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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r457652f / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.35-7.7.17.pl : Make better diagnostics for Revert use packed. - http://bit.ly/cFMSJM | 04:51 |
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| SDuensin | Blah. | 16:29 |
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| ckotil | Has tehre been any progress adding/editing/updating file assets from within the richeditor? | 18:42 |
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| carogray | hi - why and where would you use two ; in a snippet? | 21:53 |
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| carogray | that is two semicolons | 21:54 |
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| @Haarg | semicolons don't do anything special in snippets, it depends on what the snippet is used for | 21:58 |
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| @Haarg | macros are the only thing that snippets handle but they are processed pretty much the same as anywhere else in the system. | 22:00 |
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| carogray | Diona sent me (through rfe) some code for a snippet http://webgui.pastebin.com/d6ced3cc I am wondering what the double semicolons are doing | 22:04 |
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| @Haarg | the first one is part of the macro call | 22:07 |
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| @Haarg | the second is part of the query string in the link | 22:08 |
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| carogray | aha. ok thanks,I just wasn't sure. | 22:11 |
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| carogray | I need a refresher on templating language. I want to create intro txt for different variables depending on whether the variable is there or not. I have one for two variables, http://webgui.pastebin.com/m79278219, but what how do I do tmpl_if s if want it to say," if created is filled in, say 'created:'" "if updated is filled in, say 'updated:'", "if revised is filled in say, 'revised'", if deleted is filled in say, 'deleted:'" etc. so | 23:19 |
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| carogray | is this one of those things we could use tmpl expressions that someone at the WUC was talking about where we could use Case statements - vague memory.... | 23:20 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rf4d9c2c / (6 files in 6 dirs): Only users who canAdminister the parent wiki are allowed to purge revisions of a wiki page. Fixes bug #11377 - http://bit.ly/9zcBhL | 00:48 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * racc6447 / (6 files in 6 dirs): Only users who canAdminister the parent wiki are allowed to purge revisions of a wiki page. Fixes bug #11377 - http://bit.ly/aEoQG9 | 00:51 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfc9e115 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Autocommit tags created when making shortcuts in the Gallery (cross publishing). Fixes bug #11378 - http://bit.ly/d4zCwf | 03:02 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5ba8eb4 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Autocommit tags created when making shortcuts in the Gallery (cross publishing). Fixes bug #11378 - http://bit.ly/9qZ7W5 | 03:02 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r046ef0f / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm : Update POD. - http://bit.ly/c3Lo4D | 04:37 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfb49a14 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Update POD. - http://bit.ly/9ziKIE | 04:41 |
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| elnino | is there a secret in being able to search for "blog.rss" on the asset search? | 06:56 |
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| +bartjol | perlDreamer: you know whether there is a function to delete old, committed version tags to clean up tables and have a "fresh" restart? I don believe it is default functionality, but maybe you?e heard of something like it | 16:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | wgd will do it | 16:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | wgd reset --clear, perhaps? | 16:51 |
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| +bartjol | ah, cool | 16:51 |
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| +bartjol | dunno, I only have it installed on my laptop, which is at home | 16:52 |
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| +bartjol | let? use my testserver, thanks | 16:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, it is --clear | 16:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | wgd reset --clear | 16:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | or wgd reset -d will also do it, since -d is --backup --clear --debug --upgrade --uploads | 16:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | but it will nuke everything below /home | 16:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh -d also has --import | 16:55 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:55 |
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| +bartjol | ah, I don wanna throw everything away | 16:57 |
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| +bartjol | morning | 16:57 |
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| +bartjol | let? test a clear then | 16:58 |
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| +bartjol | grrr keyboard settings | 16:58 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rfc096d2 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm): Fix bad path to a YUI JS library. Fixes bug #11387 - http://bit.ly/9oXaPR | 16:59 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3570411 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm): Fix bad path to a YUI JS library. Fixes bug #11387 - http://bit.ly/d2JjVt | 16:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | Hey, SD. | 16:59 |
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| +bartjol | mm that clear options sounds rigorous, I don wanna remove content. glad that I rtfm'd | 17:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | bartjol, there's always Manage Committed Version Tags, from the Version Tags admin console option | 17:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | tha will let you delete committed content, too | 17:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | but only one at a time | 17:16 |
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| +bartjol | mm and you have to check each version tag, whether it has got the newest version, and then have to preserve that | 17:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | they're listed in order of commit date, so just from top down | 17:20 |
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| +bartjol | I I think I explained incorrectly. I wanna freeze the site as is (so keeping all current content and open version tags), but remove old versions of assets | 17:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh... | 17:23 |
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| +bartjol | this function clears to much | 17:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm | 17:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | have a look at wgd reset --purge | 17:24 |
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| +bartjol | the purge sounds nice, it calls purge_old_revisions, but I also can call you Sue | 17:24 |
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| +bartjol | let? read some code | 17:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | you can call me Betty, and I'll call you Al | 17:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | although, given current circumstances, I'd probably call you Bob the Builder | 17:28 |
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| +bartjol | mmm | 17:28 |
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| +bartjol | did make some water piping, put it all in the wall and covered the holes up again this weekend | 17:28 |
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| +bartjol | so more tiling coming up soon | 17:29 |
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| SDuensin | perlDreamer: Thanks. Now that is stuck in my head. | 17:35 |
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| +bartjol | I have some tools against that SDuensin, crowbars, sledgehammers, etc | 17:36 |
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| +bartjol | I? not threatening, I want to help you | 17:36 |
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| SDuensin | Me too - Radio Margaritaville! | 17:37 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r4089e39 / t/Asset/permissions.t : Peel out permissions testing from t/Asset/Asset.t into a separate test. - http://bit.ly/bryOCR | 18:17 |
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| chatito28 | Good morning i have a quick question, my site get really stop at ramdom times, the only way to speed it up to normal when this happens is by restarting all modperl service, does anybody has any ideas? | 18:58 |
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| chatito28 | i have tweak the modperl.conf to add more servers | 18:58 |
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| chatito28 | i see no errors or nothing that can give me any hints | 18:59 |
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| ckotil | Any progress on mounting a network drive to your PC then drag and drop assets into webgui? | 19:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | ckotil, that would be WGFS, and it just needs a programmer to take the prototype code and finish it | 19:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | chatito28, adding more servers won't always help, especially if you run out of memory | 19:10 |
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| * perlDreamer heads to the gym, and will be back later | 19:11 |
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| chatito28 | perldreamer i would understand that but i have more than enough memory plus when i check the current use when this event happens and it's got plenty to use. | 19:35 |
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| chatito28 | i made a change in modperl.conf as instructed by tech support by should i make the change in modproxy.conf as well? | 19:42 |
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| ckotil | perlDreamer: Interesting. is the prototype code available to public on teh dev site? | 19:46 |
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| @Haarg | ckotil, http://github.com/plainblack/wgfs | 19:48 |
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| @Haarg | chatito28, making a similar change the modproxy config is unlikely to have any effect | 19:48 |
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| ckotil | thanks | 19:53 |
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| ckotil | i hackishly did something similiar a while ago. apache webdav + cronjob to import assets. the resulting implementation wasn't fast enough for people to use | 19:54 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 21:24 |
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| SquOnk | Typo in sbin/userImport "overriden" | 21:24 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Typo in sbin/userImport "overriden" | 21:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, surely someone with git access could fix that? :) | 22:36 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6b90610 / sbin/userImport.pl : Fix POD typo - http://bit.ly/cVj7Zi | 22:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | so it turns out that if you have a dataform on a Page, that it serves up the same CAPTCHA multiple times | 23:45 |
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| @preaction | nice | 23:46 |
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| @preaction | i will work on bugs, but i have to do support first | 23:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I don't see any way around it, without compromising the Slashdot/burst protection | 23:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | you have to instanciate all the assets in order to query them | 23:47 |
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| dionak | perlDreamer, I see you expanded the SiteIndex test. Thanks for getting that feature incorporated into core. | 01:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | you're welcome. The SiteIndex should not be displaying hidden pages | 01:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | by default, anyway | 01:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | and using the config file like you suggested is a nice way to grandfather in the old behavior | 01:09 |
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| @Haarg | i wish mod_rewrite would let you return specific http codes instead of just some of them | 01:09 |
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| dionak | i'm glad that worked out. how did you do on your recent campaign to get some help with writing tests? | 01:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | Luke Robinson from the UK has written several. | 01:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | Bart Jol wrote a couple | 01:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | I gave away about 5000 karma in December and January | 01:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | but earned it all back doing forum postings and bug fixes | 01:11 |
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| dionak | you probably have a lot. ;) | 01:11 |
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| dionak | plenty enough to give some away | 01:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | would you like to earn some? :) | 01:11 |
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| dionak | I thought I was earning it already. ;) | 01:12 |
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| dionak | I'd like to say yes but it doesn't look like I'm going to have any spare time in the near future. We're looking to add a developer these days and I'm working on internet marketing in addition to other duties. | 01:13 |
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| dionak | Btw, did I tell you the site you helped us with is live? | 01:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | No, that's great! | 01:14 |
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| dionak | www.mcpolymers.com | 01:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | I still think rap music when I read that | 01:14 |
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| dionak | the application and market pages are driven by Thingy | 01:14 |
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| dionak | lol | 01:14 |
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| dionak | you just dated yourself. | 01:14 |
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| dionak | as did I | 01:15 |
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| dionak | Back to tests, I just keep submitted as I have been...as I'm working on something | 01:16 |
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| dionak | I have our developers do the same | 01:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | I've been working on WebGUI 8, and the tests have been invaluable | 01:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | they also point out that there's still a lot of untested code in the core | 01:19 |
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| dionak | It's helpful to have examples, from this point of view, so we can create tests and submit. | 01:22 |
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| dionak | Generally, I'm basing tests on what is already in the codebase. | 01:22 |
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| dionak | btw, carogrey is using a package I made out of some code for a site. Basically, it's a 'send to a friend' email feature. Is that a feature in WebGUI atm? She's exposed an issue that occurs when the PageTitle macro is called in admin mode. It returns a href instead of the page title. | 01:23 |
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| dionak | I'm wondering if that package is now a feature. | 01:24 |
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| dionak | As a content manager, she's loving the feature. | 01:25 |
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| @preaction | dionak: post it as an RFE if it's not already, if you guys can do it we can put it in 7.9 | 01:25 |
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| dionak | k | 01:26 |
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| dionak | any idea why the page title returns a href tho? | 01:27 |
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| dionak | there's already a RFE. http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10969 | 01:30 |
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| dionak | Should I reopen or create a new one? | 01:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | I read that RFE, and I don't understand what the problem is | 01:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | it sounds like there are different problems | 01:35 |
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| @preaction | probably because it's a retarded macro | 01:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | in one, PageTitle returns an href whenever an op or func is active | 01:35 |
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| dionak | yes, which is odd considering the name of the macro | 01:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | and in the other one, she wants some kind of email this page to a friend feature | 01:36 |
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| @preaction | and of course the code has no reason WHY it's returned as a link, so we can't fix it | 01:36 |
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| @preaction | ... | 01:36 |
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| @preaction | i can't wait for WebGUI 9 | 01:36 |
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| dionak | 9? | 01:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | why not change it in 7.9? | 01:37 |
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| @preaction | yes, the one after 8 where i get to change everything to do exactly what I want it to do | 01:37 |
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| dionak | lol | 01:37 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: because I don't know why it is the way it is | 01:37 |
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| @preaction | someone must be relying on this behavior, or had at one point | 01:37 |
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| @preaction | for some people who write webgui code, documentation is to explain what, but never why | 01:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's from 2002 | 01:38 |
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| @preaction | i don't need to know what, the code tells me what | 01:38 |
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| @preaction | which means for 8 years people have been relying on this feature. if we "fix" it, people will consider their code that broke a bug | 01:39 |
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| dionak | this is why tests are so critical. | 01:39 |
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| dionak | not to mention "why" in documentation. you have a good point there | 01:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | it guess it's a nice feature for using in an email, since that's usually handled by an op or func | 01:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | but I would guess that no one uses that feature | 01:40 |
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| @preaction | we can't guess | 01:40 |
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| @preaction | if we were guessing, i'd agree. it's an esoteric and completely useless feature | 01:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | it would be nice to have more "why" and less "how and what" in our POD | 01:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | dionak++ | 01:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | dionak: would ^Page('title'); work instead of ^PageTitle(); ? | 01:47 |
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| dionak | yes, that would help in this case | 01:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | that only ever returns the title, without any of the funny href business | 01:48 |
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| dionak | would you like me to make an RFE for that? | 01:48 |
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| @preaction | for which? | 01:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | for changing the behavior of the PageTitle macro, or for putting in an Send this Page's URL to a friend | 01:51 |
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| @preaction | for the documentation thing, well, you're not going to change the dozen devs we have with an RFE | 01:52 |
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| dionak | for passing in the string title to the PageTitle macro to change the behavior (return just the title). | 01:53 |
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| @preaction | ugh. ugh ugh ugh. | 01:53 |
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| dionak | it still doesn't address the long term issue | 01:53 |
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| @preaction | i say new RFE: Remove the PageTitle macro | 01:53 |
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| dionak | but it would address the current issue | 01:53 |
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| dionak | lo | 01:53 |
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| dionak | l | 01:53 |
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| dionak | let's not. ;) | 01:53 |
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| dionak | it's very useful. | 01:54 |
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| @preaction | i mean, we have ^Page("title"); works fine | 01:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | and in TT, we could even have page.title | 01:54 |
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| @preaction | indeed | 01:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | and then we can do page.session.db.dbh.write('delete from myDatabase') | 01:55 |
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| @preaction | in TT i have plans to phase out macros completely for an alternative, but later | 01:55 |
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| @preaction | yeah, not that | 01:55 |
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| @preaction | DO YOU NOT TRUST ME? | 01:55 |
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| dionak | oh, so I just need to change to Page('title') | 01:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:55 |
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| @preaction | no altering anything permanent in templates | 01:55 |
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| @preaction | bad juju | 01:55 |
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| @preaction | and if you need a SQL query, we have SQLReport, included via [INCLUDE assetId(whatever)] | 01:56 |
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| dionak | ok, i'll try that tomorrow. In the sql report, would params still be passed through? | 01:57 |
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| @preaction | in my perfect world, no | 01:58 |
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| dionak | hm. | 01:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | why not, preaction? | 01:58 |
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| dionak | we would need someway to pass them. | 01:58 |
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| @preaction | because form params are for the page you're currently on | 01:58 |
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| dionak | the sql report would be on that page, no? | 01:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think he means Page Layout, versus SQL Report | 01:58 |
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| @preaction | right, i mean like how AssetProxy works, like on a style template | 01:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's back to the Asset focus debate | 01:59 |
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| @preaction | right | 01:59 |
