WebGUI irc logs from: 2010-02.log

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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r457652f / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.35-7.7.17.pl : Make better diagnostics for Revert use packed. - http://bit.ly/cFMSJM04:51
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ckotilHas tehre been any progress adding/editing/updating file assets from within the richeditor?18:42
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+perlDreameraccording to patspam's facebook, he got his VISA yesterday!19:11
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carograyhi - why and where would you use two ; in a snippet?21:53
carograythat is two semicolons21:54
@Haargsemicolons don't do anything special in snippets, it depends on what the snippet is used for21:58
@Haargmacros are the only thing that snippets handle but they are processed pretty much the same as anywhere else in the system.22:00
carograyDiona sent me (through rfe) some code for a snippet http://webgui.pastebin.com/d6ced3cc I am wondering what the double semicolons are doing22:04
@Haargthe first one is part of the macro call22:07
@Haargthe second is part of the query string in the link22:08
carograyaha. ok thanks,I just wasn't sure. 22:11
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carograyI need a refresher on templating language. I want to create intro txt for different variables depending on whether the variable is there or not. I have one for two variables, http://webgui.pastebin.com/m79278219, but what how do I do tmpl_if s if  want it to say," if created is filled in, say 'created:'" "if updated is filled in, say 'updated:'", "if revised is filled in say, 'revised'", if deleted is filled in say, 'deleted:'" etc. so 23:19
carograyis this one of those things we could use tmpl expressions that someone at the WUC was talking about where we could use Case statements - vague memory....23:20
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rf4d9c2c / (6 files in 6 dirs): Only users who canAdminister the parent wiki are allowed to purge revisions of a wiki page. Fixes bug #11377 - http://bit.ly/9zcBhL00:48
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie master * racc6447 / (6 files in 6 dirs): Only users who canAdminister the parent wiki are allowed to purge revisions of a wiki page. Fixes bug #11377 - http://bit.ly/aEoQG900:51
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfc9e115 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Autocommit tags created when making shortcuts in the Gallery (cross publishing). Fixes bug #11378 - http://bit.ly/d4zCwf03:02
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5ba8eb4 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Autocommit tags created when making shortcuts in the Gallery (cross publishing). Fixes bug #11378 - http://bit.ly/9qZ7W503:02
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r046ef0f / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm : Update POD. - http://bit.ly/c3Lo4D04:37
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfb49a14 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Update POD. - http://bit.ly/9ziKIE04:41
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elninois there a secret in being able to search for "blog.rss" on the asset search?06:56
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+bartjolperlDreamer: you know whether there is a function to delete old, committed version tags to clean up tables and have a "fresh" restart? I don believe it is default functionality, but maybe you?e heard of something like it16:51
+perlDreamerwgd will do it16:51
+perlDreamerwgd reset --clear, perhaps?16:51
+bartjolah, cool16:51
+bartjoldunno, I only have it installed on my laptop, which is at home16:52
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+bartjollet? use my testserver, thanks16:52
+perlDreameryes, it is --clear16:53
+perlDreamerwgd reset --clear16:54
+perlDreameror wgd reset -d will also do it, since -d  is --backup --clear --debug --upgrade --uploads16:54
+perlDreamerbut it will nuke everything below /home16:54
+perlDreameroh -d also has --import16:55
+bartjolah, I don wanna throw everything away16:57
+bartjollet? test a clear then16:58
+bartjolgrrr keyboard settings16:58
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rfc096d2 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm): Fix bad path to a YUI JS library. Fixes bug #11387 - http://bit.ly/9oXaPR16:59
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3570411 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm): Fix bad path to a YUI JS library. Fixes bug #11387 - http://bit.ly/d2JjVt16:59
+perlDreamerHey, SD.16:59
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+bartjolmm that clear options sounds rigorous, I don wanna remove content. glad that I rtfm'd17:15
+perlDreamerbartjol, there's always Manage Committed Version Tags, from the Version Tags admin console option17:16
+perlDreamertha will let you delete committed content, too17:16
+perlDreamerbut only one at a time17:16
+bartjolmm and you have to check each version tag, whether it has got the newest version, and then have to preserve that17:17
+perlDreamerthey're listed in order of commit date, so just from top down17:20
+bartjolI I think I explained incorrectly. I wanna freeze the site as is (so keeping all current content and open version tags), but remove old versions of assets17:22
+bartjolthis function clears to much17:23
+perlDreamerhave a look at wgd reset --purge17:24
+bartjolthe purge sounds nice, it calls purge_old_revisions, but I also can call you Sue17:24
+bartjollet? read some code17:24
+perlDreameryou can call me Betty, and I'll call you Al17:27
+perlDreameralthough, given current circumstances, I'd probably call you Bob the Builder17:28
+bartjoldid make some water piping, put it all in the wall and covered the holes up again this weekend17:28
+bartjolso more tiling coming up soon17:29
SDuensinperlDreamer: Thanks.  Now that is stuck in my head.17:35
+bartjolI have some tools against that SDuensin, crowbars, sledgehammers, etc17:36
+bartjolI? not threatening, I want to help you17:36
SDuensinMe too - Radio Margaritaville!17:37
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r4089e39 / t/Asset/permissions.t : Peel out permissions testing from t/Asset/Asset.t into a separate test. - http://bit.ly/bryOCR18:17
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chatito28Good morning i have a quick question, my site get really stop at ramdom times, the only way to speed it up to normal when this happens is by restarting all modperl service, does anybody has any ideas?18:58
chatito28i have tweak the modperl.conf to add more servers18:58
chatito28i see no errors or nothing that can give me any hints18:59
ckotilAny progress on mounting a network drive to your PC then drag and drop assets into webgui?19:00
+perlDreamerckotil, that would be WGFS, and it just needs a programmer to take the prototype code and finish it19:10
+perlDreamerchatito28, adding more servers won't always help, especially if you run out of memory19:10
* perlDreamer heads to the gym, and will be back later19:11
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chatito28perldreamer i would understand that but i have more than enough memory plus when i check the current use when this event happens and it's got plenty to use.19:35
chatito28i made a change in modperl.conf as instructed by tech support by should i make the change in modproxy.conf as well?19:42
ckotilperlDreamer: Interesting. is the prototype code available to public on teh dev site?19:46
@Haargckotil, http://github.com/plainblack/wgfs19:48
@Haargchatito28, making a similar change the modproxy config is unlikely to have any effect19:48
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ckotili hackishly did something similiar a while ago. apache webdav + cronjob to import assets. the resulting implementation wasn't fast enough for people to use19:54
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SquOnkTypo in sbin/userImport  "overriden"21:24
SquOnkperlDreamer: Typo in sbin/userImport  "overriden"21:32
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+perlDreamerSquOnk, surely someone with git access could fix that? :)22:36
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6b90610 / sbin/userImport.pl : Fix POD typo - http://bit.ly/cVj7Zi22:37
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r29e5857 / sbin/userImport.pl : Fix POD typo - http://bit.ly/caFsjZ22:38
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+perlDreamerso it turns out that if you have a dataform on a Page, that it serves up the same CAPTCHA multiple times23:45
@preactioni will work on bugs, but i have to do support first23:46
+perlDreamerand I don't see any way around it, without compromising the Slashdot/burst protection23:47
+perlDreameryou have to instanciate all the assets in order to query them23:47
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dionakperlDreamer, I see you expanded the SiteIndex test. Thanks for getting that feature incorporated into core. 01:08
+perlDreameryou're welcome.  The SiteIndex should not be displaying hidden pages01:08
+perlDreamerby default, anyway01:08
+perlDreamerand using the config file like you suggested is a nice way to grandfather in the old behavior01:09
@Haargi wish mod_rewrite would let you return specific http codes instead of just some of them01:09
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dionaki'm glad that worked out. how did you do on your recent campaign to get some help with writing tests?01:10
+perlDreamerLuke Robinson from the UK has written several.01:10
+perlDreamerBart Jol wrote a couple01:10
+perlDreamerI gave away about 5000 karma in December and January01:11
+perlDreamerbut earned it all back doing forum postings and bug fixes01:11
dionakyou probably have a lot. ;)01:11
dionakplenty enough to give some away01:11
+perlDreamerwould you like to earn some? :)01:11
dionakI thought I was earning it already. ;)01:12
dionakI'd like to say yes but it doesn't look like I'm going to have any spare time in the near future. We're looking to add a developer these days and I'm working on internet marketing in addition to other duties.01:13
dionakBtw, did I tell you the site you helped us with is live?01:14
+perlDreamerNo, that's great!01:14
+perlDreamerI still think rap music when I read that01:14
dionakthe application and market pages are driven by Thingy01:14
dionakyou just dated yourself. 01:14
dionakas did I01:15
dionakBack to tests, I just keep submitted as I have been...as I'm working on something 01:16
dionakI have our developers do the same01:16
+perlDreamerI've been working on WebGUI 8, and the tests have been invaluable01:19
+perlDreamerthey also point out that there's still a lot of untested code in the core01:19
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dionakIt's helpful to have examples, from this point of view, so we can create tests and submit. 01:22
dionakGenerally, I'm basing tests on what is already in the codebase. 01:22
dionakbtw, carogrey is using a package I made out of some code for a site. Basically, it's a 'send to a friend' email feature. Is that a feature in WebGUI atm? She's exposed an issue that occurs when the PageTitle macro is called in admin mode. It returns a href instead of the page title. 01:23
dionakI'm wondering if that package is now a feature. 01:24
dionakAs a content manager, she's loving the feature. 01:25
@preactiondionak: post it as an RFE if it's not already, if you guys can do it we can put it in 7.901:25
dionakany idea why the page title returns a href tho?01:27
dionakthere's already a RFE. http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/1096901:30
dionakShould I reopen or create a new one?01:31
+perlDreamerI read that RFE, and I don't understand what the problem is01:34
+perlDreamerit sounds like there are different problems01:35
@preactionprobably because it's a retarded macro01:35
+perlDreamerin one, PageTitle returns an href whenever an op or func is active01:35
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dionakyes, which is odd considering the name of the macro01:36
+perlDreamerand in the other one, she wants some kind of email this page to a friend feature01:36
@preactionand of course the code has no reason WHY it's returned as a link, so we can't fix it01:36
@preactioni can't wait for WebGUI 901:36
+perlDreamerwhy not change it in 7.9?01:37
@preactionyes, the one after 8 where i get to change everything to do exactly what I want it to do01:37
@preactionperlDreamer: because I don't know why it is the way it is01:37
@preactionsomeone must be relying on this behavior, or had at one point01:37
@preactionfor some people who write webgui code, documentation is to explain what, but never why01:38
+perlDreamerit's from 200201:38
@preactioni don't need to know what, the code tells me what01:38
@preactionwhich means for 8 years people have been relying on this feature. if we "fix" it, people will consider their code that broke a bug01:39
dionakthis is why tests are so critical.01:39
dionaknot to mention "why" in documentation. you have a good point there01:40
+perlDreamerit guess it's a nice feature for using in an email, since that's usually handled by an op or func01:40
+perlDreamerbut I would guess that no one uses that feature01:40
@preactionwe can't guess01:40
@preactionif we were guessing, i'd agree. it's an esoteric and completely useless feature01:41
+perlDreamerit would be nice to have more "why" and less "how and what" in our POD01:46
+perlDreamerdionak: would ^Page('title'); work instead of ^PageTitle(); ?01:47
dionakyes, that would help in this case01:48
+perlDreamerthat only ever returns the title, without any of the funny href business01:48
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dionakwould you like me to make an RFE for that?01:48
@preactionfor which?01:51
+perlDreamerfor changing the behavior of the PageTitle macro, or for putting in an Send this Page's URL to a friend01:51
@preactionfor the documentation thing, well, you're not going to change the dozen devs we have with an RFE01:52
dionakfor passing in the string title to the PageTitle macro to change the behavior (return just the title).01:53
@preactionugh. ugh ugh ugh.01:53
dionakit still doesn't address the long term issue01:53
@preactioni say new RFE: Remove the PageTitle macro01:53
dionakbut it would address the current issue01:53
dionaklet's not. ;)01:53
dionakit's very useful.01:54
@preactioni mean, we have ^Page("title"); works fine01:54
+perlDreamerand in TT, we could even have page.title01:54
+perlDreamerand then we can do page.session.db.dbh.write('delete from myDatabase')01:55
@preactionin TT i have plans to phase out macros completely for an alternative, but later01:55
@preactionyeah, not that01:55
@preactionDO YOU NOT TRUST ME?01:55
dionakoh, so I just need to change to Page('title')01:55
@preactionno altering anything permanent in templates01:55
@preactionbad juju01:55
@preactionand if you need a SQL query, we have SQLReport, included via [INCLUDE assetId(whatever)]01:56
dionakok, i'll try that tomorrow. In the sql report, would params still be passed through?01:57
@preactionin my perfect world, no01:58
dionakhm. 01:58
+perlDreamerwhy not, preaction?01:58
dionakwe would need someway to pass them. 01:58
@preactionbecause form params are for the page you're currently on01:58
dionakthe sql report would be on that page, no?01:58
+perlDreamerI think he means Page Layout, versus SQL Report01:58
@preactionright, i mean like how AssetProxy works, like on a style template01:59
+perlDreamerit's back to the Asset focus debate01:59
@preactionthe pn=3 problem01:59
+perlDreamerwhich is why we now have really ugly pn query param names02:00
+perlDreamerpeople want the Page Layout to "frame" content transparently, instead of including it02:00
@preactionbut people also want to include content and have form parameters affect it02:00
dionaki see your challenge02:01
@preactionheh, that's an EASY challenge: one people get what they want, other do not.02:01
dionakyes, i see. not passing params would break some of our sites. 02:02
dionaklike midwest heart02:02
dionakbut if there was an alternative, it could be implemented. 02:02
dionakpart of our challenge is avoiding having to create many pages for a functionality. 02:03
dionakit increases costs02:03
dionakthat's one of the benefits we are receiving from params being passed through02:03
dionakbenefit = reduced development cost02:03
dionakbut that might be minimal depending on the details. will have to give it some thought. 02:04
@preactionagain in my perfect world it would be easier to develop for webgui, as it would all be based on a common Perl ORM (DBIx::Class) and there would be helper methods that could take queries and build templates for you02:04
@preactioni've started this project at http://github.com/preaction/modern-webgui02:05
dionaki'm struck by the very few requirements02:06
dionakis that just b/c it is newly created?02:06
@preactionwell, it also requires WebGUI02:06
@preactionthose are just the extra requirements02:07
@preactionbut as i reimplement the rest of the webgui stack, i imagine many requirements will go away02:07
dionak'just' is always a red flag for me. ;)02:07
@preactionmainly because templates aren't a plugin point anymore, and other stuff. using best-of-breed stuff to do things (because they didn't exist when webgui was initially created)02:08
dionaki'll be interested to hear what you discover. are you doing this on your own or as part of PB R&D?02:08
@preactionpersonal project, which is why it's taking so long02:09
@preactioni've got an almost-reimplemented WebGUI asset02:09
@preactionit's just got a couple bugs before it can be released02:09
@preactionbut it's compatible with 7.x and when 8.x is released it will be compatible with that too02:09
@preactionthat or there will be a WebGUI::Content handler to load WebGUIx::Assets02:09
dionakit's getting late here. Thanks for the conversation and pointer. Talk to you guys soon. 02:15
+perlDreamertime for me to cook dinner, bbiaw for 7.8 release02:16
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@preactionand why in nether hell do we have a PerlSetVar WebguiRoot in the apache config IF IT IS NOT USED IN preload.perl?02:56
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra42b7dd / t/Asset/WikiPage/permissions.t : Turn off notifications for the test. - http://bit.ly/9RbhVP04:01
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elninono no no!05:49
elninoI had a style sheet, that I was reordering so it was at the top, and then it's order number became "null" and I thought, if I cut it, and paste it back it would get a "order number" and now it's gone from existance....05:50
elninoif I edit it, it's in lala land. Not even under root.06:06
elninonow I can't even add anything to that folder.. If I reindex..... what would happened?06:09
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@preactionelnino: if you "rebuildLineage.pl" (from /data/WebGUI/sbin) it should fix it06:23
elninok I'll try that. I've always reordered things before, I'm a bit surprised this happened. Of course, I can probably never duplicate it either.06:24
elninothanks preaction, I'll try it soon here...06:24
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elninopretty small groups online lately. Is there a holiday going on that I'm missing?06:28
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r636d539 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.8.11 release. - http://bit.ly/cLPuuh06:29
+perlDreamerno, I think people are too busy to hang out on IRC06:32
+perlDreamerelnino, did you see the post on the etc forum from the guy wanting help making a webgui site?06:32
elninoI"ll look though. Thanks perlDreamer!06:33
+perlDreamernot etc, design06:34
elninohmm. is there a way to email this person? I really don't want to put my email up either.. =(06:37
elninooh never mind. found the private messaging.06:38
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re3cbb27 / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : Fix typo in module name. - http://bit.ly/dqmlHb06:39
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elninooh this is sad.. I ran the reindex. The style sheet is in my clipboard, and when I try to paste, it barfs.06:45
* elnino looks at log files.06:45
+perlDreamergood idea :)06:46
elninonothing.. weird.06:48
+perlDreamerwhat's the log level?06:48
+perlDreamermight need to set it to warn, or info and try again06:48
elninoI finally split up all my log files so that I could see better.06:48
+perlDreamerwhich version?06:48
+perlDreamerthat's pretty new06:49
elninowell, now I have a fatal.. setting logs to warn gives me fatal errors? or there must be a delay in reporting....06:51
elnino WebGUI::SQL::ResultSet::execute[137] - Couldn't execute prepared statement: update asset set state='published', stateChangedBy='DQAOfECMOVnAVP6wbu07Lw', stateChanged=1265172620 where assetId in () : With place holders: .  Root cause: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ')' at line 106:51
elninoweird, and I have now a bunch of warns from past dates.. - is that what is supposed to happen>?06:52
+perlDreamerno, that's not supposed to happen06:53
+perlDreamerand that happens when you try to paste the style template06:53
elninothen I'm defaintely seeing things.06:53
elninoit's a snippet. And it stops in the middle of "pasting style.css" in the asset manager. (does that make sense?)06:54
+perlDreamerthat's the Progress Bar screen06:55
+perlDreamerthat error is coming from publish sub, it shouldn't ever happen06:58
+perlDreamerthere should be at least 1 assetId (self)06:59
+perlDreamerwell, okay, maybe there's a bad condition06:59
elninoI wish I could duplicate it.  07:00
+perlDreameryou can't?07:00
elninoit was weird.07:00
+perlDreamerso it did paste in the end07:00
elninonope, it's still in the clipboard forever.07:00
+perlDreamercan you cut and paste it again?07:00
+perlDreamerah, if it's still in the clipboard we can find and fix it07:01
elninoyes, I made a copy of it when it was in lala land.07:01
elninoI can just delete it at this point. I made a new one.07:01
+perlDreamerah, okay07:01
+perlDreameryou might be able to delete it07:01
elninothat worked.07:02
elninoyeah, that was just a weird scenario - I wish I could duplicate it and create a bug report for you.  =)07:03
+perlDreamerfor this one, we'd have to fix it on your site07:03
+perlDreamera bug report wouldn't help much07:03
elninoI can tell you some of what happend. 07:03
elninowell, I hope other things aren't hosed. It started off when I copied the webgui blank style template07:04
elninowhich gave me a  prefetch request body failed error07:04
elninosince I have your attention. =)07:06
elninohow do I get rid of Could not create workflow instance for workflowId 'pbworkflow000000000007' errors?07:06
+perlDreamerrestart spectre07:06
elninoI'll wrte a wiki... It seems I get these alot.07:06
+perlDreamerwe can't find out what causes that bug07:06
+perlDreamerit's very frustrating07:07
+perlDreamerall 4 of us have worked on it for many months07:07
elninoI'll write a wiki anyway. =)07:07
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc3aa44a / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.8.12 development. - http://bit.ly/d1r2lq07:16
elninoso I did restart spectre. two of my sites aren't "connecting" but I did a diff on the conf file, and am not seeing anything07:27
elninoI obviously have a typo somewhere..  Couldn't fetch Spectre configuration data  : malformed JSON string, neither array, object, number, string or atom, at character offset 1 ["<html>n<head>n<title..."] at ../lib/Spectre/Admin.pm line 158.07:28
elninoI'm getting a \ No newline at end of file when I do a diff.07:29
elninowhat's that supposed to mea? they look correct.07:29
+perlDreamermissing newline isn't a problem07:29
+perlDreamerspectre configuration data is data sent from WebGUI to Spectre when it starts up07:29
+perlDreamertry starting spectre by hand, with the --debug on and pipe the output into a file to look at07:30
* perlDreamer needs to crash out.07:31
+perlDreamersee you all tomorrow07:31
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ozysimpsonhello all in the process of installing webgui for the first time08:35
ozysimpsonon a centos machine :-) keeping my fingers crossed 08:35
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CIA-48WebGUI: translation * r12435 /translations/German/German/WebGUIProfile.pm: Updating German on translation server12:09
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carograyI have a question about URLs and domains - having to do with those a records and m records etc. anyone here who can answer that kind of question?15:54
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ckotila records and mx rexcords?15:58
ckotilDNS question. I can try to answer it, and im sure someone else will know the answer in here.15:58
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+bartjolcarogray: what is your question?16:12
carograyah thanks16:12
carograyum.. you can have old.masslegalhelp.org go to one server, and www.masslegalhelp.org go to another server i.e. PlainBlack, but16:13
carograycan you have www.masslegalhelp.org/apply-for-services be hosted on  a different server than all other pages or does it have to be apply.masslegahelp.org?16:14
carograythis isn't actually for our site. i want to host some unique pages for other domains on our server.16:14
carograyckotil: sorry didn't see you responded16:15
ckotilyou will have to add a redirect to www.masslegalhelp.org/apply-for-services redirecting you to apply.masslegalheop.org; but only iff apply.mass.legalhelp.org is on another server.16:26
ckotilif they were the same server, you could still use a redirect, but mod_rewrite is more elegant.16:27
+bartjolah, I see ckot* covers my absence16:31
ckotili just hope i didnt confuse carogray :)16:33
carograyI think my question is not clear.16:34
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ckotilyou can have www.masslegalheolp.org/any-unique-url-here16:35
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carograyI want to put a unique not-a-domain-name-we-have  page on our plainblack server16:35
carograyI think your latest answer is the unique part can only come BEFORE the domain name, not after?16:36
carograyRedirects aren't really the issue16:36
+bartjolwell, if you want another server running stuff, you'll need another subdomain16:37
ckotilif you own masslegalhelp.org you can have anything 'before' (which are subdomains) or 'after' (just part of the URL)16:37
carograyso I wanted to host the MassJusticeProject form so people could apply for services, whilst MassJusticeProject website is on some other server I can only have apply.massjusticeproject.org on PlainBlack server, but not massjusticeproject.org/apply 16:38
carograyMassJusticeProject.org is already a website on some other server somewhere16:38
carograythey own it, they can direct it, but what is physically possible?16:39
ckotilcorrect. they can point apply.massjusticeproject.org to your plainblack server16:39
ckotilOR redirect to your domain via massjusticeproject.org/apply16:39
carograyyes, but in the latter case the user would end up at Masslegalhelp.org/massjusticeproject-apply or something16:40
ckotili dunno if PB supports multiple subdomains for a site. bartjol would have to answer that.16:40
ckotilcarogray: yes they would, so that is less than ideal. yet another option is to use mod_proxy16:40
ckotilbut that gets kind of indepth, and would require a little more work on massjusticeproject's part.16:40
carograyok -  have no idea what mod_proxy is16:40
ckotilbasically you go to their domain/url, and their webserver goes to your site, gets the content, and serves it to the user. so it looks like they are still at massjusticeproject.org16:41
carograyperhaps they can live with apply.massjusticeproject.org ... and perhaps PlainBlack - I am pretty sure they 16:41
carograyoops aah Isee16:41
ckotilso you have a few options16:42
carograyI suspect there is noone over there who has the technical knowhow to do mod_proxy... is that only a webgui thing or is it a web thing?16:42
ckotilits an apache thing. i expect IIS to have a simlliar feature as well16:42
carograyhmmm - well that's all very helpful I will let them know and see what they want to do.16:43
carograythanks so much.16:43
ckotilglad to help16:44
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+bartjolvoor bartjol2.nl en de is_alive jetser zijn er wel andere logs btw, voor die tweede wist je het al, maar dan weet je het17:25
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r4f8ff01 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm : Begin copying labels over from the event edit template into the Moose definition. - http://bit.ly/9r9kUU17:36
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+MrHairgreasei get it17:45
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+perlDreamerhad to drop the kids off at school18:09
+MrHairgreasedid it hurt?18:10
+perlDreamernot me :)18:10
+MrHairgreasethat's the order of things18:10
+perlDreamerDid you ever figure out how to get magical default methods for Moose, MrHairgrease?18:11
+MrHairgreaseoh yeah i found something that did work18:12
+MrHairgreasebut I still don't like it much18:12
+MrHairgreasehang on 18:12
+MrHairgreaseI'll see if I can find it again18:12
+MrHairgreaseI borked my perl install over here18:16
+MrHairgreaseso I'm not sure if this was the actual working example18:17
+MrHairgreasebut the general idea is there18:17
+perlDreamerI thought only Swedish people could bork things18:18
+MrHairgreaseI have a Swedish colleague at Mapper18:18
+MrHairgreasedoesn't that count for something?18:18
+perlDreamerhe must have taught you well ;)18:20
+MrHairgreasehe probably did18:20
