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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r457652f / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.35-7.7.17.pl : Make better diagnostics for Revert use packed. - http://bit.ly/cFMSJM | 04:51 |
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| SDuensin | Blah. | 16:29 |
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| ckotil | Has tehre been any progress adding/editing/updating file assets from within the richeditor? | 18:42 |
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| carogray | hi - why and where would you use two ; in a snippet? | 21:53 |
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| carogray | that is two semicolons | 21:54 |
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| @Haarg | semicolons don't do anything special in snippets, it depends on what the snippet is used for | 21:58 |
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| @Haarg | macros are the only thing that snippets handle but they are processed pretty much the same as anywhere else in the system. | 22:00 |
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| carogray | Diona sent me (through rfe) some code for a snippet http://webgui.pastebin.com/d6ced3cc I am wondering what the double semicolons are doing | 22:04 |
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| @Haarg | the first one is part of the macro call | 22:07 |
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| @Haarg | the second is part of the query string in the link | 22:08 |
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| carogray | aha. ok thanks,I just wasn't sure. | 22:11 |
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| carogray | I need a refresher on templating language. I want to create intro txt for different variables depending on whether the variable is there or not. I have one for two variables, http://webgui.pastebin.com/m79278219, but what how do I do tmpl_if s if want it to say," if created is filled in, say 'created:'" "if updated is filled in, say 'updated:'", "if revised is filled in say, 'revised'", if deleted is filled in say, 'deleted:'" etc. so | 23:19 |
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| carogray | is this one of those things we could use tmpl expressions that someone at the WUC was talking about where we could use Case statements - vague memory.... | 23:20 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rf4d9c2c / (6 files in 6 dirs): Only users who canAdminister the parent wiki are allowed to purge revisions of a wiki page. Fixes bug #11377 - http://bit.ly/9zcBhL | 00:48 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * racc6447 / (6 files in 6 dirs): Only users who canAdminister the parent wiki are allowed to purge revisions of a wiki page. Fixes bug #11377 - http://bit.ly/aEoQG9 | 00:51 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfc9e115 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Autocommit tags created when making shortcuts in the Gallery (cross publishing). Fixes bug #11378 - http://bit.ly/d4zCwf | 03:02 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5ba8eb4 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Autocommit tags created when making shortcuts in the Gallery (cross publishing). Fixes bug #11378 - http://bit.ly/9qZ7W5 | 03:02 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r046ef0f / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm : Update POD. - http://bit.ly/c3Lo4D | 04:37 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfb49a14 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Update POD. - http://bit.ly/9ziKIE | 04:41 |
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| elnino | is there a secret in being able to search for "blog.rss" on the asset search? | 06:56 |
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| +bartjol | perlDreamer: you know whether there is a function to delete old, committed version tags to clean up tables and have a "fresh" restart? I don believe it is default functionality, but maybe you?e heard of something like it | 16:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | wgd will do it | 16:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | wgd reset --clear, perhaps? | 16:51 |
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| +bartjol | ah, cool | 16:51 |
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| +bartjol | dunno, I only have it installed on my laptop, which is at home | 16:52 |
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| +bartjol | let? use my testserver, thanks | 16:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, it is --clear | 16:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | wgd reset --clear | 16:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | or wgd reset -d will also do it, since -d is --backup --clear --debug --upgrade --uploads | 16:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | but it will nuke everything below /home | 16:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh -d also has --import | 16:55 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:55 |
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| +bartjol | ah, I don wanna throw everything away | 16:57 |
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| +bartjol | morning | 16:57 |
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| +bartjol | let? test a clear then | 16:58 |
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| +bartjol | grrr keyboard settings | 16:58 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rfc096d2 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm): Fix bad path to a YUI JS library. Fixes bug #11387 - http://bit.ly/9oXaPR | 16:59 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3570411 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm): Fix bad path to a YUI JS library. Fixes bug #11387 - http://bit.ly/d2JjVt | 16:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | Hey, SD. | 16:59 |
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| +bartjol | mm that clear options sounds rigorous, I don wanna remove content. glad that I rtfm'd | 17:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | bartjol, there's always Manage Committed Version Tags, from the Version Tags admin console option | 17:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | tha will let you delete committed content, too | 17:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | but only one at a time | 17:16 |
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| +bartjol | mm and you have to check each version tag, whether it has got the newest version, and then have to preserve that | 17:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | they're listed in order of commit date, so just from top down | 17:20 |
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| +bartjol | I I think I explained incorrectly. I wanna freeze the site as is (so keeping all current content and open version tags), but remove old versions of assets | 17:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh... | 17:23 |
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| +bartjol | this function clears to much | 17:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm | 17:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | have a look at wgd reset --purge | 17:24 |
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| +bartjol | the purge sounds nice, it calls purge_old_revisions, but I also can call you Sue | 17:24 |
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| +bartjol | let? read some code | 17:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | you can call me Betty, and I'll call you Al | 17:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | although, given current circumstances, I'd probably call you Bob the Builder | 17:28 |
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| +bartjol | mmm | 17:28 |
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| +bartjol | did make some water piping, put it all in the wall and covered the holes up again this weekend | 17:28 |
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| +bartjol | so more tiling coming up soon | 17:29 |
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| SDuensin | perlDreamer: Thanks. Now that is stuck in my head. | 17:35 |
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| +bartjol | I have some tools against that SDuensin, crowbars, sledgehammers, etc | 17:36 |
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| +bartjol | I? not threatening, I want to help you | 17:36 |
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| SDuensin | Me too - Radio Margaritaville! | 17:37 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r4089e39 / t/Asset/permissions.t : Peel out permissions testing from t/Asset/Asset.t into a separate test. - http://bit.ly/bryOCR | 18:17 |
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| chatito28 | Good morning i have a quick question, my site get really stop at ramdom times, the only way to speed it up to normal when this happens is by restarting all modperl service, does anybody has any ideas? | 18:58 |
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| chatito28 | i have tweak the modperl.conf to add more servers | 18:58 |
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| chatito28 | i see no errors or nothing that can give me any hints | 18:59 |
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| ckotil | Any progress on mounting a network drive to your PC then drag and drop assets into webgui? | 19:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | ckotil, that would be WGFS, and it just needs a programmer to take the prototype code and finish it | 19:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | chatito28, adding more servers won't always help, especially if you run out of memory | 19:10 |
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| * perlDreamer heads to the gym, and will be back later | 19:11 |
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| chatito28 | perldreamer i would understand that but i have more than enough memory plus when i check the current use when this event happens and it's got plenty to use. | 19:35 |
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| chatito28 | i made a change in modperl.conf as instructed by tech support by should i make the change in modproxy.conf as well? | 19:42 |
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| ckotil | perlDreamer: Interesting. is the prototype code available to public on teh dev site? | 19:46 |
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| @Haarg | ckotil, http://github.com/plainblack/wgfs | 19:48 |
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| @Haarg | chatito28, making a similar change the modproxy config is unlikely to have any effect | 19:48 |
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| ckotil | thanks | 19:53 |
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| ckotil | i hackishly did something similiar a while ago. apache webdav + cronjob to import assets. the resulting implementation wasn't fast enough for people to use | 19:54 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 21:24 |
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| SquOnk | Typo in sbin/userImport "overriden" | 21:24 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Typo in sbin/userImport "overriden" | 21:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, surely someone with git access could fix that? :) | 22:36 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6b90610 / sbin/userImport.pl : Fix POD typo - http://bit.ly/cVj7Zi | 22:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | so it turns out that if you have a dataform on a Page, that it serves up the same CAPTCHA multiple times | 23:45 |
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| @preaction | nice | 23:46 |
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| @preaction | i will work on bugs, but i have to do support first | 23:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I don't see any way around it, without compromising the Slashdot/burst protection | 23:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | you have to instanciate all the assets in order to query them | 23:47 |
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| dionak | perlDreamer, I see you expanded the SiteIndex test. Thanks for getting that feature incorporated into core. | 01:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | you're welcome. The SiteIndex should not be displaying hidden pages | 01:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | by default, anyway | 01:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | and using the config file like you suggested is a nice way to grandfather in the old behavior | 01:09 |
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| @Haarg | i wish mod_rewrite would let you return specific http codes instead of just some of them | 01:09 |
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| dionak | i'm glad that worked out. how did you do on your recent campaign to get some help with writing tests? | 01:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | Luke Robinson from the UK has written several. | 01:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | Bart Jol wrote a couple | 01:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | I gave away about 5000 karma in December and January | 01:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | but earned it all back doing forum postings and bug fixes | 01:11 |
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| dionak | you probably have a lot. ;) | 01:11 |
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| dionak | plenty enough to give some away | 01:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | would you like to earn some? :) | 01:11 |
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| dionak | I thought I was earning it already. ;) | 01:12 |
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| dionak | I'd like to say yes but it doesn't look like I'm going to have any spare time in the near future. We're looking to add a developer these days and I'm working on internet marketing in addition to other duties. | 01:13 |
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| dionak | Btw, did I tell you the site you helped us with is live? | 01:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | No, that's great! | 01:14 |
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| dionak | www.mcpolymers.com | 01:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | I still think rap music when I read that | 01:14 |
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| dionak | the application and market pages are driven by Thingy | 01:14 |
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| dionak | lol | 01:14 |
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| dionak | you just dated yourself. | 01:14 |
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| dionak | as did I | 01:15 |
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| dionak | Back to tests, I just keep submitted as I have been...as I'm working on something | 01:16 |
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| dionak | I have our developers do the same | 01:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | I've been working on WebGUI 8, and the tests have been invaluable | 01:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | they also point out that there's still a lot of untested code in the core | 01:19 |
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| dionak | It's helpful to have examples, from this point of view, so we can create tests and submit. | 01:22 |
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| dionak | Generally, I'm basing tests on what is already in the codebase. | 01:22 |
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| dionak | btw, carogrey is using a package I made out of some code for a site. Basically, it's a 'send to a friend' email feature. Is that a feature in WebGUI atm? She's exposed an issue that occurs when the PageTitle macro is called in admin mode. It returns a href instead of the page title. | 01:23 |
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| dionak | I'm wondering if that package is now a feature. | 01:24 |
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| dionak | As a content manager, she's loving the feature. | 01:25 |
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| @preaction | dionak: post it as an RFE if it's not already, if you guys can do it we can put it in 7.9 | 01:25 |
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| dionak | k | 01:26 |
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| dionak | any idea why the page title returns a href tho? | 01:27 |
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| dionak | there's already a RFE. http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10969 | 01:30 |
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| dionak | Should I reopen or create a new one? | 01:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | I read that RFE, and I don't understand what the problem is | 01:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | it sounds like there are different problems | 01:35 |
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| @preaction | probably because it's a retarded macro | 01:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | in one, PageTitle returns an href whenever an op or func is active | 01:35 |
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| dionak | yes, which is odd considering the name of the macro | 01:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | and in the other one, she wants some kind of email this page to a friend feature | 01:36 |
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| @preaction | and of course the code has no reason WHY it's returned as a link, so we can't fix it | 01:36 |
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| @preaction | ... | 01:36 |
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| @preaction | i can't wait for WebGUI 9 | 01:36 |
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| dionak | 9? | 01:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | why not change it in 7.9? | 01:37 |
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| @preaction | yes, the one after 8 where i get to change everything to do exactly what I want it to do | 01:37 |
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| dionak | lol | 01:37 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: because I don't know why it is the way it is | 01:37 |
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| @preaction | someone must be relying on this behavior, or had at one point | 01:37 |
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| @preaction | for some people who write webgui code, documentation is to explain what, but never why | 01:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's from 2002 | 01:38 |
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| @preaction | i don't need to know what, the code tells me what | 01:38 |
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| @preaction | which means for 8 years people have been relying on this feature. if we "fix" it, people will consider their code that broke a bug | 01:39 |
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| dionak | this is why tests are so critical. | 01:39 |
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| dionak | not to mention "why" in documentation. you have a good point there | 01:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | it guess it's a nice feature for using in an email, since that's usually handled by an op or func | 01:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | but I would guess that no one uses that feature | 01:40 |
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| @preaction | we can't guess | 01:40 |
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| @preaction | if we were guessing, i'd agree. it's an esoteric and completely useless feature | 01:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | it would be nice to have more "why" and less "how and what" in our POD | 01:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | dionak++ | 01:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | dionak: would ^Page('title'); work instead of ^PageTitle(); ? | 01:47 |
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| dionak | yes, that would help in this case | 01:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | that only ever returns the title, without any of the funny href business | 01:48 |
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| dionak | would you like me to make an RFE for that? | 01:48 |
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| @preaction | for which? | 01:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | for changing the behavior of the PageTitle macro, or for putting in an Send this Page's URL to a friend | 01:51 |
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| @preaction | for the documentation thing, well, you're not going to change the dozen devs we have with an RFE | 01:52 |
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| dionak | for passing in the string title to the PageTitle macro to change the behavior (return just the title). | 01:53 |
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| @preaction | ugh. ugh ugh ugh. | 01:53 |
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| dionak | it still doesn't address the long term issue | 01:53 |
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| @preaction | i say new RFE: Remove the PageTitle macro | 01:53 |
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| dionak | but it would address the current issue | 01:53 |
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| dionak | lo | 01:53 |
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| dionak | l | 01:53 |
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| dionak | let's not. ;) | 01:53 |
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| dionak | it's very useful. | 01:54 |
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| @preaction | i mean, we have ^Page("title"); works fine | 01:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | and in TT, we could even have page.title | 01:54 |
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| @preaction | indeed | 01:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | and then we can do page.session.db.dbh.write('delete from myDatabase') | 01:55 |
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| @preaction | in TT i have plans to phase out macros completely for an alternative, but later | 01:55 |
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| @preaction | yeah, not that | 01:55 |
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| @preaction | DO YOU NOT TRUST ME? | 01:55 |
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| dionak | oh, so I just need to change to Page('title') | 01:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:55 |
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| @preaction | no altering anything permanent in templates | 01:55 |
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| @preaction | bad juju | 01:55 |
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| @preaction | and if you need a SQL query, we have SQLReport, included via [INCLUDE assetId(whatever)] | 01:56 |
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| dionak | ok, i'll try that tomorrow. In the sql report, would params still be passed through? | 01:57 |
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| @preaction | in my perfect world, no | 01:58 |
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| dionak | hm. | 01:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | why not, preaction? | 01:58 |
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| dionak | we would need someway to pass them. | 01:58 |
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| @preaction | because form params are for the page you're currently on | 01:58 |
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| dionak | the sql report would be on that page, no? | 01:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think he means Page Layout, versus SQL Report | 01:58 |
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| @preaction | right, i mean like how AssetProxy works, like on a style template | 01:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's back to the Asset focus debate | 01:59 |
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| @preaction | right | 01:59 |
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| @preaction | the pn=3 problem | 01:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | exactly | 01:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | which is why we now have really ugly pn query param names | 02:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | people want the Page Layout to "frame" content transparently, instead of including it | 02:00 |
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| @preaction | but people also want to include content and have form parameters affect it | 02:00 |
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| @preaction | yay! | 02:00 |
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| dionak | i see your challenge | 02:01 |
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| @preaction | heh, that's an EASY challenge: one people get what they want, other do not. | 02:01 |
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| dionak | yes, i see. not passing params would break some of our sites. | 02:02 |
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| dionak | like midwest heart | 02:02 |
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| dionak | but if there was an alternative, it could be implemented. | 02:02 |
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| dionak | part of our challenge is avoiding having to create many pages for a functionality. | 02:03 |
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| dionak | it increases costs | 02:03 |
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| dionak | that's one of the benefits we are receiving from params being passed through | 02:03 |
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| dionak | benefit = reduced development cost | 02:03 |
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| dionak | but that might be minimal depending on the details. will have to give it some thought. | 02:04 |
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| @preaction | again in my perfect world it would be easier to develop for webgui, as it would all be based on a common Perl ORM (DBIx::Class) and there would be helper methods that could take queries and build templates for you | 02:04 |
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| @preaction | i've started this project at http://github.com/preaction/modern-webgui | 02:05 |
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| dionak | i'm struck by the very few requirements | 02:06 |
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| dionak | is that just b/c it is newly created? | 02:06 |
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| @preaction | well, it also requires WebGUI | 02:06 |
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| @preaction | those are just the extra requirements | 02:07 |
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| @preaction | but as i reimplement the rest of the webgui stack, i imagine many requirements will go away | 02:07 |
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| dionak | 'just' is always a red flag for me. ;) | 02:07 |
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| @preaction | mainly because templates aren't a plugin point anymore, and other stuff. using best-of-breed stuff to do things (because they didn't exist when webgui was initially created) | 02:08 |
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| dionak | i'll be interested to hear what you discover. are you doing this on your own or as part of PB R&D? | 02:08 |
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| @preaction | personal project, which is why it's taking so long | 02:09 |
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| @preaction | i've got an almost-reimplemented WebGUI asset | 02:09 |
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| @preaction | it's just got a couple bugs before it can be released | 02:09 |
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| @preaction | but it's compatible with 7.x and when 8.x is released it will be compatible with that too | 02:09 |
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| dionak | interesting.. | 02:09 |
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| @preaction | that or there will be a WebGUI::Content handler to load WebGUIx::Assets | 02:09 |
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| dionak | it's getting late here. Thanks for the conversation and pointer. Talk to you guys soon. | 02:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | time for me to cook dinner, bbiaw for 7.8 release | 02:16 |
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| @preaction | and why in nether hell do we have a PerlSetVar WebguiRoot in the apache config IF IT IS NOT USED IN preload.perl? | 02:56 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra42b7dd / t/Asset/WikiPage/permissions.t : Turn off notifications for the test. - http://bit.ly/9RbhVP | 04:01 |
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| elnino | no no no! | 05:49 |
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| elnino | I had a style sheet, that I was reordering so it was at the top, and then it's order number became "null" and I thought, if I cut it, and paste it back it would get a "order number" and now it's gone from existance.... | 05:50 |
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| elnino | if I edit it, it's in lala land. Not even under root. | 06:06 |
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| elnino | now I can't even add anything to that folder.. If I reindex..... what would happened? | 06:09 |
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| @preaction | elnino: if you "rebuildLineage.pl" (from /data/WebGUI/sbin) it should fix it | 06:23 |
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| elnino | k I'll try that. I've always reordered things before, I'm a bit surprised this happened. Of course, I can probably never duplicate it either. | 06:24 |
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| elnino | thanks preaction, I'll try it soon here... | 06:24 |
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| elnino | pretty small groups online lately. Is there a holiday going on that I'm missing? | 06:28 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r636d539 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.8.11 release. - http://bit.ly/cLPuuh | 06:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, I think people are too busy to hang out on IRC | 06:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino, did you see the post on the etc forum from the guy wanting help making a webgui site? | 06:32 |
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| elnino | no. | 06:32 |
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| elnino | I"ll look though. Thanks perlDreamer! | 06:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/forums/design/under-the-gun---help-needed#idotMeSy3AtaomBcII2jnSNg | 06:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | not etc, design | 06:34 |
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| elnino | hmm. is there a way to email this person? I really don't want to put my email up either.. =( | 06:37 |
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| elnino | oh never mind. found the private messaging. | 06:38 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re3cbb27 / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : Fix typo in module name. - http://bit.ly/dqmlHb | 06:39 |
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| elnino | oh this is sad.. I ran the reindex. The style sheet is in my clipboard, and when I try to paste, it barfs. | 06:45 |
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| * elnino looks at log files. | 06:45 |
| +perlDreamer | good idea :) | 06:46 |
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| elnino | nothing.. weird. | 06:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | what's the log level? | 06:48 |
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| elnino | error. | 06:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | might need to set it to warn, or info and try again | 06:48 |
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| elnino | I finally split up all my log files so that I could see better. | 06:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | which version? | 06:48 |
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| elnino | 7.7.28 | 06:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's pretty new | 06:49 |
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| elnino | well, now I have a fatal.. setting logs to warn gives me fatal errors? or there must be a delay in reporting.... | 06:51 |
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| elnino | WebGUI::SQL::ResultSet::execute[137] - Couldn't execute prepared statement: update asset set state='published', stateChangedBy='DQAOfECMOVnAVP6wbu07Lw', stateChanged=1265172620 where assetId in () : With place holders: . Root cause: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ')' at line 1 | 06:51 |
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| elnino | weird, and I have now a bunch of warns from past dates.. - is that what is supposed to happen>? | 06:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, that's not supposed to happen | 06:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | and that happens when you try to paste the style template | 06:53 |
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| elnino | then I'm defaintely seeing things. | 06:53 |
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| elnino | it's a snippet. And it stops in the middle of "pasting style.css" in the asset manager. (does that make sense?) | 06:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 06:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's the Progress Bar screen | 06:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | that error is coming from publish sub, it shouldn't ever happen | 06:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | there should be at least 1 assetId (self) | 06:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, okay, maybe there's a bad condition | 06:59 |
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| elnino | I wish I could duplicate it. | 07:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | you can't? | 07:00 |
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| elnino | no.. | 07:00 |
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| elnino | it was weird. | 07:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | so it did paste in the end | 07:00 |
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| elnino | nope, it's still in the clipboard forever. | 07:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | can you cut and paste it again? | 07:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah, if it's still in the clipboard we can find and fix it | 07:01 |
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| elnino | yes, I made a copy of it when it was in lala land. | 07:01 |
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| elnino | I can just delete it at this point. I made a new one. | 07:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah, okay | 07:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | you might be able to delete it | 07:01 |
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| elnino | that worked. | 07:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | cool | 07:02 |
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| elnino | yeah, that was just a weird scenario - I wish I could duplicate it and create a bug report for you. =) | 07:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | for this one, we'd have to fix it on your site | 07:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | a bug report wouldn't help much | 07:03 |
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| elnino | I can tell you some of what happend. | 07:03 |
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| elnino | well, I hope other things aren't hosed. It started off when I copied the webgui blank style template | 07:04 |
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| elnino | which gave me a prefetch request body failed error | 07:04 |
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| elnino | since I have your attention. =) | 07:06 |
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| elnino | how do I get rid of Could not create workflow instance for workflowId 'pbworkflow000000000007' errors? | 07:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | restart spectre | 07:06 |
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| elnino | I'll wrte a wiki... It seems I get these alot. | 07:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | we can't find out what causes that bug | 07:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's very frustrating | 07:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | all 4 of us have worked on it for many months | 07:07 |
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| elnino | I'll write a wiki anyway. =) | 07:07 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc3aa44a / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.8.12 development. - http://bit.ly/d1r2lq | 07:16 |
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| elnino | so I did restart spectre. two of my sites aren't "connecting" but I did a diff on the conf file, and am not seeing anything | 07:27 |
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| elnino | I obviously have a typo somewhere.. Couldn't fetch Spectre configuration data : malformed JSON string, neither array, object, number, string or atom, at character offset 1 ["<html>n<head>n<title..."] at ../lib/Spectre/Admin.pm line 158. | 07:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | yup | 07:28 |
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| elnino | I'm getting a \ No newline at end of file when I do a diff. | 07:29 |
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| elnino | what's that supposed to mea? they look correct. | 07:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | missing newline isn't a problem | 07:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | spectre configuration data is data sent from WebGUI to Spectre when it starts up | 07:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | try starting spectre by hand, with the --debug on and pipe the output into a file to look at | 07:30 |
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| * perlDreamer needs to crash out. | 07:31 |
| +perlDreamer | see you all tomorrow | 07:31 |
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| ozysimpson | hello all in the process of installing webgui for the first time | 08:35 |
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| ozysimpson | on a centos machine :-) keeping my fingers crossed | 08:35 |
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| carogray | I have a question about URLs and domains - having to do with those a records and m records etc. anyone here who can answer that kind of question? | 15:54 |
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| ckotil | a records and mx rexcords? | 15:58 |
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| ckotil | DNS question. I can try to answer it, and im sure someone else will know the answer in here. | 15:58 |
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| +bartjol | carogray: what is your question? | 16:12 |
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| carogray | ah thanks | 16:12 |
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| carogray | um.. you can have old.masslegalhelp.org go to one server, and www.masslegalhelp.org go to another server i.e. PlainBlack, but | 16:13 |
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| carogray | can you have www.masslegalhelp.org/apply-for-services be hosted on a different server than all other pages or does it have to be apply.masslegahelp.org? | 16:14 |
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| carogray | this isn't actually for our site. i want to host some unique pages for other domains on our server. | 16:14 |
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| carogray | ckotil: sorry didn't see you responded | 16:15 |
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| ckotil | you will have to add a redirect to www.masslegalhelp.org/apply-for-services redirecting you to apply.masslegalheop.org; but only iff apply.mass.legalhelp.org is on another server. | 16:26 |
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| ckotil | if they were the same server, you could still use a redirect, but mod_rewrite is more elegant. | 16:27 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:28 |
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| +bartjol | ah, I see ckot* covers my absence | 16:31 |
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| ckotil | i just hope i didnt confuse carogray :) | 16:33 |
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| carogray | I think my question is not clear. | 16:34 |
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| ckotil | you can have www.masslegalheolp.org/any-unique-url-here | 16:35 |
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| carogray | I want to put a unique not-a-domain-name-we-have page on our plainblack server | 16:35 |
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| carogray | I think your latest answer is the unique part can only come BEFORE the domain name, not after? | 16:36 |
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| carogray | Redirects aren't really the issue | 16:36 |
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| +bartjol | well, if you want another server running stuff, you'll need another subdomain | 16:37 |
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| ckotil | if you own masslegalhelp.org you can have anything 'before' (which are subdomains) or 'after' (just part of the URL) | 16:37 |
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| carogray | so I wanted to host the MassJusticeProject form so people could apply for services, whilst MassJusticeProject website is on some other server I can only have apply.massjusticeproject.org on PlainBlack server, but not massjusticeproject.org/apply | 16:38 |
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| carogray | MassJusticeProject.org is already a website on some other server somewhere | 16:38 |
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| carogray | they own it, they can direct it, but what is physically possible? | 16:39 |
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| ckotil | correct. they can point apply.massjusticeproject.org to your plainblack server | 16:39 |
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| ckotil | OR redirect to your domain via massjusticeproject.org/apply | 16:39 |
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| carogray | yes, but in the latter case the user would end up at Masslegalhelp.org/massjusticeproject-apply or something | 16:40 |
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| ckotil | i dunno if PB supports multiple subdomains for a site. bartjol would have to answer that. | 16:40 |
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| ckotil | carogray: yes they would, so that is less than ideal. yet another option is to use mod_proxy | 16:40 |
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| ckotil | but that gets kind of indepth, and would require a little more work on massjusticeproject's part. | 16:40 |
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| carogray | ok - have no idea what mod_proxy is | 16:40 |
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| ckotil | basically you go to their domain/url, and their webserver goes to your site, gets the content, and serves it to the user. so it looks like they are still at massjusticeproject.org | 16:41 |
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| carogray | perhaps they can live with apply.massjusticeproject.org ... and perhaps PlainBlack - I am pretty sure they | 16:41 |
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| carogray | oops aah Isee | 16:41 |
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| ckotil | so you have a few options | 16:42 |
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| carogray | I suspect there is noone over there who has the technical knowhow to do mod_proxy... is that only a webgui thing or is it a web thing? | 16:42 |
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| ckotil | its an apache thing. i expect IIS to have a simlliar feature as well | 16:42 |
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| carogray | hmmm - well that's all very helpful I will let them know and see what they want to do. | 16:43 |
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| carogray | thanks so much. | 16:43 |
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| ckotil | glad to help | 16:44 |
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| +bartjol | voor bartjol2.nl en de is_alive jetser zijn er wel andere logs btw, voor die tweede wist je het al, maar dan weet je het | 17:25 |
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| +bartjol | oops | 17:25 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * re4e6b84 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm : Begin to convert Event to Moose. - http://bit.ly/ciN4ue | 17:36 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r4f8ff01 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm : Begin copying labels over from the event edit template into the Moose definition. - http://bit.ly/9r9kUU | 17:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | bbiab | 17:45 |
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| +MrHairgrease | bbiab? | 17:45 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh | 17:45 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i get it | 17:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | had to drop the kids off at school | 18:09 |
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| +MrHairgrease | did it hurt? | 18:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | not me :) | 18:10 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ofcourse | 18:10 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that's the order of things | 18:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | Did you ever figure out how to get magical default methods for Moose, MrHairgrease? | 18:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh yeah i found something that did work | 18:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but I still don't like it much | 18:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hang on | 18:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'll see if I can find it again | 18:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m37b7211e | 18:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I borked my perl install over here | 18:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so I'm not sure if this was the actual working example | 18:17 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but the general idea is there | 18:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | I thought only Swedish people could bork things | 18:18 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I have a Swedish colleague at Mapper | 18:18 |
