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elnino | preaction, do you have other ideas I should consider? does the newsletter has something like this? | 04:56 |
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@preaction | i would probably do a collaboration system (with the mailing list functions) | 04:57 |
elnino | hmm.. I hadn't thought about the CS.. so.. create the cs with the canned emails, and then..?? | 04:59 |
elnino | the idea is to send one email immediately upon signup | 04:59 |
elnino | then send the next a week later | 04:59 |
elnino | then the next a week later type thing. | 04:59 |
@preaction | ohhh | 05:01 |
@preaction | that i would make into a workflow then | 05:01 |
elnino | =) | 05:01 |
elnino | ok. | 05:01 |
@preaction | i think i'm inadvertantly fixing the WRE for 64-bit systems as I get it to compile on Snow Leopard | 05:56 |
elnino | yea!!! | 06:59 |
elnino | thinking aloud now.. to write a "ecourse" thing, I would need a workflow, probably a new asset called "email" that has it's own template. The admin would then create a bunch of the canned emails in a folder and upon registration, the user will be sent the emails in the order they appear in that folder. | 07:16 |
elnino | the email assset would have a html template, a time it should be sent (relative to user's registration) | 07:16 |
elnino | the workflow would have to be a group workflow? | 07:17 |
elnino | it would have to check the group that the user registered for, and send the appropriate emails for that group. | 07:17 |
elnino | so the "email" asset would have to have a "viewable" group id. | 07:18 |
elnino | hmm. maybe the email would be based on newsletter? | 07:18 |
elnino | maybe upon registration they get subscribed to the newsletter. | 07:24 |
elnino | ans the workflow for the newsletter determines if the email is sent to them and when. | 07:24 |
elnino | yep, I think the "email" would inherit from newsletter. | 07:29 |
elnino | I recommend that this be deleted: http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/html_newsletter/html_newsletter | 07:30 |
elnino | I now wonder if it is an activity as opposed to a workflow. | 08:19 |
elnino | and the activity would go with the "Send Queued Email Messages" workflow. | 08:22 |
elnino | or daily maintaince tasks. | 08:22 |
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SquOnk | Greetings | 15:50 |
SquOnk | Happy new year and all that's said in these cases... | 15:50 |
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+perlDreamer | nice catch, bartjol | 17:34 |
+bartjol | :) | 17:34 |
+perlDreamer | maybe we should start ranking users by the number of actual bugs they report... | 17:34 |
+bartjol | yeah dig down to the deepest, smallest glitch you can find | 17:35 |
+bartjol | off course it has other reasons for me than that to get there | 17:35 |
+perlDreamer | and it's not i18n'ed, either... | 17:36 |
+bartjol | well, people who get to see that won't mind that much, I'd suppose | 17:36 |
+bartjol | otherwise we might have to rewrite the webgui code in different languages | 17:37 |
+perlDreamer | all the other messages are i18n'ed | 17:38 |
+perlDreamer | I must have missed this one | 17:38 |
+bartjol | a, is this shown front end? | 17:38 |
+perlDreamer | I think it's only shown to people in admin mode, but I could be wrong | 17:39 |
+bartjol | maybe I don't notice, because I never set language to Dutch :) | 17:39 |
+perlDreamer | You should, I hear the translation is very good for Dutch | 17:39 |
+bartjol | well, it's neer complete | 17:39 |
+bartjol | near | 17:39 |
+bartjol | whether it's good or not... let other people decide | 17:39 |
+bartjol | ah, stable is complete again | 17:48 |
+bartjol | and beta as wll | 17:51 |
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+perlDreamer | sorry, preaction | 18:23 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rbb8f56a / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix an i18n typo in the SQL Report, and also make sure that a query is not pure whitespace. Fixes bug #11348. - http://bit.ly/8Dhvtf | 18:31 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8667876 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix an i18n typo in the SQL Report, and also make sure that a query is not pure whitespace. Fixes bug #11348. - http://bit.ly/7TPWaA | 18:31 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2edd7d3 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Put changelog notice in the right version. - http://bit.ly/7OGuZo | 18:32 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r0286147 / t/Asset.t : Tests for update - http://bit.ly/7QfpaD | 18:57 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r99083bc / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Remove some instances from Asset.pm of storing data in the object hash. - http://bit.ly/7Dd6Ry | 18:57 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r8664d6f / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Make revisionDate a standard Moose attribute, instead of a Property. - http://bit.ly/676nx0 | 19:09 |
@preaction | i'm starting to think that the entire WRE is a gigantic waste of time | 19:12 |
@preaction | we'd have more luck by just packaging up all the released binaries for the systems, or building scripts for each system | 19:12 |
@preaction | and having WebGUI itself ask a few questions about where to find things and then use scripts to add/remove sites and such | 19:13 |
+perlDreamer | isn't that circular? | 19:13 |
@preaction | huh? | 19:13 |
+perlDreamer | without an infrastructure, WebGUI can't ask questions | 19:13 |
@preaction | it asks questions about the OS's infrastructure | 19:14 |
@preaction | in a script, not in a webpage | 19:14 |
@preaction | a script with no dependencies | 19:14 |
@preaction | (well, Perl as a dependency) | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | ah, okay | 19:14 |
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@preaction | asks where the apache vhost files need to go, what the mysql root user is, where your DocumentRoots are going to go | 19:15 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r1331bf9 / (3 files in 2 dirs): Remove more instances of direct hash access for properties. - http://bit.ly/8DZSFS | 20:32 |
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elnino_ | how does one enable http compression with webgui? or is it already? | 21:12 |
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@preaction | i'm giving up on the WRE. it's been an entire week | 21:28 |
@preaction | and i'm no closer to compiling the thing than when i started. | 21:29 |
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elnino_ | hey preaction... | 22:31 |
@preaction | sup | 22:31 |
elnino_ | did you by any chance see my "talking out loud" above about the ecourse thingy thing? | 22:31 |
elnino_ | wouldn't it really just be an activiy that would go into the "daily maintainace" workflow? | 22:32 |
@preaction | yes, the sending of the e-mail would be an activity | 22:32 |
elnino_ | and I would inherit from the newsletter | 22:32 |
@preaction | well that i don't know | 22:32 |
elnino_ | to create all the "canned" messages and add a field for "the time frame of delivery" from the time of sign up. | 22:33 |
elnino_ | like: 1w, 2w, 3w | 22:33 |
elnino_ | or something. | 22:33 |
elnino_ | it seems that the newsletter has everything I would want...I think... | 22:33 |
elnino_ | templateable emails, html email, | 22:34 |
elnino_ | s/,/. | 22:36 |
elnino_ | re blacklisting whitelisting.. Is it done by ip address? or sender's email? anyone know? | 22:48 |
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@preaction | what kind of blacklisting? usually it's done for an entire mail server (so by IP address) | 22:53 |
elnino_ | oh customer want to know if sending email from wq will black list her, she is currently useing aweber. I believe she is being affected by all theother aweber's customers. whereas, from wg, it's her own ip, so as long as she isn't sending bad stuff | 22:54 |
elnino_ | she can stay whitelisted? | 22:55 |
* elnino_ scratches head | 22:55 | |
elnino_ | apparntly she is being blacklisted when using aweber. | 22:55 |
@preaction | whitelisting is an explicit list that bypasses blacklists | 22:55 |
@preaction | and if she's sending spam, she'll get her other IP blacklisted to | 22:56 |
elnino_ | ok.. so emailing from her own server will keep her from being blacklisted <> on whitelist. | 22:56 |
@preaction | but yes, it's a different IP, so it shouldn't be blacklisted | 22:56 |
elnino_ | yet | 22:56 |
elnino_ | =) | 22:56 |
elnino_ | k | 22:56 |
elnino_ | thanks preaction | 22:59 |
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+perlDreamer | I have to go pick up the kids and run a few errands, I'll be back in a while | 23:40 |
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elnino_ | ok. remindme.. customer wants a pagelayout whose settings are specific. I make this a prototype? prototypes and packages both show up on the left, so I get confused. | 23:44 |
@preaction | prototype, yes | 23:44 |
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elnino_ | packages are used for exporting...got it. | 23:47 |
+perlDreamer | also for importing and deployment | 23:49 |
@Haarg | prototypes are defaults for creating a new asset. it brings up the asset edit screen just like adding a normal asset. deploying a package will create a copy of a tree of assets with no further user control. | 23:55 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r81d811b / (3 files in 3 dirs): Add the Topic description to the default Story Topic template. - http://bit.ly/82D7b1 | 01:28 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r09b669c / (2 files in 2 dirs): Use some JS to prevent people clicking the submit button twice on the ITransact checkout screen. Fixes bug #11351 - http://bit.ly/6zFo2i | 02:00 |
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elnino_ | Haarg, I think what is so confusing to me is hat packages show up in the "new content" portion of the admin bar.. what would be the purpose of doing so? | 03:02 |
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elnino_ | I suppose it's because a package could be a prototype when the prototype involves more than one configued asset... | 03:03 |
elnino_ | where as a real prototype is one pre-configured asset. | 03:03 |
elnino_ | I think I used a package like a prototype once becaause it was a pagelayout with articles on it- all with preconfigured options. | 03:04 |
elnino_ | so I guess I answered my question. It would probably make more sense to me if the two were combined... alow prototypes to be more than one asset and let them be exportable/importable. | 03:05 |
+perlDreamer | elnino, packages show up there so that they can be deployed in a site | 03:32 |
+perlDreamer | and packages have one other advantage, they can be hierarchial | 03:32 |
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elnino_ | perlDreamer, so is the deployment of a prototype different than the deployement of a package? For some reason I had stuck in my mind at one time, that when you deploy one or the other, and later modify the original package or prototype itself, those changes would also be applied. | 03:42 |
elnino_ | Am I making this up? | 03:42 |
+perlDreamer | yup ;) | 03:43 |
elnino_ | oh.. actualy. | 03:43 |
+perlDreamer | if you deploy a prototype (like Haarg said earlier), then it kicks you into the edit screen for 1 asset, with all the defaults set correctly | 03:43 |
elnino_ | when you deploy a package overitself it's true. | 03:43 |
+perlDreamer | if you deploy a package, you get 1 or more assets that are exact copies of the package, with no option for config on deploy | 03:44 |
elnino_ | yep. | 03:44 |
* elnino_ needs to think clearly with out happy noises in the background. | 03:45 | |
+perlDreamer | happy rudy noises? | 03:45 |
elnino_ | everyone. | 03:48 |
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elnino_ | anyone around? I need someone to bounce another idea about subscriptions/billing... | 07:06 |
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+MrHairgrease | in perl? | 15:07 |
+MrHairgrease | sorry wrong window | 15:08 |
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trebbor | Hello.. | 15:34 |
trebbor | I need some help with the WS client, which has been removed from te core. Someone there? | 15:35 |
trebbor | Guess not.. | 15:39 |
+MrHairgrease | I'm here | 15:40 |
+MrHairgrease | but I don't know much about the ws client | 15:40 |
+MrHairgrease | never used it | 15:40 |
trebbor | Ok. But maybe more in general. How can I install a Asset? | 15:41 |
+MrHairgrease | ah | 15:44 |
+MrHairgrease | are you using the wre? | 15:44 |
trebbor | Yep. | 15:44 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 15:45 |
+MrHairgrease | basically you do this | 15:46 |
+MrHairgrease | install the wobject in /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject | 15:46 |
+MrHairgrease | install teh db tables | 15:46 |
+MrHairgrease | add the asset to the config file | 15:46 |
+MrHairgrease | restart mod_perl | 15:46 |
trebbor | But that's the problem. WS Client is still in data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject and I have added them to the config file... | 15:47 |
trebbor | .. but I'm missing the db tables | 15:47 |
+MrHairgrease | oh ok | 15:47 |
trebbor | And I don't know where to find them... | 15:47 |
+MrHairgrease | if you checkout the git repo | 15:47 |
+MrHairgrease | the db tables are in wsclient/docs/WSClient-install.sql | 15:48 |
trebbor | ah cool! | 15:48 |
+MrHairgrease | do mysql -udbUser -pdbPass dbName < WSClient-install.sql | 15:48 |
+MrHairgrease | you'll also want to import the templates which are in | 15:49 |
+MrHairgrease | a package called wsclient/docs/WSClient-templates.wgpkg | 15:49 |
trebbor | Thanks, that's exactly what i needed. So you did help me. :) | 15:50 |
+MrHairgrease | indeed | 15:50 |
+MrHairgrease | now you owe me a beer =) | 15:50 |
trebbor | Haha, that's no problem. | 15:52 |
+MrHairgrease | lucky me | 15:53 |
SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:33 |
trebbor | Hello. | 16:44 |
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elnino_ | morning.. | 18:24 |
+perlDreamer | hey, elnino_ | 18:25 |
elnino_ | someone mentioned at sometime ago that somebody was working on some software that assists in managing webgui sites in a hosting type environment.. | 18:26 |
elnino_ | who, and what would that have been? Or am I dreaming again? | 18:26 |
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+perlDreamer | you mean aside from the WRE? | 18:27 |
elnino_ | yeah | 18:27 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 18:27 |
elnino_ | I think the person's name started with an S | 18:27 |
elnino_ | =) | 18:27 |
+perlDreamer | In real life, or in nick name? | 18:27 |
elnino_ | nick name. | 18:28 |
+perlDreamer | At the WUC SynQ announced WebGUI Starter, which will be cheap, international hosting | 18:28 |