+perlDreamerI had some problems with self referencing code inside of around blocks, so be careful18:20
+MrHairgreasealthough he started only two days ago18:20
+MrHairgreaseI'm not gonna use it at all18:20
+MrHairgreaseat least for the time being18:20
+MrHairgreaseI'll just stick to my Chart::Magick::Definition18:21
+MrHairgreaseI need a good method name18:26
+perlDreamerwhat does the method do?18:26
+MrHairgreasethe method in question tells whether or not datapoints that are out of axis range can actually be drawn18:26
+MrHairgreaseso for instance on an x-y graph18:27
+MrHairgreasethe answer is no for both axes18:27
+MrHairgreasebut on a polar coordinate system the answer is yes for the angle18:27
+perlDreamerdoes it check each datapoint, or does it tell you whether or not there are any?18:27
+MrHairgreaseno it just tells the chart plugin whether it should try to rdraw points out of range at all18:28
+MrHairgreaseit just for speedup18:28
+MrHairgreasethe chart plugin does the range checking if it feel like it18:28
+MrHairgreasehmm maybe18:29
+MrHairgreaseI was thinking more in the lines of handlesOutOfRange18:29
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+MrHairgreaseyeah that's better18:29
+MrHairgreaseI think I'll use that one then18:29
+perlDreamerI like handles, too18:29
+MrHairgreasewho doesn't =)18:30
+perlDreamerdo you know how to use git to display a file in another branch, without switching to that branch?18:30
+MrHairgreaseshort answer:18:30
+MrHairgreasemaybe it on google?18:30
+MrHairgreaseor did you already try that18:31
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+perlDreamerI am now that I've been let down18:31
+MrHairgreasebut why not switch to the other branch18:31
+perlDreamerI have uncommitted work, and I'm too lazy to use git stash or git commit18:33
+MrHairgreasethat's real lazy =)18:33
+MrHairgreasehow's the impatience and hubris coming along?18:34
+perlDreamerI'm developing hubris along 2 axes right now18:36
+perlDreamerand I'm loaded with impatience18:36
+perlDreamerthat comes from having kids18:36
+MrHairgreaseI see18:36
+perlDreamergit show REVISION:path/to/file.pm18:36
+MrHairgreaseah ok18:37
+MrHairgreasebut then you need a hash right?18:37
+MrHairgreaseor can you do something like other_branch:HEAD18:37
+perlDreamerI did git show-refs --head18:37
+perlDreamerwhich told me the rev for head18:37
+perlDreamermaster:HEAD:path/to/file would have been great18:38
+perlDreamerI need to sit and read the git user manual some time18:38
+perlDreamermaybe I'll do that before I go running, pick up the kids, clean the house and make dinner18:38
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+MrHairgreaseno dishes?18:39
+perlDreamerthat's part of cleaning the house18:39
+MrHairgreaseno pets?18:41
+perlDreamerthey clean themselves18:42
+MrHairgreasemay you'll have to feed them?18:42
+perlDreamernope, that's the kid's job18:42
+perlDreamersometimes, I delegate cleaning the house to the kids18:42
+perlDreamerbut that doesn't help with the impatience18:42
+MrHairgreasedelegation is a good thing18:42
+MrHairgreaseI read so in the Moose docs18:43
+perlDreamerI need to override a Moose attribute to be read only18:47
+MrHairgreaseuse the + notation18:48
+MrHairgreaseso has +overrideProp ( is => 'ro' )18:49
+MrHairgreasehas '+overrideProp' ( is => 'ro' )18:49
+perlDreameryou can't override "is"18:50
+MrHairgreasethen you're out of luck i think18:50
+perlDreamerI think I'll try our perennial favorite, around18:52
+perlDreamerfrom what I seeing, it's almost never required to override update anymore18:52
+perlDreameryou only have to override individual  properties18:52
+MrHairgreasecool, I learned a new word today!18:53
+perlDreamernew word?18:54
+MrHairgreaseno, 'our'18:54
+MrHairgreaseit was perennial indeed18:55
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@Haarg<perlDreamer> master:HEAD:path/to/file would have been great20:50
@Haargwhat would you have wanted that to show you?20:51
+perlDreamerI was working in static_definition, which is very old compared to master20:51
+perlDreamerand I need to do some recent i18n lookups20:51
+perlDreamerwe never got around to merging last week20:51
@Haargany time git wants a revision, you can give it a symbolic revision20:53
@Haargso git show master:lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm20:53
@Haargor git show master^:lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm for the parent revision of master20:54
+perlDreamerthe other one didn't work, with HEAD20:54
@HaargHEAD is just another symbolic reference20:54
@Haargthere isn't really anything you could refer to as master:HEAD20:55
@Haarggoes through all the ways to specify revisions20:57
+perlDreamerand they say regular expressions are hard...21:00
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@Haargyeah, lots of complex options21:01
@Haargbut usually the useful ones are adding ^ to the end of a rev to specify the parent21:02
@Haargor multiple ^s21:02
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Socratesand drinks it22:44
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doc777Hello friends! I am fixing to build a new webgui server and currently plan to use ubuntu server 8.04 LTS ( Migrating from gentoo ).   Will WebGUI get along with x64 or should I stick with x32?00:15
@Haargi've seen it used on a 64bit system using the 32bit wre.  we haven't had much luck getting the wre to compile on 64bit, but it that was done WebGUI itself would work fine.00:16
doc777I plan to use the wre this time.00:16
@Haargif you use the 32bit wre as far as i know everything should work fine00:17
doc777The server only has 4 gig of ram so I am not sure what I would be gaining by using the x64. Possibly speed but this machine will only be running webgui.  Do you think it would be worth the hassle to go x64?00:18
@Haarggiven the amount of ram and the fact that you would be using 32 binaries as well, it seems unlikely there would be any advantage of going to 64bit.  but i don't think it would be a significant hassle either.00:19
doc777Thank you Haarg  :o)00:20
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@preactionso i need to populate an ldap server with about 1000 users. anyone have suggestions on where i can find 1000 names in a simple format?00:44
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@Haargjust first names?00:45
@preactiondoesn't matter really, it will be for webgui's recursive group thing00:45
@preactionperfect, thanks00:46
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elninolookin gat modperl logs, what does the vague "Expected token not present" supposed to mean? I'm not using cookies, as the forum mentions.02:00
@preactionsomeone could be trying to access the site with an improperly formatted wgSession cookie02:04
elninooh ok.02:06
elninocould that be caused by the fact that my site resdes at two domains, and the links all go towards the one of two domains?02:14
perlDreamer1no, the cookie contents are bad.02:16
elninoI don't set cookies.02:16
perlDreamer1WebGUI does02:16
perlDreamer1for authentication02:16
elninoso is that a bug?02:16
perlDreamer1you need to show that WebGUI is setting the cookie badly02:16
perlDreamer1and it needs to be repeatable02:17
elninoI get it in my log file all the time... =)02:17
@preactionare users reporting problems?02:17
@preactionthen it's just informational, it means that mod_perl is preventing someone from doing something bad02:18
* elnino wonders when an error is an error then in a log file. =)02:19
@preactiontake a 404 for example. could've been someone screwing around. could've been a broken link, but until the user reports there's a problem, we don't know what it is02:20
elninoyeah, that one is really frustrating in the logs.02:21
elninomasked urls really mess things up when your user sets them up and they don't tell you.  grr.02:26
elninothere was a wg site setup and then they changed the domain to point to another, so I have tis unused site that can't resolve itself. =(02:31
elninohmm. http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/tip_for_running_webgui_on_a_shared_hosting_environment/tip_for_running_webgui_on_a_shared_hosting_environment probably should be taken down. or maybe it's true?02:41
@preactionit's 5 years old. CGI WebGUI doesn't work anymore02:42
elninodo I write up a bug or rfe to remove it?02:43
@preactionyou could just reply to it mentioning that it's no longer valid02:43
elninook. but hopefully it doesn't bring attention to it now.02:48
elninoanyone know who's site is http://www.valuecms.com/ - they used to do webgui hosting? their site is complely hosed  02:49
elninoapparently someone in egypt02:52
perlDreamer1Ehab Haikal02:53
perlDreamer1I think the last name is spelled correctly02:53
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@preactionelnino: though there is a new way to run WebGUI under CGI, patspam came up with it02:58
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elninoyahoo for patspam!!!!03:02
+patspamhey elnino :)03:03
elninoI just read your post that preaction sent me: http://blog.patspam.com/2009/plebgui-webgui-meets-plack03:03
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elninoyahoo!! I say again!03:03
+patspamplack is an awesome new development in the perl web world03:04
@preactionif i have my way wg9 will be completely placked03:04
@preactioni like when i read a piece of code and can't tell if i wrote it or not because it's properly formatted and follows best practices ;)03:06
perlDreamer1thanks ;)03:06
@preactionyou wrote the test DN update from LDAP?03:07
@preaction... but how did you know that's what i was looking at?03:07
@preactionWHERE ARE YOU?03:07
perlDreamer1well, I really thought you were still looking at the group code03:07
perlDreamer1but I've written so much of WebGUI that it's a fair guess03:07
perlDreamer1of course, that also explains all the bugs and poor performance03:07
@preactionbut no, i'm writing a test for this thing03:08
+patspamheh not way, that's the code that the rest of us write03:08
perlDreamer1the original code was from either cap10morgan or mducharme(mducharme-work)03:08
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rc0e78ab / lib/WebGUI/User.pm : Check for a valid group before using it. - http://bit.ly/bI3t9c03:11
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb6a8a72 / t/Macro.t : Add a few more Macro tests for unquoted arguments, and dangling commas. - http://bit.ly/bKVf8d03:11
perlDreamer1Moose is so awesome03:12
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rcb5144f / lib/WebGUI/User.pm : Check for a valid group before using it. - http://bit.ly/96lBCP03:12
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0171743 / t/Macro.t : Add a few more Macro tests for unquoted arguments, and dangling commas. - http://bit.ly/aJ3tGF03:12
perlDreamer1After converting a bunch of assets over to it, I'm reasonably sure that we'll never need to override update03:12
perlDreamer1we can do it all with method modifiers03:13
@preactionokay, i officially have no idea how LDAP groups work03:34
perlDreamer1in WebGUI,or LDAP?03:41
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r58944a4 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm : Update Event to use Moose accessors. - http://bit.ly/bA6GnX03:45
@preactionin LDAP03:46
@preactionit helps if i knew how to define a group in LDAP03:46
perlDreamer1mducharme, mducharme-work: are you around this evening in the flesh, by chance?03:47
@preactionWTF is the point of an Organizational Unit if it cannot also be a groupOfNames?03:48
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r0d8fd28 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm : Fix a typo with extending isHidden. - http://bit.ly/9f8WVa03:54
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r76ce6f7 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Calendar.pm : Some fixes for the Calendar. - http://bit.ly/aTC41V03:54
perlDreamer1I actually have some Calendar tests passing03:54
perlDreamer1son of a gun!03:55
perlDreamer1they're all passing!03:55
@preactionis it the one where ok( WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Calendar->is_rewritten_from_scratch )?03:55
perlDreamer1no, like git checkout static_definition; wgd reset -d; wgd reset --config; perl t/Asset/Wobject/Calendar.t03:55
perlDreamer1t/Asset/Event.t is passing03:56
perlDreamer1and Event/permissions.t03:57
perlDreamer1not bad for a few hours work03:57
perlDreamer1If I convert Image.pm over, I might be able to start up Apache03:59
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@preactionthe #ldap people straightened me out: the test ldap database is organized poorly04:12
perlDreamer1do share!04:13
perlDreamer1at least update the wiki page that I hacked together04:13
perlDreamer1Image.t is passing, except for the funky annotation/rotation/crop stuff04:14
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perlDreamer1apparently, I need a refresher course in Moose MRO04:32
perlDreamer1we cannot, absolutely CANNOT subclass update04:32
perlDreamer1otherwise it don't work at all04:32
perlDreamer1if we have to, we'll need to use around04:32
perlDreamer1Image.t is passing04:32
carograyWell thanks to you all indirectly I guess. Diona said she found the final tweak to the email a friend or send to a friend feature I have been trying to get work for years from you all last night.04:33
carograyI have it on MassLegalHelp and it works perfectly so far!04:34
perlDreamer1That has to be the best WebGUI news I've heard all day04:34
perlDreamer1I think I'll go and play tuba to celebrate04:35
carograyI still need to figure out how to get it into my form and email template I think but I have been working today for hours and mybrain is busted04:35
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carograyYes I think it's cause for huge celebration!04:35
@preactionokay, RDN stands for Relative Distinguished Name04:42
@preactionDN is Distinguished Name, think of it as the record's unique ID04:42
@preactioneverything in the LDAP tree has a DN, and everything except the top level has their parent in their DN04:43
@preactionso o=shawshank04:43
@preactionand cn=Warden,o=shawshank04:43
@preactionfor that, my RDN is cn=Warden04:43
@preactionmy DN is cn=Warden,o=shawshank04:43
@preactionand my parent's DN is o=shawshank04:43
@preactionokay, so I figured out how NORMAL ldap groups work, but wtf is a Recursive Group?04:52
@preactionokay, so I figured THAT out, but then how is this person's ldap groupings working AT ALL?04:59
mducharmeI'm here05:33
mducharmewhat do you mean it gives a different definition to RDN, preaction?05:35
@preactionin the "User RDN" field, you have to put "dn", always05:37
mducharmeum in current webgui versions there is no User RDN field05:40
mducharmeunless you mean in the user settings themselves05:40
mducharmeas opposed to the ldap config05:40
mducharmeI do not see a User RDN field in the user properties either05:41
mducharmeI do see another problem though05:42
mducharmetwo parameters that are different are using the same i18n05:42
mducharmeso one is misnamed05:42
mducharmea new i18n should be created for the matching field in the user properties05:43
@preactionah, it used to be User RDN, now it's Authentication Attribute05:43
@preactionwhich should almost always be dn05:43
mducharmeI had posted a bunch of i18n changes a while back05:44
mducharmebecause things were using bizarre terminology05:44
mducharmethat user RDN was one of those05:44
mducharmeI missed what you are trying to do though, preaction05:53
mducharmeperhaps I can help05:53
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@preactiondebugging various LDAP group stuffs06:04
@preactionwriting tests06:04
@preactionfixing the DIT of the regression LDAP server06:04
mducharmeahh.. I haven't really needed to futz too much with ldap groups in webgui... use them everywhere else though06:11
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+perlDreamergood morning, kind and benevolent webgui folk17:44
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mducharme-workmorning perldreamer18:11
+perlDreamerhowdy, mducharme-work18:12
+perlDreamerwe had some LDAP questions for you last night, but the nice people of #ldap were able to set us straight18:15
mducharme-workyeah I saw last night there18:15
mducharme-workbtw I found an i18n problem, well not really a problem18:15
+perlDreamermost i18n related stuff is a bug18:16
mducharme-workthe ldap settings in the user account properties are exactly matching the names in the general ldap settings18:16
mducharme-workwhen they are referring to something else and should have a different label18:16
+perlDreamerdidn't we accept an RFE from you to change all of those around, along with your suggested new labels?18:16
mducharme-workthus the same i18n label is being used for two different settings that should have different i18n's18:16
+perlDreamerfile a bug for it along with recommendations on what they should be18:17
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+perlDreamerbartjol loves having more translation work to do18:17
+bartjolhe, what?18:18
+bartjoldo I?18:18
+perlDreamersure, doesn't SynQ buy you a bier every time the translation hits 100%?18:18
+bartjolhe might pay my salary18:19
+perlDreamerthat's good, too18:19
+perlDreamerboats, bier and tile all require salary18:19
mducharme-workboy it is sure slow...18:24
mducharme-workoh there we go18:25
+bartjolwell, that was intensive work: 1 entry18:25
+bartjolno bugs though18:25
CIA-48WebGUI: translation * r12436 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/WebGUIProfile.pm: Updating Dutch on translation server18:39
+perlDreamerhm, it's also time to update the copyrights18:52
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CIA-48webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * rd7767e0 / lib/WebGUI/Macro.pm : faster macro processor using perl 5.10 features - http://bit.ly/96cO4v21:53
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+perlDreamerHaarg, how much faster is it?22:45
@Haargi don't know.  benchmarked it a long time ago.22:45
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r2f8aff5 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm : Remove deprecated code, overriding update in Template.pm - http://bit.ly/ch7RPN22:52
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r5203c35 / t/Asset/Template.t : Remove test for headBlock handling. - http://bit.ly/cgHli122:54
+perlDreamerIn WebGUI 8, all forms are supposed to be automatically built23:06
+perlDreamerand we have flags to say things like, don't ever build this one particular form field23:06
+perlDreamerbut how do you handle putting extra fields into the edit form that are not supposed to processed by the back end?23:06
+perlDreamerfields like "What next?"23:06
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rd3e2970 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Folder.pm : Fix Folder sortOrder to be moosey. Convert to using Moose accessors. - http://bit.ly/cGB0VK23:07
@preactionperlDreamer: depends on how Graham solves the www_editSave problem23:14
@preactionalso, what next sucks23:14
@preactioni hate it23:14
@preactioni want it to die23:14
* perlDreamer is tempted to play the backwards compatibility card, but I hate that one.23:14
+perlDreamerdo we have two buttons then?23:14
@preactionthat's what WG8 is for, yay!23:15
@preactionwhere is your what next thing?23:15
@preactionand most likely yes23:15
+perlDreamerIn the Folder23:15
+perlDreameralso, in the DataForm23:15
@preaction"Save and Add More"23:15
+perlDreamerand in the Product23:15
@preactionDataForm might be different, it depends on what the What's Next is being used for23:15
+perlDreamerAdd another field23:15
+perlDreamerAdd another tab23:15
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r86dd8ab / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm : Lots of syntax fixes, and convert to Moose accessors. - http://bit.ly/bJVHg223:27
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rb02df9f / lib/WebGUI/AssetPackage.pm : Fix importing packages. - http://bit.ly/bcEKVN23:34
+perlDreamerwgd reset -d now does much more useful work in static_definition23:35
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r129186c / lib/WebGUI/Content/Asset.pm : Update Content/Asset for Moose and Exceptions. - http://bit.ly/abPobU23:37
+perlDreamerwe really don't have enough tests23:37
dionakis Moose a new requirement of WG?23:44
dionakI guess yes?23:44
+perlDreamerit will be for wG8, dionak23:45
+perlDreamerfor now all is safe23:45
+perlDreamerspeaking of which, Haarg, preaction, will the FormBuilder branch be moved to Moose?23:45
dionakfor now? :)23:45
+perlDreamerwell, eventually we will release webgui 8 and Moose will be de rigeur23:46
dionaki'll be expecting Moose jokes at the next WUC.23:47
+perlDreamerGooey will have large antlers this year23:48
dionakhaha! 23:48
dionakthat'll make him top-heavy23:48
dionakhe'll have to start working out23:48
@preactionperlDreamer: my local FormBuilder branch is moosified i believe. it's just been a while since i worked on anything23:50
+perlDreamerthe static_definition branch is also Moosey23:52
+perlDreamerI think it's time to update testEnvironment.pl23:53
+perlDreamerAlso, tomorrow I want to grab both you and Haarg and do the long overdue merging23:53
+perlDreamerI can type git merge master, but I don't think that's really what I want23:53
@Haargthat's basically what is needed, but there will be a fair amount of conflict resolution to do23:57
+perlDreamerI have children and a wife.  I am an expert at conflict resolution.23:57
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+perlDreameruh oh, I hope I didn't offend her with that23:59
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+perlDreamerbe back in 30-ish00:02
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r019ebba / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm : Remove update override sub, and use the new Asset triggers instead. - http://bit.ly/94qBlb00:02
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CIA-48WebGUI: translation * r12437 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/Asset_WikiMaster.pm: Updating Dutch on translation server00:54
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+perlDreamerwe have successful upgrade scripts in wg8 now01:13
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r6702f07 / (2 files): Fix upgrade scripts to work with wg8. - http://bit.ly/95t2VB01:13
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rc1a3030 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Another Article method change. - http://bit.ly/bcQOd301:22
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r70d06ec / lib/WebGUI/Operation/VersionTag.pm : Update to WG8 constructors - http://bit.ly/9oHjXa01:28
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * ra9f46c7 / lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm : More wg8 constructors in AssetVersioning. - http://bit.ly/9BL9s701:32
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r722bad7 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Layout.pm : Change to moose methods. Need to be on the lookout for getValue calls. - http://bit.ly/bpR6cE01:38
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * racff13a / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SyndicatedContent.pm : SyndicatedContent moved over to wg8. - http://bit.ly/aBhr9901:49
+perlDreamerthis is a great read: http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2010/02/a-perl-programming-maintenance-checklist.html02:03
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@preactionSpreadsheet::WriteExcel is pretty nice02:46
@preactionVrby wanted a report for TGC, and I give him an already-populated excel spreadsheet02:48
@preactionnext i hope to add the formulas and stuff that he'd inevitably add himself02:48
+perlDreamercool!  I hear they just added graphs02:59
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carograyHi all16:24
+bartjolhi carogray16:24
carograydoing many things at once, but...is it possible to "run" not sure this is what I want to do, an xml file on PlainBlack server?16:25
carograyThere is this software called A2J which produces a kind of interview 16:26
carograyit wouldn't be in the frame of our website... I don't think.., also it uses Flash and may only work with IE, however it would be very helpful if we could upload an xml file to PlainBlack server and then have it email us16:27
carograyor allow people to email us or...16:27
carograyfeed the information to a "behind the scenes" data form and email us.16:27
carograyAll I know is that the interview is an xml file.16:27
+bartjolwell, I don't know how far they host applications next to wg16:27
carograyhow far?16:28
carograyis xml an application?16:28
+bartjolI mean, whether they host anything besides webgui, or only plug ins16:28
+bartjolbut the stuffs which seems to make it is16:28
+bartjolmorning Scott16:29
carograyso if it were just a file, like a jpg, or pdf - is xml that kind of file?16:29
+bartjolmore html like, but just a file anyways, so yes16:30
carograyI will need to find out more about this - thanks.16:30
+bartjolyeah, but you can upload files and make them group acessible16:31
carograyyou mean View by "everyone"?16:31
+bartjolcan't you use a dataform16:31
carograydata form is just a form, this is a really neat little application with audio and sometimes even video where an avatar asks you questions and takes you down the path to justice...16:32
+bartjoldepends on who you want able to see:16:32
+bartjola the form16:32
+bartjolb the results16:32
carograyit uses flash16:32
+bartjolalmost like a game16:32
carograyyes, I guess probably, maybe16:32
carograybut I have been told it is just an xml file16:33
+bartjolin wwhich I prolly will get stuck in prison 23 lifetimes16:33
+bartjolwell, but the results of choices can be quite simple16:34
+bartjolI can see that16:34
carograynot that kind of info - we only do civil law, so you would be evicted 23 million times, or divorced 23 million times, or have to pay 23 million in child support16:34
+bartjolah, the joys of justice16:34
carograyif I programmed it wrong.16:34
carograyok...gotta go learn more about this..ta16:34
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+bartjolhey it's conservative boy (a reincarnation of a superhero)17:10
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ckotilis there macro to show page hits? like a counter18:27
ckotilhttp://www.webgui.org/etcetera/page_views_macro3 should do the trick. sql asset with Page macro.18:31
+perlDreamerckotil, you could use Asset metadata and AOIHits macro to do that, but it's not the best solution18:35
ckotilmy passiveProfileAOI table is empty18:52
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+perlDreamerI believe passive profiling has to be enabled, because it incurs a performance penalty18:58
ckotilany other ways to do this?19:00
ckotilalso where do you enable passive profiling?19:01
+perlDreamerIn the settings19:02
+perlDreamerhm... other ways19:02
ckotilpassive profiling must not be in myu version 7.6.3519:04
ckotilah found it. in user tab19:05
ckotilgetting data in passiveProfileLog, but not passiveProfileAOI19:08
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ckotilok got data in it by running the appropriate workflow activity19:14
ckotilthat was a big drain on the server tho. and only 14 assets were summarized19:15
ckotilthe data doesnt look useful. count's are off by a lot, and the values listed are one my profile content fields.19:17
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r9f06085 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm : Update DataForm for wg8. - http://bit.ly/9LNrJp22:01
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elninook.  I'm typing with ne hand here.  bear with me =)23:23
elninoI have a custom product with variant that I pretty much took from produvt.pm23:24
elninoin my template, Im calling out the addVariant_url variable.23:24
elninowhen looking at the product.pm code, it is set only when canEdit is true23:25
elninoin the template, there is no conditional other than ifd admin is on.23:26
elninothere is a template variable called canEdit availbale, but it isn't used. 23:26
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elninoso I find that a bit interesting. perhaps the template fgroup knows of this... anyway23:27
elninoin my custom product, the addVariant variable osn't being set =(23:28
elninoand I can't figure out why.23:28
elninoadmin is obviously turned on, and Im editing the product all the time.23:28
elninoI have not overridden the canEdit function, or variable.23:29
elninoI obviously did some bad pasting somewhere. =(23:30
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elninoI used sku as the base, which is based on asset, so that should be fine.23:31
+perlDreamerelnino, perhaps a little pasting?23:34
* perlDreamer will be back in a little bit and will backlog23:35
elninoeverything else works in my template, but Im stuck at the fact that "canEdit is false".. I'll remove that condittional for now.23:36
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cmillerHi.  I have a question about setting up a database link in WebGUI.  On my Debian server, I can connect to an MS SQL database using Perl DBI->connect('DBI:ODBC:DEBIAN','user','password'); and do("use Northwind");23:48
cmillerHowever, I cannot figure out what the DSN should be inside the WebGUI database link.  Any suggestions?23:48
+perlDreamercmiller, iirc, it takes a standard DBI DSN in the Database link23:53
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cmillerI've tried dbi:ODBC:DEBIAN, and that doesn't work23:56
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+perlDreamercmiller: I googled, and found this: http://www.easysoft.com/developer/languages/perl/sql_server_unix_tutorial.html00:05
