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| preaction | and it seems like you can't insert a completely blank line. because this thing is stupid and everything's stupid | 00:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | the only way to insert a "blank" line is to insert a line with some kind of whitespace in it? | 00:19 |
| preaction | correct | 00:20 |
| preaction | a single space seems to work | 00:20 |
| preaction | and this is still only in IE | 00:20 |
| preaction | i imagine this is a surmountable problem, but i don't have time to surmount it right now | 00:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: is this the DavGlass thing, or something built on top of YUI Editor? | 00:31 |
| preaction | the davglass thing is built on-top of the YUI Editor | 00:31 |
| preaction | it's the Dav Glass thing, but fixed | 00:31 |
| preaction | at least, now that i'm starting to understand some of it | 00:32 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6d393fe / t/Shop/PayDriver/Ogone.t : Make Ogone.t test for its own name. - http://bit.ly/UU7GP | 00:42 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings. | 00:47 |
| SquOnk | I've setup a Weblog. I want to disable the ability to Reply (Add?) to the posts. | 00:47 |
| SquOnk | I did check 'no' in Security's "Allow Replies". | 00:48 |
| SquOnk | As a Visitor, I can only read the post and the bottom bar only gives Previous and Next as expected. | 00:48 |
| SquOnk | But if I use any registered user, the "Add" option shows up and I can add comments. What gives? | 00:49 |
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| SquOnk | Ah, figured it out. | 01:13 |
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| SquOnk | carogray: Your CSS adventure had a happy ending? | 01:44 |
| carogray | oh god no! | 01:45 |
| SquOnk | Bummer | 01:45 |
| carogray | just moved the DNS committed the version tag and ayah - it looks AWFUL seems to have been a previous version! | 01:45 |
| SquOnk | carogray: Where is it? | 01:45 |
| carogray | So hopefully not too many people will be looking at it tonight and I will be able to do some reconstructive work tonight | 01:45 |
| carogray | http://www.mwlegal.org | 01:46 |
| carogray | everything is broken and .... | 01:46 |
| SquOnk | carogray: What's b0rken? | 01:46 |
| carogray | well I had a flash movie working right and now it doesn't show up. | 01:46 |
| carogray | I cant get the Metrowest legal Services in the footer to be in Century Schoolbook, the side menus are all wonky and .... | 01:47 |
| SquOnk | Where was it supposed to show? | 01:47 |
| carogray | http://test16.mlri.org/donate.html | 01:48 |
| carogray | or perhaps mwlegal.org/donate.html | 01:49 |
| carogray | hadn't really finished | 01:49 |
| carogray | .... have to get last files together and pack up by 7:10 tonight so I can make the bus and work at home tonight... | 01:49 |
| SquOnk | carogray: "OOPS! You forgot to upload swfobject.js! You must upload this file for your gallery to work." | 01:49 |
| carogray | Iknow | 01:49 |
| carogray | I already had fixed this... then I committed the version tag and somehow it undid it! | 01:50 |
| carogray | I remember it is actually a name not matching somewhere. I have to go through it all again. | 01:50 |
| carogray | you know like a jpg instead of a gif or ... a capital letter somewhere and lowercase somewhere else... | 01:50 |
| SquOnk | carogray: I think you used /swfobject.js but it lives in /extras/ukplayer/swfobject.js | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | ^Extras(ukplayer/swfobject.js); | 01:54 |
| carogray | I will look, thanks for helping out. I get connected on the bus so I am hoping to work on it then but I have to get the files that were updated only about 4 1st and then perhaps if you are still around.. I am not too worried about the Flash since I did fix it before, but not being able to get the Century Schoolbook on the Metrowest Legal Services in the footer is driving me nuts... I can't figure out what I am doing wrong. | 01:54 |
| carogray | thanks so much you guys... I am keeping the log and will check back in when I am on the bus. It's about 1 hr 45 minutes and I get internet signal for most of the trip. | 01:55 |
| SquOnk | carogray: id="LegalCredits" | 01:56 |
| SquOnk | carogray: But LegalCredits has Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif in the CSS | 01:56 |
| carogray | nope wrong page | 01:57 |
| SquOnk | carogray: That's the main page. | 01:57 |
| carogray | it's on an inner page that's the home page you are looking at | 01:57 |
| carogray | I mean that's the home page | 01:57 |
| carogray | At the bottom of http://test16.mlri.org/donate.html footer is in the pageFooterContainer and it is h4 | 01:58 |
| carogray | defined css for it above h4#MWLegal { font-family:"Century Schoolbook", Georgia, serif; font-color: #036; } | 01:59 |
| carogray | found the files I need and copied them to my little card so I have a few minutes | 01:59 |
| SquOnk | carogray: Well, I don't have Century Schoolbok. I have Century Schoolbook L | 02:01 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbaadf9c / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.18-7.7.19.pl : Fix lots of typos. - http://bit.ly/16OL0Q | 02:02 |
| carogray | Still it should show as Georgia or a serif font and be the right colour? | 02:02 |
| carogray | SquOnk: is there a quick way to put your name in when I reply to you, or do you just type it in? | 02:03 |
| SquOnk | carogray: I type "car" and the hit TAB. | 02:03 |
| SquOnk | carogray: So try typing "sq" and then hit TAB. | 02:03 |
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| SquOnk | carogray: I believe you're missing a comma between a:active and a:visited in the CSS fragment above the "problematic" one. A thing with CSS is that a syntax error makes the rest of the file is ignored. | 02:04 |
| carogray | SquOnk: ooh yeah great... | 02:04 |
| carogray | like I said yesterday I am not a detail person and I need to get ways to look at things afresh... thanks for that | 02:05 |
| SquOnk | carogray: If you use Firefox, there's a plugin that let's you find out the CSS for each block. If it says "no CSS info" it means something is b0rken in the CSS... that's what led me to believe you had a syntax error in you CSS. | 02:07 |
| carogray | aha would that be firebug? | 02:07 |
| carogray | that would explain a lot when it says there is no style defined for body when I have definitely defined styles for body | 02:07 |
| SquOnk | carogray: I use webdeveloper | 02:08 |
| carogray | I think I might have used to have had that, will try it again...get it from mozilla plugins? | 02:09 |
| SquOnk | carogray: Yes. | 02:09 |
| SquOnk | carogray: I see you embed CSS with the HTML. That's not good or bad, but that's not the way I work. I tend to have CSS snippets separate from HTML and use some sort of CSS editor/validator before uploading, that way I now it's not b0rken. | 02:10 |
| carogray | I am just doing it temporarily -like eventually will put it in it's own snippet and call it after combining it with home page css | 02:11 |
| carogray | haven't found a way to be sure it works in WG without putting it in directly and can change it quicker if on same template than if somewhere else | 02:12 |
| carogray | SquOnk: eek! | 02:12 |
| carogray | gotta run will be on bus in about 10-15 mins | 02:12 |
| carogray | talk to you then? | 02:12 |
| SquOnk | carogray: I'll be leaving for home soon too. | 02:12 |
| SquOnk | carogray: I'll get online later though. | 02:13 |
| carogray | thanks | 02:13 |
| carogray | bye | 02:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | in 7.8, we can finally get rid of errorHandler! | 02:15 |
| @Haarg | we can? | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, it was marked as deprecated | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | there will only be log | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | nice, short, simple "log" | 02:16 |
| @Haarg | hrm | 02:16 |
| @Haarg | that's a pretty large api change | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | well, we can leave the original there for historical purposes | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | backwards compatibility and all, but there's no reason to use errorHandler in the core anymore | 02:17 |
| @Haarg | session->log->fatal is pretty weird, but aside from that i'd agree | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we need a WebGUI::Compatibility module | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | which could handle API naming changes and other simple thing | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | *WebGUI::Session::errorHandler = *WebGUI::Session::log | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | put it into modules.exclude by default | 02:20 |
| +perlDreamer | and if people want to use it, they can uncomment it | 02:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: did you have a chance to look in the database at the character set for the addresses that are having problems with ITransact? | 02:25 |
| @Haarg | no | 02:26 |
| @Haarg | the character set is going to be utf8 in the database though | 02:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | seems odd to me that someone from Wisconsin would be using a character set that wouldn't downgrade safely to latin-1 | 02:29 |
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| carogray | am I still here.. | 02:52 |
| carogray | yep | 02:52 |
| carogray | sorry just checking | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | we hear you carogray | 02:52 |
| carogray | I was checking out something about how pidgin works in a web browser and it told me that if I closed the window I would lose all my IRC connections | 02:53 |
| carogray | just wanted to make sure I didn't disconnect from WebGUI chat room and then reconnect, got in trouble for that last week:-/ | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | trouble? from whom? | 02:55 |
| carogray | preaction | 02:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I wouldn't sweat it. Accidents happen. | 02:55 |
| carogray | perhaps he wasn't pissed off, you know how texting can come across a little more abruptly than in person | 02:55 |
| carogray | I am just trying to be super careful now | 02:56 |
| carogray | I have all this work to do now, but I have to ask are you going to be at the WUC next week perlDreamer? | 02:56 |
| @Haarg | he wasn't angry, but you somehow had 6 clients connecting and disconnecting | 02:57 |
| @Haarg | so it was spamming the channel pretty bad | 02:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I will be at the WUC. In real life, I'm known as Colin Kuskie | 02:57 |
| carogray | I had 6? how could that happen was it different machines? | 02:57 |
| carogray | Oh ho. | 02:57 |
| @Haarg | same machine | 02:57 |
| @Haarg | i wouldn't worry about it though | 02:58 |
| carogray | I know what happened at my end but I didn't realize there were 6 of me though! I was connected or trying to be connected through my friend's neighbor's wireless connection and it was driving me crazy didn't realize it was creating many of me.. until I was banned | 02:58 |
| carogray | when he woke up I connected to his connection and then I stayed connected consistently, just didn't want to risk it again for the rest of the trip | 02:59 |
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| carogray | So I am finally going to make it to the WUC this year pretty excited - we had been saving desperately last year and then had some money left over so I asked if I could spend it last minute - the day before the fiscal year ended on the WUC! So I am coming. Yay. | 03:00 |
| +perlDreamer | cool! | 03:00 |
| carogray | I will be way out of my element but it will be fun to meet you guys. anyone want anything from Boston or New Hampshire? | 03:02 |
| carogray | I can even bring "happy pork" if you are not a vegetarian | 03:02 |
| +perlDreamer | what is 'happy pork'? | 03:08 |
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| * perlDreamer is going to take a break and play with the young ones. bbiaw | 03:09 | |
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| SquOnk | re | 03:15 |
| carogray | perlDreamer: for when you get back "happy pork" is what we call our pigs when we eat them! Although they are fenced in the 'gambol' around in the woods eating acorns and poison ivy and lots of dunkin donuts and they have a grand time...eventually they go to freezer camp and we eat them and then sometimes they eat each other - perhaps too much information, but the meat is good and they are not living like the animals whose meat you buy fr | 03:17 |
| carogray | SquOnk: just checking back looks like I have many errors - trying the w3c validators... tell me when you have an 'a' in an id is it supposed to be a#menu? or #menu a { ? not sure if my css is wrong - the way I have defined it or the way I am actually using it in the html... still figuring it all out | 03:19 |
| carogray | fixed the comma you told me about still wrong, but now I am on to checking other errors | 03:20 |
| SquOnk | carogray: a#menu works for <a id=menu ...> | 03:20 |
| SquOnk | carogray: #menu a works for <a ... > inside anything id=menu | 03:21 |
| SquOnk | carogray: They are two different things. | 03:21 |
| SquOnk | carogray: Most of the time what you want is div#menu a, meaning "any <a ...> found inside _the_ <div id=menu>" | 03:21 |
| carogray | Oh ok, I see I guess most of the time I want the a's inside the id blocks | 03:21 |
| carogray | right | 03:21 |
| SquOnk | carogray: So use div#idname explicitly. | 03:22 |
| SquOnk | carogray: By being explicit in the future you won't have to remember what you meant two weeks ago when you wrotr #foo :-) | 03:22 |
| carogray | OK - the validator is telling me lots of stuff about what's allowed and not allowed inside certain elements. At least I have some direction now and am not just stabbing in the dark, most of what I did is guess work and imitation. It worked for the test17.mlri.org website - haven't managed to do the menu there though but this one is much more complicated... off to pay attention to details | 03:24 |
| carogray | SquOnk: you know if you want anything from Boston or New Hampshire next week, assuming you will be at WUC? | 03:24 |
| carogray | one more ? Can you have an #menu AND a .menu that is both a class and an id called the same thing or is that just dumb? | 03:26 |
| SquOnk | carogray: You can have it. It's not dumb but not smart either :-) | 03:27 |
| carogray | ok well at least it is one of the few things that isn't breaking everything | 03:27 |
| SquOnk | carogray: Use ids for things that are unique. Say 'header' or 'footer'... chances are you have a single div for header and a single div for footer. | 03:27 |
| carogray | yeah, I know I was putting different bits and pieces together and some already had styles defined | 03:28 |
| SquOnk | carogray: Use classes for things that will be used several times. Say for h2/h4 or specially formatted paragraph. | 03:28 |
| carogray | I was trying to change as little as possible | 03:28 |
| carogray | like li s are classes side menu is an id I know I get it | 03:28 |
| SquOnk | carogray: I won't make WUC this year either :-( | 03:29 |
| carogray | mpf too bad - where do you live? | 03:29 |
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| SquOnk | carogray: Caracas, Venezuela | 03:29 |
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| SquOnk | carogray: Are you from Boston? | 03:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | carogray, so by day you are a mild-mannered IT worker and website builder, but by night, you are the Raiser of Pigs? | 05:22 |
| carogray | by day too - actually mother of Raiser of Pigs... working at home 3 days a week I do pigs when kids are out late at night or away for some carousing | 05:23 |
| carogray | True Raiser of Pigs is also mountain bike patroller and ski patroller - I am just the stand-in | 05:24 |
| +perlDreamer | the variety of people who use WebGUI never ceases to amaze me | 05:24 |
| carogray | actually by day I am not really a website builder - rather I am content coordinator Plain English editor | 05:24 |
| carogray | got stuck with technical stuff cause all the more technical people left and besides I have experience with low income people using and building basic websites.... | 05:25 |
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| carogray | Guess what?!!! the flash is working now! I didn't do anything!! | 05:34 |
| carogray | wait a minute - perhaps it's that the page is cached... never mind I bet it isn't really working | 05:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: The Shop API is convoluted | 05:38 |
| @Haarg | oh? | 05:38 |
| SquOnk | Well, off I go. | 05:38 |
| @Haarg | i haven't dealt with it much | 05:38 |
| SquOnk | See you guys tomorrow | 05:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | Let's just say that trying to build a test bench for the ITransact driver, has been, trying | 05:39 |
| +perlDreamer | First, you have to build products with variants | 05:41 |
| +perlDreamer | then you need a cart | 05:41 |
| +perlDreamer | then a transaction referencing that cart | 05:41 |
| +perlDreamer | then you put things into the cart | 05:42 |
| +perlDreamer | then you put things into the transaction | 05:42 |
| +perlDreamer | you can update the transaction with an updated cart | 05:42 |
| +perlDreamer | but only if the cart has an AddressBook and shipping address set | 05:42 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, and a Shipping driver | 05:43 |
| +perlDreamer | was that whiny enough to qualify for a "trying" ? | 05:44 |
| elnino | yes. | 06:10 |
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| carogray | perlDreamer: a little more basic css? | 06:54 |
| +perlDreamer | you can try carogray, but I'm really a perl hacker ;) | 06:55 |
| carogray | if I have defined just 'a' in the css, but defined it in an id also, would there be any reason for the id a to take over all other a's in the page, even though they are not in that id? | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | CSS allows you to specify styling for individual elements (specified by id) and also entire classes of HTML tags | 06:57 |
| carogray | in http://test16.mlri.org/articles all my a's are being defined by the mwlegal id which is only at the bottom of the page, when I look in firebug it shows me that the body a is over written by the MWLegal a. why would this be? If you don't know it right off the bet, don't bother, I just feel as though there si some | 06:58 |
| carogray | basic rule I am not getting | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | in particular, what are you seeing that you don't want to see? | 06:59 |
| carogray | well in articles there is a list of pdf's in an unordered list. They should all be blueish an underlined according to the body. However they are black and not underlined only turning color and getting underlined when hovered over - this is the MWLegal style for a's but MWLegal id is not applied until v. bottom of page | 07:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | Let me look with FireBug | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | looks like there is a comma missing between a:active and a:visited in the CSS | 07:04 |
| +perlDreamer | but that's not causing this problem | 07:05 |
| carogray | i thought I fixed that missing comma - perhaps it is in uncommitted version tag.. | 07:05 |
| +perlDreamer | or it's cached | 07:05 |
| +perlDreamer | ah... | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | comma is OR | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | so, the CSS rule reads | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | #MWLegal a | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | OR | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | a:link | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | it is not | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | #MWLegal (a or a:link) | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | you see what I mean? | 07:07 |
| carogray | not following you | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | there is a line of CSS that reads | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | #MWLegal a, a:link, a:active a:visited | 07:07 |
| carogray | yes | 07:08 |
| carogray | ok but in my version there is a comma between actie and a:visited | 07:08 |
| +perlDreamer | that if an element matches "#MWLegal a" or "a:link" or "a:active" | 07:08 |
| +perlDreamer | #MWLegal only applies to the first element in the list | 07:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I think that you want that to say | 07:09 |
| carogray | aha, not mwlegal a:link or mwlegal a, or mwlegal a:visited | 07:09 |
| +perlDreamer | right! | 07:09 |
| carogray | right I get it... | 07:09 |
| carogray | aha so the mwlegal id is inherited by all a's because the a is in the mw id.... huh... who would have thunk it.... | 07:09 |
| carogray | so the comma should fix it... strange....but cool | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | no, not quite | 07:10 |
| carogray | actually if I put the comma in... how do I say all of the a's in mwlegal except hover should be this way? | 07:10 |
| carogray | right I just figured out that wouldn't be right.. | 07:11 |
| +perlDreamer | #mwlegal a:link, #mwlegal a:, #mwlegal a:visited | 07:11 |
| +perlDreamer | apply the ID to each one | 07:11 |
| carogray | so how DO I say all of the mwlegal a's oh right have to spell it all out... ok | 07:11 |
| carogray | one more slightly different _target is not allowed in xhtml strict?! | 07:11 |
| carogray | so can you open a link into a new window? | 07:13 |
| * perlDreamer doesn't know | 07:15 | |
| +perlDreamer | you'd have to check the spec | 07:15 |
| carogray | k - thanks for all your help, will let you alone now. | 07:15 |
| carogray | perfect it worked thanks! | 07:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: I now have a successful testbench. To test this fix, I need to shove in some data that does not map back to latin-1, then try various ways of adding content to the request that handles UTF-8, right? | 07:19 |
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| SquOnk | Morning | 15:48 |
| SquOnk | Well, VET morning, anyway :-) | 15:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | KlausH: Great job on the German translation! | 18:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | does anyone know how to turn off email notifications in ITransact? | 18:31 |
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| +bartjol | whoopisidaisy | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | bartjol: Good morning! | 18:33 |
| +bartjol | dinner time almost | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | bier:30 | 18:33 |
| +bartjol | I only wish | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | how's the VIES workflow thing coming? | 18:34 |
| +bartjol | aftyer a weekend of sailing with beaufort 5-6 and yesterday building walls I forgot to mention that I won't have the time for the VIES workflow | 18:34 |
| +bartjol | for thursday that is | 18:34 |
| +bartjol | so it is where it was last week | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know that I would trade boating and wall building for making workflows either ;) | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I spent the weekend camping at the beach | 18:36 |
| +bartjol | and right you are | 18:36 |
| +bartjol | at http://webgui.pastebin.com/mafe839c is the workflow itself as far as I made it (with probably a lot of flaws included) | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | who/what is "beaufort 5-6"? | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: ITransact paydriver is now working with utf8 content | 18:39 |
| +bartjol | wind force | 18:39 |
| @Haarg | nice | 18:39 |
| @Haarg | i'll have that CS email fix committed soon | 18:39 |
| +bartjol | perlDreamer: and on http://webgui.pastebin.com/m382658bd is the changed sub in TaxDriver/EU.pm | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | also, we may need to upgrade the driver soon. It sounds like future transactions will require an HMAC-SHA digest, and also possibly other identification keys for uniqueness | 18:40 |
| +bartjol | so I hope it's worth something | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | bartjol, I'll have a look at it soon. | 18:42 |
| +bartjol | I'm sorry | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to make a tall marketing person happy first | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | ;) | 18:42 |
| +bartjol | aah | 18:43 |
| +bartjol | well, I hope Tavis will be happy, gotta run now | 18:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | tavisto: it's fixed! | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | instruct your code minions to apply the patch quickly, and your woes will be lifted | 18:50 |
| @tavisto | woohoo! yeah saw your email and that made me remember to join irc :) | 18:50 |
| @tavisto | awesome, because we have like a few hundred dollars worth o' orders to process now | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm only asking a small percent of that... | 18:50 |
| @tavisto | riiiight.. I will give you a small percentage of the lashes if you don't get back to work! | 18:51 |
| @tavisto | *whip crack* | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | zoinks! | 18:51 |
| @tavisto | thanks for helping out with that though.. peeps were getting frustrating trying to give TGC money | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | well, we can't have that | 18:52 |
| @tavisto | um yeah.. that's bad. | 18:52 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re9e2155 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Handle UTF8 in XML data sent to ITransact. Adds a test. Fixes bug #10855. - http://bit.ly/21wIz | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | also, this single thing may have been preventing international adoption of WebGUI | 18:52 |
| SquOnk | lol | 18:52 |
| @tavisto | oh I see... so now you've given yourself the self-title of master eh? | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | since no Asian shops would work with ITransact | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | well, and as we found out, pieces of southern and eastern europe | 18:53 |
| @tavisto | well, I dont understand how that bug would affect domestic orders (2 different ones -- one in WI and the other in CA) but I'll have them give it a shot | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | it was what you were saying all along | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | products with certain international characters were not being handled by some code we use | 18:55 |
| @tavisto | oh, I'm not used to being right when suggesting the source of an issue | 18:55 |
| * perlDreamer looks around for an attack covered by false modesty | 18:56 | |
| @tavisto | normally you just magically fix it | 18:56 |
| @tavisto | *poof* all better | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | well, poofage aside, I'll listen to you more carefully next time | 19:01 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra0d2e98 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Add upgrade path from 7.6.35 to 7.7.17. - http://bit.ly/UMDSe | 19:02 |
| mducharme-work | hrm | 19:35 |
| mducharme-work | 7.7 stable release coming soon? | 19:35 |
| mducharme-work | the "add upgrade path" looks promising :) | 19:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | officially, I have no comment about upgrades | 19:46 |
| mducharme-work | hehe | 19:48 |
| SynQ | during the hackaton I will work on the WRE | 19:51 |
| SynQ | is there a restaurant where you can eat those beer-cows in Madison | 19:52 |
| SynQ | ? | 19:52 |
| SynQ | *diner* bbl | 19:52 |
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| * perlDreamer heads to the gym | 20:09 | |
| SynQ | ah | 20:37 |
| SynQ | that was a nice diner | 20:37 |
| mducharme-work | ? | 20:53 |
| mducharme-work | where? | 20:54 |
| mducharme-work | diners don't normally serve the healthiest food... | 20:54 |
| SynQ | dinner | 20:54 |
| SynQ | diner | 20:54 |
| SynQ | a nice dinner that was | 20:54 |
| mducharme-work | ahh dinner | 20:54 |
| mducharme-work | ok lol | 20:54 |
| SynQ | diner is the french original word for dinner | 20:55 |
| SynQ | which is also used in dutch | 20:55 |
| SynQ | as an alternative posh word for dinner | 20:55 |
| SynQ | hence the confusion | 20:55 |
| SynQ | is there going to be a 7.7 stable release candidate before the real thing will be released as stable | 20:59 |
| SynQ | ? | 20:59 |
| SynQ | so that we can 'test' the upgrade path | 20:59 |
| SynQ | and fix it before we call the upgradepath robust? | 21:00 |
| @Haarg | due to the nature of the upgrades i'm not sure that is possible. but it should be testable as it exists right now. | 21:01 |
| SynQ | ah | 21:01 |
| SynQ | who is testing the upgrade and on what kind of sites? | 21:01 |
| carogray | I know I have had this answer before. but I just can't keep it all together. Ddoes something have to be turned on or something done at DNS end for a mail form on PB server to actually send mail or will it do it all by itself without having to do anything? | 21:01 |
| SynQ | since webgui.org is allready 7.7 that cannot be used as an 'upgrade testbed' | 21:02 |
| @Haarg | as long as you configure the dataform correctly it should send mail | 21:02 |
| SynQ | once 7.7 goes stable, is PlainBlack going to upgrade all their sites from 7.6 to 7.7 that same day? | 21:03 |
| SynQ | or is PB going to wait for feedback on that? | 21:03 |
| @Haarg | i'm not sure of the plan for that. it won't be immediately, but it will be pretty soon after. | 21:03 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: what's the plan for today? | 21:44 |
| SynQ | shout shout let it all out | 22:09 |
| SynQ | com'on | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: how does a stable release differ from a regular ol' maintenance release? | 22:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ: I've tested upgrading a dev site, and it worked well | 22:30 |
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| SynQ | perlDreamer: 'a dev site' | 22:32 |
| SynQ | how many? | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | 1 | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | mysql -u -p < docs/create.sql | 22:33 |
| SynQ | with how much variation in content and past upgrades | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | none | 22:33 |
| SynQ | do you think that suffies? | 22:34 |
| +perlDreamer | if I had something better to work with, I'd use it | 22:35 |
| SynQ | is that a yes? | 22:36 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ: it doesn't provide 100% coverage of the upgrade script. So logically, no. | 22:36 |
| SynQ | well | 22:36 |
| SynQ | that is still a political answer | 22:37 |
| SynQ | what does your gut feeling say? | 22:37 |
| SynQ | if you are confident that this suffies so am I | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ: I certainly wouldn't mind testing it on a site with Thingy, EMS, Products, ThingyRecord, CS, Poll, Survey, DataTables, Calendars and Shop. | 22:38 |
| SynQ | but if you feel uneasy about it | 22:38 |
| SynQ | come on | 22:39 |
| * perlDreamer is normally always a fan of more testing | 22:39 | |
| SynQ | are you a politician? | 22:39 |
| +perlDreamer | no, I'm a developer with finite resources | 22:39 |
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| SynQ | hehe | 22:39 |
| SynQ | and you feel I'm driving you into a corner | 22:39 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 22:40 |
| SynQ | I'm sorry about that | 22:40 |
| SynQ | that is not my intention | 22:40 |
| +perlDreamer | if you're willing to volunteer a site dump and upgrades, I'd run the upgrade script on it | 22:40 |
| SynQ | I just want to know what your gut feeling is | 22:40 |
| +perlDreamer | honestly, I'm about 85% confident in it | 22:40 |
| SynQ | if you say 'I would just use this upgrade script on all my production sites' I'm satisfied | 22:40 |
| SynQ | ok | 22:41 |
| SynQ | that is a great answer | 22:41 |
| SynQ | now I can ask the following question :) | 22:41 |
| SynQ | what would have to be done to get that extra 15% out of it? | 22:41 |
| @preaction | more testing in the field. which won't happen until we call it stable | 22:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I need a site with the aforementioned features | 22:41 |
| SynQ | and how much resources would that cost? | 22:41 |
| +perlDreamer | it's time, and access to sites who are willing to volunteer for an upgrade | 22:42 |
| SynQ | preaction: isn't that normally what release candidates are for? | 22:42 |
| @preaction | does anybody actually use RCs? | 22:42 |
| SynQ | I have a shop site that can be upgraded | 22:42 |
| SynQ | preaction: yes | 22:42 |
| SynQ | I do | 22:42 |
| SynQ | on my 'toy' systems | 22:43 |
| SynQ | sites like www.gevat.nl | 22:43 |
| SynQ | but if you call it RC | 22:43 |
| SynQ | at least you are communicating that you are not very sure yet that it will work | 22:43 |
| SynQ | which is fair to the users I think | 22:43 |
| +perlDreamer | that's why we call it "beta" | 22:44 |
| @preaction | is that what "beta" is? | 22:44 |
| SynQ | no | 22:44 |
| SynQ | in the WebGUI sense of 'beta' | 22:44 |
| SynQ | beta is 'a product that contains new features that are not done yet | 22:44 |
| SynQ | but there is no 'beta' upgrade script to get from 'stable 7.6' to 'stable 7.7' | 22:45 |
| SynQ | which worries me | 22:45 |
| SynQ | there is only one | 22:45 |
| SynQ | tested on only one non production site | 22:45 |
| SynQ | but if perlDreamer says 85% | 22:45 |
| SynQ | that is good enough for me | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ, so if the upgrade script was released at stable-1, you'd be happier? | 22:46 |
| SynQ | I do think however that it is fair to communicate that 15% to the other users | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | that's just my opinion | 22:46 |
| @preaction | so talk in the Presidents' meeting about a better RC schedule. right now I have no choices, it's no use to keep WebGUI as beta, there are no more shallow bugs to be found | 22:46 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: no | 22:46 |
| SynQ | preaction: my consern can be taken away by providing an upgrade script from 'stable 7.6' to 'stable 7.7'.+1 | 22:47 |
| SynQ | which contains bugfixes for the things that where broken in the first version of the upgrade script | 22:47 |
| @preaction | if there is a problem in the upgrade script from 7.6-7.7, there will be fixes in the next 7.7 release | 22:48 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: there should not be 'only one' version of the upgrade script | 22:48 |
| @preaction | (as well as gotchas and most likely a patch if you want to use it) | 22:48 |
| SynQ | I know that | 22:48 |
| SynQ | perhaps I should give up allready | 22:49 |
| SynQ | ok | 22:49 |
| SynQ | I give up | 22:49 |
| SynQ | just release it | 22:49 |
| @preaction | i'm not the right person to be talking to really, consensus in the presidents' meeting will be more productive | 22:49 |
| SynQ | preaction: but won't that be after the fact :) | 22:49 |
| @preaction | yes, but we've got a lot ahead of us to improve on | 22:50 |
| SynQ | true | 22:50 |
| SynQ | just to resume: I'm very happy with perlDreamer's 85% gut feeling :) | 22:50 |
| +perlDreamer | perlDreamer's gut would be happier with 100%, but will have to do with another slice of pizza for lunch | 22:51 |
| SynQ | but I'll hold up upgrading my clients sites till after the wuc | 22:51 |
| SynQ | just to make sure I'm not spending all WUC fixing broken things :) | 22:51 |
| SynQ | I rather drink beer with you guys | 22:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I think I'll do the same thing | 22:53 |
| +perlDreamer | except that I don't have any client sites | 22:53 |
| SynQ | hehe | 22:55 |
| SynQ | I'm glad I don't have to do patspam's upgrades | 22:55 |
| +perlDreamer | that kristi is so methodical | 22:56 |
| +perlDreamer | We have to get her using Selenium | 22:56 |
| SynQ | what are you referring to? | 22:57 |
| SynQ | kristi is a dear | 22:57 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: have you noticed the karma list recently? | 22:57 |
| SynQ | with ning above you | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | No, I haven't. Good for ning! | 22:57 |
| SynQ | the design contest is over | 22:57 |
| SynQ | without any bells and wistles | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | at least there was more than 1 entry | 22:59 |
| SynQ | that is true | 22:59 |
| SynQ | ah | 22:59 |
| SynQ | my parents are over | 22:59 |
| SynQ | I'll be back after coffee | 22:59 |
| SynQ | ~ | 22:59 |
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| carogray | Haarg: thanks for replying back when I saw you replied but didn't read carefully enough to notice it was to me... I have now tested and at the email function does work - still working on styling the form though, but function is #1 priority. | 23:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | DatePicker is fixed. | 23:19 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r13c588f / (2 files in 2 dirs): | 23:22 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Fix the DateTime form control, to actually update the time when changed | 23:22 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: in the text box. - http://bit.ly/Qn9WP | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | starting regression tests | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | regressions pass, except for Macro/UsersOnline | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | that could be a leaking test before it | 23:50 |
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| dionak | sweet! | 00:12 |
| SynQ | dionak: that's me, I can't help it ;) | 00:13 |
| SynQ | but I can assure you that my daughter is even sweeter | 00:13 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r81a256b / (5 files in 3 dirs): fixed codearea to work better and more compatible - http://bit.ly/DWUtH | 00:22 |
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| +BartJol | perlDreamer: and, did you make that tall sales person happy | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto should be happier | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | although he didn't say anything... | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | perhaps he's waiting for someone to hot patch his server for him with that bug fix | 00:59 |
| +BartJol | and you wouldn't? | 01:00 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd8ae7fc / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 01:22 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: When purging an asset, clean up all version tags for this asset, which may | 01:22 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: contain only this asset. Fixes #10872 - http://bit.ly/2GlEV | 01:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | Bartjol: I don't have root access _everywhere_ :) | 01:34 |
| +BartJol | But I found some cool sailing pictures | 01:35 |
| +BartJol | no? | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | not yet | 01:35 |
| +BartJol | strange | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | what cool sailing pictures? | 01:35 |
| +BartJol | http://www.fotoboot.nl/fotos/zzr09/slides/ZZR-2119.html | 01:35 |
| +BartJol | http://www.fotoboot.nl/fotos/zzr09/slides/ZZR-2191.html | 01:36 |
| +BartJol | I'm he one on the ftont in the black jacket | 01:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's too bad they put the watermark right on your face | 01:38 |
| +BartJol | well, if I pay, they will remove it | 01:38 |
| +BartJol | but it gives an impression on why I walk crooked | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | crooked? | 01:40 |
| +BartJol | with some slope | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, because you're a sailor | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | you're not walking crooked, the earth is too flat | 01:41 |
| +BartJol | yes, I'm used to a floor that has a slope of 40 degrees | 01:41 |
| +BartJol | and moves | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | you could build your house that way, for comfort | 01:41 |
| +BartJol | when I drink I compensate for that ;) | 01:42 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r838ae00 / (t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): | 01:42 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Provide a way for tests to purge assets with all their (hidden and unreachable) | 01:42 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: version tags. Fix Survey.t that was leaking versionTags. - http://bit.ly/1uASP8 | 01:42 |
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| CIA-53 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rd1f8ef2 / wre/var/setupfiles/wre.conf : Annotate the next expected version. - http://bit.ly/6dsaf | 01:47 |
| CIA-53 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * re646eb1 / (4 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/wrebuild - http://bit.ly/13J6UT | 01:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | what the heck was that? | 01:51 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r6f3980a / (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed #10838: Forwarded forum post email to new CS adds reply to original thread - http://bit.ly/sirXH | 01:52 |
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| +BartJol | what? | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | that 2nd git commit note | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | when we go to git, I'm afraid I'm going to be a walking disaster for a while | 01:53 |
| +BartJol | well, you'll be ok | 01:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | first regression on source install passes | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | time to look at WRE | 01:58 |
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| SDuensin | preaction - I'm staying on the Colloquy guys until that stupid notice issue is fixed. :-) | 02:35 |
| @preaction | heh, good luck | 02:37 |
| SDuensin | http://colloquy.info/project/ticket/1547 | 02:38 |
| SDuensin | Got the guy in IRC now. | 02:38 |
| +cap10morgan | SDuensin: i hope you convince them! seems like every other IRC client has this figured out. but colloquy is different (and worse) for no good reason. | 02:45 |
| SDuensin | You all need to pop over to #Colloquy and join the complaints. And add to my ticket! | 02:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | what if I don't use Colloquy? | 02:51 |
| SDuensin | Pretend. :-P | 02:51 |
| +perlDreamer | Ha! | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, are you going to let me into your server so I can check out this funky, unreproducible package bug? | 02:52 |
| SDuensin | Just close it. Mark it "user is insane" or something. :-P | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 03:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I think you're missing out, though | 03:15 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * redae7a3 / (docs/create.sql lib/WebGUI.pm): preparing for 7.7.19 release - http://bit.ly/HZVI8 | 03:32 |
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| carogray | I haven't finished yet, but I have finally almost finished. The penny has dropped thanks to the configure your own website and the WebGUI demos, but I couldn't have done it all if it weren't for you lot here on the support board. I am off to bed, but will be able to sleep through the night knowing I am nearly finished and would not be in this place if it weren't for you guys here on the support board. THANKYOU!!!! and goodnight wit | 06:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | yay! one less bug | 06:46 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * radc5e69 / lib/WebGUI/Form/Codearea.pm : remove logger - http://bit.ly/30elcc | 06:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | go KlausH go! | 07:56 |
| +perlDreamer | 88.8 % | 07:56 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r21f4bb1 / docs/gotcha.txt : Add note about minimum upgrade requirements. - http://bit.ly/fXWgM | 08:02 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra259d1e / docs/gotcha.txt : 19 > 17 - http://bit.ly/14B6qK | 08:02 |
| @Haarg | i rather like the look of this module: http://search.cpan.org/~nuffin/Try-Tiny-0.01/lib/Try/Tiny.pm | 08:15 |
| @Haarg | would be nice to use as long as moose isn't an option | 08:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Moose has try/catch syntax in it? | 08:19 |
| @Haarg | http://search.cpan.org/~ash/TryCatch-1.001001/lib/TryCatch.pm | 08:20 |
| @Haarg | it's a really nice exception catching module. but it requires moose, devel::declare and some other things. | 08:21 |
| +perlDreamer | that's pretty heavy | 08:25 |
| SynQ | well | 08:25 |
| SynQ | I say we try and see if that is not too much trouble to put unto the WRE at the hackaton | 08:26 |
| SynQ | ok? | 08:26 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ: I am happy to report that one production site has been upgraded from 7.6 to 7.7 with no issues | 08:26 |
| @Haarg | which? | 08:26 |
| SynQ | moose | 08:26 |
| @Haarg | heh | 08:26 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: how many % does that add to your confidence? 5? :) | 08:27 |
| +perlDreamer | putting it into the WRE, and having permission to use it in WebGUI are totally different things | 08:27 |
| @Haarg | i doubt there would be any reason it wouldn't install fine | 08:27 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: true, but it helps | 08:27 |
| @Haarg | the issue is still memory usage, which i'm not convinced is a real problem | 08:27 |
| SynQ | Haarg: for that we would have to make an overview of how much mem each currently used perl module uses | 08:28 |
| SynQ | and see what we can shave off of the WRE | 08:28 |
| @Haarg | there's not much that could easily be removed | 08:29 |
| @Haarg | all of our prereqs are there for a reason. | 08:29 |
| SynQ | I know | 08:29 |
| SynQ | I didn't say it would be easy | 08:29 |
| mducharme1 | webgui.org is currently undergoing maintenance? | 08:29 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 08:29 |
| +perlDreamer | long, slow, painful maintenance | 08:29 |
| mducharme1 | upgrade to 7.7? | 08:30 |
| +perlDreamer | wg.org is always the latest version of WebGUI | 08:30 |
| +perlDreamer | it's been 7.7 for a while | 08:30 |
| SynQ | time for breakfast | 08:30 |
| +perlDreamer | pannenkoeken? | 08:30 |
| SynQ | ah now | 08:30 |
| SynQ | bread or cornflakes with milk | 08:30 |
| mducharme1 | ahh | 08:30 |
| SynQ | I'll be back | 08:31 |
| mducharme1 | 7.7.19 stable release tomorrow? | 08:31 |
| +perlDreamer | should be tonight | 08:31 |
| mducharme1 | looks like that from the updates above.. | 08:31 |
| mducharme1 | ahh | 08:31 |
| +perlDreamer | it's still today here | 08:31 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not tomorrow yet | 08:31 |
| @Haarg | the thing with moose is that it adds something like 5MB to the memory usage. but that should be pre-fork so it shouldn't really matter. | 08:35 |
| +perlDreamer | would we have to write some glue code so that Moose could use Crud as an ORM? | 08:42 |
| +perlDreamer | or would we also have to start using DBIx::Class or something? | 08:42 |
| @preaction | moose is just an object system. Crud would use Moose | 08:43 |
| @preaction | crud could also use DBIx::Class | 08:43 |
| @preaction | or Crud could BE DBIx::Class (my mistake for not realizing that sooner) | 08:43 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r36dd8ee / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.7.20 development. - http://bit.ly/3ww9Qp | 09:13 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.7.19 is stable | 09:18 |
| +perlDreamer | 'night all | 09:18 |
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| +cap10morgan | whoa, 7.7.19 is stable!? sweet. thanks team! | 16:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, all | 17:40 |
| daviddelikat1 | mornin | 17:40 |
| +perlDreamer | is everybody busy upgrading to the latest stable this morning? | 17:41 |
| daviddelikat1 | no, I'm trying to earn some money | 17:41 |
| +perlDreamer | that's good, too | 17:43 |
| daviddelikat1 | kinda quiet this morning | 17:45 |
| +perlDreamer | we were all up late last night for the stable release | 17:48 |
| +perlDreamer | except for bartjol, who was up late last night doing translations | 17:49 |
| daviddelikat1 | I saw the new git repo | 17:49 |
| +bartjol | I did 1 site | 17:49 |
| daviddelikat1 | I'll have to get my dev system converted | 17:49 |
| daviddelikat1 | unfortunately nothing seems to be working at my dev site so I can't get anything done... | 17:50 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r4bf6180 / (4 files in 3 dirs): change versions to 7.8.0 - http://bit.ly/18Dw56 | 17:50 |
| +perlDreamer | nothing seems to be working? | 17:51 |
| daviddelikat1 | well, nothing that relates to what I need to fix... | 17:52 |
| +perlDreamer | what's going on? | 17:52 |
| daviddelikat1 | im not sure | 17:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm somewhat familiar with WebGUI, I may be able to help you sort it out. | 17:52 |
| daviddelikat1 | i hope i can fix it soon though | 17:52 |
| +bartjol | I did the translations today actually | 17:53 |
| daviddelikat1 | well, when I click on a ticket the loadign box just sits there... no ticket... | 17:53 |
| daviddelikat1 | and there are no errors | 17:53 |
| daviddelikat1 | oops, I had a breakpoint set in firebug... | 17:54 |
| daviddelikat1 | hate it when that happens | 17:54 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 17:54 |
| +bartjol | perlDreamer: somewhat familiar? I thought you were the master of Gooeys | 17:54 |
| daviddelikat1 | hes being modest | 17:55 |
| daviddelikat1 | it never really works | 17:55 |
| daviddelikat1 | because people see right through it | 17:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I spent about half an hour looking up key bindings so I could debug the DatePicker | 17:55 |
| +bartjol | so? what do you want to prove? | 18:05 |
| +perlDreamer | just empathasizing with FireBug stuff | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I was trying to use the debugger | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | but the JS widget I was debugging had an onChange action setup | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | so I'd make a change, try to click the debugger controls, which would make the form lose focus | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | and clicking in the form would call onChange again | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | so I had to track down the keyboard bindings | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | which aren't documented in FireBug itself, but in a webpage in their docs | 18:07 |
| daviddelikat1 | does the safari debugger do any better? | 18:07 |
| daviddelikat1 | the problem with firebug is that it is written in javascript | 18:08 |
| daviddelikat1 | and it causes some things to happen just by using it... | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction's blog post would indicate that the safari debugger rocks | 18:09 |
| daviddelikat1 | but is is implemented in JS? I have not used it much, but I think that it is, and so would suffer most of the same issues | 18:10 |
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| @Haarg | i would expect it isn't | 18:10 |
| daviddelikat1 | the design might be better, but... | 18:10 |
| daviddelikat1 | I guess I'll have to try using it more | 18:10 |
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| @Haarg | i haven't actually used safari's, but firebug's debugger is pretty poor. | 18:11 |
| daviddelikat1 | the only really good debugger will be integrated into the JS engine | 18:12 |
| daviddelikat1 | of course that can be done badly as well | 18:12 |
| @Haarg | well, firebug is using the hooks designed for js debugging that are built in to the javascript engine. | 18:17 |
| daviddelikat1 | oddly enough I probably don't know enough about this to have a valid opinion about it... | 18:19 |
| daviddelikat1 | I just can't seem to get any decent debugging like I do in C and other favored languages... | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | C been around a bit longer | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | but yeah, you'd think they could leverage it | 18:21 |
| @Haarg | i still tend to not use debugging at all. i always end up just sticking warns, alerts, etc around in code to test stuff. | 18:21 |
| @Haarg | last time i did much interactive debugging was visual basic | 18:21 |
| daviddelikat1 | I find that messages are better also, I just don't seem to be able to get things to work in JS | 18:22 |
| CIA-53 | wrebuild: JT Smith master * r280878c / wre/docs/install.txt : made a note about wre console port - http://bit.ly/bvRdO | 18:22 |
| CIA-53 | wrebuild: JT Smith master * r78ff9bb / (2 files): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/wrebuild - http://bit.ly/199rZB | 18:22 |
| daviddelikat1 | a functions gotta get called before it puts up any messages... | 18:22 |
| daviddelikat1 | one of the curses of event driven programming | 18:22 |
| +perlDreamer | git pull will fetch&merge all branches, or only the branch I'm currently in? | 18:23 |
| @Haarg | just the current branch | 18:23 |
| +perlDreamer | and similarly with push? | 18:25 |
| @Haarg | yes | 18:25 |
| @Haarg | you can push arbitrary branches by doing 'git push origin master webgui-7.7' | 18:25 |
| @Haarg | which pushes master and webgui-7.7 to origin, which is the default name of the remote you cloned from | 18:26 |
| @Haarg | wait | 18:27 |
| @Haarg | sorry, i forgot i configured mine differently | 18:28 |
| @Haarg | 'git push' by default will push all matching branches | 18:28 |
| @Haarg | so everything you have locally that came from the remote it will push | 18:28 |
| @Haarg | it can be configured to do other things though | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | pushing everything sounds easy, but dangerous | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we should also have a recommended git config? | 18:29 |
| @Haarg | i was just working on that actually | 18:29 |
| * perlDreamer will proceed slowly and carefully in the meantime | 18:30 | |
| +perlDreamer | is the capitalization of /data/webgui significant? | 18:31 |
| @Haarg | nope | 18:31 |
| daviddelikat1 | the simple thing to do ( I think) is only commit what you really want to check in | 18:31 |
| daviddelikat1 | cuz if it aint been committed it wont get pushed | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | that's not a bad policy, but there are times that unpushed version history would have helped me a lot | 18:33 |
| @Haarg | unpushed version history? | 18:34 |
| daviddelikat1 | I can definitely understand that, | 18:35 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1b9c2f3 / (3 files in 3 dirs): fix 10838, AdSku template variable help. - http://bit.ly/NArYz | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I was working on some file, then made changes to it, and wanted to revert back to exactly what I had before | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | doing that in SVN is hard | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | doing that in git is easy | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | except for all the commits which get pushed afterward | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | and I understand that those can be squashed if necessary | 18:38 |
| daviddelikat1 | so is it possible to tell git to push only a spec commit? | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | how does conflict resolution work in git? | 18:40 |
| @Haarg | daviddelikat1, yes | 18:42 |
| @Haarg | for conflict resolution, you have to be fully up to date before you push | 18:42 |
| daviddelikat1 | that seems to me like the next simplest solution | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I merged in that commit to the 7.7 branch, and there was a merge conflict in the changelog. | 18:43 |
| daviddelikat1 | so git pull/fetch before git push? | 18:43 |
| @Haarg | when you say merge, you mean cherry-pick or something else? | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | so what's the git analogue to "svn resolved" | 18:43 |
| @Haarg | git add | 18:43 |
| daviddelikat1 | does the conflict come during a push or commit? | 18:45 |
| daviddelikat1 | or pull? | 18:45 |
| @Haarg | pull | 18:45 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra665ef4 / (3 files in 3 dirs): fix 10838, AdSku template variable help. - http://bit.ly/qJO6y | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | cherry-pick | 18:45 |
| daviddelikat1 | seems like any one of the trhee could result in conflict | 18:45 |
| @Haarg | or any of the other merge type commands | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I _think_ that was done cleanly | 18:46 |
| @Haarg | commit is local only | 18:46 |
| @Haarg | so there isn't really any possibility of a conflict | 18:46 |
| @Haarg | push will only function if you are up to date | 18:46 |
| daviddelikat1 | what if I did a fetch? | 18:46 |
| @Haarg | fetch only updates the remote branches, not any local tracking branches you have | 18:46 |
| @Haarg | you never make changes to the remote branches themselves | 18:47 |
| daviddelikat1 | I thought fetch brought down items without updating the working files.. | 18:48 |
| @Haarg | there is basically 'master on github' -> 'origin/master as remote branch (local)' -> 'master, your local tracking branch' | 18:48 |
| @Haarg | correct | 18:48 |
| daviddelikat1 | so I could have something different in my local copy of the repo than is in my working files? | 18:48 |
| daviddelikat1 | wouldn't that leave open the possibility of a conflict? | 18:49 |
| @Haarg | locally, you have origin/master. it represents the last known state of master on the remote system. | 18:49 |
| @Haarg | you never make changes to it directly | 18:50 |
| @Haarg | it get updated by a fetch or a push though | 18:50 |
| @Haarg | your local master branch is separate from that | 18:50 |
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| @Haarg | your local master branch is where you commit, and will diverge from origin/master | 18:50 |
| daviddelikat1 | so fetch updates local/master but commit updates something else? | 18:50 |
| daviddelikat1 | I see | 18:50 |
| daviddelikat1 | much clearer | 18:51 |
| daviddelikat1 | thanks | 18:51 |
| @Haarg | when you want to push, it can't work unless origin/master is up to date with the remote system. i don't remember, but it may do an automatic fetch to make sure of that. | 18:51 |
| @Haarg | once origin/master is up to date, it will merge your changes onto that through various means | 18:52 |
| @Haarg | and then push will upload your changes to the remote server and update origin/master and master on the remote system | 18:53 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, http://gist.github.com/179782 | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | alias.st is in there twice | 18:55 |
| @Haarg | does that need more explanation? | 18:55 |
| @Haarg | oop | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I think people will grok ignoring and colorizing | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | but the tracking and pushing sections could use a little more explanation as to what they will do | 18:57 |
| @Haarg | well | 18:57 |
| @Haarg | the pushing thing makes it so it will push the current branch if it is set up as a tracking branch | 18:57 |
| @Haarg | which leads into explaining what a tracking branch is | 18:57 |
| @bopbop | up, perldreamer? | 18:58 |
| @Haarg | branch.autosetuprebase remote means when you do a pull, instead of a merge it does a rebase | 18:58 |
| @bopbop | um, I mean... | 18:58 |
| @bopbop | not up | 18:58 |
| @bopbop | I have a question when you have a chance | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm here and ready to apologize for bugs | 18:58 |
| @bopbop | :) | 18:58 |
| @Haarg | which means it tries to apply your commits to the end of the remote branch instead of just doing a merge | 18:59 |
| @Haarg | and you end up with a more linear history | 18:59 |
| @bopbop | can you go here: http://betatraining.plainblack.com/home/shop/ems | 18:59 |
| @bopbop | and click on schdule | 18:59 |
| @bopbop | schedule | 18:59 |
| @bopbop | see how it says Special Presenter 2 in all columns? | 18:59 |
| @bopbop | does that seem right? | 18:59 |
| @Haarg | if you look at the wrebuild history for example, there are lots of 'merged master' commits that don't really add anything and just make the history more confusing. it would basically eliminate those. | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: I've been seeing those from CIA. | 19:00 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | bopbop, they don't seem right | 19:00 |
| @bopbop | Jan 17 looks better | 19:00 |
| @bopbop | I'll post a bug for now then | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | bopbop: yes, but there are empty columns, too | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd recommend packaging up that EMS and making a bug report | 19:01 |
| @bopbop | ok | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat1, do you have a moment? | 19:01 |
| daviddelikat1 | sorry, for snooping bopbop, but how do you like the schedule tables? | 19:01 |
| daviddelikat1 | I do | 19:02 |
| * mducharme-work prepares to upgrade his servers to 7.7.... | 19:02 | |
| +perlDreamer | could you take a peek at the schedule dispaly on bopbop's site? | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | http://betatraining.plainblack.com/home/shop/ems | 19:02 |
| daviddelikat1 | I'm looking already | 19:02 |
| @Haarg | http://blog.woobling.org/2009/08/git-rebase-for-impatient.html and http://blog.woobling.org/2009/05/git-rebase-considered-awesome.html explain mostly why i think using rebase for pulls is a good idea | 19:02 |
| daviddelikat1 | I couldn't help peaking since I've never seen it in use... | 19:03 |
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| daviddelikat1 | does not look ok to me | 19:03 |
| @Haarg | i'm just not certain if i can explain those entries in a concise enough format to make it worthwhile. | 19:05 |
| mducharme-work | hmm in the webgui gotchas file under 7.7.7 it lists: * WebGUI now requires JavsScript::Minifier::XS 0.05 | 19:06 |
| daviddelikat1 | Haarg: I think if you just comment that it makes a cleaner history that will suffice | 19:06 |
| mducharme-work | is that supposed to say JavaScript and not JavsScript? | 19:06 |
| +bartjol | mducharme-work: I suspect a type-o | 19:07 |
| +bartjol | from testEnvironment.pl: checkModule("JavaScript::Minifier::XS", "0.05" ); | 19:09 |
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| mducharme-work | ok | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, in that case, just add the links as rationale | 19:12 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7b15f13 / docs/gotcha.txt : Fix a spelling typo. - http://bit.ly/Di57K | 19:13 |
| @bopbop | daviddelikat1: I think the look of it is nice...but yeah, it's busted atm | 19:14 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r0b1f509 / docs/gotcha.txt : Fix a spelling typo. - http://bit.ly/3RFLZI | 19:14 |
| daviddelikat1 | I'm not sure what it will do with only one event location, I'm trying it out on my test site | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | mducharme-work: fixed that typo | 19:15 |
| mducharme-work | perlDreamer: thanks, that was quick :) | 19:16 |
| mducharme-work | are you colin kuskie? | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I am today. | 19:16 |
| mducharme-work | lol | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | tomorrow, based on the sentiments of Mrs. Kuskie, I could be mud. | 19:16 |
| mducharme-work | hehe | 19:17 |
| mducharme-work | woo, well here goes nothing | 19:17 |
| daviddelikat1 | theres no shame in mud, we all wear it now and trhen | 19:17 |
| mducharme-work | 7.7 here we come | 19:17 |
| mducharme-work | it'd help if I'm running mysql first probably | 19:17 |
| mducharme-work | lol | 19:17 |
| mducharme-work | if mysql was running rather | 19:17 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, http://gist.github.com/179782 | 19:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | mducharme-work: one big caveat about upgrading to 7.7 | 19:18 |
| +perlDreamer | you absolutely must upgrade to 7.6.35 first | 19:18 |
| mducharme-work | I was already on the latest 7.6 version | 19:18 |
| +perlDreamer | and the upgrade from 7.7.18 to 7.7.19 can take a while | 19:18 |
| mducharme-work | which was 7.6.35 yes | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | that looks good, Haarg. | 19:21 |
| daviddelikat1 | perlDreamer: I have just made an event and mine looks OK, http://delikat.homeip.net:8080/ not sure what to think... | 19:22 |
| mducharme-work | no errors visible in the upgrade output, upgrade is done | 19:22 |
| mducharme-work | testing sites | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a package of bopbop's EMS in the bug report | 19:22 |
| mducharme-work | wtf is a file pump | 19:23 |
| mducharme-work | heh | 19:23 |
| daviddelikat1 | perhaps I will work on that since I cant get help desk to cooperate with me right now... | 19:23 |
| @preaction | Haarg: if you have time, could you add a README file to WGDev with install instructions so that it shows up on github? | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | file pump is a way to reduce page load times | 19:24 |
| @bopbop | daviddelikat1: you have empty columns, though | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | it clumps up and minimizes your javascript, CSS and other files | 19:25 |
| @Haarg | i've been meaning to do that. right now it autogenerates the readme through Module::Build, but that's not a very good way to go | 19:25 |
| daviddelikat1 | yes, that can be configured away | 19:25 |
| @bopbop | and where's your badge> | 19:25 |
| daviddelikat1 | but at least all the stuff lines up the way it should | 19:25 |
| daviddelikat1 | I only added the meeting/ticket item... | 19:26 |
| @bopbop | in mine, the first two dates are goofy, but my last date looks like yours | 19:26 |
| daviddelikat1 | it is not quite right either though | 19:26 |
| daviddelikat1 | the first column is empty | 19:26 |
| daviddelikat1 | I'll try uploading the package you posted with the bug report and see how it goes... | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | is 7.8 considered a "minor" version? | 19:27 |
| @preaction | yes | 19:27 |
| @preaction | Major.Minor.Bugfix | 19:27 |
| @bopbop | ok, and see how in mine, the column below the location is empty? | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | so that means I can fix this: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10549 | 19:27 |
| @bopbop | I'm gonna double check my tickets and make sure I didn't screw anything up in there, but they should be ok | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat1: there's a package of that EMS in the bug report, if you want exactly what bopbop has on her site. | 19:28 |
| daviddelikat1 | if there is any problems with the data it should have required a user edit to fix it and so is another bug... | 19:28 |
| @bopbop | AND, my dates are wrong | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | but first, the aforeunmentioned Ad and Ad Sales work! | 19:29 |
| @bopbop | my tickets are scheduled for September, and the schedule is displaying January | 19:29 |
| @bopbop | I'm headed there next perlDreamer :) | 19:29 |
| mducharme-work | hrm | 19:29 |
| mducharme-work | I have a server that is running the webgui vmware image | 19:29 |
| mducharme-work | I can't install Digest::SHA on it | 19:29 |
| mducharme-work | it says "cc: command not found" | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | did you install a C compiler? | 19:30 |
| mducharme-work | another guy set this up with the vmware image | 19:30 |
| @bopbop | daviddelikat1: are you saying report a second bug re. dates? | 19:30 |
| mducharme-work | what distro is this running? | 19:30 |
| mducharme-work | heh | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I believe it's CentOS | 19:30 |
| daviddelikat1 | i'm looking into it... | 19:30 |
| @bopbop | ok | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | cat /etc/redhat-* | 19:30 |
| mducharme-work | I'm doing a yum install gcc | 19:31 |
| mducharme-work | will see if that takes care of it | 19:31 |
| mducharme-work | I would imagine cc is just a symlink to gcc | 19:31 |
| @preaction | http://www.webgui.org/develop/forum/let-testing-reign <- anybody want to weigh in before the world gets to it? | 19:32 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: translation * r12320 /translations/German/German/PayDriver_ExpressCheckout.pm: Update from translation server | 19:33 |
| @Haarg | oop | 19:34 |
| @Haarg | preaction, did you see the stuff i said over skype? | 19:34 |
| @preaction | which stuff? | 19:34 |
| @preaction | oh, now i see | 19:35 |
| @Haarg | about upgrades/packages/extras | 19:35 |
| @preaction | yes, that's why i put the quantifier "probably" on my exceptions clause | 19:35 |
| @preaction | there are those two things that can't be well tested | 19:35 |
| @preaction | some template changes can't be well tested, especially template CSS compatibility issues | 19:36 |
| @preaction | and testing upgrades is something that i've got an itch i'll be scratching soon i hope | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | any exclusions should be documented | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | even for Selenium tests | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | how many/which browsers do we have to test in Selenium? | 19:38 |
| @preaction | JT's telling me right now that UI-level tests are exempt | 19:38 |
| mducharme-work | that did it... | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | good :) | 19:43 |
| mducharme-work | woohoo, now all my servers are running 7.7 | 19:44 |
| mducharme-work | now I just have to figure out this storymanager thing | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | start by adding a Story Archive to your site | 19:45 |
| mducharme-work | ok, a quick question, about how I can do something with the storymanager | 19:45 |
| +perlDreamer | sure! | 19:45 |
| mducharme-work | or rather whether or not I can do something with it | 19:45 |
| mducharme-work | at the moment, my site has a news page.. I have a shortcut on the main page that overrides to one threat per page to only show the topmost news article on the main page | 19:45 |
| mducharme-work | er, thread | 19:45 |
| mducharme-work | is that possible with story manager too? | 19:46 |
| @preaction | yes | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | you should be able to shortcut a StoryArchive and do the same thing | 19:46 |
| @preaction | you can use the Story Topic asset to pull stories from the Story Archives | 19:47 |
| mducharme-work | ahh! | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | or, you could use RSS and the SyndicatedContent asset to do it | 19:47 |
| mducharme-work | that might be exactly what I want | 19:47 |
| mducharme-work | ok | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | this thing is very flexible | 19:47 |
| daviddelikat1 | bopbop: 2 of the three events have a blank location | 19:47 |
| mducharme-work | yeah I used to get race conditions with RSS and syndicatedcontent | 19:47 |
| mducharme-work | a long time ago, so I've been nervous about that since | 19:47 |
| mducharme-work | heh | 19:47 |
| daviddelikat1 | i'm not sure if this should be dis-allowed, but it seems to me that it should | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | well, locations aren't currently required by EMS. They're optional. | 19:50 |
| daviddelikat1 | that is what I meant by a data bug report | 19:50 |
| daviddelikat1 | in that case the schedule needs to be fixed to handle that correctly | 19:51 |
| daviddelikat1 | it currently uses the name of the location to fill the cells in the table | 19:52 |
| daviddelikat1 | that is why it shows up in all the columns except the one that is not blank | 19:52 |
| daviddelikat1 | the one at my dev site has been fixed | 19:52 |
| daviddelikat1 | then there is the date issue | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe if the location is blank, they should all be lumped into 1 column | 19:53 |
| daviddelikat1 | most definitely a bug | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | well... | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | this comes back to the age-old issue of letting the user shoot themselves in the foot. | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | if they don't specify a location, and the times clash, the schedule is going to be bad. | 19:54 |
| @bopbop | I entered extra locations | 19:54 |
| daviddelikat1 | that is what I thouhg, but the code needs to do something special with the blank location so that it doesn't show up everywhere... | 19:54 |
| @bopbop | it looks better, butt | 19:54 |
| @bopbop | but | 19:54 |
| @bopbop | :) | 19:54 |
| @bopbop | the dates are still wrong | 19:54 |
| @bopbop | so, me thinks the date thing is a bug separate from the initial one | 19:54 |
| daviddelikat1 | yes | 19:54 |
| @bopbop | sorry, I just submitted an untitled ticket | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | np, you can edit it after the fact in admin mode | 19:58 |
| daviddelikat1 | I'm working on that too | 19:58 |
| @bopbop | k- I'll do that | 19:58 |
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| elnino_ | hi! what do you guys call the acordion menu that is shown on the left when in admin mode? | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Admin Bar | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | re autocommit, in the settings you can also turn off comments | 20:00 |
| elnino_ | i know, i just figured it would be ignored when auto committing. | 20:01 |
| elnino_ | sorry so slow in typing, I'm one handed right now. =( | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | what happened?! | 20:02 |
| elnino_ | baby. =) | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, I thought you'd had a mountain climbing accident or something | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | errant use of can opener | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | wild dog attack | 20:02 |
| elnino_ | so, did you know that the admin bar was missing while in asset manager? way bak in 7.6.27? | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, I remember that bug | 20:03 |
| elnino_ | lol. no baby is adventurous enough right now for me. =) | 20:03 |
| elnino_ | ok. I didn't want to duplicate a bug report. thanks. | 20:04 |
| mducharme-work | wha | 20:04 |
| mducharme-work | there's no way to attach files to a news article with this? | 20:04 |
| mducharme-work | with the story manager | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | no, just images so far. | 20:04 |
| elnino_ | s/no/no, | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be a great RFE, though | 20:05 |
| +perlDreamer | and since 7.8 is open for development.... | 20:05 |
| mducharme-work | hrm | 20:06 |
| mducharme-work | I can't even seem to attach an image | 20:06 |
| mducharme-work | it asks me for the URL, I paste it in, it doesn't appear | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | URL? That is a URL for the rendered photo to link to | 20:07 |
| +perlDreamer | use the file upload field to add an image to the Story | 20:07 |
| mducharme-work | ahh! | 20:08 |
| mducharme-work | so I'm supposed to see a file upload field of some kind | 20:08 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 20:08 |
| mducharme-work | I don't | 20:08 |
| mducharme-work | lol | 20:08 |
| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12321 /translations/German/German/ (3 files): Update from translation server | 20:09 |
| mducharme-work | in neither IE nor firefox | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | mducharme-work, since I can't see the VM you're using, how about setting up a beta demo site to play with? | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | http://beta.webgui.org | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | setup the Story Archive there, and then give me the URL so i can see what you're seeing | 20:10 |
| mducharme-work | ahh | 20:11 |
| mducharme-work | the webgui demo site has browse and remove buttons for the photo | 20:12 |
| mducharme-work | those are missing on mine | 20:12 |
| mducharme-work | I cannot replicate the issue with the webgui beta demo site becuase it has those buttons | 20:12 |
| mducharme-work | do you want a sign in for my site so you can see? | 20:13 |
| +perlDreamer | sure! | 20:13 |
| +perlDreamer | you can do that? | 20:13 |
| mducharme-work | yes | 20:14 |
| mducharme-work | I msged you the info | 20:17 |
| mducharme-work | you should be able to see the problem from there, I have the issue with firefox or IE, doesn't matter which | 20:17 |
| mducharme-work | bizarre, isn't it? | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I see it | 20:20 |
| +perlDreamer | which version of 7.7 did you install? | 20:20 |
| @bopbop | can anyone tell me if there's anything special you have to do before you can use a Paypal payment method in Shop? Is there a merchant account or anything that you have to get from them? | 20:20 |
| mducharme-work | whatever the current stable is | 20:20 |
| mducharme-work | the buttons are missing on my other server too | 20:22 |
| mducharme-work | all the websites I'm running are missing the buttons | 20:22 |
| mducharme-work | browse and remove... | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I have a handle on it, and I'm tracking it down | 20:22 |
| * SynQ hugs preaction | 20:33 | |
| @preaction | er... hi | 20:35 |
| SynQ | http://www.webgui.org/develop/forum/let-testing-reign | 20:35 |
| SynQ | for that post only I'll buy you a beer | 20:35 |
| @preaction | yeah, i guessed ;) | 20:35 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, but will you write tests? ;) | 20:40 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: in fact, I would like you to help me to write some WRE related tests during the hackaton | 20:40 |
| SynQ | if you please | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm already 3-booked, but I'll do what I can :) | 20:41 |
| SynQ | how many tentacles have you got? | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | 2 | 20:41 |
| SynQ | that's odd | 20:41 |
| SynQ | I thought you where mr. gooey himself | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I compensate for my disability by typing fast | 20:42 |
| SynQ | ah | 20:42 |
| SynQ | I compensate by speaking fast ;) | 20:43 |
| SynQ | but now its dinnertime | 20:43 |
| ckotil | I was getting wierd Linux::Smaps errors in modperl.error, will adding $Apache2::SizeLimit::USE_SMAPS = 0; | 21:00 |
| ckotil | cause me any headaches? | 21:00 |
| @Haarg | it shouldn't | 21:01 |
| mducharme-work | perldreamer is it something wrong in the code, or something with the database | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | it's in the database, a template to be exact | 21:02 |
| ckotil | k. also im seeing a lot of httpd process too big, exiting messages. is it safe to raise the max_process size value in modperl.pl ? | 21:02 |
| ckotil | or should i just ignore those messages all together? | 21:02 |
| @preaction | provided the SECONDS is over 1000, that's fine | 21:04 |
| @preaction | if it's under 1000, you might want to raise it | 21:04 |
| ckotil | seconds is set to 5 | 21:05 |
| ckotil | check every 5 seconds. these are stock values in the 0.93 wre | 21:05 |
| @preaction | no, in the message | 21:05 |
| @preaction | in the config, it's REQUESTS, and that's set to 5 | 21:05 |
| ckotil | ah, yes, it is. | 21:05 |
| ckotil | exiting at SIZE=80896/100000 KB SHARE=2512/0 KB UNSHARED=78384/75000 KB REQUESTS=6 LIFETIME=0 seconds | 21:06 |
| ckotil | ive got a navigation asset doing a lot of work ;) | 21:06 |
| @preaction | yeah, you want to raise the unshared size | 21:07 |
| @Haarg | you will want to raise the unshared limit | 21:08 |
| ckotil | k. ill give it a shot. thanks guys/ | 21:08 |
| @Haarg | the problem is that since Smaps isn't available, it can't detect the shared portion properly | 21:08 |
| ckotil | yah, the issue with smamps is a bug in rhel. | 21:08 |
| ckotil | webgui couldnt open the /proc/####/smaps file. because of read permissions | 21:09 |
| ckotil | smaps was owned by root, and httpd runs as user webgui. | 21:10 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 21:10 |
| ckotil | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=322881 | 21:17 |
| ckotil | not much movement on this in a good while | 21:18 |
| ckotil | not seeing the httpd child process killed messages anymore. | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | at this rate, Red Hat is going to make a pretty convincing argument to start using Ubuntu | 21:32 |
| mducharme-work | or opensuse | 21:33 |
| +perlDreamer | well, not for me | 21:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I used Suse for a while, and I don't like the way they do config files | 21:33 |
| mducharme-work | I use suse for just about everything except webgui | 21:33 |
| ckotil | we're all rhel | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | RH's perl has major speed issues running PerlCritic code | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I have a perl script that runs in 40 minutes | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | it only take somebody on MacOS a few minutes to run it | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | and the problem is known, and posted on RHEL's boards | 21:37 |
| ckotil | the bless overload bug? | 21:38 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, that one | 21:38 |
| ckotil | or something new | 21:38 |
| mducharme-work | the config structure in apache in suse is quite complicated | 21:38 |
| ckotil | i believe it's fixed now | 21:38 |
| mducharme-work | it makes sense once you get used to it | 21:38 |
| mducharme-work | but at first it's very complicated | 21:38 |
| mducharme-work | heh | 21:38 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil, then maybe the issue is only in Fedora Core | 21:39 |
| ckotil | the fix came out only a few months ago for the latest red hat | 21:39 |
| +perlmonkey2 | well crap, the svn repo is now defunct? | 22:02 |
| @Haarg | yes | 22:02 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Any useful guides for converting the svn local to git? | 22:03 |
| +perlmonkey2 | or just regrab it? | 22:03 |
| @preaction | just regrab it, you can't convert | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | regrab, it's pretty fast | 22:03 |
| +perlmonkey2 | aye aye | 22:04 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | does the git repo contain a 7.6 branch? | 22:17 |
| +perlmonkey2 | would be really nice to just be able to git checkout 7.6 | 22:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | it has 7.5, 7.6, 7.7, flux and several other branches | 22:21 |
| @Haarg | it does contain a 7.6 branch, but there won't be any new releases from that branch | 22:25 |
| @preaction | flux should probably be a fork | 22:28 |
| @Haarg | the main reason flux and crypt are there is so i could get the svn part in line with the git part. patspam is free to do with them as he likes now. | 22:32 |
| @Haarg | preaction (or anyone else), if you have any git-svn branches and would like to move them over to the real git repo let me know | 22:33 |
| @preaction | i'll make a fork for mine, better that way | 22:34 |
| @preaction | the webgui project should have only mainline stuff | 22:34 |
| @Haarg | where you push them to doesn't really matter, i just mean if they have more changes than you want to deal with in patch form, moving the commits to the new repo | 22:35 |
| @preaction | ah, no, i should be able to handle it (but if i can't, i'll let you know) | 22:36 |
| @preaction | though perhaps my collaboration-fixes branch should get moved | 22:36 |
| @preaction | isn't the git-svn a normal git repo? couldn't i push the branches to matching branches in my own fork? | 22:37 |
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| @Haarg | it is a git repo, but it doesn't have the same history | 22:37 |
| @preaction | ahh | 22:37 |
| @Haarg | you wouldn't want to just merge them together for instance. you'd want to use some variation of rebase. | 22:38 |
| @preaction | right, i keep forgetting about rebase | 22:38 |
| @Haarg | probably with the --onto option | 22:39 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I think your gist took down github. | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | huh? | 23:13 |
| mducharme-work | tracked down the cause yet, perlDreamer? | 23:13 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I saw the rss of your gist, went to github, saw it was down. | 23:13 |
| +perlDreamer | mducharme-work: it's something with the merged upgrade package | 23:13 |
| +perlDreamer | still tracking it down, to make sure it wasn't a widespread problem | 23:13 |
| mducharme-work | ok | 23:15 |
| mducharme-work | oh well, I guess that's what I get for being bleeding edge :) | 23:16 |
| mducharme-work | hehe | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | if you want to play with it now, track down the Edit Story template inside the Story Archive settings | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | edit that template | 23:16 |
| mducharme-work | nah I can wait | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | change imgUploadForm to newUploadForm | 23:16 |
| mducharme-work | I set up a story topic to pull stories from the archive but it doesn't seem to pull anything | 23:16 |
| mducharme-work | obviously I did something wrong there | 23:17 |
| +perlDreamer | need to assign keywords to the story, and the story topic that match | 23:17 |
| @preaction | perhaps if the story topic has no stories, it could show a message that says how to add stories to the topic? | 23:17 |
| +perlDreamer | that's not a bad idea, but I think the message should only be shown if you're in admin mode | 23:18 |
| +perlDreamer | it's possible for a topic to go empty | 23:18 |
| +perlDreamer | and be valid | 23:18 |
| @preaction | i was thinking if ( $self->canEdit ) { // show message } else { // no message } | 23:18 |
| @preaction | or if $self->canPost or whatever | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | can't post to a topic | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | but I think we agree that some kind of permission needs to gate that message | 23:19 |
| @preaction | you know, i'm starting to miss the online help distributed with webgui | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I think we need to mandate that all new features get 1 wiki page | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | not a lot of docs, but at least something to help people out | 23:20 |
| mducharme-work | the default templates for storymanager are not nearly as nice as the ones shown in that screenshot that was posted online before | 23:21 |
| @preaction | i have a better idea, we can talk about at the WUC. upgrade the translation server to add a Help section, export that as HTML and include it in WebGUI (we removed it only to get rid of the memory it used, which was substantial) | 23:21 |
| @preaction | but why does Help need to use memory at all? why not make it HTML pages? | 23:21 |
| mducharme-work | hrm I suppose it's not possible to change the time of a news article | 23:21 |
| mducharme-work | on btw perlDreamer when I did the upgrade and it was changing templates, I did get a template not found error | 23:22 |
| mducharme-work | it said skipping | 23:22 |
| mducharme-work | I figured it was nothing at the time | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | that's can be valid. It's in the gotchas | 23:22 |
| mducharme-work | Unable to instanciate templateId: PBtmpl0000000000000048. Skipping...DONE! | 23:22 |
| mducharme-work | in case that helps... | 23:23 |
| mducharme-work | I don't suppose it's possible to change the date for a story without manually editing the backend db | 23:29 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 23:29 |
| +perlDreamer | it works on when the story was created, or last edited | 23:30 |
| mducharme-work | eh.. I don't like that | 23:30 |
| mducharme-work | I know collaboration system did the same thing but | 23:30 |
| mducharme-work | it was understandable with something like forums, to not have control over that | 23:32 |
| mducharme-work | perldreamer it looks like the problem is also causing issues with the story display | 23:37 |
| mducharme-work | I'm seeing: Last Updated ago | 23:37 |
| mducharme-work | By <blank> | 23:37 |
| mducharme-work | more wrong variable names in the template, I guess | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, that's likely | 23:37 |
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| @tavisto | perlDreamer is the man. | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | tall marketing person is _happy_ | 00:01 |
| @tavisto | hah I'm almost always happy | 00:02 |
| @tavisto | even when things run amok | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | even if there are Shop bugs? | 00:02 |
| @tavisto | well yeah, then I'm just motivated to get them fixed :) | 00:02 |
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| mducharme-work | aurgh, I hate switching between windows and linux, I keep typing dir in linux and ls in windows | 00:04 |
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| @Haarg | i used to have aliases and stuff set up on windows for ls/mv/rm/cp etc | 00:06 |
| @Haarg | luckily i haven't had to do a lot of windows command line work in a while | 00:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | what's the git equivalent of svn revert -R . | 00:42 |
| @Haarg | git reset --hard HEAD | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks | 00:55 |
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| @preaction | Haarg, perlDreamer: Should we put changelog entries for 7.7.20 under 7.7.20 in both branches? | 01:36 |
| @Haarg | no | 01:37 |
| @Haarg | master should have a 7.8.0 heading already | 01:37 |
| @preaction | it does, yes | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | it does | 01:37 |
| @Haarg | or is that not what you were asking | 01:37 |
| @preaction | i guess i don't know why/how we merge the changelogs | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | how is easy | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | it's fixed in two different versions at the same time | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | once in 7.8.0, and once in 7.7.20 | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | when you close the bug in the board, you note which versions the bug is fixed in | 01:39 |
| @preaction | eh, i'll just not rock the boat on this one | 01:39 |
| @Haarg | i really want to change how we do changelogs but it would probably mean more work when doing a release | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | lately, after talks with steveo_aa, I've been adding bug numbers to commits and svn revs to the helpdesk | 01:40 |
| @preaction | that's a good idea, perlDreamer | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | the credit goes to steveo_aa. It would have saved him a lot of log grepping if it was documented more clearly | 01:41 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * re502e77 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix #10873: Code editor breaks CSS comments - http://bit.ly/3ABRX1 | 01:44 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * rf9829e8 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix #10873: Code editor breaks CSS comments - http://bit.ly/10dHVX | 01:44 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10549 <- is this can be closed then? | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, after the new module is added to testEnv, and the right EMS import routine, with tests | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, and then we have to tell JT and SynQ so that add it to the WRE | 01:54 |
| @preaction | we should open those as bugs against the WRE ("Missing new module: Whatever") | 01:56 |
| @preaction | we should avoid just telling a person something as often as possible, keep things trackable | 01:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: but if they use testEnv to validate the WRE, we shouldn't need a separate bug to track that? | 02:33 |
| @preaction | true, i guess we don't need it | 02:41 |
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| SDuensin | The upgrade is scaring me. It's going nuts! :-) | 02:47 |
| +perlDreamer | well, nuts is better than bananas | 02:47 |
| SDuensin | Yea. So far, no bananas. | 02:48 |
| * SDuensin ain't fallin' for no bananas in the tailpipe. | 02:48 | |
| +perlDreamer | which part is it going nuts over? | 02:48 |
| SDuensin | Purging things, making fields bigger for more evil JSON in the database, etc. | 02:48 |
| +perlDreamer | hm. the part about purging old version tags does take a while | 02:49 |
| SDuensin | Pre-packing takes the longest. Whatever that is. | 02:49 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, that's a performance improvement | 02:49 |
| +perlDreamer | it removes whitespace and comments from templates so that less data is sent | 02:50 |
| SDuensin | Cool. | 02:50 |
| +perlDreamer | it's good stuff, but converting all the templates takes a bit | 02:50 |
| +perlDreamer | it only happens during the upgrade though | 02:50 |
| SDuensin | I assume when it's purging old templates that it looks to see they're not being used first? | 02:50 |
| +perlDreamer | it updates things that use it to use the new templates | 02:51 |
| SDuensin | Cool. Even better. | 02:51 |
| SDuensin | Wish I could attend the WUC. Sounds like good things are going to be happening. | 02:53 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, it's been quite fun in the past | 02:53 |
| SDuensin | So does 7.8 follow now, or 8.0? | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.8 | 02:54 |
| SDuensin | Was just wondering. I keep getting Email with Rizen telling everyone that 8 has some spiffy things planned. I want it now, okay? :-) | 02:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll let him know you said that, when I see him. | 02:55 |
| SDuensin | Yea, I know the answer. :-D | 02:55 |
| +perlDreamer | You can make contributions to my future hospital bill at... donations@perldreamer.com | 02:55 |
| SDuensin | My RFC made it past his "ban-hammer". :-) | 02:56 |
| SDuensin | OK, first site I test is broken. Whee! | 02:59 |
| +perlDreamer | but of course | 02:59 |
| +perlDreamer | you didn't say "JSON in the db" | 02:59 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: we get danger pay for doing stable releases, right? | 03:03 |
| SDuensin | Something is very angry here. I see a mention of Cache/Memcached.pm in the error log. Is that new? | 03:04 |
| @Haarg | that is a very old module | 03:06 |
| @Haarg | WebGUI::Cache::Memcached that is | 03:06 |
| @Haarg | i'd recommend deleting it | 03:06 |
| SDuensin | And how would you recommend doing that? | 03:07 |
| SDuensin | Syndicated content is timing out, too. | 03:08 |
| @Haarg | rm /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Cache/Memcached.pm | 03:08 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rde28455 / (19 files in 3 dirs): Fix issues with upgrading templates from 7.6.35 to 7.7.19. Fixes #10878. - http://bit.ly/PLXwW | 03:08 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb6cc484 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'webgui-7.7' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui into webgui-7.7 - http://bit.ly/1E8nwj | 03:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought I fixed that... | 03:09 |
| @Haarg | the merge thing? | 03:09 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 03:10 |
| SDuensin | Uh, where'd all my RSS feeds go? | 03:11 |
| +perlDreamer | RSS is for ninnies. We got rid of that. | 03:13 |
| SDuensin | Yea, I see that. :-P | 03:13 |
| SDuensin | That breaks a LOT of my sites. | 03:13 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, did you read the gotchas? | 03:13 |
| SDuensin | I thought I did. I'm reading it again. | 03:14 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer: git config branch.webgui-7.7.rebase true | 03:14 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, Haarg | 03:15 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin has found a documentation hole. | 03:15 |
| +perlDreamer | It is documented that we changed our RSS modules | 03:15 |
| +perlDreamer | but not what the side effects are | 03:15 |
| SDuensin | Is it? What release was it? | 03:15 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.7.2 | 03:15 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, please file a bug about that. | 03:16 |
| SDuensin | Ok, yea, I see that. | 03:16 |
| SDuensin | Not even sure what the bug is just yet. How do I put my feeds back? | 03:16 |
| +perlDreamer | And I apologize for asking if you'd read the gotchas. In this case, the info you need isn't in there. | 03:16 |
| SDuensin | NP. Most people don't read. I run into that all the time. :-) | 03:17 |
| +perlDreamer | You don't. You'll need to update the feed URLs to the new style. | 03:17 |
| +perlDreamer | it used to provide asset.rss as a URL | 03:17 |
| SDuensin | From the source, it looks like a ?option on the URL somewhere. | 03:17 |
| +perlDreamer | now it provides asset?func=viewRSS | 03:17 |
| SDuensin | Yea. Fixing. | 03:18 |
| +perlDreamer | asset?func=viewRss | 03:18 |
| * perlDreamer goes to make dinner | 03:18 | |
| SDuensin | After the update, Apache immediately reports: "server reached MaxClients setting, consider raising the MaxClients setting" after starting it. | 03:44 |
| SDuensin | My web sites are horrendously slow to respond, too. | 03:44 |
| SDuensin | Seems my "depreciated layouts" all became "Default Page". Grrr. | 03:51 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin: do you think this is clear enough for a notice about the change in RSS URLs? | 04:25 |
| +perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/180069 | 04:25 |
| +perlDreamer | anyone else who'd like to review that is welcome, as well | 04:25 |
| SDuensin | Yea, that's much clearer. | 04:26 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r206f0bc / docs/gotcha.txt : Update gotcha about changes to RSS. - http://bit.ly/15gSPN | 04:29 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfe25304 / (4 files in 4 dirs): | 04:37 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Reorganize AdSpace properties for prices and permissions. | 04:37 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Remove click and impression prices. Remove groupToPurchase. | 04:37 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Expose minimum clicks and impressions to the UI. - http://bit.ly/Cw44r | 04:37 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3d93120 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/2mcbIM | 04:37 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7ebd486 / docs/gotcha.txt : Update gotcha about changes to RSS. - http://bit.ly/XaR0H | 04:37 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r13dd3f3 / (lib/WebGUI/AdSpace.pm t/AdSpace.t): | 04:37 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Finish updating AdSpace for reorganization. | 04:37 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Remove groupToPurchase, update tests to follow suit. - http://bit.ly/uGVFl | 04:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, we should review the gotcha.txt file for any other omissions. | 04:40 |
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| SDuensin | Yea, like NUKING LAYOUTS. :-P | 04:52 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, I'll check, because it's been a while, but doesn't the gotcha list all templates that are being deprecated, and what they are being updated with? | 04:54 |
| SDuensin | Why were used layouts removed anyway? Just curious. | 04:54 |
| @preaction | because they were tables or other bad HTML practices | 04:55 |
| SDuensin | And trashing the appearance of tons of sites was *better*? | 04:55 |
| @preaction | yep | 04:55 |
| SDuensin | Can I have your home phone so I can pass it along to my users? :-P | 04:56 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8316643 / lib/WebGUI/Group.pm : Remove group cleanup check for AdSpace group. - http://bit.ly/16y41v | 04:57 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfea30d0 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/User.pm t/User.t): Fix getProfileUrl, so it works with preventProxyCache. fixes #10877 - http://bit.ly/12HCtk | 04:57 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r6d836c9 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/User.pm t/User.t): | 04:58 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Fix getProfileUrl, so it works with preventProxyCache. fixes #10877 | 04:58 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Conflicts: | 04:58 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt - http://bit.ly/u7fLj | 04:58 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: now that I've fixed a few more bugs and busted all of SDuensin's sites, I'm going to call it a night. | 04:59 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 04:59 |
