WebGUI irc logs from: 2009-09.log

daviddelikat1
--- Log opened Tue Sep 01 00:00:30 2009
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preaction	and it seems like you can't insert a completely blank line. because this thing is stupid and everything's stupid	00:18
+perlDreamer	the only way to insert a "blank" line is to insert a line with some kind of whitespace in it?	00:19
preaction	correct	00:20
preaction	a single space seems to work	00:20
preaction	and this is still only in IE	00:20
preaction	i imagine this is a surmountable problem, but i don't have time to surmount it right now	00:20
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+perlDreamer	preaction: is this the DavGlass thing, or something built on top of YUI Editor?	00:31
preaction	the davglass thing is built on-top of the YUI Editor	00:31
preaction	it's the Dav Glass thing, but fixed	00:31
preaction	at least, now that i'm starting to understand some of it	00:32
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CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6d393fe / t/Shop/PayDriver/Ogone.t : Make Ogone.t test for its own name. - http://bit.ly/UU7GP	00:42
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SquOnk	Greetings.	00:47
SquOnk	I've setup a Weblog. I want to disable the ability to Reply (Add?) to the posts.	00:47
SquOnk	I did check 'no' in Security's "Allow Replies".	00:48
SquOnk	As a Visitor, I can only read the post and the bottom bar only gives Previous and Next as expected.	00:48
SquOnk	But if I use any registered user, the "Add" option shows up and I can add comments. What gives?	00:49
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SquOnk	Ah, figured it out.	01:13
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SquOnk	carogray: Your CSS adventure had a happy ending?	01:44
carogray	oh god no!	01:45
SquOnk	Bummer	01:45
carogray	just moved the DNS committed the version tag and ayah - it looks AWFUL seems to have been a previous version!	01:45
SquOnk	carogray: Where is it?	01:45
carogray	So hopefully not too many people will be looking at it tonight and I will be able to do some reconstructive work tonight	01:45
carogray	http://www.mwlegal.org	01:46
carogray	everything is broken and ....	01:46
SquOnk	carogray: What's b0rken?	01:46
carogray	well I had a flash movie working right and now it doesn't show up.	01:46
carogray	I cant get the Metrowest legal Services in the footer to be in Century Schoolbook, the side menus are all wonky and ....	01:47
SquOnk	Where was it supposed to show?	01:47
carogray	http://test16.mlri.org/donate.html	01:48
carogray	or perhaps mwlegal.org/donate.html	01:49
carogray	hadn't really finished	01:49
carogray	.... have to get last files together and pack up by 7:10 tonight so I can make the bus and work at home tonight...	01:49
SquOnk	carogray: "OOPS! You forgot to upload swfobject.js! You must upload this file for your gallery to work."	01:49
carogray	Iknow	01:49
carogray	I already had fixed this... then I committed the version tag and somehow it undid it!	01:50
carogray	I remember it is actually a name not matching somewhere. I have to go through it all again.	01:50
carogray	you know like a jpg instead of a gif or ... a capital letter somewhere and lowercase somewhere else...	01:50
SquOnk	carogray: I think you used /swfobject.js but it lives in /extras/ukplayer/swfobject.js	01:52
+perlDreamer	^Extras(ukplayer/swfobject.js);	01:54
carogray	I will look, thanks for helping out. I get connected on the bus so I am hoping to work on it then but I have to get the files that were updated only about 4 1st and then perhaps if you are still around.. I am not too worried about the Flash since I did fix it before, but not being able to get the Century Schoolbook on the Metrowest Legal Services in the footer is driving me nuts... I can't figure out what I am doing wrong.	01:54
carogray	thanks so much you guys... I am keeping the log and will check back in when I am on the bus. It's about 1 hr 45 minutes and I get internet signal for most of the trip.	01:55
SquOnk	carogray: id="LegalCredits"	01:56
SquOnk	carogray: But LegalCredits has Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif in the CSS	01:56
carogray	nope wrong page	01:57
SquOnk	carogray: That's the main page.	01:57
carogray	it's on an inner page that's the home page you are looking at	01:57
carogray	I mean that's the home page	01:57
carogray	At the bottom of http://test16.mlri.org/donate.html footer is in the pageFooterContainer and it is h4	01:58
carogray	defined css for it above h4#MWLegal { font-family:"Century Schoolbook", Georgia, serif; font-color: #036; }	01:59
carogray	found the files I need and copied them to my little card so I have a few minutes	01:59
SquOnk	carogray: Well, I don't have Century Schoolbok. I have Century Schoolbook L	02:01
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbaadf9c / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.18-7.7.19.pl : Fix lots of typos. - http://bit.ly/16OL0Q	02:02
carogray	Still it should show as Georgia or a serif font and be the right colour?	02:02
carogray	SquOnk: is there a quick way to put your name in when I reply to you, or do you just type it in?	02:03
SquOnk	carogray: I type "car" and the hit TAB.	02:03
SquOnk	carogray: So try typing "sq" and then hit TAB.	02:03
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SquOnk	carogray: I believe you're missing a comma between a:active and a:visited in the CSS fragment above the "problematic" one. A thing with CSS is that a syntax error makes the rest of the file is ignored.	02:04
carogray	SquOnk: ooh yeah great...	02:04
carogray	like I said yesterday I am not a detail person and I need to get ways to look at things afresh... thanks for that	02:05
SquOnk	carogray: If you use Firefox, there's a plugin that let's you find out the CSS for each block. If it says "no CSS info" it means something is b0rken in the CSS... that's what led me to believe you had a syntax error in you CSS.	02:07
carogray	aha would that be firebug?	02:07
carogray	that would explain a lot when it says there is no style defined for body when I have definitely defined styles for body	02:07
SquOnk	carogray: I use webdeveloper	02:08
carogray	I think I might have used to have had that, will try it again...get it from mozilla plugins?	02:09
SquOnk	carogray: Yes.	02:09
SquOnk	carogray: I see you embed CSS with the HTML. That's not good or bad, but that's not the way I work. I tend to have CSS snippets separate from HTML and use some sort of CSS editor/validator before uploading, that way I now it's not b0rken.	02:10
carogray	I am just doing it temporarily -like eventually will put it in it's own snippet and call it after combining it with home page css	02:11
carogray	haven't found a way to be sure it works in WG without putting it in directly and can change it quicker if on same template than if somewhere else	02:12
carogray	SquOnk: eek!	02:12
carogray	gotta run will be on bus in about 10-15 mins	02:12
carogray	talk to you then?	02:12
SquOnk	carogray: I'll be leaving for home soon too.	02:12
SquOnk	carogray: I'll get online later though.	02:13
carogray	thanks	02:13
carogray	bye	02:13
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+perlDreamer	in 7.8, we can finally get rid of errorHandler!	02:15
@Haarg	we can?	02:15
+perlDreamer	sure, it was marked as deprecated	02:16
+perlDreamer	there will only be log	02:16
+perlDreamer	nice, short, simple "log"	02:16
@Haarg	hrm	02:16
@Haarg	that's a pretty large api change	02:16
+perlDreamer	well, we can leave the original there for historical purposes	02:17
+perlDreamer	backwards compatibility and all, but there's no reason to use errorHandler in the core anymore	02:17
@Haarg	session->log->fatal is pretty weird, but aside from that i'd agree	02:18
+perlDreamer	maybe we need a WebGUI::Compatibility module	02:19
+perlDreamer	which could handle API naming changes and other simple thing	02:19
+perlDreamer	WebGUI::Session::errorHandler = WebGUI::Session::log	02:19
+perlDreamer	put it into modules.exclude by default	02:20
+perlDreamer	and if people want to use it, they can uncomment it	02:20
+perlDreamer	Haarg: did you have a chance to look in the database at the character set for the addresses that are having problems with ITransact?	02:25
@Haarg	no	02:26
@Haarg	the character set is going to be utf8 in the database though	02:28
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+perlDreamer	seems odd to me that someone from Wisconsin would be using a character set that wouldn't downgrade safely to latin-1	02:29
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carogray	am I still here..	02:52
carogray	yep	02:52
carogray	sorry just checking	02:52
+perlDreamer	we hear you carogray	02:52
carogray	I was checking out something about how pidgin works in a web browser and it told me that if I closed the window I would lose all my IRC connections	02:53
carogray	just wanted to make sure I didn't disconnect from WebGUI chat room and then reconnect, got in trouble for that last week:-/	02:54
+perlDreamer	trouble? from whom?	02:55
carogray	preaction	02:55
+perlDreamer	I wouldn't sweat it. Accidents happen.	02:55
carogray	perhaps he wasn't pissed off, you know how texting can come across a little more abruptly than in person	02:55
carogray	I am just trying to be super careful now	02:56
carogray	I have all this work to do now, but I have to ask are you going to be at the WUC next week perlDreamer?	02:56
@Haarg	he wasn't angry, but you somehow had 6 clients connecting and disconnecting	02:57
@Haarg	so it was spamming the channel pretty bad	02:57
+perlDreamer	I will be at the WUC. In real life, I'm known as Colin Kuskie	02:57
carogray	I had 6? how could that happen was it different machines?	02:57
carogray	Oh ho.	02:57
@Haarg	same machine	02:57
@Haarg	i wouldn't worry about it though	02:58
carogray	I know what happened at my end but I didn't realize there were 6 of me though! I was connected or trying to be connected through my friend's neighbor's wireless connection and it was driving me crazy didn't realize it was creating many of me.. until I was banned	02:58
carogray	when he woke up I connected to his connection and then I stayed connected consistently, just didn't want to risk it again for the rest of the trip	02:59
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carogray	So I am finally going to make it to the WUC this year pretty excited - we had been saving desperately last year and then had some money left over so I asked if I could spend it last minute - the day before the fiscal year ended on the WUC! So I am coming. Yay.	03:00
+perlDreamer	cool!	03:00
carogray	I will be way out of my element but it will be fun to meet you guys. anyone want anything from Boston or New Hampshire?	03:02
carogray	I can even bring "happy pork" if you are not a vegetarian	03:02
+perlDreamer	what is 'happy pork'?	03:08
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* perlDreamer is going to take a break and play with the young ones. bbiaw		03:09
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SquOnk	re	03:15
carogray	perlDreamer: for when you get back "happy pork" is what we call our pigs when we eat them! Although they are fenced in the 'gambol' around in the woods eating acorns and poison ivy and lots of dunkin donuts and they have a grand time...eventually they go to freezer camp and we eat them and then sometimes they eat each other - perhaps too much information, but the meat is good and they are not living like the animals whose meat you buy fr	03:17
carogray	SquOnk: just checking back looks like I have many errors - trying the w3c validators... tell me when you have an 'a' in an id is it supposed to be a#menu? or #menu a { ? not sure if my css is wrong - the way I have defined it or the way I am actually using it in the html... still figuring it all out	03:19
carogray	fixed the comma you told me about still wrong, but now I am on to checking other errors	03:20
SquOnk	carogray: a#menu works for <a id=menu ...>	03:20
SquOnk	carogray: #menu a works for <a ... > inside anything id=menu	03:21
SquOnk	carogray: They are two different things.	03:21
SquOnk	carogray: Most of the time what you want is div#menu a, meaning "any <a ...> found inside _the_ <div id=menu>"	03:21
carogray	Oh ok, I see I guess most of the time I want the a's inside the id blocks	03:21
carogray	right	03:21
SquOnk	carogray: So use div#idname explicitly.	03:22
SquOnk	carogray: By being explicit in the future you won't have to remember what you meant two weeks ago when you wrotr #foo :-)	03:22
carogray	OK - the validator is telling me lots of stuff about what's allowed and not allowed inside certain elements. At least I have some direction now and am not just stabbing in the dark, most of what I did is guess work and imitation. It worked for the test17.mlri.org website - haven't managed to do the menu there though but this one is much more complicated... off to pay attention to details	03:24
carogray	SquOnk: you know if you want anything from Boston or New Hampshire next week, assuming you will be at WUC?	03:24
carogray	one more ? Can you have an #menu AND a .menu that is both a class and an id called the same thing or is that just dumb?	03:26
SquOnk	carogray: You can have it. It's not dumb but not smart either :-)	03:27
carogray	ok well at least it is one of the few things that isn't breaking everything	03:27
SquOnk	carogray: Use ids for things that are unique. Say 'header' or 'footer'... chances are you have a single div for header and a single div for footer.	03:27
carogray	yeah, I know I was putting different bits and pieces together and some already had styles defined	03:28
SquOnk	carogray: Use classes for things that will be used several times. Say for h2/h4 or specially formatted paragraph.	03:28
carogray	I was trying to change as little as possible	03:28
carogray	like li s are classes side menu is an id I know I get it	03:28
SquOnk	carogray: I won't make WUC this year either :-(	03:29
carogray	mpf too bad - where do you live?	03:29
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SquOnk	carogray: Caracas, Venezuela	03:29
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SquOnk	carogray: Are you from Boston?	03:36
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+perlDreamer	carogray, so by day you are a mild-mannered IT worker and website builder, but by night, you are the Raiser of Pigs?	05:22
carogray	by day too - actually mother of Raiser of Pigs... working at home 3 days a week I do pigs when kids are out late at night or away for some carousing	05:23
carogray	True Raiser of Pigs is also mountain bike patroller and ski patroller - I am just the stand-in	05:24
+perlDreamer	the variety of people who use WebGUI never ceases to amaze me	05:24
carogray	actually by day I am not really a website builder - rather I am content coordinator Plain English editor	05:24
carogray	got stuck with technical stuff cause all the more technical people left and besides I have experience with low income people using and building basic websites....	05:25
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carogray	Guess what?!!! the flash is working now! I didn't do anything!!	05:34
carogray	wait a minute - perhaps it's that the page is cached... never mind I bet it isn't really working	05:34
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+perlDreamer	Haarg: The Shop API is convoluted	05:38
@Haarg	oh?	05:38
SquOnk	Well, off I go.	05:38
@Haarg	i haven't dealt with it much	05:38
SquOnk	See you guys tomorrow	05:38
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+perlDreamer	Let's just say that trying to build a test bench for the ITransact driver, has been, trying	05:39
+perlDreamer	First, you have to build products with variants	05:41
+perlDreamer	then you need a cart	05:41
+perlDreamer	then a transaction referencing that cart	05:41
+perlDreamer	then you put things into the cart	05:42
+perlDreamer	then you put things into the transaction	05:42
+perlDreamer	you can update the transaction with an updated cart	05:42
+perlDreamer	but only if the cart has an AddressBook and shipping address set	05:42
+perlDreamer	oh, and a Shipping driver	05:43
+perlDreamer	was that whiny enough to qualify for a "trying" ?	05:44
elnino	yes.	06:10
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carogray	perlDreamer: a little more basic css?	06:54
+perlDreamer	you can try carogray, but I'm really a perl hacker ;)	06:55
carogray	if I have defined just 'a' in the css, but defined it in an id also, would there be any reason for the id a to take over all other a's in the page, even though they are not in that id?	06:56
+perlDreamer	CSS allows you to specify styling for individual elements (specified by id) and also entire classes of HTML tags	06:57
carogray	in http://test16.mlri.org/articles all my a's are being defined by the mwlegal id which is only at the bottom of the page, when I look in firebug it shows me that the body a is over written by the MWLegal a. why would this be? If you don't know it right off the bet, don't bother, I just feel as though there si some	06:58
carogray	basic rule I am not getting	06:58
+perlDreamer	in particular, what are you seeing that you don't want to see?	06:59
carogray	well in articles there is a list of pdf's in an unordered list. They should all be blueish an underlined according to the body. However they are black and not underlined only turning color and getting underlined when hovered over - this is the MWLegal style for a's but MWLegal id is not applied until v. bottom of page	07:00
