WebGUI irc logs from: 2009-08.log

--- Log opened Sat Aug 01 00:00:03 2009
ifluxhttp://thereifixedit.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/scottw-motorbike.jpg .. I got no comment for that picture man.. but.. wow..00:05
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CIA-53WebGUI: doug * r12000 /WebGUI/ (t/Inbox.t lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm t/Inbox/Message.t): change "testing" to "no_email" for inbox messages00:08
+perldreamerwas that driving you crazy, preaction?00:32
@preactionno, i just needed the feature00:32
@preactionthere are other things that drive me crazy about the way the inbox works00:32
+perldreamerme, too00:33
+perldreamerit starts at line 1, and ends at 1;00:33
@preactionyeah, it could probably use a complete overhault00:33
@preactionall of this directed attacks against little bugs and features is creating monsters out of our APIs00:34
+perldreameryay, I've got the modules00:54
+perldreamernow can I build them?00:54
+perldreamerwhen building the WRE, is there a way to get it to ONLY BUILD perl modules00:59
+perldreamerand not to do anything else?00:59
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+MrHairgreaseso20:02
+MrHairgreasethe eagle has landed...20:02
+MrHairgreasehttp://www.plainblack.com/tbb/i-have-arrived-in-lisboa20:02
+MrHairgreaseI'll be going tomorrow!20:03
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hanswhi01:04
hanswhmm, webgui is a bit weird, I've already been away from the office for 2 weeks and I still do not get any complaints01:05
mducharmecomplaints about what?01:15
mducharmeand how is webgui weird01:16
mducharmeheh01:16
daviddelikatthats rough, perhaps you should try something that generates more complaints :)01:16
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hanswwill try that :-)01:30
hanswand another week to enjoy the holidays, it even seems to get warm over here01:32
daviddelikatwheres 'over here'?01:33
hanswgermany01:33
hansw30 degrees celsius01:33
hanswaround 86 Fahrenheit I think01:34
daviddelikat123qwe01:34
daviddelikatoops01:34
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hansw:-)01:34
hanswwell, that might be visible at our site but it will not work01:35
daviddelikatits the default for the vm...01:35
hanswai01:35
daviddelikatI haven';t bothered to change it because I reset so often i've nothing to lose01:36
hanswwe have a simular policy for intranet/test servers01:36
hanswbut once they are about to go live the root pwd and site login's change01:37
daviddelikat'course right now it doesn't work at all because the root filesystem is full...01:37
hanswlol01:37
hansw / or the complete filesystem?01:38
daviddelikatwell theres a /boot partition, but everything else is in /01:38
daviddelikatnot my choice, but i live with it...01:38
hanswthat is kind of sick, sorry01:38
hanswthat is why I would love to see tablespaces in mysql and logging on another machine01:39
daviddelikatit wasn't really intended for what I'm using it for either...01:39
daviddelikati learned how to 'remount'  a filesystem...01:40
hanswevery few weeks I have a customer that is not willing to sign the sla we are using but who is complaining about a non working application01:41
hanswremounting is only nice with new disks I think01:41
hanswand the customers /var is always filled for 100 percent01:41
daviddelikatremounting is for when you fill the root filesystem and it gets turned to readonly01:41
hanswstupid hp-ux, it does not recycle logfiles01:42
daviddelikatyou remount it so that you can delete files and get the system running01:42
hanswlogrotate is working though01:42
hanswah, ok01:42
daviddelikatwe  have logrotate, but for some reason i'm getting an incredible number of errors ina short period of time.01:43
hanswon hp-ux?01:43
daviddelikatno centos01:43
daviddelikatis related to webgui01:43
hanswah, should not be a problem01:43
daviddelikatsomething in the email config01:43
daviddelikatit will go away again when I reset01:43
hanswpostfix? exim?01:44
daviddelikatthen it comes back after I've used it a while...01:44
daviddelikatnot sure,  I never touch the mail system.01:44
daviddelikattoo busy with my own stuff...01:44
hanswor even sendmail... shiver01:44
hanswdaviddelikat, did you look at the pre and post actions in the logrotate config?01:45
daviddelikatall I know is thata in about 5 minutes the maillog can grow to about 6 gig01:45
hanswif you have a busy server then it should first stop accepting01:45
daviddelikatits not busy.  I'm the only user.01:46
hanswnot busy while generating 6 GB in 5 minutes?01:46
daviddelikatits my development system01:46
daviddelikatit seems to go haywire on occasion01:47
daviddelikatlike i said its not intended for what im using it for01:47
hanswdid you maybe made the same mistake as I did? I once put a class online (php) that logged bad connections to a mysql server. The server was a little fast so once the mysql server did not accept connections it started to email to me for 30 seconds01:48
hanswit resulted in some 2800 e-mails01:48
hanswafter that I refactored it to send only 1 message per http request :-)01:49
daviddelikati could be something like that, I don't know everything webgui does with email...01:50
hanswwell, a grep for mail or smtp should make it a little more clear01:54
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+perlDreamerall right, all you Europeans23:06
+perlDreamerReturn rizen, or else...23:07
+perlDreamerHaarg: I tried two different ways of doing resize on EditArea, and struck out on both23:07
+perlDreamerthat ones going to need to be done by someone more skilled in Javascript23:08
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+perlDreamerBartJol, shouldn't you be sleeping?00:24
+BartJolit's only 23:3000:24
+BartJolso, yeah, I have some inclination for going to bed00:24
+perlDreamerwhile rizen is gone, I should implement my plot to subvert WebGUI, and thereby, TAKE OVER THE WORLD!00:25
+BartJolor at least PB00:26
+BartJolwell, we can plot something00:26
+BartJolbut now I want in00:27
+perlDreameryou want a piece of the action?00:27
+perlDreamernot a problem00:27
+BartJolsure00:27
+perlDreamerHow does New Zealand sound?00:27
+BartJolgood, should I go there?00:27
+BartJolor are we sending JT?00:28
+perlDreamerNo, you can have it00:28
+BartJolcool00:28
+BartJoland make it a law to use WebGUI for websites00:28
+perlDreamerI don't know if the beer is any good, but I hear they make good movies there.00:29
+BartJolhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_in_New_Zealand00:29
+BartJolif you arrange that new glarus will export spotted cow to NZ00:30
+BartJolI will survive00:30
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+perlDreamerThat James Cook was a smart guy00:30
SquOnkHi everyone00:31
+BartJolso, is there any detailed plan?00:31
+BartJolhi SquOnk00:31
SquOnkUpdated 7.6.33 packages in my Debian repo00:31
+BartJolcool00:31
+perlDreamerSquOnk, in general, how well are laptops supported by Debian?00:32
@preactionquite well00:32
@preactionmy last macbook booted right up with ubuntu00:32
* perlDreamer would really like to use Skype on his laptop00:32
+perlDreamerbadly enough that he might leave fedora00:32
SquOnkperlDreamer: Quite well. I'd suggesting NOT using Debian (or Linux for that matter) on the newer Sony VAIOs, though.00:32
+perlDreamerI always buy Dell's00:33
+BartJolMartin runs linux on his vaio00:33
SquOnkMacBooks work almost aout of the box if you have ReFit installed.00:33
+BartJolnot sure how new that one is00:33
SquOnkThe only "trick" is to add model=mbp2 for your ALSA drivers, but that's about it00:33
SquOnkI run a Thinkpad T60p (two years old). Had to go with a custom kernel because of a buggy Atheros driver.00:34
SquOnkDell laptops work flawlessly most of the time.00:34
SquOnkAvoid the Lenovo SL, stick to the X, R or T00:34
+perlDreameris there a compatibility matrix?00:34
SquOnkperlDreamer: Not that I know of.00:34
SquOnkperlDreamer: What I usually do with friends that ask is Live boot them with Debian Live or Ubuntu and check out if everyting works.00:35
SquOnkperlDreamer: If they've got a plain old Intel chipset, everything will work out of the box.00:35
SquOnkperlDreamer: If you get the weird Atheros wifi cards, you'll have to do some additional work (in _some_ cases)00:36
SquOnkperlDreamer: If you need hardware 3D on ATI/nVidia cards (high end laptops, like mine) then you'll need to add the proprietary drivers (which are in the non-free part of the repo, mind you)00:36
+perlDreamerof course00:39
SquOnkperlDreamer: I've been using Thinkpads exclusively since 2001 and the _all_ work out of the box, except the SLs (avoid them like the plague) and the 'p' class off the T series having high-end hardware config.00:40
SquOnkperlDreamer: My associates carry a T41 and a MacBook (not Pro) with Debian Lenny, the first has 3D accel on the low-end ATI card and the other has 3D accel on the Intel integrated card the MacBook has.00:41
SquOnkperlDreamer: I tend to avoid HP laptops: crappy hardware and shiny screens.00:41
+perlDreamermy first laptop was a Toshiba, and I was chasing network and video issues for a long time00:42
+perlDreamerthen I switched to Dell, and have had no problem00:42
+perlDreameruntil this Vostro 1510, with audio and microphone issues00:42
SquOnkIntel HDA00:42
SquOnkOne API, infitine CODECs from hell.00:43
@preactionanyone here familiar with DBIx::Class? i have some planning questions00:43
@preactionor anyone just want to help me brainstorm which of two methods is better?00:43
SquOnkpreaction: Shoot00:44
@preactionone way I can have WebGUIx::Asset be a way to find assets, like WebGUIx::Asset->find('any')00:44
@preactionthis way requires that base functionality be in a role, which is i think a problem00:44
@preactionbase functionality like www_view, view, prepare_view, commit, www_edit get_edit_form, etc...00:45
@preactionthe other way is that WebGUIx::Asset is the base class with all this basic functionality, then WebGUIx::Asset::Schema is how you find assets00:45
SquOnkpreaction: I'm not that familiar with WebGUI's database model.00:46
@preactioneither way there are classes WebGUIx::Asset::Tree and WebGUIx::Asset::Any for the "asset" and "assetData" tables respectively00:46
SquOnkpreaction: What you basically want is "a table, a class"00:46
@preactionmainly there are three important tables for every asset: "asset", "assetData" and the asset's own table00:46
@preactionasset isn't versioned, assetData and their own tables are00:46
@preactioni have that part done, it's just the question: Should common functionality to all assets be a role or a class to be inherited from?00:47
SquOnkpreaction: Methods on the class.00:48
@preactionso a class to be inherited from?00:48
SquOnkpreaction: Say you have a table Foo where you CRUD. Then you have My::Schema::Foo00:49
@preactionyes, but the asset system doesn't translate well to that00:49
perigrindefine your use of the term "role"00:49
SquOnkpreaction: Say you have a very weird/complex query that involves Foo and it's not easily modelled as a 'has' relation; here's when you write a custom method for class Foo00:49
perigrin:)00:49
@preactionbecause there are methods that work on "asset" and "assetData" that need to be part of the base class, not $self->asset->method and $self->assetData->method00:50
@preactionperigrin: Moose::Role00:50
perigrinRole00:50
@preactionhttp://github.com/preaction/modern-webgui <- contains the code for the first situation00:50
perigrinwhich will do what SquOnk is saying afaict00:50
@preactioni'm thinking of changing it to a WebGUIx::Asset base class and WebGUIx::Asset::Schema for the DBIx::Class::Schema00:51
SquOnkWhat's the relationship between Asset and AssetData? 'has many', right?00:52
@preactionasset has_many assetData00:52
perigrin(also pet peave ... Moose enables strict/warnings ... )00:52
SquOnkpreaction: Ok, then if you have an asset you can get into assetDara and back with DBix::Class autogenerated methods.00:53
SquOnkpreaction: And you still have "one table, one class"00:53
@preactionSquOnk: yes, i realize, that's the problem. you have to use those autogenerated methods.00:53
SquOnkpreaction: If the query becomes so hairy that you don't want it to show in the main code, you just wrap it up as an additional asset method.00:54
@preactionso let's say I have a "Snippet" asset, WebGUIx::Asset::Snippet. if I want to get the www_view method, I do $asset->www_view. but if I didn't define one, that method is only defined in WebGUIx::Asset::AssetData00:54
@preactionwww_view needs to use methods from asset, assetData, and Snippet00:55
SquOnkpreaction: Ah, you want a way to override the methods in case they're not defined.00:55
@preactionbut www_view for a Template asset needs asset, assetData, and Template00:55
SquOnkNow I begin to understand ;-)00:55
perigrinare the sub-methods in Template and Snippet named the same?00:56
@preactionwhich is why i'm thinking WebGUIx::Asset should define www_view and collect the info it needs, so that individual assets can inherit from it00:56
perigrinsomething you can require as an Interface?00:56
@preactionperigrin: yes00:56
* perigrin still things it sounds like a role then :)00:56
@preactionbut i don't want it to be only abstract (not a Java interface)00:56
perigrinno no www_view would be implemetend in the role00:56
perigrinand requires() the method from Snippet and Template00:57
@preactionbut every asset will inherit from the Role, there is no asset that cannot have this Role00:57
perigrinsure ... a) you don't inherit from Roles (that kind of thinking will screw you up later) and b) compose it into a base class00:57
@preactioni mean, sure, it's only a difference between "extends WebGUI::Asset" or "with WebGUI::Asset::Role::Common"00:57
SquOnkpreaction: Look at 'Dynamic Sub-classing DBIx::Class proxy classes' in DBIx::Class::Manual::CookBook00:58
perigrinthat's a big difference conceptually ... 00:58
@preactionooh, inflate_result will solve the newByDynamicClass problem00:59
SquOnkGood01:01
SquOnkSee you later01:03
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@preactionperigrin: so you suggest i should keep doing what i'm doing?01:03
perigrinpreaction: I dont' understand the underlying data well enough01:05
perigrinbut yes what you're doing + the dynamic subclassing should get you to where you want01:05
perigrinthe www_view problem is very natural to a Role decomposition01:05
perigrinit'll give you compile time checking if the required method from Snippet and Template don't exist01:06
@preactionokay, the one more problem i want to solve: I want to make Versioning a Role. if you don't use the Versioning role, your asset never creates versions01:06
@preactionnm, i figured it out01:06
@preactionRoles can completely replace methods and call the former method01:06
perigrineh wha?01:07
perigrinRoles get replaced ... but you can around a method and subvert the system 01:08
@preactionyeah, around is what i want01:08
perigrinfrom what you just described ... a role that adds either an around or an after modifier to the asset save method is what you want01:08
@preactionbefore it needs to create the new revision. after it needs to see if an error occurred and delete the revision if so01:09
perigrinaround sounds right :)01:09
perigrinthe only hiccup is you gotta manually call $self->$next(@_) otherwise things go hinky01:10
@preactionthough if the implementing class has to override process_edit_form, there may be some real weirdness01:10
perigrinhow so?01:10
@preactionwell, i need the return value from $self->$next(@_), if it throws, i need to clean up01:10
perigrinright ... you also should provide a stubbed $next or make sure it's in the requires() list01:11
perigrinsub foo { } around 'foo' => sub { ... } is a common idiom01:11
@preactionprocess_edit_form will also be in the Common role01:11
@preactionthe two parts will create the full functionality we have currently01:12
@preactioni really really wish this wasn't my first major project with DBIx::Class and Moose01:12
@preactionif i had the knowledge you have, or if you had the WebGUI knowledge I have, this would probably be pretty straightforward :p01:13
perigrinretro-fitting any old codebase is never easy01:13
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@preactionwould it be bad to call a class "WebGUIx::Asset::Any"?01:18
@preactioni like being able to say $schema->resultset('Any')->find(...)01:19
@preactionAny being any asset (thus, the assetData table)01:19
perigrinI dn't see why not01:25
perigrinaudrey has a place where she does bless { ...}, '0';01:26
@preactionuh... i don't rightly begin to comprehend that one01:26
perigrin$obj = bless {}, 0; if (ref $obj) { ... }01:27
perigrinshe's hiding the fact that an objet is in fact an object01:27
perigrinor even a reference01:27
@preactionoh lord01:28
@preactionha! now i get it01:28
@preactionthat is evil01:28
perigrinin her problem domain it works ... but yes01:28
perigrinshe does it in Data::Thunk? something like that ... whatever her Promise implementation is01:28
@preactionlet's say i hope to never have a reason to need that01:29
perigrin:)01:29
perigrinshe also started writing Perl 6 in Haskell so YMMV01:29
+perlDreamerall things considered, she did do pretty well with that01:35
+perlDreameryou could argue that she kept Perl6 alive, until Parrot came around01:35
+perlDreamer(again)01:35
* perigrin nods01:36
perigrinI've heard recently she's said that she's given up Perl6 because Moose is so nice :)01:37
+perlDreamerha!01:38
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@Haargi think i may get rid of my goofy module combining thing in wgd and just have it use a file archive03:33
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elninooh good grief. I'm trying to pass in a parameter to a sqlreport and wrap wild cards around it (%) in the query. Any suggestions? I haven't any luck with concat or anything. I suspect I need to create a variable, but not sure how to do that. Meanwhile I'm searching webgui.04:40
@Haargi'd say concat is the best way to do it04:41
@Haarghow did you try to use it?04:41
elninoI did. I got an error: ... letme try it again to get the error...04:42
elninoI put it in the  query portion, not the prequery portion.04:42
@Haargyeah04:43
elninoopps.04:43
@Haargyou'd do something like04:43
elninodumb user error.04:43
elninohold one.04:43
elninos/one/on04:43
@Haargwhere field = concat('%', ?, '%')04:44
@Haargby yeah, i meant you were correct04:44
elninoyeah, dumb user error. bad eye sight. what ever you want to call it.04:44
elninothanks Haarg!04:45
@preactionfat-finger. pebkac. picnic04:46
@preactionwe have plenty of ways to describe ourselves being idiots, considering it happens so often ;)04:46
@preactionthere's probably a good psychological paper in there about negative self-thinking in the programming community04:46
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elninoI'm assuming that assetHistory gives me the url history of an asset?04:55
elninoand if one "clears" the url history, the records are deletd from that table?04:55
@Haargit would record the history of the url, but it's not really designed for that04:55
@Haargif you 'clear' the url history (change url function) it won't change existing records in the assetHistory table04:56
elninooh. is there a better place to find url history of an asset?04:57
elninohmm. assetData perhaps04:58
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+bartjolmmm, I thought the bazaar was in the bazaar12:05
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+bartjolmmm15:55
+bartjolwhy is a dn variable made in the NewMail macro, but nothing happens to it15:55
+bartjols/dn/db/15:56
+bartjolor actually it's an object15:56
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CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12001 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm t/Asset/Event.t): 19:55
CIA-53WebGUI: Add more tests for getEndDateTimeNI. Remove extra whitespace. Add proper legal19:55
CIA-53WebGUI: notice and POD headings.19:55
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+perlDreamerit's like watching IRC jumping jacks20:03
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mducharme-workfun20:29
mducharme-workat work on a holiday20:30
+perlDreamersorry, dude20:30
mducharme-workUPS decided to kick the bucket20:30
mducharme-workthankfully was nothing more major than that20:30
mducharme-workat least everything is running again now20:30
mducharme-workhopefully nobody plugs in a coffee pot in the other wall or the servers will go down20:30
mducharme-worklol20:30
+perlDreamerI have a nice toaster oven you can borrow20:31
mducharme-work;P20:33
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+perlDreameryo, perlmonkey221:30
+perlDreamerhave you converted to Debian?21:31
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+perlDreamerpreaction: calendar converted over to non-inclusive end times.21:51
+perlDreamerIt is much happier now21:51
@HaargperlDreamer, i am working on the code editor thing21:51
+perlDreamerawesome!21:51
+perlDreamerI did try the destroy method, but it didn't clean up the drag bars21:52
+perlDreamerI wish you luck :)21:52
@Haargit's a little evil, but if i just set the width/height of the iframe i won't need to destroy the dragger at all21:56
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12002 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 21:58
CIA-53WebGUI: Finish making end times non-inclusive in the Calendar. This affects both the21:58
CIA-53WebGUI: week and the month views. Day and List views are generated based only on the21:58
CIA-53WebGUI: start date.21:58
+perlDreamerI spent about 2 hours trying to replace it, and about another two hours trying to switch back and forth between YUI and EditArea resizers21:58
mducharmeis there any easy way to add more date formats into webgui?22:18
mducharmesometimes I want a date display format that is not exactly one of the ones listed.. I took an old macro that someone wrote for an older webgui and made it work with the new version to reformat a date, it'd be easier if the date format table allowed custom strings22:19
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+perlDreamermducharme: is the Date macro ^D useful?23:07
@Haargthe editarea resize was easier than i expected23:07
@Haargdidn't end up having to do anything to the iframe since it automatically copies the width: 100%; height: 100% from the textarea23:10
+perlDreamerthat's cool!23:10
@Haargso it's using the yui resize control for when it's enabled or disabled23:11
@Haargwhich is a big improvement over the editarea's own resize control23:11
+perlDreamerCan I see how you did it?23:11
+perlDreamerI'd like to see what I was doing wrong yesterday23:12
@Haargi committed it23:12
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12003 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Forward porting calendar non-inclusive end times fix.23:12
CIA-53WebGUI: graham * r12004 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 4 dirs): fixed #10667: cannot change size of template editor23:12
@Haargalso cleaned up the textarea since it was using copies of yui's css files for some reason23:12
+perlDreamerso basically, this wraps the textarea in a div, and it's the div that gets resized?23:17
@Haargyes23:17
@Haargthat's how the textarea worked before, but it did more work than it needed to23:18
@Haargso i simplified that some23:18
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: been running debian for a few days.  going to switch back to cent when I get a chance.23:20
+perlDreamerdebian's no good?23:20