| @preaction | sounds like an evening | 04:59 |
| * perlDreamer needs to write some slides, and then celebrate his wedding anniversary | 05:00 | |
| @preaction | ooh, party time | 05:00 |
| +perlDreamer | 14 years today | 05:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I can't believe she's put up with me this long | 05:00 |
| @preaction | she's a saint | 05:01 |
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| @Haarg | yay snow leopard | 06:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, folks | 17:42 |
| +perlmonkey2 | good morning | 17:51 |
| daviddelikat1 | I am not fond of packages -- as a project development tool | 17:52 |
| daviddelikat1 | that is WG packages | 17:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | WG packages do one thing very well, and that is they allow you to port content between sites | 17:56 |
| +perlDreamer | after that, they leave a lot to be desired | 17:56 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto: no new Shop bugs today? | 17:57 |
| @tavisto | actually there are now 4 | 17:57 |
| +perlDreamer | 4? | 17:57 |
| @tavisto | whatever you did broke lots of other stuff | 17:57 |
| @tavisto | just kidding! | 17:57 |
| @tavisto | ;) | 17:57 |
| +perlDreamer | phew | 17:57 |
| @tavisto | <---- evil evil man sometimes | 17:58 |
| * perlDreamer starts making plans for the tavisto virus | 18:00 | |
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| @tavisto | son of ah | 18:01 |
| +perlDreamer | for now, we'll just start with a little username and profile analysis in WebGUI | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | man, has the whole WebGUI world stopped to install Snow Leopard? | 18:30 |
| @tavisto | PB staff shouldnt be doing that | 18:30 |
| @tavisto | JT said that there are several issues with Snow Leopard when it comes to Open Office, and Adobe products | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | testing question | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | over the years I've accumulated scripts for building assets with children, stuffing inboxes and other tasks. | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | it's handy to have them around so that you can quickly have a wiki with lots of pages for testing, for example | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | is it worth putting them into git? | 18:42 |
| @Haarg | in their own repo you mean? | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, someplace where other people could get to them | 18:44 |
| @Haarg | sounds like a good idea to me | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I _almost_ did this with Selenium | 18:44 |
| @Haarg | sounds like things i might want to steal to stuff into wgdev | 18:45 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r04c422c / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 18:46 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: WikiMaster keyword pagination fixes, re # 10856. | 18:46 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Add pagination template variables to the default byKeyword template. | 18:46 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Fix pagination URL for keywords. - http://bit.ly/ATXJD | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | here's one I just made for a stuffed wiki: http://gist.github.com/180364 | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, after resolving a commit, I get an automatic Commit coda add to the commit comments | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | do I just have to manually delete that every time? | 18:49 |
| @Haarg | the conflicts section you mean? | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 18:51 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4ea146f / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 18:52 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: WikiMaster keyword pagination fixes, re # 10856. | 18:52 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Add pagination template variables to the default byKeyword template. | 18:52 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Fix pagination URL for keywords. | 18:52 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Conflicts: | 18:52 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt - http://bit.ly/1GnJel | 18:52 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9c2fb21 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move package to correct directory for 7.8. - http://bit.ly/PEQYu | 18:52 |
| @Haarg | i want to think i saw a hook for that but i'm not certain | 18:53 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 18:55 |
| @Haarg | mv .git/hooks/prepare-commit-msg.sample .git/hooks/prepare-commit-msg | 18:56 |
| @Haarg | chmod +x .git/hooks/prepare-commit-msg | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | teach me how to fish, where did you find that? | 18:56 |
| @Haarg | grep -i conflict .git/hooks/* | 18:57 |
| @Haarg | i looked through the sample hooks a long time ago so i just remembered it was in there | 18:57 |
| @Haarg | you can do whatever you want with that hook of course | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | the funny thing is, I deleted the Conflict message this time | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll watch more closely next time | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | also, we have to be careful with merging commits with packages | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | because when I cherry-picked that last commit, it put it into packages-7.7.20 in the 7.8 branch | 18:58 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 18:59 |
| @Haarg | has to be manually handled, but that's pretty much the same as with svn | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | svn had its own pain, in that it wouldn't copy it over | 19:00 |
| mducharme-work | it'll probably be another week before 7.7.20 I would imagine? | 19:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | probably two | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | but I'll speak to the powers that be about that | 19:04 |
| mducharme-work | you'll probably find more than enough fixes in the first week to justify a release... | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | the only issue is that it's during the WUC, which makes time a premium | 19:05 |
| mducharme-work | I'd rather some things fixed and some things still broken than wait two weeks for everything to be fixed | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | me, too :) | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | how can people use my beautiful StoryManager without good templates? | 19:06 |
| @Haarg | for template problems at least you would be able to import the new packages into a 7.7.19 site without running the upgrade | 19:08 |
| @Haarg | and it wouldn't cause any later problems | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, importing them twice won't hurt | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | but, this experience has taught me something really important | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | all along, we've said that webgui.org and PB.com can be used as benchmarks for upgrades | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | and that's not strictly true | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | those sites never take the shunt upgrades | 19:09 |
| daviddelikat1 | Haarg: I'm trying to restore some stuff from git stash but it tells me: 'Cannot restore on top of a dirty state' | 19:09 |
| daviddelikat1 | git diff says there is no diff | 19:09 |
| @Haarg | you have modified files | 19:09 |
| @Haarg | what about git status? | 19:09 |
| daviddelikat1 | do you know how to figure out what is causing it? | 19:09 |
| @Haarg | or git diff --cached | 19:10 |
| daviddelikat1 | git status shows some untracked files | 19:10 |
| daviddelikat1 | git diff cached shows no difference | 19:10 |
| @Haarg | does the stash entry have anything related to those untracked files? | 19:11 |
| daviddelikat1 | the untracked files were there when I created the stash | 19:11 |
| @Haarg | you can use git stash show or git stash show -p to see what is in the stash | 19:12 |
| @Haarg | not sure about the dirty state thing if you have no changes | 19:12 |
| @Haarg | you could try git reset --hard HEAD | 19:12 |
| @Haarg | which will reset everything to the state of the last commit | 19:13 |
| @Haarg | so if git is confused about something that should clear it up i would think | 19:13 |
| daviddelikat1 | one of the files was a swap file from vi once I closed the vi session the git stash pop worked... | 19:14 |
| daviddelikat1 | would it help if swap files were in the ignore list? | 19:15 |
| @Haarg | yes | 19:16 |
| @Haarg | you might want to look at my post on the dev list for some recommended config stuff | 19:16 |
| daviddelikat1 | ok | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | merging and cross-porting commits is easier in git | 19:18 |
| +perlDreamer | and it seems faster than svn, at least on my laptop | 19:19 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7d74429 / (19 files in 3 dirs): Fix issues with upgrading templates from 7.6.35 to 7.7.19. Fixes #10878. - http://bit.ly/u3oBu | 19:19 |
| @Haarg | 000001000001000045000014.json ? | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | oh yeah | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | 000001000001000045000014.json is critical to the recovery process for those templates | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | this would mean a little more work during release, but what would happen if we named the packages directory for this release "current", and then it gets renamed to be version specific after release? | 19:25 |
| @Haarg | after? | 19:25 |
| @Haarg | so it would be named current in the tarball? | 19:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe some of the fine details need to be worked out | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | how about just before the release? | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | but you see the goal? | 19:26 |
| @Haarg | i see it but i'm not sure it will work out | 19:26 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3632c87 / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.0/000001000001000045000014.json : Remove extra JSON file. - http://bit.ly/IDCVf | 19:26 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r744c24f / docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.20/000001000001000045000014.json : Remove extra JSON file from packages dir. - http://bit.ly/pg6zm | 19:26 |
| JDan | Little question about packages. I exported package to file. Next I imported it to other site. I see new wobjects at Asset Tree. But when I try to view new page system show message "The page you have requested does not exist. What would you like to do?" | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | JDan: do you have uncommitted version tags? | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | also, check the log for any helpful error messages | 19:29 |
| daviddelikat1 | the new package should also show up in the admin bar under new content--packages | 19:29 |
| daviddelikat1 | after you import the package you still have to create a copy of it on a page somewhere | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought it deployed right away? | 19:30 |
| JDan | My site has set "Commit Without Approval" | 19:31 |
| daviddelikat1 | mine never do | 19:31 |
| JDan | There are no any errors at logs | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | JDan, if there was an error during import, the autocommit may not have been triggered | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | and WebGUI can error silently | 19:32 |
| JDan | But why assats are at assat tree. I see subpages in /root/home subtree | 19:33 |
| mducharme-work | perldreamer yeah I find the storymanager basically unusable at the moment with the issues...... | 19:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll see about appending the packages that fix the problem to the bug later today, so then can be downloaded | 19:34 |
| JDan | ok. I have another problem with communications error which I don't know how to solve. I scande all forums and articles. Nothnig special for my case. I'll sent new post to forum and describe ... | 19:37 |
| JDan | thanks | 19:37 |
| +perlDreamer | JDan: which version of WebGUI are you using? | 19:43 |
| JDan | today I upgrated to 7.7.19 | 19:43 |
| JDan | I had hope meny problems go away | 19:43 |
| JDan | WRE compiled on Debian Leny from source 0.9.3 | 19:44 |
| JDan | practicaly dedicated for WebGUI server | 19:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: account CSS seems to be split between 2 files | 19:47 |
| @Haarg | is it actually split? | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I believe that the templates pull CSS elements from both | 19:48 |
| @Haarg | when i looked at it last it was mostly a duplicate | 19:48 |
| @Haarg | and then it has a yui css file copied into it as well | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the one in extras, or the snippet? | 19:50 |
| +cap10morgan | for ldap groups, can you use an OU as a group? | 20:00 |
| +cap10morgan | i.e. it doesn't have member attributes, it contains the actual user records | 20:00 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, the one is extras. i may have been wrong about the copy thing actually | 20:43 |
| @Haarg | *in | 20:43 |
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| @bopbop | in the display tab for assets, there is a printable style template- out of curiosity, what needs to be done to make the printable version of a page available- is there a macro or some kind of template variable? | 21:30 |
| @bopbop | is it ^r(); | 21:31 |
| @bopbop | nm, answered my own question | 21:32 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rcdb7fd2 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix pagination for keywords listing in Story Archive. Fixes bug #10890. - http://bit.ly/3aVwRr | 22:42 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re9068ef / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix pagination for keywords listing in Story Archive. Fixes bug #10890. - http://bit.ly/16B7Xi | 22:43 |
| +perlDreamer | if changelog entries are made at the bottom of the list, then the conflicts go away | 22:46 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbdfe44d / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix EMS registrant lookup template JS bug #10884. - http://bit.ly/Z2Ieo | 22:50 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r655d9bd / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix EMS registrant lookup template JS bug #10884. - http://bit.ly/LD0H2 | 22:50 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r4bec356 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move packge to correct upgrade directory. - http://bit.ly/13LaeK | 22:50 |
| ckotil | website is down | 22:59 |
| ckotil | pb anyway | 22:59 |
| ckotil | wg too | 22:59 |
| @Haarg | i'm working on it | 22:59 |
| ckotil | cool | 23:01 |
| @Haarg | should be fixed now | 23:02 |
| ckotil | looks good | 23:02 |
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| mducharme-work | hrm.. can the new storymanager group by month/year without having them as keywords? | 23:20 |
| +SynQ | what is the weather like in Madison? | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | mducharme-work: what do you mean by "group"? | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ: http://www.weather.com/weather/local/USWI0411?lswe=Madison,%20Wisconsin&from=searchbox_localwx | 23:26 |
| mducharme-work | perlDreamer: like this: http://www.novell.com/news/press/ | 23:26 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, it won't sort by press releases vs news briefs | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | and by default, it groups news by day | 23:27 |
| +SynQ | perlDreamer: is that T-shirt weather? | 23:27 |
| mducharme-work | I don't need it to sort by press releases vs news briefs | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ: and shorts, if you've have cute legs | 23:27 |
| mducharme-work | I just like the way month/year thing works on that page | 23:27 |
| +SynQ | perlDreamer: no chance, hairy ones | 23:28 |
| mducharme-work | for looking at older news articles | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | mducharme-work: for something without a lot of news, less granularity is nice | 23:28 |
| +SynQ | time for bed | 23:29 |
| +SynQ | what time is it in madison now | 23:29 |
| +perlDreamer | 3:40pm | 23:29 |
| +SynQ | ah | 23:29 |
| mducharme-work | true, but it would be nice if there could be configurable "group by" levels | 23:29 |
| +SynQ | it's 10:30pm here | 23:29 |
| mducharme-work | people would not need to group by month and/or year unless they chose to do so.. | 23:30 |
| +SynQ | perlDreamer: that must be 3:30pm right? | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | my laptop clock is off | 23:30 |
| +SynQ | ah | 23:30 |
| +SynQ | so when I get back and arrive at schiphol at 7:00am here | 23:31 |
| +SynQ | it's actually midnight from where I came from | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | mducharme-work, if you have a look at the template variables for the StoryArchive, you'll see there's a loop for each day | 23:31 |
| +SynQ | right | 23:31 |
| +SynQ | night :) | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | adding additional loops for months/years would be far simpler then making it configurable | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | code-wise anyway | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | then it's just up to the user to figure out which levels they want to nest | 23:32 |
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| +cap10morgan | to answer my own question, yes you can. i should post a wiki entry about it... | 23:44 |
| mducharme-work | perldreamer ahh ok, cool | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan, all new LDAP knowledge is greatly appreciated | 23:59 |
| +cap10morgan | cool, yeah, i need to write it down before i forget it too | 23:59 |
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| +cap10morgan | i tricked the recursive group property into doing the right thing for this | 00:00 |
| +cap10morgan | essentially treating all the user records as single-member groups | 00:00 |
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| elnino | Hi I'm visiting the shop once again. Is there a why to categorize the specifications in a product asset? | 00:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino, no | 00:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | Offhand, I'd say that if you want something like that, put it into the description since you can use any markup you want there. | 00:08 |
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| mducharme-work | cap10morgan that's neat | 00:20 |
| elnino | ok. | 00:20 |
| mducharme-work | I haven't fooled around yet with ldap groups, haven't had a need to | 00:20 |
| +cap10morgan | except it didn't actually work, hahaha | 00:20 |
| mducharme-work | oh | 00:20 |
| mducharme-work | you can probably do that in the ldap server itself by making a dynamic group, btw | 00:20 |
| daviddelikat1 | does anybody know a good way to debug events in a browser? | 00:21 |
| mducharme-work | that's a special type of group where the member list is generated dynamically based on the results of a query | 00:21 |
| @preaction | JS events? add a breakpoint to the handler you're using | 00:22 |
| daviddelikat1 | no browser events | 00:24 |
| daviddelikat1 | I click and the function that issupposed to be attached does not run | 00:24 |
| daviddelikat1 | I know this because I have a breakpoint attached to it | 00:24 |
| daviddelikat1 | problem is that there are two fields with the same id on my page | 00:25 |
| daviddelikat1 | so I get the parent element | 00:25 |
| daviddelikat1 | and then get the first(only) child which is the field that I am connecting to | 00:26 |
| daviddelikat1 | and add an onchange listener | 00:26 |
| @preaction | why are there two fields with the same ID? that's a bug right there. | 00:29 |
| @preaction | does it also have the same name? | 00:29 |
| daviddelikat1 | the id is the default generated by WG | 00:30 |
| daviddelikat1 | i think the nams are the same as well | 00:30 |
| daviddelikat1 | one is for the search ticket form | 00:30 |
| daviddelikat1 | the other is for the ticket it self | 00:30 |
| @preaction | so they're in different forms | 00:30 |
| daviddelikat1 | the ticket field is not in a form at all | 00:31 |
| @preaction | you can change the ID from inside WebGUI, give it an id => property | 00:31 |
| daviddelikat1 | I'm just grabbing the onchange event and sending off some ajax | 00:31 |
| daviddelikat1 | I'll see if that helps, thanks | 00:32 |
| +cap10morgan | ah, ok, if i put uid in both group property and recursive group property, then it works | 00:33 |
| +cap10morgan | but it seems kind of slow | 00:33 |
| mducharme-work | try doing it through a dynamic group in ldap, cap10morgan | 00:38 |
| +cap10morgan | i'd rather not | 00:39 |
| +cap10morgan | i want webgui to be able to do it directly | 00:39 |
| mducharme-work | there are basically no ldap things that can do that directly that I'm aware of | 00:40 |
| mducharme-work | so if webgui can do that, it can do something pretty much nothing else can | 00:40 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r541b8a4 / lib/WebGUI/Form/Codearea.pm : Remove debug code from Codearea - http://bit.ly/6Xzfi | 00:42 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r046bc36 / lib/WebGUI/Form/Image.pm : Update POD for getValue in Form/Image - http://bit.ly/8myBI | 00:42 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r882817c / lib/WebGUI/Form/Codearea.pm : Remove debug code from Codearea - http://bit.ly/1nNRA | 00:42 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2276b98 / lib/WebGUI/Form/Image.pm : Update POD for getValue in Form/Image - http://bit.ly/4fvtqd | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, Haarg: I don't think this is a bug: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/10883 | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | a guy runs WebGUI on a non-standard port behind a firewall that blocks that port | 00:51 |
| @preaction | i don't think it is either. there's a configuration setting that should be fixing the port | 00:51 |
| @preaction | webserverPort : 80 | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the problem, he has that set to a different port number | 00:52 |
| @preaction | that's the port for the front-facing web server | 00:52 |
| @preaction | you're not supposed to change that | 00:52 |
| @preaction | unless the front-facing web server is not port 80 | 00:53 |
| @preaction | webgui uses that to build URLs, nothing more | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I resolved it | 00:56 |
| @preaction | perhaps the docs are unclear? | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I suppose that people could confuse web server with the actual server that WebGUI is running on. | 00:58 |
| @preaction | perhaps include "This is used to create URLs, so use the public-facing webserver port"? | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/180561 ? | 01:01 |
| @preaction | looks good to me | 01:02 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r39b9bd3 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt etc/WebGUI.conf.original): Clarify the documentation for webServerPort in config file. Fixes bug #10883 - http://bit.ly/13zE5B | 01:07 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r80d629a / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt etc/WebGUI.conf.original): Clarify the documentation for webServerPort in config file. Fixes bug #10883 - http://bit.ly/c5clK | 01:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | I've noticed that when I look at a block of code, and I see $self->session->blah more than 3-4 times per line, that my eyes just glaze over | 01:49 |
| @preaction | we should make a P::C::Policy for that | 01:52 |
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| @preaction | and one for deprecated methods, we really need to start cleaning things up | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | have you looked at the InOutBoard code recently? | 01:53 |
| sbaur | hi everyone | 01:54 |
| sbaur | question for the group: how do y'all determine what gets into the gotcha.txt file? | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | howdy sbaur | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | anything that is supposed to trip up an admin is supposed to go into the file | 01:55 |
| +perlDreamer | so it tends to be subjective | 01:55 |
| @preaction | better question: sbaur, what did we miss? | 01:56 |
| sbaur | then i'll register a mild protest that changing the macro parser wasn't mentioned (between 7.5 and 7.6) specifically the part about having to quote inner macros when you are nesting them | 01:56 |
| sbaur | that's going to be a real PIA to fix across our sites | 01:56 |
| @preaction | i'd say submit a bug that it wasn't mentioned | 01:57 |
| sbaur | there was a bug -- 10057 | 01:57 |
| @preaction | Haarg: do you remember when that change was made? | 01:57 |
| @preaction | ok | 01:57 |
| @preaction | then, writing a script to change those things won't be too hard, if you want to use support hours to do it | 01:57 |
| sbaur | now that's an idea | 01:58 |
| @preaction | we can save your people 20 hours of work by using 2 hours of work, so to speak | 01:58 |
| @Haarg | how were you using quotes before sbaur? | 01:58 |
| sbaur | ^CanEditText(^AdminToggle("Edit On","Edit Off");); | 01:59 |
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| sbaur | now that just displays ^AdminToggle("Edit On" under 7.6 and higher | 02:00 |
| sbaur | which of course makes it doubly hard to fix as you have to add ?func=edit to actually edit it | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | ?switchOnAdmin might be more helpful | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | let me double check that fragment | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | yes: ?switchOnAdmin | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | that will throw you into Admin mode | 02:02 |
| @Haarg | ?op=switchOnAdmin | 02:02 |
| sbaur | yes, but for whatever reason ?func=edit is already memorized so easier then looking up one of the others :) | 02:03 |
| @Haarg | that was one edge case we didn't catch i guess. we tried to match the behavior of the old parser in most cases, but the old routine was rather ambiguous in some of those cases. | 02:07 |
| @Haarg | luckily it is much much better tested now so any changes in how it parses things are easy to detect | 02:08 |
| sbaur | that's good to know | 02:15 |
| sbaur | it's too bad the old parser adds the quotes (single quotes in this case) as literals if I try to quote it before upgrading the site. | 02:17 |
| sbaur | Thanks preaction, perlDreamer and Haarg for your help with this | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | we're sorry for the hangup, sbaur | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks for giving us a heads up so we can fix it | 02:22 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r5090c80 / t/Macro.t : add another quoting edge case to macro tests - http://bit.ly/ekDYk | 02:25 |
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| elnino | did i read somewhere that i can import products? | 02:50 |
| elnino | or was i going to write a scrript for that? | 02:51 |
| +perlDreamer | you can import products via a Shelf | 02:57 |
| +perlDreamer | you can export them as well | 02:57 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, preaction, any thoughts on this? http://gist.github.com/180618 | 02:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's crazy | 03:00 |
| +perlDreamer | perldoc checks for ownership? | 03:00 |
| +perlDreamer | man perldoc will help out understanding that | 03:01 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a taint/security issue | 03:03 |
| @Haarg | oh? | 03:04 |
| elnino | perlDreamer, from like an csv file? what version do i need? | 03:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: man perldoc, then /SECURITY | 03:04 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, I believe that works all the way back to 7.6 | 03:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | 7.5, actually | 03:05 |
| +perlDreamer | you can find some sample import files in t/supportingCollateral | 03:06 |
| @Haarg | http://gist.github.com/180619 guess i should try that locally | 03:06 |
| @Haarg | thanks though perlDreamer, i should be able to fix it | 03:07 |
| +perlDreamer | http://perldoc.perl.org/perldoc.html | 03:08 |
| @Haarg | yeah, it works fine locally. just thought that was funny. | 03:08 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2b3219c / sbin/userImport.pl : Fix POD typos in userImport.pl. Each POD directive is a paragraph. - http://bit.ly/L7ugL | 03:10 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r82fab29 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/InOutBoard.pm : | 03:10 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Massive refactoring and bug fixing in InOutBoard. | 03:10 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Used placeholders for many queries, i18n'ed the Search button in | 03:10 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: viewReport, fixed bugs related to users with no selected department | 03:10 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: in their profile, fixed a bad query still looking for old style | 03:10 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: user profile data. - http://bit.ly/TsLWA | 03:10 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf4d8725 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/InOutBoard.pm : | 03:10 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Massive refactoring and bug fixing in InOutBoard. | 03:10 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Used placeholders for many queries, i18n'ed the Search button in | 03:10 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: viewReport, fixed bugs related to users with no selected department | 03:10 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: in their profile, fixed a bad query still looking for old style | 03:10 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: user profile data. - http://bit.ly/phCZ8 | 03:10 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2d967fc / t/Macro.t : Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/kNNip | 03:10 |
| +perlDreamer | that merge message is still in there... | 03:11 |
| @Haarg | git config branch.master.rebase true | 03:11 |
| @Haarg | it's a per branch setting | 03:11 |
| elnino | perlDreamer, and "t" is locarted where? | 03:11 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino: /data/WebGUI/t :) | 03:11 |
| @Haarg | then there is the global setting as well, which enables the per branch setting when the branch is created | 03:11 |
| elnino | oh good grief. thx | 03:12 |
| @Haarg | but if you already had the branch, it won't inherit that setting | 03:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll just set them all manually for now | 03:12 |
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| CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r3d2b45e / (inc/WGDev/Builder.pm lib/WGDev/Help.pm): improve handling for when run as root - http://bit.ly/7fgHe | 04:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, okay to push some changes to the WGDev repo? | 04:22 |
| +perlDreamer | or do you want patches? | 04:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I added a note about package --upgrade to the Intro docs | 04:23 |
| +perlDreamer | and a --toHex switch, to convert base64 GUIDS to hex format on the command line | 04:23 |
| @Haarg | go ahead and push | 04:23 |
| @Haarg | if you ever have changes you aren't certain about, fork it on github and push to your own repo | 04:24 |
| @Haarg | then you can just tell me on here or send a pull request through the web interface and i'll take a look at it | 04:24 |
| @Haarg | that's what patspam has been doing and it works a lot better than sending patches | 04:25 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 04:25 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: Colin Kuskie master * rf4c0823 / lib/WGDev/Command/Intro.pm : Add intro docs for package --upgrade. - http://bit.ly/f2AGT | 04:26 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: Colin Kuskie master * raa4be8c / lib/WGDev/Command/Guid.pm : Add the toHex switch, which converts base64 GUIDs to hex. - http://bit.ly/ZbX4M | 04:26 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: Colin Kuskie master * r72f703b / (43 files in 14 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:haarg/wgdev - http://bit.ly/hBAQh | 04:26 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r7a910a0 / (3 files in 3 dirs): allow specifying sitename in shortened form - http://bit.ly/123htd | 04:37 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * rc9ecdc9 / Changes : updating Changes - http://bit.ly/OXRHn | 04:37 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r55b3552 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Document that the IOB bug was fixed in the changelog. - http://bit.ly/M4vl0 | 04:49 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8d30bc2 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Document that the IOB bug was fixed in the changelog. - http://bit.ly/XsLUc | 04:49 |
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| CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * rd9b383b / inc/WGDev/Builder.pm : make sure different versions use different temp directories - http://bit.ly/q18zi | 05:54 |
| elnino | hi. | 06:07 |
| elnino | Should I be updating perl mods via cpan, or does wre do all that for me? | 06:07 |
| mducharme | you should be updating perl mods... | 06:08 |
| mducharme | but use the wre cpan | 06:08 |
| mducharme | there is a cpan.sh that launches it, in /data/wre/sbin | 06:08 |
| mducharme | elnino when you upgrade webgui you need to read the gotchas file and see what new modules are needed in the upgrade path from the version you are on to the version you are going to, and install those via the wre cpan.sh BEFORE doing the upgrade | 06:09 |
| mducharme | if the required modules are not installed in advance the upgrade may fail partway through... | 06:09 |
| elnino | ok. Thanks mducharme. I don't think I've used wre's cpan. | 06:09 |
| elnino | right | 06:09 |
| mducharme | well wre has it's own perl, so it has its own cpan | 06:09 |
| mducharme | installing the modules into the system perl won't help | 06:10 |
| mducharme | also woudln't be a bad idea to do a ". setEnvironment.sh" in advance too | 06:10 |
| mducharme | to make sure all the environment variables are set to use the wre stuff.... | 06:10 |
| elnino | the cpan.sh does that, and does the normal cpan command, which is already in my environment, so I gues I do use wre's =) | 06:10 |
| mducharme | I don't actually trust the wre backup myself and manually shut down webgui and .tgz up the /data folder tree before doing any upgrade | 06:12 |
| mducharme | only thing you need running when doing the webgui upgrade is mysql.. the other processes can be stopped | 06:12 |
| elnino | I do too. =) | 06:12 |
| +perlDreamer | you people are paranoid!!!! | 06:16 |
| mducharme | hehe | 06:17 |
| mducharme | it pays to be paranoid, in this business | 06:18 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * rf7ed6f2 / Changes : mark release date - http://bit.ly/OjhMf | 06:46 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino: we aren't fixing 7.6 bugs anymore, but I suspect that the same bug exists in 7.7 | 07:47 |
| elnino | did you see my second bug report? | 07:48 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, RSS feeds are done differently in 7.7 | 07:49 |
| +perlDreamer | and with 7.7 being stable, demo is running it | 07:49 |
| +perlDreamer | in the CS edit screen, you'll see an RSS tab | 07:50 |
| +perlDreamer | all the old RssFromParent and RssCapable stuff is gone | 07:50 |
| +perlDreamer | replaced by the RssFeed AssetAspect | 07:50 |
| elnino | but it didn't give me a "rss from parent" asset | 07:50 |
| +perlDreamer | it won't | 07:50 |
| elnino | so what url do I use? | 07:50 |
| +perlDreamer | in 7.7 they don't exist anymore | 07:50 |
| +perlDreamer | urlForCS?func=viewRss | 07:51 |
| elnino | ew. ok. | 07:51 |
| +perlDreamer | you can always use a redirect asset to hide that behing urlForCS.rss | 07:51 |
| +perlDreamer | behind urlForCS.rss | 07:51 |
| elnino | too much hassle. I liked it when you did that for me. =) | 07:52 |
| +perlDreamer | you wouldn't believe all the problems we had with the old solution | 07:52 |
| +perlDreamer | this one is not as pretty URL-wise, but much easier to deal with | 07:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I did a 10 minute talk last year on why RssFromParent/RssCapable is bad at the WUC | 07:52 |
| +perlDreamer | well, more like 5 minutes | 07:53 |
| elnino | I missed that one. sorry. | 07:55 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we should submit an RFE to add a button to the RSS tab that automatically makes the redirect asset for you? | 07:56 |
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| @plainhao | morning, peeps | 15:14 |
| * plainhao has a question about style (webgui, not fashion). | 15:15 | |
| @plainhao | i have this page layout with a particular style, and in that style template, i have this: ^AssetProxy(weird/sku/asset); | 15:17 |
| @plainhao | that embedded sku asset is processing its own template correctly, but inherits the page layout's style template, so its processed output never shows up. | 15:19 |
| @plainhao | my question is, what should i do? i tried this: <tmpl_if body.content><tmpl_var body.content><tmpl_else>^AssetProxy(weird/sku/asset);</tmpl_if> | 15:20 |
| @plainhao | but it seems body.content is never fully empty | 15:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | good morning everybody! | 17:32 |
| @Haarg | morning perlDreamer | 17:32 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: if you haven't installed presto yet you might consider it. 165MB of updates reduced to 5.4MB of delta rpms. Maybe not so important for you, but a huge deal for my 768kbps line. | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | is it available for FC10? | 18:17 |
| +perlmonkey2 | no idea. | 18:17 |
| +perlmonkey2 | yep, looks like it is. | 18:18 |
| +perlmonkey2 | yum-presto looks like it has been available since FC-6, but I doubt many drpms were built until recently. | 18:18 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0dd476e / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Codearea.pm): YUI 2.6 has element-beta-min. Fixes 10893. - http://bit.ly/XyVq0 | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, the asset manager JSON thing has me stumped. | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | which fields have macros in them, and where/how do they get processed? | 18:29 |
| @Haarg | the case i ran into had a macro in the title | 18:30 |
| @Haarg | i don't know why | 18:30 |
| @Haarg | but if you just return content to the URL content handler, it always does macro processing on it | 18:30 |
| @Haarg | err | 18:31 |
| @Haarg | i mean the Content URL handler | 18:31 |
| @Haarg | because it calls session->output->print | 18:31 |
| @Haarg | you can avoid that by calling $session->output->print($content, 1); | 18:32 |
| @Haarg | but there's no way for the content handler to signal the Content URL handler to do that | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | we can use Mime Type | 18:32 |
| @Haarg | possibly | 18:32 |
| @Haarg | anything that isn't text/ | 18:33 |
| @Haarg | the fix i put on frozen was to have the www_ method in the asset manager code call $session->output->print($content, 1) and return "chunked" | 18:33 |
| @Haarg | the problem with the mime type is that there are cases where we return JSON as text/html | 18:34 |
| @Haarg | on purpose | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | that would lead to the 2nd question | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | how in the world did a title get shoehorned in there with a macro in it? | 18:35 |
| @Haarg | i don't know | 18:35 |
| @Haarg | it was a rather old asset | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, that's what I was thinking | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | it predates fixTitle | 18:36 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | when JSON is returned as text/html, is that by design, or just because the mime type hasn't been set? | 18:37 |
| @Haarg | by design | 18:38 |
| @Haarg | there isn't a good solution for it that i know if | 18:38 |
| @Haarg | *of | 18:38 |
| @Haarg | the problem is yui upload controls | 18:38 |
| @Haarg | if you use YUI connection's file upload, it actually uses an iframe to do the upload | 18:39 |
| @Haarg | so the result has to be something that can be loaded in an iframe | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | which is HTML | 18:39 |
| @Haarg | and it has to be something that can be parsed | 18:39 |
| @Haarg | apparently if you use text/plain browsers do funny things like turn it into html by wrapping it in <pre> tags | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | in that case, I'll take the frozen fix, apply it, and shop it around to some of the other content handlers | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | but it's just ugly | 18:40 |
| @Haarg | yes | 18:41 |
| @Haarg | it might be good to just use the mime type | 18:41 |
| @Haarg | then for other cases add special handling | 18:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah | 18:41 |
| @Haarg | it seems like a better solution for those situations would be to use text/plain or similar and then rip off the pre tags. | 18:45 |
| @Haarg | i have a feeling text/html is going to mess with the content in more subtle ways | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | at that point, though, we're all the way back in the browser | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | and it should be YUI's job to handle that mess for us | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | well, in my JS newbie opinion :) | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | did you know that ! bind tighter than =~ ? | 18:51 |
| @Haarg | not offhand | 18:53 |
| @Haarg | yui tries to handle as much of that as it can, but it has to fight the browser | 18:53 |
| @Haarg | you can't use the correct mime type no matter what yui does | 18:53 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r960ca38 / lib/WebGUI/Session/Http.pm : Update POD to show new default mime type. - http://bit.ly/3Pz18w | 18:55 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rca0d836 / (3 files in 3 dirs): fix #10891: Change session->output->print to skip macros based on detecting the mime-type. - http://bit.ly/dz7hE | 18:55 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rfcaad56 / t/Asset/Wobject/EventManagementSystem.t : Make test clean-up its version tag. - http://bit.ly/3rjou2 | 19:32 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r54b9d4d / t/Asset/Wobject/EventManagementSystem.t : Make test clean-up its version tag. - http://bit.ly/11cC1x | 19:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: did you do something to the git config to make it rewrite paths for the packages directory? | 20:58 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rf28b87b / (2 files in 2 dirs): Patch matrix listing template. fixes #10900 - http://bit.ly/zUiFI | 20:58 |
| @Haarg | no | 20:58 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 20:59 |
| @Haarg | why? | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I just cherry picked an update from master that contained a new package | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | during the "autocommit" I got this: | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | rewrite docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.20/matrix-default-detailed-listing.wgpkg (100%) | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | and sure enough, in master, that package is in 7.8 | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | and in webgui-7.7, it's in 7.7.20 | 21:01 |
| @Haarg | heh | 21:01 |
| @Haarg | git tries to be very smart about merging so apparently it figured it out | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | that makes merging packages so easy! | 21:02 |
| @Haarg | we'll see going forward how well it does | 21:03 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1e37b6b / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Shelf.pm): Only log products that aren't defined in the Shelf. fix 10902 - http://bit.ly/Z4JB8 | 21:25 |
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| elnino | hmm. so.. I need to create a "request quote" form Do I do this with custom code? or is there a way to use the dataform asset that will populate fields from url parameters, and drop list choices from the current list of product assets? | 22:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino, the FormParam macro will let you fill out with URL parameters, but doing the drop down list is something altogether different. | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | Maybe you could bend the Thingy to do that | 23:47 |
| elnino | I was just thinking that. does thingy have emailing capabilities/ | 23:47 |
| elnino | ? | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | it has triggers to run workflows, and it wouldn't be too hard to make a workflow that sends emails based on that | 23:49 |
| elnino | ok. I'll have to think some more. Thanks! | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | good luck :) | 23:53 |
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| +SynQ | wow | 00:05 |
| +SynQ | this is awsome: http://www.webgui.org/use/community-wiki/installing-webgui-in-debian | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk++ | 00:07 |
| +SynQ | perlDreamer: can you help me explain the output of the utility script "wg-testCodebase --configFile /etc/webgui/webgui.conf" | 00:08 |
| +SynQ | Called UNIVERSAL::can() as a function | 00:08 |
| +SynQ | does that ring a bell? | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | that is a perl bug that can be ignored | 00:08 |
| +SynQ | hmm | 00:08 |
| +SynQ | can it be circumvented too? | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | just have to live with it until the module authors fix it | 00:09 |
| +SynQ | don't that just suck | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | you kind of get used to it | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | like nose hair | 00:09 |
| +SynQ | uh huh | 00:09 |
| +SynQ | nose hair can be trimmed | 00:09 |
| +SynQ | or pulled | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe you could filter it out using grep? | 00:10 |
| +perlDreamer | grep -v 'UNIVERSAL::cal' | 00:10 |
| +perlDreamer | or, if you are a perl puring | 00:10 |
| +SynQ | grep -v 'UNIVERSAL::can' then | 00:10 |
| +perlDreamer | perl -ne 'print unless /UNIVERSAL::can/;' | 00:10 |
| +SynQ | uh huh | 00:10 |
| +SynQ | that costs way more memory :P | 00:10 |
| +SynQ | I can ignore it | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, man. I don't like it either | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg doesn't like it. | 00:11 |
| +SynQ | perhaps someone needs to hyjack that perl module :P | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | or, maybe somebody could track down what is causing it, fix it, then send the module author a patch | 00:12 |
| +SynQ | Can't call method "headers" on an undefined value at t/Asset/Redirect/mech.t line 96. | 00:12 |
| +SynQ | is that bad? | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | that one is bad | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like a test bug, rather than a core bug, though | 00:13 |
| +SynQ | ok | 00:13 |
| +SynQ | perlDreamer: do you know if I can use WebGUI current stable on debian too? | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I think the latest WebGUI Debian package is 7.6.35.2 | 00:15 |
| +SynQ | I know | 00:15 |
| +SynQ | works like a charm | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | is apache running on the maching that you're testing? | 00:16 |
| +SynQ | uh huh | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 00:16 |
| +SynQ | why? | 00:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | that test passes on my dev box | 00:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | source install, webgui 7.7.20 | 00:17 |
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| +SynQ | I'll give it a go later | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | how's the new WRE coming along? | 00:20 |
| +SynQ | slowly | 00:20 |
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| +SynQ | SquOnk kudo's for you | 00:28 |
| +SynQ | it works! | 00:28 |
| @Haarg | does the latest version of UNIVERSAL::can still spit out those errors? | 01:07 |
| @Haarg | well, warnings | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm running 1.05, and it does. 1.12 is available | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, I'm running 1.05 of UNIVERSAL | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | let me install it quick, and see what pops out | 01:11 |
| @Haarg | of UNIVERSAL or UNIVERSAL::can ? | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | let me double check | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I've been working late, and I'm making stupid mistakes today | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I was running 1.05 of UNIVERSAL::can | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | installing 1.15 fixes the problem | 01:12 |
| @Haarg | cool | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I was thinking of installing IE8 on my Vista VM to test a bug, but I don't know if it's easy to uninstall | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | have you done something like that? | 01:13 |
| @Haarg | uninstall ie8? | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, so i can still have IE7 available. | 01:18 |
| @Haarg | i just have separate VMs for ie6/7/8 | 01:18 |
| @Haarg | if you just want to test it once, you should be able to take a snapshot, install, test, and revert | 01:18 |
| @Haarg | hopefully they add branching snapshots to virtualbox soon so i'll be able to use that instead of having separate VMs | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | This may have been a dream, but I remember a story on Slashdot saying that M$ was thinking about not making browsers anymore. | 01:23 |
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| @tavisto | perldreamer, all is well in wG shop land. Just helped her process her order. Was some hangup with her address info (from previous funked up order) | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | good news :) | 01:25 |
| @tavisto | yep, as long as the address funkiness doesn't happen again. Which I assume wont now that her order saved her info | 01:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, Haarg: I just fixed a bug for the File form plugin. | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I've tested the CS and the Profile system | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | can you think of any other edge cases that I should check? | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, it must be time to quit | 03:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I just created git commit beebeef | 03:04 |
| +perlDreamer | even git is telling me that it's time for dinner | 03:04 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0cbc4ee / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/File.pm): | 03:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: fix #10879. Form/File loses files from previous storageId. | 03:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Tested Collaboration System, and User Profile Avatar field. - http://bit.ly/A2btC | 03:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rbeebeef / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/File.pm): | 03:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: fix #10879. Form/File loses files from previous storageId. | 03:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Tested Collaboration System, and User Profile Avatar field. - http://bit.ly/DxFTl | 03:04 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8fd0be0 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Purge tests before cleaning up version tags. Fix a leaky test. - http://bit.ly/t3rGb | 05:48 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rd60591d / (2 files in 2 dirs): Purge tests before cleaning up version tags. Fix a leaky test. - http://bit.ly/NoBDi | 05:48 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r72d4c56 / lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm : Log an error if duplicate cannot make a copy of itself. | 22:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6b1fde7 / lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm : Log an error if duplicate cannot make a copy of itself. - http://bit.ly/zCsJF | 22:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r448c4d0 / lib/WebGUI/AssetBranch.pm : Fix POD in duplicateBranch, tidy the code. - http://bit.ly/3ljjhn | 22:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9e2cdbd / lib/WebGUI/AssetBranch.pm : Fix POD in duplicateBranch, tidy the code. - http://bit.ly/3izGdx | 22:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rd4d1b14 / lib/WebGUI/Macro/UsersOnline.pm : | 22:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Force userId comparisons in SQL to use strings, not numbers. | 22:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Use WGBP for reference syntax. - http://bit.ly/NPC8d | 22:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2f602df / lib/WebGUI/Macro/UsersOnline.pm : | 22:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Force userId comparisons in SQL to use strings, not numbers. | 22:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Use WGBP for reference syntax. - http://bit.ly/36ZBhg | 22:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf484a34 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix date display in EMS Schedule. fixes 10876. - http://bit.ly/30kylU | 22:06 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5eeaecc / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix date display in EMS Schedule. fixes 10876. - http://bit.ly/2Pt03O | 22:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | WUC-5 and counting | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat1: you're loving this helpdesk thing, aren't you? ;) | 01:52 |
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| daviddelikat1 | your back... | 02:11 |
| daviddelikat1 | I just sent you email replying to your comment.... | 02:11 |
| daviddelikat1 | perlDreamer: ^^^^ | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, I'm in and out | 02:30 |
| daviddelikat1 | 's ok | 02:30 |
| daviddelikat1 | you get your stuff done? | 02:30 |
| daviddelikat1 | slides. | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I need 3 more screen shots, then I can start building the actual slides | 02:31 |
| daviddelikat1 | ooof... how big is your presentation? | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | should come in at 40 minutes | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | but I always make too many slides, then talk too fast and get done early | 02:31 |
| daviddelikat1 | sounds pretty normal | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | in this case, Story manager, that's not bad, since I'm hoping people come with lots of questions | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | so having extra time at the end is a bonus | 02:32 |
| daviddelikat1 | where does story manager show up in WG admin bar? | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | In the community section | 02:33 |
| daviddelikat1 | is it not released yet? I don't see it | 02:33 |
| daviddelikat1 | or do I have to install it manually | 02:34 |
| +perlDreamer | it's in 7.7. Might want to check your config file to see if it's in there | 02:34 |
| daviddelikat1 | I'm looking at breading edge here so I'll check | 02:34 |
| daviddelikat1 | s/bread/blead/ | 02:34 |
| +perlDreamer | the problem with breading edge is all the crumbs :) | 02:35 |
| daviddelikat1 | the problem with my typing is all the crumbs... | 02:35 |
| * SDuensin is angered at the config file. | 02:35 | |
| daviddelikat1 | wooo theres life out there | 02:35 |
| daviddelikat1 | 'sup SDuensin? | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | It's in JSON | 02:36 |
| SDuensin | I'm going to write a script that rebuilds them from data in the SQL database so they're all the same. Right now, I have a mess - they're all different depending on when they were created. | 02:36 |
| SDuensin | JSON for configs is Good Stuff (tm). | 02:36 |
| daviddelikat1 | doesn't the upgrade script have some code that reads/rewrites the config file? | 02:37 |
| SDuensin | If it does, it turned a blind eye to me. | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | not by default | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | you have to manually do the upgrades | 02:39 |
| SDuensin | Which is A-NOY-ING. :-P | 02:39 |
| daviddelikat1 | so any time there is something to add to the config it has to be done by hand? | 02:39 |
| daviddelikat1 | like the stgory manager? | 02:40 |
| SDuensin | Yup. | 02:40 |
| SDuensin | Eventually, I'll have: ./webguiupdate; ./fix-shit | 02:40 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat1: in the case of Story Manager, it should have been added to the config file in the 7.7.4 to 7.7.5 upgrade | 02:40 |
| +perlDreamer | or, any new site should get it as well, since it's in the default WebGUI.conf file | 02:40 |
| daviddelikat1 | so doesn't that have to read/write the config file? | 02:41 |
| +perlDreamer | it does | 02:41 |
| daviddelikat1 | hence my suggestion | 02:42 |
| +perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/181561 | 02:42 |
| +perlDreamer | let me try to be clearer | 02:42 |
| +perlDreamer | the upgrade skeleton and default subs in there don't do anything to upgrade site config files | 02:42 |
| +perlDreamer | if you want to upgrade it, you have to write a subroutine to do it | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | and they're pretty simple | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | the API is quite nice | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | however, since it's based on hashes, the config file that is written out doesn't keep comments, or any particular order | 02:43 |
| daviddelikat1 | this is mine from adSku $session->config->addToHash("assets", 'WebGUI::Asset::Sku::Ad' => { category => 'shop' } ); | 02:44 |
| daviddelikat1 | well that didn't work... | 02:44 |
| daviddelikat1 | http://gist.github.com/181562 | 02:44 |
| SDuensin | Side question... Why such an extensive config file anyway? Why not put the bulk of that in the SQL database to make it easier to manipulate? | 02:44 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, it's due to performance | 02:45 |
| +perlDreamer | the config file is loaded when apache starts up | 02:45 |
| +perlDreamer | and cached again | 02:45 |
| +perlDreamer | the settings in the database have to be returned on every page hit | 02:45 |
| +perlDreamer | since any previous hit may have changed them | 02:45 |
| SDuensin | Can't cache 'em? | 02:45 |
| SDuensin | I mean, let it require a restart to change them. Who cares. | 02:46 |
| SDuensin | Just seems easier. :-) | 02:46 |
| SDuensin | Then all you'd need on disk is information on how to contact the database. | 02:46 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, dbpass, dbuser and dsn | 02:46 |
| +perlDreamer | and slave information | 02:46 |
| SDuensin | Yup. | 02:47 |
| SDuensin | That's what I'm headed towards here. All my WebGUI stuff is going to be generated so it's consistent. | 02:47 |
| daviddelikat1 | did you know that you can 'git' a clone of a 'gist' | 02:48 |
| * SDuensin doesn't know much about git yet. | 02:48 | |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg mentioned that earlier this week | 02:48 |
| +perlDreamer | pretty handy sometimes | 02:48 |
| daviddelikat1 | I wonder if you could use it as a third party communication system | 02:49 |
| +perlDreamer | one of my favorites is curl http://gist.githum.com/172345.txt | patch -p1 | 02:49 |
| daviddelikat1 | two applications could talk without either one having an open port | 02:49 |
| SDuensin | WTF is gist? | 02:49 |
| daviddelikat1 | its like paste bin | 02:50 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a paste application hosted by github | 02:50 |
| SDuensin | ah | 02:50 |
| daviddelikat1 | only works with git | 02:50 |
| +perlDreamer | each gist is its own repo, so you can change it, branch it, clone it, etc | 02:50 |
| daviddelikat1 | I found a git - vm online that I'm dieing to try out... | 02:50 |
| daviddelikat1 | I wonder if it has gist on it? | 02:51 |
| +perlDreamer | git - vm ? | 02:51 |
| daviddelikat1 | I hav enot booted it up yet so i dont know what s on it | 02:51 |
| daviddelikat1 | virtual machine | 02:51 |
| daviddelikat1 | its ~very~ small | 02:51 |
| daviddelikat1 | like 90Meg | 02:52 |
| daviddelikat1 | I hope it runs git-hub because its a very nice interface. | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | wow | 02:52 |
| daviddelikat1 | I just did rm -r on the repo i made of my gist.... | 02:53 |
| daviddelikat1 | I forgot the -f | 02:53 |
| daviddelikat1 | so it asks me to confirm each file | 02:53 |
| daviddelikat1 | around 75 files... | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Ctrl-C out of it, and do it again | 02:56 |
| daviddelikat1 | I already finished it, my curiousity overcame my anoyance | 02:57 |
| daviddelikat1 | I pasted the text into wc -l and found there were 61 | 02:57 |
| daviddelikat1 | thats a lot of overhead for one like of text | 02:58 |
| daviddelikat1 | so I guess I won't be tracking any one liners with git | 02:58 |
| daviddelikat1 | I think I've fixed enough stuff for today... If nothing else I'll see folks on Wednesday at the hackathon... | 03:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, that's a good question about caching. | 03:25 |
| SDuensin | I just thought all the configs was different. Seems other systems are going the other way - more in the DB, less in text. | 03:26 |
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| wgGuest12 | hi all | 04:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | wgGuest06, howdy | 04:37 |
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| +danny_mk | OK, upgrading from 7.6.35->7.7.17 got error: Table 'AdSku' already exists nothing in Wiki | 06:51 |
| +danny_mk | clues? | 06:51 |
| +danny_mk | I obviously know what the error means, however the upgrade script failed during upgrade | 06:53 |
| SDuensin | I did the upgrade and didn't hit that. :-/ | 06:54 |
| +danny_mk | from 7.6.35? | 06:58 |
| SDuensin | yep | 07:02 |
| +danny_mk | hmmm... darn | 07:02 |
| +danny_mk | I have restored the entire database and directory a few times already | 07:02 |
| SDuensin | :-( | 07:03 |
| SDuensin | I hate when upgrades go south. | 07:03 |
| +danny_mk | I am wondering if I should upgrade to a few of the beta version first. However, I am afraid I will hit the same snag | 07:04 |
| * SDuensin waves wildly at preaction or perlDreamer or someone else smart. :-) | 07:06 | |
| * perlDreamer is here | 07:06 | |
| SDuensin | HAAAALLLLP! | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | whazzup? | 07:06 |
| SDuensin | [22:51] <danny_mk> OK, upgrading from 7.6.35->7.7.17 got error: Table 'AdSku' already exists nothing in Wiki | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 07:07 |
| +danny_mk | yup | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | danny_mk, I've upgraded sites from 7.6.35 to 7.7.17 with no problems | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | you didn't happen to manually backport anything? | 07:07 |
| +danny_mk | yes | 07:07 |
| +danny_mk | I have backups of everything | 07:07 |
| +danny_mk | I got smart when I first started using WebGUI :-) | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd restore from backup, and then see if you have an AdSku table already | 07:08 |
| +danny_mk | OK, let me check that out | 07:08 |
| +perlDreamer | then isolate exactly which line in the upgrade is causing you problems | 07:08 |
| +danny_mk | OK, that you have to tell me where to find | 07:08 |
| +danny_mk | where in the upgrade.pl script | 07:09 |
| +perlDreamer | no in upgrade.pl | 07:09 |
| +danny_mk | DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table 'AdSku' already exists at ../lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 137 | 07:09 |
| +danny_mk | you mean that? | 07:09 |
| +perlDreamer | upgrade.pl is a driver for docs/upgrades/*.pl | 07:09 |
| +danny_mk | yes, I got that | 07:09 |
| +perlDreamer | we'll have to backtrack it from the upgrade output | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | try piping that into a log file | 07:10 |
| +danny_mk | OK, sequence? | 07:10 |
| SDuensin | You on UNIX? | 07:11 |
| +danny_mk | perl upgrade.pl --doit > pdreamer.log | 07:11 |
| +danny_mk | YUP | 07:11 |
| +danny_mk | not WRE | 07:11 |
| SDuensin | Or "tee" it so you can watch. | 07:11 |
| +danny_mk | installing from source | 07:11 |
| SDuensin | perl upgrade.pl --doit | tee pdreamer.log | 07:11 |
| +danny_mk | right | 07:11 |
| +perlDreamer | danny_mk: sequence: 1) restore from backup (db, uploads, source tree) | 07:11 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) perl upgrade.pl --doit > pdreamer.log # or whichever | 07:12 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe grab STDERR, too | 07:12 |
| SDuensin | perl upgrade.pl --doit &2>1 | tee pdreamer.log | 07:12 |
| * SDuensin has to run. Back later | 07:13 | |
| * perlDreamer will be unavailable tomorrow, unless the plane has wifi | 07:13 | |
| +perlDreamer | I reviewed the upgrade scripts, and they're in order | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | other possible causes | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | 2 config files with the same database | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | same dsn, that is | 07:16 |
| +danny_mk | nope | 07:18 |
| +danny_mk | alright, that table existed in the database, however it was empty so I just dropped it. Now I am doing the upgrade again | 07:21 |
| +perlDreamer | in 7.6.35, it existed in the database? | 07:35 |
| +danny_mk | hold on | 07:39 |
| +danny_mk | darn, it was going good until it hit: Can't call method "setScratch" on an undefined value at ../lib/WebGUI/AssetTrash.pm line 312 | 07:41 |
| +danny_mk | nothing in the pdreamer.log | 07:41 |
| +danny_mk | the table was there because I forgot to drop the database | 07:41 |
| +danny_mk | however I did everything from scratch again dropping the database and it still failed with that error (setScratch) | 07:42 |
| * SDuensin is back. | 07:53 | |
| +danny_mk | SDuensin: Have you ever seen the error: Can't call method "setScratch" on an undefined value at ../lib/WebGUI/AssetTrash.pm line 312 | 07:58 |
| SDuensin | Nope. Any of your mounted volumes full? Or close to it? | 07:58 |
| +danny_mk | the other problem happened because I did not drop the database | 07:58 |
| +danny_mk | anyway, on my way to another import after I dropped all the tables | 07:58 |
| +danny_mk | will let you know | 07:58 |
| +danny_mk | Plenty of space: / only 22% used and the WebGUI mount point has 115 gigs available | 08:03 |
| SDuensin | Is /tmp ok? | 08:03 |
| +danny_mk | the / file system has 75gig available | 08:04 |
| +danny_mk | so /tmp has 75gig available | 08:04 |
| SDuensin | Well, there goes my idea. | 08:05 |
| +danny_mk | alright I am backing up to 7.6.35 and going to bed. Will have to deal with this tomorrow or some other time | 08:06 |
| +danny_mk | thank you for all your help | 08:06 |
| SDuensin | yw | 08:06 |
| +danny_mk | night... | 08:07 |
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| SDuensin | Night. | 08:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I think that may be a bug, or a stale workflow or something | 08:22 |
| SDuensin | Psych time! TTYL | 08:30 |
| +perlDreamer | 'night | 08:50 |
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| +BartJol | is it so quiet because of the silent preparation before the WUC? | 22:36 |
| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12322 /translations/German/German/Asset_StockData.pm: Update from translation server | 22:39 |
| +BartJol | cool german over 90%! | 22:48 |
| +BartJol | JDan: did you solve your spectre problem? | 22:50 |
| +BartJol | well, the errors it gives | 22:50 |
| JDan | BartJol: Hi | 22:50 |
| +BartJol | goodevening | 22:51 |
| JDan | Not exactly. I know, my castomer deleted home page | 22:51 |
| +BartJol | strange people, those customers | 22:52 |
| JDan | I trayed login and enter to trash. I moved home page from trash and now service is active | 22:52 |
| JDan | But from time to time modperl proces go to loop | 22:52 |
| +BartJol | still doesn't sound good | 22:53 |
| JDan | Today I have plan backup all services and start rebuildLineage.pl | 22:53 |
| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12323 /translations/German/German/PayDriver_Ogone.pm: Update from translation server | 22:54 |
| +BartJol | well, those specter errors don't sound like a lineage problem | 22:55 |
| +BartJol | but if someone hinted that that might solve something, it might | 22:56 |
| JDan | In my opinion there is big hole that user by deleting home page can kill www site | 22:56 |
| +BartJol | well, broken lineage isn't a good thing ;P | 22:57 |
| JDan | Yes | 22:57 |
| +BartJol | but that errors look more like an crooked connection | 22:58 |
| +BartJol | I might be repeating myself, but are those sitenames in the /etc/hosts file | 22:58 |
| +BartJol | rebuildLineage still might be a good idea though | 22:59 |
| JDan | At first I check rebuild lineage | 23:00 |
| +BartJol | ok | 23:00 |
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| +BartJol | bbs, have to reboot | 23:02 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12324 /translations/German/German/PayDriver_ITransact.pm: Update from translation server | 23:08 |
| JDan | BartJol: Do you come from German? Do you translate WebGUI? I ask becouse I don't know people who use and suport project | 23:12 |
| +BartJol | I translate Dutch | 23:14 |
| +BartJol | (and am Dutch) | 23:14 |
| JDan | I translate Polish translation. I am Pole. | 23:16 |
| +BartJol | I suspected so much | 23:16 |
| +BartJol | do you have questions? | 23:17 |
| JDan | not now ;-) | 23:17 |
| +BartJol | well, the Germans and Dutch are quite active translators, so if you do, ask | 23:18 |
| +BartJol | the germans have more experience with non-english symbols though | 23:18 |
| JDan | I have a lot experience with previous WebGUI version. I made a lot of extensions for my customers. But now I have to explore 7.x line. | 23:20 |
| +BartJol | ah, and maybe rewrite them | 23:24 |
| +BartJol | you used mainly 5.x? | 23:24 |
| JDan | Yes, exactly. It is very stable and good edition. | 23:25 |
| JDan | I have more then 400 sites today on it | 23:26 |
| JDan | And only 5 on 7.x | 23:26 |
| +BartJol | whoa, 400? | 23:26 |
| JDan | Probably I am the only who use WebGUI at Poland. | 23:27 |
| JDan | all arround like PHP, not Perl | 23:27 |
| JDan | One of my servers is near Dutch - at Host Europe, German company | 23:28 |
| +BartJol | mmm, but updating from 5 to 7 might get troublesome, especially templates will break | 23:31 |
| JDan | I know. I make new sites on WebGUI 7 or migrate by hand | 23:32 |
| JDan | rebuilding LineAge finished. Site is alive. I am testing it | 23:33 |
| --- Day changed Mon Sep 07 2009 | ||
| +BartJol | and, succefull? | 00:03 |
| JDan | Yes. All assets are present. Tomorrow webmaster will tidy site. | 00:05 |
| JDan | modperl doesn't loop | 00:06 |
| +BartJol | ah, that was default behaviour, not incidental? | 00:06 |
| JDan | You mean system or client behaviour | 00:07 |
| +BartJol | no whether it happens always or sometimes | 00:08 |
| +BartJol | happened | 00:08 |
| JDan | It's one incident | 00:08 |
| JDan | till now | 00:08 |
| JDan | it's was | 00:08 |
| +BartJol | well, let's hope it remains that way | 00:09 |
| JDan | I feel more calm | 00:09 |
| +BartJol | :) | 00:09 |
| +BartJol | and those spectre errors? | 00:19 |
| +SynQ | good | 00:22 |
| +SynQ | bart: are you catching the same train as the rest of the delft team? | 00:22 |
| JDan | Sadly spectre errors are present on both my servers with WebGUI 7 | 00:22 |
| +BartJol | I will SynQ | 00:25 |
| +BartJol | that is 7.28 | 00:25 |
| +SynQ | good | 00:26 |
| +BartJol | are you coming by train or car? | 00:26 |
| +SynQ | I'll see you there | 00:26 |
| +SynQ | train | 00:26 |
| +SynQ | I'll be in it when you get on in HS | 00:26 |
| +BartJol | martin forgot to mail me at first | 00:26 |
| +SynQ | ah | 00:26 |
| +SynQ | gotta pack now :) | 00:26 |
| +SynQ | see you tomorrow | 00:26 |
| +SynQ | don't forget your passport | 00:26 |
| +SynQ | :) | 00:27 |
| +BartJol | ah, passport and clothing | 00:27 |
| +BartJol | you have the tickets right? | 00:27 |
| +SynQ | indeed | 00:27 |
| +SynQ | economy + | 00:27 |
| +BartJol | coolio | 00:27 |
| +SynQ | no seats in front of us :) | 00:27 |
| +SynQ | I'll see you tomorrow | 00:27 |
| +BartJol | with a bit of luuck, I'll be able to buy you a beer on wednesday | 00:27 |
| +SynQ | have a good night sleep | 00:27 |
| +BartJol | I'll try | 00:27 |
| +SynQ | ~ | 00:28 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2f2b870 / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.0/root_import_storymanager_storytopic.wgpkg : Put read more link into Story Topic template. - http://bit.ly/l94kh | 05:26 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r8814f16 / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_StoryTopic.pm : Forgot to include the i18n for Story Topic template label. - http://bit.ly/3ydTy | 05:26 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rcba2113 / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.0/root_import_storymanager_storytopic.wgpkg : Make readonly link only show up when not in standalone mode. - http://bit.ly/8fkHr | 05:26 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r706fc29 / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.0/root_import_storymanager_storytopic.wgpkg : Put read more link into Story Topic template. - http://bit.ly/V15k7 | 05:26 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1e98e34 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/User.pm t/User.t): RE: Profiles, public != visitor. fixes #10907 - http://bit.ly/2exf4 | 05:26 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra06dc91 / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.0/root_import_storymanager_storytopic.wgpkg : Make readonly link only show up when not in standalone mode. - http://bit.ly/12mvI4 | 05:26 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r8c6fe03 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/User.pm t/User.t): RE: Profiles, public != visitor. fixes #10907 - http://bit.ly/1iB3aI | 05:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I need a little git help, if you're awake | 06:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I developed some code in the wrong branch (7.7) and want to move it to 7.8 | 06:04 |
| +perlDreamer | any other git type people are welcome to help, too ;) | 06:06 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rff55ab1 / (4 files in 4 dirs): For USPS priority service, add another container type. - http://bit.ly/14rz9T | 06:12 |
| +perlDreamer | nm, I used diff/patch to do it | 06:20 |
| +perlDreamer | still very easy | 06:20 |
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| +SynQ | the journy has begun | 08:13 |
| * SynQ is on the train | 08:13 | |
| +SynQ | ETA madison 17 hours | 08:13 |
| +SynQ | flight UA909 to ORD is on schedule :) | 08:15 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * rb28452b / lib/WebGUI/Session/Form.pm : change CSRF token messages from warn to debug - http://bit.ly/41Q7oH | 08:36 |
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| CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r5c8c32a / (7 files in 5 dirs): | 13:30 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: More complete testing of WGDev::Command | 13:30 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: A small API change to WGDev::Command was made to make it more consistant | 13:30 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: and more testable. get_command_module, _find_cmd_exec, and | 13:30 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: command_to_module are now methods instead of subroutines. | 13:30 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: WGDev::Command now has as close to 100% coverage as is possible. - http://bit.ly/AaRTB | 13:30 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * ra9648da / (lib/WGDev/Asset.pm t/02_WGDev-Asset.t): more complete testing of WGDev::Asset - http://bit.ly/17k0I5 | 13:30 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r9b2c8cb / lib/WGDev/Command/Edit.pm : fix typo in edit docs - http://bit.ly/3u4BY | 13:30 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * re2d29ff / Build.PL : add test prerequisites and resources metadata to Build.PL - http://bit.ly/OmpNK | 13:30 |
| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12327 /translations/German/German/Asset_SQLReport.pm: Update from translation server | 13:40 |
| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12328 /translations/German/German/AuthLDAP.pm: Update from translation server | 13:58 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12329 /translations/German/German/Asset_WSClient.pm: Update from translation server | 14:25 |
| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12330 /translations/German/German/Asset_Survey.pm: Update from translation server | 14:54 |
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| ekennedy | Is there a way to delete all instances of a recurring calendar entry in the calendar wobject or do you need to delete each instance? Thanks. | 16:34 |
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| JDan | ekennedy: I looked at Callendar source and I have not seen prepared function. But it's possible by using WebGUI::Search($session) and adequate rules. | 17:11 |
| ekennedy | Thanks I had looked at the code too and didn't see anything. I will look at the search mechanism to see if I can use that. Otherwise I'm in the process of writing a WWW:Mechanize script to remove the items. | 17:14 |
| JDan | Look at www_search in WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Calendar | 17:16 |
| JDan | It's perfect code for to build up | 17:17 |
| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12331 /translations/German/German/Asset_Survey.pm: Update from translation server | 17:29 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12332 /translations/German/German/Asset_Story.pm: Update from translation server | 18:14 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12333 /translations/German/German/Asset_StoryTopic.pm: Update from translation server | 18:27 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12334 /translations/German/German/Asset_StoryArchive.pm: Update from translation server | 18:59 |
| KlausH | Asset_StockData "isVisitor": "Whether or not the current user is a visitor. This returns true if the users is authenticated against the system". This seems logical not correct. If user is NOT visitor then isVisitor is true.... | 19:20 |
| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12335 /translations/German/German/Asset_StockData.pm: Update from translation server | 20:13 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd3b97a9 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix an i18n typo in StockData. - http://bit.ly/DfrLk | 22:23 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb319e7f / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix an i18n typo in the ProjectManager. - http://bit.ly/W0eBN | 22:23 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * r3b5ae7a / t/Macro.t : add another quoting edge case to macro tests - http://bit.ly/gbJxd | 22:23 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r8e5b74a / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix an i18n typo in StockData. - http://bit.ly/HcPfZ | 22:23 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r3db6dcd / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix an i18n typo in the ProjectManager. - http://bit.ly/1v9pEF | 22:23 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rca73098 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix i18n copy paste error in Project manager. bug #10921 - http://bit.ly/2eNOAN | 22:37 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r69e2468 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix i18n copy paste error in Project manager. bug #10921 - http://bit.ly/MCAHP | 22:37 |
| Gso125 | hello | 22:38 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb2bc8c9 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix bad i18n and help for Story Manager form errors. - http://bit.ly/GA1at | 22:44 |
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| Gso125 | anyone know why awstats will show only in the servers browser and not from any othe computer | 23:07 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4fec772 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixing more i18n typos in ProjectManager 10923, 10925. - http://bit.ly/S2sSk | 01:39 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r271c33c / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.0/root_import_storymanager_storytopic.wgpkg : Fix a template typo in the StoryTopic. - http://bit.ly/2BYM5U | 01:39 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rf97f732 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixing more i18n typos in ProjectManager 10923, 10925. - http://bit.ly/G0e4d | 01:39 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re642c1c / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.0/root_import_storymanager_storytopic.wgpkg : Fix a template typo in the StoryTopic. - http://bit.ly/LtYP2 | 01:40 |
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| perigrin | stupid question but can I have a chained child action that takes a regex? | 03:42 |
| @preaction | er... is this a webgui thing? | 03:42 |
| perigrin | no this is an 'off by one' thing on my irc list | 03:42 |
| perigrin | you're *right* next to #catalyst :) | 03:42 |
| * SDuensin doesn't even understand the question. | 03:42 | |
| SDuensin | Hehehe | 03:42 |
| perigrin | SDuensin: I'm not sure I do either ... that's the problme :) | 03:44 |
| perigrin | er problem | 03:44 |
| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12336 /translations/German/German/Asset_ProjectManager.pm: Update from translation server | 03:57 |
| KlausH | Done! 100% :-) | 03:57 |
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| +SynQ | morning has broken | 15:38 |
| +BartJol | aah, it's 14:45, we missed breakfast | 15:46 |
| * mducharme1 yawns | 15:46 | |
| +SynQ | we missed breakfast? | 15:46 |
| +SynQ | it's 7:50 man | 15:47 |
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| +BartJol | timezones... | 15:48 |
| +BartJol | I thought I put in an RFE to eleminate timezones | 15:48 |
| +BartJol | preaction: I brought you: beer | 15:49 |
| +BartJol | but unfortunately it aren't the best you can find, I was stuck with what I could find on the airport | 15:50 |
| * BartJol is off for morning stuff | 15:52 | |
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| SquOnk | Hello people. | 17:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam: port 7000 isn't blocked | 17:47 |
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| +patspam | perlDreamer++ | 17:58 |
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| @Haarg | finally got around to rebasing all my past git branches onto the new repo. so now i have 14 feature branches to either eliminate or update for 7.8/8.0. | 18:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | 14? | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | wow | 18:28 |
| @preaction | yeah, i'm surprised it's so low | 18:28 |
| @Haarg | i already removed a few :) | 18:31 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r957eaa4 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Change the i18n label for Help, to be Template Help since that's what it is. - http://bit.ly/X6Fdc | 18:36 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2e99203 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Change the i18n label for Help, to be Template Help since that's what it is. - http://bit.ly/3Wn8K | 18:36 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * rb78d9f8 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix #10928 EMS print ticket not processed for TZ - http://bit.ly/uo8j2 | 18:59 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rb838102 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix #10928 EMS print ticket not processed for TZ - http://bit.ly/Sydd | 18:59 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * rb8127ba / (4 files in 3 dirs): | 19:07 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Revert "When opening or duplicating Session objects, pass on any Apache2::Request object" | 19:07 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: This reverts commit ed97fa1ecd06d0ccf3b5a36c5a5072c0de2db8fd. - http://bit.ly/46fYn | 19:07 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * rb0845ba / (4 files in 3 dirs): | 19:08 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Revert "When opening or duplicating Session objects, pass on any Apache2::Request object" | 19:08 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: This reverts commit ed97fa1ecd06d0ccf3b5a36c5a5072c0de2db8fd. - http://bit.ly/aIObZ | 19:08 |
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| @preaction | isn't there a known bug in the 7.7.19 upgrade? | 20:00 |
| @Haarg | yes | 20:15 |
| @Haarg | if you mean from 7.6 at least | 20:15 |
| @preaction | yeah | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | with templates | 20:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam: shared hosting blog posting - http://blog.johngoulah.com/2009/09/deploying-a-catalyst-app-on-private-hosting/ | 21:51 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 02:05 |
| SquOnk | Question: Who did the first Spanish translation? | 02:06 |
| @Haarg | anyone here use something other than firefox or safari as their primary browser? | 02:12 |
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| SquOnk | Haarg: Epiphany, sometimes. | 02:23 |
| +BartJol | preaction: are you coming by at JT's place? I could chill the Dutch beers | 02:28 |
| @Haarg | who all is over there? | 02:29 |
| SquOnk | Man... dutch beer. | 02:29 |
| SquOnk | What beer have you got there? | 02:29 |
| +BartJol | JT, jamie, colin, sarah and metroman | 02:30 |
| +BartJol | SquOnk: 1 homebrewed and 3 dubious beers from the airport | 02:30 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: lol @ dubious | 02:31 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: "No-brand beer" | 02:31 |
| +BartJol | right | 02:31 |
| +BartJol | well, it's called Amsterdam | 02:32 |
| SquOnk | Bleh, never heard of it. | 02:32 |
| +BartJol | me neither :) | 02:32 |
| SquOnk | Hertog Jan Grand Prestige was one of my favorites. | 02:32 |
| SquOnk | Leeuw Dortmunder | 02:32 |
| SquOnk | 't Ij Columbus was the usual for me | 02:33 |
| +BartJol | well I planned to get some better ones, but I was distracting by remodelling my house | 02:33 |
| +BartJol | usual,...mmm | 02:33 |
| +BartJol | well, it's spotted cow for me now | 02:33 |
| +BartJol | :) | 02:33 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: Although I developed a taste for Leffe Blonde, Duvel and Palm. | 02:34 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: I still have my (almost all checked out) Bierkaart from "De Wildeman" | 02:35 |
| SquOnk | Kolksteeg 3, A'dam | 02:35 |
| +BartJol | well, I should check that one | 02:35 |
| +BartJol | I mostly like steenbrugge tripel | 02:35 |
| SquOnk | You'd find me there mon-fri after 8pm 'til 10pm | 02:35 |
| +BartJol | but not anymore, right? | 02:36 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: Sadly, no. | 02:36 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: I stopped going to the Netherlands in 2000 | 02:36 |
| +BartJol | preaction: are you in Madison? | 02:36 |
| +BartJol | JT tells you to answer | 02:36 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: We only have pilseners in Venezuela. | 02:37 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: And not that good anymore. | 02:37 |
| +BartJol | well, start an import company | 02:37 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: They've started adding rice, corn and other starchs to the wheat... | 02:38 |
| +BartJol | bad people | 02:38 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: ...ah, importing beer is a no go with the exchange restrictions. | 02:38 |
| +BartJol | darn | 02:38 |
| +BartJol | well, illegaly it might even make you more money | 02:38 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: There was a time when venezuelan export beer was lousy compared to what we had here, nowadays it's the other way around. | 02:39 |
| +BartJol | I have to stir JT's dinner | 02:39 |
| * SquOnk working in the Spanish translation | 02:40 | |
| +BartJol | yes, more tranlating is good | 02:41 |
| +BartJol | german is complete too! | 02:41 |
| SquOnk | I'm taking one Asset at a time depending on what this customer is using, so expect Navigation, Collaboration Systems and Syndicated Content to be translated tonight. | 02:41 |
| SquOnk | The Venezuelan Ministry for Economy and Finances is going live with WebGUI 7.6 next monday. | 02:42 |
| SquOnk | And I'm working on getting a Success Story ;-) | 02:42 |
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| SquOnk | Also, the Venezuelan Linux User's Group is going live with WebGUI whenever I have time to set that up... | 02:43 |
| SquOnk | ...and you can get an interview with me anytime regarding that ;-) | 02:43 |
| +BartJol | SquOnk: whoa, that is quite some work | 02:46 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: MPPEF yes, VELUG not really :-) | 02:48 |
| +BartJol | for the pbwg? | 02:48 |
| +BartJol | eeh, I miss some abrreviations | 02:49 |
| SquOnk | MPPEF is the Ministry for Economy and Finances. That was some work. | 02:50 |
| SquOnk | VELUG is the Venezuelan LUG. That was a simple decree :-) | 02:51 |
| * SquOnk is appointed BOFH sysadm for VELUG's resources | 02:51 | |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r0aaeedd / ex/Command.pm : make example command more consistant with pod for arguments - http://bit.ly/wNyFd | 02:55 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r26db661 / (.gitignore MANIFEST.SKIP): Update for MYMETA.yml support - http://bit.ly/LY9p2 | 02:55 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * rf4cda42 / lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm : more consistant messages in reset command - http://bit.ly/4czbX | 02:55 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r782c455 / (.stop_words.txt lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm): | 02:55 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: add --autologon option to reset command | 02:55 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: With the --autologon option specified, it will try find active session | 02:55 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: IDs in your browsers' cookies and create sessions on the site for them. | 02:55 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: The sessions will be logged in as Admin and have admin mode enabled. - http://bit.ly/JB4WM | 02:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: ping | 03:06 |
| +BartJol | hey! | 03:06 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol! | 03:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I haven't seen you online all week | 03:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Where have you been? | 03:06 |
| +BartJol | luckily we don't have to talk face to face | 03:06 |
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| SquOnk | Does {#advanced_dlg.image_title} showing in the Image Dialog rings a bell? | 03:43 |
| +perlDreamer | nope | 03:43 |
| SquOnk | This happens when using the Spanish translation... | 03:43 |
| SquOnk | ...but where to translate? | 03:43 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, I need some more hints. What is the "Image Dialog"? | 03:49 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Article, place an image, bring the dialog to tweak image properties. There. | 03:50 |
| @Haarg | that's in the tinymce code | 03:50 |
| @Haarg | we don't have a direct way to translate that | 03:50 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: I see. | 03:50 |
| @Haarg | the files can be translated, and it can be stuck in the source tree | 03:51 |
| @Haarg | but ideally it would fallback to english | 03:51 |
| +perlDreamer | there's an RFE to add that | 03:51 |
| +perlDreamer | add translations of JS files | 03:51 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: That was my next question, fallback. | 03:51 |
| @Haarg | www/extras/tinymce-webgui/plugins/wginsertimage/langs | 03:51 |
| @Haarg | the processing of that is handled by tinymce so adding fallback would likely by hard or impossible | 03:53 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: So, the problem is TinyMCE's lack of translation or inability to fallback to english? | 03:53 |
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| @Haarg | roughly, yes | 04:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1671aef / (t/Form/DynamicField.t t/lib/WebGUI/Form/FormTest.pm): Write a test that says that loading Form plugins from a place other than /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI works. - http://bit.ly/KZg0L | 04:06 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5cb3a6e / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.19-7.8.0.pl : Add default values to the Matrix to newly added columns. bug #10889 - http://bit.ly/15qRs | 04:06 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rd74226b / (t/Form/DynamicField.t t/lib/WebGUI/Form/FormTest.pm): Write a test that says that loading Form plugins from a place other than /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI works. - http://bit.ly/373usV | 04:06 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r54ef56d / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.19-7.7.20.pl : Add default values to the Matrix to newly added columns. bug #10889 - http://bit.ly/1LDnHI | 04:06 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r2cf67ec / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm): fixed #10889: Old Matrixs break for Admin users - http://bit.ly/o0CaY | 04:07 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * r2f23efc / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm): fixed #10889: Old Matrixs break for Admin users - http://bit.ly/ZN677 | 04:08 |
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| @khenn | anyone on? | 04:21 |
| @Haarg | kind of | 04:23 |
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| @preaction | sort of | 04:24 |
| @khenn | do you know what time the hackathon starts tomorrow? | 04:24 |
| @khenn | I can't find it online | 04:25 |
| @khenn | nm | 04:25 |
| @khenn | wiki | 04:25 |
| @preaction | 9am | 04:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought it was 7:00am | 04:47 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2948e68 / (4 files in 4 dirs): | 07:15 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Fix 10939, commit with approval breaks on assets with autocommit children, Post, Story, Wiki, Event, etc. | 07:15 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Encapsulate a new method to get a fresh asset from the db. With tests. - http://bit.ly/J6Xx7 | 07:15 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r947b91a / (4 files in 4 dirs): | 07:15 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Fix 10939, commit with approval breaks on assets with autocommit children, Post, Story, Wiki, Event, etc. | 07:15 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Encapsulate a new method to get a fresh asset from the db. With tests. - http://bit.ly/zb11b | 07:15 |
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| SquOnk | All right, Spanish translation up to 58% | 07:27 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12337 /translations/German/German/ (AdSpace.pm Auth.pm TaxDriver_EU.pm): Update from translation server | 08:28 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12338 /translations/German/German/ (AuthWebGUI.pm Invite.pm): Update from translation server | 09:09 |
| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12339 /translations/German/German/Asset_MessageBoard.pm: Update from translation server | 09:09 |
| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12340 /translations/German/German/Friends.pm: Update from translation server | 09:09 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * rf6be074 / (2 files in 2 dirs): use consistant messages for WEBGUI_LIVE tests - http://bit.ly/kXUeG | 09:17 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r9f2db43 / (lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm t/Workflow/Instance.t): prevent Workflow from trying to run an activity if it didn't get an object - http://bit.ly/1mOilh | 09:17 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * r76164da / (2 files in 2 dirs): use consistant messages for WEBGUI_LIVE tests - http://bit.ly/3Et7Sw | 09:17 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * r0809b21 / (lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm t/Workflow/Instance.t): prevent Workflow from trying to run an activity if it didn't get an object - http://bit.ly/13K5e7 | 09:17 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12342 /translations/German/German/AuthWebGUI.pm: Update from translation server | 11:19 |
| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12343 /translations/German/German/Asset_AdSku.pm: Update from translation server | 11:19 |
| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12344 /translations/German/German/AdSpace.pm: Update from translation server | 11:19 |
| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12345 /translations/German/German/Asset_Shelf.pm: Update from translation server | 11:19 |
| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12346 /translations/BrazilianPortuguese/ (.tar.gz BrazilianPortuguese/AdSpace.pm): Update from translation server | 12:27 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 16:19 |
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| wgGuest48 | can i han two differents version of WebGUI in the same server? | 16:36 |
| SquOnk | wgGuest48: Yes. Have two virtual servers with different names. | 16:38 |
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| +patspam | http://www.webgui.org/design/wiki/template-best-practices | 17:27 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | Hey patspam congrats on the release. The site looks really good. I checked out the survey but never got around to writing anything (didn't see anything wrong). | 17:33 |
| +patspam | thanks man! | 17:34 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9ec062d / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/VersionTag.pm): Usability improvement for the edit version tag screen. rfe #10862 - http://bit.ly/2Mq8Z | 17:34 |
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| daviddelikat | any body at the hack-a-thon yet? | 17:48 |
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| preaction_ | HAPPY WUC HACKATHON DAY | 17:49 |
| SquOnk | Yay | 17:50 |
| * SquOnk is not there | 17:50 | |
| SquOnk | I'm working on the spanish translation though. | 17:50 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc189c69 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Read preload.custom for extra lib paths in tests. - http://bit.ly/9mWqQ | 19:44 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rd7ca3df / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Read preload.custom for extra lib paths in tests. - http://bit.ly/3JxTQ | 19:44 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r237af9f / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix JS form issues with ThingyRecord. bug #10943 - http://bit.ly/2PBkZU | 19:44 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r08dc40c / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix JS form issues with ThingyRecord. bug #10943 - http://bit.ly/CZUhk | 19:44 |
| +SynQ | connection reset by peer pressure | 19:46 |
| +SynQ | YLMV, your lineage may vary | 19:46 |
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| +SynQ | The results or 'fruits' of actions are called karma-phala. | 19:51 |
