WebGUI irc logs from: 2009-09.log

--- Log opened Tue Sep 01 00:00:30 2009
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preactionand it seems like you can't insert a completely blank line. because this thing is stupid and everything's stupid00:18
+perlDreamerthe only way to insert a "blank" line is to insert a line with some kind of whitespace in it?00:19
preactioncorrect00:20
preactiona single space seems to work00:20
preactionand this is still only in IE00:20
preactioni imagine this is a surmountable problem, but i don't have time to surmount it right now00:20
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+perlDreamerpreaction: is this the DavGlass thing, or something built on top of YUI Editor?00:31
preactionthe davglass thing is built on-top of the YUI Editor00:31
preactionit's the Dav Glass thing, but fixed00:31
preactionat least, now that i'm starting to understand some of it00:32
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6d393fe / t/Shop/PayDriver/Ogone.t : Make Ogone.t test for its own name. - http://bit.ly/UU7GP00:42
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SquOnkGreetings.00:47
SquOnkI've setup a Weblog. I want to disable the ability to Reply (Add?) to the posts.00:47
SquOnkI did check 'no' in Security's "Allow Replies".00:48
SquOnkAs a Visitor, I can only read the post and the bottom bar only gives Previous and Next as expected.00:48
SquOnkBut if I use any registered user, the "Add" option shows up and I can add comments. What gives?00:49
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SquOnkAh, figured it out.01:13
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SquOnkcarogray: Your CSS adventure had a happy ending?01:44
carograyoh god no!01:45
SquOnkBummer01:45
carograyjust moved the DNS committed the version tag and ayah - it looks AWFUL seems to have been a previous version!01:45
SquOnkcarogray: Where is it?01:45
carograySo hopefully not too many people will be looking at it tonight and I will be able to do some reconstructive work tonight01:45
carograyhttp://www.mwlegal.org01:46
carograyeverything is broken and ....01:46
SquOnkcarogray: What's b0rken?01:46
carograywell I had a flash movie working right and now it doesn't show up.01:46
carograyI cant get the Metrowest legal Services in the footer to be in Century Schoolbook, the side menus are all wonky and ....01:47
SquOnkWhere was it supposed to show?01:47
carograyhttp://test16.mlri.org/donate.html01:48
carograyor perhaps mwlegal.org/donate.html01:49
carograyhadn't really finished01:49
carogray.... have to get last files together and pack up by 7:10 tonight so I can make the bus and work at home tonight...01:49
SquOnkcarogray: "OOPS! You forgot to upload swfobject.js! You must upload this file for your gallery to work."01:49
carograyIknow01:49
carograyI already had fixed this... then I committed the version tag and somehow it undid it!01:50
carograyI remember it is actually a name not matching somewhere. I have to go through it all again.01:50
carograyyou know like a jpg instead of a gif or ... a capital letter somewhere and lowercase somewhere else...01:50
SquOnkcarogray: I think you used /swfobject.js but it lives in /extras/ukplayer/swfobject.js01:52
+perlDreamer^Extras(ukplayer/swfobject.js);01:54
carograyI will look, thanks for helping out. I get connected on the bus so I am hoping to work on it then but I have to get the files that were updated only about 4 1st and then perhaps if you are still around.. I am not too worried about the Flash since I did fix it before, but not being able to get the Century Schoolbook on the Metrowest Legal Services in the footer is driving me nuts... I can't figure out what I am doing wrong.01:54
carograythanks so much you guys... I am keeping the log and will check back in when I am on the bus. It's about 1 hr 45 minutes and I get internet signal for most of the trip.01:55
SquOnkcarogray: id="LegalCredits"01:56
SquOnkcarogray: But LegalCredits has Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif in the CSS01:56
carograynope wrong page01:57
SquOnkcarogray: That's the main page.01:57
carograyit's on an inner page that's the home page you are looking at01:57
carograyI mean that's the home page01:57
carograyAt the bottom of http://test16.mlri.org/donate.html footer is in the pageFooterContainer and it is h401:58
carograydefined css for it above h4#MWLegal { font-family:"Century Schoolbook", Georgia, serif; font-color: #036; } 01:59
carograyfound the files I need and copied them to my little card so I have a few minutes01:59
SquOnkcarogray: Well, I don't have Century Schoolbok. I have Century Schoolbook L02:01
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbaadf9c / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.18-7.7.19.pl : Fix lots of typos. - http://bit.ly/16OL0Q02:02
carograyStill it should show as Georgia or a serif font and be the right colour?02:02
carograySquOnk: is there a quick way to put your name in when I reply to you, or do you just type it in?02:03
SquOnkcarogray: I type "car" and the hit TAB.02:03
SquOnkcarogray: So try typing "sq" and then hit TAB.02:03
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SquOnkcarogray: I believe you're missing a comma between a:active and a:visited in the CSS fragment above the "problematic" one. A thing with CSS is that a syntax error makes the rest of the file is ignored.02:04
carograySquOnk: ooh yeah great...02:04
carograylike I said yesterday I am not a detail person and I need to get ways to look at things afresh... thanks for that02:05
SquOnkcarogray: If you use Firefox, there's a plugin that let's you find out the CSS for each block. If it says "no CSS info" it means something is b0rken in the CSS... that's what led me to believe you had a syntax error in you CSS.02:07
carograyaha would that be firebug?02:07
carograythat would explain a lot when it says there is no style defined for body when I have definitely defined styles for body02:07
SquOnkcarogray: I use webdeveloper02:08
carograyI think I might have used to have had that, will try it again...get it from mozilla plugins?02:09
SquOnkcarogray: Yes.02:09
SquOnkcarogray: I see you embed CSS with the HTML. That's not good or bad, but that's not the way I work. I tend to have CSS snippets separate from HTML and use some sort of CSS editor/validator before uploading, that way I now it's not b0rken.02:10
carograyI am just doing it temporarily -like eventually will put it in it's own snippet and call it after combining it with home page css02:11
carograyhaven't found a way to be sure it works in WG without putting it in directly and can change it quicker if on same template than if somewhere else02:12
carograySquOnk: eek!02:12
carograygotta run will be on bus in about 10-15 mins02:12
carograytalk to you then?02:12
SquOnkcarogray: I'll be leaving for home soon too.02:12
SquOnkcarogray: I'll get online later though.02:13
carograythanks02:13
carograybye02:13
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+perlDreamerin 7.8, we can finally get rid of errorHandler!02:15
@Haargwe can?02:15
+perlDreamersure, it was marked as deprecated02:16
+perlDreamerthere will only be log02:16
+perlDreamernice, short, simple "log"02:16
@Haarghrm02:16
@Haargthat's a pretty large api change02:16
+perlDreamerwell, we can leave the original there for historical purposes02:17
+perlDreamerbackwards compatibility and all, but there's no reason to use errorHandler in the core anymore02:17
@Haargsession->log->fatal is pretty weird, but aside from that i'd agree02:18
+perlDreamermaybe we need a WebGUI::Compatibility module02:19
+perlDreamerwhich could handle API naming changes and other simple thing02:19
+perlDreamer*WebGUI::Session::errorHandler = *WebGUI::Session::log02:19
+perlDreamerput it into modules.exclude by default02:20
+perlDreamerand if people want to use it, they can uncomment it02:20
+perlDreamerHaarg: did you have a chance to look in the database at the character set for the addresses that are having problems with ITransact?02:25
@Haargno02:26
@Haargthe character set is going to be utf8 in the database though02:28
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+perlDreamerseems odd to me that someone from Wisconsin would be using a character set that wouldn't downgrade safely to latin-102:29
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carograyam I still here..02:52
carograyyep02:52
carograysorry just checking02:52
+perlDreamerwe hear you carogray02:52
carograyI was checking out something about how pidgin works in a web browser and it told me that if I closed the window I would lose all my IRC connections02:53
carograyjust wanted to make sure I didn't disconnect from WebGUI chat room and then reconnect, got in trouble for that last week:-/02:54
+perlDreamertrouble?  from whom?02:55
carograypreaction02:55
+perlDreamerI wouldn't sweat it.  Accidents happen.02:55
carograyperhaps he wasn't pissed off, you know how texting can come across a little more abruptly than in person02:55
carograyI am just trying to be super careful now02:56
carograyI have all this work to do now, but I have to ask are you going to be at the WUC next week perlDreamer?02:56
@Haarghe wasn't angry, but you somehow had 6 clients connecting and disconnecting02:57
@Haargso it was spamming the channel pretty bad02:57
+perlDreamerI will be at the WUC.  In real life, I'm known as Colin Kuskie02:57
carograyI had 6? how could that happen was it different machines?02:57
carograyOh ho.02:57
@Haargsame machine02:57
@Haargi wouldn't worry about it though02:58
carograyI know what happened at my end but I didn't realize there were 6 of me though! I was connected or trying to be connected through my friend's neighbor's wireless connection and it was driving me crazy didn't realize it was creating many of me.. until I was banned02:58
carograywhen he woke up I connected to his connection and then I stayed connected consistently, just didn't want to risk it again for the rest of the trip02:59
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carograySo I am finally going to make it to the WUC this year pretty excited - we had been saving desperately last year and then had some money left over so I asked if  I could spend it last minute - the day before the fiscal year ended on the WUC! So I am coming. Yay.03:00
+perlDreamercool!03:00
carograyI will be way out of my element but it will be fun to meet you guys. anyone want anything from Boston or New Hampshire?03:02
carograyI can even bring "happy pork" if you are not a vegetarian03:02
+perlDreamerwhat is 'happy pork'?03:08
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* perlDreamer is going to take a break and play with the young ones. bbiaw03:09
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SquOnkre03:15
carograyperlDreamer: for when you get back "happy pork" is what we call our pigs when we eat them! Although they are fenced in the 'gambol' around in the woods eating acorns and poison ivy and lots of dunkin donuts and they have a grand time...eventually they go to freezer camp and we eat them and then sometimes they eat each other - perhaps too much information, but the meat is good and they are not living like the animals whose meat you buy fr03:17
carograySquOnk: just checking back looks like I have many errors - trying the w3c validators... tell me when you have an 'a' in an id is it supposed to be a#menu?  or #menu a { ? not sure if my css is wrong - the way I have defined it or the way I am actually using it in the html... still figuring it all out03:19
carograyfixed the comma you told me about still wrong, but now I am on to checking other errors03:20
SquOnkcarogray: a#menu works for <a id=menu ...>03:20
SquOnkcarogray: #menu a works for <a ... > inside anything id=menu03:21
SquOnkcarogray: They are two different things.03:21
SquOnkcarogray: Most of the time what you want is div#menu a, meaning "any <a ...> found inside _the_ <div id=menu>" 03:21
carograyOh ok, I see I guess most of the time I want the a's inside the id blocks03:21
carograyright03:21
SquOnkcarogray: So use div#idname explicitly.03:22
SquOnkcarogray: By being explicit in the future you won't have to remember what you meant two weeks ago when you wrotr #foo :-)03:22
carograyOK - the validator is telling me lots of stuff about what's allowed and not allowed inside certain elements. At least I have some direction now and am not just stabbing in the dark, most of what I did is guess work and imitation. It worked for the test17.mlri.org  website - haven't managed to do the menu there though but this one is much more complicated... off to pay attention to details 03:24
carograySquOnk:  you know if you want anything from Boston or New Hampshire next week, assuming you will be at WUC?03:24
carograyone more ? Can you have an #menu AND a .menu that is both a class and an id called the same thing or is that just dumb?03:26
SquOnkcarogray: You can have it. It's not dumb but not smart either :-)03:27
carograyok well at least it is one of the few things that isn't breaking everything03:27
SquOnkcarogray: Use ids for things that are unique. Say 'header' or 'footer'... chances are you have a single div for header and a single div for footer.03:27
carograyyeah, I know I was putting different bits and pieces together and some already had styles defined 03:28
SquOnkcarogray: Use classes for things that will be used several times. Say for h2/h4 or specially formatted paragraph.03:28
carograyI was trying to change as little as possible03:28
carograylike li s are classes side menu is an id I know I get it03:28
SquOnkcarogray: I won't make WUC this year either :-(03:29
carograympf too bad - where do you live?03:29
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SquOnkcarogray: Caracas, Venezuela03:29
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SquOnkcarogray: Are you from Boston?03:36
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+perlDreamercarogray, so by day you are a mild-mannered IT worker and website builder, but by night, you are the Raiser of Pigs?05:22
carograyby day too - actually mother of Raiser of Pigs... working at home 3 days a week I do pigs when kids are out late at night or away for some carousing 05:23
carograyTrue Raiser of Pigs is also mountain bike patroller and ski patroller - I am just the stand-in05:24
+perlDreamerthe variety of people who use WebGUI never ceases to amaze me05:24
carograyactually by day I am not really a website builder - rather I am content coordinator Plain English editor05:24
carograygot stuck with technical stuff cause all the more technical people left and besides I have experience with low income people using and building basic websites....05:25
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carograyGuess what?!!! the flash is working now! I didn't do anything!!05:34
carograywait a minute - perhaps it's that the page is cached... never mind I bet it isn't really working05:34
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+perlDreamerHaarg: The Shop API is convoluted05:38
@Haargoh?05:38
SquOnkWell, off I go.05:38
@Haargi haven't dealt with it much05:38
SquOnkSee you guys tomorrow05:38
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+perlDreamerLet's just say that trying to build a test bench for the ITransact driver, has been, trying05:39
+perlDreamerFirst, you have to build products with variants05:41
+perlDreamerthen you need a cart05:41
+perlDreamerthen a transaction referencing that cart05:41
+perlDreamerthen you put things into the cart05:42
+perlDreamerthen you put things into the transaction05:42
+perlDreameryou can update the transaction with an updated cart05:42
+perlDreamerbut only if the cart has an AddressBook and shipping address set05:42
+perlDreameroh, and a Shipping driver05:43
+perlDreamerwas that whiny enough to qualify for a "trying" ?05:44
elninoyes.06:10
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carograyperlDreamer: a little more basic css?06:54
+perlDreameryou can try carogray, but I'm really a perl hacker ;)06:55
carograyif I have defined just 'a' in the css, but defined it in an id also, would there be any reason for the id a to take over all other a's in the page, even though they are not in that id?06:56
+perlDreamerCSS allows you to specify styling for individual elements (specified by id) and also entire classes of HTML tags06:57
carograyin http://test16.mlri.org/articles all my a's are being defined by the mwlegal id which is only at the bottom of the page, when I look in firebug it shows me that the body a is over written by the MWLegal a. why would this be? If you don't know it right off the bet, don't bother, I just feel as though there si some06:58
carograybasic rule I am not getting06:58
+perlDreamerin particular, what are you seeing that you don't want to see?06:59
carograywell in articles there is a list of pdf's in an unordered list. They should all be blueish an underlined according to the body. However they are black and not underlined only turning color and getting underlined when hovered over - this is the MWLegal style for a's but MWLegal id is not applied until v. bottom of page07:00
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+perlDreamerLet me look with FireBug07:03
+perlDreamerlooks like there is a comma missing between a:active and a:visited in the CSS07:04
+perlDreamerbut that's not causing this problem07:05
carograyi thought I fixed that missing comma - perhaps it is in uncommitted version tag..07:05
+perlDreameror it's cached07:05
+perlDreamerah...07:06
+perlDreamercomma is OR07:06
+perlDreamerso, the CSS rule reads07:06
+perlDreamer#MWLegal a07:06
+perlDreamerOR07:06
+perlDreamera:link07:07
+perlDreamerit is not07:07
+perlDreamer#MWLegal (a or a:link)07:07
+perlDreameryou see what I mean?07:07
carograynot following you07:07
+perlDreamerthere is a line of CSS that reads07:07
+perlDreamer#MWLegal a, a:link, a:active a:visited07:07
carograyyes07:08
carograyok  but in my version there is a comma between actie and a:visited07:08
+perlDreamerthat if an element matches "#MWLegal a" or "a:link" or "a:active"07:08
+perlDreamer#MWLegal only applies to the first element in the list07:08
+perlDreamerI think that you want that to say07:09
carograyaha, not mwlegal a:link or mwlegal a, or mwlegal a:visited07:09
+perlDreamerright!07:09
carograyright I get it...07:09
carograyaha so the mwlegal id is inherited by all a's because the a is in the mw id.... huh... who would have thunk it....07:09
carograyso the comma should fix it... strange....but cool07:10
+perlDreamerno, not quite07:10
carograyactually if I put the comma in... how do I say all of the a's in mwlegal except hover should be this way?07:10
carograyright I just figured out that wouldn't be right.. 07:11
+perlDreamer#mwlegal a:link, #mwlegal a:, #mwlegal a:visited07:11
+perlDreamerapply the ID to each one07:11
carograyso how DO I say all of the mwlegal a's oh right have to spell it all out... ok 07:11
carograyone more slightly different _target is not allowed in xhtml strict?!07:11
carograyso can you open a link into a new window?07:13
* perlDreamer doesn't know07:15
+perlDreameryou'd have to check the spec07:15
carograyk - thanks for all your help, will let you alone now.07:15
carograyperfect it worked thanks!07:17
+perlDreamerHaarg: I now have a successful testbench.  To test this fix, I need to shove in some data that does not map back to latin-1, then try various ways of adding content to the request that handles UTF-8, right?07:19
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SquOnkMorning15:48
SquOnkWell, VET morning, anyway :-)15:48
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+perlDreamerKlausH: Great job on the German translation!18:08
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+perlDreamerdoes anyone know how to turn off email notifications in ITransact?18:31
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+bartjolwhoopisidaisy18:33
+perlDreamerbartjol: Good morning!18:33
+bartjoldinner time almost18:33
+perlDreamerbier:3018:33
+bartjolI only wish18:33
+perlDreamerhow's the VIES workflow thing coming?18:34
+bartjolaftyer a weekend of sailing with beaufort 5-6 and yesterday building walls I forgot to mention that I won't have the time for the VIES workflow18:34
+bartjolfor thursday that is18:34
+bartjolso it is where it was last week18:34
+perlDreamerI don't know that I would trade boating and wall building for making workflows either ;)18:35
+perlDreamerI spent the weekend camping at the beach18:36
+bartjoland right you are18:36
+bartjolat http://webgui.pastebin.com/mafe839c  is the workflow itself as far as I made it (with probably a lot of flaws included)18:38
+perlDreamerwho/what is "beaufort 5-6"?18:39
+perlDreamerHaarg: ITransact paydriver is now working with utf8 content18:39
+bartjolwind force18:39
@Haargnice18:39
@Haargi'll have that CS email fix committed soon18:39
+bartjolperlDreamer: and on http://webgui.pastebin.com/m382658bd is the changed sub in TaxDriver/EU.pm18:40
+perlDreameralso, we may need to upgrade the driver soon.  It sounds like future transactions will require an HMAC-SHA digest, and also possibly other identification keys for uniqueness18:40
+bartjolso I hope it's worth something18:42
+perlDreamerbartjol, I'll have a look at it soon.18:42
+bartjolI'm sorry18:42
+perlDreamerI need to make a tall marketing person happy first18:42
+perlDreamer;)18:42
+bartjolaah18:43
+bartjolwell, I hope Tavis will be happy, gotta run now18:45
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+perlDreamertavisto: it's fixed!18:49
+perlDreamerinstruct your code minions to apply the patch quickly, and your woes will be lifted18:50
@tavistowoohoo! yeah saw your email and that made me remember to join irc :)18:50
@tavistoawesome, because we have like a few hundred dollars worth o' orders to process now18:50
+perlDreamerI'm only asking a small percent of that...18:50
@tavistoriiiight.. I will give you a small percentage of the lashes if you don't get back to work!18:51
@tavisto*whip crack*18:51
+perlDreamerzoinks!18:51
@tavistothanks for helping out with that though.. peeps were getting frustrating trying to give TGC money18:51
+perlDreamerwell, we can't have that18:52
@tavistoum yeah.. that's bad.18:52
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re9e2155 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Handle UTF8 in XML data sent to ITransact. Adds a test. Fixes bug #10855. - http://bit.ly/21wIz18:52
+perlDreameralso, this single thing may have been preventing international adoption of WebGUI18:52
SquOnklol18:52
@tavistooh I see... so now you've given yourself the self-title of master eh?18:52
+perlDreamersince no Asian shops would work with ITransact18:52
+perlDreamerwell, and as we found out, pieces of southern and eastern europe18:53
@tavistowell, I dont understand how that bug would affect domestic orders (2 different ones -- one in WI and the other in CA) but I'll have them give it a shot18:53
+perlDreamerit was what you were saying all along18:54
+perlDreamerproducts with certain international characters were not being handled by some code we use18:55
@tavistooh, I'm not used to being right when suggesting the source of an issue18:55
* perlDreamer looks around for an attack covered by false modesty18:56
@tavistonormally you just magically fix it18:56
@tavisto*poof* all better18:56
+perlDreamerwell, poofage aside, I'll listen to you more carefully next time19:01
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra0d2e98 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Add upgrade path from 7.6.35 to 7.7.17. - http://bit.ly/UMDSe19:02
mducharme-workhrm19:35
mducharme-work7.7 stable release coming soon?19:35
mducharme-workthe "add upgrade path" looks promising :)19:35
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+perlDreamerofficially, I have no comment about upgrades19:46
mducharme-workhehe19:48
SynQduring the hackaton I will work on the WRE19:51
SynQis there a restaurant where you can eat those beer-cows in Madison19:52
SynQ?19:52
SynQ*diner* bbl19:52
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* perlDreamer heads to the gym20:09
SynQah20:37
SynQthat was a nice diner20:37
mducharme-work?20:53
mducharme-workwhere?20:54
mducharme-workdiners don't normally serve the healthiest food...20:54
SynQdinner20:54
SynQdiner20:54
SynQa nice dinner that was20:54
mducharme-workahh dinner20:54
mducharme-workok lol20:54
SynQdiner is the french original word for dinner20:55
SynQwhich is also used in dutch20:55
SynQas an alternative posh word for dinner20:55
SynQhence the confusion20:55
SynQis there going to be a 7.7 stable release candidate before the real thing will be released as stable20:59
SynQ?20:59
SynQso that we can 'test' the upgrade path20:59
SynQand fix it before we call the upgradepath robust?21:00
@Haargdue to the nature of the upgrades i'm not sure that is possible.  but it should be testable as it exists right now.21:01
SynQah21:01
SynQwho is testing the upgrade and on what kind of sites?21:01
carograyI know I have had this answer before. but I just can't keep it all together. Ddoes something have to be turned on or something done at DNS end for a mail form on PB server to actually send mail or will it do it all by itself without having to do anything?21:01
SynQsince webgui.org is allready 7.7 that cannot be used as an 'upgrade testbed'21:02
@Haargas long as you configure the dataform correctly it should send mail21:02
SynQonce 7.7 goes stable, is PlainBlack going to upgrade all their sites from 7.6 to 7.7 that same day?21:03
SynQor is PB going to wait for feedback on that?21:03
@Haargi'm not sure of the plan for that.  it won't be immediately, but it will be pretty soon after.21:03
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@preactionperlDreamer: what's the plan for today?21:44
SynQshout shout let it all out22:09
SynQcom'on22:09
+perlDreamerHaarg: how does a stable release differ from a regular ol' maintenance release?22:11
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+perlDreamerSynQ: I've tested upgrading a dev site, and it worked well22:30
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SynQperlDreamer: 'a dev site'22:32
SynQhow many?22:33
+perlDreamer122:33
+perlDreamermysql -u -p < docs/create.sql22:33
SynQwith how much variation in content and past upgrades22:33
+perlDreamernone22:33
SynQdo you think that suffies?22:34
+perlDreamerif I had something better to work with, I'd use it22:35
SynQis that a yes?22:36
+perlDreamerSynQ: it doesn't provide 100% coverage of the upgrade script.  So logically, no.22:36
SynQwell22:36
SynQthat is still a political answer22:37
SynQwhat does your gut feeling say?22:37
SynQif you are confident that this suffies so am I22:38
+perlDreamerSynQ: I certainly wouldn't mind testing it on a site with Thingy, EMS, Products, ThingyRecord, CS, Poll, Survey, DataTables, Calendars and Shop.22:38
SynQbut if you feel uneasy about it22:38
SynQcome on22:39
* perlDreamer is normally always a fan of more testing22:39
SynQare you a politician?22:39
+perlDreamerno, I'm a developer with finite resources22:39
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SynQhehe22:39
SynQand you feel I'm driving you into a corner22:39
+perlDreameryes22:40
SynQI'm sorry about that22:40
SynQthat is not my intention22:40
+perlDreamerif you're willing to volunteer a site dump and upgrades, I'd run the upgrade script on it22:40
SynQI just want to know what your gut feeling is22:40
+perlDreamerhonestly, I'm about 85% confident in it22:40
SynQif you say 'I would just use this upgrade script on all my production sites' I'm satisfied22:40
SynQok22:41
SynQthat is a great answer22:41
SynQnow I can ask the following question :)22:41
SynQwhat would have to be done to get that extra 15% out of it?22:41
@preactionmore testing in the field. which won't happen until we call it stable22:41
+perlDreamerI need a site with the aforementioned features22:41
SynQand how much resources would that cost?22:41
+perlDreamerit's time, and access to sites who are willing to volunteer for an upgrade22:42
SynQpreaction: isn't that normally what release candidates are for?22:42
@preactiondoes anybody actually use RCs?22:42
SynQI have a shop site that can be upgraded22:42
SynQpreaction: yes22:42
SynQI do22:42
SynQon my 'toy' systems22:43
SynQsites like www.gevat.nl22:43
SynQbut if you call it RC22:43
SynQat least you are communicating that you are not very sure yet that it will work22:43
SynQwhich is fair to the users I think22:43
+perlDreamerthat's why we call it "beta"22:44
@preactionis that what "beta" is?22:44
SynQno22:44
SynQin the WebGUI sense of 'beta' 22:44
SynQbeta is 'a product that contains new features that are not done yet22:44
SynQbut there is no 'beta' upgrade script to get from 'stable 7.6' to 'stable 7.7'22:45
SynQwhich worries me22:45
SynQthere is only one22:45
SynQtested on only one non production site22:45
SynQbut if perlDreamer says 85%22:45
SynQthat is good enough for me22:45
+perlDreamerSynQ, so if the upgrade script was released at stable-1, you'd be happier?22:46
SynQI do think however that it is fair to communicate that 15% to the other users22:46
+perlDreamerthat's just my opinion22:46
@preactionso talk in the Presidents' meeting about a better RC schedule. right now I have no choices, it's no use to keep WebGUI as beta, there are no more shallow bugs to be found22:46
SynQperlDreamer: no22:46
SynQpreaction: my consern can be taken away by providing an upgrade script from 'stable 7.6' to 'stable 7.7'.+122:47
SynQwhich contains bugfixes for the things that where broken in the first version of the upgrade script22:47
@preactionif there is a problem in the upgrade script from 7.6-7.7, there will be fixes in the next 7.7 release22:48
SynQperlDreamer: there should not be 'only one' version of the upgrade script22:48
@preaction(as well as gotchas and most likely a patch if you want to use it)22:48
SynQI know that22:48
SynQperhaps I should give up allready22:49
SynQok22:49
SynQI give up22:49
SynQjust release it22:49
@preactioni'm not the right person to be talking to really, consensus in the presidents' meeting will be more productive22:49
SynQpreaction: but won't that be after the fact :)22:49
@preactionyes, but we've got a lot ahead of us to improve on22:50
SynQtrue22:50
SynQjust to resume: I'm very happy with perlDreamer's 85% gut feeling :)22:50
+perlDreamerperlDreamer's gut would be happier with 100%, but will have to do with another slice of pizza for lunch22:51
SynQbut I'll hold up upgrading my clients sites till after the wuc22:51
SynQjust to make sure I'm not spending all WUC fixing broken things :)22:51
SynQI rather drink beer with you guys22:53
+perlDreamerI think I'll do the same thing22:53
