| --- Log opened Tue Dec 01 00:00:41 2009 | ||
| SynQ | where is the page-up key on a mac? | 00:07 |
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| @Haarg | fn+up | 00:08 |
| SynQ | ah, thanks | 00:09 |
| SynQ | you'll never guess what I'm about to do | 00:09 |
| SynQ | I'll give you a hint.. big cat in winter running webgui with new indians and such :) | 00:09 |
| SynQ | Haarg: guess what | 00:12 |
| CIA-54 | WebGUI: translation * r12420 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_EventManagementSystem.pm Asset_EMSSubmissionForm.pm): Updating German on translation server | 00:13 |
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| SynQ | there is no fun in riddles if no-one guesses | 00:17 |
| SynQ | or even tries | 00:17 |
| SynQ | never mind | 00:20 |
| SynQ | I'm off to bed | 00:20 |
| SynQ | but first I'll spoil the riddle: I'm compiling a new WRE version on mac os x snow leopard | 00:22 |
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| CIA-54 | WebGUI: translation * r12421 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_EventManagementSystem.pm Asset_EMSSubmissionForm.pm): Updating German on translation server | 00:36 |
| CIA-54 | wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * r30b83da / build.sh : fixed libgcrypt compilation on mac - http://bit.ly/69CjCU | 00:39 |
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| CIA-54 | WebGUI: translation * r12422 /translations/German/German/Asset_EventManagementSystem.pm: Updating German on translation server | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Go Klaus! | 00:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | great | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I restarted spectre to log some output while testing | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | and that caused the workflow bug to stop | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | we need a way to enable debug output on a live, running spectre | 01:11 |
| xum | what's spectre do? just log | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | spectre handles all of WebGUI's scheduled activities, and coordinates workflows | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | for example, you can set up a workflow activity that runs right after a User logs in | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI calls up spectre and tell is to run that workflow | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | and spectre takes care of doing all the work | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | well, in a management kind of sense | 01:15 |
| xum | this is day 2 using WebGUI for me and I haven't gotten to figuring out what workflows are, but now I know Spectre is kind of like WebGUI's cron kind of. | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | workflows are tasks that you want run, but don't want to be tied to an HTTP request | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | there are workflows for cleaning out caches, fetching RSS feeds, sending and retrieving emails | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | all sorts of things | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | technically, to use WebGUI you don't have to know much about Workflows | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | but if you're developing WebGUI or customizing it, they're pretty important | 01:20 |
| xum | I'd like to be there soon, I'm just having trouble figuring out how everything is organized | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a very big system | 01:21 |
| xum | for instance, I can't find my-style.css, which should be in root/imports/ | 01:21 |
| xum | Yeah, seems ... over complicated to a degree | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | URLs are not tied to any particular hierarchy | 01:22 |
| xum | but this is only day 2 | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | try using the Search feature in the Asset Manager to find it | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | my-style.css is only created if you go through the Site Builder during the Setup | 01:23 |
| CIA-54 | wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * ra628e7c / build.sh : making libgcrypt work even better with Darwin - http://bit.ly/8noD4a | 01:23 |
| xum | which I did, was that a bad thing to do? | 01:23 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: your App::nopaste is in | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | xum, no, only that you should not expect it to be there unless it was actually created | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ: thanks! | 01:24 |
| SynQ | that means that Moose is in too | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a heavy app, for sure | 01:25 |
| SynQ | well | 01:25 |
| SynQ | it's not that bad | 01:25 |
| SynQ | I'm including git into the wre too | 01:25 |
| SynQ | git latest and greatest | 01:26 |
| SynQ | and wgd too | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | pretty soon it will be easier just to make an Ubuntu spin-off :) | 01:26 |
| SynQ | no it won't | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | yes it will | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | You haven't a chance of winning this argument. I have _two_ children who have been 2 years old. | 01:28 |
| SynQ | hehe | 01:29 |
| SynQ | no it won't | 01:29 |
| SynQ | :P | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | xum: the WebGUI primer https://www.plainblack.com/services/training/webgui-primer will help with introducing you to WebGUI | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | and it's free | 01:30 |
| xum | Hey that looks handy, thanks. Sure beats digging around trial and error. | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | the wiki on webgui.org also has some useful content, and the forums are full of Q&A kinds of things. | 01:31 |
| CIA-54 | wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * r7aed25d / build.sh : Darwin option the wrong way around, fixed - http://bit.ly/8UAKKb | 01:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ: we can make PB change from CentOS to Ubuntu, and who cares about those MacOS users, anyway? | 01:40 |
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| xum | First the google map asset kept landing me in the middle of the ocean off the west coast of africa, now it's centering in on the captiol of Wisconsin | 02:25 |
| xum | I guess it doesn't allow you to select a point to show up by default | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | that's because the company that makes WebGUI is based in the capital of Wisconsin | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | we all get Wisconsin's time zone and other defaults | 02:27 |
| xum | Luckily I'm in CST, but that's a few hundred miles off in the wrong direction :) | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | As to the choice of starting location for the map, the Map asset itself has startLatitude and startLongitude fields | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd recommend setting those | 02:28 |
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| xum | That only makes sense. | 02:30 |
| @preaction | If you're in Admin Mode there's a button called "Set Current View As Center" or something | 02:31 |
| xum | Haha, thanks for helping me with the id-10/t error I was having | 02:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | id-10/t is easier to fix than pebkac | 02:35 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie asset-helpers * r5375fbb / (lib/WebGUI/AssetHelper/Manage.pm t/AssetHelper/Manage.t): AssetManager Helper, which just opens a tab to the ContentHandler. - http://bit.ly/4sCc2b | 03:32 |
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| xum_ | would changing the display style of every page to something else be a workforce/Spectre deal? | 05:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | xum: no | 05:10 |
| +perlDreamer | xum_: what you would do is use the Edit Branch option to change the style template on every asset. | 05:10 |
| +perlDreamer | You can find Edit Branch in 2 ways | 05:14 |
| +perlDreamer | In Admin mode, the Icon that shows the kind of Asset has a dropdown menu | 05:14 |
| +perlDreamer | In the AssetManager, the "More" menu also has an Edit Branch link | 05:14 |
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| xum | When you say Asset Manager are you talking about Assets under Admin Console? | 05:20 |
| xum | Yes you are, and that is awesome. | 05:21 |
| +perlDreamer | It should be called the Asset Manager consistently, but isn't | 05:27 |
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| xum | https://www.plainblack.com/flash-style-3-template | 05:58 |
| xum | this is the only thing i don't much care for about WebGUI | 05:58 |
| @preaction | it has templates? | 05:58 |
| xum | Just seems like an awful lot of unnecessary disclosure to the system | 06:11 |
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| @preaction | there's no way to view the template code unless you have permission to edit the template, the images, CSS, and JS in those directories have to be viewable by everyone or else the site would look bad | 06:19 |
| @preaction | it's necessary disclosure | 06:20 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: Asset Helper conversion is drawing to a close for Asset*.pm | 06:32 |
| +perlDreamer | at least as far as I can take it without new Asset, Admin Console and Form Builder | 06:32 |
| * perlDreamer needs another task | 06:32 | |
| @preaction | awesome | 06:33 |
| @preaction | i'll have one tomorrow morning hopefully | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I could go through each and every asset to convert its methods over to Asset Helpers, but I really think we should have the prereqs in place before doing tons of work. | 06:34 |
| CIA-54 | WebGUI: translation * r12423 /translations/Farsi/Farsi/ (9 files): Updating Farsi on translation server | 06:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Farsi? | 06:48 |
| xum | It's an Indian language | 07:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm aware of that | 07:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I didn't know that we had any translators for Farsi | 07:13 |
| +perlDreamer | there have been incidences of people spamming the translation | 07:14 |
| +perlDreamer | so we try to watch it | 07:14 |
| +perlDreamer | is that _you_ translating, xum? | 07:15 |
| xum | My bad, I learned that from a movie. | 07:15 |
| xum | no, I only speak english | 07:15 |
| xum | So when people go to a WebGUI site they aren't automatically authenticated as the user "Visitor"? I'm trying to set a Collaboration System to allow posting by Visitors, and I get insufficient privileges error message asking me to login to an account. | 07:22 |
| @preaction | are visitors allowed to view? a visitor is any user that is not a registered user, are you logged in when trying to post? | 07:23 |
| @preaction | you want Everyone, most likely | 07:23 |
| +perlDreamer | right, otherwise, only Visitors would be allowed to post | 07:23 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry about the inbox noise, preaction | 07:24 |
| @preaction | okay, so that's you | 07:24 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 07:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I should disable the wreconsole while I'm typing | 07:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm several hours of work away from the -0007 bug, which is 1.5 days in real time | 07:26 |
| +perlDreamer | the spectre rewrite in 7.8.5 didn't touch this bug | 07:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm starting to think it's bad SQL for the singleton check | 07:29 |
| +perlDreamer | but we'll let the logs and traps supply evidence. | 07:29 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, earlier you mentioned that bad things happen when Workflows are run every minutes in Spectre. What kinds of things would you see? | 07:49 |
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| CIA-54 | wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * r39f39be / build.sh : removed unneeded path to libssh2 for curl - http://bit.ly/5WQ09j | 08:39 |
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| CIA-54 | wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * rff14338 / build.sh : forgot a closing quote - http://bit.ly/5D0zBC | 10:46 |
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| CIA-54 | wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * rfd70dab / build.sh : no tcktk for git - http://bit.ly/6FCZz8 | 14:45 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings. | 16:54 |
| dionak | morning | 16:54 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: Any luck with the SynCont encoding bug? | 16:55 |
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| SynQ | compile compile compile... | 17:26 |
| SynQ | http://www.webgui.nl/leden/downloads | 17:26 |
| SynQ | wre0.9.4RC2-debian-lenny-ia32.tgz | 17:26 |
| @preaction | SynQ: do you want me to figure out how to release a WRE version so we can get more people testing that RC? | 17:32 |
| SynQ | preaction: yes please | 17:34 |
| SynQ | preaction: and perhaps you can assist me in debugging the WRE config perl-scripting | 17:34 |
| SynQ | since that is currently not 'completly working' | 17:35 |
| CIA-54 | wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * r3fe67cf / wre/var/upgrades/upgrade_0.9.3-0.9.4.pl : Added upgradescript - http://bit.ly/8gnwhV | 17:36 |
| SynQ | preaction: something else I would like to do is create a script called /data/wre/sbin/wresetup.pl that takes as command line options what you would normally put into the wreconsole.pl stuff | 17:39 |
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| SynQ | also: the recommended way to upgrade to upgrade the WRE should NOT be to extract the new version over the current version | 17:39 |
| SynQ | since that keeps the perl modules that are old in place | 17:39 |
| @preaction | SynQ: why not instead have it be interactive, just command-line? Like Term::ReadLine | 17:39 |
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| SynQ | preaction: interactive is fine too | 17:40 |
| @preaction | okay, is that documented in upgrade.txt and/or gotcha.txt? | 17:40 |
| SynQ | not yet | 17:40 |
| @preaction | k | 17:40 |
| SynQ | up till now I have focussed on getting the prereqs working | 17:40 |
| SynQ | new ssl, new apache, new perl, new perl modules | 17:40 |
| SynQ | included curl and git | 17:40 |
| SynQ | that is all working now | 17:40 |
| SynQ | so we are allready half way there | 17:40 |
| SynQ | and Moose is in WRE too now | 17:41 |
| SynQ | you might like that | 17:41 |
| SynQ | this change kind of broke the wreconsole.pl setup of site.modperl and site.modproxy | 17:44 |
| SynQ | http://github.com/plainblack/wrebuild/commit/86a460fa2e43f49df0e8c8b885da2587ba3191aa | 17:44 |
| SynQ | since it didn't include updated code for adding the ServerAdmin e-mail address to the file | 17:45 |
| @preaction | it couldn't, because those are templates that people may have changed | 17:45 |
| SynQ | but the default templates can/could have been updated? | 17:46 |
| @preaction | they were, see the commit files? wre/var/setupfiles/modperl.template and modproxy.template | 17:46 |
| SynQ | I don't know what goes wrong exactly since I don't understand the code that wreconsole.pl is made of :) | 17:46 |
| SynQ | if you deploy that RC2 you'll see what I mean | 17:47 |
| SynQ | deploy it 'fresh' | 17:47 |
| SynQ | but I'll make it easy for you | 17:47 |
| SynQ | and create a virtual box debian install that has that RC2 on it :) | 17:47 |
| SynQ | ubuntu and mac os x 10.6 are now compiling | 17:48 |
| SynQ | I'll have them uploaded to webgui.nl as soon as they are done | 17:48 |
| @preaction | k | 17:48 |
| SynQ | can you compose me an e-mail that states how to release a WRE version? | 17:49 |
| SynQ | a new official WRE would make a nice sinterklaas present | 17:49 |
| SynQ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinterklaas | 17:50 |
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| @preaction | good morning perlDreamer! | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | hola, preaction | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm convinced of something about the -007 bug | 19:00 |
| @preaction | i'm going to merge fb into WebGUI8 so that it can be used | 19:00 |
| @preaction | oh? | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | it's 1 symptom caused by several problems | 19:01 |
| @preaction | nice | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | problem #1 is that spectre seems to be having timing issues | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/246443 | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | that shows a series of triggered -007 workflows | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | and they are much closer than 1 minute apart | 19:08 |
| @preaction | wow, yeah | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | this causes singleton workflow warnings in the logfiles which have nothing to do with the real problem | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | since the others have not finished yet! | 19:08 |
| @preaction | looks like it ran twice one time, and then got all screwed up | 19:09 |
| @preaction | lines 2 and 3 of that paste | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | the jobs seem to always get queued up near 10-15 minutes after the hour | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | which I think is when the hourly workflow runs | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | however, it's a false problem, since the next cron job will pick up the slack | 19:12 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: when merging new templates from TWG, are we just replacing the old ones or are we using an upgrade script to change to the new IDs? | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | If there are new templates, we change from old to new in the db | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | old ones are always deleted in either case | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | and replacements are the easiest | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | If the templates don't pass the test suite, I've rejected them in the past | 19:31 |
| @preaction | of course | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | and I insist on gotcha-level documentation for EVERY template | 19:31 |
| @preaction | hah. looks like we don't have a WRE build farm anymore... at least, nothing that is reachable by anybody other than JT | 19:33 |
| @preaction | ... looks like I have a new project... | 19:33 |
| +perlDreamer | It'd be easier to yank him from slumber for 15 minutes to get a username and password | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | the farm is in his office | 19:34 |
| @preaction | but that's not an option for me | 19:34 |
