| --- Log opened Thu Oct 01 00:00:31 2009 | ||
| carogray | ok - is it now that if editors have ie6 they can no longer edit WebGUI in v. 7.7.20, or is it just the way our templates are set up? | 00:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | carogray, just what can't they edit? | 00:01 |
| carogray | when I go to www.laccm.org in ie 6, logged in, edit pagelayout a few things quickly pass by and then I get simply blank white page - as I write I guess I should look at source code? | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | how does a demo site work? | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | that will quickly tell you if it's your site, or if it's WebGUI in general | 00:03 |
| carogray | duh - hadn't tried that yet... | 00:03 |
| carogray | keep setting up and don't quite make it through the day before site is wiped again - keep meaning to make a package to do this...but I get it, good suggestion will try. | 00:03 |
| carogray | also having a terrible time the last few days on Google Chrome and Firefox browsers with edit window being unbelievable awkward, wants to delete anything I copy, can't ctrl z must edit almost everything in notepad and then paste back into browser which appears to occasionally freeze | 00:04 |
| carogray | this on several different machines - so I cancel go to page layout and then try to edit the style template again! | 00:05 |
| carogray | off to catch my bus | 00:11 |
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| dionak | i just discovered there's no test for ThingFieldList form control so I'm writing one. I need to set the value for the ThingId so it can be retrieved via $session->form->get('thingId') | 00:24 |
| dionak | what's the easiest way to do this? | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | you can force form lookups using the pseudorequest object in the session | 00:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | that is given to all tests | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | the method is called setup_body | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | you can grep through the tests for examples of how it is used | 00:25 |
| dionak | great. thanks | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe next year at the WUC Haarg can give a class on advanced Test writing mayhem | 00:25 |
| dionak | that would be great to see | 00:25 |
| dionak | there are some details to tests that I don't yet grok | 00:26 |
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| @preaction | carogray: what do you mean by edit window? the Code Editor or the Rich Text Editor? | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: now that tests are required for all commits, will that limit the scope of things that can be done for RFE days? | 00:34 |
| @preaction | not that i know of, just have to have tests | 00:35 |
| @preaction | it will probably limit the amount of RFEs | 00:35 |
| carogray | preaction: the Code editor | 00:41 |
| @preaction | carogray: okay, I think JT's gonna upgrade you quick to see if 7.7.21 fixes those problems (i fixed problems with using Ctrl+ Alt+ and Meta+ keys to do things like Ctrl+A and Ctrl+C -X -V etc...) | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | wow: http://code.google.com/apis/documents/docs/3.0/developers_guide_protocol.html#SpecialFeatures | 00:43 |
| carogray | what's a meta + key? | 00:43 |
| @preaction | Meta is different on most systems, but on OS X it's the Command key | 00:47 |
| @preaction | Windows it can be the Windows key | 00:47 |
| @preaction | but the windows key is reserved for windows-specific things like Windows+R | 00:48 |
| carogray | oh so I have to figure out what key to substitute that is if 7.7.21 doesn't work? | 00:48 |
| carogray | do any of you guys have windows machine so you could try it out first? | 00:49 |
| @preaction | no, the normal key combinations work | 00:49 |
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| carogray | Firefox just kept freezing on my and then Bartjol said this morning to upgrade to FF 3.5 since I was only on 3.0.1 or something | 00:49 |
| @preaction | there was a problem where any keypress asked the code editor to refresh the highlighting. the problem is if you've selected something, refreshing the highlight deletes what's selected | 00:50 |
| carogray | I did, but still have a number of problems | 00:50 |
| @preaction | that's why you're being upgraded | 00:50 |
| carogray | yes, that sounds exactly like what was happening | 00:50 |
| carogray | oh goody! | 00:50 |
| @preaction | that problem was fixed in 7.7.21 | 00:50 |
| carogray | ok not to nag, but do you have nay idea when he will be upgrading - no point in going round in circles too much if I can wait a little and fix the inner page template after the upgrade | 00:51 |
| @preaction | i don't know. he looks away right now, but that could mean anything | 00:52 |
| carogray | ok - well I will plug away on thanks for all your help - | 00:54 |
| @rizen | carogray: is it ok if i upgrade your site right now? | 00:58 |
| @rizen | will take about 5-10 minutes | 00:58 |
| @rizen | and then your code area problems will go away | 00:58 |
| carogray | yes sure, should I just close all windows? | 00:58 |
| @rizen | you can keep them open | 00:58 |
| @rizen | just don't edit anything until i give you the go ahead | 00:59 |
| carogray | ok right - thanks | 00:59 |
| @rizen | ok starting upgrade now | 00:59 |
| carogray | k | 00:59 |
| @rizen | upgrade is running | 01:02 |
| @rizen | upgrade half done | 01:03 |
| carogray | all rightey | 01:03 |
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| carogray | just discovered my version of IE6 will not let me log in, tried it on demo.webgui.org and I can select time zone | 01:04 |
| carogray | next screen I can't get into my company, website or email ... | 01:04 |
| @rizen | ie6 is an evil browser | 01:04 |
| carogray | think its the way I installed it | 01:04 |
| carogray | I know, but something like 28% of our users use it! | 01:05 |
| @rizen | wow | 01:05 |
| @rizen | that's way above the normal average | 01:05 |
| carogray | so I keep thinking it's sorted and then someone tells me | 01:05 |
| @rizen | these days it's generally accepted that ie6 is about 2.5% of users | 01:05 |
| carogray | remember our users are, we hope, mostly low income people many working on donated computers in communicty centers | 01:05 |
| @rizen | but of course that is dependent upon audience | 01:06 |
| @rizen | so yeah, you're right | 01:06 |
| carogray | of course several of the advocates and office managers in legal services programs still are using it too! | 01:06 |
| @rizen | plainblack.com for example has less than 1% of users on ie6 | 01:06 |
| carogray | believe it or not | 01:06 |
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| carogray | I be plaing black has less than 1% users on Windows:)! | 01:06 |
| carogray | I bet Plain Black.. | 01:07 |
| @rizen | masslegalhelp.org is taking a long time to upgrade...but then again it is your largest site | 01:07 |
| carogray | does it do site by site? | 01:07 |
| @rizen | mlri.org is the last one | 01:07 |
| @rizen | the database gets upgraded site by site | 01:07 |
| @rizen | because each site gets a database | 01:08 |
| @rizen | the code is all upgraded at once | 01:08 |
| @rizen | cuz all sites share the codebase | 01:08 |
| @rizen | ok, upgrade complete | 01:08 |
| carogray | well that was quick - shall I try it now? | 01:08 |
| @rizen | as promised, less than 10 minutes | 01:08 |
| @rizen | sure | 01:08 |
| @rizen | oh, you may need to "refresh" your browser window, while holding down the shift key | 01:09 |
| @rizen | or clear your cache | 01:09 |
| @rizen | either way | 01:09 |
| carogray | okey doke | 01:12 |
| carogray | rizen: view source says we are now on 7.7.21, is that good enough | 01:12 |
| carogray | ? | 01:12 |
| @rizen | could be...the only reason i said to clear cache is that i'm not sure if any javascript is cached for the code editor | 01:13 |
| @rizen | and since that was the problem you were having | 01:13 |
| @rizen | ... | 01:13 |
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| carogray | ok... when I edit a template and save I end up with a screen that is just some sort of navigation list, | 01:14 |
| carogray | is this because i need to go into admin console settings and apply a template to ... | 01:14 |
| carogray | I think someone, probably perldreamer told me about this the other day, but so much to remember and I am an old git | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | carogray, don't be self-deprecating | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | you're only a middle-aged git ;) | 01:15 |
| carogray | I feel OLD | 01:16 |
| carogray | so where is the place you change the template for the backend? | 01:18 |
| carogray | I am sure it is in settings somewhere | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | admin console template? | 01:19 |
| carogray | oh I think I am looking for in Settings UI tab, User function style - but it already has the LACCM default template there | 01:20 |
| carogray | where am I supposed to end up after I save a style template if I got to it from the page layout? | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | back to the page layout, unless there was an error in processing the template | 01:20 |
| carogray | uh huh, and from the asset manager, back to the asset manager? | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a good question, carogray. I think so, but it may take you back to the folder containing the template | 01:22 |
| carogray | ok, well I am finally in the Code editor, needed to make a back up of the template before I started "improving it" and to see how the ctrl a, c, x, v thing works. | 01:23 |
| carogray | probably gonna run outta innernet access now | 01:23 |
| carogray | success! copy and paste worked once | 01:24 |
| @preaction | once is all! if it doesn't work the next time it's not a bug! | 01:24 |
| @preaction | yay! | 01:25 |
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| @preaction | or something | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | heh | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, preaction. I needed a good laugh. | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I may need some help with a bug later today | 01:25 |
| carogray | worked twice! | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | the user is complaining about Textarea and Thingy, again | 01:26 |
| @preaction | yeah, the problem there perlDreamer is that might actually be a bug | 01:26 |
| carogray | then hopped quickly into strange navigation before returning to page layout | 01:26 |
| * perlDreamer tried it, and it worked fine | 01:26 | |
| @preaction | carogray: yeah, that's a side-effect of the redirect | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | checked db values | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | if it's a problem, it's client side | 01:26 |
| @preaction | carogray: wait, that might actually be a bug now that i think about it | 01:27 |
| carogray | cept sometimes it doen's follow through to the 'redirect' | 01:27 |
| carogray | sometimes it gets stuck | 01:27 |
| carogray | ok just thought I would let you know since so far you have all saved me about 3 days of head banging | 01:27 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: so if I put < in a text area, i get < back out right? | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | No | 01:28 |
| @preaction | it almost sounds like it's being double-escaped | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | If you put in <, you get back < | 01:28 |
| @preaction | < is not in the database, but < should appear in the text area again | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | when it is displayed | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | in the db, you should get < | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | this is what I think is happening | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) there is a bug, but the user doesn't know enough English to get it through my redneck head | 01:29 |
| @preaction | no, yes, you're right < in the database and < in the textarea | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) there is not a bug, but user is convinced that there is | 01:29 |
| @preaction | i'm convinced of number 1: when the textarea is displayed the second time, the < is being double-escaped to &lt; | 01:29 |
| carogray | ugh...run out of enough internet to work...thanks a bunch guys, later | 01:35 |
| * perlDreamer will place his redneckness in check, and try again | 01:43 | |
| +perlDreamer | after fixing the DateTime plugin | 01:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think I have it | 02:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | you didn't sleep in, patspam... | 02:26 |
| +patspam | damn meeting forced me out of bed | 02:26 |
| +patspam | I mean.. top of the morning to ye! | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I hear ya | 02:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | EPOCHS CAN BE NEGATIVE!!!!! | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | working on datetime bugs makes me quite grumpy | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | either that, or it's this cold | 02:39 |
| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r312433c / (6 files in 4 dirs): Fix multiple Date and DateTime bugs. bug #11079 and bug #11071 - http://bit.ly/kwoTs | 02:51 |
| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r25b4a0b / (6 files in 4 dirs): Fix multiple Date and DateTime bugs. bug #11079 and bug #11071 - http://bit.ly/3z2B89 | 02:51 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam: are you working the perl blogosphere, evangelizing WebGUI? | 02:53 |
| +patspam | just doing my bit for global domination! | 02:53 |
| +patspam | epochs can be negative? | 02:53 |
| +patspam | pre-1970's dates? | 02:53 |
| @preaction | yep | 02:53 |
| +patspam | craziness | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, 6 hours of test writing and refactoring craziness | 02:57 |
| +perlDreamer | my birthdate is almost a negative epoch | 02:57 |
| @preaction | patspam, perlDreamer: do you guys want to go to http://webgui.org/planet/add-your-blog and fill out the friendly form? i'm trying to get things ready | 02:59 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, I thought you might have primed us in already | 02:59 |
| @preaction | ah, no, i don't know your blog addresses | 03:00 |
| @preaction | plus, the form acts like a blogroll | 03:00 |
| * perlDreamer gently pokes preaction: they're on planet webgui (aussie version) | 03:00 | |
| @preaction | (the main http://webgui.org/planet page shows the list view of entries in that form) | 03:00 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: are you looking for feedback about the planet formatting, or is it too early yet? | 03:02 |
| @preaction | yes, i need to get a designer on it cuz it sucks | 03:03 |
| @preaction | and also i think the syndicated content asset is screwed up | 03:03 |
| +perlDreamer | as TGC is for Shop, so will Planet WebGUI be for SC | 03:03 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be nice to have dates on the entries | 03:03 |
| @preaction | yes it would | 03:04 |
| +patspam | I've submitted my blog | 03:04 |
| @preaction | danke | 03:04 |
| +patspam | other ones in my planet webgui are | 03:04 |
| +patspam | http://www.webgui.org/news/news6?func=viewAtom | 03:04 |
| +patspam | (which changed recently from news2) | 03:04 |
| +patspam | http://www.plainblack.com/tbb?func=viewRss | 03:05 |
| +patspam | http://www.plainblack.com/pr/staff/blog?func=viewRss | 03:05 |
| +patspam | http://www.webgui.org/webgui/campaigns/people?func=viewRss | 03:05 |
| @preaction | ah, right, tbb | 03:05 |
| +patspam | and http://perldreamer.com/blog.rss | 03:05 |
| +patspam | koen promised me some dutch blogs too | 03:05 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, tbb is written by some yayhoo named rizen who works on the project every so often | 03:05 |
| @preaction | yeah, Bart, Koen, and I think a couple other people at the WUC expressed interest | 03:06 |
| * patspam shuffles off to his meeting, grumbling | 03:07 | |
| @preaction | chin up! | 03:07 |
| @Haarg | the formatting of those links is very confusing | 03:07 |
| @preaction | yes it is | 03:07 |
| @Haarg | on the planet page i mean | 03:07 |
| +perlDreamer | hang in there, patspam | 03:07 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: you want your blog Filtered, I assume? | 03:07 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 03:08 |
| +perlDreamer | Not until the new RSS feed comes out | 03:08 |
| +perlDreamer | currently, I cannot predict what the feed content will contain | 03:08 |
| +perlDreamer | it's why i've given up on ironman | 03:08 |
| @preaction | is this a WebGUI problem or something? | 03:09 |
| +perlDreamer | with 7.6 | 03:09 |
| +perlDreamer | if it still bothers me in 7.7, I'll fix it | 03:09 |
| @preaction | ah, kay | 03:09 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen and I talked a little about it. | 03:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Seems like the other blogs send the whole content | 03:10 |
| +perlDreamer | not just a snippet of it | 03:10 |
| @preaction | yes | 03:10 |
| +perlDreamer | even in 7.7, RssFeed does not do that | 03:10 |
| @preaction | it's bugging me too, the staff blog does it | 03:11 |
| @rizen | it's not rssfeed | 03:11 |
| @rizen | it's cs passing it to rssfeed | 03:11 |
| +perlDreamer | good point | 03:11 |
| @rizen | how can you beat this: https://www.thegamecrafter.com/shop/game-parts/spacecrafts | 03:11 |
| @rizen | they rule | 03:11 |
| @preaction | when the Blog asset is added, it'll be diffrent | 03:11 |
| +perlDreamer | it's awesome! | 03:12 |
| +perlDreamer | My secret agent has infiltrated a local school and is telling the kids about gamecrafter | 03:12 |
| +perlDreamer | "There's no way you can make a game for $10!!!" | 03:13 |
| +perlDreamer | heh | 03:13 |
| @preaction | excellent! | 03:13 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, preaction. | 03:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I made a thingy | 03:16 |
| +perlDreamer | put a thing in it with 1 field, a textarea | 03:16 |
| +perlDreamer | put stuff in it | 03:16 |
| +perlDreamer | edited it | 03:16 |
| +perlDreamer | edited it again | 03:17 |
| +perlDreamer | and I get out what I put in | 03:17 |
| @preaction | even though what you put in was < | 03:17 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 03:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I put in 2 > 3, 3 < 2 and 1 & 1 | 03:17 |
| @preaction | and how does it look to the end user? like a <? | 03:17 |
| @preaction | when you're just viewing | 03:17 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 03:17 |
| @preaction | ok that's how it should be | 03:18 |
| +perlDreamer | now, how do I convince this user of that? | 03:18 |
| * perlDreamer puts his redneck back on | 03:19 | |
| @preaction | didn't he say he edited the Thingy / TextArea code? | 03:20 |
| @preaction | i'd just say report what you just told me and posit some possibilities of why there's a disparity between your two results | 03:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | done. You're very level-headed preaction | 04:21 |
| @preaction | that's what people tell me | 04:21 |
| @preaction | i just tend to think of it as assuming people are stupid or ignorant, not malicious | 04:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I normally do, too | 04:22 |
| +perlDreamer | but this particular user's persistence in insisting that "WebGUI does not do what I want so it is a bug" | 04:22 |
| +perlDreamer | has be flummoxed | 04:22 |
| @preaction | is it showing up as < in the page, to the user, or is that in the source? | 04:23 |
| @preaction | i.e. the HTML source | 04:23 |
| +perlDreamer | in the source | 04:24 |
| @preaction | okay, yes, that's what it should do | 04:24 |
| @preaction | but that's another point of possible contention | 04:24 |
| +perlDreamer | the funny thing is, he didn't even mention brackets or ampersands this time, it was just newlines and break tags | 04:34 |
| +perlDreamer | but I tried that, too, and it also worked fine | 04:36 |
| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r20bae1e / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Account/Friends.pm): Fix pagination when viewing another user's friends. bug #11076 - http://bit.ly/3wCjZl | 04:41 |
| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4b18675 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Account/Friends.pm): Fix pagination when viewing another user's friends. bug #11076 - http://bit.ly/8L7Fl | 04:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | hey, tavisto! | 05:48 |
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| @preaction | bye tavisto! | 06:03 |
| @preaction | prick :p | 06:03 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: you have to time to talk me though a CSS fix? | 06:35 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: sure, what's up | 06:37 |
| +perlDreamer | this bug: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11067 | 06:37 |
| +perlDreamer | the problem is some HTML that works like this: | 06:37 |
| +perlDreamer | <li><span>label</span>value</li> | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | and the CSS that makes it looked tabular | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | the problem is that if value is empty | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | the LI rolls up, and allows other things to fill in the "row" | 06:38 |
| @preaction | is it floated? | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I believe the SPAN is floated | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | let me pull it up again | 06:38 |
| @preaction | yeah, you just have to make .address { clear: left; } | 06:39 |
| +perlDreamer | .address? | 06:40 |
| @preaction | but really if there's no status message, maybe that field shouldn't display? | 06:40 |
| @preaction | the class, .address | 06:40 |
| @preaction | it's what those payment address and shipping address divs are using | 06:40 |
| +perlDreamer | clear left makes them stack vertically, rather than horizontally | 06:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I had a similar issue with the Matrix, and kludged in a <tmpl_if status><tmpl_var status><tmpl_else> </tmpl_if> | 06:44 |
| +perlDreamer | but it feels kludgy | 06:46 |
| @preaction | oh, right. just the one address div then | 06:47 |
| @preaction | style="clear: left" | 06:47 |
| +perlDreamer | in a way, clear: left is kind of like \n | 06:50 |
| +perlDreamer | for doing layouts? | 06:50 |
| @preaction | only when floats are involved | 06:50 |
| +perlDreamer | is it legal to make a unary div tag like <div class="cleared" /> ? | 06:55 |
| @preaction | no | 06:57 |
| @preaction | you can use clear on a <br/> though | 06:57 |
| * perlDreamer is too lazy | 06:58 | |
| +patspam | here's a typical exchange | 06:59 |
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| +patspam | I've been teaching my housemate webgui | 06:59 |
| +patspam | and today he come through all excited and said he was going to learn more by converting one of his static sites to webgui | 06:59 |
| @preaction | sweet | 07:00 |
| +patspam | he just wanted to know where/how he could set up a simple host | 07:00 |
| +patspam | and I said, yeah umm that's the problem | 07:00 |
| +patspam | you need your own server | 07:00 |
| @preaction | is he willing to write down the things that annoy him about it? | 07:01 |
| @preaction | content management, that is | 07:01 |
| @preaction | we don't have nearly enough "Shut Up And Listen" feedback about Content Management in WebGUI | 07:01 |
| +perlDreamer | is SynQ done yet? | 07:02 |
| +perlDreamer | or, how about SwiftySite? | 07:02 |
| +patspam | SynQ would be the way to go, not sure if it's finished yet though | 07:03 |
| +patspam | because he wants to actually learn webgui | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | could you host him, patspam? | 07:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I mean, for a little while? | 07:04 |
| +patspam | he's in that transition stage where he wants to get practical experience in using it, but doesn't have a real "project" yet that can justify a server | 07:04 |
| +perlDreamer | ah | 07:04 |
| +perlDreamer | longer than a demo site, but less than $$$ | 07:04 |
| +patspam | yeah, and yep I probably will set him up with a server, but I was thinking it's probably a hurdle that plenty of newcomers face | 07:05 |
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| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9b260f2 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix display of a single transaction if there is no status. Fixes bug #11067 - http://bit.ly/Msd2j | 07:08 |
| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5f8b7c9 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix display of a single transaction if there is no status. Fixes bug #11067 - http://bit.ly/gDCPD | 07:08 |
| @rizen | why does he need a server? | 07:09 |
| @rizen | what about our $20/mo hosting plan | 07:09 |
| +perlDreamer | too much commitment at this point, it sounds like | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | $20 is two beers and a pizza | 07:10 |
| @rizen | well then, there's got to be someone cheaper than us in this list: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/hosters | 07:12 |
| +perlDreamer | cybersalad is $10/month | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Aulix is $5/month | 07:16 |
| @rizen | there you go then | 07:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I've seen aulix post on the forums | 07:17 |
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| +patspam | hey cool, I hadn't seen that! | 07:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | how do you debug javascript that throws no errors, and is triggered by events? | 08:01 |
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| +patspam | wgd log: "100% testing coverage of WGDev::Asset".. that is so awesome! | 08:33 |
| +patspam | perlDreamer: use Firebug to put a break into the code that gets triggered? | 08:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I can break that function out (it's inlined anonymously) and try that | 08:34 |
| +perlDreamer | but I think the problem is deeper | 08:34 |
| +perlDreamer | I put an alert in the function, and it shows | 08:34 |
| +perlDreamer | but the menu never pops up | 08:34 |
| +perlDreamer | what is wgd log? | 08:35 |
| +perlDreamer | is my WGDev out of date already? | 08:35 |
| +patspam | hah no | 08:35 |
| +patspam | but we should have a log command! | 08:35 |
| +patspam | i was just reading the commit log | 08:36 |
| +patspam | perlDreamer: now it's out of date! | 08:40 |
| +patspam | or it will be.. once haarg pulls from my mail branch | 08:40 |
| +perlDreamer | mail branch? | 08:40 |
| +perlDreamer | wgd mail? | 08:40 |
| +patspam | hai | 08:41 |
| +patspam | for sending via WebGUI::Mail, listing queue, triggering queue workflow | 08:42 |
| +perlDreamer | nice | 08:42 |
| +patspam | takes a small amount of the pain out of debugging mail problems | 08:42 |
| +patspam | now i have to backtrack and figure out what i was working on when i decided i needed more wgd-mail options | 08:43 |
| +perlDreamer | were you packing? | 08:49 |
| +patspam | hehe | 08:55 |
| +patspam | these books won't fix into this box.. what I really need is a wgd plugin that will do it for me | 08:55 |
| +perlDreamer | wgd pack --mode=[templates,javascript,css,belongings] | 09:01 |
| +perlDreamer | 'night, patspam | 09:10 |
| +patspam | g;night perlDreamer! | 09:10 |
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| +patspam | ryuu_ro: how did you go with Padre? | 11:00 |
| +patspam | manage to get it installed on OSX? | 11:01 |
| ryuu_ro | yep sure did, I made a little mistake but it's all fixed now | 11:02 |
| +patspam | yay! | 11:03 |
| +patspam | got Padre::Plugin::WebGUI running too? | 11:03 |
| ryuu_ro | Yep, but I didn't have time to really check it out | 11:04 |
| ryuu_ro | server problems :( | 11:04 |
| +patspam | ah, probably need to install the Padre content handler | 11:04 |
| ryuu_ro | ow no, it's not that it's a client server | 11:04 |
| +patspam | ahhh i see :) | 11:05 |
| ryuu_ro | weird problem loading a huge xml file | 11:05 |
| ryuu_ro | i'm going on a vacation in a couple of days so I hope to have some time then to play around with padre and the webgui plugin | 11:06 |
| +bartjol | ryuu_ro likes uploading large files | 11:15 |
| ryuu_ro | yep that's kind of my thing you know ;) | 11:16 |
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| +danny_mk | Is the http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs app available as a package anywhere? | 17:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'd like some advice: I'm working on graphing modules and each of these has a *lot* of properties that can be set. Right now, I'm using a system loosely based on the WebGUI definition subs: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d443a089b | 17:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | Here the keys are the properties and the values the defaults | 17:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | However... | 17:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | there's a lot of stuff that's usually the same. Eg all the fonts | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | Now I'd like to somehow let a number of proiperties all default to another | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | like this: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m1379d1fd | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | So now there's an prop called defaultFont that a user should set to update all it's different fonts | 17:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | SImilarly I'd like to do something like this to fontsizes as well, and let those default to values based on the size op the chart or whatever | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | any ideas on how to change/implement a system like that | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | Oh | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | as you can see the definition in sub classes can override the properties defined in their superclasses | 17:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that is something I'd like to keep | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | any ideas? | 17:32 |
| daviddelikat | is there a guru in the house? | 17:34 |
| daviddelikat | preaction: ping | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | that depends on what you need o know | 17:35 |
| daviddelikat | I found something I'm not sure I understand in a WG module | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok, shoot | 17:35 |
| daviddelikat | in WG::Session::Errorhander there is a line: | 17:36 |
| daviddelikat | last WEBGUI_FATAL | 17:36 |
| daviddelikat | but there is no label WEBGUI_FATAL anywhere in the module | 17:36 |
| daviddelikat | I think this is a problem | 17:36 |
| daviddelikat | but I'm not sure | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm not entirely sure | 17:37 |
| daviddelikat | perhaps it is intended to crash if it reaches that point | 17:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but what I think it does is end the loop in WebGUI::URL::Content | 17:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | when you call fatal, it will stop further execution of all webgui code. | 17:38 |
| daviddelikat | so its probably intended to crash | 17:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | It doesn't crash | 17:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | it stops | 17:40 |
| daviddelikat | if they called 'die' or 'exit' it could get caught somewhere | 17:40 |
| daviddelikat | crash is what happens when the interpretor stops because it can't handle something | 17:40 |
| daviddelikat | so yes it stops | 17:41 |
| +bartjol | and WG::Session::Errorhander will be removed | 17:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | and so will the fatal method | 17:41 |
| daviddelikat | why will it be removed? | 17:41 |
| +bartjol | session::Log will be the replacement | 17:41 |
| +bartjol | not sure why, allthough that fatal stuff was part of the reason | 17:42 |
| daviddelikat | so we're talking about a design change... | 17:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | Yes, but that's for WG8 | 17:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | where there will be a lot of api changes | 17:43 |
| daviddelikat | thanks, my question is answered... | 17:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | See the roadmap for what's scheduled | 17:43 |
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| +MrHairgrease | http://www.webgui.org/webgui/roadmap | 17:43 |
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| +MrHairgrease | howdy pd | 19:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | could you perhaps help out and think along | 19:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | ? | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Heya, MrHairgrease. | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | what are we thinking along about today? | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | then I have one fire back at ya | 19:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d6f0018ea | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | ...reading... | 19:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | oki | 19:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | so right now, I don't see how the child can override, or inherit, options from the parent | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | seems like you need to call the parent first, and then define the child's properties | 19:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | return { %{ $self->SUPER::definition }, %options }; | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, flattening | 19:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | that does work | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | then, call SUPER first, get data from Daddy that you want, then flatten and return | 19:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | I just want to be able to somehow handle defaults that depend on other proerties | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | what do you think? | 19:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | so if someone would do $axis->set( defaultFont => 'ooglyboogly' ) | 19:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | than | 19:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | $axis->get( 'labelFont' ) should return ooglyboogly as well | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a different problem from definition | 19:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | unless they first did an explicit $axis->set( labelFont => 'zappo' ) | 19:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | nope | 19:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | b/c definition defines the properties that are settable and their defaults | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | right, but not their relationships | 19:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | indeed | 19:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | also for instance I'd like pointSizes to depend on whatever some width is after some processing | 19:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | So what I though that might work, is something like this | 19:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | ... hang on ... | 19:15 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6a754ff / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/assetManager/assetManager.js : Fix bad AssetManager i18n for unlocked. - http://bit.ly/70IJw | 19:17 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r963b60f / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/assetManager/assetManager.js : Fix bad AssetManager i18n for unlocked. - http://bit.ly/aZn04 | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, I can't make heads or tails about why the More menu is broken in the AssetManager | 19:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d2fb3a746 | 19:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | Then get could check if the default is a code ref and execute that if necesarry | 19:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | however | 19:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | I don't think that solution is very 'nice' | 19:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | or elegant | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | no, and you can't override the defaults, either | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | that one only defines the relationships | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | however, maybe your setter will fix that problem | 19:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | Why couldn't I override the defaults? | 19:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh wait I made a typo | 19:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d12d52f49 | 19:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's better | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | that is better, no infinite loops | 19:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | hehe | 19:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | indeed | 19:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | you're right. If you set a value explicitly, that key's value won't hold a subref anymore | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | and you plan to have the "getter" be smart, and check to see if it's a subref or a scalar and then do the right thing? | 19:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | yup | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | it will enforce good encapsulation that way :) | 19:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | It just seems that that should be a less convoluted way of doing these things, but I can't figure that out | 19:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | anyway, I'm heading for home | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | l8r | 19:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | see you | 19:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and if you have some epiphany, be sure to let me know | 19:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | i will think on it | 19:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | oki | 19:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | bye | 19:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | SyQ: what's up with WebGUI Starter? | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | Last night we found another $5 US Webgui hoster | 19:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | the wrath of koen shirts should have been glow in the dark | 19:32 |
| ekennedy | Last night I was trying to enable encrypted logins on a 7.6.35 site. The option did not appear on the User tab of Settings panel. In looking at the code and default config file it looks like there is a config variable sslEnabled that controls whether or not the option is presented. I added that to my config and set it to 1 but I still don't see the option on the screen. I had to set encryptLogin in the DB to turn it on. Anyone el | 19:33 |
| +perlDreamer | ekennedy, your post got clipped | 19:35 |
| ekennedy | Trying again: Last night I was trying to enable encrypted logins on a 7.6.35 site. The option did not appear on the User tab of Settings panel. | 19:35 |
| ekennedy | In looking at the code and default config file it looks like there is a config variable sslEnabled that controls whether or not the option is presented. | 19:36 |
| ekennedy | I added that to my config and set it to 1 but I still don't see the option on the screen. I had to set encryptLogin in the DB to turn it on. Anyone else seeing (or not seeing) the same thing? | 19:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | if it isn't set in the config file, it won't show up in the UI for settings | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | so first you have to have sslEnabled, then you can turn it on there, as well | 19:39 |
| ekennedy | Right but after adding it to the config it still didn't show in the UI. Can you confirm that it works in your install? | 19:39 |
| @rizen | ekennedy: don't forget to restart to make config file changes take effect | 19:39 |
| @rizen | restart modperl | 19:39 |
| ekennedy | Thanks. Did that two. Twice. | 19:40 |
| ekennedy | too | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | ekennedy, I'll give it a shot | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | Okay, with sslEnabled in the config=1, in the User tab of Settings I'm seeing Encrypt Login? | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | between "Allow users to deactivate their account?" and "Enable passive profiling?" | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | so it is working for me | 19:43 |
| ekennedy | Thanks. I just went back and looked again and I am now too. Must have been hallucinating. | 19:43 |
| +perlDreamer | there are still client side caching issues with WebGUI, especially on Firefox | 19:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I installed a plugin for Firefox that puts a Clear Cache button on the toolbar | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | very handy | 19:44 |
| ekennedy | That might be it. Thanks. | 19:44 |
| ekennedy | Not exactly hallucinating. One site was working and one wasn't. | 19:52 |
| ekennedy | Site that was working was an imported site based on an old config so I needed to add sslEnabled to its config. | 19:52 |
| ekennedy | The other site was created from the wre and I thought I checked for an existing sslEnabled but must not have. Added mine at the top but it was overridden by the default entry later in the file. Thanks for the help. | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | you're welcome | 20:03 |
| daviddelikat | Haarg: I have a git question | 20:12 |
| @Haarg | sure | 20:12 |
| daviddelikat | I want to clone the wg repo in my github account | 20:13 |
| daviddelikat | and connect my local ( development ) repo to my clone | 20:13 |
| daviddelikat | can I do this without having to re-make my local repo? | 20:13 |
| @Haarg | so you have a fork on github? | 20:13 |
| daviddelikat | not yet | 20:13 |
| @Haarg | well, start by creating one | 20:14 |
| @Haarg | then add it as a remote | 20:14 |
| daviddelikat | ok | 20:14 |
| @Haarg | then you can set it as the default place to push to if you want | 20:14 |
| @Haarg | for existing branches that is | 20:14 |
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| daviddelikat | so once i create the repo, what do i do to fork WG? | 20:17 |
| @Haarg | http://github.com/plainblack/webgui just go here and click the fork button | 20:26 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, i'm thinking of setting up automatic commenting and resolving of tickets based on commits | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds good | 20:30 |
| +perlDreamer | less work | 20:30 |
| @Haarg | the question is when it should assume the issue is fixed | 20:30 |
| @Haarg | when there is a commit to master? | 20:30 |
| @Haarg | it should be possible to have it post as the person who committed as well. will probably have to fall back on admin. | 20:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, it's possible for bugs to be only in 1 branch | 20:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I thought it could look at the commit message for bug# \d+, and that would help it find which bug. | 22:05 |
| @Haarg | yeah, that's the idea | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | then, from the diff in the changelog, it would know which version it was attached to | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | since there's a commit for each branch, then it should process them both | 22:06 |
| @Haarg | well, it would know which branch it was on so it wouldn't need to look in the changelog | 22:06 |
| @Haarg | the issue is more, when is a bug considered fixed? when it has been fixed in master? when it is fixed in both branches? | 22:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think there's anyway to know programmatically | 22:07 |
| +perlDreamer | bugs aren't always forward/backported at the same time | 22:07 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we still need a manual step to resolve | 22:07 |
| +perlDreamer | but then the onus of documenting it would be done | 22:08 |
| +perlDreamer | and we could just hit the resolve button and be done | 22:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I fixed the form plugin, but broke the Thingy | 22:08 |
| +perlDreamer | for date handling | 22:20 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r28169cb / (lib/WebGUI/DateTime.pm t/DateTime.t): undef and empty string default to now for WebGUI::DateTime construction. - http://bit.ly/gTbww | 23:06 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * receeff4 / (lib/WebGUI/DateTime.pm t/DateTime.t): undef and empty string default to now for WebGUI::DateTime construction. - http://bit.ly/1YjCq0 | 23:06 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rafc585a / (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.t): Fix bugs in how Thingy handles displaying dates to the user in view and search modes. - http://bit.ly/1dh2bY | 23:06 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r536ac6c / (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.t): Fix bugs in how Thingy handles displaying dates to the user in view and search modes. - http://bit.ly/2WS8mh | 23:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | hey! | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Am I picking up kids today, dreamersgirl? | 23:16 |
| dreamersgirl | I'm in class until 4. | 23:18 |
| dreamersgirl | So, yes, please. | 23:18 |
| dreamersgirl | I should be home in time tomorrow, but not today. | 23:18 |
| +perlDreamer | the milk was cold by the time I got to it | 23:19 |
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| dreamersgirl | I'm sorry. :( | 23:26 |
| @preaction | YOU BETTER BE | 23:26 |
| * perlDreamer kindly asks preaction not to yell at dreamersgirl | 23:28 | |
| +perlDreamer | because you don't want to see her mad | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | trust me on this one | 23:28 |
| @preaction | Would I like her when she's angry? | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | Oh no. | 23:28 |
| dreamersgirl | just ask Tim.... | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | well, in all fairness, he asked for it | 23:31 |
| dreamersgirl | that's true | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | one does not practice bad bodily fluid containment in a house where there's a nurse in training | 23:32 |
| @preaction | i was under the impression that one did not practice bad bodily fluid containment in any house ;) | 23:32 |
| @preaction | at least, without cleaning it up oneself | 23:33 |
| dreamersgirl | The professor is talking about excretion right now. | 23:33 |
| dreamersgirl | Oop. Now she's moving on to buffers and acids and bases. | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | pay attention, there. It will be on the test | 23:34 |
| dreamersgirl | I am. | 23:41 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9b76e0e / (lib/WebGUI/Form/Date.pm t/Form/Date.t): Date form plugin should display dates in user's format when passed an epoch. - http://bit.ly/mOQEz | 23:47 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r6eedb08 / (lib/WebGUI/Form/Date.pm t/Form/Date.t): Date form plugin should display dates in user's format when passed an epoch. - http://bit.ly/v05so | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | that should be the end of the great date format fiasco of 2008 | 23:47 |
| @preaction | well that sucks, because it's 2009 now | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, but it doesn't rhyme :/ | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I have to admin, it would be nice if wG accepted dates in the user's format | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | but it's going to be 1 gnarly RFE | 23:48 |
| @preaction | the greate big time format fiasco of 2009 | 23:48 |
| @preaction | yeah, date formatting is worse than timezones | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | i spent another couple of hours trying to debug the AssetManager menu bug last night | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | not getting anywhere with it | 23:49 |
| @preaction | i'll try to take a look tonight if possible | 23:50 |
| @preaction | i've got to write a chapter for the shop guide before kristi finds out where i live | 23:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll try not to alter the Shop anymore, until you get the chapter finished | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I did end up going with a slightly different solution to that transaction bug, though | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I added another, empty div below the list with a clear: left in it | 23:51 |
| @preaction | eh, it's the tax drivers chapter, so not much there you can alter really | 23:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | yay! New templates from the Template Working Group | 23:52 |
| @preaction | sweet | 23:52 |
| @preaction | wait, are we putting them in 7.7 or 7.8 now? | 23:52 |
| * perlDreamer thinks they're bug fixes | 23:53 | |
| +perlDreamer | so both | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | there wasn't a paginated article template | 23:53 |
| @preaction | i will agree | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | and we lost the 3 column template | 23:53 |
| * perlDreamer heads off to get kiddos | 23:56 | |
| +perlDreamer | bbiaw | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | TWG is asking for guidance on how to ship templates for upgrades | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | please ponder that, preaction | 23:57 |
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| @preaction | there has to be a ticket somewhere, or else it won't get done. so sounds like: Make a bug report, attach the wgpkg, and then we can add the package, run the tests, and commit | 23:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | How about handling multiple, disperse templates? | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | should they make a temporary folder for them and export all at once? | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | or 1 package per folder/template? | 00:32 |
| @preaction | i'd say one package per folder/template would be best for organizational purposes | 00:33 |
| @preaction | in theory though we could make the upgrade script automatically put templates into an "ASSET" folder based on the template's namespace | 00:34 |
| @preaction | but that's work | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | we have enough bugs to fix without making more work right now | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like an RFE | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | that's odd. Closed tickets are showing up in the bug board | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: I could use a second opinion on this: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11082 | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think it's a bug | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Admin has always been in the Visitor's group | 01:26 |
| @preaction | i don't think it's a bug either | 01:26 |
| @preaction | Admin is special, it's in all groups | 01:27 |
| @preaction | if you don't want it to show up to people, don't add them to Admins, add them to Turn Admin On or Content Managers or something | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | next one, Prop Style: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11081 | 01:28 |
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| @preaction | it's part of the 7.7.0 upgrade for some reason | 01:29 |
| @preaction | and it's not supposed to be in there. Oklahoma's Premiere Legal, Accounting, Human Resources, Marketing & Tax firm | 01:30 |
| @preaction | it can be deleted | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | it will be nukified | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | and we shall punish perlmonkey2 accordingly | 01:31 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rad702e9 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Remove a folder that crept into the import node. Fixes bug #11081 - http://bit.ly/4KHWI | 01:37 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb7353e0 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Remove a folder that crept into the import node. Fixes bug #11081 - http://bit.ly/43YshD | 01:37 |
| @Haarg | that will be fun for whoever's site that is actually for | 01:38 |
| @preaction | eh, what can we do about it? | 01:39 |
| @preaction | next time don't screw up my import node, that's all i can say :p | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, what's a better solution? | 01:42 |
| @Haarg | can't think of one | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I could scan their site and see if it's not used, and then purge it. | 01:42 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: it was never used. | 01:50 |
| +perlmonkey2 | no idea how it got there. | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | then we'll just leave it as nuked | 01:50 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I was seeing how hard it would be to replace her website. No blinking idea how it got into wG. | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | looks like it was part of a survey package in 7.7.0 | 01:51 |
| +perlmonkey2 | But obviously I was on my development branch when I thought I was on a toy branch. | 01:51 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: consider me properly punished. Bad case of poison ivy all over the front of my throat. Looks like a leave got under the neck of a t-shirt. | 02:00 |
| +perlmonkey2 | leaf | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | oh no | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | that's too much punishment | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: I keep thinking about you when I go to the zoo | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | They have a 1/8th scale railroad | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | with both diesel and steam engines running on it | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it would be awesome to build one | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | but I'd need to learn how to weld (well) first | 02:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | nice tabs, patspam | 02:53 |
| +patspam | heh sounds like a pick-up line | 02:54 |
| * perlDreamer isn't going there | 02:56 | |
| +perlDreamer | I'm also starting to think that I need a different blog to participate in ironman | 02:56 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: i'm using multiple collaboration systems on my site for different "topics", then combining them with a SC asset | 03:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I think all I really need to do is use a different RSS template, where ALL the content is put into the feed. | 03:00 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r4c2eab9 / (4 files in 2 dirs): Add article with pagination, and 3 column layout templates. Fixes bug #11083 - http://bit.ly/1XKIx | 03:08 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra11a113 / (6 files in 2 dirs): Move packages to the correct directory - http://bit.ly/14RwJV | 03:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | tavisto, are you flooded with orders? | 03:22 |
| @tavisto | we're averaging about 6 a day now | 03:23 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | 6 orders for hosting/design/development? That's a crap load of work. | 03:38 |
| @preaction | no, our side-project The Game Crafter: http://thegamecrafter.com | 03:39 |
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| @tavisto | 297.. | 03:58 |
| +perlDreamer | dinner time for the dreamer family | 04:08 |
| +perlDreamer | bbl | 04:08 |
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| +cap10morgan | any idea why I'm getting this error when upgrading from 7.6.35 to 7.7.21 (this is at the 7.7.19 -> 7.7.20 step): http://pastebin.com/d101c5d4f | 05:08 |
| @preaction | cap10morgan: because one of your assets is corrupted (doesn't exist in the asset table, but exists in one of the other tables) | 05:10 |
| @preaction | the upgrade contains an update to that asset (so probably a template) | 05:10 |
| +cap10morgan | hmm... i see | 05:11 |
| +cap10morgan | is there a good way to test for or fix that w/ a built-in script? maybe rebuildLineage? | 05:12 |
| @preaction | no | 05:12 |
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| @preaction | well, you could scan all assets, and i think there is a t/asset_diagnose.t for that | 05:12 |
| +cap10morgan | i see | 05:13 |
| +cap10morgan | hmm... asset diagnose finds a couple of errors in some custom assets, no templates though | 05:19 |
| +cap10morgan | no way the upgrade would have updates for custom assets, though | 05:20 |
| +perlDreamer | is there an entry in he asset table for the asset? | 05:23 |
| +perlDreamer | that would give you the class name | 05:23 |
| +cap10morgan | yeah, i don't see any missing assetId's | 05:23 |
| +cap10morgan | compared to the other tables | 05:24 |
| +perlDreamer | it wouldn't have a missing assetId, it doesn't have an entry in every required table | 05:24 |
| +cap10morgan | right, that's what i mean | 05:24 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 05:24 |
| +cap10morgan | i did a left join to see if any were missing | 05:24 |
| +cap10morgan | compared to the asset table | 05:24 |
| +cap10morgan | ok, i think that query didn't do what i expected somehow | 05:36 |
| +cap10morgan | because there actually is one in the other table that's not in the asset table | 05:36 |
| +cap10morgan | oh i see, it was the other way around | 05:41 |
| +cap10morgan | in the asset table, but missing from the other table | 05:41 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, what's the class of that asset? | 05:41 |
| +cap10morgan | one is WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Action and the other is WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::AssetReport | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | which part of the upgrade is triggering on that? | 05:56 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, probably packed head tags | 05:57 |
| +cap10morgan | trying to import the storymanager package | 05:57 |
| +cap10morgan | in 7.7.19 -> 7.7.20 | 05:57 |
| +perlDreamer | what?!!??! | 05:57 |
| +cap10morgan | yeah, i don't get it | 05:57 |
| +cap10morgan | so, i have no evidence these things are related | 05:57 |
| +cap10morgan | but i get that pastebin error during the upgrade | 05:57 |
| +cap10morgan | and then i found these asset_diagnose errors | 05:58 |
| +perlDreamer | duplicate entry... | 05:58 |
| +perlDreamer | can you look in the backup and see if this is an actual assetId clash? | 05:58 |
| +perlDreamer | it is theoretically possible | 05:58 |
| +perlDreamer | note, I have Daddy duty for the next half hour, so, cap10morgan, preaction, I'll return later tonight | 05:59 |
| @preaction | k, have fun | 05:59 |
| +cap10morgan | ok | 06:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | f00li5h, you don't have a hire-me suffix right now. Did you find a job? | 06:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | hey, somebody give the lady an IRC channel voice, now that she's PBWG | 06:22 |
| @preaction | done | 06:22 |
| elnino | what? | 06:22 |
| f00li5h | perlDreamer: that I did | 06:22 |
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| +elnino | what does that mean?!? | 06:23 |
| +perlDreamer | in this channel, it means you are a respected member of the community | 06:23 |
| +elnino | oi | 06:23 |
| f00li5h | ah, +v in a -m channel ;) | 06:23 |
| +perlDreamer | now you've really stuck your foot in it | 06:23 |
| +elnino | I guess. | 06:23 |
| @preaction | yeah, we tried the -o-v thing, but that didn't much take here | 06:24 |
| f00li5h | yeah, chanserv is pesky like that ... | 06:24 |
| f00li5h | troll joins and rants for an hour while you wait for your +o :( | 06:24 |
| f00li5h | speaking of which, i'm of to ##php to rub some critters the wrong way | 06:25 |
| * perlDreamer hands f00li5h a wire brush, and smiles | 06:26 | |
| +elnino | ok... what would cause one dataform not to display a captcha image and the others to work fine? weird | 06:37 |
| +perlDreamer | upload permission problems? | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | client/server side caching? | 06:38 |
| +elnino | but the other data forms work. | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | is this reCAPTCHA, or WebGUI captcha? | 06:38 |
| +elnino | hm | 06:38 |
| +elnino | um | 06:38 |
| +elnino | I don't know. | 06:39 |
| +perlDreamer | check the settings. If you don't know, it's probably WebGUI CAPTCHA | 06:40 |
| @preaction | does it have a grey background and black text? or a white background and black text/ | 06:40 |
| +elnino | I don't have options for different captchas. 7.6 | 06:40 |
| @preaction | grey background is WebGUI, white is reCAPTCHA | 06:40 |
| +elnino | grey | 06:40 |
| @preaction | oh, then webgui | 06:40 |
| @preaction | could be: template isn't correct, user isn't visitor | 06:41 |
| +elnino | the image path is there, but when I look in the data/domains/up... dir, it's not there. | 06:41 |
| +elnino | I'm a visitor - not logged in | 06:41 |
| +elnino | in IE6 - it works. =) | 06:41 |
| +elnino | must be something I did in FF3 | 06:42 |
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| +elnino | preaction - it was cached - probably from my last visit. EVEN though, I set FF to not cache - ooh that erks me. | 06:48 |
| +elnino | what don't they understand when I set offline storage to 0Mb? | 06:49 |
| +elnino | or is there another setting, I wonder. | 06:49 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, I installed this plugin: http://clearcachebutton.mozdev.org/ | 06:49 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a life saver | 06:49 |
| +perlDreamer | puts a button on the toolbar to clear your cache right now | 06:49 |
| +elnino | nice. Thx! | 06:50 |
| +perlDreamer | Okay, I wrote a short blog post about it | 07:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Now the whole WebGUI world will know | 07:04 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, you know about Planet WebGUI? | 07:04 |
| +perlDreamer | www.webgui.org/planet | 07:05 |
| +perlDreamer | they're aggregating webgui blogs there | 07:05 |
| +elnino | I do now.=) | 07:05 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, t/Asset/Template/packed.t sets EVERY template in all of WebGUI to the same thing, and then does the same thing to it? | 07:10 |
| @preaction | no, it adds something to the end of every template in webgui | 07:12 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, I see | 07:13 |
| @preaction | at first glance i said that myself | 07:13 |
| +elnino | perlDreamer, so how is that office coming? | 07:13 |
| +perlDreamer | it's all done except for the window | 07:13 |
| +perlDreamer | the one that looks out into the garage | 07:13 |
| +elnino | are your house projects like our house projects where you have to redo them several times? | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | for the most part no, they just take a long time to do | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | and I've learned to never start a new plumbing project on Sunday | 07:17 |
| +perlDreamer | although, nowadays, any day could be Sunday, so I guess it doesn't matter | 07:17 |
| +elnino | we have acouple of perfectionists over here, along with strict city codes, and picky inspectors... | 07:18 |
| +elnino | who apparantly do not like DIYers | 07:18 |
| @preaction | of course not, because real contractors line their pockets | 07:19 |
| +elnino | .. they're doing their job tho. | 07:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I had an inspector who came to check the new circuit box out in the garage | 07:19 |
| +perlDreamer | he didn't even open it | 07:20 |
| @preaction | i'm not begrudging them their livelihood, an improperly-wired outlet that takes out a city block is a hazard to us all | 07:20 |
| +perlDreamer | it could have been full of peanut butter | 07:20 |
| @preaction | heh | 07:20 |
| @preaction | but there is such a thing as being too strict on the rules | 07:20 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, one other test change. We're trying to get rid of all END blocks that we can | 07:20 |
| @preaction | "that receptacle is 1" too close to the doorway" | 07:20 |
| +perlDreamer | once they're all gone, we can try to use Test::Aggregate to reduce test time by using a single perl interpreter | 07:21 |
| @preaction | my main problem with POD.t right now is that it's failing because i added some custom code w/o POD | 07:21 |
| @preaction | that's why i think it should be a CODE_COP test, because it's only really for the core | 07:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I just can't wrap my head around that | 07:24 |
| +perlDreamer | wrote code without POD? | 07:24 |
| +perlDreamer | that's like saying, wrote code without tests | 07:24 |
| +perlDreamer | speaking of which, it's time to try and fix the Pod::Coverage bug so we can move to the next level of POD in WebGUI | 07:25 |
| @preaction | it doesn't have tests either. it's like the simplest, working, useful TaxDriver that exists | 07:26 |
| @preaction | for the Shop guide | 07:26 |
| +perlDreamer | ah | 07:26 |
| +elnino | perlDreamer, what version is your site running? | 07:28 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.6.22 | 07:28 |
| +perlDreamer | it will be upgraded to 7.7 in a little while | 07:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I went back and read the post about why WebGUI doesn't have 100% POD coverage | 07:33 |
| +perlDreamer | "I've submitted a bug report with failing tests to Richard Clamp on RT and am hand verifying the Asset classes. I'm hoping for a quick release of a bug fix, or at least some chastisement for bad module and package organization." | 07:33 |
| +perlDreamer | that was in April | 07:33 |
| @preaction | it's the mixin thing we do for Asset, right? | 07:35 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 07:39 |
| +elnino | umm. how do I run a test? | 07:39 |
| +perlDreamer | I have a workaround, using Class::C3, but it seems overkill to change it for pod coverage | 07:39 |
| +perlDreamer | env WEBGUI_CONFIG=/data/WebGUI/etc/notAProductionSite.conf perl t/someTestName.t | 07:40 |
| +perlDreamer | or, use sbin/testEnvironment.pl | 07:40 |
| +perlDreamer | or use wgd test | 07:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I could whitelist them all | 07:41 |
| +perlDreamer | but that's icky, too | 07:41 |
| +elnino | mm. testEnvironment just checks to see if perl mods are installed. and where woudl I find wgd? (I don't have notAProductionSite.conf) | 07:44 |
| +elnino | or, is there a primer on this ? | 07:45 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r8eaaecf / t/Asset/Template/packed.t : Packed template tests are CODE_COP tests - http://bit.ly/xUdTz | 07:48 |
| +perlDreamer | wgd is Haarg's WebGUI development tool | 07:49 |
| +perlDreamer | I meant sbin/testCodebase.pl | 07:50 |
| +perlDreamer | and notAProductionSite.conf is just any config file that does not point to a production site | 07:50 |
| +perlDreamer | because the tests are semi-destructive | 07:50 |
| +elnino | Ok. I just found this: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/developers-guide-to-testing-in-webgui Thanks! | 07:57 |
| +elnino | but now I'm going to get sleep. nite | 07:58 |
| +perlDreamer | good night | 07:59 |
| +elnino | mm. | 07:59 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: I backported the CODE_COP/Template/packer.t change to 7.7 | 07:59 |
| +elnino | http://www.webgui.org/develop/wiki/development-best-practices has a bad link to POD Doc, I was going to fix it, but it's not a hyperlink... | 07:59 |
| +elnino | in the edit view. | 08:00 |
| +elnino | how do I fix it? | 08:00 |
| +perlDreamer | where's the POD doc? | 08:00 |
| +elnino | just a sec, got distracted | 08:02 |
| +elnino | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/plain-old-documentation-pod | 08:02 |
| @preaction | thanks, perlDreamer | 08:02 |
| +perlDreamer | we need to change the URL in the wiki page from develop/wiki/community-wiki/ to just community-wiki/ | 08:04 |
| +elnino | I'm unable to. | 08:04 |
| +elnino | even tho I can "edit" it. | 08:04 |
| +elnino | it's like the link is auto created | 08:05 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 08:06 |
| +perlDreamer | it's broken from the wiki separation | 08:06 |
| +elnino | do you want a bug report? | 08:06 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, filed against webgui.org | 08:06 |
| +perlDreamer | well.... | 08:07 |
| +perlDreamer | grrr | 08:07 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, against webgui.org | 08:07 |
| +perlDreamer | although they'll probably refile against the core | 08:08 |
| +elnino | ok. NOW good nite | 08:09 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: Patrick Donelan padre * r2bd353b / lib/WebGUI/Content/Padre.pm : Changed to support Padre::Plugin::WebGUI 0.03 - http://bit.ly/aAzDS | 08:31 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r8f7d016 / t/Asset/Template/packed.t : fix skip_all in packed test - http://bit.ly/Zxjw3 | 09:04 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r5c03cfb / (4 files in 3 dirs): fixed #10544: Child assets under uncommitted parents - http://bit.ly/Ugg67 | 09:04 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * rbf4c5eb / t/Asset/Template/packed.t : fix skip_all in packed test - http://bit.ly/qYl6t | 09:08 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * rc975729 / (4 files in 3 dirs): fixed #10544: Child assets under uncommitted parents - http://bit.ly/1rpKHd | 09:08 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: hao master * r7a439fd / (2 files in 2 dirs): | 14:53 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Fixed failure in test 250 of t/00_compile.t. | 14:53 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: not ok 250 - WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.pm compiles without warnings | 14:53 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: @ Failed test 'WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.pm compiles without warnings' | 14:53 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: @ at 00_compile.t line 52. | 14:53 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: @ got: 'Argument "." isn't numeric in numeric eq (==) at /Users/hao/Dropbox/PB/wg/webgui/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.pm line 383.' | 14:53 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: @ expected: '' - http://bit.ly/2AwYsB | 14:53 |
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| +BartJol | preaction: I pushed some files to github, but am not sure whether someone can mange to merge those, since it are just the files and they are based on 7.7.19 | 17:14 |
| +BartJol | you think that is a problem | 17:14 |
| +BartJol | had some fight with my first git usage | 17:15 |
| +BartJol | Rory is laughing at me because of that | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | Not only Rory... | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 17:16 |
| +BartJol | he, but in the end I managed something | 17:16 |
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| carogray | good morning, goodday | 17:32 |
| +BartJol | hi | 17:32 |
| carogray | getting ready to tackle a problem Steve Swanson showed me at the conference, using template toolkit | 17:32 |
| carogray | in preparation I wanted to quickly load a bunch of images from the website I hope to fix into the demo | 17:33 |
| +BartJol | ah | 17:33 |
| carogray | I thought I could make th e images folder a package | 17:33 |
| carogray | export it from website and import it into demo | 17:33 |
| +BartJol | you should afaik | 17:33 |
| carogray | is this possible | 17:33 |
| carogray | hmm | 17:33 |
| carogray | it failed - | 17:33 |
| carogray | both are now on 7.7.21 | 17:33 |
| carogray | dog whining - hang on a sec | 17:34 |
| +BartJol | did it import anything? | 17:34 |
| carogray | no | 17:35 |
| +BartJol | ah that is strange | 17:35 |
| carogray | I got a message about the package might be corrupted | 17:35 |
| carogray | "Unable to extract package! The package may be corrupt, or there may be a server error preventing packages from being imported." | 17:35 |
| carogray | perhaps demo.webgui.org won't allow imports? | 17:35 |
| +BartJol | can imagine that | 17:36 |
| carogray | ok..just thought I would ask | 17:37 |
| +BartJol | do you have a package available | 17:37 |
| carogray | yep | 17:37 |
| +BartJol | I can import it on my site | 17:37 |
| +BartJol | or try to | 17:37 |
| carogray | to see if it is corrupted? | 17:37 |
| +BartJol | yes | 17:37 |
| carogray | how do I get it to you? | 17:37 |
| carogray | attachment to email | 17:37 |
| carogray | ? | 17:38 |
| carogray | file thing didn't work the other day on this chat | 17:38 |
| +BartJol | well, if it import, the chance that demo does not allow packages is bigger | 17:38 |
| carogray | right | 17:38 |
| +BartJol | well, depends on the size | 17:38 |
| +BartJol | or I fix you an account | 17:38 |
| +BartJol | is easier | 17:38 |
| carogray | ok that would be terrific | 17:39 |
| carogray | do packages ususally have .gz at the and? | 17:39 |
| carogray | at the end? | 17:39 |
| carogray | I do not remember seeing that before | 17:39 |
| +BartJol | no | 17:40 |
| +BartJol | that is a zipped file | 17:40 |
| +BartJol | wgpkg | 17:40 |
| +BartJol | that should be the extension | 17:40 |
| carogray | right that's what the site produced... | 17:41 |
| carogray | I think.. | 17:41 |
| carogray | wgpkg should be the extension, right without the .gz at the end | 17:41 |
| carogray | I have just started using Google Chrome for browser, Chrome would not have added the .gz extension would it | 17:41 |
| +BartJol | yes | 17:42 |
| +BartJol | well | 17:42 |
| +BartJol | strange | 17:42 |
| +BartJol | you are a package manger, hopefully that is enough | 17:42 |
| carogray | turns out your advice to upgrade to Google 3.5 was only part of the problem the other day, apparently there was some javascript in 7.7.20 that was causing all those problems. | 17:42 |
| +BartJol | ff 3.5 | 17:43 |
| carogray | let me export the package again, to see if it will work without adding the extension... | 17:43 |
| +BartJol | ah | 17:43 |
| +BartJol | well, go ahead | 17:43 |
| carogray | what about... I didn't commit the version tag when I made it a package. I exported without committing change, could that have made a difference, like a "temporary package" | 17:45 |
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| +BartJol | carogray: eeeh, I had a client on the phone | 18:20 |
| +BartJol | so it worked out? | 18:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | good morning, WebGUI people | 18:28 |
| +BartJol | morning | 18:28 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: do you think you can make something out of http://github.com/BartJol/international- to add that to 7.8? | 18:29 |
| +BartJol | I made a bit of a mess out of it | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | just a bit ;) | 18:30 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be easier if it had the same structure as WebGUI's lib | 18:30 |
| +BartJol | hey, I tested it properly | 18:30 |
| +BartJol | yeah | 18:30 |
| +BartJol | next time I will do better | 18:30 |
| +perlDreamer | and then we'll need Haarg's help, because I don't know how to merge in remote repos | 18:30 |
| +BartJol | I hope | 18:30 |
| @Haarg | no good way to merge something like that without a ton of extra work | 18:31 |
| @Haarg | i'd just grab the files | 18:31 |
| +BartJol | sorry | 18:31 |
| @Haarg | it's not really a problem. just grabbing the files is easy. | 18:32 |
| +BartJol | ok, but those are from 7.7.19 | 18:32 |
| * perlDreamer is pretty sure International.pm and Scratch have not been touched since 7.7.19 | 18:33 | |
| +perlDreamer | but we should check | 18:33 |
| @Haarg | you could always fake it | 18:33 |
| @Haarg | git checkout v7.7.19 | 18:33 |
| @Haarg | put the files in place, commit, note new commit id, git checkout master, git merge <commit id> | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | and that will apply the right diffs? | 18:34 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | git rocks | 18:34 |
| +BartJol | well, my stupidity is compensated by git | 18:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | BartJol: are you saying you are a stupid git? | 18:35 |
| @Haarg | what i would recommend for doing that kind of development though is to create a fork of the webgui repo on github | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | as an aside, this is an example of unfortunate template variable naming. In a CS'es view template, user.isVisitor means either that the _user_ is visitor, or, if you're inside a loop, it means that the _post owner_ is visitor | 18:35 |
| +BartJol | MrHairgrease: no | 18:36 |
| @Haarg | then create branches in your fork for the various things you are working on | 18:36 |
| +BartJol | ah | 18:36 |
| @Haarg | i should write up a tutorial on that | 18:36 |
| +BartJol | ok | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, that is actually a very subtle, but evil bug | 18:39 |
| elnino | I'm glad I found a tasty one. | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | the thing is, I don't know how to fix it | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | the goal is that the user profile link should not be shown, if the user is visitor, or if the poster is visitor | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | since visitor's profile is never shown | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, so we need a new template variable called "showProfileUrl" | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | and then alter all the CS templates to use that, instead of the poorly named user.isVisitor | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | this would be much easier with TT | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | plainhao, would you please backport the StoryArchive patch to 7.7? | 18:47 |
| elnino | is "isvisitor" not what it means? - because it seems to mean that if the user is a visitor (regardless if they can post or not) they should not see the link. period. | 18:47 |
| @plainhao | k, i'll try | 18:47 |
| elnino | unless of course youcan allow visitors to see the profile. | 18:48 |
| elnino | then what you suggest makes sense. | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino: in the post_loop, user.isVisitor means that the the poster is visitor | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | outside the post_loop, it means that the viewer is visitor | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | it is very evil | 18:49 |
| elnino | ah. | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | we'll hide the link | 18:51 |
| +BartJol | mmm, dutch text in a wg db, someone has been hacking | 18:53 |
| +BartJol | as a fieldname | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, haarg: Have you read Joeri's bug about Admin group in the Visitor group? | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | At first, I wasn't convinced that it was a bug | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | now, after reading is reply, I'm not so sure. | 18:55 |
| @Haarg | i saw it but didn't look into it at all | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | could you take a few minutes to read and consider? | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm now heavily leaning toward fixing it. | 18:56 |
| +BartJol | should I get him? | 18:56 |
| @Haarg | do other users go into the visitor group? | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think so | 18:56 |
| @Haarg | i don't know. the admin group is a member of all of the groups on purpose. | 18:57 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, but in this case, I don't think it does any good | 18:57 |
| +perlDreamer | because now Admin is a member of Registered Users AND Visitors | 18:57 |
| +perlDreamer | which does not make sense | 18:57 |
| @Haarg | it probably makes more sense for it to not be in the group | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | anyone else in the channel have any thoughts? | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease? | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | all you lurking PB people? | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | bopbop, is this going to make a documentation nightmare? | 19:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | perldreamer! | 19:01 |
| @bopbop | hang on, let me scroll up and read | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | backlog a bit, and answer the question about Admin being in the Visitors group, MrHairgrease, if you would, sir. | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | but if Joeri is standing over your shoulder promising bier and vacation, then you must excuse yourself from the discussion | 19:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok hang on | 19:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | perldreamer, you mean backlog on irc? | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | here's the bug URL, for reference, too: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11082 | 19:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok, what is the question? | 19:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | should admin be in visitors gorup? | 19:04 |
| @bopbop | does the group "everyone" include both visitor and registered user? | 19:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease: that is the question | 19:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | I think not | 19:05 |
| @bopbop | then it wouldn't be a problem removing admin from visitor | 19:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | the reason being that admin is not a visitor | 19:05 |
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| +MrHairgrease | admin is a regular account | 19:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | that happens to be special =) | 19:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | the visitor account is not | 19:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | therefore I think that admin should be in any group | 19:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | except | 19:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | visitors | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | well, it's not just user Admin. The Admin Group is a subgroup of all groups by design in WebGUI. Unfortunately, this includes group Visitor. | 19:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh ic | 19:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's just weird | 19:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | b/c | 19:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | rgistered users and vistors are both mutually exclusive | 19:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | so admin cannot possibly in both | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, now I'm completely sold | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | what would I do without you guys? | 19:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | my gut feeling says only visitors in visitor | 19:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | uhmm | 19:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | go the the netherlands and find other cool eurotrash? | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | who could be as cool as the Dutch WebGUI guys? | 19:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | dunno | 19:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | prolly nobody??? | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | OQAPI!!!!! | 19:11 |
| +BartJol | where do we get our charm... | 19:11 |
| +BartJol | it's the cheese! | 19:11 |
| +BartJol | or beer | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | or the beer cheese | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | speaking of food... | 19:11 |
| +BartJol | breakfast? | 19:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | good idea BartJol, bbiab | 19:18 |
| +BartJol | ah, well I be gone iab | 19:18 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: hao webgui-7.7 * r184c956 / (2 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) | 21:05 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Fixed failure in test 250 of t/00_compile.t. | 21:05 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: not ok 250 - WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.pm compiles without warnings | 21:05 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: @ Failed test 'WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.pm compiles without warnings' | 21:05 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: @ at 00_compile.t line 52. | 21:05 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: @ got: 'Argument "." isn't numeric in numeric eq (==) at | 21:05 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: /Users/hao/Dropbox/PB/wg/webgui/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.pm line | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, plainhao! | 21:05 |
| +cap10morgan | would you see something like "DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Duplicate entry 'TbDcVLbbznPi0I0rxQf2CQ-1254442538' for key 1" if you tried to create 2 assets within the same second? | 21:49 |
| +cap10morgan | er, commit 2 revisions, i guess that should be | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | I was asking rizen about having millisecond level timing in the db a while back, but it's not as easy as it sounds | 21:50 |
| +cap10morgan | ok, i'm wondering if that's what could be happening w/ this package import in the 7.7.19->7.7.20 upgrade script | 21:50 |
| +perlDreamer | it's possible | 21:50 |
| +cap10morgan | it doesn't happen on all my sites, but i've found 2 so far | 21:50 |
| +cap10morgan | ok, i'll keep digging | 21:50 |
| +cap10morgan | thanks | 21:50 |
| +perlDreamer | are there two packages with the same template in it? | 21:50 |
| +cap10morgan | wouldn't that cause the error on every upgrade? | 21:51 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it's a race condition | 21:51 |
| +cap10morgan | oh, sure, that makes sense | 21:51 |
| +perlDreamer | depends on the speed of the site, loading, etc | 21:51 |
| +cap10morgan | yeah, maybe then | 21:51 |
| +perlDreamer | a storyarchive package? | 21:51 |
| +cap10morgan | this is the storymanager.wgpkg | 21:51 |
| +cap10morgan | in the packages-7.7.20 dir | 21:52 |
| +cap10morgan | root_import_storymanager.wgpkg to be exact | 21:52 |
| +cap10morgan | that's what the error message comes from, at least | 21:52 |
| +cap10morgan | i have the assetid too... | 21:52 |
| @Haarg | package importing should never cause that issue due to things being imported too quickly. | 21:52 |
| +cap10morgan | oh, i already pasted that | 21:52 |
| @Haarg | because the packages have revisionDates in them, and it will update the existing assets if the assetId+revisionDate combination already exists. | 21:53 |