elnino_ | he starts with an S. | 18:29 |
elnino_ | I thought the software was in some repository too. | 18:29 |
elnino_ | SynQ must be asleep still | 18:30 |
* MrHairgrease knows for a fact that the S person just got me beer | 18:30 | |
+MrHairgrease | so isn't all bad =) | 18:30 |
elnino_ | lol | 18:30 |
elnino_ | do you guys work together? | 18:30 |
SDuensin | What kind of management software? | 18:31 |
* SDuensin wants to build a configuration management tool. | 18:31 | |
+MrHairgrease | sort of: procolix and oqapi offices are next to each other | 18:32 |
elnino_ | yeah - something that I can save MY defaults and disable things and when I create a site they would all apply. right now I modify confs alot. | 18:32 |
+MrHairgrease | plus it used to be company | 18:32 |
+MrHairgrease | so we are all one cozy little family | 18:33 |
+MrHairgrease | sort of | 18:33 |
elnino_ | =) | 18:33 |
+MrHairgrease | I don't wanna be really realted to synq =) | 18:33 |
elnino_ | I'm putting in an rfe so that wre would let me copy an existing database to the new site. that would save me time too. | 18:33 |
SDuensin | elnino_: Sounds like what I was wanting. Put all the configs in a database, allow for exceptions/additions per-site, and let the tool regenerate the confs for you. That way, you know all your sites are using the latest configuration parameters and they're all in the same order, etc. | 18:33 |
elnino_ | YES | 18:34 |
* SDuensin also starts with an "S". :-) | 18:34 | |
elnino_ | =) It does!! | 18:36 |
SDuensin | Ideally, I want WebGUI to manage WebGUI installs. Just not had time to do anything about it. | 18:37 |
* SDuensin is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay backlogged on projects. | 18:37 | |
elnino_ | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/11352 here it is if you have anything to add feel free. | 18:38 |
* elnino_ goes and looks at wgtv to find webGUI starter | 18:39 | |
+perlDreamer | it was a hallway announcement | 18:40 |
elnino_ | yeah, it's not there. =( | 18:40 |
* elnino_ looking at story manager now. | 18:40 | |
elnino_ | squirell | 18:40 |
+perlDreamer | not my best presentation | 18:41 |
elnino_ | that's ok. I havn't seen anything from wuc where I don't learn something. | 18:42 |
elnino_ | hmm. | 18:43 |
* elnino_ often wonders if it would be possible to use dimdim when doing these presentations and post the recordings instead of using a camera in the back corner of the room? | 18:43 | |
elnino_ | it seems that story manager is more along the lines of what people expect with a blog... | 18:45 |
+perlDreamer | it can be blog like | 18:45 |
elnino_ | tag cloud, filing by month/date | 18:45 |
+perlDreamer | it should be very cnn.com-like | 18:46 |
elnino_ | I like this. | 18:46 |
elnino_ | hmm. no comments though.. | 18:48 |
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+perlDreamer | son of a gun | 21:42 |
+perlDreamer | if you rollback a version, it doesn't update the search index | 21:44 |
@preaction | nope | 21:49 |
@preaction | sometimes also the lineage doesn't get updated in the search index | 21:49 |
+perlDreamer | you knew this? | 21:50 |
@preaction | i just remembered today, yes | 21:50 |
@preaction | it was from the alumni site early last year | 21:50 |
@preaction | Steve Opal found it | 21:50 |
+perlDreamer | anything else tickled by the phrase, "Hey, I should tell Colin this so he can fix it." ? | 21:51 |
@preaction | no, i think it was fixed | 21:51 |
+perlDreamer | on the Alumni site | 21:51 |
@preaction | no, in WebGUI, just back in 7.7 or something | 21:51 |
@preaction | i dunno though | 21:51 |
@preaction | i hate assetIndex | 21:51 |
+perlDreamer | I don't think it was fixed. | 21:52 |
+perlDreamer | I'll add it to the list | 21:52 |
+perlDreamer | and look at it next week during bug fix day | 21:52 |
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Jaelae | anyone know of a webgui document manager? | 23:29 |
@preaction | what should it do? | 23:32 |
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Jaelae | asking me or no? | 23:36 |
@preaction | yes | 23:37 |
Jaelae | manage documents :P | 23:42 |
Jaelae | for instance a way to categories word / pdf / excel files | 23:43 |
@preaction | define: manage | 23:43 |
@preaction | define: documents | 23:43 |
Jaelae | for users to find the ones they want. like an image gallery but for documents | 23:43 |
@preaction | you could throw them all into a Folder, you could use a collaboration system and attach them, you could use a heirarchy of folders | 23:43 |
@preaction | if you put them into a hierarchy of folders, you can use the Search asset to search through them (including contents) | 23:44 |
@preaction | there's nothing overly sophisticated though, the Gallery could be extended, but it hasn't as of yet | 23:44 |
Jaelae | ahh ok | 23:45 |
Jaelae | hmm | 23:45 |
@preaction | or you could make a Thingy for it | 23:45 |
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CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r8b52d3f / lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm : rework addRevision to work with Moose. - http://bit.ly/4OhqkL | 03:01 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rb7761ce / lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm : Move getParent over to using Moose attributes. - http://bit.ly/5xKRmu | 03:01 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r0c3f4a2 / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Fix a bug with extraHeadTags wrapper, prevent extraHeadTagsPacked and className from being initialized. - http://bit.ly/5gOAIJ | 03:01 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r675bc49 / t/Asset.t : tests for getParent and addRevision. - http://bit.ly/5KfXwf | 03:01 |
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elnino_ | I'm using the CS as a blog, and have set it to everyone to be able to post. but how does a visitor know when they get a response? the post form doesn't ask for a email addres. | 00:39 |
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+perlDreamer | hey, patspam! | 04:28 |
elnino_ | hi! it's been awfly quiet for a LONG time.. | 04:34 |
+perlDreamer | Hi, elnino_ | 04:34 |
+perlDreamer | I was installing a water heater today | 04:34 |
elnino_ | oh. how did that go? | 04:34 |
elnino_ | I think well be doin that soon | 04:35 |
+perlDreamer | not bad, took about 6 hours | 04:35 |
elnino_ | o gee | 04:35 |
+perlDreamer | most of which was trying to find a way to make a big water heater fit in a small closter | 04:35 |
+perlDreamer | closet | 04:35 |
elnino_ | was that about right, or longer than expected? | 04:35 |
+perlDreamer | much longer than expected | 04:36 |
+perlDreamer | should have been 45 minutes | 04:36 |
elnino_ | I hate that when things take longer than planned. | 04:36 |
+perlDreamer | we replaced a stubby, squat 40 gallon heater with a tall, broad 50 gallon heater | 04:36 |
elnino_ | it seems that all diy are tho | 04:36 |
elnino_ | when you buy from the bazzaar, are the files sent to you? or available for a certain time period to download? | 04:39 |
+perlDreamer | no idea | 04:40 |
+perlDreamer | I've never bought anything from the bazaar | 04:40 |
elnino_ | didn;t know if you were part if its implementation. | 04:43 |
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+perlDreamer | nope, I think that was JT and MrHairgrease | 04:56 |
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zylopfa | Anyone have problems with SQLReport when clicking the download link? | 15:26 |
zylopfa | I have a problem that the webserver gets into 100% load and it takes 1min+ to serve the page | 15:26 |
zylopfa | Thanks to the bug report database at webgui.org i found the answer! | 15:31 |
+bartjol | ah, good | 16:26 |
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+bartjol | anyone with an rfe that needs some karma? | 16:59 |
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+perlDreamer | bartjol: you're a karma-spending fool! | 17:42 |
+bartjol | fool? | 17:45 |
+bartjol | why? | 17:45 |
+perlDreamer | fool is American slang for someone who does a lot of something | 17:45 |
+bartjol | karma is meant to be spend! (it rhymes, so it must be true) | 17:45 |
+bartjol | but ning gave me her karma to spend it | 17:46 |
+bartjol | perlDreamer: i suppose you could spend your own karma for rfe's, but if you have one that you want some support for, now's the time to ask | 17:48 |
* perlDreamer likes spending my karma on getting people to write tests | 17:52 | |
+bartjol | mmm, gonna have some time for that when my house is finished.... | 17:53 |
+bartjol | ok, so now, I'm gonna work on that, scrubbing tiles and putting in a ceiling | 17:53 |
+bartjol | adieu | 17:54 |
+perlDreamer | adios | 17:54 |
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zylopfa | Anyone know of any errors with the friend request system? | 18:26 |
zylopfa | Somehow i get errors and i backtracked it to that the original mail was not found in the mailbox | 18:26 |
zylopfa | Does the system somewhere hard-delete messages? | 18:26 |
+perlDreamer | Friend's requests expire | 18:28 |
+perlDreamer | and there is a workflow activity that purges old inbox messages after a preset time (1 year by default) | 18:28 |
zylopfa | yeah by a workflow | 18:28 |
zylopfa | but its this workflow who cant find the original friend mailId | 18:29 |
zylopfa | Ohh shit | 18:29 |
zylopfa | Thats fatal | 18:29 |
zylopfa | then 1) activity purge email messages after some time | 18:29 |
zylopfa | 2) the DenyUnansweredFriends workflow looks for these messages of invites | 18:30 |
zylopfa | and cant find em cause 1) deletede em | 18:30 |
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zylopfa | Thats a bad error I think | 18:30 |
+perlDreamer | That's a bad user configuration | 18:31 |
zylopfa | how so? | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | because Friends requests expire way before the default 1 year | 18:31 |
zylopfa | I havent set anything but the default in that regard | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | then it probably isn't the problem | 18:32 |
zylopfa | I have manually delete the requests that made errors cause the corresponding mailId couldnt be found in their inbox | 18:33 |
zylopfa | But I think there are problems with the friend system, I will be more alert as to what causes it in the future | 18:33 |
zylopfa | Cause at my site someone got 24560 messages that "user denied your friend request" | 18:33 |
+perlDreamer | very good. Please report them as bugs with all the details you can, including any manual db work you do. | 18:33 |
+perlDreamer | That's what I call denial. | 18:34 |
zylopfa | haa yeah | 18:34 |
zylopfa | I have installed a message counter now to see if anyones mailbox suddenly skyrocket | 18:34 |
zylopfa | So i can alert myself to the problem if it arise again | 18:34 |
zylopfa | I am running with 15,000 users so i have to watch things | 18:35 |
zylopfa | perlDreamer, is it true that you become ignorant to other cms when using webgui? | 18:36 |
+perlDreamer | not exclusively, but I think people are more familiar with what you use on a regular basis | 18:36 |
zylopfa | yeah | 18:36 |
zylopfa | I dont know forexample Joomla only that many use it, but i wont try it | 18:37 |
zylopfa | cause i always seen php programmers mixing code and markup | 18:37 |
+perlDreamer | I'd like to learn some of the other CMS'es, just so I can understand them better. | 18:37 |
zylopfa | I remember in the old days php was good cause you could do just that | 18:37 |
+perlDreamer | I think we could learn some things from Joomla, Drupal, etc | 18:37 |
zylopfa | yeah I guess | 18:37 |
zylopfa | the API of Webgui is insane good imo | 18:38 |
zylopfa | if you take your time to read it ofc | 18:38 |
+perlDreamer | yes, definitely | 18:38 |
zylopfa | I am getting good response on my workflows on the bazaar at webgui.org | 18:39 |
zylopfa | I made a form to sms workflow for the dataform, which i think is real good | 18:40 |
+perlDreamer | I saw that | 18:40 |
zylopfa | its not robust yet but more like a proof of concept | 18:41 |
zylopfa | I made it for a site where you can get reminders for birthdays, meetings and other things, by sms texting | 18:41 |
zylopfa | I am using the buildin Cron also | 18:42 |
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CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r3d5add8 / (5 files in 5 dirs): | 18:54 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Fix problems with the Sales tab in the Shop Account plugin. | 18:54 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Only display the Sales tab to vendors, and prevent www_viewSales from erroring out if the | 18:54 |
CIA-36 | webgui: user is not a vendor. New template, template variable, i18n. - http://bit.ly/72DGxw | 18:54 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re38fe47 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move package to the right place. - http://bit.ly/4B6Bpa | 18:54 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1e7f443 / (5 files in 5 dirs): | 18:54 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Fix problems with the Sales tab in the Shop Account plugin. | 18:54 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Only display the Sales tab to vendors, and prevent www_viewSales from erroring out if the | 18:54 |
CIA-36 | webgui: user is not a vendor. New template, template variable, i18n. - http://bit.ly/75pNQy | 18:54 |
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zylopfa | have a good one | 19:26 |
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elnino | where does the list of timezones com efrom? | 23:25 |
elnino | I'm working on a 7.7.21 site and the list is not a list of timezones, but rather extrememly long, and it seems that it lists | 23:26 |
elnino | all the american states but Minnesota =( | 23:26 |
+perlDreamer | Form/TimeZone.pm? | 23:35 |
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+perlDreamer | In a Collaboration System, if you lost the lastPostDate and lastPostId, are there any quick/easy ways to find them again? | 23:48 |
elnino | ok. perlDreamer.. was this something that changed? I don't recall such a large list.. | 23:49 |
+perlDreamer | those come right out of the DateTime modules, so we don't change them | 23:50 |
+perlDreamer | it is entirely possible they've changed | 23:50 |
elnino | oh. they aren't timezones at all, just a bunch of America/state name. I guess I thought it was the normal gst-6 etc. or whatever the appreviation is. | 23:51 |
+perlDreamer | I'd bet that they're all aliases for real time zone names | 23:51 |
elnino | too many. should only be 6 or so in america. | 23:52 |
elnino | oh well ok. | 23:52 |
elnino | I just didn't know what to pick for myself. =) | 23:53 |
+perlDreamer | pick a state in your time zone, then file a CPAN bug that says they're discriminating against Minnesotans | 23:53 |
elnino | lol | 23:53 |
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+perlDreamer | elnino, I can fix your CS duplication bug, but the part you didn't report is very difficult | 00:02 |