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| +MrHairgrease | doesn't that count for something? | 18:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | he must have taught you well ;) | 18:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | he probably did | 18:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | I had some problems with self referencing code inside of around blocks, so be careful | 18:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | although he started only two days ago | 18:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 18:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'm not gonna use it at all | 18:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | at least for the time being | 18:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'll just stick to my Chart::Magick::Definition | 18:21 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I need a good method name | 18:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | what does the method do? | 18:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the method in question tells whether or not datapoints that are out of axis range can actually be drawn | 18:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so for instance on an x-y graph | 18:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the answer is no for both axes | 18:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but on a polar coordinate system the answer is yes for the angle | 18:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | does it check each datapoint, or does it tell you whether or not there are any? | 18:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no it just tells the chart plugin whether it should try to rdraw points out of range at all | 18:28 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it just for speedup | 18:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | drawOutOfRange | 18:28 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the chart plugin does the range checking if it feel like it | 18:28 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hmm maybe | 18:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | canDrawOutOfRange | 18:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I was thinking more in the lines of handlesOutOfRange | 18:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah that's better | 18:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I think I'll use that one then | 18:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | I like handles, too | 18:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | who doesn't =) | 18:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | do you know how to use git to display a file in another branch, without switching to that branch? | 18:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | short answer: | 18:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no | 18:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | =) | 18:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | maybe it on google? | 18:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | or did you already try that | 18:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | I am now that I've been let down | 18:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but why not switch to the other branch | 18:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ? | 18:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have uncommitted work, and I'm too lazy to use git stash or git commit | 18:33 |
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| +MrHairgrease | wow, | 18:33 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that's real lazy =) | 18:33 |
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| +MrHairgrease | how's the impatience and hubris coming along? | 18:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm developing hubris along 2 axes right now | 18:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I'm loaded with impatience | 18:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | that comes from having kids | 18:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I see | 18:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | git show REVISION:path/to/file.pm | 18:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ah ok | 18:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but then you need a hash right? | 18:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | or can you do something like other_branch:HEAD | 18:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | I did git show-refs --head | 18:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | which told me the rev for head | 18:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | master:HEAD:path/to/file would have been great | 18:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | I need to sit and read the git user manual some time | 18:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe I'll do that before I go running, pick up the kids, clean the house and make dinner | 18:38 |
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| +MrHairgrease | what? | 18:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no dishes? | 18:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's part of cleaning the house | 18:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | right | 18:41 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no pets? | 18:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | they clean themselves | 18:42 |
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| +MrHairgrease | may you'll have to feed them? | 18:42 |
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| +MrHairgrease | maybe* | 18:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | nope, that's the kid's job | 18:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | sometimes, I delegate cleaning the house to the kids | 18:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | but that doesn't help with the impatience | 18:42 |
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| +MrHairgrease | delegation is a good thing | 18:42 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I read so in the Moose docs | 18:43 |
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| +MrHairgrease | =) | 18:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | I need to override a Moose attribute to be read only | 18:47 |
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| +MrHairgrease | use the + notation | 18:48 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so has +overrideProp ( is => 'ro' ) | 18:49 |
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| +MrHairgrease | er | 18:49 |
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| +MrHairgrease | has '+overrideProp' ( is => 'ro' ) | 18:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | you can't override "is" | 18:50 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh | 18:50 |
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| +MrHairgrease | then you're out of luck i think | 18:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think I'll try our perennial favorite, around | 18:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | from what I seeing, it's almost never required to override update anymore | 18:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | you only have to override individual properties | 18:52 |
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| +MrHairgrease | cool, I learned a new word today! | 18:53 |
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| +MrHairgrease | thanks | 18:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | new word? | 18:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | perennial? | 18:54 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no, 'our' | 18:54 |
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| +MrHairgrease | =) | 18:54 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it was perennial indeed | 18:55 |
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| @Haarg | <perlDreamer> master:HEAD:path/to/file would have been great | 20:50 |
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| @Haarg | what would you have wanted that to show you? | 20:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | I was working in static_definition, which is very old compared to master | 20:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I need to do some recent i18n lookups | 20:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | we never got around to merging last week | 20:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | master:HEAD:lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm | 20:53 |
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| @Haarg | any time git wants a revision, you can give it a symbolic revision | 20:53 |
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| @Haarg | so git show master:lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm | 20:53 |
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| @Haarg | or git show master^:lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm for the parent revision of master | 20:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | the other one didn't work, with HEAD | 20:54 |
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| @Haarg | HEAD is just another symbolic reference | 20:54 |
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| @Haarg | there isn't really anything you could refer to as master:HEAD | 20:55 |
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| @Haarg | http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-rev-parse.html | 20:56 |
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| @Haarg | goes through all the ways to specify revisions | 20:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | and they say regular expressions are hard... | 21:00 |
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| @Haarg | yeah, lots of complex options | 21:01 |
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| @Haarg | but usually the useful ones are adding ^ to the end of a rev to specify the parent | 21:02 |
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| @Haarg | or multiple ^s | 21:02 |
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| Socrates | and drinks it | 22:44 |
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| doc777 | Hello friends! I am fixing to build a new webgui server and currently plan to use ubuntu server 8.04 LTS ( Migrating from gentoo ). Will WebGUI get along with x64 or should I stick with x32? | 00:15 |
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| @Haarg | i've seen it used on a 64bit system using the 32bit wre. we haven't had much luck getting the wre to compile on 64bit, but it that was done WebGUI itself would work fine. | 00:16 |
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| doc777 | I plan to use the wre this time. | 00:16 |
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| @Haarg | if you use the 32bit wre as far as i know everything should work fine | 00:17 |
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| doc777 | The server only has 4 gig of ram so I am not sure what I would be gaining by using the x64. Possibly speed but this machine will only be running webgui. Do you think it would be worth the hassle to go x64? | 00:18 |
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| @Haarg | given the amount of ram and the fact that you would be using 32 binaries as well, it seems unlikely there would be any advantage of going to 64bit. but i don't think it would be a significant hassle either. | 00:19 |
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| doc777 | Thank you Haarg :o) | 00:20 |
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| @preaction | so i need to populate an ldap server with about 1000 users. anyone have suggestions on where i can find 1000 names in a simple format? | 00:44 |
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| @Haarg | just first names? | 00:45 |
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| @preaction | doesn't matter really, it will be for webgui's recursive group thing | 00:45 |
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| @Haarg | http://www.cs.princeton.edu/introcs/data/names.csv | 00:45 |
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| @preaction | perfect, thanks | 00:46 |
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| elnino | lookin gat modperl logs, what does the vague "Expected token not present" supposed to mean? I'm not using cookies, as the forum mentions. | 02:00 |
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| @preaction | someone could be trying to access the site with an improperly formatted wgSession cookie | 02:04 |
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| elnino | oh ok. | 02:06 |
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| elnino | could that be caused by the fact that my site resdes at two domains, and the links all go towards the one of two domains? | 02:14 |
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| perlDreamer1 | no, the cookie contents are bad. | 02:16 |
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| elnino | I don't set cookies. | 02:16 |
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| perlDreamer1 | WebGUI does | 02:16 |
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| perlDreamer1 | for authentication | 02:16 |
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| elnino | so is that a bug? | 02:16 |
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| perlDreamer1 | no | 02:16 |
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| perlDreamer1 | you need to show that WebGUI is setting the cookie badly | 02:16 |
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| perlDreamer1 | and it needs to be repeatable | 02:17 |
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| elnino | I get it in my log file all the time... =) | 02:17 |
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| @preaction | are users reporting problems? | 02:17 |
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| elnino | no. | 02:17 |
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| @preaction | then it's just informational, it means that mod_perl is preventing someone from doing something bad | 02:18 |
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| * elnino wonders when an error is an error then in a log file. =) | 02:19 |
| @preaction | take a 404 for example. could've been someone screwing around. could've been a broken link, but until the user reports there's a problem, we don't know what it is | 02:20 |
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| elnino | yeah, that one is really frustrating in the logs. | 02:21 |
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| elnino | masked urls really mess things up when your user sets them up and they don't tell you. grr. | 02:26 |
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| elnino | there was a wg site setup and then they changed the domain to point to another, so I have tis unused site that can't resolve itself. =( | 02:31 |
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| elnino | hmm. http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/tip_for_running_webgui_on_a_shared_hosting_environment/tip_for_running_webgui_on_a_shared_hosting_environment probably should be taken down. or maybe it's true? | 02:41 |
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| @preaction | it's 5 years old. CGI WebGUI doesn't work anymore | 02:42 |
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| elnino | do I write up a bug or rfe to remove it? | 02:43 |
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| @preaction | you could just reply to it mentioning that it's no longer valid | 02:43 |
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| elnino | ok. but hopefully it doesn't bring attention to it now. | 02:48 |
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| elnino | anyone know who's site is http://www.valuecms.com/ - they used to do webgui hosting? their site is complely hosed | 02:49 |
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| elnino | apparently someone in egypt | 02:52 |
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| perlDreamer1 | Ehab Haikal | 02:53 |
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| perlDreamer1 | I think the last name is spelled correctly | 02:53 |
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| @preaction | elnino: though there is a new way to run WebGUI under CGI, patspam came up with it | 02:58 |
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| @preaction | http://blog.patspam.com/2009/plebgui-webgui-meets-plack | 02:58 |
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| elnino | yahoo for patspam!!!! | 03:02 |
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| +patspam | woo! | 03:02 |
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| +patspam | hey elnino :) | 03:03 |
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| elnino | I just read your post that preaction sent me: http://blog.patspam.com/2009/plebgui-webgui-meets-plack | 03:03 |
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| +patspam | ah! | 03:03 |
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| elnino | yahoo!! I say again! | 03:03 |
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| +patspam | plack is an awesome new development in the perl web world | 03:04 |
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| @preaction | indeed | 03:04 |
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| @preaction | if i have my way wg9 will be completely placked | 03:04 |
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| @preaction | i like when i read a piece of code and can't tell if i wrote it or not because it's properly formatted and follows best practices ;) | 03:06 |
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| perlDreamer1 | thanks ;) | 03:06 |
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| @preaction | you wrote the test DN update from LDAP? | 03:07 |
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| perlDreamer1 | yup | 03:07 |
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| @preaction | ... but how did you know that's what i was looking at? | 03:07 |
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| @preaction | WHERE ARE YOU? | 03:07 |
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| @preaction | IS THE CALL COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE? | 03:07 |
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| perlDreamer1 | well, I really thought you were still looking at the group code | 03:07 |
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| perlDreamer1 | but I've written so much of WebGUI that it's a fair guess | 03:07 |
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| @preaction | true | 03:07 |
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| perlDreamer1 | of course, that also explains all the bugs and poor performance | 03:07 |
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| @preaction | but no, i'm writing a test for this thing | 03:08 |
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| +patspam | heh not way, that's the code that the rest of us write | 03:08 |
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| perlDreamer1 | the original code was from either cap10morgan or mducharme(mducharme-work) | 03:08 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rc0e78ab / lib/WebGUI/User.pm : Check for a valid group before using it. - http://bit.ly/bI3t9c | 03:11 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb6a8a72 / t/Macro.t : Add a few more Macro tests for unquoted arguments, and dangling commas. - http://bit.ly/bKVf8d | 03:11 |
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| perlDreamer1 | Moose is so awesome | 03:12 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rcb5144f / lib/WebGUI/User.pm : Check for a valid group before using it. - http://bit.ly/96lBCP | 03:12 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0171743 / t/Macro.t : Add a few more Macro tests for unquoted arguments, and dangling commas. - http://bit.ly/aJ3tGF | 03:12 |
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| perlDreamer1 | After converting a bunch of assets over to it, I'm reasonably sure that we'll never need to override update | 03:12 |
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| perlDreamer1 | we can do it all with method modifiers | 03:13 |
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| @preaction | word | 03:14 |
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| @preaction | okay, i officially have no idea how LDAP groups work | 03:34 |
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| perlDreamer1 | in WebGUI,or LDAP? | 03:41 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r58944a4 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm : Update Event to use Moose accessors. - http://bit.ly/bA6GnX | 03:45 |
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| @preaction | in LDAP | 03:46 |
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| @preaction | it helps if i knew how to define a group in LDAP | 03:46 |
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| perlDreamer1 | mducharme, mducharme-work: are you around this evening in the flesh, by chance? | 03:47 |
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| @preaction | WTF is the point of an Organizational Unit if it cannot also be a groupOfNames? | 03:48 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r0d8fd28 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm : Fix a typo with extending isHidden. - http://bit.ly/9f8WVa | 03:54 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r76ce6f7 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Calendar.pm : Some fixes for the Calendar. - http://bit.ly/aTC41V | 03:54 |
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| perlDreamer1 | I actually have some Calendar tests passing | 03:54 |
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| perlDreamer1 | son of a gun! | 03:55 |
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| perlDreamer1 | they're all passing! | 03:55 |
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| @preaction | is it the one where ok( WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Calendar->is_rewritten_from_scratch )? | 03:55 |
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| perlDreamer1 | no, like git checkout static_definition; wgd reset -d; wgd reset --config; perl t/Asset/Wobject/Calendar.t | 03:55 |
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| perlDreamer1 | t/Asset/Event.t is passing | 03:56 |
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| perlDreamer1 | and Event/permissions.t | 03:57 |
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| perlDreamer1 | not bad for a few hours work | 03:57 |
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| perlDreamer1 | If I convert Image.pm over, I might be able to start up Apache | 03:59 |
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| @preaction | woot! | 03:59 |
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| perlDreamer1 | booyah! | 03:59 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rb9c4371 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/Image.pm : Convert to Moose and Moose accessors. - http://bit.ly/ar3R1o | 04:12 |
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| @preaction | the #ldap people straightened me out: the test ldap database is organized poorly | 04:12 |
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| perlDreamer1 | do share! | 04:13 |
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| perlDreamer1 | at least update the wiki page that I hacked together | 04:13 |
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| perlDreamer1 | Image.t is passing, except for the funky annotation/rotation/crop stuff | 04:14 |
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| perlDreamer1 | apparently, I need a refresher course in Moose MRO | 04:32 |
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| perlDreamer1 | we cannot, absolutely CANNOT subclass update | 04:32 |
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| perlDreamer1 | otherwise it don't work at all | 04:32 |
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| perlDreamer1 | if we have to, we'll need to use around | 04:32 |
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| perlDreamer1 | Image.t is passing | 04:32 |
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| carogray | Well thanks to you all indirectly I guess. Diona said she found the final tweak to the email a friend or send to a friend feature I have been trying to get work for years from you all last night. | 04:33 |
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| perlDreamer1 | ^Page('title'); | 04:34 |
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| carogray | I have it on MassLegalHelp and it works perfectly so far! | 04:34 |
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| carogray | yep! | 04:34 |
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| perlDreamer1 | That has to be the best WebGUI news I've heard all day | 04:34 |
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| perlDreamer1 | I think I'll go and play tuba to celebrate | 04:35 |
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| carogray | I still need to figure out how to get it into my form and email template I think but I have been working today for hours and mybrain is busted | 04:35 |
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| carogray | Yes I think it's cause for huge celebration! | 04:35 |
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| @preaction | okay, RDN stands for Relative Distinguished Name | 04:42 |
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| @preaction | DN is Distinguished Name, think of it as the record's unique ID | 04:42 |
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| @preaction | everything in the LDAP tree has a DN, and everything except the top level has their parent in their DN | 04:43 |
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| @preaction | so o=shawshank | 04:43 |
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| @preaction | and cn=Warden,o=shawshank | 04:43 |
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| @preaction | for that, my RDN is cn=Warden | 04:43 |
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| @preaction | my DN is cn=Warden,o=shawshank | 04:43 |
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| @preaction | and my parent's DN is o=shawshank | 04:43 |
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| @preaction | SO WHY DOES WEBGUI GIVE A DIFFERENT DEFINITION TO RDN? | 04:43 |
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| @preaction | okay, so I figured out how NORMAL ldap groups work, but wtf is a Recursive Group? | 04:52 |
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| @preaction | okay, so I figured THAT out, but then how is this person's ldap groupings working AT ALL? | 04:59 |
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| mducharme | I'm here | 05:33 |
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| mducharme | what do you mean it gives a different definition to RDN, preaction? | 05:35 |
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| @preaction | in the "User RDN" field, you have to put "dn", always | 05:37 |
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| mducharme | um in current webgui versions there is no User RDN field | 05:40 |
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| mducharme | unless you mean in the user settings themselves | 05:40 |
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| mducharme | as opposed to the ldap config | 05:40 |
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| mducharme | I do not see a User RDN field in the user properties either | 05:41 |
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| mducharme | I do see another problem though | 05:42 |
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| mducharme | two parameters that are different are using the same i18n | 05:42 |
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| mducharme | so one is misnamed | 05:42 |
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| mducharme | a new i18n should be created for the matching field in the user properties | 05:43 |
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| @preaction | ah, it used to be User RDN, now it's Authentication Attribute | 05:43 |
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| @preaction | which should almost always be dn | 05:43 |
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| mducharme | yes | 05:43 |
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| mducharme | I had posted a bunch of i18n changes a while back | 05:44 |
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| mducharme | because things were using bizarre terminology | 05:44 |
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| mducharme | that user RDN was one of those | 05:44 |
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| mducharme | I missed what you are trying to do though, preaction | 05:53 |
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| mducharme | perhaps I can help | 05:53 |
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| @preaction | debugging various LDAP group stuffs | 06:04 |
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| @preaction | writing tests | 06:04 |
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| @preaction | fixing the DIT of the regression LDAP server | 06:04 |
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| mducharme | ahh.. I haven't really needed to futz too much with ldap groups in webgui... use them everywhere else though | 06:11 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:49 |
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| +bartjol | morning | 17:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | good morning, kind and benevolent webgui folk | 17:44 |
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| mducharme-work | morning perldreamer | 18:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | howdy, mducharme-work | 18:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | we had some LDAP questions for you last night, but the nice people of #ldap were able to set us straight | 18:15 |
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| mducharme-work | ok | 18:15 |
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| mducharme-work | cool | 18:15 |
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| mducharme-work | yeah I saw last night there | 18:15 |
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| mducharme-work | btw I found an i18n problem, well not really a problem | 18:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | most i18n related stuff is a bug | 18:16 |
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| mducharme-work | the ldap settings in the user account properties are exactly matching the names in the general ldap settings | 18:16 |
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| mducharme-work | when they are referring to something else and should have a different label | 18:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | didn't we accept an RFE from you to change all of those around, along with your suggested new labels? | 18:16 |
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| mducharme-work | thus the same i18n label is being used for two different settings that should have different i18n's | 18:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah | 18:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | file a bug for it along with recommendations on what they should be | 18:17 |
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| mducharme-work | ok | 18:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | bartjol loves having more translation work to do | 18:17 |
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| +bartjol | he, what? | 18:18 |
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| +bartjol | do I? | 18:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | sure, doesn't SynQ buy you a bier every time the translation hits 100%? | 18:18 |
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| +bartjol | nope | 18:18 |
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| +bartjol | he might pay my salary | 18:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's good, too | 18:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | boats, bier and tile all require salary | 18:19 |
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| mducharme-work | boy it is sure slow... | 18:24 |
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| mducharme-work | oh there we go | 18:25 |
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| mducharme-work | http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11395 | 18:25 |
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| +bartjol | well, that was intensive work: 1 entry | 18:25 |
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| +bartjol | no bugs though | 18:25 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: translation * r12436 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/WebGUIProfile.pm: Updating Dutch on translation server | 18:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm, it's also time to update the copyrights | 18:52 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * rd7767e0 / lib/WebGUI/Macro.pm : faster macro processor using perl 5.10 features - http://bit.ly/96cO4v | 21:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, how much faster is it? | 22:45 |
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| @Haarg | i don't know. benchmarked it a long time ago. | 22:45 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r2f8aff5 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm : Remove deprecated code, overriding update in Template.pm - http://bit.ly/ch7RPN | 22:52 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r5203c35 / t/Asset/Template.t : Remove test for headBlock handling. - http://bit.ly/cgHli1 | 22:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | In WebGUI 8, all forms are supposed to be automatically built | 23:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | and we have flags to say things like, don't ever build this one particular form field | 23:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | but how do you handle putting extra fields into the edit form that are not supposed to processed by the back end? | 23:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | fields like "What next?" | 23:06 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rd3e2970 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Folder.pm : Fix Folder sortOrder to be moosey. Convert to using Moose accessors. - http://bit.ly/cGB0VK | 23:07 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: depends on how Graham solves the www_editSave problem | 23:14 |
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| @preaction | also, what next sucks | 23:14 |
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| @preaction | i hate it | 23:14 |
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| @preaction | i want it to die | 23:14 |
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| * perlDreamer is tempted to play the backwards compatibility card, but I hate that one. | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | do we have two buttons then? | 23:14 |
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| @preaction | that's what WG8 is for, yay! | 23:15 |
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| @preaction | where is your what next thing? | 23:15 |
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| @preaction | and most likely yes | 23:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | In the Folder | 23:15 |
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| @preaction | oh | 23:15 |
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| @preaction | uh... | 23:15 |
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| @preaction | yeah | 23:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | also, in the DataForm | 23:15 |
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| @preaction | "Save and Add More" | 23:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | and in the Product | 23:15 |
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| @preaction | DataForm might be different, it depends on what the What's Next is being used for | 23:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | Add another field | 23:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | Add another tab | 23:15 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r86dd8ab / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm : Lots of syntax fixes, and convert to Moose accessors. - http://bit.ly/bJVHg2 | 23:27 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rb02df9f / lib/WebGUI/AssetPackage.pm : Fix importing packages. - http://bit.ly/bcEKVN | 23:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | wgd reset -d now does much more useful work in static_definition | 23:35 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r129186c / lib/WebGUI/Content/Asset.pm : Update Content/Asset for Moose and Exceptions. - http://bit.ly/abPobU | 23:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | we really don't have enough tests | 23:37 |
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| dionak | is Moose a new requirement of WG? | 23:44 |
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| dionak | I guess yes? | 23:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | it will be for wG8, dionak | 23:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | for now all is safe | 23:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | speaking of which, Haarg, preaction, will the FormBuilder branch be moved to Moose? | 23:45 |
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| dionak | for now? :) | 23:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, eventually we will release webgui 8 and Moose will be de rigeur | 23:46 |
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| dionak | i'll be expecting Moose jokes at the next WUC. | 23:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | Gooey will have large antlers this year | 23:48 |
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| dionak | haha! | 23:48 |
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| dionak | that'll make him top-heavy | 23:48 |
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| dionak | he'll have to start working out | 23:48 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: my local FormBuilder branch is moosified i believe. it's just been a while since i worked on anything | 23:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | the static_definition branch is also Moosey | 23:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think it's time to update testEnvironment.pl | 23:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | Also, tomorrow I want to grab both you and Haarg and do the long overdue merging | 23:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | I can type git merge master, but I don't think that's really what I want | 23:53 |
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| @Haarg | that's basically what is needed, but there will be a fair amount of conflict resolution to do | 23:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have children and a wife. I am an expert at conflict resolution. | 23:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | uh oh, I hope I didn't offend her with that | 23:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | be back in 30-ish | 00:02 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r019ebba / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm : Remove update override sub, and use the new Asset triggers instead. - http://bit.ly/94qBlb | 00:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | we have successful upgrade scripts in wg8 now | 01:13 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r6702f07 / (2 files): Fix upgrade scripts to work with wg8. - http://bit.ly/95t2VB | 01:13 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * ra9f46c7 / lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm : More wg8 constructors in AssetVersioning. - http://bit.ly/9BL9s7 | 01:32 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r722bad7 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Layout.pm : Change to moose methods. Need to be on the lookout for getValue calls. - http://bit.ly/bpR6cE | 01:38 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * racff13a / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SyndicatedContent.pm : SyndicatedContent moved over to wg8. - http://bit.ly/aBhr99 | 01:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | this is a great read: http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2010/02/a-perl-programming-maintenance-checklist.html | 02:03 |
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| @preaction | Spreadsheet::WriteExcel is pretty nice | 02:46 |
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| @preaction | Vrby wanted a report for TGC, and I give him an already-populated excel spreadsheet | 02:48 |
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| @preaction | next i hope to add the formulas and stuff that he'd inevitably add himself | 02:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | cool! I hear they just added graphs | 02:59 |
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| carogray | Hi all | 16:24 |
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| +bartjol | hi carogray | 16:24 |
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| carogray | doing many things at once, but...is it possible to "run" not sure this is what I want to do, an xml file on PlainBlack server? | 16:25 |
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| carogray | There is this software called A2J which produces a kind of interview | 16:26 |
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| carogray | it wouldn't be in the frame of our website... I don't think.., also it uses Flash and may only work with IE, however it would be very helpful if we could upload an xml file to PlainBlack server and then have it email us | 16:27 |
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| carogray | or allow people to email us or... | 16:27 |
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| carogray | feed the information to a "behind the scenes" data form and email us. | 16:27 |
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| carogray | All I know is that the interview is an xml file. | 16:27 |
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| +bartjol | well, I don't know how far they host applications next to wg | 16:27 |
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| carogray | how far? | 16:28 |
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| carogray | is xml an application? | 16:28 |
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| +bartjol | I mean, whether they host anything besides webgui, or only plug ins | 16:28 |
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| +bartjol | no | 16:28 |
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| carogray | mmmm | 16:28 |
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| +bartjol | but the stuffs which seems to make it is | 16:28 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:28 |
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| +bartjol | morning Scott | 16:29 |
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| carogray | so if it were just a file, like a jpg, or pdf - is xml that kind of file? | 16:29 |
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| +bartjol | more html like, but just a file anyways, so yes | 16:30 |
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| carogray | I will need to find out more about this - thanks. | 16:30 |
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| +bartjol | yeah, but you can upload files and make them group acessible | 16:31 |
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| carogray | you mean View by "everyone"? | 16:31 |
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| +bartjol | can't you use a dataform | 16:31 |
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| carogray | data form is just a form, this is a really neat little application with audio and sometimes even video where an avatar asks you questions and takes you down the path to justice... | 16:32 |
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| +bartjol | depends on who you want able to see: | 16:32 |
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| +bartjol | a the form | 16:32 |
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| +bartjol | b the results | 16:32 |
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| carogray | neither | 16:32 |
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| carogray | it uses flash | 16:32 |
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| +bartjol | aah | 16:32 |
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| +bartjol | almost like a game | 16:32 |
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| carogray | yes, I guess probably, maybe | 16:32 |
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| carogray | but I have been told it is just an xml file | 16:33 |
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| +bartjol | in wwhich I prolly will get stuck in prison 23 lifetimes | 16:33 |
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| +bartjol | well, but the results of choices can be quite simple | 16:34 |
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| +bartjol | I can see that | 16:34 |
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| carogray | not that kind of info - we only do civil law, so you would be evicted 23 million times, or divorced 23 million times, or have to pay 23 million in child support | 16:34 |
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| +bartjol | ah, the joys of justice | 16:34 |
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| carogray | if I programmed it wrong. | 16:34 |
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| +bartjol | :) | 16:34 |
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| carogray | ok...gotta go learn more about this..ta | 16:34 |
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| +bartjol | hey it's conservative boy (a reincarnation of a superhero) | 17:10 |
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| ckotil | is there macro to show page hits? like a counter | 18:27 |
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| ckotil | http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/page_views_macro3 should do the trick. sql asset with Page macro. | 18:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | ckotil, you could use Asset metadata and AOIHits macro to do that, but it's not the best solution | 18:35 |
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| ckotil | my passiveProfileAOI table is empty | 18:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | I believe passive profiling has to be enabled, because it incurs a performance penalty | 18:58 |
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| ckotil | any other ways to do this? | 19:00 |
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| ckotil | also where do you enable passive profiling? | 19:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | In the settings | 19:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm... other ways | 19:02 |
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| ckotil | passive profiling must not be in myu version 7.6.35 | 19:04 |
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| ckotil | ah found it. in user tab | 19:05 |
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| ckotil | getting data in passiveProfileLog, but not passiveProfileAOI | 19:08 |
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| ckotil | ok got data in it by running the appropriate workflow activity | 19:14 |
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| ckotil | that was a big drain on the server tho. and only 14 assets were summarized | 19:15 |
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| ckotil | the data doesnt look useful. count's are off by a lot, and the values listed are one my profile content fields. | 19:17 |
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| elnino | ok. I'm typing with ne hand here. bear with me =) | 23:23 |
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| elnino | I have a custom product with variant that I pretty much took from produvt.pm | 23:24 |
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| elnino | in my template, Im calling out the addVariant_url variable. | 23:24 |
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| elnino | when looking at the product.pm code, it is set only when canEdit is true | 23:25 |
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| elnino | in the template, there is no conditional other than ifd admin is on. | 23:26 |
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| elnino | there is a template variable called canEdit availbale, but it isn't used. | 23:26 |
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| elnino | so I find that a bit interesting. perhaps the template fgroup knows of this... anyway | 23:27 |
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| elnino | in my custom product, the addVariant variable osn't being set =( | 23:28 |
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| elnino | and I can't figure out why. | 23:28 |
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| elnino | admin is obviously turned on, and Im editing the product all the time. | 23:28 |
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| elnino | I have not overridden the canEdit function, or variable. | 23:29 |
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| elnino | I obviously did some bad pasting somewhere. =( | 23:30 |
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| elnino | I used sku as the base, which is based on asset, so that should be fine. | 23:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino, perhaps a little pasting? | 23:34 |
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| elnino | =) | 23:34 |
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| * perlDreamer will be back in a little bit and will backlog | 23:35 |
| elnino | everything else works in my template, but Im stuck at the fact that "canEdit is false".. I'll remove that condittional for now. | 23:36 |
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| cmiller | Hi. I have a question about setting up a database link in WebGUI. On my Debian server, I can connect to an MS SQL database using Perl DBI->connect('DBI:ODBC:DEBIAN','user','password'); and do("use Northwind"); | 23:48 |