+perlDreamerexcept that I don't have any client sites22:53
SynQhehe22:55
SynQI'm glad I don't have to do patspam's upgrades22:55
+perlDreamerthat kristi is so methodical22:56
+perlDreamerWe have to get her using Selenium22:56
SynQwhat are you referring to?22:57
SynQkristi is a dear22:57
SynQperlDreamer: have you noticed the karma list recently?22:57
SynQwith ning above you22:57
+perlDreamerNo, I haven't.  Good for ning!22:57
SynQthe design contest is over22:57
SynQwithout any bells and wistles22:58
+perlDreamerat least there was more than 1 entry22:59
SynQthat is true22:59
SynQah22:59
SynQmy parents are over 22:59
SynQI'll be back after coffee22:59
SynQ~22:59
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carograyHaarg: thanks for replying back when I saw you replied but didn't read carefully enough to notice it was to me... I have now tested and at the email function does work - still working on styling the form though, but function is #1 priority.23:13
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+perlDreamerDatePicker is fixed.23:19
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r13c588f / (2 files in 2 dirs): 23:22
CIA-53webgui: Fix the DateTime form control, to actually update the time when changed23:22
CIA-53webgui: in the text box. - http://bit.ly/Qn9WP23:22
+perlDreamerstarting regression tests23:34
+perlDreamerregressions pass, except for Macro/UsersOnline23:50
+perlDreamerthat could be a leaking test before it23:50
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dionaksweet!00:12
SynQdionak: that's me, I can't help it ;)00:13
SynQbut I can assure you that my daughter is even sweeter00:13
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CIA-53webgui: Doug Bell master * r81a256b / (5 files in 3 dirs): fixed codearea to work better and more compatible - http://bit.ly/DWUtH00:22
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2703deb / (t/Asset/AssetVersion.t t/Asset/Asset_version.t): Use a consistent naming convention for Asset tests. - http://bit.ly/182UWh00:42
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+BartJolperlDreamer: and, did you make that tall sales person happy00:58
+perlDreamertavisto should be happier00:59
+perlDreameralthough he didn't say anything...00:59
+perlDreamerperhaps he's waiting for someone to hot patch his server for him with that bug fix00:59
+BartJoland you wouldn't?01:00
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CIA-53webgui: When purging an asset, clean up all version tags for this asset, which may01:22
CIA-53webgui: contain only this asset. Fixes #10872 - http://bit.ly/2GlEV01:22
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+perlDreamerBartjol: I don't have root access _everywhere_ :)01:34
+BartJolBut I found some cool sailing pictures01:35
+BartJolno?01:35
+perlDreamernot yet01:35
+BartJolstrange01:35
+perlDreamerwhat cool sailing pictures?01:35
+BartJolhttp://www.fotoboot.nl/fotos/zzr09/slides/ZZR-2119.html01:35
+BartJolhttp://www.fotoboot.nl/fotos/zzr09/slides/ZZR-2191.html01:36
+BartJolI'm he one on the ftont in the black jacket01:36
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+perlDreamerit's too bad they put the watermark right on your face01:38
+BartJolwell, if I pay, they will remove it01:38
+BartJolbut it gives an impression on why I walk crooked01:39
+perlDreamercrooked?01:40
+BartJolwith some slope01:40
+perlDreamerah, because you're a sailor01:41
+perlDreameryou're not walking crooked, the earth is too flat01:41
+BartJolyes, I'm used to a floor that has a slope of 40 degrees01:41
+BartJoland moves01:41
+perlDreameryou could build your house that way, for comfort01:41
+BartJolwhen I drink I compensate for that ;)01:42
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CIA-53webgui: Provide a way for tests to purge assets with all their (hidden and unreachable)01:42
CIA-53webgui: version tags. Fix Survey.t that was leaking versionTags. - http://bit.ly/1uASP801:42
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CIA-53wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rd1f8ef2 / wre/var/setupfiles/wre.conf : Annotate the next expected version. - http://bit.ly/6dsaf01:47
CIA-53wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * re646eb1 / (4 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/wrebuild - http://bit.ly/13J6UT01:47
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+perlDreamerwhat the heck was that?01:51
CIA-53webgui: Graham Knop master * r6f3980a / (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed #10838: Forwarded forum post email to new CS adds reply to original thread - http://bit.ly/sirXH01:52
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+BartJolwhat?01:52
+perlDreamerthat 2nd git commit note01:52
+perlDreamerwhen we go to git, I'm afraid I'm going to be a walking disaster for a while01:53
+BartJolwell, you'll be ok01:54
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+perlDreamerfirst regression on source install passes01:58
+perlDreamertime to look at WRE01:58
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SDuensinpreaction - I'm staying on the Colloquy guys until that stupid notice issue is fixed.  :-)02:35
@preactionheh, good luck02:37
SDuensinhttp://colloquy.info/project/ticket/154702:38
SDuensinGot the guy in IRC now.02:38
+cap10morganSDuensin: i hope you convince them! seems like every other IRC client has this figured out. but colloquy is different (and worse) for no good reason.02:45
SDuensinYou all need to pop over to #Colloquy and join the complaints.  And add to my ticket!02:46
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+perlDreamerwhat if I don't use Colloquy?02:51
SDuensinPretend.  :-P02:51
+perlDreamerHa!02:52
+perlDreamerhey, are you going to let me into your server so I can check out this funky, unreproducible package bug?02:52
SDuensinJust close it.  Mark it "user is insane" or something.  :-P02:52
+perlDreamerokay03:15
+perlDreamerI think you're missing out, though03:15
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carograyI haven't finished yet, but I have finally almost finished. The penny has dropped thanks to the configure your own website and the WebGUI demos, but I couldn't have done it all if it weren't for you lot here on the support board. I am off to bed, but will be able to sleep through the night knowing I am nearly finished and would not be in this place if it weren't for you guys here on the support board. THANKYOU!!!! and goodnight wit06:06
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+perlDreameryay!  one less bug06:46
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+perlDreamergo KlausH go!07:56
+perlDreamer88.8 %07:56
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r21f4bb1 / docs/gotcha.txt : Add note about minimum upgrade requirements. - http://bit.ly/fXWgM08:02
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra259d1e / docs/gotcha.txt : 19 > 17 - http://bit.ly/14B6qK08:02
@Haargi rather like the look of this module: http://search.cpan.org/~nuffin/Try-Tiny-0.01/lib/Try/Tiny.pm08:15
@Haargwould be nice to use as long as moose isn't an option08:15
+perlDreamerMoose has try/catch syntax in it?08:19
@Haarghttp://search.cpan.org/~ash/TryCatch-1.001001/lib/TryCatch.pm08:20
@Haargit's a really nice exception catching module.  but it requires moose, devel::declare and some other things.08:21
+perlDreamerthat's pretty heavy08:25
SynQwell08:25
SynQI say we try and see if that is not too much trouble to put unto the WRE at the hackaton08:26
SynQok?08:26
+perlDreamerSynQ: I am happy to report that one production site has been upgraded from 7.6 to 7.7 with no issues08:26
@Haargwhich?08:26
SynQmoose08:26
@Haargheh08:26
SynQperlDreamer: how many % does that add to your confidence? 5? :)08:27
+perlDreamerputting it into the WRE, and having permission to use it in WebGUI are totally different things08:27
@Haargi doubt there would be any reason it wouldn't install fine08:27
SynQperlDreamer: true, but it helps08:27
@Haargthe issue is still memory usage, which i'm not convinced is a real problem08:27
SynQHaarg: for that we would have to make an overview of how much mem each currently used perl module uses08:28
SynQand see what we can shave off of the WRE08:28
@Haargthere's not much that could easily be removed08:29
@Haargall of our prereqs are there for a reason.08:29
SynQI know08:29
SynQI didn't say it would be easy08:29
mducharme1webgui.org is currently undergoing maintenance?08:29
+perlDreameryes08:29
+perlDreamerlong, slow, painful maintenance08:29
mducharme1upgrade to 7.7?08:30
+perlDreamerwg.org is always the latest version of WebGUI08:30
+perlDreamerit's been 7.7 for a while08:30
SynQtime for breakfast08:30
+perlDreamerpannenkoeken?08:30
SynQah now08:30
SynQbread or cornflakes with milk08:30
mducharme1ahh08:30
SynQI'll be back08:31
mducharme17.7.19 stable release tomorrow?08:31
+perlDreamershould be tonight08:31
mducharme1looks like that from the updates above..08:31
mducharme1ahh08:31
+perlDreamerit's still today here08:31
+perlDreamerit's not tomorrow yet08:31
@Haargthe thing with moose is that it adds something like 5MB to the memory usage.  but that should be pre-fork so it shouldn't really matter.08:35
+perlDreamerwould we have to write some glue code so that Moose could use Crud as an ORM?08:42
+perlDreameror would we also have to start using DBIx::Class or something?08:42
@preactionmoose is just an object system. Crud would use Moose08:43
@preactioncrud could also use DBIx::Class08:43
@preactionor Crud could BE DBIx::Class (my mistake for not realizing that sooner)08:43
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r36dd8ee / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.7.20 development. - http://bit.ly/3ww9Qp09:13
+perlDreamer7.7.19 is stable09:18
+perlDreamer'night all09:18
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+cap10morganwhoa, 7.7.19 is stable!? sweet. thanks team!16:41
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+perlDreamermorning, all17:40
daviddelikat1mornin17:40
+perlDreameris everybody busy upgrading to the latest stable this morning?17:41
daviddelikat1no, I'm trying to earn some money17:41
+perlDreamerthat's good, too17:43
daviddelikat1kinda quiet this morning17:45
+perlDreamerwe were all up late last night for the stable release17:48
+perlDreamerexcept for bartjol, who was up late last night doing translations17:49
daviddelikat1I saw the new git repo17:49
+bartjolI did 1 site17:49
daviddelikat1I'll have to get my dev system converted17:49
daviddelikat1unfortunately nothing seems to be working at my dev site so I can't get anything done...17:50
CIA-53webgui: Graham Knop master * r4bf6180 / (4 files in 3 dirs): change versions to 7.8.0 - http://bit.ly/18Dw5617:50
+perlDreamernothing seems to be working?17:51
daviddelikat1well, nothing that relates to what I need to fix...17:52
+perlDreamerwhat's going on?17:52
daviddelikat1im not sure17:52
+perlDreamerI'm somewhat familiar with WebGUI, I may be able to help you sort it out.17:52
daviddelikat1i hope i can fix it soon though17:52
+bartjolI did the translations today actually17:53
daviddelikat1well, when I click on a ticket the loadign box just sits there... no ticket...17:53
daviddelikat1and there are no errors17:53
daviddelikat1oops, I had a breakpoint set in firebug...17:54
daviddelikat1hate it when that happens17:54
+perlDreameryeah17:54
+bartjolperlDreamer: somewhat familiar? I thought you were the master of Gooeys17:54
daviddelikat1hes being modest17:55
daviddelikat1it never really works17:55
daviddelikat1because people see right through it17:55
+perlDreamerI spent about half an hour looking up key bindings so I could debug the DatePicker17:55
+bartjolso? what do you want to prove?18:05
+perlDreamerjust empathasizing with FireBug stuff18:06
+perlDreamerI was trying to use the debugger18:06
+perlDreamerbut the JS widget I was debugging had an onChange action setup18:06
+perlDreamerso I'd make a change, try to click the debugger controls, which would make the form lose focus18:07
+perlDreamerand clicking in the form would call onChange again18:07
+perlDreamerso I had to track down the keyboard bindings18:07
+perlDreamerwhich aren't documented in FireBug itself, but in a webpage in their docs18:07
daviddelikat1does the safari debugger do any better?18:07
daviddelikat1the problem with firebug is that it is written in javascript18:08
daviddelikat1and it causes some things to happen just by using it...18:08
+perlDreamerpreaction's blog post would indicate that the safari debugger rocks18:09
daviddelikat1but is is implemented in JS?  I have not used it much,  but I think that it is, and so would suffer most of the same issues18:10
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@Haargi would expect it isn't18:10
daviddelikat1the design might be better, but...18:10
daviddelikat1I guess I'll have to try using it more18:10
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@Haargi haven't actually used safari's, but firebug's debugger is pretty poor.18:11
daviddelikat1the only really good debugger will be integrated into the JS engine18:12
daviddelikat1of course that can be done badly as well18:12
@Haargwell, firebug is using the hooks designed for js debugging that are built in to the javascript engine.18:17
daviddelikat1oddly enough I probably don't know enough about this to have a valid opinion about it...18:19
daviddelikat1I just can't seem to get any decent debugging like I do in C and other favored languages...18:20
+perlDreamerC been around a bit longer18:21
+perlDreamerbut yeah, you'd think they could leverage it18:21
@Haargi still tend to not use debugging at all.  i always end up just sticking warns, alerts, etc around in code to test stuff.18:21
@Haarglast time i did much interactive debugging was visual basic18:21
daviddelikat1I find that messages are better also, I just don't seem to be able to get things to work in JS18:22
CIA-53wrebuild: JT Smith master * r280878c / wre/docs/install.txt : made a note about wre console port - http://bit.ly/bvRdO18:22
CIA-53wrebuild: JT Smith master * r78ff9bb / (2 files): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/wrebuild - http://bit.ly/199rZB18:22
daviddelikat1a functions gotta get called before it puts up any messages...18:22
daviddelikat1one of the curses of event driven programming18:22
+perlDreamergit pull will fetch&merge all branches, or only the branch I'm currently in?18:23
@Haargjust the current branch18:23
+perlDreamerand similarly with push?18:25
@Haargyes18:25
@Haargyou can push arbitrary branches by doing 'git push origin master webgui-7.7'18:25
@Haargwhich pushes master and webgui-7.7 to origin, which is the default name of the remote you cloned from18:26
@Haargwait18:27
@Haargsorry, i forgot i configured mine differently18:28
@Haarg'git push' by default will push all matching branches18:28
@Haargso everything you have locally that came from the remote it will push18:28
@Haargit can be configured to do other things though18:29
+perlDreamerpushing everything sounds easy, but dangerous18:29
+perlDreamermaybe we should also have a recommended git config?18:29
@Haargi was just working on that actually18:29
* perlDreamer will proceed slowly and carefully in the meantime18:30
+perlDreameris the capitalization of /data/webgui significant?18:31
@Haargnope18:31
daviddelikat1the simple thing to do ( I think) is only commit what you really want to check in18:31
daviddelikat1cuz if it aint been committed it wont get pushed18:31
+perlDreamerthat's not a bad policy, but there are times that unpushed version history would have helped me a lot18:33
@Haargunpushed version history?18:34
daviddelikat1I can definitely understand that, 18:35
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1b9c2f3 / (3 files in 3 dirs): fix 10838, AdSku template variable help. - http://bit.ly/NArYz18:37
+perlDreamerI was working on some file, then made changes to it, and wanted to revert back to exactly what I had before18:38
+perlDreamerdoing that in SVN is hard18:38
+perlDreamerdoing that in git is easy18:38
+perlDreamerexcept for all the commits which get pushed afterward18:38
+perlDreamerand I understand that those can be squashed if necessary18:38
daviddelikat1so is it possible to tell git to push only a spec commit?18:40
+perlDreamerhow does conflict resolution work in git?18:40
@Haargdaviddelikat1, yes18:42
@Haargfor conflict resolution, you have to be fully up to date before you push18:42
daviddelikat1that seems to me like the next simplest solution18:42
+perlDreamerHaarg, I merged in that commit to the 7.7 branch, and there was a merge conflict in the changelog.18:43
daviddelikat1so git pull/fetch before git push?18:43
@Haargwhen you say merge, you mean cherry-pick or something else?18:43
+perlDreamerso what's the git analogue to "svn resolved"18:43
@Haarggit add18:43
daviddelikat1does the conflict come during a push or commit?18:45
daviddelikat1or pull?18:45
@Haargpull18:45
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra665ef4 / (3 files in 3 dirs): fix 10838, AdSku template variable help. - http://bit.ly/qJO6y18:45
+perlDreamercherry-pick18:45
daviddelikat1seems like any one of the trhee could result in conflict18:45
@Haargor any of the other merge type commands18:45
+perlDreamerI _think_ that was done cleanly18:46
@Haargcommit is local only18:46
@Haargso there isn't really any possibility of a conflict18:46
@Haargpush will only function if you are up to date18:46
daviddelikat1what if I did a fetch?18:46
@Haargfetch only updates the remote branches, not any local tracking branches you have18:46
@Haargyou never make changes to the remote branches themselves18:47
daviddelikat1I thought fetch brought down items without updating the working files..18:48
@Haargthere is basically 'master on github' -> 'origin/master as remote branch (local)' -> 'master, your local tracking branch'18:48
@Haargcorrect18:48
daviddelikat1so I could have something different in my local copy of the repo than is in my working files?18:48
daviddelikat1wouldn't that leave open the possibility of a conflict?18:49
@Haarglocally, you have origin/master.  it represents the last known state of master on the remote system.18:49
@Haargyou never make changes to it directly18:50
@Haargit get updated by a fetch or a push though18:50
@Haargyour local master branch is separate from that18:50
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@Haargyour local master branch is where you commit, and will diverge from origin/master18:50
daviddelikat1so fetch updates local/master but commit updates something else?18:50
daviddelikat1I see18:50
daviddelikat1much clearer18:51
daviddelikat1thanks18:51
@Haargwhen you want to push, it can't work unless origin/master is up to date with the remote system.  i don't remember, but it may do an automatic fetch to make sure of that.18:51
@Haargonce origin/master is up to date, it will merge your changes onto that through various means18:52
@Haargand then push will upload your changes to the remote server and update origin/master and master on the remote system18:53
@HaargperlDreamer, http://gist.github.com/17978218:54
+perlDreameralias.st is in there twice18:55
@Haargdoes that need more explanation?18:55
@Haargoop18:55
+perlDreamerI think people will grok ignoring and colorizing18:56
+perlDreamerbut the tracking and pushing sections could use a little more explanation as to what they will do18:57
@Haargwell18:57
@Haargthe pushing thing makes it so it will push the current branch if it is set up as a tracking branch18:57
@Haargwhich leads into explaining what a tracking branch is18:57
@bopbopup, perldreamer?18:58
@Haargbranch.autosetuprebase remote means when you do a pull, instead of a merge it does a rebase18:58
@bopbopum, I mean...18:58
@bopbopnot up18:58
@bopbopI have a question when you have a chance18:58
+perlDreamerI'm here and ready to apologize for bugs18:58
@bopbop:)18:58
@Haargwhich means it tries to apply your commits to the end of the remote branch instead of just doing a merge18:59
@Haargand you end up with a more linear history18:59
@bopbopcan you go here: http://betatraining.plainblack.com/home/shop/ems18:59
@bopbopand click on schdule18:59
@bopbopschedule18:59
@bopbopsee how it says Special Presenter 2 in all columns?18:59
@bopbopdoes that seem right?18:59
@Haargif you look at the wrebuild history for example, there are lots of 'merged master' commits that don't really add anything and just make the history more confusing.  it would basically eliminate those.19:00
+perlDreamerHaarg: I've been seeing those from CIA.19:00
@Haargyeah19:00
+perlDreamerbopbop, they don't seem right19:00
@bopbopJan 17 looks better 19:00
@bopbopI'll post a bug for now then19:01
+perlDreamerbopbop: yes, but there are empty columns, too19:01
+perlDreamerI'd recommend packaging up that EMS and making a bug report19:01
@bopbopok19:01
+perlDreamerdaviddelikat1, do you have a moment?19:01
daviddelikat1sorry, for snooping bopbop, but how do you like the schedule tables?19:01
daviddelikat1I do19:02
* mducharme-work prepares to upgrade his servers to 7.7....19:02
+perlDreamercould you take a peek at the schedule dispaly on bopbop's site?19:02
+perlDreamerhttp://betatraining.plainblack.com/home/shop/ems19:02
daviddelikat1I'm looking already19:02
@Haarghttp://blog.woobling.org/2009/08/git-rebase-for-impatient.html and http://blog.woobling.org/2009/05/git-rebase-considered-awesome.html explain mostly why i think using rebase for pulls is a good idea19:02
daviddelikat1I couldn't help peaking since I've never seen it in use...19:03
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daviddelikat1does not look ok  to me19:03
@Haargi'm just not certain if i can explain those entries in a concise enough format to make it worthwhile.19:05
mducharme-workhmm in the webgui gotchas file under 7.7.7 it lists:    * WebGUI now requires JavsScript::Minifier::XS 0.0519:06
daviddelikat1Haarg: I think if you just comment that it makes a cleaner history that will suffice19:06
mducharme-workis that supposed to say JavaScript and not JavsScript?19:06
+bartjolmducharme-work: I suspect a type-o19:07
+bartjolfrom testEnvironment.pl: checkModule("JavaScript::Minifier::XS",     "0.05"       );19:09
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mducharme-workok19:11
+perlDreamerHaarg, in that case, just add the links as rationale19:12
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7b15f13 / docs/gotcha.txt : Fix a spelling typo. - http://bit.ly/Di57K19:13
@bopbopdaviddelikat1: I think the look of it is nice...but yeah, it's busted atm19:14
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r0b1f509 / docs/gotcha.txt : Fix a spelling typo. - http://bit.ly/3RFLZI19:14
daviddelikat1I'm not sure what it will do with only one event location, I'm trying it out on my test site19:14
+perlDreamermducharme-work: fixed that typo19:15
mducharme-workperlDreamer: thanks, that was quick :)19:16
mducharme-workare you colin kuskie?19:16
+perlDreamerI am today.19:16
mducharme-worklol19:16
+perlDreamertomorrow, based on the sentiments of Mrs. Kuskie, I could be mud. 19:16
mducharme-workhehe19:17
mducharme-workwoo, well here goes nothing19:17
daviddelikat1theres no shame in mud, we all wear it now and trhen19:17
mducharme-work7.7 here we come19:17
mducharme-workit'd help if I'm running mysql first probably19:17
mducharme-worklol19:17
mducharme-workif mysql was running rather19:17
@HaargperlDreamer, http://gist.github.com/17978219:18
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+perlDreamermducharme-work: one big caveat about upgrading to 7.719:18
+perlDreameryou absolutely must upgrade to 7.6.35 first19:18
mducharme-workI was already on the latest 7.6 version19:18
+perlDreamerand the upgrade from 7.7.18 to 7.7.19 can take a while19:18
mducharme-workwhich was 7.6.35 yes19:19
+perlDreamerthat looks good, Haarg.19:21
daviddelikat1perlDreamer: I have just made an event and mine looks OK, http://delikat.homeip.net:8080/  not sure what to think...19:22
mducharme-workno errors visible in the upgrade output, upgrade is done19:22
mducharme-worktesting sites19:22
+perlDreamerthere's a package of bopbop's EMS in the bug report19:22
mducharme-workwtf is a file pump19:23
mducharme-workheh19:23
daviddelikat1perhaps I will work on that since I cant get help desk to cooperate with me right now...19:23
@preactionHaarg: if you have time, could you add a README file to WGDev with install instructions so that it shows up on github?19:24
+perlDreamerfile pump is a way to reduce page load times19:24
@bopbopdaviddelikat1: you have empty columns, though19:25
+perlDreamerit clumps up and minimizes your javascript, CSS and other files19:25
@Haargi've been meaning to do that.  right now it autogenerates the readme through Module::Build, but that's not a very good way to go19:25
daviddelikat1yes, that can be configured away19:25
@bopbopand where's your badge>19:25
daviddelikat1but at least all the stuff lines up the way it should19:25
daviddelikat1I only added the meeting/ticket item...19:26
@bopbopin mine, the first two dates are goofy, but my last date looks like yours19:26
daviddelikat1it is not quite right either though19:26
daviddelikat1the first column is empty19:26
daviddelikat1I'll try uploading the package you posted with the bug report and see how it goes...19:27
+perlDreameris 7.8 considered a "minor" version?19:27
@preactionyes19:27
@preactionMajor.Minor.Bugfix19:27
@bopbopok, and see how in mine, the column below the location is empty?19:27
+perlDreamerso that means I can fix this: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/1054919:27
@bopbopI'm gonna double check my tickets and make sure I didn't screw anything up in there, but they should be ok19:27
+perlDreamerdaviddelikat1: there's a package of that EMS in the bug report, if you want exactly what bopbop has on her site.19:28
daviddelikat1if there is any problems with the data it should have required a user edit to fix it and so is another bug...19:28
@bopbopAND, my dates are wrong19:28
+perlDreamerbut first, the aforeunmentioned Ad and Ad Sales work!19:29
@bopbopmy tickets are scheduled for September, and the schedule is displaying January19:29
@bopbopI'm headed there next perlDreamer :)19:29
mducharme-workhrm19:29
mducharme-workI have a server that is running the webgui vmware image19:29
mducharme-workI can't install Digest::SHA on it19:29
mducharme-workit says "cc: command not found"19:30
+perlDreamerdid you install a C compiler?19:30
mducharme-workanother guy set this up with the vmware image19:30
@bopbopdaviddelikat1: are you saying report a second bug re. dates?19:30
mducharme-workwhat distro is this running?19:30
mducharme-workheh19:30
+perlDreamerI believe it's CentOS19:30
daviddelikat1i'm looking into it...19:30
@bopbopok19:30
+perlDreamercat /etc/redhat-*19:30
mducharme-workI'm doing a yum install gcc19:31
mducharme-workwill see if that takes care of it19:31
mducharme-workI would imagine cc is just a symlink to gcc19:31
@preactionhttp://www.webgui.org/develop/forum/let-testing-reign <- anybody want to weigh in before the world gets to it?19:32
CIA-53wgdev: translation * r12320 /translations/German/German/PayDriver_ExpressCheckout.pm: Update from translation server19:33
@Haargoop19:34
@Haargpreaction, did you see the stuff i said over skype?19:34
@preactionwhich stuff?19:34
@preactionoh, now i see19:35
@Haargabout upgrades/packages/extras19:35
@preactionyes, that's why i put the quantifier "probably" on my exceptions clause19:35
@preactionthere are those two things that can't be well tested19:35
@preactionsome template changes can't be well tested, especially template CSS compatibility issues19:36
@preactionand testing upgrades is something that i've got an itch i'll be scratching soon i hope19:36
+perlDreamerany exclusions should be documented19:38
+perlDreamereven for Selenium tests19:38
+perlDreamerhow many/which browsers do we have to test in Selenium?19:38
@preactionJT's telling me right now that UI-level tests are exempt19:38
mducharme-workthat did it...19:39
+perlDreamergood :)19:43
mducharme-workwoohoo, now all my servers are running 7.719:44
mducharme-worknow I just have to figure out this storymanager thing19:44
+perlDreamerstart by adding a Story Archive to your site19:45
mducharme-workok, a quick question, about how I can do something with the storymanager19:45
+perlDreamersure!19:45
mducharme-workor rather whether or not I can do something with it19:45
mducharme-workat the moment, my site has a news page.. I have a shortcut on the main page that overrides to one threat per page to only show the topmost news article on the main page19:45
mducharme-worker, thread19:45
mducharme-workis that possible with story manager too?19:46
@preactionyes19:46
+perlDreameryou should be able to shortcut a StoryArchive and do the same thing19:46
@preactionyou can use the Story Topic asset to pull stories from the Story Archives19:47
mducharme-workahh!19:47
+perlDreameror, you could use RSS and the SyndicatedContent asset to do it19:47
mducharme-workthat might be exactly what I want19:47
mducharme-workok19:47
+perlDreamerthis thing is very flexible19:47
daviddelikat1bopbop: 2 of the three events have a blank location19:47
mducharme-workyeah I used to get race conditions with RSS and syndicatedcontent19:47
mducharme-worka long time ago, so I've been nervous about that since19:47
mducharme-workheh19:47
daviddelikat1i'm not sure if this should be dis-allowed, but it seems to me that it should19:48
+perlDreamerwell, locations aren't currently required by EMS.  They're optional.19:50
daviddelikat1that is what I meant by a data bug report19:50
daviddelikat1in that case the schedule needs to be fixed to handle that correctly19:51
daviddelikat1it currently uses the name of the location to fill the cells in the table19:52
daviddelikat1that is why it shows up in all the columns except the one that is not blank19:52
daviddelikat1the one at my dev site has been fixed19:52
daviddelikat1then there is the date issue19:52
+perlDreamermaybe if the location is blank, they should all be lumped into 1 column19:53
daviddelikat1most definitely a bug19:53
+perlDreamerwell...19:53
+perlDreamerthis comes back to the age-old issue of letting the user shoot themselves in the foot.19:53
+perlDreamerif they don't specify a location, and the times clash, the schedule is going to be bad.19:54
@bopbopI entered extra locations19:54
daviddelikat1that is what I thouhg, but the code needs to do something special with the blank location so that it doesn't show up everywhere...19:54
@bopbopit looks better, butt19:54
@bopbopbut19:54
@bopbop:)19:54
@bopbopthe dates are still wrong19:54
@bopbopso, me thinks the date thing is a bug separate from the initial one19:54