+perlDreamernot sure why you're using dbi:ODBC:DEBIAN, unless the name of the perl module is somehow different on your OS00:05
* perlDreamer has to run some errands00:06
cmillerDEBIAN is the name of the datasource in the odbc.ini fille00:06
cmillertranslates to myserver.home.com port 143300:07
cmillerworks great from Perl, but I can't get it to work in WebGUI00:07
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+perlDreamertime for caffeine!01:20
SynQI'm alive01:29
+perlDreameryou great beastie01:29
+perlDreamerhow you doing?01:29
SynQvery very busy01:29
+perlDreamerMust be.  How's is The Netherlands most beautiful little girl?01:29
SynQshe is now 1 year and 4 days01:29
SynQand she is doing great01:30
SynQwe are celabrating her birthday this weekend01:30
+perlDreameris she getting a little brother for her birthday?01:30
SynQfirst steps are being taken01:30
SynQI wish :)01:30
SynQI hope I get my new car for my own birthday01:31
SynQJT will be pleased with me01:31
+perlDreamerWhat are you buying?01:31
SynQyou have three guesses, but I'll give you a few hits01:31
SynQHSD, pearl white, Brake problem :)01:32
* perlDreamer knows little to nothing about cars because they do not use perl01:32
+perlDreamerYou are buying a Prius01:32
SynQyou guessed right in one go!01:32
SynQand yes it's "pearl white"01:32
SynQI already typed it wrong a few times01:32
+perlDreamerwell, the break problem was a dead giveaway01:33
SynQI'm sorry01:33
SynQI hope it won't delay the delivery01:34
+perlDreamerWebGUI 8 lives!01:40
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rd1572c4 / (5 files in 4 dirs): Make sure that all builder methods that use session sare set to be lazy. - http://bit.ly/cJo3iB01:41
+perlDreamerwith that commit, you can actually fire it up and see a page01:41
+perlDreameryou probably can't do much beyond that, but it's a big step01:41
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SynQjust in time!01:58
+perlDreamerhe is psychic01:58
+perlDreamerthe news about WebGUI resonated through the ether, and drew him in from his remote location01:58
+perlDreamerWebGUI 8 can show pages01:59
+perlDreamerit's a good time to step back and look at overall status02:02
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elninoI'm creating a product similar to product, can I just use product.pm as the base? or do I have to use sku.pm?07:19
@preactionyou can use product as a base just fine07:20
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbb26647 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject.pm): Remove code that sets the synopsis inside Wobject/www_view, since it is also done in processStyle. - http://bit.ly/aKTr4R18:51
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r8aa8811 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject.pm): Remove code that sets the synopsis inside Wobject/www_view, since it is also done in processStyle. - http://bit.ly/cw4VUN18:53
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r777b199 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Fix duplicating and deleting thing data. Fixes bug #11391 - http://bit.ly/8Y3hyw00:38
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbdccf58 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Fix duplicating and deleting thing data. Fixes bug #11391 - http://bit.ly/b85HAW00:38
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rae8c1a6 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Set cache control to "none" if the DataForm uses a captcha. Fixes bug #11381. - http://bit.ly/a7OgUp00:44
@preactiondoes it? does it really?00:44
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r420de27 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Set cache control to "none" if the DataForm uses a captcha. Fixes bug #11381. - http://bit.ly/ck5wVP00:44
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+perlDreamerof course if does, preaction00:45
@preactionARE YOU SURE?00:45
@preactionbut are you SURE that you're sure?00:45
+perlDreameryes, painfully so00:45
@preactioncan I fire people after they're already fired?00:45
+perlDreamerLet me put it this way, I'm equally as sure that the Code Editor will be fixed by release tomorrow evening.00:46
@preactionuh... you decided to fix it yourself?00:46
+perlDreamerNo, the guy who wrote it told me that it would be done by tomorrow.00:47
@preactionDav Glass? wow, you ARE connected00:47
+perlDreamerand since that is off your back, I thought I'd give you the two Map bugs, too00:47
@preactionaww, you're sweet00:49
@preactiontoo bad i'm busy writing a feature that should have taken 3 hours, and has so far taken 3 days00:50
+perlDreamerwhy don't you let me do it, and you can do Dav a big one00:50
+perlDreamerand then we'll all be happy :)00:50
@preactionbecause it would take you the same amount of time: i'm adding some extra logging to TGC so we can reconcile the click count on the printer00:51
@preactionapparently about 400 sheets of 11x17 paper are missing00:51
@preactionbut since this is the most convoluted code i've seen since Frank started working on the alumni project, it's slow going00:51
@preactioni was going to rewrite it, but i was overruled00:52
@preactioni swear to god i am going to start this whole project from scratch, that's how much it's pissing me off...00:53
+perlDreamerthey'll just overrule you again00:53
* perlDreamer is very fatalistic today00:53
+perlDreamersorry for being a downer00:53
@preactionoh, that's only if i tell them what i'm doing00:54
+perlDreamerdon't you think they'll notice when the site starts working faster and better?00:55
@preactionno. people don't care00:55
+perlDreamerin that case, want some help? :)00:58
@preactionsure, first we need to procure a few pounds of enriched uranium01:01
@preactionthen, an orbital launch platform01:01
+perlDreamerooh!  ooh!  And an git repository?01:03
@preactionif that helps me build the nuke and launch it, sure01:03
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2d8f07f / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth/WebGUI.pm): Fix illegal HTML from the Auth plugin. It was making LI's with no UL's. Fixes bug #11392 - http://bit.ly/bo65Eu01:12
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7470a15 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth/WebGUI.pm): Fix illegal HTML from the Auth plugin. It was making LI's with no UL's. Fixes bug #11392 - http://bit.ly/as26ny01:12
+perlDreamermducharme, mducharme-work: are you around?01:20
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf24963b / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed the label in Operation/User:www_editUser, generated by editUserForm in LDAP.pm. Fixes bug #11395. - http://bit.ly/dfHtDs01:26
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5c1ec13 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed the label in Operation/User:www_editUser, generated by editUserForm in LDAP.pm. Fixes bug #11395. - http://bit.ly/cjeCdI01:27
+perlDreamertoo late01:28
+perlDreamerman, there are indeed too many zeroes in the cache clearing workflows01:34
+perlDreamerthis is not equal to 100 MB: 100000000001:34
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra78f067 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a number typo in the Cache cleanup workflow activities. Fixes bug #11396. - http://bit.ly/cGiC6k01:41
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+perlDreamerpreaction, I'll fix the map bugs, but I'd like a consult on this bug: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/1139301:57
+perlDreamerthe view point template is not supposed to have a save button, is it?01:58
@preactioni can't see why it would need one01:58
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CIA-48webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r4f4e0dd / t/Auth/LDAP.t : fixed LDAP tests for LDAP best practices - http://bit.ly/9yfVWx03:40
CIA-48webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r8638185 / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fix #11349: Code Editor returns \n for blank content - http://bit.ly/bM9e5n03:40
CIA-48webgui: Doug Bell master * rc16809a / t/Auth/LDAP.t : fixed LDAP tests for LDAP best practices - http://bit.ly/awmYIT03:40
CIA-48webgui: Doug Bell master * re9fdab2 / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fix #11349: Code Editor returns \n for blank content - http://bit.ly/bdE26p03:40
@preactionyay! 1 down, 2 to go03:42
+perlDreamerdude!  you did it!03:45
elninoworking hard again I see. Go preaction!03:45
+perlDreamerhe works hard all the time, just not so often on the bugs that I nag him about03:46
elninogood grief. That's supposed to be =)03:46
+perlDreamerwe trust you, elnino03:52
@preactioni wouldn't03:52
@preactionit comes once every 7 years and screws up our weather03:52
@preactionit's unpredictable, you never know when it next will hit03:52
elninowhat??  03:53
elninoare you talking about our snow we are giving you? It's beautiful, isn't it?03:53
+perlDreamerwe would take some, if there's too much03:54
@preactioni'll take that 55 and sunny if you don't mind03:55
elninothere's enough to share, to be sure.03:57
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r32223e6 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Add website and synopsis fields to the View Point template for the Map. Addresses bug #11393. - http://bit.ly/dC0iRA04:53
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r531a2f6 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Add website and synopsis fields to the View Point template for the Map. Addresses bug #11393. - http://bit.ly/dvyynY04:54
+perlDreamerpreaction: any ideas what to do about the double version tag problem with specific versions of IE8 on XP?04:56
+perlDreamerI don't see where this is anything other than an IE specific bug04:56
+perlDreamerand I can't duplicate with my IE8 on XP04:56
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@preactionperlDreamer: link me!06:05
+perlDreamerI figured you kept up to date with Ye Olde Bugge Listo06:17
@preactioncould it be a manifestation of the dataform bug that webgui.org has?06:19
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@preactiondoes it happen with just his IE8 or with everyone's IE8?06:20
@preactionit might be site-specific06:20
@preactionwe might have to keep it open, but it doesn't have to block a stable release06:22
@preactionwe need an "Unable to Reproduce" status06:22
@preactionwhich reminds me, perlDreamer how goes the WG8 stuff?06:23
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elninoisn't there a setting somewhere that the urls do not use the uploads directory? or something....?06:33
@preactionenableStreamingUploads maybe?06:34
@preactionbad idea, btw06:34
elninoI know.. I just need to scrape the site, and make it html, and right now, I'm getting a gabillian directorys in the uploads subdirectory. 06:35
elninothen the site comes down.06:35
@preactionwhy scrape? why not export?06:35
elninobecause the export didn't work as I thought it would.06:35
elninoIt did weird things.06:36
@preactionwhat kind of weird things?06:36
elninoI knew you were going to ask... 06:36
elninoI don't remember. I just remember it definately ddint' give me what I thought it would do.  sorry.06:36
elninothese people want to have the site all static html06:36
elninoand scraping was the only thing that I knew what to do06:37
elninoto give me a directory of files that would simply unzip nicely.06:37
elninoI think the export was missing images, and didn't export everything. or something.06:37
elninoI can try it again if you want. it won't take long, it's a small site.06:38
@preactioni believe there are options in the export for uploads directory thing06:38
@preactionbut i don't remember06:38
elninolet me finish this first though. 06:38
elninook. I'll look.06:38
@preactionand you're right, it's really only useful to those who already know what to do06:38
elninohmm. the enableStreamingUploads doesn't work in the gallery?06:43
elninoI restarted modperl and modproxy.  am I supposed to do spectre too?06:43
@preactionah, no, it doesn't work in the Gallery06:44
elninobug or rfe?06:44
elnino =)06:44
@preactionbecause the photo's URL does not bring you to the photo06:44
@preactionit never will06:44
@preactionthe photo's URL is for the page with the photo's details06:44
@preactionenableStreamingUploads is for File and Image assets06:45
elninoalright, I guess I'll adjust the gallery template.  thanks06:45
elninoTHEN I'll do the export thingy06:45
@preactionuh... adjust it to do what?06:46
elninonot link to the real photo.06:46
elninoI'll just make the thumbnail bigger.  =)06:46
elninoor 06:46
elninoI suppose that's in the uplaods too.06:46
elninowell, I'll cut the number down in half then. =)06:47
@preactionwhat's wrong with the uploads urls?06:47
@preactionsymlink uploads <- that's the property in the export i think06:47
@preactionI think all you need to do is: tar zcf mysite.tar.gz ExportDir /data/domains/.../uploads /data/WebGUI/extras <- 06:48
@preactionwait, that won't work right, but you get the idea: you need to include the uploads dir in the tarball06:48
@preactionand extras for that matter06:48
elninonothings wrong with it, its just overwhelming to see the large directory, and if they decide to moify the html themselves, they won't know where to go.06:48
elninooh.  yeah, that's what I did too for the exporting, but at this moment, I'm still scraping.06:49
elninoOH.  I see. I'm slow.06:54
elninouploads directory will have to be acceptable. 06:55
elninook. so I'll try to export it for you.06:56
elninohmm. 07:04
elninoso.. I exported it. using the symlink option.07:05
elninohold on. 07:07
CIA-48webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r1e7a661 / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fixed #11322: Code Editor Broken - http://bit.ly/cW2u5k07:16
elninoso export didn't get my style sheets or sifr files07:16
elninoI do remember having an issue with images, being saved as .jpg.jpeg07:16
elninobut it doesn't appear to have happened this time around.07:17
@preactiondid you do the export while you were at the root of the site?07:17
elninoroot? no, home07:17
CIA-48webgui: Doug Bell master * rd31be40 / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fixed #11322: Code Editor Broken - http://bit.ly/a5AO8t07:17
elninoand home and all descendents are exportable.07:18
@preactionif you're at home, it won't get the import node07:18
@preactionif your stylesheets or sifr files are in the import node, they won't get exported07:18
elninoI figured it traversed the html07:18
elninobut that would explain why it's fast. 07:18
elninoit doesnt. =)07:18
@preactionnope, i want the "Template Attachments" thing to be able to do the right thing, but it hasn't been developed yet07:18
@preactionperlDreamer: could you do me a solid and test the code editor in the latest commit? make sure it works and make sure you can paste large blocks of text in IE7? i can't seem to reproduce the last bug07:19
elninok. I'll try this again. the other thing is that if I have to tarball the entire uploads, I get old revisions, which I don't need.  is there a way to "delete" all old revisions?07:20
@preactionthat would be a good RFE: export only the necessary parts of the uploads directory07:20
@preactiona better RFE: make new storage locations only when necessary, and delete only when no links to them exist07:21
elninowell , there is a wrokflow that deletes them once in a while. 07:21
@preactionan even better RFE: Rewrite all of WebGUI to do exactly what I want it to do, which is the RIGHT THING07:21
elninoI=me or I = you?07:22
@preactionyeah, but you don't want to modify that workflow to delete them all, and that would be the only way07:22
@preactionI = me07:22
* preaction has been feeling rather frustrated as of late07:22
elninowebgui is VERY cool You're doing good work!07:22
@preactioni could rant for hours about how much suck needs to be fixed ;-)07:24
elninooh dear... I did an export from root, now it's giving me EVERYTHING.07:24
elninolol .   I'll scrape.07:24
@preactionthe US Embassys (who funded the export stuff) tend to keep all their necessary stuff in a special folder in root07:25
@preactionyou can also cherry pick each folder you need to export07:25
@preaction(it doesn't have to be exported all at once)07:25
elninotoo much work.  =)07:27
elninoI got what I need.  =)  I'm going to bed early now... have a good night! nice chatting.07:27
elninohmmm. I find this interesting. my scrape included a bunch of YUI and tinymce files. I wonder if it knew I was still logged in.  maby I should do the wget insead.07:37
elninosince I'm up. Has there been discussion about chaning webgui's name by anychance?07:37
@preactionnot recently, why?07:38
elninowell. I have a google alert thing going, and all I get is hits on Visual WebGUi and not plainblack's webgui. very frustrating. I suspect it makes pb's marketing efforts difficult.07:39
@preactioni imagine it does, but there's been no talk that i know of07:41
@preactionJT's got some personal projects going, but that's about it07:41
elninoit's a drastic change. obviously not one to take lightly.07:41
elninoI was just wondering... ok. going to sleep now. gnite07:42
@preactionwell, considering i want to drastically change the internals of WebGUI, it would make sense to use the time to change the name07:42
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+perlDreamerpreaction: will test the new editor tomorrow, and generate a wg8 status sheet.08:53
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+perlDreamermorning, folks18:45
+perlDreamerpreaction: I'm reinstalling IE7 to test that HTML pasting issue18:51
+perlDreamerand then I'll be publishing an wg8 status document18:51
@Haargi have ie7 right now if you need something tested18:52
+perlDreameryes, this bug: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/1128518:52
+perlDreameryou'll need the "reallyLongLine" file, and it has to be done on XP18:52
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@Haargthat reveals another problem18:58
@Haargif you open the reallyLongLine file in IE it renders the html18:58
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@Haargin what way does that sample line get changed?19:00
+perlDreamerI'll try to paste the modified output back to the bug19:02
+perlDreamerbummer, I thought we'd be all done19:07
+perlDreamerit's the last link, instead of http://www.vetmed.__whatever, it's Homehttp://www.vetmed.....19:08
@Haargfor some of the other links too19:09
* perlDreamer goes to the gym19:15
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r0f7facd / asset_status.ods : Add a spreadsheet showing which assets have been coverted to Moose, and if and how they have been tested. - http://bit.ly/aREpNT20:48
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rb2b03b6 / t/Asset/Shortcut/010-linked-asset.t : Better cleanup for a Shortcut test. - http://bit.ly/aR2qsi20:52
+perlDreamerHaarg, do you also have an IE8 installed?20:58
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+perlDreamerwhat's that all about, ckotil?21:19
ckotildaniel tosh gets his hands on an ipad21:21
ckotilits sfw21:21
+perlDreamerI know, but why did he smash it with a golf club?  I don't get the joke.21:30
ckotilthat's this guys comedy.21:31
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+perlDreamerwell, next time he thinks about being funny, have him give me the iPad, and I'll get him a nice cheap replica.21:47
ckotilhow hard would it be to create a macro based on assetProxy but also have it accept parameters so that you can tweak the asset you are proxying in?22:02
+perlDreamerwhat kind of parameters?22:04
+perlDreamerwhat you're talking about sounds a lot like a shortcut, with overrides22:04
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r7e33dd3 / (3 files in 3 dirs): IE8 on XP demands that onclick actions return false, otherwise it submits the form twice. Fixes bug #11336. - http://bit.ly/beqXgb22:05
ckotili wanna proxy a nav asset but change the start URL22:06
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfb3211a / (3 files in 3 dirs): IE8 on XP demands that onclick actions return false, otherwise it submits the form twice. Fixes bug #11336. - http://bit.ly/bDz8rr22:06
+perlDreamerthat's the very height of laziness.  You really _are_ a perl hacker.22:07
ckotilIf I could somehow dynamically set the start uRL for a nav asset via a template variable Id be all set.22:08
+perlDreamerand the relative starting URLs won't do the same thing?22:10
ckotilno because waht I have in mind cannot use the URL of the page the asset resides on22:11
ckotilthis is more brainstorming for crumb trails in search results.22:11
ckotili know it's costly, but I gotta see just how costly22:11
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elninoI'm reading http://www.webgui.org/admin/wiki/one-webgui-multiple-sites, If I have domain1.com and domain2.com, that's all the user will see, right? I don't want them to be redirected to http://domain1.com/domain222:24
ckotilim currently doing this. and if a user goes to domain2.com that's all they will see.22:31
ckotilnow, depending on how you organize your site, domain1.com/domain2 will go to the same place as domain2.com/domain2 22:32
ckotilbut with enough fancy mod_rewriting you can keep domain1.com and domain2.com entirely separated. 22:32
elninoyep, I want "totally separateedd" with the exception of the db.22:33
elninoThanks ckotil22:33
+perlDreamerelnino, what's wrong with having two different virtual hosts?22:33
+perlDreameror do you want a single-sign on kind of deal?22:33
ckotilI have separate virtual hosts for each domain22:34
elninowe're implementing parked pages - so they will allhave one page.22:34
elninokinda over kill for one page sites.22:34
elninoor am I misunderstanding virtual hosts?22:34
ckotilsince I have unique domain/hostnames for each site I give them each their own virtual host. They also have unique IP's so I can do ssl 22:35
elninoperlDreamer, virtual hosts  = separate wg db. right?22:36
+perlDreamerbut if it's only 1 page per site, it's overkill like ckotil said22:37
elninoso I *think* a single database for all these parked pages makes sense? feel free to talk me out of it.22:37
+perlDreamerno, I agree completely22:37
elninook. good. =) I like when people agree with me. lol22:37
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@preactioni think in 7.9 we should change the default configuration of the Rich Text Editors to be better: Add the Paste From Word button, use Inline Popups, Allow Media by default, and maybe more23:00
@preactionooh, the cut/copy/paste/paste as plain text/undo/redo would be nice23:00
elninomy client LOVES pasting from msword, its unbelieveably messy23:00
ckotiladd file assets from within the rich editor23:00
@preactioni'd do it right now, but people might get pissed off23:00
@preactionckotil: that would require code, not just clicking checkboxes in the rich editor's configuration23:01
elninodidn't know it did that.23:01
ckotil:0 i had to try23:01
@preactiongo to content_managers_rich_edit?func=edit <- on your site23:01
elninohow is that different than attachments? ckotil23:01
@preactionelnino: attachments can't be placed, and are not assets23:01
@preactionthe attachment / file asset system on webgui sucks for content management23:01
elninooh I see. =)23:02
ckotilwith assets you get version tracking, a reusable URL, and a lot more benefits23:02
@preactioni'm writing a lengthy reply to a user about this exact topic23:02
ckotilpreaction: i think its me :)23:02
ckotilmy users have been grilling me with questions, and some of them I cannot faithfully answer. bc my understanding of webgui is limited.23:03
@preactionno worries, i understand. and i share your pain23:03
@preactioni tried to start a blog a few months back, using webgui, and i was quickly frustrated at how impossibly difficult basic content management really is in webgui23:04
ckotilyeah, its a beast, and hyou really need to understand a majority of the system before you can really use it.23:05
ckotilunfortunately my users are only using a small portion of it, so they have no desire to actually learn it23:05
@preactionsome people say the barrier to install is the biggest hurdle webgui faces. i say the convoluted way to perform basic, everyday tasks is23:05
ckotilive managed to make a lot of the tasks simpler. by leveragine the template system. ive added urls to add article/layouts/files. hover help boxes, little things like that.23:06
ckotilbut i ive still failed. need to go back and rethink some things.23:06
ckotiltho the doc system does have a lot of content. which is inspiring. people are using the system.23:07
@preactionyou could leverage some JS to make adding images to articles/pages a lot easier. 23:07
@preactionthough you might have to hack the button in (or make your users use a bookmarklet)23:08
ckotiluse JS to inline adding file assets to the article/layouts?23:08
@preactionessentially, and then the files can be in whatever place you want, but still be included as a macro in the currently-open rich editor23:09
@preactionwe want to move from TinyMCE to YUI's Editor, as it is easier to write these kinds of plugins and it's fewer dependencies, but we just haven't done the work yet23:09
@preactiononce we do, i want to completely overhaul the attachment system, and actually use the "Media" folder for something: attachments as assets under the Media/Attachments/<assetId> folder23:10
@preactionthen a tab next to the rich editor to show "Attachments for this asset" or "Search all attachments for all assets"23:10
ckotilwhy not ditch attachments all together and just have them as file assets?23:11
@preactionor just even "Search" to search for whatever kind of Image / File you want23:11
@preactionthey will be file assets, they'll just be called attachments (attachments being a user-friendly label)23:11
ckotilin our environment we keep all file assets in a specific location for each website. the file-bin23:11
@preactionto the user, it will seem that when they open a rich editor to edit an asset, a list of attachments to that asset appears23:12
ckotilok sure. that makes sense. asset this and that can be confusing23:12
@preactionto the admin, all attachments are in /media/attachments, organized by the asset ID of the asset it's attached to23:12
ckotilwould they also exist as children beneath the article/layout asset?23:13
elninothe template redos have definately helped. but they need docs which I'm working on.23:13
@preactionunfortunately, as i'll say in a little while, i don't have my own private time to do all this, and nobody's buying my time for me to do all this23:13
@preactionckotil: no, they wouldn't. that causes problems in navigation and they'd show up twice on the page if you also added them using the ^FileURL macro23:13
@preactionelnino: now we just need to get people thinking "Template Toolkit" instead of HTML::Template23:14
ckotili need to switch to the TT23:14
elninockotil  re attachments vs file assets.23:14
ckotilpreaction: re: content_managers_rich_edit.html?func=edit even though I have enabled Past from Word, it still doesnt work as well as it should.23:15
ckotilpretty sure its a tiny mce bug. 23:15
elninooh nevermind ckotil23:15
elninoI was going to say something. but am not going to.23:16
@preactionpost it, along with which version of webgui you're using. if you can verify it is indeed a tinymce bug, that would help a lot23:16
elninostill catching up on reading all of this.23:16
@preaction(the tinymce website should have a latest version demo you can try)23:16
ckotilk. problem is my users claim to haev all these problems but NEVER file a formal bug report with us23:16
ckotilonly last week finally squelched the MIME type issue with docx pptx etc... 23:17
ckotilwhich ive been hearinf about for 6 months.23:17
elninopreaction - the new "attachments"/file assets will still be attached to the articles, so that if a user views the article directly by url, they'll still see the attachments, right?23:17
@preactionmost people don't like asking for help, especially on something like computers (and especially from people who they know are smarter than them on the topic)23:17
@preactionelnino: it's not something i've thought about that much, but i want it to work more like the wiki attachments, where you drag/drop the attachments to the place you want them. most likely there would still also be the <tmpl_loop attachments> for the template people23:18
ckotilyah, that's too bad, when I really want to make the system work better23:18
@preactionlikewise, many of these trivial UI problems we have I never hear about because they aren't "bugs" per-se23:19
elninois the wiki attachments an aspect?23:19
@preactioni did some training runs last year, and that's when i really got a lot of feedback on how much we could improve our basics23:19
@preactionelnino: it's a form control, kinda. it's very hacky (due to the tinymce mostly)23:19
elninooh yea, I remember that.. It's very clunky. I never use it.23:20
@preactionEXACTLY! ;-)23:21
elninoi think it was a templating issue whenI tried it.- when the wiki first came out.23:21
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r924cc0d / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post/Thread.pm): Swap lastPostId and lastPostDate arguments when archiving a thread. Fixes bug #11398 - http://bit.ly/bmyMp600:50
+perlDreamerdionak++ for being the new Person Behind WebGUI00:50
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r8046cc7 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post/Thread.pm): Swap lastPostId and lastPostDate arguments when archiving a thread. Fixes bug #11398 - http://bit.ly/cXfmLj00:51
@preactiondionak++; # second00:52
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+perlDreamerpreaction, pending the last Code Editor bug, can we call 7.8.12 a release candidate?01:24
@preactionif you think so, i agree01:28