| +cap10morgan | oh, ok | 21:54 |
| @Haarg | but it could possibly happen if the asset instantiation failed for some reason | 21:54 |
| @Haarg | not due to speed though | 21:54 |
| +cap10morgan | well, i'm going to have it spit out the actual queries next to see where that gets me | 21:54 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, does this seem too silly? http://gist.github.com/200000 | 21:59 |
| @Haarg | although i should probably document it better to explain why it does something so convoluted | 21:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: we changed that, with the revisionDates, remember? | 22:09 |
| @Haarg | you mean in your new code? | 22:09 |
| @Haarg | i guess i was thinking that hadn't gone into a release yet | 22:10 |
| @Haarg | i haven't actually looked at what you changed | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | it went out in .21 | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan, are you upgrading to 7.7.20, or 7.7.21? | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, it does seem a little silly. What's wrong with the old tempfile method? | 22:12 |
| @Haarg | changes permissions | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | and only root can alter permissions | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | well... | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | why not record the original permissions and restore them when you're done? | 22:14 |
| carogray | i started something with Bartjol this morning before all you midwest and wescoasters were up | 22:17 |
| carogray | is making a package version tagged? | 22:17 |
| carogray | i.e. can I export it without committing the version tag under which I created it? | 22:17 |
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| @Haarg | oop | 22:20 |
| carogray | ...seems that if one wants to export a package whilst using Google Chrome browser, Chrome adds a .gz extension to it. thought someone might want to know | 22:21 |
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| perlDreamer1 | I've been gone about 20 minutes, and the logs aren't updated yet | 22:32 |
| perlDreamer1 | if anybody asked me anything, you'll need to repaste it | 22:33 |
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| @Haarg | [14:14:25] <Haarg> there's really no way to maintain permissions properly without reusing the same file | 22:34 |
| @Haarg | [14:15:03] <Haarg> so it goes through the extra stuff to make sure it will be able to write the complete file before it overwrites the old content | 22:34 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3fb3644 / t/templateSyntax.t : Test for checking syntax in all templates. - http://bit.ly/27VjZ2 | 22:49 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r247166b / (9 files in 8 dirs): | 22:49 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: In the CS, do not show a profile link unless the user is not a visitor. Fixes bug #11084 | 22:49 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: If the post is owned by Visitor, do not show the link because no one | 22:49 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: is allowed to see Visitor's profile. If the current user is Visitor, | 22:49 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: do not show the link because Visitor is not allowed to view anyone's | 22:49 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: profile. - http://bit.ly/4Q08d | 22:49 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2c9b4da / (2 files): Move upgrade sub to correct upgrade script. - http://bit.ly/P7jFq | 22:52 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r8a576be / t/templateSyntax.t : Test for checking syntax in all templates. - http://bit.ly/s270s | 22:52 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5c39f8e / (9 files in 8 dirs): | 22:52 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: In the CS, do not show a profile link unless the user is not a visitor. | 22:52 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: If the post is owned by Visitor, do not show the link because no one | 22:52 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: is allowed to see Visitor's profile. If the current user is Visitor, | 22:52 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: do not show the link because Visitor is not allowed to view anyone's | 22:52 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: profile. - http://bit.ly/14o1hy | 22:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, working on Joeri's bug next | 22:59 |
| @Haarg | so any extra comments on the config::json stuff? probably doesn't matter much as long as it works. | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 23:00 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r62cb3a4 / lib/WebGUI/AssetExportHtml.pm : correct error detection code in export - http://bit.ly/9vJfD | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | i'm surprised there isn't a way to maintain the permissions | 23:01 |
| @Haarg | well, i can't think of one | 23:01 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, do you think storage->getFiles should include directories in the result? and what about files starting with . in subdirectories? | 23:33 |
| * perlDreamer needs to review thte code before making an informed reply | 23:40 | |
| @Haarg | currently directories are included, as are files starting with periods in subdirectories | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I tried to filter out dot files in subdirectories | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | but it's not tested... | 23:42 |
| @Haarg | it's an easy change | 23:42 |
| @Haarg | part of the tests does assume it includes directories | 23:43 |
| * perlDreamer doesn't like the idea of deep storage locations at all | 23:43 | |
| @Haarg | but that test seems to be designed primarily for a different purpose | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | you're looking at the copy tests | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | ? | 23:44 |
| @Haarg | and the clear tests | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | in the clear tests, it calls getFiles('all') | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | so the question is in which modes should it return directories, and dot files | 23:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | what's up with the old SVN server, has it been taken down? | 23:47 |
| @Haarg | no | 23:48 |
| @Haarg | well, maybe | 23:48 |
| @Haarg | it shouldn't be though | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | the Syndicated Content test, and my browser say it is | 23:48 |
| @Haarg | well, the test needs to be changed | 23:48 |
| @Haarg | but i don't know why it is down | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll find another RSS feed for the test | 23:49 |
| @Haarg | i brought it back up | 23:50 |
| @Haarg | maybe i can get rid of it this weekend though | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | the test should be converted to be a WEBGUI_LIVE test | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | so that it doesn't depend on an external server | 23:51 |
| @Haarg | we should probably have two env vars for that | 23:52 |
| @Haarg | net tests and live tests | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I think that's the only net test | 23:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | but, in any case, it's not related to the Admin/Visitor group change that I made, so it's safe to commit that. | 00:08 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r01810f9 / (4 files in 3 dirs): Bug #11082: Admin group has been removed from Visitor Group. - http://bit.ly/vgzsd | 00:13 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r26f7dd8 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Bug #11082: Admin group has been removed from Visitor Group. - http://bit.ly/GwAC1 | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, do you really keep forgetting to backport to webgui-7.7, or do you do all your backports in one big batch? | 00:14 |
| @Haarg | i usually do it in batches | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not going to pester you about it anymore, then | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan, did you nail down what's happening in the upgrade? | 00:18 |
| +cap10morgan | no, i haven't yet | 00:18 |
| +cap10morgan | been training the new guy :) | 00:18 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, think it would be good to do a s/storagesToDelete/addToCleanup/ on the tests (and for the other cleanup methods)? | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | not until it's backported to 7.7 | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | otherwise merging is going to be a pain | 00:22 |
| @Haarg | oh yeah, forgot about that | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | aside from that, I think it's a great idea | 00:22 |
| @Haarg | it's probably safe to do that at this point. it's a somewhat large change but it seem to be holding up fine. | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | did you ever finish the $guard auto-variable insertion code? | 00:23 |
| @Haarg | nope | 00:23 |
| @Haarg | pretty sure it can't be done without extra modules | 00:23 |
| @Haarg | been trying to make these adjustments so we could possibly use Test::Aggregate | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I've been cleaning up all the END blocks as i come across them | 00:25 |
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| @Haarg | been trying to make these adjustments so we could possibly use Test::Aggregate | 00:28 |
| @Haarg | but at least the cleanup stuff is good enough for that at this point | 00:28 |
| @Haarg | we could stick a my $guard = Scope::Guard->new(sub { WebGUI::Test->cleanup }); at the beginning of the tests | 00:28 |
| @Haarg | and it would handle automatic cleanup of all of the tests own stuff | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | won't we need that anyway? | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | instead of relying on the END block in Test.pm? | 00:30 |
| @Haarg | if we wanted to use aggregate you mean? | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:31 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 00:31 |
| @Haarg | that's what i mean. at this point, the cleanup stuff is good enough to handle aggregate. | 00:32 |
| @Haarg | just the tests would need some adjustment. | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I see | 00:32 |
| @Haarg | there are still problems most likely | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I wouldn't mind spending several hours refactoring the tests, but I'd be happier doing it when the bug list is shorter. | 00:32 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 00:32 |
| @Haarg | i think if we keep converting them to use addToCleanup or the other similar methods that will be a good enough improvement | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what I mean. | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | just doing it all in 1 fell swoop | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | instead of nickel-diming it | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | because now we have stuff using END, *toDelete and soon, addToCleanup | 00:34 |
| @Haarg | well, the difference between *toDelete and addToCleanup is pretty much nonexistant | 00:35 |
| @Haarg | but yeah, focusing on test cleanups is hard to justify when there are enough actual bugs | 00:35 |
| @Haarg | the other things that will be problematic re: aggregate are anything using Test::MockObject->fake_module | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | we'll have to find other workarounds for that | 00:36 |
| @Haarg | what i would recommend is just not using it | 00:37 |
| @Haarg | instead, load the module for real | 00:37 |
| @Haarg | and use local *WebGUI::Module::method = sub {}; | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not typing well. That's what I meant | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | having another workaround for fake_module | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | except perhaps for apache cookie handling | 00:38 |
| @Haarg | back later | 00:45 |
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| elnino | Haarg are you around? | 01:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | he's out right now, elnino | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | is it a question I can potshoot? | 02:08 |
| @Haarg | back for a little | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd love a 2nd opinion on the DataForm captcha caching fix I'm about to commit | 02:25 |
| +perlDreamer | here it comes | 02:25 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rad35662 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Prevent dataform from caching when the form contains a captcha. Fixes bug #11049 - http://bit.ly/1yB5Kn | 02:25 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0e09072 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Prevent dataform from caching when the form contains a captcha. Fixes bug #11049 - http://bit.ly/QZoik | 02:25 |
| +perlDreamer | it should be pretty straight forward, but no one knows the DataForm better than you now | 02:27 |
| @Haarg | my first thoughts are actually related to mostly unrelated issues | 02:30 |
| @Haarg | which are that having a macro in the default value of a field in the dataform won't refresh properly due to cache | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be another bug | 02:30 |
| @Haarg | and that i don't think calendar properly invalidates its cache | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | the calendar should return either last modified, or "this morning", right? | 02:31 |
| @Haarg | also that the CS could probably do a better job of caching than just avoiding it | 02:31 |
| @Haarg | the other alternative is to have events update the calendar | 02:31 |
| @Haarg | with a new lastUpdated value | 02:31 |
| @Haarg | same for the cs | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | but the calendar also has the concept of the default viewing window, and it can change without altering any events | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | like when you rollover to a new week/month/day, etc | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | and how in the world do you remember all that stuff? | 02:33 |
| @Haarg | if you change the default view though that should be a new rev | 02:33 |
| @Haarg | unless it's a user setting | 02:33 |
| +perlDreamer | think about making the default view the week. | 02:34 |
| +perlDreamer | from Sunday to monday, you get presented a whole new week | 02:34 |
| +perlDreamer | but lastModified never changes | 02:34 |
| @Haarg | ah | 02:34 |
| +perlDreamer | we could subclass/extend addChild in the Calendar to handle updating the calendar | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | no, that wouldn't work for editing a calendar | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | err, event | 02:35 |
| @preaction | if we made every view in an asset have its own URL, that would work ;) | 02:35 |
| @Haarg | event->update could easily also update the calendar | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be better than pFFPP | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | we should file bugs for all those | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | that's stuff that I can do | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | but Map, latin-1 and AssetManager menu will need the special touch of the two of you | 02:38 |
| @Haarg | i still can't reproduce the stuff that caused the latin1 thing | 02:39 |
| @Haarg | it was something on my machine | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | odd | 02:39 |
| @Haarg | but i'm not sure what | 02:39 |
| @Haarg | i have some pending changes to wgd build related to that | 02:40 |
| @Haarg | then i just have to make the script to fix the existing tables | 02:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll be back on later | 02:53 |
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| +patspam | can someone pm me PlainBlack's PayPal payment email address? | 04:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'd like that, too, patspam | 04:33 |
| +patspam | howdy perlDreamer | 04:34 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, man! | 04:34 |
| +perlDreamer | how come you're hacking on a Saturday? | 04:34 |
| +patspam | heh I'm not, just surfing the web | 04:41 |
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| +patspam | have you run the test suite on perl 5.11.0 yet..? ;) | 04:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | no | 04:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I only heard about 5.11 this afternoon | 04:51 |
| +perlDreamer | had a weird bug with 5.8.8 today | 04:52 |
| +perlDreamer | 00_compile.t runs clean on 5.10, but under 5.8.8 (or maybe .5) there's a syntax warning in StoryArchive.pm | 04:52 |
| +patspam | bizarre | 04:58 |
| +patspam | heh but yeah, i think 5.11 was only released in the last 24 hours | 04:58 |
| +perlDreamer | and they're going to have monthly releases, too | 05:12 |
| +perlDreamer | of course, when they get to matching the release schedule of WebGUI, _then_ they'll have something to talk about ;) | 05:12 |
| +patspam | hehe totally! | 05:18 |
| +patspam | monthly released of perl 5 is really awesome though | 05:18 |
| @preaction | it's nice that there's a fire under Perl's ass now, but why now? | 05:19 |
| @preaction | are we finally fed up with playing second-fiddle to PHP? | 05:19 |
| +perlDreamer | that won't happen on the language level | 05:21 |
| +perlDreamer | as long as its nigh on impossible to install Perl scripts and have them work like PHP, we'll play 2nd fiddle in web space | 05:21 |
| +perlDreamer | sensei preaction, are you ready to begin the lesson? | 05:22 |
| @preaction | sure, let me pull up a browser | 05:22 |
| +perlDreamer | you need a 7.8 site | 05:22 |
| @preaction | trunk okay? | 05:23 |
| +perlDreamer | yep | 05:23 |
| @preaction | okay, and what's broken? | 05:24 |
| +perlDreamer | hop into the asset manager | 05:24 |
| @preaction | okay, i see the two bugs now | 05:24 |
| @preaction | More doesn't work, and clicking the last item in the crumbtrail is weird | 05:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I've using the sitemap page, just because it loads faster | 05:25 |
| +perlDreamer | well, if you click it twice, it's bad | 05:25 |
| +perlDreamer | clicking once, then clicking off the menu to deactivate seems to work okay | 05:25 |
| +perlDreamer | it's being rendered | 05:28 |
| +perlDreamer | the listener is firing | 05:28 |
| +perlDreamer | but no menu | 05:28 |
| +perlDreamer | menu.show is firing, I was able to use the debugger to put a breakpoint in container_core's show function | 05:30 |
| +perlDreamer | the crumb trail uses almost exactly the same javascript to build its menu, and it works fine (aside from the duplication issue) | 05:31 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, I think I have it | 05:33 |
| +perlDreamer | it's the menu position | 05:33 |
| +perlDreamer | when the crumb trail menu is rendered, the style on the div is given a left and top set of coordinates | 05:34 |
| +perlDreamer | that overrides the one it gets from .yuimenu CSS | 05:34 |
| +perlDreamer | but the more menu does not get those top and left in the style | 05:34 |
| +perlDreamer | it's like it can't find the thing it is supposed to attach to | 05:34 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe the DataTable is interfering with the location of the menu? | 05:35 |
| @preaction | that's what the "context" property is supposed to do | 05:37 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 05:37 |
| +perlDreamer | but if I use Firebug to disable the .yuimenu left and top properties, then the menu shows up (in the wrong place) | 05:39 |
| +perlDreamer | the links that the menu are attached to do not have ids | 05:45 |
| +perlDreamer | and the crumb trail one does | 05:45 |
| @preaction | they shouldn't need to. they didn't need to before | 05:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I know, but the old YUI 2.6 still works | 05:45 |
| +perlDreamer | how can I assign it an ID to check that? | 05:46 |
| @preaction | it's in formatActions i believe | 05:47 |
| @preaction | in the javascript | 05:47 |
| +perlDreamer | a.id = "someUniqueText"; ?? | 05:48 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, having an ID doesn't make a difference | 05:50 |
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| CIA-56 | WebGUI: translation * r12372 /translations/German/German/Asset_Survey.pm: Updating German on translation server | 23:54 |
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| +cap10morgan | Looks like that upgrade error I'm seeing is happening on a template that is in both root_import_storymanager_storytemplatetopic.wgpkg and root_import_storymanager.wgpkg | 01:17 |
| +cap10morgan | and the error is coming from an attempt to insert into assetData w/ the same revisionDate | 01:18 |
| +cap10morgan | i still don't see why that is happening | 01:19 |
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| +patspam | why do we have ^/extras mapped to WebGUI::URL::PassThru in site.conf? | 09:35 |
| +patspam | isn't modproxy supposed to handle it exclusively? | 09:35 |
| @preaction | what if there isn't a modproxy instance? | 09:55 |
| +patspam | indeed | 09:57 |
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| CIA-56 | config-json: Graham Knop master * rae2c71b / (Changes lib/Config/JSON.pm): eliminate use of temp file and add protection against disk full issues - http://bit.ly/103fD3 | 16:47 |
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| elnino | hi all | 03:21 |
| daviddelikat1 | 'lo | 03:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | howdy! | 04:36 |
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| daviddelikat1 | hey PD you still out there? | 06:07 |
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| @preaction | if I don't want to call this asset "Snippet" anymore, what should I call it? RawContent? | 11:19 |
| @preaction | just like "Article", it has no real semantic difference with "Post" or "Snippet" | 11:21 |
| @preaction | one is Rich Content, one is Raw Content | 11:21 |
| +bartjol | preaction: RawContent does describe it, but not sure whether users really understand that termonology | 11:24 |
| @preaction | well, not now sure | 11:25 |
| +bartjol | plain content? | 11:26 |
| @preaction | i'm just trying to get rid of Post, Event, and so many other assets that are exactly the same but for two or three things | 11:26 |
| @preaction | Event == Article + Start and End dates | 11:26 |
| @preaction | Post == Article | 11:26 |
| @preaction | WikiPage == Article | 11:26 |
| +bartjol | well, is there a rason that they were split in the past? | 11:26 |
| @preaction | (well, with wiki linking) | 11:26 |
| @preaction | no, they weren't split, we just never joined them | 11:27 |
| +bartjol | ah | 11:27 |
| @preaction | this is my personal rewrite of WebGUI | 11:27 |
| +bartjol | and in the end, they turn out almost the same | 11:27 |
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| @preaction | yeah, which pains me | 11:27 |
| +bartjol | ah, that's why you're at work at this strange time | 11:27 |
| @preaction | we'll have a BlogPost soon, i suspect | 11:27 |
| @preaction | and a ForumPost | 11:28 |
| +bartjol | yeah, and the story mayb? | 11:28 |
| @preaction | oh, right, Story | 11:28 |
| +bartjol | not sure how that differs yet | 11:28 |
| @preaction | it has attachments you can order | 11:28 |
| @preaction | which wouldn't be necessary if the form field was more intelligent about things | 11:28 |
| +bartjol | so with some extra options the article could do everything | 11:29 |
| @preaction | too much wasted effort to build a generic piece of content over and over and over | 11:29 |
| @preaction | exactly | 11:30 |
| +bartjol | but naming assets should be related to context | 11:31 |
| +bartjol | in a cs "add article" is just not the same as "add post" | 11:31 |
| +bartjol | for a newsletter, that might be ok | 11:31 |
| +bartjol | so you might figure out something for that | 11:32 |
| @preaction | that's easy though, change the link in the template | 11:32 |
| +bartjol | also, recounting on deleting and restoring posts from cs takes some code | 11:33 |
| +bartjol | I do agree with you, that 1 asset might be better, but there are quite some border effects | 11:33 |
| +bartjol | which might result in 1 un-understandable asset | 11:34 |
| @preaction | yeah, hence not gonna try it in current WebGUI | 11:34 |
| +bartjol | so you might need a subclass in the asset | 11:34 |
| +bartjol | are a form field | 11:34 |
| @preaction | the idea being there will be a "RichContent" asset that one can subclass to make many things, like Event | 11:35 |
| +bartjol | which is almost the same | 11:35 |
| +bartjol | just a db entry | 11:35 |
| @preaction | I AM CALLED.... TIM | 11:37 |
| +bartjol | Tim? | 11:37 |
| +bartjol | I call you Doug or f***head | 11:37 |
| +bartjol | sorry | 11:38 |
| @preaction | watching Holy Grail :p | 11:38 |
| +bartjol | ah | 11:39 |
| +bartjol | Tim is that evil guy right? | 11:39 |
| @preaction | he's the sorceror who can make random explosions | 11:39 |
| +bartjol | ah | 11:40 |
| +bartjol | right | 11:40 |
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| zylopfa | Does anyone know when assetHistory table got added a url column? | 14:03 |
| zylopfa | I searched through the upgrade files and its no where to be found | 14:03 |
| zylopfa | guess I will hardcode it but its not very good, should be in the upgrade files | 14:03 |
| @preaction | it's missing in your site? | 14:04 |
| @preaction | where are you upgrading from/to? | 14:04 |
| zylopfa | I am upgrading from 7.5.38 to 7.7.21 | 14:04 |
| zylopfa | also some talbes missing that dont get upgraded | 14:05 |
| @preaction | then one of your upgrades went bad | 14:05 |
| zylopfa | yeah i guess | 14:07 |
| zylopfa | I want to install from scratch then but i need a way to get my forum imported to the new site | 14:07 |
| zylopfa | I tried to correct the errors manually adding the talbes it needed and the columns needed in some tables | 14:07 |
| zylopfa | but then my forum wouldnt work | 14:08 |
| @preaction | did you upgrade to 7.5.40 before you upgraded to 7.6? | 14:08 |
| zylopfa | I just dont know why assetHistory tables change is no where to be found in the upgrade scripts under /data/Webgui/docs | 14:08 |
| @preaction | it is in the 7.5.40-7.6.10 upgrade | 14:09 |
| zylopfa | ohh | 14:09 |
| zylopfa | So i need to use that first? | 14:09 |
| zylopfa | i thought the upgrade scripts took care of it? | 14:09 |
| zylopfa | as i understand i should download webgui 7.5.40 and install that first? | 14:10 |
| @preaction | yes | 14:10 |
| zylopfa | you are worth a lot of gold preaction! | 14:10 |
| @preaction | that's what the gotchas for 7.6.11 say | 14:10 |
| @preaction | read the gotchas.txt always | 14:10 |
| zylopfa | yeah :( | 14:10 |
| zylopfa | thanks a lot for your help | 14:10 |
| @preaction | np | 14:11 |
| @preaction | it's usually the rule that before upgrading to any minor version, upgrade to the last version of the previous one | 14:11 |
| @preaction | so 7.5.40, 7.6.35, 7.7.21 | 14:11 |
| zylopfa | ahh ok thanks a lot | 14:14 |
| zylopfa | I will read the gotchas now also | 14:14 |
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| zylopfa | damn now i get $driver->className method doesn't exist | 14:38 |
| zylopfa | some itransact part of the upgrade :( | 14:38 |
| zylopfa | Ok I am cheating and commenting the itransact part out, cause my site dont use it. and it only change a value for existing itransact drivers used | 14:41 |
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| zylopfa | preaction, thanks for your awesome upgrade help! Now it works flawlessly | 15:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | good morning, fellow webgui people! | 17:45 |
| * perlDreamer will be back in a little while | 17:45 | |
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| +perlDreamer | yay! kids are at school. | 17:59 |
| @preaction | yay! | 17:59 |
| +perlDreamer | this morning was rough | 18:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Peter threw a plush chair at Tim, and Tim tried to punch Peter | 18:01 |
| @preaction | wow | 18:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I asked Peter why he threw the chair, and he said that Tim wasn't getting out of bed. | 18:01 |
| @bopbop | at least it was a plush chair | 18:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's what I get for taking a shower in the morning... | 18:03 |
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| elnino | good morning! | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, elnino! | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: I'm going to take a look at the upgrade problems that cap10morgan reported. There was a similar post in the forums today. | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it's due to the package upgrade change I made. | 18:06 |
| @preaction | he reported it as a bug? | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 18:06 |
| @preaction | oh, then putting a sleep 1; is probably the correct answer | 18:06 |
| @preaction | i mean, i haven't run across it yet | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I can't duplicate it | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | well, I can't duplicate it using code from git to upgrade | 18:09 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll try the tarball next | 18:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, Haarg | 18:14 |
| @Haarg | morning | 18:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought of another wgd tool to build | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be useful to have wgd go through the packages in the package directory for this upgrade and make sure that no templates are in there twice | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | s/templates/assets/ | 18:16 |
| @Haarg | sounds reasonable | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | in .21 there are two sets of those | 18:17 |
| @Haarg | actually, it might be good to have a command for splitting packages | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | it would also be nice to go from package format, to wgd format | 18:18 |
| +perlDreamer | it's easier to read | 18:18 |
| zylopfa | perlDreamer, hello friendly Webguian! | 18:18 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, zylopfa! | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | haven't seen you in a while | 18:19 |
| @Haarg | did cap10morgan's problem ever get resolved? i looked through the code but wasn't seeing how it would try to use duplicate revision numbers | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | with the new package option I wrote, if you try to take the same asset within the same second, it will create a duplicate | 18:19 |
| zylopfa | I am having an issue with "friend invitations" | 18:19 |
| zylopfa | but I will find the problem and correct it | 18:19 |
| zylopfa | I have a site up with 10k users | 18:19 |
| zylopfa | and i found that some users have 30k messages that their friend request got denied | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | well, some people won't take "no" for an answer | 18:20 |
| zylopfa | haa true | 18:20 |
| zylopfa | I think it has to do with deleted users or something | 18:20 |
| zylopfa | or disabled users | 18:20 |
| zylopfa | so it wont remove the friend requests when disabled | 18:21 |
| zylopfa | and keeps sending them | 18:21 |
| zylopfa | something like that i think | 18:21 |
| zylopfa | but i will look into the code soon | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | zylopfa, there's a workflow that is supposed to disable old friends requests, I think | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | make sure that is running | 18:21 |
| zylopfa | haa yeah thanks | 18:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, dreamersgirl | 18:36 |
| dreamersgirl | morning. i made it. :) | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | phew | 18:37 |
| dreamersgirl | in spite of hitting every red light and getting stuck behind a really slow truck | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | you're supposed to drive _under_ the red light, not fly into them | 18:38 |
| dreamersgirl | yeah, thanks | 18:38 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, reading through the code though i'm not seeing why it would try to create a new revision | 18:38 |
| @Haarg | it looks like it would find the existing revision | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | revisionExists is going to be false | 18:40 |
| @Haarg | oh, i see | 18:40 |
| @Haarg | is there even a reason to check like that? | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | for normal package operations | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | not upgrades | 18:40 |
| @Haarg | yes, but if you just tried to instantiate the asset it should to approximately the same thing | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 18:43 |
| @Haarg | seems it's to prevent a log message | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't understand why the "update" behavior is there at all | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | who wants to update an old version of an asset? | 18:44 |
| @Haarg | what should it do instead? | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | <narrowmindedly>it should either create a new asset, or make a new version of an existing asset</nm> | 18:44 |
| @Haarg | i'm not really certain what the use case is for imported packages not overwriting all changes | 18:45 |
| * perlDreamer knows who to ask for historical WebGUI use cases ;) | 18:46 | |
| +perlDreamer | are you sitting across from him? | 18:46 |
| @Haarg | not today | 18:46 |
| @Haarg | is there a reason you used 0 instead of time for the revisionDate in what you added? | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I knew that 0 would never be found | 18:46 |
| @Haarg | seems like changing it to time would fix the problem of fast imports | 18:48 |
| @Haarg | and would otherwise behave the same | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | $version is only used in 1 place, and that's to look for versions | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | not to create them | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | for that is uses $properties->{revisionDate} | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | which isn't touched | 18:49 |
| @Haarg | yes, so if it searches for a real value (the value it is going to insert anyway) it should fix that problem without causing any others | 18:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | how do you propose that it do that, Haarg? | 18:51 |
| @Haarg | like i say, use time | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think the problem is the $version, (line 140) | 18:52 |
| @Haarg | $version does get used to create the revisions | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, you're right | 18:52 |
| @Haarg | the problem is that it searches for 0 and never finds it, so it uses addRevision instead | 18:53 |
| @Haarg | and if it does that twice quickly it dies | 18:53 |
| @Haarg | instead, if it used time, it would find the version it just created | 18:53 |
| @Haarg | and update it | 18:53 |
| @Haarg | that code in there kind of works on the assumption that you are giving it a real package | 18:54 |
| @Haarg | 0 isn't just a 'never found' value, it is a false value and thus treated special | 18:54 |
| @Haarg | sometimes | 18:54 |
| @Haarg | assetExists doesn't treat it special though | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | no, but addRev does | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | and it uses time() | 19:00 |
| @Haarg | yes | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | which I think takes us back to the problem of having an asset in multiple packages | 19:01 |
| @Haarg | having it in multiple packages is a problem, but a separate one | 19:01 |
| @Haarg | do you have any problem with me changing it to use time? | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | as long as the tests still pass | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | ;) | 19:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | I talked with JT, and he says that for normal usage of importing packages that it's doing the right thing. | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | you should not reimport a package to erase/bypass revisions | 19:06 |
| @Haarg | well, i know that it is designed to do that, i just don't quite know what the use case is. | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it's to prevent people from using packages to overwrite newer versions of an asset. | 19:07 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra4c2908 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move updated collaboration package to correct updgrade directory. - http://bit.ly/3vINql | 19:30 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rbb45d06 / (2 files): remove duplicate story templates from 7.7.20 upgrade dir. - http://bit.ly/1ctQcB | 19:32 |
| +cap10morgan | Didn't we fix the issue where secure or non-secure CDN URLs were being cached? | 19:34 |
| +cap10morgan | or did that fix not go into 7.7? | 19:34 |
| @Haarg | i think it was fixed | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, it was fixed | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | http and https use a different cache now | 19:35 |
| +cap10morgan | ok, that's what i thought | 19:36 |
| +cap10morgan | hmm, i'm still getting non-secure CDN URLs on secure pages | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | consistently, or randomly? | 19:39 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5ceb1cc / docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.20/root_import_survey_surveyedit.css.wgpkg : Remove duplicate surveyedit css package from 7.7.20 upgrade directory. - http://bit.ly/aF7Ac | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the last of the duplicate packages in 7.7.20 | 19:40 |
| +cap10morgan | ok, looks like clearing the cache fixed it, so maybe just a really old cached copy? | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | could be, please keep your eyes out for it, though | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: did you say that you had a fix for the SC description bug? | 19:42 |
| @preaction | not a patch, no, but setting it to the empty string will work | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | will do | 19:53 |
| @preaction | it's undef that is the problem | 19:53 |
| @preaction | well... should work :p | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I know, but I didn't want to make you merge if you didn't need to. | 19:53 |
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| carogray | Project 2 coming out of WUC 2009 - is there a way from my end to figure out whether Template Toolkit is already installed on our PB hosted server? | 20:11 |
| carogray | ...is it installed on demo.webgui.org? | 20:12 |
| @Haarg | the code is installed, but it has to be enabled for each site | 20:12 |
| @Haarg | you can post a support request to have it enabled | 20:12 |
| carogray | okey doke - I guess that means it isn't installed on demo.webgui.org | 20:12 |
| carogray | rather enabled | 20:13 |
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| zylopfa | how is it going with webgui and that cms contest? | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | haven't heard anything yet, zylopfa. I wonder if bopbop knows when the contest is over? | 20:17 |
| @bopbop | the voting is open until Oct 30 | 20:17 |
| @bopbop | lots of time yet | 20:17 |
| zylopfa | gonna vote a few thousand times more then ;D | 20:18 |
| @bopbop | :) | 20:18 |
| +perlDreamer | zylopfa, surely with access to 10 kUsers you can avoid stuffing ballots yourself :) | 20:18 |
| zylopfa | indeed! | 20:18 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r0a1f2d2 / (3 files in 3 dirs): www_loadSurvey has to process its own macros. Fixes bug #11088. - http://bit.ly/gTupL | 20:18 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1953e71 / (3 files in 3 dirs): www_loadSurvey has to process its own macros. Fixes bug #11088. - http://bit.ly/eE16U | 20:18 |
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| samora | is there a way to conceal the cryptic uploads directory created when a file (PDF, etc.) is uploaded and linked to? | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | samora, in what context? | 20:38 |
| samora | I created a folder, and uploaded a few files into it. once the asset is saved, adn i hover on the link to see or download this file (as a user), i see uploads/cryptic/url in the browser's status bar. i would like that status to show the URL i assigned the file myfiles/directory/here.PDF instead | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | samora, to do that, you need to create a different template for the folder that contains those files you uploaded | 20:49 |
| samora | ok. what should i use instead of <tmpl_var fileurl> ? | 20:49 |
| @preaction | why do you want the url you assigned? | 20:50 |
| @preaction | you'll need to do more than one thing to make that the only URL the user sees | 20:50 |
| @preaction | and it will slow down your site | 20:50 |
| samora | preaction - i thought it would be easier to remember | 20:51 |
| +perlDreamer | samora, there is a list of template variables, for all templates, in the online help | 20:52 |
| @preaction | people don't remember URLs, they bookmark them or they remember what they clicked on to get to the file | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | turn on Admin Mode, and go to the Template Help screen in the Admin Bar/Admin Console | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | find the Folder Template in the list of templates | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | the list of variables is in there | 20:52 |
| @preaction | in addition to changing the template, you also need to set "enableStreamingUploads" : 1, in your webgui config file, or else webgui will just redirect the user to the uploads folder | 20:53 |
| samora | great! thanks. | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, by changing the template variable I was able to get it working, without setting streaminguploads | 20:54 |
| @preaction | if you go to the file's URL in webgui, it should do a 301 Redirect to the actual file | 20:55 |
| @preaction | oh.. PDF | 20:55 |
| @preaction | the download dialog will open | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I tried an image, but it worked okay for that, too | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | just showed me the image | 20:55 |
| @preaction | and the browser may or may not change the location bar | 20:55 |
| @preaction | weird | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | (after doing the redirect) | 20:55 |
| samora | i'll try it, and see what results i come up with | 20:56 |
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| samora | using tmpl_var file.url does the trick. is there a way (through webgui's admin panel) to see the config settings that are enabled? | 21:04 |
| samora | just out of curiosity | 21:04 |
| dreamersgirl | lunchtime! :) bye everyone! | 21:05 |
| @preaction | samora: no. config file is server-side only | 21:05 |
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| samora | ok. | 21:06 |
| samora | thank you all for the tips | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | you're welcome, samora | 21:07 |
| +cap10morgan | so commit bb45d063 makes it look like the storymanager template packages in packages-7.7.20 are just not needed? | 21:09 |
| +cap10morgan | so i could fix my upgrade issue if i just delete the 2 files that commit deletes? | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | I believe so | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | I can't make it fail on my laptop | 21:10 |
| +cap10morgan | oh, i see preaction suggested i try adding a sleep 1; to the upgrade script | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | that won't help | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | well, it may, it may not | 21:12 |
| @preaction | sleep 2 then :p | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | it depends on how the revisionDate is generated | 21:12 |
| +cap10morgan | haha | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: sleep 2 | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | see, it didn't work for him either!??! | 21:13 |
| @preaction | perlbot be perlDreamer | 21:13 |
| perlbot | <perlDreamer> CAN I BORROW SOME OF UR BRAINPOWER PLZ? I DONT WANNA LERN PEARL!@! | 21:13 |
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| Mech422 | hi all :-) | 21:13 |
| +perlDreamer | yo, Mech422 | 21:13 |
| Mech422 | Got a stupid CS question... | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | we deal with all kinds of Computer Science in this channel | 21:14 |
| Mech422 | the dateSubmitted.human field is formatted using a '%z' flag ? the perl dateTime docs just says 'z' adds a TZ to the end of the string ? | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI uses its own set of flags, that are different from DateTime, or strftime | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | %z is "use the user's format, as set in their profile" | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | for dates | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | %Z is the same thing, for time formats | 21:17 |
| Mech422 | err..ummph..ok..I'll go fuxor with that :-) Thanks :-) | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | if you find the Date macro docs on the wiki, it will list all the flags and what they mean | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: it's not nice to mock people, unless they're MJD | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | besides, I never misspell perl | 21:18 |
| @preaction | perlbot capital perl | 21:19 |
| perlbot | Perl is the language, perl is the program, there is no PERL. See perldoc -q 'difference between'. | 21:19 |
| @preaction | 0oooh sick burn | 21:19 |
| Mech422 | thats odd - my 'admin' profile has date format as '10/5/2009' - but its formatting the date with a time on the end of it ? | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | is it possible that right after dateSubmitted.human there is timeSubmitted.human, in the template? | 21:22 |
| Mech422 | looked - didn't see one - but its only 'wrong' on the story page - the 'weblog' view has the date a xx/xx/xxxx - let me look at that template | 21:23 |
| Mech422 | weird - that uses same thing... | 21:25 |
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| samora | what is the proper syntax to comment out a tmpl_var? | 21:29 |
| @preaction | samora: you can either delete it, or use an HTML comment: <!-- ... --> | 21:30 |
| samora | k. thanks | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech422, there are some bad template name collisions in the CS | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | in the CS itself, dateSubmitted.human is just the date | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | in the Post, it's the date _and_ time | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | if you don't want that, then use the creationDate template variable, and the Date macro so style it the way you want | 21:31 |
| Mech422 | so thats why the weblog view is 'correct' but the forum thread view has the time tacked on... | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | righto | 21:31 |
| Mech422 | Oh! I can custom format the dates ? lemme go RTFM :-) | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | Date macro is your friend, Mech422 ;) | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | the story manager doesn't format dates at all, it only sends epochs | 21:32 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra9f6220 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix undef template variables in the SC. Fixes bug #11087 - http://bit.ly/eXnXL | 21:39 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r56fc5b5 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix undef template variables in the SC. Fixes bug #11087 - http://bit.ly/vOfjE | 21:39 |
| +perlDreamer | there you go, preaction. All fixed. | 21:41 |
| @preaction | thanks | 21:41 |
| Mech422 | pd- Umm - I don't think creationDate is exposed ? All I get is a nicely formatted date in 1969 ? | 21:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech422, exactly which template are we talking about here? | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | the 'story | 21:46 |
| +perlDreamer | the 'story' view, or the list of stories view? | 21:46 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/10/kamwamba-windmill/ the video at the bottom is pretty cool too. | 21:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd heard about him from Makezine | 21:48 |
| +perlDreamer | it's an awesome story | 21:49 |
| Mech422 | According to hte label, its the 'Collaboration System, Thread Template' | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, in the thread template, in 7.7, the template variable creationDate does exist | 21:50 |
| * perlDreamer gets to go for a run today! | 21:50 | |
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| Mech422 | Hmm - according to hte meta tags I'm running 7.7.9 | 21:52 |
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| +cap10morgan | yep, cherry picking that commit made at least one of my sites successfully upgrade | 22:10 |
| +cap10morgan | i bet it will fix the others too | 22:10 |
| Mech422 | ^D('...',revisionDate); and ^D('....',post_loop.revisionDate); both yield mod_perl errors about not an int... | 22:12 |
| Mech422 | is there some 'self' type object I need to get the revisionDate from ? | 22:12 |
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| Mech422 | wow - ^D("...","<tmpl_var creationDate>"); ?? Thats just nasty.... :-P | 22:45 |
| Mech422 | so to pass template vars we have to manually evalaute them ? | 22:46 |
| Mech422 | Ok - on that note...time for lunch | 22:46 |
| @preaction | evaluate what? | 22:46 |
| Mech422 | you can't just pass a template var to a macro ... | 22:47 |
| @preaction | it's not Perl code, putting quotes around it doesn't cause any evaluation | 22:47 |
| Mech422 | You need to evaluate it with <tmpl_var> .... yeah | 22:47 |
| Mech422 | perhaps evaluate is a bad choice of works | 22:47 |
| @Haarg | the macro system and the template system are entirely separate | 22:47 |
| Mech422 | err...words | 22:47 |
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| Mech422 | Haarg: thanks - that sounds better | 22:47 |
| @preaction | there's a regular expression that parses the output of the template and replaces the macros. after the template is completely processed | 22:47 |
| @preaction | though with TT being the only parser in WG8, there's talk of possibly doing things differently | 22:48 |
| @Haarg | in 8 it will definitely be possible to process macros directly in the template | 22:48 |
| @Haarg | rather, call them | 22:48 |
| Mech422 | ahh - yeah, I sorta think of the macro's and templating stuff as being 'one piece' - counter intuiative to me to have to treat them seperately... | 22:50 |
| Mech422 | so the new way will prolly seem 'nicer' to me :-) | 22:50 |
| @preaction | there are a number of layers | 22:50 |
| @preaction | from Apache request to URL and content handlers through asset www_ method to template and style and macro processing | 22:51 |
| @preaction | there's a WebGUI Request Cycle diagram out there | 22:51 |
| @preaction | not sure if it reaches the macro processing stage or not | 22:51 |
| @Haarg | macro processing happens all over the place | 22:51 |
| Mech422 | wow.. | 22:52 |
| Mech422 | for python its usually just an eval_template() type call | 22:52 |
| @Haarg | macros are used in a lot of places though | 22:53 |
| @Haarg | not just in templates | 22:53 |
| Mech422 | oh - yeah - I mean python has a lot of drop-in templating languages... | 22:53 |
| @preaction | Mech422: did you say you used django before? | 22:53 |
| Mech422 | and they just generally have some sort of 'render' or 'eval' function you call | 22:53 |
| Mech422 | preaction: Not really - just played with it - I prefer wsgi myself | 22:54 |
| @preaction | we have that, but templates aren't the only thing being processed (though "style" is just a type of template) | 22:54 |
| @Haarg | i'd kind of like to move macros to be a content only thing, but that's probably too large of a change | 22:55 |
| Mech422 | I'm just more used to stuff like Mako, cheetah, genshi, tal, etc. | 22:56 |
| Mech422 | anyway - time for lunch - thanks all :-) | 22:57 |
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| zylopfa | Anyone remember it its possible to formate dates (with the date macro) so you get them in a format like its: 1 day ago, 1 hour ago etc. | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | nope | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | although, there is code in WebGUI to do that | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | so you just need a macro to call it | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | zylopfa, it's $session->datetime->secondsToInterval | 23:33 |
| zylopfa | thank you good Sir | 23:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | way to go, bopbop! | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | that's gotta be a big load off your shoulders | 23:43 |
| @bopbop | yeah, it's nice to get it done | 23:43 |
| xdanger | I have few big rfe (I'm implementing them anyway, but would like to get them included to core) and I'd like to chat about it with someone that has knowledge of the core and what's comming up with webgui. I was just thinking senfing an email to JT, but I bet he's quite busy. | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | xdanger, try the dev list | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | we can chat about it here, but JT won't know about it | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | we can chat here about it, but for official stuff, use the dev list | 23:45 |
| xdanger | I'm just not ready to share it to everyone ;) | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, gotcha | 23:45 |
| xdanger | not sure about the direction that it should go, or how to implement few things | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | well, in general, we're building AssetAspects | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | instead of building features into particular assets, we're building features that Assets can share | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | like RssFeeds, and Subscribing to assets | 23:46 |
| xdanger | But basicly I'd need a category system for all the content in webgui, a way to display that content in a dynamic way, and also predefined keyword list (or tags) | 23:47 |
| xdanger | I was thinkin about extenting the metadata system, but I'm not familiar how it works | 23:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | metadata are user defined special fields for assets | 23:48 |
| xdanger | I now something about them | 23:48 |
| xdanger | I've done this hierarchical category system for my (extented) Collaboration System using DBIx::Tree::NestedSet | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | xdanger, have you tried out Asset keywords, which are separate from metadata? | 23:50 |
| xdanger | And it really usefull for locating information out of long listings | 23:51 |
| xdanger | just tested them a little bit | 23:51 |
| xdanger | But i really nees hierarchical categories that relate in a tree structure | 23:52 |
| xdanger | need even | 23:52 |
| xdanger | And the keywords should have some kind of database and a ajax widget to select allready inserted keywords. So you dont get "feline", "cat" and "cats" | 23:54 |
| @Haarg | it does | 23:54 |
| xdanger | ok, maybe that wasn't in yet when I tested =) | 23:55 |
| @Haarg | keywords has autocomplete. i should probably adjust the timing though. | 23:55 |
| elnino | tried in two browsers | 23:55 |
| elnino | oops. =) | 23:55 |
| @Haarg | it's a bit slow and only does it for 3 or more characters | 23:55 |
| * perlDreamer heads out to pick up kids | 23:59 | |
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| @preaction | is it a stable release this week? or just beta? | 00:11 |
| @preaction | nope, just beta this week. stable next week | 00:11 |
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| xdanger | Why is there only 5 userDefinedN fields ?-) I've several times needed more =) | 00:33 |
| @Haarg | partly because any time you need more than 5 you are probably abusing the CS and should be using something else. | 00:36 |
| xdanger | partly true =) | 00:37 |
| xdanger | o, I was thinking that the webgui bug tracker was build on CS | 00:37 |
| @Haarg | used to be | 00:37 |
| xdanger | is the tracker closed source? | 00:37 |
| @Haarg | http://github.com/plainblack/helpdesk | 00:38 |
| xdanger | I'm needing a "kind of request tracker" | 00:38 |
| xdanger | was just wondering would that be suited sor the job | 00:38 |
| xdanger | for | 00:38 |
| xdanger | maybe I should go to bed, starting type too many errors | 00:39 |
| xdanger | but thanks for the link | 00:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, preaction: what do you think about updating TinyMCE to fix the bugs related to it on our boards? | 01:16 |
| @Haarg | for 7.8 yes | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | not for 7.7? | 01:17 |
| @Haarg | for 7.7, i'd have to look at how much has changed | 01:17 |
| @preaction | not for 7.7? | 01:17 |
| @Haarg | we haven't upgraded it for a while so it may be problematic | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I'll tinker with that tomorrow and see how good/bad we are. | 01:17 |
| @preaction | we've got until next week for a 7.7 release anyway | 01:17 |
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| @Haarg | we don't integrate tightly with it so it seems likely we'll be able to upgrade it in 7.7 as well | 01:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll make sure I check out all the custom stuff before doing anything that looks like commit&push | 01:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | when I submitted that Shop bug, it sure sounded easy at the time | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Now I think I'm going to have to add a custom driver that is group protected so that the average user cannot see it | 01:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | wgd -F my.conf reset --delcache! | 02:39 |
| @Haarg | at some point i should probably fully document how wgd calculates the webgui root and config file based on its various inputs | 02:40 |
| @Haarg | there's still one case that i don't know how it handles it | 02:41 |
| +perlDreamer | it has taken on a life of its own | 02:41 |
| @Haarg | it's the one case i can think of that i don't have tested yet | 02:42 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r2a1f038 / t/Storage.t : small cleanups to storage test - http://bit.ly/2ktgpa | 02:42 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r5ecc986 / lib/WebGUI/AssetPackage.pm : prevent duplicate package importing in upgrades from failing - http://bit.ly/Lzokn | 02:42 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * r374430a / lib/WebGUI/AssetExportHtml.pm : correct error detection code in export - http://bit.ly/oYV0F | 02:44 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * r00a08aa / t/Storage.t : small cleanups to storage test - http://bit.ly/2fsvt3 | 02:44 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * r74a1aae / lib/WebGUI/AssetPackage.pm : prevent duplicate package importing in upgrades from failing - http://bit.ly/XMJuf | 02:44 |
| +perlDreamer | whoa! backportage. | 02:44 |
| @preaction | i have a bad feeling about tomorrow's upgrade. | 02:47 |
| +perlDreamer | why? | 02:48 |
| @preaction | every site i've upgraded so far has had template issues | 02:48 |
| @preaction | i just did one, navigation completely busted | 02:48 |
| +perlDreamer | webgui.org is immune to that since it's on 7.8.0 | 02:48 |
| +perlDreamer | and it has already gone through 7.7.15 | 02:48 |
| +perlDreamer | which is the great template swizzle of 2009 | 02:48 |
| +perlDreamer | it shall go fine | 02:48 |
| @preaction | oh, sorry, tomorrow we're upgrading all our genpop sites to 7.7.21 | 02:48 |
| +perlDreamer | awesome! | 02:49 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, you're totally screwed | 02:49 |
| +perlDreamer | do you want some help? | 02:49 |
| @preaction | i think i can get this one, but if this isn't it i might | 02:49 |
| @preaction | oh, tomorrow? no need, you'll have enough to do, and JT and Graham will be on-deck | 02:50 |
| @preaction | all three of us will be doing upgrades all night | 02:50 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: CAN I BORROW SOME OF UR BRAINPOWER PLZ? | 02:51 |
| @preaction | not right now, plzkthx | 02:52 |
| @Haarg | can you think of a reason to not have wgd test always turn on recursive? | 02:52 |
| @Haarg | and possibly just eliminate the -A option and have it specify t if a test file isn't listed | 02:52 |
| * perlDreamer has to go make dinner | 02:56 | |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I think it should work like prove, and specify recursive by default | 02:57 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe it could be a wgd config to make it recursive all the time? | 02:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: http://use.perl.org/~masak/journal/39716 (for furthering your TDD drive) | 04:05 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, do you think it would be a problem to backport the change that broke your modperl? | 04:06 |
| @preaction | i like it! i need it! | 04:09 |
| +perlDreamer | not as long as it goes in the gotchas | 04:09 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, the funny thing is, that's how I write tests when I write for coverage | 04:10 |
| +perlDreamer | or POD | 04:10 |
| @preaction | but now i have to make parmesan chicken or else i'll never get sleep and never get any work done tomorrow (again) | 04:10 |
| @preaction | people are gonna stop being so pleased with me if i don't start getting work done :'( | 04:10 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, it's holding up backporting the test changes, which is why i want it | 04:13 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I had a bad apache config file in the first place, so it shouldn't be a problem. | 04:14 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 04:14 |
| @Haarg | http://gist.github.com/202670 seem good? | 04:19 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah. That's great! | 04:21 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, what should we do about the thumb- prefix on uploaded files? | 04:23 |
| @Haarg | i really don't know. rename them on upload? | 04:23 |
| @Haarg | that's about the best option i can think of. | 04:23 |
| * perlDreamer wishes we'd made _our_ prefix wgthumb-, so there wouldn't be a problem any longer | 04:24 | |
| @Haarg | would still be a problem | 04:24 |
| +perlDreamer | grrr. yeah. | 04:24 |
| @Haarg | the case that the bug report was from, she downloaded an image from webgui.org | 04:24 |
| @Haarg | and it was a thumbnail | 04:24 |
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| @Haarg | i'm confirming that i didn't break anything, but i should have all the new test stuff backported in a few minutes | 04:26 |
| +perlDreamer | awesome | 04:26 |
| * perlDreamer can't wait to stop typing {tagsToRollback,{storages,users,groups}ToDelete} | 04:26 | |
| @Haarg | you can also omit WebGUI::Test-> if you want | 04:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I saw that you exported that | 04:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I can blog about the new testing cleanup, unless you want to. | 04:29 |
| @Haarg | feel free | 04:29 |
| @Haarg | something to note: diag and note work differently now | 04:29 |
| @Haarg | diag will output always, note will only get output in verbose mode | 04:30 |
| @Haarg | previously because it was outputting everything on stdout, diag got swallowed without -v | 04:31 |
| @Haarg | it also swallowed the debug output from failed tests | 04:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I customized it too much for my own workflow | 04:32 |
| daviddelikat | is there an easy way to calculate the 10-digit date code used in WG database fields? | 04:32 |
| +perlDreamer | time() | 04:32 |
| +perlDreamer | it's an epoch | 04:32 |
| @Haarg | calculate based on what? | 04:32 |
| daviddelikat | I need to convert three dates into epoch values | 04:33 |
| daviddelikat | I should know the function for it but I cant remember | 04:33 |
| +perlDreamer | to_unixtime() | 04:33 |
| @Haarg | i really need to s/$session->datetime->time/time/ the entire codebase | 04:33 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 04:33 |
| +perlDreamer | let's make two method calls across different objects to call a builtin | 04:34 |
| daviddelikat | you could try something like *DateTime::time = *CORE::time | 04:34 |
| daviddelikat | then it would optimize to what you want | 04:35 |
| @Haarg | that would only eliminate one sub call | 04:35 |
| @Haarg | it would still have 2-3 method lookups | 04:35 |
| +perlDreamer | find . -name '*.pm' -print | xargs perl -pi -e 's/session->datetime->time/time/g' | 04:36 |
| @Haarg | i wish it was that simple | 04:37 |
| @Haarg | test stuff is backported | 04:37 |
| +perlDreamer | find . -name '*.pm' -print | xargs perl -pi -e 's/\$(?:self->)?session->datetime->time/time/g' | 04:37 |
| daviddelikat | something tells me you could get away with calling a change like that a feature... | 04:38 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it's a bugfix | 04:39 |
| +perlDreamer | for performance | 04:39 |
| daviddelikat | so is there a perl function that will give me the epoch? | 04:39 |
| +perlDreamer | time() | 04:39 |
| @Haarg | time | 04:39 |
| * perlDreamer is hoping preaction will GPL his parmesan chicken recipe | 04:40 | |
| daviddelikat | I meant the epoch for a givfen date string | 04:42 |
| @Haarg | depends on the format | 04:42 |
| @Haarg | but you probably want something in DateTime or WebGUI::DateTime | 04:42 |
| +perlDreamer | my $epochDate = WebGUI::DateTime->new($mysqlDate)->epoch; | 04:43 |
| @Haarg | WebGUI::DateTime needs a session doesn't it? | 04:43 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 04:43 |
| +perlDreamer | it's optional | 04:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I was just in there a few days ago | 04:43 |
| +perlDreamer | because you couldn't send it '' as a date | 04:43 |
| +perlDreamer | and it made some of the Form::Date{,Time}.pm corner cases behave badly | 04:44 |
| daviddelikat | I seem to be doing something wrong... http://webgui.pastebin.com/d61f57cf9 | 04:50 |
| @Haarg | find docs lib t sbin -type f -exec perl -pi -e's/\$(?:self->)?(?:session->)?datetime->time\b/time/g' {} + | 04:52 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, any reason not to make that change and mark the method as deprecated? | 04:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I see no reason not to do that | 04:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I think you need to be careful about $datetime->time though | 04:54 |
| @Haarg | i verified all of the changes | 04:54 |
| +perlDreamer | is time a DateTime method? | 04:54 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 04:54 |
| daviddelikat | could you guys comment on my date attempt? | 04:54 |
| @Haarg | don't believe so | 04:54 |
| daviddelikat | when you have a sec | 04:54 |
| +perlDreamer | it is a DateTime method, but seems rare | 04:54 |
| +perlDreamer | ->time means the same as hms (hours minutes seconds) | 04:55 |
| @Haarg | daviddelikat, it expects a full mysql format date if you specify it like that | 04:55 |
| @Haarg | "2009-10-10 00:00:00" | 04:56 |
| daviddelikat | thanks I'll try it | 04:56 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r60a4a9b / (56 files in 15 dirs): mark $session->datetime->time as deprecated and remove its use from core code - http://bit.ly/islSu | 04:56 |
| @Haarg | i'm liking git add -p more and more | 04:57 |
| @Haarg | oop | 04:57 |
| +perlDreamer | oop? | 04:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I take it that's not short for object oriented programming | 04:58 |
| daviddelikat | well, its better, but it give me a date for 7PM the previous day... | 04:58 |
| +perlDreamer | It's UTC | 04:58 |
| @Haarg | it's adjusting for time zone | 04:58 |
| daviddelikat | shouldn't localtime bring it back to my time zone? | 04:59 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r19e4c96 / lib/WebGUI/Session/DateTime.pm : fix silly typo - http://bit.ly/1Jxkd | 04:59 |
| @Haarg | ^oop | 04:59 |
| @Haarg | the one change i made manually i screwed up | 04:59 |
| @Haarg | and didn't do a syntax check of course | 05:00 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, before you do the next release, can you update your wgdev and double check that the create.sql file it makes is working properly? | 05:05 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 05:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll give it a try now | 05:05 |
| @Haarg | test with wgd reset --import | 05:06 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 05:06 |
| +perlDreamer | or, !?f=ins | 05:06 |
| @Haarg | might want to verify that the tables have the correct engine and character set as well | 05:07 |
| @Haarg | should be more compatible with innodb now for whenever we make that change | 05:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | installs okay | 05:09 |
| daviddelikat | now seems like a good time to do a merge on my wg git repo... | 05:13 |
| +perlDreamer | table types look okay | 05:16 |
| +perlDreamer | what's the command for checking character types in the db, Haarg? | 05:16 |
| @Haarg | show create table blah | 05:16 |
| @Haarg | should list the type at the end | 05:16 |
| @Haarg | character set that is | 05:17 |
| +perlDreamer | 3/3 tables all say utf8 | 05:18 |
| @Haarg | ok | 05:18 |
| @Haarg | sounds good then | 05:18 |
| +perlDreamer | definitely | 05:18 |
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| @Haarg | although i like the changes i made to create.sql, it does have one problem | 05:19 |
| @Haarg | which is that it would mask any case where an upgrade script was creating latin1 tables | 05:19 |
| @Haarg | but i still can't duplicate that. | 05:20 |
| +perlDreamer | we'll just need to check by hand that they're all set to utf8 | 05:20 |
| @Haarg | i really should just put in a git hook so it automatically tidies everything in my wgdev repo | 05:24 |
| CIA-56 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r8627bf2 / lib/WGDev/Command/Mail.pm : Perl::Critic and speed cleanups to mail command - http://bit.ly/1nXJrB | 05:32 |
| CIA-56 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * rb388ceb / (lib/WGDev/Command/Build.pm lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm): Perl::Critic fixes - http://bit.ly/Nkn40 | 05:32 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Graham Knop master * ra3a8081 / t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t : add test some extra diag info to export test - http://bit.ly/3Eto6m | 05:41 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r0260ec2 / docs/gotcha.txt : note gotcha about WebGUI::Config - http://bit.ly/2QxbPs | 05:41 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r6c4b4d1 / t/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.t : silence extra debug when not running verbose tests - http://bit.ly/Dhk4i | 05:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | good night, Haarg | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: that's what you get for overbooking a server | 06:34 |
| @preaction | bah, as though | 06:34 |
| @preaction | server is fine until spectre decides to do its daily maintenance tasks and hourly maintenance tasks and send queued e-mail messages all at once | 06:35 |
| @preaction | then i have to wake up and babysit for an hour | 06:35 |
| @preaction | that's 180 requests in a second or so | 06:35 |
| +perlDreamer | that's only 5 milliseconds per request | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | should be no problem at all | 06:39 |
| @preaction | what will it do with the other 2 milliseconds? | 06:39 |
| +perlDreamer | that's for interface inefficiency, for HTTP | 06:45 |
| @preaction | of course! | 06:46 |
| @preaction | hate when that happens | 06:46 |
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| @preaction | oh dear jesus i just realized i've been up since 11:00pm yesterday | 07:01 |
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| elnino | hmm. is there a place in webgui (like settings) where it tells me what version of wre I've got running? | 07:22 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 07:22 |
| elnino | making rfe... | 07:22 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, WebGUI may not be running on the WRE | 07:23 |
| +perlDreamer | so it will be difficult to do that | 07:23 |
| +perlDreamer | It would be better to make an RFE against the WRE to set some kind of header | 07:24 |
| +perlDreamer | but then it would give away what you're using, which is bad for security | 07:24 |
| elnino | hmm. does spectre know wnything about wre? | 07:25 |
| +perlDreamer | nope | 07:25 |
| elnino | hmm. | 07:25 |
| +perlDreamer | you want to be able to ask a server where you don't have permissions to login? | 07:25 |
| elnino | no, just lazy. | 07:26 |
| elnino | but I suspect others might? | 07:26 |
| +perlDreamer | one could probably ask that question on the support board, and get a speedy answer | 07:27 |
| elnino | or maybe not | 07:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | 'night, all! | 07:46 |
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| +bartjol | No martien here? | 15:02 |
| +bartjol | I think I solved his bug | 15:03 |
| +bartjol | someone put double quotes inside a double quoted sql statement in Thread.pm | 15:04 |
| +bartjol | that doesn't work :) | 15:05 |
| +bartjol | also no faxioman? | 15:10 |
| +bartjol | that statement was wrong actually | 16:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, everybody! | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry I'm late, I had to start a pot roast | 19:05 |
| @Haarg | morning | 19:06 |
| * perlDreamer likes it when users notify about duplicate tickets, and solve bugs! | 19:07 | |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, is there any chance that cleanupGuard would cause the cleanup to happen early? | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I converted t/Storage.t to use cleanupGuard, and now I'm getting test failures | 19:16 |
| @Haarg | it happens as soon as the object it returns goes out of scope | 19:16 |
| @Haarg | it should never happen before that | 19:16 |
| @Haarg | one possible problem is re-use of storage objects | 19:17 |
| @Haarg | not sure what adjustments you made to deal with that | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | none, yet | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 19:17 |
| @Haarg | i think it does re-use the variables a bunch, i'm not certain though | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I think I got it. | 19:18 |
| +perlDreamer | cleanupGuard != objectsToDelete | 19:18 |
| @Haarg | indeed | 19:18 |
| @Haarg | if you are just converting old tests addToCleanup is probably easier | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | definitely | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | the good news is that it's working perfectly | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | the bad news is that I'm not :/ | 19:19 |
| daviddelikat | I'm having trouble with WG version mismatch between code and database | 19:36 |
| daviddelikat | I've run wgd reset with no failures | 19:37 |
| daviddelikat | but it still does not get the correct version in the database | 19:37 |
| daviddelikat | I am running WG-blead | 19:37 |
| daviddelikat | ( I just pulled the latest code last night | 19:37 |
| daviddelikat | ) | 19:37 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, if you're running the master branch, they won't match | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | the version in the database will be 1 notch behind the code | 19:40 |
| daviddelikat | ok thanks | 19:41 |
| daviddelikat | I discovered the wgd version command and I have been seing red ever since! | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | you should | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, preaction: now that 7.8 is out, can we remove WebGUI::Storage::Image from it? | 19:44 |
| @preaction | wouldn't that be an API change? | 19:45 |
| +perlDreamer | nope | 19:45 |
| +perlDreamer | look inside it | 19:45 |
| @preaction | could people instanciate WebGUI::Storage::Image? | 19:45 |
| +perlDreamer | today? yes. But it's been marked deprecated since Nov 26 | 19:46 |
| @preaction | it can't be removed until 8, otherwise custom code could break | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | bopbop: we're coming up on another noteworthy change | 19:53 |
| @bopbop | ok | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | starting with 7.7.22 and 7.8.1, WebGUI will change filenames on files that are uploaded that are named 'thumb-whatever' | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | it'll remove the thumb- | 19:53 |
| @bopbop | ok- I'll make a note to include that in the next round of books | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | am I flooding you with too much info yet? | 19:55 |
| @bopbop | no, I'm trying to keep track of it all | 19:55 |
| daviddelikat | writing tests before code is very helpfull... | 20:14 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0e94d42 / (4 files in 4 dirs): | 20:14 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Fix bug 10916: files prefixed with thumb- cause errors. | 20:14 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Rename files that are uploaded to remove thumb-. - http://bit.ly/dppLQ | 20:14 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * raa5818c / (4 files in 4 dirs): | 20:14 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Fix bug 10916: files prefixed with thumb- cause errors. | 20:14 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Rename files that are uploaded to remove thumb-. - http://bit.ly/4pA0p | 20:14 |
| daviddelikat | I've already isolaken hours lolocate otherswiseted several problems which could have ta | 20:14 |
| daviddelikat | I have touch pad mouse interface | 20:15 |
| daviddelikat | all you have to do is touch it and your typing in the wrong place... | 20:15 |
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| dionak | when writing form controls, is the www_ method called by default, no matter what the method name is? | 21:38 |
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| @preaction | dionak: not that i know of | 21:41 |
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| dionak | thanks preaction. does anyone know of an online guide to writing form controls? | 21:44 |
| dionak | nothing in the wiki that i saw | 21:44 |
| @preaction | not that i know of | 21:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | dionak: what do you need to know? | 22:31 |
| dionak | i think general convention would be a good starting place. i've noticed the subclassing in the form controls and am getting a handle on what the different controls are useful for. | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I have a Form controls spreadsheet that might be of use | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll post it to the dev list | 22:33 |
| dionak | oh, that would be great | 22:33 |
| @preaction | dionak: i can give you a cheat-sheet that might be interesting to you, if you give me your e-mail address | 22:34 |
| dionak | sure, it's diona at knowmad.com | 22:34 |
| @preaction | done | 22:35 |
| +perlDreamer | sent | 22:38 |
| dionak | thanks to you both | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Has anyone heard from the dutch team recently? | 22:39 |
| dionak | i briefly spoke to rogier last week on IM | 22:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | bbiaw | 23:08 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Why does the picasa plugin require Microsoft Windows XP or higher? Picasa has software for mac and linux. | 23:11 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | Heh when I go to the linked picasa.google.com it tells me that the requirements are a linux system. | 23:13 |
| @preaction | probably because the plugin itself is compiled for windows? | 23:14 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ah, I thought it was a webgui plugin to import picasa images. It's a browser plugin to send photos from picasa to webgui. That makes sense. | 23:16 |
| @Haarg | daviddelikat, i think i'm going to change the wgd version command to be a bit more clear. i initially made it to be used in the release process but it is obviously useful outside that. | 23:44 |
| elnino | I was rereading http://www.webgui.org/webgui/dev/discuss/the-death-of-the-collaboration-system, has anything been happening with the cs? | 23:46 |
| elnino | or is that goign to be 7.8? | 23:46 |
| dionak | JT mentioned at the WUC that it's too early to deprecate it. They are working on more specific assets to replace functionality. | 23:48 |
| dionak | No date or version was known for deprecation | 23:49 |
| @Haarg | it will be around for a long time | 23:49 |
| @Haarg | the idea for now is that we aren't adding new features to it | 23:49 |
| @Haarg | and will be building replacement assets for the common uses of the collaboration system | 23:49 |
| @Haarg | and including scripts to convert from the CS to those assets | 23:50 |
| elnino | hmm | 23:50 |
| @Haarg | eventually we might be in a position to remove the CS, but that is a very long way off | 23:50 |
| elnino | I know that cs is extremely malliable, but it seems to be confusing to customers. They think that webgui doesn't have a blog, or a link list. | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | create prototypes for those things, to make it easier | 23:51 |
| elnino | when in fact it's the cs with certain settings. | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | like the one for the request tracker | 23:51 |
| elnino | yeah, | 23:51 |
| elnino | so.. why make specific assets ? I'm surprised that the prototypes aren't in webgui right now. | 23:52 |
| elnino | or did I miss something. | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | specific assets are smaller, faster, function better | 23:52 |
| @Haarg | because all of the various uses of the cs have different needs | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | compare Story Manager to CS | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | or Gallery | 23:53 |
| @Haarg | and it's very hard to make the CS go those things well because of its general nature | 23:53 |
| @Haarg | adds an ever increasing possibility of adding bugs and makes it slower and slower over time | 23:53 |
| elnino | Im assuming that the will be subclassed from somthing similar to cd? | 23:54 |
| elnino | s/cd/cs | 23:54 |
| elnino | because thay are all very similar in many ways | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan: do you know if the exit codes in syncToCdn are significant in any way? | 23:55 |
| +cap10morgan | nope, i didn't write it :) | 23:55 |
| +cap10morgan | nope as in i don't know | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | gotcha ;) | 23:56 |
| dionak | what does it mean when a form is DynamicCompatible? | 23:57 |
| elnino | like bernd says on that thread, they (story board, message, gallery, etc) all have contatainer, issue, post type-structures. | 23:57 |
| dionak | form control, that is | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | dionak, it means it can be used in User Profile, and Thingy. | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Places that dynamically create form controls | 23:57 |
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| dionak | hm, ok. | 23:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino, what thread? | 23:59 |
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| elnino | death of cs link is way up above | 00:00 |
| carogray | Beginning of template toolkit question... | 00:00 |
| elnino | http://www.webgui.org/webgui/dev/discuss/the-death-of-the-collaboration-system | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, that thread | 00:00 |
| carogray | If I have a page layout template that is definitely a template toolkit template, but it works together with a style template that does not by itself have template toolkit syntax in it, do I have to make the Template Type for the style Template Template Toolkit | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | carogray, no | 00:01 |
| carogray | k thanks. | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, preaction has proposed a generic container/child asset from which lots of different applications could be easily built, but it's only gone as far as proposing. | 00:04 |
| elnino | that makes sense to me.. but for now, I'm debating whether I should use the wiki so I can have the tag cloud, or the cs so I can have it look like a blog. =( | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | how about if you abstract out the tag cloud from the wiki as an asset aspect, so that _any_ asset could use it? | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | it could be your first core contribution! | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | and one may have already been started, perhaps at the pre-WUC hackathon | 00:06 |
| * perlDreamer has to go pick up the kids from school, bbiaw | 00:09 | |
| elnino | is this "aspect" concept new? I guess I only read about it in the thread, but not anywhere else yet. | 00:15 |
| @Haarg | it's more of a back end thing. the only impact it has the the front end is more consistency for similar functions. | 00:17 |
| elnino | would creating an aspect allow me to use a tag cloud for cs? or would that be considered adding a new feature to cs? | 00:27 |
| @Haarg | that would be adding new features to the CS | 00:29 |
| elnino | which is not happening at this time. =( | 00:30 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, regarding the change you made with to the WEBGUI_TEST_DEBUG code | 00:50 |
| @Haarg | were you running into a problem where it wasn't cleaning up the main test session properly? | 00:51 |
| @Haarg | i kind of hate the change you made - it does very evil things with the session object | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | it wasn't cleaning up the main session, or, it was reporting that it wasn't cleaning up the main session | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I was getting delta notices for every test | 01:05 |
| @Haarg | hmm | 01:05 |
| @Haarg | i didn't have that problem | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | well, I doubt that this is like the setUid/uploads issue that I was having | 01:06 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | howdy, SquOnk | 01:08 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Hey there | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm 1/2-way through the POD bug | 01:08 |