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| cmiller | However, I cannot figure out what the DSN should be inside the WebGUI database link. Any suggestions? | 23:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | cmiller, iirc, it takes a standard DBI DSN in the Database link | 23:53 |
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| cmiller | I've tried dbi:ODBC:DEBIAN, and that doesn't work | 23:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | cmiller: I googled, and found this: http://www.easysoft.com/developer/languages/perl/sql_server_unix_tutorial.html | 00:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | not sure why you're using dbi:ODBC:DEBIAN, unless the name of the perl module is somehow different on your OS | 00:05 |
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| * perlDreamer has to run some errands | 00:06 |
| cmiller | DEBIAN is the name of the datasource in the odbc.ini fille | 00:06 |
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| cmiller | *file | 00:06 |
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| cmiller | translates to myserver.home.com port 1433 | 00:07 |
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| cmiller | works great from Perl, but I can't get it to work in WebGUI | 00:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | time for caffeine! | 01:20 |
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| SynQ | booh! | 01:29 |
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| SynQ | I'm alive | 01:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ! | 01:29 |
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| SynQ | perlDreamer! | 01:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | you great beastie | 01:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | how you doing? | 01:29 |
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| SynQ | busy | 01:29 |
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| SynQ | very very busy | 01:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | Must be. How's is The Netherlands most beautiful little girl? | 01:29 |
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| SynQ | she is now 1 year and 4 days | 01:29 |
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| SynQ | and she is doing great | 01:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | Awesome | 01:30 |
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| SynQ | we are celabrating her birthday this weekend | 01:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | is she getting a little brother for her birthday? | 01:30 |
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| SynQ | first steps are being taken | 01:30 |
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| SynQ | I wish :) | 01:30 |
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| SynQ | I hope I get my new car for my own birthday | 01:31 |
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| SynQ | JT will be pleased with me | 01:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | What are you buying? | 01:31 |
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| SynQ | you have three guesses, but I'll give you a few hits | 01:31 |
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| SynQ | HSD, pearl white, Brake problem :) | 01:32 |
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| * perlDreamer knows little to nothing about cars because they do not use perl | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | You are buying a Prius | 01:32 |
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| SynQ | hehe | 01:32 |
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| elnino | lol | 01:32 |
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| SynQ | you guessed right in one go! | 01:32 |
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| SynQ | and yes it's "pearl white" | 01:32 |
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| SynQ | I already typed it wrong a few times | 01:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, the break problem was a dead giveaway | 01:33 |
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| SynQ | I'm sorry | 01:33 |
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| SynQ | I hope it won't delay the delivery | 01:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | WebGUI 8 lives! | 01:40 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rd1572c4 / (5 files in 4 dirs): Make sure that all builder methods that use session sare set to be lazy. - http://bit.ly/cJo3iB | 01:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | with that commit, you can actually fire it up and see a page | 01:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | you probably can't do much beyond that, but it's a big step | 01:41 |
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| SynQ | ah | 01:58 |
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| SynQ | just in time! | 01:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | he is psychic | 01:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | the news about WebGUI resonated through the ether, and drew him in from his remote location | 01:58 |
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| +patspam | news? | 01:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | WebGUI 8 can show pages | 01:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's a good time to step back and look at overall status | 02:02 |
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| elnino | I'm creating a product similar to product, can I just use product.pm as the base? or do I have to use sku.pm? | 07:19 |
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| @preaction | you can use product as a base just fine | 07:20 |
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| elnino | ok. | 07:20 |
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| elnino | thx | 07:21 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 16:04 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:28 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbb26647 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject.pm): Remove code that sets the synopsis inside Wobject/www_view, since it is also done in processStyle. - http://bit.ly/aKTr4R | 18:51 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rae8c1a6 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Set cache control to "none" if the DataForm uses a captcha. Fixes bug #11381. - http://bit.ly/a7OgUp | 00:44 |
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| @preaction | does it? does it really? | 00:44 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r420de27 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Set cache control to "none" if the DataForm uses a captcha. Fixes bug #11381. - http://bit.ly/ck5wVP | 00:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | of course if does, preaction | 00:45 |
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| @preaction | ARE YOU SURE? | 00:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:45 |
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| @preaction | oh | 00:45 |
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| @preaction | but are you SURE that you're sure? | 00:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, painfully so | 00:45 |
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| @preaction | can I fire people after they're already fired? | 00:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | Let me put it this way, I'm equally as sure that the Code Editor will be fixed by release tomorrow evening. | 00:46 |
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| @preaction | uh... you decided to fix it yourself? | 00:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | No, the guy who wrote it told me that it would be done by tomorrow. | 00:47 |
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| @preaction | Dav Glass? wow, you ARE connected | 00:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | and since that is off your back, I thought I'd give you the two Map bugs, too | 00:47 |
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| @preaction | aww, you're sweet | 00:49 |
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| @preaction | too bad i'm busy writing a feature that should have taken 3 hours, and has so far taken 3 days | 00:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | why don't you let me do it, and you can do Dav a big one | 00:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | and then we'll all be happy :) | 00:50 |
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| @preaction | because it would take you the same amount of time: i'm adding some extra logging to TGC so we can reconcile the click count on the printer | 00:51 |
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| @preaction | apparently about 400 sheets of 11x17 paper are missing | 00:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | odd | 00:51 |
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| @preaction | but since this is the most convoluted code i've seen since Frank started working on the alumni project, it's slow going | 00:51 |
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| @preaction | i was going to rewrite it, but i was overruled | 00:52 |
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| @preaction | i swear to god i am going to start this whole project from scratch, that's how much it's pissing me off... | 00:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | they'll just overrule you again | 00:53 |
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| * perlDreamer is very fatalistic today | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry for being a downer | 00:53 |
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| @preaction | oh, that's only if i tell them what i'm doing | 00:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | don't you think they'll notice when the site starts working faster and better? | 00:55 |
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| @preaction | no. people don't care | 00:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | in that case, want some help? :) | 00:58 |
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| @preaction | sure, first we need to procure a few pounds of enriched uranium | 01:01 |
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| @preaction | then, an orbital launch platform | 01:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | ooh! ooh! And an git repository? | 01:03 |
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| @preaction | if that helps me build the nuke and launch it, sure | 01:03 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2d8f07f / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth/WebGUI.pm): Fix illegal HTML from the Auth plugin. It was making LI's with no UL's. Fixes bug #11392 - http://bit.ly/bo65Eu | 01:12 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7470a15 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth/WebGUI.pm): Fix illegal HTML from the Auth plugin. It was making LI's with no UL's. Fixes bug #11392 - http://bit.ly/as26ny | 01:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | mducharme, mducharme-work: are you around? | 01:20 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf24963b / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed the label in Operation/User:www_editUser, generated by editUserForm in LDAP.pm. Fixes bug #11395. - http://bit.ly/dfHtDs | 01:26 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5c1ec13 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed the label in Operation/User:www_editUser, generated by editUserForm in LDAP.pm. Fixes bug #11395. - http://bit.ly/cjeCdI | 01:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | too late | 01:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | man, there are indeed too many zeroes in the cache clearing workflows | 01:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | this is not equal to 100 MB: 1000000000 | 01:34 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra78f067 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a number typo in the Cache cleanup workflow activities. Fixes bug #11396. - http://bit.ly/cGiC6k | 01:41 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2f69054 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a number typo in the Cache cleanup workflow activities. Fixes bug #11396. - http://bit.ly/cwzH8G | 01:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, I'll fix the map bugs, but I'd like a consult on this bug: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11393 | 01:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | the view point template is not supposed to have a save button, is it? | 01:58 |
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| @preaction | i can't see why it would need one | 01:58 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r4f4e0dd / t/Auth/LDAP.t : fixed LDAP tests for LDAP best practices - http://bit.ly/9yfVWx | 03:40 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r8638185 / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fix #11349: Code Editor returns \n for blank content - http://bit.ly/bM9e5n | 03:40 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rc16809a / t/Auth/LDAP.t : fixed LDAP tests for LDAP best practices - http://bit.ly/awmYIT | 03:40 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Doug Bell master * re9fdab2 / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fix #11349: Code Editor returns \n for blank content - http://bit.ly/bdE26p | 03:40 |
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| @preaction | yay! 1 down, 2 to go | 03:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | dude! you did it! | 03:45 |
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| elnino | working hard again I see. Go preaction! | 03:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | he works hard all the time, just not so often on the bugs that I nag him about | 03:46 |
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| elnino | = | 03:46 |
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| elnino | 0) | 03:46 |
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| elnino | good grief. That's supposed to be =) | 03:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | we trust you, elnino | 03:52 |
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| @preaction | i wouldn't | 03:52 |
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| @preaction | it comes once every 7 years and screws up our weather | 03:52 |
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| @preaction | it's unpredictable, you never know when it next will hit | 03:52 |
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| elnino | what?? | 03:53 |
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| elnino | are you talking about our snow we are giving you? It's beautiful, isn't it? | 03:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | we would take some, if there's too much | 03:54 |
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| @preaction | i'll take that 55 and sunny if you don't mind | 03:55 |
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| elnino | there's enough to share, to be sure. | 03:57 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r32223e6 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Add website and synopsis fields to the View Point template for the Map. Addresses bug #11393. - http://bit.ly/dC0iRA | 04:53 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r531a2f6 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Add website and synopsis fields to the View Point template for the Map. Addresses bug #11393. - http://bit.ly/dvyynY | 04:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: any ideas what to do about the double version tag problem with specific versions of IE8 on XP? | 04:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't see where this is anything other than an IE specific bug | 04:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I can't duplicate with my IE8 on XP | 04:56 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: link me! | 06:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11336 | 06:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | I figured you kept up to date with Ye Olde Bugge Listo | 06:17 |
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| @preaction | could it be a manifestation of the dataform bug that webgui.org has? | 06:19 |
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| @preaction | does it happen with just his IE8 or with everyone's IE8? | 06:20 |
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| @preaction | it might be site-specific | 06:20 |
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| @preaction | we might have to keep it open, but it doesn't have to block a stable release | 06:22 |
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| @preaction | we need an "Unable to Reproduce" status | 06:22 |
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| @preaction | which reminds me, perlDreamer how goes the WG8 stuff? | 06:23 |
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| elnino | isn't there a setting somewhere that the urls do not use the uploads directory? or something....? | 06:33 |
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| @preaction | enableStreamingUploads maybe? | 06:34 |
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| @preaction | bad idea, btw | 06:34 |
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| elnino | I know.. I just need to scrape the site, and make it html, and right now, I'm getting a gabillian directorys in the uploads subdirectory. | 06:35 |
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| elnino | then the site comes down. | 06:35 |
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| @preaction | why scrape? why not export? | 06:35 |
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| elnino | because the export didn't work as I thought it would. | 06:35 |
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| elnino | It did weird things. | 06:36 |
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| @preaction | what kind of weird things? | 06:36 |
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| elnino | I knew you were going to ask... | 06:36 |
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| elnino | lol | 06:36 |
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| elnino | I don't remember. I just remember it definately ddint' give me what I thought it would do. sorry. | 06:36 |
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| elnino | these people want to have the site all static html | 06:36 |
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| elnino | and scraping was the only thing that I knew what to do | 06:37 |
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| elnino | to give me a directory of files that would simply unzip nicely. | 06:37 |
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| elnino | I think the export was missing images, and didn't export everything. or something. | 06:37 |
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| elnino | I can try it again if you want. it won't take long, it's a small site. | 06:38 |
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| @preaction | i believe there are options in the export for uploads directory thing | 06:38 |
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| @preaction | but i don't remember | 06:38 |
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| elnino | let me finish this first though. | 06:38 |
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| elnino | ok. I'll look. | 06:38 |
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| @preaction | and you're right, it's really only useful to those who already know what to do | 06:38 |
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| elnino | hmm. the enableStreamingUploads doesn't work in the gallery? | 06:43 |
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| elnino | I restarted modperl and modproxy. am I supposed to do spectre too? | 06:43 |
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| @preaction | ah, no, it doesn't work in the Gallery | 06:44 |
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| elnino | ga!! | 06:44 |
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| elnino | bug or rfe? | 06:44 |
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| elnino | =) | 06:44 |
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| @preaction | because the photo's URL does not bring you to the photo | 06:44 |
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| @preaction | neither | 06:44 |
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| @preaction | it never will | 06:44 |
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| @preaction | the photo's URL is for the page with the photo's details | 06:44 |
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| @preaction | enableStreamingUploads is for File and Image assets | 06:45 |
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| elnino | alright, I guess I'll adjust the gallery template. thanks | 06:45 |
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| elnino | THEN I'll do the export thingy | 06:45 |
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| elnino | =) | 06:45 |
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| @preaction | uh... adjust it to do what? | 06:46 |
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| elnino | not link to the real photo. | 06:46 |
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| elnino | I'll just make the thumbnail bigger. =) | 06:46 |
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| elnino | or | 06:46 |
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| elnino | I suppose that's in the uplaods too. | 06:46 |
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| @preaction | yep | 06:46 |
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| elnino | well, I'll cut the number down in half then. =) | 06:47 |
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| @preaction | what's wrong with the uploads urls? | 06:47 |
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| @preaction | symlink uploads <- that's the property in the export i think | 06:47 |
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| @preaction | I think all you need to do is: tar zcf mysite.tar.gz ExportDir /data/domains/.../uploads /data/WebGUI/extras <- | 06:48 |
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| @preaction | wait, that won't work right, but you get the idea: you need to include the uploads dir in the tarball | 06:48 |
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| @preaction | and extras for that matter | 06:48 |
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| elnino | nothings wrong with it, its just overwhelming to see the large directory, and if they decide to moify the html themselves, they won't know where to go. | 06:48 |
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| elnino | oh. yeah, that's what I did too for the exporting, but at this moment, I'm still scraping. | 06:49 |
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| elnino | OH. I see. I'm slow. | 06:54 |
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| elnino | uploads directory will have to be acceptable. | 06:55 |
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| elnino | ok. so I'll try to export it for you. | 06:56 |
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| elnino | hmm. | 07:04 |
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| elnino | so.. I exported it. using the symlink option. | 07:05 |
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| elnino | hold on. | 07:07 |
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| elnino | ok. | 07:16 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r1e7a661 / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fixed #11322: Code Editor Broken - http://bit.ly/cW2u5k | 07:16 |
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| elnino | so export didn't get my style sheets or sifr files | 07:16 |
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| elnino | I do remember having an issue with images, being saved as .jpg.jpeg | 07:16 |
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| elnino | but it doesn't appear to have happened this time around. | 07:17 |
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| @preaction | did you do the export while you were at the root of the site? | 07:17 |
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| elnino | root? no, home | 07:17 |
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| elnino | \/home | 07:17 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rd31be40 / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fixed #11322: Code Editor Broken - http://bit.ly/a5AO8t | 07:17 |
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| elnino | and home and all descendents are exportable. | 07:18 |
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| @preaction | if you're at home, it won't get the import node | 07:18 |
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| @preaction | if your stylesheets or sifr files are in the import node, they won't get exported | 07:18 |
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| elnino | I figured it traversed the html | 07:18 |
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| elnino | but that would explain why it's fast. | 07:18 |
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| elnino | it doesnt. =) | 07:18 |
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| @preaction | nope, i want the "Template Attachments" thing to be able to do the right thing, but it hasn't been developed yet | 07:18 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: could you do me a solid and test the code editor in the latest commit? make sure it works and make sure you can paste large blocks of text in IE7? i can't seem to reproduce the last bug | 07:19 |
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| elnino | k. I'll try this again. the other thing is that if I have to tarball the entire uploads, I get old revisions, which I don't need. is there a way to "delete" all old revisions? | 07:20 |
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| @preaction | that would be a good RFE: export only the necessary parts of the uploads directory | 07:20 |
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| @preaction | a better RFE: make new storage locations only when necessary, and delete only when no links to them exist | 07:21 |
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| elnino | well , there is a wrokflow that deletes them once in a while. | 07:21 |
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| @preaction | an even better RFE: Rewrite all of WebGUI to do exactly what I want it to do, which is the RIGHT THING | 07:21 |
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| elnino | I=me or I = you? | 07:22 |
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| @preaction | yeah, but you don't want to modify that workflow to delete them all, and that would be the only way | 07:22 |
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| elnino | =) | 07:22 |
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| @preaction | I = me | 07:22 |
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| * preaction has been feeling rather frustrated as of late | 07:22 |
| elnino | sorry. | 07:22 |
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| elnino | webgui is VERY cool You're doing good work! | 07:22 |
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| @preaction | i could rant for hours about how much suck needs to be fixed ;-) | 07:24 |
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| elnino | oh dear... I did an export from root, now it's giving me EVERYTHING. | 07:24 |
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| @preaction | yep | 07:24 |
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| elnino | lol . I'll scrape. | 07:24 |
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| @preaction | the US Embassys (who funded the export stuff) tend to keep all their necessary stuff in a special folder in root | 07:25 |
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| @preaction | you can also cherry pick each folder you need to export | 07:25 |
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| @preaction | (it doesn't have to be exported all at once) | 07:25 |
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| elnino | too much work. =) | 07:27 |
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| elnino | I got what I need. =) I'm going to bed early now... have a good night! nice chatting. | 07:27 |
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| elnino | hmmm. I find this interesting. my scrape included a bunch of YUI and tinymce files. I wonder if it knew I was still logged in. maby I should do the wget insead. | 07:37 |
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| elnino | since I'm up. Has there been discussion about chaning webgui's name by anychance? | 07:37 |
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| @preaction | not recently, why? | 07:38 |
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| elnino | well. I have a google alert thing going, and all I get is hits on Visual WebGUi and not plainblack's webgui. very frustrating. I suspect it makes pb's marketing efforts difficult. | 07:39 |
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| @preaction | i imagine it does, but there's been no talk that i know of | 07:41 |
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| @preaction | JT's got some personal projects going, but that's about it | 07:41 |
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| elnino | it's a drastic change. obviously not one to take lightly. | 07:41 |
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| elnino | I was just wondering... ok. going to sleep now. gnite | 07:42 |
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| @preaction | well, considering i want to drastically change the internals of WebGUI, it would make sense to use the time to change the name | 07:42 |
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| elnino | =) | 07:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: will test the new editor tomorrow, and generate a wg8 status sheet. | 08:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, folks | 18:45 |
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| @Haarg | morning | 18:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: I'm reinstalling IE7 to test that HTML pasting issue | 18:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | and then I'll be publishing an wg8 status document | 18:51 |
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| @Haarg | i have ie7 right now if you need something tested | 18:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, this bug: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11285 | 18:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | you'll need the "reallyLongLine" file, and it has to be done on XP | 18:52 |
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| @Haarg | hmm | 18:57 |
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| @Haarg | that reveals another problem | 18:58 |
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| @Haarg | if you open the reallyLongLine file in IE it renders the html | 18:58 |
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| @Haarg | in what way does that sample line get changed? | 19:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll try to paste the modified output back to the bug | 19:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | bummer, I thought we'd be all done | 19:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's the last link, instead of http://www.vetmed.__whatever, it's Homehttp://www.vetmed..... | 19:08 |
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| @Haarg | for some of the other links too | 19:09 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r0f7facd / asset_status.ods : Add a spreadsheet showing which assets have been coverted to Moose, and if and how they have been tested. - http://bit.ly/aREpNT | 20:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, do you also have an IE8 installed? | 20:58 |
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| ckotil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gA16Fq4SAo&sns=em | 21:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | what's that all about, ckotil? | 21:19 |
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| ckotil | daniel tosh gets his hands on an ipad | 21:21 |
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| ckotil | its sfw | 21:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | I know, but why did he smash it with a golf club? I don't get the joke. | 21:30 |
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| ckotil | that's this guys comedy. | 21:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, next time he thinks about being funny, have him give me the iPad, and I'll get him a nice cheap replica. | 21:47 |
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| ckotil | right | 21:56 |
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| ckotil | how hard would it be to create a macro based on assetProxy but also have it accept parameters so that you can tweak the asset you are proxying in? | 22:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | what kind of parameters? | 22:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | what you're talking about sounds a lot like a shortcut, with overrides | 22:04 |
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| ckotil | i wanna proxy a nav asset but change the start URL | 22:06 |
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| ckotil | :) | 22:06 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfb3211a / (3 files in 3 dirs): IE8 on XP demands that onclick actions return false, otherwise it submits the form twice. Fixes bug #11336. - http://bit.ly/bDz8rr | 22:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's the very height of laziness. You really _are_ a perl hacker. | 22:07 |
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| ckotil | If I could somehow dynamically set the start uRL for a nav asset via a template variable Id be all set. | 22:08 |
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| ckotil | heh | 22:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | and the relative starting URLs won't do the same thing? | 22:10 |
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| ckotil | no because waht I have in mind cannot use the URL of the page the asset resides on | 22:11 |
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| ckotil | this is more brainstorming for crumb trails in search results. | 22:11 |
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| ckotil | i know it's costly, but I gotta see just how costly | 22:11 |
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| elnino | I'm reading http://www.webgui.org/admin/wiki/one-webgui-multiple-sites, If I have domain1.com and domain2.com, that's all the user will see, right? I don't want them to be redirected to http://domain1.com/domain2 | 22:24 |
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| ckotil | im currently doing this. and if a user goes to domain2.com that's all they will see. | 22:31 |
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| ckotil | now, depending on how you organize your site, domain1.com/domain2 will go to the same place as domain2.com/domain2 | 22:32 |
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| ckotil | but with enough fancy mod_rewriting you can keep domain1.com and domain2.com entirely separated. | 22:32 |
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| elnino | yep, I want "totally separateedd" with the exception of the db. | 22:33 |
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| elnino | Thanks ckotil | 22:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino, what's wrong with having two different virtual hosts? | 22:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | or do you want a single-sign on kind of deal? | 22:33 |
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| ckotil | I have separate virtual hosts for each domain | 22:34 |
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| elnino | we're implementing parked pages - so they will allhave one page. | 22:34 |
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| ckotil | domain/hostname | 22:34 |
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| elnino | kinda over kill for one page sites. | 22:34 |
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| elnino | or am I misunderstanding virtual hosts? | 22:34 |
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| ckotil | since I have unique domain/hostnames for each site I give them each their own virtual host. They also have unique IP's so I can do ssl | 22:35 |
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| elnino | perlDreamer, virtual hosts = separate wg db. right? | 22:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | yup | 22:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | but if it's only 1 page per site, it's overkill like ckotil said | 22:37 |
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| elnino | so I *think* a single database for all these parked pages makes sense? feel free to talk me out of it. | 22:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, I agree completely | 22:37 |
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| elnino | ok. good. =) I like when people agree with me. lol | 22:37 |
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| @preaction | i think in 7.9 we should change the default configuration of the Rich Text Editors to be better: Add the Paste From Word button, use Inline Popups, Allow Media by default, and maybe more | 23:00 |
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| elnino | YES | 23:00 |
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| @preaction | ooh, the cut/copy/paste/paste as plain text/undo/redo would be nice | 23:00 |
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| elnino | YES | 23:00 |
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| elnino | my client LOVES pasting from msword, its unbelieveably messy | 23:00 |
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| ckotil | add file assets from within the rich editor | 23:00 |
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| @preaction | i'd do it right now, but people might get pissed off | 23:00 |
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| @preaction | ckotil: that would require code, not just clicking checkboxes in the rich editor's configuration | 23:01 |
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| elnino | didn't know it did that. | 23:01 |
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| ckotil | :0 i had to try | 23:01 |
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| @preaction | go to content_managers_rich_edit?func=edit <- on your site | 23:01 |
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| elnino | how is that different than attachments? ckotil | 23:01 |
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| @preaction | elnino: attachments can't be placed, and are not assets | 23:01 |
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| @preaction | the attachment / file asset system on webgui sucks for content management | 23:01 |
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| elnino | oh I see. =) | 23:02 |
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| elnino | yes. | 23:02 |
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| ckotil | with assets you get version tracking, a reusable URL, and a lot more benefits | 23:02 |
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| @preaction | i'm writing a lengthy reply to a user about this exact topic | 23:02 |
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| ckotil | preaction: i think its me :) | 23:02 |
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| @preaction | probably | 23:02 |
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| elnino | brb | 23:02 |
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| ckotil | my users have been grilling me with questions, and some of them I cannot faithfully answer. bc my understanding of webgui is limited. | 23:03 |
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| @preaction | no worries, i understand. and i share your pain | 23:03 |
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| @preaction | i tried to start a blog a few months back, using webgui, and i was quickly frustrated at how impossibly difficult basic content management really is in webgui | 23:04 |
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| ckotil | yeah, its a beast, and hyou really need to understand a majority of the system before you can really use it. | 23:05 |
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| @preaction | yeah | 23:05 |
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| ckotil | unfortunately my users are only using a small portion of it, so they have no desire to actually learn it | 23:05 |
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| @preaction | some people say the barrier to install is the biggest hurdle webgui faces. i say the convoluted way to perform basic, everyday tasks is | 23:05 |
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| ckotil | ive managed to make a lot of the tasks simpler. by leveragine the template system. ive added urls to add article/layouts/files. hover help boxes, little things like that. | 23:06 |
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| ckotil | but i ive still failed. need to go back and rethink some things. | 23:06 |
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| ckotil | tho the doc system does have a lot of content. which is inspiring. people are using the system. | 23:07 |
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| @preaction | you could leverage some JS to make adding images to articles/pages a lot easier. | 23:07 |
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| @preaction | though you might have to hack the button in (or make your users use a bookmarklet) | 23:08 |
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| ckotil | use JS to inline adding file assets to the article/layouts? | 23:08 |
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| @preaction | essentially, and then the files can be in whatever place you want, but still be included as a macro in the currently-open rich editor | 23:09 |
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| @preaction | we want to move from TinyMCE to YUI's Editor, as it is easier to write these kinds of plugins and it's fewer dependencies, but we just haven't done the work yet | 23:09 |
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| @preaction | once we do, i want to completely overhaul the attachment system, and actually use the "Media" folder for something: attachments as assets under the Media/Attachments/<assetId> folder | 23:10 |
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| @preaction | then a tab next to the rich editor to show "Attachments for this asset" or "Search all attachments for all assets" | 23:10 |
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| ckotil | why not ditch attachments all together and just have them as file assets? | 23:11 |
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| @preaction | or just even "Search" to search for whatever kind of Image / File you want | 23:11 |
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| @preaction | they will be file assets, they'll just be called attachments (attachments being a user-friendly label) | 23:11 |
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| ckotil | in our environment we keep all file assets in a specific location for each website. the file-bin | 23:11 |
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| @preaction | to the user, it will seem that when they open a rich editor to edit an asset, a list of attachments to that asset appears | 23:12 |
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| ckotil | ok sure. that makes sense. asset this and that can be confusing | 23:12 |
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| @preaction | to the admin, all attachments are in /media/attachments, organized by the asset ID of the asset it's attached to | 23:12 |
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| ckotil | would they also exist as children beneath the article/layout asset? | 23:13 |
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| elnino | the template redos have definately helped. but they need docs which I'm working on. | 23:13 |
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| @preaction | unfortunately, as i'll say in a little while, i don't have my own private time to do all this, and nobody's buying my time for me to do all this | 23:13 |
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| ckotil | right. | 23:13 |
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| @preaction | ckotil: no, they wouldn't. that causes problems in navigation and they'd show up twice on the page if you also added them using the ^FileURL macro | 23:13 |
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| @preaction | elnino: now we just need to get people thinking "Template Toolkit" instead of HTML::Template | 23:14 |
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| ckotil | ah. | 23:14 |
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| ckotil | i need to switch to the TT | 23:14 |
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| elnino | ckotil re attachments vs file assets. | 23:14 |
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| ckotil | preaction: re: content_managers_rich_edit.html?func=edit even though I have enabled Past from Word, it still doesnt work as well as it should. | 23:15 |
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| ckotil | pretty sure its a tiny mce bug. | 23:15 |
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| elnino | oh nevermind ckotil | 23:15 |
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| elnino | I was going to say something. but am not going to. | 23:16 |
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| @preaction | post it, along with which version of webgui you're using. if you can verify it is indeed a tinymce bug, that would help a lot | 23:16 |
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| elnino | still catching up on reading all of this. | 23:16 |
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| @preaction | (the tinymce website should have a latest version demo you can try) | 23:16 |
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| ckotil | k. problem is my users claim to haev all these problems but NEVER file a formal bug report with us | 23:16 |
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| ckotil | only last week finally squelched the MIME type issue with docx pptx etc... | 23:17 |
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| ckotil | which ive been hearinf about for 6 months. | 23:17 |
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| elnino | preaction - the new "attachments"/file assets will still be attached to the articles, so that if a user views the article directly by url, they'll still see the attachments, right? | 23:17 |
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| @preaction | most people don't like asking for help, especially on something like computers (and especially from people who they know are smarter than them on the topic) | 23:17 |
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| @preaction | elnino: it's not something i've thought about that much, but i want it to work more like the wiki attachments, where you drag/drop the attachments to the place you want them. most likely there would still also be the <tmpl_loop attachments> for the template people | 23:18 |
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| ckotil | yah, that's too bad, when I really want to make the system work better | 23:18 |
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| @preaction | likewise, many of these trivial UI problems we have I never hear about because they aren't "bugs" per-se | 23:19 |
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| elnino | is the wiki attachments an aspect? | 23:19 |
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| @preaction | i did some training runs last year, and that's when i really got a lot of feedback on how much we could improve our basics | 23:19 |
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| @preaction | elnino: it's a form control, kinda. it's very hacky (due to the tinymce mostly) | 23:19 |
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| elnino | oh yea, I remember that.. It's very clunky. I never use it. | 23:20 |
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| @preaction | exactly | 23:21 |
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| @preaction | EXACTLY! ;-) | 23:21 |