| @preaction | also, Graham is going to get you something to work on. if he doesn't, i've got something too | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | wunderbahr | 19:39 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie asset-helpers * r76d8c48 / (README lib/WebGUI/AssetHelper/EditBranch.pm): | 19:56 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Add EditBranch | 19:56 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Note that the form URL need to be set. - http://bit.ly/7qYcmM | 19:56 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie asset-helpers * r40a850c / lib/WebGUI/AssetHelper/ExportHtml.pm : | 20:09 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Export as HTML Asset Helper. | 20:09 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Note, needs Admin Console integration for title, content and URLs. - http://bit.ly/7jNfmQ | 20:09 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie asset-helpers * re17a783 / (README lib/WebGUI/AssetHelper/ExportHtml.pm): Update README, and fix a syntax error in ExportHtml. - http://bit.ly/6v0zBu | 20:12 |
| dionak | has anyone seen the presentation from the WUC for swifty site? | 20:30 |
| dionak | it's not yet on webgui tv but i'd like to checkout the way they were overloading WG | 20:30 |
| dionak | would Kristy have that info? | 20:30 |
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| @preaction | kristi or tavis would probably be able to hook you up | 20:32 |
| @preaction | speak of the devil! | 20:32 |
| dionak | tavisto, can you access the swifty site presentation from the WUC? | 20:32 |
| dionak | tavisto, yt? | 20:53 |
| dionak | hey patspam, how's NY treating you? | 20:58 |
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| @tavisto | sorry dionak, dealing with a huuuuuge headache atm | 21:26 |
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| dionak | np, tavisto. catch up when you're able. i've spammed you as well. ;) | 21:34 |
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| @preaction | today's reason WebGUI sucks: The "Trash Workflow" and "Purge Workflow" know absolutely nothing about what asset is being trashed or purged | 22:04 |
| @preaction | absolutely pointless... | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: what do they need to know? | 22:08 |
| @preaction | the asset being trashed or purged would be nice | 22:09 |
| @preaction | instead, i would have to guess. but that doesn't work because the workflow is triggered BEFORE the state="trash" and state="trash-limbo" are set | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | We're not talking about the same things :) | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I was thinking of the activities | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | and you're talking about those half-baked add-on Workflows in the settings, yes? | 22:11 |
| @preaction | yes | 22:11 |
| @preaction | and half-baked is way too nice... | 22:11 |
| @preaction | they are absolutely useless | 22:12 |
| @preaction | i would have better luck running this workflow every 5 minutes | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | if you file a bug about them, I'll fix it.... =) | 22:14 |
| @preaction | i'm not sure they can be fixed in a backwards-compatible way | 22:15 |
| @preaction | and it's not something we should worry about anyway | 22:15 |
| @preaction | but i really look forward to when we have an extra dev to remove this bullcrap | 22:16 |
| @preaction | so many edges need polishing... | 22:16 |
| * perlDreamer thinks we should do it now, anyway | 22:24 | |
| +perlDreamer | waiting and waiting doesn't get code written | 22:24 |
| @preaction | no, but there are better things to fix, like moving Assets to Moose and the new Admin Console etc... | 22:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | true. What do you want me to do today? | 22:31 |
| @preaction | Haarg: do you have the definition stuff ready for Colin? | 22:32 |
| @Haarg | i can in about 15 minutes | 22:33 |
| @preaction | ok, then perlDreamer that's what i'd like you to do | 22:34 |
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| elnino | so... I have a customer with a pseudo shop (uses paypal buttons/shop instead of yours) and he wants separate "search capabilities" | 22:43 |
| elnino | like one bypartnumber only, one by specifications, one by keyword name. | 22:43 |
| elnino | I'm assuming these are best done by sql report? | 22:43 |
| SquOnk | re | 22:44 |
| elnino | re? | 22:46 |
| @preaction | probably, depending on how the products are put into the site | 22:48 |
| elnino | so.. another question. | 22:49 |
| elnino | the home page is going to have a bunch of product assets on it. but he'll also have selves. | 22:49 |
| elnino | s/selves/shelves. | 22:49 |
| elnino | and each product will have keywords and the shelves will pull products on to them. | 22:50 |
| elnino | do we have to pay particular attentiont to where we originally create the products? | 22:50 |
| @preaction | not really, no | 22:51 |
| elnino | ok. I didn't think so. | 22:51 |
| elnino | to move products around, he can just modify the keywords essentially. but if he wants to remove them off the home page... hmm. | 22:52 |
| elnino | then he would literally have to cut and paste. | 22:52 |
| elnino | ? | 22:52 |
| @preaction | right | 22:53 |
| elnino | if product is put on a shelf it doesn't necessary have to have the keyword set for that shelf. | 22:53 |
| @preaction | or you could make a "home page" shelf that would display items on the home page | 22:53 |
| @preaction | right | 22:53 |
| elnino | this is so cool, but confusing. | 22:54 |
| elnino | this will be fun explaining this to him. =) | 22:54 |
| elnino | thought about the home page shelf too. I think that is the more consistant way to go. | 22:55 |
| elnino | then the "instructions" become: "modify the keywods" =) | 22:55 |
| elnino | thanks preaction! | 22:59 |
| elnino | hmm. is the specificationJSON field changing in 7.8? | 22:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino: no | 23:24 |
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| elnino | perlDreamer, thx. | 23:44 |
| elnino | Is there a cool function in mysql to parse JSON? | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | not that I know of | 23:44 |
| elnino | i had looked but didn't see anything. I guess I just have to parse. | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | why do you need to parse JSON in SQL? | 23:45 |
| @preaction | yes, that's a very bad idea | 23:46 |
| elnino | to read the specificationJSON field in a custom sql report. | 23:46 |
| elnino | I was also thinking | 23:46 |
| elnino | better yet to just create a custom product. | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, definitely | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | or a custom SQL reporter thingy | 23:46 |
| elnino | ok. Thanks guys | 23:50 |
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| Gso | does anyone know why after a backup then a restore the site works great until I restart services then it gives me code 500 modproxy error | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | Gso, when you say restore, what exactly did you restore? Database, uploads, code, all of the above? | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | a 500 modproxy error usually means that modperl isn't started, or couldn't start | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | That means that looking in /data/wre/var/logs/modperl.error.log would be a good idea :) | 00:13 |
| Gso | i did a backup of db and works great | 00:13 |
| Gso | then the web root and it worked great until i restated | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | you definitely want to check the error logs for what's happening | 00:14 |
| elnino | did you change the db user or password? | 00:14 |
| * perlDreamer guesses permission problems from the "web root" restore | 00:14 | |
| +perlDreamer | since that's where the access logs get written | 00:15 |
| Gso | yes I looked and it now says no such files | 00:15 |
| Gso | I have been looking into that | 00:15 |
| Gso | after back up the access file is gone | 00:16 |
| Gso | on the backup tar i checked permission of file and they are set for webgui before i extract | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | what about after the restore? | 00:18 |
| Gso | That could be where im messing up, i did the chowd -R webgui:webgui comand | 00:19 |
| Gso | is there a way to make sure | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | go look at the files, and the directory that they are in to double check the permissions | 00:20 |
| Gso | ok ill doit now | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | also, try pasting (at webgui.pastebin.com) the error messages from the error logs, and then giving us the URL. | 00:21 |
| Gso | ok | 00:21 |
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| Gso | the permissions were set to root I changed them to webgui, here is url from pastbin http://webgui.pastebin.com/m59a8b94c | 00:29 |
| Gso | can the issue be I log into my server as root and have added webgui as as user when i first set up the install | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | no, the problem is that user webgui cannot write to the /data/domains/www.i-family.net/logs/ directory, or to the access log specifically | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what the error message means | 00:36 |
| Gso | ok, what am I not seeing on what I did wrong during the restore to cause this and how do i fix the problem | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | when restoring the directory with tar, try using the -p switch, which will preserve permissions | 00:40 |
| @Haarg | does the directory /data/domains/www.i-family.net/logs/ exist? | 00:40 |
| Gso | all works well on page 31 of the admin guide until restore the sites root im lost | 00:40 |
| Gso | it does until i restart | 00:41 |
| @Haarg | what are you referring to by 'the sites root' | 00:42 |
| @Haarg | i don't have the admin guide available atm | 00:42 |
| @Haarg | i don't think it's a permissions thing as normally you would be restarting apache as root and it will ignore the permissions | 00:43 |
| @Haarg | since it opens the logs in the master process, not the children after changing users | 00:44 |
| Gso | the mysql restore part drop and add data base works great, then i rm -Rf /data/domains/###, cd /data/domains/###, tar xvfz /path/www.exp.com.tar.gz | 00:44 |
| @Haarg | it sounds like it isn't backing up the logs directory, so you need to create it manually | 00:45 |
| Gso | the site restores with all pics and works great until i restart server | 00:45 |
| Gso | im useing my wre set up backups | 00:46 |
| Gso | they were backups from oct21 | 00:47 |
| @Haarg | yeah, because it only re-opens the logs when you restart | 00:48 |
| @Haarg | if you create the directory it should work | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | should the Admin Guide be modified so that they don't nuke the logs directory? | 00:49 |
| @Haarg | probably | 00:50 |
| @Haarg | or at least mention it needs to be re-created | 00:50 |
| Gso | when the wre backs up does it add the logs to the tar or did I not set it up right back then | 00:51 |
| @Haarg | i believe it doesn't include the logs | 00:52 |
| @Haarg | so it's a problem with the restore process, which is more of a documentation problem | 00:52 |
| Gso | is there a post that I cant find on webgui with the correct way to back up and restore | 00:53 |
| Gso | Is there any other way to restore the sites | 00:59 |
| @Haarg | if you just create the logs directory after doing what you did it should work | 01:02 |
| Gso | thankyou, im going to fresh add the site, copy and save the logs file then restore the site and paste the logs file back into the folder, this hopefully works thank you | 01:04 |
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| Gso | Gram and perlDreamer thankyou so much I have been working on this for a long time something so simple worked lol thank you | 01:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I requested a copy of the Admin Guide for review | 01:24 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rae08335 / (lib/WebGUI/Macro/SpectreCheck.pm t/Macro/SpectreCheck.t): Add test for SpectreTest macro. Handle fall-through condition in Macro itself. - http://bit.ly/8ldWNy | 01:41 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rad67b8a / (lib/WebGUI/Macro/SpectreCheck.pm t/Macro/SpectreCheck.t): Add test for SpectreTest macro. Handle fall-through condition in Macro itself. - http://bit.ly/74Xb9y | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I accidently pushed some topic branches up to github | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | how do I remove them remotely? | 01:47 |
| @Haarg | git push origin :my-branch | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks! | 01:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | I HATE TIME | 02:24 |
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| daviddelikat | so I'm back at it... | 02:47 |
| daviddelikat | any WG gurus want to help me solve a weird problem? | 02:48 |
| @preaction | we can try | 02:48 |
| daviddelikat | I can't start modperl because the only thing in my @INC is /data/WebGUI/lib | 02:49 |
| daviddelikat | I had an overflow problem a while ago and some files got truncated | 02:49 |
| daviddelikat | so I'm guessing theres something that I'm missing | 02:49 |
| daviddelikat | any idea where this gets configured? | 02:50 |
| @preaction | have you updated from git recently? there's some new code in sbin/preload.perl that removes "." from @INC, it might be removing too much | 02:50 |
| daviddelikat | is it more than a week old? | 02:50 |
| daviddelikat | I updated early last week | 02:50 |
| @preaction | i don't know | 02:51 |
| daviddelikat | i just pulled now, so I'll see what happens | 02:51 |
| daviddelikat | ok, whatever it was its fixed! | 02:54 |
| daviddelikat | thanks | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | nice to see you back, dude | 03:00 |
| daviddelikat | I'm still trying to get this EMS stuff pushed in | 03:01 |
| +perlDreamer | ??? | 03:01 |
| +perlDreamer | It's in the core already? | 03:01 |
| daviddelikat | there were a few mods to do | 03:01 |
| daviddelikat | and my WG VM crashed so I had to fix it | 03:01 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, I see | 03:02 |
| daviddelikat | now I have to id some template changes so that I don't kill somebody elses work... | 03:02 |
| +perlDreamer | don't do any pushes now, since I'm going to start the release in a bit | 03:02 |
| daviddelikat | that means that I have to do this all over again... | 03:02 |
| daviddelikat | I'll wait | 03:03 |
| daviddelikat | do you have an ETA? | 03:03 |
| +perlDreamer | 2.5 hours from start to finish | 03:05 |
| daviddelikat | days like today I really wish templates were handled like code | 03:05 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be nice | 03:05 |
| daviddelikat | so 10PM | 03:05 |
| daviddelikat | ? | 03:05 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, or I can wait an hour or so to start | 03:05 |
| +perlDreamer | would that be better for you? | 03:05 |
| daviddelikat | I have to figure out what to do with these templates.. | 03:06 |
| daviddelikat | might as well go ahead | 03:06 |
| daviddelikat | I'll put my stuf fin later | 03:06 |
| daviddelikat | I also wish upgrades moved around easier... | 03:07 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra672849 / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 03:09 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Fix epoch=0 issues with Session/DateTime and D_date macro. | 03:09 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Add an edge case test for D_date macro. - http://bit.ly/5og6Xd | 03:09 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra7aa1d2 / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 03:09 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Fix epoch=0 issues with Session/DateTime and D_date macro. | 03:09 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Add an edge case test for D_date macro. - http://bit.ly/5c6DL1 | 03:09 |
| +perlDreamer | they move pretty easily, they just don't port across branches easily | 03:09 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf39577e / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.8.7 release. - http://bit.ly/5zBqKl | 03:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat: running slightly behind schedule at this point | 04:22 |
| daviddelikat | no problem, I probably wont push my stuff tonight... | 04:23 |
| daviddelikat | too busy with other 'stuff' | 04:23 |
| +perlDreamer | hardware? | 04:23 |
| +perlDreamer | daughters? | 04:23 |
| daviddelikat | job search | 04:23 |
| daviddelikat | power point class | 04:23 |
| daviddelikat | and yes, daughters | 04:23 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rff7e09e / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.8.8 development. - http://bit.ly/7vlCOQ | 05:07 |
| +perlDreamer | davidelikat, I'm done | 05:08 |
| daviddelikat | thanks | 05:11 |
| +perlDreamer | 'night, all. See you in my morning. | 05:27 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:20 |
| +BartJol | goodmorning to you | 16:29 |
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| SDuensin | How's things in Gooey Land? I've been lurking lately - too busy to jump in and abuse you folks. :-) | 16:41 |
| * BartJol hides away in a dark corner | 16:42 | |
| SDuensin | That good, eh? Sounds like here at the office. :-) | 16:43 |
| +BartJol | well, I've been resetting image id's manually, explaining people that you have to use the function "mail data" if you want to have data mailed | 16:44 |
| +BartJol | stuff like that | 16:44 |
| SDuensin | Sorry. I still win. I'm taking government training courses on network security. | 16:45 |
| +BartJol | restoring sql reports so that they comply to latest stable db's | 16:45 |
| +BartJol | ooh | 16:45 |
| +BartJol | network security: don't plug in into the internet or you'll be doomed | 16:46 |
| +BartJol | quite save | 16:47 |
| +BartJol | don't use storage media other than harddrive | 16:47 |
| SDuensin | Yea, but they want to know stupid things like the directive number in the DoD guidelines that covers a particular subject. Who knows? Who cares? That's why we have a table of contents! | 16:50 |
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| +BartJol | well, you know perl, just give an object reference :) | 16:55 |
| SDuensin | Perl is what got me into this mess! | 16:55 |
| +BartJol | and it gets you out | 16:55 |
| SDuensin | They wanted someone who knew networking, Windows, and Perl. Somewhat an odd mix in the USA where everything in the business world is Microsoft-only. | 16:56 |
| SDuensin | Not as odd as the one job I interviewed for that wanted a Linux system admin who knew Visual Basic 6. Figure that one out. | 16:56 |
| +BartJol | eeh, so he/she be very happy, knowing what not having to use? | 16:57 |
| SDuensin | hehehe | 16:57 |
| SDuensin | Sad to say, I used to be very good with "classic" VB. Even wrote a Descent-clone in it once. (The 3D game, that is.) | 16:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, folks! | 17:57 |
| @Haarg | morning | 17:57 |
| +BartJol | oh and one macro richer | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | huh? | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol: Did you grace the WebGUI world with another of your macros? | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | there's nothing new in the Bazaar... | 18:17 |
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| +BartJol | well, it's kinda sitre specific | 18:18 |
| +BartJol | it gets 3 thumbnails of screenshots of bazaarItem based on a passed keyword | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 18:19 |
| +BartJol | or better three url's of thumbnails | 18:19 |