| SquOnk | I just got 7.7.21 running on Debian Sid. Once you fix that and release 7.7.22 will be ready to upload. | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.7.22 comes out next week | 01:09 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I know. | 01:09 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, do you see anything obvious wrong with the WEBGUI_TEST_DEBUG code as I had it previously? i'm trying to figure out what would cause it to have deltas due to the main session. | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it was showing deltas because it was doing counts before the session object was cleaned up | 01:12 |
| @Haarg | but it was taking the initial counts after it created the main session | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | how 'bout this? let's revert it. I'll rerun the test suite and we'll see what happens. | 01:13 |
| @Haarg | ok | 01:14 |
| @Haarg | the thing is that with the code the way it is not, the session object half comes back to life after being closed | 01:14 |
| @Haarg | it re-inits the errorhandler | 01:14 |
| @Haarg | and some other stuff | 01:14 |
| @Haarg | it works at the moment, but sessions really aren't supposed to be used after being closed | 01:15 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rca7a285 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt sbin/syncToCdn.pl): Use proper POD for syncToCdn.pl's docs. Fixes bug #11100 - http://bit.ly/16PnpD | 01:20 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r4721ba2 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt sbin/syncToCdn.pl): Use proper POD for syncToCdn.pl's docs. Fixes bug #11100 - http://bit.ly/jHG4l | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, how do I cherry pick a rev to revert in git? | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | something like svn merge -c -NUM | 01:22 |
| @Haarg | git revert <id> | 01:22 |
| @Haarg | hold on a sec though | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | holding... | 01:24 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: printHelp() is now useless. Remove it ;-) | 01:26 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, http://gist.github.com/203512 | 01:28 |
| @Haarg | apply that and run one of the simpler tests | 01:28 |
| @Haarg | has more debug stuff about leaked sessions | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 01:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | I need some git help, though | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe not | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | git reset --hard HEAD^ | 01:30 |
| @Haarg | yep | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, ran it on t/Session.t. Got a delta of 4 | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | 1 of the 4 is the main test session | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | If I run it on t/Asset/Asset.t, I still get a delta of 4. 1 of the 4 is the main session again. | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | the two sets of 4 are different | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, their only difference is the main test session | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | but the delta should not be 4 for the 2nd test run | 01:37 |
| @Haarg | the debug output includes all of the sessions and should include the main session | 01:38 |
| @Haarg | http://gist.github.com/203522 | 01:41 |
| @Haarg | can you apply that as well - it will report the sessions at the beginning as well | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 01:41 |
| @Haarg | that you are getting a delta is very odd | 01:42 |
| @Haarg | s/delta/delta of 4/ | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | it's even more odd that it's happening on a test what shouldn't add more sessions | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | but at least we know the main session is being cleaned up | 01:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to run the same sequence | 01:43 |
| +perlDreamer | t/Session.t, then t/Asset/Asset.t | 01:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll capture all the output so I can paste it | 01:43 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | those session ids exist _before_ the test is run | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | but that doesn't explain why they're reported as a delta | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/203523 | 01:46 |
| @Haarg | it's not though | 01:46 |
| @Haarg | delta +0 | 01:46 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:46 |
| @Haarg | so it appears it's working as i would have expected and not leaking or detecting any leaks | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | let me run it on the whole suite | 01:48 |
| @Haarg | should i turn on WEBGUI_TEST_DEBUG on buildbot? | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I would | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I guess I owe you an apology for hacking your code. It's not doing anything bad. | 02:02 |
| @Haarg | eh, it would be best if we could verify that the main session was closed | 02:02 |
| @Haarg | but the only options for that are rather ugly | 02:03 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we could use a zz_leak test? | 02:03 |
| +perlDreamer | that helps with the suite, but not an individual test | 02:04 |
| @Haarg | well, if we really want to make sure the main session is cleaned up it can be done | 02:04 |
| @Haarg | but i think it's fine to just assume it is going to be cleaned up properly | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | so those sessions that show up from the get go. Those are from the upgrade script? | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | and wgd? | 02:12 |
| @Haarg | i'm not sure actually | 02:14 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r48b4d91 / (lib/WebGUI/DateTime.pm t/DateTime.t): Allow a bare MySQL date (no time) to be used in WebGUI::DateTime's constructor. - http://bit.ly/FqDcZ | 02:48 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r044478f / (lib/WebGUI/DateTime.pm t/DateTime.t): Allow a bare MySQL date (no time) to be used in WebGUI::DateTime's constructor. - http://bit.ly/wKkyX | 02:48 |
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| @preaction | you know, with how many times i added . " 00:00:00", i should've just done that... | 02:57 |
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| perigrin | you forget sometimes you've interalized the pain | 02:58 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd999b01 / t/supporting_collateral/thumb-thumb.gif : Add some missing test collateral for Storage.t - http://bit.ly/77znk | 03:05 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r34d9521 / t/supporting_collateral/thumb-thumb.gif : Add some missing test collateral for Storage.t - http://bit.ly/2RRTAH | 03:05 |
| @preaction | i'm still for thumbs being a directory, not the beginning of a filename | 03:06 |
| @Haarg | storage locations are allowed to have subdirectories though so i'm not sure how much that helps | 03:07 |
| @preaction | getFiles goes into subdirectories? | 03:07 |
| @Haarg | yes | 03:07 |
| @preaction | huh, i never noticed | 03:07 |
| @preaction | nm then | 03:07 |
| @Haarg | it's a somewhat recent change | 03:08 |
| +perlDreamer | that was a bug that Susan posted, that was mistakenly moved to RFE-land, and then moved back to bugs. | 03:08 |
| @Haarg | there are a few possible ways it could be improved, but changing existing storage locations is going to be quite tricky | 03:09 |
| * perlDreamer is going to take a dinner break. | 03:10 | |
| +perlDreamer | Props to the patspam-man. | 03:10 |
| +patspam | word daddy dreamer | 03:10 |
| +patspam | he says from under a pile of work | 03:11 |
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| @preaction | What if upgrade checked if isDefault is not set and warned the user about the template? | 03:36 |
| @preaction | isDefault doesn't get set after a user changes a default template | 03:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | they should not edit the template | 04:03 |
| +perlDreamer | at that point, the upgrade script does 'drop table asset'; | 04:03 |
| +perlDreamer | and blows a raspberry | 04:03 |
| +perlDreamer | is anyone sitting on bugs or other commits to 7.8.1? | 04:07 |
| @preaction | nope | 04:08 |
| @Haarg | nope | 04:08 |
| +perlDreamer | all righty, then. Here we go! | 04:08 |
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| CIA-56 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r75eb5d1 / lib/WGDev/Command/Version.pm : | 04:25 |
| CIA-56 | wgdev: clean up output from version command | 04:25 |
| CIA-56 | wgdev: Clarify that the database version came from the create.sql script. Add | 04:25 |
| CIA-56 | wgdev: the version of the live database. Use magenta for mismatched versions | 04:25 |
| CIA-56 | wgdev: that aren't necessarily errors. Instead of adding extra error text for | 04:25 |
| CIA-56 | wgdev: mismatches, set exit code. - http://bit.ly/PueWT | 04:25 |
| +perlDreamer | that's odd. looks like we lost a bunch of tests | 04:28 |
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| @Haarg | ? | 04:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought we had over 15,000, but the latest prove run was 14561 | 04:28 |
| +perlDreamer | yo, tavisto. | 04:28 |
| @Haarg | CODE_COP on or off? | 04:28 |
| @tavisto | hmm.. haarg are you guys doing something on the shared hosting customers | 04:29 |
| @Haarg | yes | 04:29 |
| @preaction | the upgrade | 04:29 |
| @preaction | they know about this | 04:29 |
| @preaction | they were notified | 04:29 |
| @tavisto | okay then. Isn't there supposed to be a maintenance screen showing? | 04:29 |
| @preaction | there is, for the sites being upgrades | 04:29 |
| @tavisto | gotcha, alright.. I'll let the customer know | 04:30 |
| @preaction | which customer? | 04:30 |
| +perlDreamer | CODE_COP is off. but that's normal for me | 04:31 |
| @preaction | the template tests are now part of CODE_COP | 04:31 |
| @preaction | the packed template tests, i mean | 04:31 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a problem with that | 04:31 |
| @preaction | that was 1000+ right there | 04:31 |
| +perlDreamer | that's likely it | 04:31 |
| +perlDreamer | but critic_labels takes 40 minutes to run on RH* | 04:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: having a hiccup on upgrading a server | 05:23 |
| @Haarg | which server? | 05:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | if there were more patspams, then WebGUI will benefit greatly | 06:19 |
| elnino | http://www.webgui.org/develop/wiki/aspects - not helpful. I'm assuming that AssetAspects should go into /lib/AssetAspects? | 06:51 |
| @preaction | elnino: yes | 06:56 |
| elnino | and where would I find what has allready been started at the hackathon? | 06:57 |
| elnino | and from that wiki, it sounds like keywords has already been started - hmm. by knowmad | 06:58 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Patrick Donelan padre * r794a534 / (lib/WebGUI/Content/Padre.pm sbin/installPadre.pl): Added Padre content handler and install script - http://bit.ly/10r3Sv | 06:58 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Patrick Donelan padre * r6db7bfd / lib/WebGUI/Content/Padre.pm : fix js mimetype - http://bit.ly/3hUTU9 | 06:58 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Patrick Donelan padre * rcf2e417 / lib/WebGUI/Content/Padre.pm : Changed to support Padre::Plugin::WebGUI 0.03 - http://bit.ly/cHswl | 06:58 |
| elnino | dionak, did you guys start a aspect for keywords? | 06:58 |
| elnino | s/aspect/assetaspect | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | lib/WebGUI/AssetAspects | 06:59 |
| -!- Radix_ changed the topic of #webgui to: [7.7.21-stable | 7.8.1-beta | WRE 0.9.3] Before you ask, check the wiki: http://wiki.webgui.org | Pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com | 06:59 | |
| +perlDreamer | soon, Radix_ | 06:59 |
| Radix_ | Soon? | 07:00 |
| Radix_ | I just got your email ;) | 07:00 |
| elnino | and my devel guide is for 7.5, is ther eanything in there, that is closely related to how aspects are writen? or is this new in 7.7? | 07:01 |
| +perlDreamer | it's new for 7.7, elnino | 07:01 |
| +perlDreamer | but RssFeed is a good model | 07:01 |
| elnino | I meant "is ther anything in the book I can read up on" | 07:02 |
| elnino | my 7.5 book. =( | 07:02 |
| elnino | but I'll look at the rssfeed code. | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | afaik, nothing has been published for writing AssetAspects | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, now it's all done | 07:04 |
| elnino | when will karma be able to purchase books? | 07:06 |
| @preaction | probably never | 07:07 |
| elnino | =( | 07:07 |
| elnino | umm. so, in the 7.7.21 upgrade, in the templates, are they all h3 for the title? | 07:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I think that's what they chose | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be in the design wiki, and the Template Working Group forum | 07:15 |
| elnino | I'm trying to find that in the release notes. Is there a gotcha on the website anywhere? I always extract it... | 07:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino: http://www.webgui.org/design/template-working-group/h1-vs-h2-in-pagelayout-templates#iX42nmZDbF9G-BUQiqsYpA | 07:17 |
| elnino | Thank you.. your fast. | 07:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I knew where to look ;) | 07:18 |
| elnino | Interesting, I think I posted a bug report like that too. | 07:24 |
| elnino | is there a place I can find the default font-sizes and styles for h1-h6? I have to recreate them now. | 07:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I think you'd find that in the style sheet | 07:29 |
| +perlDreamer | either layout.css, or webgui.css | 07:29 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam1, patspam, patspam2 may know, since he is in that group | 07:30 |
| elnino | no, I mean html's defaults. | 07:30 |
| +perlDreamer | no clue | 07:30 |
| * elnino tries to decipher www.w3.org | 07:30 | |
| elnino | http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/sample.html | 07:31 |
| +perlDreamer | your fast | 07:31 |
| elnino | =) | 07:32 |
| elnino | it's not showing me everything, because I know some are italizized and stuff, but this gives me the sizes at lest. | 07:32 |
| elnino | s/lest/least | 07:32 |
| elnino | hmm. I gues they are not. | 07:36 |
| elnino | ack. horizontal menu now looks like a tab menu. | 07:39 |
| elnino | patspam2, do you know anything about how the navigation templates have been modified? | 07:40 |
| elnino | horizontal menu now has some shading to make it look like tabs. | 07:40 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, the TWG is pretty quick about answering questions on the Design forum | 07:41 |
| * perlDreamer needs to head to bed. | 07:43 | |
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| elnino | never mind. figured it out. | 08:04 |
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| CIA-56 | WebGUI: translation * r12373 /translations/German/German/ (7 files): Updating German on translation server | 11:09 |
| CIA-56 | WebGUI: translation * r12374 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (8 files): Updating Dutch on translation server | 11:09 |
| +bartjol | KlausH: you beat me | 11:09 |
| +bartjol | KlausH: do you also have you're own translation for the stable? | 11:12 |
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| @preaction | Good morning early peoples! | 14:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | preaction, what are you doing up already?!?! | 14:17 |
| @preaction | who says i ever went to sleep? | 14:17 |
| @preaction | apparently i have this "every other day" sleep pattern going | 14:17 |
| @preaction | it's not something i'd recommend :p | 14:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | don't worry | 14:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | I was planning on that | 14:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | wsn't* | 14:18 |
| +bartjol | and another upload for language options | 14:19 |
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| +bartjol | cool all svn commits in translations seem to be on epoch start date according to the rss feed https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/rss/translations/German/ | 14:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah, they're outdated | 14:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | no go make new ones! =) | 14:29 |
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| +bartjol | :) | 14:38 |
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| bartjo1 | carogray: I also submitted a macro that chcks for the existing languages and shows liks to add a language scratch variable | 17:38 |
| bartjo1 | so more imporvements on the internationalisation | 17:38 |
| carogray | bartjo1:I think by the time I am ready for your internationalisation stuff, your stuff will be perfect! | 17:39 |
| carogray | I am working on Steve's Template Toolkit thing right now | 17:39 |
| bartjo1 | aah cool | 17:39 |
| carogray | one day I will be able to use your macro I am sure of it, but not yet for a while. so many other things to fix | 17:39 |
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| bartjo1 | Haarg: I'm not sure, but since we're gonna offer stuff to set those language override in the core, should I also test my macro so that can join it? end user options might be usefull :) | 17:42 |
| wgGuest68 | hi, folks. i was wondering if/when webgui virtual machine version will be updated | 17:42 |
| bartjo1 | the vmware appliance? sorry, dunno | 17:43 |
| wgGuest68 | sorry, yes, the appliance | 17:43 |
| wgGuest68 | i'm running the latest appliance version, and it works great | 17:44 |
| bartjo1 | can't you upgrade webgui inside that appliance (i never used it, so it is an actual question!) | 17:45 |
| wgGuest68 | not usre how. guidance appreciated | 17:45 |
| wgGuest68 | usre *sure | 17:45 |
| wgGuest68 | must admit, haven't rtfm. is there a update prodedure for a "regular" install? | 17:47 |
| bartjo1 | in WebGUI?sbin there is an upgrade.pl srcipt | 17:47 |
| bartjo1 | normally you download a newe version, unpack it over your old install and then run the script | 17:47 |
| bartjo1 | off course after making backups | 17:48 |
| bartjo1 | :) | 17:48 |
| wgGuest68 | ah. | 17:48 |
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| bartjo1 | the wre does that for you | 17:48 |
| bartjo1 | not sure whether that is in the appliance | 17:48 |
| bartjo1 | maybe I should use it | 17:49 |
| wgGuest68 | so i should dl the tarball? | 17:49 |
| wgGuest68 | unpack it somewhere | 17:49 |
| wgGuest68 | then run upgrade.pl? | 17:50 |
| wgGuest68 | generally speaking | 17:50 |
| bartjo1 | well, you have to unpack it over the old install | 17:50 |
| bartjo1 | yes | 17:50 |
| bartjo1 | not somewhere else | 17:50 |
| bartjo1 | since your confs are not in the tarball, those will ot b overwritten | 17:51 |
| wgGuest68 | hmmm. again, i'll take a look at how it's installed in the appliance | 17:51 |
| bartjo1 | s/ot b/not be/ | 17:51 |
| wgGuest68 | try going from there | 17:51 |
| bartjo1 | ok | 17:51 |
| bartjo1 | success | 17:51 |
| wgGuest68 | thnx for your help! | 17:52 |
| bartjo1 | I hope this is a start | 17:52 |
| bartjo1 | np | 17:52 |
| wgGuest68 | cu | 17:52 |
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| dionak | i just figured out how to add a list of Things to a new tab in a custom product. cool... | 18:07 |
| dionak | now to get the data out of the Things | 18:07 |
| dionak | custom products are a bear | 18:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | Happy International Walk to School Day! | 18:17 |
| bartjo1 | ? | 18:18 |
| bartjo1 | oops, I went by bike to work... | 18:18 |
| bartjo1 | did it all wrong... | 18:19 |
| bartjo1 | mmm, it seems that functions don't have a title | 18:20 |
| bartjo1 | that can be called with ^Page(title); | 18:21 |
| bartjo1 | aah, tmpl_vars | 18:23 |
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| bartjo1 | ggrrr template vars | 18:33 |
| * perlDreamer isn't following, bartjol | 18:34 | |
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| +perlDreamer | http://www.iwalktoschool.org/ | 18:34 |
| bartjo1 | well, it is for another day | 18:37 |
| bartjo1 | but I made a nice macro today | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | is that the new one in the Bazaar? | 18:38 |
| bartjo1 | that gets installed languages and makes links to my contenthandler | 18:38 |
| bartjo1 | yes | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | nice :) | 18:38 |
| bartjo1 | cool, huh! | 18:38 |
| bartjo1 | under an hour | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | and you say that you can't write perl code... | 18:38 |
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| bartjo1 | I actually seem te be learning program webgui | 18:38 |
| bartjo1 | learning it | 18:39 |
| bartjo1 | but Martin is dragging me to beer | 18:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | that was some drag | 18:40 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5f29c5b / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Comment cleanup - http://bit.ly/2vQuIj | 18:52 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r9d62d87 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Fix bug 11098. Create a VersionTag method that only clear the session for a single user. - http://bit.ly/JmCfj | 18:52 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra866f14 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Fix bug 11098. Create a VersionTag method that only clear the session for a single user. - http://bit.ly/f86sJ | 18:52 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Function printHelp() in sbin/syncToCdn.pl became useless after you fixed the POD thing. | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | nuked it | 18:56 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc34da3f / sbin/syncToCdn.pl : Prune out dead sub in syncToCdn.pl - http://bit.ly/4usPTv | 18:56 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r4d8a3d3 / sbin/syncToCdn.pl : Prune out dead sub in syncToCdn.pl - http://bit.ly/osybz | 18:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: on those templates that need isPackage=0, do they have isDefault=1 set? | 19:02 |
| @Haarg | it's probably best to set isDefault. the reason it missed unmarking them as packages would have also missed marking them as default | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | they're not templates, they are folders... | 19:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, for the package checking wgd utility (that makes sure that no two assets are in the same upgrade), may I add that to wgd package, or should it be its own tool? | 19:09 |
| @Haarg | seems like its own tool | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 19:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | welcome back, mducharme | 19:10 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r4e8a135 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix bug #11101. Folders from an earlier upgrade had their package flag set. - http://bit.ly/3PgnjN | 19:11 |
| @Haarg | i'm going to add a package splitting command when i get the chance. not sure if that will be in package or as a new command | 19:11 |
| @Haarg | possibly both | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd like to have my new utility done in time for the 7.7.22 release next Tuesday. | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, and I got sftp working for the SF upload | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | now I just need to setup passphrase auth for SF, and it'll be fully automated again | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | except for username | 19:13 |
| daviddelikat | what is the WG function for creating a new global ID? | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | $session->id->generate | 19:37 |
| daviddelikat | thanks, I couldn't find that anywhere... | 19:37 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, not to pester you, but do you think the EMS schedule bug might be done for the 7.7.22 release, next Tuesday? | 19:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I'm thinking about doing a permanent mock of $session->env in WebGUI::Test | 19:50 |
| @Haarg | probably reasonable | 19:50 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5fc2a1f / (4 files in 4 dirs): | 20:07 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Fixed bug #11096. Deleting a thread causes a WebGUI error. | 20:07 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Checked to make sure that anything is returned from getLineage | 20:07 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: before calculating the rating. When the thread is in the trash | 20:07 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: or clipboard, then getLineage will not return anything. - http://bit.ly/Q39qS | 20:07 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r6c98138 / (4 files in 4 dirs): | 20:07 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Fixed bug #11096. Deleting a thread causes a WebGUI error. | 20:07 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Checked to make sure that anything is returned from getLineage | 20:08 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: before calculating the rating. When the thread is in the trash | 20:08 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: or clipboard, then getLineage will not return anything. - http://bit.ly/OWS8U | 20:08 |
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| +danny_mk | Hello everyone, is the bugtracker (http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs) available as a downloadable package anywhere? | 20:20 |
| @Haarg | http://github.com/plainblack/helpdesk | 20:21 |
| @preaction | you know, not enough kids walk to school these days | 20:23 |
| @preaction | i used to have to walk a mile in the wonderful wisconsin winters | 20:24 |
| +danny_mk | Ah, looked everwhere, thank you. | 20:24 |
| +danny_mk | Haarg: Thank you. | 20:24 |
| @preaction | my pants legs would be frozen stiff, and would take a half hour to thaw | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, the good ol' days | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | that's why they invented global warming, you know | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | to help kids who have to walk in the snow | 20:24 |
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| daviddelikat | perlDreamer: I can work on the schedule issue tomorrow. | 21:09 |
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| dionak | does anyone know of a way to force the order of fields on the asset edit screen? i'd like to add an excerpt htmlarea before the description htmlarea | 21:45 |
| @preaction | not easily, currently. that's why we're fixing WebGUI::HTMLForm in 8.0 | 21:48 |
| @preaction | you have to override getEditForm and build it yourself :( | 21:48 |
| dionak | ok, thanks | 21:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, with some careful HTML hacking, it could probably be done after the fact | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | the wrappers in HTMLForm are fairly easy to identify | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | but it will be infinitely easier in 8 | 22:14 |
| @preaction | yeah, but that's too easy to break | 22:14 |
| dionak | i might try the CSS approach. Building the form from scratch while making sure to get all the hidden elements sounds like a lot of extra time. | 22:16 |
| dionak | and we'll be the only ones editing the css | 22:16 |
| dionak | unless there is some easy way to ensure getting all the hidden elements? | 22:16 |
| dionak | i don't see an easy way | 22:17 |
| @preaction | #formId_<element name> { display: none } <- | 22:18 |
| @preaction | oh | 22:18 |
| @preaction | nm | 22:18 |
| @preaction | yeah, CSS probably not gonna help you here | 22:18 |
| @preaction | rearranging things in a table is not what it was designed for | 22:18 |
| dionak | will the table go away? seems unnecessary | 22:21 |
| dionak | hope so | 22:21 |
| dionak | i have learned quite a bit writing this product and returning to code spelunking | 22:22 |
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| @preaction | the tables are going away yes. the new FormBuilder is going to be much easier to style | 22:31 |
| +perlDreamer | do we allow UTF-8 in URLs? | 22:37 |
| @Haarg | no | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | MIME::Header doesn't support automatic conversion to utf8. Do you see any reason we couldn't do that ourselves in Mail::Send->addHeaderField? | 22:43 |
| @preaction | that's IT! no more UTF8! we're going with standard 8-bit ascii for the rest of eternity! | 22:44 |
| @preaction | perlbot 2^8 | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot math 2^8 | 22:44 |
| @preaction | perlbot math 2^8 | 22:44 |
| perlbot | 256 | 22:44 |
| perlbot | 256 | 22:44 |
| @preaction | sorry, 7 bit | 22:44 |
| @preaction | forgot about the parity bit | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot be preaction | 22:45 |
| perlbot | <preaction> How I can make teh web wit pearl?!?! | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | Use ASCII | 22:45 |
| @Haarg | yeah, we should encode('MIME-Q', $header) every header we add | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | that'll make testing easier :) | 22:47 |
| dionak | how can i fake out quantity of a product so that it never goes out of stock? | 22:48 |
| +perlDreamer | two ways | 22:49 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) set it to 9999999999999 | 22:49 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) Implement the RFE that adds a field to the variant telling it to ignore quantity | 22:49 |
| dionak | haha. i will do #2. i tried #1 in the method getQuantityAvailable. | 22:50 |
| dionak | should i be doing it another way? | 22:50 |
| +perlDreamer | not sure. You might have to override several methods to completely disable it | 22:51 |
| +perlDreamer | #2 is kind of involved. It needs tests, and an upgrade script which updates all variants of all current products | 22:51 |
| +perlDreamer | neither of those would be difficult, but it's more work | 22:51 |
| dionak | hm. i'm not even using variants. wonder if that will be an issue later. | 22:52 |
| +perlDreamer | if you're not using variants, where is it pulling quantity from? | 22:52 |
| dionak | it's pulling it from variants. i haven't changed that. but since I don't have any variants to define, it's considered 'out of stock'. | 22:53 |
| dionak | there are no logical variants for the type of product i'm working on | 22:54 |
| dionak | if i don't define any, will that be an issue? or do I need to think of something else... | 22:54 |
| +perlDreamer | For Asset::Sku::Product to work correctly, it pretty much always needs 1 variant. | 22:54 |
| dionak | i mean besides quantity | 22:54 |
| dionak | ok, thanks. i'll look deeper into this. | 22:55 |
| +perlDreamer | it pulls data from the stuff stuffed into applyOptions | 22:55 |
| dionak | i'm subclassing sku | 22:56 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI::Asset::Sku? | 22:56 |
| dionak | yes | 22:56 |
| +perlDreamer | if you do that, it shouldn't need a quantity | 22:56 |
| +perlDreamer | what is complaining about not having a quantity? | 22:57 |
| dionak | oh, i see. i copied Product.pm and have been altering it. Therefore it has all the logic for variants | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | that would do it | 22:57 |
| dionak | ok, time to put another "hat" on. i'll come back to this... | 22:58 |
| dionak | thanks for the input | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | anytime | 22:59 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not an encoding problem it's a database problem | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I think | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll do more digging when I come back from picking up the kids | 23:15 |
| carogray | I am cooking - slowly, over a fire, rather than with gas with the template toolkit thing...next project is the tell a friend form from Diona | 23:19 |
| carogray | However, could I have done something inadvertently, with a template so that when in Asset Manager the AdminBar does not show on left side? | 23:19 |
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| carogray | Oddly enough it does show up in other sites on the same server...?! | 23:19 |
| @preaction | carogray: i'd grab the admin console template from both sites and see if they're the same | 23:22 |
| carogray | k | 23:23 |
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| carogray | preaction: couldn't find a difference. We are talking about admin_console2 right? I pasted both into different Word docs and then did a compare just to make sure I didn't miss anything | 23:33 |
| @preaction | yeah, admin_console2 | 23:33 |
| carogray | nope exactly the same - and computer checked, not me old blind eyes | 23:34 |
| @preaction | not sure then | 23:34 |
| carogray | login request again? | 23:34 |
| @preaction | probably | 23:35 |
| carogray | all right. here I go. | 23:35 |
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| carogray | interrupted - | 23:58 |
| carogray | somebody can't get a pdf from our website | 23:58 |
| dionak | is that pb support? | 23:59 |
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| carogray | a couple of days ago based on info from this chat room we changed the template for uploaded files from tmpl_var fileURL to tmpl_var file.url | 00:00 |
| carogray | so people wouldn't see all the uploads stuff in the address bar and could have easy URL's to remember and share etc. | 00:00 |
| carogray | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d4bb2f105 | 00:00 |
| carogray | now - the URL for the file seems to be right when hovering over the link, but has dropped the final .pdf at the end | 00:01 |
| carogray | see http://www.masslegalhelp.org/housing/booklets/eviction-storage-law | 00:01 |
| dionak | oh, maybe b/c of the dot in ".pdf"? | 00:02 |
| dionak | odd | 00:02 |
| carogray | sorry I am wrong - the url the template is giving is the url of the page not the file | 00:02 |
| carogray | hmm I look at help and only see a fileUrl, no file.url | 00:05 |
| dionak | what kind of template is this? | 00:05 |
| @Haarg | you probably want just 'url' | 00:06 |
| carogray | will try that Haarg, dionak: it's a template for a file. | 00:07 |
| dionak | Haarg, do you know of an easy way to query SQL using JSON data? Like an API call or something? | 00:07 |
| @Haarg | nope | 00:07 |
| dionak | thanks. ;) | 00:07 |
| @Haarg | what are you trying to do more specifically? | 00:08 |
| dionak | i have a list of json thingDataIds stored in a product field (custom) and I'm trying to retrieve the values from the Thing. | 00:08 |
| carogray | haarg: gotta run for bus in 2 mins, but you do <mean tmpl_var url> right? | 00:09 |
| carogray | <tmpl_var url> | 00:09 |
| @Haarg | yes | 00:09 |
| dionak | I'm stretching the use of Things | 00:10 |
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| dionak | i'll figure it out. just curious if there was a new shortcut | 00:12 |
| carogray | LATE LATE LATE - will get back to you once on bus | 00:13 |
| dionak | does carogray code in transit? | 00:13 |
| dionak | lol | 00:13 |
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| dionak | ok, i take that back. it's not stored as json. | 00:32 |
| dionak | how does the multi-checkbox for element (checklist.pm) store it's values? | 00:33 |
| dionak | i'm only getting one value | 00:33 |
| dionak | or maybe i need to do that myself in the save method | 00:34 |
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| carogray | carogray is in transit - just heard the telling "ba-dump" of my name as the computer switched off | 00:37 |
| carogray | on bus now but in tunnel with gobs of people sharing internet connection so switching to my private not so reliable in tunnels card | 00:38 |
| dionak | so explain this to me, your bus offers an internet connection or are you carrying a sprint card (or similar)? | 00:38 |
| dionak | if your bus offers that, we need one of those buses down here... | 00:39 |
| dionak | but i'm also imagining a lot of typos... | 00:39 |
| dionak | during a bumpy ride | 00:39 |
| carogray | Dartmouth coach with WIFI! | 00:40 |
| carogray | they began offering it just after I bought my ATT mobiilty card or whatever it's called | 00:41 |
| dionak | very cool | 00:41 |
| carogray | yes, but of course now we take it for granted and are very grumpy when it is slow. there are a couple of pretty dead spots where we get no connection, but who can complain when you can be connected 1hr out of 1hr 45 min commute? | 00:42 |
| carogray | ok was it Haarg who made that url suggestion? | 00:44 |
| @Haarg | yes | 00:44 |
| carogray | now I am getting for a url | 00:45 |
| carogray | a repeat of the section that the file is in... | 00:45 |
| carogray | phone call | 00:45 |
| @Haarg | might need ^/(<tmpl_var url>); | 00:46 |
| +perlDreamer | dionak, multiple value fields are stored newline separated | 00:47 |
| dionak | should that be automatic when I use a checklist field type? | 00:51 |
| dionak | or do i have to do that in my class? | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | if you get the list of values from the form element in scalar context, it will be done for you. | 00:51 |
| dionak | do you mean if I get the list in the form post? i'm not sure what you mean by "get the list of values from the form element in scalar context". Here's my scenario, I've added a checklist field to the properties tab of my product class. when i 'save', i only get one value in the db. | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | and you selected multiple things? | 00:53 |
| dionak | i know what that means in perl but i'm not actually processing the form post in my code | 00:53 |
| dionak | yes | 00:53 |
| carogray | daughter trying to figure out how to fill in application for bank account - long distance, talking a mile a minute | 00:54 |
| carogray | so. | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | what does your form processing code look like? | 00:54 |
| carogray | oh ..wait I see haarg - will try | 00:54 |
| dionak | it's using the parent code which eventually goes back up to Asset.pm | 00:55 |
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| dionak | in the form html element , all the checkboxes have the same name | 00:55 |
| dionak | which looks correct | 00:55 |
| dionak | just a sec.. | 00:57 |
| carogray | haarg: that worked, but I think the reason we changed it in the first place was so that when we end up with final file, in the address box we get the URL we have assigned, not the uploads/gobbledy-gook/file.ext | 00:58 |
| @Haarg | that can't be done just by changing the template | 00:59 |
| carogray | can it be done at all? | 00:59 |
| @Haarg | it needs a config variable set | 00:59 |
| @Haarg | which may or may not currently be broken | 00:59 |
| carogray | so once upon a time we were always stuck with uploads/gobbledy-gook/file.ext | 01:00 |
| carogray | now it is possible to get the URL we give it | 01:00 |
| carogray | but we need to ask you guys to do something about it and ...I do not understand about whether or not something is broken and will this change with every upgrade | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, for the browser to show the "nice" url, it's just a template change | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI will redirect to the other one, but it will still look "nice" even though it's more load on the server | 01:01 |
| @Haarg | it sends a redirect though | 01:01 |
| @Haarg | so the browser goes to the new url | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | right, but when they hover over it, it's the nice URL | 01:02 |
| @Haarg | yes, but not in the address bar after they've clicked it | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | no, not _after_ they've clicked it | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | carogray didn't say whether or not that is important | 01:02 |
| @Haarg | <carogray> ... address box ... | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | yesterday's IRC talk was about hover over the link | 01:03 |
| carogray | no I didn't, I wasn't the one originally asking the question, but now I have had to fix the solution which had some sort of miscommunication so that people coul dnot even open PDFs from our website at all | 01:03 |
| carogray | hovering and getting the nice URL is better than hovering and getting the upload stuff | 01:04 |
| carogray | however haarg: has now teased me with the possibility that we could spare our users from the ugly url all together | 01:04 |
| carogray | in the address box I mean -after clicking | 01:04 |
| @Haarg | it does add extra load on the server, but it can be done | 01:04 |
| carogray | how much extra load | 01:05 |
| carogray | ? | 01:05 |
| carogray | I admit the thing is pretty slow -- anyhow... but mostly in admin mode | 01:05 |
| carogray | I am not sure people mind waiting a little longer to open a pdf | 01:05 |
| dionak | if you add more load, it's just going to get slower | 01:05 |
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| @Haarg | kind of hard to measure. depends on how many concurrent connections there are. | 01:05 |
| carogray | right I know..ok so it depends on how many people are opening pdfs at once and using the site etc? | 01:06 |
| @Haarg | using the site in general concurrently. | 01:06 |
| carogray | could we try it for ... amonth and then undo if we found it too unbearable? | 01:06 |
| @Haarg | for pdfs it's probably not a big deal | 01:06 |
| carogray | what would it be a big deal for? | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | "big" files | 01:06 |
| @Haarg | images that are shown inline for example | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | lots of files | 01:07 |
| @Haarg | because each image would tie up a process on the back end | 01:07 |
| @Haarg | which limits how many concurrent requests there would be | 01:07 |
| carogray | images that are shown inline are images illustrating the page? | 01:07 |
| @Haarg | there aren't going to be a lot of concurrent requests for a pdf like there would be for inline images | 01:07 |
| carogray | we only have about...3, small optimised pages on any page, most pages only one, the same old logo, except for the home page which I guess has bout 4? | 01:08 |
| carogray | now would this be for all sites on the server, or just for one site at a time? | 01:09 |
| @Haarg | just for one site | 01:09 |
| carogray | so could we try it and see? | 01:09 |
| carogray | would it change from upgrade to upgrade? | 01:10 |
| @Haarg | i would make sure you are using ^FileUrl(); for places in templates or css files where you are including images | 01:10 |
| carogray | I think we do that most places...if images break it's not such a big deal anyhow...they are not major content | 01:10 |
| dionak | ah ha, perlDreamer. checkList works now. | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | what's the secret sauce, dionak? | 01:11 |
| @Haarg | carogray, images won't break, but if you use ^FileUrl(); then they won't be effected by the config change | 01:12 |
| @Haarg | which in those cases is a good thing | 01:12 |
| carogray | I am pretty sure we do use the ^FileUrl(); - where we do not we can pretty much go through and check...we really only have a few images on the whole of this site. | 01:13 |
| dionak | i'll have to look a little more. i had/have the checklist fields defined in two places because the fields are dynamic. i add the fields to the definition in another subroutine (outside of sub definition). The two were defined differently. Not sure this is needed so I'll look a little deeper. | 01:13 |
| dionak | Looks like in Asset.pm it calls the definition() sub to define what to process | 01:13 |
| dionak | which would not have had the checkList field type defined (before I updated the definition above) | 01:14 |
| dionak | so it treated it like a textarea | 01:14 |
| dionak | i modeled this after something i saw in WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration/Newsletter.pm | 01:17 |
| @Haarg | carogray, if you want to make the config change you should file a support request for it | 01:17 |
| carogray | okey doke - that makes two now today - sorry | 01:17 |
| @Haarg | no reason to apologize for that | 01:18 |
| * dionak calling it a night | 01:18 | |
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| carogray | I just feel as though I have been swamping you all with stuff the last couple of weeks, but at the same time I have learned a ton! | 01:20 |
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| carogray | haarg: would we have to change the config variable set if we just made it so that people always ended up with the box that asks them if they want to open the file or save it? | 01:24 |
| carogray | and if we did do that, would we do that in the template? | 01:24 |
| carogray | then the uploads URL isn't really noticeable - or is the a computer to computer browser preferences thing? | 01:25 |
| @Haarg | whether that box shows up is going to depend primarily on the user's settings | 01:26 |
| +patspam | morning Haarg | 01:26 |
| @Haarg | morning | 01:26 |
| +patspam | how is sunny madison? | 01:27 |
| @Haarg | not so sunny and rather cold | 01:27 |
| @Haarg | it got quite a bit colder about a week ago | 01:28 |
| +patspam | dang, it's still cold here too | 01:29 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, we concluded it was fine to change the WEBGUI_TEST_DEBUG code back right? | 01:29 |
| +patspam | I think I'll be leaving just as it warms up | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, definitely | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I could use some utf8 help, if you have time | 01:30 |
| @Haarg | sure | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to enter in a utf8 character in some test code | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | the character in questions is a-umlaut | 01:30 |
| +patspam | a heavy metal umlaut? | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | very heavy | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | it breaks all non-English CS'es' | 01:31 |
| +patspam | also known as rock dots | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | If I copy it out of my browser into VIM, I don't end up with the right thing | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | perhaps Padre would be nicer to me? | 01:32 |
| +patspam | Padre is unicode friendly | 01:33 |
| +patspam | lots of i18n users | 01:33 |
| @Haarg | "\x{00C4}" | 01:35 |
| @Haarg | i'd recommend using the encoded version rather than pasting it in so you don't have to 'use utf8' | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | that fails (which is what I want). Now I can test a fix | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | if everything should be encoded as MIME-Q, we shouldn't need to change the encoding on the message field in the database, right? | 01:37 |
| @Haarg | no | 01:38 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r65a58ee / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : | 01:48 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Revert "Fix a bug with session counting for WEBGUI_TEST_DEBUG" | 01:48 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: This reverts commit f53af08e2720990ee7451fcc9e563ff7a79de2ba. - http://bit.ly/Hu7i0 | 01:48 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: Graham Knop master * raf447ea / (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #11060: Some tables have latin1 as the default character set - http://bit.ly/7QRDq | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, that looks like basically every table that's been created since you fixed the last bunch | 02:07 |
| @Haarg | yes | 02:08 |
| @Haarg | which is why i'm rather annoyed i can't reproduce the problem that led to them being created like that | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | do we need to tell people that it should be CREATE TABLE () DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8 | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | well, if nothing else I know what to look for (and write) now. I'll keep an eye out on the upgrade scripts | 02:09 |
| @Haarg | none of the upgrades specify a character set | 02:10 |
| @Haarg | they shouldn't have to | 02:10 |
| @Haarg | and if i run the same thing now in an upgrade script it gets created as utf8 | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe you're not the problem | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe it's me? | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 02:11 |
| @Haarg | they were created on my end | 02:11 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r09caef7 / (3 files in 3 dirs): MIME headers should be MIME encoded. Fixes bug #11089. - http://bit.ly/lqZqv | 02:13 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r636ed5c / (3 files in 3 dirs): MIME headers should be MIME encoded. Fixes bug #11089. - http://bit.ly/Bc3OE | 02:14 |
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| +patspam | perlDreamer: I think that macros in json thing might explain a weird bug i was getting in padre | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | cool, that's one less bug for you to worry about then! | 02:36 |
| +patspam | the plugin pulls down assets in serialised json | 02:37 |
| +patspam | and for a few templates the json would be corrupt | 02:37 |
| +patspam | and only yesterday i realised it was for templates containing macros | 02:37 |
| +patspam | somewhere along the way it was actually evaluating the macro | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | how were you pulling them down? | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | is it via a custom content handler? | 02:38 |
| @Haarg | we've had that problem in a few other places | 02:38 |
| +patspam | jah | 02:39 |
| @Haarg | if you set the mime type it should handle it correctly in most cases | 02:39 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Graham Knop master * rcb0afaa / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.8.1-7.8.2.pl : set database default character set to utf8 - http://bit.ly/19AG6b | 02:41 |
| +patspam | via this sucker: http://github.com/pdonelan/webgui/blob/padre/lib/WebGUI/Content/Padre.pm | 02:42 |
| +perlDreamer | tut tut, you've misspelled "serialize" everywhere | 02:42 |
| +patspam | hehe | 02:43 |
| +patspam | I'm using application/json as the mime-type | 02:43 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, if it wasn't obvious it was the database default character set that was the problem | 02:43 |
| @Haarg | i had forgotten the database even had a default character set attached | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam, is it repeatable? | 02:48 |
| +patspam | yes | 02:49 |
| +patspam | I only realised because i was editing a template that was working, and then added a macro at which point it broke | 02:49 |
| +patspam | I'm on 7.7.18 though | 02:49 |
| @Haarg | having it only process macros for text mime types was changed on sept 4 | 02:49 |
| @Haarg | which is 7.7.19 | 02:50 |
| @Haarg | after 7.7.19 that is | 02:50 |
| +perlDreamer | how do you look that up, Haarg? | 02:50 |
| @Haarg | git log -S'self->session->http->getMimeType =~ /^text/' | 02:50 |
| +perlDreamer | will git tag give you tags _and_ dates? | 02:50 |
| @Haarg | git describe --all 084da8e159053780145548082db7e3289c1ece52 | 02:51 |
| +patspam | ooh I haven't used git-describe | 02:51 |
| @Haarg | i only found it recently | 02:51 |
| @Haarg | it's quite useful | 02:51 |
| +perlDreamer | beautiful! | 02:51 |
| +perlDreamer | hm, apparently robotstxt.org is being DOS'ed or something | 02:56 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * r5ca1934 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : | 02:58 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Revert "Fix a bug with session counting for WEBGUI_TEST_DEBUG" | 02:58 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: This reverts commit f53af08e2720990ee7451fcc9e563ff7a79de2ba. - http://bit.ly/down4 | 02:58 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * r8d516bc / (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #11060: Some tables have latin1 as the default character set - http://bit.ly/wN26U | 02:58 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * r7683cfd / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.21-7.7.22.pl : set database default character set to utf8 - http://bit.ly/1vSmDC | 02:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Is anyone opposed to extending robots.txt to include all bots? | 02:58 |
| +perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/204557 | 02:59 |
| @Haarg | i don't see why not | 02:59 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2dd0cdb / (2 files in 2 dirs): block all user agents in robots.txt, expand list of blocked operations. Fixes bug #2569 - http://bit.ly/1fympa | 03:02 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb21fd6f / (2 files in 2 dirs): block all user agents in robots.txt, expand list of blocked operations. Fixes bug #2569 - http://bit.ly/CkAg4 | 03:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: do you know how to see if spectre is not beings swamped in cron jobs? | 03:25 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: only way I know is to watch spectre debug output | 03:43 |
| +perlDreamer | okely dokely | 03:43 |
| @preaction | i wonder if you can use POE to test POE | 03:51 |
| @preaction | hell, do we even test spectre at all? | 03:51 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 03:52 |
| +perlDreamer | there was talk about testing spectre on the ironman list | 03:52 |
| +perlDreamer | using MooseX::Poe | 03:52 |
| +perlDreamer | it's going to be very difficult to fix that bug, preaction | 03:53 |
| @preaction | i know, and i'm sorry | 03:53 |
| +perlDreamer | don't worry. I'm assigning it to you. | 03:53 |
| @preaction | my idea was to have checkSchedule start a "cronjobDelay" var in the POE object, addJob would use it and add to it, and then checkSchedules would make it go away | 03:54 |
| @preaction | so every minute, every job added would have a delay | 03:54 |
| +perlDreamer | do you mean runJob instead of addJob? | 03:55 |
| +perlDreamer | time for me to cook dinner | 03:57 |
| +perlDreamer | bbl | 03:57 |
| @preaction | oops, i mean when it calls addJob on line 166 | 03:57 |
| +perlDreamer | that's runJob ;) | 03:57 |
| @preaction | ah, right | 03:57 |
| +perlDreamer | but with N sites each having P jobs, don't we run the risk of delaying jobs a long time? | 03:57 |
| +perlDreamer | N*P*4 seconds? | 03:58 |
| @preaction | yes | 03:58 |
| @preaction | but go cook dinner, we can discuss that problem tomorrow | 03:58 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 03:58 |
| +perlDreamer | my family thanks you | 03:58 |
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| SynQ | when looking at memcached, make sure to look at brutus which can be used to test it | 09:31 |
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| SynQ | what messaging client for mac? | 13:06 |
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| dapperedodo | I use Adium | 13:54 |
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| carogray | has anyone been using template-toolkit? | 14:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | I used it once | 14:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | long ago | 14:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | what is the question | 14:45 |
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| carogray | MrHairgrease:sorry - insulation man came | 16:24 |
| carogray | I think I have it worked out... just wondered if you have an ^AssetProxy(); in the template-toolkit template, do you have to change all the syntax in the template for the asset you are calling to template-toolkit? | 16:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | uhm | 16:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | I don't understand the question | 16:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 16:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | wait | 16:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 16:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | the asset will render whatever template you set for it in its edit | 16:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | and the template engine is a property of that template | 16:29 |
| carogray | ok - that's what seemed to be happening, just wanted to make sure...phone call | 16:30 |
| carogray | cheers | 16:30 |
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| oversillo | hi all | 16:52 |
| oversillo | im installing WebGUI in a OpenVZ container (sorry for my bad english) | 16:52 |
| oversillo | but when i try start modperl, i got this error message "[Thu Oct 08 13:42:28 2009] [error] Integer overflow in hexadecimal number at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/Linux/Smaps.pm line 83, <$f> line 513.\nBEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/i686-linux/Apache2/SizeLimit.pm line 98.\nCompilation failed in require at /data/wre/etc/modperl.pl line 1.\nBEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /data/wre | 16:53 |
| oversillo | /etc/modperl.pl line 1.\nCompilation failed in require at (eval 2) line 1.\n" | 16:53 |
| oversillo | sorry... | 16:53 |
| oversillo | "[Thu Oct 08 13:42:28 2009] [error] Integer overflow in hexadecimal number at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/Linux/Smaps.pm line 83, <$f> line 513.\nBEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/i686-linux/Apache2/SizeLimit.pm line 98.\nCompilation failed in require at /data/wre/etc/modperl.pl line 1.\nBEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /data/wre/etc/modperl.pl line 1.\nCompilation failed in require | 16:54 |
| oversillo | at (eval 2) line 1.\n" | 16:54 |
| oversillo | can somebody help me ?? | 16:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | You have a problem with Apache2::SizeLimit | 16:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | Check you apache conf | 16:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | prolly there's a very big number in there | 16:56 |
| oversillo | its too high ? | 16:56 |
| oversillo | ok.. | 16:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | it says Integer overflow in hexadecimal number | 16:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | so yeah prolly | 16:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | you can always disable SizeLimit for the tim ebeing and see if that helps | 16:57 |
| oversillo | ok, thanks... | 16:58 |
| oversillo | i will try | 16:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | oki | 17:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | good luck | 17:01 |
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| ckotil | anyone doing a hot backup with the WRE? | 17:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | hey, everybody! | 19:41 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfefe21c / (2 files in 2 dirs): Change title, menuTitle on request tracker post form template. Fixes bug #11104 - http://bit.ly/kbB1t | 19:59 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r6aec058 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Change title, menuTitle on request tracker post form template. Fixes bug #11104 - http://bit.ly/bRnDK | 19:59 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r670ceb3 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move package. - http://bit.ly/3DohA0 | 19:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, do Oqapi and Procolix share an office? | 20:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | Not really | 20:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | but our offices are in the same building | 20:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | on the same floor | 20:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | and actually next to eachother | 20:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | and since we usually have our doors opened... | 20:20 |
| @preaction | next step: INDUSTRIAL ESPIONAGE! | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I see, that would explain the bier dragging that happens all the time | 20:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | yup | 20:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | the fridge id Oqapi's though | 20:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | Procolix doesn't have one | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | where do you get those cool little coffee cups made? | 20:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | so we let Bart have some of our beers | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I could do the same thing for pDC and PB, but I'd have to buy the condo next to JT's | 20:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | as long as he keep the contents of the fridge stocked | 20:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | hehe | 20:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | plus the commute would kill you | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | either that, or my wife would | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | "We're moving where?!!" | 20:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | I think the coffee cups were made in china | 20:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | dirt cheap | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | do you have a URL? | 20:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | let me ask joeri | 20:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok, the query is out | 20:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | no we wait | 20:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | you never know what the response time is when humans are nvolved | 20:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | those cups are the perfect size for making hot chocolate for the boys | 20:24 |
| @preaction | and then he just leaves! what a jerk | 20:25 |
| @preaction | let's talk about him for the next hour | 20:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hum | 20:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | apparently pidgin did not tray itself | 20:25 |
| @preaction | and he smells bad too, i think it's the pomade | 20:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah, jt finally started using Pomade? | 20:26 |
| oversillo | i had this problem installing WebGUI in OpenVZ, http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10502 | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | oversillo, there are cases where Linux::Smaps does not work | 20:26 |
| @preaction | Red Hat-based kernels, for example | 20:27 |
| @preaction | sometimes USE_SMAPS = 0 works (redhat 5), but in 4 you have to delete the module altogether | 20:27 |
| oversillo | umm.. Ok, i have a Debian Lenny OpenVZ Kernel | 20:28 |
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| oversillo | (sorry for my english) there are some performace problem when i disable SMAPS ? | 20:30 |
| @Haarg | no, it just can't track its memory usage as accurately | 20:30 |
| oversillo | ok, thanks, then i have to include USE_SMAPS = 0 in /data/wre/etc/modperl.pl ? | 20:31 |
| * perlDreamer goes to the gym | 20:31 | |
| @Haarg | $Apache2::SizeLimit::USE_SMAPS = 0; | 20:32 |
| @Haarg | in modperl.pl, yes | 20:32 |
| oversillo | ok.. thank you so much | 20:32 |
| oversillo | i'll try this solution | 20:33 |
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| * perlDreamer is back, and sore | 22:30 | |
| SynQ | ah | 22:32 |
| SynQ | just the guy I need | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | Here I am, SynQ! | 22:32 |
| ckotil | I disabled SMAPS in modperl.pl and it seems to work well. | 22:35 |
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| * perlDreamer wishes that RH would get their act together on perl code | 22:38 | |
| @preaction | ahahahahahahahahhaa | 22:38 |
| daviddelikat1 | RH == RedHat ? | 22:39 |
| ckotil | yarly. there was that epic fail with the slowness not too long ago | 22:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: http://gist.github.com/205293 | 22:39 |
| @Haarg | or http://gist.github.com/205294 | 22:42 |
| @Haarg | the SMAPS problem isn't really a perl problem but they still don't seem to care much | 22:42 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: why in the world does that work? | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | isn't the first our limited by the scope of the import subroutine? | 22:46 |
| @Haarg | our is a package variable | 22:47 |
| @Haarg | basically, you are creating a lexical alias to a package variable | 22:47 |
| @Haarg | the variable is $WebGUI::Test::SESSION in both cases | 22:47 |
| @Haarg | the reason i was preferring that way is that everything except the import and cleanup code should only use the ->session method to access it, so i wanted to avoid having $SESSION in scope and available to them easily | 22:50 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r82f78de / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Make sure to access the correct $SESSION. - http://bit.ly/LV02Q | 22:54 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rff8b94b / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Make sure to access the correct $SESSION. - http://bit.ly/2ALkmW | 22:54 |
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| daviddelikat1 | does anybody know why undef is equal to en empty string in perl? | 22:57 |
| daviddelikat1 | perl -e 'print "x" if undef eq ""' | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | because that's what undef stringifies to | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | in numerical context, undef == 0 | 22:58 |
| daviddelikat1 | I guess I'm the only one who doesn't like that... | 22:58 |
| daviddelikat1 | I always thought undef was something else... not defined, etc... | 22:59 |
| +perlDreamer | perl is loosely typed | 22:59 |
| @Haarg | it's like everything in perl though. it is something else, but gets converted based on how it is used | 22:59 |
| @Haarg | "0 but true" == 0 | 22:59 |
| daviddelikat1 | I know all that stuff, I seem to remember undef being un defined in all contexts. | 23:00 |
| daviddelikat1 | perhaps I was right in a former life | 23:01 |
| daviddelikat1 | or parrallel universe | 23:01 |
| * daviddelikat1 checks for undef from now on | 23:01 | |
| @Haarg | it does spit out a warning if you have warnings on | 23:01 |
| @Haarg | which is the main reason we don't have warnings on | 23:01 |
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| daviddelikat1 | this doesn't give a warning: | 23:02 |
| daviddelikat1 | perl -ew 'print "x" if undef eq ""' | 23:02 |
| daviddelikat1 | sorry, the flags have to be sritched | 23:02 |
| @Haarg | something i intend to change for webgui 8. have every warning except uninitialized turned on. | 23:03 |
| daviddelikat1 | perhaps the tests could run with warnings? | 23:04 |
| @Haarg | wouldn't really be useful. we have tons of places we use the assumption that undef stringifies to "" and that isn't going to change. | 23:05 |
| @Haarg | so we'd have to make changes to the modules before we could even run tests with the other warnings enabled | 23:06 |
| SDuensin | Hey all. | 23:11 |
| daviddelikat1 | gd afternoon | 23:11 |
| daviddelikat1 | perlDreamer: I'm fixing bug 10874 now | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | awesome! And thanks | 23:12 |
| daviddelikat1 | no problem, part of the problem was that I was assuming that undef was not defined... | 23:13 |
| SDuensin | I just inherited the worst perl code ever. Anyone have suggestions on how to even begin to understand and document it? | 23:13 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin: write tests for it | 23:13 |
| +perlDreamer | piece by piece | 23:13 |
| daviddelikat1 | run it through a formatter | 23:13 |
| daviddelikat1 | ( but keep the old stuff... | 23:13 |
| mducharme-work | hrm are there new storymanager templates in 7.7.21 | 23:14 |
| SDuensin | My best idea so far is to hand diagram it with dia, but it could take the rest of my life. | 23:14 |
| daviddelikat1 | how much is there? | 23:15 |
| SDuensin | Almost every subroutine is in it's own file and 'require'ed before use. | 23:15 |
| SDuensin | Over 2000 scripts in dozens of directories. | 23:15 |
| SDuensin | Oh, and it's mostly cgi crap. | 23:16 |
| daviddelikat1 | sounds like its time to re-engineer | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like it's time for WebGUI | 23:16 |
| daviddelikat1 | dont even look at the code, just spec out what it does and write it again | 23:16 |
| SDuensin | Wish I could. | 23:17 |
| daviddelikat1 | so are there any moral objections to using 'redo' in WG code? | 23:17 |
| +perlDreamer | how did you inherit it, SD? | 23:17 |
| @Haarg | no daviddelikat1 | 23:18 |
| SDuensin | I could rewrite a lot if I knew what the hell it did. :-) | 23:18 |
| SDuensin | I went and got a real job to keep from starving and this is what I got. | 23:18 |
| SDuensin | I'd rather be doing webgui, but I'm a horrible salesperson and working for pb conflicts with my own company. :-( | 23:20 |
| daviddelikat1 | perlDreamer: http://delikat.homeip.net:8080/home/the-big-e?func=viewSchedule | 23:20 |
| daviddelikat1 | the opnly problem is the tooltips are missing | 23:21 |
| * SDuensin returns to sobbing in his corner. | 23:24 | |
| daviddelikat1 | just don't get your keyboart wet | 23:24 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc15a49b / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm t/Storage.t): Make Storage gracefully handle having its directory being nuked. Fixes bug #11077 - http://bit.ly/gkRGp | 23:40 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1deec24 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm t/Storage.t): Make Storage gracefully handle having its directory being nuked. Fixes bug #11077 - http://bit.ly/2AJC84 | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | nice, JavaScript::Packer is set to be fixed | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | the Calendar List bug fixed itself | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat1: would it be difficult to modify the helpdesk search to use a SelectList instead of a SelectBox, so that I could say, show me everything in WebGUI Stable and WebGUI Beta? | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | or, maybe a checkboxList | 23:48 |
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| daviddelikat1 | perlDreamer: probably would notbe difficult, it just uses getLineage I think | 00:01 |
| daviddelikat1 | did you get a chance to look at the ems schedule? | 00:01 |
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| daviddelikat1 | is there an easy way to clear out part of the lineage? | 00:32 |
| daviddelikat1 | I just want stuff to run without having to reset my database | 00:32 |
| @Haarg | is there a reason you can't just purge it? | 00:40 |
| daviddelikat1 | I deleted it using SQL, I guess if it makes a difference it will go away next time i reset... | 00:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think there may be a bug | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat1 | 00:55 |
| daviddelikat1 | yo | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | the EMS is misspelling words in the events | 00:55 |
| daviddelikat1 | I'll see if I can fix that bug some other time | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | all events without a location are grouped into the same column? | 00:56 |
| daviddelikat1 | is that ok? | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | sure! | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I just want to make sure I understand, so I can ask those questions about corner questions | 00:56 |
| daviddelikat1 | it treats it like any other location | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | how are conflicts/multiple events at the same time handled? | 00:57 |
| daviddelikat1 | I'm writing some tests to check the new feature... | 00:57 |
| daviddelikat1 | it puts them in an array and they get displayed in consecutive rows like in the Oct 08 @ 17:00 events... | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | this looks very, very solid | 00:58 |
| daviddelikat1 | looks can be decieving | 00:59 |
| daviddelikat1 | like my spelling | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | everyone makes spleling mistakes | 00:59 |
| daviddelikat1 | I'll get you a patch for the module and the test as soon as I've finished writing them | 01:00 |
| daviddelikat1 | them == tests | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | cool, let me know if you need help with the tests | 01:00 |
| daviddelikat1 | do you know how to set a form variable in test? | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:00 |
| daviddelikat1 | maybe you can share? | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | $session->request->setup_body({ keyword => 'foxtrot' } ); | 01:01 |
| * perlDreamer was looking up the code ;) | 01:01 | |
| daviddelikat1 | I see knowing where to look is as good as knowing... | 01:01 |
| daviddelikat1 | thanks | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | note, that code only works because it's inside a test | 01:01 |
| daviddelikat1 | I'll have this done in no time | 01:01 |
| daviddelikat1 | of course | 01:02 |
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| @tavisto | okay gang, I need to know about VAT | 01:21 |
| @tavisto | where are my dutch team brothas | 01:21 |
| @tavisto | hmm.. with the time diff, I assume they are at the pub. darn | 01:22 |
| daviddelikat1 | this is bad | 01:22 |
| daviddelikat1 | whenn i run the test twice in a row I get different results | 01:23 |
| SDuensin | I read that as "dutch team brothels". | 01:23 |
| @tavisto | that may apply if it was JT saying it | 01:23 |
| daviddelikat1 | apparently you have to look the other way | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat1, do you get more results the second time than the first? | 01:27 |
| daviddelikat1 | I have an assetId problem | 01:27 |
| daviddelikat1 | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d1c6f2529 | 01:27 |
| daviddelikat1 | I ran the test several times with no error | 01:27 |
| daviddelikat1 | then I ggot that message | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | can you paste the test, too, please? | 01:28 |
| daviddelikat1 | its kinda long... but ok | 01:28 |
| daviddelikat1 | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d4f16879f | 01:28 |
| daviddelikat1 | thats not right, I'll try again | 01:29 |
| * perlDreamer meant the _whole_ test | 01:29 | |
| +perlDreamer | so I can see the asset creation and cleanup | 01:29 |
| daviddelikat1 | you mean the file? | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | ggvG"+y | 01:29 |
| daviddelikat1 | im working on it | 01:30 |
| daviddelikat1 | whats the cmd line tool for gists? | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg and I use nopaste | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | nopaste -s Gist | 01:31 |
| @Haarg | cpan App::Nopaste | 01:31 |
| @Haarg | i just set the environment variable to have it use Gist by default | 01:32 |
| daviddelikat1 | requires a lot of stuff | 01:33 |
| daviddelikat1 | still going | 01:34 |
| @Haarg | and if you haven't yet, go to https://github.com/account and click the global git config link | 01:36 |
| daviddelikat1 | I did | 01:36 |
| daviddelikat1 | I think its testing moose right now | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | that's it! | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | we'll get Moose into WebGUI through the utilities | 01:37 |
| daviddelikat1 | moose is bigger that WG, we could more than double the code base in one move | 01:37 |
| daviddelikat1 | thats quite a bit of stuff to install just to paste some text ... | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | woot! | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I wrote javascript | 01:38 |
| daviddelikat1 | http://gist.github.com/205486 | 01:39 |
| daviddelikat1 | its way cool to post like that though | 01:40 |
| @Haarg | moose is much smaller than webgui | 01:40 |
| * perlDreamer likes nopaste's -p switch too | 01:40 | |
| +perlDreamer | the only thing I don't like is that -x doesn't work on Fedora | 01:41 |
| @Haarg | it is very convenient. i don't use -p much, but piping stuff and -x are very useful. | 01:41 |
| daviddelikat1 | any commnets about the test? | 01:42 |
| daviddelikat1 | sorry take your time, its a lot to digest | 01:43 |
| * perlDreamer suspects a problem with assets being cleared out | 01:44 | |
| +perlDreamer | or rather, not being cleared out | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | because, if you look at the page through the UI, it works, right? | 01:44 |
| daviddelikat1 | yes, but it doesn't really need the asset id | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | but doesn't the assetId indicate that it's getting the wrong asset? | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | or are they coming in a different order than you expect? | 01:46 |
| daviddelikat1 | everything else is OK, I switched the asset id to ignore and it works fine | 01:46 |
| daviddelikat1 | I'm running more tests with ignore | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | it's nice to skip parts that you don't nee | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | d | 01:48 |
| daviddelikat1 | nope, the program is switching the order for soem reason | 01:48 |
| daviddelikat1 | I just got the wrong title. | 01:49 |
| +perlDreamer | in what order are they supposed to be returned? | 01:49 |
| +perlDreamer | dateCreate, lastModified? | 01:49 |
| daviddelikat1 | it doesn't really matter in practice, but I'd expect them to be the same order every time. | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | but what happens they're all made at the same time? | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | like, within the same second? | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | now, the database has no way to tell the order | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | if that's the problem, you have a couple of options | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) sort by lineage. This always works with tests | 01:51 |
| daviddelikat1 | thats a really short couple | 01:53 |
| * perlDreamer is also teaching an 8-year old how to do wG content management | 01:53 | |
| daviddelikat1 | very cool | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) sort be create date, and manually alter the creationDate in the db | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | 3) sort by lastModified, and manually alter lastModified in the db. | 01:54 |
| daviddelikat1 | how about if I just change the order they are created in the list? | 01:54 |
| daviddelikat1 | these are the only two with the same start date | 01:54 |
| daviddelikat1 | so if I seperate them then perhaps I can get them to be differnet enough | 01:55 |
| +perlDreamer | you can try, but it will race on other machines | 01:55 |
| +perlDreamer | it's better to guarantee an order one way or another. | 01:55 |
| +perlDreamer | you don't want me calling you at 3:00am to ask why they're failing | 01:55 |
| +perlDreamer | just ask preaction | 01:56 |
| daviddelikat1 | can I make it do this only for the test? | 01:56 |
| +perlDreamer | usually not | 01:57 |
| daviddelikat1 | I added order by the event number | 01:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's a good idea | 02:06 |
| daviddelikat1 | does git diff produce a valid patch? | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, it makes a great patch | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | and if you paste it into Gist, it can be easily applied to another git repo | 02:07 |
| daviddelikat1 | problem is I'm not sure I'm patching what you'd be patching | 02:07 |
| daviddelikat1 | I've been editting EMS stuff all week... | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | not sure what to do about that one. | 02:08 |
| @Haarg | if you just give him the rev you are currently at it shouldn't be hard to deal with | 02:08 |
| * perlDreamer heads off to do some grocery shopping for dinner | 02:09 | |
| daviddelikat1 | I'm working against my own fork of WG | 02:09 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: JT Smith innodb * r077128f / docs/upgrades/convert-db-to-innodb.sql : added everything to ZipArchiveAsset - http://bit.ly/XJAC7 | 02:10 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: JT Smith innodb * r08d87a6 / docs/upgrades/convert-db-to-innodb.sql : fixed bugs - http://bit.ly/4uCSMq | 02:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: do you recommend testing JS fixes against several browsers before committing? | 03:38 |
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| elnino | preaction - support is open certain hours for pb hosting clients, right? like 8-4? what is the response time? or are you guys always manning the support forums 24/7? or Is the IRC the preferred method? | 04:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I think they promise an answer within 24 hours of posting | 04:19 |
| +perlDreamer | and of course, there are more responsive levels of support available | 04:19 |
| elnino | ok. thanks! | 04:20 |
| +perlDreamer | nice bug reporting, by the way | 04:21 |
| daviddelikat1 | perlDreamer: | 04:28 |
| +perlDreamer | sir? | 04:29 |
| daviddelikat1 | do you have any way to test this patch I made? | 04:29 |
| daviddelikat1 | I'm pretty confident, but it wouldn't hurt to run the test suite before pushing it | 04:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I always try to run at least 1 test before committing a patch | 04:30 |
| +perlDreamer | if I run into problems, I'll try to catch you online, or email you | 04:30 |
| daviddelikat1 | I have the exact patch for the test suite, but I had to fiddle with the patch for the EMS module | 04:30 |
| +perlDreamer | If you've been doing other stuff, yeah, I bet. | 04:30 |
| +perlDreamer | there are ways of handling stuff like that | 04:30 |
| +perlDreamer | like doing interim commits in your tree | 04:30 |
| +perlDreamer | or using git-stash | 04:30 |
| daviddelikat1 | I've got quite a bit of stuff I don't think a git-stash woudl suffice | 04:31 |
| daviddelikat1 | would you like me to pass on the patches or would you rather I test them myself? | 04:31 |
| +perlDreamer | for you to test them, you'll need a fresh repo, right? | 04:32 |
| daviddelikat1 | yes | 04:32 |
| +perlDreamer | let me try it, and see what happens | 04:32 |
| +perlDreamer | if it's badly broken, we'll have to sort through it | 04:32 |
| daviddelikat1 | heres the test file http://gist.github.com/205514 | 04:32 |
| daviddelikat1 | heres the EMS module http://gist.github.com/205619 | 04:33 |
| daviddelikat1 | I pulled the current EMS from git to make that, so I feel like it is most likely correct | 04:33 |
| +perlDreamer | and the tests should be a slam dunk, too, right? | 04:34 |
| +perlDreamer | let me run one more javascript test, then I'll try to apply this | 04:34 |
| daviddelikat1 | indeed | 04:34 |
| daviddelikat1 | ok, I might be away for a bit but I'll be back | 04:34 |
| +perlDreamer | np ;) | 04:34 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r27dc773 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the crumb trail flyout menu in the AssetManager. Fixes bug #11080 - http://bit.ly/dsdSp | 04:51 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r586ff9f / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the crumb trail flyout menu in the AssetManager. Fixes bug #11080 - http://bit.ly/EgCLX | 04:51 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat1, the EMS patch is complaining that it might be a reverse patch | 05:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I've tried it as both a reverse patch, and a normal one, and neither one is working well | 05:00 |
| daviddelikat1 | ok I'll work on it some more | 05:00 |
| +perlDreamer | the .orig file should be listed first, probably | 05:01 |
| daviddelikat1 | perlDreamer: try this one http://gist.github.com/205632 | 05:04 |
| daviddelikat1 | I'm not sure what I did with that other bit, but this is what I thought I was sending you... | 05:05 |
| elnino | thanks perlDreamer =) | 05:05 |
| +perlDreamer | bingo! | 05:05 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, the first bug is very serious | 05:05 |
| elnino | yes it is. | 05:06 |
| +perlDreamer | we have unprotected default templates floating around | 05:06 |
| elnino | yes you do. | 05:06 |
| elnino | =) | 05:06 |
| elnino | I think it's probably by asset id.... | 05:06 |
| elnino | and I have a feeling tha tone was added from a contribution or something, because I thought I wrote it. Then found out it wasn't mine. =( | 05:07 |
| elnino | s/tha tone/that one | 05:07 |
| +perlDreamer | that template, and all the others like it, are part of the great template import of 2009. In 7.7.15 | 05:08 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat1: tests run clean | 05:08 |
| +perlDreamer | you're off the hook, dude | 05:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll tell JT to call off the Virus brigade | 05:08 |
| daviddelikat1 | thanks | 05:08 |
| +perlDreamer | strangely, whenever JT needed work done, I'd come down sick and have to miss a few days of work. | 05:09 |
| daviddelikat1 | the only way I could write a virus is by accident... | 05:09 |
| +perlDreamer | These were biological | 05:09 |
| daviddelikat1 | woo biological warfare | 05:09 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rad8b1bb / (3 files in 3 dirs): Make the EMS handle displaying a schedule when the user has not entered in locations. Fixes bug #10874 - http://bit.ly/6Rkam | 05:11 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re6aeb5d / (3 files in 3 dirs): Make the EMS handle displaying a schedule when the user has not entered in locations. Fixes bug #10874 - http://bit.ly/8CbRD | 05:11 |
| elnino | perlDreamer... that same template was rewritten, and a bug occured. With supported hosting, would pb go in and fix that? I'm just trying to undertstand the extent of "support" so I can inform my client. | 05:17 |
| elnino | imported from where? bazaar? | 05:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino, they can definitely do that. | 05:49 |
| +perlDreamer | which template did the customer change? | 05:49 |
| elnino | the customer didn't change it, it was the result of the upgrade pb did. "linked image with caption" - one of my bug reports. | 05:50 |
| +perlDreamer | #1, #2, or #3? | 05:50 |
| elnino | so, would pb investigate like I did? | 05:50 |
| elnino | =) | 05:50 |
| elnino | um.. | 05:50 |
| +perlDreamer | #1 is isDefault | 05:50 |
| elnino | I watned to change the titles.. just a sec | 05:50 |
| +perlDreamer | #3 is centered | 05:50 |
| +perlDreamer | #2 perhaps? | 05:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I assigned #3 to the template designer in charge of the big rewrite | 05:51 |
| elnino | yeah, #2 | 05:51 |
| elnino | it was missing an else | 05:52 |
| +perlDreamer | so that linkTitle was not required | 05:53 |
| elnino | if no linktitle | 05:53 |
| +perlDreamer | then I'm not sure what you mean by "investigate like I did" | 05:53 |
| elnino | well, I loged in, looked at the template, found the missing else statement, and looked at the revision and noticed it was changed during the upgrade. | 05:54 |
| elnino | so is that type of "support" included with the "supported hosting"? | 05:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Perhaps. If they have to log into your site, I think that's a login request. | 05:55 |
| * perlDreamer isn't familiar with all the exact details of PB hosting | 05:55 | |