@preactionmost the bugs i saw were either long-standing or unverifiable01:28
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rc95464a / t/Session/Icon.t : update test for new icon code. - http://bit.ly/bJZ1hJ01:51
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb86d244 / t/Session/Icon.t : update test for new icon code. - http://bit.ly/90zR6t01:52
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r3fdade0 / t/Auth/LDAP.t : Fix a syntax error in t/Auth/LDAP.t - http://bit.ly/dcAXth02:39
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r80a7f7b / t/Auth/LDAP.t : Fix a syntax error in t/Auth/LDAP.t - http://bit.ly/bBM9iq02:39
+perlDreamergotta make dinner, bbl02:55
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elnino_laptophas anyone looked at cakephp? how does that compare to webgui?03:03
@preactionelnino_laptop: looks like it's a framework, not a CMS03:38
@preactionyou'd have to build a CMS on top of it (or find a CMS built on top of it)03:38
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8563340 / (t/Auth/LDAP.t t/LDAPLink.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): Update LDAP auth credentials, use built-in LDAP clean-up, fix broken tests. - http://bit.ly/cKpezf04:21
+perlDreamerLDAP is fix_ed.04:21
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * reec6472 / (t/Auth/LDAP.t t/LDAPLink.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): Update LDAP auth credentials, use built-in LDAP clean-up, fix broken tests. - http://bit.ly/apy4MA04:21
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+patspammmm cake05:52
+patspamewww php05:52
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r3b70d64 / (lib/WebGUI/Definition/Role/Object.pm t/Definition.t): rework WebGUI::Definition::Role::Object when passing sub refs for form property values. - http://bit.ly/cFKIOK06:39
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rb6e5656 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm t/Asset/Sku/Product.t): Fix deleteFileUrl for image*, warranty, brochure and other file collateral in the product. - http://bit.ly/cfX7qO06:39
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rd76a690 / asset_status.ods : Update status for Product. - http://bit.ly/c7FF8l06:39
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r6f1588d / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.7.32 release. - http://bit.ly/9Back506:55
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5513988 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.7.33 development. - http://bit.ly/bFQ2DX07:43
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ckotilMorning. Is there any kind of reporting for the data form asset?16:21
+bartjolee, that's default isn't it ckotil?16:28
ckotilnot that i can see. i can go to list all entries, or export tab delimited.16:29
+bartjolthere is an export data function, but you can also choose "List all entries" when logged in16:29
ckotili suppose export would be sufficient16:29
+bartjolthe list is the "report16:30
+bartjolI suppose you can template that16:30
ckotilyeah, i was hoping for breakdowns and percentages. but i can do that in excel16:30
+bartjolthere is a list template16:31
+bartjolI suppose you can use the template toolkit to get percentages16:31
ckotilyeah, good idea. thanks16:31
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+bartjolckotil: are there any approved rfe's you want supported?16:33
+bartjolstill get to get rid of 10000 karma16:35
SDuensinOh, gee, poor you.16:36
+bartjolyeah, I promised ning that I would spend it on rfe's16:36
+bartjolbut it's a bit strange to spend it all on my own rfe's16:36
ckotilyeah man!16:37
+bartjollike this one SDuensin? http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/1070116:38
ckotilholy crap. http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/add-a-summary-meta-data-input-field-to-file-pile-asset this one has an insanely high difficulty , and a ton of karma. if only JT would lower the difficulty on it ;)16:39
+bartjolckotil: you got 1000 karma for that one16:39
ckotilsweet, thanks man16:40
+bartjol3200 for the second16:40
+bartjolsd you got 100 to16:41
+bartjolSDuensin: and 600 for your itransact rfe16:43
SDuensinbartjol is a spendin' fool!16:43
+bartjolyeah, I feel really rich16:44
SDuensinYou could have ordered a dozen Gui's or something.  16:44
+bartjolaround 6000 left to spend16:44
+bartjolyeah, but a promise is a promise16:44
SDuensinThis is reminding me of the old episodes of "Wheel of Fortune".  "Uh, I'd like the jade elephant for $8000, Pat."16:45
ckotilIm all out of reasonable RFE's 16:49
SquOnk"Switch to PostreSQL" <g>16:51
SquOnkWhen is 7.8 going stable?16:51
+bartjolthere was a timetable for that in the roadmap I believe16:51
ckotilmight spark your interest http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/new-starting-point-for-navigation-asset16:51
+bartjolsince wg 8 development is taking a lot of time, the stable declaration might be later16:52
SquOnkSo there won't be 7.9?16:52
+bartjolI think there will be16:54
+bartjolWebGUI 7.8 should come out as stable in the first part of 2010.16:55
+bartjolthat is a quote16:55
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+bartjolask perldreamer later16:56
SquOnkI'm thinking Debian Squeeze. The freeze is supposed to happen in March. 7.7.32 is already in Debian Sid so having 7.8 would be great16:57
SynQis the amount of years you differ to the age of JT a good age indication?16:58
+bartjolah, well, the we can only hope that "the first part of 2010" is in februari17:01
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+bartjolah perlDreameris there already a better timing for "the first part of 2010"?17:11
+bartjolSquOnk wants to try to get 7.8 in the next debian before the freeze17:12
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+bartjolor do we have to bother pb guys about the stable declaration17:16
+perlDreamerwhen is the freeze?17:22
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+perlDreamerI think we'll make that.  It depends on how many old bugs we get fixed, and if we can stay on top of the new ones.17:30
+perlDreamerWRE and webgui.org and helpdesk bugs don't count17:30
+bartjolok, but maybe it's best to communicate with Squonk about it17:32
+bartjolI'm just a messenger now17:32
+bartjolmy finger is not deep (if at all)  in debian's porridge17:33
+bartjoland Koen asks you to stop releasing so frequently, he didn't give any reason. I'm just the mailserver. bug fixing should be good17:34
+perlDreamerwe slowed down to every other week, that's already pretty slow17:38
+perlDreamerSynQ: come and explain why every other week is too quick for a release schedule17:41
+perlDreamergotta run kids to school, be back in a bit17:45
SynQperlDreamer: I would just have more time to keep up with you17:48
SynQwho needs a new version any two weeks anyway :P17:49
SynQonce every 2 months should be enough for everybody17:50
SynQthat will give me time to wait for my new gadgets17:51
SynQI need to get my Prius, but it is being delayed due to the break issue17:51
SynQI need to get my new iPhone, but it is being delayed due to the subscription not expired yet17:52
+bartjolyeah, waiting is a labourous activity17:52
SDuensinOoo - Prius.  Gotta love a hackable car.  :-)17:53
SynQunstoppable car ;)17:53
* SDuensin has the big brother version... a Highlander hybrid.17:54
SDuensinIt may kill me with a random bug, but so far, I love the thing!17:54
SynQI don't think that is available in europe17:54
SDuensinWas hard to get in the USA when I bought it.  They shipped mine from Tokyo!17:55
* SynQ has a 2010 prius on order17:55
* SynQ has gotta take his BMW home now :)17:56
SynQI'll be back in a few hours to feed perlDreamer some more crap17:56
+bartjolpoor pd17:57
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+perlDreamerpreaction: are map point info windows drawn by WebGUI, or Google?18:23
+bartjolah, the text breaking bug18:26
+perlDreameryeah, finally got enough info to duplicate it18:26
+perlDreameras far as I can tell, these come right from Google18:27
+bartjolI haven't seen it before either18:31
+bartjolalmost thought something with picture dependancy18:31
+bartjolbut I haven't looked into it that far, just not started talking crap with vague suspicions18:32
+perlDreamerthere's no picture in this case, it's almost like some kind of width setting issue with URLs and long words that don't break18:36
+bartjolthe total width is set in the html18:43
+bartjolbut that's how far I came18:43
+bartjolbusy busy18:43
+perlDreameryes, but the HTML is autogenerated by Google, I believe18:44
+perlDreameroh, this is a real bug18:48
+perlDreamerit's not a rendering problem18:48
+perlDreamerthe URL is being truncated somehow18:48
+perlDreamerwhen it is submitted, the submitter sees everything okay, but if the page is reloaded, or another user comes along and edits the point, the URL is truncated to 23 characters18:50
+perlDreameroh, that is just evil and wrong!18:52
+perlDreamerthe website field is 22 characters long in the db.  I miscounted the length by 1.18:52
+bartjolwell, you found the cause18:53
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r24c7b5a / (2 files in 2 dirs): Increase the size of MapPoint fields so data is not truncated. Fixes bug #11394 - http://bit.ly/bjCu5C19:03
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd41b589 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Increase the size of MapPoint fields so data is not truncated. Fixes bug #11394 - http://bit.ly/9JzRej19:05
+perlDreamerand it's fixed19:08
+perlDreamerbartjol, I've been feeling your pain19:08
+perlDreamerI've done remodeling projects the last two weekends in a row19:09
+perlDreamerand probably have about 4 hours more work on Saturday19:09
+bartjolremodelling is just beginning to get painfull when people don't ask anymore whether how it's coming along19:11
+bartjolthe terrible silence19:11
+perlDreamerit's taking so long, though19:14
+bartjolah just ordered tickets for the neurotic deathfest concert19:14
+perlDreamerand you don't offer updates19:14
+bartjolwell, i can shower at home19:14
+perlDreameryeah, the neurotic deathfest19:14
+perlDreamerStarring perlDreamer and the WebGUI 8 Hack Team19:14
+bartjoli can't give an update for every tile i attached to the wall19:14
+perlDreamerArguing ad extremis is considered bad form, my boy19:16
+bartjolwell, I have to start somewhere19:18
+bartjolbut somewhere next week, all the tiles may be on my walls, and some people are going to give me prices for replacing my concrete floor19:19
+bartjolnot all tiles, not in the toilet yet19:19
+bartjolso where my shower, washing machine and wash bowl is19:20
+bartjolso I can shower AND shave19:20
+bartjoland do laundry (when my electricity there is installed)19:21
+bartjolI hope that was enough update for now, but didn't kathy showed the pictures of my shower?19:23
+perlDreamerI don't think so.  I'll have her do that tonight19:23
+bartjolshe said to me she liked the shower19:23
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+perlDreamerwow!  Nice tile work, bartjol19:25
+bartjolnot that many pictures, and on their side, but still19:25
+bartjolyeah, lot off work19:25
+bartjolbut I'm happy with it19:25
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rc633103 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Update the ZipArchive for Moose. - http://bit.ly/cviLFh19:28
+perlDreamerHaarg: what do you think about using Moose delegation to handle Keywords?19:59
@Haargseems reasonable20:01
+perlDreamerthe only issue I see is the $asset->get('keywords'), since in that case we want to map a call to $asset->keywords to $asset->keywords->getKeywordsForAsset20:02
+perlDreamerrather, $asset->getKeywordsForAsset20:02
+perlDreamerbut I can do that with around, I think20:02
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+perlDreamerbut the instanciator is a problem20:11
@preactionwhich instantiator?20:12
+perlDreamerthe one that the delegator should build for WebGUI::Keyword20:13
@preactionhas 'keywords' => ( default => sub { WebGUI::Keyword->new( $_[0]->session, $_[0]->getId ); }, lazy => 1 );20:13
+perlDreamerthat looks like it's been pasted from WebGUIX :)20:14
@preactionit hasn't. WebGUIx would be: __PACKAGE__->has_many( "keywords", "WebGUIx::Asset::Keyword" );20:15
+perlDreamerI'll see how that works with the delegation stuff20:18
+perlDreamerpreaction, did you also alter Keywords so that it would take an optional asset in the instanciator?20:23
@preactionbut since I hate the keywords API we have, i'm going to end up rewriting it20:24
+perlDreamerI would suggest using hash based args, instead of hashrefs20:24
+perlDreamersince Moose delegation and currying won't handle stuffing hashrefs, from what I'm seeing20:25
@preactionno, but also the method names are horrible, you should use the delegation to fix that probably20:25
+perlDreameragain, I can't, since I can't curry in the asset argument to those horribly named methods20:26
+perlDreamerI'd have to change the API for Keyword20:26
+perlDreamerwhich is legal, but more work20:26
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CIA-48webgui: Doug Bell master * rc3b554e / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : added changelog for code editor bugfixen - http://bit.ly/biFxrW22:25
CIA-48webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r4bf4391 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : added code editor fixes to changelog - http://bit.ly/afQr9m22:27
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* SynQ hugs perlDreamer 23:19
* perlDreamer would hug back, but I'm doing some emergency bug fixing23:19
SynQthat is what you get when you put out a lot of releases :P23:22
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+perlDreamerokay, let's debate release frequency00:11
@preactionwe should never release00:11
@preactionreleased software always has bugs in it00:11
+perlDreamerunreleased software doesn't?00:11
@preactionno, it does, but if it's unreleased people don't care00:12
+perlDreamerSynQ: ping00:12
SynQpreaction: good plan00:15
@preactionyay! my inbox is clean again! I can work on WebGUI 8 for the first time in 3 months!00:15
+perlDreamerdidn't we have this discussion, about 2 years ago, where we weren't releasing often enough?00:20
+perlDreamerthen we went to weeklies00:20
+perlDreamerand weekly didn't work for Debian, so we slowed down to every other week00:20
+perlDreamerI think that no matter what we do someone is going to be unhappy00:21
SynQperlDreamer: I'm just trying to get you in the harness00:21
SynQthat is very true00:21
SynQbut I am happy00:21
+perlDreamerso, I do have a solution for this00:21
SynQI'm just not able to keep up with the releases00:21
+perlDreamerwe do what preaction says, and stop releasing software00:21
+perlDreamerif people want it, we have a public git repository00:21
+perlDreamerthey can pull anytime they want00:21
SynQthat won't work00:21
+perlDreameryou can cherry pick bug fixes, skip features00:22
+perlDreamertake all or none on your own schedule00:22
+perlDreamerto compensate for that, all commits will require a successful run of the test suite00:22
+perlDreamerotherwise it will be rejected00:22
SynQah :)00:22
SynQso we will do minutly releases then00:22
+perlDreamerno, no releases00:23
SynQevery commit will be a release00:23
+perlDreamerpotentially, but you don't have to take it00:23
SynQI'm basically on that schedule for the WRE00:23
+perlDreameractually, who says that you have to install every release, SynQ?00:23
@preactionoh, wait, i gotta fix a Wg7 bug before i can work on wg8... blast!00:23
SynQbut I want to reward your hard work by using the releases00:24
+perlDreamerI have to support people using 6.8, it will not offend me at all if you do not install every releaes00:24
SynQand it makes me feel sad not being able to00:24
* perlDreamer suspectes that a Dutch chop-busting is going on...00:24
SynQwith you working so hard on it and all00:24
@preactionwho are you supporting running 6.8?00:25
@preactionnone of our clients, i hope00:25
SynQclient is a big word00:25
@preactionit's also a 4-letter word00:26
+perlDreameryes, but it's also a 5-letter word.  Money00:26
SynQit's probably and e-tla00:26
+perlDreamerno clients == no cash00:26
+perlDreamerand no cash means perlDreamer has to go back to slinging silicon again00:26
SynQperlDreamer: keep up the good work00:27
SynQI'm going to catch some nice dreams about pearl white cars00:27
+perlDreamerSynQ, I don't suppose you'd do some 7.8 testing for us, would you?00:28
SynQwith brakes that work00:28
SynQperlDreamer: what kind of testing?00:28
SynQyou want me to find even more bugs00:28
+perlDreamerwe're close to 7.8-stabl00:28
+perlDreamerplease, let's find them now, instead of after the release00:28
SynQbut then preaction won't be able to work on wg8800:28
+perlDreamerI'll fix bugs00:28
SynQI'd love to00:29
SynQbut I have to go and lie in bed with my wife who is ill00:29
+perlDreameroh, yeah00:29
+perlDreamergo do that00:29
+perlDreamerwhat did you do to make her ill?00:29
SynQI did nothing wrong00:29
SynQI swear I didn't00:29
SynQit's the bad weather and her mother00:30
+perlDreamerplease tell her that Kathy and I will pray for her00:30
SynQshe threw up in the hallway last monday00:30
SynQI will00:30
SynQhope that helps00:30
SynQdo pray for her mother too then, whe need her too00:31
SynQTessa was terrified when her mother fell to the ground after throwing up00:31
+perlDreamer1 prayer 4-pack coming up, since little Emma should not get the throwing up either00:31
SynQI have never heared such a panicky scream00:32
SynQI think Tessa thought she was going to die or something00:32
SynQbut I know her mother is a though one00:32
+perlDreamerand Tessa got sick, too?00:33
SynQI had to pick her up when she was halfway on her way home00:33
SynQit's snowing badly here00:33
SynQshe was really glad I did pick her up00:33
SynQso tomorrow I will be nursing both my daughter, wife and dog00:34
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+perlDreamerit's nice that you have the option to work from home in emergencies00:38
SynQI would be very unhappy if I wouldn't have that option00:39
+perlDreamerare JS regular expressions as greedy as Perl regexen?00:44
SynQnow I'm going to bed for real00:45
SynQnite nite00:45
+perlDreamergood night, my friend00:45
@preactionperlDreamer: yes00:45
+perlDreamerthen this gobbles: /<[^>]*>/g00:46
@preactionit gobbles what i want it to gobble00:46
@preaction<, any character that is not a >, and >00:46
@preactionoh, we're not working on the same problem00:47
@preactionare we?00:47
* perlDreamer is trying to help, but I should probably stick with wg800:47
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@preactionno, please, i can't figure this out00:48
@preactioni can't even reproduce it anymore for some reason00:48
+perlDreamerIE8 on XP00:48
@preactionokay, i'll try that00:49
+perlDreamersorry, IE7 on XP00:49
@preactionIE7 works for me00:49
@preactionIE6 too00:49
* perlDreamer will try again00:54
@preactionHOLY CRAP it just did it!00:55
+perlDreamerare you using the realyLongLine file?00:55
+perlDreamerit breaks for me every time00:55
@preactionyeah, i00:55
@preactionthinking it was because i copy/pasted from an existing code editor instead of the original text00:56
@preactionor maybe because i copy/pasted from a web browser, where things were already escaped00:56
@preactiondamnit, why did it have to be IE? it's impossible to debug things quickly in IE...00:57
@preactionit's happening before the highlight routines01:00
@preactionit happens whether or not there's a space after the </a>, but putting a space there changes what happens01:00
+perlDreamerstrange that it only works for pasting01:02
@preactioni have a theory: what if the YUI Editor is doing something to the pasted stuff01:02
+perlDreamerif that is true, then we can check the carousel01:03
@preactionit might be necessary for the normal Editor, but wrong for the code editor, but do check01:08
+perlDreamerI'm reinstalling IE7 right now01:12
+perlDreamerthis thing is slower than frozen whale snot01:17
+perlDreamer2 reboots to install IE701:17
+perlDreamercarousel seems to work okay01:23
+perlDreamerPasting only the last little bit causes the problem to show up01:26
+perlDreamer<a href="http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/">Home</a>01:26
+perlDreamertry this01:29
+perlDreamerpaste the line above01:29
+perlDreamerthen hit enter two time01:29
+perlDreamerthen paste again01:29
+perlDreamerand each newline will show up as $101:29
@preactiondifferent bug, i cleaned out some old code and missed it01:32
+perlDreameryou can undo it01:34
+perlDreamerif you paste, then hit Ctrl-Z, it will undo the brokeness01:34
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+perlDreamerthat is some nasty predistort01:36
+perlDreamerI see what you mean about it happening before the highlight01:37
+perlDreamerthe code gets all wierded up, then the highlight code breaks it01:37
@preactionit is something to do with the highlight, i moved the highlight code from keyup to beforeeditorkeydown01:40
@preactionand now i paste, and everything appears fine, then i hit enter and it breaks01:40
@preactionwhen i put target="_blank" after the href="" in the home tag, it doesn't break01:42
+perlDreamerfor me, it's still broken if we extend SimpleEditor instead of Editor01:43
+perlDreamerbut it's less JS...01:43
+perlDreamerit's the link highlighting code01:47
+perlDreamerin the core editor01:47
+perlDreamerit's inserting stuff that's bunging up the highlighter01:47
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@preactionwhat line?01:47
+perlDreamerI don't know.  I went to dev.yahoo.com and tried some of their examples01:47
+perlDreamerand then I noticed that the link underlining is in exactly the same place as the broken code inserted by the editor before the highlighting01:48
@preactionand it happens there too?01:48
+perlDreameryes, but differently01:48
+perlDreamercan we disable link underlining/detection?01:48
@preactionif yui is putting in links, it must be putting in some of its own markup01:49
+perlDreamerand that's what's messing up the highlighting (IMO)01:50
+perlDreamerI pasted in <a href="http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu">Home</a>01:51
+perlDreamerand it underlined everything from http:// all the way to the end of the closing anchor tag01:51
+perlDreamerI'll take some screenshots and paste them up somewhere.01:54
@preactioni see that too, when i paste using the menu instead of Ctrl+V01:55
@preactionit's the _fixNodes method in simpleeditor01:59
@preactionbefore the yui editor does anything to the text, we need to escape the HTML, agreed?02:00
@preactionnope, nm, not _fixNodes02:07
@preactionit's _nodeChange, or something called by it02:15
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@preactionnope, not that either. they're both overridden and no change02:21
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+perlDreamerpreaction: that first link was interesting, this one is the answer http://yuilibrary.com/projects/yui2/ticket/252854802:47
+perlDreamerdav: "        Setting to future, pasting into the Editor is not supported.      "02:48
+perlDreamerif it works at all, it must be accidental02:48
@preaction"pasting into the Editor is not supported."02:48
@preactionbut yes, that is the problem02:49
@preactioni'll mark it waiting on external, then i'll see about fixing the bug in YUI. this is not an acceptable bug...02:49
+perlDreamerthat bug is about pasting from the Editor into the Editor, but still, this is close enough02:50
@preactionso we are where we started really, there's still a bug that needs fixing, it just won't prevent us from going stable...02:50
@preactionoh, this might not be the same problem02:51
@preactionat least, that problem is easy to fix02:51
+perlDreamerI don't see any show stopper bugs on the list now.02:56
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@preactioni'm thinking now that it's actually IE doing this03:10
@preactionwhen it inserts HTML elements, they're upper-case03:10
+perlDreamerI opened up a bug for it on their site: http://yuilibrary.com/projects/yui2/ticket/252878903:11
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+perlDreamerall the HTML elements I"m seeing on IE7 are still lower case03:15
@preactionyou have to get the HTML before the highlighter gets to it03:15
@preactionlet me start up a logging instance, i've been doing alert() bs, and IE doesn't let you copy/paste from alerts03:15
+perlDreamerbut we wrote the highlighter03:15
+perlDreamerthat shouldn't be a problem at all03:16
@preactioni'll paste what IE does to the html. turning it back into text right away actually works, but highlighting what it does to the html doesn't work03:17
+perlDreamermaybe the SimpleEditor is not the right "tool" to build this on top of03:18
+perlDreamerbut I'm not about to suggest that to Dav ;)03:18
@preactioneh, i think the editor needs a ground-up rewrite to be honest03:19
+perlDreamerGooey makes a very good cable management tool03:21
@preactionhttp://gist.github.com/301096 <- this is what IE did03:27
+perlDreameryes, although you can duplicate the bug with the smaller snippet: <a href="http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/">Home</a>03:30
@preactionyes, and even smaller. i think it's the www., or http://, or something.something.{com|net|org|edu|gov}03:30
@preactionif it can be detected, it can be worked around03:31
@preactionoh, duh. if the highlighted text contains an <A ... /A>...03:32
+perlDreamermaybe, if we had a way to turn off the Editor and turn it back into a text area, then it would safe to paste?03:32
@preactionbut why? i mean, i'm going to add one anyway, but why do it just to work around a bug?03:34
@preactionright now we just remove the actual tags, leaving the content between the tags03:34
+perlDreamerbecause in the short term, I think it would be the workaround for ALL bugs03:34
@preactionproblem here: IE is adding a full <A> CONTENT </A> tag03:34
+perlDreamerjust turn it off03:34
@preactionwhat other bugs are there?03:35
+perlDreamerturning off the editor would have addressed the focus bug03:35
+perlDreamerI don't think we've used the Code Editor enough to really shake it out yet03:35
@preactionoh, that focus bug03:36
@preactionif we give users a workaround, they'll always use it, but worse: They'll never report the problems03:37
@preactionit's incredible to me, but apparently people don't like reporting problems03:37
+perlDreamerit's just laziness03:37
@preactionanyway, imma post a diff, could you verify?03:37
@preactionnm, doesn't work. works for the small one, but not the big example03:40
+perlDreamerit's a start03:41
@preactionit's because for some reason the ">Home is put into the URL unescaped...03:42
@preactionyou know, this wouldn't be so difficult if IE actually added VALID HTML FOR GOD'S SAKE03:45
@preaction&lt;a href="<A href='http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/">Home</a></div'>http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/"&gt;Home&lt;/a&gt; <- i need to change that to &lt;a href="<A href='http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/">Home</a></div'>http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/"&gt;Home&lt;/a&gt;03:47
@preactionhref=(['"]).*?\1 <- would do it in Perl, but can't seem to do it in JS03:48
@preactionoh, wait, right, before that i can't do that (it will nest "", thus creating completely broken HTML no matter what)03:48
+perlDreamerit wants to become 03:51
+perlDreamer&lt;a href="<A href='http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/'>http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/"&gt;Home&lt;/a&gt;03:51
+perlDreameruh, getting closer03:52
+perlDreamer&lt;a href="<A href='http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/'>http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/</A>"&gt;Home&lt;/a&gt;03:52
@preactionso what i want is <A .+? >anything</A>03:56
+perlDreamersingle quotes work fine in the short snippet03:58
* perlDreamer takes a dinner break03:59
@preaction... i'm going to have to actually parse this...04:00
@preactionthat's the real problem: i'm parsing HTML with regular expressions04:01
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@preactionHA! I think I got it now04:22
@preactionbut it's a much much bigger patch04:22
@preactionperlDreamer: Try this diff and let me know? http://gist.github.com/30113204:24
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+perlDreamerpreaction: excelsior!04:33
@preactionit works?04:33
+perlDreamerboth the small snippet and long snippet work04:33
@preactionyay! now to make it more sane04:34
+perlDreamerhold on04:34
+perlDreamernegative, the long one does not work04:35
+perlDreameryes, it did04:36
+perlDreamerstoopid Notepad04:36
+perlDreamerthat works, just drop an entire HTML parser into it04:37
+perlDreamernot it will only break for CSS, JS XML and other stuff :)04:38
+perlDreamerbe back later tonight04:38
@preactionbut IE doesn't add extra CSS, JS, or XML04:38
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elninohmm. somewhere I saw where I can add icons for additional file types.. Where did I see that?05:16
elninoah foudn it.05:23
+perlDreamerwhere's that?05:55
+perlDreamerpreaction, now can you start on some wg8?05:56
@preactionwell, tomorrow after i commit that change, yeah06:00
elninoperlDreamer, are you asking me?06:00
+perlDreameryup, how do you add extra file icons?06:00
elninowrote it up here just for you =)  : http://www.webgui.org/wiki/adding-new-file-asset-icons06:01
+perlDreamerthose can also be filed as bugs, to be added to the core06:02
+perlDreamerespecially if they're formatted as patches against the latest WebGUI rev06:04
+perlDreameralso, if you submit a patch to fix a bug, I can give you karma06:04