| +BartJol | yeah, it actually works at the perl sidew | 18:19 |
| +BartJol | but some of the screenshots are .flv files and not shown with an img tag | 18:20 |
| +BartJol | so it looks buggy, while the code is (off course) awsome :P | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, flv files are for heffalumps and woozels | 18:23 |
| +BartJol | and vj's | 18:23 |
| +perlDreamer | flv stands for Files Loved by Vj's ? | 18:24 |
| +BartJol | :), not sure | 18:25 |
| +BartJol | or filth | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, that's the name of a band | 18:25 |
| +BartJol | and after all that hard work I only get a "are you gonna fix that" remark | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Filthy Loud Vermin | 18:25 |
| +BartJol | ah | 18:26 |
| +BartJol | cool | 18:26 |
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| @steveo_aa | What DB table record to I check to see what the WebGUI version is within the DB? | 19:50 |
| @steveo_aa | webguiVersion, duh. | 19:51 |
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| carogray | help! site I support at a distance just committed - I think a bunch of styles and it looks as though one is not logged in when one is and admin bar can only be found by adding op=assetManager to end url and then going to view page and then Admin on link appears at bottom of page | 22:56 |
| carogray | ayah lord! | 22:56 |
| carogray | I have managed to get into template | 22:56 |
| carogray | there is an ^AssetProxy("templates/style/wmls-2007-styles"); | 22:57 |
| carogray | could the solution be as simple as deleting the "s from this syntax? | 22:57 |
| carogray | ^Admin bar is in the template. | 22:58 |
| carogray | perhaps I should just post templates in thepastebin? | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | if you can turn on debug mode in the Settings, it should help narrow down the problem | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | the quotes in the AssetProxy aren't required, but shouldn't hurt | 23:02 |
| carogray | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m15a22392 | 23:04 |
| carogray | ok | 23:04 |
| carogray | will try that | 23:04 |
| carogray | perlDreamer: where is the debug tool in settings? | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Under the Misc tab | 23:05 |
| carogray | it's asking me for an IP address - do I put in the PlainBlack server that hosts all of our websites? | 23:06 |
| ckotil | this might be it, value="^FileUrl(" collateral/hmflash.swf");"> | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | extra space | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | and no quotes | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | quotes are only needed when you have commas | 23:08 |
| carogray | so I should correct to: | 23:08 |
| carogray | value="^FileUrl( collateral/hmflash.swf);>" | 23:09 |
| carogray | ? | 23:09 |
| carogray | i would need quotes for the value= | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, and no extra spaces | 23:09 |
| carogray | right? | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, because that part is HTML | 23:09 |
| carogray | ok let me give it a try | 23:09 |
| carogray | nope | 23:16 |
| carogray | Word footnote crisis in office - have to go solve, but I will be back | 23:18 |
| @preaction | never knew word footnotes could be a crisis | 23:18 |
| +perlDreamer | only in Word ;) | 23:19 |
| carogray | of course she's on the phone | 23:20 |
| carogray | yes, lawyers have Word crises all the time - deadlines for briefs and pleadings and motions that have to look just right and all be completed yesterday | 23:21 |
| carogray | and of course they are always too busy to go to trainings;) | 23:21 |
| +perlDreamer | trainings have no billable time | 23:22 |
| carogray | so any more ideas on the login admin bar mess | 23:22 |
| carogray | we don't do billable time | 23:22 |
| carogray | we are all on v. low salary - non profit legal aid organizations | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | do you have a URL I could look at? | 23:23 |
| carogray | www.wmls.org | 23:23 |
| carogray | PD don't seem to be able to private message you? | 23:23 |
| carogray | or anyone | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | really? | 23:23 |
| carogray | using pidgin | 23:24 |
| carogray | oh there you are | 23:24 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie asset-helpers * r3e11f71 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Add the Lock Asset AssetHelper - http://bit.ly/5qkJah | 01:27 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie asset-helpers * rbf1953b / README : Update the list of Helpers - http://bit.ly/8mla4I | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | what a ripoff! | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | if I have 500 Mb of stuff in my dropbox account | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | and I have 3 friends with 500 Mb each, and they share their stuff with me, then my account is "full" | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | it's nuts! | 01:45 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie moose-definition * r0c90162 / (lib/WebGUI/Definition/Role/Asset.pm sbin/testEnvironment.pl): Fix a syntax error, and add a list of newly required modules to testEnvironment.pl - http://bit.ly/89PDpH | 02:06 |
| @Haarg | reminds me | 02:07 |
| @Haarg | need to change the Template Toolkit prereq | 02:07 |
| @Haarg | the module name is just Template, not Template::Toolkit | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | it's already fixed upstream | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | we need to merge back with master | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | in all the wg8 topic branches | 02:09 |
| * perlDreamer goes running | 02:12 | |
| +perlDreamer | won't be back 'til late tonight | 02:12 |
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| elnino | hi. I want to display my shelf differently when viewed directly vs when it's on a page layout. | 09:24 |
| elnino | will the style template of the shelf be able to access the shelve's template variables? | 09:25 |
| @preaction | put a shortcut on the page layout, make the shortcut override the template of the shelf, hide the original shelf from the page layout | 09:25 |
| elnino | ah! ok. | 09:25 |
| elnino | clever. Thank preaction@ | 09:26 |
| elnino | good nite! | 09:26 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:28 |
| +bartjol | hello, goodmorning | 16:29 |
| +bartjol | how are you today | 16:29 |
| SDuensin | Not sure yet. | 16:30 |
| SDuensin | :-) | 16:30 |
| SDuensin | Seems someone I do business with had a security breech, so MasterCard turned of my card "just in case". | 16:30 |
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| +bartjol | SDuensin: well use your debet card | 16:54 |
| SDuensin | Not online. | 16:55 |
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| +bartjol | morning Colin | 17:58 |
| +bartjol | could you have a quick look at a macro? It is complaining about undefined values while it shouldn | 17:58 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, which one, bartjol? | 17:59 |
| +bartjol | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7a3276e2 | 17:59 |
| +bartjol | don be scared of the ugly code :) | 17:59 |
| +bartjol | the error comes from line 24 | 18:00 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto: go make a comment about TGC on this handmade Settlers of Catan blog posting: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/12/handmade_settlers_of_catan_gameboar.html#comments | 18:00 |
| +bartjol | the getThumbnailUrl | 18:00 |
| +perlDreamer | not all BazaarItems have Storage locations with images inside them | 18:01 |
| +perlDreamer | also, in addition to throwing an error if the BazaarItem is undef, you should skip to the next item in the array | 18:01 |
| +perlDreamer | you're getting an error like, cannot call method ->getThumbnailUrl on an undefined value? | 18:02 |
| +bartjol | yeah | 18:03 |
| +perlDreamer | that's why. One of the bazaarItem objects cannot be made with new, so new is returning undef | 18:03 |
| +perlDreamer | add a next after you throw the error, and it should work great | 18:04 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r43f295d / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Vendor.pm): Fix some bad POD in the Vendor module. Fixes bug #11287 - http://bit.ly/5lOwpZ | 18:06 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8574b68 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Vendor.pm): Fix some bad POD in the Vendor module. Fixes bug #11287 - http://bit.ly/8dEdcV | 18:06 |
| +bartjol | joy, it works! | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | awesome! | 18:07 |
| +bartjol | many thanks | 18:09 |
| +bartjol | done before my vacation | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I hope you have a good time | 18:10 |
| +bartjol | I prolly will | 18:11 |
| +bartjol | cold weather, big castles and beer | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | in debian, how do I install a .deb file and tell the system to go fetch all its prerequisites? | 18:15 |
| +bartjol | mmm | 18:15 |
| +perlDreamer | got it | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | had to install the dependencies manually though | 18:25 |
| @tavisto | haha wow nice PerlDreamer, will do | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | subscribing to the make feed makes for a good read | 18:36 |
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| CIA-54 | WebGUI: translation * r12424 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/Asset_Collaboration.pm: Updating Dutch on translation server | 18:46 |
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| @steveo_aa | I have a Navigation asset and a snippet that have unique asset ids, the same parent, and the same url. Is there any further complexity in resolving this than hand editing the url of one to be unique and different? | 21:33 |
| @steveo_aa | I know I have to change it in assetData and assetIndex. | 21:33 |
| +perlDreamer | how did they get the same URLs? | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a uniqueness check on URLs | 21:41 |
| @steveo_aa | As it turns out, I missed a subtle difference in the urls of each with one having a very small typo. | 21:44 |
| @steveo_aa | I'm trying to find out why a snippet asset with a clean lineage and parentId is breaking when I rebuildLineage on the site. | 21:46 |
| +patspam | hi all | 21:47 |
| +patspam | I went to a talk by the founder of github last night | 21:47 |
| +patspam | insanely awesome architecture | 21:47 |
| +patspam | lots of interconnected subsystems | 21:48 |
| +patspam | rails is only a small part of it | 21:48 |
| +patspam | they use a lot of the Rack stuff (which is what Plack is stealing from) | 21:48 |
| +patspam | and several subsystems that will be available in wg8, like memcached | 21:48 |
| +patspam | got me really excited | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | awesome! | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | New York sounds like a good place for hackery | 22:01 |
| @Haarg | i read the stuff they posted in their blog about the architecture and it does sounds pretty cool | 22:03 |
| @Haarg | hopefully they get the kinks worked out with it. they've still been having a good bit of downtime. | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Did you read my Dropbox rant yesterday? | 22:04 |
| @Haarg | no | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Dropbox account limits include any folders that are shared from other users | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | so, if you have a free account, and your buddy has paid for extra storage, and he shares his folder to you, you've just blown your quota | 22:05 |
| @Haarg | ah yeah | 22:05 |
| @Haarg | it is a bit annoying | 22:05 |
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| elnino | is there a way to have mulitple little calendars, and another master calendar that combines the other small calendars? | 02:47 |
| elnino | is that what the feeds are? | 02:47 |
| elnino | what format do those need to be? | 02:47 |
| elnino | those rss? | 02:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | feeds are in ICS format | 02:50 |
| +perlDreamer | and yes | 02:50 |
| +perlDreamer | you can have lots of little calendars, and aggregate them all into 1 big calendar | 02:50 |
| elnino | oh. never heard of ics. | 02:51 |
| elnino | do wg calendars have feeds? | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | they produce them, and consume them | 02:52 |
| elnino | and I get to them how? func=rss? | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | func=ical, I think | 02:54 |
| elnino | ah. ics - ical | 02:54 |
| elnino | k I'll try | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | yes :) | 02:54 |
| elnino | oh I see.. I was still entering stuff.. =) Thanks perlDreamer | 02:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | time for dinner, be back tomorrow | 03:08 |
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| @preaction | WebGUIx::Asset now (1) shows up in asset manager, (2) allows view, (3) allows edit and save | 05:31 |
| @preaction | just need to round those three things off and add (4) allows add | 05:32 |
| elnino | when I add a feed to a calendar, how long does it take for it to be Imported? | 05:46 |
| elnino | I set the cache to 1, and still don't see my imported events. Tried another ics and no luck =( | 05:56 |
| elnino | nothing in the logs | 06:07 |
| elnino | interesting, it created version tags | 06:25 |
| @preaction | it's on an hourly schedule | 06:37 |
| @preaction | running with the Hourly Maintenance Tasks | 06:38 |
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| elnino | ok. Thanks preaction. I thought I waited an hour - I guess not. | 06:48 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9476878 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix a call on potentially undefined parent in Gallery Album. Fixes bug #11289. - http://bit.ly/5TJU5Y | 08:50 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rcb68965 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix a call on potentially undefined parent in Gallery Album. Fixes bug #11289. - http://bit.ly/7r4VEy | 08:52 |
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| carogray | hi - need help understanding DNS service vs. registrars vs. hosting | 13:25 |
| carogray | just moved a website OFF a plainblack server | 13:26 |
| carogray | name is registered with lowellarea.com | 13:26 |
| carogray | We are using PlainBlack Automat for something, .... wait I will go look all this up again and come back with more intelligent questions | 13:27 |
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| SquOnk | Morning | 15:46 |
| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I made a spreadsheet that gives an overview of asset instanciators, setters and fetchers to help me think about the object model. Do you want a copy of it? | 18:29 |
| @Haarg | sure | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | It's.... tangled. | 18:30 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer, Haarg: How can I help with the SynCon encoding bug? | 18:36 |
| SquOnk | I really need that fixed :-) | 18:36 |
| @Haarg | write a test that can check that a cyrillic feed is decoded properly | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, which perl are you having the cyrillic problem with? | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm pretty sure this is a perl bug, and not a problem on our end. | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | the WRE perl works fine, but neither Fedora nor Ubuntu do | 18:40 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: Do you have a non-working test? | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | at least for the Kanji character test in Search.t | 18:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, for FC 11 and Ubuntu 9.10. FC10 worked fine. | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | it could also be a MySQL issue, I guess | 18:43 |
| carogray | quick css question: I think all of our text is in a div id="text" I want certain words to be italicized to be glossary class="glossary" no matter if they are in a list, a table a paragraph etc. How do I put this into the style sheet? Can I just put .glossary {font-style:italic} and then it will inherit all its other characteristics from the p, li or table classes/id's? | 18:43 |
| elnino | hmmm.what would cause emails from a data form to not be sent out, and other sites with a dataform on the same server be working? I restared spectre a a bunch got sent out from the one site | 18:43 |
| carogray | that is <span class="glossary"> word</span> | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | carogray, yes. | 18:44 |
| carogray | yay! thanks | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, per site config on the email server is one thing to look at | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | email template is another | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | check the webgui.log | 18:45 |
| elnino | I believe that site does have a custom email template (its my oldest site) - what would I look for there? | 18:46 |
| @Haarg | SquOnk, http://github.com/haarg/webgui/tree/sc-testing | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, template errors | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | also, check the WorkflowInstance table for a stuck instance of pbworkflow00000007 | 18:48 |
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| elnino | no, there are no template errors, but Ive seen stuck workflows | 18:49 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, i'm pretty sure it isn't a perl bug | 18:49 |
| * elnino elnino investiates more brb | 18:50 | |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: and I'm guessing that it's the same as the Kanji character test in Search.t, too | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't have any evidence that they're related | 18:51 |
| @Haarg | in the test, when it tries to decode the feed | 18:51 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: So, the test is not passing with the utf8-ru collateral, right? | 18:51 |
| @Haarg | the results just come bacck empty | 18:52 |
| @Haarg | it's failing on a number of things | 18:52 |
| @Haarg | including both the utf8 cyrillic and the iso-8859-5 | 18:52 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: Could you change "<" for "<:utf8" in open and try it out? | 18:53 |
| @Haarg | it's not that simple | 18:54 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: ...or "<:encoding(utf8)" | 18:54 |
| @Haarg | it reads it as bytes on purpose | 18:54 |
| SquOnk | Ah, living dangerously. | 18:55 |
| @Haarg | and tests various ways of decodind it | 18:55 |
| @Haarg | some of the tests decode to characters before handing it to the sc | 18:55 |
| @Haarg | some of them don't | 18:55 |
| @Haarg | neither is working | 18:55 |
| elnino | perlDreamer, yep: WebGUI::Operation::Cron::www_runCronJob[295] - Could not create workflow instance for workflowId 'pbworkflow000000000007': It is a singleton workflow and is still running from the last invocation. | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, that can either be a real problem, or a transient issue with spectre scheduling | 19:04 |