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+perlDreamer	Let me look with FireBug	07:03
+perlDreamer	looks like there is a comma missing between a:active and a:visited in the CSS	07:04
+perlDreamer	but that's not causing this problem	07:05
carogray	i thought I fixed that missing comma - perhaps it is in uncommitted version tag..	07:05
+perlDreamer	or it's cached	07:05
+perlDreamer	ah...	07:06
+perlDreamer	comma is OR	07:06
+perlDreamer	so, the CSS rule reads	07:06
+perlDreamer	#MWLegal a	07:06
+perlDreamer	OR	07:06
+perlDreamer	a:link	07:07
+perlDreamer	it is not	07:07
+perlDreamer	#MWLegal (a or a:link)	07:07
+perlDreamer	you see what I mean?	07:07
carogray	not following you	07:07
+perlDreamer	there is a line of CSS that reads	07:07
+perlDreamer	#MWLegal a, a:link, a:active a:visited	07:07
carogray	yes	07:08
carogray	ok but in my version there is a comma between actie and a:visited	07:08
+perlDreamer	that if an element matches "#MWLegal a" or "a:link" or "a:active"	07:08
+perlDreamer	#MWLegal only applies to the first element in the list	07:08
+perlDreamer	I think that you want that to say	07:09
carogray	aha, not mwlegal a:link or mwlegal a, or mwlegal a:visited	07:09
+perlDreamer	right!	07:09
carogray	right I get it...	07:09
carogray	aha so the mwlegal id is inherited by all a's because the a is in the mw id.... huh... who would have thunk it....	07:09
carogray	so the comma should fix it... strange....but cool	07:10
+perlDreamer	no, not quite	07:10
carogray	actually if I put the comma in... how do I say all of the a's in mwlegal except hover should be this way?	07:10
carogray	right I just figured out that wouldn't be right..	07:11
+perlDreamer	#mwlegal a:link, #mwlegal a:, #mwlegal a:visited	07:11
+perlDreamer	apply the ID to each one	07:11
carogray	so how DO I say all of the mwlegal a's oh right have to spell it all out... ok	07:11
carogray	one more slightly different _target is not allowed in xhtml strict?!	07:11
carogray	so can you open a link into a new window?	07:13
* perlDreamer doesn't know		07:15
+perlDreamer	you'd have to check the spec	07:15
carogray	k - thanks for all your help, will let you alone now.	07:15
carogray	perfect it worked thanks!	07:17
+perlDreamer	Haarg: I now have a successful testbench. To test this fix, I need to shove in some data that does not map back to latin-1, then try various ways of adding content to the request that handles UTF-8, right?	07:19
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SquOnk	Morning	15:48
SquOnk	Well, VET morning, anyway :-)	15:48
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+perlDreamer	KlausH: Great job on the German translation!	18:08
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+perlDreamer	does anyone know how to turn off email notifications in ITransact?	18:31
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+bartjol	whoopisidaisy	18:33
+perlDreamer	bartjol: Good morning!	18:33
+bartjol	dinner time almost	18:33
+perlDreamer	bier:30	18:33
+bartjol	I only wish	18:33
+perlDreamer	how's the VIES workflow thing coming?	18:34
+bartjol	aftyer a weekend of sailing with beaufort 5-6 and yesterday building walls I forgot to mention that I won't have the time for the VIES workflow	18:34
+bartjol	for thursday that is	18:34
+bartjol	so it is where it was last week	18:34
+perlDreamer	I don't know that I would trade boating and wall building for making workflows either ;)	18:35
+perlDreamer	I spent the weekend camping at the beach	18:36
+bartjol	and right you are	18:36
+bartjol	at http://webgui.pastebin.com/mafe839c is the workflow itself as far as I made it (with probably a lot of flaws included)	18:38
+perlDreamer	who/what is "beaufort 5-6"?	18:39
+perlDreamer	Haarg: ITransact paydriver is now working with utf8 content	18:39
+bartjol	wind force	18:39
@Haarg	nice	18:39
@Haarg	i'll have that CS email fix committed soon	18:39
+bartjol	perlDreamer: and on http://webgui.pastebin.com/m382658bd is the changed sub in TaxDriver/EU.pm	18:40
+perlDreamer	also, we may need to upgrade the driver soon. It sounds like future transactions will require an HMAC-SHA digest, and also possibly other identification keys for uniqueness	18:40
+bartjol	so I hope it's worth something	18:42
+perlDreamer	bartjol, I'll have a look at it soon.	18:42
+bartjol	I'm sorry	18:42
+perlDreamer	I need to make a tall marketing person happy first	18:42
+perlDreamer	;)	18:42
+bartjol	aah	18:43
+bartjol	well, I hope Tavis will be happy, gotta run now	18:45
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+perlDreamer	tavisto: it's fixed!	18:49
+perlDreamer	instruct your code minions to apply the patch quickly, and your woes will be lifted	18:50
@tavisto	woohoo! yeah saw your email and that made me remember to join irc :)	18:50
@tavisto	awesome, because we have like a few hundred dollars worth o' orders to process now	18:50
+perlDreamer	I'm only asking a small percent of that...	18:50
@tavisto	riiiight.. I will give you a small percentage of the lashes if you don't get back to work!	18:51
@tavisto	whip crack	18:51
+perlDreamer	zoinks!	18:51
@tavisto	thanks for helping out with that though.. peeps were getting frustrating trying to give TGC money	18:51
+perlDreamer	well, we can't have that	18:52
@tavisto	um yeah.. that's bad.	18:52
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re9e2155 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Handle UTF8 in XML data sent to ITransact. Adds a test. Fixes bug #10855. - http://bit.ly/21wIz	18:52
+perlDreamer	also, this single thing may have been preventing international adoption of WebGUI	18:52
SquOnk	lol	18:52
@tavisto	oh I see... so now you've given yourself the self-title of master eh?	18:52
+perlDreamer	since no Asian shops would work with ITransact	18:52
+perlDreamer	well, and as we found out, pieces of southern and eastern europe	18:53
@tavisto	well, I dont understand how that bug would affect domestic orders (2 different ones -- one in WI and the other in CA) but I'll have them give it a shot	18:53
+perlDreamer	it was what you were saying all along	18:54
+perlDreamer	products with certain international characters were not being handled by some code we use	18:55
@tavisto	oh, I'm not used to being right when suggesting the source of an issue	18:55
* perlDreamer looks around for an attack covered by false modesty		18:56
@tavisto	normally you just magically fix it	18:56
@tavisto	poof all better	18:56
+perlDreamer	well, poofage aside, I'll listen to you more carefully next time	19:01
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra0d2e98 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Add upgrade path from 7.6.35 to 7.7.17. - http://bit.ly/UMDSe	19:02
mducharme-work	hrm	19:35
mducharme-work	7.7 stable release coming soon?	19:35
mducharme-work	the "add upgrade path" looks promising :)	19:35
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+perlDreamer	officially, I have no comment about upgrades	19:46
mducharme-work	hehe	19:48
SynQ	during the hackaton I will work on the WRE	19:51
SynQ	is there a restaurant where you can eat those beer-cows in Madison	19:52
SynQ	?	19:52
SynQ	diner bbl	19:52
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* perlDreamer heads to the gym		20:09
SynQ	ah	20:37
SynQ	that was a nice diner	20:37
mducharme-work	?	20:53
mducharme-work	where?	20:54
mducharme-work	diners don't normally serve the healthiest food...	20:54
SynQ	dinner	20:54
SynQ	diner	20:54
SynQ	a nice dinner that was	20:54
mducharme-work	ahh dinner	20:54
mducharme-work	ok lol	20:54
SynQ	diner is the french original word for dinner	20:55
SynQ	which is also used in dutch	20:55
SynQ	as an alternative posh word for dinner	20:55
SynQ	hence the confusion	20:55
SynQ	is there going to be a 7.7 stable release candidate before the real thing will be released as stable	20:59
SynQ	?	20:59
SynQ	so that we can 'test' the upgrade path	20:59
SynQ	and fix it before we call the upgradepath robust?	21:00
@Haarg	due to the nature of the upgrades i'm not sure that is possible. but it should be testable as it exists right now.	21:01
SynQ	ah	21:01
SynQ	who is testing the upgrade and on what kind of sites?	21:01
carogray	I know I have had this answer before. but I just can't keep it all together. Ddoes something have to be turned on or something done at DNS end for a mail form on PB server to actually send mail or will it do it all by itself without having to do anything?	21:01
SynQ	since webgui.org is allready 7.7 that cannot be used as an 'upgrade testbed'	21:02
@Haarg	as long as you configure the dataform correctly it should send mail	21:02
SynQ	once 7.7 goes stable, is PlainBlack going to upgrade all their sites from 7.6 to 7.7 that same day?	21:03
SynQ	or is PB going to wait for feedback on that?	21:03
@Haarg	i'm not sure of the plan for that. it won't be immediately, but it will be pretty soon after.	21:03
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@preaction	perlDreamer: what's the plan for today?	21:44
SynQ	shout shout let it all out	22:09
SynQ	com'on	22:09
+perlDreamer	Haarg: how does a stable release differ from a regular ol' maintenance release?	22:11
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+perlDreamer	SynQ: I've tested upgrading a dev site, and it worked well	22:30
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SynQ	perlDreamer: 'a dev site'	22:32
SynQ	how many?	22:33
+perlDreamer	1	22:33
+perlDreamer	mysql -u -p < docs/create.sql	22:33
SynQ	with how much variation in content and past upgrades	22:33
+perlDreamer	none	22:33
SynQ	do you think that suffies?	22:34
+perlDreamer	if I had something better to work with, I'd use it	22:35
SynQ	is that a yes?	22:36
+perlDreamer	SynQ: it doesn't provide 100% coverage of the upgrade script. So logically, no.	22:36
SynQ	well	22:36
SynQ	that is still a political answer	22:37
SynQ	what does your gut feeling say?	22:37
SynQ	if you are confident that this suffies so am I	22:38
+perlDreamer	SynQ: I certainly wouldn't mind testing it on a site with Thingy, EMS, Products, ThingyRecord, CS, Poll, Survey, DataTables, Calendars and Shop.	22:38
SynQ	but if you feel uneasy about it	22:38
SynQ	come on	22:39
* perlDreamer is normally always a fan of more testing		22:39
SynQ	are you a politician?	22:39
+perlDreamer	no, I'm a developer with finite resources	22:39
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SynQ	hehe	22:39
SynQ	and you feel I'm driving you into a corner	22:39
+perlDreamer	yes	22:40
SynQ	I'm sorry about that	22:40
SynQ	that is not my intention	22:40
+perlDreamer	if you're willing to volunteer a site dump and upgrades, I'd run the upgrade script on it	22:40
SynQ	I just want to know what your gut feeling is	22:40
+perlDreamer	honestly, I'm about 85% confident in it	22:40
SynQ	if you say 'I would just use this upgrade script on all my production sites' I'm satisfied	22:40
SynQ	ok	22:41
SynQ	that is a great answer	22:41
SynQ	now I can ask the following question :)	22:41
SynQ	what would have to be done to get that extra 15% out of it?	22:41
@preaction	more testing in the field. which won't happen until we call it stable	22:41
+perlDreamer	I need a site with the aforementioned features	22:41
SynQ	and how much resources would that cost?	22:41
+perlDreamer	it's time, and access to sites who are willing to volunteer for an upgrade	22:42
SynQ	preaction: isn't that normally what release candidates are for?	22:42
@preaction	does anybody actually use RCs?	22:42
SynQ	I have a shop site that can be upgraded	22:42
SynQ	preaction: yes	22:42
SynQ	I do	22:42
SynQ	on my 'toy' systems	22:43
SynQ	sites like www.gevat.nl	22:43
SynQ	but if you call it RC	22:43
SynQ	at least you are communicating that you are not very sure yet that it will work	22:43
SynQ	which is fair to the users I think	22:43
+perlDreamer	that's why we call it "beta"	22:44
@preaction	is that what "beta" is?	22:44
SynQ	no	22:44
SynQ	in the WebGUI sense of 'beta'	22:44
SynQ	beta is 'a product that contains new features that are not done yet	22:44
SynQ	but there is no 'beta' upgrade script to get from 'stable 7.6' to 'stable 7.7'	22:45
SynQ	which worries me	22:45
SynQ	there is only one	22:45
SynQ	tested on only one non production site	22:45
SynQ	but if perlDreamer says 85%	22:45
SynQ	that is good enough for me	22:45
+perlDreamer	SynQ, so if the upgrade script was released at stable-1, you'd be happier?	22:46
SynQ	I do think however that it is fair to communicate that 15% to the other users	22:46
+perlDreamer	that's just my opinion	22:46
@preaction	so talk in the Presidents' meeting about a better RC schedule. right now I have no choices, it's no use to keep WebGUI as beta, there are no more shallow bugs to be found	22:46
SynQ	perlDreamer: no	22:46
SynQ	preaction: my consern can be taken away by providing an upgrade script from 'stable 7.6' to 'stable 7.7'.+1	22:47
SynQ	which contains bugfixes for the things that where broken in the first version of the upgrade script	22:47
@preaction	if there is a problem in the upgrade script from 7.6-7.7, there will be fixes in the next 7.7 release	22:48
SynQ	perlDreamer: there should not be 'only one' version of the upgrade script	22:48
@preaction	(as well as gotchas and most likely a patch if you want to use it)	22:48
SynQ	I know that	22:48
SynQ	perhaps I should give up allready	22:49
SynQ	ok	22:49
SynQ	I give up	22:49
SynQ	just release it	22:49
@preaction	i'm not the right person to be talking to really, consensus in the presidents' meeting will be more productive	22:49
SynQ	preaction: but won't that be after the fact :)	22:49
@preaction	yes, but we've got a lot ahead of us to improve on	22:50
SynQ	true	22:50
SynQ	just to resume: I'm very happy with perlDreamer's 85% gut feeling :)	22:50
+perlDreamer	perlDreamer's gut would be happier with 100%, but will have to do with another slice of pizza for lunch	22:51
SynQ	but I'll hold up upgrading my clients sites till after the wuc	22:51
SynQ	just to make sure I'm not spending all WUC fixing broken things :)	22:51
SynQ	I rather drink beer with you guys	22:53
+perlDreamer	I think I'll do the same thing	22:53
+perlDreamer	except that I don't have any client sites	22:53
SynQ	hehe	22:55
SynQ	I'm glad I don't have to do patspam's upgrades	22:55
+perlDreamer	that kristi is so methodical	22:56
+perlDreamer	We have to get her using Selenium	22:56
SynQ	what are you referring to?	22:57
SynQ	kristi is a dear	22:57
SynQ	perlDreamer: have you noticed the karma list recently?	22:57
SynQ	with ning above you	22:57
+perlDreamer	No, I haven't. Good for ning!	22:57
SynQ	the design contest is over	22:57
SynQ	without any bells and wistles	22:58
+perlDreamer	at least there was more than 1 entry	22:59
SynQ	that is true	22:59
SynQ	ah	22:59
SynQ	my parents are over	22:59
SynQ	I'll be back after coffee	22:59
SynQ	~	22:59
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carogray	Haarg: thanks for replying back when I saw you replied but didn't read carefully enough to notice it was to me... I have now tested and at the email function does work - still working on styling the form though, but function is #1 priority.	23:13
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+perlDreamer	DatePicker is fixed.	23:19
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r13c588f / (2 files in 2 dirs):	23:22
CIA-53	webgui: Fix the DateTime form control, to actually update the time when changed	23:22
CIA-53	webgui: in the text box. - http://bit.ly/Qn9WP	23:22
+perlDreamer	starting regression tests	23:34
+perlDreamer	regressions pass, except for Macro/UsersOnline	23:50
+perlDreamer	that could be a leaking test before it	23:50
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dionak	sweet!	00:12
SynQ	dionak: that's me, I can't help it ;)	00:13
SynQ	but I can assure you that my daughter is even sweeter	00:13
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CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2703deb / (t/Asset/AssetVersion.t t/Asset/Asset_version.t): Use a consistent naming convention for Asset tests. - http://bit.ly/182UWh	00:42
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+BartJol	perlDreamer: and, did you make that tall sales person happy	00:58
+perlDreamer	tavisto should be happier	00:59
+perlDreamer	although he didn't say anything...	00:59
+perlDreamer	perhaps he's waiting for someone to hot patch his server for him with that bug fix	00:59
+BartJol	and you wouldn't?	01:00
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd8ae7fc / (3 files in 3 dirs):	01:22
CIA-53	webgui: When purging an asset, clean up all version tags for this asset, which may	01:22
CIA-53	webgui: contain only this asset. Fixes #10872 - http://bit.ly/2GlEV	01:22
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+perlDreamer	Bartjol: I don't have root access _everywhere_ :)	01:34
+BartJol	But I found some cool sailing pictures	01:35
+BartJol	no?	01:35
+perlDreamer	not yet	01:35
+BartJol	strange	01:35
+perlDreamer	what cool sailing pictures?	01:35
+BartJol	http://www.fotoboot.nl/fotos/zzr09/slides/ZZR-2119.html	01:35
+BartJol	http://www.fotoboot.nl/fotos/zzr09/slides/ZZR-2191.html	01:36
+BartJol	I'm he one on the ftont in the black jacket	01:36
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+perlDreamer	it's too bad they put the watermark right on your face	01:38
+BartJol	well, if I pay, they will remove it	01:38