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| @preaction | the pn=3 problem | 01:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | exactly | 01:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | which is why we now have really ugly pn query param names | 02:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | people want the Page Layout to "frame" content transparently, instead of including it | 02:00 |
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| @preaction | but people also want to include content and have form parameters affect it | 02:00 |
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| @preaction | yay! | 02:00 |
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| dionak | i see your challenge | 02:01 |
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| @preaction | heh, that's an EASY challenge: one people get what they want, other do not. | 02:01 |
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| dionak | yes, i see. not passing params would break some of our sites. | 02:02 |
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| dionak | like midwest heart | 02:02 |
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| dionak | but if there was an alternative, it could be implemented. | 02:02 |
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| dionak | part of our challenge is avoiding having to create many pages for a functionality. | 02:03 |
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| dionak | it increases costs | 02:03 |
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| dionak | that's one of the benefits we are receiving from params being passed through | 02:03 |
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| dionak | benefit = reduced development cost | 02:03 |
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| dionak | but that might be minimal depending on the details. will have to give it some thought. | 02:04 |
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| @preaction | again in my perfect world it would be easier to develop for webgui, as it would all be based on a common Perl ORM (DBIx::Class) and there would be helper methods that could take queries and build templates for you | 02:04 |
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| @preaction | i've started this project at http://github.com/preaction/modern-webgui | 02:05 |
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| dionak | i'm struck by the very few requirements | 02:06 |
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| dionak | is that just b/c it is newly created? | 02:06 |
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| @preaction | well, it also requires WebGUI | 02:06 |
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| @preaction | those are just the extra requirements | 02:07 |
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| @preaction | but as i reimplement the rest of the webgui stack, i imagine many requirements will go away | 02:07 |
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| dionak | 'just' is always a red flag for me. ;) | 02:07 |
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| @preaction | mainly because templates aren't a plugin point anymore, and other stuff. using best-of-breed stuff to do things (because they didn't exist when webgui was initially created) | 02:08 |
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| dionak | i'll be interested to hear what you discover. are you doing this on your own or as part of PB R&D? | 02:08 |
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| @preaction | personal project, which is why it's taking so long | 02:09 |
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| @preaction | i've got an almost-reimplemented WebGUI asset | 02:09 |
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| @preaction | it's just got a couple bugs before it can be released | 02:09 |
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| @preaction | but it's compatible with 7.x and when 8.x is released it will be compatible with that too | 02:09 |
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| dionak | interesting.. | 02:09 |
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| @preaction | that or there will be a WebGUI::Content handler to load WebGUIx::Assets | 02:09 |
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| dionak | it's getting late here. Thanks for the conversation and pointer. Talk to you guys soon. | 02:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | time for me to cook dinner, bbiaw for 7.8 release | 02:16 |
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| @preaction | and why in nether hell do we have a PerlSetVar WebguiRoot in the apache config IF IT IS NOT USED IN preload.perl? | 02:56 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra42b7dd / t/Asset/WikiPage/permissions.t : Turn off notifications for the test. - http://bit.ly/9RbhVP | 04:01 |
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| elnino | no no no! | 05:49 |
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| elnino | I had a style sheet, that I was reordering so it was at the top, and then it's order number became "null" and I thought, if I cut it, and paste it back it would get a "order number" and now it's gone from existance.... | 05:50 |
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| elnino | if I edit it, it's in lala land. Not even under root. | 06:06 |
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| elnino | now I can't even add anything to that folder.. If I reindex..... what would happened? | 06:09 |
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| @preaction | elnino: if you "rebuildLineage.pl" (from /data/WebGUI/sbin) it should fix it | 06:23 |
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| elnino | k I'll try that. I've always reordered things before, I'm a bit surprised this happened. Of course, I can probably never duplicate it either. | 06:24 |
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| elnino | thanks preaction, I'll try it soon here... | 06:24 |
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| elnino | pretty small groups online lately. Is there a holiday going on that I'm missing? | 06:28 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r636d539 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.8.11 release. - http://bit.ly/cLPuuh | 06:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, I think people are too busy to hang out on IRC | 06:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino, did you see the post on the etc forum from the guy wanting help making a webgui site? | 06:32 |
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| elnino | no. | 06:32 |
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| elnino | I"ll look though. Thanks perlDreamer! | 06:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/forums/design/under-the-gun---help-needed#idotMeSy3AtaomBcII2jnSNg | 06:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | not etc, design | 06:34 |
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| elnino | hmm. is there a way to email this person? I really don't want to put my email up either.. =( | 06:37 |
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| elnino | oh never mind. found the private messaging. | 06:38 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re3cbb27 / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : Fix typo in module name. - http://bit.ly/dqmlHb | 06:39 |
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| elnino | oh this is sad.. I ran the reindex. The style sheet is in my clipboard, and when I try to paste, it barfs. | 06:45 |
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| * elnino looks at log files. | 06:45 |
| +perlDreamer | good idea :) | 06:46 |
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| elnino | nothing.. weird. | 06:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | what's the log level? | 06:48 |
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| elnino | error. | 06:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | might need to set it to warn, or info and try again | 06:48 |
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| elnino | I finally split up all my log files so that I could see better. | 06:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | which version? | 06:48 |
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| elnino | 7.7.28 | 06:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's pretty new | 06:49 |
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| elnino | well, now I have a fatal.. setting logs to warn gives me fatal errors? or there must be a delay in reporting.... | 06:51 |
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| elnino | WebGUI::SQL::ResultSet::execute[137] - Couldn't execute prepared statement: update asset set state='published', stateChangedBy='DQAOfECMOVnAVP6wbu07Lw', stateChanged=1265172620 where assetId in () : With place holders: . Root cause: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ')' at line 1 | 06:51 |
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| elnino | weird, and I have now a bunch of warns from past dates.. - is that what is supposed to happen>? | 06:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, that's not supposed to happen | 06:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | and that happens when you try to paste the style template | 06:53 |
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| elnino | then I'm defaintely seeing things. | 06:53 |
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| elnino | it's a snippet. And it stops in the middle of "pasting style.css" in the asset manager. (does that make sense?) | 06:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 06:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's the Progress Bar screen | 06:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | that error is coming from publish sub, it shouldn't ever happen | 06:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | there should be at least 1 assetId (self) | 06:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, okay, maybe there's a bad condition | 06:59 |
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| elnino | I wish I could duplicate it. | 07:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | you can't? | 07:00 |
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| elnino | no.. | 07:00 |
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| elnino | it was weird. | 07:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | so it did paste in the end | 07:00 |
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| elnino | nope, it's still in the clipboard forever. | 07:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | can you cut and paste it again? | 07:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah, if it's still in the clipboard we can find and fix it | 07:01 |
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| elnino | yes, I made a copy of it when it was in lala land. | 07:01 |
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| elnino | I can just delete it at this point. I made a new one. | 07:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah, okay | 07:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | you might be able to delete it | 07:01 |
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| elnino | that worked. | 07:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | cool | 07:02 |
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| elnino | yeah, that was just a weird scenario - I wish I could duplicate it and create a bug report for you. =) | 07:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | for this one, we'd have to fix it on your site | 07:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | a bug report wouldn't help much | 07:03 |
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| elnino | I can tell you some of what happend. | 07:03 |
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| elnino | well, I hope other things aren't hosed. It started off when I copied the webgui blank style template | 07:04 |
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| elnino | which gave me a prefetch request body failed error | 07:04 |
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| elnino | since I have your attention. =) | 07:06 |
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| elnino | how do I get rid of Could not create workflow instance for workflowId 'pbworkflow000000000007' errors? | 07:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | restart spectre | 07:06 |
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| elnino | I'll wrte a wiki... It seems I get these alot. | 07:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | we can't find out what causes that bug | 07:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's very frustrating | 07:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | all 4 of us have worked on it for many months | 07:07 |
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| elnino | I'll write a wiki anyway. =) | 07:07 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc3aa44a / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.8.12 development. - http://bit.ly/d1r2lq | 07:16 |
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| elnino | so I did restart spectre. two of my sites aren't "connecting" but I did a diff on the conf file, and am not seeing anything | 07:27 |
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| elnino | I obviously have a typo somewhere.. Couldn't fetch Spectre configuration data : malformed JSON string, neither array, object, number, string or atom, at character offset 1 ["<html>n<head>n<title..."] at ../lib/Spectre/Admin.pm line 158. | 07:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | yup | 07:28 |
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| elnino | I'm getting a \ No newline at end of file when I do a diff. | 07:29 |
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| elnino | what's that supposed to mea? they look correct. | 07:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | missing newline isn't a problem | 07:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | spectre configuration data is data sent from WebGUI to Spectre when it starts up | 07:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | try starting spectre by hand, with the --debug on and pipe the output into a file to look at | 07:30 |
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| * perlDreamer needs to crash out. | 07:31 |
| +perlDreamer | see you all tomorrow | 07:31 |
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| ozysimpson | hello all in the process of installing webgui for the first time | 08:35 |
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| ozysimpson | on a centos machine :-) keeping my fingers crossed | 08:35 |
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| carogray | I have a question about URLs and domains - having to do with those a records and m records etc. anyone here who can answer that kind of question? | 15:54 |
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| ckotil | a records and mx rexcords? | 15:58 |
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| ckotil | DNS question. I can try to answer it, and im sure someone else will know the answer in here. | 15:58 |
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| +bartjol | carogray: what is your question? | 16:12 |
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| carogray | ah thanks | 16:12 |
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| carogray | um.. you can have old.masslegalhelp.org go to one server, and www.masslegalhelp.org go to another server i.e. PlainBlack, but | 16:13 |
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| carogray | can you have www.masslegalhelp.org/apply-for-services be hosted on a different server than all other pages or does it have to be apply.masslegahelp.org? | 16:14 |
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| carogray | this isn't actually for our site. i want to host some unique pages for other domains on our server. | 16:14 |
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| carogray | ckotil: sorry didn't see you responded | 16:15 |
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| ckotil | you will have to add a redirect to www.masslegalhelp.org/apply-for-services redirecting you to apply.masslegalheop.org; but only iff apply.mass.legalhelp.org is on another server. | 16:26 |
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| ckotil | if they were the same server, you could still use a redirect, but mod_rewrite is more elegant. | 16:27 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:28 |
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| +bartjol | ah, I see ckot* covers my absence | 16:31 |
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| ckotil | i just hope i didnt confuse carogray :) | 16:33 |
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| carogray | I think my question is not clear. | 16:34 |
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| ckotil | you can have www.masslegalheolp.org/any-unique-url-here | 16:35 |
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| carogray | I want to put a unique not-a-domain-name-we-have page on our plainblack server | 16:35 |
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| carogray | I think your latest answer is the unique part can only come BEFORE the domain name, not after? | 16:36 |
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| carogray | Redirects aren't really the issue | 16:36 |
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| +bartjol | well, if you want another server running stuff, you'll need another subdomain | 16:37 |
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| ckotil | if you own masslegalhelp.org you can have anything 'before' (which are subdomains) or 'after' (just part of the URL) | 16:37 |
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| carogray | so I wanted to host the MassJusticeProject form so people could apply for services, whilst MassJusticeProject website is on some other server I can only have apply.massjusticeproject.org on PlainBlack server, but not massjusticeproject.org/apply | 16:38 |
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| carogray | MassJusticeProject.org is already a website on some other server somewhere | 16:38 |
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| carogray | they own it, they can direct it, but what is physically possible? | 16:39 |
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| ckotil | correct. they can point apply.massjusticeproject.org to your plainblack server | 16:39 |
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| ckotil | OR redirect to your domain via massjusticeproject.org/apply | 16:39 |
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| carogray | yes, but in the latter case the user would end up at Masslegalhelp.org/massjusticeproject-apply or something | 16:40 |
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| ckotil | i dunno if PB supports multiple subdomains for a site. bartjol would have to answer that. | 16:40 |
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| ckotil | carogray: yes they would, so that is less than ideal. yet another option is to use mod_proxy | 16:40 |
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| ckotil | but that gets kind of indepth, and would require a little more work on massjusticeproject's part. | 16:40 |
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| carogray | ok - have no idea what mod_proxy is | 16:40 |
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| ckotil | basically you go to their domain/url, and their webserver goes to your site, gets the content, and serves it to the user. so it looks like they are still at massjusticeproject.org | 16:41 |
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| carogray | perhaps they can live with apply.massjusticeproject.org ... and perhaps PlainBlack - I am pretty sure they | 16:41 |
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| carogray | oops aah Isee | 16:41 |
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| ckotil | so you have a few options | 16:42 |
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| carogray | I suspect there is noone over there who has the technical knowhow to do mod_proxy... is that only a webgui thing or is it a web thing? | 16:42 |
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| ckotil | its an apache thing. i expect IIS to have a simlliar feature as well | 16:42 |
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| carogray | hmmm - well that's all very helpful I will let them know and see what they want to do. | 16:43 |
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| carogray | thanks so much. | 16:43 |
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| ckotil | glad to help | 16:44 |
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| +bartjol | voor bartjol2.nl en de is_alive jetser zijn er wel andere logs btw, voor die tweede wist je het al, maar dan weet je het | 17:25 |
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| +bartjol | oops | 17:25 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * re4e6b84 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm : Begin to convert Event to Moose. - http://bit.ly/ciN4ue | 17:36 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r4f8ff01 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm : Begin copying labels over from the event edit template into the Moose definition. - http://bit.ly/9r9kUU | 17:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | bbiab | 17:45 |
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| +MrHairgrease | bbiab? | 17:45 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh | 17:45 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i get it | 17:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | had to drop the kids off at school | 18:09 |
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| +MrHairgrease | did it hurt? | 18:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | not me :) | 18:10 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ofcourse | 18:10 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that's the order of things | 18:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | Did you ever figure out how to get magical default methods for Moose, MrHairgrease? | 18:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh yeah i found something that did work | 18:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but I still don't like it much | 18:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hang on | 18:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'll see if I can find it again | 18:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m37b7211e | 18:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I borked my perl install over here | 18:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so I'm not sure if this was the actual working example | 18:17 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but the general idea is there | 18:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | I thought only Swedish people could bork things | 18:18 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I have a Swedish colleague at Mapper | 18:18 |