| elnino | the furstrating thing is that I've restarted spectre several tiems in the last couple months, and this looks to have been going on for a long time. | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | look in the db for 2 things | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) persistent emails that never get sent out, by id | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) persistent workflow instance that is always stuck | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | those are the indicators of the real spectre bug, instead of the short-term scheduling issue I mentioned before. | 19:05 |
| elnino | pbworkflow000000000004 and pbworkflow000000000002 and a couple pbworkflow000000000001 majorit of them are 7, probably a tie between 4 and 1. | 19:08 |
| elnino | I'll look in the database. | 19:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam: are you running Ubuntu 9.10, or 9.4? | 19:16 |
| +patspam | yo | 19:16 |
| +patspam | 9.10 | 19:16 |
| elnino | I take it that workflowinstance is the table I wan't to look at. It's empty | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, if WorkflowInstance is empty, then spectre is working fine | 19:22 |
| elnino | right, it all claered up when I restarted spectre. | 19:22 |
| elnino | yesterday. | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino: and you're still having problems with emails going out? | 19:22 |
| elnino | I'll test. | 19:22 |
| elnino | I was jsut wondering what would cause one site to hord all it's emails, while others seem to have been working (I get copied on all of them) | 19:23 |
| elnino | testing... | 19:23 |
| elnino | what table is the outgoing emails in? WorkflowInstance as well? | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | mailQueue | 19:26 |
| elnino | ah. | 19:26 |
| elnino | I searched for "email" | 19:26 |
| elnino | =) | 19:26 |
| elnino | there it is. I got it. so emails are working. | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | are you on 7.6, elnino? | 19:27 |
| elnino | I'm just going to setup a cron to email me stuck emails. that will work for now. | 19:27 |
| elnino | yes. | 19:27 |
| elnino | I want to upgrade soon | 19:27 |
| elnino | but I have a feeling I will have a lot of css fixing with the template changes. so probably after Christmas | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | the common spectre solution is to restart it every 6 hours or so with a cron job | 19:28 |
| elnino | thought about that too. I had a cron doing that, but I disabled it long ago for some reason. | 19:29 |
| elnino | it was mixed in iwth other maintainance stuff. | 19:29 |
| elnino | hmm. I have three sites with stuck emails. two I know why, the other I dont, hmm. probably the same reason. maybe they were messing the others. | 19:37 |
| elnino | ok. weird. | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, all those tests also fail on WRE 0.9.3 | 19:41 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | so much for my simple character handling failure idea | 19:41 |
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| elnino | In workflowinstance, if the status is disabled, but it's been running since a old date, how should I interpret that? It gave up? | 19:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm going to be gone the rest of the day, riding on steam trains! | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | catch y'all later | 20:50 |
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| dionak | tavisto, i've been chatting with Henry Tang. Got his presentation from him. | 21:42 |
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| @tavisto | hey Dionak, Great, is that something you were waiting on me for? | 22:00 |
| @tavisto | I haven't been very accessible because of some major projects I've been tasked with. I know we still need to get you fixed up on the WebGUI Worldwide. | 22:01 |
| dionak | i had asked for it (was it yesterday?) | 22:09 |
| dionak | but ended up finding Henry on FB | 22:09 |
| dionak | yes, you had mentioned you've been slammed | 22:09 |
| @steveo_aa | It appears that when I have an object of WebGUI::Asset::File::Image, that when I $asset->purge, the storage location goes away even if there are other assets in that storage location. Is their a friendlier way to delete a particular stored asset that only deletes the stored item without wiping out the storage location too? | 22:09 |
| dionak | it would be very helpful to be able to edit our info on the webgui sites as it exists in various places. Let's catch up after the holidays, tavisto | 22:11 |
| dionak | when things will be a bit slower | 22:11 |
| @Haarg | steveo_aa, if there is a file asset that shares a storage location with another file asset, they are broken | 22:12 |
| @Haarg | everything assumes the storage locations are unique to the asset revision because that's how it is supposed to work | 22:12 |
| @Haarg | you may want to make a script that looks for duplicates and makes new storage locations for cases it finds | 22:13 |
| @steveo_aa | You are saying that I can't have several images in a storage location, each with different assetIds because that breaks API assumptions? | 22:13 |
| @Haarg | yes | 22:14 |
| @steveo_aa | It seems that in my instance, avatars may be in the same storage location as profile photos. | 22:15 |
| @steveo_aa | If I delete the avatar asset, the photo goes away | 22:15 |
| @steveo_aa | I either have an abandoned avatar asset, or a photo asset that points to nothing. | 22:16 |
| @steveo_aa | Hmm. | 22:16 |
| @steveo_aa | Mark the asset as trash? Maybe that would be satisfactory. | 22:17 |
| @steveo_aa | Is that a field accessible to $asset->update()? | 22:19 |
| @Haarg | yes | 22:19 |
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| @steveo_aa | How would I go about copying a file from one storage location to another? | 22:28 |
| @steveo_aa | addFileFromFilesystem with the $store->getPath($filename)? | 22:29 |
| @Haarg | $storage->copy will duplicate the entire storage location | 22:29 |
| @steveo_aa | Ok | 22:30 |
| @Haarg | it also can accept a file list if you only want to include certain files | 22:30 |
| @steveo_aa | certain files? I'm confused. A storage location should reference only one file right? | 22:31 |
| @steveo_aa | I mean an asset with a storage location... | 22:31 |
| @Haarg | storage locations can include multiple files, but file assets usually only store onne | 22:33 |
| @steveo_aa | Sounds like a catch 22. A storage location can have multiple files, and an asset can reference only on file in a storage location, but multple assets can not refer to the same storage location without problems. | 22:34 |
| @Haarg | i wasn't clear if you were dealing with a case with multiple files or not | 22:34 |
| @steveo_aa | So, I can throw a bunch of files into a storage location but reference them using only one asset, getting them from their storage path, but then I can't address those items without additional logic using the storage object, because if I use the asset object, my results may not be what I expect. | 22:37 |
| @steveo_aa | using the asset object as a container reference only. | 22:37 |
| @steveo_aa | Hmm. | 22:38 |
| @Haarg | the file asset itself will only ever store one file in a storage location | 22:40 |
| @Haarg | other things may use storage locations differently | 22:40 |
| @Haarg | also, storage locations are assumed to be single purpose | 22:41 |
| @Haarg | as in, they only belong to a single asset, or to a single user profile, or whatever other use | 22:41 |
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| @steveo_aa | That's a lot of overhead. Was this a security issue? | 22:48 |
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| seriftron | is it possible to transfer the items of a cart to a cart in another webgui instance? this was working with two carts on the same instance with op=sssoViaSessionId, but it's not working between two different instances | 23:11 |
| seriftron | excuse me, by "instance", i mean "site" | 23:12 |
| seriftron | :q | 23:13 |
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| @steveo_aa | Wouldn't both sites need to use the same database? Otherwise the new site wouldn't know the detail of the cart. | 23:18 |
| seriftron | That may be the case. I wanted to see if it could be done before I started debugging too much | 23:18 |
| @steveo_aa | It would seem if they don't share a DB your only recourse is a secure API communication path that transmits the data to the new site behind the scenes. | 23:19 |
| seriftron | That makes sense. | 23:19 |
| dionak | how would that work tho, in practice? | 23:20 |
| @steveo_aa | A web site address that accepts a post and does authentication on the stream? | 23:20 |
| @steveo_aa | If you have SSL, then you can do it without exposing the data to the network. | 23:21 |
| dionak | makes sense. | 23:21 |
| @steveo_aa | Or you can expose your DB through security rules and have the new site actually open a db connection to the old site. Again, security is important. | 23:22 |
| @steveo_aa | My preference is to not do this second one if possilble. | 23:23 |
| @steveo_aa | But it might solve some problems if you are certain you have it completely contained behind a firewall. | 23:24 |
| @steveo_aa | You can expose it more, but then there is more risk. | 23:24 |
| @steveo_aa | ssh tunneling can work. | 23:25 |
| @steveo_aa | I still prefer the API path though. | 23:25 |
| @steveo_aa | Less things to break, or expose. | 23:25 |
| @steveo_aa | More portable too if the sites move around. | 23:27 |
| @steveo_aa | More questions about storage... | 23:33 |
| @steveo_aa | nm, I have an idea. | 23:35 |
| seriftron | Thanks, Steve | 23:38 |
| seriftron | I think we're going to go with a more straightforward solution that will allow us to process the cart on the same site...the project in question has enough custom code to maintain as is ;) | 23:41 |
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| +cap10morgan | how crazy of a change would it be to split the cache table onto a different database server? | 01:56 |
| +cap10morgan | would that require a complete rewrite of webgui, or would it not be that difficult? | 01:56 |
| @preaction | it would probably just be a new cache driver | 01:57 |
| @preaction | but it wouldn't work with WebGUI 8 (which is using memcached exclusively) | 01:57 |
| +cap10morgan | sure | 01:57 |
| +cap10morgan | i'm just trying to think of ways to optimize v7 in the meantime | 01:57 |
| @preaction | perhaps have a single master database on a seperate server, and run read-only slaves on the web nodes (since cache queries should be pulled from the slaves) | 01:58 |
| +cap10morgan | if you setup a slave db in the webgui config, does it run cache queries on that? | 01:59 |
| @preaction | i just checked, looks like actually no, but that wouldn't be hard to change | 02:01 |
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| +cap10morgan | is it explicitly not using the slave for that for some reason? | 02:02 |
| +cap10morgan | that seems like a fairly huge optimization | 02:02 |
| @preaction | i don't know | 02:02 |
| +cap10morgan | hmm... | 02:02 |
| @preaction | not many people use the dbSlave configuration | 02:03 |
| +cap10morgan | i'm getting a ton of select content from cache queries in my slow query log | 02:04 |
| +cap10morgan | which seems very bad | 02:04 |
| @preaction | yes it does | 02:04 |
| +cap10morgan | but when i run them manually, they execute very fast | 02:04 |
| @preaction | perhaps repair table and optimize table? | 02:05 |
| +cap10morgan | my slow query threshold is 5 seconds | 02:05 |
| +cap10morgan | hmm, yes, i should do that | 02:05 |
| @preaction | perhaps also up the key cache size to make sure the entire cache table's keys stay in memory? | 02:05 |
| @preaction | are you load-balanced? | 02:05 |
| +cap10morgan | yes | 02:05 |
| +cap10morgan | yes, i need to increase the key buffer size too | 02:06 |
| +cap10morgan | monyog recommended that | 02:06 |
| @preaction | or, if the db is centralized, perhaps putting the cache table as a memory table would speed things up? | 02:06 |
| +cap10morgan | oh, interesting, i didn't know you could do that; but makes perfect sense | 02:06 |
| +cap10morgan | i'm getting a ton of disk reads too | 02:06 |
| +cap10morgan | so that might be it right there | 02:06 |
| @preaction | i wish we were using CIH in the WebGUI 8, then we could have configurability (a choice between memcached and fast mmap_ | 02:07 |
| +cap10morgan | oh, memory tables don't support blobs | 02:12 |
| +cap10morgan | so cache can't be a memory table | 02:12 |
| @preaction | that sucks | 02:12 |
| +cap10morgan | yeah... | 02:14 |
| +cap10morgan | huge key buffer it is! | 02:14 |
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| elnino | where in the world do I modify tinyMCE to add additional fonts? | 07:18 |
| elnino | which skin? | 07:19 |
| elnino | advanced | 07:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, in Class::MOP land, an attribute is a piece of data stuck inside the object? And accessors/mutators are methods which are generated to get/set attributes? | 20:22 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie moose-definition * r4cc1576 / lib/WebGUI/Definition.pm : Fix a POD type in Definition. - http://bit.ly/8neTEb | 22:32 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie moose-definition * ra1957b3 / lib/WebGUI/Definition/Meta/Property.pm : POD for Definition::Meta::Property. - http://bit.ly/5jgZbI | 22:32 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie moose-definition * r8491775 / lib/WebGUI/Definition/Meta/Property/Asset.pm : | 22:32 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: POD for Definition/Meta/Property/Asset.pm | 22:32 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Adopted the style of postfix POD when dealing with Moose specific | 22:32 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: code. It's much easier to read both. - http://bit.ly/68pFyH | 22:32 |
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| +cap10morgan | I have a 7.5.40 -> 7.7.27 upgrade that's crashing in the revert use packed step. can I just comment out addTemplatePacking and revertUsePacked in the 7.6.35 -> 7.7.17 upgrade file? | 22:31 |
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| +cap10morgan | oh, no, i can't do that | 22:44 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r43a6fa7 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm): Made Asset Manager search too sticky. - http://bit.ly/8nmWYc | 01:01 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5a25a44 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm): Made Asset Manager search too sticky. - http://bit.ly/5bupls | 01:01 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, folks | 19:23 |
| @Haaarg | morning | 19:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, have you reviewed the POD for glaring issues and outright lies? | 19:28 |
| @Haarg | seems accurate | 19:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I spent quite a bit of time at Wikipedia this weekend, my lack of formal CS training makes the Moose docs difficult to use | 19:37 |
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| @steveo_aa | I am working with a WebGUI::Asset::File::Image. My goal is to create an asset that is a child to the primary image so that it can be handled independently. This works fine 99% of the time, however if the primary image asset is still pending, addChild returns an error of "can't call method get on an undefined value line 660" which is a call to getParent within 'fixUrl' of the new asset. Any suggestions for getting core WG to complete this would be appreciat | 20:06 |
| @Haarg | line 660 of what file? | 20:08 |
| +perlDreamer | Asset.pm | 20:08 |
| @steveo_aa | Asset.pm | 20:08 |
| @steveo_aa | Can I pass a url to the addChild method to circumvent this? | 20:08 |
| +perlDreamer | seems like they should be created inside the same version tag, if the parent is pending | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | wasn't some code added to the core to handle that situation? | 20:09 |
| @steveo_aa | I don't know if the recent code handles getting a parent asset by newPending. | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | which version are you using? | 20:12 |
| @steveo_aa | 7.7.19 with 22 patches to AssetVersioning | 20:13 |
| +perlDreamer | backported patches, or custom patches, and do all the Asset tests pass? | 20:13 |
| @steveo_aa | backported patches, but apparently the test wasn't patched. | 20:15 |
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| @steveo_aa | I think part of my issue is that most of my assets are committed and the process works fine. However, I'm not sure how to instantiate a versioned asset so that I can perform a similar action on versioned/pending assets. | 20:17 |
| @steveo_aa | Since the result of the activity itself does not have to be approved. | 20:18 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Graham Knop moose-definition * rfdb72a6 / (3 files in 3 dirs): small adjustments - http://bit.ly/8vGsfC | 20:23 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Graham Knop moose-definition * rc7995b7 / (lib/WebGUI/Definition.pm lib/WebGUI/Definition/Asset.pm): Fix applying roles - http://bit.ly/6u1w2o | 20:23 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Graham Knop moose-definition * rbb26672 / (2 files in 2 dirs): adding some methods to role, other small cleanups - http://bit.ly/8cDGV4 | 20:23 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Graham Knop moose-definition * r2c7eb74 / (3 files in 3 dirs): change table to tableName in definition - http://bit.ly/5oRThx | 20:23 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Graham Knop moose-definition * rc2fca8e / t/Definition.t : some additional definition testing - http://bit.ly/4zkMCN | 20:23 |
| @steveo_aa | Ok, I've applied the patch set which includes the test updates for this particular issue and it passes. I'll retry my code. | 20:24 |
| @steveo_aa | Which fails because I'm not acquiring a versioned asset. | 20:24 |
| @steveo_aa | Should I not be using newPending? | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | all assets are versioned | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | newPending only retrieves the latest, committed version of an Asset. | 20:27 |
| +perlDreamer | but getParent uses newByDynamicClass in recent WebGUI's | 20:27 |
| +perlDreamer | so I'm not exactly sure what the problem is | 20:27 |
| @steveo_aa | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d2baf160a | 20:29 |
| @steveo_aa | newPending gets the latest version of an asset regardless of status | 20:29 |
| @steveo_aa | I assume 'pending' is an uncommitted status. | 20:30 |
| @steveo_aa | Experimented with passing a url of my own creation to addChild and have avoided the error message. | 20:34 |
| @steveo_aa | That seems like an inconsistency. Being able to addChild to a non-committed asset as long as you supply the url. fixUrl should probably be smarter. | 21:05 |
| @steveo_aa | Bug ticket submitted. | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | If that was true, wouldn't it be required that you commit a page before adding a sub-asset (Article) to it? | 21:17 |
| * perlDreamer steps out for some rope work | 21:39 | |
| +cap10morgan | in 7.7.27, when i try to access a function that needs admin access, webgui sends back a 401 Admin only response | 21:46 |
| +cap10morgan | which confuses the hell out of modproxy | 21:46 |