+perlDreamerthat's not as good as grace and everlasting salvation, but it works pretty well in the WebGUI community06:05
elninolol..  06:05
elninoI don't know what the appropriate icon is for m4a, all I did was copies mp3's icon. 06:05
elninoI just wanted something other than "unknown"06:06
elninoI was kinda curious as to how you guys decided on mp3's icon, I didn't find "webgui's choice of icon" in images.google.com. 06:07
elninonot that I'm an expert. There is only so much you can show in t 16x1606:07
elninoso how do I generate a patch?  is there a way to use diff?06:08
* elnino looks06:08
+perlDreamerto use diff, you'd need two branches, the original, and the new06:17
+perlDreameror, to use git to pull a repository from github, and you can do a diff against that06:17
@preactionif you do a google for "famfamfam", i think i want to change webgui's icon set to that in 7.9 or 8.006:18
elninoI posted an bugreport with the patch. Thanks!06:38
@preactionno, thank you06:39
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+perlDreamerhola, patspam07:35
+patspamhey hey!07:35
+patspamthunderstorms here07:35
+perlDreamerwhat time are you flying over Oregon?07:35
+patspamwell, I leave melbourne 12pm Friday EST07:36
+patspam(friday week that is)07:36
+patspamso... (are you planning on waving as I fly over?)07:36
+perlDreamerI will.  And I'll point at a nearby winery, too07:36
+patspamnice! fingers crossed about OSCON07:37
+patspamthen you can actually take me to one :)07:37
+perlDreamerIf you get invited to OSCON, I'll take you to several07:37
+patspamI did my FilePump talk at Melbourne OSDC last night (open source developers club)07:38
+patspamgot lots of questions from people interested in wG afterwards07:38
+perlDreamerawesome.  Don't forget to mention that we're moving to Moose, too.07:39
+patspamyeah! Moose, memcached, plack.. wG is going to be the poster-child of modern perl07:41
+patspamis DBIx part of wg8?07:41
+perlDreamerno, that's the one  missing piece07:42
+perlDreamerpreaction says that's a wg9 piece07:42
@preactionyou mean DBIC?07:42
@preactionyeah, not yet07:42
+patspamprobably sensible to try not to rewrite absolutely everything in one iteration07:42
@preactionwe have to figure out why my performance tests put it at 50% of the speed of the current system07:42
@preactionbaby steps, after all07:43
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+perlDreamertime for this baby to crawl into bed07:46
+perlDreamergood night, friends and hackers, all07:46
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+bartjolhaha, I was right18:24
+perlDreamerbut of course18:26
+bartjoland dit you berate your wife about not passing on the updates on my house?18:27
+perlDreamerNo, I had to apologize.  She had shown me those pictures before18:27
+perlDreamerI forgot18:27
+perlDreamerAs I get older, it gets easier to do both of those18:28
+bartjolthat can happen, on a busy road, grass does not grow18:28
+perlDreamerYou Dutch people are just full of sayings18:29
+perlDreamerpaginator bug18:36
+bartjolwe are, we like sayings that make us full18:37
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc785474 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix pagination isses in Active Sessions when a session is deleted. Fixes bug #11400 - http://bit.ly/ap1dMZ18:51
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r55257ec / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix pagination issues in Active Sessions when a session is deleted. Fixes bug #11400 - http://bit.ly/b9imv218:52
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+perlDreamerbopbop, I just committed a minor change to Active Sessions that you should know about19:01
+perlDreamerif you delete a session, it would reset you to page 119:01
+perlDreamerand it doesn't do that anymore19:01
@bopbopok...now it does what?19:01
+perlDreamerit takes you back to the same page19:01
+perlDreamerso if you had lots of sessions, and were on page 3/10, and delete a session from that page, it takes you back to page 3 again19:02
@bopbopthat's better :)19:02
+perlDreamerI did briefly think about starting a pronoun/grammar debate, arguing "that" would refer to "reset you to page 1"19:09
+perlDreamerthen I remembered I'd be debating grammar with a professional writer and teacher19:09
+perlDreamerand thought better of it19:09
+perlDreamernow I think I'll go to the gym19:11
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+perlDreamerthat's awesome!20:26
+perlDreamerGooey is in the new Toy Story 3 movie!20:27
+perlDreamerI love the publicity20:27
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r45eb743 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/UserList.pm : Update UserList for Moose.21:07
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r54cfb61 / (asset_status.ods lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/WeatherData.pm): Update WeatherData for Moose. - http://bit.ly/9aOYRs21:21
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rda64cc9 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/TimeTracking.pm : Update TimeTracking for Moose. - http://bit.ly/99WeZo21:38
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elninohi. I added a site search to the site, and NOTHING shows up.. Is it normal proceedure to have to reindex your site when you add a search asset?22:04
elninohmm. ok. then, I know there were a bunch of issues on webgui.org with the search, what version did those get fixed?22:05
elninohmm. after I did a indexsite, I'm still not getting any results. and I know the word I'm search for is in there MANy times.22:09
@preactionis it a stopword?22:09
@preactionthen i don't know22:10
elninogrr.. hold on.22:10
elninothere it is. 22:10
* elnino is embarrased22:10
+perlDreamernah, nothing to worry about22:37
+perlDreamerembarrassed is when you put bugs into WebGUI22:37
@preactionnah, embarrassed is when you take down customer servers22:39
@preactionor make a release destroy websites22:39
+perlDreamerI've done that, too22:39
+perlDreamerbut of course, you knew that which is WHY YOU SAID IT IN A PUBLIC IRC CHANNEL!!!!22:40
@preactionyou too? OMG WE HAVE SO MUCH IN COMMON!22:42
+perlDreamerwe may have stuff in common, but I'm not signing up for the "Busted Hacker in December" program22:42
+perlDreamerthis year is JT's turn22:43
@preactionwell, there is that memcached driver he wrote and committed that doesn't actually ever cache anything22:44
elninotoo funny22:45
+perlDreamerare you serious?22:46
+perlDreamerno wonder it benchmarks so well22:46
@preactionyou mean poorly22:46
@preactionit benched the same as our current DB cache driver22:46
@preaction(which makes sense, since it would always go to the DB to get data)22:46
@preactionare we on 7.7.33 now?22:49
+perlDreamerand I owe you an email about Keywords in wg822:49
@preactioni owe you one on when/how we're going to make the root WG8 branch (which we should do soon, merging static_definition, form_builder, and innodb22:51
+perlDreamerthere's already a root webgui8 branch, WebGUI822:52
+perlDreamerit just needs some love, attention, and merging with conflict resolution22:52
+perlDreamerI vote we make Haarg do it22:53
@preactionit needs to be rebuilt from static_definition, after pulling out any needed code22:53
+perlDreameractually, I vote that you make me do it with Haarg for moral and technical support22:53
@preactioni don't even want to know how we're going to keep merging master with WebGUI8 over and over22:53
CIA-48webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * rbaa7849 / (4 files in 4 dirs): 22:54
CIA-48webgui: fix #11285: Pasting HTML into Code Editor in IE22:54
CIA-48webgui: Conflicts:22:54
CIA-48webgui:  docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt22:54
CIA-48webgui:  www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js - http://bit.ly/d5zprY22:54
CIA-48webgui: Doug Bell master * r0041aee / (4 files in 4 dirs): fix #11285: Pasting HTML into Code Editor in IE - http://bit.ly/9eXAOB22:54
+perlDreamerwith wg8 taking so long, we don't have many options22:55
+perlDreamerfor example, the Thingy tests go into an infinite loop that I think I fixed in the master branch22:55
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r059cb42 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm : Update Thingy for Moose. - http://bit.ly/cmHoGR22:56
+perlDreamerif you fix the caching, I bet the Article tests will pass22:57
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@Haargi started looking at merging static_definition and WebGUI8, but the first things i ran into were conflicts regarding cache changes23:20
@preactionwell we're pulling out the changes to cache, and iirc those are the only changes in WebGUI823:20
@Haargother than some small stuff23:21
@preactionthe innodb stuff is in another branch, but i'll take a look anyway23:21
@Haargbut we'll also want to merge in master23:21
@Haargi stopped working on the merge when i saw the cache changes because i know it is going to change23:21
@Haargbut on the other hand, a lot of the cache changes could still be relevant23:21
@preactionalso true, i'm going to save them before i go further23:22
@Haargsince it changes to using $session->cache->something23:22
@preactionhell, i could just mv WebGUI8 -> cache, mv static_definition -> WebGUI8, and then start merging stuff23:22
+perlDreamernot merge?23:32
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r63f829e / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Fix processTemplate for new instanciators and exception handling. - http://bit.ly/cpweHv23:50
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rd41affa / (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t): Update Survey for Moose and new accessors. Also update the tests. - http://bit.ly/9sJVne23:55
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r6e4e666 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/StockData.pm : Update StockData for Moose. - http://bit.ly/b4GW0Q00:01
+perlDreamertime to go fetch the kiddos00:01
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+perlDreamerthe link underlining bug was assigned to dav01:02
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r34b513a / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SQLReport.pm : Partial update of SQLReport for Moose. Still needs to resolve i18n labels in the properties where the label is concatenated with a string. - http://bit.ly/db7Ldi01:56
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rfb87626 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Search.pm : Update Search for Moose. - http://bit.ly/cTX2DO02:03
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r5259184 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Search.pm : remove definition sub - http://bit.ly/apN9xj02:04
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r54fa46a / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ProjectManager.pm : Update ProjectManager for Moose. - http://bit.ly/9aOZiG02:10
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r3d1491a / (2 files): Updating Poll and MultiSearch for Moose. Poll conversion is not finished yet. - http://bit.ly/aUAsU702:37
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r3596944 / asset_status.ods : Updated status spreadsheet. - http://bit.ly/aherRs02:37
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r2cb4bc4 / (6 files): remove definition subroutine from these already converted assets. - http://bit.ly/cU4rDl02:40
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rdf2cc42 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/MessageBoard.pm : Update MessageBoard for Moose. - http://bit.ly/942FZI02:53
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r20aff04 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Update Matrix and MatrixListing for Moose. Needs the Comments Role in order to check tests further. - http://bit.ly/cX2LNl03:43
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SquOnkperlDreamer: Got your message.03:54
SquOnkperlDreamer: What's needed for the UTF8 bug? (It's the SynContent one, right?)03:54
+perlDreameryes, I thought you were going to have a look at it, then you got busy with school and all04:39
SquOnkperlDreamer: Aha04:39
SquOnkperlDreamer: So, it's a matter of getting the tests running04:39
+perlDreamerSquOnk: I believe so.  Didn't Haarg send you some extra, non-core tests that were failing?04:40
SquOnkperlDreamer: Yes, but I didn't bookmark it04:41
+perlDreamerhm, let's check the IRC logs04:41
+perlDreamerSquOnk: there is a little bit here: http://mentalhouse.net/irc/logs/webgui/2009-12.log04:44
+perlDreamerbut the log in January 2010 is spotty04:45
+perlDreamerI do remember Haarg sending you a link, but that is all04:45
SquOnkI'll ask him again tomorrow04:46
SquOnkI have a long weekend ahead, since monday and tuesday are holidays here.04:46
SquOnkNo point in going to the office04:46
* perlDreamer suggests an email, instead of IRC talk04:46
SquOnkWell, off to sleep.04:52
SquOnkLet's talk about it tomorrow04:52
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r213458d / (lib/WebGUI/Asset/MapPoint.pm lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Map.pm): Updating Map and MapPoint for Moose. - http://bit.ly/9Q0cke05:10
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r2ccfde2 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/MapPoint.pm : Removing definition subroutine. - http://bit.ly/dzSstP05:13
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r3d733a1 / lib/WebGUI/Definition/Role/Object.pm : Add subtext to list of form fields that will do i18n lookups. - http://bit.ly/9NylAx05:15
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rd3ea16a / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/InOutBoard.pm : Update InOutBoard for Moose. - http://bit.ly/96uquG05:20
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r4f2c549 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/InOutBoard.pm : remove the definition sub. - http://bit.ly/bxS33b05:21
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r03ccc7f / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/HttpProxy.pm : Update HttpProxy for Moose. - http://bit.ly/dAJRj105:29
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r3b4dd65 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/ZipArchive.pm : Update for Moose accessors - http://bit.ly/ar1ATI05:32
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r3e61af5 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Redirect.pm : Update Redirect for Moose. - http://bit.ly/cmaaob05:37
+perlDreamerThere are a lot of Assets in WebGUI05:37
+perlDreamer55 of them05:38
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r383eb73 / asset_status.ods : Updating status spreadsheet. - http://bit.ly/bg2J1j06:31
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r8c38f88 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/RichEdit.pm : RichEditor is updated for Moose. Still needs toolbar row support for editing. - http://bit.ly/cSuMiv06:32
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elnino_laptopok experts!!! What do I need to know about putting videos on a website?  what do I need to look at for bandwidth considerations?07:02
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elnino_laptopwhat is patspam's website?16:13
elnino_laptopsorry, sdh's website16:13
elnino_laptopoh never mind. foundit.16:14
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+perlDreamerwhoa!  Hordes of PB people in IRC.17:48
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+perlDreamerpreaction, I'm sorry17:54
@HaargperlDreamer, is there any reason to keep the moose-definition branch around?18:46
+perlDreamernone that I can think of18:46
+perlDreamerit's all merged into static_definition, so deleting the branch won't lose any history18:46
+perlDreamerare you wg8'ing today, Haarg?18:46
@Haargi'll help if i can.  i have a number of other things to do as well.18:47
+perlDreamerif you want to slough off tasks to me to free you up for wg8, let me know18:48
@Haargit's client stuff18:49
+perlDreamerpreaction said not to do any wg8 work today, due to merging18:49
@Haargit should be pretty easy to re-merge anything if you continued working, but playing it safe may be a good idea18:49
+perlDreamerthere are always bugs to fix :)18:50
CIA-48webgui: Graham Knop static_definition * rf037edf / lib/WebGUI/Definition.pm : always enable perl 5.10 features in Definition based classes - http://bit.ly/cGpqY718:50
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra2bdf95 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Add a M4A icon - http://bit.ly/chF2MU19:25
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r56223cc / (3 files in 3 dirs): Add a M4A icon - http://bit.ly/asmYep19:25
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r750aec8 / docs/migration.txt : Update migration docs for instanciators and Moose defintion. - http://bit.ly/c3OidC21:01
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r74ccbef / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Update POD in Asset.pm for ->new - http://bit.ly/9VCtEh21:01
@preactionyou know, now that i think about it, why are the following things assets?21:11
@preactionRich Editor, Template21:11
@Haargtemplates get versioning21:12
@preactionokay, that'd be nice to keep21:12
@Haargrich editor that is of questionable value.21:13
@Haargversioning, organization, packaging, prototyping.21:13
@preactionwhich reminds me that i want packages to be able to include stuff like workflows and settings21:14
@Haargi'm not sure how to do it, but it's worth thinking about combining packages and prototypes for in-site use, and have packages for exporting/importing as a separate system.21:15
+perlDreamerhow is the merge going?21:16
+perlDreamerI'm anxious to get the SQL Report back up to speed21:16
@preactionstill doing support21:16
+perlDreameram I clear to hack for a while then?21:16
@preactiongo for it21:16
@preactiononce i do support i have to fix TGC21:16
+perlDreamerwhat needs to be fixed?21:16
+perlDreameror do you mean "neutered" :D21:16
@preactionoh, well, it seems that i can't just add a row to the db, because building a page can take 20-40 minutes21:17
@preactionoh, and i checked on the stats of the mac they got in the office, and it's a 2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo with 2GB RAM21:18
+perlDreamerthat ought to build PDFs pretty easily21:18
@preactionwell, the server has 2 dual-core 2.4G processors with 4G RAM21:19
@preactionand it takes 20-40 minutes (but it is niced down)21:19
@preactionof course, modperl probably takes up 2G of that21:19
@preaction(well, webgui entire)21:19
@preactionbut yes, i do believe that the mac sitting on that desk will have no problem handling PDF generation21:20
@preactioni'm going to use my mac mini (less powerful than that mac) to test it21:20
@preactionjust because they said i couldn't do it, doesn't mean i can't spend my free time on it21:20
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rd6cbcf4 / (3 files in 3 dirs): getFormProperties now also passes i18n arguments to sprintf if requested. - http://bit.ly/ajNvcw21:33
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r98af8f2 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix SQL Report i18n for numbered labels. - http://bit.ly/94B14V22:00
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doc777Hello friends :o)    When using the latest wre / webgui what determines the default site shown when you pull up the server by ipaddress?  I would like to change that...22:06
@preactiondoc777: the default vhost is the first vhost listed in the apache configuration22:11
@preactionunder the WRE, this is the first alphabetically22:11
@preactionif you go into the etc/modproxy.conf file and look for "Include *.modproxy", if you put a <VirtualHost *:80> block before that, you can make a new default vhost22:11
doc777Yep, they are in alpha order. Thank you!22:11
doc777Ok great, I will check that out.22:12
+perlDreamerHaarg, before I go reinventing the wheel, did you figure out how to use WebGUI::Definition properties and attributes when creating roles?22:20
@Haargno, i haven't tried to do that22:21
+perlDreamerI'll think about it while I'm running22:24
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doc777my webgui log is filling up with"/WebGUI/Content/FilePump.pm line 6".  Is this something I should look into?  :o)22:42
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elninowhat is this "cloud computing"  Someone was talking about using amazon ec2 for hosting a website?  what???00:37
@preactionus pirg uses ec2 to host webgui sites00:57
@preactioncap10morgan has worked with them (or does work for them)00:57
@preactioni think, could be wrong00:57
+cap10morganyes that's correct00:59
+cap10morganbut i'm leaving staff at the end of the month00:59
+cap10morgan(and am running out the door right at the moment too, sorry)00:59
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r2799685 / asset_status.ods : Update status. - http://bit.ly/dxZuKc01:45
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r24e4d8d / lib/WebGUI/Asset/WikiPage.pm : Convert WikiPage over to Moose. Still needs roles. - http://bit.ly/94yiNo02:17
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r6b0d8f7 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/WikiPage.pm : Fix an i18n typo. - http://bit.ly/dmDzH202:19
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r967d307 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/WikiMaster.pm : Remove definition subroutine. - http://bit.ly/9XZOvV02:39
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r005af2d / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Ad.pm : Update AdSku for Moose. Something funny about the karma option. - http://bit.ly/bacuJ302:47
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r59d2808 / asset_status.ods : Updated with latest status. - http://bit.ly/bV2gca02:48
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CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6d00e46 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a missing database column in the AdSku. Fixes bug #11406. - http://bit.ly/cet7gp03:29
CIA-48webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r289ee27 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a missing database column in the AdSku. Fixes bug #11406. - http://bit.ly/cDPC4403:31
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elninopreaction - I just saw you're response about ec206:34
elninois us pirg a company?06:34
elninoor typo =)06:34
elninoand how is cloud computing differnet than just getting a server?06:34
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carograydoes anyone know where I can find Steve's presentation on HTML expressions I think it was at the WUC 2009 where he gave examples of CASE statements?15:31
carograytemplate expressions15:31
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elninohello everyone!19:47
elninoHi oh quiet one!19:48
elninoI haven't played with thingy much of late since 2008, is there a way to uplaod data to populate a thingy yet? and which version?19:48
@Haarglike a csv import?19:49
elninoyest that would work. The original db is msaccess (blech)19:49
+perlDreamerThing has a www_import method19:51
+perlDreamerso, I'll say "probably"19:51
elninodo you know when that was added?19:51
@Haargit was always there19:51
elninoI dont' recall the import... oh. ok. great.19:52
@Haargi've never used it though and i don't know where it is in the interface19:52
elninoI'll play around with it some before I make promises to the customer.19:53
+perlDreamerHaarg, in the wg8 migration notes it says that fieldType cannot be a subref.  Several assets have variable karma fields, depending on whether or not karma is enabled for a site.19:53
elninoId didn't remember the import in the interface either.19:53
+perlDreamerIs there a different/recommended way for not showing a field?19:53
+perlDreamer...what is it?19:55
@Haargmaybe there isn't.  i know it's something i discussed with jt when we were first doing wg8 definition stuff.19:56
+perlDreamerMaybe it's in the FormBuilder stuff19:56
+perlDreamerI'll ask Doug via email19:56
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@HaargperlDreamer, looks like we were going with 'visible' => 020:04
+perlDreamerwhat branch is that?20:05
@Haargstatic_definition pre-merge20:05
+perlDreamerI'll add that back in20:06
+perlDreamerwell, migration.txt says to use noFormPost instead of visible20:06
+perlDreamermaybe there's a later, pre-merge version that removes that.20:07
mducharmehrm.. anybody in here read japanese?20:09
mducharmeby any chance? lol20:09
+perlDreamerGoogle does20:09
mducharmethe problem is I want to buy something online from japan, I don't think google would be able to translate https pages20:12
+perlDreamergood point20:13
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+perlDreamerHey, preaction!20:37
+perlDreamerHacking and happy20:38
+perlDreamer'tis a good day so far20:38
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CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r5047410 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Subscription.pm : Remove definition sub. - http://bit.ly/9UBd5h21:03
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r97c233d / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/ThingyRecord.pm : Update ThingyRecord for Moose. - http://bit.ly/9rgEhb21:03
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CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r2e27ab9 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/ThingyRecord.pm : Remove definition sub. - http://bit.ly/cW64cl21:15
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rb48587c / (asset_status.ods lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/EMSBadge.pm): Update EMSBadge for Moose. Still needs a customDrawMethod replacement. - http://bit.ly/aKzsB321:15
+perlDreamerpreaction: I added a MapPoint icon this morning.21:15
+perlDreamerit's nothing fancy21:15
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r6c26c2e / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/EMSRibbon.pm : Update EMSRibbon for Moose. - http://bit.ly/bzD8pn21:19
@preactionperlDreamer: better question re shipping-optional: why do paydrivers get their own address information?21:37
@preactionooh, best question: Wtf is that stupid address book thing?21:37
+perlDreamerbecause sometimes people pay for things that go to another address21:38
+perlDreamerre AddressBook: yup.21:38
@preactionright, but why does every paydriver get the opportunity to grab an address in a different way?21:38
+perlDreamerit reduces 1 screen21:38
@preactionyou don't fill in the bill address until you're in the paydriver21:38
+perlDreamerif you intend to use the same pay address as ship address, then it's already filled out, and you don't need another screen that captures VISA number, etc.21:39
@preactionif they really want to shorten the checkout process, i've got a wonderful, two-screen solution21:39
@preactiontwo steps, that's it21:39
@preactionyou open the cart and if you don't have an address, it shows the form to put one (putting the "save address as..." field right inline. it also shows the option for a separate billing address right there, and then there's a series of buttons for each payment method21:40
@preactionthe second step is the paydriver's necessary information21:40
@preactionthen you're done21:40
* preaction is Marty Chang21:41
+perlDreamerI have to enter in an address to see my cart?21:41
@preactionno... it's below the cart21:41
+perlDreameroh, that's nice21:42
+perlDreamerwho is Marty Chang?21:42
@preactiona short web series, his dad's asian21:43
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r4723f2d / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/EMSTicket.pm : Update EMSTicket for Moose. Needs custom draw method work. - http://bit.ly/cUYxQz21:45
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rd1a7619 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/EMSTicket.pm : Update EMSTicket for Moose. Needs customDrawMethod work. - http://bit.ly/9F7Otn21:45
+perlDreamer12 more assets to go21:45
+perlDreamerfor bulk conversion, at least21:45
+perlDreamerthen comes Roles and Keywords, and some customDrawMethods21:46
+perlDreamerI think Poll may need a complete overhaul21:46
@preactionoh most likely21:46
@preactionwhy do we have isShippingRequired on Sku if we can't disable shipping information?21:46
+perlDreamerThat's on a per-sku basis21:48
+perlDreamerif isShippingRequired is set to 0, it doesn't get added to the shipping drivers for weight and cost calculations21:48
@preactionright, but if all products do not require shipping, why do we require a shipping address?21:49
+perlDreamerfor calculating taxes :D21:49
@preactionbut taxes are calculated with the billing address21:49
@tavistoshorten the checkout you say? I say... HOORAY21:49
@preactionthey MUST be calculated with the billing address, it's the rules21:49
@preactiontavisto: Paul would have done it, but it seems someone else might get to it first21:50
@preactionif I can convince them to go all the way, instead of just what they want (remove shipping)21:50
@preaction... great, it uses the shipping address to calculate taxes21:51
@preactionso now i get to go look up interstate commerce law and find out who is responsible for the taxes21:51
+perlDreamerit's supposed to be based on billing address21:52
+perlDreamerif I buy something from Wisconsin, and have it sent to Wisconsin, there should be no sales tax21:52
+perlDreameronly because "i" in this case is in Oregon21:52
@preactionright, because you are in oregon. you would have to pay oregon sales tax when filling out your next oregon state tax form21:52
@preactionthere's a little field for it, that everyone just puts 0 for21:53
@preactionooh, good article on the subject: http://www.netchoice.org/library/the-collection-of-out-of-state-sales-taxes-myth-vs-reality.html21:55