| elnino | me neither. | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | however, what would probably happen is that you'd make a support board post describing the problem | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | they'd check the default template in a dev site | 05:56 |
| +perlDreamer | and find the same problem | 05:56 |
| elnino | I just want to make sure my client is "happy" with webgui. but more importantly that the expectations are realistic on both sides, since I don't support them anymore. | 05:56 |
| +perlDreamer | you getting out of the hosting biz? | 05:57 |
| elnino | well, the result of the upgrade was that their "button" disappeared (and shortcuts) So I checked the trash, cheked other things, then realized the article was still there, without the image, so I checked that, THENlooked at the template. so it was kinda of a weird one. | 05:58 |
| elnino | they wanted a "professional" hosting solution. Mine is admittedly not "professional" | 05:58 |
| elnino | so they choose pb upon my recommendation | 05:59 |
| * elnino will be back | 05:59 | |
| * perlDreamer too | 06:01 | |
| elnino | well, what I do is , I'm using a friends computer to do hosting for friends sites, or one-person type companies who don't care much. | 06:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | We need Koen to get webgui-starter off the ground. Or we need to get you enough sites that you can do agency hosting | 06:20 |
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| elnino | tell me more about webgui-starter and what you mean? | 06:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think this is public knowledge | 06:45 |
| +perlDreamer | Koen (SynQ) is starting a $5/month WebGUI hosting site | 06:45 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, do you have admin rights on this site? | 06:52 |
| elnino | no. don't expect to. | 06:52 |
| +perlDreamer | how did you find this, then? | 06:52 |
| elnino | what? | 06:53 |
| +perlDreamer | the problem where the template is not set to be default? | 06:53 |
| elnino | oh. the client? | 06:53 |
| elnino | yes, I have an admin account | 06:53 |
| elnino | I should disable myself. | 06:53 |
| +perlDreamer | could you run a SQL Report on there, someplace discreetly, like in the tempspace folder? | 06:53 |
| elnino | sure | 06:53 |
| +perlDreamer | select templateId from template where isDefault <> 1; | 06:54 |
| +perlDreamer | select assetId from template where isDefault <> 1; | 06:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, for all you parents out there: http://www.vdh.state.va.us/epidemiology/DiseasePrevention/H1N1/Video/PSAs/Sneezing101.htm | 06:57 |
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| elnino | what should I be looking at here. | 06:59 |
| elnino | at the report? | 06:59 |
| elnino | they aren't all PBtmplsxxx | 06:59 |
| elnino | so maybe its ust a matter of setting a flag to that template. | 07:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | good point, elnino | 07:01 |
| +perlDreamer | let's help there | 07:01 |
| +perlDreamer | select t.assetId, ad.title from template as t join assetData as ad using (assetId,revisionDate) where isDefault <> 1; | 07:02 |
| elnino | hmm. there are duplicate assetIds with more than one title. | 07:03 |
| elnino | hmm. I guess I misunderstood what isDefault is.. Because I see some of my templates. | 07:04 |
| +perlDreamer | isDefault is for WebGUI System Templates, that ship with the core | 07:04 |
| elnino | which were copied from pb's templates. so apparantly the isdefalt was copied too. | 07:04 |
| elnino | well, this is a bit of a mess. | 07:05 |
| elnino | wait these are NOT system templates. | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 07:06 |
| elnino | I shouldn't be seeing pbtmplxxxxx templates | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | ideally, no | 07:06 |
| elnino | mess. | 07:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | URL? | 07:08 |
| elnino | oh. just a sec. | 07:08 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, not all PB templates are PBtmpl00000000ddddd, either | 07:08 |
| elnino | but alot of them are called "default" and they are pbs. | 07:09 |
| +perlDreamer | if they were copied, they'd have the same title, but different URL | 07:09 |
| elnino | true, but I change my template names.. =) | 07:10 |
| elnino | I sent you the url | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 07:11 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, multiple assetIds means multiple revisions | 07:11 |
| +perlDreamer | so nothing to worry about there | 07:12 |
| +perlDreamer | we can expand the query thusly | 07:12 |
| +perlDreamer | select t.assetId, t.revisionDate, t.isDefault, ad.title from template as t join assetData as ad using (assetId,revisionDate) where isDefault <> 1 order by t.assetId, t.revisionDate; | 07:13 |
| elnino | modified | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, can you reverse the query, and do "where isDefault <> 0", to see if _any_ templates are protected? | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | there are templates in here which haven't been touched in a very long time | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | almost looks like somebody did update template set isDefault=0 or something at some point. | 07:16 |
| elnino | I thought it looked suspicious | 07:16 |
| elnino | perhaps during the great import of 2009? | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | no, all those templates were fixed | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | the package import part of the upgrade automatically sets isDefault=1 on any template coming in | 07:17 |
| mducharme | are there new templates for the story manager in 7.7.21? | 07:17 |
| +perlDreamer | mducharme, I believe so | 07:17 |
| mducharme | I'm still at 7.7.20, but if there are new story manager templates in .21 I could be persuaded to upgrade :) | 07:18 |
| +perlDreamer | there is a new storytopic template | 07:18 |
| mducharme | what's the diff from the previous template? | 07:19 |
| * perlDreamer has no idea | 07:19 | |
| * dreamersgirl doesn't either | 07:22 | |
| mducharme | heh | 07:23 |
| @tavisto | hi dreamersgirl! | 07:33 |
| dreamersgirl | hi tavisto! | 07:33 |
| dreamersgirl | wazzup? | 07:33 |
| @tavisto | not much just saying hi :) working of course | 07:34 |
| dreamersgirl | i'm working too | 07:34 |
| dreamersgirl | only i don't get paid | 07:34 |
| @tavisto | heck yes, all the cool people are | 07:34 |
| @tavisto | boo | 07:34 |
| @tavisto | well for as much as I work, I might get paid $1/ hr. JT, doug, colin, and several others included | 07:35 |
| dreamersgirl | topic of the moment: FDA announcement about the potency of heparin | 07:35 |
| dreamersgirl | :) | 07:35 |
| dreamersgirl | too true | 07:35 |
| @tavisto | no clue | 07:36 |
| +perlDreamer | this might be worth a good giggle, tavisto: http://www.vdh.state.va.us/epidemiology/DiseasePrevention/H1N1/Video/PSAs/Sneezing101.htm | 07:36 |
| @tavisto | I'll watch that one if you watch the Windows 7 "how to throw a release party video" | 07:38 |
| @tavisto | let me get the link... I'm warning you.. it's bad. | 07:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I saw it already | 07:38 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe Microsoft would like to pay me $100,000 to consider upgrading to wG 7 | 07:39 |
| @tavisto | here we go! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cX4t5-YpHQ | 07:39 |
| @tavisto | Microsoft really paid a marketing company to produce this video | 07:39 |
| @tavisto | makes me want to start an advertising company. | 07:40 |
| dreamersgirl | Ew! It's like a really bad infomercial. Blech. | 07:41 |
| @tavisto | dude, it's politically correct and so rehearsed.... They practiced so much for a "real interaction" that you can tell it's sooooooo fake | 07:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Oh no. I am sure that I do not know what you mean. | 07:44 |
| @tavisto | I am rather insulted that there is not an asian person in this video | 07:44 |
| @tavisto | for it to be truly politically correct, they are leaving out the stereotypical "roles" | 07:44 |
| @tavisto | the whole thing is just kinda insulting though. Who would really benefit from this video? | 07:45 |
| dreamersgirl | that's hilarious. they actually paid for it? | 07:45 |
| @tavisto | oh yeah.. this is legit | 07:45 |
| dreamersgirl | they're obviously not targeting the 20-something crowd | 07:45 |
| @tavisto | absolutely not | 07:45 |
| dreamersgirl | did you check out the sneezing video? much better acting, don't ya think? | 07:46 |
| @tavisto | but someone who's 40+ with any sort of techie knowledge... should be insulted | 07:46 |
| @tavisto | haha it's already better | 07:46 |
| @tavisto | oh sick | 07:47 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah! | 07:47 |
| @tavisto | the slime is awesome | 07:47 |
| @tavisto | AHHHHHHH NO MORE ELEVATOR BUTTONS | 07:47 |
| @tavisto | i sneeze the right way! | 07:47 |
| dreamersgirl | for the record? | 07:47 |
| @tavisto | awesome. I love it | 07:47 |
| @tavisto | I do that when I cough too | 07:48 |
| @tavisto | woohoo gold star for me! | 07:48 |
| +perlDreamer | don't touch that doorknob! | 07:49 |
| dreamersgirl | :) You pass FLU 101 | 07:49 |
| @tavisto | woop woop | 07:51 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto: what's an octobox? | 07:59 |
| @tavisto | its an octagon piece of woo | 07:59 |
| @tavisto | dd | 07:59 |
| +perlDreamer | also, peter wants to know when you're getting cat shaped tokens | 08:02 |
| @tavisto | um | 08:03 |
| @tavisto | first step would be to find them | 08:03 |
| @tavisto | most of the time, they are called pawns, tokens, counters, or game pieces | 08:03 |
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| @tavisto | we're looking for zombies, ninjas, and maybe cats and dogs. :) | 08:03 |
| +perlDreamer | this game has them: http://www.gatortots.com/item_328/Kids-Animal-Board-Game-Lucy-and-Pepe.htm | 08:04 |
| +perlDreamer | so they must be made by somebody... | 08:04 |
| @tavisto | most games have custom pieces molded specifically for them | 08:05 |
| @tavisto | fyi | 08:05 |
| @tavisto | but if you can find them, we may consider carrying them | 08:05 |
| +perlDreamer | is it easy to find vendors for that sort of thing? | 08:05 |
| +perlDreamer | google is giving me no joy | 08:05 |
| @tavisto | goodness | 08:13 |
| @tavisto | we've gotten 2 more orders with wrong shipping | 08:13 |
| @tavisto | aieeeeee | 08:13 |
| elnino | perlDreamer, did you want me to do anythign more with/about the template bug? | 08:13 |
| * perlDreamer is suspicious that the template has been altered by hand | 08:13 | |
| @tavisto | i need a shop exspurt! | 08:13 |
| elnino | it was.. in 7.7.19 | 08:14 |
| @tavisto | hehe elnino, that was years ago! | 08:14 |
| elnino | lol | 08:14 |
| @tavisto | I'm using WG 8.5 in my head | 08:14 |
| @tavisto | it's pretty sweet | 08:14 |
| elnino | I looked at the revisions. I didn't do it =) | 08:14 |
| * perlDreamer meant the database, not just the template | 08:15 | |
| elnino | 8.5? really? | 08:15 |
| @tavisto | yep, it's really slick | 08:15 |
| elnino | oh. well. I can create a demo site and run the same | 08:15 |
| elnino | or did you do that? | 08:15 |
| @tavisto | refills my coffee and makes some great scrambled eggs in the morning | 08:15 |
| elnino | cool. | 08:15 |
| * perlDreamer found tanks and submarines | 08:16 | |
| dreamersgirl | 'nite all! | 08:18 |
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| elnino | http://demo.webgui.org/demo1255065396_683 won't let me run it. | 08:19 |
| elnino | or, I suppose all the template on the demo site is set to 1. =) | 08:22 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 08:22 |
| +perlDreamer | since it's built from the same thing I'm using | 08:22 |
| * perlDreamer has to go, too. | 08:24 | |
| elnino | I made a copy of a template, and it displays in th report. so that is good. Hmm. I'll have to run that report on the other sites I have to see what they look like. | 08:24 |
| elnino | good nght. | 08:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease: What's up with that VIES workflow thingy? | 18:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmmm | 18:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | no comment.... | 18:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | It's almot finished | 18:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | the code is anyway | 18:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | but the tests not yet | 18:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | but almost | 18:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | I just haven't worked on it since the wuc | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you think you could finish it up in time for the next release, on this Tuesday? | 18:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 18:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'll see if I can get to this weekend | 18:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | Or maybe monday evening | 18:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | Don't forget to keep spamming me about it =) | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I try not to spam you more than once every few hours | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I mean, weeks ;) | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | The code is on my other laptop | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | __other__ laptop? | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | so I cannot access it from here | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | my netbook thingy | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | the small one | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, I see | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | It's not really a laptop | 18:28 |
| * perlDreamer grumbles jealously. TWO LAPOTPS! | 18:28 | |
| +MrHairgrease | but it runs for almost 6 hour on a single battery | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | while my 'real' laptop lasta only about an hour and a half or so | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you then take the cross product of that data with a flight of 9 hours, you'll see why I bought the small one | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | that, and it's about a third of the weight I guess | 18:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | but the processor sucks | 18:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's an atom Z520 | 18:30 |
| +perlDreamer | if it's so heavy, you should only carry it in your right arm | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | which has been strengthened by lifting biers | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | I also lift beers with my left arm | 18:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | http://github.com/martink/chartmagick/raw/master/scripts/out.png | 19:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | which is being generated by http://github.com/martink/chartmagick/blob/master/scripts/testCM.pl | 19:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | I anybody has the time to check my ChartMagick project out, some feedback would be greatly appreciated. | 19:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | why is it that kids only find things the 2nd time that you tell them to look? | 19:26 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: JT Smith innodb * r1fa3d15 / (2 files): my bad - http://bit.ly/mIfxt | 19:32 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: JT Smith innodb * r120d939 / docs/upgrades/convert-db-to-innodb.sql : got as far as bucketLog - http://bit.ly/WPnxx | 19:32 |
| @preaction | because they're making sure you actually told them to look | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm getting a JS error from the code editor, in FireBug | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | do you wish to see it? | 19:34 |
| @preaction | sure | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | line 289 | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | this._getSelection() is null | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | and it has chained methods, so FF is unhappy | 19:37 |
| @preaction | 289 of code-editor.js? | 19:38 |
| * perlDreamer double checks | 19:39 | |
| +perlDreamer | code-editor.js | 19:39 |
| @preaction | what is the line? i don't have a 289 in mine | 19:40 |
| @preaction | or i do, but it's not the right line. no _getSelection | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm on the 7.7 branch | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, I assumed (badly) that the files were the same in both branches | 19:41 |
| @preaction | 7.7 has more hacks because of 2.6 yui | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | ah | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | given that 1 bug we found, I'm now worried about finding more | 19:42 |
| @preaction | which bug? | 19:43 |
| @preaction | oh the menu bug? | 19:43 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, thatone | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I fixed the other one yesterday | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | with the crumb trail flyout menu | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | somebody is designing up a storm | 20:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | still no answer, tavisto | 20:22 |
| @tavisto | big shock | 20:22 |
| @tavisto | no errors in the log, and it's from dufus so we'll just forget about it | 20:22 |
| * perlDreamer is worried that it's a real AddressBook bug | 20:22 | |
| +perlDreamer | but without help duplicating it, there's no way to be sure | 20:22 |
| @tavisto | If that's the case, then someone credible will run into it in the near future | 20:23 |
| @tavisto | considering we process 5-8 orders a day it should be obvious | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I've seen TGC adds on BGG! | 20:23 |
| @tavisto | yep | 20:23 |
| @tavisto | There should be about 3 million of them appearing | 20:24 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rd1a993a / (3 files in 2 dirs): | 20:24 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Fix rendering of the Edit Profile screen. Fixes bug #10956. | 20:24 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Change the template and CSS so that the "view as others" link is not | 20:24 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: inline with the tabs. This prevents them from overlapping. - http://bit.ly/EDA4e | 20:24 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r361c281 / (3 files in 2 dirs): | 20:24 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Fix rendering of the Edit Profile screen. Fixes bug #10956. | 20:24 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Change the template and CSS so that the "view as others" link is not | 20:24 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: inline with the tabs. This prevents them from overlapping. - http://bit.ly/ilVkF | 20:24 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r35efdfd / (4 files in 2 dirs): Move packages to the right location. Fixes bug #10956 - http://bit.ly/4Cldui | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | bug -- | 20:25 |
| @preaction | yay! | 20:27 |
| +perlDreamer | any chance of you being bugalicious today? | 20:28 |
| @preaction | not really, i've got to get this admin console spec out the door | 20:29 |
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| elnino | is it iintentuional to have" Matrix Default Screenshots Config" as a package in 7.7.17? | 23:29 |
| @preaction | probably not | 23:29 |
| elnino | ok | 23:29 |
| elnino | if you delete a user, what happens to the version tags that were created as that user? do they still show up? | 23:38 |
| elnino | in the version tag history? | 23:38 |
| elnino | Oh, I can try this and see. never mine | 23:38 |
| elnino | s/min/mind | 23:38 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: JT Smith innodb * r382d3a6 / docs/upgrades/convert-db-to-innodb.sql : added up to cartItem - http://bit.ly/4vbGT | 03:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | Hey, Haarg! Just the guy I was looking for. | 04:40 |
| @Haarg | oh? | 04:40 |
| +perlDreamer | can you review a wgdev plugin, please? | 04:40 |
| +perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/208050 | 04:41 |
| +perlDreamer | it does half of what I want so far | 04:42 |
| +perlDreamer | the 2nd check is to make sure that all assets in a package live under some common folder | 04:42 |
| @Haarg | seems pretty much fine. only real problem i see is the name. | 04:44 |
| * perlDreamer is open to a better name | 04:45 | |
| +perlDreamer | releasecheck seemed too long | 04:45 |
| +perlDreamer | package is taken | 04:45 |
| @Haarg | package-check or release-check is kind of what i was thinking. i'm not sure. you are the main person who will be using it, but i'd prefer to keep keep the names using the same scheme. | 04:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Hyphen is a legal character in package names? | 04:49 |
| @Haarg | - is converted to :: | 04:50 |
| @Haarg | export-branch -> WGDev::Command::Export::Branch | 04:50 |
| +perlDreamer | that certainly helps expand the namespace | 04:54 |
| +perlDreamer | it only seems a little odd that there isn't a Release.pm above it anyway | 04:54 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rc76f593 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix description field of the Story RSS feed. Fixes bug #11112 - http://bit.ly/2C7mTM | 05:04 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r08f6bd8 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix description field of the Story RSS feed. Fixes bug #11112 - http://bit.ly/bUanZ | 05:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | I did my first branch work this weekend | 05:11 |
| +perlDreamer | let's see how well it merges... | 05:11 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, and Haarg, I added some cleanup code for more Shop stuff. | 05:12 |
| +perlDreamer | A cart will now cleanup its addressBook if it exists | 05:12 |
| @Haarg | cool | 05:13 |
| +perlDreamer | hmmm... no commit messages | 05:23 |
| +perlDreamer | but according to the history on github, it's in there | 05:33 |
| +perlDreamer | bbiaw | 05:33 |
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| SynQ | morning | 07:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, everyone | 18:03 |
| +bartjol | morning | 18:04 |
| +bartjol | I am writing tests... | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | awesome! | 18:05 |
| +perlDreamer | for what? | 18:05 |
| +bartjol | that macro from last week | 18:05 |
| +bartjol | but now I'm mostly thinking on the best way to test, thinking of counting regex's | 18:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | bartjol: about the deleted user/version tag bug, it's because of the Cache | 18:22 |
| +perlDreamer | the user data is _still_ in the cache, so a call to new will still work until the cache is cleaned up | 18:23 |
| +bartjol | ah | 18:23 |
| +bartjol | I was wondering that | 18:23 |
| +perlDreamer | you were on the right track | 18:23 |
| +bartjol | but had n't had the patience yet :) | 18:23 |
| +bartjol | well, just look what it does | 18:23 |
| +bartjol | mysql calls are not that heavily cached I suppose | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | some are, like User, Asset and a few others | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | but the User cache is supposed to have been cleaned up on delete | 18:24 |
| +bartjol | ok, I was alrady thinking it was more a bug that you could see the username instead of the other way around | 18:25 |
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| +bartjol | mm, test failed | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | network's going down, be back in 10 | 18:40 |
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| +bartjol | hey Kathy | 18:41 |
| +bartjol | no pics, sorry | 18:41 |
| +bartjol | I just bought those | 18:41 |
| +bartjol | not yet on the walls | 18:41 |
| dreamersgirl | yeah, i figured. plus, you still need to get them on the walls, yeah? | 18:42 |
| +bartjol | ideed | 18:42 |
| dreamersgirl | it sounds like your house is coming togther! | 18:42 |
| dreamersgirl | are you still without a kitchen? | 18:43 |
| +bartjol | kitchen will take a while, first a shower | 18:46 |
| +bartjol | but there's still progress | 18:46 |
| +bartjol | mmm, my tests failed because I installed Dutch, fixed the test | 18:50 |
| +bartjol | trying to make Colin proud by testing my code | 18:51 |
| dreamersgirl | he'll be happy | 18:52 |
| dreamersgirl | :) | 18:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | dreamersgirl: PGE was by today to replace the power meter | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | apparently the old meter was "dumb" | 19:06 |
| +bartjol | hey, I got a new powermeter too | 19:06 |
| dreamersgirl | that's so they can start charging us different rates at different times of the day/night | 19:06 |
| perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: does the new powermeter allow you to pull data off it? | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I wouldn't doubt that it allows data to be pulled off of it | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | as to whether _I_ get to do it or not... | 19:07 |
| perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: some of the new power meters have two way data so that appliances can know how much power costs and adjust their schedules for cheaper power. | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | even if the meter is smart, the appliances are dumb | 19:08 |
| perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: but you're smart. I bet 30 minutes with the right components and you'd have a micro doing it all for you ;) | 19:09 |
| dreamersgirl | Sounds like a challenge. :) | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | perhaps. Right now I'm having SElinux issues | 19:09 |
| perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: you have my sympathy. Those are the worst kinds of issues to have. | 19:09 |
| dreamersgirl | hey pD, Bart's writing tests. He wanted to make you proud... :) | 19:11 |
| perlmonkey21 | hey dreamersgirl, just realized who you were :) | 19:12 |
| dreamersgirl | yup, that's me. | 19:13 |
| dreamersgirl | I'm listening to a 4 hour lecture that could easily be given in 1 hour. | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | hit the fast forward button | 19:14 |
| +bartjol | perlDreamer: it looks like Cover gives me a 100% | 19:15 |
| +perlDreamer | that is good | 19:15 |
| +perlDreamer | now, do all of your tests pass? ;) | 19:15 |
| +bartjol | yes | 19:15 |
| +bartjol | I forgot that installed dutch, and after that I forgot to reset a counter | 19:15 |
| dreamersgirl | no fast forward button | 19:18 |
| dreamersgirl | just good company on IRC | 19:18 |
| dreamersgirl | finishing other assignments and studying for other classes | 19:19 |
| +bartjol | perlDreamer: and this time in git with dir structure | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | nice :) | 19:20 |
| +bartjol | but that adding is not yet approved | 19:21 |
| +bartjol | and it is food and smoke time now | 19:22 |
| +bartjol | perlDreamer: is that sturcture expected from WebGUI/ before /lib/because that is what is included in the package | 19:25 |
| +bartjol | or is it lib/ | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | lib/WebGUI/Macro | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | the closer it is to the real thing, the better | 19:25 |
| +bartjol | a, started to early then | 19:25 |
| +bartjol | did it in WebGUI/lib/WebgUI/Maco | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | which level is the top of the repository? lib, or WebGUI? | 19:26 |
| +bartjol | WebGUI | 19:26 |
| +bartjol | I will not use that as my top level next time | 19:28 |
| +bartjol | slowly learning... | 19:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | you should be able to do a git mv the directories into the right place. | 19:29 |
| +bartjol | ok, will look to that, but now it is feeding time | 19:29 |
| dreamersgirl | happy feeding | 19:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | are there any non-Red Hat WebGUI users in the channel? | 19:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | dreamersgirl, it's cold in here | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | how does one turn on the heat? | 20:01 |
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| dreamersgirl | push the arrow up button to set it higher temporarily--i think it resets around 2pm | 20:04 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rfc6bea0 / (4 files in 4 dirs): SC should have OR based term matching on the title and description. Fixes bug #11121 - http://bit.ly/2Crtpx | 20:39 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4ebd403 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Changelog notice for USPS insurance estimator. - http://bit.ly/DZDPY | 20:39 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc2fde74 / (4 files in 4 dirs): SC should have OR based term matching on the title and description. Fixes bug #11121 - http://bit.ly/DwKbQ | 20:39 |
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| dreamersgirl | perlDreamer: you warmer now? | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | a little | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | it only just turned on now | 20:47 |
| dreamersgirl | i know a nice kitty who'd like to help..i hear he's a great snuggler ;) | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | bopbop: you've been quiet for a while. You aren't planning a new bug reporting onslaught, are you? | 20:51 |
| @bopbop | nope - no worries :) | 20:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | dreamersgirl, right now he's more interested in sleeping on the dog | 20:56 |
| dreamersgirl | oh, sorry. guess you're out of luck. | 20:57 |
| dreamersgirl | now we've switched to talking about MS. Slightly more interesting.... | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | Microsoft? | 20:59 |
| dreamersgirl | Multiple Sclerosis. It's a case study for a home health visit to a patient with multiple sclerosis. | 21:00 |
| dreamersgirl | But it's all review. I used to work with someone who had MS. | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | oh? | 21:00 |
| dreamersgirl | And I know this amazing nurse who used to manage home health nurses. ;) | 21:00 |
| dreamersgirl | One of the nurses at the clinic. | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I need another utility, for listing assetIds in a package. Should it go in Command/Package, or should I place it elsewhere? | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | nm, turns out it uses a bunch of the code from Release/Check.pm | 21:18 |
| dreamersgirl | Lunchtime!!! Bye. | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | bye :) | 21:21 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, it might make sense to extract some package code and make a WGDev::Package at some point. i may look at that when i work on the packge-split command i want to make. | 21:28 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 21:28 |
| +perlDreamer | this thing is already helping me a lot | 21:29 |
| +perlDreamer | apparently the fix for packages/isDefault on the merged shunt package only works on some systems | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | so all templates from that package need to be re flagged | 21:30 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re0563da / (2 files): Unify templates in different packages. - http://bit.ly/mwlGv | 21:38 |
| +perlDreamer | yay! package bug detected and fixed _before_ the upgrade | 21:39 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | preaction: you think you could pull off the directions on the bottom? http://www.aldenteblog.com/2009/10/us-team-battles-for-oatmeal-honors.html | 23:38 |
| @preaction | probably not | 23:39 |
| @preaction | finding the ingredients might be the most difficult part for me, i don't live in a very good area for rare stuff | 23:39 |
| @preaction | but then, i never looked | 23:40 |
| +perlmonkey2 | preaction: ah, you sir should check out amazon's grocer. Lots and lots of good stuff on the cheap. | 23:43 |
| +perlmonkey2 | but yeah, unsalted butter? Do they even sell that? | 23:43 |
| @preaction | oh, yeah, I can find that at walmart or festival | 23:44 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | hmm, only other thing that looks hard is the liqueur and the steel oats. and amazon has the oats for a decent price and I wouldn't add the liqueur for fear of burning off my face. | 23:44 |
| * perlDreamer is off trying to fix the hot water heater. I'll backlog as necessary | 23:44 | |
| @preaction | good luck perlDreamer | 23:45 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: may the power of the exposed butt crack be with you. | 23:45 |
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| +cap10morgan | to post to a CS using the API, would you just create new Thread/Post instances and then run setParent on them? | 00:05 |
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| @Haarg | you would create the Thread or Post using $csAsset->addChild | 00:06 |
| +cap10morgan | ah, ok | 00:06 |
| +cap10morgan | that makes more sense | 00:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, it's dead | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | there's power in the circuit breaker, outlet, wires, fuses and all the way to the board | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | but the board is dead | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | however, I think we're under warranty still, so it's just no hot water for a few days | 01:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | hey, patspam! | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | nice blog post :) | 02:06 |
| +patspam | hey perlDreamer! | 02:06 |
| @preaction | oh, nice, Plack does middleware. Plack + Modern WebGUI == Django (a framework I feel is worth emulating) | 02:12 |
| +patspam | PlebGoose? | 02:12 |
| @preaction | but i second Paul's comments, if this can be where WebGUI 8 goes, it will be awesome | 02:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I really like the sound of it, but I remember trying to fix bugs back when WebGUI would work as a CGI, and it was a nightmare | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | hopefully Plack will hide some of that pain | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | crap! | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | double, stinky, effervescent crap!! | 02:17 |
| @preaction | definately gonna target psgi in modern webgui. just have to leave myself a note | 02:17 |
| @preaction | uhoh? | 02:17 |
| @preaction | i hate it when my crap effervesces | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | it's the merged package problem from the 7.6.35-7.7.17 upgrade | 02:18 |
| @preaction | again? | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | still | 02:18 |
| @preaction | ouch | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | the set of templates that were changed seems to differ from site to site | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | so I don't see too many other options that to iterate over all 203 of them, one by one | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | and you can't use getLineage on the import node, since that may have user templates and folders as well | 02:19 |
| @preaction | on the one server i upgraded, they were all the same packages on all the sites on that server | 02:19 |
| @preaction | grab a list of assetIds from create.sql | 02:20 |
| @preaction | easier than typing them out yourself | 02:20 |
| * perlDreamer used wgd release-utility to get the list of asset ids from the merged package :) | 02:20 | |
| +perlDreamer | I'm hoping that Haarg will let me commit it soon, so that everyone can start using it | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | because its main purpose is to make sure that no bad packages exist before doing an upgrade | 02:22 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rc8a376a / (2 files in 2 dirs): Reset isPackage and isDefault on every asset from the 7.6.35 to 7.7.17 upgrade. Fixes bug #11115 and #11106 - http://bit.ly/VCiHv | 02:41 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: what do you want to do with the DataForm up/down bug? | 02:47 |
| @preaction | did we switch it to webgui.org only? | 02:48 |
| +perlDreamer | no, but we can. There's the issue of Haarg not being able to dupicate it at all. | 02:49 |
| +perlDreamer | change that, yes we did. | 02:49 |
| @preaction | i dunno, if we've taken it as far as we can for now, we'll just have to wait for some insight | 02:51 |
| @preaction | it's not blocking releases, so we're good for now | 02:51 |
| * perlDreamer will move on | 02:55 | |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, do you know if all wiki pages are supposed to be owned by Admin? | 04:27 |
| @preaction | i think so. at least, i think that owner is not used for permissions purposes | 04:27 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, but it is! | 04:28 |
| +perlDreamer | it's used by the children of the page, like form attachments | 04:28 |
| +perlDreamer | which means that if a regular user creates a page, then uploads an attachment, they can't delete it since they don't own the attachment! | 04:28 |
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| * perlDreamer waves his hands and conjures a large, orange hairy monster wearing tennis shoes to prove the point | 04:29 | |
| @preaction | but anyone should be able to delete the attachment | 04:29 |
| +perlDreamer | "should", yes | 04:29 |
| +perlDreamer | "can", no | 04:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Asset/WikiPage line 354 in the 7.7 branch | 04:32 |
| +perlDreamer | overrides the permission assigned to the attachement from Form/Attachments.pm, and replaces the userId by the page's owner, who is admin. | 04:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | hey, ekennedy! | 05:02 |
| ekennedy | hi PD how are you. | 05:03 |
| +perlDreamer | feverish | 05:04 |
| ekennedy | Because of work or H1N1? | 05:04 |
| +perlDreamer | it's some kind of flu, for sure | 05:05 |
| ekennedy | bummer. what are you working on? | 05:06 |
| +perlDreamer | there is a bug in the wiki | 05:06 |
| +perlDreamer | where, if a user uploads an attachment, they can't delete it | 05:06 |
| +perlDreamer | it's almost untestable from the API, because it uses processPropertiesFromFormPost instead of update | 05:06 |
| +perlDreamer | but I think I have a way around it | 05:06 |
| ekennedy | good. I'd pulled up the bug list earlier to day but never got back to look at it to see how things were going. | 05:07 |
| +perlDreamer | it's slow progress | 05:07 |
| +perlDreamer | what are you up to nowadays? | 05:12 |
| ekennedy | I had to move a mail, mailing list, WebGUI sites, and Wordpress sites off of an old server to a new one. There were a bunch of moving pieces so that kept me busy for a bit. | 05:14 |
| ekennedy | Looking into some possible reseller opportunities that could make sense for possible clients. | 05:15 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 05:15 |
| ekennedy | Made some significant progress on the 1-to-many Thingy relationship. Need to get back to that sometime this week. | 05:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | I know many people, including the people at Knowmad, who would really like that kind of functionality in the Thingy. | 05:19 |
| ekennedy | Yes. I think it would be a good addition. I've got a prototype put together but it needs to be finished. | 05:20 |
| +perlDreamer | hehe. I can call www_editSave to add assets! | 05:33 |
| +perlDreamer | it's crude, but it works | 05:33 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4b8ab2a / (4 files in 4 dirs): | 06:23 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: WikiPage attachments need groupToEdit to be the same as the ancestor wiki groupToEditPage, otherwise users's cannot edit their own attachments. Fixes bug #11057 | 06:23 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Also, update the test to use addToCleanup. - http://bit.ly/W1OUZ | 06:23 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rf0b2ab3 / (4 files in 4 dirs): | 06:23 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: WikiPage attachments need groupToEdit to be the same as the ancestor wiki groupToEditPage, otherwise users's cannot edit their own attachments. Fixes bug #11057 | 06:23 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Also, update the test to use addToCleanup. - http://bit.ly/6PIjM | 06:23 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r20d0630 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix the Survey Edit icon. Fixes bug #11122 - http://bit.ly/1O1G7S | 07:41 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rc9582bb / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix the Survey Edit icon. Fixes bug #11122 - http://bit.ly/RCj8h | 07:42 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, I believe we're down below 20 fixable bugs against the core | 07:53 |
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| +patspam | man, how slow is the 7.7.18-7.7.19 upgrade script! | 10:01 |
| * patspam wishes a sql sub-select had been used | 10:02 | |
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| * patspam wonders if he should commit his upgrade-7.7.18-7.7.19.pl performance optimisations | 11:01 | |
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| +BartJol | patspam: well you can do it to your own repository right | 11:18 |
| +patspam | definitely! | 11:19 |
| +BartJol | it can optimisations are good | 11:20 |
| +patspam | just wondering if it's funny to commit optimisations to old upgrade scripts | 11:20 |
| +BartJol | and they can be added later to the webgui repository | 11:20 |
| +BartJol | well, quite some people are bhind with upgrading | 11:21 |
| +BartJol | so it does help them | 11:21 |
| +patspam | yeah ok, I will then | 11:23 |
| +BartJol | so, and it looks like all my language stuff is complete now, maybe some end-user improvements, but functionality is complete | 11:25 |
| +patspam | awesome! | 11:25 |
| +BartJol | yeah, just waiting till it is packaged | 11:26 |
| +BartJol | and prepare wg8 rewriting | 11:27 |
| +patspam | heh totally | 11:28 |
| +BartJol | oh, maybe should look into perl 6... | 11:28 |
| +BartJol | done packing? | 11:28 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Patrick Donelan webgui-7.7 * r3569647 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.18-7.7.19.pl : Speed up upgrade_7.7.18-7.7.19.pl - better late than never? - http://bit.ly/m9y9x | 11:30 |
| +patspam | heh I got totally side-tracked last week with PlebGUI, still lots of packing to do | 11:30 |
| +BartJol | PlebGUI? missed that one | 11:30 |
| +BartJol | I need internet at home | 11:30 |
| +BartJol | already happy with electricity at the moment actually | 11:31 |
| +patspam | that's ok, I only blogged about it last night | 11:31 |
| +patspam | you been working on the house? | 11:31 |
| +BartJol | well, I finally bought tiles for my bathroom walls | 11:33 |
| +patspam | heh awesome, I remember helping my buddy tile his bathroom | 11:34 |
| +BartJol | I should make water piping nect 1.5 week | 11:34 |
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| CIA-56 | WebGUI: translation * r12376 /translations/German/German/Asset_Thingy.pm: Updating German on translation server | 13:56 |
| carogray | morning g'day... | 14:12 |
| carogray | trying to get rid of a whole bunch of Word anchors | 14:12 |
| carogray | can you give me the regular expression for "everything after _Toc"? | 14:13 |
| carogray | wait amin never mind | 14:14 |
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| +BartJol | carogray: you're ok with that? | 14:49 |
| carogray | nope - on regex giving me a hard time cause I am not following there 1, 2, 3 4 rules | 14:50 |
| carogray | the people are as bad as the the program:)! | 14:50 |
| +BartJol | I would say it backwards, but hey | 14:50 |
| carogray | hey is right | 14:50 |
| carogray | YOU do not talk like a program! | 14:51 |
| carogray | if only there were programs that were as intelligent and helpful as yourself, then we would be in a different world all together and people would not hate computers so much! | 14:51 |
| +BartJol | :) | 14:52 |
| +BartJol | I talk english like am Dutch, with quite some mistake, but the intention is there | 14:52 |
| carogray | the intention always shines through | 14:53 |
| * BartJol almost blushes :) | 14:53 | |
| carogray | so...so - any ideas? I have tried _Toc/d, _Toc[0-9], | 14:53 |
| +BartJol | mmm regex's are not my strongholt, but you want only the part afte _Toc right | 14:54 |
| +BartJol | is that a special amount of digits? | 14:55 |
| carogray | I want to find all _Toc with 9 digits after | 14:55 |
| +BartJol | I can image that the _ needs a backslash though | 14:55 |
| carogray | mm | 14:55 |
| carogray | will try | 14:55 |
| +BartJol | so \_Toc[0-9] | 14:56 |
| carogray | reading Reg Expressions help - I think I need + sign it's the extra numbers | 14:57 |
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| JDanPl | carogray:DO you need text _Toc finished by 9 digits? | 15:01 |
| carogray | yes please | 15:02 |
| JDanPl | \_Toc\d+$ for any number od digits | 15:03 |
| JDanPl | and | 15:03 |
| JDanPl | \_Tos\d{9}$ - for 9 digits if I remember, I'll check | 15:03 |
| JDanPl | Yes, the best is \_Toc\d{9}$ | 15:05 |
| +BartJol | ah, some international users: I also templated my PickLanguage macro | 15:06 |
| carogray | YAY! Brilliant! | 15:06 |
| +BartJol | very good JDanPl | 15:06 |
| carogray | thanks so much JDanPl! I have been reading stuff on regular expressions and I NEVER would have figured that one out! {}? WOW! thanks again | 15:07 |
| +BartJol | preaction: you know whether there are some country flags somewhere in the extra dir | 15:08 |
| +BartJol | I want to include them in my template | 15:09 |
| +BartJol | mmm I need feedback | 15:12 |
| JDanPl | carogray: you can ask. Some days ago I had to learn about regex. | 15:14 |
| carogray | k, thanks again | 15:16 |
| carogray | bartjol: you know preaction probably isn't even up yet! | 15:16 |
| +BartJol | yeah, but I like to bother him | 15:16 |
| carogray | alrighty | 15:16 |
| +BartJol | mmm, have to rewrite tests | 15:16 |
| +BartJol | because of my templating... | 15:17 |
| +BartJol | counting question marks doesn't do it anymore | 15:18 |
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| daviddelikat1 | question about the behaviour of default asset edit forms... | 16:56 |
| daviddelikat1 | I have added some template ids to an asset and they are displaying fine, the templates exist, etc | 16:56 |
| daviddelikat1 | but they do not have the edit/manage buttons next to them in the form | 16:57 |
| daviddelikat1 | see http://imagebin.ca/view/aqPbNf-y.html | 16:57 |
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| +BartJol | you are a user with guru UI level? | 17:09 |
| daviddelikat1 | yes | 17:09 |
| +BartJol | mmm | 17:11 |
| +BartJol | it is an ems submission right | 17:12 |
| daviddelikat1 | its a new feature | 17:13 |
| +BartJol | ah | 17:13 |
| +BartJol | are that classes new? | 17:16 |
| daviddelikat1 | yes | 17:16 |
| +BartJol | Probably they need some property so the edit function does recognise them | 17:17 |
| daviddelikat1 | yep...... I've had this problem before, I just can't remember the solution. | 17:18 |
| +BartJol | looks like one of those "aaah there it is" thingies | 17:19 |
| daviddelikat1 | indeed | 17:19 |
| +BartJol | isn't there a template for that? | 17:30 |
| +BartJol | like in the survery | 17:30 |
| daviddelikat1 | template for what? | 17:31 |
| +BartJol | the edit screen | 17:31 |
| +BartJol | it is generated somewhere | 17:31 |
| daviddelikat1 | no I think that gets generated from scratch for the asset based on the definition | 17:32 |
| +BartJol | but thqat drop down menu is generated automatically | 17:32 |
| +BartJol | ? | 17:33 |
| daviddelikat1 | I'm pretty sure the whole thing gets generated automagically | 17:33 |
| daviddelikat1 | I'm pretty sure I could find the solution, but I'm in no rush, I've got lots todo before this really matters... ( days really ) so if no one has an answer I'll go find it when I need it. | 17:35 |
| +BartJol | this looks a bit like it: /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form/Template.pm: $buttons .= $session->icon->manage("op=assetManager",$template->getParent->get("url")); | 17:38 |
| +BartJol | at least, the generation of that stuff | 17:38 |
| +BartJol | in sub toHtmlWithWrapper | 17:39 |
| daviddelikat1 | yes, thats the code that generates the manage button | 17:40 |
| daviddelikat1 | there should be one close by that generates the edit button | 17:40 |
| +BartJol | indeed, just above | 17:41 |
| +BartJol | in the same sub | 17:41 |
| +BartJol | maybe something missing in the definition | 17:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, everybody | 18:00 |
| +BartJol | morning | 18:01 |
| +BartJol | my tests from yesterday are almost useless again | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | what happened? | 18:04 |
| +BartJol | I reprogrammed my macro, so it is templatable | 18:04 |
| +BartJol | and I wanna have little icons from flags in the i18n properties of languages | 18:04 |
| +BartJol | to add them as a tmpl_var | 18:05 |
| +perlDreamer | that sounds very cool | 18:05 |
| +BartJol | it actually is | 18:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I can show you how to easily test the template code, if that will help | 18:05 |
| +perlDreamer | also, WRE day is next week, and I don't see any reason that you shouldn't be able to get the international code into the core, if it's been approved | 18:05 |
| +BartJol | ooh, that would help, because I didn't see that much template testing | 18:05 |
| +BartJol | the rfe is approved, maybe not my code | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | there isn't much, but Haarg has just recently built some ways to make it easier | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | let me find an example... | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | t/Workflow/Activity/SendNewsletters.t | 18:07 |
| +BartJol | mmm, accidently made a forum post, which might make JT angry towards me | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | it sets up a fake template that will give you the template variables | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | forum post? which one? | 18:07 |
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| +BartJol | ah that is in 7.7.20 or higher> | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat1: if you want fancy buttons next to the template drop-down, you have to assign a defaultValue | 18:09 |
| daviddelikat1 | they do have defaultValue set. | 18:09 |
| +BartJol | aah cool perlDreamer I'm gonna read that | 18:10 |
| daviddelikat1 | I just copied the definitions that the other templates used | 18:10 |
| daviddelikat1 | and much like the last time I did this, it doesn't give me the buttons | 18:10 |
| +BartJol | but unfutunately I have to go now, but this file will help | 18:10 |
| daviddelikat1 | I just can't remember what I did last tiem to fix it... | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | holler back if you need help, BartJol | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat1: the parent of the template has to be defined to display the Manage button | 18:11 |
| daviddelikat1 | the parent is the same as the other items before it | 18:11 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: Patrick Donelan master * r439f93f / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm : Further fix to Survey macro processing changes - http://bit.ly/3dlIPn | 18:14 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: Patrick Donelan master * r04dc7c0 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.18-7.7.19.pl : Speed up upgrade_7.7.18-7.7.19.pl - better late than never? - http://bit.ly/1QQzkX | 18:21 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4add0e0 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Updated the Article with Images template. Fixes bug #11107 - http://bit.ly/j1oDL | 18:32 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r3eadb24 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Updated the Article with Images template. Fixes bug #11107 - http://bit.ly/16MRmL | 18:32 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r66be239 / (3 files in 2 dirs): | 18:32 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Package maintenance. | 18:32 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Move article folder package into correct place. | 18:32 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Remove duplicate article template. - http://bit.ly/Ny0Ws | 18:32 |
| daviddelikat1 | what is the intended difference between synopses and description? | 19:25 |
| +shopDreamer | synopsis, short, used for metadata. No HTML or else you are killed. | 19:30 |
| +shopDreamer | description, big, lots of HTML. The meat of the asset | 19:30 |
| +shopDreamer | did you figure out your template button issue? | 19:30 |
| daviddelikat1 | can I use synopsis for a summary of the purpose of the Event Submission Form? | 19:30 |
| +shopDreamer | what is the Event Submission Form? | 19:31 |
| +shopDreamer | Calendar, or EMS? | 19:31 |
| daviddelikat1 | I have not fixed the template buttons yet. -- I was putting a line out to see if somebody recognized the issue... | 19:31 |
| daviddelikat1 | its for EMS | 19:32 |
| daviddelikat1 | summary: | 19:32 |
| daviddelikat1 | admins create a custom submission form so that users can enter some info about what they want to do for instance talk about why webgui is the best CMS in the universe and they submit that and admins consider it, approve it and decide when it should happen. | 19:33 |
| +shopDreamer | I would use a different field, because the synopsis has "side effects" | 19:34 |
| daviddelikat1 | all in the context of an existing EMS 'event' | 19:34 |
| daviddelikat1 | ah, thats what I was wonding | 19:35 |
| daviddelikat1 | thanks | 19:35 |
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| +shopDreamer | preaction: I'm having some test failures related to Subscribable | 19:50 |
| @preaction | shopDreamer: okay, give me a couple minutes | 19:51 |
| @preaction | shopDreamer: okay, what's up? | 20:04 |
| +shopDreamer | branch, master. t/Asset/WikiPage.t | 20:04 |
| +shopDreamer | I committed the tag for a wikipage, and Subscribable is trying to send a notification | 20:05 |
| +shopDreamer | phone | 20:05 |
| +shopDreamer | back | 20:08 |
| +shopDreamer | I set skipNotification on the wiki, and the wikipage, but it's still sending notifications | 20:08 |
| +shopDreamer | what do I do to tell it not to send notifications? | 20:08 |
| +shopDreamer | and why is addRevision clearing skipNotifications? | 20:08 |
| @preaction | because you should have to explicitly set skipNotifications after adding a new revision | 20:12 |
| +shopDreamer | okay, let me make sure I have this | 20:13 |
| +shopDreamer | create a wiki, set skipNotifications to 0 in the properties. | 20:14 |
| +shopDreamer | commit it | 20:14 |
| +shopDreamer | set skipNotifications back to 0 again via update | 20:14 |
| +shopDreamer | add a page to the wiki | 20:14 |
| +shopDreamer | and that will do it? | 20:14 |
| @preaction | wikis never notify | 20:15 |
| @preaction | only wiki pages notify | 20:16 |
| +shopDreamer | preaction: http://gist.github.com/209387 | 20:21 |
| +shopDreamer | it won't turn off | 20:21 |
| @preaction | yeah, i'm trying | 20:21 |
| +shopDreamer | it's worse than zombies | 20:36 |
| +shopDreamer | because if it ate my brainz it would at least be over and I could join the undead horde bent on incidental world domination | 20:36 |
| +shopDreamer | yay, new parts for hot water heater should show up tomorrow | 20:45 |
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| carogray | how does login affect page layout templates and CSS - still struggling with IE 6 | 20:47 |
| carogray | logged out no CSS shows at all | 20:47 |
| carogray | logged in works perfectment | 20:47 |
| +shopDreamer | is the CSS in a snippet? | 20:47 |
| carogray | it's in the page layout template | 20:48 |
| carogray | not the style template | 20:48 |
| carogray | oops - sorry yesCSS forgot how to read there for a sec | 20:48 |
| carogray | CSS is in a snippet | 20:48 |
| +shopDreamer | is that snippet set to be viewable by everyone? | 20:48 |
| carogray | I think so cause it works in FF, Google, IE 8 | 20:48 |
| carogray | checking | 20:49 |
| carogray | yep, viewable by everyone | 20:50 |
| carogray | its' test4.mlri.org - anything but home page | 20:50 |
| carogray | or about us | 20:51 |
| carogray | those two not worried about | 20:51 |
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| +cap10morgan | is there a way to get cs->addChild to not create a version tag for each individual thread? | 21:17 |
| +shopDreamer | in code, or through the interface? | 21:18 |
| +cap10morgan | code | 21:19 |
| +shopDreamer | when you call addChild, you can tell it to skip autocommit workflows | 21:19 |
| +shopDreamer | addChild($propertyHash, undef, undef, { skipAutoCommitWorkflows => 1}); | 21:19 |
| +shopDreamer | check the POD on the exact spelling and placement of those parameters | 21:19 |
| +cap10morgan | that's confusing, autocommit sounds like it would it, you know, automatically commit | 21:19 |
| +cap10morgan | i'm getting a bunch of uncommitted version tags after my script runs | 21:20 |
| @preaction | because you didn't run requestAutoCommit. there's a second part to it | 21:20 |
| +cap10morgan | where/how does one do that? | 21:21 |
| +cap10morgan | is VersionTag::requestAutoCommit a class method? | 21:22 |
| @preaction | it's better to do skipAutoCommitWorkflows and commit the version tag after all threads are created | 21:22 |
| @preaction | that's not a version tag method, it's an asset method | 21:22 |
| +cap10morgan | yes, i would rather do that | 21:22 |
| +cap10morgan | ok, i'll try it w/ skip auto commit | 21:22 |
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| +shopDreamer | preaction: any luck with skipNotification? | 21:41 |
| @preaction | not yet, i got called for something else, once this is done i can go back to skipNotification | 21:41 |
| +shopDreamer | okely dokely | 21:42 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: Graham Knop static_definition * r89b7ecd / lib/WebGUI/Definition/Asset.pm : Asset definitions use tableName, not table_name - http://bit.ly/3zHYye | 22:32 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Graham Knop static_definition * rad0d81e / lib/WebGUI/Definition.pm : documentation adjustments - http://bit.ly/dbZYk | 22:32 |
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| * shopDreamer is heading out to pick up the boys from school | 00:03 | |
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| +shopDreamer | thanks again for fixing the survey, patspam | 01:16 |
| +patspam | pleasure shopman! | 01:18 |
| +shopDreamer | patspam, just how much faster is the 7.7.18 upgrade after your commit? | 02:03 |
| +patspam | sorry I haven't benchmarked it.. I got so bored waiting for the original version to finish that I wrote the optimisation | 02:04 |
| +patspam | I'll benchmark it | 02:04 |
| * shopDreamer doesn't need exact numbers | 02:04 | |
| +shopDreamer | it took a very long time to upgrade some very large servers that I work with regularly | 02:05 |
| +patspam | the original version hadn't finished after 20 mins on my site snapshot | 02:05 |
| +shopDreamer | yeah, 45-60 minutes for a big site is what I remember, so that makes sense | 02:05 |
| * shopDreamer steps out to get some groceries | 02:30 | |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r35827a5 / (13 files in 7 dirs): | 03:22 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Fix bug #10914. | 03:22 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Move email notifications about of PayDriver and into Transaction. Send | 03:22 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: a notification when the cart value is 0 due to shop credit. - http://bit.ly/3OaMmm | 03:22 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3e27b05 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Moved package to the correct location. - http://bit.ly/2sJPeN | 03:22 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rc09215b / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.21-7.7.22.pl : Add missing use line for a module. - http://bit.ly/2u0nRq | 03:22 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re46ad0d / lib/WebGUI/Group.pm : Correct POD for addUsers in Group.pm - http://bit.ly/3ZNbAt | 03:22 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb3858ef / (12 files in 7 dirs): | 03:22 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Fix bug #10914. | 03:22 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Move email notifications about of PayDriver and into Transaction. Send | 03:22 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: a notification when the cart value is 0 due to shop credit. - http://bit.ly/YQxxp | 03:22 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: that test only fails in 7.8, so it won't hold up the 7.7.22 release tonight | 03:40 |
| @preaction | ok | 03:40 |
| +perlDreamer | feel free to commit any map point fixes, too ;) | 03:40 |
| +perlDreamer | and if you want to rewrite the Matrix to fix the rendering problems, that's okay | 03:41 |
| @preaction | consider it done | 03:41 |
| +perlDreamer | also, if you could take on the required field in the dataform issue, that would help a lot | 03:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm just going to fix every helpdesk bug. | 03:41 |
| +perlDreamer | and we'll leave the other 2-3 bugs for Haarg to fix | 03:42 |
| daviddelikat1 | perlDreamer: let me know what you do with helpdesk, cuz I have a bunch of code thats not ready for prime time but somehow I have to merge it with whatever you do... | 03:43 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat1, commit often ;) | 03:48 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: you'll be pleased to know that the calendar recurrence interface is simple enough for an 8 and 10 year old to use | 03:49 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.trainsinoregon.com | 03:49 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat1: I was spoofing about fixing the helpdesk bug | 03:49 |
| +perlDreamer | s | 03:49 |
| daviddelikat1 | perlDreamer: I can commit what I have, but unles you finish what I'm working on you won't be able to push the code live. | 03:50 |
| +perlDreamer | ah | 03:50 |
| daviddelikat1 | I'm hoping to get back to it for a day next week so if there are bugfixes that are highly desired let me know. | 03:51 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be very, very good to fix this one: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11124 | 03:51 |
| daviddelikat1 | I'll put it at the top of the list. | 03:52 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb14aeaf / lib/WebGUI/AssetTrash.pm : Fix i18n in AssetTrash.pm - http://bit.ly/FbPVV | 04:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | Are there any objections from preaction or Haarg to me starting the release? | 04:55 |
| @preaction | none whatsoever | 04:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have an objection | 05:06 |
| +perlDreamer | perlDreamer, this is a horrible time to do releases | 05:06 |
| @preaction | yes, you should do them earlier so you do not have to interrupt daddy time :p | 05:11 |
| +perlDreamer | yes and now. I should do them earlier so they don't run concurrently with backups | 05:12 |
| @preaction | ahh | 05:13 |
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| daviddelikat1 | is there a basic WG function to create a miscellaneous asset given any assetId? | 05:48 |
| +perlDreamer | newByDynamicClass | 05:48 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI::Asset->newByDynamicClass($session, $assetId); | 05:48 |
| +perlDreamer | also, newPending | 05:48 |
| +perlDreamer | newPending will croak if the asset does not exist | 05:48 |
| +perlDreamer | newByDynamicClass will return undef if the asset does not exist | 05:49 |
| daviddelikat1 | excellent, thanks | 05:49 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat1: just a reminder, we don't use varchar fields in the database since they can cause db corruption | 05:54 |
| +cap10morgan | do you have to call trash before purge when deleting things w/ the api? | 05:54 |
| daviddelikat1 | did I put one somewhere? | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan, no | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat1, we both did. In the AdSku, and I did for filepump and one other place | 05:55 |
| daviddelikat1 | ok, I'll put that on my list of no-no's | 05:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll add it to the wiki, too. | 05:56 |
| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan, what are you working on? | 06:00 |
| +cap10morgan | various things | 06:00 |
| +cap10morgan | importing a movable type blog to a CS | 06:00 |
| +cap10morgan | migrating our sites to ec2 | 06:00 |
| +cap10morgan | and 7.7 | 06:00 |
| +cap10morgan | and the cloudfront CDN | 06:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | evening, knowmad | 06:10 |
| knowmad | hey pd | 06:11 |
| +perlDreamer | kathy's telling me that we should consider ducks instead of chickens, because they smell better. | 06:11 |
| knowmad | i'm up late working through emails... | 06:11 |
| knowmad | really? | 06:11 |
| daviddelikat1 | perlDreamer: what is the best test operation for confirming undefined results | 06:11 |
| knowmad | i've never much liked ducks | 06:11 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat1: defined() ... ? | 06:11 |
| daviddelikat1 | shoulw I use is( defined $x ) | 06:12 |
| knowmad | that may be b/c I associate them with geese which make a mess | 06:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd rather eat a chicken than a duck, but we're still pretty far from either | 06:12 |
| daviddelikat1 | I've had trouble with the last one I tried | 06:12 |
| knowmad | :) let's hope it doesn't come to that | 06:12 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat1: ok( defined $x, 'something is defined'); | 06:12 |
| knowmad | plucking a chicken is not child's play | 06:12 |
| daviddelikat1 | its much easier to skin them | 06:13 |
| knowmad | i've heard good things about guinea fowl but don't know about the smell | 06:13 |
| knowmad | daviddelikat1: haven't tried skinning one | 06:13 |
| +perlDreamer | how are the eggs? | 06:13 |
| knowmad | small? | 06:13 |
| knowmad | what i've heard is that they don't make as much of a mess of the garden | 06:14 |
| knowmad | and are rather good watchguards | 06:14 |
| daviddelikat1 | skinning is easy, you just slice from neck to butt and pull the meat out | 06:14 |
| knowmad | which seems bizarre for such a small bird | 06:14 |
| knowmad | daviddelikat1: i'm sure there's a youtube video | 06:14 |
| daviddelikat1 | I on ce skinned 25 of them in about 4 hours ( including wacking off the head... | 06:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I tried to debone a chicken once, leaving the carcass whole | 06:14 |
| +perlDreamer | it supposed to make it really easy to stuff | 06:15 |
| knowmad | i would never have thought of that | 06:15 |
| knowmad | did you have any luck? | 06:15 |
| knowmad | hey, the reason i jumped on irc was to see if anyone has read patspam's recent blog about PlebGUI | 06:16 |
| knowmad | http://blog.patspam.com/2009/plebgui-webgui-meets-plack | 06:16 |
| knowmad | and... http://plebgui.patspam.com/ | 06:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Yeah! It still gives me the willies to think about it (because I remember the old days of debugging WebGUI in CGI and mod_perl), but this sounds really good. | 06:16 |
| knowmad | that's webgui running on hostgator! (if we're to believe him) | 06:16 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam does not lie! | 06:17 |
| knowmad | yeah, i'm impressed | 06:17 |
| knowmad | i wouldn't think so but damn, who'd of thought... | 06:17 |
| knowmad | i see he's online but he must be having a cup of tea or something (I believe it's about tea time down under) | 06:18 |
| +perlDreamer | probably, or packing, or doing more plebgui hacking | 06:19 |
| knowmad | yeah, that's right, he'll be state-side here soon | 06:20 |
| knowmad | where does he find the time to do all this stuff! | 06:20 |
| +perlDreamer | well, his girlfriend is now in New York, so I'm guessing he has tons of time | 06:20 |
| knowmad | ohhh, now i see; we need to keep them apart more often ;) | 06:22 |
| * perlDreamer is hoping there's time to get parity in the performance | 06:22 | |
| +perlDreamer | right now only one alternate server is faster than mod_perl | 06:22 |
| +perlDreamer | all the rest are half the speed | 06:22 |
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| knowmad | yeah but even 1/2 speed is better than sitting on the side of the road because your "car" doesn't work in that environment | 06:23 |
| +perlDreamer | this is true | 06:24 |
| @preaction | plus, WG8 already has major improvements to performance, and we're not done yet | 06:24 |
| knowmad | i'm more interested in seeing the Google AppEngine backend coming online | 06:24 |
| @preaction | hm... wonder how the memcached requirement will affect PSGI adoption | 06:24 |
| knowmad | hmm, that would put a crimp in the plans | 06:25 |
| knowmad | i'm not keen on forcing memcached to be required | 06:25 |
| +perlDreamer | the current caches are really problematic | 06:25 |
| knowmad | the apps i've dealt with that support memcached allow it as an option | 06:25 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a Cache bug on the boads now, and I've no idea how to address it | 06:25 |
| @preaction | the alternative is no caching | 06:25 |
| knowmad | that's better than caching with bugs | 06:26 |
| knowmad | and better than no webgui b/c you can't run memcached | 06:26 |
| knowmad | preaction: i wonder if there are web services that offer memcached servers... | 06:26 |
| @preaction | dunno how much power you'd get from a cache server on the Internet as opposed to just pulling new records from the local database | 06:27 |
| knowmad | yeah, so prob. better to just run cacheless | 06:28 |
| knowmad | man, that will put a beating on a cpu | 06:28 |
| +perlDreamer | isn't that a configuration option? | 06:28 |
| +perlDreamer | noCache? | 06:28 |
| knowmad | *but* only if it's an active site | 06:28 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: from all the things JT has said, that's going away | 06:29 |
| knowmad | perlDreamer: my understanding from JT was that there will be only memcached | 06:29 |
| @preaction | but then I really don't know, and i'd rather not be called stupid for interpreting his words at face value | 06:29 |
| knowmad | i think he should reconsider, esp given the PSGI break-through | 06:29 |
| knowmad | ok, let's take it to the boards and get the word from JT | 06:30 |
| knowmad | http://www.webgui.org/develop/forum/caching-in-wg8#p7TknDopSbY5BWvgwMOEHg | 06:34 |
| knowmad | thanks for the chat; i'm signing off | 06:34 |
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| +cap10morgan | in order to create a File asset from a file via the api, would you create a storage location first and then a new File asset, then call setStorageLocation on it? | 06:35 |
| @preaction | or create the file asset and then the storage location | 06:35 |
| @preaction | but i think File has a setFile method, no? | 06:35 |
| +cap10morgan | yeah, it does, but the description didn't make it clear that it did what i wanted | 06:36 |
| @preaction | yes, so create the File asset, then do setFile | 06:36 |
| +cap10morgan | ok | 06:36 |
| +cap10morgan | thanks | 06:36 |
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| @Haarg | this is going back a bit, but i prefer is($value, undef, ...) for tests | 06:37 |
| @Haarg | gives better diagnostics | 06:37 |
| +perlDreamer | since "is" is a stringy comparison, won't that do funny things sometimes? | 06:47 |
| +perlDreamer | or has "is" evolved? | 06:47 |
| @Haarg | it isn't a pure string compare | 06:47 |
| @Haarg | if you give it undef for the expected value it will only accept undef | 06:48 |
| +perlDreamer | hm, apparently the POD for that hasn't been updated | 06:49 |
| @Haarg | have you had a chance to look at the definition stuff at all? | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | no, I've been sick | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll take a look after I finish the release today | 06:55 |
| @Haarg | cool | 06:55 |
| @Haarg | i just started to get sick yesterday :/ | 06:55 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Graham Knop static_definition * r9178c4e / lib/WebGUI/Definition.pm : fix property_list usage - http://bit.ly/2UyaxS | 06:57 |
| * preaction crosses his fingers against sickness | 06:57 | |
| @Haarg | i'm hoping this won't be too bad | 06:58 |
| +cap10morgan | patspam: PlebGUI / PSGI / Plack looks *awesome* | 07:24 |
| @Haarg | agreed. hopefully we'll be able to fit some adjustments into webgui 8 to allow a psgi implementation to be done properly. | 07:25 |
| @preaction | especially with the 2x speedup | 07:28 |
| @preaction | the WRE could totally use that | 07:28 |
| @preaction | add nginx instead of mod_proxy, wonder how much that'll help | 07:29 |
| +cap10morgan | i'm also imaging a REST version of WebGUI where you POST JSON to an asset's URL to edit it, PUT to a new URL to create a new one, DELETE, etc. and then you can GET HTML, JSON, XML, RSS, PDF (via some additional software and an XSL-FO stylesheet), etc. representations of any asset via the same basic code but different psgi middleware layers. | 07:39 |
| +cap10morgan | would also allow ajaxing anything, anywhere | 07:40 |
| +cap10morgan | or moving the entire view layer to the client! (yikes) | 07:40 |
| @preaction | cap10morgan: i have a "MultiViews" concept that makes every www_ method in an asset have its own URL. in theory, that could be extended to achieve what you want | 07:47 |
| +cap10morgan | preaction: yeah, not quite REST though | 07:48 |
| @preaction | multiviews also takes the http method into account | 07:48 |
| +cap10morgan | oh, ok, so you can use that to choose between getters, setters, etc.? | 07:49 |
| @preaction | right, mostly i wanted it for DAV support, but you can use it to exchange between GET and POST for the same URL | 07:49 |
| +cap10morgan | cool | 07:50 |
| +cap10morgan | mostly the idea occurred to me because i noted in the PSGI spec how easy it was to grab the http method | 07:50 |
| +cap10morgan | which is not always the case | 07:50 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, this has been 3 weeks long | 07:51 |
| +perlDreamer | first flu-like, then cold, then flu again | 07:51 |
| +cap10morgan | php, for instance, makes it nigh on impossible outside GET & POST | 07:51 |
| @preaction | in webgui it's currently $session->request->method | 07:51 |
| +cap10morgan | will that work with PUT, DELETE, HEAD, etc. too? | 07:51 |
| @preaction | it should | 07:51 |
| +cap10morgan | cool | 07:51 |
| @preaction | well, depending if Apache allows those methods for you | 07:52 |
| +cap10morgan | sure | 07:52 |
| +cap10morgan | i started working on a big "Putting WebGUI to REST" blog post a few months ago | 07:52 |
| +cap10morgan | i should dust that off someday | 07:53 |
| +perlDreamer | the only thing better than blogging about WebGUI is writing tests for it. | 08:00 |
| +perlDreamer | well, then there's fixing bugs | 08:01 |
| +perlDreamer | and really, anything in wgdev is really about WebGIU | 08:01 |
| +perlDreamer | and the PebGUI stuff is pretty good too | 08:01 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, Haarg, with plainblack holding all the old versions of WebGUI, could we clear out 7.4 and 7.3 from SF? | 08:05 |
| +perlDreamer | it would make it so much easier to work with the file uploader | 08:05 |
| @preaction | imo they should use github to get it | 08:10 |
| @preaction | but i'd ask JT for the final opinion | 08:10 |
| +perlDreamer | github? | 08:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I think people are too used to downloading a binary | 08:11 |
| @preaction | http://github.com/plainblack/webgui/downloads <- there's this. i think they archive tags | 08:14 |
| @preaction | but since there's a pink unicorn there, i dunno | 08:14 |
| @preaction | yeah, you can download tarballs from there | 08:18 |
| +perlDreamer | sweet | 08:18 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, the definition.t posted doesn't handle MMD | 08:18 |
| @preaction | mine or grahams? | 08:19 |
| +perlDreamer | the 1st one in the thread | 08:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I think that's yours | 08:19 |
| @preaction | that's mine | 08:19 |
| @preaction | graham's is the extention of that | 08:19 |
| @preaction | it was just a preliminary mockup to show about how it'll work | 08:19 |
| +perlDreamer | mmm, yes WebGUI 8 is perl 5.10 only, since it uses mro? | 08:26 |
| @preaction | i don't know, but probably | 08:27 |
| @preaction | Class::C3 does the same thing | 08:27 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, in the pod for Definition.pm, I think your accessor is really a mutator | 08:36 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe my terminology is all messed up though | 08:37 |
| +perlDreamer | mutators do get and set | 08:37 |
| +perlDreamer | and an accessor is get only | 08:37 |
| +perlDreamer | ?? | 08:37 |
| @preaction | it's both | 08:38 |
| @preaction | accessor(get)/mutator(set) | 08:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to learn some computer science | 08:40 |
| +perlDreamer | because my EE training only gets me so far | 08:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I think we should use different terms, since attributes are already used for things that you attach to subroutines and methods in Perl | 08:42 |
| +perlDreamer | although I don't know what else to call them | 08:42 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r3330b98 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.7.23 development cycle. - http://bit.ly/18ebJf | 08:55 |
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| +BartJol | khenn: do you see possibility (not technical, but roadmap-wise) to extend International so that you can get language labels via the international macro? or maybe adding another macro that gets that properties from a Language.pm file | 16:19 |
| @khenn | I don't understand what you mean | 16:19 |
| +BartJol | well, I want to get access to labels of languages | 16:20 |
| +BartJol | but I can't do that via teh International macro | 16:20 |
| +BartJol | table names in those files are different and getLanguage only gets stuff for I18N tables, not LANGUAGE tables | 16:21 |
| +BartJol | of course I can hack that | 16:21 |
| +BartJol | but with the new international stuff coming, it might be better to have other ways to do that | 16:22 |
| @khenn | it would be more of a question for the dev list I guess. I don't have an answer | 16:23 |
| +BartJol | ok | 16:23 |
| @khenn | I still don't know what you mean byt the "labels of languages" | 16:23 |
| @khenn | do you mean the actual strings: "English" | 16:23 |
| +BartJol | yes | 16:23 |
| @khenn | "Dutch" | 16:23 |
| +BartJol | and nl or en | 16:24 |
| +BartJol | that stuff | 16:24 |
| @khenn | you might have to write a macro just to do that | 16:24 |
| @khenn | though | 16:24 |
| @khenn | there has to be a way to do it | 16:24 |
| @khenn | since it's in the profile | 16:24 |
| +BartJol | well, I only see it there | 16:24 |
| @khenn | you can choose your language on multi-language sites | 16:24 |
| +BartJol | yes, but that uses getLanguages and not getLanguage | 16:25 |
| +BartJol | I believe | 16:25 |
| @khenn | I don't work on any multi-launguage sites so I don't know how it works | 16:25 |
| @khenn | why doesn't getLauguages work for you then | 16:25 |
| @khenn | ? | 16:25 |
| +BartJol | ah, so prolly I know better | 16:25 |
| +BartJol | I wnna do it via the international macro | 16:25 |
| +BartJol | and not add more stuff | 16:26 |
| @khenn | sounds like you need to write your own macro | 16:26 |
| +BartJol | I actually already wrote a macro that can do that and is templatable, but it runs through all languages | 16:27 |
| +BartJol | off course I can change that | 16:27 |
| +BartJol | freedom! | 16:27 |
| @khenn | I guess I would ask on the dev list | 16:27 |
| +BartJol | ok, well, I'll discuss it with Joeri then | 16:27 |
| @khenn | and see if whoever is doing the international stuff is going to be adding the capability you are looking for | 16:27 |
| +BartJol | and make some custom code | 16:27 |
| +BartJol | I'm doing most international stuff right now | 16:28 |
| +BartJol | so that'll come to me anyway :) | 16:28 |
| +BartJol | thanks, I know enough for now | 16:28 |
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| @plainhao | morning, peeps, anyone here familiar with help desk? is there a way to configure a default autosubscribed user for every ticket? | 16:34 |
| @bopbop | plainhao, you might want to ask khenn | 16:35 |
| @khenn | yes there is | 16:35 |
| @khenn | take a look at the example code I pointed you to | 16:35 |
| @khenn | oh | 16:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | bopbop: A big Shop change happened yesterday. | 18:14 |
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| * perlDreamer is hoping that you aren't close to releasing the 7.7 version of the Shop guide | 18:15 | |
| @bopbop | perlDreamer- it was released | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | oh | 18:24 |
| @bopbop | today, actually | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 18:25 |
| @bopbop | yes | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | have you gotten my email yet? | 18:26 |
| @bopbop | yep | 18:27 |
| @bopbop | just responded to it | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I should have emailed you last night | 18:28 |
| @bopbop | oh well | 18:30 |
| @bopbop | there are always changes that occur after the books are released | 18:30 |
| @bopbop | if people can't figure out it out, they'll ask | 18:30 |
| +cap10morgan | can i force the storageId on a new storage location? | 18:40 |
| +cap10morgan | i want them to collide in the CDN | 18:40 |
| +cap10morgan | because it's the same file across every site | 18:40 |
| @Haarg | you can, but certain things make assumptions about the use of storage locations | 18:42 |
| @Haarg | assets assume a storage location is only tied to a single asset revision for example | 18:43 |
| +cap10morgan | i see, so new revision = newly generated storageId? | 18:43 |
| @Haarg | yes | 18:43 |
| +cap10morgan | hmm, ok | 18:43 |
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| +cap10morgan | methinks an rfe is imminent | 18:44 |
| @Haarg | there is an rfe to change that | 18:44 |
| +cap10morgan | oh? | 18:44 |
| @Haarg | but it's problematic enough to change that it hasn't been done yet | 18:44 |
| +cap10morgan | i see | 18:44 |
| +cap10morgan | well, that isn't necessarily the only way to do what i want | 18:45 |
| +cap10morgan | i just want to re-use files in the cdn across sites | 18:45 |
| @Haarg | that would probably be a separate rfe | 18:46 |
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| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r17cb0fa / (3 files in 2 dirs): Convert varchar fields to char in the db. Fixes bug #11126 - http://bit.ly/447ZQD | 19:10 |
| CIA-56 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r27c1fe9 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Convert varchar fields to char in the db. Fixes bug #11126 - http://bit.ly/1380LF | 19:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | yay! new board for the hot water heater! | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | boo! I can't install it. | 20:17 |
| carogray | bopbop + perldreamer: re the Shop Guide and others, wouldn't it be a good idea to have a section in the Support/Documentation section, "Addenda et Errata" just for these events? | 20:42 |
| carogray | uh - sorry old conversation - talking about additions and corrections to guides? | 20:42 |
| carogray | and section would be on PlainBlack - doing too much at once at this end. | 20:42 |
| * perlDreamer doesn't know what's involved in the production side, he just tries to minimise the # of changes | 20:43 | |
| carogray | and on another subject - is there a reason we can think of why IE 6 will not display CSS if user is not logged in? Utilities div, from standard WebGUI starter site page is in page layout template - not page style template? | 20:45 |
| carogray | test4.mlri.org/mwhelp | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | by "display CSS" you mean it doesn't render correctly? | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | what I see is in FF, Visitor :: Login :: Print! has a white background | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | in IE6, it has a blue background | 20:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: what are your thoughts on this for a Paginator iterator interface? http://gist.github.com/210266 | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | and apparently, nopaste is choking on a 175 line diff | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | but it submits through the web interface fine | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I see. They've changed the order of the forms, and renamed them as well | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | no, form fields are the same | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg and other nopaste users: This patch will fix the Gist service in nopaste http://gist.github.com/210308 | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | posted a bug in RT, and now we wait | 22:02 |
| @Haarg | that paginator iterator interface does seem mostly ok. | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | if we have any free time for wg8, or someone who is willing to put out some volunteer time, it would be nice to redo the paginator so that is has inheritance instead of all the special casing. | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, do you have any suggestions for making it better? I went pretty much for functionality, purely based on the DataForm/Entry. | 22:07 |
| @Haarg | i can't really think of a better way to do it. things i had thought of seemed horrible, but that doesn't really bother me much. | 22:07 |
| +perlDreamer | well, hopefully I haven't coded us into a corner :) | 22:08 |
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| @preaction | git add -i and git stash are my new bestest best friends | 22:54 |
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| dionak | I'm have a checkList I'm trying to set the selected options for...if I pass a \n delimited value from the db into the 'value' hash key when making a checkList, those items should be checked, correct? | 23:00 |
| dionak | answering my own question. i had to set defaultValue with the value from the db, not value | 23:08 |
| carogray | perlDreamer: you still there? | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | dionak, the form interface is a bad series of inconsistencies | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | carogray, yes | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | kids are fed and happy | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | even if they did have to try guacamole | 23:17 |
| carogray | then you must be in heaven! | 23:17 |