daviddelikat1yes19:54
@bopbopsorry, I just submitted an untitled ticket19:57
+perlDreamernp, you can edit it after the fact in admin mode19:58
daviddelikat1I'm working on that too19:58
@bopbopk- I'll do that19:58
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elnino_hi!  what do you guys call the acordion menu that is shown on the left when in admin mode?20:00
+perlDreamerAdmin Bar20:00
+perlDreamerre autocommit, in the settings you can also turn off comments20:00
elnino_i know, i just figured it would be ignored when auto committing.20:01
elnino_sorry so slow in typing, I'm one handed right now. =(20:01
+perlDreamerwhat happened?!20:02
elnino_baby. =)20:02
+perlDreameroh, I thought you'd had a mountain climbing accident or something20:02
+perlDreamererrant use of can opener20:02
+perlDreamerwild dog attack20:02
elnino_so, did you know that the admin bar was missing while in  asset manager? way bak in 7.6.27?20:03
+perlDreameryes, I remember that bug20:03
elnino_lol.  no baby is adventurous enough right now for me. =)20:03
elnino_ok. I didn't want to duplicate a bug report. thanks. 20:04
mducharme-workwha20:04
mducharme-workthere's no way to attach files to a news article with this?20:04
mducharme-workwith the story manager20:04
+perlDreamerno, just images so far.20:04
elnino_s/no/no,20:04
+perlDreamerthat would be a great RFE, though20:05
+perlDreamerand since 7.8 is open for development....20:05
mducharme-workhrm20:06
mducharme-workI can't even seem to attach an image20:06
mducharme-workit asks me for the URL, I paste it in, it doesn't appear20:06
+perlDreamerURL?  That is a URL for the rendered photo to link to20:07
+perlDreameruse the file upload field to add an image to the Story20:07
mducharme-workahh!20:08
mducharme-workso I'm supposed to see a file upload field of some kind20:08
+perlDreameryes20:08
mducharme-workI don't20:08
mducharme-worklol20:08
CIA-53WebGUI: translation * r12321 /translations/German/German/ (3 files): Update from translation server20:09
mducharme-workin neither IE nor firefox20:09
+perlDreamermducharme-work, since I can't see the VM you're using, how about setting up a beta demo site to play with?20:09
+perlDreamerhttp://beta.webgui.org20:09
+perlDreamersetup the Story Archive there, and then give me the URL so i can see what you're seeing20:10
mducharme-workahh20:11
mducharme-workthe webgui demo site has browse and remove buttons for the photo20:12
mducharme-workthose are missing on mine20:12
mducharme-workI cannot replicate the issue with the webgui beta demo site becuase it has those buttons20:12
mducharme-workdo you want a sign in for my site so you can see?20:13
+perlDreamersure!20:13
+perlDreameryou can do that?20:13
mducharme-workyes20:14
mducharme-workI msged you the info20:17
mducharme-workyou should be able to see the problem from there, I have the issue with firefox or IE, doesn't matter which20:17
mducharme-workbizarre, isn't it?20:19
+perlDreamerI see it20:20
+perlDreamerwhich version of 7.7 did you install?20:20
@bopbopcan anyone tell me if there's anything special you have to do before you can use a Paypal payment method in Shop? Is there a merchant account or anything that you have to get from them?20:20
mducharme-workwhatever the current stable is20:20
mducharme-workthe buttons are missing on my other server too20:22
mducharme-workall the websites I'm running are missing the buttons20:22
mducharme-workbrowse and remove...20:22
+perlDreamerI have a handle on it, and I'm tracking it down20:22
* SynQ hugs preaction 20:33
@preactioner... hi20:35
SynQhttp://www.webgui.org/develop/forum/let-testing-reign20:35
SynQfor that post only I'll buy you a beer20:35
@preactionyeah, i guessed ;)20:35
+perlDreamerah, but will you write tests? ;)20:40
SynQperlDreamer: in fact, I would like you to help me to write some WRE related tests during the hackaton20:40
SynQif you please20:40
+perlDreamerI'm already 3-booked, but I'll do what I can :)20:41
SynQhow many tentacles have you got?20:41
+perlDreamer220:41
SynQthat's odd20:41
SynQI thought you where mr. gooey himself20:41
+perlDreamerI compensate for my disability by typing fast20:42
SynQah20:42
SynQI compensate by speaking fast ;)20:43
SynQbut now its dinnertime20:43
ckotilI was getting wierd Linux::Smaps errors in modperl.error, will adding $Apache2::SizeLimit::USE_SMAPS = 0;21:00
ckotilcause me any headaches?21:00
@Haargit shouldn't21:01
mducharme-workperldreamer is it something wrong in the code, or something with the database21:02
+perlDreamerit's in the database, a template to be exact21:02
ckotilk. also im seeing a lot of httpd process too big, exiting messages. is it safe to raise the max_process size value in modperl.pl ?21:02
ckotilor should i just ignore those messages all together?21:02
@preactionprovided the SECONDS is over 1000, that's fine21:04
@preactionif it's under 1000, you might want to raise it21:04
ckotilseconds is set to 521:05
ckotilcheck every 5 seconds. these are stock values in the 0.93 wre21:05
@preactionno, in the message21:05
@preactionin the config, it's REQUESTS, and that's set to 521:05
ckotilah, yes, it is.21:05
ckotilexiting at SIZE=80896/100000 KB  SHARE=2512/0 KB  UNSHARED=78384/75000 KB  REQUESTS=6 LIFETIME=0 seconds21:06
ckotilive got a navigation asset doing a lot of work ;)21:06
@preactionyeah, you want to raise the unshared size21:07
@Haargyou will want to raise the unshared limit21:08
ckotilk. ill give it a shot. thanks guys/21:08
@Haargthe problem is that since Smaps isn't available, it can't detect the shared portion properly21:08
ckotilyah, the issue with smamps is a bug in rhel.21:08
ckotilwebgui couldnt open the /proc/####/smaps file. because of read permissions21:09
ckotilsmaps was owned by root, and httpd runs as user webgui.21:10
@Haargyeah21:10
ckotilhttps://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=32288121:17
ckotilnot much movement on this in a good while21:18
ckotilnot seeing the httpd child process killed messages anymore.21:27
+perlDreamerat this rate, Red Hat is going to make a pretty convincing argument to start using Ubuntu21:32
mducharme-workor opensuse21:33
+perlDreamerwell, not for me21:33
+perlDreamerI used Suse for a while, and I don't like the way they do config files21:33
mducharme-workI use suse for just about everything except webgui21:33
ckotilwe're all rhel21:35
+perlDreamerRH's perl has major speed issues running PerlCritic code21:36
+perlDreamerI have a perl script that runs in 40 minutes21:36
+perlDreamerit only take somebody on MacOS a few minutes to run it21:36
+perlDreamerand the problem is known, and posted on RHEL's boards21:37
ckotilthe bless overload bug?21:38
+perlDreameryeah, that one21:38
ckotilor something new21:38
mducharme-workthe config structure in apache in suse is quite complicated21:38
ckotili believe it's fixed now21:38
mducharme-workit makes sense once you get used to it21:38
mducharme-workbut at first it's very complicated21:38
mducharme-workheh21:38
+perlDreamerckotil, then maybe the issue is only in Fedora Core21:39
ckotilthe fix came out only a few months ago for the latest red hat21:39
+perlmonkey2well crap, the svn repo is now defunct?22:02
@Haargyes22:02
+perlmonkey2Any useful guides for converting the svn local to git?22:03
+perlmonkey2or just regrab it?22:03
@preactionjust regrab it, you can't convert22:03
+perlDreamerregrab, it's pretty fast22:03
+perlmonkey2aye aye22:04
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+perlmonkey2does the git repo contain a 7.6 branch?22:17
+perlmonkey2would be really nice to just be able to git checkout 7.622:18
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+perlDreamerit has 7.5, 7.6, 7.7, flux and several other branches22:21
@Haargit does contain a 7.6 branch, but there won't be any new releases from that branch22:25
@preactionflux should probably be a fork22:28
@Haargthe main reason flux and crypt are there is so i could get the svn part in line with the git part.  patspam is free to do with them as he likes now.22:32
@Haargpreaction (or anyone else), if you have any git-svn branches and would like to move them over to the real git repo let me know22:33
@preactioni'll make a fork for mine, better that way22:34
@preactionthe webgui project should have only mainline stuff22:34
@Haargwhere you push them to doesn't really matter, i just mean if they have more changes than you want to deal with in patch form, moving the commits to the new repo22:35
@preactionah, no, i should be able to handle it (but if i can't, i'll let you know)22:36
@preactionthough perhaps my collaboration-fixes branch should get moved22:36
@preactionisn't the git-svn a normal git repo? couldn't i push the branches to matching branches in my own fork?22:37
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@Haargit is a git repo, but it doesn't have the same history22:37
@preactionahh22:37
@Haargyou wouldn't want to just merge them together for instance.  you'd want to use some variation of rebase.22:38
@preactionright, i keep forgetting about rebase22:38
@Haargprobably with the --onto option22:39
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+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: I think your gist took down github.23:12
+perlDreamerhuh?23:13
mducharme-worktracked down the cause yet, perlDreamer?23:13
+perlmonkey2I saw the rss of your gist, went to github, saw it was down.23:13
+perlDreamermducharme-work: it's something with the merged upgrade package23:13
+perlDreamerstill tracking it down, to make sure it wasn't a widespread problem23:13
mducharme-workok23:15
mducharme-workoh well, I guess that's what I get for being bleeding edge :)23:16
mducharme-workhehe23:16
+perlDreamerif you want to play with it now, track down the Edit Story template inside the Story Archive settings23:16
+perlDreameredit that template23:16
mducharme-worknah I can wait23:16
+perlDreamerchange imgUploadForm to newUploadForm23:16
mducharme-workI set up a story topic to pull stories from the archive but it doesn't seem to pull anything23:16
mducharme-workobviously I did something wrong there23:17
+perlDreamerneed to assign keywords to the story, and the story topic that match23:17
@preactionperhaps if the story topic has no stories, it could show a message that says how to add stories to the topic?23:17
+perlDreamerthat's not a bad idea, but I think the message should only be shown if you're in admin mode23:18
+perlDreamerit's possible for a topic to go empty23:18
+perlDreamerand be valid23:18
@preactioni was thinking if ( $self->canEdit ) { // show message } else { // no message }23:18
@preactionor if $self->canPost or whatever23:19
+perlDreamercan't post to a topic23:19
+perlDreamerbut I think we agree that some kind of permission needs to gate that message23:19
@preactionyou know, i'm starting to miss the online help distributed with webgui23:19
+perlDreamerI think we need to mandate that all new features get 1 wiki page23:20
+perlDreamernot a lot of docs, but at least something to help people out23:20
mducharme-workthe default templates for storymanager are not nearly as nice as the ones shown in that screenshot that was posted online before23:21
@preactioni have a better idea, we can talk about at the WUC. upgrade the translation server to add a Help section, export that as HTML and include it in WebGUI (we removed it only to get rid of the memory it used, which was substantial)23:21
@preactionbut why does Help need to use memory at all? why not make it HTML pages?23:21
mducharme-workhrm I suppose it's not possible to change the time of a news article23:21
mducharme-workon btw perlDreamer when I did the upgrade and it was changing templates, I did get a template not found error23:22
mducharme-workit said skipping23:22
mducharme-workI figured it was nothing at the time23:22
+perlDreamerthat's can be valid.  It's in the gotchas23:22
mducharme-workUnable to instanciate templateId: PBtmpl0000000000000048.  Skipping...DONE!23:22
mducharme-workin case that helps...23:23
mducharme-workI don't suppose it's possible to change the date for a story without manually editing the backend db23:29
+perlDreamerno23:29
+perlDreamerit works on when the story was created, or last edited23:30
mducharme-workeh.. I don't like that23:30
mducharme-workI know collaboration system did the same thing but23:30
mducharme-workit was understandable with something like forums, to not have control over that23:32
mducharme-workperldreamer it looks like the problem is also causing issues with the story display23:37
mducharme-workI'm seeing: Last Updated  ago23:37
mducharme-workBy <blank>23:37
mducharme-workmore wrong variable names in the template, I guess23:37
+perlDreameryes, that's likely23:37
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@tavistoperlDreamer is the man.00:01
+perlDreamertall marketing person is _happy_00:01
@tavistohah I'm almost always happy00:02
@tavistoeven when things run amok00:02
+perlDreamereven if there are Shop bugs?00:02
@tavistowell yeah, then I'm just motivated to get them fixed :)00:02
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mducharme-workaurgh, I hate switching between windows and linux, I keep typing dir in linux and ls in windows00:04
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@Haargi used to have aliases and stuff set up on windows for ls/mv/rm/cp etc00:06
@Haargluckily i haven't had to do a lot of windows command line work in a while00:06
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+perlDreamerwhat's the git equivalent of svn revert -R .00:42
@Haarggit reset --hard HEAD00:43
+perlDreamerthanks00:55
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@preactionHaarg, perlDreamer: Should we put changelog entries for 7.7.20 under 7.7.20 in both branches?01:36
@Haargno01:37
@Haargmaster should have a 7.8.0 heading already01:37
@preactionit does, yes01:37
+perlDreamerit does01:37
@Haargor is that not what you were asking01:37
@preactioni guess i don't know why/how we merge the changelogs01:38
+perlDreamerhow is easy01:38
+perlDreamerit's fixed in two different versions at the same time01:38
+perlDreameronce in 7.8.0, and once in 7.7.2001:38
+perlDreamerwhen you close the bug in the board, you note which versions the bug is fixed in01:39
@preactioneh, i'll just not rock the boat on this one01:39
@Haargi really want to change how we do changelogs but it would probably mean more work when doing a release01:39
+perlDreamerlately, after talks with steveo_aa, I've been adding bug numbers to commits and svn revs to the helpdesk01:40
@preactionthat's a good idea, perlDreamer 01:40
+perlDreamerthe credit goes to steveo_aa.  It would have saved him a lot of log grepping if it was documented more clearly01:41
CIA-53webgui: Doug Bell master * re502e77 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix #10873: Code editor breaks CSS comments - http://bit.ly/3ABRX101:44
CIA-53webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * rf9829e8 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix #10873: Code editor breaks CSS comments - http://bit.ly/10dHVX01:44
@preactionperlDreamer: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10549 <- is this can be closed then?01:53
+perlDreameryes, after the new module is added to testEnv, and the right EMS import routine, with tests01:53
+perlDreameroh, and then we have to tell JT and SynQ so that add it to the WRE01:54
@preactionwe should open those as bugs against the WRE ("Missing new module: Whatever")01:56
@preactionwe should avoid just telling a person something as often as possible, keep things trackable01:56
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+perlDreamerpreaction: but if they use testEnv to validate the WRE, we shouldn't need a separate bug to track that?02:33
@preactiontrue, i guess we don't need it02:41
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SDuensinThe upgrade is scaring me.  It's going nuts!  :-)02:47
+perlDreamerwell, nuts is better than bananas02:47
SDuensinYea.  So far, no bananas.02:48
* SDuensin ain't fallin' for no bananas in the tailpipe.02:48
+perlDreamerwhich part is it going nuts over?02:48
SDuensinPurging things, making fields bigger for more evil JSON in the database, etc.  02:48
+perlDreamerhm.  the part about purging old version tags does take a while02:49
SDuensinPre-packing takes the longest.  Whatever that is.02:49
+perlDreamerah, that's a performance improvement02:49
+perlDreamerit removes whitespace and comments from templates so that less data is sent02:50
SDuensinCool.02:50
+perlDreamerit's good stuff, but converting all the templates takes a bit02:50
+perlDreamerit only happens during the upgrade though02:50
SDuensinI assume when it's purging old templates that it looks to see they're not being used first?02:50
+perlDreamerit updates things that use it to use the new templates02:51
SDuensinCool.  Even better.02:51
SDuensinWish I could attend the WUC.  Sounds like good things are going to be happening.02:53
+perlDreameryeah, it's been quite fun in the past02:53
SDuensinSo does 7.8 follow now, or 8.0?02:54
+perlDreamer7.802:54
SDuensinWas just wondering.  I keep getting Email with Rizen telling everyone that 8 has some spiffy things planned.  I want it now, okay?  :-)02:55
+perlDreamerI'll let him know you said that, when I see him.02:55
SDuensinYea, I know the answer.  :-D02:55
+perlDreamerYou can make contributions to my future hospital bill at... donations@perldreamer.com02:55
SDuensinMy RFC made it past his "ban-hammer".  :-)02:56
SDuensinOK, first site I test is broken.  Whee!02:59
+perlDreamerbut of course02:59
+perlDreameryou didn't say "JSON in the db"02:59
+perlDreamerpreaction: we get danger pay for doing stable releases, right?03:03
SDuensinSomething is very angry here.  I see a mention of Cache/Memcached.pm in the error log.  Is that new?03:04
@Haargthat is a very old module03:06
@HaargWebGUI::Cache::Memcached that is03:06
@Haargi'd recommend deleting it03:06
SDuensinAnd how would you recommend doing that?03:07
SDuensinSyndicated content is timing out, too.03:08
@Haargrm /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Cache/Memcached.pm03:08
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rde28455 / (19 files in 3 dirs): Fix issues with upgrading templates from 7.6.35 to 7.7.19. Fixes #10878. - http://bit.ly/PLXwW03:08
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb6cc484 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'webgui-7.7' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui into webgui-7.7 - http://bit.ly/1E8nwj03:08
+perlDreamerI thought I fixed that...03:09
@Haargthe merge thing?03:09
+perlDreameryes03:10
SDuensinUh, where'd all my RSS feeds go?03:11
+perlDreamerRSS is for ninnies.  We got rid of that.03:13
SDuensinYea, I see that.  :-P03:13
SDuensinThat breaks a LOT of my sites.03:13
+perlDreamerSDuensin, did you read the gotchas?03:13
SDuensinI thought I did.  I'm reading it again.03:14
@HaargperlDreamer: git config branch.webgui-7.7.rebase true03:14
+perlDreamerthanks, Haarg03:15
+perlDreamerSDuensin has found a documentation hole.03:15
+perlDreamerIt is documented that we changed our RSS modules03:15
+perlDreamerbut not what the side effects are03:15
SDuensinIs it?  What release was it?03:15
+perlDreamer7.7.203:15
+perlDreamerSDuensin, please file a bug about that.03:16
SDuensinOk, yea, I see that.03:16
SDuensinNot even sure what the bug is just yet.  How do I put my feeds back?03:16
+perlDreamerAnd I apologize for asking if you'd read the gotchas.  In this case, the info you need isn't in there.03:16
SDuensinNP.  Most people don't read.  I run into that all the time.  :-)03:17
+perlDreamerYou don't.  You'll need to update the feed URLs to the new style.03:17
+perlDreamerit used to provide asset.rss as a URL03:17
SDuensinFrom the source, it looks like a ?option on the URL somewhere.03:17
+perlDreamernow it provides asset?func=viewRSS03:17
SDuensinYea.  Fixing.03:18
+perlDreamerasset?func=viewRss03:18
* perlDreamer goes to make dinner03:18
SDuensinAfter the update, Apache immediately reports:  "server reached MaxClients setting, consider raising the MaxClients setting" after starting it.03:44
SDuensinMy web sites are horrendously slow to respond, too.03:44
SDuensinSeems my "depreciated layouts" all became "Default Page".  Grrr.03:51
+perlDreamerSDuensin: do you think this is clear enough for a notice about the change in RSS URLs?04:25
+perlDreamerhttp://gist.github.com/18006904:25
+perlDreameranyone else who'd like to review that is welcome, as well04:25
SDuensinYea, that's much clearer.04:26
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r206f0bc / docs/gotcha.txt : Update gotcha about changes to RSS. - http://bit.ly/15gSPN04:29
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfe25304 / (4 files in 4 dirs): 04:37
CIA-53webgui: Reorganize AdSpace properties for prices and permissions.04:37
CIA-53webgui: Remove click and impression prices. Remove groupToPurchase.04:37
CIA-53webgui: Expose minimum clicks and impressions to the UI. - http://bit.ly/Cw44r04:37
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3d93120 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/2mcbIM04:37
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7ebd486 / docs/gotcha.txt : Update gotcha about changes to RSS. - http://bit.ly/XaR0H04:37
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r13dd3f3 / (lib/WebGUI/AdSpace.pm t/AdSpace.t): 04:37
CIA-53webgui: Finish updating AdSpace for reorganization.04:37
CIA-53webgui: Remove groupToPurchase, update tests to follow suit. - http://bit.ly/uGVFl04:37
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+perlDreamerpreaction, we should review the gotcha.txt file for any other omissions.04:40
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SDuensinYea, like NUKING LAYOUTS.  :-P04:52
+perlDreamerSDuensin, I'll check, because it's been a while, but doesn't the gotcha list all templates that are being deprecated, and what they are being updated with?04:54
SDuensinWhy were used layouts removed anyway?  Just curious.04:54
@preactionbecause they were tables or other bad HTML practices04:55
SDuensinAnd trashing the appearance of tons of sites was *better*?04:55
@preactionyep04:55
SDuensinCan I have your home phone so I can pass it along to my users?  :-P04:56
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8316643 / lib/WebGUI/Group.pm : Remove group cleanup check for AdSpace group. - http://bit.ly/16y41v04:57
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfea30d0 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/User.pm t/User.t): Fix getProfileUrl, so it works with preventProxyCache. fixes #10877 - http://bit.ly/12HCtk04:57
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r6d836c9 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/User.pm t/User.t): 04:58
CIA-53webgui: Fix getProfileUrl, so it works with preventProxyCache. fixes #1087704:58
CIA-53webgui: Conflicts:04:58
CIA-53webgui:  docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt - http://bit.ly/u7fLj04:58
+perlDreamerpreaction: now that I've fixed a few more bugs and busted all of SDuensin's sites, I'm going to call it a night.04:59
SDuensinhehe04:59
@preactionsounds like an evening04:59
* perlDreamer needs to write some slides, and then celebrate his wedding anniversary05:00
@preactionooh, party time05:00
+perlDreamer14 years today05:00
+perlDreamerI can't believe she's put up with me this long05:00
@preactionshe's a saint05:01
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@Haargyay snow leopard06:57
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+perlDreamermorning, folks17:42
+perlmonkey2good morning17:51
daviddelikat1I am not fond of packages -- as a project development tool17:52
daviddelikat1that is WG packages17:52
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+perlDreamerWG packages do one thing very well, and that is they allow you to port content between sites17:56
+perlDreamerafter that, they leave a lot to be desired17:56
+perlDreamertavisto: no new Shop bugs today?17:57
@tavistoactually there are now 417:57
+perlDreamer4?17:57
@tavistowhatever you did broke lots of other stuff17:57
@tavistojust kidding!17:57
@tavisto;)17:57
+perlDreamerphew17:57
@tavisto<---- evil evil man sometimes17:58
* perlDreamer starts making plans for the tavisto virus18:00
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@tavistoson of ah18:01
+perlDreamerfor now, we'll just start with a little username and profile analysis in WebGUI18:04
+perlDreamerman, has the whole WebGUI world stopped to install Snow Leopard?18:30
@tavistoPB staff shouldnt be doing that18:30
@tavistoJT said that there are several issues with Snow Leopard when it comes to Open Office, and Adobe products18:31
+perlDreamertesting question18:41
+perlDreamerover the years I've accumulated scripts for building assets with children, stuffing inboxes and other tasks.18:41
+perlDreamerit's handy to have them around so that you can quickly have a wiki with lots of pages for testing, for example18:41
+perlDreameris it worth putting them into git?18:42
@Haargin their own repo you mean?18:42
+perlDreamersure, someplace where other people could get to them18:44
@Haargsounds like a good idea to me18:44
+perlDreamerI _almost_ did this with Selenium18:44
@Haargsounds like things i might want to steal to stuff into wgdev18:45
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r04c422c / (3 files in 3 dirs): 18:46
CIA-53webgui: WikiMaster keyword pagination fixes, re # 10856.18:46
CIA-53webgui: Add pagination template variables to the default byKeyword template.18:46
CIA-53webgui: Fix pagination URL for keywords. - http://bit.ly/ATXJD18:46
+perlDreamerhere's one I just made for a stuffed wiki: http://gist.github.com/18036418:47
+perlDreamerHaarg, after resolving a commit, I get an automatic Commit coda add to the commit comments18:49
+perlDreamerdo I just have to manually delete that every time?18:49
@Haargthe conflicts section you mean?18:50
+perlDreameryes18:51
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4ea146f / (3 files in 3 dirs): 18:52
CIA-53webgui: WikiMaster keyword pagination fixes, re # 10856.18:52
CIA-53webgui: Add pagination template variables to the default byKeyword template.18:52
CIA-53webgui: Fix pagination URL for keywords.18:52
CIA-53webgui: Conflicts:18:52
CIA-53webgui:  docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt - http://bit.ly/1GnJel18:52
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9c2fb21 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move package to correct directory for 7.8. - http://bit.ly/PEQYu18:52
@Haargi want to think i saw a hook for that but i'm not certain18:53
@Haargyeah18:55
@Haargmv .git/hooks/prepare-commit-msg.sample .git/hooks/prepare-commit-msg18:56
@Haargchmod +x .git/hooks/prepare-commit-msg18:56
+perlDreamerteach me how to fish, where did you find that?18:56
@Haarggrep -i conflict .git/hooks/*18:57
@Haargi looked through the sample hooks a long time ago so i just remembered it was in there18:57
@Haargyou can do whatever you want with that hook of course18:58
+perlDreamerthe funny thing is, I deleted the Conflict message this time18:58
+perlDreamerI'll watch more closely next time18:58
+perlDreameralso, we have to be careful with merging commits with packages18:58
+perlDreamerbecause when I cherry-picked that last commit, it put it into packages-7.7.20 in the 7.8 branch18:58
@Haargyeah18:59
@Haarghas to be manually handled, but that's pretty much the same as with svn18:59
+perlDreamersvn had its own pain, in that it wouldn't copy it over19:00
mducharme-workit'll probably be another week before 7.7.20 I would imagine?19:03
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+perlDreamerprobably two19:03
+perlDreamerbut I'll speak to the powers that be about that19:04
mducharme-workyou'll probably find more than enough fixes in the first week to justify a release...19:05
+perlDreamerthe only issue is that it's during the WUC, which makes time a premium19:05
mducharme-workI'd rather some things fixed and some things still broken than wait two weeks for everything to be fixed19:05
+perlDreamerme, too :)19:05
+perlDreamerhow can people use my beautiful StoryManager without good templates?19:06
@Haargfor template problems at least you would be able to import the new packages into a 7.7.19 site without running the upgrade19:08
@Haargand it wouldn't cause any later problems19:08
+perlDreamersure, importing them twice won't hurt19:08
+perlDreamerbut, this experience has taught me something really important19:08
+perlDreamerall along, we've said that webgui.org and PB.com can be used as benchmarks for upgrades19:08
+perlDreamerand that's not strictly true19:09
+perlDreamerthose sites never take the shunt upgrades19:09
daviddelikat1Haarg: I'm trying to restore some stuff from git stash but it tells me: 'Cannot restore on top of a dirty state'19:09
daviddelikat1git diff says there is no diff19:09
@Haargyou have modified files19:09
@Haargwhat about git status?19:09
daviddelikat1do you know how to figure out what is causing it?19:09
@Haargor git diff --cached19:10
daviddelikat1git status shows some untracked files19:10
daviddelikat1git diff cached shows no difference19:10
@Haargdoes the stash entry have anything related to those untracked files?19:11
daviddelikat1the untracked files were there when I created the stash19:11
@Haargyou can use git stash show or git stash show -p to see what is in the stash19:12
@Haargnot sure about the dirty state thing if you have no changes19:12
@Haargyou could try git reset --hard HEAD19:12
@Haargwhich will reset everything to the state of the last commit19:13
@Haargso if git is confused about something that should clear it up i would think19:13
daviddelikat1one of the files was a swap file from vi once I closed the vi session the git stash pop worked...19:14
daviddelikat1would it help if swap files were in the ignore list?19:15
@Haargyes19:16
@Haargyou might want to look at my post on the dev list for some recommended config stuff19:16
daviddelikat1ok19:17
+perlDreamermerging and cross-porting commits is easier in git19:18
+perlDreamerand it seems faster than svn, at least on my laptop19:19
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7d74429 / (19 files in 3 dirs): Fix issues with upgrading templates from 7.6.35 to 7.7.19. Fixes #10878. - http://bit.ly/u3oBu19:19
@Haarg000001000001000045000014.json ?19:21
+perlDreameroh yeah19:21
+perlDreamer000001000001000045000014.json is critical to the recovery process for those templates19:22
+perlDreamerthis would mean a little more work during release, but what would happen if we named the packages directory for this release "current", and then it gets renamed to be version specific after release?19:25
