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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbd66779 / (4 files): Macro test maintenance, up through Page.t - http://bit.ly/1zdQ0v | 00:52 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1c536f9 / lib/WebGUI/Operation/Group.pm : Fix syntax errors in Operation/Group - http://bit.ly/4AEFzQ | 00:52 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r933598b / (4 files): Macro test maintenance, up through Page.t - http://bit.ly/3WjRFV | 00:52 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7154833 / (11 files): Done with Macro test maintenance. - http://bit.ly/2L75aD | 04:01 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r8ba01ef / (10 files): Done with Macro test maintenance. - http://bit.ly/47LN20 | 04:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | Happy Halloween, fellow Gooey-ians! | 04:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Gooeyites? | 04:06 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 04:06 |
| topsub | Hey, | 05:05 |
| topsub | I'm getting http://webgui.pastebin.com/m20b4a95 after i restarted my server and tried to boot everything | 05:05 |
| topsub | Any idea? | 05:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Don't restart your server? | 05:05 |
| topsub | doh! | 05:05 |
| +perlDreamer | you need to specify a pid file | 05:05 |
| +perlDreamer | in spectre.conf | 05:05 |
| +perlDreamer | so that spectre knows where to write the PID file | 05:06 |
| topsub | but i guess i never had to do that before, why is it showing up now? | 05:06 |
| +perlDreamer | because it's new :P | 05:06 |
| topsub | what is a pid? | 05:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Process ID | 05:06 |
| +perlDreamer | kind of like httpd.pid | 05:06 |
| +perlDreamer | mysql.pid | 05:06 |
| topsub | do i need to just create a blank file and point it to it? | 05:06 |
| +perlDreamer | spectre now uses a PID file for starting and stopping | 05:06 |
| +perlDreamer | no, in spectre.conf, you need to tell spectre where to write the PID file that it wants to use | 05:07 |
| topsub | do we have docs about this so i can catch up on this? haha | 05:07 |
| +perlDreamer | it's in the gotcha.txt file | 05:07 |
| topsub | I never upgraded | 05:07 |
| topsub | ah. i didn't change my file system back | 05:07 |
| topsub | must have tried to started changing the files | 05:07 |
| topsub | remember it keep crashing so i left it for now | 05:07 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: khenn master * r3958a36 / (4 files in 4 dirs): bug fixes: start date is returned in UTC instead of the proper time zone, meta data fields are not properly returned to the template - http://bit.ly/3SFOXK | 16:46 |
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| luke | hi. what's the best way to upgrade (source install) from 7.6.35 to the latest 7.7? can i do it directly? | 11:48 |
| +BartJol | I would read the gotchas first | 12:09 |
| +BartJol | but I believe I saw a bugfix that should make it possible to go to 7.7.24 (not 23), luke | 12:10 |
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| +BartJol | luke: http://github.com/plainblack/webgui/blob/v7.7.24/docs/gotcha.txt | 12:12 |
| luke | thanks BartJol. i'll give it a go. | 12:13 |
| +BartJol | luke there are quite some template changes, so checking the changelog might be wise too | 12:15 |
| luke | i noticed that | 12:20 |
| +BartJol | too late? | 12:32 |
| luke | nono. i'm still procrastinating. | 12:38 |
| +BartJol | aah very wise | 12:48 |
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| +BartJol | mmm, it seems that in the template help, the event asset reports untruly that the synopsis variable is present | 15:55 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r35d1fc9 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/RssFeed.pm): fixed: RSS feeds generated with incorrect link for channel - http://bit.ly/1wqRNY | 17:12 |
| SDuensin | Morning all. | 17:12 |
| +BartJol | morning | 17:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, the RssFeed bug fix broke a test. I'm going to backport your patch and the test fix now, so I don't forget to backport the test patch later | 18:03 |
| @Haarg | oop, sorry, was going to check tests but wanted to get it committed quickly. | 18:03 |
| +perlDreamer | no sweat | 18:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc017926 / t/Asset/Wobject/EventManagementSystem.t : Add the eventMetaData template variable back to the test. - http://bit.ly/1DFazi | 18:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfcab301 / t/AssetAspect/RssFeed.t : Update RssFeed test. - http://bit.ly/2aJIaU | 18:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * r44b05b2 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/RssFeed.pm): fixed: RSS feeds generated with incorrect link for channel - http://bit.ly/aLwoS | 18:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5186799 / t/AssetAspect/RssFeed.t : Update RssFeed test. - http://bit.ly/1VmRd4 | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto: If I fix this Shop bug now, can you have the user try to check out again? | 18:05 |
| @tavisto | I can reply to their email and tell them to do so | 18:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | tavisto, please make him do so | 18:41 |
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| @tavisto | ok perlDreamer will do | 18:43 |
| +BartJol | is there a reason that userdefined tmpl_vars are not included for the storymanager? | 18:48 |
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| +BartJol | ah, dreamersgirl is in her class again | 18:49 |
| dreamersgirl | :) | 18:50 |
| dreamersgirl | We're learning about opioids.... | 18:50 |
| +BartJol | doesn't sound simple | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol: it doesn't have any to include? | 18:51 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: yeah, but that is chicken-egg stuff | 18:52 |
| +BartJol | I mean, why aren't they included as a feature in that whole manger | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | they weren't in the spec | 18:53 |
| +BartJol | ah | 18:53 |
| +BartJol | so that would be an rfe | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | definitely | 18:53 |
| +BartJol | als filed | 18:57 |
| +BartJol | and | 18:57 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: so I can just leave that use_ok check out of the test, cool | 19:00 |
| +BartJol | ? | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 19:00 |
| +BartJol | well, let's rip it out and push it again, and then only 6 macros are completely without tests (or should we include the ones with only a use_ok test in that list......) | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, I wasn't sure about separating them into categories like that | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | but as long as everything is tested in the end | 19:02 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r74f7038 / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Fix a bad comment. - http://bit.ly/1mwnPs | 19:06 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb6f4f73 / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Fix a bad comment. - http://bit.ly/1aW0O3 | 19:06 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re9b11c5 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Navigation can use the default Asset getEditForm controls. Fixes bug #11188 - http://bit.ly/1fgJdb | 19:06 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r301763e / (2 files in 2 dirs): Navigation can use the default Asset getEditForm controls. Fixes bug #11188 - http://bit.ly/cdCD | 19:06 |
| +BartJol | ok that is 1 then | 19:06 |
| +BartJol | have fun merging | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll ship you the karma after I merge | 19:07 |
| +BartJol | well, hold your horses, I intended to do more | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, but every time I give someone karma, I can post about it | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | hopefully more people will sign up for test writing | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | and then we'll have a whole herd of testers | 19:08 |
| +BartJol | well, ok | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | not that I want to give you competition or anything | 19:08 |
| +BartJol | just give the next one, otherwise I have to choose | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | it's first come, first serve | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | which means you can pick the one that is easiest to test :) | 19:09 |
| +BartJol | I already did | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | I would pick StorageUrl next | 19:10 |
| +BartJol | ok | 19:10 |
| +BartJol | since I don't have any internet, I'll try to do that one tonight and post it tomorrow | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, yeha | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | no internet at Chez Jol | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | is that something that is planned? | 19:11 |
| +BartJol | no, only wireless woth passwords | 19:11 |
| +BartJol | yeah my whole neighbourhoud put on security when I moved there | 19:12 |
| +BartJol | it was a big operation | 19:12 |
| +BartJol | and if I really feel like it, I might continue with a contenthandler, those are badly tested too | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | most are not tested at all | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | in fact, large pieces of WebGUI are not tested | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | this is bad | 19:13 |
| +BartJol | except 2 or three, including the very nice SetLanguage test | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | SetLanguage is a gem | 19:13 |
| +BartJol | :P | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | for testing, I've been using this photo: http://imagebin.ca/view/5pFt3oTl.html | 19:16 |
| +BartJol | ah, me will use this one http://blogs.bootsnall.com/pesta/archives/Peru/4.%20guinea%20pig.jpg | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | mmm, french fries | 19:18 |
| +perlDreamer | were you at the WUC where they served the pig for the luau, BartJol? | 19:18 |
| +BartJol | no :( | 19:18 |
| +BartJol | in vegas? | 19:18 |
| +BartJol | or chicago> | 19:18 |
| +perlDreamer | Vegas | 19:18 |
| +BartJol | sounds like vegas | 19:19 |
| +BartJol | no, only Madison WUC's for me | 19:19 |
| +BartJol | mmmm, more than a million image results on fried guinea pig, it is a strange world, but all those pictures are making me hungry, so later | 19:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, preaction, fellow WebGUI folk, lend me your ears | 19:22 |
| @Haarg | ? | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | why is it that editing controls are not displayed when an Image Asset is AssetProxied? | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | it appears to be designed in | 19:24 |
| @Haarg | it's meant for if it is used in a design the toolbar doesn't get in the way | 19:24 |
| @Haarg | according to rizen | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | that makes sense | 19:25 |
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| SDuensin | Interesting logic. Just turning on admin mode usually trashes my layouts. :-( | 19:26 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3768984 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Macro/AssetProxy.pm): Update the POD for the AssetProxy macro, re the displaying of edit controls. Fixes bug #11189 - http://bit.ly/3IGBqS | 19:43 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rdee0954 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Macro/AssetProxy.pm): Update the POD for the AssetProxy macro, re the displaying of edit controls. Fixes bug #11189 - http://bit.ly/4058sA | 19:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Yay, Joeri! | 19:43 |
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| SDuensin | Perl on Windows is compiled poop. | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | s/Perl on//; | 19:59 |
| SDuensin | That's the truth. | 19:59 |
| SDuensin | They don't give me a real computer at work. | 19:59 |
| SDuensin | All I want is an updated CPAN. Is that asking too much? | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | are you using Strawberry Perl? | 20:00 |
| SDuensin | Cygwin | 20:01 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbaf9f3c / (4 files in 4 dirs): Make a synopsis field available to the Event edit form. Fixes bug #11190 - http://bit.ly/MuKor | 20:51 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r70d3d63 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Calendar.pm : Remove debug code from Calendar. - http://bit.ly/2TNfAK | 20:51 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r3ebd8f9 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Make a synopsis field available to the Event edit form. Fixes bug #11190 - http://bit.ly/3gRW2U | 20:51 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9b94516 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Calendar.pm : Remove debug code from Calendar. - http://bit.ly/3ZgNeS | 20:53 |
| topsub | Is there a way to import subscribers into webgui's Newsletter asset? | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | not through the user interface | 21:06 |
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| topsub | Would i have to do straight sql? | 21:07 |
| topsub | Is that what you mean? | 21:07 |
| topsub | Or write a script? | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 21:07 |
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| topsub | Script would be best way you think? | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | see setUserSubscriptions in Asset/Wobject/Collaboration/Newsletter.pm | 21:09 |
| topsub | ah, nice thanks! | 21:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, do you happen to have that benchmark data for isIn vs grep vs first laying around? | 21:37 |
| @Haarg | nope | 21:37 |
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| * perlDreamer goes running | 21:44 | |
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| ckotil | can i gracefully restart modproxy using apachectl like so? '/data/wre/prereqs/bin/apachectl -f /data/wre/etc/modproxy.conf graceful' | 22:38 |
| @Haarg | yes | 22:41 |
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| ckotil | sweet. needs +k too, but thanks. | 22:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | awfully quiet today | 02:19 |
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| daviddelikat | perlDreamer: are you going to be on later? and have a minute to look at something for me? | 02:52 |
| * perlDreamer will be on until late tonight my time | 02:53 | |
| +perlDreamer | which is tomorrow your time | 02:53 |
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| daviddelikat | I'm about to take a sort break for a ~late~ dinner and then try to fix the formatting on the EMS | 02:55 |
| daviddelikat | its doing that thing where WG sends unproccessed pages out. so that they do not have correct formatting | 02:56 |
| daviddelikat | anytime you feel lilkt peeking at it http://delikat.homeip.net:8080/ with the default password | 02:57 |
| daviddelikat | look at the submission queue -> the three links on top of the datatable. | 02:57 |
| daviddelikat | also let me know how it works for firefox. AFAIK it only works in safari. | 02:58 |
| daviddelikat | I'll be back in about fifteen. I appretiate any input you can give. | 02:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm getting called for dinner, too. I'll be back in a while | 03:22 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3950611 / (3 files in 3 dirs): i18n the event recurrence form. Fixes bug #11194 - http://bit.ly/2YsjSK | 04:06 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r23b82f5 / (3 files in 3 dirs): i18n the event recurrence form. Fixes bug #11194 - http://bit.ly/4o9e8A | 04:06 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1eeb76e / (3 files in 3 dirs): newByLineage should log its own error. Fixes bug #11192 - http://bit.ly/28faVU | 04:29 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2a9f2c0 / (3 files in 3 dirs): newByLineage should log its own error. Fixes bug #11192 - http://bit.ly/2hFA0r | 04:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | hey, patspam! | 05:00 |
| +perlDreamer | How are you doing? | 05:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat: this is what I've found | 05:35 |
| +perlDreamer | the DataForm on the view submission queue page just sits and spins. Doesn't seem to load anything. | 05:36 |
| +perlDreamer | The new submission form is streaming a bunch of HTML down the line. The hoverhelp isn't being rendered because it has to be done with javascript, creating a new tooltip for each one. | 05:36 |
| +perlDreamer | A macro is rendered on the bottom of the Add Submission page | 05:37 |
| +perlDreamer | the link "the first one", looks like it brings up a filled in Add Submission form page. | 05:38 |
| +perlDreamer | same broken International macro | 05:39 |
| +perlDreamer | When I click on Add Submission Form, it throws an error of some kind. | 05:39 |
| * perlDreamer has to do some shopping, be back soon | 05:39 | |
| daviddelikat | k thanks for the notes | 05:39 |
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| daviddelikat | back in he mornin | 06:53 |
| +perlDreamer | 'night | 06:54 |
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| daviddelikat | So I got tired of Firefox... and now I'm developing in Safari | 16:14 |
| daviddelikat | but it is giving me this error: | 16:14 |
| daviddelikat | resource interpreted as other... | 16:14 |
| daviddelikat | and the file appears to be empty | 16:14 |
| +BartJol | well, I do that to, when someone sends me a file, I read another and say that I don't get it :) | 16:18 |
| +BartJol | but what kind off file? | 16:18 |
| +BartJol | daviddelikat: I do have konqueror, so I might check it out | 16:21 |
| +BartJol | even got safari on my other box | 16:22 |
| daviddelikat | well, I realized as I was typinh in IRC that I had not yet googled the message | 16:22 |
| daviddelikat | so I did that | 16:22 |
| daviddelikat | and found that it seems to be GASP ~a bug~ in Safari... | 16:22 |
| daviddelikat | so I'm upgrading | 16:22 |
| +BartJol | ah, at first I would guess wrong url copied or version tag not committed :) | 16:23 |
| daviddelikat | its a js faile in extras | 16:23 |
| daviddelikat | s/faile/file/ | 16:23 |
| daviddelikat | so if anything it would be mod_proxy | 16:23 |
| +BartJol | well | 16:23 |
| +BartJol | not per se | 16:23 |
| daviddelikat | and come to think of it I think I'll restart it | 16:24 |
| daviddelikat | how so? | 16:24 |
| +BartJol | extras is also a urlhandler | 16:24 |
| +BartJol | might go something wrong there too, would be strange | 16:24 |
| +BartJol | but not impossible | 16:24 |
| daviddelikat | whats a 'urlhandler'? | 16:24 |
| +BartJol | well,, look into your webgui conf at urlHandler | 16:25 |
| +BartJol | you'll find some | 16:25 |
| daviddelikat | so its an asset or perl object of some kind | 16:25 |
| +BartJol | yeah | 16:25 |
| +BartJol | the last | 16:25 |
| +BartJol | if a call comes to webgui, it first checks the urlHandlers | 16:26 |
| +BartJol | and handles them in the right order | 16:26 |
| JDanPl | BartJol: greate! You explained how webgui manage with URL's. Thanks. | 16:39 |
| +BartJol | ehh with that short description? | 16:40 |
| +BartJol | it is only the first step :) | 16:40 |
| +BartJol | I made a contentHandler, so I had to understand it | 16:41 |
| JDanPl | Yes, but I know now where is begining | 16:41 |
| +BartJol | ah | 16:41 |
| +BartJol | in the dev book there is a nice diagram of that | 16:41 |
| JDanPl | I have to order this book. | 16:42 |
| +BartJol | the contenthandlers work almost the same (so order in conf is important) | 16:43 |
| +BartJol | so if no special case in urlhandling, it is content, then it checks whether it is a contenthandler, if yes->execute, if not->retrieve normal content | 16:44 |
| JDanPl | So contentHandlers represents some actions | 16:45 |
| +BartJol | I can do a presentation at the wuc next year: WebGUI::TheShortWay | 16:45 |
| +BartJol | yes, like turning admin on | 16:45 |
| +BartJol | mostly it changes some session properties | 16:45 |
| +BartJol | I believe | 16:45 |
| +BartJol | or allows you to add assets | 16:46 |
| +BartJol | stuff like that | 16:47 |
| +BartJol | or set your session language (in 7.8.3) | 16:47 |
| +BartJol | just check the contentHandler order for that | 16:48 |
| +BartJol | also in the conf | 16:48 |
| JDanPl | ok, I see | 16:50 |
| +BartJol | JDanPl: I had to dive into that with the language stuff. You wanna change it, but if you do that with a macro, that is executed when the page has almost rendered, so you have to do that before retrieving content | 16:50 |
| JDanPl | BartJol: I made a couple of simple macros. For example WebGUI::Macro::GroupIdTextUp which is extension to WebGUI::Macro::GroupeText. Can I send it at first to you? | 16:56 |
| +BartJol | sure | 16:56 |
| +BartJol | what do you want me to do with it? | 16:57 |
| JDanPl | Check is it worth public and is it good prepared | 16:58 |
| +BartJol | ah, ok | 16:58 |
| +BartJol | just e-mail me the file, tell what you want to do with it (should be clear from the POD) and what you would use it for | 16:59 |
| +BartJol | actually, if it passes the normal use test, it might be worthwhile to write a test for it | 16:59 |
| +BartJol | but let's not go too fast | 17:00 |
| JDanPl | How I can gain your emai? I don't see at sources | 17:00 |
| +BartJol | even my smiley macro is downloaded | 17:00 |
| +BartJol | you should have another open tab in your im client now | 17:00 |
| +BartJol | ok, perlsyntax = ok | 17:11 |
| +BartJol | that is a first important step | 17:11 |
| JDanPl | Perl is my home | 17:11 |
| JDanPl | from many yers ;-) | 17:11 |
| +BartJol | but often we shift all parameters in to a variable | 17:11 |
| +BartJol | to keep them tracked | 17:12 |
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| JDanPl | hm... there macros expect varius number of params | 17:14 |
| +BartJol | JDanPl: it might be me, but I thought 0 was a valid value, and so the !$param statement seems odd | 17:14 |
| JDanPl | yes, you are right | 17:14 |
| +BartJol | het thenm in an array first and stuff them in a hash | 17:15 |
| +BartJol | I did that with mu languagepageswitch, it is on the bazaar | 17:15 |
| +BartJol | almost the same handling of that hash | 17:15 |
| +BartJol | except for what you're actually doing | 17:16 |
| +BartJol | JDanPl: group Id 3 is not recognised | 17:26 |
| +BartJol | which is strange | 17:26 |
| +BartJol | it exists | 17:26 |
| +BartJol | and I am in it as admin | 17:27 |
| +BartJol | for the groupidtextup macro | 17:27 |
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| +BartJol | mmm and the other gives a strange error: Macro has no process sub: WebGUI::Macro::GroupTextUp. which it has.... | 17:31 |
| JDanPl | It's strange. In my instance of WebGUI it works corrctly. I have to check it | 17:32 |
| +BartJol | well, it might be my install | 17:33 |
| +BartJol | It was more glancing | 17:33 |
| +BartJol | so I guess I did something wrong | 17:33 |
| JDanPl | juts moment | 17:34 |
| +BartJol | it is called, so I put it in the right dir and I got the name right in the conf | 17:35 |
| JDanPl | Simple test ^GroupIdTextUp('3','Group 3','1','Group 1'); showd me macro works right | 17:36 |
| +BartJol | mmm, then I did something, let's have a look | 17:38 |
| +BartJol | mmm, it parses, so that is good | 17:42 |
| JDanPl | I concern that spliting array to hash does not guarantee former order. For example foreach my $language (keys %assetsLanguage) { not always run in the same order | 17:47 |
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| +BartJol | that is correct, since it is an hash | 17:48 |
| JDanPl | In macro GroupIdTextUp order of params is important. | 17:49 |
| +BartJol | ok | 17:49 |
| +BartJol | then leave it in the array and just shift out 2 in each loop | 17:49 |
| JDanPl | ok | 17:50 |
| +BartJol | the use use of @_ is very nice perl, but maybe not better readable | 17:50 |
| +BartJol | do you have it in a custom dir? | 18:01 |
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| +BartJol | I do, dunno why, but it can make a difference | 18:02 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol, you ready for a merge? | 18:02 |
| +BartJol | sorry perlDreamer didn't come around to that testing yesterday | 18:02 |
| +perlDreamer | no sweat | 18:02 |
| +BartJol | well, I did make a fork | 18:02 |
| +BartJol | but after that something was a bit strange | 18:03 |
| +BartJol | and I had to do other stuff | 18:03 |
| +BartJol | so unfortunately, no | 18:03 |
| +BartJol | let's have a look | 18:03 |
| +BartJol | did you already did something with that BackToSite stuff? otherwise it is useless to look at it now | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I haven't done anything yet. | 18:05 |
| +perlDreamer | From your email this morning, I thought you might have started some new test | 18:05 |
| +perlDreamer | which means merging would get me partially done code | 18:05 |
| +perlDreamer | which is like eating half cooked pannenkoeken | 18:05 |
| +BartJol | that might be true at the moment | 18:06 |
| +BartJol | or cooked haring | 18:06 |
| +BartJol | at this moment I'm getting used to working with that fork | 18:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, tavisto | 18:26 |
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| @tavisto | yo pD | 18:33 |
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| daviddelikat | so what is it in template processing that determines whether macros are processed or not? | 18:55 |
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| @Haarg | macros aren't processed as part of the template processing | 18:55 |
| @Haarg | they are processed on output | 18:56 |
| @Haarg | there are some cases where they are processed aside from output, but those are handled by the individual components, not as part of template processing | 18:57 |
| daviddelikat | whats the switch that turns it on or off? | 18:57 |
| @Haarg | in what case? | 18:57 |
| daviddelikat | I have a macro that is not being' translated' | 18:57 |
| daviddelikat | how many cases are there? | 18:57 |
| @Haarg | when you are outputting content, you can tell it not to process macros | 18:58 |
| @Haarg | that isn't done in a lot of places though | 18:58 |
| @Haarg | what is the case you are dealing with? | 18:58 |
| daviddelikat | I'm returning some JSON that contains HTML | 18:58 |
| daviddelikat | do I need to run it through Macro processing manually? | 18:59 |
| @Haarg | you'll have to manually process the macros | 18:59 |
| daviddelikat | thanks | 19:00 |
| daviddelikat | I don't know why I didn't think of that myself | 19:01 |
| @Haarg | if the mime type is set to something that isn't text/ it disables macro parsing | 19:01 |
| @Haarg | because you can't do automatic macro parsing on json content | 19:02 |
| daviddelikat | Haarg: do you know what JS needs to run in order to get hoverHelp rendered correctly? | 19:05 |
| @Haarg | the hoverhelp stuff is all in www/extras/hoverHelp.js. it's been a while so i don't know exactly what you need to do for stuff added after page load | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | it's evil, evil bug day | 19:11 |
| daviddelikat | is there any other kind of bug? | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, there are cute fluffy little bugs that take 3.5 minutes to fix | 19:14 |
| daviddelikat | I like to call those 'typos | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | so far, I've had the 0 ne 0 bug, the duplicate database property bug and the perl array autovivifaction bug. | 19:14 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd852602 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Pay.pm): | 19:25 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Fix small number handling in the Shop. Fixes bug #11195 | 19:25 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Format the number to be checked against 0.00 in Shop/Pay.pm, since sometimes perl | 19:25 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: will leave small remainders when subtracting numbers. - http://bit.ly/qzsmK | 19:25 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r16f6aa4 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Pay.pm): | 19:25 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Fix small number handling in the Shop. Fixes bug #11195 | 19:25 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Format the number to be checked against 0.00 in Shop/Pay.pm, since sometimes perl | 19:25 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: will leave small remainders when subtracting numbers. - http://bit.ly/rMeAd | 19:25 |
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| ecopunk | I have a quick question... Is there any way to give a group permission to edit templates (New Content > Utilities > Templates) without putting them in the Admin group? | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | ecopunk, by default all templates are owned by the group called Turn Admin On | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | but I've never seen that menu you're talking about | 21:07 |
| ecopunk | Hmmm... There must be a change in the setup I'm working with, as I've already tried placing the user in that group to no avail. | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | let me double check, I could wrong | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | It's a day that ends in Y | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | I've checked 1 Article Template, and it's owned by Turn Admin On | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | excuse me, not owned by, but Group To Edit is Turn Admin On | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | now, adding a template is different from editing a template | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | is that what you mean | 21:12 |
| daviddelikat | preaction: do you happen to know how to get initHoverHelp to work from other places? | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, I think patspam or perlmonkey2 knows how to do that | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | they've shipped stuff across XHR/JSON requests for the Survey | 21:16 |
| daviddelikat | very good, are they around? | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | don't know, but looking through the Survey JS would be a good place to start | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | also, you could look at the Thingy, since it dynamically builds the forms to add new fields to a Thingy | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | and, iirc, it has hoverhelp | 21:17 |
| daviddelikat | I've looked through it a bit, but there is something alluding me | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | eluding | 21:17 |
| daviddelikat | I inserted the call but the function is not found at the call point | 21:18 |
| daviddelikat | yes that | 21:18 |
| ecopunk | perlDreamer: Yes. Or perhaps I should say create a new template. | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | creating any new asset can only be done from a place where the current user has edit privileges | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | so if they can't edit the current page/asset/whatever, they won't be able to add a new template | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | for example, in a new install, all assets are owned by Admin, and editable by the group Content Managers | 21:24 |
| +perlDreamer | except for the home page, which is owned by Admin, and editable by Admins | 21:24 |
| +perlDreamer | which seems kind of screwy | 21:24 |
| +perlDreamer | and checking further, it's pretty random as to the group editing privileges on the default content | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, should those be made consistent? | 21:28 |
| +perlDreamer | select a.assetId, title, d.groupIdEdit, d.ownerUserId from asset as a join assetData as d using (assetId) where lineage like '000001000002%'; | 21:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | it is not going to be pretty | 21:33 |
| jnegative | at least you're going. more than most can say | 21:33 |
| daviddelikat | patspam or perlmonkey2: I'm having trouble with initializing hover help after a JSON transfer | 21:34 |
| daviddelikat | Haarg: I don't suppose you've recently added a 'grep' function for searching packages in wgd? | 21:36 |
| @Haarg | wgd ls --filter may do what you want | 21:36 |
| @Haarg | i haven't really used it - patspam wrote it | 21:37 |
| daviddelikat | I'll look at it | 21:37 |
| daviddelikat | I really want to look inside templates for some text | 21:39 |
| daviddelikat | is there any way to dump the whole thing to disk? | 21:39 |
| @Haarg | wgd export-branch | 21:41 |
| daviddelikat | is that a new command? I don't seem to have it here. | 21:42 |
| @Haarg | relatively new, yes | 21:43 |
| daviddelikat | I figured it out | 21:43 |
| daviddelikat | dash not underscore | 21:44 |
| ecopunk | perlDreamer: Weird, still can't get it to work. Thanks, though... You gave me a few more ideas to try. | 21:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat: you can also look at docs/create.sql, but it's not easy | 23:32 |
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| daviddelikat | I figured out what I was missing for hoverhelp... | 03:21 |
| daviddelikat | it was the hoverhelp style sheet! | 03:21 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb4112e8 / (t/Shop/Ship.t t/Shop/ShipDriver/UPS.t): Update tests for UPS driver. Cleanup diags. - http://bit.ly/2ItEsC | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | that's right folks, you saw it here first | 06:57 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI now has a UPS shipping driver | 06:57 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbc0a774 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.8.3 release. - http://bit.ly/mObO1 | 07:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | thanks, Radix_ | 08:16 |
| +Radix_ | It's about all I do anymore I'm afraid ;( | 08:16 |
| +perlDreamer | No more webgui work? | 08:16 |
| +Radix_ | nah, no time these days.. | 08:17 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a bummer man | 08:17 |
| +Radix_ | we're still using 7.0.8 here at work and I haven't had time to go and upgrade it | 08:17 |
| +Radix_ | that said.. it's working well still, so can't complain :) | 08:17 |
| +Radix_ | About to get married in a few days, so will have even less time for a while ;) | 08:18 |
| +perlDreamer | Congratulations! | 08:18 |
| +Radix_ | ta :) | 08:18 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5ef8252 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.8.4 development cycle. - http://bit.ly/mjzRW | 08:20 |
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| +BartJol | gugod: some connection problems? | 12:51 |
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| +BartJol | KlausH: is there a UPS translator for all that terminilogy? | 13:18 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning. | 16:26 |
| +BartJol | morning | 16:58 |
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| SDuensin | Wow. I completely do not understand Microsoft. Their home page proclaims: "Windows 7 is pretty dope," "...my games partition survived," "after ironing out a few kinks...is my favorite OS." Gee, glowing endorsements. | 17:08 |
| +BartJol | yeah the faith drips out of it | 17:09 |
| SDuensin | Who decided to put "my games partition *survived*" on the home page?! | 17:10 |
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| +BartJol | I don't know | 17:12 |
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| SDuensin | If I was a developer for them, I'd be hunting that person down. | 17:13 |
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| SDuensin | Can you imagine? "Hey rizen! WebGUI 8 didn't destroy my site!" and he puts it on the home page. :-) | 17:14 |
| daviddelikat | perhaps 'dope' has changed sense, like bad == good | 17:14 |
| SDuensin | Thing is, the "dope" comment is the best one up there! | 17:14 |
| daviddelikat | yeah, I see the rest ow, -- took a while to load the rest... ( slow connetion ) | 17:15 |
| SDuensin | The other is happy it didn't destroy his other partition, and the last now likes W7 after he tweaked/fixed it. Amazing! | 17:15 |
| +BartJol | well, maybe they have a new policy for only talking about windows in understatements... | 17:15 |
| daviddelikat | yeah thats pretty funny | 17:15 |
| daviddelikat | gotta get an image of that... | 17:16 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 17:16 |
| SDuensin | I just checked. It's a shame my MS buddy isn't online right now. :-D | 17:16 |
| +BartJol | windows 7, the windows that didn't break all stuff | 17:16 |
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| daviddelikat | I've got screen prints | 17:17 |
| SDuensin | Just amazing. | 17:18 |
| SDuensin | Glad someone got copies. I'm stuck browserless halfway through an IE8 upgrade. | 17:19 |
| +BartJol | oh, mine went fine | 17:19 |
| daviddelikat | http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/597042/survived%20win%207.jpg | 17:19 |
| SDuensin | (And that's pronounced "Aye-Eeeeeeeeee!") | 17:19 |
| daviddelikat | http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/597042/iron%20win%207.jpg | 17:19 |
| daviddelikat | perhaps I should crop them a bit? | 17:20 |
| +BartJol | nice, that chat window in the background :) | 17:20 |
| SDuensin | What are you chatting with? I don't recognize it. | 17:21 |
| daviddelikat | pidgin | 17:22 |
| daviddelikat | its pretty nice | 17:22 |
| daviddelikat | even has a facebook plugin | 17:22 |
| SDuensin | Never used it for IRC. Cool. | 17:22 |
| +BartJol | chatting with pidgin too | 17:22 |
| daviddelikat | I recently found that you can very easily move you settings | 17:22 |
| daviddelikat | just copy the '.purple' folder from application settings | 17:23 |
| SDuensin | I'm taking the scenic route to get here... Windows->NX->SSH->LinuxBox->XChat->ZNC->IRC. :-) | 17:23 |
| daviddelikat | wow! | 17:23 |
| SDuensin | My IM path is even worse. :-) | 17:24 |
| daviddelikat | I don't have that kind of patience | 17:24 |
| SDuensin | But it lets me connect to IRC/IM from anywhere with any IRC client. I can connect multiple times and all the windows get updated at the same time. I can disconnect and it buffers what I miss for playback. I can even get it on my phone. | 17:25 |
| SDuensin | Well, all you'd need is the ZNC part. It's a bouncer. For IM, I put Bitlbee behind ZNC. | 17:25 |
| daviddelikat | I've thought about using a VM for my stuff | 17:25 |
| daviddelikat | I already VM my development | 17:25 |
| daviddelikat | so I never have to close my sessions | 17:26 |
| SDuensin | The NX/SSH stuff is how I'm punching through the firewall at work to get to my Linux desktop at home. It also lets me suspend and resume from elsewhere later. I've been logged in with XChat running for weeks now. :-) | 17:26 |
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| SDuensin | It's kind of neat. It's really shown me how little I rely on OS-specific software for my day-to-day. The only program I really miss having is 1Password. | 17:27 |
| +BartJol | well, that's considered save by some | 17:28 |
| +BartJol | safe | 17:28 |
| SDuensin | What's safe? | 17:28 |
| +BartJol | more than 1 passwd | 17:28 |
| SDuensin | I mean the Mac app "1Password". | 17:29 |
| +BartJol | ah | 17:29 |
| +BartJol | didn't know that | 17:29 |
| SDuensin | It's a really slick password manager. | 17:29 |
| SDuensin | I just need to find an open source one I like. Been too lazy since 1P does the job. | 17:29 |
| SDuensin | Here's a nice example of NX being very handy. Gotta reboot my PC. But I'm not leaving. :-) | 17:31 |
| +BartJol | mike, it's amaaaazing | 17:32 |
| daviddelikat | SDuensin: keeppass is open source. just released 2.? | 17:32 |
| daviddelikat | i'm still on 1.1 so I don't know what the new one looks like | 17:33 |
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| SDuensin | I'll look into it. | 17:34 |
| SDuensin | (See? All rebooted!) | 17:34 |
| daviddelikat | very nice | 17:34 |
| daviddelikat | http://keepass.info/ | 17:35 |
| SDuensin | Mono, eh? I guess I can live with that. | 17:36 |
| daviddelikat | one of these days there will be ~real~ portability | 17:36 |
| SDuensin | This box has "seahorse" password and key manager thingie on it. | 17:37 |
| daviddelikat | when people start building apps in LLVM | 17:37 |
| SDuensin | Technology-wise, I like Mono. Licensing, it's a bit spooky. | 17:37 |
| daviddelikat | LLVM apps you could run the same apps from USB on linux,mac,win and whatever else comes along | 17:38 |
| daviddelikat | I wonder how long it will be before I start seeing Win7 licenses in my E-Scrap... | 17:40 |
| daviddelikat | took less than a year for WinXP | 17:41 |
| SDuensin | Yea, LLVM is neat. A game engine I've been working on is going to use it to run under Flash. :-) | 17:41 |
| SDuensin | Parrot looks neat for cross-platform stuff, too. | 17:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I mistyped this: git commit -ac24e4ecc | 17:46 |
| +perlDreamer | and now it won't let me commit anymore | 17:46 |
| +perlDreamer | when I try to commit, it just gives me the standard command line prompt back | 17:46 |
| +perlDreamer | no error messages | 17:46 |
| +perlDreamer | nada | 17:46 |
| @Haarg | what were you intending to type? | 17:47 |
| @Haarg | and what do you get from git status | 17:47 |
| +perlDreamer | supposed to have typed git commit -ac 24e4ecc | 17:47 |
| +perlDreamer | git st shows nothing unusual: http://gist.github.com/226138 | 17:48 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, pre-commit hook tripped | 17:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I redirected all output to dev/null | 17:49 |
| +perlDreamer | because 1500 lines of passing is not good | 17:49 |
| SDuensin | Wish we could direct users there. | 17:49 |
| +perlDreamer | but then they wouldn't pay their bills | 17:50 |
| SDuensin | Half mine don't anyway. Bastards. | 17:50 |
| +BartJol | strange, tests for SetLanguage also pass with more languages installed, it's amazing | 17:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Nice work, BartJol | 17:55 |
| +BartJol | ah, only the macro fails | 17:55 |
| +BartJol | because 2 sets of tmpl_vars | 17:55 |
| +BartJol | or double loop actually | 17:55 |
| +perlDreamer | well, contact the author and report it as a bug | 17:56 |
| +perlDreamer | the t/International.t installs a fake language pack that you can use to test that behavior | 17:56 |
| +BartJol | I don't like the author | 17:57 |
| +BartJol | he pushes his own so called "features" into the core, without anyone asking but him | 17:57 |
| +perlDreamer | well, that last part may not be true | 17:58 |
| +perlDreamer | As part of WebGUI Statistics, JT collects which macros are enabled on a site | 17:58 |
| +perlDreamer | so, in a few months, you could ask him if anyone is using PickLanguage | 17:58 |
| +BartJol | oh, cool | 17:58 |
| +BartJol | let's bug him right away :) | 17:58 |
| +BartJol | but no-one asked me to do it, oh no that's not true either, bepo wanted something like that, but scared her away, that seems to happen with germans | 18:02 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, is your pre-commit hook using prove? why can't you just have it run in non-verbose mode? that would output like 4 lines if there weren't any errors. | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I was using perl for the hook | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | a few days ago, I added this to the end: 2>&1 | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | that was a mistake | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol, is it a good time to merge in your test branch? | 18:24 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r24e4ecc / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix an i18n typo in the EMS. - http://bit.ly/3CvSZ2 | 18:24 |
| +BartJol | well, I made a mess of all my git repo's | 18:24 |
| * perlDreamer will wait then :) | 18:24 | |
| * SDuensin still doesn't grok git. | 18:24 | |
| +BartJol | I use an account and have 3-4 repo's under it | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | git r0Xer$ | 18:25 |
| SDuensin | So I hear. | 18:25 |
| +BartJol | except the international and picklange and macrotesting repo's, it's a mess and I need to clean that up | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | let me know when you're ready | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, here's just 1 killer feature of git. It's called stash | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | let's suppose you're in the middle of working on something | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | and you have to drop what you're doing and work on a new project | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | in SVN, you'd have to make another checkout | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | in git, you say "git stash save" | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | and it rolls you back to HEAD, and save all of your work on a stack so you can pop it off later | 18:27 |
| SDuensin | That would be handy. | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | it's massively handy | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | My stack depth averages 1 on a day to day basis | 18:28 |
| SDuensin | I was just about to ask. :-) | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam++ for clueing me in | 18:28 |
| * perlDreamer heads off to a coffeeshop with Mrs Dreamer. bbiaw | 18:29 | |
| +BartJol | coffeeshop.... | 18:29 |
| SDuensin | I'm using Redmine for project & source control. I knew how SVN worked in it. GIT seems newer in their "support". | 18:29 |
| SDuensin | Food time here. Back sometime. | 18:31 |
| +BartJol | mmm it seems that I finally got it | 18:37 |
| +BartJol | or that I screwed up, and when my branche is merged, the whole of webgui disappears | 18:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | ahhh, coffeeshop! | 19:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, patspam | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | you poor, east coast jetlagged programmer | 19:49 |
| +patspam | hehe | 19:49 |
| +patspam | hey perlDreamer! | 19:49 |
| +patspam | just wired up my poor, jetlagged desktop pc | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | is it liking New York? | 19:49 |
| +patspam | it's still acclimatising :) | 19:50 |
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| +patspam | as is my wifi connection | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | did you see that I finally got in an ironman post? | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | and that someone else blogged about it? | 19:52 |
| +patspam | ooh not yet! | 19:52 |
| +patspam | I'm behind on my rss feeds | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | git pre-commit hook for webgui | 19:53 |
| +patspam | sweet, for test suite integration? | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah. although I'm just testing t/00_compile.t | 19:55 |
| +patspam | that's awesome | 19:56 |
| +patspam | man I get so many telemarketing calls here! | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a registry called the Do Not Call List. | 19:57 |
| +patspam | heh yeah, just googled it | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | also, if they call you, you can tel them, "Please add me to your Do Not Call list and do not call again." | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | and they have to do that | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | well, at least in Oregon. Not sure if that's a national law or not | 19:58 |
| +patspam | except they're all pre-recorded messages | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | those are illegal in Oregon, too | 19:59 |
| +patspam | I knew i should've moved to Oregon instead | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, except for that whole girlfriend thing... | 20:01 |
| * patspam heads out for lunch | 20:16 | |
| daviddelikat | how does WG handle the numeric i18n codes? | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | davidelikat, the same way it handles stringy i18n codes | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | except that you don't have to quote them in perl code | 20:22 |
| daviddelikat | but where are they stored? | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | which namespace are they in? | 20:23 |
| daviddelikat | do you need a specific i18n object? | 20:23 |
| daviddelikat | or are they on all of them? | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | no, but the i18n objects are created with a default namespace | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | so $i18n->get('key') only works if it's in the default namespace for that object | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | so, find where the object was instanciated and you'll know what the namespace is | 20:24 |
| daviddelikat | what neamsace are the numeric codes in? | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | what do you mean by "numeric code"? | 20:24 |
| daviddelikat | code 99 translates as untitled | 20:24 |
| daviddelikat | what namespace is it in? | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | again, you're asking the question backwards | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | to know what code 99 is, you have to know the namespace | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | since the keys are not globally unique | 20:25 |
| daviddelikat | I understand what you are saying | 20:27 |
| daviddelikat | but I was hoping to find out that there are some standard codes like 'untitled' that are available across the board | 20:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, each key is unique to its namespace | 20:28 |
| +perlDreamer | so you have to go digging to find out if they're defined in other namespaces | 20:28 |
| +perlDreamer | that's starting to sound like a good wgd plugin | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | wgd i18n key=99 | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | or wgd i18n search="some value/phrase/regex" | 20:29 |
| daviddelikat | do you know what module implements the i18n object? | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | International.pm | 20:29 |
| daviddelikat | ok course, why don't I ever think of that... | 20:30 |
| SDuensin | Anyone see this? http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=4443 | 20:30 |
| +perlDreamer | nope | 20:31 |
| SDuensin | Yet another market for them to half-ass. | 20:31 |
| +perlDreamer | we'll have to see if the code lives up to the projected hype | 20:31 |
| +perlDreamer | but know one thing for sure, it just got harder to sell WebGUI into Microsoft shops | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat: key 99 is in the Asset and WebGUI namespaces | 20:32 |
| SDuensin | "Microsoft Shops" worry me. Too much Kool-Aid drinking going around. | 20:33 |
| daviddelikat | yeah I found it | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | and it means Title in both cases | 20:33 |
| daviddelikat | I'm just wondering if I should make my own or use that one. | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | use that one | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | We have plans to flatten the namespaces in i18n, which will result in a smaller translation pack. | 20:34 |
| +perlDreamer | but for now, it makes the job of the translators easier | 20:34 |
| daviddelikat | sounds like a great idea | 20:34 |
| +perlDreamer | every once in a while, I go through and try to prune out duplicates | 20:34 |
| +perlDreamer | but it's a lot of work | 20:34 |
| +perlDreamer | and it almost guarantees breakage in private code | 20:35 |
| daviddelikat | it would be a good start to have a set of standard items which are imported into all namespaces ( possibly with numeric codes to eliminate problems ) | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | the importing into all namespaces is a problem | 20:36 |
| daviddelikat | not really: %target = ( %part1, %part2 ); | 20:37 |
| daviddelikat | just make sure that part1 is all text keys and part 2 is all numeric keys | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | all of the old, original WebGUI keys are numeric | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | but a lot of the newer ones aren't | 20:38 |
| daviddelikat | that is the point | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | so you wouldn't get all the useful ones | 20:39 |
| daviddelikat | all the new custom keys are text | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | like month and day names | 20:39 |
| daviddelikat | perhaps the get function needs to have a map? | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | get was tweaked to make it really fast | 20:41 |
| daviddelikat | like: return $h1->{key} || $h2->{key} || $h1->{$map{key}} | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | since i18n is one of the bottlenecks | 20:41 |
| daviddelikat | i guess that would eliminate many of the ways that would make it handy... | 20:41 |
| daviddelikat | fast and hany dont usually go together | 20:42 |
| daviddelikat | s/hany/handy/ | 20:42 |
| daviddelikat | I gotta git back to work | 20:42 |
| +perlDreamer | YES! | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I've fixed the Survey bug | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | it was a 1-line fix | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | now I have to yard out 50-100 lines of alert and debug code... | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I should check it in IE6, too | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | are there any safari-using devs who could check out a JS patch for me? | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | wait | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I... | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | no, my VM is out of disk space | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | still need a safari-using dev | 20:47 |
| daviddelikat | I can peak | 20:47 |
| daviddelikat | is this a url peak or an install and test peak? | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | install and test peek | 20:47 |
| daviddelikat | soryr, no time | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | no swet | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | sweat | 20:48 |
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| +patspam | perlDreamer: actually i lie, it has a basement.. does that qualify as 2 storeys? | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | storeys are above ground | 22:05 |
| daviddelikat | EMS Submissions are functional | 22:06 |
| daviddelikat | WooHoo! | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | all right! | 22:06 |
| daviddelikat | its only 1.5 weeks late | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | what's the secret sauce for hoverhelp over JSON/XHR? | 22:07 |
| daviddelikat | style sheet | 22:07 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 22:07 |
| daviddelikat | I had wq-hoverhelp.js but not wq-hoverhelp.css | 22:07 |
| daviddelikat | now I have to get the activity to commit changes... | 22:08 |
| daviddelikat | so if an activity returns 'WAITING' does it come back with the same session? | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | if you need persistent data, store it in the Workflow Instance's scratch | 22:12 |
| daviddelikat | I was trying to decide if I should commit when I return waiting or just when I return done | 22:12 |
| daviddelikat | I think it should commit in both cases | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know what you're trying to do, but in most cases "commit" happens way before any kind of post-processing or approval | 22:13 |
| daviddelikat | because there is no particular connection between the items created | 22:13 |
| daviddelikat | the submission is approved, and an EMSTicket record needs to be created | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | that sounds like it should be an autocommit | 22:14 |
| daviddelikat | if I process more than one row should I auto commit each row or just at the end? | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | think about how a user might want to handle rolling back version tags to undo a commit | 22:16 |
| daviddelikat | ooooh good catch | 22:16 |
| daviddelikat | probably one at a time | 22:16 |
| daviddelikat | thanks | 22:17 |
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| wgGuest72 | hi guys | 22:51 |
| @Haarg | greetings | 22:51 |
| @preaction | hi | 22:51 |
| wgGuest72 | i am really new to webgui | 22:52 |
| wgGuest72 | and am impressed by the sites that is running it right now | 22:52 |
| wgGuest72 | want to try it | 22:52 |
| wgGuest72 | but wont install | 22:52 |
| wgGuest72 | any ideas? | 22:52 |
| @preaction | what won't install? | 22:53 |
| wgGuest72 | i wanna start off using my wamp server | 22:53 |
| @preaction | debian package? perhaps try the vmware instance? | 22:53 |
| @preaction | ah | 22:53 |
| @preaction | so a source install | 22:53 |
| wgGuest72 | yes | 22:53 |
| wgGuest72 | am i doing something wrong | 22:54 |
| @preaction | what is happening? | 22:54 |
| wgGuest72 | or everything wrong? | 22:54 |
| @preaction | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/source-install <- here's an.. okay.. document i keep meaning to update | 22:54 |
| +perlDreamer | that document is pretty accurate | 22:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I keep using it with no problems | 22:55 |
| wgGuest72 | ok | 22:55 |
| wgGuest72 | i will go there right away | 22:55 |
| @preaction | yeah, if you skip the parts about compiling the crap you already have | 22:55 |
