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preaction | and it seems like you can't insert a completely blank line. because this thing is stupid and everything's stupid | 00:18 |
+perlDreamer | the only way to insert a "blank" line is to insert a line with some kind of whitespace in it? | 00:19 |
preaction | correct | 00:20 |
preaction | a single space seems to work | 00:20 |
preaction | and this is still only in IE | 00:20 |
preaction | i imagine this is a surmountable problem, but i don't have time to surmount it right now | 00:20 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction: is this the DavGlass thing, or something built on top of YUI Editor? | 00:31 |
preaction | the davglass thing is built on-top of the YUI Editor | 00:31 |
preaction | it's the Dav Glass thing, but fixed | 00:31 |
preaction | at least, now that i'm starting to understand some of it | 00:32 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6d393fe / t/Shop/PayDriver/Ogone.t : Make Ogone.t test for its own name. - http://bit.ly/UU7GP | 00:42 |
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SquOnk | Greetings. | 00:47 |
SquOnk | I've setup a Weblog. I want to disable the ability to Reply (Add?) to the posts. | 00:47 |
SquOnk | I did check 'no' in Security's "Allow Replies". | 00:48 |
SquOnk | As a Visitor, I can only read the post and the bottom bar only gives Previous and Next as expected. | 00:48 |
SquOnk | But if I use any registered user, the "Add" option shows up and I can add comments. What gives? | 00:49 |
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SquOnk | Ah, figured it out. | 01:13 |
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SquOnk | carogray: Your CSS adventure had a happy ending? | 01:44 |
carogray | oh god no! | 01:45 |
SquOnk | Bummer | 01:45 |
carogray | just moved the DNS committed the version tag and ayah - it looks AWFUL seems to have been a previous version! | 01:45 |
SquOnk | carogray: Where is it? | 01:45 |
carogray | So hopefully not too many people will be looking at it tonight and I will be able to do some reconstructive work tonight | 01:45 |
carogray | http://www.mwlegal.org | 01:46 |
carogray | everything is broken and .... | 01:46 |
SquOnk | carogray: What's b0rken? | 01:46 |
carogray | well I had a flash movie working right and now it doesn't show up. | 01:46 |
carogray | I cant get the Metrowest legal Services in the footer to be in Century Schoolbook, the side menus are all wonky and .... | 01:47 |
SquOnk | Where was it supposed to show? | 01:47 |
carogray | http://test16.mlri.org/donate.html | 01:48 |
carogray | or perhaps mwlegal.org/donate.html | 01:49 |
carogray | hadn't really finished | 01:49 |
carogray | .... have to get last files together and pack up by 7:10 tonight so I can make the bus and work at home tonight... | 01:49 |
SquOnk | carogray: "OOPS! You forgot to upload swfobject.js! You must upload this file for your gallery to work." | 01:49 |
carogray | Iknow | 01:49 |
carogray | I already had fixed this... then I committed the version tag and somehow it undid it! | 01:50 |
carogray | I remember it is actually a name not matching somewhere. I have to go through it all again. | 01:50 |
carogray | you know like a jpg instead of a gif or ... a capital letter somewhere and lowercase somewhere else... | 01:50 |
SquOnk | carogray: I think you used /swfobject.js but it lives in /extras/ukplayer/swfobject.js | 01:52 |
+perlDreamer | ^Extras(ukplayer/swfobject.js); | 01:54 |
carogray | I will look, thanks for helping out. I get connected on the bus so I am hoping to work on it then but I have to get the files that were updated only about 4 1st and then perhaps if you are still around.. I am not too worried about the Flash since I did fix it before, but not being able to get the Century Schoolbook on the Metrowest Legal Services in the footer is driving me nuts... I can't figure out what I am doing wrong. | 01:54 |
carogray | thanks so much you guys... I am keeping the log and will check back in when I am on the bus. It's about 1 hr 45 minutes and I get internet signal for most of the trip. | 01:55 |
SquOnk | carogray: id="LegalCredits" | 01:56 |
SquOnk | carogray: But LegalCredits has Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif in the CSS | 01:56 |
carogray | nope wrong page | 01:57 |
SquOnk | carogray: That's the main page. | 01:57 |
carogray | it's on an inner page that's the home page you are looking at | 01:57 |
carogray | I mean that's the home page | 01:57 |
carogray | At the bottom of http://test16.mlri.org/donate.html footer is in the pageFooterContainer and it is h4 | 01:58 |
carogray | defined css for it above h4#MWLegal { font-family:"Century Schoolbook", Georgia, serif; font-color: #036; } | 01:59 |
carogray | found the files I need and copied them to my little card so I have a few minutes | 01:59 |
SquOnk | carogray: Well, I don't have Century Schoolbok. I have Century Schoolbook L | 02:01 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbaadf9c / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.18-7.7.19.pl : Fix lots of typos. - http://bit.ly/16OL0Q | 02:02 |
carogray | Still it should show as Georgia or a serif font and be the right colour? | 02:02 |
carogray | SquOnk: is there a quick way to put your name in when I reply to you, or do you just type it in? | 02:03 |
SquOnk | carogray: I type "car" and the hit TAB. | 02:03 |
SquOnk | carogray: So try typing "sq" and then hit TAB. | 02:03 |
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SquOnk | carogray: I believe you're missing a comma between a:active and a:visited in the CSS fragment above the "problematic" one. A thing with CSS is that a syntax error makes the rest of the file is ignored. | 02:04 |
carogray | SquOnk: ooh yeah great... | 02:04 |
carogray | like I said yesterday I am not a detail person and I need to get ways to look at things afresh... thanks for that | 02:05 |
SquOnk | carogray: If you use Firefox, there's a plugin that let's you find out the CSS for each block. If it says "no CSS info" it means something is b0rken in the CSS... that's what led me to believe you had a syntax error in you CSS. | 02:07 |
carogray | aha would that be firebug? | 02:07 |
carogray | that would explain a lot when it says there is no style defined for body when I have definitely defined styles for body | 02:07 |
SquOnk | carogray: I use webdeveloper | 02:08 |
carogray | I think I might have used to have had that, will try it again...get it from mozilla plugins? | 02:09 |
SquOnk | carogray: Yes. | 02:09 |
SquOnk | carogray: I see you embed CSS with the HTML. That's not good or bad, but that's not the way I work. I tend to have CSS snippets separate from HTML and use some sort of CSS editor/validator before uploading, that way I now it's not b0rken. | 02:10 |
carogray | I am just doing it temporarily -like eventually will put it in it's own snippet and call it after combining it with home page css | 02:11 |
carogray | haven't found a way to be sure it works in WG without putting it in directly and can change it quicker if on same template than if somewhere else | 02:12 |
carogray | SquOnk: eek! | 02:12 |
carogray | gotta run will be on bus in about 10-15 mins | 02:12 |
carogray | talk to you then? | 02:12 |
SquOnk | carogray: I'll be leaving for home soon too. | 02:12 |
SquOnk | carogray: I'll get online later though. | 02:13 |
carogray | thanks | 02:13 |
carogray | bye | 02:13 |
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+perlDreamer | in 7.8, we can finally get rid of errorHandler! | 02:15 |
@Haarg | we can? | 02:15 |
+perlDreamer | sure, it was marked as deprecated | 02:16 |
+perlDreamer | there will only be log | 02:16 |
+perlDreamer | nice, short, simple "log" | 02:16 |
@Haarg | hrm | 02:16 |
@Haarg | that's a pretty large api change | 02:16 |
+perlDreamer | well, we can leave the original there for historical purposes | 02:17 |
+perlDreamer | backwards compatibility and all, but there's no reason to use errorHandler in the core anymore | 02:17 |
@Haarg | session->log->fatal is pretty weird, but aside from that i'd agree | 02:18 |
+perlDreamer | maybe we need a WebGUI::Compatibility module | 02:19 |
+perlDreamer | which could handle API naming changes and other simple thing | 02:19 |
+perlDreamer | *WebGUI::Session::errorHandler = *WebGUI::Session::log | 02:19 |
+perlDreamer | put it into modules.exclude by default | 02:20 |
+perlDreamer | and if people want to use it, they can uncomment it | 02:20 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: did you have a chance to look in the database at the character set for the addresses that are having problems with ITransact? | 02:25 |
@Haarg | no | 02:26 |
@Haarg | the character set is going to be utf8 in the database though | 02:28 |
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+perlDreamer | seems odd to me that someone from Wisconsin would be using a character set that wouldn't downgrade safely to latin-1 | 02:29 |
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carogray | am I still here.. | 02:52 |
carogray | yep | 02:52 |
carogray | sorry just checking | 02:52 |
+perlDreamer | we hear you carogray | 02:52 |
carogray | I was checking out something about how pidgin works in a web browser and it told me that if I closed the window I would lose all my IRC connections | 02:53 |
carogray | just wanted to make sure I didn't disconnect from WebGUI chat room and then reconnect, got in trouble for that last week:-/ | 02:54 |
+perlDreamer | trouble? from whom? | 02:55 |
carogray | preaction | 02:55 |
+perlDreamer | I wouldn't sweat it. Accidents happen. | 02:55 |
carogray | perhaps he wasn't pissed off, you know how texting can come across a little more abruptly than in person | 02:55 |
carogray | I am just trying to be super careful now | 02:56 |
carogray | I have all this work to do now, but I have to ask are you going to be at the WUC next week perlDreamer? | 02:56 |
@Haarg | he wasn't angry, but you somehow had 6 clients connecting and disconnecting | 02:57 |
@Haarg | so it was spamming the channel pretty bad | 02:57 |
+perlDreamer | I will be at the WUC. In real life, I'm known as Colin Kuskie | 02:57 |
carogray | I had 6? how could that happen was it different machines? | 02:57 |
carogray | Oh ho. | 02:57 |
@Haarg | same machine | 02:57 |
@Haarg | i wouldn't worry about it though | 02:58 |
carogray | I know what happened at my end but I didn't realize there were 6 of me though! I was connected or trying to be connected through my friend's neighbor's wireless connection and it was driving me crazy didn't realize it was creating many of me.. until I was banned | 02:58 |
carogray | when he woke up I connected to his connection and then I stayed connected consistently, just didn't want to risk it again for the rest of the trip | 02:59 |
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carogray | So I am finally going to make it to the WUC this year pretty excited - we had been saving desperately last year and then had some money left over so I asked if I could spend it last minute - the day before the fiscal year ended on the WUC! So I am coming. Yay. | 03:00 |
+perlDreamer | cool! | 03:00 |
carogray | I will be way out of my element but it will be fun to meet you guys. anyone want anything from Boston or New Hampshire? | 03:02 |
carogray | I can even bring "happy pork" if you are not a vegetarian | 03:02 |
+perlDreamer | what is 'happy pork'? | 03:08 |
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* perlDreamer is going to take a break and play with the young ones. bbiaw | 03:09 |
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SquOnk | re | 03:15 |
carogray | perlDreamer: for when you get back "happy pork" is what we call our pigs when we eat them! Although they are fenced in the 'gambol' around in the woods eating acorns and poison ivy and lots of dunkin donuts and they have a grand time...eventually they go to freezer camp and we eat them and then sometimes they eat each other - perhaps too much information, but the meat is good and they are not living like the animals whose meat you buy fr | 03:17 |
carogray | SquOnk: just checking back looks like I have many errors - trying the w3c validators... tell me when you have an 'a' in an id is it supposed to be a#menu? or #menu a { ? not sure if my css is wrong - the way I have defined it or the way I am actually using it in the html... still figuring it all out | 03:19 |
carogray | fixed the comma you told me about still wrong, but now I am on to checking other errors | 03:20 |
SquOnk | carogray: a#menu works for <a id=menu ...> | 03:20 |
SquOnk | carogray: #menu a works for <a ... > inside anything id=menu | 03:21 |
SquOnk | carogray: They are two different things. | 03:21 |
SquOnk | carogray: Most of the time what you want is div#menu a, meaning "any <a ...> found inside _the_ <div id=menu>" | 03:21 |
carogray | Oh ok, I see I guess most of the time I want the a's inside the id blocks | 03:21 |
carogray | right | 03:21 |
SquOnk | carogray: So use div#idname explicitly. | 03:22 |
SquOnk | carogray: By being explicit in the future you won't have to remember what you meant two weeks ago when you wrotr #foo :-) | 03:22 |
carogray | OK - the validator is telling me lots of stuff about what's allowed and not allowed inside certain elements. At least I have some direction now and am not just stabbing in the dark, most of what I did is guess work and imitation. It worked for the test17.mlri.org website - haven't managed to do the menu there though but this one is much more complicated... off to pay attention to details | 03:24 |
carogray | SquOnk: you know if you want anything from Boston or New Hampshire next week, assuming you will be at WUC? | 03:24 |
carogray | one more ? Can you have an #menu AND a .menu that is both a class and an id called the same thing or is that just dumb? | 03:26 |
SquOnk | carogray: You can have it. It's not dumb but not smart either :-) | 03:27 |
carogray | ok well at least it is one of the few things that isn't breaking everything | 03:27 |
SquOnk | carogray: Use ids for things that are unique. Say 'header' or 'footer'... chances are you have a single div for header and a single div for footer. | 03:27 |
carogray | yeah, I know I was putting different bits and pieces together and some already had styles defined | 03:28 |
SquOnk | carogray: Use classes for things that will be used several times. Say for h2/h4 or specially formatted paragraph. | 03:28 |
carogray | I was trying to change as little as possible | 03:28 |
carogray | like li s are classes side menu is an id I know I get it | 03:28 |
SquOnk | carogray: I won't make WUC this year either :-( | 03:29 |
carogray | mpf too bad - where do you live? | 03:29 |
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SquOnk | carogray: Caracas, Venezuela | 03:29 |
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SquOnk | carogray: Are you from Boston? | 03:36 |
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+perlDreamer | carogray, so by day you are a mild-mannered IT worker and website builder, but by night, you are the Raiser of Pigs? | 05:22 |
carogray | by day too - actually mother of Raiser of Pigs... working at home 3 days a week I do pigs when kids are out late at night or away for some carousing | 05:23 |
carogray | True Raiser of Pigs is also mountain bike patroller and ski patroller - I am just the stand-in | 05:24 |
+perlDreamer | the variety of people who use WebGUI never ceases to amaze me | 05:24 |
carogray | actually by day I am not really a website builder - rather I am content coordinator Plain English editor | 05:24 |
carogray | got stuck with technical stuff cause all the more technical people left and besides I have experience with low income people using and building basic websites.... | 05:25 |
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carogray | Guess what?!!! the flash is working now! I didn't do anything!! | 05:34 |
carogray | wait a minute - perhaps it's that the page is cached... never mind I bet it isn't really working | 05:34 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg: The Shop API is convoluted | 05:38 |
@Haarg | oh? | 05:38 |
SquOnk | Well, off I go. | 05:38 |
@Haarg | i haven't dealt with it much | 05:38 |
SquOnk | See you guys tomorrow | 05:38 |
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+perlDreamer | Let's just say that trying to build a test bench for the ITransact driver, has been, trying | 05:39 |
+perlDreamer | First, you have to build products with variants | 05:41 |
+perlDreamer | then you need a cart | 05:41 |
+perlDreamer | then a transaction referencing that cart | 05:41 |
+perlDreamer | then you put things into the cart | 05:42 |
+perlDreamer | then you put things into the transaction | 05:42 |
+perlDreamer | you can update the transaction with an updated cart | 05:42 |
+perlDreamer | but only if the cart has an AddressBook and shipping address set | 05:42 |
+perlDreamer | oh, and a Shipping driver | 05:43 |
+perlDreamer | was that whiny enough to qualify for a "trying" ? | 05:44 |
elnino | yes. | 06:10 |
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carogray | perlDreamer: a little more basic css? | 06:54 |
+perlDreamer | you can try carogray, but I'm really a perl hacker ;) | 06:55 |
carogray | if I have defined just 'a' in the css, but defined it in an id also, would there be any reason for the id a to take over all other a's in the page, even though they are not in that id? | 06:56 |
+perlDreamer | CSS allows you to specify styling for individual elements (specified by id) and also entire classes of HTML tags | 06:57 |
carogray | in http://test16.mlri.org/articles all my a's are being defined by the mwlegal id which is only at the bottom of the page, when I look in firebug it shows me that the body a is over written by the MWLegal a. why would this be? If you don't know it right off the bet, don't bother, I just feel as though there si some | 06:58 |
carogray | basic rule I am not getting | 06:58 |
+perlDreamer | in particular, what are you seeing that you don't want to see? | 06:59 |
carogray | well in articles there is a list of pdf's in an unordered list. They should all be blueish an underlined according to the body. However they are black and not underlined only turning color and getting underlined when hovered over - this is the MWLegal style for a's but MWLegal id is not applied until v. bottom of page | 07:00 |
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+perlDreamer | Let me look with FireBug | 07:03 |
+perlDreamer | looks like there is a comma missing between a:active and a:visited in the CSS | 07:04 |
+perlDreamer | but that's not causing this problem | 07:05 |
carogray | i thought I fixed that missing comma - perhaps it is in uncommitted version tag.. | 07:05 |
+perlDreamer | or it's cached | 07:05 |
+perlDreamer | ah... | 07:06 |
+perlDreamer | comma is OR | 07:06 |
+perlDreamer | so, the CSS rule reads | 07:06 |
+perlDreamer | #MWLegal a | 07:06 |
+perlDreamer | OR | 07:06 |
+perlDreamer | a:link | 07:07 |
+perlDreamer | it is not | 07:07 |
+perlDreamer | #MWLegal (a or a:link) | 07:07 |
+perlDreamer | you see what I mean? | 07:07 |
carogray | not following you | 07:07 |
+perlDreamer | there is a line of CSS that reads | 07:07 |
+perlDreamer | #MWLegal a, a:link, a:active a:visited | 07:07 |
carogray | yes | 07:08 |
carogray | ok but in my version there is a comma between actie and a:visited | 07:08 |
+perlDreamer | that if an element matches "#MWLegal a" or "a:link" or "a:active" | 07:08 |
+perlDreamer | #MWLegal only applies to the first element in the list | 07:08 |
+perlDreamer | I think that you want that to say | 07:09 |
carogray | aha, not mwlegal a:link or mwlegal a, or mwlegal a:visited | 07:09 |
+perlDreamer | right! | 07:09 |
carogray | right I get it... | 07:09 |
carogray | aha so the mwlegal id is inherited by all a's because the a is in the mw id.... huh... who would have thunk it.... | 07:09 |
carogray | so the comma should fix it... strange....but cool | 07:10 |
+perlDreamer | no, not quite | 07:10 |
carogray | actually if I put the comma in... how do I say all of the a's in mwlegal except hover should be this way? | 07:10 |
carogray | right I just figured out that wouldn't be right.. | 07:11 |
+perlDreamer | #mwlegal a:link, #mwlegal a:, #mwlegal a:visited | 07:11 |
+perlDreamer | apply the ID to each one | 07:11 |
carogray | so how DO I say all of the mwlegal a's oh right have to spell it all out... ok | 07:11 |
carogray | one more slightly different _target is not allowed in xhtml strict?! | 07:11 |
carogray | so can you open a link into a new window? | 07:13 |
* perlDreamer doesn't know | 07:15 |
+perlDreamer | you'd have to check the spec | 07:15 |
carogray | k - thanks for all your help, will let you alone now. | 07:15 |
carogray | perfect it worked thanks! | 07:17 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: I now have a successful testbench. To test this fix, I need to shove in some data that does not map back to latin-1, then try various ways of adding content to the request that handles UTF-8, right? | 07:19 |
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SquOnk | Morning | 15:48 |
SquOnk | Well, VET morning, anyway :-) | 15:48 |
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+perlDreamer | KlausH: Great job on the German translation! | 18:08 |
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+perlDreamer | does anyone know how to turn off email notifications in ITransact? | 18:31 |
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+bartjol | whoopisidaisy | 18:33 |
+perlDreamer | bartjol: Good morning! | 18:33 |
+bartjol | dinner time almost | 18:33 |
+perlDreamer | bier:30 | 18:33 |
+bartjol | I only wish | 18:33 |
+perlDreamer | how's the VIES workflow thing coming? | 18:34 |
+bartjol | aftyer a weekend of sailing with beaufort 5-6 and yesterday building walls I forgot to mention that I won't have the time for the VIES workflow | 18:34 |
+bartjol | for thursday that is | 18:34 |
+bartjol | so it is where it was last week | 18:34 |
+perlDreamer | I don't know that I would trade boating and wall building for making workflows either ;) | 18:35 |
+perlDreamer | I spent the weekend camping at the beach | 18:36 |
+bartjol | and right you are | 18:36 |
+bartjol | at http://webgui.pastebin.com/mafe839c is the workflow itself as far as I made it (with probably a lot of flaws included) | 18:38 |
+perlDreamer | who/what is "beaufort 5-6"? | 18:39 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: ITransact paydriver is now working with utf8 content | 18:39 |
+bartjol | wind force | 18:39 |
@Haarg | nice | 18:39 |
@Haarg | i'll have that CS email fix committed soon | 18:39 |
+bartjol | perlDreamer: and on http://webgui.pastebin.com/m382658bd is the changed sub in TaxDriver/EU.pm | 18:40 |
+perlDreamer | also, we may need to upgrade the driver soon. It sounds like future transactions will require an HMAC-SHA digest, and also possibly other identification keys for uniqueness | 18:40 |
+bartjol | so I hope it's worth something | 18:42 |
+perlDreamer | bartjol, I'll have a look at it soon. | 18:42 |
+bartjol | I'm sorry | 18:42 |
+perlDreamer | I need to make a tall marketing person happy first | 18:42 |
+perlDreamer | ;) | 18:42 |
+bartjol | aah | 18:43 |
+bartjol | well, I hope Tavis will be happy, gotta run now | 18:45 |
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+perlDreamer | tavisto: it's fixed! | 18:49 |
+perlDreamer | instruct your code minions to apply the patch quickly, and your woes will be lifted | 18:50 |
@tavisto | woohoo! yeah saw your email and that made me remember to join irc :) | 18:50 |
@tavisto | awesome, because we have like a few hundred dollars worth o' orders to process now | 18:50 |
+perlDreamer | I'm only asking a small percent of that... | 18:50 |
@tavisto | riiiight.. I will give you a small percentage of the lashes if you don't get back to work! | 18:51 |
@tavisto | *whip crack* | 18:51 |
+perlDreamer | zoinks! | 18:51 |
@tavisto | thanks for helping out with that though.. peeps were getting frustrating trying to give TGC money | 18:51 |
+perlDreamer | well, we can't have that | 18:52 |
@tavisto | um yeah.. that's bad. | 18:52 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re9e2155 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Handle UTF8 in XML data sent to ITransact. Adds a test. Fixes bug #10855. - http://bit.ly/21wIz | 18:52 |
+perlDreamer | also, this single thing may have been preventing international adoption of WebGUI | 18:52 |
SquOnk | lol | 18:52 |
@tavisto | oh I see... so now you've given yourself the self-title of master eh? | 18:52 |
+perlDreamer | since no Asian shops would work with ITransact | 18:52 |
+perlDreamer | well, and as we found out, pieces of southern and eastern europe | 18:53 |
@tavisto | well, I dont understand how that bug would affect domestic orders (2 different ones -- one in WI and the other in CA) but I'll have them give it a shot | 18:53 |
+perlDreamer | it was what you were saying all along | 18:54 |
+perlDreamer | products with certain international characters were not being handled by some code we use | 18:55 |
@tavisto | oh, I'm not used to being right when suggesting the source of an issue | 18:55 |
* perlDreamer looks around for an attack covered by false modesty | 18:56 |
@tavisto | normally you just magically fix it | 18:56 |
@tavisto | *poof* all better | 18:56 |
+perlDreamer | well, poofage aside, I'll listen to you more carefully next time | 19:01 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra0d2e98 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Add upgrade path from 7.6.35 to 7.7.17. - http://bit.ly/UMDSe | 19:02 |
mducharme-work | hrm | 19:35 |
mducharme-work | 7.7 stable release coming soon? | 19:35 |
mducharme-work | the "add upgrade path" looks promising :) | 19:35 |
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+perlDreamer | officially, I have no comment about upgrades | 19:46 |
mducharme-work | hehe | 19:48 |
SynQ | during the hackaton I will work on the WRE | 19:51 |
SynQ | is there a restaurant where you can eat those beer-cows in Madison | 19:52 |
SynQ | ? | 19:52 |
SynQ | *diner* bbl | 19:52 |
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* perlDreamer heads to the gym | 20:09 |
SynQ | ah | 20:37 |
SynQ | that was a nice diner | 20:37 |
mducharme-work | ? | 20:53 |
mducharme-work | where? | 20:54 |
mducharme-work | diners don't normally serve the healthiest food... | 20:54 |
SynQ | dinner | 20:54 |
SynQ | diner | 20:54 |
SynQ | a nice dinner that was | 20:54 |
mducharme-work | ahh dinner | 20:54 |
mducharme-work | ok lol | 20:54 |
SynQ | diner is the french original word for dinner | 20:55 |
SynQ | which is also used in dutch | 20:55 |
SynQ | as an alternative posh word for dinner | 20:55 |
SynQ | hence the confusion | 20:55 |
SynQ | is there going to be a 7.7 stable release candidate before the real thing will be released as stable | 20:59 |
SynQ | ? | 20:59 |
SynQ | so that we can 'test' the upgrade path | 20:59 |
SynQ | and fix it before we call the upgradepath robust? | 21:00 |
@Haarg | due to the nature of the upgrades i'm not sure that is possible. but it should be testable as it exists right now. | 21:01 |
SynQ | ah | 21:01 |
SynQ | who is testing the upgrade and on what kind of sites? | 21:01 |
carogray | I know I have had this answer before. but I just can't keep it all together. Ddoes something have to be turned on or something done at DNS end for a mail form on PB server to actually send mail or will it do it all by itself without having to do anything? | 21:01 |
SynQ | since webgui.org is allready 7.7 that cannot be used as an 'upgrade testbed' | 21:02 |
@Haarg | as long as you configure the dataform correctly it should send mail | 21:02 |
SynQ | once 7.7 goes stable, is PlainBlack going to upgrade all their sites from 7.6 to 7.7 that same day? | 21:03 |
SynQ | or is PB going to wait for feedback on that? | 21:03 |
@Haarg | i'm not sure of the plan for that. it won't be immediately, but it will be pretty soon after. | 21:03 |
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@preaction | perlDreamer: what's the plan for today? | 21:44 |
SynQ | shout shout let it all out | 22:09 |
SynQ | com'on | 22:09 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: how does a stable release differ from a regular ol' maintenance release? | 22:11 |
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+perlDreamer | SynQ: I've tested upgrading a dev site, and it worked well | 22:30 |
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SynQ | perlDreamer: 'a dev site' | 22:32 |
SynQ | how many? | 22:33 |
+perlDreamer | 1 | 22:33 |
+perlDreamer | mysql -u -p < docs/create.sql | 22:33 |
SynQ | with how much variation in content and past upgrades | 22:33 |
+perlDreamer | none | 22:33 |
SynQ | do you think that suffies? | 22:34 |
+perlDreamer | if I had something better to work with, I'd use it | 22:35 |
SynQ | is that a yes? | 22:36 |
+perlDreamer | SynQ: it doesn't provide 100% coverage of the upgrade script. So logically, no. | 22:36 |
SynQ | well | 22:36 |
SynQ | that is still a political answer | 22:37 |
SynQ | what does your gut feeling say? | 22:37 |
SynQ | if you are confident that this suffies so am I | 22:38 |
+perlDreamer | SynQ: I certainly wouldn't mind testing it on a site with Thingy, EMS, Products, ThingyRecord, CS, Poll, Survey, DataTables, Calendars and Shop. | 22:38 |
SynQ | but if you feel uneasy about it | 22:38 |
SynQ | come on | 22:39 |
* perlDreamer is normally always a fan of more testing | 22:39 |
SynQ | are you a politician? | 22:39 |
+perlDreamer | no, I'm a developer with finite resources | 22:39 |
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SynQ | hehe | 22:39 |
SynQ | and you feel I'm driving you into a corner | 22:39 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 22:40 |
SynQ | I'm sorry about that | 22:40 |
SynQ | that is not my intention | 22:40 |
+perlDreamer | if you're willing to volunteer a site dump and upgrades, I'd run the upgrade script on it | 22:40 |
SynQ | I just want to know what your gut feeling is | 22:40 |
+perlDreamer | honestly, I'm about 85% confident in it | 22:40 |
SynQ | if you say 'I would just use this upgrade script on all my production sites' I'm satisfied | 22:40 |
SynQ | ok | 22:41 |
SynQ | that is a great answer | 22:41 |
SynQ | now I can ask the following question :) | 22:41 |
SynQ | what would have to be done to get that extra 15% out of it? | 22:41 |
@preaction | more testing in the field. which won't happen until we call it stable | 22:41 |
+perlDreamer | I need a site with the aforementioned features | 22:41 |
SynQ | and how much resources would that cost? | 22:41 |
+perlDreamer | it's time, and access to sites who are willing to volunteer for an upgrade | 22:42 |
SynQ | preaction: isn't that normally what release candidates are for? | 22:42 |
@preaction | does anybody actually use RCs? | 22:42 |
SynQ | I have a shop site that can be upgraded | 22:42 |
SynQ | preaction: yes | 22:42 |
SynQ | I do | 22:42 |
SynQ | on my 'toy' systems | 22:43 |
SynQ | sites like www.gevat.nl | 22:43 |
SynQ | but if you call it RC | 22:43 |
SynQ | at least you are communicating that you are not very sure yet that it will work | 22:43 |
SynQ | which is fair to the users I think | 22:43 |
+perlDreamer | that's why we call it "beta" | 22:44 |
@preaction | is that what "beta" is? | 22:44 |
SynQ | no | 22:44 |
SynQ | in the WebGUI sense of 'beta' | 22:44 |
SynQ | beta is 'a product that contains new features that are not done yet | 22:44 |
SynQ | but there is no 'beta' upgrade script to get from 'stable 7.6' to 'stable 7.7' | 22:45 |
SynQ | which worries me | 22:45 |
SynQ | there is only one | 22:45 |
SynQ | tested on only one non production site | 22:45 |
SynQ | but if perlDreamer says 85% | 22:45 |
SynQ | that is good enough for me | 22:45 |
+perlDreamer | SynQ, so if the upgrade script was released at stable-1, you'd be happier? | 22:46 |
SynQ | I do think however that it is fair to communicate that 15% to the other users | 22:46 |
+perlDreamer | that's just my opinion | 22:46 |
@preaction | so talk in the Presidents' meeting about a better RC schedule. right now I have no choices, it's no use to keep WebGUI as beta, there are no more shallow bugs to be found | 22:46 |
SynQ | perlDreamer: no | 22:46 |
SynQ | preaction: my consern can be taken away by providing an upgrade script from 'stable 7.6' to 'stable 7.7'.+1 | 22:47 |
SynQ | which contains bugfixes for the things that where broken in the first version of the upgrade script | 22:47 |
@preaction | if there is a problem in the upgrade script from 7.6-7.7, there will be fixes in the next 7.7 release | 22:48 |
SynQ | perlDreamer: there should not be 'only one' version of the upgrade script | 22:48 |
@preaction | (as well as gotchas and most likely a patch if you want to use it) | 22:48 |
SynQ | I know that | 22:48 |
SynQ | perhaps I should give up allready | 22:49 |
SynQ | ok | 22:49 |
SynQ | I give up | 22:49 |
SynQ | just release it | 22:49 |
@preaction | i'm not the right person to be talking to really, consensus in the presidents' meeting will be more productive | 22:49 |
SynQ | preaction: but won't that be after the fact :) | 22:49 |
@preaction | yes, but we've got a lot ahead of us to improve on | 22:50 |
SynQ | true | 22:50 |
SynQ | just to resume: I'm very happy with perlDreamer's 85% gut feeling :) | 22:50 |
+perlDreamer | perlDreamer's gut would be happier with 100%, but will have to do with another slice of pizza for lunch | 22:51 |
SynQ | but I'll hold up upgrading my clients sites till after the wuc | 22:51 |
SynQ | just to make sure I'm not spending all WUC fixing broken things :) | 22:51 |
SynQ | I rather drink beer with you guys | 22:53 |
+perlDreamer | I think I'll do the same thing | 22:53 |
+perlDreamer | except that I don't have any client sites | 22:53 |
SynQ | hehe | 22:55 |
SynQ | I'm glad I don't have to do patspam's upgrades | 22:55 |
+perlDreamer | that kristi is so methodical | 22:56 |
+perlDreamer | We have to get her using Selenium | 22:56 |
SynQ | what are you referring to? | 22:57 |
SynQ | kristi is a dear | 22:57 |
SynQ | perlDreamer: have you noticed the karma list recently? | 22:57 |
SynQ | with ning above you | 22:57 |
+perlDreamer | No, I haven't. Good for ning! | 22:57 |
SynQ | the design contest is over | 22:57 |