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| elnino | i think it was a templating issue whenI tried it.- when the wiki first came out. | 23:21 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r924cc0d / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post/Thread.pm): Swap lastPostId and lastPostDate arguments when archiving a thread. Fixes bug #11398 - http://bit.ly/bmyMp6 | 00:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | dionak++ for being the new Person Behind WebGUI | 00:50 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r8046cc7 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post/Thread.pm): Swap lastPostId and lastPostDate arguments when archiving a thread. Fixes bug #11398 - http://bit.ly/cXfmLj | 00:51 |
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| @preaction | dionak++; # second | 00:52 |
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| @preaction | if you think so, i agree | 01:28 |
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| @preaction | most the bugs i saw were either long-standing or unverifiable | 01:28 |
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| elnino_laptop | has anyone looked at cakephp? how does that compare to webgui? | 03:03 |
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| @preaction | elnino_laptop: looks like it's a framework, not a CMS | 03:38 |
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| @preaction | you'd have to build a CMS on top of it (or find a CMS built on top of it) | 03:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | LDAP is fix_ed. | 04:21 |
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| +patspam | ewww php | 05:52 |
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| ckotil | Morning. Is there any kind of reporting for the data form asset? | 16:21 |
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| +bartjol | ee, that's default isn't it ckotil? | 16:28 |
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| ckotil | not that i can see. i can go to list all entries, or export tab delimited. | 16:29 |
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| +bartjol | there is an export data function, but you can also choose "List all entries" when logged in | 16:29 |
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| ckotil | i suppose export would be sufficient | 16:29 |
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| +bartjol | the list is the "report | 16:30 |
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| +bartjol | " | 16:30 |
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| +bartjol | I suppose you can template that | 16:30 |
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| ckotil | yeah, i was hoping for breakdowns and percentages. but i can do that in excel | 16:30 |
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| +bartjol | there is a list template | 16:31 |
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| +bartjol | I suppose you can use the template toolkit to get percentages | 16:31 |
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| ckotil | yeah, good idea. thanks | 16:31 |
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| +bartjol | ckotil: are there any approved rfe's you want supported? | 16:33 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:35 |
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| +bartjol | still get to get rid of 10000 karma | 16:35 |
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| SDuensin | Oh, gee, poor you. | 16:36 |
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| +bartjol | yeah, I promised ning that I would spend it on rfe's | 16:36 |
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| +bartjol | but it's a bit strange to spend it all on my own rfe's | 16:36 |
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| ckotil | yeah man! | 16:37 |
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| +bartjol | like this one SDuensin? http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10701 | 16:38 |
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| ckotil | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10496 | 16:38 |
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| ckotil | holy crap. http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/add-a-summary-meta-data-input-field-to-file-pile-asset this one has an insanely high difficulty , and a ton of karma. if only JT would lower the difficulty on it ;) | 16:39 |
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| +bartjol | ckotil: you got 1000 karma for that one | 16:39 |
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| ckotil | sweet, thanks man | 16:40 |
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| +bartjol | 3200 for the second | 16:40 |
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| ckotil | nice | 16:41 |
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| +bartjol | sd you got 100 to | 16:41 |
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| +bartjol | 1000 | 16:41 |
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| +bartjol | SDuensin: and 600 for your itransact rfe | 16:43 |
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| SDuensin | WHOO!!!!! | 16:43 |
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| SDuensin | bartjol is a spendin' fool! | 16:43 |
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| ckotil | :) | 16:43 |
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| +bartjol | yeah, I feel really rich | 16:44 |
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| SDuensin | You could have ordered a dozen Gui's or something. | 16:44 |
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| +bartjol | around 6000 left to spend | 16:44 |
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| +bartjol | yeah, but a promise is a promise | 16:44 |
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| SDuensin | This is reminding me of the old episodes of "Wheel of Fortune". "Uh, I'd like the jade elephant for $8000, Pat." | 16:45 |
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| +bartjol | :) | 16:45 |
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| ckotil | Im all out of reasonable RFE's | 16:49 |
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| SquOnk | "Switch to PostreSQL" <g> | 16:51 |
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| SquOnk | PostgreSQL | 16:51 |
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| SquOnk | When is 7.8 going stable? | 16:51 |
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| +bartjol | there was a timetable for that in the roadmap I believe | 16:51 |
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| ckotil | might spark your interest http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/new-starting-point-for-navigation-asset | 16:51 |
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| +bartjol | since wg 8 development is taking a lot of time, the stable declaration might be later | 16:52 |
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| SquOnk | So there won't be 7.9? | 16:52 |
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| +bartjol | I think there will be | 16:54 |
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| +bartjol | http://www.webgui.org/roadmap | 16:54 |
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| +bartjol | WebGUI 7.8 should come out as stable in the first part of 2010. | 16:55 |
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| +bartjol | that is a quote | 16:55 |
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| SquOnk | Ok | 16:56 |
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| +bartjol | ask perldreamer later | 16:56 |
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| SquOnk | I'm thinking Debian Squeeze. The freeze is supposed to happen in March. 7.7.32 is already in Debian Sid so having 7.8 would be great | 16:57 |
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| SynQ | is the amount of years you differ to the age of JT a good age indication? | 16:58 |
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| +bartjol | ah, well, the we can only hope that "the first part of 2010" is in februari | 17:01 |
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| +bartjol | ah perlDreameris there already a better timing for "the first part of 2010"? | 17:11 |
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| +bartjol | morning | 17:12 |
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| +bartjol | SquOnk wants to try to get 7.8 in the next debian before the freeze | 17:12 |
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| +bartjol | or do we have to bother pb guys about the stable declaration | 17:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | when is the freeze? | 17:22 |
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| +bartjol | march | 17:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think we'll make that. It depends on how many old bugs we get fixed, and if we can stay on top of the new ones. | 17:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | WRE and webgui.org and helpdesk bugs don't count | 17:30 |
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| +bartjol | ok, but maybe it's best to communicate with Squonk about it | 17:32 |
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| +bartjol | I'm just a messenger now | 17:32 |
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| +bartjol | my finger is not deep (if at all) in debian's porridge | 17:33 |
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| +bartjol | and Koen asks you to stop releasing so frequently, he didn't give any reason. I'm just the mailserver. bug fixing should be good | 17:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | we slowed down to every other week, that's already pretty slow | 17:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ: come and explain why every other week is too quick for a release schedule | 17:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | gotta run kids to school, be back in a bit | 17:45 |
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| SynQ | perlDreamer: I would just have more time to keep up with you | 17:48 |
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| SynQ | who needs a new version any two weeks anyway :P | 17:49 |
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| SynQ | once every 2 months should be enough for everybody | 17:50 |
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| SynQ | that will give me time to wait for my new gadgets | 17:51 |
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| SynQ | I need to get my Prius, but it is being delayed due to the break issue | 17:51 |
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| SynQ | I need to get my new iPhone, but it is being delayed due to the subscription not expired yet | 17:52 |
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| +bartjol | yeah, waiting is a labourous activity | 17:52 |
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| SDuensin | Ooo - Prius. Gotta love a hackable car. :-) | 17:53 |
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| SynQ | unstoppable car ;) | 17:53 |
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| * SDuensin has the big brother version... a Highlander hybrid. | 17:54 |
| SDuensin | It may kill me with a random bug, but so far, I love the thing! | 17:54 |
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| SynQ | hmm | 17:54 |
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| SynQ | I don't think that is available in europe | 17:54 |
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| SDuensin | Was hard to get in the USA when I bought it. They shipped mine from Tokyo! | 17:55 |
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| * SynQ has a 2010 prius on order | 17:55 |
| * SynQ has gotta take his BMW home now :) | 17:56 |
| SynQ | I'll be back in a few hours to feed perlDreamer some more crap | 17:56 |
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| +bartjol | poor pd | 17:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: are map point info windows drawn by WebGUI, or Google? | 18:23 |
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| +bartjol | ah, the text breaking bug | 18:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, finally got enough info to duplicate it | 18:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | as far as I can tell, these come right from Google | 18:27 |
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| +bartjol | ah | 18:31 |
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| +bartjol | I haven't seen it before either | 18:31 |
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| +bartjol | almost thought something with picture dependancy | 18:31 |
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| +bartjol | but I haven't looked into it that far, just not started talking crap with vague suspicions | 18:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | there's no picture in this case, it's almost like some kind of width setting issue with URLs and long words that don't break | 18:36 |
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| +bartjol | the total width is set in the html | 18:43 |
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| +bartjol | but that's how far I came | 18:43 |
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| +bartjol | busy busy | 18:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, but the HTML is autogenerated by Google, I believe | 18:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh, this is a real bug | 18:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's not a rendering problem | 18:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | the URL is being truncated somehow | 18:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | when it is submitted, the submitter sees everything okay, but if the page is reloaded, or another user comes along and edits the point, the URL is truncated to 23 characters | 18:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh, that is just evil and wrong! | 18:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | the website field is 22 characters long in the db. I miscounted the length by 1. | 18:52 |
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| +bartjol | well, you found the cause | 18:53 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r24c7b5a / (2 files in 2 dirs): Increase the size of MapPoint fields so data is not truncated. Fixes bug #11394 - http://bit.ly/bjCu5C | 19:03 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd41b589 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Increase the size of MapPoint fields so data is not truncated. Fixes bug #11394 - http://bit.ly/9JzRej | 19:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | and it's fixed | 19:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | bartjol, I've been feeling your pain | 19:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | I've done remodeling projects the last two weekends in a row | 19:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | and probably have about 4 hours more work on Saturday | 19:09 |
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| +bartjol | remodelling is just beginning to get painfull when people don't ask anymore whether how it's coming along | 19:11 |
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| +bartjol | the terrible silence | 19:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's taking so long, though | 19:14 |
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| +bartjol | ah just ordered tickets for the neurotic deathfest concert | 19:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | and you don't offer updates | 19:14 |
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| +bartjol | well, i can shower at home | 19:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, the neurotic deathfest | 19:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | Starring perlDreamer and the WebGUI 8 Hack Team | 19:14 |
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| +bartjol | i can't give an update for every tile i attached to the wall | 19:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | Arguing ad extremis is considered bad form, my boy | 19:16 |
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| +bartjol | well, I have to start somewhere | 19:18 |
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| +bartjol | but somewhere next week, all the tiles may be on my walls, and some people are going to give me prices for replacing my concrete floor | 19:19 |
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| +bartjol | not all tiles, not in the toilet yet | 19:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | bathroom? | 19:20 |
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| +bartjol | yes | 19:20 |
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| +bartjol | so where my shower, washing machine and wash bowl is | 19:20 |
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| +bartjol | so I can shower AND shave | 19:20 |
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| +bartjol | and do laundry (when my electricity there is installed) | 19:21 |
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| +bartjol | I hope that was enough update for now, but didn't kathy showed the pictures of my shower? | 19:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't think so. I'll have her do that tonight | 19:23 |
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| +bartjol | she said to me she liked the shower | 19:23 |
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| +bartjol | http://www.bartjol.nl/home/fotoalbums/fortos/shower-finished | 19:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | wow! Nice tile work, bartjol | 19:25 |
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| +bartjol | not that many pictures, and on their side, but still | 19:25 |
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| +bartjol | yeah, lot off work | 19:25 |
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| +bartjol | but I'm happy with it | 19:25 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rc633103 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Update the ZipArchive for Moose. - http://bit.ly/cviLFh | 19:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: what do you think about using Moose delegation to handle Keywords? | 19:59 |
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| @Haarg | seems reasonable | 20:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | the only issue I see is the $asset->get('keywords'), since in that case we want to map a call to $asset->keywords to $asset->keywords->getKeywordsForAsset | 20:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | rather, $asset->getKeywordsForAsset | 20:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | but I can do that with around, I think | 20:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | but the instanciator is a problem | 20:11 |
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| @preaction | which instantiator? | 20:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | the one that the delegator should build for WebGUI::Keyword | 20:13 |
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| @preaction | has 'keywords' => ( default => sub { WebGUI::Keyword->new( $_[0]->session, $_[0]->getId ); }, lazy => 1 ); | 20:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | that looks like it's been pasted from WebGUIX :) | 20:14 |
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| @preaction | it hasn't. WebGUIx would be: __PACKAGE__->has_many( "keywords", "WebGUIx::Asset::Keyword" ); | 20:15 |
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| @preaction | (DBIC) | 20:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll see how that works with the delegation stuff | 20:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, did you also alter Keywords so that it would take an optional asset in the instanciator? | 20:23 |
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| @preaction | no | 20:24 |
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| @preaction | but since I hate the keywords API we have, i'm going to end up rewriting it | 20:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | I would suggest using hash based args, instead of hashrefs | 20:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | since Moose delegation and currying won't handle stuffing hashrefs, from what I'm seeing | 20:25 |
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| @preaction | no, but also the method names are horrible, you should use the delegation to fix that probably | 20:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | again, I can't, since I can't curry in the asset argument to those horribly named methods | 20:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'd have to change the API for Keyword | 20:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | which is legal, but more work | 20:26 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rc3b554e / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : added changelog for code editor bugfixen - http://bit.ly/biFxrW | 22:25 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r4bf4391 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : added code editor fixes to changelog - http://bit.ly/afQr9m | 22:27 |
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| * SynQ hugs perlDreamer | 23:19 |
| * perlDreamer would hug back, but I'm doing some emergency bug fixing | 23:19 |
| SynQ | see | 23:22 |
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| SynQ | that is what you get when you put out a lot of releases :P | 23:22 |
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| --- Day changed Thu Feb 11 2010 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, let's debate release frequency | 00:11 |
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| @preaction | we should never release | 00:11 |
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| @preaction | released software always has bugs in it | 00:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | unreleased software doesn't? | 00:11 |
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| @preaction | no, it does, but if it's unreleased people don't care | 00:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ: ping | 00:12 |
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| SynQ | piong | 00:15 |
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| SynQ | preaction: good plan | 00:15 |
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| @preaction | yay! my inbox is clean again! I can work on WebGUI 8 for the first time in 3 months! | 00:15 |
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| SynQ | yay! | 00:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | didn't we have this discussion, about 2 years ago, where we weren't releasing often enough? | 00:20 |
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| @preaction | probably | 00:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | then we went to weeklies | 00:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | and weekly didn't work for Debian, so we slowed down to every other week | 00:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think that no matter what we do someone is going to be unhappy | 00:21 |
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| SynQ | perlDreamer: I'm just trying to get you in the harness | 00:21 |
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| SynQ | that is very true | 00:21 |
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| SynQ | but I am happy | 00:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | so, I do have a solution for this | 00:21 |
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| SynQ | I'm just not able to keep up with the releases | 00:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | we do what preaction says, and stop releasing software | 00:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | if people want it, we have a public git repository | 00:21 |
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| SynQ | uh | 00:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | they can pull anytime they want | 00:21 |
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| SynQ | that won't work | 00:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | you can cherry pick bug fixes, skip features | 00:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | take all or none on your own schedule | 00:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | to compensate for that, all commits will require a successful run of the test suite | 00:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | otherwise it will be rejected | 00:22 |
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| SynQ | ah :) | 00:22 |
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| SynQ | so we will do minutly releases then | 00:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, no releases | 00:23 |
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| SynQ | every commit will be a release | 00:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | potentially, but you don't have to take it | 00:23 |
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| SynQ | hehe | 00:23 |
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| SynQ | well | 00:23 |
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| SynQ | I'm basically on that schedule for the WRE | 00:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | actually, who says that you have to install every release, SynQ? | 00:23 |
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| SynQ | nobody | 00:23 |
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| @preaction | oh, wait, i gotta fix a Wg7 bug before i can work on wg8... blast! | 00:23 |
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| SynQ | but I want to reward your hard work by using the releases | 00:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have to support people using 6.8, it will not offend me at all if you do not install every releaes | 00:24 |
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| SynQ | and it makes me feel sad not being able to | 00:24 |
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| * perlDreamer suspectes that a Dutch chop-busting is going on... | 00:24 |
| SynQ | with you working so hard on it and all | 00:24 |
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| @preaction | who are you supporting running 6.8? | 00:25 |
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| @preaction | none of our clients, i hope | 00:25 |
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| SynQ | client is a big word | 00:25 |
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| @preaction | it's also a 4-letter word | 00:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, but it's also a 5-letter word. Money | 00:26 |
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| SynQ | it's probably and e-tla | 00:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | no clients == no cash | 00:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | and no cash means perlDreamer has to go back to slinging silicon again | 00:26 |
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| SynQ | yuck | 00:26 |
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| SynQ | perlDreamer: keep up the good work | 00:27 |
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| SynQ | I'm going to catch some nice dreams about pearl white cars | 00:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ, I don't suppose you'd do some 7.8 testing for us, would you? | 00:28 |
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| SynQ | with brakes that work | 00:28 |
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| SynQ | perlDreamer: what kind of testing? | 00:28 |
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| SynQ | you want me to find even more bugs | 00:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | we're close to 7.8-stabl | 00:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes! | 00:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | please, let's find them now, instead of after the release | 00:28 |
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| SynQ | but then preaction won't be able to work on wg88 | 00:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll fix bugs | 00:28 |
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| SynQ | oh | 00:28 |
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| SynQ | I'd love to | 00:29 |
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| SynQ | but I have to go and lie in bed with my wife who is ill | 00:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh, yeah | 00:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | go do that | 00:29 |
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| SynQ | sorry | 00:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | what did you do to make her ill? | 00:29 |
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| SynQ | I did nothing wrong | 00:29 |
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| SynQ | I swear I didn't | 00:29 |
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| SynQ | it's the bad weather and her mother | 00:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | please tell her that Kathy and I will pray for her | 00:30 |
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| SynQ | she threw up in the hallway last monday | 00:30 |
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| SynQ | I will | 00:30 |
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| SynQ | hope that helps | 00:30 |
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| SynQ | do pray for her mother too then, whe need her too | 00:31 |
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| SynQ | Tessa was terrified when her mother fell to the ground after throwing up | 00:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | 1 prayer 4-pack coming up, since little Emma should not get the throwing up either | 00:31 |
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| SynQ | I have never heared such a panicky scream | 00:32 |
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| SynQ | I think Tessa thought she was going to die or something | 00:32 |
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| SynQ | but I know her mother is a though one | 00:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | and Tessa got sick, too? | 00:33 |
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| SynQ | yups | 00:33 |
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| SynQ | today | 00:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | oy | 00:33 |
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| SynQ | I had to pick her up when she was halfway on her way home | 00:33 |
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| SynQ | it's snowing badly here | 00:33 |
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| SynQ | she was really glad I did pick her up | 00:33 |
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| SynQ | so tomorrow I will be nursing both my daughter, wife and dog | 00:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's nice that you have the option to work from home in emergencies | 00:38 |
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| SynQ | indeed | 00:39 |
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| SynQ | I would be very unhappy if I wouldn't have that option | 00:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | are JS regular expressions as greedy as Perl regexen? | 00:44 |
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| SynQ | dunno | 00:44 |
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| SynQ | now I'm going to bed for real | 00:45 |
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| SynQ | nite nite | 00:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | good night, my friend | 00:45 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: yes | 00:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | then this gobbles: /<[^>]*>/g | 00:46 |
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| @preaction | it gobbles what i want it to gobble | 00:46 |
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| @preaction | <, any character that is not a >, and > | 00:46 |
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| @preaction | oh, we're not working on the same problem | 00:47 |
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| @preaction | are we? | 00:47 |
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| * perlDreamer is trying to help, but I should probably stick with wg8 | 00:47 |
| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r5494a36 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Shelf.pm : Remove filter calls in Shelf when importing. - http://bit.ly/aq4jBv | 00:48 |
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| @preaction | no, please, i can't figure this out | 00:48 |
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| @preaction | i can't even reproduce it anymore for some reason | 00:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | IE8 on XP | 00:48 |
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| @preaction | okay, i'll try that | 00:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | sorry, IE7 on XP | 00:49 |
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| @preaction | IE7 works for me | 00:49 |
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| @preaction | IE6 too | 00:49 |
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| * perlDreamer will try again | 00:54 |
| @preaction | HOLY CRAP it just did it! | 00:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | are you using the realyLongLine file? | 00:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | it breaks for me every time | 00:55 |
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| @preaction | yeah, i | 00:55 |
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| @preaction | m | 00:55 |
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| @preaction | thinking it was because i copy/pasted from an existing code editor instead of the original text | 00:56 |
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| @preaction | or maybe because i copy/pasted from a web browser, where things were already escaped | 00:56 |
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| @preaction | damnit, why did it have to be IE? it's impossible to debug things quickly in IE... | 00:57 |
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| @preaction | it's happening before the highlight routines | 01:00 |
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| @preaction | it happens whether or not there's a space after the </a>, but putting a space there changes what happens | 01:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | strange that it only works for pasting | 01:02 |
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| @preaction | i have a theory: what if the YUI Editor is doing something to the pasted stuff | 01:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | if that is true, then we can check the carousel | 01:03 |
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| @preaction | it might be necessary for the normal Editor, but wrong for the code editor, but do check | 01:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm reinstalling IE7 right now | 01:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | this thing is slower than frozen whale snot | 01:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | 2 reboots to install IE7 | 01:17 |
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| @preaction | nice | 01:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | carousel seems to work okay | 01:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | Pasting only the last little bit causes the problem to show up | 01:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | <a href="http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/">Home</a> | 01:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | try this | 01:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | paste the line above | 01:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | then hit enter two time | 01:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | then paste again | 01:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | and each newline will show up as $1 | 01:29 |
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| @preaction | different bug, i cleaned out some old code and missed it | 01:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | you can undo it | 01:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | if you paste, then hit Ctrl-Z, it will undo the brokeness | 01:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | that is some nasty predistort | 01:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | I see what you mean about it happening before the highlight | 01:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | the code gets all wierded up, then the highlight code breaks it | 01:37 |
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| @preaction | it is something to do with the highlight, i moved the highlight code from keyup to beforeeditorkeydown | 01:40 |
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| @preaction | and now i paste, and everything appears fine, then i hit enter and it breaks | 01:40 |
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| @preaction | when i put target="_blank" after the href="" in the home tag, it doesn't break | 01:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | for me, it's still broken if we extend SimpleEditor instead of Editor | 01:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | but it's less JS... | 01:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's the link highlighting code | 01:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | in the core editor | 01:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's inserting stuff that's bunging up the highlighter | 01:47 |
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| @preaction | what line? | 01:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't know. I went to dev.yahoo.com and tried some of their examples | 01:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | and then I noticed that the link underlining is in exactly the same place as the broken code inserted by the editor before the highlighting | 01:48 |
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| @preaction | and it happens there too? | 01:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, but differently | 01:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | can we disable link underlining/detection? | 01:48 |
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| @preaction | if yui is putting in links, it must be putting in some of its own markup | 01:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | and that's what's messing up the highlighting (IMO) | 01:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | I pasted in <a href="http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu">Home</a> | 01:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | and it underlined everything from http:// all the way to the end of the closing anchor tag | 01:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll take some screenshots and paste them up somewhere. | 01:54 |
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| @preaction | i see that too, when i paste using the menu instead of Ctrl+V | 01:55 |
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| @preaction | it's the _fixNodes method in simpleeditor | 01:59 |
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| @preaction | before the yui editor does anything to the text, we need to escape the HTML, agreed? | 02:00 |
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| @preaction | nope, nm, not _fixNodes | 02:07 |
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| @preaction | it's _nodeChange, or something called by it | 02:15 |
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| @preaction | nope, not that either. they're both overridden and no change | 02:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://yuilibrary.com/projects/yui2/ticket/2082723 | 02:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: that first link was interesting, this one is the answer http://yuilibrary.com/projects/yui2/ticket/2528548 | 02:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | dav: " Setting to future, pasting into the Editor is not supported. " | 02:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | if it works at all, it must be accidental | 02:48 |
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| @preaction | "pasting into the Editor is not supported." | 02:48 |
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| @preaction | fuck | 02:48 |
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| @preaction | but yes, that is the problem | 02:49 |
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| @preaction | i'll mark it waiting on external, then i'll see about fixing the bug in YUI. this is not an acceptable bug... | 02:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | that bug is about pasting from the Editor into the Editor, but still, this is close enough | 02:50 |
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| @preaction | so we are where we started really, there's still a bug that needs fixing, it just won't prevent us from going stable... | 02:50 |
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| @preaction | oh, this might not be the same problem | 02:51 |
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| @preaction | at least, that problem is easy to fix | 02:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't see any show stopper bugs on the list now. | 02:56 |
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| @preaction | i'm thinking now that it's actually IE doing this | 03:10 |
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| @preaction | when it inserts HTML elements, they're upper-case | 03:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | I opened up a bug for it on their site: http://yuilibrary.com/projects/yui2/ticket/2528789 | 03:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | all the HTML elements I"m seeing on IE7 are still lower case | 03:15 |
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| @preaction | you have to get the HTML before the highlighter gets to it | 03:15 |
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| @preaction | let me start up a logging instance, i've been doing alert() bs, and IE doesn't let you copy/paste from alerts | 03:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | but we wrote the highlighter | 03:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | that shouldn't be a problem at all | 03:16 |
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| @preaction | i'll paste what IE does to the html. turning it back into text right away actually works, but highlighting what it does to the html doesn't work | 03:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe the SimpleEditor is not the right "tool" to build this on top of | 03:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | but I'm not about to suggest that to Dav ;) | 03:18 |
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| @preaction | eh, i think the editor needs a ground-up rewrite to be honest | 03:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | Gooey makes a very good cable management tool | 03:21 |
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| @preaction | http://gist.github.com/301096 <- this is what IE did | 03:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, although you can duplicate the bug with the smaller snippet: <a href="http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/">Home</a> | 03:30 |
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| @preaction | yes, and even smaller. i think it's the www., or http://, or something.something.{com|net|org|edu|gov} | 03:30 |
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| @preaction | if it can be detected, it can be worked around | 03:31 |
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| @preaction | oh, duh. if the highlighted text contains an <A ... /A>... | 03:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe, if we had a way to turn off the Editor and turn it back into a text area, then it would safe to paste? | 03:32 |
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| @preaction | but why? i mean, i'm going to add one anyway, but why do it just to work around a bug? | 03:34 |
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| @preaction | right now we just remove the actual tags, leaving the content between the tags | 03:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | because in the short term, I think it would be the workaround for ALL bugs | 03:34 |
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| @preaction | problem here: IE is adding a full <A> CONTENT </A> tag | 03:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | just turn it off | 03:34 |
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| @preaction | what other bugs are there? | 03:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | turning off the editor would have addressed the focus bug | 03:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't think we've used the Code Editor enough to really shake it out yet | 03:35 |
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| @preaction | oh, that focus bug | 03:36 |
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| @preaction | if we give users a workaround, they'll always use it, but worse: They'll never report the problems | 03:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | true | 03:37 |
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| @preaction | it's incredible to me, but apparently people don't like reporting problems | 03:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's just laziness | 03:37 |
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| @preaction | anyway, imma post a diff, could you verify? | 03:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah | 03:38 |
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| @preaction | http://gist.github.com/301110 | 03:38 |
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| @preaction | nm, doesn't work. works for the small one, but not the big example | 03:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's a start | 03:41 |
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| @preaction | it's because for some reason the ">Home is put into the URL unescaped... | 03:42 |
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| @preaction | you know, this wouldn't be so difficult if IE actually added VALID HTML FOR GOD'S SAKE | 03:45 |
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| @preaction | <a href="<A href='http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/">Home</a></div'>http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/">Home</a> <- i need to change that to <a href="<A href='http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/">Home</a></div'>http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/">Home</a> | 03:47 |
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| @preaction | href=(['"]).*?\1 <- would do it in Perl, but can't seem to do it in JS | 03:48 |
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| @preaction | oh, wait, right, before that i can't do that (it will nest "", thus creating completely broken HTML no matter what) | 03:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | it wants to become | 03:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | <a href="<A href='http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/'>http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/">Home</a> | 03:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | uh, getting closer | 03:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | <a href="<A href='http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/'>http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/</A>">Home</a> | 03:52 |
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| @preaction | so what i want is <A .+? >anything</A> | 03:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | single quotes work fine in the short snippet | 03:58 |
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| * perlDreamer takes a dinner break | 03:59 |
| @preaction | ... i'm going to have to actually parse this... | 04:00 |
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| @preaction | that's the real problem: i'm parsing HTML with regular expressions | 04:01 |
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| @preaction | HA! I think I got it now | 04:22 |
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| @preaction | but it's a much much bigger patch | 04:22 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: Try this diff and let me know? http://gist.github.com/301132 | 04:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: excelsior! | 04:33 |
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| @preaction | it works? | 04:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | both the small snippet and long snippet work | 04:33 |
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| @preaction | yay! now to make it more sane | 04:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | hold on | 04:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | negative, the long one does not work | 04:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, it did | 04:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | stoopid Notepad | 04:36 |