| @preaction | it clutters the real instructions, in my opinion | 22:55 |
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| @preaction | start with the big header that says "WebGUI" | 22:55 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we need a "distribution" install page | 22:55 |
| wgGuest72 | oh so perl is required for it to run? | 22:56 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 22:56 |
| @preaction | yes | 22:56 |
| +perlDreamer | it is not a Java or PHP or .NET application | 22:56 |
| @preaction | it's a mod_perl system | 22:56 |
| @preaction | oh, wait, wamp | 22:57 |
| @preaction | that's windows, no? | 22:57 |
| wgGuest72 | yes | 22:57 |
| @preaction | you're going to be better off trying the vmware appliance on http://getwebgui.org | 22:57 |
| wgGuest72 | ok wait..i have a web server | 22:57 |
| wgGuest72 | so what files do i need to get it up and running | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | running Linux, Unix, Solaris, FreeBSD, MacOS X? | 22:58 |
| wgGuest72 | hmm | 22:58 |
| @preaction | do you have command-line access to that web server? | 22:58 |
| wgGuest72 | no i havent had a reason to use that | 22:58 |
| wgGuest72 | so i guess i have more problems than i thought ..lol | 22:59 |
| @preaction | well, that's really the only one. | 22:59 |
| @preaction | but vmware player is free, and the vmware appliance is really easy to use | 22:59 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction is right, try the VMWare appliance if you want to try WebGUI on windows | 22:59 |
| @preaction | (you just start it up and then visit the right IP in your web browser) | 22:59 |
| @preaction | otherwise demo.webgui.org works as well | 23:00 |
| @preaction | well, for 24hrs at least | 23:00 |
| xdanger | Translating is hard =) | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | if you need help with terms, xdanger, we can help | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | and kudos for translating! | 23:00 |
| wgGuest72 | hmm | 23:00 |
| wgGuest72 | ok great guys | 23:00 |
| wgGuest72 | now these is a community | 23:01 |
| xdanger | perlDreamer: I'm having hard time translating the term Asset. There is now direct translation.. | 23:01 |
| xdanger | s/is now/is not/ | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | How about "resource", or "item" ? | 23:02 |
| @preaction | part? | 23:03 |
| @preaction | object? | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Piece | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | we should add those to the context for "Asset" in the main, English i18n | 23:03 |
| @preaction | probably be a good idea | 23:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm on it | 23:04 |
| @preaction | but the single word "asset" is everywhere | 23:04 |
| @preaction | but every little bit helps | 23:04 |
| +perlDreamer | have you had a chance to think about the skipNotification thing, preaction? | 23:04 |
| xdanger | item translates too closely to physical object | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | that's how we think of them, xdanger | 23:05 |
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| xdanger | but it translates to object, stuff, part | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:06 |
| xdanger | it's not something that any finnish will understand | 23:06 |
| xdanger | =) | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | ah | 23:06 |
| xdanger | Piece might work.. | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | in that case, you'll have to pick something that doesn't translate directly, than Finn's will understand. | 23:07 |
| xdanger | Piece/part | 23:07 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: no. i got some crappy-looking e-mails that appear to be from the Wiki though, so it at least works | 23:07 |
| xdanger | like a part for the motor | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | it works, you just can't ever turn it off | 23:08 |
| @preaction | you mean skipNotification? | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:09 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re20223c / lib/WebGUI/Shop/Pay.pm : Remove debug code. - http://bit.ly/1VKHPz | 23:09 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra51d693 / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset.pm : Better define the word, "Asset" in the i18n. - http://bit.ly/2QkkEp | 23:09 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0e70378 / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/ShipDriver_USPS.pm : Clarify how the insurance rate table works. - http://bit.ly/2rYsYd | 23:09 |
| @preaction | setSkipNotification doesn't work? | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe you could reread my email? I described how it's broken in there | 23:09 |
| wgGuest72 | guys is the right one | 23:10 |
| wgGuest72 | http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/1296 | 23:10 |
| @preaction | ah, i haven't been checking e-mail because it means i have to perform the tasks outlined | 23:10 |
| @preaction | wgGuest72: lord no, it's on sourceforge, one sec | 23:11 |
| wgGuest72 | ok | 23:11 |
| @preaction | it IS webgui, it's just very very old | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | isn't it time to build a new one, for 7.7? | 23:11 |
| @preaction | we have one, just not there | 23:11 |
| wgGuest72 | ok | 23:11 |
| xdanger | btw. has anyone implemented a resource reservation system? | 23:12 |
| @preaction | here's one for 7.6, http://sourceforge.net/projects/pbwebgui/files/VMWare%20Appliances/WebGUI%207.6.20%20_%20WRE%200.9.2%20_%20CentOS%205/webgui-7.6.20-wre-0.9.2-centos-5.zip/download | 23:12 |
| wgGuest72 | i use inmotionhosting..would anyone know if theysupport web gui | 23:12 |
| @preaction | it's 1.2G, just a warning | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I've planned one, but not built it yet, xdanger | 23:12 |
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| wgGuest72 | great..am downloading as we speak | 23:13 |
| +perlDreamer | xdanger, do you want me to email you what I've planned? | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | it's fairly rough | 23:14 |
| xdanger | I have a possible client that would require a reservation system for their truck washing service | 23:14 |
| xdanger | sure | 23:14 |
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| wgGuest72 | guys i will be back tomorrow.. | 23:17 |
| wgGuest72 | wanna be part of this community.. | 23:17 |
| wgGuest72 | thanks for ur help so far | 23:17 |
| +perlDreamer | You're welcome :) | 23:18 |
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| @preaction | bout time we got some props | 23:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | props? Are those like assets? | 23:19 |
| @preaction | props respect kudos recognition high five mad props | 23:20 |
| SDuensin | Someone needs to warn wgGuest72 that you already have a #1 fan. | 23:26 |
| SynQ | morning | 23:28 |
| SynQ | ;) | 23:28 |
| SynQ | due to frequent requests by some people (patspam, joeri) I'm picking up wre development | 23:28 |
| SynQ | is git version 1.5.6 new enough for me? | 23:28 |
| +patspam | morning SynQ! | 23:29 |
| +perlDreamer | that'll do it, SynQ | 23:29 |
| SynQ | heya patspam | 23:29 |
| SynQ | how it the usa doing? | 23:29 |
| +patspam | but 1.6.x would be even better | 23:29 |
| SynQ | well | 23:30 |
| SynQ | if I can use the 'out of the box' version | 23:30 |
| SynQ | for debian lenny | 23:30 |
| SynQ | I'm quite satisfied | 23:30 |
| @Haarg | it will work just fine, but whenever i use old versions i run into options that are missing | 23:30 |
| +patspam | yeah me too! | 23:31 |
| SynQ | ubuntu has 1.6.3 | 23:31 |
| @Haarg | but the file formats are all compatible | 23:31 |
| SynQ | I doubt I'm going to use very much of the options | 23:31 |
| @preaction | you might be surprised once you find out how useful they are ;) | 23:31 |
| SynQ | ok | 23:32 |
| SynQ | we'll see | 23:32 |
| SynQ | I'll get cracking on wre 0.9.4 then | 23:32 |
| SynQ | since I am not the one who is going to tackle the 64bit stuff 1.x is not for me | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ: will you be addressing the bug that was assigned to you? | 23:33 |
| SynQ | that I will | 23:33 |
| SynQ | and some others too | 23:33 |
| @Haarg | git checkout --track is always the option i miss when using git 1.5.x | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | Could someone please curse for me, for about 30 seconds? | 23:36 |
| @preaction | depends on what i'm cursing you for | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | for bad error checking, and not writing enough tests | 23:37 |
| @preaction | bah, happens to the best of us | 23:38 |
| @preaction | JT did one just the other day that you fixed, committed without even testing from the UI | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | that's why I wrote the git pre-commit hook | 23:39 |
| SynQ | having others curse for you is lame | 23:39 |
| @preaction | i did one a while ago, the email that gets sent out for the wiki has the wrong user | 23:39 |
| * perlDreamer will never write another syntax error again that gets committed | 23:39 | |
| @preaction | at least, i don't thin... oh wait wait, that was JT that edited that wiki page, hence "Admin" | 23:39 |
| @preaction | or else it was spectre that sent the message | 23:40 |
| @preaction | anyway, i think something's wrong | 23:40 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: cursing done | 23:41 |
| SynQ | it was hard, but I made it through that 30 seconds | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, man | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I hope Emma didn't have to hear that | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | it would blister her tender young ears | 23:41 |
| SynQ | nope | 23:44 |
| SynQ | she is asleep | 23:44 |
| SynQ | so is Tessa | 23:44 |
| SynQ | I have allready updated quite some packages | 23:45 |
| SynQ | like libjpeg wich is now at version 7 (used to be 6b) | 23:45 |
| SynQ | and apache and graphviz | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | make sure you add Locales::Country | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | and any other new ones from testEnvironment | 23:47 |
| SynQ | I won't do 7.8 requirements in 0.9.4 | 23:48 |
| SynQ | for that I will create a different WRE | 23:48 |
| SynQ | right now I'm only updating 0.9.3 to something that isn't broken on my systems | 23:49 |
| SynQ | cause 0.9.3 still uses some system libraries | 23:49 |
| SynQ | which isn't right | 23:49 |
| SynQ | and which makes it break on debian lenny with all packages updated | 23:50 |
| SynQ | I'm after my own itch today | 23:50 |
| * perlDreamer passes SynQ some Calamine lotion | 23:50 | |
| * SynQ chops of some of his aloe vera to mix with that | 23:51 | |
| @preaction | it's always going to need some system libs, like libc | 23:51 |
| SynQ | but not like openssl libraries | 23:52 |
| @preaction | i'd like to know what the WRE does that the python xml parsers don't like | 23:52 |
| @preaction | or App::Nopaste | 23:52 |
| SynQ | perl5.10.1 ? | 23:54 |
| SynQ | would you like that? | 23:54 |
| @preaction | indeed | 23:54 |
| @preaction | fixes Test::Class issues | 23:54 |
| SynQ | ok | 23:55 |
| SynQ | that is going in | 23:55 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfc6acc7 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Change how the shipping driver throws errors. Fixes bug #11202. - http://bit.ly/14UpdN | 00:17 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r340097f / (3 files in 3 dirs): Change how the shipping driver throws errors. Fixes bug #11202. - http://bit.ly/4jXX4d | 00:17 |
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| xdanger | In the v2 of the admin console spec the edit function is under dropdown menu from the options of the asset? 99% of the time user wants to edit the asset, so shouldn't it be visible all the time? | 01:11 |
| @preaction | xdanger: post your comments to the thread, i'm in-and-out and can't keep track of things right now | 01:12 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf9d97f2 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Always recreate the listener for the question and answer buttons, since their arguments change. Fixes bug #10985. - http://bit.ly/2vSuWx | 01:13 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re329f99 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Always recreate the listener for the question and answer buttons, since their arguments change. Fixes bug #10985. - http://bit.ly/4cUwBV | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | woot! More javascript | 01:13 |
| * perlDreamer is on a roll | 01:13 | |
| * preaction butters perlDreamer | 01:13 | |
| +perlDreamer | ew | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, /me is going to commit the skipNotification code | 01:14 |
| @preaction | k | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | you can review it from repo sometime before 7.8.5 in 13 days? | 01:15 |
| @preaction | yeah, i've kept your e-mail unread. monday i'll be catching up on everythig | 01:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | howdy, xdanger | 22:40 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r60d8ce3 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Fix name typos in the shopSaleNotificationGroupId. Fixes bug #11207 - http://bit.ly/2htwWJ | 23:15 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r942975d / (5 files in 4 dirs): Fix name typos in the shopSaleNotificationGroupId. Fixes bug #11207 - http://bit.ly/2L3Dbj | 23:15 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1028e37 / lib/WebGUI/Shop/Admin.pm : Supply a value, and a default value for Shop/Admin. - http://bit.ly/4dN8ZF | 01:33 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc3727be / lib/WebGUI/Shop/Admin.pm : Supply a value, and a default value for Shop/Admin. - http://bit.ly/1B9Snh | 01:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | in git, is it possible to undo a branch merge after it's been committed? | 01:52 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0aab1c1 / (3 files in 2 dirs): Fix POD whitespace issues in the EMS. - http://bit.ly/1ZMkp2 | 02:29 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r924686b / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix more POD whitespace problems in the EMS. - http://bit.ly/28b1A2 | 02:29 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfc68756 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Update tests for changes to skipNotification. - http://bit.ly/2uTTqi | 02:29 |
| +patspam | nasty bug! | 02:39 |
| +patspam | anyone know what hangs around between requests in a modperl instance? | 02:41 |
| +perlDreamer | the entire perl memory? | 02:44 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam: do you know how to revert branches? | 02:44 |
| +patspam | yes | 02:44 |
| +patspam | just committed locally? | 02:44 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 02:45 |
| +patspam | ouch | 02:45 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 02:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I've spent 1.5 hours fixing broken code and tests, and it's time to cut bait | 02:45 |
| +patspam | probably not too hard actually | 02:45 |
| +patspam | the merge commit is conceptually just another commit in the branch's timeline | 02:46 |
| +patspam | it's just special in that it has more than 1 parent | 02:46 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, that | 02:46 |
| +perlDreamer | that's where the -m comes in | 02:46 |
| +patspam | if it was only committed locally you'd obviously just reset HEAD to point to the pre-merge commit | 02:47 |
| +patspam | but since you can't re-write the history now that everyone else can see it | 02:47 |
| +patspam | I would think the sensible thing to do is just check in a new commit that results in all the files being in their pre-merge state | 02:48 |
| +perlDreamer | isn't that what git revert -m will do for me? | 02:49 |
| +perlDreamer | -m takes a parent number | 02:49 |
| +perlDreamer | I just don't know which one is which | 02:49 |
| +patspam | yeah that looks like the right command | 02:49 |
| +patspam | gitk is good for visualising the history | 02:49 |
| +patspam | or git-reflog | 02:50 |
| +patspam | reflog will show you where the branch tip was before the merge | 02:50 |
| +perlDreamer | gitk is showing me the parents | 02:53 |
| +perlDreamer | which one is "1"? :) | 02:53 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7aa60c7 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.8.3-7.8.4.pl : | 02:53 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Reverting EMS Submission Form. | 02:53 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: This reverts commit 69a997aff9233c4e4edc3c67ec8f70af25b1ce64. - http://bit.ly/3i2omp | 02:53 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4597dac / (6 files in 3 dirs): | 02:53 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Reverting EMS Submissions. | 02:53 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: This reverts commit 6932ddfeb3e1baf52d0e91280732f8d893e7b841. - http://bit.ly/40hlpn | 02:53 |
| +patspam | Survey's ExpressionEngine has a modperl instance caching bug, just took me about a day to find it | 02:55 |
| +perlDreamer | ouch | 02:55 |
| +patspam | gotta try to write a test case before i fix it | 02:55 |
| +perlDreamer | that's not going to be fun | 02:56 |
| +perlDreamer | going to use Mech? | 02:56 |
| +patspam | only if i have to! | 02:56 |
| +patspam | if i can recreate the bug in a regular perl process that'll be enough | 02:57 |
| +perlDreamer | true | 02:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I fixed some Survey JS bugs over the last few days | 02:57 |
| +patspam | yeah the front-end ain't great | 02:58 |
| +perlDreamer | it's better now, and i18n'ed | 02:58 |
| +perlDreamer | found an example of branch revert | 03:03 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.gitready.com/intermediate/2009/03/16/rolling-back-changes-with-revert.html | 03:03 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, the front-end bug was just cosmetic, since you can drag and drop stuff where you need it | 03:03 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3c985a5 / (17 files in 10 dirs): | 04:47 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Finish reverting EMS Submissions. | 04:47 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: This reverts commit aab3a74026d28a69de00bcd250f5b697df70d802. - http://bit.ly/4fbcYF | 04:47 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Patrick Donelan webgui-7.7 * r2be2ab4 / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 05:31 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: One-line fix for Survey ExpressionEngine bug that took over a day to find. | 05:31 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: One of the file-scoped lexicals in ExpressionEngine wasn't being initialised, | 05:31 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: which meant that tagged data was being cached across repeated engine runs | 05:31 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: (including, would you believe, across modperl page requests). | 05:31 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: The fix includes tests. - http://bit.ly/c3cEV | 05:31 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Patrick Donelan master * rbcd9994 / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 05:31 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: One-line fix for Survey ExpressionEngine bug that took over a day to find. | 05:31 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: One of the file-scoped lexicals in ExpressionEngine wasn't being initialised, | 05:31 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: which meant that tagged data was being cached across repeated engine runs | 05:31 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: (including, would you believe, across modperl page requests). | 05:31 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: The fix includes tests. - http://bit.ly/6Y35B | 05:31 |
| * patspam rejoices in bug fixedness | 05:31 | |
| +perlDreamer | patspam, that hurts. | 05:31 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, and it makes perfect sense | 05:32 |
| +perlDreamer | it's almost like the parallel cache problems that we fixed in the Shop | 05:33 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam, would you hate me if I ask you to revert those until after I finish the releases? | 05:33 |
| +perlDreamer | it'll mess up the tagging | 05:33 |
| +patspam | for sure | 05:34 |
| +patspam | sorry didn't realise you were releasing | 05:34 |
| +perlDreamer | it's an emergency, off-time release | 05:35 |
| +perlDreamer | many bad Shop bugs | 05:35 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Patrick Donelan master * r5899fa4 / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 05:38 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Revert "One-line fix for Survey ExpressionEngine bug that took over a day to find." | 05:38 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: This reverts commit bcd99945ca343db94e40676dec749c8c4744f6dd. - http://bit.ly/25a1kt | 05:38 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Patrick Donelan webgui-7.7 * r51c987d / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 05:38 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Revert "One-line fix for Survey ExpressionEngine bug that took over a day to find." | 05:38 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: This reverts commit 2be2ab4428988917d11d33bec801a7264aa1fd5e. - http://bit.ly/y0kJY | 05:38 |
| +perlDreamer | one down, one to go | 05:55 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rec38f50 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.8.5 development cycle. - http://bit.ly/3w7HFv | 06:00 |
| +patspam | perlDreamer - I'm about to crash out, are you cool to un-revert that Survey bugfix for me? | 06:06 |
| +patspam | once the release is done, that is | 06:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not sure how to | 06:07 |
| +perlDreamer | do I just revert the reversion | 06:07 |
| +patspam | what's the ETA on the release? | 06:07 |
| +perlDreamer | 2.5 hours more | 06:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I have to release both branches | 06:08 |
| @preaction | you can cherry-pick the original revision again | 06:08 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, cool | 06:08 |
| +perlDreamer | it's covered, patspam | 06:08 |
| +perlDreamer | you are go for crash | 06:08 |
| +patspam | sweet, thanks! | 06:08 |
| * patspam goes crash | 06:08 | |
| +perlDreamer | how's DC, preaction? | 06:08 |
| @preaction | much fun indeed | 06:09 |
| @preaction | thinking about moving out here | 06:09 |
| +perlDreamer | wow | 06:09 |
| +perlDreamer | that is fun | 06:09 |
| @preaction | lots of hot single chicks, nice locale, good public trans, just expensive as all get-out | 06:10 |
| @preaction | but then, this could be 4 drinks talking | 06:10 |
| * perlDreamer advises to look for nice, single chicks. Hot ones can burn you | 06:10 | |
| @preaction | but not really, cuz i was thinking like this before 4 drinks | 06:10 |
| +perlDreamer | but I'm also an old, married man | 06:11 |
| @preaction | oh no, no need to warn me there | 06:11 |
| @preaction | Hot, Smart, Sane, pick two | 06:11 |
| @preaction | (or Sexy Smart Sane, if you like alliteration) | 06:11 |
| @preaction | so 7.8.4 is an emergency bugfix for the Shop bug? | 06:12 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 06:12 |
| +perlDreamer | so is 7.7.25 | 06:12 |
| @preaction | k | 06:12 |
| +perlDreamer | we do know now that Spectre cannot handle 10,000 emails quickly | 06:13 |
| @preaction | saw the panic going on at TGC | 06:13 |
| @preaction | heh, i knew that ;) | 06:13 |
| @preaction | 40,000 takes 3 days | 06:13 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, I've probably single handedly sunk TGC | 06:13 |
| @preaction | even after maxing out sendmail settings | 06:13 |
| @preaction | oh pshaw | 06:13 |
| @preaction | the naysayers can go screw | 06:13 |
| @preaction | it was 5 orders, maybe | 06:14 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the drinks talking | 06:14 |
| @preaction | now you're just being hurtful, but i'll let that go | 06:15 |
| +perlDreamer | it's been a rough day, preaction, I'm sorry | 06:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I was supposed to build the International USPS shipping plugin | 06:15 |
| +perlDreamer | but instead spent it cleaning up bugs | 06:15 |
| @preaction | no worries, relax, it's late. do what you need to and take a day off | 06:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I may do that | 06:20 |
| +perlDreamer | or half a day, anyway | 06:20 |
| +perlDreamer | holy crap! | 06:22 |
| +perlDreamer | world's most expensive board game | 06:22 |
| daviddelikat | ok heres my test script: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d1b6c1ee6 | 06:23 |
| daviddelikat | think it'll work? | 06:23 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 06:25 |
| +perlDreamer | but how will we tell if it passed or failed? | 06:26 |
| daviddelikat | by looking at the big.test.log | 06:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | also, have a look at http://smoke.plainblack.com/ | 06:26 |
| daviddelikat | ideally it would email the log or a link to it | 06:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg modified buildbot to make that site | 06:27 |
| daviddelikat | so there is an automatic test system... | 06:28 |
| daviddelikat | quite amazing | 06:28 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, but it's broken | 06:28 |
| daviddelikat | I like the way the little boxes work | 06:28 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction has been wanting to build one in perl called Cradle | 06:28 |
| daviddelikat | whats broken? | 06:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know the details, but it's not making reports anymore | 06:29 |
| +perlDreamer | we can ask Mr. Haarg tomorrow what's up | 06:33 |
| daviddelikat | my little tester is having lots of failures... | 06:33 |
| daviddelikat | I did not restart the servers though... | 06:33 |
| daviddelikat | or do a reset. | 06:34 |
| +perlDreamer | since you did an addsite, you shouldn't need to | 06:34 |
| daviddelikat | I won't be around tomorrow | 06:34 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll ask Haarg, or you could post to the dev list | 06:34 |
| daviddelikat | I think that I definitely should have reset the servers | 06:35 |
| daviddelikat | getting lots of spectre errors | 06:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | what's the good word, tavisto? | 06:43 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re797e89 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.7.25 release. - http://bit.ly/1T9tC4 | 06:47 |
| +perlDreamer | yay, it's done | 07:13 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Patrick Donelan master * r804dbcf / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 07:14 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: One-line fix for Survey ExpressionEngine bug that took over a day to find. | 07:14 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: One of the file-scoped lexicals in ExpressionEngine wasn't being initialised, | 07:14 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: which meant that tagged data was being cached across repeated engine runs | 07:14 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: (including, would you believe, across modperl page requests). | 07:14 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: The fix includes tests. - http://bit.ly/2RC7LQ | 07:14 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Patrick Donelan webgui-7.7 * ra396584 / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 07:14 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: One-line fix for Survey ExpressionEngine bug that took over a day to find. | 07:14 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: One of the file-scoped lexicals in ExpressionEngine wasn't being initialised, | 07:14 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: which meant that tagged data was being cached across repeated engine runs | 07:14 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: (including, would you believe, across modperl page requests). | 07:14 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: The fix includes tests. - http://bit.ly/2AbNQA | 07:14 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rc71a910 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.7.26 development cycle. - http://bit.ly/1azGoE | 07:14 |
| +perlDreamer | releases are all done | 07:37 |
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| +BartJol | preaction? | 12:12 |
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| wgGuest78 | www.webgui.org | 13:35 |
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| SquOnk | Hi everyone | 16:05 |
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| SDuensin | Morning | 16:29 |
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| +BartJol | SDuensin: those microsoft citations are better now | 17:58 |
| SDuensin | Really? They changed them? | 17:58 |
| +BartJol | yeah, unfortunately | 17:59 |
| +BartJol | but we have the screenshots | 17:59 |
| SDuensin | Just proves how stupid they were. :-) | 17:59 |
| +BartJol | can we use those for blackmailing them? | 18:00 |
| SDuensin | Give 'em to /. | 18:00 |
| +BartJol | ah, that might be good | 18:01 |
| +BartJol | but they're not my copyright | 18:01 |
| SDuensin | Yea, MS certainly has the copyright on stupid. | 18:03 |
| +BartJol | well, there are different versions, which fall under differnt licences | 18:07 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: JT Smith master * r1304bf3 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Captcha.pm): The captcha form control had it's built in styles removed in favor of two classes: "wg-captchaForm" and "wg-captchaImage" - http://bit.ly/tz1kc | 18:11 |
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| +BartJol | well, rfe rejected, with the comment what I should ask, a rfe is quickly committed | 18:34 |
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| CIA-53 | wrebuild: JT Smith master * r505ce40 / (wre/docs/changelog.txt wre/sbin/wreconsole.pl): Fixed wreconsole crashes (#11208) - http://bit.ly/3xA6y5 | 19:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, folks | 20:35 |
| @Haarg | morning | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, is the github repo okay this morning? | 20:39 |
| @Haarg | that tag may be off | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll look into it | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | any suggestions on where to put the git pre-commit hook into the repository? | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm thinking a top level dev directory | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | we can put the perltidy RC file, the Perl::Critic config file in there too | 20:49 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Hi there | 20:50 |
| @Haarg | i think we want to leave the perltidy file where it is | 20:50 |
| @Haarg | so it gets used automatically | 20:50 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer, Haarg: How's the SynCon encoding bug doing these days? | 20:50 |
| @Haarg | no real progress | 20:50 |
| SquOnk | :( | 20:50 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: Have you pinpointed more or less what the problem is? | 20:51 |
| @Haarg | i know why it happens | 20:51 |
| @Haarg | but if i change that i know it is going to break another case that was fixed in the past | 20:51 |
| @Haarg | i need to get the tests working, but right now i can't get it to load a file that is using cyrillic | 20:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I'll make the directory, put the git hook in there, and update wgd to ignore the whole directory when doing a dist. | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | we can add/move stuff in there later if we wish | 20:54 |
| @Haarg | i may write another commit hook that does the same thing but only for files modified in the commit | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | that would run faster | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | just be sure you don't put 2>&1 at the end of it, like I did | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll hold off and let you do it, then | 20:56 |
| @Haarg | well, i think it would be better to just use prove | 20:56 |
| +perlDreamer | probably | 20:57 |
| SDuensin | Use: 2>&1 > justincase.log | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | no, Haarg is right. prove is designed for aggregating and summarizing TAP data | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | what I did was just silly | 21:23 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rc47bc2d / (2 files in 2 dirs): Update tree nav template to open ancestors, and self. Fixes bug #11134 - http://bit.ly/1rGFHq | 21:24 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r274e82e / (2 files in 2 dirs): Update tree nav template to open ancestors, and self. Fixes bug #11134 - http://bit.ly/10RZjD | 21:24 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb8137dc / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/Group.pm): Set a default for groups in addGroupsToGroupSave. Fixes bug #11203 - http://bit.ly/5s8mc | 21:34 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc10363b / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/Group.pm): Set a default for groups in addGroupsToGroupSave. Fixes bug #11203 - http://bit.ly/2CnaH2 | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going running | 21:47 |
| SDuensin | Too good not to share. http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/epic-fail-security-check-fail.jpg | 22:05 |
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| @tavisto | wow Sduesin, what type of websites are you visiting | 23:39 |
| @tavisto | j/k I see the failblog | 23:39 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r82e7e80 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix bug #11101. Folders from an earlier upgrade had their package flag set. - http://bit.ly/4iNPEd | 00:06 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd4ca728 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.8.4-7.8.5.pl : Reset isPackage and isDefault on every asset from the 7.6.35 to 7.7.17 upgrade. Fixes bug #11115 and #11106 - http://bit.ly/1VDVwt | 00:06 |
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| SquOnk | I need to create a special Auth plugin. I understand a subclass of WebGUI::Auth is needed. What are the minimal set of methods needed? | 00:19 |
| SquOnk | Is there any documentation on the subject I can read, besides WebGUI::Auth's source? | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | not really | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | and wg8 will obsolete your plugin | 00:19 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I can live with that :-) | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI::Auth is not really OO based | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | it's more plugin based | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | you probably need to implement ALL methods that Auth::WebGUI does | 00:20 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I see. | 00:20 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: This bank is going to use WebGUI for it's banking application. We'll build an Asset to do so, but authentication must be done through some webservices they provide | 00:21 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Using LDAP is out of the question because the online banking users aren't there and "for your security" the only way to access that info is through the webservices. | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | makes sense | 00:23 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: So we're writing WebGUI::Auth::Bankname | 00:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, dannymk is the only dev I know who has written an Auth plugin in the last 5 years | 00:55 |
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| vayde | hey preaction, perlDreamer | 01:21 |
| vayde | how you guys been? | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, vayde! | 01:22 |
| vayde | long time no type | 01:22 |
| vayde | what you been up to? | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | lots of hacking | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm fulltime now | 01:22 |
| vayde | awesome | 01:22 |
| vayde | same outfit? | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | no, working for myself now | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | www.perldreamer.com | 01:23 |
| vayde | congrats! | 01:23 |
| vayde | that's awesome! | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks :) | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | how 'bout yourself? | 01:24 |
| vayde | still with US Bank | 01:24 |
| vayde | I'm their chief apache/linux guy I guess you could say | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 01:25 |
| vayde | sorta the resident in hose open source dark lord | 01:25 |
| vayde | they really should use webgui, but they have their own thing | 01:25 |
| vayde | I'm so lucky to have worked briefly with PB before coming there | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | they'll learn | 01:26 |
| vayde | no, I doubt it. | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | really? | 01:26 |
| vayde | no, they'll move off perl to some sort of java thing | 01:26 |
| vayde | with a cobol backend | 01:26 |
| vayde | cos that's how the suits like to think | 01:26 |
| vayde | so, I'm down recoving from surgery, and finally have time to play a bit with webgui again | 01:28 |
| vayde | one problem, the wre tarball doesn't seem to have a wre.conf | 01:28 |
| vayde | is there a standard/basic/example somewhere? | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I think everyone is using the wreconsole to build that nowadays | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | but not being a big WRE user, I couldn't tell you one way or the other | 01:29 |
| vayde | yeah, it won't start withot the conf | 01:29 |
| vayde | mostly you build it from source yourself? | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 01:30 |
| vayde | yeah, I'll probably just go do that | 01:30 |
| vayde | easier | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I still run everything on Fedora | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | for now | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | It's starting to make me mad | 01:30 |
| vayde | heh | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | because their perl is so slow | 01:30 |
| vayde | I have to support rhel at work, and I do, but I'll stay ubuntu at home | 01:30 |
| vayde | so, when did you switch from kernel hacking to webgui support? | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | kernel hacking? | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I was a chip designer | 01:31 |
| vayde | oh yeah, right, that was it | 01:32 |
| vayde | It's been a while man, | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I know | 01:32 |
| vayde | and I'm still not all here. | 01:32 |
| vayde | majorly cut up | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | Why did you have surgery? | 01:32 |
| vayde | severe apnea | 01:32 |
| vayde | strangling 106 times per hour on average while I slept | 01:32 |
| vayde | makes life.... unpleasant | 01:32 |
| vayde | so my whole throat area has been reconstructed | 01:33 |
| vayde | it's a mess | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | good thing we're doing this via IRC instead of Skype | 01:33 |
| vayde | heh, yeah, my speaking voice aint much atm | 01:33 |
| vayde | I think I sound like a muppet | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | Hey, maybe Henson Studios is hiring | 01:34 |
| vayde | could be | 01:34 |
| vayde | but I'd be lost without a bash shell | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | Lots of bashing goes on with the Muppets | 01:36 |
| vayde | rofl I stand corrected | 01:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | man, getting international shipping data from the USPS is hard | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | they just vomited this huge XML chunk back at me | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe Data::Dumper will help | 01:39 |
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| David_ | hello i am trygin to upgrade 7.6.35 to 7.7.x and i am getting this error Adding account activation template to settings... DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Duplicate entry 'webguiAccountActivationTemplate' for key 1 at ../lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 137. | 03:59 |
| David_ | anybody can help please | 03:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, daviddelikat1, I'm here early | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | does anyone know how much an ITransact merchant account costs? | 00:08 |
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| elnino | hi all. isn't fedora the beta of suse? | 05:57 |
| @preaction | no, fedora is the beta of redhat | 05:57 |
| elnino | oh. ok. thanks. | 05:58 |
| elnino | all going well? | 05:58 |
| elnino | umm. I went to webgui.org, clicked on download, clicked on "webgui runtime environment" and was redirected to http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=51417&package_id=148913 and got a blank screen in FF3. Bad link? or is sourceforge down? | 06:08 |
| elnino | ie doens't work either. | 06:09 |
| @preaction | seems like sf is down | 06:10 |
| elnino | ok. thx. | 06:10 |
| elnino | there is a fedora distribution for wre, right? | 06:14 |
| elnino | that's all I wanted to know. | 06:14 |
| @preaction | i'm not sure, but the redhat one should work | 06:14 |
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| elnino | g'nite all! | 06:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat2, daviddelikat3, I'm here for a bit | 04:16 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam, I may be ready to join the Ubuntu throng | 04:17 |
| @preaction | oooh | 04:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I upgraded from FC10 to FC11 | 04:18 |
| +perlDreamer | and it didn't do the whole upgrade | 04:18 |
| +perlDreamer | GRUB was completely broken | 04:18 |
| @preaction | weird | 04:18 |
| +perlDreamer | and I had to hand upgrade 500 packages | 04:18 |
| @preaction | ouch | 04:18 |
| +perlDreamer | how was your week in DC, preaction? | 04:19 |
| @preaction | had a lot of fun, got a lot of work done | 04:19 |
| @preaction | exhausting but good | 04:19 |
| @preaction | wrote a whole new way to recover passwords for the Alumni group, hopefully I can see if it meets JT's muster | 04:20 |
| @preaction | it's a lot more intuitive than the one we have | 04:20 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 04:20 |
| @preaction | and cleaner, code-wise | 04:20 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like it might be good for 8 | 04:20 |
| @preaction | i'd hope for 7.9 if possible | 04:20 |
| @preaction | i've also been exploring Flex, and there are some really interesting things here | 04:21 |
| +perlDreamer | someone volunteered to help write macro tests | 04:21 |
| +perlDreamer | Flex? | 04:21 |
| +perlDreamer | like bison? | 04:21 |
| +perlDreamer | yacc? | 04:21 |
| @preaction | Flex == Flash for programmers | 04:21 |
| +perlDreamer | Someone just put out a Hulu viewer in HTML 5 | 04:21 |
| +perlDreamer | Flash could die | 04:21 |
| +perlDreamer | and it would be good | 04:22 |
| @preaction | nah, it won't | 04:22 |
| @preaction | with AIR, flash moved to the desktop | 04:22 |
| @preaction | they're working on a flash runtime for the iPhone | 04:22 |
| @preaction | i agree that flash for video is pass?, but flash for games and/or internet applications is coming up | 04:22 |
| @preaction | games not like little minigames, but full MMOs and FPSs and RTS and etc... | 04:23 |
| +perlDreamer | you really think so? | 04:23 |
| @preaction | yep | 04:23 |
| @preaction | AIR works on linux, for example, even if the flash plugins do not | 04:24 |
| @preaction | imagine desktop apps that interact with WebGUI sites | 04:24 |
| @preaction | and a flash app for those who don't want to install the desktop app | 04:24 |
| @preaction | and i would really really like to know why Ant just does not work on my system... | 04:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd like to know why Flash doesn't work on my system | 04:28 |
| @preaction | because Adobe are jerks | 04:28 |
| +perlDreamer | my kids can't play the tweetsie train game anymore | 04:30 |
| +perlDreamer | that is terrible | 04:30 |
| +perlDreamer | very odd | 04:46 |
| +perlDreamer | ah ha! | 04:47 |
| +perlDreamer | the secret to flash support under FC11 is to remove libflashsupport | 04:47 |
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| @preaction | that's a little bit counter-intuitive ;) | 05:00 |
| +perlDreamer | oh no it isn't | 05:01 |
| +perlDreamer | oh yes it is | 05:01 |
| +perlDreamer | oh no it isn't | 05:01 |
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| elnino | hi! | 05:14 |
| elnino | this is beeen bugging me for a while, and I don't know if it's my system or not, search on cs JUST doesn't work. | 05:15 |
| elnino | sorry, not cs, but a wiki | 05:15 |
| elnino | I have a wiki called blogs | 05:15 |
| elnino | and the search doesn't pick it up when I search blog or blogs | 05:15 |
| elnino | do I have to do a reindex of a search or something? or ??? | 05:16 |
| daviddelikat3 | well I just pushed the EMS sumbission system -- again | 06:22 |
| daviddelikat3 | and it was SOME Bission | 06:22 |
| daviddelikat3 | or was it SUB Mission | 06:23 |
| daviddelikat3 | cant remember | 06:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | let's pull and double check, just in case | 06:39 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat3, there are still dav::log calls in there... | 06:41 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8568323 / lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/CleanupEMSSubmissions.pm : Fix syntax errors. - http://bit.ly/1KYUdr | 06:48 |
| +perlDreamer | also, there were bad symlinks checked in | 06:57 |
| +perlDreamer | it's all cleaned up, and I'm rerunning the test suite to double check | 06:57 |
| +perlDreamer | test suite is clean | 07:07 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r736166e / t/Search.t : Use the right test with the right comment. - http://bit.ly/1PASrQ | 07:07 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r9178de0 / t/Search.t : Use the right test with the right comment. - http://bit.ly/1opLVl | 07:07 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd8af803 / lib/WebGUI/Paginator.pm : Clarify POD for the setAlphabeticalKey method. - http://bit.ly/47z9XO | 08:11 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1d9ec02 / (t/DatabaseLink.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): Test cleanup and tracking of Database Links. - http://bit.ly/2FRmxl | 08:43 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rdbf86bb / (t/DatabaseLink.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): Test cleanup and tracking of Database Links. - http://bit.ly/2zm8eV | 08:43 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1c20f13 / (lib/WebGUI/DatabaseLink.pm t/Macro/SQL.t): 100% coverage on t/Macro/SQL.t. Refactor DatabaseLink. - http://bit.ly/277Lgq | 08:54 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r50474a5 / (lib/WebGUI/DatabaseLink.pm t/Macro/SQL.t): 100% coverage on t/Macro/SQL.t. Refactor DatabaseLink. - http://bit.ly/yid5l | 08:54 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | good morning, webgui folks! | 18:01 |
| SDuensin | Ugh. Not so loud. | 18:01 |
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| @Haarg | morning perlDreamer | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | had any SQL cleanup epiphanies, Haarg? | 18:05 |
| @Haarg | my immediate thought about that was to have addToCleanup also accept sub references and add them to the cleanup code. but that won't be ideal if we want to do SQL in a lot of places. | 18:06 |
| @Haarg | the other option is just to add a new sub for SQL cleanup | 18:08 |
| SDuensin | SQL cleanup? Like no JSON in the DB? :-P | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | this is just for tests, SDuensin | 18:20 |
| SDuensin | Hey, I gotta get my shots in when I can! | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | if we can remove every END block in all the tests, we can use a certain perl module to help us speed them up | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, having addToCleanup accept anonymous subs would not only handle SQL issues, but all other cleanup type stuff as well | 18:27 |
| @Haarg | yeah, that was my thought | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | although I don't know how much more of that we're going to need | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | why wouldn't it work in lots of places? | 18:28 |
| @Haarg | it would work, but if we need to run arbitrary sql in a lot of places it isn't ideal | 18:29 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0873e7a / README : Remove file imported from UPS branch - http://bit.ly/ztt0F | 18:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, BartJol | 19:03 |
| +BartJol | g'devening sir | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | did you see we had a new person volunteer to start writing tests? | 19:06 |
| +BartJol | yes lrobinson right? | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah! | 19:07 |
| +BartJol | I know her from semthing... | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | the email said, "Luke" | 19:08 |
| +BartJol | oh | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | but perhaps you're thinking crobinson? | 19:08 |
| +BartJol | then I'm totally wrong | 19:08 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: did you hear Joeri is daddy? | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I did hear that | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | does the baby have a name? | 19:11 |
| +BartJol | alas, no first news | 19:11 |
| +BartJol | Elsa Sophie | 19:11 |
| +BartJol | Zeestraten (leonie's family name) | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | so she doesn't have Joeri's surname? | 19:12 |
| +BartJol | nope | 19:13 |
| +BartJol | but, don't worry, you won't be able to pronounce that either | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | de Bruin is easy to pronounce | 19:13 |
| dreamersgirl | :) | 19:13 |
| dreamersgirl | Tell him congratulations if you see him! | 19:13 |
| +BartJol | I will, not sure when, but he's online now | 19:15 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we could all chip in and send Joeri one of these: http://www.thinkgeek.com/geek-kids/newborn-infant/c754/ | 19:17 |
| +BartJol | mmm | 19:17 |
| +BartJol | dreamersgirl: Joeri sends his regards and thanks | 19:17 |
| dreamersgirl | :) | 19:18 |
| dreamersgirl | I like this one better: http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/kids/59cc/ | 19:18 |
| +BartJol | now he's of for dinner | 19:18 |
| dreamersgirl | what is his handle? | 19:19 |
| +BartJol | er? | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | dapperedodo | 19:19 |
| +BartJol | eeeh, i thought lovehandle... | 19:20 |
| dreamersgirl | that's what i thought. he wasn't in channel, was he? or am i losing my mind? | 19:22 |
| +BartJol | no he wasn't | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | no, he wasn't in here | 19:22 |
| +BartJol | he was online, only for me | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | you are losing your mind, though | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | only 3 hour of sleep last night! | 19:22 |
| * perlDreamer reminds dreamersgirl of the negative effects of lack of sleep on endocrine and hormonal functioning | 19:23 | |
| dreamersgirl | funny--topic of the day is mood disorders | 19:23 |
| +BartJol | it seems I'm just confused | 19:24 |
| dreamersgirl | no, BartJol. I am. And now I'm spreading confusion around. Sorry. | 19:24 |
| dreamersgirl | I'm in class right now and the professor is discussing mood disorders--depression, bipolar disorder, etc. | 19:25 |
| +BartJol | now, I'm getting confused, I thought I was confused, but it was only you, but now I'm getting confused, so yoiu are less confused? | 19:25 |
| +BartJol | is there a balance? | 19:25 |
| dreamersgirl | exactly | 19:25 |
| +BartJol | ah | 19:25 |
| +BartJol | didn't know that | 19:26 |
| dreamersgirl | maybe i should pay more attention in class. that may help my confusion.... | 19:27 |
| +BartJol | DO NOT FOCUS! | 19:27 |
| +BartJol | oh, sorry | 19:27 |
| dreamersgirl | sure you are | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | stupid tomcat is yowling through the house again | 19:28 |
| dreamersgirl | sorry--i kept him up late partying last night | 19:29 |
| +BartJol | well, just try to explain to your teacher that a Dutch guy is bothering you | 19:29 |
| +BartJol | parties are good | 19:29 |
| dreamersgirl | it wasn't a fun party | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | It was a paper-writing party | 19:29 |
| dreamersgirl | well, maybe for the cat. not for me. | 19:29 |
| +BartJol | it is dinner tim now | 19:30 |
| +BartJol | I should get some grub\ | 19:30 |
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| dreamersgirl | And I should go to class. | 19:30 |
| +BartJol | ok, later | 19:31 |
| dreamersgirl | Enjoy your grub! | 19:31 |
| +BartJol | thanks | 19:31 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r4a638d3 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/HTMLArea.pm): Help HTMLArea handle odd form names. Fixes bug #11209 - http://bit.ly/33spPm | 20:00 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rce84be0 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/HTMLArea.pm): Help HTMLArea handle odd form names. Fixes bug #11209 - http://bit.ly/mWEJq | 20:00 |
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| dreamersgirl | theophylline | 20:14 |
| +perlDreamer | gesundheit | 20:14 |
| dreamersgirl | oops, sorry. wrong window! | 20:14 |
| dreamersgirl | Danke | 20:14 |
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| * perlDreamer is starting to want $session->url->yui to save some typing | 20:49 | |
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| @preaction | i'm about to setup an ldap/ldaps server on smoke, is there any other service that the smoke tests need? | 21:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | there are no LDAP tests yet | 21:06 |
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| @preaction | yeah, and we regressed. hence i'm making an ldap server on smoke to make ldap tests | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | we regressed? What happened? | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | also, there's a way to build a fake LDAP server for testing | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | It's on CPAN | 21:17 |
| @preaction | eh, this is easier and fewer deps | 21:19 |
| +perlDreamer | is smoke working again? | 21:19 |
| @preaction | it should be | 21:19 |
| @preaction | i think just my RSS hack isn't working right | 21:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: all recent links on smoke.plainblack.com point to non-existant pages | 22:27 |
| +perlDreamer | or is that the RSS hack you were talking about? | 22:27 |
| @preaction | no.. damnit | 22:28 |
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| elnino | any one have bugzilla, cvs and webgui on the same machine? | 22:37 |
| @preaction | that doesn't sound like any fun at all | 22:37 |
| elnino | no? I really want to use wre, but am tempted to opt out on it this time around. =( Don't want to mess a around to much. | 22:39 |
| @preaction | i was more thinking the bugzilla and cvs support | 22:39 |
| @preaction | is there a reason it's cvs and not svn or something more modern? | 22:39 |
| elnino | oh, it may be svn.. hold on. I get them messed up. | 22:40 |
| @preaction | bugzilla has a modperl mode, iirc, so you can just make a bugzilla.modperl file in the WRE | 22:40 |
| elnino | yes. svn | 22:40 |
| @preaction | okay, then we have both svn and webgui running on plainblack.com | 22:40 |
| @preaction | svn is running its own httpd on a different port, and modproxy is handling the reverse proxy | 22:41 |
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| elnino | I see I have some more investigation to do... | 22:46 |
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| @preaction | it's mostly apache configuration acrobatics | 22:49 |
| @Haarg | our svn doesn't use a reverse proxy, it runs on a different IP | 22:55 |
| elnino | bugzilla shouldn't have a problem using webgui's perl, right? just as long as it's in the path? | 22:55 |
| elnino | and the additional mod's it needs are installed. | 22:56 |
| @Haarg | it should work fine with webgui's perl | 22:56 |
| elnino | so... svn gets it's own port and it's own apache/svnserve (I dont' know what is used yet), and bugzilla uses webgui's mysql and perl instanace. | 22:57 |
| elnino | right? | 22:58 |
| elnino | svn has it's own propritory db so nothing to do there. | 22:58 |
| @Haarg | you could do it in a number of ways, but you could run svn in either the modperl or modproxy servers | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | what does this mean: http://gist.github.com/230286 | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | my i18n'ed modified template attachments JS wasn't working in IE7, so I ran it through jslint | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | and it spewed back that message | 23:24 |