| +SynQ | some traditions believe that God plays some kind of role, for example, as the dispenser of the fruits of karmaor as exercising the option to change one's karma in rare instances. | 19:53 |
| +SynQ | However, according to Jainism, neither the God nor the Guru have any role in a person's Karma. A person himself is the sole doer and enjoyer of his karmas and their fruits. | 19:54 |
| +SynQ | I'll go for that | 19:54 |
| preaction_ | i was under the impression that all karma is bad | 19:55 |
| preaction_ | karma is the result of badness, karma causes karmic rebirth | 19:55 |
| preaction_ | the goal should be to transcend karmic rebirth (enlightenment) | 19:55 |
| +SynQ | that would mean that karma is not something you can 'spend' | 19:57 |
| +SynQ | but if you cannot 'spend' it, it's not usable as a voting 'money' for the RFE list | 19:58 |
| +SynQ | perhaps instead of 'spending' the karma it could give some kind of weight for your 'vote' on the rfe list, based on the amount of karma one has | 20:01 |
| mducharme-work | 7.7.20 coming today? | 20:01 |
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| +SynQ | that would mean that the more you do for the community, the more your voice counts in the 'what RFE should be done first' list | 20:04 |
| +SynQ | of course if karma has to 'work' anything you do for the community should (automatically) generate more karma | 20:07 |
| +SynQ | so translating | 20:07 |
| +SynQ | adding to the wiki | 20:07 |
| preaction_ | mducharme-work: no, we currently do not have a tool to release from a Git repo, due to some unforseen setbacks | 20:07 |
| preaction_ | yell at Haarg, it's his pidgin | 20:09 |
| mducharme-work | uh oh | 20:09 |
| +SynQ | but 'fixing' the wiki and the translation and all takes work | 20:10 |
| +SynQ | would that be 'a lot of work' or 'some simple work'? | 20:11 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * re6f38dc / (t/Workflow/Activity/GetCsMail.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): add new API for mocking assets in tests - http://bit.ly/MzJcX | 20:14 |
| +SynQ | actually | 20:18 |
| +SynQ | it doesn't matter if it's a lot of work or some work | 20:18 |
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| +SynQ | I just love a good monologue :P | 20:34 |
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| ckotil | http://pastebin.com/m16f7add7 im missing these lines of JS in the html header. any idea why? | 21:54 |
| +SynQ | bopbopbopbopbop | 21:58 |
| +SynQ | where are you? | 21:58 |
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| @bopbop | hi SynQ | 22:03 |
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| +SynQ | bopbop: are you around? | 22:09 |
| @bopbop | SynQ: by around, do you mean on IRC, or in the Concourse? | 22:09 |
| @bopbop | cuz, I'm not in Madison | 22:10 |
| +SynQ | ah | 22:10 |
| +SynQ | I mean in Madison | 22:10 |
| @bopbop | oh, nope- not until tomorrow | 22:10 |
| +SynQ | too bad | 22:10 |
| @bopbop | :( | 22:10 |
| +SynQ | I'll look forward to tomorrow then :) | 22:11 |
| @bopbop | Ryan is coming for set up, he's stronger than me | 22:11 |
| +SynQ | and balder | 22:11 |
| @bopbop | yes | 22:11 |
| @bopbop | I figured I should send brawn (over brains) | 22:11 |
| +SynQ | haha | 22:11 |
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| +SynQ | crazy horses! | 23:42 |
| preaction_ | MY RAIN WILL FALL LIKE CRAZY FINGERS | 23:49 |
| SquOnk | The cake is a lie? | 23:49 |
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| +patspam | it's so quiet in here.. | 23:59 |
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| SDuensin | Good lord. I think I'm just going to hide in the basement and watch Hulu all night. | 00:22 |
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| +SynQ | http://www.webgui.nl/leden/downloads | 00:28 |
| +SynQ | for my man preaction_ | 00:28 |
| SquOnk | Spanish 63.8% | 00:36 |
| preaction_ | nice | 00:36 |
| preaction_ | it's catching up to German and Dutch | 00:37 |
| +SynQ | :) | 00:38 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: Colin Kuskie master * rca8a62b / lib/WGDev/Command/Version.pm : Add the dist command, outputting version and status formatted nicely. - http://bit.ly/2m3Hoi | 00:50 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: Colin Kuskie master * r005e56e / lib/WGDev/Command/Dist.pm : Allow dist to put files in a remote, build directory. - http://bit.ly/3fS6ES | 00:50 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r0697673 / (15 files in 10 dirs): added Subscribable AssetAspect to Wiki - http://bit.ly/1J8mZ0 | 01:27 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r65120a6 / (21 files in 17 dirs): | 01:27 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui | 01:27 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Conflicts: | 01:27 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt | 01:27 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.19-7.8.0.pl - http://bit.ly/2CZe29 | 01:27 |
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| SquOnk | Spanish 66% | 04:45 |
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| +SynQ | morning | 14:52 |
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| +SynQ | it geat on | 16:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | good morning everyone | 16:36 |
| +perlDreamer | welcome to the IRC simulcast of the WUC 2009 keynote | 16:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Thanks to SwiftySite for helping to sponsor the WUC this year | 16:38 |
| +perlDreamer | if you haven't ever checked it out, you can find it at alphamegahosting.com | 16:38 |
| +perlDreamer | it's in Dutch | 16:38 |
| +perlDreamer | but very cool | 16:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Time for Contributor of the Year award | 16:39 |
| +patspam | can you simulcast in dutch as well? | 16:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Neeh | 16:40 |
| +perlDreamer | The nominations are Procolix, Oqapi, Pluton, SwiftySite, Knowmad, United Knowledge, SDH Consulting and perlDreamer Consulting | 16:40 |
| +perlDreamer | and the winner is SDH Consultinng | 16:42 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be patspam, and andyio | 16:43 |
| +perlDreamer | A special T-Shirt is available honoring Koen De Jonge for his many contributions to WebGUI and the community | 16:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll try to post a picture of it later today | 16:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Time for the Community Award | 16:47 |
| +perlDreamer | the nominees are: | 16:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Bernd and Klaus, for translating WebGUI into German | 16:47 |
| +perlDreamer | that translation is now at 100%, making german the 2nd fully translated language | 16:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Ernesto (SquOnk), for his huge work in getting WebGUI in Debian | 16:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Wes Morgan (cap10morgan) for community involvement and supporting WebGUI | 16:48 |
| +perlDreamer | The Template Working Group, who made the beautiful new default templates in WebGUI 7.7 | 16:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Graham Knopp (Haarg), for building WGDev | 16:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Lauralyn Ninow (elnino) for bug reporting, wiki pages, and helping out in IRC | 16:49 |
| +perlDreamer | and the winner is.... | 16:50 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino! | 16:50 |
| +SynQ | yay! | 16:50 |
| +SynQ | she has a really beautiful baby | 16:50 |
| +patspam | congrats elnino! | 16:51 |
| +perlDreamer | time for the wG status report | 16:51 |
| +perlDreamer | the last year was really huge | 16:51 |
| +SynQ | list of 15 by 3 on the screen | 16:51 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI 8 | 16:51 |
| +perlDreamer | "Changing gears" | 16:52 |
| +SynQ | "Change is coming" | 16:52 |
| +SynQ | don't be afraid | 16:53 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI 8 is the first major release which will be outside of the 5-year API compatibility guarantee | 16:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Performance and Robustness and the two big goals for WebGUI 8 | 16:53 |
| +perlDreamer | "I want people to be able to run Facebook with WebGUI" | 16:53 |
| +SynQ | we are going from enterprise grade to carrier grade | 16:54 |
| +perlDreamer | If it's fast, and if it's robust, then it's usable, which is good for everyone | 16:54 |
| +perlDreamer | There will be a new Admin Console in WebGUI 8 that's driven by Ajax, which means no more page reloads for editing a page. | 16:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Note, JT's blog post on TBB about this will have nice pictures and more details | 16:55 |
| +perlDreamer | The Asset Icon tool bar is replaced by a dropdown Options menu | 16:56 |
| +perlDreamer | (note, this saves fetching graphics and makes translating easier) | 16:56 |
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| +patspam | (we apologise for this momentary pause, colin appears to be fixing a wg bug) | 17:05 |
| +perlDreamer | indeed! | 17:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm more of a hacker than reporter | 17:07 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI 8 timeline will take... 18 months in development | 17:08 |
| +perlDreamer | check the developer Forum for announcements, specifications | 17:08 |
| +perlDreamer | discussions should take place there | 17:08 |
| +perlDreamer | What happens until then? | 17:08 |
| +perlDreamer | Until WebGUI 8, there will be community driver releases, 7.8, 7.9, 7.10 | 17:09 |
| +perlDreamer | "community driven releases" | 17:09 |
| +perlDreamer | Plain Black won't be introducing new features in those releases | 17:09 |
| +perlDreamer | they'll still do RFE days, but the community will making all new features | 17:09 |
| +perlDreamer | now it's a Q&A time about all this | 17:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd be happy to relay questions | 17:10 |
| +perlDreamer | A question about authentication | 17:10 |
| +perlDreamer | in 8, Authentication will be completely rewritten | 17:11 |
| +perlDreamer | and it will come with WebGUI authentication, LDAP, OpenID, and Facebook (which I think is just another OpenID provider) | 17:11 |
| +perlDreamer | It will also come with Single Sign On between WebGUI sites | 17:12 |
| +perlDreamer | so you can deploy WebGUI on multiple sites and your users will only have to register on 1 site to have access to them all | 17:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Are there plans to add a DAV plugin in WebGUI before version 8? | 17:13 |
| +perlDreamer | "If someone has the time to finish the work that has been started, it can go into WebGUI 7" | 17:14 |
| +perlDreamer | note, WebGUI 7.8 is currently not frozen, so it's open to new features | 17:14 |
| +perlDreamer | This DAV plugin will allow you to mount your WebGUI site as a shared drive. | 17:14 |
| +perlDreamer | so you can edit templates on your desktop | 17:14 |
| +perlDreamer | you can upload files via drag and drop | 17:15 |
| +perlDreamer | JT estimates 3-4 weeks of developer time, and a few weeks of templating work as well. | 17:15 |
| ckotil | yeah, that would be saweet. | 17:16 |
| +perlDreamer | The spec is done, some prototype code is done, we just need someone with time and desire to get it done | 17:16 |
| +perlDreamer | "What are the plans for the Collaboration System"? | 17:16 |
| +perlDreamer | The CS is too powerful and too generic for many cases. It's also slow and hard to use for many cases. | 17:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Over the last couple of years, specific things have been developed to do CS-type things better | 17:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Wiki, Gallery, Story Manager, and the new "Blog" asset which is in development. | 17:17 |
| +perlDreamer | "What about Thingy?" | 17:18 |
| +patspam | everyone should write their IRC names on their name badges :) | 17:19 |
| +perlDreamer | Thingy has a long roadmap, and is currently on step 2 of 8 that are planned. | 17:19 |
| ckotil | nice. | 17:19 |
| +perlDreamer | note, by design and intent, WebGUI 8 will not be like WebGUI 6 | 17:20 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks again to SwiftySite for sponsoring the conference | 17:20 |
| +SynQ | I just wrote my irc name on my badge | 17:21 |
| +perlDreamer | me, too | 17:21 |
| ckotil | I coudlnt make it to WUC. but i just so happen teaching a webgui class to some of my users today. | 17:21 |
| +SynQ | ckotil: you must be the 1 person decrease JT was just talking about | 17:22 |
| +patspam | queue dance party mucis | 17:22 |
| +patspam | s/mucis/music/ | 17:22 |
| ckotil | heh. nah, i've never made it to one. | 17:22 |
| ckotil | never had the balls to ask my boss to pay for it | 17:22 |
| * SynQ mubles, silver gray hair :) | 17:24 | |
| +SynQ | the wrath of /me >:) | 17:24 |
| +perlDreamer | Grey hair is the crown of the wise. | 17:25 |
| +SynQ | in reality I only have a small patch at the back of my head | 17:27 |
| +SynQ | I need to get more offspring to grow that | 17:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I hear that beards are a great way to display silver gray hair. | 17:28 |
| +SynQ | hehe | 17:28 |
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| preaction_ | wow, these internet connections are much nicer | 18:01 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, and there are 5 of them! | 18:01 |
| +perlDreamer | we'll have to let the conference people know how much better it is | 18:01 |
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| +SynQ | I like it too, working internet is very important | 18:11 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rbd02a8c / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Remove debug code. - http://bit.ly/2aDVXS | 18:23 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re1c5d4a / (3 files in 3 dirs): Check for additional bad user profile field names. bug #10941 - http://bit.ly/4oS8XO | 18:23 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rea9e154 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix import Story Archive packages with sub-stories. - http://bit.ly/fCNM2 | 18:23 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r632e1e1 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Remove debug code. - http://bit.ly/3LSz3L | 18:33 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf5b2b6d / (3 files in 3 dirs): Check for additional bad user profile field names. bug #10941 - http://bit.ly/tdDEj | 18:33 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r021b7f8 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix import Story Archive packages with sub-stories. - http://bit.ly/Asnzc | 18:33 |
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| +patspam | SynQ: I just implemented a wgd plugin that checks that the config file has valid json | 19:12 |
| +patspam | Haarg: ping | 19:13 |
| @Haarg | pong | 19:14 |
| +patspam | if your site.conf has invalid json, something like "wgd ls" will swallow the error and report asset not found | 19:14 |
| +patspam | when it lazy loads the session | 19:14 |
| @Haarg | hmm | 19:15 |
| @Haarg | can you post that on the issue tracker? | 19:15 |
| +patspam | sure | 19:15 |
| @Haarg | and how are you specifying the config file? | 19:15 |
| +patspam | WEBGUI_CONFIG | 19:18 |
| +patspam | environment variable | 19:18 |
| +SynQ | patspam: good news | 19:18 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: is smoke up and running? I was wondering if I could peek at a coverage report from it. | 19:26 |
| +patspam | jumploader.com | 19:26 |
| +SynQ | JumpLoader is free. | 19:27 |
| +patspam | "free" but you can't reverse engineer | 19:27 |
| +patspam | or alter | 19:27 |
| +patspam | and i think you have to pay to remove the logo | 19:27 |
| +patspam | No logo version - $100 | 19:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | and it's Java | 19:27 |
| +patspam | Enterprise version (source code) $400 | 19:27 |
| +patspam | yeah, jaaa vaa | 19:28 |
| +SynQ | uh huh | 19:28 |
| +patspam | perlDreamer loves java | 19:28 |
| +SynQ | there must be something that is opensource and works | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | You do not like the current uploader? | 19:28 |
| +SynQ | you mean just the form? | 19:29 |
| +patspam | the wordpress image upload user interface isn't too bad | 19:30 |
| preaction_ | perlDreamer: smoke can't do coverage, not enough RAM | 19:31 |
| +patspam | SynQ: swfupload is the most common flash-based open source multi-file uploader | 19:32 |
| +patspam | but it doesn't have the image interface | 19:32 |
| +SynQ | ah | 19:36 |
| +SynQ | patspam: do you use that anywhere? | 19:36 |
| +patspam | swfupload? | 19:41 |
| +SynQ | uh huh | 19:45 |
| +patspam | no | 19:45 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rcf9df28 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.19-7.8.0.pl : Fix import Story Archive packages with sub-stories. - http://bit.ly/mOgeP | 19:45 |
| +SynQ | perhaps we could look into that | 19:45 |
| +SynQ | for wg8 | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | does it require flash, like the name implies? | 19:46 |
| +patspam | yup | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | does it meet the usability requirements that we've been hearing about? | 19:46 |
| +patspam | usability = fast? | 19:47 |
| +patspam | =p | 19:47 |
| +SynQ | perlDreamer is our consience here | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | usability == snazzy :) | 19:47 |
| +patspam | I haven't used it on a site of my own so I can't really comment | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I figure that since I'm older than everybody it's my responsibility to be responsible. | 19:48 |
| +SynQ | battery low | 19:48 |
| +SynQ | gotta go | 19:48 |
| +patspam | more coffee | 19:48 |
| +patspam | perlDreamer: maybe we can replace mysql with KiokuDB in wg8 | 19:50 |
| +perlDreamer | KiokuDB is the non relational db? | 19:51 |
| * perlDreamer needs to wikipedia that | 19:51 | |
| +patspam | moose-based object graph storage engine | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | persistent objects... | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 19:52 |
| +BartJol | oh, will WG8 be companied by a new wre, sounds like that will be necessary | 19:53 |
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| +patspam | i hope so | 19:54 |
| preaction_ | yes, since memcached will be required | 19:54 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings. | 20:35 |
| SquOnk | Question. | 20:35 |
| SquOnk | Do <tmpl_if name="__first__"> (or __last__ or _odd_, etc.) work as expected? | 20:36 |
| SquOnk | (In WebGUI templates, I mean) | 20:36 |
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| SquOnk | Ideas anyone? | 20:43 |
| JDan | SquOnk: These variables come from HTML::Template | 20:44 |
| JDan | So answare is : Yes | 20:44 |
| SquOnk | JDan: Good | 20:44 |
| SquOnk | There's another weird request I have... | 20:44 |
| SquOnk | ...one usually places ^L() on the main style so the login/logout appears everywhere. | 20:45 |
| SquOnk | The owner of a particular site already has created a separate page for login. | 20:45 |
| SquOnk | And she wants the ^L() macro to work only for logged in sessions. That way, the "logout" link would appear only for logged in sessions. | 20:46 |
| SquOnk | So I'm guessing an "if logged" wrapping ^L() will do the trick. | 20:46 |
| JDan | I understand. just moment. | 20:46 |
| SquOnk | Question is: How do I check for a logged user from> | 20:47 |
| JDan | I look at my works | 20:47 |
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| SquOnk | There's probably a variable for that, but I can't seem to find it. | 20:48 |
| KlausH | ^GroupText("Registered Users","<a href='?op=auth;method=logout'>Logout</a>"); | 20:49 |
| SquOnk | KlausH: What does that do? | 20:49 |
| SquOnk | KlausH: Ah! Thanks! | 20:51 |
| KlausH | this example of grouptext macro displays to all members of group "Registerd Users" the second part which is the link to log out . | 20:51 |
| SquOnk | KlausH: Just figured it out. Thank you! | 20:51 |
| SquOnk | KlausH: That would work, sure. | 20:53 |
| KlausH | on most sites I also use a separate login page with no link to. You can add the AdminToggle() Macro to the page style, then you have admin on/off on each page. will display only when logged in | 20:54 |
| SquOnk | KlausH: That's the idea. | 20:54 |
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| SquOnk | Aside from that solution, is there a variable to find out if the current session belongs to a registered user? | 20:54 |
| JDan | My solution is another. I use template for ^L and inside template I use <tmpl_if user.isVisitor> | 20:54 |
| SquOnk | Just to have the <tmpl_if registered>^L();</tmpl_if> | 20:55 |
| SquOnk | JDan: Ah, just answered my question :-) | 20:55 |
| JDan | In my opinion is more flexible for webmastering | 20:55 |
| SquOnk | JDan: So you change ^L's template, right? You leave ^L in the Style Template. | 21:01 |
| +BartJol | that is a good option | 21:01 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: Is there a way to find that out _outside_ of ^L()'s template. | 21:02 |
| +BartJol | works better than the grouptext macro | 21:02 |
| JDan | Yes. I make special template for ^L | 21:02 |
| +BartJol | well, not as far as I know | 21:02 |
| +BartJol | because the visitor is a legitimate user | 21:02 |
| JDan | The better way is collecting templates at one folder for each style | 21:02 |
| +BartJol | and is logged in | 21:02 |
| +BartJol | more people have had problems with that | 21:03 |
| +BartJol | what do you want to do? | 21:04 |
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| SquOnk | BartJol: This customer has setup a separate login page. They don't want the login box showing up everywhere. | 21:06 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: But they want the logout link to show everywhere once the user has registered. | 21:06 |
| +BartJol | ah | 21:06 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: I thought of wrapping ^L() with a tmpl_if, but that would need a variable saying whether or not this is a registered user. | 21:07 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: Now, is there such a variable? | 21:07 |
| +BartJol | nope | 21:07 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: That's what I tought after looking around and not finding anything obvious... | 21:07 |
| +BartJol | you can just make a ^L(); template | 21:08 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: That's what I will suggest. | 21:08 |
| +BartJol | that would be the designed way to go | 21:08 |
| JDan | BartJol: Maybe you know is there any method for searching asset by it's ID at Assats Tree? | 21:08 |
| +BartJol | it is easy to make | 21:08 |
| +BartJol | so if your looking in the assetmangers search function?\ | 21:09 |
| +BartJol | normally I probably would use the db when I have access | 21:09 |
| JDan | SquOnk: Go to Asset Tree, make new folder and create new Template by cliking on left menu | 21:09 |
| +BartJol | I'll have a look | 21:09 |
| SquOnk | JDan: I know how to do that, thanks! | 21:09 |
| +BartJol | or do you mean the search asset? | 21:10 |
| JDan | BartJol: I think abut quick way. Not by sql query | 21:10 |
| JDan | For example, in Asset Tree I can search. But not by ID | 21:11 |
| +BartJol | well sql is quick ;) | 21:11 |
| JDan | Yes, I know | 21:11 |
| +BartJol | I see | 21:11 |
| JDan | But not for webmasters | 21:11 |
| +BartJol | sorry for my bad joke | 21:11 |
| JDan | I can manager, nor my webmasters | 21:11 |
| JDan | I can manage | 21:12 |
| +BartJol | doing research at the wuc | 21:12 |
| +BartJol | doug is looking | 21:12 |
| +BartJol | JDan: you can do it by typing assetid: in front of your assetId | 21:14 |
| +BartJol | in the search fielsd | 21:14 |
| +BartJol | didn't know that, learned something, cool | 21:14 |
| JDan | yes, It's too simple for my mind | 21:15 |
| +BartJol | ? | 21:15 |
| +BartJol | it is stuff you just have to know | 21:15 |
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| JDan | Now, I understand. It's simple. I can use http://www.mysite/root/import/workservice/login_box?op=assetManager;assitid=ID | 21:18 |
| +BartJol | ah, well, if it works is good | 21:18 |
| +BartJol | not what I meant, but if that is the url you're getting, it apparently works | 21:19 |
| JDan | yeh, url have to be correct | 21:20 |
| JDan | so, it's not simple | 21:20 |
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| +BartJol | JDan: the easy option is to click search in the assetmanager (but people have to be able to enter that) | 21:32 |
| JDan | BartJol: Search in the AsstManager doesn't search by assetId | 21:33 |
| JDan | Or, my WebGUI wokrs in other way ;-) | 21:34 |
| +BartJol | it does when you search for assetid: in front of your actual ID | 21:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | that is a new feature, though, BartJol | 21:35 |
| +BartJol | ah | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | it may not be in 7.6 | 21:35 |
| +BartJol | doug just told me | 21:36 |
| +BartJol | but not that it was nes | 21:36 |
| +BartJol | new | 21:36 |
| JDan | it's good news for us | 21:36 |
| +BartJol | well, it is good if your searching for assets which is referred to by their assetId, like templates of macros | 21:37 |
| +perlDreamer | this is in 7.7 and .8 | 21:37 |
| preaction_ | yeah, it's brand-new. steve opal added it | 21:40 |
| preaction_ | i want to add more search features like that, since google does it and it works well for them | 21:41 |
| preaction_ | the site:mysite.com thing, for example | 21:41 |
| preaction_ | it'd be nice to say, for example: namespace:Gallery/View | 21:42 |
| +BartJol | well, you already can select a namespace | 21:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | Ladies and gentlemen and bots, I give you the 2009 CotY, patspam | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Give him a big hand | 21:49 |
| preaction_ | yeah, namespace is part of the keywords for a template i believe | 21:49 |
| * BartJol is clapping | 21:49 | |
| +perlDreamer | no you're not. I can see you. | 21:50 |
| @bopbop | I'm holding up a big foam hand with patspam written on it | 21:50 |
| @bopbop | but I'm in the next room | 21:50 |
| +BartJol | from that far in the back? | 21:50 |
| @bopbop | so nobody knows why | 21:50 |
| * BartJol is clapping mentally | 21:50 | |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: CotY is Colin of the Year, right? | 22:01 |
| * perlDreamer is embarassed | 22:02 | |
| +BartJol | you actually do look embarassed a bit | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | you can see that, all the way from the front? | 22:03 |
| +BartJol | sure, I have a good glasses maker | 22:03 |
| +BartJol | with mood sensores | 22:04 |
| +SynQ | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10958 | 22:11 |
| +BartJol | ooh | 22:12 |
| +SynQ | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m48d6de2 | 22:14 |
| +SynQ | bart, you should be able to implement that in 10 minutes ;) | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | very nice payment skeleton | 22:15 |
| +BartJol | well, I am paying attention, this presentation is distracting | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be good to have that in the core | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | is Joeri amenable? | 22:15 |
| +patspam | he agrees, just needs comments added | 22:16 |
| +perlDreamer | should be called something like _payment.skeleton | 22:16 |
| +perlDreamer | (oh, and POD) | 22:16 |
| +patspam | koen is rfeing it now | 22:16 |
| +perlDreamer | no need | 22:16 |
| +perlDreamer | that can go right in | 22:16 |
| +perlDreamer | it is bug-esque | 22:16 |
| +perlDreamer | i18n changes are bugs | 22:17 |
| +perlDreamer | missing POD is a bug | 22:17 |
| +SynQ | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10959 | 22:17 |
| +perlDreamer | missing documentation is a bug | 22:17 |
| +perlDreamer | and code examples are in there too | 22:17 |
| +SynQ | bug-esque | 22:17 |
| +perlDreamer | "like a bug" | 22:17 |
| +perlDreamer | romanesque | 22:18 |
| +perlDreamer | like a roman | 22:18 |
| +perlDreamer | statuesque | 22:18 |
| +perlDreamer | like a statue | 22:18 |
| +perlDreamer | burlesque | 22:18 |
| +perlDreamer | like a burle | 22:18 |
| @bopbop | burle? | 22:18 |
| +BartJol | plesk, like pl | 22:19 |
| @bopbop | I think you made that one up | 22:19 |
| +BartJol | lika a pl | 22:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I think I did too | 22:19 |
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| @bopbop | :) | 22:19 |
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| hansw | hi all | 22:37 |
| +BartJol | hi hansw | 22:37 |
| hansw | hmm, to busy to toy with webgui | 22:37 |
| hansw | buggers | 22:37 |
| hansw | just a short question, I read webgui is supported by debian these days, is that true? | 22:39 |
| +BartJol | yea, it become a package | 22:39 |
| hansw | cool | 22:39 |
| hansw | lenny? | 22:39 |
| +BartJol | not sure in which debian | 22:39 |
| preaction_ | yeah, it's in testing right now (sid) | 22:39 |
| hansw | great, good news | 22:39 |
| preaction_ | it didn't make it into lenny afaik, but lenny+1 i think. | 22:39 |
| hansw | that's ok by me | 22:39 |
| preaction_ | we've adjusted webgui's release to help the debian package maintainer out a bit | 22:40 |
| hansw | I need to make some time to test it | 22:40 |
| hansw | getting it in debian will save me a lot of time | 22:41 |
| hansw | I know, I'm lazy | 22:42 |
| +BartJol | most people are :) | 22:42 |
| hansw | they should be :-) | 22:42 |
| hansw | and I made more resources available today, so I can test another vm using 2 GB of memory | 22:43 |
| hansw | we had servers using 1 GB that can do it with 256 MB of memory | 22:44 |
| hansw | just by switching from rcp to rsync :-) | 22:44 |
| hansw | if only there was a scorm player that would work on webgui, that would be a big boost in the educational world | 22:46 |
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| +BartJol | hansw: if there is a good API for such a player, you could implement it as an asset | 22:51 |
| +BartJol | takes some work | 22:52 |
| +patspam | Haarg: boing | 22:53 |
| @Haarg | ? | 22:53 |
| +patspam | are you planning on turning addsite into a wgd plugin? | 22:54 |
| @Haarg | i've considered it | 22:54 |
| +patspam | diona is talking about how they copy a "prototype" site to create new sites | 22:55 |
| +SynQ | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10960 | 22:57 |
| +patspam | just think, once i move to the US timezone i can bug you with random wgd plugin ideas all day.. | 22:57 |
| +SynQ | that rfe should be assigned to me | 22:58 |
| hansw | BartJol, there is | 22:58 |
| +SynQ | no perldreamer around? | 22:58 |
| +BartJol | well, there you go | 22:58 |
| hansw | BartJol, but i'm not a real perl coder, download spamikaze and you will see :-) | 22:59 |
| sbaur | I just gave 10960 some karma - i like that idea a lot | 22:59 |
| hansw | BartJol, but I do know that if there was such a player that would perform well then there would be companies interested | 23:01 |
| +SynQ | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10961 | 23:01 |
| hansw | 2 of them in the netherlands | 23:01 |
| +patspam | how is that different from backup.pl? | 23:02 |
| hansw | 1 in italy and the usa | 23:02 |
| +BartJol | well, I think oqapi should be able to implment that | 23:02 |
| +SynQ | patspam: it probably is the same as backup.pl only then for one site | 23:02 |
| +SynQ | and backup.pl is for automatically scheduled stuff | 23:03 |
| +SynQ | the backup.pl script is really basic | 23:03 |
| +BartJol | they implement a lot of stuff into webgui | 23:03 |
| +BartJol | hansw: http://www.oqapi.nl/contact | 23:04 |
| +BartJol | it won't be free | 23:04 |
| hansw | BartJol, that is not a real problem, they spend 1.4 years for a customer, it's still not working | 23:06 |
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| hansw | but it might be complex for people that do not understand how it is working | 23:06 |
| +BartJol | well I don't know where it is going wrong | 23:07 |
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| +BartJol | but, as I said you might discuss it with oqapi | 23:07 |
| +BartJol | if people have problems for more than a year, me neither will be able to solve that in an hour | 23:08 |
| +BartJol | :) | 23:08 |
| +BartJol | patspam: that looks like Delft | 23:08 |
| +patspam | no street view? | 23:08 |
| +BartJol | just the map | 23:09 |
| +patspam | i want to see you guys through the window | 23:09 |
| hansw | BartJol, I am not expecting you will :-) | 23:09 |
| +BartJol | you don't | 23:09 |
| +SynQ | thanks sbaur | 23:09 |
| +BartJol | I mean you woouldn't | 23:09 |
| +BartJol | we have a naked working code | 23:09 |
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| +SynQ | patspam has started his talk | 23:33 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r6da85b8 / (8 files in 6 dirs): add #455: Featured page in wiki - http://bit.ly/1UmE7P | 00:00 |
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| +SynQ | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10965 | 00:23 |
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| JDanPl | Hi. How to activate custom workflow in Scheduler? I made own workflow and configured it in Workflow Manager. Workflow is enable. | 12:30 |
| JDanPl | But when I try create new task I can't see this workflow | 12:32 |
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| ckotil | JDanPl: did you add your custom workflow activity to your webgui config? | 17:02 |
| JDanPl | Hi BartJol. I solved problem with Spectre communication error | 17:02 |
| JDanPl | ckotil: Yes, | 17:02 |
| +BartJol | JDanPl: cool | 17:02 |
| JDanPl | JDanPl: finally problem was that I didn't set proper group in config | 17:03 |
| +BartJol | ah | 17:03 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * rf40992f / (etc/.gitignore sbin/.gitignore): adding some ignored files - http://bit.ly/ajpgi | 17:03 |
| +BartJol | JDanPl: might be usefull to put the solution in the forum thread | 17:04 |
| JDanPl | BartJol Specre error disappeared when I added domain to /etc/hosts. Strange. I thought DNS servce is enough | 17:05 |
| JDanPl | BartJol: ok, I'll make answare to my posts | 17:05 |
| +BartJol | well, since you're using the local IP, that request does not get a hostname | 17:05 |
| +BartJol | dns is skipped probably, I guess | 17:06 |
| JDanPl | ok, I write last posts and ... sorry, but I go to my vacation | 17:07 |
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| +BartJol | have fun! | 17:09 |
| JDanPl | Sun, strong wind, and windsurfing! | 17:10 |
| JDanPl | Eh | 17:10 |
| +BartJol | sounds good | 17:10 |
| +SynQ | good morning | 17:10 |
| +SynQ | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10968 | 17:11 |
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| +SynQ | morning kristi | 17:11 |
| @kristi | morning Koen! | 17:11 |
| +SynQ | bopbopbopbopbop | 17:11 |
| @kristi | :) | 17:11 |
| +SynQ | I am going to make you happy today :) | 17:11 |
| @kristi | really.... do I dare ask why? | 17:11 |
| +SynQ | I'll say one word: pictures! | 17:12 |
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| @bopbop | yeah!!! that will make me happy :) :) | 17:12 |
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| patspam1 | bopbop = ? | 18:08 |
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| +patspam | Haarg: good morning | 18:10 |
| @Haarg | morning | 18:10 |
| @bopbop | patspam: bopbop=kristi | 18:11 |
| +patspam | ahhh! | 18:12 |
| +patspam | hello! | 18:12 |
| +patspam | :) | 18:12 |
| @bopbop | hi there :) | 18:12 |
| +patspam | those survey screenshots were from an older version of wg yeah? | 18:12 |
| @bopbop | yes | 18:12 |
| @bopbop | 7.6 | 18:12 |
| +patspam | phew.. i was having flashbacks =p | 18:13 |
| @bopbop | we're working on catching up to you | 18:13 |
| +patspam | the new edit survey dialogs are hopefully more intuitive to the end user | 18:13 |
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| +patspam | "recoded value" is now "score" etc.. | 18:13 |
| +patspam | s/recoded/recorded/ | 18:14 |
| @bopbop | I'll be looking at it more closely in the next couple of weeks... you'll probably hear from me as I go through it | 18:14 |
| +patspam | great | 18:14 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rebffc80 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration/Newsletter.pm : Fix a POD typo in the Newsletter CS. - http://bit.ly/2POW1d | 18:21 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r633f10d / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Remove debug code. - http://bit.ly/B226g | 18:21 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb090f92 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the Newsletter template. Hide subscribe link if used in a CS, and change the namespace. - http://bit.ly/JxMkz | 18:21 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r82ca6dc / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.19-7.7.20.pl : Fix import Story Archive packages with sub-stories. - http://bit.ly/10BIJ7 | 18:21 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re99917e / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration/Newsletter.pm : Fix a POD typo in the Newsletter CS. - http://bit.ly/10s15l | 18:21 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rbf8f37e / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the Newsletter template. Hide subscribe link if used in a CS, and change the namespace. - http://bit.ly/GPsm7 | 18:21 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * raba4cb6 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move upgrade package to correct location. - http://bit.ly/4qUaUi | 18:22 |
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| preaction_ | why aren't more designers in Arjan's talk? this is good stuff here | 21:50 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r0a293f7 / lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/NotifyAboutThing.pm : remove dead code from NotifyAboutThing. - http://bit.ly/3bGnkQ | 22:38 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r785523f / lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/NotifyAboutThing.pm : remove dead code from NotifyAboutThing. - http://bit.ly/wvOT | 22:38 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r229aaaa / lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/SendNewsletters.pm : Fix POD, remove dead code, use correct TTL in SendNewsletters. - http://bit.ly/14Ak4W | 22:57 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra716828 / lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/SendNewsletters.pm : Fix POD, remove dead code, use correct TTL in SendNewsletters. - http://bit.ly/1rwMHN | 22:58 |
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| preaction_ | do we have a "WebGUI Design Guidelines"? if not we need one | 23:46 |
| preaction_ | the drop-down box for "What Next?" in certain places is retarded, it should be a series of buttons | 23:46 |
| preaction_ | and moving fields up/dn in a dataform is completely borked... | 23:52 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 01:41 |
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| mducharme | when is there a 7.7.20 release | 01:57 |
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| zambaroo | hey guys | 06:16 |
| preaction_ | hi | 06:16 |
| zambaroo | during an installation of the latest stable release im running into an issue with mysql driver. this is on centos5. | 06:17 |
| zambaroo | Can't load '/data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/i686-linux/auto/DBD/mysql/mysql.so' for module DBD::mysql: | 06:17 |
| preaction_ | oh, do "setenforce 0" and try again | 06:17 |
| zambaroo | think its selinux? | 06:18 |
| preaction_ | that's what someone else tried and it worked | 06:19 |
| zambaroo | yes it is | 06:19 |
| zambaroo | k, different error now. | 06:19 |
| zambaroo | mkay | 06:19 |
| zambaroo | thats permissions | 06:19 |
| zambaroo | thanks! | 06:19 |
| preaction_ | np | 06:19 |
| zambaroo | trying to use this thing with an external database | 06:27 |
| zambaroo | running into some issues though | 06:27 |
| zambaroo | Site could not be created because MySQL appears to be down. at sbin/wreconsole.pl line 234 | 06:28 |
| zambaroo | there's a check create sanity there (on that line) | 06:29 |
| zambaroo | is there like a log facility for the console? | 06:29 |
| zambaroo | because the db is up and running | 06:30 |
| zambaroo | sucky :/ | 06:34 |
| zambaroo | hrm... my.cnf | 06:56 |
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| daviddelikat | preaction: good morning | 16:57 |
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| daviddelikat | preaction: good morning | 17:22 |
| preaction_ | morning | 17:22 |
| daviddelikat | I'm working on the Urls for Users request | 17:22 |
| daviddelikat | and I was wondering if you want me to put a target in the anchor tag so that it does not over write the helpdesk page when the user clicks | 17:23 |
| daviddelikat | on a user nema | 17:23 |
| daviddelikat | s/nema/name/ | 17:23 |
| preaction_ | no need, that's what ctrl+click is for | 17:24 |
| daviddelikat | sounds good | 17:24 |
| daviddelikat | I'm almost doen with the template changes | 17:24 |
| daviddelikat | should be pushing code in 15-20 min | 17:24 |
| preaction_ | sweet | 17:24 |
| daviddelikat | btw: there is no status changes by variable, but there is a resolved by variable | 17:25 |
| +patspam | SynQ: ping | 17:25 |
| preaction_ | daviddelikat: in the ticket history? there's a username there | 17:26 |
| daviddelikat | yes there is in ticket history | 17:26 |
| daviddelikat | it may take a bit longer to get ticket history changed | 17:26 |
| preaction_ | np | 17:26 |
| daviddelikat | I did do the comments though | 17:27 |
| daviddelikat | that was easy | 17:27 |
| daviddelikat | is there a common function to create anchor tags in WG session or somewhere? | 17:31 |
| preaction_ | no, you should just give the URL, no tag | 17:31 |
| daviddelikat | when I do the ajax change I'm creating the whole anchor tag to send back to the browser, that was I don't have to mess around with looking for the anchor element and change it... | 17:32 |
| preaction_ | ah, but still no, you'll have to do it by hand | 17:33 |
| daviddelikat | k thanks | 17:33 |
| preaction_ | gotta go get some breakfast, still in madison | 17:34 |
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| +patspam | any dutch folk still around? | 17:44 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: daviddelikat master * r7fff83f / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.19-7.8.0.pl : fixed the name of an upgrade function, now the upgrade works - http://bit.ly/2tYqxU | 21:13 |
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| * patspam is hanging out at madison airport waiting for a flight | 22:00 | |
| +patspam | at least the chairs here are comfy | 22:00 |
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| daviddelikat | there are many URL's in the dev wiki that don't work any more... | 01:36 |
| * SDuensin noticed that. | 01:38 | |
| SDuensin | I like the appearance of the new WebGUI site, but functionally, it blows. No offense to anyone who worked on it. | 01:38 |
| daviddelikat | I really like the imensly long and extremely repetative titles on the pages with titles that are repetative and very long. | 01:39 |
| daviddelikat | apparently lit helps with search engines | 01:40 |
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| daviddelikat | I once saw a 'standard' to be used in naming i18n fields but now i can't find it... | 01:43 |
| daviddelikat | any body seen it? | 01:43 |
| SDuensin | nada | 01:43 |
| * SDuensin is close to doing something Very Bad... Installing Alfresco. :-( | 01:44 | |
| daviddelikat | whats alfresco? | 01:45 |
| @Haarg | there are plans to improve the state of the wikis on webgui.org. we talked about it a bunch at the hackathon | 01:45 |
| SDuensin | Haarg - I need document management (aka, WGFS). | 01:46 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 05:04 |
| SDuensin | Howdy | 05:05 |
| SquOnk | SDuensin: I've been trying to checkout the 7.7 branch from SVN, but haven't been able to? | 05:06 |
| SquOnk | That wasn't a question but a statement ... | 05:06 |
| SquOnk | ...it's still in SVN, right? | 05:06 |
| SDuensin | Uh. Might be in GIT now. Not sure. | 05:06 |
| SquOnk | Ah, that would explain my epic failure at checking it out <g> | 05:07 |
| SquOnk | Anyone care to give the appropiate incantation to get the GIT repo? | 05:10 |
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| SquOnk | I'm going to start with | 05:16 |
| SquOnk | git clone git://github.com/plainblack/webgui.git | 05:16 |
| SquOnk | Is that it? | 05:16 |
| * SDuensin shrugs | 05:17 | |
| SquOnk | Where's perlDreamer when you need him? ;-) | 05:17 |
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| carogray1 | daviddelikat1: haha | 03:31 |
| daviddelikat1 | hi I was wondering what 1 was about? | 03:31 |
| carogray1 | it was a mistake. When the kids at home turn my computer on it automatically logs into all my instant messaging programs and for aol I am supposed to type in 1 to log off all other instances where the IM programming is running. | 03:32 |
| carogray1 | by mistake I typed 1 into the WebGUI chat window instead of the aol window | 03:33 |
| carogray1 | I am on the bus coming home from WUC09 - were you there? | 03:33 |
| daviddelikat1 | i see | 03:33 |
| daviddelikat1 | in my basement | 03:33 |
| daviddelikat1 | is the bus crowded? | 03:33 |
| carogray1 | not too bad - you are in your basement now, or were you attending WUC09 from your basement? | 03:34 |
| daviddelikat1 | I'm workign in my basement | 03:34 |
| daviddelikat1 | thats where my office is | 03:34 |
| daviddelikat1 | I did not make it to much of WUC | 03:34 |
| daviddelikat1 | just the hackathon for a couple of hours | 03:35 |
| carogray1 | not to much of WUC eh? so you are in Madison then? I did not make it to the hackathon and was sorely disappointed | 03:35 |
| carogray1 | however in the end many kind WG guru types gave me loads of help so it worked out ok in the end. | 03:35 |
| carogray1 | sorry to have missed you | 03:35 |
| daviddelikat1 | I liv ein madison yes. couldn't afford to go | 03:36 |
| carogray1 | what a drag - I hate that...too bad you couldn't have lurked in the hallways, sabotaged people in the lobby was there anything in particular you were interested in learning about? | 03:36 |
| daviddelikat1 | hopefully next year i will have more work and a better schedule so I can got the whole thing... | 03:37 |
| daviddelikat1 | one of my main goals was to meet people | 03:37 |
| daviddelikat1 | which I did some at the hackathon | 03:37 |
| daviddelikat1 | but I didn't spend much time there as I would have liked | 03:38 |
| carogray1 | oh that really is a shame - still I guess the most important people to meet were probably all at the hackathon, | 03:38 |
| daviddelikat1 | didn't even pull out a laptop... | 03:38 |
| carogray1 | what did you manage to do? | 03:38 |
| daviddelikat1 | not necessarily, you weren't there... | 03:38 |
| daviddelikat1 | just talked to people | 03:38 |
| carogray1 | hah | 03:38 |
| daviddelikat1 | 'course they wwere having network issues... | 03:39 |
| daviddelikat1 | I got my Palm PC connected for a little while... | 03:39 |
| carogray1 | I am mostly trying to learn I really don't really have anything to offer> Maybe one day | 03:39 |
| daviddelikat1 | so that was fun | 03:39 |
| carogray1 | hmm if you are in Madison - do you already see the PB people anyhow? or are you on your own? | 03:40 |
| daviddelikat1 | everyone has something to offer, just have to identify it | 03:40 |
| carogray1 | or perhaps you wanted to see all the Dutch and North Carolina people? | 03:40 |
| daviddelikat1 | yes I see them about once a month | 03:40 |
| daviddelikat1 | and Oregon | 03:40 |
| carogray1 | oh yes, PerlDreamer right? | 03:41 |
| carogray1 | He is one of the nicest people I have ever met! | 03:41 |
| daviddelikat1 | he's shorter than I expected | 03:41 |
| carogray1 | yep | 03:41 |
| daviddelikat1 | that happend to me a lot though, I'm 6'2" | 03:42 |
| daviddelikat1 | but then there are lots of people taller than me nowadays | 03:42 |
| carogray1 | I thought he was going to stay longer and compete in the ironman what with all his always leavig the chat room to go to the gym and run etc | 03:42 |
| carogray1 | I am short too. 5 almost 3" | 03:42 |
| daviddelikat1 | thats right that was today wasn't it | 03:42 |
| carogray1 | I think it was yesterday not sure though | 03:43 |
| daviddelikat1 | yeah I can't keep track... | 03:43 |
| daviddelikat1 | I'm going to get back to work, thanks for chatting | 03:43 |
| carogray1 | okey doke will probably miss you next year, but it was nice chatting | 03:44 |
| daviddelikat1 | enjoy the buss, I haven't ridden on one in a while | 03:44 |
| daviddelikat1 | I kinda like it if they aren'yt too crowded | 03:44 |
| carogray1 | this is my regular commuter bus - New Hampshire to Boston.. will lose Internet connection soon, but that may be a relief, wishing you a productive evening bye | 03:45 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0b1deab / lib/WebGUI/AssetMetaData.pm : Refactor getMetaDataFields to use WebGUI::SQL methods. - http://bit.ly/217QTS | 05:34 |
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| CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r001347e / lib/WGDev/Command.pm : fix two typos in WGDev::Command - http://bit.ly/ir15Y | 06:19 |
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| elnino | how was wuc? | 06:56 |
| elnino | is there a way to sort the forums alphabetically in a message board? | 06:57 |
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| +BartJol | goodmorning | 16:23 |
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| +danny_mk | good day everyone | 16:28 |
| +BartJol | hi | 16:29 |
| +danny_mk | I am still having the same problem upgrading from 6.35 -> 7.19, it seems I am going to have to breakdown and install using WRE | 16:29 |
| +danny_mk | nice meeting you guys at the conference :-) | 16:30 |
| +BartJol | 7.1.9? | 16:30 |
| +danny_mk | 7.7.19 stable | 16:31 |
| +danny_mk | sorry | 16:31 |
| +BartJol | ah | 16:31 |
| +BartJol | ah, so also 7.6.35 probably | 16:31 |
| +danny_mk | no | 16:33 |
| +BartJol | oh | 16:34 |
| +BartJol | there should be some docs on that | 16:34 |
| +danny_mk | I am currenty running 7.6.35 | 16:36 |
| +danny_mk | no problem updating to that one | 16:36 |
| +BartJol | so from 6.35 /6.99 to 7.6.35 is going ok? | 16:38 |
| +danny_mk | yup | 16:38 |
| +BartJol | any idea what is breaking? | 16:38 |
| +BartJol | a lot of running testenvironment? | 16:39 |
| +danny_mk | check out: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d33752e99 | 16:39 |
| +BartJol | mmm in my version (7.7.18) line 312 says something about starting a workflow | 16:41 |
| +BartJol | are you going directly from 7.6 to 7.7 series? | 16:42 |
| +BartJol | I mean directly to latest 7.7 | 16:43 |
| +danny_mk | Yup, yes | 16:43 |
| +danny_mk | it should work OK, says so in the gotchas | 16:43 |
| +BartJol | just checked :) | 16:44 |
| +BartJol | in the beginning of 7.7, the upgrade to the first of the branch was necessary | 16:45 |
| +danny_mk | hmmm... | 16:46 |
| +BartJol | it seems that would not be necessary at this moment | 16:46 |
| +BartJol | small toilet break brb | 16:47 |
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| +BartJol | but that error does not sound to bad in a way | 16:51 |
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| +danny_mk | you know, the weird thing is that I can upgrade to 7.7.18 no problem | 16:53 |
| +BartJol | mmm | 16:54 |
| +BartJol | no rss related stuff in the changelog either | 16:55 |
| +danny_mk | that is the thing, if I had at least a clue of where it is failing I could upgrade. However, this problem does not produce any log errors that I can see | 16:57 |
| +BartJol | ah, that is earlier | 16:57 |
| +danny_mk | that is why I may have to breakdown and install using wre | 16:59 |
| +BartJol | isn't there a cpan module needed for that RssFeed? | 17:00 |
| +BartJol | do you have custom assets using Rss features | 17:01 |
| +BartJol | I see some stuff in the 7.7.2 gotcha | 17:01 |
| +danny_mk | no, no custom assets running Rss features | 17:03 |
| +BartJol | ok, well that leaves out that | 17:04 |
| +BartJol | there are some modules requested in the 7.7 series | 17:04 |
| +BartJol | all installed? XML::FeedPP sounds a bit related | 17:05 |
| +danny_mk | let me check | 17:05 |
| +danny_mk | yup, that is installed | 17:06 |
| +danny_mk | XML::FeedPP is up to date (0.40) | 17:07 |
| +BartJol | mmm | 17:11 |
| +danny_mk | alright, I am going the upgrade 1 version at a time route | 17:12 |
| +danny_mk | from 7.6.35 | 17:12 |
| +danny_mk | maybe I missed something | 17:12 |
| +BartJol | is there a 7.6.35 to 7.7.0 upgrade script then? | 17:13 |
| +BartJol | I don't believe there is | 17:14 |
| +BartJol | so via downgrading to the appropiate 7.6 version will be painfull | 17:15 |
| +danny_mk | I am starting from the beggining, 7.6.35....7.7.19 | 17:15 |
| +BartJol | that is 1 script | 17:16 |
| +BartJol | oh, you're commenting out the sub stuff in there | 17:17 |
| +danny_mk | hmmmm.... got error | 17:17 |
| +BartJol | strange my script says 7.7.17 as toVersion | 17:19 |
| +danny_mk | WTF??? | 17:19 |
| +danny_mk | alright, I have bigger issues here. I will get back to you when I am succesful | 17:19 |
| +BartJol | ok, good luck | 17:19 |
| +danny_mk | thank you. | 17:20 |
| +BartJol | ah, and I read it wrong | 17:21 |
| +BartJol | 7.7.17 is correct | 17:21 |
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| +BartJol | hey tavisto, arrived savely in michigan? | 17:33 |
| +BartJol | apparently you did | 17:34 |
| @tavisto | hey bartjol, yep sure did. Ferry ride was very nice with yesterday's weather | 17:34 |
| +BartJol | can imagine | 17:34 |
| @tavisto | how was your flight? | 17:34 |
| +BartJol | ok, but did not get enough sleep | 17:34 |
| +BartJol | and I got a free upgrade to economy plus | 17:35 |
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| +BartJol | since I haven't got a creditcard and they did not accept cash or debet cards | 17:35 |
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| CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * rf9c3658 / (lib/WGDev.pm t/01_WGDev.t t/03_WGDev-Command.t): | 18:09 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: load config file immediately when set | 18:09 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: This allows us to detect errors in the file and reject it. - http://bit.ly/EBSa4 | 18:09 |
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| +BartJol | Haarg: should I test the reaction of a "new" function when no class or session is given to it? | 18:22 |
| @Haarg | no, that isn't really needed | 18:23 |
| +BartJol | ok | 18:23 |
| +BartJol | that is relief | 18:23 |
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| +BartJol | well, I believe I finished testing and pod of all my code | 19:36 |
| +BartJol | I suppose I should make a github account then | 19:37 |
| @preaction | yup | 19:49 |
| +BartJol | installing git now | 19:50 |
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| +BartJol | danny_mk: did you manage the upgrade? | 21:31 |
| +danny_mk | I was successful at work but not on my home server, I will have to do that tonight using the WRE. I should be going that route anyway. | 21:32 |
| +BartJol | ok, cool that it worked on 1 side | 21:35 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: hao master * ra48b16d / (5 files in 5 dirs): Fixed #10967: Using a round bracket (parenthesis) in a macro. Unbalanced parentheses can now be escaped in macro calls using the backslash character. - http://bit.ly/qppWy | 22:33 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: hao master * r5a43e24 / (8 files in 6 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/UHGk9 | 22:33 |
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| @preaction | anyone know if there's a way to create a profile field that's only editable by Admins? | 22:54 |
| @preaction | and anybody know why the new user profile system wasn't designed for Admins to edit profiles too? | 22:55 |
| @Haarg | do you think it's worth adding an extra parameter to buildHashRef or making a new method for a 31% speedup? | 22:59 |
| @Haarg | can't you just make the field not editable? admins can always edit them though the admin panel. | 23:00 |
| @preaction | yeah, i can, but this is to improve our processes, not create more work | 23:05 |
| @preaction | Haarg: why can't the speedup be the default? what breaks? | 23:05 |
| @Haarg | i'm going to add a speedup that doesn't change the results at all | 23:05 |
| @Haarg | but i can add another 30% if it only works for 2 column selects | 23:06 |
| @preaction | is there a method with that exact functionality in DBI? | 23:06 |
| @preaction | if so, use the DBI name for it | 23:06 |
| @preaction | i'd like to see WebGUI::SQL gone permanently | 23:06 |
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| @Haarg | not the exact function | 23:07 |
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| @preaction | and then no way to detect what's happening before it needs to happen, i take it? | 23:08 |
| @Haarg | basically, %hash = @{ $dbh->selectcol_arrayref($sql, { Columns => [1,2] } @$params) } | 23:08 |
| @Haarg | not without parsing the sql | 23:08 |
| @Haarg | missed a comma in that | 23:08 |
| @preaction | i'd say make a new method then, because buildHash/buildHashRef may go away, but your method may not | 23:10 |
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| @preaction | selectcol_keyvalue maybe? | 23:10 |
| @preaction | er.. selectall_keyvalue rather, that's more DBI-like | 23:10 |
| @preaction | er.. damn, it uses underscores, we can't do that... | 23:11 |
| @preaction | well, is JT there with you? might want to ask him if we can name things like DBI does for ease of adoption | 23:12 |
| @Haarg | he's not | 23:12 |
| @Haarg | and i'm going to guess the answer is no | 23:12 |
| @Haarg | if we want to keep with ::SQL style, i was thinking buildSimpleHashRef | 23:12 |
| @Haarg | mainly because i can't think of anything better | 23:12 |
| @preaction | perhaps we should ask, and CC me on the e-mail and say it comes from both of us. there's nothing WebGUI::SQL does that can't be done better by other things now, and everybody does them without WebGUI::SQL these days anyway | 23:13 |
| @preaction | hell, is buildCSV even used in Core anymore? | 23:14 |
| @preaction | but mainly, if we have the power in 8.0, we need to use it | 23:14 |
| @preaction | god, the argument will probably devolve into "we aren't rewriting all of webgui" for just this one simple addition... | 23:14 |
| @preaction | but 30% speedup, i mean seriously, you can't buy that | 23:15 |
| @preaction | and in WebGUI::SQL, used by everything everywhere | 23:15 |
| @Haarg | buildHashRef is pretty slow too | 23:15 |
| @Haarg | last time i profiled stuff it was the largest percent of a page view to retrieve settings | 23:15 |
| @Haarg | for a simple page for visitor | 23:16 |
| @preaction | good christ | 23:16 |
| @preaction | that's horrible | 23:16 |
| @Haarg | i actually think WebGUI::SQL could be useful but most of what it does right now is rather poor | 23:18 |
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| @preaction | useful as a subclass of DBI maybe? | 23:19 |
| @preaction | the point being that Perl people know DBI, there are entire books written on it | 23:19 |
| @Haarg | i'm thinking i may just put in my simple optimization that doesn't change the results and use something better for settings | 23:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | OQAPI! | 23:31 |
| @preaction | MOOOO | 23:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | I could use aspotted cow, yes | 23:34 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rff93d68 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Fix a bad template variable in SendNewletters workflow activity, bug #10953 - http://bit.ly/117f7C | 05:00 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb57dff3 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Fix a bad template variable in SendNewletters workflow activity, bug #10953 - http://bit.ly/b976M | 05:00 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5ee64a5 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Account/Profile.pm): Allow profile fields to be emptied. Fixes bug #10913. - http://bit.ly/d0mew | 06:44 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1ddfdf0 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Account/Profile.pm): Allow profile fields to be emptied. Fixes bug #10913. - http://bit.ly/l0QDR | 06:44 |
| @preaction | perlDre... you're not here | 06:44 |
| @preaction | you need to be careful with that one | 06:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | talk to me preaction | 07:04 |
| +perlDreamer | It's hard being short | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: going to crash out | 07:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll be back online tomorrow | 07:31 |
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| zmk | hi, does anyone know if there's a way to insert the automatically generated thumbnail of an image into for example a page by simply browsing the image? I mean outside of a gallery or an image's own view there's little use of the thumbnail ... | 09:59 |
| zmk | ie. if a content manager needs to add an image into a text as a thumbnail that's clickable to full size, is that possible without uploading 2 images? | 10:01 |
| zmk | Ok for articles I can use attachments and that's good, for articles I actually need pre-defined positions for the images defined in templates. But for page descriptions and maybe for certain articles the images need to be inserted freely and I'm sure there has to be a user friendly way to insert them as thumbnails ... | 10:20 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie refs/tags/v7.7.7 * rd259e92 / docs/gotcha.txt : Add missing gotchas for new modules. - http://bit.ly/GiSqj | 11:37 |
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| @bopbop | bartjol: are you around? | 17:19 |
| +bartjol | oh, eeh yes | 17:20 |
| +bartjol | I am | 17:20 |
| @bopbop | I hear I'm supposed to send you some text: do you want the whole book at once, or would you like a hundred or so pages now? | 17:21 |
| +bartjol | so, what's up bopbop? | 17:21 |
| +bartjol | well, e-mailing a book in a time won't work I suspect (e-mail has it's limits) | 17:21 |
| @bopbop | yeah, I suppose :) | 17:22 |
| +bartjol | is it somewhere where you (or one of the tech staff) can make it available for me via ssh? | 17:22 |
| @bopbop | yeah, I was just thinking along the same lines | 17:22 |
| @bopbop | I'll try to get something set up today | 17:22 |
| @bopbop | and I'll email you the details | 17:22 |
| +bartjol | cool | 17:22 |
| +bartjol | I won't be out of work i the naar future | 17:23 |
| +bartjol | near | 17:23 |
| +bartjol | in | 17:23 |
| @bopbop | no, I suspect not | 17:23 |
| @bopbop | do you have a dropbox account? | 17:23 |
| +bartjol | ope | 17:24 |
| +bartjol | nope | 17:24 |
| @bopbop | ok | 17:24 |
| +bartjol | are those free (I remain dutch :)) | 17:24 |
| @bopbop | https://www.getdropbox.com/ | 17:25 |
| @bopbop | can't remember if it's free, but it's cheap | 17:25 |
| @bopbop | I'll see if it's an option for this | 17:25 |
| +bartjol | ah, depends on the size <GB is free | 17:26 |
| +bartjol | <2GB | 17:26 |
| +bartjol | so if that fits | 17:26 |
| @bopbop | yeah, it'll fit | 17:27 |
| +bartjol | well | 17:27 |
| @bopbop | make an account | 17:27 |
| @bopbop | let me know when you have it set up | 17:27 |
| @bopbop | and I'll set up a folder for this project that we can use | 17:27 |
| @bopbop | I'll send you an invite to the folder once you're ready | 17:28 |
| +bartjol | ok | 17:28 |
| +bartjol | cool | 17:28 |
| @bopbop | k | 17:28 |
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| +bartjol | bopbop: dropbox@bartjol.l | 17:36 |
| @bopbop | ok, thx | 17:36 |
| +bartjol | that is .nl off course | 17:38 |
| @bopbop | ok | 17:41 |
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| @bopbop | bartjol: invite sent | 17:46 |
| @bopbop | protect that content with your life | 17:46 |
| +bartjol | and I accepted | 17:46 |
| @bopbop | this is yours: CM Guide 7.7_bart copy.odt | 17:47 |
| +bartjol | eeh, as "with your life" means, make it available on webgui.org, yes I wil ;) | 17:47 |
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| +bartjol | this isn't the only version I may hope? | 17:47 |
| @bopbop | no, I made you your own copy | 17:47 |
| @bopbop | I'm gonna email you in a minute | 17:48 |
| +bartjol | so it's the intellectual ownership | 17:48 |
| * bartjol is desperately checking his email | 17:48 | |
| +bartjol | thanks bopbop, as I am writing you and Koen now, first we need a skeleton before we hang something I suppose, so we actually need a discussion on that | 18:02 |
| @bopbop | ok | 18:02 |
| +bartjol | have to go now, emailed you | 18:07 |
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| daviddelikat | I need some help with internationalization, who would be the expert? | 18:14 |
| @preaction | depends on what you need | 18:14 |
| daviddelikat | one of my templates is not replacing the ^internal...; macro | 18:14 |
| daviddelikat | the module is good because I get some text out of it | 18:15 |
| daviddelikat | its just one template that is mis-behaving | 18:15 |
| @preaction | it's ^International(); | 18:15 |
| @preaction | upper-case I | 18:15 |
| daviddelikat | yes, that was a typo | 18:16 |
| daviddelikat | what I get in the output is this: ^International(comments,Asset_Ticket); | 18:16 |
| @preaction | perhaps it's not being processed by the macro processor? are there errors in the logs? | 18:16 |
| daviddelikat | as if it was not doing any macros ata ll | 18:16 |
| daviddelikat | no errors | 18:16 |
| @preaction | how are you returning the data? | 18:18 |
| daviddelikat | returning what data? | 18:19 |
| @preaction | the data containing the macro | 18:19 |
| @preaction | i don't believe JSON is parsed for macros, for example | 18:19 |
| daviddelikat | so if I set the content to json that would cause this? | 18:20 |
| @preaction | yes, if you're processing a template and then sending the result as JSON, you need to process macros yourself (using WebGUI::Macro::process( $session, \$content ); | 18:21 |
| daviddelikat | definately an interesting issue, because I'm doing both... the template is HTML but the return type is JSON | 18:24 |
| daviddelikat | pretty sure that solves my problem | 18:24 |
| daviddelikat | are Macros processed when the template is processed? or after the view function returns? | 18:27 |
| @preaction | Macros are processed as part of the Style template | 18:27 |
| @preaction | since JSON is not inside of a style, macros are not processed | 18:27 |
| @preaction | see WebGUI::Session::Style->process | 18:28 |
| daviddelikat | I just put in a direct call to process macros, its the only thing that really make sense. thanks for your help | 18:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, folks | 18:41 |
| daviddelikat | mornin | 18:41 |
| @preaction | morning | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: re last night, what do I need to be careful about? | 18:41 |
| @preaction | I forget, there was something having to do with default values and trying to delete data from a profile field | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | hm. | 18:42 |
| @preaction | and i don't remember if i could make a failing test for it, for some other weird reason | 18:43 |
| @preaction | this was back when we were having problems because there was no way to determine if a field had been part of the form or not | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | that part has been fixed. All fields now have a presence indicator | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | the problem that I fixed is that User->profileField does a truthiness check on the input data | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | and doesn't write if it's false | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | even though '' (and 0) are fine profile field values | 18:44 |
| @preaction | okay, that's different | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm glad you're watching my back :) | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | KlausH: are you awake? | 18:45 |
| daviddelikat | preaction: has the help desk been updated on webgui.org since I change the ticketStatus update? ( 2 weeks ago I think ) | 18:49 |
| @preaction | not yet, no. it's on my list for today | 18:49 |
| daviddelikat | you will want to wait, I have just identified a problem in the connection between comments and status change that will probably make it impossible to resolve a ticket | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I used to be able to see a "Assign bug to me" link, but it seems to be gone now, too. | 18:50 |
| daviddelikat | I'll try to get it fixed this morning | 18:50 |
| @preaction | ok | 18:51 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: yeah, that's been going on-and-off weirdly. i think because there are three different templates on pb.com | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, I see. That makes sense. | 18:51 |
| daviddelikat | dang, I forgot to update the other templates... | 18:51 |
| daviddelikat | JT mentioned that it was silly to have the extra templates | 18:52 |
| daviddelikat | how troublel some is it to just use the main one | 18:52 |
| @preaction | as far as i know it should be no issue at all. i think the only difference is some leading text which should be the Description field anyway | 18:54 |
| daviddelikat | that was what I saw as well, hence the discussion... | 18:55 |
| @preaction | i'll add that to my list today | 18:55 |
| daviddelikat | correction: its not resolved that is trouble, but closed status that is difficult to reach. | 18:56 |
| daviddelikat | I'll be looking at the automagic version as well as the manual side today. | 18:57 |
| mducharme-work | 7.7.20 release soon? | 18:58 |
| @preaction | should be today if all goes well | 18:59 |
| mducharme-work | excellent | 19:00 |
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| sanyock | Hello | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | howdy | 19:01 |
| @preaction | hello there | 19:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | hold onto yer shorts, I'm going to write some javascript | 19:02 |
| sanyock | Could please someone suggest why a matrix can display "data error" in v7.6.35 on an upgraded site while works fine on a new site (on the same server)? | 19:02 |
| sanyock | It is a new not upgraded matrix object just create with default properties | 19:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: hao master * r082b04b / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 19:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Fixed bug #10982 where survey admin menu options appear twice. Caused by the | 19:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Survey Asset directly calling its parent getAdminConsole method instead of | 19:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: instantiating a session instance of the method. - http://bit.ly/P33Ya | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | sanyock, edit and save your matrix. | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | There was a bug in adding new properties to the Matrix. It was not done in the best way, and this causes existing Matrix assets to have a javascript error. | 19:05 |
| sanyock | I tried to edit it several times, I tried to create a new matrix on both upgraded and new sites | 19:06 |
| sanyock | new matrix on upgraded site does not work, but new matrix on a new site works fine | 19:06 |
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| sanyock | neither matrix did not exist before upgrade | 19:06 |
| sanyock | May be there is a thread on the forum where it was discussed I should search for | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | it was a posted bug | 19:08 |
| sanyock | Looking bugtracker | 19:08 |
| sanyock | Most bug reports point to a JavaScript error, but having the same server most likely I am using the same JavaScripts for both demo and production | 19:18 |
| sanyock | It seems like I should change something in production database to fix the issue | 19:19 |
| daviddelikat | Haarg: how does wgdev look for the webgui config file? | 19:20 |
| sanyock | Does WebGUI stores any predefined Matrix JavaScripts in templates? | 19:20 |
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| @preaction | sanyock: it's possible | 19:21 |
| @Haarg | it used to automatically check for a single config and use it if available, but it doesn't do that any longer | 19:21 |
| @preaction | which is kinda lame to me :( | 19:21 |
| daviddelikat | so do I have to specify a config every time | 19:21 |
| @preaction | i think there's a way to make a .wgdev config file for that, no? | 19:22 |
| @Haarg | you can either set the WEBGUI_CONFIG env variable or set the command.webgui_config config entry | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | -F works, too | 19:22 |
| @preaction | and where is that config file? ~/.wgdev, correct? | 19:23 |
| daviddelikat | I've been using -F but it is a lot of typing... | 19:23 |
| @Haarg | ~/.wgdevcfg | 19:23 |
| daviddelikat | what does wgdevcfg look like? | 19:23 |
| @Haarg | wgd help config | 19:23 |
| daviddelikat | much better... | 19:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | tavisto: OQAPI! | 19:27 |
| @tavisto | OQAPI!!!!!! | 19:27 |
| @tavisto | hey you owe me several hundred karma | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | WEBGUI! | 19:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's true | 19:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | how much? | 19:27 |
| @tavisto | after I dominated the dutch team's greatest pool player | 19:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | 600? | 19:27 |
| @tavisto | I think it was 190,000 | 19:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | hehe | 19:28 |
| @tavisto | haha I kid.. I don't need your karma | 19:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 19:28 |
| @tavisto | I can magically create it out of thin air if I want to be karma rich | 19:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | you really do | 19:28 |
| @tavisto | I would prefer you have it. | 19:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | I owe patspam 300 | 19:28 |
| @tavisto | okay so pay him with what you lost to me | 19:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm not sure if you are better at pool than he is | 19:29 |
| @tavisto | of course I am | 19:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | or the beers in between both games are to be blamed | 19:29 |
| @tavisto | I blame it on the beers.. but you have an unfair advantage because you always have a blood alcohol content of over .15 | 19:30 |
| @preaction | oh, now i remember why the templates differ. it's the differents between "Report a bug" and "New Ticket" | 19:32 |
| @preaction | does anyone here not know that "New Ticket" will report a bug? | 19:32 |
| daviddelikat | is there any way to trigger a workflow manually? | 19:36 |
| @preaction | yes, through the Workflow menu | 19:37 |
| daviddelikat | in the admin console? I'm not seeing anything | 19:37 |
| @preaction | oh, wait. that's a scheduled task | 19:37 |
| @preaction | uh.... no | 19:37 |
| @preaction | as how would you trigger, say, a version tag workflow without a version tag? | 19:38 |
| daviddelikat | no I just want to run the helpdesk close tickets workflow | 19:38 |
| daviddelikat | I can run the hourly maint task | 19:38 |
| daviddelikat | thanks | 19:38 |
| daviddelikat | that is what I was loking for | 19:38 |
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| sanyock | I have just made a search for "matrix" in admin/assets and all found objects have the same size and date in both demo and production | 19:47 |
| sanyock | demo works, production does not :( | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | sanyock, when 7.7.20 is released, it should fix the problem | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | that release will be later today | 19:49 |
| KlausH | Hi | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | KlausH, I need some help fixing an i18n bug in German. | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | In your website, are all the profile tabs internationalized in the Account? | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: one thing that in the helpdesk that should require 2 templates are Karma Rank | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | in the bug list, that's just taking up space. | 19:58 |
| KlausH | After short looking into the profile settings it seems that "Are you available to be added as a Friend?" is not internationalized. | 20:01 |
| daviddelikat | what are the 2 templates for karma rank for? | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | KlausH, ug, that's another bug. In particular, is the Personal profile field category internationalized? | 20:01 |
| daviddelikat | perlDreamer: what do you mean about karma rank needing 2 templates? | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat: in the bug board, karma is worthless so it should not be displayed. | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | on the rfe board, karma is everything, so it has to be displayed | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | as an aside, the EMS sorting bug seems to be that the DataTable was set to sort, but the server side JSON method and client-side data source weren't told about that. | 20:04 |
| daviddelikat | the template should leave out the karma info if it is turned off | 20:05 |
| KlausH | Do you mean "?op=account"? These things are internationalized. | 20:05 |
| +perlDreamer | KlausH: what I'm looking for is well described in this bug: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/10977 | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | it's just that I can't duplicate it | 20:06 |
| @Haarg | the issue with karma should be solved by having an additional karma option, not two templates | 20:07 |
| sanyock | Is it correct that "Maximum Group" combobox includes auto groups for Threads/Collab? | 20:10 |
| daviddelikat | is karma being displayed where it shouldn | 20:10 |
| daviddelikat | t be? | 20:10 |
| +perlDreamer | yup, in the bug board | 20:10 |
| @preaction | i agree that it should be an option, not a new template | 20:11 |
| daviddelikat | I'll look at the template and see why it is displayed, we don't need another option because there is already an on/off option and it is just not being used propperly in this template | 20:12 |
| @Haarg | there should be two settings. one for having the karma/difficulty stuff enabled, and another for posting tickets/comments giving karma. | 20:12 |
| @Haarg | the single option is not sufficient | 20:13 |
| daviddelikat | why? | 20:13 |
| @Haarg | it's enabled for the bug board because otherwise users wouldn't get karma for posting | 20:13 |
| daviddelikat | so should the option have two settings? | 20:14 |
| @Haarg | it should just be two independent options | 20:14 |
| daviddelikat | one is for posting the other is for ticket accumulating | 20:15 |
| @Haarg | basically, yes | 20:15 |
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| * perlDreamer is daydreaming about an extended ticket resolution form where version numbers and commits have their own form fields. | 20:27 | |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rfffef31 / (5 files in 5 dirs): Fixed #10967: Using a round bracket (parenthesis) in a macro. Unbalanced parentheses can now be escaped in macro calls using the backslash character. - http://bit.ly/3v5qCy | 20:28 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r740066c / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix sorting in the EMS ticket screen. bug #10929. - http://bit.ly/wLcAw | 20:28 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5882115 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix sorting in the EMS ticket screen. bug #10929. - http://bit.ly/CCK66 | 20:28 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1786523 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move EMS package to correct directory. - http://bit.ly/1aDWHF | 20:28 |
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| daviddelikat | perlDreamer: can you email me a description of your daydream? | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, I can try, but it's way out there :) I'll see to it later this afternoon. | 20:42 |
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| daviddelikat | I'm usually way out there myself | 20:43 |
| daviddelikat | preaction: can you put on you list somewhere to check and see when the 'helpdesk:close resolved tickets' workflow is set to run on webgui.org | 20:47 |
| * perlDreamer will remind him | 20:49 | |
| @preaction | doesn't look like it is set to run on webgui.org at all | 20:49 |
| daviddelikat | that may be best | 20:49 |
| daviddelikat | I just tested it and it changed the status to Acknowleged | 20:49 |
| daviddelikat | seems a bit buggy | 20:49 |
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| daviddelikat | I was going to say 'I'll be back later' but tonight is madmongers meeting | 20:51 |
| daviddelikat | so I ~may~ be back later.. | 20:51 |
| @preaction | indeed | 20:51 |
| +perlDreamer | madmongers, madmongers, party time, excellent! | 20:52 |
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| ekennedy | Is anyone using Aspell in the 0.9.3 WRE. I'm getting the following error on a couple of different installs "/data/wre/prereqs/bin/httpd: symbol lookup error: /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/i686-linux/auto/Text/Aspell/Aspell.so: undefined symbol: new_aspell_config" | 22:26 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * re161afd / (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #10885: code editor breaks JS comments - http://bit.ly/ROt2I | 22:37 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * rbbe1eb7 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #10885: code editor breaks JS comments - http://bit.ly/3UDUGN | 22:49 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 22:50 |
| ekennedy | Hi. | 22:50 |
| SquOnk | What's the way to get access to webgui's GIT repo? | 22:51 |
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| ekennedy | Do you need to commit or just read? | 22:53 |
| SquOnk | ekennedy: I used to have write permission on the SVN repo, but reading will suffice for the time being. | 22:54 |
| ekennedy | I think JT needs to give commit access. I only got started with GIT last week. The first thing I did was create an account at GIT (http://github.com) | 22:55 |
| ekennedy | Do you already have an account? | 22:55 |
| SquOnk | ekennedy: I'd lie to you if I answered yes or no :-) | 22:56 |
| SquOnk | ekennedy: I remember being asked about it a while ago. I don't remember answering or not answering :-) | 22:56 |
| ekennedy | I'm not sure if you have to have one or not to read but you should be able to get to the sources at http://github.com/plainblack. | 22:57 |
| ekennedy | To get commit access I think you will need to send your GIT ID to JT. | 23:00 |
| @preaction | yes, JT is the one with the keys | 23:02 |
| carogray | hello guys - nice meeting most of Y'all last week | 23:07 |
| carogray | have a question about anchors | 23:07 |
| carogray | we have used anchors on page..hang on a sec plumber on phone | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk: http://github.com/plainblack/webgui | 23:08 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Yes, I'm cloning it as we speal | 23:09 |
| SquOnk | speak | 23:09 |
| SquOnk | "Replace WebGUI search with something" -> PostgreSQL FTS | 23:10 |
| SquOnk | Ah, but WebGUI only runs on MySQL... pity <g> | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, you're as much of a PostgreSQL bigot as I am a perl bigot. | 23:11 |
| SquOnk | PG FTS supports stemming, indexes on real time via triggers, and it's multilinguial. | 23:11 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: :-) | 23:11 |
| SquOnk | ...it also has ranking and performance is amazing since it uses the proper indexing: no B-trees nor inverted lists, but a spatial R-index which is THE right way to do that. | 23:12 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I've been on the full-text search wagon for years. | 23:14 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: The only thing out-of-database that _really_ works is call dpsearch. Excellent functionality, crappy documentation. | 23:15 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: But it doesn't do its work on line. You need to batch it. | 23:15 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I had an experimental vertical indexing site using Pg/dpsearch. | 23:16 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: We'll be switching to Pg FTS shortly. And we're publishing a paper (hopefully on the next OSCON :-). | 23:17 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r4186b7c / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Make Test.pm search order the same as preload.perl - http://bit.ly/OCIre | 23:23 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra194f69 / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 23:23 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Fixed bug #10982 where survey admin menu options appear twice. Caused by the | 23:23 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Survey Asset directly calling its parent getAdminConsole method instead of | 23:23 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: instantiating a session instance of the method. - http://bit.ly/4N5y5 | 23:23 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r716da04 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Make Test.pm search order the same as preload.perl - http://bit.ly/11FwCd | 23:24 |
| mducharme-work | we use postgresql for a bunch of stuff | 23:24 |
| mducharme-work | I think it works great | 23:24 |
| mducharme-work | wow! | 23:30 |
| mducharme-work | reading the TODO's for webgui 8 | 23:30 |
| mducharme-work | I absolutely love the seperate style template idea | 23:30 |
| carogray | ok plumber can't solve mysterious "intermittent water" problem and at a cost of $1899 to replace pump, and a mere $638 or so just to come out and do a little quick fixes, no thanks, so back to my anchor and syntax question | 23:31 |
| carogray | is it best if linking to anchor on same page to do <a href="question_11">question 11</a> or | 23:32 |
| carogray | <a href="^PageUrl();#question_11"> question 11</a> | 23:33 |
| carogray | ? | 23:33 |
| carogray | the rules for doing this seem to have been inconsistent from version to version and I would like to do it one way and have it work that way for as long as poss | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | anchors on the same page are always #anchow | 23:36 |
| +perlDreamer | #anchor | 23:36 |
| mducharme-work | will there be a webgui 7.9.x after 7.8.x, or is it going to likely go directly from 7.8.x to 8.x? | 23:39 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * r5519d4f / (t/Workflow/Activity/GetCsMail.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): add new API for mocking assets in tests - http://bit.ly/BFMn4 | 23:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | it depends on the timing of it all | 23:43 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: can your progress bar be used without the admin style? | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | good question | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | right now I think the admin style is hardcoded in there | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, the admin style is hardcoded | 00:14 |
| @preaction | the new bug about the Gallery is long-standing, but if something like the progress bar could be used | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | good point | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | if the progress bar was ever exposed to a user, it would have to be templated | 00:15 |
| @preaction | it'd have to be broken into two parts, the upload and then a page refresh for the processing | 00:15 |
| @preaction | or somehow stylable, yes | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | you could use the same progress bar for both parts | 00:15 |
| @preaction | god, why didn't i fix this properly when i had the time? | 00:15 |
| @preaction | no need, the upload works just fine, it's the processing that's the problem | 00:16 |
| @preaction | also, the upload is much hairier to get the callback right | 00:16 |
| @preaction | much easier to just do the processing, and then it fixes the problem | 00:17 |
| dionak | does anyone here use Thingy? I've tried linking a file field from another 'Thing' but, once linked, the form field is just a selectbox | 00:20 |
| dionak | normal? | 00:20 |
| @preaction | yes, you select the thing | 00:22 |
| dionak | i did, my file field (once linked) becomes a select box | 00:23 |
| dionak | i submitted a bug. | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, but there's a new policy. When developers submit a bug, they have to also commit tests that expose the bug. | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | this makes it much easier on the bug fixer | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | normal users aren't affected by the new policy, they just have to pay $5 for each bug | 00:25 |
| @preaction | so, wait, how much do I owe you then? | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | you are not a normal user | 00:34 |
| @preaction | I'm Abby Normal? | 00:34 |
| SDuensin | Anyone want to give me the two minute reason I should use GIT over SVN? | 00:37 |
| @Haarg | because it does everything faster and is actually useful for merges | 00:37 |
| * SDuensin doesn't grok GIT though. | 00:38 | |
| @Haarg | allows for offline work, easier for people to make contributions, and uses much less disk space as well, but those aren't always relevant | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, open your mind | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Fear is the mind-killer | 00:39 |
| SDuensin | Fear isn't the problem. Documentation is. :-P | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | On the dev list, Haarg listed a whole bunch of good docs | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Even an old guy like me can use git | 00:40 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 00:40 |
| @Haarg | http://git.or.cz/course/svn.html is a good start, although it omits working with remotes | 00:40 |
| @Haarg | well, it includes it, but as a separate section | 00:40 |
| SDuensin | Ok, I'll look at setting it up. I'm running "Redmine" for development. I have great SVN integration with it. Pretty sure I can do the same with GIT. | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | git is kinda like WebGUI, you can't just walk in and start using it. | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | figure a day or so of downtime for reading docs and trying stuff out | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | Now, we're cooking! | 00:41 |
| SDuensin | Guess I got more reading to do. | 00:42 |
| SDuensin | You guys ever look at Redmine? Really nice development server. | 00:43 |
| @Haarg | what kind of project would you be using it for? | 00:43 |
| SDuensin | I'm setting up Redmine and some kind of SCM to manage all my code. Everything. | 00:44 |
| * SDuensin really wants WebDAV in WebGUI so he can avoid using even more non-WG stuff. | 00:47 | |
| @preaction | SDuensin: it's a project looking for a dev right now | 00:47 |
| SDuensin | I wish I had the time to do it. I'd love to. But I'm in need of it to get to that point! | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like a prerequisite | 00:48 |
| SDuensin | I fear I'm going to have three systems here - WebGUI, Redmine, and Alfredo. | 00:48 |
| mducharme-work | what's this WGFS? | 00:48 |
| @preaction | alfredo? | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | It's a WebDAV plugin for WebGUI | 00:49 |
| @preaction | mducharme-work: what SDuensin is talking about, WebDAV integrated into WebGUI | 00:49 |
| mducharme-work | ahh | 00:49 |
| mducharme-work | ok heh | 00:49 |
| SDuensin | Er, Alfresco. AlYankovick. Whatever it's called. | 00:49 |
| @preaction | so an asset will show up as a file you can mount on your system | 00:49 |
| mducharme-work | right | 00:49 |
| @preaction | Alfresco | 00:49 |
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| SDuensin | Man, is there some law that says you have to use GitHub? I can't find any examples that *don't*! | 00:54 |
| @Haarg | hard to argue with free hosting with a convenient web interface that allows easy contributions and offers private repos | 00:56 |
| SDuensin | This is true. But I want my own. :-) | 00:56 |
| @Haarg | you might look at gitosis if you want to host it yourself | 00:57 |
| ekennedy | SDuensin: I think you can create your own local GIT repositories if you want. | 00:57 |
| SDuensin | You can, but I need to integrate it into Redmine so it manages the repository creation/removal/security. | 00:58 |
| carogray | perlDreamer: back again - anchors being #anchor always going to stay this way? in future versions? | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | carogray: it's a HTML standard? | 00:59 |
| carogray | should I go back through all of our pages and delete all the ^PageUrl(); before #anchor? | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not necessary | 01:00 |
| mducharme-work | the only purpose to have the full URL is if you want to link to an anchor on a different page | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | right, and ^PageUrl will always be the current page | 01:00 |
| carogray | We are now <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> , but I think aiming towards <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> cause that's where we want to end up don't we? | 01:00 |
| @preaction | yes | 01:01 |
| @preaction | in fact, the code that webgui outputs is XHTML, so it should (but doesn't) look weird when there's an HTML doctype | 01:01 |
| carogray | ok so at least I have that right | 01:01 |
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| @preaction | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Postel#Postel.27s_Law <- this is why it doesn't look weird, the bane of all web professionals | 01:02 |
| carogray | am I wrong in believing that once upon a time in webgui, if we only put the #anchor in and were linking to anchor within article, we ended up with the article alone and not the whole page that the article was on? I think that is why we did the ^PageUrl(); | 01:03 |
| @Haarg | xhtml is kind of a broken standard unfortunately | 01:07 |
| carogray | so what should I be aiming for i.e. what is best practice at this point? | 01:07 |
| @Haarg | xhtml1 is good just for consistency. it rarely has any impact of page rendering either way. | 01:08 |
| carogray | ok, so specifically - in the old days, if I didn't put ^PageUrl before #anchor, it didn't work right. Now I can. in fact now it makes more sense to simply put #anchor in and skip the extra ^ | 01:10 |
| carogray | doesn't matter whether we do xhtml or html 4.01 transitional - at all? | 01:10 |
| @Haarg | this is in a link? | 01:10 |
| carogray | yep, linking to other places on the page, almost always actually within same article i.e. footnotes | 01:11 |
| @Haarg | because i can't think of a reason it wouldn't have worked at some point in the past, so i'm not sure. xhtml vs html doesn't change how that works. | 01:11 |
| carogray | or other questions onthe page | 01:11 |
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| carogray | I am not saying it was xhtml or html, all I am saying that in WebGUI we used to have to put in ^PageUrl macro to keep the rest of the wobjects on the page. If we just linked to the #anchor, we only got to the destination in the article alone - no more other helpful boxes on the page ifyou scrolled up and down | 01:12 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r694d549 / (2 files in 2 dirs): autoGenerate and noFormPost are required for JSON fields. Fixes bug #10991. - http://bit.ly/3JQfb | 01:15 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r181232c / (2 files in 2 dirs): autoGenerate and noFormPost are required for JSON fields. Fixes bug #10991. - http://bit.ly/Vc2tU | 01:17 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2d2a440 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.7.20 release. - http://bit.ly/4DeQeH | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | slowly, but smoothly so far... | 01:19 |
| carogray | breaking to do dishes and make supper | 01:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | hey, patspam! | 01:35 |
| +patspam | hello from australia! | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I hope that both you and your luggage arrived at the same place near the same times? | 01:35 |
| +patspam | yep, flight went according to plan, got home about 25 hours after I left madison | 01:36 |
| +patspam | I wonder how rogier and tim fared? | 01:36 |
| +patspam | their flight to chicago got cancelled and it looked like they weren't going to make the international connection | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | No! | 01:37 |
| carogray | nope - they ended up spending the night in Madison airport! | 01:54 |
| carogray | Northwest wouldn't put them up cause of bad weather in Chicago - not Northwest's fault so they ended up overnighting in the airport | 01:54 |
| carogray | they took the same flight I did to Minneapolis on Sunday had about a 4 hr layover and then scheduled to fly to Amsterdam from Minneapolis that afternoon | 01:55 |
| carogray | I emailed Rogier - he helped me out a lot at the airport and on the plane but haven't heard back from him | 01:55 |
| carogray | one good perk - apparently one of the Northwest people took pity on them and took them out for fast food somewhere for supper Sat night | 01:56 |
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| preaction_ | yay! another new feature in webgui | 04:18 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * red8a0da / (5 files in 5 dirs): added direct value access in DataForm list view - http://bit.ly/B0dXh | 04:18 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * raf4eff3 / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 04:18 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui | 04:18 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Conflicts: | 04:18 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt - http://bit.ly/SWhF6 | 04:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: ping | 06:48 |
| +perlDreamer | dionak, I'd just add what I needed to the Thingy. | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | especially if you think that you'll need similar features in the future. | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | and then, I'd try to RFE it back into the core, since it would benefit a lot of people | 07:17 |
| +perlDreamer | there may already be an RFE for many to many relationships | 07:17 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rc488ba6 / t/Asset/Wobject/EventManagementSystem.t : Redo registrant test with a non Admin user, since user is a member of all groups. - http://bit.ly/1scUI | 07:24 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r4c564fc / (3 files in 3 dirs): Add permission check to www_viewSchedule for the EMS. fixes bug #10987 - http://bit.ly/Krqko | 07:24 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb24108b / (2 files in 2 dirs): Add permission checks to schedule JSON in the EMS. - http://bit.ly/DfHH4 | 07:24 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r94c6421 / t/Asset/Wobject/EventManagementSystem.t : Redo registrant test with a non Admin user, since user is a member of all groups. - http://bit.ly/1VSwy | 07:25 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbcaff3b / (3 files in 3 dirs): Add permission check to www_viewSchedule for the EMS. fixes bug #10987 - http://bit.ly/aUnZ9 | 07:25 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb2798a4 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Add permission checks to schedule JSON in the EMS. - http://bit.ly/RBKHH | 07:25 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r387650b / t/Asset/Wobject/EventManagementSystem.t : Redo registrant test with a non Admin user, since user is a member of all groups. - http://bit.ly/8dtwr | 07:25 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc5824ab / (2 files in 2 dirs): Return something more appropriate than unprivileged for getScheduleAsJSON. - http://bit.ly/I6ZF7 | 07:25 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rdfd4df0 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Return something more appropriate than unprivileged for getScheduleAsJSON. - http://bit.ly/15f6wz | 07:27 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat: ping | 07:39 |
| +perlDreamer | nm, I'll just reply to the bug. | 07:42 |