* perlDreamer will read it later this afternoon21:57
+perlDreamerbut for now, time to punish the streets of Hillsboro21:58
@preactionyou show that concrete who's on top!21:58
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juani have an error when i tried to edit a profile field22:05
juanthe error is the next22:05
@preactionwhat is WebGUI::Form::interval123? a custom form plugin?22:07
juanplease wait, i am going to check22:08
juani have moved interval123 to another location in the server and the error desappear22:13
juani am going to check that custom plugin22:14
juanif i want to include another language in my site, i have downloaded the respective language and i have put it in the i18 folder like the default language22:16
juanis there another thing to do besides of it?22:16
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juanbecause spanish is 99% translated, and i put in my language selection, visitor has spanish as a default language, but one calendar that i have in the site has some word in english22:20
juanan the words are translated in spanish22:21
juanthe part related with event details, where is located? in which of the files? I want to verify if it is translated.22:25
@preactionit's in Asset_Event probably22:26
juanyes in that file the phrases are translated22:30
juanbut i continue seeing them in english22:31
juanany  ideas about it?22:41
@Haargwhat version of webgui are you using?  you might want to check the template to see how it is displaying the labels.22:42
juanthe version is 7.6.1522:46
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+perlDreamerI did a ton of translation work for Event in 7.723:28
+perlDreamerin the future, I'd like to be able to reject new assets without i18n in them23:29
@preactionwe do that now23:29
@preactionjust didn't do that in 7.323:29
+perlDreamerpreaction: I thought all form properties were automatically autogenerate => 1, and we weren't allowed to do anything other than noFormPost?23:35
@preactionwhat are we talking about? new or old23:35
@preactionfor new, there will be a getEditForm method in WebGUI::Asset that will take $self->meta->get_all_properties and build a WebGUI::FormBuilder object23:36
+perlDreamerand how do I tell getEditForm that I have a property, like karma, that does not need to be displayed?  noFormPost => sub { return ! shift->session->setting->get('useKarma');23:37
@preactionthat would be part of WebGUI::Definition23:38
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CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r1473013 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataTable.pm : Update DataTable for Moose. - http://bit.ly/btnvq723:47
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CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * reb826c7 / asset_status.ods : Checkin of status spreadsheet. - http://bit.ly/adromw23:50
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rdc2d086 / (8 files in 3 dirs): Fix a whole bunch of aspect comma/semicolon changes. - http://bit.ly/aOV0Hp23:52
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+perlDreamerpreaction: that makes sense.  I had to think on it for a while00:05
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+perlDreamerpretty soon we're going to need an upgrade of wgd to WebGUI 800:48
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r44f0350 / (2 files): Updating Gallery for Moose. - http://bit.ly/96FgVI00:56
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r9c7bbc8 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/WikiPage.pm : Remove override of update and use Moose method modifiers instead. - http://bit.ly/9OofNb01:11
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r4edd07c / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum.pm : Update GalleryAlbum for Moose. - http://bit.ly/amW5v001:11
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r02a257e / lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/GalleryFile.pm : Update GalleryFile for Moose. - http://bit.ly/asaAXb01:18
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rba56fe4 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo.pm : Update Photo for Moose. - http://bit.ly/cmGWui01:28
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r27e30c7 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum.pm : Note that per album allowing of comments is doable, but not exposed to the UI yet. - http://bit.ly/bVic6x01:30
+perlDreamerwell, 4 hours ago I had 12 assets to go01:31
+perlDreamerI found 4 more, but we're down to about 901:32
+perlDreamerWebGUI ships with about 65 assets, including the base classes for Wobject and Sku01:32
+perlDreamerthen we have to make them editable01:33
+perlDreameryeah, like able to call func=edit01:33
+perlDreamerthis batch of work just gets you assets from an API standpoint01:33
@preactionthat requires merging fb and static_definition01:33
+perlDreamerthat would help a ton01:34
+perlDreamerPlus, I think I want to write a Trait or Role that makes isHidden=1 all the time01:36
+perlDreamerIt's probably a role01:37
+perlDreamerand I'm still stuck on the how to write a base for all Asset Roles to inherit from, that provides the same property/aspect sugar that Assets use.01:40
+perlDreamermaybe I should spend some time in #moose01:40
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r0a2f5e0 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Story.pm : Update Story for Moose. - http://bit.ly/aXYnr501:42
elninoperlDreamer, I don't know. not a clue.01:45
elninoI'm leaving. bb ltr01:45
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rb7f79a5 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.pm : Update StoryArchive for Moose. - http://bit.ly/dgp4ZY01:46
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CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rfe6ec3f / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/StoryTopic.pm : Update StoryTopic for Moose. Needs Rss Role. - http://bit.ly/aWFiJJ01:51
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r72d0361 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm : Update Post for Moose. - http://bit.ly/9oHdX202:18
+perlDreamerone more for today, then I get to write a Role02:18
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mducharmewoo.. finished my pitch class set analysis03:26
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+perlDreamerbummer, missed bartjol this morning17:35
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r549a6db / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post/Thread.pm : Update Thread for Moose. - http://bit.ly/drQyEu17:41
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r1d777d4 / asset_status.ods : Update status spreadsheet. - http://bit.ly/9lJDYU17:44
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+perlDreamerthis could be my favorite newspaper article, ever: http://www.oregonlive.com/foodday/index.ssf/2010/02/divine_drippings.html18:18
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r498b961 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix a template variable typo. Fixes bug #11411. - http://bit.ly/cUztbw18:22
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r7db6470 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix a template variable typo. Fixes bug #11411. - http://bit.ly/cZPFcS18:22
@preactionbut it's still bacon grease18:22
@preactioni mean, i've got plenty of beef tallow sitting on my counter right now, but i'll end up throwing it away next garbage day18:23
+perlDreamermmmm bacon grease18:23
+perlDreamerchicken drippings18:23
+perlDreamerbeef tallow18:23
+perlDreamerand lard18:23
+perlDreamerbutter is good, too18:23
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+perlDreamermorning, Haarg18:32
+perlDreamerany thoughts on where to put asset roles?18:35
+perlDreamerfor lack of anything better, I was thinking AssetRoles18:36
@Haargseems fine to me18:36
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rabaeab3 / (8 files in 5 dirs): Refactor code to force assets to always be hidden into a role and use it. - http://bit.ly/9Kmmyz18:50
+perlDreamerroles are awesome18:50
+perlDreamer10 lines of code per module replaced by with 'WebGUI::AssetRole::AlwaysHidden';18:50
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CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r90facc4 / (4 files in 3 dirs): Refactor code for updating storage location file permissions into a Role. - http://bit.ly/aYB6B018:56
+perlDreamergym time19:07
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@frodwithI just wrote some roles for $client, and had stuck them in WebGUI::Asset::Role::$_19:47
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doc777Hello friends. I have a dilemma.  We have an older webgui server (07.05.23) and have built a new one (07.07.32).  I need to get the sites off the old, onto the new... 20:16
doc777When I try to upgrade the old to 07.07.32 by running upgrade.pl it comes back with NO UPGRADES NECESSARY.  Which I find hard to believe as the old db has 161 tables and the new 173. 20:17
@preactionyou cannot upgrade from 7.5 to 7.7 directly. you must upgrade to 7.6 first20:44
doc777So I need to download 7.6, install, upgrade and then move onto 7.7 correct?20:46
@Haargyou need to first upgrade to 7.5.40, then the last 7.6, then you can upgrade to 7.7.x20:46
doc777Is that 3 separate downloads?  ( This is a source install on gentoo btw )20:47
+perlDreameryup, 320:47
@Haargwell, you already have the 7.7 version20:48
doc777Ok thanks, I don't mind downloading. I just did not know if there were files contained IN the 7.7 for backdating.  :o)20:48
doc777It appears not, so I need to download the other two.20:49
+perlDreamerfrodwith, I thought about that kind of class hierarchy, but the Roles I'm writing aren't subclasses of Asset.pm, so I though parallel would be better.20:53
@frodwithperlDreamer: how about WebGUI::Role::Asset::$_ then?20:54
+perlDreamerthat's not bad20:54
+perlDreamerand it makes a home for all future roles that we might share across classes, like JSON in the db handling20:55
@preactioni agree with WebGUI::Role::Asset20:55
+perlDreameryou know, the more involved y'all get now, the less of my horrible programming you'll have to clean up later20:56
* frodwith keeps trying to remember to lurk on IRC. Maybe it will work this time.20:57
+perlDreamerdoes your IRC client when you're pinged, frodwith?20:57
@frodwithI think you're missing a verb in there20:58
@frodwithah, yes.  I get growls.20:58
@frodwithI just don't always have the thing on20:58
@frodwiththe irc client, I mean20:58
+perlDreamerthat's odd, for as often as you're in the room21:00
@frodwithI have irssi sitting on a server in Milwaukee somewhere that I proxy through21:00
@frodwithit's always connected, I'm just not always connected to it21:00
+perlDreamerI see21:01
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r7caa3e3 / (12 files in 5 dirs): Move AssetRole to Role::Asset, and update all client modules. - http://bit.ly/bKcsaJ21:01
@frodwiththe -idea- is, I can go read the backlog on there after I've been off for a while and see if someone's trying to ping me21:01
@frodwithand that works pretty well when I remember to do it21:01
doc777Welp, when upgrading from 7.5.33 - 7.5.34 it fails with: .mysqldump: Couldn't execute 'show fields from `Calendar`': Incorrect key file for table '/tmp/#sql_68ab_0.MYI'21:07
doc777All the upgrades from 7.5.23 till there seemed to go fine.21:08
+perlDreamerthat sounds like there's a problem with your db.  I'd restore from the pre-upgrade backup, and run myisamchk on the WebGUI databases.21:10
+perlDreamerbe sure you restore EVERYTHING, the codebase, the config files, the upgrades area AND the db21:11
doc777Ok, will do. Thanks for all the help everyone :o)  21:11
carogray1perldreamer: just responding to your post on support board about different tabs for different mail forms...ok to ask here or do I have to use the suppport board - trying to clarify your tabs  explanation.21:29
+perlDreamerbetter to ask on the boards, so if someone else has to pick up the thread all the info is in 1 place21:29
carogray1k - just about to .. would you please answer me there, cause I think I may have a few questions?21:30
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r7c86686 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm : Update Collaboration for Moose. - http://bit.ly/9mMPYu21:36
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r6287ebd / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration/Newsletter.pm : Update Newsletter for Moose. - http://bit.ly/bmmOAx21:48
doc777Well, I completely restored the webgui folder, the mysql databases and even the domains folder.  Checked and repaired the db (3 times for good measure) and then started the upgrade. It got to the same spot and hung again with: mysqldump: Couldn't execute 'show fields from `Calendar`': Incorrect key file for table '/tmp/#sql_2be9_0.MYI';21:48
+perlDreamerwhich version of mysql are you using, doc777?  and are you using the WRE?21:50
doc777Not using the wre on the old but am on the new server... Most of the reason we are trying to migrate.  The old server is a gentoo source, mysql  Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.54, for pc-linux-gnu (i686) using readline 5.221:51
+perlDreamerrunning the upgrade on the new, or the old?21:52
doc777Trying to upgrade the old server so we could export into the new...21:52
+perlDreamerhm, googling for that shows this: http://www.electrictoolbox.com/mysql-incorrect-key-file-for-table-error/21:53
doc777Is there a better method?21:53
+perlDreamerbut you said you repaired the database...21:53
doc777Yea, I repaired and it checks out ok after.21:53
+perlDreamerhow's the diskspace on all the partitions?21:54
+perlDreamerbtw, all I'm doing is looking at google results for the error message you posted21:55
doc777Yea, I been googling myself a bit. It may be a mysql bug but not sure. Plenty of free space.21:56
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * re5d4715 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Carousel.pm : Update Carousel for Moose. - http://bit.ly/awlQEW21:58
+perlDreamerphew, lunch time21:59
+perlDreamerI don't have to do the Dashboard yet21:59
doc777Raha! Turns out that I had made /tmp small and non executable on a separate partition ( 2 years ago). So it was running out of space after doing the backup. Even though there are a few hundred gigs free on the drive there is not in the tmp folder.  Thanks for the help everyone!22:08
carogray1with PerlDreamer off to lunch - anyone want to check out my attempt to use Case Statement in Template Toolkit - one template for different mail forms? on https://www.plainblack.com/plain_black_support/12170 ? I was supposed to have this figured out last Friday, but the week before was a big week for lots of things ...including 2 piglets who ended up spending nights with me and needing feeding every 90 minutes...I now have them up t22:19
@preactioncarogray1: only plain black support staff can read the plain black support boards22:23
carogray1oh bother.22:43
carogray1I could post it here and pastebin and then repost on support board for people following thread on support board?22:44
carogray1sorry to sound impatient.22:44
doc777I wonder if I can import a 7.6.35 site onto a 7.7.32 server and upgrade from there?22:51
@preactiondoc777: you should be able to, yes22:52
doc777Great, that will be much easier :o)22:53
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doc777When using Webgui from source to upgrade you would run /data/WebGUI/sbin/upgrade.pl...   But when running the wre this command fails because of the perl modules it cannot find. What is the proper upgrade command?  /data/wre/sbin/webguiupdate.pl?00:02
@preactionyou need to be using the WRE's environment, first do "source /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh", then do "cd /data/WebGUI/sbin; perl upgrade.pl"00:06
doc777Aha! Thank you :o)00:07
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+perlDreamerpreaction: once the Code Editor gobbles the newlines in 7.7.32, they're completely gone right?  There's no way to recover them.01:37
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CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rb6048b7 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Dashboard.pm : Update Dashboard for Moose. - http://bit.ly/d5DlA101:51
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * raa17ac4 / asset_status.ods : Update status sheet with last Asset. - http://bit.ly/bstIri01:51
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r9362243 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Poll.pm : More Poll fixes. - http://bit.ly/cLes9N01:51
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r1b647c7 / docs/migration.txt : Add docs about the new API. - http://bit.ly/aNSn1I01:51
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rec52088 / (9 files in 3 dirs): Remove getValue from Assets, except for those in getEditForm which will go away later. - http://bit.ly/9Wwkj201:51
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+perlDreamerI converted the last Asset to Moose today.02:07
+perlDreamerNow we just have to make them editable, viewable and fix any bugs in them...02:07
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5854e95 / lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm : Refix the thumbnail url problem with Storage so that it throws an error when no filename is passed. - http://bit.ly/be4EGe02:08
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r25274c5 / lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm : Refix the thumbnail url problem with Storage so that it throws an error when no filename is passed. - http://bit.ly/ablkF002:08
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@frodwithcan anyone give me the story on the HTTP_SSLPROXY variable? perlDreamer and Haarg logs seem to come up, maybe one of you two02:41
@Haargbasically, webgui needs to know if you are using ssl or not02:42
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@Haargand given that we use mod_proxy, all requests are always coming in http and not https02:42
@Haargso we have mod_proxy adding a header to indicate that it is actually using https02:43
@Haargin the past, it also needed a line in the mod_perl config to turn the header into a ENV variable02:43
@Haargbut i changed it to use the header variable directly so it doesn't need that line02:43
@frodwithHaarg++.  Thanks!02:44
@Haargthere is also the X-Forwarded-SSL (i think) header which is an emerging de facto standard for doing the same thing02:45
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+perlDreamershould we swap to that in wg7.9?02:48
@preactionperlDreamer: maybe? i don't know, probably02:52
+perlDreamerI love your hard-nosed definitiveness02:52
@preactionaren't they replaced with $1?02:52
+perlDreamerno, seems like they're gone02:53
+perlDreamerI get about 1.5 hours of dead time during kids' piano lessons tonight, so i'll fire up IE8 and see what's up02:53
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3b2d849 / lib/WebGUI/Session/Env.pm : Document where HTTP_SSLPROXY comes from, and why. - http://bit.ly/beUdI602:53
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@Haarglooks like the header is X-Forwarded-Proto actually03:01
@Haargand WebGUI already supports it03:01
@Haargbut the wre still uses SSLPROXY for back compat03:02
@preactionwell, in theory mod_proxy would do X-Forwarded-Proto automatically, but it doesn't03:02
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+perlDreamer....installing IE8....04:13
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+perlDreamerpreaction: I can duplicate the bug in master (7.8.12.tonight)04:21
+perlDreamerany chance you can look at it before 8:30pm my time?04:22
+perlDreameropera works fine04:25
@preactionsorry, am in MadMongers meeting04:28
@preactionbut i think i know the cause, give me one sec to make a patch04:28
+perlDreameryou patch, I'll test04:29
+perlDreamereither that, or throw me a line and I'll patch it on my end04:29
+perlDreamerline = some kind of clue to fix it04:29
CIA-60webgui: Doug Bell fb * r4d14973 / (3 files in 3 dirs): perltidy - http://bit.ly/btCGCP04:29
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+perlDreamerdang it, now it's working fine!04:31
+perlDreamerwhat's up with that04:31
@preaction... good, because i can't fix it easily :(04:32
+perlDreamermaybe it's timing related04:33
+perlDreamersince I added an alert to show some code, and it started working04:34
@preactiondid you remove the alert and it stopped working?04:35
@preactionthere are Lang.later( XX, function...) calls, try increasing the numbers?04:36
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+perlDreamerI can't do it repeatedly04:50
+perlDreamerit's possible that I didn't clear out enough history in IE04:50
@preactionthat's still weird though04:51
@preactionbut i hate browser cache04:51
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+perlDreamerlet's blame it on tavisto04:53
@preactiontavisto's fault... why does he do this to me?04:53
+perlDreameryou'd think he'd be grateful for all the TGC work we do for him04:55
@preactionas though, he's never grateful for anything04:56
+perlDreamerI found another game store to promote TGC to04:56
+perlDreamerthat'll be next Tuesday04:56
@tavistoI didnt do anything I swear04:57
+perlDreameroh ya sure04:57
@tavistowell aside from pushing that big red button04:58
@preactionyou never do anything!04:58
@tavistobut that couldn't have hurt anything04:58
@tavisto*sniff sniff* you guys are mean04:58
+perlDreameryou haven't seen anything yet, we're just getting warmed up04:58
+perlDreamerfixing IE bugs makes us grumpy04:58
+perlDreamerit's Pre Microsoft Syndome04:59
@tavistowell now you've motivated me...04:59
@preactionand Post Microsoft Syndrome04:59
@tavistoto kill a pb dev04:59
@preaction.... JT?04:59
+perlDreamergood thing I'm just a contractor04:59
+perlDreameryou can't shoot Haarg, he's on the injured list05:00
@tavistoI'm gonna have to kill the guy with the Kitchenaid sissy mixer05:00
@tavisto*looks at Preaction*05:00
@preactionsissy? it's a MAN TOOL05:01
@preactioni bet i could hide a few bodies with that thing05:01
+perlDreameror at least whip them into shape05:03
@tavistodefine shape05:03
@tavistoand I just called minority report on you guys... 05:03
@preactionbut i'm the silent majority!05:04
@tavistofor thinking about committing a crime05:04
+perlDreamertavisto, there are forum postings waiting for you on TGC05:05
+perlDreamersomething about a custom 20 board order for 16x16 folding boards05:05
@tavistoim sorry, tavisto is not here right now...05:06
+perlDreamercan you send me extra swag for a gaming convention in Portland?05:07
@tavistothis is computron, his automated answering service05:07
+perlDreamerposters, t-shirts, beer coasters, stickers, the whole works05:07
@tavistono, maybe, no, yes, and flyers05:07
+perlDreamerhow about those cute little temporary tattoos?05:08
@tavistoyou're fired.05:09
+perlDreameryou're just jealous that you didn't think of the tattoos first05:10
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CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0e01b23 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.8.12 release. - http://bit.ly/ckA83f06:52
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CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r725c40f / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.8.13 development cycle. - http://bit.ly/9J21Jh07:35
+perlDreameryay, 7.8.13 is out07:36
@preactionyou mean 7.8.12?07:37
+perlDreamerno, I went into the future and pulled the bugfix for the code editor back07:37
+perlDreamerso technically is is 7.8.1307:37
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+perlDreamerbut you don't have to fix it anymore07:37
+perlDreamerbecause you will07:37
+perlDreamerI mean have07:37
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@preactionjolly good of future me to do then07:38
+perlDreamerYou're a mensch07:38
+perlDreamerall of the Assets have been Moose'd in wg807:39
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CIA-60WebGUI: translation * r12438 /translations/German/German/Asset_Photo.pm: Updating German on translation server10:54
CIA-60WebGUI: translation * r12439 /translations/German/German/Asset_Photo.pm: Updating German on translation server11:11
CIA-60WebGUI: translation * r12440 /translations/German/German/AuthLDAP.pm: Updating German on translation server11:11
CIA-60WebGUI: translation * r12441 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (Asset_Photo.pm AuthLDAP.pm): Updating Dutch on translation server11:11
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CIA-60WebGUI: translation * r12443 /translations/German/German/AdSpace.pm: Updating German on translation server12:13
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SDuensinHi bartjol16:40
+bartjolmanual sql changes after upgrades is not among my favorite things16:41
SDuensinOh hell no.  That sucks!16:42
+bartjolI know16:43
+bartjolbut I'm done know16:44
SDuensinAny time that upgrade script fails, I get a horrible sense of dread.16:46
+bartjolwell, it was on something custom16:52
SDuensinYou ever hear of "eBox"?16:54
SDuensinWeb-based network management thing.  I keep toying with the idea of using it to run my empire.  Looks like it'd be pretty easy to add WebGUI support to it.16:57
+bartjolas long as they have a stable api16:58
SDuensinThey do.  And it's in Perl!16:59
SynQan empire based on perl?17:04
SynQI know that your powers of retention...17:05
SDuensinMy power isn't so much in Perl, but it seems all my software is.17:05
SDuensinI dunno.  I should just write my own so I get exactly what I want.17:07
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+perlDreamergotta run kids to school, bbiab17:44
SDuensinThat was fast.17:55
+bartjolah, perlDreamer is Overtoom17:58
+bartjolyeah, a transport company that adeverted with their speed17:59
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SDuensinUh, Google Buzz is magically finding my WebGUI sites and asking if I want my activity on them added to my Buzz stream.  Freaky.18:38
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+MrHairgreaseI found a solution to my Moose problem18:39
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SDuensinStatements like that make me laugh.  :-)18:42
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doc777Hello friends. We have been trying to upgrade from a 7.5.23 source server to a new 7.7.32 wre server.  Its been fun :o)     We copied the "domain" folder over, the db over, incrementally upgraded it successfully.  But the site looks smashed.18:58
SDuensinErase your caches?18:59
doc777Hrrm... great idea. Let me try that :o)18:59
* SDuensin always forgets that!19:00
+bartjolhaven't there also been some template changes?19:07
@preactionmost likely, yes19:08
doc777Clearing the cache brought all the images back. Thank you.  We knew there would be some things broken but was not expecting what we first saw  :o)19:08
+bartjolwell, one mistery solved19:10
+bartjolit is better than from 5.519:10
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ckotilfound a bug with searching in 7.6.35 when using quotes around parenthesis http://www.pastebin.org/9367819:32
ckotilanother similiar bug seems to be when searching for a string that is surounded by parenthesis. it returns nothing19:32
ckotilill try to replicate it in the demo before filing a bug report19:33
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KlausHHi, anyone remebers the old event calendar, version 7.2.2? I'm lookin for the internationalized template variable start.month . There I have an encoding error and cannot locate the corresponding file with the translation to correct the error.19:45
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ckotilanything think it makes sense for asset keywords to be searched before asset descriptions? i set an assets keyword to monkey, then have two assets with monkey in the description. the asset w/ keyword set to monkey came up last.21:45
ckotili think it makes sense to use keywords to promote search results, so they should be searched first so as to improve the order they are returned21:46
@preactionckotil: we use mysql's fulltext search to find results, we don't have a lot of control over how the relevance level is calculated, but it would be a good RFE21:51
@preactionwe do want to replace search with something else, but that's a bigger RFE21:52
ckotili was hoping keywords were searched separatly then descriptions21:59
@preactionnope, keywords are appended to the rest of the index22:07
ckotilthanks for clarifying22:09
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+perlDreamerHaarg, have you committed the changes that you mentioned two days ago?00:52
+perlDreamerthe ones that might simplify the Roles?00:52
@Haarghaven't gotten it working00:52
+perlDreamergood, that explains why I don't see them :)00:52
@Haargone change that could be done right away is moving the property code into meta->add_property00:53
@Haargand if you think it is a good way to do it, remove Moose from the with clause on the build_import_methods call00:54
@Haargwhich means it would have to be manually imported into all of the classes, but you would also be able to use it in a Moose::Role class00:54
@Haarghaven't tested that though00:54
+perlDreamerwouldn't the first get rid of the sugar?00:54
@Haargno, i mean move the internals00:55
@Haargand have property call ->add_property00:55
+perlDreamerthat would help00:59
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+perlDreamerI think I'm going to have to build a Role base class, that is inherited by all Asset Roles, which parallels WebGUI::Definition00:59