SynQ | without any bells and wistles | 22:58 |
+perlDreamer | at least there was more than 1 entry | 22:59 |
SynQ | that is true | 22:59 |
SynQ | ah | 22:59 |
SynQ | my parents are over | 22:59 |
SynQ | I'll be back after coffee | 22:59 |
SynQ | ~ | 22:59 |
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carogray | Haarg: thanks for replying back when I saw you replied but didn't read carefully enough to notice it was to me... I have now tested and at the email function does work - still working on styling the form though, but function is #1 priority. | 23:13 |
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+perlDreamer | DatePicker is fixed. | 23:19 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r13c588f / (2 files in 2 dirs): | 23:22 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Fix the DateTime form control, to actually update the time when changed | 23:22 |
CIA-53 | webgui: in the text box. - http://bit.ly/Qn9WP | 23:22 |
+perlDreamer | starting regression tests | 23:34 |
+perlDreamer | regressions pass, except for Macro/UsersOnline | 23:50 |
+perlDreamer | that could be a leaking test before it | 23:50 |
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dionak | sweet! | 00:12 |
SynQ | dionak: that's me, I can't help it ;) | 00:13 |
SynQ | but I can assure you that my daughter is even sweeter | 00:13 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r81a256b / (5 files in 3 dirs): fixed codearea to work better and more compatible - http://bit.ly/DWUtH | 00:22 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2703deb / (t/Asset/AssetVersion.t t/Asset/Asset_version.t): Use a consistent naming convention for Asset tests. - http://bit.ly/182UWh | 00:42 |
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+BartJol | perlDreamer: and, did you make that tall sales person happy | 00:58 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto should be happier | 00:59 |
+perlDreamer | although he didn't say anything... | 00:59 |
+perlDreamer | perhaps he's waiting for someone to hot patch his server for him with that bug fix | 00:59 |
+BartJol | and you wouldn't? | 01:00 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd8ae7fc / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 01:22 |
CIA-53 | webgui: When purging an asset, clean up all version tags for this asset, which may | 01:22 |
CIA-53 | webgui: contain only this asset. Fixes #10872 - http://bit.ly/2GlEV | 01:22 |
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+perlDreamer | Bartjol: I don't have root access _everywhere_ :) | 01:34 |
+BartJol | But I found some cool sailing pictures | 01:35 |
+BartJol | no? | 01:35 |
+perlDreamer | not yet | 01:35 |
+BartJol | strange | 01:35 |
+perlDreamer | what cool sailing pictures? | 01:35 |
+BartJol | http://www.fotoboot.nl/fotos/zzr09/slides/ZZR-2119.html | 01:35 |
+BartJol | http://www.fotoboot.nl/fotos/zzr09/slides/ZZR-2191.html | 01:36 |
+BartJol | I'm he one on the ftont in the black jacket | 01:36 |
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+perlDreamer | it's too bad they put the watermark right on your face | 01:38 |
+BartJol | well, if I pay, they will remove it | 01:38 |
+BartJol | but it gives an impression on why I walk crooked | 01:39 |
+perlDreamer | crooked? | 01:40 |
+BartJol | with some slope | 01:40 |
+perlDreamer | ah, because you're a sailor | 01:41 |
+perlDreamer | you're not walking crooked, the earth is too flat | 01:41 |
+BartJol | yes, I'm used to a floor that has a slope of 40 degrees | 01:41 |
+BartJol | and moves | 01:41 |
+perlDreamer | you could build your house that way, for comfort | 01:41 |
+BartJol | when I drink I compensate for that ;) | 01:42 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r838ae00 / (t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): | 01:42 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Provide a way for tests to purge assets with all their (hidden and unreachable) | 01:42 |
CIA-53 | webgui: version tags. Fix Survey.t that was leaking versionTags. - http://bit.ly/1uASP8 | 01:42 |
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CIA-53 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rd1f8ef2 / wre/var/setupfiles/wre.conf : Annotate the next expected version. - http://bit.ly/6dsaf | 01:47 |
CIA-53 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * re646eb1 / (4 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/wrebuild - http://bit.ly/13J6UT | 01:47 |
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+perlDreamer | what the heck was that? | 01:51 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r6f3980a / (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed #10838: Forwarded forum post email to new CS adds reply to original thread - http://bit.ly/sirXH | 01:52 |
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+BartJol | what? | 01:52 |
+perlDreamer | that 2nd git commit note | 01:52 |
+perlDreamer | when we go to git, I'm afraid I'm going to be a walking disaster for a while | 01:53 |
+BartJol | well, you'll be ok | 01:54 |
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+perlDreamer | first regression on source install passes | 01:58 |
+perlDreamer | time to look at WRE | 01:58 |
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SDuensin | preaction - I'm staying on the Colloquy guys until that stupid notice issue is fixed. :-) | 02:35 |
@preaction | heh, good luck | 02:37 |
SDuensin | http://colloquy.info/project/ticket/1547 | 02:38 |
SDuensin | Got the guy in IRC now. | 02:38 |
+cap10morgan | SDuensin: i hope you convince them! seems like every other IRC client has this figured out. but colloquy is different (and worse) for no good reason. | 02:45 |
SDuensin | You all need to pop over to #Colloquy and join the complaints. And add to my ticket! | 02:46 |
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+perlDreamer | what if I don't use Colloquy? | 02:51 |
SDuensin | Pretend. :-P | 02:51 |
+perlDreamer | Ha! | 02:52 |
+perlDreamer | hey, are you going to let me into your server so I can check out this funky, unreproducible package bug? | 02:52 |
SDuensin | Just close it. Mark it "user is insane" or something. :-P | 02:52 |
+perlDreamer | okay | 03:15 |
+perlDreamer | I think you're missing out, though | 03:15 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * redae7a3 / (docs/create.sql lib/WebGUI.pm): preparing for 7.7.19 release - http://bit.ly/HZVI8 | 03:32 |
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carogray | I haven't finished yet, but I have finally almost finished. The penny has dropped thanks to the configure your own website and the WebGUI demos, but I couldn't have done it all if it weren't for you lot here on the support board. I am off to bed, but will be able to sleep through the night knowing I am nearly finished and would not be in this place if it weren't for you guys here on the support board. THANKYOU!!!! and goodnight wit | 06:06 |
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+perlDreamer | yay! one less bug | 06:46 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * radc5e69 / lib/WebGUI/Form/Codearea.pm : remove logger - http://bit.ly/30elcc | 06:52 |
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+perlDreamer | go KlausH go! | 07:56 |
+perlDreamer | 88.8 % | 07:56 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r21f4bb1 / docs/gotcha.txt : Add note about minimum upgrade requirements. - http://bit.ly/fXWgM | 08:02 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra259d1e / docs/gotcha.txt : 19 > 17 - http://bit.ly/14B6qK | 08:02 |
@Haarg | i rather like the look of this module: http://search.cpan.org/~nuffin/Try-Tiny-0.01/lib/Try/Tiny.pm | 08:15 |
@Haarg | would be nice to use as long as moose isn't an option | 08:15 |
+perlDreamer | Moose has try/catch syntax in it? | 08:19 |
@Haarg | http://search.cpan.org/~ash/TryCatch-1.001001/lib/TryCatch.pm | 08:20 |
@Haarg | it's a really nice exception catching module. but it requires moose, devel::declare and some other things. | 08:21 |
+perlDreamer | that's pretty heavy | 08:25 |
SynQ | well | 08:25 |
SynQ | I say we try and see if that is not too much trouble to put unto the WRE at the hackaton | 08:26 |
SynQ | ok? | 08:26 |
+perlDreamer | SynQ: I am happy to report that one production site has been upgraded from 7.6 to 7.7 with no issues | 08:26 |
@Haarg | which? | 08:26 |
SynQ | moose | 08:26 |
@Haarg | heh | 08:26 |
SynQ | perlDreamer: how many % does that add to your confidence? 5? :) | 08:27 |
+perlDreamer | putting it into the WRE, and having permission to use it in WebGUI are totally different things | 08:27 |
@Haarg | i doubt there would be any reason it wouldn't install fine | 08:27 |
SynQ | perlDreamer: true, but it helps | 08:27 |
@Haarg | the issue is still memory usage, which i'm not convinced is a real problem | 08:27 |
SynQ | Haarg: for that we would have to make an overview of how much mem each currently used perl module uses | 08:28 |
SynQ | and see what we can shave off of the WRE | 08:28 |
@Haarg | there's not much that could easily be removed | 08:29 |
@Haarg | all of our prereqs are there for a reason. | 08:29 |
SynQ | I know | 08:29 |
SynQ | I didn't say it would be easy | 08:29 |
mducharme1 | webgui.org is currently undergoing maintenance? | 08:29 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 08:29 |
+perlDreamer | long, slow, painful maintenance | 08:29 |
mducharme1 | upgrade to 7.7? | 08:30 |
+perlDreamer | wg.org is always the latest version of WebGUI | 08:30 |
+perlDreamer | it's been 7.7 for a while | 08:30 |
SynQ | time for breakfast | 08:30 |
+perlDreamer | pannenkoeken? | 08:30 |
SynQ | ah now | 08:30 |
SynQ | bread or cornflakes with milk | 08:30 |
mducharme1 | ahh | 08:30 |
SynQ | I'll be back | 08:31 |
mducharme1 | 7.7.19 stable release tomorrow? | 08:31 |
+perlDreamer | should be tonight | 08:31 |
mducharme1 | looks like that from the updates above.. | 08:31 |
mducharme1 | ahh | 08:31 |
+perlDreamer | it's still today here | 08:31 |
+perlDreamer | it's not tomorrow yet | 08:31 |
@Haarg | the thing with moose is that it adds something like 5MB to the memory usage. but that should be pre-fork so it shouldn't really matter. | 08:35 |
+perlDreamer | would we have to write some glue code so that Moose could use Crud as an ORM? | 08:42 |
+perlDreamer | or would we also have to start using DBIx::Class or something? | 08:42 |
@preaction | moose is just an object system. Crud would use Moose | 08:43 |
@preaction | crud could also use DBIx::Class | 08:43 |
@preaction | or Crud could BE DBIx::Class (my mistake for not realizing that sooner) | 08:43 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r36dd8ee / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.7.20 development. - http://bit.ly/3ww9Qp | 09:13 |
+perlDreamer | 7.7.19 is stable | 09:18 |
+perlDreamer | 'night all | 09:18 |
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+cap10morgan | whoa, 7.7.19 is stable!? sweet. thanks team! | 16:41 |
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+perlDreamer | morning, all | 17:40 |
daviddelikat1 | mornin | 17:40 |
+perlDreamer | is everybody busy upgrading to the latest stable this morning? | 17:41 |
daviddelikat1 | no, I'm trying to earn some money | 17:41 |
+perlDreamer | that's good, too | 17:43 |
daviddelikat1 | kinda quiet this morning | 17:45 |
+perlDreamer | we were all up late last night for the stable release | 17:48 |
+perlDreamer | except for bartjol, who was up late last night doing translations | 17:49 |
daviddelikat1 | I saw the new git repo | 17:49 |
+bartjol | I did 1 site | 17:49 |
daviddelikat1 | I'll have to get my dev system converted | 17:49 |
daviddelikat1 | unfortunately nothing seems to be working at my dev site so I can't get anything done... | 17:50 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r4bf6180 / (4 files in 3 dirs): change versions to 7.8.0 - http://bit.ly/18Dw56 | 17:50 |
+perlDreamer | nothing seems to be working? | 17:51 |
daviddelikat1 | well, nothing that relates to what I need to fix... | 17:52 |
+perlDreamer | what's going on? | 17:52 |
daviddelikat1 | im not sure | 17:52 |
+perlDreamer | I'm somewhat familiar with WebGUI, I may be able to help you sort it out. | 17:52 |
daviddelikat1 | i hope i can fix it soon though | 17:52 |
+bartjol | I did the translations today actually | 17:53 |
daviddelikat1 | well, when I click on a ticket the loadign box just sits there... no ticket... | 17:53 |
daviddelikat1 | and there are no errors | 17:53 |
daviddelikat1 | oops, I had a breakpoint set in firebug... | 17:54 |
daviddelikat1 | hate it when that happens | 17:54 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 17:54 |
+bartjol | perlDreamer: somewhat familiar? I thought you were the master of Gooeys | 17:54 |
daviddelikat1 | hes being modest | 17:55 |
daviddelikat1 | it never really works | 17:55 |
daviddelikat1 | because people see right through it | 17:55 |
+perlDreamer | I spent about half an hour looking up key bindings so I could debug the DatePicker | 17:55 |
+bartjol | so? what do you want to prove? | 18:05 |
+perlDreamer | just empathasizing with FireBug stuff | 18:06 |
+perlDreamer | I was trying to use the debugger | 18:06 |
+perlDreamer | but the JS widget I was debugging had an onChange action setup | 18:06 |
+perlDreamer | so I'd make a change, try to click the debugger controls, which would make the form lose focus | 18:07 |
+perlDreamer | and clicking in the form would call onChange again | 18:07 |
+perlDreamer | so I had to track down the keyboard bindings | 18:07 |
+perlDreamer | which aren't documented in FireBug itself, but in a webpage in their docs | 18:07 |
daviddelikat1 | does the safari debugger do any better? | 18:07 |
daviddelikat1 | the problem with firebug is that it is written in javascript | 18:08 |
daviddelikat1 | and it causes some things to happen just by using it... | 18:08 |
+perlDreamer | preaction's blog post would indicate that the safari debugger rocks | 18:09 |
daviddelikat1 | but is is implemented in JS? I have not used it much, but I think that it is, and so would suffer most of the same issues | 18:10 |
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@Haarg | i would expect it isn't | 18:10 |
daviddelikat1 | the design might be better, but... | 18:10 |
daviddelikat1 | I guess I'll have to try using it more | 18:10 |
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@Haarg | i haven't actually used safari's, but firebug's debugger is pretty poor. | 18:11 |
daviddelikat1 | the only really good debugger will be integrated into the JS engine | 18:12 |
daviddelikat1 | of course that can be done badly as well | 18:12 |
@Haarg | well, firebug is using the hooks designed for js debugging that are built in to the javascript engine. | 18:17 |
daviddelikat1 | oddly enough I probably don't know enough about this to have a valid opinion about it... | 18:19 |
daviddelikat1 | I just can't seem to get any decent debugging like I do in C and other favored languages... | 18:20 |
+perlDreamer | C been around a bit longer | 18:21 |
+perlDreamer | but yeah, you'd think they could leverage it | 18:21 |
@Haarg | i still tend to not use debugging at all. i always end up just sticking warns, alerts, etc around in code to test stuff. | 18:21 |
@Haarg | last time i did much interactive debugging was visual basic | 18:21 |
daviddelikat1 | I find that messages are better also, I just don't seem to be able to get things to work in JS | 18:22 |
CIA-53 | wrebuild: JT Smith master * r280878c / wre/docs/install.txt : made a note about wre console port - http://bit.ly/bvRdO | 18:22 |
CIA-53 | wrebuild: JT Smith master * r78ff9bb / (2 files): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/wrebuild - http://bit.ly/199rZB | 18:22 |
daviddelikat1 | a functions gotta get called before it puts up any messages... | 18:22 |
daviddelikat1 | one of the curses of event driven programming | 18:22 |
+perlDreamer | git pull will fetch&merge all branches, or only the branch I'm currently in? | 18:23 |
@Haarg | just the current branch | 18:23 |
+perlDreamer | and similarly with push? | 18:25 |
@Haarg | yes | 18:25 |
@Haarg | you can push arbitrary branches by doing 'git push origin master webgui-7.7' | 18:25 |
@Haarg | which pushes master and webgui-7.7 to origin, which is the default name of the remote you cloned from | 18:26 |
@Haarg | wait | 18:27 |
@Haarg | sorry, i forgot i configured mine differently | 18:28 |
@Haarg | 'git push' by default will push all matching branches | 18:28 |
@Haarg | so everything you have locally that came from the remote it will push | 18:28 |
@Haarg | it can be configured to do other things though | 18:29 |
+perlDreamer | pushing everything sounds easy, but dangerous | 18:29 |
+perlDreamer | maybe we should also have a recommended git config? | 18:29 |
@Haarg | i was just working on that actually | 18:29 |
* perlDreamer will proceed slowly and carefully in the meantime | 18:30 |
+perlDreamer | is the capitalization of /data/webgui significant? | 18:31 |
@Haarg | nope | 18:31 |
daviddelikat1 | the simple thing to do ( I think) is only commit what you really want to check in | 18:31 |
daviddelikat1 | cuz if it aint been committed it wont get pushed | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | that's not a bad policy, but there are times that unpushed version history would have helped me a lot | 18:33 |
@Haarg | unpushed version history? | 18:34 |
daviddelikat1 | I can definitely understand that, | 18:35 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1b9c2f3 / (3 files in 3 dirs): fix 10838, AdSku template variable help. - http://bit.ly/NArYz | 18:37 |
+perlDreamer | I was working on some file, then made changes to it, and wanted to revert back to exactly what I had before | 18:38 |
+perlDreamer | doing that in SVN is hard | 18:38 |
+perlDreamer | doing that in git is easy | 18:38 |
+perlDreamer | except for all the commits which get pushed afterward | 18:38 |
+perlDreamer | and I understand that those can be squashed if necessary | 18:38 |
daviddelikat1 | so is it possible to tell git to push only a spec commit? | 18:40 |
+perlDreamer | how does conflict resolution work in git? | 18:40 |
@Haarg | daviddelikat1, yes | 18:42 |
@Haarg | for conflict resolution, you have to be fully up to date before you push | 18:42 |
daviddelikat1 | that seems to me like the next simplest solution | 18:42 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, I merged in that commit to the 7.7 branch, and there was a merge conflict in the changelog. | 18:43 |
daviddelikat1 | so git pull/fetch before git push? | 18:43 |
@Haarg | when you say merge, you mean cherry-pick or something else? | 18:43 |
+perlDreamer | so what's the git analogue to "svn resolved" | 18:43 |
@Haarg | git add | 18:43 |
daviddelikat1 | does the conflict come during a push or commit? | 18:45 |
daviddelikat1 | or pull? | 18:45 |
@Haarg | pull | 18:45 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra665ef4 / (3 files in 3 dirs): fix 10838, AdSku template variable help. - http://bit.ly/qJO6y | 18:45 |
+perlDreamer | cherry-pick | 18:45 |
daviddelikat1 | seems like any one of the trhee could result in conflict | 18:45 |
@Haarg | or any of the other merge type commands | 18:45 |
+perlDreamer | I _think_ that was done cleanly | 18:46 |
@Haarg | commit is local only | 18:46 |
@Haarg | so there isn't really any possibility of a conflict | 18:46 |
@Haarg | push will only function if you are up to date | 18:46 |
daviddelikat1 | what if I did a fetch? | 18:46 |
@Haarg | fetch only updates the remote branches, not any local tracking branches you have | 18:46 |
@Haarg | you never make changes to the remote branches themselves | 18:47 |
daviddelikat1 | I thought fetch brought down items without updating the working files.. | 18:48 |
@Haarg | there is basically 'master on github' -> 'origin/master as remote branch (local)' -> 'master, your local tracking branch' | 18:48 |
@Haarg | correct | 18:48 |
daviddelikat1 | so I could have something different in my local copy of the repo than is in my working files? | 18:48 |
daviddelikat1 | wouldn't that leave open the possibility of a conflict? | 18:49 |
@Haarg | locally, you have origin/master. it represents the last known state of master on the remote system. | 18:49 |
@Haarg | you never make changes to it directly | 18:50 |
@Haarg | it get updated by a fetch or a push though | 18:50 |
@Haarg | your local master branch is separate from that | 18:50 |
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@Haarg | your local master branch is where you commit, and will diverge from origin/master | 18:50 |
daviddelikat1 | so fetch updates local/master but commit updates something else? | 18:50 |
daviddelikat1 | I see | 18:50 |
daviddelikat1 | much clearer | 18:51 |
daviddelikat1 | thanks | 18:51 |
@Haarg | when you want to push, it can't work unless origin/master is up to date with the remote system. i don't remember, but it may do an automatic fetch to make sure of that. | 18:51 |
@Haarg | once origin/master is up to date, it will merge your changes onto that through various means | 18:52 |
@Haarg | and then push will upload your changes to the remote server and update origin/master and master on the remote system | 18:53 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, http://gist.github.com/179782 | 18:54 |
+perlDreamer | alias.st is in there twice | 18:55 |
@Haarg | does that need more explanation? | 18:55 |
@Haarg | oop | 18:55 |
+perlDreamer | I think people will grok ignoring and colorizing | 18:56 |
+perlDreamer | but the tracking and pushing sections could use a little more explanation as to what they will do | 18:57 |
@Haarg | well | 18:57 |
@Haarg | the pushing thing makes it so it will push the current branch if it is set up as a tracking branch | 18:57 |
@Haarg | which leads into explaining what a tracking branch is | 18:57 |
@bopbop | up, perldreamer? | 18:58 |
@Haarg | branch.autosetuprebase remote means when you do a pull, instead of a merge it does a rebase | 18:58 |
@bopbop | um, I mean... | 18:58 |
@bopbop | not up | 18:58 |
@bopbop | I have a question when you have a chance | 18:58 |
+perlDreamer | I'm here and ready to apologize for bugs | 18:58 |
@bopbop | :) | 18:58 |
@Haarg | which means it tries to apply your commits to the end of the remote branch instead of just doing a merge | 18:59 |
@Haarg | and you end up with a more linear history | 18:59 |
@bopbop | can you go here: http://betatraining.plainblack.com/home/shop/ems | 18:59 |
@bopbop | and click on schdule | 18:59 |
@bopbop | schedule | 18:59 |
@bopbop | see how it says Special Presenter 2 in all columns? | 18:59 |
@bopbop | does that seem right? | 18:59 |
@Haarg | if you look at the wrebuild history for example, there are lots of 'merged master' commits that don't really add anything and just make the history more confusing. it would basically eliminate those. | 19:00 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: I've been seeing those from CIA. | 19:00 |
@Haarg | yeah | 19:00 |
+perlDreamer | bopbop, they don't seem right | 19:00 |
@bopbop | Jan 17 looks better | 19:00 |
@bopbop | I'll post a bug for now then | 19:01 |
+perlDreamer | bopbop: yes, but there are empty columns, too | 19:01 |
+perlDreamer | I'd recommend packaging up that EMS and making a bug report | 19:01 |
@bopbop | ok | 19:01 |
+perlDreamer | daviddelikat1, do you have a moment? | 19:01 |
daviddelikat1 | sorry, for snooping bopbop, but how do you like the schedule tables? | 19:01 |
daviddelikat1 | I do | 19:02 |
* mducharme-work prepares to upgrade his servers to 7.7.... | 19:02 |
+perlDreamer | could you take a peek at the schedule dispaly on bopbop's site? | 19:02 |
+perlDreamer | http://betatraining.plainblack.com/home/shop/ems | 19:02 |
daviddelikat1 | I'm looking already | 19:02 |
@Haarg | http://blog.woobling.org/2009/08/git-rebase-for-impatient.html and http://blog.woobling.org/2009/05/git-rebase-considered-awesome.html explain mostly why i think using rebase for pulls is a good idea | 19:02 |
daviddelikat1 | I couldn't help peaking since I've never seen it in use... | 19:03 |
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daviddelikat1 | does not look ok to me | 19:03 |
@Haarg | i'm just not certain if i can explain those entries in a concise enough format to make it worthwhile. | 19:05 |
mducharme-work | hmm in the webgui gotchas file under 7.7.7 it lists: * WebGUI now requires JavsScript::Minifier::XS 0.05 | 19:06 |
daviddelikat1 | Haarg: I think if you just comment that it makes a cleaner history that will suffice | 19:06 |
mducharme-work | is that supposed to say JavaScript and not JavsScript? | 19:06 |
+bartjol | mducharme-work: I suspect a type-o | 19:07 |
+bartjol | from testEnvironment.pl: checkModule("JavaScript::Minifier::XS", "0.05" ); | 19:09 |
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mducharme-work | ok | 19:11 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, in that case, just add the links as rationale | 19:12 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7b15f13 / docs/gotcha.txt : Fix a spelling typo. - http://bit.ly/Di57K | 19:13 |
@bopbop | daviddelikat1: I think the look of it is nice...but yeah, it's busted atm | 19:14 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r0b1f509 / docs/gotcha.txt : Fix a spelling typo. - http://bit.ly/3RFLZI | 19:14 |
daviddelikat1 | I'm not sure what it will do with only one event location, I'm trying it out on my test site | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | mducharme-work: fixed that typo | 19:15 |
mducharme-work | perlDreamer: thanks, that was quick :) | 19:16 |
mducharme-work | are you colin kuskie? | 19:16 |
+perlDreamer | I am today. | 19:16 |
mducharme-work | lol | 19:16 |
+perlDreamer | tomorrow, based on the sentiments of Mrs. Kuskie, I could be mud. | 19:16 |
mducharme-work | hehe | 19:17 |
mducharme-work | woo, well here goes nothing | 19:17 |
daviddelikat1 | theres no shame in mud, we all wear it now and trhen | 19:17 |
mducharme-work | 7.7 here we come | 19:17 |
mducharme-work | it'd help if I'm running mysql first probably | 19:17 |
mducharme-work | lol | 19:17 |
mducharme-work | if mysql was running rather | 19:17 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, http://gist.github.com/179782 | 19:18 |
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+perlDreamer | mducharme-work: one big caveat about upgrading to 7.7 | 19:18 |
+perlDreamer | you absolutely must upgrade to 7.6.35 first | 19:18 |
mducharme-work | I was already on the latest 7.6 version | 19:18 |
+perlDreamer | and the upgrade from 7.7.18 to 7.7.19 can take a while | 19:18 |
mducharme-work | which was 7.6.35 yes | 19:19 |
+perlDreamer | that looks good, Haarg. | 19:21 |
daviddelikat1 | perlDreamer: I have just made an event and mine looks OK, http://delikat.homeip.net:8080/ not sure what to think... | 19:22 |
mducharme-work | no errors visible in the upgrade output, upgrade is done | 19:22 |
mducharme-work | testing sites | 19:22 |
+perlDreamer | there's a package of bopbop's EMS in the bug report | 19:22 |
mducharme-work | wtf is a file pump | 19:23 |
mducharme-work | heh | 19:23 |
daviddelikat1 | perhaps I will work on that since I cant get help desk to cooperate with me right now... | 19:23 |
@preaction | Haarg: if you have time, could you add a README file to WGDev with install instructions so that it shows up on github? | 19:24 |
+perlDreamer | file pump is a way to reduce page load times | 19:24 |
@bopbop | daviddelikat1: you have empty columns, though | 19:25 |
+perlDreamer | it clumps up and minimizes your javascript, CSS and other files | 19:25 |
@Haarg | i've been meaning to do that. right now it autogenerates the readme through Module::Build, but that's not a very good way to go | 19:25 |
daviddelikat1 | yes, that can be configured away | 19:25 |
@bopbop | and where's your badge> | 19:25 |
daviddelikat1 | but at least all the stuff lines up the way it should | 19:25 |
daviddelikat1 | I only added the meeting/ticket item... | 19:26 |
@bopbop | in mine, the first two dates are goofy, but my last date looks like yours | 19:26 |
daviddelikat1 | it is not quite right either though | 19:26 |
daviddelikat1 | the first column is empty | 19:26 |
daviddelikat1 | I'll try uploading the package you posted with the bug report and see how it goes... | 19:27 |
+perlDreamer | is 7.8 considered a "minor" version? | 19:27 |
@preaction | yes | 19:27 |
@preaction | Major.Minor.Bugfix | 19:27 |
@bopbop | ok, and see how in mine, the column below the location is empty? | 19:27 |
+perlDreamer | so that means I can fix this: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10549 | 19:27 |
@bopbop | I'm gonna double check my tickets and make sure I didn't screw anything up in there, but they should be ok | 19:27 |
+perlDreamer | daviddelikat1: there's a package of that EMS in the bug report, if you want exactly what bopbop has on her site. | 19:28 |
daviddelikat1 | if there is any problems with the data it should have required a user edit to fix it and so is another bug... | 19:28 |
@bopbop | AND, my dates are wrong | 19:28 |
+perlDreamer | but first, the aforeunmentioned Ad and Ad Sales work! | 19:29 |
@bopbop | my tickets are scheduled for September, and the schedule is displaying January | 19:29 |
@bopbop | I'm headed there next perlDreamer :) | 19:29 |
mducharme-work | hrm | 19:29 |
mducharme-work | I have a server that is running the webgui vmware image | 19:29 |
mducharme-work | I can't install Digest::SHA on it | 19:29 |
mducharme-work | it says "cc: command not found" | 19:30 |
+perlDreamer | did you install a C compiler? | 19:30 |
mducharme-work | another guy set this up with the vmware image | 19:30 |
@bopbop | daviddelikat1: are you saying report a second bug re. dates? | 19:30 |
mducharme-work | what distro is this running? | 19:30 |
mducharme-work | heh | 19:30 |
+perlDreamer | I believe it's CentOS | 19:30 |
daviddelikat1 | i'm looking into it... | 19:30 |
@bopbop | ok | 19:30 |
+perlDreamer | cat /etc/redhat-* | 19:30 |
mducharme-work | I'm doing a yum install gcc | 19:31 |
mducharme-work | will see if that takes care of it | 19:31 |
mducharme-work | I would imagine cc is just a symlink to gcc | 19:31 |
@preaction | http://www.webgui.org/develop/forum/let-testing-reign <- anybody want to weigh in before the world gets to it? | 19:32 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: translation * r12320 /translations/German/German/PayDriver_ExpressCheckout.pm: Update from translation server | 19:33 |
@Haarg | oop | 19:34 |
@Haarg | preaction, did you see the stuff i said over skype? | 19:34 |
@preaction | which stuff? | 19:34 |
@preaction | oh, now i see | 19:35 |
@Haarg | about upgrades/packages/extras | 19:35 |
@preaction | yes, that's why i put the quantifier "probably" on my exceptions clause | 19:35 |
@preaction | there are those two things that can't be well tested | 19:35 |
@preaction | some template changes can't be well tested, especially template CSS compatibility issues | 19:36 |
@preaction | and testing upgrades is something that i've got an itch i'll be scratching soon i hope | 19:36 |
+perlDreamer | any exclusions should be documented | 19:38 |
+perlDreamer | even for Selenium tests | 19:38 |
+perlDreamer | how many/which browsers do we have to test in Selenium? | 19:38 |
@preaction | JT's telling me right now that UI-level tests are exempt | 19:38 |
mducharme-work | that did it... | 19:39 |
+perlDreamer | good :) | 19:43 |
mducharme-work | woohoo, now all my servers are running 7.7 | 19:44 |
mducharme-work | now I just have to figure out this storymanager thing | 19:44 |
+perlDreamer | start by adding a Story Archive to your site | 19:45 |
mducharme-work | ok, a quick question, about how I can do something with the storymanager | 19:45 |
+perlDreamer | sure! | 19:45 |
mducharme-work | or rather whether or not I can do something with it | 19:45 |
mducharme-work | at the moment, my site has a news page.. I have a shortcut on the main page that overrides to one threat per page to only show the topmost news article on the main page | 19:45 |
mducharme-work | er, thread | 19:45 |
mducharme-work | is that possible with story manager too? | 19:46 |
@preaction | yes | 19:46 |
+perlDreamer | you should be able to shortcut a StoryArchive and do the same thing | 19:46 |
@preaction | you can use the Story Topic asset to pull stories from the Story Archives | 19:47 |
mducharme-work | ahh! | 19:47 |
+perlDreamer | or, you could use RSS and the SyndicatedContent asset to do it | 19:47 |
mducharme-work | that might be exactly what I want | 19:47 |
mducharme-work | ok | 19:47 |
+perlDreamer | this thing is very flexible | 19:47 |
daviddelikat1 | bopbop: 2 of the three events have a blank location | 19:47 |
mducharme-work | yeah I used to get race conditions with RSS and syndicatedcontent | 19:47 |
mducharme-work | a long time ago, so I've been nervous about that since | 19:47 |
mducharme-work | heh | 19:47 |
daviddelikat1 | i'm not sure if this should be dis-allowed, but it seems to me that it should | 19:48 |
+perlDreamer | well, locations aren't currently required by EMS. They're optional. | 19:50 |
daviddelikat1 | that is what I meant by a data bug report | 19:50 |
daviddelikat1 | in that case the schedule needs to be fixed to handle that correctly | 19:51 |
daviddelikat1 | it currently uses the name of the location to fill the cells in the table | 19:52 |
daviddelikat1 | that is why it shows up in all the columns except the one that is not blank | 19:52 |
daviddelikat1 | the one at my dev site has been fixed | 19:52 |
daviddelikat1 | then there is the date issue | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | maybe if the location is blank, they should all be lumped into 1 column | 19:53 |
daviddelikat1 | most definitely a bug | 19:53 |
+perlDreamer | well... | 19:53 |
+perlDreamer | this comes back to the age-old issue of letting the user shoot themselves in the foot. | 19:53 |
+perlDreamer | if they don't specify a location, and the times clash, the schedule is going to be bad. | 19:54 |
@bopbop | I entered extra locations | 19:54 |
daviddelikat1 | that is what I thouhg, but the code needs to do something special with the blank location so that it doesn't show up everywhere... | 19:54 |
@bopbop | it looks better, butt | 19:54 |
@bopbop | but | 19:54 |
@bopbop | :) | 19:54 |
@bopbop | the dates are still wrong | 19:54 |