@Haargafter?19:25
@Haargso it would be named current in the tarball?19:25
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+perlDreamerhm19:25
+perlDreamermaybe some of the fine details need to be worked out19:26
+perlDreamerhow about just before the release?19:26
+perlDreamerbut you see the goal?19:26
@Haargi see it but i'm not sure it will work out19:26
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3632c87 / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.0/000001000001000045000014.json : Remove extra JSON file. - http://bit.ly/IDCVf19:26
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r744c24f / docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.20/000001000001000045000014.json : Remove extra JSON file from packages dir. - http://bit.ly/pg6zm19:26
JDanLittle question about packages. I exported package to file. Next I imported it to other site. I see new wobjects at Asset Tree. But when I try to view new page system show message "The page you have requested does not exist. What would you like to do?"19:28
+perlDreamerJDan: do you have uncommitted version tags?19:29
+perlDreameralso, check the log for any helpful error messages19:29
daviddelikat1the new package should also show up in the admin bar under new content--packages19:29
daviddelikat1after you import the package you still have to create a copy of it on a page somewhere19:29
+perlDreamerI thought it deployed right away?19:30
JDanMy site has set "Commit Without Approval"19:31
daviddelikat1mine never do19:31
JDanThere are no any errors at logs19:31
+perlDreamerJDan, if there was an error during import, the autocommit may not have been triggered19:32
+perlDreamerand WebGUI can error silently19:32
JDanBut why assats are at assat tree. I see subpages in /root/home subtree19:33
mducharme-workperldreamer yeah I find the storymanager basically unusable at the moment with the issues......19:33
+perlDreamerI'll see about appending the packages that fix the problem to the bug later today, so then can be downloaded19:34
JDanok. I have another problem with communications error which I don't know how to solve. I scande all forums and articles. Nothnig special for my case. I'll sent new post to forum and describe ...19:37
JDanthanks19:37
+perlDreamerJDan: which version of WebGUI are you using?19:43
JDantoday I upgrated to 7.7.1919:43
JDanI had hope meny problems go away19:43
JDanWRE compiled on Debian Leny from source 0.9.319:44
JDanpracticaly dedicated for WebGUI server19:44
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+perlDreamerHaarg: account CSS seems to be split between 2 files19:47
@Haargis it actually split?19:48
+perlDreamerI believe that the templates pull CSS elements from both19:48
@Haargwhen i looked at it last it was mostly a duplicate19:48
@Haargand then it has a yui css file copied into it as well19:49
+perlDreamerthat's the one in extras, or the snippet?19:50
+cap10morganfor ldap groups, can you use an OU as a group?20:00
+cap10morgani.e. it doesn't have member attributes, it contains the actual user records20:00
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@HaargperlDreamer, the one is extras.  i may have been wrong about the copy thing actually20:43
@Haarg*in20:43
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@bopbopin the display tab for assets, there is a printable style template- out of curiosity, what needs to be done to make the printable version of a page available- is there a macro or some kind of template variable?21:30
@bopbopis it ^r();21:31
@bopbopnm, answered my own question21:32
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rcdb7fd2 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix pagination for keywords listing in Story Archive. Fixes bug #10890. - http://bit.ly/3aVwRr22:42
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re9068ef / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix pagination for keywords listing in Story Archive. Fixes bug #10890. - http://bit.ly/16B7Xi22:43
+perlDreamerif changelog entries are made at the bottom of the list, then the conflicts go away22:46
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbdfe44d / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix EMS registrant lookup template JS bug #10884. - http://bit.ly/Z2Ieo22:50
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r655d9bd / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix EMS registrant lookup template JS bug #10884. - http://bit.ly/LD0H222:50
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r4bec356 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move packge to correct upgrade directory. - http://bit.ly/13LaeK22:50
ckotilwebsite is down22:59
ckotilpb anyway22:59
ckotilwg too22:59
@Haargi'm working on it22:59
ckotilcool23:01
@Haargshould be fixed now23:02
ckotillooks good23:02
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mducharme-workhrm.. can the new storymanager group by month/year without having them as keywords?23:20
+SynQwhat is the weather like in Madison?23:22
+perlDreamermducharme-work: what do you mean by "group"?23:23
+perlDreamerSynQ: http://www.weather.com/weather/local/USWI0411?lswe=Madison,%20Wisconsin&from=searchbox_localwx23:26
mducharme-workperlDreamer: like this: http://www.novell.com/news/press/23:26
+perlDreamerokay, it won't sort by press releases vs news briefs23:27
+perlDreamerand by default, it groups news by day23:27
+SynQperlDreamer: is that T-shirt weather?23:27
mducharme-workI don't need it to sort by press releases vs news briefs23:27
+perlDreamerSynQ: and shorts, if you've have cute legs23:27
mducharme-workI just like the way month/year thing works on that page23:27
+SynQperlDreamer: no chance, hairy ones23:28
mducharme-workfor looking at older news articles23:28
+perlDreamermducharme-work: for something without a lot of news, less granularity is nice23:28
+SynQtime for bed23:29
+SynQwhat time is it in madison now23:29
+perlDreamer3:40pm23:29
+SynQah23:29
mducharme-worktrue, but it would be nice if there could be configurable "group by" levels23:29
+SynQit's 10:30pm here23:29
mducharme-workpeople would not need to group by month and/or year unless they chose to do so..23:30
+SynQperlDreamer: that must be 3:30pm right?23:30
+perlDreamermy laptop clock is off23:30
+SynQah23:30
+SynQso when I get back and arrive at schiphol at 7:00am here23:31
+SynQit's actually midnight from where I came from23:31
+perlDreamermducharme-work, if you have a look at the template variables for the StoryArchive, you'll see there's a loop for each day23:31
+SynQright23:31
+SynQnight :)23:31
+perlDreameradding additional loops for months/years would be far simpler then making it configurable23:31
+perlDreamercode-wise anyway23:32
+perlDreamerthen it's just up to the user to figure out which levels they want to nest23:32
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+cap10morganto answer my own question, yes you can. i should post a wiki entry about it...23:44
mducharme-workperldreamer ahh ok, cool23:47
+perlDreamercap10morgan, all new LDAP knowledge is greatly appreciated23:59
+cap10morgancool, yeah, i need to write it down before i forget it too23:59
--- Day changed Fri Sep 04 2009
+cap10morgani tricked the recursive group property into doing the right thing for this00:00
+cap10morganessentially treating all the user records as single-member groups00:00
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elninoHi I'm visiting the shop once again.  Is there a why to categorize the specifications in a product asset?00:04
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+perlDreamerelnino, no00:08
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+perlDreamerOffhand, I'd say that if you want something like that, put it into the description since you can use any markup you want there.00:08
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mducharme-workcap10morgan that's neat00:20
elninook. 00:20
mducharme-workI haven't fooled around yet with ldap groups, haven't had a need to00:20
+cap10morganexcept it didn't actually work, hahaha00:20
mducharme-workoh00:20
mducharme-workyou can probably do that in the ldap server itself by making a dynamic group, btw00:20
daviddelikat1does anybody know a good way to debug events in a browser?00:21
mducharme-workthat's a special type of group where the member list is generated dynamically based on the results of a query00:21
@preactionJS events? add a breakpoint to the handler you're using00:22
daviddelikat1no browser events00:24
daviddelikat1I click and the function that issupposed to be attached does not run00:24
daviddelikat1I know this because I have a breakpoint attached to it00:24
daviddelikat1problem is that there are two fields with the same id on my page00:25
daviddelikat1so I get the parent element00:25
daviddelikat1and then get the first(only) child which is the field that I am connecting to00:26
daviddelikat1and add an onchange listener00:26
@preactionwhy are there two fields with the same ID? that's a bug right there.00:29
@preactiondoes it also have the same name?00:29
daviddelikat1the id is the default generated by WG00:30
daviddelikat1i think the nams are the same as well00:30
daviddelikat1one is for the search ticket form00:30
daviddelikat1the other is for the ticket it self00:30
@preactionso they're in different forms00:30
daviddelikat1the ticket field is not in a form at all00:31
@preactionyou can change the ID from inside WebGUI, give it an id => property00:31
daviddelikat1I'm just grabbing the onchange event and sending off some ajax00:31
daviddelikat1I'll see if that helps, thanks00:32
+cap10morganah, ok, if i put uid in both group property and recursive group property, then it works00:33
+cap10morganbut it seems kind of slow00:33
mducharme-worktry doing it through a dynamic group in ldap, cap10morgan00:38
+cap10morgani'd rather not00:39
+cap10morgani want webgui to be able to do it directly00:39
mducharme-workthere are basically no ldap things that can do that directly that I'm aware of00:40
mducharme-workso if webgui can do that, it can do something pretty much nothing else can00:40
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r541b8a4 / lib/WebGUI/Form/Codearea.pm : Remove debug code from Codearea - http://bit.ly/6Xzfi00:42
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r046bc36 / lib/WebGUI/Form/Image.pm : Update POD for getValue in Form/Image - http://bit.ly/8myBI00:42
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r882817c / lib/WebGUI/Form/Codearea.pm : Remove debug code from Codearea - http://bit.ly/1nNRA00:42
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2276b98 / lib/WebGUI/Form/Image.pm : Update POD for getValue in Form/Image - http://bit.ly/4fvtqd00:42
+perlDreamerpreaction, Haarg: I don't think this is a bug: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/1088300:51
+perlDreamera guy runs WebGUI on a non-standard port behind a firewall that blocks that port00:51
@preactioni don't think it is either. there's a configuration setting that should be fixing the port00:51
@preactionwebserverPort : 8000:52
+perlDreamerthat's the problem, he has that set to a different port number00:52
@preactionthat's the port for the front-facing web server00:52
@preactionyou're not supposed to change that00:52
@preactionunless the front-facing web server is not port 8000:53
@preactionwebgui uses that to build URLs, nothing more00:53
+perlDreamerI resolved it00:56
@preactionperhaps the docs are unclear?00:57
+perlDreamerI suppose that people could confuse web server with the actual server that WebGUI is running on.00:58
@preactionperhaps include "This is used to create URLs, so use the public-facing webserver port"?00:59
+perlDreamerhttp://gist.github.com/180561 ?01:01
@preactionlooks good to me01:02
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r39b9bd3 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt etc/WebGUI.conf.original): Clarify the documentation for webServerPort in config file. Fixes bug #10883 - http://bit.ly/13zE5B01:07
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r80d629a / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt etc/WebGUI.conf.original): Clarify the documentation for webServerPort in config file. Fixes bug #10883 - http://bit.ly/c5clK01:07
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+perlDreamerI've noticed that when I look at a block of code, and I see $self->session->blah more than 3-4 times per line, that my eyes just glaze over01:49
@preactionwe should make a P::C::Policy for that01:52
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@preactionand one for deprecated methods, we really need to start cleaning things up01:52
+perlDreamerhave you looked at the InOutBoard code recently?01:53
sbaurhi everyone01:54
sbaurquestion for the group: how do y'all determine what gets into the gotcha.txt file?01:54
+perlDreamerhowdy sbaur01:54
+perlDreameranything that is supposed to trip up an admin is supposed to go into the file01:55
+perlDreamerso it tends to be subjective01:55
@preactionbetter question: sbaur, what did we miss?01:56
sbaurthen i'll register a mild protest that changing the macro parser wasn't mentioned (between 7.5 and 7.6) specifically the part about having to quote inner macros when you are nesting them01:56
sbaurthat's going to be a real PIA to fix across our sites01:56
@preactioni'd say submit a bug that it wasn't mentioned01:57
sbaurthere was a bug -- 1005701:57
@preactionHaarg: do you remember when that change was made?01:57
@preactionok01:57
@preactionthen, writing a script to change those things won't be too hard, if you want to use support hours to do it01:57
sbaurnow that's an idea01:58
@preactionwe can save your people 20 hours of work by using 2 hours of work, so to speak01:58
@Haarghow were you using quotes before sbaur?01:58
sbaur^CanEditText(^AdminToggle("Edit On","Edit Off"););01:59
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sbaurnow that just displays ^AdminToggle("Edit On"  under 7.6 and higher02:00
sbaurwhich of course makes it doubly hard to fix as you have to add ?func=edit to actually edit it02:00
+perlDreamer?switchOnAdmin might be more helpful02:01
+perlDreamerlet me double check that fragment02:01
+perlDreameryes: ?switchOnAdmin02:01
+perlDreamerthat will throw you into Admin mode02:02
@Haarg?op=switchOnAdmin02:02
sbauryes, but for whatever reason ?func=edit  is already memorized so easier then looking up one of the others :)02:03
@Haargthat was one edge case we didn't catch i guess.  we tried to match the behavior of the old parser in most cases, but the old routine was rather ambiguous in some of those cases.02:07
@Haargluckily it is much much better tested now so any changes in how it parses things are easy to detect02:08
sbaurthat's good to know02:15
sbaurit's too bad the old parser adds the quotes (single quotes in this case) as literals if I try to quote it before upgrading the site.02:17
sbaurThanks preaction, perlDreamer and Haarg for your help with this02:22
+perlDreamerwe're sorry for the hangup, sbaur02:22
+perlDreamerthanks for giving us a heads up so we can fix it02:22
CIA-53webgui: Graham Knop master * r5090c80 / t/Macro.t : add another quoting edge case to macro tests - http://bit.ly/ekDYk02:25
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elninodid i read somewhere that i can import products?02:50
elninoor was i going to write a scrript for that?02:51
+perlDreameryou can import products via a Shelf02:57
+perlDreameryou can export them as well02:57
@HaargperlDreamer, preaction, any thoughts on this?  http://gist.github.com/18061802:59
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+perlDreamerthat's crazy03:00
+perlDreamerperldoc checks for ownership?03:00
+perlDreamerman perldoc will help out understanding that03:01
+perlDreamerit's a taint/security issue03:03
@Haargoh?03:04
elninoperlDreamer, from like an csv file?  what version do i need?03:04
+perlDreamerHaarg: man perldoc, then  /SECURITY03:04
+perlDreamerelnino, I believe that works all the way back to 7.603:05
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+perlDreamer7.5, actually03:05
+perlDreameryou can find some sample import files in t/supportingCollateral03:06
@Haarghttp://gist.github.com/180619 guess i should try that locally03:06
@Haargthanks though perlDreamer, i should be able to fix it03:07
+perlDreamerhttp://perldoc.perl.org/perldoc.html03:08
@Haargyeah, it works fine locally.  just thought that was funny.03:08
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2b3219c / sbin/userImport.pl : Fix POD typos in userImport.pl. Each POD directive is a paragraph. - http://bit.ly/L7ugL03:10
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r82fab29 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/InOutBoard.pm : 03:10
CIA-53webgui: Massive refactoring and bug fixing in InOutBoard.03:10
CIA-53webgui: Used placeholders for many queries, i18n'ed the Search button in03:10
CIA-53webgui: viewReport, fixed bugs related to users with no selected department03:10
CIA-53webgui: in their profile, fixed a bad query still looking for old style03:10
CIA-53webgui: user profile data. - http://bit.ly/TsLWA03:10
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf4d8725 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/InOutBoard.pm : 03:10
CIA-53webgui: Massive refactoring and bug fixing in InOutBoard.03:10
CIA-53webgui: Used placeholders for many queries, i18n'ed the Search button in03:10
CIA-53webgui: viewReport, fixed bugs related to users with no selected department03:10
CIA-53webgui: in their profile, fixed a bad query still looking for old style03:10
CIA-53webgui: user profile data. - http://bit.ly/phCZ803:10
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2d967fc / t/Macro.t : Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/kNNip03:10
+perlDreamerthat merge message is still in there...03:11
@Haarggit config branch.master.rebase true03:11
@Haargit's a per branch setting03:11
elninoperlDreamer, and "t" is locarted where?03:11
+perlDreamerelnino: /data/WebGUI/t :)03:11
@Haargthen there is the global setting as well, which enables the per branch setting when the branch is created03:11
elninooh good grief. thx03:12
@Haargbut if you already had the branch, it won't inherit that setting03:12
+perlDreamerI'll just set them all manually for now03:12
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CIA-53wgdev: Graham Knop master * r3d2b45e / (inc/WGDev/Builder.pm lib/WGDev/Help.pm): improve handling for when run as root - http://bit.ly/7fgHe04:04
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+perlDreamerHaarg, okay to push some changes to the WGDev repo?04:22
+perlDreameror do you want patches?04:22
+perlDreamerI added a note about package --upgrade to the Intro docs04:23
+perlDreamerand a --toHex switch, to convert base64 GUIDS to hex format on the command line04:23
@Haarggo ahead and push04:23
@Haargif you ever have changes you aren't certain about, fork it on github and push to your own repo04:24
@Haargthen you can just tell me on here or send a pull request through the web interface and i'll take a look at it04:24
@Haargthat's what patspam has been doing and it works a lot better than sending patches04:25
+perlDreamerokay04:25
CIA-53wgdev: Colin Kuskie master * rf4c0823 / lib/WGDev/Command/Intro.pm : Add intro docs for package --upgrade. - http://bit.ly/f2AGT04:26
CIA-53wgdev: Colin Kuskie master * raa4be8c / lib/WGDev/Command/Guid.pm : Add the toHex switch, which converts base64 GUIDs to hex. - http://bit.ly/ZbX4M04:26
CIA-53wgdev: Colin Kuskie master * r72f703b / (43 files in 14 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:haarg/wgdev - http://bit.ly/hBAQh04:26
CIA-53wgdev: Graham Knop master * r7a910a0 / (3 files in 3 dirs): allow specifying sitename in shortened form - http://bit.ly/123htd04:37
CIA-53wgdev: Graham Knop master * rc9ecdc9 / Changes : updating Changes - http://bit.ly/OXRHn04:37
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r55b3552 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Document that the IOB bug was fixed in the changelog. - http://bit.ly/M4vl004:49
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8d30bc2 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Document that the IOB bug was fixed in the changelog. - http://bit.ly/XsLUc04:49
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CIA-53wgdev: Graham Knop master * rd9b383b / inc/WGDev/Builder.pm : make sure different versions use different temp directories - http://bit.ly/q18zi05:54
elninohi.06:07
elninoShould I be updating perl mods via cpan, or does wre do all that for me?06:07
mducharmeyou should be updating perl mods...06:08
mducharmebut use the wre cpan06:08
mducharmethere is a cpan.sh that launches it, in /data/wre/sbin06:08
mducharmeelnino when you upgrade webgui you need to read the gotchas file and see what new modules are needed in the upgrade path from the version you are on to the version you are going to, and install those via the wre cpan.sh BEFORE doing the upgrade06:09
mducharmeif the required modules are not installed in advance the upgrade may fail partway through...06:09
elninook. Thanks mducharme. I don't think I've used wre's cpan. 06:09
elninoright06:09
mducharmewell wre has it's own perl, so it has its own cpan06:09
mducharmeinstalling the modules into the system perl won't help06:10
mducharmealso woudln't be a bad idea to do a ". setEnvironment.sh" in advance too06:10
mducharmeto make sure all the environment variables are set to use the wre stuff....06:10
elninothe cpan.sh does that, and does the normal cpan command, which is already in my environment, so I gues I do use wre's =)06:10
mducharmeI don't actually trust the wre backup myself and manually shut down webgui and .tgz up the /data folder tree before doing any upgrade06:12
mducharmeonly thing you need running when doing the webgui upgrade is mysql.. the other processes can be stopped06:12
elninoI do too. =)06:12
+perlDreameryou people are paranoid!!!!06:16
mducharmehehe06:17
mducharmeit pays to be paranoid, in this business06:18
CIA-53wgdev: Graham Knop master * rf7ed6f2 / Changes : mark release date - http://bit.ly/OjhMf06:46
+perlDreamerelnino: we aren't fixing 7.6 bugs anymore, but I suspect that the same bug exists in 7.707:47
elninodid you see my second bug report?07:48
+perlDreameryes, RSS feeds are done differently in 7.707:49
+perlDreamerand with 7.7 being stable, demo is running it07:49
+perlDreamerin the CS edit screen, you'll see an RSS tab07:50
+perlDreamerall the old RssFromParent and RssCapable stuff is gone07:50
+perlDreamerreplaced by the RssFeed AssetAspect07:50
elninobut it didn't give me a "rss from parent" asset07:50
+perlDreamerit won't07:50
elninoso what url do I use?07:50
+perlDreamerin 7.7 they don't exist anymore07:50
+perlDreamerurlForCS?func=viewRss07:51
elninoew. ok.07:51
+perlDreameryou can always use a redirect asset to hide that behing urlForCS.rss07:51
+perlDreamerbehind urlForCS.rss07:51
elninotoo much hassle. I liked it when you did that for me.  =)07:52
+perlDreameryou wouldn't believe all the problems we had with the old solution07:52
+perlDreamerthis one is not as pretty URL-wise, but much easier to deal with07:52
+perlDreamerI did a 10 minute talk last year on why RssFromParent/RssCapable is bad at the WUC07:52
+perlDreamerwell, more like 5 minutes07:53
elninoI missed that one. sorry.07:55
+perlDreamermaybe we should submit an RFE to add a button to the RSS tab that automatically makes the redirect asset for you?07:56
* perlDreamer is calling it a night07:59
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@plainhaomorning, peeps15:14
* plainhao has a question about style (webgui, not fashion).15:15
@plainhaoi have this page layout with a particular style, and in that style template, i have this: ^AssetProxy(weird/sku/asset);15:17
@plainhaothat embedded sku asset is processing its own template correctly, but inherits the page layout's style template, so its processed output never shows up.15:19
@plainhaomy question is, what should i do? i tried this: <tmpl_if body.content><tmpl_var body.content><tmpl_else>^AssetProxy(weird/sku/asset);</tmpl_if>15:20
@plainhaobut it seems body.content is never fully empty15:20
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+perlDreamergood morning everybody!17:32
@Haargmorning perlDreamer17:32
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+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: if you haven't installed presto yet you might consider it.  165MB of updates reduced to 5.4MB of delta rpms.  Maybe not so important for you, but a huge deal for my 768kbps line.18:16
+perlDreameris it available for FC10?18:17
+perlmonkey2no idea.18:17
+perlmonkey2yep, looks like it is.18:18
+perlmonkey2yum-presto looks like it has been available since FC-6, but I doubt many drpms were built until recently.18:18
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0dd476e / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Codearea.pm): YUI 2.6 has element-beta-min. Fixes 10893. - http://bit.ly/XyVq018:21
+perlDreamerHaarg, the asset manager JSON thing has me stumped.18:29
+perlDreamerwhich fields have macros in them, and where/how do they get processed?18:29
@Haargthe case i ran into had a macro in the title18:30
@Haargi don't know why18:30
@Haargbut if you just return content to the URL content handler, it always does macro processing on it18:30
@Haargerr18:31
@Haargi mean the Content URL handler18:31
@Haargbecause it calls session->output->print18:31
@Haargyou can avoid that by calling $session->output->print($content, 1);18:32
@Haargbut there's no way for the content handler to signal the Content URL handler to do that18:32
+perlDreamerwe can use Mime Type18:32
@Haargpossibly18:32
@Haarganything that isn't text/18:33
@Haargthe fix i put on frozen was to have the www_ method in the asset manager code call $session->output->print($content, 1) and return "chunked"18:33
@Haargthe problem with the mime type is that there are cases where we return JSON as text/html18:34
@Haargon purpose18:34
+perlDreamerthat would lead to the 2nd question18:35
+perlDreamerhow in the world did a title get shoehorned in there with a macro in it?18:35
@Haargi don't know18:35
@Haargit was a rather old asset18:35
+perlDreameryeah, that's what I was thinking18:35
+perlDreamerit predates fixTitle18:36
@Haargyeah18:36
+perlDreamerwhen JSON is returned as text/html, is that by design, or just because the mime type hasn't been set?18:37
@Haargby design18:38
@Haargthere isn't a good solution for it that i know if18:38
@Haarg*of18:38
@Haargthe problem is yui upload controls18:38
@Haargif you use YUI connection's file upload, it actually uses an iframe to do the upload18:39
@Haargso the result has to be something that can be loaded in an iframe18:39
+perlDreamerwhich is HTML18:39
@Haargand it has to be something that can be parsed18:39
@Haargapparently if you use text/plain browsers do funny things like turn it into html by wrapping it in <pre> tags18:40
+perlDreamerin that case, I'll take the frozen fix, apply it, and shop it around to some of the other content handlers18:40
+perlDreamerbut it's just ugly18:40
@Haargyes18:41
@Haargit might be good to just use the mime type18:41
@Haargthen for other cases add special handling18:41
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+perlDreameryeah18:41
@Haargit seems like a better solution for those situations would be to use text/plain or similar and then rip off the pre tags.18:45
@Haargi have a feeling text/html is going to mess with the content in more subtle ways18:45
+perlDreamerat that point, though, we're all the way back in the browser18:50
+perlDreamerand it should be YUI's job to handle that mess for us18:50
+perlDreamerwell, in my JS newbie opinion :)18:51
+perlDreamerdid you know that ! bind tighter than =~ ?18:51
@Haargnot offhand18:53
@Haargyui tries to handle as much of that as it can, but it has to fight the browser18:53
@Haargyou can't use the correct mime type no matter what yui does18:53
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r960ca38 / lib/WebGUI/Session/Http.pm : Update POD to show new default mime type. - http://bit.ly/3Pz18w18:55
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rca0d836 / (3 files in 3 dirs): fix #10891: Change session->output->print to skip macros based on detecting the mime-type. - http://bit.ly/dz7hE18:55
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rfcaad56 / t/Asset/Wobject/EventManagementSystem.t : Make test clean-up its version tag. - http://bit.ly/3rjou219:32
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r54b9d4d / t/Asset/Wobject/EventManagementSystem.t : Make test clean-up its version tag. - http://bit.ly/11cC1x19:32
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+perlDreamerHaarg: did you do something to the git config to make it rewrite paths for the packages directory?20:58
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rf28b87b / (2 files in 2 dirs): Patch matrix listing template. fixes #10900 - http://bit.ly/zUiFI20:58
@Haargno20:58
+perlDreamerhm20:59
@Haargwhy?21:00
+perlDreamerI just cherry picked an update from master that contained a new package21:00
+perlDreamerduring the "autocommit" I got this:21:01
+perlDreamer rewrite docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.20/matrix-default-detailed-listing.wgpkg (100%)21:01
+perlDreamerand sure enough, in master, that package is in 7.821:01
+perlDreamerand in webgui-7.7, it's in 7.7.2021:01
@Haargheh21:01
@Haarggit tries to be very smart about merging so apparently it figured it out21:02
+perlDreamerthat makes merging packages so easy!21:02
@Haargwe'll see going forward how well it does21:03
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1e37b6b / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Shelf.pm): Only log products that aren't defined in the Shelf. fix 10902 - http://bit.ly/Z4JB821:25
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elninohmm. so.. I need to create a "request quote" form Do I do this with custom code? or is there a way to use the dataform asset that will populate fields from url parameters, and drop list choices from the current list of product assets?22:31
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+perlDreamerelnino, the FormParam macro will let you fill out with URL parameters, but doing the drop down list is something altogether different.23:46
+perlDreamerMaybe you could bend the Thingy to do that23:47
elninoI was just thinking that.  does thingy have emailing capabilities/23:47
elnino?23:47
+perlDreamerit has triggers to run workflows, and it wouldn't be too hard to make a workflow that sends emails based on that23:49