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+perlDreamerHaarg, if we make property and define into Roles, we can apply them to Definition.pm, and to whatever Role base class I build01:29
+perlDreamerI think...01:29
+perlDreamerin fact, if everything was a role, we may be able to mix and match all the pieces together01:30
@Haargi'm not sure about WebGUI::Definition working as a role01:30
@Haargbecause it isn't really being included in the class it is used in, it is just a utility01:31
@Haargi'm attempting to make the rest of it into roles01:31
+perlDreamerah yeah, providing the property and define methods and the rest01:33
+perlDreamerthis is a very different way of thinking about building classes01:34
+perlDreamerI think we're stuck duplicating the code01:53
+perlDreamerMoose::Role reimplements a bunch of Moose in order to work01:53
@frodwithit reimplements a bunch of the sugar, because it has different semantics in roles01:54
+perlDreamerright, and that's exactly what we want, only we want WebGUI::Definition sugar into a "base class" that all WebGUI roles could use01:54
@frodwithoh, I don't know what's in WG::D I guess01:55
+perlDreamerit provides two methods, property and define01:55
@frodwiththat's the property sugar?01:55
+perlDreamerand Asset Roles want the same thing01:55
+perlDreamerbecause sometimes they have their own tables on the side that stores data01:56
+perlDreamerlike RssFeed, Comment, Subscribable, etc01:56
@preactionDid You Know? We could use nginx to completely replace apache, it has perl support!01:56
+perlDreamerpreaction: that'd never work.  You can't even pronounce nginx01:56
@frodwithyou can tell how cool people are by if they try to say "nuhginks"01:57
@frodwithif they say it properly, it means they've been drinking from the web 2.0 firehose01:57
@preactionooh! a firehose!01:58
@preactionasync http > *01:58
+perlDreamerwhat if they're Vietnamese, and can say ng as a real phoneme?02:00
@frodwithThen we're really in trouble.02:00
@frodwithso, more seriously02:00
@frodwithproperty breaks if you try to do it in a role?02:01
+perlDreamerI can't do "use Moose::Roles; use WebGUI::Definition::Asset;" at the same time02:02
+perlDreamerMoose barfs: WebGUI::Role::Asset::RssFeed already has a metaclass, but it does not inherit WebGUI::Definition::Meta::Asset02:03
@frodwithso you need a WebGUI::Definition::Role that does the sugar-magic for roles like Definition::Asset does for classes02:04
+perlDreamerright, and it would be best if the code wasn't just copy/paste of WG::D and wG::D::A02:06
+perlDreamersince we'd need both wG::D::Role, and wG::D::Role::Asset02:06
+perlDreamerso that non-Assets could have roles that work similarly02:07
+perlDreamerlike the JSONCollateral thing02:07
@frodwithI'm looking at this from down a tunnel of unfamiliarity, obviously, but it looks like you could do a role metaclass just like this asset metaclass that calls WG::D's magic.  It looks like WG::D::A is a pretty thin wrapper.02:07
@frodwithbut I probably just don't understand what we're talking about. So I'm going to go take a walk in the unexpectedly beautiful weather. :)02:08
+perlDreamerthat's okay.  I understand what I want, but not how to get it02:08
+perlDreamerso we're well matched02:09
+perlDreamerI think it's time for a walk in #moose02:09
+perlDreameror a blog posting...02:09
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+bartjolmorning, but you know it's almost beer o'clock16:57
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SDuensinHave a beer for me.  I really could use one already!16:58
+MrHairgreaseme too!16:59
+bartjoloh, sorry17:00
+bartjol10 minutes17:00
SDuensinEither of you fine gents ever see anyone use WebGUI with one of those funk-o-matic hosting control panels?17:00
+MrHairgreaseI can hold out that long17:00
+MrHairgreaseKonsole is my func-o-matic control panel17:00
SDuensinI meant for end users.  :-P17:00
SDuensinI want to automate my hosting, but I also don't really feel like writing my own tools.17:01
+MrHairgreaseI think plaiblack wrote something like that for themselves17:02
SDuensinI tried gluing Thingy to some custom code, but that never worked right.17:02
+MrHairgreasemaybe if you ask very friendly17:02
SDuensinYea, they did.  It's in GIT somewhere.17:02
SDuensinMy problem with using something like that is...  I'm going to have to cave in and do generic LAMP hosting.  Too many people want PHP crap.17:03
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+bartjoloh sorry martin, it appears we're still on the coffee17:34
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+MrHairgreasetim e to quit that bad bad habit17:35
+MrHairgreaseand get me a beer17:35
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+MrHairgreaseand yourself as well of course17:35
SDuensinBeer flavored coffee?  Hmmm...  :-)17:36
+bartjolnou, vooruit17:36
+MrHairgreasebeer flavoured beer17:36
* SDuensin bought more beer flavo(u)red beer last night.17:37
+MrHairgreasethe proof of the beer is in the drinking17:38
+MrHairgreasenot the buying17:38
SDuensinYea.  Working up to that.17:38
+bartjolbuying beer and not drinking it is desecration17:40
+MrHairgreasehear hear17:40
SDuensinWell it has to get cold first!  We American's aren't savages likes some of you folks!17:40
+bartjolwe only make beer that keeps itself cold17:41
SDuensinWe only make colo(u)red water we call "beer".17:42
+MrHairgreaseoh yeah17:42
+MrHairgreasewhat's the link between Bud and having sex in a canoe?17:43
SDuensinOk, Mr. Python.17:43
SDuensinIt's Frackin close to water!17:43
+bartjolwhat's that music?17:53
SDuensinWe have some Dixieland on here.17:53
+bartjolmmm, that's not what I'm hearing from Martin's office17:53
+MrHairgreaseCambodian Rocks17:54
+MrHairgreaseCambodian RnR and Psych from 60's Cambodia17:54
+MrHairgreaseWeird thing is, everybody playing those songs were killed by the Pol Pot regime... =(17:55
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+bartjolah, I am a very fast mailer, I can answer before the question is asked18:13
+MrHairgreaseyou should set your computer's time correctly18:14
+bartjolmmm, i've heard some theories about time being relative, so my time is as good as yours18:16
+MrHairgreasethat misght be, but mine is way prettier!18:16
SDuensin"Time is an illusion.  'Luchtime', doubly so."18:18
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@preactioncap10morgan: did you guys happen to try nginx for use as a proxy/load balancer?21:19
+cap10morgani have never used nginx21:19
@preactiondarn. it seems Perfect21:19
+cap10morgani've never had apache come up as the bottleneck in our system21:19
+cap10morganplenty of other things have crapped out before it :)21:19
@preactiontrue, but you've got two proxy nodes, i'm thinking nginx can do the same with one21:20
+cap10morganbut yeah, it does seem tailor-made for the job :)21:20
@preactionand still serve the static files21:20
+cap10morganwe only have two for redundancy21:20
+cap10morganin case one instance crashes21:20
@preactionahh, of course21:20
@preactionbut then what's in front of it to balance between the two?21:20
+cap10morganit's just dns round-robin, so not perfectly redundant21:21
+cap10morganbut some requests still get through21:21
+cap10morganwhile i spin up a new instance21:21
+cap10morganif amazon would freaking allow multiple IPs per instance, i'd just have the other elastic IP migrate over instantly21:21
+cap10morganbut they don't...21:21
SDuensinReally?  One IP per instance?21:22
@preactiondon't they have some sort of heartbeat / redundancy system built-in?21:22
* SDuensin never noticed that.21:22
+cap10morganthey have their new load balancing thing you can use, yeah21:22
+cap10morganbut i haven't tried it21:22
+cap10morganand heard some reports that it was kinda crappy, but maybe they worked that out by now21:22
+cap10morganSDuensin: yeah, it's one of my biggest pet peeves w/ ec221:23
SDuensinHmm.  Glad I didn't migrate and find that out after-the-fact!21:23
@preactionwait, that means only one SSL vhost per box21:25
+cap10morganyes it does21:25
+cap10morganbut a UCC cert solves that problem marvelously21:25
@preaction... uh... that means... that means a lot of instances21:25
+cap10morgani've yet to find something that doesn't recognize it21:25
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SDuensinWell, first tip is to stay more than a whole minute.03:49
SDuensinI mean, I've been here since 5.x and I *STILL* need help!03:51
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elninowhew.. where do I begin?05:07
elninoI'm working with another server, ad the admin won't allow me on to do the webgui stuff. so I'm standing by watching all this.05:08
elninohe upgraded from 7.6.someting or other to 7.7.3205:08
elninoand there are two sites sharing the one database05:08
elninoand after the upgrade a bunch of uncommitted versiontags showed up from 2006.05:09
elninothey are from the other domain, not the one I"m currently logged on.05:09
elninois that a problem?05:09
elninohe doesn't believe in spectre either. I think he wants to keep it disabled.05:10
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@preactionelnino: uh... WebGUI does not work if spectre is disabled completely...09:13
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elninopreaction, yep I know, I'm not quite sure what he's doing. webgui "seemed to be working" version tags were approved automatically, so he couldn't have disabled it completely. It was installed by source too, I tried to convince him to install wre, but won't hear of it. oh well. not my decision to host with him.21:34
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SDuensinSounds like fun, elnino.  Does he believe in Apache?  Maybe he should turn that off.  :-)22:35
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@preactionelnino: it was possible to disable it completed, most version tags get committed in realtime. but cronjobs will not get run, ever23:01
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elninoon the statisitc pages, it says there are 479 groups.  I'm assuming that that number includes groups created from CS wobjects?05:12
@preactionit's just a SELECT COUNT(*) FROM groups;05:12
elninook. whew.05:12
elninoquiet night.05:14
elninoin the gotcha for 7.7.32, it says that wg requires "javascript packer" .40, but javascript::packer is only .04  is that the correct module?05:54
elninosorry, 7.7.3105:54
elninoI think this was me.  http://www.webgui.org/bazaar/mp3-popup-player05:57
elninoACK!  After an upgrade to 7.7.32, a bunch of $1 shows up in my templates.. whats that about? And I cant delete them in the editor, they keep appearing. They are at all the empty lines. And I have "packed" templates enabled.06:15
elninocorrection. After an upgrade, AND after I modify a template, TEHN the $1 show up at all blank lines. The upgrade didn't cause it.06:18
* elnino looks at bug reports.06:18
@preactionyeah, that's a known bug06:19
elninoyep JUST found it.06:19
@preactionshould have a fix there too, i hope06:19
elninoyep, JUST read it. =)06:20
@preactionif it doesn't work, let me know06:20
elninowell,  this is on the server I have no control on. =(06:20
elninoso I will email him.06:20
* elnino wonders if the editor now works in ie.06:20
@preactionit should06:20
elninoI hope.06:20
@preactionbut still has that $1 prob iirc06:20
elninooh ok.06:21
elninooh... why is it putting it all in one line now??? I copied an unpacked version and unselectd pack. It shouldn't have packed. =(06:24
@preactionpart of the same bug iirc06:24
@preactioneither that or that's the IE-specific bug i haven't fixed yet06:24
elninono, I"m still in FF.06:24
* elnino lookes in ie06:25
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elninohm. looks like too much fun to have tonight. I have IE6, and it has the weird delete/copy bug still. I'll stick with FF for now.06:28
@preactiondelete/copy bug?06:29
elninoyep, you type a letter or delete and it jumps to the bottom of the editor.06:29
@preactiondid you delete your browser cache?06:30
elninoI tried to copy paste the "unpacked version" and it wiped it out on me. 06:30
elninoI have browser cached disbled, and in this case, I went back a couple versions so it 's a url I never visited in IE before.06:30
elninobut I will try again06:31
@preactioni wasn't aware IE allowed disabling of browser cache, and JS files are not cached per page, they're just cached and never re-fetched for the next page06:31
elninoactually.  This server was on 7.6, so that bug wasn't there before.06:32
elninothis is ie6: general->temp internet files->settings_>every visit to page. doesn't that disable browser cache?06:33
@preactionnot that i know of. browser caches are tricky beasts06:34
elninonever had problems with it before. oh well. still trying it's dog slow.06:34
@preactioni mean, i trust that you're seeing it, but that was the one bug i set out to fix in 7.7.3206:35
elninooh.  ok.. I must hav been too fast. I select-all by typing ctrl-a and the edit zeros out. (IE6)06:36
elninothat made no sense. =(06:36
elninowhen I selected the entire text area, THAT's when it emptied the text area. 06:36
elninoI thought it emptied the area when I PASTEd.06:36
elninowhen I rigt-click and click on "select all" it does NOT zero out the text area.06:37
elninobut I can't ctrl-c to copy it. because it zeros out the text area.  =(06:38
* elnino shakes head06:38
elninooh. it did copy.06:39
elninonow, will the $1 appear in IE 6?06:40
elninoand will it be packed again.06:40
* elnino still waiting.06:40
elninogood grief06:40
elninono and no =)06:41
elninothe $1 and packing thing is just a FF bug.06:42
elninowell, the $1 and packign thing is NOT a IE6 bug =)06:42
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ckotilhttp://www.xkcd.com 16:52
+bartjollook out for the sysadmins!16:52
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SDuensinI love xkcd.17:01
ckotilyeah, todays is top notch17:06
SDuensinI sent a few around the office the other day.  Had to go explain them all.  <sigh>17:13
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SDuensinMornin' perlDreamer17:35
+perlDreamerHey, SDuensin17:36
+perlDreamerwhat's shaking?17:36
SDuensinStalking TicketMaster at the moment.17:36
SDuensinT-Minus 22 minutes until Jimmy Buffett tickets!  :-)17:37
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ckotilWhat venue?17:47
SDuensinVerizon Wireless Amphitheater in St. Louis17:49
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CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb4e42eb / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt docs/gotcha.txt): Fix missing gotcha for Javascript::Packer - http://bit.ly/aVsTZW18:01
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0bfba03 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Fix typo in module version number in gotchas. Fixes bug #11418 - http://bit.ly/aN65Wn18:01
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb7ddb78 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt docs/gotcha.txt): Fix typo in module version number in gotchas. Fixes bug #11418 - http://bit.ly/agTYoX18:01
+perlDreamertavisto, we're downgrading your "bug" from "bug" to "user snafu".18:03
@tavistowhich one pD18:04
+perlDreamerthe CMS matrix one18:04
@tavistohow dare you downgrade my stuff18:04
+perlDreamerunfortunately, I'm also responsible for help you with "user snafu"s, so it will be fixed anyway :)18:04
+bartjolat least I file real bug reports :P18:11
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+perlDreamerbartjol, I'm just waiting for you to fix the last Code Editor bug18:12
+bartjoloh, is that assigned to me?18:13
+perlDreamerit could be18:13
+bartjolhaven't got any mail18:13
+bartjolI have a short look, but I need to go and look for a bathroom sink, because I cracked the other one18:13
+bartjoldo you have a link at hand?18:14
+perlDreamerthat's too bad about the sink18:14
+bartjolyeah, I connected the water already18:15
+bartjolI had some stress, as I was alone18:15
+perlDreamerdid it get cracked by dropping it, or tightening the plumbing too much?18:16
+bartjolbut doug says that it is already fixed in 3318:16
+bartjolI think (and hope) that it was because it was old or I smacked it onto the ground to hard18:17
+bartjolOh, it breaks templates in IE18:18
+perlDreamerI thought that Rogier's reply said that even with the new code that it doesn't work correctly in Chrome (which we don't support) and Safari and IE818:18
+perlDreamerbut I'll do some more testing later today just in case18:18
+bartjolyeah, well, maybe that one's out of my league18:18
+bartjolnot to be fixed with sledgehammers, that is18:19
+bartjolgotta go18:19
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@HaargperlDreamer, http://github.com/haarg/webgui/blob/file-locations/lib/WebGUI/Paths.pm18:22
@Haargi'm working on a different mechanism for finding webgui files18:23
@Haarginstead of being based on a root webgui dir, it would have references to the individual pieces of data that webgui needs18:23
@Haargthat module is a rough start18:24
+perlDreamerI like it18:24
+perlDreamerWould it need to use Exception::Class, like the rest of WebGUI?18:24
@Haargthe idea is that a Build.PL or installer script would re-write that file to use absolute paths18:24
@Haargso you would have the option of either using it like we currently do with everything in a single directory18:25
@Haargor you could install it and it would have absolute paths to the places you installed the files18:25
@Haarga few questions: do you think it should use constants for the paths (possibly exportable) or methods?18:26
@Haargdo you think is it good to stick the extra methods for finding webgui files in the module?18:26
@Haargand are there other paths that are used that i'm not thinking of?18:27
+perlDreamertest collateral18:27
@Haargthat's not installed data though18:27
@Haargoh, the other part is that that module would need to be in your @INC somehow18:28
@Haargeither by installing it in the perl paths or including it with PERL5LIB18:28
+perlDreameryes, that's why I'm thinking that even though test collateral isn't necessarily installed, it would be good if this module handled it18:28
+perlDreamerit would make writing tests easier18:28
+perlDreameryou see where I'm going?18:29
+perlDreamermaybe I'm hijacking the module's real purpose though18:29
@Haargthe whole FindBin thing is rather nasty, but i don't know if there is a better option18:29
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@Haargthe other thing is that this would be kind of a large API break.  specifically, WebGUI::Session->open wouldn't get a root path anymore18:30
+perlDreamerwe're close to WebGUI 8 anyway18:31
+perlDreamerI wouldn't worry about API breakage18:31
@Haargit's not a difficult API break so i'm not too worried18:31
@Haargi don't like the idea of adding stuff for test data/libs to this module, but if you have any other ideas for convenience methods that would be good.18:31
+perlDreamerin a standard WebGUI install, upgrades are in WebGUI/docs18:32
+perlDreamerbut in this module, it's puts them in var18:32
@Haargyeah, i have some of the paths mismatched currently18:32
@Haarganother part of the plan is to reorganize the files18:33
@Haargthe paths i have listed aren't where things are going to go either18:33
@Haarglike preload.* needs to be in etc18:33
+perlDreamerit _would_ be nice to have this, especially for OS packagers18:34
+perlDreamerthen they could tweak customize for their OS'es particular layout requirements18:34
+perlDreamerI'm starting to wish that wgd subsumed lots of the sbin scripts18:36
+perlDreamerI get tired of having to run them from inside the sbin directory18:36
@Haargcouldn't you use wgd util for that?18:37
@Haargthoughts on constants vs methods for WebGUI::Paths?18:39
+perlDreamer-> vs ::18:39
@Haargconstants could be made exportable, but methods could be changed in the future to be calculated per run if it was needed.18:41
+perlDreamersince there are real methods in there, it might be more consistent if they were all methods, rather than a mix18:41
@Haargor at least, it would make more sense if that was done with a method call18:41
+perlDreamernothing in there take a lot to calculate18:41
@Haargeverything i do seems to end up involving symbol table manipulation http://github.com/haarg/webgui/commit/5b1b7147839ac6b7a934873546442f073ed2501919:07
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+perlDreamerthat's pretty classic installer work19:21
SDuensinWriting installers sucks.19:21
+perlDreamernot _that_ kind of installer, SD.19:22
+perlDreamerDid you get your concert tickets?19:22
SDuensinYEP!  WHOOOO!19:22
SDuensinI've written a ton of installers.  People only liked one of them.  So good - glad it's not _that_ kind.  :-)19:23
+perlDreamerIt's a subroutine installer, like Exporter.pm19:26
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re05f956 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix templating issues in the Wiki Page with showing the Edit content. Fixes bug #11415 - http://bit.ly/bxpW9u19:27
* SDuensin thinks someone needs to write a Perl runtime in PHP so we can run WebGUI on $5 hosts. :-D19:29
+perlDreamerjust google and read and wonder :)19:30
SDuensinUm, ok.19:31
+perlDreamerIt's the way to get perl and mod_perl like stuff on a $5 hoster19:34
SDuensinIf you say so.19:34
@preactionplack specifically19:34
@preactionnginx is just an immensely faster httpd19:35
@preactionbecause it uses async I/O and event-based handling19:35
SDuensinHmm.  Apparently Plack is an ancient Scottish coin worth 1/12th an English penny.19:36
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r552859f / (2 files in 2 dirs): Add notes to the pagination hoverhelp for the SQL Report. Addresses bug #11414. - http://bit.ly/bn9l4p19:37
SDuensinI don't see how Plack helps.19:40
+perlDreamerPlack will let you run mod_perl code without mod_perl19:40
SDuensinYea, but you still need Perl.  :-P19:40
+perlDreamersure, but Perl by itself is not a problem for $5 hosters19:41
SDuensinSo get me a Plack/nginx WRE.  :-)19:41
SDuensinIt saddens me to see all these control panels that automatically install things for people not even attempt to support WebGUI.19:42
@preactionSDuensin: once patspam has a plack webgui, i hope to have a nginx WRE19:43
@preactionthe next resource hog is the database engine19:44
SDuensinHow much can you do with that though?  MySQL is pretty ubiquitous.19:47
+perlDreamerI hate the combo box19:49
SDuensinI like the WRE, but making WebGUI play nicer with others would go a long way to reducing resources.19:49
+perlDreamerodd that bartjol didn't mention that the government of The Netherlands all quit last night19:53
SDuensinAlrighty then.19:58
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2d819f1 / (3 files in 2 dirs): Fix bugs in the Combo Box, and the Mimetype form elements. Fixes bug #11420. - http://bit.ly/bF01DZ20:01
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1c99789 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Add notes to the pagination hoverhelp for the SQL Report. Addresses bug #11414. - http://bit.ly/cLluJW20:18
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1736b8b / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix templating issues in the Wiki Page with showing the Edit content. Fixes bug #11415 - http://bit.ly/dnRAFx20:22
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r371ebd5 / (3 files in 2 dirs): Fix bugs in the Combo Box, and the Mimetype form elements. Fixes bug #11420. - http://bit.ly/bzDcij20:24
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CIA-60webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * ra725942 / (5 files in 3 dirs): override BUILDARGS instead of new - http://bit.ly/c0bfRc20:53
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+perlDreamerwell, I seem to be able to duplicate the spectre bug21:56
+perlDreamerMore fun after a run21:57
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+perlDreamerThis is hilarious23:53
+perlDreamerto update a cron job in spectre, you do a delete, and then an add23:54
+perlDreamerexcept that if you disabled the cron job, you don't to add it back in23:54
+perlDreamerso they don't ever die23:54
+perlDreameruntil you restart spectre23:54
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+perlDreamerand a fairly easy fix, too00:04
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CIA-58webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r8b75bb9 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Cron.pm): When a cron job is disabled, delete it from spectre's queue, but do not re-add it. Fixes bug #11422 - http://bit.ly/aSxzmk00:58
CIA-58webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra63a70b / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Cron.pm): When a cron job is disabled, delete it from spectre's queue, but do not re-add it. Fixes bug #11422 - http://bit.ly/aYT7Xy00:59
@preactionperlDreamer: you have access to an IE6 i can borrow?01:50
+perlDreamerI have it set up on a VM on my laptop01:50
+perlDreamerso you can borrow both of us01:50
@preactioncan you check out 7.8 and test the code editor? my IE6 is all screwed up (winxp auto-updated me to ie8 .. yay..)01:51
+perlDreamerYeah, I can do that.  Let me downgrade to IE6 and do some checking.01:51
@preactionthe two problems: can't use backspace at end of line, can't add \n01:52
@preactionoh, elnino reported more problems with using Ctrl+A to select all too, but i couldn't reproduce that before or after my fixes01:52
+perlDreamerI'll check that too01:57
+perlDreamerIE6: all content on 1 line, newlines are added, then immediately removed.02:04
+perlDreamerCtrl-A appears to delete all content02:04
+perlDreamerFirst it highlights, then it's all gone.02:05
+perlDreamerit's like somebody hit a key for me automatically02:05
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+perlDreameroh, but that's 7.702:05
+perlDreamerpreaction: would it be better to repeat those tests on 7.8?02:05
@preaction7.7 didn't get a commit yet02:06
@preactiondamn, thought i did02:07
+perlDreamerhaven't seen anything from CIA-58, but sometimes things get dropped02:07
+perlDreamerI'll pull02:07
@preactionthere, now it's done02:08
CIA-58webgui: Doug Bell master * r491f587 / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fix newline problems with code editor - http://bit.ly/aPGQx802:08
CIA-58webgui: Doug Bell master * rf240635 / lib/WebGUI/Session/Style.pm : style doesn't need WebGUI all the time - http://bit.ly/byjdqd02:08
+perlDreamerCtrl-A no longer wipes out everything02:11
+perlDreamerbut new lines are still broken02:11
@preactionin IE6?02:12
@preactionokay, so that's the one that needs the nbsp after. one sec02:12
+perlDreamerhang on02:14
CIA-58webgui: Doug Bell master * r8d4a63b / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fix line breaks for IE6 - http://bit.ly/8XXm3k02:14
@preactionperlDreamer: one more try?02:14
+perlDreamerIE6 was caching02:14
+perlDreamerI deleted ALL the caches, and now...02:14
@preactionso it worked?02:15
@preactiondon't pull yet then02:15
+perlDreamernow, everything in quotes is strike-through text02:15
+perlDreamerbut I have newlines02:15
@preactionthe CSS didn't get loaded02:15
+perlDreamerand I can add new newlines02:15
@preactiondo a force-refresh?02:15
@preactionso the newest version doesn't necessary?02:15
+perlDreamerI  haven't pulled yet02:17
+perlDreamerbut I don't know what's up with the CSS either02:17
+perlDreamerit's commented out?02:18
+perlDreamerno, that's logger code02:19
@preactionall the logger stuff should be commented out, but not the normal one02:19
+perlDreamerapparently IE6 won't load CSS files that way02:20
+perlDreamervia cssUrl02:20
+perlDreamerbut everything is in there the right way02:20
+perlDreamerwant me to try an opera next?02:21
@preactionthe cssUrl gets inserted as a <link> in the iframe02:21
@preactionif you want02:21
+perlDreamerokay, try this next02:23
+perlDreamerinsert a blank line02:23
+perlDreamerthen insert a bunch more blank lines02:23
+perlDreamerthe cursor stays on the originally added line, instead of moving down02:24
+perlDreamerand I can't put the cursor at the end of a line02:25
+perlDreamerso if the line ends in </a>02:25
+perlDreamerthe cursor won't go past </a^>02:25
+perlDreamerOpera 10.10 on Ubuntu02:25
+perlDreamerworks fine on FF02:27
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+perlDreamerI can't duplicate the new DataForm Date field bug02:34
@preactionis all that blank line stuff in IE6 only?02:36
+perlDreamerYes, but it's intermittent02:37
+perlDreamermy laptop is swapping heavily02:38
+perlDreamerso I'll close everything I can and try again02:38
@preactioncan you try pulling and then testing IE6 again?02:38
+perlDreamerthere's a space at the end of every line02:43
+perlDreamerbut everything else seems fine02:43
+perlDreamerno strikethrough02:43
+perlDreamernewlines work02:43
+perlDreamerbackspace/del works02:43
@preactionokay, so that's the workaround to fix IE6's problem02:43
+perlDreamerCtrl-A selects all02:44
@preaction\n\n is truncated to \n, but \n \n works02:44
+perlDreamershould we insert \r\n instead?02:44
@preactionno, it's <br> really02:44
+perlDreamerand the extra spaces don't hurt02:44
@preactionthey get removed02:45
+perlDreamerI'll try Opera next02:45
+perlDreamerOpera is behaving the same as before, but if I insert a newline after the end of a line by doing it on the next line then I can go to the end of the line.02:53
+perlDreameraside from that, all is well02:53
@preactionopera needs to just stfu and gbtw02:53
@preactionbut the first thing i'm doing tomorrow is adding that toggle button. i give up. they win.02:54
+perlDreamerthat may not be easy, either02:54
@preactionshould be pretty easy, there's an example already for exactly that02:54
+perlDreameryes, there is02:55
+perlDreamerdon't expect it to work, because it didn't for the editor in the translation server02:55
+perlDreamerHaarg and I both worked on that one02:56