@bopbop | so, me thinks the date thing is a bug separate from the initial one | 19:54 |
daviddelikat1 | yes | 19:54 |
@bopbop | sorry, I just submitted an untitled ticket | 19:57 |
+perlDreamer | np, you can edit it after the fact in admin mode | 19:58 |
daviddelikat1 | I'm working on that too | 19:58 |
@bopbop | k- I'll do that | 19:58 |
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elnino_ | hi! what do you guys call the acordion menu that is shown on the left when in admin mode? | 20:00 |
+perlDreamer | Admin Bar | 20:00 |
+perlDreamer | re autocommit, in the settings you can also turn off comments | 20:00 |
elnino_ | i know, i just figured it would be ignored when auto committing. | 20:01 |
elnino_ | sorry so slow in typing, I'm one handed right now. =( | 20:01 |
+perlDreamer | what happened?! | 20:02 |
elnino_ | baby. =) | 20:02 |
+perlDreamer | oh, I thought you'd had a mountain climbing accident or something | 20:02 |
+perlDreamer | errant use of can opener | 20:02 |
+perlDreamer | wild dog attack | 20:02 |
elnino_ | so, did you know that the admin bar was missing while in asset manager? way bak in 7.6.27? | 20:03 |
+perlDreamer | yes, I remember that bug | 20:03 |
elnino_ | lol. no baby is adventurous enough right now for me. =) | 20:03 |
elnino_ | ok. I didn't want to duplicate a bug report. thanks. | 20:04 |
mducharme-work | wha | 20:04 |
mducharme-work | there's no way to attach files to a news article with this? | 20:04 |
mducharme-work | with the story manager | 20:04 |
+perlDreamer | no, just images so far. | 20:04 |
elnino_ | s/no/no, | 20:04 |
+perlDreamer | that would be a great RFE, though | 20:05 |
+perlDreamer | and since 7.8 is open for development.... | 20:05 |
mducharme-work | hrm | 20:06 |
mducharme-work | I can't even seem to attach an image | 20:06 |
mducharme-work | it asks me for the URL, I paste it in, it doesn't appear | 20:06 |
+perlDreamer | URL? That is a URL for the rendered photo to link to | 20:07 |
+perlDreamer | use the file upload field to add an image to the Story | 20:07 |
mducharme-work | ahh! | 20:08 |
mducharme-work | so I'm supposed to see a file upload field of some kind | 20:08 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 20:08 |
mducharme-work | I don't | 20:08 |
mducharme-work | lol | 20:08 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12321 /translations/German/German/ (3 files): Update from translation server | 20:09 |
mducharme-work | in neither IE nor firefox | 20:09 |
+perlDreamer | mducharme-work, since I can't see the VM you're using, how about setting up a beta demo site to play with? | 20:09 |
+perlDreamer | http://beta.webgui.org | 20:09 |
+perlDreamer | setup the Story Archive there, and then give me the URL so i can see what you're seeing | 20:10 |
mducharme-work | ahh | 20:11 |
mducharme-work | the webgui demo site has browse and remove buttons for the photo | 20:12 |
mducharme-work | those are missing on mine | 20:12 |
mducharme-work | I cannot replicate the issue with the webgui beta demo site becuase it has those buttons | 20:12 |
mducharme-work | do you want a sign in for my site so you can see? | 20:13 |
+perlDreamer | sure! | 20:13 |
+perlDreamer | you can do that? | 20:13 |
mducharme-work | yes | 20:14 |
mducharme-work | I msged you the info | 20:17 |
mducharme-work | you should be able to see the problem from there, I have the issue with firefox or IE, doesn't matter which | 20:17 |
mducharme-work | bizarre, isn't it? | 20:19 |
+perlDreamer | I see it | 20:20 |
+perlDreamer | which version of 7.7 did you install? | 20:20 |
@bopbop | can anyone tell me if there's anything special you have to do before you can use a Paypal payment method in Shop? Is there a merchant account or anything that you have to get from them? | 20:20 |
mducharme-work | whatever the current stable is | 20:20 |
mducharme-work | the buttons are missing on my other server too | 20:22 |
mducharme-work | all the websites I'm running are missing the buttons | 20:22 |
mducharme-work | browse and remove... | 20:22 |
+perlDreamer | I have a handle on it, and I'm tracking it down | 20:22 |
* SynQ hugs preaction | 20:33 |
@preaction | er... hi | 20:35 |
SynQ | http://www.webgui.org/develop/forum/let-testing-reign | 20:35 |
SynQ | for that post only I'll buy you a beer | 20:35 |
@preaction | yeah, i guessed ;) | 20:35 |
+perlDreamer | ah, but will you write tests? ;) | 20:40 |
SynQ | perlDreamer: in fact, I would like you to help me to write some WRE related tests during the hackaton | 20:40 |
SynQ | if you please | 20:40 |
+perlDreamer | I'm already 3-booked, but I'll do what I can :) | 20:41 |
SynQ | how many tentacles have you got? | 20:41 |
+perlDreamer | 2 | 20:41 |
SynQ | that's odd | 20:41 |
SynQ | I thought you where mr. gooey himself | 20:41 |
+perlDreamer | I compensate for my disability by typing fast | 20:42 |
SynQ | ah | 20:42 |
SynQ | I compensate by speaking fast ;) | 20:43 |
SynQ | but now its dinnertime | 20:43 |
ckotil | I was getting wierd Linux::Smaps errors in modperl.error, will adding $Apache2::SizeLimit::USE_SMAPS = 0; | 21:00 |
ckotil | cause me any headaches? | 21:00 |
@Haarg | it shouldn't | 21:01 |
mducharme-work | perldreamer is it something wrong in the code, or something with the database | 21:02 |
+perlDreamer | it's in the database, a template to be exact | 21:02 |
ckotil | k. also im seeing a lot of httpd process too big, exiting messages. is it safe to raise the max_process size value in modperl.pl ? | 21:02 |
ckotil | or should i just ignore those messages all together? | 21:02 |
@preaction | provided the SECONDS is over 1000, that's fine | 21:04 |
@preaction | if it's under 1000, you might want to raise it | 21:04 |
ckotil | seconds is set to 5 | 21:05 |
ckotil | check every 5 seconds. these are stock values in the 0.93 wre | 21:05 |
@preaction | no, in the message | 21:05 |
@preaction | in the config, it's REQUESTS, and that's set to 5 | 21:05 |
ckotil | ah, yes, it is. | 21:05 |
ckotil | exiting at SIZE=80896/100000 KB SHARE=2512/0 KB UNSHARED=78384/75000 KB REQUESTS=6 LIFETIME=0 seconds | 21:06 |
ckotil | ive got a navigation asset doing a lot of work ;) | 21:06 |
@preaction | yeah, you want to raise the unshared size | 21:07 |
@Haarg | you will want to raise the unshared limit | 21:08 |
ckotil | k. ill give it a shot. thanks guys/ | 21:08 |
@Haarg | the problem is that since Smaps isn't available, it can't detect the shared portion properly | 21:08 |
ckotil | yah, the issue with smamps is a bug in rhel. | 21:08 |
ckotil | webgui couldnt open the /proc/####/smaps file. because of read permissions | 21:09 |
ckotil | smaps was owned by root, and httpd runs as user webgui. | 21:10 |
@Haarg | yeah | 21:10 |
ckotil | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=322881 | 21:17 |
ckotil | not much movement on this in a good while | 21:18 |
ckotil | not seeing the httpd child process killed messages anymore. | 21:27 |
+perlDreamer | at this rate, Red Hat is going to make a pretty convincing argument to start using Ubuntu | 21:32 |
mducharme-work | or opensuse | 21:33 |
+perlDreamer | well, not for me | 21:33 |
+perlDreamer | I used Suse for a while, and I don't like the way they do config files | 21:33 |
mducharme-work | I use suse for just about everything except webgui | 21:33 |
ckotil | we're all rhel | 21:35 |
+perlDreamer | RH's perl has major speed issues running PerlCritic code | 21:36 |
+perlDreamer | I have a perl script that runs in 40 minutes | 21:36 |
+perlDreamer | it only take somebody on MacOS a few minutes to run it | 21:36 |
+perlDreamer | and the problem is known, and posted on RHEL's boards | 21:37 |
ckotil | the bless overload bug? | 21:38 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, that one | 21:38 |
ckotil | or something new | 21:38 |
mducharme-work | the config structure in apache in suse is quite complicated | 21:38 |
ckotil | i believe it's fixed now | 21:38 |
mducharme-work | it makes sense once you get used to it | 21:38 |
mducharme-work | but at first it's very complicated | 21:38 |
mducharme-work | heh | 21:38 |
+perlDreamer | ckotil, then maybe the issue is only in Fedora Core | 21:39 |
ckotil | the fix came out only a few months ago for the latest red hat | 21:39 |
+perlmonkey2 | well crap, the svn repo is now defunct? | 22:02 |
@Haarg | yes | 22:02 |
+perlmonkey2 | Any useful guides for converting the svn local to git? | 22:03 |
+perlmonkey2 | or just regrab it? | 22:03 |
@preaction | just regrab it, you can't convert | 22:03 |
+perlDreamer | regrab, it's pretty fast | 22:03 |
+perlmonkey2 | aye aye | 22:04 |
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+perlmonkey2 | does the git repo contain a 7.6 branch? | 22:17 |
+perlmonkey2 | would be really nice to just be able to git checkout 7.6 | 22:18 |
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+perlDreamer | it has 7.5, 7.6, 7.7, flux and several other branches | 22:21 |
@Haarg | it does contain a 7.6 branch, but there won't be any new releases from that branch | 22:25 |
@preaction | flux should probably be a fork | 22:28 |
@Haarg | the main reason flux and crypt are there is so i could get the svn part in line with the git part. patspam is free to do with them as he likes now. | 22:32 |
@Haarg | preaction (or anyone else), if you have any git-svn branches and would like to move them over to the real git repo let me know | 22:33 |
@preaction | i'll make a fork for mine, better that way | 22:34 |
@preaction | the webgui project should have only mainline stuff | 22:34 |
@Haarg | where you push them to doesn't really matter, i just mean if they have more changes than you want to deal with in patch form, moving the commits to the new repo | 22:35 |
@preaction | ah, no, i should be able to handle it (but if i can't, i'll let you know) | 22:36 |
@preaction | though perhaps my collaboration-fixes branch should get moved | 22:36 |
@preaction | isn't the git-svn a normal git repo? couldn't i push the branches to matching branches in my own fork? | 22:37 |
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@Haarg | it is a git repo, but it doesn't have the same history | 22:37 |
@preaction | ahh | 22:37 |
@Haarg | you wouldn't want to just merge them together for instance. you'd want to use some variation of rebase. | 22:38 |
@preaction | right, i keep forgetting about rebase | 22:38 |
@Haarg | probably with the --onto option | 22:39 |
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+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I think your gist took down github. | 23:12 |
+perlDreamer | huh? | 23:13 |
mducharme-work | tracked down the cause yet, perlDreamer? | 23:13 |
+perlmonkey2 | I saw the rss of your gist, went to github, saw it was down. | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | mducharme-work: it's something with the merged upgrade package | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | still tracking it down, to make sure it wasn't a widespread problem | 23:13 |
mducharme-work | ok | 23:15 |
mducharme-work | oh well, I guess that's what I get for being bleeding edge :) | 23:16 |
mducharme-work | hehe | 23:16 |
+perlDreamer | if you want to play with it now, track down the Edit Story template inside the Story Archive settings | 23:16 |
+perlDreamer | edit that template | 23:16 |
mducharme-work | nah I can wait | 23:16 |
+perlDreamer | change imgUploadForm to newUploadForm | 23:16 |
mducharme-work | I set up a story topic to pull stories from the archive but it doesn't seem to pull anything | 23:16 |
mducharme-work | obviously I did something wrong there | 23:17 |
+perlDreamer | need to assign keywords to the story, and the story topic that match | 23:17 |
@preaction | perhaps if the story topic has no stories, it could show a message that says how to add stories to the topic? | 23:17 |
+perlDreamer | that's not a bad idea, but I think the message should only be shown if you're in admin mode | 23:18 |
+perlDreamer | it's possible for a topic to go empty | 23:18 |
+perlDreamer | and be valid | 23:18 |
@preaction | i was thinking if ( $self->canEdit ) { // show message } else { // no message } | 23:18 |
@preaction | or if $self->canPost or whatever | 23:19 |
+perlDreamer | can't post to a topic | 23:19 |
+perlDreamer | but I think we agree that some kind of permission needs to gate that message | 23:19 |
@preaction | you know, i'm starting to miss the online help distributed with webgui | 23:19 |
+perlDreamer | I think we need to mandate that all new features get 1 wiki page | 23:20 |
+perlDreamer | not a lot of docs, but at least something to help people out | 23:20 |
mducharme-work | the default templates for storymanager are not nearly as nice as the ones shown in that screenshot that was posted online before | 23:21 |
@preaction | i have a better idea, we can talk about at the WUC. upgrade the translation server to add a Help section, export that as HTML and include it in WebGUI (we removed it only to get rid of the memory it used, which was substantial) | 23:21 |
@preaction | but why does Help need to use memory at all? why not make it HTML pages? | 23:21 |
mducharme-work | hrm I suppose it's not possible to change the time of a news article | 23:21 |
mducharme-work | on btw perlDreamer when I did the upgrade and it was changing templates, I did get a template not found error | 23:22 |
mducharme-work | it said skipping | 23:22 |
mducharme-work | I figured it was nothing at the time | 23:22 |
+perlDreamer | that's can be valid. It's in the gotchas | 23:22 |
mducharme-work | Unable to instanciate templateId: PBtmpl0000000000000048. Skipping...DONE! | 23:22 |
mducharme-work | in case that helps... | 23:23 |
mducharme-work | I don't suppose it's possible to change the date for a story without manually editing the backend db | 23:29 |
+perlDreamer | no | 23:29 |
+perlDreamer | it works on when the story was created, or last edited | 23:30 |
mducharme-work | eh.. I don't like that | 23:30 |
mducharme-work | I know collaboration system did the same thing but | 23:30 |
mducharme-work | it was understandable with something like forums, to not have control over that | 23:32 |
mducharme-work | perldreamer it looks like the problem is also causing issues with the story display | 23:37 |
mducharme-work | I'm seeing: Last Updated ago | 23:37 |
mducharme-work | By <blank> | 23:37 |
mducharme-work | more wrong variable names in the template, I guess | 23:37 |
+perlDreamer | yes, that's likely | 23:37 |
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@tavisto | perlDreamer is the man. | 00:01 |
+perlDreamer | tall marketing person is _happy_ | 00:01 |
@tavisto | hah I'm almost always happy | 00:02 |
@tavisto | even when things run amok | 00:02 |
+perlDreamer | even if there are Shop bugs? | 00:02 |
@tavisto | well yeah, then I'm just motivated to get them fixed :) | 00:02 |
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mducharme-work | aurgh, I hate switching between windows and linux, I keep typing dir in linux and ls in windows | 00:04 |
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@Haarg | i used to have aliases and stuff set up on windows for ls/mv/rm/cp etc | 00:06 |
@Haarg | luckily i haven't had to do a lot of windows command line work in a while | 00:06 |
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+perlDreamer | what's the git equivalent of svn revert -R . | 00:42 |
@Haarg | git reset --hard HEAD | 00:43 |
+perlDreamer | thanks | 00:55 |
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@preaction | Haarg, perlDreamer: Should we put changelog entries for 7.7.20 under 7.7.20 in both branches? | 01:36 |
@Haarg | no | 01:37 |
@Haarg | master should have a 7.8.0 heading already | 01:37 |
@preaction | it does, yes | 01:37 |
+perlDreamer | it does | 01:37 |
@Haarg | or is that not what you were asking | 01:37 |
@preaction | i guess i don't know why/how we merge the changelogs | 01:38 |
+perlDreamer | how is easy | 01:38 |
+perlDreamer | it's fixed in two different versions at the same time | 01:38 |
+perlDreamer | once in 7.8.0, and once in 7.7.20 | 01:38 |
+perlDreamer | when you close the bug in the board, you note which versions the bug is fixed in | 01:39 |
@preaction | eh, i'll just not rock the boat on this one | 01:39 |
@Haarg | i really want to change how we do changelogs but it would probably mean more work when doing a release | 01:39 |
+perlDreamer | lately, after talks with steveo_aa, I've been adding bug numbers to commits and svn revs to the helpdesk | 01:40 |
@preaction | that's a good idea, perlDreamer | 01:40 |
+perlDreamer | the credit goes to steveo_aa. It would have saved him a lot of log grepping if it was documented more clearly | 01:41 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * re502e77 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix #10873: Code editor breaks CSS comments - http://bit.ly/3ABRX1 | 01:44 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * rf9829e8 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix #10873: Code editor breaks CSS comments - http://bit.ly/10dHVX | 01:44 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10549 <- is this can be closed then? | 01:53 |
+perlDreamer | yes, after the new module is added to testEnv, and the right EMS import routine, with tests | 01:53 |
+perlDreamer | oh, and then we have to tell JT and SynQ so that add it to the WRE | 01:54 |
@preaction | we should open those as bugs against the WRE ("Missing new module: Whatever") | 01:56 |
@preaction | we should avoid just telling a person something as often as possible, keep things trackable | 01:56 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction: but if they use testEnv to validate the WRE, we shouldn't need a separate bug to track that? | 02:33 |
@preaction | true, i guess we don't need it | 02:41 |
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SDuensin | The upgrade is scaring me. It's going nuts! :-) | 02:47 |
+perlDreamer | well, nuts is better than bananas | 02:47 |
SDuensin | Yea. So far, no bananas. | 02:48 |
* SDuensin ain't fallin' for no bananas in the tailpipe. | 02:48 |
+perlDreamer | which part is it going nuts over? | 02:48 |
SDuensin | Purging things, making fields bigger for more evil JSON in the database, etc. | 02:48 |
+perlDreamer | hm. the part about purging old version tags does take a while | 02:49 |
SDuensin | Pre-packing takes the longest. Whatever that is. | 02:49 |
+perlDreamer | ah, that's a performance improvement | 02:49 |
+perlDreamer | it removes whitespace and comments from templates so that less data is sent | 02:50 |
SDuensin | Cool. | 02:50 |
+perlDreamer | it's good stuff, but converting all the templates takes a bit | 02:50 |
+perlDreamer | it only happens during the upgrade though | 02:50 |
SDuensin | I assume when it's purging old templates that it looks to see they're not being used first? | 02:50 |
+perlDreamer | it updates things that use it to use the new templates | 02:51 |
SDuensin | Cool. Even better. | 02:51 |
SDuensin | Wish I could attend the WUC. Sounds like good things are going to be happening. | 02:53 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, it's been quite fun in the past | 02:53 |
SDuensin | So does 7.8 follow now, or 8.0? | 02:54 |
+perlDreamer | 7.8 | 02:54 |
SDuensin | Was just wondering. I keep getting Email with Rizen telling everyone that 8 has some spiffy things planned. I want it now, okay? :-) | 02:55 |
+perlDreamer | I'll let him know you said that, when I see him. | 02:55 |
SDuensin | Yea, I know the answer. :-D | 02:55 |
+perlDreamer | You can make contributions to my future hospital bill at... donations@perldreamer.com | 02:55 |
SDuensin | My RFC made it past his "ban-hammer". :-) | 02:56 |
SDuensin | OK, first site I test is broken. Whee! | 02:59 |
+perlDreamer | but of course | 02:59 |
+perlDreamer | you didn't say "JSON in the db" | 02:59 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: we get danger pay for doing stable releases, right? | 03:03 |
SDuensin | Something is very angry here. I see a mention of Cache/Memcached.pm in the error log. Is that new? | 03:04 |
@Haarg | that is a very old module | 03:06 |
@Haarg | WebGUI::Cache::Memcached that is | 03:06 |
@Haarg | i'd recommend deleting it | 03:06 |
SDuensin | And how would you recommend doing that? | 03:07 |
SDuensin | Syndicated content is timing out, too. | 03:08 |
@Haarg | rm /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Cache/Memcached.pm | 03:08 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rde28455 / (19 files in 3 dirs): Fix issues with upgrading templates from 7.6.35 to 7.7.19. Fixes #10878. - http://bit.ly/PLXwW | 03:08 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb6cc484 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'webgui-7.7' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui into webgui-7.7 - http://bit.ly/1E8nwj | 03:08 |
+perlDreamer | I thought I fixed that... | 03:09 |
@Haarg | the merge thing? | 03:09 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 03:10 |
SDuensin | Uh, where'd all my RSS feeds go? | 03:11 |
+perlDreamer | RSS is for ninnies. We got rid of that. | 03:13 |
SDuensin | Yea, I see that. :-P | 03:13 |
SDuensin | That breaks a LOT of my sites. | 03:13 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, did you read the gotchas? | 03:13 |
SDuensin | I thought I did. I'm reading it again. | 03:14 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer: git config branch.webgui-7.7.rebase true | 03:14 |
+perlDreamer | thanks, Haarg | 03:15 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin has found a documentation hole. | 03:15 |
+perlDreamer | It is documented that we changed our RSS modules | 03:15 |
+perlDreamer | but not what the side effects are | 03:15 |
SDuensin | Is it? What release was it? | 03:15 |
+perlDreamer | 7.7.2 | 03:15 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, please file a bug about that. | 03:16 |
SDuensin | Ok, yea, I see that. | 03:16 |
SDuensin | Not even sure what the bug is just yet. How do I put my feeds back? | 03:16 |
+perlDreamer | And I apologize for asking if you'd read the gotchas. In this case, the info you need isn't in there. | 03:16 |
SDuensin | NP. Most people don't read. I run into that all the time. :-) | 03:17 |
+perlDreamer | You don't. You'll need to update the feed URLs to the new style. | 03:17 |
+perlDreamer | it used to provide asset.rss as a URL | 03:17 |
SDuensin | From the source, it looks like a ?option on the URL somewhere. | 03:17 |
+perlDreamer | now it provides asset?func=viewRSS | 03:17 |
SDuensin | Yea. Fixing. | 03:18 |
+perlDreamer | asset?func=viewRss | 03:18 |
* perlDreamer goes to make dinner | 03:18 |
SDuensin | After the update, Apache immediately reports: "server reached MaxClients setting, consider raising the MaxClients setting" after starting it. | 03:44 |
SDuensin | My web sites are horrendously slow to respond, too. | 03:44 |
SDuensin | Seems my "depreciated layouts" all became "Default Page". Grrr. | 03:51 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin: do you think this is clear enough for a notice about the change in RSS URLs? | 04:25 |
+perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/180069 | 04:25 |
+perlDreamer | anyone else who'd like to review that is welcome, as well | 04:25 |
SDuensin | Yea, that's much clearer. | 04:26 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r206f0bc / docs/gotcha.txt : Update gotcha about changes to RSS. - http://bit.ly/15gSPN | 04:29 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfe25304 / (4 files in 4 dirs): | 04:37 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Reorganize AdSpace properties for prices and permissions. | 04:37 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Remove click and impression prices. Remove groupToPurchase. | 04:37 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Expose minimum clicks and impressions to the UI. - http://bit.ly/Cw44r | 04:37 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3d93120 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/2mcbIM | 04:37 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7ebd486 / docs/gotcha.txt : Update gotcha about changes to RSS. - http://bit.ly/XaR0H | 04:37 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r13dd3f3 / (lib/WebGUI/AdSpace.pm t/AdSpace.t): | 04:37 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Finish updating AdSpace for reorganization. | 04:37 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Remove groupToPurchase, update tests to follow suit. - http://bit.ly/uGVFl | 04:37 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction, we should review the gotcha.txt file for any other omissions. | 04:40 |
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SDuensin | Yea, like NUKING LAYOUTS. :-P | 04:52 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, I'll check, because it's been a while, but doesn't the gotcha list all templates that are being deprecated, and what they are being updated with? | 04:54 |
SDuensin | Why were used layouts removed anyway? Just curious. | 04:54 |
@preaction | because they were tables or other bad HTML practices | 04:55 |
SDuensin | And trashing the appearance of tons of sites was *better*? | 04:55 |
@preaction | yep | 04:55 |
SDuensin | Can I have your home phone so I can pass it along to my users? :-P | 04:56 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8316643 / lib/WebGUI/Group.pm : Remove group cleanup check for AdSpace group. - http://bit.ly/16y41v | 04:57 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfea30d0 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/User.pm t/User.t): Fix getProfileUrl, so it works with preventProxyCache. fixes #10877 - http://bit.ly/12HCtk | 04:57 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r6d836c9 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/User.pm t/User.t): | 04:58 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Fix getProfileUrl, so it works with preventProxyCache. fixes #10877 | 04:58 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Conflicts: | 04:58 |
CIA-53 | webgui: docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt - http://bit.ly/u7fLj | 04:58 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: now that I've fixed a few more bugs and busted all of SDuensin's sites, I'm going to call it a night. | 04:59 |
SDuensin | hehe | 04:59 |
@preaction | sounds like an evening | 04:59 |
* perlDreamer needs to write some slides, and then celebrate his wedding anniversary | 05:00 |
@preaction | ooh, party time | 05:00 |
+perlDreamer | 14 years today | 05:00 |
+perlDreamer | I can't believe she's put up with me this long | 05:00 |
@preaction | she's a saint | 05:01 |
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@Haarg | yay snow leopard | 06:57 |
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+perlDreamer | morning, folks | 17:42 |
+perlmonkey2 | good morning | 17:51 |
daviddelikat1 | I am not fond of packages -- as a project development tool | 17:52 |
daviddelikat1 | that is WG packages | 17:52 |
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+perlDreamer | WG packages do one thing very well, and that is they allow you to port content between sites | 17:56 |
+perlDreamer | after that, they leave a lot to be desired | 17:56 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto: no new Shop bugs today? | 17:57 |
@tavisto | actually there are now 4 | 17:57 |
+perlDreamer | 4? | 17:57 |
@tavisto | whatever you did broke lots of other stuff | 17:57 |
@tavisto | just kidding! | 17:57 |
@tavisto | ;) | 17:57 |
+perlDreamer | phew | 17:57 |
@tavisto | <---- evil evil man sometimes | 17:58 |
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@tavisto | son of ah | 18:01 |
+perlDreamer | for now, we'll just start with a little username and profile analysis in WebGUI | 18:04 |
+perlDreamer | man, has the whole WebGUI world stopped to install Snow Leopard? | 18:30 |
@tavisto | PB staff shouldnt be doing that | 18:30 |
@tavisto | JT said that there are several issues with Snow Leopard when it comes to Open Office, and Adobe products | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | testing question | 18:41 |
+perlDreamer | over the years I've accumulated scripts for building assets with children, stuffing inboxes and other tasks. | 18:41 |
+perlDreamer | it's handy to have them around so that you can quickly have a wiki with lots of pages for testing, for example | 18:41 |
+perlDreamer | is it worth putting them into git? | 18:42 |
@Haarg | in their own repo you mean? | 18:42 |
+perlDreamer | sure, someplace where other people could get to them | 18:44 |
@Haarg | sounds like a good idea to me | 18:44 |
+perlDreamer | I _almost_ did this with Selenium | 18:44 |
@Haarg | sounds like things i might want to steal to stuff into wgdev | 18:45 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r04c422c / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 18:46 |
CIA-53 | webgui: WikiMaster keyword pagination fixes, re # 10856. | 18:46 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Add pagination template variables to the default byKeyword template. | 18:46 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Fix pagination URL for keywords. - http://bit.ly/ATXJD | 18:46 |
+perlDreamer | here's one I just made for a stuffed wiki: http://gist.github.com/180364 | 18:47 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, after resolving a commit, I get an automatic Commit coda add to the commit comments | 18:49 |
+perlDreamer | do I just have to manually delete that every time? | 18:49 |
@Haarg | the conflicts section you mean? | 18:50 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 18:51 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4ea146f / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 18:52 |
CIA-53 | webgui: WikiMaster keyword pagination fixes, re # 10856. | 18:52 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Add pagination template variables to the default byKeyword template. | 18:52 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Fix pagination URL for keywords. | 18:52 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Conflicts: | 18:52 |
CIA-53 | webgui: docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt - http://bit.ly/1GnJel | 18:52 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9c2fb21 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move package to correct directory for 7.8. - http://bit.ly/PEQYu | 18:52 |
@Haarg | i want to think i saw a hook for that but i'm not certain | 18:53 |
@Haarg | yeah | 18:55 |
@Haarg | mv .git/hooks/prepare-commit-msg.sample .git/hooks/prepare-commit-msg | 18:56 |
@Haarg | chmod +x .git/hooks/prepare-commit-msg | 18:56 |
+perlDreamer | teach me how to fish, where did you find that? | 18:56 |
@Haarg | grep -i conflict .git/hooks/* | 18:57 |
@Haarg | i looked through the sample hooks a long time ago so i just remembered it was in there | 18:57 |
@Haarg | you can do whatever you want with that hook of course | 18:58 |
+perlDreamer | the funny thing is, I deleted the Conflict message this time | 18:58 |
+perlDreamer | I'll watch more closely next time | 18:58 |
+perlDreamer | also, we have to be careful with merging commits with packages | 18:58 |
+perlDreamer | because when I cherry-picked that last commit, it put it into packages-7.7.20 in the 7.8 branch | 18:58 |
@Haarg | yeah | 18:59 |
@Haarg | has to be manually handled, but that's pretty much the same as with svn | 18:59 |
+perlDreamer | svn had its own pain, in that it wouldn't copy it over | 19:00 |
mducharme-work | it'll probably be another week before 7.7.20 I would imagine? | 19:03 |
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+perlDreamer | probably two | 19:03 |
+perlDreamer | but I'll speak to the powers that be about that | 19:04 |
mducharme-work | you'll probably find more than enough fixes in the first week to justify a release... | 19:05 |
+perlDreamer | the only issue is that it's during the WUC, which makes time a premium | 19:05 |
mducharme-work | I'd rather some things fixed and some things still broken than wait two weeks for everything to be fixed | 19:05 |
+perlDreamer | me, too :) | 19:05 |
+perlDreamer | how can people use my beautiful StoryManager without good templates? | 19:06 |
@Haarg | for template problems at least you would be able to import the new packages into a 7.7.19 site without running the upgrade | 19:08 |
@Haarg | and it wouldn't cause any later problems | 19:08 |
+perlDreamer | sure, importing them twice won't hurt | 19:08 |
+perlDreamer | but, this experience has taught me something really important | 19:08 |
+perlDreamer | all along, we've said that webgui.org and PB.com can be used as benchmarks for upgrades | 19:08 |
+perlDreamer | and that's not strictly true | 19:09 |
+perlDreamer | those sites never take the shunt upgrades | 19:09 |
daviddelikat1 | Haarg: I'm trying to restore some stuff from git stash but it tells me: 'Cannot restore on top of a dirty state' | 19:09 |
daviddelikat1 | git diff says there is no diff | 19:09 |
@Haarg | you have modified files | 19:09 |
@Haarg | what about git status? | 19:09 |
daviddelikat1 | do you know how to figure out what is causing it? | 19:09 |
@Haarg | or git diff --cached | 19:10 |
daviddelikat1 | git status shows some untracked files | 19:10 |
daviddelikat1 | git diff cached shows no difference | 19:10 |
@Haarg | does the stash entry have anything related to those untracked files? | 19:11 |
daviddelikat1 | the untracked files were there when I created the stash | 19:11 |
@Haarg | you can use git stash show or git stash show -p to see what is in the stash | 19:12 |
@Haarg | not sure about the dirty state thing if you have no changes | 19:12 |
@Haarg | you could try git reset --hard HEAD | 19:12 |
@Haarg | which will reset everything to the state of the last commit | 19:13 |
@Haarg | so if git is confused about something that should clear it up i would think | 19:13 |
daviddelikat1 | one of the files was a swap file from vi once I closed the vi session the git stash pop worked... | 19:14 |
daviddelikat1 | would it help if swap files were in the ignore list? | 19:15 |
@Haarg | yes | 19:16 |
@Haarg | you might want to look at my post on the dev list for some recommended config stuff | 19:16 |
daviddelikat1 | ok | 19:17 |
+perlDreamer | merging and cross-porting commits is easier in git | 19:18 |