elninook. I'll have to think some more. Thanks!23:49
+perlDreamergood luck :)23:53
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+SynQwow00:05
+SynQthis is awsome: http://www.webgui.org/use/community-wiki/installing-webgui-in-debian00:05
+perlDreamerSquOnk++00:07
+SynQperlDreamer: can you help me explain the output of the utility script "wg-testCodebase --configFile /etc/webgui/webgui.conf"00:08
+SynQCalled UNIVERSAL::can() as a function00:08
+SynQdoes that ring a bell?00:08
+perlDreamerthat is a perl bug that can be ignored00:08
+SynQhmm00:08
+SynQcan it be circumvented too?00:08
+perlDreamerjust have to live with it until the module authors fix it00:09
+SynQdon't that just suck00:09
+perlDreameryou kind of get used to it00:09
+perlDreamerlike nose hair00:09
+SynQuh huh00:09
+SynQnose hair can be trimmed00:09
+SynQor pulled00:09
+perlDreamermaybe you could filter it out using grep?00:10
+perlDreamergrep -v 'UNIVERSAL::cal'00:10
+perlDreameror, if you are a perl puring00:10
+SynQgrep -v 'UNIVERSAL::can' then00:10
+perlDreamerperl -ne 'print unless /UNIVERSAL::can/;'00:10
+SynQuh huh00:10
+SynQthat costs way more memory :P00:10
+SynQI can ignore it00:11
+perlDreamersorry, man.  I don't like it either00:11
+perlDreamerHaarg doesn't like it.00:11
+SynQperhaps someone needs to hyjack that perl module :P00:11
+perlDreameror, maybe somebody could track down what is causing it, fix it, then send the module author a patch00:12
+SynQCan't call method "headers" on an undefined value at t/Asset/Redirect/mech.t line 96.00:12
+SynQis that bad?00:12
+perlDreamerthat one is bad00:13
+perlDreamersounds like a test bug, rather than a core bug, though00:13
+SynQok00:13
+SynQperlDreamer: do you know if I can use WebGUI current stable on debian too?00:15
+perlDreamerI think the latest WebGUI Debian package is 7.6.35.200:15
+SynQI know00:15
+SynQworks like a charm00:15
+perlDreameris apache running on the maching that you're testing?00:16
+SynQuh huh00:16
+perlDreamerhm00:16
+SynQwhy?00:16
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+perlDreamerthat test passes on my dev box00:17
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+perlDreamersource install, webgui 7.7.2000:17
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+SynQI'll give it a go later00:18
+perlDreamerhow's the new WRE coming along?00:20
+SynQslowly00:20
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+SynQSquOnk kudo's for you00:28
+SynQit works!00:28
@Haargdoes the latest version of UNIVERSAL::can still spit out those errors?01:07
@Haargwell, warnings01:07
+perlDreamerI'm running 1.05, and it does.  1.12 is available01:09
+perlDreamersorry, I'm running 1.05 of UNIVERSAL01:10
+perlDreamerlet me install it quick, and see what pops out01:11
@Haargof UNIVERSAL or UNIVERSAL::can ?01:11
+perlDreamerlet me double check01:12
+perlDreamerI've been working late, and I'm making stupid mistakes today01:12
+perlDreamerI was running 1.05 of UNIVERSAL::can01:12
+perlDreamerinstalling 1.15 fixes the problem01:12
@Haargcool01:13
+perlDreamerI was thinking of installing IE8 on my Vista VM to test a bug, but I don't know if it's easy to uninstall01:13
+perlDreamerhave you done something like that?01:13
@Haarguninstall ie8?01:17
+perlDreameryeah, so i can still have IE7 available.01:18
@Haargi just have separate VMs for ie6/7/801:18
@Haargif you just want to test it once, you should be able to take a snapshot, install, test, and revert01:18
@Haarghopefully they add branching snapshots to virtualbox soon so i'll be able to use that instead of having separate VMs01:19
+perlDreamerThis may have been a dream, but I remember a story on Slashdot saying that M$ was thinking about not making browsers anymore.01:23
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@tavistoperldreamer, all is well in wG shop land. Just helped her process her order. Was some hangup with her address info (from previous funked up order)01:25
+perlDreamergood news :)01:25
@tavistoyep, as long as the address funkiness doesn't happen again. Which I assume wont now that her order saved her info01:26
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+perlDreamerpreaction, Haarg: I just fixed a bug for the File form plugin.02:54
+perlDreamerI've tested the CS and the Profile system02:54
+perlDreamercan you think of any other edge cases that I should check?02:54
+perlDreamerokay, it must be time to quit03:04
+perlDreamerI just created git commit beebeef03:04
+perlDreamereven git is telling me that it's time for dinner03:04
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0cbc4ee / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/File.pm): 03:04
CIA-53webgui: fix #10879. Form/File loses files from previous storageId.03:04
CIA-53webgui: Tested Collaboration System, and User Profile Avatar field. - http://bit.ly/A2btC03:04
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rbeebeef / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/File.pm): 03:04
CIA-53webgui: fix #10879. Form/File loses files from previous storageId.03:04
CIA-53webgui: Tested Collaboration System, and User Profile Avatar field. - http://bit.ly/DxFTl03:04
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daviddelikat1preaction: ping16:59
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r72d4c56 / lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm : Log an error if duplicate cannot make a copy of itself.22:04
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6b1fde7 / lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm : Log an error if duplicate cannot make a copy of itself. - http://bit.ly/zCsJF22:04
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r448c4d0 / lib/WebGUI/AssetBranch.pm : Fix POD in duplicateBranch, tidy the code. - http://bit.ly/3ljjhn22:04
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9e2cdbd / lib/WebGUI/AssetBranch.pm : Fix POD in duplicateBranch, tidy the code. - http://bit.ly/3izGdx22:04
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rd4d1b14 / lib/WebGUI/Macro/UsersOnline.pm : 22:04
CIA-53webgui: Force userId comparisons in SQL to use strings, not numbers.22:04
CIA-53webgui: Use WGBP for reference syntax. - http://bit.ly/NPC8d22:04
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2f602df / lib/WebGUI/Macro/UsersOnline.pm : 22:04
CIA-53webgui: Force userId comparisons in SQL to use strings, not numbers.22:04
CIA-53webgui: Use WGBP for reference syntax. - http://bit.ly/36ZBhg22:04
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf484a34 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix date display in EMS Schedule. fixes 10876. - http://bit.ly/30kylU22:06
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5eeaecc / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix date display in EMS Schedule. fixes 10876. - http://bit.ly/2Pt03O22:06
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+perlDreamerWUC-5 and counting00:40
+perlDreamerdaviddelikat1: you're loving this helpdesk thing, aren't you? ;)01:52
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daviddelikat1your back...02:11
daviddelikat1I just sent you email replying to your comment....02:11
daviddelikat1perlDreamer: ^^^^02:12
+perlDreamersorry, I'm in and out02:30
daviddelikat1's ok02:30
daviddelikat1you get your stuff done?02:30
daviddelikat1slides.02:30
+perlDreamerI need 3 more screen shots, then I can start building the actual slides02:31
daviddelikat1ooof... how big is your presentation?02:31
+perlDreamershould come in at 40 minutes02:31
+perlDreamerbut I always make too many slides, then talk too fast and get done early02:31
daviddelikat1sounds pretty normal02:31
+perlDreamerin this case, Story manager, that's not bad, since I'm hoping people come with lots of questions02:31
+perlDreamerso having extra time at the end is a bonus02:32
daviddelikat1where does story manager show up in WG admin bar?02:32
+perlDreamerIn the community section02:33
daviddelikat1is it not released yet?    I don't see it02:33
daviddelikat1or do I have to install it manually02:34
+perlDreamerit's in 7.7.  Might want to check your config file to see if it's in there02:34
daviddelikat1I'm looking at breading edge here so I'll check02:34
daviddelikat1s/bread/blead/02:34
+perlDreamerthe problem with breading edge is all the crumbs :)02:35
daviddelikat1the problem with my typing is all the crumbs...02:35
* SDuensin is angered at the config file.02:35
daviddelikat1wooo theres life out there02:35
daviddelikat1'sup SDuensin?02:36
+perlDreamerIt's in JSON02:36
SDuensinI'm going to write a script that rebuilds them from data in the SQL database so they're all the same.  Right now, I have a mess - they're all different depending on when they were created.02:36
SDuensinJSON for configs is Good Stuff (tm).02:36
daviddelikat1doesn't the upgrade script have some code that reads/rewrites the config file?02:37
SDuensinIf it does, it turned a blind eye to me.02:38
+perlDreamernot by default02:39
+perlDreameryou have to manually do the upgrades02:39
SDuensinWhich is A-NOY-ING.  :-P02:39
daviddelikat1so any time there is something to add to the config it has to be done by hand?02:39
daviddelikat1like the stgory manager?02:40
SDuensinYup.02:40
SDuensinEventually, I'll have:  ./webguiupdate; ./fix-shit02:40
+perlDreamerdaviddelikat1: in the case of Story Manager, it should have been added to the config file in the 7.7.4 to 7.7.5 upgrade02:40
+perlDreameror, any new site should get it as well, since it's in the default WebGUI.conf file02:40
daviddelikat1so doesn't that have to read/write the config file?02:41
+perlDreamerit does02:41
daviddelikat1hence my suggestion02:42
+perlDreamerhttp://gist.github.com/18156102:42
+perlDreamerlet me try to be clearer02:42
+perlDreamerthe upgrade skeleton and default subs in there don't do anything to upgrade site config files02:42
+perlDreamerif you want to upgrade it, you have to write a subroutine to do it02:43
+perlDreamerand they're pretty simple02:43
+perlDreamerthe API is quite nice02:43
+perlDreamerhowever, since it's based on hashes, the config file that is written out doesn't keep comments, or any particular order02:43
daviddelikat1this is mine from adSku  $session->config->addToHash("assets", 'WebGUI::Asset::Sku::Ad' => { category => 'shop' } );02:44
daviddelikat1well that didn't work...02:44
daviddelikat1http://gist.github.com/18156202:44
SDuensinSide question...  Why such an extensive config file anyway?  Why not put the bulk of that in the SQL database to make it easier to manipulate?02:44
+perlDreamerSDuensin, it's due to performance02:45
+perlDreamerthe config file is loaded when apache starts up02:45
+perlDreamerand cached again02:45
+perlDreamerthe settings in the database have to be returned on every page hit02:45
+perlDreamersince any previous hit may have changed them02:45
SDuensinCan't cache 'em?02:45
SDuensinI mean, let it require a restart to change them.  Who cares.02:46
SDuensinJust seems easier.  :-)02:46
SDuensinThen all you'd need on disk is information on how to contact the database.02:46
+perlDreamersure, dbpass, dbuser and dsn02:46
+perlDreamerand slave information02:46
SDuensinYup.02:47
SDuensinThat's what I'm headed towards here.  All my WebGUI stuff is going to be generated so it's consistent.02:47
daviddelikat1did you know that you can 'git' a clone of a 'gist'02:48
* SDuensin doesn't know much about git yet.02:48
+perlDreamerHaarg mentioned that earlier this week02:48
+perlDreamerpretty handy sometimes02:48
daviddelikat1I wonder if you could use it as a third party communication system02:49
+perlDreamerone of my favorites is curl http://gist.githum.com/172345.txt | patch -p102:49
daviddelikat1two applications could talk without either one having an open port02:49
SDuensinWTF is gist?02:49
daviddelikat1its like paste bin02:50
+perlDreamerit's a paste application hosted by github02:50
SDuensinah02:50
daviddelikat1only works with git02:50
+perlDreamereach gist is its own repo, so you can change it, branch it, clone it, etc02:50
daviddelikat1I found a git - vm online that I'm dieing to try out...02:50
daviddelikat1I wonder if it has gist on it?02:51
+perlDreamergit - vm ?02:51
daviddelikat1I hav enot booted it up yet so i dont know what s on it02:51
daviddelikat1virtual machine02:51
daviddelikat1its ~very~ small02:51
daviddelikat1like 90Meg02:52
daviddelikat1I hope it runs git-hub because its a very nice interface.02:52
+perlDreamerwow02:52
daviddelikat1I just did rm -r on the repo i made of my gist....02:53
daviddelikat1I forgot the -f02:53
daviddelikat1so it asks me to confirm each file02:53
daviddelikat1around 75 files...02:54
+perlDreamerCtrl-C out of it, and do it again02:56
daviddelikat1I already finished it, my curiousity overcame my anoyance02:57
daviddelikat1I pasted the text into wc -l and found there were 6102:57
daviddelikat1thats a lot of overhead for one like of text02:58
daviddelikat1so I guess I won't be tracking any one liners with git02:58
daviddelikat1I think I've fixed enough stuff for today...  If nothing else I'll see folks on Wednesday at the hackathon...03:04
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+perlDreamerSDuensin, that's a good question about caching.03:25
SDuensinI just thought all the configs was different.  Seems other systems are going the other way - more in the DB, less in text.03:26
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wgGuest12hi all04:07
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+perlDreamerwgGuest06, howdy04:37
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+danny_mkOK, upgrading from 7.6.35->7.7.17 got error:   Table 'AdSku' already exists  nothing in Wiki06:51
+danny_mkclues?06:51
+danny_mkI obviously know what the error means, however the upgrade script failed during upgrade06:53
SDuensinI did the upgrade and didn't hit that.  :-/06:54
+danny_mkfrom 7.6.35?06:58
SDuensinyep07:02
+danny_mkhmmm... darn07:02
+danny_mkI have restored the entire database and directory a few times already07:02
SDuensin:-(07:03
SDuensinI hate when upgrades go south.07:03
+danny_mkI am wondering if I should upgrade to a few of the beta version first.  However, I am afraid I will hit the same snag07:04
* SDuensin waves wildly at preaction or perlDreamer or someone else smart. :-)07:06
* perlDreamer is here07:06
SDuensinHAAAALLLLP!07:06
+perlDreamerwhazzup?07:06
SDuensin[22:51]  <danny_mk> OK, upgrading from 7.6.35->7.7.17 got error:   Table 'AdSku' already exists  nothing in Wiki07:06
+perlDreamerhm07:07
+danny_mkyup07:07
+perlDreamerdanny_mk, I've upgraded sites from 7.6.35 to 7.7.17 with no problems07:07
+perlDreameryou didn't happen to manually backport anything?07:07
+danny_mkyes07:07
+danny_mkI have backups of everything07:07
+danny_mkI got smart when I first started using WebGUI :-)07:07
+perlDreamerI'd restore from backup, and then see if you have an AdSku table already07:08
+danny_mkOK, let me check that out07:08
+perlDreamerthen isolate exactly which line in the upgrade is causing you problems07:08
+danny_mkOK, that you have to tell me where to find07:08
+danny_mkwhere in the upgrade.pl script07:09
+perlDreamerno in upgrade.pl07:09
+danny_mkDBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table 'AdSku' already exists at ../lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 13707:09
+danny_mkyou mean that?07:09
+perlDreamerupgrade.pl is a driver for docs/upgrades/*.pl07:09
+danny_mkyes, I got that07:09
+perlDreamerwe'll have to backtrack it from the upgrade output07:10
+perlDreamertry piping that into a log file07:10
+danny_mkOK, sequence?07:10
SDuensinYou on UNIX?07:11
+danny_mkperl upgrade.pl --doit > pdreamer.log07:11
+danny_mkYUP07:11
+danny_mknot WRE07:11
SDuensinOr "tee" it so you can watch.07:11
+danny_mkinstalling from source07:11
SDuensinperl upgrade.pl --doit | tee pdreamer.log07:11
+danny_mkright07:11
+perlDreamerdanny_mk: sequence: 1) restore from backup (db, uploads, source tree)07:11
+perlDreamer2) perl upgrade.pl --doit > pdreamer.log # or whichever07:12
+perlDreamermaybe grab STDERR, too07:12
SDuensinperl upgrade.pl --doit &2>1 | tee pdreamer.log07:12
* SDuensin has to run. Back later07:13
* perlDreamer will be unavailable tomorrow, unless the plane has wifi07:13
+perlDreamerI reviewed the upgrade scripts, and they're in order07:15
+perlDreamerother possible causes07:15
+perlDreamer2 config files with the same database07:15
+perlDreamersame dsn, that is07:16
+danny_mknope07:18
+danny_mkalright, that table existed in the database, however it was empty so I just dropped it.  Now I am doing the upgrade again07:21
+perlDreamerin 7.6.35, it existed in the database?07:35
+danny_mkhold on07:39
+danny_mkdarn, it was going good until it hit:  Can't call method "setScratch" on an undefined value at ../lib/WebGUI/AssetTrash.pm line 31207:41
+danny_mknothing in the pdreamer.log07:41
+danny_mkthe table was there because I forgot to drop the database07:41
+danny_mkhowever I did everything from scratch again dropping the database and it still failed with that error (setScratch)07:42
* SDuensin is back.07:53
+danny_mkSDuensin:  Have you ever seen the error:  Can't call method "setScratch" on an undefined value at ../lib/WebGUI/AssetTrash.pm line 31207:58
SDuensinNope.  Any of your mounted volumes full?  Or close to it?07:58
+danny_mkthe other problem happened because I did not drop the database07:58
+danny_mkanyway, on my way to another import after I dropped all the tables07:58
+danny_mkwill let you know07:58
+danny_mkPlenty of space: / only 22% used and the WebGUI mount point has 115 gigs available08:03
SDuensinIs /tmp ok?08:03
+danny_mkthe / file system has 75gig available08:04
+danny_mkso /tmp has 75gig available08:04
SDuensinWell, there goes my idea.08:05
+danny_mkalright I am backing up to 7.6.35 and going to bed.  Will have to deal with this tomorrow or some other time08:06
+danny_mkthank you for all your help08:06
SDuensinyw08:06
+danny_mknight...08:07
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SDuensinNight.08:07
+perlDreamerI think that may be a bug, or a stale workflow or something08:22
SDuensinPsych time!  TTYL08:30
+perlDreamer'night08:50
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+BartJolis it so quiet because of the silent preparation before the WUC?22:36
CIA-53WebGUI: translation * r12322 /translations/German/German/Asset_StockData.pm: Update from translation server22:39
+BartJolcool german over 90%!22:48
+BartJolJDan: did you solve your spectre problem?22:50
+BartJolwell, the errors it gives22:50
JDanBartJol: Hi22:50
+BartJolgoodevening22:51
JDanNot exactly. I know, my castomer deleted home page22:51
+BartJolstrange people, those customers22:52
JDanI trayed login and enter to trash. I moved home page from trash and now service is active22:52
JDanBut from time to time modperl proces go to loop22:52
+BartJolstill doesn't sound good22:53
JDanToday I have plan backup all services and start rebuildLineage.pl22:53
CIA-53WebGUI: translation * r12323 /translations/German/German/PayDriver_Ogone.pm: Update from translation server22:54
+BartJolwell, those specter errors don't sound like a lineage problem22:55
+BartJolbut if someone hinted that that might solve something, it might22:56
JDanIn my opinion there is big hole that user by deleting home page can kill www site22:56
+BartJolwell, broken lineage isn't a good thing ;P22:57
JDanYes22:57
+BartJolbut that errors look more like an crooked connection22:58
+BartJolI might be repeating myself, but are those sitenames in the /etc/hosts file22:58
+BartJolrebuildLineage still might be a good idea though22:59
JDanAt first I check rebuild lineage23:00
+BartJolok23:00
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+BartJolbbs, have to reboot23:02
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CIA-53WebGUI: translation * r12324 /translations/German/German/PayDriver_ITransact.pm: Update from translation server23:08
JDanBartJol: Do you come from German? Do you translate WebGUI? I ask becouse I don't know people who use and suport project23:12
+BartJolI translate Dutch23:14
+BartJol(and am Dutch)23:14
JDanI translate Polish translation. I am Pole. 23:16
+BartJolI suspected so much23:16
+BartJoldo you have questions?23:17
JDannot now ;-)23:17
+BartJolwell, the Germans and Dutch are quite active translators, so if you do, ask23:18
+BartJolthe germans have more experience with non-english symbols though23:18
JDanI have a lot experience with previous WebGUI version.  I made a lot of extensions for my customers. But now I have to explore 7.x line. 23:20
+BartJolah, and maybe rewrite them23:24
+BartJolyou used mainly 5.x?23:24
JDanYes, exactly. It is very stable and good edition. 23:25
JDanI have more then 400 sites today on it23:26
JDanAnd only 5 on 7.x23:26
+BartJolwhoa, 400?23:26
JDanProbably I am the only who use WebGUI at Poland. 23:27
JDanall arround like PHP, not Perl 23:27
JDanOne of my servers is near Dutch - at Host Europe, German company23:28
+BartJolmmm, but updating from 5 to 7 might get troublesome, especially templates will break23:31
JDanI know. I make new sites on WebGUI 7 or migrate by hand23:32
JDanrebuilding LineAge finished. Site is alive. I am testing it 23:33
--- Day changed Mon Sep 07 2009
+BartJoland, succefull?00:03
JDanYes. All assets are present. Tomorrow webmaster will tidy site.00:05
JDanmodperl doesn't loop00:06
+BartJolah, that was default behaviour, not incidental?00:06
JDanYou mean system or client behaviour00:07
+BartJolno whether it happens always or sometimes00:08
+BartJolhappened00:08
JDanIt's one incident00:08
JDantill now00:08
JDanit's was00:08
+BartJolwell, let's hope it remains that way00:09
JDanI feel more calm 00:09
+BartJol:)00:09
+BartJoland those spectre errors?00:19
+SynQgood00:22
+SynQbart: are you catching the same train as the rest of the delft team?00:22
JDanSadly spectre errors are present on both my servers with WebGUI 700:22
+BartJolI will SynQ00:25
+BartJolthat is 7.2800:25
+SynQgood00:26
+BartJolare you coming by train or car?00:26
+SynQI'll see you there00:26
+SynQtrain00:26
+SynQI'll be in it when you get on in HS00:26
+BartJolmartin forgot to mail me at first00:26
+SynQah00:26
+SynQgotta pack now :)00:26
+SynQsee you tomorrow00:26
+SynQdon't forget your passport00:26
+SynQ:)00:27
+BartJolah, passport and clothing00:27
+BartJolyou have the tickets right?00:27
+SynQindeed00:27
+SynQeconomy +00:27
+BartJolcoolio00:27
+SynQno seats in front of us :)00:27
+SynQI'll see you tomorrow00:27
+BartJolwith a bit of luuck, I'll be able to buy you a beer on wednesday00:27
+SynQhave a good night sleep00:27
+BartJolI'll try00:27
+SynQ~00:28
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra4f93da / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_StoryTopic.pm : Forgot to include the i18n for Story Topic template label. - http://bit.ly/RuQd105:26
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2f2b870 / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.0/root_import_storymanager_storytopic.wgpkg : Put read more link into Story Topic template. - http://bit.ly/l94kh05:26
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r8814f16 / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_StoryTopic.pm : Forgot to include the i18n for Story Topic template label. - http://bit.ly/3ydTy05:26
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rcba2113 / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.0/root_import_storymanager_storytopic.wgpkg : Make readonly link only show up when not in standalone mode. - http://bit.ly/8fkHr05:26
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r706fc29 / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.0/root_import_storymanager_storytopic.wgpkg : Put read more link into Story Topic template. - http://bit.ly/V15k705:26
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1e98e34 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/User.pm t/User.t): RE: Profiles, public != visitor. fixes #10907 - http://bit.ly/2exf405:26
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra06dc91 / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.0/root_import_storymanager_storytopic.wgpkg : Make readonly link only show up when not in standalone mode. - http://bit.ly/12mvI405:26
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r8c6fe03 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/User.pm t/User.t): RE: Profiles, public != visitor. fixes #10907 - http://bit.ly/1iB3aI05:27
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+perlDreamerHaarg, I need a little git help, if you're awake06:04
+perlDreamerI developed some code in the wrong branch (7.7) and want to move it to 7.806:04
+perlDreamerany other git type people are welcome to help, too ;)06:06
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rff55ab1 / (4 files in 4 dirs): For USPS priority service, add another container type. - http://bit.ly/14rz9T06:12
+perlDreamernm, I used diff/patch to do it06:20
+perlDreamerstill very easy06:20
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+SynQthe journy has begun08:13
* SynQ is on the train08:13
+SynQETA madison 17 hours08:13
+SynQflight UA909 to ORD is on schedule :)08:15
CIA-53webgui: Graham Knop master * rb28452b / lib/WebGUI/Session/Form.pm : change CSRF token messages from warn to debug - http://bit.ly/41Q7oH08:36
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CIA-53wgdev: More complete testing of WGDev::Command13:30
CIA-53wgdev: A small API change to WGDev::Command was made to make it more consistant13:30
CIA-53wgdev: and more testable. get_command_module, _find_cmd_exec, and13:30
CIA-53wgdev: command_to_module are now methods instead of subroutines.13:30
CIA-53wgdev: WGDev::Command now has as close to 100% coverage as is possible. - http://bit.ly/AaRTB13:30
CIA-53wgdev: Graham Knop master * ra9648da / (lib/WGDev/Asset.pm t/02_WGDev-Asset.t): more complete testing of WGDev::Asset - http://bit.ly/17k0I513:30
CIA-53wgdev: Graham Knop master * r9b2c8cb / lib/WGDev/Command/Edit.pm : fix typo in edit docs - http://bit.ly/3u4BY13:30
CIA-53wgdev: Graham Knop master * re2d29ff / Build.PL : add test prerequisites and resources metadata to Build.PL - http://bit.ly/OmpNK13:30
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ekennedyIs there a way to delete all instances of a recurring calendar entry in the calendar wobject or do you need to delete each instance? Thanks.16:34
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JDanekennedy: I looked at Callendar source and I have not seen prepared function. But it's possible by using WebGUI::Search($session) and adequate rules.17:11
ekennedyThanks I had looked at the code too and didn't see anything.  I will look at the search mechanism to see if I can use that.  Otherwise I'm in the process of  writing a WWW:Mechanize script to remove the items.17:14
JDanLook at www_search in WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Calendar17:16
JDanIt's perfect code for to build up17:17
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CIA-53WebGUI: translation * r12332 /translations/German/German/Asset_Story.pm: Update from translation server18:14
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KlausHAsset_StockData "isVisitor": "Whether or not the current user is a visitor. This returns true if the users is authenticated against the system". This seems logical not correct. If user is NOT visitor then isVisitor is true....19:20
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd3b97a9 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix an i18n typo in StockData. - http://bit.ly/DfrLk22:23
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb319e7f / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix an i18n typo in the ProjectManager. - http://bit.ly/W0eBN22:23
CIA-53webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * r3b5ae7a / t/Macro.t : add another quoting edge case to macro tests - http://bit.ly/gbJxd22:23
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r8e5b74a / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix an i18n typo in StockData. - http://bit.ly/HcPfZ22:23
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r3db6dcd / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix an i18n typo in the ProjectManager. - http://bit.ly/1v9pEF22:23
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rca73098 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix i18n copy paste error in Project manager. bug #10921 - http://bit.ly/2eNOAN22:37
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r69e2468 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix i18n copy paste error in Project manager. bug #10921 - http://bit.ly/MCAHP22:37
Gso125hello22:38
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb2bc8c9 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix bad i18n and help for Story Manager form errors. - http://bit.ly/GA1at22:44
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rf26c517 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix bad i18n and help for Story Manager form errors. - http://bit.ly/Ou9Ch22:44
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Gso125anyone know why awstats will show only in the servers browser and not from any othe computer23:07
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4fec772 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixing more i18n typos in ProjectManager 10923, 10925. - http://bit.ly/S2sSk01:39
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r271c33c / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.0/root_import_storymanager_storytopic.wgpkg : Fix a template typo in the StoryTopic. - http://bit.ly/2BYM5U01:39
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rf97f732 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixing more i18n typos in ProjectManager 10923, 10925. - http://bit.ly/G0e4d01:39
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re642c1c / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.0/root_import_storymanager_storytopic.wgpkg : Fix a template typo in the StoryTopic. - http://bit.ly/LtYP201:40
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perigrinstupid question but can I have a chained child action that takes a regex?03:42
@preactioner... is this a webgui thing?03:42
perigrinno this is an 'off by one' thing on my irc list03:42
perigrinyou're *right* next to #catalyst :)03:42
* SDuensin doesn't even understand the question.03:42
SDuensinHehehe03:42
perigrinSDuensin: I'm not sure I do either ... that's the problme :)03:44
perigriner problem03:44
CIA-53WebGUI: translation * r12336 /translations/German/German/Asset_ProjectManager.pm: Update from translation server03:57
KlausHDone! 100% :-)03:57
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+SynQmorning has broken15:38