| @Haarg | i'm not sure about the wrapped in an if thing | 23:24 |
| @Haarg | but if you do a for loop like that on objects it sometimes gives you extra items that you wouldn't expect, such as methods | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, yes. | 23:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I remember that from Javascript, the Good Parts | 23:25 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a very small, slim book | 23:25 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rff0cfa0 / (4 files in 4 dirs): | 23:28 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: i18n the template attachments, fixes bug #11186 | 23:28 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Also, rework some of the JS code according to jslint. - http://bit.ly/1i56JG | 23:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | OSCON is coming back to Portland | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | pack your bags! | 23:39 |
| @preaction | ooh when? | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | July 19-23 | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I can probably offer a place to crash | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | but it's a long haul in to the Convention Center | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | about 53 minutes by lightrail | 23:52 |
| dreamersgirl | not that you've timed it or anything... | 23:57 |
| --- Day changed Tue Nov 10 2009 | ||
| +perlDreamer | oh no | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | speaking of timing, I have to go get some kids from the store | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I like to get there early, so they're fresh | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | be back in 34 minutes | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | with a standard variance of 2.3 minutes | 00:03 |
| dreamersgirl | i'll be off by then | 00:06 |
| dreamersgirl | later! | 00:06 |
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| @preaction | where should i put the info for connecting / using smoke's ldap server? | 00:26 |
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| @preaction | we're supposed to use Scope::Guard for cleanup in tests now, right? | 00:44 |
| @preaction | like if i need to delete an ldap link? | 00:44 |
| @Haarg | that's probably the best way, yes | 00:45 |
| @preaction | easiest way to prove we have a shitty API: Write a test for it... | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, I added a cleanup mode for DatabaseLink's yesterday. | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | LDAPLinks should work the same way | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | with a test to prevent the deletion of the default one | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | ++trex | 01:30 |
| @preaction | indeed | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | can you grab that as part of your testing work? | 01:34 |
| +perlDreamer | also, here's irony. I'm installing IE8 to try and debug some javascript | 01:34 |
| vayde | wow, that's like sacrificing a goat for animal rights | 01:39 |
| vayde | you know about firebug dontcha pd? | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I do, but of course, the JS works in FF | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | and it's not throwing any errors in IE | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | it's just not working | 01:42 |
| vayde | yeah, catch 22 there. no good debug tools in IE | 01:43 |
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| @preaction | actually IE 8 has a pretty nice debugger | 01:46 |
| vayde | yeah? | 01:46 |
| vayde | that's nice to hear | 01:46 |
| vayde | how you been preaction? | 01:46 |
| @preaction | same old, working on making webgui better | 01:53 |
| @preaction | trying to stem the tide of shoddy fixes and regressions with my temporary minion, Colin | 01:53 |
| @preaction | yourself? | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | that's short term, not temporary | 01:56 |
| vayde | oh, resident barbarian horde in corporate america | 01:56 |
| vayde | I loot, pillage and burn with appalling regularity | 01:56 |
| @preaction | what does one even call a minion without a super villian? | 01:57 |
| @preaction | i mean, antagonist | 01:57 |
| vayde | lonely? | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | we have a villian | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | but we do not often speak his name | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | He is the Regressor | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | evil perpretator of multiple mistakes | 01:59 |
| vayde | heh. yeah, I can imagine that gets to be more and more of a threat every day | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | speaking of which, preaction, any clue as to why the DataTable doesn't output the DataTable inside a row and table cell? | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | is that on purpose for some reason? | 02:00 |
| @preaction | huh? | 02:00 |
| @preaction | you mean a nested table? | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | it's making <table><table id="DataTable_container> rows and columns </table></table> | 02:01 |
| @preaction | that's... weird | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | ya | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm looking for anything that will help with this DataTable bug that JT found | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not throwing any errors or warnings | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | for the data table, it just draws an empty header cell | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | with no label | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | and no content or anything underneath it | 02:03 |
| +perlDreamer | also, no buttons for help, add or delete | 02:03 |
| +perlDreamer | very strange | 02:03 |
| @preaction | is there a stable release tomorrow? | 02:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, I've made so many releases in last 10 days I don't remember who is supposed to be next | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll check | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, it's stable tomorrow | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | unless I've catatrosphically mucked something else up and have to do more off-time releases | 02:08 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r88a4327 / (lib/WebGUI/Auth/LDAP.pm t/Auth/LDAP.t): fixed #11218: LDAPS does not create users automatically - http://bit.ly/tbUj9 | 02:10 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r26a212f / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : add changelog - http://bit.ly/3xwdsi | 02:10 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rd5c2275 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.8.4-7.8.5.pl : make the upgrade shut up - http://bit.ly/3gkSyL | 02:10 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rec30672 / (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed #11218: LDAPS does not create users automatically - http://bit.ly/tdIhi | 02:10 |
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| CIA-53 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r9e0f791 / wre/docs/install.txt : Add a note about SELinux, and how it won't work with the WRE. Fixes bug #10703 - http://bit.ly/17JSeQ | 02:11 |
| CIA-53 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r3f0fc60 / (7 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/wrebuild - http://bit.ly/42EYlI | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ: I made a documentation change to the WRE, install.txt. | 02:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | son of a gun | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | that did it! | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | but I may have found a codeEditor bug, too | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | code-editor.js, line 289 (this._getSelection is null) | 02:22 |
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| @preaction | yeah, that's been a consistent problem | 02:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | should we do an existance check on that key before calling methods through it? | 02:34 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, adding the TR and TD tags to the table fixed the DataTable in IE8 | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | now checking IE7 | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | and then I'm going to check Susan's default time zone bug | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | and then I'm going to fix dinner | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | which does not involve bugs | 02:38 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9d14e8b / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 02:50 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Fix rendering of initial DataTable in IE7, IE8. Fixes bug #11205. | 02:50 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Added TR, TD tags to table containing the DataTable. Also, | 02:50 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: ran dataTable.js through jslint and fixed many issues. - http://bit.ly/284pru | 02:50 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rab6811e / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 02:50 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Fix rendering of initial DataTable in IE7, IE8. Fixes bug #11205. | 02:50 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Added TR, TD tags to table containing the DataTable. Also, | 02:50 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: ran dataTable.js through jslint and fixed many issues. - http://bit.ly/1V7FVU | 02:50 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, $session->setting will automatically restore itself at the end of the test | 02:51 |
| +perlDreamer | no need to clean it up | 02:51 |
| @preaction | i'm not cleaning it up, i'm making sure it doesn't interfere with the next test | 02:56 |
| @preaction | (and that final test, the next test is unwritten) | 02:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I see | 03:04 |
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| SquOnk | Hello everyone | 15:25 |
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| ryuu_ro | hi guys | 15:26 |
| ryuu_ro | anybody an idea why in the extras yui dir the beta version of element is included? | 15:26 |
| ryuu_ro | in 7.7.25 that is | 15:27 |
| ryuu_ro | and 7.7.21 also has the beta included | 15:28 |
| ryuu_ro | as far as i remember this used to be a stable version | 15:28 |
| +bartjol | ah, memory, the illusionist of the mind | 15:41 |
| ryuu_ro | ok Bart, time to answer my question | 15:42 |
| +bartjol | you should go now | 15:42 |
| ryuu_ro | thanks | 15:42 |
| ryuu_ro | :) | 15:42 |
| +bartjol | but, sorry, I don't | 15:42 |
| +bartjol | know | 15:42 |
| ryuu_ro | dev list it is | 15:43 |
| +bartjol | isn't there anything in the changelog? | 15:43 |
| SquOnk | Any news on the SynContent encoding bug? | 15:43 |
| +bartjol | not afaik | 15:43 |
| ryuu_ro | well the encoding is not working for me | 15:44 |
| ryuu_ro | yet | 15:44 |
| SquOnk | Meh | 15:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | bartjol, I only have a little time before I need to take kids to school | 17:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Next RFE day is next monday | 17:44 |
| +bartjol | yes | 17:44 |
| +perlDreamer | let's work on some of the international RFEs together | 17:44 |
| +perlDreamer | you game? | 17:44 |
| +bartjol | ooh, well, I suppose | 17:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm thinking about the choice of language one | 17:45 |
| +perlDreamer | and also Martien's one for copying language into the core | 17:45 |
| +bartjol | so the base site language? | 17:45 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 17:45 |
| +bartjol | yes there is some overlap in those | 17:45 |
| +bartjol | I believe | 17:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not so sure | 17:45 |
| +perlDreamer | in any case, we should be able to bust them out quickly | 17:46 |
| +perlDreamer | also, how 'bout them tests? | 17:46 |
| +perlDreamer | gotta scoot | 17:46 |
| +bartjol | haven been able to look at that | 17:46 |
| +bartjol | gotta reserve some time for it this week | 17:47 |
| daviddelikat3 | I **** browser compatibility | 17:54 |
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| +bartjol | I like compatibility, but dtest incompatability :P | 17:55 |
| daviddelikat3 | hey perlDreamer I figured out how I should have retrieved my files last saturday | 17:55 |
| daviddelikat3 | browser compatibility is like military inteligence | 17:55 |
| daviddelikat3 | it looks like it but it isnt | 17:55 |
| daviddelikat3 | that is compatible | 17:56 |
| +bartjol | :) | 17:59 |
| +perlDreamer | what's the magic invocation, daviddelikat3? | 18:00 |
| daviddelikat3 | well I was trying to checkout the old versions of the files | 18:00 |
| daviddelikat3 | but what I didn't do was make a branch first | 18:00 |
| daviddelikat3 | you can't checkout out of a commit | 18:00 |
| daviddelikat3 | but you can make a branch at any commit point | 18:00 |
| daviddelikat3 | and checkout of the brance | 18:01 |
| daviddelikat3 | branch | 18:01 |
| daviddelikat3 | its actually very cool | 18:01 |
| +perlDreamer | nice | 18:01 |
| daviddelikat3 | and would have got me back on track very quickly | 18:01 |
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| daviddelikat3 | but I didn't really understand branches | 18:01 |
| daviddelikat3 | now I do | 18:01 |
| daviddelikat3 | now I'll be using them much more | 18:02 |
| +perlDreamer | branches are cool | 18:02 |
| daviddelikat3 | I hope can delete branches... | 18:02 |
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| daviddelikat3 | otherwise our tree is going to be pretty crowded | 18:03 |
| +perlDreamer | git branch -d | 18:03 |
| +perlDreamer | git branch -D | 18:03 |
| +perlDreamer | either way | 18:03 |
| daviddelikat3 | yeah | 18:03 |
| daviddelikat3 | I've been mostly reading about creating them using checkout | 18:03 |
| daviddelikat3 | I'll have to look at branch next | 18:03 |
| daviddelikat3 | but first I have to check off some items from my TODO list | 18:04 |
| daviddelikat3 | can i export WG users in a package? | 18:05 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 18:05 |
| daviddelikat3 | bummer | 18:05 |
| +perlDreamer | but... | 18:05 |
| +perlDreamer | you can build a SQL Report that produces a file that userImport.pl will take | 18:06 |
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| daviddelikat3 | I just want to have some users that I can import to my dev system | 18:06 |
| daviddelikat3 | it would be really cool if 'wgd reset' cold run a few scripts when it does a dev reset | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | --util | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | you need to upgrade your wgd :) | 18:07 |
| daviddelikat3 | I guess so | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I keep a file like this laying around: http://gist.github.com/230988 | 18:08 |
| daviddelikat3 | I'm falling behind on everything | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | so that I can import a bunch of users quickly | 18:08 |
| daviddelikat3 | thanks | 18:09 |
| daviddelikat3 | I'll just keep that one | 18:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: good morning | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I have a User question for you | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | when users are created, do they get user profile defaults from Visitor? | 18:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haaarg, did you see my earlier question about users and profile field defaults? | 18:44 |
| @Haaarg | nope | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | when users are created, do they get user profile defaults from Visitor? | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | note, this is a trick question | 18:45 |
| @Haaarg | i know they did at one point, don't know if that has changed | 18:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | if a user is created by create, it gets defaults from the user profile field | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | but if a user is created via Operation/User, it gets defaults from Visitor | 18:46 |
| @Haaarg | heh | 18:46 |
| @Haaarg | fun | 18:46 |
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| @preaction | if there are a bunch of things that are shared between a couple objects, should I create a role or a base-class to inherit them from? | 19:26 |
| @preaction | a bunch means 2 or 3 methods | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | like what kinds of methods? | 19:27 |
| @preaction | a clone method that creates a new object by serializing and deserializing | 19:27 |
| @preaction | a constructor that translates one object into another | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought that Clone provided one of those | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | but I think it's worth having a base class for | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | although, if we ever start using Class::DBI or Moose, we shouldn't need it anymore | 19:28 |
| @preaction | that's one downside, another is the added complexity | 19:29 |
| @preaction | it's the FormBuilder, there's already some weird inheritance going on there with the Roles | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | if that's true, maybe it wants to fallback to being class based? | 19:29 |
| @preaction | no, the three roles that are there should be there | 19:30 |
| @preaction | otherwise it would be copy/paste code | 19:30 |
| @preaction | this other stuff isn't quite copy/paste. some identifiers need to be changed between the two | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know the details of what you're doing, but class based inheritance isn't copy/paste | 19:31 |
| wgGuest65 | \nick daviddelikat_at_work | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | wrong slash, wgGuest65 | 19:34 |
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| daviddelikat_at_ | i guess theres a limit to the length of a nick... | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | reading through ProfileField, I'm reminded of a line from the Tim Burton Batman movie | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | This code needs an enema | 19:38 |
| elnino | ew | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | potty talk in channel | 19:52 |
| * perlDreamer goes to the bathroom to wash out his keyboard with soap | 19:52 | |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r0818f12 / (5 files in 4 dirs): Users always get default profile field values from the profile field. Fixes bug #11215 - http://bit.ly/3A1AtS | 20:01 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r858c148 / (5 files in 4 dirs): Users always get default profile field values from the profile field. Fixes bug #11215 - http://bit.ly/3nJkLl | 20:01 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell formbuilder * rcef7c9c / lib/WebGUI/FormBuilder.pm : added clone to FormBuilder - http://bit.ly/19pWf5 | 20:01 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r3d4175a / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Map.pm): fixed #11220: Map asset badly broken - http://bit.ly/16PG97 | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction++ | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | that was fast | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | feel up to a few other bugs, perhaps? | 20:09 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * ra182524 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Map.pm): fixed #11220: Map asset badly broken - http://bit.ly/2XU1d | 20:10 |
| @preaction | i'm gonna try to get the code editor bug at least | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I think i can handle the rest | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | after I go to the gym | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd also appreciate your thoughts on my proposed fix for the cached Navigation bug | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | which are on the dev forum | 20:12 |
| @preaction | ok | 20:12 |
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| @preaction | is it really too much to ask for little icons next to menu items? | 21:03 |
| @preaction | or using icons with no labels and no text, no need to i18n? | 21:03 |
| @preaction | or am i crazy that icons improve usability | 21:04 |
| @preaction | and are everywhere in every single computer program when they shouldn't be? | 21:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | ping | 22:47 |
| +perlDreamer | grrr | 22:48 |
| +perlDreamer | github is down | 22:48 |
| SquOnk | What's the proper way to redirect to the home page on logout? | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | currrenly, WebGUI just returns you to the current page | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | if your plugin is general purpose, it should do that as well | 22:58 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: So I'd need to use the runOnLogout thing in the config file. | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | if your plugin isn't, then just set a redirect in $session->http | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | runOnLogout is a script | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | or a Workflow | 22:58 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I know | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | that script won't allow you to change the landing page after a logout operation | 22:58 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I want a general way to redirect people to the home page when they logout, wherever they might be on the page. | 22:59 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I see | 22:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd subclass sub logout, and do the redirect in there | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, in t/Auth/LDAP.t, it says to always test LDAPS. why is that? | 23:25 |
| @preaction | because if LDAPS works, so will LDAP | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 23:28 |
| @preaction | i mean, to be thorough we could do both, and just swapping ldap:// for ldaps:// will work, but i didn't want to create the test programmatically | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm looking at Trex's patches, and thinking about tests | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I just want to be sure I use smoke's LDAP server the right way | 23:28 |
| @preaction | laziness mostly, well, more like "i'm already 2 weeks behind and this is not one of the tasks I was assigned, but the buck has to stop somewhere, so it stops with me" | 23:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, I have a hard time ascribing the word laziness to you | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | browser caching sucks | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | but it doesn't suck as much as server side caching | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | or, content last modified fields | 02:05 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Are you there? | 02:51 |
| @preaction | he just left, he'll be back a little later | 02:52 |
| SquOnk | Ok | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | quick question | 03:06 |
| +perlDreamer | have to leave in 5 | 03:06 |
| +perlDreamer | what's up SquOnk? | 03:06 |
| +perlDreamer | no change in status on the encoding bugs | 03:06 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: It's not about that | 03:07 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, Kuskie boys are off to piano lessons | 03:11 |
| +perlDreamer | be back on about 8:30 pm PST for stable release | 03:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | the piano teacher has been holding out on me. She was wireless! | 04:17 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rc0f9403 / www/extras/yui/build/treeview/treeview.js : Backport the treeview nav autoexpand by list class code from YUI 2.8. - http://bit.ly/t2R4p | 04:24 |
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| vayde | preaction? you around? | 05:20 |
| @preaction | temporarily, sup | 05:20 |
| vayde | just a fyi | 05:20 |
| vayde | the testEnvironment.pl in the wG source install | 05:20 |
| vayde | it seems to be missing dependencies | 05:20 |
| vayde | for Template::Toolkit and SOAP::Lite | 05:20 |
| +perlDreamer | those are all optional | 05:21 |
| +perlDreamer | as long as you have your config file setup the correct way | 05:21 |
| +perlDreamer | like not using the TT plugin, or the deprecated WSClient asset | 05:21 |
| vayde | ahh, well, the basic conf barfed | 05:21 |
| @preaction | yeah, because TT is included with the WRE | 05:21 |
| @preaction | that's a bug | 05:21 |
| vayde | shouldn't the conf given work with the modules listed in the env test? | 05:22 |
| +perlDreamer | how is that a bug? | 05:22 |
| @preaction | it's actually because WebGUI preloads WebGUI::Asset::Template::TemplateToolkit | 05:22 |
| @preaction | and since it can't preload it without having TT installed, it explodes | 05:22 |
| +perlDreamer | we're going to use TT anyway, I guess | 05:22 |
| vayde | well, i just figure at least the default conf aught to work with the environment that passes the test | 05:23 |
| @preaction | i'd say disable the TT parser. i don't see why webgui is preloading everything it can get its grubby hands on | 05:23 |
| @preaction | but i don't know what the policy is here and i'm not setting any more policy today | 05:24 |
| +perlDreamer | to disable it, we'd have to ship a default preload.exclude | 05:24 |
| @preaction | i'm going to get brown sugar so i can make cookies | 05:24 |
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| vayde | so, would you like that filed as a bug? or just take it as a fyi? | 05:26 |
| +perlDreamer | file it | 05:28 |
| vayde | kk, next question, where's the bugtracker these days | 05:28 |
| +perlDreamer | you can't tell one bug from another without a helpdek ticket | 05:28 |
| +perlDreamer | www.webgui.org/bugs | 05:28 |
| vayde | (sorry, it's been a while) | 05:28 |
| vayde | thanks | 05:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, any pending commits? | 06:50 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: nope, go head | 07:04 |
| elnino | g'nite all. | 07:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | how are the cookies? | 07:05 |
| @preaction | look much better than last time, where i had to substitute the brown sugar | 07:06 |
| @preaction | still gotta wait for cooldown to make the crucial test | 07:06 |
| * perlDreamer predicts UTF8 problems in the next WRE | 07:09 | |
| +perlDreamer | either that, or Fedora just lost a customer | 07:09 |
| @preaction | and now you're having charset problems too? | 07:11 |
| @preaction | sheesh | 07:11 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 07:11 |
| +perlDreamer | there are actually two charset tests in the suite | 07:11 |
| +perlDreamer | and the literal utf8 one is failing | 07:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm hoping it's fedora, and not core perl changes | 07:11 |
| @preaction | oh yeah, the cookies are excellent as always | 07:23 |
| +perlDreamer | what kind are they? | 07:38 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb3576ff / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.7.26 release - http://bit.ly/LUj4c | 07:43 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, that rarest of upgrades with no db manipulation | 07:50 |
| +perlDreamer | and we're out | 08:15 |
| +perlDreamer | see y'all tomorrow | 08:15 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2f0ef5f / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.7.27 development. - http://bit.ly/3gyaPd | 08:16 |
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| slickware | morning all | 16:58 |
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| +patspam | Haarg: wgdev is in the bazaar yeah? | 17:51 |
| @Haarg | yes | 17:52 |
| @Haarg | http://www.webgui.org/bazaar/wgdev | 17:52 |
| +patspam | ta | 17:52 |
| +patspam | sucks that there's no bazaar search | 17:52 |
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| +BartJol | patspam: there seems no file to be attached to your bazaar post, or am I just impatient? | 17:54 |
| +patspam | heh yeah sorry, just uploading it now | 17:54 |
| +BartJol | :) | 17:54 |
| +BartJol | nice sceenshot though | 17:55 |
| +patspam | uploaded now | 17:56 |
| +BartJol | got it, gonna check it out | 18:00 |
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| David_ | good morning i m having the hardest time trying to fix a problem i am getting a communication error on my log and i think it has something to do with my host file can anybody tell me what needs to go there. i have the 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain and on a second line i have the ip of server www.mydomain.com is this correct? | 19:02 |
| +BartJol | that doesn't sound wrong | 19:02 |
| +BartJol | we mostly add the domain without the www | 19:02 |
| +BartJol | David_ what is the error? | 19:05 |
| David_ | ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1056] - CRON: Response for job | 19:05 |
| +BartJol | ah | 19:05 |
| +BartJol | spectre connects from the "outside" | 19:06 |
| +BartJol | what is the spectre ip> | 19:06 |
| +BartJol | ? | 19:06 |
| David_ | no both in same box | 19:06 |
| +BartJol | maybe you should change it to your external IP | 19:06 |
| +BartJol | default is 127.0.0.1 I believe | 19:06 |
| David_ | yes ok | 19:07 |
| David_ | let me try. because also i am trying to upload sompe wgpkg and i get nothing, the pages are not imported and i don't get errors on webgui.log | 19:07 |
| +BartJol | not sure on which log level those errors are | 19:08 |
| +BartJol | you can try altering your log level | 19:08 |
| +BartJol | but 1 thing at a time | 19:08 |
| David_ | yes | 19:09 |
| David_ | working on changing spectre.conf to external ip | 19:09 |
| +BartJol | you need to restart modpelr and spectre | 19:10 |
| +BartJol | and change it in the webgui and spectre conf | 19:10 |
| David_ | ok | 19:11 |
| +BartJol | in the webgui conf you can just add it I believe | 19:11 |
| +BartJol | not sure about that though, I would have to check that | 19:12 |
| +BartJol | does it help? | 19:15 |
| David_ | restarting | 19:15 |
| +BartJol | sorry for pushing but I have a very important beer drinking appointment :P | 19:16 |
| David_ | take me with you lol | 19:16 |
| +BartJol | you know Delft? | 19:17 |
| David_ | no | 19:17 |
| +BartJol | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=brabantse+turfmarkt+67,+delft&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=31.839416,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Brabantse+Turfmarkt+67,+2611+Delft,+South+Holland,+The+Netherlands&ll=52.010184,4.360531&spn=0.001509,0.004823&z=18 | 19:18 |
| David_ | im on the states | 19:18 |
| +BartJol | it's just an 8 hour flight | 19:19 |
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| +BartJol | but how are the errors doing? | 19:19 |
| David_ | the communications errors went away thanks | 19:20 |
| +BartJol | ok | 19:20 |
| David_ | now to figure out why i can't import packages | 19:20 |
| +BartJol | still can't? | 19:20 |
| David_ | no | 19:20 |
| David_ | and no errors on logs | 19:20 |
| +BartJol | ok | 19:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | good morning WebGUI folks | 19:20 |
| @Haarg | morning | 19:20 |
| David_ | morning | 19:21 |
| +BartJol | you can try to set ypour log level to debug temporarily(!!) | 19:21 |
| +BartJol | in log.conf | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, do you have 15 minutes to talk about multiple languages in the core? | 19:21 |
| * BartJol wistles and looks up | 19:21 | |
| @Haarg | sure | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I see a couple of problems with the idea | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) we run the risk of people making changes to the git copy of the i18n | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) i18n could also fork between the stable and beta branches | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I think we can solve (1) by just saying the the svn version is the canonical version, and that it gets overwritten at release | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I haven't thought of how to handle (2) yet. | 19:23 |
| +BartJol | David_ I leave you in the hands of the rest of these good people | 19:23 |
| David_ | thanks a lot for the help | 19:23 |
| +BartJol | np | 19:23 |
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| @Haarg | if we wanted to have multiple languages in core, it seems like it would make the most sense to just have the core copy be authoritative and get rid of the separate repo | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | so we'd pull it out of i18n.webgui.org and the SVN repo | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | and the only way to edit it would be via commandline | 19:25 |
| @Haarg | well, we'd need to make adjustments to the translation server, but that needs to happen anyway | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | and in the changes that you'd like to make to the translation server, is it supposed to handle i18n in multiple branches? | 19:29 |
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| David_ | does anybody know any reasons why wouldn't i be able to import wgpkg from same version into my current installation, no errors anywhere | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | if the asset exists in another area, it would look like that it didn't do anything | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | but it would be imported/updated in it's current spot | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | we need some more details to know exactly what's going on to help you, David_ | 19:42 |
| David_ | ok i have a separete server in which development is done before taking it to live, they export the content as wgpkg files | 19:42 |
| David_ | both boxes are on same webgui version | 19:43 |
| David_ | so im trying to imported them to my live box, content doesn't exist on live box | 19:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | what kind of content are you trying to import? Have you tried to import this package on a demo server? | 19:45 |
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| David_ | its just page layout with links | 19:47 |
| David_ | simple content | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | and when you import the package, it doesn't show up in the asset manager, there are no new version tags created (checking all lists of version tags in the Admin Console) and there are no error messages in the webgui log, or the apache error log. | 19:48 |
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| David_ | no erros on webgui.log even when i change to debug | 19:49 |
| David_ | i am trying to imported them to the same source machine | 19:49 |
| David_ | just to get the correct steps to export you go to metadata and say yes to make a package and make tis asset exportable? | 19:52 |
| David_ | nothing i can't even on same box | 20:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, again, if you import a package on a box, where an asset exists with the same assetId, it will try to update that asset | 20:08 |
| +perlDreamer | the only way to tell for sure what happened is to check the version tags | 20:08 |
| +perlDreamer | make sure that a new version tag was created, and maybe committed, recently | 20:09 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 20:35 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, greetings | 20:35 |
| SquOnk | 7.7.26 already made it into Debian ;-) | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | that was fast | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | barring any more catastrophes, the next 7.7 will be in two weeks | 20:36 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Good. | 20:36 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: When is 7.8 due to be declared stable? | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | feature freeze is next week | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | when we get all fixable bugs closed, then it goes stable | 20:37 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: The Debian Freeze is expected for december/january and it would be nice if it were stable by then. | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | we'll do the best we can, but can't make promises | 20:38 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I know | 20:38 |
| * perlDreamer heads out for a run | 20:41 | |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, you may find this interesting: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/11212 | 20:42 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Hm. Spanish could fit there too | 20:54 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: FWIW, I'm aware of the new messages in the shipping modules, I've just not done the research on them | 21:01 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: (We're currently on the 8th week of the term. I'm grading 40 mid-terms today, will have to grade 25 mid-terms tomorrow, plus 12 programming projects... everything before friday) | 21:01 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: It's a good thing I can use 'prove' to grade the programming projects ;-) | 21:02 |
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| dionak | does anyone know if you can use custom form controls with Thingy? | 21:28 |
| @Haarg | pretty certain you can | 21:32 |
| dionak | i noticed a form control must have isDynamicCompatible set to true to turn up in the list of field types | 21:36 |
| dionak | sweet. it works. :) | 21:37 |
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| dionak | can someone help me with a form control issue? i copied checklist.pm and made some mods. it's not saving the data in a Thing, as expected. | 22:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | sure, dionak. What kind of mods did you make? | 22:50 |
| dionak | let me get my code up on pastebin | 22:51 |
| dionak | it'll make this easier | 22:51 |
| dionak | here we go | 22:53 |
| dionak | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m3916c43f | 22:53 |
| dionak | i'm trying to display a list of markets in a Thing so I can create a relation, hence the checklist.pm usage | 22:54 |
| +perlDreamer | It should probably inherit from Form::List instead of Form::Control, but I'm still reading | 22:54 |
| dionak | k | 22:55 |
| +perlDreamer | the generated HTML all looks okay, it's just not saving more than 1 checkbox at a time? | 22:56 |
| dionak | it's not saving any values | 22:57 |
| preaction | why not inherit from CheckList and inside new() have it set the options you want? | 22:57 |
| dionak | inheriting from List makes a lot of sense | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction's idea is even better | 22:57 |
| preaction | then you don't have to copy/paste any code at all ;) | 22:57 |
| dionak | love the idea. looking.. | 22:58 |
| preaction | I should write a blog post about that | 22:58 |
| preaction | we do it a lot in our client work, form controls that pull from custom tables | 22:58 |
| dionak | yes, that would make a great blog post | 22:59 |
| dionak | are you thinking of overloading definition()? | 22:59 |
| dionak | there's not a new() | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | he may mean toHtml | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | the way that Form/TimeZone does it | 23:00 |
| preaction | no i mean new | 23:00 |
| dionak | can you show me an example? | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | why would you do it there, vs toHtml ? | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | everybody calls toHtml | 23:00 |
| preaction | sub new { my ( $class, $session, @args ) = @_; my $self = $class->SUPER::new( $session, @args ); # Now set your options here; return $self } | 23:01 |
| preaction | everyone calls new too | 23:01 |
| preaction | so after you get a $self, do $self->set({ options => \%myoptions }); | 23:02 |
| preaction | you'll have to get %myoptions, of course (and Tie::IxHash it if you want ordered options) | 23:02 |
| dionak | interesting. k, i have the code to get the options already | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | everybody does call new, too, but all of our core code overrides toHtml | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I hate having bad example code in the core | 23:03 |
| preaction | the idea is that you want the options set as soon as possible, in case it's not going to call toHtml, but instead calls "getValue" | 23:03 |
| preaction | toHtml is the right thing to do when overriding how the form control looks | 23:03 |
| preaction | but if you're talking the Form::Country, then it should be overriding new | 23:04 |
| dionak | is there any example in the codebase where new is being overridden? | 23:05 |
| preaction | let me pastebin one, just a sec | 23:05 |
| preaction | http://gist.github.com/232298 | 23:09 |
| dionak | that helps a lot. thanks preaction | 23:10 |
| dionak | would setting the selected values be a concern for me here? or is that handled somewhere else? | 23:11 |
| preaction | that would be handled by the superclass's toHtml method | 23:11 |
| preaction | (which is the beauty of this method) | 23:11 |
| dionak | ok | 23:11 |
| preaction | also getValue handled by the superclass | 23:11 |
| dionak | ok, so i really only need to set the options | 23:12 |
| preaction | yup | 23:12 |
| dionak | great. thanks guys | 23:12 |
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| dionak | woohoo! haha...it works | 23:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I hope he was able to work out his package problem... | 23:17 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, I agree about Spanish being a good candidate, especially if it's maintained regularly | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I would hate to see the Arabic Incident repeated on other languages | 23:20 |
| preaction | if we could get spanish, dutch, and german all included, that'd be perfect | 23:21 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, I still don't have a solution for issues I brought up earlier though | 23:21 |
| preaction | releasing with un-i18ned text? | 23:21 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | with languages in two places (SVN and GIT), which one is canonical | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | and, with two branches, how is that handled? | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | if it's in the core, someone could file a bug against a translation | 23:22 |
| preaction | i'd say the i18n.webgui.org is canonical | 23:22 |
| preaction | and we'd have to put the translators on the spot for bugs filed against their translations | 23:23 |
| preaction | or tell the bug reporter that they can fix it themselves if they want, via i18n.webgui.org | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | so how about stable vs beta translations? | 23:23 |
| preaction | if we include the beta translation w/ stable, that should be fine, no? | 23:24 |
| preaction | but yeah, that's a slightly bigger issue | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | i18n server always tracks beta | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | which means in some cases, stable i18n is removed | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | it's more like we need multiple branches for i18n, and allow the server to port changes between them, as requested by the translators. | 23:27 |
| @Haarg | is there a reason to not just move the translations into core? | 23:29 |
| +perlDreamer | download size | 23:29 |
| +perlDreamer | translation server doesn't work with git yet | 23:29 |
| +perlDreamer | no way to track multiple branches (stable/beta) | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | those aren't reasons not to do it | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | those are questions that need answers/solutions | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | even if the answers are: | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | download size doesn't matter | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | can't use core languages with the translation server | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | we only track beta on the translation server | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | those are fine, as long as they're understood by us and all the translators | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | The EU tax driver uses SOAP::List, and it wasn't ever added to testEnvironment.pl | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | SOAP::Lite | 23:43 |
| @Haarg | it shouldn't | 23:44 |
| @Haarg | it isn't used in the code anywhere | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | It's used in the EU tax driver | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | it's new | 23:44 |
| @Haarg | 'use SOAP::Lite' is the only refernce | 23:45 |
| @Haarg | *reference | 23:45 |
| @Haarg | it isn't needed | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | and the test runs okay without it | 23:45 |
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| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r053fe47 / (3 files in 2 dirs): Fix rendering treeview rendering issues with debug and minimized JS. - http://bit.ly/F3cRD | 23:53 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra0d2c23 / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 23:53 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Fix module use issues. Fixes bug#11222 | 23:53 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Remove bad use line from TaxDriver/EU.pm | 23:53 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Add line for TT2 in testEnvironment.pl - http://bit.ly/48XH6I | 23:53 |
| SquOnk | That means SOAP::Lite is not needed? | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 23:54 |
| * SquOnk takes note that dependencies need to be re-checked for the next release | 23:58 | |
| +perlDreamer | we added one for Template::Toolkit 2.20 | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | and removed a use line for SOAP::Lite, which used to be required, and then wasn't, and then was accidently required but not actually needed, and is now fixed | 23:59 |
| --- Day changed Thu Nov 12 2009 | ||
| +perlDreamer | which I guess brings up a point | 00:00 |
| SquOnk | Good | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | HTML::Template::Expr are marked as optional, but since those plugins are loaded by the default config, they really aren't optional | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Template::Toolkit is/should be the same way | 00:01 |
| * SquOnk working out tomorrow's class exercises | 00:01 | |
| * perlDreamer recommends, squats, pushups, situps and burpees | 00:01 | |
| @Haarg | the default config doesn't include Expr | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | good point | 00:02 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Well, they tend to do that when Prolog's involved :-) | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | but preload.perl will load them anyway | 00:02 |
| preaction | right, but they're preloaded anyway | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe that's the problem there | 00:02 |
| SquOnk | I'm doing 8-queens, then MxN-queens, then SEND + MORE = MONEY... | 00:02 |
| SquOnk | ...then Hanoi Towers, then Antwerpen Towers... | 00:02 |
| SquOnk | ...and if time permits, I'll do some generate-fail-collect examples | 00:03 |
| SquOnk | I came up with an evil "initial assignment" for them. | 00:03 |
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| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r727348a / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 00:17 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Fix module use issues. Fixes bug#11222 | 00:17 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Remove bad use line from TaxDriver/EU.pm | 00:17 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Add line for TT2 in testEnvironment.pl - http://bit.ly/1LiFQ5 | 00:17 |
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| * perlDreamer steps out to run some errands | 00:20 | |
| SquOnk | Is there a way to make users unable AT ALL to access their profiles (even if they knew the URL and typed it by hand)? | 00:28 |
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| xdanger | hmm.. I'm doing source install (just for fun to test plebgui) and I've noticed that Net::Subnets is missing from CPAN. Is there some place that I could get it from? | 02:10 |
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| xdanger | Oh, found a webgui forum post about it | 02:11 |
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| daviddelikat | there seems to be a problem with hover help | 03:26 |
| daviddelikat | it never hides a piece of hover text | 03:27 |
| @preaction | what problem seems to be the officer? | 03:27 |
| daviddelikat | it just keeps on piling them up on top of each other | 03:27 |
| @preaction | what version? probably a good idea to posts a bugs about it | 03:27 |
| daviddelikat | I'm in the bleading edge... | 03:27 |
| daviddelikat | it just showed up recently | 03:28 |
| daviddelikat | I was wondering if anybody is working in that area | 03:28 |
| daviddelikat | or perhaps I have broken it myself | 03:29 |
| @preaction | even if they are, better an extra bug than something that goes unnoticed | 03:29 |
| +perlDreamer | where is the hoverhelp in question? | 03:31 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, and here's another bug | 03:31 |
| daviddelikat | its on my dev machine | 03:31 |
| daviddelikat | http://delikat.homeip.net:8080/ | 03:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I make a bad straight-man, daviddelikat... | 03:31 |
| +perlDreamer | it is for an asset, operation, something else? | 03:31 |
| daviddelikat | its in the EMS submission asset | 03:32 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, well, contact the developer and let him know about it :) | 03:32 |
| daviddelikat | I just put together a bunch of forms into tabs and now it ... | 03:32 |
| daviddelikat | I've been talking to him all night, no response | 03:32 |
| +perlDreamer | some developers... | 03:33 |
| daviddelikat | I don't like talking to myself | 03:33 |
| daviddelikat | its bad for business | 03:33 |
| daviddelikat | i'm not sure i get the 'straight-man' thing | 03:33 |
| daviddelikat | are we doing a cop sow theme? | 03:34 |
| daviddelikat | s/sow/show/ | 03:34 |
| daviddelikat | my dragnet is pretty rusty | 03:34 |
| +perlDreamer | not a cop show, comedy stand-up | 03:35 |
| daviddelikat | heres a pic http://imagebin.ca/view/Sn5FiC.html | 03:36 |
| daviddelikat | thats kinda rusty too | 03:37 |
| daviddelikat | last standup routine I saw was ~ 20 years ago in the smokey lounge at my frat house | 03:37 |
| daviddelikat | now that I think about it I think I've seen this before | 03:40 |
| daviddelikat | but as usual I can't recollect how it was fixed... | 03:40 |
| +perlDreamer | is this the standard asset edit form? | 03:40 |
| daviddelikat | no its malformed by my program | 03:40 |
| daviddelikat | :) | 03:41 |
| daviddelikat | when you click the edit button it gives the normal form and hoverhelp is fine there | 03:42 |
| +perlDreamer | is this Submission, or SubmissionForm | 03:42 |
| daviddelikat | so chances are i messed something up | 03:42 |
| daviddelikat | 'num1' is submissionForm; 'title' is submission | 03:43 |
| daviddelikat | restarting | 03:56 |
| daviddelikat | i :( cache ; cache is :( | 03:57 |
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| daviddelikat | I think the problem is that I have it run through process style twice... | 04:05 |
| daviddelikat | no thats not it | 04:06 |
| @preaction | yeah that could be a problem, esp. if the first one doesn't have a head.tags | 04:06 |
| @preaction | when a style is processed, the head tags get zeroed out | 04:07 |
| @preaction | (iirc) | 04:07 |
| @preaction | much of webgui is very stream-based, very single-request oriented | 04:07 |
| daviddelikat | one part was getting double processing | 04:10 |
| daviddelikat | cross your fingers | 04:10 |
| daviddelikat | brb | 04:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm off to orchestra practice | 04:23 |
| +perlDreamer | catch y'all later tonight | 04:23 |
| daviddelikat | enjoy | 04:23 |
| @preaction | indeed | 04:23 |
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| elnino | I created a prototype with children, but when I clicked on the prototype in the admin bar,it only creatd the top level asset... How may I get it's children copied over as well? | 06:35 |
| @preaction | you have to use packages for that | 06:35 |
| elnino | k. let me try. | 06:36 |
| elnino | hmm. ok. It would be nice if it opened the top level asset for editing, if I create an rfe for that, do I have a chance that it be implemented? | 06:38 |
| elnino | or maybe an option. I can see benefits to both. | 06:39 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: daviddelikat master * r3b9902e / (11 files in 7 dirs): cleaned up the EMS submission system - http://bit.ly/GhZ4o | 07:01 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: daviddelikat master * rf1ccdb0 / t/Asset/Wobject/EventManagementSystem.t : fixed a test - http://bit.ly/1CB4o8 | 07:01 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: daviddelikat master * rd0c8554 / (8 files in 7 dirs): Merge branch 'master' into EMS - http://bit.ly/2iR8Gz | 07:01 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: daviddelikat master * rc089da4 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : added comment to the changelog - http://bit.ly/2sqviV | 07:01 |
| daviddelikat | off for tonight | 07:12 |
| elnino | bye | 07:13 |
| daviddelikat | probably bakc on Saturday | 07:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | everybody went home... | 08:10 |
| @preaction | you still have me to kick around | 08:31 |
| @preaction | oh, wait, no, bedtime | 08:31 |
| +perlDreamer | nooo....!!!! | 08:31 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, bedtime | 08:32 |
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| +BartJol | plainhao: can you remove items from the bazaar? | 16:26 |
| +BartJol | JDanPl accidently added an iten 2 times | 16:27 |
| +BartJol | his internet connection is flapping, so he asked me to ask it | 16:27 |
| @plainhao | bazaar? i'll see if i can, but i might not have privileges there | 16:29 |
| +BartJol | well, I'll just ask the next | 16:29 |
| @plainhao | doesn't seem i have privileges, BartJol | 16:37 |
| +BartJol | ok | 16:37 |
| +BartJol | no problemo | 16:37 |
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| +BartJol | preaction: wake? | 17:48 |
| +BartJol | awake? | 17:48 |
| @preaction | yep, sup? | 17:48 |
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| +BartJol | JDanPl added a bazaar item twice accidently | 17:49 |
| +BartJol | he asked me to remove it, but I can't | 17:49 |
| @preaction | url? | 17:49 |
| +BartJol | so now I'm asking you | 17:49 |
| +BartJol | http://www.webgui.org/bazaar/grouptextup-and-groupidtextup2 | 17:50 |
| @preaction | ooh, i like that better than the normal grouptext macro | 17:50 |
| @preaction | then if the number of items is odd, the last one could be a catch-all | 17:51 |
| @preaction | but okay, i'll delete this one | 17:51 |
| +BartJol | yeah, the macro is nice, I saw a preview | 17:51 |
| @preaction | done | 17:53 |
| +BartJol | gratias | 17:53 |
| +BartJol | s/t/c/ | 17:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's time to play everybody's favorite game show | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | how long does it take for the progress bar to die | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm your host, perlDreamer, and today's guest website is heavily loaded | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | Will it finish, or not? | 18:35 |
| +BartJol | ooh | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | our first contestant, from the Netherlands. What do you think? | 18:36 |
| +BartJol | I think it will break horribly | 18:36 |
| +BartJol | leaving traces around the globe | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | so far the process has been running for 6 minutes | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | any rebuttals from the audience? | 18:37 |
| +BartJol | what can I win? | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | A free web-based Content Management System capable of scaling up to enterprise needs. | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | With a newly fixed progress bar | 18:39 |
| +BartJol | that's a fairytale | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | well, at least half of it is | 18:40 |
| +BartJol | well, I'm of impregnating my wall tiles | 18:42 |
| +BartJol | eeeh | 18:42 |
| +BartJol | that was a dutchism | 18:42 |
| +BartJol | no babies of mine are on their way | 18:43 |
| +BartJol | adieu | 18:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | just dies at 8:45 | 18:45 |
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| @preaction | what's Bart's last name? he contribued a macro to core and he's not on the docs/credits.txt | 19:15 |
| @preaction | also didn't Trex contribute some fixes? | 19:16 |
| @preaction | and Rogier and other people from the TWG | 19:17 |
| @preaction | Patspam's contemporary, Andy contributed some icons | 19:17 |