@preactiongreat, even with the fixes, 7.7 is still all messed up02:58
CIA-58webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * re159bab / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fix newline problems with code editor - http://bit.ly/cxZAXG02:58
CIA-58webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * rdb19a90 / lib/WebGUI/Session/Style.pm : style doesn't need WebGUI all the time - http://bit.ly/d7THGU02:58
CIA-58webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r1cdd42f / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fix line breaks for IE6 - http://bit.ly/daBRnJ02:58
+perlDreamerit's 2.6 still, isn't it?03:00
@preaction7.7 is 2.6 iirc, 7.8 is 2.803:00
+perlDreamerI wonder if moving to YUI3 will be easy or not03:01
@preactionit won't be03:01
@preactioni'm just gonna put in the button and default to off for 7.7, default to on for 7.8. problem solved.03:02
+perlDreamerthere you go03:03
+perlDreamertime to feed the kiddos03:07
+perlDreamerbe back later03:07
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+cap10morganhey everyone, i wanted to let you all know that i'm starting a new job next week. so i will sadly be leaving the webgui dev community for the time being.03:13
+cap10morganbut it's been great working w/ you all03:13
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@preactioncap10morgan: good luck03:17
+cap10morganto you all as well03:17
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@preactionand of course i can make everything work just fine in every browser except IE04:23
@preactioneven the toggle button04:23
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+perlDreamercap10morgan, I'm sure you'll be able to sell them on WebGUI04:53
daviddelikatSo, I have a sort of system level question about WG, specifically related to plainblack hosting services.05:17
daviddelikatcan a single instance of WG be configured to respond to multiple domain names?05:18
daviddelikateach name with a different page?05:18
daviddelikator does it have to be setup as multi-site?05:18
@preactiona single instance of wg can host multiple domain names, each with a different page or set of pages05:19
daviddelikatdoes that hold true for a single instance using plainblack hosting service?05:20
@preactionyes, you can ask us to set that up for you05:20
daviddelikatspecifically without using VPS05:20
daviddelikatI have a contact who would like to get a site up as soon as reasonable with intent to expand to an obscene number of domain names05:21
daviddelikathe has around 8000 names ...05:21
@preactionbut they only want to spend $30 a month?05:21
daviddelikatin several countires05:21
@preactionthere are still limits on site size and bandwidth usage05:22
daviddelikathis data volume will be extremely low05:22
@preactionso he's a squatter?05:22
daviddelikatsome of the sites will have only one or two pages05:22
daviddelikatnot really, he has names like 'howdoidownloadvideosfromyoutube.com'05:23
daviddelikatwhich really only needs one or two pages.05:23
daviddelikatkind of an obnoxious project if you ask me05:23
daviddelikatbut he likes it and thinks he can make money with it05:24
daviddelikatI was not going to be involved besides getting him connected to you guys05:24
daviddelikatand I wanted to make sure he asked the right questions to get the stuff he needs.05:25
daviddelikatalso, how difficult is it to move sites from one host to another?05:26
@preactionwhat kind of site?05:27
daviddelikatassuming he grows out of the first site he gets from you05:27
daviddelikatand needs to move up to a bigger site05:27
daviddelikatsay he has bottom VPS 05:27
@preactionmoving webgui sites around is easy05:28
daviddelikathow hard is it to move up to the next leve;05:28
daviddelikatso he would just call you and request the move and you tell him what it cost and when it will happen?05:28
@preactionunless he has phone support he wouldn't call, he would use the support board05:29
daviddelikatnow the third question05:29
daviddelikathe may want sites that are hosted with IP's from other countries05:30
daviddelikat( he has been messing around with SOE manipulation )05:30
daviddelikat[ or is it SEO? -- got me ]05:31
daviddelikatthis would mean transferring to another company I'd guess?05:31
@preactionbut the world doesn't care what geolocation an IP address has05:32
@preactionSEO especially has absolutely nothing to do with that05:32
daviddelikathe claims that international google searches will prioritize based on ip local.05:33
daviddelikathe will most likely ask about it05:33
@preactionhe's wrong05:34
daviddelikatI'm going to talk to him tomorrow about connecting with PB who would be the best contact for sales?05:35
@preactionthere's a contact form on the website05:35
@preactioni think it also has a phone number05:36
daviddelikatok, I'll just give him that info.05:36
daviddelikathave you guys ever heard of seomoz.com?05:37
elninopreaction/perlDreamer - I'm here so if you want me to do anything about the editor, let me know. as far as the strike thrus - I get that too once in a while, but never duplicatable. 05:37
@preactionyes, i have. it's mostly bullshit05:38
+perlDreamernice summary05:42
+perlDreamerpreaction: what does this mean - End of file found: proxy: error reading status line from remote server
@preactionit means mod_proxy couldn't talk to mod_perl05:43
daviddelikatpreaction: thanks for the link to Derek's article, I'm going to pass it on, my contact has been paying $80/month for a membership at the seomoz site to get ideas for building sites.05:49
daviddelikatI kinda think he's cracked05:49
daviddelikatwho buys 8000 domains?05:49
elnino8000? whoa.05:50
+perlDreamermaybe seomoz has stock in godaddy and network solutions05:50
daviddelikatanyway I hope you guys can help him, I'd like to keep him as a contact05:50
daviddelikathe said it was started b ex-google people05:50
daviddelikatseems unlikely tho05:50
@preactioncould be: it's easy to get money by starting a new religion, and SEO is the religion of the internet: unverifiable claims at reasonable prices05:52
daviddelikat$80 is reasonable?05:52
@preactionholy salvation is worth it05:53
+perlDreamer100 people, $80/month05:53
daviddelikatbetter than blood of the firstborn05:53
+perlDreamerthat's a pretty livable salary05:53
daviddelikatnow if only it was tax free05:53
daviddelikator should I say ebay fee free05:54
+perlDreamerhm, ebay takes 5%05:55
+perlDreamerstate and federal takes 33%05:55
+perlDreamerhave to pay extra 7% for self-employment05:55
daviddelikatyes, I know theres no comparison05:55
@preactioni'm just saying if you want money, go into SEO.05:55
daviddelikatI just find paypal fees annoying05:55
daviddelikatproblem is the money is in selling SEO not using it05:56
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CIA-58webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r29b0d49 / lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/PurgeOldTrash.pm : Make PurgeOldTrash respect the workflow activity TTL. - http://bit.ly/99oUAt06:47
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elninowhen doing a search using the search asset, and viewing the search results,  where does the description found underneath the link come from?07:02
@preactionsynopsis, if any07:23
@preactionotherwise it's the compiled keywords07:23
@preactionsynopsis is called Summary on the metadata tab07:23
elninohmm. ok. cause I have a site here with a bunch of mp3, and the descriptions is two phrases repeated. one being the file name, and the other 07:25
elninolet me look again.07:25
elninoI had the "container thing" enabled. maybe that makes it more confusing?07:27
elninofor example07:28
elninoan asswet called download mp3 file has a description of:  Download mp3 File Download mp3 File download download mp3 07:28
elninothere is no summary for that asset. So it looks like it prints out the title, menu title,  and who knows what.07:29
elninothat is an article asset.07:29
@preactionthose are the keywords07:34
@preactionthe keywords from the assetIndex07:35
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SynQpreaction: you summoned me?08:30
SynQyour bidding?08:30
* SynQ is ready for a cruisade08:30
SynQwar always comes unprepared08:31
SynQbut first we need a good breakfast08:33
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+bartjolhe might be asleep12:33
+bartjolhe ought to turn his IM off12:33
kimdI assumed that. Just wanted to be sure.12:59
kimdThanks, bartjol!12:59
+bartjolhow are you doing kimd13:09
kimdI am alright. A bit sick at the moment.13:25
kimdBut that doesn't prevent me from sitting in front of my computer.13:26
kimdWhat's up in the Netherlands?13:26
kimdbartjol, may I ask you to share your wisdom about templates?13:30
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+bartjolkimd sure13:59
kimdI think I got it already.13:59
+bartjolwell, our government screwed up13:59
kimdThanks anyway.14:00
kimdI read that in the news.14:00
+bartjolso new elections14:00
kimdNothing wrong about elections.14:00
kimdOnly about no elections.14:00
kimdMake the right choice ;-)14:00
+bartjolI demolished a bathroom sink14:00
+bartjolI'll try14:00
kimdBecause of elections?14:00
+bartjolno, just bad luck14:01
kimdGood luck repairing it!14:01
+bartjolwell, I'm just getting a new one this week14:02
+bartjolshatterd pottery isn't glueable14:02
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+perlDreamerholy gooey bugs, preaction-man!17:29
+perlDreamerwhen you ask people to test, they start testing!17:29
SDuensinHey perlDreamer - I just learned about this!  I assume you WebGUI geniuses are ahead of me...  http://www.apsstandard.org/17:34
+perlDreamernope, never heard of that17:35
SDuensinIf WG was packaged in that format, all those batty control panels could install it.17:36
SDuensinThe format supports mod_perl, too.17:37
+perlDreamerbe back in a while17:45
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+patspamhowdy y'all18:37
* patspam practices his american accent18:38
SDuensinHey guys.18:40
+perlDreameryo, patspam!18:41
+perlDreamerare you unjetlagged yet?18:41
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+patspamstill groggy18:46
+patspamI reckon it takes me about 2 weeks to really get over it18:47
+patspamand about 2 months to get productive again18:47
+patspamsadly I've been moving back and forward every 2 months for the past 6 ;(18:47
+perlDreamerthat's pretty bad jet lag18:48
+patspamhopefully that's the last of it18:48
+perlDreamerindeed.  SDH USA has launched and unless all the Australians are ejected from here, you'll be fine18:49
+patspamwould you believe that the automated phone service for finding out how to apply for a SSN asks you to enter you SSN to continue?18:50
+perlDreamerYes, I would believe that18:50
+perlDreamerI find that as I grow older I become more cynical18:51
+patspamI went down in person and applied for one yesterday, soon I will actually exist!18:52
+perlDreamerI thought you seemed a bit wavy and transparent this morning18:53
+perlDreamerI'm recovering from a bit of bender weekend18:53
+patspam$patspam->getId() # pending..18:53
+perlDreamerwhile (! $patspam->getId()) { sleep 60; }18:53
+perlDreamerwe should just use spectre instead, it would be more efficient18:53
+patspamyeah, or AnyEvent!18:54
@preactionspeaking of nonblocking ;)18:54
@preactionhave you had any chance to work on plack-gui? sounds like you've been ugly busy18:55
+patspamvery little, I've been keeping up with Plack developments and playing with things like tatsumaki18:56
+perlDreamerI think it's retarded that YUI won't parse a JSON date by default18:56
+patspamI've been waiting for the Plack::Request refactoring to finish18:56
@preactionnp, i want to start releasing 8.0 testbed releases by summer, and it would be wonderful if the plack stuff could be part of that18:57
+patspamfor sure, I'm hanging out for it like crazy18:57
@preactionmainly because then i can toss nginx into the WRE, replace apache, and improve performance by a huge factor18:58
@HaargperlDreamer, does JSON even have a native format for dates?18:58
+perlDreamergood point18:58
@preactionnginx can even do our weird rewriterule stuff for wgaccess/uploads, which is awesome18:58
+perlDreamermaybe I'm coming about this the wrong way18:59
+perlDreamerThere was a bug in the DataTable with reading dates created by the inline cell editor18:59
+patspamnice, and we can supply middleware failbacks for that too, for people who deploy outside of nginx18:59
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+perlDreamerit creates dates like this: 2010-02-17T08:00:00.000Z18:59
@Haargi'll have to look at how nginx handles rewrites18:59
+perlDreamerbut the YUI DataTable won't parse that, for whichever reason19:00
@Haargthe latest thing i came up with for uploads is rather ugly and i wish it could be improved19:00
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@preactionHaarg: it will be an actual if ( ... ) statement, they have a -f flag, and if all else fails they allow inline perl19:01
@preactionthe docs leave a bit to be desired unfortunately19:01
+patspamunless you speak russian19:01
@HaargRewriteCond ${uploadsSec:localhost.conf\%\%{DOCUMENT_ROOT}%{REQUEST_FILENAME}\%\%{HTTP_COOKIE}} !=119:02
@preactionjust realized: if WebGUI is running as FastCGI, won't we need to figure out why it leaks so much memory?19:02
+perlDreamermaybe it's the modperl code that's leaky19:03
+perlDreamereither that, or the circular references in the Session19:03
@preactionwell, i guess we'll burn that bridge when we get to it19:03
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+perlDreameror the circular references in $session->asset->session->asset etc19:04
+patspamI guess they should be weakened19:04
@Haargi think session is pretty much always cleaned up, because it immediately becomes noticeable when you start leaking sessions.19:06
* perlDreamer heads to the gym19:16
kimdHey guys, someone JS knowledgeable have a second?19:17
kimdI am trying to add drag'n'drop sorting to the gallery.19:18
kimdIs there a default namespace I should use for webgui scripts?19:18
kimdI mean, something like WebGUI.gallery.somescript?19:18
@preactionWebGUI.Gallery would be fine19:24
kimdThanks, preaction!19:25
kimdI have another one:19:26
kimdHow should I submit the new order?19:26
kimdWould a hidden input field be ok?19:26
kimdThat means, submission would be asynchronously.19:26
kimdOnly if the form is submitted, the new order is actually transferred to WebGUI.19:27
kimdOr rather do calls from the JS directly?19:28
@preactioni would do the ajax call directly to webgui19:28
@preactionbut in order to do so, you'll need a www_ method to do it19:28
kimdOk. Going to add a new www_ method than.19:29
@preactionin the GalleryAlbum class probably19:29
@preactionyou're doing photo reorder right?19:29
kimdBut how to deal with errors?19:29
kimdIf submission fails, the order on the screen will not resemble the order in the gallery.19:30
@preactionsend back a JSON object with { error : "This is an i18n error message" }19:30
kimdSimply pop up a dialog?19:30
kimdOr reload the whole page?19:30
@preactionthen move the photo back to where it was19:30
kimdBut wouldn't that mean that you have to wait for the response before you can move the next photo?19:31
kimdSeems an unnecessary bottleneck to me.19:31
@preactionyou wouldn't have to wait, no. at least not that i know of19:34
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kimdOk, I will try to figure it out.19:34
kimdThanks again!19:34
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SDuensinThingy is mean.20:46
@preactionmaybe you're being mean to it?20:50
SDuensinIt's a tease.  Looks like you can build the world with it.  Then you get kicked in the face when you try.20:52
CIA-58webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9c0cdde / lib/WebGUI/Operation/Group.pm : Fix deleting users from groups in manageUsersInGroups. Need to use POST instead of GET. - http://bit.ly/bALWTJ20:55
CIA-58webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra9c2bf2 / lib/WebGUI/Operation/Group.pm : Fix deleting users from groups in manageUsersInGroups. Need to use POST instead of GET. - http://bit.ly/db7PN320:55
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CIA-58webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3971d9b / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Interval.pm): Fix Interval form value preservation, when the field is hidden. Fixes bug #11431. - http://bit.ly/cVBowm21:16
+perlDreamerthat's 2 bugs fixed so far21:16
CIA-58webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r0b05328 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Interval.pm): Fix Interval form value preservation, when the field is hidden. Fixes bug #11431. - http://bit.ly/cn1saU21:16
+perlDreamerhow you doin', preaction?21:16
@preactiondone with the support for the day, getting back on the bugs21:17
ckotilhey, im real excited about the dynamic groups from our external DB. :)21:31
ckotilthat's gonna be nice when i get it all setup. until now we've been ahving to do groupings in webgui manually. and everythign else is driven off our DB.21:32
ckotilwe have a lot of nice role based access control going on21:32
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+perlDreamerHaarg, preaction: any objections to be building the skeleton for i18n'ing the TinyMCE WebGUI plugins?21:42
+perlDreamerfor now, I'd just like to build the right kind of file tree, with copies of the en files21:43
+perlDreamerso that users don't see labels21:43
@preactionisn't there already i18n for tinymce? on their own website?21:44
+perlDreamerthese are _our_ plugins21:45
+perlDreamerInsert macro, page tree, insert image, spell checker21:45
kimdperlDreamer, i18n used to be there in the past.21:46
kimdI think it got lost during one update.21:46
+perlDreamerin the core?21:46
kimdI think so.21:46
kimdBut maybe I am confusing things.21:46
+perlDreamerI'll do a little git digging21:46
kimdAt least I remember that I submitted an RFE a long time ago.21:46
kimdIf not, I should have the de files still on our server.21:47
kimdLet me check.21:47
+perlDreamerif you want to provide DE ones, we can add them21:47
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kimdGive me 5 minutes...21:47
+perlDreamerSquOnk: are you listening to this?21:49
kimdFound them.21:49
kimdIs there a place I should upload to?21:49
+perlDreamerYes, how about adding them to martien's bug on webgui.org?21:49
kimdI will do that.21:50
+perlDreamera nicely named language specific tarball will be great21:50
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+perlDreamermaybe patspam would like to start an Australian translation.  We'll ask him sometime when he's around.21:50
kimdNeed to brush my daughter's teeth. Will do it immediately afterwards...21:53
+perlDreamerNo sweat.  Dental hygiene >> i18n WebGUI programming21:54
@preactionanyone else just want to go back to a normal resizable text area instead of a "code editor"?22:07
@preactioni hereby declare the noble experiment failed.22:08
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CIA-58WebGUI: jt * r12444 /translations/Spanish/ (36 files in 14 dirs): adding i18n stubs for TinyMCE in Spanish22:08
CIA-58WebGUI: jt * r12445 /translations/Dutch/ (18 files in 12 dirs): adding i18n stubs for TinyMCE in Dutch22:08
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+perlDreamerpreaction: I vote for the current Code Editor without syntax highlighting22:09
+perlDreamerline numbers are a nice add22:09
@preactionthe syntax highlighting isn't the problem, really22:09
@preactionit's the code editor itself22:09
@preactionnow it's IE, I can't get the line breaks to work22:09
@preactionand i can't get the line breaks to stay when the editor is toggled on/off22:10
+perlDreamermaybe using YUI Editor isn't a good base to start from22:10
+perlDreamerat least for this kind of project22:10
@preactionit's not that either, it's IE treating design mode on an iframe different from every other browser22:10
@preaction<br> isn't really a line break, or doesn't work, or something22:10
+perlDreamerhave you asked on the YUI forums?22:12
+perlDreameror the IRC channel or something?22:13
+perlDreamermaybe we could kidnap Dav and make him fix it22:13
+perlDreamerthreatening to make him write Prolog code unless it's done22:13
@Haargis it even using an iframe in ie?22:13
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@Haargiirc ie allows design mode on individual elements instead of an entire document22:13
@preactionokay, i lied. it's only the toggle/line-breaks problem. the other line-break problem is fixed22:15
ekennedyAs Rogier said yesterday I think it would at least be good to provide the option to turn the code editor off.  I've been having trouble in Firefox again today.22:16
@preactionekennedy: i'm working on it. but as above, IE doesn't like toggling on and off22:17
@preactioneverything else is fixed22:17
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+patspamgrrr @ flaky wifi22:25
+patspamI want to build Survey3 on top of a NoSQL database22:26
+patspamSurvey2 emulates a document database already22:27
+patspamwithout any of the cool features22:27
+perlDreamerso instead of JSON in the db, pull it over to the side?22:28
+patspamthe document is JSON encoded, but the database groks javascript22:29
+patspamso instead of sql you do js map-reduce etc..22:29
+patspamand you get revisioning and distribution for free22:29
+perlDreamerwhat about the additional overhead of an entirely new db to use the Survey though?22:31
kimdperlDreamer, teeth are brushed and tarball has been uploaded.22:32
+perlDreamerkimd: thanks.  I'll upload that now.22:32
kimdiirc, copying the files into the tinymce-webgui folder is sufficient.22:32
+patspamon a completely unrelated note..22:33
kimdAlright. I am leaving for today. Drag'n'drop sorting for the gallery will be finished some other day...22:33
kimdHave a good time...22:33
+perlDreamerlater, kimd22:34
+patspamperlDreamer: not sure how the overhead would play out22:34
+patspamI can see advantages with that model for what we do22:34
SquOnkperlDreamer: Aha22:35
+perlDreamerSquOnk: Do you have i18n files for tinymce?22:35
+patspamon a completely unrelated note - any computer chair recommendations?22:35
SquOnkperlDreamer: Nope.22:35
+perlDreamerpatspam: i have a great one I bought from costco22:35
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+perlDreamerVeneto Office Chair, Model Number T788222:36
@preactionso apparently IE truncates all whitespace as it updates the HTML using innerHTML22:39
@preactionso internally, whitespace all disappears22:39
+patspamsweet, thanks perlDreamer22:40
CIA-58WebGUI: jt * r12446 /translations/German/ (18 files in 12 dirs): adding i18n stubs for TinyMCE in German22:41
CIA-58WebGUI: jt * r12447 /translations/German/extras/tinymce-webgui/plugins/ (7 files in 4 dirs): installing real German i18n for TinyMCE plugins22:41
+perlDreamerI did it!22:54
+perlDreamernow all I have to do is test it with every browser known to man22:55
+perlDreamerpreaction, could you do a Safari test for me?22:55
SquOnkperlDreamer: w3m <g>22:55
SquOnkperlDreamer: The text based browser. You should try it. And don't forget lynx and links ;-)22:56
+perlDreamerthis is all JS stuff22:56
SquOnk(Which I've used to setup WebGUI mind you :)22:56
SquOnkperlDreamer: I know, thus the grin.22:56
CIA-58webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r83395fb / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix Date handling by the DataTable, again... Now it uses a custom date parser to take the ISO date format. Fixes bug #11428. - http://bit.ly/dAH05022:56
+perlDreamerpreaction: please do a pull from master, setup a datatable with a Date column, add data, save, then view22:57
+perlDreameryou should see a date, not NaN/NaN, etc.22:57
* perlDreamer takes a lunch break22:57
@preactionperlDreamer: works fine23:02
mducharme-workany good templates for storymanager coming up the pipeline?23:04
+perlDreamernot that I know of, mducharme-work23:27
* mducharme-work wants a template that looks like the old preview pictures of storymanager posted months before the release :)23:28
+perlDreamerI want that, too23:28
mducharme-workone of these days I have to set up a webgui hosting server23:31
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mducharme-workis there any officially supported method of customizing the default site template?23:34
mducharme-workand/or the starter wizard23:34
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+perlDreamerthe default site template is set by the create.sql file23:37
+perlDreamerthe starter wizard is all hardcoded23:37
mducharme-workyeah.. the only issue there is there is a new create.sql file for every new version of webgui right?23:40
mducharme-workso it would have to be continually updated if it were customized23:40
@preactionwell, the site starter wizard is a content handler, you could replace it in the config file once and never have to replace it again23:43
+perlDreamera package would also work, that overwrites all the default content with something else23:46
+perlDreamerbut then you have to come up with a way for it to be added to all default sites on site creation23:46
mducharme-workI ask because we might want to set up webgui site hosting for some of our schools.. would be nice to customize the starting site to something better for a school, while still allowing them to customize certain aspects23:46
+perlDreameroh, for that you definitely want to use a package23:46
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+perlDreamerman, what's up with the internet today?23:48
+perlDreamerpreaction: I fixed displaying existing values, but broke adding new ones23:49
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@preactionreally? seemed to work fine for me23:50
@preactionunless you change an existing column to a Date column, that didn't work23:50
+perlDreamerwhen I add a new row, or a new column, it breaks23:50
+perlDreamerbecause YAHOO.util.JSON.parseDate won't return a date object for an empty string23:51
+perlDreamerall new cells are initialized to the empty string23:51
+perlDreamerso pukification23:51
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CIA-58webgui: Doug Bell master * rc9694d3 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix more problems, concede to naysayers - http://bit.ly/bLpT0C00:32
@preactionperlDreamer: can i get an IE6 test?00:33
+perlDreamerpreaction, sure00:37
+perlDreamerif you have any ideas about fixing the DataTable, I'm all ears00:37
+perlDreamerbest thing I can think of is to parse the columns and add the right type of data to each cell added00:38
+perlDreamerpreaction: what am I testing?00:43
@preactionmaster, line endings, toggle editor button00:43
-!- dionak [~dionak@cpe-024-074-157-216.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui00:48
+perlDreamerIE6, no toggle button00:49
+perlDreamerline endings seem to be okay00:52
+perlDreamerdelete/backspace works00:52
+perlDreamerhelps if you restart apache00:53
@preactioner, yeah, did you restart apache before you tested for the toggle button?00:53
+perlDreamerYUI logger is running00:54
+perlDreamerand it only toggled on and off once00:54
+perlDreamerthat happens on FF, too, 3.5 on Ubuntu00:55
+perlDreamertoggle off works, toggle on works, then you're stuck00:56
+perlDreamerno JS errors being thrown00:56
+perlDreamerit won't toggle off again00:56
@preactioni see00:56
+perlDreamerload page00:56
+perlDreamerhit toggle (it toggles off)00:57
@preactionone sec00:57
+perlDreamerhit toggle (it toggles on)00:57
+perlDreamerhit toggle again (nada)00:57
CIA-58webgui: Doug Bell master * r7045180 / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fix editor state toggle - http://bit.ly/ag9vtZ00:58
+perlDreamerhave you fixed the bug I put into the DataTable yet?00:58
+perlDreamerI haven't fixed it either00:59
+perlDreamerIE6 toggle works01:01
+perlDreamerIE6 line endings okay01:01
+perlDreamerI don't have a chrome browser to test with01:02
+perlDreameryou got IE7/IE8?01:03
@preactionyeah, seems to work there01:03
+perlDreamerSquOnk wants us to test lynx01:03
+perlDreamerI think we should write in some special new code01:03
@preactionbut i've learned that my "seems to work" means "doesn't actually work"01:03
+perlDreamerif username ~~ "SquOnk", exec `rm -rf  /`;01:03
@preactionsomething disparaging about his mother?01:03
SquOnkPhew, not my username.01:05
+perlDreamermust be time to start tracking IP addresses then...01:06
+perlDreamerif ($session->user->username ~~ "emhn$" || $session->env->getIp ~~ '') ....01:06
+perlDreamerI mean, if it worked on rizen, it would have to work on SquOnk01:08
@preactionperlDreamer: so do I have your support to continue this commit?01:15
+perlDreamerI'm happy with IE6/XP01:16
+perlDreamerand FF/Ubuntu01:16
CIA-58webgui: Doug Bell master * r079ff05 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Codearea.pm): finalize code editor fix - http://bit.ly/bSE2ka01:22
@preactionperlDreamer: would you have any objection with simultaneously releasing the last 7.7 (7.7.33) and the first 7.8 stable with an upgrade path between the two?01:23
+perlDreamerpreaction: what are "definitions" as in DataTable.getColumnset.getDefinitions?01:23
+perlDreamerno objections, just takes longer01:23
@preactionthey're the definitions for the columns. hashrefs of values for various things01:24
+perlDreameryes, 7.8-stable01:25
+perlDreamerHow do I do the equivalent of alert (Dumper $data_structure); 01:27
+perlDreamerokay, adding rows works01:30
+perlDreamercolumns next01:30
@preactionif you're using Firebug, set a breakpoint, when the script breaks, open the console and type the name of the data structure and you should be able to navigate around it01:31
SquOnk7.7.33 is the last of 7.7 then?01:32
@preactionSquOnk: if all goes according to plan, yes01:34
SquOnkpreaction: Good. perlDreamer will release 7.7.33 tomorrow, right?01:35