| carogray | even better | 23:17 |
| carogray | I am never so happy as when my kids are happy | 23:17 |
| carogray | except of course when their happiness is LEGAL | 23:17 |
| carogray | but won't go there, yours aren't old enough | 23:17 |
| +perlDreamer | one hopes so! | 23:18 |
| carogray | anyway... | 23:19 |
| carogray | back to my infernal ie6 problems | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 23:19 |
| carogray | in IE6 - using Multiple IE cause I do not have a machine that only has IE 6 on it. | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 23:20 |
| carogray | there is no CSS at all showing in test4.mlri.org/mwhelp | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | carogray, I have an idea. | 23:20 |
| carogray | if you look at the same page in FF or IE 7 or 8 you can see what it SHOULD ook like | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Let's start a thread on the design forum, and add screenshots for what we're each seeing | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | because for me, in IE6, it looks mostly okay | 23:21 |
| carogray | ok - will try.. | 23:21 |
| +perlDreamer | me, too | 23:21 |
| carogray | same as - pretty much in FF? | 23:21 |
| +perlDreamer | almost the same as in FF | 23:22 |
| carogray | OH I don't believe it! | 23:22 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: could you help me with uploading a file to sourceforget? | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah! | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | GUI, or command line? | 23:22 |
| carogray | could this just have been another of those caching things!! | 23:22 |
| @preaction | command line | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | carogray, yes | 23:22 |
| @preaction | rsync -e ssh wre-0.9.3-debian5.tar.gz preaction@frs.sourceforge.net:"/home/frs/project/p/pb/pbwebgui/WebGUI Runtime Environment/WRE 0.9.3" | 23:23 |
| @preaction | that's what i'm using, but it says "permission denied" | 23:23 |
| carogray | this is hugely great, but at the same time...incredibly frustrating... | 23:23 |
| carogray | I think I spent 1/2 working on trying to fix something that already works! | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | rsync -e ssh wre-0.9.3-debian5.tar.gz pbwebgui,preaction@frs.sourceforge.net:"/home/frs/project/p/pb/pbwebgui/WebGUI Runtime Environment/WRE 0.9.3" | 23:23 |
| carogray | ayah Lord! | 23:23 |
| @preaction | oh, its project,user, not user,project | 23:23 |
| @preaction | stupid documentation is wrong | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I may have it backwards, that's from memory | 23:24 |
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| carogray | thanks again perlDreamer | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | and your rsync line doesn't have project at all | 23:24 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: yeah, because w/o project it let me log in, but then said permission denied | 23:25 |
| @preaction | now, with project, it's not letting me log in | 23:25 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, I use sftp, with this: sftp username,pbwebgui@frs.sf.net | 23:26 |
| +perlDreamer | and I had to escape all the spaces | 23:26 |
| @preaction | scp and rsync are no longer my friends | 23:32 |
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| elnino | off topic... anyone know of a good pop3 email service I can use for my *own* domain? | 01:03 |
| @preaction | everyone.net is what we use | 01:04 |
| elnino | oh. haven't heard of that one... I"ll look. Thanks! | 01:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | I use them. they are pretty good | 01:05 |
| elnino | gmail works, but not everone wants to support the big giant. | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | If you can find SynQ, he may have some ideas, too. | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I think we're going to move kathy over to gmail | 01:05 |
| elnino | Oh.. I suppose I should clarify.. "free" pop3 service. | 01:06 |
| elnino | I like gmail. no Ads!!!! Yahoo is out of control (we have that too.) | 01:06 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Graham Knop static_definition * rd852c58 / (lib/WebGUI/Definition.pm t/Definition.t): inject methods into a superclass instead of the class itself - http://bit.ly/2RsfQ4 | 01:06 |
| @preaction | great. VMWare Fusion told me I should update, but did not tell me that my new version required me to purchase a new license... | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | what should I make the kids for a snack? | 01:07 |
| @preaction | fresh fruit! | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | good idea! | 01:08 |
| elnino | popcorn in the microwave. I learned I can do it with a brown lunch sack! | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I may even have some fresh caramel to drizzle over that. | 01:08 |
| elnino | instead of buying the ones at the store. | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino: really? | 01:08 |
| @preaction | caramel can't be done w/ braces though | 01:08 |
| elnino | yep really! | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | caramel sauce is legal | 01:08 |
| @preaction | ahh | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | what's the secret, elnino? | 01:08 |
| elnino | umm.. just a sec | 01:09 |
| @preaction | i still say that homemade kettle corn trumps everything | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, random life hacking link of the day: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/3304496/Be-lucky---its-an-easy-skill-to-learn.html | 01:09 |
| elnino | 1/4C popcorn, 2 t olive oil (or less) and salt. | 01:09 |
| elnino | STAPLE the bag closed - YES, this works and no sparks. | 01:10 |
| elnino | I think it took about a 1.5 minutes. | 01:10 |
| elnino | I just used one staple. | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | hmmm, /me may try some plastic paper clips instead | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | but, on to the snack, before the youngin's revolt | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | bbiab | 01:10 |
| elnino | oh.. it may get too hot, and I won't use metal paper clips, that would be too much metal. | 01:11 |
| @preaction | you know, instead of playing stupid video games, i could start exercising again! | 01:15 |
| @Haarg | that doesn't sound like a very good idea | 01:15 |
| @preaction | i think it sounds like an excellent idea. i'm starting to tub out again | 01:17 |
| @preaction | plus i have a goal of competing in some kind of bike marathon or something someday | 01:17 |
| @preaction | not sure how long that'll take though, so i should probably buy that exercise bike sooner rather than later | 01:17 |
| @Haarg | i just changed the how WebGUI::Definition works some | 01:18 |
| @Haarg | it now generates a superclass for every class that it is used in | 01:18 |
| @Haarg | and adds that to the beginning of @ISA | 01:18 |
| @preaction | yeah, i saw. i'm surprised that works, but it's damn awesome that it does | 01:19 |
| @Haarg | do you see any problems with it? | 01:19 |
| @preaction | nope. as long as it allows WebGUI::Asset::Post to override title(), which is also overridden in WebGUI::Asset | 01:20 |
| @Haarg | the only real caveat is that you have to be certain to define @ISA (use base, w/e) before calling use WebGUI::Definition | 01:20 |
| @preaction | (so make sure to test two levels of depth) | 01:20 |
| @Haarg | yeah, i'll add that as a test. it will work, although if WebGUI::Asset::Post included title in its own properties list it would not call WebGUI::Asset->title | 01:21 |
| @preaction | that sounds okay | 01:21 |
| @preaction | but run that by TMRFE | 01:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, I'd like to run a mini-ironman someday, but I'll need to learn how to swim first | 01:55 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: plus i've seen the people who can do it, and they're like wafer-thin | 02:18 |
| @preaction | and the training up to it is intense, like 50+ miles a week | 02:18 |
| @preaction | that being said, i'd love to be able to do one, in three years maybe | 02:18 |
| @preaction | i'll settle for my current goal of 30 miles of biking in two hours by next summer | 02:19 |
| @preaction | i also bought the new Wii Fit Plus (only $20, so not bad), but it only lets you have one custom set of activities, when i like to switch between two | 02:24 |
| @preaction | i suppose i could throw in another mii | 02:24 |
| perigrin | call it mii2 | 02:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | mini-ironman is like a 10K foot race, 50 miles on the bike, then a 1 mile swim | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | even thick people can do that | 02:35 |
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| @preaction | uh... heh, right now there's no way I could | 02:46 |
| @preaction | 20 miles on a bike and i'll die, serious | 02:46 |
| +perlDreamer | FBS? | 02:46 |
| @preaction | FBS? | 02:46 |
| +perlDreamer | Flat Butt Syndrome | 02:46 |
| @preaction | oh, no, just LES | 02:47 |
| @preaction | Lack of Exercise Syndrome | 02:47 |
| +perlDreamer | ah | 02:47 |
| +perlDreamer | that's bad, too | 02:47 |
| @preaction | right now 7 miles is a decent workout, 14 i'm wiped out | 02:47 |
| @preaction | but then i haven't been pushing myself that hard, and now it's winter so i need the exercise bike | 02:47 |
| +perlDreamer | either that or snow tires | 02:48 |
| @preaction | yeah... no | 02:48 |
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| @preaction | should I make chocolate chip cookies | 02:55 |
| @preaction | or should i make supper? | 02:55 |
| +perlDreamer | both? | 02:55 |
| @preaction | i have the ingredients for cookies, but no ingredients for any kind of supper | 02:55 |
| +perlDreamer | s/chocolate/beef/g; | 02:56 |
| @preaction | i think my problem is that my fingers move when i think | 02:56 |
| +perlDreamer | just hop on your exercycle and go get some | 02:56 |
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| @preaction | of course it's the cookies! | 02:56 |
| @preaction | it's cooooooold outside :( | 02:56 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, time for me to make dinner for my kids | 03:10 |
| +perlDreamer | we're having swedish meatballs, mashed potatoes and steamed veggies | 03:10 |
| +perlDreamer | bbl | 03:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | did you go with the cookies, preaction? | 04:38 |
| @preaction | ye0 | 04:40 |
| @preaction | first 14 are out of the oven, only 100+ to go | 04:40 |
| @preaction | i always do double batches ;) | 04:40 |
| @preaction | single batches are for nancy boys | 04:40 |
| +perlDreamer | or those of us who are rounder than triathletes ;) | 04:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm thinking of posting back to this blog: http://use.perl.org/~jk2addict/journal/39752 | 04:41 |
| @preaction | pfft, you have a family (comprised of a chocoholic and 2 boys), you have no excuse | 04:41 |
| @preaction | chocoholic == wife, of course | 04:41 |
| +perlDreamer | do you think I'll be laughed off the site? | 04:41 |
| +perlDreamer | wife is definitely a chocaholic | 04:41 |
| @preaction | i'd say go ahead and post to it | 04:42 |
| @preaction | crap, buzzer | 04:42 |
| +perlDreamer | pass me a hot one, will ya? | 04:44 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, it's out | 04:46 |
| +perlDreamer | dang, perl sucks | 04:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know how accurate we can say ohloh statistics are for speaking about the general population, but I checked 5 languages, and perl is the only one in decline. | 04:48 |
| @preaction | yeah, but it also says we're mostly written in JavaScript | 04:52 |
| @preaction | whereas Github has it right | 04:52 |
| +perlDreamer | by lines, now that we ship YUI, we probably _are_ mostly javascript | 04:53 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI/lib is 9.0M | 04:53 |
| +perlDreamer | www/extras is 97M | 04:53 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, we still ship with edit_area! | 04:54 |
| @preaction | heheheheh, yeah that needs to die now | 04:55 |
| +perlDreamer | tell me about git add -i, preaction | 04:57 |
| @preaction | it is interactive, you can pick whole files to add, or you can go through a file patch by patch and add only those patches you want | 05:02 |
| @preaction | i should do a blog post about it, the terms are kinda obtuse | 05:02 |
| +perlDreamer | totally | 05:03 |
| +perlDreamer | man git-add is not helping | 05:03 |
| +perlDreamer | well, I didn't blow up the DataForm | 05:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, if I push entries into a DataForm at more than 1 per second, is it going to puke? | 05:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to build a DataForm with a lot of entries to test pagination | 05:33 |
| +perlDreamer | it defaults to 25 per page | 05:33 |
| +perlDreamer | so to test pages 1 and 2 I need 50 entries... | 05:33 |
| @preaction | no, you should be fine | 05:34 |
| @preaction | but TIAS :p | 05:34 |
| +perlDreamer | TIAS? | 05:35 |
| @preaction | perlbot tias | 05:35 |
| perlbot | Try It And See: the best way to learn if something works. | 05:35 |
| +perlDreamer | works so far... | 05:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I've never typed so many shawshank quotes before | 05:53 |
| +perlDreamer | it doesn't blow up, but you get random test failures, since it returns data in order of submission date! | 06:01 |
| @preaction | anyone else think we should start going with millisecond precision? | 06:04 |
| +perlDreamer | YES | 06:04 |
| +perlDreamer | YES | 06:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I already asked JT and he said, "no" | 06:04 |
| @preaction | why not? it's just one byte more | 06:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't remember the his reasoning against it | 06:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, you are awesome | 06:11 |
| +perlDreamer | making the submissionDate a public field helps a lot | 06:11 |
| +perlDreamer | go go gadget test suite | 06:16 |
| +perlDreamer | and with the submission date hack, i shaved 2 seconds off the test time | 06:16 |
| @preaction | yahoo! | 06:17 |
| daviddelikat1 | if I take the title and description of an asset and use it to make an anchor tag like this: | 06:27 |
| daviddelikat1 | <a href='blah' title='$desc'>$name</a> | 06:28 |
| daviddelikat1 | do I need to process the two variables? | 06:28 |
| daviddelikat1 | like HTML::Quote them or something? | 06:28 |
| @preaction | $desc will need to be escaped, yes | 06:28 |
| daviddelikat1 | ok thanks | 06:29 |
| @preaction | the title is not allowed to have HTML inside, so it will already be escaped | 06:29 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: WikiPage ping | 06:29 |
| @preaction | but description is | 06:29 |
| @preaction | synopsis isn't though | 06:29 |
| @preaction | sup | 06:29 |
| +perlDreamer | how 'bout that disabling Subscribable? | 06:29 |
| @preaction | nothing new on why subscribable doesn't work, gonna end up tracing to figure it out | 06:30 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, there's 6 days 'til the next release | 06:30 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * reea6524 / (7 files in 7 dirs): | 06:49 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Add pagination to the DataForm list view. Fixes bug #10989. | 06:49 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Adds new code to Paginator, to handle paginating with an iterator. - http://bit.ly/3p9fuQ | 06:49 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rad741eb / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.19-7.7.20.pl : Fix merge problem. - http://bit.ly/3QZlBF | 06:49 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r77986a1 / (146 files in 17 dirs): Remove editarea from the core. - http://bit.ly/6HGAN | 06:49 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc327630 / (7 files in 7 dirs): | 06:49 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Add pagination to the DataForm list view. Fixes bug #10989. | 06:49 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Adds new code to Paginator, to handle paginating with an iterator. - http://bit.ly/2Fvr7U | 06:49 |
| +perlDreamer | tomorrow is going to be TinyMCE day | 06:51 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1ee3bda / (146 files in 17 dirs): Remove editarea from the core. - http://bit.ly/aNhgW | 06:51 |
| daviddelikat1 | man I just pulled code down 10 minutes ago, wy'd you have to go and CHANGE it all again? :) | 06:56 |
| daviddelikat1 | goodbye editarea | 06:57 |
| @preaction | we hardly knew ya | 06:58 |
| @preaction | good riddance to bad javascript | 06:58 |
| daviddelikat1 | I knew ya too well | 06:58 |
| daviddelikat1 | yuck | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | goodbye editarea, hello DataForm pagination | 07:01 |
| daviddelikat1 | so is there a flag you can set that lets people know when you are getting ready to dump whole bunches or code into git | 07:02 |
| daviddelikat1 | so we can wait and merge our local repos AFTER you dump your stuff? | 07:02 |
| @preaction | no, you just have to merge | 07:02 |
| daviddelikat1 | well at least I get lots of practice... | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat1, git stash is your friend | 07:07 |
| daviddelikat1 | I haven't used it yet | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | it will let you take a snapshot of changes to your repo, set them aside temporarily and then reapply them after you do a pull/merge | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | here's the short summary | 07:08 |
| elnino | the new code edit area is gone? | 07:08 |
| +perlDreamer | git stash list -> list of currently saved stashes | 07:08 |
| @preaction | elnino: no, that's the old one that sucked | 07:08 |
| +perlDreamer | git stash save 'description of what this stash is about' | 07:08 |
| @preaction | the new one is in yui-webgui/build/code-editor | 07:08 |
| +perlDreamer | git stash apply stash@{\d} -> apply a stash | 07:08 |
| +perlDreamer | git stash drop <- get rid of it after you apply | 07:08 |
| elnino | the "pld" one I remember is just a text area. and the 7.6x is this thing I'm not terribly fond of, so you're saying there is a new one after this? | 07:09 |
| elnino | s/pld/old | 07:09 |
| @preaction | the 7.6 one is gone, 7.7 has a new one | 07:10 |
| daviddelikat1 | perlDreamer: I can see what I might use it for, but I haven't really needed anything like that yet. | 07:10 |
| elnino | YEAH! | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, are you and dav glass still swapping code for that, or have you forked? | 07:11 |
| daviddelikat1 | I'm done for the day... | 07:11 |
| @preaction | i've forked, but i should put in a pull request to him one of these days | 07:11 |
| @preaction | i'd like to fix the issues with the IEs and Opera before I do though | 07:11 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe he could help with that? | 07:12 |
| @preaction | true, but i'd hate to ask | 07:12 |
| @preaction | i could just open issues against my fork and do a pull | 07:12 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not like you're some doofus perl programmer who is pretending to write javascript, after all | 07:17 |
| +perlDreamer | that's my job :) | 07:17 |
| elnino | 'nite all | 07:30 |
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| +BartJol | morning dudes | 10:26 |
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| +BartJol | oh, Haarg I changed by repo for the contenthandler to match the webgui dir scructure | 14:32 |
| +BartJol | s/by/my/ | 14:32 |
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| +cap10morgan | ok, it seems the http / https caching bug is not completely squashed yet | 17:58 |
| +cap10morgan | i still get secure / insecure cdn urls that show up on insecure / secure pages, respectively | 17:58 |
| +cap10morgan | if i flush the cache, it gets fixed | 17:58 |
| +cap10morgan | on 7.7.22 | 17:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning folks | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | the rumor is that I'm going to get some hot water today | 19:56 |
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| @bopbop | perlDreamer: at your house (so you can have a hot shower) or as "in hot water" (the trouble kind)? | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | well, both actually | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | there is no hot water | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | and if it's not available soon... | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, can you think of any reason why WebGUI::DateTime can't be a little pickier in the regex that separates MySQL dates into pieces? | 20:22 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: why? what's wrong that it needs to be pickier/ | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | well, you can feed it a date like 200910161 for a mysql date | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | or 2009 year 10 month 161 day | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | and either one of those will make DateTime to have an exception-al fit | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | and then it will give you a very unfriendly error message, like Could not call method www_editFieldSave in Thingy because DateTime hasn't had a shower in 3 days. | 20:44 |
| @preaction | okay sounds good | 20:45 |
| @preaction | but you still might want to allow / - or . between the numbers | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/211132 | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what I'm thinking | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | if it can't parse, use epoch 0 | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | force \D to exist between numbers | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | and anchor it on either end | 20:46 |
| @preaction | looks good to me, but if it can't parse it should die spectacularly | 20:46 |
| @preaction | ymd should always exist, hms might now | 20:46 |
| @preaction | er.. might not | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | right now, it does die spectacularly by locking up the thingy | 20:47 |
| @preaction | if you want, trap it in an eval in the thingy | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I think that it will do the same thing in the DataForm and the User Profile | 20:49 |
| * perlDreamer would prefer to handle it inside DateTime | 20:49 | |
| @preaction | but that's detrimental to the programmer | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | how come? | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | it easily handles the error and returns something that will work in all cases | 20:50 |
| @preaction | because i could give it some bogus data and it will magically change to epoch 0 | 20:50 |
| @preaction | i could go on, thinking it's working, when in fact it's not | 20:50 |
| @preaction | what if Form::DateTime did it instead? | 20:51 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 20:51 |
| +perlDreamer | and Form::Date | 20:51 |
| ckotil | nice, video of the State of WebGUI 2009 address. | 21:10 |
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| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7866120 / (8 files in 6 dirs): | 22:54 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Handle bad dates in datetime related form plugins. Fixes bug #11128 | 22:54 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Also, better date parsing by _splitMysql and reformat Thingy. - http://bit.ly/23MjTo | 22:54 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r555f65b / (8 files in 6 dirs): | 22:54 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Handle bad dates in datetime related form plugins. Fixes bug #11128 | 22:54 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Also, better date parsing by _splitMysql and reformat Thingy. - http://bit.ly/TlSY2 | 22:54 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, now on to other bugs | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | btw, I have hot water! | 23:00 |
| @preaction | i'm thinking i should do Map bugs today | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | well, yes | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I already fixed the one by Rogier, about buttons in the edit screen | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | you can have the rest | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | but they have to be checked in IE6, IE7, IE8, FF 3.0, FF 3.5, Safari and Opera | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | IE8 and FF 3.5 because very little of what we're writing today is working in those browsers | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | whether it's rendering issues or JS | 23:57 |
| @preaction | man, i just fixed rogier's bug :( | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I haven't committed. Go ahead and I'll revert | 23:58 |
| @preaction | no need, it's all yours | 23:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I have to run and go shopping for dinner tonight, call me on my cell if you need me. | 23:58 |
| @preaction | all i did was add defaultValue to the template | 23:58 |
| @preaction | okay | 23:58 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, but yours is done and you're doing Map stuff | 23:59 |
| @preaction | okay, i'll commit then | 23:59 |
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| CIA-31 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * rbbbb2e9 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Map.pm : Missing edit/manage buttons in Map #11129 - http://bit.ly/xA8hG | 00:01 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r0490889 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Map.pm : Missing edit/manage buttons in Map #11129 - http://bit.ly/256eNx | 00:01 |
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| daviddelikat | I think this is the best error I've ever generated: Can't use string (")08da0cax0(YARRA") as an ARRAY ref while "strict refs" in use | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | ++daviddelikat1 | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | you reversed a string somewhere | 02:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | howdy, patspam | 02:08 |
| +patspam | hola!~ | 02:11 |
| +patspam | how goes it? | 02:11 |
| daviddelikat | I was trying to reverse an array, it doesn't work so well to reverse an array ref | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | it's going okay | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | looks like Survey might be having problems running on FF 3.5 | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | because I can't duplicate Kristi's bugs on FF 3 | 02:19 |
| +patspam | dang | 02:19 |
| +patspam | I'm running 3 too | 02:19 |
| +patspam | all the more reason to rewrite survey's UI | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | rewrite? | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | yikes | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | that would work well for 7.8, but 7.7 people are stuck (and need) bug fixes | 02:22 |
| +patspam | I was thinking maybe even for 8 | 02:22 |
| +patspam | actually definitely 8 | 02:23 |
| +patspam | because it will need the new forms api | 02:23 |
| +patspam | I want to replace all the question types with WebGUI::Form controls | 02:23 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be more Gooey-like | 02:24 |
| +patspam | and any bugs we find and fix will benefit more than just Survey | 02:25 |
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| CIA-31 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rdae7215 / (5 files in 5 dirs): fixed #10888: Problems with Map adding points - http://bit.ly/4wXPNb | 04:51 |
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| elnino | is it intentional to be able to edit something that is in the trash? | 16:05 |
| +BartJol | dunno, but it can be usefull to delete stuff, edit it and put back | 16:06 |
| +BartJol | but that wiki thing was strane | 16:06 |
| elnino | yes, I can see that, but it can also completely confuse someone who thinks they are editing something that they shouldn't and then don't know why they can't see it on the site. | 16:07 |
| +BartJol | mmm, maybe a nice notification | 16:07 |
| elnino | yes. that wiki this was strange.. There must be some internal setting for the auto gen'd urls. | 16:07 |
| elnino | yes, like the "you are editing a default template" message | 16:07 |
| elnino | I'll be writing up an rfe.. =) | 16:07 |
| +BartJol | maybe they are not regenerated after a url change | 16:07 |
| elnino | not a clue | 16:08 |
| elnino | I would think its a on the fly type thing, but obviously now. | 16:08 |
| elnino | s/now/not | 16:08 |
| +BartJol | well if it checks for regexes while typing, typing will be tedious | 16:11 |
| elnino | oh,I was just thinking during the edit view. but I"m just making things up, I have no idea how this works. =) | 16:11 |
| +BartJol | well, to me it sounds strange that it would be on the ty | 16:12 |
| +BartJol | pe | 16:12 |
| elnino | is there a way to export version tags? | 16:13 |
| * elnino goes makes breakfast. | 16:17 | |
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| +BartJol | oh eeeh exporting version tags | 16:21 |
| +BartJol | why would you? | 16:22 |
| +BartJol | I think it will be hard | 16:22 |
| +BartJol | versions apply to assetId's | 16:36 |
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| elnino | BartJol - so that I can export changes I want to keep an reapply to a restoration of a db. | 17:42 |
| elnino | s/an/and | 17:42 |
| elnino | but maybe there is a cool way to do that with mysql | 17:43 |
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| +BartJol | aah | 17:47 |
| +BartJol | ok | 17:47 |
| elnino | but I have no idea how I would do it in mysql. For now, I'm just goign to set up a second site. and visually compare. | 17:48 |
| +BartJol | you mainly need the assetVersions table | 17:48 |
| +BartJol | but prolly more than that | 17:48 |
| elnino | yeh, I don't know all that I would need either. | 17:49 |
| +BartJol | aah, the versions themself are stored in assetData | 17:51 |
| +BartJol | well, it might get a bit complicated | 17:51 |
| +BartJol | not the sql | 17:52 |
| +BartJol | but to be absolutely sure you've got everything' | 17:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | good morning! | 18:26 |
| @Haarg | morning | 18:27 |
| elnino | umm. When I import a package, isn't it supposed to add itself to the location i'm currently at? does tha tmake sense? or do I have to click on the package name? | 18:29 |
| @Haarg | depends on if you've imported the package in the past | 18:31 |
| elnino | no I haven't. Oh this is weird. | 18:32 |
| elnino | I can see it by the url the package is supposed to have, but it isn't listed in the asset manager. | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, try using Asset manager search to find out where it went | 18:33 |
| elnino | well, I go to it by url, then I go to asset manager. and the breadcrumb trail menu in the asset manager shows it where I believe it to be, and where I imported it. | 18:34 |
| elnino | but when I go to it's parent. It's not listed in the asset manager. | 18:34 |
| elnino | I just commited my version tag. | 18:34 |
| elnino | still not there. | 18:34 |
| elnino | So.. | 18:34 |
| elnino | So confused. I've done this before with other packages... | 18:35 |
| elnino | From the beggining. | 18:35 |
| elnino | my customer said she went to edit this page. | 18:35 |
| elnino | when she clicked on save | 18:35 |
| elnino | she was brought to the trash. | 18:35 |
| elnino | then she deleted sutff from the trash. | 18:35 |
| elnino | (who knows what) | 18:36 |
| elnino | and now the page is missing. | 18:36 |
| elnino | I couldn't find it. | 18:36 |
| elnino | so I created another site, grabed yesterday's db backup | 18:36 |
| elnino | created a package | 18:36 |
| elnino | of that missing page. | 18:36 |
| elnino | imported it into her site where the page should be. | 18:36 |
| elnino | and I can't see it in the asset manager, but I can view it by going to the url. | 18:36 |
| elnino | uh. I think I need some hot chocolate. | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, it's possible that it _is_ in the trash | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | trash is an asset state, not location | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | although, if you go to it by URL it should take you to the trash | 18:38 |
| elnino | didn't think about looking in the trash after importing it. | 18:38 |
| elnino | yeah, well, that's a bug report I've been meaning to write. =) | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | i may not be a bug | 18:39 |
| elnino | I just didn't have time to try it and make sure it's a bug. | 18:39 |
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| +BartJol | when is 7.8.2 coming | 18:41 |
| +BartJol | ? | 18:41 |
| elnino | it's not in the trash. | 18:41 |
| elnino | but if I click on the package name from the admin bar, it creates another with a 2. | 18:41 |
| +BartJol | oh yeah, I forgot to mention that, I altered my git repo | 18:41 |
| +BartJol | so the merge should be easy now | 18:42 |
| elnino | that original one is here SOMEWHERE. | 18:42 |
| +BartJol | clipboard? | 18:42 |
| elnino | nope, no clipboard. | 18:42 |
| +BartJol | I spend an hour once to finally find it only on there | 18:43 |
| +BartJol | during last wuc actually | 18:43 |
| elnino | =) - never to be forgotten. | 18:43 |
| +BartJol | was it published | 18:43 |
| +BartJol | ? | 18:43 |
| elnino | ok. lets forget abou this for a momement. why wouldn't the package of the page, grab it's children. isn't it supposed to? | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | not if the state/status is wonky | 18:43 |
| elnino | that may be a hint as to what is going on.. | 18:43 |
| +BartJol | winky? | 18:44 |
| elnino | winky. I like it. | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd head to the db and query the asset and assetData tables for info about that asset. | 18:44 |
| +BartJol | yeah, seems most fasterst | 18:44 |
| elnino | I supposedly grabed a good copy of it from a db backup.. but I'll look. | 18:44 |
| elnino | would it keep the same assetID as previously? | 18:45 |
| +BartJol | it should | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | it _should_, but at this point I'm not making any more assumptions | 18:45 |
| +BartJol | winky assetId's :) | 18:46 |
| elnino | and I made sure that I had nothing to look at on the next page of the asset manger... I can see where that would really mess people up. I liked seing everyting on one page... but that's another rfe.. =) | 18:46 |
| elnino | it has the same assetID.. | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | it needs to paginate, elnino. The load on the server is too heavy otherwise | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we need top and bottom pagination controls? | 18:47 |
| elnino | I know.. that because youre using the YUI thingy. | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | no, even without YUI | 18:47 |
| elnino | what you had in 7.4 way back when was fast. | 18:48 |
| elnino | oh. well, different topic. I like the yui, but it seems slower to me.. =) | 18:48 |
| elnino | ok. from the dbbak copy, it's published. | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | state and status? | 18:48 |
| elnino | state=published | 18:48 |
| * perlDreamer is guessing status =~ /\w+-limbo/; | 18:49 | |
| elnino | status = approved | 18:49 |
| +BartJol | mmm | 18:49 |
| elnino | two records. | 18:49 |
| elnino | now I"ll look at the live site I imported it into. | 18:49 |
| +BartJol | Compared $data | 18:49 |
| +BartJol | # got : 'Could not instanciate template with id [PICKLANGUAGE_TEMPLATE_]' | 18:49 |
| elnino | state = clipboard | 18:50 |
| elnino | status = approved in four records | 18:51 |
| +BartJol | doing something wrong with my mocking | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | you checked both clipboards? personal and system? | 18:51 |
| elnino | looking back at the admin console. | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, do we ship modified versions of tinymce, or vanilla? | 18:52 |
| elnino | looky there. there is a system clipboard. I happen to see it via the admin console | 18:52 |
| @Haarg | vanilla | 18:52 |
| elnino | it wasn't in my personal one. | 18:52 |
| elnino | so....what the heck is a system clipboard? | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | everyone's clipboard | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | clipboard regardless of user who clipped it | 18:53 |
| elnino | but you can't see the contents of that clipboard in the adminbar..... | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | no, you only see yours | 18:53 |
| elnino | and there is the children. YEAH! | 18:53 |
| elnino | so how does anyone know it's there? | 18:53 |
| +BartJol | intuition | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | experience | 18:54 |
| +BartJol | good guess | 18:54 |
| elnino | ok. well. There's some rfes brewing as well as my hot chocolate.. brb | 18:54 |
| +BartJol | mmm, "when you have years of working with the code, you might wanna check our front-end" good commerce | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Eat butter, first and last, and 100 years your life will last. | 18:55 |
| +BartJol | sorry, I am in a bit of sarcastic mood | 18:57 |
| +BartJol | after trying to make a site w3c compliant | 18:57 |
| +perlDreamer | whoa | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | new tinymce seems to work | 18:59 |
| +BartJol | Haarg: if I test my macro that generates links to the contenthandler, can that be added too? otherwise the handler is quite useless | 18:59 |
| +BartJol | for end users | 18:59 |
| elnino | OH.. So, doyou think the original page was in the system clipboard all this time? and that's why the package didn't imprt? haarg kinda hinted at that posibility. | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | it did import | 19:01 |
| elnino | AND the package didn't import with children? because when I click on the package it stil doesn't give me the children. | 19:01 |
| @Haarg | i would think that would be fine BartJol | 19:01 |
| elnino | it did? | 19:01 |
| +BartJol | is there a planned version? | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, didn't you say it's in the clipboard? | 19:01 |
| +BartJol | because I can try to hurry my tests this weekend | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | RFE day is next week, BartJol | 19:02 |
| elnino | yes, after I imported it. | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | then it did import and deploy | 19:02 |
| elnino | sorry, I misworded.... | 19:02 |
| +BartJol | oh, though it was bug day | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | it makes an *exact* copy of assets from one site to another | 19:02 |
| +BartJol | thought | 19:02 |
| elnino | it imported, but it didn't deploy into the asset manager. | 19:02 |
| elnino | ...where I thought it should be.. | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | there's the problem | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | people expect that it will show up when you import it | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | and it does | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | if it's not in the trash or the clipboard | 19:03 |
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| elnino | so maybe the origina was in the clipboard. | 19:03 |
| elnino | ? | 19:03 |
| +BartJol | MrHairgrease: !! | 19:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | I would think so | 19:03 |
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| elnino | and then I still don't know where the "imported' one went. | 19:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | Bart: it is almost time | 19:04 |
| +BartJol | aah, tuesday | 19:04 |
| +BartJol | I know | 19:04 |
| +BartJol | I feel it | 19:04 |
| elnino | where do "imported but not deployed packages" go? | 19:04 |
| @Haarg | into the asset you are currently at in the asset manager | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | it was imported and deployed, it's in the clipboard | 19:05 |
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| +MrHairgrease | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d875681b | 19:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | Is it safe to do that in a macro? | 19:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | I think so | 19:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | and everything works | 19:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | but just want to double check | 19:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh crap gotta go | 19:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | have a nice weeekend! | 19:09 |
| elnino | so confused. Haarg says it should go into the asset I'm currently in at the aset manager. - which I would agree if it correctly deployed. but it didn't deploy, so it goes into the clipboard instead like perlDreamer says? | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | clipboard is a state, not location | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | we're both right | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | it's exactly where you imported it into the site | 19:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | but it's state does not allow it to show up in the Asset Manager, or the site | 19:10 |
| elnino | so.. then the questions remains: whydidn't it deploy correctly? the backup db. showed it was published and approved. something else to look at? | 19:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | do you have the original package file? | 19:12 |
| elnino | or maybe the live site had the page in the systemclipboard already. | 19:12 |
| elnino | yes | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, wgpkg files are really tgz files | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | so you tar tar -zxf it | 19:12 |
| @Haarg | seems like we shouldn't allow things in the clipboard to be exported as packages and should reset that state on import. | 19:12 |
| * perlDreamer agrees completely, but predicts rizen will disagree | 19:13 | |
| +perlDreamer | to quote, "packages make exact copies of assets from site to site" | 19:13 |
| @Haarg | yes, but you shouldn't be able to create a package with an asset in the clipboard in it | 19:14 |
| @Haarg | resetting the state on import is just dealing with a case that should never happen anyway | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | you're preaching to the choir, dude | 19:14 |
| @Haarg | i don't think that is opposed to what he said though | 19:15 |
| elnino | right, but remember, when I clicked in the package from the admin bar, it did NOT give me the children. So it seems to me, I have two entities here. | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | the children are in the state clipboard-limbo | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | which is even stranger then clipbard | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | how about pasting it from the clipboard someplace out of the way | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | and seeing if all the children show up | 19:17 |
| elnino | prelDreamer, I see three json files. So maybe it had children? | 19:17 |
| elnino | yes, when I restored it from the clipboard, I got what I wanted. so the site is currently fixed. | 19:18 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, the JSON files are labeled by asset lineage | 19:18 |
| +perlDreamer | so find the shortest filename | 19:18 |
| +perlDreamer | and edit with some text editor | 19:18 |
| +perlDreamer | inside the file, find the asset's state and status | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | and see whether it was originally in the clipbard | 19:19 |
| elnino | state = published. | 19:20 |
| elnino | Im going to look at yesterdays backup. (backed up the site with her messed up page) | 19:21 |
| * perlDreamer needs to reboot. bbiab | 19:23 | |
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| elnino | I took wednesday's backup. | 19:23 |
| elnino | OK! SO. | 19:24 |
| elnino | I made a package of a good page. (published and approved) | 19:25 |
| elnino | but the hosed up site already had the page in it (she did NOT delete it as we thought) It was in the system clipboard. | 19:25 |
| elnino | SO the question then is... how does a user put something in the system clipboard? | 19:25 |
| elnino | I didn't even know it existed. | 19:25 |
| @Haarg | the system clipboard is just a combination of all of the user's clipboards | 19:26 |
| elnino | so it was in her clipboard all this time? | 19:26 |
| elnino | grr. | 19:26 |
| @Haarg | normally you only see your own clipboard. the system clipboard shows you other user's items as well. | 19:26 |
| @Haarg | what version of webgui is this? | 19:27 |
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| elnino | 7.6.35 | 19:27 |
| @Haarg | well, it publishes items that are in the trash when you import a package with the same assets in it, but it doesn't restore things from the clipboard | 19:30 |
| @Haarg | not sure what the best behavior would be there | 19:30 |
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| elnino | perlDreamer you missed it. I created the package from wednesday's bakup, so I wnt to thurs bakup to see what she did. the original page was in her clipboard ALL this time!!! | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | then why does the package say "published"? | 19:40 |
| elnino | because I took it from th ebackup before she put it in her clipboard. | 19:41 |
| elnino | I apparently have to train her about clipboards. | 19:41 |
| elnino | I didn't see it because it was her clipboard, not in mine. | 19:41 |
| @Haarg | it was in the clipboard in the site she was importing it into if i'm understanding properly | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | in the wgpkg file, you said that the asset status was published | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | oh | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | well that makes sense | 19:42 |
| elnino | yes, | 19:43 |
| elnino | s/,/. | 19:43 |
| elnino | so. remaining questions: now that I know it was in her clipboard. I imported the package but it didn't deploy (because it was already in the clipboard) so where do packages go when they already exist whether in the trash or clipboard, or assetmanager? | 19:45 |
| +perlDreamer | it did deploy | 19:45 |
| +perlDreamer | it didn't show up because the existing asset was in the clipboard | 19:45 |
| elnino | ok. it was a failed deploy? | 19:46 |
| @Haarg | when you imported the package, it updated the existing assets in the system, but they were still in the clipboard | 19:46 |
| elnino | OH!! it overwrote the existing one. | 19:47 |
| elnino | I get it. Sorry for being dense. You probably explained that several times over now. | 19:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | tinymce is of exceedingly low code quality | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | we're not upgrading to the latest rev of TinyMCE. Popups are broken in FF 3.0 | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | hm, tinymce is broken when served from WebGUI, on their site it works fine | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I wonder if YUI is interfering with it | 19:57 |
| @Haarg | are you sure it's not because of how we are configuring it? | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | tinymce._addVer is not a function doesn't feel like a configuration issue | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | "tinymce._addVer is not a function" | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | the JS templates don't render, ever and all pop_ups are broken | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | loading tinymce_popup may help... | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it works fine in Opera without doing that | 20:08 |
| +perlDreamer | now it's working | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | which means it's working just as poorly/well as before | 20:11 |
| @Haarg | any chance it was caching problems? | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | It is possible, but I was clearing the cache by hand after each attempt | 20:20 |
| @Haarg | fun | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I also tried with and without FireBug enabled | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | so it's possible that affected it as well | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | if only they'd gotten Perl into Navigator all those years ago, we wouldn't be having these problems | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | we'd be having different ones | 20:23 |
| @Haarg | you'd rather deal with microsoft PScript? | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | never heard of it | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | Google says PScript is short for PostScript | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | but that's not web related either :) | 20:24 |
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| @Haarg | it doesn't exist | 20:24 |
| @Haarg | as in javascript->jscript | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | oy | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | the thing is, perl existed before the browser, so I don't think it would be accepted as so malleable | 20:26 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 20:26 |
| @Haarg | plus, the perl language being so tied to the perl interpreter makes it pretty much impossible | 20:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | Hey, dionak. How's the product hacking? | 20:29 |
| dionak | hey perlDreamer, it's coming along fine. I've got it mostly done. finishing up testing | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | sweet | 20:40 |
| dionak | it's more fragile than i'd like due to using Things for markets & application management but I think that will be ok | 20:40 |
| dionak | my next task is to create a content handler to alias Thing results to human friendly urls | 20:40 |
| dionak | so we can have pages for specific markets, using the populated data | 20:40 |
| dionak | simultaneously, I'm working out how to implement SEO recommendations in webgui. i'll have more info on that later | 20:42 |
| dionak | thanks for asking | 20:42 |
| dionak | how can i access a page layout's keywords in the template? | 20:50 |
| dionak | or can I? | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | in the template | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | it's in the "keywords" template variable | 20:53 |
| +perlDreamer | which returns a comma separated list of all keywords, with appropriate escaping and quoting | 20:53 |
| dionak | hm. i didn't see that in Layout.pm. Maybe it's in asset.pm? | 20:53 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 20:53 |
| dionak | ok, thanks | 20:53 |
| +perlDreamer | processTemplate | 20:53 |
| +perlDreamer | and it's documented in the Help for Assets, too | 20:53 |
| dionak | ah, i see. thanks, pd | 20:53 |
| dionak | ok, i was looking at Page Layout help | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | it should be in there, too | 20:54 |
| dionak | it's not in the Page Layout template help | 20:55 |
| dionak | at least in my version ;) | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | which version? | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | not in 7.6.35 | 20:56 |
| dionak | i'm a little earlier than that for knowmad.com. 7.6.25. | 20:57 |
| dionak | i see it in 7.7.22 | 20:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm always afraid I haven't backported something | 21:04 |
| @Haarg | is there a reason navigation's hidden and system page checks couldn't be done as a where clause in getLineage? | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | as sites get bigger, it seems to be faster to do things as objects, rather than as clauses in the db. | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | so I would guess speed | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | but I don't know | 21:06 |
| @Haarg | i have a hard time imagining that | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I did, too | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | until we tracked down the large site speed issue to Package and Prototypes in the Admin Bar | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | that was in May/June? | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | http://mywebgui.localdomain/home/welcome?op=viewHelp;hid=layout%20template;namespace=Asset_Layout | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | 914620f5a4f36eebdae396f687d1453873adbc8d | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Just ask that big guy sitting across the table. | 21:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, the new version of TinyMCE "works" in FF 3.0, IE6, IE7 and Opera | 21:54 |
| +perlDreamer | It fixes the Klaus "s" bug | 21:54 |
| +perlDreamer | we will now hear objections and debate concering using it in 7.8 and 7.7 | 21:54 |
| +perlDreamer | note, I don't have a safari browser to test | 21:54 |
| +perlDreamer | 2nd note, new version of Nopaste with functional Gist service is now on CPAN | 21:55 |
| @Haarg | i'd say go for it in 7.8 | 22:02 |
| @Haarg | and we'll see how it goes | 22:03 |
| @Haarg | can't you install safari in your windows vm? | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I can, but I'd have to build a new VM | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Vista says I only have 33 Mb free | 22:04 |
| @Haarg | ah | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | plus, then there's the operating system effect | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I am confident Windows will pollute any browser put onto it | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I should take the time to build that VM | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | it certainly wouldn't hurt | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | and I can multitask while it's happening | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | but first, I have to make lunch for the kiddos | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, you're welcome to join us, we're just having leftovers | 22:11 |
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| elnino | thoughts about putting "do not use the back button" everywhere in admin mode? grrr. customer loves back button. | 23:33 |
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| knowmad1 | TGIF! | 23:36 |
| +perlDreamer | ++knowmad1 | 23:36 |
| knowmad1 | pd - you're just who i was looking for ;) | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | what can I do for you, knowmad1? | 23:39 |
| knowmad1 | i have a site running on a different ip than spectre due to ssl cert | 23:40 |
| knowmad1 | i'm getting errors in spectre.pl --test | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | what are the errors? | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, who wants to see the Clipboard, anyway? | 23:41 |
| elnino | huh? | 23:41 |
| elnino | talking about my bug report? | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | this is actually a feature | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | now we'll never have any more clipboard related bug reports | 23:42 |
| elnino | well, in the case of my customer, she was unknowingly editing an item in the clipboard (because she used the back button) and when she clicked save, she was brought to the trash, and was confused because she didn't see her page there. | 23:42 |
| elnino | if she was broughtt ot the clipboard, I would hope that she would have noticed it there, and saved me many hours of torment. | 23:43 |
| dionak | ugh, sounds painful | 23:43 |
| elnino | she Im creating reports to show her of her wrong doing, and ease my mind that I'm not assuming anything. Thank God for AssetData! and AssetHistory! | 23:44 |
| elnino | s/she/so | 23:44 |
| elnino | dionak, it was, but I learned a lot. | 23:45 |
| elnino | =) | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: under which conditions would we release the new TinyMCE to 7.7? | 23:45 |
| knowmad1 | which suggest to change spectreSubnets | 23:45 |
| knowmad1 | i've changed that to the ip of the site as set in modproxy but no joy | 23:45 |
| knowmad1 | ERROR: Spectre cannot communicate with WebGUI. Perhaps you need to adjust the spectreSubnets setting in this config file: helpdesk.knowmad.com.conf. | 23:45 |
| knowmad1 | that's what i was thinking ... | 23:45 |
| knowmad1 | devs, does spectre init communication with wg or vice-versa? | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | knowmad1: shouldn't it be the modperl instance, instead of modproxy? | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | knowmad1: it can go either way | 23:46 |
| knowmad1 | good point | 23:46 |
| @Haarg | it depends on if you have it connecting to modperl or modproxy | 23:47 |
| knowmad1 | but i've changed spectreIp and spectreSubnets to the ip that spectre is running on | 23:47 |
| @Haarg | the default is to connect to modproxy | 23:47 |
| knowmad1 | that's prob. where it's going wrong for us since the proxy is starting up on a 2nd virtual IP | 23:47 |
| @Haarg | you need spectreSubnets to match whatever ip spectre will be connecting from | 23:47 |
| knowmad1 | got it | 23:48 |
| knowmad1 | all my other 12+ sites connect fine with spectre when testing | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | git question: How do I do something like this: git add --recursive . | 23:48 |
| knowmad1 | it's only this one which runs on a diff IP | 23:48 |
| @Haarg | git add . | 23:48 |
| @Haarg | if it's all on the same machine, it probably will be connecting on the same interface the site is using | 23:48 |
| @Haarg | but spectreSubnets can have multiple values | 23:49 |
| @Haarg | so i would recommend adding all of the server's ips to it | 23:49 |
| knowmad1 | here's some more info from webgui.log -- 2009/10/16 16:48:53 - WARN - helpdesk.knowmad.com.conf - WebGUI::Session::ErrorHandler::security[384] - Visitor (1) connecting from 192.168.233.26 attempted to Tried to make a Spectre workflow runner request from 192.168.233.26, but we're only allowed to accept requests from 192.168.233.20/32,127.0.0.1/32 | 23:50 |
| @Haarg | i'm assuming 192.168.233.26 is the ip unique to this site? | 23:51 |
| knowmad1 | yes | 23:51 |
| knowmad1 | i've got it | 23:51 |
| knowmad1 | i added that ip to the spectreSubnets | 23:51 |
| knowmad1 | and restarted modperl | 23:52 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings. | 23:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Howdy, SquOnk | 23:58 |
| SquOnk | WebGUI 7.7.22 made it into Debian Sid this afternoon. | 23:58 |
| +perlDreamer | excelsior! | 23:58 |
| knowmad1 | huzzah! | 23:58 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, do you have a blog? | 23:58 |
| SquOnk | This version only works in Squeezy or Sid. It will not work in Lenny. | 23:59 |
| SquOnk | Squeezy is scheduled for spring 2010 though | 23:59 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: On what free time? <g> | 23:59 |
| * perlDreamer was thinking it would be nice to add a blog about WebGUI/Debian to Planet WebGUI | 23:59 | |
| --- Day changed Sat Oct 17 2009 | ||
| SquOnk | I've kept webgui 7.6.35.2 only for those who want to run on Lenny. | 00:00 |
| SquOnk | I'll fix the WiKi page regarding installation on Debian. | 00:00 |
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| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2250ab0 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/Asset.t): Fix a typo in Asset->checkView, which redirected assets in the clipboard to the trash instead. Fixes bug #11139. - http://bit.ly/O2bSp | 00:33 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re88495a / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/Asset.t): Fix a typo in Asset->checkView, which redirected assets in the clipboard to the trash instead. Fixes bug #11139. - http://bit.ly/jz92f | 00:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm an idiot. | 02:03 |
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| elnino | somewhere long ago, I found a site someone put together of sample reports. anyone know about it? | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | sqlreport.com? | 02:05 |
| elnino | sorry, I meant, sample WebGUI reports. | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | whatsa WebGUI report? | 02:06 |
| elnino | webgui's sql reports. | 02:07 |
| elnino | =) | 02:07 |
| elnino | nothing on google, someone must have taken it down. Could have sworn there was such a site back in ~ 2001 | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | there was | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | Joeri De Bruin made it | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | http://blip.tv/file/1287361 | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the presentation. He probably mentions the URL for the site in there. | 02:11 |
| elnino | ah. Thanks! | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I know what you mean by the Cancel button bug, too. | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I've been bitten by it a few times | 02:17 |
| elnino | oh good. I didn't know if I explained it well enough. | 02:18 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9d52245 / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_WikiMaster.pm : Fix WikiMaster i18n for attachment help. - http://bit.ly/42PB8S | 02:19 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r8c4fd6e / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_WikiMaster.pm : Fix WikiMaster i18n for attachment help. - http://bit.ly/321o9w | 02:20 |
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| elnino | umm. I went to edit a pagelayout's meta->extra head tags, and there is no textarea...it just says "none" where did it go? | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | which version? | 02:49 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.7.22 looks okay | 02:51 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.8.2 looks okay | 02:51 |
| +perlDreamer | need more context, elnino? | 02:51 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r846b957 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix upgrade error that was hit on 7.7.21 to 7.7.22. Fixes bug #11146 - http://bit.ly/2J32BP | 02:56 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r9696578 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix upgrade error that was hit on 7.7.21 to 7.7.22. Fixes bug #11146 - http://bit.ly/2W6duz | 02:56 |
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| elnino | perlDreamer, sorry.. it's a style template. | 02:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | style templates aren't supposed to have extra head tags. they're redundant | 02:59 |
| elnino | you beat me to it.. | 02:59 |
| elnino | k. thnks | 02:59 |
| +perlDreamer | in wG 8, they're going to fix that | 03:00 |
| +perlDreamer | and the head tags won't be shown at all | 03:00 |
| +perlDreamer | style templates will be a special subclass of Templates | 03:00 |
| elnino | hmm. well, the reason why I asked (now that I remember) is that I made a copy of fail safe style (and didn't modify it) and my copy doesn't get the <style> like the systems's failsafe style does... brb | 03:03 |
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| * perlDreamer is about to enable bash git completion | 03:07 | |
| elnino | so I was going to coy the style I saw in the htmlsource from wg's default"failsafe" to my copy - thinking it would be in the "extra head" area, but I don't see where the style is comingn from. | 03:09 |
| * elnino tries demo | 03:09 | |
| elnino | umm. demo doesn't have the style sheet with it... | 03:12 |
| * perlDreamer isn't sure that failsafe has a stylesheet | 03:14 | |
| elnino | I meant embeeded style. when you look at the html source it has <style>stuff</style> | 03:15 |
| elnino | I created a bug report. =) | 03:15 |
| elnino | I wonder if it was added in the code. | 03:15 |
| +perlDreamer | The only style tags I see in a Fail Safe page come from the stuff that the navigation adds when it is asset proxied in. | 03:20 |
| +perlDreamer | time for me to cook dinner | 03:21 |
| +perlDreamer | tab completion for git is so nice.... | 03:21 |
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| elnino | The failsafe menu uses flexmenu which uses the verticalMenu template, and I don't see anything in there.. Something is adding a style that modifies the menu, contentarea and topwrapper. - in the default failsafe style. | 04:23 |
| elnino | ok. I looked in assetData. The style is show in extraHeadTags. but it doesn't appear when editing the template, nor is it copied over when I make a copy of the template. | 04:30 |
| * elnino done having fun. bye! | 04:52 | |
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| CIA-31 | webgui: Patrick Donelan master * rf4f30cc / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm : Survey_tempReport table post-report clean-up - http://bit.ly/1yszA | 05:46 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Patrick Donelan master * r3da08fc / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm : | 05:46 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Moved Survey's "Max Resposes" option beck to Properties tab | 05:46 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Content Managers shouldn't need Security tab acccess to set this property - http://bit.ly/OzYTz | 05:46 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Patrick Donelan webgui-7.7 * r98d2a24 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm : Survey_tempReport table post-report clean-up - http://bit.ly/1EPQ9x | 05:46 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Patrick Donelan webgui-7.7 * r207d983 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm : | 05:46 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Moved Survey's "Max Resposes" option beck to Properties tab | 05:46 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Content Managers shouldn't need Security tab acccess to set this property - http://bit.ly/1J6JHo | 05:46 |
| +patspam | woot, db-encrypted crud fields are now as easy as setting 'crypt' => 1 in the def'n | 07:52 |
| +patspam | a la colin's 'serialized' => 1 for json serialisation | 07:53 |
| +perlDreamer | :) | 07:53 |
| +patspam | and you can even encrypt serialised field | 07:54 |
| +perlDreamer | that takes some hackery, especially in the Asset->new department, iirc | 07:54 |
| +patspam | I just copied your serialize stuff, and made sure i got the order right | 07:55 |
| +perlDreamer | so, are you personally interested in crypto, or is this project based? | 07:59 |
| +perlDreamer | or can you tell me, without killing me? | 08:00 |
| +patspam | i need it because to encrypt medical data | 08:00 |
| +patspam | but after reading a book on it i got interested too :) | 08:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I have a friend that is trying to get me to read Cryptonomicon, but I haven't made the time to do it yet. | 08:02 |
| +patspam | the one I read is: http://www.amazon.com/Cryptography-Database-Last-Line-Defense/dp/0321320735 | 08:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | this is the only crypto thing I've ever read: http://www.itl.nist.gov/fipspubs/fip180-1.htm | 08:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | bash completion for git FTW! | 08:38 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r6368923 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Restore styling to the fail safe template by inlining it. Fixes bug #11147 - http://bit.ly/22HVgG | 08:45 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb8b7dc2 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Restore styling to the fail safe template by inlining it. Fixes bug #11147 - http://bit.ly/2o91M8 | 08:45 |
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| SynQ | ohm | 13:09 |
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| CIA-31 | webgui: JT Smith innodb * r48a844f / docs/upgrades/convert-db-to-innodb.sql : added up to friendInvitation - http://bit.ly/1ScRN5 | 19:01 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: JT Smith innodb * rf0531eb / docs/upgrades/convert-db-to-innodb.sql : Merge branch 'innodb' of github.com:plainblack/webgui into innodb - http://bit.ly/2V25Lm | 19:01 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: JT Smith innodb * r99e16b8 / docs/upgrades/convert-db-to-innodb.sql : updated to inbox_messageState - http://bit.ly/2gHH8q | 19:01 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: JT Smith innodb * r57aa761 / docs/upgrades/convert-db-to-innodb.sql : added up to transactionItem - http://bit.ly/1o8ZGK | 19:01 |
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| Gso | Hello is there a way someone could access in to website via "tell a friend" and so some e-mail relaying | 21:43 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, that's why there is the option to put a captcha into the "tell a friend" form | 21:44 |
| Gso | thank you I have been hacked . and changed sendmail to postfix and they hacked it to but noticed I was useing tell a friend | 21:46 |
| +perlDreamer | you haven't been hacked, you have an insecure form on your site | 21:46 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a world of difference there | 21:46 |
| Gso | Thanks because I tried every thing in the sendmail relay and postfix settings and it was still going on | 21:47 |
| Gso | can they do it in contact forms too. | 21:48 |
| +perlDreamer | it depends on how the form is built | 21:53 |
| Gso | Thank You perlDreamer, I'll add captcha or remove it | 21:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | ecopunk, do you have any WebGUI questions, or are you just hanging out? | 04:41 |
| ecopunk | sorry. this was a test logon for work, and i forogt i had it still running. | 04:41 |
| ecopunk | i'm kinda new to this irc thing... | 04:41 |
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| carogray | hi yall | 18:12 |
| carogray | some how someway I must have deleted a critical article to which I had about 100 (no exaggeration) shortcuts. | 18:13 |
| carogray | I do not know what happened. I know it is gone forever and completely because I created it again and I can use the original URL | 18:13 |
| carogray | The odd thing is that all of the shortcuts have disappeared as well! | 18:14 |
| carogray | Usually you get this horrible ugly box resembling an entire page with big red writing warning you to remove the shortcut because the asset to which it cuts is missing | 18:15 |
| carogray | no thing no shortcuts | 18:15 |
| carogray | anyhow I want now to create about 100 shortcuts to this article and then put them where they belong on all these pages... | 18:16 |
| @preaction | shortcuts clean up after themselves now, no more ugly box | 18:16 |
| @preaction | but if you restore the article from the trash, the shortcuts will return | 18:16 |
| carogray | Is there a way to quickly make 20, 30 xty shortcuts or do Ijust | 18:16 |
| carogray | aha it's gone forever - not in trash, not in system trash, gone | 18:16 |
| carogray | also all shortcuts have vanished! | 18:17 |
| carogray | if it were in trash I wouldn't be able to use the same URL for it either, would i? | 18:17 |
| carogray | wouldn't it be samep-url2 or same url3? | 18:17 |
| @preaction | correct | 18:17 |
| carogray | it's odd that all shortcuts have disappeared to it to, but I cannot figure out what happened so I am going to try and forge ahead and redo original and all shortcuts | 18:18 |
| carogray | is there a quick way to make many shortcuts? | 18:18 |
| carogray | too | 18:19 |
| carogray | oh I missed your answer about shortcuts | 18:19 |
| carogray | no more ugly box | 18:19 |
| carogray | thanks | 18:19 |
| carogray | perhaps an rfe - click on curly arrow to make shortcuts and get to type in the number of shortcuts you want? | 18:20 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 18:32 |
| SquOnk | Need a hand here... | 18:32 |
| SquOnk | http://demo.webgui.org/demo1255966198_400/ | 18:32 |
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| SquOnk | Look at the b0rken Syndicated Content at the end. | 18:32 |
| SquOnk | It's using this feed | 18:32 |
| SquOnk | http://www.vtv.gob.ve/rss-noticias-nacionales | 18:33 |
| SquOnk | The XML is in UTF-8, Apache sends the right headers... | 18:33 |
| SquOnk | ...but somehow WebGUI is treating it bad | 18:33 |
| SquOnk | This happens both in 7.6 or 7.7 | 18:34 |
| @Haarg | did you post a bug for it? | 18:34 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: Not yet. | 18:34 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: I figured it could be something simpler than a bug, since several RSS feeds work ok | 18:35 |
| @Haarg | can you do that? i'll take a look at it a bit later; i don't have time right now. | 18:35 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: Ok. And I still have another weird thing happening with another feed. The feed has several headlines, yet only the first one is shown. | 18:36 |
| SquOnk | http://www.oncp.gob.ve/oncp.xml | 18:36 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: I filed a couple of bugs | 18:48 |
| @Haarg | thanks | 18:48 |
| +BartJol | preaction: that debian wre, is that the one you got from webgui.nl? | 18:56 |
| @preaction | no, that's one i built myself | 18:56 |
| +BartJol | ah, on webgui.nl there is one precompiled | 18:57 |
| +BartJol | wanna have the exact url? | 18:57 |
| @preaction | yeah, there was a disconnect on who was going to upload one | 18:57 |
| @preaction | no need anymore really | 18:57 |
| +BartJol | ok | 18:57 |
| +BartJol | well, I just know 1 source | 18:57 |
| @preaction | but somehow koen or someone should get access to the WRE sourceforge or github or some place to upload these things | 18:57 |
| +BartJol | that would be sweet | 18:58 |
| @preaction | there has to be a decent way for community to add builds instead of just whatever forum post | 18:58 |
| +BartJol | and I have a nice pick up line for you: May I have your port number, then I'll open up my firewall? | 18:58 |
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| @preaction | heh | 18:59 |
| +BartJol | preaction: not thinking it'll work? | 19:00 |
| @preaction | not just like that, but it has promise | 19:00 |
| +BartJol | mm, you know strange people, thinking it might work | 19:00 |
| dionak | i'm trying to add a workflow to a data form. how do i get my workflow to show up in the list on the data form? | 19:01 |
| +BartJol | I think it needs a namespace? | 19:02 |
| +BartJol | or category | 19:02 |
| @preaction | category WebGUI::AssetCollateral::DataForm::Entry | 19:02 |
| dionak | yes, i see that in DataForm.pm but how do I assign my workflow/activity to that namespace? | 19:02 |
| +BartJol | ooh in the conf | 19:02 |
| dionak | is it something i have to do in the admin? | 19:02 |
| @preaction | in the configuration file | 19:03 |
| +BartJol | just remembered | 19:03 |
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| @preaction | "workflowActivities" : { "None" : [ ... ], "WebGUI::AssetCollateral::DataForm::Entry" : [ "MyActivity" ] } | 19:03 |
| dionak | i see... | 19:03 |
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| dionak | nice. thanks! | 19:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, folks | 19:59 |
| dionak | morning perlDreamer | 20:18 |
| dionak | or afternoon ;) | 20:18 |
| +perlDreamer | or, in patspam's case, night :) | 20:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | hello, wgGuest24. | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | The channel tends to be fairly quiet until questions are asked. | 21:27 |
| SynQ | quiet? | 21:33 |
| SynQ | nice and | 21:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, Haarg, I could use a consult on this bug: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11156 | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | XML::FeedPP makes feeds unique by checking their links | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | if the same link in an item exists in other links, when the list of items in unique-ified, then those other items are removed | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | this is done automatically when $feed->merge is called | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | the feed in the bug has every link the same | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | so only the first one is delivered | 23:03 |
| @Haarg | do we have to use merge? | 23:06 |
| @Haarg | actually, it seems like it should just be a bug report for XML::FeedPP | 23:06 |
| @Haarg | the author has been pretty responsive in the past so it would probably be fixed relatively quickly | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I found a workaround for now | 23:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | merge calls merge_channel, merge_item and normalize | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | so I dropped the feed merge, and called channel_merge and channel_normalize | 23:08 |
| wgGuest26 | I want to migrate some sites between servers, what is the correct process to do it? | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | honestly, I think the source feed is wonky | 23:09 |
| @Haarg | the source feed is a bit odd, but it's not incorrect | 23:09 |
| @Haarg | afaik | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, it's just odd | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | not wrong | 23:09 |
| @Haarg | it seems like we want to eliminate duplicates though | 23:10 |
| @Haarg | which seems like it won't do with the workaround | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | what if we used our own unique criteria? | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | something like link and pubDate? | 23:11 |
| @Haarg | well, we can do that. but it seems like it's something that should go directly into XML::FeedPP | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I agree, but in the past we've done workarounds while waiting for authors to release new versions | 23:13 |
| +perlDreamer | so we can avoid bumping up requirements on stable versions | 23:13 |
| @Haarg | sure | 23:13 |
| +perlDreamer | what I'd really like is a hash of the item content | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | to check for uniqueness | 23:14 |
| wgGuest26 | I want to migrate some sites between servers, what is the correct process to do it? | 23:16 |
| SynQ | some? | 23:16 |
| SynQ | 10 or 100? | 23:17 |
| wgGuest26 | about 20 | 23:18 |
| SynQ | what I would do is this: | 23:18 |
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| SynQ | 1. create sql dumps for all databases and tar.gz files for the uploads directories | 23:19 |
| SynQ | 2. bundle all that with the webgui configfiles | 23:19 |
| SynQ | 3. on the new server create new places to put the site into | 23:19 |
| SynQ | sites | 23:20 |
| wgGuest26 | in the new server i could have to install a fresh webgui or can i pass all the files from the old server | 23:23 |
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| SynQ | that depends | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: http://gist.github.com/213696 | 23:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I was a little worried about iterating over all the elements at the end to uniq, but that's what normalize does internally anyway | 23:36 |
| @Haarg | it doesn't seem like that would handle the feed from the bug report | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | it does | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | it's what I used for a test case | 23:39 |
| @Haarg | seems like something else must be wrong then | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | uhm, it doesn't | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | too much browser caching | 23:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I modifed the key for the seen hash to be link, pubDate, title and description. | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | which essentially serializes the item | 01:04 |
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| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r0864807 / (4 files in 3 dirs): Make display of failed transactions more obvious in the Account/Shop plugin. - http://bit.ly/2Ax5JX | 01:28 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0ee4a7f / (4 files in 3 dirs): Make display of failed transactions more obvious in the Account/Shop plugin. - http://bit.ly/1FnacV | 01:28 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r27ff058 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Changelog notice for Shop/Transaction work - http://bit.ly/2ldGve | 01:28 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7ff4c17 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Changelog notice for Shop/Transaction work - http://bit.ly/2VLNgk | 01:28 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * racc79db / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 01:28 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Do manual uniqification of items in Syndicated Content. Fixes bug #11156 | 01:28 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Do not use merge because it uses normalize, which uses uniq_item, which | 01:29 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: uses only links to determine uniqueness. - http://bit.ly/2jkVoY | 01:29 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r68be37b / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 01:29 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Do manual uniqification of items in Syndicated Content. Fixes bug #11156 | 01:29 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Do not use merge because it uses normalize, which uses uniq_item, which | 01:29 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: uses only links to determine uniqueness. - http://bit.ly/2qcKZ | 01:29 |
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| @Haarg | i wish i had references for past rss feeds i used to test/fix syndicated content problems | 02:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, we could build them in as tests | 02:27 |
| @Haarg | yeah, i'm working on that | 02:27 |
| @Haarg | but it would be easier if i had specific cases i could make sure i was testing | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll add a test for the oncp feed with no links | 02:28 |
| @Haarg | i've tracked down the encoding problem that SquOnk posted about, but i can't easily fix it without having other things to test against | 02:29 |
| +perlDreamer | can we pull feeds from old bug reports against the SC? | 02:29 |
| +perlDreamer | bbiab | 02:30 |
| @Haarg | the commits don't have bug references | 02:33 |
| +perlDreamer | no, but bugs have title which are put into the changelog. It should be difficult, but still trackable | 02:35 |
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| @Haarg | i don't think there were bug posts for those issues at all though. | 02:43 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb027a8a / (2 files in 2 dirs): Document odd rss feed with a test. - http://bit.ly/Q7nuy | 02:44 |
| @Haarg | i would have put in the bug # if there were and i don't see any corresponding bug reports | 02:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | there's bug 9816 | 02:47 |
| @Haarg | that's not really relevant to what i'm dealing with though | 02:48 |
| +perlDreamer | there are some bugs fixed in 7.6.11 with no bug # | 02:48 |
| @Haarg | 7.6.8 as well | 02:49 |
| +perlDreamer | one of those two we fixed together | 02:49 |
| +perlDreamer | because I remember doing a monkey patch | 02:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | 0f519ad5 is the commit for the monkey patch | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I always figure that fixes that like that (without bug numbers) came from support board postings | 02:52 |
| @Haarg | kind of | 02:54 |
| @Haarg | some of them are support stuff that doesn't have support board posts | 02:55 |
| @Haarg | so for encoding stuff, i'm trying to make as many test cases as i can think of. | 03:03 |
| @Haarg | so far, i have utf8 encoded vs entity encoded, latin1 compatible vs not, utf8 bom vs not, utf8 http content type vs xml prolog, latin1 encoded, some other character set encoded | 03:06 |
| @Haarg | and combinations of all of those | 03:06 |
| +perlDreamer | 6Px is a bug number of tests | 03:08 |
| @Haarg | big? | 03:09 |
| @Haarg | well, not all of the combinations need to be tested | 03:09 |
| @Haarg | but a bunch do | 03:09 |
| CIA-31 | wrebuild: Doug Bell master * rd7095c2 / wre/docs/install.txt : added Debian install notes - http://bit.ly/3BULcx | 03:19 |
| @Haarg | another thing to be tested: double entity encoded international characters | 03:26 |
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| @Haarg | hey SquOnk. i've mostly tracked down the rss character corruption issue you mentioned earlier. | 03:28 |
| @Haarg | it's a bit tricky to fix though. working on test cases right now. | 03:29 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: I see. What's the problem? | 03:29 |
| @Haarg | it's decoding the feed properly, but then mis-detecting the utf8 content and downgrading it to latin1 | 03:31 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: Do you have utf8_flag => 1 in the XML::FeedPP->new() | 03:32 |
| @Haarg | yes. it's the utf8::downgrade that is causing the problem | 03:32 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: Don't do it then ;-) | 03:32 |
| @Haarg | it is needed for some feeds due to the interaction between the return from HTTP::Response->decoded_content and XML::FeedPP's utf8 handling | 03:33 |
| SquOnk | Oh | 03:34 |
| @Haarg | it works for pure ascii feeds because they can be decoded with no problem. it also works for text that isn't valid latin1, because it doesn't get downgraded. | 03:34 |
| @Haarg | but for text that can be valid latin1 it downgrades when it shouldn't | 03:35 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: I hope the fix is easy to backport into 7.6.35.2 since my customers cannot upgrade to 7.7 yet | 03:35 |
| @Haarg | it probably will be able to be backported, but i don't have a fix yet | 03:35 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: All right | 03:36 |
| +perlDreamer | so everytime that somebody calls addChild on a non-autocommited child (Story, Post, Event, GalleryFile), we need to do an autoCommitWorkingIfEnabled check | 03:46 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, backporting to 7.6.35.2 may take a while, I'm pretty booked up right now | 03:48 |
| +perlDreamer | or, .3, rather | 03:48 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I understand. | 03:50 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rda9f836 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/HTMLArea.pm): Autocommit version tags when using the RTE form control for folder/files. Fixes bug #11138 - http://bit.ly/2cblrC | 03:56 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r7ba92cf / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/HTMLArea.pm): Autocommit version tags when using the RTE form control for folder/files. Fixes bug #11138 - http://bit.ly/1KRLur | 03:56 |
| +perlDreamer | dinner time | 04:14 |
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| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r038cb63 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Add another operation to robots.txt. Refixes bug #2569. - http://bit.ly/2jwagD | 06:21 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc8542cc / (2 files in 2 dirs): Add another operation to robots.txt. Fixes bug #2569. - http://bit.ly/3zgvB3 | 06:21 |