+perlmonkey2just doesn't feel as fully fleshed out as RHEL.23:20
+perlmonkey2For instance I noticed in the logs that root had spontaneously logged in, su'd to nobody, and logged out 3 minutes later.  Probably cron.  But cron doesn't log, it emails.  But it didn't send an email to anybody.  Not root and not my default user.23:21
+perlmonkey2This leaves open the question of what that login was and also makes me think that if the defaults for cron's emails aren't set up properly what else isn't?23:21
+perlmonkey2One, iptables isn't set up by default.23:22
+perlmonkey2you have zero firewall.  selinux isn't installed by default.23:22
+perlmonkey2And most importantly of all, my folding@home points per day half dropped by 50% with debian.23:22
perigrin_obviously the right answer is freebsd then :)23:24
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+perlDreamerhaarg: I've gotten most of the calendar import issue done.  Next I need to see how the floating time zone is going to affect importing from Google's holiday feed.23:31
+perlDreamerwill you be working on the 7.5.40 latin1 upgrade issue next?23:31
@Haargyes23:31
mducharmeperlDreamer: the I'm speaking mostly of collaboration systems and RSS feeds23:39
mducharmewhere the date macro does not help much..23:39
mducharmeunless I'm missing something23:39
mducharmeand I should say syndicated content instead of RSS feeds...23:40
+perlDreameris this an aggregated item in the SC, or a feed that the SC is generating for you?23:41
+perlDreamerfrom what I can see, in the HTML version of the SC output, it gives you access to the publication date of each item as an epoch.23:44
+perlDreamerthat would feed right into the Date macro23:44
mducharmeahh23:49
mducharmenever realized..23:49
+perlDreamercan I share a secret with you?23:49
mducharmesure23:49
+perlDreamerthere is a ton of information in the online help for the assets23:49
+perlDreamerno one reads it23:49
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+perlDreamerand they end up missing a lot of WebGUI's capabilities23:49
mducharmeI looked in there a while back23:50
mducharmebut last time I looked into this was like a year or two ago23:50
+perlDreamerwhenever you start to use an asset, go back and read the template help page for that asset23:50
mducharmeso if it's something that's been added in in the past few years I might not know about it23:50
mducharmeI couldn't find a way to do it back then23:50
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: how come I find RHEL/Fedora to be far superior to Debian/Ubuntu, but Deb/Ubuntu seem to have 2-3 times as many users?  And where could you get an honest answer that wouldnt' involve some sort of soul destroying flame war?23:52
+perlDreamerLWN.net23:52
+perlDreamerask corbet, the editor there23:52
+perlDreamereither that, or it could be the whole ideological issue23:53
+perlDreamermducharme: I checked 7.4 quickly, and it seems to have epoch dates as well23:54
+perlDreamerbut who knows?23:54
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+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: it could also be very similar to WebGUI vs Drupal/Mambo, etc.00:47
@preactionha, that's not even a contest01:04
@preactionRedHat seems more suited to getting things done, Debian is a means to an end (a super-OS that contains the tools to build your real OS)01:04
@preactionhence, Ubuntu01:04
+perlDreamerDebian wasn't designed to be that, was it?01:09
@preactionit's always been that way to me, it does the very least possible01:10
@preactionit was weird when i set up my freebsd system and got nightly, weekly, and monthly e-mail reports01:10
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@preactiondebian was my first successful linux foray01:12
+perlDreamerpreaction: was iCal export another calendar add-on?01:32
@preactionadd on?01:32
+perlDreameradd after the original release01:34
@preactionno, it was part of the original spec01:34
@preactioni was just working on using XP, so it got bolted on01:35
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+perlDreamerOperation/Cron.pm needs a wrapper for manually running cron jobs02:00
+perlDreamerreturning spectre status codes is not very friendly02:00
+perlDreameryes!02:02
+perlDreamerGoogle iCal import is working!02:02
@preactionyay!02:02
+perlDreamerwhich means that the Calendar Import bug (actually 5 bugs) is fixed02:06
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12005 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix iCal end day date arithmetic.02:09
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12006 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Forward porting Event iCal end day date math fix.02:09
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12007 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix iCal import. When there is no end time, one day needs to be subtracted from the endDate.02:09
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12008 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Forward porting iCal end day date math fix.02:09
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: yeah, that's what I am starting to think.02:45
+perlmonkey2The centos drama spooked me.  Guess I should ahve waited.02:45
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+perlDreamerIt _was_ kind of creepy.  He could have pwn'ed anyone with CentOS.02:51
* SDuensin cheers for iCal import!02:51
+perlDreamerI assume the check's in the mail, SDuensin? ;)02:52
SDuensinHey man, I didn't break it to begin with.  :-P02:53
+perlDreamerNote to all, I have a dinner date with Mrs. Dreamer tonight, so I'll be gone most of the evening.02:53
SDuensinTo answer the earlier Fedora/Ubuntu question...  I can't stand RPM!02:53
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: I was wondering about that pwnage.  Do you think he has the repo keys?  Does he just get to place packages in the repo without review?02:56
+perlDreamerafaik, he just owns the domain and admins the server.02:57
+perlDreamerwhich means he could hijack them, and point them anywhere02:57
+perlDreamerwhich is better than unsupervised commits02:57
+perlmonkey2hmm, maybe I should go price RHEL :P02:58
+perlDreamereh, I'll stick with CentOS02:59
+perlDreamernothing has happened yet02:59
+perlDreamerand I don't do automated updates02:59
* perlDreamer is outta here.02:59
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: holy moly, no wonder RHEL is now in the SP500.  Have you looked at those prices?03:00
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: have fun at dinner.03:00
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12009 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Backporting CodeArea resize fix.03:14
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perigrinpreaction: http://search.cpan.org/dist/DBIx-Class-DynamicSubclass/lib/DBIx/Class/DynamicSubclass.pm06:03
@preactionnice06:08
@preactioni like this FrozenColumns thing too06:08
* perigrin has heard mst rant about it a few too many times to like it06:10
perigrinbut it's basically what KiokuDB does for *everything* in its DBI backend so I can't complain too loudly06:10
@preactioni like it only because we seem to have a hard-on for serializing shit06:38
@preactionwhich is a pain in the ass for me06:38
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perigrinYou should look at KiokuDB :)07:07
perigrinit's a fun kind of Evil :)07:07
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CIA-53wgdev: Graham Knop master * r5fb4fa8 / (lib/WGDev/Command/Db.pm lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm): POD cleanups - http://bit.ly/KOHr213:03
CIA-53wgdev: Graham Knop master * rdb8976c / (21 files in 3 dirs): more POD cleanups - http://bit.ly/14SIkS13:03
CIA-53wgdev: Graham Knop master * rdfc3c9d / lib/WGDev/Command/Ls.pm : Merge commit 'pdonelan/master' - http://bit.ly/xmVYA13:03
CIA-53wgdev: Patrick Donelan master * r69a76a5 / lib/WGDev/Command/Test.pm : 13:03
CIA-53wgdev: Added coverOptions switch to test command13:03
CIA-53wgdev: The coverOptions switch allows users to customize the options passed13:03
CIA-53wgdev: to Devel::Cover.13:03
CIA-53wgdev: For example, if you want to get a coverage report of custom code with13:03
CIA-53wgdev: wg code excluded from the report, you could do something like:13:03
CIA-53wgdev:  wgd test -C cover_db --coverOptions='+ignore,/data/WebGUI' t -r - http://bit.ly/AkiCD13:03
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+bartjolmmm, would it be interesting if my wre build works on ubuntu 9.04 to supply that?17:08
+bartjolI don't see the package at sourceforge17:08
+bartjolonly ubuntu 6 server17:08
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+bartjolHaarg, if I have a precompiled ubuntu 9.04 wre package (supposing it does compile) do you want to have that for sourceforge?17:16
@Haargwhat version?17:17
@Haargi don't know why we wouldn't want it17:17
+bartjolok17:17
+bartjolwre 0.9.317:17
@Haargyou'll have to find somewhere to upload it though17:17
+bartjolyeah17:18
+bartjolthat is a problem for later17:18
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+bartjolik won't be done running prolly before I go home17:20
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+perlDreamermorning, folks18:49
+perlDreamerHaarg, I'm going to fix the invalid style template bug, because it affects 7.6 as well as 7.718:50
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12010 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (upgrades/upgrade_7.6.33-7.6.34.pl changelog/7.x.x.txt): Fix a bad style template used by the gallery images folder.19:08
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CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12011 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.7.16-7.7.17.pl): 19:38
CIA-53WebGUI: Forward port gallery images folder style template fix, and also19:38
CIA-53WebGUI: fix the Map templates folder.19:38
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CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12012 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Account/Profile.pm: Remove dead code from Account/Profile.pm20:23
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12013 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account/Profile.pm: Merge dead code removal for Account/Profile.pm20:23
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12014 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.33-7.6.34.pl: Change the upgrade script to always print DONE, whether it does anything or not.20:23
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12015 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 20:23
CIA-53WebGUI: Unify account layout templates to use a similar style.20:23
CIA-53WebGUI: Change CSS to only apply account css rules to account content, instead of global/body content.20:23
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CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12016 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 20:38
CIA-53WebGUI: Unify account layout style.20:38
CIA-53WebGUI: Change CSS to only apply account css rules to account content, instead of global/body content.20:38
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+perlDreamerHaarg: I have a fix for the Opera matrix bug!21:57
@Haargcool21:57
+perlDreamerit really is a YUI bug21:57
+perlDreamerthey assume that String has a trim method21:57
+perlDreamerand apparently in Opera it doesn't21:58
+perlDreamerso, I added String.prototype.trim = function () {...}21:58
+perlDreamerand it works21:59
SDuensinI love how you can mangle JavaScript.  It's the only reason IE ever half-ass worked.  :-)22:05
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+perlDreamerHaarg, are you close to any commits?22:11
@Haargno22:11
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12017 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (www/extras/wobject/Matrix/matrix.js docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): 22:12
CIA-53WebGUI: Work around a YUI bug with string trim function. This affects repainting22:12
CIA-53WebGUI: in Opera on the DataTable.22:12
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12018 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 22:12
CIA-53WebGUI: Forward porting Matrix compare/search button fix. This is a workaround22:12
CIA-53WebGUI: for a YUI bug, where it assumes that Opera will provide a string trim function.22:12
+perlDreamerThen I'm going to try a release.22:12
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+perlDreamertavisto :)23:19
+perlDreamerhow 'bout them cmsmatrix bugs, huh?23:19
@tavistoyeah I saw you smoked the one23:23
@tavistostupid Opera23:23
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12019 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/create.sql: Preparing for 7.6.34 release.23:23
+perlDreamernow if I could figure out the other one with the version tags...23:23
+perlDreamerhow do users create a version tag on the site for you to approve?23:24
@tavistoyeah and if you could work your magic so that the search function only returns matching CMS products23:24
@tavistoThey add a new CMS product to the matrix, or submit a news story on the homepage CS23:24
+perlDreamerif they submit it, can they delete their own, too?23:25
@tavistonot sure, I wouldn't think so23:26
@tavistowhat would be the interface for them to do that? They aren't admins23:26
+perlDreameryeah23:26
+perlDreamerbut the idea of version tags just disappearing off the site is disturbing23:26
@tavistoyeah I know23:26
+perlDreamerhow about some good news, then.  Any recent big wins?23:27
+SynQhmm23:43
+SynQI'm looking forward to the WUC allready23:43
+SynQit 7.6.34 going to be released today?23:44
+perlDreameryes, SynQ23:46
+SynQnice23:46
+perlDreamerchock full of bug-fixing goodness23:46
+SynQI'm getting in the good habit of updating all my stable servers within 8 days after a release23:47
+perlDreamerHaarg: what is a good WRE place to put spectre PID files?23:47
+SynQis spectre getting a pid file?23:48
+SynQnice23:48
@preaction/data/wre/var23:48
+SynQnot in the stable version I hope23:48
+perlDreameryes23:48
+perlDreamerhad to be done23:48
+SynQperlDreamer: /data/wre/var/run 23:48
+perlDreamerwre does not have a var/run, SynQ23:48
+perlDreamermaybe you could fix that little problem?23:48
@Haargvar/logs i guess23:48
+SynQI could fix that23:49
+SynQbut then we would have to release a new WRE version23:49
@Haargi don't love the idea, but that's what we're doing for apache23:49
+SynQwhich is why I would say put that PID file into beta23:49
+SynQbut if it must be done23:50
+SynQindeed23:50
+SynQput it in /data/wre/var23:50
@Haargis the pid file in this release perlDreamer?23:50
+perlDreameryes23:50
+SynQI would say put a comment into the gotcha file23:50
+SynQand make the PID file configurable in spectre.conf23:51
@Haargi think it would be reasonable to leave it for beta since it's not a huge bug.23:51
+perlDreamerthere is a comment in the gotcha file, and it's configurable in the conf file23:51
+perlDreamerand I just finished upgrading 23:51
+SynQthen before you can continue with this upgrade you have to put it into spectre.conf manually23:51
+perlDreameryes23:52
+SynQI would recommend to create a /data/wre/var/run directory23:52
+SynQand put all .pid files in there23:52
+SynQcurrently modperl.pid and modproxy.pid are in /data/wre/var/logs23:53
+perlDreamerSynQ, I'll find the guy who does WRE development, and assign him that task23:56
+SynQah23:56
+SynQgood plan23:56
+perlDreamerdo you happen to know who he is? :)23:56
+perlDreamerI think you may be wearing his pants23:56
+SynQwho would that be? 23:56
+SynQ:P23:56
+perlDreamerhe is a very nice fellow.  Very smart, very sociable.23:57
+SynQvery manipulative also23:57
+perlDreamerreally?23:57
+SynQand open to flattering23:57
+SynQbut go ahead23:58
+SynQI am officially 'on holliday leave'23:59
+SynQI hope Tessa will give me some time off from holliday to work on my WUC presentation and on the WRE23:59
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+perlDreamerI need to work on my slides, too.00:02
+perlDreamerPerhaps Emma can help?00:03
+perlDreamerI'm sure by now you've taught her some basic Unix commands00:03
+SynQuh00:05
+perlDreamerI/O redirection00:06
+perlDreamerBash00:06
@Haargi haven't started my slides yet, but i only have a really short thing to do and it is about wgdev so it will be easy to write00:06
+SynQwhat she sais sounds like the output of 'cat /bin/bash | /dev/audio'00:06
+SynQslides?00:06
+SynQyou are using slides?00:06
+SynQI was thinking of a strip-act :P00:06
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12020 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.34-stable: Release 7.6.34-stable00:08
+perlDreamerokay, safe to commit now00:13
* perlDreamer waits expectantly for a flood of bug fixing commits...00:14
@preactionwow. if I want "spla.tt" it is $1000 for two years :(00:14
+perlDreameroy00:15
* preaction needs a cool domain to host some webgui listservs00:15
+perlDreamerhow about splu.tt ?00:15
+perlDreameror lackof.info ?00:15
@preactionha: i.lack.info00:16
@preactionyou.love.us00:16
+perlDreamerand the affiliated sites00:16
+perlDreameru.lack.info00:16
+perlDreamerwe.lack.info00:16
@preactionparked :(00:16
@preactionbadl.ag00:16
* perlDreamer goes to run some errands00:17
+perlDreamerdon't let that stop the huge influx of bug fixes00:17
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12021 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.6.35 development.00:23
+perlDreamerhm01:05
+perlDreamerseems like we're missing a huge influx of bug fixes01:05
+perlDreamerpreaction: how about webg.ui?01:06
@preactiondoesn't look like .ui is an available name01:09
@preactionperlbot .ui01:09
@preactionperlbot .gs01:10
perlbot.gs is S. Georgia and S. Sandwich Islands01:10
+perlDreamerpreaction: I'm not sure it's going to be possible to extend the RssAspect API to handle generic www methods01:15
+perlDreamerthe good news is that I have your excellent test suite to double check should I assay it01:15
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@preactionperigrin: you around for a question or two about Moose/DBIx::Class and Roles v. Inheritence?04:45
@preactioni'm thinking I want to set up WebGUIx::Asset to automatically set up some DBIx::Class relationships. It seems to me that this would be better done by inheriting.04:45
@preactionover time, more functionality would be shoved into Roles, but WebGUIx::Asset would remain the superclass of all Assets04:46
perigrinI am04:47
perigrinThat seems reasonable.04:47
perigrinDid you see Ovid's notes from his talk in Lisbon today?04:47
@preactionno04:48
perigrinhttp://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/3940404:48
perigrinhttp://chris.prather.org/perl/the-role-of-inheritance/ is my take on it04:50
@preactionhttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m4a7c9c29 <- this is my theoretical basic new asset. anything i can make better?04:50
@preactionthere are relationships set up by WebGUIx::Asset->import() which load the "asset" and "assetData" tables04:50
perigrincareful with the augment/inner ... it is really easy to make a broken API that way04:51
perigrinI did it with XML::Toolkit the first time through04:51
@preactionyeah, i just saw it and i'm mulling it over. it seems logical for style templates, but i dunno04:51
perigrinit makes it hard to override 04:52
perigrinI'm not saying don't... 04:52
perigrinwell I am actually04:52
perigrinbut feel free to ignore moe :)04:52
perigriner me04:52
@preactionheh, it might be a good thing for Roles that need something from the module04:53
@preactionbut even that can be done with "requires" and done better04:53
perigrinyes04:53
perigrinrequires is the way to do that04:53
@preactionbecause the "inner" method is available to be called whenever, without the outer sugar04:53
perigrinactually it wouldn't work with Roles.04:53
perigrina Role couldn't provide the inner()04:53
perigrinonly a subclass can.04:53
@preactionright04:53
@preactionthe order thing04:54
perigrinno the composability thing ... the original papers on Roles have a clause where any implementation of Roles/Traits should be possible to compile away into a standard class 04:54
perigrinthey have a bit more ... real-ness ... in Moose than they do in say Scala 04:55
perigrinbut the ultimate idea is that they're just a part of a class and when the system is run there's no difference from cutting and pasting them into the source.04:55
perigrinthis looks fine for a custom Asset implementation04:56
@preactionbut it's not evil of me to make sub WebGUIx::Asset::import { my $pkg = shift; $pkg->belongs_to( "the asset table"); $pkg->belongs_to( "the assetData table"); }04:57
perigrinhmm04:57
perigrinI might do that in BUILD ... or ask in #dbix-class04:58
perigrinthat's a bit more evil than I feel comfortable rubber stamping :)04:58
perigrinand my DBIC foo fails there04:58
@preactionhttp://desert-island.me.uk:8888/perldoc/dbic-pod/DBIx/Class/Ordered.pod <- sweet, here's lineage and parent/child relationships already set up for me05:12
@preactioni'm not gonna do my evil right now, it can always be added later05:13
perigrinthe owner of that domain wuld be castaway on irc.perl.org06:54
perigrin:)06:54
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+SynQhmm12:16
+SynQthe gotcha.txt could have been a bit more specific at the 'create config for pidfile' line :)12:16
+SynQbut I found out12:16
+bartjolwell, put it in the wiki12:17
+bartjolen webgui.nl ook al aangepasty voor de deomo versie zie ik]12:18
+bartjoloops12:18
+SynQindeed12:39
+SynQdemo.webgui.nl and demobeta.webgui.nl are up-to-date12:39
daviddelikatbartjol: whats 'aangepasty'?13:46
+bartjolchanged13:58
+bartjoldaviddelikat: or adjusted is maybe better13:58
daviddelikatthanks, babelfish didn't have a clue...13:59
+bartjolI jsut enterd some Dutch by accident14:00
+bartjoland I made a type-o14:00
+bartjolit is aangepast14:00
daviddelikatno problem, it livens the place up a abit.!!!14:00
daviddelikatbabelfish needs an interlanguage spell checker14:01
+bartjolthat would be convenient14:01
daviddelikatI supose the more languages you add, the more likely any set of characters in a row is a valid word...14:02
+bartjolbut google does give a correction14:02
+bartjolat least 10 more people made the type-o14:03
+bartjolwith the t and the y next to each other, I can imagine14:03
daviddelikatwhere did you get the correction?14:04
daviddelikatI just typed it into google translate and it just fed the word back14:04
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+bartjoljust in a normal google search14:05
+bartjolthen it suggests aangepast14:05
+bartjolbut maybe because I'm in the Netherlands14:06
daviddelikatno i get that too14:06
+bartjolI get redirected to the dutch page14:06
daviddelikatI also get lots of other stuff from your neck of the woods14:06
+bartjol?14:07
+bartjolwhat kind of stuff14:07
daviddelikatwikitionary with a bunch of dutch translation info14:07
daviddelikatand a website named aangepast-lezen.nl14:08
daviddelikatthen  a list of places where it is miss-spelled14:08
daviddelikatall dutch text14:08
+bartjolmm, I don't get the wikitionary14:09
+bartjolwell aangepast seems to be an exclusive dutch word14:09
CIA-53wgdev: Patrick Donelan exceptions * r69a76a5 / lib/WGDev/Command/Test.pm : 15:18
CIA-53wgdev: Added coverOptions switch to test command15:18
CIA-53wgdev: The coverOptions switch allows users to customize the options passed15:18
CIA-53wgdev: to Devel::Cover.15:18