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| @preaction | whew | 04:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | that works, just drop an entire HTML parser into it | 04:37 |
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| @preaction | yep! | 04:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | not it will only break for CSS, JS XML and other stuff :) | 04:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | be back later tonight | 04:38 |
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| @preaction | but IE doesn't add extra CSS, JS, or XML | 04:38 |
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| elnino | hmm. somewhere I saw where I can add icons for additional file types.. Where did I see that? | 05:16 |
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| elnino | ah foudn it. | 05:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | where's that? | 05:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, now can you start on some wg8? | 05:56 |
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| @preaction | well, tomorrow after i commit that change, yeah | 06:00 |
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| elnino | perlDreamer, are you asking me? | 06:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | yup, how do you add extra file icons? | 06:00 |
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| elnino | wrote it up here just for you =) : http://www.webgui.org/wiki/adding-new-file-asset-icons | 06:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | those can also be filed as bugs, to be added to the core | 06:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | especially if they're formatted as patches against the latest WebGUI rev | 06:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | also, if you submit a patch to fix a bug, I can give you karma | 06:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's not as good as grace and everlasting salvation, but it works pretty well in the WebGUI community | 06:05 |
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| elnino | lol.. | 06:05 |
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| elnino | I don't know what the appropriate icon is for m4a, all I did was copies mp3's icon. | 06:05 |
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| elnino | I just wanted something other than "unknown" | 06:06 |
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| elnino | I was kinda curious as to how you guys decided on mp3's icon, I didn't find "webgui's choice of icon" in images.google.com. | 06:07 |
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| elnino | not that I'm an expert. There is only so much you can show in t 16x16 | 06:07 |
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| elnino | s/t/a | 06:07 |
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| elnino | so how do I generate a patch? is there a way to use diff? | 06:08 |
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| * elnino looks | 06:08 |
| +perlDreamer | to use diff, you'd need two branches, the original, and the new | 06:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | or, to use git to pull a repository from github, and you can do a diff against that | 06:17 |
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| @preaction | if you do a google for "famfamfam", i think i want to change webgui's icon set to that in 7.9 or 8.0 | 06:18 |
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| elnino | I posted an bugreport with the patch. Thanks! | 06:38 |
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| @preaction | no, thank you | 06:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | hola, patspam | 07:35 |
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| +patspam | hey hey! | 07:35 |
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| +patspam | thunderstorms here | 07:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | what time are you flying over Oregon? | 07:35 |
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| +patspam | well, I leave melbourne 12pm Friday EST | 07:36 |
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| +patspam | (friday week that is) | 07:36 |
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| +patspam | so... (are you planning on waving as I fly over?) | 07:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | I will. And I'll point at a nearby winery, too | 07:36 |
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| +patspam | nice! fingers crossed about OSCON | 07:37 |
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| +patspam | then you can actually take me to one :) | 07:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | If you get invited to OSCON, I'll take you to several | 07:37 |
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| +patspam | I did my FilePump talk at Melbourne OSDC last night (open source developers club) | 07:38 |
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| +patspam | got lots of questions from people interested in wG afterwards | 07:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | awesome. Don't forget to mention that we're moving to Moose, too. | 07:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://explorer.oregonwine.org/winery/search/intro | 07:39 |
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| +patspam | yeah! Moose, memcached, plack.. wG is going to be the poster-child of modern perl | 07:41 |
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| +patspam | is DBIx part of wg8? | 07:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, that's the one missing piece | 07:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction says that's a wg9 piece | 07:42 |
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| @preaction | you mean DBIC? | 07:42 |
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| +patspam | yeah | 07:42 |
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| @preaction | yeah, not yet | 07:42 |
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| +patspam | probably sensible to try not to rewrite absolutely everything in one iteration | 07:42 |
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| @preaction | we have to figure out why my performance tests put it at 50% of the speed of the current system | 07:42 |
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| @preaction | baby steps, after all | 07:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | time for this baby to crawl into bed | 07:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | good night, friends and hackers, all | 07:46 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:29 |
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| +bartjol | haha, I was right | 18:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | but of course | 18:26 |
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| +bartjol | and dit you berate your wife about not passing on the updates on my house? | 18:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | No, I had to apologize. She had shown me those pictures before | 18:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | I forgot | 18:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | As I get older, it gets easier to do both of those | 18:28 |
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| +bartjol | that can happen, on a busy road, grass does not grow | 18:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | You Dutch people are just full of sayings | 18:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | dang | 18:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | paginator bug | 18:36 |
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| +bartjol | we are, we like sayings that make us full | 18:37 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc785474 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix pagination isses in Active Sessions when a session is deleted. Fixes bug #11400 - http://bit.ly/ap1dMZ | 18:51 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r55257ec / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix pagination issues in Active Sessions when a session is deleted. Fixes bug #11400 - http://bit.ly/b9imv2 | 18:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | bopbop, I just committed a minor change to Active Sessions that you should know about | 19:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | if you delete a session, it would reset you to page 1 | 19:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | and it doesn't do that anymore | 19:01 |
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| @bopbop | ok...now it does what? | 19:01 |
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| @bopbop | nothing? | 19:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | it takes you back to the same page | 19:01 |
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| @bopbop | ah | 19:01 |
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| @bopbop | ok | 19:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | so if you had lots of sessions, and were on page 3/10, and delete a session from that page, it takes you back to page 3 again | 19:02 |
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| @bopbop | alright | 19:02 |
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| @bopbop | that's better :) | 19:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | I did briefly think about starting a pronoun/grammar debate, arguing "that" would refer to "reset you to page 1" | 19:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | then I remembered I'd be debating grammar with a professional writer and teacher | 19:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | and thought better of it | 19:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | now I think I'll go to the gym | 19:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's awesome! | 20:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | Gooey is in the new Toy Story 3 movie! | 20:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | I love the publicity | 20:27 |
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| SDuensin | hehe | 20:27 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r45eb743 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/UserList.pm : Update UserList for Moose. | 21:07 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r54cfb61 / (asset_status.ods lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/WeatherData.pm): Update WeatherData for Moose. - http://bit.ly/9aOYRs | 21:21 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rda64cc9 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/TimeTracking.pm : Update TimeTracking for Moose. - http://bit.ly/99WeZo | 21:38 |
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| elnino | hi. I added a site search to the site, and NOTHING shows up.. Is it normal proceedure to have to reindex your site when you add a search asset? | 22:04 |
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| @preaction | no | 22:04 |
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| elnino | hmm. ok. then, I know there were a bunch of issues on webgui.org with the search, what version did those get fixed? | 22:05 |
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| elnino | hmm. after I did a indexsite, I'm still not getting any results. and I know the word I'm search for is in there MANy times. | 22:09 |
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| @preaction | is it a stopword? | 22:09 |
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| elnino | ? | 22:09 |
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| elnino | isaiah | 22:10 |
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| @preaction | then i don't know | 22:10 |
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| elnino | grr.. hold on. | 22:10 |
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| elnino | there it is. | 22:10 |
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| * elnino is embarrased | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | nah, nothing to worry about | 22:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | embarrassed is when you put bugs into WebGUI | 22:37 |
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| @preaction | nah, embarrassed is when you take down customer servers | 22:39 |
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| @preaction | or make a release destroy websites | 22:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | I've done that, too | 22:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | but of course, you knew that which is WHY YOU SAID IT IN A PUBLIC IRC CHANNEL!!!! | 22:40 |
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| @preaction | you too? OMG WE HAVE SO MUCH IN COMMON! | 22:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | we may have stuff in common, but I'm not signing up for the "Busted Hacker in December" program | 22:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | this year is JT's turn | 22:43 |
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| @preaction | well, there is that memcached driver he wrote and committed that doesn't actually ever cache anything | 22:44 |
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| elnino | too funny | 22:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | are you serious? | 22:46 |
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| @preaction | yep | 22:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | no wonder it benchmarks so well | 22:46 |
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| elnino | lol | 22:46 |
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| @preaction | you mean poorly | 22:46 |
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| @preaction | it benched the same as our current DB cache driver | 22:46 |
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| @preaction | (which makes sense, since it would always go to the DB to get data) | 22:46 |
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| @preaction | are we on 7.7.33 now? | 22:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 22:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I owe you an email about Keywords in wg8 | 22:49 |
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| @preaction | i owe you one on when/how we're going to make the root WG8 branch (which we should do soon, merging static_definition, form_builder, and innodb | 22:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | there's already a root webgui8 branch, WebGUI8 | 22:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | it just needs some love, attention, and merging with conflict resolution | 22:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | I vote we make Haarg do it | 22:53 |
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| @preaction | it needs to be rebuilt from static_definition, after pulling out any needed code | 22:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | actually, I vote that you make me do it with Haarg for moral and technical support | 22:53 |
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| @preaction | i don't even want to know how we're going to keep merging master with WebGUI8 over and over | 22:53 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * rbaa7849 / (4 files in 4 dirs): | 22:54 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: fix #11285: Pasting HTML into Code Editor in IE | 22:54 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Conflicts: | 22:54 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt | 22:54 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js - http://bit.ly/d5zprY | 22:54 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r0041aee / (4 files in 4 dirs): fix #11285: Pasting HTML into Code Editor in IE - http://bit.ly/9eXAOB | 22:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | with wg8 taking so long, we don't have many options | 22:55 |
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| @preaction | true | 22:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | for example, the Thingy tests go into an infinite loop that I think I fixed in the master branch | 22:55 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r059cb42 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm : Update Thingy for Moose. - http://bit.ly/cmHoGR | 22:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | if you fix the caching, I bet the Article tests will pass | 22:57 |
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| @Haarg | i started looking at merging static_definition and WebGUI8, but the first things i ran into were conflicts regarding cache changes | 23:20 |
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| @preaction | well we're pulling out the changes to cache, and iirc those are the only changes in WebGUI8 | 23:20 |
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| @Haarg | other than some small stuff | 23:21 |
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| @preaction | the innodb stuff is in another branch, but i'll take a look anyway | 23:21 |
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| @Haarg | but we'll also want to merge in master | 23:21 |
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| @Haarg | i stopped working on the merge when i saw the cache changes because i know it is going to change | 23:21 |
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| @preaction | yes | 23:21 |
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| @Haarg | but on the other hand, a lot of the cache changes could still be relevant | 23:21 |
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| @preaction | also true, i'm going to save them before i go further | 23:22 |
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| @Haarg | since it changes to using $session->cache->something | 23:22 |
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| @preaction | hell, i could just mv WebGUI8 -> cache, mv static_definition -> WebGUI8, and then start merging stuff | 23:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | mv? | 23:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | not merge? | 23:32 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r63f829e / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Fix processTemplate for new instanciators and exception handling. - http://bit.ly/cpweHv | 23:50 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rd41affa / (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t): Update Survey for Moose and new accessors. Also update the tests. - http://bit.ly/9sJVne | 23:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | time to go fetch the kiddos | 00:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | the link underlining bug was assigned to dav | 01:02 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r34b513a / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SQLReport.pm : Partial update of SQLReport for Moose. Still needs to resolve i18n labels in the properties where the label is concatenated with a string. - http://bit.ly/db7Ldi | 01:56 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rfb87626 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Search.pm : Update Search for Moose. - http://bit.ly/cTX2DO | 02:03 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r5259184 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Search.pm : remove definition sub - http://bit.ly/apN9xj | 02:04 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r54fa46a / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ProjectManager.pm : Update ProjectManager for Moose. - http://bit.ly/9aOZiG | 02:10 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r3d1491a / (2 files): Updating Poll and MultiSearch for Moose. Poll conversion is not finished yet. - http://bit.ly/aUAsU7 | 02:37 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r3596944 / asset_status.ods : Updated status spreadsheet. - http://bit.ly/aherRs | 02:37 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r2cb4bc4 / (6 files): remove definition subroutine from these already converted assets. - http://bit.ly/cU4rDl | 02:40 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rdf2cc42 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/MessageBoard.pm : Update MessageBoard for Moose. - http://bit.ly/942FZI | 02:53 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r20aff04 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Update Matrix and MatrixListing for Moose. Needs the Comments Role in order to check tests further. - http://bit.ly/cX2LNl | 03:43 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings. | 03:54 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Got your message. | 03:54 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: What's needed for the UTF8 bug? (It's the SynContent one, right?) | 03:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, I thought you were going to have a look at it, then you got busy with school and all | 04:39 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Aha | 04:39 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: So, it's a matter of getting the tests running | 04:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | SquOnk: I believe so. Didn't Haarg send you some extra, non-core tests that were failing? | 04:40 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Yes, but I didn't bookmark it | 04:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm, let's check the IRC logs | 04:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | SquOnk: there is a little bit here: http://mentalhouse.net/irc/logs/webgui/2009-12.log | 04:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | but the log in January 2010 is spotty | 04:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | I do remember Haarg sending you a link, but that is all | 04:45 |
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| SquOnk | I'll ask him again tomorrow | 04:46 |
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| SquOnk | I have a long weekend ahead, since monday and tuesday are holidays here. | 04:46 |
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| SquOnk | No point in going to the office | 04:46 |
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| * perlDreamer suggests an email, instead of IRC talk | 04:46 |
| SquOnk | Well, off to sleep. | 04:52 |
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| SquOnk | Let's talk about it tomorrow | 04:52 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r213458d / (lib/WebGUI/Asset/MapPoint.pm lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Map.pm): Updating Map and MapPoint for Moose. - http://bit.ly/9Q0cke | 05:10 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r2ccfde2 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/MapPoint.pm : Removing definition subroutine. - http://bit.ly/dzSstP | 05:13 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r3d733a1 / lib/WebGUI/Definition/Role/Object.pm : Add subtext to list of form fields that will do i18n lookups. - http://bit.ly/9NylAx | 05:15 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rd3ea16a / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/InOutBoard.pm : Update InOutBoard for Moose. - http://bit.ly/96uquG | 05:20 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r4f2c549 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/InOutBoard.pm : remove the definition sub. - http://bit.ly/bxS33b | 05:21 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r03ccc7f / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/HttpProxy.pm : Update HttpProxy for Moose. - http://bit.ly/dAJRj1 | 05:29 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r3b4dd65 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/ZipArchive.pm : Update for Moose accessors - http://bit.ly/ar1ATI | 05:32 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r3e61af5 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Redirect.pm : Update Redirect for Moose. - http://bit.ly/cmaaob | 05:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | There are a lot of Assets in WebGUI | 05:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | 55 of them | 05:38 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r383eb73 / asset_status.ods : Updating status spreadsheet. - http://bit.ly/bg2J1j | 06:31 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r8c38f88 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/RichEdit.pm : RichEditor is updated for Moose. Still needs toolbar row support for editing. - http://bit.ly/cSuMiv | 06:32 |
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| elnino_laptop | ok experts!!! What do I need to know about putting videos on a website? what do I need to look at for bandwidth considerations? | 07:02 |
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| elnino_laptop | what is patspam's website? | 16:13 |
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| elnino_laptop | sorry, sdh's website | 16:13 |
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| elnino_laptop | oh never mind. foundit. | 16:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | whoa! Hordes of PB people in IRC. | 17:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, I'm sorry | 17:54 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, is there any reason to keep the moose-definition branch around? | 18:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | none that I can think of | 18:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's all merged into static_definition, so deleting the branch won't lose any history | 18:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | are you wg8'ing today, Haarg? | 18:46 |
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| @Haarg | i'll help if i can. i have a number of other things to do as well. | 18:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | if you want to slough off tasks to me to free you up for wg8, let me know | 18:48 |
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| @Haarg | it's client stuff | 18:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction said not to do any wg8 work today, due to merging | 18:49 |
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| @Haarg | it should be pretty easy to re-merge anything if you continued working, but playing it safe may be a good idea | 18:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | there are always bugs to fix :) | 18:50 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Graham Knop static_definition * rf037edf / lib/WebGUI/Definition.pm : always enable perl 5.10 features in Definition based classes - http://bit.ly/cGpqY7 | 18:50 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra2bdf95 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Add a M4A icon - http://bit.ly/chF2MU | 19:25 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r56223cc / (3 files in 3 dirs): Add a M4A icon - http://bit.ly/asmYep | 19:25 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r750aec8 / docs/migration.txt : Update migration docs for instanciators and Moose defintion. - http://bit.ly/c3OidC | 21:01 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r74ccbef / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Update POD in Asset.pm for ->new - http://bit.ly/9VCtEh | 21:01 |
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| @preaction | you know, now that i think about it, why are the following things assets? | 21:11 |
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| @preaction | Rich Editor, Template | 21:11 |
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| @Haarg | templates get versioning | 21:12 |
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| @preaction | okay, that'd be nice to keep | 21:12 |
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| @Haarg | rich editor that is of questionable value. | 21:13 |
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| @Haarg | versioning, organization, packaging, prototyping. | 21:13 |
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| @preaction | which reminds me that i want packages to be able to include stuff like workflows and settings | 21:14 |
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| @Haarg | i'm not sure how to do it, but it's worth thinking about combining packages and prototypes for in-site use, and have packages for exporting/importing as a separate system. | 21:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | how is the merge going? | 21:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm anxious to get the SQL Report back up to speed | 21:16 |
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| @preaction | still doing support | 21:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | am I clear to hack for a while then? | 21:16 |
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| @preaction | go for it | 21:16 |
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| @preaction | once i do support i have to fix TGC | 21:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | what needs to be fixed? | 21:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | or do you mean "neutered" :D | 21:16 |
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| @preaction | oh, well, it seems that i can't just add a row to the db, because building a page can take 20-40 minutes | 21:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | ugh | 21:17 |
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| @preaction | oh, and i checked on the stats of the mac they got in the office, and it's a 2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo with 2GB RAM | 21:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | that ought to build PDFs pretty easily | 21:18 |
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| @preaction | well, the server has 2 dual-core 2.4G processors with 4G RAM | 21:19 |
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| @preaction | and it takes 20-40 minutes (but it is niced down) | 21:19 |
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| @preaction | of course, modperl probably takes up 2G of that | 21:19 |
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| @preaction | (well, webgui entire) | 21:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | probably | 21:19 |
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| @preaction | but yes, i do believe that the mac sitting on that desk will have no problem handling PDF generation | 21:20 |
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| @preaction | i'm going to use my mac mini (less powerful than that mac) to test it | 21:20 |
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| @preaction | just because they said i couldn't do it, doesn't mean i can't spend my free time on it | 21:20 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rd6cbcf4 / (3 files in 3 dirs): getFormProperties now also passes i18n arguments to sprintf if requested. - http://bit.ly/ajNvcw | 21:33 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r98af8f2 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix SQL Report i18n for numbered labels. - http://bit.ly/94B14V | 22:00 |
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| doc777 | Hello friends :o) When using the latest wre / webgui what determines the default site shown when you pull up the server by ipaddress? I would like to change that... | 22:06 |
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| @preaction | doc777: the default vhost is the first vhost listed in the apache configuration | 22:11 |
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| @preaction | under the WRE, this is the first alphabetically | 22:11 |
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| @preaction | if you go into the etc/modproxy.conf file and look for "Include *.modproxy", if you put a <VirtualHost *:80> block before that, you can make a new default vhost | 22:11 |
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| doc777 | Yep, they are in alpha order. Thank you! | 22:11 |
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| doc777 | Ok great, I will check that out. | 22:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, before I go reinventing the wheel, did you figure out how to use WebGUI::Definition properties and attributes when creating roles? | 22:20 |
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| @Haarg | no, i haven't tried to do that | 22:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll think about it while I'm running | 22:24 |
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| doc777 | my webgui log is filling up with"/WebGUI/Content/FilePump.pm line 6". Is this something I should look into? :o) | 22:42 |
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| elnino | what is this "cloud computing" Someone was talking about using amazon ec2 for hosting a website? what??? | 00:37 |
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| @preaction | us pirg uses ec2 to host webgui sites | 00:57 |
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| @preaction | cap10morgan has worked with them (or does work for them) | 00:57 |
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| @preaction | i think, could be wrong | 00:57 |
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| +cap10morgan | yes that's correct | 00:59 |
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| +cap10morgan | but i'm leaving staff at the end of the month | 00:59 |
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| +cap10morgan | (and am running out the door right at the moment too, sorry) | 00:59 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r2799685 / asset_status.ods : Update status. - http://bit.ly/dxZuKc | 01:45 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r24e4d8d / lib/WebGUI/Asset/WikiPage.pm : Convert WikiPage over to Moose. Still needs roles. - http://bit.ly/94yiNo | 02:17 |
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| CIA-48 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r59d2808 / asset_status.ods : Updated with latest status. - http://bit.ly/bV2gca | 02:48 |
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| elnino | preaction - I just saw you're response about ec2 | 06:34 |
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| elnino | is us pirg a company? | 06:34 |
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| elnino | or typo =) | 06:34 |
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| elnino | and how is cloud computing differnet than just getting a server? | 06:34 |
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| carogray | helloooooooooo? | 15:30 |
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| carogray | does anyone know where I can find Steve's presentation on HTML expressions I think it was at the WUC 2009 where he gave examples of CASE statements? | 15:31 |
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| carogray | template expressions | 15:31 |
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| elnino | hello everyone! | 19:47 |
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| @Haarg | morning | 19:47 |
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| elnino | Hi oh quiet one! | 19:48 |
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| elnino | I haven't played with thingy much of late since 2008, is there a way to uplaod data to populate a thingy yet? and which version? | 19:48 |
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| @Haarg | like a csv import? | 19:49 |
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| elnino | yest that would work. The original db is msaccess (blech) | 19:49 |
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| elnino | s/yest/yes | 19:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | Thing has a www_import method | 19:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | so, I'll say "probably" | 19:51 |
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| elnino | do you know when that was added? | 19:51 |
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| @Haarg | it was always there | 19:51 |
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| elnino | I dont' recall the import... oh. ok. great. | 19:52 |
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| @Haarg | i've never used it though and i don't know where it is in the interface | 19:52 |
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| elnino | I'll play around with it some before I make promises to the customer. | 19:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, in the wg8 migration notes it says that fieldType cannot be a subref. Several assets have variable karma fields, depending on whether or not karma is enabled for a site. | 19:53 |
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| elnino | Id didn't remember the import in the interface either. | 19:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | Is there a different/recommended way for not showing a field? | 19:53 |
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| @Haarg | yes | 19:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | ...what is it? | 19:55 |
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| @Haarg | um | 19:55 |
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| @Haarg | maybe there isn't. i know it's something i discussed with jt when we were first doing wg8 definition stuff. | 19:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | Maybe it's in the FormBuilder stuff | 19:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll ask Doug via email | 19:56 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, looks like we were going with 'visible' => 0 | 20:04 |
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| @Haarg | 7f474ed7bc122277563b2b8614f362dafa00e651 | 20:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | what branch is that? | 20:05 |
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| @Haarg | static_definition pre-merge | 20:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | uh-oh | 20:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll add that back in | 20:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, migration.txt says to use noFormPost instead of visible | 20:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe there's a later, pre-merge version that removes that. | 20:07 |
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| mducharme | hrm.. anybody in here read japanese? | 20:09 |
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| mducharme | by any chance? lol | 20:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | Google does | 20:09 |
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| mducharme | the problem is I want to buy something online from japan, I don't think google would be able to translate https pages | 20:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | good point | 20:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | Hey, preaction! | 20:37 |
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| @preaction | sup | 20:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | Hacking and happy | 20:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | 'tis a good day so far | 20:38 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r5047410 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Subscription.pm : Remove definition sub. - http://bit.ly/9UBd5h | 21:03 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r97c233d / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/ThingyRecord.pm : Update ThingyRecord for Moose. - http://bit.ly/9rgEhb | 21:03 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rb48587c / (asset_status.ods lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/EMSBadge.pm): Update EMSBadge for Moose. Still needs a customDrawMethod replacement. - http://bit.ly/aKzsB3 | 21:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: I added a MapPoint icon this morning. | 21:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's nothing fancy | 21:15 |
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| @preaction | cool | 21:17 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r6c26c2e / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/EMSRibbon.pm : Update EMSRibbon for Moose. - http://bit.ly/bzD8pn | 21:19 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: better question re shipping-optional: why do paydrivers get their own address information? | 21:37 |
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| @preaction | ooh, best question: Wtf is that stupid address book thing? | 21:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | because sometimes people pay for things that go to another address | 21:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | re AddressBook: yup. | 21:38 |
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| @preaction | right, but why does every paydriver get the opportunity to grab an address in a different way? | 21:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | it reduces 1 screen | 21:38 |
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| @preaction | you don't fill in the bill address until you're in the paydriver | 21:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | if you intend to use the same pay address as ship address, then it's already filled out, and you don't need another screen that captures VISA number, etc. | 21:39 |
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| @preaction | if they really want to shorten the checkout process, i've got a wonderful, two-screen solution | 21:39 |
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| @preaction | two steps, that's it | 21:39 |
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| @preaction | you open the cart and if you don't have an address, it shows the form to put one (putting the "save address as..." field right inline. it also shows the option for a separate billing address right there, and then there's a series of buttons for each payment method | 21:40 |
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| @preaction | the second step is the paydriver's necessary information | 21:40 |
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| @preaction | then you're done | 21:40 |
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| * preaction is Marty Chang | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I have to enter in an address to see my cart? | 21:41 |
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| @preaction | no... it's below the cart | 21:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh, that's nice | 21:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | who is Marty Chang? | 21:42 |
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| @preaction | a short web series, his dad's asian | 21:43 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r4723f2d / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/EMSTicket.pm : Update EMSTicket for Moose. Needs custom draw method work. - http://bit.ly/cUYxQz | 21:45 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rd1a7619 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/EMSTicket.pm : Update EMSTicket for Moose. Needs customDrawMethod work. - http://bit.ly/9F7Otn | 21:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | 12 more assets to go | 21:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | for bulk conversion, at least | 21:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | then comes Roles and Keywords, and some customDrawMethods | 21:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think Poll may need a complete overhaul | 21:46 |
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| @preaction | oh most likely | 21:46 |
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| @preaction | why do we have isShippingRequired on Sku if we can't disable shipping information? | 21:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | That's on a per-sku basis | 21:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | if isShippingRequired is set to 0, it doesn't get added to the shipping drivers for weight and cost calculations | 21:48 |
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| @preaction | right, but if all products do not require shipping, why do we require a shipping address? | 21:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | for calculating taxes :D | 21:49 |
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| @preaction | but taxes are calculated with the billing address | 21:49 |
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| @tavisto | shorten the checkout you say? I say... HOORAY | 21:49 |
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| @tavisto | ;) | 21:49 |
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| @preaction | they MUST be calculated with the billing address, it's the rules | 21:49 |
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| @preaction | tavisto: Paul would have done it, but it seems someone else might get to it first | 21:50 |
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| @preaction | if I can convince them to go all the way, instead of just what they want (remove shipping) | 21:50 |
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| @preaction | ... great, it uses the shipping address to calculate taxes | 21:51 |
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| @preaction | so now i get to go look up interstate commerce law and find out who is responsible for the taxes | 21:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's supposed to be based on billing address | 21:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | if I buy something from Wisconsin, and have it sent to Wisconsin, there should be no sales tax | 21:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | only because "i" in this case is in Oregon | 21:52 |
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| @preaction | right, because you are in oregon. you would have to pay oregon sales tax when filling out your next oregon state tax form | 21:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | yup | 21:53 |
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| @preaction | there's a little field for it, that everyone just puts 0 for | 21:53 |
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| @preaction | ooh, good article on the subject: http://www.netchoice.org/library/the-collection-of-out-of-state-sales-taxes-myth-vs-reality.html | 21:55 |
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| * perlDreamer will read it later this afternoon | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | but for now, time to punish the streets of Hillsboro | 21:58 |
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| @preaction | you show that concrete who's on top! | 21:58 |
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| juan | hi | 22:04 |
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| @preaction | hi | 22:04 |
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| juan | i have an error when i tried to edit a profile field | 22:05 |
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| juan | the error is the next | 22:05 |
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| juan | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m3fa1b420 | 22:06 |
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| @preaction | what is WebGUI::Form::interval123? a custom form plugin? | 22:07 |
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| juan | please wait, i am going to check | 22:08 |
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| juan | i have moved interval123 to another location in the server and the error desappear | 22:13 |
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| juan | i am going to check that custom plugin | 22:14 |
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| juan | if i want to include another language in my site, i have downloaded the respective language and i have put it in the i18 folder like the default language | 22:16 |
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| juan | is there another thing to do besides of it? | 22:16 |
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| @preaction | nope | 22:18 |
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| juan | because spanish is 99% translated, and i put in my language selection, visitor has spanish as a default language, but one calendar that i have in the site has some word in english | 22:20 |
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| juan | an the words are translated in spanish | 22:21 |
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| juan | the part related with event details, where is located? in which of the files? I want to verify if it is translated. | 22:25 |
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| @preaction | it's in Asset_Event probably | 22:26 |
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| juan | checking... | 22:28 |
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| juan | yes in that file the phrases are translated | 22:30 |
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| juan | but i continue seeing them in english | 22:31 |
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| juan | any ideas about it? | 22:41 |
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| @Haarg | what version of webgui are you using? you might want to check the template to see how it is displaying the labels. | 22:42 |