+perlDreamer | and it seems faster than svn, at least on my laptop | 19:19 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7d74429 / (19 files in 3 dirs): Fix issues with upgrading templates from 7.6.35 to 7.7.19. Fixes #10878. - http://bit.ly/u3oBu | 19:19 |
@Haarg | 000001000001000045000014.json ? | 19:21 |
+perlDreamer | oh yeah | 19:21 |
+perlDreamer | 000001000001000045000014.json is critical to the recovery process for those templates | 19:22 |
+perlDreamer | this would mean a little more work during release, but what would happen if we named the packages directory for this release "current", and then it gets renamed to be version specific after release? | 19:25 |
@Haarg | after? | 19:25 |
@Haarg | so it would be named current in the tarball? | 19:25 |
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+perlDreamer | hm | 19:25 |
+perlDreamer | maybe some of the fine details need to be worked out | 19:26 |
+perlDreamer | how about just before the release? | 19:26 |
+perlDreamer | but you see the goal? | 19:26 |
@Haarg | i see it but i'm not sure it will work out | 19:26 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3632c87 / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.0/000001000001000045000014.json : Remove extra JSON file. - http://bit.ly/IDCVf | 19:26 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r744c24f / docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.20/000001000001000045000014.json : Remove extra JSON file from packages dir. - http://bit.ly/pg6zm | 19:26 |
JDan | Little question about packages. I exported package to file. Next I imported it to other site. I see new wobjects at Asset Tree. But when I try to view new page system show message "The page you have requested does not exist. What would you like to do?" | 19:28 |
+perlDreamer | JDan: do you have uncommitted version tags? | 19:29 |
+perlDreamer | also, check the log for any helpful error messages | 19:29 |
daviddelikat1 | the new package should also show up in the admin bar under new content--packages | 19:29 |
daviddelikat1 | after you import the package you still have to create a copy of it on a page somewhere | 19:29 |
+perlDreamer | I thought it deployed right away? | 19:30 |
JDan | My site has set "Commit Without Approval" | 19:31 |
daviddelikat1 | mine never do | 19:31 |
JDan | There are no any errors at logs | 19:31 |
+perlDreamer | JDan, if there was an error during import, the autocommit may not have been triggered | 19:32 |
+perlDreamer | and WebGUI can error silently | 19:32 |
JDan | But why assats are at assat tree. I see subpages in /root/home subtree | 19:33 |
mducharme-work | perldreamer yeah I find the storymanager basically unusable at the moment with the issues...... | 19:33 |
+perlDreamer | I'll see about appending the packages that fix the problem to the bug later today, so then can be downloaded | 19:34 |
JDan | ok. I have another problem with communications error which I don't know how to solve. I scande all forums and articles. Nothnig special for my case. I'll sent new post to forum and describe ... | 19:37 |
JDan | thanks | 19:37 |
+perlDreamer | JDan: which version of WebGUI are you using? | 19:43 |
JDan | today I upgrated to 7.7.19 | 19:43 |
JDan | I had hope meny problems go away | 19:43 |
JDan | WRE compiled on Debian Leny from source 0.9.3 | 19:44 |
JDan | practicaly dedicated for WebGUI server | 19:44 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg: account CSS seems to be split between 2 files | 19:47 |
@Haarg | is it actually split? | 19:48 |
+perlDreamer | I believe that the templates pull CSS elements from both | 19:48 |
@Haarg | when i looked at it last it was mostly a duplicate | 19:48 |
@Haarg | and then it has a yui css file copied into it as well | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | that's the one in extras, or the snippet? | 19:50 |
+cap10morgan | for ldap groups, can you use an OU as a group? | 20:00 |
+cap10morgan | i.e. it doesn't have member attributes, it contains the actual user records | 20:00 |
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@Haarg | perlDreamer, the one is extras. i may have been wrong about the copy thing actually | 20:43 |
@Haarg | *in | 20:43 |
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@bopbop | in the display tab for assets, there is a printable style template- out of curiosity, what needs to be done to make the printable version of a page available- is there a macro or some kind of template variable? | 21:30 |
@bopbop | is it ^r(); | 21:31 |
@bopbop | nm, answered my own question | 21:32 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rcdb7fd2 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix pagination for keywords listing in Story Archive. Fixes bug #10890. - http://bit.ly/3aVwRr | 22:42 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re9068ef / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix pagination for keywords listing in Story Archive. Fixes bug #10890. - http://bit.ly/16B7Xi | 22:43 |
+perlDreamer | if changelog entries are made at the bottom of the list, then the conflicts go away | 22:46 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbdfe44d / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix EMS registrant lookup template JS bug #10884. - http://bit.ly/Z2Ieo | 22:50 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r655d9bd / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix EMS registrant lookup template JS bug #10884. - http://bit.ly/LD0H2 | 22:50 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r4bec356 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move packge to correct upgrade directory. - http://bit.ly/13LaeK | 22:50 |
ckotil | website is down | 22:59 |
ckotil | pb anyway | 22:59 |
ckotil | wg too | 22:59 |
@Haarg | i'm working on it | 22:59 |
ckotil | cool | 23:01 |
@Haarg | should be fixed now | 23:02 |
ckotil | looks good | 23:02 |
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mducharme-work | hrm.. can the new storymanager group by month/year without having them as keywords? | 23:20 |
+SynQ | what is the weather like in Madison? | 23:22 |
+perlDreamer | mducharme-work: what do you mean by "group"? | 23:23 |
+perlDreamer | SynQ: http://www.weather.com/weather/local/USWI0411?lswe=Madison,%20Wisconsin&from=searchbox_localwx | 23:26 |
mducharme-work | perlDreamer: like this: http://www.novell.com/news/press/ | 23:26 |
+perlDreamer | okay, it won't sort by press releases vs news briefs | 23:27 |
+perlDreamer | and by default, it groups news by day | 23:27 |
+SynQ | perlDreamer: is that T-shirt weather? | 23:27 |
mducharme-work | I don't need it to sort by press releases vs news briefs | 23:27 |
+perlDreamer | SynQ: and shorts, if you've have cute legs | 23:27 |
mducharme-work | I just like the way month/year thing works on that page | 23:27 |
+SynQ | perlDreamer: no chance, hairy ones | 23:28 |
mducharme-work | for looking at older news articles | 23:28 |
+perlDreamer | mducharme-work: for something without a lot of news, less granularity is nice | 23:28 |
+SynQ | time for bed | 23:29 |
+SynQ | what time is it in madison now | 23:29 |
+perlDreamer | 3:40pm | 23:29 |
+SynQ | ah | 23:29 |
mducharme-work | true, but it would be nice if there could be configurable "group by" levels | 23:29 |
+SynQ | it's 10:30pm here | 23:29 |
mducharme-work | people would not need to group by month and/or year unless they chose to do so.. | 23:30 |
+SynQ | perlDreamer: that must be 3:30pm right? | 23:30 |
+perlDreamer | my laptop clock is off | 23:30 |
+SynQ | ah | 23:30 |
+SynQ | so when I get back and arrive at schiphol at 7:00am here | 23:31 |
+SynQ | it's actually midnight from where I came from | 23:31 |
+perlDreamer | mducharme-work, if you have a look at the template variables for the StoryArchive, you'll see there's a loop for each day | 23:31 |
+SynQ | right | 23:31 |
+SynQ | night :) | 23:31 |
+perlDreamer | adding additional loops for months/years would be far simpler then making it configurable | 23:31 |
+perlDreamer | code-wise anyway | 23:32 |
+perlDreamer | then it's just up to the user to figure out which levels they want to nest | 23:32 |
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+cap10morgan | to answer my own question, yes you can. i should post a wiki entry about it... | 23:44 |
mducharme-work | perldreamer ahh ok, cool | 23:47 |
+perlDreamer | cap10morgan, all new LDAP knowledge is greatly appreciated | 23:59 |
+cap10morgan | cool, yeah, i need to write it down before i forget it too | 23:59 |
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+cap10morgan | i tricked the recursive group property into doing the right thing for this | 00:00 |
+cap10morgan | essentially treating all the user records as single-member groups | 00:00 |
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elnino | Hi I'm visiting the shop once again. Is there a why to categorize the specifications in a product asset? | 00:04 |
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+perlDreamer | elnino, no | 00:08 |
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+perlDreamer | Offhand, I'd say that if you want something like that, put it into the description since you can use any markup you want there. | 00:08 |
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mducharme-work | cap10morgan that's neat | 00:20 |
elnino | ok. | 00:20 |
mducharme-work | I haven't fooled around yet with ldap groups, haven't had a need to | 00:20 |
+cap10morgan | except it didn't actually work, hahaha | 00:20 |
mducharme-work | oh | 00:20 |
mducharme-work | you can probably do that in the ldap server itself by making a dynamic group, btw | 00:20 |
daviddelikat1 | does anybody know a good way to debug events in a browser? | 00:21 |
mducharme-work | that's a special type of group where the member list is generated dynamically based on the results of a query | 00:21 |
@preaction | JS events? add a breakpoint to the handler you're using | 00:22 |
daviddelikat1 | no browser events | 00:24 |
daviddelikat1 | I click and the function that issupposed to be attached does not run | 00:24 |
daviddelikat1 | I know this because I have a breakpoint attached to it | 00:24 |
daviddelikat1 | problem is that there are two fields with the same id on my page | 00:25 |
daviddelikat1 | so I get the parent element | 00:25 |
daviddelikat1 | and then get the first(only) child which is the field that I am connecting to | 00:26 |
daviddelikat1 | and add an onchange listener | 00:26 |
@preaction | why are there two fields with the same ID? that's a bug right there. | 00:29 |
@preaction | does it also have the same name? | 00:29 |
daviddelikat1 | the id is the default generated by WG | 00:30 |
daviddelikat1 | i think the nams are the same as well | 00:30 |
daviddelikat1 | one is for the search ticket form | 00:30 |
daviddelikat1 | the other is for the ticket it self | 00:30 |
@preaction | so they're in different forms | 00:30 |
daviddelikat1 | the ticket field is not in a form at all | 00:31 |
@preaction | you can change the ID from inside WebGUI, give it an id => property | 00:31 |
daviddelikat1 | I'm just grabbing the onchange event and sending off some ajax | 00:31 |
daviddelikat1 | I'll see if that helps, thanks | 00:32 |
+cap10morgan | ah, ok, if i put uid in both group property and recursive group property, then it works | 00:33 |
+cap10morgan | but it seems kind of slow | 00:33 |
mducharme-work | try doing it through a dynamic group in ldap, cap10morgan | 00:38 |
+cap10morgan | i'd rather not | 00:39 |
+cap10morgan | i want webgui to be able to do it directly | 00:39 |
mducharme-work | there are basically no ldap things that can do that directly that I'm aware of | 00:40 |
mducharme-work | so if webgui can do that, it can do something pretty much nothing else can | 00:40 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r541b8a4 / lib/WebGUI/Form/Codearea.pm : Remove debug code from Codearea - http://bit.ly/6Xzfi | 00:42 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r046bc36 / lib/WebGUI/Form/Image.pm : Update POD for getValue in Form/Image - http://bit.ly/8myBI | 00:42 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r882817c / lib/WebGUI/Form/Codearea.pm : Remove debug code from Codearea - http://bit.ly/1nNRA | 00:42 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2276b98 / lib/WebGUI/Form/Image.pm : Update POD for getValue in Form/Image - http://bit.ly/4fvtqd | 00:42 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, Haarg: I don't think this is a bug: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/10883 | 00:51 |
+perlDreamer | a guy runs WebGUI on a non-standard port behind a firewall that blocks that port | 00:51 |
@preaction | i don't think it is either. there's a configuration setting that should be fixing the port | 00:51 |
@preaction | webserverPort : 80 | 00:52 |
+perlDreamer | that's the problem, he has that set to a different port number | 00:52 |
@preaction | that's the port for the front-facing web server | 00:52 |
@preaction | you're not supposed to change that | 00:52 |
@preaction | unless the front-facing web server is not port 80 | 00:53 |
@preaction | webgui uses that to build URLs, nothing more | 00:53 |
+perlDreamer | I resolved it | 00:56 |
@preaction | perhaps the docs are unclear? | 00:57 |
+perlDreamer | I suppose that people could confuse web server with the actual server that WebGUI is running on. | 00:58 |
@preaction | perhaps include "This is used to create URLs, so use the public-facing webserver port"? | 00:59 |
+perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/180561 ? | 01:01 |
@preaction | looks good to me | 01:02 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r39b9bd3 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt etc/WebGUI.conf.original): Clarify the documentation for webServerPort in config file. Fixes bug #10883 - http://bit.ly/13zE5B | 01:07 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r80d629a / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt etc/WebGUI.conf.original): Clarify the documentation for webServerPort in config file. Fixes bug #10883 - http://bit.ly/c5clK | 01:07 |
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+perlDreamer | I've noticed that when I look at a block of code, and I see $self->session->blah more than 3-4 times per line, that my eyes just glaze over | 01:49 |
@preaction | we should make a P::C::Policy for that | 01:52 |
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@preaction | and one for deprecated methods, we really need to start cleaning things up | 01:52 |
+perlDreamer | have you looked at the InOutBoard code recently? | 01:53 |
sbaur | hi everyone | 01:54 |
sbaur | question for the group: how do y'all determine what gets into the gotcha.txt file? | 01:54 |
+perlDreamer | howdy sbaur | 01:54 |
+perlDreamer | anything that is supposed to trip up an admin is supposed to go into the file | 01:55 |
+perlDreamer | so it tends to be subjective | 01:55 |
@preaction | better question: sbaur, what did we miss? | 01:56 |
sbaur | then i'll register a mild protest that changing the macro parser wasn't mentioned (between 7.5 and 7.6) specifically the part about having to quote inner macros when you are nesting them | 01:56 |
sbaur | that's going to be a real PIA to fix across our sites | 01:56 |
@preaction | i'd say submit a bug that it wasn't mentioned | 01:57 |
sbaur | there was a bug -- 10057 | 01:57 |
@preaction | Haarg: do you remember when that change was made? | 01:57 |
@preaction | ok | 01:57 |
@preaction | then, writing a script to change those things won't be too hard, if you want to use support hours to do it | 01:57 |
sbaur | now that's an idea | 01:58 |
@preaction | we can save your people 20 hours of work by using 2 hours of work, so to speak | 01:58 |
@Haarg | how were you using quotes before sbaur? | 01:58 |
sbaur | ^CanEditText(^AdminToggle("Edit On","Edit Off");); | 01:59 |
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sbaur | now that just displays ^AdminToggle("Edit On" under 7.6 and higher | 02:00 |
sbaur | which of course makes it doubly hard to fix as you have to add ?func=edit to actually edit it | 02:00 |
+perlDreamer | ?switchOnAdmin might be more helpful | 02:01 |
+perlDreamer | let me double check that fragment | 02:01 |
+perlDreamer | yes: ?switchOnAdmin | 02:01 |
+perlDreamer | that will throw you into Admin mode | 02:02 |
@Haarg | ?op=switchOnAdmin | 02:02 |
sbaur | yes, but for whatever reason ?func=edit is already memorized so easier then looking up one of the others :) | 02:03 |
@Haarg | that was one edge case we didn't catch i guess. we tried to match the behavior of the old parser in most cases, but the old routine was rather ambiguous in some of those cases. | 02:07 |
@Haarg | luckily it is much much better tested now so any changes in how it parses things are easy to detect | 02:08 |
sbaur | that's good to know | 02:15 |
sbaur | it's too bad the old parser adds the quotes (single quotes in this case) as literals if I try to quote it before upgrading the site. | 02:17 |
sbaur | Thanks preaction, perlDreamer and Haarg for your help with this | 02:22 |
+perlDreamer | we're sorry for the hangup, sbaur | 02:22 |
+perlDreamer | thanks for giving us a heads up so we can fix it | 02:22 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r5090c80 / t/Macro.t : add another quoting edge case to macro tests - http://bit.ly/ekDYk | 02:25 |
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elnino | did i read somewhere that i can import products? | 02:50 |
elnino | or was i going to write a scrript for that? | 02:51 |
+perlDreamer | you can import products via a Shelf | 02:57 |
+perlDreamer | you can export them as well | 02:57 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, preaction, any thoughts on this? http://gist.github.com/180618 | 02:59 |
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+perlDreamer | that's crazy | 03:00 |
+perlDreamer | perldoc checks for ownership? | 03:00 |
+perlDreamer | man perldoc will help out understanding that | 03:01 |
+perlDreamer | it's a taint/security issue | 03:03 |
@Haarg | oh? | 03:04 |
elnino | perlDreamer, from like an csv file? what version do i need? | 03:04 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: man perldoc, then /SECURITY | 03:04 |
+perlDreamer | elnino, I believe that works all the way back to 7.6 | 03:05 |
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+perlDreamer | 7.5, actually | 03:05 |
+perlDreamer | you can find some sample import files in t/supportingCollateral | 03:06 |
@Haarg | http://gist.github.com/180619 guess i should try that locally | 03:06 |
@Haarg | thanks though perlDreamer, i should be able to fix it | 03:07 |
+perlDreamer | http://perldoc.perl.org/perldoc.html | 03:08 |
@Haarg | yeah, it works fine locally. just thought that was funny. | 03:08 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2b3219c / sbin/userImport.pl : Fix POD typos in userImport.pl. Each POD directive is a paragraph. - http://bit.ly/L7ugL | 03:10 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r82fab29 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/InOutBoard.pm : | 03:10 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Massive refactoring and bug fixing in InOutBoard. | 03:10 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Used placeholders for many queries, i18n'ed the Search button in | 03:10 |
CIA-53 | webgui: viewReport, fixed bugs related to users with no selected department | 03:10 |
CIA-53 | webgui: in their profile, fixed a bad query still looking for old style | 03:10 |
CIA-53 | webgui: user profile data. - http://bit.ly/TsLWA | 03:10 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf4d8725 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/InOutBoard.pm : | 03:10 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Massive refactoring and bug fixing in InOutBoard. | 03:10 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Used placeholders for many queries, i18n'ed the Search button in | 03:10 |
CIA-53 | webgui: viewReport, fixed bugs related to users with no selected department | 03:10 |
CIA-53 | webgui: in their profile, fixed a bad query still looking for old style | 03:10 |
CIA-53 | webgui: user profile data. - http://bit.ly/phCZ8 | 03:10 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2d967fc / t/Macro.t : Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/kNNip | 03:10 |
+perlDreamer | that merge message is still in there... | 03:11 |
@Haarg | git config branch.master.rebase true | 03:11 |
@Haarg | it's a per branch setting | 03:11 |
elnino | perlDreamer, and "t" is locarted where? | 03:11 |
+perlDreamer | elnino: /data/WebGUI/t :) | 03:11 |
@Haarg | then there is the global setting as well, which enables the per branch setting when the branch is created | 03:11 |
elnino | oh good grief. thx | 03:12 |
@Haarg | but if you already had the branch, it won't inherit that setting | 03:12 |
+perlDreamer | I'll just set them all manually for now | 03:12 |
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CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r3d2b45e / (inc/WGDev/Builder.pm lib/WGDev/Help.pm): improve handling for when run as root - http://bit.ly/7fgHe | 04:04 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, okay to push some changes to the WGDev repo? | 04:22 |
+perlDreamer | or do you want patches? | 04:22 |
+perlDreamer | I added a note about package --upgrade to the Intro docs | 04:23 |
+perlDreamer | and a --toHex switch, to convert base64 GUIDS to hex format on the command line | 04:23 |
@Haarg | go ahead and push | 04:23 |
@Haarg | if you ever have changes you aren't certain about, fork it on github and push to your own repo | 04:24 |
@Haarg | then you can just tell me on here or send a pull request through the web interface and i'll take a look at it | 04:24 |
@Haarg | that's what patspam has been doing and it works a lot better than sending patches | 04:25 |
+perlDreamer | okay | 04:25 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Colin Kuskie master * rf4c0823 / lib/WGDev/Command/Intro.pm : Add intro docs for package --upgrade. - http://bit.ly/f2AGT | 04:26 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Colin Kuskie master * raa4be8c / lib/WGDev/Command/Guid.pm : Add the toHex switch, which converts base64 GUIDs to hex. - http://bit.ly/ZbX4M | 04:26 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Colin Kuskie master * r72f703b / (43 files in 14 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:haarg/wgdev - http://bit.ly/hBAQh | 04:26 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r7a910a0 / (3 files in 3 dirs): allow specifying sitename in shortened form - http://bit.ly/123htd | 04:37 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * rc9ecdc9 / Changes : updating Changes - http://bit.ly/OXRHn | 04:37 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r55b3552 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Document that the IOB bug was fixed in the changelog. - http://bit.ly/M4vl0 | 04:49 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8d30bc2 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Document that the IOB bug was fixed in the changelog. - http://bit.ly/XsLUc | 04:49 |
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CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * rd9b383b / inc/WGDev/Builder.pm : make sure different versions use different temp directories - http://bit.ly/q18zi | 05:54 |
elnino | hi. | 06:07 |
elnino | Should I be updating perl mods via cpan, or does wre do all that for me? | 06:07 |
mducharme | you should be updating perl mods... | 06:08 |
mducharme | but use the wre cpan | 06:08 |
mducharme | there is a cpan.sh that launches it, in /data/wre/sbin | 06:08 |
mducharme | elnino when you upgrade webgui you need to read the gotchas file and see what new modules are needed in the upgrade path from the version you are on to the version you are going to, and install those via the wre cpan.sh BEFORE doing the upgrade | 06:09 |
mducharme | if the required modules are not installed in advance the upgrade may fail partway through... | 06:09 |
elnino | ok. Thanks mducharme. I don't think I've used wre's cpan. | 06:09 |
elnino | right | 06:09 |
mducharme | well wre has it's own perl, so it has its own cpan | 06:09 |
mducharme | installing the modules into the system perl won't help | 06:10 |
mducharme | also woudln't be a bad idea to do a ". setEnvironment.sh" in advance too | 06:10 |
mducharme | to make sure all the environment variables are set to use the wre stuff.... | 06:10 |
elnino | the cpan.sh does that, and does the normal cpan command, which is already in my environment, so I gues I do use wre's =) | 06:10 |
mducharme | I don't actually trust the wre backup myself and manually shut down webgui and .tgz up the /data folder tree before doing any upgrade | 06:12 |
mducharme | only thing you need running when doing the webgui upgrade is mysql.. the other processes can be stopped | 06:12 |
elnino | I do too. =) | 06:12 |
+perlDreamer | you people are paranoid!!!! | 06:16 |
mducharme | hehe | 06:17 |
mducharme | it pays to be paranoid, in this business | 06:18 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * rf7ed6f2 / Changes : mark release date - http://bit.ly/OjhMf | 06:46 |
+perlDreamer | elnino: we aren't fixing 7.6 bugs anymore, but I suspect that the same bug exists in 7.7 | 07:47 |
elnino | did you see my second bug report? | 07:48 |
+perlDreamer | yes, RSS feeds are done differently in 7.7 | 07:49 |
+perlDreamer | and with 7.7 being stable, demo is running it | 07:49 |
+perlDreamer | in the CS edit screen, you'll see an RSS tab | 07:50 |
+perlDreamer | all the old RssFromParent and RssCapable stuff is gone | 07:50 |
+perlDreamer | replaced by the RssFeed AssetAspect | 07:50 |
elnino | but it didn't give me a "rss from parent" asset | 07:50 |
+perlDreamer | it won't | 07:50 |
elnino | so what url do I use? | 07:50 |
+perlDreamer | in 7.7 they don't exist anymore | 07:50 |
+perlDreamer | urlForCS?func=viewRss | 07:51 |
elnino | ew. ok. | 07:51 |
+perlDreamer | you can always use a redirect asset to hide that behing urlForCS.rss | 07:51 |
+perlDreamer | behind urlForCS.rss | 07:51 |
elnino | too much hassle. I liked it when you did that for me. =) | 07:52 |
+perlDreamer | you wouldn't believe all the problems we had with the old solution | 07:52 |
+perlDreamer | this one is not as pretty URL-wise, but much easier to deal with | 07:52 |
+perlDreamer | I did a 10 minute talk last year on why RssFromParent/RssCapable is bad at the WUC | 07:52 |
+perlDreamer | well, more like 5 minutes | 07:53 |
elnino | I missed that one. sorry. | 07:55 |
+perlDreamer | maybe we should submit an RFE to add a button to the RSS tab that automatically makes the redirect asset for you? | 07:56 |
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@plainhao | morning, peeps | 15:14 |
* plainhao has a question about style (webgui, not fashion). | 15:15 |
@plainhao | i have this page layout with a particular style, and in that style template, i have this: ^AssetProxy(weird/sku/asset); | 15:17 |
@plainhao | that embedded sku asset is processing its own template correctly, but inherits the page layout's style template, so its processed output never shows up. | 15:19 |
@plainhao | my question is, what should i do? i tried this: <tmpl_if body.content><tmpl_var body.content><tmpl_else>^AssetProxy(weird/sku/asset);</tmpl_if> | 15:20 |
@plainhao | but it seems body.content is never fully empty | 15:20 |
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+perlDreamer | good morning everybody! | 17:32 |
@Haarg | morning perlDreamer | 17:32 |
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+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: if you haven't installed presto yet you might consider it. 165MB of updates reduced to 5.4MB of delta rpms. Maybe not so important for you, but a huge deal for my 768kbps line. | 18:16 |
+perlDreamer | is it available for FC10? | 18:17 |
+perlmonkey2 | no idea. | 18:17 |
+perlmonkey2 | yep, looks like it is. | 18:18 |
+perlmonkey2 | yum-presto looks like it has been available since FC-6, but I doubt many drpms were built until recently. | 18:18 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0dd476e / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Codearea.pm): YUI 2.6 has element-beta-min. Fixes 10893. - http://bit.ly/XyVq0 | 18:21 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, the asset manager JSON thing has me stumped. | 18:29 |
+perlDreamer | which fields have macros in them, and where/how do they get processed? | 18:29 |
@Haarg | the case i ran into had a macro in the title | 18:30 |
@Haarg | i don't know why | 18:30 |
@Haarg | but if you just return content to the URL content handler, it always does macro processing on it | 18:30 |
@Haarg | err | 18:31 |
@Haarg | i mean the Content URL handler | 18:31 |
@Haarg | because it calls session->output->print | 18:31 |
@Haarg | you can avoid that by calling $session->output->print($content, 1); | 18:32 |
@Haarg | but there's no way for the content handler to signal the Content URL handler to do that | 18:32 |
+perlDreamer | we can use Mime Type | 18:32 |
@Haarg | possibly | 18:32 |
@Haarg | anything that isn't text/ | 18:33 |
@Haarg | the fix i put on frozen was to have the www_ method in the asset manager code call $session->output->print($content, 1) and return "chunked" | 18:33 |
@Haarg | the problem with the mime type is that there are cases where we return JSON as text/html | 18:34 |
@Haarg | on purpose | 18:34 |
+perlDreamer | that would lead to the 2nd question | 18:35 |
+perlDreamer | how in the world did a title get shoehorned in there with a macro in it? | 18:35 |
@Haarg | i don't know | 18:35 |
@Haarg | it was a rather old asset | 18:35 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, that's what I was thinking | 18:35 |
+perlDreamer | it predates fixTitle | 18:36 |
@Haarg | yeah | 18:36 |
+perlDreamer | when JSON is returned as text/html, is that by design, or just because the mime type hasn't been set? | 18:37 |
@Haarg | by design | 18:38 |
@Haarg | there isn't a good solution for it that i know if | 18:38 |
@Haarg | *of | 18:38 |
@Haarg | the problem is yui upload controls | 18:38 |
@Haarg | if you use YUI connection's file upload, it actually uses an iframe to do the upload | 18:39 |
@Haarg | so the result has to be something that can be loaded in an iframe | 18:39 |
+perlDreamer | which is HTML | 18:39 |
@Haarg | and it has to be something that can be parsed | 18:39 |
@Haarg | apparently if you use text/plain browsers do funny things like turn it into html by wrapping it in <pre> tags | 18:40 |
+perlDreamer | in that case, I'll take the frozen fix, apply it, and shop it around to some of the other content handlers | 18:40 |
+perlDreamer | but it's just ugly | 18:40 |
@Haarg | yes | 18:41 |
@Haarg | it might be good to just use the mime type | 18:41 |
@Haarg | then for other cases add special handling | 18:41 |
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+perlDreamer | yeah | 18:41 |
@Haarg | it seems like a better solution for those situations would be to use text/plain or similar and then rip off the pre tags. | 18:45 |
@Haarg | i have a feeling text/html is going to mess with the content in more subtle ways | 18:45 |
+perlDreamer | at that point, though, we're all the way back in the browser | 18:50 |
+perlDreamer | and it should be YUI's job to handle that mess for us | 18:50 |
+perlDreamer | well, in my JS newbie opinion :) | 18:51 |
+perlDreamer | did you know that ! bind tighter than =~ ? | 18:51 |
@Haarg | not offhand | 18:53 |
@Haarg | yui tries to handle as much of that as it can, but it has to fight the browser | 18:53 |
@Haarg | you can't use the correct mime type no matter what yui does | 18:53 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r960ca38 / lib/WebGUI/Session/Http.pm : Update POD to show new default mime type. - http://bit.ly/3Pz18w | 18:55 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rca0d836 / (3 files in 3 dirs): fix #10891: Change session->output->print to skip macros based on detecting the mime-type. - http://bit.ly/dz7hE | 18:55 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rfcaad56 / t/Asset/Wobject/EventManagementSystem.t : Make test clean-up its version tag. - http://bit.ly/3rjou2 | 19:32 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r54b9d4d / t/Asset/Wobject/EventManagementSystem.t : Make test clean-up its version tag. - http://bit.ly/11cC1x | 19:32 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg: did you do something to the git config to make it rewrite paths for the packages directory? | 20:58 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rf28b87b / (2 files in 2 dirs): Patch matrix listing template. fixes #10900 - http://bit.ly/zUiFI | 20:58 |
@Haarg | no | 20:58 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 20:59 |
@Haarg | why? | 21:00 |
+perlDreamer | I just cherry picked an update from master that contained a new package | 21:00 |
+perlDreamer | during the "autocommit" I got this: | 21:01 |
+perlDreamer | rewrite docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.20/matrix-default-detailed-listing.wgpkg (100%) | 21:01 |
+perlDreamer | and sure enough, in master, that package is in 7.8 | 21:01 |
+perlDreamer | and in webgui-7.7, it's in 7.7.20 | 21:01 |
@Haarg | heh | 21:01 |
@Haarg | git tries to be very smart about merging so apparently it figured it out | 21:02 |
+perlDreamer | that makes merging packages so easy! | 21:02 |
@Haarg | we'll see going forward how well it does | 21:03 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1e37b6b / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Shelf.pm): Only log products that aren't defined in the Shelf. fix 10902 - http://bit.ly/Z4JB8 | 21:25 |
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elnino | hmm. so.. I need to create a "request quote" form Do I do this with custom code? or is there a way to use the dataform asset that will populate fields from url parameters, and drop list choices from the current list of product assets? | 22:31 |
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+perlDreamer | elnino, the FormParam macro will let you fill out with URL parameters, but doing the drop down list is something altogether different. | 23:46 |
+perlDreamer | Maybe you could bend the Thingy to do that | 23:47 |