CIA-53wgdev: For example, if you want to get a coverage report of custom code with15:18
CIA-53wgdev: wg code excluded from the report, you could do something like:15:18
CIA-53wgdev:  wgd test -C cover_db --coverOptions='+ignore,/data/WebGUI' t -r - http://bit.ly/JaqJY15:18
CIA-53wgdev: Graham Knop exceptions * r7577273 / lib/WGDev/Command/Test.pm : Merge branch 'master' into exceptions - http://bit.ly/17WTTw15:18
CIA-53wgdev: Graham Knop exceptions * r5433d3f / (16 files in 7 dirs): 15:18
CIA-53wgdev: Updated tests for new code.15:18
CIA-53wgdev: Also fixes an number of bugs found by tests. - http://bit.ly/4wmPHw15:18
daviddelikatHaarg: can you point me to some WG code for testing a function that requires a login?15:21
@HaargWWW::Mechanize style code?15:22
@Haargor just using the api?15:22
daviddelikatsorr, I found it just after I asked...15:22
@Haargno problem15:22
daviddelikatits in _test.skel,mech15:22
daviddelikatteach me to look first ask second15:22
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+SynQah15:28
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@plainhaomorning, peeps15:55
@plainhaoanyone know why adminBar complains about getUiLevel missing from a SKU asset?15:56
+bartjolplainhao: well, it does determine to show or not from theUI level15:57
+bartjolI can understand it needs itr15:58
+bartjoloh, and goodmorning15:58
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+bartjolplainhao: already discovered the problem?16:19
@plainhaoprobably asset incompletely installed16:20
@plainhaothanks, bartjol16:20
+bartjolno problem16:21
daviddelikatHaarg: how do I tell github that an issue is supposed to be tagged as a feature?16:21
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+bartjolmm, where do the default settings from the admin user come from16:51
+bartjolwhen adding a site?16:51
+bartjolor visitor for the same matter16:51
+bartjoli don't see something special in addSite.pl neither a database that is copied16:52
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+bartjolmorning kaleb16:58
+perlmonkey2hello bartjol, how's things?16:58
+bartjolwell, I'm fine16:59
+bartjolmy dual boot works fine, and my webgui on ubuntu too16:59
+perlmonkey2nice16:59
+perlmonkey2what are you dual booting?16:59
+bartjolsome Andre Hazes on the background16:59
+bartjolwindows xp an ubuntu 9.0416:59
+bartjolbut now I want to change a default settin when adding a site17:00
+bartjolso I'm reading code17:00
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+bartjolthat ubuntu is mainly for the wuc, as I don't wanna be dependant on the wireless at the concourse hotel :(17:01
+bartjoland for some nerd credits17:01
+perlmonkey2Diep in mijn hart17:01
+bartjolde koek is op17:01
+bartjolhe was a real man of the people17:01
+bartjoldrank a lot of beer and ate sausages17:02
+bartjola lot of them17:02
+perlmonkey2Barring the language barrier he sounds like a country singer.  17:02
+perlmonkey2The old school type17:02
+bartjolhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgd7okoz8fA17:03
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+bartjolthey actually seem to eat all the three trays of sausages17:04
+perlmonkey2hah17:05
+perlmonkey2They looked like large enough fellows to do it 17:05
+bartjolhe was, actually, the same as for Michael and Elvis, he still lives17:05
+perlmonkey2They share the same UFO?17:05
+bartjolbut do you know where the user preferences for languages are stored (so the setting for adding a site)17:06
+bartjolUFO? maybe17:06
+perlmonkey2no idea where those preferences are stored.17:08
+bartjolwell, it is not a dumb question then...17:08
daviddelikatis it possible that they are part of the database create script?17:09
+bartjolyeah, I'm searching17:09
+bartjollet's have a look17:09
daviddelikatI found the insert for the group17:12
daviddelikatand for Admin user17:14
+bartjolah17:14
+bartjolit looks like create.sql17:14
+bartjolin WebGUI/docs17:14
daviddelikatwhat do you need to change?17:14
+bartjolthe language17:17
+bartjolwe have a dutch demo site17:17
+bartjoldemobeta.webgui.nl17:17
+bartjolaaah17:21
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+bartjolmmm, so this will break during an upgrade17:23
+bartjolthat's a pity17:23
daviddelikatperhaps there is part of the demo create that could be made to change it for you17:24
+bartjolwell, I can change the sql file that is used, but also that will be changed during upgrade17:24
+bartjolwell, maybe only during wre upgrade17:25
+bartjolaah, indeed17:25
daviddelikatI have an ide, I'll get back to you17:25
daviddelikats/ide/idea/17:26
+bartjolbut, since it is the beta demo, assets get added, so it is better to change the sql file17:26
+bartjolcool17:28
daviddelikatthe easy way would be to change WRE to update the Admin user inside WRE::Site::create17:30
daviddelikatthat way you would only loose it on WRE Upgrades like you said17:30
daviddelikatthe hard way would be to mod the WRE to allow plugins during site create 17:31
+bartjolyeah, create an alternate create.sql and use that in the wre17:31
daviddelikatand then you could plugin the change you like and it would never go away.17:31
+bartjolwell, especially when newe tables are created in webgui itself17:31
daviddelikatno need to change the create sql17:31
daviddelikatjust a simple update after the create runs17:32
+bartjolaah like that17:32
+bartjolupdate userProfileData set language="Dutch" where userId="1" or userId="3";17:33
daviddelikatanother option which would be middle ground would be tro mod the WRE to allow for a language to be configured17:33
daviddelikatexactly17:33
+bartjolthat choice would be awsome17:33
daviddelikatpersonally I'd go for the plugin17:34
daviddelikatbecause it is most versatile17:34
daviddelikatcan you make the change for the simple update?17:34
@plainhaobartjol, the sku asset was using a missing cpan module17:37
+bartjolsure, I can work that out daviddelikat17:38
+bartjolmaybe not today17:38
daviddelikatplainhao: what module was missing?17:38
@plainhaowell, this particular one was using JSON::Any, so i just installed it, it's not a core sku17:38
daviddelikatbartjol: ok, I'm going to bring up the ideas to JT and others for consideration17:38
mducharmeif you wanted a site to automatically get certain templates and assets when it was created, would those have to go into the create.sql file?17:38
+bartjolcool17:39
+bartjolwell, if it standard, there should be a coupling between the i18n site and the wre17:39
+bartjol"choose which languages you want to install"17:39
+bartjoland during adding a site "choose admin and visitor language"17:40
+bartjolit is not that hard to install a language17:40
+bartjoland since there are only 2 languages complete17:40
+bartjolthat might be a function that promises a lot and brings too little17:41
+bartjolnot that I can help it, Dutch translation is finished17:41
daviddelikatmducharme: that too could go into the WRE::Site::create17:41
daviddelikatbut that would be a good support for adding a plugin system17:41
mducharmedaviddelikat: because we are a school division kinda, wanting to do website hosting for our schools.. I wanted to make a template site, like the webgui default one, but customized for a school's needs...17:42
+bartjolwell the currnet poll is abou the templates from the bazaar17:42
daviddelikatmducharme: the simple thing would be to insert code into WRE::site::create that would install the packages after everything else is done.17:44
daviddelikatyou could also disable or modify any other options to get the site to do exactly what you want. ( apart from style which I think you can already specify )17:45
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daviddelikatas a plugin, you would create modules for the bits you want to change and insert them into the WRE code area17:47
+bartjolwell, I added a forum post18:05
+bartjolnot an rfe yet18:05
+bartjolmmm, how many different threads are there on the fora on the new site?18:17
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+bartjolhey, it's tha man!, goodmorning18:44
+perlDreamerhowdy, bartjol18:50
+bartjolI finally have a respectable OS on my laptop18:51
+perlDreamerwhich one?18:52
+bartjolubuntu desktop 9.0418:52
+bartjolok ok, it does have a GUI18:53
+bartjoland irritating sounds at starup18:53
+bartjolbut still18:53
+bartjolthe silence is deafening (which, by chance is also a Napalm death song)18:56
* perlDreamer is stunned that you didn't pick Fedora :)18:56
+bartjolwell, the day that all nerds agree on the best linux distro will also be the day that the universe collapses18:57
+bartjolwell I have debian experience18:58
+bartjolso I choose to stay close18:58
+bartjolwell, it is time, enjoy yourselves gossiping on bu bad OS choice ;)19:03
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+perlDreamerSynQ: It is in bad taste to file a bug within 24 hours of a release19:12
+perlDreamerit's like not tipping the waiter19:13
@preactioni say we string him up by his toenails19:14
+perlDreamerI haven't been to a toenail stringin' in years!19:15
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12022 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (gotcha.txt changelog/7.x.x.txt): Make the recent spectre gotcha text more user friendly.19:23
+perlDreamerpreaction: I'd like to add an environment variable for gating Mech tests, WEBGUI_LIVE.  You okay with the concept?19:26
@preactionyes, but we might be getting rid of mech tests in favor of selenium tests19:27
@preactionwhich will use a selenium RC on smoke.plainblack.com19:27
+perlDreamerwhy can't we have both?19:27
+perlDreamerno need to rewrite a dozen or more tests19:27
@preactionbecause the mech tests suck19:27
+perlDreamerwell, for offline testing, I still think we need a switch, or ENV variable19:28
@preactionyeah19:28
+perlDreamerHaarg, the YUI bug related to Opera was fixed yesterday!19:34
+perlDreamerfix is scheduled for release in 2.819:34
@Haargnice19:34
@Haargis it something we can backport?19:34
+perlDreamerI was hoping you'd say that :)19:34
+perlDreamerYes it is19:34
+perlDreamerhttp://github.com/yui/yui2/commit/431ad63b4cab6baaeebfd4a399b67aaf8e24fce219:35
+perlDreamerit's a 1 line fix, in several files19:35
+perlDreamerooohhhh.  I like the looks of Test::LongString19:43
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@preactionHaarg, perlDreamer: have we installed daviddelikat's helpdesk changes yet? Any reason why I can't do that today or tomorrow?20:15
+perlDreamerI haven't installed them20:15
+perlDreamerWe were delaying due to template worries20:15
@preactionah20:16
+perlDreamerNeed to make sure that the site templates are folded back into the core HelpDesk ones20:16
+perlDreamerhm, testing this XML encoding stuff is difficult20:17
+perlDreamerXML::Simple decodes the entities that I want to compare against20:18
+perlDreamerand there doesn't appear to be a way to turn it off20:18
perigrintry XML::LibXML::Simple ?20:30
+perlDreamerperigrin, adding new libraries to WebGUI is a non-trivial process20:40
+perlDreameralthough I do get more latitude in tests...20:40
perigrinperlDreamer: ahh I didn't see this was going into WebGUI 20:41
perigrinXML::Simple is a horrible way to parse XML though :)20:41
+perlDreamerno disagreement there20:42
+perlDreamerit's also a horrible way to encode XML20:42
+perlDreamerMaybe we should have a WebGUI 8 goal of embracing and using top of class modules20:42
@preactioni agree with that, starting with DBIx::Class20:43
@preactionand Moose20:43
* perlDreamer hands preaction a petard20:43
perigrin*cough*Task::Kensho*cough*20:43
* perigrin is biased 20:43
@preactionyou don't have Test::Deep in there?20:44
perigrinI think it's a dep for something else 20:44
perigrinbut it should be in there and will be in the next release20:45
perigrin:)20:45
+perlDreamersome people like Test::Differences better than Test::Deep20:45
perigrinTask::Kensho is much more controlled by my whim than Task::EPO-EC will be20:46
perigrinI'll ask the EPO-EC advisors about Test::Differences vs Test::Deep20:47
+perlDreamerI like how Test::Differences does diff's against strings20:48
+perlDreamerbut I like Test::Deep's structure comparison tools better20:48
perigrincould there be a unification somewhere?20:49
+perlDreamerperhaps, but they have different "core values"20:49
+perlDreamerT::Deep is really for objects/data structures, and does it well20:50
+perlDreamerT::Diff seems to be more about differences in strings, rather than data structures20:50
+perlDreameralthough it will do them as well20:50
+perlDreamerbut I don't think you can easily tell T::Diff: Only consider these keys, array elements and classes20:51
+perlDreamerthat's where T::Deep shines20:51
+perlDreamerand a strong amount of the above is just my opinion, and lack of experience with T::Diff20:53
perigrinI've never used it ... so I'll have to rely upon others to vouch for it20:57
perigrinI really need to get myself organized and build a Task::EPO-EC dist20:57
@preactioni like Test::Deep because it can test a huge data structure all at once, no matter what it contains20:57
@preactionyou can make sure a value matches a regular expression, doesn't match some other regular expression, is unique in the array, and has a method that returns a certain value all at once20:58
* perigrin nods ... uses it to test large ass report strucutres20:59
perigrinI think Moose uses it too ... and there are examples in teh Moose test suite for setting up TypeConstraints with it.20:59
* perlDreamer goes to the gym21:01
* Socrates goes to the fridge21:01
* perlDreamer would like to join Socrates21:01
Socrates:)21:01
+perlDreamerwhatcha got in there?21:01
Socratesgrolsch ofcourse21:02
Socratesbut i think i'm gonna get a diet coke, it's not weekend yet after all21:02
+perlDreamerhm, grolsch has no sugar, or fat21:02
+perlDreamerand it has alcohol, which in limited amounts is beneficial to the digestion and liver21:02
+perlDreamersounds like health food to me!21:03
Socratestry doing a run on the treadmill and stuffing a beer in the cupholder, see what the reactions of ppl at the gym are :)21:03
Socratesbut it's health food!21:03
perigrinnot nearly as nice as they are when it's a fifth of jack21:03
Socratesurgh, jack, that's only good enough to clean the windows with...21:04
Socratesoban, lagavullin, or laphroaigh21:04
perigrinTalisker.21:04
Socrateshmmm talisker is ok too21:04
* perigrin has been to the Talisker distillery ... and past the Dalwhinny and Glen Moraigne21:05
perigrinunfortunately always on a sunday.21:05
Socratesperigrin: pitch a tent and wait :)21:05
perigrinI had to work on mondays 21:06
Socrateshmm, all this talk of whisky, i'm gonna get a glass21:07
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+perlmonkey2oh sweetness!  HTML5 video: http://en-us.www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.5.2/whatsnew/22:47
+SynQperlDreamer: are you still around?23:04
+SynQI would rather see it as a compliment that I filed the bug directly23:05
+SynQmore like tipping the waiter23:05
+SynQplus, I included the fix right away23:05
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+SynQo dear23:13
+SynQnow I have to react to JT's post about the new style23:13
@preactioni like the new nav, it works for me now that i'm used to it23:13
+SynQi agree23:13
@preactionwhen i'm a content manager, i go to Use. when i'm a server admin, i go to Admin, when i'm developing, i go to Develop23:14
mducharme-worknew style?23:14
+SynQthere are some points made by 'Trex' who is a newcomer for me23:14
@preactionwebgui.org's new design and layout23:14
+SynQthat need to be adressed23:14
+SynQand that haven't23:14
+SynQsearch is not working well23:14
+SynQit's hard to 'keep up with what is new'23:14
mducharme-workI'd like it a bit better if it worked with firefox 2.x...23:14
@preactionthose are technical hurdles that we can overcome23:15
mducharme-workeverything looks wonky when I go to webgui.org with firefox 2.x..23:15
+SynQmducharme-work: I find backward compatibility not an issue23:15
+SynQpreaction: but they should be adressed23:15
+SynQand when someone brings them up in a forum post they should be adressed there too23:15
@preactionyes, especially re: the bazaar and the wiki23:15
@preactionthe problem is time, we don't have it. we want to have it, and that may be the best topic of discussion during the pres' meeting is how everyone can chip in for webgui.org23:16
@preactionwell, at least a good topic23:16
mducharme-workhrm23:17
mducharme-workthe home page is taller than it was before23:17
mducharme-workthere are now three menus one above the other "cms resources" "plain black corporation" and "webgui features"23:17
@preactionyeah, and the dashboard is apparently getting overhauled or something along those lines to provide a nice home page23:18
mducharme-workwith a big blank white space to the right23:18
mducharme-workahh in IE there are side by side, I guess it's another display problem..23:19
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+perlDreamerSynQ: as usual, I'm just teasing about the bug ;)23:37
+SynQgo ahead23:37
+SynQtease23:37
+SynQI'll bite23:37
* perlDreamer wonders why we can't still have unified forums and wikis, and just link to nice landing pages for each one from subject specific areas.23:39
+SynQperlDreamer: I say join in23:40
+SynQand reply to the discussion23:40
+SynQbut I advise you to wait for 30 more minutes23:40
+perlDreamerit's what I said in the bug23:40
+SynQas I post mine23:40
+perlDreamergotcha23:40
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mducharme-workI really do not understand the current wiki implementation23:49
mducharme-workwebgui itself is really very much like a wiki23:50
+perlDreamermducharme-work: It is, but keyword based autolinking, comments on every page, and other features are not so desirable across the board.23:51
+perlDreameralso, Wiki's are flat (currently)23:51
+SynQok23:52
+SynQsubmitted :)23:52
+SynQhttp://www.webgui.org/develop/forum/new-site-navigation23:52
mducharme-workit could be an option for articles to enter them in wiki formatting instead of WYSIWYG.. it could be parsed and linked to the appropriate pages when camelcase...23:55
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mducharme-workif there was the ability to do articles with wiki codes, there would probably not be a need for a wiki wobject.....00:10
+perlDreameryou also need the tag cloud00:11
+perlDreamercomments00:11
+perlDreamerit's almost a wiki replacement00:11
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mducharme-workthe comments could be a property that could be turned off or on...00:18
mducharme-workand the tag cloud could be accomplished by using metadata...00:19
mducharme-workor by making a new property00:19
mducharme-workI just don't understand the logic behind the way it is currently designed.......00:23
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12023 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Force template based Gallery RSS feeds to encode XML entities.00:24
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12024 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt gotcha.txt): Forward port more descriptive gotcha text.00:24
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CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12025 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm t/HTML.t): Extend WebGUI::HTML::filter to also do encode XML entities.00:55
+SynQhow do you like www.webgui.nl ?01:02
+perlDreamerit needs gears ;)01:03
+SynQuh huh01:03
+SynQit couldn't be more 'texty'01:03
+perlDreamermaybe it needs  purple octopus01:06
+SynQperhaps01:07
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+SynQsomewhere small01:10
+perlDreameryes, unobtrusive and present01:10
+perlDreamerkind of like test writers01:10
+SynQunobtrusive?01:12
+SynQtest writers are always very obtrusive are they not?01:12
+perlDreamerI find they talk too much.01:13
+SynQboth irl and on irc?01:13
+perlDreamerat least on irc01:15
+SynQhehe01:18
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12026 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Forward port XML encoding for template based RSS feeds in the Gallery.01:24
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SDuensinGrrr...  No pidFile specified in spectre.conf02:17
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+perlDreamerread the gotchas file, SDuensin02:28
SDuensinWasn't in the one I just downloaded, perlDreamer   :-P02:29
SDuensinI did find it in the bug tracker.  Commented on it.02:29
+perlDreamernot in the gotchas file?02:29
SDuensinI'll double-check.02:30
+perlDreamerhttp://gist.github.com/16304302:30
SDuensinThat's what I got.02:30
+perlDreamerso, it _was_ in the gotchas?02:33
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CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12027 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/gotcha.txt: Remove WRE specific path from example spectre.pid file.02:46
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12028 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: More gotcha refinement.02:46
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+perlDreamerI hate the 5:30 shutdown03:17
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+perlDreamerhow in the world do you get versionTags that don't match any assets?03:56
@Haargyou can certainly manually create a version tag, but i doubt people do that very often03:58
+perlDreamerI've been looking at: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/1031603:58
+perlDreamerCMSmatrix missing version tag bug03:58
+perlDreamerevery asset has a version tag in the assetVersionTag table03:59
+perlDreamerbut there are 4000 tags in assetVersionTag that don't belong to any asset03:59
+perlDreameras determined by select tagId from assetVersionTag where tagId not in (select distinct(tagId) from assetData);04:00
+perlDreameronly other thing I can think of is to start mining the inbox table for pending commit messages, and start checking them one by one to see what's up04:01
+perlDreamerlooking for some kind of pattern as to why they contain assets that don't exist04:01
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CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12029 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: Remove debug.05:25
@preactionperlDreamer: the asset got deleted before the workflow finished perhaps?05:26
+perlDreamerI thought of that, but that would require action by an admin.05:27
@preactionthe user can delete their own posts maybe?05:29
@preactioni know we have that problem on the alumni site, users can delete their own photos (by design)05:29
@preactionbut the workflow remains05:29
+perlDreamerthat's unfortunate05:29
@preactionthough the version tag doesn't remain05:29
@preactionyeah, what's unfortunate is that i proposed a fix and it didn't get implemented05:29
@preactionbecause how do you stop a workflow mid-run?05:30
@preactioncleanly and safely?05:30
+perlDreameryou delete the instance, using spectre notify?05:31
@preactionwhat if it was in the middle of doing something?05:31
@preactionand had to return WAITING so that it got run again?05:31
* perlDreamer isn't familiar enough with spectre to know how it would react in that situation05:31
@preactionit would stop in the middle, with something half-done05:32
+perlDreamerbut if the versionTag goes away, you don't want it to do anything anymore05:32
@preactionbut if it's about to leave my data in an inconsistent state, i don't want it to do that05:33
+perlDreamerin what case is there persistent data in an asset that is being deleted/purged?05:33