| @preaction | is that Andy Grundman? | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Jol | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | Andy Smith | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | Rogier is Rogier Voogt | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | serif is... | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | that tall dark haired lady from Knowmad | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I think Rory contributed some things as well | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | and some people from a place called Plain Black did a few things | 19:25 |
| @preaction | yeah, i'm adding Hao, Paul, and Steve Opal | 19:27 |
| nuba | wasnt it pain back? ;) | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | Also Meg, John and Tabb | 19:27 |
| @preaction | they're in there | 19:27 |
| @preaction | what about Lauralyn? | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | from what I can remember, she hasn't contributed any code | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | just huge amounts of forum posts, bugs, RFEs and wiki pages | 19:28 |
| @preaction | but did Koen contribute code? | 19:28 |
| @preaction | i know Laura Rummage didn't, she was a tech writer | 19:28 |
| @preaction | Kristi is on there too | 19:29 |
| @preaction | Jamie Vrbsky | 19:29 |
| @preaction | etc... | 19:29 |
| @preaction | Alan Smithee... nice... | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Koen may indeed have done some coding | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | Care to consult on a bug? It's the progress bar dying bug. | 19:31 |
| @preaction | sure | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | You need a big website, and to run Edit Branch on it | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | The PB just freezes/dies | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | Web browser says done | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | but it doesn't do any redirecting | 19:32 |
| @preaction | does the edit branch complete? | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 19:32 |
| @preaction | you're running the WRE right? | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:32 |
| @preaction | check /data/wre/var/logs/wremonitor.log and see if wremonitor killed anything | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | oooh! | 19:33 |
| +perlDreamer | Log says all is well with MySQL, and spectre. | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | nothing about apache in it near the times it's shutdown | 19:34 |
| @preaction | does it stall before it quits? | 19:34 |
| @preaction | is Bart from Procolix? | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know, and yes | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | it's runaway monitor | 19:35 |
| @preaction | you're running that? | 19:35 |
| @preaction | or the wremonitor's runaway monitor? | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | it's some cron job | 19:36 |
| @preaction | rogier is United Knowledge right? | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes | 19:38 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r3561165 / docs/credits.txt : added a bunch of nice people - http://bit.ly/Kibdl | 19:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | mducharme contributed some LDAP fixes | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | documentation rewrites | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | also david delikat | 19:49 |
| @preaction | right, David | 19:50 |
| @preaction | mducharme... need a real name for that one | 19:50 |
| +perlDreamer | mducharme-work: ping | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I really, really like template attachments | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it has one unthought of feature | 19:52 |
| @preaction | that's frodwith care of the Alumni group | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | and that is that you can now easily find out every file that a template uses | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | so that if we wanted to change underying PB include files, you could walk through the attachments and upgrade custom templates | 19:53 |
| @preaction | that was one of the reasons i wanted it ;) | 19:53 |
| @preaction | hell, that was the main reason i wanted it | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | well, you and frodwith are brilliant | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | even if the code needed some i18n | 19:53 |
| @preaction | we just need to get atachments talking to filepump and then we're golden | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | we need a $15M grant just to work on core code for 1 year | 19:54 |
| @preaction | 15M? 0.15M would be enough for 3 people | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | You, Haarg, JT. You're going to need a designer or 2. | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | and I'm selfish enough to want to include me, and some other non-PB folk | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | because, hey, with $15M there should be enough to share | 20:00 |
| @preaction | okay, .25M then | 20:01 |
| @preaction | but really, with how things go, we don't need designers. we just need someone to put two html tags together | 20:02 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r9b4ac74 / docs/credits.txt : added some more wonderful people - http://bit.ly/1oO7Cp | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I was thinking they would finish the zenification of the templates | 20:05 |
| +perlDreamer | in any case, I'm off to the gym | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I'll buy a lottery ticket, too | 20:06 |
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| David_ | 2008/10/04 00:09:46 - ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1012] - CRON: Response for job www.domain.com.conf-pbcron0000000000000004 had a communications error. <HTML>?<HEAD><TITLE>An Error Occurred</TITLE></HEAD>?<BODY>?<H1>An Error Occurred</H1>?500 Internal Server Error?</BODY>?</HTML> | 21:22 |
| David_ | sorry | 21:22 |
| David_ | i am getting this error everytime my forms tried to send emails | 21:22 |
| David_ | and the emails do not go out | 21:22 |
| David_ | anybody can help? | 21:24 |
| @preaction | David_: cd /data/WebGUI/sbin; perl spectre.pl --test; and put the output in a pastebin somewhere | 21:29 |
| David_ | running connecitivy test testing mydomain.conf tests completed | 21:30 |
| @preaction | okay, so spectre can communicate just fine. connect to the mysql database and run "SELECT COUNT(*) FROM mailQueue", are there messages in the queue? | 21:32 |
| @preaction | that 500 error is actually caused by LWP, usually because of a timeout | 21:32 |
| @preaction | is your site under strain? | 21:32 |
| David_ | no | 21:32 |
| @preaction | no to which question? | 21:34 |
| David_ | site under strain | 21:34 |
| David_ | i am running the mysql coommand | 21:34 |
| David_ | count 0 | 21:36 |
| @preaction | then all the mail is sent out | 21:36 |
| David_ | then why am i getting these errors | 21:37 |
| David_ | there are constant | 21:38 |
| @preaction | do "SELECT * FROM WorkflowInstance WHERE workflowId='pbcron0000000000000004'" and pastebin the output (not here, to a pastebin, www.pastebin.com) | 21:39 |
| David_ | done i get empty set | 21:44 |
| @preaction | then they were just temporary errors. spectre was having some trouble connecting to webgui | 21:45 |
| @preaction | when a backup is running, that can happen (backups need to lock the entire site to read-only) | 21:45 |
| David_ | backups are not configure on the box yet | 21:45 |
| David_ | i get the same error every minute | 21:46 |
| David_ | that can't be normal | 21:46 |
| @preaction | always the the pbcron00000..4? and nothing in the WorkflowInstance table? try restarting spectre | 21:47 |
| David_ | yes same pbcron | 21:48 |
| David_ | i restarted the box multiple times | 21:48 |
| David_ | doesn't matter that im commiting without approval | 21:48 |
| @preaction | then if it's not affecting anything, i wouldn't worry about it | 21:49 |
| @preaction | but to humor me, what does "perl spectre.pl --status" say? | 21:49 |
| David_ | i pasted it | 21:50 |
| @preaction | what's the URL it gave you? | 21:51 |
| David_ | http://pastebin.com/m1a4660ad | 21:51 |
| @preaction | and if you go into the site it says and type "SELECT * FROM WorkflowInstance" you get empty set? | 21:51 |
| David_ | http://pastebin.com/mb5a5cb | 21:53 |
| @preaction | okay, nothing untoward there | 21:54 |
| @preaction | the pbcron 00004 is the Hourly Maintenance Tasks, which doesn't do the sending mail, so really it's most likely just a temporary hiccup | 21:55 |
| David_ | ok let me try my form again | 21:55 |
| @preaction | mail does not get sent immediately, it gets queued and sent every 15 minutes (the "Send Queued Mail Messages" scheduler entry) | 21:56 |
| David_ | ok let me try to see what happens | 21:57 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rc9d1cba / docs/credits.txt : even more awesome people - http://bit.ly/48jGjb | 22:05 |
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| @preaction | http://www.perl.org/ <- oh nice | 22:36 |
| +perlDreamer | http://use.perl.org/~TeeJay/journal/39877 | 22:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I like the site redesign | 22:43 |
| @preaction | yeah, it's great | 22:44 |
| @preaction | also, WebGUI 8 is using Moose! yay! | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | it is? | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | when did that happen? | 22:44 |
| @preaction | yup | 22:44 |
| @preaction | last week | 22:44 |
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| @preaction | the new Definition stuff is gonna use Moose instead | 22:45 |
| @preaction | since we're really just reimplementing it | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I should hold off working on the Style Template stuff | 22:45 |
| @preaction | so now i can use the little parts of it | 22:45 |
| @preaction | style template stuff? | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | until y'all have it all settled down | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, I have 2 wg8 jobs | 22:45 |
| @preaction | oh monkey, yeah that's put on hold for now | 22:45 |
| @preaction | and the TT stuff as well | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) Split Style out of Template | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | and 2) H::T to T::T conversion | 22:45 |
| @preaction | i mean, if you want to do it that's great, but it's not a requirement anymore | 22:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | huh? | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | so, if we're using Moose, how close is DBIx::Class and the like? | 22:47 |
| +perlDreamer | cuz in that link I posted, T::T and DBIx::Class were the main reasons he won't use wG | 22:48 |
| @preaction | i'm replying to it now. DBIx::Class is about 50-100% slower | 22:50 |
| @preaction | just for instantiating an asset | 22:50 |
| +perlDreamer | ouch | 22:51 |
| @preaction | but i haven't done any tweaking, and WebGUI has a huge array of caching and other performance tweaks | 22:51 |
| @preaction | so there's really no real answer there yet | 22:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I wonder if people take the slowdown in exchange for ease of use/programming | 22:52 |
| @preaction | yeah. my time is more expensive than CPU time | 22:53 |
| +perlDreamer | since we're link sharing today: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/7pVj1c0lO28/HTTP-Intermediary-Layer-From-Google-Could-Dramatically-Speed-Up-the-Web | 22:54 |
| @preaction | yeah, saw that. seems nice if it really works | 22:55 |
| +perlDreamer | nice reply :) | 23:01 |
| @preaction | it pretty much is what he wants. just not mature yet | 23:01 |
| @preaction | i'm going for Django in Perl, really | 23:01 |
| @preaction | because he's right. both Mojo and Catalyst are just stepping stones to a site. the same bullcrap you have to write over and over (pages, blogs, etc...) | 23:02 |
| @preaction | and since nothing is in the core, upgrading is a bitch (like Drupal) | 23:02 |
| @preaction | (that's the reason why CTC went with us back in 6.x instead of Drupal, JT put the basic stuff into core) | 23:04 |
| +perlDreamer | it is nice to have it all rolled together | 23:06 |
| @preaction | exactly | 23:06 |
| @preaction | but the downside is "where do i start adding my own stuff", i want to fix that part too | 23:06 |
| @preaction | my problem is i know too much about frameworks and CMS and web and blah blah blah | 23:07 |
| @preaction | and i don't have enough time to implement it all | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | that's how I feel about testing | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | so many tests to write | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | but not so much time | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | but I was very encouraged by the people who stepped up to help write macro tests | 23:11 |
| @preaction | indeed, that is nice | 23:12 |
| @preaction | David_: please do not private message without asking. is the pbcron000000...4 still running? is it in the WorkflowInstance table? are there new errors in the log? | 23:39 |
| David_ | sorry | 23:39 |
| @preaction | one possible problem could be DNS resolution, is your sitename in the /etc/hosts file pointing to localhost? | 23:39 |
| David_ | can i paste you my host file | 23:39 |
| @preaction | shouldn't need to, does "127.0.0.1 hostname" exist as a line in there? | 23:40 |
| David_ | yes | 23:40 |
| David_ | first line | 23:40 |
| David_ | 127.0.0.1 localhost | 23:40 |
| David_ | well i have an issue with that i think | 23:41 |
| @preaction | localhost is the sitename in your config file? | 23:41 |
| David_ | no | 23:41 |
| @preaction | the first sitename in your webgui config file | 23:41 |
| @preaction | you want 127.0.0.1 sitename | 23:41 |
| David_ | i guess a better question would be what exactly should be on my host file | 23:42 |
| David_ | i have to 127.0.0.1 localhost | 23:42 |
| @preaction | so after "localhost", add whatever your domain name is | 23:42 |
| @preaction | and if there are more than one, put them all, seperated by whitespace | 23:42 |
| David_ | i have a single domain and it should point to the loop address right | 23:43 |
| @preaction | in the /etc/hosts file, yes | 23:43 |
| David_ | so i have 127.0.0.1 localhost www.domain1.com www.domain2.com | 23:44 |
| David_ | that's it | 23:44 |
| @preaction | yeah. as long as "www.domain1.com" matches exactly the first item in the sitename : [ ... ] key of the webgui config | 23:45 |
| David_ | well the way this is configure in the sitename is : www that's it | 23:45 |
| @preaction | that's bad. the first entry in the sitename key should be the web-facing domain name | 23:46 |
| @preaction | the domain name the user enters | 23:46 |
| @preaction | if spectre tried to look up "www", it wouldn't find anything, and that could cause the error you see | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't believe this. | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm getting spam from somebody on the forums | 23:47 |
| @preaction | nice | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | What kind of public flaming do you think that deserves? | 23:47 |
| @preaction | nuclear | 23:47 |
| David_ | so preaction how do i go about changing the sitename, is it possible ? | 23:49 |
| David_ | at least to match the host file | 23:49 |
| @preaction | David_: yes. all you have to do is change it and then restart webgui | 23:49 |
| @preaction | (and spectre too) | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | change it in the WebGUI configuration file | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | in the sitename entry | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | "sitename" : [ .... ], | 23:50 |
| David_ | ok change sitename to whole www.domain.com same as i have in the host file | 23:55 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r97ce509 / (8 files in 4 dirs): | 23:57 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Adding new Style templates and CSS from TWG. | 23:57 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: The new css/wg-css replaces /webgui.css. It is removed in this upgrade. - http://bit.ly/1AYrND | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | that Rogier does nice work | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | everything packaged up and documented | 23:59 |
| David_ | now at restart httpd: apr_sockaddr_info_get() failed for localhost.localdomain | 23:59 |
| --- Day changed Fri Nov 13 2009 | ||
| David_ | and still mail sitting there | 00:00 |
| * perlDreamer heads out to pick up kids from school | 00:00 | |
| +perlDreamer | bbiaw | 00:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: may I move the LDAP credentials into WebGUI::Test so they can be used in multiple places without copying them? | 01:18 |
| @preaction | sure | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | LDAPLink needs an MVC makeover | 01:26 |
| @preaction | yeah | 01:27 |
| mducharme | what's happening with ldap? | 01:30 |
| @preaction | how so? | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | mducharme, there were two bugs filed against LDAP in wG. | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm just trying to build some tests to make sure we don't break anything while fixing the bugs. | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | you can find the bugs on the bug board, on the 1st page. | 01:32 |
| mducharme | ahh yes | 01:33 |
| mducharme | I discovered that first one myself years ago | 01:33 |
| mducharme | thought it was simply by design | 01:33 |
| mducharme | the 11217 | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | bad status reporting? | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to skip the part where I try to convince you to do some hacking... | 01:34 |
| +perlDreamer | and just ask if there's anything else weird that you've seen | 01:34 |
| mducharme | only with the registration | 01:36 |
| mducharme | the fact that if webgui is set for ldap auth, that the "register for an account" link or whatever the text is, all it does is gives them a webgui account for their pre-existing ldap account | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | instead of driving an account back to the LDAP server? | 01:37 |
| mducharme | very little benefit in that since the automatic registration was put in so that the webgui account gets auotmatically created | 01:37 |
| mducharme | exactly, or instead of creating it as a standard webgui auth | 01:37 |
| mducharme | there are situations where corporations use this thing for their public websites, and they use LDAP inside, but don't necessarily want people on the outside to have LDAP accounts, but want them to be able to register | 01:38 |
| @preaction | yeah, that's because you can't use two auth modules at the same time | 01:39 |
| @preaction | at least, not fully | 01:39 |
| mducharme | you can have some users in the system with ldap accounts and some with webgui accounts though | 01:39 |
| @preaction | yes | 01:39 |
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| mducharme | I just think that the registration link should either be not an option when using LDAP or should actually do something useful | 01:40 |
| mducharme | and it's often nice to use LDAP for internal staff to be able to use their network login to get into webgui and edit stuff or whatever, but also nice to allow visitors to register for webgui auth accounts | 01:42 |
| @preaction | in that case, WebGUI should be the "Auth method to use", and you should manually make LDAP accounts for those who need them | 01:43 |
| mducharme | webgui registration creating the user in ldap is another option, yes, but that would have to be something that could be turned on or off | 01:43 |
| @preaction | that'd be the best way for now | 01:43 |
| @preaction | but yes, Auth needs to be completely revisited, and we may or may not have time for 8 (but during the 8 dev cycle it will be looked at, even if we don't get to it right away) | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | it would only take 1 day to fix LDAPLink | 01:47 |
| mducharme | if automatic ldap registration worked when the site auth method to use was set to WebGUI, that would be a big improvement | 01:49 |
| mducharme | so that accounts would not have to be manually created for ldap users while still allowing the general public to register for logins | 01:50 |
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| @preaction | wow, this site must have thousands of orphaned version tags | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I've seen that problem several times | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I wish I knew what was doing it | 02:15 |
| @preaction | not surprising, this site probably has 100 new tags a day | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | then it should be fairly easy to find | 02:16 |
| @preaction | how many tags do each * count for? | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | that wasn't in english | 02:17 |
| @preaction | http://github.com/plainblack/webgui/blob/master/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.18-7.7.19.pl | 02:17 |
| @preaction | there's a * counter in that sub now | 02:17 |
| @preaction | each * counts for 100 tags | 02:17 |
| @preaction | 100 orphaned tags | 02:18 |
| @preaction | this is how many hundreds i have so far | 02:18 |
| @preaction | *********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** | 02:18 |
| @preaction | wait, 600 more just happened | 02:18 |
| mducharme | just happened just now? | 02:20 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction went * | 02:20 |
| mducharme | heh | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, I ported that code from the other branch. patspam rewrote the sub to be a lot faster. | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe it needs a unless $quiet tagged to the end of it? | 02:21 |
| @preaction | yeah, it was fast. there was just 20000+ tags | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we should pull that method out, and stick it into VersionTag? | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds quite useful | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: when you clink on LDAP Links in the Admin Bar, what happens? | 02:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | stupid fedora perl | 03:31 |
| +perlDreamer | that's #2 | 03:31 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam, which ubuntu do you use? | 03:31 |
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| topsub | hey guys | 04:52 |
| topsub | whoa, you guys change the home page of webgui | 04:52 |
| +patspam | perlDreamer: karmic koala | 05:48 |
| +patspam | 9.10 | 05:48 |
| +patspam | um, desktop | 05:49 |
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| elnino | easy question I hope: how do i get a dollar sign to show up in the variant in shop? | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | that's not an easy question | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI's shop is designed to be currency agnostic | 07:16 |
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| elnino | doh. I guess I'll go to sleep then. =) | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | however, I think if you look at the template variables for the variants, you'll see a way | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | to build the dropdown by hand, and to add a dollar sign | 07:16 |
| elnino | ah. I see. I think I have it. Thanks. | 07:18 |
| +perlDreamer | yw :) | 07:18 |
| elnino | it's too bad that donation and events can't be related products. | 07:19 |
| +perlDreamer | it could be a 9 character change to Asset::Sku::Product on line 1008 | 07:25 |
| elnino | cool. | 07:25 |
| elnino | back ot he dollar sign... I could only change it where it lists the variants to edit, but not in the display of the drop list.. Infact, I don't see the drop list being built anywhere... must be magic | 07:26 |
| elnino | oh. I see. | 07:28 |
| elnino | it was magic. | 07:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | wow, got kicked off | 07:53 |
| elnino | what'd you do? | 07:55 |
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| elnino | bye all. | 08:19 |
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| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r442a5a2 / lib/WebGUI/Operation/LDAPLink.pm : Fix pagination issues in the List LDAPLinks screen. - http://bit.ly/3p53QR | 08:20 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7c94f6f / lib/WebGUI/Operation/LDAPLink.pm : Fix pagination issues in the List LDAPLinks screen. - http://bit.ly/4fP0xd | 08:20 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 15:41 |
| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:23 |
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| SquOnk | Is there a way for the LDAP-Profile synch to happen automatically on _every_ login by the user. I've been able to synch only on registration, admin create or admin update. | 16:33 |
| SquOnk | Sorry, the first sentence was a question ;-) | 16:33 |
| SDuensin | Dunno that dude. I still need to set up LDAP for myself. | 16:37 |
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| ckotil | sounds like a perform on login workflow would be needed to do that. | 16:49 |
| SquOnk | ckotil: Oh. Haven't done anything like that before. | 17:06 |
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| ckotil | Im not sure there is such a workflow trigger | 17:13 |
| ckotil | SDuensin: Ive been wanting to do ldap for a while now to populate my groups. I finally am up to a version of webgui that i can do ldaps right out of the box. but so far i have only seen documentation populating groups when you use ldap authentication. problem is that we are using ldap for authorization only | 17:20 |
| SDuensin | That's why I've not messed with it. LDAP just seems funky all over. | 17:21 |
| ckotil | we're using it all over the place. apache, our web apps (other than webgui), and unix systems | 17:23 |
| ckotil | but for authentication we still use kerberos, our cosign (SSO) with kerberos backend | 17:23 |
| ckotil | s/our/or | 17:23 |
| SDuensin | All I know is that I need something. Just not decided on what I want that to be yet. | 17:24 |
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| @Haarg | morning patspam | 17:39 |
| +patspam | hey Haarg | 17:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | anyone else use OpenDNS ? | 18:37 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Is there a way for the LDAP-Profile synch to happen automatically on _every_ login by the user? I've been able to synch only on registration, admin create or admin update. | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a workflow for doing syn, SquOnk | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | sync | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | syncProfilesToLdap | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | then all one would need is a workflow trigger | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | or to put the workflow SyncProfilesToLdap into a frequent cron job | 18:40 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I know. I have it and it's enabled. | 18:40 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: But does the sync happen on every login? | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 18:40 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Ok, so how do I go setting up such trigger? | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | you can run a script on every login, but not a WebGUI workflow | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI::Auth, sub login | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | setup a workflow containing the SyncProfileToLdap activity | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | add a setting to Settings that lets you choose a workflow to run on login | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | in the login sub, check to see if the workflow is defined, if so... | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | see the code in createAccountSave that creates a Workflow Instance and starts it | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | near line 336 | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a workflow trigger | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | and then... | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | realizing what an awesome feature it is, submit an RFE with a patch for RFE day on Monday | 18:43 |
| SquOnk | Does an RFE for that makes sense or it's something not that general? | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | it makes tons of sense | 18:43 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Will do then ;-) | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | much better to run a workflow than some script | 18:43 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I'll try to hack it tomorrow though | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to drop off to reset my DNS settings. Be back quickly (I hope)... | 18:46 |
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| perlDreamer1 | yeah, that worked really well... | 19:00 |
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| perlDreamer1 | hey, dreamersgirl | 19:06 |
| dreamersgirl | hi! | 19:07 |
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| +patspam | perlDreamer: yesterday I was having dns issues so i revisited openDNS, but looks so commercial now | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | with their for pay offering? yeah. | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | Fortunately the free methods still works | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | except for looking up LDAP urls that don't exist | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | that will make httpd very unhappy | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | had a load of 10 on my poor laptop | 19:30 |
| +patspam | ah that's better, I can opt out of my isp's dumb "dns assistant" | 19:32 |
| +patspam | I prefer dns lookups to fail.. since that triggers ffx to do a google search for me | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | man, no dynamic window resizing in CentOS under VirtualBox | 19:33 |
| +perlDreamer | big bummer | 19:33 |
| +patspam | centos as guest or host? | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | guest | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | X in CentOS is too old | 19:34 |
| +patspam | with virtualbox tools installed in the guest? | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:34 |
| +patspam | dang | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | and unlike my host, I have to have a CentOS VM for release testing | 19:34 |
| +patspam | does copy/paste work? | 19:34 |
| +patspam | that's even more annoying when it isn't supported | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | haven't tried it yet. It's what the guest additions installer told me. | 19:35 |
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| @Haarg | i stick to an install without X or guess additions and just use ssh | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I haven't figured out how to make FF connect to the httpd inside Vbox, which is useful sometimes | 19:37 |
| +perlDreamer | otherwise, that's a great idea | 19:37 |
| +perlDreamer | How do you tell the IP address? | 19:37 |
| +perlDreamer | doesn't it create a whole virtual network to use? | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I mean, subnet. | 19:38 |
| @Haarg | depends on how you set it up | 19:38 |
| @Haarg | by default it just does nat, which doesn't work for that | 19:38 |
| @Haarg | if you have it set up using a host only adapter though your machine gets a network interface for communication with the vm | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | but using the host-only adapter, do you still get bridged access to the internet from the guest? | 19:43 |
| @Haarg | yes | 19:44 |
| @Haarg | it still functions as a gateway for the vm | 19:44 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r7e931ad / (5 files in 5 dirs): Fix status reporting for successful connects but bad binds. Fixes bug #11216 - http://bit.ly/3SB2Rk | 19:51 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbc21f90 / (5 files in 5 dirs): Fix status reporting for successful connects but bad binds. Fixes bug #11216 - http://bit.ly/2cuX7V | 19:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | mducharme, mducharme-work, that set of commits was LDAP changes, if you're curious. | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | there will be another set in a little while | 20:06 |
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| @preaction | wow. adding Moose and running Devel::Cover makes it take a LOT longer | 20:27 |
| @preaction | it's been 15 minutes now, for one module's tests | 20:28 |
| +perlDreamer | is that Moose, or Devel::Cover | 20:31 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe you could tell Devel::Cover to ignore Moose | 20:31 |
| @preaction | oh, duh | 20:32 |
| @preaction | but i think i already did tell it to only include WebGUI::* modules | 20:32 |
| @preaction | that's what wgd test --cover="" should do | 20:32 |
| @preaction | but i suppose i should make sure | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | --cover="" sets up the cover_db dir | 20:34 |
| +perlDreamer | coverOptions is the right thing | 20:34 |
| @preaction | when was that added? i don't remember that one | 20:35 |
| * perlDreamer doesn't know | 20:35 | |
| +perlDreamer | that's off of HEAD in master | 20:35 |
| @preaction | i thought the default options were to just do webgui files | 20:35 |
| @preaction | ah | 20:35 |
| +perlDreamer | default options are select,WebGUI,ignore,^t | 20:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd check the first coverage report that's generated to see if Moose crept in | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | while you're waiting... :) | 20:36 |
| @preaction | yeah, that should be "do anything in WebGUI, but ignore WebGUI/t" | 20:36 |
| @preaction | heh, it's still building. i did two tests, the second one's running now, so another 20 minutes | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I could use some help with an LDAP test, setting up a user from inside a test | 20:37 |
| @preaction | enough time to shower, i think something allergic to me is on my skin :( | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | ugh | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | go shower | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll keep digging | 20:37 |
| @preaction | the "Samuel Norton" user is the root user | 20:37 |
| @preaction | of the LDAP server | 20:37 |
| @preaction | so he should be able to add users | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, I need to add a user, and then register on the test server, and then change his DN | 20:38 |
| @preaction | but LDAP is still rather opaque to me | 20:38 |
| @preaction | ahh | 20:38 |
| @preaction | brb then | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | how do you admin the server? | 20:38 |
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| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6c62703 / t/Auth.t : Add a test to check what the login method returns in the normal case, with no login messages. - http://bit.ly/12mjfi | 20:44 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r14682b7 / t/Auth.t : Add a test to check what the login method returns in the normal case, with no login messages. - http://bit.ly/1y5bSi | 20:44 |
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| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb88a7bc / (4 files in 3 dirs): Escape single quotes sent to the ProgressBar. Fixes but #11229. - http://bit.ly/3SEXIq | 21:18 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rdd9d158 / (4 files in 3 dirs): Escape single quotes sent to the ProgressBar. Fixes but #11229. - http://bit.ly/1So4Ax | 21:18 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: it's rather weird. you have to create an "ldif" file and use "ldapmodify < ldif" to modify the ldap server | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | It would be easier to do it remotely | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | like this: http://gist.github.com/234085 | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | see the code at the bottom | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | connect with authority | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | add a DN | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | allow the user to login | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | err, register, then login | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | logout | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | modify the DN | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | then try to login in again | 21:22 |
| @preaction | yes, it is easier to do it w/ Net::LDAP ;) | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | it should fail without the patch, and auto update with the patch | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | but what's the schema for adding a user | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | and which users are prepopulated? | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | could I see your default ldif file that you used for populating the users? | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | also, it might be worth scrubbing the ldap server nightly to erase test hiccups | 21:23 |
| @preaction | heh, i don't have it anymore :( | 21:23 |
| @preaction | you'd be better off doing it the Net::LDAP style | 21:24 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what I've done, but it's failing | 21:24 |
| @preaction | let me work something up quick | 21:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I get error code 80, "other" | 21:24 |
| @preaction | your paste doesn't seem to have the code you're doing | 21:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I haven't gotten past the "add user" phase yet | 21:24 |
| @preaction | okay, let me try something then | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I stash'ed the code | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | let me apply it and repaste | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/234092 | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what I was really working with, preaction | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | running in 5 minutes | 21:32 |
| @preaction | ah, you're missing the objectClass and userPassword. let me try something and get back to you | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction++ | 21:35 |
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| * perlDreamer will be back later | 21:40 | |
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| @preaction | use strict; | 21:42 |
| @preaction | use warnings; | 21:42 |
| @preaction | use Net::LDAP; | 21:42 |
| @preaction | my $ldap = Net::LDAP->new( 'smoke.plainblack.com' ) or die "Couldn't connect: $@"; | 21:42 |
| @preaction | $ldap->bind( | 21:42 |
| @preaction | 'cn=Samuel Norton,ou=Warden,o=shawshank', | 21:42 |
| @preaction | password => 'gooey', | 21:42 |
| @preaction | ); | 21:42 |
| @preaction | my $result = $ldap->add( 'cn=Brooks Hatlen,ou=Convicts,o=shawshank', | 21:42 |
| @preaction | attr => [ | 21:42 |
| @preaction | cn => 'Brooks Hatlen', | 21:42 |
| @preaction | givenName => 'Brooks', | 21:42 |
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| @preaction | sn => 'Hatlen', | 21:42 |
| @preaction | ou => 'Convicts', | 21:42 |
| @preaction | o => 'shawshank', | 21:42 |
| xdanger | =) | 21:42 |
| @preaction | objectClass => [ qw( top inetOrgPerson ) ], | 21:42 |
| @preaction | userPassword => 'BrooksHatlen', | 21:43 |
| @preaction | ] | 21:43 |
| @preaction | ); | 21:43 |
| @preaction | $result->code && warn "failed to add entry: ", $result->error; | 21:44 |
| @preaction | $ldap->delete( 'cn=Brooks Hatlen,ou=Convicts,o=shawshank' ); | 21:44 |
| @preaction | $ldap->unbind; | 21:44 |
| @preaction | http://pastie.org/697717 | 21:44 |
| @preaction | ... nice | 21:44 |
| @preaction | http://pastie.org/697717 | 21:44 |
| @preaction | it was the missing objectClass that was causing the problem | 21:44 |
| @preaction | LDAP... is ... weird... | 21:44 |
| @preaction | it is incredibly powerful. it's like another relational database type if you want it to be | 21:44 |
| @preaction | all those new databases that just store dicts/hashes of data by an ID could be implemented in an LDAP fashion | 21:44 |
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| SquOnk | preaction: LDAP is not to be used as an RDBMS. It's painfully slow for writing. | 22:57 |
| @preaction | really? | 22:57 |
| @preaction | damn | 22:57 |
| SquOnk | preaction: Yes, really. | 22:57 |
| @preaction | it that just a product of the implementation? or is that a requirement of the protocol? | 22:57 |
| SquOnk | preaction: If you want to have fast serializing, you'll be better of using BerkeleyDB. No relations nor joins however. | 22:58 |
| SquOnk | preaction: A little bit of both. | 22:58 |
| @preaction | right, but there's those new database-like systems that are just storing hashes with keys | 22:58 |
| SquOnk | preaction: LDAP doesn't define the storage mechanism. You can have your directory on an SQL backend (which is NOT recommended AT ALL) | 22:58 |
| @preaction | i forget what they're named now | 22:58 |
| SquOnk | preaction: Since LDAP models data as a DAG (Directed Acyclic Graph), the relational model is quite bad for it. | 22:59 |
| SquOnk | preaction: So, what happened was that the hierarchical model of LDAP can be deployed using several DBM databases. | 22:59 |
| SquOnk | preaction: One stores the entries with a single primary key (objectID), the rest are for indexes. | 22:59 |
| SquOnk | preaction: Thus, reading is blazing fast. Writing, not much. | 23:00 |
| @preaction | KiokuDB, that's the one i'm thinking of | 23:00 |
| SquOnk | preaction: With OpenLDAP you can even mock up a database using Perl. | 23:00 |
| SquOnk | preaction: Take WebGUI, for instance: you _could_ handle all of the Profile part of it using LDAP. But the rest of it must be done inside a RDBMS. | 23:01 |
| SquOnk | preaction: The hierarchichal structure of Assets in WebGUI is not exactly like the one in LDAP, and even if it were I wouldn't use LDAP to store it. | 23:01 |
| @preaction | but LDAP is an ODBMS, like KiokuDB. WebGUI could be done (with much modification, of course) with an ODBMS | 23:01 |
| SquOnk | preaction: Using an ORDBMS would be better, yes. That's why I push PostgreSQL so much. | 23:02 |
| SquOnk | preaction: The lineage thing would be simpler, way faster and less prone to corruption, if subclassed tables were used. | 23:02 |
| @preaction | i wonder if using pg would make the DBIx::Class stuff I'm doing faster than the current mysql / WebGUI::Asset | 23:04 |
| @preaction | if we migrate to DBIx::Class, there's no cost to migrate to different dbms | 23:04 |
| @preaction | but would we get the benefit of pg's ordbms features when using an ORM like DBIx::Class? | 23:04 |
| SquOnk | preaction: Yes and no. | 23:09 |
| SquOnk | preaction: You cannot use Pg extra features on the client side. | 23:10 |
| SquOnk | preaction: You'd have to create stored procedures and use them as if they were tables. | 23:10 |
| SquOnk | preaction: Or you have to create custom DBIx::Class methods to handle the special things Pg can do. | 23:10 |
| @preaction | ah | 23:10 |
| SquOnk | preaction: But the main attractive of going DBIx::Class is being able to run on almost any database, but also being able to quickly migrate from one to the other, thanks to the fairy. | 23:12 |
| @preaction | right, i'm already doing it for that reason. i'd just like to be able to take advantage of ever more performance tweaks | 23:17 |
| @preaction | DBIx::Class introduces some overhead, so we have to be able to do more tweaks to get it as fast or faster than our current "solution" | 23:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, thanks | 23:38 |
| @preaction | for? | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | LDAP-ification | 23:39 |
| @preaction | http://pastie.org/697717 <- so you got this then? | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | I used the WebGUI Channel logging service | 23:39 |
| @preaction | k | 23:39 |
| @preaction | ah, mais oui | 23:39 |
| @preaction | i believe i've got a great percentage of the FormBuilder tested now, at least as far as the object manipulation goes | 23:40 |
| @preaction | just need to start messing with toHtml and the MooseX::Storage stuff (JSON serialization) | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | cool! | 23:40 |
| @preaction | once again TDD makes things easy | 23:40 |
| @preaction | took me today, that was it. not even 5 hours | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | After looking at LDAPlink code the last few days that I think we should start "sanctioned" maintenance projects | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | like, making LDAPLink an actual enclosed object class | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | they're things we want done, that should be small and well defined that we can hand off to anyone with tuits/time to help out | 23:42 |
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| SquOnk | All right, I'm off | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | ttyl | 01:21 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: You'll be here tomorrow? | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe, maybe not | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | housework calls | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | and a model train show :) | 01:21 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Ok. I'm going to try the sync on login thing | 01:21 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Oh, you like model trains? | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | you can email me if you have questions, too. | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I prefer large trains, but my sons like anything on rails | 01:21 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: We have a local Perl monger that created a complete control system using Perl and his craftsmanship as an electrical engineer | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | wow! | 01:22 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: And he showed us how it works about six meetings ago. | 01:22 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Progressive acceleration and all... | 01:22 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: He used his parallel port to control a home-made signal amplifier connected to the rails where he multiplexed digital pulses. | 01:23 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Very cool stuff. | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like home built DCC | 01:23 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: He's no programmer. He hacked up a PerlTk control system to move the trains around... | 01:23 |
| SquOnk | ...the changers and even a home-made turntable. | 01:23 |
| SquOnk | Very cool stuff. | 01:24 |
| SquOnk | Anyway, I'm off. | 01:24 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Thanks, I'll write if I get stuck. | 01:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | man, that took a very long time | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | but LDAP DN updates are done | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, just so you know, you can't use replace of modify to change the DN of an entry | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | you have to use moddn | 02:02 |
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| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc4e63df / (5 files in 4 dirs): Auto update user's DN if it changes on the LDAP server. Fixes bug #11217 - http://bit.ly/2ns4Y5 | 02:16 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r0ee28a1 / (5 files in 4 dirs): Auto update user's DN if it changes on the LDAP server. Fixes bug #11217 - http://bit.ly/1RmgNa | 02:16 |
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| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc4ab124 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo.pm : i18n the Add Photo save button - http://bit.ly/2h3RJH | 02:29 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r7eddaab / lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo.pm : i18n the Add Photo save button - http://bit.ly/CP9Oy | 02:29 |
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| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1f49737 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Allow other users to save photos into another user's album. Fixes bug #11228. - http://bit.ly/Pxl8w | 03:15 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra03d7e8 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Allow other users to save photos into another user's album. Fixes bug #11228. - http://bit.ly/2sR8ei | 03:15 |
| +perlDreamer | 5 bugs fixed today | 03:17 |
| +perlDreamer | not too shabby | 03:17 |
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| daviddelikat | HELLO HeLlo Hello hello | 20:06 |
| daviddelikat | is there anybody in there? | 20:06 |
| daviddelikat | just nod if you can hear me | 20:06 |
| fokat | Hi guys | 22:14 |
| fokat | Squonk spoke yesterday with someone about updating the user profile on each login | 22:14 |
| fokat | I have the patch ready. | 22:14 |
| @preaction | fokat: if it's a new feature, you should post it to the RFE board: http://webgui.org/rfe | 23:02 |
| @preaction | if it needs to be tested (anything non-GUI needs to be tested), or internationalized, that will have to be done before it can go into the core | 23:03 |
| @preaction | otherwise, if it's all i18ned and templated and tested, if it gets approved it'll go right in | 23:04 |
| fokat | preaction: Thanks. Will do that | 23:08 |
| @preaction | but yeah, post it there and we'll help you get it in | 23:09 |
| fokat | preaction: Done. RFE #11230 | 23:15 |
| fokat | Also attached the patch | 23:16 |
| daviddelikat | preaction: is it possible to get WG to put a stack dump in the log when an error occurs? | 23:18 |
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| @preaction | daviddelikat: add %T to the Pattern in the log.conf | 00:44 |
| @preaction | see the dogs for Log::Log4Perl | 00:44 |
| daviddelikat | thanks | 00:44 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 18:33 |
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| elnino | need a pointer...client would like to have nightly builds posted to website... | 03:33 |
| elnino | is that a workflow? activity? system cron with a macro displaying files? | 03:33 |
| elnino | brb in 45 minutes | 03:35 |
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| * elnino reads dev book for ideas | 04:28 | |
| @preaction | elnino: do you need webgui to build it? | 04:28 |
| @preaction | or is it already built? is there an RSS feed with the build reports maybe? | 04:28 |
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| elnino | preaction. no. webgui doesn't need to build it. it's already built. webgui has a fileimport utility script that will work well I believe. | 04:55 |
| elnino | is there a way to just list all the entries in the bazaar? | 04:59 |
| +perlDreamer | not yet | 04:59 |
| +perlDreamer | You haven't written that RFE yet | 04:59 |
| +perlDreamer | :) | 04:59 |
| elnino | =) | 04:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm working on an RFE that will change the face of WebGUI and affect the whole world | 05:00 |
| elnino | I like tagging and all, but I don't like how OTHERs tag things. | 05:00 |
| elnino | sounds serious. | 05:00 |
| +perlDreamer | It is. | 05:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm getting JT to shave | 05:00 |
| elnino | lol | 05:00 |
| +perlDreamer | no, seriously | 05:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm adding the option to pick a language from the site starter | 05:00 |
| elnino | ah. nice. | 05:01 |
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| elnino | hmm. where are the system reuirements stated in the wiki? searching for "requirements" only comes up with LDAP | 05:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | try searching for memory | 05:53 |
| elnino | nope | 05:53 |
| +perlDreamer | fokat, do you have any questions about my RFE feedback? | 05:54 |
| elnino | I mean, nope, no reults. =( | 05:54 |
| +perlDreamer | table of contents? | 05:54 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we don't have one yet? | 05:54 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/system-requirements | 05:56 |
| elnino | ok. why didn't http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/system-requirements come up by searching "requirement"? - I have nothign but problems with wiki searchs | 05:56 |
| elnino | found it too. =) | 05:56 |
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| daviddelikat1 | getting ready to push EMS submissions mach 2 | 06:06 |
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| daviddelikat1 | perlDreamer: I have two test modules that are failing due to 'bad plan' | 06:28 |
| daviddelikat1 | USPSInternational and Spectre/Workflow | 06:29 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 06:29 |
| daviddelikat1 | any suggestions? | 06:29 |
| +perlDreamer | yes. | 06:29 |
| +perlDreamer | please paste me some output | 06:29 |
| daviddelikat1 | do you want verbose? | 06:30 |
| +perlDreamer | definitely | 06:30 |
| +perlDreamer | but only for those two tests | 06:30 |
| daviddelikat1 | and whats that command to send nopaste to gist? | 06:30 |
| daviddelikat1 | of course | 06:30 |
| +perlDreamer | nopaste -S gist | 06:30 |
| daviddelikat1 | I get an error from nopaste, I'll just use the default... | 06:31 |
| daviddelikat1 | oops, gotta redirect stderr... I'll get it eventlually | 06:32 |
| daviddelikat1 | http://pastie.org/700562 | 06:32 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be easier if you just signed up for a dev key from the USPS | 06:32 |
| daviddelikat1 | theoretically... | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, USPSInternational fixed | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | Spectre/Workflow is an awful test | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | if spectre is running, it will fail | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm probably going to remove it | 06:33 |
| daviddelikat1 | there is a skip that says 8 when there are only 7 tests | 06:33 |
| daviddelikat1 | just needs to have the skip and the plan fixed | 06:34 |
| daviddelikat1 | you want me to change it? | 06:34 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah! | 06:34 |
| daviddelikat1 | done | 06:34 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd14fcd9 / t/Shop/ShipDriver/USPSInternational.t : Fix test plan for SKIPS. - http://bit.ly/4ueYPG | 06:34 |
| elnino | as far as templates go, h1 in styles, h2 layouts h3 assets. Is that still correct? anyone know? when did that start? | 06:35 |
| +perlDreamer | it started in 7.7.15 | 06:36 |
| +perlDreamer | and that sounds correct, elnino | 06:36 |
| +perlDreamer | the Template Working Group forum is the place to check for that | 06:36 |
| +perlDreamer | and hopefully, some wiki pages, too | 06:37 |
| +perlDreamer | Template Best Working Practices? | 06:37 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: daviddelikat master * r7f6c24e / (10 files in 6 dirs): rather a lot of debugging in the EMS Submission system - http://bit.ly/3w1s0m | 06:37 |
| daviddelikat1 | thar she blows! | 06:37 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: daviddelikat master * r4278058 / (30 files in 19 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/1seGNy | 06:37 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: daviddelikat master * r26ef90d / t/Shop/ShipDriver/USPSInternational.t : Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/1BMybq | 06:37 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: daviddelikat master * r9dd7056 / (t/Asset/EMSSubmissionForm.t t/Spectre/Workflow.t): fixed tests - http://bit.ly/31j77q | 06:37 |
| +perlDreamer | nice :) | 06:37 |
| +perlDreamer | although, Spectre/Workflow.t tests should be backported to webgui_7.7 | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | with that commit structure, that'll have to be done by hand | 06:38 |
| daviddelikat1 | I should be able to checkout webgui_7.7 and fix it right? | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 06:38 |
| daviddelikat1 | I'll get it right now | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | create a branch of origin/webgui_7.7 to work in | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | just like you would master | 06:38 |
| daviddelikat1 | ( otherwise it could have bene cherry picked... | 06:39 |
| daviddelikat1 | right ? ) | 06:39 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 06:39 |
| +perlDreamer | I make lots of and lots of small commits now | 06:39 |
| +perlDreamer | because it's easier to do multiple cherry picks than to duplicate work by hand | 06:39 |
| daviddelikat1 | I've been trying to remember to do that too | 06:39 |
| daviddelikat1 | takes a whilel to break old habts | 06:39 |
| daviddelikat1 | do I need to pull anything special to get that branch? | 06:41 |
| +perlDreamer | when you make the branch, you should need to do a pull to populate it | 06:41 |
| +perlDreamer | git checkout --track -b webgui_7.7 origin/webgui_7.7 | 06:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I think that's the right command | 06:41 |
| +perlDreamer | that will create the branch and put you into it | 06:42 |
| +perlDreamer | then do a git pull | 06:42 |