+BartJol	but it gives an impression on why I walk crooked	01:39
+perlDreamer	crooked?	01:40
+BartJol	with some slope	01:40
+perlDreamer	ah, because you're a sailor	01:41
+perlDreamer	you're not walking crooked, the earth is too flat	01:41
+BartJol	yes, I'm used to a floor that has a slope of 40 degrees	01:41
+BartJol	and moves	01:41
+perlDreamer	you could build your house that way, for comfort	01:41
+BartJol	when I drink I compensate for that ;)	01:42
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r838ae00 / (t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm):	01:42
CIA-53	webgui: Provide a way for tests to purge assets with all their (hidden and unreachable)	01:42
CIA-53	webgui: version tags. Fix Survey.t that was leaking versionTags. - http://bit.ly/1uASP8	01:42
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CIA-53	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rd1f8ef2 / wre/var/setupfiles/wre.conf : Annotate the next expected version. - http://bit.ly/6dsaf	01:47
CIA-53	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * re646eb1 / (4 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/wrebuild - http://bit.ly/13J6UT	01:47
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+perlDreamer	what the heck was that?	01:51
CIA-53	webgui: Graham Knop master * r6f3980a / (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed #10838: Forwarded forum post email to new CS adds reply to original thread - http://bit.ly/sirXH	01:52
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+BartJol	what?	01:52
+perlDreamer	that 2nd git commit note	01:52
+perlDreamer	when we go to git, I'm afraid I'm going to be a walking disaster for a while	01:53
+BartJol	well, you'll be ok	01:54
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+perlDreamer	first regression on source install passes	01:58
+perlDreamer	time to look at WRE	01:58
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SDuensin	preaction - I'm staying on the Colloquy guys until that stupid notice issue is fixed. :-)	02:35
@preaction	heh, good luck	02:37
SDuensin	http://colloquy.info/project/ticket/1547	02:38
SDuensin	Got the guy in IRC now.	02:38
+cap10morgan	SDuensin: i hope you convince them! seems like every other IRC client has this figured out. but colloquy is different (and worse) for no good reason.	02:45
SDuensin	You all need to pop over to #Colloquy and join the complaints. And add to my ticket!	02:46
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+perlDreamer	what if I don't use Colloquy?	02:51
SDuensin	Pretend. :-P	02:51
+perlDreamer	Ha!	02:52
+perlDreamer	hey, are you going to let me into your server so I can check out this funky, unreproducible package bug?	02:52
SDuensin	Just close it. Mark it "user is insane" or something. :-P	02:52
+perlDreamer	okay	03:15
+perlDreamer	I think you're missing out, though	03:15
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CIA-53	webgui: Graham Knop master * redae7a3 / (docs/create.sql lib/WebGUI.pm): preparing for 7.7.19 release - http://bit.ly/HZVI8	03:32
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carogray	I haven't finished yet, but I have finally almost finished. The penny has dropped thanks to the configure your own website and the WebGUI demos, but I couldn't have done it all if it weren't for you lot here on the support board. I am off to bed, but will be able to sleep through the night knowing I am nearly finished and would not be in this place if it weren't for you guys here on the support board. THANKYOU!!!! and goodnight wit	06:06
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+perlDreamer	yay! one less bug	06:46
CIA-53	webgui: Doug Bell master * radc5e69 / lib/WebGUI/Form/Codearea.pm : remove logger - http://bit.ly/30elcc	06:52
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+perlDreamer	go KlausH go!	07:56
+perlDreamer	88.8 %	07:56
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r21f4bb1 / docs/gotcha.txt : Add note about minimum upgrade requirements. - http://bit.ly/fXWgM	08:02
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra259d1e / docs/gotcha.txt : 19 > 17 - http://bit.ly/14B6qK	08:02
@Haarg	i rather like the look of this module: http://search.cpan.org/~nuffin/Try-Tiny-0.01/lib/Try/Tiny.pm	08:15
@Haarg	would be nice to use as long as moose isn't an option	08:15
+perlDreamer	Moose has try/catch syntax in it?	08:19
@Haarg	http://search.cpan.org/~ash/TryCatch-1.001001/lib/TryCatch.pm	08:20
@Haarg	it's a really nice exception catching module. but it requires moose, devel::declare and some other things.	08:21
+perlDreamer	that's pretty heavy	08:25
SynQ	well	08:25
SynQ	I say we try and see if that is not too much trouble to put unto the WRE at the hackaton	08:26
SynQ	ok?	08:26
+perlDreamer	SynQ: I am happy to report that one production site has been upgraded from 7.6 to 7.7 with no issues	08:26
@Haarg	which?	08:26
SynQ	moose	08:26
@Haarg	heh	08:26
SynQ	perlDreamer: how many % does that add to your confidence? 5? :)	08:27
+perlDreamer	putting it into the WRE, and having permission to use it in WebGUI are totally different things	08:27
@Haarg	i doubt there would be any reason it wouldn't install fine	08:27
SynQ	perlDreamer: true, but it helps	08:27
@Haarg	the issue is still memory usage, which i'm not convinced is a real problem	08:27
SynQ	Haarg: for that we would have to make an overview of how much mem each currently used perl module uses	08:28
SynQ	and see what we can shave off of the WRE	08:28
@Haarg	there's not much that could easily be removed	08:29
@Haarg	all of our prereqs are there for a reason.	08:29
SynQ	I know	08:29
SynQ	I didn't say it would be easy	08:29
mducharme1	webgui.org is currently undergoing maintenance?	08:29
+perlDreamer	yes	08:29
+perlDreamer	long, slow, painful maintenance	08:29
mducharme1	upgrade to 7.7?	08:30
+perlDreamer	wg.org is always the latest version of WebGUI	08:30
+perlDreamer	it's been 7.7 for a while	08:30
SynQ	time for breakfast	08:30
+perlDreamer	pannenkoeken?	08:30
SynQ	ah now	08:30
SynQ	bread or cornflakes with milk	08:30
mducharme1	ahh	08:30
SynQ	I'll be back	08:31
mducharme1	7.7.19 stable release tomorrow?	08:31
+perlDreamer	should be tonight	08:31
mducharme1	looks like that from the updates above..	08:31
mducharme1	ahh	08:31
+perlDreamer	it's still today here	08:31
+perlDreamer	it's not tomorrow yet	08:31
@Haarg	the thing with moose is that it adds something like 5MB to the memory usage. but that should be pre-fork so it shouldn't really matter.	08:35
+perlDreamer	would we have to write some glue code so that Moose could use Crud as an ORM?	08:42
+perlDreamer	or would we also have to start using DBIx::Class or something?	08:42
@preaction	moose is just an object system. Crud would use Moose	08:43
@preaction	crud could also use DBIx::Class	08:43
@preaction	or Crud could BE DBIx::Class (my mistake for not realizing that sooner)	08:43
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r36dd8ee / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.7.20 development. - http://bit.ly/3ww9Qp	09:13
+perlDreamer	7.7.19 is stable	09:18
+perlDreamer	'night all	09:18
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+cap10morgan	whoa, 7.7.19 is stable!? sweet. thanks team!	16:41
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+perlDreamer	morning, all	17:40
daviddelikat1	mornin	17:40
+perlDreamer	is everybody busy upgrading to the latest stable this morning?	17:41
daviddelikat1	no, I'm trying to earn some money	17:41
+perlDreamer	that's good, too	17:43
daviddelikat1	kinda quiet this morning	17:45
+perlDreamer	we were all up late last night for the stable release	17:48
+perlDreamer	except for bartjol, who was up late last night doing translations	17:49
daviddelikat1	I saw the new git repo	17:49
+bartjol	I did 1 site	17:49
daviddelikat1	I'll have to get my dev system converted	17:49
daviddelikat1	unfortunately nothing seems to be working at my dev site so I can't get anything done...	17:50
CIA-53	webgui: Graham Knop master * r4bf6180 / (4 files in 3 dirs): change versions to 7.8.0 - http://bit.ly/18Dw56	17:50
+perlDreamer	nothing seems to be working?	17:51
daviddelikat1	well, nothing that relates to what I need to fix...	17:52
+perlDreamer	what's going on?	17:52
daviddelikat1	im not sure	17:52
+perlDreamer	I'm somewhat familiar with WebGUI, I may be able to help you sort it out.	17:52
daviddelikat1	i hope i can fix it soon though	17:52
+bartjol	I did the translations today actually	17:53
daviddelikat1	well, when I click on a ticket the loadign box just sits there... no ticket...	17:53
daviddelikat1	and there are no errors	17:53
daviddelikat1	oops, I had a breakpoint set in firebug...	17:54
daviddelikat1	hate it when that happens	17:54
+perlDreamer	yeah	17:54
+bartjol	perlDreamer: somewhat familiar? I thought you were the master of Gooeys	17:54
daviddelikat1	hes being modest	17:55
daviddelikat1	it never really works	17:55
daviddelikat1	because people see right through it	17:55
+perlDreamer	I spent about half an hour looking up key bindings so I could debug the DatePicker	17:55
+bartjol	so? what do you want to prove?	18:05
+perlDreamer	just empathasizing with FireBug stuff	18:06
+perlDreamer	I was trying to use the debugger	18:06
+perlDreamer	but the JS widget I was debugging had an onChange action setup	18:06
+perlDreamer	so I'd make a change, try to click the debugger controls, which would make the form lose focus	18:07
+perlDreamer	and clicking in the form would call onChange again	18:07
+perlDreamer	so I had to track down the keyboard bindings	18:07
+perlDreamer	which aren't documented in FireBug itself, but in a webpage in their docs	18:07
daviddelikat1	does the safari debugger do any better?	18:07
daviddelikat1	the problem with firebug is that it is written in javascript	18:08
daviddelikat1	and it causes some things to happen just by using it...	18:08
+perlDreamer	preaction's blog post would indicate that the safari debugger rocks	18:09
daviddelikat1	but is is implemented in JS? I have not used it much, but I think that it is, and so would suffer most of the same issues	18:10
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@Haarg	i would expect it isn't	18:10
daviddelikat1	the design might be better, but...	18:10
daviddelikat1	I guess I'll have to try using it more	18:10
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@Haarg	i haven't actually used safari's, but firebug's debugger is pretty poor.	18:11
daviddelikat1	the only really good debugger will be integrated into the JS engine	18:12
daviddelikat1	of course that can be done badly as well	18:12
@Haarg	well, firebug is using the hooks designed for js debugging that are built in to the javascript engine.	18:17
daviddelikat1	oddly enough I probably don't know enough about this to have a valid opinion about it...	18:19
daviddelikat1	I just can't seem to get any decent debugging like I do in C and other favored languages...	18:20
+perlDreamer	C been around a bit longer	18:21
+perlDreamer	but yeah, you'd think they could leverage it	18:21
@Haarg	i still tend to not use debugging at all. i always end up just sticking warns, alerts, etc around in code to test stuff.	18:21
@Haarg	last time i did much interactive debugging was visual basic	18:21
daviddelikat1	I find that messages are better also, I just don't seem to be able to get things to work in JS	18:22
CIA-53	wrebuild: JT Smith master * r280878c / wre/docs/install.txt : made a note about wre console port - http://bit.ly/bvRdO	18:22
CIA-53	wrebuild: JT Smith master * r78ff9bb / (2 files): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/wrebuild - http://bit.ly/199rZB	18:22
daviddelikat1	a functions gotta get called before it puts up any messages...	18:22
daviddelikat1	one of the curses of event driven programming	18:22
+perlDreamer	git pull will fetch&merge all branches, or only the branch I'm currently in?	18:23
@Haarg	just the current branch	18:23
+perlDreamer	and similarly with push?	18:25
@Haarg	yes	18:25
@Haarg	you can push arbitrary branches by doing 'git push origin master webgui-7.7'	18:25
@Haarg	which pushes master and webgui-7.7 to origin, which is the default name of the remote you cloned from	18:26
@Haarg	wait	18:27
@Haarg	sorry, i forgot i configured mine differently	18:28
@Haarg	'git push' by default will push all matching branches	18:28
@Haarg	so everything you have locally that came from the remote it will push	18:28
@Haarg	it can be configured to do other things though	18:29
+perlDreamer	pushing everything sounds easy, but dangerous	18:29
+perlDreamer	maybe we should also have a recommended git config?	18:29
@Haarg	i was just working on that actually	18:29
* perlDreamer will proceed slowly and carefully in the meantime		18:30
+perlDreamer	is the capitalization of /data/webgui significant?	18:31
@Haarg	nope	18:31
daviddelikat1	the simple thing to do ( I think) is only commit what you really want to check in	18:31
daviddelikat1	cuz if it aint been committed it wont get pushed	18:31
+perlDreamer	that's not a bad policy, but there are times that unpushed version history would have helped me a lot	18:33
@Haarg	unpushed version history?	18:34
daviddelikat1	I can definitely understand that,	18:35
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1b9c2f3 / (3 files in 3 dirs): fix 10838, AdSku template variable help. - http://bit.ly/NArYz	18:37
+perlDreamer	I was working on some file, then made changes to it, and wanted to revert back to exactly what I had before	18:38
+perlDreamer	doing that in SVN is hard	18:38
+perlDreamer	doing that in git is easy	18:38
+perlDreamer	except for all the commits which get pushed afterward	18:38
+perlDreamer	and I understand that those can be squashed if necessary	18:38
daviddelikat1	so is it possible to tell git to push only a spec commit?	18:40
+perlDreamer	how does conflict resolution work in git?	18:40
@Haarg	daviddelikat1, yes	18:42
@Haarg	for conflict resolution, you have to be fully up to date before you push	18:42
daviddelikat1	that seems to me like the next simplest solution	18:42
+perlDreamer	Haarg, I merged in that commit to the 7.7 branch, and there was a merge conflict in the changelog.	18:43
daviddelikat1	so git pull/fetch before git push?	18:43
@Haarg	when you say merge, you mean cherry-pick or something else?	18:43
+perlDreamer	so what's the git analogue to "svn resolved"	18:43
@Haarg	git add	18:43
daviddelikat1	does the conflict come during a push or commit?	18:45
daviddelikat1	or pull?	18:45
@Haarg	pull	18:45
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra665ef4 / (3 files in 3 dirs): fix 10838, AdSku template variable help. - http://bit.ly/qJO6y	18:45
+perlDreamer	cherry-pick	18:45
daviddelikat1	seems like any one of the trhee could result in conflict	18:45
@Haarg	or any of the other merge type commands	18:45
+perlDreamer	I _think_ that was done cleanly	18:46
@Haarg	commit is local only	18:46
@Haarg	so there isn't really any possibility of a conflict	18:46
@Haarg	push will only function if you are up to date	18:46
daviddelikat1	what if I did a fetch?	18:46
@Haarg	fetch only updates the remote branches, not any local tracking branches you have	18:46
@Haarg	you never make changes to the remote branches themselves	18:47
daviddelikat1	I thought fetch brought down items without updating the working files..	18:48
@Haarg	there is basically 'master on github' -> 'origin/master as remote branch (local)' -> 'master, your local tracking branch'	18:48
@Haarg	correct	18:48
daviddelikat1	so I could have something different in my local copy of the repo than is in my working files?	18:48
daviddelikat1	wouldn't that leave open the possibility of a conflict?	18:49
@Haarg	locally, you have origin/master. it represents the last known state of master on the remote system.	18:49
@Haarg	you never make changes to it directly	18:50
@Haarg	it get updated by a fetch or a push though	18:50
@Haarg	your local master branch is separate from that	18:50
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@Haarg	your local master branch is where you commit, and will diverge from origin/master	18:50
daviddelikat1	so fetch updates local/master but commit updates something else?	18:50
daviddelikat1	I see	18:50
daviddelikat1	much clearer	18:51
daviddelikat1	thanks	18:51
@Haarg	when you want to push, it can't work unless origin/master is up to date with the remote system. i don't remember, but it may do an automatic fetch to make sure of that.	18:51
@Haarg	once origin/master is up to date, it will merge your changes onto that through various means	18:52
@Haarg	and then push will upload your changes to the remote server and update origin/master and master on the remote system	18:53
@Haarg	perlDreamer, http://gist.github.com/179782	18:54
+perlDreamer	alias.st is in there twice	18:55
@Haarg	does that need more explanation?	18:55
@Haarg	oop	18:55
+perlDreamer	I think people will grok ignoring and colorizing	18:56
+perlDreamer	but the tracking and pushing sections could use a little more explanation as to what they will do	18:57
@Haarg	well	18:57
@Haarg	the pushing thing makes it so it will push the current branch if it is set up as a tracking branch	18:57
@Haarg	which leads into explaining what a tracking branch is	18:57
@bopbop	up, perldreamer?	18:58
@Haarg	branch.autosetuprebase remote means when you do a pull, instead of a merge it does a rebase	18:58
@bopbop	um, I mean...	18:58
@bopbop	not up	18:58