+perlDreamerin this case, we're talking about articles, posts, gallery pictures05:34
@preactioni don't know, and i don't even remember what reasoning JT gave me for why I couldn't fix it05:34
+perlDreamerI see.  sorry for the third party arguing05:35
+perlDreamerthat's awkwad05:35
+perlDreamerawkward05:35
* perlDreamer takes a break to play with Tim, and to reflect on the problem.05:36
@preactionit might not be that, something else might be happening05:38
@preactionperhaps the revision is being purged but not the version tag?05:38
+perlDreamerdoesn't sound like this bug06:21
+perlDreamerhttp://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/1031606:21
+perlDreamerhm, if he sees the screen, and it lists the assets, then they must exist06:30
+perlDreamerbut when he clicks on a link to see them, it says Page not found06:30
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+perlDreamerpreaction: it's in the trash07:21
+perlDreameruncommitted posts in the trash07:26
+perlDreamernow, let's see if I can duplicate that07:26
+perlDreameron a dev site07:26
+perlDreamertomorrow07:26
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CIA-53webgui: Patrick Donelan thingy_defaultView_maxEntries * r4ddf856 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm : Minor tweak to reduce diff with 7.7.16-beta - http://bit.ly/1Khew10:10
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+SynQhmm12:56
+SynQwho would like to hire half of a two node cluster based in chicago? :P12:57
+SynQfor $750 a month13:00
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SquOnkHi everyone16:45
SquOnkSmall bug...16:45
SquOnkLine 76 of spectre16:45
SquOnk"Unable to open ... for writing" should be " ... for reading" 16:45
SquOnkDitto for line 8016:45
SquOnk(This is 7.6.34)16:46
+BartJoldid you report it?16:49
SquOnkBartJol: Nope, just noticed it while doing other things16:49
+BartJolah16:50
SquOnkI'm fixing the Debian package now that webgui properly uses a /var/run/spectre.pid... while looking at spectre's code it became obvious ;-)16:50
+BartJolmmm, I'm trying to set up my voip phone16:51
Socratesand you failed!16:58
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CIA-53WebGUI: amhhenry * r12039 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed version tag modes bug #1068917:29
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+BartJolluckily, I'm better at replacing bike tyres18:22
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+perlDreamerSquOnk!19:14
+perlDreamerjust the fellow that I needed to talk to19:14
SquOnkperlDreamer: Howdy19:14
+perlDreamerhow do you pick versions of perl modules to use for the debian package?19:14
SquOnkperlDreamer: Unless there's a need for a specific version, just naming it in control (if I understand what you're asking ;-)19:16
+perlDreameryeah, I was vague19:16
SquOnkperlDreamer: I'll give two examples...19:16
+perlDreameryesterday, we decided that beta needs to track the perl modules in the latest WRE19:17
SquOnkperlDreamer: There's only one version of Color::Calc in Debian, so I have libcolor-calc-perl19:17
SquOnkperlDreamer: But there are several versions of Class::InsideOut. The one in Etch is too old to be useful, so I restrict to the newer ones having libclass-insideout-perl (>= 1.06)19:18
SquOnkperlDreamer: APT takes care of the rest.19:18
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SquOnkperlDreamer: Every time I update the package, I run testEnvironment to assess new requirements19:18
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+perlDreamerokay, that makes sense19:18
+perlDreamerthis is the URL to the latest URL for testEnvironment.pl, which will be used when 7.7 becomes stable19:19
SquOnkperlDreamer: Sometimes they are valid (like needing a specific version) so I go and check if the specific version or an older one is available.19:19
+perlDreamerhttps://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/checkout/WebGUI/sbin/testEnvironment.pl?rev=1203519:19
SquOnkperlDreamer: Sometimes they're not valid. For instance, checkEnvironment wants some module at versión X, Debian has version Y (Y < X), but after comparing those versions there's no functional difference.19:20
SquOnkperlDreamer: So I ignore checkEnvironment complaint :-)19:20
+perlDreamercool.  I just don't you to be surprised when there's a whole new raft of requirements19:20
+perlDreamerthere was a bug posted about particular versions of DBD-mysql and DBI19:20
SquOnkperlDreamer: I see.19:21
+perlDreamerthey were greater than our minimum requirements, and so were technically valid19:21
+perlDreamerso we decided to make the requirements those that we test with all the time, based on the WRE19:21
SquOnkperlDreamer: And that would be a sound decision.19:21
SquOnkperlDreamer: If it works, don't fix it.19:21
+perlDreameryes, so long as we don't make your job a living nightmare :)19:22
SquOnkperlDreamer: Not at all19:22
SquOnkperlDreamer: In fact, I'm working so the Debian package becomes as useful as the WRE.19:23
SquOnkperlDreamer: The next package (7.6.34) due this weekend, will have additional indexing tools enabled (for PDF, OO files and the like).19:23
SquOnkperlDreamer: And since spectre now uses /var/run, the init script won't be the hack I came up with, but an LSB-based Debian standard (so it becomes splash screen compliant ;-)19:24
+perlDreamerthat's good19:24
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SquOnkbbl - errands19:30
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+perlDreamerHaarg: re the new i18n downloads bug, is there any reason we couldn't drop the extra subdirectory in the tarfile?19:49
+perlDreamerhttp://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/1073019:49
+perlDreamerI know this issue has come up before19:49
+perlDreamerI don't remember the justificiation for current behavior19:49
@Haargwe could.  it's generally considered bad form to have a tarball extract to the current directory though.19:50
@Haarginstead of a subdirectory19:50
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+perlDreamerI see where that makes sense for source code, but I think this users's perspective is that it should unpack right into lib/WebGUI/i18n19:56
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Socratesurgh, do NOT extract to current dir from tarbal please20:48
Socratesnot that i have anything to say about it from a webgui standpoint, but as a systems admin i just hate it when that happens20:48
Socratesbecause you always want to extract and see what it is in your home dir, and i hate it when that suddenly fills up with stuff i didn't want there :)20:49
+perlDreamersounds like a procedural issue20:52
+perlDreamermaybe we should just recommend that people use --strip-components20:53
Socratesif i unpak file 'myname.tar.gz' i assume it'll unpack to the directory myname/*20:53
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+perlDreamerthat would make everyone happy20:54
+perlDreamerinstructions on how to skip it when installing20:54
+perlDreamerbut a "well-mannered" tar file20:54
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@preactionHaarg: what isn't safe about using "wgd import" on a production system? i'm thinking of writing some wrappers using "export" and "import" to create diffs and apply patches21:04
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CIA-53WebGUI: amhhenry * r12040 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed version tag modes bug #1068921:11
+perlDreamerNice work, AMH_henry!21:14
+perlDreamerIt even comes with tests!21:14
AMH_henrywlc21:15
+perlDreamerI'll backport that to 7.6, and then the bug can be closed21:15
AMH_henryfix is committed to 7.6 too21:15
AMH_henryactually, i did 7.6 first21:16
+perlDreameryou did.21:17
+perlDreamerIts odd that CIA didn't catch that21:17
AMH_henryit did.. the fix was committed a few hours ago21:18
* perlDreamer considers some caffiene21:19
AMH_henryNeeded time to setup a 7.7 virtual machine for testing. 21:19
* AMH_henry need to get some sleep... it's already 2 am!21:22
+perlDreamerthanks again, AMH_henry21:22
+perlDreamercrash out21:22
AMH_henrywlc. see ya later21:22
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+perlDreamerIf I want to create a javascript event, do I have to use YUI.Event to do that?21:37
@preactioncreate a new event to add a listener to?21:39
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+perlDreamerI need something that works like onDOMready, so I can toggle off TinyMCE22:29
+perlDreameronload is too early22:31
@preactionwhat about on dom ready?22:31
@Haargpreaction, the only thing unsafe about 'wgd import' on a production system is having it on a production system22:33
+perlDreamerpreaction: isn't that a YUI event?  My Javascript book doesn't list that as a default DOM event22:34
@Haargwgd has lots of destructive commands that are really easy to trigger, so it makes me nervous that it would be on a server22:34
@Haargit is a yui event, yes22:35
@Haargonload is too early though?22:35
@preactionperlDreamer: it is a yui event, yes. load yahoo-dom-event22:35
@Haargusually ondomready happens before onload22:35
+perlDreamerI have the new, improved TinyMCE toggle almost all done22:35
@preactiononload is after everything on the page is done loading22:35
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@preactionincluding images22:35
+perlDreamerit's only missing one thing, and that is turning off TinyMCE by default, when "ask" is true22:36
+perlDreamerwhat I really need, is for TinyMCE to tell me when it's done22:36
+perlDreamerand I think I've found it22:36
+perlDreamerinit_instance_callback is a custom callback for each instance after it becomes initialized22:37
+perlDreamerif I can get from the editor instance back to the id of the textarea, that will solve everything22:38
+perlDreamerwill it cause problems if I create the same function multiple times?22:44
+perlDreameroh, that's funny22:48
+perlDreamernow I have a TinyMCE that can never be enabled22:48
+perlDreamerinit_instance_callback happens everytime you enable the editor22:51
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+perlDreamerI got it working!23:21
elninooh. is this wuc time? I'm bummed I'm not there.23:21
+perlDreamerIt's not the WUC yet, elnino.23:23
+perlDreamerNot 'til next month23:23
+perlDreamerHow is your new baby doing?23:25
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+perlDreamerworks on FF on Vista23:31
+perlDreamernow, how 'bout IE?23:31
elninoperldreamer23:32
elninoopps23:32
+perlDreameryes, elnino?23:32
elnino=) baby is doing fine. He's great. 23:32
+perlDreamerawesome!23:32
elninogood eater, good pooper, good sleeper, what else can I ask for?23:32
+perlDreamerself-changing?23:32
elninobig sister loves him too.23:32
@preactioncan program Perl?23:32
elninooh. That would be nice, wouldn't it.23:33
elninothat too.23:33
elninolol23:33
@preactionstart him on computers early23:33
* preaction has been on computers since 223:33
elninopunch cards? 23:33
elninosorry, couldn't resist.23:33
elninoyou're probably my age.23:33
@preactioni'm 26. it was an ACE1000 (an Apple IIe clone)23:34
@preactionalso an Atari ST23:34
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elninooh geez. i'm way older than you.23:35
* elnino sad.23:35
+perlDreamerit works in IE, too23:35
+perlDreamersomething is really wrong23:35
dreamersgirlHi elnino!23:35
dreamersgirlI hear congratulations are in order!!!23:36
elninoyes. Thanks!23:36
dreamersgirlgonna miss you at the WUC this year...23:36
elninooh thanks. I realy had fun meeting you all last year. 23:37
elninoyou all are a fun group. I was bummed I couldn't spend more time with the group. 23:38
* elnino is stepping away.23:39
dreamersgirlit is a fun group23:39
+SynQdreamersgirl: hi!23:39
+SynQI hear you are not coming over the whole wuc23:39
dreamersgirli can only go for friday this year--it's the boys' first week of school23:40
+SynQah23:40
dreamersgirlhi SynQ!23:40
+SynQthat is understandable23:40
dreamersgirlYou'll be there, won't you?23:40
+SynQmost definately23:40
+SynQand I'll bring Bart and Jan23:40
@preactionyay Bart!23:40
@preactionno Rogier?23:41
+SynQrogier is not in my company23:41
+SynQnor is Martin or Rory23:41
@preactionor is that Arjan's minion?23:41
+perlDreamerRogier works for UK23:41
+perlDreamerWho is Jan?23:41
+SynQindeed23:41
+SynQJan is my most senior guy23:41
+SynQI have known him since 1996 and he is a ProcoliX employee since 2005 i think23:42
+SynQnot sure23:42
+SynQhave to look that up23:42
+SynQbut23:43
+SynQI just wanted to say hi to the dreamersgirl :)23:43
dreamersgirl:)  How's your little one doing?23:44
+SynQshe is sleeping just now23:44
dreamersgirlYou'll have to bring pics23:44
+SynQI will23:44
+SynQand video23:44
+SynQshe is doing great btw23:44
+SynQeating fruits and veggies23:44
+perlDreamercan she sing the Badger song yet?23:44
dreamersgirlis she that big already?23:44
dreamersgirlNOooooooooooooooooooo23:44
+SynQ6 months and 4 days23:44
dreamersgirlnot the Badger song23:44
dreamersgirlour boys sang it for months!23:45
+SynQno wait 6 months and 5 days already23:45
+SynQshe cannot sing the badgerbadgerbadgerbadger mushroom song yet23:45
dreamersgirlgive her time...23:45
+SynQbut she can say 'naynaynaynaynay'23:45
+SynQwhen something is not right :)23:46
+perlDreamerwhich editor does she use?23:46
+SynQvi of course23:48
+perlDreamerI knew you'd bring her up right23:52
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+perlDreamerperl 5.10.1 RC1 is out00:46
+perlDreamerthey're asking for testers00:58
+perlDreamerhttp://www.shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/test-the-rc-test-the-rc-test-the-rc/00:58
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12041 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Redo the "ask user about TinyMCE" so that it works on FF on Windows.00:59
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12042 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Forward porting TinyMCE ask user fix for FF browsers on Windows.00:59
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+perlDreamerHaarg, what do you think about passing a callback to Mail::Send instead of second group to check?01:03
+perlDreamerthat way, assets can do complex checks, like canView for sending emails to subscribed users01:04
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+perlDreamermducharme, LDAP relabeling is happening right now02:34
+perlDreamerif you have a chance, please double check things after the next Tuesday release02:35
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@HaargperlDreamer, re: Mail::Send callback, the problem i see with that is that the group expansion happens when the workflow runs, some time after it gets added.  seems like it involve a lot of complexity to set up something that would work well for a callback diven that.04:11
+perlDreamertrue04:24
+perlDreamerpatspam, ping04:33
+patspampong04:33
+perlDreamerI think I'm missing something about your bug04:33
+perlDreamerLet me repeat what I think the problem is, then tell me what I'm missing, okay?04:33
+patspamsure04:33
+perlDreamermy $u1 = WebGUI::User->create($session);04:34
+perlDreamermy $u2 = WebGUI::User->new($session, $u1->userId);04:34
+perlDreamer$u1->profileField('alias', 'Jonesy');04:34
+perlDreamer$u2->profileField('alias', 'Tommy');04:34
+perlDreamermy $u3 = WebGUI::User->new($session, $u1->userId);04:35
+perlDreamerdiag $u3->profileField('alias'); # Tommy04:35
+perlDreamerdiag $u1->profileField('alias'); #Jonesy04:35
+perlDreamerthe problem being that $u1's internal object cache is out of date whenever an duplicate object is created.04:36
+patspamyep, I agree it's reasonable to expect wg to keep checking the db on every object access04:36
+perlDreamerIs that DBIx::Class/Moose kind of behavior?04:37
+patspamnot sure, I haven't used them04:37
+perlDreamerNothing in WebGUI works that way.04:37
+patspambut I think that ORMs like Hibernate would return the same object when you reinstantiate04:37
@preactioni don't think DBIx::Class will do that, unless you explicitly mark it as dirty04:37
+perlDreamerbut which same object?04:38
+patspamsame user object04:38
+perlDreamer$u1, or $u2/$u3?04:38
+patspamthey would all point to same memory address04:38
@preactioni thought we used stow for that04:38
+perlDreamerIn our current design, $u1 has no way of knowing that the db was changed from underneath it04:39
@preactionbecause it's not the exact same object as $u204:40
+perlDreamerWe can ask about that in wG8, but I think the short answer for now is probably going to be "Don't do that"04:40
@preactionbut if you $session->stow->set( "user_" . $userId => $userObject ); and get it on retrieval...04:40
+perlDreamerpreaction: that fixes User, but leaves Asset, Group, VersionTag, ProfileField, ProfileCategory, Ad, AdSpace and every other package with the same problem.04:41
+patspamI was musing that maybe the 8.x memcached implementation will do that for us automaticaly?04:41
+patspamI haven't used it before, but that's something I'd want from an automagic caching layer04:42
+perlDreamerafaik, the only plan for memcached is to replace Cache::File and Cache::Database, not to emulate singleton behavior04:43
+patspamcan you think of any reason why we wouldn't want singleton behaviour though? apart from the pain of implementing it..04:44
+perlDreamermassive memory usage04:45
@Haargi don't think you'd be able to use memcached for that04:45
+perlDreamerI've never seen this happen, patspam.  Can you tell me more about the system that this happens in?04:46
+patspamI'm not sure it'd have to be massive memory usage? if you weaken the object reference in your cache, it would still be garbage collected as per normal when the in-code references go out of scope, and you'd save memory for the $u1, $u2, $u3 situation04:47
+patspamwell, Hibernate is one example from the Java world04:48
+perlDreamerI mean, in what part of WebGUI is this happening?04:49
+perlDreameras to weakening, it seems like you have to keep one copy of any object that has been instanced, in memory all the time.  Until the end of the session.04:50
@preactionno, the copy in the session would disappear when any other pieces of code stop referencing it. causing it to be reloaded from the database04:51
+perlDreameryeah, that's right.04:51
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@Haargpreaction, another thought about wgd on a server: http://github.com/haarg/wgdev/issues#issue/905:24
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12043 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm: Fix some broken i18n, Select in Post.05:30
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12044 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm: Fix broken Post i18n.05:30
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12045 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/AuthLDAP.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Relabel LDAP to use more familiar terms.05:30
+perlDreamerhaving resurrected 1 dead laptop, I'm going to take a break05:32
@preactionHaarg: sounds reasonable05:34
* preaction is writing out the e-mail that will hand everything off to Frank!05:38
@preactionCome Monday I will be on R&D!05:38
@preactionthat means me fixing bugs! yay!05:38
@Haargi just finally got my replacement hard drive so i can fix my desktop05:40
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+perlDreamerKathy upgraded her laptop, and it killed the GRUB install.06:41
+perlDreamerI've been working on and off all day to repair it06:41
@preactionnice06:43
@preactiontime to try Ubuntu!06:43
+perlDreamerno time06:47
+perlDreameryou're coming to R&D just in time to fix some 7.6 bugs :)06:47
+perlDreamerpreaction: as your humble servant, allow me to suggest one for you06:54
@preactioni refuse to fix map bugs06:54
@preactionor calendar bugs06:54
@preactionor gallery bugs06:54
@preactionor any bug in any piece of code i've written06:55
@preactionbecause any bug in any piece of code i've written is obviously a misinterpreted feature06:55
@preactionMIEN CODE DIS PERFECT!06:55
+perlDreamerhm no map, calendar, or gallery bugs...06:56
+perlDreamerhow about this one, then: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/1018906:56
+perlDreamerI already fixed all the posted calendar bugs06:56
+perlDreamerand a handful of gallery bugs06:57
+perlDreamersurely you wouldn't begrudge me 1 leetle gallery bug, too?06:57
@preaction... FINE...06:57
+perlDreamerhttp://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/959506:57
@preactionheh nice06:58
+perlDreameryou'd rather work on the survey IE6 bug?06:58
@preactioni'll probably do what i always do, start from the bottom of the bug list06:58
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+SynQoeh16:44
+SynQpreaction in R&D16:44
+SynQtime to pick up my "let's see how I can break the stable version" hat16:45
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+SynQhmm23:24
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+perlDreamerSynQ: ping05:27
+perlDreamerI really don't think you're on tonight...05:27
+perlDreamerI'd like to test the new perl 5.10.1 release candidate out, against the WRE05:27
+perlDreamerand I was hoping that with your knowledge of the build process you could help me make the process easy.05:28
mducharmewhee.. bathroom renovations finally almost done.. was able to have a shower in my own bathroom for the first time in a few weeks05:29
mducharmethough the contractors accidentally hooked up the hot to the cold and the cold to the hot, almost burned myself05:29
mducharmehopefully that's an easy enough thing to fix05:30
+patspamsomething weird happning with webgui.org passwords06:03
+patspamah, my guess is that the CSRF stuff is preventing password changes from happening06:05
+perlDreamerI don't think I outfitted those with CSRF, but I'll check.06:06
+patspamsubmitted as #1073706:08
+perlDreamerpatspam, in the Account, password changes "seem" to work okay06:09
+patspamno error, but my password doesn't changbve06:09
+perlDreamerMy passwords are working okay06:09
+patspamhmm.. i tried in 3 different browsers too06:10
+perlDreamerbut you're right, on webgui.org, no password changes06:11
+perlDreamerhowever, on my dev site it's working fine06:11
+perlDreamerwhich means that it's not likely to be CSRF06:11
+perlDreamerI'll go mine the webgui.org logs06:11
+patspamah ok, glad you can reproduce it though06:11
+patspamI've just switched over to using LastPass for password management, so I was going through changing all my website passwords to be unique, and got stuck at webgui.org06:11
+patspamthe whole perlmonks thing was a bit of a wake-up call06:12
+perlDreamerit's definitely not CSRF06:12
+perlDreamerI left a little debug snippet to indicate when it's being used06:12
+perlDreamerthis could be related to the other SSO bug06:12
+perlDreamerwhat is LastPass?06:12
+patspamlastpass.com06:13
+patspamthe browser integration is really slick06:13
+perlDreamerhave you checked out 5.10.1 rc1 yet, patspam?06:17
+patspamnot yet, another 3 weeks before i can play with toys again06:18
+perlDreamerin 3 weeks is the WUC06:18
+perlDreamergive or take06:18
+patspamexactly!06:18
+patspamproject handover just before i leave the country06:18
+patspamthen i can get my life back06:18
+perlDreameryou've been quite busy lately06:18
+perlDreamerhaven't seen you hanging in channel much06:19
+patspamyeah, working insane hours atm06:19
+patspamthankfully the end is in sight06:19
+patspamsorry i haven't been able to help more with bugs either, I've only been able to look at ones that impact me directly06:20