| +perlDreamer | and you should be good to go | 06:42 |
| daviddelikat1 | it says fatal: ... update path is incomplete | 06:43 |
| daviddelikat1 | did you intend to checkout 'orgin/webgui_7.7'' which cannot be resolved as a commit? | 06:44 |
| daviddelikat1 | sorry I had to type it all in, no copy paste from vnc | 06:44 |
| elnino | thanks perlDreamer. | 06:46 |
| @preaction | remotes/origin/webgui_7.7 | 06:46 |
| daviddelikat1 | same thing | 06:47 |
| daviddelikat1 | http://pastie.org/700576 | 06:47 |
| daviddelikat1 | perhaps I need to do something else before I can do the checkout... | 06:49 |
| daviddelikat1 | perlDreamer: you probably could cherrypick that commit to 7.7 there are only two files in it and one of them won't exist in the 7.7 branch. | 06:54 |
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| * perlDreamer will do the right thing | 07:55 | |
| +perlDreamer | but we need to get you setup for both branches | 07:55 |
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| CIA-49 | webgui: Yung Han Khoe master * r8a978e6 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy/ThingRecord.pm : Separating ThingRecord object from Thingy - http://bit.ly/3Bafee | 12:51 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Yung Han Khoe master * r7188b11 / (12 files in 8 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/1spfdh | 12:51 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Yung Han Khoe master * rdf84c60 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Separating ThingRecord object from Thingy - http://bit.ly/3JOfYO | 12:53 |
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| CIA-49 | webgui: Yung Han Khoe master * r2987ed4 / lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm : Changing some SQL methods to quote table names - http://bit.ly/1AYXEe | 13:12 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 15:38 |
| +BartJol | hi | 15:40 |
| carogray | goodday guys - where in settings does on turn captcha for sending emails from the website on? | 15:43 |
| +BartJol | what kind of e-mails? | 15:44 |
| +BartJol | i mean wherefrom? | 15:45 |
| +BartJol | not everything can have a captcha afaik | 15:45 |
| carogray | when people are using our contact us form and replying to us, OR, sending emails to someone else. | 15:45 |
| carogray | I had it turned on before, but it wasn't working - didn't hav etime to describe what wasn't working to PB so turned it back off again | 15:46 |
| carogray | now I can't figure out how to turn it on, to remember what the problem was to see if it's me or WG | 15:46 |
| carogray | I can only find the one captcha image in authentication tab in settings | 15:46 |
| carogray | recaptcha in UI tab seems to be something different | 15:47 |
| carogray | looks interesting but I don't have time to get distracted | 15:47 |
| carogray | oh duh! | 15:48 |
| carogray | I just didn't look at the abottom of the form | 15:48 |
| +BartJol | :), sorry, i was in a short meating, but is it ok now? | 15:49 |
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| +BartJol | carogray: you are ok on this? | 15:57 |
| carogray | oh yeah - sometimes I am just so thick...got caught up with an office mate stopping by, always happens when I come IN to work. | 16:04 |
| carogray | do you have to do anything to your templates if you have captcha for visitors turned on? | 16:05 |
| +BartJol | normally not | 16:06 |
| +BartJol | for default templatesa | 16:06 |
| +BartJol | if think there is something like <tmpl_if ifCapcha><tmpl_var captcha></tmpl_if> in it | 16:07 |
| carogray | oh - right ok. | 16:09 |
| carogray | makes sense. I am just trying to do everything in hurry today. | 16:09 |
| carogray | thanks | 16:09 |
| +BartJol | np | 16:10 |
| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:14 |
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| +BartJol | thankfully, I'm back to hating IE again | 16:19 |
| SDuensin | Hehehe | 16:21 |
| SDuensin | You gave it up for awhile? | 16:22 |
| +BartJol | yeah, with the developer tools and tabbed browsing, quite w3c compliantcy it didn't seem that bad anymore | 16:22 |
| +BartJol | but a pop up blocker that you just can't turn off is terrible, even select menu's don'y open | 16:23 |
| +BartJol | reinstalling now... | 16:41 |
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| carogray | in the ^international macro - how can I change the language that says "Verify your humanity"? | 16:56 |
| +BartJol | as far as I can see the language cannot be passed on as a parameter to the macro | 16:58 |
| +BartJol | carogray: from the code: | 16:59 |
| +BartJol | Note that a particular language cannot be specified. It uses either the | 16:59 |
| +BartJol | current User's setting or the default language for the site. English is | 16:59 |
| +BartJol | always used as a fallback. | 16:59 |
| +BartJol | so instead of the macro, you can change it to just text | 17:01 |
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| +BartJol | but then that is "hardcoded" | 17:01 |
| +BartJol | but if you pass on the language, the same would happen | 17:01 |
| +BartJol | cool, a bsod | 17:04 |
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| +BartJol | carogray: is that enough answer? | 17:17 |
| carogray | people keep stoppping by... sorry | 17:18 |
| carogray | so I can simply replace the whole macro - it seems to have two arguments with the text I want people to read? | 17:18 |
| +BartJol | i'm jsut bugging, because I had to restart my windows computer for the4th time | 17:18 |
| +BartJol | yes, it's the label and namespace | 17:19 |
| carogray | terrific - I suspected but wasn't sure if it was also related to the image and the box to type image letters into. what's Dutch for "wunderbar"? | 17:19 |
| +BartJol | it refers to a file and a tag in the file | 17:19 |
| +BartJol | wonderbaarlijk | 17:20 |
| +BartJol | it shouldn't | 17:20 |
| carogray | ok , then that;-) thanks again. | 17:20 |
| +BartJol | well, ie works now | 17:21 |
| +BartJol | so I can get back to work | 17:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | whoa | 17:32 |
| +perlDreamer | new thingy code | 17:32 |
| +BartJol | yeah, yung has been busy | 17:33 |
| +perlDreamer | let's see how the test suite survived the changes | 17:35 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol, did you see that I coded up the language choice RFE? | 17:35 |
| +BartJol | yeah, great! | 17:36 |
| +BartJol | but I've been struggling witj IE the whole afternoon | 17:36 |
| +BartJol | but I'll try a new install | 17:36 |
| +BartJol | soon | 17:37 |
| +perlDreamer | IE | 17:38 |
| * perlDreamer shudders | 17:38 | |
| +BartJol | yeah, had to reinstall it, 4 reboots and 1 bsod | 17:38 |
| +BartJol | but now it opens drop down menu's.... | 17:38 |
| +BartJol | it's fantastic | 17:38 |
| +BartJol | and if you don't see the sarcasm dropping from that remark, you need an eye-doctor | 17:39 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: It will soon drop dead menus <g> | 17:39 |
| +BartJol | I expect anything now | 17:40 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: Expect the unexpected | 17:40 |
| SquOnk | Favorite quote from "Kentucky Fried Movie" | 17:41 |
| +BartJol | I like "With a bit of luck, his life was ruined forever, always thinking that behind some narrow doors in all his favourite bars, men in red woolen shirts are getting incredible kicks of things he'll never know" from fear and loathing in las vegas | 17:43 |
| +BartJol | and I don't need a text reference | 17:43 |
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| @Haarg | morning patspam | 17:53 |
| +patspam | hey graham | 17:53 |
| +patspam | how you doin? | 17:54 |
| @Haarg | well enough. still trying to wake up. | 17:54 |
| +patspam | heh i feel you | 17:55 |
| +patspam | today I'm house hunting | 17:56 |
| +patspam | time to move off long island and into nyc | 17:56 |
| +perlDreamer | make sure it's season, and that you have a license, patspam | 17:58 |
| +perlDreamer | prosecution for poaching in New York has big fines | 17:58 |
| +patspam | i heard they cut off your left hand? | 17:58 |
| +perlDreamer | that's just for theft | 17:58 |
| +patspam | hey are you using ubuntu now perlDreamer? | 18:00 |
| +perlDreamer | not yet | 18:00 |
| +patspam | I just discovered Gnome Do | 18:00 |
| +patspam | freaking awesome.. i think OSX has something similar? | 18:01 |
| * perlDreamer asks Google about Gnome Do | 18:01 | |
| +patspam | it sort of combines the best of command line expressiveness with gui sexiness | 18:02 |
| +patspam | especially if you turn on the "docky" theme | 18:02 |
| SDuensin | Do looks cool. Also looks frighteningly like Yahoo desktop widgets. | 18:07 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, i'm considering adding something like this http://gist.github.com/236090 | 18:20 |
| @Haarg | right now, the default message for errors in many cases doesn't include much (or sometimes any) information | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | it looks like a serializer | 18:22 |
| +perlDreamer | Looks good to me | 18:22 |
| +perlDreamer | is the Fields method defined somewhere? | 18:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't see it in the Exception::Class docs | 18:24 |
| @Haarg | Exception::Class::Base | 18:24 |
| @Haarg | as an example, lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm line 1268 does WebGUI::Error::ObjectNotFound->throw(id => $assetId) | 18:24 |
| @Haarg | when stringified, that currently becomes "" | 18:24 |
| @Haarg | which is less than helpful | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | definitely | 18:30 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Yung Han Khoe master * r3d88789 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Separating Thing object from Thingy - http://bit.ly/2EnAUa | 18:38 |
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| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rfaa176d / docs/credits.txt : Give Dale credit for LDAP patches. - http://bit.ly/4ygAIa | 18:40 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra5880dd / docs/credits.txt : Give Dale credit for LDAP patches. - http://bit.ly/3Egh7P | 18:40 |
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| +BartJol | hey | 18:48 |
| dreamersgirl | Nice pics, BartJol! | 18:51 |
| +BartJol | dreamersgirl: I hope you understand that more tiles to a wall eq better and newer | 18:51 |
| +BartJol | in the beginning it was the other way | 18:51 |
| dreamersgirl | I like the patterns. | 18:54 |
| +BartJol | yeah, it took some thought, and thankfully my father is really interested in architecture and drawing | 18:56 |
| +BartJol | so he helped on the interval of the tiles | 18:56 |
| +BartJol | to get extra 3d effect | 18:56 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: is there somewhere I can check your code? | 18:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | I can paste a patch, but JT hasn't given the go-ahead to commit yet | 18:58 |
| dreamersgirl | forget the code. you should see his pics! :) | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | where are they? | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/236133 | 18:59 |
| +BartJol | they're onhttp://www.bartjol.nl/home/fotoalbums/fortos/klus20091116 | 18:59 |
| +BartJol | and you get to see my father | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | you have his hair :) | 19:02 |
| dreamersgirl | who's the other guy? | 19:02 |
| +BartJol | Arnoud and Sjoerd, freinds of mine | 19:03 |
| +BartJol | Sjoerd is the guy in the blue shirt, cleaning the tiles | 19:03 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: thanks... | 19:04 |
| dreamersgirl | cool. nice to have help on projects like that! | 19:04 |
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| +BartJol | yeah, tiling is a two men job (maybe not if you're a real pro) | 19:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | man the i18n RFE has tons of karma on it | 19:05 |
| +BartJol | yeah, I throwed some around | 19:06 |
| PCCC | good afternoon webgui people can anybody help me on a Authorization Required error | 19:06 |
| +BartJol | if you want to do something else, spend all yours on another rfe | 19:06 |
| +BartJol | sure pcc | 19:06 |
| +BartJol | c | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | you could throw some more if you committed your tests, BartJol :) | 19:06 |
| +BartJol | yeah yeah, I know | 19:07 |
| PCCC | the file is set view everyone | 19:07 |
| +BartJol | PCCC: how did the file get there? | 19:07 |
| PCCC | moved from another webgui dump | 19:07 |
| PCCC | i'll tell you my story | 19:08 |
| +BartJol | start at your birth :P | 19:08 |
| +BartJol | sorry | 19:08 |
| +BartJol | please do | 19:08 |
| PCCC | lol well somebody here setup a webgui server super wrong, and put it live, the server had all sort of dns error and spectre, so i took the data (upload folder) and a sql dump and create a new webgui server i change the chown -Rf webgui:webgui to the upload folder | 19:09 |
| +BartJol | very good | 19:10 |
| +BartJol | that would be necessary | 19:10 |
| PCCC | i cant' take the conf files because they are poiting to the wrong paths | 19:10 |
| +BartJol | and you can use that file? | 19:10 |
| PCCC | if i login to the admin , all my files work fine | 19:11 |
| +BartJol | ok, so as admin on the site, it is ok, as other user it is not | 19:13 |
| PCCC | correct | 19:13 |
| +BartJol | well, it doesn't sound like a problem on the filesystem | 19:14 |
| PCCC | both server are on the same version of webgui | 19:14 |
| PCCC | could it be the www.sitename.conf file? | 19:15 |
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| BartJol1 | aoops | 19:16 |
| BartJol1 | network cable must be in computer | 19:16 |
| BartJol1 | and you did say that security settin was set to visible for everyone | 19:16 |
| PCCC | lol | 19:16 |
| PCCC | yes | 19:17 |
| BartJol1 | do you have anything in your error log? | 19:17 |
| PCCC | webgui.log doesn't show any errors regarding that | 19:18 |
| BartJol1 | perlDreamer: code looks nice | 19:18 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, BartJo1 :) | 19:18 |
| PCCC | i have some rss issues but that's it | 19:18 |
| BartJol1 | PCCC: modproxy/modperl error logs? | 19:19 |
| PCCC | modproxy is clean | 19:19 |
| PCCC | modperl linux ::smaps errors | 19:20 |
| BartJol1 | mmm, that could be something | 19:21 |
| @Haarg | rm /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/Linux/Smaps.pm | 19:21 |
| BartJol1 | never seen those errors though | 19:21 |
| BartJol1 | is it deprecated? or buggy? | 19:22 |
| @Haarg | Linux::Smaps is a module that should allow modperl to measure its own memory more accurately but it is broken on red hat kernels | 19:22 |
| BartJol1 | ah | 19:22 |
| PCCC | permission denied smaps | 19:22 |
| BartJol1 | that's why I haven't seen it, with debian/ubuntu | 19:22 |
| BartJol1 | just throw a sudo into it | 19:23 |
| BartJol1 | who doesn't want to listen, must feel | 19:23 |
| PCCC | u want me rm /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/Linux/Smaps.pm? | 19:23 |
| BartJol1 | yes | 19:23 |
| @Haarg | yes | 19:23 |
| BartJol1 | are you on a redhattish system? | 19:24 |
| PCCC | done | 19:24 |
| @Haarg | then restart modperl | 19:24 |
| PCCC | it's the vm that webgui provides | 19:24 |
| @Haarg | which is centos | 19:24 |
| PCCC | 5.2 | 19:24 |
| @Haarg | the smaps problem is something we'll be fixing in future releases | 19:24 |
| @Haarg | i haven't been following the whole conversation so i don't know if that is related to whatever your earlier problem was | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not likely | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | it's permissions problems with an uploaded file | 19:25 |
| BartJol1 | he can't enter files as another user than admins | 19:25 |
| BartJol1 | more delicated stated by mister Kuskie | 19:26 |
| BartJol1 | delicate just isn't my middle name | 19:26 |
| PCCC | ok BartJol1 no more smaps errors | 19:26 |
| BartJol1 | nice | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | to upload files, you have to have editing permission to the page where you want to upload them | 19:27 |
| BartJol1 | and file access? | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | for viewing files, that's a different story altogether | 19:27 |
| BartJol1 | you need view permissions? | 19:27 |
| PCCC | this file is a picture for my public web | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | and you can't upload it, or you can't view it? | 19:28 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Yung Han Khoe master * rf3a4bd1 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.8.4-7.8.5.pl : Bugfix in thingy upgrade - http://bit.ly/xfPm6 | 19:29 |
| PCCC | i can view the picture in the asset manager , it's there but when log of its doesn't come in my layout | 19:29 |
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| BartJol1 | and if you go directly to the url of the picture? | 19:30 |
| PCCC | before the guy that set it up said that he has seen this issue and he fixed it by bringing the old config files from another sever i guess to the one he set up (which sucks) | 19:30 |
| PCCC | when i go directly i get the authorization required error | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | and if you are logged in, and you go to the URL of the picture, it works fine | 19:32 |
| PCCC | correct | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | if you are logged in as some other user who is not admin, can you see the picture at that URL? | 19:33 |
| PCCC | i checked both www.siten.conf files and they look the same except for the thingy part | 19:33 |
| BartJol1 | that is what i understand, with no errors in the log | 19:33 |
| PCCC | i have no idea what it could be, the file system has the correct rights | 19:38 |
| BartJol1 | and the chmod is also correct? | 19:39 |
| BartJol1 | the modus i mean? | 19:39 |
| PCCC | i did chown no chmod | 19:39 |
| BartJol1 | I know | 19:39 |
| BartJol1 | I don't know whether that matters | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | in the filesystem, apache is always the same user | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | so it won't matter | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | but... | 19:39 |
| BartJol1 | ok | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | in the upload area, there could be a small file called | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | .wgaccess | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | that contains WebGUI permissions | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | if it is set wrongly, and apache cannot update it | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | you could see the problem that you are having | 19:40 |
| PCCC | i m doing a search for .wgaccess and i found 5 of them inside differente folder inside the upload folder | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | check file level permissions on them | 19:42 |
| PCCC | rw-r--r webgui | 19:43 |
| PCCC | because i did a chwon -Rf webgui:webgui uploads | 19:44 |
| BartJol1 | have to go now, good luck | 19:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | PCCC, next thing to do is check the contents | 19:46 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7c24012 / (4 files in 4 dirs): In the site starter, allow users to pick the default language for a site based on installed language packs. Adds RFE #10727. - http://bit.ly/3pz7B6 | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | drat, he just missed it | 19:46 |
| PCCC | by the content you mean the actual picture? | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | the contents of the .wgaccess file | 19:48 |
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| PCCC | perlDreamer am i supposed to have .wgaccess files in all my folders or can i just delete them? | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | they denote files with special access privileges | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | so I would not delete them | 19:58 |
| PCCC | ok | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | what you want to do is see if the file you uploaded has a .wgaccess file in it, and if so, to find the permissions that are stored in it | 19:59 |
| PCCC | i checked the folder and it doesnt contain a .wgaccess file on the folder | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Have you cleared the Cache in WebGUI, and Temporary Internet Files on your browser? | 20:02 |
| PCCC | yes sir, using 3 different pcs to test | 20:02 |
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| PCCC | im looking at my modproxy config and i see a difference in "dial with port number in http_host | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | and when you get the error message in your browser, what is the exact error message? | 20:03 |
| PCCC | that section is not on my new config | 20:04 |
| @Haarg | can you post your site's modproxy config on http://webgui.pastebin.com ? | 20:05 |
| PCCC | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m19a2a5fe | 20:07 |
| @Haarg | that all looks correct to me | 20:10 |
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| @preaction | damnit. so my idea to keep tabs, fields, and fieldsets seperate in the new FormBuilder won't work | 21:17 |
| @preaction | how do you get a button on both the top and bottom? for example | 21:18 |
| @preaction | a captcha on the bottom and a normal keyword field on top? | 21:18 |
| @preaction | it's like i need a way to put all the objects into a single array | 21:19 |
| @preaction | fields, fieldsets, and tabsets | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | you're saying they need to interrelate | 21:21 |
| @preaction | not sure what interrelate means, but i need to do this: | 21:22 |
| @preaction | [ WebGUI::Form::Text, WebGUI::FormBuilder::Fieldset, WebGUI::Form::Submit ] | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, they're related by sequence | 21:23 |
| @preaction | i could just keep tabs somewhere special (either top or bottom, based on a configuration) | 21:23 |
| @preaction | or I could make a Tabset object as well | 21:23 |
| @preaction | then you could have two tabsets each containing 3 tabs with a fieldset between them | 21:24 |
| @preaction | duh. the ordering can all be done in the template | 21:31 |
| @preaction | but tabsets may still be a good idear | 21:32 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1db4a7f / (3 files in 3 dirs): Allow file globbing in preload.exclude - http://bit.ly/UNHmQ | 21:49 |
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| PCCC | question can anybody explain why would my modproxy would stop working after a mysql import | 22:26 |
| @preaction | because it can't connect to modperl? | 22:31 |
| PCCC | but all of the sudden, it was working fine 10 min ago | 22:33 |
| @preaction | but immediately after a mysql import it stopped working? | 22:34 |
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| PCCC | yes | 22:39 |
| PCCC | as soon as i do the import i get "an error has occurred" and i try to restart the servvices and they don't work | 22:40 |
| PCCC | modproxy and modperl | 22:40 |
| @preaction | what says "an error has occurred", and what is a mysql import? are you trying to restore WebGUI from a backup? | 22:41 |
| PCCC | however when i bring an older backup copy of the same database it works | 22:41 |
| PCCC | well i m porting the files from another server to a new host | 22:41 |
| @preaction | what says "an error has occurred"? what is the full error message exactly? what is the command you are running exactly? | 22:42 |
| PCCC | mysql -u root -p database < sql dump file | 22:43 |
| @preaction | you named your file "sql dump file"? | 22:44 |
| ckotil | just sql | 22:57 |
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| elnino | hi. I have fedora 2.6.30.9-96.fc11.i686.PAE installed, whiich wre do I use? rhel 5,4, or 3? | 23:35 |
| +perlDreamer | 5 | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | well... | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, 5 | 23:38 |
| elnino | how do you find that out? | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | RHEL is based on Fedora | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | the latest centos is 5 | 23:39 |
| elnino | right | 23:39 |
| elnino | centos? | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | CentOS is RHEL recompiled without branding | 23:40 |
| elnino | whoops. I though fedora was based on redhat. | 23:41 |
| ckotil | it is. | 23:42 |
| ckotil | oh , vice versa. :x | 23:43 |
| elnino | well, what kernal does rhel 5 have? | 23:44 |
| elnino | is it 2.6? | 23:44 |
| ckotil | yes. | 23:45 |
| elnino | ok. so I do want 5. thanks ckotil and perlDreamer | 23:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm off to pick up the boys from school. | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | If all goes well, WebGUI 7.8.5 will be the first WebGUI shipped with language packs. | 00:02 |
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| topsub | if i build a site in webgui. Can it change lang on the fly? Is anything like that built? | 00:08 |
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| topsub | Or waht would be the best way to handle that? | 00:10 |
| elnino | topsub. the content needs to be translated, so you'll have a site for each language. | 00:11 |
| elnino | and there are some things on the bazaar that may help a user to switch between languages | 00:11 |
| elnino | OR | 00:11 |
| elnino | if you are talking about webgui's admin interface, apparantly there is translations that can be changed on the fly. | 00:12 |
| elnino | but back to the bilingual content, | 00:12 |
| topsub | Just the frontend | 00:12 |
| topsub | We have a client that would like a site in spanish and english | 00:12 |
| elnino | you can have "multiple" sites by having multiple "roots" | 00:12 |
| elnino | then I'd do multiple roots. | 00:12 |
| elnino | root for english, and a root for spanish. - each being their own "site" whose content has been translated. | 00:13 |
| elnino | I had a site that had 18 languages each with their own root. | 00:14 |
| elnino | design stays the same that way. | 00:14 |
| elnino | and as far as translating the navigation assets, I had a macro pulling in the correct one based on what root the visitor was visiting. | 00:14 |
| elnino | scratch that.. I had to do that for a nother reason. You shouldn't have to do that. =) | 00:15 |
| topsub | ah | 00:25 |
| elnino | hope that makes sense AND helps. | 00:26 |
| topsub | yes it does | 00:26 |
| topsub | client only wants certain pagesi n spanish | 00:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | topsub, some i18n tools for doing that were just added to 7.8 | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | and there is some stuff in the Bazaar you should look at | 00:31 |
| topsub | perfect, i'm making notes now, will take a look | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | topsub, this one in particular: http://www.webgui.org/bazaar/languagepageswitch | 00:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | starting in WebGUI 7.8.5, WebGUI will ship with the Spanish translation for the front end, and have a macro that lets users change their language on the fly | 00:35 |
| topsub | nice! we need a way if we are logged into "bookmark" addons, like on themeforest | 00:35 |
| topsub | themeforest.net | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I think there's a wG bookmarks RFE. | 00:36 |
| topsub | is 7.8 coming out soon? | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | we have 7.8 releases every other week | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.8.5 is out tomorrow | 00:40 |
| topsub | liek stable release? | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | stable is in a few weeks, I believe | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | if I can close the bug list out, sooner | 00:41 |
| topsub | ah | 00:41 |
| topsub | will we be able to upgrade from 7.7 up to 7.8? | 00:41 |
| topsub | I'm making a new server | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | there will be a way to upgrade from 7.7 to 7.8 | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | as always | 00:41 |
| topsub | if i remember isn't there going to have a complete rewrite were we can't upgrade i thought | 00:41 |
| topsub | code changes and such | 00:42 |
| @preaction | topsub: yes. that's WebGUI 8. and it will be mostly upgradable, the problem will only be if you've written custom code | 00:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | it will be like wG 6, but smaller in scope. | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | and with tests to back it up | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | and a fixed schedule | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | the big goal is wG8 is performance | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I think if you check out JT's blog there's a link in there to his keynote from WUC 2k9 | 01:05 |
| topsub | nice | 01:08 |
| topsub | heading home bbl | 01:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: did you add downloadable MIME types to the SQL Report, back in the day? | 02:18 |
| @preaction | yeah, all that download stuff is mine | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | a bug was filed about macro processing in the download via template | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | was there ever any intent to bypass macro processing in that code, by a particular mime type? | 02:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm stuck between adding an option to process macros in the template, and just processing them if a template is used. | 02:20 |
| +perlDreamer | the change to Session->output->print changed the default behavior | 02:22 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r67c66c8 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy/ThingRecord.pm : Remove deprecated use of defined() on hashes. - http://bit.ly/1HV31q | 02:28 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r01e873e / (2 files in 2 dirs): i18n the download type choices in the SQL Report. - http://bit.ly/4oyqzl | 02:29 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re7fd10b / (2 files in 2 dirs): i18n the download type choices in the SQL Report. - http://bit.ly/25CyfW | 02:29 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: i would say just process macros, it wasn't my intent to bypass them (it was the very first code i wrote for webgui) | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | right after I uncuddle your else's | 02:39 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc8bda63 / t/Asset/Wobject/SQLReport.t : Test maintenance. - http://bit.ly/37WN69 | 03:02 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r376ae82 / t/Asset/Wobject/SQLReport.t : Test maintenance. - http://bit.ly/ztwMZ | 03:02 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r110a236 / (2 files in 2 dirs): When using a download template, macros are always processed in the output. fixes bug #11242. - http://bit.ly/4Fzlve | 03:02 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rbb58ce3 / (2 files in 2 dirs): When using a download template, macros are always processed in the output. fixes bug #11242. - http://bit.ly/2vEkei | 03:02 |
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| * perlDreamer heads off to fix dinner | 03:07 | |
| elnino | hi. someone here helped me access the wreconsole using ssh or something, is that someone here? | 03:08 |
| elnino | it was like some redirect using putty or something. | 03:11 |
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| elnino | or perhaps there is a way to setup webgui/wre without using the wreconsole during installation. I can't seem to get thru to 60834 | 03:16 |
| +perlDreamer | have you checked the wiki? | 03:22 |
| +perlDreamer | or checked the logs? | 03:22 |
| elnino | I dont' know what to search for... | 03:22 |
| +perlDreamer | WRE setup installation | 03:22 |
| elnino | and I have an bug report on the wiki search =) | 03:22 |
| elnino | oh. no that page doesn't have anything about the redirect. | 03:22 |
| elnino | someone here had helped me access the console without having to muck with port 60834. | 03:23 |
| elnino | if I remembe correctly, it was using putty and redirecting something or ??? | 03:24 |
| elnino | it was way over my head, but it worked really nice. | 03:24 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe using port forwarding...? | 03:25 |
| elnino | yes, that. | 03:26 |
| +perlDreamer | are you sure you talked about it in channel? | 03:26 |
| elnino | LONG ago. | 03:26 |
| +perlDreamer | try here: http://mentalhouse.net/irc/logs/webgui/2009-03.log | 03:26 |
| elnino | yep. that's me!! | 03:27 |
| elnino | thanks! | 03:27 |
| +perlDreamer | please wiki that? | 03:28 |
| +perlDreamer | the problem and solution? | 03:28 |
| elnino | absolutely. I was planning on it. | 03:28 |
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| elnino | it worked! I'll write a wiki later tonight. | 04:11 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5bf3e44 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Accept time zones with spaces or underscores to help users. - http://bit.ly/1TDEPl | 04:32 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re4072f1 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Accept time zones with spaces or underscores to help users. - http://bit.ly/10Xxgv | 04:32 |
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| elnino | grr.. | 05:03 |
| elnino | in 7.6 something, I created a package with many children and I'm importing it to 7.7.26. and I'm losing all the children except for one. | 05:05 |
| elnino | in the webgui log, I'm getting: Couldn't compile asset package: WebGUI::Asset::RSSFromParent. | 05:06 |
| +perlDreamer | RSSFromParent doesn't exist in 7.7 | 05:08 |
| +perlDreamer | the thing to do is to upgrade the 7.6 site to the point where RSSFromParent was removed | 05:08 |
| +perlDreamer | and then make the package | 05:08 |
| elnino | my articles and redirects were deleted as well. | 05:09 |
| elnino | I checked the system clipboard too. | 05:09 |
| elnino | I also opened up the package and everything is in there. | 05:11 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, is that on the originating site, or the importing site? | 05:12 |
| elnino | the file generated from the originating site has the appropriate contents (opened it with tar) | 05:13 |
| elnino | when I import it, th eonly thing that gets imported is the parent (page layout) and one child (CS asset) | 05:13 |
| elnino | redirects and article assets are gone. | 05:13 |
| * perlDreamer reiterates the original advice. | 05:13 | |
| elnino | I have two packages like this. both failed the same way. | 05:13 |
| +perlDreamer | the CS is not being fully imported | 05:13 |
| elnino | I'm scared of 7.7. =) | 05:14 |
| +perlDreamer | because of the old, deprecated RssFromParent asset | 05:14 |
| +perlDreamer | you could also try turning off the RSS Feed for the CS, and then turning it back on in 7.7 | 05:14 |
| elnino | the cs imported fine. (execpt fothe rss parent) There were no threads to begin with. So I don't know if they would have owrkd or not. | 05:14 |
| +perlDreamer | turn it off in 7.6, export, import to 7.7, turn it back on | 05:15 |
| elnino | turn off the rss parent? | 05:15 |
| elnino | ok. | 05:15 |
| +perlDreamer | in old 7.6, you can tell the CS whether or not you want to use RSS | 05:16 |
| elnino | yep | 05:16 |
| +perlDreamer | if you turn it off, it should delete the RssFromParent | 05:16 |
| elnino | did navigationi assets change much? | 05:16 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 05:16 |
| elnino | that did it. the rss feed must of crapped out enough to prevent everything else from working. | 05:20 |
| elnino | is that going to be a problem when I upgrade my sites to 7.7? | 05:22 |
| +perlDreamer | no, only if you port packages from old RSS to new RSS | 05:31 |
| +perlDreamer | an exported package doesn't go through the upgrade process | 05:31 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino: is there really an awstats workflow, or is it the send stats workflow? | 05:38 |
| elnino | Sorry. I meant the send stats worksflow. | 05:38 |
| elnino | I don't know if that request is possible. | 05:39 |
| elnino | because Idon't know if you know if awstats is configured or not. | 05:39 |
| elnino | a brand new site, and I hosed it. grr. | 05:39 |
| elnino | I can go to the asset manager for /home, but when I try to view it I get a An error was encountered while processing your request. | 05:41 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not awstats, it's WebGUI Stats | 05:41 |
| +perlDreamer | reset the site from create.sql? | 05:42 |
| elnino | oh. what is webgui stats? | 05:43 |
| +perlDreamer | It's a way to help the WebGUI developers know what all is being used in WebGUI | 05:45 |
| +perlDreamer | it sends back the size of your site (users, groups, pages) which assets are being used, which macros are being used, stuff like that | 05:45 |
| +perlDreamer | just statistical data | 05:46 |
| elnino | oh. well, I said no to that, but the workflow was set to yes. | 05:46 |
| +perlDreamer | the workflow is enabled, but the cron job that calls the workflow to send the data was never created. | 05:47 |
| +perlDreamer | remember, workflows have to have a trigger | 05:47 |
| elnino | you mean, activity. | 05:49 |
| elnino | right? | 05:49 |
| +perlDreamer | No, workflows | 05:50 |
| elnino | 'cron job' = 'activity', right? | 05:50 |
| elnino | grr. No, *I* meant. under the scheduler. | 05:52 |
| elnino | not activity. Iknow what an activity is. | 05:52 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, elnino. I hate debating semantics. | 05:53 |
| elnino | No, I'm sorry. I'm not trying to debate. I just want to make sure I'm understanding correctly. | 05:54 |
| +perlDreamer | The bottom line is that it was confusing that you said "No" to Statistics, but saw that the Workflow was enabled. | 05:56 |
| elnino | yes. | 05:56 |
| elnino | looking in the advisories, what is the new way to access the rss feed now? | 06:23 |
| +perlDreamer | you append ?func=viewRss to the URL | 06:31 |
| elnino | nothign i nthe wikis either. But I'll put it there. Thanks | 06:31 |
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| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra63dfa3 / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.5/style_03.wgpkg : Fix a typo in the updated style03 template. - http://bit.ly/hzBZl | 07:42 |
| elnino | will having perl and wre's perl installed on the same machine be a problem? | 07:59 |
| +perlDreamer | nope | 08:00 |
| +perlDreamer | just be sure you always do a setenvironment.sh | 08:01 |
| +perlDreamer | except! | 08:01 |
| +perlDreamer | on RHEL/CentOS, if you do setenvironment.sh, you won't be able to use yum | 08:01 |
| +perlDreamer | so be careful about putting setenvironment.sh into root's .bashrc | 08:01 |
| +perlDreamer | or .profile | 08:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I created an alias called wreme | 08:01 |
| +perlDreamer | so that normally I'm in the system | 08:01 |
| +perlDreamer | and after I wreme, I'm in the WRE | 08:02 |
| elnino | so removing the systme's perl and using wre's perl exclusive probably isn't a good idea on fedora. I was thinking of removing it, and then creating softlinks to perl ,perl5.10.0 ,perlbug, and perldoc to /data/wre/prereqs/bin's perl stuff | 08:03 |
| @preaction | probably a bad idea, yeah | 08:04 |
| elnino | yeah, I'll leave it. | 08:04 |
| +perlDreamer | binary compatibility | 08:04 |
| @preaction | the WRE's perl is compiled with different libs | 08:04 |
| @preaction | in fact, even sourcing in the WRE is a pain sometimes, there have been forum posts about it | 08:04 |
| @preaction | should make a "wreon" and "wreoff" script, that'd be nice | 08:05 |
| elnino | or.. couldn't we just have a wre user? | 08:05 |
| elnino | rather than running as root? | 08:06 |
| @preaction | the WRE already runs as the user "webgui", but you don't want that user to have a login shell | 08:06 |
| @preaction | you could do as perldreamer has done, and "wreoff" would be as simple as "reset" | 08:06 |
| +perlDreamer | reset? | 08:06 |
| @preaction | reset clears your environment and loads it from profile | 08:07 |
| +perlDreamer | nice | 08:07 |
| @preaction | so like if you even kill -9 screen, you can type "reset" and fix the lack of scrolling | 08:07 |
| * elnino go looks | 08:07 | |
| elnino | cool! | 08:07 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, do you see any problems with changing Workflow Save to return you to the list of Workflows, instead of back to the Edit Workflow screen? | 08:08 |
| +perlDreamer | it was pointed out that it's not consistent with other screens | 08:08 |
| @preaction | kinda, you have to save the workflow before you can add activities to it | 08:09 |
| @preaction | what it needs is a nice javascript update | 08:09 |
| @preaction | if you don't save the workflow before you add activities, you lose the changes to the name/description stuff | 08:09 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll move that over into the RFE section, then. | 08:09 |
| +perlDreamer | you said _that word_ | 08:10 |
| elnino | well, you could have the workflow ask you the question: where do you want to go next? and either go back to the list, or add an activies. Kinda like dataform. | 08:10 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0103cba / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/Statistics.pm): Disable the Send Stats workflow, to avoid confusion. Fixes bug #11245 - http://bit.ly/3WSeke | 08:18 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rd369899 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/Statistics.pm): Disable the Send Stats workflow, to avoid confusion. Fixes bug #11245 - http://bit.ly/xNN4v | 08:18 |
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| SquOnk | Morning (VET) | 14:05 |
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| bartjol | morning SquOnk | 14:16 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: Hoe gaat? | 14:22 |
| * SquOnk 's dutch is rusty, to say the least ;-) | 14:22 | |
| bartjol | it's ok, just css postioning today | 14:22 |
| bartjol | Hoe gaat het?is the better way | 14:23 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: Thanks | 14:23 |
| bartjol | without "het" you sound like a foreigner | 14:23 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: I was able to understand spoken dutch quite well, but I can't make the gutural noises needed to speak it. | 14:23 |
| bartjol | like what's up without what: Is up? | 14:24 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: And I never spent that much time there to be forced to learn it. | 14:24 |
| bartjol | well, think off something stuck in th top of your throat, which you want to get out | 14:25 |
| bartjol | if that works, try it more in the middleof your mouth | 14:25 |
| SquOnk | That's what everyone said ;-) | 14:26 |
| bartjol | well, unless you're coming back, it's quite useless, except for the one or two odd dutch tourists, or during the wuc | 14:28 |
| SquOnk | Yeah | 14:31 |
| SquOnk | I'm fond of languages, so I tried to learn a bit. | 14:31 |
| SquOnk | And our business associate over there had lots of fun teaching us in exchange of spanish curse words. | 14:31 |
| SquOnk | Heh | 14:31 |
| bartjol | we did that with Jesse when he came over from Australia | 14:32 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: We did some extensive linguistic work with our friends Jurgen and Harm over there. I wrote "words" and asked them to pronounce the words as if they were "dutch". The words were chosen so that when spoken as "dutch" they sounded exactly like spanish. | 14:33 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: So they spoke "perfect spanish" withouth knowing what the hell they were saying. | 14:33 |
| bartjol | :) | 14:34 |
| bartjol | well, have to get back to work | 14:35 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: One more question, if you have the time. | 14:39 |
| SquOnk | More of a suggestion, I think. | 14:39 |
| SquOnk | When you logout from WebGUI, it leaves you in the last page you visited. Is there a way to fix a "go here on logout" page? | 14:40 |
| SquOnk | s/fix/set/ | 14:40 |
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| bartjol | mm | 14:42 |
| bartjol | not sure whether there's a default function | 14:42 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: I couldn't find anything, so I guess there's some hacking involved. | 14:43 |
| bartjol | but the logout link is just a link | 14:43 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: The rationale from my customer is that their Intranet _must_ be entered through the front page, so they want anyone logging out to be redirected to the main page. | 14:43 |
| bartjol | so you can do a href="mypage?op=auth;method=logout | 14:44 |
| bartjol | but i think that must be on the site, not another webgui install | 14:44 |
| bartjol | and correct syntax | 14:45 |
| bartjol | it will first execute the function, then get the content | 14:45 |
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| bartjol | that's why you must be on the install, otherwise you'll just get redirected to another site, instead of executing the operation | 14:46 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: Yes, it's going to be in the same WebGUI install. | 14:46 |
| bartjol | well, no problem there then | 14:47 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: I will try that and see where it gets me. | 14:47 |
| bartjol | i believe it should work | 14:47 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: Thanks! | 14:47 |
| bartjol | and if it's inetrnationalized, use the international macro for the Logout label | 14:47 |
| bartjol | no problem | 14:47 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: I'll let you know if it worked out | 14:47 |
| bartjol | that'll be nice | 14:48 |
| bartjol | SquOnk: I made a little mistake | 15:22 |
| bartjol | you need to edit your template of the login toggle | 15:22 |
| bartjol | and make the same adjustment I told you before | 15:23 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: I'm doing that, don't worry. | 15:23 |
| bartjol | ok | 15:23 |
| bartjol | since it is a toggle | 15:23 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: It works as expected. I just hardcoded "^/;?op=auth;method=logout" as the logout URL | 15:28 |
| bartjol | very nice | 15:28 |
| SDuensin | Morning. | 15:55 |
| bartjol | mogguh | 15:57 |
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| PCCC | morning | 16:54 |
| * SDuensin wonders when the fun starts. | 16:55 | |
| PCCC | i have a weird case, maybe somebody has the answer, i restoring a sql webgui backup to my server and all services start fine , no error on logs, however i get blank pages, nothing at all, no browser errors | 16:56 |
| PCCC | here is the freaky part when i bring an older sql dump in the same server, it works | 16:56 |
| PCCC | it's just that day, | 16:56 |
| PCCC | i check the database for errors , all is clean | 16:57 |
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| bartjol | PCCC: and if you read in the db, it actually conatins stuff? | 17:07 |
| PCCC | yes | 17:07 |
| PCCC | it does | 17:07 |
| bartjol | user passwd combi from conf works for that db | 17:07 |
| PCCC | yes | 17:07 |
| bartjol | so mysql -u"myuser" -p"mypasswd" mydb works | 17:08 |
| PCCC | yes sir | 17:08 |
| bartjol | just checking, starting at the base | 17:08 |
| bartjol | thinking... | 17:10 |
| bartjol | and bypassing the db by getting a direct object from the uploads dir? | 17:12 |
| PCCC | ok i discovered something ,i copy the admin url from another server and pasted in the server that was giving me blanks i am able to get to the admin panel, and all my data is there however nothing shows, an all my layout have a make asset exportable option on | 17:13 |
| PCCC | if i take it off , that link works | 17:13 |
| bartjol | odd | 17:14 |
| PCCC | weird all my layout, and content is the same "make asset exportable " on | 17:15 |
| PCCC | can you do that ? recursive like that | 17:16 |
| bartjol | I think that is the default setting | 17:16 |
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| bartjol | | isExportable | int(11) | NO | | 1 | | | 17:17 |
| bartjol | so it is default | 17:18 |
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| PCCC | silly question can webgui go back and restore setting from previous days | 17:20 |
| @Haarg | settings aren't versioned, so no. | 17:21 |
| bartjol | morning misters | 17:21 |
| bartjol | unless you have a db dump in your backup | 17:23 |
| bartjol | backups are good practise | 17:23 |
| PCCC | this is from a backup | 17:23 |
| bartjol | and you have new settings? | 17:24 |
| PCCC | yes, which is weird | 17:25 |
| bartjol | it is | 17:25 |
| bartjol | did you drop that db correctly first? | 17:25 |
| PCCC | it was done by the backup utility from webgui | 17:25 |
| bartjol | is there a backup restore utility? | 17:26 |
| PCCC | no, just a backup up, but im restoring from there | 17:26 |
| PCCC | but why would my pages not show | 17:26 |
| PCCC | the permissions are correct | 17:26 |
| bartjol | ok, so that gives you a sql file | 17:26 |
| bartjol | tell me every step you take during restoring | 17:28 |
| PCCC | i took the dump files that webgui backup.pl creates and move them to the server tar them and overwrite then mysql -u user - p password database < dump.sql | 17:29 |
| bartjol | ah, first throw the old one away | 17:29 |
| bartjol | drop comand | 17:29 |
| bartjol | then create a new db with the same name | 17:29 |
| bartjol | then import it again with the command you named | 17:30 |
| PCCC | ok let me try that | 17:30 |
| bartjol | as mysql user root | 17:30 |
| PCCC | done, same result | 17:33 |
| bartjol | everything as root user? | 17:33 |
| bartjol | darn | 17:33 |
| PCCC | yes root user | 17:34 |
| bartjol | restarted services? | 17:35 |
| PCCC | yep all starting fine | 17:36 |
| PCCC | no errors on webgui.log | 17:36 |
| bartjol | in /data/WebGUI/etc/log.conf you can set your log level | 17:36 |
| bartjol | set it to debug | 17:36 |
| bartjol | (with capitals) | 17:37 |
| bartjol | retsart modperl | 17:37 |
| PCCC | ok | 17:37 |
| bartjol | i dunno what retsart is either, but just do it | 17:37 |
| PCCC | lol | 17:38 |
| bartjol | visit the site and look at you logs agian | 17:38 |
| PCCC | ok working on it | 17:38 |
| PCCC | just as a fyi if i go to the asset manager and click save on any page, that page shows up , | 17:39 |
| bartjol | ok, so after changing it is ok? | 17:43 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rcdc8079 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a JS typo in the Edit Survey screen. Fixes bug #11247. - http://bit.ly/4j4Gdp | 17:46 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r03d9263 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a JS typo in the Edit Survey screen. Fixes bug #11247. - http://bit.ly/4erur1 | 17:46 |
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| bartjol | PCCC: already some log results? | 17:49 |
| PCCC | actually my modproxy is failing now | 18:00 |
| bartjol | ah, well, there are your errors, great! | 18:01 |
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| PCCC | no more modproxy error however still issue with blank page webgui log show spectre.conf workflow activity | 18:05 |
| bartjol | what are your ip? that youe set for spectre? | 18:06 |
| PCCC | 127.0.0.1 i tested fine | 18:07 |
| PCCC | no communication issues there | 18:08 |
| bartjol | ah, but spectre connects via post 80 | 18:09 |
| +perlDreamer | that's port 80 | 18:10 |
| bartjol | thanks for correcting my spelling. you just have to grap your change eh | 18:11 |
| PCCC | is it port 32133 | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | 32133 is spectre's port | 18:13 |
| PCCC | spectre.pl --test works no errors | 18:17 |
| PCCC | im gonna have to call my tech support to let them see it | 18:18 |
| @preaction | blank page? are there errors in the modperl or modproxy error logs? | 18:18 |
| PCCC | nope | 18:19 |
| @preaction | what does the blank page have on it? do a view source | 18:19 |
| PCCC | blank | 18:20 |
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| bartjol | a state of true emptiness, you?l be the envy of zen masters | 18:20 |
| PCCC | lol | 18:21 |
| bartjol | well, one dinner appointment coming up, good luck | 18:23 |
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| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r6eeb258 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Quote the id generated by the Image asset. Also, do not overwrite user uploaded parameters. Fixes bug #11246 - http://bit.ly/PdUiG | 18:52 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r15ce7b5 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Quote the id generated by the Image asset. Also, do not overwrite user uploaded parameters. Fixes bug #11246 - http://bit.ly/2xl1WH | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I'm going to work on the deprecated modules today. Locales replaces Locales::Country in 7.8 only | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | but in 7.7, Net::Subnets was deprecated | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I know I can find a replacement, but any advice on how to make it easy for users? | 19:06 |
| @Haarg | well, it's certainly possible to make it work with either module | 19:07 |
| @Haarg | if it isn't too much effort that's probably the best way to go | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, but in 7.8 I'll just go with the replacement module since it's beta | 19:08 |
| @Haarg | sounds good | 19:08 |
| @Haarg | if you want any help with that let me know | 19:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | will do, and thanks :) | 19:15 |
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| daviddelikat1 | Haarg: how do I create a branch in my local git repo for the WG 7.7 branch | 19:35 |
| @Haarg | git checkout -t origin/webgui-7.7 | 19:35 |
| @Haarg | if you have a recent version of git at least | 19:35 |
| daviddelikat1 | when was the last update? | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | this morning | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, do you mean last update to git? | 19:36 |
| daviddelikat1 | I think so | 19:36 |
| @Haarg | git --version | 19:36 |
| @Haarg | what version do you have? | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | 1.6.x seems to do well | 19:37 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 19:37 |
| daviddelikat1 | I've got 1.5.6.1 | 19:37 |
| daviddelikat1 | I guess I need an upgrade | 19:37 |
| +perlDreamer | you're just missing some handy features | 19:37 |
| +perlDreamer | like -t for checkout | 19:37 |
| daviddelikat1 | whew ... I'm way be hind on upgrades... | 19:38 |
| daviddelikat1 | good thing I've got other stuff to do | 19:38 |
| carogray | my mouse is "sticking" in the rich text editor | 19:38 |
| carogray | I am in FF 3.5.5 | 19:39 |
| daviddelikat1 | I recommend WD-40 :) | 19:39 |
| carogray | I highlight something to use the WebGUI page tree to link and after I save the link in the dialogue box, I can't get the highlight off | 19:39 |
| carogray | ok where do I get some WD-40 for Firefox? I don't think our local Hardware story carries it | 19:40 |
| carogray | the last time I had problem similar to this JT upgraded us and we were better and on our way in about 10 mins | 19:41 |
| carogray | could this be the same/similar problem again? | 19:41 |
| daviddelikat1 | sorry your going to have to wait for somebody smarter than me to help you | 19:42 |
| carogray | will enter a login request. thanks daviddelikat | 19:43 |
| daviddelikat1 | PD was here a moment ago, perhaps his bit-stream is backed up | 19:44 |
| carogray | ja - I saw. | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | the rich text editor is evil | 19:44 |
| carogray | I know but it's all I got | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | the only reason we still use tinyMCE is that we don't have time to replace it with YUI Editor | 19:44 |
| carogray | would Karma added to that make a diff? | 19:45 |
| +perlDreamer | carogray, going through the PB support board is the right path on that one | 19:45 |
| +perlDreamer | That's very generous, but in this case Karma wouldn't help | 19:45 |
| carogray | right - ok in the process of doing so. I guess I was just lucky JT was here the alst time I had that problem | 19:45 |
| +perlDreamer | it needs significant time, which means volunteer time or $$$ | 19:46 |
| carogray | son needs computer to look up number "real quick before he goes" | 19:46 |
| daviddelikat1 | so when I do a pull does it get everything on the server or just stuff for the current branch? | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | it pulls everything for all branches | 20:11 |
| @preaction | it fetches for all branches, but it only merges for the current branch | 20:27 |
| @preaction | pull = fetch + merge | 20:27 |
| @preaction | (or fetch + rebase, if you have it configured that way) | 20:27 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, lots of errors when i run tests due to WebGUI::i18n::Spanish not existing | 21:27 |
| @Haarg | seems likely a leaky test | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | which test? | 21:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: and which branch | 21:29 |
| @Haarg | master | 21:29 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf3e699e / (5 files in 5 dirs): | 21:30 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Retrofit UPS to use Locales instead of Locales::Country. Fixes bug #11221 | 21:30 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Updated tests, module, gotcha.txt, and testEnvironment.pl - http://bit.ly/2HFjEm | 21:30 |
| @Haarg | probably about 10 different tests failing | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | t/Content/Setup.t | 21:30 |