@bopbop	I have a question when you have a chance	18:58
+perlDreamer	I'm here and ready to apologize for bugs	18:58
@bopbop	:)	18:58
@Haarg	which means it tries to apply your commits to the end of the remote branch instead of just doing a merge	18:59
@Haarg	and you end up with a more linear history	18:59
@bopbop	can you go here: http://betatraining.plainblack.com/home/shop/ems	18:59
@bopbop	and click on schdule	18:59
@bopbop	schedule	18:59
@bopbop	see how it says Special Presenter 2 in all columns?	18:59
@bopbop	does that seem right?	18:59
@Haarg	if you look at the wrebuild history for example, there are lots of 'merged master' commits that don't really add anything and just make the history more confusing. it would basically eliminate those.	19:00
+perlDreamer	Haarg: I've been seeing those from CIA.	19:00
@Haarg	yeah	19:00
+perlDreamer	bopbop, they don't seem right	19:00
@bopbop	Jan 17 looks better	19:00
@bopbop	I'll post a bug for now then	19:01
+perlDreamer	bopbop: yes, but there are empty columns, too	19:01
+perlDreamer	I'd recommend packaging up that EMS and making a bug report	19:01
@bopbop	ok	19:01
+perlDreamer	daviddelikat1, do you have a moment?	19:01
daviddelikat1	sorry, for snooping bopbop, but how do you like the schedule tables?	19:01
daviddelikat1	I do	19:02
* mducharme-work prepares to upgrade his servers to 7.7....		19:02
+perlDreamer	could you take a peek at the schedule dispaly on bopbop's site?	19:02
+perlDreamer	http://betatraining.plainblack.com/home/shop/ems	19:02
daviddelikat1	I'm looking already	19:02
@Haarg	http://blog.woobling.org/2009/08/git-rebase-for-impatient.html and http://blog.woobling.org/2009/05/git-rebase-considered-awesome.html explain mostly why i think using rebase for pulls is a good idea	19:02
daviddelikat1	I couldn't help peaking since I've never seen it in use...	19:03
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daviddelikat1	does not look ok to me	19:03
@Haarg	i'm just not certain if i can explain those entries in a concise enough format to make it worthwhile.	19:05
mducharme-work	hmm in the webgui gotchas file under 7.7.7 it lists: * WebGUI now requires JavsScript::Minifier::XS 0.05	19:06
daviddelikat1	Haarg: I think if you just comment that it makes a cleaner history that will suffice	19:06
mducharme-work	is that supposed to say JavaScript and not JavsScript?	19:06
+bartjol	mducharme-work: I suspect a type-o	19:07
+bartjol	from testEnvironment.pl: checkModule("JavaScript::Minifier::XS", "0.05" );	19:09
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mducharme-work	ok	19:11
+perlDreamer	Haarg, in that case, just add the links as rationale	19:12
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CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7b15f13 / docs/gotcha.txt : Fix a spelling typo. - http://bit.ly/Di57K	19:13
@bopbop	daviddelikat1: I think the look of it is nice...but yeah, it's busted atm	19:14
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r0b1f509 / docs/gotcha.txt : Fix a spelling typo. - http://bit.ly/3RFLZI	19:14
daviddelikat1	I'm not sure what it will do with only one event location, I'm trying it out on my test site	19:14
+perlDreamer	mducharme-work: fixed that typo	19:15
mducharme-work	perlDreamer: thanks, that was quick :)	19:16
mducharme-work	are you colin kuskie?	19:16
+perlDreamer	I am today.	19:16
mducharme-work	lol	19:16
+perlDreamer	tomorrow, based on the sentiments of Mrs. Kuskie, I could be mud.	19:16
mducharme-work	hehe	19:17
mducharme-work	woo, well here goes nothing	19:17
daviddelikat1	theres no shame in mud, we all wear it now and trhen	19:17
mducharme-work	7.7 here we come	19:17
mducharme-work	it'd help if I'm running mysql first probably	19:17
mducharme-work	lol	19:17
mducharme-work	if mysql was running rather	19:17
@Haarg	perlDreamer, http://gist.github.com/179782	19:18
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+perlDreamer	mducharme-work: one big caveat about upgrading to 7.7	19:18
+perlDreamer	you absolutely must upgrade to 7.6.35 first	19:18
mducharme-work	I was already on the latest 7.6 version	19:18
+perlDreamer	and the upgrade from 7.7.18 to 7.7.19 can take a while	19:18
mducharme-work	which was 7.6.35 yes	19:19
+perlDreamer	that looks good, Haarg.	19:21
daviddelikat1	perlDreamer: I have just made an event and mine looks OK, http://delikat.homeip.net:8080/ not sure what to think...	19:22
mducharme-work	no errors visible in the upgrade output, upgrade is done	19:22
mducharme-work	testing sites	19:22
+perlDreamer	there's a package of bopbop's EMS in the bug report	19:22
mducharme-work	wtf is a file pump	19:23
mducharme-work	heh	19:23
daviddelikat1	perhaps I will work on that since I cant get help desk to cooperate with me right now...	19:23
@preaction	Haarg: if you have time, could you add a README file to WGDev with install instructions so that it shows up on github?	19:24
+perlDreamer	file pump is a way to reduce page load times	19:24
@bopbop	daviddelikat1: you have empty columns, though	19:25
+perlDreamer	it clumps up and minimizes your javascript, CSS and other files	19:25
@Haarg	i've been meaning to do that. right now it autogenerates the readme through Module::Build, but that's not a very good way to go	19:25
daviddelikat1	yes, that can be configured away	19:25
@bopbop	and where's your badge>	19:25
daviddelikat1	but at least all the stuff lines up the way it should	19:25
daviddelikat1	I only added the meeting/ticket item...	19:26
@bopbop	in mine, the first two dates are goofy, but my last date looks like yours	19:26
daviddelikat1	it is not quite right either though	19:26
daviddelikat1	the first column is empty	19:26
daviddelikat1	I'll try uploading the package you posted with the bug report and see how it goes...	19:27
+perlDreamer	is 7.8 considered a "minor" version?	19:27
@preaction	yes	19:27
@preaction	Major.Minor.Bugfix	19:27
@bopbop	ok, and see how in mine, the column below the location is empty?	19:27
+perlDreamer	so that means I can fix this: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10549	19:27
@bopbop	I'm gonna double check my tickets and make sure I didn't screw anything up in there, but they should be ok	19:27
+perlDreamer	daviddelikat1: there's a package of that EMS in the bug report, if you want exactly what bopbop has on her site.	19:28
daviddelikat1	if there is any problems with the data it should have required a user edit to fix it and so is another bug...	19:28
@bopbop	AND, my dates are wrong	19:28
+perlDreamer	but first, the aforeunmentioned Ad and Ad Sales work!	19:29
@bopbop	my tickets are scheduled for September, and the schedule is displaying January	19:29
@bopbop	I'm headed there next perlDreamer :)	19:29
mducharme-work	hrm	19:29
mducharme-work	I have a server that is running the webgui vmware image	19:29
mducharme-work	I can't install Digest::SHA on it	19:29
mducharme-work	it says "cc: command not found"	19:30
+perlDreamer	did you install a C compiler?	19:30
mducharme-work	another guy set this up with the vmware image	19:30
@bopbop	daviddelikat1: are you saying report a second bug re. dates?	19:30
mducharme-work	what distro is this running?	19:30
mducharme-work	heh	19:30
+perlDreamer	I believe it's CentOS	19:30
daviddelikat1	i'm looking into it...	19:30
@bopbop	ok	19:30
+perlDreamer	cat /etc/redhat-*	19:30
mducharme-work	I'm doing a yum install gcc	19:31
mducharme-work	will see if that takes care of it	19:31
mducharme-work	I would imagine cc is just a symlink to gcc	19:31
@preaction	http://www.webgui.org/develop/forum/let-testing-reign <- anybody want to weigh in before the world gets to it?	19:32
CIA-53	wgdev: translation * r12320 /translations/German/German/PayDriver_ExpressCheckout.pm: Update from translation server	19:33
@Haarg	oop	19:34
@Haarg	preaction, did you see the stuff i said over skype?	19:34
@preaction	which stuff?	19:34
@preaction	oh, now i see	19:35
@Haarg	about upgrades/packages/extras	19:35
@preaction	yes, that's why i put the quantifier "probably" on my exceptions clause	19:35
@preaction	there are those two things that can't be well tested	19:35
@preaction	some template changes can't be well tested, especially template CSS compatibility issues	19:36
@preaction	and testing upgrades is something that i've got an itch i'll be scratching soon i hope	19:36
+perlDreamer	any exclusions should be documented	19:38
+perlDreamer	even for Selenium tests	19:38
+perlDreamer	how many/which browsers do we have to test in Selenium?	19:38
@preaction	JT's telling me right now that UI-level tests are exempt	19:38
mducharme-work	that did it...	19:39
+perlDreamer	good :)	19:43
mducharme-work	woohoo, now all my servers are running 7.7	19:44
mducharme-work	now I just have to figure out this storymanager thing	19:44
+perlDreamer	start by adding a Story Archive to your site	19:45
mducharme-work	ok, a quick question, about how I can do something with the storymanager	19:45
+perlDreamer	sure!	19:45
mducharme-work	or rather whether or not I can do something with it	19:45
mducharme-work	at the moment, my site has a news page.. I have a shortcut on the main page that overrides to one threat per page to only show the topmost news article on the main page	19:45
mducharme-work	er, thread	19:45
mducharme-work	is that possible with story manager too?	19:46
@preaction	yes	19:46
+perlDreamer	you should be able to shortcut a StoryArchive and do the same thing	19:46
@preaction	you can use the Story Topic asset to pull stories from the Story Archives	19:47
mducharme-work	ahh!	19:47
+perlDreamer	or, you could use RSS and the SyndicatedContent asset to do it	19:47
mducharme-work	that might be exactly what I want	19:47
mducharme-work	ok	19:47
+perlDreamer	this thing is very flexible	19:47
daviddelikat1	bopbop: 2 of the three events have a blank location	19:47
mducharme-work	yeah I used to get race conditions with RSS and syndicatedcontent	19:47
mducharme-work	a long time ago, so I've been nervous about that since	19:47
mducharme-work	heh	19:47
daviddelikat1	i'm not sure if this should be dis-allowed, but it seems to me that it should	19:48
+perlDreamer	well, locations aren't currently required by EMS. They're optional.	19:50
daviddelikat1	that is what I meant by a data bug report	19:50
daviddelikat1	in that case the schedule needs to be fixed to handle that correctly	19:51
daviddelikat1	it currently uses the name of the location to fill the cells in the table	19:52
daviddelikat1	that is why it shows up in all the columns except the one that is not blank	19:52
daviddelikat1	the one at my dev site has been fixed	19:52
daviddelikat1	then there is the date issue	19:52
+perlDreamer	maybe if the location is blank, they should all be lumped into 1 column	19:53
daviddelikat1	most definitely a bug	19:53
+perlDreamer	well...	19:53
+perlDreamer	this comes back to the age-old issue of letting the user shoot themselves in the foot.	19:53
+perlDreamer	if they don't specify a location, and the times clash, the schedule is going to be bad.	19:54
@bopbop	I entered extra locations	19:54
daviddelikat1	that is what I thouhg, but the code needs to do something special with the blank location so that it doesn't show up everywhere...	19:54
@bopbop	it looks better, butt	19:54
@bopbop	but	19:54
@bopbop	:)	19:54
@bopbop	the dates are still wrong	19:54
@bopbop	so, me thinks the date thing is a bug separate from the initial one	19:54
daviddelikat1	yes	19:54
@bopbop	sorry, I just submitted an untitled ticket	19:57
+perlDreamer	np, you can edit it after the fact in admin mode	19:58
daviddelikat1	I'm working on that too	19:58
@bopbop	k- I'll do that	19:58
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elnino_	hi! what do you guys call the acordion menu that is shown on the left when in admin mode?	20:00
+perlDreamer	Admin Bar	20:00
+perlDreamer	re autocommit, in the settings you can also turn off comments	20:00
elnino_	i know, i just figured it would be ignored when auto committing.	20:01
elnino_	sorry so slow in typing, I'm one handed right now. =(	20:01
+perlDreamer	what happened?!	20:02
elnino_	baby. =)	20:02
+perlDreamer	oh, I thought you'd had a mountain climbing accident or something	20:02
+perlDreamer	errant use of can opener	20:02
+perlDreamer	wild dog attack	20:02
elnino_	so, did you know that the admin bar was missing while in asset manager? way bak in 7.6.27?	20:03
+perlDreamer	yes, I remember that bug	20:03
elnino_	lol. no baby is adventurous enough right now for me. =)	20:03
elnino_	ok. I didn't want to duplicate a bug report. thanks.	20:04
mducharme-work	wha	20:04
mducharme-work	there's no way to attach files to a news article with this?	20:04
mducharme-work	with the story manager	20:04
+perlDreamer	no, just images so far.	20:04
elnino_	s/no/no,	20:04
+perlDreamer	that would be a great RFE, though	20:05
+perlDreamer	and since 7.8 is open for development....	20:05
mducharme-work	hrm	20:06
mducharme-work	I can't even seem to attach an image	20:06
mducharme-work	it asks me for the URL, I paste it in, it doesn't appear	20:06
+perlDreamer	URL? That is a URL for the rendered photo to link to	20:07
+perlDreamer	use the file upload field to add an image to the Story	20:07
mducharme-work	ahh!	20:08
mducharme-work	so I'm supposed to see a file upload field of some kind	20:08
+perlDreamer	yes	20:08
mducharme-work	I don't	20:08
mducharme-work	lol	20:08
CIA-53	WebGUI: translation * r12321 /translations/German/German/ (3 files): Update from translation server	20:09
mducharme-work	in neither IE nor firefox	20:09
+perlDreamer	mducharme-work, since I can't see the VM you're using, how about setting up a beta demo site to play with?	20:09
+perlDreamer	http://beta.webgui.org	20:09
+perlDreamer	setup the Story Archive there, and then give me the URL so i can see what you're seeing	20:10
mducharme-work	ahh	20:11
mducharme-work	the webgui demo site has browse and remove buttons for the photo	20:12
mducharme-work	those are missing on mine	20:12
mducharme-work	I cannot replicate the issue with the webgui beta demo site becuase it has those buttons	20:12
mducharme-work	do you want a sign in for my site so you can see?	20:13
+perlDreamer	sure!	20:13
+perlDreamer	you can do that?	20:13
mducharme-work	yes	20:14
mducharme-work	I msged you the info	20:17
mducharme-work	you should be able to see the problem from there, I have the issue with firefox or IE, doesn't matter which	20:17
mducharme-work	bizarre, isn't it?	20:19
+perlDreamer	I see it	20:20
+perlDreamer	which version of 7.7 did you install?	20:20
@bopbop	can anyone tell me if there's anything special you have to do before you can use a Paypal payment method in Shop? Is there a merchant account or anything that you have to get from them?	20:20
mducharme-work	whatever the current stable is	20:20
mducharme-work	the buttons are missing on my other server too	20:22
mducharme-work	all the websites I'm running are missing the buttons	20:22
mducharme-work	browse and remove...	20:22
+perlDreamer	I have a handle on it, and I'm tracking it down	20:22
* SynQ hugs preaction		20:33
@preaction	er... hi	20:35
SynQ	http://www.webgui.org/develop/forum/let-testing-reign	20:35
SynQ	for that post only I'll buy you a beer	20:35
@preaction	yeah, i guessed ;)	20:35
+perlDreamer	ah, but will you write tests? ;)	20:40
SynQ	perlDreamer: in fact, I would like you to help me to write some WRE related tests during the hackaton	20:40
SynQ	if you please	20:40
+perlDreamer	I'm already 3-booked, but I'll do what I can :)	20:41
SynQ	how many tentacles have you got?	20:41
+perlDreamer	2	20:41
SynQ	that's odd	20:41
SynQ	I thought you where mr. gooey himself	20:41
+perlDreamer	I compensate for my disability by typing fast	20:42
SynQ	ah	20:42
SynQ	I compensate by speaking fast ;)	20:43
SynQ	but now its dinnertime	20:43
ckotil	I was getting wierd Linux::Smaps errors in modperl.error, will adding $Apache2::SizeLimit::USE_SMAPS = 0;	21:00
ckotil	cause me any headaches?	21:00
@Haarg	it shouldn't	21:01
mducharme-work	perldreamer is it something wrong in the code, or something with the database	21:02
+perlDreamer	it's in the database, a template to be exact	21:02
ckotil	k. also im seeing a lot of httpd process too big, exiting messages. is it safe to raise the max_process size value in modperl.pl ?	21:02
ckotil	or should i just ignore those messages all together?	21:02
@preaction	provided the SECONDS is over 1000, that's fine	21:04
@preaction	if it's under 1000, you might want to raise it	21:04
ckotil	seconds is set to 5	21:05
ckotil	check every 5 seconds. these are stock values in the 0.93 wre	21:05
@preaction	no, in the message	21:05
@preaction	in the config, it's REQUESTS, and that's set to 5	21:05
ckotil	ah, yes, it is.	21:05
ckotil	exiting at SIZE=80896/100000 KB SHARE=2512/0 KB UNSHARED=78384/75000 KB REQUESTS=6 LIFETIME=0 seconds	21:06
ckotil	ive got a navigation asset doing a lot of work ;)	21:06
@preaction	yeah, you want to raise the unshared size	21:07
@Haarg	you will want to raise the unshared limit	21:08
ckotil	k. ill give it a shot. thanks guys/	21:08
@Haarg	the problem is that since Smaps isn't available, it can't detect the shared portion properly	21:08
ckotil	yah, the issue with smamps is a bug in rhel.	21:08
ckotil	webgui couldnt open the /proc/####/smaps file. because of read permissions	21:09
ckotil	smaps was owned by root, and httpd runs as user webgui.	21:10
@Haarg	yeah	21:10
ckotil	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=322881	21:17
ckotil	not much movement on this in a good while	21:18