+perlDreamerno worries.  We have most of them closed.06:21
+perlDreamerand you've done great on the dual branch maintenance06:21
+perlDreamerany thoughts on what to do for the pre-WUC hackathon?06:23
+patspamas in, what to hack on?06:23
+patspamor organising thing?06:23
+patspams06:23
+perlDreamermore on what to hack on06:26
+perlDreamerseems like with 8-12 uber-WebGUI hackers we could pull off something pretty cool06:26
+patspamyeah, it's going to be so awesome06:26
+patspamif nothing else grabs my attention I'm thinking about hacking on the WebGUI Padre plugin06:26
+perlDreamermaybe we could all chip in, and write the Blog wobject06:27
+perlDreamerthat'd be nice present for the attenders the next day06:28
+perlDreamer'Oh, by the way, yesterday we wrote a Blog wobject for 7.8'06:28
+patspamyeah that'd be cool! I'm heading off for lunch, will chew over other ideas over coffee :)06:30
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12048 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Revision Event storage locations.07:38
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@preactioni'm down with trying to write the Blog asset, provided someone can come up with a spec for it08:11
@preactionwe'd need to be at least Wordpress08:11
@preactionso RssAspect, Comments aspect, Trackbacks, Calendar, and Post-dating08:12
+patspampreaction, if you have a sec, what does this return for you on your wre perl? perl -e 'use JSON; print JSON->backend'09:00
@preactionJSON::XS09:00
+patspamall of a sudden mine has started saying JSON:PP09:01
@preactionweird09:01
+patspamyeah, it totally kills performance for big survey instances09:02
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CIA-53WebGUI: patspam * r12050 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 09:39
CIA-53WebGUI: Survey JSON performance warning for non-wre-standard JSON modules/versions09:39
CIA-53WebGUI: If you have funny combinations of JSON, JSON::XS and JSON::PP installed,09:39
CIA-53WebGUI: JSON can start deciding to use JSON::PP instead of JSON::XS, which equals09:39
CIA-53WebGUI: bad performance on very large Survey instances.09:39
CIA-53WebGUI: This commit adds a new warning to the Edit Survey page if JSON->backend09:39
CIA-53WebGUI: is detected to be something other than JSON::XS.09:39
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+BartJoljoh Synq22:27
+BartJolSynQ: 22:28
+SynQjo :)22:29
+BartJolI didn't enable otr yet on ubuntu22:29
+SynQoh22:29
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+perlDreamerhowdy, folks!00:23
daviddelikathiya00:23
daviddelikatI'm trying to look at your IE JS issue, but my computers are giving me fits...00:24
+BartJolevening00:24
+perlDreamercomputers are wont to do that00:24
+perlDreamerhowdy, BartJol00:25
+perlDreamerRory drinks tall beers00:25
+BartJolhe is?00:25
+perlDreamerthere is photographic evidence!00:25
+BartJolaah00:25
+BartJolwhere can I find that?00:26
+perlDreamerhttp://www.webgui.org/promote/gooey-on-the-go/yapceu-2009-in-lisbon00:27
+BartJolsure that gooey didn't drink those?00:28
+perlDreamerswim in, perhaps00:29
+perlDreamerrory looks nice and all, but I wouldn't chance drinking his beer00:29
+BartJolbecause he will get angry when you take his beer?00:30
+perlDreameroh yeah00:30
+perlDreamerit's the nice looking fellows who are usually the meanest00:30
+perlDreamertake you, for example00:31
+BartJolyeah, they make time for creating evil plans by looking nice and leave people in the dream00:31
+BartJolam I that mena? only to tavis00:31
+perlDreamerI don't know if you're mean.  I've never drank your beer.00:33
+perlDreameralthough, those home demolition pictures could be a good indication00:34
+perlDreameryou have access to sledge hammers00:34
+perlDreamerand know how to use them00:34
+perlDreamerekennedy: ping00:34
+BartJolwhen you take my beer, I will get annoyed, but not enough to do plastic surgery with a sledgehammer00:37
+perlDreamerokay00:37
+perlDreamerI won't do it, anyway, but that's good to know.00:37
+BartJolthat's too quick00:38
+BartJolnormally I just use a piece of paper00:38
+perlDreamerSee!  Mean, mean, mean.00:39
+BartJolyeah, we're the mean lean Dutch team00:39
+perlDreamerBier drinking machines00:40
+BartJollet's just hope Madison will be ready in a month00:41
@preactioni don't think madison could ever prepare itself for the dutch invasion00:44
@preactionthey just kinda huddle in terror and try to ride the storm out00:44
+BartJolaah, that was all the traffic jams on the other side of the roads00:44
+BartJolso they got a warning00:45
@preactioneh, the dutch folk ain't as bad as those west coast people. it'll take months to recover from those types00:46
@preactionand don't get me started on the Aussies00:46
+BartJolyeah and there're more coming from over there00:46
* BartJol thinks that they're jealous on our drinking capabilities00:47
@preactionyou should bring some fresh beer, I would pay money00:49
@preactionI tried some Guldendraak at YAPC::NA and it was the greatest thing I had ever tasted ever00:49
+BartJolfersh Dutch beer?00:49
+BartJolaah00:49
@preactionor Belgium, something I can't get here00:49
@preactionnot even in Wisconsin. there's a half-decent beer pub in Madison, but that's the only one I've found00:50
+BartJolwell, I'm not sure on customs regulation00:50
@preactionSamuel Smith is probably the most exotic beer within 100 miles of me00:50
@preactiontrue, not asking for miracles. just if you want00:50
+BartJolwe'll see00:50
+BartJolI like steenbrugge tripel00:51
@preactionthanks00:51
+BartJolor a poho00:51
+BartJolwitkap pater tripel is also a good one00:51
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+BartJolyou can take alcohol from the airport in your personal bagage00:52
+BartJolpreaction: I see max 5 liter of spirits00:54
@preactionthat's quite a bit, one or two pints of beer would be fine by me00:55
+BartJolwell, it seems that that is legal00:56
@preactionthat's a little more than 1.5 liters probably (don't know the real conversion)00:56
+BartJol2 pints is about 1 liter00:56
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@preactionand whatever you got laying around will be fine, provided it's not american lager or whatever ;)00:57
@preactioni'm gonna find that brew pub and i might organize a little soiree down that way00:57
+BartJolsure you don't want bud?00:57
+BartJolI also got some homebrewed beer00:57
@preactioni can get squirrel pee fresh from the source if i want00:57
@preactionoooooooh never tried that (but i've thought about doing some)00:58
+BartJolallthough Sarah did not particularly seem to like that00:58
+BartJolit is not that hard, just follow the recept00:58
+BartJoland have some equipment00:59
@preactioneh, i like all kinds of beer. i've drank some really nasty stuff (Natural Ice, Milwaukee's Best, Old Milwaukee), it can't be worse than those00:59
+BartJoloh, wanna join us to the new glarus brewery?00:59
@preactionsure!01:00
+BartJolprolly on tuesday01:00
@preactionSounds good. I'll talk to Vrby and see what my hotel situation is going to be, otherwise i'll find a couch to crash on01:01
+BartJolyou can sleep with Koen in his hotel bed01:02
@preactionnah, i don't want to make his wife jealous of all this ;)01:02
+BartJolmmm, I think I should make a reservation and try to find designated drivers01:03
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+perlDreamerI heard you were sleeping in the trunk of JT's car, preaction01:25
@preactionnah, they're not going all-out for me. i gotta bring my own refridgerator box01:26
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12051 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Macro/NewMail.pm): Backport a patch for NewMail macro which makes it work again.01:53
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+perlDreameranother bug bites the dust01:54
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+perlDreamerNice picture, MrHairgrease02:02
+MrHairgreaseperlDreamer02:03
+MrHairgreasehey02:03
+MrHairgreasejust the guy I needed02:03
+MrHairgreasebon noite btw02:03
+perlDreamerbon noite?02:03
+MrHairgreaseI have a bigass testing question for you pd02:03
+MrHairgreasehang on02:03
+MrHairgreasehttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m4042b5dc02:04
+MrHairgreaselines 5-902:04
+MrHairgreasehow do I test $self->session->request->headers_in->{Accept} eq 'application/json'02:05
+perlDreamerYou use WebGUI::PseudoRequest, I think02:05
+perlDreamerlet me read the code02:05
+MrHairgreasebon noite eq 'good evening'02:05
+MrHairgreasein Portugese of course =)02:06
+MrHairgreasepseudo request only seems to have headers_out02:06
+perlDreamerhm02:06
+perlDreamermaybe you should add headers_in?02:07
+MrHairgreaseyeah i coud try that02:07
+MrHairgreasebut02:07
+MrHairgreasehow does session know which request objecct it has?02:07
+perlDreamerIn your test, $session will already have a PseudoRequest object in the request slot02:08
+MrHairgreaseoh02:08
@preactionit doesn't care, if it cares then the PseudoRequest is doing it wrong02:08
+MrHairgreaseok02:08
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12052 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Add patch to let Thingy workflows know which Thing they are working on.02:08
+MrHairgreasei'll just add that then02:09
+perlDreamerso you don't have to worry about hacking the session object to replace it, then02:09
+MrHairgreaseyes02:09
+MrHairgreasegreat02:09
+MrHairgreasecoolio02:09
+MrHairgreasebom02:09
+MrHairgreasemuito bom02:09
+perlDreamerpreaction: as MR&D, I think our first new project should be merging and extending that C-based Apache request object02:09
@preactionour first project is getting 7.7 stable, that will be our only project until the WUC I suspect02:10
@preactionif it means we spend some time increasing the test coverage of core APIs, that's a good way to spend some extra time02:11
+perlDreamerwhat kind of module are you making, MrHairgrease?02:13
+perlDreamerand how's the VIES workflow coming?02:13
+perlDreamerSynQ: ping02:20
+MrHairgreaseperldreamer: about the VIES module: oh crap, that thing again... I'll have it finished before the wuc and I'll buy you a beer for not doing it earlier02:24
+MrHairgreaseand buy myself two02:24
+MrHairgrease)02:24
+MrHairgrease=)02:24
+perlDreamer;)02:24
+MrHairgreaseand the thing I just posted02:24
+perlDreamerDon't feel bad.02:24
+perlDreamerI forgot to commit an appoved patch for 6 weeks02:24
+MrHairgreasethat's an idea I got at one of the yapc sessions02:24
+perlDreamerso you are well within the limit02:24
+MrHairgreasehat it does is this02:24
+MrHairgreaseif you sent a specific Accept header02:24
+MrHairgreasemore prcecisely 'application/json'02:25
+MrHairgreasein stead of a processed template02:25
+MrHairgreasethe var hash will be returned as json02:25
+MrHairgreasewhich is superduperwhizzbang handy for ajax stuff02:25
+MrHairgreaseI showed JT and he said I could put it still in, if only I wrote tests for it02:26
+perlDreamerexcellent02:27
+perlDreamerso anything can be a JSON provider with this?02:27
+MrHairgreaseyeah02:29
+MrHairgreasethat's the beauty of it02:29
+MrHairgreasesince everything eventually poops out templates02:30
+MrHairgreaseand the setMimeType method makes sure no html is outputted as well02:30
@preaction7.7.17 isn't released yet?02:36
+perlDreamerno02:36
+perlDreamerall 7.7 releases were put on hold to get 7.6 our02:36
+perlDreamerout02:36
+perlDreamerit's going to be one heck of a release02:37
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12053 /WebGUI/t/Inbox.t: Add tests for getUnreadMessagesForUser02:38
@preactioni swear the EMS needs its own book02:40
+MrHairgreaseoh crap02:40
+MrHairgreaseEverything works02:41
@preactionand i need david to finish the helpdesk so i can use him to improve the wiki02:41
+MrHairgreasebut now I'm discovering that I made the changes against a wg fork in my github instead f svn...02:41
+perlDreamerwiki?02:41
+perlDreamerwhat needs to be done to the wiki?02:41
+MrHairgreaseok, I'm putting these changes in tomorrow morning02:43
+MrHairgreaseI'm to tired for that now...02:43
+MrHairgreasebon noite!02:43
@preactionwiki needs at least: categories and subscriptions02:44
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+perlDreamerbbiaw02:57
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+perlDreamerback03:40
ekennedyI wondered if someone could help me with a breadcrumb problem.  I'm in the process of dividing a church website into a site representing two campuses.  I have a landing page which then branches to one campus or the other.  Currently I don't have the campus sub-sites under Root>Home.  I've got them under Root>CampusSites>South and Root>CampusSites>North.  The url for the two sites is www.site.com/south and www.site.com/north.  A breadcr03:43
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+perlDreamerso what's the breadcrumb problem?04:02
+perlDreamerekennedy, your post was so long that it was truncated just after the site URLs.04:02
ekennedyThanks PerlDreamer:  Here is the rest - The url for the two sites is www.site.com/south and www.site.com/north.  A breadcrumb navigation wobject starts at the current URL and traces ancestors back to infinity.  This is not returning anything I assume it is because the anscestors do not end at "Root>Home".  Is that the problem?  Is there any way to specify which url to stop at?04:03
+perlDreamerwhich version of wG?04:03
+perlDreamer7.6?04:03
+perlDreamerfrom the Nav code, I'm guessing that you're seeing the effects of either "isHidden" or "isSystem".04:07
+perlDreamerthose can be overridden in the Asset itself, but you may have to alter a template as well04:11
ekennedyI'm using 7.6.  And yes I turned on all of the options on the display tab and the breadcrumb went back to Root.  I think I can see now what I need to play with.  Thanks for the pointer.  04:12
ekennedySeems like there might be a bug.  If I turn on show hidden pages I get a page tree.  If I turn off show hidden pages I don't even though there is at least one visible page immediately before the current page.04:27
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ekennedyUnless I'm hallucinating "Reverse Page Loop" is also having no impact.04:36
ekennedyI've got to take a break but will try to do some debugging of the navigation later.04:52
@preactionanybody think it'd be a good idea to make a series of video clips that walks a person through how to install WebGUI from the WRE? or how to perform various common tasks?04:52
@preactiona video for configuring navigation, or applying a theme package to a large area of the site04:53
ekennedyI think it could be very helpful to newbies.04:53
@preactionanyone know good software for splicing together and adding audio to a movie? will QuickTime Pro do it? i've got a screencast software, but I think I want to add diagrams and such04:56
@preactionand then i think that video is pointless without a good base of written docs04:56
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CIA-53webgui: Removed WebGUI::History::Event05:37
CIA-53webgui: Added back in dataSuperHashOf - http://bit.ly/11Rsbq05:37
+perlDreamerI hate IE605:44
daviddelikatim getting tired of computers ingeneral05:51
daviddelikatnow my webgui vm isn't working05:51
daviddelikatand everything is going slow05:52
daviddelikatincluding me05:52
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+patspamcan anyone think of a nice way of adding an "Encrypt This Page" option to all Account modules a la Asset?06:03
+patspaminterface-wise..06:03
+patspamaccount modules don't inherit from a common definition, so I can't just whack it in at the base class06:04
@preactionadd it to WebGUI::Content::Account maybe?06:04
+patspamyeah, I think the implementation would be fairly straightforward, but I'm not sure how to approach getting a per-account module toggle06:05
+patspami guess I could just do a global "encrypt account modules" yes/no06:07
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+patspamor if it was a config file setting it could be per-module06:08
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elninoummm. my customer did something to a style template and it is no longer showing up in the choices of styles. I can't find anything different between my last good revision and the one she did.  Is there anything I can look at in the db?07:50
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elninowell, I have no idea what she did. So I ended up deleting it and it's all fixed.08:21
elninoSo, is it normal behavior to be able to move a revision from a committed tag to a new (uncommittd) tag?08:21
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+bartjolmmm, ryuu_ro what do you think is wrong in the next quote from the WebGUI help: "The macro must be put in the Macros directory in the WebGUI source code: lib/WebGUI/Macros/."14:37
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ryuu_rowell i'm a bit afraid for the dot at the end14:39
ryuu_rolike it's supposed to be in a hidden dir or something14:39
ryuu_roand ofcourse the macro's that you create yourself should be in a custom dir, but that's a matter of style14:39
+bartjolwell, I meant the last bit, since backup recovery will become harder14:41
+bartjolI noticed the comma too14:41
+bartjolwhich is confusing14:42
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+bartjolremoved the comma in the Dutch tranlation14:43
ryuu_rook that's cool, but what to do with the custom dir prob?14:45
ryuu_rowhere does the translation come from?14:45
ryuu_roMacro.pm?14:46
+bartjolyes14:49
+bartjolI altered the dutch version14:49
+bartjolnow PB may translate that to english14:49
+bartjolwould you be so kind to check that one at i18n.webgui.org14:50
+bartjolsome time14:50
ryuu_rook i'm on it now, which namespace?14:51
+bartjolmacro14:51
+bartjolsorry Macros14:51
+bartjoltag macros list body14:52
ryuu_rook that's what i needed to know14:52
+bartjolI know you need me14:52
ryuu_rolooks good bartjol14:55
+bartjolok, is this bug or rfe material14:55
ryuu_rowell technically it's true that is has to be put in the lib/WebGUI/Macro dir14:56
ryuu_roso it isn't a bug14:56
ryuu_roI would say RFE14:56
ryuu_robartjol: you ever worked with the ports system of FreeBSD?14:58
+bartjolunfortunately not14:59
ryuu_rothat's a shame, i'm using it right now and i'm having a couple of difficulties. Back to google it is15:00
+bartjolmmm, I have an error in the rich editor on the rfe section, I can't seem to get italic off and the html function misses15:01
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CIA-53WebGUI: martin * r12054 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Adding return JSON on specific requeest feature to template.15:55
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CIA-53WebGUI: translation * r12055 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (7 files): Update from translation server16:23
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CIA-53wrebuild: JT Smith master * rb44d138 / (wre/docs/changelog.txt wre/var/setupfiles/modproxy.conf): WRE mod_expires (#9618) - http://bit.ly/2skuQP16:50
CIA-53wrebuild: JT Smith master * r81ec952 / (7 files in 4 dirs): 16:50
CIA-53wrebuild: made a few fixes, and updated the mime types, trying to merge a conflict16:50
CIA-53wrebuild: Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/wrebuild16:50
CIA-53wrebuild: Conflicts:16:50
CIA-53wrebuild:  wre/docs/changelog.txt - http://bit.ly/YwJNE16:50
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+perlDreamerwow!17:49
+perlDreamereverybody showed up17:49
+bartjolfor what?17:52
+perlDreamerMonday17:52
+perlDreamerdid you see the new batch of i18n, bartjol?17:53
+bartjolnot yet17:53
+bartjolit's not on the i18n site17:53
+bartjolis it in git?17:53
+perlDreamersvn17:56
+perlDreamerit should be released on Thursday17:56
+perlDreamera bunch of LDAP i18n17:56
+bartjolwell, that is ot too much17:58
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+perlDreamerhttps://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=1204617:58
+bartjolalready found it17:58
+bartjolI'm not scared of that18:00
+perlDreamerof course not18:00
+perlDreamerI just don't like surprising you with new work18:00
+bartjolnew assets are more labourious18:00
+bartjolwell, you alrady annouced it earlier18:03
+perlDreamerI did?18:07
+bartjolyeah, last week18:07
mducharme-workperlDreamer: something was missed from the thread18:07
+perlDreamerthread?18:07
mducharme-workwe had agreed it was best to call it "LDAP Proxy User DN" instead of LDAP Proxy Username18:07
+bartjolthe forum 18:08
mducharme-workthe svn link you just pasted says LDAP Proxy Username.....18:08
mducharme-workthat was one of the feedback items in the thread and one I agreed with18:08
+bartjolwell, I didn't agree with anything18:09
+bartjolnetither did I disagree18:09
mducharme-workheh18:09
mducharme-workI mean the people in the thread who replied18:09
+bartjolI will see it on i18n.webgui.org18:09
mducharme-workit was a suggested change as a response to the ldap relabellings I had suggested and I agreed with that change, because it makes more sense18:10
+bartjolWell I'm fine with that18:10
+bartjolwe hardly use ldap for webgui18:11
+perlDreamerfixed18:12
+bartjolperlDreamer: I made an rfe for the Macros.pm i18n file18:12
+bartjolthe  description was a bit awkward in my eyes18:12
+bartjoldunno if you agree with my suggested changes18:12
+bartjolbut maybe you can tackle that while you're working on i18n18:13
+perlDreamerthat's not an rfe18:14
+bartjolwell18:14
+bartjolsince the content wasn't strictly wrong18:14
+bartjolafter a meeting of 1.5 hours with rory we decided it best to put in an rfe ;)18:15
+perlDreamerit's a bug18:15
+perlDreamerit's factually incorrect18:15
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+bartjolwell, ok18:15
+perlDreamerRFEs are about opinions18:15
+bartjolwell, I just noticed it18:16
+bartjolprolly it's not possible to move it to a bug status18:17
+perlDreamerno, I'll just fix it and close it18:18
+bartjolso what's best? treat the rfe as a bug, or make a new bug post18:18
+bartjolok18:18
+bartjoldo check my english if you use that text18:18
+bartjolI also check yours :P18:18
+perlDreamerOh no18:18
+perlDreamerIf it's wrong, I'm assigning the bug to you to fix :)18:18
+bartjolI don't have any access18:19
+bartjolto svn18:19
@tavistoperlDreamer, didn't someone fix the shopping cart but where this happens:18:20
@tavistoAll 3 buttons (update, continue shopping, checkout) were all acting like the "Continue Shopping" button and taking me back to my previous screen instead of carrying out their expected behavior.18:20
+bartjolwell18:20
@tavistoremember that used to happen awhile ago before someone implemented a fix to prevent that from happening. (or it could be cache issue as well I assume)18:20
+perlDreamerI don't remember that bug.  But there was a similar bug with choosing an address for checkout.18:21
@tavistohmm18:21
+bartjoldoesn't that relate to the payment plugins? I had the templates screwed up18:22
+perlDreamerregardless, tavisto, report the bug, along with a site so that I can look through the logfiles before they disappear.18:22
+bartjolonce and then the whole checkout process failed18:22
+bartjoltried to skip a form18:23
+bartjolwell, that didn't work :)18:23
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12056 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/AuthLDAP.pm: A few slight LDAP i18n tweaks.18:23
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12057 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/AuthLDAP.pm: Forward porting LDAP i18n tweaks18:23