| @Haarg | t/DateTime.t is the first one failing due to missing WebGUI::i18n::Spanish in the full test run i did | 21:30 |
| @Haarg | you hear anything about Thingy? | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | we're supposed to revert it | 21:31 |
| @Haarg | ok | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | the Thingy work itself was incomplete, and he couldn't think of a way around the definition issue | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I pointed him to DataForm/Entry as an example | 21:32 |
| @Haarg | the main problem is how to fit it in with crud i think | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I think he's going to have to bury the definition inside some instance variable | 21:33 |
| @Haarg | given that each object instance needs to have a different definition | 21:33 |
| +perlDreamer | and then provide a method to get instance data from the cached db data | 21:33 |
| +perlDreamer | after I run t/Content/Setup, the user data is correct in the db | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I wonder if there's a caching problem | 21:35 |
| @Haarg | could it be because i don't have the spanish module? | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | but you shouldn't need it | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | the test cleans up after itself | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | let me run prove and see what happens | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | doesn't look like a caching problem, either | 21:37 |
| +perlDreamer | ack says that t/Content/Setup is the only test that has the word Spanish in it | 21:38 |
| +perlDreamer | my language directory contains only English | 21:38 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, I have a whole raft of failures, too | 21:50 |
| @Haarg | it doesn't seem to be caused by data in userProfileData | 21:50 |
| @Haarg | it's the default value on the language profile field | 21:53 |
| +perlDreamer | got it | 21:55 |
| +perlDreamer | the cleanup used the wrong field | 21:55 |
| @Haarg | time zone? | 21:55 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 21:56 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r7052667 / t/DateTime.t : Clean up a test comment. - http://bit.ly/ICrSp | 21:57 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r86a4cb5 / t/Content/Setup.t : Fix a test cleanup issue. - http://bit.ly/3hpa5x | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | fixed | 21:57 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r526360f / t/DateTime.t : Clean up a test comment. - http://bit.ly/35JOyE | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | although, given the set of tests, I'm expecting lots of other failures | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | at least Thingy, POD and Whitespace | 21:58 |
| @Haarg | yes | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Auth/LDAP failed, interestingly | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm hoping that's due to simultaneous access | 21:59 |
| @Haarg | critic_labels doesn't like something in emssubmissionform | 21:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll start dismantling the Thingy changes when I come back from the gym | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat1, can you check the i18n in EMSSubmissionForm? | 22:06 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc99315a / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.8.4-7.8.5.pl : | 22:10 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Revert "Bugfix in thingy upgrade" | 22:10 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: This reverts commit f3a4bd1b68a2ce64cc6047391b3f82de3a764507. - http://bit.ly/1UvyHQ | 22:10 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra37f69c / (4 files in 4 dirs): | 22:10 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Revert "Separating Thing object from Thingy" | 22:10 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: This reverts commit 3d8878965994dcd231217aebae37482f82c0be03. - http://bit.ly/4l34gK | 22:10 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5fd30d8 / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 22:10 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Revert "Separating ThingRecord object from Thingy" | 22:10 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: This reverts commit df84c60d6afed71a742178bdbf8b4aec034a30f4. - http://bit.ly/3Gewhq | 22:10 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r7913059 / t/Asset/File/Image.t : fix unmocked warning - http://bit.ly/3zLK8C | 22:12 |
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| * Haarg slaps perlDreamer | 22:45 | |
| @Haarg | note, not diag for non-error output from tests :) | 22:46 |
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| CIA-15 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r8e65345 / t/Content/Setup.t : more diag -> note - http://bit.ly/1p2Gg1 | 22:52 |
| +perlDreamer | did I leave in a diag again? | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | grrr | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, it's probably best if you just yank those | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | and then slap me | 23:24 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5df15c6 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy/ThingRecord.pm : | 23:26 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Revert "Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui" | 23:26 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: This reverts commit 7188b11b774c88f2241211378132252251215fad, reversing | 23:26 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: changes made to 9dd7056ecf4d1d41227c58d4f89303d00d69c04a. - http://bit.ly/KXG4I | 23:26 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, finished reverting ThingyRecord | 23:26 |
| +perlDreamer | which is a shame | 23:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, after the revert, the tests are running clean again | 23:38 |
| @Haarg | cool | 23:38 |
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| fokat | Hi guys. Quick question. | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | what is it fokat? | 23:46 |
| fokat | What is the best way to pack the templates for a new Wobject? | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | use a package | 23:46 |
| fokat | I would like to extract them from WebGUI, possibly edit outside and then bring them back in. | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | hm... | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | there is a development tool called WGDev | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | it allows you to export templates (and other assets) into an easy to use text format and then import them back in | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | you can find information about this tool in the developer forum on webgui.org | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | also, on github. http://www.github.com/haarg/wgdev | 23:48 |
| fokat | Basically I want to change the template's namespace and the assetId :-) | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | assetId? | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | why would you want to change that? | 23:48 |
| * perlDreamer has to run off and pick up my kids from school | 23:49 | |
| fokat | To have a friendlier id | 23:49 |
| fokat | perlDreamer: Thanks. Run to your kids. | 23:49 |
| xdanger | fokat: the exported package is only a tar archive (or is it tar.gz) | 23:49 |
| fokat | tar.gz with JSON files inside (and probably other things) | 23:49 |
| xdanger | inside that it's a JSON | 23:49 |
| xdanger | You could edit that and then import it | 23:50 |
| xdanger | (and remove the original) | 23:50 |
| fokat | That was my plan :-) | 23:50 |
| fokat | Thanks a lot | 23:50 |
| xdanger | but the easyest (and the most dangerous) way would be direct sql updates | 23:50 |
| fokat | Which is what I did for an earlier Wobject :-) | 23:50 |
| fokat | And don't forget tedious | 23:51 |
| xdanger | we'll.. You have to change it in many tables =) | 23:51 |
| fokat | exactly | 23:51 |
| fokat | And if I screw up in the right place, have to start over ;-) | 23:51 |
| xdanger | If your adventerous you could try wgfs =) | 23:51 |
| fokat | Yes, SquOnk just mentioned it | 23:52 |
| fokat | (I'm next cubicle to him) | 23:52 |
| --- Day changed Wed Nov 18 2009 | ||
| +perlDreamer | it's not really worth it for a vanity assetId | 00:49 |
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| xdanger | I'm liking the plebgui-hack for my dev work on localmachine =) | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | does it work well? | 00:57 |
| xdanger | For me yes | 00:57 |
| xdanger | I'm using the Standalone::Prefork engine and watching fow directories for refreshed files | 00:58 |
| xdanger | I could just watch /data/WebGUI | 00:58 |
| xdanger | s/fow/few/ | 00:58 |
| xdanger | Haven't run any bencmarks or like that, but it seems pretty fast | 00:59 |
| xdanger | Is there any difference between $self->SUPER::addChild($properties, @other); and $self->next::method($properties, @other); ? It has something to do with Class::C3? | 01:04 |
| @Haarg | it is related to Class::C3, yes | 01:04 |
| xdanger | which one should I use? | 01:05 |
| @Haarg | for anything using Class::C3, next::method | 01:06 |
| xdanger | What is Class::C3 and what benefits does it bring? | 01:06 |
| @preaction | C3 is a different method to resolve method relationships | 01:08 |
| @Haarg | it is to make multiple inheritance make more sense | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | the interfaces are totally different between the CIDR IP checking modules | 01:28 |
| @Haarg | what is the new one? | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I like Net::CIDR from Andy Armstrong | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | Net::CIDR::Set, rather | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | right now, I'm planning on doing a compile time check via eval, then globbing to either the old, original method, or to a new one. | 01:32 |
| @Haarg | yeah, that sounds like the way to go | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I chose that module mainly based on the author | 01:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | Andy writes good things | 01:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | Net::CDR::Set sucks | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | moving on to Net::CDR::Lite | 02:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | man, you'd think _somebody_ would write an IPV4/IPV6 addresss search tool with validation | 04:28 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfae8b16 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Replace the deprecated module Net::Subnets with Net::CIDR::Lite. - http://bit.ly/2DNyJh | 04:32 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb59e1e2 / (4 files in 3 dirs): | 04:44 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Changed WebGUI to use either Net::Subnets, or Net::CIDR::Lite. | 04:44 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Updated Utility.pm, removed per IP configuration from | 04:44 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: PerformanceProfiler. - http://bit.ly/2r34YR | 04:44 |
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| elnino | any recommendations for running wg with 512k (other than upgrading)? | 05:06 |
| +perlDreamer | it can be done | 05:10 |
| +perlDreamer | it will not perform well | 05:10 |
| +perlDreamer | you can compensate a little with the number of apache children, spectre runners, etc. | 05:11 |
| +perlDreamer | or by aggressive use of caching | 05:11 |
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| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfa7e106 / t/Shop/ShipDriver/USPS.t : Add a test to make sure line item address changes are processed correctly in the USPS domestic driver. - http://bit.ly/1yRWSO | 05:21 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rc660894 / t/Shop/ShipDriver/USPS.t : Add a test to make sure line item address changes are processed correctly in the USPS domestic driver. - http://bit.ly/2jLAn6 | 05:25 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3fb310c / lib/WebGUI/Asset/EMSSubmissionForm.pm : Remove boilerplate and commented out code. - http://bit.ly/43NVKT | 05:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, any pending commits? | 06:54 |
| elnino | thanks for the tips perlDreamer. | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | no sweat, elnino | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | more memory is HIGHLY recommended though | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I wouldn't run a server with less than 2 Gb | 06:55 |
| elnino | yep. it's an old machine, and it's definately not a high traffic. It's a laptop sitting at home. =) | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | what??!! | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | really? | 06:56 |
| elnino | yep. | 06:56 |
| elnino | he did manage to find some memory that I think he'll buy. | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | and this is a server? interesting | 06:57 |
| elnino | no, it's his development machine that is also hosting his site. | 06:58 |
| elnino | running svn and bugzila. | 06:58 |
| elnino | if when using the syndicated content asset, why would I want to specify more thanone feed, if the template only displays the channel info for the first one? | 07:44 |
| +perlDreamer | if the channel info was hidden, it would be transparent aggregation | 07:47 |
| +perlDreamer | according to this translated German blog, Tie::Hash::Indexed is faster than Tie::IxHash | 07:48 |
| +perlDreamer | http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fperl-howto.de%2F2009%2F11%2Fordered-hashes-mit-tieixhash-oder-tiehashindexed.html&sl=de&tl=en | 07:48 |
| elnino | to proxy to another instance of apache, do I *HAVE* to have a separate subdomain? or can it be just a different port? | 08:08 |
| * perlDreamer doesn't know | 08:12 | |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r77389ea / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.8.5 release. - http://bit.ly/1CVIW7 | 08:17 |
| +perlDreamer | here we go! | 08:17 |
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| elnino | stable? | 08:18 |
| +perlDreamer | beta tonight | 08:20 |
| elnino | ok. have fun! I had enough fun for tonight. bye! | 08:21 |
| +perlDreamer | g'night :) | 08:22 |
| _lsr | Can someone tell me where WebGUI's Perl includes file (@INC) is, I want to add another path. | 08:44 |
| +perlDreamer | _lsr, you can use WebGUI/sbin/preload.custom | 08:53 |
| +perlDreamer | there's an example file in there | 08:53 |
| _lsr | thanks perlDreamer | 08:59 |
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| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rcc84994 / (lib/WebGUI/Pluggable.pm t/Pluggable.t): Fix a problem with bad tests and bad code in globbed Pluggable excludes. - http://bit.ly/36DrQY | 09:31 |
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| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r816bc2c / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.8.6 development. - http://bit.ly/2CvzEU | 10:23 |
| +perlDreamer | yay | 10:29 |
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| _lsr | Hi everyone, I'm trying to follow the WebGUI Wobject development tutorial, I can't get my templates to show up in the Articles folder, they show up in the Import folder instead. Any ideas? | 11:01 |
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| CIA-15 | WebGUI: translation * r12406 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (9 files): Updating Dutch on translation server | 11:39 |
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| CIA-15 | WebGUI: translation * r12407 /translations/German/German/ (9 files): Updating German on translation server | 14:38 |
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| daviddelikat1 | a comment on last nights perlmongers meeting: http://shirt.mywoot.net/ | 15:21 |
| CIA-15 | WebGUI: translation * r12408 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (4 files): Updating Dutch on translation server | 15:38 |
| +BartJol | daviddelikat1: eeh, thos e perlmongers are starnge fellows, eh? | 15:40 |
| daviddelikat1 | apparently some had an appointment with some zombies last night | 15:41 |
| +BartJol | well, on every saucer fits a cup | 15:42 |
| daviddelikat1 | yes and sometimes they are both cracked | 15:43 |
| daviddelikat1 | but what can I say I hang out with them... | 15:43 |
| +BartJol | not as an observator? | 15:44 |
| daviddelikat1 | no I think I chipped a few saucers last night | 15:44 |
| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:24 |
| daviddelikat1 | hey SD 'sup? | 16:25 |
| SDuensin | Not sure yet. (And I've been here two months!) :-P | 16:25 |
| daviddelikat1 | i'm going on a year and | 16:26 |
| daviddelikat1 | I still dont know | 16:26 |
| SynQ | oeh | 16:28 |
| SynQ | apache exploit | 16:28 |
| SynQ | time to update the WRE | 16:28 |
| ckotil | got a link to it? | 16:30 |
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| +BartJol | ooh, gonna get it | 16:37 |
| +BartJol | ckotil: it's one of the links on http://www.debian.org/security/ | 16:38 |
| SDuensin | Hey, someone want to pick this up for me? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320447681957 | 16:38 |
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| +BartJol | SDuensin not enough cash | 16:39 |
| SDuensin | I think he'd take a check. :-P | 16:39 |
| +BartJol | eeeh, should it be covered? | 16:40 |
| SDuensin | Covered? | 16:40 |
| +BartJol | like that you can actually cash the check | 16:41 |
| daviddelikat1 | I wonder if anyone would pay that much for an 'original' Mac plus? | 16:41 |
| SDuensin | Heck, daviddelikat1, I can beat that. I have a Mac (minus?). Model M0001. | 16:43 |
| daviddelikat1 | I bet yours doesn't have a really cool carry case | 16:43 |
| +BartJol | well, ask 40000 for it | 16:44 |
| daviddelikat1 | its like the old 'portable' computers | 16:44 |
| +BartJol | (euros) | 16:44 |
| SDuensin | I bet it does. :-P | 16:44 |
| SDuensin | However, it lacks something rather important... boot disks. And making working 400k disks these days is a bit of a challenge. | 16:44 |
| daviddelikat1 | I haven't got any either... | 16:45 |
| daviddelikat1 | pretty funny i think | 16:45 |
| SDuensin | All I can do is get a really nice "sad mac" icon. | 16:45 |
| daviddelikat1 | state of the art is not boat anchor extra-ordinaire | 16:45 |
| daviddelikat1 | s/not/now/ | 16:46 |
| +BartJol | SDuensin: you call it dedicated functionality | 16:46 |
| SDuensin | It'd have to be a small boat. | 16:46 |
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| CIA-15 | WebGUI: translation * r12409 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ShipDriver_USPSInternational.pm: Updating Dutch on translation server | 17:09 |
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| ckotil | re: that apache vulnerability. 'As a workaround, you may rearrange your configuration in a way that SSLVerifyClient and SSLCipherSuite are only used on the server or virtual host level.' | 17:57 |
| +BartJol | ah | 18:00 |
| +BartJol | well, I think my colleagues read the docs | 18:03 |
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| kayiwa | anyone successfully build wre-0.9.3 on OpenBSD 4.6-current? It fails for me when building graphviz | 18:59 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3951072 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix an i18n typo. - http://bit.ly/10hrFm | 18:59 |
| +BartJol | kayiwa: not to bug you, but you did install modules required for that os? | 19:01 |
| +BartJol | some people don't read the manual | 19:01 |
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| kayiwa | the modules here being | 19:01 |
| kayiwa | according to the wiki | 19:02 |
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| kayiwa | I should have gmake + bash + autoconf | 19:02 |
| kayiwa | check check and check | 19:02 |
| +BartJol | ok, sounds good | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | it's possible that an older graphviz and newer OpenBSD may not mix | 19:03 |
| kayiwa | if there's another manual hit me with the cluestick and I will be on my way | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | and that a new solution needs to be found | 19:03 |
| +BartJol | ah | 19:04 |
| +BartJol | well, that is the most important | 19:04 |
| +BartJol | just checking, but as that module graphviz doesn't work, it might just be that it doesn't work at the moment, according to those comments | 19:06 |
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| daviddelikat1 | perlDreamer: I have a question | 19:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | what's up, daviddelikat86? | 19:39 |
| daviddelikat86 | do you remember back when we were talking about the EMS submission system | 19:39 |
| daviddelikat86 | trying to get it re-inserted into git | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:39 |
| daviddelikat86 | you mentioned something II should do to the Test::Activity class | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought that was all done? | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | oh! | 19:40 |
| * perlDreamer thinks.... | 19:40 | |
| daviddelikat86 | something about the object class | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:40 |
| daviddelikat86 | approximate quote: 'objectType should be passd into | 19:40 |
| daviddelikat86 | the Test::Activity module' | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | that's it | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | right now you can only create Workflows of type None | 19:41 |
| daviddelikat86 | what object type were you refering to? | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | any | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | like the ones defined in the config files | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | Session | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | User | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | Thingy | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | VersionTag | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | also, rename rerun to reset, since it doesn't rerun | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | and then we point it out to Haarg and ask him to check it out, too | 19:42 |
| daviddelikat86 | is it a regular parameter for the workflow? | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:42 |
| * daviddelikat86 is looking... | 19:43 | |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, how are you going to handle language packs in WebGUI 7.8, since we just moved 3 languages into the core. | 19:45 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: No biggie. One source, multiple binaries, so users can choose which languages to install. | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | very good | 19:46 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: By "source" and "binaries" in the Debian sense | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | any feedback to Bart's post about minimum level for language inclusion? (95%) | 19:47 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Spanish could go in the core too. I need to update a few messages. | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | it's in | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Dutch, German and Spanish | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | the 3 biggies | 19:47 |
| SquOnk | I'm leaving for class, so I'll be here in six hours or so | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | We need to get other people on the translation bandwagon | 19:47 |
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| daviddelikat86 | perlDreamer: what is the purpose of the objectType? I'm wondering if I should a) require a value or b) check in the params for a value; also perhaps I should make the default be 'Test' so that it sticks out in the event that cleanup fails for some reason. | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | some Activities, like Commit activities, work on an object (VersionTag) | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | this is attached to the Workflow for all activities in it to use | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Most activities do not use objects | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | but several do | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | you can see from the list of Workflows in the main config file | 19:53 |
| daviddelikat86 | so activities that use this feature need to have this value set, otherwise 'None' is acceptable? | 19:55 |
| daviddelikat86 | that would suggest that an optional param is the way too go | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Optional is definitely the right thing | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | if it's missing, None is the way to go | 19:56 |
| daviddelikat86 | ok, I'm putting this and the rerun->reset change into the EMS branch | 19:57 |
| daviddelikat86 | is there a freeze on 7.8? | 19:57 |
| daviddelikat86 | I was under the impression that 7.8.5 was a deadline for new stuff | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.8.5 is frozen for new stuff | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | however, i18n and testing changes are usually excluded from that requirement | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | since they improve the core, or do no affect it, respectively | 20:00 |
| daviddelikat86 | ok I'll merge these in | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | be sure that you do a pull, since I made a bunch of changes to EMSSubmissionForm last night | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be nice to have some code cleanup in ther | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | indenting, removing boilerplate code, removing commented out code, etc | 20:01 |
| daviddelikat86 | yes, cleanup would be good, I'm not really finished with the project, I'm just not sure what to do with it next. | 20:03 |
| daviddelikat86 | its in working condition but needs improvement | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | when I did the Story Manager, I just started writing more and more tests and tried using the thing myself. | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | also, Kristi (bopbop) was very helpful with usability issues and features | 20:04 |
| daviddelikat86 | good point I should ask if she's looked at it | 20:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Like we've found out with the Shop, there's nothing like using the code ourselves to shake out bugs and usability issues. | 20:05 |
| daviddelikat86 | mostly I'm holding out for the freeze and trying to get helpdesk ready to move ahead | 20:06 |
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| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r53f3683 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt sbin/preload.perl): Do not include . in @INC. - http://bit.ly/1gziki | 20:23 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r4ed660b / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt sbin/preload.perl): Do not include . in @INC. - http://bit.ly/84CcJ | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg++ | 20:29 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Luke Robinson master * r6464000 / (lib/WebGUI/Macro/ConvertUTCToTZ.pm t/Macro/ConvertUTCToTZ.t): | 20:44 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: ConvertUTCToTZ.pm macro and test | 20:44 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Conflicts: | 20:44 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: lib/WebGUI/Macro/ConvertUTCToTZ.pm - http://bit.ly/4wujaa | 20:44 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Luke Robinson webgui-7.7 * r4300a81 / (lib/WebGUI/Macro/ConvertUTCToTZ.pm t/Macro/ConvertUTCToTZ.t): | 20:44 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: ConvertUTCToTZ.pm macro and test | 20:44 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Conflicts: | 20:44 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: lib/WebGUI/Macro/ConvertUTCToTZ.pm - http://bit.ly/1lSCjh | 20:44 |
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| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r74a2df9 / docs/credits.txt : Adding Luke Robinson to list of contributors. - http://bit.ly/1MjXj3 | 21:23 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * red930ea / docs/credits.txt : Adding Luke Robinson to list of contributors. - http://bit.ly/lg2S | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | yay! new tests. | 21:24 |
| * perlDreamer goes running, and ponders 304 codes and cache timeouts | 21:43 | |
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| ckotil | the carousel asset is nifty | 22:37 |
| ckotil | im going to abandon using lightbox and use that for a gallery on one of the sites i manage | 22:37 |
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| ckotil | is there any documentation on the file pump? | 22:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Not much, ckotil | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | do you have specific questions? | 23:25 |
| ckotil | yeah, what does it do? it looks like you give it css files, and javascript , or anything else and you can include all of those into a webpage with a single line of code? | 23:29 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, with a single macro call | 23:30 |
| ckotil | sweet | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | and, they are setup so that they are cache for a very, very long time | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | which reduces page load times if similar bundles are used across your site | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | the CSS and JS files are minimized to reduce their download time | 23:30 |
| ckotil | ya, i tried help, the wiki, and even google for information about this new asset, and couldnt find anything | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | and, if you're in admin mode, the caching and minimization are dropped, so you can work on files quickly | 23:31 |
| ckotil | that's good. | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I should write up a brief page for it | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | perhaps tonight | 23:31 |
| * perlDreamer has to pick up kids from school. If you have more questions, leave me a note in channel and I'll backlog. | 23:32 | |
| ckotil | that'd be useful. | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a similar concept to template attachments | 23:32 |
| ckotil | ok. thanks for the info | 23:32 |
| ckotil | The passive analytics stuff looks interesting too | 23:32 |
| ckotil | i ahve used content profiling in the past, and im guessing that the analytics gathers and reports stats based on the content profile metadata | 23:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | nope | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | it does user programmable logfile analysis | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | do daviddelikat86! | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | go, too! | 00:14 |
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| daviddelikat86 | huh? | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | sorting bugs, removing duplicates | 00:18 |
| daviddelikat86 | I'm going to make a list of HD bugs that should be marked as resolved too | 00:18 |
| daviddelikat86 | and I'm going to test the ticket closing activity and fix it if needed so that they will start to go away | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | let me know if you want help | 00:20 |
| daviddelikat86 | you can mark them as resolved if you have time | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | the 10811 ticket is a duplicate of which ticket? | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, 11240 | 00:22 |
| daviddelikat86 | I guess theres only one that I'm sure can be resolved: 10809 otherwise I'll have to wait for the next rev of helpdesk to come out | 00:24 |
| daviddelikat86 | theres quite a few that are fixed for sure in the git repo | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | when is the next rev expected to be out? | 00:25 |
| daviddelikat86 | I hope to push some code out today | 00:25 |
| daviddelikat86 | then as soon as someone puts it in... | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | if it's cool with preaction, we could do that tonight | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | it'd be nice to be down to only 2-3 pages of bugs | 00:26 |
| daviddelikat86 | yup | 00:27 |
| @preaction | i can do it tonight, sure | 00:27 |
| daviddelikat86 | preaction: did you see the woot shirt today? | 00:28 |
| daviddelikat86 | http://shirt.mywoot.net/ | 00:28 |
| daviddelikat86 | I thought it was fitting considering the discussion last night | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, if your plate is full, I can do it, too | 00:29 |
| @preaction | that sounds good as well, then i can spend my time making sure colin has access to everything he needs | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, because I need more emails... | 00:30 |
| @preaction | well, i want to make a script/system to run some code on a whole bunch of different servers | 00:31 |
| @preaction | i am 100% tired of having to do it manually | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a system for that | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | it takes some considerable setup | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I talked to JT about it once... | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | cfengine | 00:32 |
| @preaction | i don't like considerable setup | 00:33 |
| @preaction | it should be 0 setup | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | on RHEL, it may be as easy as installing a package and setting up a config file | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | next topic, Joeri's 304 caching bug | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm thinking of adding a field to the asset table called lastCacheBuild | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | and a setting called Master Cache | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | everytime an asset is served up by Content/Asset, it checks lastCacheBuild in addition to lastModified. | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | if they are farther apart than Master Cache, it does not return the 304, and serves up the asset. | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | and then it updates the lastCacheBuild field | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | this prevents it from being updated on every page view | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | which is an extra write | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, preaction, daviddelikat, you see any issues with that? | 00:38 |
| @preaction | doesn't a GET request send "If-Modified-Since" header? | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | no idea | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | it's the navigation/macro issue | 00:41 |
| @preaction | i think that's the only way we decide whether to send a 304 | 00:41 |
| @preaction | yeah | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | so we need a way to bust that | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | which is the Master Cache/lastCacheBuild idea | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | every so often, period of hours or so, you send a fresh page anyway | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | just in case | 00:41 |
| @preaction | well, If-Modified-Since is the date/time the browser last got a 200 OK and a full response for that page | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I see, so you're thinking we don't need to keep track in the db when it as busted last? | 00:42 |
| @preaction | right | 00:43 |
| @preaction | just need to make sure if-modified-since never gets higher than the master cache setting | 00:43 |
| @preaction | i think. i need to read about what if-modified-since is really all about | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | what about the edge cases of jerks like me who say "never check the page" | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | and if a user never visits twice, you'd never have a good recheck | 00:44 |
| @preaction | okay, seems If-Modified-Since is not the last time the client got a 200 reply, it's the Last-Modified date of the page | 00:46 |
| @preaction | (of the page from a previous request) | 00:46 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r49ec9f6 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Captcha.pm): Use https method in SSL mode. Fixes bug #11249 - http://bit.ly/2yypyO | 00:52 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra732ecd / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Captcha.pm): Use https method in SSL mode. Fixes bug #11249 - http://bit.ly/1SRSOJ | 00:52 |
| @preaction | it seems the way to do this might be to do some modulus arithimatic on the lastUpdated field | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | lastUpdated won't reflect changes in content from macros though, will it? | 00:54 |
| @preaction | no, but what we want is for content to expire every X seconds from the lastUpdated date, right? | 00:54 |
| @preaction | X being the Max Cache Time | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:55 |
| @preaction | damnit, this is not hard math and i can't see it yet | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | but we can't guarantee that someone will hit on the time | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | the right time, when it's modulo 0, if that's what you're thinking | 00:56 |
| @preaction | yes, we want integer division | 00:56 |
| @preaction | we want the last ... okay i think i got this | 00:56 |
| @preaction | nope... one sec | 00:57 |
| @preaction | lastUpdated + ( ( time-lastUpdated ) - ( time-lastUpdated ) % maxCache ) | 00:59 |
| @preaction | so we take the last updated date, and add the number of seconds since the last iteration of the maxCache | 01:00 |
| @preaction | you might want to test that one ;) | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | lastUpdated = lastModified ? | 01:01 |
| @preaction | yeah, sorry | 01:02 |
| @preaction | so if "time-lastModified" == "time since modified", "time since modified" - "time since modified" % "max cache time" = time when last cache time hit | 01:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | unless time since modified is an integer multiple of max cache time | 01:03 |
| @preaction | then "time since modified" % "max cache time" == 0 | 01:04 |
| @preaction | and the end result is lastUpdate + "time since updated" == time | 01:04 |
| @preaction | which i think is what we want | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | but how do you guarantee that we get a request at that time? | 01:05 |
| @preaction | we don't have to | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | but if somebody look at the page at "zero modulo time" + 1 second, we want them to see a non-304 page | 01:06 |
| @preaction | they will, because their Last-Modified will be before that. If-Modified-Since they give us will be at least the maxCache period before the current one | 01:07 |
| @preaction | their If-Modified-Since will be the latest Last-Modified they recieved | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I need an example to follow this | 01:07 |
| @preaction | and the latest Last-Modified they recieve will be the one returned by getContentLastModified | 01:07 |
| @preaction | (not exactly lastModified from the asset) | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | Let's say we're serving up a page with an article and a navigation | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | Last modified == November 17, 2009 3:10pm UTC+8 | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I look at it at November 17, 2009 at 4:10pm UTC + 8 and it shows me a cached page | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | on Nov 18, 2009, 7:00am pm UTC+8, someone adds a new page, changing the nav | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | Max cache timeout is set to exactly 24 hours | 01:09 |
| @preaction | no, you download the page the first time | 01:09 |
| @preaction | but the second time you send an If-Modified-Since: November 17, 2009 3:10pm UTC+8 | 01:09 |
| @preaction | (the Last-Modified of the page request you got first) | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 01:09 |
| @preaction | now, continuing on to Nov 18 7:00am | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | someone updates the nav | 01:10 |
| @preaction | you will still see a cached page, because 24 hours is not up yet | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I look at the page again at 24 hours + 1 second | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | how does the modulo function say that it's time to show the page vs, a 304? | 01:11 |
| @preaction | then your Last-Modified is still the same one you sent previously, but our getContentLastModified adds another 24 hours | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | because the page containing the nav doesn't know the nav was updated | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | getContentLastModified won't change at all | 01:12 |
| @preaction | perlbot math 0 + ( ( 10 - 0 ) - ( 10 - 0 ) % 5 ) | 01:12 |
| perlbot | 10 | 01:12 |
| @preaction | in that example, time == 10, lastModified == 0, and maxCache == 5 | 01:12 |
| @preaction | see how we're really going to return 10 for getContentLastModified? | 01:12 |
| @preaction | perlbot math 0 + ( ( 12 - 0 ) - ( 12 - 0 ) % 5 ) | 01:13 |
| perlbot | 10 | 01:13 |
| @preaction | 2 seconds later, still returning 10 | 01:13 |
| @preaction | perlbot math 0 + ( ( 17 - 0 ) - ( 17 - 0 ) % 5 ) | 01:13 |
| perlbot | 15 | 01:13 |
| @preaction | now we've skipped into a new maxCache iteration | 01:13 |
| @preaction | the user will save "15" as their Last-Modified, and send it back as "If-Modified-Since" | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I see it now | 01:15 |
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| @preaction | it's a bit obtuse, i know, but it should work w/o any extra db entries | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, it's great! | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I've never seen % used to implement a step function before | 01:16 |
| @preaction | might want to explain it thoroughly in a comment to make sure nobody tries to alter it w/o understanding | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 01:17 |
| @preaction | oh, heh, don't use time() directly in the function. get it as $now or something (second-turnover bugs are nasty) | 01:18 |
| @preaction | also sorry if you already knew that | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I've found that out with testing, unfortunately... | 01:19 |
| @preaction | yeah, it's one of those things you don't think about until you're writing the code (at least, once you've been bitten by it) | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to make that as a method of session->http, and use it in the 5-8 places that require it | 01:20 |
| @preaction | i like how some bugs are so painful that you never commit them again ;) | 01:20 |
| @preaction | there is one in session->http->ifModifiedSince | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | and it can take an optional argument for max cache binning | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | that way, anyone using it now can keep using it | 01:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: have you read the docs for APR::Date? | 01:52 |
| @preaction | nope | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | it's an interesting read... | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | and wrong | 01:56 |
| +perlDreamer | it says that parse_http returns the parsed date as the number of microseconds from the epoch | 01:56 |
| +perlDreamer | which would mean that ifModifiedSince will never return true | 01:57 |
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| @preaction | yay found a bug! but also yay found a fix for the bug! | 02:32 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: got a second? | 02:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm back! | 03:28 |
| +perlDreamer | had to go shopping for dinner | 03:28 |
| +perlDreamer | what's up preaction? | 03:29 |
| @preaction | i posted a bug with a potential solution, but i don't know if it's an ideal solution | 03:29 |
| +perlDreamer | adding a mime-types file doesn't sound fun | 03:30 |
| +perlDreamer | could it be a version specific problem? | 03:30 |
| @preaction | no, it's enableStreamingFiles, which nobody uses except these ppl apparently | 03:31 |
| +perlDreamer | _my_ fetchMimeType returns application/rtf | 03:31 |
| @preaction | figures | 03:32 |
| @preaction | fedora then? | 03:32 |
| @preaction | i think they're RHEL 4 or 3 | 03:32 |
| @preaction | let me try 5 | 03:32 |
| @preaction | my OS X returns "text/plain" | 03:32 |
| +perlDreamer | 5.822 is what LWP::MediaTypes on this system is | 03:32 |
| @preaction | likewise | 03:33 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: daviddelikat master * rf12b075 / (t/Asset/EMSSubmissionForm.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test/Activity.pm): changed reset to rerun in Test::Activity - http://bit.ly/2fIbAK | 03:35 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: daviddelikat master * rb0646e4 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test/Activity.pm : added an optional param to pass in 'objectType' for the workflow. - http://bit.ly/2B5Jfq | 03:35 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: daviddelikat master * r31fb088 / (7 files in 7 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/2gJima | 03:35 |
| * perlDreamer puts on his bug nazi hat | 03:35 | |
| +perlDreamer | Upgrade or suffer! | 03:35 |
| daviddelikat | upgrade? | 03:36 |
| daviddelikat | or was that for someone else? | 03:36 |
| +perlDreamer | someone else | 03:36 |
| daviddelikat | k | 03:37 |
| +perlDreamer | you're doing fine :) | 03:37 |
| daviddelikat | whew | 03:37 |
| daviddelikat | thats a first | 03:37 |
| +perlDreamer | you're committing tests :) | 03:37 |
| daviddelikat | so helpdesk is ready to go | 03:37 |
| +perlDreamer | awesome | 03:37 |
| daviddelikat | some cool features this release | 03:38 |
| +perlDreamer | tell me about the upgrade and what to do? | 03:38 |
| +perlDreamer | is it code only | 03:38 |
| +perlDreamer | or are there packages or scripts to run? | 03:38 |
| daviddelikat | you will want to put the packages in | 03:38 |
| daviddelikat | actually theres only one | 03:39 |
| daviddelikat | in the docs directory | 03:39 |
| daviddelikat | has templates only | 03:39 |
| +perlDreamer | all of them? | 03:40 |
| daviddelikat | theres no database changes so all you need to do is put the code in | 03:41 |
| daviddelikat | yes all templates are in one package | 03:41 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 03:41 |
| daviddelikat | I've got to peek at some notes cuz I know I'm forgetting something.... | 03:41 |
| +perlDreamer | do you keep a changelog file in the helpdesk branch? | 03:41 |
| daviddelikat | oof | 03:42 |
| daviddelikat | I'm still working on that kind of discipline | 03:42 |
| daviddelikat | I need people to bang on my head when I forget so that i learn to do that stuff | 03:43 |
| * perlDreamer gets out his +5 remotely actuated head banger | 03:43 | |
| +perlDreamer | prepare for crashings and thrashings of your poor tender head! | 03:44 |
| daviddelikat | my head is far from tender | 03:44 |
| daviddelikat | just ask my jody | 03:44 |
| +perlDreamer | That's a quote from Lloyd Alexander's Prydain series | 03:45 |
| daviddelikat | never heard of it.. | 03:46 |
| daviddelikat | ... | 03:46 |
| daviddelikat | its time for another trip down amnesia lane... | 03:46 |
| daviddelikat | do you remember a while ago you told me about something with the sortable field inthe helpdesk? | 03:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | sortable field in the helpdesk... | 03:48 |
| +perlDreamer | no, maybe we should check the IRC logs | 03:48 |
| daviddelikat | well, I know what I needed to do, but someone else has done something else... | 03:48 |
| daviddelikat | they commented out the sortablel field in ~one~ place | 03:49 |
| +perlDreamer | git blame | 03:49 |
| daviddelikat | hao | 03:49 |
| +perlDreamer | what's the comment that goes with it? | 03:49 |
| daviddelikat | looking | 03:50 |
| * perlDreamer is starting to remember something along those lines. | 03:50 | |
| daviddelikat | 'Fixed an issue where editing and saving a meta data' | 03:51 |
| daviddelikat | so as far as I know the sortable feature is not in | 03:52 |
| daviddelikat | I started coding it but ran into some questions and tok it out | 03:52 |
| daviddelikat | ( commented it out ) | 03:53 |
| daviddelikat | so I probably missed that one piece | 03:53 |
| +perlDreamer | that sounds familiar | 03:53 |
| daviddelikat | which resulted in one person adding the field | 03:53 |
| daviddelikat | and another person commenting it out | 03:53 |
| daviddelikat | so in summary... | 03:54 |
| daviddelikat | sortable is out | 03:54 |
| daviddelikat | and helpdesk works | 03:54 |
| daviddelikat | thanks for listening | 03:54 |
| daviddelikat | can't wait to see the thing running on the WG server | 03:55 |
| daviddelikat | we should probably tell hao to upgrade his helpdesk to get the stuff I just pushed | 03:55 |
| daviddelikat | hes' probably missing a few things | 03:56 |
| +perlDreamer | if his branch is setup correctly, he'll be forced to do a pull before any pushes | 03:57 |
| daviddelikat | I suppose that will help... | 03:57 |
| daviddelikat | by the way tests on the help desk currently run all non-www_ functions and check basic results | 04:02 |
| daviddelikat | I imagine you were plannign on running them, but I just wanted to put that in... | 04:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I usually don't run tests on production sites | 04:04 |
| daviddelikat | oops | 04:04 |
| +perlDreamer | they do bad things "remove from inbox" | 04:04 |
| daviddelikat | there i go thinking halfway again | 04:04 |
| daviddelikat | ever hear of gitosis? | 04:05 |
| daviddelikat | or gitorious? | 04:07 |
| daviddelikat | they are both web based git hosting tools | 04:07 |
| daviddelikat | not quite github, but very nice anyway | 04:08 |
| +perlDreamer | haven't checked out anything except for github | 04:13 |
| +perlDreamer | and I'm heading off to dinner | 04:13 |
| +perlDreamer | because I have to make it... | 04:13 |
| daviddelikat | enjoy | 04:13 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | hold on | 20:01 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re77d2c6 / t/Macro/FetchMimeType.t : Add an explicit test for RTF files, due to cross platform issues. - http://bit.ly/2slbnV | 20:01 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rd1d3bab / sbin/preload.perl : Fix problem with @INC in preload.perl. - http://bit.ly/1EogPq | 20:01 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r39f7925 / t/Workflow.t : Update test for a disabled workflow. - http://bit.ly/1pDHgL | 20:01 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r19be60c / (7 files in 7 dirs): Fix the issue with Assets with macro based content not showing the new content to Visitors. Fixes bug #11200. - http://bit.ly/3qoowm | 20:01 |
| @Haarg | i guess i missed some parenthesis on that preload.perl adjustment | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I missed them, too | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I guess , doesn't bind as high as I think it does | 20:02 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r07a4a55 / t/Macro/FetchMimeType.t : Add an explicit test for RTF files, due to cross platform issues. - http://bit.ly/2V4Nl0 | 20:03 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9187b6b / sbin/preload.perl : Fix problem with @INC in preload.perl. - http://bit.ly/kEisP | 20:03 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r21e1ac8 / t/Workflow.t : Update test for a disabled workflow. - http://bit.ly/28KMhe | 20:03 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re1c77cf / (7 files in 7 dirs): Fix the issue with Assets with macro based content not showing the new content to Visitors. Fixes bug #11200. - http://bit.ly/4nvGHx | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | what does this mean, Haarg: warning: 1 line adds whitespace errors. | 20:03 |
| @Haarg | git thinks whitespace at the end of the line is a bad thing | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll accomodate it | 20:04 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra702698 / lib/WebGUI/Content/Asset.pm : Remove trailing whitespace. - http://bit.ly/3yQR9E | 20:04 |
| @Haarg | so it tells you when it sees a commit adding it | 20:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, it wouldn't be safe to do this, would it: wgd edit --tree --command 'ack -i tmplvar.assetid' | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm guessing the result would be to replace the contents of assets that match by what ack outputs | 20:58 |
| @Haarg | it should be safe. wgd edit doesn't use the out from the command for anything. it only pays attention to file modifications. | 20:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe I'm really looking for wgd ls --filter | 20:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | time to go pick up kids | 23:57 |
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| @preaction | Net::SSH::Expect is better than I hoped | 01:38 |
| @preaction | i had thought it was going to be like spit and bubble-gum | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, wgd does not like filters with spaces in the regex | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | wgd ls --recursive --filter='%template% ~~ /div class/' root/import/article | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | using \s will work, though | 01:42 |
| daviddelikat | preaction | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, I did not upgrade helpdesk last night | 02:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm sorry. | 02:03 |
| daviddelikat | no problem | 02:03 |
| @preaction | sup | 02:11 |
| daviddelikat | imback | 02:15 |
| @preaction | http://gist.github.com/239167 <- autoplex.pl so far, any ideas how to make it better? | 02:15 |
| daviddelikat | I read JT's message RE EMS Submissions | 02:16 |
| @preaction | i think i want to automatically handle "sudo -i" somehow | 02:16 |
| daviddelikat | most of it is easy to take care of most of it | 02:16 |
| daviddelikat | but the Asset thing would be fixed if he had read the Spec I sent him in Sept | 02:17 |
| daviddelikat | which clearly states that new assets were being created | 02:17 |
| @preaction | okay, could you send me that spec quick? | 02:17 |
| daviddelikat | its in the WebGUI dropbox/design/ems folder | 02:18 |
| @preaction | ok | 02:18 |
| @preaction | i remember seeing it, it was called "ems submissions" right? but it's not there now | 02:21 |
| daviddelikat | I'm looking at it, heres the correct path: 'My Dropbox\WebGUI\design docs\ems' | 02:22 |
| @preaction | and the file is called "ems submissions"? | 02:22 |
| daviddelikat | yes, they are both the same | 02:23 |
| daviddelikat | pdf and odt | 02:23 |
| @preaction | what do you mean both? i don't see it, i'm looking on the website now to see if something's wrong here | 02:23 |
| daviddelikat | perhaps I'm not part of the share anymore... | 02:24 |
| @preaction | that might be, i can't tell from here | 02:24 |
| @preaction | e-mail it to me perhaps? | 02:24 |
| daviddelikat | I'll stick it in my public folder and pop a url for you | 02:25 |
| daviddelikat | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/597042/spec%20for%20EMS%20submission.pdf | 02:25 |
| @preaction | yep, pretty clear... i'm sorry | 02:28 |
| daviddelikat | it really doesn't matter to me, I just wanted to make sure it was clear | 02:29 |
| @preaction | i understand what JT wants for this: users should be able to create EMSTicket assets, using a form controlled by an Admin | 02:29 |
| @preaction | yeah, your spec was clear | 02:29 |
| @preaction | if there are any questions, feel free to ask me | 02:29 |
| daviddelikat | I can take care of pretty much everything else on Saturday | 02:29 |
| daviddelikat | its small stuff | 02:29 |
| daviddelikat | not more than bugfix - like changes | 02:29 |
| daviddelikat | so I don't think that the freeze should matter. | 02:30 |
| @preaction | the freeze only affects the first submit of a feature. it's in there, if it needs to be changed or bugfixed to make it better, go ahead | 02:30 |
| daviddelikat | thats what I thought. | 02:31 |
| daviddelikat | I'll do some work on Sat and email you what I did WRT JT's email and the hours, then I'll be done for a while | 02:31 |
| daviddelikat | with some work I hope to have a client or two around the new year... | 02:32 |
| daviddelikat | then I'll be back. | 02:32 |
| daviddelikat | cuz my clients WILL use WebGUI | 02:32 |
| @preaction | sweet | 02:32 |
| @preaction | PB has 28 unique servers | 03:34 |
| @preaction | fun fact of the day | 03:35 |
| daviddelikat | I just installed my third VMware server... | 03:46 |
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| daviddelikat | preaction: your 'autoplex.pl' looks good | 04:39 |
| daviddelikat | ow does it work | 04:39 |
| daviddelikat | how? | 04:39 |
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| @preaction | it uses Net::SSH::Expect and a list of hostnames in @hosts | 06:12 |