elnino | I was just thinking that. does thingy have emailing capabilities/ | 23:47 |
elnino | ? | 23:47 |
+perlDreamer | it has triggers to run workflows, and it wouldn't be too hard to make a workflow that sends emails based on that | 23:49 |
elnino | ok. I'll have to think some more. Thanks! | 23:49 |
+perlDreamer | good luck :) | 23:53 |
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+SynQ | wow | 00:05 |
+SynQ | this is awsome: http://www.webgui.org/use/community-wiki/installing-webgui-in-debian | 00:05 |
+perlDreamer | SquOnk++ | 00:07 |
+SynQ | perlDreamer: can you help me explain the output of the utility script "wg-testCodebase --configFile /etc/webgui/webgui.conf" | 00:08 |
+SynQ | Called UNIVERSAL::can() as a function | 00:08 |
+SynQ | does that ring a bell? | 00:08 |
+perlDreamer | that is a perl bug that can be ignored | 00:08 |
+SynQ | hmm | 00:08 |
+SynQ | can it be circumvented too? | 00:08 |
+perlDreamer | just have to live with it until the module authors fix it | 00:09 |
+SynQ | don't that just suck | 00:09 |
+perlDreamer | you kind of get used to it | 00:09 |
+perlDreamer | like nose hair | 00:09 |
+SynQ | uh huh | 00:09 |
+SynQ | nose hair can be trimmed | 00:09 |
+SynQ | or pulled | 00:09 |
+perlDreamer | maybe you could filter it out using grep? | 00:10 |
+perlDreamer | grep -v 'UNIVERSAL::cal' | 00:10 |
+perlDreamer | or, if you are a perl puring | 00:10 |
+SynQ | grep -v 'UNIVERSAL::can' then | 00:10 |
+perlDreamer | perl -ne 'print unless /UNIVERSAL::can/;' | 00:10 |
+SynQ | uh huh | 00:10 |
+SynQ | that costs way more memory :P | 00:10 |
+SynQ | I can ignore it | 00:11 |
+perlDreamer | sorry, man. I don't like it either | 00:11 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg doesn't like it. | 00:11 |
+SynQ | perhaps someone needs to hyjack that perl module :P | 00:11 |
+perlDreamer | or, maybe somebody could track down what is causing it, fix it, then send the module author a patch | 00:12 |
+SynQ | Can't call method "headers" on an undefined value at t/Asset/Redirect/mech.t line 96. | 00:12 |
+SynQ | is that bad? | 00:12 |
+perlDreamer | that one is bad | 00:13 |
+perlDreamer | sounds like a test bug, rather than a core bug, though | 00:13 |
+SynQ | ok | 00:13 |
+SynQ | perlDreamer: do you know if I can use WebGUI current stable on debian too? | 00:15 |
+perlDreamer | I think the latest WebGUI Debian package is 7.6.35.2 | 00:15 |
+SynQ | I know | 00:15 |
+SynQ | works like a charm | 00:15 |
+perlDreamer | is apache running on the maching that you're testing? | 00:16 |
+SynQ | uh huh | 00:16 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 00:16 |
+SynQ | why? | 00:16 |
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+perlDreamer | that test passes on my dev box | 00:17 |
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+perlDreamer | source install, webgui 7.7.20 | 00:17 |
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+SynQ | I'll give it a go later | 00:18 |
+perlDreamer | how's the new WRE coming along? | 00:20 |
+SynQ | slowly | 00:20 |
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+SynQ | SquOnk kudo's for you | 00:28 |
+SynQ | it works! | 00:28 |
@Haarg | does the latest version of UNIVERSAL::can still spit out those errors? | 01:07 |
@Haarg | well, warnings | 01:07 |
+perlDreamer | I'm running 1.05, and it does. 1.12 is available | 01:09 |
+perlDreamer | sorry, I'm running 1.05 of UNIVERSAL | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | let me install it quick, and see what pops out | 01:11 |
@Haarg | of UNIVERSAL or UNIVERSAL::can ? | 01:11 |
+perlDreamer | let me double check | 01:12 |
+perlDreamer | I've been working late, and I'm making stupid mistakes today | 01:12 |
+perlDreamer | I was running 1.05 of UNIVERSAL::can | 01:12 |
+perlDreamer | installing 1.15 fixes the problem | 01:12 |
@Haarg | cool | 01:13 |
+perlDreamer | I was thinking of installing IE8 on my Vista VM to test a bug, but I don't know if it's easy to uninstall | 01:13 |
+perlDreamer | have you done something like that? | 01:13 |
@Haarg | uninstall ie8? | 01:17 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, so i can still have IE7 available. | 01:18 |
@Haarg | i just have separate VMs for ie6/7/8 | 01:18 |
@Haarg | if you just want to test it once, you should be able to take a snapshot, install, test, and revert | 01:18 |
@Haarg | hopefully they add branching snapshots to virtualbox soon so i'll be able to use that instead of having separate VMs | 01:19 |
+perlDreamer | This may have been a dream, but I remember a story on Slashdot saying that M$ was thinking about not making browsers anymore. | 01:23 |
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@tavisto | perldreamer, all is well in wG shop land. Just helped her process her order. Was some hangup with her address info (from previous funked up order) | 01:25 |
+perlDreamer | good news :) | 01:25 |
@tavisto | yep, as long as the address funkiness doesn't happen again. Which I assume wont now that her order saved her info | 01:26 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction, Haarg: I just fixed a bug for the File form plugin. | 02:54 |
+perlDreamer | I've tested the CS and the Profile system | 02:54 |
+perlDreamer | can you think of any other edge cases that I should check? | 02:54 |
+perlDreamer | okay, it must be time to quit | 03:04 |
+perlDreamer | I just created git commit beebeef | 03:04 |
+perlDreamer | even git is telling me that it's time for dinner | 03:04 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0cbc4ee / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/File.pm): | 03:04 |
CIA-53 | webgui: fix #10879. Form/File loses files from previous storageId. | 03:04 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Tested Collaboration System, and User Profile Avatar field. - http://bit.ly/A2btC | 03:04 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rbeebeef / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/File.pm): | 03:04 |
CIA-53 | webgui: fix #10879. Form/File loses files from previous storageId. | 03:04 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Tested Collaboration System, and User Profile Avatar field. - http://bit.ly/DxFTl | 03:04 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8fd0be0 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Purge tests before cleaning up version tags. Fix a leaky test. - http://bit.ly/t3rGb | 05:48 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rd60591d / (2 files in 2 dirs): Purge tests before cleaning up version tags. Fix a leaky test. - http://bit.ly/NoBDi | 05:48 |
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daviddelikat1 | preaction: ping | 16:59 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r72d4c56 / lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm : Log an error if duplicate cannot make a copy of itself. | 22:04 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6b1fde7 / lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm : Log an error if duplicate cannot make a copy of itself. - http://bit.ly/zCsJF | 22:04 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r448c4d0 / lib/WebGUI/AssetBranch.pm : Fix POD in duplicateBranch, tidy the code. - http://bit.ly/3ljjhn | 22:04 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9e2cdbd / lib/WebGUI/AssetBranch.pm : Fix POD in duplicateBranch, tidy the code. - http://bit.ly/3izGdx | 22:04 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rd4d1b14 / lib/WebGUI/Macro/UsersOnline.pm : | 22:04 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Force userId comparisons in SQL to use strings, not numbers. | 22:04 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Use WGBP for reference syntax. - http://bit.ly/NPC8d | 22:04 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2f602df / lib/WebGUI/Macro/UsersOnline.pm : | 22:04 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Force userId comparisons in SQL to use strings, not numbers. | 22:04 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Use WGBP for reference syntax. - http://bit.ly/36ZBhg | 22:04 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf484a34 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix date display in EMS Schedule. fixes 10876. - http://bit.ly/30kylU | 22:06 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5eeaecc / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix date display in EMS Schedule. fixes 10876. - http://bit.ly/2Pt03O | 22:06 |
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+perlDreamer | WUC-5 and counting | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | daviddelikat1: you're loving this helpdesk thing, aren't you? ;) | 01:52 |
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daviddelikat1 | your back... | 02:11 |
daviddelikat1 | I just sent you email replying to your comment.... | 02:11 |
daviddelikat1 | perlDreamer: ^^^^ | 02:12 |
+perlDreamer | sorry, I'm in and out | 02:30 |
daviddelikat1 | 's ok | 02:30 |
daviddelikat1 | you get your stuff done? | 02:30 |
daviddelikat1 | slides. | 02:30 |
+perlDreamer | I need 3 more screen shots, then I can start building the actual slides | 02:31 |
daviddelikat1 | ooof... how big is your presentation? | 02:31 |
+perlDreamer | should come in at 40 minutes | 02:31 |
+perlDreamer | but I always make too many slides, then talk too fast and get done early | 02:31 |
daviddelikat1 | sounds pretty normal | 02:31 |
+perlDreamer | in this case, Story manager, that's not bad, since I'm hoping people come with lots of questions | 02:31 |
+perlDreamer | so having extra time at the end is a bonus | 02:32 |
daviddelikat1 | where does story manager show up in WG admin bar? | 02:32 |
+perlDreamer | In the community section | 02:33 |
daviddelikat1 | is it not released yet? I don't see it | 02:33 |
daviddelikat1 | or do I have to install it manually | 02:34 |
+perlDreamer | it's in 7.7. Might want to check your config file to see if it's in there | 02:34 |
daviddelikat1 | I'm looking at breading edge here so I'll check | 02:34 |
daviddelikat1 | s/bread/blead/ | 02:34 |
+perlDreamer | the problem with breading edge is all the crumbs :) | 02:35 |
daviddelikat1 | the problem with my typing is all the crumbs... | 02:35 |
* SDuensin is angered at the config file. | 02:35 |
daviddelikat1 | wooo theres life out there | 02:35 |
daviddelikat1 | 'sup SDuensin? | 02:36 |
+perlDreamer | It's in JSON | 02:36 |
SDuensin | I'm going to write a script that rebuilds them from data in the SQL database so they're all the same. Right now, I have a mess - they're all different depending on when they were created. | 02:36 |
SDuensin | JSON for configs is Good Stuff (tm). | 02:36 |
daviddelikat1 | doesn't the upgrade script have some code that reads/rewrites the config file? | 02:37 |
SDuensin | If it does, it turned a blind eye to me. | 02:38 |
+perlDreamer | not by default | 02:39 |
+perlDreamer | you have to manually do the upgrades | 02:39 |
SDuensin | Which is A-NOY-ING. :-P | 02:39 |
daviddelikat1 | so any time there is something to add to the config it has to be done by hand? | 02:39 |
daviddelikat1 | like the stgory manager? | 02:40 |
SDuensin | Yup. | 02:40 |
SDuensin | Eventually, I'll have: ./webguiupdate; ./fix-shit | 02:40 |
+perlDreamer | daviddelikat1: in the case of Story Manager, it should have been added to the config file in the 7.7.4 to 7.7.5 upgrade | 02:40 |
+perlDreamer | or, any new site should get it as well, since it's in the default WebGUI.conf file | 02:40 |
daviddelikat1 | so doesn't that have to read/write the config file? | 02:41 |
+perlDreamer | it does | 02:41 |
daviddelikat1 | hence my suggestion | 02:42 |
+perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/181561 | 02:42 |
+perlDreamer | let me try to be clearer | 02:42 |
+perlDreamer | the upgrade skeleton and default subs in there don't do anything to upgrade site config files | 02:42 |
+perlDreamer | if you want to upgrade it, you have to write a subroutine to do it | 02:43 |
+perlDreamer | and they're pretty simple | 02:43 |
+perlDreamer | the API is quite nice | 02:43 |
+perlDreamer | however, since it's based on hashes, the config file that is written out doesn't keep comments, or any particular order | 02:43 |
daviddelikat1 | this is mine from adSku $session->config->addToHash("assets", 'WebGUI::Asset::Sku::Ad' => { category => 'shop' } ); | 02:44 |
daviddelikat1 | well that didn't work... | 02:44 |
daviddelikat1 | http://gist.github.com/181562 | 02:44 |
SDuensin | Side question... Why such an extensive config file anyway? Why not put the bulk of that in the SQL database to make it easier to manipulate? | 02:44 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, it's due to performance | 02:45 |
+perlDreamer | the config file is loaded when apache starts up | 02:45 |
+perlDreamer | and cached again | 02:45 |
+perlDreamer | the settings in the database have to be returned on every page hit | 02:45 |
+perlDreamer | since any previous hit may have changed them | 02:45 |
SDuensin | Can't cache 'em? | 02:45 |
SDuensin | I mean, let it require a restart to change them. Who cares. | 02:46 |
SDuensin | Just seems easier. :-) | 02:46 |
SDuensin | Then all you'd need on disk is information on how to contact the database. | 02:46 |
+perlDreamer | sure, dbpass, dbuser and dsn | 02:46 |
+perlDreamer | and slave information | 02:46 |
SDuensin | Yup. | 02:47 |
SDuensin | That's what I'm headed towards here. All my WebGUI stuff is going to be generated so it's consistent. | 02:47 |
daviddelikat1 | did you know that you can 'git' a clone of a 'gist' | 02:48 |
* SDuensin doesn't know much about git yet. | 02:48 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg mentioned that earlier this week | 02:48 |
+perlDreamer | pretty handy sometimes | 02:48 |
daviddelikat1 | I wonder if you could use it as a third party communication system | 02:49 |
+perlDreamer | one of my favorites is curl http://gist.githum.com/172345.txt | patch -p1 | 02:49 |
daviddelikat1 | two applications could talk without either one having an open port | 02:49 |
SDuensin | WTF is gist? | 02:49 |
daviddelikat1 | its like paste bin | 02:50 |
+perlDreamer | it's a paste application hosted by github | 02:50 |
SDuensin | ah | 02:50 |
daviddelikat1 | only works with git | 02:50 |
+perlDreamer | each gist is its own repo, so you can change it, branch it, clone it, etc | 02:50 |
daviddelikat1 | I found a git - vm online that I'm dieing to try out... | 02:50 |
daviddelikat1 | I wonder if it has gist on it? | 02:51 |
+perlDreamer | git - vm ? | 02:51 |
daviddelikat1 | I hav enot booted it up yet so i dont know what s on it | 02:51 |
daviddelikat1 | virtual machine | 02:51 |
daviddelikat1 | its ~very~ small | 02:51 |
daviddelikat1 | like 90Meg | 02:52 |
daviddelikat1 | I hope it runs git-hub because its a very nice interface. | 02:52 |
+perlDreamer | wow | 02:52 |
daviddelikat1 | I just did rm -r on the repo i made of my gist.... | 02:53 |
daviddelikat1 | I forgot the -f | 02:53 |
daviddelikat1 | so it asks me to confirm each file | 02:53 |
daviddelikat1 | around 75 files... | 02:54 |
+perlDreamer | Ctrl-C out of it, and do it again | 02:56 |
daviddelikat1 | I already finished it, my curiousity overcame my anoyance | 02:57 |
daviddelikat1 | I pasted the text into wc -l and found there were 61 | 02:57 |
daviddelikat1 | thats a lot of overhead for one like of text | 02:58 |
daviddelikat1 | so I guess I won't be tracking any one liners with git | 02:58 |
daviddelikat1 | I think I've fixed enough stuff for today... If nothing else I'll see folks on Wednesday at the hackathon... | 03:04 |
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+perlDreamer | SDuensin, that's a good question about caching. | 03:25 |
SDuensin | I just thought all the configs was different. Seems other systems are going the other way - more in the DB, less in text. | 03:26 |
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wgGuest12 | hi all | 04:07 |
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+perlDreamer | wgGuest06, howdy | 04:37 |
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+danny_mk | OK, upgrading from 7.6.35->7.7.17 got error: Table 'AdSku' already exists nothing in Wiki | 06:51 |
+danny_mk | clues? | 06:51 |
+danny_mk | I obviously know what the error means, however the upgrade script failed during upgrade | 06:53 |
SDuensin | I did the upgrade and didn't hit that. :-/ | 06:54 |
+danny_mk | from 7.6.35? | 06:58 |
SDuensin | yep | 07:02 |
+danny_mk | hmmm... darn | 07:02 |
+danny_mk | I have restored the entire database and directory a few times already | 07:02 |
SDuensin | :-( | 07:03 |
SDuensin | I hate when upgrades go south. | 07:03 |
+danny_mk | I am wondering if I should upgrade to a few of the beta version first. However, I am afraid I will hit the same snag | 07:04 |
* SDuensin waves wildly at preaction or perlDreamer or someone else smart. :-) | 07:06 |
* perlDreamer is here | 07:06 |
SDuensin | HAAAALLLLP! | 07:06 |
+perlDreamer | whazzup? | 07:06 |
SDuensin | [22:51] <danny_mk> OK, upgrading from 7.6.35->7.7.17 got error: Table 'AdSku' already exists nothing in Wiki | 07:06 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 07:07 |
+danny_mk | yup | 07:07 |
+perlDreamer | danny_mk, I've upgraded sites from 7.6.35 to 7.7.17 with no problems | 07:07 |
+perlDreamer | you didn't happen to manually backport anything? | 07:07 |
+danny_mk | yes | 07:07 |
+danny_mk | I have backups of everything | 07:07 |
+danny_mk | I got smart when I first started using WebGUI :-) | 07:07 |
+perlDreamer | I'd restore from backup, and then see if you have an AdSku table already | 07:08 |
+danny_mk | OK, let me check that out | 07:08 |
+perlDreamer | then isolate exactly which line in the upgrade is causing you problems | 07:08 |
+danny_mk | OK, that you have to tell me where to find | 07:08 |
+danny_mk | where in the upgrade.pl script | 07:09 |
+perlDreamer | no in upgrade.pl | 07:09 |
+danny_mk | DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table 'AdSku' already exists at ../lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 137 | 07:09 |
+danny_mk | you mean that? | 07:09 |
+perlDreamer | upgrade.pl is a driver for docs/upgrades/*.pl | 07:09 |
+danny_mk | yes, I got that | 07:09 |
+perlDreamer | we'll have to backtrack it from the upgrade output | 07:10 |
+perlDreamer | try piping that into a log file | 07:10 |
+danny_mk | OK, sequence? | 07:10 |
SDuensin | You on UNIX? | 07:11 |
+danny_mk | perl upgrade.pl --doit > pdreamer.log | 07:11 |
+danny_mk | YUP | 07:11 |
+danny_mk | not WRE | 07:11 |
SDuensin | Or "tee" it so you can watch. | 07:11 |
+danny_mk | installing from source | 07:11 |
SDuensin | perl upgrade.pl --doit | tee pdreamer.log | 07:11 |
+danny_mk | right | 07:11 |
+perlDreamer | danny_mk: sequence: 1) restore from backup (db, uploads, source tree) | 07:11 |
+perlDreamer | 2) perl upgrade.pl --doit > pdreamer.log # or whichever | 07:12 |
+perlDreamer | maybe grab STDERR, too | 07:12 |
SDuensin | perl upgrade.pl --doit &2>1 | tee pdreamer.log | 07:12 |
* SDuensin has to run. Back later | 07:13 |
* perlDreamer will be unavailable tomorrow, unless the plane has wifi | 07:13 |
+perlDreamer | I reviewed the upgrade scripts, and they're in order | 07:15 |
+perlDreamer | other possible causes | 07:15 |
+perlDreamer | 2 config files with the same database | 07:15 |
+perlDreamer | same dsn, that is | 07:16 |
+danny_mk | nope | 07:18 |
+danny_mk | alright, that table existed in the database, however it was empty so I just dropped it. Now I am doing the upgrade again | 07:21 |
+perlDreamer | in 7.6.35, it existed in the database? | 07:35 |
+danny_mk | hold on | 07:39 |
+danny_mk | darn, it was going good until it hit: Can't call method "setScratch" on an undefined value at ../lib/WebGUI/AssetTrash.pm line 312 | 07:41 |
+danny_mk | nothing in the pdreamer.log | 07:41 |
+danny_mk | the table was there because I forgot to drop the database | 07:41 |
+danny_mk | however I did everything from scratch again dropping the database and it still failed with that error (setScratch) | 07:42 |
* SDuensin is back. | 07:53 |
+danny_mk | SDuensin: Have you ever seen the error: Can't call method "setScratch" on an undefined value at ../lib/WebGUI/AssetTrash.pm line 312 | 07:58 |
SDuensin | Nope. Any of your mounted volumes full? Or close to it? | 07:58 |
+danny_mk | the other problem happened because I did not drop the database | 07:58 |
+danny_mk | anyway, on my way to another import after I dropped all the tables | 07:58 |
+danny_mk | will let you know | 07:58 |
+danny_mk | Plenty of space: / only 22% used and the WebGUI mount point has 115 gigs available | 08:03 |
SDuensin | Is /tmp ok? | 08:03 |
+danny_mk | the / file system has 75gig available | 08:04 |
+danny_mk | so /tmp has 75gig available | 08:04 |
SDuensin | Well, there goes my idea. | 08:05 |
+danny_mk | alright I am backing up to 7.6.35 and going to bed. Will have to deal with this tomorrow or some other time | 08:06 |
+danny_mk | thank you for all your help | 08:06 |
SDuensin | yw | 08:06 |
+danny_mk | night... | 08:07 |
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SDuensin | Night. | 08:07 |
+perlDreamer | I think that may be a bug, or a stale workflow or something | 08:22 |
SDuensin | Psych time! TTYL | 08:30 |
+perlDreamer | 'night | 08:50 |
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+BartJol | is it so quiet because of the silent preparation before the WUC? | 22:36 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12322 /translations/German/German/Asset_StockData.pm: Update from translation server | 22:39 |
+BartJol | cool german over 90%! | 22:48 |
+BartJol | JDan: did you solve your spectre problem? | 22:50 |
+BartJol | well, the errors it gives | 22:50 |
JDan | BartJol: Hi | 22:50 |
+BartJol | goodevening | 22:51 |
JDan | Not exactly. I know, my castomer deleted home page | 22:51 |
+BartJol | strange people, those customers | 22:52 |
JDan | I trayed login and enter to trash. I moved home page from trash and now service is active | 22:52 |
JDan | But from time to time modperl proces go to loop | 22:52 |
+BartJol | still doesn't sound good | 22:53 |
JDan | Today I have plan backup all services and start rebuildLineage.pl | 22:53 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12323 /translations/German/German/PayDriver_Ogone.pm: Update from translation server | 22:54 |
+BartJol | well, those specter errors don't sound like a lineage problem | 22:55 |
+BartJol | but if someone hinted that that might solve something, it might | 22:56 |
JDan | In my opinion there is big hole that user by deleting home page can kill www site | 22:56 |
+BartJol | well, broken lineage isn't a good thing ;P | 22:57 |
JDan | Yes | 22:57 |
+BartJol | but that errors look more like an crooked connection | 22:58 |
+BartJol | I might be repeating myself, but are those sitenames in the /etc/hosts file | 22:58 |
+BartJol | rebuildLineage still might be a good idea though | 22:59 |
JDan | At first I check rebuild lineage | 23:00 |
+BartJol | ok | 23:00 |
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+BartJol | bbs, have to reboot | 23:02 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12324 /translations/German/German/PayDriver_ITransact.pm: Update from translation server | 23:08 |
JDan | BartJol: Do you come from German? Do you translate WebGUI? I ask becouse I don't know people who use and suport project | 23:12 |
+BartJol | I translate Dutch | 23:14 |
+BartJol | (and am Dutch) | 23:14 |
JDan | I translate Polish translation. I am Pole. | 23:16 |
+BartJol | I suspected so much | 23:16 |
+BartJol | do you have questions? | 23:17 |
JDan | not now ;-) | 23:17 |
+BartJol | well, the Germans and Dutch are quite active translators, so if you do, ask | 23:18 |
+BartJol | the germans have more experience with non-english symbols though | 23:18 |
JDan | I have a lot experience with previous WebGUI version. I made a lot of extensions for my customers. But now I have to explore 7.x line. | 23:20 |
+BartJol | ah, and maybe rewrite them | 23:24 |
+BartJol | you used mainly 5.x? | 23:24 |
JDan | Yes, exactly. It is very stable and good edition. | 23:25 |
JDan | I have more then 400 sites today on it | 23:26 |
JDan | And only 5 on 7.x | 23:26 |
+BartJol | whoa, 400? | 23:26 |
JDan | Probably I am the only who use WebGUI at Poland. | 23:27 |
JDan | all arround like PHP, not Perl | 23:27 |
JDan | One of my servers is near Dutch - at Host Europe, German company | 23:28 |
+BartJol | mmm, but updating from 5 to 7 might get troublesome, especially templates will break | 23:31 |
JDan | I know. I make new sites on WebGUI 7 or migrate by hand | 23:32 |
JDan | rebuilding LineAge finished. Site is alive. I am testing it | 23:33 |
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+BartJol | and, succefull? | 00:03 |
JDan | Yes. All assets are present. Tomorrow webmaster will tidy site. | 00:05 |
JDan | modperl doesn't loop | 00:06 |
+BartJol | ah, that was default behaviour, not incidental? | 00:06 |
JDan | You mean system or client behaviour | 00:07 |
+BartJol | no whether it happens always or sometimes | 00:08 |
+BartJol | happened | 00:08 |
JDan | It's one incident | 00:08 |
JDan | till now | 00:08 |
JDan | it's was | 00:08 |
+BartJol | well, let's hope it remains that way | 00:09 |
JDan | I feel more calm | 00:09 |
+BartJol | :) | 00:09 |
+BartJol | and those spectre errors? | 00:19 |
+SynQ | good | 00:22 |
+SynQ | bart: are you catching the same train as the rest of the delft team? | 00:22 |
JDan | Sadly spectre errors are present on both my servers with WebGUI 7 | 00:22 |
+BartJol | I will SynQ | 00:25 |
+BartJol | that is 7.28 | 00:25 |
+SynQ | good | 00:26 |
+BartJol | are you coming by train or car? | 00:26 |
+SynQ | I'll see you there | 00:26 |
+SynQ | train | 00:26 |
+SynQ | I'll be in it when you get on in HS | 00:26 |
+BartJol | martin forgot to mail me at first | 00:26 |
+SynQ | ah | 00:26 |
+SynQ | gotta pack now :) | 00:26 |
+SynQ | see you tomorrow | 00:26 |
+SynQ | don't forget your passport | 00:26 |
+SynQ | :) | 00:27 |
+BartJol | ah, passport and clothing | 00:27 |
+BartJol | you have the tickets right? | 00:27 |
+SynQ | indeed | 00:27 |
+SynQ | economy + | 00:27 |
+BartJol | coolio | 00:27 |
+SynQ | no seats in front of us :) | 00:27 |
+SynQ | I'll see you tomorrow | 00:27 |
+BartJol | with a bit of luuck, I'll be able to buy you a beer on wednesday | 00:27 |
+SynQ | have a good night sleep | 00:27 |
+BartJol | I'll try | 00:27 |
+SynQ | ~ | 00:28 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12326 /translations/German/German/Asset_SQLReport.pm: Update from translation server | 02:38 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra4f93da / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_StoryTopic.pm : Forgot to include the i18n for Story Topic template label. - http://bit.ly/RuQd1 | 05:26 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2f2b870 / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.0/root_import_storymanager_storytopic.wgpkg : Put read more link into Story Topic template. - http://bit.ly/l94kh | 05:26 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r8814f16 / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_StoryTopic.pm : Forgot to include the i18n for Story Topic template label. - http://bit.ly/3ydTy | 05:26 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rcba2113 / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.0/root_import_storymanager_storytopic.wgpkg : Make readonly link only show up when not in standalone mode. - http://bit.ly/8fkHr | 05:26 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r706fc29 / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.0/root_import_storymanager_storytopic.wgpkg : Put read more link into Story Topic template. - http://bit.ly/V15k7 | 05:26 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1e98e34 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/User.pm t/User.t): RE: Profiles, public != visitor. fixes #10907 - http://bit.ly/2exf4 | 05:26 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra06dc91 / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.0/root_import_storymanager_storytopic.wgpkg : Make readonly link only show up when not in standalone mode. - http://bit.ly/12mvI4 | 05:26 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r8c6fe03 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/User.pm t/User.t): RE: Profiles, public != visitor. fixes #10907 - http://bit.ly/1iB3aI | 05:27 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, I need a little git help, if you're awake | 06:04 |
+perlDreamer | I developed some code in the wrong branch (7.7) and want to move it to 7.8 | 06:04 |
+perlDreamer | any other git type people are welcome to help, too ;) | 06:06 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rff55ab1 / (4 files in 4 dirs): For USPS priority service, add another container type. - http://bit.ly/14rz9T | 06:12 |
+perlDreamer | nm, I used diff/patch to do it | 06:20 |
+perlDreamer | still very easy | 06:20 |
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+SynQ | the journy has begun | 08:13 |
* SynQ is on the train | 08:13 |
+SynQ | ETA madison 17 hours | 08:13 |
+SynQ | flight UA909 to ORD is on schedule :) | 08:15 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * rb28452b / lib/WebGUI/Session/Form.pm : change CSRF token messages from warn to debug - http://bit.ly/41Q7oH | 08:36 |
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CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r5c8c32a / (7 files in 5 dirs): | 13:30 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: More complete testing of WGDev::Command | 13:30 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: A small API change to WGDev::Command was made to make it more consistant | 13:30 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: and more testable. get_command_module, _find_cmd_exec, and | 13:30 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: command_to_module are now methods instead of subroutines. | 13:30 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: WGDev::Command now has as close to 100% coverage as is possible. - http://bit.ly/AaRTB | 13:30 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * ra9648da / (lib/WGDev/Asset.pm t/02_WGDev-Asset.t): more complete testing of WGDev::Asset - http://bit.ly/17k0I5 | 13:30 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r9b2c8cb / lib/WGDev/Command/Edit.pm : fix typo in edit docs - http://bit.ly/3u4BY | 13:30 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * re2d29ff / Build.PL : add test prerequisites and resources metadata to Build.PL - http://bit.ly/OmpNK | 13:30 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12327 /translations/German/German/Asset_SQLReport.pm: Update from translation server | 13:40 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12328 /translations/German/German/AuthLDAP.pm: Update from translation server | 13:58 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12330 /translations/German/German/Asset_Survey.pm: Update from translation server | 14:54 |
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ekennedy | Is there a way to delete all instances of a recurring calendar entry in the calendar wobject or do you need to delete each instance? Thanks. | 16:34 |
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JDan | ekennedy: I looked at Callendar source and I have not seen prepared function. But it's possible by using WebGUI::Search($session) and adequate rules. | 17:11 |
ekennedy | Thanks I had looked at the code too and didn't see anything. I will look at the search mechanism to see if I can use that. Otherwise I'm in the process of writing a WWW:Mechanize script to remove the items. | 17:14 |
JDan | Look at www_search in WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Calendar | 17:16 |
JDan | It's perfect code for to build up | 17:17 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12334 /translations/German/German/Asset_StoryArchive.pm: Update from translation server | 18:59 |
KlausH | Asset_StockData "isVisitor": "Whether or not the current user is a visitor. This returns true if the users is authenticated against the system". This seems logical not correct. If user is NOT visitor then isVisitor is true.... | 19:20 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb319e7f / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix an i18n typo in the ProjectManager. - http://bit.ly/W0eBN | 22:23 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * r3b5ae7a / t/Macro.t : add another quoting edge case to macro tests - http://bit.ly/gbJxd | 22:23 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r8e5b74a / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix an i18n typo in StockData. - http://bit.ly/HcPfZ | 22:23 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r3db6dcd / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix an i18n typo in the ProjectManager. - http://bit.ly/1v9pEF | 22:23 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb2bc8c9 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix bad i18n and help for Story Manager form errors. - http://bit.ly/GA1at | 22:44 |
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Gso125 | anyone know why awstats will show only in the servers browser and not from any othe computer | 23:07 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4fec772 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixing more i18n typos in ProjectManager 10923, 10925. - http://bit.ly/S2sSk | 01:39 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r271c33c / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.0/root_import_storymanager_storytopic.wgpkg : Fix a template typo in the StoryTopic. - http://bit.ly/2BYM5U | 01:39 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rf97f732 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixing more i18n typos in ProjectManager 10923, 10925. - http://bit.ly/G0e4d | 01:39 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re642c1c / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.0/root_import_storymanager_storytopic.wgpkg : Fix a template typo in the StoryTopic. - http://bit.ly/LtYP2 | 01:40 |
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perigrin | stupid question but can I have a chained child action that takes a regex? | 03:42 |
@preaction | er... is this a webgui thing? | 03:42 |