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| CIA-31 | webgui: Patrick Donelan master * re4b1875 / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 08:51 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Fixes bug in ExpireIncompleteSurveyResponses | 08:51 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Use a left outer join on userProfileData so that the workflow processes | 08:51 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: responses for users that have been deleted - http://bit.ly/2ScNsV | 08:51 |
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| CIA-31 | WebGUI: translation * r12377 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/Asset_Layout.pm: Updating Dutch on translation server | 14:54 |
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| SquOnk | Morning VET! | 16:33 |
| SquOnk | Just so you know | 16:33 |
| SquOnk | http://www.mppef.gob.ve/ | 16:33 |
| SquOnk | WebGUI power! | 16:33 |
| +BartJol | cool, I can't read it, but still | 16:40 |
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| SquOnk | BartJol: Heh | 16:41 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: MPPEF = Ministry for Economy and Finance | 16:41 |
| +BartJol | ah, I should have read better, I understand the text in the header | 16:42 |
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| carogray | not sure if this is a WG bug or something particular to our website - what do you call the calendar thing that you use when you enter a date when you want to add an event? | 16:53 |
| carogray | the names of the days at the top of that little calendar are not lined up with the right dates underneath. i.e. according to the little calendar, Nov 25 falls on a Thursday this year. In the big calendar the one that displays, the days and dates are correct | 16:54 |
| carogray | oh PB people aren't up yet - anyone have any idea how I can explain this more explicitily to them - in computer programmer ese? | 16:54 |
| dionak | it sounds like a template bug which means if you report it as such, the template working group will pick that up. They aren't necessarily programmers. | 16:56 |
| dionak | so the communication will be easier | 16:56 |
| dionak | it is just css isn't it? | 16:56 |
| dionak | or better yet, submit a patch | 16:57 |
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| +BartJol | programmers aren't hard to deal with, only specific ;) | 17:03 |
| SquOnk | Cursing is the only language that all programmers understand <g> | 17:04 |
| carogray | so it does sound like a bug - yes? | 17:05 |
| SquOnk | carogray: Yes | 17:06 |
| carogray | BartJol: I know programmers aren't hard to deal with, I am just not very good at explaining things and I find it annoying spending 3 days going back and forth whilst we figure out what we each mean by one particular word or... well you know. | 17:06 |
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| daviddelikat2 | carogray: can you give me a link so I can see wht this looks like? | 17:07 |
| carogray | daviddelikat2: http://www.mlri.org/mlri_staff | 17:08 |
| carogray | it's at the bottom of the page, but you have to login - it's private | 17:08 |
| carogray | PMed you with the user name and pw | 17:08 |
| +BartJol | carogray: I don't understand what you mean with annoying :P | 17:08 |
| carogray | you just like to chat;-) | 17:09 |
| +BartJol | but I see the same problem with all default templates | 17:10 |
| +BartJol | it seems that the counting is wrong | 17:11 |
| +BartJol | it is not css | 17:11 |
| +BartJol | like the 14th of october is the fourth cell in the table row where it should be the third | 17:12 |
| daviddelikat2 | carogray: I'm sure there is some kind of bug in there, it could be site specific... | 17:12 |
| carogray | Ok - login request | 17:12 |
| +BartJol | well I see a couple of options | 17:12 |
| daviddelikat2 | I've got an image of it if you want something to pass aounr | 17:12 |
| daviddelikat2 | I'll see if I can make it happen on my dev area | 17:12 |
| +BartJol | 1 the template has an error | 17:13 |
| +BartJol | 2 something with date calculation is going wrong | 17:13 |
| +BartJol | 3 something else | 17:13 |
| daviddelikat2 | I think its a math error, ther eis an option to set the first day of the week to Monday and I think it is misshandling it. | 17:14 |
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| carogray | do realize that it is that the days are not lined up correctly. when I add an event it shows up under the right day on the right date in the calendar itself | 17:15 |
| carogray | the problem is only in the tool for adding an event - not the calendar itself - | 17:15 |
| daviddelikat2 | yes, but somewhere it tells the little popup calendar what day to start the week with, and that may be doint it wrong. | 17:16 |
| daviddelikat2 | the popuyp calendar is ( I think ) a YUI widget. | 17:16 |
| +BartJol | maybe <tmpl_var formRecurStart> | 17:18 |
| +BartJol | when I look at the template | 17:18 |
| +BartJol | but it certainly lookes like a bug | 17:20 |
| carogray | ok - sending off to login request and bug tracker | 17:21 |
| daviddelikat2 | mine is doing the same thing | 17:21 |
| +BartJol | well, at least it's reproducable | 17:21 |
| daviddelikat2 | there is definately a sync problem between day of week and day of month | 17:22 |
| carogray | it's always a relief to know it's a webgui thing rather than specific to our set-up. | 17:22 |
| daviddelikat2 | because it has higllighted the Tuesday box for this week in one fashion and the Wednesday box in another fashion | 17:22 |
| daviddelikat2 | mine is actually worse than yours... | 17:23 |
| carogray | oh brother - we have had such a hard time with dates and times on our sites and all the reasons why they don't work we have just given up trying to use them much at all :-X | 17:24 |
| carogray | not actually sure what that face means but it looks about right | 17:24 |
| daviddelikat2 | I think we shouild just forget about dates and calendars all together, its a really old invention.. we gave up horse and buggy years ago, :) | 17:25 |
| carogray | ok bug added - now returning to restoring all the shortcuts I lost last week when I somehow permanently wiped out an article. I only have about 150 or so left | 17:30 |
| +BartJol | yoohoo, my tiles have arrived | 17:45 |
| +BartJol | only got to pick them up at the store | 17:45 |
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| +BartJol | happy rfe day all! | 18:03 |
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| @preaction | wgd needs some sort of asset code generator | 19:03 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: JT Smith master * rd87d766 / (5 files in 5 dirs): added scheduled vendor payouts workflow activity - http://bit.ly/2MrWhu | 19:06 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: JT Smith master * r3308060 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Added scheduled vendor payout workflow activity. (Special thanks to Martin @ Oqapi) - http://bit.ly/3hxwFp | 19:06 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: JT Smith master * ra2264ab / (12 files in 10 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of github.com:plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/43ZeMh | 19:06 |
| @rizen | happy RFE day BartJol | 19:06 |
| SDuensin | Hey gang | 19:07 |
| SDuensin | Long time, no pester. | 19:07 |
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| daviddelikat2 | hey SDuensin | 19:17 |
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| daviddelikat2 | sneak peak at the EMS submission form: http://delikat.homeip.net:8080/home/the-big-e?func=addSubmissionForm | 19:19 |
| daviddelikat2 | feedback is welcome | 19:19 |
| daviddelikat2 | use the default login | 19:20 |
| @rizen | i'll talk with you about it tonight | 19:22 |
| daviddelikat2 | I was planning onthat | 19:23 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r90178d1 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Align calender i18n for weekdays with default settings. Fixes bug #11157 - http://bit.ly/3gO4hS | 19:28 |
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| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra473773 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Align calender i18n for weekdays with default settings. Fixes bug #11157 - http://bit.ly/1kfmZI | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | morning, everybody | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm sorry that I'm late this morning, the Kuskie crew has the flu | 19:30 |
| daviddelikat2 | I'm glad I have my virus filter running | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | The laptops are safe, they run Linux ;) | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | what's the RFE plan? | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | hm, I've heard of this plan, but it's rather uncoordinated | 19:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | perlDreamer: I need your allencompassing testing knowlegde | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | perlDreamer has to take one of the kids out of the wash, and will be back in 5 minutes | 19:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | cuz cm_deeply is playing tricks with me | 19:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | oki | 19:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | The code in question is here: http://github.com/martink/chartmagick/blob/master/Chart-Magick/t/21-palette.t | 19:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | lines 211 - 220 | 19:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | cmp_deeply is not failing | 19:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | the out put is here: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d46ca4a2f | 19:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | lines 26 - 30 | 19:49 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh btw. I changed I removed the refaddr's in the first two maps to come to this example | 19:50 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh something else, the elements of both arrays are the same, but in a different order | 19:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | but since I'm not using bag, ot should fail b/c of that right? | 19:55 |
| SquOnk | MrHairgrease: Lists have an implicit ordering, therefore having different ordering means they're different. | 19:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | indeed | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, what he said | 19:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's why it should fail | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | and it is failing | 19:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it doesn't | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | not ok 25 | 19:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | sure | 19:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that's not 24 | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | ah | 19:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | 24 is the cmp_ddeply | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | build a test right before/after that that cmp_deeply's [1,2,3,4] and [2,3,4,1] | 19:58 |
| SquOnk | MrHairgrease: Do you want to test if both lists have the same elements? | 19:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | squonk: no, I want it to check if the arrays are exactly the same | 19:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | otherwise I would've use bag | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | also, I would use Dumper to dump out the whole object structure | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | not just the reference addresses | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | in case there's something wrong with the underlying objects | 19:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | Dumpers no use | 20:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | it just says somethingthing like | 20:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | [ | 20:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | bless { blablabla }, Chart::Magick::Color, | 20:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | etc | 20:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | ] | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | oy | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | dump it anyway, and it will tell you why cmp_deeply is passing | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | the bless blablah's must all line up, or something | 20:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | I already did that, but I'll happily do it agin | 20:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | hang on | 20:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d6ce8711d | 20:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'l paste the code as well | 20:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d10869fd5 | 20:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease: that makes perfect sense | 20:15 |
| +perlDreamer | cmp_deeply checks data structures | 20:15 |
| +perlDreamer | and those structures are all the same | 20:15 |
| +perlDreamer | check the addresses using refaddr instead and the test will do what you expect | 20:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | sure, but all these colors are different objects | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, but each one is a blessed empty hashref | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | think about it | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | if cmp_deeply checked more than data structures, then | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | cmp_deeply( {} , {}, 'empty hashrefs'); | 20:17 |
| +perlDreamer | would always fail | 20:17 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yup | 20:17 |
| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan, each bug gets addressed in turn | 20:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | if you need it sooner than I can get to it, the existing tests in t/Asset/Wobject/Layout.t should help with debugging | 20:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | perlDreamer, as always you're right | 20:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that doesn't mean I have to like it =) | 20:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | thanks a bunch! | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, you should only say those things with Mrs Dreamer is in the room | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | it might help her believe it! | 20:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | just copy paste and mail it to her | 20:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | this is a nice bug, preaction | 20:48 |
| @preaction | thanks | 20:48 |
| @preaction | which one? | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | www_ical | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | the start date is next year | 20:50 |
| @preaction | that doesn't seem right | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | uh, it's computationally efficient? | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | :) | 20:50 |
| @preaction | true dat | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | ugh | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | need more tylenol | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I read the log backwards | 20:55 |
| daviddelikat2 | in a test script is there an easy way to test if the previous test failed? I want to skip a bunch of stuff on failure | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | each test returns whether it passed or failed | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | my $result = ok(); $my $result = is(); | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | and so on | 21:05 |
| daviddelikat2 | yep, I usually miss the obvious | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | perldoc Test::Tutorial | 21:06 |
| daviddelikat2 | I've got a cheat sheet sitting right here that says exactly that... | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | stupid inclusivity check! | 21:08 |
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| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2159ab1 / (3 files in 3 dirs): getEventsIn window is inclusive. Fixes bug #11158 - http://bit.ly/2ZnYAf | 21:25 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r65425d0 / (3 files in 3 dirs): getEventsIn window is inclusive. Fixes bug #11158 - http://bit.ly/4BeoJn | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan, I owe you an apology | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | there are no tests for the SSL caching in Layout | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm sorry for sending you on a wild goose chase | 21:33 |
| +cap10morgan | perlDreamer: ok. i just need to have an update to tell the boss. | 21:38 |
| +cap10morgan | they're breathing down my neck on this one | 21:38 |
| +cap10morgan | sounds like the update is, you guys haven't gotten around to looking at it yet | 21:39 |
| +cap10morgan | but it's in the queue | 21:39 |
| +perlDreamer | it's especially not fun to work on, due to needing to setup SSL on a dev box | 21:39 |
| @preaction | wooo hooo! 4 RFEs done by me! | 21:51 |
| +perlDreamer | no commits? | 21:51 |
| @preaction | hmm... i did one to the wre build branch | 21:52 |
| @preaction | another two are done but need info from the submitter | 21:52 |
| @preaction | and the last one is a webgui RFE that is done but needs info from submitter | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | d'oh | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | now it's time to play everybody's favorite game, guess the wiki | 21:59 |
| +perlDreamer | In which wiki will the "How to setup the WRE" be found? | 21:59 |
| @preaction | admin | 22:01 |
| @preaction | anything WRE is under admin | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks :) | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Google agrees with you | 22:06 |
| @tavisto | hey guys, this RFE should have been closed forever ago... unless I am missing something. If not, I'm making it go *poof* http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/9209 | 22:19 |
| +perlDreamer | you're missing something :) | 22:20 |
| @tavisto | nuh uh | 22:20 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 22:20 |
| @tavisto | what am I missing... the emails come like this already? | 22:20 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil: ping | 22:21 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, I could be wrong :/ | 22:21 |
| @preaction | tavisto: this means for the e-mail that comes when your content is either approved or denied i think (the Notify About Version Tag workflow activity) | 22:22 |
| @preaction | not the one that asks you to approve or deny a tag | 22:22 |
| @tavisto | oh the author of the content change | 22:22 |
| @tavisto | the admin already sees that. So maybe that's why it's still open | 22:23 |
| @tavisto | hmm.. yeah I think you're right preaction, it does say users afterall | 22:24 |
| @preaction | of COURSE i'm write! | 22:24 |
| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan, does it matter which user you try the bug with? Visitor/Admin/some other user | 22:24 |
| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan: which asset did you stick that SSL macro in? | 22:29 |
| +perlDreamer | was it in the Layout, or an Article, or something else? | 22:29 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rf35a9af / (2 files in 2 dirs): added #10614 Force rich editor to use strong/em - http://bit.ly/3h8Hoo | 22:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I was curious about that, preaction. If someone styled B instead of STRONG in the CSS, what happens? | 22:30 |
| @preaction | that's why it's a feature | 22:30 |
| @preaction | I and B are not valid XHTML Strict | 22:31 |
| +cap10morgan | perlDreamer: it seems to work the same way w/ any user | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | which asset? | 22:33 |
| +cap10morgan | i put the ssl macro in a snippet | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | that makes sense then | 22:34 |
| +cap10morgan | i use it to return http:// or https:// in absolute urls as appropriate | 22:34 |
| +perlDreamer | the layout is SSL aware, but the underlying assets aren't | 22:34 |
| +perlDreamer | so unless the SSL content is part of the Layout, and not a child of it, it doesn't work correctly | 22:34 |
| +cap10morgan | that seems weird, though | 22:35 |
| +perlDreamer | that means that I need to track down every place that uses caching | 22:35 |
| +cap10morgan | because i'm calling session->env->sslRequest() | 22:35 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, but the snippet caches | 22:35 |
| +perlDreamer | so first access to it sets it's cache | 22:35 |
| +cap10morgan | i see, so the snippet cache is just going to one cache | 22:35 |
| +cap10morgan | rather than a separate cache | 22:35 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 22:36 |
| +cap10morgan | er, separated | 22:36 |
| +cap10morgan | ok | 22:36 |
| * perlDreamer starts to think that perhaps caching should be disabled entirely in SSL mode | 22:36 | |
| +perlDreamer | or, that we need a global method for determining cache status and key | 22:36 |
| +perlDreamer | that all Assets can use | 22:36 |
| +cap10morgan | no no no! not until you can force non-secure pages back to http:// !! :) | 22:36 |
| +cap10morgan | a lot of people browse my sites in 100% ssl because they start out on a donation page as a landing page | 22:37 |
| +perlDreamer | disabling caching would do that, cap10morgan | 22:37 |
| +cap10morgan | would it? it would redirect the users' browsers to an http:// url? | 22:37 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a separate issue | 22:37 |
| +cap10morgan | so you're just saying, if the page is marked secure, skip the cache | 22:38 |
| +cap10morgan | not actually how the browser accesses it | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 22:38 |
| +cap10morgan | ok | 22:39 |
| +cap10morgan | that still worries me a little because we get big traffic spikes to secure pages | 22:39 |
| +cap10morgan | since we often direct list subscribers to them | 22:39 |
| +cap10morgan | is there no way to have a separate cachessl table in the db and then switch a global so all cache requests go there for children of secure layouts? | 22:41 |
| +cap10morgan | then if it's cached for non-secure in the other table it doesn't matter, it's still a miss | 22:41 |
| * perlDreamer is just kicking around ideas | 22:42 | |
| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan, you also realize that if I fix the core, that any custom assets will still not cache correctly | 22:43 |
| +cap10morgan | it's too bad that you have to fix it in each and every asset | 22:44 |
| +cap10morgan | rather than inserting some switch somewhere centrally | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | there's no good central place to do that (yet) | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | old-style WebGUI development is not DRY | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | there's lots and lots of copy/paste code all through the Assets | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | in some cases, it's needed | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | but in many others, it's not | 22:45 |
| @preaction | new-style won't be either, but it will perhaps be moreso | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | why wouldn't it be, preaction? | 22:46 |
| @preaction | there are things we don't have the time to break | 22:47 |
| @preaction | or rather, to fix | 22:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | time time time | 22:49 |
| +perlDreamer | see what's become of me? | 22:49 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, are you subscribed to the Admin forum on webgui.org? | 22:50 |
| +cap10morgan | perlDreamer: why wouldn't this work -- you can always ask the web server whether or not a request is secure or not, right? So why can't the central cache code use a different cache namespace suffix / table / some other separate area when that is the case? | 22:51 |
| +perlDreamer | because in several cases the central cache server caches a lot of other things than content | 22:51 |
| +perlDreamer | like user and group permissions | 22:51 |
| +perlDreamer | those should always, ever, have just 1 cache | 22:51 |
| +perlDreamer | that's why it needs to be done down in the content generating areas | 22:52 |
| +cap10morgan | ok, then what if you separated the cache into contentCache, sslContentCache, and otherCache? | 22:52 |
| +cap10morgan | (just brainstorming) | 22:52 |
| +perlDreamer | then you have to track down and sort them all | 22:53 |
| +perlDreamer | it's far easier to provide Asset.pm with a getCache method | 22:53 |
| +perlDreamer | which returns the right cache based on request type | 22:53 |
| +perlDreamer | and then use it in every asset that does caching | 22:53 |
| +cap10morgan | yeah, that seems like a reasonable approach. i guess i was thinking you would just change the things that were caching non-content data, then apply the central secure-request based switch to the pre-existing cache that everything else would keep using. | 22:55 |
| +perlDreamer | the problem comes with tracking down all those "other" cache users | 22:56 |
| +cap10morgan | yeah | 22:56 |
| +perlDreamer | it's easier to isolate the problem child (Asset) and fixing him | 22:56 |
| +cap10morgan | well, this doesn't sound like it will be that hard to fix in our custom assets | 22:56 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it's a 3 line change in the assets | 22:56 |
| +cap10morgan | ok | 22:56 |
| +cap10morgan | that sounds totally fine then | 22:56 |
| +perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/214559 | 22:57 |
| +cap10morgan | cool | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | after that change, all asset caching will be centralized, and future stuff will be much easier | 22:58 |
| +cap10morgan | nice | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan, if I send you a patch can I get you to double check that it works for me? | 23:02 |
| +cap10morgan | yep! | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/214565 | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | note, I haven't set up a SSL env to test with yet myself | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | but I should have it soonish | 23:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | time to make lunch for the kids | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan, let me know how that works | 23:22 |
| +cap10morgan | will do, thanks perlDreamer | 23:24 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: No, I'm not subscribed | 23:28 |
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| CIA-31 | webgui: Graham Knop static_definition * rcdbc94c / (lib/WebGUI/Definition.pm t/Definition.t): replace class's ISA instead of prepending to it - http://bit.ly/17pfgp | 23:51 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Graham Knop static_definition * r1bd76f9 / (lib/WebGUI/Definition.pm t/Definition.t): use methods for generating subs in definition - http://bit.ly/ExF8 | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk: I asked on that forum what bugs (other than SyndicatedContent ones) people might want backported to 7.6.35.3 | 23:54 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: OIC | 23:55 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I haven't found any others... | 23:55 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: In the end, I asked for the backport only because this customer cannot upgrade to 7.7 in the short term and they are heavily using Syndicated Content. | 23:56 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: And they are extremely happy with WebGUI as it is in 7.6 | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | and they are committed to using the debian package instead of a source install? | 23:57 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: They want to make WebGUI mandatory for all the government offices that depend on the ministry. | 23:57 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Yep. | 23:57 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: They are a Debian shop all the way. | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | good for them | 23:58 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Switching to 7.7 and even 7.8 will happen when Debian releases Squeezy (spring 2010) | 23:58 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Besides they don't need/want the new features in 7.7 anyway | 23:58 |
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| SquOnk | New topic: WebGUI 7.8 is still using YUI 2.6? | 00:00 |
| @Haarg | no | 00:00 |
| +BartJol | good evening | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | 2.8 | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol! | 00:00 |
| +BartJol | yeah, I need you pd | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | what dost thou need, noble translator? | 00:00 |
| SquOnk | 2.8... great. | 00:00 |
| +BartJol | came back after gaming to find you here | 00:00 |
| SquOnk | 7.7 is still using 2.6, right? | 00:01 |
| +BartJol | mostly, that mockobject | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, SquOnk | 00:01 |
| +BartJol | I couldn't get it setup properly | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | pastes? | 00:01 |
| +BartJol | so now I crapped up my code, which I will paste in a minute | 00:01 |
| * perlDreamer is crap-resistant | 00:02 | |
| +perlDreamer | paste away | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, can you give me 15 minutes to finish a bug fix? | 00:02 |
| +BartJol | sure | 00:03 |
| +BartJol | but here's the paste | 00:03 |
| +BartJol | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m36d1635a | 00:03 |
| +BartJol | oh, and I should paste the macro to | 00:04 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: JT Smith innodb * r5750a63 / docs/upgrades/convert-db-to-innodb.sql : added userProfileData - http://bit.ly/1Vcxnw | 00:04 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: JT Smith innodb * racf8e78 / (docs/upgrades/convert-db-to-innodb.sql lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm): fixed to work with constraints - http://bit.ly/lwZle | 00:04 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: The other bug in SynContent has been fixed too? The one regarding encoding. | 00:04 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: JT Smith innodb * r682b720 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fixing another constraint - http://bit.ly/39UVy2 | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, it is forthcoming | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I hope to include it in today's release | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | but we shall see | 00:05 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Great. That's the other bug I'm interested in seeing backported. | 00:05 |
| +BartJol | macro here: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m3127a172 | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan: it looks good on this end | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | but I'd love to have your feedback before committing | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | a few caching notes | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | anyone who is in admin mode automatically bypasses all caching | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | so you need a regular, joe user | 00:08 |
| +cap10morgan | yep, cool | 00:09 |
| +cap10morgan | i'm waiting on our hosting provider to fix something before i can test it | 00:09 |
| +cap10morgan | sigh... | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | hosting provider? Amazon? | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol: You didn't call process on the template! | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | wait a sec | 00:12 |
| +BartJol | ah | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | it's line 61 | 00:13 |
| +BartJol | quite sure it was something elementary | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | you shouldn't assign to templateVariables | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | just call the Macro's process method | 00:13 |
| +cap10morgan | perlDreamer: Rightscale in this case | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | ah | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | will it be a bit, you think? | 00:13 |
| +cap10morgan | i hope not! but i've been waiting for a lot longer than i wanted already... | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m207e17f0 | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | see how that one does, please | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | you want to call macro process after the template has been setup to be mocked | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan, let's wait until 3:00pm PDT. If you've not heard from them by then, I'll commit anyway | 00:16 |
| +BartJol | made some syntax errors, just a sec | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: how are you liking FF3.5 in FC11? Is flash working for you? | 00:19 |
| +BartJol | mmm, now it thinks I just dis 1 test | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | new paste? | 00:26 |
| +BartJol | I just copied yours | 00:27 |
| +BartJol | syntax is ok | 00:27 |
| +BartJol | just had to undo extra copying | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | what's the output? | 00:27 |
| +BartJol | root@bart-laptop:/data/WebGUI/t# perl Macro/PickLanguage.t | 00:27 |
| +BartJol | 1..2 | 00:27 |
| +BartJol | ok 1 - use WebGUI::Macro::PickLanguage; | 00:27 |
| +BartJol | You tried to plan twice at Macro/PickLanguage.t line 34. | 00:27 |
| +BartJol | # Looks like you planned 2 tests but ran 1. | 00:27 |
| +BartJol | # Looks like your test exited with 255 just after 1. | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | remove line 35, there are two calls to plan in there | 00:28 |
| +BartJol | ok, this is better | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | excellent! | 00:30 |
| +BartJol | not good anyway | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | more paste? | 00:31 |
| +BartJol | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m2992ce82 | 00:31 |
| +cap10morgan | perlDreamer: works for me | 00:32 |
| +cap10morgan | i'll test it as soon as i can and let you know what my results are | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | huh? | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, I see | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | time limit | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | gotcha! | 00:33 |
| * perlDreamer needs more tylenol | 00:33 | |
| +cap10morgan | sorry, my attention loop has many stops on it right now. so i come back here every 15 minutes or so. :) | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | no sweat | 00:38 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: maybe, it is the time or the beer, but I don't what I'm doing wrong, allthough, obviously I am | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | line 50, process is passes a hash reference, not a hash | 00:46 |
| +BartJol | mmm | 00:46 |
| +perlDreamer | $templateMock->mock('process', sub { %templateVars = %{ $_[1] }; } ); | 00:46 |
| +perlDreamer | or, make templateVars a scalar | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | $templateMock->mock('process', sub { $templateVars = $_[1]; } ); | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | with declaring it first via my, of course | 00:47 |
| +BartJol | cool, now only my array length is wrong | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | It's probably best if you develop this against a stock dev site | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | with only English installed | 00:48 |
| +BartJol | I can remove Dutch | 00:48 |
| +BartJol | # Missing: 'language.label' | 00:50 |
| +BartJol | # Extra: 'language.lang' | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | My older son's evil alternate identity is Pedro Kerkowskovich | 00:50 |
| +BartJol | that sounds doable | 00:50 |
| +BartJol | ah | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | There are Drupal specific extensions to FireBug. | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I think I'm going to be more sick | 00:52 |
| +BartJol | why? | 00:54 |
| +BartJol | don't do that | 00:54 |
| +BartJol | whoohoo, test passed | 00:56 |
| +BartJol | no check cover | 00:56 |
| +BartJol | s/no/now/ | 00:57 |
| +BartJol | mmm, got a 50% on a branch where it checkes whether the template exists | 01:00 |
| +BartJol | mmm | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | what happens if the template does not exist? | 01:02 |
| +BartJol | it return an error | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | that's not good | 01:03 |
| +BartJol | return "Could not instanciate template with id [$templateId]" unless $template; | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | that's okay | 01:03 |
| +BartJol | well, that what happens, but the false part is ok | 01:04 |
| +BartJol | , oh unless, double false | 01:04 |
| +BartJol | but I don't test it | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | so you need a test for that | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | and both cases, when no template is passed, and when a bad template id is passed | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | although, if no template is passed it should use a default | 01:05 |
| +BartJol | oh, and I need an update script for prolly | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | to add the template to all config files | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | and a package for the template | 01:05 |
| +BartJol | so, practically, I'm just not gonna make that today | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 01:06 |
| +BartJol | was hoping to get all stuff done today :( | 01:06 |
| +BartJol | not sure if stuffs included already | 01:07 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb92cf2c / (11 files in 6 dirs): Central cache access for Assets to handle SSL caching. Fixes bug #11131. - http://bit.ly/H3mwm | 01:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: could you do a pull on master tell me if you get commit 5bd5bb4, please? | 01:18 |
| @preaction | yep | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | odd | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | never seen CIA miss a commit before | 01:19 |
| +BartJol | okay, enough for today | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan: bug fixed | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | you can get commit numbers from the bug | 01:20 |
| +cap10morgan | perlDreamer: cool! did you end up changing anything vs. the gist you sent me earlier? | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | same stuff | 01:22 |
| +cap10morgan | ok, cool | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I added a changlog notice, but that's not functionally important | 01:23 |
| +cap10morgan | gotcha | 01:23 |
| +cap10morgan | thanks for the quick and easy fix, pD | 01:23 |
| +BartJol | have a nice day all | 01:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | afternoon, patspam | 02:45 |
| +patspam | heya | 02:45 |
| +perlDreamer | it's very slow debugging spectre bug | 02:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, preaction_, preaction*: your cron fix works | 03:17 |
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| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7b4572a / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/Spectre/Cron.pm): Make spectre wait a little bit between submitting CRON jobs to be run. Fixes bug #11093 - http://bit.ly/1GkgNK | 03:21 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r0fce67c / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/Spectre/Cron.pm): Make spectre wait a little bit between submitting CRON jobs to be run. Fixes bug #11093 - http://bit.ly/QqUAR | 03:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's the preaction_ shuffle | 04:28 |
| +perlDreamer | you put your preaction in | 04:50 |
| +perlDreamer | you put your preaction_ out | 04:50 |
| +perlDreamer | you log your preaction in | 04:51 |
| +perlDreamer | and then you watch him log out | 04:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 05:33 |
| +perlDreamer | commit, and push | 05:33 |
| +perlDreamer | not, talk to me CIA-baby! | 05:33 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8d707f1 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.8.2 release - http://bit.ly/4CzYu | 05:33 |
| +perlDreamer | there we go | 05:33 |
| +perlDreamer | now, on to further business | 05:33 |
| daviddelikat2 | you've been spending too much time talking to your computer | 05:34 |
| +perlDreamer | no one else talks to me... :( | 05:35 |
| daviddelikat2 | if you tried to commit me I'd run away too | 05:35 |
| +perlDreamer | do you have a fear of commitment? | 05:39 |
| daviddelikat2 | only when imposed on me | 05:40 |
| daviddelikat2 | forinstance when I had a job that required me to sit in a tiny little cubical surrounded by junk ant type at a computer all day I hated it | 05:41 |
| daviddelikat2 | but now that it MY cubical, and MY junk I love it | 05:42 |
| +perlDreamer | now you have a job where you work with computer junk all day long | 05:42 |
| daviddelikat2 | that too | 05:42 |
| +perlDreamer | so what's the coolest thing that's ever come across your desk? | 05:43 |
| daviddelikat2 | tough question | 05:44 |
| +perlDreamer | personally cool instead of globally cool | 05:45 |
| daviddelikat2 | it would depend on the context ( doesn't everything? ) | 05:45 |
| +perlDreamer | hardware-wise | 05:45 |
| daviddelikat2 | well I like the 64 bit desktops that are sitting around | 05:45 |
| daviddelikat2 | I also like the all-in-one CPUs that I got a few months ago | 05:46 |
| daviddelikat2 | then theres cool as in cash-for scrap cool | 05:46 |
| daviddelikat2 | I keep finding these pumps that are worth $300 each | 05:47 |
| +perlDreamer | that is cool | 05:47 |
| daviddelikat2 | its like they fall from the sky ont my desk... | 05:47 |
| daviddelikat2 | a couple grand here and there and you really have something... | 05:47 |
| +perlDreamer | do you ever come across any linear actuators? | 05:47 |
| daviddelikat2 | unfortunately I don't get any of it... | 05:47 |
| daviddelikat2 | :( | 05:48 |
| daviddelikat2 | I had a really cool ibm laptop not too long ago | 05:48 |
| daviddelikat2 | it had a reveadget for securityrsible touch sensetive screen and a fingerprint g | 05:48 |
| daviddelikat2 | try again: | 05:49 |
| +perlDreamer | reader for security and touch sensitive screen? | 05:49 |
| daviddelikat2 | it had a reversible touch sensetive screen on it and a fingerprint reader for security | 05:49 |
| +perlDreamer | that's cool | 05:49 |
| daviddelikat2 | unfortunately I was not able to clear out the fingerprint data | 05:49 |
| daviddelikat2 | so I never got it to work | 05:49 |
| daviddelikat2 | I really have a hard time with the idea of 'coolest' | 05:50 |
| daviddelikat2 | because I like it all | 05:50 |
| +perlDreamer | it sounds like you're in the perfect job, then | 05:51 |
| +perlDreamer | when it's all cool, that is good | 05:51 |
| daviddelikat2 | yeah except that it doesn't pay so well | 05:51 |
| daviddelikat2 | so i'm doin time with plainblack on the side | 05:52 |
| daviddelikat2 | which is fun too | 05:52 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, I like that, too | 05:53 |
| +perlDreamer | how's the EMS stuff coming? | 05:53 |
| daviddelikat2 | pretty good. | 05:53 |
| daviddelikat2 | have to cleanup some stuff after talking to JT but I should be done be end of the weekend | 05:54 |
| daviddelikat2 | at least with the prelim version | 05:54 |
| daviddelikat2 | theres always stuff that needs tweaking | 05:54 |
| +perlDreamer | of course | 05:55 |
| daviddelikat2 | say, whats the easiest way to determine if a function was called with a form submission or just a url click? | 05:58 |
| +perlDreamer | for all forms, there is a special form field added to every form to prevent forgery | 05:59 |
| +perlDreamer | it's called wgCsrfToken, or something like that | 06:00 |
| +perlDreamer | you can check for it, and you can check to see if the token is valid | 06:00 |
| +perlDreamer | webguiCsrfToken is what it's called | 06:01 |
| daviddelikat2 | thanks | 06:02 |
| +perlDreamer | if $session->form->validToken returns true, it's 99.9% likely to be a form submission | 06:02 |
| daviddelikat2 | thanks | 06:03 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: we are released | 06:19 |
| +perlDreamer | no hiccups, accidents, or brown streaks | 06:20 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rde9bd31 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.8.3 development - http://bit.ly/1iX2qH | 06:20 |
| daviddelikat2 | I'm off for the night, be in early tomorrow though... | 06:21 |
| +perlDreamer | earlier than me, probably :) | 06:30 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: you still on? | 06:51 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 06:52 |
| +perlmonkey2 | If so, yes flash works just fine for me. | 06:52 |
| +perlDreamer | 64 or 32 bit? | 06:52 |
| +perlmonkey2 | course it worked fine for me in F10. | 06:52 |
| +perlmonkey2 | 64 | 06:52 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 06:52 |
| +perlmonkey2 | you'd think 32 would have less issues. | 06:52 |
| +perlDreamer | you'd think so | 06:52 |
| +perlmonkey2 | you using the flash plugin from adobe? | 06:52 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 06:52 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I use their 64 bit beta and it works perfectly. | 06:52 |
| +perlmonkey2 | but in the past I've used a wrapper around their 32 without issues. | 06:53 |
| +perlDreamer | the page downloads, then the flash section grays out | 06:53 |
| +perlmonkey2 | weird | 06:53 |
| +perlDreamer | muy | 06:53 |
| +perlmonkey2 | That happens to me if I move the play slider back and forth a lot. | 06:53 |
| +perlmonkey2 | but if I just play normally or don't abuse the slider bug, it works. | 06:53 |
| +perlDreamer | does this work: http://www.tweetsie.com/kids_zone/? | 06:55 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: yes | 06:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll make sure that I've got the latest installed | 07:00 |
| +perlDreamer | overall, I've been very unhappy with FF 3.5 | 07:00 |
| +perlDreamer | we've had rendering and js issues with it | 07:00 |
| +perlDreamer | almost as bad as IE8 | 07:00 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I'm notice quite a bit of speed increase and no bugs at all. | 07:02 |
| +perlDreamer | it does seem quite a bit faster | 07:03 |
| +perlmonkey2 | But I doubt I'd notice rendering issues since I don't load most of the js on pages. | 07:03 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I'm used to things looking half done. | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | :) | 07:04 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, the joys of being a web developer | 07:04 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hah, that's more like the joys of being paranoid about websites. | 07:04 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I started making my wife use noscript after she landed on some hijackers page and she couldn't close FF and couldn't close a page that kept popping to the front. | 07:05 |
| +perlmonkey2 | She's finally getting used to it, but was annoyed at having to authorize js all the time. | 07:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | kill mozilla | 07:05 |
| +perlDreamer | killall mozilla | 07:05 |
| +perlDreamer | but she's probably not a command line person | 07:06 |
| +perlmonkey2 | she won't use the CLI | 07:06 |
| +perlmonkey2 | yeah | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | did you tell her it's like never learning how to walk? | 07:06 |
| +perlmonkey2 | that is not a battle I'm going to win. I'm just glad she's using Linux. | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | you could make her a custom icon that just does killall mozilla | 07:06 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I can ssh into her machine anytime she needs help | 07:06 |
| +perlmonkey2 | well, I'd rather just have her authorize sites she goes to and not authorize crazy weird sites. | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, that is safer | 07:07 |
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| preaction_ | perlDreamer: I just saw commit 0fce67c83 and need to say nice. that one will help me sleep better | 07:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm a little worried about it | 07:53 |
| @preaction | why? | 07:53 |
| +perlDreamer | people's cron jobs could be delayed by X*timeBetweenWorkflows | 07:53 |
| @preaction | yes | 07:53 |
| +perlDreamer | and X is N*M | 07:54 |
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| @preaction | yep | 07:54 |
| +perlDreamer | where N is number of simultaneous cron jobs and M is number of sites | 07:54 |
| @preaction | so let's say N = 5 * M = 70 * 4 = timebetweenworkflows(the site in question) | 07:54 |
| @preaction | perlbot math 5*70*4/60 | 07:55 |
| perlbot | 23.3333333333333 | 07:55 |
| @preaction | 25 minutes of delay | 07:55 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 07:55 |
| @preaction | for the nightly workflow, doesn't sound so bad | 07:55 |
| @preaction | though it also means the send emails workflow | 07:56 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 07:56 |
| +perlDreamer | and it is requeued every 5 minutes | 07:56 |
| @preaction | so 5 minutes later it'll get run, and then the next time it will get rejected because it's a singleton | 07:56 |
| @preaction | someday we need to work on webgui's PO-factor: the amount of stuff that annoys someone just getting started until they get pissed-off and never run webgui again and tell everyone else webgui sucks | 08:00 |
| +perlDreamer | like trying to install it on a no-login hoster? | 08:00 |
| @preaction | since installability is out of the question (unless patspam continues his Plack quest) | 08:00 |
| @preaction | it should be initial site setup | 08:01 |
| +perlDreamer | even with Plack, you need spectre | 08:01 |
| @preaction | esp since initial site setup is the first thing ppl see in a demo or the vmware instance | 08:01 |
| @preaction | JT keeps saying "you use it once, why bother making it good?" but it's the first important impression | 08:01 |
| @preaction | our initial assets kinda suck, our Style 03 is showing its age, and the initial configuration is blue fugliness | 08:02 |
| +perlDreamer | how do we find these 1-time users and ask them, instead of making guesses? | 08:04 |
| @preaction | that's a good question | 08:06 |
| @preaction | my thought is that we'd have to have both to show them and let them pick | 08:06 |
| nuba | what about make a survey jump on front of them when they open the download page: "hey, would you like to contribute with feedback?" | 08:06 |
| +perlDreamer | if they're mad, do you think they'll take a survey? | 08:07 |
| @preaction | sort of an initial feedback? then 6 months later if they still have webgui installed, we'll know based on the stats | 08:07 |
| nuba | just a modal dialog box, with a 'sure' or 'get out of my way' link. many sites do that | 08:07 |
| @preaction | what if webgui asks to phone home during the install? saying to us "hi, i was installed" | 08:07 |
| nuba | if they're mad, a survey gives them a way to vent out | 08:08 |
| @preaction | i mean, to me i don't need verification: the blue screens are ugly, take way too many clicks, full of too much stuff | 08:08 |
| nuba | and if you follow up with a human-made reply, then thats two points against "never run webgui again and tell everyone else webgui sucks" | 08:09 |
| nuba | point one: he was heard | 08:09 |
| nuba | point two: he can think someone is acting on the feedback he gave | 08:09 |
| nuba | just my $0.02 | 08:10 |
| nuba | you asked how to find these users, another idea is googling for blogs saying "webgui sucks" | 08:11 |
| nuba | tweets | 08:12 |
| nuba | nice, no hits on google's blog search for "webgui sucks" | 08:13 |
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| CIA-31 | WebGUI: translation * r12378 /translations/German/German/Workflow_Activity_PayoutVendors.pm: Updating German on translation server | 11:10 |
| CIA-31 | WebGUI: translation * r12379 /translations/German/German/ (ShipDriver_USPS.pm Shop.pm): Updating German on translation server | 11:23 |
| CIA-31 | WebGUI: translation * r12380 /translations/German/German/Workflow_Activity_PayoutVendors.pm: Updating German on translation server | 11:23 |
| +BartJol | sorry for all the mail, but my resolved tickets had to be closed | 11:35 |
| CIA-31 | WebGUI: translation * r12381 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (3 files): Updating Dutch on translation server | 11:38 |
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| +BartJol | morning | 12:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: seen the FC12 release notes? They make it sound pretty cool | 19:36 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: heck yeah | 19:38 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I've been looking forward to it for a while now. | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I'll have time to upgrade my work laptop to FC11 this weekend | 19:41 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rfee8428 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Post and forum notification links now deep link directly to the Post. Fixes bug #11074 - http://bit.ly/15kw6r | 19:44 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rae6655a / (2 files in 2 dirs): Post and forum notification links now deep link directly to the Post. Fixes bug #11074 - http://bit.ly/2T5ADp | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | seems to be a correlation between phlegm production and bug fixing rates | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: did some more digging for WebGUI sucks, and didn't find anything useful | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I think the core problem is just that no one is trying WebGUI | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | or, if they do, they don't blog or post about it | 19:47 |
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| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd3e7f50 / lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm : Document order of revisions returned by getRevisions. - http://bit.ly/4tYMHp | 20:48 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5201a1f / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/Image.pm): Autocommit image operations like crop, annotate, resize. Fixes bug #11152. - http://bit.ly/V71tR | 20:48 |
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| +cap10morgan | perlDreamer: SSL caching bug appears to be fixed by your commit. thanks!! | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | cool. I'm glad we got it all this time | 21:05 |
| dreamersgirl | me too. | 21:06 |
| dreamersgirl | :) | 21:06 |
| +cap10morgan | yeah, we'll keep an eye on it, but it's looking good so far. | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | your help with that bug was invaluable, dreamersgirl | 21:08 |
| dreamersgirl | anytime. | 21:08 |
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| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r365d4bf / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm): template attachments are not cleaned up on purge. - http://bit.ly/2i3QOb | 22:59 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rdfb1f36 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm): template attachments are not cleaned up on purge. - http://bit.ly/1mecR4 | 22:59 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r13f833c / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm): Do not highlight checkboxes when returning search results. Fixes bug #11150 - http://bit.ly/3X27s2 | 22:59 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1a56c07 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm): Do not highlight checkboxes when returning search results. Fixes bug #11150 - http://bit.ly/1h9vQf | 22:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: does this look all right, character set wise? | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | 'ALTER TABLE template_attachments ADD COLUMN attachId CHAR(22) character set utf8 collate utf8_bin NOT NULL PRIMARY KEY | 23:27 |
| @Haarg | just specify binary | 23:27 |
| @Haarg | and nothing relating to the character set | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 23:28 |
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| CIA-31 | wgdev: Patrick Donelan master * r7a75b3a / lib/WGDev/Command/Group.pm : Added wgd-group command with support for listing groups - http://bit.ly/2VkGY8 | 23:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | group is a nice addition | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we should consider getting rid of all the utility scripts in sbin, and replace them with wgd modules | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Gabor Szabo has put together a poll of which editors we perl developers use: http://answers.polldaddy.com/poll/2150554/ | 00:18 |
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| CIA-31 | webgui: JT Smith static_definition * r6be6aee / (4 files in 3 dirs): working on asset definition - http://bit.ly/3VrazZ | 01:29 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: JT Smith static_definition * rf7db5d5 / (docs/migration.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): migrating asset.pm - http://bit.ly/B6m8F | 01:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | nice wgd plugin, patspam! | 02:03 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: JT Smith static_definition * r25931b6 / (3 files in 3 dirs): compiles now - http://bit.ly/9ajRG | 02:04 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Graham Knop static_definition * r0e94b4a / (lib/WebGUI/Definition/Asset.pm t/Definition/Asset.t): automatically translate label and hoverHelp property elements for assets - http://bit.ly/QksQ0 | 02:08 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rece9d56 / (4 files in 4 dirs): | 02:13 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Rekey the template_attachments table. Fixes bug #11063. | 02:13 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Also, prevent template attachments from throwing an error on duplicate | 02:13 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: URLs, and fix the purge method added earlier. - http://bit.ly/r0283 | 02:13 |
| nuba | whoa, dejavu http://proudtouseperl.com/2009/05/5-things-i-lovehate-about-krang.html | 02:25 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah! | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | s/krang/WebGUI/ | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | here's the very definition of nuts | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a bug in the Matrix that requires you to have a very large Matrix to verify the fix | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | so I thought, I'll just make a package out of an existing large matrix | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | but you can't import matrix packages since some collateral is missing | 02:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | two survey bugs | 03:45 |
| +perlDreamer | two matrix bugs | 03:45 |
| +perlDreamer | 3 map bugs | 03:45 |
| +perlDreamer | and the bug list now looks very manageable | 03:45 |
| +perlDreamer | well, for core bugs | 03:46 |
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| topsub | Sup Everyone | 04:05 |
| +perlDreamer | yo, topsub! | 04:05 |
| topsub | hey pd! | 04:05 |
| +perlDreamer | long time no IRC | 04:05 |
| topsub | ya.. been doing my PHP thing for lil while | 04:06 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * recd5b14 / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 04:06 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Prevent the Matrix from showing raw data before rendering the DataTable. Fixes bug #11002 | 04:06 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Note, this undoes the progressive enhancement work that was part of 7.7. | 04:06 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: It was unfinished, and undocumented. - http://bit.ly/323KzT | 04:06 |
| +perlDreamer | getting the dinner call, bbiaw | 04:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat2, do you have a relative named robert, by chance? | 07:20 |
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| topsub | How is the upgrade from 7.6.27 to 7.7.22? | 07:57 |
| +perlDreamer | upgrade to 7.6.35 first | 07:59 |
| +perlDreamer | then take the shunt up to 7.7.(something else) | 07:59 |
| +perlDreamer | lots of template changes in 7.7.15 | 07:59 |
| +perlDreamer | read the gotchas very, very carefully | 07:59 |
| topsub | seems that would break my templates now huh? | 08:00 |
| +perlDreamer | not custom ones | 08:00 |
| topsub | ah.. okay | 08:00 |
| +perlDreamer | a lot of the defaults changed | 08:00 |
| topsub | ah | 08:00 |
| topsub | my designbyklein.com site is 7.6.27 | 08:00 |
| topsub | seems lots of features are out now | 08:00 |
| +perlDreamer | lots of good toys | 08:05 |
| +perlDreamer | template attachments | 08:05 |
| +perlDreamer | template packing | 08:05 |
| +perlDreamer | File Pump | 08:05 |
| +perlDreamer | SMS messaging from your inbox | 08:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Story Manager | 08:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Ad Sku, for selling ads on your WebGUI site | 08:06 |
| +perlDreamer | USPS shipping driver, PayPal payment drivers | 08:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Asset History browser | 08:07 |
| +perlDreamer | built in log file analysis tools | 08:07 |
| topsub | wow nice | 08:12 |
| topsub | when you say upgrade to 7.6.35 first, do you mean download that version from webgui and update to it and not use the built in system? | 08:12 |
| +perlDreamer | the WRE's upgrade system will try to upgrade, but it doesn't understand upgrade requirements and stop points. | 08:27 |
| +perlDreamer | so yeah, best to do it by hand | 08:27 |
| topsub | trying now | 08:29 |
| topsub | /prays | 08:31 |
| topsub | RSSCapable doesn't exist.. | 08:33 |
| topsub | in the database of course | 08:33 |
| +perlDreamer | RSS feeds were redone | 08:35 |
| topsub | should i create the table? | 08:35 |
| +perlDreamer | it depends on what it is trying to do | 08:36 |
| +perlDreamer | if it's only checking for table existance, sure :) | 08:36 |
| +perlDreamer | if it's actually going to use the table, then no | 08:36 |
| topsub | http://pastebin.com/m12de0f47 | 08:37 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a new one | 08:39 |
| +perlDreamer | where did that happen, topsub? | 08:39 |
| topsub | hmm i told the system to upgrade to 7.6.35 but it keep going | 08:39 |
| +perlDreamer | that's bad | 08:40 |
| topsub | its trying to go from 7.6.35-7.7.17 | 08:40 |
| +perlDreamer | restore from backup and do 'er by hand | 08:40 |
| topsub | i told it to download 7.6.35-stable | 08:40 |
| topsub | http://pastebin.com/m132aa898 - notes | 08:41 |
| +perlDreamer | you have custom code on the site? | 08:41 |
| topsub | nope, just default install with thingy asset | 08:42 |
| topsub | i have custom templates of course but not custom assets or anything | 08:42 |
| @preaction | for some reason an RSSCapable asset exists, but the table got deleted | 08:43 |
| @preaction | it tried to instantiate it to prepack the head tags, but couldn't | 08:43 |
| +perlDreamer | it should have been converted by earlier code? | 08:44 |
| @preaction | should have been. but what if it was unable to be instantiated to begin with? corrupted somehow | 08:44 |
| +perlDreamer | good point | 08:44 |
| @preaction | it wouldn't get purged, the table would still get deleted, then this happens | 08:44 |
| topsub | should i restore my database and try again? | 08:45 |
| +perlDreamer | it should abort the process of conversion, instead of skipping over the asset | 08:45 |
| +perlDreamer | then tell the user that the asset will need to be removed by hand | 08:45 |
| @preaction | yeah, we need to be able to fix old upgrade scripts | 08:46 |
| +perlDreamer | this is the shunt in 7.7, shouldn't be a problem | 08:46 |
| +perlDreamer | topsub, yeah, restore from backup, and then.... | 08:47 |
| +perlDreamer | then I'm going to bed | 08:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I can give ya more help tomorrow, but for tonight I'm shot | 08:47 |
| topsub | hehe ya i thought trying to update this late could be bad.. haha | 08:47 |
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| SDuensin | "It must be Thursday. I never could get the hang of Thursdays." | 16:33 |
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| CIA-31 | webgui: Joeri de Bruin master * rf91f7d9 / lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver/_PayDriver.skeleton : Initial upload of the paydriver skeleton (RFE#10959) - http://bit.ly/4nFnmC | 16:43 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 17:10 |
| SDuensin | Hey SquOnk | 17:13 |
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| SquOnk | SDuensin: Hi there | 17:14 |
| SDuensin | How's things here in WebGUI land? I've been heads-down lately and not kept up on things. | 17:22 |
| SquOnk | SDuensin: I've been busy too... | 17:23 |
| SDuensin | Don't guess you know anything about WebGUI-FS, huh? | 17:24 |
| SquOnk | SDuensin: Not at all | 17:24 |
| SDuensin | I need user-configurable WebDAV shares so bad that it's not even funny. It's so not funny that I'm reading the docs for other web software right now. :-( | 17:25 |
| SquOnk | SDuensin: Sad | 17:25 |
| SDuensin | It is. But nobody knows anything about the WGFS other than it's out in GIT and nobody has time to mess with it. | 17:26 |
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| CIA-31 | webgui: Graham Knop static_definition * r8b975cc / (lib/WebGUI/Definition/Asset.pm t/Definition/Asset.t): don't set tableName on property elements if it is already specified - http://bit.ly/36kbgP | 17:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | yay, first day fever free in a week! | 18:03 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Good for you! | 18:03 |
| * SDuensin cheers! | 18:04 | |
| SDuensin | My wife has the piggy flu right now. :-( | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I didn't get tested to find out what I had, but as long as it goes away I don't particularly care | 18:14 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 18:16 |
| SDuensin | So do YOU know anything (useful) about WGFS? | 18:16 |
| * SDuensin is going to pester everyone until he gets some kind of answer. | 18:16 | |
| +perlDreamer | WGFS needs 1 thing to be successful, and that is a programmer with time to develop it | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | JT has it all spec'ed out | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | It is on the WG8 TODO list, but I don't remember its priority | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I think there's a git repo for it on github | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the sum of all WGFS knowledge | 18:21 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Graham Knop static_definition * r9b31593 / (lib/WebGUI/Definition.pm t/Definition.t): return undef for ->get() with invalid property - http://bit.ly/4daXqX | 18:21 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Graham Knop static_definition * rd26c3c2 / (lib/WebGUI/Definition/Asset.pm t/Definition/Asset.t): enforce some restrictions for assets - http://bit.ly/1H8ae4 | 18:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ: Here's github's new setup, and how they chose it. http://github.com/blog/530-how-we-made-github-fast | 18:48 |
| SDuensin | Remember when 512M was an unheard of amount of RAM? <sigh> | 18:54 |
| * SDuensin has a memory starved VM that is taking FOREVER to do anything. | 18:54 | |
| +perlDreamer | When I build new VM's I give each one 10 Gb of drive space to live in | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I install everything from a linux distro, and have 3-5 Gb left over. | 18:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I install Vista, and it only has 30 Mb empty | 18:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Vista doesn't come with any server software, productivity tools, or programming languages | 18:57 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: But it's "corporate" | 18:59 |
| SDuensin | "Corporate"? That's what it's called? | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | Corpo, like latin for body | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | ate, as in ate too much and is now horribly bloated | 19:12 |
| SDuensin | I don't even own a tie or suit coat. That's how important "corporate" is to me. From experience dealing with them, anyone with a tie has the blood flow to their brain cut off. | 19:15 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, given the feedback (or lack thereof) to my Admin forum posting about 7.6.35.3, I think it will be a small bugfix release containing only the two bugfixes you've requested. | 19:28 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Good. Thanks! | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, when a Subscribable asset is packaged, what should happen to the group? | 19:31 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4c4fbff / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Calendar.pm : Remove debug code from Calendar. - http://bit.ly/3c2WbH | 19:51 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb7af2c9 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Calendar.pm : Remove debug code from Calendar. - http://bit.ly/3VeNJH | 19:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | that elnino! | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | finds the most exasperating bugs sometimes | 20:17 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rabb60f1 / (2 files in 2 dirs): | 20:27 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Fix autolinking issues in the wiki. Fixes bug #11086. | 20:27 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: The query for finding titles returns multiple title for each asset. | 20:27 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Guarantee that the latest title wins. Do not escape characters in | 20:27 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: the hash key, since that creates NEW hash entries, and all keys | 20:27 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: are quotemeta'ed later anyway. - http://bit.ly/1jvJs8 | 20:27 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rda62b16 / (2 files in 2 dirs): | 20:27 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Fix autolinking issues in the wiki. Fixes bug #11086. | 20:27 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: The query for finding titles returns multiple title for each asset. | 20:28 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Guarantee that the latest title wins. Do not escape characters in | 20:28 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: the hash key, since that creates NEW hash entries, and all keys | 20:28 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: are quotemeta'ed later anyway. - http://bit.ly/4kfeMT | 20:28 |
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| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r169145b / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move location of required marker from form field to label in all DataForm templates. Fixes bug #11047 - http://bit.ly/4yOY8F | 20:51 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r02e743a / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move location of required marker from form field to label in all DataForm templates. Fixes bug #11047 - http://bit.ly/2i82mJ | 20:51 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rd5da3d3 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move package to correct upgrade location. - http://bit.ly/2dBrCs | 20:51 |
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| @steveo_aa | I'm confused about WebGUI::Storage. I have a process that uses the create method and returns a storageId, but later in in the same thread, I get an _addError message from getPathClassDir that reports directory does not exist. | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | steveo_aa, isn't that the bug that you just reported a while ago? | 20:55 |
| @steveo_aa | No, but it may be related. | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | create does not guarantee you a valid storage location | 20:55 |
| * perlDreamer suspects that you are having permissions problems on the server | 20:55 | |
| +perlDreamer | such that the apache user is not allowed to write to every storage location due to root owning some of them | 20:55 |
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| @steveo_aa | All files and directories from uploads down are owned by webgui:webgui | 20:56 |
| @steveo_aa | I have affirmed that with chown -R webgui:webgui uploads | 20:57 |
| @steveo_aa | My situation is being reported while using a slightly modified version of the Collaboration system. | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | what does $storage->getErrors have in it, right after the create $storage? | 21:00 |
| @steveo_aa | Nothing. | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | is this part of an asset? | 21:02 |
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| @steveo_aa | Collaboration | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, that's a yes | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | which version of WebGUI? | 21:04 |
| @steveo_aa | 7.7.22 | 21:04 |
| @steveo_aa | It wasn't an issue in 7.7.19 | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Collaboration, or Post, or Thread? | 21:05 |
| @steveo_aa | Post | 21:05 |
| @steveo_aa | postProcess | 21:05 |
| @steveo_aa | When no image is added to the news article | 21:06 |
| @steveo_aa | not that I think that latter is a cause. | 21:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | what does Form/File do to a storage location after processing it, if it is empty? | 21:07 |
| @steveo_aa | It calls Control->getValueFromFormPost | 21:09 |
| @steveo_aa | getValueFromPost. | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, but happens to the storage location? | 21:11 |
| @steveo_aa | I don't understand the question. What is Form File supposed to do to a storage location? I would think nothing. | 21:13 |
| +perlDreamer | This is what one would think, but I suspect the reality to be otherwise | 21:14 |
| @steveo_aa | Form::File->getValue appears to call $storage->delete if there are no files. | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | would that explain what you're seeing? | 21:16 |
| @steveo_aa | Possibly, a core bug in postProcess that wants to execute and use $self->getStorageLocation when the storagelocation has been deleted. | 21:18 |
| @steveo_aa | However, the location information is still in memory | 21:18 |
| @steveo_aa | How would I determine from a $storage object that it has been deleted? One seems to be created and returned even after method $storage->delete has been called. | 21:24 |
| @steveo_aa | (get and returned) | 21:25 |
| @steveo_aa | $storage->delete only deletes the storage location and marks the object with _cdnDel(0), but the object persists for get. | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | seems like having a storage location being deleted would break version control | 21:31 |
| @steveo_aa | Storage doesn't seem to comply with any version control rules. You can add and delete files to a storage location without regard to versioning. | 21:32 |
| @steveo_aa | In my case it seems that an empty storage location is being deleted from the uploads directory tree before we are done checking it. | 21:33 |
| +perlDreamer | right, so the default form processing behavior of deleting empty storage locations should be skipped | 21:33 |
| +perlDreamer | it's too bad there isn't an option for Form/File that does that | 21:33 |
| @steveo_aa | It does look like getValue returns undef when it does that. I'll try to use that. | 21:38 |
| @steveo_aa | (deletes the storage location) | 21:38 |
| @steveo_aa | That seems to work. | 21:40 |
| @steveo_aa | Hopefully that change didn't break other features. | 21:40 |
| @steveo_aa | Moving on to test that. | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | if you plan on reporting that on the bug list, please provide how you're testing that, so I can do it consistently the same way that you are. | 21:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | lunchtime, bb after feeding the kiddos | 22:28 |
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| carogray | messing around with CSS AGAIN | 23:00 |
| carogray | why is it when I turn Admin Off, the snippet I am calling in an AssetProxy vanishes. I am still logged in, and permission to view snippet is set to everyone? | 23:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | hola, rizen | 23:14 |
| @rizen | hola | 23:15 |
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| +danny_mk | Hello everyone | 23:15 |
| +danny_mk | OK, I was trying to find a bug in the bug tracker about deleting a link in a calendar event | 23:16 |
| +danny_mk | I get a data error while searching so I can not tell if this bug has been reported before | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | danny_mk, what are the search terms? | 23:18 |
| +danny_mk | all | 23:18 |
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| +danny_mk | perlDreamer:sorry, defaults, any,any,any... | 23:19 |
| +danny_mk | is that too broad a search? | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | no keywords? | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | like event link calendar or anything like that? | 23:20 |
| @steveo_aa | Storage is an interesting trace. sub create calls get which calls _makePath, and then when that returns it calls _makePath on the result. | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | danny_mk, if I go to the search page and hit search, I get lots and lots of bugs | 23:21 |
| carogray | I asked - no one was around I think. | 23:21 |
| +perlDreamer | no errors | 23:21 |
| +danny_mk | right | 23:21 |
| carogray | If I turn admin off in 7.7.21 does that mean I leave my version tag? | 23:21 |
| +perlDreamer | danny_mk: "calendar link" gives me 1 bug, "event link" gives none | 23:22 |
| +danny_mk | perlDreamer: if you click the '>' you get no data errors? | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I do | 23:23 |
| @rizen | carogray: no | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I think there's already a bug posted for search pagination | 23:23 |
| carogray | well, guess what? | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | in any case, please post the event bug | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | carogray, leaving admin mode does change how caching works | 23:23 |
| carogray | I am calling a snippet - security is set to view by everyone and I have finally got it to work, I turn admin off to see ... | 23:24 |
| carogray | which means I need to clear the cache before turning admin off to see? | 23:24 |
| carogray | or just wait | 23:24 |
| carogray | or look it in another browser? | 23:24 |
| @rizen | or set the cache timeout on the snippet to 0 | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | carogray, to quote Bill Cosby, "How long can you tread water?" | 23:24 |
| carogray | not very | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | depends on how patient you are ;) | 23:25 |
| carogray | even though I used to be a competetive swimmer, I seemed to sink v. easily | 23:25 |
| +danny_mk | perlDreamer: #11162 | 23:25 |
| carogray | YAY Rizen: | 23:26 |
| carogray | thanks so much that worked. hallelujah - now I can go back to my REAL work. | 23:26 |
| * perlDreamer loves fixing Calendar bugs | 23:27 | |
| @rizen | perlDreamer loves fixing Calendar bugs so he can rub it in preaction's face | 23:27 |
| @rizen | other than that, he doesn't love it | 23:27 |
| @rizen | =) | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it makes my children smile | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | www.trainsinoregon.com | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | currently, I only rub Map bugs in preaction's face | 23:29 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a new one | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | unterminated string literal | 23:30 |
| nuba | rizen: ever heard of krang? got a deja-vu moment there http://proudtouseperl.com/2009/05/5-things-i-lovehate-about-krang.html | 23:30 |
| @rizen | i have heard of it, but i haven't looked at it in years | 23:31 |
| @steveo_aa | rizen: did you know that plainblack.com projects navigation has lost it's sub navs? | 23:31 |
| @rizen | steveo_aa: yes | 23:32 |
| @steveo_aa | cool. | 23:32 |
| @rizen | nuba: you're right, that article seems like you could replace krang with webgui | 23:34 |
| @rizen | and be talking about nearly the same thing | 23:34 |
| @rizen | hopefully webgui 8 will get rid of most of the hates on peoples lists though | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | danny_mk, that bug is totally evil | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a line wrapped template! | 23:45 |
| +danny_mk | LOL | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | the line wrapping broke the HTML::Template code | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | for a quick fix, it's line 134 of the Event Edit template | 23:45 |
| +danny_mk | thank you. | 23:46 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rde46eb5 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Line wrapped template broken calendar event link deletion. Fixes bug #11162 - http://bit.ly/3x2ijs | 23:49 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1de9866 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Line wrapped template broken calendar event link deletion. Fixes bug #11162 - http://bit.ly/4BBpx7 | 23:49 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rab78a3b / (2 files in 2 dirs): move package to correct location - http://bit.ly/3c7zZb | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | danny_mk: do you have any other bugs? | 23:52 |
| +danny_mk | That is it for now, YOU WAN'T MORE? | 23:52 |
| +danny_mk | LOL | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | the only remaining bugs are very hard | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | knocking out those little ones makes a nice break | 23:52 |
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| +danny_mk | perlDreamer: hey, it was at line 73! | 00:07 |
| +danny_mk | thank you. | 00:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | 73? | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, 73 | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | wgd edit and real tempate line numbers don't line up very well | 00:34 |
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| CIA-31 | webgui: JT Smith static_definition * r3938f9f / (11 files in 5 dirs): removed last remnants of old definition - http://bit.ly/462GHI | 01:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | are we using YUI 2.8r3, or r4? | 01:11 |
| @Haarg | r4 | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, Haarg | 01:16 |
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| CIA-31 | webgui: JT Smith static_definition * rbf15e71 / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : removed last filter - http://bit.ly/4gB3nZ | 01:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: did you end filing a bug for the dynamic assetManage more menu bug? | 01:37 |
| @preaction | not against yui no | 01:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | can we use something other than YUI utilities to provide those functions? | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | it's very difficult to trace | 02:09 |
| @preaction | what i've been doing is copying the entire source HTML into a snippet and editing it to remove anything irrelevant | 02:11 |
| @preaction | and also then changing to the -debug versions of the files | 02:11 |
| @preaction | you could also just try to rebuild the menu using instructions from their site, perhaps we did something wrong | 02:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | it works with YUI 2.6, just not 2.8r4 | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | so I don't think it's anything we did | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | and utilities doesn't come with a debug version | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | which is a bug all by itself | 02:18 |
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| * launchspam is at the State Library of Victoria | 03:35 | |
| launchspam | website launches are such an anti-climax | 03:35 |
| daviddelikat2 | thats because you work so hard getting ready... | 03:47 |
| daviddelikat2 | if you didn't do so much prep work there'd be lots of excitement at the launch | 03:47 |
| daviddelikat2 | ( I'm not making any recomendations :) ) | 03:48 |
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| @preaction | what's a good image to use for committing a version tag? | 04:41 |
| @preaction | i want to use something like an eject button for leaving a version tag | 04:41 |
| @preaction | i was thinking a pencil, but that implies editing | 04:41 |
| +perlDreamer | how about a rubber stamp that says "OK" | 04:41 |
| @preaction | commit, publish, write, save | 04:41 |
| @preaction | ooh nice | 04:41 |
| +perlDreamer | of course, rollback should be a pink eraser | 04:42 |
| @preaction | rollback == delete == red X of some kind (gotta keep things easy) | 04:42 |
| @preaction | but publish is weird | 04:42 |
| @preaction | and "leave" is weird too, i can't use the same delete X, because that means delete | 04:43 |
| @preaction | icons are more intuitive than words, agree/disagree? | 04:43 |
| @preaction | er.. "can be more intuitive" | 04:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | _can_ be. We just have to stick with good paradigms, and use good tooltips | 04:46 |
| daviddelikat2 | a picture is worth 1000 words, but an icon is only 1 or 2... | 04:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I like links with icons | 04:46 |
| daviddelikat2 | I like icons with tool-tips | 04:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Configuration Options! | 04:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Configuration options are like cowbell. | 04:50 |
| +perlDreamer | You can always use more | 04:50 |
| +perlDreamer | are you getting all this, preaction? | 05:02 |
| @preaction | i'm tryin to make the ok icon | 05:02 |
| @preaction | the stampytown icon | 05:03 |
| @preaction | configuration options are an opportunity for the user to make a wrong choice | 05:03 |
| @preaction | too much choice can be bad | 05:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I can see the bug happening in FireBug | 05:09 |
| +perlDreamer | by the time container.configXY is called, it's already too late | 05:09 |
| +perlDreamer | which seems to imply that the problem exists when the event is set up | 05:10 |
| @preaction | who am i kidding? JT will never approve anything | 05:12 |
| +perlDreamer | you could help me trace this JS code | 05:13 |