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| ryuu_ro | mr spam, in your presentation on the ultimate dev environment you had some cool stuff to keep track of content changes | 11:29 |
| ryuu_ro | i believe you used wgdev and git for that | 11:30 |
| ryuu_ro | your presentation isn't onlline, can you send me a copy? | 11:30 |
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| +bartjol | morning | 16:29 |
| @bopbop | morning | 16:31 |
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| +bartjol | strange, no alterations in the i18n site according to the i18n server | 17:03 |
| +bartjol | or is that displayig the first of 7.8, so there are no changes in that yet? | 17:03 |
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| +bartjol | ah, after installing the version on my translation server it shows that there are changes, so prolly it will 7.8.0 on the i18n site | 17:15 |
| +bartjol | and webgui.org is still on 19 | 17:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | good morning, everybody! | 17:51 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: you ready to talk EMS/Badge stuff? | 17:52 |
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| +bartjol | morning PD | 17:55 |
| +bartjol | and 7.7.20 is Dutch | 17:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Dutch? | 17:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I hope that means "It rocks!" | 17:57 |
| +bartjol | well, the translation is complete | 17:57 |
| +perlDreamer | excellent | 17:57 |
| daviddelikat | doesn't dutch mean the woman pays? | 17:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought dutch meant each pays their own | 17:58 |
| ryuu_ro | dutch means you have to drink a lot of beer :) | 17:58 |
| daviddelikat | woohoo | 17:58 |
| +perlDreamer | speaking of Dutch, did Rogier and Tim make it home? | 17:58 |
| +bartjol | yeah, thankgullY I already had my translation server setup | 17:58 |
| +bartjol | dunno | 17:58 |
| +bartjol | I suppose | 18:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd heard that they'd missed their connecting flight | 18:01 |
| +bartjol | I haven't heard anything | 18:02 |
| +bartjol | no news is good news | 18:02 |
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| daviddelikat | perlDreamer: got a minute? | 19:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm here | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat: ping ack grep sed awk perl | 19:44 |
| daviddelikat | sorry I was reading about karma ticket issues.... | 19:44 |
| daviddelikat | hmm I had a question what was it? | 19:45 |
| +perlDreamer | was it about funny ticket rendering? | 19:45 |
| daviddelikat | yes | 19:45 |
| daviddelikat | what tools are being used | 19:45 |
| daviddelikat | that cause that | 19:45 |
| daviddelikat | should I re-phrase that? | 19:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I think the problem is browsers and email tools. | 19:45 |
| +perlDreamer | when you paste from an email with HTML formatting, it's being pasted in as <PRE> very very very long line </PRE> | 19:46 |
| daviddelikat | ok I'll try that | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | since it's being pasted, it seems to go right past the TinyMCE editing controls. | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: lftp doesn't seem to follow agent forwarding | 19:51 |
| @Haarg | correct | 19:51 |
| @Haarg | that's why i recommended using sftp instead :) | 19:51 |
| * perlDreamer misunderstood that to mean use the sftp protocol in lftp, but it all makes sense now | 19:51 | |
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| daviddelikat | perlDreamer: have you been able to duplicate this bug? | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I haven't tried to myself, it just keeps popping up | 19:55 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: EMS/Badge stuff? | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: I can't find anywhere the message "Must have a badge". | 19:55 |
| daviddelikat | no the bad formattign on the helpdesk tickets | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, I'll try to duplicate it once I wring some information about of preaction | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: it's not in the i18n, the JS, the database, or in the code. | 19:56 |
| daviddelikat | thanks, no hurry, I'm having IM flow issues | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | definitely not in the getScheduleAsJSON method of the EMS | 19:56 |
| daviddelikat | too many conversations at once | 19:56 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: oh, right. i'll go find the page again quick | 19:56 |
| * SDuensin starts a conversation with daviddelikat | 19:57 | |
| daviddelikat | sup SDuensin? | 19:57 |
| @preaction | SDuensin: http://learn.github.com/ <- perhaps helping you with git? | 19:57 |
| daviddelikat | wooo, nice docs | 19:58 |
| SDuensin | preaction - had other issues with git besides my brain. :-) | 19:58 |
| @preaction | pish posh, git is the best thing since CVS | 19:58 |
| SDuensin | not giving up yet though | 19:59 |
| SDuensin | it's only great if it works :-) | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | It's better than fizzy lifting drink. | 19:59 |
| daviddelikat | I agree its the best, but it is also difficult to master | 19:59 |
| SDuensin | so far, i can't get the integration worked out | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | to master git: git checkout master | 19:59 |
| @preaction | i would argue that git is difficult to master only because there is so much more to master | 19:59 |
| daviddelikat | what are you integrating? | 20:00 |
| @preaction | but to just use on a daily basis, there's only a little bit more to do | 20:00 |
| daviddelikat | yes, feature quantity is the issue | 20:00 |
| * SDuensin wants pointy-clicky repo management in Redmine | 20:00 | |
| @preaction | bah. lame. | 20:00 |
| @preaction | next you'll want point-and-click coding | 20:00 |
| daviddelikat | I have used tortoise git | 20:00 |
| daviddelikat | its not terrible | 20:01 |
| SDuensin | no - too many things promise that. all crap | 20:01 |
| daviddelikat | but GUI cannot replace commandline | 20:01 |
| SDuensin | go look at redmine.org - good stuff | 20:01 |
| daviddelikat | there is a doc somewhere that shows how to map svn commands to git, perhaps that is what you need? | 20:04 |
| SDuensin | na. git isn't the issue. it's making redmine do what i want. | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | it says that it integrates with git, maybe the docs are worse than WebGUI's? | 20:05 |
| daviddelikat | what are you trying to integrate? | 20:05 |
| SDuensin | i want redmine to manage the repo creation/removal and permissions. and be browsable in redmine for issue tracking | 20:06 |
| daviddelikat | like github? | 20:06 |
| SDuensin | yea, but it also has an integrated wiki, doc manager, and lots more | 20:07 |
| daviddelikat | can you make a r*b* (cough) object that implements the git API? | 20:08 |
| @preaction | yuilibrary.com uses something that integrates with Git, i think it's Trac but I'm not sure | 20:08 |
| * perlDreamer tries to point and click preaction toward the EMS again | 20:08 | |
| daviddelikat | gforge can be connected to git | 20:09 |
| SDuensin | redmine does it. just not well documented. and i'd like it to work along side svn, not in place of. not sure it can do that | 20:09 |
| SDuensin | gforge has never once installed properly for me | 20:09 |
| daviddelikat | I use the VM | 20:10 |
| daviddelikat | but I don't really like it as a tool | 20:10 |
| SDuensin | it's clunkier than redmine | 20:11 |
| daviddelikat | clunky is putting it mild | 20:11 |
| SDuensin | i just want to integrate the redmine login with my webgui users | 20:12 |
| daviddelikat | are you runnign the two on the same server? | 20:12 |
| SDuensin | Nope. Not even the same network. :-) | 20:17 |
| SDuensin | bbiaf | 20:20 |
| @Haarg | github is moving to new hosting soon. will be nice as it currently has been having problems a bit too frequently. | 20:26 |
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| SDuensin | back | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, preaction :) | 20:39 |
| daviddelikat | wow github's been backed up for an hour!!! | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | perhaps it needs some fiber? | 20:39 |
| daviddelikat | fiber optics? | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | keeps the bits moving | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | between that, lots of water and exercise, there should be no issues with congestion | 20:40 |
| SDuensin | Hey, WTF is "Graphics" for in WebGUI? I've never used it and never heard it mentioned. | 20:40 |
| @preaction | Fonts and Colors for the graphs WebGUI produces | 20:41 |
| @preaction | see: Poll | 20:41 |
| SDuensin | Ahhh | 20:41 |
| @preaction | heh, not sure if there is any other place | 20:41 |
| SDuensin | Would be kinda cool to use 'em in templates. | 20:42 |
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| daviddelikat | I'm off to my 'other job' I'll be back online later this evening 6ish CST | 20:58 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rd3f2f47 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Consider time zone when creating start/end dates for calendar view methods. Fixes bug #10924 - http://bit.ly/tf4ip | 21:26 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r96dba30 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Consider time zone when creating start/end dates for calendar view methods. Fixes bug #10924 - http://bit.ly/eVgy | 21:26 |
| @preaction | you know what'd be nice? if github was working so i could be checking commits :p | 21:27 |
| * SDuensin mentions something about why he's building his own repo server. | 21:28 | |
| +perlDreamer | I do miss the old SVN web browser | 21:33 |
| +perlDreamer | because it was written in perl, and not some other perl-wanna-be language | 21:34 |
| @Haarg | the only problem i've had with github's interface is the speed. hopefully that will be resolved soon though. | 21:34 |
| @Haarg | there's always gitweb :) | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | there is? | 21:35 |
| @Haarg | there's a web interface that comes with git | 21:35 |
| @Haarg | written in perl | 21:35 |
| @Haarg | http://git.kernel.org/?p=git/git.git;a=summary looks like this | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | there's gitk, too, but that requires doing a pull | 21:35 |
| * SDuensin ignored that redmine was in some batshit insane language and just loaded it. | 21:35 | |
| * perlDreamer goes running | 21:36 | |
| +perlDreamer | it's been a while, so hopefully I'll make it back in 1 piece | 21:36 |
| * Haarg is trying to get buildbot working for webgui, and having to learn some python | 21:36 | |
| SDuensin | I mean, had I been a language Nazi years back, I'd have never installed a CMS written in *PERL*! | 21:38 |
| @Haarg | as long as i don't have to write any php i'm ok | 21:39 |
| SDuensin | PHP is the new BASIC. | 21:40 |
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| @Haarg | at least basic you can look at it and immediately know it is bad. | 22:04 |
| @Haarg | working with php is similar enough to perl in some ways that you fool yourself into thinking it might not be horrible at first. | 22:04 |
| * perlDreamer is back | 23:02 | |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: what's your nice wre restart invocation for apache? | 23:07 |
| @preaction | !?restart | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | no, the nice one that uses apachectl to do a gentle restart without starting and stopping apache fully | 23:08 |
| @preaction | ahh | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | it needs to go into wreservice as well | 23:09 |
| @preaction | that'd be nice | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | sudo /data/wre/prereqs/bin/apachectl -f /data/wre/etc/modperl.conf -D WRE-modperl -E /data/wre/var/logs/modperl.error.log -k graceful | 23:35 |
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| dionak | hi all. i sent out a message to the dev list yesterday. has anyone had a chance to review it? i realize it's a little verbose. | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I replied last night in channel | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll add a reply to the thread | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | short summary: I'd add what you need to the Thingy, especially if you think you'll need it later | 00:26 |
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| dionak | ok, thanks perlDreamer. i will definitely need this over and over. can we schedule a talk over the phone? if you're willing, i'll email you privately. | 00:31 |
| dionak | i have more i'd like to talk to you about as well | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | scheduling a talk would be fine | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | you still have my email address? | 00:32 |
| dionak | yes, i have your card. i'll email you tonight to schedule something. | 00:32 |
| dionak | thanks! | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | you're welcome :) | 00:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: how do you remove a directory in git? | 01:04 |
| @Haarg | you don't | 01:04 |
| @Haarg | empty directories don't exist in git | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | what happens if I just made one, by moving the only file out of it into another directory? | 01:05 |
| @Haarg | git won't actually remove the directory, but it won't exist in the repo | 01:06 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rf06ad4f / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.7.21 development. - http://bit.ly/12Qwsn | 01:14 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r7b7379f / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move upgrade package to correct directory. - http://bit.ly/vBwrx | 01:14 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r79b8492 / (6 files in 6 dirs): WikiPage displays a locked label when locked. fixes bug #10998 - http://bit.ly/t7oXE | 02:09 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r004ba59 / (6 files in 6 dirs): WikiPage displays a locked label when locked. fixes bug #10998 - http://bit.ly/ONzKQ | 02:09 |
| @Haarg | i really hate tinymce | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | me, too | 02:20 |
| +perlDreamer | You're looking at the "s" bug? | 02:20 |
| @Haarg | no | 02:21 |
| @Haarg | trying to write a wiki page | 02:21 |
| @Haarg | basically a copy/paste of the svn page with appropriate changes: http://www.webgui.org/develop/wiki/git | 02:22 |
| @Haarg | needs some work but it will do for now | 02:22 |
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| @Haarg | not sure what to do with the svn page but i'll just change the intro for now | 02:24 |
| @preaction | Haarg: i'm having a discussion with Steve Swanson right now about how much TinyMCE sucks nuts | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | all we have to do to dump it is rewrite several hundred lines of javascript :) | 02:33 |
| @preaction | yeah, can't wait. shouldn't be too much work | 02:34 |
| @Haarg | took a look at the s bug | 02:35 |
| @Haarg | that's just silly | 02:35 |
| @Haarg | it will remove any number of s's at the end, and affects capital S's as well. | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | is it fixed in a newer release? | 02:39 |
| @Haarg | don't know | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | we are using a fairly old one | 02:39 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 02:39 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, does the USPS test run correctly for you? | 02:40 |
| +perlDreamer | the last time I ran the test (yesterday), it did | 02:40 |
| +perlDreamer | do you have a userId key to activate it? | 02:40 |
| @Haarg | no | 02:40 |
| @Haarg | is there a reason it uses a huge skip block rather than skip_all or just puking if the module won't load? | 02:41 |
| @Haarg | with no user id i'm getting 46 tests passing | 02:41 |
| @Haarg | rather than the 42 it has in the plan | 02:42 |
| +perlDreamer | can't use skip_all, because it always has 1 test, use_ok | 02:42 |
| @Haarg | why not die then? | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | dieing would prevent anything in the END block from running? | 02:43 |
| @Haarg | no | 02:44 |
| @Haarg | it doesn't really need anything in the die block to run though | 02:44 |
| @Haarg | err | 02:44 |
| @Haarg | END block | 02:44 |
| daviddelikat | I found a bug in my WebGUI site: http://delikat.homeip.net:5432/pg/stuff/huge-mosquito-like-bug | 02:45 |
| daviddelikat | I also found that you can create back-doors in webgui | 02:45 |
| @Haarg | honestly i'm not sure what the point of use_ok is | 02:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I like it | 02:47 |
| daviddelikat | the bug or the back-door? | 02:48 |
| +perlDreamer | uh, I like use_ok | 02:48 |
| +perlDreamer | no comments on bug or back-doors | 02:48 |
| daviddelikat | all work and no play... | 02:49 |
| @Haarg | there's pretty much no case where you would want to continue if use_ok fails, and if you die the test counts as failed anyway. | 02:49 |
| @Haarg | http://gist.github.com/188246 | 02:49 |
| @Haarg | there's also the fact that use_ok can have very different effects from use | 02:52 |
| @Haarg | not something we'd really run into with webgui because it's mostly all OO | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, in all the testing code and docs that I've seen, they recommend use_ok. If you've seen other info, I'd love to read it. | 02:55 |
| @Haarg | http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/37797 | 02:57 |
| @Haarg | http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/39074 | 02:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I've read Ovid's opinions on this, but prefer Adam Kennedy's idea about 01_compile.t better. | 03:00 |
| @Haarg | there's really two questions to answer about it | 03:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd say that we could move syntaxCheck.t to 00_compile.t, but it also checks for warnings which fail on the WRE | 03:00 |
| @Haarg | why is dieing a bad thing? (and you really need to anyway) | 03:01 |
| @Haarg | and what does the extra passing test give you | 03:01 |
| @Haarg | it does? | 03:01 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 03:02 |
| @Haarg | what warnings? | 03:02 |
| +perlDreamer | One of the POE modules has a syntax warning in it | 03:02 |
| +perlDreamer | some duplicate my | 03:02 |
| @Haarg | ah | 03:02 |
| +perlDreamer | so syntaxCheck.t fails | 03:02 |
| +perlDreamer | in any case, there's some good discussion in Ovid's 39074 post from brian_d_foy | 03:03 |
| @Haarg | sure, it has value if you are actually doing something with the result. but we really never do. | 03:04 |
| @Haarg | in the case where it is just used to skip the rest of the test, what actual value does it provide? | 03:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, maybe I'm wrong, but doesn't die prevent the END block from running? | 03:06 |
| @Haarg | no | 03:06 |
| +perlDreamer | when (if) we move to test Aggregate, will die cause the whole thing to fail? | 03:06 |
| @Haarg | no | 03:08 |
| +perlDreamer | well, in that case I have no unrebutted questions. Hack on. | 03:10 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r86bacc5 / (t/lib/WebGUI/PseudoRequest.pm t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): some small test library cleanups - http://bit.ly/IJNYv | 03:12 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r626e3ab / lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm : make buildHashRef faster - http://bit.ly/6ST4W | 03:12 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r464d0c2 / t/Shop/ShipDriver/USPS.t : correct test quantity for USPS ship driver - http://bit.ly/JkxHj | 03:12 |
| @Haarg | the other problem with syntaxCheck.t is that it is slow | 03:14 |
| @Haarg | checking all the modules is relatively quick, but it also tests the utility scripts and the upgrades | 03:14 |
| @Haarg | i could try to do something about that i suppose | 03:15 |
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| @Haarg | hello patspam | 03:16 |
| +patspam | hey haarg! | 03:17 |
| +patspam | just running out the door | 03:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: are there tests for 2 and 3 column cases for buildHashRef? | 03:17 |
| * patspam runs out the door | 03:18 | |
| @Haarg | 2 column, yes | 03:19 |
| @Haarg | looks like it doesn't test the 3+ column case | 03:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | could you please add the 3 column test, and then backport the test changes to the stable branch? | 03:24 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r07cc43d / (2 files in 2 dirs): Browser detection for calendar drop-down in IE8. - http://bit.ly/EXvhf | 03:24 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r6212548 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Move files to correct location, fix changelog. - http://bit.ly/M0EbR | 03:24 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5499515 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Browser detection for calendar drop-down in IE8. - http://bit.ly/14dAzB | 03:24 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * rab04037 / t/SQL.t : more tests for buildHashRef - http://bit.ly/28EKpw | 03:24 |
| @Haarg | i looked into hooking into DBI directly for logging instead of wrapping it like we do now | 03:27 |
| @Haarg | rather difficult to do unfortunately | 03:27 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * rd126677 / t/SQL.t : more tests for buildHashRef - http://bit.ly/Emo37 | 03:29 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * r43dffcb / (t/lib/WebGUI/PseudoRequest.pm t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): some small test library cleanups - http://bit.ly/mzQdO | 03:35 |
| +perlDreamer | that's odd. If I cherry pick a commit, it keeps the original poster's name | 03:36 |
| @Haarg | yep | 03:37 |
| +perlDreamer | but this one didn't: a194f6953bcb5effedc3f180c8dc61a5affc13f4 | 03:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I cherry-picked Hao's change back to 7.7 | 03:37 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, wait | 03:37 |
| +perlDreamer | merge conflict | 03:37 |
| @Haarg | you get listed as the committer though | 03:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I just wanted to understand why it behaved differently | 03:39 |
| +perlDreamer | that's too bad about the logging. | 03:40 |
| +perlDreamer | for DBI | 03:40 |
| @Haarg | i'm going to give it another shot at some point | 03:41 |
| +perlDreamer | also, like adding the automatic clean-up, as I work on the older tests I'll move them to use_ok or die | 03:41 |
| @Haarg | what i'd like to have happen is for DBI to log directly to log4perl, and have log4perl send logging info to webgui for inline display when it is appropriate. | 03:42 |
| @preaction | haven't you given up all hope for the most-correct answer to ever be possible or embraced? | 03:44 |
| @Haarg | nearly :) | 03:44 |
| @Haarg | well, my horribly hackish attempt to have syntaxCheck check scripts without running them or spawning another process has failed :( | 03:53 |
| daviddelikat | I've got a design question about help desk | 03:53 |
| daviddelikat | preaction: do you have a minute? | 03:54 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, preaction, are you around? | 04:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm here, back from dinner | 04:20 |
| +perlDreamer | are you sure we need to keep query logging? | 04:21 |
| @Haarg | http://gist.github.com/188291 | 04:21 |
| @Haarg | i'm not sure if that is too horrible or not | 04:21 |
| @Haarg | the query logging is quite useful, especially in live debug | 04:23 |
| @Haarg | with that change to syntaxCheck.t, it goes from 50 seconds to 6 for me | 04:24 |
| +perlDreamer | that's nice | 04:24 |
| +perlDreamer | but why does the use have to be wrapped inside a package? | 04:25 |
| @Haarg | it creates subs and variables | 04:25 |
| @Haarg | they have to go somewhere. best to keep them separate from the current namespace | 04:25 |
| +perlDreamer | true | 04:26 |
| @Haarg | hmm | 04:28 |
| +perlDreamer | it seems like there ought to be an easier way to do it | 04:37 |
| +perlDreamer | where by easier I mean shove the name of the module into some other module and have it do the work | 04:41 |
| +perlDreamer | and it would probably do nothing different from what you've done | 04:41 |
| +perlDreamer | it would appear that using the PigLatin translation breaks several WebGUI macros | 04:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, if a module appears in two different paths in @INC, which one wins? The one that comes first, or the one that comes last? | 04:46 |
| @Haarg | first | 04:46 |
| @Haarg | ok, so i think i have it working so it will only report warnings in the actual file we're loading | 04:48 |
| @Haarg | http://gist.github.com/188301 | 04:53 |
| @Haarg | seems to work well, it's just a question of if it is too ugly | 04:53 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, for shaving 92% out of a test execution time, we can live with a lot of ugly | 04:55 |
| @Haarg | it should pass on the WRE as well | 04:55 |
| +perlDreamer | would moving the sig handler out of the loop increase it any more? | 04:56 |
| @Haarg | probably not | 04:56 |
| @Haarg | should i rename that to 00_compile.t and have it bail out if there are compile errors? | 04:59 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 05:00 |
| +perlDreamer | definitely | 05:00 |
| @Haarg | i'm thinking have it only bail for compile errors on libraries | 05:00 |
| +perlDreamer | with a master compile checker, we don't need all the other use_ok's | 05:01 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r3049435 / (t/00_compile.t t/syntaxCheck.t): | 05:08 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: large revisions to syntax checker to be faster and more useful | 05:08 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: It now only fails for compile warnings in WebGUI files, not prereqs. | 05:08 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: The compile checks on the upgrades and utility scripts run much faster, | 05:08 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: resulting in the entire test taking about 10% of the time it previously | 05:08 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: did. It will also BAIL_OUT for any compile errors, preventing any other | 05:08 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: tests from being run. - http://bit.ly/2K0wLb | 05:08 |
| @Haarg | well, time to head home | 05:09 |
| +perlDreamer | backport? | 05:09 |
| @Haarg | it wouldn't hurt anything that i can think of | 05:10 |
| @Haarg | as long as it isn't broken :) | 05:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll give it a run, soon | 05:10 |
| @Haarg | i need to reinstall the WRE sometime. i have a bunch of modules upgraded on my current install. | 05:11 |
| +perlDreamer | me, too. They're all wgdev related. | 05:11 |
| @Haarg | which ones? | 05:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Test::NoWarnings, and one other | 05:11 |
| +perlDreamer | well, that isn't updated | 05:12 |
| +perlDreamer | it's extra | 05:12 |
| @Haarg | Exception::Class possibly? | 05:12 |
| +perlDreamer | could be | 05:12 |
| @Haarg | i had to add a workaround for old (wre) versions of that | 05:12 |
| @Haarg | i'm not using Test::NoWarnings anymore unfortunately | 05:12 |
| @Haarg | can't get it to work with done_testing like i want to | 05:13 |
| @Haarg | and it's really annoying for development | 05:13 |
| +perlDreamer | you like using done_testing? | 05:13 |
| @Haarg | better than no_plan certainly | 05:13 |
| @Haarg | i've been messing with the tests enough where i never was bothering to update the test count, so at least for now i'm using done_testing | 05:14 |
| +perlDreamer | well, given how well (or not well) I've been accounting for SKIP tests, it wouldn't hurt to adopt it in WebGUI, either | 05:15 |
| +perlDreamer | but that's going to have to wait for fewer bugs on the board. | 05:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd also like to experiment with using blib to find the WebGUI::Test | 05:16 |
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| CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * red7ab99 / (4 files in 4 dirs): bump version to 0.5.0 and note changes so far - http://bit.ly/OhrC3 | 05:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | whoop! New wgdev released :) | 06:00 |
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| elnino | Hi! looking at the help file for navigation... There is a template variable called "assetsToInclude" how do I use this? I'm searching the wikis... | 07:41 |
| +perlDreamer | In the Navigation asset, you choose a list of asset classes that you want to show up in the nav. | 07:42 |
| +perlDreamer | p.s. congratulations on the Community Award | 07:42 |
| elnino | Thanks. I don't see the ability to do such thing in 7.6.35, that's why I thought maybe it was a template variable to set or something. | 07:43 |
| elnino | and I'm a guru... | 07:43 |
| elnino | according to my ui settings | 07:43 |
| elnino | =) | 07:43 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, assetsToIncude is self, ancestors, descendant, etc. | 07:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I keep getting that confused with the assetLineage setting | 07:44 |
| elnino | oh. then the help file is miss leading. | 07:44 |
| elnino | oh. never mind. It's not. I was just reading it with the hope it was what I wanted. =) | 07:44 |
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| elnino | And thank you for making the award possible. =) | 07:45 |
| +perlDreamer | you're welcome :) | 07:45 |
| +perlDreamer | from what JT said, you earned it. | 07:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | I hate winnowing hashrefs | 07:49 |
| elnino | ok. another questions at the risk of sounding dumb again. | 07:57 |
| +perlDreamer | bring it | 07:57 |
| elnino | I see in the 7.6.x I can now access the propertyName of any asset in a page_loop. | 07:57 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 07:57 |
| elnino | I'm writing a nav template that will basically be a site map. | 07:58 |
| elnino | so If I want to show the icon.small for each "page" or "folder" or "file", I should be able to do: page.icon.small. right? | 07:58 |
| elnino | it doesn't display anything, so I'm wondering if it really konws what type of asset it is. | 07:59 |
| elnino | page.className works. | 07:59 |
| +perlDreamer | icon.small is not a property name :) | 08:00 |
| +perlDreamer | property names are asset properties | 08:00 |
| elnino | ie: field names? | 08:00 |
| elnino | in the db? | 08:00 |
| +perlDreamer | yes. Things in the definition subroutines | 08:00 |
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| elnino | in the nav help: "Please consult the template variables for each Asset type for a full list. " so I went to "folder template" help file, and saw "icon.small", granted it's only in the file_loop and subfolder_loop. | 08:03 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf4d19c4 / (3 files in 3 dirs): DataForms logs an error when it cannot load the requested form type. Fixes bug #10954. - http://bit.ly/4fnMl0 | 08:03 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb135936 / (3 files in 3 dirs): DataForms logs an error when it cannot load the requested form type. Fixes bug #10954. - http://bit.ly/T7YHK | 08:03 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4be50c6 / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Navigation.pm : Fix an i18n typo in the Navigation help. - http://bit.ly/12IV0U | 08:03 |
| elnino | so, it really meant, "look at the code" | 08:03 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r8fc553d / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Navigation.pm : Fix an i18n typo in the Navigation help. - http://bit.ly/gSYPw | 08:03 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8395d09 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Show thingy controls when maxEntriesPerUser is reached. Fixes bug #10950. - http://bit.ly/9nQOe | 08:03 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r14b184a / (3 files in 3 dirs): Show thingy controls when maxEntriesPerUser is reached. Fixes bug #10950. - http://bit.ly/3cZHH0 | 08:03 |
| elnino | I suppose there isn't a macro that displays the icon for a given class name? | 08:05 |
| * elnino looks at the baazar | 08:05 | |
| +perlDreamer | I haven't seen such a macro, but it would be very easy to make | 08:10 |
| +perlDreamer | the nav help is misleading on that | 08:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Each asset should have a set of template variables called Asset Template Variable Help | 08:12 |
| elnino | ok. I looked at WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Folder.pm, and see that there is a property called "icon" so I used var.page.icon in my tempplate with no luck. | 08:12 |
| +perlDreamer | one for Article, one for Folder, etc. | 08:12 |
| +perlDreamer | asset properties are one level deeper than that in the definition | 08:13 |
| elnino | oh, but it isn't under the "properties" | 08:13 |
| elnino | yep. just saw that. | 08:13 |
| +perlDreamer | right, the properties hash | 08:13 |
| elnino | grr. | 08:13 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a 1 hour macro, with i18n and tests | 08:13 |
| elnino | ok so why is "className" available? it's not in the properties hash... =) | 08:14 |
| +perlDreamer | className is a property in the Asset table | 08:14 |
| elnino | ok you got me. | 08:14 |
| elnino | =) | 08:14 |
| +perlDreamer | it's hard to keep it all straight | 08:15 |
| elnino | I'm trying to avoid macros with this client... I don't know where the site is going to be hosted. | 08:15 |
| +perlDreamer | so, any custom code is verboten? | 08:15 |
| elnino | I don't know. They never answer my questions. Can I "quit"? | 08:15 |
| +perlDreamer | not if you want to get paid :) | 08:15 |
| elnino | I don't even konw if I will. They won't answer my questions, I can't work, so I can't meet their deadline, so I can't get paid. =) | 08:16 |
| +perlDreamer | oy | 08:16 |
| +perlDreamer | here's an idea | 08:16 |
| elnino | I'm slowly learning this freelancing thing. It stinks. | 08:16 |
| elnino | I'm listening. | 08:17 |
| +perlDreamer | the asset icons are in the www/extras/assets/small/ | 08:17 |
| +perlDreamer | and it should be possible to build a lookup table to resolve classNames to icon names | 08:17 |
| +perlDreamer | and then build the image url by hand | 08:17 |
| +perlDreamer | it would have to be done in javascript | 08:18 |
| +perlDreamer | but that can live in templates | 08:18 |
| +perlDreamer | what do you think? | 08:18 |
| * elnino thinking | 08:20 | |
| @preaction | Template Toolkit, did either of you sit in on Steve's presentation? | 08:21 |
| @preaction | you might be able to do the same thing with TT | 08:21 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be easier with TT | 08:22 |
| +perlDreamer | but who knows if TT is available on the customer's hosting? | 08:22 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: why do you hate me? | 08:22 |
| elnino | I dont' know anything about TT. | 08:22 |
| elnino | addon ? | 08:22 |
| elnino | or is that the other template language. cuz that's the other possiblity | 08:22 |
| +perlDreamer | It's another template parser | 08:22 |
| +perlDreamer | it's much more powerful than HTML::Template | 08:23 |
| elnino | isn't it installed already with wre? | 08:23 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 08:24 |
| +perlDreamer | at least in 0.9.3 it is | 08:24 |
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| sanyock | hello All | 08:44 |
| sanyock | I am still looking how to fix a 7.6.35 matrix without futher upgrade, do you think it is possible ? | 08:45 |
| sanyock | It is a first time I wanted to place a comparision on the site :) and stuck it does not work | 08:46 |
| @preaction | why not just upgrade? | 08:46 |
| sanyock | I am afraid of upgrade earlier to than 7.7.35-7.7.40 | 08:46 |
| sanyock | There are several other hosted websites | 08:47 |
| @preaction | uh.. so you're afraid of putting all the code, but not afraid of just putting some of the code | 08:47 |
| sanyock | I would like to move to the 7.7.x after this branch is not being developped anymore | 08:48 |
| @preaction | which branch? 7.6 is over | 08:49 |
| sanyock | I have 7.6.35 | 08:49 |
| @preaction | and why wait until the branch is no longer being developed? it just means that there are bugs that will never get fixed | 08:49 |
| @preaction | which is why you're here, now, asking me how to fix bugs in your 7.6 branch without going to 7.7 | 08:50 |
| sanyock | When bug tracker displayed versions, it was often noticable that latest version of not deleopped branch had a very few bugs or not at all | 08:51 |
| sanyock | (previous version of bug tracker) | 08:51 |
| @preaction | every bug right now in the bug tracker is most likely in your 7.6.35 | 08:51 |
| @preaction | it just appears that way because people stop reporting bugs to old versions, because they upgraded | 08:52 |
| sanyock | How about new feature bugs which could influence even previously existing functionality | 08:52 |
| @preaction | there is no software without bugs, period | 08:52 |
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| sanyock | agree, but looking for a way to avoid them :) | 08:53 |
| sanyock | Compared to stable/testing/sid | 08:53 |
| @preaction | the way to get bugfixes applied to your server is to upgrade | 08:53 |
| sanyock | Debian stable is for sure more stable than testing/sid | 08:53 |
| sanyock | May be I will try the latest stable | 08:54 |
| @preaction | and yet, debian stable still gets security bugfixes | 08:54 |
| @preaction | it doesn't get non-critical bugfixes, that's what testing gets | 08:54 |
| @preaction | so there are known bugs in debian stable that will never be fixed | 08:54 |
| sanyock | strange that new demo site works fine with new matrix but old upgraded does not even with a new matrix | 08:54 |
| sanyock | I agree that bugs exist in every software (even stable), but "stable" bugs are in very rare used features/ocasions, that is why they have not been found earlier | 08:56 |
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| @preaction | not always the case, but the point remains: if you want a bugfix from a recent release, you must upgrade to that release | 08:57 |
| @preaction | the alternative requires a lot more knowledge, work, and is decidedly less stable (if it works at all) | 08:58 |
| sanyock | I will try may be on a test version at first | 08:58 |
| @preaction | the fixed version of whatever component was not tested with old versions of other components, it was tested with the versions of the components that come with the fix | 08:58 |
| sanyock | If it fixes my matrix issue I wll try to apply on production server. | 08:58 |
| sanyock | going to try on a test server at first | 08:59 |
| sanyock | Btw, sometimes PlainBlack provided a very bug clean version, when not going to more features until all existing bugs fixed | 09:00 |
| sanyock | I mean all reported and confirmed bugs (not actually existing) | 09:01 |
| @preaction | take that long-standing bug with the user profile system. there is no way to fix it until 8.0, where we can break APIs | 09:02 |
| @preaction | and just because all the found bugs are fixed doesn't mean there aren't bugs to find. fixing bugs can cause bugs | 09:02 |
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| sanyock | sure, (not actually existing) = (not actually all existing) | 09:04 |
| sanyock | WebGUI is already a very feature rich CMS, do you think it will include all app like CRM, PM, Groupware, etc. ? :) | 09:06 |
| sanyock | sometimes in the future | 09:06 |
| @preaction | it already includes a PM, a CRM can be made through Thingy, what is "groupware"? | 09:06 |
| sanyock | Groupware can be thought as MS Exchnage like feature set with funambol integration to sync to any device | 09:07 |
| @preaction | there is a desire to support CalDAV in the future, and integrate with WebDAV as well | 09:08 |
| sanyock | Interesting | 09:09 |
| sanyock | Btw, there is a completelly open source (without paid addons from the company/dev group) groupware server - "Citadel Groupware" (debianized) | 09:10 |
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| sanyock | They have a server component integrated with funambol but may be (IMHO) poor/buggy http GUI | 09:10 |
| sanyock | May be their server component could be a good friend for WebGUI integration | 09:11 |
| sanyock | They had something like they wanting to integrate to some CMS on the road map | 09:12 |
| elnino | I'm adding datatable... What is the table's name, so I can create an sql report? | 09:33 |
| elnino | ew. That's nasty. | 09:38 |
| elnino | found the "datatable" table. | 09:38 |
| elnino | well, it's slick, for some uses, but not what I was hoping to use it for. I'lluse thingy I guess. | 09:39 |
| sanyock | SQL report can be created for any table, cannot it? | 09:43 |
| elnino | hmm. I have a thingy with two fields: beginSN and endSN, but I want to search for the Serial Number between the begin and end SN. Is that possible? | 09:43 |
| elnino | sanyock, the datatable contains ONE row for the entire "datatable" table I "created". It's a hash table, not a real one.. | 09:44 |
| sanyock | What is a "hash" table, do you store some hash values there? | 09:45 |
| elnino | a two dimensional array | 09:46 |
| sanyock | some representation of it in a single field? | 09:46 |
| elnino | in my case it looked lke this: http://pastebin.com/m7409d54b | 09:47 |
| sanyock | btw, does mysql support arrays natively? | 09:47 |
| sanyock | Is it JASON? | 09:48 |
| elnino | what you see at http://pastebin.com/m7409d54b is contained in ONE FIELD of ONE row. that represents my three column, two row table. | 09:48 |
| elnino | looks like it could be JASON. | 09:49 |
| sanyock | JSON | 09:50 |
| elnino | right. I'ts 2AM =) | 09:50 |
| sanyock | 1 PM here ;) | 09:50 |
| sanyock | Why do you work at night? | 09:52 |
| elnino | because I have two children that I watch during the day. =) | 09:54 |
| sanyock | Could you place them in a locked comfortable child room under a video cam? | 09:55 |
| sanyock | during working in the day | 09:55 |
| sanyock | say work 4 hours, then play x hours, then work more 4 hours | 09:56 |
| sanyock | Its just ideas not suggestions | 09:56 |
| sanyock | I have not children so I cannot know for sure | 09:56 |
| elnino | Actually, I can work with them around, This isn't normal. I'm up this late because I'm getting intense about the project I'm working on. | 09:57 |
| sanyock | Do you have a contract for the project? | 09:58 |
| elnino | yes. | 09:58 |
| elnino | Plus, they are quite young, so I do get a lot of interruptions from them. | 09:58 |
| sanyock | I see | 09:59 |
| sanyock | Btw, are you a father or a mother :) | 09:59 |
| sanyock | May be I should not distruct you from the project too, but would like to chat a little | 10:01 |
| sanyock | What is the project goal if it is not under NDA? | 10:01 |
| elnino | Sorry, I can't chat too much, I really should go to bed I need to be up early in the morning. This particular portion is a literature look up by product's serial number. I'd do custom code, but I'm not sure if that is an option on the hosting server. | 10:03 |
| sanyock | It seams strange for me to use a db storage for JSON formated content provided there is no support for queries from the db | 10:04 |
| sanyock | I would suggest a hosting where it is allowed, but not sure if I am allowed to do this here :) | 10:05 |
| elnino | "datatable" I believe is meant to just display data in a table format. The asset allows you to sort the data by column. I think that is really it's only purpose. Not for look up like I need. | 10:05 |
| elnino | I made several suggestions of hosting places, but they haven't made up their minds. I'm using my server for now. | 10:06 |
| elnino | - a bit frustrating I might add - it'd be nice to know wher the site will be hosted. | 10:06 |
| elnino | =( | 10:06 |
| sanyock | I sent a private message to you | 10:07 |
| sanyock | I hope soon there will be an excellent Omega hosting panel | 10:08 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12349 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_Collaboration.pm Asset_DataForm.pm): Update from translation server | 14:08 |
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| carogray | hello - good morning. | 14:32 |
| ryuu_ro | how are you | 14:32 |
| carogray | ok, you? | 14:33 |
| ryuu_ro | great, i was actually thinking about the song: hello, good morning, how are you...... | 14:33 |
| ryuu_ro | how is your weather today | 14:33 |
| carogray | you must be feeling great, to be thinking of a song... don't know it. | 14:34 |
| carogray | weather - still a little early to tell, feels and looks like it might rain | 14:34 |
| ryuu_ro | yep everything is going right for me today :) | 14:34 |
| carogray | terrific | 14:34 |
| carogray | would you happen to know if there is a problem in 7.7.20 (we were just upgraded last night) so that you can't see the HTML code in HTML window from Rich Text Editor- using FF ? | 14:35 |
| ryuu_ro | I haven't upgraded yet i'm still on 7.6.35 | 14:36 |
| carogray | ok doke - will check in with PB people when they are up..cheers | 14:37 |
| ryuu_ro | good luck! | 14:37 |
| carogray | thanks | 14:40 |
| carogray | I hope the rest of your day works out as well as it has begun:) | 14:40 |
| ryuu_ro | thanks, I think it will | 14:45 |
| carogray | if you're happy I am happy | 14:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, webgui people! | 17:31 |
| +danny_mk | morning | 17:33 |
| ryuu_ro | time to go home :) | 17:45 |
| +perlDreamer | good night :) | 17:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I have to take the kids to school, bbiaw | 17:45 |
| ryuu_ro | thanks, and good luck with the kids ;) | 17:46 |
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| CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r7ba61c6 / (lib/WGDev/Asset.pm t/wgdev-asset.t t/wgdev.t): 100% testing coverage of WGDev::Asset - http://bit.ly/3zVEDh | 18:43 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * rb3366fd / inc/WGDev/Builder.pm : add some comments to distexec code - http://bit.ly/1eD0w4 | 18:43 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r129b31a / lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm : add the ability to import a specific database creation script to the reset command - http://bit.ly/1SpPuA | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Go Haarg go! | 18:51 |
| @Haarg | heh. stuff i did last night instead of sleeping. | 18:52 |
| @tavisto | bah sleep is for humans | 18:55 |
| @Haarg | yay github is being DDOS'ed again | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | is that why they were down yesterday? | 19:01 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 19:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | grrr | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | with Github down, I can't ask you to look at a Gist, can I? | 19:04 |
| @Haarg | it's not down entirely | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/188549 | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm trying to i18n the datepicker to close a bug | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | but it seems like I've broken something, and I don't understand what | 19:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | when the form control calls YAHOO.WebGUI.Form.DatePicker.display(this), it says that this.calendar does not exist. | 19:07 |
| mducharme-work | hrm | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | what's up mducharme-work? | 19:07 |
| mducharme-work | the 7.7.20 upgrade appears to have fixed the photo upload issue, but I'm still seeing other issues | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | in the story manager? | 19:08 |
| mducharme-work | I'm seeing Last Updated 1 Minute(s) ago By <blank> | 19:08 |
| mducharme-work | yeah | 19:08 |
| mducharme-work | when I update the story it is not putting my name on it | 19:08 |
| mducharme-work | and the display templates themselves still look sorta ugly | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | that's by design | 19:09 |
| mducharme-work | for the storytopic and storymanager, they appear to have not changed | 19:09 |
| mducharme-work | ok | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | they want someone else to style them | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | as to By, you have to use a byline? | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | it won't insert your name by default | 19:09 |
| mducharme-work | ahh ok | 19:09 |
| mducharme-work | there really should be some kind of popup text that explains what those fields are for | 19:10 |
| mducharme-work | becuase I never would have known that that was what byline was for | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | hm, hoverhelp | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | in a templated edit form | 19:10 |
| @Haarg | ugh. i wrote that datepicker didn't i? horrible. | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: datepicker is fine, I broke it with my gnarly JS i18n code | 19:11 |
| @Haarg | should be an object you instantiate, not a global object | 19:11 |
| mducharme-work | yeah that would be quite nice | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | mducharme-work: that would be a great RFE, and not overly difficult. If you submit that, I'm pretty sure it would be done before 7.8 was closed for development | 19:11 |
| mducharme-work | because there are lots of fields there and I'm not always clear as to the difference | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | difference? | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, like between title and headline, and subtitle, and such? | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | my Story Manager talk covered all that | 19:12 |
| mducharme-work | yes | 19:12 |
| mducharme-work | but there are several people here doing news updates | 19:12 |
| mducharme-work | I don't want to have to give them all a paper list of what the fields mean | 19:12 |
| mducharme-work | they will lose the paper or something etc | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | in the meantime, you could create a custom editing template with instructions stuck in the top of it | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | or, even, hide the fields that you don't want to use | 19:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think I see it | 19:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, I don't | 19:18 |
| @Haarg | needs onpreload.obj | 19:20 |
| mducharme-work | hrm, is there a way to display a thumbnail of the main picture beside the news article? | 19:21 |
| mducharme-work | in the storymanager? | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | mducharme-work, someone asked about that in my talk, and it may have been submitted as an RFE. | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, the idea was to build a YUI-carousel in the storyarchive, and the story topics | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | but it amounts to the same thing, exposing more information in those interfaces. | 19:22 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, you see what i mean with the onpreload.obj? | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | essentially, I told it to make a subroutine call, when it really wants to be an object | 19:24 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | can I pass the class through the init call? | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/188562 | 19:26 |
| @Haarg | not sure i follow | 19:27 |
| @Haarg | that gist looks right though | 19:28 |
| @Haarg | although you should be able to use this. instead of YAHOO.WebGUI.Form.DatePicker. | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what I meant :) | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I bet we could shave a couple of % off of the translations if we removed the duplicate labels save, cancel, etc. | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ: please tell Bart that there's a whole raft of i18n coming out in 7.8.0 | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we need a translators forum? | 19:42 |
| @Haarg | looking at profiling stuff, the main things slowing webgui down for simple pages for visitors are i18n and Tie::IxHash | 19:50 |
| +perlDreamer | is it the i18n and Tie inside definition, or their use throughout? | 19:51 |
| @Haarg | definition | 19:51 |
| @Haarg | the other major costs are database calls but we're not really going to get away from that | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | no, but we can make them more smartly | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | like what you found with the 2 vs 3 column buildHashRef stuff | 19:52 |
| @Haarg | although the fact that Layout calls getLineage twice to get its children for one view is less than ideal | 19:52 |
| @Haarg | there are a lot of places i'd like to change to using DBI more directly, but that's problematic as long as it doesn't log the queries | 19:53 |
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| @Haarg | http://github.com/haarg/webgui/tree/dbi-trace if you are interested | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | that brings up a question. For doing cross branch code moves, I've been using cherry-pick | 19:54 |
| @Haarg | it does work somewhat, although only for mysql | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | for doing more than 1 commit at a time, should I make a separate branch, or is there a way to merge multiple commits? | 19:55 |
| @Haarg | i usually use cherry pick | 19:55 |
| @Haarg | the other option is to do all bugfixing in the stable branch and merge that into the beta branch, but that will be problematic for a number of reasons | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol: your job security has been increased today | 19:56 |
| +BartJol | how come? | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | great big i18n commit on the way | 19:57 |
| +BartJol | 7.8.0? | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | and 7.7.21 | 19:57 |
| +BartJol | still have to think of a way to sync those 2 branches | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, they stay converged for a while, until all the new features start to get added | 19:58 |
| +BartJol | well, all the fixes in english are mostly in the new stuff | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | the i18n is for the javascript datepicker | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | all labels and buttons are now i18n'ed | 20:01 |
| +BartJol | I don't do javascript | 20:01 |
| +BartJol | well, I did a couple of times, but don't tell anyone | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | this uses preaction's nifty AJAX i18n object to make calls back to the WebGUI i18n system | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | so all you (and Klaus) need to do is add more labels, and whammo, it will work fine | 20:02 |
| +BartJol | ah, but it appears I'm going to a concert, so I'll see the piles of i18n | 20:05 |
| +BartJol | when is 7.8 coming out? | 20:05 |
| +BartJol | oh and from which version will the upgrade script work from stable to beta? | 20:05 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.6.35 to 7.7.something close to 17 | 20:06 |
| @Haarg | 7.7.19 | 20:07 |
| +BartJol | since I noticed that webgui.org is still on 7.7.19 | 20:07 |
| +BartJol | ah | 20:07 |
| +BartJol | gone to far again | 20:07 |
| +BartJol | oh, that is the one on my server, not on my laptop | 20:07 |
| +BartJol | I can do both, cool | 20:08 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbb10f0e / (7 files in 4 dirs): i18n the datepicker. fixes bug #10976. - http://bit.ly/kSGOY | 20:09 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rdd52326 / (7 files in 4 dirs): i18n the datepicker. fixes bug #10976. - http://bit.ly/4czBX | 20:09 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r25c143b / t/supporting_collateral/PigLatin.pm : Give Pig Latin a valid locale. - http://bit.ly/FIiV7 | 20:51 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb09a153 / t/supporting_collateral/PigLatin.pm : Give Pig Latin a valid locale. - http://bit.ly/4ftCRk | 20:51 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra6cb7d2 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm : Use a fresh copy of the DataForm after doing autocommits for move and delete. - http://bit.ly/DMYWO | 22:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7349cf5 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm : Use a fresh copy of the DataForm after doing autocommits for move and delete. - http://bit.ly/DwUDo | 22:04 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: figured it out then? | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | perhaps | 22:05 |
| @preaction | sweet | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd need to hotpatch webgui.org to fully test it out | 22:06 |
| @preaction | go ahead | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | maniacal laughter ensues | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | here we go! | 22:09 |
| * preaction is all braced! | 22:10 | |
| @preaction | FIRE IN THE HOLE | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | nope | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | but it does prevent the asset from falsely displaying that it is locked | 22:11 |
| @preaction | still happening? | 22:11 |
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| @preaction | what if something on the page is making the DataForm get accessed more than once? | 22:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's all URL based. | 22:30 |
| +perlDreamer | and that doesn't explain why sometimes it doesn't move at all | 22:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I have to take a phone call, bbiab | 22:30 |
| @preaction | the "doesn't move at all" might have been because the two moves created "no move at all" | 22:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll add some tracing code, and see what that turns up | 22:34 |
| +perlDreamer | it _is_ getting called twice | 22:42 |
| mducharme-work | is there a way in the story manager template to display fields besides just the title? | 22:53 |
| mducharme-work | with collaboration system we used to display the summary of a news article in the list as well | 22:53 |
| mducharme-work | I don't see in the help an option to display the headline or subtitle in the story archive | 22:54 |
| +perlDreamer | that's correct, only the title, creationDate, and the URL are available in the loop of stories in the story Archive | 22:55 |
| mducharme-work | ugh | 22:56 |
| mducharme-work | ok | 22:56 |
| mducharme-work | I think you will see a few storymanager RFE's from me in the next few days | 22:56 |
| mducharme-work | lol | 22:56 |
| +perlDreamer | awesome! | 22:58 |
| mducharme-work | hrm | 23:04 |
| mducharme-work | I can't find help for storytopic | 23:04 |
| mducharme-work | are the variables available the same as those in story archive templates? | 23:05 |
| mducharme-work | dammit, my work wants me to skip out of university classes for a day to go to a conference | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | the variables are different between the Archive and the Topic | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | and the Help is in there, just search the Help screen for Topic | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | it should be organized to be easily scannable, but is not | 23:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: for a second I thought it might be the commit mode, but that doesn't make a difference | 23:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | off to pick up the kids, bbiaw | 00:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | stupid, vile, insipid piece of hardware | 00:54 |
| * SDuensin senses a box with Windows on it. | 01:02 | |
| +perlDreamer | no, it's a Dell | 01:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | there is Windows on the box, but it's safely constrained to a VM | 01:26 |
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| SDuensin | perlDreamer - Whew! | 01:31 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r255abcd / (3 files in 3 dirs): Set correct defaults for icalFeeds in existant calendars. Fixes bug #11005 - http://bit.ly/ArDqt | 01:39 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r354fd2d / (3 files in 3 dirs): Set correct defaults for icalFeeds in existant calendars. Fixes bug #11005 - http://bit.ly/RWvZX | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | now, that's a cool commit | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | 255 abcd | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | in testEnvironment.pl, for checkModule, does anyone remember what skipInstall=1 used to do? | 01:42 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * reac2099 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt sbin/testEnvironment.pl): Mark Testing modules as optional, fixes bug #11008. - http://bit.ly/6rWJn | 01:44 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r163df59 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt sbin/testEnvironment.pl): Mark Testing modules as optional, fixes bug #11008. - http://bit.ly/GjiMp | 01:44 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1a1d78a / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/AssetAspect_RssFeed.pm : Add missing datestamps to RssFeed i18n file. - http://bit.ly/D5KQy | 01:58 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6c4d146 / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/AssetAspect_RssFeed.pm : Add missing datestamps to RssFeed i18n file. - http://bit.ly/2KBnNR | 01:58 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rdd9a78d / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix Subscribable aspect i18n. Fixes bug #11003. - http://bit.ly/KlFV5 | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, preaction, I messed up a commit earlier today, I'll fix it later today, perhaps tonight. | 02:44 |
| +perlDreamer | or maybe tomorrow | 02:45 |
| SDuensin | or NEVER!!!! Muhahaha! | 02:45 |
| +perlDreamer | what you been drinking, SD? | 02:48 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r18b325e / (2 files): Fix a backported merge problem with upgrade scripts. - http://bit.ly/X75yV | 02:48 |
| SDuensin | Oh, that's yet to come. There's a HUGE (ok, several huge) Long Islands in my immediate future. | 02:48 |
| +perlDreamer | business? | 02:49 |
| SDuensin | sucks | 02:49 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, man | 02:50 |
| SDuensin | too much to do, too little help/time/funding. | 02:50 |
| * perlDreamer heads off to a school function. Be back much, much later... | 02:51 | |
| SDuensin | later! | 02:51 |
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| +SynQ | hm | 11:25 |
| +SynQ | goooood morning | 11:25 |
| +SynQ | I think I'm going slightly mad | 11:25 |
| +SynQ | I thought the webgui upgrade went from 7.6.35 -> 7.7.19 | 11:26 |
| +SynQ | but there is an upgrade script that takes it from 7.6.35 to 7.7.17 | 11:26 |
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| @preaction | no, you're not mad, the upgrade works | 11:29 |
| @preaction | but i'd use the one in 7.7.20 anyway | 11:29 |
| +SynQ | uh | 11:30 |
| +SynQ | so just do 7.6.35 -> 7.7.20 ? | 11:30 |
| @preaction | yes | 11:30 |
| @preaction | and from there you can decide whether or not to go to 7.8.0 | 11:31 |
| +SynQ | ah | 11:31 |
| +SynQ | that sounds like perfect to me | 11:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | HOWDY!!!!!!! | 16:03 |
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| +SynQ | upgrading webgui.nl :) | 16:07 |
| +SynQ | is webgui 7.8.0 out yet? | 16:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | what think you self??? | 16:09 |
| +SynQ | I think it whol | 16:09 |
| +SynQ | and now then | 16:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | that though I all | 16:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it is fault | 16:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | snap you? | 16:10 |
| +SynQ | I snap it, but when is it going to be clear then? | 16:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | als the time ripe is | 16:11 |
| +SynQ | when the rapes are gear | 16:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | hope-body comes that there no from | 16:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | otherwise waves there what | 16:12 |
| +SynQ | I will give you a turn over your ears then | 16:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh hold up | 16:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | that can you wholymeal not | 16:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | i will stick there a strick for | 16:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | stick* | 16:14 |
| +SynQ | then I will strick someone else for that | 16:14 |
| +bartjol | let me guess | 16:15 |
| +SynQ | guesst! | 16:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | thera hoove you tog not to afterthink over? | 16:16 |
| +SynQ | betire you there not with | 16:16 |
| +bartjol | harry from deheeg speaks more dudelike than joe | 16:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | who have you it over? | 16:17 |
| +SynQ | calculate but from yes that harry from deheeg speaks more pointingly than we | 16:18 |
| +SynQ | is it friday? | 16:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | feeday! | 16:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | freeday* | 16:19 |
| +bartjol | aftermiddags even | 16:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | even indeed | 16:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | is there all beer? | 16:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | i have thirst say but | 16:20 |
| +SynQ | know you well? | 16:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | I grave you completely | 16:21 |
| +SynQ | with you can I speak | 16:22 |
| +bartjol | I am it drunk | 16:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes | 16:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | the cook is up | 16:25 |
| +SynQ | no pink ones anymore? | 16:28 |
| +bartjol | decay now but on | 16:28 |
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| +SynQ | intergalactic! | 16:34 |
| +bartjol | sabotage | 16:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 16:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | definately sabotage | 16:36 |
| +bartjol | any Idea why my far away address is removed from my session? | 16:37 |
| +bartjol | far away sending address | 16:38 |
| * MrHairgrease didn't do it | 16:38 | |
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| +danny_mk | arrrggghhhhh..... | 16:41 |
| +danny_mk | I tried various upgrades from 6.35->7.7.19 | 16:42 |
| +danny_mk | I even install wre on my linux box (same system) but I can't upgrade | 16:42 |
| +danny_mk | it always fails with: Can't call method "setScratch" on an undefined value at ../lib/WebGUI/AssetTrash.pm line 312 | 16:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | You are using the correct upgrade path are you? | 16:43 |
| +danny_mk | OK, let me explain | 16:44 |
| +SynQ | danny_mk: use 7.7.20 | 16:44 |
| +SynQ | that is better | 16:44 |
| +danny_mk | I have my system working on 7.6.35 NO wre | 16:44 |
| +SynQ | 10:29 <@preaction> no, you're not mad, the upgrade works | 16:44 |
| +SynQ | 10:29 <@preaction> but i'd use the one in 7.7.20 anyway | 16:44 |
| +SynQ | why don't you have WRE? | 16:44 |
| +danny_mk | I tried upgrading at least 10 times using the upgrade before I installed wre | 16:45 |
| +danny_mk | I have wre now | 16:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | dannymk | 16:45 |
| +SynQ | 0.9.3 ? | 16:45 |
| +danny_mk | hold on let me check | 16:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | from 6.6.35 you should first go to 6.8.10 | 16:45 |
| +SynQ | 7.6.35 to 7.7.20 works like a charm | 16:46 |
| +SynQ | I have just upgraded 7 servers | 16:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | also old webguis won't work on new wre's | 16:46 |
| +SynQ | no problems at all | 16:46 |
| +danny_mk | is 7.6.35 considered old? | 16:46 |
| +danny_mk | database still restoring :-( | 16:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 16:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | wait | 16:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | I read 6.6.35 | 16:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | nm | 16:46 |
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| +danny_mk | OK, everything back to 6.35 | 16:48 |
| +danny_mk | wre-0.9.3-rhel-5-ia32.tar.gz | 16:48 |
| +danny_mk | so I decided to break down and install wre and that worked great | 16:49 |
| +SynQ | good plan | 16:49 |
| +danny_mk | now my websites are working on wre | 16:49 |
| +danny_mk | however the upgrade still failed | 16:49 |
| +SynQ | are you using any custom code? | 16:49 |
| +danny_mk | sure | 16:49 |
| +danny_mk | who isn't :-) | 16:49 |
| +SynQ | ah | 16:49 |
| +SynQ | have you looked at /data/wre/var/logs/* | 16:50 |
| +SynQ | especially webgui.log | 16:50 |
| +danny_mk | yes, plenty but let me check again | 16:50 |
| +SynQ | and the modperl.error.log | 16:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | just tail -f it while upgrading | 16:50 |
| +SynQ | also very interesting | 16:50 |
| +danny_mk | webgui.log is empty | 16:50 |
| +danny_mk | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2009-09-16 00:02 webgui.log | 16:50 |
| +danny_mk | hmmmm... something is not making sense | 16:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | put log.conf on WARN frst | 16:51 |
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| +MrHairgrease | also make sure that the file is writable by the upgarde user | 16:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | and check that the path is what you think it is | 16:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | by default lg.conf is pointing to /var/log/webgui.conf i think | 16:52 |
| +SynQ | /var/log/webgui.log I hope | 16:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | indeed | 16:52 |
| +danny_mk | yes | 16:52 |
| +danny_mk | that is where it is | 16:52 |
| +SynQ | YSLOW maintenance score: Overall performance score 97 | 16:53 |
| +SynQ | that is a good score | 16:53 |
| +danny_mk | OK, I will try the upgrade using 7.7.20 | 16:55 |
| +danny_mk | I will empty out the logs | 16:55 |
| +danny_mk | word to the wise "Don't rename your webgui database after a backup!" :-) | 17:01 |
| +danny_mk | and restore | 17:01 |
| +SynQ | where is the perldreamer!? | 17:02 |
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| @bopbop | it's still pretty early where he lives | 17:03 |
| +danny_mk | bopbop: any feedback from the OpenId presentation? I want to know if I should continue work on that project | 17:06 |
| @bopbop | don't know off the top of my head, but I'll check for you | 17:07 |
| +SynQ | bopbop: he is awake though | 17:07 |
| +SynQ | I saw a bugfix by him | 17:07 |
| +danny_mk | thanks | 17:07 |
| +SynQ | danny_mk: the best would be to just integrate that stuff in the new auth system for webgui 8.0 | 17:07 |
| @bopbop | yeah, but if the kids are in the house he usually isn't out here yet... busy w/ them | 17:07 |
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| +danny_mk | I have to arrange that with JT, not sure were he is on the new auth system | 17:08 |
| +danny_mk | is he the one writing it or is there someone else doing it? | 17:08 |
| +SynQ | danny_mk: it's only in the 'no spec yet' phase | 17:09 |
| +danny_mk | I would definitely like to help if I can with the new auth system | 17:09 |
| +danny_mk | I still have to take some time to learn git | 17:10 |
| +danny_mk | I use cvs and subversion all the time so it should not be hard | 17:10 |
| +SynQ | danny_mk: I guess you'll have plenty of time for that | 17:10 |
| +SynQ | months I guess | 17:10 |
| +danny_mk | ah, yes, I was in that presentation. Target date is sometime 2011, right? | 17:11 |
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| @bopbop | there you go synQ! | 17:27 |
| @bopbop | does anyone know what the GraphViz module is? | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://graphviz.org/ | 17:37 |
| @bopbop | ah, thank you MrHairgrease | 17:38 |
| @bopbop | danny_mk: the surveys turned in at the WUC didn't have any mention of your presentation specifically | 17:40 |
| @bopbop | so I can't pass along any feedback (sorry) | 17:40 |
| +danny_mk | hmmm... I guess it is up to JT, is there any other way to get a hold of him other than waiting to see if he shows up here? | 17:40 |
| @bopbop | you could try emailing him | 17:41 |
| @bopbop | or post to the dev list | 17:41 |
| +SynQ | danny_mk: JT won't show up here | 17:41 |
| +SynQ | ask a question on the dev list | 17:41 |
| +danny_mk | OK | 17:41 |
| +SynQ | that is prolly the best way | 17:41 |
| +danny_mk | I will try that route | 17:42 |
| +SynQ | perlDreamer: my man! | 17:42 |
| +perlDreamer | on phone, sorry | 17:42 |
| +SynQ | don't be sorry, be happy! | 17:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm sorry that I can't talk to you right now, but will be right back | 17:43 |
| +SynQ | I'm not talking to you, I'm shouting at you! :) | 17:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | bopbop: do the Thingy's on your training site have Security tabs? | 18:00 |
| @bopbop | yes | 18:01 |
| @bopbop | not for you? | 18:01 |
| +perlDreamer | wrong UI level :( | 18:01 |
| @bopbop | you're at 9 | 18:02 |
| +perlDreamer | On _your_ site, yes | 18:02 |
| @bopbop | ah | 18:03 |
| @bopbop | ok | 18:03 |
| @bopbop | perlDreamer: are you going to completely rewrite Thingy for me so that Things become children? | 18:03 |
| +SynQ | Caught exception executing workflow activity SWHs3shndnc8LuLpmLeeNw for instance 3GuJ1h705VblRJOV222jPA which reported Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/CalendarUpdateFeeds.pm line 105. | 18:04 |
| @bopbop | you don't have anything to do this weekend anyway, right? | 18:04 |
| +SynQ | that doesn't sound good | 18:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | SynQ: as I said just do ln -s /dev/null /data/wre/var/logs/webgui.log | 18:04 |
| +SynQ | hehe | 18:04 |
| +SynQ | no chance | 18:04 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 18:20 |
| +SynQ | hail | 18:21 |
| SquOnk | Sorry if my question seems innocent but, what's the point of the In Out Board? | 18:21 |
| +danny_mk | your boss keeping track of the time you come in and the time you go home? | 18:22 |
| +danny_mk | and breaks in between :-) | 18:22 |
| SquOnk | danny_mk: Got it | 18:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ: that bug is fixed in 7.7.21 and 7.8.0. JT posted it 2 days ago. | 18:27 |
| SquOnk | There used to be a XML-RPC/SOAP Asset, wasn't there? | 18:27 |
| SquOnk | WebService or something along the lines. | 18:27 |
| @bopbop | yes | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, it was removed from the core due to low interest and usage | 18:32 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I see. I presume it's in the Bazaar. | 18:32 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: ...and it does work, right? | 18:33 |
| @Haarg | it works as much as it ever did | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, I've only set it up once, for debugging purposes | 18:33 |
| * SquOnk considers creating a package webgui-extras with those things | 18:33 | |
| @Haarg | as in, not very well | 18:33 |
| SquOnk | Oh. | 18:33 |
| @Haarg | http://github.com/plainblack/wsclient | 18:33 |
| SquOnk | I think I might need to use it in the near future. | 18:33 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: Thank you | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, hows 7.6.35.2 doing? Did it make it into Squeezy testing? | 18:33 |
| @Haarg | it's just a very problematic approach to doing SOAP | 18:34 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Long story short: libjs-yui is held in Sid because some-crap-in-php doesn't work at all with the latest YUI. | 18:34 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: libjs-yui's maintainer just uploaded a specially versioned package for some-crap-in-php | 18:34 |
| @Haarg | especially since SOAP::Lite doesn't work with many services without a bunch of extra work | 18:34 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: ...so in 10 days or so, there will be two libjs-yui, they will get pushed onto Squeezy and then we win. | 18:35 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Regarding 7.7, I've already packaged an uploaded the *::Packer modules | 18:35 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: ...and the Businness::TAX... that was also missing. | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | people have asked about a 7.6.35.3, so it sounds like it would be best if I held off on that | 18:36 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I think so too | 18:36 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Some of the requirements for 7.7 imply we have to wait for Perl 5.10.1 to hit Sid, but I don't have a date for that. | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI doesn't require that 5.10.1, nor do any of the sub requirements, afaik | 18:37 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Well, it does. The requirements for Digest::MD5, Archive::Tar and Archive::ZIP imply 5.10.1 | 18:41 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: The versions stated in testEnvironment are those that became core with 5.10.1 | 18:41 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Debian doesn't repack modules once they become core. | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I see | 18:42 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: 5.10.1 is already in Debian Experimental, which is a big step forward | 18:44 |
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| SquOnk | BTW, the spanish translation is almost at 70% | 18:49 |
| +bartjol | multo bueno | 18:51 |
| +bartjol | if that's Spanish | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | great job, SquOnk! | 18:53 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: Muito bon is portuguese. Muy bien or muy bueno is spanish | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | 2009 must be the year of translation | 18:54 |
| +bartjol | everyone is jealous of my enormous | 18:55 |
| +bartjol | popularity | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, are you doing this yourself, or do you have help? | 18:56 |
| +SynQ | hehe: The URL * was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree. | 18:56 |
| +bartjol | load alll pages at once | 18:56 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Myself. | 18:56 |
| +bartjol | it was without the -R option | 18:56 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: In some cases, the customer doesn't understand the translation, so I fix it. | 18:56 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: In other cases, the translation simply does not exist, so I create it. | 18:57 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: And there are cases where the wording or phrasing is not quite spanish or is needlessly long | 18:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm probably responsible for a few of those. | 18:57 |
| SquOnk | ...so I make it spanishy or shorter | 18:58 |
| +bartjol | /gevat2005/activiteiten/wat-gaat-koen-doen-en-wanneer | 18:58 |
| +SynQ | ah | 18:58 |
| +SynQ | thanks | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ, the git rev for that bugfix is in the bug report, if you need to backport it | 18:59 |
| +SynQ | perlDreamer: I have just updated all but a few webgui sites to 7.7.20 | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | .21 is due out the 29th (with that fix) | 19:01 |
| SquOnk | "What is Koen doing this week?" | 19:01 |
| +bartjol | yes from 2005 | 19:02 |
| +SynQ | SquOnk: way back from the day 2005 indeed | 19:02 |
| SquOnk | Good. My dutch is a bit rusty but there nevertheless :-) | 19:02 |
| +bartjol | for all the fas | 19:02 |
| +bartjol | fans | 19:02 |
| +SynQ | perlDreamer: I'll be patient | 19:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | bartjol | 19:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | beer time! | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | makes me want to wear my Koen shirt right now! | 19:03 |
| +bartjol | oh | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, how 'bout that VIES workflow? | 19:03 |
| +SynQ | perlDreamer: do wear it | 19:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | well | 19:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | when I have the tests working I'll commit it | 19:03 |
| +bartjol | well, if the clocks hits beer, beer hits me | 19:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | just haven't had any time for that this week | 19:03 |
| +SynQ | I want to find bugs! | 19:03 |
| +SynQ | I just might look into it | 19:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | I had to work at Mapper three days to make for the hours I missed during the wuc | 19:04 |
| +bartjol | go to a swamp | 19:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | and monday wasn't any good working as well | 19:04 |
| SquOnk | Come to the jungle. | 19:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'll see if I can get it in before the 29th | 19:04 |
| SquOnk | You'll find bugs as big as a cat | 19:04 |
| SquOnk | Well, regular cats at least, not those dutch cats that look like tiny tigers | 19:05 |
| +bartjol | /me sings welcome to the jungle, lalalalala | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | You'll have fun and games | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Learn to live like an octopus... | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | or something like that | 19:06 |
| SquOnk | Bungle in the Jungle, Jethro Tull | 19:08 |
| +bartjol | eeh | 19:09 |
| * SquOnk is listening to: Jethro Tull - Original Masters - Bungle in the Jungle - (0:06/3:35) | 19:10 | |
| * MrHairgrease is listening to Incredible strange Music vol 2 | 19:11 | |
| +bartjol | yesterday I've been at Creature with the atom brain | 19:12 |
| SquOnk | Oh, let's play weird music group names | 19:13 |
| SquOnk | There's the argentinian "Paranoic Mice" | 19:13 |
| SquOnk | ...or "The Green Midgets" | 19:13 |
| @bopbop | Rotten Peaches | 19:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | Johnny Coathanger and his Abortions | 19:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | or is that just tasteless? | 19:14 |
| @bopbop | actually, I think it's Moldy Peaches :) | 19:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | hehe | 19:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | Jello Biafra and the Guantanamo School of Medicine | 19:15 |
| +bartjol | godspeed, you black emperor? | 19:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Johnny Limbo and the Lugnuts | 19:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | Lightning BeatMan and the Never heard of 'Ems | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Limp Bizkit and his Viagra Support Group | 19:16 |
| SquOnk | lol | 19:16 |
| @bopbop | lol | 19:16 |
| +bartjol | the I'm ready to drink beer now | 19:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | before that he was all alone and was called Lightning Beat Man and his No Talent | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I made that one up | 19:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | Wau Y Los Arrrghs!!! is also pretty cool | 19:17 |
| +bartjol | well, my last is true, but not existing, so adieu | 19:17 |
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| +MrHairgrease | gotta go as well | 19:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | can't keep bart thirsty | 19:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | see you guys later! | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | l8r, d00d | 19:17 |
| +SynQ | hmm | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: I'm loving your code for Subscribable | 19:20 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb91a1ef / lib/WebGUI/Group.pm : Make a nice session object to use for Group->new. - http://bit.ly/GwbTR | 19:27 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r56f68bf / (3 files in 3 dirs): Make subscribable asset handle its built-in group correctly. Fixes bug#11004 - http://bit.ly/3WOdJh | 19:27 |
| +SynQ | hmm | 19:27 |
| +SynQ | so wresetup.pl instead of wreconsole.pl to do the initialsetup of the WRE would be a plan? :) | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | why? | 19:30 |
| +SynQ | so you don't need to use wreconsole.pl to setup the wre | 19:30 |
| +SynQ | which removes the need for a browser to setup the WRE | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: was there any resolution to the 10916 bug about files named thumb-*? | 19:30 |
| +SynQ | you can just do: unpack tar ; wresetup.pl ; addsite.pl | 19:30 |
| +SynQ | on the commandline | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ, are you talking about cap10morgan's work with that, or something new? | 19:31 |
| @Haarg | no resolution to it, no | 19:31 |
| +SynQ | perlDreamer: where is cap10morgan's work? | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | it was posted to the dev list, several months ago | 19:31 |
| +SynQ | hmm | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | he wanted to be able to provision webgui sites from the command line as well, and did it | 19:31 |
| +SynQ | but that comprised even more | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:31 |
| +SynQ | this thread: http://www.webgui.org/webgui/dev/discuss/increased-automation-of-webgui-upgrades-warning-long-w/-attachments | 19:33 |
| +SynQ | perlDreamer: that is not it | 19:35 |
| +SynQ | can you point me to the exact posting about that? | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | unfortunately, that was the one that I was thinking about, but it's for upgrades, not installs | 19:36 |
| +SynQ | hmm | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm striking out today | 19:39 |
| +SynQ | are you a baseball player? | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | only recreationally | 19:40 |
| +SynQ | but you meant it metaforically? | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:43 |
| +SynQ | ok, go and have a ball then :) | 19:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | Does WebGUI need a way to nuke the cookie in the user's browser? | 20:14 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re3029f3 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm): Fix a typo in exportTransposedResults in the Survey fixes bug#10990. - http://bit.ly/4A0cbD | 20:40 |
| @Haarg | is there a reason we would need a way to do that perlDreamer? | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | it's just my laziness | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | It's faster than going into FF to delete the cookie by hand | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin: ping | 21:09 |
| * perlDreamer heads out for a run | 21:24 | |
| +perlDreamer | that's twice this, week. | 21:25 |
| ekennedy | good deal! | 21:25 |
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| +danny_mk | Well, my boss just got upset with me because I was updating our application by using cvs | 22:35 |
| SquOnk | What does it mean for a thread to be sticky? | 22:43 |
| @preaction | it stays at the top of the list | 22:44 |
| SquOnk | preaction: Thank you | 22:44 |
| @preaction | the CS is ordered like so: Sticky threads ordered by <sort order>, non-sticky threads ordered by <sort order> | 22:44 |
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| elnino | wow lots of people here. | 23:08 |
| elnino | perlDreamer - good job running! | 23:08 |
| elnino | Haarg - do you happen to know if you guys allow for custom macros on your hosting plans? | 23:17 |
| @preaction | only on our dedicated or VPS systems | 23:18 |
| @preaction | not on general population hosting | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, elnino | 23:20 |
| elnino | is travisto around? | 23:24 |
| @preaction | elnino: doesn't seem so, but he's available by e-mail at tavis@plainblack.com | 23:25 |
| +perlDreamer | speaking of email addresses, elnino.... | 23:28 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3ff8858 / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Update POD for getIsa - http://bit.ly/EaOAI | 23:31 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r13491e1 / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Update POD for getIsa - http://bit.ly/1Dfqag | 23:31 |
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| elnino | doyou want mine perlDreamer? sorry I didnt' get the message. | 23:38 |
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| SquOnk | Spanish 72% | 00:46 |
| SquOnk | Will continue on monday ;-) | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, but it's much more fun to translate with friends! | 00:47 |
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| elnino | Haarg, I have a customer that is going to sign up for hosting, I"ve already setup there site on my server, can I give you my sql file? | 02:17 |
| elnino | I only ask you because I got the impression you support the servers over there? | 02:18 |
| @Haarg | you can post a support request about it. we'll need to get the sql script and a tarball of the uploads directory. | 02:18 |
| * elnino will brb | 02:18 | |
| @Haarg | if you can host the files somewhere that would be easiest, but there are other options. | 02:19 |
| elnino | "elsewhere", like? | 02:20 |
| @Haarg | well, if you already had them available on a website i mean. otherwise email is probably the best option. | 02:21 |
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| elnino | Haarg - so - what is the difference between support and no support? the customer always has the forum and chat option...what else is there? | 03:57 |
| elnino | (in hosting plans) | 03:58 |
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| elnino | and.. what happens if they succeed 10 Gbits in a month? They want to know, It's WAY more than they need, but they asked anyway... | 04:13 |
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| @preaction | elnino: no support doesn't have the plain black support boards. they have the community forums, but nothing official from plainblack | 05:47 |
| @preaction | and if they go over 10GB a month, there's an overage charge. Not sure how much because I'm not sure anybody ever has | 05:47 |
| elnino | ok. Thanks preaction. | 05:48 |
| elnino | and the 500Megs - is that files, or db and files? | 05:48 |
| @preaction | db and files | 05:48 |
| elnino | ...and email | 05:48 |
| elnino | . | 05:49 |
| elnino | or is email size separate? | 05:49 |
| elnino | s/email/email storage | 05:49 |
| @preaction | email is separate | 05:50 |
| elnino | oh ok. | 05:50 |
| elnino | well, they already have email somewhere else. I forget where. So we can just point to their current email server right? | 05:50 |
| @preaction | we outsource our e-mail so we don't have to worry about it | 05:50 |
| @preaction | yes, that can be done through the MX record (probably) | 05:50 |
| @preaction | or a forwarder | 05:50 |
| elnino | so. is there some kinda equation I can give them so they get a better understanding how large 10GB/month is? | 05:51 |
| @preaction | heh, one sec, let me do some math here | 05:52 |
| @preaction | perlbot math 10 * 2 ^ 10 | 05:52 |
| perlbot | 10240 | 05:52 |
| @preaction | perlbot math 10 * 2 ** 10 | 05:52 |
| perlbot | 10240 | 05:52 |
| @preaction | hmm.. that's not right | 05:53 |
| elnino | parenthesis? | 05:53 |
| @preaction | perlbot math 10 * ( 2 ** 10 ) | 05:53 |
| perlbot | 10240 | 05:53 |
| elnino | perlbot math 10 * (2 ^ 10) | 05:53 |
| perlbot | 10240 | 05:53 |
| @preaction | 2 to the 10th power is not that small | 05:53 |
| @preaction | hmm.. | 05:53 |
| @preaction | er, maybe it is | 05:53 |
| @preaction | perlbot math 10 * ( 2 ** 30 ) | 05:55 |
| perlbot | 10737418240 | 05:55 |
| @preaction | okay, now we're getting somewhere | 05:55 |
| @preaction | perlbot math 10 * ( 2 ** 30 ) / 100_000 | 05:55 |
| perlbot | 107374.1824 | 05:55 |
| @preaction | that many page views, given an average of a 100k page view (which is huge) | 05:55 |
| @preaction | a more realistic page view is 40k | 05:56 |
| @preaction | perlbot math 10 * ( 2 ** 30 ) / 40_000 | 05:56 |
| perlbot | 268435.456 | 05:56 |
| @preaction | a quarter-million of those | 05:56 |
| @preaction | so if you have one page view every second, thats... | 05:56 |
| @preaction | perlbot math 10 * ( 2 ** 30 ) / 40_000 / 60 / 24 / 30 | 05:56 |
| perlbot | 6.2137837037037 | 05:56 |
| @preaction | 6 months | 05:56 |
| @preaction | well, 180 days | 05:56 |
| @preaction | perlbot math 10 * ( 2 ** 30 ) / 40_000 * 10 / 60 / 24 / 30 | 05:57 |
| perlbot | 62.137837037037 | 05:57 |
| @preaction | perlbot math 10 * ( 2 ** 30 ) / 40_000 / 10 / 60 / 24 / 30 | 05:57 |
| perlbot | 0.62137837037037 | 05:57 |
| @preaction | you need about 6 page views per second at 40k per page view to use that up | 05:57 |
| @preaction | and that doesn't count browser caching | 05:58 |
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| @preaction | most likely, by the time you use that much bandwidth, you'll be successful enough to require your own server | 05:59 |
| @preaction | (which, afaik, is unmetered) | 05:59 |
| elnino | 2^30 is suposed to be? | 05:59 |
| @preaction | one gibibyte | 05:59 |
| elnino | ah. | 05:59 |
| @preaction | perlbot math 2^30 | 05:59 |
| perlbot | 1073741824 | 05:59 |
| @preaction | it's that many bytes, really | 06:00 |
| elnino | been awhile. | 06:00 |
| @preaction | yeah, i had to look it up | 06:00 |
| elnino | then you divide by 10, 69, 24, 30...what is the 10 | 06:00 |
| elnino | ? | 06:00 |
| elnino | s/69/60 | 06:01 |
| @preaction | that extra 10? i was trying to find how many page views per second | 06:01 |
| elnino | isn't that the 60? | 06:01 |
| elnino | 24=hours | 06:01 |
| elnino | =) | 06:02 |
| @preaction | so if we go backwards: ( 30*24*60*60 ) <- seconds in a month, ( 40_000 ) bytes in a page view ( 1 ) page view per second | 06:02 |
| @preaction | perlbot math 30*24*60*60 * 40_000 * 1 | 06:02 |
| perlbot | 103680000000 | 06:02 |
| @preaction | wait what? | 06:02 |
| elnino | you missed the extra 60 | 06:03 |
| @preaction | that would do it | 06:03 |
| elnino | still don't know what 10 is... =) | 06:03 |
| @preaction | perlbot math 30*24*60*60 * 40_000 * 1 / (2**30) | 06:03 |
| perlbot | 96.5595245361328 | 06:03 |
| elnino | 30=days, 24 =hours, 60=minutes, 60 seconds | 06:03 |
| @preaction | okay, so that's 96 gb | 06:03 |
| @preaction | the 10 was 10 per second | 06:03 |
| @preaction | but in fact ended up being 10 per minute | 06:04 |
| @preaction | because i missed the seconds | 06:04 |
| @preaction | perlbot math 30*24*60*60 * 40_000 * 0.1 / (2**30) | 06:05 |
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| perlbot | 9.65595245361328 | 06:05 |
| @preaction | that's better | 06:05 |
| @preaction | so it's (seconds in a month) * (avg page size) * (page views per second) / (bytes in a gigabyte) | 06:05 |
| elnino | so it's ~10 hits per second to exceed the 10G | 06:07 |
| elnino | perlbot math 10 * ( 2 ** 30 ) / 40_000 / 60 / 60 / 24 / 30 | 06:08 |
| perlbot | 0.103563061728395 | 06:08 |
| @preaction | no, one page view every 10 seconds | 06:08 |
| @preaction | a hit is any request to the site | 06:08 |
| @preaction | let me pull up plainblack.com's stats and see what we get for bandwidth usage | 06:08 |
| @preaction | actually, webgui.org's probably better indicator | 06:10 |
| @preaction | in August, we had 481,448 page views, 1,222,412 hits for a total of 13.11 GB of bandwidth transferred | 06:11 |
| @preaction | the month before that (must've been half-stats) it was 200,000 page views, 500,000 hits for 5.26GB | 06:11 |
| @preaction | this month so far 300,000 pages, 750,000 hits for 7.6 GB | 06:12 |
| @preaction | plus, realize that people download things from the Bazaar from www.webgui.org, which are not pages and are bigger | 06:12 |
| @preaction | yeah, PNG images take up 20% of our hits but 55% of our bandwidth. we could optimize them and get more bang for our buck | 06:13 |
| elnino | hmm. ok. good to know. Appreciate the math and info!! | 06:14 |
| @preaction | i don't think they'll have a problem w/ 10GB, and if they do there are ways to optimize things (YSlow! for example) and/or extra bwidth is dirt cheap | 06:14 |
| @preaction | remember too that webgui.org and plainblack.com are on their own server, they'd never survive as general population, there's just too much traffic | 06:15 |
| @preaction | you'll probably have a bigger problem with CPU/memory before you use 10 GB bandwidth | 06:15 |
| @preaction | unless you put lots of video and audio on the site, then that's a whole different ballgame | 06:15 |
| elnino | Oh. I doubt they'll will too. | 06:15 |
| @preaction | (and one of the reasons we use other sites to host our videos) | 06:16 |
| elnino | well, I have one of those customers too. | 06:16 |
| elnino | what do you use? | 06:16 |
| @preaction | but yeah "oh you get 10GB of bandwidth" is rather abstract | 06:16 |
| @preaction | blip.tv i think | 06:16 |
| @preaction | otherwise one of my friends is a sysadmin for Viddler, so i trust them too | 06:16 |
| @preaction | plus viddler has some extremely slick APIs | 06:16 |
| elnino | I'm assuming you use the latest stable? | 06:17 |
| @preaction | plus WebGUI is adding more stuff like Flickr integration and twitter and facebook and etc... | 06:17 |
| @preaction | beta actually. Webgui.org and pb.com will always run the latest beta | 06:17 |
| elnino | what about the hostin gplans? I have to give Haarg my .sql | 06:18 |
| @preaction | we eat our own dog food. better we get hit with the problems than customers | 06:18 |
| @preaction | hosting plans run a recent version of stable | 06:18 |
| @preaction | we upgrade them every 4-6 weeks | 06:18 |
| @preaction | actually next week or the week after we're upgrading to 7.7 and WRE 0.9.3 across the board | 06:18 |
| elnino | so do you sysadmin at pb? | 06:18 |
| @preaction | we always give 2 weeks notice | 06:18 |
| @preaction | among other things, yes | 06:19 |
| elnino | I thought Haarg did. | 06:19 |
| @preaction | i'm one of the on-call guys | 06:19 |
| elnino | or maybe both? | 06:19 |
| @preaction | graham used to be the support guy, but now he's part support and part client dev | 06:19 |
| elnino | ah. | 06:19 |
| @preaction | and JT and I both went back on support (due to our bad decision in putting new hires on the support boards) | 06:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I keep saying that I'm sorry. | 06:20 |
| elnino | =) | 06:20 |
| @preaction | so, basically, the three most qualified and experienced people are the PB support staff these days | 06:20 |
| @preaction | colin, you probably would've been a better choice. these people hadn't heard of webgui before we hired them. bad judgement on our part, but in our defence, Graham didn't know anything about webgui when he started on support either, and now look at him | 06:21 |
| +perlDreamer | But Graham is not your average hacker/dev/support guy either | 06:21 |
| @preaction | exactly | 06:22 |
| elnino | so, "support" is that more like, "how do I do this in webgui?" or "can I have a macro?" or "both?" | 06:22 |
| @preaction | which is probably part of the problem, PB is blessed with some frickin geniuses on-staff | 06:23 |
| @preaction | elnino: any question you have pertaining to webgui even tangentially | 06:23 |
| @preaction | we've answered java questions, apache questions, dev questions, perl questions, anything really | 06:23 |
| @preaction | we'll usually give quick answers to things completely off-topic (though that depends on the mood we're in, and the mood i'm in (since i manage the boards these days)) | 06:24 |
| @preaction | ex: there was a client with Lotus Domino, and we were debugging that for them | 06:24 |
| elnino | but the "Supported WebGUI hosting service" doesn't allow for custom code, right? That's what someone said. | 06:24 |
| @preaction | but after a couple weeks we had to stop (way too much Java internals) | 06:24 |
| @preaction | correct | 06:24 |
| elnino | so you were supporting something that you didn't host? | 06:25 |
| @preaction | anything General Population (which is the $20 and $50 shared hosting) doesn't allow custom code | 06:25 |
| @preaction | yes | 06:25 |
| elnino | but you won't allow for macros... | 06:25 |
| @preaction | not on our shared hosting | 06:25 |
| @preaction | if it's your system, you can buy support and we'll help you | 06:25 |
| @preaction | if it's a VPS or a dedicated server, we'll help you | 06:25 |
| @preaction | but not shared hosting, too many sites and too much possibility to screw up those sites | 06:26 |
| @preaction | we'll help you screw up your own server, but not other people's sites, is what it boils down to | 06:26 |
| elnino | =) | 06:26 |