+perlDreamer | not only is the thread/reply count off, but the lastPost information is off, too | 00:02 |
+perlDreamer | I'm starting to think we should disable deep copying for CSes | 00:03 |
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elnino | sorry perlDreamer... I left, I'm back, but leaving soon again, you know how it goes.. | 00:57 |
+perlDreamer | indeed :) | 00:57 |
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elnino | well, I'm glad I found a juicy one for you... | 00:58 |
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CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r97338ff / (2 files in 2 dirs): | 01:02 |
CIA-36 | webgui: When duplicating a CS with now children, clear out the replies and threads. When duplicating with children, recalculate them again, since duplicating clears them. Fixes bug #11347. | 01:02 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Note, the lastPostId and lastPostDate are cleared, and gone. There is no way to recover it after duplicating the branch since | 01:02 |
CIA-36 | webgui: the creationDates and revisionDates are reset when duplicating. - http://bit.ly/4BNmQB | 01:02 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r63b6e6f / (2 files in 2 dirs): | 01:03 |
CIA-36 | webgui: When duplicating a CS with now children, clear out the replies and threads. When duplicating with children, recalculate them again, since duplicating clears them. Fixes bug #11347. | 01:03 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Note, the lastPostId and lastPostDate are cleared, and gone. There is no way to recover it after duplicating the branch since | 01:03 |
CIA-36 | webgui: the creationDates and revisionDates are reset when duplicating. - http://bit.ly/8BsIcV | 01:03 |
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elnino | do polls have undefined fields availalbe to them? I'm assumeing not... | 01:07 |
+perlDreamer | No, a Poll present a limited number of options for a user to pick from. | 01:08 |
+perlDreamer | Sounds like you want a survey. | 01:08 |
elnino | no.. client want's two description fields. I don't know why... =( | 01:08 |
elnino | where do I find these people? | 01:09 |
+perlDreamer | good question. How do you find these people? | 01:09 |
elnino | lol. | 01:10 |
elnino | freelancing sites. definately not worth the pain. I think I'm quitting once I'm done with these people. | 01:11 |
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+perlDreamer | what good are 2 description fields? | 01:22 |
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+perlDreamer | our list of countries is really bad | 04:00 |
+perlDreamer | Some of them are uninhabited islands near the Antarctic | 04:00 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, down from 44 broken countries to 13 | 04:02 |
+perlDreamer | I'm going to commit this work soon, and release it | 04:02 |
+perlDreamer | we'll have to track down all the little Islands in Form::Country one by one with help from the USPS | 04:03 |
+perlDreamer | oh, and North Korea | 04:03 |
+perlDreamer | I can't find a name that the USPS will take | 04:03 |
@preaction | because they don't ship to North Korea | 04:06 |
@preaction | or Cuba probably | 04:06 |
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+perlDreamer | oh no, it says "Invalid Country Name". Thats a different error message. | 05:21 |
@preaction | ah | 05:29 |
elnino | perlDreamer - there is no good in having two desription fields. Tho I do see value in having "before poll" and "after poll" text. =) | 05:30 |
+perlDreamer | that sounds like a Description, and snippet and a custom template to me | 05:30 |
elnino | but I'm not going to rfe that.. I'm just shaking my head on this request. | 05:30 |
+perlDreamer | you really going to hang it up after this one? | 05:31 |
+perlDreamer | or just look for different customers? | 05:31 |
elnino | lol. | 05:32 |
elnino | I talked her out of it. | 05:32 |
elnino | she has a lot of polls going on. I'm not even goiing to mention that possiblity. | 05:32 |
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+perlDreamer | I went to a pre-quote meeting last week, asked questions about their hosting setup, and haven't heard anything back at all | 05:37 |
+perlDreamer | quotes are due Wednesday | 05:37 |
+perlDreamer | I don't think I'm going to submit one for that project. | 05:37 |
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CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd04d457 / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 06:01 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Fix several countries whose addresses were rejected by the USPS International ship driver. Fixes bug #11359. | 06:01 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Also, update two countries in Form::Country - http://bit.ly/932i42 | 06:01 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2c4e221 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Country.pm): Also, update two countries in Form::Country as part of bug #11359 - http://bit.ly/86NjWC | 06:02 |
elnino | perlDreamer I wouldn't either. | 06:26 |
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+perlDreamer | what say, tavisto? | 07:26 |
@tavisto | hey brotha | 07:26 |
@tavisto | day 1 completed. :) Even went and played as a sub on Sarah's indoor soccer team. | 07:27 |
@tavisto | Presentations went well and everyone liked my matrix ideas as well as JT's new stuff | 07:27 |
+perlDreamer | this week is meeting week? | 07:28 |
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@tavisto | yeppers | 07:45 |
@tavisto | we're doing bug fixes tomorrow so definitely rock that out with us | 07:46 |
@tavisto | yo patspam | 07:46 |
+patspam | yo tavisto | 07:46 |
@tavisto | so how are you liking NYC? | 07:46 |
+patspam | hard to say | 07:47 |
+patspam | I'm in melbourne atm | 07:47 |
+patspam | =p | 07:47 |
@tavisto | I was there 2 months ago. Midtown area to present wG to United Nations. We didn't get selected for project but I was able to hit up the coolest rooftop bar called 230 Fifth | 07:47 |
@tavisto | oh, well I didn't know that | 07:47 |
+patspam | heh, don't you read my facebook status messages :( | 07:47 |
@tavisto | when you're back there.. definitely hit that up... it overlooks the Empire State Bldg and all of downtown.. It's huuuge too | 07:47 |
+patspam | awesome, I'll check it out | 07:48 |
@tavisto | haven't lately, not much time for facebook | 07:48 |
@tavisto | why are you back? Nothing bad I hope | 07:48 |
+patspam | nah just sorting my long-term visa | 07:48 |
+patspam | the wheels turn slowly | 07:48 |
@tavisto | oh yeah I can imagine.. especially with all the stuff lately | 07:48 |
+patspam | if all goes well I'll be back in the first week of feb | 07:48 |
@tavisto | excellent | 07:48 |
+patspam | ping me if you're ever back in nyc | 07:48 |
+patspam | we can hit up that bar together | 07:49 |
@tavisto | yeah I'll be going out there for sure. I've got a few friends out there so we'll definitely all get together | 07:49 |
+patspam | awesome | 07:49 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto, y'all are not coming back for OSCON, right? | 07:50 |
@tavisto | nope, but I may make an appearance in Cali (where OSCON is from now on.. right?) | 07:51 |
@tavisto | tradeshows did not generate any ROI and they are expensive | 07:51 |
@tavisto | well not tangible anyway.. maybe we'll eventually see some | 07:51 |
@tavisto | when you have 2200 competitors in the marketplace it's tough to stand out | 07:52 |
+perlDreamer | OSCON is back in PDX this year | 07:52 |
@tavisto | oh wow, didn't know that | 07:52 |
+perlDreamer | probably still not worth the price of admission, though | 07:52 |
+perlDreamer | iirc, it was pretty spendy | 07:52 |
@tavisto | would be great to go out there but money is still an object :) | 07:52 |
@tavisto | however, it may not be if some of our new top secret super uber cool stuff takes hold | 07:53 |
@tavisto | guys, I could have sworn that there was a switch to enable people to recover their usernames in wG | 07:54 |
@tavisto | am I on crack? | 07:54 |
+perlDreamer | yup, put down the pipe | 07:55 |
+perlDreamer | we only recover passwords | 07:55 |
+perlDreamer | but, i think you can enter in an email address and it will work, too | 07:55 |
@tavisto | hmm.. alright, so when peeps forget their username on cmsmatrix they have to email me for the info | 07:56 |
@tavisto | ugh | 07:56 |
@tavisto | I swear we used to have this feature in like 6.x | 07:56 |
+perlDreamer | in other news, the USPS has decided that it makes no sense to provide an easy to use list of supported Country names | 07:56 |
@tavisto | maybe 5.5 days | 07:56 |
* perlDreamer will double check | 07:56 | |
@tavisto | SUPER | 07:56 |
@tavisto | why would it, that would make sense. | 07:56 |
+perlDreamer | there is a switch to enable/disable password recoverty | 07:57 |
@tavisto | USPS wants to grow it's services and compete with UPS/FedEx but like any government operated entity... they're idiots who are mismanaging the majority of the resources and have no clear direction | 07:57 |
@tavisto | yeah, but that's not what I'm referring to | 07:57 |
+perlDreamer | ah, there is a setting called passwordRecoveryRequiresUsername | 07:58 |
+perlDreamer | it works with recovering a password using profile fields... | 07:59 |
+perlDreamer | if you don't use usernames, you can look it up via email address | 07:59 |
+perlDreamer | so I was wrong | 07:59 |
+perlDreamer | you can recover passwords without a username | 07:59 |
+perlDreamer | but you have to have some other info, like the email address used for the account, or the value of several profile fields | 08:00 |
@tavisto | yeah using profile fields.. I'm aware of that method as well | 08:01 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto, on TGC, how do I make test checkouts without getting charged? | 08:01 |
@tavisto | that's kind of a cool way to do it but still not perfect for what we need | 08:01 |
+perlDreamer | you can use the email address way | 08:01 |
@tavisto | well the best way is to test and then have us void the sale. Then it doesn't even go into processing | 08:01 |
+perlDreamer | cool. I don't want a rehash of last week's double checkout submit problem. | 08:02 |
@tavisto | we can do it minutes after you process an order. Although, we need to make sure we let everyone know so that all parts of the order checkout are cancelled | 08:02 |
@tavisto | if you want to do it tomorrow I can help ya and make sure Doug kills the backend orders so they don't get printed.. We'll be in the same room afterall :) | 08:02 |
@tavisto | the orders have been streaming in today | 08:02 |
+perlDreamer | probably better to do bug fixes first | 08:03 |
+perlDreamer | although, I am still planning on upgrading that server tomorrow | 08:03 |
@tavisto | well I'm just saying it would be good to test it b/c it's fast and everyone is here together | 08:03 |
+perlDreamer | that's true | 08:03 |
@tavisto | coolio, it's been a pig the last couple of days | 08:03 |
@tavisto | order #1011 just rolled in | 08:03 |
@tavisto | I think we started today at like 995 or something | 08:04 |
+perlDreamer | if this keeps up, y'all are going to have to expand | 08:06 |
@tavisto | nm, 1000 is what we hit today as first order | 08:06 |
@tavisto | we did about $1k in rev today | 08:06 |
@tavisto | we made things more efficient and 2 guys can really rock out some orders.. some of the time our guys have had idle time | 08:06 |
@tavisto | even with the big orders coming in.. so that's great to see | 08:06 |
+perlDreamer | are you getting any of those off-Shop bulk orders? | 08:07 |
+perlDreamer | where people order BIG amounts of games? | 08:07 |
@tavisto | we really just need like 1.50 people working in there and so things are going well. If we continue to grow we've got the whole night shift available and we could get a vampire to work 3rd shift hehe | 08:07 |
@tavisto | we've had a few 50+ orders but not too much yet | 08:07 |
@tavisto | several of those are coming we're told. | 08:07 |
@tavisto | it's kind of a pain because it's outside of the parameters that we've setup.. However, Doug made a nice bulk price selector that we can enter a price for x amount of quantity.. very basic but works | 08:08 |
+perlDreamer | time for this old man to head to bed. | 08:17 |
+perlDreamer | more hackery tomorrow | 08:17 |
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ckotil | Good Morning. Has anyone ever generated a crumb trail for each search result returned from the search asset? | 16:52 |
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+bartjol | ckotil: do you mean that you show a path instead of the title with parts of that path also being links to those location (in order not to give you hope, no I haven't) | 17:18 |
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+perlDreamer | bug triage: | 17:36 |
+perlDreamer | rss.url was trying to use a template variable that does not exist | 17:36 |
+perlDreamer | the UTF bug seems to be Debian only. I've asked the submitter to try a demo site to double check, and assigned the bug to SquOnk | 17:37 |
+perlDreamer | I'm going to try to duplicate the double version tag/IE8 on XP bug next | 17:37 |
+perlDreamer | bopbop: that's a great RFE | 17:40 |
@bopbop | why, thank you perlDreamer | 17:40 |
+bartjol | great rfe's? | 17:40 |
+bartjol | i have some karma to spend | 17:41 |
@bopbop | I posted one: ability to commit from the revisions in tag screen | 17:41 |
@bopbop | 11360 | 17:41 |
+bartjol | perlDreamer: do you know whether if when you change the session timeout, the expired field is recalculated? | 17:42 |
+perlDreamer | I think that only works on new sessions, not existing ones, bartjol | 17:42 |
+bartjol | I was afraid of that | 17:42 |
+bartjol | I have a url handler to show the activesessions | 17:43 |
+bartjol | for some statistics program | 17:43 |
+bartjol | and my own site has 1000+ sessions | 17:43 |
+bartjol | I can't really imagine | 17:43 |
+perlDreamer | do you want to expire them all now? | 17:44 |
+bartjol | well, not my own maybe | 17:44 |
+bartjol | just all the googlebot stuff | 17:44 |
+bartjol | and stuff like it | 17:44 |
+perlDreamer | can you delete them by userId, and delete all visitor sessions? | 17:44 |
+bartjol | ah, yeah | 17:45 |
+bartjol | I was doubting wheteher the db approach was a good one | 17:45 |
+perlDreamer | you do have to cleanup other tables | 17:46 |
+perlDreamer | or, you could write a small script which does the work for you | 17:46 |
+bartjol | the scratch I suppose | 17:46 |
+bartjol | ah | 17:46 |
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+perlDreamer | do the select, open the session, then close it | 17:46 |
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+perlDreamer | closing will do the cleanup for you | 17:46 |
ckotil | bartjol: im suggesting in addition to the assets title, url, synopsis, keywords in the search asset results, also have a crumbtrail for each result | 17:46 |