+BartJolaah, it's 14:45, we missed breakfast15:46
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+SynQwe missed breakfast?15:46
+SynQit's 7:50 man15:47
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+BartJoltimezones...15:48
+BartJolI thought I put in an RFE to eleminate timezones15:48
+BartJolpreaction: I brought you: beer15:49
+BartJolbut unfortunately it aren't the best you can find, I was stuck with what I could find on the airport15:50
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SquOnkHello people.17:15
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+perlDreamerpatspam: port 7000 isn't blocked17:47
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@Haargfinally got around to rebasing all my past git branches onto the new repo.  so now i have 14 feature branches to either eliminate or update for 7.8/8.0.18:15
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+perlDreamer14?18:28
+perlDreamerwow18:28
@preactionyeah, i'm surprised it's so low18:28
@Haargi already removed a few :)18:31
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r957eaa4 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Change the i18n label for Help, to be Template Help since that's what it is. - http://bit.ly/X6Fdc18:36
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2e99203 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Change the i18n label for Help, to be Template Help since that's what it is. - http://bit.ly/3Wn8K18:36
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CIA-53webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * rb78d9f8 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix #10928 EMS print ticket not processed for TZ - http://bit.ly/uo8j218:59
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CIA-53webgui: Doug Bell master * rb838102 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix #10928 EMS print ticket not processed for TZ - http://bit.ly/Sydd18:59
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CIA-53webgui: Graham Knop master * rb8127ba / (4 files in 3 dirs): 19:07
CIA-53webgui: Revert "When opening or duplicating Session objects, pass on any Apache2::Request object"19:07
CIA-53webgui: This reverts commit ed97fa1ecd06d0ccf3b5a36c5a5072c0de2db8fd. - http://bit.ly/46fYn19:07
CIA-53webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * rb0845ba / (4 files in 3 dirs): 19:08
CIA-53webgui: Revert "When opening or duplicating Session objects, pass on any Apache2::Request object"19:08
CIA-53webgui: This reverts commit ed97fa1ecd06d0ccf3b5a36c5a5072c0de2db8fd. - http://bit.ly/aIObZ19:08
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@preactionisn't there a known bug in the 7.7.19 upgrade?20:00
@Haargyes20:15
@Haargif you mean from 7.6 at least20:15
@preactionyeah20:19
+perlDreamerwith templates20:22
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+perlDreamerpatspam: shared hosting blog posting - http://blog.johngoulah.com/2009/09/deploying-a-catalyst-app-on-private-hosting/21:51
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SquOnkGreetings02:05
SquOnkQuestion: Who did the first Spanish translation?02:06
@Haarganyone here use something other than firefox or safari as their primary browser?02:12
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SquOnkHaarg: Epiphany, sometimes.02:23
+BartJolpreaction: are you coming by at JT's place? I could chill the Dutch beers02:28
@Haargwho all is over there?02:29
SquOnkMan... dutch beer.02:29
SquOnkWhat beer have you got there?02:29
+BartJolJT, jamie, colin, sarah and metroman02:30
+BartJolSquOnk: 1 homebrewed and 3 dubious beers from the airport02:30
SquOnkBartJol: lol @ dubious02:31
SquOnkBartJol: "No-brand beer"02:31
+BartJolright02:31
+BartJolwell, it's called Amsterdam02:32
SquOnkBleh, never heard of it.02:32
+BartJolme neither :)02:32
SquOnkHertog Jan Grand Prestige was one of my favorites.02:32
SquOnkLeeuw Dortmunder02:32
SquOnk't Ij Columbus was the usual for me02:33
+BartJolwell I planned to get some better ones, but I was distracting by remodelling my house02:33
+BartJolusual,...mmm02:33
+BartJolwell, it's spotted cow for me now02:33
+BartJol:)02:33
SquOnkBartJol: Although I developed a taste for Leffe Blonde, Duvel and Palm.02:34
SquOnkBartJol: I still have my (almost all checked out) Bierkaart from "De Wildeman"02:35
SquOnkKolksteeg 3, A'dam02:35
+BartJolwell, I should check that one02:35
+BartJolI mostly like steenbrugge tripel02:35
SquOnkYou'd find me there mon-fri after 8pm 'til 10pm02:35
+BartJolbut not anymore, right?02:36
SquOnkBartJol: Sadly, no.02:36
SquOnkBartJol: I stopped going to the Netherlands in 200002:36
+BartJolpreaction: are you in Madison?02:36
+BartJolJT tells you to answer02:36
SquOnkBartJol: We only have pilseners in Venezuela.02:37
SquOnkBartJol: And not that good anymore.02:37
+BartJolwell, start an import company02:37
SquOnkBartJol: They've started adding rice, corn and other starchs to the wheat...02:38
+BartJolbad people02:38
SquOnkBartJol: ...ah, importing beer is a no go with the exchange restrictions.02:38
+BartJoldarn02:38
+BartJolwell, illegaly it might even make you more money02:38
SquOnkBartJol: There was a time when venezuelan export beer was lousy compared to what we had here, nowadays it's the other way around.02:39
+BartJolI have to stir JT's dinner02:39
* SquOnk working in the Spanish translation02:40
+BartJolyes, more tranlating is good02:41
+BartJolgerman is complete too!02:41
SquOnkI'm taking one Asset at a time depending on what this customer is using, so expect Navigation, Collaboration Systems and Syndicated Content to be translated tonight.02:41
SquOnkThe Venezuelan Ministry for Economy and Finances is going live with WebGUI 7.6 next monday.02:42
SquOnkAnd I'm working on getting a Success Story ;-)02:42
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SquOnkAlso, the Venezuelan Linux User's Group is going live with WebGUI whenever I have time to set that up...02:43
SquOnk...and you can get an interview with me anytime regarding that ;-)02:43
+BartJolSquOnk: whoa, that is quite some work02:46
SquOnkBartJol: MPPEF yes, VELUG not really :-)02:48
+BartJolfor the pbwg?02:48
+BartJoleeh, I miss some abrreviations02:49
SquOnkMPPEF is the Ministry for Economy and Finances. That was some work.02:50
SquOnkVELUG is the Venezuelan LUG. That was a simple decree :-)02:51
* SquOnk is appointed BOFH sysadm for VELUG's resources02:51
CIA-53wgdev: Graham Knop master * r0aaeedd / ex/Command.pm : make example command more consistant with pod for arguments - http://bit.ly/wNyFd02:55
CIA-53wgdev: Graham Knop master * r26db661 / (.gitignore MANIFEST.SKIP): Update for MYMETA.yml support - http://bit.ly/LY9p202:55
CIA-53wgdev: Graham Knop master * rf4cda42 / lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm : more consistant messages in reset command - http://bit.ly/4czbX02:55
CIA-53wgdev: Graham Knop master * r782c455 / (.stop_words.txt lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm): 02:55
CIA-53wgdev: add --autologon option to reset command02:55
CIA-53wgdev: With the --autologon option specified, it will try find active session02:55
CIA-53wgdev: IDs in your browsers' cookies and create sessions on the site for them.02:55
CIA-53wgdev: The sessions will be logged in as Admin and have admin mode enabled. - http://bit.ly/JB4WM02:56
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+perlDreamerpreaction: ping03:06
+BartJolhey!03:06
+perlDreamerBartJol!03:06
+perlDreamerI haven't seen you online all week03:06
+perlDreamerWhere have you been?03:06
+BartJolluckily we don't have to talk face to face03:06
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SquOnkDoes {#advanced_dlg.image_title} showing in the Image Dialog rings a bell?03:43
+perlDreamernope03:43
SquOnkThis happens when using the Spanish translation...03:43
SquOnk...but where to translate?03:43
+perlDreamerSquOnk, I need some more hints.  What is the "Image Dialog"?03:49
SquOnkperlDreamer: Article, place an image, bring the dialog to tweak image properties. There.03:50
@Haargthat's in the tinymce code03:50
@Haargwe don't have a direct way to translate that03:50
SquOnkHaarg: I see.03:50
@Haargthe files can be translated, and it can be stuck in the source tree03:51
@Haargbut ideally it would fallback to english03:51
+perlDreamerthere's an RFE to add that03:51
+perlDreameradd translations of JS files03:51
SquOnkHaarg: That was my next question, fallback.03:51
@Haargwww/extras/tinymce-webgui/plugins/wginsertimage/langs03:51
@Haargthe processing of that is handled by tinymce so adding fallback would likely by hard or impossible03:53
SquOnkHaarg: So, the problem is TinyMCE's lack of translation or inability to fallback to english?03:53
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@Haargroughly, yes04:04
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1671aef / (t/Form/DynamicField.t t/lib/WebGUI/Form/FormTest.pm): Write a test that says that loading Form plugins from a place other than /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI works. - http://bit.ly/KZg0L04:06
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5cb3a6e / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.19-7.8.0.pl : Add default values to the Matrix to newly added columns. bug #10889 - http://bit.ly/15qRs04:06
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rd74226b / (t/Form/DynamicField.t t/lib/WebGUI/Form/FormTest.pm): Write a test that says that loading Form plugins from a place other than /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI works. - http://bit.ly/373usV04:06
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r54ef56d / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.19-7.7.20.pl : Add default values to the Matrix to newly added columns. bug #10889 - http://bit.ly/1LDnHI04:06
CIA-53webgui: Graham Knop master * r2cf67ec / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm): fixed #10889: Old Matrixs break for Admin users - http://bit.ly/o0CaY04:07
CIA-53webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * r2f23efc / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm): fixed #10889: Old Matrixs break for Admin users - http://bit.ly/ZN67704:08
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@khennanyone on?04:21
@Haargkind of04:23
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@preactionsort of04:24
@khenndo you know what time the hackathon starts tomorrow?04:24
@khennI can't find it online04:25
@khennnm04:25
@khennwiki04:25
@preaction9am04:25
+perlDreamerI thought it was 7:00am04:47
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2948e68 / (4 files in 4 dirs): 07:15
CIA-53webgui: Fix 10939, commit with approval breaks on assets with autocommit children, Post, Story, Wiki, Event, etc.07:15
CIA-53webgui: Encapsulate a new method to get a fresh asset from the db. With tests. - http://bit.ly/J6Xx707:15
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r947b91a / (4 files in 4 dirs): 07:15
CIA-53webgui: Fix 10939, commit with approval breaks on assets with autocommit children, Post, Story, Wiki, Event, etc.07:15
CIA-53webgui: Encapsulate a new method to get a fresh asset from the db. With tests. - http://bit.ly/zb11b07:15
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SquOnkAll right, Spanish translation up to 58%07:27
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CIA-53WebGUI: translation * r12337 /translations/German/German/ (AdSpace.pm Auth.pm TaxDriver_EU.pm): Update from translation server08:28
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CIA-53WebGUI: translation * r12338 /translations/German/German/ (AuthWebGUI.pm Invite.pm): Update from translation server09:09
CIA-53WebGUI: translation * r12339 /translations/German/German/Asset_MessageBoard.pm: Update from translation server09:09
CIA-53WebGUI: translation * r12340 /translations/German/German/Friends.pm: Update from translation server09:09
CIA-53WebGUI: translation * r12341 /translations/German/German/Account_Friends.pm: Update from translation server09:09
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CIA-53webgui: Graham Knop master * rf6be074 / (2 files in 2 dirs): use consistant messages for WEBGUI_LIVE tests - http://bit.ly/kXUeG09:17
CIA-53webgui: Graham Knop master * r9f2db43 / (lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm t/Workflow/Instance.t): prevent Workflow from trying to run an activity if it didn't get an object - http://bit.ly/1mOilh09:17
CIA-53webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * r76164da / (2 files in 2 dirs): use consistant messages for WEBGUI_LIVE tests - http://bit.ly/3Et7Sw09:17
CIA-53webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * r0809b21 / (lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm t/Workflow/Instance.t): prevent Workflow from trying to run an activity if it didn't get an object - http://bit.ly/13K5e709:17
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CIA-53WebGUI: translation * r12342 /translations/German/German/AuthWebGUI.pm: Update from translation server11:19
CIA-53WebGUI: translation * r12343 /translations/German/German/Asset_AdSku.pm: Update from translation server11:19
CIA-53WebGUI: translation * r12344 /translations/German/German/AdSpace.pm: Update from translation server11:19
CIA-53WebGUI: translation * r12345 /translations/German/German/Asset_Shelf.pm: Update from translation server11:19
CIA-53WebGUI: translation * r12346 /translations/BrazilianPortuguese/ (.tar.gz BrazilianPortuguese/AdSpace.pm): Update from translation server12:27
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SquOnkGreetings16:19
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wgGuest48can i han two differents version of WebGUI in the same server?16:36
SquOnkwgGuest48: Yes. Have two virtual servers with different names.16:38
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+patspamhttp://www.webgui.org/design/wiki/template-best-practices17:27
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+perlmonkey2Hey patspam congrats on the release.  The site looks really good.  I checked out the survey but never got around to writing anything (didn't see anything wrong).17:33
+patspamthanks man!17:34
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9ec062d / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/VersionTag.pm): Usability improvement for the edit version tag screen. rfe #10862 - http://bit.ly/2Mq8Z17:34
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daviddelikatany body at the hack-a-thon yet?17:48
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preaction_HAPPY WUC HACKATHON DAY17:49
SquOnkYay17:50
* SquOnk is not there17:50
SquOnkI'm working on the spanish translation though.17:50
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc189c69 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Read preload.custom for extra lib paths in tests. - http://bit.ly/9mWqQ19:44
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rd7ca3df / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Read preload.custom for extra lib paths in tests. - http://bit.ly/3JxTQ19:44
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r237af9f / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix JS form issues with ThingyRecord. bug #10943 - http://bit.ly/2PBkZU19:44
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+SynQconnection reset by peer pressure19:46
+SynQYLMV, your lineage may vary19:46
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+SynQThe results or 'fruits' of actions are called karma-phala.19:51
+SynQsome traditions believe that God plays some kind of role, for example, as the dispenser of the fruits of karmaor as exercising the option to change one's karma in rare instances.19:53
+SynQHowever, according to Jainism, neither the God nor the Guru have any role in a person's Karma. A person himself is the sole doer and enjoyer of his karmas and their fruits.19:54
+SynQI'll go for that19:54
preaction_i was under the impression that all karma is bad19:55
preaction_karma is the result of badness, karma causes karmic rebirth19:55
preaction_the goal should be to transcend karmic rebirth (enlightenment)19:55
+SynQthat would mean that karma is not something you can 'spend'19:57
+SynQbut if you cannot 'spend' it, it's not usable as a voting 'money' for the RFE list19:58
+SynQperhaps instead of 'spending' the karma it could give some kind of weight for your 'vote' on the rfe list, based on the amount of karma one has20:01
mducharme-work7.7.20 coming today?20:01
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+SynQthat would mean that the more you do for the community, the more your voice counts in the 'what RFE should be done first' list20:04
+SynQof course if karma has to 'work' anything you do for the community should (automatically) generate more karma20:07
+SynQso translating20:07
+SynQadding to the wiki20:07
preaction_mducharme-work: no, we currently do not have a tool to release from a Git repo, due to some unforseen setbacks20:07
preaction_yell at Haarg, it's his pidgin20:09
mducharme-workuh oh20:09
+SynQbut 'fixing' the wiki and the translation and all takes work20:10
+SynQwould that be 'a lot of work' or 'some simple work'?20:11
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CIA-53webgui: Graham Knop master * re6f38dc / (t/Workflow/Activity/GetCsMail.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): add new API for mocking assets in tests - http://bit.ly/MzJcX20:14
+SynQactually20:18
+SynQit doesn't matter if it's a lot of work or some work20:18
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+SynQI just love a good monologue :P20:34
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ckotilhttp://pastebin.com/m16f7add7 im missing these lines of JS in the html header. any idea why?21:54
+SynQbopbopbopbopbop21:58
+SynQwhere are you?21:58
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@bopbophi SynQ22:03
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+SynQbopbop: are you around?22:09
@bopbopSynQ: by around, do you mean on IRC, or in the Concourse?22:09
@bopbopcuz, I'm not in Madison22:10
+SynQah22:10
+SynQI mean in Madison22:10
@bopbopoh, nope- not until tomorrow22:10
+SynQtoo bad22:10
@bopbop :(22:10
+SynQI'll look forward to tomorrow then :)22:11
@bopbopRyan is coming for set up, he's stronger than me22:11
+SynQand balder22:11
@bopbopyes22:11
@bopbopI figured I should send brawn (over brains)22:11
+SynQhaha22:11
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+SynQcrazy horses!23:42
preaction_MY RAIN WILL FALL LIKE CRAZY FINGERS23:49
SquOnkThe cake is a lie?23:49
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+patspamit's so quiet in here..23:59
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SDuensinGood lord.  I think I'm just going to hide in the basement and watch Hulu all night.00:22
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+SynQhttp://www.webgui.nl/leden/downloads00:28
+SynQfor my man preaction_ 00:28
SquOnkSpanish 63.8%00:36
preaction_nice00:36
preaction_it's catching up to German and Dutch00:37
+SynQ:)00:38
CIA-53wgdev: Colin Kuskie master * rca8a62b / lib/WGDev/Command/Version.pm : Add the dist command, outputting version and status formatted nicely. - http://bit.ly/2m3Hoi00:50
CIA-53wgdev: Colin Kuskie master * r005e56e / lib/WGDev/Command/Dist.pm : Allow dist to put files in a remote, build directory. - http://bit.ly/3fS6ES00:50
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CIA-53webgui: Doug Bell master * r0697673 / (15 files in 10 dirs): added Subscribable AssetAspect to Wiki - http://bit.ly/1J8mZ001:27
CIA-53webgui: Doug Bell master * r65120a6 / (21 files in 17 dirs): 01:27
CIA-53webgui: Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui01:27
CIA-53webgui: Conflicts:01:27
CIA-53webgui:  docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt01:27
CIA-53webgui:  docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.19-7.8.0.pl - http://bit.ly/2CZe2901:27
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SquOnkSpanish 66%04:45
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+SynQmorning14:52
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+SynQit geat on16:30
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+perlDreamergood morning everyone16:36
+perlDreamerwelcome to the IRC simulcast of the WUC 2009 keynote16:36
+perlDreamerThanks to SwiftySite for helping to sponsor the WUC this year16:38
+perlDreamerif you haven't ever checked it out, you can find it at alphamegahosting.com16:38
+perlDreamerit's in Dutch16:38
+perlDreamerbut very cool16:38
+perlDreamerTime for Contributor of the Year award16:39
+patspamcan you simulcast in dutch as well?16:39
+perlDreamerNeeh16:40
+perlDreamerThe nominations are Procolix, Oqapi, Pluton, SwiftySite, Knowmad, United Knowledge, SDH Consulting and perlDreamer Consulting16:40
+perlDreamerand the winner is SDH Consultinng16:42
+perlDreamerthat would be patspam, and andyio16:43
+perlDreamerA special T-Shirt is available honoring Koen De Jonge for his many contributions to WebGUI and the community16:47
+perlDreamerI'll try to post a picture of it later today16:47
+perlDreamerTime for the Community Award16:47
+perlDreamerthe nominees are:16:47
+perlDreamerBernd and Klaus, for translating WebGUI into German16:47
+perlDreamerthat translation is now at 100%, making german the 2nd fully translated language16:48
+perlDreamerErnesto (SquOnk), for his huge work in getting WebGUI in Debian16:48
+perlDreamerWes Morgan (cap10morgan) for community involvement and supporting WebGUI16:48
+perlDreamerThe Template Working Group, who made the beautiful new default templates in WebGUI 7.716:48
+perlDreamerGraham Knopp (Haarg), for building WGDev16:49
+perlDreamerLauralyn Ninow (elnino) for bug reporting, wiki pages, and helping out in IRC16:49
+perlDreamerand the winner is....16:50
+perlDreamerelnino!16:50
+SynQyay!16:50
+SynQshe has a really beautiful baby16:50
+patspamcongrats elnino!16:51
+perlDreamertime for the wG status report16:51
+perlDreamerthe last year was really huge16:51
+SynQlist of 15 by 3 on the screen16:51
+perlDreamerWebGUI 816:51
+perlDreamer"Changing gears"16:52
+SynQ"Change is coming"16:52
+SynQdon't be afraid16:53
+perlDreamerWebGUI 8 is the first major release which will be outside of the 5-year API compatibility guarantee16:53
+perlDreamerPerformance and Robustness and the two big goals for WebGUI 816:53
+perlDreamer"I want people to be able to run Facebook with WebGUI"16:53
+SynQwe are going from enterprise grade to carrier grade16:54
+perlDreamerIf it's fast, and if it's robust, then it's usable, which is good for everyone16:54
+perlDreamerThere will be a new Admin Console in WebGUI 8 that's driven by Ajax, which means no more page reloads for editing a page.16:55
+perlDreamerNote, JT's blog post on TBB about this will have nice pictures and more details16:55
+perlDreamerThe Asset Icon tool bar is replaced by a dropdown Options menu16:56
+perlDreamer(note, this saves fetching graphics and makes translating easier)16:56
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+patspam(we apologise for this momentary pause, colin appears to be fixing a wg bug)17:05
+perlDreamerindeed!17:07
+perlDreamerI'm more of a hacker than reporter17:07
+perlDreamerWebGUI 8 timeline will take... 18 months in development17:08
+perlDreamercheck the developer Forum for announcements, specifications17:08
+perlDreamerdiscussions should take place there17:08
+perlDreamerWhat happens until then?17:08
+perlDreamerUntil WebGUI 8, there will be community driver releases, 7.8, 7.9, 7.1017:09
+perlDreamer"community driven releases"17:09
+perlDreamerPlain Black won't be introducing new features in those releases17:09
+perlDreamerthey'll still do RFE days, but the community will making all new features17:09
+perlDreamernow it's a Q&A time about all this17:10
+perlDreamerI'd be happy to relay questions17:10
+perlDreamerA question about authentication17:10
+perlDreamerin 8, Authentication will be completely rewritten17:11
+perlDreamerand it will come with WebGUI authentication, LDAP, OpenID, and Facebook (which I think is just another OpenID provider)17:11
+perlDreamerIt will also come with Single Sign On between WebGUI sites17:12
+perlDreamerso you can deploy WebGUI on multiple sites and your users will only have to register on 1 site to have access to them all17:12
+perlDreamerAre there plans to add a DAV plugin in WebGUI before version 8?17:13
+perlDreamer"If someone has the time to finish the work that has been started, it can go into WebGUI 7"17:14
+perlDreamernote, WebGUI 7.8 is currently not frozen, so it's open to new features17:14
+perlDreamerThis DAV plugin will allow you to mount your WebGUI site as a shared drive.17:14
+perlDreamerso you can edit templates on your desktop17:14
+perlDreameryou can upload files via drag and drop17:15
+perlDreamerJT estimates 3-4 weeks of developer time, and a few weeks of templating work as well.17:15
ckotilyeah, that would be saweet.17:16
+perlDreamerThe spec is done, some prototype code is done, we just need someone with time and desire to get it done17:16
+perlDreamer"What are the plans for the Collaboration System"?17:16
+perlDreamerThe CS is too powerful and too generic for many cases.  It's also slow and hard to use for many cases.17:16
+perlDreamerOver the last couple of years, specific things have been developed to do CS-type things better17:17
+perlDreamerWiki, Gallery, Story Manager, and the new "Blog" asset which is in development.17:17
+perlDreamer"What about Thingy?"17:18
+patspameveryone should write their IRC names on their name badges :)17:19
+perlDreamerThingy has a long roadmap, and is currently on step 2 of 8 that are planned.17:19
ckotilnice.17:19
+perlDreamernote, by design and intent, WebGUI 8 will not be like WebGUI 617:20
+perlDreamerthanks again to SwiftySite for sponsoring the conference17:20
+SynQI just wrote my irc name on my badge17:21
+perlDreamerme, too17:21
ckotilI coudlnt make it to WUC. but i just so happen teaching a webgui class to some of my users today.17:21
+SynQckotil: you must be the 1 person decrease JT was just talking about17:22
+patspamqueue dance party mucis17:22
+patspams/mucis/music/17:22
ckotilheh. nah, i've never made it to one.17:22
ckotilnever had the balls to ask my boss to pay for it17:22
* SynQ mubles, silver gray hair :)17:24
+SynQthe wrath of /me >:)17:24
+perlDreamerGrey hair is the crown of the wise.17:25
+SynQin reality I only have a small patch at the back of my head17:27
+SynQI need to get more offspring to grow that17:28
+perlDreamerI hear that beards are a great way to display silver gray hair.17:28
+SynQhehe17:28
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preaction_wow, these internet connections are much nicer18:01
+perlDreameryes, and there are 5 of them!18:01
+perlDreamerwe'll have to let the conference people know how much better it is18:01
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+SynQI like it too, working internet is very important18:11
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rbd02a8c / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Remove debug code. - http://bit.ly/2aDVXS18:23
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re1c5d4a / (3 files in 3 dirs): Check for additional bad user profile field names. bug #10941 - http://bit.ly/4oS8XO18:23
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rea9e154 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix import Story Archive packages with sub-stories. - http://bit.ly/fCNM218:23
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r632e1e1 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Remove debug code. - http://bit.ly/3LSz3L18:33
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf5b2b6d / (3 files in 3 dirs): Check for additional bad user profile field names. bug #10941 - http://bit.ly/tdDEj18:33
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r021b7f8 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix import Story Archive packages with sub-stories. - http://bit.ly/Asnzc18:33
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+patspamSynQ: I just implemented a wgd plugin that checks that the config file has valid json19:12
+patspamHaarg: ping19:13
@Haargpong19:14
+patspamif your site.conf has invalid json, something like "wgd ls" will swallow the error and report asset not found19:14
+patspamwhen it lazy loads the session19:14
@Haarghmm19:15
@Haargcan you post that on the issue tracker?19:15
+patspamsure19:15
@Haargand how are you specifying the config file?19:15
+patspamWEBGUI_CONFIG19:18
+patspamenvironment variable19:18
+SynQpatspam: good news19:18
+perlDreamerpreaction: is smoke up and running?  I was wondering if I could peek at a coverage report from it.19:26
+patspamjumploader.com19:26
+SynQJumpLoader is free.19:27
+patspam"free" but you can't reverse engineer19:27
+patspamor alter19:27
+patspamand i think you have to pay to remove the logo19:27
+patspamNo logo version - $10019:27
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+perlDreamerand it's Java19:27
+patspamEnterprise version (source code) $40019:27
+patspamyeah, jaaa vaa19:28
+SynQuh huh19:28
+patspamperlDreamer loves java19:28
+SynQthere must be something that is opensource and works19:28
+perlDreamerYou do not like the current uploader?19:28
+SynQyou mean just the form?19:29
+patspamthe wordpress image upload user interface isn't too bad19:30
preaction_perlDreamer: smoke can't do coverage, not enough RAM19:31
+patspamSynQ: swfupload is the most common flash-based open source multi-file uploader19:32
+patspambut it doesn't have the image interface19:32
+SynQah19:36
+SynQpatspam: do you use that anywhere?19:36
+patspamswfupload?19:41
+SynQuh huh19:45
+patspamno19:45
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rcf9df28 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.19-7.8.0.pl : Fix import Story Archive packages with sub-stories. - http://bit.ly/mOgeP19:45
+SynQperhaps we could look into that19:45
+SynQfor wg819:46
+perlDreamerdoes it require flash, like the name implies?19:46
+patspamyup19:46
+perlDreamerdoes it meet the usability requirements that we've been hearing about?19:46
+patspamusability = fast?19:47
+patspam=p19:47
+SynQperlDreamer is our consience here19:47
+perlDreamerusability == snazzy :)19:47
+patspamI haven't used it on a site of my own so I can't really comment19:48
+perlDreamerI figure that since I'm older than everybody it's my responsibility to be responsible.19:48
+SynQbattery low19:48
+SynQgotta go19:48
+patspammore coffee19:48
+patspamperlDreamer: maybe we can replace mysql with KiokuDB in wg819:50
+perlDreamerKiokuDB is the non relational db?19:51