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| juan | the version is 7.6.15 | 22:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | I did a ton of translation work for Event in 7.7 | 23:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | in the future, I'd like to be able to reject new assets without i18n in them | 23:29 |
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| @preaction | we do that now | 23:29 |
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| @preaction | just didn't do that in 7.3 | 23:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: I thought all form properties were automatically autogenerate => 1, and we weren't allowed to do anything other than noFormPost? | 23:35 |
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| @preaction | what are we talking about? new or old | 23:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | new | 23:35 |
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| @preaction | for new, there will be a getEditForm method in WebGUI::Asset that will take $self->meta->get_all_properties and build a WebGUI::FormBuilder object | 23:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | and how do I tell getEditForm that I have a property, like karma, that does not need to be displayed? noFormPost => sub { return ! shift->session->setting->get('useKarma'); | 23:37 |
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| @preaction | that would be part of WebGUI::Definition | 23:38 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * reb826c7 / asset_status.ods : Checkin of status spreadsheet. - http://bit.ly/adromw | 23:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: that makes sense. I had to think on it for a while | 00:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | pretty soon we're going to need an upgrade of wgd to WebGUI 8 | 00:48 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r44f0350 / (2 files): Updating Gallery for Moose. - http://bit.ly/96FgVI | 00:56 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r9c7bbc8 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/WikiPage.pm : Remove override of update and use Moose method modifiers instead. - http://bit.ly/9OofNb | 01:11 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r02a257e / lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/GalleryFile.pm : Update GalleryFile for Moose. - http://bit.ly/asaAXb | 01:18 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rba56fe4 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo.pm : Update Photo for Moose. - http://bit.ly/cmGWui | 01:28 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r27e30c7 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum.pm : Note that per album allowing of comments is doable, but not exposed to the UI yet. - http://bit.ly/bVic6x | 01:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, 4 hours ago I had 12 assets to go | 01:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | I found 4 more, but we're down to about 9 | 01:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | WebGUI ships with about 65 assets, including the base classes for Wobject and Sku | 01:32 |
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| @preaction | yay! | 01:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | then we have to make them editable | 01:33 |
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| @preaction | editable? | 01:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, like able to call func=edit | 01:33 |
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| @preaction | ahhhhh | 01:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | this batch of work just gets you assets from an API standpoint | 01:33 |
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| @preaction | that requires merging fb and static_definition | 01:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | that would help a ton | 01:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | Plus, I think I want to write a Trait or Role that makes isHidden=1 all the time | 01:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's probably a role | 01:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I'm still stuck on the how to write a base for all Asset Roles to inherit from, that provides the same property/aspect sugar that Assets use. | 01:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe I should spend some time in #moose | 01:40 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r0a2f5e0 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Story.pm : Update Story for Moose. - http://bit.ly/aXYnr5 | 01:42 |
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| elnino | perlDreamer, I don't know. not a clue. | 01:45 |
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| elnino | I'm leaving. bb ltr | 01:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | l8r | 01:45 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rb7f79a5 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.pm : Update StoryArchive for Moose. - http://bit.ly/dgp4ZY | 01:46 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rfe6ec3f / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/StoryTopic.pm : Update StoryTopic for Moose. Needs Rss Role. - http://bit.ly/aWFiJJ | 01:51 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r72d0361 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm : Update Post for Moose. - http://bit.ly/9oHdX2 | 02:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | one more for today, then I get to write a Role | 02:18 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | bummer, missed bartjol this morning | 17:35 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r549a6db / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post/Thread.pm : Update Thread for Moose. - http://bit.ly/drQyEu | 17:41 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r1d777d4 / asset_status.ods : Update status spreadsheet. - http://bit.ly/9lJDYU | 17:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | this could be my favorite newspaper article, ever: http://www.oregonlive.com/foodday/index.ssf/2010/02/divine_drippings.html | 18:18 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r498b961 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix a template variable typo. Fixes bug #11411. - http://bit.ly/cUztbw | 18:22 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r7db6470 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix a template variable typo. Fixes bug #11411. - http://bit.ly/cZPFcS | 18:22 |
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| @preaction | but it's still bacon grease | 18:22 |
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| @preaction | i mean, i've got plenty of beef tallow sitting on my counter right now, but i'll end up throwing it away next garbage day | 18:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | mmmm bacon grease | 18:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | chicken drippings | 18:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | beef tallow | 18:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | and lard | 18:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | butter is good, too | 18:23 |
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| ckotil | mmmm | 18:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, Haarg | 18:32 |
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| @Haarg | morning | 18:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | any thoughts on where to put asset roles? | 18:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | for lack of anything better, I was thinking AssetRoles | 18:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | lib/WebGUI/AssetRoles | 18:36 |
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| @Haarg | seems fine to me | 18:36 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rabaeab3 / (8 files in 5 dirs): Refactor code to force assets to always be hidden into a role and use it. - http://bit.ly/9Kmmyz | 18:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | roles are awesome | 18:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | 10 lines of code per module replaced by with 'WebGUI::AssetRole::AlwaysHidden'; | 18:50 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r90facc4 / (4 files in 3 dirs): Refactor code for updating storage location file permissions into a Role. - http://bit.ly/aYB6B0 | 18:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | gym time | 19:07 |
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| @frodwith | I just wrote some roles for $client, and had stuck them in WebGUI::Asset::Role::$_ | 19:47 |
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| doc777 | Hello friends. I have a dilemma. We have an older webgui server (07.05.23) and have built a new one (07.07.32). I need to get the sites off the old, onto the new... | 20:16 |
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| doc777 | When I try to upgrade the old to 07.07.32 by running upgrade.pl it comes back with NO UPGRADES NECESSARY. Which I find hard to believe as the old db has 161 tables and the new 173. | 20:17 |
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| @preaction | you cannot upgrade from 7.5 to 7.7 directly. you must upgrade to 7.6 first | 20:44 |
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| doc777 | So I need to download 7.6, install, upgrade and then move onto 7.7 correct? | 20:46 |
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| @Haarg | you need to first upgrade to 7.5.40, then the last 7.6, then you can upgrade to 7.7.x | 20:46 |
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| doc777 | Is that 3 separate downloads? ( This is a source install on gentoo btw ) | 20:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | yup, 3 | 20:47 |
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| @Haarg | well, you already have the 7.7 version | 20:48 |
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| doc777 | Ok thanks, I don't mind downloading. I just did not know if there were files contained IN the 7.7 for backdating. :o) | 20:48 |
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| doc777 | It appears not, so I need to download the other two. | 20:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | frodwith, I thought about that kind of class hierarchy, but the Roles I'm writing aren't subclasses of Asset.pm, so I though parallel would be better. | 20:53 |
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| @frodwith | perlDreamer: how about WebGUI::Role::Asset::$_ then? | 20:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's not bad | 20:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | and it makes a home for all future roles that we might share across classes, like JSON in the db handling | 20:55 |
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| @frodwith | right | 20:55 |
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| @preaction | i agree with WebGUI::Role::Asset | 20:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | you know, the more involved y'all get now, the less of my horrible programming you'll have to clean up later | 20:56 |
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| * frodwith keeps trying to remember to lurk on IRC. Maybe it will work this time. | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | does your IRC client when you're pinged, frodwith? | 20:57 |
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| @frodwith | I think you're missing a verb in there | 20:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | "beep" | 20:58 |
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| @frodwith | ah, yes. I get growls. | 20:58 |
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| @frodwith | I just don't always have the thing on | 20:58 |
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| @frodwith | the irc client, I mean | 20:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's odd, for as often as you're in the room | 21:00 |
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| @frodwith | I have irssi sitting on a server in Milwaukee somewhere that I proxy through | 21:00 |
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| @frodwith | it's always connected, I'm just not always connected to it | 21:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | I see | 21:01 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r7caa3e3 / (12 files in 5 dirs): Move AssetRole to Role::Asset, and update all client modules. - http://bit.ly/bKcsaJ | 21:01 |
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| @frodwith | the -idea- is, I can go read the backlog on there after I've been off for a while and see if someone's trying to ping me | 21:01 |
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| @frodwith | and that works pretty well when I remember to do it | 21:01 |
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| doc777 | Welp, when upgrading from 7.5.33 - 7.5.34 it fails with: .mysqldump: Couldn't execute 'show fields from `Calendar`': Incorrect key file for table '/tmp/#sql_68ab_0.MYI' | 21:07 |
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| doc777 | All the upgrades from 7.5.23 till there seemed to go fine. | 21:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | that sounds like there's a problem with your db. I'd restore from the pre-upgrade backup, and run myisamchk on the WebGUI databases. | 21:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | be sure you restore EVERYTHING, the codebase, the config files, the upgrades area AND the db | 21:11 |
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| doc777 | Ok, will do. Thanks for all the help everyone :o) | 21:11 |
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| carogray1 | perldreamer: just responding to your post on support board about different tabs for different mail forms...ok to ask here or do I have to use the suppport board - trying to clarify your tabs explanation. | 21:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | better to ask on the boards, so if someone else has to pick up the thread all the info is in 1 place | 21:29 |
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| carogray1 | k - just about to .. would you please answer me there, cause I think I may have a few questions? | 21:30 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r7c86686 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm : Update Collaboration for Moose. - http://bit.ly/9mMPYu | 21:36 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r6287ebd / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration/Newsletter.pm : Update Newsletter for Moose. - http://bit.ly/bmmOAx | 21:48 |
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| doc777 | Well, I completely restored the webgui folder, the mysql databases and even the domains folder. Checked and repaired the db (3 times for good measure) and then started the upgrade. It got to the same spot and hung again with: mysqldump: Couldn't execute 'show fields from `Calendar`': Incorrect key file for table '/tmp/#sql_2be9_0.MYI'; | 21:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | which version of mysql are you using, doc777? and are you using the WRE? | 21:50 |
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| doc777 | Not using the wre on the old but am on the new server... Most of the reason we are trying to migrate. The old server is a gentoo source, mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.54, for pc-linux-gnu (i686) using readline 5.2 | 21:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | running the upgrade on the new, or the old? | 21:52 |
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| doc777 | Trying to upgrade the old server so we could export into the new... | 21:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm, googling for that shows this: http://www.electrictoolbox.com/mysql-incorrect-key-file-for-table-error/ | 21:53 |
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| doc777 | Is there a better method? | 21:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | but you said you repaired the database... | 21:53 |
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| doc777 | Yea, I repaired and it checks out ok after. | 21:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | how's the diskspace on all the partitions? | 21:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | btw, all I'm doing is looking at google results for the error message you posted | 21:55 |
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| doc777 | Yea, I been googling myself a bit. It may be a mysql bug but not sure. Plenty of free space. | 21:56 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * re5d4715 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Carousel.pm : Update Carousel for Moose. - http://bit.ly/awlQEW | 21:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | phew, lunch time | 21:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't have to do the Dashboard yet | 21:59 |
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| doc777 | Raha! Turns out that I had made /tmp small and non executable on a separate partition ( 2 years ago). So it was running out of space after doing the backup. Even though there are a few hundred gigs free on the drive there is not in the tmp folder. Thanks for the help everyone! | 22:08 |
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| carogray1 | with PerlDreamer off to lunch - anyone want to check out my attempt to use Case Statement in Template Toolkit - one template for different mail forms? on https://www.plainblack.com/plain_black_support/12170 ? I was supposed to have this figured out last Friday, but the week before was a big week for lots of things ...including 2 piglets who ended up spending nights with me and needing feeding every 90 minutes...I now have them up t | 22:19 |
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| @preaction | carogray1: only plain black support staff can read the plain black support boards | 22:23 |
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| carogray1 | oh bother. | 22:43 |
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| carogray1 | I could post it here and pastebin and then repost on support board for people following thread on support board? | 22:44 |
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| carogray1 | sorry to sound impatient. | 22:44 |
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| doc777 | I wonder if I can import a 7.6.35 site onto a 7.7.32 server and upgrade from there? | 22:51 |
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| @preaction | doc777: you should be able to, yes | 22:52 |
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| doc777 | Great, that will be much easier :o) | 22:53 |
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| doc777 | When using Webgui from source to upgrade you would run /data/WebGUI/sbin/upgrade.pl... But when running the wre this command fails because of the perl modules it cannot find. What is the proper upgrade command? /data/wre/sbin/webguiupdate.pl? | 00:02 |
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| @preaction | you need to be using the WRE's environment, first do "source /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh", then do "cd /data/WebGUI/sbin; perl upgrade.pl" | 00:06 |
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| doc777 | Aha! Thank you :o) | 00:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: once the Code Editor gobbles the newlines in 7.7.32, they're completely gone right? There's no way to recover them. | 01:37 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rb6048b7 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Dashboard.pm : Update Dashboard for Moose. - http://bit.ly/d5DlA1 | 01:51 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * raa17ac4 / asset_status.ods : Update status sheet with last Asset. - http://bit.ly/bstIri | 01:51 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r9362243 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Poll.pm : More Poll fixes. - http://bit.ly/cLes9N | 01:51 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r1b647c7 / docs/migration.txt : Add docs about the new API. - http://bit.ly/aNSn1I | 01:51 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rec52088 / (9 files in 3 dirs): Remove getValue from Assets, except for those in getEditForm which will go away later. - http://bit.ly/9Wwkj2 | 01:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | I converted the last Asset to Moose today. | 02:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | Now we just have to make them editable, viewable and fix any bugs in them... | 02:07 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5854e95 / lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm : Refix the thumbnail url problem with Storage so that it throws an error when no filename is passed. - http://bit.ly/be4EGe | 02:08 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r25274c5 / lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm : Refix the thumbnail url problem with Storage so that it throws an error when no filename is passed. - http://bit.ly/ablkF0 | 02:08 |
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| @frodwith | can anyone give me the story on the HTTP_SSLPROXY variable? perlDreamer and Haarg logs seem to come up, maybe one of you two | 02:41 |
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| @Haarg | basically, webgui needs to know if you are using ssl or not | 02:42 |
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| @Haarg | and given that we use mod_proxy, all requests are always coming in http and not https | 02:42 |
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| @Haarg | so we have mod_proxy adding a header to indicate that it is actually using https | 02:43 |
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| @Haarg | in the past, it also needed a line in the mod_perl config to turn the header into a ENV variable | 02:43 |
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| @Haarg | but i changed it to use the header variable directly so it doesn't need that line | 02:43 |
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| @frodwith | Haarg++. Thanks! | 02:44 |
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| @Haarg | there is also the X-Forwarded-SSL (i think) header which is an emerging de facto standard for doing the same thing | 02:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | should we swap to that in wg7.9? | 02:48 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: maybe? i don't know, probably | 02:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | I love your hard-nosed definitiveness | 02:52 |
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| @preaction | aren't they replaced with $1? | 02:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, seems like they're gone | 02:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | I get about 1.5 hours of dead time during kids' piano lessons tonight, so i'll fire up IE8 and see what's up | 02:53 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3b2d849 / lib/WebGUI/Session/Env.pm : Document where HTTP_SSLPROXY comes from, and why. - http://bit.ly/beUdI6 | 02:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | bbl | 02:58 |
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| @Haarg | looks like the header is X-Forwarded-Proto actually | 03:01 |
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| @Haarg | and WebGUI already supports it | 03:01 |
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| @Haarg | but the wre still uses SSLPROXY for back compat | 03:02 |
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| @preaction | well, in theory mod_proxy would do X-Forwarded-Proto automatically, but it doesn't | 03:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | ....installing IE8.... | 04:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | boring | 04:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: I can duplicate the bug in master (7.8.12.tonight) | 04:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | any chance you can look at it before 8:30pm my time? | 04:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | opera works fine | 04:25 |
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| @preaction | sorry, am in MadMongers meeting | 04:28 |
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| @preaction | but i think i know the cause, give me one sec to make a patch | 04:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | you patch, I'll test | 04:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | either that, or throw me a line and I'll patch it on my end | 04:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | line = some kind of clue to fix it | 04:29 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Doug Bell fb * r4d14973 / (3 files in 3 dirs): perltidy - http://bit.ly/btCGCP | 04:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | dang it, now it's working fine! | 04:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | what's up with that | 04:31 |
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| @preaction | ... good, because i can't fix it easily :( | 04:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe it's timing related | 04:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | since I added an alert to show some code, and it started working | 04:34 |
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| @preaction | did you remove the alert and it stopped working? | 04:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | yup | 04:35 |
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| @preaction | vunderbal | 04:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/306227 | 04:36 |
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| @preaction | there are Lang.later( XX, function...) calls, try increasing the numbers? | 04:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | nope | 04:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | I can't do it repeatedly | 04:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's possible that I didn't clear out enough history in IE | 04:50 |
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| @preaction | that's still weird though | 04:51 |
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| @preaction | but i hate browser cache | 04:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | let's blame it on tavisto | 04:53 |
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| @preaction | tavisto's fault... why does he do this to me? | 04:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | you'd think he'd be grateful for all the TGC work we do for him | 04:55 |
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| @preaction | as though, he's never grateful for anything | 04:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | I found another game store to promote TGC to | 04:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | that'll be next Tuesday | 04:56 |
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| @preaction | yay! | 04:56 |
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| @tavisto | I didnt do anything I swear | 04:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh ya sure | 04:57 |
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| @preaction | THAT'S THE ENTIRE PROBLEM | 04:58 |
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| @tavisto | well aside from pushing that big red button | 04:58 |
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| @preaction | you never do anything! | 04:58 |
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| @tavisto | but that couldn't have hurt anything | 04:58 |
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| @tavisto | *sniff sniff* you guys are mean | 04:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | you haven't seen anything yet, we're just getting warmed up | 04:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | fixing IE bugs makes us grumpy | 04:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's Pre Microsoft Syndome | 04:59 |
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| @tavisto | well now you've motivated me... | 04:59 |
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| @preaction | and Post Microsoft Syndrome | 04:59 |
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| @tavisto | to kill a pb dev | 04:59 |
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| @preaction | .... JT? | 04:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | good thing I'm just a contractor | 04:59 |
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| @tavisto | nope | 04:59 |
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| @tavisto | *click* | 05:00 |
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| @preaction | NOOOOOOOOOoooooooo | 05:00 |
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| @tavisto | *click* | 05:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | you can't shoot Haarg, he's on the injured list | 05:00 |
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| @tavisto | I'm gonna have to kill the guy with the Kitchenaid sissy mixer | 05:00 |
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| @tavisto | *looks at Preaction* | 05:00 |
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| @tavisto | *boom | 05:01 |
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| @preaction | sissy? it's a MAN TOOL | 05:01 |
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| @preaction | i bet i could hide a few bodies with that thing | 05:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | or at least whip them into shape | 05:03 |
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| @tavisto | define shape | 05:03 |
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| @tavisto | and I just called minority report on you guys... | 05:03 |
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| @preaction | but i'm the silent majority! | 05:04 |
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| @tavisto | for thinking about committing a crime | 05:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | tavisto, there are forum postings waiting for you on TGC | 05:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | something about a custom 20 board order for 16x16 folding boards | 05:05 |
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| @tavisto | im sorry, tavisto is not here right now... | 05:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | can you send me extra swag for a gaming convention in Portland? | 05:07 |
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| @tavisto | this is computron, his automated answering service | 05:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | posters, t-shirts, beer coasters, stickers, the whole works | 05:07 |
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| @tavisto | no, maybe, no, yes, and flyers | 05:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | how about those cute little temporary tattoos? | 05:08 |
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| @tavisto | you're fired. | 05:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | you're just jealous that you didn't think of the tattoos first | 05:10 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0e01b23 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.8.12 release. - http://bit.ly/ckA83f | 06:52 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r725c40f / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.8.13 development cycle. - http://bit.ly/9J21Jh | 07:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | yay, 7.8.13 is out | 07:36 |
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| @preaction | yay! | 07:36 |
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| @preaction | you mean 7.8.12? | 07:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, I went into the future and pulled the bugfix for the code editor back | 07:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | so technically is is 7.8.13 | 07:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | but you don't have to fix it anymore | 07:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | because you will | 07:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | I mean have | 07:37 |
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| @preaction | jolly good of future me to do then | 07:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | You're a mensch | 07:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | all of the Assets have been Moose'd in wg8 | 07:39 |
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| @preaction | yay! | 07:41 |
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| CIA-60 | WebGUI: translation * r12438 /translations/German/German/Asset_Photo.pm: Updating German on translation server | 10:54 |
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| CIA-60 | WebGUI: translation * r12439 /translations/German/German/Asset_Photo.pm: Updating German on translation server | 11:11 |
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| CIA-60 | WebGUI: translation * r12440 /translations/German/German/AuthLDAP.pm: Updating German on translation server | 11:11 |
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| CIA-60 | WebGUI: translation * r12441 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (Asset_Photo.pm AuthLDAP.pm): Updating Dutch on translation server | 11:11 |
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| CIA-60 | WebGUI: translation * r12442 /translations/German/German/Asset_Story.pm: Updating German on translation server | 11:25 |
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| CIA-60 | WebGUI: translation * r12443 /translations/German/German/AdSpace.pm: Updating German on translation server | 12:13 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:29 |
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| +bartjol | hi | 16:35 |
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| SDuensin | Hi bartjol | 16:40 |
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| +bartjol | manual sql changes after upgrades is not among my favorite things | 16:41 |
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| SDuensin | Oh hell no. That sucks! | 16:42 |
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| +bartjol | I know | 16:43 |
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| +bartjol | but I'm done know | 16:44 |
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| SDuensin | Any time that upgrade script fails, I get a horrible sense of dread. | 16:46 |
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| +bartjol | well, it was on something custom | 16:52 |
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| SDuensin | You ever hear of "eBox"? | 16:54 |
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| +bartjol | nope | 16:55 |
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| SDuensin | Web-based network management thing. I keep toying with the idea of using it to run my empire. Looks like it'd be pretty easy to add WebGUI support to it. | 16:57 |
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| +bartjol | as long as they have a stable api | 16:58 |
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| SDuensin | They do. And it's in Perl! | 16:59 |
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| +bartjol | great | 17:01 |
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| SynQ | an empire based on perl? | 17:04 |
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| SynQ | I know that your powers of retention... | 17:05 |
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| SynQ | retension? | 17:05 |
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| SynQ | lalala | 17:05 |
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| SDuensin | My power isn't so much in Perl, but it seems all my software is. | 17:05 |
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| SDuensin | I dunno. I should just write my own so I get exactly what I want. | 17:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | gotta run kids to school, bbiab | 17:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | phew | 17:55 |
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| SDuensin | That was fast. | 17:55 |
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| +bartjol | ah, perlDreamer is Overtoom | 17:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | Overtoom? | 17:58 |
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| +bartjol | yeah, a transport company that adeverted with their speed | 17:59 |
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| +bartjol | advertised | 17:59 |
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| SDuensin | Uh, Google Buzz is magically finding my WebGUI sites and asking if I want my activity on them added to my Buzz stream. Freaky. | 18:38 |
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| +MrHairgrease | perlDeamer | 18:38 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I found a solution to my Moose problem | 18:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | http://gist.github.com/307789 | 18:39 |
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| SDuensin | Statements like that make me laugh. :-) | 18:42 |
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| doc777 | Hello friends. We have been trying to upgrade from a 7.5.23 source server to a new 7.7.32 wre server. Its been fun :o) We copied the "domain" folder over, the db over, incrementally upgraded it successfully. But the site looks smashed. | 18:58 |
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| SDuensin | Erase your caches? | 18:59 |
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| doc777 | Hrrm... great idea. Let me try that :o) | 18:59 |
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| * SDuensin always forgets that! | 19:00 |
| +bartjol | haven't there also been some template changes? | 19:07 |
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| @preaction | most likely, yes | 19:08 |
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| doc777 | Clearing the cache brought all the images back. Thank you. We knew there would be some things broken but was not expecting what we first saw :o) | 19:08 |
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| SDuensin | hehe | 19:09 |
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| SDuensin | YW | 19:09 |
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| +bartjol | well, one mistery solved | 19:10 |
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| +bartjol | it is better than from 5.5 | 19:10 |
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| ckotil | found a bug with searching in 7.6.35 when using quotes around parenthesis http://www.pastebin.org/93678 | 19:32 |
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| ckotil | another similiar bug seems to be when searching for a string that is surounded by parenthesis. it returns nothing | 19:32 |
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| ckotil | ill try to replicate it in the demo before filing a bug report | 19:33 |
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| KlausH | Hi, anyone remebers the old event calendar, version 7.2.2? I'm lookin for the internationalized template variable start.month . There I have an encoding error and cannot locate the corresponding file with the translation to correct the error. | 19:45 |
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| ckotil | anything think it makes sense for asset keywords to be searched before asset descriptions? i set an assets keyword to monkey, then have two assets with monkey in the description. the asset w/ keyword set to monkey came up last. | 21:45 |
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| ckotil | i think it makes sense to use keywords to promote search results, so they should be searched first so as to improve the order they are returned | 21:46 |
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| @preaction | ckotil: we use mysql's fulltext search to find results, we don't have a lot of control over how the relevance level is calculated, but it would be a good RFE | 21:51 |
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| @preaction | we do want to replace search with something else, but that's a bigger RFE | 21:52 |
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| ckotil | i was hoping keywords were searched separatly then descriptions | 21:59 |
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| @preaction | nope, keywords are appended to the rest of the index | 22:07 |
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| ckotil | ok | 22:07 |
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| ckotil | thanks for clarifying | 22:09 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r5a31bc8 / asset_status.ods : Status update from fixing group reset. - http://bit.ly/9a03qB | 22:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, have you committed the changes that you mentioned two days ago? | 00:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | the ones that might simplify the Roles? | 00:52 |
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| @Haarg | nope | 00:52 |
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| @Haarg | haven't gotten it working | 00:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | good, that explains why I don't see them :) | 00:52 |
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| @Haarg | one change that could be done right away is moving the property code into meta->add_property | 00:53 |
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| @Haarg | and if you think it is a good way to do it, remove Moose from the with clause on the build_import_methods call | 00:54 |
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| @Haarg | which means it would have to be manually imported into all of the classes, but you would also be able to use it in a Moose::Role class | 00:54 |
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| @Haarg | haven't tested that though | 00:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | wouldn't the first get rid of the sugar? | 00:54 |
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| @Haarg | no, i mean move the internals | 00:55 |
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| @Haarg | and have property call ->add_property | 00:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | that would help | 00:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think I'm going to have to build a Role base class, that is inherited by all Asset Roles, which parallels WebGUI::Definition | 00:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, if we make property and define into Roles, we can apply them to Definition.pm, and to whatever Role base class I build | 01:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think... | 01:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | in fact, if everything was a role, we may be able to mix and match all the pieces together | 01:30 |
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| @Haarg | i'm not sure about WebGUI::Definition working as a role | 01:30 |
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| @Haarg | because it isn't really being included in the class it is used in, it is just a utility | 01:31 |
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| @Haarg | i'm attempting to make the rest of it into roles | 01:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah yeah, providing the property and define methods and the rest | 01:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | this is a very different way of thinking about building classes | 01:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think we're stuck duplicating the code | 01:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | Moose::Role reimplements a bunch of Moose in order to work | 01:53 |
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| @frodwith | it reimplements a bunch of the sugar, because it has different semantics in roles | 01:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | right, and that's exactly what we want, only we want WebGUI::Definition sugar into a "base class" that all WebGUI roles could use | 01:54 |
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| @frodwith | oh, I don't know what's in WG::D I guess | 01:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | it provides two methods, property and define | 01:55 |
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| @frodwith | that's the property sugar? | 01:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah | 01:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | and Asset Roles want the same thing | 01:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | because sometimes they have their own tables on the side that stores data | 01:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | like RssFeed, Comment, Subscribable, etc | 01:56 |
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| @preaction | Did You Know? We could use nginx to completely replace apache, it has perl support! | 01:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: that'd never work. You can't even pronounce nginx | 01:56 |
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| @preaction | eNGINeX | 01:57 |
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| @frodwith | you can tell how cool people are by if they try to say "nuhginks" | 01:57 |
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| @frodwith | if they say it properly, it means they've been drinking from the web 2.0 firehose | 01:57 |
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| @preaction | ooh! a firehose! | 01:58 |
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| @preaction | async http > * | 01:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | what if they're Vietnamese, and can say ng as a real phoneme? | 02:00 |
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| @frodwith | Then we're really in trouble. | 02:00 |
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| @frodwith | so, more seriously | 02:00 |
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| @frodwith | property breaks if you try to do it in a role? | 02:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | I can't do "use Moose::Roles; use WebGUI::Definition::Asset;" at the same time | 02:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | Moose barfs: WebGUI::Role::Asset::RssFeed already has a metaclass, but it does not inherit WebGUI::Definition::Meta::Asset | 02:03 |
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| @frodwith | so you need a WebGUI::Definition::Role that does the sugar-magic for roles like Definition::Asset does for classes | 02:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | right, and it would be best if the code wasn't just copy/paste of WG::D and wG::D::A | 02:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | since we'd need both wG::D::Role, and wG::D::Role::Asset | 02:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | so that non-Assets could have roles that work similarly | 02:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | like the JSONCollateral thing | 02:07 |
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| @frodwith | I'm looking at this from down a tunnel of unfamiliarity, obviously, but it looks like you could do a role metaclass just like this asset metaclass that calls WG::D's magic. It looks like WG::D::A is a pretty thin wrapper. | 02:07 |
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| @frodwith | but I probably just don't understand what we're talking about. So I'm going to go take a walk in the unexpectedly beautiful weather. :) | 02:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's okay. I understand what I want, but not how to get it | 02:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | so we're well matched | 02:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think it's time for a walk in #moose | 02:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | or a blog posting... | 02:09 |
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| SynQ | morning | 11:10 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r381e1ff / lib/WebGUI/Role/Asset/RssFeed.pm : Remove stub. Use requires to force the sub. - http://bit.ly/apHbKx | 11:36 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:31 |
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| +bartjol | morning, but you know it's almost beer o'clock | 16:57 |
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| SDuensin | Have a beer for me. I really could use one already! | 16:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | me too! | 16:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Bart! | 16:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Bieerrrrrr! | 16:59 |
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| +bartjol | oh, sorry | 17:00 |
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| +bartjol | 10 minutes | 17:00 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oki | 17:00 |
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| SDuensin | Either of you fine gents ever see anyone use WebGUI with one of those funk-o-matic hosting control panels? | 17:00 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I can hold out that long | 17:00 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Konsole is my func-o-matic control panel | 17:00 |
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| SDuensin | I meant for end users. :-P | 17:00 |