+bartjol | ah, that would be an rfe | 17:48 |
+bartjol | I do have karma, but will only spend it on approved rfe's | 17:48 |
+perlDreamer | having a crumbtrail per asset would be hugely expensive | 17:49 |
+perlDreamer | if you're talking about a standard Navigation crumbtrail | 17:49 |
+perlDreamer | if you're not, then I'll shut up and let you tell me more about your great idea :) | 17:50 |
ckotil | yeah, nav crumbtrail | 17:50 |
ckotil | but since there are only 10 search results per page, would it really be hugely expensive? | 17:51 |
ckotil | now if you were returning 100's of search results maybe | 17:51 |
+perlDreamer | yes, because it 10*number_of_ancestor asset lookups | 17:51 |
+perlDreamer | so, if your assets are 3 levels deep, it's 30 asset lookups | 17:51 |
ckotil | ah yes. perhaps a new table column could hold the crumb trail data for each asset | 17:52 |
ckotil | another possibility is to parse the asset URL and create a faux crumb trail. assuming my url's are hierarchical | 17:58 |
+perlDreamer | that would be another macro | 18:02 |
CIA-36 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r53a87a3 / lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm : use new sqlite unicode code with new versions - http://bit.ly/6h57ik | 18:12 |
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+perlDreamer | bopbop, I wondered why you didn't just fix the link to the wiki | 18:16 |
+perlDreamer | after tracking it down, I know why | 18:16 |
@bopbop | :) | 18:16 |
@bopbop | yeah- not an area I like to muck around in | 18:17 |
+bartjol | just fix it with an axe | 18:19 |
+perlDreamer | I can see that remodeling has altered bartjol's approach to coding and content management | 18:21 |
+bartjol | I don't use axes for my house, you silly, I use bulldozers and sledgehammers | 18:22 |
+bartjol | for code and content, I'm subtle :) | 18:22 |
+bartjol | but tabee | 18:23 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction, Haarg: the long pending bugfix for Javascript::Packer has been released. | 18:38 |
+perlDreamer | I'd like to bump the version number in both branches | 18:39 |
+perlDreamer | are y'all okay with that? | 18:39 |
@Haarg | what is the bug? | 18:39 |
@preaction | what was the bugfix? and yeah go ahead | 18:39 |
@Haarg | it won't break the stable version if they ran it with the older version so it seems like it would be ok to up the version tag | 18:40 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11034 | 18:40 |
+perlDreamer | the only hang up is trying to pack some jquery code | 18:40 |
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+perlDreamer | I'll add a test to make sure it's fixed, using knowmad's example. | 18:43 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r858c366 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Update version for JavaScript::Packed to handle some gnarly JS. Fixes bug #11034. - http://bit.ly/6ubqfW | 19:06 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rea53dcc / (4 files in 4 dirs): Update version for JavaScript::Packed to handle some gnarly JS. Fixes bug #11034. - http://bit.ly/5NVPpa | 19:06 |
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+perlDreamer | bopbop, SSO between PB and WG is supposed to work | 20:34 |
+perlDreamer | JT wrote a custom auth plugin for it | 20:34 |
+perlDreamer | when he split the sites | 20:35 |
@preaction | not SSO, just single accounts | 20:36 |
@preaction | the accounts are shared, but the sign-on is not. auth isn't plugged in at that level to control things like that | 20:36 |
+perlDreamer | okay doke | 20:40 |
ckotil | SSO between plainblack.com and webgui.org is very convinient | 20:42 |
ckotil | s/is/was | 20:42 |
ckotil | however, i get more karma now these days | 20:42 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: you ready to talk about those two discussable bugs? | 21:01 |
@preaction | give me 60 minutes. gotta pound out the support boards | 21:01 |
+perlDreamer | cool | 21:02 |
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CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r41b741d / (3 files in 2 dirs): Convert Snippet to moose accessors. - http://bit.ly/8JVvZd | 21:35 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction, since we're at cross purposes, the bugs I want to talk about are 11346 and 11304 | 21:50 |
@preaction | 11346: I'm not opposed to it, but when does it become a problem? 10 files in a storage location? 100? 1000? | 21:52 |
@preaction | or perhaps instead of trying to list the files in Storage->getThumbnailUrl, it should do something more sane | 21:53 |
@preaction | like just -r "thumb-".$filename | 21:53 |
@preaction | i've responded to the other one | 21:59 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction, no idea about the scability. | 23:01 |
@preaction | the -f( "thumb-" . $filename ); seems like a saner solution | 23:02 |
+perlDreamer | instead of iterating through N files N times? probably saner and faster | 23:04 |
@preaction | might want to change "thumb-" to a package global var | 23:13 |
@preaction | but that's just gravy | 23:14 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r779f037 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject.pm : Change defaultValue to default in Wobject.pm - http://bit.ly/7RO9Vr | 23:14 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rc7979a1 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Snippet.pm : Change defaultValue to default in Snippet.pm - http://bit.ly/7OLPRR | 23:14 |
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CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r16d9076 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku.pm lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Shelf.pm): Convert Sku and Shelf to Moose. - http://bit.ly/5gaEV9 | 23:17 |
SquOnk | Greetings | 23:17 |
+perlDreamer | Greetings, SquOnk | 23:17 |
+perlDreamer | Do you have a handle on the Debian UTF encoding bug on the boards? | 23:17 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: I've sent a couple of replies. I can't reproduce it in a Debian Sid, so I guess it's something related to the particular installation. | 23:18 |
+perlDreamer | SquOnk, I hate those kinds of bugs | 23:18 |
+perlDreamer | but at least it isn't in MySQL or TinyMCE for a change | 23:18 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Yeah | 23:19 |
* SquOnk looks at the beautiful ?? in the 7.7.30 testbed | 23:21 | |
SquOnk | So, no WebGUI bug, no MySQL bug, no TinyMCE bug, no Debian bug... | 23:22 |
SquOnk | ...PEBCAK or Layer 8 | 23:22 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: The nice thing about this kind of bug is that they force you to check things you wouldn't usually check. | 23:23 |
+perlDreamer | I've heard of PEBCAK, but what is Layer 8? | 23:24 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Layer 8 as in the eight layer of the OSI network model, Layer 7 being "Application Layer" ;-) | 23:26 |
SquOnk | eighth | 23:26 |
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SquOnk | perlDreamer: Sometimes we even use Layer 9 meaning "the world hates you" | 23:26 |
+perlDreamer | I like that | 23:30 |
ckotil | Heh | 23:36 |
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+perlDreamer | yo, tavisto | 00:48 |
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dionak | woohoo! hello webgui | 00:59 |
+perlDreamer | hey, dionak! | 01:00 |
+perlDreamer | long time no IRC | 01:00 |
dionak | yes, thus the exclamation! | 01:00 |
+perlDreamer | how are things back east? | 01:00 |
dionak | but this is william who doesn't know how to change nick on this Mac | 01:00 |
dionak | finally warming up! | 01:00 |
dionak | glad you're around as we have a pseudo request question for you | 01:00 |
dionak | we're trying to test a form post but are having trouble retrieving the params using session->form->param | 01:01 |
@tavisto | hey perlDreamer | 01:01 |
+perlDreamer | can you paste some test code for me, dionak/knowmad? | 01:01 |
dionak | my interpretation is that the pseudorequest doesn't support the way the WebGUI::session::form is expecting the data structure to be | 01:02 |
dionak | sure | 01:02 |
dionak | pastebin? | 01:02 |
+perlDreamer | sure | 01:02 |
dionak | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d5adac4d3 | 01:04 |
dionak | this is the beginning of our test | 01:04 |
+perlDreamer | line 100 looks suspicious | 01:07 |
+perlDreamer | you access the pseudorequest through the session object, then replace it with something else? | 01:07 |
+perlDreamer | the data structure looks fine | 01:07 |
dionak | that's why it's commented out | 01:07 |
dionak | we're working off some old code, btw | 01:07 |
dionak | i take no responsibilty ;) | 01:07 |
dionak | i need to make 1 more mod for you to really see the issue | 01:08 |
dionak | http://webgui.pastebin.com/dfe467f0 | 01:09 |
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dionak | the last 2 lines are effectively what's happening in WebGUI::Session::Form::param | 01:09 |
dionak | Apache2::Request returns an object whereas pseudoreq appears to return a hash which gets eval'ed into the number of elements (28 in the case of this example) | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | calling Dumper enforces a context, list context | 01:11 |
+perlDreamer | ->param says that if you call it in list context, it returns the keys | 01:11 |
+perlDreamer | try assigning it to a scalar, then dumping that | 01:11 |
+perlDreamer | and I'll try it, too :) | 01:11 |
dionak | but i don't think context is important unless you're passing in a field name | 01:11 |
dionak | which by the way works fine | 01:11 |
+perlDreamer | let's make a difference between session->form->param, and session->request->param | 01:13 |
+perlDreamer | form->param works the way I said it did | 01:13 |
dionak | ok, our test returned 0 | 01:14 |
dionak | my $paramForm = $session->form->param(); | 01:14 |
dionak | print "\nrequest => " . Dumper($paramForm); | 01:14 |
dionak | is that what you mean? | 01:14 |
+perlDreamer | yup | 01:14 |
dionak | output => $VAR1 = 0; | 01:14 |
+perlDreamer | let's take a step back | 01:15 |
dionak | sure | 01:15 |
+perlDreamer | what is it you want to get from the session request object? | 01:15 |
dionak | the form params from post (pseudo) | 01:15 |
+perlDreamer | all of them at once? | 01:16 |
dionak | yes | 01:16 |
+perlDreamer | with no server side validation? | 01:16 |
dionak | not sure where you're going with that question but i wasn't expecting any | 01:16 |
+perlDreamer | well, to get the raw data, use $session->form->paramsHashRef | 01:17 |
dionak | what about the validated data? how would we do that? | 01:17 |
+perlDreamer | if you want WebGUI to validate your form data, then use $session->form->__FIELD_TYPE__(__FIELD_NAME) | 01:18 |
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+perlDreamer | field type is things like text, checkList, integer, float, and so on, things in WebGUI::Form::* | 01:19 |
dionak | ok; so when would we want to call session->form->param? | 01:19 |
dionak | btw, in our test script, session->form->paramsHashRef is empty | 01:20 |
dionak | do you have any tests that successfully post a form where we could see how the setup works and test these methods? | 01:21 |
dionak | i'm really unsure if it's us or the pseduo req object causing these testing travails | 01:21 |
+perlDreamer | ack setup_body /data/WebGUI/t will find all those tests | 01:22 |
+perlDreamer | $params = $session->form->paramsHashRef(); returns a good looking hashref for me | 01:22 |
dionak | with our code or yours? | 01:22 |
+perlDreamer | I pasted your code into a script and ran it | 01:22 |
dionak | what version of pseudorequest? | 01:23 |
+perlDreamer | the one in 7.8.10 | 01:23 |
dionak | that' may be the difference | 01:24 |
dionak | we're on an older version | 01:24 |
+perlDreamer | and 7.7.31 looks good, too | 01:24 |
+perlDreamer | which version? | 01:24 |
dionak | lemme check | 01:24 |
+perlDreamer | wgd version will tell you | 01:24 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg++ | 01:24 |
dionak | 7.6.35 | 01:24 |
dionak | kudos Haarg | 01:24 |
+perlDreamer | yup, I get the same results as you on 7.6.35 | 01:25 |
dionak | good to know! | 01:25 |
+perlDreamer | did some more digging | 01:25 |
+perlDreamer | for validated data, you do $session->form->process(fieldName, fieldType); | 01:25 |
dionak | that's cool | 01:25 |
dionak | thanks | 01:26 |
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+perlDreamer | that's aliased to several different things, like ->get | 01:26 |
dionak | does wgd have a way to do diff's between versions? | 01:31 |
dionak | guess i could use diff directly but i'm trying to learn how to be more lazy | 01:32 |
dionak | ok, thanks for the help. gotta run get some dinner. | 01:33 |
dionak | ttys | 01:33 |
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+perlDreamer | I hate forgetting how the form system works every 2 months | 01:34 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: new Storage code is 392% faster, with 1 file in the Storage | 01:47 |
@preaction | i like it! | 01:47 |
+perlDreamer | that was a limited # of trials | 01:47 |
+perlDreamer | with 5 files, it's 1400% faster | 01:53 |
+perlDreamer | I think we have a winner | 01:53 |
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CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r066e654 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Improve the performance of getThumbnailUrl by 1400%. Fixes bug #11346 - http://bit.ly/79Uh7V | 01:58 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r9655b15 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Improve the performance of getThumbnailUrl by 1400%. Fixes bug #11346 - http://bit.ly/8NAGsQ | 01:58 |
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+perlDreamer | I remember the good old days | 02:27 |
+perlDreamer | when i could work for a 7-8 hour stretch | 02:28 |
+perlDreamer | of course, there was also yelling and screaming and cursing | 02:28 |
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elnino | hello! is there a way to disable the notifications of when version tags are approved? | 03:16 |
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elnino | whoa... where do I put the keywords on the product asset so that it appears on the correct shelve(s) | 03:57 |
elnino | The keywords are appearing as meta tags, II didn't expect that.. It's creating invalid html | 03:59 |
elnino | and I'm getting dupliate style tags when more than one product appears on the shelf. | 03:59 |
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CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2510b5d / t/Asset/Sku/Product.t : Update the Product test for changes in the Storage API. - http://bit.ly/83i1Qk | 04:40 |
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CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rb979628 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm : Update Product to use Moose. - http://bit.ly/8nFSFD | 05:24 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r4e65824 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject.pm : Fix a typo in Wobject. - http://bit.ly/7mBgKQ | 05:24 |