| +cap10morgan | and you just get a proxy error in your browser | 21:46 |
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| @Haarg | odd | 21:53 |
| @Haarg | that behavior hasn't changed as far as i know, but using a 401 in that case isn't really correct | 21:54 |
| +cap10morgan | it's also strange because I *am* the admin | 21:54 |
| +cap10morgan | it looks like the listLDAPLinks op is doing this on all my sites | 21:55 |
| +cap10morgan | in 7.7.27 | 21:55 |
| +cap10morgan | i'll open a bug report | 21:55 |
| +cap10morgan | it then sends the "admins only" response page back too | 21:58 |
| +cap10morgan | which is probably what's confusing the proxy | 21:58 |
| +cap10morgan | since there shouldn't be any response after a 401, right? | 21:58 |
| @Haarg | sending back html or anything else with a 401 is fine | 21:59 |
| @Haarg | what version of apache are you using? | 22:00 |
| +cap10morgan | oh ok | 22:01 |
| +cap10morgan | 2.2 | 22:01 |
| +cap10morgan | this is coming from the apache bundled w/ the wre 0.9.3 | 22:01 |
| @Haarg | i'll have to test that out when i get a chance. i wouldn't expect modproxy to barf on that even though we aren't following the http spec | 22:02 |
| +cap10morgan | yeah, weird. i get "invalid response from an upstream server" | 22:02 |
| @Haarg | is this somewhere you can mess with the code? you could try changing it to a 403 error | 22:03 |
| +cap10morgan | i don't even know why / where the code is generating an error | 22:03 |
| +cap10morgan | since i am the admin | 22:04 |
| @Haarg | lib/WebGUI/Session/Privilege.pm line 61 | 22:04 |
| +cap10morgan | that's half the bug right there | 22:04 |
| @Haarg | yeah, seems like two issues | 22:04 |
| +cap10morgan | yep | 22:04 |
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| @Haarg | cap10morgan, what is the full version of apache you are using? i don't remember what is in the wre 0.9.3. | 22:12 |
| @Haarg | i just tested with 2.2.11 (wre 0.9.1) and the 401 error worked fine any modproxy just passed it on. so unless there is something different about how your version of apache is acting there is something going on elsewhere. | 22:13 |
| +cap10morgan | well, ok, it's fine if we assume the 401 is on my end for now | 22:14 |
| +cap10morgan | mainly i'd like to see and edit my ldap connections :) | 22:14 |
| +cap10morgan | i'm not seeing anything readily at hand that tells me the full version of apache in 0.9.3 | 22:14 |
| @Haarg | /data/wre/prereqs/bin/httpd -V | 22:15 |
| +cap10morgan | 2.2.11 | 22:15 |
| @Haarg | so the same build i have | 22:16 |
| +cap10morgan | but the modproxy side isn't a wre build | 22:16 |
| +cap10morgan | so it could be something there, or an interaction bug | 22:16 |
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| @preaction | SynQ: do you have an e-mail address you prefer? need to send you something | 22:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | there has to be a way to get sleep N out of the tests | 23:05 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra276c34 / (5 files in 5 dirs): | 23:09 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Fix bug #11286: Tell the difference between end of Workflow, and unable to load WorkflowActivity. | 23:09 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Tests are added for new methods. The changes to Workflow::Instance->run are peripherally | 23:09 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: tested in Workflow Activity tests. - http://bit.ly/6X0oO8 | 23:09 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r89ea0e7 / t/Workflow/Activity/ArchiveOldStories.t : use addToCleanup instead of an END block. - http://bit.ly/4smybL | 23:09 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc845849 / (5 files in 5 dirs): | 23:09 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Fix bug #11286: Tell the difference between end of Workflow, and unable to load WorkflowActivity. | 23:09 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Tests are added for new methods. The changes to Workflow::Instance->run are peripherally | 23:09 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: tested in Workflow Activity tests. - http://bit.ly/4HFhSo | 23:09 |
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| SynQ | preaction: thanks for the mail | 01:09 |
| SynQ | I'lll sleep on it :) | 01:09 |
| SynQ | nite | 01:09 |
| @preaction | night | 01:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan, on a source install of wG 7.7.28 the LDAP links are working fine. As Admin, I get to the list links screen. | 01:57 |
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| +cap10morgan | well, crap. | 01:58 |
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| +cap10morgan | i'm not seeing anything in the error log | 01:58 |
| +cap10morgan | no idea how to debug this. | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | have you checked the settings? | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | which Group is set to Admin LDAP links? | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | and make sure Admin is in that group | 01:59 |
| +cap10morgan | Admins | 01:59 |
| +cap10morgan | it is | 01:59 |
| +cap10morgan | so is one other account that doesn't work | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Group lookups are cached | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | what happens if you flush the cache, and try again? | 02:00 |
| +cap10morgan | i deleted the cache not long ago | 02:02 |
| +cap10morgan | i can try again... | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | are you running file, or DB cache? | 02:02 |
| +cap10morgan | DB | 02:03 |
| +cap10morgan | same problem w/ emptied cache | 02:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | on the WRE, something interesting happened | 02:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | WebGUI ships with a default, busted LDAP link, which is required for other things like Auth to work right. | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | the list of LDAP links now includes a status line, which checks each link to see if you can bind to it | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | the bind takes a very, very long time (because it will never occur), and modproxy times out | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | but I didn't get any permission denied errors | 02:14 |
| +cap10morgan | perlDreamer: you're a genius | 02:15 |
| +cap10morgan | when i delete that busted link from the DB, the page loads instantly | 02:15 |
| +cap10morgan | i think that's exactly what's happening here | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | but I thought you were getting "Permission denied"? | 02:15 |
| +cap10morgan | i was getting "401 Admin only" when i telnet'ed to the port and accessed it | 02:15 |
| +cap10morgan | in my web browser, i only ever saw, "proxy error" | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | that's because your telnet session has no session variables, so you're a Visitor | 02:16 |
| +cap10morgan | yep | 02:16 |
| +cap10morgan | that's true | 02:16 |
| +cap10morgan | :) | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | how do we tell Net::LDAP not to sit and spin forever? | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | also, w.r.t deleting that link, there's a setting somewhere that makes it the Default LDAP Link | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | if you delete the default LDAP link, you should reset the Default LDAP Link as well, otherwise something else will be busted. | 02:18 |
| +cap10morgan | i updated the bug report | 02:18 |
| +cap10morgan | i'll be adding a new, legit, default link | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I think, with all this, that I absolutely despise LDAP more than Windows | 02:33 |
| +cap10morgan | LDAP is the most ridiculously over-engineered tech i've ever encountered | 02:37 |
| +cap10morgan | i would murder it if it were a person | 02:37 |
| +cap10morgan | it's a friggin directory, for cryin' out loud. key = value, lather, rinse, repeat. | 02:37 |
| mducharme1 | heh | 02:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | and WebGUI's implementation of it doesn't help. In the past, everything was wrapped. It should be subclassed and extended where necessary. | 02:40 |
| mducharme | just as an idea, why don't you do a pre-check to see if there is even something listening on that ip, port 389 | 02:44 |
| mducharme | you can just use a telnet lib for that.. if something picks up, then you know ldap is running, if a connection is not established, then it is down | 02:44 |
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| @preaction | good or bad: my CHI version of WebGUI::Cache is faster than the original version (even when using memcached. when using fastmmap it's even faster) | 03:59 |
| @preaction | by how much? how about 200%? | 03:59 |
| +perlDreamer | how does it compare to wg8 caching? | 04:01 |
| @preaction | it also has only 1/10th the amount of code | 04:01 |
| @preaction | that's what i'm comparing it with | 04:01 |
| @preaction | i'm using a real-world comparison: group lookups from the alumni site | 04:01 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a good cache test | 04:06 |
| +perlDreamer | your plugin has 1/10th the code, or the combo of CHI + your code has 1/10th the code? | 04:07 |
| @preaction | my plugin | 04:07 |
| @preaction | but the code in CHI is not my responsibility | 04:08 |
| @preaction | maybe i should stop being all panicky before i get reproducable results | 04:10 |
| +perlDreamer | why should you be panicky? | 04:12 |
| +perlDreamer | MWG is your babe | 04:12 |
| +perlDreamer | besides, that's my gig | 04:13 |
| +perlDreamer | _I_ am supposed to get panicky before getting reproducible results | 04:13 |
| +perlDreamer | there isn't room for two of us to do that | 04:14 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7261ecd / (4 files in 4 dirs): Fix an infinite loop in getting LDAP error messages. Fixes bug #11296 - http://bit.ly/5gCVeD | 04:43 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rf769007 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Fix an infinite loop in getting LDAP error messages. Fixes bug #11296 - http://bit.ly/4XAoOn | 04:43 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r93cf8f6 / lib/WebGUI/LDAPLink.pm : Remove abbreviated timeout added for testing/debugging. - http://bit.ly/4x1yYc | 04:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan, one other thing to consider | 05:41 |
| +perlDreamer | the default LDAP bind timeout is 120 seconds | 05:41 |
| +perlDreamer | and WebGUI and Apache won't wait that long | 05:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | time for old men to go to bed | 08:16 |
| +perlDreamer | 'night, all | 08:16 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 16:11 |
| SquOnk | Looking for opinions | 16:11 |
| SquOnk | I'm going to use WebGUI to handle my personal page. Most of it will be plain blog articles both personal and academic (the courses I teach at the local university) | 16:13 |
| SquOnk | Now, I want to publish _grades_ there. Grading rules are quite specific to this University, and rules vary depending on the specific course. | 16:13 |
| SquOnk | For instance: | 16:13 |
| SquOnk | I teach a course which has 1-100 marks, but then I have to translate that to a scale of 1-5 using percentages. | 16:14 |
| SquOnk | Marks can be spread any way I see fit, like: 30 marks, 30 marks and 40 marks spread over three tests. | 16:14 |
| SquOnk | Or I could go, 30, 20, 20, 30... | 16:14 |
| SquOnk | But then, there are other courses where I can only give up to 30 marks, the 70 remaining ones are "out of my jurisdiction" so I don't do the final translation to the 1-5 scale. | 16:15 |
| SquOnk | I must keep progressive grading at all times. This means the grading page has to do the running total and the current 1-5 translation at all times. | 16:16 |
| SquOnk | I also must mark pending grades (like when a student is sick or otherwise unable to attend a test or submit an assignment) | 16:17 |
| SquOnk | Does that sound as a useful general Asset? "Grading Asset" | 16:17 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hey mr patspam | 17:29 |
| +patspam | hey hey! | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's weird to see you up at these hours =) | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | are you already used to the state? | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | s | 17:29 |
| +patspam | still adjusting my english | 17:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | hehe | 17:30 |
| +patspam | every now and then i say something and people look at me funny | 17:30 |
| +patspam | for example, "entree" in an american restaurant means the main course | 17:32 |
| Socrates | :P | 17:32 |
| +patspam | even in french restaurants | 17:32 |
| Socrates | patspam: lol | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | weird | 17:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | Thinkinghow big the main courses would be in French restaurants over there scares me a bit | 17:35 |
| +patspam | heh yeah, you never go home hungry | 17:35 |
| +patspam | I'm turning into fatspam | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | That is | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | IF you live to go home anyway | 17:35 |
| +patspam | hehe | 17:36 |
| Socrates | patspam: do you live in ny city? or suburbs? | 17:53 |
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| +patspam | currently on long island, but moving to brooklyn this weekend | 17:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, folks! | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | hi pd! | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, how you doing, man? | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | haven't seen you in a long time | 18:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 18:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | I've been busy with my char magick project | 18:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | and some other stuff | 18:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that means I haven't seen you in a long time as well | 18:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | everything ok? | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Everything is okay | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | Kathy is in nursing school | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | Boys are doing well | 18:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | good | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | The rate of bug fixing exceeds the rate of bug creation in WebGUI | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I switched from Fedora to Ubuntu | 18:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | finally | 18:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | speaking about quick bug fixers | 18:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | those guys from imagemagick are also pretty quick in respomnding | 18:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://www.imagemagick.org/discourse-server/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15175 | 18:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | It took them less than 4 hours to respond and reproduce | 18:48 |
| @preaction | to be fair, you posted a very detailed bug report | 18:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | sure | 18:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | but still | 18:49 |
| @preaction | yeah, they could've just sat on it | 18:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | SInce I found mentions of the bug in IM forum posts more than a year old | 18:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | I figured this would take forever | 18:50 |
| @preaction | yeah, but did anyone else take the triage as far as you did? | 18:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://studio.imagemagick.org/pipermail/magick-users/2008-March/020888.html | 18:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | bu then again, that was posted to a user list | 18:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | not to the bug forum thingy they have | 18:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | anyway, all I wanted to say was that I was happily surprised | 18:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, can I put a bug in your ear about the VIES retry workflow? | 18:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes you can | 18:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | sorry I still haven't finished that thing | 18:57 |
| +perlDreamer | iirc, it's all done, just some testing hangups | 18:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 18:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | well the big hangup being that it was on my other laptop, and then I couldn't find it my git repo anymore, and then finding it agian but having other urgent stuff to do and then forgetting about it alltogether, getting remineded by you forgetting about it etc etc etc | 19:00 |
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| +reallyBigNag | :) | 19:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 19:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's okay | 19:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | I told you to spam me about it | 19:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | but you didn't =) | 19:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, we only have a handful of bugs right now, so the odds of being able to declare 7.8 stable, and start the branch for 7.9, are good | 19:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok, when wil you branch? | 19:07 |
| @preaction | as soon as 7.8 is declared stable | 19:07 |
| @preaction | which is as soon as we get an RC that doesn't have more bugs than the previous RC | 19:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes, but that will not be before the weekend? | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 19:08 |
| @preaction | no | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | every other Tuesday | 19:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah i know | 19:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | just checking | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | so, one week from today is the next release of 7.8 | 19:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok, i'll finish it before then then | 19:09 |
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| @preaction | http://gist.github.com/251815 <- WebGUI 8's caching is BARELY better than no caching at all | 19:18 |
| @preaction | the CHI memcached driver is faster than ours | 19:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | those numbers don't jive with JT's earlier data | 19:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | JT probably looked angry at the benchmark | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | with a raised eyebrow :) | 19:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | indeed, his 2009 look =) | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | hang on, preaction, I may have misspoke. There's no WebGUI 7 column in there | 19:21 |
| @preaction | yeah, there isn't the old caching in there at all | 19:22 |
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| @preaction | but i suppose i should try it somehow | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | and this is the Alumni groups caching setup? | 19:23 |