| @preaction | can't, he's already pissed because I "haven't done anything", when i'm writing 12-page specs, and now I have to write the entire 12-page spec over because he wants it different | 05:14 |
| @preaction | really rather not liking being told i'm not doing any work | 05:14 |
| +perlDreamer | admin console? | 05:14 |
| @preaction | yeah | 05:15 |
| @preaction | every screenshot is about to change | 05:15 |
| +perlDreamer | it's been a rough week for all of us | 05:17 |
| +perlDreamer | how about some good news then? | 05:17 |
| @preaction | ooh i like good news | 05:17 |
| +perlDreamer | only 18 core bugs | 05:18 |
| @preaction | yay! | 05:18 |
| +perlDreamer | in stable | 05:18 |
| @preaction | good job colin! | 05:18 |
| +perlDreamer | 5 of the bugs are assigned to other people to fix | 05:18 |
| +perlDreamer | 1 is not fixable ever | 05:18 |
| +perlDreamer | 1 is really an RFE | 05:18 |
| @preaction | the not fixable one is the Safari one right? | 05:19 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 05:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I've been working on the More bug on and off all day | 05:22 |
| +perlDreamer | grrrrrrr | 05:22 |
| +perlDreamer | the RFE is the EMS import. Although the Edit Story one is really an RFE, too | 05:25 |
| @preaction | so now: should i get as much done as possible, or should i try to get some sleep later tonight? | 05:29 |
| +perlDreamer | when does JT want it done? | 05:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | tavisto! | 06:51 |
| @tavisto | hey dude | 06:57 |
| +perlDreamer | we need to get BGG moved over to WebGUI | 07:02 |
| +perlDreamer | that'll fix everything | 07:02 |
| @tavisto | yeeeeah. | 07:33 |
| @tavisto | I have a feeling that would take months | 07:33 |
| @tavisto | they have all sorts of custom stuff on that site. | 07:33 |
| @tavisto | I'm surprised it works as well as it does | 07:34 |
| @tavisto | seems really random and thrown together. But I haven't had any issues with the site | 07:34 |
| @preaction | i have, it's unusable | 07:35 |
| @preaction | it's random and thrown together | 07:35 |
| @preaction | unnavigable | 07:35 |
| @tavisto | once you get used to it, it's fine | 07:35 |
| @tavisto | but yes the learning curve is.. brutal. | 07:35 |
| @preaction | worse than webgui's Admin Console :p | 07:35 |
| @tavisto | luckily, the audience is nerds and these guys are all techie geeks | 07:35 |
| * preaction just had a friend install webgui and walk through the site starter | 07:35 | |
| @preaction | unfortunately, he said he liked the initial setup wizard :p | 07:36 |
| @tavisto | I think using the site is actually like going thru a gauntlet. If you can figure it out then you are cool enough to hang with them | 07:36 |
| @tavisto | ugh | 07:36 |
| @preaction | omg you agree? | 07:36 |
| @tavisto | guess it's fine then | 07:36 |
| @preaction | that blue screen of fugliness? | 07:36 |
| @tavisto | of course I agree | 07:36 |
| @preaction | the dozen clicks where 2 would do? | 07:36 |
| @tavisto | dude, I have been the guy asking for a way to install CSS templates.. for like years | 07:37 |
| @preaction | it's like, your job is to sell webgui, and the developers of webgui don't make it easy to sell | 07:37 |
| @tavisto | hah.. I know my role. | 07:37 |
| @tavisto | I always skip over that site starter and get right into that..... that...... demo design | 07:38 |
| @preaction | my role is growing into "status quo irretant" | 07:38 |
| @preaction | yeah, style 03 is showing its age | 07:38 |
| @tavisto | um | 07:38 |
| @tavisto | yeah | 07:38 |
| @preaction | tavisto: you have omni graffle installed? | 07:38 |
| @tavisto | nope, that's one of the few I dont have | 07:38 |
| @preaction | k, i'll make a png | 07:38 |
| @tavisto | but it's always been that way with PB. Functionality always leads while marketing/design trails | 07:39 |
| @tavisto | we have a very logical and technical group of people working on a project. It's natural. Definitely makes it hard for me though when people are like.... ooooh look drupal/joomla/sitecore/squarespace/etc... pretty | 07:40 |
| @preaction | but design creates functionality | 07:40 |
| @preaction | http://imagebin.ca/view/yJQPdx.html <- check this out | 07:40 |
| @tavisto | wow | 07:41 |
| @preaction | too busy? | 07:41 |
| @tavisto | yeah I don't know where to look | 07:42 |
| @tavisto | but there's also lots of stuff open | 07:42 |
| @preaction | ah, let me splice it up then | 07:42 |
| @tavisto | these windows floating in the gray space I take it | 07:43 |
| @preaction | http://imagebin.ca/view/hK5ZT8.html <- this is the important bit | 07:43 |
| @preaction | hmm... perhaps i should make the stuff in the background fade out while the search box is open like that | 07:44 |
| @preaction | http://imagebin.ca/view/FtIulhS.html <- that's what it looks like before you click "Search" (or hit enter) | 07:46 |
| @tavisto | coolio | 07:47 |
| @tavisto | that would be cool with the fading. force people to look at the active window | 07:47 |
| @tavisto | I always like that in photo galleries as well | 07:47 |
| @tavisto | perldreamer, it's not letting me import that package into matrix | 07:51 |
| @tavisto | I'm about to drop a toaster into my bathtub | 07:52 |
| +perlDreamer | what happens when you try to import it? | 07:52 |
| +perlDreamer | since there's an existing version, no matter where you import it | 07:53 |
| +perlDreamer | it'll import it into root/import/matrix | 07:53 |
| @tavisto | I tried importing it into a folder under where the other templates were | 07:56 |
| +perlDreamer | and.... | 07:57 |
| +perlDreamer | it blew up | 07:57 |
| +perlDreamer | turned green | 07:57 |
| +perlDreamer | went wii-wii in your laptop? | 07:57 |
| +perlDreamer | trumped your ace lead? | 07:57 |
| +perlDreamer | spit on your teddy bear? | 07:57 |
| +perlDreamer | speak up man! | 07:57 |
| @tavisto | nothing happened. | 07:58 |
| @tavisto | nothing under packages, and nothing was imported into the folder | 07:58 |
| @tavisto | absolutely... positively... nothing. | 07:58 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 07:59 |
| @tavisto | *tavisto gets out the perlbeater* | 07:59 |
| +perlDreamer | and what happens if you look at the front page of the website? | 07:59 |
| +perlDreamer | do you still see extra info? | 08:00 |
| +perlDreamer | or.... | 08:00 |
| +perlDreamer | does it show a beautiful "Loading...." label, while it talks to the site via AJAX | 08:01 |
| +perlDreamer | pulling down reams of information about Content Management Systems | 08:01 |
| @tavisto | let me try again. I believe the answer is no to everything you said. BUT let's see. :) | 08:01 |
| * perlDreamer already looked :P | 08:02 | |
| @tavisto | yeah well just tried it again. I get nothing | 08:03 |
| @tavisto | wait a tick | 08:03 |
| @tavisto | you installed this template eh | 08:04 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 08:04 |
| +perlDreamer | you did | 08:04 |
| @tavisto | oh okay, so you created some stealth package that doesn't show up when imported? | 08:05 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it's an "upgrade" package | 08:05 |
| @tavisto | ah okay. | 08:05 |
| +perlDreamer | upgrade packages import like packages but don't have the package bit set | 08:05 |
| +perlDreamer | it'll show up in Asset History | 08:05 |
| @tavisto | well aren't you sneaky. I'll bet you know how all my credit card info now | 08:05 |
| @tavisto | er now have | 08:05 |
| +perlDreamer | you need a bigger spending limit | 08:06 |
| @tavisto | really? that's not good. | 08:06 |
| +perlDreamer | and flipping me off behind the screen won't help much, either | 08:06 |
| @tavisto | son of ah | 08:06 |
| @tavisto | you have clickjacked my webcam! | 08:06 |
| +perlDreamer | so, how does the front page of cmsmatrix.org look? | 08:07 |
| @tavisto | well neat-o, good work detective. | 08:07 |
| @tavisto | looks NORMAL! | 08:07 |
| +perlDreamer | w00t! | 08:07 |
| @tavisto | yessir.. it waits like a good dooby | 08:07 |
| @tavisto | or doobie? i dunno. Anyway, it seems a bit quicker to render too | 08:07 |
| @tavisto | it's annoying crap like that... that generates lots of emails to me saying... "um your site is broke, jacked up, not working right, crashing, etc..." | 08:08 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, next is IE8/FF35 (on windows XP??) | 08:08 |
| +perlDreamer | well, sometime in the next week, that is | 08:09 |
| +perlDreamer | time for old men to go bed, and leave the young bucks (and the Aussies) to do the hacking | 08:13 |
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| CIA-31 | webgui: Joeri de Bruin master * r93b0e22 / (5 files in 4 dirs): fix: Fixed a bug where www_selectPaymentGateway was not templated (#11161) - http://bit.ly/2U2dHH | 15:19 |
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| +BartJol | ok, finished tests for internationalisation stuff | 16:21 |
| +BartJol | another point, when a scratch language is set and a user logs in, the language will remain the scratch language. | 16:23 |
| * BartJol thinks that during login a $session->scratch->removeOverrideLanguage; couldn't harm | 16:23 | |
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| +BartJol | any ideas on this? | 16:28 |
| +BartJol | sorry removeLanguageOverride | 16:29 |
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| +BartJol | carogray: do you have an opinion about that, as multi-language user? | 16:56 |
| +BartJol | when you log in after having set a language, do you want to keep that lqanguage or go to your profile language? | 16:56 |
| carogray | could you explain what setting a language means? | 16:57 |
| +BartJol | ah | 16:57 |
| +BartJol | the webgui language (i18n) can be changed (somewhere in 7.8) | 16:57 |
| carogray | you set the language whilst you are logged in, right? or can you do it as a visitor? | 16:57 |
| +BartJol | so you can override the default language of a visitor or other user | 16:58 |
| +BartJol | can do both | 16:58 |
| +BartJol | it sets a scratch variable | 16:58 |
| carogray | sorry 'scratch variable' goes over my head, but if you set a language as a visitor and then you log in | 16:58 |
| carogray | I would think you would want to start in your profile language once you are logged in. go to your | 16:59 |
| carogray | I would think you would want to start in your profile language once you are logged in. | 16:59 |
| carogray | oop phone | 16:59 |
| +BartJol | :0 | 16:59 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 17:16 |
| +BartJol | hello SquOnk | 17:18 |
| +BartJol | you're international too, very nice | 17:18 |
| +BartJol | I need an opinion | 17:18 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: Let's see | 17:19 |
| +BartJol | if you choose a language as visitor, then log in, do you want to keep that language, or move to your profile language | 17:20 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: I was under the impression that, as a visitor, you have to stick with whatever language was set up for the Visitor user... | 17:20 |
| +BartJol | at the moment the score is: 1 vote keep it, 1 vote go to profilelanguage 1 vote: it depends | 17:21 |
| +BartJol | very shortly you won't have to anymore | 17:21 |
| +BartJol | in 7.8 | 17:21 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: Well, I guess that if my profile has a specific language, that's the one that I want. | 17:21 |
| +BartJol | ok | 17:21 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: Although I would add a simple question saying "you chose Spanish while visiting, yet your profile says Hungarian... would you like to switch or update your profile?" | 17:22 |
| +BartJol | that would be cool | 17:23 |
| +BartJol | mmm | 17:26 |
| +BartJol | arg, more work | 17:26 |
| +BartJol | mmm, I just wanna have an explicit answer from JT, that will save me the choice | 17:26 |
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| +BartJol | oh, Haarg I updated my repo with all stuff tested and the Macro included | 17:28 |
| +BartJol | it only misses a default template | 17:28 |
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| CIA-31 | webgui: Martin Kamerbeek master * r22d2ab3 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Testing... - http://bit.ly/RS9Lz | 18:19 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Martin Kamerbeek master * rc078998 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Made th evendor payouts manager more intuitive and easy to use. - http://bit.ly/YUJGP | 18:19 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Martin Kamerbeek master * r3ba2ecf / (5 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/2sUG7s | 18:19 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Martin Kamerbeek master * r4ba412c / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Adding changelog entry for previous commit ( fixes #11154: vendor payouts screen borked ) - http://bit.ly/4p5OdX | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease++ | 18:19 |
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| CIA-31 | webgui: Martin Kamerbeek master * r8a0b6ac / lib/WebGUI/Shop/Vendor.pm : Forgot to change some script tags back to using the minified version of the yui. - http://bit.ly/v0cU5 | 18:28 |
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| carogray | bartjol: still there? | 18:37 |
| carogray | could we have a search for PlainBlack online help - would that go in the RFE's? | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | it would | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | it may already be there | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | which means it just needs karma to get it onto the front page of listings | 18:43 |
| carogray | I will check | 18:43 |
| carogray | as for statistics is it that already set up for every site on one server? | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | by online help, do you mean the template variable help? | 18:44 |
| carogray | yes, not the forum helps | 18:44 |
| carogray | the little life preserver with a question mark | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | oh yeah, there's an RFE for that. | 18:45 |
| carogray | we are using a macro ^EncodeEmail | 18:45 |
| carogray | I can't find it in the template variable help | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | where did the macro come from? | 18:45 |
| carogray | not sure, that's why I am trying to figure out if it's a WG ... oh I think it's something Sandra downloaded from the contributions section of WG | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | not all macros come with help | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | especially if they don't have template variables | 18:46 |
| carogray | no I was just trying to look it up | 18:46 |
| carogray | well help didn't used to be only template variables | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | it is now | 18:47 |
| carogray | ok | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | well, all core help is template variable help | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | other user installed contributions could include other help docs | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | About your statistics questions. There are two kinds of statistics. | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | Statistics that are available through the Admin Console are always on a per-site basis | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | for the AWStats log analysis package that comes with the WRE, I think it is setup on a per-site basis by default | 18:52 |
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| carogray | sorry phone call | 18:59 |
| carogray | ok so if AW statistics isn't working - >login request | 19:00 |
| carogray | ? | 19:00 |
| @Haarg | yes | 19:00 |
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| carogray | done - thanks haarg, perldreamer | 19:06 |
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| CIA-31 | webgui: JT Smith static_definition * r1f11435 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject.pm : converted to new def - http://bit.ly/2oohsJ | 19:07 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: JT Smith static_definition * r38c7c85 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Snippet.pm : updated to new definition - http://bit.ly/3kFl5d | 19:07 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: JT Smith static_definition * r509c2d6 / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : fixed set detection - http://bit.ly/3MJUzt | 19:07 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: JT Smith static_definition * r377c49d / (4 files in 2 dirs): fixed a bunch of bugs...almost working - http://bit.ly/1vmFvm | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | this is just too funny: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/10/loss-proof_remote_control.html | 19:27 |
| @preaction | i would still only call that loss-resistant | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | ah ha! | 19:37 |
| +perlDreamer | Not only are you a pessimist, but I can duplicate the More menu with 10 lines of JS! | 19:37 |
| +perlDreamer | now, let's see if I can strip it down farther and get rid of the assetManager next to it. | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | and, if I'm right, I have a workaround for the bug too | 19:38 |
| @preaction | sweet | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | the More menu bug affects dynamically created text elements | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | static ones (like the crumb trail), are okay | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: having a problem with the reduced case: http://gist.github.com/217038 | 20:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I think the divs are so small that the menus can't render | 20:05 |
| +perlDreamer | so i can't tell if they're working, or not... | 20:05 |
| @preaction | force them bigger with width: and height: | 20:06 |
| @preaction | (to test the theory) | 20:06 |
| @preaction | but without an explicit overflow: hidden or overflow: scroll, they should be fine | 20:06 |
| @preaction | or, you could try rendering the menu on the body. YUI should move it to the right place using the context thing | 20:07 |
| @preaction | existantMenu.render( document.body ) | 20:07 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | that's not it | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | the dynamically created map was failing because I gave it a bad config object | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | back to the drawing board | 20:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | tavisto, have any game stores you've gone to felt like TGC was competing with them? | 21:34 |
| @preaction | just Cheap-Ass Games (a publisher), but not really (it's one dude, whereas we're everybody) | 21:35 |
| @preaction | there are some card publishing places, but most have minimal print runs | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | oooohhhh | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | In the YUI forum, it has an automatic tag extractor | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | as you type content, it pulls recognized keywords out and adds them to the tag fied | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | field | 21:45 |
| @preaction | nice | 21:45 |
| dionak | hey all | 21:55 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, dionak | 21:56 |
| dionak | quick question about testing content handlers. pd, i'm glad you're online | 21:57 |
| dionak | i'm guessing that the only thing passed into the content handler is the session, correct? | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, only $session | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Content handlers are called by URL handlers | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | which live in WebGUI/URL | 21:59 |
| dionak | is there a way to instatiate the content handler so i get a $self object? | 21:59 |
| +perlDreamer | so actually, if you're working on the URL translator for the thingy, you may want a URL handler instead of a content handler | 21:59 |
| dionak | or perhaps a way in my test to not have to pass in the class name and shift it off the method args | 21:59 |
| dionak | yes, that's essentially what i'm doing but there's no session object in a url handler to my knowledge | 22:00 |
| dionak | i don't really know alot about url vs. content handler. | 22:00 |
| dionak | hm | 22:02 |
| dionak | looking | 22:02 |
| dionak | wouldn't my content handler just as easily be handled by the content.pm url handler? Just curious what the benefit of a URL handler would be | 22:04 |
| dionak | i do see how i could get the session in a url handler | 22:05 |
| dionak | btw, how did RFE day go? | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | RFE day was slow | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | doug did 4 RFEs | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Content handlers don't use OO programing. They're just standard ol' subroutine based. | 22:07 |
| +perlDreamer | well, the URL handler would translate URLs, and then hand it back for regular processing | 22:07 |
| +perlDreamer | that way you wouldn't have to duplicate a lot of Content/Asset.pm | 22:08 |
| +perlDreamer | it also means you're closer to doing mod_perl programming, rather than doing WebGUI programming, which could be more/less difficult | 22:09 |
| dionak | that's a good point | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | the downside is going to be that URL handlers are triggered by matching a particular URL | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Content/URL is the last handler in the chain, and it handles any URL like /.*/ | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | and there's no way to alter the URL in the handler dispatch loop inside WebGUI.pm | 22:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to think these ideas through a little more carefully before suggesting them to people in channel. | 22:17 |
| dionak | so, even if i were to use a content handler, it would need to be placed before WebGUI::Content::Asset? | 22:18 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 22:19 |
| dionak | good to know | 22:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: I'm throwing in the towel: http://yuilibrary.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=1399 | 22:21 |
| +perlDreamer | time to make some lunch | 22:21 |
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| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf715630 / (lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset.pm lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset.pm): Make a hexadecimal version of the assetId available for templates. - http://bit.ly/4ena3F | 23:21 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re000016 / (lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset.pm lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset.pm): Make a hexadecimal version of the assetId available for templates. - http://bit.ly/7jWPI | 23:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | it takes approximately 30 minutes to install IE8 | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, the new cmsmatrix.org works in IE8 on Vista | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | and FF 3.5.3 | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to install IE8 on my XP box, and if it works, I'm closing that bug. | 00:06 |
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| @tavisto | awesome news | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Works on IE8 on XP, too! | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | bug-- | 00:25 |
| @tavisto | you are the wind beneath my wings | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | that would make me Bette Middler | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Not a pleasant picture | 00:29 |
| @tavisto | oh yeah, you aren't that cool. sorry | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I appreciate the sentiment, though | 00:29 |
| * perlDreamer is taking kids over to the library. | 01:12 | |
| +perlDreamer | Any last second questions? | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Comments? | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Offers for programming contracts? | 01:13 |
| @tavisto | I think you should write a home automation program in WebGUI | 01:22 |
| +danny_mk | me:exhausted from dealing with C++ code, later ... | 01:24 |
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| @rizen | anybody ever seen this before: | 01:26 |
| @rizen | Prototype mismatch: sub WebGUI::Asset::url ($;$) vs none | 01:26 |
| SquOnk | rizen: Yep. Check if url() is defined twice in the same module. | 01:26 |
| @rizen | it's not...however Haarg has contributed some amazing magick to webgui 8 | 01:28 |
| SquOnk | rizen: It can also happen if _two_ use'd modules export a method named url, one of them having a prototype and the other having none or a conflicting one. | 01:28 |
| @rizen | so it's possible that his magick is causing that | 01:28 |
| @rizen | what is a prototype as far as perl is concerned | 01:28 |
| @rizen | i don't think i've ever heard that term in regards to perl | 01:28 |
| @preaction | sub mysub($$) <- the prototype | 01:28 |
| @Haarg | definition is auto-generating a method 'url' but it already exists in WebGUI::Asset | 01:29 |
| @rizen | Haarg: yea | 01:29 |
| SquOnk | rizen: You use prototypes in Perl so you can get rid of the parens on calls | 01:29 |
| @rizen | i'm exstenind it | 01:29 |
| @rizen | sorry | 01:29 |
| @rizen | can't type | 01:29 |
| SquOnk | rizen: According to PBP, you shouldn't use prototypes anyway. | 01:30 |
| @rizen | i'm extending the url method generated by WebGUI::Definition::Asset | 01:30 |
| @rizen | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m114d6cf3 | 01:30 |
| @rizen | have i done something wrong? | 01:31 |
| @Haarg | no | 01:31 |
| @Haarg | http://gist.github.com/217229 | 01:31 |
| @rizen | dirty bitch | 01:32 |
| @rizen | i really need to make sure i import nothing from these modules | 01:32 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 01:32 |
| * rizen is not a fan of Exportable | 01:32 | |
| @Haarg | i've cleaned up bits of that over time | 01:33 |
| @Haarg | we should probably stick "use warnings; no warnings 'uninitialized';' into all of the modules right away. | 01:35 |
| @rizen | thank you all for the advice | 01:36 |
| @rizen | Haarg, sorry to bother you again...for some reason your definition code isn't exporting getProperties | 01:42 |
| @rizen | Can't locate object method "getProperties" via package "WebGUI::Asset" at ../lib/WebGUI/Definition/Asset.pm line 72. | 01:42 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: JT Smith static_definition * r81c42d7 / (4 files in 3 dirs): bug fixes - http://bit.ly/1SX4sA | 01:42 |
| @rizen | maybe it's something i screwed up | 01:43 |
| @rizen | looking... | 01:43 |
| @Haarg | rizen, you aren't calling next::method or SUPER::_build in WebGUI::Definition::Asset::_build | 01:45 |
| @rizen | why would i call next::method there | 01:47 |
| @rizen | oh | 01:47 |
| @rizen | nevermind | 01:47 |
| @rizen | i'm an idiot | 01:47 |
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| @rizen | Haarg...ok i've fixed all those problems and written some tests and they all pass | 02:12 |
| @rizen | so that's out of the way | 02:12 |
| @rizen | but now i have a question that isn't evident to me | 02:13 |
| @rizen | the instantiate() method | 02:13 |
| @rizen | i want to attach stuff to this object | 02:13 |
| @rizen | like $session for example | 02:13 |
| @rizen | but it appears that the instantiate() method doesn't let you pass anything into it | 02:13 |
| @rizen | so how would you go about: | 02:14 |
| @rizen | a) attaching some arbitrary data to the object, like $session | 02:14 |
| @rizen | b) am I supposed to use set() to initialize the data retrieved from the database? | 02:14 |
| @rizen | for b i would have thought i should pass the properties list into initialize | 02:15 |
| @Haarg | that is how it should work. if it isn't working then something is broken. | 02:15 |
| @rizen | oh nevermind | 02:16 |
| @rizen | i was reading the method wrong | 02:16 |
| @rizen | that does work | 02:16 |
| @Haarg | for a, the simple thing would just be setting $self->{session} = $session after you have the object. there are some issues with that though. | 02:17 |
| @rizen | how do i attach arbitrary stuff to it | 02:17 |
| @rizen | i did | 02:17 |
| @rizen | and it's not liking that for some reason | 02:17 |
| @rizen | Can't use string ("WebGUI::Asset") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at ../lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm line 2147. | 02:17 |
| @Haarg | where $self is the return from ->instantiate ? | 02:17 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: JT Smith static_definition * r9082008 / (3 files in 3 dirs): bug fixes - http://bit.ly/2h4ZXp | 02:18 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: JT Smith static_definition * r1f522c3 / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : fixed properties - http://bit.ly/3Ve28q | 02:18 |
| @rizen | just pushed | 02:18 |
| @rizen | take a look at line 2147 | 02:18 |
| @rizen | in asset.pm | 02:18 |
| @rizen | object->{_session} = $session; | 02:18 |
| @rizen | there it is | 02:18 |
| @rizen | sorry, didn't copy the sigil | 02:19 |
| @rizen | $object->{_session} = $session; | 02:19 |
| @rizen | then i try | 02:19 |
| @rizen | return $self->{_session}; | 02:19 |
| @rizen | and i get that error | 02:19 |
| @Haarg | hmm | 02:19 |
| @Haarg | ok, yeah | 02:20 |
| @Haarg | that's one of the problems i was referencing | 02:20 |
| @Haarg | given that the way this is going to be used is to set database values, instantiate should probably bypass the accessors | 02:24 |
| @Haarg | i'm not sure though | 02:24 |
| @rizen | it pretty much has to | 02:25 |
| @Haarg | either that or it needs to accept a second parameter of arbitrary values to set such as session | 02:25 |
| @rizen | otherwise the serialization stuff will get all fubared | 02:25 |
| @rizen | well we can definitely allow for a second parameter as a hashref of arbitrary other crap | 02:26 |
| @rizen | but i'm also saying it shouldn't use set() because there will be serialization methods in there | 02:26 |
| @rizen | and the data is already serialzed | 02:26 |
| @rizen | coming out of the db | 02:26 |
| @Haarg | should that be the first or second parameter? | 02:26 |
| @rizen | second, because you won't always have it probably | 02:27 |
| @rizen | but you'll always have init data i'm guessing | 02:27 |
| @rizen | oh crap...wife is pulling me out the door. let me know what you figure out on this, cuz i'd like to keep working on the asset stuff this weekend | 02:27 |
| @rizen | ttyl | 02:27 |
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| @preaction | anyone feel like looking at something for me? | 03:03 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, sir! | 03:03 |
| @preaction | http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/226725/Admin%20Console%20func%20spec%20v2.pdf | 03:03 |
| @preaction | most specifically the "Location Bar" and "Search" sections | 03:04 |
| @preaction | those are the most-changed since v1 | 03:04 |
| @preaction | and i'd really like to get them approved as close tot he way i have them as possible | 03:04 |
| @preaction | being able to just click somewhere and type "find my asset" to get to the asset i want will be awesome | 03:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | on page 2, isn't there supposed to be an Edit tab? | 03:05 |
| @preaction | not anymore, it's been removed | 03:05 |
| @preaction | i had a not-so-civil discourse about it, but edit tab lost. too many problems like "where do links in form controls go to?" | 03:06 |
| +perlDreamer | so you still have to do a page load for editing? | 03:07 |
| @preaction | you always had to, just which tab its in changed | 03:07 |
| +perlDreamer | at the WUC, it all sounded pretty clear | 03:08 |
| +perlDreamer | links from the form went to another tab | 03:08 |
| +perlDreamer | so that you wouldn't have to leave the edit tab | 03:09 |
| @preaction | yeah, but how? | 03:09 |
| @preaction | trust me, i tried explaining alll of this | 03:09 |
| @preaction | that was just one reason i was all pissed off yesterday | 03:09 |
| +perlDreamer | page 8, should be Tree tab instead of Manage tab | 03:10 |
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| @preaction | tavisto: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/226725/Admin%20Console%20func%20spec%20v2.pdf <- comments? | 03:26 |
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| @tavisto | omg.. adobe acrobat professional absolutely sucks when trying to edit other people's PDFs... The stupid form field recognition blows and just trying to add in simple text into existing tables (from the author) are a nightmare to edit!! aiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeee! | 03:28 |
| @tavisto | why God why! | 03:29 |
| daviddelikat2 | there is no good pdf editor | 03:30 |
| @preaction | er.. why are you trying to edit my pdf? you could edit my ODT if you wanted | 03:30 |
| @preaction | but yes, adobe software sucks. it's just some of their software is the best in class | 03:32 |
| daviddelikat2 | part of the problem is that the pdf format is not really editable | 03:32 |
| daviddelikat2 | I looked for an editor a while ago and discovered that the format is obscure | 03:33 |
| daviddelikat2 | and defies typical editing operations | 03:33 |
| @tavisto | yeah it's absolutely horrible. I'm not trying to edit your pdf.. but a RFP from the UN that needs to be sitting on the desk of the manager by 5pm Monday morning | 03:35 |
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| @preaction | ah, nice | 03:35 |
| @tavisto | I'm actually having to just write in my answers in their tables because I can't get any of my tools to let me insert text in all the boxes correctly. Some boxes are recognized by form wizard and others not.. So then I thought, I'll manually add text fields for every box | 03:35 |
| @tavisto | then the problem was there was not extra lines available... When you type the text just sits on one line and gets smaller and smaller and doesn't wrap | 03:36 |
| @tavisto | ugh... effin stupid acrobat. | 03:36 |
| @tavisto | Typing text into a table in someone else's PDF should be EASY... wah wah wah wahhhhhh | 03:36 |
| @tavisto | your doc is looking good preaction. makes much more sense to me now | 03:37 |
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| @preaction | tavisto: if they had used webgui, they could have had a fill-in form for RFPs | 04:01 |
| @preaction | that should be your first bullet point ;) | 04:01 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, is this the same UN group we talked about before? | 04:02 |
| @preaction | or hell, make it for them and let them see ;) | 04:02 |
| @tavisto | yes | 04:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Good luck! | 04:05 |
| @tavisto | one of their divisions already uses WebGUI but this is for the whole network | 04:05 |
| @tavisto | we found out about it last night.. and realized today RFP was due mon | 04:05 |
| @tavisto | not cool. | 04:05 |
| @tavisto | this has some serious similarities to DoS though so let's hope that paired with them already using wG helps us | 04:06 |
| +perlDreamer | feel free to use me as a reference | 04:08 |
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| topsub_ | hello | 04:52 |
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| @preaction | yay! WebGUIx::Assets can now be viewed using a WebGUI content handler | 03:24 |
| @preaction | now, to make them compatible with old webgui assets | 03:24 |
| daviddelikat2 | is there any reason not to put an assetId in a URL? | 03:34 |
| @preaction | it should be fine, why? | 03:34 |
| @preaction | in fact, assets are initially created with their URL as their asset id | 03:35 |
| daviddelikat2 | I just wante to make sure it was n ot a security issue | 03:35 |
| daviddelikat2 | or other issue | 03:35 |
| daviddelikat2 | does it need to be HTML escaped? | 03:35 |
| @preaction | nope. assetIds are url-safe | 03:37 |
| @preaction | also html-safe | 03:37 |
| @preaction | matches [A-Za-z0-9_-] | 03:37 |
| daviddelikat2 | thats what I thought | 03:38 |
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| @preaction | i have a WebGUIx::Asset that shows up in webgui's asset manager! yayyyy! | 05:40 |
| @preaction | next, make the functions work... so much to do... | 05:57 |
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| SynQ | weekend | 17:34 |
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| SDuensin | Anyone alive today? I've got a strange issue with URLs on 7.7.22. | 21:53 |
| SynQ | ah | 21:53 |
| SynQ | so do we | 21:53 |
| SDuensin | I'm trying to rename "iepngfix/iepngfix2.htc" to "iepngfix/iepngfix.htc" and it won't do it. | 21:53 |
| SDuensin | There's nothing in my trash to conflict with it. | 21:54 |
| SDuensin | Searched the asset tree. No other iepngfix items. | 21:54 |
| SynQ | we have a webgui that is making up guids for the uploads dir | 21:54 |
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| SDuensin | It's doing what, SynQ? | 21:55 |
| SynQ | making up url's | 21:55 |
| SynQ | at least it seems so | 21:56 |
| SDuensin | Arrgh. This is really annoying. | 22:04 |
| SynQ | a260a8981383e501f378b1557201abac | 22:05 |
| SynQ | it's creating that guid | 22:06 |
| SynQ | but it is not in the .sql that I imported into that server | 22:06 |
| SynQ | and it's also not in the .sql when I dump the db from that server | 22:06 |
| SynQ | so where is it finding that? | 22:06 |
| SDuensin | Beats me dude. | 22:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ: that is a hexadecimal id. All newly made GUIDs are hexadecimal | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | hex IDs work cross platform, even on Mac's | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | regular GUIDs don't | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, URLs are unique across versions | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | so if an old version has that URL, you still can't use it | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin: this wiki page will help http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/change-url | 23:15 |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer: Thanks - I'll read it in a sec. Is this behavior new? | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | since 6.3 | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe earlier | 23:17 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ: WGDev will translate GUIDs into hexIds | 23:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I haven't made a way for it to happen both ways, yet | 23:17 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuesin: have you hacked anything yet? | 23:18 |
| SDuensin | Never run into it before. Had issues with collisions with trash, but not history. | 23:18 |
| +perlDreamer | it's fairly rare | 23:18 |
| SDuensin | Not yet. Got a first draft of a site due tomorrow and was out of power all morning. So I'm behind. | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | oy. Good luck | 23:19 |
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| SDuensin | Yea. Thanks. :-) | 23:20 |
| RoaWS | Hi | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Howdy RoaWS | 23:20 |
| RoaWS | I'm using wG 7.6.11 | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | how do you like it? | 23:20 |
| RoaWS | It works great, I'm eager to use the 7.8 when it will be stable | 23:21 |
| RoaWS | And I'd like to upgrade to the last stable version (7.7.22) | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | first, upgrade to 7.6.35 | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | then install the upgrade to 7.7.22 | 23:23 |
| RoaWS | Ok, thanks I'm going to | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | read the gotchas file very, very carefully before each upgrade | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | and make sure you have good backups | 23:24 |
| RoaWS | And what about the gotchas about beta versions of the 7.7 branch ? | 23:25 |
| RoaWS | for example one say : | 23:26 |
| RoaWS | You must upgrade to WebGUI 7.7.3 | 23:26 |
| +perlDreamer | there are two upgrade paths | 23:26 |
| +perlDreamer | let's call them early, and late | 23:26 |
| +perlDreamer | most people take the late path | 23:26 |
| +perlDreamer | where they upgrade to the latest stable, and then to the next stable | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the one I recommended to you | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | if you do that, you end up skipping a lot of the "stop" requirements | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | the other path, is the early path | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | where you upgrade to the beta as soon as possible | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | it's for the brave who want the latest features and like the bleeding edge | 23:28 |
| SDuensin | I'll say it again. I hate CSS. | 23:29 |
| RoaWS | I'm not brave anymore when I'm using production servers :) | 23:29 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin: I used to hate CSS. Now I only hate not knowing it well. | 23:29 |
| +perlDreamer | RoaWS, there's brave, and there's wise :) | 23:29 |
| +perlDreamer | what kind of a site do you use WebGUI for? | 23:29 |
| SDuensin | I did this menu, works great. Copied it into a template in WebGUI. Doesn't do crap now. Same code in the browser. | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | odd | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm about ready to head out to run errands. Any last second questions? | 23:31 |
| SDuensin | Yea. That pretty much sums up CSS. | 23:31 |
| SDuensin | Sure. Got any money to give me? :-) | 23:31 |
| RoaWS | Differents kinds, but most of them are veterinary ones (in fact, I'm just configuring wG backend). | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, I'll add "lottery ticket" to my shopping list ;) | 23:32 |
| SDuensin | Nice! | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll stay logged in so I can read the logs later. Feel free to ask questions. | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | Stay logged in if you want answers ;) | 23:32 |
| SDuensin | I'm always logged in. I was even logged in when I didn't have power this morning. :-) | 23:33 |
| SDuensin | AH HA! Wrong mime type on one of my CSS files. | 23:36 |
| RoaWS | Arg, I'm having a problem I already faced, but I don't remember how I solved it | 23:48 |
| RoaWS | The problem is happening cause I'm using a 64-bit version of Centos : | 23:49 |
| RoaWS | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d6ac84549 | 23:49 |
| RoaWS | Does someone have an idea ? | 23:50 |
| SDuensin | Sorry. Not I. | 23:51 |
| SDuensin | CentOS and I don't get along. | 23:51 |
| RoaWS | It doesn't care that much that I'm using Centos, it's about the architecture | 23:52 |
| @preaction | looks like CPAN is trying to build the 64-bit version, but your perl is 32-bit | 23:52 |
| @preaction | perhaps something in your CPAN settings? | 23:53 |
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| SDuensin | I'm also 32 bit here. | 23:53 |
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| RoaWS | Well I'll see | 00:06 |
| RoaWS | Now, I'm trying to start SPECTRE, and I get an error : | 00:06 |
| RoaWS | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m3d4241de | 00:07 |
| @preaction | maybe you should specify a pidFile in spectre.conf? | 00:07 |
| RoaWS | it's the first time I get this error | 00:09 |
| RoaWS | Don't know why I get it before | 00:09 |
| @preaction | because it's the first time a pidFile needed to be specified in spectre.conf | 00:09 |
| @preaction | this should be explained in the docs/gotcha.txt file | 00:09 |
| RoaWS | yes, but I didn't upgrade due to the errors, I'm still at 7.6.11 | 00:10 |
| @preaction | then your spectre.pl file is still from 7.6.35, or you need to kill spectre manually | 00:11 |
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| RoaWS | Your write : I added the pid option to my spectre.conf file and it works | 00:17 |
| RoaWS | *right | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction is always write. It's axiomatic | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | anyone know what is happening to webgui.org? | 00:53 |
| @preaction | looks like someone changed a template | 00:53 |
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| RoaWS | So I will update wG later, but as I pre-run the update script, all my webpages are witten to be version 7.6.35 | 02:02 |
| RoaWS | Is it a problem if I want to create new websites ? | 02:02 |
| @preaction | you should not run a 7.6.11 webgui with a 7.6.35 database | 02:03 |
| @preaction | you should restore from backup | 02:03 |
| RoaWS | I just restore the sql files ? | 02:04 |
| @preaction | and the uploads directory | 02:04 |
| RoaWS | ok | 02:04 |
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| RoaWS | preaction: I restored the sql files, but it is always 7.6.35 | 02:23 |
| RoaWS | I've even created a new site | 02:24 |
| @preaction | then the webgui files are still 7.6.35 | 02:24 |
| RoaWS | I didn't understand | 02:25 |
| RoaWS | preaction: what should I do ? | 02:26 |
| @preaction | restore your WebGUI directory from the backup you made | 02:26 |
| RoaWS | I've done that from the backup of yesterday | 02:27 |
| @preaction | so you restored three things: the sites' databases, the uploads directories, and the webgui code directory | 02:29 |
| RoaWS | no the webgui code | 02:29 |
| RoaWS | since I quit the script before the upgrade | 02:30 |
| RoaWS | preaction: do I have to restore the webgui package even if I didn't complete the upgrade script ? | 02:35 |
| @preaction | yes | 02:38 |
| @preaction | in fact, ESPECIALLY SINCE. you can't run a webgui version that expects a different version of the database | 02:39 |
| SDuensin | Does WebGUI not check the DB version before running? Wouldn't it be better to have it abort instead of continue to run? | 02:43 |
| @preaction | that actually might be a good idea | 02:43 |
| daviddelikat1 | it needs to be able to handle some difference in the number though | 02:44 |
| SDuensin | Why's that, daviddelikat1? | 02:44 |
| daviddelikat1 | because the database version does not get chenged to match the code until stabel release is made | 02:44 |
| @preaction | no, it gets changed every upgrade | 02:45 |
| daviddelikat1 | I currently run with the db at one version behind my code because I ALWAYS RUNT BLEADING EDGE. | 02:45 |
| SDuensin | Oh. Well, don't have betas check. | 02:45 |
| daviddelikat1 | (sorry'bout caps...) | 02:45 |
| @preaction | when you do a "git pull" you should also be doing "wgd reset" | 02:45 |
| daviddelikat1 | I do | 02:45 |
| @preaction | wgd reset -d runs the upgrade script, which adds the right version number to the database | 02:45 |
| daviddelikat1 | and the db version is always different | 02:46 |
| daviddelikat1 | whats the command to past to gist? | 02:47 |
| @preaction | you need App::Nopaste | 02:47 |
| @preaction | and apparently i've screwed up my webgui once again so i can test myself | 02:48 |
| daviddelikat1 | I found it, but I forgot how to get gist | 02:48 |
| daviddelikat1 | heres the output from wgd version: http://pastie.org/669488 | 02:48 |
| daviddelikat1 | its a bit hard to read, but thats what I always get | 02:49 |
| daviddelikat1 | according to Perldreamer that is to be expected when you rung bleading edge | 02:49 |
| RoaWS | preaction: thanks a lot for your help, it came back to normal | 02:50 |
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| RoaWS | how to kill spectre ? | 03:03 |
| RoaWS | anyway, I found | 03:07 |
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| xdanger | Is there a recent discussions macro (or a sqlreport ready) somewhere? | 15:19 |
| SDuensin | I just syndicate my discussion RSS feeds to the front page. | 15:20 |
| xdanger | the entire Message Board doesn't have a single rss, but I could add everyone of them... | 15:34 |
| SDuensin | That's what I did. | 15:38 |
| SDuensin | Dunno if that's the "right" way, but it works. | 15:38 |
| xdanger | or this: http://www.webgui.org/design/wiki/summary-of-recent-posts | 15:48 |
| xdanger | I find the webgui.org little confusing. | 15:48 |
| xdanger | I was loking for that wiki in the use part of it | 15:49 |
| SDuensin | Yea. It needs help. They know it and are working on it. :-) | 15:50 |
| SDuensin | I'll stick with my RSS trick. | 15:51 |
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| dionak | what's up with the templates on webgui.org? e.g. - wiki page, rfe page... | 18:22 |
| dionak | is someone working on those templates? | 18:22 |
| dionak | hope so | 18:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | whitehouse.gov is running drupal | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | where was the CFP on that one? | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | and according to the comments on new.oreillynet.com, the old one was a custom CMS using perl and PostgreSQL | 19:27 |
| mdhoerr | Hmm. 27 errors in the validator. Most look like stuff they know about, but just missed (& instead of & in urls, missed closing tag) | 19:28 |
| mdhoerr | Ah. That was the problem. It was a "custom" CMS. | 19:28 |
| mdhoerr | I mean the white house was probably tied in to a contractor for support, or the contractor who made it wasn't available. | 19:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: swapped out utilities.js for element-min and yahoo-dom-event, and still no More menus | 20:15 |
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| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rbd00209 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm): Clarify the POD for addChild. - http://bit.ly/1s4GTw | 22:37 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r72bd5d5 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm): Clarify the POD for addChild. - http://bit.ly/3lWSb0 | 22:38 |
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| @preaction | DARRR why did we go back to the old navigation on wg.org? | 23:42 |
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| Mech422 | hey guys :-) | 23:55 |
| @preaction | and girls | 23:55 |
| Mech422 | of course :-) | 23:55 |
| Mech422 | I was just about to sic google loose on wg.org to look for info on adding calls to remote web api's to a webgui site. Anyone know of any special gotcha's I should look for ? Do I need to read up on modperl to stick arbitrary perl code (calls) into wg ? | 23:57 |
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| daviddelikat | basic rules: 1. don't print to stdout; 2. dont change the return value of a function. otherwise your OK | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: new nav was in the spec brief | 00:02 |
| @preaction | what spec? i must have missed that one | 00:04 |
| Mech422 | daviddelikat: ok - so no security restrictions and/or restrictions on opening tcp/ip connections ? I basically want to make a RESTish request to a remote system and use the response on the 'view my account' page | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | it was on the partners list | 00:04 |
| @preaction | ah, i'm not a partner | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | is the transition to the new design complete? | 00:05 |
| daviddelikat | Mech422: there really is no issu with the actual code, you just want to watch that you don't hold stuff open accross transactions | 00:06 |
| daviddelikat | but it wont stop you from doing it | 00:06 |
| Mech422 | ahh - zope gets pissy about stuff like that. code has to meet security standards, etc. | 00:06 |
| daviddelikat | thats the nice part about perl | 00:07 |
| daviddelikat | it lets you blow your foot clean off | 00:07 |
| daviddelikat | without complaining | 00:07 |
| daviddelikat | ;) | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech422, if you want to make insecure code on your WebGUI site, go right ahead :) | 00:08 |
| Mech422 | Cool - so just write plain ole perl and stick it in the perl install as the wg stuff and I should be good from that standpoint ? | 00:08 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: heh :-) | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech422, for what you described, you'd be better off writing an Account plugin | 00:09 |
| Mech422 | ahh... | 00:09 |
| Mech422 | ok - lemme go google that.. :-P | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account/_NewModule.skeleton | 00:10 |
| Mech422 | gotta admit - I love the way you guys have skeletons for all this stuff :-) | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | it helps us a ton, too | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam is working on WebGUI plugins for Padre | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | which could make even much more simpler | 00:11 |
| mdhoerr | Looks like you've got an extra </title> tag on the webgui.org home page. | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | mdhoerr, please file it as a bug | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | we'll assign it to JT :) | 00:15 |
| @preaction | assign it to mego, i think she's the one working on it | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I get much more interesting emails when I assign them to JT | 00:15 |
| @preaction | i just realized: I deprecated the individual accessors/mutators in WebGUI::User, but now in WebGUI 8 we're going back to individual accessors/mutators | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | but they're not individually generated anymore | 00:21 |
| @preaction | not for anything using definition, but if it's not using definition it should still have accessors to keep everything nice and coherent | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | if we gave User a definition, would DTRT? | 00:22 |
| @preaction | probably, i don't know. it's not part of the scope | 00:23 |
| @preaction | we're giving form controls the definition, so it should work | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | well, the individual accessors/mutators will fix the funky username/profileField bug | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I've got the More bug down to 401 lines of HTML/JS | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | with no WebGUI dependencies | 00:25 |
| @preaction | sweet | 00:25 |
| @preaction | i'm trying to pick off some of the low-hanging fruit on the bug list | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | there isn't any | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe the IE7 bug | 00:25 |
| @preaction | the deleted user's version tags and revisions one | 00:25 |
| @preaction | so far | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | that's an OS bug | 00:26 |
| @preaction | some fruit needed to be Feedback Requested | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | you won't be able to duplicate it | 00:26 |
| @preaction | yeah, but we can make sure the info is the same in both places | 00:26 |
| @preaction | we shouldn't be joining the users table in this instance | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | true | 00:26 |
| @preaction | (at least, that's how i'm approaching this one) | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | so they'd both be broken since WebGUI can't clean up the cache directory | 00:26 |
| mdhoerr | OK, I submitted the bug about the title tag. | 00:27 |
| @preaction | right, but consistently broken can be the same as "fixed" (esp in this circumstance) | 00:27 |
| mdhoerr | I gave it a critical rating, because I think it is having cascading effects on formatting. | 00:27 |
| @preaction | mdhoerr: it's possible, but i think what really happened is the new design was released slightly before anyone was ready for it | 00:28 |
| Mech422 | I could have sworn I saw account plugin stuff in my wg dev. guide... | 00:28 |
| @preaction | Mech422: you didn't, it hasn't been written yet. it's very new | 00:28 |
| @preaction | well, 7.7 new. and the dev guide is 7.6 old | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.6 had account stuff in it | 00:29 |
| @preaction | 7.5 old then? i don't remember | 00:29 |
| Mech422 | Hmm - so where did I see it .. .could have sworn I saw a tutorial type doc on it somewhere | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: could you see if this is broken in the right way, please? http://gist.github.com/219097 | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | "Crumb" link will show a menu | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | "More" will not | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | firebug runs clean, for what it's worth | 00:31 |
| @preaction | so... i can't copy/paste that into the Code Editor... | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it's a standalone webpage | 00:32 |
| * preaction explitive deleted | 00:32 | |
| +perlDreamer | completely self contained, even the DataSource | 00:32 |
| @preaction | yes, but you can put standalone webpages into a snippet and then go to the snippet's URL | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I guess if you separated out the JS and the HTML, into content and extraHeadTags it wouldn't work | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | but why not just file:///home/preaction/trial.html ? | 00:33 |
| @preaction | because i'm lazy | 00:34 |
| @preaction | anyway, i did it, and you're right. more menu doesnt appear | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | now I have something I can post to the forum | 00:34 |
| @preaction | are we sure the event is ever being placed on the More menu? | 00:34 |
| @preaction | also, my opinion of that forum is not very high | 00:34 |
| @preaction | it's almost as though professionals aren't using it (or aren't using YUI) | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | satyam watches the DataTable one | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | but if I don't hear anything soon, I'll just post a bug | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, what I've been doing is watching the DOM and toggling the menu | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | it's firing in the example, too | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | the styles are changing, but no X and Y locations | 00:36 |
| @preaction | ah | 00:37 |
| Mech422 | Is json the 'webgui way' as opposed to xml ? | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 00:42 |
| Mech422 | is there a particular json and http lib I should use for remote calls ? | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | using YUI's would be good | 00:43 |
| Mech422 | this is for server side... | 00:43 |
| Mech422 | for the account plugin thing | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, in that case you can do what you want | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | we use JSON and libwww | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | uh, that would be JSON.pm | 00:44 |
| Mech422 | cool - so I can use those :-) | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | LWP::UserAgent for making HTTP calls | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | but if you're dealing with the XML, on the remote data end, XML::TreePP, and XML::FeedPP may help | 00:46 |
| Mech422 | I'd actually prefer json - IIRC, the upstream takes both | 00:46 |
| Mech422 | this is just basically a 'subscribe to our mailing list' checkbox - but it ties to intelicontact to check current subscription status | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | nice | 00:48 |
| Mech422 | hopefully - let me write it first :-) | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | that almost sounds more like a custom Group plugin, where the membership in a group is determined by a 3rd party | 00:48 |
| Mech422 | dam - I was just sorting out the account stuff :-P | 00:49 |
| Mech422 | Does it matter if I want to update intellicontact when the user changes the value ? Is that still a group plugin ? | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | well, there aren't any group plugins. That would be the right way to do it, but use Account. | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, posted | 00:50 |
| Mech422 | ahh - thanks | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll give it until tomorrow morning, then promote it to a bug | 00:50 |
| @preaction | today's WebGUI annoyance: If you don't exist anymore, you're Visitor. | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | we do tell people not to delete users | 00:51 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r8c3414d / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/VersionTag.pm): fixed #11116: Deleted user's version tags and revisions - http://bit.ly/3gt3zX | 00:52 |
| CIA-31 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r5214f53 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/VersionTag.pm): fixed #11116: Deleted user's version tags and revisions - http://bit.ly/R3jmi | 00:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: will you have an encoding fix by tomorrow night? | 00:56 |
| @Haarg | hopefully, but i'm not certain | 00:57 |
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| daviddelikat | mmmmmmm waffles with blueberries and whipped cream | 01:44 |
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| +waffleDreamer | daviddelikat, our specialty breakfast is chocolate/chocolate chip waffles with strawberries and whipped cream | 03:22 |
| +waffleDreamer | but blueberries sounds really good, too! | 03:22 |
| daviddelikat | makes me drool | 03:22 |
| +waffleDreamer | you want the recipe? | 03:23 |
| +waffleDreamer | It's from Alton Brown | 03:23 |
| daviddelikat | I thought you just gave it | 03:23 |
| +waffleDreamer | for the waffles... | 03:23 |
| daviddelikat | what more is there besides waffles, choc chips, etc? | 03:23 |
| +waffleDreamer | chocolate waffles with chocolate chips inside them | 03:24 |
| daviddelikat | do you make them from scratch? | 03:24 |
| +waffleDreamer | yeah | 03:24 |
| daviddelikat | yum even better | 03:24 |
| +waffleDreamer | and they freeze and make good home-made toaster waffles | 03:24 |
| +waffleDreamer | http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/food-network-kitchens/chocolate-chip-waffles-recipe/index.html | 03:24 |
| daviddelikat | we never have leftovers | 03:25 |
| +waffleDreamer | we make quadruple batches | 03:25 |
| daviddelikat | least not enough to freeze | 03:25 |
| daviddelikat | good idea | 03:25 |
| daviddelikat | can you tell me if this code is to obscure? | 03:26 |
| +waffleDreamer | sorry, the last one was the wrong one: http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/chocolate-waffle-recipe/index.html | 03:26 |
| daviddelikat | my $hashref = { map { $_ => $_ } ( $self->getarrayref || [ $self->getarray ] ) }; | 03:27 |
| +waffleDreamer | why would you be able to get an array if you couldn't get an arrayref? | 03:27 |
| +waffleDreamer | and that map will not do what you want | 03:27 |
| daviddelikat | they are two different values | 03:27 |
| daviddelikat | why not? | 03:28 |
| +waffleDreamer | it will create a key that is the arrayref's memory location | 03:28 |
| +waffleDreamer | you need to deref the arrayref | 03:28 |
| +waffleDreamer | and if arrayref and array methods return different content, that would confuse me | 03:28 |
| daviddelikat | I forgot one piece... | 03:28 |
| * waffleDreamer has to get back to the waffle iron | 03:28 | |
| +waffleDreamer | I'll be back | 03:28 |
| daviddelikat | my $hashref = { map { $_ => $_ } ( @{$self->getarrayref || [ $self->getarray ]} ) }; | 03:29 |
| daviddelikat | names have been changed to shorten the example | 03:29 |
| +waffleDreamer | I wouldn't double decode the array | 03:33 |
| daviddelikat | whats double decode | 03:33 |
| +waffleDreamer | @{ [ $self->getarray ] } | 03:33 |
| daviddelikat | I'll split it up some... | 03:34 |
| +waffleDreamer | get an array, make it an array ref, then de reference it | 03:34 |
| daviddelikat | if I split things up IO won't have to deref it at all | 03:35 |
| daviddelikat | the deref is just to make the one liner work | 03:35 |
| +waffleDreamer | ah | 03:35 |
| daviddelikat | and it does... rather clever I think | 03:35 |
| daviddelikat | but perhaps not the best use of time... | 03:35 |
| daviddelikat | I'm going a bit crazy over this EMS submission thing | 03:36 |
| +waffleDreamer | how come? | 03:36 |
| daviddelikat | its going on forever | 03:36 |
| daviddelikat | seemingly | 03:37 |
| daviddelikat | also I'm so close to the end bit it seems totally elusive | 03:37 |
| +waffleDreamer | I usually build a feature list at that point | 03:37 |
| +waffleDreamer | and start crossing stuff off as I test it | 03:37 |
| daviddelikat | sounds like a good idea | 03:38 |
| +waffleDreamer | preaction: I fixed the double ending title tag in the webgui.org style templates | 04:15 |
| SDuensin | I'm going to kick this thing in the teeth. | 04:17 |
| +waffleDreamer | whazzup- SD? | 04:17 |
| SDuensin | No matter what I do, I cannot change a URL to be what I want! | 04:17 |
| SDuensin | And, yes, I read the docs! | 04:17 |
| SDuensin | :-) | 04:17 |
| +waffleDreamer | Did you use the Change URL thing? | 04:17 |
| SDuensin | Yep. | 04:17 |
| +waffleDreamer | what URL do you want to use | 04:18 |
| SDuensin | iepngfix/iepngfix.htc | 04:18 |
| SDuensin | Currently, it's iepngfix/iepngfix2.htc | 04:18 |
| +waffleDreamer | what happens if you go to that URL right now? | 04:18 |
| +waffleDreamer | iepngfix/iepngfix.htc | 04:19 |
| SDuensin | Dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria! | 04:19 |
| +waffleDreamer | Call Bill Murray! | 04:19 |
| SDuensin | It doesn't exist. So say WebGUI. | 04:19 |
| +waffleDreamer | do you have low level access to MySQL on this server? | 04:20 |
| SDuensin | Sure. | 04:20 |
| +waffleDreamer | do this query: select * from assetData where url='iepngfix/iepngfix.htc'; | 04:20 |
| SDuensin | One record. | 04:21 |
| +waffleDreamer | what's the assetId? | 04:21 |
| SDuensin | Complete gibberish. :-P | 04:22 |
| SDuensin | 5H20EIaRBtTVq3bK9s2giw | 04:22 |
| +waffleDreamer | then do this query next: select assetId, revisionDate, url from assetData where assetId='5H20EIaRBtTVq3bK9s2giw'; | 04:22 |
| +waffleDreamer | paste the results somewhere | 04:22 |
| SDuensin | Uh. Using a GUI SQL tool. Hard to paste results. | 04:23 |
| +waffleDreamer | there are multiple revisions of that asset though, right? | 04:24 |
| SDuensin | RevDate: 1226346378 | 04:24 |
| +waffleDreamer | and the newer ones have different URLs than the old one | 04:24 |
| SDuensin | No. Just one. | 04:24 |
| +waffleDreamer | just 1? | 04:24 |
| SDuensin | Just one. | 04:25 |
| +waffleDreamer | select assetData.assetId, state, status from assetData join asset using (assetId) where assetId='5H20EIaRBtTVq3bK9s2giw'; | 04:26 |
| +waffleDreamer | what are the state and status? | 04:26 |
| SDuensin | Published / Pending | 04:27 |
| +waffleDreamer | do you have any uncommitted version tags? | 04:27 |
| +waffleDreamer | Admin Console -> Version Tags | 04:27 |
| SDuensin | Nope. | 04:28 |
| SDuensin | See? I broke it. I always break it. | 04:30 |
| +waffleDreamer | select assetData.assetId, state, status, tagId from assetData join asset using (assetId) where assetId='5H20EIaRBtTVq3bK9s2giw'; | 04:30 |
| SDuensin | tagid: tqzjKK9QNj5y_hCgMaUbPg | 04:31 |
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| +waffleDreamer | select * from assetVersionTag where tagId='tqzjKK9QNj5y_hCgMaUbPg'; | 04:32 |
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| +waffleDreamer | you are looking for things like commitDate, committedBy | 04:33 |
| +waffleDreamer | isLocked, and lockedBy | 04:33 |
| SDuensin | Created by me, committed by me, isLocked, locked by me, date is 1251245878. | 04:33 |
| +waffleDreamer | what's the default versiontag method for your site | 04:34 |
| +waffleDreamer | autocommit? | 04:34 |
| +waffleDreamer | The date is August 25th | 04:34 |
| SDuensin | No, I set it back to behave like older releases. No approval, one tag per user, comments enabled. | 04:34 |
| SDuensin | Sadly, that date sounds right. (This site got back-burnered.) | 04:35 |
| +waffleDreamer | there are workflowId and workflowInstanceId fields in there, too | 04:36 |
| +waffleDreamer | check the Workflow and WorkflowInstance tables for those | 04:36 |
| +waffleDreamer | sounds like the commit workflow for that versionTag got fubar'ed | 04:37 |
| SDuensin | Workflow is "Commit with approval." Never remember using that setting. | 04:38 |
| SDuensin | Noting in the instance table. | 04:38 |
| +waffleDreamer | Also, check your WebGUI Inbox, in your account | 04:39 |
| +waffleDreamer | in Admin's account, too | 04:39 |
| +waffleDreamer | look for a request for approval message with a link to approve that version tag | 04:39 |
| SDuensin | Checking. | 04:39 |
| * SDuensin is more inclined to believe he screwed it up, not WebGUI. | 04:39 | |
| +waffleDreamer | at this point, I'm not sure | 04:40 |
| +waffleDreamer | but remember this that package that you had problems with a while back? | 04:40 |
| +waffleDreamer | this is it | 04:40 |
| +waffleDreamer | and now we know what happened | 04:40 |
| +waffleDreamer | it's waiting for approval | 04:40 |
| SDuensin | OH YEA! Good catch! | 04:40 |
| * waffleDreamer hates loose ends, and burnt waffles | 04:40 | |
| SDuensin | Nine mails, they all say my tag was approved. | 04:42 |
| +waffleDreamer | no links to actually approve anything? | 04:42 |
| SDuensin | Some links, but they say it was approved. I think they're just to view what happened. | 04:42 |
| +waffleDreamer | the message could have been deleted... | 04:43 |
| SDuensin | Not by me. Never even thought to look in there. | 04:43 |
| +waffleDreamer | we can fix this two ways | 04:43 |
| +waffleDreamer | 1) through the front end, where we try to find the tag and resurrect it | 04:44 |
| SDuensin | Settings say "Commit without approval", "Single version tag per user", and "skip commit comments: no". | 04:44 |
| +waffleDreamer | 2) manually alter the db | 04:44 |
| SDuensin | Which is safer to my data? | 04:45 |
| +waffleDreamer | since you want to delete this thing in the end, I'd go (2) | 04:45 |
| SDuensin | ok | 04:46 |
| +waffleDreamer | select assetId, url, title from assetData where tagId='tqzjKK9QNj5y_hCgMaUbPg'; | 04:46 |
| +waffleDreamer | how many assets? | 04:47 |
| SDuensin | Three. Two part of what I want to delete, and one the root folder they're in. But other things are in there, too. | 04:48 |
| +waffleDreamer | like what? | 04:48 |
| SDuensin | My entire site theme. | 04:50 |
| +waffleDreamer | oy | 04:50 |
| +waffleDreamer | and it's committed? | 04:50 |
| +waffleDreamer | and works? | 04:50 |
| SDuensin | Of course. | 04:50 |
| +waffleDreamer | very odd | 04:50 |
| SDuensin | You expect otherwise from me? | 04:50 |
| +waffleDreamer | one hopes | 04:51 |
| +waffleDreamer | in that version tag, was isCommitted=1? | 04:51 |
| SDuensin | I think. | 04:53 |
| +waffleDreamer | double check | 04:53 |
| +waffleDreamer | (please :) | 04:53 |
| SDuensin | SELECT * FROM assetVersionTag WHERE tagId='tqzjKK9QNj5y_hCgMaUbPg' <--- Right? | 04:53 |
| +waffleDreamer | yawp | 04:53 |
| SDuensin | It's 1. | 04:54 |
| +waffleDreamer | okay, then this is easy | 04:54 |
| SDuensin | I like to hear that. | 04:54 |
| +waffleDreamer | select assetId, url, title, status from assetData where tagId='tqzjKK9QNj5y_hCgMaUbPg'; | 04:55 |
| +waffleDreamer | note the ones that say "pending" | 04:55 |
| +waffleDreamer | and then write a query to set their status to "published" | 04:55 |
| +waffleDreamer | something like | 04:55 |
| +waffleDreamer | update assetData set status='published' where tagId='tqzjKK9QNj5y_hCgMaUbPg' and status = 'pending'; | 04:56 |
| SDuensin | published or approved? | 04:56 |
| +waffleDreamer | approved | 04:56 |
| SDuensin | ko | 04:57 |
| * waffleDreamer can never keep state and status straight | 04:57 | |
| SDuensin | done! | 04:57 |
| +waffleDreamer | now, can you access the asset via its URL? | 04:57 |
| SDuensin | think that's it, eh? | 04:58 |
| +waffleDreamer | yup | 04:58 |
| SDuensin | hey! it's there...and something odd | 04:59 |
| +waffleDreamer | of course, it's still you... | 05:00 |
| SDuensin | in the asset admin for that "directory", I now have two "iepngfix.htc" and two "blank.gif" entries... | 05:00 |
| +waffleDreamer | that's by menutitle | 05:00 |
| SDuensin | And the two I want are locked and don't have "Edit" links. Just "More". | 05:00 |
| +waffleDreamer | locked? | 05:01 |
| SDuensin | Little gold lock, yes. | 05:01 |
| +waffleDreamer | hover over the lock. Who are they locked by? | 05:01 |
| SDuensin | Hehehe.... "undefined Scott" | 05:01 |
| SDuensin | I'd really rather it said "Great Scott". | 05:02 |
| +waffleDreamer | go back to the query that lists the assetIds under that tag | 05:04 |
| +waffleDreamer | select asset.assetId, title, url, tagId, isLockedBy, state, status from assetData join asset using (assetId) where tagId='tqzjKK9QNj5y_hCgMaUbPg'; | 05:05 |
| +waffleDreamer | and now fix isLockedBy | 05:05 |
| +waffleDreamer | bbiaw, have to put kids to bed... | 05:05 |
| SDuensin | ko | 05:05 |
| SDuensin | Still locked. | 05:13 |
| SDuensin | Makes no sense. | 05:13 |
| +waffleDreamer | rerun the query that lists isLockedBy and state again | 05:13 |
| +waffleDreamer | what is isLockedBy set to? | 05:13 |
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| SDuensin | NULL | 05:15 |
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| +waffleDreamer | for all assets under that tag? | 05:16 |
| SDuensin | Yes. | 05:16 |
| SDuensin | I changed two of them from "3" to NULL. | 05:16 |
| +waffleDreamer | then clear the server cache, and your browser cache and reload the page | 05:16 |
| +waffleDreamer | someone is lying :) | 05:16 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 05:17 |
| SDuensin | Ah! Much better! | 05:18 |
| +waffleDreamer | all better? | 05:18 |
| SDuensin | I'm scared to say "all better". Can we go with "I'm happy for now"? :-) | 05:18 |
| +waffleDreamer | sure | 05:18 |
| SDuensin | Thanks a ton, bud. Once again, you guys go above and beyond. | 05:19 |
| @preaction | 7.7.23 is tomorrow, right? | 05:19 |
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| +waffleDreamer | I dearly hope so | 05:20 |
| +waffleDreamer | you're welcome, SDuensin. | 05:20 |
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| SDuensin | I'll tell rizen you need a raise. | 05:24 |
| +waffleDreamer | actually, it might be better if you didn't | 05:24 |
| SDuensin | Chicken. :-P | 05:25 |
| +waffleDreamer | nice work, preaction! | 05:30 |
| @preaction | i figured, bug-fix day might as well bug-fix | 05:31 |
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| +waffleDreamer | today is bug-fix day? | 05:34 |
| @preaction | well, was | 05:34 |
| SDuensin | Dang. I thought it was bug-make day. | 05:38 |
| @preaction | that's every day | 05:38 |
| SDuensin | How on earth did we ever debug things in IE6? It's like a black frickin' box. | 05:39 |
| @preaction | wonderful. Map doesn't have any help. | 05:49 |
| +waffleDreamer | I hear it's missing an icon, too | 05:56 |
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| +waffleDreamer | tomorrow, hopefully we can wrap up the More menu, and I'll have a go at the Survey | 06:02 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r6613483 / (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed: #10887: Map Point dropdown doesn't update - http://bit.ly/2bOEdg | 08:02 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rb577b95 / (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed: #10887: Map Point dropdown doesn't update - http://bit.ly/cXwlf | 08:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r9f9c1ab / (2 files in 2 dirs): moved package to correct place - http://bit.ly/uMAwT | 08:04 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning. | 15:02 |
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| SynQ | you webgui programmers are wonderful people! | 15:51 |
| SDuensin | Why yes they are! I said as much on the iTunes store this morning! | 16:03 |
| SynQ | hehe | 16:07 |
| SynQ | what does webgui do when I issue ./wreservice.pl --start modperl ? | 16:07 |
| SDuensin | Starts one of the Apache servers. (The one with mod_perl configured.) | 16:08 |
| SynQ | but it also executes some code? | 16:09 |
| SDuensin | A lot of code. :-) mod_perl hosts WebGUI. | 16:09 |
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| SynQ | hmm | 16:31 |
| SynQ | ok | 16:31 |
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| SynQ | webgui should refuse to start on a case insensitive filesystem | 17:20 |
| SynQ | that would have saved me and Joeri about 4 hours | 17:20 |
| @Haarg | everyone at pb develops on a case insensitive filesystem | 17:21 |
| +BartJol | ah, maybe koen has you to blame then | 17:21 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 17:24 |
| +BartJol | morning | 17:24 |
| SquOnk | I'm getting a lot of | 17:24 |
| SquOnk | WebGUI::Asset::new[1687] - Asset constructor new() requires an assetId. | 17:24 |
| SquOnk | Where should I start looking? | 17:24 |
| +BartJol | is that the whole of the error? | 17:25 |
| SquOnk | Yep | 17:25 |
| +BartJol | mmm | 17:25 |
| SquOnk | Lot's of 'em | 17:25 |
| SquOnk | Lots | 17:25 |
| +BartJol | yeah, I've seen them | 17:25 |
| SquOnk | Another one I'm getting (unrelated) is | 17:26 |
| SquOnk | FATAL - intranet.conf - WebGUI::SQL::ResultSet::execute[137] - Couldn't execute prepared statement: update asset set state='published', stateChangedBy='oRmyGjtz9sCHTaZnUXsCgQ', stateChanged=1256149713 where assetId in () : With place holders: . Root cause: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ')' at line 1 | 17:26 |
| SquOnk | Note the empty "in ()" | 17:26 |
| +BartJol | I just drop them into my /plain/black/hole dir (kinda a /dev/null, but more brutal) | 17:26 |
| SquOnk | RFE week is over, isn't it? | 17:27 |
| @Haarg | what version SquOnk? | 17:27 |
| +BartJol | last week | 17:27 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: 7.6.35.2 | 17:27 |
| SquOnk | I forgot to suggest the addition of explicit proxy settings in the config file, for when the server is behind a proxy/firewall and one needs to use SynContent or HTTP-Proxy assets | 17:27 |
| +BartJol | mmm, I had it once that I got errors from spectre, because it tried to connect to 1 on another server (same sitename) | 17:29 |
| +BartJol | but it still calls assets without id's in both | 17:30 |
| @Haarg | SquOnk, your second problem may be a broken lineage | 17:35 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: Ah, that would be easier to fix with rebuildLineage | 17:35 |
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| SynQ | Haarg: if there are guids that are starting with 7g and guids that are starting with 7G they will be merged into one directory? Right? | 17:48 |
| SynQ | in /uploads? | 17:48 |
| @Haarg | not intentionally. although that will happen for case insensitive file systems. | 17:48 |
| @Haarg | also, not in newer versions of webgui | 17:49 |
| SDuensin | Ooo - that sounds like it could be a Bad Thing(tm). | 17:49 |
| @Haarg | all new storage locations are created using a hex representation of the guid now. | 17:49 |
| SynQ | ah | 17:49 |
| SynQ | and that is exactly what bit me :P | 17:50 |
| SynQ | since joeri did an upgrade of a site on his mac | 17:50 |
| SynQ | then sent me the uploads and .sql db | 17:50 |
| SynQ | the .sql he started with came from a linux system (that has a case sensitive filesystem) | 17:50 |
| SynQ | but the storage location in 7.7.22 is not hex yet? | 17:51 |
| SynQ | is there a way to 'move' to hex based storage? | 17:51 |
| SynQ | or is that an api breach? | 17:51 |
| @Haarg | the change to hex ids happened in 7.6 iirc | 17:52 |
| @Haarg | i wrote a script to convert them at one point and it may be in the bazaar | 17:52 |
| @Haarg | but if it is it may also be incomplete | 17:53 |
| SynQ | but the change to hex is not part of an upgrade cycle? | 17:53 |
| @Haarg | it doesn't move the files, no. | 17:54 |
| SynQ | can that be done? | 17:54 |
| SynQ | shouldn't that be done? | 17:54 |
| @Haarg | it can be a very very very slow process | 17:54 |
| @Haarg | and the code detects if the base64 vs hex directory exists and uses the currently existing one | 17:55 |
| SynQ | ah | 17:55 |
| SynQ | but it fails to detect the dir since that dir was created in capitals on a case insensitive filesystem | 17:55 |
| SynQ | and then it returns the hex value | 17:56 |
| SynQ | for example: | 17:56 |
| @Haarg | yes | 17:56 |
| SynQ | ASSETID: zbcGYBs-aur0YE0fK_qOQg | 17:56 |
| SynQ | STORAGE: 7g7rFWGlDTCtrk1X7dQ4kw | 17:56 |
| SynQ | FILENAME: x.gif | 17:56 |
| SynQ | gives URL: /uploads/ee/0e/ee0eeb1561a50d30adae4d57edd43893/x.gif | 17:56 |
| @Haarg | directories in the old form aren't portable | 17:56 |
| SynQ | since in /uploads it is called 7G/7r/7g7rFWGlDTCtrk1X7dQ4kw/x.gif | 17:57 |
| SynQ | indeed so | 17:57 |
| @Haarg | http://www.webgui.org/bazaar/convert-from-base64-to-hexad-decimal-storage-locations | 17:57 |
| @Haarg | you can't use that script directly, but it's a good starting point | 17:57 |
| SynQ | ah | 17:58 |
| SynQ | I'll point Joeri to that script :) | 17:58 |
| SynQ | thank you very much | 17:58 |
| @Haarg | probably just changing 'system("git mv $p/$file $path/$file");' to use mv instead of git mv would do it | 17:58 |
| SynQ | I hope so, I hope my mileage will be very good :) | 17:59 |
| SDuensin | Has anyone ever written a script that validates what is in the database against what is actually in the /uploads folder? | 17:59 |
| SynQ | I don't know | 18:00 |
| @Haarg | there isn't a reliable way to do that as there isn't a central way storage locations are tracked in the database | 18:00 |
| SynQ | but that would be a very nice tool to have | 18:00 |
| SynQ | a tool that at least shows 'some' discripancies between db and actual storage | 18:00 |
| @Haarg | you could get all the default stuff relatively easy, but custom code would be problematic | 18:00 |
| SynQ | or a tool that shows what storage locations should exist and which of those actually do | 18:01 |
| SDuensin | That's one of the many things I've wanted to write for my server. | 18:01 |
| @Haarg | the default /uploads/ has some inconsistencies with the default sql. | 18:01 |
| SDuensin | Another is database-based configuration data that would then build *known current/good* config files for all the sites. | 18:02 |
| SDuensin | Haarg: That's default bad. | 18:02 |
| @Haarg | i haven't gotten around to fixing it yet because it doesn't actually cause any problems. | 18:02 |
| SynQ | it's just 'surplus storage' ? | 18:04 |
| SDuensin | Yea, but it's sloppy. Same reason all the various states of config files bug me. | 18:04 |
| SynQ | sloppy is no problem for me | 18:05 |
| SynQ | as long as it's not broken :) | 18:05 |
| @Haarg | yes SynQ. i'll probably end up writing a script to detect that stuff. i'll post it to the bazaar or something like that if i do. | 18:05 |
| SynQ | if sloppy would have been a problem I probably wouldn't have many employees left ;) | 18:05 |
| SynQ | Haarg: you are a dear | 18:05 |
| SDuensin | Yea, but when something DOES break, you have to sift through all that. | 18:06 |
| SDuensin | Speaking of slop, I'm amazed the box I'm looking at even booted. :-) | 18:08 |
| +BartJol | Haarg: I added 2 subs for the upgrade script for the language modules | 18:18 |
| +BartJol | how do you wanna have those subs | 18:18 |
| +BartJol | since that is kinda version specific\ | 18:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, we have answers! | 18:20 |
| +BartJol | morning | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | did you get my email? | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Hey, BartJol | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to delete those old tax tables | 18:21 |
| +BartJol | I also created an upgrade script sub (better said, two subs) | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | they are very out of date | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | for the International work? awesome | 18:21 |
| +BartJol | yeah, how can I best add them to my repo? | 18:21 |
| +BartJol | clean file with only the subs? | 18:21 |
| +BartJol | and dependancies? | 18:22 |
| +BartJol | yeah, it seems I'm finally dobne | 18:22 |
| +perlDreamer | for an upgrade script, it's best to develop against the WebGUI git repo | 18:22 |
| +perlDreamer | so, make a copy of the WebGUI repo | 18:22 |
| +perlDreamer | merge in your branch | 18:22 |
| +BartJol | but prolly people will complain that something is a bug, but is by design | 18:22 |
| +perlDreamer | and then ask Haarg how to generate a patch | 18:22 |
| +BartJol | ah | 18:22 |
| +perlDreamer | (sorry Haarg, I only know how to generate diffs against 1 revision, not a branch) | 18:23 |
| +BartJol | ok, but I need a version for that right? | 18:24 |
| +BartJol | so that will be 7.8.3? | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 18:24 |
| +BartJol | cool | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | has your RFE been approved? | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | if so, then let's merge it in tomorrow | 18:24 |
| +BartJol | long time ago | 18:24 |
| +BartJol | ok | 18:24 |
| +BartJol | finally, but I have pod, tests, default template, i18n'd help | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | wow | 18:25 |
| +BartJol | upgrade script | 18:25 |
| +BartJol | I feel like I'm really done | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | how is the house? | 18:26 |
| +BartJol | except for 1 minor detail, but there's discussion about that | 18:26 |
| +BartJol | fine | 18:26 |
| +BartJol | but I haven't done much since thursday | 18:26 |
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| +BartJol | hey, it's bugreporterDeLuxe | 18:26 |
| elnino_ | would it be possible for me to be able to post to the template working group forum? | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | is it restricted? | 18:27 |
| elnino_ | It appears to be, either that it doesn't work in FF3.. Just a sec | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | Hm. If you have general questions, I know they follow the design forum very closely. | 18:28 |
| elnino_ | I can subscribe to it. but not post. IE is still loading. | 18:28 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: so we have a date for tomorrow afternoon? | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol, yes. about 24 hours from now? | 18:28 |
| +BartJol | afternoon for me that is | 18:28 |
| +BartJol | sure, I'll just make sure I have some food with me | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | we could do a little earlier if that would help | 18:29 |
| elnino_ | I can't post in IE either. | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | hm. It must be restricted. | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Are you wanting to join the group? | 18:29 |
| +BartJol | doesn't really matter | 18:29 |
| +BartJol | I believe it is indeed restricted | 18:30 |
| +BartJol | but gotta go, till tomorrow | 18:30 |
| elnino_ | they are wondering how many people use the "Make page printable" and it seems to tme that they are looking for responses, but aren't getting any because people cant. | 18:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's not good | 18:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think they can deprecate it without JT's approval | 18:31 |
| elnino_ | I'd like to join. yes. I actually met with this group two wucs ago, as I was going to be involved, butI think I fell thru the cracks. | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | try sending rogier a private message using WebGUI's system | 18:31 |
| elnino_ | Lost track of their group. | 18:31 |