ckotil	not seeing the httpd child process killed messages anymore.	21:27
+perlDreamer	at this rate, Red Hat is going to make a pretty convincing argument to start using Ubuntu	21:32
mducharme-work	or opensuse	21:33
+perlDreamer	well, not for me	21:33
+perlDreamer	I used Suse for a while, and I don't like the way they do config files	21:33
mducharme-work	I use suse for just about everything except webgui	21:33
ckotil	we're all rhel	21:35
+perlDreamer	RH's perl has major speed issues running PerlCritic code	21:36
+perlDreamer	I have a perl script that runs in 40 minutes	21:36
+perlDreamer	it only take somebody on MacOS a few minutes to run it	21:36
+perlDreamer	and the problem is known, and posted on RHEL's boards	21:37
ckotil	the bless overload bug?	21:38
+perlDreamer	yeah, that one	21:38
ckotil	or something new	21:38
mducharme-work	the config structure in apache in suse is quite complicated	21:38
ckotil	i believe it's fixed now	21:38
mducharme-work	it makes sense once you get used to it	21:38
mducharme-work	but at first it's very complicated	21:38
mducharme-work	heh	21:38
+perlDreamer	ckotil, then maybe the issue is only in Fedora Core	21:39
ckotil	the fix came out only a few months ago for the latest red hat	21:39
+perlmonkey2	well crap, the svn repo is now defunct?	22:02
@Haarg	yes	22:02
+perlmonkey2	Any useful guides for converting the svn local to git?	22:03
+perlmonkey2	or just regrab it?	22:03
@preaction	just regrab it, you can't convert	22:03
+perlDreamer	regrab, it's pretty fast	22:03
+perlmonkey2	aye aye	22:04
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+perlmonkey2	does the git repo contain a 7.6 branch?	22:17
+perlmonkey2	would be really nice to just be able to git checkout 7.6	22:18
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+perlDreamer	it has 7.5, 7.6, 7.7, flux and several other branches	22:21
@Haarg	it does contain a 7.6 branch, but there won't be any new releases from that branch	22:25
@preaction	flux should probably be a fork	22:28
@Haarg	the main reason flux and crypt are there is so i could get the svn part in line with the git part. patspam is free to do with them as he likes now.	22:32
@Haarg	preaction (or anyone else), if you have any git-svn branches and would like to move them over to the real git repo let me know	22:33
@preaction	i'll make a fork for mine, better that way	22:34
@preaction	the webgui project should have only mainline stuff	22:34
@Haarg	where you push them to doesn't really matter, i just mean if they have more changes than you want to deal with in patch form, moving the commits to the new repo	22:35
@preaction	ah, no, i should be able to handle it (but if i can't, i'll let you know)	22:36
@preaction	though perhaps my collaboration-fixes branch should get moved	22:36
@preaction	isn't the git-svn a normal git repo? couldn't i push the branches to matching branches in my own fork?	22:37
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@Haarg	it is a git repo, but it doesn't have the same history	22:37
@preaction	ahh	22:37
@Haarg	you wouldn't want to just merge them together for instance. you'd want to use some variation of rebase.	22:38
@preaction	right, i keep forgetting about rebase	22:38
@Haarg	probably with the --onto option	22:39
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+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: I think your gist took down github.	23:12
+perlDreamer	huh?	23:13
mducharme-work	tracked down the cause yet, perlDreamer?	23:13
+perlmonkey2	I saw the rss of your gist, went to github, saw it was down.	23:13
+perlDreamer	mducharme-work: it's something with the merged upgrade package	23:13
+perlDreamer	still tracking it down, to make sure it wasn't a widespread problem	23:13
mducharme-work	ok	23:15
mducharme-work	oh well, I guess that's what I get for being bleeding edge :)	23:16
mducharme-work	hehe	23:16
+perlDreamer	if you want to play with it now, track down the Edit Story template inside the Story Archive settings	23:16
+perlDreamer	edit that template	23:16
mducharme-work	nah I can wait	23:16
+perlDreamer	change imgUploadForm to newUploadForm	23:16
mducharme-work	I set up a story topic to pull stories from the archive but it doesn't seem to pull anything	23:16
mducharme-work	obviously I did something wrong there	23:17
+perlDreamer	need to assign keywords to the story, and the story topic that match	23:17
@preaction	perhaps if the story topic has no stories, it could show a message that says how to add stories to the topic?	23:17
+perlDreamer	that's not a bad idea, but I think the message should only be shown if you're in admin mode	23:18
+perlDreamer	it's possible for a topic to go empty	23:18
+perlDreamer	and be valid	23:18
@preaction	i was thinking if ( $self->canEdit ) { // show message } else { // no message }	23:18
@preaction	or if $self->canPost or whatever	23:19
+perlDreamer	can't post to a topic	23:19
+perlDreamer	but I think we agree that some kind of permission needs to gate that message	23:19
@preaction	you know, i'm starting to miss the online help distributed with webgui	23:19
+perlDreamer	I think we need to mandate that all new features get 1 wiki page	23:20
+perlDreamer	not a lot of docs, but at least something to help people out	23:20
mducharme-work	the default templates for storymanager are not nearly as nice as the ones shown in that screenshot that was posted online before	23:21
@preaction	i have a better idea, we can talk about at the WUC. upgrade the translation server to add a Help section, export that as HTML and include it in WebGUI (we removed it only to get rid of the memory it used, which was substantial)	23:21
@preaction	but why does Help need to use memory at all? why not make it HTML pages?	23:21
mducharme-work	hrm I suppose it's not possible to change the time of a news article	23:21
mducharme-work	on btw perlDreamer when I did the upgrade and it was changing templates, I did get a template not found error	23:22
mducharme-work	it said skipping	23:22
mducharme-work	I figured it was nothing at the time	23:22
+perlDreamer	that's can be valid. It's in the gotchas	23:22
mducharme-work	Unable to instanciate templateId: PBtmpl0000000000000048. Skipping...DONE!	23:22
mducharme-work	in case that helps...	23:23
mducharme-work	I don't suppose it's possible to change the date for a story without manually editing the backend db	23:29
+perlDreamer	no	23:29
+perlDreamer	it works on when the story was created, or last edited	23:30
mducharme-work	eh.. I don't like that	23:30
mducharme-work	I know collaboration system did the same thing but	23:30
mducharme-work	it was understandable with something like forums, to not have control over that	23:32
mducharme-work	perldreamer it looks like the problem is also causing issues with the story display	23:37
mducharme-work	I'm seeing: Last Updated ago	23:37
mducharme-work	By <blank>	23:37
mducharme-work	more wrong variable names in the template, I guess	23:37
+perlDreamer	yes, that's likely	23:37
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@tavisto	perlDreamer is the man.	00:01
+perlDreamer	tall marketing person is _happy_	00:01
@tavisto	hah I'm almost always happy	00:02
@tavisto	even when things run amok	00:02
+perlDreamer	even if there are Shop bugs?	00:02
@tavisto	well yeah, then I'm just motivated to get them fixed :)	00:02
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mducharme-work	aurgh, I hate switching between windows and linux, I keep typing dir in linux and ls in windows	00:04
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@Haarg	i used to have aliases and stuff set up on windows for ls/mv/rm/cp etc	00:06
@Haarg	luckily i haven't had to do a lot of windows command line work in a while	00:06
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+perlDreamer	what's the git equivalent of svn revert -R .	00:42
@Haarg	git reset --hard HEAD	00:43
+perlDreamer	thanks	00:55
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@preaction	Haarg, perlDreamer: Should we put changelog entries for 7.7.20 under 7.7.20 in both branches?	01:36
@Haarg	no	01:37
@Haarg	master should have a 7.8.0 heading already	01:37
@preaction	it does, yes	01:37
+perlDreamer	it does	01:37
@Haarg	or is that not what you were asking	01:37
@preaction	i guess i don't know why/how we merge the changelogs	01:38
+perlDreamer	how is easy	01:38
+perlDreamer	it's fixed in two different versions at the same time	01:38
+perlDreamer	once in 7.8.0, and once in 7.7.20	01:38
+perlDreamer	when you close the bug in the board, you note which versions the bug is fixed in	01:39
@preaction	eh, i'll just not rock the boat on this one	01:39
@Haarg	i really want to change how we do changelogs but it would probably mean more work when doing a release	01:39
+perlDreamer	lately, after talks with steveo_aa, I've been adding bug numbers to commits and svn revs to the helpdesk	01:40
@preaction	that's a good idea, perlDreamer	01:40
+perlDreamer	the credit goes to steveo_aa. It would have saved him a lot of log grepping if it was documented more clearly	01:41
CIA-53	webgui: Doug Bell master * re502e77 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix #10873: Code editor breaks CSS comments - http://bit.ly/3ABRX1	01:44
CIA-53	webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * rf9829e8 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix #10873: Code editor breaks CSS comments - http://bit.ly/10dHVX	01:44
@preaction	perlDreamer: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10549 <- is this can be closed then?	01:53
+perlDreamer	yes, after the new module is added to testEnv, and the right EMS import routine, with tests	01:53
+perlDreamer	oh, and then we have to tell JT and SynQ so that add it to the WRE	01:54
@preaction	we should open those as bugs against the WRE ("Missing new module: Whatever")	01:56
@preaction	we should avoid just telling a person something as often as possible, keep things trackable	01:56
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+perlDreamer	preaction: but if they use testEnv to validate the WRE, we shouldn't need a separate bug to track that?	02:33
@preaction	true, i guess we don't need it	02:41
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SDuensin	The upgrade is scaring me. It's going nuts! :-)	02:47
+perlDreamer	well, nuts is better than bananas	02:47
SDuensin	Yea. So far, no bananas.	02:48
* SDuensin ain't fallin' for no bananas in the tailpipe.		02:48
+perlDreamer	which part is it going nuts over?	02:48
SDuensin	Purging things, making fields bigger for more evil JSON in the database, etc.	02:48
+perlDreamer	hm. the part about purging old version tags does take a while	02:49
SDuensin	Pre-packing takes the longest. Whatever that is.	02:49
+perlDreamer	ah, that's a performance improvement	02:49
+perlDreamer	it removes whitespace and comments from templates so that less data is sent	02:50
SDuensin	Cool.	02:50
+perlDreamer	it's good stuff, but converting all the templates takes a bit	02:50
+perlDreamer	it only happens during the upgrade though	02:50
SDuensin	I assume when it's purging old templates that it looks to see they're not being used first?	02:50
+perlDreamer	it updates things that use it to use the new templates	02:51
SDuensin	Cool. Even better.	02:51
SDuensin	Wish I could attend the WUC. Sounds like good things are going to be happening.	02:53
+perlDreamer	yeah, it's been quite fun in the past	02:53
SDuensin	So does 7.8 follow now, or 8.0?	02:54
+perlDreamer	7.8	02:54
SDuensin	Was just wondering. I keep getting Email with Rizen telling everyone that 8 has some spiffy things planned. I want it now, okay? :-)	02:55
+perlDreamer	I'll let him know you said that, when I see him.	02:55
SDuensin	Yea, I know the answer. :-D	02:55
+perlDreamer	You can make contributions to my future hospital bill at... donations@perldreamer.com	02:55
SDuensin	My RFC made it past his "ban-hammer". :-)	02:56
SDuensin	OK, first site I test is broken. Whee!	02:59
+perlDreamer	but of course	02:59
+perlDreamer	you didn't say "JSON in the db"	02:59
+perlDreamer	preaction: we get danger pay for doing stable releases, right?	03:03
SDuensin	Something is very angry here. I see a mention of Cache/Memcached.pm in the error log. Is that new?	03:04
@Haarg	that is a very old module	03:06
@Haarg	WebGUI::Cache::Memcached that is	03:06
@Haarg	i'd recommend deleting it	03:06
SDuensin	And how would you recommend doing that?	03:07
SDuensin	Syndicated content is timing out, too.	03:08
@Haarg	rm /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Cache/Memcached.pm	03:08
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rde28455 / (19 files in 3 dirs): Fix issues with upgrading templates from 7.6.35 to 7.7.19. Fixes #10878. - http://bit.ly/PLXwW	03:08
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb6cc484 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'webgui-7.7' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui into webgui-7.7 - http://bit.ly/1E8nwj	03:08
+perlDreamer	I thought I fixed that...	03:09
@Haarg	the merge thing?	03:09
+perlDreamer	yes	03:10
SDuensin	Uh, where'd all my RSS feeds go?	03:11
+perlDreamer	RSS is for ninnies. We got rid of that.	03:13
SDuensin	Yea, I see that. :-P	03:13
SDuensin	That breaks a LOT of my sites.	03:13
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, did you read the gotchas?	03:13
SDuensin	I thought I did. I'm reading it again.	03:14
@Haarg	perlDreamer: git config branch.webgui-7.7.rebase true	03:14
+perlDreamer	thanks, Haarg	03:15
+perlDreamer	SDuensin has found a documentation hole.	03:15
+perlDreamer	It is documented that we changed our RSS modules	03:15
+perlDreamer	but not what the side effects are	03:15
SDuensin	Is it? What release was it?	03:15
+perlDreamer	7.7.2	03:15
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, please file a bug about that.	03:16
SDuensin	Ok, yea, I see that.	03:16
SDuensin	Not even sure what the bug is just yet. How do I put my feeds back?	03:16
+perlDreamer	And I apologize for asking if you'd read the gotchas. In this case, the info you need isn't in there.	03:16
SDuensin	NP. Most people don't read. I run into that all the time. :-)	03:17
+perlDreamer	You don't. You'll need to update the feed URLs to the new style.	03:17
+perlDreamer	it used to provide asset.rss as a URL	03:17
SDuensin	From the source, it looks like a ?option on the URL somewhere.	03:17
+perlDreamer	now it provides asset?func=viewRSS	03:17
SDuensin	Yea. Fixing.	03:18
+perlDreamer	asset?func=viewRss	03:18
* perlDreamer goes to make dinner		03:18
SDuensin	After the update, Apache immediately reports: "server reached MaxClients setting, consider raising the MaxClients setting" after starting it.	03:44
SDuensin	My web sites are horrendously slow to respond, too.	03:44
SDuensin	Seems my "depreciated layouts" all became "Default Page". Grrr.	03:51
+perlDreamer	SDuensin: do you think this is clear enough for a notice about the change in RSS URLs?	04:25
+perlDreamer	http://gist.github.com/180069	04:25
+perlDreamer	anyone else who'd like to review that is welcome, as well	04:25
SDuensin	Yea, that's much clearer.	04:26
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CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r206f0bc / docs/gotcha.txt : Update gotcha about changes to RSS. - http://bit.ly/15gSPN	04:29
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfe25304 / (4 files in 4 dirs):	04:37
CIA-53	webgui: Reorganize AdSpace properties for prices and permissions.	04:37
CIA-53	webgui: Remove click and impression prices. Remove groupToPurchase.	04:37
CIA-53	webgui: Expose minimum clicks and impressions to the UI. - http://bit.ly/Cw44r	04:37
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3d93120 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/2mcbIM	04:37
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7ebd486 / docs/gotcha.txt : Update gotcha about changes to RSS. - http://bit.ly/XaR0H	04:37
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r13dd3f3 / (lib/WebGUI/AdSpace.pm t/AdSpace.t):	04:37
CIA-53	webgui: Finish updating AdSpace for reorganization.	04:37
CIA-53	webgui: Remove groupToPurchase, update tests to follow suit. - http://bit.ly/uGVFl	04:37
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+perlDreamer	preaction, we should review the gotcha.txt file for any other omissions.	04:40
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SDuensin	Yea, like NUKING LAYOUTS. :-P	04:52
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, I'll check, because it's been a while, but doesn't the gotcha list all templates that are being deprecated, and what they are being updated with?	04:54
SDuensin	Why were used layouts removed anyway? Just curious.	04:54
@preaction	because they were tables or other bad HTML practices	04:55
SDuensin	And trashing the appearance of tons of sites was better?	04:55
@preaction	yep	04:55
SDuensin	Can I have your home phone so I can pass it along to my users? :-P	04:56
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8316643 / lib/WebGUI/Group.pm : Remove group cleanup check for AdSpace group. - http://bit.ly/16y41v	04:57
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfea30d0 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/User.pm t/User.t): Fix getProfileUrl, so it works with preventProxyCache. fixes #10877 - http://bit.ly/12HCtk	04:57
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r6d836c9 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/User.pm t/User.t):	04:58