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| SDuensin | I want to automate my hosting, but I also don't really feel like writing my own tools. | 17:01 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I think plaiblack wrote something like that for themselves | 17:02 |
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| SDuensin | I tried gluing Thingy to some custom code, but that never worked right. | 17:02 |
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| +MrHairgrease | maybe if you ask very friendly | 17:02 |
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| SDuensin | Yea, they did. It's in GIT somewhere. | 17:02 |
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| SDuensin | My problem with using something like that is... I'm going to have to cave in and do generic LAMP hosting. Too many people want PHP crap. | 17:03 |
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| +bartjol | oh sorry martin, it appears we're still on the coffee | 17:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | tim e to quit that bad bad habit | 17:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and get me a beer | 17:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and yourself as well of course | 17:35 |
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| SDuensin | Beer flavored coffee? Hmmm... :-) | 17:36 |
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| +bartjol | nou, vooruit | 17:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | nope | 17:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | beer flavoured beer | 17:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hmmmmmm | 17:37 |
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| * SDuensin bought more beer flavo(u)red beer last night. | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | the proof of the beer is in the drinking | 17:38 |
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| +MrHairgrease | not the buying | 17:38 |
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| SDuensin | Yea. Working up to that. | 17:38 |
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| +bartjol | buying beer and not drinking it is desecration | 17:40 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hear hear | 17:40 |
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| SDuensin | Well it has to get cold first! We American's aren't savages likes some of you folks! | 17:40 |
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| +bartjol | we only make beer that keeps itself cold | 17:41 |
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| SDuensin | Sweet! | 17:41 |
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| SDuensin | We only make colo(u)red water we call "beer". | 17:42 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh yeah | 17:42 |
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| +MrHairgrease | what's the link between Bud and having sex in a canoe? | 17:43 |
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| SDuensin | Ok, Mr. Python. | 17:43 |
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| SDuensin | It's Frackin close to water! | 17:43 |
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| +MrHairgrease | harharhar | 17:43 |
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| +bartjol | what's that music? | 17:53 |
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| SDuensin | We have some Dixieland on here. | 17:53 |
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| +bartjol | mmm, that's not what I'm hearing from Martin's office | 17:53 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Cambodian Rocks | 17:54 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Cambodian RnR and Psych from 60's Cambodia | 17:54 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Weird thing is, everybody playing those songs were killed by the Pol Pot regime... =( | 17:55 |
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| +bartjol | ah | 17:59 |
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| +bartjol | ah, I am a very fast mailer, I can answer before the question is asked | 18:13 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yes | 18:13 |
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| +MrHairgrease | or | 18:13 |
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| +MrHairgrease | you should set your computer's time correctly | 18:14 |
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| +bartjol | mmm, i've heard some theories about time being relative, so my time is as good as yours | 18:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that misght be, but mine is way prettier! | 18:16 |
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| SDuensin | "Time is an illusion. 'Luchtime', doubly so." | 18:18 |
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| @preaction | cap10morgan: did you guys happen to try nginx for use as a proxy/load balancer? | 21:19 |
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| +cap10morgan | nope | 21:19 |
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| +cap10morgan | i have never used nginx | 21:19 |
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| @preaction | darn. it seems Perfect | 21:19 |
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| +cap10morgan | i've never had apache come up as the bottleneck in our system | 21:19 |
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| +cap10morgan | plenty of other things have crapped out before it :) | 21:19 |
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| @preaction | true, but you've got two proxy nodes, i'm thinking nginx can do the same with one | 21:20 |
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| +cap10morgan | but yeah, it does seem tailor-made for the job :) | 21:20 |
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| @preaction | and still serve the static files | 21:20 |
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| +cap10morgan | we only have two for redundancy | 21:20 |
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| +cap10morgan | in case one instance crashes | 21:20 |
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| @preaction | ahh, of course | 21:20 |
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| @preaction | but then what's in front of it to balance between the two? | 21:20 |
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| +cap10morgan | it's just dns round-robin, so not perfectly redundant | 21:21 |
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| +cap10morgan | but some requests still get through | 21:21 |
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| +cap10morgan | while i spin up a new instance | 21:21 |
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| +cap10morgan | if amazon would freaking allow multiple IPs per instance, i'd just have the other elastic IP migrate over instantly | 21:21 |
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| +cap10morgan | but they don't... | 21:21 |
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| SDuensin | Really? One IP per instance? | 21:22 |
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| @preaction | don't they have some sort of heartbeat / redundancy system built-in? | 21:22 |
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| * SDuensin never noticed that. | 21:22 |
| +cap10morgan | they have their new load balancing thing you can use, yeah | 21:22 |
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| +cap10morgan | but i haven't tried it | 21:22 |
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| +cap10morgan | and heard some reports that it was kinda crappy, but maybe they worked that out by now | 21:22 |
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| +cap10morgan | SDuensin: yeah, it's one of my biggest pet peeves w/ ec2 | 21:23 |
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| SDuensin | Hmm. Glad I didn't migrate and find that out after-the-fact! | 21:23 |
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| @preaction | wait, that means only one SSL vhost per box | 21:25 |
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| +cap10morgan | yes it does | 21:25 |
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| +cap10morgan | but a UCC cert solves that problem marvelously | 21:25 |
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| @preaction | ... uh... that means... that means a lot of instances | 21:25 |
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| +cap10morgan | i've yet to find something that doesn't recognize it | 21:25 |
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| wgGuest11 | im new and need help | 03:38 |
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| SDuensin | Well, first tip is to stay more than a whole minute. | 03:49 |
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| @preaction | indeed | 03:50 |
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| SDuensin | I mean, I've been here since 5.x and I *STILL* need help! | 03:51 |
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| elnino | whew.. where do I begin? | 05:07 |
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| elnino | I'm working with another server, ad the admin won't allow me on to do the webgui stuff. so I'm standing by watching all this. | 05:08 |
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| elnino | he upgraded from 7.6.someting or other to 7.7.32 | 05:08 |
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| elnino | and there are two sites sharing the one database | 05:08 |
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| elnino | and after the upgrade a bunch of uncommitted versiontags showed up from 2006. | 05:09 |
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| elnino | they are from the other domain, not the one I"m currently logged on. | 05:09 |
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| elnino | is that a problem? | 05:09 |
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| elnino | he doesn't believe in spectre either. I think he wants to keep it disabled. | 05:10 |
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| @preaction | elnino: uh... WebGUI does not work if spectre is disabled completely... | 09:13 |
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| elnino | preaction, yep I know, I'm not quite sure what he's doing. webgui "seemed to be working" version tags were approved automatically, so he couldn't have disabled it completely. It was installed by source too, I tried to convince him to install wre, but won't hear of it. oh well. not my decision to host with him. | 21:34 |
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| SDuensin | Sounds like fun, elnino. Does he believe in Apache? Maybe he should turn that off. :-) | 22:35 |
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| @preaction | elnino: it was possible to disable it completed, most version tags get committed in realtime. but cronjobs will not get run, ever | 23:01 |
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| elnino | on the statisitc pages, it says there are 479 groups. I'm assuming that that number includes groups created from CS wobjects? | 05:12 |
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| @preaction | yes | 05:12 |
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| @preaction | it's just a SELECT COUNT(*) FROM groups; | 05:12 |
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| elnino | ok. whew. | 05:12 |
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| elnino | quiet night. | 05:14 |
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| elnino | in the gotcha for 7.7.32, it says that wg requires "javascript packer" .40, but javascript::packer is only .04 is that the correct module? | 05:54 |
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| elnino | sorry, 7.7.31 | 05:54 |
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| elnino | SynQ? | 05:56 |
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| elnino | I think this was me. http://www.webgui.org/bazaar/mp3-popup-player | 05:57 |
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| elnino | ACK! After an upgrade to 7.7.32, a bunch of $1 shows up in my templates.. whats that about? And I cant delete them in the editor, they keep appearing. They are at all the empty lines. And I have "packed" templates enabled. | 06:15 |
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| elnino | correction. After an upgrade, AND after I modify a template, TEHN the $1 show up at all blank lines. The upgrade didn't cause it. | 06:18 |
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| * elnino looks at bug reports. | 06:18 |
| @preaction | yeah, that's a known bug | 06:19 |
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| elnino | yep JUST found it. | 06:19 |
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| @preaction | should have a fix there too, i hope | 06:19 |
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| elnino | yep, JUST read it. =) | 06:20 |
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| @preaction | if it doesn't work, let me know | 06:20 |
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| elnino | well, this is on the server I have no control on. =( | 06:20 |
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| elnino | so I will email him. | 06:20 |
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| * elnino wonders if the editor now works in ie. | 06:20 |
| @preaction | it should | 06:20 |
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| elnino | I hope. | 06:20 |
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| elnino | =) | 06:20 |
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| @preaction | but still has that $1 prob iirc | 06:20 |
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| elnino | oh ok. | 06:21 |
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| elnino | oh... why is it putting it all in one line now??? I copied an unpacked version and unselectd pack. It shouldn't have packed. =( | 06:24 |
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| @preaction | part of the same bug iirc | 06:24 |
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| @preaction | either that or that's the IE-specific bug i haven't fixed yet | 06:24 |
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| elnino | no, I"m still in FF. | 06:24 |
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| * elnino lookes in ie | 06:25 |
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| elnino | hm. looks like too much fun to have tonight. I have IE6, and it has the weird delete/copy bug still. I'll stick with FF for now. | 06:28 |
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| @preaction | delete/copy bug? | 06:29 |
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| elnino | yep, you type a letter or delete and it jumps to the bottom of the editor. | 06:29 |
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| @preaction | did you delete your browser cache? | 06:30 |
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| elnino | I tried to copy paste the "unpacked version" and it wiped it out on me. | 06:30 |
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| elnino | I have browser cached disbled, and in this case, I went back a couple versions so it 's a url I never visited in IE before. | 06:30 |
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| elnino | but I will try again | 06:31 |
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| @preaction | i wasn't aware IE allowed disabling of browser cache, and JS files are not cached per page, they're just cached and never re-fetched for the next page | 06:31 |
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| elnino | actually. This server was on 7.6, so that bug wasn't there before. | 06:32 |
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| elnino | this is ie6: general->temp internet files->settings_>every visit to page. doesn't that disable browser cache? | 06:33 |
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| @preaction | not that i know of. browser caches are tricky beasts | 06:34 |
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| elnino | never had problems with it before. oh well. still trying it's dog slow. | 06:34 |
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| @preaction | i mean, i trust that you're seeing it, but that was the one bug i set out to fix in 7.7.32 | 06:35 |
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| elnino | oh. ok.. I must hav been too fast. I select-all by typing ctrl-a and the edit zeros out. (IE6) | 06:36 |
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| elnino | that made no sense. =( | 06:36 |
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| elnino | when I selected the entire text area, THAT's when it emptied the text area. | 06:36 |
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| elnino | I thought it emptied the area when I PASTEd. | 06:36 |
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| elnino | when I rigt-click and click on "select all" it does NOT zero out the text area. | 06:37 |
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| elnino | but I can't ctrl-c to copy it. because it zeros out the text area. =( | 06:38 |
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| elnino | lol | 06:38 |
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| * elnino shakes head | 06:38 |
| elnino | oh. it did copy. | 06:39 |
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| elnino | now, will the $1 appear in IE 6? | 06:40 |
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| elnino | and will it be packed again. | 06:40 |
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| * elnino still waiting. | 06:40 |
| elnino | good grief | 06:40 |
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| elnino | no and no =) | 06:41 |
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| elnino | the $1 and packing thing is just a FF bug. | 06:42 |
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| elnino | well, the $1 and packign thing is NOT a IE6 bug =) | 06:42 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:49 |
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| +bartjol | hi | 16:52 |
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| ckotil | http://www.xkcd.com | 16:52 |
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| +bartjol | look out for the sysadmins! | 16:52 |
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| SDuensin | I love xkcd. | 17:01 |
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| ckotil | yeah, todays is top notch | 17:06 |
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| SDuensin | I sent a few around the office the other day. Had to go explain them all. <sigh> | 17:13 |
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| ckotil | heh | 17:24 |
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| SDuensin | Mornin' perlDreamer | 17:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | Hey, SDuensin | 17:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | what's shaking? | 17:36 |
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| SDuensin | Stalking TicketMaster at the moment. | 17:36 |
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| SDuensin | T-Minus 22 minutes until Jimmy Buffett tickets! :-) | 17:37 |
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| ckotil | What venue? | 17:47 |
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| SDuensin | Verizon Wireless Amphitheater in St. Louis | 17:49 |
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| ckotil | cool | 17:53 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb4e42eb / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt docs/gotcha.txt): Fix missing gotcha for Javascript::Packer - http://bit.ly/aVsTZW | 18:01 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0bfba03 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Fix typo in module version number in gotchas. Fixes bug #11418 - http://bit.ly/aN65Wn | 18:01 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb7ddb78 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt docs/gotcha.txt): Fix typo in module version number in gotchas. Fixes bug #11418 - http://bit.ly/agTYoX | 18:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | tavisto, we're downgrading your "bug" from "bug" to "user snafu". | 18:03 |
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| @tavisto | which one pD | 18:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | the CMS matrix one | 18:04 |
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| @tavisto | how dare you downgrade my stuff | 18:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | unfortunately, I'm also responsible for help you with "user snafu"s, so it will be fixed anyway :) | 18:04 |
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| +bartjol | at least I file real bug reports :P | 18:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | bartjol, I'm just waiting for you to fix the last Code Editor bug | 18:12 |
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| +bartjol | oh, is that assigned to me? | 18:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | it could be | 18:13 |
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| +bartjol | haven't got any mail | 18:13 |
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| +bartjol | I have a short look, but I need to go and look for a bathroom sink, because I cracked the other one | 18:13 |
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| +bartjol | do you have a link at hand? | 18:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11409 | 18:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's too bad about the sink | 18:14 |
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| +bartjol | yeah, I connected the water already | 18:15 |
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| +bartjol | I had some stress, as I was alone | 18:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | did it get cracked by dropping it, or tightening the plumbing too much? | 18:16 |
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| +bartjol | but doug says that it is already fixed in 33 | 18:16 |
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| +bartjol | neither | 18:16 |
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| +bartjol | I think (and hope) that it was because it was old or I smacked it onto the ground to hard | 18:17 |
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| +bartjol | Oh, it breaks templates in IE | 18:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | I thought that Rogier's reply said that even with the new code that it doesn't work correctly in Chrome (which we don't support) and Safari and IE8 | 18:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | but I'll do some more testing later today just in case | 18:18 |
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| +bartjol | yeah, well, maybe that one's out of my league | 18:18 |
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| +bartjol | not to be fixed with sledgehammers, that is | 18:19 |
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| +bartjol | gotta go | 18:19 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, http://github.com/haarg/webgui/blob/file-locations/lib/WebGUI/Paths.pm | 18:22 |
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| @Haarg | i'm working on a different mechanism for finding webgui files | 18:23 |
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| @Haarg | instead of being based on a root webgui dir, it would have references to the individual pieces of data that webgui needs | 18:23 |
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| @Haarg | that module is a rough start | 18:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | I like it | 18:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | Would it need to use Exception::Class, like the rest of WebGUI? | 18:24 |
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| @Haarg | the idea is that a Build.PL or installer script would re-write that file to use absolute paths | 18:24 |
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| @Haarg | so you would have the option of either using it like we currently do with everything in a single directory | 18:25 |
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| @Haarg | or you could install it and it would have absolute paths to the places you installed the files | 18:25 |
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| @Haarg | a few questions: do you think it should use constants for the paths (possibly exportable) or methods? | 18:26 |
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| @Haarg | do you think is it good to stick the extra methods for finding webgui files in the module? | 18:26 |
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| @Haarg | and are there other paths that are used that i'm not thinking of? | 18:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | test collateral | 18:27 |
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| @Haarg | that's not installed data though | 18:27 |
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| @Haarg | oh, the other part is that that module would need to be in your @INC somehow | 18:28 |
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| @Haarg | either by installing it in the perl paths or including it with PERL5LIB | 18:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, that's why I'm thinking that even though test collateral isn't necessarily installed, it would be good if this module handled it | 18:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | it would make writing tests easier | 18:28 |
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| @Haarg | hmm | 18:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | you see where I'm going? | 18:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe I'm hijacking the module's real purpose though | 18:29 |
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| @Haarg | the whole FindBin thing is rather nasty, but i don't know if there is a better option | 18:29 |
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| @Haarg | the other thing is that this would be kind of a large API break. specifically, WebGUI::Session->open wouldn't get a root path anymore | 18:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | we're close to WebGUI 8 anyway | 18:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | I wouldn't worry about API breakage | 18:31 |
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| @Haarg | it's not a difficult API break so i'm not too worried | 18:31 |
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| @Haarg | i don't like the idea of adding stuff for test data/libs to this module, but if you have any other ideas for convenience methods that would be good. | 18:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | in a standard WebGUI install, upgrades are in WebGUI/docs | 18:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | but in this module, it's puts them in var | 18:32 |
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| @Haarg | yeah, i have some of the paths mismatched currently | 18:32 |
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| @Haarg | another part of the plan is to reorganize the files | 18:33 |
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| @Haarg | the paths i have listed aren't where things are going to go either | 18:33 |
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| @Haarg | like preload.* needs to be in etc | 18:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah | 18:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | it _would_ be nice to have this, especially for OS packagers | 18:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | then they could tweak customize for their OS'es particular layout requirements | 18:34 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 18:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm starting to wish that wgd subsumed lots of the sbin scripts | 18:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | I get tired of having to run them from inside the sbin directory | 18:36 |
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| @Haarg | couldn't you use wgd util for that? | 18:37 |
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| @Haarg | thoughts on constants vs methods for WebGUI::Paths? | 18:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | -> vs :: | 18:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm | 18:39 |
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| @Haarg | constants could be made exportable, but methods could be changed in the future to be calculated per run if it was needed. | 18:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | since there are real methods in there, it might be more consistent if they were all methods, rather than a mix | 18:41 |
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| @Haarg | or at least, it would make more sense if that was done with a method call | 18:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | nothing in there take a lot to calculate | 18:41 |
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| @Haarg | everything i do seems to end up involving symbol table manipulation http://github.com/haarg/webgui/commit/5b1b7147839ac6b7a934873546442f073ed25019 | 19:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's pretty classic installer work | 19:21 |
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| SDuensin | Writing installers sucks. | 19:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | not _that_ kind of installer, SD. | 19:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | Did you get your concert tickets? | 19:22 |
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| SDuensin | YEP! WHOOOO! | 19:22 |
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| SDuensin | I've written a ton of installers. People only liked one of them. So good - glad it's not _that_ kind. :-) | 19:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's a subroutine installer, like Exporter.pm | 19:26 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re05f956 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix templating issues in the Wiki Page with showing the Edit content. Fixes bug #11415 - http://bit.ly/bxpW9u | 19:27 |
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| * SDuensin thinks someone needs to write a Perl runtime in PHP so we can run WebGUI on $5 hosts. :-D | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Plack/nginx | 19:30 |
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| SDuensin | Huh? | 19:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | just google and read and wonder :) | 19:30 |
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| SDuensin | Um, ok. | 19:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's the way to get perl and mod_perl like stuff on a $5 hoster | 19:34 |
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| SDuensin | If you say so. | 19:34 |
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| @preaction | plack specifically | 19:34 |
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| @preaction | nginx is just an immensely faster httpd | 19:35 |
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| @preaction | because it uses async I/O and event-based handling | 19:35 |
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| SDuensin | Hmm. Apparently Plack is an ancient Scottish coin worth 1/12th an English penny. | 19:36 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r552859f / (2 files in 2 dirs): Add notes to the pagination hoverhelp for the SQL Report. Addresses bug #11414. - http://bit.ly/bn9l4p | 19:37 |
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| SDuensin | I don't see how Plack helps. | 19:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | Plack will let you run mod_perl code without mod_perl | 19:40 |
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| SDuensin | Yea, but you still need Perl. :-P | 19:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | sure, but Perl by itself is not a problem for $5 hosters | 19:41 |
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| SDuensin | So get me a Plack/nginx WRE. :-) | 19:41 |
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| SDuensin | It saddens me to see all these control panels that automatically install things for people not even attempt to support WebGUI. | 19:42 |
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| @preaction | SDuensin: once patspam has a plack webgui, i hope to have a nginx WRE | 19:43 |
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| SDuensin | Sweet. | 19:43 |
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| @preaction | the next resource hog is the database engine | 19:44 |
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| SDuensin | How much can you do with that though? MySQL is pretty ubiquitous. | 19:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | I hate the combo box | 19:49 |
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| SDuensin | I like the WRE, but making WebGUI play nicer with others would go a long way to reducing resources. | 19:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | odd that bartjol didn't mention that the government of The Netherlands all quit last night | 19:53 |
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| SDuensin | ?! | 19:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands_cabinet_Balkenende-4 | 19:54 |
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| SDuensin | Alrighty then. | 19:58 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2d819f1 / (3 files in 2 dirs): Fix bugs in the Combo Box, and the Mimetype form elements. Fixes bug #11420. - http://bit.ly/bF01DZ | 20:01 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1c99789 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Add notes to the pagination hoverhelp for the SQL Report. Addresses bug #11414. - http://bit.ly/cLluJW | 20:18 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1736b8b / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix templating issues in the Wiki Page with showing the Edit content. Fixes bug #11415 - http://bit.ly/dnRAFx | 20:22 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r371ebd5 / (3 files in 2 dirs): Fix bugs in the Combo Box, and the Mimetype form elements. Fixes bug #11420. - http://bit.ly/bzDcij | 20:24 |
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| CIA-60 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * ra725942 / (5 files in 3 dirs): override BUILDARGS instead of new - http://bit.ly/c0bfRc | 20:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, I seem to be able to duplicate the spectre bug | 21:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | More fun after a run | 21:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | LOL! | 23:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | This is hilarious | 23:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | to update a cron job in spectre, you do a delete, and then an add | 23:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | except that if you disabled the cron job, you don't to add it back in | 23:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | so they don't ever die | 23:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | until you restart spectre | 23:54 |
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| --- Day changed Tue Feb 23 2010 |
| +perlDreamer | and a fairly easy fix, too | 00:04 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: you have access to an IE6 i can borrow? | 01:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have it set up on a VM on my laptop | 01:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | so you can borrow both of us | 01:50 |
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| @preaction | can you check out 7.8 and test the code editor? my IE6 is all screwed up (winxp auto-updated me to ie8 .. yay..) | 01:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | Yeah, I can do that. Let me downgrade to IE6 and do some checking. | 01:51 |
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| @preaction | the two problems: can't use backspace at end of line, can't add \n | 01:52 |
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| @preaction | oh, elnino reported more problems with using Ctrl+A to select all too, but i couldn't reproduce that before or after my fixes | 01:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll check that too | 01:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | IE6: all content on 1 line, newlines are added, then immediately removed. | 02:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | Ctrl-A appears to delete all content | 02:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | First it highlights, then it's all gone. | 02:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's like somebody hit a key for me automatically | 02:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh, but that's 7.7 | 02:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: would it be better to repeat those tests on 7.8? | 02:05 |
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| @preaction | yes | 02:06 |
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| @preaction | 7.7 didn't get a commit yet | 02:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | push? | 02:06 |
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| @preaction | damn, thought i did | 02:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | haven't seen anything from CIA-58, but sometimes things get dropped | 02:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll pull | 02:07 |
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| @preaction | there, now it's done | 02:08 |
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| CIA-58 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r491f587 / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fix newline problems with code editor - http://bit.ly/aPGQx8 | 02:08 |
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| CIA-58 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rf240635 / lib/WebGUI/Session/Style.pm : style doesn't need WebGUI all the time - http://bit.ly/byjdqd | 02:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | Ctrl-A no longer wipes out everything | 02:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | but new lines are still broken | 02:11 |
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| @preaction | in IE6? | 02:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 02:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | IE6/XP | 02:12 |
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| @preaction | okay, so that's the one that needs the nbsp after. one sec | 02:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | hang on | 02:14 |
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| CIA-58 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r8d4a63b / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fix line breaks for IE6 - http://bit.ly/8XXm3k | 02:14 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: one more try? | 02:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | IE6 was caching | 02:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | I deleted ALL the caches, and now... | 02:14 |
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| @preaction | so it worked? | 02:15 |
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| @preaction | don't pull yet then | 02:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | now, everything in quotes is strike-through text | 02:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | but I have newlines | 02:15 |
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| @preaction | the CSS didn't get loaded | 02:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I can add new newlines | 02:15 |
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| @preaction | do a force-refresh? | 02:15 |
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| @preaction | so the newest version doesn't necessary? | 02:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | I haven't pulled yet | 02:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | but I don't know what's up with the CSS either | 02:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's commented out? | 02:18 |
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| @preaction | huh? | 02:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, that's logger code | 02:19 |
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| @preaction | all the logger stuff should be commented out, but not the normal one | 02:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | apparently IE6 won't load CSS files that way | 02:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | via cssUrl | 02:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | but everything is in there the right way | 02:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | want me to try an opera next? | 02:21 |
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| @preaction | the cssUrl gets inserted as a <link> in the iframe | 02:21 |
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| @preaction | if you want | 02:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, try this next | 02:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | insert a blank line | 02:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | then insert a bunch more blank lines | 02:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | the cursor stays on the originally added line, instead of moving down | 02:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I can't put the cursor at the end of a line | 02:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | so if the line ends in </a> | 02:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | the cursor won't go past </a^> | 02:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | Opera 10.10 on Ubuntu | 02:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | works fine on FF | 02:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | 3.5.7 | 02:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | I can't duplicate the new DataForm Date field bug | 02:34 |
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| @preaction | is all that blank line stuff in IE6 only? | 02:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | Yes, but it's intermittent | 02:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | my laptop is swapping heavily | 02:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | so I'll close everything I can and try again | 02:38 |
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| @preaction | can you try pulling and then testing IE6 again? | 02:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 02:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | there's a space at the end of every line | 02:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | but everything else seems fine | 02:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | no strikethrough | 02:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | newlines work | 02:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | backspace/del works | 02:43 |
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| @preaction | okay, so that's the workaround to fix IE6's problem | 02:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | Ctrl-A selects all | 02:44 |
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| @preaction | \n\n is truncated to \n, but \n \n works | 02:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | should we insert \r\n instead? | 02:44 |
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| @preaction | no, it's <br> really | 02:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | and the extra spaces don't hurt | 02:44 |
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| @preaction | they get removed | 02:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll try Opera next | 02:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | Opera is behaving the same as before, but if I insert a newline after the end of a line by doing it on the next line then I can go to the end of the line. | 02:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | aside from that, all is well | 02:53 |
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| @preaction | opera needs to just stfu and gbtw | 02:53 |
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| @preaction | but the first thing i'm doing tomorrow is adding that toggle button. i give up. they win. | 02:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | that may not be easy, either | 02:54 |
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| @preaction | should be pretty easy, there's an example already for exactly that | 02:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, there is | 02:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | don't expect it to work, because it didn't for the editor in the translation server | 02:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg and I both worked on that one | 02:56 |
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| @preaction | great, even with the fixes, 7.7 is still all messed up | 02:58 |
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| CIA-58 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * re159bab / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fix newline problems with code editor - http://bit.ly/cxZAXG | 02:58 |
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| CIA-58 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * rdb19a90 / lib/WebGUI/Session/Style.pm : style doesn't need WebGUI all the time - http://bit.ly/d7THGU | 02:58 |
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| CIA-58 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r1cdd42f / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fix line breaks for IE6 - http://bit.ly/daBRnJ | 02:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's 2.6 still, isn't it? | 03:00 |
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| @preaction | 7.7 is 2.6 iirc, 7.8 is 2.8 | 03:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | I wonder if moving to YUI3 will be easy or not | 03:01 |
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| @preaction | it won't be | 03:01 |
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| @preaction | i'm just gonna put in the button and default to off for 7.7, default to on for 7.8. problem solved. | 03:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | there you go | 03:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | time to feed the kiddos | 03:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | be back later | 03:07 |
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| +cap10morgan | hey everyone, i wanted to let you all know that i'm starting a new job next week. so i will sadly be leaving the webgui dev community for the time being. | 03:13 |
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| +cap10morgan | but it's been great working w/ you all | 03:13 |
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| @preaction | cap10morgan: good luck | 03:17 |
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| +cap10morgan | thanks! | 03:17 |
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| +cap10morgan | to you all as well | 03:17 |
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| @preaction | and of course i can make everything work just fine in every browser except IE | 04:23 |
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| @preaction | even the toggle button | 04:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan, I'm sure you'll be able to sell them on WebGUI | 04:53 |
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| daviddelikat | So, I have a sort of system level question about WG, specifically related to plainblack hosting services. | 05:17 |
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| daviddelikat | can a single instance of WG be configured to respond to multiple domain names? | 05:18 |
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| daviddelikat | each name with a different page? | 05:18 |
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| daviddelikat | or does it have to be setup as multi-site? | 05:18 |
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| @preaction | a single instance of wg can host multiple domain names, each with a different page or set of pages | 05:19 |
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| daviddelikat | does that hold true for a single instance using plainblack hosting service? | 05:20 |
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| @preaction | yes, you can ask us to set that up for you | 05:20 |
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| daviddelikat | specifically without using VPS | 05:20 |
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| daviddelikat | I have a contact who would like to get a site up as soon as reasonable with intent to expand to an obscene number of domain names | 05:21 |
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| daviddelikat | he has around 8000 names ... | 05:21 |
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| @preaction | but they only want to spend $30 a month? | 05:21 |
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| daviddelikat | in several countires | 05:21 |
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| @preaction | there are still limits on site size and bandwidth usage | 05:22 |
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| daviddelikat | his data volume will be extremely low | 05:22 |