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12058 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Macros.pm: Update i18n text to show that a custom install directory can be used.18:23
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12059 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Macros.pm: Forward port macro i18n fix.18:23
+bartjolaah, Colin the bugfix hero18:24
@tavistohmm that could be bartjol18:24
+bartjoltavisto: that you did something to the template?18:25
@tavistonot I18:25
+bartjolwell, you can test that by using the default templates18:26
+bartjoltavisto: well, you came up with it :P18:26
+bartjoltake responsibility18:26
@tavistolucky for me I dont have to do the dirty work18:28
+bartjolThese templates are easily compromised18:28
+bartjolah, you have a slave?18:28
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CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12060 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/RemoveOldCarts.pm: Remove debug code from RemoveOldCarts workflow.18:38
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12061 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/RemoveOldCarts.pm: Remove debug from RemoveOldCarts workflow activity.18:38
+perlDreamerHaarg, we need daviddelikat's Helpdesk code soon18:48
@Haargyes18:48
+perlDreamerwide comments nuke the bug controls18:48
@Haargi was trying it out though and the tab behavior wasn't working properly18:48
+perlDreamerin fact, can we have it autowrap content?18:49
@Haargso we'll want to verify that18:49
+perlDreamerit doesn't use the Comments aspect, iirc18:49
@Haargi'd rather have it scroll i think18:49
@Haargit's useful to be able to paste code in sometimes18:49
+perlDreamerbut we have that nifty upload feature for patches18:50
@Haargyou aren't always dealing with patches though18:50
+perlDreamertrue18:51
@Haargit's probably of more use on the support boards actually18:52
@Haargsince you are more frequently dealing with code snippets18:52
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@Haargcode/css/html18:52
+perlDreamertrue.  and wrapping that would be bad18:54
+perlDreameryou saw the IE6 bug with resizing?18:54
@Haargyes18:54
@Haargthe part that amuses me about that is previously the edit area sized itself wrong like that in firefox18:55
@Haarguntil we made it disabled by default18:55
+bartjolI'm off, bye18:56
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* perlDreamer is hoping that we can drop IE6 as a supported browser18:56
+perlDreamerbut knows the chances of that are slim18:57
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CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12062 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm): Fix a typo in the illegal product quantity error checker in the cart.19:09
CIA-53WebGUI: ekennedy * r12063 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Account/Inbox.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Fixed #10743: Inbox Rich Editor selection not saved (Eric Kennedy)19:09
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elnino my customer did something to a style template and it is no longer showing up in the choices of styles. I can't find anything different between my last good revision and the one she did.  Is there anything I can look at in the db?19:21
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elninoI ended up deleting the revision, but I have db backups, I fear there is a bug somewhere there.19:22
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CIA-53WebGUI: ekennedy * r12064 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/Account/Inbox.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Fixed #10743: Inbox Rich Editor selection not saved (Eric Kennedy)19:39
+perlDreamerelnino, whether a template is a style template or not is determined by the template namespace20:18
+perlDreamerbut, iirc, you're not allowed to change the namespace once it's been set20:19
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* perlDreamer is back20:33
+BartJolaah, been working out20:34
+perlDreameryes, I was exercising my legs20:43
+perlDreamernow it feels like time to exercise something else20:43
+perlDreamerlike my stomach20:43
+BartJolby eating huge amounts of hotdogs?20:45
@preactioni'm getting 15-20% packetloss to my gateway. think i should call my ISP?20:46
@preactionperlDreamer: did you have any thoughts about using Test::Class? and ideas on how it should work for Assets?20:48
+perlDreamery s I t ink t ah ou s oul , reac  on20:48
@preactionyour death will not be quick20:48
+perlDreamerpreaction: I'd love to use it, but the latest bug is with Test::Class on the WRE/MacOS, iirc20:48
+BartJolperlDreamer: you have quite some death threats lately20:48
+BartJolstrange for such a nice guy20:49
+perlDreamerand you wonder why I work out so much ;)20:49
+BartJolrun Colin run20:52
+BartJolok programming time20:53
+perlDreamerpreaction: Haarg may remember more about it than I do, since he found it20:53
+perlDreamerI was testing Account.pm with Test::Class20:53
@Haargi would love if we started using Test::Class, but as long as it is broken that's not an option20:54
@Haarghttp://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=4367520:54
@Haargit's a bug in Devel::Symdump, which is used by Test::Class20:55
+perlDreamerbut it's also perl dependent20:55
+perlDreamerFedora's perl isn't affected by this20:55
@Haargyes20:55
* perlDreamer wonders if it's fixed in 5.10.1-RC121:00
@preactionhumph. i'm trying to use it for WebGUIx::Asset, we'll see how it goes21:01
+perlDreamerWebGUI sits in a deep, dark valley, bereft of awesome testing tools21:08
* perlDreamer mourns in sackcloth and ashes21:08
+perlDreamerpreaction: I kept a tarfile of my old Test::Class tests if you want to try them out21:09
elninoperlDreamer, yep, and from what I can tell, she didn't change the namespace, nor do we have the option to change the namespace when modifying a template.21:09
+perlDreamerelnino, if you can recreate it, I'll see about fixing it21:11
@preactionperlDreamer: i was more needing to ask: do we make methods with the same name as WebGUI::Asset methods to test?21:11
@preactiondo we create one instance of the asset and just test that?21:12
+perlDreamerI make test methods with the same name21:12
+perlDreamerand I limit asset existance to the scope of the sub21:12
+perlDreamerso limit sideways interactions21:12
+perlDreamerthis is slower, but more precise21:13
@preactionso you have a setup method that creates a new asset? and the teardown method deletes it?21:13
+perlDreamersince Test::Class is again for unit tests21:13
+perlDreamerNo, I built the asset inside the test21:14
+perlDreamerunless each test used exactly the same asset, I'd rather have related code close by21:14
+perlDreamerand I don't see the point in putting it in 3 subs vs 121:15
+perlDreamerhowever, you also have to remember that I'm a stingy old test writer21:15
+perlDreamerand not one of these new-fangled test writers, who do fancy stuff like that21:15
@preactioni suppose, WebGUIx::Asset's create is just one simple line: $class->create({ properties });21:15
+perlDreamerno session?21:16
+perlDreameror is session a properties?21:16
@preactionoh right, needs a session somehow21:17
@preactionthe schema needs it to connect21:17
+perlDreamerhave you ever thought about implying the session?21:17
+perlDreamerusing some of the new code magic to automagically put one into every method call?21:17
+perlDreamerkind of like what they do with $self in the fancy OO code21:18
+perlDreamerI also think that's a Catalyst trick.21:18
@preactionlike in MooseX::Declare?21:18
* perlDreamer is Moose ignorant21:18
+perlDreamermore accurate to say "Moose avoidant"21:19
@preactionDevel::Declare is some hairy black magic that lets you specify a keyword where Perl uses your parser instead of Perl's parser21:19
@preactionMooseX::Declare is as much of Perl6's object syntax as we can get in Perl521:19
@preactionit lets you do: method name ( argument ) { # $self already exists now, and so does $argument }21:22
@Haargi'm not sure there would be any reasonable way to have an implied session unless you want to start peeking into the caller's lexicals and that's a level of evil beyond parser tricks21:23
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@Haargpreaction, perlDreamer: any thoughts on my webgui plugin installer thingy?  does it seem like a worthwhile idea to pursue?21:36
+perlDreamerdefinitely21:36
@Haargthe automatic sql updating thing is the most important part21:36
+perlDreamerreading that, it got me thinking that we need a way to package workflows21:36
+perlDreamerisn't there something like that in CRUD?21:36
@Haargyes21:37
@Haargand Installable21:37
@Haargbut you can't do it with arbitrary tables21:37
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@Haargand the devs already know how to deal with the sql files for the most part21:38
@Haargbut if i kept going in this direction, having a 'crud_class' directive/option would be good21:39
+perlDreamerdoes this bring us closer to Lift at all?21:39
@Haargi wasn't thinking about it in that way, no21:40
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@preactiondoes it have to depend on WGDev? can it be WebGUI::Installer or WebGUI::PluginInstaller or something?21:42
@preactionotherwise it looks great21:42
@Haargthat's another thing i was thinking about21:42
+perlDreamerfeels like we're reinventing Build21:42
@Haargwgdev just makes it easy to do a bunch of the stuff i have but it wouldn't have to21:42
@Haargthat's my other thought, if i wanted to come up with something that would leverage Module::Build21:43
+perlDreamerModue::Build::WebGUI21:43
+perlDreamerwith the WRE, there's no real reason that we couldn't install WebGUI right into perl library area21:44
+perlDreamerif we did that, we could use blib for testing21:45
+perlDreamerand throw away the icky parts of WebGUI::Test21:45
@Haargwhich icky parts?21:45
+perlDreamerthe part where you have to use FindBin in every test21:45
@Haargah21:45
@Haargwgd already handles that actually21:46
+perlDreamerreally?21:46
@Haargwell, it sets PERL5LIB21:46
@Haargi guess you need the root though21:47
+perlDreamerand it adds /data/WebGUI/t/lib ?21:47
+perlDreamernot really.  WebGUI::Test will find the root, the problem is finding WebGUI::Test21:47
+perlDreamerthat's the only reason FindBin is in each script21:47
@Haargi guess it doesn't add t/lib, no21:47
@Haargthat would be a problem Module::Build / blib anyway though21:48
+perlDreamerI'm entangling the issues21:49
* preaction untangles issues with swords21:49
+perlDreamerThis is solvable if we move WebGUI::Test and it's tree into /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI21:49
+perlDreamerthen it's only set once21:49
+perlDreamerbut then the code might get loaded21:50
+perlDreamerso we'd have to set preload.exclude everywhere21:50
@Haargi don't love FindBin, but that or an equivalent is pretty much the only option21:51
+perlDreameruse blib21:51
@HaargTest::Class solves the problem as well21:52
@Haargblib doesn't get you anything aside from lib though21:52
+perlDreamerWebGUI::Test does the rest21:52
@Haargrequired WebGUI::Test to be in lib, not t/lib21:52
@Haargand i think that is a bad idea21:52
+perlDreameryeah21:53
+perlDreamerperldoc blib says it just looks for a blib directory21:53
+perlDreamerand it only goes 5 levels deep, which might be a problem for our nested testing structure21:54
@Haargfor WGDev i'm using File::Spec and __FILE__ to get t/lib, but it's basically the same concept as using FindBin.21:54
@Haargjust simpler since I only have one level21:54
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+perlDreamerin any case, I think I hijacked your installer conversation22:04
+perlDreamerlet me rerail it22:04
+perlDreamerIt sounds like there are several open questions22:04
+perlDreamerModule dependencies, like SQL::Translator22:05
+perlDreamerImplementations, like WGDev based, or Build based (or even E::M)22:05
@Haargwell, if we move WebGUI to a Module::Build based setup it might make sense to build off that22:06
+perlDreamerI think SquOnk has been working on that22:06
@Haarguntil then it doesn't because M::B doesn't really provide anything useful for what i'm doing if i'm not actually going to install files22:07
@Haargit's one of things i'd like to do for 8 as well22:07
@Haargassuming it isn't using M::B, the other question is if it should be built for WGDev or WebGUI.  that in tern depends on other prereqs.22:10
@Haargi was thinking of somewhat silly things like having WebGUI::Installer that would only be able to do installs and WGDev::Installer would be able to do upgrades as well22:11
@Haargand it would automatically switch between them depending on what was available22:11
@Haargbut i think that's getting a bit too complex for something that could easily be thrown out22:11
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+BartJolmmm I forgot my dev book, but do I have to enable a operation in the conf to work, or is adjusting the url enough if I put it in the Operation.pm file?22:14
@Haargif you stick it in Operation.pm it would just work, but that's not the advised way to do it at this point22:15
@Haargthe recommended way is to create a content handler22:15
@Haargand add that to the config file22:15
+BartJolwell, off course that is the next step, I'm mainly exploring22:16
+BartJolthanks22:16
+BartJolin that case I'm doing something else wrong22:16
* perlDreamer feeds kids lunch22:27
+perlDreamerback in 3022:27
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+BartJolmmm perlDreamer my modulepath of my operation is not recognised, I did make an entry in Operation.pm23:12
+perlDreamerpaste?23:12
+BartJolbut the eval in Pluggable.pm doesn't recogise it23:12
+BartJolworking on that23:13
+BartJolhttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m62a18a4723:14
+BartJolthat is the operation entry23:14
+BartJoland it is in WebGUI/operation/23:15
+BartJolpasted the method below that23:16
+perlDreamerit made a new paste23:17
+BartJolmmm and the error23:17
+BartJolhttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m6502936223:17
+BartJolof course it is filthy code23:18
+perlDreamerall modules must return 123:18
+BartJoloooh23:18
+BartJolstupid23:18
+perlDreameryou see it now?23:18
+BartJolyes23:18
+perlDreamerdon't feel bad.  Everyone does it23:18
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+BartJolyoohoo23:21
+BartJolit returns 123:21
+BartJoland the scratch is set23:21
+BartJolI get returned to a page that says "1", but it is better23:22
+BartJolwell, I think I'm getting a bit the hang of it23:23
+BartJolcool get rid of that one too23:24
+perlDreamerBartJol, if SetLanguage is like SwitchOnAdmin, why not check out how it does its magic23:24
* perlDreamer guesses that it does a redirect back to the bare URL23:24
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+BartJolwell I had a return 1 in the sub, replaced it with a 1; below the sub23:25
+BartJolwhich works and leaves me on the same page23:25
+BartJolwell, it is half the work23:25
+BartJolnow I must ensure that the i18n module does something with that23:26
+BartJoland it would be best if I can incorporate it in my LanguagePageSwitch macro23:27
+BartJolwell, for a first attempt and presentation purposes it should be enough23:27
+BartJolthanks perlDreamer23:28
+perlDreameris SynQ around today?23:28
+perlDreamerI'm having WRE build problems23:28
+BartJoldunno23:28
+BartJolah23:28
+BartJolon fedora?23:28
+perlDreamerOn CentOS23:28
+BartJolah23:28
+BartJolwell, I expect that SynQ will be a better help than me, allthough my intensions are good23:29
+perlDreamerit would appear that several websites used to fetch software (catdoc) are down23:29
+perlDreamerand I was wondering if there are alternate sites23:29
+perlDreameror, if I can get the last binary so I can move past this step.23:30
+BartJolmmm is the nluug site online, they have quite some stuff23:32
+BartJolor is it nllug23:32
+BartJol...23:32
+perlDreamernever heard of it23:32
+BartJolit the dutch linux users site23:33
+perlDreamernllug.nl?23:33
+BartJolhttp://ftp.nluug.nl/23:33
+BartJolmmm23:33
+BartJolno CentOs as far as I can see23:34
+perlDreamerdo they have catdoc?23:34
+BartJolI'm afraid not23:35
+BartJolhttp://catdoc.klik.atekon.de/23:35
+BartJolthat has it23:35
+BartJolI hope it has more than german docs23:37
+BartJolperlDreamer: did that work out?23:37
+perlDreamerno download link?23:37
+perlDreamerwhat is klik::?23:37
+BartJoldunno23:38
+BartJol:)23:38
+BartJolftp://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/catdoc-0.94.tar.gz23:39
+BartJolbut the freebsd bit in that url worries me23:39
+BartJolit does work23:40
+perlDreamerI'll download from utexas.edu instead23:40
+perlDreamerI thought I would build the WRE with the latest perl, 5.10.1-RC123:40
+perlDreamerand found out that many versions that the WRE wants are no longer available23:40
+BartJolhere is a source http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/packages/catdoc/catdoc-0.94-1.rf.src.rpm23:40
+BartJolmmm, that is not good23:41
+perlDreamerno23:41
+BartJolnot sure what Koen used for the latest wre23:41
+perlDreamerthe website for catdoc seems to be offline23:42
+perlDreamerI wonder if it has gone out of style23:42
+BartJolis see the site though http://www.catdoc.org/23:42
+BartJol;)23:42
+perlDreamerthey charge extra for dogscans23:43
+perlDreamerHaarg: would SQL::Translator help with this: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/1074623:43
@Haargit's more meant for schemas23:44
@Haargyou don't need the parenthesis for that though iirc23:45
+perlDreamerbut there are potentially valid SQL statements that begin with paren though?23:48
@preactionyes23:50
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+BartJolcool00:19
+BartJolperlDreamer: my method seems to work00:20
+BartJolit changes webgui language like dutch people drink beer00:21
+perlDreamerawesome!00:21
+BartJolit's really sweet00:21
+BartJolit is local, so I can't show it00:22
+BartJolwell, only put it in a content handler and I almost have my presentation ready00:23
+perlDreamernow, all you need to do is figure out multilingual content, and you'll have solved one of the longest running WebGUI requests00:24
+perlDreamerHaarg, preaction: 24 hours and counting00:24
+BartJolcontent is a bit of another story, but that macro of me did that job nicely too00:25
+BartJolyou just have to set up your site very neatly00:25
+BartJolwhich is always the case00:26
mducharme-workI had always wondered that.. if there was a way to have a webgui site in multiple languages.. without having duplicates of everything00:26
+BartJolwell00:26
+BartJolwith my method you still need duplicates00:27
+BartJolthe idea is that you can switch between page trees nicely (based on lineage)00:27
+BartJolso sorry mducharme-work, it is not that sweet00:28
+BartJoland content has to be translated anyway00:30
mducharme-workyeah00:30
+BartJolI just made a step in the right direction00:30
+perlDreamerit's not a bad workflow, really00:31
+perlDreamerthe problem is synchronization00:31
mducharme-workunless you could find a way to have multiple languages stored in a single asset00:31
mducharme-workwith multiple page titles for each language.....00:32
mducharme-worker titles00:32
mducharme-worknot page titles...00:32
+BartJolwell, page titles or not of importance, as it works with lineage00:32
+BartJolthat macro of me00:33
+BartJolalso url's can be translated that way00:33
+BartJoland be readable in every language00:33
+BartJolwell, after this accomplishment I think I deserve a beer00:34
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+BartJollet's have a look at contenthandlers00:35
+BartJolmmm, that one works too00:53
+BartJolonly I loose the template00:53
+BartJolprobably wrong order in the conf00:53
+BartJolor it is not forwarded right00:53
@tavistoperlDreamer, did you update TGC or did you send that over to Tom01:00
@tavistoactually, you should send that to preaction since he's managing that group now01:01
+perlDreamerI sent it to Tom, and he updated the site01:06
+perlDreamertavisto, both of those are fixed.  The core bug, and the custom one, too.01:11
@tavistoexcellent. I'll let the customer know01:11
@tavistoPerlDreamer receives a ThumbsUp++01:12
+perlDreamerah, that's much better than the beknighted Silver Raspberry01:12
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+BartJoland broke my contenthandler again...01:21
+BartJolwell it's too late i suspect01:29
+perlDreamer22:30, yes?01:30
+perlDreameryou can't drink all day, and hack all night, and expect it not to affect your drinking01:30
+BartJolnope 12:3001:30
+BartJolonly had two beers today01:30
+BartJolstrange though that the handler worked the first time01:31
+BartJolwell, tomorrow I have a dev book01:32
+BartJoltill tomorrow01:33
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CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12065 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 03:23
CIA-53WebGUI: Fix queryIsAllowed to look at the first word in the query, regardless of punctuation or whitespace.03:23
CIA-53WebGUI: Add tests for queryIsAllowed.03:23
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12066 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Backport fixes for shop quantity, and DatabaseLink query.03:23
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daviddelikatperlDreamer: im looking at the survey bug(finally) and I was wondering if you had tried running it with debug messages turned off?05:31
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@preactionthere is some really nutty methods in some of this stuff...06:32
+perlDreamerdaviddelikat, I've only seen the bug report06:49
daviddelikatI've been poking around a bit tonight, and I just posted a long-ish reply to the helpdesk ticket..06:50
daviddelikatI'm not sure if I was looking at what you wanted me to look at or not, the main issue is largely un-documented...06:51
daviddelikatso I just looked at what I could get from the notes06:51
+perlDreameryes, it is06:51
daviddelikat( totally forgot to look at the pictures )06:51
+perlDreamerthe real question is this.  Could you edit a survey?06:51
+perlDreameradd sections, questions, answers.  Edit existing ones, etc.06:51
daviddelikatrunning IE* the two add buttons are missing06:52
daviddelikatIE806:52
+perlDreamerthat definitely could be.  We know there are problems in IE6.  IE7 on Vista seemed to be okay06:53
+perlDreamerfor now, I think it's safe to say that this thing sucks on IE, various versions and platforms06:54
daviddelikatso I'm just putting in for the night06:55
+perlDreamerthanks for looking at it.  I appreciate it06:55
daviddelikatI'll double up on IE sucks06:55
daviddelikatI was testing my help desk comment editting06:55
daviddelikatand IE gave me some JS errors06:55
+perlDreameryeah.  grrrr06:55
daviddelikatlike missing ')' 06:55
daviddelikatand unclose string literal06:55
+perlDreamerthose are real errors!06:56
daviddelikateven gave me line numbers06:56
+perlDreamersometimes, it's good that thing is so pendantic06:56
daviddelikatbut there is nothing wrong with the lines06:56
+perlDreameroh06:56
+perlDreamerdoes jslint check for stuff like that?06:56
daviddelikatso I'm guessing theres a ~bug~06:56
daviddelikathaven't tried it06:56
+perlDreamerme either06:56
daviddelikatI bet it would be good to look at...06:57
+perlDreamerI nuked two of my VM's by using foreign repositories06:57
daviddelikatI'll be around tomorrow night some, one all day Wed and Thurs.06:57