| @preaction | yes | 19:23 |
| @preaction | 500,000 groupings, 60,000 users. a random sampling of 100 users and 10 groups, | 19:24 |
| @preaction | http://gist.github.com/251823 <- this is the script i'm using | 19:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | hard to argue with a 2X improvement :) | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | how does it do on content caching? | 19:33 |
| @preaction | don't know | 19:34 |
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| @preaction | http://gist.github.com/251833 <- this meshes even worse with JT's old numbers | 19:41 |
| @preaction | WebGUI DB and WebGUI File are the old File and DB backed caches | 19:41 |
| @preaction | hm... mysql could be caching the user/group lookups | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | until we see the case where wg8 memcached is faster than wg7, the data is suspect | 19:43 |
| @preaction | why isn't JT's data suspect? | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | it is, too | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | they don't agree | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | so they are either testing different things | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | or were run on substantially different setup | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | or something else | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe his original testing stuff in in the memcached branch? | 19:45 |
| @preaction | ah, there. he wasn't testing using any part of the WebGUI API | 19:49 |
| @preaction | so, not testing real usage | 19:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | where's the script? | 19:50 |
| @preaction | his script? dunno. i just made some adjustments and saw his results | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | ah | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | so the caching is natively faster, but the caching APIs are different | 19:51 |
| @preaction | http://gist.github.com/251850 <- these results | 19:51 |
| @preaction | no, i made a WebGUI::CHI that copies WebGUI::Cache's API | 19:52 |
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| @preaction | this is just testing set() | 19:53 |
| @preaction | which is why Null is the fastest (it doesn't do anything) | 19:53 |
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| @preaction | and here is the inherent problem with caching: Every site has a different "fastest cache" | 19:54 |
| @preaction | we simply cannot do this silver-bullet crap | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | how about if you put it all into a repo, and asked lots of people to run a non-destructive benchmark? | 19:56 |
| @preaction | but if we choose one solution, anyone who had a dissenting opinion of "fastest" would be left in the cold | 19:57 |
| @preaction | okay, i'll add it to a repo and see what happens | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | that's your argument for using CHI? | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI has always pointed itself at good performance on a broad market, so a single solution seems best to me | 19:59 |
| ckotil | have a tuneable cache based on results from the test | 20:00 |
| @preaction | that's my argument for CHI, it has to be tuneable and configurable. | 20:01 |
| @preaction | i want to know: where is PB going to get the extra RAM for memcached on our shared-host servers? | 20:01 |
| @preaction | that's what started this whole damn thing... | 20:01 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Doug Bell 8-cache-bench * r6eb4679 / README : added readme - http://bit.ly/6HzNbR | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll try running that after gym/lunch/kids pick-up | 20:15 |
| +perlDreamer | which means about 3:00pm PST | 20:15 |
| +perlDreamer | You should try to muscle as many PB people to do it | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | and then we put a notice out on the dev list | 20:16 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Doug Bell 8-cache-bench * r706c827 / sbin/benchCache.pl : modified benchmark to test more - http://bit.ly/6hcjYd | 20:35 |
| SquOnk | re | 20:37 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Doug Bell 8-cache-bench * r181f2d4 / README : updated readme - http://bit.ly/8u048P | 20:39 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Is 7.7.28 coming out tonight/tomorrow? | 20:42 |
| @preaction | tonight | 20:43 |
| SquOnk | Good | 20:43 |
| SquOnk | Say I have an old 7.5.40 installation and need to upgrade to 7.7.something... | 20:43 |
| SquOnk | ...can I run the 7.5.40-7.6.whatever upgrade script under the 7.7 codebase? | 20:43 |
| @preaction | no | 20:44 |
| @preaction | you need to be at the 7.6 codebase | 20:44 |
| SquOnk | preaction: So, I actually need to install 7.6 first. | 20:44 |
| @preaction | yeah | 20:44 |
| SquOnk | Hmmm | 20:45 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: No luck on the SynCont UTF-8 bug, right? | 20:46 |
| SquOnk | Good news in the Debian front. | 20:48 |
| SquOnk | Testing (soon to be Squeezy) had webgui 7.5.40... | 20:49 |
| SquOnk | ...this was so because YUI wasn't being upgraded because moodle wasn't cooperating... | 20:49 |
| SquOnk | ...someone made moodle cooperate with the latest YUI, so moodle is moving on to testing tomorrow and webgui 7.7 will too. | 20:50 |
| @preaction | sweet | 20:50 |
| SquOnk | That means Debian Squeezy should have no less than the latest 7.7 and probably 7.8 | 20:50 |
| SquOnk | My question regarding upgrades has to do with that. Since Squeezy is going to have, say, 7.8, I'm trying to figure out how to help a user move from Squeezy to Squeezy+1 | 20:51 |
| SquOnk | Say Squeezy+1 carries webgui-7.9. | 20:51 |
| SquOnk | To move from 7.7 to 7.9 I would need to have the 7.8 codebase, and that's not gonna happen. | 20:51 |
| @preaction | you can't have the .deb upgrade pull a 7.8 to use to upgrade with? | 20:52 |
| SquOnk | preaction: Upgrades are handled within the package. | 20:52 |
| SquOnk | preaction: That means the "new" package must have everything needed to upgrade from the "old" package. | 20:53 |
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| SquOnk | preaction: That's why I asked whether or not I could run the 7.5->7.6 upgrade using the 7.7 codebase. | 20:53 |
| SquOnk | preaction: Sticking a script in the "new" package is one thing. Having to stick a _whole_ codebase is a no no. | 20:54 |
| @preaction | include a patch that will change it from 7.7 to 7.8? | 20:54 |
| SquOnk | preaction: That would work. | 20:54 |
| @preaction | i mean, it'll be a big patch, and if they did anything stupid it will not apply cleanly, but it might work | 20:55 |
| SquOnk | preaction: I follow you, sure. I have to work out the details, anyway. | 20:55 |
| SquOnk | preaction: I'm also thinking about having webgui as a volatile package. The official distro (the "CDs" have, say, webgui-7.7.28)... | 20:56 |
| SquOnk | preaction: ...but users would point to the volatile repository, where each week we have the next stable release, so production users can be kept up to date, barring heavy changes in dependencies. | 20:56 |
| SquOnk | Well, got to go. BBL | 20:57 |
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| SDuensin | Anyone else have an issue where a newly uploaded file (into a folder via filepile) doesn't have the permissions (or something) correct? ... | 22:39 |
| SDuensin | I uploaded a new file into a folder and no user could see it. The permissions were correct. After I re-committed it (without making any changes to it), it showed up... | 22:40 |
| SDuensin | Today, I uploaded a new version of the same file by editing the existing one. For me, as an admin, I get the new date. If I log out, I get the old one. Recommitting this file didn't seem to do anything. | 22:41 |
| @Haarg | nobody could see the asset or the actual file? | 22:41 |
| SDuensin | The asset. | 22:41 |
| SDuensin | It wasn't in the list of files the folder asset displayed. | 22:41 |
| @Haarg | check the logs? | 22:41 |
| SDuensin | Didn't see anything odd. | 22:42 |
| SDuensin | The file in question is at the very bottom of this page. http://www.jaegertech.net/software/singe What date do you see? 12/4 or 12/8? | 22:42 |
| SDuensin | Gonna dump cache and see what that does. | 22:42 |
| SDuensin | Ah! Now I have 12/8. Dumping the WebGUI cache fixed it. Weird. Never had that before. | 22:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | snippet caching. Nasty problem | 23:41 |
| +patspam | woot, chrome for linux, and an ad-blocking plugin! | 23:41 |
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| +patspam | preaction: is 8-cache-bench missing WebGUI::Cache::Database? | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | why doesn't mysql know what I mean when I type select count(*) form MatrixListing_rating; | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I mean really, would it cost that much C code to make form an alias for from when used before a known table name? | 23:49 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, found an issue with getIsa | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | just 1? cool | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | what is it? | 23:53 |
| @Haarg | it calls newByDynamic class but doesn't | 23:54 |
| @Haarg | deal with pending assets | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | you think it should use newPending instead? | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | wait | 23:54 |
| @Haarg | might need an additional parameter | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | revisionDate, or className? | 23:55 |
| @Haarg | a parameter specifying if it should include pending assets | 23:55 |
| @preaction | patspam: it shouldn't be, but i'll check | 23:55 |
| +patspam | ack WebGUI::Cache::Database /data/WebGUI/lib says no | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: where is the bug occurring? | 23:57 |
| @Haarg | the last upgrade on dusk failed | 23:57 |
| @Haarg | on the second CS workflow fix step | 23:58 |
| @preaction | patspam: it's showing as committed on my box, but i can give you the file one sec | 23:58 |
| +patspam | weird, it's there on github too | 23:59 |
| @preaction | yeah, that's what i was just bout to show ;) | 23:59 |
| +patspam | ok, must be user error | 23:59 |
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| +patspam | ha, "wgd reset --build" deleted them | 00:01 |
| @preaction | the upgrade script probably | 00:01 |
| +patspam | so should i not run the 8.0.0 upgrade script? it also drops the cache table | 00:06 |
| @preaction | probably, or just remove the deleting of the old stuffs | 00:07 |
| @preaction | i don't know, i think my DB is still 7.x | 00:07 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r6d381a5 / (sbin/preload.perl lib/WebGUI/PerformanceProfiler.pm): remove WebGUI::PerformanceProfiler - http://bit.ly/7WRW5z | 00:24 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5153d82 / lib/WebGUI/LDAPLink.pm : Remove abbreviated timeout for testing. - http://bit.ly/8OmOuF | 00:39 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd1e6f30 / (5 files in 5 dirs): | 00:39 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Fix a bug where ratings were allowed to be set with less than 10 votes. Fixes bug #11294 | 00:39 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: This helps fix people trying to game the system. - http://bit.ly/8Hroeh | 00:39 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rd2e9b94 / (5 files in 5 dirs): | 00:40 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Fix a bug where ratings were allowed to be set with less than 10 votes. Fixes bug #11294 | 00:40 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: This helps fix people trying to game the system. - http://bit.ly/7FHe78 | 00:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | note to the wiser, plugging your speakers into the headphone jack will not record, nor produce sound. | 01:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam++ | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam, you might want to edit that post, since it was munged in the email | 02:24 |
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| +patspam | euch, i see what you mean | 02:30 |
| * perlDreamer switches into Daddy mode. | 02:31 | |
| +perlDreamer | Be back around 6:00pm PST for further discussions | 02:31 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rd107d57 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/Asset.t): | 03:24 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: fix: getIsa returns undef for pending assets. | 03:24 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Add a new option flag to getIsa, called returnAll. If returnAll = 1, then | 03:24 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: assets are returned regardless of status. Otherwise, getIsa will only | 03:24 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: return committed assets. - http://bit.ly/6kneMC | 03:24 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb479ddc / (4 files): Change upgrade subs to use returnAll with getIsa. - http://bit.ly/79j9et | 03:26 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r27a7c09 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/Asset.t): | 03:27 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: fix: getIsa returns undef for pending assets. | 03:27 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Add a new option flag to getIsa, called returnAll. If returnAll = 1, then | 03:27 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: assets are returned regardless of status. Otherwise, getIsa will only | 03:27 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: return committed assets. - http://bit.ly/8Jsnov | 03:27 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3cb7970 / (4 files): Change all upgrade subs to use returnAll with getIsa - http://bit.ly/61BHf6 | 03:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | tavisto, need some help | 04:24 |
| +perlDreamer | where can I find that text that you mentioned might be truncated? | 04:24 |
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| @tavisto | i posted that to a bug report brotha! | 04:27 |
| +perlDreamer | eeencorrrect, sir! | 04:28 |
| @tavisto | huh? | 04:28 |
| +perlDreamer | Matrix has many, many screens | 04:28 |
| +perlDreamer | It took about 10 minutes to find te wonky one | 04:29 |
| @tavisto | oh i c | 04:29 |
| @tavisto | darn i was hoping it would take u longer | 04:30 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto: there's no bug posted about checkboxes clicked or not | 04:50 |
| @tavisto | yeah we didn't decide what we wanted to do with that | 04:51 |
| @tavisto | previously I thought it was a good idea to have any search result checked. However, you brought up some points and I'm not sure now | 04:51 |
| @tavisto | the max compare is 10 products so is it better to force people to uncheck more than 10 items (sometimes) or have to manually check up to 10 products each time | 04:52 |
| @tavisto | the other thing I don't like is that if products set all of their requirements to blank, they come up in the initial search. However, I think I'm just going to go in and change them so they aren't blank across the board | 04:53 |
| +perlDreamer | man people are gaming CMS Matrix hard! | 04:57 |
| * perlDreamer suggests asking Kristi about check boxes and usability | 04:57 | |
| +perlDreamer | she always has a good opinion on stuff like that | 04:57 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r0516b7c / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix looping construct in NotifyAboutLowStock activity. Fix tests. - http://bit.ly/5Tp7cq | 05:00 |
| @tavisto | absolutely | 05:01 |
| @tavisto | which shows the level of interest there is in vendors getting visibility.. and why I'm taking that and monetizing it | 05:01 |
| @tavisto | I'll ask Kristi about it. I still think I lean towards search results being clicked for easy compare | 05:09 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * raf98aef / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.7.28 release. - http://bit.ly/4VOtt6 | 05:16 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | morning | 16:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | sortof | 16:02 |
| SDuensin | Kinda | 16:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | =) | 16:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | 26784 martin 25 0 130m 39m 9m R 100 7.6 195:03.92 perl | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | The cache bench sure is taking long | 17:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | but this is using 2000 repeats | 17:28 |
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| +patspam | MrHairgrease: I dropped it back down to 100 repeats for my production site | 18:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | to late | 18:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | it already finished | 18:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | typing the post as we speak | 18:01 |
| +patspam | awesome! | 18:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | I think the process time was about 3h | 18:02 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but the total running time was I think 5h or so | 18:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | lot's of (prolly) I/O waiting | 18:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://www.webgui.org/uploads/68/c0/68c0afffbe50641eb0d4c3969ed95017/bench_results.txt | 18:03 |
| +patspam | MrHairgrease++ | 18:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | there's a very distinct outcome for repeats=200 and repeats=100 | 18:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | Also I'm not convinced this benchmark is entirely honest | 18:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | since memcached is a daemon and thus more webgui (modperl) instances can connect to the same cache. | 18:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | Here it's the same script all the time | 18:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | and I'm not sure if you can, for instance, share a FastMmap cache between modperl instances | 18:09 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ah | 18:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | did what I wrote about the fairness of the benchmark just before the netsplit come through? | 18:17 |
| @Haarg | i saw it | 18:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:20 |
| @Haarg | it's not entirely fair, but still worth having numbers for | 18:20 |
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| @Haarg | with chi for example, you can have multi-level caching | 18:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | I didn't say is was meaningless | 18:21 |
| @Haarg | we still want to go with memcached | 18:21 |