| elnino_ | k | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe they should set up a poll or survey for people to take | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | w.r.t deprecating stuff, it all has to go through the RFE system | 18:32 |
| elnino_ | That's what I was thinking too | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | and that would be a big change | 18:32 |
| elnino_ | yes | 18:32 |
| elnino_ | they are talking about getting rid of it. but it's part of the how the core works, isnt it? | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a Wobject property | 18:33 |
| elnino_ | that's what I thought. | 18:33 |
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| elnino_ | http://www.webgui.org/forums/wgtwg/print-stylesheet | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like knowmad was suggesting its removal, but rogier came back and said they should just not prioritize it or spend lots of time on it | 18:34 |
| * elnino_ steps away for awhile | 18:38 | |
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| +perlDreamer | hey, what happened? | 19:10 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re6bb148 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix bad index variables in the CS. Fixes bug #11172. - http://bit.ly/1mB37E | 19:12 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9a17cfe / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix bad index variables in the CS. Fixes bug #11172. - http://bit.ly/3LT3fo | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, you feeling well? | 19:16 |
| @tavisto | yep, how's it going? | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Good. I was just noticing that there haven't been any shop/matrix bugs in a while | 19:16 |
| elnino_ | I can create some if you'd like. j/k | 19:17 |
| @tavisto | heh, well unfortunately that could be misleading because I haven't had time to do any of that | 19:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, when backporting to 7.7, sometimes git picks the wrong file to merge with, since it is guessing | 20:14 |
| +perlDreamer | How do I tell git to drop it's changes from that file? | 20:14 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r46d4fd8 / (5 files in 4 dirs): fix: Fixed a bug where www_selectPaymentGateway was not templated (#11161) - http://bit.ly/3tI7Zj | 20:23 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Martin Kamerbeek webgui-7.7 * r06e31c9 / www/extras/VendorPayout/vendorPayout.js : Testing... (Vendor payouts fix) - http://bit.ly/rPPlv | 20:32 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Martin Kamerbeek webgui-7.7 * rabad867 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Made th evendor payouts manager more intuitive and easy to use. - http://bit.ly/1ZoGEx | 20:32 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Martin Kamerbeek webgui-7.7 * r102fab3 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Adding changelog entry for previous commit ( fixes #11154: vendor payouts screen borked ) - http://bit.ly/3cl8re | 20:32 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Martin Kamerbeek webgui-7.7 * r5f2f5e4 / lib/WebGUI/Shop/Vendor.pm : Forgot to change some script tags back to using the minified version of the yui. - http://bit.ly/3H05yi | 20:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | Running tests using both processors. | 20:53 |
| +perlDreamer | My laptop is brought to a crawl | 20:53 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: 7.7.23 comes out tomorrow, right? | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | tonight | 20:57 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Was the CS encoding bug fixed? | 20:58 |
| SquOnk | ('cause I don't see it mentioned in the changelog) | 20:58 |
| +perlDreamer | is it still on the bug board? | 20:59 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Let me see | 20:59 |
| @Haarg | you mean the syndicated content encoding bug? | 20:59 |
| @Haarg | that hasn't been fixed yet | 20:59 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Yes, 11155 | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, you juked me by saying CS when you meant SC | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | it's still pending | 21:02 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Sorry. I thought about it in spanish <g> | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | kp | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | which is "no sweat" in German | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | initialized | 21:04 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r82e87d4 / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Map.pm : Add missing i18n for Map Asset. - http://bit.ly/2JCiKf | 21:11 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * red7babf / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Map.pm : Add missing i18n for Map Asset. - http://bit.ly/17kL50 | 21:11 |
| * SDuensin kicks himself for missing RFE day. He's got karma burning a hole in his pocket! | 21:12 | |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, RFE day is _a_ day set aside to get RFEs implemented | 21:13 |
| +perlDreamer | you can spend your karma anytime | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to commit an RFE tomorrow, as a matter of fact | 21:14 |
| SDuensin | Yea, I know. But why spend it if I end up having to do it myself? :-P | 21:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, if you do it yourself, it often gets done more quickly | 21:14 |
| SDuensin | (I'm referring to the variable-subscription pay driver thingie.) | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | If it was me, I'd still put my karma on it now | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | moving it higher in the list is good for visibility | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | also, due to the testing requirements, the odds of getting that done in a single day are iffy at best | 21:16 |
| SDuensin | Yea, I have no testing requirements. :-P | 21:16 |
| * perlDreamer heads home to get some lunch | 21:16 | |
| * SDuensin is going to kick CPAN in the head. Quit telling me I need a new CPAN and then refusing to install it! | 21:17 | |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, i remembered another case to test for with character encoding | 21:20 |
| @Haarg | up to 19 test cases, 10 of which fail | 21:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, at least we'll have tests from here on out | 22:21 |
| @Haarg | maybe | 22:21 |
| +perlDreamer | on my CentOS VM with the WRE, the critic_labels test takes so long that the msyql server times out | 22:21 |
| @Haarg | i still haven't figured out if the tests are faulty or not | 22:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't understand the encoding issues as well as you do, but I'd be happy to take a look at tests and stuff it if would help. | 22:23 |
| @Haarg | i really wish i still had the example from the last time i worked on these issues | 22:25 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not stuck in some side repo, directory or machine somewhere? | 22:31 |
| @Haarg | nope | 22:35 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8d45d94 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.8.2-7.8.3.pl : Use the API for adding settings. - http://bit.ly/3Kcf7W | 22:48 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r7b9c04e / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Have getIsa throw exceptions, instead of croaking. - http://bit.ly/2R9xPH | 22:48 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * redcbd95 / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Have getIsa throw exceptions, instead of croaking. - http://bit.ly/1HCnU5 | 22:48 |
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| * perlDreamer steps out to get the kids | 23:05 | |
| +perlDreamer | be back in 25 | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | it was a long 25 | 23:41 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6973535 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix JS i18n issues with IE7 and the datepicker. Fixes bug #11165 - http://bit.ly/3l8hXM | 00:11 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r3436305 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix JS i18n issues with IE7 and the datepicker. Fixes bug #11165 - http://bit.ly/3Gra9C | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | bug-- | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: which designer should I assign the Map Point icon to? | 00:14 |
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| @preaction | i don't know | 00:21 |
| @preaction | assign it to me, i'll make it | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I was thinking of just putting a red arrow in the Map icon | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | but it won't be purty | 00:23 |
| @preaction | i was thinking of using the google map point icon thing that is on the map itself | 00:23 |
| @preaction | and then, yeah, transposing that over our current map icon | 00:23 |
| @preaction | which i already don't like | 00:24 |
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| Mech422 | hi all :-) I'm mucking about with an account plugin - created a new module in the same dir as the skeleton. But how do I tell webgui to load/use it ? | 00:35 |
| @preaction | Mech422: the "account" key in the config file | 00:36 |
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| Mech422 | ahh.. found it :-) I was snooping around the wre dirs :-P Thanks :-) | 00:48 |
| Mech422 | btw - I just downloaded google chrome to see whats new - its fast becoming my fav. browser :-) | 00:51 |
| Mech422 | needs a firebug type plugin - but otherwise its really nice :-) | 00:51 |
| @preaction | safari's developer tools are far better than firebug, you should try those | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | they probably don't work in chrome, either | 00:54 |
| * perlDreamer is gone until this evening, working offline on the great tree nav bug of 2009 | 00:54 | |
| +perlDreamer | release should start at 8:30pm PDT | 00:54 |
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| Mech422 | heh - never got into safari - tried opera and liked that ok | 01:01 |
| Mech422 | Are the dev. tools on safari windows too ? or just mac ? | 01:01 |
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| wgGuest45 | hey people | 01:26 |
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| wgGuest45 | is there a document management system for webgui? | 01:28 |
| @preaction | depends on what you mean by a document management system | 01:29 |
| @preaction | there's the Folder asset, and the File asset does version control and access control | 01:29 |
| @preaction | and you can put Files inside of Folders | 01:29 |
| @preaction | but as of right now there's no working WebDAV implementation to mount a WebGUI site to your filesystem (it's being worked on) | 01:30 |
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| wgGuest40 | woops | 01:31 |
| wgGuest40 | well i am looking to see if webgui can support doc management for users. for instance if i setup a structure for them to store pdf / word files in | 01:31 |
| @preaction | yes, you could create a bunch of folders and let them add files to them | 01:31 |
| wgGuest40 | ok cool ill try it out | 01:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | hey, folks! | 05:20 |
| +perlDreamer | if there are no objections from preaction or patspam, I'll start the release | 05:20 |
| * patspam is buried in a cardboard box somewhere at his parents' house | 05:41 | |
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| +perlDreamer | pack on, patspam | 05:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | the other nice thing about memcached is that upgrades will go a lot faster | 06:12 |
| mducharme | looks like one of my webgui sites is going to migrate off of webgui onto something else | 06:45 |
| mducharme | I need to talk to them about it | 06:46 |
| +perlDreamer | what's the "something else"? | 06:50 |
| @preaction | whatever it is, i'll destroy it before they migrate. MARK MY WORDS PITIFUL HUMAN! | 06:51 |
| * perlDreamer is very down this week | 06:51 | |
| @preaction | down for trashing bozos? | 06:51 |
| +perlDreamer | the Pres picked Drupal over perl | 06:51 |
| @preaction | yeah, that was pretty lame | 06:51 |
| @preaction | i mean, i would've preferred ANYTHING but Drupal | 06:52 |
| @preaction | imagine the hardware they have to use to back a high-traffic site like whitehouse.gov? | 06:52 |
| @preaction | probably twice as much as the same webgui install | 06:52 |
| +perlDreamer | is Drupal really that slow? | 06:53 |
| @preaction | PHP isn't fast | 06:53 |
| @preaction | i mean, there's Zend Accelerator, there's other things one can do | 06:53 |
| @preaction | but then i've never done independant studies about it, so i can't say one way or the otre | 06:53 |
| mducharme | no idea what something else is perldreamer | 06:57 |
| mducharme | some adobe thing | 06:57 |
| +perlDreamer | good luck, mducharme | 06:57 |
| +perlDreamer | feel free to drop my name if it helps | 06:58 |
| mducharme | they don't even know what it is, just that it's made by adobe | 06:58 |
| mducharme | and it's not dreamweaver | 06:58 |
| @preaction | coldfusion? they have that now | 06:58 |
| mducharme | it could be coldfusion or contribute or indesign server | 06:58 |
| mducharme | I have no idea | 06:58 |
| mducharme | it's probably for the wrong reasons... | 07:02 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r16e482f / t/Mail/Send.t : Remove diags, and fix counts for mail tests. - http://bit.ly/467WYm | 07:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I hate git | 07:21 |
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| SquOnk | Good morning (VET) everyone. | 13:55 |
| +BartJol | you're early | 14:04 |
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| +BartJol | mmm, I do believe the Net::SMTP::Server module really isn't present | 14:13 |
| +BartJol | buit only the test looks for it | 14:14 |
| +BartJol | WebGUI::Test to be specific | 14:22 |
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| daviddelikat | are tests guarenteed to run with english translation? | 15:59 |
| +BartJol | daviddelikat: what do you mean? | 16:02 |
| +BartJol | English is the only default installe lnaguage | 16:02 |
| +BartJol | so if you test for output, you should check for english | 16:02 |
| daviddelikat | I supose that answers the questyion | 16:02 |
| +BartJol | I did that with my macro | 16:03 |
| daviddelikat | but there is still the promblem of test code that is tied to a translation | 16:03 |
| +BartJol | which is a test for a internationalisation feature | 16:03 |
| +BartJol | prolly it breaks when you install an extra language | 16:03 |
| +BartJol | there is PigLatin as a test module | 16:03 |
| daviddelikat | if I'm testing code that returns translated text I need to run it through the translator or it will break when somewone decides to change the translated text | 16:04 |
| daviddelikat | for instance if someone gets tired of 'Pending' for a status | 16:04 |
| SDuensin | Morning! | 16:05 |
| daviddelikat | that would break any test that depends on that as the output | 16:05 |
| daviddelikat | mornin SD | 16:05 |
| +BartJol | well, yes | 16:05 |
| +BartJol | but you can make a i18n object and get that message | 16:05 |
| daviddelikat | yep, I realized trhat for my test to be correct I had to do that no matter what translation is used | 16:06 |
| +BartJol | yeah, but it can break when another language is gotten | 16:06 |
| daviddelikat | not if it calls the i18n object for the text | 16:06 |
| +BartJol | but with getLanguage you can also define the language if I remember correct | 16:06 |
| daviddelikat | I'm just testing for $i18n->get('pending') rather than 'Pending' | 16:07 |
| +BartJol | sub get { | 16:08 |
| +BartJol | my ($self, $id, $namespace, $language) = @_; | 16:08 |
| +BartJol | well it depends on how that is called | 16:09 |
| +BartJol | in i18n | 16:09 |
| +BartJol | it does need the namespace, if it is not in the namespace webgui | 16:09 |
| daviddelikat | I'm not using a macro | 16:10 |
| daviddelikat | the i18n object gets the namespace when it is created | 16:10 |
| +BartJol | well, that's ok | 16:10 |
| +BartJol | I just tell you the possibilties :) | 16:10 |
| daviddelikat | thanks for the input, it makes me think about it in differnet ways... | 16:11 |
| +BartJol | very good | 16:12 |
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| +BartJol | morning tavisto when are you coming over? | 16:28 |
| +BartJol | during fosdem? | 16:28 |
| @tavisto | I'm there now, at the pub with Martin | 16:29 |
| +BartJol | haha, I see trhough your lies, Martin is just a couple of meters away from me | 16:30 |
| +BartJol | and there is no pub | 16:30 |
| SDuensin | NO PUB?! | 16:30 |
| * SDuensin just had his hopes shattered. | 16:30 | |
| +BartJol | not in the office, no | 16:30 |
| +BartJol | we will be in some hours though | 16:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, folks | 16:59 |
| @Haarg | morning | 16:59 |
| daviddelikat | mornin | 16:59 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I had another git hiccup last night | 17:00 |
| +perlDreamer | does all look well in the 7.7 branch? | 17:00 |
| daviddelikat | whats a git hiccup? | 17:00 |
| +perlDreamer | man git-hiccup ;) | 17:01 |
| +perlDreamer | git hiccup is when I do something funky | 17:01 |
| @tavisto | BartJol, I am disappointed that you are not in the pub | 17:01 |
| @Haarg | the tag looks wrong | 17:01 |
| daviddelikat | whats the main js script to access tinymce in WG? | 17:02 |
| dionak | is there a place to find passive analytics documentation besides the code, preferably online? | 17:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: wrong name, or wrong place | 17:03 |
| @Haarg | wrong place | 17:03 |
| +perlDreamer | it's on the commit that says "Preparing for release..." | 17:04 |
| +perlDreamer | dionak: no, unfortunately | 17:04 |
| @Haarg | http://haarg.org/wrong.tag.png | 17:05 |
| dionak | hm, that makes it a little difficult to use. | 17:05 |
| dionak | thanks perlDreamer | 17:05 |
| +perlDreamer | dionak, I'd be happy to try and answer questions that you have about it | 17:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, that's from gitk? | 17:06 |
| @Haarg | yes | 17:06 |
| +perlDreamer | have you done a pull today? | 17:07 |
| @Haarg | yes | 17:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I didn't push the final tag correction | 17:07 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie refs/tags/v7.7.23 * r2370a49 / t/Mail/Send.t : Remove diags, and fix counts for mail tests. - http://bit.ly/3d7OPL | 17:07 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie refs/tags/v7.7.23 * r729ba42 / lib/WebGUI/Macro/DeactivateAccount.pm : Fix incorrect POD. - http://bit.ly/4tNMLG | 17:07 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie refs/tags/v7.7.23 * r851e3eb / (6 files): Test maintenance on Macro tests. - http://bit.ly/4Cb6h1 | 17:07 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie refs/tags/v7.7.23 * r72b825d / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.7.23 release. - http://bit.ly/2zr9zf | 17:07 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2c3904a / lib/WebGUI/Macro/DeactivateAccount.pm : Fix incorrect POD. - http://bit.ly/y58ym | 17:09 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc22c5ef / (6 files): Test maintenance on Macro tests. - http://bit.ly/2x9YXL | 17:09 |
| dionak | perlDreamer, what's a bucket? | 17:16 |
| +perlDreamer | A bucket is defined as any log entry which will match a particular regular expression | 17:16 |
| +perlDreamer | it could be very coarse (broad), or fine (narrow) | 17:17 |
| dionak | is the feature intended to show asset use? | 17:18 |
| +perlDreamer | it only works on assets, not on operations or special content handlers | 17:18 |
| +perlDreamer | so AJAX i18n calls, site maps, Operations, Shop, Account, and so on are not tracked | 17:19 |
| dionak | why was it written? | 17:19 |
| +perlDreamer | to do logfile analysis | 17:19 |
| +perlDreamer | and to allow the analysis to be customizable by users | 17:19 |
| dionak | i'm still not sure how i'd use it. is there a use-case you can think of? | 17:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I have a very specific one in mind | 17:21 |
| +perlDreamer | Suppose you have a University website, where professors are doing a research project | 17:21 |
| +perlDreamer | they want to find out which parts of their project site the subjects spend the most time | 17:21 |
| +perlDreamer | so they set up a series of buckets to isolate their part of the website, and then run the analysis | 17:21 |
| daviddelikat | whats the main js script to access tinymce in WG? | 17:22 |
| dionak | ok, that helps. thanks. | 17:22 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, checkout Asset/RichEdit.pm and Form/HtmlArea | 17:22 |
| daviddelikat | thanks | 17:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | dionak, there's one other Passive Analytics feature which might need explaining, and that's the timeout | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | the log analyzer searches for consecutive page hits to determine how long the user spent on a page | 18:05 |
| +perlDreamer | this can be a problem for the last entry in the log, or for very, very long pauses | 18:05 |
| +perlDreamer | so the timeout allows you to set a time beyond which the user is assumed to have left the page | 18:05 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * rc472e0c / (5 files in 5 dirs): add clipboard admin setting - http://bit.ly/1S7X1B | 18:11 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * rc1ce747 / (5 files in 5 dirs): added: Manage System Trash group setting - http://bit.ly/38OeT0 | 18:11 |
| dionak | ok, interesting | 18:13 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r74e4e25 / (2 files in 2 dirs): | 18:14 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Fix the More menus in the AssetManager. Fixes bug #11069. | 18:14 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Also, some jslint cleanup of the code. - http://bit.ly/4vlLmR | 18:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | howdy, BartJol | 18:24 |
| +BartJol | fine, just went to a graduation presentation | 18:25 |
| +BartJol | on fibre cables | 18:26 |
| +BartJol | but that's not why I'm here\ | 18:26 |
| +BartJol | got time? | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I do | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | we'll need a little bit of Haarg's, as well | 18:27 |
| +BartJol | well, he'll have to cope with that | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | Let us review | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | you have a git repo | 18:28 |
| +BartJol | indeed | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | with all your code in it | 18:28 |
| +BartJol | yes | 18:28 |
| +BartJol | maybe not the upgrade stuff | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | are there changes to core modules? | 18:28 |
| +BartJol | but the template is there | 18:28 |
| +BartJol | yes | 18:28 |
| +BartJol | in Scracth and International | 18:28 |
| +BartJol | scratch is only adding | 18:28 |
| +BartJol | international is a change | 18:28 |
| @Haarg | is it pushed somewhere? | 18:28 |
| +BartJol | to my repo, I getr the url | 18:29 |
| +BartJol | http://github.com/BartJol/international- | 18:29 |
| +BartJol | but i used 7.8.x because i wasn't sure on the version | 18:30 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the right version | 18:30 |
| +BartJol | x is always good | 18:30 |
| +BartJol | for the package that is | 18:31 |
| +BartJol | in docs | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | since we're committing today, it's probably okay to make x=3 | 18:31 |
| +BartJol | oh and the default conf has changed | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | does the upgrade script add that change to all WebGUI conf files in etc? | 18:32 |
| +BartJol | it should I belie ve | 18:35 |
| +BartJol | I set the version number | 18:35 |
| @Haarg | do you know what version you started from exactly? | 18:36 |
| +BartJol | I can pastebin that code | 18:36 |
| +BartJol | Haarg: unfortunetly not | 18:37 |
| +BartJol | but it seemed to work through all versions | 18:37 |
| +BartJol | right now I'm on 7.8.2 | 18:37 |
| +BartJol | for testing | 18:38 |
| +BartJol | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7f73aa0d for the upgrade subs | 18:39 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r738e898 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Remove regexp processing from AssetManager URL handling, since all it ever does is append. - http://bit.ly/2U2QnU | 18:40 |
| @Haarg | i'm heading to lunch, i'll get the thing merged when i get back | 18:40 |
| +BartJol | I just moved that subs in the 7.8.1-2 upgrade script and added the final 2 dependancies | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | upgrade code looks fine | 18:42 |
| +BartJol | it worked for me | 18:42 |
| +BartJol | only 1 site on that install though | 18:42 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: I only have 1 or 2 things that people might considered buggy | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | what are they? | 18:44 |
| +BartJol | on login or changing of profile language, the scratch language isn't deleted from the session and will still be used | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | that's okay | 18:44 |
| +BartJol | right now the stuff works as intended, but people differ from what they find convenient | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | how does one clear the scratch variable, to fallback to using the profile setting? | 18:45 |
| +BartJol | yeah, but there is an api method to remove it | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | is that exposed to the user somehow? | 18:45 |
| +BartJol | not yet | 18:45 |
| +BartJol | I can add a templ_var in the macro | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe if the user chooses the same language as their profile setting, it should clear the scratch? | 18:46 |
| +BartJol | it is just an url | 18:46 |
| +BartJol | yeah, but than you wanna use the scratch method | 18:46 |
| +BartJol | removeLanguageOverride | 18:47 |
| +BartJol | thought of that one | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | There should be a user facing way for them to clear the scratch variable | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | and go back to their profile setting | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | You can choose the way that you think is best, or you can wait for bopbop to file bugs :) | 18:49 |
| @bopbop | ooh, bugs? | 18:50 |
| @bopbop | yum | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | we're going to merge in BartJol's new internationalization code | 18:50 |
| @bopbop | ah | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | that allows users to choose languages other than their profile setting | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | and also allows international content | 18:50 |
| @bopbop | so, the user would basically have a link on a page to switch? | 18:51 |
| @bopbop | if it's in the style? | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | yes. The link is provided by a macro. | 18:51 |
| @bopbop | gotcha | 18:51 |
| @bopbop | cool | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, he's done the whole nine yards on this one | 18:51 |
| +BartJol | adding the url now | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | template, upgrade code, tests | 18:51 |
| @bopbop | where is the translated content stored? | 18:51 |
| @bopbop | it has to be on the server, right? | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | it's in parallel content trees | 18:51 |
| @bopbop | ok | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: I know you're busy with the translation stuff, if you can tell me what's needed to be done, I can do the merge. | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | s/translation/encoding/ | 18:53 |
| +BartJol | great, added a var to remove it, forgot to update my install with my code | 18:59 |
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| +BartJol | mmm now I got my deleteurl var working, but it breaks the other vars | 19:15 |
| +BartJol | last minute work... | 19:15 |
| +BartJol | hi Kathy | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol, we can also fix it after the merge, so no rush | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol, dreamersgirl is in class with her IRC on | 19:16 |
| +BartJol | yeah, but I wanna do something while I'm waiting | 19:17 |
| +BartJol | oh | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | do you think she'd get in trouble if we keep pinging her and making her client beep? | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | :) | 19:17 |
| +BartJol | bad dreamersgirl | 19:17 |
| +BartJol | dunno | 19:17 |
| dreamersgirl | no class yet, just studying | 19:17 |
| dreamersgirl | you guys are much more fun than gastric pain and motility disorders | 19:18 |
| dreamersgirl | btw--i keep my laptop on mute, so ping away! | 19:18 |
| +BartJol | but btw, it is kinda awkward if you can only set that language and there is only an obscure way, if you read the code to remove it | 19:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I think that was a complement? | 19:18 |
| dreamersgirl | i could say more... | 19:18 |
| +BartJol | but you said much more | 19:18 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol, the user won't care so much about the details, only the function. | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | that's why I thought that having it automatically clear the scratch if they choose their profile language might be good | 19:19 |
| +BartJol | yes | 19:19 |
| +BartJol | but not sure on how to do that | 19:19 |
| +BartJol | just working on that tmpl_var now | 19:19 |
| dreamersgirl | yes it was a compliment | 19:19 |
| dreamersgirl | :) | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | at least you didn't say we were better than bedpans, enemas and tapeworms | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | while true in the absolute sense, the relativity thing.... | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat: do you need any other help desk tickets closed? | 19:21 |
| daviddelikat | anything that is resolved should be good to go | 19:22 |
| daviddelikat | I have not looked at it lately | 19:22 |
| +BartJol | ah, just cleaned up all my resolved tickets last week, that gave me a better view | 19:25 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, i rewrote bart's i18n stuff into a branch in my webgui fork | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | are you going to commit it from there, or do you want me to fork your branch and merge from there? | 19:52 |
| @Haarg | you should just be able to merge it into master | 19:53 |
| @Haarg | will have to move the packages as well | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, let me see what kind of damage I can do | 19:55 |
| +BartJol | hey | 19:56 |
| +BartJol | my code was tested and thus bug-free ;) | 19:56 |
| * perlDreamer hooks up his +7 Keyboard of Repository Mangling | 19:57 | |
| +perlDreamer | after I'm through with it, there are no guarantees! | 19:57 |
| +BartJol | cool, well at least I still have my repo | 19:57 |
| dreamersgirl | perlDreamer and I have a love/hate relationship with tests | 19:57 |
| dreamersgirl | i hate them. he loves them. | 19:57 |
| +BartJol | :) | 19:58 |
| dreamersgirl | :) | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | also, I write them, and she takes them | 19:58 |
| +BartJol | he tests the food, you cook it? | 19:58 |
| dreamersgirl | oh, no. he cooks quite well. | 19:58 |
| +BartJol | ok | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | fortunately for the family, /me took some Dutch cooking lessons in September | 19:59 |
| dreamersgirl | so.......what's for dinner? i'm hungry. | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | try thinking about lunch first, dreamersgirl | 20:00 |
| dreamersgirl | There's a Thai Restaurant menu sitting right next to me. It's not helping. | 20:00 |
| +BartJol | but, seriously, apart from my enjoyable company, can I do something? | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | with me and git, this could take a while | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | i'll email you if there are hiccups | 20:02 |
| +BartJol | except watching while you demolish my carefully prepared code | 20:02 |
| +BartJol | ok, because my biological clock tells me it beer o clock | 20:02 |
| +BartJol | and I don't have internet at home yet | 20:03 |
| +BartJol | I'll try to improve that macro and look at the changing of profile language | 20:03 |
| +BartJol | as I really seem to have a mess of that | 20:06 |
| +BartJol | made a mess | 20:06 |
| +BartJol | dreamersgirl: have a nice lunch, will catch you later | 20:07 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: thanks for the merging! | 20:07 |
| dreamersgirl | later! | 20:07 |
| dreamersgirl | perlDreamer, i'm off to lunch. enjoy the rest of your day! | 20:08 |
| +BartJol | ah, forgot my pending upgrade | 20:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | bopbop++ for closing bugs | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | are you feeling okay? | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | normally you make them... | 20:09 |
| @bopbop | yup, feeling fine | 20:10 |
| +BartJol | make or discover? | 20:10 |
| @bopbop | thought I'd try the other side... and I actually didn't fix it, JT did | 20:10 |
| @bopbop | I was just the go-between | 20:10 |
| @bopbop | devs MAKE bugs | 20:11 |
| * BartJol thought perlDreamer made the bugs, other bopbop and elnino discover them, and perlDreamer fixes them again, keeping a nice amount of work | 20:11 | |
| +perlDreamer | ssshhhh! | 20:11 |
| +BartJol | oops | 20:11 |
| +BartJol | sorry, but it is a nice business startegy | 20:11 |
| +BartJol | ok, I'll be gone,, me is | 20:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think I did it | 20:26 |
| * perlDreamer bows to sensei Haarg | 20:26 | |
| daviddelikat | http://pastie.org/673716 can anybody see a problem with this code? it is not behaving... | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | what does a submissionId look like? | 20:51 |
| daviddelikat | integer | 20:52 |
| daviddelikat | it starts a 0 | 20:52 |
| daviddelikat | I call the function a couple times and it increments | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | but it never gets incremented? | 20:52 |
| daviddelikat | but then I call it from another object and it doesn't increment | 20:52 |
| daviddelikat | and I'm still getting the print output | 20:52 |
| daviddelikat | its like the update doesn't run if theres anything else going on | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | the subroutine doesn't return the incremented submissionId | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | but the update looks fine | 20:54 |
| daviddelikat | is it likely to matter which one it returns? | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know, it's just something that I noticed | 20:55 |
| daviddelikat | I intended it to work that way, but to the outside it makes no diff | 20:56 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 20:56 |
| +perlDreamer | what kind of object are we dealing with here? | 20:56 |
| daviddelikat | I'm not sure what you need for an answer | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | earlier you said "then I call it from another object and it doesn't increment" | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | it's an Asset? | 20:58 |
| +perlDreamer | what's the class? | 20:58 |
| daviddelikat | yes | 20:58 |
| +perlDreamer | is the other object also an object of the same class? | 20:58 |
| daviddelikat | its in EventManagementSystem | 20:58 |
| daviddelikat | the other object is a child of the ems | 20:58 |
| daviddelikat | so it calls it like this: $self->getParent->getNext... | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | but it doesn't update the parent in that caes | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | case | 21:00 |
| daviddelikat | yes | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | but you do get debug output | 21:00 |
| daviddelikat | yes | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | how do you tell that it doesn't increment the submissionId in that case? | 21:01 |
| daviddelikat | the database isn't changed(mysql) also the log repeats the same number | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | is this in a test, or live on a site? | 21:03 |
| daviddelikat | test | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | do you have multiple variables all pointing to the same asset? | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | the way you have it setup is a little bit dangerous | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | since the asset asks itself what the current value is | 21:04 |
| daviddelikat | not local variales | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | it should always do a read/modify/write in the database | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | so now imagine that you have an array of children for the EMS | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | each calls getParent | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | so each child gets a copy of the asset with the same sequenceId | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | then, each child calls getNextSequenceId | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | the child talks to its local copy of the parent | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | each local copy has the same current sequenceId | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | so it increments it by 1 | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | the next child does the same, but it's copy of the parent doesn't know that the db was updated | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | so it sets it to the same value, again | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | and so on for each chid | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | does that sound like what is happening? | 21:07 |
| daviddelikat | wow they each get a copy of the parent? did not know that | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | and it's an individual copy of the parent | 21:07 |
| daviddelikat | yes that is exactly what is happenning | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | totally ignorant of the other ones | 21:07 |
| daviddelikat | so how do I do it directly to the database? | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | instead of doing $self->get('nextSequenceId') | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | look it up in the db | 21:08 |
| daviddelikat | so like $self->db->read('select ...' ); | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | $self->session->db->read, but yes | 21:09 |
| daviddelikat | ok thanks | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | my turn for lunch :) | 21:10 |
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| @preaction | where does the csrf token get generated? i'm not seeing it in WebGUI::Form::formHeader, WebGUI::Form::CsrfToken, or the place where it's checked | 21:38 |
| @preaction | ah, i see now. in WebGUI::Session::Var, so it's tied to a session | 21:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: is everything okay? | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | bbiab | 22:16 |
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| @preaction | if you were building a form, would you ever want a fieldset to contain a set of tabs? | 23:00 |
| daviddelikat | how about putting fields on the form that are outside the tabset? | 23:07 |
| @preaction | that's already going to be possible | 23:08 |
| @preaction | i'm just wondering about recursion, and i'm leaning towards it | 23:09 |
| @preaction | a form, contains a set of tabs, contains fieldsets that also contain tabs that contain fieldsets | 23:09 |
| daviddelikat | then you could have a tab with a tabset on it | 23:10 |
| @preaction | or two fieldsets each with their own tabset | 23:10 |
| @preaction | we're talking be-all, end-all of form building tools here | 23:11 |
| daviddelikat | sounds good | 23:11 |
| @preaction | aka "I don't want to have to ever write this again" | 23:11 |
| @preaction | or my 10-year goal (i try to develop any API to last 10 years) | 23:12 |
| daviddelikat | I'm sure your grandkids will re-write it | 23:12 |
| @preaction | so even if it's not easy to do, it should be possible | 23:12 |
| @preaction | if i'm a grandparent in 10 years, there's something very right with the world | 23:12 |
| daviddelikat | but will they be writing code yet? | 23:13 |
| @preaction | i expect they'll be fixing my code by 4 years old | 23:14 |
| daviddelikat | I'm hoping the next generation will just ignore what we did and build it all over from scratch | 23:15 |
| daviddelikat | in about 40 lines of code | 23:15 |
| @preaction | well, i can't rebuild the form fields, but I'm planning for it | 23:17 |
| @preaction | I have to rewrite how they output HTML though | 23:17 |
| @preaction | if you want to help me with some feedback, i can send you what I have so far. it's only a summary of the method calls involved though | 23:18 |
| daviddelikat | I'd like to look at it, | 23:18 |
| daviddelikat | but I won't have time for a day or so | 23:18 |
| @preaction | if i don't have it ready for public consumption by then, i'll give you a preliminary PDF or something | 23:20 |
| daviddelikat | cool | 23:22 |
| * perlDreamer votes for not tabs inside fieldsets | 23:37 | |
| +perlDreamer | because deeply nested tabs are not user friendly | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | also because I'm old and a fuddy-duddy | 23:38 |
| @preaction | too deeply, i agree. but it should be possible for at least one level | 23:38 |
| @preaction | i can see where fieldsets with tabs is friendly, but not fieldsets with tabs with fieldsets with tabs | 23:39 |
| @preaction | the problem with power is allowing programmers to shoot themselves in the foot | 23:39 |
| daviddelikat | thatsw ok as long as we can sit at our keyb oard we are fine | 23:39 |
| daviddelikat | who needs feet any way | 23:40 |
| daviddelikat | anybody know if there is an event that is triggered when the URL Hash changes? | 23:41 |
| daviddelikat | ( a javascript event ) | 23:42 |
| @preaction | i don't think so, i think you have to watch the a clicks | 23:42 |
| @preaction | might want to look at YUI's history manager, perhaps they have a way | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, did you read satyam's response to my YUI forum posting? | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I took the short, cheap fix for now | 23:43 |
| @preaction | yeah, but now i don't remember what it said | 23:43 |
| @preaction | and short, cheap fixes are just fine w/ me | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | but I think we should consider the rewrite later | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | because with 99 fewer menus, it'll be much faster | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | and take less memory | 23:43 |
| @preaction | sounds good for the v8 admin console | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | pDC may take it on for 7.9, but we'll see | 23:44 |
| @preaction | k | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | it'd be great JS project for me to do some learning | 23:44 |
| @preaction | also, i think you now officially must remove the "does not know javascript" from your resume | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | do you think "unwillingly writes painfully buggy but semi-functional javascript" acurately describe me now? | 23:45 |
| @preaction | i'd say debugging that problem in its entirety was pretty impressive | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | how about "can debug some javascript with the help of community experts" instead? | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | seriously now. Thanks preaction | 23:48 |
| @preaction | don't sell yourself short here, you did more than i could (i got frustrated and stopped doing anything) | 23:48 |
| @preaction | i mean, neither of us knew of that weird context thing | 23:48 |
| @preaction | (which must be new, because it's horrible) | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | the 2.6 code works fine | 23:49 |
| --- Day changed Thu Oct 29 2009 | ||
| +perlDreamer | preaction, Haarg: re this bug http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11176 | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | is it better to add a gotcha notice, or should we try and make the upgrade work? | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | by putting template_attachments in earlier | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | or moving the other code later | 00:07 |
| @Haarg | fix | 00:07 |
| @Haarg | ideally we only want one stop version per minor release | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I didn't even think to check that fixing the template attachments purge would break anything | 00:10 |
| +perlDreamer | but I'll fix it, and then check the 7.8 upgrade as well | 00:10 |
| +perlDreamer | even if I fix it, 7.7.23 will still be odd-man out, though | 00:11 |
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| @preaction | heh, uh... what was that bug again? | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | template attachments were not getting purged | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | so I added that code to 7.7.23 | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | but when earlier upgrades run, the table doesn't exist yet | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | so they fail if a template is purged | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I moved adding template attachments back to the beginning of the shunt to fix that | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | but now I'm coming across other problems with the template attachment rekeying | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, we need a new piece of upgrade policy | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | in addition to running the test suite, we need people to run the most recent upgrade segment to make sure it didn't break anything | 00:41 |
| @preaction | we can make a policy on it, but nobody will do it | 00:44 |
| @preaction | they don't even want to write tests, much less wait 3 minutes while they run | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | then we need to be sure that the release manager does it as a final check | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | and, they need to do it early enough in the day that they can spend 2-4 hours fixing problems | 00:44 |
| * perlDreamer heads out to a coffee shop with kids, be back on in a but | 00:45 | |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r40e406b / (3 files in 2 dirs): | 01:12 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Handle template attachments differently in the upgrade order. | 01:12 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Add them in and rekey them immediately when making 7.7.0, and then conditionally rekey | 01:12 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: them later in the 7.7.23 upgrade. - http://bit.ly/40V6u5 | 01:12 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rf865821 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.22-7.7.23.pl : Fix a problem with the modified template_attachments upgrade. - http://bit.ly/kmh6C | 01:12 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell formbuilder * r5fd9a32 / lib/WebGUI/FormBuilder.pm : adding formbuilder - http://bit.ly/2QQsHV | 01:14 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7a486a9 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Conditional upgrade for template_attachments, for those coming from 7.7 - http://bit.ly/1s2zsl | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: given that xootom was posting bugs about the upgrade process beyond where he was, I'm guessing that I can close this bug: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11163 | 01:24 |
| @preaction | iirc you fixed newPending, right? then yes | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I fixed newPending to throw an exception | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | but I didn't touch the upgrade script | 01:28 |
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| @preaction | it's not a problem in the upgrade script, unless xootom comes back with those assets ARE visible from the normal admin interface | 01:28 |
| @preaction | if they are, then they're not corrupt, and something else is wrong | 01:28 |
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| daviddelikat | anybody know where WG hides the apache access logs? | 02:07 |
| @preaction | the WRE puts them in each site's /data/domains/*/logs directories | 02:09 |
| daviddelikat | I always forget to looc in the doamins dir, thanks | 02:10 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell formbuilder * r29bb069 / (4 files in 2 dirs): added Has* Roles - http://bit.ly/21vkxf | 02:21 |
| @preaction | the very beginnings of the new forms api are in git ;) | 02:22 |
| @preaction | Roles are so much fun, really | 02:22 |
| xdanger | I'm a little confused about the Story Archive, Story topic and Newsletter. Newsletter doesn't seem to be much different from regular CS? What's the use on Story topic, is there a way to customize what stories it displays? | 02:28 |
| @preaction | you make a Story Archive to store Story objects. a Story Topic goes outside the Story Archive and pulls in Story objects based on the keywords of the Topic and the Story objects | 02:29 |
| @preaction | so if your Story has "golf" as a keyword, and your Topic has "golf" as a keyword, the Story will show up under the Topic | 02:30 |
| xdanger | ok, didn't try that one =) | 02:30 |
| xdanger | Is there anywhere that one could find about this kind of stuff? | 02:30 |
| @preaction | the wiki perhaps? i don't know. i think the new Content Manager's guide has it | 02:31 |
| xdanger | I don't think that there was a wiki | 02:34 |
| xdanger | what about the newsletter? | 02:34 |
| @preaction | newsletter is a subclass of the collaboration system | 02:37 |
| @preaction | so, not much different | 02:37 |
| @preaction | but i've never used that one | 02:37 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell formbuilder * rdd35bfe / (3 files in 2 dirs): added Fieldset and Tab objects - http://bit.ly/4t3yMn | 02:43 |
| xdanger | reading the source quickly, it seems that it enables subscriptions per metadata properties of the posts | 02:45 |
| xdanger | only tha templates don't include the functionality | 02:45 |
| xdanger | ok, first step in upgrade 7.6.35.2 -> 7.7.23 taken: I've read the diff =D then I'll try to merge, then update my CS fork, then test the upgrade.... thank god for git =D | 04:22 |
| xdanger | now to sleep, it's 4:30 AM here | 04:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam: how's the move, dude? | 06:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | mducharme: how goes the good fight to keep your webgui site? | 07:36 |
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| HinHin | heya guys ;) | 08:58 |
| HinHin | I'm trying out WebGUI through the VMware image of WebGUI | 08:58 |
| HinHin | i've got it up and running (and the virtual host is pingable) | 08:58 |
| HinHin | how do i access WebGui? is there some special URL i need to use? | 08:59 |
| HinHin | :\ just pointing my web browser to the VMware machine's IP address doesn't work (white page) | 08:59 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 14:57 |
| +BartJol | morning | 14:59 |
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| SDuensin | YES! Ubuntu 9.10 just went up! | 16:55 |
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| @preaction | that reminds me, i should put together a vmware image w/ WRE + ubuntu | 17:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | BartJol: your code is merged | 17:30 |
| SDuensin | Anyone here know much about scaling WebGUI? | 17:44 |
| SDuensin | I've got a new client who's worried it's going to be taken down when she goes public and people start hitting it. | 17:45 |
| @preaction | SDuensin: get a software package called "siege" and run real benchmarks | 17:46 |
| SDuensin | Will do. | 17:46 |
| @preaction | but as for tweakings: make sure you're using Database cache and not File cache | 17:46 |
| SDuensin | But has anyone done or heard anything about using EC2 and dynamically adding/removing boxes? | 17:47 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, the expert in the WebGUI scalability field is Koen De Jonge from Procolix | 17:47 |
| @preaction | set up read-only slaves or mysql multi-master in a round-robin setup | 17:47 |
| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan has done EC2 work | 17:47 |
| @preaction | the biggest bottleneck will always be the database | 17:47 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI runs the largest soccer site in the Netherlands, it'll stand up to the abuse | 17:47 |
| +cap10morgan | SDuensin: yep, that's exactly what i'm doing | 17:47 |
| SDuensin | Hey wait, isn't Koen the one responsible for everything wrong? :-P | 17:47 |
| +perlDreamer | No, that would be me :/ | 17:47 |
| +cap10morgan | but all you can really scale that way is the mod_perl layer | 17:47 |
| +cap10morgan | as preaction said | 17:48 |
| +cap10morgan | er, implied :) | 17:48 |
| SDuensin | cap10morgan: Sweet! Now that Ubuntu Server has cloud features, I'm debating moving to them. | 17:48 |
| +BartJol | oh perlDreamer, I saw it on git and in the rfe notice | 17:48 |
| +cap10morgan | we're running 100% ubuntu in ec2 | 17:48 |
| +cap10morgan | 8.04 currently | 17:49 |
| +cap10morgan | 9.10 whenever they get it out and rightscale adapts their scripts to it | 17:49 |
| SDuensin | Well, mod_perl on different boxes, yea, but won't database slaves help? | 17:49 |
| +cap10morgan | not really | 17:49 |
| +cap10morgan | webgui doesn't actually take advantage of them that much | 17:49 |
| +BartJol | SDuensin: Koen knows quite something about it | 17:49 |
| +cap10morgan | webgui 8 will fix that | 17:49 |
| SDuensin | Well, get typing! :-P | 17:49 |
| +BartJol | I'll try if I can get him out his busy schedule | 17:50 |
| SDuensin | I meant on WebGUI 8, but that works, too, BartJol. :-) | 17:50 |
| SynQ | ohhhmmm | 17:50 |
| SynQ | who summoned me? | 17:50 |
| +BartJol | Sdiddi | 17:51 |
| SynQ | I was resting in zen | 17:51 |
| +BartJol | not xen? | 17:51 |
| SDuensin | Aliens try to kill you in Xen! | 17:51 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ: SDuensin has a customer with scaling questions | 17:51 |
| SynQ | ah | 17:51 |
| +BartJol | SDuensin: SynQ is the man you wanna have for large WebGUI deployments | 17:51 |
| +perlDreamer | of course, we thought of you... | 17:51 |
| SynQ | SDuensin: how can I help you | 17:52 |
| SynQ | or: hang on I'll read the backlog | 17:52 |
| SDuensin | She's just worried she's going to get a burst of traffic that will knock the site over. | 17:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Everyone fears Slashdot | 17:53 |
| SynQ | ah | 17:53 |
| SynQ | SDuensin: is it availablility that your client is worried about? | 17:53 |
| SynQ | or performance? | 17:53 |
| SynQ | or capacity? | 17:53 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: went everything ok with da merge? | 17:53 |
| SDuensin | Probably both. She didn't really say. | 17:54 |
| SynQ | or availability + performance + capacity | 17:54 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol: yes. It was very smooth. | 17:54 |
| SynQ | how much traffic would 'a burst' be? | 17:54 |
| +BartJol | nice | 17:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I panicked at first due to the upgrade script, but pulled it from the paste | 17:54 |
| SynQ | 1000 simultanious users? | 17:54 |
| SynQ | 10.000 simultanious users? | 17:54 |
| +BartJol | yeah, as I mailed you I didn't put that in my repo | 17:54 |
| +BartJol | mailed this morning... | 17:55 |
| SDuensin | She wasn't sure, but mentioned possibly hitting the front page of TechCrunch. | 17:55 |
| SDuensin | Early estimates of users is 100,000 - but that won't be all at once. | 17:55 |
| SynQ | ok | 17:55 |
| +perlDreamer | If that happens, you need to be sure that she has a WebGUI button on the site | 17:55 |
| SynQ | 100K users is quite something | 17:55 |
| SynQ | what resources are you running on currently? | 17:56 |
| SDuensin | And, to be perfectly honest, I don't know WTF she's doing to get those numbers. I'm building the site and still don't understand it! :-) | 17:56 |
| +BartJol | I was worried that something would go wrong with the merge of the tests | 17:56 |
| +BartJol | but I believe it seems ok | 17:56 |
| +perlDreamer | no, the tests were fine | 17:56 |
| +BartJol | btw is cover the standard WebGUI dev test-test? | 17:57 |
| SDuensin | It's a dual core something or other running Ubuntu and a gig of RAM. Trying to find specifics now. | 17:57 |
| +perlDreamer | cover is not standard | 17:57 |
| SynQ | SDuensin: it's not really hard to find out how many users you can handle | 17:57 |
| @preaction | if she's talking 100k page views per month, that's not even breaking a sweat | 17:57 |
| SynQ | 1 GB ram is not much | 17:57 |
| @preaction | yeah, not much at all | 17:57 |
| SynQ | 100K users 'at one moment' is killing though | 17:57 |
| +perlDreamer | memory will help that a lot | 17:57 |
| SDuensin | preaction: Not views dude, users. | 17:57 |
| SynQ | but if you are worried about 'real scalability' then I can help | 17:58 |
| +BartJol | should cover be standard? | 17:58 |
| SynQ | we could do multiple modproxy servers with multiple modperl servers with master slave databases | 17:58 |
| @preaction | if you want real numbers of how many users your current system can support, use siege | 17:58 |
| SynQ | that is what we do for patrick | 17:58 |
| +BartJol | because I can write test scripts that just say "this test passed" | 17:59 |
| SDuensin | Like I said, I don't know what she really needs. That was another reason I was looking at EC2. | 17:59 |
| SynQ | EC2 is not the solution per se | 17:59 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol, if every dev used cover to make sure they wrote good tests, I would be very happy. | 17:59 |
| SDuensin | No, it's not, but it lets me add new "boxes" a hell of a lot faster than 1and1. | 17:59 |
| +perlDreamer | but we can barely get people to run the tests, let alone write them | 18:00 |
| SynQ | true | 18:00 |
| +perlDreamer | it's why I push so hard on people to write tests | 18:00 |
| +BartJol | if only more people were like me | 18:00 |
| +perlDreamer | ++BartJol | 18:00 |
| SynQ | SDuensin: the adding of boxes is not the real problem though | 18:00 |
| SynQ | it's setting it all up to be able to add new boxes | 18:00 |
| +BartJol | with my amount of code, that was doable | 18:00 |
| SynQ | SDuensin: ProcoliX has hosting facilities in Chicago, perhaps we can build a load-balanced cluster for your client | 18:01 |
| SDuensin | Maybe. Any idea what the per-month would look like? The only reason I'm at 1&1 is because it was cheap for a dedicated box when I was broke. :-) | 18:02 |
| SynQ | That depends | 18:02 |
| SynQ | Of course | 18:02 |
| SynQ | what is the 'normal' amount of users your client would like to be able to serve? | 18:03 |
| SynQ | perhaps we should discuss this off-channel :) | 18:03 |
| SDuensin | :-) | 18:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r472ddb6 / (3 files in 2 dirs): i18n the ableToBeFrield user profile field label. - http://bit.ly/3xOM15 | 18:06 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r404ff5d / (2 files in 2 dirs): i18n the ableToBeFrield user profile field label. - http://bit.ly/1Ep2FE | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | oh no, do it in channel and teach us more | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | how am I supposed to be able to send you clients if I don't understand? | 18:06 |
| +BartJol | because only Koen does, just direct them to us | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | will do, BartJol | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | you know it's been a long month when you go through an entire box of lemon tea, and a whole bear of honey | 18:08 |
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| +BartJol | that's what my mother always tells me... | 18:09 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: I saw you added pagination to the shelf | 18:24 |
| +BartJol | in 7.6.5 | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 18:24 |
| +BartJol | is there a setting that allows me to set the number of products?\ | 18:24 |
| +BartJol | I can't find it | 18:24 |
| +BartJol | seems default at 25 | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | the pagination is not configurable | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be a great RFE | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | 100-150 lines of code, including upgrade script, i18n and tests | 18:27 |
| SDuensin | I thought I RFE'd that a long time ago? | 18:28 |
| +BartJol | well, I can put in karma than | 18:28 |
| +BartJol | then | 18:28 |
| SDuensin | Maybe I just RFE'd pagination. | 18:29 |
| +BartJol | kristi did | 18:29 |
| * SDuensin doesn't remember. | 18:29 | |
| +perlDreamer | she did? | 18:29 |
| +BartJol | 9329 | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I just filed a duplicate? | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | is it approved? | 18:29 |
| +BartJol | oh it is moved from the bug-board | 18:29 |
| SDuensin | Bad developer! Search then post! :-) | 18:29 |
| +BartJol | nope | 18:29 |
| +BartJol | hey, I just arranged a private conversation with our top-man | 18:30 |
| +BartJol | didn't complain about that | 18:30 |
| +perlDreamer | it's approved | 18:30 |
| +perlDreamer | the difficulty was changed to 1 | 18:30 |
| +BartJol | ah, ok | 18:30 |
| SDuensin | Speaking of bug and RFE boards, are there plans to add the issue tracker to the main WebGUI tree? | 18:31 |
| +BartJol | well, I guess that should be fixed sometime then | 18:31 |
| +BartJol | dunno | 18:31 |
| * perlDreamer doesn't know either | 18:32 | |
| +perlDreamer | you can always pull a copy from git | 18:32 |
| SDuensin | Yea, I know. I need to. Just never made it up that far on my "to do" list. | 18:33 |
| * SDuensin has a BIG list. | 18:33 | |
| +perlDreamer | How's the wgfs stuff? | 18:33 |
| +BartJol | webgui filesystem? | 18:34 |
| SDuensin | I read the code, looked over the specs. Doesn't look *too* bad. Not had any time to do any actual work on it though. | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 18:34 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r90bf191 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.7.24 release. - http://bit.ly/4r35G8 | 18:56 |
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| SDuensin | Hey, to be a partner, I need invited. Do I smell bad? I'm on the partner mailing list, but not the web page. :-( | 19:05 |
| @preaction | SDuensin: JT would be the person to e-mail about that one | 19:05 |
| SDuensin | He scares me. :-P | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I think to be on the web page you need to have made significant contributions to WebGUI and/or the community | 19:06 |
| @preaction | in spite of his scariness, you should at least ask what you need to do to be put there | 19:07 |
| SDuensin | I have 14 sites on it, and I'm a pest! Not to mention the #1 fan. :-) | 19:07 |
| SDuensin | Oh, and I reviewed the iPhone app. Nicely, even! | 19:07 |
| @preaction | he still scares me, and i've worked with him for 3 years now | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | he's not that scary | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | he's sane | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | it's the scary, insane ones you have to worry about | 19:08 |
| SDuensin | Scary! Proof! --> http://www.plainblack.com/uploads/1y/hj/1yhjRwkid0sM0ihm7_lUeA/jt.jpg | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | conceded, scary looking. | 19:09 |
| @preaction | even sane people have topics and/or moments of selective rationality | 19:09 |
| SDuensin | I think I now know why he has more minions than I do. He has bigger hair. | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | more beard | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | minions respect the beard | 19:11 |
| SDuensin | That sucks. I don't like having a beard. | 19:11 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r687cd3d / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.7.25 development. - http://bit.ly/2ZrtFS | 19:50 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r0a62051 / (6 files): Test maintenance in t/Macro - http://bit.ly/HsiD9 | 19:50 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3058600 / (6 files): Test maintenance in t/Macro - http://bit.ly/2xQ0IP | 19:53 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: JT Smith webgui-7.7 * r07c0487 / (2 files in 2 dirs): | 20:50 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Fixed an error being thrown by the CalendarUpdateFeeds workflow activity. | 20:50 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Conflicts: | 20:50 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt - http://bit.ly/1lRASU | 20:50 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: JT Smith webgui-7.7 * r72c14f0 / (15 files in 5 dirs): | 20:50 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Merge branch 'webgui-7.7' of github.com:plainblack/webgui into webgui-7.7 | 20:50 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Conflicts: | 20:50 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt - http://bit.ly/2Bc2If | 20:50 |
| @steveo_aa | Is there a WebGUI method that will rebuild a lineage chain based exclusively on the parentId asset chain? | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 20:50 |
| @steveo_aa | Is that a dangerous practice? | 20:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I have no idea | 20:52 |
| @Haarg | rebuildLineage.pl does that, but only works on an entire site | 20:52 |
| @Haarg | if you have the need to do that though, you are probably doing something wrong | 20:52 |
| @steveo_aa | The site I am working on may have had a process interrupt an action. | 20:53 |
| @steveo_aa | I'm unsure the cause, but the lineage does not match the parent ref | 20:53 |
| @steveo_aa | Examining rebuildLineage, it appears that the assetId of the desired parent is hardcoded. If I needed to modify it so that acted on a deeper asset parentage can you predict a problem? | 20:55 |
| @steveo_aa | I can test this off-site with minor extra effort. Just asking if I need to look out for something. | 20:56 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: JT Smith webgui-7.7 * rf6a62f1 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/Group.pm): The auto add to group and auto delete from group operations that are used with the GroupAdd and GroupDelete macros were fixed to make the user log in if they aren't already. - http://bit.ly/Uiiom | 21:00 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: JT Smith master * r9c21429 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixed an error being thrown by the CalendarUpdateFeeds workflow activity. - http://bit.ly/2kbUCx | 21:02 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: JT Smith master * rfb864a4 / (20 files in 14 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of github.com:plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/3aRHu0 | 21:02 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: JT Smith master * rf1bc38d / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/Group.pm): | 21:02 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: The auto add to group and auto delete from group operations that are used with the GroupAdd and GroupDelete macros were fixed to make the user log in if they aren't already. | 21:02 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Conflicts: | 21:02 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt - http://bit.ly/2DLUPL | 21:02 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r727a42f / (3 files in 3 dirs): CS template variable help review. Fixes bug #11179. - http://bit.ly/1G8MEt | 21:43 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra1c1cd4 / lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/PayoutVendors.pm : Fix broken i18n in the PayoutVendors workflow. - http://bit.ly/2ureni | 21:43 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r97a340a / (3 files in 3 dirs): CS template variable help review. Fixes bug #11179. - http://bit.ly/4rdp6Q | 21:43 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra4a5403 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Fix bad merge. - http://bit.ly/oNGt7 | 21:45 |
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| dionak | i need to grep through the cache. does anyone know a command that allows grep to not bork on the random file names in there like -+8cNXW3C-MV227EuBQzKQ? | 22:20 |
| dionak | i found a solution with find and grep | 22:23 |
| +perlDreamer | -- | 22:25 |
| dionak | this is interesting.. | 22:28 |
| dionak | i have a site that has content from another site unexpectedly. It appears that the cache for a dataform was written to the wrong directory. | 22:28 |
| dionak | i've checked the dataform table in the database for site A and it has the correct data in it. However, the dataform for site B was written to the cache directory for site A. Configs look ok. | 22:29 |
| daviddelikat | I have a WG version tag issue | 22:33 |
| daviddelikat | I'm creating a new child asset | 22:33 |
| daviddelikat | which modifies the state of the parent | 22:33 |
| daviddelikat | WG is putting the new child in a version tag | 22:33 |
| daviddelikat | ut the change to the parent is not in the version tag | 22:33 |
| daviddelikat | s/ut/but/ | 22:34 |
| daviddelikat | I'm thinking the version tag is good, so should I call newRevision on the paret? | 22:35 |
| @Haarg | how is the modification to the parent being done? | 22:35 |
| daviddelikat | $self->update({property => value }) | 22:36 |
| @Haarg | you should probably use addRevision instead of update | 22:36 |
| daviddelikat | ok | 22:36 |
| dionak | can someone tell me more about the caching for assets in WebGUI? What writes out the asset like a DataForm to the file system? | 22:40 |
| * perlDreamer heads off to pick up kids from school | 22:43 | |
| +perlDreamer | dionak, caching is handled in two steps | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | one by the asset itself, and perhaps a 2nd time by the Layout/Page containing it | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | checkout subs view, and www_view in each for more details | 22:44 |
| dionak | k, thanks pd | 22:44 |
| daviddelikat | Haarg: how does WG decide when to create a new version tag? | 22:45 |
| @Haarg | addRevision will create one if one doesn't already exist | 22:45 |
| @Haarg | or if one is manually created | 22:46 |
| daviddelikat | I'm getting one without asking for it | 22:46 |
| @Haarg | creating a new asset involves calling addRevision | 22:46 |
| daviddelikat | which is called by addChild? | 22:47 |
| @Haarg | yes | 22:47 |
| daviddelikat | is it possible for things to run outside the version tag even if they are in the same session that created it? | 22:48 |
| @Haarg | not sure what you mean by 'run outside the version tag' | 22:49 |
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| daviddelikat | once created the version tag defines a set of assets with a different state than everyone else sees | 22:49 |
| daviddelikat | 'ouitside' woudl be unable to see those assets | 22:50 |
| @Haarg | well, you can leave the version tag | 22:50 |
| daviddelikat | is that a session-wide action? | 22:51 |
| @Haarg | yes | 22:51 |
| daviddelikat | I'm trying to pinpoint a variety of issues im having here | 22:52 |
| daviddelikat | I just wanted to make sure none of it could be session related | 22:52 |
| daviddelikat | I or at least no more of them | 22:52 |
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| daviddelikat | new topic: is there something new going on with tinymce? I'm having lots of JS errors from it being undefined | 22:53 |
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| daviddelikat | sorry, back to the version tag thing, my settings are 'commit without approval' and 'commit automatically' -- why would i even see the version tag? | 22:58 |
| @Haarg | the commit process is done by the www_editSave method and other places that do a similar job | 23:00 |
| @Haarg | if you are interacting on an api level you still have to handle it | 23:00 |
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| daviddelikat | thanks, that answers that quite well. -- do you know anything about tinymce? half of my JS fails because it is undefined | 23:02 |
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| daviddelikat | how badly do things have to be messed up to get duplicate entries on assetId? | 04:16 |
| daviddelikat | I think you just have to be ~really~ fast... | 04:20 |
| @preaction | a corrupt asset that can't be instantiated and a package being imported with that same asset will usually do it | 04:22 |
| @preaction | because we don't know WHY we failed to instantiate an asset, if it doesn't exist or if it's corrupt | 04:23 |
| daviddelikat | actually I'm trying to ad revisions to an asset without committing the version tag... | 04:23 |
| daviddelikat | apparently that doesn't work | 04:23 |
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| +BartJol | aah, just made more i18n to translate later | 14:48 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 15:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | good morning, folks | 17:20 |
| @preaction | morning | 17:20 |
| +BartJol | morning, perlDreamer, have you seen my mail about auth.pm? | 17:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I have | 17:21 |
| +perlDreamer | since scratch is tied to a session, I wouldn't expect it to change my language choices after I log in | 17:21 |
| +perlDreamer | also trying to figure out how to pull changes from your repo into the main WebGUI repo | 17:22 |
| +BartJol | yeah, opinions are different for differnt people | 17:22 |
| +BartJol | oh | 17:22 |
| +BartJol | but you did that wednesday already | 17:22 |
| +perlDreamer | yes and no... | 17:23 |
| +BartJol | cp-paste files? | 17:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg built a branch with your repo merged in, and I pulled from there | 17:23 |
| +perlDreamer | for now, I think it's easiest if you generate a patch for me to apply | 17:23 |
| +perlDreamer | using git diff | 17:23 |
| +perlDreamer | and then, in the future, for you to drop your current branch, and to work out of a fork of master | 17:24 |
| +perlDreamer | since the "official" version should be patched against that | 17:24 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: re rogier's captcha "bug". I think it's really an RFE. | 17:25 |
| @preaction | which one? | 17:26 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 17:26 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11178 | 17:26 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, SquOnk. | 17:26 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I saw 7.7.24 coming out in a hurry! | 17:27 |
| @preaction | yes, the dataform captcha came after | 17:27 |
| @preaction | if anything, it's a bug that dataform doesn't require a captcha for logged-in users | 17:27 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: It's already uploaded in Debian ;-) | 17:27 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk: excellent | 17:27 |
| +perlDreamer | did you read the release note, for the reason why? | 17:27 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Any news on the SynCont encoding bug? | 17:27 |
| * BartJol is looking up his commit id's | 17:27 | |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol: git log -p is your friend | 17:27 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk: Haarg has found additional encoding bugs, and is working on stomping them all. | 17:28 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Excellent! | 17:28 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: So, you'll delay 7.6.35.3 until then, right? | 17:29 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: so we should declare it a bug one way or the other, and make them uniform in function. | 17:29 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk: you're the only person in the world interested in 7.6.35.3, so yes. | 17:29 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: :-) | 17:29 |
| +perlDreamer | well, you and the other 10 Debian users of the package | 17:29 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: up to you. i'd say leave be myself | 17:30 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: ...on Lenny ;-) | 17:30 |
| @Haarg | i'm not making much progress on the encoding stuff unfortunately. and i'm pretty sure i'm not going to be able to fix that bug without breaking a previous issue that i fixed. | 17:30 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: then I'll move it to the RFE board with this discussion | 17:30 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: popcon shows 14 installs of webgui. Thats almos 40% usage increase ;-) | 17:31 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Besides, we're working on automatic webgui deployment in the Amazon Cloud | 17:31 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk: hacking the data won't get it released more quickly ;) | 17:31 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, if we had to pick fixing 10 cases and losing 1, knowing that it happened before and will therefore show up on somebody's radar, how do you feel about pressing forward anyway? | 17:33 |
| +BartJol | diff file is on his way | 17:33 |
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| +BartJol | I will leave bug 11181 in peace now | 17:36 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol: you can challenge any bug you want | 17:39 |
| +perlDreamer | because I do make mistakes sometimes | 17:39 |
| +BartJol | yeah, I expected an i18n change, I got mad from reloading it 30 times | 17:40 |
| +perlDreamer | very understandable | 17:40 |
| +BartJol | mmm, my thread is getting a bit long and boring | 17:41 |
| +BartJol | but.. filled with positive news | 17:42 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: is that diff file any good? | 17:43 |
| +perlDreamer | fixing the tree navigation bug right now | 17:44 |
| +perlDreamer | should be able to look at it i 15-20 minutes | 17:44 |
| +perlDreamer | if you need to bier, I'll email you if there's problems | 17:44 |
| +BartJol | what? now I want you to do it NOW! ;) | 17:44 |
| +BartJol | I''l be here for another hour | 17:44 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL3-pb2K7DM&feature=related | 17:46 |
| +perlDreamer | wait for the song... | 17:46 |
| +BartJol | :) | 17:46 |
| +BartJol | I wanna have a trained squirrel | 17:46 |
| +BartJol | actually, a fat squirrel might be better | 17:47 |
| +perlDreamer | for stewing? | 17:47 |
| +BartJol | no, it is one of those delicious new glarus beers | 17:47 |
| +perlDreamer | odd, CIA is usually pretty quick to pick up git commits | 17:51 |
| +BartJol | github was having some trouble a couple of minutes ago | 17:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I liked the funky cat thing-logo much better than the unicorn getting an enema | 17:53 |
| +BartJol | eeh, rancid logo | 17:54 |
| +BartJol | but github has issues today | 17:55 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol: please email me the package of the new template | 18:01 |
| +BartJol | ok | 18:01 |
| +perlDreamer | the diff only says that they're different | 18:01 |
| +perlDreamer | and the diff itself is backwards | 18:02 |
| +BartJol | it has been send | 18:03 |
| +perlDreamer | how 'bout the new diff? | 18:06 |
| +BartJol | er? | 18:07 |
| +BartJol | you wanna have it the othe way around? | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | because it's trying to remove your new code, instead of adding it | 18:10 |
| +BartJol | cool, but it's on it's way | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | time for a self inventory | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | mental and physical langor: check | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | slight headache: check | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | listlessness: check | 18:12 |
| +BartJol | oh, is that my fault? | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | hunger pangs: check | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Yup, it's dieting season | 18:12 |
| SDuensin | Whew. For a minute I thought you were describing helping me the other day. | 18:15 |
| +BartJol | you felt a mental connection? | 18:15 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol: it's in | 18:16 |
| +BartJol | aah, tres bien | 18:16 |
| +BartJol | merci mon ami | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | no problemo, dudely | 18:16 |
| +BartJol | with that failing github it is not that easy | 18:17 |
| +BartJol | or is it only the port 80 app? | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | no the whole thing seems to be down now | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I can't push to the repo | 18:17 |
| +BartJol | ah | 18:18 |
| +BartJol | let's all try to do it simultaneously, that'll help | 18:18 |
| +perlDreamer | whups | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | it pushed | 18:20 |
| +BartJol | you're having a baby? | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | no, two is enough | 18:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | thanks, bopbop | 18:36 |
| @bopbop | no problem | 18:36 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rea72f24 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the tree navigation template. Fixes bug #11135 - http://bit.ly/1N7Mf2 | 18:36 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r651d3b1 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the tree navigation template. Fixes bug #11135 - http://bit.ly/3sPnx0 | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, before I forget. There was a bug fixed in the auto add to group and auto remove from group macros. | 18:37 |
| CIA-53 | config-json: JT Smith master * raedaa04 / (lib/Config/JSON.pm t/Config.t): dealing with escaping slashes in keys - http://bit.ly/NKKD4 | 18:37 |
| CIA-53 | config-json: JT Smith master * recc3f17 / (Changes lib/Config/JSON.pm): Merge branch 'master' of github.com:plainblack/config-json - http://bit.ly/3UIGLp | 18:37 |
| CIA-53 | config-json: JT Smith master * r45bed39 / (lib/Config/JSON.pm t/Config.t): allow for escaped slashes in keys - http://bit.ly/3HHoxn | 18:37 |
| CIA-53 | config-json: JT Smith master * r283f637 / (Changes META.yml README lib/Config/JSON.pm): preparing for release - http://bit.ly/2MsR04 | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | they now require that you're logged in | 18:37 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2122365 / (5 files in 5 dirs): Extend the PickLanguage macro to let the user clear their overrides. - http://bit.ly/4begHQ | 18:38 |
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| +BartJol | ok, well, I can rest now that my code is added, it's officially weekend | 18:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | bopbop: the survey on your training site looks okay, it's just the stable demo? | 18:51 |
| @bopbop | perlDreamer: yes, it's the stable | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I have the bug | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | next time, bopbop, just say, "Try actually looking at the demo, perlDreamer!" | 19:04 |
| @bopbop | k- I'll try to be bossier | 19:05 |
| @bopbop | shouldn't be an issue | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | we're parents, it comes naturally after a while | 19:05 |
| @bopbop | yup | 19:05 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6b88a89 / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 19:15 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Fix bad CSS link in the Edit Survey template. Fixes bug #10984. | 19:15 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Update test to scan for links and srcs in the template body, too. - http://bit.ly/1w87O6 | 19:15 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2b14932 / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 19:15 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Fix bad CSS link in the Edit Survey template. Fixes bug #10984. | 19:15 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Update test to scan for links and srcs in the template body, too. - http://bit.ly/YlyVt | 19:15 |
| +perlDreamer | that's one survey bug down | 19:17 |
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| jnegative | http://www.webgui.org/mods/userlisting_wobject/re_userlisting_wobject2/re-userlisting-wobject | 21:43 |
| jnegative | I want to implement exactly what he describes in that post. Anyone know of a successful implementation before I get started? | 21:44 |
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| @preaction | the UserList asset has been in WebGUI since 7.6 I believe, jnegative | 21:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | yep, in 7.6 | 22:07 |
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| carogray | quick css ? | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | questions are always welcome | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | answers are not always promised ;) | 23:09 |
| carogray | if the style of something on a webpage I want to copy is .salsa .date and .salsa .day and .salsa .time how do I stick that in the metadata tab? | 23:10 |
| carogray | I have the css definitions I just don't understand the two .'s | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | it means they are nested | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | that is .date's inside of .salsa's | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | make sense? | 23:16 |
| carogray | oh right I see. | 23:20 |
| carogray | so I make a <div class="salsa"> </div> and then inside that div I have one that is date and day and time? | 23:21 |
| carogray | I think I have it | 23:21 |
| carogray | thanks | 23:21 |
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| Socrates | carogray: salsa like the dance? | 23:38 |
| Socrates | (/me has just finished the first 8 beginners lessons) | 23:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam! | 03:21 |
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| +patspam | hey perlDreamer! | 04:28 |
| +patspam | running around like a headless chicken, T-24hrs till liftoff | 04:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | just wave as you fly over :) | 04:51 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5ea3f02 / (6 files): Macro test maintenance. - http://bit.ly/31NsCV | 21:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra092f08 / (6 files): Macro test maintenance. - http://bit.ly/15NkMs | 21:04 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3b11493 / (7 files): More Macro test maintenance. Up through LastModified. - http://bit.ly/3Tp61A | 23:55 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5b2eaf7 / (7 files): More Macro test maintenance. Up through LastModified. - http://bit.ly/3yHvEN | 23:55 |
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