daviddelikatnuked?06:58
daviddelikatdid you have network problems?06:58
+perlDreamerthey run, but you can do any package updates on the OS06:58
+perlDreamercan't do any06:58
+perlDreameryum is totally hosed06:58
+perlDreamerso, no new software until I fix them, or wipe them and reinstall06:58
daviddelikatwow, toast06:58
daviddelikatI spent most of my weekend recovering form about 6 crashes I had starting on Thursday Morning06:59
daviddelikatmy main box was overheating06:59
+perlDreamerthat's not good06:59
+perlDreameryou need cooling06:59
daviddelikatgot any recomendations?06:59
daviddelikatcheap ones?06:59
+perlDreamerlarge box fan from costco with a cookie tray of water in front of it07:00
daviddelikatI was messing around with some TEC devices I have at work...07:00
daviddelikatthere are no costco's in thea rea07:00
daviddelikatI had a TEC hooked up to a stray CPU power supply on the 12V side and it got really cold on one side but the other side got so hot it melted the solder.07:02
daviddelikatthats the problem with cooling, you have to have somewhere for the HEAT to go07:02
daviddelikatwell, I'm off07:04
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@preactionis this a bug?07:13
@preaction"I HATE THE USER IMPORT TOOL"07:13
@preactionshould I post it to the bug list?07:13
+perlDreamerit depends07:13
+perlDreamerare _you_ going to fix it?07:14
@preactionthe parser is worse than braindead07:14
@preactionhell no, I manage you now. shit rolls downhill remember?07:14
+perlDreamerI went through that once.07:14
+perlDreamerRespectfully, it won't happen again.07:14
@preactionwhat? I don't get to change into a completely different person now that I have duh powah?07:15
@preactionawww...07:15
+perlDreamerI'll fall on a sword for you, but if you roll the Big Stinking Ball of Feces, no promises ;)07:15
@preactionit'll get fixed, but for now i'm just gonna bitch about how much worse than braindead this thing is :p07:15
@preactionOOo saves CSV files by always wrapping values in quotes. that breaks the userImport.pl tool07:16
+perlDreamerShouldn't it just use Text::CSV_XS, like everything else in wG?07:16
@preactionyeah, Text::CSV even lets you set what you want the delimiter to be, so it should work exactly as it does now07:17
+perlDreamerI think you can tell OOo not to wrap stuff in quotes, but you have to set that manually07:17
+perlDreameror maybe that's only on import...07:19
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12067 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Transaction.pm): Fix a typo in getting the in store credit for the post-transaction email.07:52
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12068 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver.pm): Backport in-shop credit deduction fix for transaction email.07:52
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+perlDreamerI'm going to call it a night08:08
+perlDreamersee you all tomorrow08:08
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CIA-53wgdev: Patrick Donelan master * r2895b38 / lib/WGDev/Command/User.pm : 13:44
CIA-53wgdev: Added User command13:44
CIA-53wgdev: Currently has 2 options:13:44
CIA-53wgdev: *) findByPassword - returns a list of all users using the given password13:44
CIA-53wgdev: *) findByDictionary - does a simple brute-force search for all users13:44
CIA-53wgdev:  using any password in the specified dictionary file - http://bit.ly/TArkr13:44
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+BartJolmmm JT asked me to make some doc on the language scratch variable, so it would not be a "floating around variable"16:22
+BartJoldoubting whether how to do this16:23
+BartJolso I get it "reserved" in session::scratch16:25
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+BartJolpreaction: do you know what's the best method of "reserving" a scratch variable?16:50
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SquOnkHI everyone17:00
+BartJolhi17:01
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SquOnkHow does one solve the "select a country", then "select a city from the appropiate country" and so, using WebGUI?17:08
+BartJolah, so you narrow the options17:09
SquOnkWell...17:09
SquOnk...the concrete problem is there's a list of years, for each year there's a list of publications, for each publication there's a list of issues17:09
+BartJolah17:10
SquOnkThey want to click on the year, and have only the publications for that year, then click on publications and have a list of the issues17:10
SquOnkAll in the same page.17:10
SquOnkI've already suggested using folders, with subfolders, each one with a navigation.17:10
+BartJolso that sounds like a yui utility17:10
SquOnkBut they're dumb as a bent elbow17:10
+BartJolI hear that the yui connection manager is the best option17:12
+BartJolwith ajax calls17:12
SquOnkAha17:12
+BartJolryuu_ro knows al about it, but has to leave17:13
+BartJolI hope it helps17:15
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+BartJolwell, another bazaar entry for me18:11
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CIA-53WebGUI: fixed: Existing ThingyRecords are broken after upgrade19:38
CIA-53WebGUI: fixed: ThingyRecords cannot be purged19:38
CIA-53WebGUI: graham * r12070 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm): fixed: Only users in 'Content Managers' can create shortcuts19:38
CIA-53WebGUI: graham * r12071 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Macro/AdminBar.pm): fixed: Admin bar won't show multiple packages or prototypes with the duplicate titles19:38
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+perlDreamerperlmonkey2:  long time no see19:51
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: yes, I guess it's been a few days.19:52
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: how's things?19:52
+perlDreamerthings are okay19:52
+perlDreamerKathy is doing good in school, and I haven't had to threaten anybody's health today19:53
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+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: tell Kathy congragts and I guess the kids congrats for not raising their father's blood pressure.19:53
+perlDreamerwho said anything about the kids? :)19:54
+perlmonkey2hah19:54
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CIA-53WebGUI: graham * r12072 /WebGUI/lib/Spectre/Admin.pm: silence compiler warning20:25
CIA-53WebGUI: graham * r12073 /WebGUI/etc/WebGUI.conf.original: add docs for multiple category asset config20:25
CIA-53WebGUI: meatbop * r12074 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.17/root_import_gallery-templates_gallery.css.wgpkg: Had to remove some mozilla/firefox specific code that was breaking the gallery under firefox 2.x20:46
SquOnkBTW, 7.6.34 just made it into Debian Sid.20:56
SquOnkIt includes automatic upgrades and automatic indexing of PS/PDF files20:56
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+perlDreamerI'm back, for a little bit21:43
+perlDreamernice work, SquOnk.  7.5.35 comes out today21:47
SquOnkperlDreamer: Thanks21:50
SquOnkperlDreamer: 7.6.35 will be available on thursday for Debian then21:50
+perlDreamerSquOnk: Is there any way to find out how many people are using the packages?21:52
SquOnkperlDreamer: One way is through popcon. It's voluntary though.21:52
SquOnkhttp://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=webgui21:53
SquOnkperlDreamer: If the user installs popcon, every now and then a report of installed packages is sent to the Debian project.21:54
+perlDreamer14 is good21:54
SquOnkperlDreamer: Inst are installs and vote are installs that have kept the package at least through two popcon runs21:55
SquOnkperlDreamer: Recent are upgrades... which means the user is following the package.21:55
+perlDreamerso... make that 5 consistent users22:00
+perlDreamernone of whom are you.  I remember you saying that you don't install popcon22:00
SquOnkperlDreamer: That's right22:01
SquOnkperlDreamer: Nor my customers (3) who install from my private repo22:01
+perlDreamerbbiaw22:37
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12075 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Document gallery album view fix.22:39
SquOnkBTW...22:42
SquOnk...I haven't been able to get SQL Report's download to work22:42
SquOnkSo I figured I must be doing something wrong ;-)22:43
SquOnkDB Connection works.22:43
SquOnkAdded the SQL Report.22:43
SquOnkFixed query, mind you.22:43
SquOnkGot the results on screen, no problem.22:43
SquOnkOnce a switch to either CSV or Template download format, results are shown on screen, but the links doesn't work. Click and wait for ever.22:44
SquOnkI get nothing in webgui/apache logs.22:44
SquOnkIdeas?22:46
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@preactionSquOnk: how many results? template and CSV both do all the results, no limit on them22:53
@preactionthat could take a looooong time22:54
SquOnkpreaction: About 5 rows22:54
@preactionuh... are you in the Group to Download? check the Security tab of the edit screen22:54
@preactionotherwise, error log clean?22:54
SquOnkpreaction: No, nothing in the logs.22:55
+perlDreamerhow does a demo site work?23:15
+perlDreamerYou know, I think we do something new, something cutting edge23:21
+perlDreamerSomething that will help us stand out from the pack23:21
CIA-53wgdev: Patrick Donelan master * r2895b38 / lib/WGDev/Command/User.pm : 23:21
CIA-53wgdev: Added User command23:21
CIA-53wgdev: Currently has 2 options:23:21
CIA-53wgdev: *) findByPassword - returns a list of all users using the given password23:21
CIA-53wgdev: *) findByDictionary - does a simple brute-force search for all users23:21
CIA-53wgdev:  using any password in the specified dictionary file23:21
+perlDreamerI say we drop support for IE623:22
+perlDreamerYouTube is doing it.23:22
+perlDreamerOrkut is doing it23:22
mducharme-workI don't see a problem there.. everyone I know switched to IE7 ages ago23:23
mducharme-workas long as firefox 2.x remains supported :)23:23
+perlDreamerthere are little snippets from all over the web that you can add to your templates and CSS that say "Hey, IE6 user, join the next millenium"23:23
@preactioni do see a problem there, our clients still use IE623:23
+perlDreamerlet them eat cake!23:23
mducharme-workyou just mean for admining the site and editing content I assume23:24
mducharme-workbecause the actual browsers supported for viewing would depend on the site's style templates...23:24
+perlDreamerno, I mean the whole shebang23:25
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12076 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/Asset/Event/edit.t: Add WEBGUI_LIVE switch to Event/edit.t23:25
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12077 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Event/edit.t: Forward port WEBGUI_LIVE switch addition to Event/edit.t23:25
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12078 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix album display in the template for IE6 and FF223:25
mducharme-workahh crap! I just deployed itunes to all my staff accidentally23:25
mducharme-workperldreamer oh hmm.. I think people should still be able to visit the site with IE6.....23:26
mducharme-workfor admining and content editing I woudln't see an issue with IE7 being needed as a minimum...23:26
@Haargthat would be nice wouldn't it23:26
+perlDreamerthe problem is that there's now so much CSS and JS in the user view that having an admin only requirement doesn't matter much anymore23:27
@preactionnever going to happen, IE6 will be supported until the rapture23:27
+perlDreamerboss, you're killin' me here23:28
+perlDreameris there no hope?23:28
mducharme-workwe are stuck on firefox 2.x due to an AJAX bug that still is not fixed in the 3.x versions....23:28
+perlDreamermducharme-work: browsers don't do AJAX natively.  Which toolkit is giving you problems?23:29
mducharme-workno toolkit.. there is an issue with our zenworks management portal that novell says is a mozilla problem and they have a ticket open for it23:29
mducharme-workand we have an issue with an ajax drop down component that is not part of any toolkit in our cobbled together webapp which doesn't work with 3.x, I assumed it was the same mozilla problem23:30
mducharme-workfor our internal webapp I could take the time to rewrite it to use YUI or something23:31
mducharme-workpossibly23:31
mducharme-workbut that doesn't fix the zenworks heh23:31
+perlDreamerno23:31
+perlDreamerbummer23:31
mducharme-workand the webgui.org site looks awful in firefox 2.x as well23:31
SquOnkperlDreamer: Everyone can download23:32
+perlDreamerSquOnk: on a demo site, it works fine?23:32
SquOnkperlDreamer: Well, it's a fresh install we're testing23:32
SquOnkperlDreamer: Ok, I've got it to work.23:39
+perlDreamerSquOnk: What's the magic incantation required?23:39
SquOnkperlDreamer: Well, the Download Group was ok and I re-set it to the same value.23:41
CIA-53WebGUI: meatbop * r12079 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.17/root_import_gallery-templates_gallery.css.wgpkg: More tweaks to the gallery css for old firefox23:41
mducharme-workhow long until 7.7x goes stable23:49
mducharme-workor does it23:49
mducharme-workheh23:49
@preactionbefore the WUC23:49
mducharme-workwhen is the WUC23:49
+perlDreamerSeptember 10th23:50
@preactionSquOnk: that's a bug, could you please report it? the download group in the SQLReport doesn't have a default value, causing problems23:50
+perlDreameror so23:50
mducharme-workok23:50
+perlDreamerNOOOOOO23:50
SquOnkpreaction: Are you sure.23:50
@preactionYESSSSS you got my e-mail23:50
@preactionSquOnk: absolutely. in any case there is something there worth looking at23:50
SquOnkpreaction: Ok. I will report it23:51
@preactionthanks23:51
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+perlDreamerhow about posting it tomorrow?23:51
+perlDreamerpreaction, should we write a CODE_COP test that checks the all definitions to make sure that users, groups and templates all have default values?23:57
@preactionthat would probably be a good idea23:57
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12080 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/Asset/Event.t: Fix a test leaking version tags.23:59
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12081 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Event.t: Forward port test fix.23:59
+perlDreamerthat fixes the test suite.  All tests are passing.23:59
--- Day changed Wed Aug 12 2009
+perlDreamerSquOnk: I have a fix pending for the SQLReport.  If you'll file that bug, I can close it and commit.00:00
SquOnkperlDreamer: All right, give me a couple of minutes while I wake up00:01
* SquOnk is listening to: The Trashmen - Surfin' Bird - Surfin' Bird - (0:18/2:24)00:01
+perlDreamerno sweat00:01
SquOnkOk, now that I'm awake, I'll file the bug00:01
+perlDreamerThanks!00:05
SquOnkperlbot: 1075200:07
SquOnks/perlbot/perlDreamer/00:09
+perlDreamerthanks, SquOnk00:09
+perlDreamerit's actually a copy/paste error00:09
+perlDreamerthere is a default assigned, but it's 'text/html'00:09
+perlDreamerwhich is not a valid GUID00:09
+perlDreamerbut it's enough to mess up the group Form00:09
SquOnkperlDreamer: That's exactly what I'm looking at now ;-)00:10
SquOnkcopypasting works when the copy doesn't have bugs ;-)00:10
+perlDreamerwe're going to need an upgrade sub, too00:10
+perlDreamerto fix all the existing SQLReports...00:11
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12082 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Document shortcut creation bug fix.00:21
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12083 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix a bad default group setting in the SQL Report for download groups.00:21
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12084 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Backporting SQL Report download group default fix.00:21
+perlDreamerSQL Report: fixed00:25
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+perlDreamergallery bug all fixed!00:35
SquOnkyay00:35
+perlDreamerFirefox 2 users of the world (all 6 of you) rejoice00:36
mducharme-workwhee!00:41
+perlDreamer7, counting mducharme-work00:42
mducharme-workheh00:43
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12085 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Backporting final gallery CSS tweaks.00:56
CIA-53WebGUI: graham * r12086 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.6.34-7.6.35.pl): fixed #10279: Some columns still latin1 after upgrade to 7.5.4000:56
CIA-53WebGUI: graham * r12087 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: small fix to regex for asset class names00:56
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12088 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm): Backport shortcut creation fix.00:56
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12089 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/Spectre/Admin.pm: Backport compiler warning fix for Spectre/Admin00:56
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12090 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Document AdminBar fix with bug number.00:56
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12091 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Macro/AdminBar.pm): Backporting fix for displaying packages and prototypes with duplicate titles in the Admin Bar.00:56
+perlDreamerand they're off!00:56
mducharme-work7.6.35 still coming out today?00:57
mducharme-workseems rather late in the day to release...00:57
SquOnkperlbot: There's a bug in spectre. Cosmetic.00:58
SquOnkperlDreamer: Line 77 of spectre... "for reading" instead of "for writing"00:58
SquOnkperlDreamer: Line 79 "after reading" instead of "after writing"00:59
SquOnkperlDreamer: Another copypaste mishap00:59
+perlDreamerabout those copy paste errors...00:59
+perlDreamerfixed (in both branches)01:01
* preaction out for exercise, back later01:04
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CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12092 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/sbin/spectre.pl: Fix some typos in error output in spectre.pl01:59
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12093 /WebGUI/sbin/spectre.pl: Forward porting spectre typo fixes.01:59
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CIA-53WebGUI: graham * r12095 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.7.16-7.7.17.pl): fixed #10279: Some columns still latin1 after upgrade to 7.5.4001:59
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12096 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/create.sql: Preparing for 7.6.35 release.01:59
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+perlDreamerhm, looks like we just swapped an argentinian for an australian03:09
+perlDreamerkeeping the southern hemisphere balance just right03:09
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+patspamwe have an argentinian?03:41
+patspam1 Argentinian is worth more than 1 Australian03:43
+patspamfor the sake of the spanish i18n =p03:43
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+perlDreamerwhat the heck was all that?04:26
SDuensin_Netsplit04:26
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12097 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.35-stable: Release 7.6.35-stable04:27
+perlDreamerall done04:44
daviddelikatperlDreamer: I'm workign on the new status for helpdesk tickets05:03
+perlDreamerall right!05:03
daviddelikatand I was thinking that the user should put a link05:03
+perlDreamerthat thing gets better everytime you touch it05:03
daviddelikatto something that the ticket is wiating for05:03
+perlDreameroh, yeah.  Like the external ticket05:03
+perlDreameror a forum posting05:03
+perlDreameror something05:03
daviddelikatbasically a URL to something05:04
daviddelikatshould it be in the comments or history?05:04
+perlDreamerhistory05:04
daviddelikatthats what I figured,05:04
daviddelikatwhat do you think this new item should be called?05:04
+perlDreamerexternalDependencyURL05:04
daviddelikathmmm, not what I meant but...  do you think I should add a field to store this dependancy?05:05
daviddelikat( a db field )05:05
daviddelikatI was thinking of a name for the new status...05:06
daviddelikatI'm going to internationalize all the statuses05:06
+perlDreamernew status = "Waiting on external"05:06
daviddelikatso it does not really matter too much05:06
daviddelikatbecause the display can be changed easy enouhg05:06
+perlDreameras to db field, seems odd to a db field for something that is kind of rare05:06
+perlDreameris there another way to store the data?05:06
daviddelikatI was just going to put it in the text of the history/comment area05:07
daviddelikatso there would be a box in the history area that said something like 05:07
daviddelikatticket status change to depend on <a href=...>this item</a>05:08
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+patspamam I right in thinking that Rogier did a single-click checkout thing for Shop?06:40
+perlDreamerI think that was topsub06:41
@preactionis it in the bazaar?06:43
+patspamah ok06:43
+patspamcouldn't find it06:43
@preactionif not, we should try to convince him. we might be able to use it06:43
+perlDreamerhe did it for knowmad, so diona or william might be better avenues06:44
+patspamok, thanks06:44
+perlDreamerhow was the exercise, preaction?06:44
@preactiongood. got to go on my first bike ride in a week, the weather was nice06:47
+perlDreamerI'm rebuilding my CentOS VM's tonight06:51
+perlDreamerI nuked them by using the epel repo to get git06:51
+perlDreamerwell, that's what I think happened.  I'll know shortly one way or the other06:52
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+BartJolperlDreamer: up already?11:21
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SynQohm16:49
+BartJolah, Synq in zen17:02
+BartJolis zen17:02
daviddelikatperlDreamer: question17:04
+BartJolI think perlDreamer is in dream land or feeding the kids17:09
+BartJolSynQ: I also installed my handler on www.bartjol.nl17:13
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* perlDreamer is awake now17:46
+perlDreamerSynQ: what does one have to do to build the WRE?17:46
+BartJoltype ./build.sh17:47
+perlDreamerI tried that, and it didn't work17:47
+perlDreamerit didn't get the source, or the perl modules17:47
SynQhmm17:48
SynQget the source.tgz from plainblack17:48
+perlDreamerah, but SynQ, I want to build with the new perl release candidate17:49
SynQbut i'm typing with one hand now17:49
SynQi understood17:49
+perlDreamersorry, man, I will be more patient17:49
SynQbest get wrebuld from git17:49
SynQthen getsources.sh 17:50
SynQand getperlmodules.sh17:50
SynQthen ./build.sh --all17:50
SynQif that all works17:50
SynQreplace perl source by perl rc source17:51
SynQpersonal note: when baby then not much nerding in holliday but much babyplay instead17:52
SynQover17:52
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+BartJoloh and don't forget to put in huge amounts of karma in http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10755 when (not if, when!) it gets approved17:57
+BartJolperlDreamer: you may do the testing :P17:58
+BartJolno, I'm not pushing my own code...18:00
SynQi'm off again18:02
SynQlater18:02
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+perlDreamerBartJol, the post delete behavior is by design18:04
+perlDreamerthat's why trash-limbo was created, in fact18:04
+perlDreamerbecause delete is hierarchial18:04
+BartJolah, ok18:04