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| +MrHairgrease | doesn't that count for something? | 18:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | he must have taught you well ;) | 18:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | he probably did | 18:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | I had some problems with self referencing code inside of around blocks, so be careful | 18:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | although he started only two days ago | 18:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 18:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'm not gonna use it at all | 18:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | at least for the time being | 18:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'll just stick to my Chart::Magick::Definition | 18:21 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I need a good method name | 18:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | what does the method do? | 18:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the method in question tells whether or not datapoints that are out of axis range can actually be drawn | 18:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so for instance on an x-y graph | 18:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the answer is no for both axes | 18:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but on a polar coordinate system the answer is yes for the angle | 18:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | does it check each datapoint, or does it tell you whether or not there are any? | 18:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no it just tells the chart plugin whether it should try to rdraw points out of range at all | 18:28 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it just for speedup | 18:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | drawOutOfRange | 18:28 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the chart plugin does the range checking if it feel like it | 18:28 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hmm maybe | 18:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | canDrawOutOfRange | 18:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I was thinking more in the lines of handlesOutOfRange | 18:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah that's better | 18:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I think I'll use that one then | 18:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | I like handles, too | 18:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | who doesn't =) | 18:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | do you know how to use git to display a file in another branch, without switching to that branch? | 18:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | short answer: | 18:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no | 18:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | =) | 18:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | maybe it on google? | 18:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | or did you already try that | 18:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | I am now that I've been let down | 18:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but why not switch to the other branch | 18:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ? | 18:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have uncommitted work, and I'm too lazy to use git stash or git commit | 18:33 |
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| +MrHairgrease | wow, | 18:33 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that's real lazy =) | 18:33 |
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| +MrHairgrease | how's the impatience and hubris coming along? | 18:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm developing hubris along 2 axes right now | 18:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I'm loaded with impatience | 18:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | that comes from having kids | 18:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I see | 18:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | git show REVISION:path/to/file.pm | 18:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ah ok | 18:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but then you need a hash right? | 18:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | or can you do something like other_branch:HEAD | 18:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | I did git show-refs --head | 18:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | which told me the rev for head | 18:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | master:HEAD:path/to/file would have been great | 18:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | I need to sit and read the git user manual some time | 18:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe I'll do that before I go running, pick up the kids, clean the house and make dinner | 18:38 |
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| +MrHairgrease | what? | 18:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no dishes? | 18:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's part of cleaning the house | 18:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | right | 18:41 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no pets? | 18:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | they clean themselves | 18:42 |
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| +MrHairgrease | may you'll have to feed them? | 18:42 |
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| +MrHairgrease | maybe* | 18:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | nope, that's the kid's job | 18:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | sometimes, I delegate cleaning the house to the kids | 18:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | but that doesn't help with the impatience | 18:42 |
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| +MrHairgrease | delegation is a good thing | 18:42 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I read so in the Moose docs | 18:43 |
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| +MrHairgrease | =) | 18:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | I need to override a Moose attribute to be read only | 18:47 |
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| +MrHairgrease | use the + notation | 18:48 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so has +overrideProp ( is => 'ro' ) | 18:49 |
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| +MrHairgrease | er | 18:49 |
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| +MrHairgrease | has '+overrideProp' ( is => 'ro' ) | 18:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | you can't override "is" | 18:50 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh | 18:50 |
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| +MrHairgrease | then you're out of luck i think | 18:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think I'll try our perennial favorite, around | 18:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | from what I seeing, it's almost never required to override update anymore | 18:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | you only have to override individual properties | 18:52 |
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| +MrHairgrease | cool, I learned a new word today! | 18:53 |
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| +MrHairgrease | thanks | 18:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | new word? | 18:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | perennial? | 18:54 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no, 'our' | 18:54 |
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| +MrHairgrease | =) | 18:54 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it was perennial indeed | 18:55 |
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| @Haarg | <perlDreamer> master:HEAD:path/to/file would have been great | 20:50 |
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| @Haarg | what would you have wanted that to show you? | 20:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | I was working in static_definition, which is very old compared to master | 20:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I need to do some recent i18n lookups | 20:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | we never got around to merging last week | 20:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | master:HEAD:lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm | 20:53 |
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| @Haarg | any time git wants a revision, you can give it a symbolic revision | 20:53 |
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| @Haarg | so git show master:lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm | 20:53 |
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| @Haarg | or git show master^:lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm for the parent revision of master | 20:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | the other one didn't work, with HEAD | 20:54 |
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| @Haarg | HEAD is just another symbolic reference | 20:54 |
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| @Haarg | there isn't really anything you could refer to as master:HEAD | 20:55 |
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| @Haarg | http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-rev-parse.html | 20:56 |
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| @Haarg | goes through all the ways to specify revisions | 20:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | and they say regular expressions are hard... | 21:00 |
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| @Haarg | yeah, lots of complex options | 21:01 |
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| @Haarg | but usually the useful ones are adding ^ to the end of a rev to specify the parent | 21:02 |
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| @Haarg | or multiple ^s | 21:02 |
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| Socrates | and drinks it | 22:44 |
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| doc777 | Hello friends! I am fixing to build a new webgui server and currently plan to use ubuntu server 8.04 LTS ( Migrating from gentoo ). Will WebGUI get along with x64 or should I stick with x32? | 00:15 |
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| @Haarg | i've seen it used on a 64bit system using the 32bit wre. we haven't had much luck getting the wre to compile on 64bit, but it that was done WebGUI itself would work fine. | 00:16 |
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| doc777 | I plan to use the wre this time. | 00:16 |
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| @Haarg | if you use the 32bit wre as far as i know everything should work fine | 00:17 |
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| doc777 | The server only has 4 gig of ram so I am not sure what I would be gaining by using the x64. Possibly speed but this machine will only be running webgui. Do you think it would be worth the hassle to go x64? | 00:18 |
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| @Haarg | given the amount of ram and the fact that you would be using 32 binaries as well, it seems unlikely there would be any advantage of going to 64bit. but i don't think it would be a significant hassle either. | 00:19 |
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| doc777 | Thank you Haarg :o) | 00:20 |
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| @preaction | so i need to populate an ldap server with about 1000 users. anyone have suggestions on where i can find 1000 names in a simple format? | 00:44 |
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| @Haarg | just first names? | 00:45 |
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| @preaction | doesn't matter really, it will be for webgui's recursive group thing | 00:45 |
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| @Haarg | http://www.cs.princeton.edu/introcs/data/names.csv | 00:45 |
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| @preaction | perfect, thanks | 00:46 |
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| elnino | lookin gat modperl logs, what does the vague "Expected token not present" supposed to mean? I'm not using cookies, as the forum mentions. | 02:00 |
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| @preaction | someone could be trying to access the site with an improperly formatted wgSession cookie | 02:04 |
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| elnino | oh ok. | 02:06 |
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| elnino | could that be caused by the fact that my site resdes at two domains, and the links all go towards the one of two domains? | 02:14 |
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| perlDreamer1 | no, the cookie contents are bad. | 02:16 |
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| elnino | I don't set cookies. | 02:16 |
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| perlDreamer1 | WebGUI does | 02:16 |
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| perlDreamer1 | for authentication | 02:16 |
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| elnino | so is that a bug? | 02:16 |
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| perlDreamer1 | no | 02:16 |
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| perlDreamer1 | you need to show that WebGUI is setting the cookie badly | 02:16 |
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| perlDreamer1 | and it needs to be repeatable | 02:17 |
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| elnino | I get it in my log file all the time... =) | 02:17 |
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| @preaction | are users reporting problems? | 02:17 |
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| elnino | no. | 02:17 |
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| @preaction | then it's just informational, it means that mod_perl is preventing someone from doing something bad | 02:18 |
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| * elnino wonders when an error is an error then in a log file. =) | 02:19 |
| @preaction | take a 404 for example. could've been someone screwing around. could've been a broken link, but until the user reports there's a problem, we don't know what it is | 02:20 |
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| elnino | yeah, that one is really frustrating in the logs. | 02:21 |
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| elnino | masked urls really mess things up when your user sets them up and they don't tell you. grr. | 02:26 |
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| elnino | there was a wg site setup and then they changed the domain to point to another, so I have tis unused site that can't resolve itself. =( | 02:31 |
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| elnino | hmm. http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/tip_for_running_webgui_on_a_shared_hosting_environment/tip_for_running_webgui_on_a_shared_hosting_environment probably should be taken down. or maybe it's true? | 02:41 |
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| @preaction | it's 5 years old. CGI WebGUI doesn't work anymore | 02:42 |
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| elnino | do I write up a bug or rfe to remove it? | 02:43 |
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| @preaction | you could just reply to it mentioning that it's no longer valid | 02:43 |
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| elnino | ok. but hopefully it doesn't bring attention to it now. | 02:48 |
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| elnino | anyone know who's site is http://www.valuecms.com/ - they used to do webgui hosting? their site is complely hosed | 02:49 |
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| elnino | apparently someone in egypt | 02:52 |
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| perlDreamer1 | Ehab Haikal | 02:53 |
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| perlDreamer1 | I think the last name is spelled correctly | 02:53 |
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| @preaction | elnino: though there is a new way to run WebGUI under CGI, patspam came up with it | 02:58 |
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| @preaction | http://blog.patspam.com/2009/plebgui-webgui-meets-plack | 02:58 |
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| elnino | yahoo for patspam!!!! | 03:02 |
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| +patspam | woo! | 03:02 |
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| +patspam | hey elnino :) | 03:03 |
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| elnino | I just read your post that preaction sent me: http://blog.patspam.com/2009/plebgui-webgui-meets-plack | 03:03 |
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| +patspam | ah! | 03:03 |
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| elnino | yahoo!! I say again! | 03:03 |
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| +patspam | plack is an awesome new development in the perl web world | 03:04 |
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| @preaction | indeed | 03:04 |
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| @preaction | if i have my way wg9 will be completely placked | 03:04 |
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| @preaction | i like when i read a piece of code and can't tell if i wrote it or not because it's properly formatted and follows best practices ;) | 03:06 |
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| perlDreamer1 | thanks ;) | 03:06 |
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| @preaction | you wrote the test DN update from LDAP? | 03:07 |
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| perlDreamer1 | yup | 03:07 |
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| @preaction | ... but how did you know that's what i was looking at? | 03:07 |
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| @preaction | WHERE ARE YOU? | 03:07 |
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| @preaction | IS THE CALL COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE? | 03:07 |
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| perlDreamer1 | well, I really thought you were still looking at the group code | 03:07 |
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| perlDreamer1 | but I've written so much of WebGUI that it's a fair guess | 03:07 |
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| @preaction | true | 03:07 |
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| perlDreamer1 | of course, that also explains all the bugs and poor performance | 03:07 |
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| @preaction | but no, i'm writing a test for this thing | 03:08 |
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| +patspam | heh not way, that's the code that the rest of us write | 03:08 |
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| perlDreamer1 | the original code was from either cap10morgan or mducharme(mducharme-work) | 03:08 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rc0e78ab / lib/WebGUI/User.pm : Check for a valid group before using it. - http://bit.ly/bI3t9c | 03:11 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb6a8a72 / t/Macro.t : Add a few more Macro tests for unquoted arguments, and dangling commas. - http://bit.ly/bKVf8d | 03:11 |
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| perlDreamer1 | Moose is so awesome | 03:12 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rcb5144f / lib/WebGUI/User.pm : Check for a valid group before using it. - http://bit.ly/96lBCP | 03:12 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0171743 / t/Macro.t : Add a few more Macro tests for unquoted arguments, and dangling commas. - http://bit.ly/aJ3tGF | 03:12 |
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| perlDreamer1 | After converting a bunch of assets over to it, I'm reasonably sure that we'll never need to override update | 03:12 |
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| perlDreamer1 | we can do it all with method modifiers | 03:13 |
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| @preaction | word | 03:14 |
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| @preaction | okay, i officially have no idea how LDAP groups work | 03:34 |
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| perlDreamer1 | in WebGUI,or LDAP? | 03:41 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r58944a4 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm : Update Event to use Moose accessors. - http://bit.ly/bA6GnX | 03:45 |
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| @preaction | in LDAP | 03:46 |
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| @preaction | it helps if i knew how to define a group in LDAP | 03:46 |
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| perlDreamer1 | mducharme, mducharme-work: are you around this evening in the flesh, by chance? | 03:47 |
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| @preaction | WTF is the point of an Organizational Unit if it cannot also be a groupOfNames? | 03:48 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r0d8fd28 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm : Fix a typo with extending isHidden. - http://bit.ly/9f8WVa | 03:54 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r76ce6f7 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Calendar.pm : Some fixes for the Calendar. - http://bit.ly/aTC41V | 03:54 |
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| perlDreamer1 | I actually have some Calendar tests passing | 03:54 |
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| perlDreamer1 | son of a gun! | 03:55 |
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| perlDreamer1 | they're all passing! | 03:55 |
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| @preaction | is it the one where ok( WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Calendar->is_rewritten_from_scratch )? | 03:55 |
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| perlDreamer1 | no, like git checkout static_definition; wgd reset -d; wgd reset --config; perl t/Asset/Wobject/Calendar.t | 03:55 |
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| perlDreamer1 | t/Asset/Event.t is passing | 03:56 |
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| perlDreamer1 | and Event/permissions.t | 03:57 |
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| perlDreamer1 | not bad for a few hours work | 03:57 |
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| perlDreamer1 | If I convert Image.pm over, I might be able to start up Apache | 03:59 |
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| @preaction | woot! | 03:59 |
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| perlDreamer1 | booyah! | 03:59 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rb9c4371 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/Image.pm : Convert to Moose and Moose accessors. - http://bit.ly/ar3R1o | 04:12 |
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| @preaction | the #ldap people straightened me out: the test ldap database is organized poorly | 04:12 |
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| perlDreamer1 | do share! | 04:13 |
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| perlDreamer1 | at least update the wiki page that I hacked together | 04:13 |
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| perlDreamer1 | Image.t is passing, except for the funky annotation/rotation/crop stuff | 04:14 |
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| perlDreamer1 | apparently, I need a refresher course in Moose MRO | 04:32 |
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| perlDreamer1 | we cannot, absolutely CANNOT subclass update | 04:32 |
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| perlDreamer1 | otherwise it don't work at all | 04:32 |
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| perlDreamer1 | if we have to, we'll need to use around | 04:32 |
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| perlDreamer1 | Image.t is passing | 04:32 |
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| carogray | Well thanks to you all indirectly I guess. Diona said she found the final tweak to the email a friend or send to a friend feature I have been trying to get work for years from you all last night. | 04:33 |
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| perlDreamer1 | ^Page('title'); | 04:34 |
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| carogray | I have it on MassLegalHelp and it works perfectly so far! | 04:34 |
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| carogray | yep! | 04:34 |
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| perlDreamer1 | That has to be the best WebGUI news I've heard all day | 04:34 |
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| perlDreamer1 | I think I'll go and play tuba to celebrate | 04:35 |
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| carogray | I still need to figure out how to get it into my form and email template I think but I have been working today for hours and mybrain is busted | 04:35 |
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| carogray | Yes I think it's cause for huge celebration! | 04:35 |
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| @preaction | okay, RDN stands for Relative Distinguished Name | 04:42 |
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| @preaction | DN is Distinguished Name, think of it as the record's unique ID | 04:42 |
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| @preaction | everything in the LDAP tree has a DN, and everything except the top level has their parent in their DN | 04:43 |
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| @preaction | so o=shawshank | 04:43 |
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| @preaction | and cn=Warden,o=shawshank | 04:43 |
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| @preaction | for that, my RDN is cn=Warden | 04:43 |
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| @preaction | my DN is cn=Warden,o=shawshank | 04:43 |