| @preaction | I had to set up ssh proxying, I'm probably gonna blog the whole thing | 06:12 |
| @preaction | it always turns out when you create something to do something, someone comes along to tell you of a better solution that was done before | 06:13 |
| @preaction | i'd like to send a payload instead of just doing Perl commands, so that's my next step | 06:14 |
| elnino | grr. wiki search fails again.. anyone know off hand the wiki page with the hosting options listed? | 06:16 |
| @preaction | you mean plain black's hosting options? | 06:17 |
| elnino | no. there was a page that listed other agencies. | 06:17 |
| elnino | not in the index either. | 06:17 |
| @preaction | try the partners page maybe? | 06:17 |
| elnino | s/index/table of contents | 06:17 |
| * elnino go looks | 06:17 | |
| elnino | nope not that... | 06:18 |
| elnino | much longer list. | 06:18 |
| elnino | was on the wiki | 06:18 |
| elnino | Comparetesttools.com redirects to http://www.oqapi.nl/ home page.. who's site is that? | 06:21 |
| * elnino got sidetracked. | 06:21 | |
| @preaction | http://www.oqapi.nl/mensen | 06:22 |
| @preaction | the more i look at this language the more i understand | 06:22 |
| elnino | =) | 06:24 |
| @preaction | well, the ones on the Partners page are your best bet really. there aren't too many more | 06:25 |
| @preaction | you could get a Linode and host it yourself | 06:25 |
| @preaction | otherwise dunno. i mean, i remember seeing the page you're referring to, but durned if i can find it | 06:26 |
| elnino | i'll use googles search. | 06:26 |
| elnino | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/hosters | 06:31 |
| elnino | synq - do you do hosting? I think someone said you did, or was working on something so you could. | 06:50 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, folks | 17:26 |
| @Haarg | morning | 17:27 |
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| +BartJol | yawn, morning fellows | 17:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | Long day at the office, BartJol? | 18:10 |
| +BartJol | yes backup conf | 18:10 |
| +BartJol | so I learned some network interface stuff | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 18:11 |
| +BartJol | now I'm looking whether a 12 GB sftp command runs ok | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm trying to reinvent the back button | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | 12 GB! | 18:12 |
| +BartJol | bringing you back to the stone age? | 18:12 |
| +BartJol | yeah | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a lot of baby Emma pictures | 18:12 |
| +BartJol | that's why I monitor it | 18:12 |
| +BartJol | it's short movies | 18:12 |
| +BartJol | lots | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | hm, lots of little loops? | 18:12 |
| +BartJol | but it's internal | 18:12 |
| +BartJol | yes, you might have heard of the site | 18:13 |
| +BartJol | 50 % and running ok | 18:13 |
| +perlDreamer | is rsync an option? | 18:13 |
| +perlDreamer | it might reduce the transferred data size | 18:13 |
| +BartJol | and the monitoring tool indeed gives me no traffic on the outside network interface | 18:13 |
| +BartJol | looks i did it properly | 18:14 |
| +BartJol | well, i'm gonna prpose that | 18:14 |
| +BartJol | but the tar part of the wrebackup gave load notifications | 18:15 |
| +BartJol | and for the record, if I say: "looks i did it properly", you say: "I hadn't expected anything else" :P | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | but of course! | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, how're those tests? | 18:17 |
| +BartJol | oh yeah, git configuration | 18:17 |
| +BartJol | looks like a nice time to do that, 17.15 in the afternoon | 18:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes and no | 18:18 |
| +perlDreamer | at 17.15 in the afternoon on a Monday, it is great | 18:18 |
| +BartJol | it is monday, isn'tit? | 18:18 |
| +perlDreamer | on a Friday, you are scheduled to go next door and tell MrHairgrease that it is beer:15 | 18:18 |
| +BartJol | he left me | 18:18 |
| +BartJol | he will not join for beer | 18:18 |
| +perlDreamer | serious? | 18:19 |
| +BartJol | I will look like an alcolic, drinking alone | 18:19 |
| +BartJol | yeah, he is on a weekend with his parents | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | how about rory? | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | joeri? | 18:19 |
| +BartJol | he's ill, piggy flue | 18:19 |
| +BartJol | at home with his newborn child | 18:19 |
| +BartJol | another friend also went on a weekend | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | well, in that case, you might as well work on git config :( | 18:20 |
| +BartJol | yeah, that backup succeeded | 18:20 |
| +BartJol | so that is 1 job done | 18:20 |
| +BartJol | I think that security flaw lies in the forum module :) | 18:22 |
| +perlDreamer | the last time someone posted a "security flaw" it was a matter of opinion, and they said they had a fix, but didn't post it | 18:22 |
| +perlDreamer | this fellow shows considerably more promise | 18:22 |
| +BartJol | yeah | 18:23 |
| +BartJol | mmm, time to delete all that branches and start over agian | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | be sure to save the tests! | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | don't nuke them, you shouldn't have to write them from scratch | 18:27 |
| +BartJol | I know :) | 18:29 |
| +BartJol | I normally code in my webgui install, copy to my branch and add it | 18:29 |
| +BartJol | not the easiest way prolly | 18:29 |
| +BartJol | ok | 18:38 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: what is best at the moment I suppose, is that I just give you the file, my git is a complete mess | 18:39 |
| +BartJol | it gives me errors | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, email them to me and I'll test them out, commit, and then send you the right karma | 18:39 |
| +BartJol | well, just half the karma, it takes you to much time | 18:39 |
| +BartJol | I only have 1 complted btw | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 18:40 |
| +BartJol | on it's way | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | awesome | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | do you have any big house projects this weekend? | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I think I'm installing lights in the garage | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | and then taking the kids to the train show in Portland | 18:43 |
| +BartJol | wanna do something with my shower tubing | 18:45 |
| +BartJol | but tonight is gonna be tough | 18:45 |
| +BartJol | 2 parties | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | you can do it! Just pace yourself | 18:45 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r3aa9cfa / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/TabForm.pm): Prevent the back button from resubmitting data as much as possible. Fixes bug #11143. - http://bit.ly/8Plrea | 18:46 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r519a091 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/TabForm.pm): Prevent the back button from resubmitting data as much as possible. Fixes bug #11143. - http://bit.ly/7dhDWw | 18:46 |
| +BartJol | well, I'm behind the bar between 9 and 1 | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, you're tending bar? | 18:46 |
| +BartJol | yeah | 18:47 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r50b2629 / t/Macro/BackToSite.t : Adding Bart's back to site macro test. - http://bit.ly/5MRD9z | 18:53 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r13abdd2 / t/Macro/BackToSite.t : Adding Bart's back to site macro test. - http://bit.ly/4mPLbb | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | karma on the way | 18:55 |
| +BartJol | and received | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks for writing that test, BartJol | 18:56 |
| +BartJol | np | 18:56 |
| +BartJol | thanks for the karma, let's se whether there's a nice rfe | 18:56 |
| +BartJol | tried that language choice stuff, real cool | 18:57 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: what do you think of doug's idea to just set specific files obligated for language inclusion? | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I think you hit it on the head. It may work for now, but after the i18n changes coming in 8 it won't help | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | so I'd rather go with a total score | 18:58 |
| +BartJol | can the tags have different status, like "required" etc | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | it wouldn't make much sense for someone not in the EU to translate the VAT tax plugin | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | so, yes | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | but those are very small | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | however, certain parts of it will always need to be translated, like the name of the plugin | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | so the user facing forms work right | 19:00 |
| +BartJol | yeah | 19:01 |
| +BartJol | hard to do all that choices | 19:01 |
| +BartJol | well, we still can have a required status for the bare minimum stuff | 19:02 |
| +BartJol | and the rest based on percentage | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | right now, I'm more worried about finding _new_ languages up and going | 19:04 |
| +BartJol | well Poish is comiing on | 19:04 |
| +BartJol | polish | 19:04 |
| +BartJol | english is almost complete | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, and french is there near 30% | 19:06 |
| +BartJol | arabic of course | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | no work has been done on Arabic for years, but there is a good base to build from | 19:08 |
| +BartJol | I think ehab did some stuuf last year | 19:08 |
| +BartJol | but as you said, it is beer 15, have to change some cloth, tending bars makes you dirty | 19:10 |
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| @steveo_aa | In the new user account profile manager, I want to instantiate an account profile object for my utility script. How would I go about doing that? | 20:37 |
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| @preaction | steveo_aa: look in lib/WebGUI/Content/Account.pm, that's where WebGUI does it i believe | 20:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | whoa | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | blogs.perl.org | 21:05 |
| @Haarg | indeed, looks pretty nice | 21:07 |
| ckotil | it says powered by movable type at the bottom. | 21:07 |
| @Haarg | hopefully a good replacement for use.perl.org | 21:07 |
| ckotil | i clicked through, and then to their dev site, and it php this and that | 21:07 |
| ckotil | s/it/its | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | we should finish the blog asset | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | we could build a blogging only site, with the new user workflow and the right config file | 21:08 |
| ckotil | that'd be sweet. | 21:08 |
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| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r919e143 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix cache setting and cleaning up issues in the Snippet. Fixes bug #11259 - http://bit.ly/8M7FbW | 21:31 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r17297f4 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix cache setting and cleaning up issues in the Snippet. Fixes bug #11259 - http://bit.ly/6xBRfz | 21:31 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings. | 23:40 |
| elnino_ | howdy | 23:40 |
| SquOnk | Is there a way to batch _delete_ users? | 23:40 |
| elnino_ | I put an rfe in for that... it's somewhere, let me look so you can vote. Otherwise there may be a script. | 23:40 |
| SquOnk | elnino_: There's no script for that in the distribution. | 23:41 |
| elnino_ | then, all the more reason to vote for http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/11051! | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | delete users is very simple | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | foreach my $userId (@ARGV) { my $u = WebGUI::User->new($session, $userId); next unless $u; $u->delete;} | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | there | 23:57 |
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| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc0fea48 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Bump requirement on LWP to fix a MIME type issue with LWP::MediaTypes. Fixes bug #11254 - http://bit.ly/7vUH0m | 00:18 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra2daa33 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Bump requirement on LWP to fix a MIME type issue with LWP::MediaTypes. Fixes bug #11254 - http://bit.ly/75rZYT | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I need to change the template code in 33 different templates, scattered throughout the root node. | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | After making the changes, I was thinking of exporting the whole import node | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | to catch all the templates. Does that seem bad/extreme to you? | 00:24 |
| SquOnk | How's the SynCon encoding bug doing these days? | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | we're having issues with the encoding tests needed to fix the bug | 00:25 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Oh | 00:25 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: A few tests are failing, a lot? | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg wrote a series of tests to guarantee the current behavior, and to fix the SC encoding bug | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | in that test, cyrillic characters were used | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | the tests are failing, but should not | 00:26 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I see. | 00:27 |
| SquOnk | In t/Asset/Wobject/SyndicatedContent.t ? | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, although the tests are not released to any repo yet | 00:28 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: OIC | 00:28 |
| SquOnk | Maybe the Cyrillic symbols are being treated as KOI-8 instead of UTF-8 | 00:28 |
| SquOnk | Are the cyrillic symbols in the test program, are they being read from a file or downloaded (even via Test::MockObject)? | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, what I've told you is hearsay. I've not seen the tests themselves | 00:32 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: All right. | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm fairly sure that MockObject is not involved, however | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | Maybe Haarg would paste the tests and let us have a crack at them? | 00:33 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: If reading/writing from files, make sure you have "use open ':encoding(UTF-8)'" | 00:35 |
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| elnino_ | thanks perlDreamer! | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | you're welcome :) | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | what did I do? | 00:37 |
| elnino_ | the script above | 00:38 |
| elnino_ | and all sorts of things you do here. | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | well, the script above doesn't tell you how to get a session object, so be wary of the fine details | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | but that one line inside of the utility script skeleton should work fine | 00:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | this is how easy it is to modify by hand 33 templates that need bug fixes | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | wgd edit `wgd ls --recursive --filter='%template% ~~ /<!--[^\n]+tmpl_var\s+assetId/' root/import/` | 01:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, packaging up the entire import node doesn't seem too bad | 01:37 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rda2c662 / (34 files in 2 dirs): Fix usage of the assetId in comments, which can break the comment syntax. Fixes bug #10932 - http://bit.ly/6eLUIi | 01:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | mducharme: did you notice the new LDAP related RFE? | 02:32 |
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| mducharme2 | nope, I will check | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | the idea being that the user's profile is updated on each login | 02:39 |
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| mducharme2 | that would be good | 02:40 |
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| mducharme2 | of course, if you go this far, you'll want to take a closer look at what is used as the primary key, so to speak, with ldap... | 02:41 |
| mducharme2 | because some ldap directories generate guids, which would allow for user renames while retaining the same account | 02:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | that would be a good feature. | 02:42 |
| +perlDreamer | We fixed a bug related to that | 02:42 |
| +perlDreamer | one of yours, right? | 02:42 |
| mducharme | because sometimes a user gets married and you don't want to lose their info | 02:42 |
| mducharme | no, but I knew about that bug for years | 02:42 |
| mducharme | lol | 02:42 |
| +perlDreamer | you should have posted it! | 02:42 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction set up an LDAP server just to test things like that now | 02:42 |
| mducharme | I thought it was by design, hence not a bug | 02:42 |
| mducharme | that's the only reason I didn't report it | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | you're always free to challenge us on things like that | 02:43 |
| mducharme | in my situation I don't have users moving around the tree often enough that it is a problem | 02:43 |
| mducharme | and I've always fixed it myself or just deleted them and let them recreate an account | 02:44 |
| mducharme | but I have had that happen, when staff move from one department to another | 02:44 |
| mducharme | their context changes, and webgui didn't update.. again it didn't happen often enough for it to be at the forefront of my mind for me to bother mentioning it :) | 02:45 |
| mducharme | doesn't mysql have an ldap interface, btw? | 02:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know | 02:46 |
| mducharme | I think I read about a method to access mysql with ldap | 02:46 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.mysqlconf.com/mysql2009/public/schedule/detail/8920 | 02:47 |
| mducharme | if mysql can be accessed with ldap, webgui could always just use only ldap for auth instead of needing two different auth methods | 02:48 |
| mducharme | with the built in database being the default ldap | 02:49 |
| +perlDreamer | that's true | 02:49 |
| +perlDreamer | although I don't know if the mysql connector thing is free or not | 02:49 |
| mducharme | it's just an option, would mean less code to maintain, and any enhancements would work with all ldap servers... | 02:50 |
| +perlDreamer | you're as bad with trying to get us to use more LDAP, as I am trying to get you to hack on WebGUI :) | 02:50 |
| mducharme | lol | 02:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | time for me to make dinner | 02:59 |
| +perlDreamer | catch y'all next week | 02:59 |
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| daviddelikat | that is AWESOME! | 19:59 |
| daviddelikat | reminds me of the handwriting clock and block clock | 19:59 |
| daviddelikat | both are flash applets that tell time | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | time to burn an ubuntu install cd | 20:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, daviddelikat2: helpdesk code upgraded on webgui.org. What kinds of things should I look for? | 23:55 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: finally moving to Ubuntu? | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to give it a shot | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I have some conditions... | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | It has to run t/i18n/critic_labels.t in under 40 minutes | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | It has to have working CD Player right out of install | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | It has to rip and encode MP3s with no extra software | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | if it does all that, I'm sold | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm sick of 4 year-old bugs | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm sick of stuff breaking | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | and the politics are frustrating | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | if it all works out, perhaps I'll work on an ubuntu package based on SquOnk's debian package | 01:04 |
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| elnino | do I have to have 8081 open on my firewall? | 06:08 |
| elnino | for spectre to work? | 06:08 |
| elnino | never mind | 06:10 |
| @preaction | nope | 06:14 |
| elnino | is it quicker? if i do configure it in spectre.conf? | 06:14 |
| elnino | I was getting ADMIN: Couldn't connect to WebGUI site *.conf at :8081/?op =spectreGetSiteData | 06:15 |
| elnino | when I had 8081 configured. I changed it back to 80. The comments in that file were a little confusing to me. | 06:15 |
| elnino | hmm. in 7.7.26-stable I'm getting a boatload of files missing in /data/WebGUI/www/extras/yui/build/ | 06:29 |
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| CIA-15 | WebGUI: translation * r12411 /translations/German/German/Asset_EMSSubmission.pm: Updating German on translation server | 20:54 |
| CIA-15 | WebGUI: translation * r12412 /translations/German/German/ShipDriver_USPSInternational.pm: Updating German on translation server | 20:54 |
| CIA-15 | WebGUI: translation * r12413 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_EventManagementSystem.pm Asset_EMSSubmissionForm.pm): Updating German on translation server | 20:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: ubuntu isn't too bad, so far | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | but heaven help you if you use LVM | 00:58 |
| @preaction | yeah, i don't think they're very keen on LVM yet | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | if I can get my email hooked up, then I should be golden | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | for some reason, it used my firefox and pidgin settings, but not thunderbird | 01:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: which email client do you use on ubuntu? | 01:19 |
| @preaction | i used Evolution, worked nicely | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | did they ever fix it so you could use vim as an editor? | 01:21 |
| @preaction | i don't know | 01:22 |
| @preaction | i use all OS X these days | 01:22 |
| @preaction | haven't used ubuntu for 2 years at least | 01:22 |
| @preaction | i have debian on my servers, but no X on those | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | must be part of the evolution | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | start with Slackware, move to Red Hat, move to Fedora, move to Ubuntu, move to closed, proprietary free software | 01:33 |
| @preaction | based on how fed up you get with having to fix things yourself | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I used RedHat-ish for 12 years | 01:34 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll have to use Ubuntu for at least that long | 01:34 |
| @preaction | that won't take long | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | tux racer works | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | the kids are happy | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks to SquOnk, for a source install all I need to do is install the WebGUI package | 02:26 |
| @preaction | yup | 02:34 |
| +perlDreamer | got mail up and gonig | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | it uses a different dot directory | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | fedora uses .thunderbird, and ubuntu uses .mozilla-thunderbird | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | you know a customer with the email addres Lrsda@comcast.net? | 02:46 |
| @preaction | why? | 02:48 |
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| elnino | hi! | 02:50 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, elnino! | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I installed Ubuntu on my laptop today | 02:52 |
| elnino | that sounds fun. | 02:53 |
| +perlDreamer | it's working great so far | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | the hardware compatibility is way better | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | wireless starts up in about 2 seconds | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | the audio worked out of the box | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | with really good sound levels | 02:54 |
| elnino | nice. | 02:54 |
| elnino | hmm. | 03:06 |
| elnino | I want to export the entire site to html. but when I edit a branch, I'm not given the choice to recursively set assets to exportable. =( | 03:06 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 03:07 |
| elnino | that makes me sad. =( | 03:07 |
| elnino | I suppose I can up date the db. | 03:08 |
| +perlDreamer | that could be considered a bug, since that property is shared by all assets | 03:08 |
| +perlDreamer | BUT | 03:08 |
| +perlDreamer | is also defaults to TRUE | 03:08 |
| +perlDreamer | so you shouldn't have to do that | 03:08 |
| elnino | I started noticing that. =) | 03:08 |
| elnino | after going thru each to set them. =) | 03:08 |
| elnino | ok. so... how do I export this site? | 03:09 |
| elnino | external script? | 03:09 |
| +perlDreamer | asset menu | 03:09 |
| * elnino feverishly looking for my book. | 03:09 | |
| +perlDreamer | and make sure that you have an export directory defined in the config file | 03:09 |
| elnino | apparently I have to enable it too. | 03:10 |
| elnino | so , what happens with the upload directory? | 03:10 |
| elnino | does the export take care of that? | 03:10 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 03:11 |
| +perlDreamer | it's very, very thorough | 03:11 |
| elnino | oh.. this enables it for all sites. | 03:11 |
| elnino | oh. no it doesnt. | 03:12 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it's site per site | 03:19 |
| elnino | rght. I have it setup now. | 03:20 |
| elnino | so. I think this is going to uploaded to a windows server, so I really don't want to do anything with the uploads and extras, and it sounds like I need to zip those up and give those directories to them as well. | 03:21 |
| elnino | cause symlinks won't work. | 03:21 |
| elnino | hmm. it didn't grab my css and javascript files. which I probably know why... I just referenced them directly by url. what macro do I need ot use to "get them"? | 03:27 |
| @preaction | you just need to go export them too | 03:35 |
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| elnino | ok. | 04:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | this ubuntu is actually quite nice | 06:24 |
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| elnino | I have a server with many sites on int aleady. but I need to have the db admin dump a 7.5 site so that I may move it to my server. They will not upgrade. is there a nifty way to be able to transfer a 7.5 site to 7.6? | 06:51 |
| elnino | I'm trying to do a package, but the resulting file appears to be too large. I suppose I can break it up. | 06:52 |
| elnino | is there a way to run sql upgrade scripts on a single old db? preaction? Haarg? | 07:00 |
| @preaction | not really. you'd be better off downloading it to your own desktop so you can upgrade it properly, and then putting it on the new server | 07:01 |
| elnino | is 146M too large for http? I'm seeing notes on a wiki that it is. | 07:02 |
| @preaction | most likely, yes | 07:02 |
| elnino | hmm. ok. | 07:03 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:03 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 17:03 |
| +danny_mk | Hi | 17:04 |
| SDuensin | Welcome to Monday. Again. | 17:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, folks | 18:19 |
| @Haarg | morning | 18:22 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re54d02c / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix i18n typo in EMS Submission. - http://bit.ly/56eJ1C | 18:23 |
| +perlDreamer | the Help Desk does not work with Ubuntu's FireFox | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | that is very unfortunate | 18:25 |
| @Haarg | what part doesn't work? | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Adding comments, and changing status | 18:26 |
| @Haarg | looks like the last update partially broke the status field | 18:26 |
| @Haarg | it's displaying the internal name | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | when I try to change status, no dialog box pops up | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | for regular comments, the save button is about 8 pixels wide | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | smaller than any character | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | Firebug says there's an issue with a call made in element-min | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | and I get the same issues with Opera | 18:31 |
| @Haarg | cleared cache i assume? | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | you may so assume | 18:32 |
| @Haarg | what firefox version? | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | 3.5.5 | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | on Ubuntu 9.10 | 18:32 |
| @Haarg | i suppose i need to make a 3.5 install | 18:32 |
| @Haarg | currently using 3.6 betas | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg redefines bleeding edge | 18:33 |
| @Haarg | ah, i see the status change thing | 18:38 |
| @Haarg | it just works differently now | 18:38 |
| @Haarg | no prompt, no save button | 18:38 |
| @Haarg | it just changes it | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I still get a save button | 18:40 |
| @Haarg | bug template bug i think | 18:42 |
| @Haarg | there is no button on the rfe or support boards | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | the last update included a template mod | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm guessing that the RFE and support boards use custom templates? | 18:43 |
| @Haarg | no | 18:44 |
| @Haarg | but the bug board does | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll fix it. | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | looks like bug and rfe both use the same template | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | hang on | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | the difference in is the view ticket tempaltes | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a wgdev version tag pending | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | committing it does two things | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) breaks any kind of width fix | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) makes the post comment button work again | 19:07 |
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| @Haarg | morning patspam | 19:10 |
| +patspam | hola | 19:10 |
| +patspam | i always seem to get a cold when i come to america | 19:10 |
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| daviddelikat1 | perlDreamer | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | sir? | 19:55 |
| daviddelikat1 | I was just reading the comments about helpdesk | 19:55 |
| daviddelikat1 | and both REF and helpdesk are supposed to be using the same template | 19:55 |
| daviddelikat1 | that was supposed to change a couple months ago | 19:55 |
| @Haarg | iirc the reason the bug board is using a different template is because of the karma problems | 19:56 |
| daviddelikat1 | it is perhaps that neither of them are using the correct template | 19:56 |
| daviddelikat1 | I remember that discussion, I thought it was fixed | 19:56 |
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| daviddelikat1 | anyway, I'm not sure the new helpdesk will work with either of the old templates | 19:59 |
| daviddelikat1 | but the diversions should be minor | 20:00 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: did you decide what you want to do for WebGUI 8? | 20:00 |
| @preaction | also, I'd like you and I to take one day out of our week to work on bugs | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm okay with doing backend work | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | and, how 'bout today for bugfix day? | 20:03 |
| @preaction | that's my plan for me, but you can have yours whenever | 20:04 |
| @preaction | i've got some errands to run and some business-related tasks to complete, but i should be able to get a solid 6 hours on bugs | 20:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | Yay! got apache up and running | 20:18 |
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| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra2264e3 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix bad usage of quoteAndJoin in CleanLoginHistory. There's no other place where this happens. Fixes bug #11263 - http://bit.ly/5Bv4u3 | 20:54 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rdd897f5 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix bad usage of quoteAndJoin in CleanLoginHistory. There's no other place where this happens. Fixes bug #11263 - http://bit.ly/7kosZo | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | that last bug was introduced through a refactor of CleanUserLogin, with no tests | 20:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: what's preferred YAML module for wgd? | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | YAML::Syck? | 21:08 |
| @Haarg | YAML::XS probably | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks | 21:19 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rf16adb9 / (29 files in 2 dirs): use alphanumerics in HTML comments. - http://bit.ly/7HY9cG | 21:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino: for the YUI files in the wrong place bug, were you using any assets in particular? | 21:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | running time | 21:52 |
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| @preaction | uh... is the helpdesk broken? | 23:23 |
| @preaction | i can't update status of a bug | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: now it's modal, without a comment box | 23:29 |
| +perlDreamer | just add a comment | 23:29 |
| +perlDreamer | then hit edit | 23:29 |
| +perlDreamer | choose the status, then hit save | 23:29 |
| @preaction | sigh. we need to stop working without a spec on this thing | 23:29 |
| @preaction | this should be my first WebGUIx project | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: for the Code Editor, try using FF | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | the problem seems to be that it wants to do a focus grab | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | and when there's more than 1... | 23:32 |
| @preaction | ah | 23:33 |
| @preaction | Today's reason I hate WebGUI: Private profiles are hidden from Admins | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | You can use the User Manager? | 23:51 |
| @preaction | yes, but the link in the support helpdesk is to the user profile, because that's what Everybody would be able to veiw | 23:52 |
| @preaction | second reason: why are User Manager and Profile Viewer two seperate things? why do Users and Admins edit user profiles through different interfaces? | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Because the Account system wasn't designed that way | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | it wasn't designed _for_ WebGUI | 23:53 |
| @preaction | heh, actually it was. it was designed for the Alumni group, and they use it to edit user profiles via normal users and admins | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | so if all the other stuff was brought over, why weren't the editing privileges? | 23:54 |
| @preaction | in fact, due to special bits about their site, if you edit users from the User Maanger, they get corrupted | 23:54 |
| @preaction | i don't know | 23:54 |
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| CIA-15 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r16cfc75 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix 11185 Code editor broken in IE8 for SQLreport - http://bit.ly/7tt8CU | 00:27 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Doug Bell master * ra1413a9 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix 11177 Code editor steals focus on load - http://bit.ly/6QKFFQ | 00:27 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r772ebdf / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix 11185 Code editor broken in IE8 for SQLreport - http://bit.ly/67ICa7 | 00:28 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r695a6e3 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix 11177 Code editor steals focus on load - http://bit.ly/7A7DLn | 00:28 |
| @preaction | yay! | 00:28 |
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| CIA-15 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * rca83f34 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix 10888 final touches on map point bugs - http://bit.ly/8DqV3E | 00:52 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rdb14bc6 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix 10888 final touches on map point bugs - http://bit.ly/6sHJyb | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | nice work, man! | 00:55 |
| @preaction | danks | 00:55 |
| * perlDreamer continues applying the scalpel to the AssetManager | 00:55 | |
| @preaction | you should apply the bludgeon | 00:56 |
| @preaction | or better yet, the high explosive | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | It can be saved | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | We can build it to be better, stronger, faster | 00:57 |
| @preaction | we don't have 6 million dollars | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | and that was 1975 dollars, too | 00:57 |
| @preaction | okay, 7 bugs closed today. time for exercise | 01:16 |
| elnino | perlDreamer, If I remember correctly, I was just in "func=manageAssets" mode. | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I happen to be in there right now... | 01:31 |
| elnino | yea, that was just a weird bug.. let's me quick look at the logs. because I couldn't find anything either when I tried to repeat it the way I thought it occured. | 01:38 |
| elnino | perlDreamer.. oven timer just went off, will you be around later? | 01:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | yup | 01:41 |
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| * perlDreamer is going to take a dinner making/eating break | 02:46 | |
| +perlDreamer | bbiaw | 02:46 |
| elnino | perlDreamer let me know when you're back. | 03:08 |
| elnino | apparently I"ve been getting those errors since June from that same ip address: 38.100.8.50, that's not mine. I wonder if it's just someone trying to hack? do those attemps gointo the mod proxy error file? | 03:11 |
| +perlDreamer | any attempt to retrieve files from your server will be logged. | 03:17 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe someone has a badly cached page | 03:17 |
| elnino | I don't know. So., I'm thinking these are coming from the "outside" trying to get these pages, as opposed to somehing I'm doing, since it isn't my ip address. | 03:18 |
| elnino | you can close bug. Sorry... | 03:18 |
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| @preaction | nice. i think i created an infinite loop in the syndicated content asset | 03:53 |
| @preaction | worse, it's like a forkbomb. sigh... | 03:55 |
| @preaction | WebGUI needs to stop directing a 404 to the home page... | 03:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino, no need to apologize | 04:07 |
| +perlDreamer | we'd rather close ones that aren't | 04:07 |
| +perlDreamer | than miss ones that are | 04:08 |
| @preaction | hah... forgot that "require" is a filename, not a class name... | 04:35 |
| @preaction | yay! not much work until WebGUIx::Asset::get_edit_form is done! | 04:51 |
| @preaction | strike that... i need a WebGUI::Asset::Template::FromFile before I can continue | 04:55 |
| +perlDreamer | File based templates? | 05:02 |
| +perlDreamer | you pulled them out of the DB? | 05:02 |
| +perlDreamer | intriguing... | 05:02 |
| @preaction | no, i want Both, but i want no HTML in the code at all | 05:08 |
| @preaction | instead, i'll use file-based templates | 05:08 |
| @preaction | plus then the option is there for the developer | 05:08 |
| @preaction | also, any WebGUIx::Asset::Template object will be able to be easily replaced with a different one, while retaining all data | 05:09 |
| @preaction | (moving the template vars from one object to another really) | 05:09 |
| @preaction | plus, it's not just assets that have get_edit_form, it's any Model. so making a composite asset will be that much less work | 05:11 |
| @preaction | okay, gotta be a WebGUI::Template::Asset and WebGUI::Template::File | 05:16 |
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| @preaction | question: What would you all say to people being able to use Template Toolkit directives in any content? | 05:17 |
| @preaction | (to replace Macros completely) | 05:18 |
| @preaction | with the appropriate safeguards and filters, of course | 05:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it's a fine idea | 05:23 |
| +perlDreamer | less syntax to learn | 05:23 |
| +perlDreamer | unless it's horribly slow, of course | 05:24 |
| * perlDreamer is calling it a night | 05:24 | |
| +perlDreamer | more hackery tomorrow | 05:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, folks | 17:57 |
| @Haarg | morning | 17:57 |
| +perlDreamer | do you have some time to talk static_definition, Haarg? | 17:58 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 17:58 |
| +perlDreamer | what do I need to know? | 17:59 |
| SquOnk | Morning | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | Good morning, SquOnk | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | The WebGUI debian package greatly simplified getting up to speed on Ubuntu | 18:08 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Ah, that means the Ubuntu folks haven't tampered with the package at all <g> | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I pulled it from the debian repo | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not in Ubuntu (yet) | 18:09 |
| SquOnk | If there's a release today, there will be an updated one tomorrow. | 18:09 |
| SquOnk | Since Net::Subnets is gone from CPAN, the next package will depend on libnet-cidr-lite-perl OR libnet-subnets-perl for a while. | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I do have a debian related question, if you have some time? | 18:10 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Sure, fire away. I'm running some tests anyway ;-) | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Why did debian rename ack to ack-grep? | 18:10 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: There's ack and ack-grep | 18:11 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: ack was there before ;-) | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | ah... | 18:11 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: ack is a Kanji checker. It was there before ack-grep | 18:12 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: It has happened several times, mind you. | 18:12 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: For instance, atlas is a very nifty linear algebra toolkit, while atlas is also a nice moving map application for flightgear. | 18:13 |
| SquOnk | So Debian has atlas and atlas-fgfs | 18:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll probably make a nice shell alias, since I'm not a common Kanji-checker | 18:13 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Not needed. | 18:14 |
| +perlDreamer | How so? | 18:14 |
| SDuensin | Greetings. | 18:14 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Hold on, let me check ack-grep a minute | 18:15 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: man update-alternatives | 18:18 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Basically, tell Debian that 'grep' means 'ack-grep', so that if you ever remove 'ack-grep', 'grep' becomes 'grep' again. | 18:18 |
| * perlDreamer would rather tell debian that ack-grep means ack, since ack_kanji will never exist on the system | 18:19 | |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Or that too ;-) | 18:19 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: The alias solution will work, of course. | 18:20 |
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| SquOnk | FWIW, rsyslog beats syslog-ng by a long shot... | 18:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, patspam! | 18:47 |
| +patspam | heya | 18:47 |
| +patspam | I just discovered that there is a biscuit here called Graham Crackers | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes! It is an essential component of s'mores | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | also quite good with leftover frosting, and Nutella | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | (and I wonder why I have problems losing weight :/ ) | 18:49 |
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| SquOnk | :-) | 18:51 |
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| CIA-15 | webgui: Graham Knop master * rd0de544 / lib/WebGUI/Exception.pm : better messages for exceptions - http://bit.ly/79kPyC | 19:48 |
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| @preaction | i anticipate by Jan 1 I'll have a working WebGUIx Asset | 20:24 |
| @preaction | with the chrismas break giving me an entire 10 days to work on it | 20:25 |
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| dionak | should a test exist for EMSBadge (in a perfect world)? | 20:59 |
| dionak | or would that be covered by the EventManagementSystem.t? | 20:59 |
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| @preaction | okay, so I submitted a patch for a module, and the owner released a new version including the patch. now what do i do? | 22:03 |
| @preaction | https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=51801 | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | upgrade? | 22:09 |
| @preaction | i mean, how do i shout from the rooftops that i'm awesome? | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | blog about it? | 22:11 |
| @preaction | yeah, that's all i could think of too | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | no, you were thinking banner ads, and it's good that you didn't go down that path | 22:13 |
| @preaction | well, i was considering blanketing the neighborhood with flyers, but that'd be time-consuming | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what kids are for :) | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | "I have these nice cookies, and all you have to do is hand out these pieces of paper" | 22:14 |
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| @preaction | perlbot .at | 22:21 |
| perlbot | preaction: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [.ad] [.at] [AD&D] [add] [addd] [adddd] | 22:21 |
| @preaction | perlbot: .at | 22:21 |
| perlbot | preaction: .at is Austria | 22:21 |
| @preaction | heh, WebGUI handles UTF-8 better than RT and CPAN do | 22:24 |
| CIA-15 | wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * rfdaf4a9 / (build.sh getsource.sh wre/docs/changelog.txt): updating packages - http://bit.ly/8MVkwz | 22:35 |
| CIA-15 | wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * rb5706dd / (3 files in 2 dirs): Updating packages - http://bit.ly/4IB8wt | 22:35 |
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| +danny_mk | hello everyone, | 22:36 |
| +danny_mk | These workflows are driving me to drink | 22:36 |
| SynQ | rejoice! | 22:36 |
| +danny_mk | I have a work flow that is scheduled for every minute but it is not running | 22:36 |
| * SynQ has started working on wrebuild again | 22:36 | |
| +danny_mk | no errors in log, | 22:36 |
| +perlDreamer | is the workflow enabled? | 22:36 |
| +danny_mk | yes | 22:37 |
| +danny_mk | everything is right | 22:37 |
| +danny_mk | I can run it manually no problem but it is almost like it never runs on its own | 22:37 |
| +perlDreamer | you've checked your cron spec to make sure it's right? | 22:38 |
| +danny_mk | I would hate to create cronjobs to do this stuff but it may come down to that if I can't solve this issue | 22:38 |
| +danny_mk | yup | 22:38 |
| +danny_mk | min: */1 | 22:38 |
| +danny_mk | to run every minute | 22:38 |
| +danny_mk | everything else is * | 22:38 |
| @Haarg | do the other workflows run properly? | 22:38 |
| +danny_mk | I have not tried them but there are no running workflows | 22:39 |
| +danny_mk | usually when the system has problems there are queued workflows | 22:39 |
| +perlDreamer | spectre is up and running, and configured correctly? | 22:39 |
| +danny_mk | yup | 22:39 |
| +danny_mk | 32157 ? S 0:00 /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl spectre.pl --daemon | 22:39 |
| +perlDreamer | which version of WebGUI? | 22:49 |
| +danny_mk | 7.7.26 | 23:02 |
| @preaction | i've had problems with every-one-minute spectre tasks before | 23:03 |
| @preaction | perhaps you'd be better off triggering it from the action instead? what is this workflow doing? | 23:03 |
| +danny_mk | WTF? | 23:06 |
| +danny_mk | it shows 0 scheduled tasks | 23:06 |
| +danny_mk | something is very wrong here | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | the cron is enabled? | 23:08 |
| +danny_mk | cron? | 23:09 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rc86ef6b / lib/WebGUI/Cache.pm : Remove old Cache code for filesystem cache. - http://bit.ly/4Ifyg4 | 23:09 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rdd8674c / (README lib/WebGUI/AssetHelper.pm): Add README file, and base class for AssetHelpers. - http://bit.ly/5GfqSy | 23:09 |
| +danny_mk | you mean spectre? | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | no :) | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | Spectre runs Cron jobs, and Workflows | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | Cron jobs are periodic, and Workflows are called from Cron jobs, or by specific actions in WebGUI | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | if you Cron job is not enabled, Spectre won't run it | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | but it will show up in the list of cron jobs in WebGUI | 23:10 |
| +danny_mk | yes, OK, you mean scheduler ";op=manageCron" | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | eys | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I need some git help, please | 23:10 |
| +danny_mk | I see enabled and disabled jobs in that list, that does not look right either | 23:11 |
| @Haarg | ? | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I just pushed some code intended for a branch in WebGUI 8 | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to revoke it, create a new remote branch, and try again | 23:11 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: putting Net::CIDR::Lite into WRE :) | 23:11 |
| @Haarg | git revert | 23:11 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rf8dea7f / (README lib/WebGUI/AssetHelper.pm): | 23:12 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Revert "Add README file, and base class for AssetHelpers." | 23:12 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: This reverts commit dd8674c49b3ca6c8c952ae4a3d0b5c4392736c48. - http://bit.ly/4N50vu | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | there's another one, too, SynQ | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Net::CIDR::Lite replaces Net::Subnets | 23:12 |
| SynQ | indeed so | 23:13 |
| @Haarg | git checkout -b asset-helpers dd8674c49b3ca6c8c952ae4a3d0b5c4392736c48 | 23:13 |
| SynQ | I'm removing Net::Subnets from the WRE too :) | 23:13 |
| +perlDreamer | LWP | 23:13 |
| +perlDreamer | LWP has been updated | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | subversion .833 | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the latest one | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | so you're probably fine, SynQ | 23:14 |
| SynQ | hang on there | 23:14 |
| SynQ | I'm updating perl modules right now | 23:15 |
| SynQ | POE for example is also updated :) | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | There was a bug in x.824. with the MIME types file that ships with LWP | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | we know that x.833 works okay | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | and there's a test to check it going forward | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | so if the suite runs clean, you're good to go | 23:16 |
| SynQ | great | 23:18 |
| SynQ | I love tests | 23:18 |
| +perlDreamer | me, too | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm paying people to write tests now | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | in Karma | 23:19 |
| SynQ | wow | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Want to join in? :) | 23:21 |
| SynQ | well | 23:24 |
| +danny_mk | perlDreamer: should disabled jobs show up in the action "?op=manageCron" | 23:24 |
| @preaction | yes | 23:24 |
| SynQ | I'm going to write a proposal on karma for christmas | 23:24 |
| SynQ | as promised on the WUC | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | Just don't take my karma away. I'm using it now! | 23:25 |
| SynQ | karma will never be the same | 23:25 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ, I switched to using Ubuntu this weekend. | 23:25 |
| SynQ | are we still using the perl module trace | 23:25 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: I'm using ubuntu to build the new wre | 23:26 |
| +perlDreamer | is this going to be 0.9.4, or 1.0.0? | 23:26 |
| SynQ | dunno | 23:26 |
| SynQ | don't care what it's called actually | 23:26 |
| SynQ | as long as there will be a new updated and working version | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I should ask then, will it have 64-bit working? | 23:27 |
| SynQ | that can be used @procolix and @patspam | 23:27 |
| SynQ | I cannot be sure of that | 23:27 |
| SynQ | 64bit is not on my priority list | 23:27 |
| SynQ | does not scratch my own itch so to say | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | gotcha | 23:28 |
| SynQ | why? | 23:28 |
| SynQ | do you need it | 23:29 |
| @preaction | it will be 0.9.4 | 23:29 |
| @preaction | 1.0 will not be until 64-bit works | 23:29 |
| CIA-15 | wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * r05f7589 / (4 files in 2 dirs): updated perl modules - http://bit.ly/79eIwh | 23:30 |
| SynQ | preaction: I am not in charge of release management for the wre | 23:30 |
| SynQ | however I will release a working version of an updated wre | 23:30 |
| SynQ | perhaps even for os/x | 23:30 |
| SynQ | since I own a apple macbook pro since the wuc | 23:31 |
| SynQ | but my main focus is at debian lenny i386 arch | 23:32 |
| @preaction | i'll try to figure out our WRE build system, but no promises it will happen this week | 23:32 |
| SynQ | oh | 23:33 |
| SynQ | I might not even be done updating the wre this week | 23:33 |
| SynQ | so no sweat | 23:33 |
| @preaction | okay, let me know when you want to mark 0.9.4 then | 23:33 |
| @preaction | i'll try to figure it out before then | 23:33 |
| SynQ | shall/should I include a recent version of git into the WRE? | 23:34 |
| SynQ | would that be nice? | 23:34 |
| SynQ | wre being a kitchen sink and all | 23:35 |
| +perlDreamer | wgd :) | 23:35 |
| SynQ | and wgd indeed | 23:35 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam will want Padre | 23:35 |
| @preaction | not yet, let's wait for that | 23:35 |
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| @preaction | though wgd might be sooner rather than later | 23:35 |
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| SynQ | I'm going to bed now leaving my adjusted WRE for a build... | 23:38 |
| SynQ | nite | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | good night, SynQ. | 23:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | off to get kids from school, be back in a bit | 00:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | crud | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I hope he got his spectre problem figured out | 00:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, had to bump the Test::More version since we're using "note" now. | 01:52 |
| daviddelikat | how can i re-create wre.conf? | 01:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | the only I know how to create wre.conf is to rerun the wreconsole | 01:58 |
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| daviddelikat | I don't use wre much | 02:01 |
| daviddelikat | does it require parameters? | 02:01 |
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| daviddelikat | do I need to re-create my site? | 02:02 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Doug Bell fb * r4877313 / (lib/WebGUI/FormBuilder.pm lib/WebGUI/FormBuilder/Fieldset.pm): added some toTemplateVars stuff - http://bit.ly/4z7O6K | 02:02 |
| @preaction | it doesn't require params, and no you don't need to re-create your sites | 02:02 |
| daviddelikat | it says 'could't parse JSON in config file' | 02:03 |
| daviddelikat | the filel is zero bytes | 02:03 |
| daviddelikat | (I had a file space problem over the weekend... ) | 02:03 |
| @preaction | try replacing it with the one from wre/var/setupfiles/wre.conf | 02:03 |
| @preaction | that bug should've been fixed in Config::JSON | 02:04 |
| daviddelikat | it probably is not a bug | 02:04 |
| daviddelikat | I ran out of space on my root partition | 02:05 |