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elnino | anyone know how to disable the scrolling in the yui sub menus?? | 06:14 |
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elnino | figured it out. | 06:32 |
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CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r36d1636 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm : Comment out troublesome code, and provide a default sub for the Product. - http://bit.ly/6Gc4Mx | 06:32 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9f000f8 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.8.10 release. - http://bit.ly/68RCct | 06:43 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb976697 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.8.11 development. - http://bit.ly/6dn6qn | 07:26 |
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KlausH | Hi. Is there a problem oder a change with the translation server? The language overview shows incorrect percent of completion and commit to svn seems not to work. | 14:55 |
bartjol1 | I only see 100%'s | 14:55 |
bartjol1 | and svn commit seems te work to | 14:56 |
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KlausH | it shows 100% even if the translation is after an webgui update no more complete | 14:56 |
bartjol1 | the main thing rounds up I believe | 14:57 |
KlausH | when i click commit to svn always the same 6 assets show up. | 14:57 |
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bartjol1 | mm | 14:58 |
bartjol1 | that is not good | 14:58 |
bartjol1 | unfortunately no one with server access around now | 14:59 |
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bartjol1 | it definitely looks confusing | 15:01 |
bartjol1 | ah, and in the past you'd get a svn commit id | 15:01 |
KlausH | i thought, when translation was not complete last year it shows 99.9% and now it remains at 100%. perhaps i remember wrong. | 15:01 |
KlausH | Madision is still asleep :-) | 15:01 |
bartjol1 | maybe frodwith can have a look at it | 15:02 |
bartjol1 | paul are you really awake | 15:02 |
bartjol1 | it might be that there has been a transfer to git there | 15:02 |
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bartjol1 | I don't see it in the beta track in github | 15:03 |
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SDuensin | Morning. | 16:19 |
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dionak | morning. any pb staff online? if so, the link on http://update.webgui.org/ for the latest version is broken | 16:55 |
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dionak | hey MrHairgrease | 17:08 |
+MrHairgrease | howdy | 17:08 |
dionak | how are things overseas? | 17:09 |
+MrHairgrease | pretty good | 17:09 |
+MrHairgrease | in two and a hlf week I'll be in Flaine, France | 17:09 |
dionak | nice. what are you doing there? holiday? | 17:09 |
+MrHairgrease | I just hope there's stil snow there by then | 17:10 |
+MrHairgrease | skiing | 17:10 |
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+perlDreamer | hey, ekennedy | 21:31 |
ekennedy | hello colin. How have you been? | 21:37 |
+perlDreamer | busy. I'm ready for another holiday. | 21:40 |
ekennedy | that is one of the problems with all of the holidays that pile up towards the end of the year. It's a long stretch in the early part of the year. | 21:41 |
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dionak | hey topsub | 23:25 |
topsub | Hi, How are you? | 23:26 |
dionak | doing well. and yourself? | 23:26 |
topsub | I'm great | 23:27 |
dionak | are you working on WG these days? | 23:28 |
topsub | Yes | 23:28 |
dionak | anything exciting? you're usually cooking up something cool ;) | 23:28 |
topsub | Nothing with webgui | 23:31 |
topsub | Built a crazy CMS using Code Igniter. thats were my time has been spent | 23:33 |
dionak | perlDreamer, quick question. i'm running an upgrade from 7.6.35 to 7.7.20. The upgrade failed on one of three sites with the following message. | 23:34 |
dionak | Installing the AdSku Asset... | 23:34 |
dionak | Create AdSku database table. | 23:34 |
dionak | Create Adsku crud table. | 23:34 |
dionak | Adding to config file. | 23:34 |
dionak | Can't coerce array into hash at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Config/JSON.pm line 209. | 23:34 |
dionak | which corresponds to : $session->config->addToHash("assets", 'WebGUI::Asset::Sku::Ad' => { category => 'shop' } ); | 23:34 |
dionak | my question is: any idea why this might fail? | 23:35 |
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+perlDreamer | dionak, I'll check | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | Hopefully it will be smoother than yesterday :/ | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | does testEnvironment.pl run clean? | 00:42 |
dionak | yes, i found through upgrade history that the site in question wasn't upgraded to 7.6.35 somehow | 00:43 |
dionak | we'll certainly have to resolve that issue. | 00:44 |
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dionak | my thought on the error is that perhaps the config file is very different between 7.5.x and 7.6.x? that's the only thing I can think of but I think our most important issue is why that one site wasn't upgraded but the others were | 00:45 |
dionak | btw, we're launching the site you consulted with me on tomorrow | 00:45 |
dionak | very exciting. i'll post a link when it's up | 00:46 |
dionak | if i could run the upgrade process on a single site database, that would help resolve this issue. | 00:47 |
dionak | i may move the configs for the other two sites to a .bak file, symlink WebGUI back to 7.6.35 and try upgrading from there. | 00:47 |
dionak | while crossing my fingers ;) | 00:48 |
dionak | perlDreamer, I also wrote the beginnings of a test for SiteIndex.pm and made an edit the the module. If I send it over to you, can you review? | 00:49 |
+perlDreamer | sure! | 00:50 |
+perlDreamer | what's the edit? | 00:50 |
dionak | it hides pages that have isHidden = 1 (hide from navigation) | 00:50 |
dionak | just curious if this has been done already. i haven't been keeping up with git | 00:50 |
dionak | it's for an RFE, let me get the link | 00:51 |
+perlDreamer | I don't think that's been done already | 00:51 |
+perlDreamer | the problem will be committing the code, since 7.8 is closed for new development, just bug fixes are allowed | 00:52 |
+perlDreamer | although, I think that's kind of a bug | 00:52 |
+perlDreamer | I was able to run an upgrade on a dev site from 7.6.35 to 7.7.31 without any problems | 00:52 |
+perlDreamer | I'd have to see the conf file to look more deeply | 00:52 |
dionak | oh, according to the docs i understood i had to go to 7.7.20 before going further (gotchas) | 00:53 |
dionak | from 7.6.35 | 00:53 |
dionak | Here's the RFE | 00:54 |
dionak | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/11044 | 00:54 |
dionak | Should I create a patch against the latest in git? | 00:54 |
dionak | Let me resolve the upgrade issue before you spend your time helping me on the config file issue. | 00:55 |
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dionak | perlDreamer, I'm sending that code over to you now | 01:08 |
+perlDreamer | okay | 01:09 |
+perlDreamer | did you resolve the upgrade issue? | 01:09 |
+perlDreamer | and today, are you really dionak, or knowmad? | 01:09 |
dionak | haha, yes. i'm really dionak | 01:09 |
dionak | you can't tell ;) | 01:09 |
dionak | ? | 01:09 |
dionak | his language is a bit different | 01:10 |
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dionak | ok, gotta run. ttys | 01:12 |
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CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb86be55 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the double click on the ITransact submit button. Fixes bug #11362. - http://bit.ly/5o2G9y | 01:33 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r046d60e / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the double click on the ITransact submit button. Fixes bug #11362. - http://bit.ly/74k2qG | 01:34 |
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CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rcaa1f33 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm t/Asset.t): Fix newByPropertyHashRef, which is required for class dispatch. Add tests. Fix addChild to use newByPropertyHashRef. - http://bit.ly/6SKXAV | 04:45 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r3a425f2 / (4 files in 3 dirs): Change the name of the sku accessor for shipsSeparately to isShippingSeparately, since it clashes with a property. Add tests. t/Asset/Sku.t passes. - http://bit.ly/54nLqu | 04:48 |
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CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * ra00d173 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Rough conversion of Shortcut to Moose, so Asset cleanup works. Fix a bug in getLineage. Update tests for get_tables. - http://bit.ly/5SzCFc | 05:12 |
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CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rfcd68c9 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm : Change autoGenerate=>0 to noFormPost=>0 in Product. - http://bit.ly/5HPPHW | 06:16 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rbfedba8 / lib/WebGUI/VersionTag.pm : Convert VersionTag to use newById instead of new, since new cannot dispatch to any class but the one that invoked it. - http://bit.ly/5AlJE4 | 06:16 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rd9c340f / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Folder.pm : Convert Folder to Moose. - http://bit.ly/7CSuNt | 06:59 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rdf9e058 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Layout.pm : Dirty conversion of Layout to Moose. - http://bit.ly/5orfNo | 06:59 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rb12ed7e / t/Asset.t : Tests for getDefault. - http://bit.ly/8EZ0b3 | 06:59 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r0ef9494 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm : Dirty conversion of Navigation to Moose. - http://bit.ly/5MptrO | 07:41 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r56eadab / t/Asset/Asset.t : Update test for new Moose API. - http://bit.ly/74ZzYr | 07:54 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r28fae98 / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Small tweak for rejecting empty string as assetId. - http://bit.ly/5qNwTT | 07:56 |
CIA-36 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r0a6e0b1 / t/Asset.t : test for new, with no assetId. Apparently, you cannot return undef from BUILDARGS. - http://bit.ly/6oiaF9 | 07:57 |
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hypodyne | howdy.. anyone do asp.net mvc | 10:25 |
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trebbor | Hello. | 10:47 |
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+bartjol | perlDreamer: my analysis of that bot stuff became a little complicated, spectre forced itself in the picture too | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | you wouldn't want spectre to use that | 18:32 |
+perlDreamer | I think | 18:32 |
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+bartjol | well, it actually was the intention that I got a good overview of actual userSessions | 18:34 |
+bartjol | but with bots and spectre crowding the userSession table, it becomes difficult to remove all those factors | 18:35 |
+bartjol | not impossible | 18:35 |
+bartjol | but now I open a session for each sessionId from the table, checking whether it isn't spectre, it takes some time to calculate that | 18:36 |
+bartjol | it costs a couple of seconds | 18:36 |
+perlDreamer | per session? | 18:37 |
+perlDreamer | wow | 18:37 |
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+bartjol | now, in total | 18:41 |
+bartjol | now -w | 18:41 |
+perlDreamer | that's not so bad | 18:41 |
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* perlDreamer goes to the gym | 19:12 | |
* bartjol is scared | 19:13 | |
+perlDreamer | You should | 19:13 |
* perlDreamer is turning into a Hungarian trained beast man | 19:13 | |
+bartjol | well, i still win the drinking contest | 19:13 |
+perlDreamer | hands down, sir ;) | 19:14 |
+bartjol | and remodelling is exercise to | 19:14 |
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hudsong123 | Hello, does anybody have a minute to offer some help with installing a custom Wobject for WebGUI? | 19:37 |
@preaction | what's the problem? | 19:40 |
@preaction | perlbot ask | 19:40 |
perlbot | preaction: Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. | 19:40 |
hudsong123 | When I run perl -MWebGUI::Asset::Wobject::CustomReport -e install /data/WebGUI/etc/website.conf, nothing happens | 19:41 |
@preaction | it should be just "website.conf" | 19:41 |
hudsong123 | I've tried that as well and the install method is still not getting called | 19:41 |
hudsong123 | I also don't see any feedback on the console. | 19:42 |
hudsong123 | We are using 7.5.21 | 19:42 |
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@preaction | are you including the WebGUI libraries? perl -I/data/WebGUI/lib | 19:43 |
hudsong123 | How can I tell? | 19:43 |
@preaction | perl -le'print for @INC'; see if the WebGUI lib directory is in there | 19:45 |
hudsong123 | I can see that it is not | 19:46 |
hudsong123 | Do you know the command to add the WebGUI libraries to @INC? | 19:47 |
hudsong123 | Hmm, Even with the @INC setup correctly I cannot get that install method to run. | 19:57 |
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@preaction | there's a different installer in the 7.7 series that you should be able to pull out and use | 20:35 |
dionak | does anyone have an example of a sql report template in template::toolkit? | 20:39 |
dionak | i'm having a hard time accessing the variables inside the row loop | 20:40 |
@preaction | dionak: pastebin it and i can try to help | 20:41 |
dionak | k, give me a few | 20:41 |
dionak | i recreated this. was trying TT in sql reports earlier in the week. I think it has to do with . vs '_'. http://webgui.pastebin.com/d1f69d5a8 | 21:01 |
@preaction | the TT driver changes . to _ | 21:01 |
@preaction | so "IF session_var_adminOn" | 21:01 |
@preaction | rows_count_isZero | 21:01 |
@preaction | rows_loop | 21:01 |
@preaction | etc... | 21:01 |
dionak | so i don't need to change the variables then? | 21:02 |
dionak | handy | 21:02 |
@preaction | in your TT template you need to change the variables to have _ instead of . | 21:02 |
dionak | ah | 21:02 |
@preaction | the WebGUI TT driver changes them for you | 21:02 |
@preaction | and the H::T::E one | 21:02 |
@preaction | i replied to your RFE | 21:02 |
dionak | ok, so i do need to change those | 21:02 |