* perlDreamer needs to wikipedia that19:51
+patspammoose-based object graph storage engine19:52
+perlDreamerpersistent objects...19:52
+perlDreamerhm19:52
+BartJoloh, will WG8 be companied by a new wre, sounds like that will be necessary19:53
* perlDreamer heads to lunch19:53
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+patspami hope so19:54
preaction_yes, since memcached will be required19:54
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CIA-53WebGUI: translation * r12347 /translations/ (187 files in 3 dirs): Update from translation server20:15
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SquOnkGreetings.20:35
SquOnkQuestion.20:35
SquOnkDo <tmpl_if name="__first__"> (or __last__ or _odd_, etc.) work as expected?20:36
SquOnk(In WebGUI templates, I mean)20:36
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SquOnkIdeas anyone?20:43
JDanSquOnk: These variables come from HTML::Template20:44
JDanSo answare is : Yes20:44
SquOnkJDan: Good20:44
SquOnkThere's another weird request I have...20:44
SquOnk...one usually places ^L() on the main style so the login/logout appears everywhere.20:45
SquOnkThe owner of a particular site already has created a separate page for login.20:45
SquOnkAnd she wants the ^L() macro to work only for logged in sessions. That way, the "logout"  link would appear only for logged in sessions.20:46
SquOnkSo I'm guessing an "if logged" wrapping ^L() will do the trick.20:46
JDanI understand. just moment. 20:46
SquOnkQuestion is: How do I check for a logged user from>20:47
JDanI look at my works20:47
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SquOnkThere's probably a variable for that, but I can't seem to find it.20:48
KlausH^GroupText("Registered Users","<a href='?op=auth;method=logout'>Logout</a>");20:49
SquOnkKlausH: What does that do?20:49
SquOnkKlausH: Ah! Thanks!20:51
KlausHthis example of grouptext macro displays to all members of group "Registerd Users" the second part which is the link to log out .20:51
SquOnkKlausH: Just figured it out. Thank you!20:51
SquOnkKlausH: That would work, sure.20:53
KlausHon most sites I also use a separate login page with no link to. You can add the AdminToggle() Macro to the page style, then you have admin on/off on each page. will display only when logged in20:54
SquOnkKlausH: That's the idea.20:54
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SquOnkAside from that solution, is there a variable to find out if the current session belongs to a registered user?20:54
JDanMy solution is another. I use template for ^L and inside template I use <tmpl_if user.isVisitor>20:54
SquOnkJust to have the <tmpl_if registered>^L();</tmpl_if>20:55
SquOnkJDan: Ah, just answered my question :-)20:55
JDanIn my opinion is more flexible for webmastering20:55
SquOnkJDan: So you change ^L's template, right? You leave ^L in the Style Template.21:01
+BartJolthat is a good option21:01
SquOnkBartJol: Is there a way to find that out _outside_ of ^L()'s template.21:02
+BartJolworks better than the grouptext macro21:02
JDanYes. I make special template for ^L21:02
+BartJolwell, not as far as I know21:02
+BartJolbecause the visitor is a legitimate user21:02
JDanThe better way is collecting templates at one folder for each style21:02
+BartJoland is logged in21:02
+BartJolmore people have had problems with that21:03
+BartJolwhat do you want to do?21:04
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SquOnkBartJol: This customer has setup a separate login page. They don't want the login box showing up everywhere.21:06
SquOnkBartJol: But they want the logout link to show everywhere once the user has registered.21:06
+BartJolah21:06
SquOnkBartJol: I thought of wrapping ^L() with a tmpl_if, but that would need a variable saying whether or not this is a registered user.21:07
SquOnkBartJol: Now, is there such a variable?21:07
+BartJolnope21:07
SquOnkBartJol: That's what I tought after looking around and not finding anything obvious...21:07
+BartJolyou can just make a ^L(); template21:08
SquOnkBartJol: That's what I will suggest.21:08
+BartJolthat would be the designed way to go21:08
JDanBartJol: Maybe you know is there any method for searching asset by it's ID at Assats Tree?21:08
+BartJolit is easy to make21:08
+BartJolso if your looking in the assetmangers search function?\21:09
+BartJolnormally I probably would use the db when I have access21:09
JDanSquOnk: Go to Asset Tree, make new folder and create new Template by cliking on left menu21:09
+BartJolI'll have a look21:09
SquOnkJDan: I know how to do that, thanks!21:09
+BartJolor do you mean the search asset?21:10
JDanBartJol: I think abut quick way. Not by sql query21:10
JDanFor example, in Asset Tree I can search. But not by ID21:11
+BartJolwell sql is quick ;)21:11
JDanYes, I know21:11
+BartJolI see21:11
JDanBut not for webmasters21:11
+BartJolsorry for my bad joke21:11
JDanI can manager, nor my webmasters21:11
JDanI can manage21:12
+BartJoldoing research at the wuc21:12
+BartJoldoug is looking21:12
+BartJolJDan: you can do it by typing assetid: in front of your assetId21:14
+BartJolin the search fielsd21:14
+BartJoldidn't know that, learned something, cool21:14
JDanyes, It's too simple for my mind21:15
+BartJol?21:15
+BartJolit is stuff you just have to know21:15
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JDanNow, I understand. It's simple. I can use http://www.mysite/root/import/workservice/login_box?op=assetManager;assitid=ID21:18
+BartJolah, well, if it works is good21:18
+BartJolnot what I meant, but if that is the url you're getting, it apparently works21:19
JDanyeh, url have to be correct21:20
JDanso, it's not simple21:20
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+BartJolJDan: the easy option is to click search in the assetmanager (but people have to be able to enter that)21:32
JDanBartJol: Search in the AsstManager doesn't search by assetId21:33
JDanOr, my WebGUI wokrs in other way ;-)21:34
+BartJolit does when you search for assetid: in front of your actual ID21:34
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+perlDreamerthat is a new feature, though, BartJol21:35
+BartJolah21:35
+perlDreamerit may not be in 7.621:35
+BartJoldoug just told me21:36
+BartJolbut not that it was nes21:36
+BartJolnew21:36
JDanit's good news for us21:36
+BartJolwell, it is good if your searching for assets which is referred to by their assetId, like templates of macros21:37
+perlDreamerthis is in 7.7 and .821:37
preaction_yeah, it's brand-new. steve opal added it21:40
preaction_i want to add more search features like that, since google does it and it works well for them21:41
preaction_the site:mysite.com thing, for example21:41
preaction_it'd be nice to say, for example: namespace:Gallery/View21:42
+BartJolwell, you already can select a namespace21:45
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+perlDreamerLadies and gentlemen and bots, I give you the 2009 CotY, patspam21:49
+perlDreamerGive him a big hand21:49
preaction_yeah, namespace is part of the keywords for a template i believe21:49
* BartJol is clapping21:49
+perlDreamerno you're not.  I can see you.21:50
@bopbopI'm holding up a big foam hand with patspam written on it21:50
@bopbopbut I'm in the next room 21:50
+BartJolfrom that far in the back?21:50
@bopbopso nobody knows why21:50
* BartJol is clapping mentally21:50
+BartJolperlDreamer: CotY is Colin of the Year, right?22:01
* perlDreamer is embarassed22:02
+BartJolyou actually do look embarassed a bit22:03
+perlDreameryou can see that, all the way from the front?22:03
+BartJolsure, I have a good glasses maker22:03
+BartJolwith mood sensores22:04
+SynQhttp://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/1095822:11
+BartJolooh22:12
+SynQhttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m48d6de222:14
+SynQbart, you should be able to implement that in 10 minutes ;)22:14
+perlDreamervery nice payment skeleton22:15
+BartJolwell, I am paying attention, this presentation is distracting22:15
+perlDreamerit would be good to have that in the core22:15
+perlDreameris Joeri amenable?22:15
+patspamhe agrees, just needs comments added22:16
+perlDreamershould be called something like _payment.skeleton22:16
+perlDreamer(oh, and POD)22:16
+patspamkoen is rfeing it now22:16
+perlDreamerno need22:16
+perlDreamerthat can go right in22:16
+perlDreamerit is bug-esque22:16
+perlDreameri18n changes are bugs22:17
+perlDreamermissing POD is a bug22:17
+SynQhttp://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/1095922:17
+perlDreamermissing documentation is a bug22:17
+perlDreamerand code examples are in there too22:17
+SynQbug-esque22:17
+perlDreamer"like a bug"22:17
+perlDreamerromanesque22:18
+perlDreamerlike a roman22:18
+perlDreamerstatuesque22:18
+perlDreamerlike a statue22:18
+perlDreamerburlesque22:18
+perlDreamerlike a burle22:18
@bopbopburle?22:18
+BartJolplesk, like pl22:19
@bopbopI think you made that one up22:19
+BartJollika a pl22:19
+perlDreamerI think I did too22:19
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hanswhi all22:37
+BartJolhi hansw22:37
hanswhmm, to busy to toy with webgui22:37
hanswbuggers22:37
hanswjust a short question, I read webgui is supported by debian these days, is that true?22:39
+BartJolyea, it become a package22:39
hanswcool22:39
hanswlenny?22:39
+BartJolnot sure in which debian22:39
preaction_yeah, it's in testing right now (sid)22:39
hanswgreat, good news22:39
preaction_it didn't make it into lenny afaik, but lenny+1 i think.22:39
hanswthat's ok by me22:39
preaction_we've adjusted webgui's release to help the debian package maintainer out a bit22:40
hanswI need to make some time to test it22:40
hanswgetting it in debian will save me a lot of time22:41
hanswI know, I'm lazy22:42
+BartJolmost people are :)22:42
hanswthey should be :-)22:42
hanswand I made more resources available today, so I can test another vm using 2 GB of memory22:43
hanswwe had servers using 1 GB that can do it with 256 MB of memory22:44
hanswjust by switching from rcp to rsync :-)22:44
hanswif only there was a scorm player that would work on webgui, that would be a big boost in the educational world22:46
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+BartJolhansw: if there is a good API for such a player, you could implement it as an asset22:51
+BartJoltakes some work22:52
+patspamHaarg: boing22:53
@Haarg?22:53
+patspamare you planning on turning addsite into a wgd plugin?22:54
@Haargi've considered it22:54
+patspamdiona is talking about how they copy a "prototype" site to create new sites22:55
+SynQhttp://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/1096022:57
+patspamjust think, once i move to the US timezone i can bug you with random wgd plugin ideas all day..22:57
+SynQthat rfe should be assigned to me22:58
hanswBartJol, there is22:58
+SynQno perldreamer around?22:58
+BartJolwell, there you go22:58
hanswBartJol, but i'm not a real perl coder, download spamikaze and you will see :-)22:59
sbaurI just gave 10960 some karma - i like that idea a lot22:59
hanswBartJol, but I do know that if there was such a player that would perform well then there would be companies interested23:01
+SynQhttp://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/1096123:01
hansw2 of them in the netherlands23:01
+patspamhow is that different from backup.pl?23:02
hansw1 in italy and the usa23:02
+BartJolwell, I think oqapi should be able to implment that23:02
+SynQpatspam: it probably is the same as backup.pl only then for one site23:02
+SynQand backup.pl is for automatically scheduled stuff23:03
+SynQthe backup.pl script is really basic23:03
+BartJolthey implement a lot of stuff into webgui23:03
+BartJolhansw: http://www.oqapi.nl/contact23:04
+BartJolit won't be free23:04
hanswBartJol, that is not a real problem, they spend 1.4 years for a customer, it's still not working23:06
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hanswbut it might be complex for people that do not understand how it is working23:06
+BartJolwell I don't know where it is going wrong23:07
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+BartJolbut, as I said you might discuss it with oqapi23:07
+BartJolif people have problems for more than a year, me neither will be able to solve that in an hour23:08
+BartJol:)23:08
+BartJolpatspam: that looks like Delft23:08
+patspamno street view?23:08
+BartJoljust the map23:09
+patspami want to see you guys through the window23:09
hanswBartJol, I am not expecting you will :-)23:09
+BartJolyou don't23:09
+SynQthanks sbaur 23:09
+BartJolI mean you woouldn't23:09
+BartJolwe have a naked working code23:09
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+SynQpatspam has started his talk23:33
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CIA-53webgui: Doug Bell master * r6da85b8 / (8 files in 6 dirs): add #455: Featured page in wiki - http://bit.ly/1UmE7P00:00
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JDanPlHi. How to activate custom workflow in Scheduler? I made own workflow and configured it in Workflow Manager. Workflow is enable.12:30
JDanPlBut when I try create new task  I can't see this workflow 12:32
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ckotilJDanPl: did you add your custom workflow activity to your webgui config?17:02
JDanPlHi BartJol. I solved problem with Spectre communication error17:02
JDanPlckotil: Yes,17:02
+BartJolJDanPl: cool17:02
JDanPlJDanPl: finally problem was that I didn't set proper group in config17:03
+BartJolah17:03
CIA-53webgui: Graham Knop master * rf40992f / (etc/.gitignore sbin/.gitignore): adding some ignored files - http://bit.ly/ajpgi17:03
+BartJolJDanPl: might be usefull to put the solution in the forum thread17:04
JDanPlBartJol Specre error disappeared when I added domain to /etc/hosts. Strange. I thought DNS servce is enough17:05
JDanPlBartJol: ok, I'll make answare to my posts17:05
+BartJolwell, since you're using the local IP, that request does not get a hostname17:05
+BartJoldns is skipped probably, I guess17:06
JDanPlok, I write last posts and ... sorry, but I go to my vacation17:07
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+BartJolhave fun!17:09
JDanPlSun, strong wind, and windsurfing! 17:10
JDanPlEh17:10
+BartJolsounds good17:10
+SynQgood morning17:10
+SynQhttp://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/1096817:11
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+SynQmorning kristi17:11
@kristi morning Koen!17:11
+SynQbopbopbopbopbop17:11
@kristi:)17:11
+SynQI am going to make you happy today :)17:11
@kristireally.... do I dare ask why?17:11
+SynQI'll say one word: pictures!17:12
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@bopbopyeah!!! that will make me happy :) :)17:12
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+patspamHaarg: good morning18:10
@Haargmorning18:10
@bopboppatspam: bopbop=kristi18:11
+patspamahhh!18:12
+patspamhello!18:12
+patspam:)18:12
@bopbophi there :)18:12
+patspamthose survey screenshots were from an older version of wg yeah?18:12
@bopbopyes18:12
@bopbop7.618:12
+patspamphew.. i was having flashbacks =p18:13
@bopbopwe're working on catching up to you18:13
+patspamthe new edit survey dialogs are hopefully more intuitive to the end user18:13
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+patspam"recoded value" is now "score" etc..18:13
+patspams/recoded/recorded/18:14
@bopbopI'll be looking at it more closely in the next couple of weeks... you'll probably hear from me as I go through it18:14
+patspamgreat18:14
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rebffc80 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration/Newsletter.pm : Fix a POD typo in the Newsletter CS. - http://bit.ly/2POW1d18:21
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r633f10d / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Remove debug code. - http://bit.ly/B226g18:21
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb090f92 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the Newsletter template. Hide subscribe link if used in a CS, and change the namespace. - http://bit.ly/JxMkz18:21
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r82ca6dc / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.19-7.7.20.pl : Fix import Story Archive packages with sub-stories. - http://bit.ly/10BIJ718:21
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re99917e / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration/Newsletter.pm : Fix a POD typo in the Newsletter CS. - http://bit.ly/10s15l18:21
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rbf8f37e / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the Newsletter template. Hide subscribe link if used in a CS, and change the namespace. - http://bit.ly/GPsm718:21
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * raba4cb6 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move upgrade package to correct location. - http://bit.ly/4qUaUi18:22
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CIA-53WebGUI: translation * r12348 /translations/Russian/Russian/ (21 files): Update from translation server18:56
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preaction_why aren't more designers in Arjan's talk? this is good stuff here21:50
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r0a293f7 / lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/NotifyAboutThing.pm : remove dead code from NotifyAboutThing. - http://bit.ly/3bGnkQ22:38
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r785523f / lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/NotifyAboutThing.pm : remove dead code from NotifyAboutThing. - http://bit.ly/wvOT22:38
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r229aaaa / lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/SendNewsletters.pm : Fix POD, remove dead code, use correct TTL in SendNewsletters. - http://bit.ly/14Ak4W22:57
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra716828 / lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/SendNewsletters.pm : Fix POD, remove dead code, use correct TTL in SendNewsletters. - http://bit.ly/1rwMHN22:58
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preaction_do we have a "WebGUI Design Guidelines"? if not we need one23:46
preaction_the drop-down box for "What Next?" in certain places is retarded, it should be a series of buttons23:46
preaction_and moving fields up/dn in a dataform is completely borked...23:52
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SquOnkGreetings01:41
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mducharmewhen is there a 7.7.20 release01:57
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zambaroohey guys06:16
preaction_hi06:16
zambarooduring an installation of the latest stable release im running into an issue with mysql driver. this is on centos5.06:17
zambarooCan't load '/data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/i686-linux/auto/DBD/mysql/mysql.so' for module DBD::mysql:06:17
preaction_oh, do "setenforce 0" and try again06:17
zambaroothink its selinux?06:18
preaction_that's what someone else tried and it worked06:19
zambarooyes it is06:19
zambarook, different error now.06:19
zambaroomkay06:19
zambaroothats permissions06:19
zambaroothanks!06:19
preaction_np06:19
zambarootrying to use this thing with an external database06:27
zambaroorunning into some issues though06:27
zambarooSite could not be created because MySQL appears to be down. at sbin/wreconsole.pl line 234 06:28
zambaroothere's a check create sanity there (on that line)06:29
zambaroois there like a log facility for the console?06:29
zambaroobecause the db is up and running06:30
zambaroosucky :/06:34
zambaroohrm... my.cnf06:56
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daviddelikatpreaction: good morning16:57
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daviddelikatpreaction: good morning17:22
preaction_morning17:22
daviddelikatI'm working on the Urls for Users request17:22
daviddelikatand I was wondering if you want me to put a target in the anchor tag so that it does not over write the helpdesk page when the user clicks17:23
daviddelikaton a user nema17:23
daviddelikats/nema/name/17:23
preaction_no need, that's what ctrl+click is for17:24
daviddelikatsounds good17:24
daviddelikatI'm almost doen with the template changes17:24
daviddelikatshould be pushing code in 15-20 min17:24
preaction_sweet17:24
daviddelikatbtw: there is no status changes by variable, but there is a resolved by variable17:25
+patspamSynQ: ping17:25
preaction_daviddelikat: in the ticket history? there's a username there17:26
daviddelikatyes there is in ticket history17:26
daviddelikatit may take a bit longer to get ticket history changed17:26
preaction_np17:26
daviddelikatI did do the comments though17:27
daviddelikatthat was easy17:27
daviddelikatis there a common function to create anchor tags in WG session or somewhere?17:31
preaction_no, you should just give the URL, no tag17:31
daviddelikatwhen I do the ajax change I'm creating the whole anchor tag to send back to the browser, that was I don't have to mess around with looking for the anchor element and change it...17:32
preaction_ah, but still no, you'll have to do it by hand17:33
daviddelikat k thanks17:33
preaction_gotta go get some breakfast, still in madison17:34
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+patspamany dutch folk still around?17:44
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CIA-53webgui: daviddelikat master * r7fff83f / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.19-7.8.0.pl : fixed the name of an upgrade function, now the upgrade works - http://bit.ly/2tYqxU21:13
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* patspam is hanging out at madison airport waiting for a flight22:00
+patspamat least the chairs here are comfy22:00
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daviddelikatthere are many URL's in the dev wiki that don't work any more...01:36
* SDuensin noticed that.01:38
SDuensinI like the appearance of the new WebGUI site, but functionally, it blows.  No offense to anyone who worked on it.01:38
daviddelikatI really like the imensly long and extremely repetative titles on the pages with titles that are repetative and very long.01:39
daviddelikatapparently lit helps with search engines01:40
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daviddelikatI once saw a 'standard' to be used in naming i18n fields but now i can't find it...01:43
daviddelikatany body seen it?01:43
SDuensinnada01:43
* SDuensin is close to doing something Very Bad... Installing Alfresco. :-(01:44
daviddelikatwhats alfresco?01:45
@Haargthere are plans to improve the state of the wikis on webgui.org.  we talked about it a bunch at the hackathon01:45
SDuensinHaarg - I need document management (aka, WGFS).01:46
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SquOnkGreetings05:04
SDuensinHowdy05:05
SquOnkSDuensin: I've been trying to checkout the 7.7 branch from SVN, but haven't been able to?05:06
SquOnkThat wasn't a question but a statement ...05:06
SquOnk...it's still in SVN, right?05:06
SDuensinUh.  Might be in GIT now.  Not sure.05:06
SquOnkAh, that would explain my epic failure at checking it out <g>05:07
SquOnkAnyone care to give the appropiate incantation to get the GIT repo?05:10
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SquOnkI'm going to start with05:16
SquOnkgit clone git://github.com/plainblack/webgui.git05:16
SquOnkIs that it?05:16
* SDuensin shrugs05:17
SquOnkWhere's perlDreamer when you need him? ;-)05:17
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carogray1daviddelikat1:  haha03:31
daviddelikat1hi I was wondering what 1 was about?03:31
carogray1it was a mistake. When the kids at home turn my computer on it automatically logs into all my instant messaging programs and for aol I am supposed to type in 1 to log off all other instances where the IM programming is running. 03:32
carogray1by mistake I typed 1 into the WebGUI chat window instead of the aol window03:33
carogray1I am on the bus coming home from WUC09 - were you there?03:33
daviddelikat1i see03:33
daviddelikat1in my basement03:33
daviddelikat1is the bus crowded?03:33
carogray1not too bad - you are in your basement now, or were you attending WUC09 from your basement?03:34
daviddelikat1I'm workign in my basement03:34
daviddelikat1thats where my office is03:34
daviddelikat1I did not make it to much of WUC03:34
daviddelikat1just the hackathon for a couple of hours03:35
carogray1not to much of WUC eh? so you are in Madison then? I did not make it to the hackathon and was sorely disappointed03:35
carogray1however in the end many kind WG guru types gave me loads of help so it worked out ok in the end.03:35
carogray1sorry to have missed you03:35
daviddelikat1I liv ein madison yes.  couldn't afford to go03:36
carogray1what a drag - I hate that...too bad you couldn't have lurked in the hallways, sabotaged people in the lobby was there anything in particular you were interested in learning about?03:36
daviddelikat1hopefully next year i will have more work and a better schedule so I can got the whole thing...03:37
daviddelikat1one of my main goals was to meet people03:37
daviddelikat1which I did some at the hackathon03:37
daviddelikat1but I didn't spend much time there as I would have liked03:38
carogray1oh that really is a shame - still I guess the most important people to meet were probably all at the hackathon, 03:38
daviddelikat1didn't even pull out a laptop...03:38
carogray1what did you manage to do?03:38
daviddelikat1not necessarily, you weren't there...03:38
daviddelikat1just talked to people03:38
carogray1hah03:38
daviddelikat1'course they wwere having network issues...03:39
daviddelikat1I got my Palm PC connected for a little while...03:39
carogray1I am mostly trying to learn I really don't really have anything to offer> Maybe one day03:39
daviddelikat1so that was fun03:39
carogray1hmm if you are in Madison - do you already see the PB people anyhow? or are you on your own?03:40
daviddelikat1everyone has something to offer, just have to identify it03:40
carogray1or perhaps you wanted to see all the Dutch and North Carolina people?03:40
daviddelikat1yes I see them about once a month03:40
daviddelikat1and Oregon03:40
carogray1oh yes, PerlDreamer right?03:41
carogray1He is one of the nicest people I have ever met!03:41
daviddelikat1he's shorter than I expected03:41
carogray1yep03:41
daviddelikat1that happend to me a lot though, I'm 6'2"03:42
daviddelikat1but then there are lots of people taller than me nowadays03:42
carogray1I thought he was going to stay longer and compete in the ironman what with all his always leavig the chat room to go to the gym and run etc03:42
carogray1I am short too. 5 almost 3"03:42
daviddelikat1thats right that was today wasn't it03:42
carogray1I think it was yesterday not sure though03:43
daviddelikat1yeah I can't keep track...03:43
daviddelikat1I'm going to get back to work, thanks for chatting03:43
carogray1okey doke will probably miss you next year, but it was nice chatting 03:44
daviddelikat1enjoy the buss, I haven't ridden on one in a while03:44
daviddelikat1I kinda like it if they aren'yt too crowded03:44
carogray1this is my regular commuter bus - New Hampshire to Boston.. will lose Internet connection soon, but that may be a relief, wishing you a productive evening bye03:45
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0b1deab / lib/WebGUI/AssetMetaData.pm : Refactor getMetaDataFields to use WebGUI::SQL methods. - http://bit.ly/217QTS05:34
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CIA-53wgdev: Graham Knop master * r001347e / lib/WGDev/Command.pm : fix two typos in WGDev::Command - http://bit.ly/ir15Y06:19
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elninohow was wuc?06:56
elninois there a way to sort the forums alphabetically in a message board?06:57
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+BartJolgoodmorning16:23
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+danny_mkgood day everyone16:28
+BartJolhi16:29
+danny_mkI am still having the same problem upgrading from 6.35 -> 7.19, it seems I am going to have to breakdown and install using WRE16:29
+danny_mknice meeting you guys at the conference :-)16:30
+BartJol7.1.9?16:30
+danny_mk7.7.19 stable16:31
+danny_mksorry16:31
+BartJolah16:31
+BartJolah, so also 7.6.35 probably16:31
+danny_mkno16:33
+BartJoloh16:34
+BartJolthere should be some docs on that16:34
+danny_mkI am currenty running 7.6.3516:36
+danny_mkno problem updating to that one16:36
+BartJolso from 6.35 /6.99 to 7.6.35 is going ok?16:38
+danny_mkyup16:38
+BartJolany idea what is breaking?16:38
+BartJola lot of running testenvironment?16:39
+danny_mkcheck out:  http://webgui.pastebin.com/d33752e9916:39
+BartJolmmm in my version (7.7.18) line 312 says something about starting a workflow16:41
+BartJolare you going directly from 7.6 to 7.7 series?16:42
+BartJolI mean directly to latest 7.716:43
+danny_mkYup, yes16:43
+danny_mkit should work OK, says so in the gotchas16:43
+BartJoljust checked :)16:44
+BartJolin the beginning of 7.7, the upgrade to the first of the branch was necessary16:45
+danny_mkhmmm...16:46
+BartJolit seems that would not be necessary at this moment16:46
+BartJolsmall toilet break brb16:47
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+BartJolbut that error does not sound to bad in a way16:51
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+danny_mkyou know, the weird thing is that I can upgrade to 7.7.18 no problem16:53
+BartJolmmm16:54
+BartJolno rss related stuff in the changelog either16:55
+danny_mkthat is the thing, if I had at least a clue of where it is failing I could upgrade.  However, this problem does not produce any log errors that I can see16:57
+BartJolah, that is earlier16:57
+danny_mkthat is why I may have to breakdown and install using wre16:59
+BartJolisn't there a cpan module needed for that RssFeed?17:00
+BartJoldo you have custom assets using Rss features17:01
+BartJolI see some stuff in the 7.7.2 gotcha17:01
+danny_mkno, no custom assets running Rss features17:03
+BartJolok, well that leaves out that17:04
+BartJolthere are some modules requested in the 7.7 series17:04
+BartJolall installed? XML::FeedPP sounds a bit related17:05
+danny_mklet me check17:05
+danny_mkyup, that is installed17:06
+danny_mkXML::FeedPP is up to date (0.40)17:07
+BartJolmmm17:11
+danny_mkalright, I am going the upgrade 1 version at a time route17:12
+danny_mkfrom 7.6.3517:12
+danny_mkmaybe I missed something17:12
+BartJolis there a 7.6.35 to 7.7.0 upgrade script then?17:13
+BartJolI don't believe there is17:14
+BartJolso via downgrading to the appropiate 7.6 version will be painfull17:15
+danny_mkI am starting from the beggining, 7.6.35....7.7.1917:15