| @Haarg | but given the results we've seen so far, it looks like going with CHI would be a good idea as well | 18:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | yup | 18:23 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rbab31b0 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.7.29 development cycle. - http://bit.ly/5rkq2e | 20:05 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc0a9358 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm : Prevent statistics with a count of less than 10 from being listed in the worst list. - http://bit.ly/7BJsEO | 20:18 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf2b7762 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.8.7-7.8.8.pl : Do not remove ratings, just prevent them from being displayed in the best/worst list. - http://bit.ly/5ZYzo6 | 20:40 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfc4dca6 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/MatrixListing.pm : Calculate ratings, even is the count is less than 10. - http://bit.ly/5vVfDw | 20:45 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rdda44a4 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm : Prevent statistics with a count of less than 10 from being listed in the worst list. - http://bit.ly/6XvAb2 | 20:45 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r343325f / lib/WebGUI/Asset/MatrixListing.pm : Calculate ratings, even is the count is less than 10. - http://bit.ly/6zIVrj | 20:45 |
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| dionak | quick question. does the results of a sql report get added to a site's index? thinking no... | 23:20 |
| @Haarg | the results do not get indexed | 23:21 |
| dionak | thanks, Haarg | 23:23 |
| dionak | i need to add some custom data to the site's index from a Thing. Would the easiest way be to write a custom search.pl and run it periodically? The data won't change often. | 23:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | sure, or some kind of Workflow that gets triggered when the Thing's in the Thingy get updated | 23:51 |
| dionak | good idea. | 23:57 |
| dionak | but i don't think Thingy can trigger a workflow | 23:58 |
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| dionak | oh, i see the NotifyAboutThing workflow that answers my questions | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Thing has add, edit and delete workflows which trigger on Thingy actions | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Yup! That's the one :) | 00:06 |
| dionak | thanks, pd | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | 100K SQL writes takes a long time | 00:24 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc8d6f12 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Add conditional display code to default matrix main template. Fixes bug #11299 - http://bit.ly/5sISq6 | 01:21 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r921027c / (2 files in 2 dirs): Add conditional title display code to the default main Matrix template. Fixes bug #11299. - http://bit.ly/64oYZX | 01:21 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rd9b37a2 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Recalculate Matrix Listing ratings erased in the 7.7.28 upgrade. Fixes bug #13000. - http://bit.ly/6VXOpg | 01:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | dinner time, later guys! | 03:52 |
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| _lsr | does anyone have any ideas on why https wouldn't be working on my dev machine after adding a new site? | 09:07 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | In bash, how do I use sudo to do more than 1 command at a time? | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | like sudo echo '' > /var/log/webgui.log; sudo echo '' > /var/log/apache2/error.log | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | do I use parens, quotes? | 19:52 |
| SDuensin | I think it's parens | 20:02 |
| SDuensin | sudo (someCrap; otherCrap) | 20:02 |
| hudsong123 | Hello. Would somebody have a few minutes to help me figure out how to tie in the Login/Account Status pages with the rest of my sites theme? | 20:02 |
| SDuensin | Hi hudsong123 | 20:03 |
| hudsong123 | hello | 20:03 |
| SDuensin | Did you set them to use your theme in the settings? | 20:03 |
| hudsong123 | Under setting, Authentication. | 20:03 |
| hudsong123 | I can't find how to set the template | 20:04 |
| SDuensin | Let me find what it's called. | 20:04 |
| hudsong123 | I've created my own template for Login Template but all that gives me access to is the content area, not the topbar/footer/layout I have on the rest of the site | 20:04 |
| SDuensin | Right. That's your site's style... | 20:05 |
| SDuensin | Go to: Admin Console->Settings->UI Tab. | 20:05 |
| SDuensin | Is "User Function Style" set to your site style? | 20:05 |
| hudsong123 | Awesome! | 20:06 |
| SDuensin | :-) | 20:06 |
| hudsong123 | Thanks for the help and saving me some hours this afternoon. | 20:06 |
| SDuensin | My pleasure. | 20:06 |
| * SDuensin is WebGUI's #1 fan. :-) | 20:06 | |
| * perlDreamer goes to the gym | 20:11 | |
| SDuensin | Go for me, too, perlDreamer. Thanks. | 20:11 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4b65b44 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm): Matrix search should be AND based, not OR. Fixes bug #11301 - http://bit.ly/91REOe | 22:58 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r3c3d089 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm): Matrix search should be AND based, not OR. Fixes bug #11301 - http://bit.ly/4O3j1V | 22:58 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf0b0179 / (4 files in 3 dirs): Make the warnings messages from the Matrix about having too many products to compare better. Fixes bug #11301 - http://bit.ly/7mxmFT | 23:59 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * red79c7f / (4 files in 3 dirs): Make the warnings messages from the Matrix about having too many products to compare better. Fixes bug #11301 - http://bit.ly/6ZOx8G | 23:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, in WebGUI::Definition::Role::Object->get, should it check ->has instead of ->can, for attributes versus methods? | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I have them all confused again | 01:35 |
| @Haarg | you are probably correct | 01:42 |
| @Haarg | but it wouldn't be ->has | 01:42 |
| @Haarg | it would be ->meta->find_attribute_by_name | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | ugh. I can see why you might have chosen ->can over that | 01:44 |
| @Haarg | same with set | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | also, is it ->meta->get_all_properties, or ->meta->get_all_attributes? | 01:45 |
| @Haarg | get_all_properties | 01:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I can't find that on google, or with ack | 01:46 |
| +perlDreamer | in the moose_definition branch | 01:46 |
| @Haarg | oop | 01:47 |
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| @Haarg | get_property_list i guess | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll write some tests after I make these changes, just to double check that I'm not breaking things badly | 01:47 |
| @Haarg | in WebGUI::Definition::Meta::Class, get_property_list should be changed to just be a method instead of an attribute | 01:49 |
| @Haarg | but that shouldn't impact the use of it | 01:49 |
| +perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/253832 ? | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | in ->set, if a key does not exist, it returns out of the sub. Asset->update will skip keys that are not defined in the definition. | 01:52 |
| @Haarg | gist looks fine | 01:54 |
| @Haarg | should be next unless ... | 01:55 |
| @Haarg | in ->set | 01:55 |
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| fokat | Hi guys. Quick question... | 02:29 |
| fokat | dpkg -l | egrep webgui | 02:29 |
| fokat | ii webgui 7.6.35.2-2 | 02:29 |
| fokat | I'm trying to do a pass thru to a cgi-bin directory. WebGUI is at / | 02:29 |
| fokat | My cgi bin is at /cgi-bin/ | 02:30 |
| fokat | I can GET /cgi-bin/foo, but the scripts are not getting executed. I am getting the script's source, which tells me that the cgi handler is not being invoked. | 02:30 |
| @preaction | did you AddHandler cgi-script .cgi .pl? | 02:31 |
| fokat | at some point. makes no difference. | 02:31 |
| @preaction | you're on debian, did you a2enmod cgi? | 02:31 |
| fokat | yes. It is enabled. | 02:31 |
| @preaction | is there a passthru configured in WebGUI config file? | 02:32 |
| fokat | yes. | 02:32 |
| fokat | { | 02:32 |
| fokat | "^/cgi-bin/" : "WebGUI::URL::PassThru" | 02:32 |
| fokat | }, | 02:32 |
| @preaction | don't paste | 02:32 |
| fokat | Also tested without the final / | 02:32 |
| fokat | no difference. | 02:32 |
| @preaction | did you RemoveHandler WebGUI in the <Location /cgi-bin> (or <Directory, whichever) | 02:32 |
| fokat | Nope. Will try that. | 02:33 |
| @preaction | are you using ScriptAlias? | 02:33 |
| fokat | Yes. | 02:33 |
| fokat | ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ | 02:33 |
| @preaction | ew | 02:33 |
| @preaction | use a plain Alias and a <Directory /usr/lib/cgi-bin>SetHandler cgi-script</Directory> | 02:34 |
| @preaction | don't forget "Order allow,deny" and "Allow from all" | 02:34 |
| @preaction | but since you're seeing the CGI source, you've configured WebGUI correctly | 02:34 |
| fokat | thats what I thought, yes. | 02:35 |
| fokat | WIll try that and report back | 02:36 |
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| fokat | I have this code in the virtualhost | 02:39 |
| fokat | Alias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ | 02:39 |
| fokat | <Directory /usr/lib/cgi-bin/> | 02:39 |
| fokat | SetHandler cgi-script | 02:39 |
| fokat | Order allow,deny | 02:39 |
| fokat | Allow from all | 02:39 |
| fokat | </Directory> | 02:39 |
| fokat | And I still see the script's source... | 02:39 |
| @preaction | you pasted again | 02:40 |
| @preaction | did you do Options +ExecCGI? | 02:40 |
| * perlDreamer has to run to Batteries Plus to get a replacement battery for the phone backup | 02:40 | |
| +perlDreamer | bbialw | 02:40 |
| fokat | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d2d5637da has my config. | 02:41 |
| fokat | preaction: Will add +ExecCGI now and see. But tried with and w/o the plus | 02:41 |
| fokat | tested with Options ExecCGI, same behavior | 02:43 |
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| @preaction | fokat: why do you have two of the same <Directory> blocks? | 02:44 |
| @preaction | anything in the error log? you are restarting apache after each change, correct? | 02:45 |
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| fokat | preaction: SquOnk found out that if the script is not called .pl, it works. | 02:46 |
| fokat | I will simply rename my scripts, but this is quite weird... | 02:47 |
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| SquOnk | preaction: It's working | 03:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I just pushed those changes. | 03:50 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie moose-definition * r0f32601 / lib/WebGUI/Definition/Role/Object.pm : Add POD. Use meta->find_attribute_by_name instead of can. Use get_property_list instead of get_all_properties. Change set to ignore bad properties instead of ending the set. - http://bit.ly/5CHpDv | 03:50 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie moose-definition * rb878104 / t/Definition.t : Update tests. table -> tableName. Add comments to tests. - http://bit.ly/8NzwSj | 03:50 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie moose-definition * r812c2e4 / lib/WebGUI/Definition/Role/Object.pm : Finish up POD for Definition::Role::Object - http://bit.ly/4TY9Gg | 05:49 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie moose-definition * r83e8d7c / t/Definition.t : More tests. - http://bit.ly/8m9trx | 05:49 |
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| xdanger | is there some reason why most of the content in import node is view: everyone, edit: turn admin on? | 12:22 |
| xdanger | shouldn't it be editable by template manager group? | 12:22 |
| xdanger | I want to give my users the ability to turn admin mode on, but not to edit most of my templates | 12:25 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, how important is it that the attributes are returned in insertion order? Does that extend to the "inherited" classes as well? | 18:50 |
| @Haarg | insertion order determines form layout | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | then I'll look for a solution for that, too | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | it appears that insertion order is particular to a class | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | so if you make a "level 2" asset, like snippet, they interleave | 18:52 |
| @Haarg | well, we can probably change the sort, or manually walk isa | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/254339 | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | would walking isa work in a Class::C3 hiearchy? | 18:56 |
| @Haarg | yes | 18:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Class::MOP::Class provides an array of parents with duplicates removed | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm just finding it hard to believe that we can't tie into the MRO and have it do the hard work for us | 19:07 |
| @Haarg | what part of the hard work? | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | sometime like sort { mro ($a, $b) } | 19:09 |
| @Haarg | it shouldn't be too hard to get what we want though | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | the tab on which a property lives would also be important | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | since, if they're in different tabs you don't care about their relative order | 19:10 |
| @Haarg | he tab is handled explicitly by the form though | 19:10 |
| @Haarg | look at the implementation of get_all_attributes in Class::MOP::Class | 19:10 |
| @Haarg | it shouldn't be too hard to adapt that to our needs | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | any thoughts on what to do next, after I resolve this? | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, we can adapt that pretty easily | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | is there any way we can override that method, so that any Definition based object works correctly? | 19:18 |
| @Haarg | we could, but i don't think we would want to | 19:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, we should avoid the private methods, yes? | 19:52 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie moose-definition * r334f341 / (lib/WebGUI/Definition/Meta/Class.pm t/Definition.t): Handle insertion order in multiple classes. This breaks overriding properties in the Definition. - http://bit.ly/8QRQ1c | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I'd like you to check out the last commit very carefully | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't see any way around what I did, aside from using an ordered hash | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | we need name resolution for overriding, but insertion order for proper sequencing | 20:56 |
| @Haarg | can't we remove duplicates at the end? | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, they need to be removed some way or another | 21:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I should write a test to show the problem, and then make sure it's fixed right | 21:26 |
| +perlDreamer | regardless of how we resolve it, we're going to be left with the issue of the change in insertion order when overriding | 21:27 |
| @Haarg | maybe | 21:29 |
| @Haarg | if you removed the later duplicates it wouldn't cause that | 21:29 |
| +perlDreamer | so, if Asset.pm defines keywords with insertion_order = 15, and later on I override keywords in a subclass where keywords has insertion_order = 4 | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll just try it. Maybe Moose will DTRT | 21:34 |
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| @Haarg | well, in your current sub it gets both of them. so you could just eliminate the one from the subclass. | 21:37 |
| +perlDreamer | that would mean that we can't override properties | 21:37 |
| +perlDreamer | which is fine, since we can't do that now | 21:38 |
| @Haarg | why wouldn't you be able to override them? | 21:38 |
| @Haarg | the method is only returning a list of names | 21:39 |
| +perlDreamer | that's true | 21:39 |
| +perlDreamer | and if we do a find_attribute_by_name, it should return mine | 21:40 |
| @Haarg | yes | 21:40 |
| @Haarg | instead of checking for duplicates at the end, we can probably just use a hash to check for existing ones | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I don't want that get_attributes method then, since it will return both attributes | 21:41 |
| @Haarg | ? | 21:41 |
| @Haarg | which attributes do you mean? | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | Moose and Class::MOP have an internal hash of attributes for each metaclass, which you can access via a private method | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I really wanted to get to that, but it's private and I don't want it that badly | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | so I built a method to get all the attributes for a meta class | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | using the API | 21:42 |
| @Haarg | yes | 21:43 |
| +perlDreamer | if a property is declared in more than one class, then you'll get the property twice | 21:44 |
| @Haarg | yes | 21:44 |
| @Haarg | so we have to eliminate the duplicates | 21:44 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 21:45 |
| @Haarg | http://gist.github.com/254457 | 21:46 |
| @Haarg | might be good to cache the results of the method at some point but there are some tricky bits to that | 21:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | perhaps s/(with.+?)::Role::Asset/$1::Role::Object/; | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | since right now it's just calling itself? | 22:07 |
| xdanger | 12:22 < xdanger> is there some reason why most of the content in import node is view: everyone, edit: turn admin on? | 22:09 |
| xdanger | 12:22 < xdanger> shouldn't it be editable by template manager group? | 22:09 |
| xdanger | 12:25 < xdanger> I want to give my users the ability to turn admin mode on, but not to edit most of my templates | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | xdanger, feel free to change the permissions on those assets as you need | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | but be warned | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | if you change the viewing permissions of some Assets, bad things will happen | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | and, when updates happen, they'll be changed back to defaults | 22:11 |
| xdanger | but why are their edit privs for turn admin on group? | 22:11 |
| xdanger | lot's of it | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a generic setup that WebGUI ships with | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | most users will never need Turn Admin On rights to do things on a site | 22:12 |
| xdanger | btw. does template need to have view by everyone for it to work with an asset that is viewable for everyone? | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Make forum postings, add wiki articles, use the Thingy | 22:12 |
| xdanger | yes, but I just was wondering why they aren't set for template admin or secondary admin | 22:13 |
| xdanger | There is one site that I administer and I had to allow someone access to the templates to a "subsite" | 22:14 |
| xdanger | and for the admin interface to work, I had to include them in "turn admin on" | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | what admin things do your users need to do? | 22:14 |