CIA-53	webgui: Fix getProfileUrl, so it works with preventProxyCache. fixes #10877	04:58
CIA-53	webgui: Conflicts:	04:58
CIA-53	webgui: docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt - http://bit.ly/u7fLj	04:58
+perlDreamer	preaction: now that I've fixed a few more bugs and busted all of SDuensin's sites, I'm going to call it a night.	04:59
SDuensin	hehe	04:59
@preaction	sounds like an evening	04:59
* perlDreamer needs to write some slides, and then celebrate his wedding anniversary		05:00
@preaction	ooh, party time	05:00
+perlDreamer	14 years today	05:00
+perlDreamer	I can't believe she's put up with me this long	05:00
@preaction	she's a saint	05:01
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@Haarg	yay snow leopard	06:57
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+perlDreamer	morning, folks	17:42
+perlmonkey2	good morning	17:51
daviddelikat1	I am not fond of packages -- as a project development tool	17:52
daviddelikat1	that is WG packages	17:52
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+perlDreamer	WG packages do one thing very well, and that is they allow you to port content between sites	17:56
+perlDreamer	after that, they leave a lot to be desired	17:56
+perlDreamer	tavisto: no new Shop bugs today?	17:57
@tavisto	actually there are now 4	17:57
+perlDreamer	4?	17:57
@tavisto	whatever you did broke lots of other stuff	17:57
@tavisto	just kidding!	17:57
@tavisto	;)	17:57
+perlDreamer	phew	17:57
@tavisto	<---- evil evil man sometimes	17:58
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@tavisto	son of ah	18:01
+perlDreamer	for now, we'll just start with a little username and profile analysis in WebGUI	18:04
+perlDreamer	man, has the whole WebGUI world stopped to install Snow Leopard?	18:30
@tavisto	PB staff shouldnt be doing that	18:30
@tavisto	JT said that there are several issues with Snow Leopard when it comes to Open Office, and Adobe products	18:31
+perlDreamer	testing question	18:41
+perlDreamer	over the years I've accumulated scripts for building assets with children, stuffing inboxes and other tasks.	18:41
+perlDreamer	it's handy to have them around so that you can quickly have a wiki with lots of pages for testing, for example	18:41
+perlDreamer	is it worth putting them into git?	18:42
@Haarg	in their own repo you mean?	18:42
+perlDreamer	sure, someplace where other people could get to them	18:44
@Haarg	sounds like a good idea to me	18:44
+perlDreamer	I _almost_ did this with Selenium	18:44
@Haarg	sounds like things i might want to steal to stuff into wgdev	18:45
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r04c422c / (3 files in 3 dirs):	18:46
CIA-53	webgui: WikiMaster keyword pagination fixes, re # 10856.	18:46
CIA-53	webgui: Add pagination template variables to the default byKeyword template.	18:46
CIA-53	webgui: Fix pagination URL for keywords. - http://bit.ly/ATXJD	18:46
+perlDreamer	here's one I just made for a stuffed wiki: http://gist.github.com/180364	18:47
+perlDreamer	Haarg, after resolving a commit, I get an automatic Commit coda add to the commit comments	18:49
+perlDreamer	do I just have to manually delete that every time?	18:49
@Haarg	the conflicts section you mean?	18:50
+perlDreamer	yes	18:51
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4ea146f / (3 files in 3 dirs):	18:52
CIA-53	webgui: WikiMaster keyword pagination fixes, re # 10856.	18:52
CIA-53	webgui: Add pagination template variables to the default byKeyword template.	18:52
CIA-53	webgui: Fix pagination URL for keywords.	18:52
CIA-53	webgui: Conflicts:	18:52
CIA-53	webgui: docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt - http://bit.ly/1GnJel	18:52
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9c2fb21 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move package to correct directory for 7.8. - http://bit.ly/PEQYu	18:52
@Haarg	i want to think i saw a hook for that but i'm not certain	18:53
@Haarg	yeah	18:55
@Haarg	mv .git/hooks/prepare-commit-msg.sample .git/hooks/prepare-commit-msg	18:56
@Haarg	chmod +x .git/hooks/prepare-commit-msg	18:56
+perlDreamer	teach me how to fish, where did you find that?	18:56
@Haarg	grep -i conflict .git/hooks/*	18:57
@Haarg	i looked through the sample hooks a long time ago so i just remembered it was in there	18:57
@Haarg	you can do whatever you want with that hook of course	18:58
+perlDreamer	the funny thing is, I deleted the Conflict message this time	18:58
+perlDreamer	I'll watch more closely next time	18:58
+perlDreamer	also, we have to be careful with merging commits with packages	18:58
+perlDreamer	because when I cherry-picked that last commit, it put it into packages-7.7.20 in the 7.8 branch	18:58
@Haarg	yeah	18:59
@Haarg	has to be manually handled, but that's pretty much the same as with svn	18:59
+perlDreamer	svn had its own pain, in that it wouldn't copy it over	19:00
mducharme-work	it'll probably be another week before 7.7.20 I would imagine?	19:03
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+perlDreamer	probably two	19:03
+perlDreamer	but I'll speak to the powers that be about that	19:04
mducharme-work	you'll probably find more than enough fixes in the first week to justify a release...	19:05
+perlDreamer	the only issue is that it's during the WUC, which makes time a premium	19:05
mducharme-work	I'd rather some things fixed and some things still broken than wait two weeks for everything to be fixed	19:05
+perlDreamer	me, too :)	19:05
+perlDreamer	how can people use my beautiful StoryManager without good templates?	19:06
@Haarg	for template problems at least you would be able to import the new packages into a 7.7.19 site without running the upgrade	19:08
@Haarg	and it wouldn't cause any later problems	19:08
+perlDreamer	sure, importing them twice won't hurt	19:08
+perlDreamer	but, this experience has taught me something really important	19:08
+perlDreamer	all along, we've said that webgui.org and PB.com can be used as benchmarks for upgrades	19:08
+perlDreamer	and that's not strictly true	19:09
+perlDreamer	those sites never take the shunt upgrades	19:09
daviddelikat1	Haarg: I'm trying to restore some stuff from git stash but it tells me: 'Cannot restore on top of a dirty state'	19:09
daviddelikat1	git diff says there is no diff	19:09
@Haarg	you have modified files	19:09
@Haarg	what about git status?	19:09
daviddelikat1	do you know how to figure out what is causing it?	19:09
@Haarg	or git diff --cached	19:10
daviddelikat1	git status shows some untracked files	19:10
daviddelikat1	git diff cached shows no difference	19:10
@Haarg	does the stash entry have anything related to those untracked files?	19:11
daviddelikat1	the untracked files were there when I created the stash	19:11
@Haarg	you can use git stash show or git stash show -p to see what is in the stash	19:12
@Haarg	not sure about the dirty state thing if you have no changes	19:12
@Haarg	you could try git reset --hard HEAD	19:12
@Haarg	which will reset everything to the state of the last commit	19:13
@Haarg	so if git is confused about something that should clear it up i would think	19:13
daviddelikat1	one of the files was a swap file from vi once I closed the vi session the git stash pop worked...	19:14
daviddelikat1	would it help if swap files were in the ignore list?	19:15
@Haarg	yes	19:16
@Haarg	you might want to look at my post on the dev list for some recommended config stuff	19:16
daviddelikat1	ok	19:17
+perlDreamer	merging and cross-porting commits is easier in git	19:18
+perlDreamer	and it seems faster than svn, at least on my laptop	19:19
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7d74429 / (19 files in 3 dirs): Fix issues with upgrading templates from 7.6.35 to 7.7.19. Fixes #10878. - http://bit.ly/u3oBu	19:19
@Haarg	000001000001000045000014.json ?	19:21
+perlDreamer	oh yeah	19:21
+perlDreamer	000001000001000045000014.json is critical to the recovery process for those templates	19:22
+perlDreamer	this would mean a little more work during release, but what would happen if we named the packages directory for this release "current", and then it gets renamed to be version specific after release?	19:25
@Haarg	after?	19:25
@Haarg	so it would be named current in the tarball?	19:25
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+perlDreamer	hm	19:25
+perlDreamer	maybe some of the fine details need to be worked out	19:26
+perlDreamer	how about just before the release?	19:26
+perlDreamer	but you see the goal?	19:26
@Haarg	i see it but i'm not sure it will work out	19:26
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3632c87 / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.0/000001000001000045000014.json : Remove extra JSON file. - http://bit.ly/IDCVf	19:26
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r744c24f / docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.20/000001000001000045000014.json : Remove extra JSON file from packages dir. - http://bit.ly/pg6zm	19:26
JDan	Little question about packages. I exported package to file. Next I imported it to other site. I see new wobjects at Asset Tree. But when I try to view new page system show message "The page you have requested does not exist. What would you like to do?"	19:28
+perlDreamer	JDan: do you have uncommitted version tags?	19:29
+perlDreamer	also, check the log for any helpful error messages	19:29
daviddelikat1	the new package should also show up in the admin bar under new content--packages	19:29
daviddelikat1	after you import the package you still have to create a copy of it on a page somewhere	19:29
+perlDreamer	I thought it deployed right away?	19:30
JDan	My site has set "Commit Without Approval"	19:31
daviddelikat1	mine never do	19:31
JDan	There are no any errors at logs	19:31
+perlDreamer	JDan, if there was an error during import, the autocommit may not have been triggered	19:32
+perlDreamer	and WebGUI can error silently	19:32
JDan	But why assats are at assat tree. I see subpages in /root/home subtree	19:33
mducharme-work	perldreamer yeah I find the storymanager basically unusable at the moment with the issues......	19:33
+perlDreamer	I'll see about appending the packages that fix the problem to the bug later today, so then can be downloaded	19:34
JDan	ok. I have another problem with communications error which I don't know how to solve. I scande all forums and articles. Nothnig special for my case. I'll sent new post to forum and describe ...	19:37
JDan	thanks	19:37
+perlDreamer	JDan: which version of WebGUI are you using?	19:43
JDan	today I upgrated to 7.7.19	19:43
JDan	I had hope meny problems go away	19:43
JDan	WRE compiled on Debian Leny from source 0.9.3	19:44
JDan	practicaly dedicated for WebGUI server	19:44
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+perlDreamer	Haarg: account CSS seems to be split between 2 files	19:47
@Haarg	is it actually split?	19:48
+perlDreamer	I believe that the templates pull CSS elements from both	19:48
@Haarg	when i looked at it last it was mostly a duplicate	19:48
@Haarg	and then it has a yui css file copied into it as well	19:49
+perlDreamer	that's the one in extras, or the snippet?	19:50
+cap10morgan	for ldap groups, can you use an OU as a group?	20:00
+cap10morgan	i.e. it doesn't have member attributes, it contains the actual user records	20:00
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@Haarg	perlDreamer, the one is extras. i may have been wrong about the copy thing actually	20:43
@Haarg	*in	20:43
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@bopbop	in the display tab for assets, there is a printable style template- out of curiosity, what needs to be done to make the printable version of a page available- is there a macro or some kind of template variable?	21:30
@bopbop	is it ^r();	21:31
@bopbop	nm, answered my own question	21:32
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rcdb7fd2 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix pagination for keywords listing in Story Archive. Fixes bug #10890. - http://bit.ly/3aVwRr	22:42
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re9068ef / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix pagination for keywords listing in Story Archive. Fixes bug #10890. - http://bit.ly/16B7Xi	22:43
+perlDreamer	if changelog entries are made at the bottom of the list, then the conflicts go away	22:46
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CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbdfe44d / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix EMS registrant lookup template JS bug #10884. - http://bit.ly/Z2Ieo	22:50
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r655d9bd / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix EMS registrant lookup template JS bug #10884. - http://bit.ly/LD0H2	22:50
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r4bec356 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move packge to correct upgrade directory. - http://bit.ly/13LaeK	22:50
ckotil	website is down	22:59
ckotil	pb anyway	22:59
ckotil	wg too	22:59
@Haarg	i'm working on it	22:59
ckotil	cool	23:01
@Haarg	should be fixed now	23:02
ckotil	looks good	23:02
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mducharme-work	hrm.. can the new storymanager group by month/year without having them as keywords?	23:20
+SynQ	what is the weather like in Madison?	23:22
+perlDreamer	mducharme-work: what do you mean by "group"?	23:23
+perlDreamer	SynQ: http://www.weather.com/weather/local/USWI0411?lswe=Madison,%20Wisconsin&from=searchbox_localwx	23:26
mducharme-work	perlDreamer: like this: http://www.novell.com/news/press/	23:26
+perlDreamer	okay, it won't sort by press releases vs news briefs	23:27
+perlDreamer	and by default, it groups news by day	23:27
+SynQ	perlDreamer: is that T-shirt weather?	23:27
mducharme-work	I don't need it to sort by press releases vs news briefs	23:27
+perlDreamer	SynQ: and shorts, if you've have cute legs	23:27
mducharme-work	I just like the way month/year thing works on that page	23:27
+SynQ	perlDreamer: no chance, hairy ones	23:28
mducharme-work	for looking at older news articles	23:28
+perlDreamer	mducharme-work: for something without a lot of news, less granularity is nice	23:28
+SynQ	time for bed	23:29
+SynQ	what time is it in madison now	23:29
+perlDreamer	3:40pm	23:29
+SynQ	ah	23:29
mducharme-work	true, but it would be nice if there could be configurable "group by" levels	23:29
+SynQ	it's 10:30pm here	23:29
mducharme-work	people would not need to group by month and/or year unless they chose to do so..	23:30
+SynQ	perlDreamer: that must be 3:30pm right?	23:30
+perlDreamer	my laptop clock is off	23:30
+SynQ	ah	23:30
+SynQ	so when I get back and arrive at schiphol at 7:00am here	23:31
+SynQ	it's actually midnight from where I came from	23:31
+perlDreamer	mducharme-work, if you have a look at the template variables for the StoryArchive, you'll see there's a loop for each day	23:31
+SynQ	right	23:31
+SynQ	night :)	23:31
+perlDreamer	adding additional loops for months/years would be far simpler then making it configurable	23:31
+perlDreamer	code-wise anyway	23:32
+perlDreamer	then it's just up to the user to figure out which levels they want to nest	23:32
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+cap10morgan	to answer my own question, yes you can. i should post a wiki entry about it...	23:44
mducharme-work	perldreamer ahh ok, cool	23:47
+perlDreamer	cap10morgan, all new LDAP knowledge is greatly appreciated	23:59
+cap10morgan	cool, yeah, i need to write it down before i forget it too	23:59
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+cap10morgan	i tricked the recursive group property into doing the right thing for this	00:00
+cap10morgan	essentially treating all the user records as single-member groups	00:00
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elnino	Hi I'm visiting the shop once again. Is there a why to categorize the specifications in a product asset?	00:04
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+perlDreamer	elnino, no	00:08
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+perlDreamer	Offhand, I'd say that if you want something like that, put it into the description since you can use any markup you want there.	00:08
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mducharme-work	cap10morgan that's neat	00:20
elnino	ok.	00:20
mducharme-work	I haven't fooled around yet with ldap groups, haven't had a need to	00:20
+cap10morgan	except it didn't actually work, hahaha	00:20
mducharme-work	oh	00:20
mducharme-work	you can probably do that in the ldap server itself by making a dynamic group, btw	00:20
daviddelikat1	does anybody know a good way to debug events in a browser?	00:21
mducharme-work	that's a special type of group where the member list is generated dynamically based on the results of a query	00:21
@preaction	JS events? add a breakpoint to the handler you're using	00:22
daviddelikat1	no browser events	00:24
daviddelikat1	I click and the function that issupposed to be attached does not run	00:24
daviddelikat1	I know this because I have a breakpoint attached to it	00:24
daviddelikat1	problem is that there are two fields with the same id on my page	00:25
daviddelikat1	so I get the parent element	00:25
daviddelikat1	and then get the first(only) child which is the field that I am connecting to	00:26
daviddelikat1	and add an onchange listener	00:26
@preaction	why are there two fields with the same ID? that's a bug right there.	00:29