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| @preaction | and my parent's DN is o=shawshank | 04:43 |
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| @preaction | SO WHY DOES WEBGUI GIVE A DIFFERENT DEFINITION TO RDN? | 04:43 |
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| @preaction | okay, so I figured out how NORMAL ldap groups work, but wtf is a Recursive Group? | 04:52 |
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| @preaction | okay, so I figured THAT out, but then how is this person's ldap groupings working AT ALL? | 04:59 |
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| mducharme | I'm here | 05:33 |
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| mducharme | what do you mean it gives a different definition to RDN, preaction? | 05:35 |
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| @preaction | in the "User RDN" field, you have to put "dn", always | 05:37 |
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| mducharme | um in current webgui versions there is no User RDN field | 05:40 |
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| mducharme | unless you mean in the user settings themselves | 05:40 |
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| mducharme | as opposed to the ldap config | 05:40 |
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| mducharme | I do not see a User RDN field in the user properties either | 05:41 |
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| mducharme | I do see another problem though | 05:42 |
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| mducharme | two parameters that are different are using the same i18n | 05:42 |
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| mducharme | so one is misnamed | 05:42 |
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| mducharme | a new i18n should be created for the matching field in the user properties | 05:43 |
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| @preaction | ah, it used to be User RDN, now it's Authentication Attribute | 05:43 |
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| @preaction | which should almost always be dn | 05:43 |
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| mducharme | yes | 05:43 |
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| mducharme | I had posted a bunch of i18n changes a while back | 05:44 |
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| mducharme | because things were using bizarre terminology | 05:44 |
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| mducharme | that user RDN was one of those | 05:44 |
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| mducharme | I missed what you are trying to do though, preaction | 05:53 |
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| mducharme | perhaps I can help | 05:53 |
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| @preaction | debugging various LDAP group stuffs | 06:04 |
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| @preaction | writing tests | 06:04 |
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| @preaction | fixing the DIT of the regression LDAP server | 06:04 |
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| mducharme | ahh.. I haven't really needed to futz too much with ldap groups in webgui... use them everywhere else though | 06:11 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:49 |
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| +bartjol | morning | 17:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | good morning, kind and benevolent webgui folk | 17:44 |
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| mducharme-work | morning perldreamer | 18:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | howdy, mducharme-work | 18:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | we had some LDAP questions for you last night, but the nice people of #ldap were able to set us straight | 18:15 |
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| mducharme-work | ok | 18:15 |
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| mducharme-work | cool | 18:15 |
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| mducharme-work | yeah I saw last night there | 18:15 |
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| mducharme-work | btw I found an i18n problem, well not really a problem | 18:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | most i18n related stuff is a bug | 18:16 |
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| mducharme-work | the ldap settings in the user account properties are exactly matching the names in the general ldap settings | 18:16 |
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| mducharme-work | when they are referring to something else and should have a different label | 18:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | didn't we accept an RFE from you to change all of those around, along with your suggested new labels? | 18:16 |
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| mducharme-work | thus the same i18n label is being used for two different settings that should have different i18n's | 18:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah | 18:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | file a bug for it along with recommendations on what they should be | 18:17 |
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| mducharme-work | ok | 18:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | bartjol loves having more translation work to do | 18:17 |
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| +bartjol | he, what? | 18:18 |
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| +bartjol | do I? | 18:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | sure, doesn't SynQ buy you a bier every time the translation hits 100%? | 18:18 |
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| +bartjol | nope | 18:18 |
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| +bartjol | he might pay my salary | 18:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's good, too | 18:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | boats, bier and tile all require salary | 18:19 |
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| mducharme-work | boy it is sure slow... | 18:24 |
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| mducharme-work | oh there we go | 18:25 |
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| mducharme-work | http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11395 | 18:25 |
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| +bartjol | well, that was intensive work: 1 entry | 18:25 |
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| +bartjol | no bugs though | 18:25 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: translation * r12436 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/WebGUIProfile.pm: Updating Dutch on translation server | 18:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm, it's also time to update the copyrights | 18:52 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * rd7767e0 / lib/WebGUI/Macro.pm : faster macro processor using perl 5.10 features - http://bit.ly/96cO4v | 21:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, how much faster is it? | 22:45 |
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| @Haarg | i don't know. benchmarked it a long time ago. | 22:45 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r2f8aff5 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm : Remove deprecated code, overriding update in Template.pm - http://bit.ly/ch7RPN | 22:52 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r5203c35 / t/Asset/Template.t : Remove test for headBlock handling. - http://bit.ly/cgHli1 | 22:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | In WebGUI 8, all forms are supposed to be automatically built | 23:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | and we have flags to say things like, don't ever build this one particular form field | 23:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | but how do you handle putting extra fields into the edit form that are not supposed to processed by the back end? | 23:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | fields like "What next?" | 23:06 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rd3e2970 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Folder.pm : Fix Folder sortOrder to be moosey. Convert to using Moose accessors. - http://bit.ly/cGB0VK | 23:07 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: depends on how Graham solves the www_editSave problem | 23:14 |
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| @preaction | also, what next sucks | 23:14 |
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| @preaction | i hate it | 23:14 |
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| @preaction | i want it to die | 23:14 |
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| * perlDreamer is tempted to play the backwards compatibility card, but I hate that one. | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | do we have two buttons then? | 23:14 |
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| @preaction | that's what WG8 is for, yay! | 23:15 |
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| @preaction | where is your what next thing? | 23:15 |
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| @preaction | and most likely yes | 23:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | In the Folder | 23:15 |
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| @preaction | oh | 23:15 |
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| @preaction | uh... | 23:15 |
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| @preaction | yeah | 23:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | also, in the DataForm | 23:15 |
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| @preaction | "Save and Add More" | 23:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | and in the Product | 23:15 |
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| @preaction | DataForm might be different, it depends on what the What's Next is being used for | 23:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | Add another field | 23:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | Add another tab | 23:15 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r86dd8ab / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm : Lots of syntax fixes, and convert to Moose accessors. - http://bit.ly/bJVHg2 | 23:27 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rb02df9f / lib/WebGUI/AssetPackage.pm : Fix importing packages. - http://bit.ly/bcEKVN | 23:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | wgd reset -d now does much more useful work in static_definition | 23:35 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r129186c / lib/WebGUI/Content/Asset.pm : Update Content/Asset for Moose and Exceptions. - http://bit.ly/abPobU | 23:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | we really don't have enough tests | 23:37 |
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| dionak | is Moose a new requirement of WG? | 23:44 |
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| dionak | I guess yes? | 23:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | it will be for wG8, dionak | 23:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | for now all is safe | 23:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | speaking of which, Haarg, preaction, will the FormBuilder branch be moved to Moose? | 23:45 |
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| dionak | for now? :) | 23:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, eventually we will release webgui 8 and Moose will be de rigeur | 23:46 |
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| dionak | i'll be expecting Moose jokes at the next WUC. | 23:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | Gooey will have large antlers this year | 23:48 |
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| dionak | haha! | 23:48 |
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| dionak | that'll make him top-heavy | 23:48 |
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| dionak | he'll have to start working out | 23:48 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: my local FormBuilder branch is moosified i believe. it's just been a while since i worked on anything | 23:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | the static_definition branch is also Moosey | 23:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think it's time to update testEnvironment.pl | 23:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | Also, tomorrow I want to grab both you and Haarg and do the long overdue merging | 23:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | I can type git merge master, but I don't think that's really what I want | 23:53 |
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| @Haarg | that's basically what is needed, but there will be a fair amount of conflict resolution to do | 23:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have children and a wife. I am an expert at conflict resolution. | 23:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | uh oh, I hope I didn't offend her with that | 23:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | be back in 30-ish | 00:02 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r019ebba / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm : Remove update override sub, and use the new Asset triggers instead. - http://bit.ly/94qBlb | 00:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | we have successful upgrade scripts in wg8 now | 01:13 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r6702f07 / (2 files): Fix upgrade scripts to work with wg8. - http://bit.ly/95t2VB | 01:13 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * ra9f46c7 / lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm : More wg8 constructors in AssetVersioning. - http://bit.ly/9BL9s7 | 01:32 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r722bad7 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Layout.pm : Change to moose methods. Need to be on the lookout for getValue calls. - http://bit.ly/bpR6cE | 01:38 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * racff13a / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SyndicatedContent.pm : SyndicatedContent moved over to wg8. - http://bit.ly/aBhr99 | 01:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | this is a great read: http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2010/02/a-perl-programming-maintenance-checklist.html | 02:03 |
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| @preaction | Spreadsheet::WriteExcel is pretty nice | 02:46 |
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| @preaction | Vrby wanted a report for TGC, and I give him an already-populated excel spreadsheet | 02:48 |
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| @preaction | next i hope to add the formulas and stuff that he'd inevitably add himself | 02:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | cool! I hear they just added graphs | 02:59 |
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| carogray | Hi all | 16:24 |
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| +bartjol | hi carogray | 16:24 |
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| carogray | doing many things at once, but...is it possible to "run" not sure this is what I want to do, an xml file on PlainBlack server? | 16:25 |
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| carogray | There is this software called A2J which produces a kind of interview | 16:26 |
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| carogray | it wouldn't be in the frame of our website... I don't think.., also it uses Flash and may only work with IE, however it would be very helpful if we could upload an xml file to PlainBlack server and then have it email us | 16:27 |
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| carogray | or allow people to email us or... | 16:27 |
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| carogray | feed the information to a "behind the scenes" data form and email us. | 16:27 |
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| carogray | All I know is that the interview is an xml file. | 16:27 |
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| +bartjol | well, I don't know how far they host applications next to wg | 16:27 |
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| carogray | how far? | 16:28 |
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| carogray | is xml an application? | 16:28 |
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| +bartjol | I mean, whether they host anything besides webgui, or only plug ins | 16:28 |
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| +bartjol | no | 16:28 |
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| carogray | mmmm | 16:28 |
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| +bartjol | but the stuffs which seems to make it is | 16:28 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:28 |
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| +bartjol | morning Scott | 16:29 |
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| carogray | so if it were just a file, like a jpg, or pdf - is xml that kind of file? | 16:29 |
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| +bartjol | more html like, but just a file anyways, so yes | 16:30 |
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| carogray | I will need to find out more about this - thanks. | 16:30 |
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| +bartjol | yeah, but you can upload files and make them group acessible | 16:31 |
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| carogray | you mean View by "everyone"? | 16:31 |
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| +bartjol | can't you use a dataform | 16:31 |
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| carogray | data form is just a form, this is a really neat little application with audio and sometimes even video where an avatar asks you questions and takes you down the path to justice... | 16:32 |
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| +bartjol | depends on who you want able to see: | 16:32 |
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| +bartjol | a the form | 16:32 |
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| +bartjol | b the results | 16:32 |
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| carogray | neither | 16:32 |
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| carogray | it uses flash | 16:32 |
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| +bartjol | aah | 16:32 |
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| +bartjol | almost like a game | 16:32 |
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| carogray | yes, I guess probably, maybe | 16:32 |
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| carogray | but I have been told it is just an xml file | 16:33 |
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| +bartjol | in wwhich I prolly will get stuck in prison 23 lifetimes | 16:33 |
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| +bartjol | well, but the results of choices can be quite simple | 16:34 |
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| +bartjol | I can see that | 16:34 |
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| carogray | not that kind of info - we only do civil law, so you would be evicted 23 million times, or divorced 23 million times, or have to pay 23 million in child support | 16:34 |
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| +bartjol | ah, the joys of justice | 16:34 |
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| carogray | if I programmed it wrong. | 16:34 |
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| +bartjol | :) | 16:34 |
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| carogray | ok...gotta go learn more about this..ta | 16:34 |
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| +bartjol | hey it's conservative boy (a reincarnation of a superhero) | 17:10 |
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| ckotil | is there macro to show page hits? like a counter | 18:27 |
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| ckotil | http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/page_views_macro3 should do the trick. sql asset with Page macro. | 18:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | ckotil, you could use Asset metadata and AOIHits macro to do that, but it's not the best solution | 18:35 |
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| ckotil | my passiveProfileAOI table is empty | 18:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | I believe passive profiling has to be enabled, because it incurs a performance penalty | 18:58 |
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| ckotil | any other ways to do this? | 19:00 |
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| ckotil | also where do you enable passive profiling? | 19:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | In the settings | 19:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm... other ways | 19:02 |
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| ckotil | passive profiling must not be in myu version 7.6.35 | 19:04 |
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| ckotil | ah found it. in user tab | 19:05 |
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| ckotil | getting data in passiveProfileLog, but not passiveProfileAOI | 19:08 |
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| ckotil | ok got data in it by running the appropriate workflow activity | 19:14 |
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| ckotil | that was a big drain on the server tho. and only 14 assets were summarized | 19:15 |
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| ckotil | the data doesnt look useful. count's are off by a lot, and the values listed are one my profile content fields. | 19:17 |
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| elnino | ok. I'm typing with ne hand here. bear with me =) | 23:23 |
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| elnino | I have a custom product with variant that I pretty much took from produvt.pm | 23:24 |
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| elnino | in my template, Im calling out the addVariant_url variable. | 23:24 |
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| elnino | when looking at the product.pm code, it is set only when canEdit is true | 23:25 |
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| elnino | in the template, there is no conditional other than ifd admin is on. | 23:26 |
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| elnino | there is a template variable called canEdit availbale, but it isn't used. | 23:26 |
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| elnino | so I find that a bit interesting. perhaps the template fgroup knows of this... anyway | 23:27 |
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| elnino | in my custom product, the addVariant variable osn't being set =( | 23:28 |
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| elnino | and I can't figure out why. | 23:28 |
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| elnino | admin is obviously turned on, and Im editing the product all the time. | 23:28 |
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| elnino | I have not overridden the canEdit function, or variable. | 23:29 |
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| elnino | I obviously did some bad pasting somewhere. =( | 23:30 |
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| elnino | I used sku as the base, which is based on asset, so that should be fine. | 23:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino, perhaps a little pasting? | 23:34 |
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| elnino | =) | 23:34 |
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| * perlDreamer will be back in a little bit and will backlog | 23:35 |
| elnino | everything else works in my template, but Im stuck at the fact that "canEdit is false".. I'll remove that condittional for now. | 23:36 |
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| cmiller | Hi. I have a question about setting up a database link in WebGUI. On my Debian server, I can connect to an MS SQL database using Perl DBI->connect('DBI:ODBC:DEBIAN','user','password'); and do("use Northwind"); | 23:48 |
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| cmiller | However, I cannot figure out what the DSN should be inside the WebGUI database link. Any suggestions? | 23:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | cmiller, iirc, it takes a standard DBI DSN in the Database link | 23:53 |