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dionak | tks for the reply. i'll have a look | 21:03 |
@Haarg | also on the first line you have broken template tags | 21:03 |
@Haarg | [% assetId> when you probably want [% assetId %] | 21:04 |
dionak | tks Haarg | 21:04 |
dionak | So this is still unclear to me. Do I need to manually change the dots in variables to underscores in the template code for both HTML::Expr and TT? | 21:05 |
@preaction | yes | 21:05 |
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dionak | You say it does it for us in the RFE | 21:05 |
@preaction | i mean that if there's a "." in a variable given to the template by the application, it gets changed to an _ | 21:06 |
dionak | ah | 21:06 |
@preaction | because Expr and TT use . as syntax | 21:06 |
dionak | Perhaps I need to make my RFE a bit more clear | 21:06 |
@preaction | if it's what you just said, it can't be done | 21:07 |
+perlDreamer | it would be a very difficult RFE | 21:07 |
+perlDreamer | going from H::T to H::T::E would be easier, since the syntax is simpler and there's no translation required | 21:07 |
@preaction | we'd be better off just moving to TT entirely than pre-parsing HTE and TT to change . to _ before the engine gets it | 21:08 |
+perlDreamer | agreed | 21:09 |
dionak | that would be my preference as well | 21:09 |
+perlDreamer | but in order to do that move, we have to be able to automatically translate all templates from H::T to T::T | 21:09 |
dionak | as long as we were careful to keep as much code out of templates as possible | 21:09 |
@preaction | if i can convince TWG to move our templates to TT so we can deprecate the H::T and H::T::E plugins, we might be able to get going on it | 21:09 |
@preaction | what do you mean "code"? | 21:10 |
+perlDreamer | dionak: that is an entry into a very ugly philosophical discussion | 21:10 |
dionak | e.g. - perl blocks | 21:10 |
@preaction | why not? if it makes it easier to display something, i'm all for it | 21:10 |
dionak | it has to be said. | 21:10 |
@preaction | strict divisions between components always create uglier code than fuzzy divisions (because of the cases where one needs a fuzzy division) | 21:10 |
dionak | if it's about display, yes. i've seen issues with TT and Mason where a lot of logic gets embedded into templates | 21:10 |
@Haarg | we aren't going to allow perl blocks in TT | 21:11 |
dionak | that's my biggest concern | 21:11 |
@preaction | basically thus: the template should not be able to alter anything and should not be able to affect any other request | 21:11 |
@preaction | but munging data to display it differently using regular expressions, completely fine | 21:11 |
@Haarg | even ignoring issues about separation of code vs display, we can't allow perl in templates for security reasons | 21:12 |
dionak | agreed. same goes for formatting | 21:12 |
@preaction | frodwith and I had a discussion the other night about this: it will take more code to make it so you can't modify things in the template than to just give an Asset object directly to TT to do with as you please | 21:12 |
@preaction | oh, actual Perl blocks | 21:12 |
@Haarg | that would be nice, although i'm not sure it can be done. seems like we will need to have a proxy object of some kind. | 21:12 |
+perlDreamer | yup | 21:12 |
@preaction | i would say enabling/disabling of Perl blocks should be up to the Admin. we'll ship off by default and provide no instructions on how to turn it on | 21:13 |
@preaction | my ideal TT config is a hash inside the config file passed directly to TT | 21:13 |
dionak | that would be ideal, yes. | 21:13 |
@preaction | there are lots of interesting TT things that we may not want to take advantage of, but Random WebGUI Admin A might | 21:14 |
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dionak | I've updated pastebin, http://webgui.pastebin.com/d52f675da. | 21:28 |
dionak | currently, it's not looping | 21:28 |
dionak | actually, it is. hasNest was failing the IF | 21:32 |
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dionak | Ok, is there something wrong with how I've setup the foreach over query2_rows_loop? | 21:41 |
dionak | it doesn't even enter that loop | 21:43 |
dionak | ah, i had to change it to row.query2_rows_loop | 21:45 |
@preaction | oh, heh, duh | 21:46 |
@preaction | i was looking through the code to see why | 21:47 |
@preaction | yeah, nested loops have to be done like that | 21:47 |
dionak | tks, for talking it over with me. it's working now. | 21:47 |
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dionak | ok, easy question. how do i sprintf in a TT template? | 22:11 |
@Haarg | [% template_variable | format('%s') %] i think | 22:15 |
dionak | i'm looking for a format like xx.x | 22:16 |
@Haarg | well, format would take and sprintf style formatting string | 22:16 |
@Haarg | *any | 22:16 |
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SquOnk | Greetings | 00:59 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: I just figured out matija's problem with ?? (and many more characters) | 00:59 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: It turns out it is TinyMCE :-) | 01:00 |
+perlDreamer | SquOnk, why is it specific to Debian? | 01:01 |
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SquOnk | perlDreamer: Debian's version is newer and has these entity decoding thing... | 01:02 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: ...that's being enforced. Older versions didn't enforce it by default. | 01:02 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Go figure. | 01:02 |
+perlDreamer | hm, is it fixable through a configuration? | 01:03 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: I was going to suggest that. | 01:03 |
+perlDreamer | you watch, the config thing won't work in all browsers | 01:04 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: If the RichEditor could be configured by giving the appropiate parameter to enable/disable entity translation... | 01:04 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Exactly. It depends on several things. | 01:04 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Encoding on both ends... as usual :-) | 01:04 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: http://wiki.moxiecode.com/index.php/TinyMCE:Configuration/entity_encoding | 01:06 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: The translation only happens if you're using some ISO-8859 encoding on the server side, such that whatever the browser sends gets converted to a single byte in the encoding, and then you convert to an entity. | 01:07 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: If the server uses UTF-8, then there's no need to translate. | 01:07 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: So, forcing UTF-8 on the server side (a Good Thing (tm)) would make translation superfluous. | 01:07 |
+perlDreamer | I'm pretty sure that WebGUI uses all UTF-8 internally | 01:08 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Well, the translation happens when tinymce gets something that is not utf-8 (client side) | 01:10 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: TinyMCE runs on the browser so whatever WebGUI's doing is moot | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | true | 01:10 |
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CIA-72 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rb2db9d4 / lib/WebGUI/Definition/Role/Object.pm : Change getProperty to getFormProperties, which returns the form element of the requested property with i18n and sub ref evaluated. - http://bit.ly/7jqkyY | 02:43 |
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CIA-72 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rbe8f582 / t/Definition.t : Add tests for getFormProperties - http://bit.ly/4WiwSI | 04:09 |
CIA-72 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rcce85f0 / lib/WebGUI/Exception.pm : Add an exception for compile errors. - http://bit.ly/6rHKDr | 05:11 |
CIA-72 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r9004007 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/Asset.t): Changing undef to exceptions in Asset.pm - http://bit.ly/75CihT | 05:11 |
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CIA-72 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r52d5883 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/Asset.t): More exceptions and tests for Asset.pm - http://bit.ly/5qZseo | 05:53 |
+perlDreamer | why in the world did I write these tests this way? | 05:56 |
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elnino | hi all, that's all. | 06:26 |
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+perlDreamer | hey, elnino | 06:41 |
elnino | howdy | 06:41 |
CIA-72 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r143e2e0 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/Asset.t): pull permission tests out of Asset.t. Fix getName. - http://bit.ly/7Fbv4O | 06:46 |
CIA-72 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rbf0c95d / t/Asset.t : Update test for changes in Asset.pm - http://bit.ly/4LrGLp | 06:52 |
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CIA-72 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r04ed78e / (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/Asset.t): Remove use of getAttribute from Asset.pm. Tweak a few tests. - http://bit.ly/5a8Cwx | 07:07 |
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SDuensin | Morning. | 16:31 |
+bartjol | afternoon sir | 16:33 |
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+perlDreamer | morning, folks | 17:34 |
+perlDreamer | Happy Friday! | 17:34 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction: I haven't setup up any mail records for that secondary domain yet | 17:58 |
+perlDreamer | I should readup on DNS and do that | 17:58 |
@preaction | no worries, was just making sure. gotta run though. probably be back around noon | 17:59 |
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CIA-72 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r12e7981 / t/Asset.t : Fix a typo in a test. - http://bit.ly/7nFrGU | 18:12 |
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CIA-72 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r6573884 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/Asset.t): Add exceptions to newPending. Change it to use newById instead of new. Tweak some messages and tests. - http://bit.ly/8QLEgg | 18:42 |
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+perlDreamer | I'm back | 20:30 |
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ckotil | party time | 20:48 |
+perlDreamer | catch one for me, ckotil | 20:50 |
ckotil | :) k. tho i was implying the party can start now. I happen to be having a house warming party tomorrow. | 20:57 |
+perlDreamer | oh, congratulations | 20:57 |
ckotil | Thank You | 20:57 |
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elnino | thinking outloud: so... to sell downloads or ebooks or things like that.. Would the best thing be is to use a subscription? They want the customer to be able to downlod the file only for a period of time... | 21:05 |
+perlDreamer | that would work | 21:05 |
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elnino | is that what a subscription does already? | 21:09 |
+perlDreamer | no, it adds a user to a group | 21:10 |
+perlDreamer | and sets up a recurring transaction, if configured to do so | 21:10 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI needs a downloadable file Sku | 21:11 |
elnino | and then that group would be able to view the document for as long they are subscribed.. | 21:11 |
elnino | so, we would need a group for each downloadable. | 21:11 |
+perlDreamer | right | 21:12 |
CIA-72 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r5c3a3d4 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/Asset.t): Fix inheritUrlFromParent, using trigger instead of around. - http://bit.ly/8mJPLH | 21:12 |
elnino | yep, wg needs a downloadable file sku.. =) I may be doing one. my life if up in the air now... I may be going to work again. | 21:13 |
+perlDreamer | what? | 21:13 |
+perlDreamer | did your husband lose his job | 21:13 |
+perlDreamer | ? | 21:13 |
elnino | no, but a very unique opportunity came up and we'll be exploring it some more on tuesday. We're having a pre-interview. | 21:13 |
elnino | thankfully he hasn't. | 21:14 |
elnino | but the school district is doing another 10 mil cut. ouch. | 21:14 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, ouch | 21:14 |
+perlDreamer | good luck on the pre-interview. I'm sure you'll do great. | 21:15 |
elnino | that's already after a two years of 7 mil cuts. they were an exploding community, and it's now plateaued | 21:15 |
elnino | that hurts a school district | 21:15 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, we vote on two tax increases next Tuesday, to prevent the same thing | 21:15 |
elnino | it's a good thing I don't have to type or spell at the interview. | 21:15 |
elnino | =) | 21:15 |
+perlDreamer | just remember, you're a valued member of an international free software project. | 21:17 |
+perlDreamer | these people would be blessed to have you as a member of their company | 21:18 |
elnino | he he he.. I ReALLy want this job because I havea just finished witnessing them go thru two expensive web-redesign that have failed miserably. first was CMS company - the system was junk. | 21:19 |
elnino | then they hired a pt person who thought they could do better, and wrote a custom CMS in coldfusion. | 21:19 |
elnino | from what I hear and experience, it too is junk. | 21:19 |
elnino | and here comes ME with webgui. | 21:19 |
+perlDreamer | oh, you're money | 21:20 |
elnino | I REAALY want to see them use webgui. | 21:20 |
+perlDreamer | this would be another PT gig? | 21:20 |
elnino | No. FT | 21:20 |
+perlDreamer | wow! That is a great opportunity. | 21:20 |
elnino | the deal is they would hire both of us, to full fill the one FT position. We both have our strengths. and neigher of us meet all their requirements. | 21:21 |
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+perlDreamer | onsite, or telecommute? | 21:21 |
elnino | this would be way too perfect, cause we want to homeschool too. so if we took turns, we'd both be home. | 21:21 |
elnino | probably both. | 21:21 |
elnino | mostly on site, which is only 10 miles away. I hope it works out. | 21:22 |
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SDuensin | Best IRC line yet today: <javabot> rmrfslash, php is the solution of choice for relaying mysql errors to web users. | 21:23 |
+perlDreamer | I like that one | 21:24 |
+perlDreamer | We'll never be able to compete in that market | 21:24 |
SDuensin | :-D | 21:25 |
CIA-72 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r348b34d / lib/WebGUI/VersionTag.pm : Fix version tag rollback. - http://bit.ly/9325Tr | 21:31 |
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CIA-72 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * re5affbd / (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/Asset.t): Add tagId property, fix cloneFromDb. Fix several tests. - http://bit.ly/8N4uFC | 21:42 |