| elnino | ok. | 06:26 |
| @preaction | also, since it's you, you could get an Agency Hosting plan with us, and since that's a dedicated server, custom code is allowed | 06:27 |
| elnino | it is? I didn't think it was for some reason. | 06:27 |
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| @preaction | Agency Hosting is reselling service | 06:27 |
| +perlDreamer | for someone with a lot of customers that need hosting, it's a good solution | 06:27 |
| @preaction | i think that's why we have a minimum of 5 clients or $75 a month | 06:28 |
| elnino | yeah, I knew about it. I'm striving to make my first "5" paying customers, then hopefully switch to your servers. | 06:28 |
| elnino | I'm currently hostin gon a vps of a friends. | 06:29 |
| elnino | ok. that's enough for me tonight. Need sleep badly. | 06:30 |
| elnino | Have a good night all! | 06:30 |
| @preaction | have a nice weekend | 06:30 |
| elnino | you too. | 06:30 |
| elnino | thanks again for the info. | 06:31 |
| +perlDreamer | are you working through the weekend, preaction? | 06:31 |
| @preaction | np | 06:31 |
| @preaction | oh no. i took a day off today. i've felt lightheaded and dizzy all day | 06:31 |
| @preaction | plus the allergies, which i still haven't had time to vaccuum the durned house of cat dander, but i did do laundry so i don't have cat infested sheets | 06:32 |
| +perlDreamer | you're allergic to cats, but own cats? | 06:32 |
| @preaction | i'm slightly allergic | 06:32 |
| @preaction | what happens is when hay fever season rolls around, the triple threat of Cat and hay fever and dust from me not vaccuuming regularly creates a wonderful explosion of suck | 06:33 |
| @preaction | so for 2-3 weeks i'm pretty miserable, then everything's back to normal | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | that doesn't sound too bad | 06:33 |
| @preaction | it's not, except when it's those 2-3 weeks ;) | 06:33 |
| elnino | perlbot math 30*24*60*60 | 06:46 |
| perlbot | 2592000 | 06:46 |
| elnino | perlbot (30*24*60*60)/10 | 06:57 |
| elnino | 30*24*60*60 /10 | 06:57 |
| elnino | erlbot math 30*24*60*60 /10 | 06:58 |
| elnino | perlbot math 30*24*60*60 /10 | 06:58 |
| perlbot | 259200 | 06:58 |
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| elnino | preaction. what would it take to get http://www.webgui.org/bazaar/fileurlbyid-macro into stable? when is the rfe day? or is there something like this already? (now I'm going to bed) | 07:24 |
| @preaction | you can get it into a beta, but not a stable | 07:25 |
| @preaction | but there's a StorageId macro too | 07:25 |
| elnino | eventually though... | 07:25 |
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| elnino | you mean storageurl. | 07:26 |
| @preaction | oh, yeah | 07:26 |
| elnino | that doesn't work for me. All I have is the asset id. | 07:26 |
| @preaction | you'd be better off trying to get something else, what's you doing? | 07:26 |
| @preaction | an SQLReport or something? | 07:27 |
| elnino | customer want to prompt a user for information before downloadin a file. If the "answer" given is correct, then they are given the url for the pdf. | 07:27 |
| elnino | I'm currently useing thingy to store the "qusetions and answers" and the assetid of the pdf. | 07:28 |
| elnino | I'mm using the assetof the pdf because I used the "webgui asset" data type. | 07:28 |
| elnino | or something like that. | 07:28 |
| elnino | so, I have the sqlreport working and it gives me the assetId of the pdf | 07:28 |
| elnino | but I can't get the url. =( | 07:28 |
| elnino | and since they are hosting on your servers, I can't use custom macros. | 07:29 |
| @preaction | really, i'd prefer that anywhere a URL to an asset is used, we allow assetId | 07:29 |
| @preaction | it's pretty simple to get in there, just try to instantiate it by ID and if that doesn't work, try it as a URL, and if that doesn't work, error out | 07:30 |
| elnino | field datatype of "asset" | 07:30 |
| elnino | I can't use custom code on your servers... | 07:30 |
| elnino | or do I understand you incorrectly? | 07:30 |
| @preaction | right, i'm saying modify the FileURL macro to do what I said | 07:31 |
| @preaction | and then submit it to core | 07:31 |
| elnino | oh. this is a trap. LOL. | 07:31 |
| @preaction | isn't everything? | 07:32 |
| elnino | ok. so.I do this, they want to go "live" in two weeks. possible? | 07:32 |
| @preaction | i don't know. i think we have a beta genpop server, but i'm not sure the policies there | 07:33 |
| @preaction | really, they'd be better off with a VPS and then we could put custom code on it | 07:33 |
| @preaction | the cheapest one we offer being $150 i think | 07:34 |
| elnino | yeah, not a those prices. they wouldn't go for it. | 07:34 |
| elnino | they are a 6-person hardware manufacturing company. I'll sleep on it. | 07:34 |
| @preaction | then perhaps store the PDF url and use the FileURL macro? | 07:34 |
| elnino | that is the other option. I just tend to try to do things "right" in my mind. | 07:35 |
| elnino | assetid is the way to go in my mind. | 07:35 |
| @preaction | i agree, but right sometimes isn't cheap unfortunately | 07:35 |
| elnino | yeah. | 07:35 |
| elnino | sleep time for real this time. Thanks again! | 07:36 |
| @preaction | something Frank and I have arguments about constantly (he prefers cheap when dealing with clients) | 07:36 |
| @preaction | np good luck | 07:36 |
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| elnino | I like prototypes, but I wonder how best to manage them. Do you put them in an offsite area? or do you actually set things that are being used IN the website as prototypes? | 18:32 |
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| +danny_mk | hello | 19:28 |
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| +danny_mk | OK, I looked through the wiki and I found all spectre options, where can I delete/purge disabled workflows? | 19:43 |
| +danny_mk | is is not in the admin console under "Workflow" | 19:44 |
| +danny_mk | never mind, I see that all I had to do was restart. | 19:47 |
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| Trex | Hi. Quick question for you folks -- can anyone tell me what the "Sales" and "Manage Tax Settings" tabs are used for in under the "Shop" tab in the user account interface on 7.7? | 19:05 |
| Trex | I'm working on a dev site with 7.7.16 (haven't yet upgraded to the stable 7.7 yet), and the Sales tab seems to do nothing. | 19:06 |
| Trex | And as for Manage Tax Settings, what would be user-configurable about taxes? Shouldn't any tax assessment per purchase be automatic, based on shipping location? | 19:07 |
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| Trex | Apparently Sundays before noon is not a good time to find folks awake here. Adios. | 20:24 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r3756624 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/ZipArchive.pm : fix ZipArchive changing current directory - http://bit.ly/2MqL0C | 04:45 |
| @Haarg | so it looks like i have a buildbot server set up to do automatic tests for each commit | 04:50 |
| @Haarg | still a number of things to fix though. no live tests, and the server doesn't have enough memory. | 04:51 |
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| SquOnk | Hello | 05:23 |
| @Haarg | greetings | 05:23 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: Spanish over 80% | 05:28 |
| @Haarg | nice | 05:28 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r4b835ba / t/00_compile.t : fix compile test for when WebGUI libs not in PERL5LIB - http://bit.ly/6O033 | 06:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | Holy translations, Batman! | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Spanishh over 80% | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | seems like Klaus and Bart have started a trend | 06:58 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, http://smoke.plainblack.com:8010/ | 06:58 |
| @Haarg | very much not done yet | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | nice work :) | 06:59 |
| @Haarg | just need more memory in the server and we can actually use it | 06:59 |
| +perlDreamer | should we send preaction some sticks? | 06:59 |
| @Haarg | possibly | 06:59 |
| +perlDreamer | also, should we be backporting these tests? | 07:00 |
| @Haarg | i might set up the extra machine i have here as a build slave | 07:00 |
| @Haarg | yes, i'll backport them in a few minutes | 07:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm a horrible nag. I'm sorry | 07:00 |
| @Haarg | i probably would have forgotten so it's good you mentioned it | 07:01 |
| @Haarg | it's currently set up to do a compile check 30 within 30 seconds of a commit | 07:02 |
| @Haarg | and a full non-live test (no critic labels) after 10 minutes | 07:02 |
| @Haarg | lots of failures due to low memory though | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | how much memory does it have? | 07:05 |
| @Haarg | 301056k | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | wow | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe it's worth tracking down those leaking session tests after all | 07:06 |
| @Haarg | there's only 76mb free. even with no leaking sessions it will not be able to run the tests. | 07:07 |
| @Haarg | i was initially setting the buildbot stuff up on a local vm, but for some reason it kept having large network problems | 07:08 |
| @Haarg | i wonder if jt will be annoyed that i am basically rewriting addsite.pl in wgdev for testing | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | does that mean that wgdev won't run on a source install anymore? | 07:10 |
| @Haarg | no, it's so that i can do roughly the same thing as addsite but in arbitrary locations | 07:11 |
| @Haarg | i want to set up a build slave that doesn't use the wre at all eventually | 07:11 |
| @Haarg | http://github.com/haarg/wgdev/tree/test-server | 07:11 |
| @Haarg | server-setup, site-create, site-remove commands. very rough for now but i needed that stuff for the test server. | 07:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know how JT'll feel about it, but these are also the tools that the distributions will need outside of the WRE | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | so I think it's a good thing | 07:15 |
| @Haarg | http://gist.github.com/190065 | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | pretty simple setup, really | 07:17 |
| @Haarg | most of it, yeag | 07:18 |
| * perlDreamer tries futilely to avoid a python putdown | 07:18 | |
| @Haarg | still working on a better way to attach the html test results | 07:19 |
| @Haarg | i'm still getting used to python's syntax | 07:20 |
| @Haarg | keep wanting to stick => in | 07:21 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 07:21 |
| +perlDreamer | and indentation matters | 07:21 |
| +perlDreamer | but the object code is very clean | 07:21 |
| @Haarg | still one real test failure to deal with | 07:22 |
| +perlDreamer | which one? | 07:22 |
| @Haarg | not ok 851 - label: AssetAspect_Subscribable->new post inside Default Asset Subscription, id: limMkk80fMB3fqNZVf162w, url: /home/untitled/default-asset-subscription | 07:23 |
| @Haarg | that template also needs its url fixed | 07:23 |
| +perlDreamer | that's odd, because I added some tests to that last week, and it passed | 07:23 |
| +perlDreamer | well, on my source install at least | 07:23 |
| @Haarg | looks you like you removed the old i18n when adding the new stuff | 07:25 |
| +perlDreamer | oh | 07:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I really have no credibility at all when it comes to getting people to run the test suite. | 07:28 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r91b42e8 / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/AssetAspect_Subscribable.pm : add missing Subscribable i18n - http://bit.ly/4kofZT | 07:28 |
| @Haarg | i don't run it enough either. thus the buildbot server. | 07:28 |
| @Haarg | once it is actually working, i'll set it to email people when they break tests | 07:29 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r29fa388 / (2 files): fix url on subscription template - http://bit.ly/19Xe8k | 07:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm doing some application work, back in 7.3 | 07:46 |
| @Haarg | ouch | 07:47 |
| elnino_ | yeah | 07:47 |
| elnino_ | ouch | 07:47 |
| @Haarg | i probably have a skewed opinion of 7.3 because it's the first version i used. so every other version i've used is much better. | 07:48 |
| +perlDreamer | the API is fairly stable | 07:49 |
| +perlDreamer | so it hasn't been too difficult | 07:49 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * reebece7 / (t/Asset/Event/edit.t t/Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo/edit.t): check WEBGUI_LIVE in some more live tests - http://bit.ly/2bnzKw | 07:49 |
| @Haarg | all those fixes are backported | 07:50 |
| +perlDreamer | sweet | 07:54 |
| @Haarg | i'll have to see if one of the designers has some time to make the buildbot pages look a little nicer. it doesn't need to be fancy but it's pretty hideous right now. | 07:58 |
| +perlDreamer | tabb whipped up some Story Manager templates. | 07:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll import them and check them out tomorrow. | 07:59 |
| * perlDreamer is going to crash out. | 08:01 | |
| @Haarg | night | 08:01 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6837523 / t/Storage.t : File::Temp::tempdir does not exist. - http://bit.ly/18kHml | 08:19 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r914ee7a / t/Storage.t : File::Temp::tempdir does not exist. - http://bit.ly/62zpM | 08:19 |
| @Haarg | oop | 08:20 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12350 /translations/German/German/Asset_MessageBoard.pm: Update from translation server | 12:24 |
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| carogray | helloooooooooooo? | 14:34 |
| ryuu_ro | hi! | 14:36 |
| carogray | hiya - is that Rogier? | 14:38 |
| ryuu_ro | nope it's Rory | 14:39 |
| carogray | sorry haven't met you, spect your dutch (time of day you are on and your name begins w/ 'r') | 14:39 |
| carogray | can you explain a navigation template variable to me? | 14:40 |
| ryuu_ro | that's ok :) yes I am dutch | 14:40 |
| ryuu_ro | well I can always trie | 14:40 |
| ryuu_ro | try | 14:40 |
| carogray | I am having trouble with tmpl_var pagedepthIsN | 14:40 |
| ryuu_ro | ok, what's te problem? | 14:41 |
| carogray | I have tried to use it and I am getting a WebGUI error | 14:41 |
| ryuu_ro | what kind of error? | 14:41 |
| carogray | sorry - slow connection on bus: | 14:42 |
| carogray | There is a syntax error in this template, /demo1253529551_906/horizontalmenu3, CHCE49qmYSDOEvleY8NH7g. Please correct.HTML::Template->new() : found with no matching at /fake/path/for/non/file/template : line 13. at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/HTML/Template.pm line 2202. | 14:42 |
| ryuu_ro | did you put in tmpl_var pagedepthIsN or did you replace the last N with a number? | 14:43 |
| carogray | I am trying to do a navigation with page loop and using a ul for the pagedepthIs1 and a nested UL for pageDepthIs2 | 14:43 |
| carogray | I put in 1 an d2 | 14:43 |
| carogray | and 2 | 14:43 |
| ryuu_ro | ok, do you have a link where we can see the code of the template? | 14:44 |
| ryuu_ro | maybe in the pastebin? | 14:44 |
| carogray | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m51874674 | 14:44 |
| carogray | I think there is some stuff wrong in there, anyway | 14:45 |
| ryuu_ro | ok, give me a minute | 14:46 |
| carogray | I am working on the demo server just trying to test the pagedepthIsN variable and that seems to be giving same error. | 14:47 |
| carogray | http://demo.webgui.org/demo1253529551_906/horizontalmenu3?func=edit;proceed=goBackToPage;returnUrl=%2Fdemo1253529551_906%2Fhome%2Fhorizontal-menu | 14:47 |
| carogray | login webgui demo Admin, 123qwe | 14:48 |
| ryuu_ro | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d1798c7bd | 14:50 |
| ryuu_ro | i didn't test it so you have to make sure it works :) | 14:51 |
| ryuu_ro | I replaced the if statements with <tmpl_if> | 14:51 |
| ryuu_ro | ow I see now that I made a mistake in the first if | 14:51 |
| ryuu_ro | I wrote paged.epthIs1 | 14:52 |
| ryuu_ro | but that should be page.depthIs1 | 14:52 |
| carogray | If I lose you _ I will be back...working on bus,it's a 2 hr ride and I am at the end, my battery may die. just getting into Boston now and then 8 mins walk to work -will log back on when I get to work. | 14:52 |
| ryuu_ro | I will be here for a couple of hours more :) | 14:53 |
| carogray | oops put in backwards... I see what you are doing i will try when I get to the office - li's dont seem to be closed? | 14:53 |
| ryuu_ro | ow sorry forgot that one | 14:54 |
| ryuu_ro | you have to close the li's to get a validating html page ofcourse | 14:55 |
| carogray | ok - getting into station now... thanks for your help - I will try this...:) | 14:55 |
| ryuu_ro | np | 14:55 |
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| +danny_mk | Huray.... I was finally able to upgrade from 7.6.35 - 7.7.20 | 16:19 |
| +danny_mk | I have been fighting this upgrade for a week now, it seems that two of my hosted sites had corrupted databases. Thank you all for your help. | 16:20 |
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| ckotil | nice! | 16:43 |
| ckotil | im upgrading from 7.5.32-7.6.32 tomorrow night, also moving to the wre from source. it should go smooth :) | 16:44 |
| +danny_mk | I have to say the errors were very cryptic. I finally broke down, installed a standalone wre and tested one site at a time. | 16:53 |
| +danny_mk | good luck with your upgrades, most of the time they go very smoothly | 17:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, folks | 17:50 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Morning | 17:50 |
| +perlDreamer | nice translation work, SquOnk | 17:50 |
| * SquOnk is happy about the Bears coming from behind to beat the Steelers | 17:50 | |
| +perlDreamer | bartjo1: postal code ping | 17:52 |
| carogray | hi all | 17:55 |
| carogray | ryuu_ro was helping me this morning with pagedepthIsN but I am still having problems with it working, trying to make it really simple now and I cannot get anything to show up... What depth is home, 2? | 17:56 |
| +perlDreamer | carogray, page depth is determined on how the page structure is built | 17:58 |
| +perlDreamer | the /root page has an absolute depth of 1 | 17:58 |
| +perlDreamer | if /home is a child of root, then it has an absolute depth of 2 | 17:58 |
| carogray | ja, that's what I thought. | 18:01 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r10d849c / t/Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo/permissions.t : Do not cleanup Admin's friends group. - http://bit.ly/pfW9P | 18:28 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r27f474e / t/Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo/permissions.t : Do not cleanup Admin's friends group. - http://bit.ly/kCbzn | 18:28 |
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| @Haarg | i set up a buildbot slave at home on a vm so it can actually run the tests properly | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | speaking of WEBGUI_TEST_DEBUG, that would be a nice switch to have in wgd test, Haarg. | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | may I add it? | 18:29 |
| @Haarg | but there were config problems on the master i had to fix and i disconnected the slave. can't restart it until i get home unfortunately. | 18:30 |
| @Haarg | sure | 18:30 |
| ckotil | danny_mk: thanks. Ive tested it about 5 times now, and it has gone smooth. | 18:36 |
| +danny_mk | ckotil: good | 18:36 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: Colin Kuskie master * r9aaf2f8 / (Changes lib/WGDev/Command/Test.pm): Add -D switch for setting WEBGUI_TEST_DEBUG in wgd test. - http://bit.ly/4oU7a1 | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: have you seen this before? http://gist.github.com/190318 | 18:41 |
| @Haarg | nope | 18:41 |
| @Haarg | import vs package -i | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I seem to be wgd impaired this morning | 18:47 |
| @Haarg | also, i'll probably remove the -D flag and just leave --debug | 18:47 |
| @Haarg | -D is a flag that prove uses, and i don't want to override any of those | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | oh. well, apparently my impairment is more widespread than originally thought | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll fix it | 18:49 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: Colin Kuskie master * r72496c6 / lib/WGDev/Command/Test.pm : Do not use -D, it's reserved by prove - http://bit.ly/theFq | 18:53 |
| @Haarg | it's actually easier for me if you don't update the changelog in wgdev. i just update it in batches occasionally. | 18:59 |
| @Haarg | heh, i forgot about test's -S option when i added the global -S option | 19:01 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * rc56b360 / lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm : tell upgrade.pl not to clear the cache since we do it ourselves - http://bit.ly/3vondz | 19:01 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * raa46666 / lib/WGDev/Command/Test.pm : some style cleanups in test command - http://bit.ly/VctNZ | 19:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | is it ever useful to import a package that has an asset with a revision date earlier than the most current revision date? | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | the problem I see with the currrent behavior is that time is not absolute | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | if I commit an upgrade package, and someone else commits an upgrade package, and if they're committed within the time skew between our two computers, then the upgrade order is unpredictable. | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | especially if 1 person commits a folder, and the other person commits just a template within that folder | 19:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | nice work on the spell checker, ekennedy! | 19:56 |
| ekennedy | Thanks. It was odd because there weren't any errors on the build. It just didn't work. | 20:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | does the source code for Aspell come with tests? | 20:24 |
| ekennedy | It does and the tests were failing after the build. I don't think the wrebuild process ran the tests but I'd have to look at it again. | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ: ping | 20:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | BartJol! | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | howdy, dude. | 20:33 |
| +BartJol | tired | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | hard day at the office? | 20:33 |
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| +BartJol | and a loose utp cable in my laptop | 20:34 |
| +BartJol | but for the rest I'm ok perlDreamer | 20:34 |
| +BartJol | and howdy to you | 20:34 |
| +perlDreamer | can I ask you questions about your Shop bug, or should we just make friendly chatting? | 20:35 |
| +BartJol | sure you can ask | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I tried every way i could think of to duplicate losing the address book when logging in, and they all worked for me. | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | can you walk me through the steps you used? | 20:37 |
| * BartJol is looking up his own bug | 20:37 | |
| carogray | stuck stuck stuck and feeling absolutely retahded | 20:39 |
| carogray | Cannot even get tmpl_if pagedepthIs3 working let alone a page loop inside ul and li... want i want to achieve is on http://webgui.pastebin.com/db479e7e | 20:44 |
| carogray | oops, not meant to send that until someone is ready to look. -srroy | 20:44 |
| carogray | sorry | 20:44 |
| +BartJol | I set the choose payment gateway screen as the "redirect after login" setting | 20:45 |
| +BartJol | so prolly I'm trying two op's at a time | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | carogray, you don't have to ask to ask a question. What you did was exactly right. | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol: I think so. It should redirect there automatically. | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | well, that's what I found through experimentation anyway. | 20:46 |
| +BartJol | what I did elsewhere was to create a redirect that redirected me to the operation screen | 20:47 |
| +BartJol | maybe that works here two, but still my address is thrown away | 20:47 |
| carogray | gotta go help someone else - will check back later | 20:48 |
| ekennedy | carogray: I've got to look it up to confirm but I think the variable is pageDepthIs3 (capital D) | 20:50 |
| +BartJol | I believe so too | 20:50 |
| ekennedy | carogray: actually it is page.depthIs3 rather than pagedepthIs3 | 20:51 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: you can try to use it on www.bartjol.nl/home/winke-test | 20:55 |
| +BartJol | sorry | 20:55 |
| +BartJol | www.bartjol.nl/home/winkel-test | 20:55 |
| +BartJol | just buy product x | 20:55 |
| +BartJol | only 399 ex vat ;) | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | template variables are not case sensitive | 20:56 |
| +perlDreamer | the template variable is page.depthIs3 | 20:56 |
| +perlDreamer | probably just missing the dot "." | 20:56 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: I did have a custom login template | 20:58 |
| +BartJol | resetted that just now | 20:58 |
| +perlDreamer | seems to be working, now | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | i put an item in the cart | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | setup a shipping address | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | checked out | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | made an account | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | was redirected right back to the choose payment screen | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | chose ING | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | used my address from shipping | 21:00 |
| +BartJol | mmm, maybe I shouldn't use the admin account | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, so what you did was log in admin when it asked you to log in? | 21:02 |
| +BartJol | yes | 21:02 |
| +BartJol | so fill in a new address and then checkout and login | 21:03 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, do you see a reason to avoid upgrading to YUI 2.8 in 7.8? | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | in 7.8? no | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | if it fixes more bugs than it causes in 7.7, then I'd recommend doing it there, as well | 21:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | but it's going to take about a day to hand verify all the YUI content we have | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | brb | 21:08 |
| @Haarg | lots of horribly inefficient yui in use currently | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol, I think i see the problem | 21:10 |
| +BartJol | ah | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Does Admin already have an existing address book? | 21:10 |
| +BartJol | yes | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | that gives me a clue where/how to look. | 21:12 |
| +BartJol | ah, so actually the bug is that with an existing addressbook, a new address is not added, when coming from visitor | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | right, and that the shipping address setting is lost. | 21:13 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like a bug in the merging of the address books | 21:13 |
| +BartJol | yeah | 21:13 |
| +perlDreamer | because for a while, there are 2 | 21:13 |
| @Haarg | well, i just pushed the upgrade to yui 2.8.0r4 | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | shouldn't we test it all before committing? | 21:18 |
| @Haarg | afaik, element is the only part we use that went from beta to normal | 21:19 |
| +perlDreamer | that should be a safe change | 21:19 |
| +BartJol | testing is for whimps or guys that write reliable code ;) | 21:19 |
| @Haarg | i've tested a bunch of it | 21:19 |
| @Haarg | there were places including utilities.js and also all of the things packaged in it | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | oy | 21:22 |
| @Haarg | didn't fix the code editor problems unfortunately | 21:24 |
| +perlDreamer | time to go running, and destress | 21:28 |
| carogray | ok that is now working. one baby step at a time. | 22:15 |
| carogray | I think Steve Swanson wrote a blog about using page loops, he was saying people only seem to use one in a template, but we can use more... can we use a page loop WITHIN a page loop? | 22:15 |
| +BartJol | not sure about that | 22:17 |
| @preaction | probably, but it may not work how you want it to (unless you want it to show the same content more than once) | 22:17 |
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| carogray | hmmm | 22:30 |
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| ekennedy | carogray: My take away from the Template Toolkit presentation at the WUC was that it would allow me to do most of the things I didn't seem to be able to do with HTML::Template, especially for templating navigations. You might look at it to see if it helps. | 22:52 |
| ckotil | there's also HTML::Template::Expr | 22:55 |
| @preaction | which is barely better than H::T | 22:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | KlausH: you've started an international movement | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | The spanish translation is at 80% and climbing | 23:30 |
| KlausH | great! | 23:35 |
| KlausH | we stopped at 100% ;-) | 23:36 |
| +perlDreamer | well, one does what one can... | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | we'll have to give you partial credit for spurring the others on, as well | 23:42 |
| +BartJol | and it seems Russian, Polish and French will also rise in the future | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | really? | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | who is doing those? | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | well, I know jdan is doing Polish | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | but the others? | 23:45 |
| +BartJol | I met 1 french guy here | 23:45 |
| +BartJol | and seen russian translations been commited | 23:45 |
| @preaction | french has been slowly going up, but not recently | 23:46 |
| +BartJol | well, he had some other stuff to do like rtfm | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | this will really benefit SynQ's project, if it's fully available in more languages | 23:47 |
| +BartJol | and make my contenthandler more usefull | 23:47 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9625577 / lib/WebGUI/Shop/AddressBook.pm : Fix POD in AddressBook. - http://bit.ly/1Vankt | 23:50 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r975a40f / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.19-7.8.0.pl : Fix column typo, and also fix YUI filenames in packed head tags and templates. - http://bit.ly/3sdPeQ | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I think that we also need to look at FilePump files for the same upgrades, but I haven't checked yet. | 23:51 |
| @Haarg | i guess i don't have to bother committing the fix for the column names i made | 23:51 |
| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12351 /translations/German/German/Asset_Donation.pm: Update from translation server | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, Haarg. I should have asked first | 23:52 |
| @Haarg | wasn't thinking about packing. that'll teach me to copy/paste code that bypasses the api. | 23:52 |
| @Haarg | no reason to ask for something like that, i should have committed it faster (or not introduced a bug that obvious) | 23:53 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12352 /translations/German/German/Account.pm: Update from translation server | 00:15 |
| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12353 /translations/German/German/Account_Contributions.pm: Update from translation server | 00:15 |
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| elnino_ | I voted for webgui! dnn better not win. | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | dnn? | 01:00 |
| @preaction | dot net nuke | 01:04 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r2d28e0c / (2089 files in 255 dirs): update YUI to 2.8.0r4 - http://bit.ly/u9MSs | 01:25 |
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| carogray1 | on bus - approaching sticksville_> dubious connection or reliability, but... if navigation template has: | 01:47 |
| carogray1 | page.parent.menuTitle and page.parent.url | 01:47 |
| carogray1 | Is it reasonable that it would also have page.child.menuTitle, page.child.title and page.child.url? | 01:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam! | 01:51 |
| +patspam | morning =) | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | There are new Story Manager templates today. It is a good day. | 01:53 |
| +patspam | awesome! | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, and WebGUI 7.8.0 is now using YUI 2.8.0r4 | 01:55 |
| +patspam | sweet, I read the yui release notes the other day, looks like they're adding some fun things | 01:55 |
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| +patspam | was it painful to upgrade? | 01:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg did the commit, sounds like it was mostly making element-beta into element | 01:56 |
| +patspam | yay for yui back-compatibility | 01:56 |
| +perlDreamer | although | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | frodwith: ping | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | or, preaction: ping | 01:57 |
| +patspam | I've got a few yui widget subclasses, they will probably take more work | 01:57 |
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| @preaction | yes'm | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | What can a template attachment hold? | 01:57 |
| @preaction | JS or CSS | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | so, if a template attachment used to point to element-beta, it would need to be upgraded? | 01:58 |
| @preaction | yes | 01:58 |
| @preaction | the idea is that we should be using template attachments instead of extra head tags, because attachments can be fixed like this | 01:58 |
| @preaction | which reminds me, i should probably tell the template group that | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll have to make sure that both FilePump and template attachments get updated before I release 7.8.0 tomorrow. | 01:58 |
| @preaction | and then, hopefully, file pump packages will be added to the attachments thing | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | for the element-beta -> element change | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | all right, what is this utmz string I see in lots of cookies? | 02:02 |
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| mducharme | new story manager templates? | 02:05 |
| mducharme | oh great | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | want a preview? | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | the story one is still a little rough, but edit story and topic look much better | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | and the archive, well, the archive will always just be a list of stories. | 02:06 |
| SDuensin | Evening gang. | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | howdy, SDuensin | 02:09 |
| * SDuensin voted, too. | 02:09 | |
| +perlDreamer | hey, any chance you could look at that old package bug, with a different log level? | 02:10 |
| SDuensin | Yes, but not right now. | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | awwwwww, but I asked nicely and everything! | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, I'm channeling a 10-year old right now | 02:11 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 02:11 |
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| SDuensin | I did something truly twisted today... | 02:14 |
| * perlDreamer puts on the child safe filter | 02:14 | |
| SDuensin | After selecting "WebGUI" as my CMS award vote, I installed Plone. | 02:15 |
| @preaction | how nice is it? | 02:15 |
| @preaction | i've been learning Django | 02:15 |
| SDuensin | Amazingly, the damn thing is useable these days. :-) | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | don't look boys, the bad man will go away | 02:15 |
| @preaction | Django has some very very nice rapid application dev practices | 02:15 |
| SDuensin | It's very clean and professional looking. Even the installer is slick. | 02:15 |
| @preaction | something i'd love to see in webgui | 02:15 |
| SDuensin | However, from the brief time I spent poking at it, it doesn't feel as malleable as WebGUI. | 02:16 |
| SDuensin | Then again, I only gently poked it with a stick. | 02:16 |
| SDuensin | They've got a self-updater kinda thing that would be like a script that updated the WRE and WebGUI together. But don't be too impressed - it didn't work for me. :-) | 02:18 |
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| * perlDreamer is going to take a dinner break, and then I'm going to rip out every bit of broken caching in the Shop. | 03:42 | |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, you got a couple of minutes? | 04:18 |
| +perlDreamer | Shop/AddressBook caches addressses internally. | 04:18 |
| +perlDreamer | When an address book is deleted, it also deletes all the addresses from the databases. I think that leaves the addresses cached indefinitely. | 04:19 |
| +perlDreamer | and an address contains a reference back to the book, which contains a link back to the session | 04:20 |
| +perlDreamer | even without deleting, I think we could do a superbowl flush attack against a webgui website, by creating dozens of address books with addresses for visitors. | 04:22 |
| +perlDreamer | "A system that demonstrably meets the most important needs in an effective (if inelegant) way and works today is better than a system that theoretically meets all perceived needs in a breathtaking way but may not be available yet." --chromatic | 05:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I think he was covertly talking about WebGUI | 05:02 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * raf07dc8 / lib/WebGUI/Shop/AddressBook.pm : Fix POD in AddressBook. - http://bit.ly/aN7A9 | 05:49 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re19c5ee / (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Address.pm t/Shop/Address.t): | 05:49 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Allow addressBookId to be updated in an Address. | 05:49 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: This is required for Address Book merging to work correctly in | 05:49 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Shop::AddressBook->newBySession. - http://bit.ly/1MO00b | 05:49 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2ccf2ca / (5 files in 4 dirs): | 05:49 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: More tests for bug fix #11009. | 05:49 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Abstract out making a session in WebGUI::Test. Update POD | 05:49 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: in Shop/Address. Add tests for newBySession, showing that | 05:49 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: the previous commit that allows update to update addressBookId | 05:49 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: actually fixed the bug in question. - http://bit.ly/2YKi4d | 05:49 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r90b4243 / (4 files): | 05:49 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Unify the story manager upgrade packages for 7.8.0. | 05:49 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Also, using Tabb's awesome improved templates. - http://bit.ly/8c4A8 | 05:49 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf2e8d6a / (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Address.pm t/Shop/Address.t): | 05:49 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Allow addressBookId to be updated in an Address. | 05:49 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: This is required for Address Book merging to work correctly in | 05:49 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Shop::AddressBook->newBySession. - http://bit.ly/Rguoa | 05:49 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r323edd8 / (5 files in 4 dirs): | 05:49 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: More tests for bug fix #11009. | 05:49 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Abstract out making a session in WebGUI::Test. Update POD | 05:49 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: in Shop/Address. Add tests for newBySession, showing that | 05:49 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: the previous commit that allows update to update addressBookId | 05:50 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: actually fixed the bug in question. - http://bit.ly/1rz2Xq | 05:50 |
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| elnino | is there documentation on the YUI drop list menu system? | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | perhaps on dev.yahoo.com? | 06:58 |
| elnino | I'm looking specifically at the sitenav | 06:58 |
| elnino | template. | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not seeing any sitenav template. | 07:00 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino: which version is this? | 07:01 |
| elnino | 7.6.35 | 07:01 |
| +perlDreamer | what's the URL of the template? | 07:01 |
| elnino | webgui7/style3/hierarchical-top-nav | 07:01 |
| elnino | it's the same as hirarachical top nav, but the scriptis in a different place to allow foryou to have more than one of these on a page. | 07:02 |
| +perlDreamer | p.s. Kathy says "Hi, and congratulations on your award." | 07:03 |
| elnino | thanks! | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/menu/ | 07:05 |
| elnino | and http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/articles/skinning/ | 07:06 |
| elnino | "Hi" to Kathy too! was she at WUC again? | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | She got to come on Thursday night, because it was the first week of school for Peter and Tim | 07:08 |
| elnino | what grades? | 07:08 |
| +perlDreamer | 5th and 3rd, respectively | 07:08 |
| elnino | oh. I thought they were younger than that. | 07:08 |
| elnino | BTW, I can't seem to make the tab navigation to work. It just displays hyperlinks, I have a feeling it's supposed to look like tabs. =) | 07:10 |
| elnino | I did a page of every type of nav, just trying tofigure out al my options webgui has. never really looked at them before. | 07:11 |
| elnino | And it doesn't seem to be much docs on it. what wiki should I start one on? Use? design? | 07:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Use | 07:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I tried the Tabs navigation template on a demo-type site, and while ugly, it seems to work okay. | 07:16 |
| elnino | url? | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | uh, on my laptop | 07:17 |
| elnino | oh. =) | 07:17 |
| +perlDreamer | http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1253593858_979/ | 07:18 |
| elnino | you're faster than me... | 07:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm well practiced | 07:18 |
| elnino | unless you somehow get a perm demo. | 07:19 |
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| elnino | yep, doesn't look like that. Just looks like a horizontal menu (just hyper links) | 07:19 |
| elnino | and 7.6 is closed right? | 07:20 |
| +perlDreamer | mostly | 07:20 |
| +perlDreamer | someone has been making community releases with key bugfixes | 07:20 |
| +perlDreamer | but the template changes wouldn't be done like that. | 07:20 |
| +perlDreamer | it's too big of a change | 07:20 |
| +perlDreamer | what _does_ it look like on 7.6? | 07:21 |
| elnino | just like the horizontal nav - list of hyperlinks. no boxes. | 07:22 |
| elnino | 7.7 is different. | 07:22 |
| elnino | I mean, in the template properties. lot of new stuff. | 07:22 |
| elnino | interesting. | 07:22 |
| +perlDreamer | there's template packing, which is a performance improvement | 07:23 |
| +perlDreamer | and template attachments | 07:23 |
| +perlDreamer | which allows the templates to tell webgui which files they're including, so that they only get called for once. | 07:24 |
| elnino | yeah... how do I select the code? in firefox, it just blinks at me and unhighlights what I just attempted to highlight. | 07:24 |
| +perlDreamer | "select the code"? | 07:24 |
| elnino | copy paste | 07:24 |
| elnino | ctrl-a just blinks | 07:24 |
| +perlDreamer | you're trying to copy from 7.7? | 07:24 |
| elnino | yes. | 07:24 |
| elnino | to compare the code | 07:25 |
| elnino | of the template | 07:25 |
| elnino | for tabs | 07:25 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be a bug | 07:25 |
| elnino | =) | 07:25 |
| elnino | I thought there was an option to get out of that mode that Im in. and just give me a normal textbox. | 07:25 |
| elnino | oh. If I MANUALLY select, it works. gull, I have to drag my mouse? | 07:26 |
| +perlDreamer | file a bug, and we'll assign it to preaction | 07:27 |
| +perlDreamer | he loves working on JS bugs | 07:27 |
| elnino | oh they really changed the template code. | 07:27 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a lot better than it used to be | 07:27 |
| +perlDreamer | there are only a few bummers | 07:28 |
| +perlDreamer | the biggest of which is that ALL of the templates haven't been revised yet. | 07:28 |
| +perlDreamer | The Collaboration System is next on their list | 07:28 |
| elnino | what version is this I'm looking at? | 07:29 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.7.20 | 07:29 |
| +perlDreamer | you could export a package of the new template and import it on your site | 07:29 |
| +perlDreamer | you'll also need /navigation.css to go with it, though | 07:29 |
| elnino | I'll do that, so as a general rule, do packages backport nicely? | 07:31 |
| +perlDreamer | as a general rule, yes | 07:31 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r863e384 / (2 files): Fix POD for Sku definitions. - http://bit.ly/VEVaf | 07:34 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rda2477d / (2 files): Fix POD for Sku definitions. - http://bit.ly/BRWDi | 07:34 |
| elnino | in the navigation help, page.isTopOfBranch talks about root. | 07:42 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, /root | 07:43 |
| elnino | is that ROOT ROOT, or the root of where the navigation asset is starting from | 07:43 |
| elnino | ok. | 07:43 |
| +perlDreamer | ROOT ROOT | 07:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I like that | 07:43 |
| elnino | =) what do I use for the daugher of where the navigation is starting from other than level = 0? | 07:44 |
| elnino | page.depthis0 | 07:44 |
| +perlDreamer | relDepth | 07:44 |
| elnino | relDepthIs0? | 07:44 |
| elnino | er page.relativeDepthIsN | 07:45 |
| +perlDreamer | exactly | 07:45 |
| elnino | k | 07:45 |
| +perlDreamer | page.depthIs is absolute depth | 07:45 |
| elnino | so.. why did you guys just do bullet lists for ALL navigation and just use csss to style them to whatever? | 08:00 |
| +perlDreamer | you'd need to ask a designer that. | 08:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm just a perl coder | 08:00 |
| elnino | just. | 08:01 |
| elnino | =) | 08:01 |
| +perlDreamer | well, I do play a little tuba, too | 08:01 |
| elnino | really? | 08:01 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 08:01 |
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| elnino | I play french horn. Alll we need now is two trumpets and trombone, we could ahve a quintet at th next wuc | 08:01 |
| +perlDreamer | there ya go! | 08:02 |
| elnino | know any? | 08:02 |
| +perlDreamer | although, I'm not paying for an airplane seat for my tuba to travel with me | 08:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd rather have Kathy | 08:02 |
| elnino | hmm. I'm lucky the horn fit under the seat. Hadn't thought about that about a tuba. | 08:02 |
| elnino | s/fit/fits | 08:02 |
| elnino | where do you travel from again? | 08:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Portland | 08:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Oregon | 08:04 |
| elnino | beautiful out there. Thatwas my bestest vacation without my hubby | 08:04 |
| +perlDreamer | We like it out here | 08:04 |
| +perlDreamer | and we have the 2nd best farmer's market in the country | 08:04 |
| +perlDreamer | right after Madison, WI | 08:05 |
| elnino | a gal at work asked me if I wanted to go that weekend, and to her surprise, I said yes. So we bought tickets without a plan and just took off, and went a long the coast visited tons of waterfalls. | 08:06 |
| +perlDreamer | You went up the Columbia Gorge, then. | 08:06 |
| +perlDreamer | wait, you said coast | 08:06 |
| elnino | no idea. | 08:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, preaction: I'm adding a new test module for testing numbers within tolerances | 08:07 |
| +perlDreamer | Test::Number::Delta | 08:07 |
| @preaction | ok | 08:07 |
| elnino | we drove alot I think we went over to washington | 08:08 |
| elnino | we went up and around and then back then up and the other direction. | 08:09 |
| +perlDreamer | oh yeah, I've been there | 08:09 |
| elnino | lol | 08:11 |
| +patspam | perlDreamer: does Test::Deep not do what you want? | 08:12 |
| +perlDreamer | You're thinking of using cmp_deeply($scalar, num($target, $delta), 'comment'); ? | 08:13 |
| +patspam | yeah | 08:13 |
| +perlDreamer | you'd deny me the pleasure of adding a new module? :( | 08:14 |
| +patspam | hah no way, add away! just interested what else Test::Number::Delta can do | 08:14 |
| +perlDreamer | it can test for non-inclusiveness | 08:15 |
| +perlDreamer | which we haven't need yet | 08:15 |
| +patspam | interesting | 08:15 |
| +perlDreamer | but if we stick with Test::Deep, all the current WRE's in the world will still be happy | 08:16 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r50d3f48 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Extend existing non-recurring Subscriptions when rebought. Fixes bug #11010 - http://bit.ly/1sMUMw | 08:19 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3acaea2 / t/Asset/Sku/Subscription.t : Remove bad test requirement. - http://bit.ly/PMW5p | 08:19 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5819be8 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Extend existing non-recurring Subscriptions when rebought. Fixes bug #11010 - http://bit.ly/jukV3 | 08:19 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r7ae8186 / t/Asset/Sku/Subscription.t : Remove bad test requirement. - http://bit.ly/13s3Io | 08:19 |
| * perlDreamer is going to call it a night | 08:21 | |
| +perlDreamer | more bug fixing tomorrow | 08:21 |
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| elnino | hi. | 09:22 |
| elnino | do you have somethign that "pushes" a download file out to the user so they don't know the url of the file? | 09:23 |
| elnino | Some people call it "streaming" the file. but I don't see anything on webgui's site. | 09:23 |
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| @preaction | we could get rid of locking entirely | 09:29 |
| @preaction | elnino: yes, it's a setting i think, use_streaming_files. it's extremely slow | 09:30 |
| elnino | setting? where? | 09:31 |
| @preaction | sorry, config | 09:31 |
| elnino | I only wnat to use it for some of the pdfs. | 09:31 |
| @preaction | not sure that'll work | 09:31 |
| @preaction | but, you could make a custom File asset | 09:31 |
| @preaction | override the www_view to stream the file to the user | 09:31 |
| @preaction | what's the use-case? | 09:32 |
| elnino | 'k. but this site will be hosted at pb. | 09:32 |
| @preaction | er... and it's 1:30am! | 09:32 |
| elnino | yeah, I know. | 09:32 |
| elnino | I was gogin to bed at 10PM. | 09:32 |
| elnino | they want to "prevent" competitors to download some of their manuals | 09:32 |
| @preaction | eh, i was going to bed at 11, here i am :p | 09:32 |
| @preaction | uh... | 09:32 |
| @preaction | uhhhh | 09:32 |
| elnino | so they want a form the user fills in, then push out the file. | 09:33 |
| @preaction | oh jeez | 09:33 |
| elnino | they have to provide the "correct answers" | 09:33 |
| elnino | I know. | 09:33 |
| elnino | my other company went on this type of kick too. | 09:33 |
| @preaction | why use technical barriers when legal barriers are just as good? | 09:33 |
| @preaction | well, anyway | 09:34 |
| elnino | don't want to give out company secrets. nothing on the web is a secret. sorry. | 09:34 |
| @preaction | exactly | 09:34 |
| elnino | ok. well. I sleep on this one too. I'm going to bed now really. | 09:35 |
| @preaction | lucky | 09:35 |
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| bartjo1 | morning pascal`, do we also have WebGUI users in South Africa now? | 11:42 |
| pascal` | hi hartjol | 11:45 |
| pascal` | *bartjol | 11:45 |
| pascal` | I'm thinking about it | 11:45 |
| pascal` | I'm just builing a personal CMS, and I have only two requirements - a blog and a wiki | 11:45 |
| pascal` | and I think webgui might be too 'heavy' for my needs | 11:45 |
| bartjo1 | ah | 11:54 |
| bartjo1 | well, you can turn off options in the config | 11:54 |
| bartjo1 | have you tried the demos? | 11:56 |
| bartjo1 | pascal`: and there is a complete dutch translation, not sure how similar south-african and dutch are, but there should be some similarities | 11:58 |
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| pascal` | I've played with the demo quite a bit | 12:17 |
| pascal` | I speak English, as do most South Africans. Afrikaans is the language which would be similar to Dutch, but I think there's been quite a divergence in the last 350 years | 12:18 |
| pascal` | *most South Africans speak English, but not as a first language | 12:19 |
| bartjo1 | ah | 12:20 |
| bartjo1 | will you host it yourself? | 12:21 |
| pascal` | bartjol, yes | 12:38 |
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| bartjo1 | well, with the wre the install is quite easy, but reading the install options is essential though (some different extra packages are needed for different linux distros | 12:46 |
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| SquOnk | Morning. | 14:44 |
| carogray1 | morning | 14:45 |
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| xdanger | I'm wondering is there a way to reveal the SQLReports url to its own query? The ^Page(url); returns the layouts url if the report is included in that. | 15:13 |
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| carogray | ok - just jumping right in here with a question, not bothering to wait to see if I am interruping anyone as PerlDreamer told me to do yesterday: | 15:37 |
| carogray | why would you use IF page loop? why don't you just use page loop? | 15:38 |
| carogray | in a navigation template specifically | 15:38 |
| ryuu_ro | well for example if you want to check if there are pages to include in the navigation on a page, and based on that print out something like "yes there are menu item no this page" | 15:44 |
| ryuu_ro | so you can check if there really is a menu on that page | 15:45 |
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| carogray | if navigation template has: | 17:31 |
| carogray | page.parent.menuTitle and page.parent.url | 17:31 |
| carogray | Is it reasonable that it would also have page.child.menuTitle, page.child.title and page.child.url? | 17:31 |
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| ckotil | as far as I can tell there are no page.child. template variables | 17:38 |
| ckotil | im looking at lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm | 17:38 |
| carogray | ugh -there goes that theory. | 17:41 |
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| ckotil | Im sure you could modify Navigation.pm to loop through the children, but it might be costly to performance | 17:49 |
| carogray | ok - think I was barking up the wrong tree - now going to coolmenu to see if I can modify that | 18:20 |
| carogray | at the min coomenu gets its styles from extras..... | 18:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning folks! | 18:37 |
| @Haarg | morning | 18:37 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r2920f49 / lib/WebGUI/AssetBranch.pm : add missing fields to edit branch - http://bit.ly/3y0C2z | 18:56 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r8efdc04 / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.0/root_import_storymanager.wgpkg : fix bad macro usage in story manager template - http://bit.ly/ziq7P | 18:56 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r16a102c / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : note YUI upgrade - http://bit.ly/ICibx | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: what bad macro usage? | 18:58 |
| @Haarg | ^/;url rather than ^/(url); | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | was that in the head tags? | 18:58 |
| @Haarg | i think so | 18:59 |
| @Haarg | address book tests are failing | 18:59 |
| @Haarg | actually, i didn't fix all the macro problems | 19:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | AddressBook is a bad plan | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I've fixed it | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | i18n/template.t is failing due to bad i18n from the wiki page featured page stuff | 19:02 |
| @Haarg | more element-beta in the storymanager stuff, i guess i'll look through all of them | 19:02 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r6c9c664 / t/Shop/AddressBook.t : Fix a bad plan in the AddressBook test. - http://bit.ly/2DtDjr | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I was wrong about the i18n tests failing. I was cross branched. | 19:05 |
| @Haarg | can you take a look at the carousel changes in yui 2.8? | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 19:06 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * rc5b7785 / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.0/root_import_storymanager.wgpkg : fix macro usage and element-beta URLs in story manager templates - http://bit.ly/fS9oS | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | carousel-beta, perhaps? | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | yep, looks like carousel was promoted from beta to stable | 19:10 |
| @Haarg | ? | 19:10 |
| @Haarg | it's listed as beta on the yui site | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | ls www/extras/yui/build/carousel/ | 19:11 |
| @preaction | 2.8 was release last week, maybe they haven't updated the site yet? | 19:11 |
| @Haarg | also, the carousel release notes don't mention it | 19:12 |
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| @Haarg | interesting | 19:12 |
| @Haarg | no more -beta urls | 19:13 |
| @Haarg | guess that's more stuff to fix | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | it's enough of an upgrade hassle that it's really better for us that they fixed it | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | but..., now we need to check them all | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to see if we can do some gnarlier regexen in the SQL. | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | hm, doesn't look like it | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | there's also profilerviewer, selector, and imagecropper | 19:18 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r43f6dce / t/Shop/AddressBook.t : Fix a bad plan in the AddressBook test. - http://bit.ly/1TVbAK | 19:19 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbd2fd0d / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.19-7.8.0.pl : Also convert carousel from beta to stable in JS urls. - http://bit.ly/AZiWD | 19:19 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * rfcf73a4 / (2 files in 2 dirs): remove beta from urls for carousel and imagecropper - http://bit.ly/2pFjXl | 19:21 |
| @Haarg | those are the only beta URLs i've seen | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | is imagecropper in the head tags/templates? | 19:23 |
| @Haarg | nope | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | then we should have them all | 19:23 |
| @Haarg | carousel is the only thing in the templates using -beta urls | 19:24 |
| @Haarg | (was) | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I try to keep up with you, Haarg :) | 19:24 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r4fc3e55 / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : remove debug logging statements - http://bit.ly/b3kba | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: do the edit branch changes need to be backported? | 19:31 |
| @Haarg | i will backport them yes | 19:31 |
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| @preaction | wtf, the bug with the weird formatting went away on this site after i removed the bad stuff | 19:38 |
| @preaction | i mean the =~0~= thing | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | huh? | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | we know not of what you speak, sahib | 19:39 |
| @Haarg | the bad stuff? | 19:39 |
| @Haarg | the code editor breaks javascript | 19:39 |
| @preaction | it wasn't breaking the template, it was adding more crap to it | 19:39 |
| @preaction | you could delete that crap and save, and i just did and now the crap didn't come back | 19:40 |
| @preaction | weird, i'll have to do more testing | 19:40 |
| @Haarg | very | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we should look at YUI's JS testing framework? | 19:40 |
| @preaction | the problem is they're using some kind of find-replace {SOMETHING} and it's stupid and i hate it | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | they = Dav and YUI? | 19:41 |
| @preaction | yeah | 19:41 |
| @preaction | nope, looks like it does completely destroy javascript | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, on the inherit url from parent bug, does that site use a gateway URL? | 19:47 |
| @Haarg | no | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | that's good | 19:50 |
| +perlDreamer | because that means I found the bug and it will be commited shortly | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | well, I may have misspoken | 20:10 |
| +perlDreamer | it will be committed after I run the test suite and go to the gym | 20:10 |
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| @Haarg | http://smoke.plainblack.com:8010/builders/centos53-wre-WebGUI/builds/11 finally a passing test run | 20:49 |
| @Haarg | the warnings are false positives, i've adjusted the config to eliminate them. | 20:49 |
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| carogray | ^H(); would you put this around an image, like your logo so if you click on it, it takes you straight "home"? | 21:15 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9d438f7 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/Asset.t): Fix bad URLs from happening when inheritUrlFromParent is used. Fixes bug #11011 - http://bit.ly/43OUHr | 21:47 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * red4d917 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/Asset.t): Fix bad URLs from happening when inheritUrlFromParent is used. Fixes bug #11011 - http://bit.ly/MfwQL | 21:47 |
| +perlDreamer | carogray, you could use ^H(); to do that | 21:48 |
| carogray | just checking - nothing obvious seems to be working today | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | a lot of the macros are easy ways of getting access to information from the settings | 22:07 |
| +perlDreamer | home page | 22:07 |
| +perlDreamer | company email, company name, company url | 22:07 |
| +perlDreamer | and so on | 22:07 |
| @Haarg | http://smoke.plainblack.com:8010/builders/centos53-wre-WebGUI/builds/12 now that there's a fully passing test i should set up the mail notification | 22:08 |
| +perlDreamer | what's the part about "warnings", Haarg? | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | anything that's valid TAP should be ignored | 22:09 |
| @Haarg | it doesn't know tap | 22:10 |
| @Haarg | it has a regex for finding warnings. the default wasn't very good. i just removed it for now. | 22:10 |
| @Haarg | you think WARN is good for the webgui log on the test run? | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | are we limited in file space? | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | the more info we can pull, the better | 22:13 |
| @Haarg | no real limit | 22:14 |
| @Haarg | those logs are live btw while the tests run | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | that's handy | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, re the account.css bug, if I just remove the link to the one in extras, it seems to work fine | 22:21 |
| @Haarg | we should probably check through that file and move any rules we actually want to the file in the import node | 22:22 |
| @Haarg | is it the extras one or the import one that has the yui file copied into it? | 22:23 |
| +perlDreamer | the one in extras has the yui file copied | 22:23 |
| +perlDreamer | what about the other complaint that SD had about that? styling the body and all? | 22:24 |
| +perlDreamer | doesn't the account system CSS supersede the site's? | 22:25 |
| @Haarg | well, we shouldn't be applying global styles like that anywhere but in the style template | 22:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, the file in extras has what appears to be styles in progress. | 22:34 |
| +perlDreamer | for the most part, everything in extras exists in the snippet | 22:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | all style names were prefixed with WG | 22:34 |
| +perlDreamer | in the snippet | 22:35 |
| +perlDreamer | and the YUI was removed | 22:35 |
| +perlDreamer | removing the globals doesn't seem to hurt anything, either | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to grab some lunch, and think more on it. | 22:38 |
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| ckotil | anyone ever see the wre service scripts and console not like mysqld? it cant tell when mysqld is running. it stops it OK, but wont start it and return OK. it starts and returns FAIL | 22:41 |
| @Haarg | is there a /etc/my.cnf file? | 22:44 |
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| ckotil | no. just /data/wre/etc/my.cnf | 23:10 |
| @preaction | okay, when i break the code editor out of the tabform, i can't reproduce the problem | 23:16 |
| @Haarg | that sounds like a wonderful problem to diagnose | 23:17 |
| @preaction | that's it, i know exactly where it's happening, but i have no idea why | 23:18 |
| @preaction | because it only seems to happen once. then after a refresh it doesn't happen. wtf | 23:22 |
| @preaction | no, that's not right either. it reliably happens inside the real tabform | 23:22 |
| @preaction | but when i copy/paste that page to another page, it doesn't happen | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, you're just bugalicious | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, from the ThingyRecord, we know that CodeEditor clashes with other stuff | 23:30 |
| @preaction | looks like it's just the code editor fixing the code inside of it when saved again | 23:32 |
| @tavisto | dude I'm not having a good streak | 23:32 |
| @tavisto | which means you guys aren't going to either | 23:32 |
| @preaction | why must you be a hater? | 23:33 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc7e7b6e / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/User.pm): remove debug code from CSRF code. - http://bit.ly/cmnA8 | 23:36 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r72ba207 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/User.pm): remove debug code from CSRF code. - http://bit.ly/4aQYLE | 23:36 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, there's your TRUE bug fixed | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Spanish at 86% and climbing | 23:39 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Indeed ;-) | 23:44 |
| @tavisto | dude my bug find rate must be above 95% | 23:45 |
| @tavisto | and I'm just trying to do work and run into YOUR bugs | 23:45 |
| @tavisto | why I am the victim of your crimes | 23:45 |
| SquOnk | tavisto: Does that bug you? <g> | 23:45 |
| @tavisto | aiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiie! | 23:45 |
| @tavisto | *tavisto pulls out machine gun* | 23:45 |
| * SquOnk pulls BFG | 23:45 | |
| * SquOnk has quad damage | 23:46 | |
| @tavisto | gah gah gah..... gah gah gah..... gah gah gah... | 23:46 |
| @tavisto | HEADSHOT | 23:46 |
| * SquOnk has invisibility | 23:46 | |
| * SquOnk has haste | 23:46 | |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto has heat seeking developer missiles | 23:46 |
| @tavisto | but SquOnk has no head | 23:46 |
| SquOnk | ...so you only see green blobs coming at you | 23:46 |
| @tavisto | so what good is a fast moving invisible headless corpse | 23:46 |
| SquOnk | 42 vic^H^H^Hstudents in one course, 20 in the other | 23:47 |
| SquOnk | Doing damage for a better world, free of Java and PHP. | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, now, how about you talk to your neighbors to the East and get us a Portuguese translation going? | 23:57 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Southeast actually | 23:57 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Don't have any friends there, though | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Hm, the Geography is strong with this one | 23:57 |
| SquOnk | Ever since I was five. | 23:58 |
| SquOnk | I haven't updated to the latest *tans and scrambled eastern european countries though. | 23:59 |
| @preaction | okay, i've fixed the JS bug in the code editor, but it's a YUI bug of course | 23:59 |
| SquOnk | preaction: YUI 2.8 is out | 23:59 |
| * perlDreamer pokes preaction: "Isn't that what you said about the last one?" | 23:59 | |
| --- Day changed Wed Sep 23 2009 | ||
| @preaction | yes, but it still exists there | 00:00 |
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| @preaction | er... yes, it is a yui bug, i just overrode yui to fix it | 00:00 |
| @preaction | anyway, gonna fix it and put in a pull request | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | hopefully it makes r5 | 00:00 |
| @Haarg | is that other bug you worked around fixed in 2.8.0r4? | 00:01 |
| @preaction | i don't know. i can check | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | what do y'all think about bartjols zipcode bug: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11018 | 00:04 |
| SquOnk | 7.7 needs YUI 2.6, 2.7 or 2.8? | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | 2.6 | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.8 needs 2.8 | 00:04 |
| SquOnk | Good. | 00:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | re zipcode capitalization. It almost seems worse to change the user's input. | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I did a bunch of wikipedia work, and it seems as though no zip code in the world uses lower case | 00:06 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: We use numbers here. | 00:08 |
| @preaction | yay, it's a known bug. it's been known since 2.6, and Dav added the workaround for the Editor in 2.8 because whomever is not applying this patch | 00:13 |
| @preaction | http://yuilibrary.com/projects/yui2/ticket/2482441 | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: does DataForm list pagination need to be user configurable, or can we use the default? | 00:20 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc16ed6c / (4 files in 3 dirs): | 00:21 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Account CSS cleanup, related to #10029. | 00:21 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Remove file from Extras, remove link to file in an unused account layout | 00:21 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: template. Remove global CSS settings for body, img, a. - http://bit.ly/30O4eW | 00:21 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rd22b370 / (4 files in 3 dirs): | 00:21 |
| @preaction | use the default | 00:21 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Account CSS cleanup, related to #10029. | 00:21 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Remove file from Extras, remove link to file in an unused account layout | 00:21 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: template. Remove global CSS settings for body, img, a. - http://bit.ly/JyIUX | 00:21 |
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| @preaction | there, i got it fixed. stupid hacky workaround, but it's in YUI itself (so i guess I can use it) | 00:34 |
| @preaction | http://yuilibrary.com/projects/yui2/ticket/2482441 <- yeah... | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | you should add a comment to the ticket, talking about how it's impacting CodeEditor, too | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe that'll prompt the bug owner to commit it | 00:36 |
| @preaction | well, it's because i overrode a method that was doing Dav's workaround | 00:36 |
| @preaction | oh hell. this workaround exists in 2.8.0 but not 2.6.0... | 00:38 |
| @preaction | one of those days, i see... | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | if the fix exists in YUI 2.8, what do we do about 7.7, which is still using 2.6? | 00:40 |
| @preaction | hence my comment "one of those days" | 00:40 |
| @preaction | i can fix it. it just gets uglier | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | any thoughts about JS testing? | 00:40 |
| @preaction | yeah that'd be nice | 00:42 |
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| SquOnk | 88.5% | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, are you busting through this yourself, or do you have a heard of minions^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hstudents helping you for extra credit? | 01:11 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I'm doing it myself. There are paying customers interested ;-) | 01:12 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Besides, the students barely speak spanish <g> | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, something about this seems wrong (philosphically) http://gist.github.com/191479 | 01:12 |
| SquOnk | Shortcuts are more like symlinks or true links? | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | symlinks | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | on steroids, since you can override pieces of the original in the shortcut | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | brb | 01:13 |
| SquOnk | So thinking of them as pure "Links" wouldn't do justice, right? | 01:13 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, i think having a callback or something in Paginator would be better | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a good analogy for the basic function | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, me too | 01:18 |
| @preaction | someone have quick time to do me a solid? I'm doing some ugly grotty hack here and I want to make sure it works | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | whaddya need? | 01:29 |
| @preaction | pushing to master, one sec | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | also, do we have some good test cases? | 01:30 |
| @preaction | just one, the root/import/ems/build_badge_default template | 01:33 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r47390c5 / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : narrow down the browser detect - http://bit.ly/Qr5xT | 01:33 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r73f1757 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #11012: Code editor corrupts JS - http://bit.ly/VJQPL | 01:33 |
| @preaction | root/import/ems/badge-builder-default?func=edit <- that | 01:34 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * re76e4c1 / (2 files in 2 dirs): | 01:38 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: fixed #11012: Code editor corrupts JS | 01:38 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Conflicts: | 01:38 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt - http://bit.ly/kNj2C | 01:38 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * rc874d99 / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : narrow down the browser detect - http://bit.ly/63IMJ | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, when I edited that template, it slowly flashed through some weird stuff | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | first, all characters were encoded | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | then there was strike through | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | but it ended up okay | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | might be good to delay showing the editor until it calms down | 01:39 |
| @preaction | encoded was before the editor loaded. strikethrough was before the CSS file loaded | 01:39 |
| @preaction | no ~-0-~ or anything similar in the file? look near the bottom | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | nope | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | FF 3.0.14/linux | 01:41 |
| @preaction | okay, that's it then | 01:41 |
| @preaction | i'll fix the Ctrl+A thing next and then I'm done | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | should we try an IE or Opera? | 01:41 |
| mducharme-work1 | strange | 01:42 |
| @preaction | no nee.... sunnuvabitch | 01:42 |
| * preaction fires up the VM | 01:42 | |
| mducharme-work1 | I'm seeing something weird with file gadgets after the webgui upgrade... | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | mducharme-work1: what is a file gadget? | 01:42 |
| mducharme-work1 | er file asset | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | what do you see? | 01:43 |
| +perlDreamer | if you want to paste a screenshot, I think you can use imagebin.ca | 01:43 |
| mducharme-work1 | well, it's something minor, it has changed its name | 01:43 |
| mducharme-work1 | it was titled with the file name previously | 01:43 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a fixed bug, I believe | 01:43 |
| mducharme-work1 | the name is now "untitled" after the upgrade | 01:43 |
| mducharme-work1 | ok | 01:43 |
| mducharme-work1 | it only affected the one file, so no big deal, just wanted to let you know... | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks :) | 01:44 |
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| mducharme-work1 | when is the stable version in the topic going to be updated | 01:45 |
| mducharme-work1 | heh | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | although, I'm not seeing a changelog entry for it | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, there it is | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | in the gotcha.txt file, for the 7.7.15 upgrade where the new templates from the Template Working Group were imported | 01:48 |
| mducharme-work1 | ok | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | "The linktext is title instead of the filename (RFE #10173)" | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | phew | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I hate missing docs | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | especially when I'm supposed to write them! | 01:48 |
| mducharme-work1 | ok heh | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | the next stable release is September 29th, 7.7.21 | 01:49 |
| mducharme-work1 | right | 01:49 |
| mducharme-work1 | but why does the channel topic still say the current release is 7.7.19-stable | 01:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Radix_ hasn't upgraded it yet | 01:49 |
| mducharme-work1 | ok | 01:49 |
| +perlDreamer | and I don't know how to set it :/ | 01:50 |
| mducharme-work1 | heh | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: opera looks okay, no funny tag at the bottom | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | but I can't add any content with Opera. I know we don't fully support that browser. | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, I can add new content, but not any new blank lines | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | and I can't select in a blank line | 01:53 |
| @preaction | yeah,that's a known issue | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | and I can't put the cursor after an HTML comment | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | do you want me to try an IE? I have 6 and either 7 or 8 handy | 01:55 |
| @preaction | great. still borked in IE7 | 01:55 |
| @preaction | try, please | 01:55 |
| @preaction | i'm wrong, it might just be a 7.7 problem | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | in IE6, I got a JS error pop-up | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | but it's working fine | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | no funny tag at the end | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | line 154, char 9, expecting identifier, string or number | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | also, I haven't looked at 7.7 yet | 02:00 |
| @preaction | perfect. can't fix this in 7.7 | 02:07 |
| @preaction | unless i go even stupider | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | can we backport only the parts that we need from YUI 2.8? | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know if upgrading YUI in 7.7 is an option or not | 02:08 |
| @preaction | it's probably not | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | FF 3.0.13 on Vista works okay | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | IE7/Vista. I deleted one of the extra spaces at the end of the line, and lost all indenting. | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | no funky tag in it, though | 02:13 |
| @preaction | IE7 isn't supposed to have any formatting because of problems with it | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | the indenting worked until I deleted the space | 02:16 |
| @preaction | oh wait, shit, lost all indenting. god... god god god god god | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | hold on there, chief. Take a deep breath. | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | Exhale slowly | 02:20 |
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| elnino | hi. on pb's hosting, do you allow for special settings in the config file? | 02:29 |
| @preaction | yes | 02:29 |
| elnino | but no custom macros. | 02:30 |
| @preaction | correct | 02:30 |
| elnino | just double checking =) | 02:30 |
| elnino | i just might use the enableStreamingUploads setting, but I have to try it first | 02:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, have you ever tried to run t/Asset/Wobject/DataForm/viewList.t twice in a row? | 02:36 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r0955415 / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : grotty fixes for YUI 2.6.0 - http://bit.ly/9TJxq | 02:36 |
| @Haarg | no | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I can only get it to pass on the first try | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | on the 2nd try, and all subsequent tries, it fails | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | the data comes in the wrong order | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | but the asset is being cleaned up | 02:37 |
| @preaction | oh, sorry. must be my bad test code | 02:37 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r1348c51 / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : remove useless code - http://bit.ly/9Tu8S | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | eh, I've done it, too. For submission date order to come out right, you have to sleep inbetween db inserts | 02:41 |
| +perlDreamer | it'd be nice if the granularity on the times was finer | 02:41 |
| +perlDreamer | then it'd be fine | 02:41 |
| @preaction | oh, i thought i did | 02:41 |
| @preaction | because yeah i was having that same problem | 02:42 |
| +perlDreamer | what I don't get is what happens differently the 2nd and 3rd times, from the first. | 02:42 |
| +perlDreamer | it's the same code! | 02:42 |
| +perlDreamer | what matters is doing a db reset | 02:42 |
| @preaction | today is just a messed up day. simple problems become exponentially enhanced | 02:43 |
| @preaction | i need me some chicken wings | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Does chicken wings fix that problem? | 02:44 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I should get some too! | 02:44 |
| @preaction | no, it fixes the emptiness inside me | 02:44 |
| +perlDreamer | "Honest coach, I had to eat them. My boss told me to." | 02:44 |
| @preaction | you can't have even 5 chicken wings? | 02:44 |
| @preaction | lame | 02:44 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the problem | 02:45 |
| +perlDreamer | 5 is just a warm-up | 02:45 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rc102454 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #11019: Ctrl-A blinks and deletes code in code editor - http://bit.ly/SOoYQ | 02:46 |
| @preaction | ah, i suppose | 02:46 |
| @preaction | 10 is a good-sized meal | 02:46 |
| +perlDreamer | speaking of meals... | 02:47 |
| +perlDreamer | dinner time for me | 02:47 |
| +perlDreamer | bbiaw | 02:47 |
| +perlDreamer | after dinner, we should talk release details | 02:47 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r61c88ce / (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #11019: Ctrl-A blinks and deletes code in code editor - http://bit.ly/4wt9Ve | 02:48 |
| @preaction | ok | 02:48 |
| elnino | Thanks preaction | 03:00 |
| @preaction | np, there are some other problems with IE i hope to fix right now | 03:02 |
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| elnino | preaction. when my cliet signs up for hosting there, I;ll be providing the db file and data/domain. what are you currently running? | 03:10 |
| @preaction | if you give us a 7.6.35 dump that would be best | 03:11 |
| @preaction | we can upgrade if necessary, but we can't downgrade | 03:11 |
| elnino | ok. that is what I have. I HOPE its within a week or 2. I want to be done. | 03:12 |
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| * perlDreamer is back | 03:19 | |
| +perlDreamer | thinking of starting release around 6:00-6:30-ish | 03:20 |
| elnino | hmmm. I thught I could use macros in a data form as possible or default values. =( | 03:20 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 03:21 |
| elnino | ok. I must have it wron then. thx | 03:21 |
| +perlDreamer | from the code, it should eval both defaultValue, and value | 03:21 |
| elnino | I guess I have to enable it. | 03:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: you like this better? http://gist.github.com/191602 | 03:57 |
| @Haarg | how would it be used exactly? | 03:59 |
| +perlDreamer | you pass it a callback like $p->setDataByCallback(sub { return $self->entryClass->iterateAll(@_); }); | 04:01 |
| +perlDreamer | it should probably still work with getPageData | 04:01 |
| +perlDreamer | but I'd also like to be able to get the iterator back by the client | 04:01 |
| +perlDreamer | $p->getIterator | 04:01 |
| +perlDreamer | and eventually, it would be nice if getIterator returned an iterator for the other methods, like arrayRef, and SQL | 04:01 |
| +perlDreamer | but I think it really needs to be different sub-classes | 04:02 |
| +perlDreamer | one for arrays, one for SQL, and another for callbacks | 04:02 |
| +perlDreamer | are you thinking, or cringing about the whole concept? | 04:03 |
| @Haarg | thinking | 04:04 |
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| ckotil | upgrading to the wre tongiht! | 04:05 |
| +perlDreamer | w00t! | 04:05 |
| ckotil | im excited | 04:06 |
| ckotil | one thing i overlooked already is an init script to start the wre services at boot via chkconfig. is there a script for that? or will wreservices.pl --start all in rc.local do the job? | 04:07 |
| @Haarg | there are scripts in /data/wre/sbin/services/ | 04:08 |
| @Haarg | they basically just end up calling wreservice.pl though | 04:08 |
| ckotil | nice | 04:08 |
| ckotil | looks good. thanks | 04:08 |
| +perlDreamer | the WRE is pretty polished nowadays | 04:09 |
| ckotil | yah. im using services/webgui at home on my centos5 box | 04:09 |
| ckotil | i just didnt remember where i got it :) | 04:09 |
| ckotil | yah man, its been great. pretty easy (in testing) to move from sourcve install to wre | 04:09 |
| ckotil | and ive been running the wre from my house since spring time in a VM | 04:10 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: how you feel about getting done in the next 15 minutes or so? | 04:11 |
| @preaction | i'm done now, if you want | 04:12 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r0ba360c / t/Asset/Wobject/DataForm/viewList.t : Adjust test to work more than 1 time. - http://bit.ly/4EGjyZ | 04:18 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra3228eb / t/Asset/Wobject/DataForm/viewList.t : Adjust test to work more than 1 time. - http://bit.ly/iiBtd | 04:19 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: I only backported the relevant parts of DataForm/viewList.t to 7.7 | 04:19 |
| @preaction | ok | 04:19 |
| +perlDreamer | having that test is going to help me a lot with the DataForm pagination bug, so thanks :) | 04:21 |
| @preaction | np, i needed to test my feature. them's the rules | 04:22 |
| @Haarg | the more i think about the pagination thing the more i'm not sure how to do it correctly. | 04:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not going to do it now, then. | 04:23 |
| +perlDreamer | well, wait a minute. | 04:25 |
| +perlDreamer | is there a way to do it better, or is there no good way to do it at all? | 04:25 |
| @Haarg | everything i'm coming up with is rather convoluted | 04:28 |
| +perlDreamer | want to talk it out, or chew on it a bit more? | 04:29 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, thoughts on this? http://gist.github.com/191632 | 05:15 |
| @Haarg | not tested (not even a compile check) but it's an idea i've been thinking of. | 05:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | I like it | 05:18 |
| +perlDreamer | it gets rid of our dependence on END | 05:18 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 05:18 |
| @Haarg | allows you to scope things better | 05:18 |
| +perlDreamer | we've talked in the past about having a universal clean-up, instead of usersToDelete, groupsToDelete, etc. | 05:19 |
| +perlDreamer | does %initialize really need to be there? | 05:19 |
| @Haarg | i don't know. everything we use it on would pretty much be $class->new($session, $id) | 05:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I like that it handles any kind of clean-up method | 05:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I see, %initialize is how to build an object, %cleanup is how to delete it | 05:20 |
| +perlDreamer | this would be easier if every object supported ->create, ->new and so on | 05:21 |
| +perlDreamer | it'd be nice to have it fallback to those if it isn't defined, rather than having to define them all | 05:21 |
| @Haarg | well, we have to define the cleanup methods anyway so it doesn't seem like a lot of work. and i'd rather have it explicitly fail for things that we can't handle rather than just punt | 05:22 |
| +perlDreamer | it wouldn't punt, it would call a bad method on an object | 05:23 |
| +perlDreamer | and then fail | 05:23 |
| @Haarg | but it wouldn't know that until it actually tried to do the cleanup | 05:23 |
| @Haarg | i guess having it fail when it tried to detect the cleanup method would work as well though. | 05:26 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, at that point, we have an object that is not going to be cleaned up | 05:27 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re751c7f / (3 files in 2 dirs): Update changelog and upgrade scripts to build shunt from 7.7.20 to 7.8.0 - http://bit.ly/7Fmne | 05:28 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r8964231 / docs/gotcha.txt : added gotcha for shunt point - http://bit.ly/1lczEJ | 05:31 |
| @Haarg | also, some of the cleanup stuff in END constructs new instances of the objects | 05:37 |
| @Haarg | why is that? | 05:37 |
| +perlDreamer | some of the objects cache stuff | 05:40 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be best if they all were rebuilt from the db before being deleted | 05:40 |
| +perlDreamer | how do we handle vital component checking, so we don't delete Content Managers, Visitor, Admin or the Workflows? | 05:42 |
| @Haarg | http://gist.github.com/191651 | 05:43 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 05:44 |
| SquOnk | Spanish 90% | 06:02 |
| SquOnk | Off to sleep. | 06:02 |
| SquOnk | I will be done tomorrow, hopefully. | 06:02 |
| SquOnk | But since I've not checked all of it, we'll need spanish speaking people reporting bugs ;-) | 06:03 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, should it be a warning or an exception if you try to clean up a vital component? | 06:04 |
| +perlDreamer | right now it doesn't do either. It just silently passes by. | 06:04 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 06:05 |
| @Haarg | it seems like it would be bad practice to specify something for cleanup if you didn't actually create it though. | 06:05 |
| +perlDreamer | but for consistency sake, if we tell people to clean-up every object they make, it would be better if it was quiet | 06:08 |
| +perlDreamer | although, if it warned, we'd know that we shouldn't be cleaning up that object... | 06:09 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, I like warn better than exception | 06:09 |
| @Haarg | http://gist.github.com/191660 | 06:16 |
| +perlDreamer | my $cloneSub = $self->_findByIsa($class, \%initialize); =~ s/\%initialize/%clone/; | 06:19 |
| @Haarg | indeed | 06:19 |
| +perlDreamer | s/die/warn/g #?? | 06:20 |
| @Haarg | those get caught by an eval | 06:20 |
| +perlDreamer | it's going to be a couple of hours retrofitting the tests to use that versus the current scheme | 06:22 |
| +perlDreamer | WEBGUI_TEST_DEBUG=1 will help | 06:22 |
| @Haarg | the other question is if i should do something kind of nasty so you don't have to store the sub it returns | 06:23 |
| +perlDreamer | like installing it automatically into the caller's namespace and scope? | 06:23 |
| @Haarg | http://search.cpan.org/~flora/B-Hooks-EndOfScope-0.08/lib/B/Hooks/EndOfScope.pm | 06:24 |
| @Haarg | i don't think i can though | 06:24 |
| +perlDreamer | that only handles compilation | 06:25 |
| +perlDreamer | not execution | 06:25 |
| @Haarg | yeah, there's some other similar way to do it that will handle execution | 06:25 |
| ckotil | I had to back out of the migration to the wre. | 06:38 |
| ckotil | too many problems :/ | 06:38 |
| ckotil | mainly with all vhost. | 06:38 |
| ckotil | and the mod_rewriting involved. | 06:38 |
| ckotil | i also need to remember to prepare a wre ready webgui.conf for the version of webgui that is currently running from source, and NOT the upgraded webgui. | 06:39 |
| +perlDreamer | post them to the admin forum | 06:39 |
| ckotil | lessons learned. | 06:39 |
| ckotil | ah, that's OK. i can figure them out in the days to come | 06:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, you okay with wgd dist building the buildDirectory if it does not exist? | 06:40 |
| +perlDreamer | or should it be done outside? | 06:40 |
| @Haarg | yeah, it should create it | 06:41 |
| @Haarg | so i have some ideas on how i could get this to work so you wouldn't have to save the sub, but there are some problems with it. the main one being that you wouldn't be able to reuse a variable for multiple objects. | 06:43 |
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| @Haarg | it's probably too much weirdness to bother. | 06:44 |
| +perlDreamer | so the caller will need to have a bunch of scope guard object? | 06:47 |
| @Haarg | yes | 06:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't suppose we could stick them in an array in WebGUI::Test, could we? | 06:47 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be the wrong scope | 06:47 |
| @Haarg | we'd get the same behavior we have right now | 06:48 |
| @Haarg | where they would get cleaned up in END | 06:48 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: Colin Kuskie master * r5d95d35 / lib/WGDev/Command/Dist.pm : better build code, that should actually work - http://bit.ly/2Ko7Ei | 06:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, now that we don't have to call individual methods for each object type, it's not so bad | 06:58 |
| @Haarg | actually | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I think people will make one cleanup-call after doing all their setup code | 06:58 |
| @Haarg | i found a reasonable way to do it i think | 06:58 |
| @Haarg | http://gist.github.com/191692 | 07:01 |
| @Haarg | err | 07:01 |
| @Haarg | http://gist.github.com/191693 | 07:02 |
| @preaction | Haarg: do you know why the 7.7.20 upgrade skipped demo sites, but the 7.8.0 upgrade is doing them? | 07:04 |
| @Haarg | no | 07:05 |
| @preaction | weird | 07:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I have no idea how that works | 07:06 |
| @Haarg | it injects a variable into the caller's scope | 07:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | the variable it injects is $guard_uniqueInt | 07:16 |
| @Haarg | yes, and it's a scope::guard object | 07:16 |
| @Haarg | so when the caller's scope ends, it calls the sub | 07:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Will using PadWalker cost us more time than we can save? | 07:17 |
| +perlDreamer | i've heard that it's slow | 07:17 |
| @Haarg | not sure | 07:17 |
| @Haarg | if i was to implement this, what would a good name for the sub be? | 07:18 |
| +perlDreamer | cleanup_scope | 07:18 |
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| @Haarg | you'd think i would have paid more attention to the output of running that script. it doesn't work of course. | 07:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, how do I delete a tag? | 08:10 |
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| +SynQ | boeh! | 11:07 |
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| +SynQ | I wonder, how often do you wash your thingy :P | 12:44 |
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| +SynQ | wtf! where has the wiki gone? | 14:31 |
| +SynQ | have the wiki's gone? | 14:31 |
| +SynQ | This one: http://www.webgui.org/use/community-wiki | 14:32 |
| +SynQ | or this one: http://www.webgui.org/develop/wiki | 14:32 |
| +SynQ | or this one: http://www.webgui.org/admin/wiki | 14:32 |
| +SynQ | they all give me the front page | 14:32 |
| +SynQ | And I want to know how to install wgd | 14:32 |
| @Haarg | http://www.webgui.org/bazaar/wgdev | 14:33 |
| +SynQ | nice | 14:33 |
| +SynQ | I do get pointed to what I need | 14:34 |
| +SynQ | but I don't get what I want :P | 14:34 |
| +SynQ | for that I thank you with this: http://www.google.nl/url?q=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DtGfJ0_KMiro&ei=5Qe6SveVFZ-6jAea5NT0BQ&sa=X&oi=video_result&resnum=5&ct=thumbnail&usg=AFQjCNGMmZJABlwCT19rOT_ebZW0s5Vh1g | 14:35 |
| @Haarg | wikis should be fixed now | 14:42 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r68d7563 / lib/WebGUI/Group.pm : allow WebGUI::Group->vitalGroup to be called on an object - http://bit.ly/4wA8LK | 14:47 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r929c012 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Wikis broken by 7.8.0 upgrade - http://bit.ly/oEc8p | 14:47 |
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| SquOnk | Morning | 15:11 |
| +bartjol | SynQ: you can't always get what you want | 15:15 |
| SquOnk | But if you try hard, you'll get what you need. | 15:16 |
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| * SquOnk is listening to: Dream Theater - Black Clouds and Silver Linings (Disk3) - Instrumental - The Count Of Tuscany (Instrumental) - (17:16/18:47) | 15:17 | |
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| * SquOnk wonders what triggered that action | 15:17 | |
| +bartjol | well, then I will go working on my house, because I need a functional toilet | 15:19 |
| @plainhao | bartjol, you expect too much from a house | 15:19 |
| SquOnk | lol | 15:19 |
| +bartjol | eehe | 15:19 |
| +bartjol | well, I do have to fill the flushing tank with a gardening hose | 15:20 |
| +bartjol | so I set my ewxpectations low | 15:20 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: At least you use a hose. Imagine doing it with a bucket. A small one. With cracks and holes. | 15:21 |
| SquOnk | ...in winter. | 15:21 |
| @plainhao | which country is that? so that i can avoid it :) | 15:21 |
| SquOnk | plainhao: Any country with a winter. | 15:22 |
| SquOnk | For us winter means "dryer" | 15:22 |
| +bartjol | so bye | 15:22 |
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| +MrHairgrease | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m57b782d6 | 17:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm fetching data from website A in latin-1 | 17:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | and try to convert it to utf-8 and put it in a wg site | 17:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | the problem is that some characters are not converted properly | 17:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | being 0091, 0092, 0093 and 0094 | 17:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | any idea what I'm doing worng? | 17:24 |