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| cmiller | I've tried dbi:ODBC:DEBIAN, and that doesn't work | 23:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | cmiller: I googled, and found this: http://www.easysoft.com/developer/languages/perl/sql_server_unix_tutorial.html | 00:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | not sure why you're using dbi:ODBC:DEBIAN, unless the name of the perl module is somehow different on your OS | 00:05 |
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| * perlDreamer has to run some errands | 00:06 |
| cmiller | DEBIAN is the name of the datasource in the odbc.ini fille | 00:06 |
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| cmiller | *file | 00:06 |
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| cmiller | translates to myserver.home.com port 1433 | 00:07 |
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| cmiller | works great from Perl, but I can't get it to work in WebGUI | 00:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | time for caffeine! | 01:20 |
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| SynQ | booh! | 01:29 |
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| SynQ | I'm alive | 01:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ! | 01:29 |
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| SynQ | perlDreamer! | 01:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | you great beastie | 01:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | how you doing? | 01:29 |
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| SynQ | busy | 01:29 |
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| SynQ | very very busy | 01:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | Must be. How's is The Netherlands most beautiful little girl? | 01:29 |
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| SynQ | she is now 1 year and 4 days | 01:29 |
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| SynQ | and she is doing great | 01:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | Awesome | 01:30 |
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| SynQ | we are celabrating her birthday this weekend | 01:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | is she getting a little brother for her birthday? | 01:30 |
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| SynQ | first steps are being taken | 01:30 |
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| SynQ | I wish :) | 01:30 |
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| SynQ | I hope I get my new car for my own birthday | 01:31 |
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| SynQ | JT will be pleased with me | 01:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | What are you buying? | 01:31 |
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| SynQ | you have three guesses, but I'll give you a few hits | 01:31 |
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| SynQ | HSD, pearl white, Brake problem :) | 01:32 |
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| * perlDreamer knows little to nothing about cars because they do not use perl | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | You are buying a Prius | 01:32 |
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| SynQ | hehe | 01:32 |
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| elnino | lol | 01:32 |
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| SynQ | you guessed right in one go! | 01:32 |
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| SynQ | and yes it's "pearl white" | 01:32 |
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| SynQ | I already typed it wrong a few times | 01:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, the break problem was a dead giveaway | 01:33 |
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| SynQ | I'm sorry | 01:33 |
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| SynQ | I hope it won't delay the delivery | 01:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | WebGUI 8 lives! | 01:40 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rd1572c4 / (5 files in 4 dirs): Make sure that all builder methods that use session sare set to be lazy. - http://bit.ly/cJo3iB | 01:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | with that commit, you can actually fire it up and see a page | 01:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | you probably can't do much beyond that, but it's a big step | 01:41 |
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| SynQ | ah | 01:58 |
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| SynQ | just in time! | 01:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | he is psychic | 01:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | the news about WebGUI resonated through the ether, and drew him in from his remote location | 01:58 |
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| +patspam | news? | 01:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | WebGUI 8 can show pages | 01:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's a good time to step back and look at overall status | 02:02 |
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| elnino | I'm creating a product similar to product, can I just use product.pm as the base? or do I have to use sku.pm? | 07:19 |
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| @preaction | you can use product as a base just fine | 07:20 |
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| elnino | ok. | 07:20 |
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| elnino | thx | 07:21 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 16:04 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:28 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbb26647 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject.pm): Remove code that sets the synopsis inside Wobject/www_view, since it is also done in processStyle. - http://bit.ly/aKTr4R | 18:51 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rae8c1a6 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Set cache control to "none" if the DataForm uses a captcha. Fixes bug #11381. - http://bit.ly/a7OgUp | 00:44 |
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| @preaction | does it? does it really? | 00:44 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r420de27 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Set cache control to "none" if the DataForm uses a captcha. Fixes bug #11381. - http://bit.ly/ck5wVP | 00:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | of course if does, preaction | 00:45 |
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| @preaction | ARE YOU SURE? | 00:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:45 |
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| @preaction | oh | 00:45 |
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| @preaction | but are you SURE that you're sure? | 00:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, painfully so | 00:45 |
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| @preaction | can I fire people after they're already fired? | 00:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | Let me put it this way, I'm equally as sure that the Code Editor will be fixed by release tomorrow evening. | 00:46 |
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| @preaction | uh... you decided to fix it yourself? | 00:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | No, the guy who wrote it told me that it would be done by tomorrow. | 00:47 |
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| @preaction | Dav Glass? wow, you ARE connected | 00:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | and since that is off your back, I thought I'd give you the two Map bugs, too | 00:47 |
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| @preaction | aww, you're sweet | 00:49 |
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| @preaction | too bad i'm busy writing a feature that should have taken 3 hours, and has so far taken 3 days | 00:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | why don't you let me do it, and you can do Dav a big one | 00:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | and then we'll all be happy :) | 00:50 |
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| @preaction | because it would take you the same amount of time: i'm adding some extra logging to TGC so we can reconcile the click count on the printer | 00:51 |
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| @preaction | apparently about 400 sheets of 11x17 paper are missing | 00:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | odd | 00:51 |
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| @preaction | but since this is the most convoluted code i've seen since Frank started working on the alumni project, it's slow going | 00:51 |
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| @preaction | i was going to rewrite it, but i was overruled | 00:52 |
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| @preaction | i swear to god i am going to start this whole project from scratch, that's how much it's pissing me off... | 00:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | they'll just overrule you again | 00:53 |
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| * perlDreamer is very fatalistic today | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry for being a downer | 00:53 |
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| @preaction | oh, that's only if i tell them what i'm doing | 00:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | don't you think they'll notice when the site starts working faster and better? | 00:55 |
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| @preaction | no. people don't care | 00:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | in that case, want some help? :) | 00:58 |
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| @preaction | sure, first we need to procure a few pounds of enriched uranium | 01:01 |
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| @preaction | then, an orbital launch platform | 01:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | ooh! ooh! And an git repository? | 01:03 |
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| @preaction | if that helps me build the nuke and launch it, sure | 01:03 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2d8f07f / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth/WebGUI.pm): Fix illegal HTML from the Auth plugin. It was making LI's with no UL's. Fixes bug #11392 - http://bit.ly/bo65Eu | 01:12 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7470a15 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth/WebGUI.pm): Fix illegal HTML from the Auth plugin. It was making LI's with no UL's. Fixes bug #11392 - http://bit.ly/as26ny | 01:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | mducharme, mducharme-work: are you around? | 01:20 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf24963b / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed the label in Operation/User:www_editUser, generated by editUserForm in LDAP.pm. Fixes bug #11395. - http://bit.ly/dfHtDs | 01:26 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5c1ec13 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed the label in Operation/User:www_editUser, generated by editUserForm in LDAP.pm. Fixes bug #11395. - http://bit.ly/cjeCdI | 01:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | too late | 01:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | man, there are indeed too many zeroes in the cache clearing workflows | 01:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | this is not equal to 100 MB: 1000000000 | 01:34 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra78f067 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a number typo in the Cache cleanup workflow activities. Fixes bug #11396. - http://bit.ly/cGiC6k | 01:41 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2f69054 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a number typo in the Cache cleanup workflow activities. Fixes bug #11396. - http://bit.ly/cwzH8G | 01:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, I'll fix the map bugs, but I'd like a consult on this bug: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11393 | 01:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | the view point template is not supposed to have a save button, is it? | 01:58 |
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| @preaction | i can't see why it would need one | 01:58 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r4f4e0dd / t/Auth/LDAP.t : fixed LDAP tests for LDAP best practices - http://bit.ly/9yfVWx | 03:40 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r8638185 / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fix #11349: Code Editor returns \n for blank content - http://bit.ly/bM9e5n | 03:40 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rc16809a / t/Auth/LDAP.t : fixed LDAP tests for LDAP best practices - http://bit.ly/awmYIT | 03:40 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Doug Bell master * re9fdab2 / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fix #11349: Code Editor returns \n for blank content - http://bit.ly/bdE26p | 03:40 |
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| @preaction | yay! 1 down, 2 to go | 03:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | dude! you did it! | 03:45 |
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| elnino | working hard again I see. Go preaction! | 03:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | he works hard all the time, just not so often on the bugs that I nag him about | 03:46 |
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| elnino | = | 03:46 |
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| elnino | 0) | 03:46 |
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| elnino | good grief. That's supposed to be =) | 03:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | we trust you, elnino | 03:52 |
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| @preaction | i wouldn't | 03:52 |
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| @preaction | it comes once every 7 years and screws up our weather | 03:52 |
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| @preaction | it's unpredictable, you never know when it next will hit | 03:52 |
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| elnino | what?? | 03:53 |
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| elnino | are you talking about our snow we are giving you? It's beautiful, isn't it? | 03:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | we would take some, if there's too much | 03:54 |
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| @preaction | i'll take that 55 and sunny if you don't mind | 03:55 |
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| elnino | there's enough to share, to be sure. | 03:57 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r32223e6 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Add website and synopsis fields to the View Point template for the Map. Addresses bug #11393. - http://bit.ly/dC0iRA | 04:53 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r531a2f6 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Add website and synopsis fields to the View Point template for the Map. Addresses bug #11393. - http://bit.ly/dvyynY | 04:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: any ideas what to do about the double version tag problem with specific versions of IE8 on XP? | 04:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't see where this is anything other than an IE specific bug | 04:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I can't duplicate with my IE8 on XP | 04:56 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: link me! | 06:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11336 | 06:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | I figured you kept up to date with Ye Olde Bugge Listo | 06:17 |
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| @preaction | could it be a manifestation of the dataform bug that webgui.org has? | 06:19 |
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| @preaction | does it happen with just his IE8 or with everyone's IE8? | 06:20 |
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| @preaction | it might be site-specific | 06:20 |
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| @preaction | we might have to keep it open, but it doesn't have to block a stable release | 06:22 |
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| @preaction | we need an "Unable to Reproduce" status | 06:22 |
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| @preaction | which reminds me, perlDreamer how goes the WG8 stuff? | 06:23 |
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| elnino | isn't there a setting somewhere that the urls do not use the uploads directory? or something....? | 06:33 |
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| @preaction | enableStreamingUploads maybe? | 06:34 |
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| @preaction | bad idea, btw | 06:34 |
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| elnino | I know.. I just need to scrape the site, and make it html, and right now, I'm getting a gabillian directorys in the uploads subdirectory. | 06:35 |
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| elnino | then the site comes down. | 06:35 |
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| @preaction | why scrape? why not export? | 06:35 |
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| elnino | because the export didn't work as I thought it would. | 06:35 |
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| elnino | It did weird things. | 06:36 |
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| @preaction | what kind of weird things? | 06:36 |
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| elnino | I knew you were going to ask... | 06:36 |
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| elnino | lol | 06:36 |
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| elnino | I don't remember. I just remember it definately ddint' give me what I thought it would do. sorry. | 06:36 |
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| elnino | these people want to have the site all static html | 06:36 |
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| elnino | and scraping was the only thing that I knew what to do | 06:37 |
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| elnino | to give me a directory of files that would simply unzip nicely. | 06:37 |
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| elnino | I think the export was missing images, and didn't export everything. or something. | 06:37 |
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| elnino | I can try it again if you want. it won't take long, it's a small site. | 06:38 |
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| @preaction | i believe there are options in the export for uploads directory thing | 06:38 |
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| @preaction | but i don't remember | 06:38 |
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| elnino | let me finish this first though. | 06:38 |
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| elnino | ok. I'll look. | 06:38 |
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| @preaction | and you're right, it's really only useful to those who already know what to do | 06:38 |
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| elnino | hmm. the enableStreamingUploads doesn't work in the gallery? | 06:43 |
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| elnino | I restarted modperl and modproxy. am I supposed to do spectre too? | 06:43 |
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| @preaction | ah, no, it doesn't work in the Gallery | 06:44 |
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| elnino | ga!! | 06:44 |
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| elnino | bug or rfe? | 06:44 |
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| elnino | =) | 06:44 |
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| @preaction | because the photo's URL does not bring you to the photo | 06:44 |
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| @preaction | neither | 06:44 |
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| @preaction | it never will | 06:44 |
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| @preaction | the photo's URL is for the page with the photo's details | 06:44 |
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| @preaction | enableStreamingUploads is for File and Image assets | 06:45 |
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| elnino | alright, I guess I'll adjust the gallery template. thanks | 06:45 |
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| elnino | THEN I'll do the export thingy | 06:45 |
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| elnino | =) | 06:45 |
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| @preaction | uh... adjust it to do what? | 06:46 |
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| elnino | not link to the real photo. | 06:46 |
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| elnino | I'll just make the thumbnail bigger. =) | 06:46 |
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| elnino | or | 06:46 |
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| elnino | I suppose that's in the uplaods too. | 06:46 |
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| @preaction | yep | 06:46 |
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| elnino | well, I'll cut the number down in half then. =) | 06:47 |
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| @preaction | what's wrong with the uploads urls? | 06:47 |
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| @preaction | symlink uploads <- that's the property in the export i think | 06:47 |
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| @preaction | I think all you need to do is: tar zcf mysite.tar.gz ExportDir /data/domains/.../uploads /data/WebGUI/extras <- | 06:48 |
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| @preaction | wait, that won't work right, but you get the idea: you need to include the uploads dir in the tarball | 06:48 |
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| @preaction | and extras for that matter | 06:48 |
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| elnino | nothings wrong with it, its just overwhelming to see the large directory, and if they decide to moify the html themselves, they won't know where to go. | 06:48 |
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| elnino | oh. yeah, that's what I did too for the exporting, but at this moment, I'm still scraping. | 06:49 |
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| elnino | OH. I see. I'm slow. | 06:54 |
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| elnino | uploads directory will have to be acceptable. | 06:55 |
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| elnino | ok. so I'll try to export it for you. | 06:56 |
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| elnino | hmm. | 07:04 |
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| elnino | so.. I exported it. using the symlink option. | 07:05 |
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| elnino | hold on. | 07:07 |
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| elnino | ok. | 07:16 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r1e7a661 / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fixed #11322: Code Editor Broken - http://bit.ly/cW2u5k | 07:16 |
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| elnino | so export didn't get my style sheets or sifr files | 07:16 |
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| elnino | I do remember having an issue with images, being saved as .jpg.jpeg | 07:16 |
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| elnino | but it doesn't appear to have happened this time around. | 07:17 |
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| @preaction | did you do the export while you were at the root of the site? | 07:17 |
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| elnino | root? no, home | 07:17 |
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| elnino | \/home | 07:17 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rd31be40 / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fixed #11322: Code Editor Broken - http://bit.ly/a5AO8t | 07:17 |
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| elnino | and home and all descendents are exportable. | 07:18 |
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| @preaction | if you're at home, it won't get the import node | 07:18 |