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| @preaction | so he's a squatter? | 05:22 |
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| daviddelikat | some of the sites will have only one or two pages | 05:22 |
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| daviddelikat | not really, he has names like 'howdoidownloadvideosfromyoutube.com' | 05:23 |
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| daviddelikat | which really only needs one or two pages. | 05:23 |
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| daviddelikat | kind of an obnoxious project if you ask me | 05:23 |
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| daviddelikat | but he likes it and thinks he can make money with it | 05:24 |
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| daviddelikat | I was not going to be involved besides getting him connected to you guys | 05:24 |
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| daviddelikat | and I wanted to make sure he asked the right questions to get the stuff he needs. | 05:25 |
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| daviddelikat | also, how difficult is it to move sites from one host to another? | 05:26 |
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| @preaction | what kind of site? | 05:27 |
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| daviddelikat | assuming he grows out of the first site he gets from you | 05:27 |
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| daviddelikat | and needs to move up to a bigger site | 05:27 |
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| daviddelikat | say he has bottom VPS | 05:27 |
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| @preaction | moving webgui sites around is easy | 05:28 |
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| daviddelikat | how hard is it to move up to the next leve; | 05:28 |
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| daviddelikat | so he would just call you and request the move and you tell him what it cost and when it will happen? | 05:28 |
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| @preaction | unless he has phone support he wouldn't call, he would use the support board | 05:29 |
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| daviddelikat | ok | 05:29 |
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| daviddelikat | now the third question | 05:29 |
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| daviddelikat | he may want sites that are hosted with IP's from other countries | 05:30 |
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| daviddelikat | ( he has been messing around with SOE manipulation ) | 05:30 |
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| daviddelikat | [ or is it SEO? -- got me ] | 05:31 |
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| daviddelikat | this would mean transferring to another company I'd guess? | 05:31 |
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| @preaction | yes | 05:32 |
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| @preaction | but the world doesn't care what geolocation an IP address has | 05:32 |
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| @preaction | SEO especially has absolutely nothing to do with that | 05:32 |
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| daviddelikat | he claims that international google searches will prioritize based on ip local. | 05:33 |
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| daviddelikat | he will most likely ask about it | 05:33 |
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| @preaction | he's wrong | 05:34 |
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| daviddelikat | I'm going to talk to him tomorrow about connecting with PB who would be the best contact for sales? | 05:35 |
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| @preaction | sales@ | 05:35 |
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| @preaction | there's a contact form on the website | 05:35 |
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| @preaction | i think it also has a phone number | 05:36 |
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| daviddelikat | ok, I'll just give him that info. | 05:36 |
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| daviddelikat | thanks | 05:36 |
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| daviddelikat | have you guys ever heard of seomoz.com? | 05:37 |
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| elnino | preaction/perlDreamer - I'm here so if you want me to do anything about the editor, let me know. as far as the strike thrus - I get that too once in a while, but never duplicatable. | 05:37 |
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| @preaction | yes, i have. it's mostly bullshit | 05:38 |
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| @preaction | http://powazek.com/posts/2090 | 05:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | nice summary | 05:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: what does this mean - End of file found: proxy: error reading status line from remote server 127.0.0.1 | 05:43 |
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| @preaction | it means mod_proxy couldn't talk to mod_perl | 05:43 |
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| daviddelikat | preaction: thanks for the link to Derek's article, I'm going to pass it on, my contact has been paying $80/month for a membership at the seomoz site to get ideas for building sites. | 05:49 |
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| daviddelikat | I kinda think he's cracked | 05:49 |
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| daviddelikat | who buys 8000 domains? | 05:49 |
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| elnino | 8000? whoa. | 05:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe seomoz has stock in godaddy and network solutions | 05:50 |
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| daviddelikat | anyway I hope you guys can help him, I'd like to keep him as a contact | 05:50 |
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| daviddelikat | he said it was started b ex-google people | 05:50 |
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| daviddelikat | seems unlikely tho | 05:50 |
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| @preaction | could be: it's easy to get money by starting a new religion, and SEO is the religion of the internet: unverifiable claims at reasonable prices | 05:52 |
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| daviddelikat | $80 is reasonable? | 05:52 |
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| @preaction | holy salvation is worth it | 05:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | 100 people, $80/month | 05:53 |
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| daviddelikat | better than blood of the firstborn | 05:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's a pretty livable salary | 05:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | $96K/year | 05:53 |
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| daviddelikat | now if only it was tax free | 05:53 |
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| daviddelikat | or should I say ebay fee free | 05:54 |
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| daviddelikat | s/ebay/paypal | 05:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm, ebay takes 5% | 05:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | state and federal takes 33% | 05:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | have to pay extra 7% for self-employment | 05:55 |
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| daviddelikat | yes, I know theres no comparison | 05:55 |
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| @preaction | i'm just saying if you want money, go into SEO. | 05:55 |
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| daviddelikat | I just find paypal fees annoying | 05:55 |
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| daviddelikat | problem is the money is in selling SEO not using it | 05:56 |
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| CIA-58 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r51be63b / lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/PurgeOldTrash.pm : Make PurgeOldTrash respect the workflow activity TTL. - http://bit.ly/bXcfCa | 06:47 |
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| CIA-58 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r29b0d49 / lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/PurgeOldTrash.pm : Make PurgeOldTrash respect the workflow activity TTL. - http://bit.ly/99oUAt | 06:47 |
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| elnino | when doing a search using the search asset, and viewing the search results, where does the description found underneath the link come from? | 07:02 |
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| @preaction | synopsis, if any | 07:23 |
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| @preaction | otherwise it's the compiled keywords | 07:23 |
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| @preaction | synopsis is called Summary on the metadata tab | 07:23 |
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| elnino | hmm. ok. cause I have a site here with a bunch of mp3, and the descriptions is two phrases repeated. one being the file name, and the other | 07:25 |
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| elnino | let me look again. | 07:25 |
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| elnino | I had the "container thing" enabled. maybe that makes it more confusing? | 07:27 |
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| elnino | for example | 07:28 |
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| elnino | an asswet called download mp3 file has a description of: Download mp3 File Download mp3 File download download mp3 | 07:28 |
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| elnino | there is no summary for that asset. So it looks like it prints out the title, menu title, and who knows what. | 07:29 |
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| elnino | that is an article asset. | 07:29 |
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| @preaction | those are the keywords | 07:34 |
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| elnino | ok. | 07:35 |
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| @preaction | the keywords from the assetIndex | 07:35 |
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| SynQ | preaction: you summoned me? | 08:30 |
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| SynQ | your bidding? | 08:30 |
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| * SynQ is ready for a cruisade | 08:30 |
| SynQ | war always comes unprepared | 08:31 |
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| SynQ | but first we need a good breakfast | 08:33 |
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| kimd | preaction? | 12:16 |
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| +bartjol | he might be asleep | 12:33 |
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| +bartjol | he ought to turn his IM off | 12:33 |
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| kimd | I assumed that. Just wanted to be sure. | 12:59 |
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| kimd | Thanks, bartjol! | 12:59 |
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| +bartjol | np | 13:09 |
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| +bartjol | how are you doing kimd | 13:09 |
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| kimd | I am alright. A bit sick at the moment. | 13:25 |
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| kimd | But that doesn't prevent me from sitting in front of my computer. | 13:26 |
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| kimd | What's up in the Netherlands? | 13:26 |
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| kimd | bartjol, may I ask you to share your wisdom about templates? | 13:30 |
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| +bartjol | kimd sure | 13:59 |
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| kimd | I think I got it already. | 13:59 |
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| +bartjol | well, our government screwed up | 13:59 |
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| kimd | Thanks anyway. | 14:00 |
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| kimd | I read that in the news. | 14:00 |
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| +bartjol | so new elections | 14:00 |
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| kimd | Nothing wrong about elections. | 14:00 |
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| kimd | Only about no elections. | 14:00 |
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| kimd | Make the right choice ;-) | 14:00 |
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| +bartjol | I demolished a bathroom sink | 14:00 |
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| +bartjol | I'll try | 14:00 |
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| kimd | Because of elections? | 14:00 |
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| +bartjol | no, just bad luck | 14:01 |
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| kimd | Good luck repairing it! | 14:01 |
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| +bartjol | well, I'm just getting a new one this week | 14:02 |
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| +bartjol | shatterd pottery isn't glueable | 14:02 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | holy gooey bugs, preaction-man! | 17:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | when you ask people to test, they start testing! | 17:29 |
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| SDuensin | hehe | 17:29 |
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| SDuensin | Hey perlDreamer - I just learned about this! I assume you WebGUI geniuses are ahead of me... http://www.apsstandard.org/ | 17:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | nope, never heard of that | 17:35 |
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| SDuensin | If WG was packaged in that format, all those batty control panels could install it. | 17:36 |
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| SDuensin | The format supports mod_perl, too. | 17:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | be back in a while | 17:45 |
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| +patspam | howdy y'all | 18:37 |
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| * patspam practices his american accent | 18:38 |
| @Haarg | morning | 18:38 |
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| SDuensin | Hey guys. | 18:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | yo, patspam! | 18:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | are you unjetlagged yet? | 18:41 |
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| +patspam | still groggy | 18:46 |
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| +patspam | I reckon it takes me about 2 weeks to really get over it | 18:47 |
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| +patspam | and about 2 months to get productive again | 18:47 |
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| +patspam | sadly I've been moving back and forward every 2 months for the past 6 ;( | 18:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's pretty bad jet lag | 18:48 |
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| +patspam | hopefully that's the last of it | 18:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | indeed. SDH USA has launched and unless all the Australians are ejected from here, you'll be fine | 18:49 |
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| +patspam | would you believe that the automated phone service for finding out how to apply for a SSN asks you to enter you SSN to continue? | 18:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | Yes, I would believe that | 18:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | I find that as I grow older I become more cynical | 18:51 |
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| +patspam | I went down in person and applied for one yesterday, soon I will actually exist! | 18:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | I thought you seemed a bit wavy and transparent this morning | 18:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm recovering from a bit of bender weekend | 18:53 |
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| +patspam | $patspam->getId() # pending.. | 18:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | while (! $patspam->getId()) { sleep 60; } | 18:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | we should just use spectre instead, it would be more efficient | 18:53 |
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| +patspam | yeah, or AnyEvent! | 18:54 |
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| +patspam | nonblocking++ | 18:54 |
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| @preaction | speaking of nonblocking ;) | 18:54 |
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| @preaction | have you had any chance to work on plack-gui? sounds like you've been ugly busy | 18:55 |
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| +patspam | very little, I've been keeping up with Plack developments and playing with things like tatsumaki | 18:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think it's retarded that YUI won't parse a JSON date by default | 18:56 |
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| +patspam | I've been waiting for the Plack::Request refactoring to finish | 18:56 |
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| @preaction | np, i want to start releasing 8.0 testbed releases by summer, and it would be wonderful if the plack stuff could be part of that | 18:57 |
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| +patspam | for sure, I'm hanging out for it like crazy | 18:57 |
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| @preaction | mainly because then i can toss nginx into the WRE, replace apache, and improve performance by a huge factor | 18:58 |
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| +patspam | yeah! | 18:58 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, does JSON even have a native format for dates? | 18:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | good point | 18:58 |
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| @preaction | nginx can even do our weird rewriterule stuff for wgaccess/uploads, which is awesome | 18:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe I'm coming about this the wrong way | 18:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | There was a bug in the DataTable with reading dates created by the inline cell editor | 18:59 |
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| +patspam | nice, and we can supply middleware failbacks for that too, for people who deploy outside of nginx | 18:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | it creates dates like this: 2010-02-17T08:00:00.000Z | 18:59 |
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| @Haarg | i'll have to look at how nginx handles rewrites | 18:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | but the YUI DataTable won't parse that, for whichever reason | 19:00 |
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| @Haarg | the latest thing i came up with for uploads is rather ugly and i wish it could be improved | 19:00 |
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| @preaction | Haarg: it will be an actual if ( ... ) statement, they have a -f flag, and if all else fails they allow inline perl | 19:01 |
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| @preaction | the docs leave a bit to be desired unfortunately | 19:01 |
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| +patspam | unless you speak russian | 19:01 |
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| @Haarg | RewriteCond ${uploadsSec:localhost.conf\%\%{DOCUMENT_ROOT}%{REQUEST_FILENAME}\%\%{HTTP_COOKIE}} !=1 | 19:02 |
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| @preaction | just realized: if WebGUI is running as FastCGI, won't we need to figure out why it leaks so much memory? | 19:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe it's the modperl code that's leaky | 19:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | either that, or the circular references in the Session | 19:03 |
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| @preaction | well, i guess we'll burn that bridge when we get to it | 19:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | or the circular references in $session->asset->session->asset etc | 19:04 |
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| +patspam | I guess they should be weakened | 19:04 |
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| @Haarg | i think session is pretty much always cleaned up, because it immediately becomes noticeable when you start leaking sessions. | 19:06 |
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| * perlDreamer heads to the gym | 19:16 |
| kimd | Hey guys, someone JS knowledgeable have a second? | 19:17 |
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| kimd | I am trying to add drag'n'drop sorting to the gallery. | 19:18 |
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| kimd | Is there a default namespace I should use for webgui scripts? | 19:18 |
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| kimd | I mean, something like WebGUI.gallery.somescript? | 19:18 |
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| @preaction | WebGUI.Gallery would be fine | 19:24 |
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| kimd | Thanks, preaction! | 19:25 |
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| kimd | I have another one: | 19:26 |
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| kimd | How should I submit the new order? | 19:26 |
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| kimd | Would a hidden input field be ok? | 19:26 |
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| kimd | That means, submission would be asynchronously. | 19:26 |
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| kimd | Only if the form is submitted, the new order is actually transferred to WebGUI. | 19:27 |
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| kimd | Or rather do calls from the JS directly? | 19:28 |
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| @preaction | i would do the ajax call directly to webgui | 19:28 |
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| @preaction | but in order to do so, you'll need a www_ method to do it | 19:28 |
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| kimd | Ok. Going to add a new www_ method than. | 19:29 |
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| kimd | then. | 19:29 |
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| @preaction | in the GalleryAlbum class probably | 19:29 |
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| @preaction | you're doing photo reorder right? | 19:29 |
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| kimd | Sure. | 19:29 |
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| kimd | But how to deal with errors? | 19:29 |
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| kimd | If submission fails, the order on the screen will not resemble the order in the gallery. | 19:30 |
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| @preaction | send back a JSON object with { error : "This is an i18n error message" } | 19:30 |
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| kimd | Simply pop up a dialog? | 19:30 |
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| kimd | Or reload the whole page? | 19:30 |
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| @preaction | then move the photo back to where it was | 19:30 |
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| kimd | But wouldn't that mean that you have to wait for the response before you can move the next photo? | 19:31 |
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| kimd | Seems an unnecessary bottleneck to me. | 19:31 |
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| @preaction | you wouldn't have to wait, no. at least not that i know of | 19:34 |
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| kimd | Ok, I will try to figure it out. | 19:34 |
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| kimd | Thanks again! | 19:34 |
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| SDuensin | Thingy is mean. | 20:46 |
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| @preaction | maybe you're being mean to it? | 20:50 |
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| SDuensin | It's a tease. Looks like you can build the world with it. Then you get kicked in the face when you try. | 20:52 |
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| CIA-58 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9c0cdde / lib/WebGUI/Operation/Group.pm : Fix deleting users from groups in manageUsersInGroups. Need to use POST instead of GET. - http://bit.ly/bALWTJ | 20:55 |
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| CIA-58 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra9c2bf2 / lib/WebGUI/Operation/Group.pm : Fix deleting users from groups in manageUsersInGroups. Need to use POST instead of GET. - http://bit.ly/db7PN3 | 20:55 |
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| CIA-58 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3971d9b / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Interval.pm): Fix Interval form value preservation, when the field is hidden. Fixes bug #11431. - http://bit.ly/cVBowm | 21:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's 2 bugs fixed so far | 21:16 |
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| CIA-58 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r0b05328 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Interval.pm): Fix Interval form value preservation, when the field is hidden. Fixes bug #11431. - http://bit.ly/cn1saU | 21:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | how you doin', preaction? | 21:16 |
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| @preaction | done with the support for the day, getting back on the bugs | 21:17 |
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| ckotil | hey, im real excited about the dynamic groups from our external DB. :) | 21:31 |
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| ckotil | that's gonna be nice when i get it all setup. until now we've been ahving to do groupings in webgui manually. and everythign else is driven off our DB. | 21:32 |
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| ckotil | we have a lot of nice role based access control going on | 21:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, preaction: any objections to be building the skeleton for i18n'ing the TinyMCE WebGUI plugins? | 21:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | for now, I'd just like to build the right kind of file tree, with copies of the en files | 21:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | so that users don't see labels | 21:43 |
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| @preaction | isn't there already i18n for tinymce? on their own website? | 21:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | these are _our_ plugins | 21:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | Insert macro, page tree, insert image, spell checker | 21:45 |
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| @preaction | ah | 21:45 |
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| kimd | perlDreamer, i18n used to be there in the past. | 21:46 |
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| kimd | I think it got lost during one update. | 21:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | in the core? | 21:46 |
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| kimd | I think so. | 21:46 |
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| kimd | But maybe I am confusing things. | 21:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll do a little git digging | 21:46 |
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| kimd | At least I remember that I submitted an RFE a long time ago. | 21:46 |
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| kimd | If not, I should have the de files still on our server. | 21:47 |
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| kimd | Let me check. | 21:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | if you want to provide DE ones, we can add them | 21:47 |
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| kimd | Give me 5 minutes... | 21:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay | 21:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | SquOnk: are you listening to this? | 21:49 |
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| kimd | Found them. | 21:49 |
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| kimd | Is there a place I should upload to? | 21:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | Yes, how about adding them to martien's bug on webgui.org? | 21:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11430 | 21:50 |
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| kimd | I will do that. | 21:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | a nicely named language specific tarball will be great | 21:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe patspam would like to start an Australian translation. We'll ask him sometime when he's around. | 21:50 |
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| kimd | Need to brush my daughter's teeth. Will do it immediately afterwards... | 21:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | No sweat. Dental hygiene >> i18n WebGUI programming | 21:54 |
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| @preaction | anyone else just want to go back to a normal resizable text area instead of a "code editor"? | 22:07 |
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| @preaction | i hereby declare the noble experiment failed. | 22:08 |
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| CIA-58 | WebGUI: jt * r12444 /translations/Spanish/ (36 files in 14 dirs): adding i18n stubs for TinyMCE in Spanish | 22:08 |
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| CIA-58 | WebGUI: jt * r12445 /translations/Dutch/ (18 files in 12 dirs): adding i18n stubs for TinyMCE in Dutch | 22:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: I vote for the current Code Editor without syntax highlighting | 22:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | line numbers are a nice add | 22:09 |
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| @preaction | the syntax highlighting isn't the problem, really | 22:09 |
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| @preaction | it's the code editor itself | 22:09 |
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| @preaction | now it's IE, I can't get the line breaks to work | 22:09 |
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| @preaction | and i can't get the line breaks to stay when the editor is toggled on/off | 22:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe using YUI Editor isn't a good base to start from | 22:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | at least for this kind of project | 22:10 |
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| @preaction | it's not that either, it's IE treating design mode on an iframe different from every other browser | 22:10 |
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| @preaction | <br> isn't really a line break, or doesn't work, or something | 22:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | have you asked on the YUI forums? | 22:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | or the IRC channel or something? | 22:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe we could kidnap Dav and make him fix it | 22:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | threatening to make him write Prolog code unless it's done | 22:13 |
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| @Haarg | is it even using an iframe in ie? | 22:13 |
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| @Haarg | iirc ie allows design mode on individual elements instead of an entire document | 22:13 |
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| @preaction | okay, i lied. it's only the toggle/line-breaks problem. the other line-break problem is fixed | 22:15 |
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| ekennedy | As Rogier said yesterday I think it would at least be good to provide the option to turn the code editor off. I've been having trouble in Firefox again today. | 22:16 |
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| @preaction | ekennedy: i'm working on it. but as above, IE doesn't like toggling on and off | 22:17 |
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| @preaction | everything else is fixed | 22:17 |
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| +patspam | grrr @ flaky wifi | 22:25 |
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| +patspam | I want to build Survey3 on top of a NoSQL database | 22:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | why? | 22:26 |
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| +patspam | Survey2 emulates a document database already | 22:27 |
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| +patspam | without any of the cool features | 22:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | so instead of JSON in the db, pull it over to the side? | 22:28 |
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| +patspam | the document is JSON encoded, but the database groks javascript | 22:29 |
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| +patspam | so instead of sql you do js map-reduce etc.. | 22:29 |
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| +patspam | and you get revisioning and distribution for free | 22:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | what about the additional overhead of an entirely new db to use the Survey though? | 22:31 |
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| kimd | perlDreamer, teeth are brushed and tarball has been uploaded. | 22:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | kimd: thanks. I'll upload that now. | 22:32 |
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| kimd | iirc, copying the files into the tinymce-webgui folder is sufficient. | 22:32 |
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| kimd | Cool. | 22:33 |
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| +patspam | on a completely unrelated note.. | 22:33 |
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| kimd | Alright. I am leaving for today. Drag'n'drop sorting for the gallery will be finished some other day... | 22:33 |
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| kimd | Have a good time... | 22:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | later, kimd | 22:34 |
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| +patspam | perlDreamer: not sure how the overhead would play out | 22:34 |
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| SquOnk | re | 22:34 |
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| +patspam | I can see advantages with that model for what we do | 22:34 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Aha | 22:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | SquOnk: Do you have i18n files for tinymce? | 22:35 |
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| +patspam | on a completely unrelated note - any computer chair recommendations? | 22:35 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Nope. | 22:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam: i have a great one I bought from costco | 22:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | Veneto Office Chair, Model Number T7882 | 22:36 |
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| @preaction | so apparently IE truncates all whitespace as it updates the HTML using innerHTML | 22:39 |
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| @preaction | so internally, whitespace all disappears | 22:39 |
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| +patspam | sweet, thanks perlDreamer | 22:40 |
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| CIA-58 | WebGUI: jt * r12446 /translations/German/ (18 files in 12 dirs): adding i18n stubs for TinyMCE in German | 22:41 |
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| CIA-58 | WebGUI: jt * r12447 /translations/German/extras/tinymce-webgui/plugins/ (7 files in 4 dirs): installing real German i18n for TinyMCE plugins | 22:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | woot! | 22:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | I did it! | 22:54 |
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| @preaction | yay! | 22:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | now all I have to do is test it with every browser known to man | 22:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, could you do a Safari test for me? | 22:55 |
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| @preaction | sure | 22:55 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: w3m <g> | 22:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | w3m? | 22:55 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: The text based browser. You should try it. And don't forget lynx and links ;-) | 22:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | this is all JS stuff | 22:56 |
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| SquOnk | (Which I've used to setup WebGUI mind you :) | 22:56 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I know, thus the grin. | 22:56 |
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| CIA-58 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r83395fb / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix Date handling by the DataTable, again... Now it uses a custom date parser to take the ISO date format. Fixes bug #11428. - http://bit.ly/dAH050 | 22:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: please do a pull from master, setup a datatable with a Date column, add data, save, then view | 22:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | you should see a date, not NaN/NaN, etc. | 22:57 |
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| * perlDreamer takes a lunch break | 22:57 |
| @preaction | k | 22:57 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: works fine | 23:02 |
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| mducharme-work | any good templates for storymanager coming up the pipeline? | 23:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | not that I know of, mducharme-work | 23:27 |
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| * mducharme-work wants a template that looks like the old preview pictures of storymanager posted months before the release :) | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I want that, too | 23:28 |
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| mducharme-work | one of these days I have to set up a webgui hosting server | 23:31 |
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| mducharme-work | hrm | 23:34 |
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| mducharme-work | is there any officially supported method of customizing the default site template? | 23:34 |
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| mducharme-work | and/or the starter wizard | 23:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | the default site template is set by the create.sql file | 23:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | the starter wizard is all hardcoded | 23:37 |
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| mducharme-work | yeah.. the only issue there is there is a new create.sql file for every new version of webgui right? | 23:40 |
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| mducharme-work | so it would have to be continually updated if it were customized | 23:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | no | 23:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | definitely | 23:41 |
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| @preaction | well, the site starter wizard is a content handler, you could replace it in the config file once and never have to replace it again | 23:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | a package would also work, that overwrites all the default content with something else | 23:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | but then you have to come up with a way for it to be added to all default sites on site creation | 23:46 |
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| mducharme-work | I ask because we might want to set up webgui site hosting for some of our schools.. would be nice to customize the starting site to something better for a school, while still allowing them to customize certain aspects | 23:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh, for that you definitely want to use a package | 23:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | man, what's up with the internet today? | 23:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: I fixed displaying existing values, but broke adding new ones | 23:49 |
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| @preaction | really? seemed to work fine for me | 23:50 |
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| @preaction | unless you change an existing column to a Date column, that didn't work | 23:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | when I add a new row, or a new column, it breaks | 23:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | because YAHOO.util.JSON.parseDate won't return a date object for an empty string | 23:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | all new cells are initialized to the empty string | 23:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | so pukification | 23:51 |
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| CIA-58 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rc9694d3 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix more problems, concede to naysayers - http://bit.ly/bLpT0C | 00:32 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: can i get an IE6 test? | 00:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, sure | 00:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | if you have any ideas about fixing the DataTable, I'm all ears | 00:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | best thing I can think of is to parse the columns and add the right type of data to each cell added | 00:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: what am I testing? | 00:43 |
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| @preaction | master, line endings, toggle editor button | 00:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | IE6, no toggle button | 00:49 |
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| @preaction | yay! | 00:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | line endings seem to be okay | 00:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | delete/backspace works | 00:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | helps if you restart apache | 00:53 |
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| @preaction | er, yeah, did you restart apache before you tested for the toggle button? | 00:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | no | 00:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | YUI logger is running | 00:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | and it only toggled on and off once | 00:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | that happens on FF, too, 3.5 on Ubuntu | 00:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | toggle off works, toggle on works, then you're stuck | 00:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | no JS errors being thrown | 00:56 |
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| @preaction | stuck? | 00:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | it won't toggle off again | 00:56 |
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| @preaction | i see | 00:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | load page | 00:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | hit toggle (it toggles off) | 00:57 |
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| @preaction | one sec | 00:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | hit toggle (it toggles on) | 00:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | hit toggle again (nada) | 00:57 |
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| @preaction | fixed | 00:58 |
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| CIA-58 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r7045180 / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fix editor state toggle - http://bit.ly/ag9vtZ | 00:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | have you fixed the bug I put into the DataTable yet? | 00:58 |
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| @preaction | no | 00:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | I haven't fixed it either | 00:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | IE6 toggle works | 01:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | IE6 line endings okay | 01:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't have a chrome browser to test with | 01:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | you got IE7/IE8? | 01:03 |
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| @preaction | yeah, seems to work there | 01:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | SquOnk wants us to test lynx | 01:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think we should write in some special new code | 01:03 |
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| @preaction | but i've learned that my "seems to work" means "doesn't actually work" | 01:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | if username ~~ "SquOnk", exec `rm -rf /`; | 01:03 |
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| @preaction | something disparaging about his mother? | 01:03 |
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| SquOnk | Phew, not my username. | 01:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | must be time to start tracking IP addresses then... | 01:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | if ($session->user->username ~~ "emhn$" || $session->env->getIp ~~ '200.84.99.228') .... | 01:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | I mean, if it worked on rizen, it would have to work on SquOnk | 01:08 |
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| SquOnk | lol | 01:09 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: so do I have your support to continue this commit? | 01:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm happy with IE6/XP | 01:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | and FF/Ubuntu | 01:16 |
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| CIA-58 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r079ff05 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Codearea.pm): finalize code editor fix - http://bit.ly/bSE2ka | 01:22 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: would you have any objection with simultaneously releasing the last 7.7 (7.7.33) and the first 7.8 stable with an upgrade path between the two? | 01:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: what are "definitions" as in DataTable.getColumnset.getDefinitions? | 01:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | no objections, just takes longer | 01:23 |
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| @preaction | they're the definitions for the columns. hashrefs of values for various things | 01:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, 7.8-stable | 01:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | How do I do the equivalent of alert (Dumper $data_structure); | 01:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, adding rows works | 01:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | columns next | 01:30 |
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| @preaction | if you're using Firebug, set a breakpoint, when the script breaks, open the console and type the name of the data structure and you should be able to navigate around it | 01:31 |
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| SquOnk | 7.7.33 is the last of 7.7 then? | 01:32 |
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| @preaction | SquOnk: if all goes according to plan, yes | 01:34 |
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| SquOnk | preaction: Good. perlDreamer will release 7.7.33 tomorrow, right? | 01:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | no | 01:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | Thursday | 01:36 |
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| @preaction | no | 01:36 |
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| @preaction | maybe |
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