@preaction	does it also have the same name?	00:29
daviddelikat1	the id is the default generated by WG	00:30
daviddelikat1	i think the nams are the same as well	00:30
daviddelikat1	one is for the search ticket form	00:30
daviddelikat1	the other is for the ticket it self	00:30
@preaction	so they're in different forms	00:30
daviddelikat1	the ticket field is not in a form at all	00:31
@preaction	you can change the ID from inside WebGUI, give it an id => property	00:31
daviddelikat1	I'm just grabbing the onchange event and sending off some ajax	00:31
daviddelikat1	I'll see if that helps, thanks	00:32
+cap10morgan	ah, ok, if i put uid in both group property and recursive group property, then it works	00:33
+cap10morgan	but it seems kind of slow	00:33
mducharme-work	try doing it through a dynamic group in ldap, cap10morgan	00:38
+cap10morgan	i'd rather not	00:39
+cap10morgan	i want webgui to be able to do it directly	00:39
mducharme-work	there are basically no ldap things that can do that directly that I'm aware of	00:40
mducharme-work	so if webgui can do that, it can do something pretty much nothing else can	00:40
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r541b8a4 / lib/WebGUI/Form/Codearea.pm : Remove debug code from Codearea - http://bit.ly/6Xzfi	00:42
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r046bc36 / lib/WebGUI/Form/Image.pm : Update POD for getValue in Form/Image - http://bit.ly/8myBI	00:42
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r882817c / lib/WebGUI/Form/Codearea.pm : Remove debug code from Codearea - http://bit.ly/1nNRA	00:42
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2276b98 / lib/WebGUI/Form/Image.pm : Update POD for getValue in Form/Image - http://bit.ly/4fvtqd	00:42
+perlDreamer	preaction, Haarg: I don't think this is a bug: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/10883	00:51
+perlDreamer	a guy runs WebGUI on a non-standard port behind a firewall that blocks that port	00:51
@preaction	i don't think it is either. there's a configuration setting that should be fixing the port	00:51
@preaction	webserverPort : 80	00:52
+perlDreamer	that's the problem, he has that set to a different port number	00:52
@preaction	that's the port for the front-facing web server	00:52
@preaction	you're not supposed to change that	00:52
@preaction	unless the front-facing web server is not port 80	00:53
@preaction	webgui uses that to build URLs, nothing more	00:53
+perlDreamer	I resolved it	00:56
@preaction	perhaps the docs are unclear?	00:57
+perlDreamer	I suppose that people could confuse web server with the actual server that WebGUI is running on.	00:58
@preaction	perhaps include "This is used to create URLs, so use the public-facing webserver port"?	00:59
+perlDreamer	http://gist.github.com/180561 ?	01:01
@preaction	looks good to me	01:02
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r39b9bd3 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt etc/WebGUI.conf.original): Clarify the documentation for webServerPort in config file. Fixes bug #10883 - http://bit.ly/13zE5B	01:07
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r80d629a / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt etc/WebGUI.conf.original): Clarify the documentation for webServerPort in config file. Fixes bug #10883 - http://bit.ly/c5clK	01:07
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+perlDreamer	I've noticed that when I look at a block of code, and I see $self->session->blah more than 3-4 times per line, that my eyes just glaze over	01:49
@preaction	we should make a P::C::Policy for that	01:52
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@preaction	and one for deprecated methods, we really need to start cleaning things up	01:52
+perlDreamer	have you looked at the InOutBoard code recently?	01:53
sbaur	hi everyone	01:54
sbaur	question for the group: how do y'all determine what gets into the gotcha.txt file?	01:54
+perlDreamer	howdy sbaur	01:54
+perlDreamer	anything that is supposed to trip up an admin is supposed to go into the file	01:55
+perlDreamer	so it tends to be subjective	01:55
@preaction	better question: sbaur, what did we miss?	01:56
sbaur	then i'll register a mild protest that changing the macro parser wasn't mentioned (between 7.5 and 7.6) specifically the part about having to quote inner macros when you are nesting them	01:56
sbaur	that's going to be a real PIA to fix across our sites	01:56
@preaction	i'd say submit a bug that it wasn't mentioned	01:57
sbaur	there was a bug -- 10057	01:57
@preaction	Haarg: do you remember when that change was made?	01:57
@preaction	ok	01:57
@preaction	then, writing a script to change those things won't be too hard, if you want to use support hours to do it	01:57
sbaur	now that's an idea	01:58
@preaction	we can save your people 20 hours of work by using 2 hours of work, so to speak	01:58
@Haarg	how were you using quotes before sbaur?	01:58
sbaur	^CanEditText(^AdminToggle("Edit On","Edit Off"););	01:59
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sbaur	now that just displays ^AdminToggle("Edit On" under 7.6 and higher	02:00
sbaur	which of course makes it doubly hard to fix as you have to add ?func=edit to actually edit it	02:00
+perlDreamer	?switchOnAdmin might be more helpful	02:01
+perlDreamer	let me double check that fragment	02:01
+perlDreamer	yes: ?switchOnAdmin	02:01
+perlDreamer	that will throw you into Admin mode	02:02
@Haarg	?op=switchOnAdmin	02:02
sbaur	yes, but for whatever reason ?func=edit is already memorized so easier then looking up one of the others :)	02:03
@Haarg	that was one edge case we didn't catch i guess. we tried to match the behavior of the old parser in most cases, but the old routine was rather ambiguous in some of those cases.	02:07
@Haarg	luckily it is much much better tested now so any changes in how it parses things are easy to detect	02:08
sbaur	that's good to know	02:15
sbaur	it's too bad the old parser adds the quotes (single quotes in this case) as literals if I try to quote it before upgrading the site.	02:17
sbaur	Thanks preaction, perlDreamer and Haarg for your help with this	02:22
+perlDreamer	we're sorry for the hangup, sbaur	02:22
+perlDreamer	thanks for giving us a heads up so we can fix it	02:22
CIA-53	webgui: Graham Knop master * r5090c80 / t/Macro.t : add another quoting edge case to macro tests - http://bit.ly/ekDYk	02:25
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elnino	did i read somewhere that i can import products?	02:50
elnino	or was i going to write a scrript for that?	02:51
+perlDreamer	you can import products via a Shelf	02:57
+perlDreamer	you can export them as well	02:57
@Haarg	perlDreamer, preaction, any thoughts on this? http://gist.github.com/180618	02:59
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+perlDreamer	that's crazy	03:00
+perlDreamer	perldoc checks for ownership?	03:00
+perlDreamer	man perldoc will help out understanding that	03:01
+perlDreamer	it's a taint/security issue	03:03
@Haarg	oh?	03:04
elnino	perlDreamer, from like an csv file? what version do i need?	03:04
+perlDreamer	Haarg: man perldoc, then /SECURITY	03:04
+perlDreamer	elnino, I believe that works all the way back to 7.6	03:05
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+perlDreamer	7.5, actually	03:05
+perlDreamer	you can find some sample import files in t/supportingCollateral	03:06
@Haarg	http://gist.github.com/180619 guess i should try that locally	03:06
@Haarg	thanks though perlDreamer, i should be able to fix it	03:07
+perlDreamer	http://perldoc.perl.org/perldoc.html	03:08
@Haarg	yeah, it works fine locally. just thought that was funny.	03:08
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2b3219c / sbin/userImport.pl : Fix POD typos in userImport.pl. Each POD directive is a paragraph. - http://bit.ly/L7ugL	03:10
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r82fab29 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/InOutBoard.pm :	03:10
CIA-53	webgui: Massive refactoring and bug fixing in InOutBoard.	03:10
CIA-53	webgui: Used placeholders for many queries, i18n'ed the Search button in	03:10
CIA-53	webgui: viewReport, fixed bugs related to users with no selected department	03:10
CIA-53	webgui: in their profile, fixed a bad query still looking for old style	03:10
CIA-53	webgui: user profile data. - http://bit.ly/TsLWA	03:10
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf4d8725 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/InOutBoard.pm :	03:10
CIA-53	webgui: Massive refactoring and bug fixing in InOutBoard.	03:10
CIA-53	webgui: Used placeholders for many queries, i18n'ed the Search button in	03:10
CIA-53	webgui: viewReport, fixed bugs related to users with no selected department	03:10
CIA-53	webgui: in their profile, fixed a bad query still looking for old style	03:10
CIA-53	webgui: user profile data. - http://bit.ly/phCZ8	03:10
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2d967fc / t/Macro.t : Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/kNNip	03:10
+perlDreamer	that merge message is still in there...	03:11
@Haarg	git config branch.master.rebase true	03:11
@Haarg	it's a per branch setting	03:11
elnino	perlDreamer, and "t" is locarted where?	03:11
+perlDreamer	elnino: /data/WebGUI/t :)	03:11
@Haarg	then there is the global setting as well, which enables the per branch setting when the branch is created	03:11
elnino	oh good grief. thx	03:12
@Haarg	but if you already had the branch, it won't inherit that setting	03:12
+perlDreamer	I'll just set them all manually for now	03:12
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CIA-53	wgdev: Graham Knop master * r3d2b45e / (inc/WGDev/Builder.pm lib/WGDev/Help.pm): improve handling for when run as root - http://bit.ly/7fgHe	04:04
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, okay to push some changes to the WGDev repo?	04:22
+perlDreamer	or do you want patches?	04:22
+perlDreamer	I added a note about package --upgrade to the Intro docs	04:23
+perlDreamer	and a --toHex switch, to convert base64 GUIDS to hex format on the command line	04:23
@Haarg	go ahead and push	04:23
@Haarg	if you ever have changes you aren't certain about, fork it on github and push to your own repo	04:24
@Haarg	then you can just tell me on here or send a pull request through the web interface and i'll take a look at it	04:24
@Haarg	that's what patspam has been doing and it works a lot better than sending patches	04:25
+perlDreamer	okay	04:25
CIA-53	wgdev: Colin Kuskie master * rf4c0823 / lib/WGDev/Command/Intro.pm : Add intro docs for package --upgrade. - http://bit.ly/f2AGT	04:26
CIA-53	wgdev: Colin Kuskie master * raa4be8c / lib/WGDev/Command/Guid.pm : Add the toHex switch, which converts base64 GUIDs to hex. - http://bit.ly/ZbX4M	04:26
CIA-53	wgdev: Colin Kuskie master * r72f703b / (43 files in 14 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:haarg/wgdev - http://bit.ly/hBAQh	04:26
CIA-53	wgdev: Graham Knop master * r7a910a0 / (3 files in 3 dirs): allow specifying sitename in shortened form - http://bit.ly/123htd	04:37
CIA-53	wgdev: Graham Knop master * rc9ecdc9 / Changes : updating Changes - http://bit.ly/OXRHn	04:37
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elnino	hi.	06:07
elnino	Should I be updating perl mods via cpan, or does wre do all that for me?	06:07
mducharme	you should be updating perl mods...	06:08
mducharme	but use the wre cpan	06:08
mducharme	there is a cpan.sh that launches it, in /data/wre/sbin	06:08
mducharme	elnino when you upgrade webgui you need to read the gotchas file and see what new modules are needed in the upgrade path from the version you are on to the version you are going to, and install those via the wre cpan.sh BEFORE doing the upgrade	06:09
mducharme	if the required modules are not installed in advance the upgrade may fail partway through...	06:09
elnino	ok. Thanks mducharme. I don't think I've used wre's cpan.	06:09
elnino	right	06:09
mducharme	well wre has it's own perl, so it has its own cpan	06:09
mducharme	installing the modules into the system perl won't help	06:10
mducharme	also woudln't be a bad idea to do a ". setEnvironment.sh" in advance too	06:10
mducharme	to make sure all the environment variables are set to use the wre stuff....	06:10
elnino	the cpan.sh does that, and does the normal cpan command, which is already in my environment, so I gues I do use wre's =)	06:10
mducharme	I don't actually trust the wre backup myself and manually shut down webgui and .tgz up the /data folder tree before doing any upgrade	06:12
mducharme	only thing you need running when doing the webgui upgrade is mysql.. the other processes can be stopped	06:12
elnino	I do too. =)	06:12
+perlDreamer	you people are paranoid!!!!	06:16
mducharme	hehe	06:17
mducharme	it pays to be paranoid, in this business	06:18
CIA-53	wgdev: Graham Knop master * rf7ed6f2 / Changes : mark release date - http://bit.ly/OjhMf	06:46
+perlDreamer	elnino: we aren't fixing 7.6 bugs anymore, but I suspect that the same bug exists in 7.7	07:47
elnino	did you see my second bug report?	07:48
+perlDreamer	yes, RSS feeds are done differently in 7.7	07:49
+perlDreamer	and with 7.7 being stable, demo is running it	07:49
+perlDreamer	in the CS edit screen, you'll see an RSS tab	07:50
+perlDreamer	all the old RssFromParent and RssCapable stuff is gone	07:50
+perlDreamer	replaced by the RssFeed AssetAspect	07:50
elnino	but it didn't give me a "rss from parent" asset	07:50
+perlDreamer	it won't	07:50
elnino	so what url do I use?	07:50
+perlDreamer	in 7.7 they don't exist anymore	07:50
+perlDreamer	urlForCS?func=viewRss	07:51
elnino	ew. ok.	07:51
+perlDreamer	you can always use a redirect asset to hide that behing urlForCS.rss	07:51
+perlDreamer	behind urlForCS.rss	07:51
elnino	too much hassle. I liked it when you did that for me. =)	07:52
+perlDreamer	you wouldn't believe all the problems we had with the old solution	07:52
+perlDreamer	this one is not as pretty URL-wise, but much easier to deal with	07:52
+perlDreamer	I did a 10 minute talk last year on why RssFromParent/RssCapable is bad at the WUC	07:52
+perlDreamer	well, more like 5 minutes	07:53
elnino	I missed that one. sorry.	07:55
+perlDreamer	maybe we should submit an RFE to add a button to the RSS tab that automatically makes the redirect asset for you?	07:56
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@plainhao	morning, peeps	15:14
* plainhao has a question about style (webgui, not fashion).		15:15
@plainhao	i have this page layout with a particular style, and in that style template, i have this: ^AssetProxy(weird/sku/asset);	15:17
@plainhao	that embedded sku asset is processing its own template correctly, but inherits the page layout's style template, so its processed output never shows up.	15:19
@plainhao	my question is, what should i do? i tried this: <tmpl_if body.content><tmpl_var body.content><tmpl_else>^AssetProxy(weird/sku/asset);</tmpl_if>	15:20
@plainhao	but it seems body.content is never fully empty	15:20
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+perlDreamer	good morning everybody!	17:32
@Haarg	morning perlDreamer	17:32
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+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: if you haven't installed presto yet you might consider it. 165MB of updates reduced to 5.4MB of delta rpms. Maybe not so important for you, but a huge deal for my 768kbps line.	18:16
+perlDreamer	is it available for FC10?	18:17
+perlmonkey2	no idea.	18:17
+perlmonkey2	yep, looks like it is.	18:18
+perlmonkey2	yum-presto looks like it has been available since FC-6, but I doubt many drpms were built until recently.	18:18
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0dd476e / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Codearea.pm): YUI 2.6 has element-beta-min. Fixes 10893. - http://bit.ly/XyVq0	18:21
+perlDreamer	Haarg, the asset manager JSON thing has me stumped.	18:29
+perlDreamer	which fields have macros in them, and where/how do they get processed?	18:29
@Haarg	the case i ran into had a macro in the title	18:30
@Haarg	i don't know why	18:30
@Haarg	but if you just return content to the URL content handler, it always does macro processing on it	18:30
@Haarg	err	18:31
@Haarg	i mean the Content URL handler	18:31
@Haarg	because it calls session->output->print	18:31
@Haarg	you can avoid that by calling $session->output->print($content, 1);	18:32
@Haarg	but there's no way for the content handler to signal the Content URL handler to do that	18:32
+perlDreamer	we can use Mime Type	18:32
@Haarg	possibly	18:32
@Haarg	anything that isn't text/	18:33
@Haarg	the fix i put on frozen was to have the www_ method in the asset manager code call $session->output->print($content, 1) and return "chunked"	18:33
@Haarg	the problem with the mime type is that there are cases where we return JSON as text/html	18:34
@Haarg	on purpose	18:34
+perlDreamer	that would lead to the 2nd question	18:35
+perlDreamer	how in the world did a title get shoehorned in there with a macro in it?	18:35
@Haarg	i don't know	18:35
@Haarg	it was a rather old asset	18:35
+perlDreamer	yeah, that's what I was thinking	18:35
+perlDreamer	it predates fixTitle	18:36
@Haarg	yeah	18:36
+perlDreamer	when JSON is returned as text/html, is that by design, or just because the mime type hasn't been set?	18:37
@Haarg	by design	18:38
@Haarg	there isn't a good solution for it that i know if	18:38