| @Haarg | what are you doing with the data after passing it through that sub? | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm putting it in a hashref | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | and then put it into a Thread | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | using addChild | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | note: most latin-1 chars convert correctly | 17:26 |
| @Haarg | well, you don't want to encode as utf8 | 17:26 |
| @Haarg | just decode from latin1 and use that | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | tried that as well | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | didn't work | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I can try again | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | also: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/0093/index.htm seems to suggest that 0093 is a utf-16 char | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | the utf-8 equivalent seems to be c293 | 17:27 |
| @Haarg | i can help you some more with it when i get to work | 17:28 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | MrHairgrease: I'll be interested in hearing your solution. What happened when you simply decoded from latin1 to perls internal? | 17:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | the same... | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | wait I'll psate it | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m57ff8cff | 17:32 |
| +perlmonkey2 | have you ruled out is_utf8 modifyng the string? | 17:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | no I haven't | 17:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | but sometimes I get a string that already is converted for some reason | 17:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | dunno why | 17:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | so i have to check | 17:34 |
| +perlmonkey2 | but that would only return true if the utf8 flag was set. Strange. | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | yup | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | I hate encoding issues | 17:35 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hmm, what are you using to grab the text, as perhaps it is trying to do what you are doing. | 17:35 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Yes, everything should be utf-8 and all violators severely punished. | 17:35 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rfae1980 / sbin/changeIobStatus.pl : Fix changeIobStatus script. Missing use line. - http://bit.ly/sHzDs | 17:36 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd0e20a0 / sbin/changeIobStatus.pl : Fix changeIobStatus script. Missing use line. - http://bit.ly/12a3pW | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm using HTML::TreeBuilder::Xpath to grab data | 17:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | which in turn spits out HTML::Element objects | 17:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | or not | 17:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | which depends on what it finds | 17:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | but maybe the problem lies there indeed | 17:38 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hmm, yes, certainly regex's are being performed on the data. | 17:41 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I'd probably try decoding the entire text before performing any other operations on it. | 17:42 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hmmm | 17:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | I could try that | 17:42 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r732afcc / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_InOutBoard.pm : Fix i18n typo, duplicate label with different content. - http://bit.ly/PbGRM | 17:47 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5a53f43 / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_InOutBoard.pm : Fix i18n typo, duplicate label with different content. - http://bit.ly/7WHAw | 17:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | perlmonkey2: nope, didn't work =( | 17:47 |
| +perlmonkey2 | MrHairgrease: hmm, yeah I'm about out of ideas. If you just need the basic ascii characters you can brutalize the text by converting to ascii and dropping failed characters. But conjunctions or anything using a ` vs a ' or something similar will be broken. | 17:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | the weird thing is: all the accented characters seem to convert properly (like e' etc) | 17:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | the stuff like ' and " don't however | 17:50 |
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| +MrHairgrease | is there any way to detect the byte sequence in latin-1 and then manually convert it? | 17:53 |
| @Haarg | how are you getting the data that you are feeding into that function? | 17:58 |
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| @Haarg | morning perlDreamer | 17:58 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, Haarg! | 17:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm fixing the InOutBoard this morning | 17:58 |
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| @Haarg | it's a simple fix. InOutBoard_status => InOutBoard_statusLog | 17:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | haarg: I'm using HTML::TreeBuilder::XPath to grab data from the html i fetched. | 17:59 |
| @Haarg | how did you fetch the html? | 17:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | That returns either HTML::Element or scalars | 18:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | in an array | 18:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | which I join together (HTML::El->as_HTML) | 18:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 18:01 |
| @Haarg | you might try adding utf8::downgrade($text, 1) on the second line of that sub you pasted | 18:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | LWP::Simple | 18:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | get( $url ) | 18:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm does not seem to work | 18:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I might have screwed something up | 18:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | so let me double check | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, the only _status => _statusLog transposition I see is in setting the status, not generating the list of users in the view method. | 18:05 |
| @Haarg | yeah, i was forgetting about the display being broken as well :) | 18:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | nope: didn't screw up after all. It still doesn't work... | 18:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | wait | 18:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | could it be that the browser font just doesn't support those chars? | 18:08 |
| @Haarg | seems kind of unlikely | 18:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | is that what the squares with numbers mean? | 18:08 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, i fixed the iob on frozen | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll pull down a copy, then backfill with tests | 18:10 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r04e44a1 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/InOutBoard.pm : fix in/out board - http://bit.ly/3Ir3sc | 18:10 |
| @Haarg | the method signature on setDataByQuery is rather poor | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, undef | 18:13 |
| @Haarg | what's the deal with the *Test::Builder::failure_output = sub { return \*STDOUT }; line in WebGUI::Test? | 18:14 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the old way to do prove -m | 18:14 |
| @Haarg | do you see a problem with removing it? | 18:14 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 18:14 |
| +perlDreamer | this is the time of the day where I ask you about backporting stuff back to webgui-7.7 | 18:15 |
| @Haarg | yeah, there are a few things i need to do that with | 18:15 |
| @Haarg | i started messing with WebGUI::Test last night and somehow ended up with this: http://gist.github.com/192072 | 18:17 |
| @Haarg | a lot of those changes aren't really needed but i was in the mood for refactoring i guess | 18:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't see anything bad in that | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I would like to start using Test::Apache someday, though | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | it'll prevent us from having to mess with the cookies | 18:19 |
| @Haarg | last time i tried to use Test::Apache i didn't like it much. it took over too much of the process. not sure if it's a real problem or just me being weird though. | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I've never actually used it. | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we should peel out PseudoRequest and publish it on CPAN | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | it'll probably be summarily dismissed because it doesn't use Moose | 18:21 |
| @Haarg | heh | 18:22 |
| @Haarg | odd, that paste got cut off halfway through | 18:22 |
| +perlDreamer | is there a limit on gist? | 18:23 |
| @Haarg | don't know | 18:23 |
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| @Haarg | apparently there is | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm, it look like the 0094 is converted to c294 | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | which is wrong for some reason | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | how do I match on multibyte characters? | 18:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | I can't seem to find that | 18:39 |
| carogray | hi- yall | 18:39 |
| carogray | I just put a couple of new pages and I have about 178, 000 version tags - each named, and I cannot find the pages I just posted. | 18:39 |
| carogray | I assumed it would create a new version tag, which i would then name appropriately | 18:40 |
| carogray | is there any easy way to find most recent changes on the site? | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | carogray, you can edit an existing version tag that is pending | 18:41 |
| carogray | I have tried going to asset manager for the page above and clicked on version tag by version tag to see if the new pages have been "stowed" under some other version tag | 18:41 |
| carogray | ja | 18:41 |
| carogray | but I need to find the version tag that the new pages are under | 18:41 |
| carogray | I tried search with the new URL | 18:41 |
| carogray | no luck | 18:41 |
| carogray | I am of course - or not, but I am exaggerating about the number of version tags we have 178,000 - not really but these are all pending cause we have so many different editors and projects on the boil at once | 18:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | but each version tag should have the username of the user who created it | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | so finding your tags should be easier than searching all 178,000 | 18:44 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, this is what i tried to paste before http://github.com/haarg/webgui/commit/02b986de46b6ad883c3c10a595771aabf7b37361 | 18:44 |
| carogray | yes, but sometimes - inexplicably one ends up doing edits under another version tag | 18:45 |
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| carogray | so even though names are attached to version tags those are only the names of the people who created? the version tag - not the name of the last person who edited in the version tag, right? | 18:45 |
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| carogray | hmm - just tried going to my user name to see if it indicates what version tags I might have been using during last session - nope | 18:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | nope, it's just a way of sorting through the pending version tag list, carogray | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | but that would make a nice Account plugin | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | "show my tags" | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I'm going to backport the InOut board patch, along with the tests and the docs, and close the bug | 19:59 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * r5bb3aa9 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/InOutBoard.pm : fix in/out board - http://bit.ly/2lol9C | 20:01 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra87904c / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 20:01 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Add tests for InOutBoard. documents bug#11024. | 20:01 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Also, add a purge method to clean-up the collateral tables for this asset. - http://bit.ly/3bZTVy | 20:01 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r65f1377 / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 20:01 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Add tests for InOutBoard. documents bug#11024. | 20:01 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Also, add a purge method to clean-up the collateral tables for this asset. - http://bit.ly/17gis2 | 20:01 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r79a544d / (2 files in 2 dirs): Remove debug code from wiki keyword template. Fixes bug#11025. - http://bit.ly/3uLS2I | 20:09 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r02957d5 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Remove debug code from wiki keyword template. Fixes bug#11025. - http://bit.ly/lJPWH | 20:09 |
| @preaction | does the IOB fix also help the Problem With Request I'm getting? | 20:22 |
| @preaction | okay, now it works, that was weird | 20:23 |
| @preaction | if you don't pick a Status, you get problem with request | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a bug | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | please file it, and one of our friendly developers will get to it with all due alacrity | 20:26 |
| @preaction | is this just a random occurance, or was something not properly tested before it was committed to 7.8 | 20:32 |
| @preaction | (iow, should i be getting out the clue-by-four) | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I refactored the IOB at the WUC before the pronouncement | 20:32 |
| @preaction | ah, okay, np then | 20:32 |
| @preaction | it needed it | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | and I did penance by writing the tests for Haarg's fix | 20:33 |
| @preaction | now just need to write some fancy web service for it | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | fix bugs | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | Map bugs | 20:33 |
| @preaction | yes'm | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | fixing bugs is good | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | it increases your Gooeic karma | 20:33 |
| @preaction | yes, but bugs are boring | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | pretty much | 20:34 |
| @preaction | and webgui annoys me, because it lacks features that would stop annoying me | 20:34 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 20:34 |
| +perlDreamer | how 'bout looking at the site with the crowbarred EMS template so we can close 2 bugs with little effort? | 20:34 |
| @Haarg | i'd like to be working on bugs, but i'm fighting a rogue cookie | 20:35 |
| @Haarg | apparently if you set a cookie with a comma in it, apreq2 gives 500 errors | 20:35 |
| +perlDreamer | this bug is beautiful: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11027 | 20:35 |
| @Haarg | it doesn't even get to webgui, so i'm stuck trying to make a rewrite rule to eliminate broken cookies | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | is that a bug in apreq2, or should we be encoding commas when we set cookies? | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | and is 500 the quantity of errors, or the status? | 20:38 |
| @Haarg | it's not a webgui problem exactly. the cookie is getting set by javascript elsewhere. | 20:39 |
| @Haarg | 500 internal server error | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | heh | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | for a second, I was really impressed with the idea of 500 errors being logged into error.log | 20:40 |
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| @preaction | would it be a good idea to start testing for bad practices? like using yahoo-min.js instead of yahoo-dom-event.js? | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't see why not | 20:47 |
| @preaction | or using old, deprecated API methods in core code? like WebGUI::User->profileField (which is now ->get) | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Until we find out why we get those username errors, I think we should hold off on that one | 20:47 |
| @preaction | which reminds me, perlDreamer, you should give me a list of things you want to do in the WebGUI 8 Todo list, ordered by rank, so i can assign things | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | it's already in there | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I want to do, oh! | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll do that | 20:48 |
| @preaction | if you can, have it to me by Friday | 20:48 |
| @preaction | there are going to be a lot of deprecated and/or completely broken stuff in 8, so i'd like to have a way to detect and tell people how to fix | 20:49 |
| @preaction | like how Perl 6 does with Perl 5 code | 20:49 |
| SquOnk | Spanish 94.8% | 20:55 |
| * perlDreamer hands SquOnk some more coffee. | 20:56 | |
| +perlDreamer | you can have a bier at 100% | 20:57 |
| SquOnk | Heh | 20:57 |
| Terminus- | hello. question, does webgui require mod_perl or can it be run as CGI? judging from 'perl preload.perl', it'll be slow. still wondering though. | 20:58 |
| @preaction | requires mod_perl | 20:59 |
| Terminus- | preaction: ok. thanks. | 20:59 |
| SquOnk | Off to class. | 21:01 |
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| @bopbop | preaction | 21:09 |
| @preaction | sup | 21:09 |
| @bopbop | do you know why I'm getting increasingly irritated at you? | 21:09 |
| @bopbop | yes or no? | 21:10 |
| @preaction | nope | 21:10 |
| @bopbop | ok, I'm gonna email you one more time | 21:11 |
| Terminus- | question again, in docs/install.txt, there's a line that says PerlSetVar WebguiConfig www.example.com.conf. which config file is that supposed to be? /data/WebGUI/etc/WebGUI.conf? | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 21:15 |
| Terminus- | perlDreamer: ok. thanks. | 21:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | Terminus, are you using the WRE, or a source install? | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | hosting WebGUI with the WRE will take care of a lot of those kinds of details | 21:17 |
| Terminus- | perlDreamer: source install. i'm testing it right now. trying to see if i can deploy it on a webhost where i don't have root access. not sure if they have mod_perl, but i did see a bunch of mod_perl modules in their list. | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | if you don't have root access, you won't be able to use WebGUI | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | you have to start a daemon for a lot of functionality to work correctly | 21:19 |
| Terminus- | oh right. >_< | 21:19 |
| +perlDreamer | if they can start the daemon for you, that'd work | 21:19 |
| Terminus- | then again, i didn't see anything about not being able to run daemons in their ToS. hehe | 21:19 |
| Terminus- | worst case, i can just cronjob it since the host is a cluster. so i'll have to start the daemon on each node. | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | wait a sec, you just said you don't have root access | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | but you have shell access? | 21:20 |
| Terminus- | perlDreamer: yep. i have ssh access. | 21:20 |
| Terminus- | but... i have no idea what user spectre.pl is supposed to run under. | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know anyone who has tried to invoke spectre as a non-root user | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | this will be interesting :) | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | it uses a non-privileged port | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | so, maybe? | 21:21 |
| Terminus- | perlDreamer: i hope. =D | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | time to go running | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | bbiaw | 21:22 |
| Terminus- | perlDreamer: maybe i should ask my webhost before i do that just to be decent. don't want them wondering why there's something listening on a port. | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be good. | 21:22 |
| ekennedy | Terminus: my guess is that with enough tweaking you could figure out how to get it to work, but as perlDreamer said everything is a whole lot easier if you can use the WRE. | 21:24 |
| Terminus- | ekennedy: yeah, but i'm almost there. i already have it running in ~/public_html with a minimum of root access. | 21:25 |
| Terminus- | and... damnit. i should have made my VM bigger. i just ran out of ram and swap. >_< | 21:26 |
| ekennedy | Terminus-:it would be interesting to figure out how to get the wre installed and working under a non privileged id. My guess is that you could figure that out too. | 21:27 |
| Terminus- | ekennedy: hopefully. i already saw the beginnings of a page at http://example.net/~webgui when my VM crapped out. i should increase the swap. XD | 21:28 |
| Terminus- | i'm fooling around with this on an old athlon XP 2000+ with 512mb ram running xen. i'm pathetic. hahaha | 21:28 |
| Terminus- | but i think i'll continue this tomorrow. need to sleep. still have work later. thanks for entertaining my questions guys. =) | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | see ya later | 21:34 |
| Terminus- | i can't stand it. i'm trying to go for one last test before i really call it quits. XD | 21:35 |
| ekennedy | That sounds familiar and usually ends with staying up to 3am. Just one more try.... | 21:38 |
| Terminus- | haha. it's already 2:40am here. | 21:38 |
| ekennedy | Its a disease.. | 21:39 |
| Terminus- | hmmm... spectre can't find ?op=spectreGetSiteData | 21:48 |
| Terminus- | bah... i'll leave this for later. | 21:48 |
| Terminus- | good night guys. =) | 21:48 |
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| CIA-53 | wrebuild: Eric Kennedy master * r026f872 / build.sh : Fix Bug #10992, Text::Aspell not built correctly (Eric Kennedy, Reformation Technology, LLC) - http://bit.ly/167PkR | 21:54 |
| CIA-53 | wrebuild: Eric Kennedy master * r10b734d / wre/docs/changelog.txt : fixed: 10992 updating changelog - http://bit.ly/94NiX | 21:58 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, did you take a look at my somewhat extensive and probably unneeded WebGUI::Test changes? | 22:29 |
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| elnino | looking for an idea on how to do something... | 22:57 |
| elnino | criteria - no custom code. | 22:57 |
| elnino | unless they chage hosting companies. | 22:58 |
| elnino | customer has about 20 pdfs. they want the user to enter an email and serial number and product. if the serial number is the correct for the product, they want to email a pdf to the user. | 22:58 |
| elnino | I don't think there is a way to do this without a custom workflow. or upon user registration. | 22:58 |
| elnino | because user registration doesn't have any conditional capabilities in it. | 22:58 |
| elnino | or is there a way to use suscriptions or ecommerce in this scenario? | 22:58 |
| carogray | help I am helping a new editor post to his website right now | 23:03 |
| carogray | he has just put in some html for an article and got this error message | 23:03 |
| carogray | Request - URI Too Large | 23:03 |
| carogray | the requested URL's length exceeds the capacity limit for this server. | 23:03 |
| elnino | the url is too long | 23:03 |
| carogray | the URL in the tiny mce html window is | 23:03 |
| carogray | http://www.mcls.net/extras/tinymce/jscripts/tiney_mcs/themes/advanced/source_editor.htm? | 23:03 |
| elnino | the url is based on the title | 23:03 |
| carogray | the is only | 23:04 |
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| carogray | backissues/april-2009-article | 23:04 |
| carogray | the url is | 23:04 |
| carogray | that can't be too long | 23:04 |
| elnino | no. that doesn't seem to be. | 23:05 |
| carogray | right | 23:05 |
| elnino | what wuold be the complete url with domain? | 23:05 |
| carogray | http://www.mcls.net/backissues/april-2009-article | 23:05 |
| carogray | still way shorter than most of the URLs we use | 23:06 |
| elnino | and where is the error showing up? | 23:06 |
| elnino | when they click "ok"? | 23:06 |
| carogray | as soon as he clicks update on the edit html window for rte | 23:06 |
| elnino | oh. | 23:07 |
| elnino | and if he doesn't use that, does the article save ok? | 23:07 |
| carogray | instead of closing html window with stuff appearing in box in rte, instead html editing window displays the error | 23:07 |
| elnino | what version? | 23:08 |
| elnino | does the article save ok if they do not use the html editor? | 23:09 |
| carogray | will try | 23:11 |
| carogray | nope | 23:11 |
| carogray | saved html in notepad | 23:11 |
| carogray | as an htm file | 23:11 |
| carogray | opened in FF | 23:11 |
| carogray | copied from browser | 23:11 |
| carogray | into RTE in WebGUI | 23:12 |
| carogray | looked ok in RTE | 23:12 |
| carogray | saved and still got nada | 23:12 |
| carogray | maybe we should try creating a new article? | 23:13 |
| elnino | yes. I would. | 23:13 |
| elnino | that's pretty weird. | 23:13 |
| elnino | oh... | 23:13 |
| elnino | how long of an artiocle is this? | 23:13 |
| elnino | there is a limit that POST and GET can handle | 23:14 |
| elnino | break the one article into multi articles. | 23:14 |
| elnino | I usually break them up by paragraphs. | 23:15 |
| elnino | or subheadings | 23:15 |
| elnino | when you submit data in a form (to the rte from the html editor , or click "SAVE"), the article's content found in the description field actually appends to the URI as well as the title, and menu title, and all those properties. So that is why you are getting a URI too long error. | 23:17 |
| elnino | kinda. | 23:17 |
| elnino | it's sent via the header. | 23:18 |
| elnino | bopbop did you get my doc? | 23:18 |
| elnino | I hope I explained all the correctly carogray. That is how I atleast understand it. It's true for GET I know, and I suspect it's true about POST. | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I did read through most of them before being called aside to look at some TGCSHOP bugs | 23:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think any of them are unnecessary | 23:21 |
| @Haarg | ok | 23:22 |
| carogray | huh | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm a little concerned about reworking the current test suite to use it, but that's only because the bug list is long | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | otherwise I'd be retrofitting right now | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | You split PseudoRequest into sub files, which is good coding | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | moved important stuff into BEGIN blocks | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | made the new, improved test clean-up system | 23:22 |
| carogray | elnino: I get your explanation | 23:23 |
| elnino | oh good =) | 23:23 |
| carogray | however this article is not as long as many others we have posted | 23:23 |
| @Haarg | and the existing test cleanup stuff all still works | 23:23 |
| elnino | images? | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, it does? | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I read the patch wrong then | 23:23 |
| carogray | so eventhough it makes sense I dont think that' s reason it isn't working - exactly | 23:23 |
| @Haarg | i changed it so it offloads all the actual work to the new stuff i wrote | 23:23 |
| elnino | images count towards that limit | 23:24 |
| @Haarg | but if you call the ->usersToDelete methods etc it cleans it up in END | 23:24 |
| carogray | yeah, I am still not sure this is what the problem is, but we can try it | 23:24 |
| @Haarg | i should probably add some documentation | 23:24 |
| @Haarg | but aside from that, all the tests pass with that change | 23:24 |
| elnino | preaction, I tried the uploadstreaming thing. Not sure what that is supposed to do. My site behaved the same. The PDF opened in the browser window - I expected it to prompt me to open using adobe (non-plugin) or save. Or maybe I undestand it wrong | 23:27 |
| @preaction | look at the URL | 23:28 |
| elnino | it's uploads | 23:28 |
| @preaction | huh, that's wrong | 23:28 |
| @preaction | are you using the ^FileURL() macro still? | 23:29 |
| elnino | no, it's a file asset and I'm clicking on it. | 23:29 |
| elnino | sorry, you're probaby totally confused on what I'm doing over here. =) | 23:29 |
| @preaction | kinda. enableStreamingUploads means that a user who goes to the WebGUI URL for a file will get the file, not be redirected to the uploads directory | 23:30 |
| @preaction | if that is not happening, then that's a bug | 23:30 |
| @preaction | er.. maybe | 23:30 |
| @preaction | wtf does that setting do even? | 23:31 |
| elnino | its referenced in the asset.pm file | 23:31 |
| elnino | it looks like it does what I want. | 23:32 |
| elnino | letmm try again | 23:33 |
| @preaction | it looks like the redirect gets set anyway | 23:33 |
| elnino | $output should be cleared | 23:35 |
| elnino | ? | 23:35 |
| @preaction | no, i don't think the redirect should be set, because the upload is getting streamed | 23:35 |
| elnino | I don't see redirect. | 23:35 |
| @preaction | it's in WebGUI::Asset::File www_view near where it calls setStreamedFile | 23:36 |
| elnino | i see. www_view doesn't know if it's been enabled or not, does it? | 23:41 |
| elnino | and it seems that this works for ANY file, not just images and pdfs, right? | 23:42 |
| elnino | carogray? how did it go? | 23:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | once all templates are in Template::Toolkit, is it a bad idea to replace macros with native Template::Toolkit code? | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | make them filters, or something like that? | 23:55 |
| @Haarg | no, it's a good idea | 23:55 |
| @Haarg | we'll still need macros as they currently exist, but inside templates they should pretty much all be replaced with native calls | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, keep the code but lose the custom syntax | 23:56 |
| @Haarg | we'll still have the custom syntax | 23:58 |
| @Haarg | need it for macros used in content | 23:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | I guess it would be slower to evaluate the templates twice in TT | 00:01 |
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| steve_ | Hi all | 00:11 |
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| @preaction | couldn't we reduce the scope of the macros in content by using TT to call the macro parser? | 00:13 |
| @preaction | that way we don't have the scan the entire template for macros? | 00:13 |
| Mech422 | Anyone know if its possible to configure CS to allow entry of both a thread's title and url ? We'd like to have 'short' urls - like /foo/090923 but still have a real title for the thread ? | 00:14 |
| @preaction | should be able to just expose the URL field to the template | 00:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | Mech422, he means to manually build a form field called url in the submit post template | 00:18 |
| Mech422 | preaction: I'm looking at the CS code now (amazingly compact - I expected it to be huge...) It uses Asset:Post:Thread - should I be adding a custom template to that with the URL field exposed ?? | 00:18 |
| Mech422 | Hey Pd !! How you doing ? | 00:18 |
| @preaction | Mech422: alter the Edit Post template, you don't need to add any code at all | 00:19 |
| @preaction | and really? compact? i wasn't aware i merged my refactor in already | 00:19 |
| @preaction | wait, didn't i add a way to show a template for a Redirect? | 00:22 |
| Mech422 | Would that be the 'Post Form Template' in the CS 'display' tab ? | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm all right, Mech422. Where have you been hiding? | 00:23 |
| @preaction | Mech422: yes | 00:24 |
| Mech422 | pd: eh - here, there, and everywhere :-P picked up a couple of network management clients that are PITA's | 00:24 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * r46a9abe / lib/WebGUI/AssetBranch.pm : add missing fields to edit branch - http://bit.ly/I7L0w | 00:25 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * r195c9ad / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : remove debug logging statements - http://bit.ly/1aYMA4 | 00:25 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * r312fdd6 / (30 files in 13 dirs): use note instead of diag in tests for non-error debug output - http://bit.ly/fHevu | 00:25 |
| @preaction | god damnit the CS pisses me off more and more every single day... | 00:26 |
| @preaction | even if you specify sortOrder in the URL, it will do a toggle | 00:26 |
| Mech422 | <td><tmpl_var subject.label></td> | 00:27 |
| Mech422 | <td><tmpl_var title.form></td> | 00:27 |
| Mech422 | I'm assuming I need to add lines like that for url ? | 00:27 |
| Mech422 | That doesn't seem too painful ? :-D | 00:28 |
| @preaction | no, you'll need to create an entire <input> field for it | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | <td>Steve's URL box: </td><td><input type="text" name="url"></input></td> | 00:28 |
| @preaction | <input name="url"> <- ez | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | or something like that | 00:28 |
| Mech422 | oh - thats easy enough :-) | 00:29 |
| Mech422 | brb - gonna go try it | 00:29 |
| @preaction | would it be confusing if I call an Asset a View? | 00:31 |
| @preaction | a View being a Model with a URL | 00:31 |
| @preaction | one other thing: Should we stop doing: return $self->www_view at the end of save-like operations? | 00:41 |
| @preaction | prevailing best practice is to do a Redirect now | 00:41 |
| @preaction | especially after a POST operation | 00:41 |
| @Haarg | i would definitely prefer to do a redirect | 00:42 |
| @preaction | and we could make it dead simple: return $self->redirect( self => "view" ); or parent => "view" or something | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | a redirect would guarantee that the URL is always right | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | which doesn't happen now | 00:51 |
| @preaction | okay, and these stupid WebGUI::Session::Icon things must go away. | 00:51 |
| elnino | preaction - did I understand WebGUI::Asset::File www_view correctly above? | 00:52 |
| @preaction | your bug is accurate, i know that | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | re: Arjan's trashed template bug. Any objections to a trashed template returning "This template is in the trash" when processed? | 00:53 |
| @preaction | good god... | 00:53 |
| @preaction | no | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | why not? | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | it shouldn't be able to be used at all | 00:53 |
| @preaction | no objections | 00:53 |
| @preaction | sorry | 00:54 |
| @preaction | i was remarking on how much protection from themselves we have to do | 00:54 |
| @preaction | perhaps a template can't be deleted if it's attached to an asset? | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | macro call | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | asset proxy macro returns "trashed asset" when proxying an asset in the trash | 00:55 |
| @preaction | yeah, we'd have to do both | 00:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's it. Me and tavisto are quitting and going to grow sunflowers and sell boulders | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | no more of this nutso web crap | 01:00 |
| @preaction | yay! | 01:00 |
| @preaction | can i join you? | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | you bet! | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | We need a good man in Wisconsin | 01:01 |
| @preaction | i know how to find boulders and roll sunflowers | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | it's going to be all organic | 01:03 |
| @preaction | i can handle that | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | none of this fake, manufactured boulder junk for us | 01:04 |
| @preaction | no computers anywhere? | 01:04 |
| @preaction | if there's a computer, i'll be tempted to do web stuff again | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | if you can find one growing in the yard, you can use it | 01:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r328f3df / (8 files in 6 dirs): test cleanups - http://bit.ly/19sizi | 01:11 |
| @Haarg | be sure to let me know if you run into any problems with the adjusted test code. | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I will | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | because I'm going to have to merge in like 12 files for this latest bug fix | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | it keeps creeping | 01:14 |
| @Haarg | which bug? | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Arjan's bdug about trash/clipboar | 01:14 |
| @Haarg | ah | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | that bug only existed because trash and cut don't use the API | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | but then there's making macros work | 01:15 |
| @Haarg | i guess i should backport that so we don't have problems with tests being mismatched. it should be completely backward compatible. | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | which lead to finding bugs in the i18n files | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | :) | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, git says it's only 8 files | 01:16 |
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| @Haarg | one advantage to eliminating that Test::Builder::failure_output thing is that now test failure diagnostics will show up when you aren't running in verbose mode. | 01:17 |
| @Haarg | instead of just showing that the test failed | 01:17 |
| @Haarg | one of these days i'll get around to redoing the export test to not use the home page content | 01:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm starting to think that we need a test to check for lastUpdated tags in the i18n files | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the 2nd batch I found without them | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, how close/far away are we from the new i18n technology? | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | hold on to your bits | 01:41 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r62afb73 / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Macro_AssetProxy.pm : Add missing datestamps to Macro_AssetProxy i18n. - http://bit.ly/zn2Mv | 01:41 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9a52044 / t/Macro.t : Add another edge case for nested macros. - http://bit.ly/14XG28 | 01:41 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re4b99f1 / (5 files in 3 dirs): Clear cache on assets in trash and clipboard limbo states. fixes bug #11027 - http://bit.ly/u07JG | 01:41 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8276336 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Templates in the trash or clipboard now log and return warnings. fixes bug #11031 - http://bit.ly/cBg8Z | 01:41 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * reea45df / t/Macro.t : Add another edge case for nested macros. - http://bit.ly/2S75F | 01:41 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rdfde5a0 / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Remove debug code from Asset.pm - http://bit.ly/2lorMj | 01:41 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r6c57f21 / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Macro_AssetProxy.pm : Add missing datestamps to Macro_AssetProxy i18n. - http://bit.ly/EzrLI | 01:41 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r92024bd / (4 files in 4 dirs): Templates in the trash or clipboard now log and return warnings. fixes bug #11031 - http://bit.ly/CmIjz | 01:41 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rfc827d7 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Add a method to unmock the logger. - http://bit.ly/Rw1tZ | 01:58 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1ccb468 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Add a method to unmock the logger. - http://bit.ly/hMA8D | 01:58 |
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| Mech422 | Hmm - I seem to have the url thing working... but now the article doesn't appear in the latest 10 entries list (web log view) | 02:12 |
| Mech422 | Is that based on url, or does the CS actually 'know about' all its children ? | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | step 1, check logs | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | step 2, check asset manager | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | step 3, ask more questions | 02:18 |
| Mech422 | dunno what exactly I'm lookin for in the logs - yes, it shows properlly in the asset manager, | 02:20 |
| * perlDreamer would look for any errors | 02:20 | |
| Mech422 | it appears it _is_ url based as whenever I set the url to anything other then the parent CS url, it doesn't show | 02:20 |
| Mech422 | so /cs/article works | 02:20 |
| +perlDreamer | wait a sec, article, or post? | 02:21 |
| Mech422 | post sorry | 02:21 |
| Mech422 | we always call the articles as its a news site | 02:21 |
| * perlDreamer sniffs. You're not using the Story Manager? | 02:21 | |
| Mech422 | anyway /cs/2009/09/09/23/01 doesn't work - nor does /2009/09/23/01 | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | what does work? | 02:22 |
| Mech422 | this works : /cs/2009092301 | 02:22 |
| Mech422 | (cs = collab system url) | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | how about using dots, or underscores? | 02:22 |
| Mech422 | we were gonna seperate stuff into 'folders' based on date to make it easy for humans to figure out the url when looking for stuff.. | 02:23 |
| Mech422 | Hmm - underscores might work | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | slashes are a no-no when entering URLs by hand | 02:24 |
| Mech422 | Oh ? it took them - and re-displayed them on edit ? Do they get munged internally ? | 02:25 |
| * perlDreamer thought they were | 02:25 | |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: when running t/Asset/Wobject/InOutBoard I now see this: http://gist.github.com/192379 | 02:31 |
| xdanger | I have a Thingy desing question? It a field is "otherThingy", it lists all records, not just the ones you have permission to see in editThingyData. Is this correct? Or should it follow the same privileges as the listing in search? | 02:33 |
| xdanger | I'm doing way too complicated stuff with Thingy =) Should have writen a custon Asset for that functionality ;) | 02:35 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rd0e4472 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Do not log empty statuses in the InOutBoard. - http://bit.ly/1Q0Udy | 02:35 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r564378b / (3 files in 3 dirs): Do not log empty statuses in the InOutBoard. - http://bit.ly/15t4ZJ | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I suspect that's a bug, xdanger | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | just fix it and submit it with a patch :) | 02:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | mid-morning, patspam | 02:40 |
| +patspam | howdy perlDreamer | 02:41 |
| xdanger | perlDreamer: I'm trying to read the source of Thingy but it's quite complex =) | 02:41 |
| xdanger | And have slept only 4h in last 40h =) | 02:42 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino: how do you know that the streaming files aren't working? | 03:03 |
| xdanger | perlDreamer: haha, I fixed it ;) | 03:04 |
| +perlDreamer | really?! cool | 03:04 |
| xdanger | I'll create a bug and attach the patch | 03:04 |
| xdanger | What's the easyest way to get a patch out of git ?-) | 03:05 |
| xdanger | I know its kinda build for that, but I'm a beginner on it | 03:05 |
| +perlDreamer | git diff | 03:05 |
| +perlDreamer | git diff > patch.diff | 03:06 |
| +perlDreamer | to capture that | 03:06 |
| xdanger | of course =) Feeling a bit stupid at the moment =) | 03:08 |
| +perlDreamer | it happens to all of us | 03:09 |
| +perlDreamer | btw, thanks again for logging the IRC channel | 03:09 |
| +perlDreamer | those logs have helped me tons of times | 03:09 |
| xdanger | no problem | 03:10 |
| xdanger | Thanks for coding a cms that I'm willing to use ;) | 03:10 |
| xdanger | ...and from time to time even like. | 03:10 |
| +perlDreamer | yw :) | 03:10 |
| xdanger | that should be, "coding on a cms" | 03:11 |
| xdanger | I said no to client then they wanted to build their e-commerce site on Joomla. They looked for another developer =) | 03:12 |
| xdanger | webgui.org very slow, or is it my connection? | 03:12 |
| +perlDreamer | at 5:00pm PDT it is always slow | 03:12 |
| +perlDreamer | goes through backups | 03:12 |
| xdanger | oh | 03:12 |
| xdanger | just trying to login to file the bug + patch ;) | 03:13 |
| +perlDreamer | we're about to have 3 translations of WebGUI at 100% | 03:13 |
| +perlDreamer | Spanish, Dutch and German | 03:13 |
| +perlDreamer | It would be cool to add another language to that mix | 03:13 |
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| xdanger | perlDreamer: I'm working on Finnish ;) | 03:16 |
| xdanger | I just forked the translation server today to include automatic google translations =) | 03:17 |
| +perlDreamer | does it translate them to Finnish well? | 03:17 |
| +perlDreamer | From what I've seen in the Spanish, it's a poor job. | 03:17 |
| xdanger | I thought that would speed up the prosess. Then about 4-7 translations and I was stuck for 5minutes trying to figure out how to say the stuff in Finnish | 03:18 |
| xdanger | it's quite poor job also | 03:18 |
| xdanger | I'll need to consult a friend of mine first. I think in english about computer related stuff. So I'm not always sure what the correct translation is. | 03:20 |
| xdanger | perlDreamer: I'm just wondering that I've changed company and that should I change that in credits.txt & elsewhere? | 03:22 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, go ahead and do that, too | 03:22 |
| +perlDreamer | it can all be the same patch | 03:22 |
| * perlDreamer heads off to get some dinner | 03:22 | |
| xdanger | How about changelogs? | 03:22 |
| xdanger | since I was working in the old companyt at the moment ;) | 03:23 |
| xdanger | Yeah, it's 3am here and I have to give webgui related training tomorrow. So I should head to bed... | 03:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, having problems with t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm | 04:01 |
| +perlDreamer | seems like it's trying to use WebGUI::Session before the paths are set? | 04:02 |
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| Mech422 | perlDreamer: ahh - its not a url problme, I think - I think stuff is just getting delayed in workflow... | 05:13 |
| Mech422 | The 'publish without approval' workflow has a 'wait' action - but I can't figure out where you set what its waiting for or how long it wait | 05:14 |
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| CIA-53 | config-json: Graham Knop master * re8e008c / (Changes lib/Config/JSON.pm): note changes for new version - http://bit.ly/1aqlum | 06:11 |
| CIA-53 | config-json: Graham Knop master * r58cad41 / .gitignore : add ignore file - http://bit.ly/TfWGE | 06:11 |
| elnino | perlDreamer... The file is being redirected to the /uploads directory and opening the file in the browser (and displaying the url of the file) as opposed to prompting the user to download a file. I did this sort of thing in a different language and it was called streaming, I'm assuming it's the same term in perl. | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, elnino, it's doing both. the file is streaming, but the redirect is also sent so it comes down twice | 06:49 |
| elnino | right. | 06:50 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech422: the approval delay is really just spectre waiting for an hour to look at that workflow again | 06:50 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, bad test breakage :( | 06:50 |
| elnino | I saw that in the code preaction pointed that out. | 06:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I have a fix for it, but it's waiting on tests to be written | 06:50 |
| elnino | talkn to me? | 06:51 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 06:51 |
| +perlDreamer | it's about 22 characters long (the fix) | 06:51 |
| elnino | oh. ok. | 06:51 |
| elnino | I figued it was probably adding the if statement? | 06:52 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, don't set the redirect if the config file option is set | 06:52 |
| elnino | right. | 06:52 |
| elnino | I'll do that on my side and see if this option is even something that will work for what I think I need. | 06:53 |
| +perlDreamer | $session->http->setRedirect($self->getFileUrl) unless $session->config->get('enableStreamingUploads'); | 06:53 |
| elnino | thanks for the code =) you make things too easy for me. =) | 06:53 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, are there any problems aside from it not being able to find WebGUI::Session | 07:12 |
| +perlDreamer | well, it stops pretty early, so it's hard to tell | 07:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I hacked it quickly to allow the paths to be set, and everything else seems fine | 07:13 |
| +perlDreamer | but I haven't run any regressions yet to double check leaks and all | 07:13 |
| +perlDreamer | do you want to see what I did? | 07:13 |
| @Haarg | i have a fix i'll be committing soon | 07:14 |
| +perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/192512 | 07:14 |
| +perlDreamer | it's ugly, but it works | 07:14 |
| @Haarg | do you see any reason to set the root based on the config file instead of the path of the WebGUI::Test module | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | no practical one | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | what's the equivalent of svn merge -c -revNum in git? | 07:16 |
| @Haarg | cherry-pick? | 07:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I want to undo the commit of my hack in my tree | 07:18 |
| @Haarg | git reset --hard HEAD^ will back you up one commit | 07:19 |
| @Haarg | if you haven't pushed yet | 07:19 |
| +perlDreamer | no it's not pushed up yet. And the commit is HEAD^^ | 07:19 |
| +perlDreamer | ah! git-revert | 07:20 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 07:20 |
| @Haarg | the other option is git rebase -i HEAD^^^ | 07:20 |
| @Haarg | and remove that one commit | 07:20 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r6f370d6 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Do not set a redirect when streaming downloads. fixes file #11029 - http://bit.ly/2nGaZR | 07:29 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r77fc01a / (3 files in 3 dirs): Do not set a redirect when streaming downloads. fixes file #11029 - http://bit.ly/13qWPq | 07:29 |
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| @preaction | oh crap, i think i added a feature to webgui without asking JT first | 09:21 |
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| Terminus- | hello again. install.txt has DocumentRoot /data/domains/example.com/www/public. is this an empty random directory? or should this be /data/WebGUI/www/public? | 14:08 |
| Terminus- | i only see WebGUI/www/extras and uploads nothing about WebGUI/www/public | 14:12 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12354 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (8 files): Update from translation server | 15:09 |
| +BartJol | oh Terminus- I'll hjave a look | 15:16 |
| +BartJol | ah | 15:17 |
| +BartJol | the WebGUI/www is default, but WebGUi is often used for shared use, configuring it with the /data/domains dir is a better option | 15:17 |
| +BartJol | but you have to add it yourself | 15:18 |
| Terminus- | BartJol: i see... i was just wondering what the contents of www/public are. is it empty? | 15:34 |
| Terminus- | sorry about the late reply. | 15:34 |
| +BartJol | well, I'm not fast either | 15:35 |
| Terminus- | =) | 15:36 |
| +BartJol | mm, I don't even have the public dir there | 15:36 |
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| Terminus- | yeah... i didn't really expect the document root to contain anything since the requests are handled by webgui anyway. | 15:37 |
| +BartJol | you'll need fils though | 15:39 |
| +BartJol | collateral files | 15:39 |
| Terminus- | but aren't the files stored in www/uploads and www/extras? | 15:39 |
| Terminus- | like what? | 15:40 |
| +BartJol | well, the default files used by WebGUI templates are in the extras dir | 15:40 |
| +BartJol | yui | 15:40 |
| +BartJol | some WebGUI images and icons | 15:40 |
| Terminus- | i see... yeah, i'm just trying to get the defaults up for now. | 15:41 |
| +BartJol | for more sites another location for your uploaded file might be better, I'm also lookig what is in my WebGUI/www/uploads folder is | 15:42 |
| Terminus- | BartJol: i expect it's just whatever is uploaded through webgui with metadata in the db. | 15:43 |
| +BartJol | ah, and the uploads dir gets some files during install that are used, but can be replaced via the web interface | 15:44 |
| +BartJol | yes, but you get some to start with | 15:44 |
| Terminus- | BartJol: i'm just building a test site before i consider deployment so location doesn't really matter to me now. | 15:44 |
| Terminus- | i see... | 15:44 |
| +BartJol | ah, then it is not that important indeed | 15:46 |
| Terminus- | =) | 15:47 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r532f8ec / (t/Cache/FileCache.t t/Config.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): set library path before loading WebGUI modules in WebGUI::Test - http://bit.ly/bygdO | 16:10 |
| Terminus- | BartJol: sheesh... i was looking at the wrong problem. i couldn't access the site because i forgot to make the stuff under www/ available. XD | 16:21 |
| +BartJol | doh! | 16:22 |
| Terminus- | i'm running it under public_html and forgot the symlink. crap. | 16:22 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12355 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (7 files): Update from translation server | 16:24 |
| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12356 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (AssetAspect_Subscribable.pm Form_Date.pm): Update from translation server | 16:24 |
| +BartJol | forgetfullness | 16:24 |
| +BartJol | haha, take that germans! | 16:25 |
| Terminus- | bwahahaha! i have succeeded at installing webgui with a minimum of root! | 16:33 |
| * Terminus- goes down to smoke. =) | 16:33 | |
| +BartJol | aaah, more smokers in the community | 16:34 |
| Terminus- | hmmm... not bad on a VM with 128mb of ram. | 16:36 |
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| Terminus- | preaction: when you get to your PC, would like to tell you that i've succeeded at making webgui run with a minimum use of root. =) | 16:39 |
| Terminus- | urgh... maybe not. my load avg is hitting 5.0. >.< | 16:46 |
| +BartJol | you kow preaction? | 16:47 |
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| Terminus- | BartJol: we talked for a bit last night. thought he'd like to know because i'm running things without root and he said it would be interesting. | 16:53 |
| Terminus- | BartJol: oh wait. wrong person. XD | 16:56 |
| Terminus- | preaction: sorry, thought i was talking to you last night. i must have been really sleepy. hehe | 16:56 |
| +BartJol | you weren't talking to me, I was retrieving moving boxes | 16:58 |
| Terminus- | oh... | 16:58 |
| +BartJol | and installing stuff without root might indeed get interesting | 16:58 |
| Terminus- | BartJol: i only needed root for mod_perl. i also install a bunch of dev packages as root but only because i didn't want to muck around with installing them from source. | 16:59 |
| Terminus- | BartJol: i have it running in a public_html right now. which is overkill actually since when i deploy it, root will be / anyway. | 17:00 |
| +BartJol | you don't need it that much, that's right | 17:00 |
| Terminus- | even mod_perl is completely configured with .htaccess. hehe | 17:02 |
| Terminus- | and spectre is running as a regular user. | 17:02 |
| +BartJol | yeah only the masters are run by root | 17:08 |
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| +BartJol | the translation spirit is having high-tide days, Spanish at 95.6 %!! | 18:03 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 18:46 |
| MrHairgrease1 | Greasings! | 18:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | good morning | 19:23 |
| Terminus- | heya perlDreamer =) | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | how goes the quest, Terminus-? | 19:24 |
| Terminus- | perlDreamer: i got webgui running with minimal root. | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | nice! | 19:24 |
| Terminus- | now i have another question, does WebGUI have the capability to use UNIX sockets instead of IP sockets? | 19:24 |
| Terminus- | i'm going through the code right now, but if there's an easier way to do this, i'm all ears. =) | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | for doing what, Terminus-? | 19:25 |
| @tavisto | Anyone want to come to my windows 7 house party? hahahaha (worst marketing ever from Microsoft) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cX4t5-YpHQ&feature=player_embedded | 19:25 |
| Terminus- | perlDreamer: in case webhost does not allow you to use an IP address for the daemon. | 19:26 |
| @Haarg | morning perlDreamer | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | morning, Haarg. | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | This is the time of the morning when I ask preaction about the EMS with the bad templates. | 19:26 |
| Terminus- | perlDreamer: only thing i really needed root for was to install mod_perl and a bunch of dev libs, and i could have avoided the dev libs if i was a bit more industrious. =) | 19:27 |
| @Haarg | i fixed most of the test problems i created. working on fixing the export test (since it is broken) and finally getting it to create its own assets. | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, how 'bout backporting? | 19:27 |
| @Haarg | anything specific? the test stuff i'd like to backport, but it can't be done until i actually fix all of it. | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I was thinking about the test stuff. | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | when I backport the tests that use the new testing code, they don't work in 7.7 | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | which means I'd have to rework them | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | and then re-rework them when the tests are backported | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I jumped on the bandwagon too early | 19:29 |
| @Haarg | if i can get the export test fixed we can backport it | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't understand why the export test gates the test clean-up stuff | 19:31 |
| @Haarg | well, the test stuff broke the export test | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a good reason | 19:39 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6a3d158 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Uppercase any lowercase zipcode letters entered. Fixes 11018. - http://bit.ly/1eC1CA | 19:42 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8374a88 / t/Form/Zipcode.t : More test tweaks for zipcode. - http://bit.ly/Km58P | 19:42 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r7cef98c / (3 files in 3 dirs): Uppercase any lowercase zipcode letters entered. Fixes 11018. - http://bit.ly/3bvnn | 19:42 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r22ea3aa / t/Form/Zipcode.t : More test tweaks for zipcode. - http://bit.ly/R7NbQ | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, now that there's a wg8 branch, should we be cross-porting to it as well? | 19:42 |
| @Haarg | probably not needed | 19:42 |
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| wgGuest22 | i have install webgui, how do i access it? | 19:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | hey, knowmad! | 19:55 |
| knowmad | hey pd et al. | 19:56 |
| knowmad | i'm baaack! | 19:56 |
| knowmad | with a bug | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I saw. | 19:56 |
| knowmad | i'm trying to debug it by re-running the upgrade.pl script | 19:56 |
| knowmad | however, wG thinks the db is already updated even though I've re-imported the old copy | 19:57 |
| knowmad | the webguiVersion table shows it's only up to v7.6.25; where is the update.pl script looking for version info? | 19:57 |
| knowmad | is it in the conf file also? | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | and you overlayed back the original codebase? | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | hm, that shouldn't be needed | 19:58 |
| knowmad | no, i want the new codebase | 19:58 |
| knowmad | i'm trying to re-run the upgrade from 7.6.25... (there's the problem!) | 19:58 |
| knowmad | don't i need to go to .35 before jumping to 7.7? | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, you do | 19:59 |
| knowmad | i knew i'd find the answer here! thanks | 19:59 |
| knowmad | i'll post back to my bug report on findings; do you have any thoughts about the error I'm getting? | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd like to know the versions of perl and the compacting modules that you have installed. | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | and it would be nice to have that snippet for testing purposes, if possible | 20:00 |
| knowmad | i'll post that to the ticket | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | awesome | 20:00 |
| knowmad | yeah, i'm trying to track that down for you | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I had this funny idea this morning. | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | with patspam's improvements to the survey, with branching | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | we could build an interactive knowledge base | 20:01 |
| knowmad | (much appreciated!) | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | that would walk a user through debugging their own site | 20:01 |
| knowmad | ohhh, i've already been thinking along these lines | 20:01 |
| knowmad | yes, the branching opens up many possibilities! | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be a nice addition to the stuff that Arjan is doing | 20:01 |
| knowmad | not sure i know about that... | 20:02 |
| knowmad | what's the project? | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, the stuff about flash tutorials for beginners, in Dutch? | 20:02 |
| knowmad | ahh | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe it was carousel based... | 20:03 |
| knowmad | yes, that is nice for his users | 20:03 |
| knowmad | he said at the WUC that he's playing with the idea of translating to english | 20:03 |
| knowmad | off to debug... | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | if we could get millisecond level timing into the database, we could shave about 30 seconds off the test time since we wouldn't need to use sleep to get into the next second for revisionDates. | 20:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | over the course of the tests, we leak about 7 sessions | 20:10 |
| +perlDreamer | the delta code is nice, Haarg | 20:11 |
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| @Haarg | you might note that now, if you wanted, you can manually clean up and re-initialize the testing stuff | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I didn't note, will look more closely after my pieces come back from the gym. | 20:13 |
| knowmad | hey, here's an opportunity to learn wgd with both Haarg & pd!!! guys, I've got the asset id for the problematic snippet; how can i use wgd to dump it? | 20:15 |
| @Haarg | if you just want to output it to a file, wgd export <assetid> | 20:17 |
| knowmad | cool thanks | 20:17 |
| knowmad | thanks for adding the 'intro' command; however, i'm not clear if i need to add both "WEBGUI_CONFIG" and "WEBGUI_SITENAME" or just one | 20:19 |
| knowmad | and where can I set the command.* options? | 20:20 |
| ckotil_ | lmfao @ 'Stop dicking around!' in the wreconsole | 20:21 |
| knowmad | perlDreamer: you're going to love this snippet -- it's javascript! | 20:24 |
| knowmad | perlDreamer: what compacting modules are you using? | 20:26 |
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| knowmad | perlDreamer: nm, i found it -- JavaScript::Packer | 20:46 |
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| @Haarg | knowmad, you only need to set one of them | 20:57 |
| @Haarg | you can set those values with the config command | 20:57 |
| knowmad | thanks, what about the config file? i couldn't see that in wgdev | 20:57 |
| knowmad | oh, it's a command? does it get stored? | 20:58 |
| @Haarg | it stores it in a file in your home directory | 20:58 |
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| mdhoerr | Terminus: would like to get the info on getting WebGUI to run with minimum of root access. | 22:13 |
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| dionak | i thought there was a wiki entry on how to write a content handler but maybe that was an assumption.. | 22:44 |
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| knowmad | hey, can one of the webgui.org admins re-open a bug report for me -- http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/robots_txt-issues | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | knowmad, you should be able to reopen any bug by posting to it | 23:14 |
| knowmad | i can file another if you'd prefer but the existing report is valid but has not been addressed | 23:14 |
| knowmad | it's not working; i didn't post it originally if that matters | 23:14 |
| knowmad | maybe it's cached? i'm still seeing it as closed | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | well, either I don't understand the system, or that's another helpdesk bug | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe both :/ | 23:16 |
| knowmad | i'll file it | 23:16 |
| @Haarg | 'closed' bugs don't get re-opened | 23:17 |
| knowmad | so you'd rather me file a duplicate report? | 23:18 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like it | 23:18 |
| @Haarg | i reopened it | 23:18 |
| knowmad | thanks haarg; i still think it's a bug that posting back to a bug report doesn't re-open it; guess i'm used to that behavior from RT | 23:19 |
| @Haarg | what i meant was, closed bugs don't get automatically re-opened by posing on them | 23:19 |
| @Haarg | that's the difference between resolved and closed | 23:19 |
| knowmad | that's not a very obvious difference for an end-user | 23:20 |
| @Haarg | normally bugs just stay as resolved. that one is rather old though so when it was converted it ended up as closed | 23:20 |
| knowmad | oh | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Hi, my name is perlDreamer, and I am a programmer who has done bad interface design: http://www2.voyce.com/index.php/2009/09/14/the-7-signs-your-ui-was-created-by-a-programmer/ | 23:21 |
| knowmad | so this is more of an issue with use than implementation | 23:21 |
| knowmad | thanks for the explanation | 23:21 |
| @tavisto | well that can't be worse than that microsoft windows 7 launch video | 23:21 |
| @tavisto | JT said he hurt all over after watching it | 23:21 |
| @Haarg | the first one amuses me because the first thing i do when making an upgrade function is change DONE! to Done. | 23:23 |
| knowmad | that sounds so bad i want to see it | 23:23 |
| knowmad | dang it, while testing my upgrade process, i've got one of my sites stuck in maintenance mode | 23:26 |
| knowmad | i had an SQL hack that used to work to get out of this (DELETE FROM settings WHERE name="specialState"; ) | 23:26 |
| knowmad | that voodoo is not working for me now; ideas? | 23:26 |
| knowmad | wg7.7.20 | 23:26 |
| @Haarg | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cX4t5-YpHQ&feature=player_embedded | 23:26 |
| @Haarg | that delete should be all you need to do | 23:27 |
| knowmad | k, i must be doing something wrong... | 23:29 |
| +perlDreamer | session cleanup is not working any longer | 23:29 |
| @Haarg | in tests you mean? | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | I tried addToCleanup, and sessionsToDelete, and the session is not being cleaned up | 23:34 |
| @Haarg | ok, so extras sessions | 23:35 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, let me commit the test so you can see | 23:35 |
| +danny_mk | hello everyone | 23:35 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rcef20f0 / t/Session/ErrorHandler.t : Clean-up a session created for a test. - http://bit.ly/ESl0l | 23:36 |
| +perlDreamer | cef20f0 | 23:36 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, danny_mk | 23:36 |
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| knowmad | it was caching the maint page | 23:36 |
| knowmad | it = my browser | 23:37 |
| knowmad | seems like there should be a way to prevent that | 23:37 |
| @Haarg | probably | 23:37 |
| knowmad | that's a template isn't it? | 23:37 |
| +danny_mk | how would you display a splash page before displaying an intranet home page? Would it be something like: ^GroupText("Visitors",^AssetProxy(splash);,^AssetProxy(splash);); | 23:37 |
| knowmad | we can add some header tags | 23:37 |
| @Haarg | no, it's an html page | 23:37 |
| @Haarg | docs/maintenance.html | 23:37 |
| knowmad | cool, i'll submit a patch | 23:37 |
| +danny_mk | then put that in a intro page? | 23:37 |
| +danny_mk | hmmm... second asset should read home | 23:38 |
| @preaction | danny_mk: put two articles on the home page, one visible by the "Visitors" group and one by the "Registered Users" group | 23:40 |
| @preaction | they'll both show up to Admins, but the Visitors one won't show up to Registered Users | 23:41 |
| +danny_mk | That is similar to what I was thinking and I guess the best way | 23:41 |
| +danny_mk | preaction: thank you | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | knowmad: feel free to add more testing code to t/Asset/snippet.t for packing | 23:44 |
| knowmad | ok, but can i have you review it as i'm still a noob to testing wG objects | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I can do that :) | 23:47 |
| * perlDreamer wonders whether Javascript::Packer works at all... | 23:47 | |
| +perlDreamer | since it would use the same regex for packing any javascript | 23:47 |
| knowmad | omg! i just finished the youtube video. all through it, i kept thinking that they'd break the frame and make it a joke | 23:49 |
| knowmad | i want my money back! | 23:49 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, session cleanup works | 23:49 |
| @Haarg | ->fatal breaks the session though | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | so we can't cleanup a session that is fatal-ized? | 23:50 |
| @Haarg | you can re-initialize another session with the same id | 23:50 |
| @Haarg | or the test code could clone sessions before cleaning them ip | 23:50 |
| @Haarg | *up | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | that video has really bad camera work | 23:52 |
| knowmad | i just felt sorry for those poor actors having to do that script | 23:53 |
| @Haarg | adding 'WebGUI::Session' => 'duplicate', to the clone hash fixes the problem perlDreamer | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, I'll do that and commit it | 23:53 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re61140a / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Duplicate sessions before cleaning them up to handle fatal'ed sessions. - http://bit.ly/25Sluj | 23:57 |
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| @Haarg | you may have noticed that i really like Scope::Guard :B | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | aside from needing that guard variable hanging around it seems nice | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | with the benefit of immediate cleanup | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | you wrote a nice wrapper around it for us to use. | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I had to shave my goatee and mustache | 00:04 |
| @Haarg | now i just have to figure out how i screwed up the export test so badly | 00:04 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb083470 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm : Fix POD spelling error. - http://bit.ly/4uMo0J | 00:17 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r7390967 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm : Fix POD spelling error. - http://bit.ly/ptFjb | 00:17 |
| +danny_mk | Did you guys know there is a product out ther called visual webgui? | 00:17 |
| @Haarg | yes | 00:17 |
| +danny_mk | OK | 00:18 |
| carogray | After years of researching on and off I have just discovered an HTML tidy online program that does the best job of cleaning up Word code I have ever seen. I typically use Dreamweaver 8 - solely for editing Word and the tiny MCE is hopeless at reallycleaning it up | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | what's the URL? | 00:19 |
| carogray | this is huge for me and I imagine many other people who are trying to get non web using understanding, simple busy editors to post onto WebGUI | 00:19 |
| carogray | http://infohound.net/tidy | 00:19 |
| carogray | I was wondering if this is Wiki worthy or how I can share this with people who use WebGUI the way I do and the way I try to get my editors/contributors to use it | 00:20 |
| carogray | I put together a bunch of instructions on the settings also for one of our WebGUI editors so it would be really simple - which boxes to tick in the settings etc. | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | carogray, that uses the open source program HTML Tidy. | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | That could be directly integrated into WebGUI | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | at the very least, you should make a wiki entry for it | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, preaction: this _is_ a bug, right: The Thingy form field "otherThingy" not checking for privileges (#11032) | 00:24 |
| @preaction | dunno | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | reference URL: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11032 | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I'll build one, and play with it and see how it behaves with and without the patch | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | nice of xdanger to submit a patch, though | 00:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | BartJol, found some english labels today, so more i18n coming | 00:40 |
| +BartJol | well, 7.8.0 is finiched, so I can take it | 00:40 |
| +BartJol | have the status quo again | 00:40 |
| +BartJol | spanish is 1 percent up today already | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | excellent | 00:44 |
| +BartJol | acting smug about being the only one with 100% is starting to work :) | 00:44 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r768da4f / (2 files in 2 dirs): i18n the owner label in the Thing group properties. - http://bit.ly/uvU7K | 00:45 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r6a2f6f3 / (2 files in 2 dirs): i18n the owner label in the Thing group properties. - http://bit.ly/RMdtK | 00:45 |
| +BartJol | packing stuff is tiring | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | are you moving in? | 00:46 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: JT Smith WebGUI8 * r2865744 / (4 files in 3 dirs): a start on a new memcached based cache system - http://bit.ly/4sXABg | 00:52 |
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| BartJol1 | mmm | 00:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | BartJol1: are you moving in to the new house? | 00:57 |
| BartJol1 | yes, on sunday | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Viel gluck | 00:57 |
| BartJol1 | Vielen dank | 00:58 |
| BartJol1 | aber, warum sprechen Sie Deutsch? | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | por que yo no hablo Dutch | 01:00 |
| BartJol1 | ah, oui, tres bien mon ami | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm scared | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | and out of languages | 01:00 |
| BartJol1 | scared? | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, you speak english, Dutch, french and german | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | and you drink bier like a fish | 01:02 |
| BartJol1 | not that good | 01:03 |
| BartJol1 | exept the beer drinking | 01:03 |
| BartJol1 | you think I should run for president here? | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | in The Netherlands? sure | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | what will your platform be? | 01:04 |
| BartJol1 | probably I would get rid of christmas and call out a national beer drinking day | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, we like Christmas. Just add a new holiday. | 01:05 |
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| BartJol1 | ok | 01:05 |
| BartJol1 | since I see christmas more as a Christian holiday of passion and feeling for each other, I feel myself hypocritical when eating a lot, giving and getting presents | 01:07 |
| BartJol1 | but when you don't join, you make other people feel bad, so I will step beyond my feelings | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | that is very big of you | 01:12 |
| carogray | Ok at long last I have been able to give back to WebGUI community a teeny bit - posted a wiki about how to post Word content into WebGUI website. | 01:13 |
| BartJol1 | aah, very usefull! | 01:13 |
| BartJol1 | and the manual is: "don't"? Ah sorry, my late at night bad sense of humor kicks in again | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Friends don't let friends use Word. | 01:14 |
| carogray | BartJoloops | 01:14 |
| carogray | yeah if friends don't let friends use word, friends' websites quickly become v. empty | 01:15 |
| carogray | especially when friends' friends are lawyers who already hate being forced into Word from WordPerfect! | 01:16 |
| BartJol1 | openoffice word? | 01:16 |
| BartJol1 | vim? | 01:16 |
| carogray | I had very productive technology is great day today | 01:16 |
| carogray | Open Office just doesn't begin to offer the features that the hated Word does | 01:16 |
| carogray | and way too different obtuse and sans documentation for our crowd | 01:17 |
| BartJol1 | ah | 01:17 |
| carogray | Do you use Ubuntu or is that a stupid question | 01:17 |
| carogray | ? | 01:17 |
| BartJol1 | at the moment I do | 01:17 |
| carogray | I just discovered that Ubuntu can in seconds unlock a secure PDF document | 01:17 |
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| carogray | someone on an Ubuntu room just did this for me - tit's enough to make me want to install and run a dual boot whatchamacallit | 01:18 |
| BartJolIsOnUbunt | now it would be stupid to ask | 01:18 |
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| carogray | thing that was funny was he offered to install it for me at a clinic he runs, but he offered a DUEL boot - which of course is exactly what I was afraid of if I installed | 01:19 |
| BartJol1 | well, my laptop is duial boot | 01:20 |
| carogray | not to insult you BartJol, but you get the difference in meaning in the English spelling? | 01:20 |
| BartJol1 | ah | 01:20 |
| BartJol1 | well, I get some diffrence | 01:20 |
| carogray | duial - that's beyond my Dutch | 01:20 |
| BartJol1 | :P | 01:20 |
| BartJol1 | dual | 01:20 |
| BartJol1 | but dual-duel I get | 01:20 |
| carogray | ah right | 01:21 |
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| BartJol1 | he? | 01:21 |
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| carogray | ? | 01:21 |
| +BartJol | I left the room, but didn't | 01:22 |
| +BartJol | strange stuff this IRC | 01:22 |
| carogray | indeed | 01:22 |
| +BartJol | but my dual install works fine, only my resolution in ubuntu is screwed up after my presentation at the wuc | 01:22 |
| carogray | think they are related? | 01:23 |
| +BartJol | nope | 01:23 |
| carogray | how do you tell your computer which operating system to use? | 01:23 |
| carogray | or switch between them? | 01:23 |
| +BartJol | I think I should learn more ubuntu | 01:23 |
| +BartJol | well | 01:23 |
| +BartJol | I did the ubuntu install after xp | 01:24 |
| +BartJol | ubuntu makes a starup choice menu | 01:24 |
| +BartJol | which defaults to ubuntu (but you can set it to windows) | 01:24 |
| carogray | hmm doesn't sound too bad | 01:25 |
| +BartJol | I did it on another computer, there it was in the lilo.conf file | 01:25 |
| carogray | well these guys run clinic in a computer center in a really impoverished area of town and they have offered to install it for me and they have clincis everyTuesday | 01:25 |
| +BartJol | it isn't | 01:25 |
| +BartJol | and you can reach all windows files from ubuntu and use them | 01:26 |
| carogray | I can kill two birds with one stone - outreach to poor people who need legal information and can test my site, whilst learning how to make my computer more effective - cool, eh? | 01:26 |
| carogray | that sounds terrific | 01:26 |
| +BartJol | other way around is difficult | 01:26 |
| +BartJol | it is noticable on my laptop that ubuntu starts up much more quickly that windows | 01:27 |
| carogray | I am sold - just have to gear up to stay in Boston til 9 pm and get home v. late or spend the night with friends down there to in to work the next morning - think I can do it and you are strengthening the argument for doing it. | 01:27 |
| carogray | Quicker is almost always better:) | 01:28 |
| +BartJol | but 1 thing: do make a backup | 01:28 |
| carogray | absolutely . I am the most absent minded person in the world so I have back ups all over the place | 01:28 |
| +BartJol | at my first attempt I failed to correctly get it to dual boot, so I did a retry, then it worked perfevtly | 01:29 |
| +BartJol | avvept my unbuntu doen't type v's anymore | 01:29 |
| carogray | oh boy that would be a pain in the neck - do you switch to windows or do you use the character map? | 01:30 |
| carogray | I guess you are certain it's not your keyboard? | 01:30 |
| +BartJol | no, it wa a bad joke, because I typed perfectly wrong | 01:31 |
| carogray | oh sorry - duh. | 01:31 |
| +BartJol | in the same sentence: correctly | 01:31 |
| +BartJol | that has some c's | 01:31 |
| carogray | I looked and didn't see - v. tired.. | 01:31 |
| +BartJol | know the feeling | 01:31 |
| carogray | been up since 1am my time, and am just not seeing anything straight - think to go to bed soon and get ready for tomorrow and the weekend | 01:32 |
| +BartJol | that sounds like a perfectly sound plan | 01:32 |
| +BartJol | for me too, actually | 01:33 |
| carogray | get some sleep yourself it's pretty late over there | 01:33 |
| carogray | right g'night | 01:33 |
| +BartJol | goodnight | 01:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: do you still consider calendar your baby? | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | Don't worry, I'm not going to assign you a bug, just wishing a chat for historical purposes. | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | yargh! | 02:03 |
| +perlDreamer | github is down | 02:03 |
| +perlDreamer | woe and fear | 02:03 |
| * Haarg is waiting patiently for sunday night | 02:03 | |
| +perlDreamer | is that the big transition? | 02:04 |
| @Haarg | that's when they move to their new servers, yes | 02:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | hey, dionak | 02:14 |
| dionak | hey perlDreamer | 02:14 |
| dionak | busy day in WebGUI land. thanks for creating clarity for my story mgr rfe | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | you're welcome | 02:15 |
| dionak | i'm busy now hacking away at thingy trying to make it seo friendly via a content handler. | 02:16 |
| dionak | including a test | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | :) | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | what is the content handler supposed to do to help with SEO? | 02:16 |
| dionak | i'm working on an experiment to translate a url like /products/product-name to a thingy record for display | 02:18 |
| dionak | i'll let you know how it turns out | 02:19 |
| dionak | perlDreamer, would you be willing to do a code review once it's done? | 02:20 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 02:20 |
| dionak | great. thanks :) | 02:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm also on tap to do a test review for knowmad. | 02:20 |
| dionak | sweet | 02:21 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, i think i finally have a fix for the export test | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | awesome! Hopefully it didn't involve rewriting it from scratch | 02:30 |
| @Haarg | no, but i'm tempted to anyway | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | the nice thing about the default content is that it has a variety of assets | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | but after that... | 02:31 |
| @Haarg | well, it's not using the default content anymore | 02:31 |
| @Haarg | right now it just uses three assets it creates, but it would be simple enough to add more if we wanted | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | is it safe to fork inside a modperl process? | 02:33 |
| @Haarg | not really | 02:33 |
| @Haarg | not without doing extra work at least | 02:33 |
| @Haarg | what do you think about changing the WEBGUI_TEST_DEBUG option to only output items with $delta != 0 ? | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I like that. | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I also thought about just outputting a fail() when the delta != 0 | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | you couldn't plan for that, but at that point you don't really care | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | and it would highlight the leaky tests quickly, and only under DEBUG | 02:36 |
| @Haarg | well, diag shows up when you aren't running in verbose mode now | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, but at the end of the tests in prove it would show you the leaky ones | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | no need to search for them | 02:37 |
| @Haarg | it would make it more visible in -v | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | either of those would (diag or fail) | 02:39 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2f5621f / (3 files in 3 dirs): Events in the calendar, with and without starting times, behave similarly. Fixes bug #11033 - http://bit.ly/gkS5P | 02:39 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7d60f75 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Events in the calendar, with and without starting times, behave similarly. Fixes bug #11033 - http://bit.ly/15iHXQ | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | yay, push | 02:39 |
| @Haarg | for now i'm going to change it to only output where $delta!=0 | 02:40 |
| @Haarg | we can think about having it fail later | 02:41 |
| @Haarg | but you'll be able to run it non-verbose and it will be obvious which tests are leaky | 02:41 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK5CTd0OVLw | 02:43 |
| dionak | does anyone know where the Thingy roadmap is? Trying to find it on the site and email with no luck. | 02:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know that it has been released. | 02:50 |
| dionak | k, thanks | 02:50 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r3703fb8 / lib/WebGUI/Config.pm : address cached config objects by full file name - http://bit.ly/eVlRR | 02:55 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * rc7570ac / lib/WebGUI/AssetTrash.pm : fix invalid i18n label in AssetTrash - http://bit.ly/MVF9t | 02:55 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * rc5ea4d0 / lib/WebGUI/AssetExportHtml.pm : explicitly close filehandle used for exports - http://bit.ly/kxLUf | 02:55 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * rb6c1837 / (t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): fix and clean up export test - http://bit.ly/I4uza | 02:55 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r81336e3 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : only report test debug counts if there was a leak - http://bit.ly/HvGqH | 02:56 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, that should get all the test stuff working, and it can probably be backported once a few other people have tested it some. | 02:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll give it a shot, now. | 02:58 |
| +perlDreamer | uh, no I won't | 02:59 |
| +perlDreamer | i'll finish and commit this bug first, then I'll do it. | 02:59 |
| * perlDreamer takes a trackball break with Tim. | 03:02 | |
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| +perlDreamer | um | 03:38 |
| +perlDreamer | did someone update the Helpdesk code on webgui.org? | 03:38 |
| +perlDreamer | nm | 03:40 |
| +patspam | perlDreamer: hoy! | 03:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | howdy, patspam! | 04:29 |
| * perlDreamer has to go to the library to return some overdue books, I'll be back later. | 04:38 | |
| +perlDreamer | it's later | 05:31 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: JT Smith memcached * rc6d6882 / t/Cache.t : starting on a test kid for the new cache library - http://bit.ly/3OkzHa | 05:35 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6d33558 / (2 files in 2 dirs): | 05:39 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: YUI 2.8 hiccup in the default carousel template. Fixes bug #11038. | 05:39 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: The upgrade script ran, then a template without the fix was installed | 05:39 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: at the end of the upgrade. - http://bit.ly/C17EY | 05:39 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3e38ac5 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.20-7.8.0.pl : Move YUI filename fixes after the packages are installed. Part of bugfix #11038 - http://bit.ly/1UXyhm | 05:39 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie memcached * r4b974d6 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Restore original Darwin buffer hack. - http://bit.ly/uJ3KR | 05:50 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: ping | 05:52 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r79f84ae / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Restore original Darwin buffer hack. - http://bit.ly/WXLaL | 05:58 |
| +patspam | rizen: greets! | 06:10 |
| +patspam | nice to see you on irc in my tz | 06:10 |
| @rizen | this is the first time i've been on IRC at all in months | 06:11 |
| +patspam | well that explains why you're so productive | 06:12 |
| @rizen | first time i've had 2 spare seconds to rub together | 06:12 |
| +patspam | so.. webgui-7.7 is the current stable (for backporting bugfixes), master is the current 7.8 beta (no feature freeze atm) and WebGUI8 is the playpen for 8.x? | 06:13 |
| +patspam | I haven't committed to the plainblack git repo since wg officially switched | 06:14 |
| @rizen | "master" = 7.8 beta | 06:15 |
| @rizen | webgui-7.7 = the current stable for bug fixing | 06:15 |
| @rizen | and "WebGUI8" is where you should put stuff or webgui 8 once you know it's working | 06:15 |
| @rizen | otherwise you should branch off from WebGUI8 to your playpen like i did with the "memcached" branch | 06:15 |
| @rizen | does anybody know what you need to put in your .vimrc file so that it remembers the last position you were in a file when you last edited it | 06:16 |
| @rizen | my vim used to do it automatically, but i reinstalled and lost that feature | 06:17 |
| @rizen | i think it has something to do with .vim_history | 06:17 |
| @rizen | but i don't know how to get it to start doing it | 06:17 |
| +patspam | I'm only an occasional vim user | 06:18 |
| +patspam | any rule of thumb for when to create new branches in the pb repo as opposed to my own wg fork? | 06:18 |
| @rizen | i think i figured it out | 06:19 |
| @rizen | got it | 06:19 |
| @rizen | wahoo | 06:19 |
| @rizen | in case anybody else wants it: http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Restore_cursor_to_file_position_in_previous_editing_session | 06:19 |
| @rizen | it's really up to you i guess | 06:20 |
| @rizen | as far as branches vs forks | 06:20 |
| @rizen | seems like features that are officially sanctioned | 06:20 |
| @rizen | should probably be right in our repo | 06:20 |
| @rizen | so multiple people can work on them easily and whatnot | 06:21 |
| +patspam | yeah that makes sense | 06:21 |
| @rizen | but experimental stuff could be a fork | 06:21 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam, remind me to send you and Helen a bottle of wine | 06:21 |
| +patspam | well, if you insist! | 06:21 |
| +patspam | =D | 06:22 |
| +patspam | wait a couple of months until I'm in NY, the shipping will be cheaper :) | 06:22 |
| +perlDreamer | you got it :) | 06:22 |
| +perlDreamer | well, not only cheaper, but it would be hard to share before then! | 06:23 |
| @rizen | sending wine through the mail from state to state is actually illegal in some states | 06:24 |
| @rizen | better check that out first | 06:24 |
| @rizen | so pat, seriously no comments on the memcache design? | 06:26 |
| +perlDreamer | shipping from Oregon to New York is okay | 06:26 |
| @rizen | i figured if anyone would comment on it, it would be you | 06:26 |
| +patspam | rizen: I read through the whole module | 06:26 |
| +patspam | but to be honest I never really used the old caching system so I couldn't see if the API was good/bad | 06:27 |
| @rizen | you used it, you just didn't know it =) | 06:27 |
| +patspam | heh true, I mean just never in client code | 06:27 |
| +patspam | the benchmarks are stunning though | 06:27 |
| +patspam | how extensively will it be used? | 06:28 |
| @rizen | yeah, you can't really beat 4x faster =) | 06:28 |
| @rizen | i guess 5x faster | 06:28 |
| @rizen | =) | 06:28 |
| @rizen | it will be used in all the places current caching is used, just in new ways | 06:29 |
| @rizen | so assets, groups, etc | 06:29 |
| @rizen | the stuff that uses up lots of compute cycles | 06:29 |
| @rizen | in addition, it should be used for sessions | 06:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I think you can make mget faster, by not iterating over the names twice | 06:29 |
| @rizen | and hopefully to store config files | 06:29 |
| @rizen | i've already tweaked mget, cuz it's broken right now | 06:29 |
| @rizen | but how can i not iterate over it twice? | 06:30 |
| +perlDreamer | just use 1 loop | 06:30 |
| @rizen | should i check in what i've got so you can see it? | 06:30 |
| @rizen | how can i use one loop? | 06:30 |
| +perlDreamer | brb | 06:30 |
| @rizen | i need to loop in order to create they keys | 06:30 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: JT Smith memcached * r180c207 / lib/WebGUI/Cache.pm : fixed a bug in parseKey - http://bit.ly/5PQ6b | 06:32 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: JT Smith memcached * r65239ee / (lib/WebGUI/Cache.pm t/Cache.t): mget not working, but it's better than it was - http://bit.ly/Sjra3 | 06:32 |
| +perlDreamer | in loop 1, you build the parsekeys | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | by iterating over the names | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | in loop2, you iterate over the names again, but use the parsedNames instead | 06:34 |
| +perlDreamer | so you should be able to merge the two together | 06:34 |
| +perlDreamer | and just have 1 loop | 06:34 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe not | 06:35 |
| @rizen | if you can make that one loop you're smarter than me | 06:38 |
| @rizen | cuz i don't see it | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | no, i was wrong | 06:38 |
| @rizen | though you know you are smarter than me even if you can't do it =) | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | could you benchmark something for me? | 06:39 |
| @rizen | sure | 06:40 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie memcached * r3c36b40 / lib/WebGUI/Cache.pm : Try to optimize mget in Cache.pm - http://bit.ly/bqdzc | 06:42 |
| +perlDreamer | Please do a pull, then run the benchmarks again | 06:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm wondering if the map is faster than foreach | 06:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd boiled both loops down to using map, but the key check in the 2nd loop doesn't make that practical. | 06:44 |
| @rizen | is this for mget? | 06:44 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 06:44 |
| @rizen | mget doesn't work right now | 06:44 |
| @rizen | still trying to fix it | 06:44 |
| @rizen | i was forgetting to thaw the results | 06:44 |
| @rizen | but there's also something else missing | 06:44 |
| @rizen | found it | 06:44 |
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| @rizen | crap | 06:47 |
| @rizen | i didn't think about this but my benchmarking system isn't based on mget | 06:48 |
| @rizen | because the old system doesn't do mget | 06:48 |
| @rizen | so i'm going to need to write a new benchmark | 06:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | git-stash FTW! | 06:58 |
| +patspam | Yo dudely in Wiki Keyword Search Template? | 06:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I know | 07:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I know | 07:02 |
| +perlDreamer | it's fixed | 07:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't even remember why I did that | 07:03 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Patrick Donelan webgui-7.7 * rbae537a / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 07:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Fix bugs in ExpireIncompleteSurveyResponses Workflow | 07:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Need to join on revisionDate otherwise one email per Survey revision | 07:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: will be sent. (Added explicit test for this) | 07:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Some standard template vars were also missing - username and userId. | 07:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Conflicts: | 07:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: t/Workflow/Activity/ExpireIncompleteSurveyResponses.t - http://bit.ly/4bxzga | 07:04 |
| +patspam | woot I can commit to plainblack's git repo | 07:06 |
| +patspam | and just you try to reject that commit preaction, it has tests! =p | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | don't forget to forward port to master ;) | 07:07 |
| +patspam | heh yep, I'm onto it | 07:07 |
| +patspam | merging changelog entries is so annoying | 07:08 |
| +perlDreamer | totally | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I've found that "bottom" post tends to work well | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | rather than "top" posting | 07:10 |
| +patspam | yeah good idea | 07:12 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Patrick Donelan master * r549f9ce / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 07:14 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Fix bugs in ExpireIncompleteSurveyResponses Workflow | 07:14 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Need to join on revisionDate otherwise one email per Survey revision | 07:14 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: will be sent. (Added explicit test for this) | 07:14 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Some standard template vars were also missing - username and userId. | 07:14 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: (forward-port from webgui-7.7) - http://bit.ly/rqsnt | 07:14 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam, have you considered using Survey 2.0 as an interactive knowledge base? | 07:14 |
| +patspam | I remember discussing it briefly with someone at the hackathon.. maybe you? | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | no, I only thought of it earlier today | 07:15 |
| +patspam | ah, I think it might have been william | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | but a community maintained, interactive knowledge base designed to help people debug and use WebGUI could be interesting. | 07:16 |
| +patspam | it can do the drill-down part.. but you probably want the end-point to be linkable | 07:17 |
| +patspam | so maybe it uses terminal urls to redirect you to wiki articles | 07:17 |