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elnino | so. I really think we should have a template for centering image via file pile I have one, how do I get it into the core? | 21:55 |
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+perlDreamer | elnino, make sure that it follows the new TWG guidelines and RFE it. | 23:43 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction, all tests in t/Asset/Asset.t are passing | 01:11 |
+perlDreamer | that's a first | 01:11 |
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CIA-72 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r891098f / t/Asset/AssetClipboard.t : Shave two seconds off the Clipboard test by setting the revisionDate on the original asset for testing. - http://bit.ly/54VxBL | 04:39 |
+perlDreamer | it's only 2 seconds, but it came at very little effort | 04:39 |
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elnino_laptop | am I the only one that really does not like yui? I hope that you will gve the user a choice between editors... | 05:03 |
elnino_laptop | Im trying to dlete something, and it keeps bring me down to the end of the snippet!! | 05:04 |
elnino_laptop | grr. | 05:04 |
elnino_laptop | using ie - I supposed that's way? =) | 05:04 |
elnino_laptop | s/way/why | 05:05 |
@preaction | no, because there's an open bug that has not been fixed | 05:05 |
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@preaction | and the code editor is completely my code, only based off of YUI's rich editor | 05:05 |
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elnino_laptop | oh ok. Im glad Im not going crazy. I often wonder. | 05:06 |
elnino_laptop | thx! | 05:06 |
@preaction | yes, i would prefer that the internal bits of HTML that we have strewn about WebGUI would be available to be altered by an administrator, but that's unfortunately not in the cards for anytime soon | 05:06 |
elnino_laptop | before there was a choice between content editor and something else, couldn't yui be just another choice of editor? or are you guys completely ripping the tinymce out? | 05:08 |
elnino_laptop | brb | 05:08 |
@preaction | those are two different configurations of the same editor: TinyMCE | 05:10 |
@preaction | the YUI-based Code Editor is not the same as a rich editor (which is why we still have the tinymce, for now) | 05:10 |
@preaction | the YUI rich editor doesn't do tables, which is one major reason we haven't switched already | 05:10 |
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elnino_laptop | it has problems with selecting too. has that been reported? | 05:15 |
elnino_laptop | I dunno. I think yui editor needs to go away.. what advantages does the yui editor bring? other than being able to consolidate everything to use yui? (asset manager, sorting datagrids etc?)? | 05:18 |
elnino_laptop | brb | 05:18 |
+perlDreamer | elnino_laptop, it brings one big advantage, and that is that it is not another piece of javascript | 05:33 |
+perlDreamer | also TinyMCE has been a pain the buttocks for many years | 05:33 |
+perlDreamer | it's not stable, or consistent | 05:33 |
+perlDreamer | we need approximately 3.5 preaction days to get the current set of bugs fixed | 05:33 |
+perlDreamer | but those are precious, rare to come by days | 05:34 |
@preaction | i might be able to fit you after Ragnarok, but i'm pretty booked | 05:34 |
@preaction | but again, the Code Editor has little to nothing to do with the YUI Rich Editor | 05:34 |
+perlDreamer | Ragnarok, is that before or after Armageddon and 2012? | 05:35 |
+perlDreamer | also, I thought we could live without tables? | 05:35 |
@preaction | that's what DataTable was made for, back in WUC '08 | 05:35 |
+perlDreamer | that's right | 05:36 |
@preaction | but perhaps since then tables have been made to work in Safari's design mode | 05:37 |
@preaction | i think it was either Safari or Firefox that had the table problem | 05:37 |
@preaction | or who knows, maybe it always has worked and Dav just didn't implement it | 05:37 |
@preaction | oh, just a warning: i made another mysql monitor, this time for slow-running queries. the sge.plainblack.net site has it | 05:39 |
+perlDreamer | I saw that ticket | 05:40 |
@preaction | it will try to auto-kill any query that takes longer than X seconds, unless it's REPAIR or OPTIMIZE (which, if killed, will corrupt the table) | 05:40 |
@preaction | k | 05:40 |
@preaction | one of these days i'll consolidate all the monitoring so that every server takes advantage of it al | 05:40 |
@preaction | instead of just the ones that need it | 05:40 |
@preaction | i'll have time for that after the heat-death of the universe | 05:41 |
@preaction | just in time for the next big bang | 05:41 |
+perlDreamer | the universe is expanding too quickly for any more big bangs | 05:42 |
+perlDreamer | so you'll have to reference some other thing | 05:42 |
+perlDreamer | like the 64-bit date overflow | 05:42 |
@preaction | well, the heat-death refers to the final state of entropy - universal homogenity | 05:43 |
@preaction | what could possibly happen after that? perhaps our big bang is just a tiny particle of another big bang | 05:43 |
@preaction | but then, really, life is the anti-entropic force | 05:44 |
@preaction | life / entropy, order / chaos | 05:44 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 05:44 |
+perlDreamer | php/perl | 05:44 |
@preaction | life can expend energy to turn entropy into more life | 05:45 |
@preaction | so perhaps the theory of the heat-death is... premature | 05:45 |
@preaction | which means i'll still have to do my work :'( | 05:45 |
+perlDreamer | sorry, preaction | 05:45 |
@preaction | physics is no excuse! | 05:45 |
* elnino_laptop is catching up here.. | 05:45 | |
elnino_laptop | I kinda wondered what datatable was for. | 05:46 |
@preaction | for some reason i smell paint thinner | 05:46 |
@preaction | who in their right mind would be using enamel at this day and age? | 05:46 |
elnino_laptop | me. | 05:48 |
elnino_laptop | it's works really well for trim. but if I had my choice | 05:48 |
@preaction | on interior walls | 05:49 |
elnino_laptop | I wouldn't have painted trim to begin with. | 05:49 |
elnino_laptop | bathroom ceilings | 05:49 |
@preaction | yeah, i'm planning on sanding and re-staining the trim downstairs | 05:49 |
@preaction | they make waterproof latex i thought? | 05:49 |
@preaction | the high-gloss stuff | 05:49 |
elnino_laptop | I suppose that is what I used. been awhile. | 05:49 |
@preaction | i really really hope they didn't grab the old paint cans from in the basement. that's probably older than i am | 05:50 |
elnino_laptop | what ever it is, it's standing up really well. | 05:50 |
+perlDreamer | I signed up to be a supplier to the State of Oregon | 05:50 |
+perlDreamer | you should see some of the contracts that come by | 05:50 |
@preaction | supplier of what? | 05:50 |
+perlDreamer | maybe I should drop this perl stuff, and get into canned vegetables | 05:50 |
+perlDreamer | supplier of anything | 05:50 |
@preaction | ahh | 05:50 |
elnino_laptop | so.. tables in the article are going away? | 05:51 |
elnino_laptop | with the coming of yui editor? | 05:52 |
+perlDreamer | Freudenberg Schwab Type 1 Gearbox Sperical Bearings | 05:52 |
+perlDreamer | Fire suppresssion systems | 05:52 |
+perlDreamer | Community service awards | 05:52 |
+perlDreamer | Outlook plugins | 05:52 |
+perlDreamer | anything | 05:52 |
@preaction | there is no plan right now to replace the TinyMCE with anything at all | 05:52 |
+perlDreamer | :( | 05:53 |
elnino_laptop | ok. so, is there a way to disable it in snippets? | 05:53 |
@preaction | not currently | 05:53 |
elnino_laptop | has there been a report about how it copies from wg into notepad? all tabs are ignored. | 05:54 |
elnino_laptop | and indents by spaces | 05:54 |
elnino_laptop | are ignored. | 05:54 |
+perlDreamer | elnino_laptop, if you really hate the code editor, you can turn it back into the old textarea with some changes to Form/Codearea.pm | 05:54 |
* elnino_laptop goes looks unless you know off the top of my head. | 05:55 | |
elnino_laptop | s/my/your | 05:55 |
@preaction | just remove the JS stuff | 05:55 |
elnino_laptop | =) | 05:55 |
elnino_laptop | i don't HATE it.. it just takes more time. | 05:55 |
+perlDreamer | It doesn't work in IE or Safari | 05:56 |
elnino_laptop | but I just might do that.. Sorry guys. | 05:56 |
elnino_laptop | I usually use firefox. | 05:56 |
elnino_laptop | but currently am using ie. | 05:56 |
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elnino | when creating a custom asset should assetID be: char(22) character set utf8 collate utf8_bin NOT NULL, OR varchar(22) binary not null, | 07:17 |
elnino | Or are they the same? | 07:17 |
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elnino_laptop | hello! | 22:38 |
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elnino_laptop | where would I find the twg's best practices? | 22:53 |
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@preaction | high-concurrency and always-instantiated assets would make WebGUI a lot faster | 00:16 |
@preaction | but how could a single instance of an asset process two requests at the same time? | 00:16 |
@preaction | i mean, in theory it would work just fine except that the session is kept in the asset object | 00:17 |
@preaction | the alternative seems to be a session object kept in a global location, localized to a single request cycle (so $PACKAGE::session actually has multiple values at the same time, but a single request can only get the one it needs) | 00:18 |
@preaction | in this way, the session will get destroyed when it needs to be, but every other object can stay in-memory | 00:18 |
@preaction | but if we think about things this way, we can even keep open sessions in memory | 00:19 |
@preaction | so webgui is a long-running application that handles communication between the web server and another application | 00:21 |
@preaction | (those other applications are also long-running, so they can do fun things with the statefulness) | 00:25 |
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elnino_laptop | oh no.... how do I lists all of my asset's template names? I thought I'd find the templateid in assetData... =( | 06:53 |
elnino_laptop | but I suppose that doesn't make sense, since assets may have more than one. Grr.. | 06:54 |
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elnino_laptop | where do I find the best practices for the template work group? | 07:15 |
elnino_laptop | never mind finally found it. | 07:17 |
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CIA-72 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r138eb31 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : add cleanup code for PayDrivers. - http://bit.ly/7X95ju | 02:55 |
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+bartjol | preaction: did you break that url? | 16:03 |
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SDuensin | Morning. | 16:45 |
+perlDreamer | it was me, bartjol. guilty as charged | 16:45 |
+bartjol | ah | 16:47 |
+bartjol | and, is it fixed? | 16:47 |
+bartjol | perlDreamer: when do you have time to fix that one? I was trying to do a test with the wre install | 16:54 |
+bartjol | goodmorning btw | 16:54 |
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+perlDreamer | now that the kids are fed, I'll fix it now | 17:19 |
+perlDreamer | otherwise bopbop will see it, and be angered | 17:19 |
+perlDreamer | should be working now, bartjol | 17:22 |
+bartjol | ah, lets test then | 17:23 |
+bartjol | did you clear cache? | 17:26 |
+bartjol | cleared browser cache, still 7.8.10 as latest (and broken link) | 17:27 |
+perlDreamer | I don't know if that link is cached | 17:27 |
+bartjol | or am I not patient enough | 17:28 |
+perlDreamer | ah, there are two files | 17:30 |
+perlDreamer | a link for the tarball, and a small text file | 17:30 |
+perlDreamer | please try now | 17:30 |
+bartjol | aah | 17:30 |
+bartjol | now it works | 17:30 |
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+perlDreamer | I'll close the bug | 17:31 |
+bartjol | as a zonnetje | 17:33 |
+bartjol | (which is good btw) | 17:33 |
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CIA-72 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r077f29f / (4 files in 4 dirs): Prevent ProfileField fieldNames from containing spaces. They cause problems with JS in some kinds of form fields. Fixes bug #11371. - http://bit.ly/63185b | 21:45 |
CIA-72 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5763218 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Prevent ProfileField fieldNames from containing spaces. They cause problems with JS in some kinds of form fields. Fixes bug #11371. - http://bit.ly/7vcI7S | 21:52 |
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+perlDreamer | argh! What's the sudo command to run the command in root's environment, instead of mine? | 00:49 |
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+perlDreamer | KlausH: the translation server should be fixed now. | 01:24 |
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CIA-72 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r38e6bfa / (8 files in 3 dirs): Convert many search forms from POST to GET. Fixes bug ##11372 - http://bit.ly/8Z0gxj | 01:54 |
CIA-72 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r6c560e0 / (8 files in 3 dirs): Convert many search forms from POST to GET. Fixes bug ##11372 - http://bit.ly/8fC6WG | 01:54 |
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CIA-72 | WebGUI: translation * r12431 /translations/German/German/ (7 files): Updating German on the translation server | 02:45 |
CIA-72 | WebGUI: translation * r12432 /translations/Ukrainian/Ukrainian/ (13 files): Updating Ukrainian on translation server | 02:45 |
CIA-72 | WebGUI: translation * r12433 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (6 files): Updating Dutch on translation server | 02:45 |
CIA-72 | WebGUI: translation * r12434 /translations/German/German/Asset_Calendar.pm: Updating German on translation server | 02:45 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg: how about "aspect" as a replacement for "attribute" in WebGUI::Definition? | 05:04 |
+perlDreamer | we'll be replacing AssetAspects with Roles | 05:04 |
+perlDreamer | so that term should be free | 05:04 |
CIA-72 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rd4f3187 / (12 files in 5 dirs): change the name attribute to aspect to denote asset level static attributes like tableName, et. al. - http://bit.ly/8cEcra | 05:16 |
CIA-72 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r6037551 / (4 files in 4 dirs): More attribute => aspect changes. Add get_all_attributes_list, which returns a list of the names of all attributes. - http://bit.ly/6riDzQ | 05:21 |
CIA-72 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r42b8237 / t/Asset.t : make sure get returns aspects _and_ properties. - http://bit.ly/4SmgcK | 05:24 |