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| @preaction | if your stylesheets or sifr files are in the import node, they won't get exported | 07:18 |
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| elnino | I figured it traversed the html | 07:18 |
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| elnino | but that would explain why it's fast. | 07:18 |
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| elnino | it doesnt. =) | 07:18 |
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| @preaction | nope, i want the "Template Attachments" thing to be able to do the right thing, but it hasn't been developed yet | 07:18 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: could you do me a solid and test the code editor in the latest commit? make sure it works and make sure you can paste large blocks of text in IE7? i can't seem to reproduce the last bug | 07:19 |
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| elnino | k. I'll try this again. the other thing is that if I have to tarball the entire uploads, I get old revisions, which I don't need. is there a way to "delete" all old revisions? | 07:20 |
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| @preaction | that would be a good RFE: export only the necessary parts of the uploads directory | 07:20 |
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| @preaction | a better RFE: make new storage locations only when necessary, and delete only when no links to them exist | 07:21 |
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| elnino | well , there is a wrokflow that deletes them once in a while. | 07:21 |
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| @preaction | an even better RFE: Rewrite all of WebGUI to do exactly what I want it to do, which is the RIGHT THING | 07:21 |
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| elnino | I=me or I = you? | 07:22 |
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| @preaction | yeah, but you don't want to modify that workflow to delete them all, and that would be the only way | 07:22 |
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| elnino | =) | 07:22 |
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| @preaction | I = me | 07:22 |
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| * preaction has been feeling rather frustrated as of late | 07:22 |
| elnino | sorry. | 07:22 |
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| elnino | webgui is VERY cool You're doing good work! | 07:22 |
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| @preaction | i could rant for hours about how much suck needs to be fixed ;-) | 07:24 |
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| elnino | oh dear... I did an export from root, now it's giving me EVERYTHING. | 07:24 |
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| @preaction | yep | 07:24 |
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| elnino | lol . I'll scrape. | 07:24 |
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| @preaction | the US Embassys (who funded the export stuff) tend to keep all their necessary stuff in a special folder in root | 07:25 |
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| @preaction | you can also cherry pick each folder you need to export | 07:25 |
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| @preaction | (it doesn't have to be exported all at once) | 07:25 |
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| elnino | too much work. =) | 07:27 |
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| elnino | I got what I need. =) I'm going to bed early now... have a good night! nice chatting. | 07:27 |
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| elnino | hmmm. I find this interesting. my scrape included a bunch of YUI and tinymce files. I wonder if it knew I was still logged in. maby I should do the wget insead. | 07:37 |
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| elnino | since I'm up. Has there been discussion about chaning webgui's name by anychance? | 07:37 |
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| @preaction | not recently, why? | 07:38 |
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| elnino | well. I have a google alert thing going, and all I get is hits on Visual WebGUi and not plainblack's webgui. very frustrating. I suspect it makes pb's marketing efforts difficult. | 07:39 |
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| @preaction | i imagine it does, but there's been no talk that i know of | 07:41 |
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| @preaction | JT's got some personal projects going, but that's about it | 07:41 |
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| elnino | it's a drastic change. obviously not one to take lightly. | 07:41 |
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| elnino | I was just wondering... ok. going to sleep now. gnite | 07:42 |
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| @preaction | well, considering i want to drastically change the internals of WebGUI, it would make sense to use the time to change the name | 07:42 |
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| elnino | =) | 07:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: will test the new editor tomorrow, and generate a wg8 status sheet. | 08:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, folks | 18:45 |
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| @Haarg | morning | 18:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: I'm reinstalling IE7 to test that HTML pasting issue | 18:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | and then I'll be publishing an wg8 status document | 18:51 |
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| @Haarg | i have ie7 right now if you need something tested | 18:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, this bug: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11285 | 18:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | you'll need the "reallyLongLine" file, and it has to be done on XP | 18:52 |
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| @Haarg | hmm | 18:57 |
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| @Haarg | that reveals another problem | 18:58 |
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| @Haarg | if you open the reallyLongLine file in IE it renders the html | 18:58 |
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| @Haarg | in what way does that sample line get changed? | 19:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll try to paste the modified output back to the bug | 19:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | bummer, I thought we'd be all done | 19:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's the last link, instead of http://www.vetmed.__whatever, it's Homehttp://www.vetmed..... | 19:08 |
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| @Haarg | for some of the other links too | 19:09 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r0f7facd / asset_status.ods : Add a spreadsheet showing which assets have been coverted to Moose, and if and how they have been tested. - http://bit.ly/aREpNT | 20:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, do you also have an IE8 installed? | 20:58 |
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| ckotil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gA16Fq4SAo&sns=em | 21:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | what's that all about, ckotil? | 21:19 |
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| ckotil | daniel tosh gets his hands on an ipad | 21:21 |
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| ckotil | its sfw | 21:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | I know, but why did he smash it with a golf club? I don't get the joke. | 21:30 |
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| ckotil | that's this guys comedy. | 21:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, next time he thinks about being funny, have him give me the iPad, and I'll get him a nice cheap replica. | 21:47 |
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| ckotil | right | 21:56 |
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| ckotil | how hard would it be to create a macro based on assetProxy but also have it accept parameters so that you can tweak the asset you are proxying in? | 22:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | what kind of parameters? | 22:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | what you're talking about sounds a lot like a shortcut, with overrides | 22:04 |
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| ckotil | i wanna proxy a nav asset but change the start URL | 22:06 |
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| ckotil | :) | 22:06 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfb3211a / (3 files in 3 dirs): IE8 on XP demands that onclick actions return false, otherwise it submits the form twice. Fixes bug #11336. - http://bit.ly/bDz8rr | 22:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's the very height of laziness. You really _are_ a perl hacker. | 22:07 |
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| ckotil | If I could somehow dynamically set the start uRL for a nav asset via a template variable Id be all set. | 22:08 |
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| ckotil | heh | 22:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | and the relative starting URLs won't do the same thing? | 22:10 |
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| ckotil | no because waht I have in mind cannot use the URL of the page the asset resides on | 22:11 |
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| ckotil | this is more brainstorming for crumb trails in search results. | 22:11 |
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| ckotil | i know it's costly, but I gotta see just how costly | 22:11 |
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| elnino | I'm reading http://www.webgui.org/admin/wiki/one-webgui-multiple-sites, If I have domain1.com and domain2.com, that's all the user will see, right? I don't want them to be redirected to http://domain1.com/domain2 | 22:24 |
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| ckotil | im currently doing this. and if a user goes to domain2.com that's all they will see. | 22:31 |
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| ckotil | now, depending on how you organize your site, domain1.com/domain2 will go to the same place as domain2.com/domain2 | 22:32 |
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| ckotil | but with enough fancy mod_rewriting you can keep domain1.com and domain2.com entirely separated. | 22:32 |
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| elnino | yep, I want "totally separateedd" with the exception of the db. | 22:33 |
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| elnino | Thanks ckotil | 22:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino, what's wrong with having two different virtual hosts? | 22:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | or do you want a single-sign on kind of deal? | 22:33 |
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| ckotil | I have separate virtual hosts for each domain | 22:34 |
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| elnino | we're implementing parked pages - so they will allhave one page. | 22:34 |
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| ckotil | domain/hostname | 22:34 |
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| elnino | kinda over kill for one page sites. | 22:34 |
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| elnino | or am I misunderstanding virtual hosts? | 22:34 |
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| ckotil | since I have unique domain/hostnames for each site I give them each their own virtual host. They also have unique IP's so I can do ssl | 22:35 |
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| elnino | perlDreamer, virtual hosts = separate wg db. right? | 22:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | yup | 22:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | but if it's only 1 page per site, it's overkill like ckotil said | 22:37 |
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| elnino | so I *think* a single database for all these parked pages makes sense? feel free to talk me out of it. | 22:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, I agree completely | 22:37 |
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| elnino | ok. good. =) I like when people agree with me. lol | 22:37 |
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| @preaction | i think in 7.9 we should change the default configuration of the Rich Text Editors to be better: Add the Paste From Word button, use Inline Popups, Allow Media by default, and maybe more | 23:00 |
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| elnino | YES | 23:00 |
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| @preaction | ooh, the cut/copy/paste/paste as plain text/undo/redo would be nice | 23:00 |
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| elnino | YES | 23:00 |
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| elnino | my client LOVES pasting from msword, its unbelieveably messy | 23:00 |
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| ckotil | add file assets from within the rich editor | 23:00 |
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| @preaction | i'd do it right now, but people might get pissed off | 23:00 |
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| @preaction | ckotil: that would require code, not just clicking checkboxes in the rich editor's configuration | 23:01 |
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| elnino | didn't know it did that. | 23:01 |
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| ckotil | :0 i had to try | 23:01 |
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| @preaction | go to content_managers_rich_edit?func=edit <- on your site | 23:01 |
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| elnino | how is that different than attachments? ckotil | 23:01 |
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| @preaction | elnino: attachments can't be placed, and are not assets | 23:01 |
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| @preaction | the attachment / file asset system on webgui sucks for content management | 23:01 |
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| elnino | oh I see. =) | 23:02 |
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| elnino | yes. | 23:02 |
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| ckotil | with assets you get version tracking, a reusable URL, and a lot more benefits | 23:02 |
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| @preaction | i'm writing a lengthy reply to a user about this exact topic | 23:02 |
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| ckotil | preaction: i think its me :) | 23:02 |
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| @preaction | probably | 23:02 |
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| elnino | brb | 23:02 |
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| ckotil | my users have been grilling me with questions, and some of them I cannot faithfully answer. bc my understanding of webgui is limited. | 23:03 |
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| @preaction | no worries, i understand. and i share your pain | 23:03 |
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| @preaction | i tried to start a blog a few months back, using webgui, and i was quickly frustrated at how impossibly difficult basic content management really is in webgui | 23:04 |
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| ckotil | yeah, its a beast, and hyou really need to understand a majority of the system before you can really use it. | 23:05 |
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| @preaction | yeah | 23:05 |
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| ckotil | unfortunately my users are only using a small portion of it, so they have no desire to actually learn it | 23:05 |
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| @preaction | some people say the barrier to install is the biggest hurdle webgui faces. i say the convoluted way to perform basic, everyday tasks is | 23:05 |
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| ckotil | ive managed to make a lot of the tasks simpler. by leveragine the template system. ive added urls to add article/layouts/files. hover help boxes, little things like that. | 23:06 |
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| ckotil | but i ive still failed. need to go back and rethink some things. | 23:06 |
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| ckotil | tho the doc system does have a lot of content. which is inspiring. people are using the system. | 23:07 |
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| @preaction | you could leverage some JS to make adding images to articles/pages a lot easier. | 23:07 |
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| @preaction | though you might have to hack the button in (or make your users use a bookmarklet) | 23:08 |
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| ckotil | use JS to inline adding file assets to the article/layouts? | 23:08 |
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| @preaction | essentially, and then the files can be in whatever place you want, but still be included as a macro in the currently-open rich editor | 23:09 |
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| @preaction | we want to move from TinyMCE to YUI's Editor, as it is easier to write these kinds of plugins and it's fewer dependencies, but we just haven't done the work yet | 23:09 |
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| @preaction | once we do, i want to completely overhaul the attachment system, and actually use the "Media" folder for something: attachments as assets under the Media/Attachments/<assetId> folder | 23:10 |
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| @preaction | then a tab next to the rich editor to show "Attachments for this asset" or "Search all attachments for all assets" | 23:10 |
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| ckotil | why not ditch attachments all together and just have them as file assets? | 23:11 |
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| @preaction | or just even "Search" to search for whatever kind of Image / File you want | 23:11 |
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| @preaction | they will be file assets, they'll just be called attachments (attachments being a user-friendly label) | 23:11 |
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| ckotil | in our environment we keep all file assets in a specific location for each website. the file-bin | 23:11 |
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| @preaction | to the user, it will seem that when they open a rich editor to edit an asset, a list of attachments to that asset appears | 23:12 |
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| ckotil | ok sure. that makes sense. asset this and that can be confusing | 23:12 |
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| @preaction | to the admin, all attachments are in /media/attachments, organized by the asset ID of the asset it's attached to | 23:12 |
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| ckotil | would they also exist as children beneath the article/layout asset? | 23:13 |
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| elnino | the template redos have definately helped. but they need docs which I'm working on. | 23:13 |
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| @preaction | unfortunately, as i'll say in a little while, i don't have my own private time to do all this, and nobody's buying my time for me to do all this | 23:13 |
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| ckotil | right. | 23:13 |
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| @preaction | ckotil: no, they wouldn't. that causes problems in navigation and they'd show up twice on the page if you also added them using the ^FileURL macro | 23:13 |
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| @preaction | elnino: now we just need to get people thinking "Template Toolkit" instead of HTML::Template | 23:14 |
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| ckotil | ah. | 23:14 |
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| ckotil | i need to switch to the TT | 23:14 |
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| elnino | ckotil re attachments vs file assets. | 23:14 |
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| ckotil | preaction: re: content_managers_rich_edit.html?func=edit even though I have enabled Past from Word, it still doesnt work as well as it should. | 23:15 |
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| ckotil | pretty sure its a tiny mce bug. | 23:15 |
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| elnino | oh nevermind ckotil | 23:15 |
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| elnino | I was going to say something. but am not going to. | 23:16 |
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| @preaction | post it, along with which version of webgui you're using. if you can verify it is indeed a tinymce bug, that would help a lot | 23:16 |
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| elnino | still catching up on reading all of this. | 23:16 |
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| @preaction | (the tinymce website should have a latest version demo you can try) | 23:16 |
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| ckotil | k. problem is my users claim to haev all these problems but NEVER file a formal bug report with us | 23:16 |
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| ckotil | only last week finally squelched the MIME type issue with docx pptx etc... | 23:17 |
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| ckotil | which ive been hearinf about for 6 months. | 23:17 |
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| elnino | preaction - the new "attachments"/file assets will still be attached to the articles, so that if a user views the article directly by url, they'll still see the attachments, right? | 23:17 |
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| @preaction | most people don't like asking for help, especially on something like computers (and especially from people who they know are smarter than them on the topic) | 23:17 |
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| @preaction | elnino: it's not something i've thought about that much, but i want it to work more like the wiki attachments, where you drag/drop the attachments to the place you want them. most likely there would still also be the <tmpl_loop attachments> for the template people | 23:18 |
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| ckotil | yah, that's too bad, when I really want to make the system work better | 23:18 |
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| @preaction | likewise, many of these trivial UI problems we have I never hear about because they aren't "bugs" per-se | 23:19 |
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| elnino | is the wiki attachments an aspect? | 23:19 |
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| @preaction | i did some training runs last year, and that's when i really got a lot of feedback on how much we could improve our basics | 23:19 |
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| @preaction | elnino: it's a form control, kinda. it's very hacky (due to the tinymce mostly) | 23:19 |
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| elnino | oh yea, I remember that.. It's very clunky. I never use it. | 23:20 |
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| @preaction | exactly | 23:21 |
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| @preaction | EXACTLY! ;-) | 23:21 |
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| elnino | i think it was a templating issue whenI tried it.- when the wiki first came out. | 23:21 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r924cc0d / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post/Thread.pm): Swap lastPostId and lastPostDate arguments when archiving a thread. Fixes bug #11398 - http://bit.ly/bmyMp6 | 00:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | dionak++ for being the new Person Behind WebGUI | 00:50 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r8046cc7 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post/Thread.pm): Swap lastPostId and lastPostDate arguments when archiving a thread. Fixes bug #11398 - http://bit.ly/cXfmLj | 00:51 |