| +perlDreamer | or forum pages | 07:17 |
| +perlDreamer | or both? | 07:17 |
| +patspam | heh or google search results =p | 07:18 |
| +patspam | q - what are you looking for? | 07:19 |
| +patspam | a: stuff | 07:19 |
| +patspam | result: Here you go! http://www.google.com/search?q=stuff | 07:19 |
| +perlDreamer | we need a "b", answer, too. | 07:22 |
| +perlDreamer | b: webgui stuff | 07:22 |
| +perlDreamer | just to help narrow it down a little | 07:22 |
| +perlDreamer | on that note, I'm going to crash out. | 07:23 |
| +perlDreamer | g'night, all | 07:23 |
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| +patspam | night perlDreamer! | 07:23 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: JT Smith WebGUI8 * ref438bf / (docs/changelog/8.x.x.txt docs/migration.txt): preparing webgui 8 migration stuff - http://bit.ly/RrswB | 07:37 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: JT Smith memcached * r880ee82 / (4 files in 3 dirs): continuing new cache integration - http://bit.ly/4Dzstu | 07:52 |
| +patspam | anyone want to do my $work for me? I'd rather just play with Padre::Plugin::WebGUI | 08:14 |
| +patspam | last night I figured out how to pair up Padre document types with WebGUI asset types, which means you can get the editor to do asset-specific stuff | 08:17 |
| +patspam | whether that be more relevant code highlighting, or whatever crazy wxwidget interface you want to layer in | 08:17 |
| @preaction | are they ever going to make Padre run under POE instead of threaded perl? | 08:17 |
| +patspam | haven't heard anyone ask for it.. would that be better? | 08:18 |
| +patspam | apart from making it possible to run Padre on the wre's non-threaded perl | 08:19 |
| @preaction | threaded perl has problems, enough so that we don't want it to be the default perl in the WRE. if it ran under POE... yeah | 08:19 |
| @preaction | problems being performance-wise slower (so i hear) | 08:19 |
| +patspam | yeah I've heard that too.. I just run Padre (and wgd) in my system perl instead | 08:20 |
| +patspam | my housemate installed webgui last night | 08:24 |
| +patspam | next step is to get him to start hanging out in here | 08:24 |
| * patspam heads down the street to get more caffeine | 08:26 | |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12357 /translations/German/German/ (AssetAspect_Subscribable.pm AdSpace.pm Form_Date.pm): Update from translation server | 10:45 |
| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12358 /translations/German/German/Asset_DataForm.pm: Update from translation server | 10:45 |
| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12359 /translations/German/German/WebGUI.pm: Update from translation server | 10:45 |
| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12360 /translations/German/German/ShipDriver_USPS.pm: Update from translation server | 10:45 |
| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12361 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_WikiMaster.pm Asset_WikiPage.pm): Update from translation server | 10:45 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12363 /translations/German/German/Asset_Navigation.pm: Update from translation server | 11:01 |
| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12364 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_StoryTopic.pm Asset_Story.pm): Update from translation server | 11:01 |
| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12365 /translations/German/German/Asset_ProjectManager.pm: Update from translation server | 11:01 |
| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12366 /translations/German/German/Form_Date.pm: Update from translation server | 11:01 |
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| +MrHairgrease | patspam: how do you spell the kind of car sparkies and tradies drive? | 11:04 |
| +patspam | ute | 11:04 |
| +patspam | a you beaut ute | 11:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | oki | 11:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | great | 11:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | I would've never guessed that | 11:04 |
| +patspam | a car that can carry 'your wife to church on Sundays and pigs to market on Mondays' | 11:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | I thought more along the lines of jute joot or whatever | 11:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | hehe | 11:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | awesome | 11:06 |
| +patspam | as you can probably tell its an intrinsic part of the celebrated chauvinistic "aussie bloke" culture | 11:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | i figured so much | 11:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | and put a roo on the barbie! | 11:07 |
| +Radix_ | usually they have big B&S ball stickers all over them | 11:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | Ute is also a german women's name afaik | 11:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | hey Jesse | 11:09 |
| +Radix_ | Hey Martin - how's life treating you? | 11:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | bad... | 11:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | I have to work for my money these days... | 11:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I'm coping | 11:10 |
| +Radix_ | ;( | 11:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | yup | 11:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's too bad | 11:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | luckily my gf has graduated | 11:11 |
| +Radix_ | Working as? | 11:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | so I'm waiting till she has a job that ears her enough money so that I can stop | 11:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh two days a week as a cleanroom dude at Mapper Lithography | 11:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | and three days for Oqapi | 11:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | doing what you'd expect me to do there | 11:12 |
| +Radix_ | cool :) | 11:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | indeed | 11:13 |
| +Radix_ | Well I'm going down the aisle soon.. 42 days left of being a single man left. | 11:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | Ai | 11:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | well good luck =) | 11:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | same girl as you took to europe last time you were here ? | 11:14 |
| +Radix_ | heh - yeah.. Yumi :) | 11:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh yeah | 11:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | Yumi | 11:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | So you're going to the Netherlands on honeymoon? | 11:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 11:15 |
| +Radix_ | hehe.. I wish.. but Euro sucks for me right now :( | 11:15 |
| +Radix_ | So we're going to Thailand instead | 11:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | They have Bahts there | 11:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | they look very similar to 2 euro coins | 11:15 |
| +Radix_ | got a huge multi-country wedding to go through first tho.. big wedding in Perth for about 100 ppl, then another reception in Penang, Malaysia for Yumi's family with about 350 ppl.. | 11:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | wow | 11:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | Whenever I go to weddings I never seem to have any recollection of the party. Let alone the number of attendees =) | 11:17 |
| +Radix_ | heh ;) | 11:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | anyway | 11:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | My mailbox has been processed | 11:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | time to do some real work | 11:18 |
| +Radix_ | enjoy! | 11:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | I will | 11:18 |
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| @rizen | i need a git expert | 17:17 |
| @rizen | i somehow accidentally committed part of my memcached stuff to the WebGUI8 branch | 17:17 |
| @rizen | and I need to know how to fix that | 17:17 |
| @rizen | can anybody here help with that? | 17:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | whoa, rizen is still here? | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | dude, you hacked all night long? | 18:05 |
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| +MrHairgrease | (04:11:09 PM) rizen [n=rizen@76.210.64.125] entered the room. | 18:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | Which would be 9:11 AM for rizen I guess | 18:05 |
| @rizen | i wouldn't say all night long | 18:06 |
| @rizen | only until midnightish | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Lionel Richie would | 18:06 |
| @preaction | rizen: git revert is what you want | 18:06 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r99b89d4 / inc/WGDev/Builder.pm : convert single exec dist to a perl script instead of shell - http://bit.ly/1acTIM | 18:06 |
| @rizen | i posted this earlier...reposting | 18:06 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: William McKee master * r9620bb6 / lib/WGDev/Command/Intro.pm : adding export and referencing config command directly in intro text - http://bit.ly/pIoKL | 18:06 |
| @rizen | rizen: i need a git expert | 18:06 |
| @rizen | [09:17am] rizen: i somehow accidentally committed part of my memcached stuff to the WebGUI8 branch | 18:06 |
| @rizen | [09:17am] rizen: and I need to know how to fix that | 18:06 |
| @rizen | [09:18am] rizen: can anybody here help with that? | 18:06 |
| CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r7de959d / lib/WGDev/Command/Intro.pm : some intro docs adjustments - http://bit.ly/e2Bwr | 18:06 |
| @rizen | ok | 18:06 |
| @preaction | it reverses the commit and then you can commit that and push and everything should be fine | 18:07 |
| @rizen | but the commit i want to revert was several revisions ago | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | it should still work | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | just refer to it by commit ID | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | would anyone object if the translation server put which language is being committed in the commit message? | 18:11 |
| @preaction | no | 18:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | NO! | 18:12 |
| @preaction | rizen: yes, revert will just reverse it in your working copy, then you have to commit that change | 18:12 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: JT Smith WebGUI8 * rcb230c6 / (4 files in 3 dirs): | 18:12 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Revert "a start on a new memcached based cache system" | 18:12 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: This reverts commit 2865744fc928d310d90c864b6a8f5016104f9d61. - http://bit.ly/3vlSLo | 18:12 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: JT Smith memcached * r09358cb / lib/WebGUI/Cache.pm : started params validate work - http://bit.ly/u1Fzm | 18:12 |
| @preaction | yeah, like that | 18:13 |
| @preaction | dionak: You could write a URL handler that would parse the URL and retrieve the appropriate record from the Thingy, and then a Macro to make that URL from the Thingy's data | 18:15 |
| @preaction | (in Re: SEO URLs in Thingy) | 18:16 |
| dionak | i understand the first statement but not the bit about the macro | 18:16 |
| @preaction | you'll need something to create that URL for you, no? | 18:16 |
| dionak | yes, it will need to be created or derived somehow | 18:17 |
| @preaction | the URL that will later be parsed by the URL handler | 18:17 |
| @preaction | so make a Macro do it, instead of doing it manually | 18:17 |
| dionak | i see, but what data would be used? | 18:17 |
| @preaction | that way anybody can easily use your URL handler, and it might get more credit | 18:17 |
| @preaction | i dunno | 18:18 |
| dionak | :) | 18:18 |
| dionak | i started writing a content handler yesterday | 18:18 |
| @preaction | though i should mention that "SEO URLs" is a misnomer. search engines don't care about URLs, it only makes it easier for people to use | 18:18 |
| dionak | i'm not a seo expert but i disagree because of inbound links. i think the url is considered when links are parsed. anyways, you're correct in that the biggest concern is making urls human-friendly. | 18:20 |
| dionak | ok, i'll let you guys know how it works out. | 18:21 |
| dionak | rizen, did you see my email about the Thingy roadmap? | 18:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | translation server upgraded and restarted | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | now we can keep track of Bart better | 18:26 |
| @rizen | dionak: the one you sent last night that i replied to? | 18:26 |
| +BartJol | eeh | 18:26 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: any usefull upgrades for my own translation server? | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I changed the svn commit message to include the Language that is being updated. | 18:27 |
| +BartJol | ah, I don't commit from my server | 18:27 |
| dionak | ah, it was filtered into a folder. thanks rizen | 18:27 |
| @rizen | dionak: glad you got it | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: did you see that I restored the original Darwin buffer hack for disabling Apache modules? For some reason it wasn't working on rizen's box. | 18:31 |
| @Haarg | ? | 18:31 |
| @Haarg | odd | 18:31 |
| @Haarg | which box? | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | his laptop, maybe? | 18:32 |
| @rizen | yup my lappy | 18:33 |
| +BartJol | eeeh, rizen don't talk like that, it scares me | 18:35 |
| +BartJol | lappy, brrrrrrrrrrrrrr | 18:36 |
| @rizen | i'm all about scaring you bart | 18:36 |
| @rizen | but if you want to scare some people, you need to model that underwear my wife made for you | 18:36 |
| +BartJol | oh, ok | 18:36 |
| +BartJol | eeeh, it scare myself most prolly | 18:36 |
| CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12368 /translations/RedNeck/RedNeck/ (AssetAspect_Subscribable.pm Form_Date.pm Account_Friends.pm): Updating RedNeck on translation server | 18:37 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, i see what happened. i changed it in a way that broke tests, and the change you made just caused the whole thing to do nothing. | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah Bart, wear the underwear! | 18:38 |
| +BartJol | MrHairgrease: eeeh no? | 18:39 |
| +BartJol | I tried it on once | 18:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | and... | 18:40 |
| +BartJol | it isn't really comfy | 18:40 |
| +BartJol | and I feel even more ridiculous than normal | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | yep, do nothing, just like it used to | 18:41 |
| +BartJol | :) | 18:41 |
| +BartJol | acme plugin? | 18:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | Bart, you can wear anything you like, but you cannot just plugin anything | 18:42 |
| +BartJol | no? | 18:44 |
| +BartJol | sure I can | 18:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | NO YOU CANNOT!!! | 18:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm telling you... | 18:45 |
| +BartJol | well, then it must be true, where can I find that on the internet? | 18:45 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, actually, it looks like the original code would have broken just like mine did. | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | it doesn't because it lets rizen run tests | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | unless I don't understand which breakage you're talking about | 18:50 |
| @Haarg | no, the change you made broke it in a completely different way | 18:50 |
| @Haarg | basically, the change you made disabled the hack altogether | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | so, the change I made did not restore it to the way that it was in 7.7, 7.6 7.5, etc? | 18:51 |
| @Haarg | nope | 18:51 |
| @Haarg | because you never loaded Class::Null | 18:51 |
| dionak | rizen, i've responded to you. | 18:51 |
| @Haarg | so that code ref would return undef | 18:51 |
| @Haarg | and it would continue loading stuff like normal | 18:51 |
| @Haarg | the problem is that rizen recompiled perl on a new version of os x | 18:52 |
| @Haarg | so the version check broke | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | but, if it continued loading stuff like nomal, that would imply that the hack isn't needed at all. | 18:52 |
| @Haarg | because the new version is 10.0.0 | 18:52 |
| @Haarg | it's only needed on old versions of os x | 18:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | bartjol: sure: http://geefmegeld.nl/home | 18:53 |
| @Haarg | at least, it's supposedly needed on old versions. i can't exactly test that. | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I was wondering how he was even triggering that in the first place | 18:54 |
| +BartJol | aah, haven't seen that before there | 18:54 |
| +BartJol | sorry | 18:54 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no problem | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | so we should really fix the version check, restore the new @INC bypass, have him test it and call it good | 18:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | You prolly didn't know how dynamic that page is | 18:56 |
| @Haarg | even with the version check fixed the hack is broken | 18:56 |
| @Haarg | which is why it caused problems | 18:56 |
| @Haarg | i'll fix it though | 18:56 |
| +BartJol | MrHairgrease: is it beer time? | 18:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | Almost | 18:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | still have half a bottle over here | 18:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | then I'll come to locus | 18:59 |
| +BartJol | ah, then I'll have a smoke and will move over there | 19:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | oki | 19:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'l bethere in about 20 - 30 minutes | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Mrs. Dreamer is taking me out for coffee. be back in a while | 19:05 |
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| @rizen | first, i'd like to say that Params::Validate is AWESOME! | 19:26 |
| @rizen | second | 19:26 |
| @rizen | i'm wondering how detailed i should get with checking parameters | 19:26 |
| @rizen | for example, i have a param that can literally be anything | 19:26 |
| @rizen | so the only check i can perform on it is that it's a non empty scalar | 19:27 |
| @rizen | is it even worth checking? | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | only if you care that it isn't empty | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | if empty is valid, then don't check it | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | or maybe undef? | 19:28 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r9b74ab2 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : remove attempted apache hack in tests - http://bit.ly/pBwXy | 19:34 |
| @Haarg | decided to just do away with it altogether | 19:34 |
| @Haarg | we don't even have 10.3 available to test | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | kristi does | 19:35 |
| @Haarg | nope | 19:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | I thought that rizen was upgrading/installing a laptop one day before the WUC? | 19:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | is anyone having problems starting apache on 7.8.1? | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I keep getting: Cannot read config file: /etc/mywebgui.conf at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI.pm line 163\n | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I haven't made any changes to the apache config file | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | no updates to mod_perl or apache today or yesterday | 20:05 |
| +perlDreamer | bbiab | 20:07 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, that error is almost certainly my fault but i'm not sure why it would happen | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | how is it your fault? | 20:22 |
| @Haarg | 3703fb86d686b7a111ec578870562f6334de3fc9 | 20:23 |
| @Haarg | how do you have WebguiRoot and WebguiConfig set in your apache config? | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/193694 | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | however, if you ask the Apache server object for those variables, it says it doesn't have them. | 20:26 |
| @Haarg | well, it apparently is getting the config file somehow | 20:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's getting it from the request object | 20:30 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 20:31 |
| +perlDreamer | the the server object doesn't have either of those variables in dir_config | 20:31 |
| @Haarg | well, it makes sense that it would be broken | 20:34 |
| @Haarg | i'm rather puzzled why it worked before though | 20:34 |
| +perlDreamer | both the variables exist in the request object, but not the server object | 20:35 |
| +perlDreamer | are you having problems like that using the WRE? | 20:37 |
| @Haarg | no, i have the webgui root defined outside the virtualhost | 20:38 |
| @Haarg | like i say, i get the brokenness. i can't see how it could have worked for you in the past. | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | defining WebguiRoot outside the virtual host makes it work again | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I've had that same apache config file for years | 20:43 |
| @Haarg | ok, i get it | 20:46 |
| @Haarg | the way you had the root set was broken | 20:46 |
| @Haarg | but that root was never really paid attention to | 20:47 |
| @Haarg | the only root path that was really used was the one defined in preload.perl | 20:47 |
| @Haarg | which preloads all the config files | 20:48 |
| @Haarg | and caches them by filename. but it was only using the bare filename as the key in the past. so when the request asked for localhost.conf (no matter what root was used) it would get the same object. | 20:48 |
| @Haarg | not sure what the best fix for that is. the change i made seems much more correct to me, but we may have to revert it. | 20:49 |
| @Haarg | also, kristi's old laptop has 10.4, as does rizen's old powerbook | 20:57 |
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| @Haarg | well, i think we'll want to just keep the new behavior of the config file loading. the way you had it configured wasn't valid, so i guess we'll just break that. | 21:09 |
| kristi | kristi is stunned that JT has opera in his iTunes | 21:09 |
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| @plainhao | modproxy not able to connect to the modperl instance for some reason, should i change the modperl conf to listen to a specific ip? | 21:15 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc5e9abe / (4 files in 4 dirs): Add a progress bar to uploading zip archives in Gallery Albums. Fixes bug #10994. - http://bit.ly/pI4A1 | 21:28 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5d8b8b3 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Add a progress bar to uploading zip archives in Gallery Albums. Fixes bug #10994. - http://bit.ly/s2pka | 21:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | kristi, as of 7.8.1, and 7.7,21, when you upload a zip archive to a gallery album, it will display a progress bar. | 21:35 |
| kristi | ok, perldreamer | 21:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | nice of her to pop in so I could tell her that | 21:38 |
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| * rizen has iTunes paused. | 21:42 | |
| * rizen has iTunes paused. | 21:43 | |
| @Haarg | exciting | 21:43 |
| * bopbop isn't running iTunes currently. | 21:43 | |
| +perlDreamer | aw | 21:44 |
| +perlDreamer | packaging up a Thingy doesn't bring the things with it | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | wait a sec, you get things, but no thing table | 21:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | hey, Terminus- | 23:08 |
| Terminus- | heya perlDreamer. how's it going? =) | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | not too bad. | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | hacking hard, fixing bugs | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | did you manage to get WebGUI fully up and going on your no-root hoster? | 23:10 |
| Terminus- | nice. i'm doing a git pull right now. i want to find out if i can modify the code to use a UNIX socket for communication. | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | communication for what? | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | between spectre and httpd? | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | or for email? | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | or...? | 23:11 |
| Terminus- | perlDreamer: yep. i got it running yesterday. i ran it on a vm with 128mb of ram. didn't know it wanted 850mb. i had heavy disk thrashing. XD | 23:11 |
| Terminus- | perlDreamer: yeah, between spectre and httpd. i have no idea if using a UNIX socket makes sense or not, or if there're any pitfalls. | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | does the default setup not work for you? | 23:12 |
| Terminus- | perlDreamer: it does work, but i'm thinking of the UNIX socket in case of an environment where listening on an IP address is not allowed. | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I see | 23:14 |
| Terminus- | perlDreamer: i already checked the code yesterday and i think i know what to do. it's just that i've never done any network coding before so i have no idea what to expect. hehe | 23:15 |
| Terminus- | perlDreamer: i just looked at github and saw your name in the latest commit. =) | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I do a little bit of work on WebGUI | 23:16 |
| Terminus- | so i figured. | 23:17 |
| Terminus- | maybe i should write up what i did to get webgui running with minimum root access. basically assuming that libapreq2 is installed. | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | It would make a great wiki article | 23:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | I would add it to the install wiki | 23:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | whoa! mech422 returns | 23:20 |
| mech422 | heh - bad penny, prodigial son, etc etc :-) | 23:20 |
| Terminus- | perlDreamer: i should start writing it then. hehe | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | our wiki has a WYSIWIG editor, Terminus-, so it should just be a matter of banging it out | 23:22 |
| mech422 | perlDreamer: It appears I'm getting stuff 'stuck' in the collaboration system - posts don't appear until I enter another one ? | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | mech422, tell me more about your setup? | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | do you have caching enabled | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | which version tag setup are you using? | 23:23 |
| mech422 | sceptre says its in 'waiting' status - yes, caching enabled | 23:23 |
| Terminus- | perlDreamer: yeah... and i'll have to review what i did. i can't exactly remember all the packages i installed. | 23:23 |
| mech422 | default version tag's I guess - I don't recall changing it. Workflow is 'commit without approval' | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | so you add a post, nothing shows up. | 23:23 |
| mech422 | which is basically a wait till 'version start time' , followed by a commit | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | then you add post #2, then they both showup? | 23:24 |
| mech422 | no - add post #2, and post #1 shows up - add post #3, and post #2 shows up :-P | 23:24 |
| Terminus- | for now though, i gotta hit the sack. still have to deal with my gf's cousin's office network in a few hours and it's already 430am. XD | 23:24 |
| Terminus- | good night. | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | good night | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | mech422, that's odd. | 23:25 |
| +perlDreamer | have you ?tried to duplicate this on a demo site, to see if it's reproducible | 23:25 |
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| mech422 | no - just figured I did something stupid :-P | 23:25 |
| +perlDreamer | well, if you can do it twice, that might make it a bug we can fix | 23:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | and right now, I'm fixing reproducible bugs first | 23:26 |
| mech422 | sceptre doesn't need cron to wake it up does it ? I don't think I added the jobs to the crontab for 'monitor sceptre' | 23:26 |
| mech422 | (I'm guessing since its a daemon is self-sufficent ? ) | 23:26 |
| +perlDreamer | spectre will wake itself up | 23:26 |
| mech422 | Hmm - the 'version tags' section in the admin console shows _no_ versions, and I'm working in a version tag called 'none' | 23:28 |
| mech422 | that might have something to do with it | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | are you looking at pending versions, or committed versions? | 23:28 |
| mech422 | dunno - it didn't say ? if i click 'manage pending versions' - it doesn't show anything pending... | 23:29 |
| mech422 | clicking 'manage commited versions' shows a ton of stuff | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, that's autocommit | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | it doesn't ask you, it just goes in | 23:30 |
| * perlDreamer suspects a caching-type issue. | 23:30 | |
| mech422 | version tag 'mode' is 'commit automatically' - is that the version tag setup you were asking for ? | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | I still think it's a caching problem, maybe in the client | 23:35 |
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| mech422 | checking on the demo site | 23:35 |
| mducharme-work1 | aurgh.. one of the short bus people pulled the fire alarm for no reason.. bell right outside my office hurts my ears heh | 23:35 |
| +perlDreamer | "short bus"? | 23:36 |
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| mducharme-work1 | there's some kind of support group for mentally handicapped people upstairs, where they have singalongs and stuff.. apparently one of them decided it would be fun to play with the fire alarm control | 23:37 |
| mducharme-work1 | I feel sorry for em and all, I just wish they wouldn't pull the fire alarm :P | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 23:41 |
| mech422 | perldreamer - I'm guessing its not a caching issue based on 'spectre.pl --status' showing 1 workflow 'waiting' | 23:49 |
| mech422 | but it seems to be working fine on the demo site :-P | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | mech422, that's a good indicator that it's a configuration, setting or some other local issue. | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | in autocommit mode, you often don't need spectre to do the commits | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | so the "waiting" that you're seeing may not be related at all. | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | which workflow is it that is waiting? | 23:54 |
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| mech422 | It doesn't appear to show that - just the 'instance id' ? | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | you can backtrack it from there | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | look up the instance Id in the WorkflowInstance table. In there you'll find a Workflow ID, | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | from that WorkflowId, in the workflow table, you'll find the name of the workflow. | 00:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | offhand, I'd say that it's one of the email handling workflows. They tend to get stuck quite easily | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | writing tests for Thingy is not easy | 00:19 |
| mech422 | ahh - email is not configured on this machine... | 00:20 |
| mech422 | still trying to find the dam mysql user/pw :-P | 00:21 |
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| mech422 | ahh - according to the 'show running workflow' screen - its the hourly maintenance workflow | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | that's not related to the version tag issues | 00:26 |
| mech422 | right | 00:27 |
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| @rizen | quick dev poll: | 00:40 |
| @rizen | you request a key from the cache server that doesn't exist | 00:41 |
| @rizen | should it return undef | 00:41 |
| @rizen | or an 'not found' exception? | 00:41 |
| @preaction | if this were python, it'd be a notfound exception. is there an ->exists() method? | 00:43 |
| @preaction | i think exception, if there's a way to detect it | 00:43 |
| @preaction | that way it forces people to code correctly (check if it exists before assuming it does) | 00:44 |
| @preaction | nah, screw it. | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I think undef | 00:44 |
| @preaction | undef | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | just like looking up something in a perl hash | 00:45 |
| @preaction | then: if ( my $val = $cache->get(...) ) { return $val } else { $cache->set(...) } <- a good construct | 00:45 |
| @preaction | but exists() might still need to be there, in case undef is a value inside the cache | 00:46 |
| @rizen | there is no "exists" method, but i could create one by trapping this specific exception that's returned from memcached | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | well, if memcached naturally throws exceptions, then we should do it with exceptions. | 00:52 |
| @preaction | why? we can hide that nastiness from the developer | 00:53 |
| @rizen | it doesn't really throw exceptions | 00:53 |
| @rizen | it has this weird error handling system | 00:53 |
| @Haarg | i think it's reasonable to have it return undef for not found and throw exceptions for any other errors | 00:53 |
| @rizen | you call a method | 00:53 |
| @rizen | then you call $memcached->errstr | 00:53 |
| @rizen | see what the value of errstr is | 00:54 |
| @rizen | and so on | 00:54 |
| @rizen | so it's two method calls at least to do anything | 00:54 |
| @rizen | one to do the thing | 00:54 |
| @rizen | one to check on the thing | 00:54 |
| @preaction | i say undef because it's not a problem to have a missing key. if it were something else, it might be a problem to return undef | 00:54 |
| @preaction | bah, why do people keep copying DBI's error "handling" system? | 00:54 |
| @Haarg | well, this is a rather thin layer over the C api | 00:55 |
| @rizen | this is also my favorite | 00:56 |
| @rizen | it always says 'success' when you connect to the server | 00:56 |
| @rizen | and it isnt' until you actually try to get or delete or whatever that you might get a connection error | 00:56 |
| @rizen | and the connection error is: SYSTEM ERROR Unknown error: 0 | 00:56 |
| @preaction | ... wow | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we should bake our own | 00:57 |
| @rizen | heh | 00:57 |
| @rizen | we are | 00:57 |
| @rizen | i'm writing this nice wrapper over it | 00:57 |
| @rizen | =) | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | of course, I'm feverish, so consider that with all advice today | 00:57 |
| @rizen | Haarg has Jesus in his throat. | 00:58 |
| @preaction | i hope you at least got dinner first | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | no, food is the problem | 01:03 |
| @preaction | oh, i was talking about Haarg and Jesus | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | somebody set $perlDreamer::$|=undef; | 01:03 |
| @preaction | er... isn't autoflush $|++? | 01:04 |
| @preaction | oh, now i get it | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | no, you're right | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | no buffering | 01:04 |
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| elnino | hi all! | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, elnino! | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | what perplexing questions do you bring today? | 01:10 |
| elnino | nothing really. I just feel really dumb. So I wanted to surround myself with smart people. | 01:11 |
| @preaction | but then why are you here? | 01:11 |
| elnino | umm. because you are all smart! lol | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | for the same reason we come here every day, Pinky | 01:11 |
| @preaction | well, at least we've convinced you, that's something | 01:11 |
| @preaction | i think so, Brain, but how will we get the keyboard to deliver electric shocks? | 01:12 |
| elnino | oh. my client calls me up on a converence call, I'm bathing my newborn and the thrid party was his current ISP wanting to know why they couldn' didn't support webgui. | 01:12 |
| elnino | All I could think was You need VPS and the guy didn't know what that was. | 01:12 |
| @rizen | how's this for an error message. when you call mget, whether you get any results or not, it returns 'SERVER END' as the error string | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | why are we using this particular memcached library? | 01:13 |
| @rizen | because it's the fastest one on the market | 01:13 |
| @rizen | and it's written by one of the most brilliant minds in the world | 01:14 |
| @rizen | brian acker | 01:14 |
| @preaction | me? | 01:14 |
| @preaction | aww | 01:14 |
| @rizen | i don't think this is his fault really...i'm thinking that these codes are what is returned from memcached | 01:14 |
| @rizen | maybe i'm wrong | 01:14 |
| @rizen | it doesn't really matter | 01:14 |
| @rizen | i'm wrapping it all into a nice tidy api | 01:14 |
| @rizen | i just find it amusing while i do it | 01:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | 99%! | 01:21 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Yeah.. I've been lazy. | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | you have a strange definition of lazy | 01:22 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: The Haskell one :-) | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | but know this, every other week there will be a new squirt of i18n coming out, so strike while the iron is hot | 01:22 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Weak Head Normal Form evaluation of stuff: eval only what's needed at any given time, and no more | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | lazy evaluation, indeed | 01:24 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I'm missing the translation of Stock. I'm not familiar with the lingo, so I've asked my brother in law to lend a hand on sunday. | 01:26 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: So we should hit 100% on sunday evening. | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | awesome! | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | we'll shower you with karma and accolades | 01:26 |
| SquOnk | An Blue Sparks! | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | Blue Sparks? | 01:27 |
| SquOnk | And* | 01:27 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Yeah, that's a new meme... | 01:27 |
| SquOnk | ...you know, alongside Rainbows and Ponies, there's Blue Sparks :-) | 01:27 |
| @rizen | ok new poll | 01:30 |
| @rizen | memcached is down | 01:30 |
| @rizen | do we throw an exception or not | 01:30 |
| @rizen | i've already coded it to throw an exception | 01:30 |
| @rizen | but i just thought of something | 01:30 |
| @rizen | it's a cache server | 01:31 |
| @rizen | a) it's unnecessary | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | once you start using exceptions, forever will it dominate your path | 01:31 |
| @rizen | b) you might have multiple servers | 01:31 |
| @rizen | and therefore one being down is ok | 01:31 |
| @rizen | c) it throws an exception if one server is down even if there are others available | 01:31 |
| @rizen | like i said, i've already coded it to throw an exception | 01:32 |
| @rizen | but i'm having second thoughts on that | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | multiple servers would be setup in the config file. So if there are, it shouldn't throw an exception until they've all been tried. | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | or, like you said, no cache is available to fallback to doing the work again | 01:35 |
| @rizen | no, that's not how memcached work | 01:35 |
| @rizen | works | 01:35 |
| @rizen | actually | 01:36 |
| @rizen | i'm starting to think another way | 01:36 |
| @rizen | i'm starting to think that everything in cache should throw an exception | 01:36 |
| @rizen | but that you should never try to catch these exceptions | 01:36 |
| @rizen | or you just ignore them | 01:36 |
| @rizen | because "nothing" is a valid answer from cache | 01:37 |
| @rizen | that way if during development, or for the purposes of tests | 01:37 |
| @rizen | we can trap everything | 01:37 |
| @rizen | but in a production site | 01:37 |
| @rizen | we simply don't care if cache is down | 01:37 |
| elnino | http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs - I still have this problem in 7.6.35.... | 01:44 |
| elnino | I'll make additional notes on the ticket. | 01:44 |
| @Haarg | what bug # ? | 01:45 |
| +cap10morgan | was the behavior of shortcuts whose target assets no longer exist changed between 7.5 and 7.7? | 01:47 |
| +cap10morgan | they seem to cause the page not to load at all in 7.7 | 01:47 |
| +cap10morgan | but not 7.5 | 01:47 |
| elnino | oh. Sorry about the url.. umm | 01:47 |
| elnino | habit. | 01:47 |
| elnino | 10167 | 01:47 |
| elnino | so why isn't the bug number in the url? | 01:48 |
| elnino | is that a bug? =) | 01:48 |
| +cap10morgan | they just say, "the asset this shortcut is linked to no longer exists. you need to delete this shortcut." | 01:48 |
| @rizen | it should still do that cap10morgan | 01:49 |
| @rizen | if it's not, then that's a bug | 01:49 |
| +cap10morgan | ok, i'll file it then | 01:49 |
| +cap10morgan | when i delete the shortcut from the db, the page starts loading | 01:49 |
| +cap10morgan | thanks rizen | 01:50 |
| @rizen | so long as you're sure that's the actual bug | 01:50 |
| @rizen | and there's not something else going on | 01:50 |
| @rizen | otherwise it will be closed as "works for me" | 01:50 |
| @rizen | i'd test it on demo.webgui.org | 01:50 |
| @rizen | create a shortcut to something | 01:50 |
| @rizen | then delete and purge tthat thing | 01:50 |
| +cap10morgan | oh yeah, good call | 01:50 |
| @rizen | and see what happesn | 01:50 |
| +cap10morgan | i'll do that first | 01:50 |
| @Haarg | elnino, the bug # not being in the url is not a bug, but it is an rfe i'd like to implement. | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, that sounds an awful lot like client side caching | 01:53 |
| elnino | Haarg. I just creatd an rfe for you. It used to be there...LONG ago. | 01:53 |
| +cap10morgan | rizen: here's what i get: http://demo.webgui.org/demo1253919067_15/your_next_step | 01:53 |
| +cap10morgan | i made a shortcut to the "welcome" article on the home page | 01:53 |
| +cap10morgan | then deleted and purged the article | 01:54 |
| +cap10morgan | the shortcut is on the page i just linked | 01:54 |
| @rizen | and now it says your demo doesn't exist | 01:54 |
| elnino | perlDreamer. hmm. it's me. I guess it could be, I did upgrade to ff3 recently approx time I upgraded | 01:54 |
| +cap10morgan | it does? uh oh | 01:54 |
| * elnino steps away | 01:54 | |
| @rizen | when i go to that url i get the "create a demo" button | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I can see that URL | 01:54 |
| +cap10morgan | that's odd... | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | it's the home page, after an error | 01:54 |
| @rizen | ok | 01:54 |
| @rizen | then i'd say that'a definitely a bug | 01:55 |
| @rizen | =) | 01:55 |
| +cap10morgan | hehe, ok | 01:55 |
| +cap10morgan | filing away | 01:55 |
| +cap10morgan | i'll see if i can fix it too | 01:55 |
| @rizen | certainly reproducable | 01:55 |
| @rizen | =) | 01:55 |
| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan, if you turn on debug on that demo site (which I did), it'll tell you what the problem is | 01:57 |
| +cap10morgan | oh yeah? | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 01:58 |
| +cap10morgan | can i cheat and ask you? :) | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Can't call method "get" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm line 270. | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | that's like 15 minutes work, very easy to fix | 01:58 |
| +cap10morgan | ah ha, so probably it's trying to call a method on the target asset before checking whether or not it exists? | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | chained method calls are bad when getting an asset | 01:59 |
| +cap10morgan | ok, i'll see if i can crank out a patch for that and commit to github | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | don't forget the test! | 01:59 |
| +cap10morgan | oh yeah! | 01:59 |
| * cap10morgan is excited to write a test | 01:59 | |
| +perlDreamer | If you need help, I'll be in channel for quite a while longer | 01:59 |
| +cap10morgan | man, and here i thought this weekend would be boring | 02:00 |
| +cap10morgan | i gotta run now sadly, but will work on this this weekend if i can | 02:00 |
| +cap10morgan | thanks rizen and perlDreamer | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | have fun! | 02:02 |
| @rizen | np | 02:04 |
| elnino | perlDreamer, you were referring to the adminbar bug, as being a cache issue? right? | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I tried doing what you describe, and it works | 02:07 |
| elnino | 7.6.35? | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.8 | 02:08 |
| elnino | it says that it was fixed in 7.6.1x | 02:08 |
| elnino | illlook at my broqwser settings, ltr I always have caching off | 02:09 |
| * elnino steps away to play | 02:09 | |
| mech422 | Have a good weekend everyone... | 02:10 |
| @rizen | you too | 02:10 |
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| SquOnk | Ok, 99.3%. Only Stock to go... | 02:16 |
| SquOnk | ...will do that on sunday | 02:16 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: JT Smith memcached * ra34f584 / lib/WebGUI/Exception.pm : Added WebGUI::Error::Connection, and fixed docs - http://bit.ly/2Tw8R3 | 02:42 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: JT Smith memcached * raf70523 / (7 files in 4 dirs): added exceptions, docs, and removed disableCache - http://bit.ly/E4IdZ | 02:42 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rf8006bc / (3 files in 3 dirs): Make thingy respect thing permissions when generating form field for other things. Fixes bug #11032 - http://bit.ly/152cyy | 03:02 |
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| @preaction | what should i do if i absolutely hate the new admin console's layout? | 03:44 |
| @preaction | if i'm writing the spec for it right now | 03:45 |
| @preaction | i hate hate hate hate hate the accordian | 03:45 |
| @preaction | hate | 03:45 |
| +perlDreamer | suck it up | 03:45 |
| +perlDreamer | or propose something different | 03:45 |
| @preaction | what if it was more like the OS X menu? a big WG to the top-left that had the entire admin console in it, and menus added/removed as you move between tabs | 03:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't like the OS X menu | 03:46 |
| @preaction | i tried getting rid of the accordian a while ago, not sure i remember how much i was yelled at | 03:46 |
| @preaction | it's just too much wasted space | 03:47 |
| +perlDreamer | it used to pop out of the left side when hovered | 03:47 |
| +perlDreamer | but people didn't like that | 03:47 |
| @preaction | yeah, that's stupid too | 03:47 |
| +perlDreamer | it all seems arbitrary to me | 03:48 |
| @preaction | i want the full width, so that the RTE looks much more like the actual page will look | 03:48 |
| @preaction | well, if i had my way there'd be some very interesting things going on, but that's neither here nor there | 03:49 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe the page could be one huge carousel, and you rotate it for different functions | 03:49 |
| +perlDreamer | that would make it like those new desktops that have come out | 03:50 |
| @preaction | the obvious solution: write it so that the accordian can be easily removed! | 03:55 |
| SDuensin | Hey guys. | 03:59 |
| @preaction | sup foo! | 03:59 |
| SDuensin | I kinda liked the old across-the-top admin bar. It didn't frack up your page layout when it was open. | 03:59 |
| @preaction | the new admin console wont have an adminbar on any page ever | 04:00 |
| @preaction | the normal view will be inside the admin console, in an iframe | 04:00 |
| SDuensin | Should I be scared of that? You said "iframe". :-P | 04:01 |
| @preaction | what's wrong w/ iframes? | 04:01 |
| SDuensin | But to answer "sup foo!", I'm reading the eBox module docs to see how hard it'd be to control the WRE with it. :-) | 04:01 |
| @preaction | you should probably be more scared with what i'll have to do inside the iframe from outside the iframe to make things work correctly | 04:02 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 04:02 |
| @preaction | luckily, JS makes this nice. i can override every <a href=""> to have an onclick="" that will update the browser history correctly (so the URL in your location bar actually works to bring you to the Admin Console with those tabs open) | 04:03 |
| @preaction | but worse, the best way i see of doing the new Admin Console is to make two plugin points | 04:03 |
| @preaction | the Asset Helpers, which were already planned (each asset class can have helpers that open dialogs and/or perform actions) | 04:04 |
| @preaction | and Admin Panes, like Search Assets or Manage Users or Whatever | 04:04 |
| @preaction | then, later, we can turn WebGUI::User into a DBIx::Class with a WebGUI::Definition and auto-generate the Admin Pane for it | 04:05 |
| SDuensin | *Head Explodes* | 04:05 |
| @preaction | sorry, i've been reading too many docs on Django, which does so much for you it's incredible | 04:05 |
| @preaction | you define a model, and it defines administration, and there are simple views you can use right out of the box | 04:06 |
| @preaction | you write 100 lines of code, and you have a blog | 04:06 |
| SDuensin | With WebGUI, I write zero and have a blog. :-P | 04:06 |
| @preaction | not really, the templates for the blog kinda suck, so you have to fix those | 04:07 |
| SDuensin | Yea, I know. I hate that dashed outline. :-) | 04:07 |
| @preaction | then you realize that OMG you want to add something to the template, but then you have to write a macro in 20 lines to do it, which slows things down | 04:07 |
| @preaction | oh wait, you want to add a trackback to it, but you can't subclass the collaboration system, so now what can you do? | 04:08 |
| SDuensin | Easy. Forget trackback. :-) | 04:08 |
| @preaction | not an option, you're a geek. when there's a problem you solve it | 04:08 |
| SDuensin | I'm a geek with very limited time. | 04:09 |
| @preaction | so we should make it easier for you to add Trackback to webgui, so that I don't have to do it | 04:09 |
| @preaction | because I also have limited time | 04:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | you can too subclass the CS. | 04:30 |
| +perlDreamer | Newsletter does it | 04:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | Don't scare these poor people with your Moose/DBIXYZPDQ inspired rants | 04:30 |
| @rizen | me? | 04:30 |
| @preaction | no, me | 04:30 |
| +perlDreamer | no, not you | 04:31 |
| daviddelikat | hey whats the favorite helpdesk bug/feature for the weekend? | 04:31 |
| +perlDreamer | bug fixes! | 04:32 |
| daviddelikat | thats not very specific | 04:32 |
| @rizen | if there are HD bugs on the bug list, those should always be worked on before any RFEs | 04:32 |
| +perlDreamer | you should feel free to pick any that you like to fix | 04:32 |
| +perlDreamer | but do fix them quickly, because if helpdesk ever gets put into the core, you'll have to fix bugs AND write tests. | 04:33 |
| daviddelikat | but people like it when I fix the ones that are bothering them | 04:33 |
| +perlDreamer | which will slow you down about 5X | 04:33 |
| @rizen | none are specifically bothering me right now | 04:33 |
| @rizen | it's gotten a lot better with your efforts | 04:33 |
| daviddelikat | I am trying to get around to writing tests as I go | 04:33 |
| @rizen | HD has a long way to go to make it into core | 04:34 |
| @rizen | needs lots of tests | 04:34 |
| +perlDreamer | wahoo! | 04:35 |
| +perlDreamer | test leakage ahoy | 04:35 |
| daviddelikat | it would be easier to find bugs to fix if they were resolved/closed... | 04:35 |
| SDuensin | Whew. I started lurking again just in time. rizen almost caught me! | 04:36 |
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| @rizen | daviddelikat: in all seriousness i have a new project i need you to get started on right away | 04:46 |
| @rizen | so put HD on hold and go look at your email | 04:46 |
| daviddelikat | good news! | 04:46 |
| daviddelikat | thanks | 04:46 |
| daviddelikat | apparently email is taking the scenic route... | 04:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I intercepted it | 04:49 |
| +perlDreamer | with no email, you'll have to fix bugs | 04:49 |
| daviddelikat | ha ha I got it before you got it :) | 04:49 |
| daviddelikat | rizen: looks very cool, do you want something like what helpdesk looks like? | 04:50 |
| daviddelikat | where people can submit an item and then comment back and forth | 04:50 |
| @rizen | sure if you like | 04:51 |
| @rizen | like i said, you're designing this feature | 04:51 |
| daviddelikat | wow freedom! | 04:51 |
| @rizen | cuz I don't have time to design it | 04:51 |
| @rizen | i just need it to work, and work well | 04:51 |
| daviddelikat | I'll have as complete as I can writeup for you by Monday. | 04:52 |
| @rizen | i need this in 7.8 so that I can use it to collect speech ideas for WUC 2010 | 04:52 |
| daviddelikat | I can cleanup stuff Monday night and Tuesday night anad then start coding on Wednesday. | 04:52 |
| @rizen | sounds good | 04:52 |
| @rizen | you're already familiar with EMS so it shouldn't be too hard to get up to speed | 04:52 |
| daviddelikat | rizen: I have to put my business hat on... | 04:58 |
| daviddelikat | how do you want to handle billing? | 04:58 |
| @rizen | billing? | 04:58 |
| daviddelikat | like hourly or project | 04:58 |
| @rizen | hourly | 04:58 |
| @rizen | just like we've been doing | 04:58 |
| daviddelikat | ok | 04:59 |
| daviddelikat | I'll email the docs to you by Monday | 04:59 |
| daviddelikat | again than ks | 04:59 |
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| +cap10morgan | should i commit that bugfix for shortcuts to master or webgui-7.7? | 05:18 |
| @preaction | cap10morgan: if it affects both, then both | 05:18 |
| @preaction | and you did test this, right? | 05:19 |
| +cap10morgan | i will yes, i'm not ready to commit, just wondering which branch i should checkout | 05:19 |
| +cap10morgan | what's the recommended way to commit to both branches? should i commit to one and cherry-pick on the other? (kind of a git noob) | 05:20 |
| @preaction | yes | 05:20 |
| @preaction | cherry-pick works great | 05:20 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 05:21 |
| @preaction | evening | 05:21 |
| SquOnk | Can anybody explain how do I use the 'User defined' sort order for Collaboration Systems? | 05:21 |
| +perlDreamer | is uses the user defined fields? | 05:22 |
| @preaction | if you're using the user defined fields, you can sort on them | 05:22 |
| @preaction | to use those, you have to create a field in the Post Form Template | 05:22 |
| SquOnk | preaction: I see. | 05:22 |
| @preaction | like: <input name="userDefined1" /> | 05:22 |
| SquOnk | Let me get this straight. | 05:22 |
| SquOnk | 1. Change the template so new fields appear | 05:22 |
| SquOnk | 2. The fields need to be named userDefined# | 05:23 |
| SquOnk | 3. Sorting will happen on those fields' values. | 05:23 |
| @preaction | where # = 1..5 | 05:23 |
| @preaction | yes | 05:23 |
| SquOnk | Good, thanks | 05:25 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r8833c18 / t/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.t : Cleanup version tags. - http://bit.ly/11xBdl | 05:29 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb32ecab / t/VersionTag.t : Clean up Sessions that are built for testing. - http://bit.ly/Hv8Ac | 05:29 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5876dec / t/VersionTag.t : Clean up Sessions that are built for testing. - http://bit.ly/aXIfh | 05:29 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r50650c0 / t/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.t : Cleanup version tags. - http://bit.ly/19ruxa | 05:29 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf53af08 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : | 05:29 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Fix a bug with session counting for WEBGUI_TEST_DEBUG | 05:29 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Store an offset for the session created by the test, which will exist | 05:29 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: when initial counts are taken. And delay final counts as late | 05:29 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: as possible, after the session has been closed. This prevents | 05:29 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: a bunch of delta: -1's from showing up. - http://bit.ly/YQOmt | 05:29 |
| @preaction | what if we put a "Templates" admin console item that would organize templates by Asset Type and View? | 05:30 |
| +perlDreamer | that sounds more like an asset helper | 05:30 |
| @preaction | asset helpers should work on instances of assets | 05:31 |
| +perlDreamer | like edit branch? | 05:31 |
| @preaction | so an Image has a "Rotate" helper | 05:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I guess that starts here, on $self | 05:31 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen made a convincing argument that patspam's template search and replace function should be implemented as an asset helper. | 05:32 |
| @rizen | yeah, search and replace is quite a bit different than a list of templates | 05:33 |
| @rizen | and how dare you say that i made a convincing argument | 05:33 |
| @rizen | there could be a "Template Manager" screen just like we're adding a "Package Manager" screen in WebGUI 8 | 05:34 |
| @rizen | and then the template search and replace could either be a function of the template management screen, or an asset helper, or both | 05:34 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5144dfa / (t/Shop/Cart.t t/Workflow/Activity/RemoveOldCarts.t): More test cleanups. - http://bit.ly/3LthEf | 05:36 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rfaa214a / (t/Shop/Cart.t t/Workflow/Activity/RemoveOldCarts.t): More test cleanups. - http://bit.ly/CGgD8 | 05:36 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r16ac69c / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Add cleanup for shopping carts. - http://bit.ly/34iCYX | 05:45 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd088386 / t/Workflow/Activity/RemoveOldCarts.t : Use better cleanup technology. - http://bit.ly/33Cix3 | 05:45 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, I'm having a SPAM problem. | 05:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I keep getting transactions from someone named Ellis Boyd Redding | 05:46 |
| +perlDreamer | He buys movie starlet posters, and small rock hammers. | 05:47 |
| @rizen | he's a guy who can get things | 05:47 |
| @rizen | so it makes sense that you'd have lots of transactions from him | 05:47 |
| +cap10morgan | is there a way to purge an asset w/o purging shortcuts to it via the API? so i can write a test for this bugfix? | 05:48 |
| +perlDreamer | how did you do it on the site? | 05:49 |
| +cap10morgan | hahaha | 05:49 |
| +perlDreamer | :) | 05:49 |
| +cap10morgan | i have no idea! | 05:49 |
| +cap10morgan | i don't know how half of the things that happen on my sites happen | 05:49 |
| +perlDreamer | you cut the asset to the trash, and then purged the trash? | 05:49 |
| +cap10morgan | hmm, yeah, maybe | 05:49 |
| +cap10morgan | does that miss the shortcut(s)? | 05:49 |
| +perlDreamer | it shouldn't | 05:50 |
| +perlDreamer | which should be a 2nd bug | 05:50 |
| +perlDreamer | see AssetTrash, line 166 | 05:50 |
| +perlDreamer | currently, there aren't tests for that, either | 05:51 |
| +cap10morgan | i guess if you're testing the behavior of corner cases that shouldn't happen but you still want to make sure that the system fails gracefully when they do, it's acceptable to modify the database directly in the test | 05:51 |
| +cap10morgan | right? | 05:51 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe | 05:52 |
| +perlDreamer | only if you need to | 05:52 |
| +perlDreamer | but don't leave any artifacts laying around | 05:52 |
| +perlDreamer | no version tags | 05:52 |
| +perlDreamer | no storage objects | 05:52 |
| +perlDreamer | no collateral | 05:52 |
| +perlDreamer | clean out all tables | 05:52 |
| +cap10morgan | yeah | 05:54 |
| +cap10morgan | well, you can certainly do it via the interface | 05:55 |
| +cap10morgan | if you trash the asset, the shortcut goes to the trash too | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | just purge it then | 05:55 |
| +cap10morgan | but then you can check off just the asset and then purge just that | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | and that explains the bug | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | getShortcutsForAsset must not search the trash | 05:55 |
| +cap10morgan | so if i could execute the same code path via the api, that would be ideal for the test | 05:55 |
| +cap10morgan | *should* that op purge the shortcut? | 05:56 |
| +perlDreamer | definitely | 05:56 |
| +cap10morgan | even if you don't check it in the interface? | 05:56 |
| +cap10morgan | i guess there's no real reason to leave it there | 05:56 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 05:56 |
| +cap10morgan | ok, so i should fix both things and add tests for both things | 05:57 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be cool | 05:57 |
| +perlDreamer | but fix the Shortcut chained one first | 05:57 |
| +cap10morgan | but then i think i have to manipulate the DB to test for the missing asset error message vs. anything less graceful than that | 05:58 |
| +perlDreamer | you can use an eval? | 05:58 |
| +cap10morgan | hmm, i'm not following | 05:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm probably over thinking it. | 05:59 |
| +cap10morgan | :) | 05:59 |
| +perlDreamer | hack on! :) | 05:59 |
| +cap10morgan | haha, ok, i'll give it a shot and you all can reject my feeble attempt if it's no good :) | 05:59 |
| +perlDreamer | regardless, I'll drop you some karma when you're done | 06:02 |
| +perlDreamer | it isn't often we get people submitting tests, or patches! | 06:03 |
| * perlDreamer has to put the kids to bed. I might be back on later tonight. | 06:13 | |
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| elnino | preaction - my client will be hosted at pb. Do you guys accept third party smtp server in settings-messaging? if emails don't get thru, does the email people have to do something on their end to accept emails from you?(hopefully that makes sense) | 06:44 |
| @preaction | go ahead, or you can use our sendmail, doesn't matter either way really | 06:45 |
| elnino | oh. so usr/lib/sendmail? | 06:46 |
| elnino | - is that where yours is? | 06:48 |
| @preaction | doesn't matter, just "sendmail" in that box will do it | 06:51 |
| elnino | OK.. can you try somethign for me? I'm getting weird behavior on my site, that I've never had. | 06:52 |
| elnino | http://av.mediaangels.com/contact-us/techsupport | 06:52 |
| elnino | fill out this form, submit, and click on "go back" | 06:52 |
| elnino | please. =) | 06:52 |
| elnino | what happens? | 06:53 |
| elnino | anyone. | 06:53 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: JT Smith memcached * rebb6134 / (27 files in 7 dirs): bug fixes - http://bit.ly/3wTwzH | 06:53 |
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| @preaction | elnino: one sec | 07:04 |
| @preaction | i go back to the form | 07:05 |
| elnino | in ie6 I have cache off (supposedly) and the page does not refresh to the data form again. in FF3, it does. | 07:05 |
| @preaction | but weirdly, i'm given the same captcha | 07:05 |
| elnino | I've seen that too. FF? | 07:06 |
| @preaction | Safari 3 | 07:06 |
| @preaction | one sec. want to see if it lets me submit the form again | 07:06 |
| @preaction | no, of course not | 07:06 |
| elnino | is this a cache issue? It's weird | 07:07 |
| @preaction | DataForm with Captcha enabled should disable cache, and more importantly all captchas should disable their own cache | 07:07 |
| @preaction | it's a browser cache issue, but under our control | 07:07 |
| elnino | In IE, no matter how many times I click on "refresh" I can NOT get the form back, until I delete offline content - EVEN though I'm not supposed to have off line content. | 07:08 |
| elnino | ok. so, bug report? | 07:08 |
| @preaction | yeah, if that even works to fix it | 07:08 |
| elnino | "that" being what? | 07:09 |
| elnino | the captcha? | 07:09 |
| elnino | I'll try disable it. | 07:09 |
| elnino | hmm. without captcha, IE6 still doesn't work. | 07:11 |
| elnino | s/work/bring me back to the data form | 07:11 |
| elnino | bug report made. | 07:18 |
| elnino | does the 7.6 primer to 7.7? or are there a lot of changes? | 07:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, we're backsliding about 3-5 bugs per day | 08:16 |
| +cap10morgan | what's the proper format for specifying an individual test you'd like wgd to run? | 08:17 |
| +cap10morgan | ah, you can just give it the path :) | 08:19 |
| +cap10morgan | easy enough | 08:19 |
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| +cap10morgan | what should Shortcut::getContentLastModified return when the target asset is missing? | 09:34 |
| +cap10morgan | that's where this bug lies | 09:34 |
| @preaction | return 0 i'd say | 09:41 |
| @preaction | in case it shows up again or something | 09:41 |
| +cap10morgan | preaction: what about returning the shortcut's revisionDate? | 09:45 |
| +cap10morgan | is 0 better? | 09:45 |
| @preaction | 0 means the shortcut won't be cached at all | 10:00 |
| @preaction | the revisionDate might mean caching, which you don't want | 10:00 |
| @preaction | you don't want an error message cached by the user's browser | 10:00 |
| +cap10morgan | yep, ok | 10:00 |
| +cap10morgan | 0 it is | 10:00 |
| +cap10morgan | i have tests and fixes for the 2 bugs coming shortly | 10:01 |
| +cap10morgan | when committing a test that checks for regressions of a specific bug, do you like folks to reference the bug id in a comment? | 10:01 |
| @preaction | no need | 10:02 |
| @preaction | just as long as it's tested, that's all i care about | 10:02 |
| @preaction | just tired of things that should be rock-solid being broken because something else changed and there were no tests for it | 10:02 |
| @preaction | ex: The DataForm should be Rock Solid, it's been rewritten completely. but we didn't require tests, so there are still bugs in it | 10:03 |
| @preaction | or Calendar | 10:03 |
| @preaction | god Calendar... | 10:03 |
| @preaction | rewritten completely. no tests | 10:03 |
| @preaction | Syndicated Content. rewritten completely. few tests. | 10:04 |
| @preaction | User Profiling, rewritten completely, few tests. | 10:04 |
| @preaction | there's the four big PB employees | 10:04 |
| @preaction | (me included) | 10:04 |
| @preaction | the macro parser still has bugs in it, and it's been rewritten at least 3 times since i started working here | 10:05 |
| @preaction | 3 times and we can't fix all the bugs in it | 10:05 |
| @preaction | i am both outraged and guilt-ridden | 10:06 |
| +cap10morgan | i hear ya | 10:06 |
| Terminus- | eek! didn't know adding a wiki article requires approval first. XD | 10:11 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Wes Morgan webgui-7.7 * rfcbceed / (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed bug #11052; includes test - http://bit.ly/y7sjA | 10:11 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Wes Morgan webgui-7.7 * ref4d5ca / (14 files in 9 dirs): Merge branch 'webgui-7.7' of github.com:plainblack/webgui into webgui-7.7 - http://bit.ly/2QzwM3 | 10:11 |
| Terminus- | decided to write a short stub and saving it before i finish writing it. afraid i might lose it because of an auth timeout or whatever. | 10:11 |
| +cap10morgan | preaction: let me know if i screwed anything up there | 10:11 |
| Terminus- | oh wait. it's available now. hehe | 10:12 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Wes Morgan webgui-7.7 * r8d73695 / (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed bug where shortcuts weren't purged along with assets when both were in the trash - http://bit.ly/mmhfF | 10:30 |
| +cap10morgan | oops, i committed something to my local webgui-7.7 w/o pull down changes first | 10:37 |
| +cap10morgan | so | 10:37 |
| +cap10morgan | that caused an ugly merge | 10:38 |
| +cap10morgan | that's why i should have had autosetuprebase on right? | 10:38 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Wes Morgan master * r4583ce1 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed bug #11052; includes test - http://bit.ly/U0AZS | 10:44 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Wes Morgan master * r4d22e7b / (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed bug where shortcuts weren't purged along with assets when both were in the trash - http://bit.ly/32nkqm | 10:44 |
| @preaction | probably | 10:45 |
| +cap10morgan | ok, 2 bugs down, 2 tests added to make sure they don't regress, time for bed :) | 10:50 |
| +cap10morgan | thanks for your help preaction | 10:50 |
| @preaction | np | 11:08 |
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| Terminus- | { int x = 1234; x /= 1000; cout << x;} | 13:26 |
| Terminus- | whoops... | 13:26 |
| @preaction | ew, C++ | 13:29 |
| Terminus- | preaction: hey, it's my day job. =P | 13:42 |
| @preaction | no big, just not my favorite language in the world | 13:42 |
| @preaction | could be worse, i learned Obj-C | 13:42 |
| Terminus- | preaction: i know. we're here because of perl after all. =) | 13:42 |
| @preaction | also, mind if I ask where you're from? an 8-hour difference from me must put you in a new country | 13:42 |
| @preaction | it's almost 6:00am here | 13:43 |
| Terminus- | preaction: philippines. | 13:43 |
| Terminus- | it's 6:43pm here. | 13:43 |
| @preaction | yeah, that's why it was weird, it was 12 hours | 13:43 |
| @preaction | 8 hours is the eurotrash | 13:43 |
| Terminus- | ack! writing the guide to installing webgui without root is taking me more time than i expected. | 13:43 |
| Terminus- | preaction: you're in the US east coast? | 13:44 |
| @preaction | heh, yeah i get that too | 13:44 |
| @preaction | Central, actually | 13:44 |
| @preaction | about 90 minutes from Plain Black HQ in Madison, WI, USA | 13:44 |
| Terminus- | i see... | 13:44 |
| Terminus- | nice. i've only been in the US twice. don't know when i'll get to go there again. | 13:44 |
| @preaction | and don't worry about the time it's taking you, better to take some extra time and do it right | 13:44 |
| Terminus- | yeah... | 13:45 |
| @preaction | hopefully in time for the WebGUI Users Conference of 2010 (11 months away, probably) | 13:45 |
| Terminus- | i opted to write it straight into the wiki, so there's this big header that says it's a WIP. | 13:45 |
| @preaction | isn't everything in a wiki a WIP? ;-) | 13:46 |
| Terminus- | haha. my visa will expire in 8 months. i don't actually know much about webgui. i just started fooling around with it this week. i learned about it a few years ago because i was looking for a CMS written in perl. | 13:47 |
| @preaction | that and travelling to the US is probably a bit pain in the ass anyway | 13:47 |
| Terminus- | preaction: that's true. but in my case, it should mean "don't bother following this right now, you won't get anywhere". hehe | 13:47 |
| Terminus- | preaction: maybe. last time i went there was relatively trouble free. | 13:48 |
| @preaction | which reminds me that I heard rumors the Aussies were planning something of their own | 13:48 |
| @preaction | though patspam is in New York I believe now | 13:48 |
| Terminus- | just head to the airport, board the plane, drink some tylenol pm, and wake up in LA. | 13:48 |
| Terminus- | preaction: i see. cool. | 13:49 |
| Terminus- | brb. gotta make dinner. | 13:49 |
| @preaction | well, just don't let our enthusiasm at seeing new faces around here frighten you off ;) | 13:55 |
| @preaction | i suppose i should attempt some sleep before the housewarming party tomorrow | 13:55 |
| @preaction | good luck | 13:56 |
| Terminus- | i'm not frightened. i actually find it kinda cool. =) | 13:57 |
| Terminus- | preaction: thanks. take care and have fun at the party! good night. =) | 13:57 |
| +patspam | preaction: not yet, in 1 month | 14:01 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r01b6305 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt docs/maintenance.html): Add no-cache headers to maintenance screen. Fixes bug #11037 - http://bit.ly/E5pQV | 18:53 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r568e200 / t/Asset/Shortcut/010-linked-asset.t : Make sure all version tags are cleaned up. - http://bit.ly/Kae6R | 18:53 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb738f23 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt docs/maintenance.html): Add no-cache headers to maintenance screen. Fixes bug #11037 - http://bit.ly/Hc3Qi | 18:53 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * raa0b3cc / t/Asset/Shortcut/010-linked-asset.t : Make sure all version tags are cleaned up. - http://bit.ly/aU9s8 | 18:53 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: JT Smith memcached * r0c6b814 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Snippet.pm lib/WebGUI/Operation/Cache.pm): more bug fixes - http://bit.ly/12Wzka | 20:18 |
| Terminus- | hello. question, how do i delete an attachment in the wiki? there's no link that references it but clicking on the X still doesn't delete it. | 22:38 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 00:04 |
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| SquOnk | All right, it's done. | 00:42 |
| SquOnk | Spanish 100% | 00:42 |
| @rizen | YOU RULE! | 00:44 |
| SquOnk | He | 00:47 |
| KlausH | congratulations! | 00:47 |
| @rizen | who all was working on it? | 00:48 |
| @rizen | just you? | 00:48 |
| SquOnk | rizen: Yep | 00:50 |
| SquOnk | rizen: The customer knew about i18n.webgui.org but they're too lazy to do anything about it. | 00:50 |
| SquOnk | I'm actually working on a script that downloads a particular language and builds the appropiate Debian package... | 00:51 |
| KlausH | WOW. Great job. We were at least three that did the Geman translation durring the last 12 month. | 00:51 |
| SquOnk | webgui-i18n-XX | 00:51 |
| @rizen | i just gave you 5000 karma | 00:52 |
| SquOnk | That way, if you want to get a translation installed, you work on i18.webgui.org, run the script and then dpkg -i your freshly i18n package. | 00:52 |
| @rizen | and if you email me your physical address i'll send you this year's webgui t-shirt | 00:52 |
| SquOnk | rizen: Oh wow. | 00:52 |
| @rizen | KlausH: your t-shirt will be on-route this week. i haven't sent it yet cuz it's been crazy around here | 00:53 |
| @rizen | SquOnk: don't forget to tell me your size | 00:53 |
| SquOnk | rizen: It's the same address I sent you last year... XL | 00:53 |
| @rizen | yeah | 00:54 |
| @rizen | i don't have that email | 00:54 |
| SquOnk | rizen: Ok, let me send you the address then. | 00:54 |
| @rizen | i only keep my messages for six months unless it's customer related | 00:54 |
| SquOnk | rizen: Last year you sent an XXL t-shirt that was waaaaay to big for me, but just perfect for the guy who works for us doing Linux tech support... | 00:55 |
| SquOnk | ...he's a walking WebGUI banner | 00:56 |
| @rizen | ok then i guess i'll send you two XL shirts | 00:56 |
| SquOnk | In other news | 00:57 |
| SquOnk | On monday we'll be installing WebGUI on THE largest venezuelan bank | 00:57 |
| SquOnk | ...we've been chosen to build part of the intranet system using WebGUI, and hopefully built the main website eventually | 00:58 |
| SquOnk | build | 00:58 |
| @rizen | nice dude | 00:59 |
| @rizen | hope you're making big money on that | 00:59 |
| SquOnk | rizen: That's the idea | 00:59 |
| SquOnk | rizen: We're interested in doing the internet banking, which is outside WebGUI and will always be, but currently is very badly written in not-Perl | 00:59 |
| SquOnk | rizen: So we'll review the WSClient for the initial bridging, but then we'll propose the rewrite of the internet banking thing. | 01:00 |
| SquOnk | rizen: Those are the big bucks we're aiming for ;-) | 01:01 |
| @rizen | sounds good to me | 01:01 |
| SquOnk | rizen: Have you decided where to go with the database issues in 8.0? | 01:02 |
| * SquOnk is pulling for DBIx::Class ;-) | 01:02 | |
| @rizen | that's not going to happen | 01:02 |
| @rizen | that's not even on the webgui 8 todo list | 01:03 |
| @rizen | we're only doing stuff that's on the todo list | 01:03 |
| @rizen | did you read it? | 01:03 |
| SquOnk | rizen: I recall reading something, but now I'm not sure what I read :-) | 01:03 |
| @rizen | you were drinking again weren't you? | 01:04 |
| SquOnk | rizen: Water, perhaps. | 01:04 |
| SquOnk | rizen: That might have increased the blood level in my alcoholic stream | 01:04 |
| @rizen | heh | 01:05 |
| SquOnk | webgui-8-todo-list | 01:05 |
| SquOnk | "Investigate alternative databases" | 01:05 |
| @rizen | when we rewrite webgui for perl 6 we'll be following whatever the DBIx::Class equivilent is in P6 | 01:05 |
| @rizen | yeah...that's just the storage engine, that's not rewriting webgui from the ground up | 01:06 |
| @rizen | ie: switching from MyISAM to InnoDB or something of that nature | 01:06 |
| SquOnk | rizen: Ok | 01:07 |
| SquOnk | rizen: I remember talking about it here (you weren't) because of the Search issues... | 01:07 |
| @rizen | if i made that level of change, nearly all my users would leave webgui | 01:07 |
| SquOnk | rizen: I hear you, don't worry. | 01:07 |
| @rizen | that's why we need to do a rewrite in perl6 while still maintaining the perl5 version of webgui | 01:08 |
| @rizen | if we keep both versions going then we can keep the current users happy | 01:08 |
| @rizen | while allowing ourselves to use the latest technologies and techniques in the new version | 01:08 |
| @rizen | the only way we can switch away from myisam is if we can also switch to a new search engine | 01:10 |
| @rizen | so that's why both items are in the investigate list | 01:10 |
| @rizen | i guess technically we could keep the search index as a myisam table while all the rest are innodb | 01:11 |
| @rizen | but that seems a bit silly and dangerous | 01:11 |
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| SquOnk | rizen: Well, I did a lot of research on search engine stuff a year or so ago... | 01:13 |
| SquOnk | rizen: ...and ended up using dpsearch | 01:13 |
| @rizen | i really like the performance numbers of sphinx | 01:13 |
| @rizen | but there are two other things i don't like | 01:13 |
| @rizen | 1) no real time indexing (and webgui does real time) | 01:13 |
| @rizen | 2) requires it's own database for each search index | 01:14 |
| @rizen | dpsearch, eh? | 01:14 |
| @rizen | cool, i'll have a look at it | 01:14 |
| @rizen | what's the url? | 01:14 |
| SquOnk | rizen: I'm not sure it fits well in WebGUI's model though. It requires batch processing. The results are outstanding. | 01:14 |
| SquOnk | rizen: Let me look it up for you | 01:14 |
| @rizen | found it | 01:15 |
| @rizen | http://www.dataparksearch.org/ | 01:15 |
| SquOnk | rizen: That's it | 01:15 |
| SquOnk | rizen: We used it for a year or so with great results, until Postgres 8.3 came out. | 01:15 |
| @rizen | the current top contender is http://search.cpan.org/~olly/Search-Xapian/ | 01:15 |
| @rizen | don't know about it's performance though | 01:16 |
| SquOnk | rizen: Haven't tried any of those. | 01:16 |
| @rizen | also looking at http://search.cpan.org/~creamyg/KinoSearch-0.30_07/ | 01:16 |
| SquOnk | rizen: We built a special purpose search engine. | 01:17 |
| SquOnk | rizen: And we had no problem running dpsearch in batch three or four times a day... | 01:17 |
| SquOnk | rizen: ...but every batch run was painful. | 01:17 |
| SquOnk | rizen: Haven't tested Xapian either. | 01:17 |
| @rizen | that's the same problem i have with sphinx | 01:17 |
| @rizen | although sphinx indexes very very fast | 01:18 |
| @rizen | but you basically have to either track and merge deltas | 01:18 |
| @rizen | or redo the full search index every day | 01:18 |
| @rizen | both are not nearly as cool as real time indexing | 01:18 |
| SquOnk | rizen: That's why I switched to Pg 8.3 FTS. | 01:18 |
| @rizen | isn't an option for me really | 01:19 |
| SquOnk | rizen: First, it uses THE right indexing technique. | 01:19 |
| SquOnk | rizen: I know, but let me explain why it worked for us so maybe you can look for something similar MySQL/Perl wise | 01:19 |
| SquOnk | rizen: Effective indexing requires inverted-list indexing. PostgreSQL allows for that directly because of its Object-Relational extensions. | 01:20 |
| SquOnk | That means you have a column with a special non-scalar datatype. | 01:20 |
| SquOnk | Say you have 'article' (the text) and 'article_fts' (the special column) | 01:20 |
| @rizen | i'd like to finish this conversation another day...my dinner guests just arrived | 01:20 |
| @rizen | ttyl | 01:21 |
| SquOnk | You can create an _index_ (create index) on article_fts which is not a B-tree but an inverted list. | 01:21 |
| SquOnk | rizen: Enjoy! | 01:21 |
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| elnino | is there a place on webgui.org I can download the logo? I only see the "powered by" icons | 06:55 |
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| +patspam | welcome lsr! | 09:31 |
| +patspam | (that's my house mate) | 09:31 |
| +patspam | ..currently installing webgui on his lappie | 09:32 |
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| +SynQ | sunday | 14:04 |
| Terminus- | hello SynQ =) | 14:05 |
| Terminus- | SynQ: would you know how to delete a previously uploaded attachment in community-wiki? clicking on X button doesn't work. | 14:05 |
| +SynQ | nope | 14:07 |
| +SynQ | I guess that is a bug | 14:07 |
| +SynQ | I would report it as a bug, if it isn't a bug it will be closed appropriately | 14:07 |
| Terminus- | hmmm... oh well. | 14:07 |
| Terminus- | SynQ: okidokie. thanks. | 14:07 |
| +SynQ | :) | 14:08 |
| Terminus- | SynQ: would you know if there're any pitfalls if i modified webgui to communicate through UNIX sockets? i mean between apache and spectre.pl. | 14:11 |
| +SynQ | yes | 14:12 |
| +SynQ | it wouldn't be 'plain webgui' any more | 14:12 |
| +SynQ | but for the rest | 14:12 |
| +SynQ | I wouldn't know | 14:12 |
| +SynQ | I don't see any advantage in doing that | 14:12 |
| +SynQ | the performance gain would be minimal | 14:13 |
| +SynQ | and it would mean 'work' | 14:13 |
| Terminus- | SynQ: i'm just considering it to get it to work in an environment where listening on a particular port is not allowed. | 14:14 |
| Terminus- | i've already cloned the git repo. if i succeed, i could make a diffpatch of it. | 14:14 |
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| dugans | I can't login to a fresh webgui install on a local machine (nOOb to webgui) | 15:15 |
| dugans | Anybody able to help? | 15:15 |
| dugans | never mind- finally found the right place to look! | 15:22 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: JT Smith memcached * rd399f23 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Snippet.pm lib/WebGUI/Cache.pm): fixed bugs, adding logging - http://bit.ly/7IkkW | 01:41 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: JT Smith memcached * r2a94b08 / (4 files in 4 dirs): added logging - http://bit.ly/12w23g | 01:41 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: JT Smith memcached * ree8ebd4 / lib/WebGUI/Cache.pm : removed typo - http://bit.ly/1bSHnu | 01:41 |
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| elnino | hi. I want to disable a site, but want it to be updated when I do webgui updates. Is there a way to do this? | 05:20 |
| @preaction | move the modperl and modproxy files to ".modperl.disabled" and ".modproxy.disabled" | 05:21 |
| @preaction | so, iow, remove it from apache, but not from WebGUI | 05:21 |
| elnino | ok. perfect! | 05:24 |
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| elnino | is there a way to do a show databases in webgui? what would the dsn be? | 05:47 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rcad1d99 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Do not display the history tab in the wiki page if the user can't see the history page. Fixes bug #11056 - http://bit.ly/NVGtm | 06:35 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rfa06b66 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Do not display the history tab in the wiki page if the user can't see the history page. Fixes bug #11056 - http://bit.ly/yuPVN | 06:35 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r0292155 / docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.21/default-wiki-page.wgpkg : Backport the wiki page history tab fix. - http://bit.ly/iyf87 | 06:35 |
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| elnino | preaction, I think you told me what pb uses for their videos - they outsource it to someone... who was that? | 06:50 |
| @preaction | blip.tv | 06:51 |
| elnino | thanks | 06:53 |
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| elnino | preaction, so to understand this blip thing, you post there, and they distribute it to you tube and other partners? I've seen webgui on youtube... | 07:16 |
| @preaction | i don't know | 07:22 |
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| @preaction | any webgui gurus got time for a discussion of WebGUIx? I finally have a fully fleshed-out framework I want to run by someone | 07:57 |
| elnino | I'm not a guru, and if I were, definately not at midnight. =) | 08:19 |
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| +bartjol | Terminus-: are you justinjereza? | 11:30 |
| Terminus- | bartjol: ummm... yeah. | 11:33 |
| +bartjol | that took a long thought | 11:34 |
| Terminus- | bartjol: i was AFK for a bit. =) | 11:34 |
| +bartjol | ah | 11:35 |
| Terminus- | bartjol: why do you ask? you have any violent reactions against me? hehehe | 11:35 |
| +bartjol | not yet | 11:35 |
| Terminus- | eeek! that implies that there will be some in the future. =/ | 11:36 |
| +bartjol | just to be able to couple forum posts and irc nicks | 11:36 |
| +bartjol | well, it will depend on yourself | 11:36 |
| Terminus- | i see. hehe | 11:36 |
| +bartjol | and before I can do anything to you, it seems I have to travel quite some distance | 11:36 |
| Terminus- | haha. that's true. =) | 11:37 |
| +bartjol | so I'll have a good reason for a nice vacation | 11:37 |
| Terminus- | bartjol: not a good idea right now though. 80% of the capital was underwater over the weekend. =/ | 11:38 |
| +bartjol | ah, I was moving yesterday, so I missed that | 11:39 |
| +bartjol | Philipines it is then, since you're online, I suppose you weren't in th danger-area | 11:40 |
| Terminus- | nope. but the block i was in was surrounded by streets that were flooded. cars parked on our street since they couldn't get anywhere else. | 11:40 |
| +bartjol | mmm, not good | 11:41 |
| Terminus- | yeah... didn't feel too good this morning so i wasn't able to make it to work. don't know yet how many of my officemates were affected by the flood. | 11:42 |
| Terminus- | i know at least one lives in one of the hardest hit areas. | 11:42 |
| +bartjol | well, but on the bright side, you still have internet | 11:45 |
| Terminus- | yes. it was the one thing that seems to have survived the weekend. people were coordinating rescue efforts through facebook, twitter, and google maps. | 11:46 |
| +bartjol | well, then are those sites used in a useful manner for a change | 11:47 |
| +bartjol | but do you still have running water? | 11:47 |
| Terminus- | bartjol: i live in an area that never lost electricity, water, phone, and net connection over the weekend. i was even able to make a quick run to the grocery in the middle of the storm. most people aren't as lucky. the refugee centers still need more potable water and food. | 11:48 |
| +bartjol | Any relatives that got hit seriously? | 11:49 |
| Terminus- | bartjol: not that i know of. i'd have heard by now if there were. | 11:50 |
| Terminus- | one of the more disturbing videos over the weekend --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZUaA6IhU-w | 11:52 |
| +bartjol | got shivers from that | 11:54 |
| Terminus- | yeah... there were other reports of people drowning in their cars and houses. =( | 11:56 |
| +bartjol | disturbing the cruelty of mother nature | 11:58 |
| Terminus- | yeah... | 12:00 |
| +bartjol | well, I will skip my "beating up" holiday then | 12:01 |
| +bartjol | it is not much | 12:02 |
| Terminus- | hehe | 12:03 |
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| ryuu_ro | Woohhoo just installed Padre on my mac | 12:29 |
| ryuu_ro | only took me 2 hours :) | 12:29 |
| +bartjol | and? | 12:31 |
| ryuu_ro | now I have a working padre :) | 12:32 |
| +bartjol | mn u r l33t | 12:32 |
| ryuu_ro | not yet, but soon yes :D | 12:34 |
| +bartjol | oh, sorry, I meant prutser | 12:35 |
| ryuu_ro | Jealous? | 12:35 |
| +bartjol | sure... | 12:36 |
| +bartjol | keep dreaming | 12:36 |
| ryuu_ro | thought so | 12:36 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Patrick Donelan padre * r6cc5d71 / lib/WebGUI/Content/Padre.pm : fix js mimetype - http://bit.ly/M9BQb | 13:57 |
| +patspam | my housemate shane is the first official padre::plugin::webgui, but he had me to install it for him | 14:11 |
| +patspam | user, that it | 14:12 |
| +patspam | is | 14:12 |
| +patspam | can't type | 14:12 |
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| ryuu_ro | i'm planning to be the first padre plugin webgui user without having patspam to install it for me | 14:15 |
| +patspam | woo! | 14:15 |
| ryuu_ro | and I'm almost there :) | 14:15 |
| Terminus- | durrr... my host kills daemons that run for more than two minutes. i'll have to settle for drupal. =( | 14:18 |
| +patspam | Terminus: you trying to run webgui on shared hosting? | 14:20 |
| Terminus- | patspam: yeah... running the daemon would have been the last hurdle too. | 14:21 |
| Terminus- | i could run a cronjob that continually starts spectre, but i think that would be evil of me. | 14:22 |
| +patspam | have you spoken to SynQ about webgui-lite? I think that will be as cheap as shared hosting | 14:22 |
| Terminus- | patspam: not yet, but i'm not prepared to pay for another host service. i only want to maximize the usage of my existing one. | 14:23 |
| Terminus- | oh well, i'll just finish writing the guide to installing without root. i'm testing all the steps right now before adding more. | 14:27 |
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| Terminus- | ok, i hope i didn't miss anything. XD --> http://www.webgui.org/use/community-wiki/installing-webgui-without-root-access | 17:22 |
| Terminus- | it's missing a few things like sample configuration files but following it should give a successful webgui installation without root now. | 17:22 |
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| Terminus- | heya ekennedy =) | 17:39 |
| ekennedy | Hi Terminus: how is your experimentation with non-root installs going | 17:40 |
| Terminus- | ekennedy: i hope i got everything right here and didn't miss anything. any comments? --> http://www.webgui.org/use/community-wiki/installing-webgui-without-root-access | 17:40 |
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| ekennedy | Terminus: nice work. thanks. | 17:44 |
| Terminus- | heya perlDreamer. been waiting for you. =) | 17:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Whaddya need? | 17:44 |
| Terminus- | perlDreamer: thanks for the reply in the forum. i think i've completed it now. | 17:44 |
| +perlDreamer | awesome :) | 17:44 |
| Terminus- | perlDreamer: just wanted to let you know i think the article is complete. now i'm just wondering if i missed anything that would be a showstopper for others. =) | 17:44 |
| +perlDreamer | well, the article is debian centric, but there's a lot of debian based hosting out there | 17:45 |
| +perlDreamer | and how can you write about a setup you know that works without trying it out? | 17:45 |
| +perlDreamer | so I wouldn't sweat it | 17:45 |
| +perlDreamer | but I'll review the page later today and give you feedback as comments | 17:46 |
| +perlDreamer | on the page | 17:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to run my kids to school, be back in 20 | 17:46 |
| Terminus- | perlDreamer: thanks. i've only tested it on debian so that's the only thing i know. i'm pretty sure it will run under any distro though. | 17:46 |
| Terminus- | perlDreamer: ok, take care. | 17:46 |
| Terminus- | it's just that i didn't keep notes while testing it and now that i've written it, i'm not sure if i put in everything i did. XD | 17:47 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ree4b965 / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.1/default-wiki-page.wgpkg : Put package into the right place, really. - http://bit.ly/j2NT | 18:05 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, http://github.com/haarg/webgui-assets | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Terminus: what is XD? | 18:06 |
| Terminus- | perlDreamer: errr, smiley, except i'm squeezing my eyes shut. hehe | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: what's the organization of that? | 18:07 |
| @Haarg | just URL based | 18:07 |
| @Haarg | that's one of the questions i was going to ask | 18:07 |
| @Haarg | would it be more useful to have it based on the hierarchy of the import node, or have the file paths directly based on the URL? | 18:08 |
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| @Haarg | also, would it be good to have it add a global extension so the files could be recognized by an editor? | 18:09 |
| +perlDreamer | my first thought was import node, but then I remembered that the hierarchy is different between master, and stable branches | 18:09 |
| +perlDreamer | which is a bummer | 18:09 |
| @Haarg | and is it useful at all to go back any further than 7.6.0? | 18:09 |
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| * perlDreamer is always a fan of more data | 18:09 | |
| @Haarg | yeah | 18:09 |
| @Haarg | gets a bit tricky though. 7.5 doesn't have getLineageIterator and 7.4 has json stuff to deal with | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not worried about the global extension, editors can be taught to recognize what you have | 18:10 |
| @steveo_aa | Has there been any changes to Assets between 7.6.13 and now that would correct a problem a parent asset acquiring children assets due to a foreign character string in the title or menuTitle asset fields? | 18:12 |
| @steveo_aa | I'm currently experiencing a problem with the getLineage method returning any children when one child has Japanese characters in the title. | 18:13 |
| @steveo_aa | No children are returned even though there are 60. | 18:13 |
| +perlDreamer | are you returning objects, or assetIds? | 18:14 |
| @steveo_aa | Objects. | 18:14 |
| @steveo_aa | When testing in 7.7.19, getLineage works fine. | 18:14 |
| @Haarg | it won't have anything to do with the title | 18:15 |
| +perlDreamer | there was a 2nd round of UTF8 work done between 7.6.13 and 7.7.19, but I don't remember which version | 18:15 |
| @Haarg | nothing that would have impacted getLineage | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | steveo_aa, and I suppose that the logfile level is set high, and has no errors related to this? | 18:16 |
| @steveo_aa | There are no errors. My testing is from sbin | 18:17 |
| @steveo_aa | My code takes a parent asset, selects specific children assets from that lineage based on className, and reorders the assets in alphabetical order. I've determined that my problem is due to getLineage not returning a list of children assets on the production site. | 18:18 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, is there a reason the hierarchy changes between major revs are important? | 18:19 |
| @steveo_aa | Otherwise, this process has been tested and deployed previously with excellent results. | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | steveo_aa, even code in sbin will log, if internally wG is catching errors and logging them | 18:19 |
| @steveo_aa | I was thinking of patches to the code. | 18:19 |
| @steveo_aa | I'll look. | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I'm just thinking that with the hierarchy differences, it would be nice to always be able to look in the same place | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm guessing that there are only a very small number of WebGUI websites with the 'correct' hierarchy in them. | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | the rest are all different, based on when they were built, and how many times new templates were added directly to the import node. | 18:21 |
| @Haarg | the problem is somewhat that basing it on the url pretty much gives you no organization | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | well, if we take the organization from master, at least it is organized | 18:21 |
| @Haarg | you mean, base the 7.7 export's organization on master's? | 18:22 |
| +perlDreamer | master's | 18:23 |
| @steveo_aa | The logging is working and pointed me to a solution that has nothing to do with revisions to the Asset system. | 18:23 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the problem, Haarg. A user can't say, I'm using 7.7, this is what I expect the import node to look like | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | because maybe they started with 7.7, and it would match exactly. | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | or maybe they started with 7.6, and new stuff in 7.7 is dumped into the import node directly due to the way importPackage works | 18:24 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | but the organization in master is usually the best, since we clean it up all the time | 18:24 |
| @Haarg | well, there's no really ideal solution, so i'm thinking i'll just have it be hierarchical. | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I concur | 18:29 |
| @Haarg | also, how useful would it be to do it per-commit instead of per-release? | 18:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd prefer per-commit, with tags for releases | 18:30 |
| @Haarg | ok | 18:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm guessing that we're going to find that some bugs that were "fixed" may have been "unfixed" due to that very issue | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm starting to develop a very firm opinion that templates and snippets should never be stored in binary form | 18:32 |
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| @preaction | whatever shall i do? there isn't a single PB Support board post today | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | ooh! ooh! Ask me! | 18:49 |
| @Haarg | any feedback on the serialized asset repository? | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, first Haarg needs you to consider the SAR, then you can check the broken EMS, then the Map point bugs can be fixed, and then my car needs washing and I need a pony with blue sparklies! | 18:54 |
| @preaction | i choose to conjure the pony first | 18:55 |
| @preaction | perlbot: POE::Knee | 18:55 |
| @preaction | Haarg: i like it, provided we can serialize it all back up once we fix the URLs and what-not | 18:58 |
| @Haarg | well, you can import the files back to webgui with wgd import | 18:58 |
| @Haarg | but at this point it's only intended to be used to track the history, not to make modifications | 18:58 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: was that the EMS with the schedule problem? | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | The EMS in the bug has the wrong template chosen for either the front page and/or the schedule page | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I think choosing the right template will close 2 bugs on the board. | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | and I have a fix pending to make sure that it can't happen in the future. | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | the schedule template does not have its own namespace, so you can use it in the wrong places | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | since the template vars don't line up, it "looks" like it breaks the EMS | 19:00 |
| @preaction | the schedule page works now, and it's using the right template now, so yes i believe that is what the problem was | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | awesome! | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll close those bugs when I commit this fix | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | after I get done building a pony for Tavis | 19:01 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, were you ever able to duplicate the problems with the dataform up/down buttons? | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Only on webgui.org | 19:23 |