CIA-72 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r9155f70 / t/Definition/Asset.t : rework test to handle loss of getProperty. use find_attribute_by_name instead. - http://bit.ly/8hceOI | 05:31 |
+perlDreamer | I'd like to run the whole test suite in wg8, but it's likely to be an ungodly train wreck | 05:36 |
+perlDreamer | t/Definition.t, t/Definition/Asset.t, t/Asset.t, t/Asset/Asset,t, t/Asset/AssetClipboard.t all pass | 05:37 |
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@preaction | perlDreamer: why aspect? attribute makes more sense | 06:41 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction: attribute is already used by Moose. It means something different | 07:38 |
@preaction | and we can't use "has" because of tableName? | 07:41 |
+perlDreamer | right, we need it to be propagated down into each property | 07:42 |
+perlDreamer | although I may have coded around that limitation | 07:42 |
+perlDreamer | check out 'sub write' in Asset.pm | 07:42 |
@preaction | why were traits abandoned? | 07:42 |
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+perlDreamer | I know nothing about the intent to use traits in WebGUI::Definition | 07:43 |
@preaction | why can't tableName be a subroutine? does any other attribute need to be propagated like that? | 07:55 |
+perlDreamer | it can't be subclassed | 07:55 |
+perlDreamer | each class needs to keep track of its own table | 07:55 |
@preaction | oh, right, every one does | 07:55 |
+perlDreamer | and technically, Asset has 2 | 07:55 |
+perlDreamer | and would be much better off with 2 | 07:55 |
@preaction | right, each class keeps track of all its table names using a package-scoped lexical | 07:56 |
@preaction | in an arrayref | 07:56 |
+perlDreamer | actually, each class keeps track of its table name with a metaclass method | 07:56 |
+perlDreamer | are you thinking of the old static_definition, instead of the Moose one? | 07:57 |
@preaction | the point being: why can't we use "has" if there are other ways around the problems that the "aspect" keyword now gets around? | 07:57 |
+perlDreamer | anything you declare with has can be overridden by subclasses or roles | 07:58 |
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@preaction | isn't that a good thing? | 08:00 |
+perlDreamer | not if you need to store data in 2 different tables | 08:00 |
+perlDreamer | think how unhappy Snippet would be if it tried to put title, url, etc into its own table | 08:00 |
@preaction | i thought those were "property" | 08:01 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 08:01 |
@preaction | so then why do we need "aspect"/"attribute"? | 08:01 |
+perlDreamer | You'd need to ask the original architect | 08:01 |
+perlDreamer | every time I think I find a hole in the design, I find a reason why it's there | 08:02 |
@preaction | perlbot timtoady | 08:02 |
perlbot | preaction: TIMTOWTDI: There is more than one way to do it | 08:02 |
+perlDreamer | no doubt, all I'm saying is that I have no doubt at all that there are very good reasons why things are designed this way | 08:03 |
+perlDreamer | I don't know those reasons, yet. | 08:03 |
@preaction | yes, but now we have to change the design to something undesirable. aspect to programmers is still about "aspect-oriented programming", another name for Roles or MI | 08:04 |
+perlDreamer | but in Moose they are clearly called Roles | 08:04 |
+perlDreamer | I'm not in love with the name | 08:04 |
+perlDreamer | it's better than attributes | 08:04 |
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+perlDreamer | man, you'd think that i would have been smart enough to write some tests for ->commit | 08:22 |
CIA-72 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rd66b3b8 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm t/Asset.t): | 08:50 |
CIA-72 | webgui: Make revisedBy a property, so it gets written on ->update. Change addRev not to | 08:50 |
CIA-72 | webgui: write to the db when it does not need to. Update tests to verify that addRev | 08:50 |
CIA-72 | webgui: does the right thing for tagId and revisedBy. - http://bit.ly/4wKQ7y | 08:50 |
CIA-72 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * re940dc0 / t/Asset/AssetVersion.t : Change this test to use a Snippet instead of a Template. - http://bit.ly/57K9qL | 08:52 |
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+perlDreamer | bartjol, I fixed Klaus's two translation server bugs last night, were you following them? | 17:24 |
+bartjol | a bit | 17:34 |
+bartjol | it was the svn commit and the percentage translated, right? | 17:35 |
+perlDreamer | yup | 17:35 |
+bartjol | , well very nice that they are fixed, maybve send a commit in then | 17:38 |
+bartjol | 2 days, and I can shower at home... | 17:39 |
+perlDreamer | awesome! | 17:39 |
+bartjol | but it seems my commits have come through | 17:39 |
+bartjol | 'before | 17:40 |
+perlDreamer | maybe Klaus committed them as a test last night? | 17:40 |
+bartjol | maybe, dunno | 17:40 |
+perlDreamer | after the shower is installed, how close are you to being done with your new dream home? | 17:40 |
+bartjol | well, the rest has to be tiled, and I still need a wash-sink | 17:41 |
+bartjol | and a kitchen | 17:41 |
+bartjol | not really close | 17:41 |
+perlDreamer | I think you'll be done with your home before Kathy finishes her degree | 17:43 |
+perlDreamer | well, I hope so anyway, since she graduates in 2012 | 17:43 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, preaction, 'attribute's were intended to replace the top level data in definition. they could mostly be implemented as subs, but i wanted the information available in both the class and the metaclass. it's also intended to be easy to use. | 17:44 |
+bartjol | well, my hope joins yours | 17:44 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, I think this all came about when I changed the name to "aspect" from "attribute". | 17:44 |
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@Haarg | yeah | 17:44 |
+perlDreamer | btw, adding them to the metaclass allowed me to make write faster, since I don't have to iterate across all the properties to find their tables. | 17:45 |
@Haarg | i don't really like the name aspect, but i don't know that it is any worse than attribute | 17:45 |
@Haarg | hrm | 17:45 |
@Haarg | i guess that works. it was intended that each property could define its own table if it wanted to. | 17:45 |
+perlDreamer | we could go back to that | 17:46 |
+perlDreamer | it wouldn't be hard at all | 17:46 |
+perlDreamer | I think you should go through my code with a fine toothed comb to make sure I didn't muck up anything else. | 17:46 |
+perlDreamer | so far I'm 2 for 2 :/ | 17:47 |
+perlDreamer | gotta take the kids to school, back in 15 | 17:47 |
ckotil | cool. SSO between plainblack.com and webgui.org is back. | 17:53 |
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ckotil | what creates the bazaars' tag cloud? | 18:13 |
+perlDreamer | HTML::TagCloud | 18:16 |
+perlDreamer | which is called from WebGUI::Keywords, I believe | 18:17 |
ckotil | any documentation about it? Template variable I need to call to use it? | 18:20 |
+perlDreamer | certain assets will provide a tagcloud | 18:21 |
+perlDreamer | like the Wiki, and the Story Archive | 18:21 |
+perlDreamer | it's not available just anywhere | 18:21 |
ckotil | ah. | 18:21 |
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mducharme-work | are there any new storymanger templates since 7.7.20? | 18:29 |
+perlDreamer | story topic changes in .21 and .31 | 18:33 |
+perlDreamer | you'd have to go through the changelog and/or bug list to see exactly what/why | 18:33 |
mducharme-work | ok | 18:34 |
mducharme-work | I"m just trying to determine if I should switch back from my custom templates to the built in ones, in case it looks nicer now or something | 18:35 |
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+perlDreamer | I wouldn't doubt that the changes are semantic in nature, and not cosmetic | 18:39 |
mducharme-work | ok | 18:41 |
mducharme-work | b/c that's one thing that would be nice for storymanager, is a cosmetic overhaul :) | 18:42 |
+perlDreamer | You're preaching to the choir, brother | 18:42 |
mducharme-work | (I would do it myself, but I am really not that great at "look and feel" stuff) | 18:54 |
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+perlDreamer | hola, tavisto | 20:59 |
@tavisto | hola perlDreamer | 21:00 |
+perlDreamer | I'm trying to carve out an afternoon for Matrix work, looks like Friday-ish | 21:00 |
+perlDreamer | did you find out which spam word is the problem? | 21:01 |
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@Haarg | hmm. you can't override the defaultValue of a field in the config file. | 21:34 |
+perlDreamer | in which branch, Haarg? | 21:35 |
@Haarg | master | 21:36 |
@Haarg | for form generation | 21:36 |
@Haarg | more specifically, you can override defaultValue, but it doesn't matter because it will always also supply a value | 21:36 |
+perlDreamer | also, lrobinson has sent me a bugfix for Assets which have custom getEditForm code that allows config file overrides to work on them | 21:36 |
@Haarg | and if there is no value, it uses the defaultValue from the definition, not the config file | 21:37 |
+perlDreamer | sounds like a bug | 21:37 |
SDuensin | Ok, this is completely off topic in here, but your names all start with "perl" ... Anybody use Win32::OLE to do ADO? | 21:38 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, you know how much time we spend on windows, regardless of that are names say :) | 21:39 |
@Haarg | closest i've gotten to that is using DBD::ODBC against a MSSQL server | 21:39 |
SDuensin | Figured I might get lucky. One of you may have a horrible side gig. :-) | 21:40 |
@Haarg | what kind of problem are you having? | 21:40 |
@Haarg | i've also done ADO via VBA and VBS/JS | 21:40 |
SDuensin | How in the Wide Wide World of Sports do you determine column names?! | 21:40 |
@Haarg | on a recordset? | 21:42 |
SDuensin | Yea | 21:42 |
SDuensin | I did a Dumper($rs) and that just runs you out of memory because the dumb thing is recursive. | 21:42 |
@Haarg | don't they have a Fields property? | 21:42 |
SDuensin | Not a useful one. | 21:43 |
@Haarg | how so? | 21:43 |
SDuensin | It says: 'Fields' => bless({ 'Count' => 4, 'Item' => undef }, 'Win32::OLE') | 21:44 |
@Haarg | i wouldn't really expect Data::Dumper to be able to dump Win32::OLE stuff properly | 21:45 |
SDuensin | I also tried blindly printing things like $rs->Field(0)->Name. No dice. Apparently $rs->Field(0) is undefined. | 21:45 |
@Haarg | http://search.cpan.org/~jdb/Win32-OLE-0.1709/lib/Win32/OLE/Enum.pm | 21:46 |
@Haarg | try using that on $rs->Fields | 21:47 |
SDuensin | Reading. | 21:47 |
@Haarg | $rs->Fields should be a collection | 21:47 |
@Haarg | and the individual fields should have ->Name among other things | 21:48 |
+perlDreamer | Data::Dumper is supposed to handle recursion | 21:48 |
SDuensin | perlDreamer: I set it's maxdepth to keep it from blowing up. | 21:49 |
+perlDreamer | maybe it's just a really big structure | 21:49 |
SDuensin | YES! Haarg, you rock. I've been googling for the last hour! | 21:50 |
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@tavisto | perlDreamer, Friday sounds good. I'll see if I can generate a list of things for ya. I've actually got 2 emails regarding the search and sort functions today | 22:20 |
@tavisto | I did not find the spam word so I do think that is a bug | 22:20 |
+perlDreamer | it may not be related to spam at all | 22:33 |
+perlDreamer | which would be even worse | 22:33 |
+perlDreamer | in any case, I think we should queue them up and deal with them one at a time | 22:33 |
+perlDreamer | starting with why there are tons of pending commits, and then spam issues, and then these others | 22:33 |
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+perlDreamer | is there a good way to benchmark different SQL queries? | 22:45 |
+perlDreamer | I found a way to drop a clause from getLineageSql, which seems like it would be faster | 22:46 |
+perlDreamer | but it would be nice to make sure | 22:46 |
ckotil | there's a benchmark sweet for sql | 23:03 |
ckotil | mysql | 23:03 |
ckotil | but maybe just using time would work? be easier. | 23:03 |
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+perlDreamer | I need to start a wiki page with the tests that are passing for wg8 | 01:21 |
+perlDreamer | apparently t/Asset/Asset*.t passes, except for AssetExportHtml | 01:28 |
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+perlDreamer | hm, with Moose triggers, we may not have to do as much subclassing of update as we currently do... | 02:16 |
CIA-50 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r1736b48 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Update Article for Moose - http://bit.ly/ce9rH7 | 02:21 |
CIA-50 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r13d0289 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm : Moose accessors. Convert part of update code into a trigger on storageId. - http://bit.ly/bjfrXB | 02:21 |
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CIA-50 | webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rc1c4256 / lib/WebGUI/AssetExportHtml.pm : Beginning to work on AssetExport - http://bit.ly/deKnIA | 03:03 |
+perlDreamer | that commit doesn't help the failing test, but it makes AssetExportHtml use the right constructors | 03:03 |
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CIA-50 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rdf4fdb6 / docs/gotcha.txt : Document the new version number for JavaScript::Packer. - http://bit.ly/96MdE3 | 04:20 |
CIA-50 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r77fc92d / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : Fix module name typo in testEnvironment.pl - http://bit.ly/99iNDH | 04:33 |
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CIA-50 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r0638fdf / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.7.32 development. - http://bit.ly/ap8tTi | 05:02 |
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elnino | hi! | 23:34 |
elnino | I have a WebGUI::Operation::Cron::www_runCronJob[295] - Could not create wo | 23:53 |
elnino | rkflow instance for workflowId 'pbworkflow000000000007' how do I get rid of that error? and what is it? I'll write a wiki so I dn't have to ask again. | 23:53 |
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elnino | how do I split my modperl logs (one for each site?) | 00:18 |
elnino | ok. I found http://www.webgui.org/wgtv/logging, but I think this only pertains to webgui.log? | 00:37 |
elnino | I see. I looked in modperl.conf - I'll write a wiki | 00:45 |
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carogray | I am finally getting round to using a snippet Diona sent me! It's working fantastically, but I have a few questions - what does it mean when there are two ; in a row | 03:36 |
carogray | ? | 03:36 |
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