| xdanger | mainly to add assets to a folder and edit templates | 22:16 |
| xdanger | everything related to the layout of that subsite | 22:17 |
| xdanger | Turn Admin On: "These users can enable admin mode.", Template Managers: "Users that have privileges to edit templates for this site." | 22:18 |
| +perlDreamer | if that's from the wiki, it's out of date | 22:18 |
| xdanger | I just think this is inconsistent | 22:18 |
| +perlDreamer | you're always welcome to file an RFE to change it | 22:18 |
| xdanger | it't from ?op=listGroups | 22:18 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a bug then | 22:18 |
| +perlDreamer | since the Group description is misleading | 22:19 |
| xdanger | But why there isn't a single admin group then? what is the function of the other groups if theis described function is in turn admin on group | 22:19 |
| +perlDreamer | The Folder has an addFile URL that allows users to add content without being in Turn On Admin | 22:20 |
| xdanger | shouldn't the "Turn Admin on" group be something like "Administrative users" since it has other functions than simply to turn the admin mode on? | 22:21 |
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| xdanger | I have no problem with this on my site, I can just run a simple sql to change the privileges. I just think it's not very clear for novice users. | 22:25 |
| xdanger | hehe, his connection couldn't handle the conversation =) | 22:25 |
| xdanger | ok, it's almost night here, so some more dexter now. Someone paste my last comment to colink if I'm not back soon =) | 22:26 |
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| elnino | hi all. anyone know if pb provides a discount for non-profit hosting? | 04:20 |
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| JDanPl | Hi BartJol | 13:17 |
| JDanPl | Do you know any plans about code editor? | 13:18 |
| +BartJol | no | 13:19 |
| +BartJol | but it's lunchtime | 13:22 |
| JDanPl | Code editor destroys edited templates. Any time I made upgrade I have to change WebGUI/Template.pm in order not to use codearea but Textare | 13:26 |
| JDanPl | oh, sorry | 13:26 |
| +BartJol | ah | 14:01 |
| +BartJol | strange, I haven't seen that | 14:02 |
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| @preaction | JDanPl: post a bug and provide detailed steps to reproduce (or a copy of your template). be sure to include the browser and OS you're using | 14:49 |
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| JDanPl | preaction: I'll prepare description and post a bug. Independently, it'll be wonderfull and usefull if you add switch to the code editor. Many webmasters prefer plain editor. | 15:05 |
| +BartJol | well that'll be an rfe | 15:06 |
| @preaction | and someone's already posted it, iirc, so add karma to it | 15:07 |
| JDanPl | ok | 15:07 |
| @preaction | anyway, bedtime maybe | 15:07 |
| JDanPl | No problem. We change source each time ;-) | 15:08 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | BartJol: Have you checked out the new multiple language content macro in the Bazaar? | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not sure what to make of it | 18:25 |
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| +BartJol | well, I looked at the code for 2 minutes | 18:26 |
| +BartJol | but haven't had time to install it | 18:27 |
| +BartJol | if it works it should be sweet | 18:27 |
| +BartJol | and those 2 minutes weren't enough for me to get the workings | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I wish it was scaled back a bit, and excluded the custom Thingy plug-in | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | since to make it work, you _also_ have to have a Thingy with some of his custom patches in it | 18:28 |
| +BartJol | ah | 18:28 |
| +BartJol | evil patches? | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | not sure, haven't reviewed them either | 18:28 |
| +BartJol | ah | 18:28 |
| +BartJol | well, I have to test it for myself before I support the rfe | 18:29 |
| +BartJol | if it get's implemented, the plugin isn't custom anymore :) | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | this is true, but last I checked, the patch wasn't available. Also, without tests, it wouldn't be accepted. | 18:33 |
| +BartJol | true enough | 18:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: can you double check a fix for the Survey for me in Safari? | 19:39 |
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| CIA-29 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1026169 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Initialize the editor before rendering the intial dialog box for the Section Editor. Fixes bug #11297. - http://bit.ly/8Vo0WE | 20:09 |
| CIA-29 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3b08b51 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Initialize the editor before rendering the intial dialog box for the Section Editor. Fixes bug #11297. - http://bit.ly/6VbRr1 | 20:09 |
| CIA-29 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb9a9c58 / (3 files in 3 dirs): i18n another Survey label. Fixes bug #11306 - http://bit.ly/8eQPGm | 20:16 |
| CIA-29 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5d3db1a / (3 files in 3 dirs): i18n another Survey label. Fixes bug #11306 - http://bit.ly/7IjN9E | 20:18 |
| CIA-29 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rac8afc4 / (2 files in 2 dirs): move upgrade package to the correct location. - http://bit.ly/8irTLp | 20:20 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, nm, I installed Safari on Vista, and the Survey works fine | 21:02 |
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| CIA-29 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r7dc1725 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Fix some broken Survey i18n (Add Section). Add i18n for object edit dialog buttons. - http://bit.ly/5Y83yy | 21:26 |
| CIA-29 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf582bfd / (4 files in 4 dirs): Fix some broken Survey i18n (Add Section). Add i18n for object edit dialog buttons. - http://bit.ly/5WYJgR | 21:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | error: Entry 'lib/WebGUI/Shop/TaxDriver/EU.pm' not uptodate. Cannot merge. | 23:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | anybody an idea how to fix that | 23:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | think git pull | 23:19 |
| @preaction | MrHairgrease: it means there are local changes or staged changed to that file | 23:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | i know that | 23:22 |
| @preaction | check it with git diff, then if you want to keep them, use git stash | 23:22 |
| @preaction | if you want to remove them, git checkout | 23:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | no no i want to keep it | 23:22 |
| @preaction | git stash will keep them long enough to git pull and then "git stash pop" to put the changes back | 23:23 |
| @preaction | or you could just commit the changes | 23:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 23:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | hehe | 23:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | that seems easier | 23:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | I thought I would've done that | 23:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | but | 23:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | anyway I already ran git stash | 23:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | alright | 23:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | that looks good | 23:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | thanks | 23:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, preaction, can you think of any strong reasons Asset->getParent should not use newPending, instead of newByDynamicClass? | 23:44 |
| @preaction | i had wanted to make that change a while back | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | were you argued out of it, or --tuits ? | 23:45 |
| @preaction | i don't remember | 23:54 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, i don't think it can use newPending. it may be able to fall back on newPending if it can't get the parent using newByDynamicClass. | 00:19 |
| * perlDreamer doesn't see the difference | 00:19 | |
| @Haarg | it should follow newByDynamicClass's behavior re version tags if possible | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | but if it's going to fall back to use newPending anyway, what's the difference? | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | from the user's perspective there won't be any difference | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | since they can't see the uncommitted parent in order to add a child to it | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | it seems like it would help with custom coding, and with upgrade scripts | 00:21 |
| @Haarg | if there is an asset with a committed revision and an uncommitted revision, it should retrieve the committed revision unless the uncommitted revision is in the active version tag | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | so the real issue is when there is a newly added asset, with no previous revisions | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | and that assets are chaining getParent calls without checking that they parent is defined. | 00:25 |
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| @Haarg | the only time i see the current behavior being a problem is if you had an asset in an uncommitted version tag with a parent asset in another uncommitted version tag | 00:28 |
| @Haarg | and it seems like we shouldn't allow that to happen anyway | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | so this bug, is not a bug: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11295 | 00:29 |
| @Haarg | hmm | 00:30 |
| @Haarg | actually, maybe getParent needs a different behavior | 00:31 |
| @Haarg | instead of using the current version tag, it should use the uncommitted revision's version tag | 00:32 |
| @Haarg | the simplest way to do that would probably be by changing the active version tag then calling newByDynamicClass | 00:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | if getParent uses newPending, the same end result would be achieved, with the child going into the parent's uncommitted tag | 00:39 |
| @Haarg | except it would get the wrong revision sometimes | 00:40 |
| * perlDreamer didn't know that newPending would return the wrong revision of an asset | 00:43 | |
| @Haarg | it returns the most recent | 00:43 |
| @Haarg | that isn't always what you want to retrieve | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | (02:32:24 PM) Haarg: instead of using the current version tag, it should use the uncommitted revision's version tag | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | if it's using the uncommitted revision's version tag, then it's doing the same thing as newPending | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | if there's an uncommitted version tag, there are no newer versions | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | if the version tag is committed, we want to use that revision | 00:45 |
| @Haarg | not quite | 00:45 |
| @Haarg | if the parent has one committed revision and another uncommitted revision in a version tag | 00:46 |
| @Haarg | and the child has an uncommitted revision in a different version tag | 00:46 |
| @Haarg | getParent should get the parent's committed version tag | 00:46 |
| @Haarg | which is not what newPending would do | 00:47 |
| @Haarg | if the two uncommitted revisions were in the same version tag, getParent should get the parent's uncommitted version tag | 00:47 |
| @Haarg | err | 00:47 |
| @Haarg | uncommitted revision | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 00:48 |
| @Haarg | which isn't what newByDynamicClass would do if it wasn't the active version tag | 00:48 |
| * perlDreamer is starting to agree about your earlier assertion about choice of asset instanciation | 00:49 | |
| +perlDreamer | newPending should not have been used to grab an uncommitted parent without considering the consequences of adding children, and lineage | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | the sequence in question is $me=Asset->newPending(); $me->addChild({props}); | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | addChild goes boom because it can't get the parent | 00:51 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | the code should $me=Asset->newPending; code to fix tag; $me->addChild({}); | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | followed by code to restore tag | 00:52 |
| @Haarg | maybe | 00:52 |
| @Haarg | it seems like getParent should do that for you | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | if getParent does that, then the downstream code which puts children into the version tag of the uncommitted parent will not be needed. | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | well | 00:53 |
| @Haarg | why not? | 00:53 |
| @Haarg | there is still the case of adding children of an uncommitted asset | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the same case we're talking about | 00:53 |
| @Haarg | well, in that case it needs to add the children to the uncommitted asset's version tag | 00:54 |
| @Haarg | more and more i wish assets and revisions were separate objects | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | so... $me = Asset->newPending(); if $me->getTag() is not committed, change tag to that tag, $me->addChild(), restore original tag | 00:56 |
| @Haarg | kind of, but i don't see why we want to force that on people when asset should be able to handle it itself | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think that counting on getParent to do that is reliable | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I haven't checked, but I would guess there's a case where getParent is not called while making a child. | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | plus, what we're talking about is not common programming, it seems quite rare | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | at least not since the adding of newPending to the core | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | before newPending, if you wanted the uncommitted asset, you had to go looking for it, or adjust your tag accordingly | 01:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, if you add a child, it calls fixUrl everytime | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | so getParent will be called | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | but it's not in the most robust of ways | 01:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, how about if we make the changes you suggest in getParent, AND make a deliberate call in addChild to getParent? That way, if fixUrl or anything else downstream should change, it won't break, and the asset is always guaranteed to have the correct parent object. | 03:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, there's an easier way to do it: http://gist.github.com/256652 | 04:27 |
| +perlDreamer | addRev had all the right data | 04:27 |
| +perlDreamer | but wasn't using it | 04:27 |
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| --- Log opened Wed Dec 16 00:00:58 2009 | ||
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| CIA-51 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r310c0ad / (3 files in 3 dirs): When addin a child under a parent that is not committed, adopt the parent's version tag. Fixes bug #11295 - http://bit.ly/5h3mZB | 00:25 |
| CIA-51 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r99e5aab / (3 files in 3 dirs): When addin a child under a parent that is not committed, adopt the parent's version tag. Fixes bug #11295 - http://bit.ly/6gGBmC | 00:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | steveo_aa, you might want to cherry-pick that commit from the 7.7 branch to fix your custom code bug. | 00:29 |
| * perlDreamer goes to the gym, but will remain online so that Haarg can deliver an excoriating review of the addChild/addRev patch. | 00:42 | |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 01:48 |
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| SquOnk | Anyone can make sense of http://paste.debian.net/54130/? | 01:49 |
| SquOnk | This is in webgui 7.7.something (sorry for not being precise, not my install, acting as a proxy) | 01:49 |
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| SquOnk | Haarg: HI there | 02:01 |
| @Haarg | hi | 02:01 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: Can you make sense of http://paste.debian.net/54130/? | 02:02 |
| SquOnk | This is in webgui 7.7.something (sorry for not being precise, not my install, acting as a proxy) | 02:02 |
| @Haarg | well, i understand enough to see it is unable to load WebGUI::FilePump::Admin, but it doesn't say why | 02:04 |
| @Haarg | can you try running perl -I/usr/share/webgui/lib/ -cw -e'use WebGUI::Content::FilePump' | 02:05 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: That's as far as I got. Sadly, can't run that, not my install :-( | 02:06 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: Thanks anyway | 02:06 |
| @Haarg | could be related to Apache2::Reload | 02:10 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: Care to elaborate? | 02:14 |
| SquOnk | Not enabled? Badly configured? | 02:15 |
| @Haarg | the message 'Attempt to reload ... aborted' most likely is coming from Apache2::Reload | 02:15 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: No, that message is in WebGUI/Pluggable.pm | 02:15 |
| SquOnk | Oh, you are right. | 02:16 |
| @Haarg | it is being redispatched from WebGUI::Pluggable but the origin is in Apache2::Reload | 02:16 |
| SquOnk | That message is the "error" message being shown by WebGUI::Pluggable | 02:16 |
| @Haarg | i don't use it and wouldn't recommend it so i don't know how it interacts with WebGUI but i'm pretty sure there are some problems | 02:16 |
| SquOnk | Well, I'll try and figure it out tomorrow. Got to go. | 02:16 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: Thanks for the hint. | 02:17 |
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| CIA-51 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r47afff6 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.8.8 release. - http://bit.ly/4wE4RV | 05:41 |
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| CIA-51 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5ce2b6e / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.8.9 deveopment cycle. - http://bit.ly/5lnexG | 06:37 |
| +perlDreamer | yay! new version of WebGUI is out. Let the community rejoice | 06:37 |
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| SDuensin | Hello from Government BS Land! | 16:54 |
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| CIA-51 | WebGUI: translation * r12426 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (4 files): Updating Dutch on translation server | 18:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | man, IRC's been flaky these last several days | 18:45 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 18:45 |
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| +BartJol | well, you can try to add form variables in the url ? | 18:48 |
| +BartJol | not sure whether that is clever | 18:48 |
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| @preaction | danny_mk: you can use macros in the http proxy URL | 18:59 |
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