| @preaction | yeah i have to look into that today | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | If I took the same DataForm and installed it locally, it always worked fine | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | not to be bossy, but preaction I think it would be better if you fixed Map bugs | 19:24 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer and preaction, i'm about to start work on the Hot Session stuff, could you quickly comment on it if you have any comments | 19:24 |
| @rizen | others are welcome to comment as well, not trying to exclude anyone | 19:24 |
| @rizen | Haarg and I have already chatted about it a little | 19:24 |
| @rizen | http://www.webgui.org/develop/forum/session-cache-/-aka-hot-sessions | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think having the session timeout data being off by a few minutes is a big deal. | 19:26 |
| @rizen | ok | 19:30 |
| @rizen | couldn't this: | 19:31 |
| @rizen | insert into userSessionScratch (sessionId, name, value) values (?,?,?) on duplicate key update value=VALUES(value) | 19:31 |
| @rizen | be written more simply as this: | 19:31 |
| @rizen | replace into userSessionScratch (sessionId, name, value) values (?,?,?) | 19:32 |
| @preaction | yes | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, WebGUI Archaeology at its finest | 19:33 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: FYI Rakudo Perl 6 will be in F12 :D | 19:43 |
| +perlDreamer | cool! | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | how's things, perlmonkey2? | 19:44 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: things are well. Just cruising along. Tried to start on the housing unit of a wind turbine but realized welding isn't a trivial skill. So I've been trying to weld things that are broken at the ranch to hone my skills. | 19:45 |
| +perlmonkey2 | how are things with you? | 19:45 |
| +perlDreamer | not bad | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | kathy just started back to school. | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm working lots, which is good. | 19:46 |
| +perlmonkey2 | 6 week semesters? | 19:46 |
| +perlmonkey2 | heh, yes, working lots is good. | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | 11 week semesters. | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | she had a month off for September | 19:47 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ic | 19:47 |
| +perlmonkey2 | still digging school? | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | she is | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | this term should be easier, with the kids being in school | 19:47 |
| +perlmonkey2 | You started implementing any wG8 yet? | 19:48 |
| @preaction | should you be allowed to Trash something if there's a descendant on the clipboard | 19:48 |
| @preaction | if something is on the clipboard, i assume that anything i do will not affect it (much less deleting some asset) | 19:51 |
| @preaction | but as it is, if i cut something, and then trash/purge the parent, the cut asset disappears | 19:51 |
| @Haarg | maybe move it to the import node? | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: not me, but rizen has done some memcached stuff | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | if you purge the parent, then any getParent call is not going to do the right thing | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it should be purged along with the other assets below the ancestor | 19:53 |
| @preaction | it disappears because it's purged, but i had it on the clipboard so that it wouldn't get purged | 19:53 |
| @rizen | preaction: yes | 19:53 |
| @rizen | it is a weakness of the current system | 19:53 |
| @preaction | it doesn't show up in the asset tree anymore, so i assume it's not part of the stuff i'm about to trash | 19:53 |
| @rizen | but it is a designed in weakness | 19:53 |
| @rizen | it's *always* part of the tree | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, how about using copy instead of cut? | 19:54 |
| @rizen | not saying we shouldn't do something about it | 19:54 |
| @rizen | just saying that it's designed to work the way it does now | 19:54 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: copy == duplicate + cut. the copy will get purged along with it | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | mmmm, good point | 19:54 |
| @rizen | we used to have a branch in the page tree for "trash" and "clipboard" | 19:55 |
| @rizen | things would get moved to it | 19:55 |
| @rizen | but then we had to keep track of where it was originally | 19:55 |
| @rizen | and that became nightmarish because people would change those things over time | 19:55 |
| @preaction | that's good to know, as that was what i was going to suggest for clipboard | 19:55 |
| @rizen | plus it was slow on cut | 19:55 |
| @rizen | the big answer is that it's not simple no matter what you do | 19:56 |
| @rizen | both ways have problems | 19:56 |
| @rizen | but neither set of problems is unsurmountable | 19:56 |
| @rizen | if you were to purge the things around something that is in the clipboard in the current thing | 19:57 |
| @rizen | in the current implementation | 19:57 |
| @rizen | then you would create orphans | 19:57 |
| @Haarg | what if the item in the clipboard got moved when its parent was deleted? | 19:57 |
| @rizen | and that's not good either | 19:57 |
| @rizen | moved to where? | 19:57 |
| @preaction | would this be too ugly: if an asset on the clipboard is about to be purged, you move it to be a sibling of the top-most asset being purged | 19:58 |
| @preaction | so, just out of the way of the purge operation | 19:58 |
| @Haarg | well, import node is the simple answer, but that's not very nice for if it gets restored | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | the parent is gone, at that point on matter where you put it, it's not nice | 19:58 |
| @preaction | this still has the problem of a Post asset being a child of a Page Layout, but a Cut can't be undone except to Paste | 19:58 |
| @preaction | nm, there is a Restore | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I think one workaround to this is to export it as a package | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | the the ancestor is purged, the original will be lost | 19:59 |
| @rizen | if you start doing massaging like that you might end up with a wiki page attached to a folder, or a post attached to a layout or whatever | 19:59 |
| @rizen | things that violate the rules | 20:00 |
| @preaction | i don't want to work around it, i want it to work as the user expects :p | 20:00 |
| @preaction | if you call addChild on the asset in question, it should return false if it's not allowed to be added. that's the current method of enforcing these rules | 20:01 |
| @rizen | i think you need to post this to the dev mailing list | 20:01 |
| * perlDreamer gets out his user expectation remote adjustment tool | 20:01 | |
| @rizen | and have an open and lengthy discussion about it | 20:01 |
| @rizen | preaction: yes, but then where do you put it | 20:01 |
| @rizen | do you keep trraversing the tree up to the root until you find something you can put it on? | 20:01 |
| @rizen | and what if you never find something? | 20:01 |
| @rizen | do you then just trash it anyway? | 20:02 |
| @Haarg | which you never would most likely | 20:02 |
| @rizen | it's a hard problem to solve | 20:02 |
| @rizen | not something you can solve in 5 minutes on iRC | 20:02 |
| @preaction | i'll open the dev post with more details on how i think this can be fixed | 20:02 |
| @rizen | which is why I think dev mailing list is a more likely area | 20:02 |
| @rizen | to find a solution | 20:02 |
| @rizen | be sure to do a good job explaining the perils of the solution | 20:03 |
| @rizen | so people can spend some time coming up with ways around those perils | 20:03 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re5ead13 / (4 files in 4 dirs): | 20:06 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Force the user to pick a shipping method before checking out. Implements RFE #10940 | 20:06 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: If there is only 1 shipping method, automatically choose it. Displays | 20:06 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: an message to the user if they have an address, but no shipping method. - http://bit.ly/3yqlf4 | 20:06 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, preaction, for the dataform up/down bug, do you have a specific dataform you've seen the problem on? | 20:17 |
| @Haarg | i can't duplicate it with a new dataform i created on webgui.org | 20:17 |
| @preaction | Haarg: http://webgui.org/planet/add-your-blog | 20:17 |
| +perlDreamer | it's in preaction's version tag | 20:17 |
| +perlDreamer | the magic sequence is down, down, and then up | 20:17 |
| +perlDreamer | on the to: field | 20:17 |
| @Haarg | works fine for me | 20:19 |
| @rizen | what is this: webguiCsrfToken | 20:21 |
| @preaction | Cross-Site Request Forgery token, prevents a type of attack | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, you have to watch the order of the other fields as well | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | Try moving it down now | 20:22 |
| @preaction | i could make people delete a user by giving them a crafted URL when they're logged in to their site | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | and watch Cc, Your Name, and Bcc fields | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | they'll reorder themselves | 20:23 |
| @Haarg | still not seeing any problems | 20:26 |
| @Haarg | moved the two field all the way to the top, all the way to the bottom, and back | 20:26 |
| @Haarg | everything worked properly and the other fields didn't move | 20:26 |
| @preaction | Haarg: where are you doing this? | 20:28 |
| @Haarg | http://www.webgui.org/planet/add-your-blog | 20:28 |
| @preaction | but it didn't create a version tag for you | 20:28 |
| @Haarg | i committed it | 20:28 |
| @preaction | every time? | 20:28 |
| @Haarg | that is a problem though. i think it lets you move stuff even if it's locked. | 20:29 |
| @Haarg | at the end | 20:29 |
| @preaction | if i click Down on one field, and then click Up on it, the second time it won't move | 20:29 |
| @Haarg | i don't want to mess with it right now - two people editting the same asset in different version tags is enough | 20:31 |
| @preaction | mine's gone now | 20:33 |
| * perlDreamer needs to take a nap. | 20:37 | |
| +perlDreamer | Anyone volunteer for taking that task on for me? | 20:37 |
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| @preaction | i'll take a nap, but not for you! | 20:38 |
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| @Haarg | still not able to duplicate any problems with the dataform | 20:41 |
| @preaction | lucky | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | well, I guess I'll have to take the nap then, myself. | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | bbiab | 20:46 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: if your neighbor was piss poor with their money and had some bad luck and was short on their mortgage, and if you could cover it till they were back on their feet, would you? I don't really know them that well, but they seem like good people who got hit by the recession. | 21:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes, but I would never expect to get the money back. | 21:26 |
| +perlDreamer | That way, if it did come back, I would be happy to see it, rather than worried about it leaving. | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | and I would set a limit on how many months I could cover | 21:27 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Well that's roughly the same answer I've gotten from a long line of people I trust, so I guess it is time to throw some bread on the water. | 21:29 |
| @preaction | uh... how responsible have they been? why are they in this house? | 21:29 |
| +perlmonkey2 | preaction: well they borrowed through the gills, but they used to make serious money. | 21:30 |
| @preaction | i'd say no, but i'm already doing the exact same thing :p (supporting people who can't pay rent) | 21:30 |
| @preaction | ah, and the gov't can't help? | 21:30 |
| +perlmonkey2 | lots of vehicular toys, new truck and refied on the house. | 21:31 |
| +perlmonkey2 | they can't make the minimum payment to get the .gov refi. | 21:31 |
| @preaction | and they haven't sold any of that yet? | 21:31 |
| @preaction | i was meaning more like welfare | 21:31 |
| @preaction | if their toys and new truck are not for sale right now, they clearly are not that desperate | 21:31 |
| +perlmonkey2 | preaction: oh, he hasn't been without a job, just a line of jobs that didn't pan out like they should have. | 21:32 |
| @preaction | but perhaps you could buy those toys from him, and keep them to be bought back at the same price should he get the money? | 21:32 |
| @preaction | the point being, if you give it to him, it's gone. but if you buy something with it you might get it back | 21:32 |
| @preaction | or at least you'll have something you can try to recoup with | 21:32 |
| dionak | good point | 21:32 |
| elnino | I second that. | 21:32 |
| elnino | Hi diona! | 21:33 |
| +perlmonkey2 | preaction: he offered to park one of the outrageously expensive toys in my garage. But I don't want it cluttering up my garage. | 21:33 |
| dionak | hi elnino! | 21:33 |
| @preaction | park? no, that's not purchased. but then i'm exceedingly untrusting when it comes to money | 21:33 |
| dionak | if they haven't put anything up for sale but are hitting up friends & neighbors for money, that's a red flag that they aren't that good with finance | 21:33 |
| +perlmonkey2 | they can't get what they owe on the toys. | 21:34 |
| @preaction | oh god they bought them on credit even? | 21:34 |
| +perlmonkey2 | the new truck is also probably upside down as new vehicles always are. | 21:34 |
| dionak | sounds like serious trouble | 21:35 |
| +perlmonkey2 | with the housing price contraction they can't get anything out of their house even if they could make the payments. So I'm not sure they have many options. | 21:35 |
| @preaction | sounds like debt consolidation time | 21:35 |
| @preaction | i'm not saying i'm unmoved by true plight, but are their kids fed? | 21:36 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I like perlDreamer's plan. Otherwise worrying about their finances and why they are in this situation will give me an ulcer. | 21:36 |
| @preaction | or are they eating still? | 21:36 |
| elnino | you can always write up legal doc and provide a loan with terms - something that can be held up in court. | 21:36 |
| @preaction | good lord why? they dug this grave, let them lie in it | 21:36 |
| +perlmonkey2 | preaction: yeah, they are up to date on their utilities and have been eating on the cheap for a while, but have food. | 21:36 |
| elnino | a cooked meal or two are always welcome. | 21:37 |
| @preaction | "on the cheap" means what? | 21:37 |
| @preaction | if it means McDonalds i'll punch them | 21:37 |
| +perlmonkey2 | preaction: I don't think they ate out when they were living large. | 21:37 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | He's the guy who follows you around turning off lights and setting the thermo 10 degrees beyond comfortable, but *has* to have the new chrome wheels for his scooter. | 21:38 |
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| @preaction | he has a scooter too? | 21:39 |
| @preaction | and a new truck | 21:39 |
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| @preaction | i'm just saying that if you do this, they won't learn jack shit | 21:39 |
| +perlmonkey2 | preaction: yeah, obviously he was like most americans and buys on credit. | 21:39 |
| @preaction | but if you let them suffer a bit, they might learn something (might, just might) | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | they might also lose their home and spend the rest of their lives trying to recover from it | 21:40 |
| @preaction | i would venture that selling a bunch of that stuff could get rid of at least one of those loans | 21:40 |
| +perlmonkey2 | preaction: like lose their house, bikes and truck, and take a short stay in hud housing? | 21:40 |
| @preaction | why not? that's why we have it, so that people who just didn't learn how to exist don't have to be homeless, the lucky ducks | 21:41 |
| +perlmonkey2 | preaction: they just found new jobs and think they can swing a repayment soon. | 21:41 |
| +perlmonkey2 | It's a lot of cheese, but 20 years from now it won't be. | 21:41 |
| @preaction | as said, i'm not unsympathetic, but if they expect they can maintain their old lifestyle AND beg for money then I personally would not help them with it | 21:42 |
| +perlmonkey2 | yet I'll still have to live with being an arsehole. | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: there's nothing wrong with saying no | 21:42 |
| dionak | you're going to be one sometimes anyway | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | so don't do it for that reason | 21:42 |
| * elnino thinks following a coversation between three people who start with "p" is hard | 21:42 | |
| @preaction | i've found it's easier to live with being an asshole than live with being a sucker | 21:42 |
| @preaction | i still have nightmares of how horribly my trust has been abused, and it's been 7 years | 21:43 |
| @preaction | oh, are there kids involved? | 21:44 |
| elnino | write up a legal IOU, or buy one of the toys. | 21:44 |
| +perlmonkey2 | preaction: bro-in-law + kid are living with them and dependent on them. | 21:44 |
| elnino | wow. | 21:44 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I just have trouble getting around the bank not working with them when they only need a 9 day extension. | 21:46 |
| +perlDreamer | "Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong. " | 21:46 |
| +SynQ | hmm | 21:46 |
| @preaction | probably because this is not the first extention | 21:46 |
| +SynQ | the bank is not working with me either | 21:46 |
| * perlDreamer goes running | 21:47 | |
| +perlmonkey2 | preaction: I think there have been many. | 21:47 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hasta perlDreamer thanks for the advice. | 21:47 |
| +SynQ | perlDreamer: lend me 200K euro will you? | 21:47 |
| +SynQ | :P | 21:47 |
| +perlmonkey2 | SynQ: will you gladly pay me Tuesday for a hamburger today? | 21:47 |
| +SynQ | uh | 21:48 |
| * perlDreamer doesn't even have $200K , let alone EU 200K. | 21:48 | |
| +SynQ | perlmonkey2: no need for that | 21:48 |
| @preaction | i'm not even sure my net worth is 200K US :p | 21:48 |
| +SynQ | hehe | 21:48 |
| +SynQ | I want to expand my company | 21:48 |
| +perlmonkey2 | My net worth is two bottle caps and a ball of lint. | 21:48 |
| +SynQ | and I cannot get a loan anywhere | 21:49 |
| +SynQ | just because some government needed to provide everyone, even total bumms with a house they couldn't pay for | 21:49 |
| * SynQ loves to oversimplify | 21:49 | |
| @preaction | right? | 21:49 |
| @preaction | i prefer to oversimplify the other way: greed is not good | 21:50 |
| @preaction | people wanted houses, politicians wanted re-election, bankers wanted loan interest | 21:50 |
| +SynQ | it's not so much loan interest | 21:51 |
| +SynQ | it's the dealing in loans | 21:51 |
| +SynQ | but anyway | 21:51 |
| +SynQ | I am now banking with a state owned bank | 21:51 |
| +SynQ | that doesn't want to loan me money | 21:51 |
| +SynQ | and since they won't no other bank wants to | 21:52 |
| +SynQ | sure there are government plans for helping companies to loan money | 21:52 |
| +perlmonkey2 | It was a failure of abstraction. mortgage securities were considered safe if a FICA of 632 was scored. But 631 was a no go. Completely relying upon this simplification of the FICA and banks not investigating anything else. But there is probably zero difference between someone with 632 and 631. | 21:52 |
| +SynQ | but then you'll have to loan at least 1,5billion euro's and they'll vouch for 50% of that | 21:52 |
| +SynQ | if I can find someone who will vouch for the other 50% I don't need that government support | 21:53 |
| +SynQ | but hey | 21:53 |
| +SynQ | I gotta go to bed now | 21:53 |
| +SynQ | both Tessa and Emma are having a (the?) flue | 21:54 |
| @preaction | wow, it's like flu weekend | 21:54 |
| +SynQ | is it/ | 21:54 |
| +SynQ | ? | 21:54 |
| @preaction | we've got a few staff out today for the same reason | 21:54 |
| +SynQ | catch you later | 21:58 |
| +SynQ | ~ | 21:58 |
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| @khenn | anyone seen patspam today? | 22:14 |
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| dionak | how do i get webgui to run the upgrade again? trying to go from 7.6.25 to 7.7.20. i've successfully installed 7.7.20 but the upgrade script thinks it's done. webguiVersion table values still report 7.6.25 | 22:46 |
| dionak | i also ran testEnvironment.pl and upgraded all the modules | 22:47 |
| @Haarg | you have to upgrade to 7.6.35 before upgrading to 7.7.19+ | 22:48 |
| dionak | oh | 22:49 |
| dionak | so how do i rollback? | 22:49 |
| @Haarg | well, if you delete the docs/upgrades directory and extract the 7.6.35 tarball you should be ok to run that upgrade | 22:50 |
| dionak | ok, i've give that a shot. thanks | 22:50 |
| dionak | DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table 'AdSku' already exists | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | khenn: you're about 3 hours too early for patspam | 23:00 |
| dionak | at least i'm making progress | 23:00 |
| @khenn | ah ok | 23:00 |
| @khenn | I'll hit him up in a few hrs. Thanks perlDreamer | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll send him your way if I see him | 23:00 |
| @Haarg | that makes it sound like some of the upgrades already ran | 23:00 |
| dionak | hm.. | 23:01 |
| dionak | yes, it does | 23:02 |
| dionak | thanks, Haarg. I'll have to come back to this later | 23:02 |
| @Haarg | it would be easiest if you had a backup to restore from. | 23:02 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9a8b6d2 / (5 files in 5 dirs): | 23:42 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Fix EMS Schdedule template bugs. Fixes bug #10988. | 23:42 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Give the EMS Schdule template its own namespace. In the db, | 23:42 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: remove usage of EMS template and EMS Schedule templates in the | 23:42 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: wrong places. - http://bit.ly/PP6v5 | 23:42 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb8413a6 / (5 files in 5 dirs): | 23:42 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Fix EMS Schdedule template bugs. Fixes bug #10988. | 23:42 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Give the EMS Schdule template its own namespace. In the db, | 23:42 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: remove usage of EMS template and EMS Schedule templates in the | 23:42 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: wrong places. - http://bit.ly/9iy9B | 23:42 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: JT Smith memcached * r1fe612e / lib/WebGUI/Session/Scratch.pm : converted scratch to hot session - http://bit.ly/e4mhQ | 01:39 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: JT Smith memcached * r26c3bda / (7 files in 6 dirs): added hot sessions - http://bit.ly/caeOI | 01:39 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: JT Smith memcached * rd16a220 / (4 files in 3 dirs): bug fixes - http://bit.ly/1Wmdl0 | 01:39 |
| @rizen | i can't tell if it's just cuz i want it to be faster or not | 01:42 |
| @rizen | but the UI *feels* faster after implementing the new cache system + hot sessions | 01:43 |
| @rizen | it is measurably faster as well...it's just that it seems like the amount that it's measurably faster shouldn't probably be something i can perceive on the small test site that comes with webgui | 01:43 |
| +perlDreamer | it's because you're writing code again | 01:44 |
| @rizen | are you saying that because i'm writing code again my perception has been enhanced? | 01:46 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r1f2addb / (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: DataForm allows edits when locked by another version tag - http://bit.ly/zhh49 | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:51 |
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| +drBackport | patspam! | 01:53 |
| +drBackport | khenn (aka Frank Dillon) was looking for you earlier today. | 01:54 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc8b17b3 / docs/gotcha.txt : Fix a spelling error. - http://bit.ly/6ls8I | 02:04 |
| CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * raad5f55 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm): Fix a Shop bug dealing with shippers that are no longer available. Fixes bug #11001. - http://bit.ly/ox1R | 02:04 |
| @preaction | What If... each view in an asset (www_view www_edit www_list www_viewMonth www_viewWeek) had its own URL? | 02:08 |
| @preaction | what if, also, a view could be associated with only one HTTP method? | 02:09 |
| @preaction | and what if this same table also defined templateId and groupId for permissions | 02:09 |
| +drBackport | I don't understand the part about the HTTP method | 02:10 |
| @preaction | GET /url HTTP/1.1 | 02:10 |
| @preaction | or POST /url HTTP/1.1 | 02:10 |
| @preaction | two different actions, really | 02:10 |
| +drBackport | sure | 02:10 |
| @preaction | so POST to /url/edit = www_editSave, bug GET /url/edit is www_edit | 02:11 |
| @preaction | but more importantly: PROPFIND (a DAV extention) is now supported out-of-the-box | 02:11 |
| @preaction | PUT, etc... | 02:11 |
| +drBackport | it would be a big table | 02:11 |
| +drBackport | URLs per asset * number of assets | 02:11 |
| @preaction | yes | 02:11 |
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| @preaction | this could also fix the shortcut issue where children of shortcuts are at a different URL (the shortcut copies the entire view tree underneath the asset) | 02:12 |
| @preaction | what does this get us? a REST-ful interface to internal parts of Assets, something that most other popular web frameworks have but we lack | 02:15 |
| @preaction | in other words, not all things that have URLs are actual assets, but an asset will handle the URL | 02:15 |
| @preaction | so /blog/2009 will map to WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Blog www_viewByDate and show the year 2009 | 02:16 |
| @Haarg | how would those mappings actually be controlled? | 02:16 |
| @preaction | adding an asset with a url of ASSET_URL would add the views defined in the asset. in the case of blog: ASSET_URL -> blog.www_view, ASSET_URL/2009 -> blog.www_viewYear, ASSET_URL/2009/09 -> blog.www_viewMonth etc... | 02:18 |
| @Haarg | and when you change the URL? | 02:19 |
| @preaction | the views get updated, of course | 02:19 |
| @preaction | also, by storing the groupId and templateId we can make things easier for the developer. by the time the code reaches their www_ routine, we know if the user is allowed to view their page and a template is loaded and ready | 02:21 |
| @preaction | this also means less asset configuration, less in the definition, less code, less muss, less fuss | 02:21 |
| @Haarg | currently assets don't have templates | 02:22 |
| @preaction | just by having a view defined you have a permission and a template in the asset edit screen | 02:22 |
| @preaction | we'd make it possible to eschew a template, but by default there would be one (the opposite of now) | 02:23 |
| @Haarg | and group isn't enough for that, you need 2 groups + owner | 02:23 |
| @Haarg | how would it handle versioning? | 02:23 |
| @preaction | view and edit are different pages with different groupIds | 02:23 |
| @Haarg | but if you can edit, you can view | 02:23 |
| @Haarg | so unless you are going to autogenerate groups you need to have both | 02:23 |
| @Haarg | really though, there's no reason to have those in a url->asset table | 02:24 |
| @Haarg | once you find the asset you can get whatever other information you need | 02:24 |
| @preaction | but by making WebGUI more aware of these things, I can write less code | 02:24 |
| @preaction | and make fewer mistakes | 02:24 |
| @Haarg | so? | 02:25 |
| @Haarg | why does that require the information be stored in that table? | 02:25 |
| @Haarg | it can be just as automatic if stored elsewhere | 02:25 |
| @Haarg | url history gets a but funny for that as well | 02:26 |
| @Haarg | and when you have ASSET_URL/2009/09 listed, is the asset going to have to parse that information out? | 02:26 |
| @preaction | url history is a bit funny to begin with | 02:26 |
| @preaction | possibly, or possibly there's a way to have it done for you | 02:26 |
| @Haarg | seems problematic | 02:29 |
| @Haarg | if you combine it with url history at least | 02:29 |
| @preaction | in an ideal world, it would be a regular expression and would take 0 time to run through | 02:29 |
| @Haarg | seems like you would have to store the parameters separately | 02:30 |
| @preaction | personally i like the idea in WebGUI 8 of not allowing URLs to be versioned, or putting the versioned thing to the side for those | 02:30 |
| @Haarg | versioned urls i don't think we need | 02:30 |
| @Haarg | but having a way to have old URLs refer to assets is valuable | 02:30 |
| @Haarg | unless you want to auto-create redirects | 02:31 |
| @preaction | yeah, that'd be worse probably | 02:31 |
| @preaction | but this solution, like other URL solutions proposed, would allow a map of more than one URL to a single asset | 02:31 |
| @Haarg | but then you need a way for the user to control that | 02:32 |
| @Haarg | and if you have /old/2009/09 and /new/2009/09 pointing to the same asset, it has to be able to get the 2009/09 part without knowing what the url root is | 02:33 |
| @Haarg | also, i think if we have a facility for this it should be able to work for non-assets | 02:33 |
| @preaction | it will know what the url root is, but i see your point | 02:33 |
| @Haarg | how would it know? | 02:34 |
| @preaction | assetData still has the URL, which is the root URL of the asset | 02:34 |
| @Haarg | except /old/ doesn't use that root | 02:34 |
| @preaction | right | 02:34 |
| @preaction | worse, another feature i thought of (being able to arbitrarily assign URLs to a view) won't work if the view parses out the URL | 02:35 |
| @preaction | so certain views could define a "regex_parser" to parse out bits of it and those views are speshul | 02:35 |
| +drBackport | what diff format is this? http://www.webgui.org/uploads/48/e5/48e55a21b58ead0eb43316cf1945b485/WebGUI_AssetVersioning-addRevision-child-to-uncommitted-parent.patch | 02:36 |
| @Haarg | bad | 02:36 |
| @Haarg | i think it would have to store the extra data it wanted to have for that view in a separate column | 02:37 |
| @Haarg | so you would have URL/2009/09, assetId, viewByDate, 2009/09 | 02:37 |
| @preaction | or a json hash perhaps? | 02:38 |
| @Haarg | whatever the case may be | 02:38 |
| @Haarg | instead of registering different verbs, what if it dispatched to POST_edit etc automatically | 02:40 |
| @preaction | because i wanted it to be very obvious where it's going, and to allow URL/(/d+)/(/d+)/(/d+) | 02:41 |
| @preaction | i mean, in the database those fields have to be filled in (unless anyone knows of a very fast way to match a request to an asset when the URL needs to match regex) | 02:41 |
| @Haarg | i understand the first part but don't quite get how the second relates | 02:42 |
| @preaction | it would go to GET_2009_09_09, which doesn't exist | 02:43 |
| @Haarg | what i mean is, you would list viewByDate and it would call POST_viewByDate if it existed and the rest of the parsing stuff would be the same | 02:44 |
| @preaction | so the HTTP method part would just be done automatically? | 02:47 |
| @Haarg | yes | 02:47 |
| @preaction | defaulting to GET_viewByDate or something? | 02:47 |
| @Haarg | well, probably www_ for back-compat | 02:47 |
| @Haarg | and www_ would have to be a fallback anyway | 02:48 |
| @preaction | right | 02:48 |
| @Haarg | so i guess GET_ would work fine | 02:48 |
| @preaction | i guess i just don't like having method names be dictated, even if it does seperate which methods are web-facing. i'd prefer sub attributes even | 02:52 |
| @Haarg | seems like there will have to be a lot of code to maintain all of this in a working state so eliminating one part in a non-limiting and expected way would be good | 02:54 |
| @preaction | okay, i'm convinced. but it's a suffix, not a prefix: so view and view_POST are two different subs, but can have the same URL | 02:58 |
| @Haarg | hrm | 02:59 |
| @Haarg | i think having the hard limit between web accessible methods and not is a good idea in general | 02:59 |
| @preaction | if that's the case, then we can keep www_ on there too | 03:00 |
| @preaction | i also like that www_ puts them at the end of the module alphabetically (for the most part) | 03:00 |
| @Haarg | heh | 03:00 |
| @Haarg | i hate the alphabetical thing in general | 03:00 |
| @preaction | i break it only in one case: definition always comes first (or in other cases, constructors always come first) | 03:01 |
| @preaction | but now in places where it doesn't get used, i have trouble parsing the docs for the method i want | 03:01 |
| @preaction | i want an update method! okay, where is it? oh, it's between replace and add! who'dathunks? | 03:02 |
| @preaction | DBIx::Class being the current thorn in my side for this one | 03:02 |
| @Haarg | for docs or for methods? because if there's ever a method i want i just search for it | 03:03 |
| @preaction | for docs | 03:03 |
| @preaction | when reading POD on CPAN really | 03:03 |
| @Haarg | i have a much easier time with documentation organized by relation than alphabetically | 03:04 |
| @Haarg | inline pod annoys me as well though | 03:04 |
| @preaction | i agree that being introduced to new concepts is better if it's a story, but that's what ::Tutorial or ::Intro is for | 03:05 |
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| @Haarg | but once you know what it provides you can search for it | 03:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam: I made a blog post over the weekend, but it isn't showing up in Planet WebGUI | 03:47 |
| +perlDreamer | have I been blackballed? | 03:47 |
| * perlDreamer runs some errands | 04:01 | |
| @khenn | hey patspam | 04:52 |
| @khenn | I sent you an email earlier | 04:52 |
| @khenn | did you get that? | 04:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino: ping | 05:01 |
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| elnino | hi | 05:14 |
| elnino | hi perlDreamer | 05:14 |
| +perlDreamer | do you have time to answer some bug questions, about the mystery of the disappearing admin bar? | 05:14 |
| elnino | sure | 05:14 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, please log into the affected site, and make the admin bar disappear in the admin console | 05:15 |
| elnino | just a sec, both of us are using the computer =) | 05:16 |
| +perlDreamer | "All tests successful" -> what a beautiful phrase | 05:17 |
| @preaction | perlbot all tests successful | 05:17 |
| elnino | k i'm there. | 05:17 |
| elnino | and the admin bar isn't. | 05:17 |
| @preaction | perlbot all tests successful is Hmm... time to write more tests | 05:17 |
| perlbot | added all tests successful to the database | 05:17 |
| +perlDreamer | now, view the source of that page. Is that admin bar code there and not rendering? | 05:17 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: we always write successful tests | 05:18 |
| +perlDreamer | :) | 05:18 |
| elnino | no. I searched for "new content" | 05:19 |
| elnino | case insensitive | 05:19 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, can you package up the admin console template for me? | 05:20 |
| +perlDreamer | the URL is admin_console | 05:20 |
| elnino | well. maybe we're talking about different things... The CONSOLE is there... But when in asset manager, the admin bar isn't, even though the right nav indicates it should be. | 05:21 |
| +perlDreamer | right nav? | 05:21 |
| elnino | console = the choices with big icons. admin bar = left navigation with adminconsole, clipboard, and new content. | 05:21 |
| elnino | yes, | 05:21 |
| elnino | the right navigation that has "turn admin off", "back to site" | 05:22 |
| elnino | etc. | 05:22 |
| elnino | this is all in asset manager | 05:22 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 05:22 |
| +perlDreamer | but there's no admin bar on the left | 05:22 |
| +perlDreamer | and I don't suppose that there's anything interesting in the log file for that site? | 05:23 |
| +perlDreamer | like a missing template, or asset that can't be built? | 05:23 |
| elnino | hmm. just a sec, I'm pretty sure there isn't. which log file? webgui.log? | 05:24 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 05:24 |
| elnino | I haven't seen this, but it's not related to this: WebGUI::Asset::www_editSave[2722] - Cleared isLockedBy | 05:29 |
| elnino | so, no. no missing templates | 05:29 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like some debug out that was left in there. | 05:30 |
| elnino | you know I'm on 7.6.35, right? | 05:30 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 05:30 |
| * elnino making package. | 05:30 | |
| +perlDreamer | I suspect that your latest upgrade didn't go so well | 05:30 |
| elnino | how do I get this to you? | 05:31 |
| +perlDreamer | attach it to the bug, please | 05:31 |
| elnino | it wentgreat. | 05:31 |
| +perlDreamer | could I also see root/import/adminconsole/admin_console2? | 05:31 |
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| elnino | I don't see root/import/adminconsole/admin_console2 | 05:36 |
| +perlDreamer | my bad. How about Root -> Import Node -> Admin Console -> Admin Console ? | 05:37 |
| +perlDreamer | the bare url is just admin_console2 | 05:37 |
| elnino | k , they are there. | 05:39 |
| +perlDreamer | In Settings, what is the name of the Admin Console template that you are using? | 05:39 |
| elnino | I have the output from the upgrade. inrterested? or is thtere something I should look for? | 05:41 |
| +perlDreamer | admin_console2 is the wrong template | 05:41 |
| +perlDreamer | it's missing the code to display the admin bar | 05:41 |
| elnino | "admin console" | 05:42 |
| elnino | the other choice is "help" | 05:42 |
| +perlDreamer | admin console is the right one to use | 05:45 |
| +perlDreamer | for some reason, during the upgrade, the admin console template was not updated | 05:45 |
| @preaction | yeah, that happened the first time. probably my bad | 05:45 |
| +perlDreamer | what happened the first time? she's running 7.6.35 | 05:46 |
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| @preaction | i don't remember, it was back in 17 or whatever | 05:48 |
| @preaction | when that bug with IE6 and the Admin Bar in the asset manager was fixed | 05:48 |
| elnino | there is nothing in the recent upgrade output file, but | 05:49 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, could you paste me the list of asset revisionDates for that template, admin_console2? | 05:49 |
| elnino | In the upgrade before that, I went from 7.5.40, to | 05:49 |
| +perlDreamer | select revisionDate from template where assetId='PBtmpl0000000000000001'; | 05:50 |
| elnino | 7.6.27. | 05:50 |
| elnino | and in that upgrade, the adinbare template was deleted | 05:50 |
| elnino | 1236787921 | 05:51 |
| elnino | 1240030025 | 05:51 |
| elnino | 1254191911 | 05:51 |
| elnino | <eom> | 05:52 |
| +perlDreamer | yup, definitely the wrong revision date | 05:53 |
| +perlDreamer | 1254 is when you made the template a package | 05:53 |
| +perlDreamer | but instead of 124003, it should be ... | 05:53 |
| +perlDreamer | 123678 | 05:54 |
| elnino | the previous one | 05:54 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 05:54 |
| +perlDreamer | the 1240 one is blocking that | 05:54 |
| elnino | so I have an extra revision? | 05:54 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 05:55 |
| elnino | I'll delete it | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | you'll need to delete both of them | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | 1254, and 1240 | 05:55 |
| elnino | sure | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | but it would worth knowing how the 1240 came about... | 05:55 |
| elnino | I'll look | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | have you tried the nifty new asset history browser? | 05:55 |
| * perlDreamer has to get kids to bed. back in 30 | 05:56 | |
| * elnino hangs head low | 06:01 | |
| * elnino clears throat | 06:02 | |
| elnino | it was me | 06:02 |
| elnino | I don't think so, I use thin right nav. where is this nifty new browser? | 06:09 |
| * elnino fixes 15 site's admin template. grr | 06:09 | |
| +perlDreamer | crud, it's in 7.7 | 06:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I keep forgetting | 06:44 |
| +perlDreamer | the Asset History browser is in 7.7 | 06:44 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, once you rollback to the right version, let me know if that fixes it | 06:45 |
| +perlDreamer | however, as far as I'm concerned, that's the final nail in the coffin for using packages for templates | 06:45 |
| +perlDreamer | it's unreliable and unsafe | 06:45 |
| elnino | perlDreamer - works beautifully. I have no idea what I was doing editing that. | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | no worries. All that matters is that you're back up to speed. | 07:01 |
| +perlDreamer | May I close the bug? | 07:01 |
| elnino | yes please. | 07:01 |
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| +bartjol | ok, anyone had problems with corrupt lineage (in this case, the lineage of 1 asset is for instance: sNEYTS) | 12:32 |
| @preaction | yes | 12:34 |
| @preaction | run sbin/rebuildLineage.pl | 12:34 |
| @preaction | that problem happens when a cut/paste takes too long on older versions of WebGUI (pre 7.6.34 i believe) | 12:35 |
| +bartjol | ah | 12:36 |
| +bartjol | ok, but it is current stable now | 12:36 |
| +bartjol | so I'll run it | 12:36 |
| @preaction | oh, humph | 12:37 |
| @preaction | dunno then | 12:37 |
| +bartjol | well, it does seem to have fix it | 12:38 |
| +bartjol | ah, well, it could be that it was corrupted before, not fixed during upgrade and just now someone took a look at it | 12:40 |
| +bartjol | we just updated it 1.5 week ago | 12:40 |
| @preaction | possible, i know the last time i saw the problem it had taken a month or so to detect | 12:40 |
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| +bartjol | well, this is less | 12:41 |
| +bartjol | I don't do a daily query select * from asset where lineage not like "0000%"; | 12:42 |
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| carogray | Does version 7.7.20 act at all weird in Firefox when editing? | 13:33 |
| carogray | I have been having a lot of problems lately editing | 13:33 |
| carogray | it almost seems as though Firefox is freezing - I have to wait to type a character, it's reluctant to copy and paste etc. | 13:33 |
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| +bartjol | carogray: what ff version do you have? | 13:45 |
| +bartjol | I have some problems with that | 13:45 |
| +bartjol | check you mem use of ff | 13:45 |
| +bartjol | especially when you use tabbed browsing a lot | 13:45 |
| +bartjol | in .5.3 it is less than 3.0.x | 13:47 |
| carogray | bartjol: FF 3.0.14 | 14:24 |
| carogray | so newer version exists, eh? | 14:24 |
| carogray | will try to upgrade | 14:24 |
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| carogray | your suggestion is to use fewer tabs as well? | 14:25 |
| +bartjol | with other words, I didn't have the problem | 14:25 |
| +bartjol | ah, 3.0 is terrible | 14:25 |
| +bartjol | it used 500 mb of memory | 14:25 |
| carogray | oh good I thought it was me or my machine - driving me crazy yesterday | 14:25 |
| +bartjol | ah | 14:40 |
| +bartjol | well, check it first | 14:40 |
| +bartjol | but a lot of tabs is bad in 3.0.x | 14:40 |
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| +bartjol | carogray: did you check you mem usage? | 14:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | boy, you guys are awfully picky about template text | 16:24 |
| +bartjol | Yo dudely! | 16:28 |
| +perlDreamer | Eat butter first, and eat it last, and live till a hundred years be past | 16:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll use that one instead | 16:29 |
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| +bartjol | A beer a day keeps the doctor away? | 16:29 |
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| +bartjol | perlDreamer: I d rather see something with eggs | 16:35 |
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| SquOnk | Hello | 16:35 |
| +perlDreamer | http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4SvGzxWcdsU/Sm-lzihGHwI/AAAAAAAAAKk/ckxuEiQazUw/s320/deviled-eggs-su-1010528-l.jpg&imgrefurl=http://cassandraforsythe.blogspot.com/2009/07/pregnancy-two-eggs-day-will-keep-ntds.html&usg=__-tlk5aytKKm5XFMNXmyovpO30x0=&h=300&w=300&sz=18&hl=en&start=18&tbnid=-GlVNoMTLqUB6M:&tbnh=116&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Deggs%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den | 16:35 |
| +perlDreamer | Morning, SquOnk! | 16:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Congrats on 100% for the Spanish translation | 16:36 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Thanks | 16:36 |
| +perlDreamer | you are now a member of one of the most exclusive clubs in the world. | 16:36 |
| SquOnk | lol | 16:36 |
| +perlDreamer | bartjol, since it's breakfast time here, I'd rather _eat_ something with eggs. | 16:37 |
| SquOnk | May I suggest a typical venezuelan breakfast... | 16:38 |
| SquOnk | ...scrambled eggs with onions and tomato. | 16:38 |
| SquOnk | We gave that simple dish a funny name: Perico (literally "parrot") | 16:40 |
| SquOnk | Some people add green bell peppers to it, so the yellow, red and green resemble a parrot's colors. | 16:40 |
| +bartjol | perlDreamer: and my egg reference was also with eating, only a particular meal preparation | 16:40 |
| +bartjol | and SquOnk welcome to our group, I think we should have a weekly lunch together, payed by pb | 16:41 |
| * SquOnk remembers the uitsmijters | 16:41 | |
| +bartjol | oeh, uitsmijters | 16:41 |
| SquOnk | Met oude kaas! | 16:42 |
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| +bartjol | en spek | 16:44 |
| Terminus- | evening. =) | 16:44 |
| SquOnk | Terminus-: For the morning value of evening in my case ;-) | 16:44 |
| +bartjol | oh yeah, still have to submit the timezone elimination rfe | 16:45 |
| Terminus- | hehe | 16:46 |
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| SquOnk | How can I get _only_ the 7.7 branch from the GIT repo? | 17:16 |
| @Haarg | you can't | 17:16 |
| @Haarg | well, it is probably possible, but i don't remember how and there is really no reason to | 17:17 |
| SquOnk | Ok, how can I get _only_ the 7.7 branch from $VCS? | 17:17 |
| @Haarg | just clone the git repo and check out the 7.7 branch | 17:17 |
| SquOnk | All right, the first step I've already done | 17:18 |
| SquOnk | Let me see how to do the second step... | 17:18 |
| @Haarg | git checkout -b webgui-7.7 origin/webgui-7.7 | 17:18 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, any 1 install of WebGUI is ~170 Mb | 17:19 |
| @Haarg | (there is a shorter version of that command but it only works on recent versions of git) | 17:19 |
| +perlDreamer | but the entire git repo is about 90, with all 5 branches and years of history all the way back to rev 1 | 17:19 |
| SquOnk | Ah, seems I did not clone the Git repository that wel. | 17:20 |
| @Haarg | http://www.webgui.org/develop/wiki/git | 17:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I'm massively pissed at packages right now. | 17:20 |
| @Haarg | if there is anything in that page that needs clarifying, let me know. it's still rather rough. | 17:20 |
| @Haarg | what part of packages? | 17:21 |
| * perlDreamer is thinking of doing that long held off package work today | 17:21 | |
| +perlDreamer | 1) packages will import where they came from | 17:21 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) packages will import and overwrite the latest version | 17:21 |
| +perlDreamer | both of those limited to upgrade behavior only | 17:21 |
| @Haarg | yeah, i think that would be good | 17:22 |
| +perlDreamer | between the 7.7 upgrade, and elnino's bug I have 10 hours spent fixing upgrade packages that should never have happened | 17:22 |
| SquOnk | I don't have contributor access, have I? | 17:33 |
| SquOnk | (My github user is SquOnk) | 17:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I think for git you had to request it again | 17:34 |
| +perlDreamer | if you need something committed now, you can paste or email me a patch | 17:34 |
| +perlDreamer | but don't forget, we're back to two branches right now, so consider 2 patches | 17:34 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: No, I just want to have a copy of the repo for my Debian packaging purposes. | 17:34 |
| +perlDreamer | and, all new patches have to come with tests | 17:34 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, that's much easier then | 17:35 |
| @Haarg | did you have commit access to svn? | 17:35 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: Yes | 17:35 |
| @Haarg | ok, added you as a contributor on github | 17:35 |
| SquOnk | Good, I'm thru | 17:37 |
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| SquOnk | Ok, I'm cloning the whole thing as contributor. The page has worked fine. | 17:39 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: I would add a note stating that to make life easier one must have RSA/DSA SSH keys added. | 17:39 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: Not how to do it, but "please RTFM and do it" | 17:39 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 17:40 |
| @Haarg | github has some guide pages about that so i can just link to that | 17:40 |
| +perlDreamer | they've also talked about making a script to automate the client-side setup | 17:40 |
| @rizen | Ok, work can begin. I'm here now. | 17:41 |
| +perlDreamer | phew | 17:41 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, do some backlogging before my latest package induced tizzy fit gets me in trouble | 17:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll check back after I drop the kids off at school | 17:42 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: I'm going to murther you either way, so it really doesn't matter =) | 17:44 |
| +perlDreamer | if thou slays me, forever wilt thou be beset by Shop bugs | 17:44 |
| @rizen | did you just curse me? | 17:47 |
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| +cap10morgan | Is the collaboration system going away in WebGUI 8? | 17:50 |
| @rizen | no | 17:50 |
| @rizen | it will still be there | 17:50 |
| @rizen | but be deprecated | 17:50 |
| @rizen | in favor of other things | 17:51 |
| @Haarg | we're just going to be secretly cursing anyone who still uses it | 17:51 |
| @rizen | and it has nothing really to do with webgui 8 | 17:51 |
| +cap10morgan | ok, gotcha | 17:51 |
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| +cap10morgan | Haarg: haha | 17:51 |
| @rizen | it's really just as soon as we get the replacements built for it | 17:51 |
| +cap10morgan | right | 17:51 |
| @rizen | which could be webgui 7.8, 7.9, 8.1, etc | 17:51 |
| +cap10morgan | we use it for way too many things (basically as a content posting workflow simplifier) | 17:52 |
| +cap10morgan | so i was just curious | 17:52 |
| @rizen | tht's what we realized, which is why we have decided not to get rid of it | 17:52 |
| @rizen | lots of people do exactly what you do | 17:52 |
| +cap10morgan | yeah, i figured | 17:52 |
| +cap10morgan | ok, good to know, thanks guys | 17:53 |
| @rizen | Haarg is wrong btw | 17:53 |
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| @rizen | We're going to have a collaboration system stockades | 17:54 |
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| @rizen | where we lock you in and throw tomatoes at your face | 17:54 |
| @rizen | until you give up on the CS | 17:54 |
| @rizen | =) | 17:54 |
| +cap10morgan | hahaha | 17:54 |
| +cap10morgan | awesome | 17:54 |
| +cap10morgan | can we put the consultant in there who originally designed our sites to use the CS for almost everything? ;) | 17:54 |
| @rizen | indeed | 17:54 |
| +cap10morgan | excellent</mr.burns> | 17:55 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, that wasn't cursing, that was threatening | 18:00 |
| +bartjol | now now, what? with all the voilence | 18:01 |
| @rizen | It's my fault. I inspire violence in others. | 18:03 |
| +bartjol | doubting whether I give you a 132 or a 513 | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | 132? 513? | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | are those European ethical violation codes? | 18:04 |
| +bartjol | nope | 18:05 |
| +bartjol | nerds should be able to figure it out | 18:05 |
| * perlDreamer is a geek. I'm screwed. | 18:05 | |
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| ckotil | 513 is my cellphone area code | 18:07 |
| ckotil | Cincinnati, OH | 18:07 |
| +bartjol | don think beyond 1 | 18:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | they aren't HTTP status codes | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | or prime numbers | 18:08 |
| +bartjol | people who play too much with fireworks prolly would have said something else | 18:09 |
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| +bartjol | well, just created my first git clone | 18:16 |
| +bartjol | further tomorrow | 18:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, can you think of a better name than "overwriteLatest" for the package upgrade switch? | 18:29 |
| @Haarg | sounds reasonable to me | 18:29 |
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| @steveo_aa | perlDreamer, what did you experience with the patch I posted? | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | patch puked on it | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | it wants < and >, not ! | 18:35 |
| @steveo_aa | Which OS version? | 18:36 |
| @steveo_aa | ! is completely acceptable. | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Linux, fedora core 10 | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | if you want me to commit your patch, humoring me would be greatly appreciated | 18:36 |
| @steveo_aa | It works for OSX patch and Linux patch | 18:36 |
| @steveo_aa | I'm not challenging you dude. | 18:37 |
| @Haarg | just stick to unified patches | 18:37 |
| @steveo_aa | Sorry, I thought this was a unified diff. | 18:37 |
| @steveo_aa | Is the output from git diff unified enough? | 18:39 |
| @Haarg | yes | 18:39 |
| @steveo_aa | K | 18:39 |
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| @steveo_aa | I didn't know there was an issue. I'll use git diff for all future postings. | 18:41 |
| @steveo_aa | BTW, tests included. | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I did notice that. Thanks for writing those. | 18:43 |
| @steveo_aa | I found a much better way of handling DB aborts in test. | 18:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | What did you do? | 18:44 |
| @steveo_aa | I created a site called testsite. Turned of mysql, copied the mysqldata tree to a safe place. Turned on mysql, ran my tests. If I experienced my errors, I restored the previous mysql image of the testsite. | 18:45 |
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| @steveo_aa | Sort of like running around your back-hand in tennis, but when tests fail to clean up after themselves, it's the only recourse. | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | is that faster than wgd reset -d ? | 18:46 |
| @Haarg | or just using a sql script? | 18:46 |
| @steveo_aa | Each test leaves different baggage. Restoring from dump is actually quite slow incomparison. | 18:47 |
| @steveo_aa | Haven't tried wgd reset -d, but if it does dump/restore through the mysql interface, my process wins hands down. | 18:48 |
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| @steveo_aa | As long as mysql is down, it is safe to file copy the db file tree. | 18:49 |
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| @steveo_aa | I've done it thousands of times on various installations. In fact, it was how I set up a quick DB backup for a client. | 18:50 |
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| @Haarg | i've never really had a complaint about the speed of doing a db restore for testing, but i'm always testing against the default site. | 18:50 |
| @steveo_aa | Right, a production site like I work with is horrendous. over an hour to restore. Only 5 minutes to file copy. | 18:51 |
| @steveo_aa | On my local dev. | 18:51 |
| @steveo_aa | Can't do file copy willy-nilly. You have to think about the use of the DB. Master-Slave issues can be tricky. | 18:52 |
| @steveo_aa | But as a stand alone DB backup, it's great. | 18:52 |
| @steveo_aa | With a default site, the file copy is done before I complete my enter keypress. | 18:53 |
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| @steveo_aa | Anyway, that's how I worked around my test crashing issue. YMMV | 18:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | note to self, while perl is happy with revisionDate='', mysql isn't | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, how do you feel about millisecond level resolution for revisionDate in the database? | 19:16 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: MySQL not happy at weird input? That's new <g> | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, will postgreSQL behave differently, and translate '' into something numeric? | 19:17 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: If you set up a CAST, it will. If not, it will complain. | 19:17 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer i think it's a bad idea | 19:18 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: However, if you were looking for null, you should have used a placeholder | 19:18 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | Is the User object going to be reworked in 8? | 19:25 |
| +perlmonkey2 | It's functionality is quite spread out and I was hoping it would be centralized in a few User related classes. | 19:25 |
| @Haarg | some | 19:25 |
| +perlmonkey2 | cool | 19:26 |
| @Haarg | auth is going to be entirely redone | 19:26 |
| @Haarg | what parts are you referring to as spread out? | 19:26 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: i do like the idea, my main concern is the effort involved in doing it | 19:29 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: it's not as simple as just adding an extra digit to the number | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I understand. It really has little benefit aside from speeding up testing | 19:29 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Haarg: I'd have to look it up, but I seem to recall there being about 13 non-User class accesses to the User tables. | 19:30 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Haarg: when I was seeing about slapping encryption layers over user data. | 19:30 |
| @rizen | perlmonkey2: you're absolutely right, and we need to fix that | 19:30 |
| @rizen | perlmonkey2: a lot of that has to do with weaknesses in the WebGUI::User API | 19:31 |
| +perlmonkey2 | good place for a memcached access too :) | 19:31 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Which the numbers are just amazing on. | 19:32 |
| @rizen | indeed | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I remember that. Like the Inbox doing a fast lookup on usernames, and several other places. | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | technically, that's not an API change | 19:32 |
| +perlmonkey2 | if Inbox uses the User object instead of a db query? | 19:33 |
| +perlDreamer | that's right | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | no method changes | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | it would have to iterate over user objects, which it can do right now | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | If I'm right (and it is just my opinion), those changes could be made to 7.8 | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe even 7.7 | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | note, shortly I'm going to be off line. I have to take Tim to the doctor today. | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Poor guy has two plantars warts on his foot, and he's been limping around | 19:38 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, can you paste me your my.cnf file when you get a chance? | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | ... waiting on nopaste | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | App::Nopaste::Service::Gist: Error POSTing http://gist.github.com/gists: Bad Gateway at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/App/Nopaste/Service/Gist.pm line 21 | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m71f11f20 | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | bbl | 19:42 |
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| +cap10morgan | If one were asked to estimate the timeframe on which we might see a stable WebGUI 8 release, is 1 year from now a decent estimate? (w/ lots of "subject to change" warnings all around it) | 19:43 |
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| @rizen | cap10morgan: you should come to the WUC and your questions would be answered | 21:14 |
| +cap10morgan | yeah, i would have liked to, but i couldn't this year | 21:15 |
| @rizen | heh | 21:15 |
| +cap10morgan | big server migration going on | 21:15 |
| @rizen | 18 months | 21:15 |
| @rizen | aka January 2011 | 21:15 |
| +cap10morgan | oh, ok | 21:15 |
| +cap10morgan | thanks :) | 21:15 |
| @rizen | well 18 months from a while back | 21:15 |
| @rizen | there will still be a 7.8 and 7.9 release between now and then though | 21:15 |
| +cap10morgan | right, ok | 21:16 |
| @rizen | if you have features you need that aren't API breakers | 21:16 |
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| * rizen thinks cap10morgan is excited about WG8 | 21:21 | |
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| * cap10morgan thinks rizen is right | 21:22 | |
| @rizen | perlDreamer, did you see all the dead tables i've been finding | 21:42 |
| @rizen | this database conversion project is worth the effort if for no other reason than just finding all this cruft | 21:42 |
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| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r270ecb9 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Packages used in upgrades get installed regardless of revisionDate. Fixes bug #11059 - http://bit.ly/bBVqq | 21:56 |
| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra6cdea1 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Packages used in upgrades get installed regardless of revisionDate. Fixes bug #11059 - http://bit.ly/2eZmqW | 21:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | bopbop, we found a bug with upgrades, having to do with new packages in the upgrade. | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | they weren't always installed | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | now they will be | 21:59 |
| @bopbop | ok | 21:59 |
| +perlDreamer | customers may have been affected by this, but not known about it | 21:59 |
| +perlDreamer | but they will now | 21:59 |
| @bopbop | heh, alright | 21:59 |
| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r4fe15bf / (23 files): Upgrade scripts use the new API to force package installs. - http://bit.ly/Wb9T1 | 22:05 |
| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r47f976f / (23 files): Change upgrade scripts to use the new API for forcing package installs. - http://bit.ly/hXAir | 22:05 |
| * perlDreamer heads out again, to the gym | 22:06 | |
| +perlDreamer | it's going to be a choppy day | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | release will be LATE tonight, to give rizen lots of time to fix bugs | 22:06 |
| @rizen | what | 22:08 |
| @rizen | i'm not fixing bugs | 22:08 |
| * rizen is confused | 22:08 | |
| @rizen | do you need me to fix bugs? | 22:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I wouldn't turn you down | 22:09 |
| * perlDreamer is only teasing | 22:09 | |
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| wgGuest00 | I am currently looking for a cms that can be added to our current instalation in a subdirectory, can you do that with webgui? | 22:15 |
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| dionak | does anyone know what version the table template_attachments was added? | 22:28 |
| dionak | i'm upgrading from 7.6.25 to 7.6.35 and receiving an error that the table doesn't exist but i don't see the create statement in the upgrade scripts (via grep) | 22:29 |
| dionak | it appears this issue is coming from a package in the 7.6.35 upgrade. | 22:32 |
| dionak | but the table isn't created until 7.7.5 (or in the upgrade from 7.6.35 to 7.7 | 22:32 |
| @rizen | template attachments definitely wasn't added until 7.7 | 22:33 |
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| @rizen | it's possible someone backported a template | 22:34 |
| @rizen | but the other thing that occurs to me is that you might be trying to use the 7.7 codebase to upgrade a 7.6 release | 22:34 |
| @rizen | and if you are, then that's going to not work | 22:34 |
| @Haarg | when do you actually get the error? | 22:35 |
| dionak | the later is the more likely scenario | 22:35 |
| dionak | i tried an upgrade from 7.6.25 to 7.7.20 yesterday. when that failed i replaced the docs/upgrade folder with docs/upgrade from 7.6.35, dropped all the tables in the db, reimported the 7.6.25 db and ran the upgrade to 7.6.35. that's when i get the error. | 22:36 |
| dionak | it happens right at the beginning of package importing in the upgrade script | 22:37 |
| @Haarg | you need to extract the entire 7.6.35 tarball | 22:38 |
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| dionak | will do | 22:38 |
| @Haarg | the reason i mentioned docs/upgrades specifically is that you need to make sure it doesn't have any 7.7.x upgrade scripts in it | 22:38 |
| elnino | who at pb, do I ask to see if my client signed up for your hosting yet? | 22:39 |
| elnino | I have to provide you the sql and domain files to move their site over to you. | 22:40 |
| dionak | got it. it's running smoothly now | 22:41 |
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| @rizen | elnino: what is the domain name, i can see if it's created in automate | 22:45 |
| @rizen | automat | 22:45 |
| elnino | avalonrf | 22:46 |
| elnino | .com | 22:46 |
| @rizen | other than that you'll want to email vrby@plainblack.com to see if billing has been taken care of | 22:46 |
| @rizen | searching automat | 22:46 |
| @rizen | no domain like that in automat | 22:46 |
| @rizen | so i'm guessing no | 22:46 |
| elnino | hmm | 22:46 |
| elnino | k | 22:46 |
| elnino | thanks for looking. I thought he was doing it on the phone when we just talked. | 22:47 |
| @rizen | you can email vrby and see if there is a billing snaffu holding things up | 22:47 |
| elnino | will do. | 22:47 |
| @rizen | i haven't seen any hosting orders come through today | 22:47 |
| @rizen | so he didn't use the web site to purchase hosting | 22:47 |
| @rizen | elnino: I thought you were a agency hoster now? | 22:48 |
| elnino | no. I wish. I've been wishing for a long time now. | 22:48 |
| @rizen | it's a great way to make some extra cash if you've got enough sites | 22:49 |
| elnino | Do I do the billing to them when I have a hosting account with you? | 22:50 |
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| @rizen | yes | 22:50 |
| @rizen | we bill you the discounted rate | 22:50 |
| @rizen | and then you bill them whatever you like | 22:50 |
| @rizen | most of our agency hosters either do their billing through paypal or by setting up an ecommerce webgui site to do credit card transactions | 22:51 |
| elnino | sure. my brain is working quickly here. I don't think I can move 5 yet. Unless I count my own. =) | 22:52 |
| @rizen | as long as you're charging your clients more than we charge you, then you'd be getting your site hosted for free | 22:53 |
| @rizen | =) | 22:53 |
| elnino | Unfortunately, I can't raise their current rates. they are getting a steal of a deal. | 22:53 |
| @rizen | sorry to hear that. i've never understood why businesses put themselves out of business being the cheapest guy around. | 22:55 |
| @rizen | much better to provide quality than cheap | 22:56 |
| elnino | yes I agree, but I think I could make a business case with.. hmm gotta talk with her. | 23:01 |
| @tavisto | so I just got off the phone with Guru | 23:01 |
| @tavisto | which is your boy | 23:01 |
| @tavisto | and he's purchasing hosting as we speak via the web | 23:01 |
| elnino | yippee! | 23:02 |
| @tavisto | I was just going to ask you why you aren't a reseller | 23:02 |
| @tavisto | but I need to scroll up apparenty | 23:02 |
| @tavisto | apparently | 23:02 |
| @tavisto | yeah I can testify to being a wG reseller. I was making a good amount o' cash back when I was a reseller | 23:03 |
| elnino | what happened to your sites? | 23:04 |
| @tavisto | PB absorbed them | 23:05 |
| @tavisto | viciously stole them from me... evil punks | 23:05 |
| dionak | how does the story topic and story archive relate? | 23:05 |
| elnino | when they hired you? | 23:05 |
| @tavisto | actually I was glad to move them over and fade away from the reseller picture | 23:05 |
| elnino | didnt like being a debt collector? | 23:06 |
| @tavisto | yeah PB purchased them and I became a partner. Not having to chase down money is nice | 23:06 |
| @bopbop | dionak: similar to wiki and wiki article | 23:07 |
| @tavisto | although most of my clients were really good at making payment and not canceling credit cards all the time | 23:07 |
| @bopbop | story archive contains story assets | 23:07 |
| @bopbop | and story topic pulls in stories via keyword | 23:07 |
| dionak | ah, like a shelf | 23:07 |
| dionak | got it | 23:07 |
| @bopbop | yep | 23:07 |
| dionak | seems to be a reoccurring implementation (assets grouped by keyword) | 23:07 |
| @bopbop | yeah, it's handy | 23:08 |
| dionak | when i see reoccurring implementations, i think of generalization (not suggesting, just noting) | 23:10 |
| dionak | cool assets | 23:10 |
| dionak | very handy | 23:10 |
| @rizen | dionak: most of the code is generalized already in the Keyword.pm api | 23:11 |
| dionak | nice ;) | 23:11 |
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| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0bd7cd1 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix bug #11064, spelling error in subscription i18n - http://bit.ly/34FzAZ | 23:45 |
| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * raa1e751 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix bug #11064, spelling error in subscription i18n - http://bit.ly/n2wkF | 23:45 |
| * perlDreamer is beginning to understand the benefits of integrating VCS and bug trackers | 23:45 | |
| +perlDreamer | I'm already tired of documenting versions and commits | 23:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: TGC needs to stock these http://www.google.com/reader/view/#stream/feed%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fblog.makezine.com%2Findex.xml | 23:48 |
| @rizen | google reader? | 23:49 |
| @rizen | sorry dude that url doesn't work | 23:50 |
| @rizen | it just takes me to google reader | 23:50 |
| @rizen | http://blog.makezine.com/index.xml | 23:51 |
| @rizen | i now see | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/09/buy_wholesale_cthulhu_and_save.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890 | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | just paint them purple | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | they'll sell like hotcakes | 23:52 |
| @rizen | yeah, except they'll sue me | 23:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's a parody, you're covered | 23:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | w00t! Let the orders roll in! | 23:57 |
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| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc169a90 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Get rid of old subscription tables. Fixes bug #11062 - http://bit.ly/1FyUX | 00:00 |
| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re1b95d1 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Get rid of old subscription tables. Fixes bug #11062 - http://bit.ly/p6mAl | 00:00 |
| * perlDreamer heads off to pick up kids, then more bug fixing | 00:08 | |
| +cap10morgan | can you manipulate asset permissions via the API? | 00:11 |
| CIA-67 | webgui: JT Smith innodb * r78770eb / (3 files in 2 dirs): initial innodb conversion complete, but untested - http://bit.ly/6y1Pm | 00:11 |
| CIA-67 | webgui: JT Smith innodb * rf7f827e / docs/upgrades/convert-db-to-innodb.sql : bug fixes - http://bit.ly/3ZhFUm | 00:11 |
| CIA-67 | webgui: JT Smith innodb * rb3fd84c / docs/upgrades/convert-db-to-innodb.sql : started adding foreign keys - http://bit.ly/3oUEjE | 00:11 |
| CIA-67 | webgui: JT Smith innodb * rf24642b / docs/upgrades/convert-db-to-innodb.sql : bug fixes - http://bit.ly/4itEQh | 00:11 |
| @rizen | cap10morgan: absolutely you can | 00:11 |
| @rizen | $asset->update({groupIdView=>$newGroupId}); | 00:12 |
| +cap10morgan | ah ha, properties on an update | 00:12 |
| +cap10morgan | that was the clue i was missing | 00:12 |
| +cap10morgan | thanks rizen | 00:12 |
| @rizen | np | 00:12 |
| @rizen | you may instead wish to do it using the addRevision() method | 00:12 |
| @rizen | which works basically the same way | 00:12 |
| @rizen | but if you do that, don't forget to commit your tag | 00:13 |
| +cap10morgan | right, ok | 00:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | holy cow, rizen! | 00:38 |
| @rizen | holy cow? | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | are you catching up on your bug posting? | 00:39 |
| @rizen | just trying to fix some low level crap that might come back and bite us in the ass later | 00:39 |
| @rizen | i could just fix it straight in wg8, but i thought that wg7 could benefit from what i'm finding | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, what's your secret recipe for latin-1 to UTF8 conversion for tables? can you point to some code I can borrow for the AdSku and Carousel tables? | 00:40 |
| @Haarg | i'll work on that bug. | 00:41 |
| @rizen | shouldn't we assign that bug to the people who created it? | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | not if we want it done quickly | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto: please email me the customer ID so I can see the raw HTML behind the problem | 00:49 |
| @tavisto | who wants to die | 00:54 |
| @tavisto | oh nm hi perlDreamer | 00:54 |
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| @tavisto | choose any customer, I checked on PB | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, tavisto, paisano! | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | you bringa me data, I fixa you bugs | 00:54 |
| @tavisto | and TGC | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll look | 00:55 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, can you apply this patch http://pastebin.com/m76b01c4 , run an upgrade, and paste the output from show create table CharsetTestTable ? | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | yup, let me finish this merge and I'll jump on it | 00:58 |
| @Haarg | naturally, pastebin corrupts the patch | 00:58 |
| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1bbbd75 / (2 files in 2 dirs): drop another SQL Form table if the SQL form isn't used. Fixes bug #11061 - http://bit.ly/31zh1q | 00:59 |
| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0a23831 / (2 files in 2 dirs): drop another SQL Form table if the SQL form isn't used. Fixes bug #11061 - http://bit.ly/10fD79 | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, patch against master? | 01:00 |
| @Haarg | yes | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | is gist down from the github transition? | 01:01 |
| @Haarg | not sure | 01:01 |
| @Haarg | most likely that is why it is broken | 01:02 |
| @Haarg | there's a number of reports about it on github's support site | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: http://pastebin.com/m55cc237c | 01:06 |
| @Haarg | odd | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | that's my source install | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | should I try again on the WRE? | 01:07 |
| @Haarg | which are you using to build create.sql ? | 01:07 |
| @Haarg | have you messed with your mysql config recently? | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | the 7.8 release was built using the source install. | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | all other releases were done with the WRE VM | 01:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | no mysql config messing recently | 01:08 |
| @Haarg | well, if you could try with the wre that would be nice | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | the last time was for search key length | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, exactly the same thing | 01:15 |
| @Haarg | very odd | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | why? | 01:18 |
| @Haarg | well, actually i think this was a problem on my end | 01:20 |
| @Haarg | not sure why yet though | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | don't discount my mysql ineptness | 01:21 |
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| * perlDreamer needs to head off and make dinner for kids, then take them to piano lessons | 02:11 | |
| +perlDreamer | the release will start at around 8:00pm PDT tonight | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll check back in channel for any straggling bugs before starting the release. | 02:11 |
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| patspam1 | morning | 02:45 |
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| @preaction | so far, on a server with 26 sites, 7 of 7 have required manual intervention during the upgrade :p | 03:13 |
| @preaction | ooh 8 of 8 | 03:13 |
| * preaction will be so happy when we move to InnoDB | 03:13 | |
| @preaction | different server, same upgrade ( from X to Y ), no site has required manual intervention... | 03:14 |
| @preaction | gonna be another one of those nights i suspect... | 03:14 |
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| ckotil | Tonight is attempt #2 at upgrading from source to wre. I got hung up last week on a couple of things. | 04:25 |
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| @rizen | ckotil: good luck | 04:58 |
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| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r030fa71 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix revisionDate field definitions for several assets. Fixes bug #11066 - http://bit.ly/tm8Vc | 06:41 |
| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1108760 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix revisionDate field definitions for several assets. Fixes bug #11066 - http://bit.ly/16UpVn | 06:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, Haarg: any pending commits? | 06:45 |
| @preaction | nope | 06:46 |
| +perlDreamer | then here we go | 06:46 |
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| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r4f77211 / t/Asset/File.t : scopeGuard is not backported yet. - http://bit.ly/4puPde | 07:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | tests are clean | 07:22 |
| +perlDreamer | build done | 07:26 |
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| ckotil | it went well. just took a long time to do. had about 20 sites i had to move into the wre | 08:01 |
| +perlDreamer | awesome! | 08:01 |
| ckotil | well, pry more like 30. ~15 webgui sites, and 15 non webgui sites, some w/ php. ugh | 08:01 |
| +perlDreamer | now you can go fishing | 08:01 |
| ckotil | heh, night fishin | 08:01 |
| ckotil | I need catch some zzzzzz's | 08:01 |
| ckotil | ive actually got 1 more site to add that i forgot about. webgui site. just gotta whipe up the mod rewrite foo | 08:02 |
| ckotil | Good Night. | 08:16 |
| +perlDreamer | later, dude | 08:17 |
| elnino | firefox uses drupal. Ew. | 08:26 |
| * elnino goes to bed now. | 08:26 | |
| elnino | (good morning patspam) | 08:27 |
| +perlDreamer | good night, elnino ;) | 08:27 |
| elnino | nite. | 08:27 |
| +patspam | hey elnino! | 08:28 |
| +patspam | congratulations on your WUC award :) | 08:28 |
| +patspam | very well deserved | 08:29 |
| elnino | thx! | 08:29 |
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| patspam1 | doh, my wireless card freaked out for a moment there | 08:35 |
| patspam1 | perlDreamer: does elnino get +voice now that she's a Colin Kuskie of the year? | 08:35 |
| +perlDreamer | no, only people who are WGBP get +voice | 08:35 |
| +perlDreamer | uh, PBWG | 08:36 |
| +perlDreamer | one of those acronyms | 08:36 |
| patspam1 | in which case.. | 08:36 |
| lsr | is Search currently broken on the RFE board? | 08:42 |
| +perlDreamer | it's possible. Have you checked the bug board to see if it's reported there? | 08:43 |
| patspam1 | heh, how would he search the bug board if search was broken? | 08:43 |
| +perlDreamer | that's why I said "check" and not search ;) | 08:43 |
| patspam1 | but incidentally, search seems to work on the bug board =p | 08:43 |
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| patspam1 | rfe search appears to be working but.. | 08:45 |
| patspam1 | doesn't give any feedback that it did anything if search returns zero results | 08:45 |
| patspam1 | so it looks broken | 08:45 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.7.21 is released | 08:46 |
| +perlDreamer | hack on, brothers and sisters! | 08:46 |
| patspam1 | yay! | 08:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I think between the virus, and the cold medicine, I'm pretty shot | 08:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll see y'all in the morning | 08:48 |
| patspam1 | rest up :) | 08:48 |
| +perlDreamer | except for patspam, whom I'll see tomorrow morning his time ;) | 08:48 |
| patspam1 | unless i sleep in | 08:49 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd ask if Helen allows that, but that's a problem that will resolve itself soon | 08:49 |
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| CIA-67 | WebGUI: translation * r12369 /translations/Russian/Russian/ (8 files): Updating Russian on translation server | 11:23 |
| CIA-67 | WebGUI: translation * r12370 /translations/Russian/Russian/ (DateTime.pm Form_Date.pm): Updating Russian on translation server | 11:44 |
| CIA-67 | WebGUI: translation * r12371 /translations/Ukrainian/Ukrainian/ (55 files): Updating Ukrainian on translation server | 11:44 |
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| carogray | In <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> | 16:37 |
| carogray | <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> | 16:37 |
| carogray | can you put an <a href=""> tag around a div? | 16:37 |
| carogray | ie.<div id="headerLogo"><a href="^/home"><img src="^FileUrl | 16:38 |
| carogray | (assets/site/logo_laccm);" /> </a> </div> | 16:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 16:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | b/c div is a block element | 16:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | I think you can put an a atround a span though | 16:39 |
| carogray | so the block cannot be the link, only the image? | 16:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm | 16:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | an img is an inline element afaik | 16:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | so you can put that inside an a | 16:42 |
| carogray | k I'm trying it now - new editor is being very strange about what it allows and what not...also seems to be deleting any time I try to copy | 16:43 |
| carogray | slow going | 16:43 |
| Socrates | MrHairgrease: you can give everything (div, a, img, etc.) a display: block or display: inline to force its element type | 16:44 |
| Socrates | and still be valid | 16:44 |
| Socrates | and an 'a' with display:block is still a valid link | 16:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's not valid html afaik | 16:44 |
| Socrates | hmm, not sure anymore now | 16:46 |
| carogray | what's "afaik" - "as far as I know"? | 16:47 |
| Socrates | yep, that's what afaik means, afaik | 16:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | and now I know for sure | 16:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | you are not allowed to do: | 16:49 |
| carogray | right - I just looked it up too: | 16:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | <a><div>...</div></a> | 16:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | but a span is valid | 16:50 |
| carogray | <a href="/english"><div id="headerlogo"></div></a>?The mentioned element is not allowed to appear in the context in which you've placed it; the other mentioned elements are the only ones that are both allowed there and can contain the element mentioned. This might mean that you need a containing element, or possibly that you've forgotten to close a previous element.One possible cause for this message is that you have attempted to p | 16:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://validator.w3.org/check | 16:50 |
| carogray | should have checked there first | 16:50 |
| carogray | oh easier place thanks | 16:50 |
| Socrates | i thought the invalidness would be having a block element inside an inline element | 17:05 |
| Socrates | defining a as display:block would (in my book) make this valid html, but i guess i was wrong... | 17:05 |
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| CIA-67 | webgui: JT Smith innodb * rd841c8b / docs/upgrades/convert-db-to-innodb.sql : added a lot more foreign keys - http://bit.ly/DbS3e | 17:14 |
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| elnino | wasnt there a wiki about how to create multi-root navigation? I can't seem tofind it... | 17:49 |
| elnino | (good morning everyone) | 17:49 |
| +bartjol | cool it looks like the preview in the image asset after resizing takes the width and height in the wrong order | 17:54 |
| elnino | oh, what version? | 17:55 |
| +bartjol | 7.7.21 | 17:55 |
| +bartjol | it is only the preview | 17:55 |
| +bartjol | and my html does show that is the wrong way around | 17:56 |
| elnino | that can be very confusing/frustrating to a user | 17:56 |
| +bartjol | ys, I think it is rather cool | 17:58 |
| +bartjol | my collegue didn't agree :) | 17:58 |
| +bartjol | reportd a bug | 18:01 |
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| +bartjol | aah founf the fix | 18:07 |
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| +bartjol | someone was using x as a vertical axis value, which, in itself isn't wrong | 18:17 |
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| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8c1a44b / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix i18n typo in Navigation. Fixes bug #11070. - http://bit.ly/36fK0q | 19:51 |
| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r885adc1 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix i18n typo in Navigation. Fixes bug #11070. - http://bit.ly/jzb12 | 19:51 |
| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r09e3952 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : move changelog entry to right place. - http://bit.ly/1D7QMC | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | wouldn't it be cool if the bug board automatically tracked git commits, and added the git commits that fixed a paticular bug? | 19:54 |
| @Haarg | it wouldn't be very hard to do | 19:55 |
| daviddelikat1 | is there a well known method to test items that require a login? | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | from the UI, or the API? | 19:59 |
| daviddelikat1 | without using WWW:MECH... | 19:59 |
| daviddelikat1 | that would be API | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | have a look at t/Asset/StoryArchive.t, WebGUI::Test::Maker::Permission | 20:00 |
| daviddelikat1 | I don't have that test | 20:02 |
| daviddelikat1 | I just did a git pull this morning | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | my bad, t/Asset/Story.t | 20:03 |
| daviddelikat1 | ok I found it | 20:03 |
| CIA-67 | config-json: Graham Knop master * r7d21959 / lib/Config/JSON.pm : small fix to creation of temp file - http://bit.ly/35qonh | 20:08 |
| +perlDreamer | do we need to update the version of Config::JSON in WebGUI to match that, Haarg? | 20:09 |
| @Haarg | once i get rizen to put out the new release we should update to use it yes | 20:09 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: help me solve the bug i just posted and i'll put out the new Config::JSON today | 20:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll finish porting this over, and I'll get right on it | 20:10 |
| @Haarg | gist is fixed now apparently | 20:11 |
| elnino | You all are awesome!! (just had to say that) | 20:11 |
| * elnino goes to eat lunch | 20:12 | |
| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rc80200b / (3 files in 2 dirs): More cleanups from the old 7.5 commerce system. Fixes bug #11068 - http://bit.ly/QgLiW | 20:18 |
| daviddelikat1 | perlDreamer: what if the test is more complicated? | 20:18 |
| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ref715be / (2 files in 2 dirs): More cleanups from the old 7.5 commerce system. Fixes bug #11068 - http://bit.ly/4BPRWc | 20:18 |
| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0388a2e / (2 files in 2 dirs): More cleanups from the old 7.5 commerce system. Fixes bug #11068 - http://bit.ly/17h9zj | 20:18 |
| daviddelikat1 | I need to create something and then test the ting i created | 20:18 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 20:18 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what the Maker test does | 20:18 |
| @rizen | figured it out perlDreamer | 20:18 |
| +perlDreamer | what did I do, rizen? | 20:18 |
| @rizen | All the json variants need noFormPost=>1, set on them. | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | do you want me to do that? | 20:22 |
| daviddelikat1 | any chance we could make a 'WebGUI::Test::Perm' with a login/logout methods? | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat1, you might need to be more specific | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | when you're logged in, you have a userId and belong to groups | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | you're either a Visitor, or not a Visitor | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | you belong the Visitor group, or the Registered Users group | 20:26 |
| daviddelikat1 | I would like to have my test script login and run some method then logout | 20:26 |
| daviddelikat1 | so that it has permissions to create soem things that require admin priviledges | 20:27 |
| +perlDreamer | if you need admin privileges, switch to the admin user in the session object | 20:27 |
| +perlDreamer | $session->user({userId => 3}); | 20:27 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: yes please | 20:28 |
| @rizen | i just attached the fix to the bug report | 20:28 |
| @rizen | you don't have to do it now | 20:28 |
| @rizen | whenver | 20:28 |
| @rizen | whenever | 20:28 |
| daviddelikat1 | thanks perlDreamer that is what I was looking for | 20:28 |
| daviddelikat1 | I did not expect it to be that easy | 20:28 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat1, I also need an ETA for the location-less schedule rendering bug. | 20:33 |
| +cap10morgan | ok, i've confused myself with git again :) | 20:48 |
| +cap10morgan | i'm trying to maintain some local mods and additions to webgui | 20:49 |
| +cap10morgan | in a branch called webgui-7.7-pin | 20:49 |
| +cap10morgan | which branched at the v7.7.20 tag | 20:49 |
| +cap10morgan | and now i'd like to rebase those local commits off the v7.7.21 tag | 20:49 |
| +cap10morgan | however, that completely freaks out my remote git clone in the cloud from whence my production webgui servers pull their code | 20:49 |
| +cap10morgan | because it's not a fast-forward merge when i try to push | 20:50 |
| +cap10morgan | i feel like i'm just going about this all wrong | 20:50 |
| +cap10morgan | is anyone doing anything similar and have some advice? | 20:52 |
| @Haarg | is there a reason you need to use rebase instead of just doing a merge? | 21:02 |
| @Haarg | switching to just a merge is probably the simplest solution. | 21:03 |
| daviddelikat1 | perlDreamer: do you have a bug number for the schedule render issue? | 21:16 |
| daviddelikat1 | if not I can search for it myself... | 21:17 |
| +cap10morgan | Haarg: I guess I figured I wanted to forward-port my changes to v7.7.21 and that's what rebase does | 21:17 |
| +cap10morgan | but if i'm barking up the wrong tree, i'll gladly move to a different one :) | 21:17 |
| @Haarg | it shouldn't be a problem to just use merge | 21:18 |
| @Haarg | then it will be a fast-forward | 21:18 |
| +cap10morgan | Haarg: ok, i'll play around with that. thanks for the advice! | 21:19 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat1: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/10874 | 21:20 |
| daviddelikat1 | I'm working on EMS Submissions right now | 21:20 |
| daviddelikat1 | I'll probably break out and look at some other stuff nest week. or any other time I fele Im at an impass... | 21:21 |
| daviddelikat1 | s'fele'feel' | 21:21 |
| daviddelikat1 | so I'll put it on my list | 21:21 |
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| daviddelikat1 | I think I will tryy to solve the problem by putting more than one item in the cell | 21:23 |
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| daviddelikat1 | but baring that I will do as you suggest in the bug notes... | 21:23 |
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| +cap10morgan | Haarg: that worked great after resolving a couple conflicts; thanks! | 21:25 |
| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra02b4c7 / (3 files in 3 dirs): JSON fields need autoGenerate=>0 and noFormPost=>1, fixes bug #11075 - http://bit.ly/phRm3 | 21:27 |
| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r68dec2b / (3 files in 3 dirs): JSON fields need autoGenerate=>0 and noFormPost=>1, fixes bug #11075 - http://bit.ly/157AiZ | 21:27 |
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| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rddc33b7 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/Image.pm): Swap X and Y in image preview. Fixes bug #11073. - http://bit.ly/zs4ql | 21:32 |
| CIA-67 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r6c972e4 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/Image.pm): Swap X and Y in image preview. Fixes bug #11073. - http://bit.ly/PxGJh | 21:32 |
| +cap10morgan | Haarg: you're famous on my new blog now: http://nerdyadventuresofwes.blogspot.com/ | 21:39 |
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| +cap10morgan | oops, Haarg wasn't in here when I said that | 21:51 |
| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan, you should let patspam know about your blog so he can add it to planetWebGUI | 21:51 |
| +cap10morgan | Haarg: that totally worked and I credited you on my blog post: http://nerdyadventuresofwes.blogspot.com/ | 21:51 |
| +cap10morgan | ok, will do | 21:51 |
| @preaction | cap10morgan: also go to http://webgui.org/planet/add-your-blog | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, is that published? | 21:52 |
| @preaction | yeah, i just been slackin on getting people | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | does it require keywords for posts to be accepted, like ironman does? | 21:55 |
| @preaction | nope | 21:55 |
| +perlDreamer | otherwise, you may end up getting recipes and kid posts from me ;) | 21:55 |
| @preaction | at least, not at the moment | 21:55 |
| @preaction | i should add "webgui" as a keyword | 21:56 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: Would it be okay to add some explicit instructions to the bug board that each bug post should contain 1, and only 1 bug? | 21:58 |
| @preaction | sure | 21:58 |
| carogray | using chrome on WebGUI 7.7.20 | 21:58 |
| carogray | much faster than Google | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | this bug irritates me: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11071 | 21:58 |
| carogray | however both seem to delete anything I copy in the edit window | 21:59 |
| carogray | irritating as heck | 21:59 |
| carogray | I mean Google Chrome is much faster than FF 3.5 | 21:59 |
| @preaction | ha. stupid Plain Black staff blog... | 22:01 |
| @preaction | only one post has "WebGUI" in it... | 22:01 |
| @preaction | only solution i can see is to have "filtered" and "unfiltered" blogs | 22:03 |
| @preaction | and then combine them into one SC asset | 22:03 |
| @preaction | (also, this is why this hasn't been widely released yet. there's still problems :p) | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't seem to be able to duplicate bugs in the bugboard | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | like, in the assetManager | 22:05 |
| @preaction | cap10morgan: do you want your blog in the "filtered" or the "unfiltered" section? (do you use your blog for more than WebGUI?) | 22:06 |
| +cap10morgan | preaction: i will use it for more than webgui, so probably filtered | 22:06 |
| @preaction | okay | 22:06 |
| @preaction | the filter will hit "webgui", "plainblack", or "plain black". i might add more terms later | 22:07 |
| ckotil | I've been hearing reports about how much faster and 'zippier' the websites are, thanks to the WRE. | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | sweet | 22:14 |
| @preaction | am I supposed to be able, as an admin, to edit a DataForm entry and change values in it? | 22:20 |
| @preaction | it seems so, but when i change a Yes/No field's value, it doesn't actually change | 22:21 |
| @Haarg | yes | 22:22 |
| @preaction | perhaps it's because the yes/no field is "hidden" and only shown when i'm in Admin mode? | 22:22 |
| @Haarg | most likely | 22:23 |
| @Haarg | it only processes required and editable fields. maybe it should also process hidden ones for admins. | 22:25 |
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| carogray | preaction: thanks so much for your help last night - I have redone the home page template for laccm.org | 22:56 |
| carogray | I think the only thing I have left is to figure out how to get rid of the border around buttons - images that are working as links | 22:56 |
| @preaction | in your CSS: a img { border: none } | 22:56 |
| carogray | border="0" isn't working, I suspect it's that CSS defines aha! | 22:57 |
| carogray | that's it I can just put that in there? | 22:57 |
| @preaction | dunno, try it. | 22:57 |
| @preaction | it might need something more specific | 22:57 |
| @preaction | i.e. #myID a img { ... } or .myclass a img { ... } | 22:57 |
| carogray | I don't have to make <a href="FileUrl(ladj;ajsgd);" class="someimagea">? | 22:58 |
| carogray | okey doke will try the easier one first | 22:58 |
| @Haarg | preaction, how silly is this: http://gist.github.com/198392 | 23:04 |
| @preaction | uh.... why? | 23:05 |
| @Haarg | first is so it doesn't clear the file if it can't write the full config to it. | 23:05 |
| @Haarg | second is so it doesn't change the permissions of the file | 23:05 |
| @preaction | this wouldn't happen to be encapsulated somehow, would it? | 23:08 |
| @Haarg | no idea | 23:08 |
| @preaction | it looks like a lot of work, but it fixes the bug | 23:10 |
| @Haarg | i wonder if it would be simpler to use syswrite instead | 23:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | date form plugins suck | 23:40 |
| @preaction | yes yes they do | 23:41 |
| @preaction | and in Wg8 you can make it your duty to fix them permanently | 23:41 |
| * perlDreamer will be templating his heart out | 23:41 | |
| +perlDreamer | I'm just going to reject any commits that don't have tests in them, if they touch the Date form plugins | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | :) | 23:42 |
| @Haarg | any thoughts on how to test IO stuff to simulate a full disk? | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | can you mock it? | 23:43 |
| @Haarg | not really | 23:45 |
| @Haarg | that's really the only option though. not mocking, but overriding CORE::GLOBAL::print/close etc | 23:47 |
| SDuensin | Haarg - make a loop device. | 23:56 |
| SDuensin | Unless you're on that horrible Windows thing. Then use a floppy. :-) | 23:56 |
| @Haarg | i mean as part of an automated test | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | it would require runnnig the tests as root | 23:57 |
| SDuensin | :-/ | 23:58 |
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