perigrin | no this is an 'off by one' thing on my irc list | 03:42 |
perigrin | you're *right* next to #catalyst :) | 03:42 |
* SDuensin doesn't even understand the question. | 03:42 |
SDuensin | Hehehe | 03:42 |
perigrin | SDuensin: I'm not sure I do either ... that's the problme :) | 03:44 |
perigrin | er problem | 03:44 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12336 /translations/German/German/Asset_ProjectManager.pm: Update from translation server | 03:57 |
KlausH | Done! 100% :-) | 03:57 |
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+SynQ | morning has broken | 15:38 |
+BartJol | aah, it's 14:45, we missed breakfast | 15:46 |
* mducharme1 yawns | 15:46 |
+SynQ | we missed breakfast? | 15:46 |
+SynQ | it's 7:50 man | 15:47 |
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+BartJol | timezones... | 15:48 |
+BartJol | I thought I put in an RFE to eleminate timezones | 15:48 |
+BartJol | preaction: I brought you: beer | 15:49 |
+BartJol | but unfortunately it aren't the best you can find, I was stuck with what I could find on the airport | 15:50 |
* BartJol is off for morning stuff | 15:52 |
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SquOnk | Hello people. | 17:15 |
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+perlDreamer | patspam: port 7000 isn't blocked | 17:47 |
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+patspam | perlDreamer++ | 17:58 |
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@Haarg | finally got around to rebasing all my past git branches onto the new repo. so now i have 14 feature branches to either eliminate or update for 7.8/8.0. | 18:15 |
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+perlDreamer | 14? | 18:28 |
+perlDreamer | wow | 18:28 |
@preaction | yeah, i'm surprised it's so low | 18:28 |
@Haarg | i already removed a few :) | 18:31 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r957eaa4 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Change the i18n label for Help, to be Template Help since that's what it is. - http://bit.ly/X6Fdc | 18:36 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2e99203 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Change the i18n label for Help, to be Template Help since that's what it is. - http://bit.ly/3Wn8K | 18:36 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * rb78d9f8 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix #10928 EMS print ticket not processed for TZ - http://bit.ly/uo8j2 | 18:59 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rb838102 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix #10928 EMS print ticket not processed for TZ - http://bit.ly/Sydd | 18:59 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * rb8127ba / (4 files in 3 dirs): | 19:07 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Revert "When opening or duplicating Session objects, pass on any Apache2::Request object" | 19:07 |
CIA-53 | webgui: This reverts commit ed97fa1ecd06d0ccf3b5a36c5a5072c0de2db8fd. - http://bit.ly/46fYn | 19:07 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * rb0845ba / (4 files in 3 dirs): | 19:08 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Revert "When opening or duplicating Session objects, pass on any Apache2::Request object" | 19:08 |
CIA-53 | webgui: This reverts commit ed97fa1ecd06d0ccf3b5a36c5a5072c0de2db8fd. - http://bit.ly/aIObZ | 19:08 |
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@preaction | isn't there a known bug in the 7.7.19 upgrade? | 20:00 |
@Haarg | yes | 20:15 |
@Haarg | if you mean from 7.6 at least | 20:15 |
@preaction | yeah | 20:19 |
+perlDreamer | with templates | 20:22 |
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+perlDreamer | patspam: shared hosting blog posting - http://blog.johngoulah.com/2009/09/deploying-a-catalyst-app-on-private-hosting/ | 21:51 |
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SquOnk | Greetings | 02:05 |
SquOnk | Question: Who did the first Spanish translation? | 02:06 |
@Haarg | anyone here use something other than firefox or safari as their primary browser? | 02:12 |
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SquOnk | Haarg: Epiphany, sometimes. | 02:23 |
+BartJol | preaction: are you coming by at JT's place? I could chill the Dutch beers | 02:28 |
@Haarg | who all is over there? | 02:29 |
SquOnk | Man... dutch beer. | 02:29 |
SquOnk | What beer have you got there? | 02:29 |
+BartJol | JT, jamie, colin, sarah and metroman | 02:30 |
+BartJol | SquOnk: 1 homebrewed and 3 dubious beers from the airport | 02:30 |
SquOnk | BartJol: lol @ dubious | 02:31 |
SquOnk | BartJol: "No-brand beer" | 02:31 |
+BartJol | right | 02:31 |
+BartJol | well, it's called Amsterdam | 02:32 |
SquOnk | Bleh, never heard of it. | 02:32 |
+BartJol | me neither :) | 02:32 |
SquOnk | Hertog Jan Grand Prestige was one of my favorites. | 02:32 |
SquOnk | Leeuw Dortmunder | 02:32 |
SquOnk | 't Ij Columbus was the usual for me | 02:33 |
+BartJol | well I planned to get some better ones, but I was distracting by remodelling my house | 02:33 |
+BartJol | usual,...mmm | 02:33 |
+BartJol | well, it's spotted cow for me now | 02:33 |
+BartJol | :) | 02:33 |
SquOnk | BartJol: Although I developed a taste for Leffe Blonde, Duvel and Palm. | 02:34 |
SquOnk | BartJol: I still have my (almost all checked out) Bierkaart from "De Wildeman" | 02:35 |
SquOnk | Kolksteeg 3, A'dam | 02:35 |
+BartJol | well, I should check that one | 02:35 |
+BartJol | I mostly like steenbrugge tripel | 02:35 |
SquOnk | You'd find me there mon-fri after 8pm 'til 10pm | 02:35 |
+BartJol | but not anymore, right? | 02:36 |
SquOnk | BartJol: Sadly, no. | 02:36 |
SquOnk | BartJol: I stopped going to the Netherlands in 2000 | 02:36 |
+BartJol | preaction: are you in Madison? | 02:36 |
+BartJol | JT tells you to answer | 02:36 |
SquOnk | BartJol: We only have pilseners in Venezuela. | 02:37 |
SquOnk | BartJol: And not that good anymore. | 02:37 |
+BartJol | well, start an import company | 02:37 |
SquOnk | BartJol: They've started adding rice, corn and other starchs to the wheat... | 02:38 |
+BartJol | bad people | 02:38 |
SquOnk | BartJol: ...ah, importing beer is a no go with the exchange restrictions. | 02:38 |
+BartJol | darn | 02:38 |
+BartJol | well, illegaly it might even make you more money | 02:38 |
SquOnk | BartJol: There was a time when venezuelan export beer was lousy compared to what we had here, nowadays it's the other way around. | 02:39 |
+BartJol | I have to stir JT's dinner | 02:39 |
* SquOnk working in the Spanish translation | 02:40 |
+BartJol | yes, more tranlating is good | 02:41 |
+BartJol | german is complete too! | 02:41 |
SquOnk | I'm taking one Asset at a time depending on what this customer is using, so expect Navigation, Collaboration Systems and Syndicated Content to be translated tonight. | 02:41 |
SquOnk | The Venezuelan Ministry for Economy and Finances is going live with WebGUI 7.6 next monday. | 02:42 |
SquOnk | And I'm working on getting a Success Story ;-) | 02:42 |
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SquOnk | Also, the Venezuelan Linux User's Group is going live with WebGUI whenever I have time to set that up... | 02:43 |
SquOnk | ...and you can get an interview with me anytime regarding that ;-) | 02:43 |
+BartJol | SquOnk: whoa, that is quite some work | 02:46 |
SquOnk | BartJol: MPPEF yes, VELUG not really :-) | 02:48 |
+BartJol | for the pbwg? | 02:48 |
+BartJol | eeh, I miss some abrreviations | 02:49 |
SquOnk | MPPEF is the Ministry for Economy and Finances. That was some work. | 02:50 |
SquOnk | VELUG is the Venezuelan LUG. That was a simple decree :-) | 02:51 |
* SquOnk is appointed BOFH sysadm for VELUG's resources | 02:51 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r0aaeedd / ex/Command.pm : make example command more consistant with pod for arguments - http://bit.ly/wNyFd | 02:55 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r26db661 / (.gitignore MANIFEST.SKIP): Update for MYMETA.yml support - http://bit.ly/LY9p2 | 02:55 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * rf4cda42 / lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm : more consistant messages in reset command - http://bit.ly/4czbX | 02:55 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r782c455 / (.stop_words.txt lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm): | 02:55 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: add --autologon option to reset command | 02:55 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: With the --autologon option specified, it will try find active session | 02:55 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: IDs in your browsers' cookies and create sessions on the site for them. | 02:55 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: The sessions will be logged in as Admin and have admin mode enabled. - http://bit.ly/JB4WM | 02:56 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction: ping | 03:06 |
+BartJol | hey! | 03:06 |
+perlDreamer | BartJol! | 03:06 |
+perlDreamer | I haven't seen you online all week | 03:06 |
+perlDreamer | Where have you been? | 03:06 |
+BartJol | luckily we don't have to talk face to face | 03:06 |
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SquOnk | Does {#advanced_dlg.image_title} showing in the Image Dialog rings a bell? | 03:43 |
+perlDreamer | nope | 03:43 |
SquOnk | This happens when using the Spanish translation... | 03:43 |
SquOnk | ...but where to translate? | 03:43 |
+perlDreamer | SquOnk, I need some more hints. What is the "Image Dialog"? | 03:49 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Article, place an image, bring the dialog to tweak image properties. There. | 03:50 |
@Haarg | that's in the tinymce code | 03:50 |
@Haarg | we don't have a direct way to translate that | 03:50 |
SquOnk | Haarg: I see. | 03:50 |
@Haarg | the files can be translated, and it can be stuck in the source tree | 03:51 |
@Haarg | but ideally it would fallback to english | 03:51 |
+perlDreamer | there's an RFE to add that | 03:51 |
+perlDreamer | add translations of JS files | 03:51 |
SquOnk | Haarg: That was my next question, fallback. | 03:51 |
@Haarg | www/extras/tinymce-webgui/plugins/wginsertimage/langs | 03:51 |
@Haarg | the processing of that is handled by tinymce so adding fallback would likely by hard or impossible | 03:53 |
SquOnk | Haarg: So, the problem is TinyMCE's lack of translation or inability to fallback to english? | 03:53 |
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@Haarg | roughly, yes | 04:04 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1671aef / (t/Form/DynamicField.t t/lib/WebGUI/Form/FormTest.pm): Write a test that says that loading Form plugins from a place other than /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI works. - http://bit.ly/KZg0L | 04:06 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5cb3a6e / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.19-7.8.0.pl : Add default values to the Matrix to newly added columns. bug #10889 - http://bit.ly/15qRs | 04:06 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rd74226b / (t/Form/DynamicField.t t/lib/WebGUI/Form/FormTest.pm): Write a test that says that loading Form plugins from a place other than /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI works. - http://bit.ly/373usV | 04:06 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r54ef56d / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.19-7.7.20.pl : Add default values to the Matrix to newly added columns. bug #10889 - http://bit.ly/1LDnHI | 04:06 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r2cf67ec / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm): fixed #10889: Old Matrixs break for Admin users - http://bit.ly/o0CaY | 04:07 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * r2f23efc / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm): fixed #10889: Old Matrixs break for Admin users - http://bit.ly/ZN677 | 04:08 |
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@khenn | anyone on? | 04:21 |
@Haarg | kind of | 04:23 |
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@preaction | sort of | 04:24 |
@khenn | do you know what time the hackathon starts tomorrow? | 04:24 |
@khenn | I can't find it online | 04:25 |
@khenn | nm | 04:25 |
@khenn | wiki | 04:25 |
@preaction | 9am | 04:25 |
+perlDreamer | I thought it was 7:00am | 04:47 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2948e68 / (4 files in 4 dirs): | 07:15 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Fix 10939, commit with approval breaks on assets with autocommit children, Post, Story, Wiki, Event, etc. | 07:15 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Encapsulate a new method to get a fresh asset from the db. With tests. - http://bit.ly/J6Xx7 | 07:15 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r947b91a / (4 files in 4 dirs): | 07:15 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Fix 10939, commit with approval breaks on assets with autocommit children, Post, Story, Wiki, Event, etc. | 07:15 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Encapsulate a new method to get a fresh asset from the db. With tests. - http://bit.ly/zb11b | 07:15 |
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SquOnk | All right, Spanish translation up to 58% | 07:27 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12337 /translations/German/German/ (AdSpace.pm Auth.pm TaxDriver_EU.pm): Update from translation server | 08:28 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12338 /translations/German/German/ (AuthWebGUI.pm Invite.pm): Update from translation server | 09:09 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12339 /translations/German/German/Asset_MessageBoard.pm: Update from translation server | 09:09 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12340 /translations/German/German/Friends.pm: Update from translation server | 09:09 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12341 /translations/German/German/Account_Friends.pm: Update from translation server | 09:09 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * rf6be074 / (2 files in 2 dirs): use consistant messages for WEBGUI_LIVE tests - http://bit.ly/kXUeG | 09:17 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r9f2db43 / (lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm t/Workflow/Instance.t): prevent Workflow from trying to run an activity if it didn't get an object - http://bit.ly/1mOilh | 09:17 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * r76164da / (2 files in 2 dirs): use consistant messages for WEBGUI_LIVE tests - http://bit.ly/3Et7Sw | 09:17 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * r0809b21 / (lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm t/Workflow/Instance.t): prevent Workflow from trying to run an activity if it didn't get an object - http://bit.ly/13K5e7 | 09:17 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12342 /translations/German/German/AuthWebGUI.pm: Update from translation server | 11:19 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12343 /translations/German/German/Asset_AdSku.pm: Update from translation server | 11:19 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12344 /translations/German/German/AdSpace.pm: Update from translation server | 11:19 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12345 /translations/German/German/Asset_Shelf.pm: Update from translation server | 11:19 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12346 /translations/BrazilianPortuguese/ (.tar.gz BrazilianPortuguese/AdSpace.pm): Update from translation server | 12:27 |
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SquOnk | Greetings | 16:19 |
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wgGuest48 | can i han two differents version of WebGUI in the same server? | 16:36 |
SquOnk | wgGuest48: Yes. Have two virtual servers with different names. | 16:38 |
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+patspam | http://www.webgui.org/design/wiki/template-best-practices | 17:27 |
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+perlmonkey2 | Hey patspam congrats on the release. The site looks really good. I checked out the survey but never got around to writing anything (didn't see anything wrong). | 17:33 |
+patspam | thanks man! | 17:34 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9ec062d / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/VersionTag.pm): Usability improvement for the edit version tag screen. rfe #10862 - http://bit.ly/2Mq8Z | 17:34 |
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daviddelikat | any body at the hack-a-thon yet? | 17:48 |
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preaction_ | HAPPY WUC HACKATHON DAY | 17:49 |
SquOnk | Yay | 17:50 |
* SquOnk is not there | 17:50 |
SquOnk | I'm working on the spanish translation though. | 17:50 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc189c69 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Read preload.custom for extra lib paths in tests. - http://bit.ly/9mWqQ | 19:44 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rd7ca3df / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Read preload.custom for extra lib paths in tests. - http://bit.ly/3JxTQ | 19:44 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r237af9f / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix JS form issues with ThingyRecord. bug #10943 - http://bit.ly/2PBkZU | 19:44 |
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+SynQ | connection reset by peer pressure | 19:46 |
+SynQ | YLMV, your lineage may vary | 19:46 |
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+SynQ | The results or 'fruits' of actions are called karma-phala. | 19:51 |
+SynQ | some traditions believe that God plays some kind of role, for example, as the dispenser of the fruits of karmaor as exercising the option to change one's karma in rare instances. | 19:53 |
+SynQ | However, according to Jainism, neither the God nor the Guru have any role in a person's Karma. A person himself is the sole doer and enjoyer of his karmas and their fruits. | 19:54 |
+SynQ | I'll go for that | 19:54 |
preaction_ | i was under the impression that all karma is bad | 19:55 |
preaction_ | karma is the result of badness, karma causes karmic rebirth | 19:55 |
preaction_ | the goal should be to transcend karmic rebirth (enlightenment) | 19:55 |
+SynQ | that would mean that karma is not something you can 'spend' | 19:57 |
+SynQ | but if you cannot 'spend' it, it's not usable as a voting 'money' for the RFE list | 19:58 |
+SynQ | perhaps instead of 'spending' the karma it could give some kind of weight for your 'vote' on the rfe list, based on the amount of karma one has | 20:01 |
mducharme-work | 7.7.20 coming today? | 20:01 |
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+SynQ | that would mean that the more you do for the community, the more your voice counts in the 'what RFE should be done first' list | 20:04 |
+SynQ | of course if karma has to 'work' anything you do for the community should (automatically) generate more karma | 20:07 |
+SynQ | so translating | 20:07 |
+SynQ | adding to the wiki | 20:07 |
preaction_ | mducharme-work: no, we currently do not have a tool to release from a Git repo, due to some unforseen setbacks | 20:07 |
preaction_ | yell at Haarg, it's his pidgin | 20:09 |
mducharme-work | uh oh | 20:09 |
+SynQ | but 'fixing' the wiki and the translation and all takes work | 20:10 |
+SynQ | would that be 'a lot of work' or 'some simple work'? | 20:11 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * re6f38dc / (t/Workflow/Activity/GetCsMail.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): add new API for mocking assets in tests - http://bit.ly/MzJcX | 20:14 |
+SynQ | actually | 20:18 |
+SynQ | it doesn't matter if it's a lot of work or some work | 20:18 |
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+SynQ | I just love a good monologue :P | 20:34 |
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ckotil | http://pastebin.com/m16f7add7 im missing these lines of JS in the html header. any idea why? | 21:54 |
+SynQ | bopbopbopbopbop | 21:58 |
+SynQ | where are you? | 21:58 |
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@bopbop | hi SynQ | 22:03 |
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+SynQ | bopbop: are you around? | 22:09 |
@bopbop | SynQ: by around, do you mean on IRC, or in the Concourse? | 22:09 |
@bopbop | cuz, I'm not in Madison | 22:10 |
+SynQ | ah | 22:10 |
+SynQ | I mean in Madison | 22:10 |
@bopbop | oh, nope- not until tomorrow | 22:10 |
+SynQ | too bad | 22:10 |
@bopbop | :( | 22:10 |
+SynQ | I'll look forward to tomorrow then :) | 22:11 |
@bopbop | Ryan is coming for set up, he's stronger than me | 22:11 |
+SynQ | and balder | 22:11 |
@bopbop | yes | 22:11 |
@bopbop | I figured I should send brawn (over brains) | 22:11 |
+SynQ | haha | 22:11 |
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+SynQ | crazy horses! | 23:42 |
preaction_ | MY RAIN WILL FALL LIKE CRAZY FINGERS | 23:49 |
SquOnk | The cake is a lie? | 23:49 |
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+patspam | it's so quiet in here.. | 23:59 |
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SDuensin | Good lord. I think I'm just going to hide in the basement and watch Hulu all night. | 00:22 |
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+SynQ | http://www.webgui.nl/leden/downloads | 00:28 |
+SynQ | for my man preaction_ | 00:28 |
SquOnk | Spanish 63.8% | 00:36 |
preaction_ | nice | 00:36 |
preaction_ | it's catching up to German and Dutch | 00:37 |
+SynQ | :) | 00:38 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Colin Kuskie master * rca8a62b / lib/WGDev/Command/Version.pm : Add the dist command, outputting version and status formatted nicely. - http://bit.ly/2m3Hoi | 00:50 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Colin Kuskie master * r005e56e / lib/WGDev/Command/Dist.pm : Allow dist to put files in a remote, build directory. - http://bit.ly/3fS6ES | 00:50 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r0697673 / (15 files in 10 dirs): added Subscribable AssetAspect to Wiki - http://bit.ly/1J8mZ0 | 01:27 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r65120a6 / (21 files in 17 dirs): | 01:27 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui | 01:27 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Conflicts: | 01:27 |
CIA-53 | webgui: docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt | 01:27 |
CIA-53 | webgui: docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.19-7.8.0.pl - http://bit.ly/2CZe29 | 01:27 |
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SquOnk | Spanish 66% | 04:45 |
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+SynQ | morning | 14:52 |
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+SynQ | it geat on | 16:30 |
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+perlDreamer | good morning everyone | 16:36 |
+perlDreamer | welcome to the IRC simulcast of the WUC 2009 keynote | 16:36 |
+perlDreamer | Thanks to SwiftySite for helping to sponsor the WUC this year | 16:38 |
+perlDreamer | if you haven't ever checked it out, you can find it at alphamegahosting.com | 16:38 |
+perlDreamer | it's in Dutch | 16:38 |
+perlDreamer | but very cool | 16:38 |
+perlDreamer | Time for Contributor of the Year award | 16:39 |
+patspam | can you simulcast in dutch as well? | 16:39 |
+perlDreamer | Neeh | 16:40 |
+perlDreamer | The nominations are Procolix, Oqapi, Pluton, SwiftySite, Knowmad, United Knowledge, SDH Consulting and perlDreamer Consulting | 16:40 |
+perlDreamer | and the winner is SDH Consultinng | 16:42 |
+perlDreamer | that would be patspam, and andyio | 16:43 |
+perlDreamer | A special T-Shirt is available honoring Koen De Jonge for his many contributions to WebGUI and the community | 16:47 |
+perlDreamer | I'll try to post a picture of it later today | 16:47 |
+perlDreamer | Time for the Community Award | 16:47 |
+perlDreamer | the nominees are: | 16:47 |
+perlDreamer | Bernd and Klaus, for translating WebGUI into German | 16:47 |
+perlDreamer | that translation is now at 100%, making german the 2nd fully translated language | 16:48 |
+perlDreamer | Ernesto (SquOnk), for his huge work in getting WebGUI in Debian | 16:48 |
+perlDreamer | Wes Morgan (cap10morgan) for community involvement and supporting WebGUI | 16:48 |
+perlDreamer | The Template Working Group, who made the beautiful new default templates in WebGUI 7.7 | 16:48 |
+perlDreamer | Graham Knopp (Haarg), for building WGDev | 16:49 |
+perlDreamer | Lauralyn Ninow (elnino) for bug reporting, wiki pages, and helping out in IRC | 16:49 |
+perlDreamer | and the winner is.... | 16:50 |
+perlDreamer | elnino! | 16:50 |
+SynQ | yay! | 16:50 |
+SynQ | she has a really beautiful baby | 16:50 |
+patspam | congrats elnino! | 16:51 |
+perlDreamer | time for the wG status report | 16:51 |
+perlDreamer | the last year was really huge | 16:51 |
+SynQ | list of 15 by 3 on the screen | 16:51 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI 8 | 16:51 |
+perlDreamer | "Changing gears" | 16:52 |
+SynQ | "Change is coming" | 16:52 |
+SynQ | don't be afraid | 16:53 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI 8 is the first major release which will be outside of the 5-year API compatibility guarantee | 16:53 |
+perlDreamer | Performance and Robustness and the two big goals for WebGUI 8 | 16:53 |
+perlDreamer | "I want people to be able to run Facebook with WebGUI" | 16:53 |
+SynQ | we are going from enterprise grade to carrier grade | 16:54 |
+perlDreamer | If it's fast, and if it's robust, then it's usable, which is good for everyone | 16:54 |
+perlDreamer | There will be a new Admin Console in WebGUI 8 that's driven by Ajax, which means no more page reloads for editing a page. | 16:55 |
+perlDreamer | Note, JT's blog post on TBB about this will have nice pictures and more details | 16:55 |
+perlDreamer | The Asset Icon tool bar is replaced by a dropdown Options menu | 16:56 |
+perlDreamer | (note, this saves fetching graphics and makes translating easier) | 16:56 |
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+patspam | (we apologise for this momentary pause, colin appears to be fixing a wg bug) | 17:05 |
+perlDreamer | indeed! | 17:07 |
+perlDreamer | I'm more of a hacker than reporter | 17:07 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI 8 timeline will take... 18 months in development | 17:08 |
+perlDreamer | check the developer Forum for announcements, specifications | 17:08 |
+perlDreamer | discussions should take place there | 17:08 |
+perlDreamer | What happens until then? | 17:08 |
+perlDreamer | Until WebGUI 8, there will be community driver releases, 7.8, 7.9, 7.10 | 17:09 |
+perlDreamer | "community driven releases" | 17:09 |
+perlDreamer | Plain Black won't be introducing new features in those releases | 17:09 |
+perlDreamer | they'll still do RFE days, but the community will making all new features | 17:09 |
+perlDreamer | now it's a Q&A time about all this | 17:10 |
+perlDreamer | I'd be happy to relay questions | 17:10 |
+perlDreamer | A question about authentication | 17:10 |
+perlDreamer | in 8, Authentication will be completely rewritten | 17:11 |
+perlDreamer | and it will come with WebGUI authentication, LDAP, OpenID, and Facebook (which I think is just another OpenID provider) | 17:11 |
+perlDreamer | It will also come with Single Sign On between WebGUI sites | 17:12 |
+perlDreamer | so you can deploy WebGUI on multiple sites and your users will only have to register on 1 site to have access to them all | 17:12 |
+perlDreamer | Are there plans to add a DAV plugin in WebGUI before version 8? | 17:13 |
+perlDreamer | "If someone has the time to finish the work that has been started, it can go into WebGUI 7" | 17:14 |
+perlDreamer | note, WebGUI 7.8 is currently not frozen, so it's open to new features | 17:14 |
+perlDreamer | This DAV plugin will allow you to mount your WebGUI site as a shared drive. | 17:14 |
+perlDreamer | so you can edit templates on your desktop | 17:14 |
+perlDreamer | you can upload files via drag and drop | 17:15 |
+perlDreamer | JT estimates 3-4 weeks of developer time, and a few weeks of templating work as well. | 17:15 |
ckotil | yeah, that would be saweet. | 17:16 |
+perlDreamer | The spec is done, some prototype code is done, we just need someone with time and desire to get it done | 17:16 |
+perlDreamer | "What are the plans for the Collaboration System"? | 17:16 |
+perlDreamer | The CS is too powerful and too generic for many cases. It's also slow and hard to use for many cases. | 17:16 |
+perlDreamer | Over the last couple of years, specific things have been developed to do CS-type things better | 17:17 |
+perlDreamer | Wiki, Gallery, Story Manager, and the new "Blog" asset which is in development. | 17:17 |
+perlDreamer | "What about Thingy?" | 17:18 |
+patspam | everyone should write their IRC names on their name badges :) | 17:19 |
+perlDreamer | Thingy has a long roadmap, and is currently on step 2 of 8 that are planned. | 17:19 |
ckotil | nice. | 17:19 |
+perlDreamer | note, by design and intent, WebGUI 8 will not be like WebGUI 6 | 17:20 |
+perlDreamer | thanks again to SwiftySite for sponsoring the conference | 17:20 |
+SynQ | I just wrote my irc name on my badge | 17:21 |
+perlDreamer | me, too | 17:21 |
ckotil | I coudlnt make it to WUC. but i just so happen teaching a webgui class to some of my users today. | 17:21 |
+SynQ | ckotil: you must be the 1 person decrease JT was just talking about | 17:22 |
+patspam | queue dance party mucis | 17:22 |
+patspam | s/mucis/music/ | 17:22 |
ckotil | heh. nah, i've never made it to one. | 17:22 |
ckotil | never had the balls to ask my boss to pay for it | 17:22 |
* SynQ mubles, silver gray hair :) | 17:24 |
+SynQ | the wrath of /me >:) | 17:24 |
+perlDreamer | Grey hair is the crown of the wise. | 17:25 |
+SynQ | in reality I only have a small patch at the back of my head | 17:27 |
+SynQ | I need to get more offspring to grow that | 17:28 |
+perlDreamer | I hear that beards are a great way to display silver gray hair. | 17:28 |
+SynQ | hehe | 17:28 |
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preaction_ | wow, these internet connections are much nicer | 18:01 |
+perlDreamer | yes, and there are 5 of them! | 18:01 |
+perlDreamer | we'll have to let the conference people know how much better it is | 18:01 |
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+SynQ | I like it too, working internet is very important | 18:11 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rbd02a8c / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Remove debug code. - http://bit.ly/2aDVXS | 18:23 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re1c5d4a / (3 files in 3 dirs): Check for additional bad user profile field names. bug #10941 - http://bit.ly/4oS8XO | 18:23 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rea9e154 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix import Story Archive packages with sub-stories. - http://bit.ly/fCNM2 | 18:23 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r632e1e1 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Remove debug code. - http://bit.ly/3LSz3L | 18:33 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf5b2b6d / (3 files in 3 dirs): Check for additional bad user profile field names. bug #10941 - http://bit.ly/tdDEj | 18:33 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r021b7f8 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix import Story Archive packages with sub-stories. - http://bit.ly/Asnzc | 18:33 |
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+patspam | SynQ: I just implemented a wgd plugin that checks that the config file has valid json | 19:12 |
+patspam | Haarg: ping | 19:13 |
@Haarg | pong | 19:14 |
+patspam | if your site.conf has invalid json, something like "wgd ls" will swallow the error and report asset not found | 19:14 |
+patspam | when it lazy loads the session | 19:14 |
@Haarg | hmm | 19:15 |
@Haarg | can you post that on the issue tracker? | 19:15 |
+patspam | sure | 19:15 |
@Haarg | and how are you specifying the config file? | 19:15 |
+patspam | WEBGUI_CONFIG | 19:18 |
+patspam | environment variable | 19:18 |
+SynQ | patspam: good news | 19:18 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: is smoke up and running? I was wondering if I could peek at a coverage report from it. | 19:26 |
+patspam | jumploader.com | 19:26 |
+SynQ | JumpLoader is free. | 19:27 |
+patspam | "free" but you can't reverse engineer | 19:27 |
+patspam | or alter | 19:27 |
+patspam | and i think you have to pay to remove the logo | 19:27 |
+patspam | No logo version - $100 | 19:27 |
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+perlDreamer | and it's Java | 19:27 |
+patspam | Enterprise version (source code) $400 | 19:27 |
+patspam | yeah, jaaa vaa | 19:28 |
+SynQ | uh huh | 19:28 |
+patspam | perlDreamer loves java | 19:28 |
+SynQ | there must be something that is opensource and works | 19:28 |
+perlDreamer | You do not like the current uploader? | 19:28 |
+SynQ | you mean just the form? | 19:29 |
+patspam | the wordpress image upload user interface isn't too bad | 19:30 |
preaction_ | perlDreamer: smoke can't do coverage, not enough RAM | 19:31 |
+patspam | SynQ: swfupload is the most common flash-based open source multi-file uploader | 19:32 |
+patspam | but it doesn't have the image interface | 19:32 |
+SynQ | ah | 19:36 |
+SynQ | patspam: do you use that anywhere? | 19:36 |
+patspam | swfupload? | 19:41 |
+SynQ | uh huh | 19:45 |
+patspam | no | 19:45 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rcf9df28 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.19-7.8.0.pl : Fix import Story Archive packages with sub-stories. - http://bit.ly/mOgeP | 19:45 |
+SynQ | perhaps we could look into that | 19:45 |
+SynQ | for wg8 | 19:46 |
+perlDreamer | does it require flash, like the name implies? | 19:46 |
+patspam | yup | 19:46 |
+perlDreamer | does it meet the usability requirements that we've been hearing about? | 19:46 |
+patspam | usability = fast? | 19:47 |
+patspam | =p | 19:47 |
+SynQ | perlDreamer is our consience here | 19:47 |
+perlDreamer | usability == snazzy :) | 19:47 |
+patspam | I haven't used it on a site of my own so I can't really comment | 19:48 |