@Haarg	*of	18:38
@Haarg	the problem is yui upload controls	18:38
@Haarg	if you use YUI connection's file upload, it actually uses an iframe to do the upload	18:39
@Haarg	so the result has to be something that can be loaded in an iframe	18:39
+perlDreamer	which is HTML	18:39
@Haarg	and it has to be something that can be parsed	18:39
@Haarg	apparently if you use text/plain browsers do funny things like turn it into html by wrapping it in <pre> tags	18:40
+perlDreamer	in that case, I'll take the frozen fix, apply it, and shop it around to some of the other content handlers	18:40
+perlDreamer	but it's just ugly	18:40
@Haarg	yes	18:41
@Haarg	it might be good to just use the mime type	18:41
@Haarg	then for other cases add special handling	18:41
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+perlDreamer	yeah	18:41
@Haarg	it seems like a better solution for those situations would be to use text/plain or similar and then rip off the pre tags.	18:45
@Haarg	i have a feeling text/html is going to mess with the content in more subtle ways	18:45
+perlDreamer	at that point, though, we're all the way back in the browser	18:50
+perlDreamer	and it should be YUI's job to handle that mess for us	18:50
+perlDreamer	well, in my JS newbie opinion :)	18:51
+perlDreamer	did you know that ! bind tighter than =~ ?	18:51
@Haarg	not offhand	18:53
@Haarg	yui tries to handle as much of that as it can, but it has to fight the browser	18:53
@Haarg	you can't use the correct mime type no matter what yui does	18:53
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r960ca38 / lib/WebGUI/Session/Http.pm : Update POD to show new default mime type. - http://bit.ly/3Pz18w	18:55
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rca0d836 / (3 files in 3 dirs): fix #10891: Change session->output->print to skip macros based on detecting the mime-type. - http://bit.ly/dz7hE	18:55
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rfcaad56 / t/Asset/Wobject/EventManagementSystem.t : Make test clean-up its version tag. - http://bit.ly/3rjou2	19:32
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r54b9d4d / t/Asset/Wobject/EventManagementSystem.t : Make test clean-up its version tag. - http://bit.ly/11cC1x	19:32
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+perlDreamer	Haarg: did you do something to the git config to make it rewrite paths for the packages directory?	20:58
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rf28b87b / (2 files in 2 dirs): Patch matrix listing template. fixes #10900 - http://bit.ly/zUiFI	20:58
@Haarg	no	20:58
+perlDreamer	hm	20:59
@Haarg	why?	21:00
+perlDreamer	I just cherry picked an update from master that contained a new package	21:00
+perlDreamer	during the "autocommit" I got this:	21:01
+perlDreamer	rewrite docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.20/matrix-default-detailed-listing.wgpkg (100%)	21:01
+perlDreamer	and sure enough, in master, that package is in 7.8	21:01
+perlDreamer	and in webgui-7.7, it's in 7.7.20	21:01
@Haarg	heh	21:01
@Haarg	git tries to be very smart about merging so apparently it figured it out	21:02
+perlDreamer	that makes merging packages so easy!	21:02
@Haarg	we'll see going forward how well it does	21:03
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1e37b6b / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Shelf.pm): Only log products that aren't defined in the Shelf. fix 10902 - http://bit.ly/Z4JB8	21:25
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elnino	hmm. so.. I need to create a "request quote" form Do I do this with custom code? or is there a way to use the dataform asset that will populate fields from url parameters, and drop list choices from the current list of product assets?	22:31
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+perlDreamer	elnino, the FormParam macro will let you fill out with URL parameters, but doing the drop down list is something altogether different.	23:46
+perlDreamer	Maybe you could bend the Thingy to do that	23:47
elnino	I was just thinking that. does thingy have emailing capabilities/	23:47
elnino	?	23:47
+perlDreamer	it has triggers to run workflows, and it wouldn't be too hard to make a workflow that sends emails based on that	23:49
elnino	ok. I'll have to think some more. Thanks!	23:49
+perlDreamer	good luck :)	23:53
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+SynQ	wow	00:05
+SynQ	this is awsome: http://www.webgui.org/use/community-wiki/installing-webgui-in-debian	00:05
+perlDreamer	SquOnk++	00:07
+SynQ	perlDreamer: can you help me explain the output of the utility script "wg-testCodebase --configFile /etc/webgui/webgui.conf"	00:08
+SynQ	Called UNIVERSAL::can() as a function	00:08
+SynQ	does that ring a bell?	00:08
+perlDreamer	that is a perl bug that can be ignored	00:08
+SynQ	hmm	00:08
+SynQ	can it be circumvented too?	00:08
+perlDreamer	just have to live with it until the module authors fix it	00:09
+SynQ	don't that just suck	00:09
+perlDreamer	you kind of get used to it	00:09
+perlDreamer	like nose hair	00:09
+SynQ	uh huh	00:09
+SynQ	nose hair can be trimmed	00:09
+SynQ	or pulled	00:09
+perlDreamer	maybe you could filter it out using grep?	00:10
+perlDreamer	grep -v 'UNIVERSAL::cal'	00:10
+perlDreamer	or, if you are a perl puring	00:10
+SynQ	grep -v 'UNIVERSAL::can' then	00:10
+perlDreamer	perl -ne 'print unless /UNIVERSAL::can/;'	00:10
+SynQ	uh huh	00:10
+SynQ	that costs way more memory :P	00:10
+SynQ	I can ignore it	00:11
+perlDreamer	sorry, man. I don't like it either	00:11
+perlDreamer	Haarg doesn't like it.	00:11
+SynQ	perhaps someone needs to hyjack that perl module :P	00:11
+perlDreamer	or, maybe somebody could track down what is causing it, fix it, then send the module author a patch	00:12
+SynQ	Can't call method "headers" on an undefined value at t/Asset/Redirect/mech.t line 96.	00:12
+SynQ	is that bad?	00:12
+perlDreamer	that one is bad	00:13
+perlDreamer	sounds like a test bug, rather than a core bug, though	00:13
+SynQ	ok	00:13
+SynQ	perlDreamer: do you know if I can use WebGUI current stable on debian too?	00:15
+perlDreamer	I think the latest WebGUI Debian package is 7.6.35.2	00:15
+SynQ	I know	00:15
+SynQ	works like a charm	00:15
+perlDreamer	is apache running on the maching that you're testing?	00:16
+SynQ	uh huh	00:16
+perlDreamer	hm	00:16
+SynQ	why?	00:16
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+perlDreamer	that test passes on my dev box	00:17
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+perlDreamer	source install, webgui 7.7.20	00:17
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+SynQ	I'll give it a go later	00:18
+perlDreamer	how's the new WRE coming along?	00:20
+SynQ	slowly	00:20
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+SynQ	SquOnk kudo's for you	00:28
+SynQ	it works!	00:28
@Haarg	does the latest version of UNIVERSAL::can still spit out those errors?	01:07
@Haarg	well, warnings	01:07
+perlDreamer	I'm running 1.05, and it does. 1.12 is available	01:09
+perlDreamer	sorry, I'm running 1.05 of UNIVERSAL	01:10
+perlDreamer	let me install it quick, and see what pops out	01:11
@Haarg	of UNIVERSAL or UNIVERSAL::can ?	01:11
+perlDreamer	let me double check	01:12
+perlDreamer	I've been working late, and I'm making stupid mistakes today	01:12
+perlDreamer	I was running 1.05 of UNIVERSAL::can	01:12
+perlDreamer	installing 1.15 fixes the problem	01:12
@Haarg	cool	01:13
+perlDreamer	I was thinking of installing IE8 on my Vista VM to test a bug, but I don't know if it's easy to uninstall	01:13
+perlDreamer	have you done something like that?	01:13
@Haarg	uninstall ie8?	01:17
+perlDreamer	yeah, so i can still have IE7 available.	01:18
@Haarg	i just have separate VMs for ie6/7/8	01:18
@Haarg	if you just want to test it once, you should be able to take a snapshot, install, test, and revert	01:18
@Haarg	hopefully they add branching snapshots to virtualbox soon so i'll be able to use that instead of having separate VMs	01:19
+perlDreamer	This may have been a dream, but I remember a story on Slashdot saying that M$ was thinking about not making browsers anymore.	01:23
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@tavisto	perldreamer, all is well in wG shop land. Just helped her process her order. Was some hangup with her address info (from previous funked up order)	01:25
+perlDreamer	good news :)	01:25
@tavisto	yep, as long as the address funkiness doesn't happen again. Which I assume wont now that her order saved her info	01:26
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+perlDreamer	preaction, Haarg: I just fixed a bug for the File form plugin.	02:54
+perlDreamer	I've tested the CS and the Profile system	02:54
+perlDreamer	can you think of any other edge cases that I should check?	02:54
+perlDreamer	okay, it must be time to quit	03:04
+perlDreamer	I just created git commit beebeef	03:04
+perlDreamer	even git is telling me that it's time for dinner	03:04
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CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0cbc4ee / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/File.pm):	03:04
CIA-53	webgui: fix #10879. Form/File loses files from previous storageId.	03:04
CIA-53	webgui: Tested Collaboration System, and User Profile Avatar field. - http://bit.ly/A2btC	03:04
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rbeebeef / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/File.pm):	03:04
CIA-53	webgui: fix #10879. Form/File loses files from previous storageId.	03:04
CIA-53	webgui: Tested Collaboration System, and User Profile Avatar field. - http://bit.ly/DxFTl	03:04
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CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8fd0be0 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Purge tests before cleaning up version tags. Fix a leaky test. - http://bit.ly/t3rGb	05:48
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rd60591d / (2 files in 2 dirs): Purge tests before cleaning up version tags. Fix a leaky test. - http://bit.ly/NoBDi	05:48
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daviddelikat1	preaction: ping	16:59
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CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r72d4c56 / lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm : Log an error if duplicate cannot make a copy of itself.	22:04
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6b1fde7 / lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm : Log an error if duplicate cannot make a copy of itself. - http://bit.ly/zCsJF	22:04
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r448c4d0 / lib/WebGUI/AssetBranch.pm : Fix POD in duplicateBranch, tidy the code. - http://bit.ly/3ljjhn	22:04
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9e2cdbd / lib/WebGUI/AssetBranch.pm : Fix POD in duplicateBranch, tidy the code. - http://bit.ly/3izGdx	22:04
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rd4d1b14 / lib/WebGUI/Macro/UsersOnline.pm :	22:04
CIA-53	webgui: Force userId comparisons in SQL to use strings, not numbers.	22:04
CIA-53	webgui: Use WGBP for reference syntax. - http://bit.ly/NPC8d	22:04
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2f602df / lib/WebGUI/Macro/UsersOnline.pm :	22:04
CIA-53	webgui: Force userId comparisons in SQL to use strings, not numbers.	22:04
CIA-53	webgui: Use WGBP for reference syntax. - http://bit.ly/36ZBhg	22:04
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf484a34 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix date display in EMS Schedule. fixes 10876. - http://bit.ly/30kylU	22:06
CIA-53	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5eeaecc / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix date display in EMS Schedule. fixes 10876. - http://bit.ly/2Pt03O	22:06
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+perlDreamer	WUC-5 and counting	00:40
+perlDreamer	daviddelikat1: you're loving this helpdesk thing, aren't you? ;)	01:52
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daviddelikat1	your back...	02:11
daviddelikat1	I just sent you email replying to your comment....	02:11
daviddelikat1	perlDreamer: ^^^^	02:12
+perlDreamer	sorry, I'm in and out	02:30
daviddelikat1	's ok	02:30
daviddelikat1	you get your stuff done?	02:30
daviddelikat1	slides.	02:30
+perlDreamer	I need 3 more screen shots, then I can start building the actual slides	02:31
daviddelikat1	ooof... how big is your presentation?	02:31
+perlDreamer	should come in at 40 minutes	02:31
+perlDreamer	but I always make too many slides, then talk too fast and get done early	02:31
daviddelikat1	sounds pretty normal	02:31
+perlDreamer	in this case, Story manager, that's not bad, since I'm hoping people come with lots of questions	02:31
+perlDreamer	so having extra time at the end is a bonus	02:32
daviddelikat1	where does story manager show up in WG admin bar?	02:32
+perlDreamer	In the community section	02:33
daviddelikat1	is it not released yet? I don't see it	02:33
daviddelikat1	or do I have to install it manually	02:34
+perlDreamer	it's in 7.7. Might want to check your config file to see if it's in there	02:34
daviddelikat1	I'm looking at breading edge here so I'll check	02:34
daviddelikat1	s/bread/blead/	02:34
+perlDreamer	the problem with breading edge is all the crumbs :)	02:35
daviddelikat1	the problem with my typing is all the crumbs...	02:35
* SDuensin is angered at the config file.		02:35
daviddelikat1	wooo theres life out there	02:35
daviddelikat1	'sup SDuensin?	02:36
+perlDreamer	It's in JSON	02:36
SDuensin	I'm going to write a script that rebuilds them from data in the SQL database so they're all the same. Right now, I have a mess - they're all different depending on when they were created.	02:36
SDuensin	JSON for configs is Good Stuff (tm).	02:36
daviddelikat1	doesn't the upgrade script have some code that reads/rewrites the config file?	02:37
SDuensin	If it does, it turned a blind eye to me.	02:38
+perlDreamer	not by default	02:39
+perlDreamer	you have to manually do the upgrades	02:39
SDuensin	Which is A-NOY-ING. :-P	02:39
daviddelikat1	so any time there is something to add to the config it has to be done by hand?	02:39
daviddelikat1	like the stgory manager?	02:40
SDuensin	Yup.	02:40
SDuensin	Eventually, I'll have: ./webguiupdate; ./fix-shit	02:40
+perlDreamer	daviddelikat1: in the case of Story Manager, it should have been added to the config file in the 7.7.4 to 7.7.5 upgrade	02:40
+perlDreamer	or, any new site should get it as well, since it's in the default WebGUI.conf file	02:40
daviddelikat1	so doesn't that have to read/write the config file?	02:41
+perlDreamer	it does	02:41
daviddelikat1	hence my suggestion	02:42
+perlDreamer	http://gist.github.com/181561	02:42
+perlDreamer	let me try to be clearer	02:42
+perlDreamer	the upgrade skeleton and default subs in there don't do anything to upgrade site config files	02:42
+perlDreamer	if you want to upgrade it, you have to write a subroutine to do it	02:43
+perlDreamer	and they're pretty simple	02:43
+perlDreamer	the API is quite nice	02:43
+perlDreamer	however, since it's based on hashes, the config file that is written out doesn't keep comments, or any particular order	02:43
daviddelikat1	this is mine from adSku $session->config->addToHash("assets", 'WebGUI::Asset::Sku::Ad' => { category => 'shop' } );	02:44
daviddelikat1	well that didn't work...	02:44
daviddelikat1	http://gist.github.com/181562	02:44
SDuensin	Side question... Why such an extensive config file anyway? Why not put the bulk of that in the SQL database to make it easier to manipulate?	02:44
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, it's due to performance	02:45
+perlDreamer	the config file is loaded when apache starts up	02:45
+perlDreamer	and cached again	02:45
+perlDreamer	the settings in the database have to be returned on every page hit	02:45
+perlDreamer	since any previous hit may have changed them	02:45
SDuensin	Can't cache 'em?	02:45
SDuensin	I mean, let it require a restart to change them. Who cares.	02:46
SDuensin	Just seems easier. :-)	02:46
SDuensin	Then all you'd need on disk is information on how to contact the database.	02:46
+perlDreamer	sure, dbpass, dbuser and dsn	02:46
+perlDreamer	and slave information	02:46
SDuensin	Yup.	02:47
SDuensin	That's what I'm headed towards here. All my WebGUI stuff is going to be generated so it's consistent.	02:47
daviddelikat1	did you know that you can 'git' a clone of a 'gist'	02:48
* SDuensin doesn't know much about git yet.		02:48
+perlDreamer	Haarg mentioned that earlier this week	02:48
+perlDreamer	pretty handy sometimes	02:48
daviddelikat1	I wonder if you could use it as a third party communication system	02:49
+perlDreamer	one of my favorites is curl http://gist.githum.com/172345.txt \| patch -p1	02:49
daviddelikat1	two applications could talk without either one having an open port	02:49
SDuensin	WTF is gist?	02:49
daviddelikat1	its like paste bin	02:50
+perlDreamer	it's a paste application hosted by github	02:50
SDuensin	ah	02:50
daviddelikat1	only works with git	02:50
+perlDreamer	each gist is its own repo, so you can change it, branch it, clone it, etc	02:50
daviddelikat1	I found a git - vm online that I'm dieing to try out...	02:50
daviddelikat1	I wonder if it has gist on it?	02:51
+perlDreamer	git - vm ?	02:51
daviddelikat1	I hav enot booted it up yet so i dont know what s on it	02:51
daviddelikat1	virtual machine	02:51