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| @preaction | dionak++; # second | 00:52 |
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| @preaction | if you think so, i agree | 01:28 |
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| @preaction | most the bugs i saw were either long-standing or unverifiable | 01:28 |
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| elnino_laptop | has anyone looked at cakephp? how does that compare to webgui? | 03:03 |
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| @preaction | elnino_laptop: looks like it's a framework, not a CMS | 03:38 |
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| @preaction | you'd have to build a CMS on top of it (or find a CMS built on top of it) | 03:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | LDAP is fix_ed. | 04:21 |
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| +patspam | ewww php | 05:52 |
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| ckotil | Morning. Is there any kind of reporting for the data form asset? | 16:21 |
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| +bartjol | ee, that's default isn't it ckotil? | 16:28 |
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| ckotil | not that i can see. i can go to list all entries, or export tab delimited. | 16:29 |
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| +bartjol | there is an export data function, but you can also choose "List all entries" when logged in | 16:29 |
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| ckotil | i suppose export would be sufficient | 16:29 |
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| +bartjol | the list is the "report | 16:30 |
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| +bartjol | " | 16:30 |
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| +bartjol | I suppose you can template that | 16:30 |
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| ckotil | yeah, i was hoping for breakdowns and percentages. but i can do that in excel | 16:30 |
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| +bartjol | there is a list template | 16:31 |
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| +bartjol | I suppose you can use the template toolkit to get percentages | 16:31 |
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| ckotil | yeah, good idea. thanks | 16:31 |
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| +bartjol | ckotil: are there any approved rfe's you want supported? | 16:33 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:35 |
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| +bartjol | still get to get rid of 10000 karma | 16:35 |
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| SDuensin | Oh, gee, poor you. | 16:36 |
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| +bartjol | yeah, I promised ning that I would spend it on rfe's | 16:36 |
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| +bartjol | but it's a bit strange to spend it all on my own rfe's | 16:36 |
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| ckotil | yeah man! | 16:37 |
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| +bartjol | like this one SDuensin? http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10701 | 16:38 |
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| ckotil | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10496 | 16:38 |
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| ckotil | holy crap. http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/add-a-summary-meta-data-input-field-to-file-pile-asset this one has an insanely high difficulty , and a ton of karma. if only JT would lower the difficulty on it ;) | 16:39 |
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| +bartjol | ckotil: you got 1000 karma for that one | 16:39 |
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| ckotil | sweet, thanks man | 16:40 |
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| +bartjol | 3200 for the second | 16:40 |
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| ckotil | nice | 16:41 |
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| +bartjol | sd you got 100 to | 16:41 |
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| +bartjol | 1000 | 16:41 |
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| +bartjol | SDuensin: and 600 for your itransact rfe | 16:43 |
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| SDuensin | WHOO!!!!! | 16:43 |
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| SDuensin | bartjol is a spendin' fool! | 16:43 |
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| ckotil | :) | 16:43 |
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| +bartjol | yeah, I feel really rich | 16:44 |
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| SDuensin | You could have ordered a dozen Gui's or something. | 16:44 |
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| +bartjol | around 6000 left to spend | 16:44 |
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| +bartjol | yeah, but a promise is a promise | 16:44 |
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| SDuensin | This is reminding me of the old episodes of "Wheel of Fortune". "Uh, I'd like the jade elephant for $8000, Pat." | 16:45 |
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| +bartjol | :) | 16:45 |
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| ckotil | Im all out of reasonable RFE's | 16:49 |
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| SquOnk | "Switch to PostreSQL" <g> | 16:51 |
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| SquOnk | PostgreSQL | 16:51 |
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| SquOnk | When is 7.8 going stable? | 16:51 |
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| +bartjol | there was a timetable for that in the roadmap I believe | 16:51 |
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| ckotil | might spark your interest http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/new-starting-point-for-navigation-asset | 16:51 |
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| +bartjol | since wg 8 development is taking a lot of time, the stable declaration might be later | 16:52 |
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| SquOnk | So there won't be 7.9? | 16:52 |
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| +bartjol | I think there will be | 16:54 |
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| +bartjol | http://www.webgui.org/roadmap | 16:54 |
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| +bartjol | WebGUI 7.8 should come out as stable in the first part of 2010. | 16:55 |
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| +bartjol | that is a quote | 16:55 |
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| SquOnk | Ok | 16:56 |
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| +bartjol | ask perldreamer later | 16:56 |
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| SquOnk | I'm thinking Debian Squeeze. The freeze is supposed to happen in March. 7.7.32 is already in Debian Sid so having 7.8 would be great | 16:57 |
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| SynQ | is the amount of years you differ to the age of JT a good age indication? | 16:58 |
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| +bartjol | ah, well, the we can only hope that "the first part of 2010" is in februari | 17:01 |
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| +bartjol | ah perlDreameris there already a better timing for "the first part of 2010"? | 17:11 |
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| +bartjol | morning | 17:12 |
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| +bartjol | SquOnk wants to try to get 7.8 in the next debian before the freeze | 17:12 |
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| +bartjol | or do we have to bother pb guys about the stable declaration | 17:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | when is the freeze? | 17:22 |
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| +bartjol | march | 17:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think we'll make that. It depends on how many old bugs we get fixed, and if we can stay on top of the new ones. | 17:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | WRE and webgui.org and helpdesk bugs don't count | 17:30 |
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| +bartjol | ok, but maybe it's best to communicate with Squonk about it | 17:32 |
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| +bartjol | I'm just a messenger now | 17:32 |
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| +bartjol | my finger is not deep (if at all) in debian's porridge | 17:33 |
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| +bartjol | and Koen asks you to stop releasing so frequently, he didn't give any reason. I'm just the mailserver. bug fixing should be good | 17:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | we slowed down to every other week, that's already pretty slow | 17:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ: come and explain why every other week is too quick for a release schedule | 17:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | gotta run kids to school, be back in a bit | 17:45 |
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| SynQ | perlDreamer: I would just have more time to keep up with you | 17:48 |
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| SynQ | who needs a new version any two weeks anyway :P | 17:49 |
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| SynQ | once every 2 months should be enough for everybody | 17:50 |
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| SynQ | that will give me time to wait for my new gadgets | 17:51 |
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| SynQ | I need to get my Prius, but it is being delayed due to the break issue | 17:51 |
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| SynQ | I need to get my new iPhone, but it is being delayed due to the subscription not expired yet | 17:52 |
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| +bartjol | yeah, waiting is a labourous activity | 17:52 |
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| SDuensin | Ooo - Prius. Gotta love a hackable car. :-) | 17:53 |
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| SynQ | unstoppable car ;) | 17:53 |
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| * SDuensin has the big brother version... a Highlander hybrid. | 17:54 |
| SDuensin | It may kill me with a random bug, but so far, I love the thing! | 17:54 |
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| SynQ | hmm | 17:54 |
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| SynQ | I don't think that is available in europe | 17:54 |
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| SDuensin | Was hard to get in the USA when I bought it. They shipped mine from Tokyo! | 17:55 |
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| * SynQ has a 2010 prius on order | 17:55 |
| * SynQ has gotta take his BMW home now :) | 17:56 |
| SynQ | I'll be back in a few hours to feed perlDreamer some more crap | 17:56 |
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| +bartjol | poor pd | 17:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: are map point info windows drawn by WebGUI, or Google? | 18:23 |
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| +bartjol | ah, the text breaking bug | 18:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, finally got enough info to duplicate it | 18:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | as far as I can tell, these come right from Google | 18:27 |
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| +bartjol | ah | 18:31 |
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| +bartjol | I haven't seen it before either | 18:31 |
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| +bartjol | almost thought something with picture dependancy | 18:31 |
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| +bartjol | but I haven't looked into it that far, just not started talking crap with vague suspicions | 18:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | there's no picture in this case, it's almost like some kind of width setting issue with URLs and long words that don't break | 18:36 |
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| +bartjol | the total width is set in the html | 18:43 |
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| +bartjol | but that's how far I came | 18:43 |
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| +bartjol | busy busy | 18:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, but the HTML is autogenerated by Google, I believe | 18:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh, this is a real bug | 18:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's not a rendering problem | 18:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | the URL is being truncated somehow | 18:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | when it is submitted, the submitter sees everything okay, but if the page is reloaded, or another user comes along and edits the point, the URL is truncated to 23 characters | 18:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh, that is just evil and wrong! | 18:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | the website field is 22 characters long in the db. I miscounted the length by 1. | 18:52 |
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| +bartjol | well, you found the cause | 18:53 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r24c7b5a / (2 files in 2 dirs): Increase the size of MapPoint fields so data is not truncated. Fixes bug #11394 - http://bit.ly/bjCu5C | 19:03 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd41b589 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Increase the size of MapPoint fields so data is not truncated. Fixes bug #11394 - http://bit.ly/9JzRej | 19:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | and it's fixed | 19:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | bartjol, I've been feeling your pain | 19:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | I've done remodeling projects the last two weekends in a row | 19:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | and probably have about 4 hours more work on Saturday | 19:09 |
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| +bartjol | remodelling is just beginning to get painfull when people don't ask anymore whether how it's coming along | 19:11 |
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| +bartjol | the terrible silence | 19:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's taking so long, though | 19:14 |
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| +bartjol | ah just ordered tickets for the neurotic deathfest concert | 19:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | and you don't offer updates | 19:14 |
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| +bartjol | well, i can shower at home | 19:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, the neurotic deathfest | 19:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | Starring perlDreamer and the WebGUI 8 Hack Team | 19:14 |
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| +bartjol | i can't give an update for every tile i attached to the wall | 19:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | Arguing ad extremis is considered bad form, my boy | 19:16 |
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| +bartjol | well, I have to start somewhere | 19:18 |
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| +bartjol | but somewhere next week, all the tiles may be on my walls, and some people are going to give me prices for replacing my concrete floor | 19:19 |
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| +bartjol | not all tiles, not in the toilet yet | 19:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | bathroom? | 19:20 |
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| +bartjol | yes | 19:20 |
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| +bartjol | so where my shower, washing machine and wash bowl is | 19:20 |
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| +bartjol | so I can shower AND shave | 19:20 |
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| +bartjol | and do laundry (when my electricity there is installed) | 19:21 |
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| +bartjol | I hope that was enough update for now, but didn't kathy showed the pictures of my shower? | 19:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't think so. I'll have her do that tonight | 19:23 |
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| +bartjol | she said to me she liked the shower | 19:23 |
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| +bartjol | http://www.bartjol.nl/home/fotoalbums/fortos/shower-finished | 19:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | wow! Nice tile work, bartjol | 19:25 |
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| +bartjol | not that many pictures, and on their side, but still | 19:25 |
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| +bartjol | yeah, lot off work | 19:25 |
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| +bartjol | but I'm happy with it | 19:25 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rc633103 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Update the ZipArchive for Moose. - http://bit.ly/cviLFh | 19:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: what do you think about using Moose delegation to handle Keywords? | 19:59 |
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| @Haarg | seems reasonable | 20:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | the only issue I see is the $asset->get('keywords'), since in that case we want to map a call to $asset->keywords to $asset->keywords->getKeywordsForAsset | 20:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | rather, $asset->getKeywordsForAsset | 20:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | but I can do that with around, I think | 20:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | but the instanciator is a problem | 20:11 |
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| @preaction | which instantiator? | 20:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | the one that the delegator should build for WebGUI::Keyword | 20:13 |
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| @preaction | has 'keywords' => ( default => sub { WebGUI::Keyword->new( $_[0]->session, $_[0]->getId ); }, lazy => 1 ); | 20:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | that looks like it's been pasted from WebGUIX :) | 20:14 |
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| @preaction | it hasn't. WebGUIx would be: __PACKAGE__->has_many( "keywords", "WebGUIx::Asset::Keyword" ); | 20:15 |
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| @preaction | (DBIC) | 20:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll see how that works with the delegation stuff | 20:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, did you also alter Keywords so that it would take an optional asset in the instanciator? | 20:23 |
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| @preaction | no | 20:24 |
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| @preaction | but since I hate the keywords API we have, i'm going to end up rewriting it | 20:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | I would suggest using hash based args, instead of hashrefs | 20:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | since Moose delegation and currying won't handle stuffing hashrefs, from what I'm seeing | 20:25 |
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| @preaction | no, but also the method names are horrible, you should use the delegation to fix that probably | 20:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | again, I can't, since I can't curry in the asset argument to those horribly named methods | 20:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'd have to change the API for Keyword | 20:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | which is legal, but more work | 20:26 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rc3b554e / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : added changelog for code editor bugfixen - http://bit.ly/biFxrW | 22:25 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r4bf4391 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : added code editor fixes to changelog - http://bit.ly/afQr9m | 22:27 |
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| * SynQ hugs perlDreamer | 23:19 |
| * perlDreamer would hug back, but I'm doing some emergency bug fixing | 23:19 |
| SynQ | see | 23:22 |
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| SynQ | that is what you get when you put out a lot of releases :P | 23:22 |
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| --- Day changed Thu Feb 11 2010 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, let's debate release frequency | 00:11 |
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| @preaction | we should never release | 00:11 |
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| @preaction | released software always has bugs in it | 00:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | unreleased software doesn't? | 00:11 |
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| @preaction | no, it does, but if it's unreleased people don't care | 00:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ: ping | 00:12 |
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| SynQ | piong | 00:15 |
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| SynQ | preaction: good plan | 00:15 |
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| @preaction | yay! my inbox is clean again! I can work on WebGUI 8 for the first time in 3 months! | 00:15 |
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| SynQ | yay! | 00:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | didn't we have this discussion, about 2 years ago, where we weren't releasing often enough? | 00:20 |
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| @preaction | probably | 00:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | then we went to weeklies | 00:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | and weekly didn't work for Debian, so we slowed down to every other week | 00:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think that no matter what we do someone is going to be unhappy | 00:21 |
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| SynQ | perlDreamer: I'm just trying to get you in the harness | 00:21 |
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| SynQ | that is very true | 00:21 |
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| SynQ | but I am happy | 00:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | so, I do have a solution for this | 00:21 |
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| SynQ | I'm just not able to keep up with the releases | 00:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | we do what preaction says, and stop releasing software | 00:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | if people want it, we have a public git repository | 00:21 |
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| SynQ | uh | 00:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | they can pull anytime they want | 00:21 |
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| SynQ | that won't work | 00:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | you can cherry pick bug fixes, skip features | 00:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | take all or none on your own schedule | 00:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | to compensate for that, all commits will require a successful run of the test suite | 00:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | otherwise it will be rejected | 00:22 |
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| SynQ | ah :) | 00:22 |
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| SynQ | so we will do minutly releases then | 00:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, no releases | 00:23 |
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| SynQ | every commit will be a release | 00:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | potentially, but you don't have to take it | 00:23 |
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| SynQ | hehe | 00:23 |
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| SynQ | well | 00:23 |
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| SynQ | I'm basically on that schedule for the WRE | 00:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | actually, who says that you have to install every release, SynQ? | 00:23 |