+perlDreamer | I figure that since I'm older than everybody it's my responsibility to be responsible. | 19:48 |
+SynQ | battery low | 19:48 |
+SynQ | gotta go | 19:48 |
+patspam | more coffee | 19:48 |
+patspam | perlDreamer: maybe we can replace mysql with KiokuDB in wg8 | 19:50 |
+perlDreamer | KiokuDB is the non relational db? | 19:51 |
* perlDreamer needs to wikipedia that | 19:51 |
+patspam | moose-based object graph storage engine | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | persistent objects... | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 19:52 |
+BartJol | oh, will WG8 be companied by a new wre, sounds like that will be necessary | 19:53 |
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+patspam | i hope so | 19:54 |
preaction_ | yes, since memcached will be required | 19:54 |
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SquOnk | Greetings. | 20:35 |
SquOnk | Question. | 20:35 |
SquOnk | Do <tmpl_if name="__first__"> (or __last__ or _odd_, etc.) work as expected? | 20:36 |
SquOnk | (In WebGUI templates, I mean) | 20:36 |
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SquOnk | Ideas anyone? | 20:43 |
JDan | SquOnk: These variables come from HTML::Template | 20:44 |
JDan | So answare is : Yes | 20:44 |
SquOnk | JDan: Good | 20:44 |
SquOnk | There's another weird request I have... | 20:44 |
SquOnk | ...one usually places ^L() on the main style so the login/logout appears everywhere. | 20:45 |
SquOnk | The owner of a particular site already has created a separate page for login. | 20:45 |
SquOnk | And she wants the ^L() macro to work only for logged in sessions. That way, the "logout" link would appear only for logged in sessions. | 20:46 |
SquOnk | So I'm guessing an "if logged" wrapping ^L() will do the trick. | 20:46 |
JDan | I understand. just moment. | 20:46 |
SquOnk | Question is: How do I check for a logged user from> | 20:47 |
JDan | I look at my works | 20:47 |
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SquOnk | There's probably a variable for that, but I can't seem to find it. | 20:48 |
KlausH | ^GroupText("Registered Users","<a href='?op=auth;method=logout'>Logout</a>"); | 20:49 |
SquOnk | KlausH: What does that do? | 20:49 |
SquOnk | KlausH: Ah! Thanks! | 20:51 |
KlausH | this example of grouptext macro displays to all members of group "Registerd Users" the second part which is the link to log out . | 20:51 |
SquOnk | KlausH: Just figured it out. Thank you! | 20:51 |
SquOnk | KlausH: That would work, sure. | 20:53 |
KlausH | on most sites I also use a separate login page with no link to. You can add the AdminToggle() Macro to the page style, then you have admin on/off on each page. will display only when logged in | 20:54 |
SquOnk | KlausH: That's the idea. | 20:54 |
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SquOnk | Aside from that solution, is there a variable to find out if the current session belongs to a registered user? | 20:54 |
JDan | My solution is another. I use template for ^L and inside template I use <tmpl_if user.isVisitor> | 20:54 |
SquOnk | Just to have the <tmpl_if registered>^L();</tmpl_if> | 20:55 |
SquOnk | JDan: Ah, just answered my question :-) | 20:55 |
JDan | In my opinion is more flexible for webmastering | 20:55 |
SquOnk | JDan: So you change ^L's template, right? You leave ^L in the Style Template. | 21:01 |
+BartJol | that is a good option | 21:01 |
SquOnk | BartJol: Is there a way to find that out _outside_ of ^L()'s template. | 21:02 |
+BartJol | works better than the grouptext macro | 21:02 |
JDan | Yes. I make special template for ^L | 21:02 |
+BartJol | well, not as far as I know | 21:02 |
+BartJol | because the visitor is a legitimate user | 21:02 |
JDan | The better way is collecting templates at one folder for each style | 21:02 |
+BartJol | and is logged in | 21:02 |
+BartJol | more people have had problems with that | 21:03 |
+BartJol | what do you want to do? | 21:04 |
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SquOnk | BartJol: This customer has setup a separate login page. They don't want the login box showing up everywhere. | 21:06 |
SquOnk | BartJol: But they want the logout link to show everywhere once the user has registered. | 21:06 |
+BartJol | ah | 21:06 |
SquOnk | BartJol: I thought of wrapping ^L() with a tmpl_if, but that would need a variable saying whether or not this is a registered user. | 21:07 |
SquOnk | BartJol: Now, is there such a variable? | 21:07 |
+BartJol | nope | 21:07 |
SquOnk | BartJol: That's what I tought after looking around and not finding anything obvious... | 21:07 |
+BartJol | you can just make a ^L(); template | 21:08 |
SquOnk | BartJol: That's what I will suggest. | 21:08 |
+BartJol | that would be the designed way to go | 21:08 |
JDan | BartJol: Maybe you know is there any method for searching asset by it's ID at Assats Tree? | 21:08 |
+BartJol | it is easy to make | 21:08 |
+BartJol | so if your looking in the assetmangers search function?\ | 21:09 |
+BartJol | normally I probably would use the db when I have access | 21:09 |
JDan | SquOnk: Go to Asset Tree, make new folder and create new Template by cliking on left menu | 21:09 |
+BartJol | I'll have a look | 21:09 |
SquOnk | JDan: I know how to do that, thanks! | 21:09 |
+BartJol | or do you mean the search asset? | 21:10 |
JDan | BartJol: I think abut quick way. Not by sql query | 21:10 |
JDan | For example, in Asset Tree I can search. But not by ID | 21:11 |
+BartJol | well sql is quick ;) | 21:11 |
JDan | Yes, I know | 21:11 |
+BartJol | I see | 21:11 |
JDan | But not for webmasters | 21:11 |
+BartJol | sorry for my bad joke | 21:11 |
JDan | I can manager, nor my webmasters | 21:11 |
JDan | I can manage | 21:12 |
+BartJol | doing research at the wuc | 21:12 |
+BartJol | doug is looking | 21:12 |
+BartJol | JDan: you can do it by typing assetid: in front of your assetId | 21:14 |
+BartJol | in the search fielsd | 21:14 |
+BartJol | didn't know that, learned something, cool | 21:14 |
JDan | yes, It's too simple for my mind | 21:15 |
+BartJol | ? | 21:15 |
+BartJol | it is stuff you just have to know | 21:15 |
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JDan | Now, I understand. It's simple. I can use http://www.mysite/root/import/workservice/login_box?op=assetManager;assitid=ID | 21:18 |
+BartJol | ah, well, if it works is good | 21:18 |
+BartJol | not what I meant, but if that is the url you're getting, it apparently works | 21:19 |
JDan | yeh, url have to be correct | 21:20 |
JDan | so, it's not simple | 21:20 |
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+BartJol | JDan: the easy option is to click search in the assetmanager (but people have to be able to enter that) | 21:32 |
JDan | BartJol: Search in the AsstManager doesn't search by assetId | 21:33 |
JDan | Or, my WebGUI wokrs in other way ;-) | 21:34 |
+BartJol | it does when you search for assetid: in front of your actual ID | 21:34 |
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+perlDreamer | that is a new feature, though, BartJol | 21:35 |
+BartJol | ah | 21:35 |
+perlDreamer | it may not be in 7.6 | 21:35 |
+BartJol | doug just told me | 21:36 |
+BartJol | but not that it was nes | 21:36 |
+BartJol | new | 21:36 |
JDan | it's good news for us | 21:36 |
+BartJol | well, it is good if your searching for assets which is referred to by their assetId, like templates of macros | 21:37 |
+perlDreamer | this is in 7.7 and .8 | 21:37 |
preaction_ | yeah, it's brand-new. steve opal added it | 21:40 |
preaction_ | i want to add more search features like that, since google does it and it works well for them | 21:41 |
preaction_ | the site:mysite.com thing, for example | 21:41 |
preaction_ | it'd be nice to say, for example: namespace:Gallery/View | 21:42 |
+BartJol | well, you already can select a namespace | 21:45 |
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+perlDreamer | Ladies and gentlemen and bots, I give you the 2009 CotY, patspam | 21:49 |
+perlDreamer | Give him a big hand | 21:49 |
preaction_ | yeah, namespace is part of the keywords for a template i believe | 21:49 |
* BartJol is clapping | 21:49 |
+perlDreamer | no you're not. I can see you. | 21:50 |
@bopbop | I'm holding up a big foam hand with patspam written on it | 21:50 |
@bopbop | but I'm in the next room | 21:50 |
+BartJol | from that far in the back? | 21:50 |
@bopbop | so nobody knows why | 21:50 |
* BartJol is clapping mentally | 21:50 |
+BartJol | perlDreamer: CotY is Colin of the Year, right? | 22:01 |
* perlDreamer is embarassed | 22:02 |
+BartJol | you actually do look embarassed a bit | 22:03 |
+perlDreamer | you can see that, all the way from the front? | 22:03 |
+BartJol | sure, I have a good glasses maker | 22:03 |
+BartJol | with mood sensores | 22:04 |
+SynQ | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10958 | 22:11 |
+BartJol | ooh | 22:12 |
+SynQ | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m48d6de2 | 22:14 |
+SynQ | bart, you should be able to implement that in 10 minutes ;) | 22:14 |
+perlDreamer | very nice payment skeleton | 22:15 |
+BartJol | well, I am paying attention, this presentation is distracting | 22:15 |
+perlDreamer | it would be good to have that in the core | 22:15 |
+perlDreamer | is Joeri amenable? | 22:15 |
+patspam | he agrees, just needs comments added | 22:16 |
+perlDreamer | should be called something like _payment.skeleton | 22:16 |
+perlDreamer | (oh, and POD) | 22:16 |
+patspam | koen is rfeing it now | 22:16 |
+perlDreamer | no need | 22:16 |
+perlDreamer | that can go right in | 22:16 |
+perlDreamer | it is bug-esque | 22:16 |
+perlDreamer | i18n changes are bugs | 22:17 |
+perlDreamer | missing POD is a bug | 22:17 |
+SynQ | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10959 | 22:17 |
+perlDreamer | missing documentation is a bug | 22:17 |
+perlDreamer | and code examples are in there too | 22:17 |
+SynQ | bug-esque | 22:17 |
+perlDreamer | "like a bug" | 22:17 |
+perlDreamer | romanesque | 22:18 |
+perlDreamer | like a roman | 22:18 |
+perlDreamer | statuesque | 22:18 |
+perlDreamer | like a statue | 22:18 |
+perlDreamer | burlesque | 22:18 |
+perlDreamer | like a burle | 22:18 |
@bopbop | burle? | 22:18 |
+BartJol | plesk, like pl | 22:19 |
@bopbop | I think you made that one up | 22:19 |
+BartJol | lika a pl | 22:19 |
+perlDreamer | I think I did too | 22:19 |
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@bopbop | :) | 22:19 |
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hansw | hi all | 22:37 |
+BartJol | hi hansw | 22:37 |
hansw | hmm, to busy to toy with webgui | 22:37 |
hansw | buggers | 22:37 |
hansw | just a short question, I read webgui is supported by debian these days, is that true? | 22:39 |
+BartJol | yea, it become a package | 22:39 |
hansw | cool | 22:39 |
hansw | lenny? | 22:39 |
+BartJol | not sure in which debian | 22:39 |
preaction_ | yeah, it's in testing right now (sid) | 22:39 |
hansw | great, good news | 22:39 |
preaction_ | it didn't make it into lenny afaik, but lenny+1 i think. | 22:39 |
hansw | that's ok by me | 22:39 |
preaction_ | we've adjusted webgui's release to help the debian package maintainer out a bit | 22:40 |
hansw | I need to make some time to test it | 22:40 |
hansw | getting it in debian will save me a lot of time | 22:41 |
hansw | I know, I'm lazy | 22:42 |
+BartJol | most people are :) | 22:42 |
hansw | they should be :-) | 22:42 |
hansw | and I made more resources available today, so I can test another vm using 2 GB of memory | 22:43 |
hansw | we had servers using 1 GB that can do it with 256 MB of memory | 22:44 |
hansw | just by switching from rcp to rsync :-) | 22:44 |
hansw | if only there was a scorm player that would work on webgui, that would be a big boost in the educational world | 22:46 |
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+BartJol | hansw: if there is a good API for such a player, you could implement it as an asset | 22:51 |
+BartJol | takes some work | 22:52 |
+patspam | Haarg: boing | 22:53 |
@Haarg | ? | 22:53 |
+patspam | are you planning on turning addsite into a wgd plugin? | 22:54 |
@Haarg | i've considered it | 22:54 |
+patspam | diona is talking about how they copy a "prototype" site to create new sites | 22:55 |
+SynQ | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10960 | 22:57 |
+patspam | just think, once i move to the US timezone i can bug you with random wgd plugin ideas all day.. | 22:57 |
+SynQ | that rfe should be assigned to me | 22:58 |
hansw | BartJol, there is | 22:58 |
+SynQ | no perldreamer around? | 22:58 |
+BartJol | well, there you go | 22:58 |
hansw | BartJol, but i'm not a real perl coder, download spamikaze and you will see :-) | 22:59 |
sbaur | I just gave 10960 some karma - i like that idea a lot | 22:59 |
hansw | BartJol, but I do know that if there was such a player that would perform well then there would be companies interested | 23:01 |
+SynQ | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10961 | 23:01 |
hansw | 2 of them in the netherlands | 23:01 |
+patspam | how is that different from backup.pl? | 23:02 |
hansw | 1 in italy and the usa | 23:02 |
+BartJol | well, I think oqapi should be able to implment that | 23:02 |
+SynQ | patspam: it probably is the same as backup.pl only then for one site | 23:02 |
+SynQ | and backup.pl is for automatically scheduled stuff | 23:03 |
+SynQ | the backup.pl script is really basic | 23:03 |
+BartJol | they implement a lot of stuff into webgui | 23:03 |
+BartJol | hansw: http://www.oqapi.nl/contact | 23:04 |
+BartJol | it won't be free | 23:04 |
hansw | BartJol, that is not a real problem, they spend 1.4 years for a customer, it's still not working | 23:06 |
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hansw | but it might be complex for people that do not understand how it is working | 23:06 |
+BartJol | well I don't know where it is going wrong | 23:07 |
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+BartJol | but, as I said you might discuss it with oqapi | 23:07 |
+BartJol | if people have problems for more than a year, me neither will be able to solve that in an hour | 23:08 |
+BartJol | :) | 23:08 |
+BartJol | patspam: that looks like Delft | 23:08 |
+patspam | no street view? | 23:08 |
+BartJol | just the map | 23:09 |
+patspam | i want to see you guys through the window | 23:09 |
hansw | BartJol, I am not expecting you will :-) | 23:09 |
+BartJol | you don't | 23:09 |
+SynQ | thanks sbaur | 23:09 |
+BartJol | I mean you woouldn't | 23:09 |
+BartJol | we have a naked working code | 23:09 |
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+SynQ | patspam has started his talk | 23:33 |
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JDanPl | Hi. How to activate custom workflow in Scheduler? I made own workflow and configured it in Workflow Manager. Workflow is enable. | 12:30 |
JDanPl | But when I try create new task I can't see this workflow | 12:32 |
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ckotil | JDanPl: did you add your custom workflow activity to your webgui config? | 17:02 |
JDanPl | Hi BartJol. I solved problem with Spectre communication error | 17:02 |
JDanPl | ckotil: Yes, | 17:02 |
+BartJol | JDanPl: cool | 17:02 |
JDanPl | JDanPl: finally problem was that I didn't set proper group in config | 17:03 |
+BartJol | ah | 17:03 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * rf40992f / (etc/.gitignore sbin/.gitignore): adding some ignored files - http://bit.ly/ajpgi | 17:03 |
+BartJol | JDanPl: might be usefull to put the solution in the forum thread | 17:04 |
JDanPl | BartJol Specre error disappeared when I added domain to /etc/hosts. Strange. I thought DNS servce is enough | 17:05 |
JDanPl | BartJol: ok, I'll make answare to my posts | 17:05 |
+BartJol | well, since you're using the local IP, that request does not get a hostname | 17:05 |
+BartJol | dns is skipped probably, I guess | 17:06 |
JDanPl | ok, I write last posts and ... sorry, but I go to my vacation | 17:07 |
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+BartJol | have fun! | 17:09 |
JDanPl | Sun, strong wind, and windsurfing! | 17:10 |
JDanPl | Eh | 17:10 |
+BartJol | sounds good | 17:10 |
+SynQ | good morning | 17:10 |
+SynQ | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10968 | 17:11 |
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+SynQ | morning kristi | 17:11 |
@kristi | morning Koen! | 17:11 |
+SynQ | bopbopbopbopbop | 17:11 |
@kristi | :) | 17:11 |
+SynQ | I am going to make you happy today :) | 17:11 |
@kristi | really.... do I dare ask why? | 17:11 |
+SynQ | I'll say one word: pictures! | 17:12 |
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@bopbop | yeah!!! that will make me happy :) :) | 17:12 |
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patspam1 | bopbop = ? | 18:08 |
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+patspam | Haarg: good morning | 18:10 |
@Haarg | morning | 18:10 |
@bopbop | patspam: bopbop=kristi | 18:11 |
+patspam | ahhh! | 18:12 |
+patspam | hello! | 18:12 |
+patspam | :) | 18:12 |
@bopbop | hi there :) | 18:12 |
+patspam | those survey screenshots were from an older version of wg yeah? | 18:12 |
@bopbop | yes | 18:12 |
@bopbop | 7.6 | 18:12 |
+patspam | phew.. i was having flashbacks =p | 18:13 |
@bopbop | we're working on catching up to you | 18:13 |
+patspam | the new edit survey dialogs are hopefully more intuitive to the end user | 18:13 |
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+patspam | "recoded value" is now "score" etc.. | 18:13 |
+patspam | s/recoded/recorded/ | 18:14 |
@bopbop | I'll be looking at it more closely in the next couple of weeks... you'll probably hear from me as I go through it | 18:14 |
+patspam | great | 18:14 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rebffc80 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration/Newsletter.pm : Fix a POD typo in the Newsletter CS. - http://bit.ly/2POW1d | 18:21 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r633f10d / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Remove debug code. - http://bit.ly/B226g | 18:21 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb090f92 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the Newsletter template. Hide subscribe link if used in a CS, and change the namespace. - http://bit.ly/JxMkz | 18:21 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r82ca6dc / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.19-7.7.20.pl : Fix import Story Archive packages with sub-stories. - http://bit.ly/10BIJ7 | 18:21 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re99917e / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration/Newsletter.pm : Fix a POD typo in the Newsletter CS. - http://bit.ly/10s15l | 18:21 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rbf8f37e / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the Newsletter template. Hide subscribe link if used in a CS, and change the namespace. - http://bit.ly/GPsm7 | 18:21 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * raba4cb6 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move upgrade package to correct location. - http://bit.ly/4qUaUi | 18:22 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12348 /translations/Russian/Russian/ (21 files): Update from translation server | 18:56 |
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preaction_ | why aren't more designers in Arjan's talk? this is good stuff here | 21:50 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r0a293f7 / lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/NotifyAboutThing.pm : remove dead code from NotifyAboutThing. - http://bit.ly/3bGnkQ | 22:38 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r785523f / lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/NotifyAboutThing.pm : remove dead code from NotifyAboutThing. - http://bit.ly/wvOT | 22:38 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r229aaaa / lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/SendNewsletters.pm : Fix POD, remove dead code, use correct TTL in SendNewsletters. - http://bit.ly/14Ak4W | 22:57 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra716828 / lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/SendNewsletters.pm : Fix POD, remove dead code, use correct TTL in SendNewsletters. - http://bit.ly/1rwMHN | 22:58 |
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preaction_ | do we have a "WebGUI Design Guidelines"? if not we need one | 23:46 |
preaction_ | the drop-down box for "What Next?" in certain places is retarded, it should be a series of buttons | 23:46 |
preaction_ | and moving fields up/dn in a dataform is completely borked... | 23:52 |
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SquOnk | Greetings | 01:41 |
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mducharme | when is there a 7.7.20 release | 01:57 |
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zambaroo | hey guys | 06:16 |
preaction_ | hi | 06:16 |
zambaroo | during an installation of the latest stable release im running into an issue with mysql driver. this is on centos5. | 06:17 |
zambaroo | Can't load '/data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/i686-linux/auto/DBD/mysql/mysql.so' for module DBD::mysql: | 06:17 |
preaction_ | oh, do "setenforce 0" and try again | 06:17 |
zambaroo | think its selinux? | 06:18 |
preaction_ | that's what someone else tried and it worked | 06:19 |
zambaroo | yes it is | 06:19 |
zambaroo | k, different error now. | 06:19 |
zambaroo | mkay | 06:19 |
zambaroo | thats permissions | 06:19 |
zambaroo | thanks! | 06:19 |
preaction_ | np | 06:19 |
zambaroo | trying to use this thing with an external database | 06:27 |
zambaroo | running into some issues though | 06:27 |
zambaroo | Site could not be created because MySQL appears to be down. at sbin/wreconsole.pl line 234 | 06:28 |
zambaroo | there's a check create sanity there (on that line) | 06:29 |
zambaroo | is there like a log facility for the console? | 06:29 |
zambaroo | because the db is up and running | 06:30 |
zambaroo | sucky :/ | 06:34 |
zambaroo | hrm... my.cnf | 06:56 |
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daviddelikat | preaction: good morning | 16:57 |
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daviddelikat | preaction: good morning | 17:22 |
preaction_ | morning | 17:22 |
daviddelikat | I'm working on the Urls for Users request | 17:22 |
daviddelikat | and I was wondering if you want me to put a target in the anchor tag so that it does not over write the helpdesk page when the user clicks | 17:23 |
daviddelikat | on a user nema | 17:23 |
daviddelikat | s/nema/name/ | 17:23 |
preaction_ | no need, that's what ctrl+click is for | 17:24 |
daviddelikat | sounds good | 17:24 |
daviddelikat | I'm almost doen with the template changes | 17:24 |
daviddelikat | should be pushing code in 15-20 min | 17:24 |
preaction_ | sweet | 17:24 |
daviddelikat | btw: there is no status changes by variable, but there is a resolved by variable | 17:25 |
+patspam | SynQ: ping | 17:25 |
preaction_ | daviddelikat: in the ticket history? there's a username there | 17:26 |
daviddelikat | yes there is in ticket history | 17:26 |
daviddelikat | it may take a bit longer to get ticket history changed | 17:26 |
preaction_ | np | 17:26 |
daviddelikat | I did do the comments though | 17:27 |
daviddelikat | that was easy | 17:27 |
daviddelikat | is there a common function to create anchor tags in WG session or somewhere? | 17:31 |
preaction_ | no, you should just give the URL, no tag | 17:31 |
daviddelikat | when I do the ajax change I'm creating the whole anchor tag to send back to the browser, that was I don't have to mess around with looking for the anchor element and change it... | 17:32 |
preaction_ | ah, but still no, you'll have to do it by hand | 17:33 |
daviddelikat | k thanks | 17:33 |
preaction_ | gotta go get some breakfast, still in madison | 17:34 |
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+patspam | any dutch folk still around? | 17:44 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: daviddelikat master * r7fff83f / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.19-7.8.0.pl : fixed the name of an upgrade function, now the upgrade works - http://bit.ly/2tYqxU | 21:13 |
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* patspam is hanging out at madison airport waiting for a flight | 22:00 |
+patspam | at least the chairs here are comfy | 22:00 |
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daviddelikat | there are many URL's in the dev wiki that don't work any more... | 01:36 |
* SDuensin noticed that. | 01:38 |
SDuensin | I like the appearance of the new WebGUI site, but functionally, it blows. No offense to anyone who worked on it. | 01:38 |
daviddelikat | I really like the imensly long and extremely repetative titles on the pages with titles that are repetative and very long. | 01:39 |
daviddelikat | apparently lit helps with search engines | 01:40 |
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daviddelikat | I once saw a 'standard' to be used in naming i18n fields but now i can't find it... | 01:43 |
daviddelikat | any body seen it? | 01:43 |
SDuensin | nada | 01:43 |
* SDuensin is close to doing something Very Bad... Installing Alfresco. :-( | 01:44 |
daviddelikat | whats alfresco? | 01:45 |
@Haarg | there are plans to improve the state of the wikis on webgui.org. we talked about it a bunch at the hackathon | 01:45 |
SDuensin | Haarg - I need document management (aka, WGFS). | 01:46 |
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SquOnk | Greetings | 05:04 |
SDuensin | Howdy | 05:05 |
SquOnk | SDuensin: I've been trying to checkout the 7.7 branch from SVN, but haven't been able to? | 05:06 |
SquOnk | That wasn't a question but a statement ... | 05:06 |
SquOnk | ...it's still in SVN, right? | 05:06 |
SDuensin | Uh. Might be in GIT now. Not sure. | 05:06 |
SquOnk | Ah, that would explain my epic failure at checking it out <g> | 05:07 |
SquOnk | Anyone care to give the appropiate incantation to get the GIT repo? | 05:10 |
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SquOnk | I'm going to start with | 05:16 |
SquOnk | git clone git://github.com/plainblack/webgui.git | 05:16 |
SquOnk | Is that it? | 05:16 |
* SDuensin shrugs | 05:17 |
SquOnk | Where's perlDreamer when you need him? ;-) | 05:17 |
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carogray1 | 1 | 02:57 |
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carogray1 | daviddelikat1: haha | 03:31 |
daviddelikat1 | hi I was wondering what 1 was about? | 03:31 |
carogray1 | it was a mistake. When the kids at home turn my computer on it automatically logs into all my instant messaging programs and for aol I am supposed to type in 1 to log off all other instances where the IM programming is running. | 03:32 |
carogray1 | by mistake I typed 1 into the WebGUI chat window instead of the aol window | 03:33 |
carogray1 | I am on the bus coming home from WUC09 - were you there? | 03:33 |
daviddelikat1 | i see | 03:33 |
daviddelikat1 | in my basement | 03:33 |
daviddelikat1 | is the bus crowded? | 03:33 |
carogray1 | not too bad - you are in your basement now, or were you attending WUC09 from your basement? | 03:34 |
daviddelikat1 | I'm workign in my basement | 03:34 |
daviddelikat1 | thats where my office is | 03:34 |
daviddelikat1 | I did not make it to much of WUC | 03:34 |
daviddelikat1 | just the hackathon for a couple of hours | 03:35 |
carogray1 | not to much of WUC eh? so you are in Madison then? I did not make it to the hackathon and was sorely disappointed | 03:35 |
carogray1 | however in the end many kind WG guru types gave me loads of help so it worked out ok in the end. | 03:35 |
carogray1 | sorry to have missed you | 03:35 |
daviddelikat1 | I liv ein madison yes. couldn't afford to go | 03:36 |
carogray1 | what a drag - I hate that...too bad you couldn't have lurked in the hallways, sabotaged people in the lobby was there anything in particular you were interested in learning about? | 03:36 |
daviddelikat1 | hopefully next year i will have more work and a better schedule so I can got the whole thing... | 03:37 |
daviddelikat1 | one of my main goals was to meet people | 03:37 |
daviddelikat1 | which I did some at the hackathon | 03:37 |
daviddelikat1 | but I didn't spend much time there as I would have liked | 03:38 |
carogray1 | oh that really is a shame - still I guess the most important people to meet were probably all at the hackathon, | 03:38 |
daviddelikat1 | didn't even pull out a laptop... | 03:38 |
carogray1 | what did you manage to do? | 03:38 |
daviddelikat1 | not necessarily, you weren't there... | 03:38 |
daviddelikat1 | just talked to people | 03:38 |
carogray1 | hah | 03:38 |
daviddelikat1 | 'course they wwere having network issues... | 03:39 |
daviddelikat1 | I got my Palm PC connected for a little while... | 03:39 |
carogray1 | I am mostly trying to learn I really don't really have anything to offer> Maybe one day | 03:39 |
daviddelikat1 | so that was fun | 03:39 |
carogray1 | hmm if you are in Madison - do you already see the PB people anyhow? or are you on your own? | 03:40 |
daviddelikat1 | everyone has something to offer, just have to identify it | 03:40 |
carogray1 | or perhaps you wanted to see all the Dutch and North Carolina people? | 03:40 |
daviddelikat1 | yes I see them about once a month | 03:40 |
daviddelikat1 | and Oregon | 03:40 |
carogray1 | oh yes, PerlDreamer right? | 03:41 |
carogray1 | He is one of the nicest people I have ever met! | 03:41 |
daviddelikat1 | he's shorter than I expected | 03:41 |
carogray1 | yep | 03:41 |
daviddelikat1 | that happend to me a lot though, I'm 6'2" | 03:42 |
daviddelikat1 | but then there are lots of people taller than me nowadays | 03:42 |
carogray1 | I thought he was going to stay longer and compete in the ironman what with all his always leavig the chat room to go to the gym and run etc | 03:42 |
carogray1 | I am short too. 5 almost 3" | 03:42 |
daviddelikat1 | thats right that was today wasn't it | 03:42 |
carogray1 | I think it was yesterday not sure though | 03:43 |
daviddelikat1 | yeah I can't keep track... | 03:43 |
daviddelikat1 | I'm going to get back to work, thanks for chatting | 03:43 |
carogray1 | okey doke will probably miss you next year, but it was nice chatting | 03:44 |
daviddelikat1 | enjoy the buss, I haven't ridden on one in a while | 03:44 |
daviddelikat1 | I kinda like it if they aren'yt too crowded | 03:44 |
carogray1 | this is my regular commuter bus - New Hampshire to Boston.. will lose Internet connection soon, but that may be a relief, wishing you a productive evening bye | 03:45 |
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CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r001347e / lib/WGDev/Command.pm : fix two typos in WGDev::Command - http://bit.ly/ir15Y | 06:19 |
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elnino | how was wuc? | 06:56 |
elnino | is there a way to sort the forums alphabetically in a message board? | 06:57 |
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+BartJol | goodmorning | 16:23 |
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+danny_mk | good day everyone | 16:28 |
+BartJol | hi | 16:29 |
+danny_mk | I am still having the same problem upgrading from 6.35 -> 7.19, it seems I am going to have to breakdown and install using WRE | 16:29 |
+danny_mk | nice meeting you guys at the conference :-) | 16:30 |
+BartJol | 7.1.9? | 16:30 |
+danny_mk | 7.7.19 stable | 16:31 |
+danny_mk | sorry | 16:31 |
+BartJol | ah | 16:31 |
+BartJol | ah, so also 7.6.35 probably | 16:31 |
+danny_mk | no | 16:33 |
+BartJol | oh | 16:34 |
+BartJol | there should be some docs on that | 16:34 |
+danny_mk | I am currenty running 7.6.35 | 16:36 |
+danny_mk | no problem updating to that one | 16:36 |
+BartJol | so from 6.35 /6.99 to 7.6.35 is going ok? | 16:38 |
+danny_mk | yup | 16:38 |
+BartJol | any idea what is breaking? | 16:38 |
+BartJol | a lot of running testenvironment? | 16:39 |
+danny_mk | check out: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d33752e99 | 16:39 |
+BartJol | mmm in my version (7.7.18) line 312 says something about starting a workflow | 16:41 |
+BartJol | are you going directly from 7.6 to 7.7 series? | 16:42 |
+BartJol | I mean directly to latest 7.7 | 16:43 |
+danny_mk | Yup, yes | 16:43 |
+danny_mk | it should work OK, says so in the gotchas | 16:43 |
+BartJol | just checked :) | 16:44 |
+BartJol | in the beginning of 7.7, the upgrade to the first of the branch was necessary | 16:45 |
+danny_mk | hmmm... | 16:46 |
+BartJol | it seems that would not be necessary at this moment | 16:46 |
+BartJol | small toilet break brb | 16:47 |
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+BartJol | but that error does not sound to bad in a way | 16:51 |
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+danny_mk | you know, the weird thing is that I can upgrade to 7.7.18 no problem | 16:53 |
+BartJol | mmm | 16:54 |
+BartJol | no rss related stuff in the changelog either | 16:55 |
+danny_mk | that is the thing, if I had at least a clue of where it is failing I could upgrade. However, this problem does not produce any log errors that I can see | 16:57 |
+BartJol | ah, that is earlier | 16:57 |
+danny_mk | that is why I may have to breakdown and install using wre | 16:59 |
+BartJol | isn't there a cpan module needed for that RssFeed? | 17:00 |
+BartJol | do you have custom assets using Rss features | 17:01 |
+BartJol | I see some stuff in the 7.7.2 gotcha | 17:01 |
+danny_mk | no, no custom assets running Rss features | 17:03 |
+BartJol | ok, well that leaves out that | 17:04 |
+BartJol | there are some modules requested in the 7.7 series | 17:04 |
+BartJol | all installed? XML::FeedPP sounds a bit related | 17:05 |
+danny_mk | let me check | 17:05 |
+danny_mk | yup, that is installed | 17:06 |
+danny_mk | XML::FeedPP is up to date (0.40) | 17:07 |
+BartJol | mmm | 17:11 |
+danny_mk | alright, I am going the upgrade 1 version at a time route | 17:12 |
+danny_mk | from 7.6.35 | 17:12 |
+danny_mk | maybe I missed something | 17:12 |
+BartJol | is there a 7.6.35 to 7.7.0 upgrade script then? | 17:13 |
+BartJol | I don't believe there is | 17:14 |
+BartJol | so via downgrading to the appropiate 7.6 version will be painfull | 17:15 |
+danny_mk | I am starting from the beggining, 7.6.35....7.7.19 | 17:15 |