| daviddelikat | and my test script tried to create a new site | 02:05 |
| @preaction | right, but if you run out of space, the wre.conf should not be wiped out | 02:06 |
| daviddelikat | ok that fixed it, thanks very much | 02:09 |
| daviddelikat | I'll finish my testing and put the code tonight. | 02:09 |
| @preaction | okay, if i want to go all overboard on making .dpkg for webgui (individual versions, a -stable and -beta metapackage, etc...) where would i start? anyone know? | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | start with SquOnk's existing package? | 02:10 |
| @preaction | probably | 02:10 |
| @preaction | i got a friend who either used to or still does maintain some dpkgs as well | 02:11 |
| @preaction | the WRE is just annoying me too much | 02:11 |
| @preaction | and vmware is an awesome place to do dev in | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | what does the current package not do, that you want it to do? | 02:20 |
| @preaction | dunno, haven't tried it | 02:20 |
| +perlDreamer | it works pretty well | 02:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I used it on Sunday | 02:20 |
| @preaction | i don't think it tracks beta releases | 02:20 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it only tracks stable, but aside from a few modules it does all the rest | 02:21 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5f1dba5 / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : Bump testing module requirement to handle new test methods in Test::More. - http://bit.ly/7rRFlh | 02:28 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r6e1d9a3 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt www/extras/templateAttachments.js): Fix a JS race condition with template attachments i18n. - http://bit.ly/6CHV2x | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | how does one install a .deb file from the command line? | 02:30 |
| fokat | perlDreamer: dpkg -i foo.deb | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, fokat | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | got any WebGUI questions that I can troubleshoot for you? | 02:30 |
| fokat | not yet :-) | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | well, consider yourself owed one | 02:32 |
| fokat | Thanks :-) | 02:32 |
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| daviddelikat | so i got the sample wre.conf and wre is good, but WG modperl and modproxy wont start because the perl path is too short; can somebody past me the correct path? | 03:02 |
| daviddelikat | or perhaps send me a copy of a working wre.conf | 03:02 |
| daviddelikat | looks like I have more todo than just the path... | 03:04 |
| @preaction | perl path is too short? | 03:07 |
| @preaction | did you make sure to run setup again? | 03:07 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfae11ff / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : Bump testing module requirement to handle new test methods in Test::More. - http://bit.ly/6qT9xq | 03:07 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r871991a / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt www/extras/templateAttachments.js): Fix a JS race condition with template attachments i18n. - http://bit.ly/5QNy3w | 03:07 |
| daviddelikat | setup via wreconsole? -- Im trying but its not working | 03:08 |
| daviddelikat | I'm getting connection refused | 03:10 |
| @preaction | that's a firewall issue | 03:10 |
| daviddelikat | oops, I forgot, I'm trying to get to the wrong host... | 03:11 |
| daviddelikat | yeah! it works really well when you use the ip of the system its running on rather than just localhost... | 03:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | some days, it is good to be the Dad | 03:19 |
| daviddelikat | it makes a great excuse :) | 03:24 |
| +perlDreamer | meaning to say, kids are doing well | 03:26 |
| +perlDreamer | tonight | 03:26 |
| +perlDreamer | at least right now | 03:26 |
| daviddelikat | so the path used by perl has ~only~ one entry | 03:27 |
| +perlDreamer | hm? | 03:27 |
| daviddelikat | which prevents aything from running | 03:27 |
| daviddelikat | I'm having trouble running WG | 03:27 |
| daviddelikat | modperl and modproxy wont start | 03:27 |
| daviddelikat | because they can't load any WG modules | 03:28 |
| daviddelikat | due to the path | 03:28 |
| daviddelikat | do you know where the path comes from? | 03:28 |
| +perlDreamer | did you run setEnvironment.sh? | 03:28 |
| +perlDreamer | from /data/wre/sbin? | 03:28 |
| daviddelikat | it won't start from wreconsole wither | 03:30 |
| daviddelikat | either | 03:30 |
| daviddelikat | I tried setenv... but it did not help | 03:30 |
| +perlDreamer | did you do the setenvironment.sh thing? it sets all the paths | 03:31 |
| +perlDreamer | what's your path currently? | 03:31 |
| daviddelikat | echo $PATH | 03:31 |
| daviddelikat | /data/wre/prereqs/bin:/data/wre/prereqs/sbin:/data/wre/sbin:/data/wre/bin:/usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/data/tools:/root/bin | 03:31 |
| daviddelikat | is that the path you wanted to see? | 03:31 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 03:31 |
| +perlDreamer | and it looks right | 03:32 |
| daviddelikat | I have to take a break and be a dad for a while | 03:32 |
| daviddelikat | back later | 03:32 |
| +perlDreamer | good luck :) | 03:32 |
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| daviddelikat | perlDreamer: you around? | 04:54 |
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| elnino | where can I find start up scripts? | 07:04 |
| elnino | nevermind. found them | 07:05 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r4d73d6b / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.7.27 release. - http://bit.ly/7zL7T9 | 07:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ, are you really awake? | 08:33 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ: there may be a perl level bug with UTF-8 and non-latin characters | 08:37 |
| +perlDreamer | there is a test for it, though | 08:37 |
| +perlDreamer | so if t/Search.t fails, you'll know that you've hit it | 08:38 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc64911c / t/Asset/Wobject/EventManagementSystem.t : Update test for changes in core code. - http://bit.ly/6Vjams | 09:13 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2df0f8a / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.7.28 development cycle. - http://bit.ly/6dAgMh | 09:31 |
| SynQ | ah | 09:32 |
| SynQ | thanks perlDreamer | 09:32 |
| +perlDreamer | you're welcome :) | 09:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I really hope it isn't a central perl bug | 09:33 |
| +perlDreamer | but I've come across it on Fedora Core 11, and Ubuntu 9.10 | 09:33 |
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| CIA-15 | WebGUI: translation * r12414 /translations/German/German/Asset.pm: Updating German on translation server | 12:42 |
| CIA-15 | WebGUI: translation * r12415 /translations/German/German/WebGUI.pm: Updating German on translation server | 12:42 |
| CIA-15 | WebGUI: translation * r12416 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_EventManagementSystem.pm Asset_EMSSubmission.pm): Updating German on translation server | 12:42 |
| CIA-15 | wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * ra124bb7 / (build.sh wre/docs/changelog.txt): left debug statement in build.sh - removed - http://bit.ly/8wQKtu | 12:49 |
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| CIA-15 | wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * r66e8371 / build.sh : fixed another typo in the MySQL compile for Linux - http://bit.ly/6fk1Kh | 13:00 |
| CIA-15 | WebGUI: translation * r12417 /translations/German/German/Asset_EMSSubmissionForm.pm: Updating German on translation server | 13:04 |
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| SquOnk | Morning | 14:16 |
| SquOnk | About to upgrade the Debian package to 7.7.27 | 14:17 |
| SquOnk | There's a typo in docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt. It says perload.perl instead of preload.perl ;-) | 14:17 |
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| CIA-15 | wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * r7436e90 / build.sh : libtool replacement in ImageMagick Makefile no longer needed. - http://bit.ly/7dHnVZ | 14:35 |
| CIA-15 | wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * rcb81625 / build.sh : UNIVERSAL-can now uses Build.pl - http://bit.ly/625vBS | 14:35 |
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| SquOnk | There's another thing that needs fixing. | 14:44 |
| SquOnk | You cannot require Template::Toolkit in testEnvironment since there's no .pm named like that. There's a .pod holding documentation. | 14:44 |
| SquOnk | However, you should be requiring Template | 14:44 |
| SquOnk | I have a perfectly good installation of Template::Toolkit and testEnvironment is telling me I don't ;-) | 14:45 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:06 |
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| +BartJol | morning | 16:09 |
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| carogray | could WebGUI could have committed edits despite the fact that I did not commit the version tag? | 17:14 |
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| carogray | I suspect I went on to the page to commit the version tag, change my mind at the last minute, but did not click 'save' on the commit the version tag page. | 17:14 |
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| carogray | I thought of one more thing and backed out of it. So version tag is still uncommitted but the edits are now appearing live whilst I am logged out | 17:15 |
| carogray | I cannot rollback the version tag since it is uncommitted. huh | 17:15 |
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| +BartJol | carogray: did you empty all you caches? | 17:33 |
| carogray | nope | 17:34 |
| +BartJol | does the version tag still appear in the admin bar? | 17:34 |
| carogray | but changes should not be showing up in IE logged out | 17:34 |
| carogray | when I am working in FF | 17:34 |
| carogray | yes, version tag still appears in admin bar | 17:34 |
| +BartJol | mm | 17:35 |
| +BartJol | and you haven't been logged in in IE during editting? | 17:35 |
| carogray | nope | 17:35 |
| +BartJol | just for certainty | 17:35 |
| +BartJol | strange | 17:36 |
| +BartJol | there is an autocommit possibilty | 17:36 |
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| +BartJol | but if it still appears | 17:36 |
| carogray | oh weird! | 17:36 |
| +BartJol | que? | 17:37 |
| carogray | just cleared IE cache, but never edited in IE now it is displaying pre-edited version | 17:37 |
| +BartJol | well, it is ok then, weird, but ok | 17:37 |
| carogray | could ie have detected my FF login somehow/ I cleared IE cache and cache in Admin console in FF | 17:37 |
| carogray | so strange, but it works now | 17:38 |
| +BartJol | maybe, it is strange though, I wouldn't have expected that | 17:38 |
| carogray | this is exactly why I use IE to view | 17:38 |
| carogray | FF to edit, IE to view | 17:38 |
| carogray | oh well | 17:38 |
| carogray | thanks for the suggestion | 17:39 |
| carogray | oh now this is really weird! | 17:40 |
| +BartJol | yeah, well standard webgui irc reactions: did you clear your cache and have you checked your logs and did you rtfm | 17:40 |
| carogray | the early edits I made under the version tag which is as yet still uncommitted do not show, but the very last edit I made is showing up in IE! | 17:40 |
| +BartJol | what? | 17:40 |
| carogray | how weird is that? | 17:40 |
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| carogray | ok I made some edits to a table and then changed some links... early this morning ~4ish. | 17:41 |
| carogray | then later this morning ~9 I finally decided I was just about done and changed the date - a metadata field I have added - only a text field, to November 2009. It had been June 2009. | 17:42 |
| +BartJol | well I'm strugging with a db vs uploadsdir problem | 17:42 |
| carogray | Scrolling down the IE freshly cache cleansed, table is original one from June, however date is November | 17:42 |
| carogray | bizarre | 17:42 |
| carogray | back to your db vs. uploadsdir problem - don't mean to distract you... | 17:43 |
| +BartJol | can be that the metadat isn't included in the version tag | 17:43 |
| +BartJol | du nno exactly | 17:43 |
| carogray | ja, hmm | 17:43 |
| carogray | funny | 17:43 |
| carogray | I will just need to remember this for future. | 17:44 |
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| +patspam | mornin' | 17:46 |
| +BartJol | morning | 17:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, webgui folks | 17:58 |
| +BartJol | yeah and why did you moved all my files in the uploads dir? | 17:59 |
| +BartJol | put them back | 17:59 |
| +BartJol | oh, morning Colin | 17:59 |
| +BartJol | the first bug in the morning tasted the best he | 18:01 |
| +perlDreamer | what happened? | 18:01 |
| +BartJol | dunno | 18:02 |
| +BartJol | storage locations in the db seem outdated | 18:02 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.7 or 7.8? | 18:02 |
| +BartJol | at least, they differ from files in the uploads dir | 18:02 |
| +BartJol | 7.7.21 | 18:02 |
| +perlDreamer | let me guess, storageIds in the db are GUIDs | 18:03 |
| +perlDreamer | but storage locations in the filesystem don't look like that, right? | 18:03 |
| +BartJol | wait 1 minute, telephone | 18:04 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: they are longer | 18:10 |
| +BartJol | 10 characters' | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | yup, those are hexadecimal style GUIDs | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | guaranteed to work on case-insensitive filesystems | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | if you use the wgd, it can convert from GUID to hexId for you | 18:11 |
| @Haarg | it's the same id, just encoded differently | 18:11 |
| +BartJol | ok | 18:12 |
| +BartJol | ah, and if I do not on that server? | 18:15 |
| +BartJol | ah, and since I don't see capitals in them, that would be related, I suppose | 18:17 |
| dionak | can someone point me to instructions to upgrade from 7.5 to 7.7? I know there's a version that I need to upgrade to as an intermediary step | 18:18 |
| dionak | but I don't know the version number | 18:18 |
| +perlDreamer | it's all in the gotchas file, dionak | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | in general, upgrade to the latest in the series, then take the shunt upgrade to the next stable | 18:19 |
| dionak | thanks, perlDreamer. | 18:19 |
| dionak | k | 18:19 |
| dionak | do you recall when we created the single page checkout? | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | oh my goodness, it was last year sometime? | 18:20 |
| dionak | yes | 18:20 |
| dionak | there was a method in core that changed, that I think you mentioned, that we'll need to address | 18:20 |
| dionak | it was late in the evening when you mentioned it | 18:20 |
| dionak | just thought i'd check to see if that rang a bell | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | it does | 18:21 |
| dionak | do you recall what method it might have been? | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I believe it is email notifications | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | they were moved from the payment drivers, into the transaction | 18:21 |
| dionak | ok, thanks. i'll keep that in mind during the upgrade/maintenance work. | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | there was an issue about shop credit | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | because it could cause the value of the cart to be 0 | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | that short circuited email notifications, since no driver would accept 0 for a checkout value | 18:22 |
| dionak | makes sense | 18:22 |
| +perlDreamer | so, by moving email notifications into the transaction, it guaranteed that an email is always sent | 18:22 |
| dionak | k, thanks. that's helpful | 18:23 |
| dionak | btw, how's your macro test project going? | 18:23 |
| +perlDreamer | pretty good | 18:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I have two people working with me | 18:23 |
| +perlDreamer | we do a few tests per week | 18:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm really encouraged by it | 18:23 |
| +perlDreamer | and the positive use of karma | 18:23 |
| dionak | yes, i agree that it's a great use of karma. | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, git question for the room. I have an uncommited cherry-pick with lots of conflicts | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I resolve all the conflicts, now I want to see a diff of all the work | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | git diff says NOTHING | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | git status says that there are changes to be committed | 18:25 |
| @Haarg | git diff --cached | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, Haarg! | 18:28 |
| +BartJol | mm, tests fail while installing | 18:30 |
| dionak | does the upgrade process happen sequentially? | 18:30 |
| +BartJol | wgdev\ | 18:30 |
| dionak | in other words, when i upgrade from 7.5.40 to the latest using the webguiupdate.pl script is there anything needed from me manually to address comments like "You must upgrade to WebGUI 7.7.2 before going to this version." & "You must upgrade to WebGUI 7.7.3 before going to this version." | 18:31 |
| dionak | etc.. | 18:32 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.6 * r523305f / (4 files in 4 dirs): Fix security issues with the search screen in the Asset Manager. Fixes bug #11272. - http://bit.ly/7lUl3N | 18:32 |
| @Haarg | unfortunately, webguiupdate.pl doesn't handle that | 18:32 |
| @Haarg | upgrades from 7.5.40 have to be done manually | 18:32 |
| dionak | k, thanks. | 18:32 |
| dionak | even thought it's 4 or so upgrades, knowing that saves me time. ;) | 18:33 |
| @Haarg | the early 7.7 upgrades where it notes stop versions you don't need to pay attention to. that's probably something we should make more clear in the gotchas. | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | At one point, I thought that cap10morgan proposed a way to help webguiupdate handle stop versions | 18:34 |
| @Haarg | to upgrade from 7.5.40 to the latest stable, you first upgrade to the last 7.6 release, then upgrade to the current 7.7 release | 18:34 |
| @Haarg | only two steps | 18:34 |
| +BartJol | ok how do I transform GUID to hexId now? so it operates on my db storageId's, not on the uploads dir? | 18:35 |
| dionak | ah, ok. yes, that could be a little more clear. it reads differently to me. | 18:35 |
| dionak | in the gotcha | 18:35 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 18:35 |
| +BartJol | sorry for not take the time to rtfm now | 18:35 |
| +BartJol | I will do in the near future | 18:35 |
| @Haarg | those notes are about the beta versions, and you skip over them when doing a normal upgrade | 18:35 |
| @Haarg | i agree it should be more clear | 18:36 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: sorry for bothering you, I see the guid command, but that merely generates those guids ad far as I can see | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I didn't release that code, let me check | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol, try the switch --toHex | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | wgd guid --toHex someAssetId | 18:44 |
| +BartJol | ah | 18:44 |
| +BartJol | the wgd guid --heklp didn't give me that option | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | bad, bad perlDreamer for not updating POD | 18:45 |
| +BartJol | ah | 18:45 |
| +BartJol | ok | 18:45 |
| +BartJol | and how do I do that for every file except the ones that were already transformed | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI will happily work with both kinds of ids in the uploads directory | 18:46 |
| +BartJol | ok | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | there are some scripts in the Bazaar to convert them all over if you don't like the mixing | 18:46 |
| +BartJol | as long as they are the same | 18:46 |
| +BartJol | what happens if I don't give an assetId? | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | wgd guid is only an informational tool | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | it won't do anything that hurts | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | although, I did see some code that emails all your passwords to an overseas account in Wisconsin in one of the wgd commands.... | 18:50 |
| +BartJol | :) | 18:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ: if it isn't already in there, App::Nopaste is a very handy developer tool | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | it requires the xclip script, though, for clipboard interface | 19:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | any docs for setting up a memcached server? | 19:46 |
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| dionak | wondering if any has run into this issue. During the upgrade process, I run the install for the lastest versions of Compress::Zlib and Params::Validate. The module install process reports success but when I print the module version and/or run the testEnvironment.pl script again, I notice the modules aren't upgraded. | 20:26 |
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| @preaction | yes, but it doesn't matter as webgui will work anyway | 20:31 |
| +perlDreamer | are you sure the install went into the right perl library? I'm always forgetting to set the WRE environment | 20:32 |
| dionak | yes, i add that to my bashrc now so i don't forget | 20:32 |
| dionak | and i triple checked | 20:32 |
| dionak | it looks like the build process of the params::validate doesn't copy the files over, from what i've seen | 20:32 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie asset-helpers * rda567e1 / (lib/WebGUI/Cache/Database.pm lib/WebGUI/Cache/FileCache.pm): Remove Database and FileCache modules. - http://bit.ly/8xiOZg | 20:43 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie asset-helpers * red8f2c4 / (lib/WebGUI/AssetHelper/Cut.pm t/AssetHelper/Cut.t): A few small tweaks, and a test. - http://bit.ly/5G7bE6 | 20:43 |
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| dionak | in the upgrade process, the table template_attachments is created in upgrade_7.7.5-7.7.6.pl and upgrade_7.6.35-7.7.17.pl. | 21:16 |
| dionak | the existence of this table causes the later script to fail | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | if you upgrade to 7.7.17, it should skip 7.7.5-7.7.6? | 21:17 |
| dionak | idk, i upgraded to 7.6.35 and then tried to upgrade to the latest version | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | do you have the log from that last upgrade? | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | not the webgui log, but the upgrade output? | 21:18 |
| dionak | yes, it's still in memory | 21:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | could you please check to see which scripts it run during the upgrade? | 21:19 |
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| dionak | it doesn't appear to run the first script, so why would the table pre-exist? | 21:20 |
| dionak | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m15192dda | 21:20 |
| dionak | the base table message is in regards to views that were created | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the question, dionak | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | this has been reported before, but no one has been able to duplicate it | 21:22 |
| dionak | i have reverted back to 7.6.34 to restart the upgrade process, then i get this error | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | does the table existin 7.6.34? | 21:22 |
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| dionak | yes | 21:23 |
| dionak | oh, wait. let me actually drop the table and see if it gets restored | 21:24 |
| dionak | the first time i ran the upgrade, i received an error about packing snippets (just fyi) | 21:25 |
| dionak | no, it didn't exist in 7.6.34. Because of the way the upgrade process handles sudden death, the table still existed | 21:26 |
| +perlDreamer | so earlier, when you say you reverted, it was only a code revert? | 21:26 |
| +perlDreamer | not the db as well? | 21:26 |
| dionak | no, i restored the sql from the /tmp/backup directory for version 7.6.34 (no code reversions, just db). Because there is no drop table statement in that sql, the table still existed from a previously failed upgrade attempt. | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | that makes perfect sense | 21:29 |
| dionak | looks like i need to drop all the tables, then restore b/c i'm seeing another case of this with survey | 21:29 |
| +perlDreamer | might be simpler to drop and recreate the whole db | 21:29 |
| dionak | does mysql drop permissions as well when a db is dropped? i thought it did | 21:30 |
| dionak | or, rather, i think it does | 21:30 |
| @preaction | no, it doesn't | 21:30 |
| dionak | handy | 21:30 |
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| dionak | did the other person reporting the issue with template_attachment existing also report that a previous upgrade failed? | 21:33 |
| dionak | it's likely they went through a similar scenario | 21:33 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, it's very likely | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | it sounds like we need an upgrading WebGUI wiki page | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | with advice on how to handle failure | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | because procedural differences like this are killer to try and duplicate | 21:35 |
| dionak | yes, that sounds like a good idea. i'll look to see if a page exists and, if not, create one | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/upgrading | 21:38 |
| +perlDreamer | took me a while to find it, because it doesn't word stem, and I was searching for upgrade | 21:38 |
| dionak | ditto | 21:38 |
| dionak | tks | 21:39 |
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| dionak | ok, now i'm back to the original error "Pre-packing all snippets, this may take a while...Backslash found where operator expected at (eval 16690) line 1," | 21:39 |
| dionak | "Reverting use packed... Warning: something's wrong at upgrade.pl line 252." | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | the 2nd warning is indicative of a broken asset | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | where the assetId, revisionDate do not exist in all the right tables | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | the assetId should be logged in webgui.log | 21:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | dionak: Wait! | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | stop! | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | You need to talk with William about packing javascript, and Jquery | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | he found a bug in the module that we use to do that | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | and the fix isn't released yet | 21:52 |
| dionak | oh, he's on sales calls | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | it could be causing the problem that you're seeing now | 21:52 |
| dionak | ok, great to know. i'll ping him. | 21:53 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry about not remembering that sooner | 21:53 |
| +perlDreamer | could have saved you some headaches | 21:53 |
| dionak | np. glad you remembered now :) | 21:53 |
| dionak | i'm seeing 4 messages where update is trying to update fields that don't exist "update() tried to set field named 'usePackedHeadTags' which doesn't exist in table 'assetData'" | 21:54 |
| dionak | e.g. | 21:54 |
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| ckotil | dionak: during the upgrade from 7.6.32-7.6.33? | 22:59 |
| ckotil | ah, nevermind :x | 22:59 |
| ckotil | no wait, that has to be where you see that. cuz i see it to line 252, bleh bleh | 23:00 |
| dionak | i see it when running the 7.6.35-7.7.17 upgrade. | 23:17 |
| * ckotil hrms | 23:21 | |
| ckotil | maybe its from 7.7.5-7.7.6 then? | 23:22 |
| ckotil | either way, the only solution ive found so far is to commit all open version tags | 23:22 |
| dionak | i've discovered a data integrity issue that i suspect is the ultimate culprit | 23:23 |
| dionak | i'm looking into that now | 23:23 |
| ckotil | ok, im pretty sure its the 7.7.5-7.7.5 bc the issue i had with 7.6.32-7.6.33 had to do with the userProfile table | 23:23 |
| ckotil | nice. | 23:23 |
| dionak | what was the issue? were you missing columns? | 23:23 |
| ckotil | i was hitting a limit in mysql | 23:23 |
| dionak | what kind of limit? | 23:23 |
| ckotil | my table was innodb | 23:24 |
| ckotil | Root cause: Can't create table './globalnoc_iu_edu/#sql-6ac_143e.frm' (errno: 139) | 23:24 |
| ckotil | the old errno: 139 google has a lot of info on it. its a known limitation w/ mysql innodb | 23:25 |
| ckotil | i set the table to myisam and it that fixed it | 23:25 |
| ckotil | good luck with that bug. im heading home. Happy Thanksgiving | 23:32 |
| dionak | thanks, you too | 23:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | dionak, did you locate the problem? | 00:16 |
| dionak | not yet | 00:20 |
| dionak | the packing is a non-issue for us | 00:20 |
| dionak | i've pulled down production and decided to start from scratch to ensure the data matches what is in production. | 00:21 |
| dionak | once i get this back up to 7.6.32, i'm going to stop there and evaluate if I need to go up any higher | 00:22 |
| dionak | woohoo! hey there 7.6.35...you're a sight for sore eyes | 00:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | dionak, don't forget the security update | 00:39 |
| dionak | ? | 00:39 |
| dionak | where is that? | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/download/advisories/security-failure-to-check-privileges-in-asset-manager-search#cGfk8Yw9h3WqbA7TniiQgA | 00:39 |
| dionak | i never saw a further update on that | 00:39 |
| dionak | thanks | 00:39 |
| dionak | happy holidays...i'm heading out | 00:44 |
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| hudsong | Hi, we're using WebGUI at my company to build out some content management systems that we host. Does anybody have an idea of what kind of performance issues there could be when hosting large number of instances/sites on the same stack? | 00:46 |
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| @preaction | hudsong: what do you mean by "large number"? we have servers with 60 sites on them | 00:53 |
| @preaction | that's where it starts getting tricky with Spectre, you have to make spectre work faster without DoS the server | 00:53 |
| hudsong | 60 would be large | 00:53 |
| hudsong | by our count | 00:53 |
| @preaction | also, we don't exactly have huge, top-of-the-line servers | 00:54 |
| @preaction | they're just 4-core 2.4Ghz 4GB systems | 00:54 |
| hudsong | How many connections do you think you are getting across all of the 60 sites? | 00:54 |
| @preaction | RAM being probably our biggest bottleneck | 00:54 |
| @preaction | if MySQL has more RAM, it's a lot more efficient | 00:54 |
| @preaction | it's even more efficient if you put Mysql on another server, and even more efficient if you get a multi-master setup with WebGUI's dbSlave configuration | 00:55 |
| hudsong | We have a dedicated server for the project with about 10GB Ram available right now quad core so I think that should handle the sites | 00:55 |
| @preaction | the point being that there are ways WebGUI uses to scale, and we don't need to use them on that server yet | 00:56 |
| hudsong | That was my next question is how possible it will be to scale later | 00:56 |
| @preaction | just be careful about backups, MySQL does evil things (it has to lock the entire table to pull a backup) | 00:56 |
| hudsong | I think that answers my question, thanks. | 00:56 |
| hudsong | We will want to be doing a backup every night. I suppose that will shut down the site for the time it takes to do the backup? | 00:57 |
| @preaction | no, it'll just be down for writing | 00:57 |
| @preaction | and it only takes a few minutes to pull the dump (unless the site is huge) | 00:57 |
| hudsong | Each site will not be that huge. | 00:57 |
| @preaction | so it'll be in a read-only mode for a few minutes | 00:57 |
| @preaction | yeah, the site i'm talking about that has backup problems has over a half-million assets and 60,000 registered users | 00:58 |
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| hudsong | That's a long way off for us | 00:58 |
| @preaction | so you should be fine ;) | 00:58 |
| hudsong | Thanks | 00:58 |
| hudsong | Actually, one more quick question | 00:58 |
| hudsong | Do you know off the top of your head a quick way to clone a site? | 00:59 |
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| @preaction | you using the WRE? | 00:59 |
| @preaction | either way the process is the same: make a new, blank site. then copy the database and uploads folder from the other site | 00:59 |
| hudsong | No, unfortunately. A contractor originally built out the site although we are planning on upgrading our version of WebGUI and moving to the WRE in 2010 | 01:00 |
| hudsong | We are just under a time crunch here and have to work with what we have. | 01:00 |
| @preaction | something as simple as: mysqldump www_old_com | mysql www_new_com; cp -R /old/uploads /new | 01:00 |
| hudsong | Do we also have to clone the etc/old_site.cnf and domains folder as well? | 01:01 |
| hudsong | Or does cloning the database take care of the domain? | 01:01 |
| @preaction | that's the uploads folder, the one in /data/domains/<sitename>/public/uploads | 01:01 |
| @preaction | but the conf file, no. you might have to do some cherry-picking to get the stuff you need though | 01:02 |
| @preaction | but the conf file keeps track of the database name and user/pass, so you don't want to lose that info | 01:02 |
| hudsong | I see. Thanks for your help. | 01:02 |
| @preaction | if you didn't change the old conf file, you shouldn't have to change the new conf file | 01:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, how do you envision commit with comments working with the new Admin Console? | 01:22 |
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| @preaction | that hasn't been envisioned yet, there are issues with it | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm seeing big issues with VersionTag.pm | 01:26 |
| @preaction | i would like a simple pop-up box, but i don't think that'll fly | 01:26 |
| @preaction | yeah | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to work around it for now, and set the expected behavior with tests. | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | there's no way in WebGUI to clear out a redirect after it's been set | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | in that case, I'm not going to work around it | 01:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | the best thing about Asset Helpers is that they make www_ methods testable through the API, instead of the UI | 02:02 |
| vayde_ | say, is there a way to globally change the color pallette? | 02:03 |
| vayde_ | the one I selected at startup is unreadable on some screens | 02:03 |
| vayde_ | or, failing that, re-run the initial setup? | 02:07 |
| @preaction | not really, no | 02:08 |
| @preaction | you could edit the stylesheet manually | 02:08 |
| @preaction | but that's about it | 02:08 |
| vayde_ | well, good to know I wasn't just spacing it | 02:09 |
| vayde_ | thanks | 02:09 |
| @preaction | i want to rewrite that wizard so it can be used later (call it the "Home Page Wizard"), but that's really low on the priority list | 02:09 |
| vayde_ | yeah, I hear you. | 02:09 |
| vayde_ | this is humorous, spectre was getting flagged as an attack by mod_security, and was being blocked | 02:11 |
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| @preaction | yeah, that will happen | 02:12 |
| @preaction | and be careful with mod_security, it's really really really really slow | 02:12 |
| vayde_ | yeah, but it takes alot of the sting out of PCI compliance | 02:13 |
| vayde_ | my usage of it at home is more of a laboratory | 02:13 |
| @preaction | ah | 02:13 |
| @preaction | that's why i like not doing direct CC processing, make someone else worry about PCI | 02:13 |
| vayde_ | right, but I work for a bank.... I am the 'someone else' | 02:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | Happy Thanksgiving, patspam | 02:26 |
| +patspam | thanks perlDreamer! | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | find a nice house? | 02:27 |
| +patspam | we did an early one on the weekend | 02:27 |
| +patspam | been eating leftovers ever since | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 02:27 |
| +patspam | going in to Brooklyn on Friday to visit 6+ houses | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | wow | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | taking the train? | 02:27 |
| +patspam | yeah | 02:28 |
| +patspam | 2+hr commute, sucks! | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | Could I ask you to take a few cell phone pictures of the train? | 02:28 |
| +patspam | heh for sure | 02:28 |
| +patspam | the Long Island Rail Road | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | the kids would appreciate that very much :) | 02:28 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie asset-helpers * r7298af4 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Copy Asset Helper (self only). - http://bit.ly/6HXqhq | 02:45 |
| CIA-15 | webgui: Colin Kuskie asset-helpers * r0b124f2 / (lib/WebGUI/AssetHelper/Copy.pm t/AssetHelper/Copy.t): Finish Copy (self) Helper. - http://bit.ly/6rY900 | 02:45 |
| +perlDreamer | you know, if Padre did HTML syntax highlighting, then along with the WGD integration it could become the foremost tool for working on WebGUI | 02:47 |
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| +patspam | heh it does | 03:07 |
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| +BartJol | Haarg: you know whether there is a way to quote GUID's that f.i. start with a dash ( - ) wgd thinks I'm giving options double and single quotes don't help | 15:33 |
| +BartJol | mmm interpunction | 15:33 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie asset-helpers * r9eadb26 / lib/WebGUI/AssetHelper/Copy.pm : Make the message subclassable, too. - http://bit.ly/70kGN0 | 19:38 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie asset-helpers * r80a6b90 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Add Copy with children Asset Helper - http://bit.ly/8U4QyI | 19:38 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie asset-helpers * r2ea377b / t/AssetHelper/Copy/WithChildren.t : Fix test comment. - http://bit.ly/4H5IGD | 19:46 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie asset-helpers * r39ffaba / (4 files in 3 dirs): Add copy with descendants. - http://bit.ly/8WkZtA | 19:46 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie asset-helpers * r7d9ee7b / (5 files in 3 dirs): Add Promote and Demote helpers. - http://bit.ly/5p40gW | 20:30 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie asset-helpers * re006139 / README : Note which Asset Helpers need to be done. - http://bit.ly/4ziyVX | 20:50 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rc02b0e8 / t/Macro/DeactivateAccount.t : Add DeactivateAccount macro test with 100% coverage. - http://bit.ly/5CFYy4 | 21:20 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie asset-helpers * reba37b8 / lib/WebGUI/AssetHelper/Revisions.pm : Beginning work on Revision assetHelper - http://bit.ly/5eSBuB | 21:34 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rddf3fa1 / lib/WebGUI/Macro/ConvertUTCToTZ.pm : Remove unneeded checks for session user existance. - http://bit.ly/7U3NGK | 21:34 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r98db4fd / lib/WebGUI/Macro/ConvertUTCToTZ.pm : Remove unneeded checks for session user existance. - http://bit.ly/920bE2 | 21:34 |
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| SquOnk | Hello | 02:18 |
| SquOnk | I'm working on the spanish translation. What is the EMS Submission typical use case? Is that for proposing Keynotes? | 02:28 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5475fa6 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Have the USPS shipping driver accept ZIP+4, even if USPS doesn't. - http://bit.ly/6pI8ew | 05:30 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rcc0cc0b / (3 files in 3 dirs): Have the USPS shipping driver accept ZIP+4, even if USPS doesn't. - http://bit.ly/6aF3W0 | 05:30 |
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| xum | what can't webgui do? | 07:55 |
| mducharme | make coffee for you in the morning | 07:59 |
| xum | yeah i figured i'd get that kind of an answer | 08:04 |
| mducharme | heh | 08:04 |
| mducharme | well when your question is that unspecific, it's hard to answer | 08:05 |
| mducharme | you can develop your own add ons for webgui to extend its capabilities if it doesn't do something you want built in | 08:05 |
| mducharme | I chose webgui because it seems the most configurable of all the open source CMS's I tested | 08:08 |
| mducharme | and easiest to use, the file system-like tree design is intuitive... | 08:09 |
| mducharme | that was quite a few years ago when I compared it directly with typo3 and mambo (now joomla) | 08:10 |
| xum | i figured i'd give it a shot, it's in the middle of it's build right now | 08:11 |
| mducharme | what kind of website is this for | 08:12 |
| xum | a tattoo shop for now | 08:12 |
| mducharme | if your content is mostly static, and you do not have many pages, having a content management system to begin with is not a necessity | 08:13 |
| mducharme | but if you want to post news and stuff, and update your website on a regular basis, having something like webgui is really nice | 08:14 |
| mducharme | in my case, I need to make it editable by people who do not have HTML training | 08:14 |
| xum | it's the easiest way for people who don't know what they're doing to update their own page | 08:14 |
| mducharme | meaning just regular staff who need to update a page | 08:15 |
| mducharme | yup | 08:15 |
| mducharme | it is best at that, I think | 08:15 |
| mducharme | because the levels of UI complexity are configurable | 08:15 |
| mducharme | you can hide the options from the less experienced users | 08:15 |
| mducharme | so that the advanced options do not confuse them | 08:16 |
| xum | that's a plus, don't need to go confusing people | 08:16 |
| mducharme | people who are set to guru will see all options | 08:16 |
| mducharme | people who are set to beginner level will only see certain options, and even then, you can customize what those beginners see via the config file | 08:16 |
| xum | so it comes with customizable built in user levels? | 08:16 |
| mducharme | yes | 08:16 |
| xum | sweet | 08:16 |
| mducharme | how to customize them is not well documented but it's easy enough to do in the config file | 08:17 |
| xum | takes all the work out of being lazy | 08:17 |
| mducharme | you just have to specify the option in the config file and what user level is required for the option to be visible | 08:17 |
| xum | easy enough | 08:17 |
| xum | can that be done on the fly or is a rebuild of anything required? | 08:18 |
| mducharme | it can be done on the fly | 08:18 |
| xum | 2-6 hours to build | 08:18 |
| mducharme | because it is done in the config file it can be done on a per site basis | 08:18 |
| mducharme | I hope you're using the wre, it's the way to go | 08:18 |
| xum | yeah but i had to go with the source package | 08:19 |
| xum | no rpms available | 08:19 |
| xum | or packages anyways | 08:19 |
| mducharme | that's fine, the WRE makes things easier even if you have to compile it yourself | 08:19 |
| mducharme | there are certain things in the WRE optimized for webgui | 08:19 |
| mducharme | if you try to set up the webgui source with a default apache instance, you may get performance less than you'd like | 08:20 |
| mducharme | the WRE is nicely tuned already for webgui so it performs well | 08:20 |
| xum | mkdir /data;./build.sh --all | 08:20 |
| xum | hopefully it'll all work out smoothly | 08:21 |
| mducharme | I recommend setting up a demo site, playing around with it | 08:21 |
| mducharme | the way webgui works was quite intuitive to me, but it took a bit of time to figure out everything | 08:22 |
| mducharme | http://demo.webgui.org/ | 08:22 |
| xum | manuals are for people who've never heard of trial and error | 08:22 |
| mducharme | I normally tell people to check out the demo before editing their own sites | 08:23 |
| mducharme | because if they mess up the demo, it's not a big deal :) | 08:23 |
| mducharme | that's in cases where they need "guru" UI level access to see all options but don't necessarily understand everything they are doing | 08:24 |
| mducharme | the biggest confusion I see with people is deleting an article on a page versus deleting the entire page.. the options are clear to me, but some people find them confusing | 08:26 |
| mducharme | and end up deleting the entire news gadget instead of just deleting a single news article | 08:26 |
| mducharme | you can protect against that with the UI level settings etc as well | 08:26 |
| xum | haha damn, that'd suck | 08:28 |
| xum | better make sure to fool proof that one then | 08:28 |
| mducharme | for people who need the full access, it's best to get them to try their change on a demo site | 08:29 |
| mducharme | so that they are confident they know what they are doing before making the change on the real site :) | 08:29 |
| mducharme | for the people where you can limit their UI access, it's not an issue since you can prevent them from deleting the wrong things | 08:30 |
| mducharme | sometimes managers/execs want full access even though they don't know what they're doing, that's where the demo site can come in handy too.. | 08:31 |
| xum | seems i'm having problems out the gate, Apache modperl won't start :/ | 09:02 |
| xum | install round two | 09:59 |
| xum | something got broken | 09:59 |
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| SynQ | hmm | 14:59 |
| SynQ | shall I include Moose in the WRE? | 14:59 |
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| SynQ | ah | 15:09 |
| SynQ | dapperedodo: shall I include Moose in the WRE? | 15:09 |
| dapperedodo | I don't know, i did not use it before | 15:10 |
| SynQ | since perlDreamer asked for App::Nopaste | 15:11 |
| SynQ | which requires Moose | 15:11 |
| dapperedodo | may be you should ask perldreamer then | 15:12 |
| SynQ | no awake he is | 15:12 |
| dapperedodo | I think it is only needed for development, not for production | 15:13 |
| SynQ | I'm allready half way there though | 15:13 |
| SynQ | that doesn't matter so long as there is only one (1) WRE | 15:13 |
| dapperedodo | I'm ok with it | 15:13 |
| SynQ | any modules you would like to be in the new WRE? | 15:13 |
| dapperedodo | good compiled Crypt::OpenSSL::RSA | 15:15 |
| SynQ | that is allready in | 15:18 |
| SynQ | and an update version too 0.26 | 15:18 |
| dapperedodo | great | 15:22 |
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| CIA-54 | wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * re542d81 / (6 files in 4 dirs): added perl modules for App-Nopaste - http://bit.ly/4p33kz | 15:51 |
| SynQ | you know hat | 15:51 |
| SynQ | what | 15:51 |
| SynQ | I'm going to add git to the wre | 15:51 |
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| SquOnk | Morning | 17:44 |
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| SynQ | perhaps I should include ssh and vim into the wre too :P http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11110 | 23:05 |
| CIA-54 | wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * rd74783e / (16 files in 3 dirs): updated copyright added curl and git - http://bit.ly/8Jwwxz | 23:43 |
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| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie asset-helpers * r3eb0ac7 / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 02:05 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Flesh out Revisions assetHelper. | 02:05 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Add a simple method to WebGUI::HTML to format an array as a table row. | 02:05 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Do not join non-asset tables in queries. - http://bit.ly/8AhR74 | 02:05 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rcb74591 / lib/WebGUI/Account/Inbox.pm : Fix typo in POD sub name. - http://bit.ly/72fk3L | 02:18 |
| CIA-54 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re614fc1 / lib/WebGUI/Account/Inbox.pm : Fix typo in POD sub name. - http://bit.ly/5mBkAf | 02:19 |
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| xum | webgui | 12:59 |
| +bartjol | xum, what's up with webgui? | 13:00 |
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| xum | it's very odd | 13:08 |
| +bartjol | xum: how comes? | 13:09 |
| xum | mostly due to the perl | 13:10 |
| +bartjol | do you mean, it is odd, because perl is used at all, or the implementation of perl? | 13:11 |
| xum | well i haven't bothered figuring out the implementation of perl yet, so i guess because it's used at all | 13:17 |
| xum | getting use to it though | 13:18 |
| +bartjol | ah, well we mostly like it for the object oriented language, I believe, and cpan | 13:19 |
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| SquOnk | Morning. | 13:43 |
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| SynQ | the perl of harbour | 14:40 |
| SynQ | perhaps we should rename WRE to dock | 14:40 |
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| carogray | we used to have some cgi-bin/answer.pl file on a website just moved to WebGUI. | 15:24 |
| carogray | Is there a problem with creating redirects for these files, I keep getting error messages. | 15:24 |
| carogray | ps - good morning | 15:24 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 15:58 |
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| CIA-54 | wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * r7f1743e / build.sh : fixed typo in cd ../.. catdoc - http://bit.ly/6YgdeF | 17:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | brb | 17:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah, much better | 17:26 |
| +perlDreamer | morning bartjol! | 17:26 |
| +bartjol | afternnoon dear sir | 17:26 |
| SquOnk | Hi everyone. | 17:26 |
| SquOnk | I'm trying to finish the spanish translation. Can anyone explain what's the use case for EMS Submissions? | 17:27 |
| SquOnk | Is it for proposing talks/bofs? | 17:27 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, it's for any user suggested events | 17:28 |
| +perlDreamer | _any_ | 17:28 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: So it could be understood as "Event Suggestions"? | 17:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Or Proposed Events | 17:29 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, that's the right vein | 17:29 |
| SquOnk | All right. | 17:30 |
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| +bartjol | mmm, maybe dpeche mode tonight | 18:13 |
| +perlDreamer | no house building work? | 18:15 |
| +bartjol | sure | 18:17 |
| +bartjol | but maybe not tonight | 18:17 |
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| @steveo_aa | I'm seeking a good example of triggering a workflow from a web page. Any pointers? | 19:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | steveo_aa, what do you mean by "a web page". | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | workflows are triggered by actions, like viewing a web page | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | or by direct invocation, like a link or form on a web page | 20:01 |
| @steveo_aa | I have a page submit that takes too long to complete, causing proxy errors (timeout) before returing. | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | which version of WebGUI? | 20:01 |
| @steveo_aa | I wish to allow 7.7.22 or 23 | 20:01 |
| @steveo_aa | Heh | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Try using the ProgressBar module | 20:01 |
| @steveo_aa | I'd rather background it and allow the user to move on. | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | A workflow may not work, since it will have a different session | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | and no access to the form variables | 20:02 |
| @steveo_aa | The session is not critical. | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | it's all post processing? | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | userId doesn't matter, too? | 20:02 |
| @steveo_aa | If I could pass a parameter or two that would be helpful. | 20:03 |
| @steveo_aa | I want to avoid creating a UNIX background process. | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | look inside Operation/User.pm, near the phrase "trigger workflows" | 20:07 |
| +perlDreamer | that will show you the code you want | 20:07 |
| @steveo_aa | Ok. That looks good. | 20:08 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI will still try to run that workflow, but if it takes longer than 60 seconds (and the workflow activity itself must do that check), then it will stop processing, and hand off to spectre. | 20:09 |
| @steveo_aa | By selecting series in the workflow, that affirms that consecutive calls to the workflowId will cause that workflow to queue each subsequent call in order until the queue is cleared? | 20:10 |
| @steveo_aa | Like a printer queue? | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what perldoc says | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | although it's "serial", not "series" | 20:12 |
| @steveo_aa | Aye | 20:12 |
| dionak | perlDreamer, i'm running testCodebase.pl on 7.6.35 and receiving a many failing tests. Is this a known issue or could it be specific to our environment? | 20:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know. It would depend on the tests. | 20:18 |
| dionak | here's the test summary: http://webgui.pastebin.com/mc27290b | 20:19 |
| dionak | i know that t/Asset/Asset_diagnose isn't loading custom code, which is the only issue with that test | 20:20 |
| +perlDreamer | the syntaxCheck test is failing | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | if you find out why, it may fix the other failing tests as well | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | also, the template tests are failing, which is unusual | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | is this a production site? | 20:22 |
| dionak | it's a staging site | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | the tests do evil things like 'delete from inbox' | 20:22 |
| dionak | trying to get the site up to 7.6.35 this week to fix some outstanding issues | 20:22 |
| dionak | like, evil as in the test deletes objects it didn't create? | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | it may | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | we're working on cleaning that up, but the tests (in general) are not safe to run on data that you consider important | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | syntaxCheck is okay, Asset_diagnose is okay. | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | the template and i18n tests are safe | 20:25 |
| dionak | ok. sytaxCheck appears to contain Dumper statements | 20:25 |
| dionak | after removing those statements, it passes | 20:28 |
| dionak | is 7.6.35 safe to run in production | 20:28 |
| dionak | ? | 20:28 |
| +perlDreamer | the stock syntaxCheck test doesn't contain Dumper statements. | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.6.35 is safe, after the security patch has been applied | 20:29 |
| dionak | let me double check the download | 20:29 |
| dionak | let me rephrase, syntaxCheck was executing an upgrade file (docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.4.21-7.5.0.pl) on our system that contained Dumper statements. This file doesn't exist in the 7.6.35 download. | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | that's probably because each new version is an overlay on top of the old one | 20:33 |
| dionak | yes, i agree | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | with a "clean" syntaxCheck, the only way to know about the other test failures is to hunt them down one by one. | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | i'd start at the first failure, as it may trickle down and affect downstream tests | 20:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: do you see anything fishy in this -> http://gist.github.com/245644 | 20:56 |
| @Haarg | seems reasonable | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | it's better than version 1 | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | where it was deleting old revs of the CS | 21:13 |
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| * perlDreamer goes running | 22:02 | |
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| dionak | can someone help me with this error from webgui.log? | 23:07 |
| dionak | Unable to process macro 'AssetProxy': Can't access assets/WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Layout/isContainer. Can't coerce array into hash at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Config/JSON.pm line 134. | 23:07 |
| dionak | at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm line 459 | 23:07 |
| @Haarg | the assets list in the config file isn't correct | 23:09 |
| dionak | what should i look for in regards to correctness? | 23:10 |
| @Haarg | well, you can look in the WebGUI.conf.original file | 23:11 |
| @Haarg | the most common reason that error would show up though is an upgrade problem | 23:11 |
| dionak | very likely... thanks Haarg | 23:12 |
| dionak | yes, that was it... | 23:17 |
| dionak | tks | 23:17 |
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