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| SynQ | nobody | 00:23 |
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| @preaction | oh, wait, i gotta fix a Wg7 bug before i can work on wg8... blast! | 00:23 |
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| SynQ | but I want to reward your hard work by using the releases | 00:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have to support people using 6.8, it will not offend me at all if you do not install every releaes | 00:24 |
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| SynQ | and it makes me feel sad not being able to | 00:24 |
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| * perlDreamer suspectes that a Dutch chop-busting is going on... | 00:24 |
| SynQ | with you working so hard on it and all | 00:24 |
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| @preaction | who are you supporting running 6.8? | 00:25 |
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| @preaction | none of our clients, i hope | 00:25 |
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| SynQ | client is a big word | 00:25 |
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| @preaction | it's also a 4-letter word | 00:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, but it's also a 5-letter word. Money | 00:26 |
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| SynQ | it's probably and e-tla | 00:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | no clients == no cash | 00:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | and no cash means perlDreamer has to go back to slinging silicon again | 00:26 |
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| SynQ | yuck | 00:26 |
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| SynQ | perlDreamer: keep up the good work | 00:27 |
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| SynQ | I'm going to catch some nice dreams about pearl white cars | 00:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ, I don't suppose you'd do some 7.8 testing for us, would you? | 00:28 |
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| SynQ | with brakes that work | 00:28 |
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| SynQ | perlDreamer: what kind of testing? | 00:28 |
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| SynQ | you want me to find even more bugs | 00:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | we're close to 7.8-stabl | 00:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes! | 00:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | please, let's find them now, instead of after the release | 00:28 |
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| SynQ | but then preaction won't be able to work on wg88 | 00:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll fix bugs | 00:28 |
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| SynQ | oh | 00:28 |
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| SynQ | I'd love to | 00:29 |
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| SynQ | but I have to go and lie in bed with my wife who is ill | 00:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh, yeah | 00:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | go do that | 00:29 |
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| SynQ | sorry | 00:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | what did you do to make her ill? | 00:29 |
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| SynQ | I did nothing wrong | 00:29 |
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| SynQ | I swear I didn't | 00:29 |
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| SynQ | it's the bad weather and her mother | 00:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | please tell her that Kathy and I will pray for her | 00:30 |
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| SynQ | she threw up in the hallway last monday | 00:30 |
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| SynQ | I will | 00:30 |
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| SynQ | hope that helps | 00:30 |
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| SynQ | do pray for her mother too then, whe need her too | 00:31 |
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| SynQ | Tessa was terrified when her mother fell to the ground after throwing up | 00:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | 1 prayer 4-pack coming up, since little Emma should not get the throwing up either | 00:31 |
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| SynQ | I have never heared such a panicky scream | 00:32 |
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| SynQ | I think Tessa thought she was going to die or something | 00:32 |
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| SynQ | but I know her mother is a though one | 00:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | and Tessa got sick, too? | 00:33 |
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| SynQ | yups | 00:33 |
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| SynQ | today | 00:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | oy | 00:33 |
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| SynQ | I had to pick her up when she was halfway on her way home | 00:33 |
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| SynQ | it's snowing badly here | 00:33 |
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| SynQ | she was really glad I did pick her up | 00:33 |
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| SynQ | so tomorrow I will be nursing both my daughter, wife and dog | 00:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's nice that you have the option to work from home in emergencies | 00:38 |
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| SynQ | indeed | 00:39 |
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| SynQ | I would be very unhappy if I wouldn't have that option | 00:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | are JS regular expressions as greedy as Perl regexen? | 00:44 |
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| SynQ | dunno | 00:44 |
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| SynQ | now I'm going to bed for real | 00:45 |
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| SynQ | nite nite | 00:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | good night, my friend | 00:45 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: yes | 00:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | then this gobbles: /<[^>]*>/g | 00:46 |
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| @preaction | it gobbles what i want it to gobble | 00:46 |
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| @preaction | <, any character that is not a >, and > | 00:46 |
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| @preaction | oh, we're not working on the same problem | 00:47 |
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| @preaction | are we? | 00:47 |
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| * perlDreamer is trying to help, but I should probably stick with wg8 | 00:47 |
| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r5494a36 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Shelf.pm : Remove filter calls in Shelf when importing. - http://bit.ly/aq4jBv | 00:48 |
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| @preaction | no, please, i can't figure this out | 00:48 |
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| @preaction | i can't even reproduce it anymore for some reason | 00:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | IE8 on XP | 00:48 |
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| @preaction | okay, i'll try that | 00:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | sorry, IE7 on XP | 00:49 |
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| @preaction | IE7 works for me | 00:49 |
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| @preaction | IE6 too | 00:49 |
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| * perlDreamer will try again | 00:54 |
| @preaction | HOLY CRAP it just did it! | 00:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | are you using the realyLongLine file? | 00:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | it breaks for me every time | 00:55 |
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| @preaction | yeah, i | 00:55 |
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| @preaction | m | 00:55 |
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| @preaction | thinking it was because i copy/pasted from an existing code editor instead of the original text | 00:56 |
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| @preaction | or maybe because i copy/pasted from a web browser, where things were already escaped | 00:56 |
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| @preaction | damnit, why did it have to be IE? it's impossible to debug things quickly in IE... | 00:57 |
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| @preaction | it's happening before the highlight routines | 01:00 |
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| @preaction | it happens whether or not there's a space after the </a>, but putting a space there changes what happens | 01:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | strange that it only works for pasting | 01:02 |
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| @preaction | i have a theory: what if the YUI Editor is doing something to the pasted stuff | 01:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | if that is true, then we can check the carousel | 01:03 |
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| @preaction | it might be necessary for the normal Editor, but wrong for the code editor, but do check | 01:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm reinstalling IE7 right now | 01:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | this thing is slower than frozen whale snot | 01:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | 2 reboots to install IE7 | 01:17 |
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| @preaction | nice | 01:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | carousel seems to work okay | 01:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | Pasting only the last little bit causes the problem to show up | 01:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | <a href="http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/">Home</a> | 01:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | try this | 01:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | paste the line above | 01:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | then hit enter two time | 01:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | then paste again | 01:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | and each newline will show up as $1 | 01:29 |
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| @preaction | different bug, i cleaned out some old code and missed it | 01:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | you can undo it | 01:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | if you paste, then hit Ctrl-Z, it will undo the brokeness | 01:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | that is some nasty predistort | 01:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | I see what you mean about it happening before the highlight | 01:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | the code gets all wierded up, then the highlight code breaks it | 01:37 |
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| @preaction | it is something to do with the highlight, i moved the highlight code from keyup to beforeeditorkeydown | 01:40 |
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| @preaction | and now i paste, and everything appears fine, then i hit enter and it breaks | 01:40 |
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| @preaction | when i put target="_blank" after the href="" in the home tag, it doesn't break | 01:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | for me, it's still broken if we extend SimpleEditor instead of Editor | 01:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | but it's less JS... | 01:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's the link highlighting code | 01:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | in the core editor | 01:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's inserting stuff that's bunging up the highlighter | 01:47 |
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| @preaction | what line? | 01:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't know. I went to dev.yahoo.com and tried some of their examples | 01:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | and then I noticed that the link underlining is in exactly the same place as the broken code inserted by the editor before the highlighting | 01:48 |
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| @preaction | and it happens there too? | 01:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, but differently | 01:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | can we disable link underlining/detection? | 01:48 |
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| @preaction | if yui is putting in links, it must be putting in some of its own markup | 01:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | and that's what's messing up the highlighting (IMO) | 01:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | I pasted in <a href="http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu">Home</a> | 01:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | and it underlined everything from http:// all the way to the end of the closing anchor tag | 01:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll take some screenshots and paste them up somewhere. | 01:54 |
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| @preaction | i see that too, when i paste using the menu instead of Ctrl+V | 01:55 |
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| @preaction | it's the _fixNodes method in simpleeditor | 01:59 |
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| @preaction | before the yui editor does anything to the text, we need to escape the HTML, agreed? | 02:00 |
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| @preaction | nope, nm, not _fixNodes | 02:07 |
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| @preaction | it's _nodeChange, or something called by it | 02:15 |
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| @preaction | nope, not that either. they're both overridden and no change | 02:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://yuilibrary.com/projects/yui2/ticket/2082723 | 02:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: that first link was interesting, this one is the answer http://yuilibrary.com/projects/yui2/ticket/2528548 | 02:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | dav: " Setting to future, pasting into the Editor is not supported. " | 02:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | if it works at all, it must be accidental | 02:48 |
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| @preaction | "pasting into the Editor is not supported." | 02:48 |
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| @preaction | fuck | 02:48 |
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| @preaction | but yes, that is the problem | 02:49 |
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| @preaction | i'll mark it waiting on external, then i'll see about fixing the bug in YUI. this is not an acceptable bug... | 02:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | that bug is about pasting from the Editor into the Editor, but still, this is close enough | 02:50 |
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| @preaction | so we are where we started really, there's still a bug that needs fixing, it just won't prevent us from going stable... | 02:50 |
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| @preaction | oh, this might not be the same problem | 02:51 |
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| @preaction | at least, that problem is easy to fix | 02:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't see any show stopper bugs on the list now. | 02:56 |
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| @preaction | i'm thinking now that it's actually IE doing this | 03:10 |
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| @preaction | when it inserts HTML elements, they're upper-case | 03:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | I opened up a bug for it on their site: http://yuilibrary.com/projects/yui2/ticket/2528789 | 03:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | all the HTML elements I"m seeing on IE7 are still lower case | 03:15 |
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| @preaction | you have to get the HTML before the highlighter gets to it | 03:15 |
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| @preaction | let me start up a logging instance, i've been doing alert() bs, and IE doesn't let you copy/paste from alerts | 03:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | but we wrote the highlighter | 03:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | that shouldn't be a problem at all | 03:16 |
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| @preaction | i'll paste what IE does to the html. turning it back into text right away actually works, but highlighting what it does to the html doesn't work | 03:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe the SimpleEditor is not the right "tool" to build this on top of | 03:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | but I'm not about to suggest that to Dav ;) | 03:18 |
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| @preaction | eh, i think the editor needs a ground-up rewrite to be honest | 03:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | Gooey makes a very good cable management tool | 03:21 |
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| @preaction | http://gist.github.com/301096 <- this is what IE did | 03:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, although you can duplicate the bug with the smaller snippet: <a href="http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/">Home</a> | 03:30 |
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| @preaction | yes, and even smaller. i think it's the www., or http://, or something.something.{com|net|org|edu|gov} | 03:30 |
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| @preaction | if it can be detected, it can be worked around | 03:31 |
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| @preaction | oh, duh. if the highlighted text contains an <A ... /A>... | 03:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe, if we had a way to turn off the Editor and turn it back into a text area, then it would safe to paste? | 03:32 |
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| @preaction | but why? i mean, i'm going to add one anyway, but why do it just to work around a bug? | 03:34 |
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| @preaction | right now we just remove the actual tags, leaving the content between the tags | 03:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | because in the short term, I think it would be the workaround for ALL bugs | 03:34 |
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| @preaction | problem here: IE is adding a full <A> CONTENT </A> tag | 03:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | just turn it off | 03:34 |
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| @preaction | what other bugs are there? | 03:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | turning off the editor would have addressed the focus bug | 03:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't think we've used the Code Editor enough to really shake it out yet | 03:35 |
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| @preaction | oh, that focus bug | 03:36 |
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| @preaction | if we give users a workaround, they'll always use it, but worse: They'll never report the problems | 03:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | true | 03:37 |
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| @preaction | it's incredible to me, but apparently people don't like reporting problems | 03:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's just laziness | 03:37 |
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| @preaction | anyway, imma post a diff, could you verify? | 03:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah | 03:38 |
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| @preaction | http://gist.github.com/301110 | 03:38 |
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| @preaction | nm, doesn't work. works for the small one, but not the big example | 03:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's a start | 03:41 |
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| @preaction | it's because for some reason the ">Home is put into the URL unescaped... | 03:42 |
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| @preaction | you know, this wouldn't be so difficult if IE actually added VALID HTML FOR GOD'S SAKE | 03:45 |
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| @preaction | <a href="<A href='http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/">Home</a></div'>http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/">Home</a> <- i need to change that to <a href="<A href='http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/">Home</a></div'>http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/">Home</a> | 03:47 |
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| @preaction | href=(['"]).*?\1 <- would do it in Perl, but can't seem to do it in JS | 03:48 |
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| @preaction | oh, wait, right, before that i can't do that (it will nest "", thus creating completely broken HTML no matter what) | 03:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | it wants to become | 03:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | <a href="<A href='http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/'>http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/">Home</a> | 03:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | uh, getting closer | 03:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | <a href="<A href='http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/'>http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/</A>">Home</a> | 03:52 |
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| @preaction | so what i want is <A .+? >anything</A> | 03:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | single quotes work fine in the short snippet | 03:58 |
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| @preaction | ... i'm going to have to actually parse this... | 04:00 |
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| @preaction | that's the real problem: i'm parsing HTML with regular expressions | 04:01 |
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| @preaction | HA! I think I got it now | 04:22 |
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| @preaction | but it's a much much bigger patch | 04:22 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: Try this diff and let me know? http://gist.github.com/301132 | 04:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: excelsior! | 04:33 |
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| @preaction | it works? | 04:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | both the small snippet and long snippet work | 04:33 |
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| @preaction | yay! now to make it more sane | 04:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | hold on | 04:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | negative, the long one does not work | 04:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, it did | 04:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | stoopid Notepad | 04:36 |
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| @preaction | whew | 04:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | that works, just drop an entire HTML parser into it | 04:37 |
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| @preaction | yep! | 04:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | not it will only break for CSS, JS XML and other stuff :) | 04:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | be back later tonight | 04:38 |
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| @preaction | but IE doesn't add extra CSS, JS, or XML | 04:38 |
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