+BartJol | that is 1 script | 17:16 |
+BartJol | oh, you're commenting out the sub stuff in there | 17:17 |
+danny_mk | hmmmm.... got error | 17:17 |
+BartJol | strange my script says 7.7.17 as toVersion | 17:19 |
+danny_mk | WTF??? | 17:19 |
+danny_mk | alright, I have bigger issues here. I will get back to you when I am succesful | 17:19 |
+BartJol | ok, good luck | 17:19 |
+danny_mk | thank you. | 17:20 |
+BartJol | ah, and I read it wrong | 17:21 |
+BartJol | 7.7.17 is correct | 17:21 |
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+BartJol | hey tavisto, arrived savely in michigan? | 17:33 |
+BartJol | apparently you did | 17:34 |
@tavisto | hey bartjol, yep sure did. Ferry ride was very nice with yesterday's weather | 17:34 |
+BartJol | can imagine | 17:34 |
@tavisto | how was your flight? | 17:34 |
+BartJol | ok, but did not get enough sleep | 17:34 |
+BartJol | and I got a free upgrade to economy plus | 17:35 |
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+BartJol | since I haven't got a creditcard and they did not accept cash or debet cards | 17:35 |
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CIA-53 | wgdev: load config file immediately when set | 18:09 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: This allows us to detect errors in the file and reject it. - http://bit.ly/EBSa4 | 18:09 |
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+BartJol | Haarg: should I test the reaction of a "new" function when no class or session is given to it? | 18:22 |
@Haarg | no, that isn't really needed | 18:23 |
+BartJol | ok | 18:23 |
+BartJol | that is relief | 18:23 |
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+BartJol | well, I believe I finished testing and pod of all my code | 19:36 |
+BartJol | I suppose I should make a github account then | 19:37 |
@preaction | yup | 19:49 |
+BartJol | installing git now | 19:50 |
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+BartJol | danny_mk: did you manage the upgrade? | 21:31 |
+danny_mk | I was successful at work but not on my home server, I will have to do that tonight using the WRE. I should be going that route anyway. | 21:32 |
+BartJol | ok, cool that it worked on 1 side | 21:35 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: hao master * ra48b16d / (5 files in 5 dirs): Fixed #10967: Using a round bracket (parenthesis) in a macro. Unbalanced parentheses can now be escaped in macro calls using the backslash character. - http://bit.ly/qppWy | 22:33 |
CIA-53 | webgui: hao master * r5a43e24 / (8 files in 6 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/UHGk9 | 22:33 |
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@preaction | anyone know if there's a way to create a profile field that's only editable by Admins? | 22:54 |
@preaction | and anybody know why the new user profile system wasn't designed for Admins to edit profiles too? | 22:55 |
@Haarg | do you think it's worth adding an extra parameter to buildHashRef or making a new method for a 31% speedup? | 22:59 |
@Haarg | can't you just make the field not editable? admins can always edit them though the admin panel. | 23:00 |
@preaction | yeah, i can, but this is to improve our processes, not create more work | 23:05 |
@preaction | Haarg: why can't the speedup be the default? what breaks? | 23:05 |
@Haarg | i'm going to add a speedup that doesn't change the results at all | 23:05 |
@Haarg | but i can add another 30% if it only works for 2 column selects | 23:06 |
@preaction | is there a method with that exact functionality in DBI? | 23:06 |
@preaction | if so, use the DBI name for it | 23:06 |
@preaction | i'd like to see WebGUI::SQL gone permanently | 23:06 |
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@Haarg | not the exact function | 23:07 |
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@preaction | and then no way to detect what's happening before it needs to happen, i take it? | 23:08 |
@Haarg | basically, %hash = @{ $dbh->selectcol_arrayref($sql, { Columns => [1,2] } @$params) } | 23:08 |
@Haarg | not without parsing the sql | 23:08 |
@Haarg | missed a comma in that | 23:08 |
@preaction | i'd say make a new method then, because buildHash/buildHashRef may go away, but your method may not | 23:10 |
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@preaction | selectcol_keyvalue maybe? | 23:10 |
@preaction | er.. selectall_keyvalue rather, that's more DBI-like | 23:10 |
@preaction | er.. damn, it uses underscores, we can't do that... | 23:11 |
@preaction | well, is JT there with you? might want to ask him if we can name things like DBI does for ease of adoption | 23:12 |
@Haarg | he's not | 23:12 |
@Haarg | and i'm going to guess the answer is no | 23:12 |
@Haarg | if we want to keep with ::SQL style, i was thinking buildSimpleHashRef | 23:12 |
@Haarg | mainly because i can't think of anything better | 23:12 |
@preaction | perhaps we should ask, and CC me on the e-mail and say it comes from both of us. there's nothing WebGUI::SQL does that can't be done better by other things now, and everybody does them without WebGUI::SQL these days anyway | 23:13 |
@preaction | hell, is buildCSV even used in Core anymore? | 23:14 |
@preaction | but mainly, if we have the power in 8.0, we need to use it | 23:14 |
@preaction | god, the argument will probably devolve into "we aren't rewriting all of webgui" for just this one simple addition... | 23:14 |
@preaction | but 30% speedup, i mean seriously, you can't buy that | 23:15 |
@preaction | and in WebGUI::SQL, used by everything everywhere | 23:15 |
@Haarg | buildHashRef is pretty slow too | 23:15 |
@Haarg | last time i profiled stuff it was the largest percent of a page view to retrieve settings | 23:15 |
@Haarg | for a simple page for visitor | 23:16 |
@preaction | good christ | 23:16 |
@preaction | that's horrible | 23:16 |
@Haarg | i actually think WebGUI::SQL could be useful but most of what it does right now is rather poor | 23:18 |
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@preaction | useful as a subclass of DBI maybe? | 23:19 |
@preaction | the point being that Perl people know DBI, there are entire books written on it | 23:19 |
@Haarg | i'm thinking i may just put in my simple optimization that doesn't change the results and use something better for settings | 23:27 |
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+MrHairgrease | OQAPI! | 23:31 |
@preaction | MOOOO | 23:31 |
+MrHairgrease | I could use aspotted cow, yes | 23:34 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rff93d68 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Fix a bad template variable in SendNewletters workflow activity, bug #10953 - http://bit.ly/117f7C | 05:00 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb57dff3 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Fix a bad template variable in SendNewletters workflow activity, bug #10953 - http://bit.ly/b976M | 05:00 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5ee64a5 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Account/Profile.pm): Allow profile fields to be emptied. Fixes bug #10913. - http://bit.ly/d0mew | 06:44 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1ddfdf0 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Account/Profile.pm): Allow profile fields to be emptied. Fixes bug #10913. - http://bit.ly/l0QDR | 06:44 |
@preaction | perlDre... you're not here | 06:44 |
@preaction | you need to be careful with that one | 06:44 |
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+perlDreamer | talk to me preaction | 07:04 |
+perlDreamer | It's hard being short | 07:07 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: going to crash out | 07:31 |
+perlDreamer | I'll be back online tomorrow | 07:31 |
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zmk | hi, does anyone know if there's a way to insert the automatically generated thumbnail of an image into for example a page by simply browsing the image? I mean outside of a gallery or an image's own view there's little use of the thumbnail ... | 09:59 |
zmk | ie. if a content manager needs to add an image into a text as a thumbnail that's clickable to full size, is that possible without uploading 2 images? | 10:01 |
zmk | Ok for articles I can use attachments and that's good, for articles I actually need pre-defined positions for the images defined in templates. But for page descriptions and maybe for certain articles the images need to be inserted freely and I'm sure there has to be a user friendly way to insert them as thumbnails ... | 10:20 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie refs/tags/v7.7.7 * rd259e92 / docs/gotcha.txt : Add missing gotchas for new modules. - http://bit.ly/GiSqj | 11:37 |
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@bopbop | bartjol: are you around? | 17:19 |
+bartjol | oh, eeh yes | 17:20 |
+bartjol | I am | 17:20 |
@bopbop | I hear I'm supposed to send you some text: do you want the whole book at once, or would you like a hundred or so pages now? | 17:21 |
+bartjol | so, what's up bopbop? | 17:21 |
+bartjol | well, e-mailing a book in a time won't work I suspect (e-mail has it's limits) | 17:21 |
@bopbop | yeah, I suppose :) | 17:22 |
+bartjol | is it somewhere where you (or one of the tech staff) can make it available for me via ssh? | 17:22 |
@bopbop | yeah, I was just thinking along the same lines | 17:22 |
@bopbop | I'll try to get something set up today | 17:22 |
@bopbop | and I'll email you the details | 17:22 |
+bartjol | cool | 17:22 |
+bartjol | I won't be out of work i the naar future | 17:23 |
+bartjol | near | 17:23 |
+bartjol | in | 17:23 |
@bopbop | no, I suspect not | 17:23 |
@bopbop | do you have a dropbox account? | 17:23 |
+bartjol | ope | 17:24 |
+bartjol | nope | 17:24 |
@bopbop | ok | 17:24 |
+bartjol | are those free (I remain dutch :)) | 17:24 |
@bopbop | https://www.getdropbox.com/ | 17:25 |
@bopbop | can't remember if it's free, but it's cheap | 17:25 |
@bopbop | I'll see if it's an option for this | 17:25 |
+bartjol | ah, depends on the size <GB is free | 17:26 |
+bartjol | <2GB | 17:26 |
+bartjol | so if that fits | 17:26 |
@bopbop | yeah, it'll fit | 17:27 |
+bartjol | well | 17:27 |
@bopbop | make an account | 17:27 |
@bopbop | let me know when you have it set up | 17:27 |
@bopbop | and I'll set up a folder for this project that we can use | 17:27 |
@bopbop | I'll send you an invite to the folder once you're ready | 17:28 |
+bartjol | ok | 17:28 |
+bartjol | cool | 17:28 |
@bopbop | k | 17:28 |
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+bartjol | bopbop: dropbox@bartjol.l | 17:36 |
@bopbop | ok, thx | 17:36 |
+bartjol | that is .nl off course | 17:38 |
@bopbop | ok | 17:41 |
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@bopbop | bartjol: invite sent | 17:46 |
@bopbop | protect that content with your life | 17:46 |
+bartjol | and I accepted | 17:46 |
@bopbop | this is yours: CM Guide 7.7_bart copy.odt | 17:47 |
+bartjol | eeh, as "with your life" means, make it available on webgui.org, yes I wil ;) | 17:47 |
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+bartjol | this isn't the only version I may hope? | 17:47 |
@bopbop | no, I made you your own copy | 17:47 |
@bopbop | I'm gonna email you in a minute | 17:48 |
+bartjol | so it's the intellectual ownership | 17:48 |
* bartjol is desperately checking his email | 17:48 |
+bartjol | thanks bopbop, as I am writing you and Koen now, first we need a skeleton before we hang something I suppose, so we actually need a discussion on that | 18:02 |
@bopbop | ok | 18:02 |
+bartjol | have to go now, emailed you | 18:07 |
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daviddelikat | I need some help with internationalization, who would be the expert? | 18:14 |
@preaction | depends on what you need | 18:14 |
daviddelikat | one of my templates is not replacing the ^internal...; macro | 18:14 |
daviddelikat | the module is good because I get some text out of it | 18:15 |
daviddelikat | its just one template that is mis-behaving | 18:15 |
@preaction | it's ^International(); | 18:15 |
@preaction | upper-case I | 18:15 |
daviddelikat | yes, that was a typo | 18:16 |
daviddelikat | what I get in the output is this: ^International(comments,Asset_Ticket); | 18:16 |
@preaction | perhaps it's not being processed by the macro processor? are there errors in the logs? | 18:16 |
daviddelikat | as if it was not doing any macros ata ll | 18:16 |
daviddelikat | no errors | 18:16 |
@preaction | how are you returning the data? | 18:18 |
daviddelikat | returning what data? | 18:19 |
@preaction | the data containing the macro | 18:19 |
@preaction | i don't believe JSON is parsed for macros, for example | 18:19 |
daviddelikat | so if I set the content to json that would cause this? | 18:20 |
@preaction | yes, if you're processing a template and then sending the result as JSON, you need to process macros yourself (using WebGUI::Macro::process( $session, \$content ); | 18:21 |
daviddelikat | definately an interesting issue, because I'm doing both... the template is HTML but the return type is JSON | 18:24 |
daviddelikat | pretty sure that solves my problem | 18:24 |
daviddelikat | are Macros processed when the template is processed? or after the view function returns? | 18:27 |
@preaction | Macros are processed as part of the Style template | 18:27 |
@preaction | since JSON is not inside of a style, macros are not processed | 18:27 |
@preaction | see WebGUI::Session::Style->process | 18:28 |
daviddelikat | I just put in a direct call to process macros, its the only thing that really make sense. thanks for your help | 18:32 |
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+perlDreamer | morning, folks | 18:41 |
daviddelikat | mornin | 18:41 |
@preaction | morning | 18:41 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: re last night, what do I need to be careful about? | 18:41 |
@preaction | I forget, there was something having to do with default values and trying to delete data from a profile field | 18:42 |
+perlDreamer | hm. | 18:42 |
@preaction | and i don't remember if i could make a failing test for it, for some other weird reason | 18:43 |
@preaction | this was back when we were having problems because there was no way to determine if a field had been part of the form or not | 18:43 |
+perlDreamer | that part has been fixed. All fields now have a presence indicator | 18:44 |
+perlDreamer | the problem that I fixed is that User->profileField does a truthiness check on the input data | 18:44 |
+perlDreamer | and doesn't write if it's false | 18:44 |
+perlDreamer | even though '' (and 0) are fine profile field values | 18:44 |
@preaction | okay, that's different | 18:44 |
+perlDreamer | I'm glad you're watching my back :) | 18:45 |
+perlDreamer | KlausH: are you awake? | 18:45 |
daviddelikat | preaction: has the help desk been updated on webgui.org since I change the ticketStatus update? ( 2 weeks ago I think ) | 18:49 |
@preaction | not yet, no. it's on my list for today | 18:49 |
daviddelikat | you will want to wait, I have just identified a problem in the connection between comments and status change that will probably make it impossible to resolve a ticket | 18:50 |
+perlDreamer | I used to be able to see a "Assign bug to me" link, but it seems to be gone now, too. | 18:50 |
daviddelikat | I'll try to get it fixed this morning | 18:50 |
@preaction | ok | 18:51 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: yeah, that's been going on-and-off weirdly. i think because there are three different templates on pb.com | 18:51 |
+perlDreamer | ah, I see. That makes sense. | 18:51 |
daviddelikat | dang, I forgot to update the other templates... | 18:51 |
daviddelikat | JT mentioned that it was silly to have the extra templates | 18:52 |
daviddelikat | how troublel some is it to just use the main one | 18:52 |
@preaction | as far as i know it should be no issue at all. i think the only difference is some leading text which should be the Description field anyway | 18:54 |
daviddelikat | that was what I saw as well, hence the discussion... | 18:55 |
@preaction | i'll add that to my list today | 18:55 |
daviddelikat | correction: its not resolved that is trouble, but closed status that is difficult to reach. | 18:56 |
daviddelikat | I'll be looking at the automagic version as well as the manual side today. | 18:57 |
mducharme-work | 7.7.20 release soon? | 18:58 |
@preaction | should be today if all goes well | 18:59 |
mducharme-work | excellent | 19:00 |
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sanyock | Hello | 19:01 |
+perlDreamer | howdy | 19:01 |
@preaction | hello there | 19:01 |
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+perlDreamer | hold onto yer shorts, I'm going to write some javascript | 19:02 |
sanyock | Could please someone suggest why a matrix can display "data error" in v7.6.35 on an upgraded site while works fine on a new site (on the same server)? | 19:02 |
sanyock | It is a new not upgraded matrix object just create with default properties | 19:04 |
CIA-53 | webgui: hao master * r082b04b / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 19:04 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Fixed bug #10982 where survey admin menu options appear twice. Caused by the | 19:04 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Survey Asset directly calling its parent getAdminConsole method instead of | 19:04 |
CIA-53 | webgui: instantiating a session instance of the method. - http://bit.ly/P33Ya | 19:04 |
+perlDreamer | sanyock, edit and save your matrix. | 19:04 |
+perlDreamer | There was a bug in adding new properties to the Matrix. It was not done in the best way, and this causes existing Matrix assets to have a javascript error. | 19:05 |
sanyock | I tried to edit it several times, I tried to create a new matrix on both upgraded and new sites | 19:06 |
sanyock | new matrix on upgraded site does not work, but new matrix on a new site works fine | 19:06 |
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sanyock | neither matrix did not exist before upgrade | 19:06 |
sanyock | May be there is a thread on the forum where it was discussed I should search for | 19:08 |
+perlDreamer | it was a posted bug | 19:08 |
sanyock | Looking bugtracker | 19:08 |
sanyock | Most bug reports point to a JavaScript error, but having the same server most likely I am using the same JavaScripts for both demo and production | 19:18 |
sanyock | It seems like I should change something in production database to fix the issue | 19:19 |
daviddelikat | Haarg: how does wgdev look for the webgui config file? | 19:20 |
sanyock | Does WebGUI stores any predefined Matrix JavaScripts in templates? | 19:20 |
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@preaction | sanyock: it's possible | 19:21 |
@Haarg | it used to automatically check for a single config and use it if available, but it doesn't do that any longer | 19:21 |
@preaction | which is kinda lame to me :( | 19:21 |
daviddelikat | so do I have to specify a config every time | 19:21 |
@preaction | i think there's a way to make a .wgdev config file for that, no? | 19:22 |
@Haarg | you can either set the WEBGUI_CONFIG env variable or set the command.webgui_config config entry | 19:22 |
+perlDreamer | -F works, too | 19:22 |
@preaction | and where is that config file? ~/.wgdev, correct? | 19:23 |
daviddelikat | I've been using -F but it is a lot of typing... | 19:23 |
@Haarg | ~/.wgdevcfg | 19:23 |
daviddelikat | what does wgdevcfg look like? | 19:23 |
@Haarg | wgd help config | 19:23 |
daviddelikat | much better... | 19:26 |
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+MrHairgrease | tavisto: OQAPI! | 19:27 |
@tavisto | OQAPI!!!!!! | 19:27 |
@tavisto | hey you owe me several hundred karma | 19:27 |
+perlDreamer | WEBGUI! | 19:27 |
+MrHairgrease | that's true | 19:27 |
+MrHairgrease | how much? | 19:27 |
@tavisto | after I dominated the dutch team's greatest pool player | 19:27 |
+MrHairgrease | 600? | 19:27 |
@tavisto | I think it was 190,000 | 19:28 |
+MrHairgrease | hehe | 19:28 |
@tavisto | haha I kid.. I don't need your karma | 19:28 |
+MrHairgrease | no | 19:28 |
@tavisto | I can magically create it out of thin air if I want to be karma rich | 19:28 |
+MrHairgrease | you really do | 19:28 |
@tavisto | I would prefer you have it. | 19:28 |
+MrHairgrease | I owe patspam 300 | 19:28 |
@tavisto | okay so pay him with what you lost to me | 19:29 |
+MrHairgrease | I'm not sure if you are better at pool than he is | 19:29 |
@tavisto | of course I am | 19:29 |
+MrHairgrease | or the beers in between both games are to be blamed | 19:29 |
@tavisto | I blame it on the beers.. but you have an unfair advantage because you always have a blood alcohol content of over .15 | 19:30 |
@preaction | oh, now i remember why the templates differ. it's the differents between "Report a bug" and "New Ticket" | 19:32 |
@preaction | does anyone here not know that "New Ticket" will report a bug? | 19:32 |
daviddelikat | is there any way to trigger a workflow manually? | 19:36 |
@preaction | yes, through the Workflow menu | 19:37 |
daviddelikat | in the admin console? I'm not seeing anything | 19:37 |
@preaction | oh, wait. that's a scheduled task | 19:37 |
@preaction | uh.... no | 19:37 |
@preaction | as how would you trigger, say, a version tag workflow without a version tag? | 19:38 |
daviddelikat | no I just want to run the helpdesk close tickets workflow | 19:38 |
daviddelikat | I can run the hourly maint task | 19:38 |
daviddelikat | thanks | 19:38 |
daviddelikat | that is what I was loking for | 19:38 |
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sanyock | I have just made a search for "matrix" in admin/assets and all found objects have the same size and date in both demo and production | 19:47 |
sanyock | demo works, production does not :( | 19:47 |
+perlDreamer | sanyock, when 7.7.20 is released, it should fix the problem | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | that release will be later today | 19:49 |
KlausH | Hi | 19:54 |
+perlDreamer | KlausH, I need some help fixing an i18n bug in German. | 19:55 |
+perlDreamer | In your website, are all the profile tabs internationalized in the Account? | 19:55 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: one thing that in the helpdesk that should require 2 templates are Karma Rank | 19:58 |
+perlDreamer | in the bug list, that's just taking up space. | 19:58 |
KlausH | After short looking into the profile settings it seems that "Are you available to be added as a Friend?" is not internationalized. | 20:01 |
daviddelikat | what are the 2 templates for karma rank for? | 20:01 |
+perlDreamer | KlausH, ug, that's another bug. In particular, is the Personal profile field category internationalized? | 20:01 |
daviddelikat | perlDreamer: what do you mean about karma rank needing 2 templates? | 20:03 |
+perlDreamer | daviddelikat: in the bug board, karma is worthless so it should not be displayed. | 20:04 |
+perlDreamer | on the rfe board, karma is everything, so it has to be displayed | 20:04 |
+perlDreamer | as an aside, the EMS sorting bug seems to be that the DataTable was set to sort, but the server side JSON method and client-side data source weren't told about that. | 20:04 |
daviddelikat | the template should leave out the karma info if it is turned off | 20:05 |
KlausH | Do you mean "?op=account"? These things are internationalized. | 20:05 |
+perlDreamer | KlausH: what I'm looking for is well described in this bug: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/10977 | 20:06 |
+perlDreamer | it's just that I can't duplicate it | 20:06 |
@Haarg | the issue with karma should be solved by having an additional karma option, not two templates | 20:07 |
sanyock | Is it correct that "Maximum Group" combobox includes auto groups for Threads/Collab? | 20:10 |
daviddelikat | is karma being displayed where it shouldn | 20:10 |
daviddelikat | t be? | 20:10 |
+perlDreamer | yup, in the bug board | 20:10 |
@preaction | i agree that it should be an option, not a new template | 20:11 |
daviddelikat | I'll look at the template and see why it is displayed, we don't need another option because there is already an on/off option and it is just not being used propperly in this template | 20:12 |
@Haarg | there should be two settings. one for having the karma/difficulty stuff enabled, and another for posting tickets/comments giving karma. | 20:12 |
@Haarg | the single option is not sufficient | 20:13 |
daviddelikat | why? | 20:13 |
@Haarg | it's enabled for the bug board because otherwise users wouldn't get karma for posting | 20:13 |
daviddelikat | so should the option have two settings? | 20:14 |
@Haarg | it should just be two independent options | 20:14 |
daviddelikat | one is for posting the other is for ticket accumulating | 20:15 |
@Haarg | basically, yes | 20:15 |
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* perlDreamer is daydreaming about an extended ticket resolution form where version numbers and commits have their own form fields. | 20:27 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rfffef31 / (5 files in 5 dirs): Fixed #10967: Using a round bracket (parenthesis) in a macro. Unbalanced parentheses can now be escaped in macro calls using the backslash character. - http://bit.ly/3v5qCy | 20:28 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r740066c / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix sorting in the EMS ticket screen. bug #10929. - http://bit.ly/wLcAw | 20:28 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5882115 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix sorting in the EMS ticket screen. bug #10929. - http://bit.ly/CCK66 | 20:28 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1786523 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move EMS package to correct directory. - http://bit.ly/1aDWHF | 20:28 |
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daviddelikat | perlDreamer: can you email me a description of your daydream? | 20:40 |
+perlDreamer | daviddelikat, I can try, but it's way out there :) I'll see to it later this afternoon. | 20:42 |
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daviddelikat | I'm usually way out there myself | 20:43 |
daviddelikat | preaction: can you put on you list somewhere to check and see when the 'helpdesk:close resolved tickets' workflow is set to run on webgui.org | 20:47 |
* perlDreamer will remind him | 20:49 |
@preaction | doesn't look like it is set to run on webgui.org at all | 20:49 |
daviddelikat | that may be best | 20:49 |
daviddelikat | I just tested it and it changed the status to Acknowleged | 20:49 |
daviddelikat | seems a bit buggy | 20:49 |
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daviddelikat | I was going to say 'I'll be back later' but tonight is madmongers meeting | 20:51 |
daviddelikat | so I ~may~ be back later.. | 20:51 |
@preaction | indeed | 20:51 |
+perlDreamer | madmongers, madmongers, party time, excellent! | 20:52 |
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ekennedy | Is anyone using Aspell in the 0.9.3 WRE. I'm getting the following error on a couple of different installs "/data/wre/prereqs/bin/httpd: symbol lookup error: /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/i686-linux/auto/Text/Aspell/Aspell.so: undefined symbol: new_aspell_config" | 22:26 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * re161afd / (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #10885: code editor breaks JS comments - http://bit.ly/ROt2I | 22:37 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * rbbe1eb7 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #10885: code editor breaks JS comments - http://bit.ly/3UDUGN | 22:49 |
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SquOnk | Greetings | 22:50 |
ekennedy | Hi. | 22:50 |
SquOnk | What's the way to get access to webgui's GIT repo? | 22:51 |
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ekennedy | Do you need to commit or just read? | 22:53 |
SquOnk | ekennedy: I used to have write permission on the SVN repo, but reading will suffice for the time being. | 22:54 |
ekennedy | I think JT needs to give commit access. I only got started with GIT last week. The first thing I did was create an account at GIT (http://github.com) | 22:55 |
ekennedy | Do you already have an account? | 22:55 |
SquOnk | ekennedy: I'd lie to you if I answered yes or no :-) | 22:56 |
SquOnk | ekennedy: I remember being asked about it a while ago. I don't remember answering or not answering :-) | 22:56 |
ekennedy | I'm not sure if you have to have one or not to read but you should be able to get to the sources at http://github.com/plainblack. | 22:57 |
ekennedy | To get commit access I think you will need to send your GIT ID to JT. | 23:00 |
@preaction | yes, JT is the one with the keys | 23:02 |
carogray | hello guys - nice meeting most of Y'all last week | 23:07 |
carogray | have a question about anchors | 23:07 |
carogray | we have used anchors on page..hang on a sec plumber on phone | 23:07 |
+perlDreamer | SquOnk: http://github.com/plainblack/webgui | 23:08 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Yes, I'm cloning it as we speal | 23:09 |
SquOnk | speak | 23:09 |
SquOnk | "Replace WebGUI search with something" -> PostgreSQL FTS | 23:10 |
SquOnk | Ah, but WebGUI only runs on MySQL... pity <g> | 23:11 |
+perlDreamer | SquOnk, you're as much of a PostgreSQL bigot as I am a perl bigot. | 23:11 |
SquOnk | PG FTS supports stemming, indexes on real time via triggers, and it's multilinguial. | 23:11 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: :-) | 23:11 |
SquOnk | ...it also has ranking and performance is amazing since it uses the proper indexing: no B-trees nor inverted lists, but a spatial R-index which is THE right way to do that. | 23:12 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: I've been on the full-text search wagon for years. | 23:14 |
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SquOnk | perlDreamer: The only thing out-of-database that _really_ works is call dpsearch. Excellent functionality, crappy documentation. | 23:15 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: But it doesn't do its work on line. You need to batch it. | 23:15 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: I had an experimental vertical indexing site using Pg/dpsearch. | 23:16 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: We'll be switching to Pg FTS shortly. And we're publishing a paper (hopefully on the next OSCON :-). | 23:17 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r4186b7c / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Make Test.pm search order the same as preload.perl - http://bit.ly/OCIre | 23:23 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra194f69 / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 23:23 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Fixed bug #10982 where survey admin menu options appear twice. Caused by the | 23:23 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Survey Asset directly calling its parent getAdminConsole method instead of | 23:23 |
CIA-53 | webgui: instantiating a session instance of the method. - http://bit.ly/4N5y5 | 23:23 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r716da04 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Make Test.pm search order the same as preload.perl - http://bit.ly/11FwCd | 23:24 |
mducharme-work | we use postgresql for a bunch of stuff | 23:24 |
mducharme-work | I think it works great | 23:24 |
mducharme-work | wow! | 23:30 |
mducharme-work | reading the TODO's for webgui 8 | 23:30 |
mducharme-work | I absolutely love the seperate style template idea | 23:30 |
carogray | ok plumber can't solve mysterious "intermittent water" problem and at a cost of $1899 to replace pump, and a mere $638 or so just to come out and do a little quick fixes, no thanks, so back to my anchor and syntax question | 23:31 |
carogray | is it best if linking to anchor on same page to do <a href="question_11">question 11</a> or | 23:32 |
carogray | <a href="^PageUrl();#question_11"> question 11</a> | 23:33 |
carogray | ? | 23:33 |
carogray | the rules for doing this seem to have been inconsistent from version to version and I would like to do it one way and have it work that way for as long as poss | 23:34 |
+perlDreamer | anchors on the same page are always #anchow | 23:36 |
+perlDreamer | #anchor | 23:36 |
mducharme-work | will there be a webgui 7.9.x after 7.8.x, or is it going to likely go directly from 7.8.x to 8.x? | 23:39 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * r5519d4f / (t/Workflow/Activity/GetCsMail.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): add new API for mocking assets in tests - http://bit.ly/BFMn4 | 23:42 |
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+perlDreamer | it depends on the timing of it all | 23:43 |
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@preaction | perlDreamer: can your progress bar be used without the admin style? | 00:12 |
+perlDreamer | good question | 00:13 |
+perlDreamer | right now I think the admin style is hardcoded in there | 00:13 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, the admin style is hardcoded | 00:14 |
@preaction | the new bug about the Gallery is long-standing, but if something like the progress bar could be used | 00:14 |
+perlDreamer | good point | 00:14 |
+perlDreamer | if the progress bar was ever exposed to a user, it would have to be templated | 00:15 |
@preaction | it'd have to be broken into two parts, the upload and then a page refresh for the processing | 00:15 |
@preaction | or somehow stylable, yes | 00:15 |
+perlDreamer | you could use the same progress bar for both parts | 00:15 |
@preaction | god, why didn't i fix this properly when i had the time? | 00:15 |
@preaction | no need, the upload works just fine, it's the processing that's the problem | 00:16 |
@preaction | also, the upload is much hairier to get the callback right | 00:16 |
@preaction | much easier to just do the processing, and then it fixes the problem | 00:17 |
dionak | does anyone here use Thingy? I've tried linking a file field from another 'Thing' but, once linked, the form field is just a selectbox | 00:20 |
dionak | normal? | 00:20< |
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