+BartJolthat is 1 script17:16
+BartJoloh, you're commenting out the sub stuff in there17:17
+danny_mkhmmmm.... got error17:17
+BartJolstrange my script says 7.7.17 as toVersion17:19
+danny_mkWTF???17:19
+danny_mkalright, I have bigger issues here.  I will get back to you when I am succesful17:19
+BartJolok, good luck17:19
+danny_mkthank you.17:20
+BartJolah, and I read it wrong17:21
+BartJol7.7.17 is correct17:21
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+BartJolhey tavisto, arrived savely in michigan?17:33
+BartJolapparently you did17:34
@tavistohey bartjol, yep sure did. Ferry ride was very nice with yesterday's weather17:34
+BartJolcan imagine17:34
@tavistohow was your flight?17:34
+BartJolok, but did not get enough sleep17:34
+BartJoland I got a free upgrade to economy plus17:35
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+BartJolsince I haven't got a creditcard and they did not accept cash or debet cards17:35
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CIA-53wgdev: Graham Knop master * rf9c3658 / (lib/WGDev.pm t/01_WGDev.t t/03_WGDev-Command.t): 18:09
CIA-53wgdev: load config file immediately when set18:09
CIA-53wgdev: This allows us to detect errors in the file and reject it. - http://bit.ly/EBSa418:09
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+BartJolHaarg: should I test the reaction of a "new" function when no class or session is given to it?18:22
@Haargno, that isn't really needed18:23
+BartJolok18:23
+BartJolthat is relief18:23
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+BartJolwell, I believe I finished testing and pod of all my code19:36
+BartJolI suppose I should make a github account then19:37
@preactionyup19:49
+BartJolinstalling git now19:50
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+BartJoldanny_mk: did you manage the upgrade?21:31
+danny_mkI was successful at work but not on my home server, I will have to do that tonight using the WRE.  I should be going that route anyway.21:32
+BartJolok, cool that it worked on 1 side21:35
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CIA-53webgui: hao master * ra48b16d / (5 files in 5 dirs): Fixed #10967: Using a round bracket (parenthesis) in a macro. Unbalanced parentheses can now be escaped in macro calls using the backslash character. - http://bit.ly/qppWy22:33
CIA-53webgui: hao master * r5a43e24 / (8 files in 6 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/UHGk922:33
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@preactionanyone know if there's a way to create a profile field that's only editable by Admins?22:54
@preactionand anybody know why the new user profile system wasn't designed for Admins to edit profiles too?22:55
@Haargdo you think it's worth adding an extra parameter to buildHashRef or making a new method for a 31% speedup?22:59
@Haargcan't you just make the field not editable?  admins can always edit them though the admin panel.23:00
@preactionyeah, i can, but this is to improve our processes, not create more work23:05
@preactionHaarg: why can't the speedup be the default? what breaks?23:05
@Haargi'm going to add a speedup that doesn't change the results at all23:05
@Haargbut i can add another 30% if it only works for 2 column selects23:06
@preactionis there a method with that exact functionality in DBI?23:06
@preactionif so, use the DBI name for it23:06
@preactioni'd like to see WebGUI::SQL gone permanently23:06
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@Haargnot the exact function23:07
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@preactionand then no way to detect what's happening before it needs to happen, i take it?23:08
@Haargbasically, %hash = @{ $dbh->selectcol_arrayref($sql, { Columns => [1,2] } @$params) }23:08
@Haargnot without parsing the sql23:08
@Haargmissed a comma in that23:08
@preactioni'd say make a new method then, because buildHash/buildHashRef may go away, but your method may not23:10
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@preactionselectcol_keyvalue maybe?23:10
@preactioner.. selectall_keyvalue rather, that's more DBI-like23:10
@preactioner.. damn, it uses underscores, we can't do that...23:11
@preactionwell, is JT there with you? might want to ask him if we can name things like DBI does for ease of adoption23:12
@Haarghe's not23:12
@Haargand i'm going to guess the answer is no23:12
@Haargif we want to keep with ::SQL style, i was thinking buildSimpleHashRef23:12
@Haargmainly because i can't think of anything better23:12
@preactionperhaps we should ask, and CC me on the e-mail and say it comes from both of us. there's nothing WebGUI::SQL does that can't be done better by other things now, and everybody does them without WebGUI::SQL these days anyway23:13
@preactionhell, is buildCSV even used in Core anymore?23:14
@preactionbut mainly, if we have the power in 8.0, we need to use it23:14
@preactiongod, the argument will probably devolve into "we aren't rewriting all of webgui" for just this one simple addition...23:14
@preactionbut 30% speedup, i mean seriously, you can't buy that23:15
@preactionand in WebGUI::SQL, used by everything everywhere23:15
@HaargbuildHashRef is pretty slow too23:15
@Haarglast time i profiled stuff it was the largest percent of a page view to retrieve settings23:15
@Haargfor a simple page for visitor23:16
@preactiongood christ23:16
@preactionthat's horrible23:16
@Haargi actually think WebGUI::SQL could be useful but most of what it does right now is rather poor23:18
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@preactionuseful as a subclass of DBI maybe?23:19
@preactionthe point being that Perl people know DBI, there are entire books written on it23:19
@Haargi'm thinking i may just put in my simple optimization that doesn't change the results and use something better for settings23:27
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+MrHairgreaseOQAPI!23:31
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+MrHairgreaseI could use aspotted cow, yes23:34
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rff93d68 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Fix a bad template variable in SendNewletters workflow activity, bug #10953 - http://bit.ly/117f7C05:00
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5ee64a5 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Account/Profile.pm): Allow profile fields to be emptied. Fixes bug #10913. - http://bit.ly/d0mew06:44
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1ddfdf0 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Account/Profile.pm): Allow profile fields to be emptied. Fixes bug #10913. - http://bit.ly/l0QDR06:44
@preactionperlDre... you're not here06:44
@preactionyou need to be careful with that one06:44
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+perlDreamertalk to me preaction07:04
+perlDreamerIt's hard being short07:07
+perlDreamerpreaction: going to crash out07:31
+perlDreamerI'll be back online tomorrow07:31
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zmkhi, does anyone know if there's a way to insert the automatically generated thumbnail of an image into for example a page by simply browsing the image? I mean outside of a gallery or an image's own view there's little use of the thumbnail ...09:59
zmkie. if a content manager needs to add an image into a text as a thumbnail that's clickable to full size, is that possible without uploading 2 images?10:01
zmkOk for articles I can use attachments and that's good, for articles I actually need pre-defined positions for the images defined in templates. But for page descriptions and maybe for certain articles the images need to be inserted freely and I'm sure there has to be a user friendly way to insert them as thumbnails ...10:20
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie refs/tags/v7.7.7 * rd259e92 / docs/gotcha.txt : Add missing gotchas for new modules. - http://bit.ly/GiSqj11:37
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@bopbopbartjol: are you around?17:19
+bartjoloh, eeh yes17:20
+bartjolI am17:20
@bopbopI hear I'm supposed to send you some text: do you want the whole book at once, or would you like a hundred or so pages now?17:21
+bartjolso, what's up bopbop?17:21
+bartjolwell, e-mailing a book in a time won't work I suspect (e-mail has it's limits)17:21
@bopbopyeah, I suppose :)17:22
+bartjolis it somewhere where you (or one of the tech staff) can make it available for me via ssh?17:22
@bopbopyeah, I was just thinking along the same lines17:22
@bopbopI'll try to get something set up today17:22
@bopbopand I'll email you the details17:22
+bartjolcool17:22
+bartjolI won't be out of work i the naar future17:23
+bartjolnear17:23
+bartjolin17:23
@bopbopno, I suspect not17:23
@bopbopdo you have a dropbox account?17:23
+bartjolope17:24
+bartjolnope17:24
@bopbopok17:24
+bartjolare those free (I remain dutch :))17:24
@bopbophttps://www.getdropbox.com/17:25
@bopbopcan't remember if it's free, but it's cheap17:25
@bopbopI'll see if it's an option for this17:25
+bartjolah, depends on the size <GB is free17:26
+bartjol<2GB17:26
+bartjolso if that fits17:26
@bopbopyeah, it'll fit17:27
+bartjolwell17:27
@bopbop make an account17:27
@bopboplet me know when you have it set up17:27
@bopbopand I'll set up a folder for this project that we can use17:27
@bopbopI'll send you an invite to the folder once you're ready17:28
+bartjolok17:28
+bartjolcool17:28
@bopbopk17:28
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+bartjolbopbop: dropbox@bartjol.l17:36
@bopbopok, thx17:36
+bartjolthat is .nl off course17:38
@bopbopok17:41
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@bopbopbartjol: invite sent17:46
@bopbopprotect that content with your life17:46
+bartjoland I accepted17:46
@bopbopthis is yours: CM Guide 7.7_bart copy.odt17:47
+bartjoleeh, as "with your life" means, make it available on webgui.org, yes I wil ;)17:47
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+bartjolthis isn't the only version I may hope?17:47
@bopbopno, I made you your own copy17:47
@bopbopI'm gonna email you in a minute17:48
+bartjolso it's the intellectual ownership17:48
* bartjol is desperately checking his email17:48
+bartjolthanks bopbop, as I am writing you and Koen now, first we need a skeleton before we hang something I suppose, so we actually need a discussion on that18:02
@bopbopok18:02
+bartjolhave to go now, emailed you18:07
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daviddelikatI need some help with internationalization, who would be the expert?18:14
@preactiondepends on what you need18:14
daviddelikatone of my templates is not replacing the ^internal...; macro18:14
daviddelikatthe module is good because I get some text out of it18:15
daviddelikatits just one template that is mis-behaving18:15
@preactionit's ^International();18:15
@preactionupper-case I18:15
daviddelikatyes, that was a typo18:16
daviddelikatwhat I get in the output is this:  ^International(comments,Asset_Ticket);18:16
@preactionperhaps it's not being processed by the macro processor? are there errors in the logs?18:16
daviddelikatas if it was not doing any macros ata ll18:16
daviddelikatno errors18:16
@preactionhow are you returning the data?18:18
daviddelikatreturning what data?18:19
@preactionthe data containing the macro18:19
@preactioni don't believe JSON is parsed for macros, for example18:19
daviddelikatso if I set the content to json that would cause this?18:20
@preactionyes, if you're processing a template and then sending the result as JSON, you need to process macros yourself (using WebGUI::Macro::process( $session, \$content );18:21
daviddelikatdefinately an interesting issue, because I'm doing both...  the template is HTML but the return type is JSON18:24
daviddelikatpretty sure that solves my problem18:24
daviddelikatare Macros processed when the template is processed?  or after the view function returns?18:27
@preactionMacros are processed as part of the Style template18:27
@preactionsince JSON is not inside of a style, macros are not processed18:27
@preactionsee WebGUI::Session::Style->process18:28
daviddelikatI just put in a direct call to process macros, its the only thing that really make sense.  thanks for your help18:32
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+perlDreamermorning, folks18:41
daviddelikatmornin18:41
@preactionmorning18:41
+perlDreamerpreaction: re last night, what do I need to be careful about?18:41
@preactionI forget, there was something having to do with default values and trying to delete data from a profile field18:42
+perlDreamerhm.18:42
@preactionand i don't remember if i could make a failing test for it, for some other weird reason18:43
@preactionthis was back when we were having problems because there was no way to determine if a field had been part of the form or not18:43
+perlDreamerthat part has been fixed.  All fields now have a presence indicator18:44
+perlDreamerthe problem that I fixed is that User->profileField does a truthiness check on the input data18:44
+perlDreamerand doesn't write if it's false18:44
+perlDreamereven though '' (and 0) are fine profile field values18:44
@preactionokay, that's different18:44
+perlDreamerI'm glad you're watching my back :)18:45
+perlDreamerKlausH: are you awake?18:45
daviddelikatpreaction: has the help desk been updated on webgui.org since I change the ticketStatus update? ( 2 weeks ago I think )18:49
@preactionnot yet, no. it's on my list for today18:49
daviddelikatyou will want to wait, I have just identified a problem in the connection between comments and status change  that will probably make it impossible to resolve a ticket18:50
+perlDreamerI used to be able to see a "Assign bug to me" link, but it seems to be gone now, too.18:50
daviddelikatI'll try to get it fixed this morning18:50
@preactionok18:51
@preactionperlDreamer: yeah, that's been going on-and-off weirdly. i think because there are three different templates on pb.com18:51
+perlDreamerah, I see.  That makes sense.18:51
daviddelikatdang, I forgot to update the other templates...18:51
daviddelikatJT mentioned that it was silly to have the extra templates18:52
daviddelikathow troublel some is it to just use the main one18:52
@preactionas far as i know it should be no issue at all. i think the only difference is some leading text which should be the Description field anyway18:54
daviddelikatthat was what I saw as well, hence the discussion...18:55
@preactioni'll add that to my list today18:55
daviddelikatcorrection: its not resolved that is trouble, but closed status that is difficult to reach.18:56
daviddelikatI'll be looking at the automagic version as well as the manual side today.18:57
mducharme-work7.7.20 release soon?18:58
@preactionshould be today if all goes well18:59
mducharme-workexcellent19:00
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sanyockHello19:01
+perlDreamerhowdy19:01
@preactionhello there19:01
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+perlDreamerhold onto yer shorts, I'm going to write some javascript19:02
sanyockCould please someone suggest why a matrix can display "data error" in v7.6.35 on an upgraded site while works fine on a new site (on the same server)?19:02
sanyockIt is a new not upgraded matrix object just create with default properties19:04
CIA-53webgui: hao master * r082b04b / (3 files in 3 dirs): 19:04
CIA-53webgui: Fixed bug #10982 where survey admin menu options appear twice. Caused by the19:04
CIA-53webgui: Survey Asset directly calling its parent getAdminConsole method instead of19:04
CIA-53webgui: instantiating a session instance of the method. - http://bit.ly/P33Ya19:04
+perlDreamersanyock, edit and save your matrix.19:04
+perlDreamerThere was a bug in adding new properties to the Matrix.  It was not done in the best way, and this causes existing Matrix assets to have a javascript error.19:05
sanyockI tried to edit it several times, I tried to create a new matrix on both upgraded and new sites19:06
sanyocknew matrix on upgraded site does not work, but new matrix on a new site works fine19:06
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sanyockneither matrix did not exist before upgrade19:06
sanyockMay be there is a thread on the forum where it was discussed I should search for19:08
+perlDreamerit was a posted bug19:08
sanyockLooking bugtracker19:08
sanyockMost bug reports point to a JavaScript error, but having the same server most likely I am using the same JavaScripts for both demo and production19:18
sanyockIt seems like I should change something in production database to fix the issue19:19
daviddelikatHaarg: how does wgdev look for the webgui config file?19:20
sanyockDoes WebGUI stores any predefined Matrix JavaScripts in templates?19:20
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@preactionsanyock: it's possible19:21
@Haargit used to automatically check for a single config and use it if available, but it doesn't do that any longer19:21
@preactionwhich is kinda lame to me :(19:21
daviddelikatso do I have to specify a config every time19:21
@preactioni think there's a way to make a .wgdev config file for that, no?19:22
@Haargyou can either set the WEBGUI_CONFIG env variable or set the command.webgui_config config entry19:22
+perlDreamer-F works, too19:22
@preactionand where is that config file? ~/.wgdev, correct?19:23
daviddelikatI've been using -F but it is a lot of typing...19:23
@Haarg~/.wgdevcfg19:23
daviddelikatwhat does wgdevcfg look like?19:23
@Haargwgd help config19:23
daviddelikatmuch better...19:26
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+MrHairgreasetavisto: OQAPI!19:27
@tavistoOQAPI!!!!!!19:27
@tavistohey you owe me several hundred karma 19:27
+perlDreamerWEBGUI!19:27
+MrHairgreasethat's true19:27
+MrHairgreasehow much?19:27
@tavistoafter I dominated the dutch team's greatest pool player19:27
+MrHairgrease600?19:27
@tavistoI think it was 190,00019:28
+MrHairgreasehehe19:28
@tavistohaha I kid.. I don't need your karma19:28
+MrHairgreaseno19:28
@tavistoI can magically create it out of thin air if I want to be karma rich19:28
+MrHairgreaseyou really do19:28
@tavistoI would prefer you have it.19:28
+MrHairgreaseI owe patspam 300 19:28
@tavistookay so pay him with what you lost to me19:29
+MrHairgreaseI'm not sure if you are better at pool than he is19:29
@tavistoof course I am19:29
+MrHairgreaseor the beers in between both games are to be blamed19:29
@tavistoI blame it on the beers.. but you have an unfair advantage because you always have a blood alcohol content of over .1519:30
@preactionoh, now i remember why the templates differ. it's the differents between "Report a bug" and "New Ticket"19:32
@preactiondoes anyone here not know that "New Ticket" will report a bug?19:32
daviddelikatis there any way to trigger a workflow manually?19:36
@preactionyes, through the Workflow menu19:37
daviddelikatin the admin console?  I'm not seeing anything19:37
@preactionoh, wait. that's a scheduled task19:37
@preactionuh.... no19:37
@preactionas how would you trigger, say, a version tag workflow without a version tag?19:38
daviddelikatno I just want to run the helpdesk close tickets workflow19:38
daviddelikatI can run the hourly maint task19:38
daviddelikatthanks19:38
daviddelikatthat is what I was loking for19:38
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sanyockI have just made a search for "matrix" in admin/assets and all found objects have the same size and date in both demo and production19:47
sanyockdemo works, production does not :(19:47
+perlDreamersanyock, when 7.7.20 is released, it should fix the problem19:49
+perlDreamerthat release will be later today19:49
KlausHHi19:54
+perlDreamerKlausH, I need some help fixing an i18n bug in German.19:55
+perlDreamerIn your website, are all the profile tabs internationalized in the Account?19:55
+perlDreamerpreaction: one thing that in the helpdesk that should require 2 templates are Karma Rank19:58
+perlDreamerin the bug list, that's just taking up space.19:58
KlausHAfter short looking into the profile settings it seems that "Are you available to be added as a Friend?" is not internationalized.20:01
daviddelikatwhat are the 2 templates for karma rank for?20:01
+perlDreamerKlausH, ug, that's another bug.  In particular, is the Personal profile field category internationalized?20:01
daviddelikatperlDreamer: what do you mean about karma rank needing 2 templates?20:03
+perlDreamerdaviddelikat: in the bug board, karma is worthless so it should not be displayed.20:04
+perlDreameron the rfe board, karma is everything, so it has to be displayed20:04
+perlDreameras an aside, the EMS sorting bug seems to be that the DataTable was set to sort, but the server side JSON method and client-side data source weren't told about that.20:04
daviddelikatthe template should leave out the karma info if it is turned off20:05
KlausHDo you mean "?op=account"? These things are internationalized.20:05
+perlDreamerKlausH: what I'm looking for is well described in this bug: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/1097720:06
+perlDreamerit's just that I can't duplicate it20:06
@Haargthe issue with karma should be solved by having an additional karma option, not two templates20:07
sanyockIs it correct that "Maximum Group" combobox includes auto groups for Threads/Collab?20:10
daviddelikatis karma being displayed where it shouldn20:10
daviddelikatt be?20:10
+perlDreameryup, in the bug board20:10
@preactioni agree that it should be an option, not a new template20:11
daviddelikatI'll look at the template and see why it is displayed, we don't need another option because there is already an on/off option and it is just not being used propperly in this template20:12
@Haargthere should be two settings.  one for having the karma/difficulty stuff enabled, and another for posting tickets/comments giving karma.20:12
@Haargthe single option is not sufficient20:13
daviddelikatwhy?20:13
@Haargit's enabled for the bug board because otherwise users wouldn't get karma for posting20:13
daviddelikatso should the option have two settings?20:14
@Haargit should just be two independent options20:14
daviddelikatone is for posting the other is for ticket accumulating20:15
@Haargbasically, yes20:15
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* perlDreamer is daydreaming about an extended ticket resolution form where version numbers and commits have their own form fields.20:27
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rfffef31 / (5 files in 5 dirs): Fixed #10967: Using a round bracket (parenthesis) in a macro. Unbalanced parentheses can now be escaped in macro calls using the backslash character. - http://bit.ly/3v5qCy20:28
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r740066c / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix sorting in the EMS ticket screen. bug #10929. - http://bit.ly/wLcAw20:28
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5882115 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix sorting in the EMS ticket screen. bug #10929. - http://bit.ly/CCK6620:28
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1786523 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move EMS package to correct directory. - http://bit.ly/1aDWHF20:28
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daviddelikatperlDreamer: can you email me a description of your daydream?20:40
+perlDreamerdaviddelikat, I can try, but it's way out there :)  I'll see to it later this afternoon.20:42
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daviddelikatI'm usually way out there myself20:43
daviddelikatpreaction: can you put on you list somewhere to check and see when the 'helpdesk:close resolved tickets' workflow is set to run on webgui.org20:47
* perlDreamer will remind him20:49
@preactiondoesn't look like it is set to run on webgui.org at all20:49
daviddelikatthat may be best20:49
daviddelikatI just tested it and it changed the status to Acknowleged20:49
daviddelikatseems a bit buggy20:49
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daviddelikatI was going to say 'I'll be back later' but tonight is madmongers meeting20:51
daviddelikatso I ~may~ be back later..20:51
@preactionindeed20:51
+perlDreamermadmongers, madmongers, party time, excellent!20:52
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ekennedyIs anyone using Aspell in the 0.9.3 WRE.  I'm getting the following error on a couple of different installs "/data/wre/prereqs/bin/httpd: symbol lookup error: /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/i686-linux/auto/Text/Aspell/Aspell.so: undefined symbol: new_aspell_config"22:26
CIA-53webgui: Doug Bell master * re161afd / (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #10885: code editor breaks JS comments - http://bit.ly/ROt2I22:37
CIA-53webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * rbbe1eb7 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #10885: code editor breaks JS comments - http://bit.ly/3UDUGN22:49
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SquOnkGreetings22:50
ekennedyHi.22:50
SquOnkWhat's the way to get access to webgui's GIT repo?22:51
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ekennedyDo you need to commit or just read?22:53
SquOnkekennedy: I used to have write permission on the SVN repo, but reading will suffice for the time being.22:54
ekennedyI think JT needs to give commit access.  I only got started with GIT last week.  The first thing I did was create an account at GIT (http://github.com)22:55
ekennedyDo you already have an account?22:55
SquOnkekennedy: I'd lie to you if I answered yes or no :-)22:56
SquOnkekennedy: I remember being asked about it a while ago. I don't remember answering or not answering :-)22:56
ekennedyI'm not sure if you have to have one or not to read but you should be able to get to the sources at http://github.com/plainblack.  22:57
ekennedyTo get commit access I think you will need to send your GIT ID to JT.23:00
@preactionyes, JT is the one with the keys23:02
carograyhello guys - nice meeting most of Y'all last week23:07
carograyhave a question about anchors23:07
carograywe have used anchors on page..hang on a sec plumber on phone23:07
+perlDreamerSquOnk: http://github.com/plainblack/webgui23:08
SquOnkperlDreamer: Yes, I'm cloning it as we speal23:09
SquOnkspeak23:09
SquOnk"Replace WebGUI search with something" -> PostgreSQL FTS23:10
SquOnkAh, but WebGUI only runs on MySQL... pity <g>23:11
+perlDreamerSquOnk, you're as much of a PostgreSQL bigot as I am a perl bigot.23:11
SquOnkPG FTS supports stemming, indexes on real time via triggers, and it's multilinguial.23:11
SquOnkperlDreamer: :-)23:11
SquOnk...it also has ranking and performance is amazing since it uses the proper indexing: no B-trees nor inverted lists, but a spatial R-index which is THE right way to do that.23:12
SquOnkperlDreamer: I've been on the full-text search wagon for years.23:14
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SquOnkperlDreamer: The only thing out-of-database that _really_ works is call dpsearch. Excellent functionality, crappy documentation.23:15
SquOnkperlDreamer: But it doesn't do its work on line. You need to batch it.23:15
SquOnkperlDreamer: I had an experimental vertical indexing site using Pg/dpsearch.23:16
SquOnkperlDreamer: We'll be switching to Pg FTS shortly. And we're publishing a paper (hopefully on the next OSCON :-).23:17
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r4186b7c / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Make Test.pm search order the same as preload.perl - http://bit.ly/OCIre23:23
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra194f69 / (3 files in 3 dirs): 23:23
CIA-53webgui: Fixed bug #10982 where survey admin menu options appear twice. Caused by the23:23
CIA-53webgui: Survey Asset directly calling its parent getAdminConsole method instead of23:23
CIA-53webgui: instantiating a session instance of the method. - http://bit.ly/4N5y523:23
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r716da04 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Make Test.pm search order the same as preload.perl - http://bit.ly/11FwCd23:24
mducharme-workwe use postgresql for a bunch of stuff23:24
mducharme-workI think it works great23:24
mducharme-workwow!23:30
mducharme-workreading the TODO's for webgui 823:30
mducharme-workI absolutely love the seperate style template idea23:30
carograyok plumber can't solve mysterious "intermittent water" problem and at a cost of $1899 to replace pump, and a mere $638 or so just to come out and do a little quick fixes, no thanks, so back to my anchor and syntax question23:31
carograyis it best if linking to anchor on same page to do <a href="question_11">question 11</a> or23:32
carogray<a href="^PageUrl();#question_11"> question 11</a>23:33
carogray?23:33
carograythe rules for doing this seem to have been inconsistent from version to version and I would like to do it one way and have it work that way for as long as poss23:34
+perlDreameranchors on the same page are always #anchow23:36
+perlDreamer#anchor23:36
mducharme-workwill there be a webgui 7.9.x after 7.8.x, or is it going to likely go directly from 7.8.x to 8.x?23:39
CIA-53webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * r5519d4f / (t/Workflow/Activity/GetCsMail.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): add new API for mocking assets in tests - http://bit.ly/BFMn423:42
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+perlDreamerit depends on the timing of it all23:43
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@preactionperlDreamer: can your progress bar be used without the admin style?00:12
+perlDreamergood question00:13
+perlDreamerright now I think the admin style is hardcoded in there00:13
+perlDreameryeah, the admin style is hardcoded00:14
@preactionthe new bug about the Gallery is long-standing, but if something like the progress bar could be used00:14
+perlDreamergood point00:14
+perlDreamerif the progress bar was ever exposed to a user, it would have to be templated00:15
@preactionit'd have to be broken into two parts, the upload and then a page refresh for the processing00:15
@preactionor somehow stylable, yes00:15
+perlDreameryou could use the same progress bar for both parts00:15
@preactiongod, why didn't i fix this properly when i had the time?00:15
@preactionno need, the upload works just fine, it's the processing that's the problem00:16
@preactionalso, the upload is much hairier to get the callback right00:16
@preactionmuch easier to just do the processing, and then it fixes the problem00:17
dionakdoes anyone here use Thingy? I've tried linking a file field from another 'Thing' but, once linked, the form field is just a selectbox00:20
dionaknormal?00:20<