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+BartJolwell I understand that it is by design, but users cab have the feeling they did not get warned18:08
+perlDreamerwell, please tell me more about the situation18:09
+perlDreamerI have  CS with lots of posts in a tree18:09
+BartJolyes18:09
+perlDreamerI delete one post18:10
+BartJolyes18:10
+perlDreamerand all the children of my Post disappear, too18:10
+BartJoland it's reactions also get deleted18:10
+BartJolyes18:10
+perlDreamerDo you get a pop-up when the delete happens, like deleting an Asset?18:10
+BartJolno18:10
+BartJolbut it doesn't get deleted right away, but put in the trash18:11
+perlDreamerwell, "delete" in WebGUI always means trash18:11
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+BartJolwell you can fix it by making all posts diectly children of the first post\18:12
+BartJolso no reactions to normal posts18:12
+perlDreamerbut what happens if the Post is restored from the Trash?18:13
+BartJolall get back18:13
+BartJoland you can't select the child18:13
+perlDreamerbut now the structure of the reactions has been changed18:13
+BartJolyes, there is a lineage gap, I see that problem18:13
+BartJolor do you mean after restoring?18:14
+perlDreamerafter restoring18:14
+BartJolwell the basic structure isn't changed18:14
+BartJolonly the status of the post\18:14
+BartJolI wouldn't expect a lineage change18:15
+BartJolduring restoring18:15
+perlDreamerHow about if we were to implement the same pop-up as when deleting other assets?18:16
+perlDreamerI don't know if it's possible, but I can look18:16
+BartJolif you also mention the children18:16
+perlDreameriirc, it's only a label and a link18:16
+BartJoliirc?18:16
+BartJolnot sure what it says for assets18:17
+perlDreamerIf I Recall Correctly18:18
+BartJolmerci18:18
+BartJolit refers only to the direct content18:18
+perlDreamerthat can (and should be) fixed18:18
+BartJolyeah18:18
+perlDreamerwell, as long as you don't mind changing the i18n... :)18:24
+BartJolso it is a bug, but just slightly different from what I posted18:24
+BartJolI'll survive18:24
+perlDreamerOkay :)18:24
+BartJolI haven't seen those huge amounts of i18n yet18:25
+perlDreamerIt's doing the right thing for WebGUI, we just need to tell people about it18:25
+perlDreameryou won't until tomorrow18:25
+BartJolwell I have seen huge amounts of it18:25
+BartJolindeed18:25
+BartJoland I got a dinner invitation, that's convenient18:26
+BartJolhave you seen my tremendous code in action?18:26
+perlDreamerno, not yet18:26
+BartJolI keep bragging anout it, until JT wrecks my confidence :)18:27
* perlDreamer is buried in bugs18:27
+BartJolpoor you18:27
+BartJolI installed it for the world to see18:27
+BartJolhttp://www.bartjol.nl/en/home/wuc-2009-internationaliszation18:28
+perlDreamerit works well18:31
+BartJolaah I may have found another bug18:31
+perlDreamerI was right.  Currently we just provide a label, and a URL. There's no way to build a pop-up into that18:32
+BartJolif you restore a post in the cs the number of replies in the overview isn't updated18:32
+BartJolmmm18:32
+perlDreamerI thought that Martin fixed that18:33
+BartJolwell, it can be caching18:33
+BartJolbut I flushed my server cache18:33
+perlDreameryou can check the db18:33
+perlDreamerBartJol: for deleting a Post, I suggest an RFE to add a new template variable which shows the pop-up18:34
+perlDreamerwe can change the default templates to use it18:34
+BartJolok18:35
+perlDreamerbut those with custom templates will have change things themselves18:35
+perlDreamerand the RFE gives JT a chance to weigh in18:35
+BartJolnope replies still zero18:35
+BartJolin the db18:35
+perlDreamerthat's a bug18:35
+BartJolI know18:36
+perlDreamerI'm going to reopen your other bug, and then close it with a fix18:36
+perlDreamer(for the deleting children)18:36
daviddelikatgotta check out woot: http://www.woot.com/18:36
+BartJolsorry for the extra bug18:36
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+perlDreamernot a problem, BartJol, just fix it and post the patch :)18:36
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+BartJolok18:39
+BartJoldo I have to fix that?18:39
+BartJolwell, I'm becoming a code master lately ;)18:39
+perlDreamerHave to, no.  Welcome to, always.18:39
+BartJolwell18:39
+perlDreameras long as you don't get in trouble with the boss18:39
+BartJolwell bugfixing one of our product shouldn't harm18:40
+perlDreameroh, I remember.  Martin did cut and paste fixes18:42
+perlDreamernot purge/restore18:42
+BartJolah18:42
+perlDreamerthis may not be possible to do without big API changes18:43
+perlDreamerbut, one bug fix at a time18:43
+BartJolwait till my code gets implemented, that will create even more18:43
daviddelikatperlDreamer: I've added the new status for helpdesk tickets, is this new status expected to DO anything?18:43
+perlDreamerwe want it so that we can easily identify and prioritize bugs18:44
+perlDreamerfor example, bugs in 7.6 had a very high priority the last week18:44
+perlDreamerthe only way to find them was to build a spreadsheet by hand18:44
daviddelikatso mostly for reporting18:44
+perlDreamerso, the usage for the new status is sorting (and maybe filtering)18:44
daviddelikatas far as i can tell its done18:45
daviddelikatwanna see?18:45
+perlDreamerYes!18:45
daviddelikathttp://delikat.homeip.net:8080/18:46
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+perlDreamerThis is very good.18:48
+perlDreamerwith this, and the new metadata, managing tickets will be much easier18:48
daviddelikatit really is no big deal, just change a line in HelpDesk.pm and add an entry in the language file18:49
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+BartJolwell, I better leave the restore bug for a more relaxed and wakefull moment18:51
+BartJolmmm and after anther reply it does get updated18:56
+BartJolmmm, but it would mean that you have to search the lineage for a Thread asset, instanciate that, and run sumReplies19:02
+BartJolare there more assets that might suffer that problem... mmm, must dive into that19:03
* cap10morgan is officially in love with git(hub)19:14
+BartJolaah, there is a method for that19:15
mducharme-workhmm does the latest wre need the new module versions listed in the gotchas19:16
mducharme-workor does it include new enough modules already19:16
+perlDreamermducharme-work: it will need new modules19:17
+perlDreameralways safest to run testEnvironment.pl and also check the gotchas19:18
mducharme-workI'm referring to the DBI and DBD-mysql requirement in the latest 7.6.35 released yesterday19:18
+perlDreamertestEnviroment.pl only specifies minimum versions.19:19
+perlDreamerIt doesn't keep track of buggy versions that would meet the minimum requirements19:19
+perlDreamerso if you use those version of DBD/DBI, you should upgrade19:19
+perlDreamer(whether you use WebGUI or not)19:19
mducharme-workI don't know what I use, whatever comes with the latest wre19:19
mducharme-workheh19:19
+perlDreamerin that case, you're fine19:20
mducharme-workI'm upgrading them because I don't know what versions I have19:20
mducharme-workoh19:20
+perlDreamersince all releases are tested against the latest WRE19:20
+perlDreamerbut the WRE may not include all the modules, or the correct versions19:20
mducharme-workok, well now I'm upgrading beyond the latest WRE I guess lol19:20
+BartJoldarn it actually looks like I solved a bug19:21
+perlDreamergood work, bartjol19:21
mducharme-workhrm there is no module called DBD-mysql19:22
+BartJolyes, it does the reply19:22
+BartJolcount19:22
mducharme-workis it Bundle::DBD::mysql?19:22
mducharme-workmake test returned bad19:23
mducharme-workaurgh19:23
+BartJolposted my patch19:26
mducharme-workNo pidFile specified in spectre.conf19:28
mducharme-workuh19:28
mducharme-workhow do I specify a pidfile?19:28
+perlDreamerit's in the gotchas ;)19:28
+perlDreameralso, in etc/spectre.conf.orig19:28
mducharme-workI read the gotchas, it just said I'd need to specify a pidfile without telling me how19:28
+perlDreamerin .3519:28
mducharme-workahh19:28
+perlDreamer?19:28
mducharme-workoops19:29
mducharme-workit was there19:29
+perlDreamerdon't feel too bad, the instructions weren't there in .3419:30
+perlDreamerSynQ mentioned that, and it was fixed in .3519:30
mducharme-workahh!19:30
mducharme-workthe instructions also say I'll have to kill spectre19:31
+perlDreameryes, because the pidfile doesn't exist yet19:31
mducharme-workI assume since I stopped everything except mysql before doing the upgrade, I won't need to do that19:31
mducharme-workI always do that automatically19:31
mducharme-workheh19:31
+perlDreamerthat's sounds right19:31
+BartJolwell, I'm gonna celebrate my first bugfix with a beer, I suppose19:33
+BartJoltomorrow I'll see whether it was approved19:34
+perlDreamerright fix, wrong place :)19:34
+perlDreamerwe try not to add special case code in Asset*.pm19:35
+perlDreamerbut we'll find a good place for the patch19:35
+perlDreamerpreaction, Haarg: ping19:35
@preactionsup fool19:35
@Haarg?19:35
+perlDreamerhttp://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/1075819:35
mducharme-workahh crap colin missed something19:35
+perlDreamerRestoring a Post from Trash doesn't update the replies count19:36
mducharme-workthe popup help text for ldap proxy password is wrong19:36
mducharme-workand the word "attribute" is misspelled in the authentication attribute help popup text19:36
@preactionperlDreamer: I would say that code belongs in publish19:36
@preactionmducharme-work: update the bugs or post new ones please19:36
+BartJolperlDreamer: yeah, well to bad19:36
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mducharme-workI don't know if there are bugs19:37
+perlDreamerthey are bugs19:38
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12099 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset.pm): Improve the delete asset i18n message to mention children.19:38
mducharme-workno I mean, is there like a bug number19:38
mducharme-workhow do I know what to update19:38
mducharme-workheh19:38
+perlDreamerno, no posted bugs for this.  You'll need to post new ones.19:39
mducharme-workdammit19:39
mducharme-workheh19:39
mducharme-workthere, posted19:43
mducharme-workthat was more painless than I thought it would be19:48
+perlDreamerthe upgrade, or the bug posting?19:48
mducharme-workthe bug posting19:49
mducharme-workI was expecting some complicated bugzilla setup19:49
mducharme-workwhere I"d have to fill out umpteen forms and register for a bugzilla account19:49
mducharme-worklol19:49
mducharme-workI'm almost shocked that you're using the help desk module for that19:57
+perlDreamerwebgui.org is the primary customer for the helpdesk19:58
+perlDreamerthanks to daviddelikat's hard work, it is coming right along19:58
mducharme-workI mean it's nice from a UI perspective, made things easier for me19:59
mducharme-workbut don't bug tracking things like bugzilla support integration directly with CVS/SVN repos?19:59
mducharme-workwhich you'd lose out on using the helpdesk for bug tracking19:59
+perlDreamerI know that Trac does that, but I don't think bugzilla does.19:59
mducharme-workahh ok20:00
@preactionbut what good is that if the UI sucks? if users can't report bugs, why do you need a bug tracker?20:00
mducharme-workheh20:00
@preactionTrac is more of a project management system, it's what I'd like our PMS to be20:00
mducharme-workdoes that mean you'd put a CVS/SVN server directly in webgui?20:01
+perlDreamerno, just a way to talk to one20:01
@preactionand more likely git20:02
@preactionwell, to start at least20:02
mducharme-workahh ok20:02
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12100 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset.pm: Fix an i18n typo.20:08
mducharme-workboy colin sure does a lot of bug fixes20:10
+perlDreameryeah, he's a very busy gut20:10
+perlDreamerguy20:10
mducharme-workpractically every source commit is his it seems20:10
+perlDreamerwell, as you may have noticed, he also has to fix a lot of bugs that he creates20:11
+perlDreamerlike for that LDAP one20:11
mducharme-workahh20:11
+perlDreamerso his "hit rate" is probably more like in the 60's20:11
mducharme-workok20:11
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+perlDreamerdreamersgirl: still raining on and off20:16
dreamersgirli know.  :(20:17
* perlDreamer and dreamersgirl and trainDreamer and animatedDreams were supposed to go to an outdoor concert today20:20
+perlDreamerbut it's raining in oregon :(20:20
mducharme-workI assume those are not 4 unrelated people who just all happen to have "dream" in their nick20:22
mducharme-workbecause that would be too much of a coincidence :)20:23
+perlDreamerno, those would be my wife and boys20:23
mducharme-workahh20:23
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CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12101 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): Allow autocommit workflows to do apply (save & re-edit).20:38
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CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12102 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/AuthLDAP.pm): Fix two LDAP typos related to the recent relabeling.20:53
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12103 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/AuthLDAP.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Backporting LDAP i18n fixes.20:53
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12104 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Backporting Asset delete i18n message improvement.20:53
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+perlDreamerekennedy, thanks again for bug fixing on Monday and Tuesday21:59
* perlDreamer will be gone for a while22:20
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SquOnkGreetings22:24
SquOnk7.6.35 packages should hit Debian Sid this evening (VET)22:24
SquOnkIt includes automatic upgrades and a revamped init script.22:24
SquOnkI will not be uploading packages for at least two or three weeks. That way, the package in Sid will be promoted to Squeezy on account of being 10-days old.22:27
SquOnkOne thing I want the next release to have is the proper execution of test, no matter _where_ one invokes testCodebase22:36
SquOnkBTW, I get a bunch of "Called UNIVERSAL::can() as a function, not a method at /usr/share/perl5/DateTime/TimeZone.pm line 77" every time I run tests.22:38
SquOnk(It's a bug in DateTime::TimeZone, mind you, not WebGUI's :-)22:38
SquOnkWhat's the rationale behind running testCodebase within $WEBGUI/bin instead of anyplace?22:40
@Haargprobably more of an oversight than anything22:44
SquOnkHaarg: :-)22:44
@Haargideally all the scripts would be runnable from anywhere but i know that isn't always the case22:44
SquOnkHaarg: Well, I have local patches that allow testCodebase to be run from anyplace.22:44
@Haargas for the UNIVERSAL::can thing, it's a UNIVERSAL::can bug.22:44
SquOnkHaarg: I basically set up $webguiRoot exactly like the rest of the scripts, and then just chdir into it at the beginning, plus replacing t instead of ../t22:45
@Haargdo you know what version of UNIVERSAL::can you are using?22:45
SquOnkHaarg: 1.1222:46
@Haargyeah, newer versions fix that i believe22:47
SquOnkGreat, so that's not an issue22:47
@Haargyeah, and they are only warnings22:47
SquOnkHaarg: And those tests are supposed to pass on a fresh install, right?22:48
@Haargyes22:48
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@preactionwould a series of articles entitles "What Happens When I Click...?" be useful or interesting to any of you?00:25
@preactionso like "What happens when I click 'Save' on an asset?". Well, Virginia, clicking Save calls www_editSave on your asset. WebGUI creates a new revision and then calles processPropertiesFromFormPost which fills that new revision with the data you entered. ... etc...00:27
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mducharme-worknot to me00:48
mducharme-workheh00:48
mducharme-workI don't care what save does underneath as long as it works ;)00:48
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Mech422Hi all01:02
Mech422anyone know of any funkinesses with user.isVisitor ?01:02
Mech422my login template always seems to think your an anonymous vistitor... http://webgui.pastebin.com/m481fd96801:03
+perlDreamerMech422!01:08
+perlDreamerhowdy01:08
Mech422Hey pd :-)  How goes ?01:08
+perlDreamerhead above water01:10
+perlDreamersomedays, that's all you can ask for01:10
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Mech422Heh - most important day of the year is coming up...01:13
Mech422back to school day :-)01:13
+perlDreamer3 weeks, 5 days, 18 hours01:13
Mech422LOL01:13
Mech422I got like 10 days :-)01:13
+perlDreamery'all start early01:14
Mech422yeah - they get out early too01:14
Mech422could you look at the first conditional in that paste, an tell me if I did anything stupid ?  it displays 'user.isVisitor is TRUE' even after I login as admin ?01:16
+perlDreamerme smells a bug, let me check01:16
Mech422ahh...I thought it might be me that smelled :-P01:16
+perlDreamerwhich version?01:17
Mech422gahh...Um.. lemme go look01:18
+perlDreamerlook in the source of any page, near the top01:18
+perlDreamerit's there01:18
Mech422its pretty recent - right after last release I belive - ahh - checking01:18
Mech4227.7.901:19
Mech422thats slick - I'll have to remember thats there01:19
+perlDreamerit's very handy sometimes01:19
+perlDreamerI think if one was careful, you could use it to find all the public webgui sites in the world01:20
nubai used to hide it in my setups, for security purposes01:22
nubalikewise for the server signature (the one mentioning apache version, OS, loaded modules, etc)01:22
nubasame with opensshd's handshake too01:23
nuba:)01:23
+perlDreamerMech422, can you show me the template in action, either on your site or a demo site?01:24
+perlDreamerthe code looks good, and it's working on a quick check that I have setup on a dev box01:24
Mech422what bugs me is the WG default stuff works - click on 'conferences' after you login and it sasy 'welcom admin' 01:25
Mech422its just my front page one thats borked01:25
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Mech422Hmm - does setting the cache timeout to 0 disable caching of an asset ?01:50
+perlDreamerFor the snippet, any value less than 10 seconds disables caching01:51
Mech422ahh - very cool01:51
+perlDreameradmin mode will disable caching as well01:53
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Mech422pd: really?  I saw that issue even with the left 'admin strip' open ?01:54
+perlDreamerI just checked, and I'm not seeing it.01:57
+perlDreamerOf course, now, you've disabled caching01:57
Mech422lol - sorry01:57
SquOnkDo you think #10762 (just filed) has a chance to make it for 7.6.36?02:20
+perlDreamerno02:21
+perlDreamerwell, I don't know02:21
SquOnkperlDreamer: You read too fast...02:21
+perlDreamerI did, let me read more slowly02:22
SquOnkperlDreamer: And look at the patch, and test it...02:22
+perlDreamerwell, I say no because there won't be a 7.6.3602:22
SquOnkperlDreamer: Oh02:23
+perlDreamernormally I don't shoot down ideas so quickly ;)02:23
SquOnk7.6.35 was <g> supposed to be the last one of the series02:24
mducharmethe next release will be 7.7 stable?02:24
+perlDreamerre the patch: anything in the core would have to be default setup specific, so /data/WebGUI instead of /usr/share/webgui02:24
SquOnkperlDreamer: I have no problem with /data/WebGUI02:25
SquOnkperlDreamer: My patch is because I run WebGUI in /usr/share. Just put /data/WebGUI there. In fact, that how the other scripts work too.02:25
+perlDreamerokay02:25
SquOnkperlDreamer: (And the Debian patch would only need to change that one line ;-)02:26
+perlDreamerwhat's the debian rule about non-official releases?02:26
+perlDreamerif there was a 7.5.35-1?02:26
SquOnkperlDreamer: I can have 7.6.35-2 with my own patch.02:26
+perlDreamerexcellent02:27
SquOnkperlDreamer: And that's what I will have to do if 7.6.36 doesn't see the light.02:27
+perlDreamerI may (on my own) put out some post-stable releases of 7.5.35 with no database or package changes02:27
+perlDreamerso 35-1, 35-2 and so on02:27
+perlDreamerbackporting what I can when I have spare time02:27
SquOnkperlDreamer: That would work.02:27
+perlDreamerwe can even keep it in WebGUI SVN02:28
+perlDreamerso that other could help, too02:28
SquOnkperlDreamer: As I've said before today, I want to upload a definitive version (be it 7.5.35, 36 or 35 with this patch) so that it can move from Sid to Squeezy (testing).02:28
SquOnkperlDreamer: That way, we will be sure that there's a fairly recent version of WebGUI in testing and focus on upgradind to 7.702:29
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SquOnkperlDreamer: See, a package has to spend at least 10 days in Sid in order to be promoted to testing. The WebGUI development process, being as fast and focused as it is, releases every week so packages don't have a chance to be promoted.02:29
+perlDreameryou've gotta be kidding02:30
SquOnkperlDreamer: ...because I upgrade/upload as soon as you release.02:30
SquOnkperlDreamer: No, it's like that.02:30
SquOnkperlDreamer: 10 days in Sid without RC bugs, you get promoted.02:30
+perlDreamerokay.  I've never heard that we release too quickly before :)02:30
+perlDreamercan I give you an answer tomorrow?02:31
SquOnkperlDreamer: Sure.02:31
+perlDreamerI like the concept of not having hardcoded paths in there, but I'd rather do it the way that WebGUI::Test does it02:32
+perlDreamerwhich is to determine the root directory based on the config file02:32
+perlDreamerthen there would be no need for a switch or extra variable02:32
SquOnkperlDreamer: Of course02:32
mducharmesid? squeezy?02:32
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+perlDreamerare you okay with that approach?02:32
+perlDreamermducharme: debian releases are named after Toy Story characters, iirc02:33
SquOnkperlDreamer: Fine with me as long as: testCodebase ends up being runnable anywhere and there's only one place where I need to change the webguiRoot :-)02:33
mducharmeahh02:33
+perlDreamerit would autodetect it from the config file that is specified to be used, SquOnk02:33
+perlDreamereither via existing command line, or from the environment variable02:34
+perlDreamerso no changes at all for debian/core02:34
mducharmeI think it would be nice if webgui releases were fewer and farther between...02:35
SquOnkperlDreamer: Hopefully.02:35
* perlDreamer needs to start working on dinner. catch you all later02:35
mducharmemost software companies will release updates every few months or so02:35
Mech422Oh ! Debian goodness ? cool :-)02:36
SquOnkMech422: 7.5.35 packages will make Sid this evening.02:37
Mech422SquOnk: I've got wG running on stable - amd6402:38
SquOnkMech422: (They work in Lenny if you install libjs-yui from Sid manually)02:38
SquOnkMech422: Good to hear that. Please post bugs if you find them!02:38
Mech422Ahh cool - no bugs so far - I just haxor'd the build script - didn't use packages02:38
SquOnkMech422: What do you mean?02:38
SquOnkMech422: Oh, I see.02:39
Mech422I took the default WRE build script and made it build on lenny amd6402:39
SquOnkMech422: Well, if you point to Sid and pin webgui, you can just aptitude install webgui02:39
Mech422cool02:39
Mech422Dinner time...02:40
Mech422Later all :-)02:40
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CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12105 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): let users know that they may see messages about missing templates during an upgrade.02:41
SquOnkperlDreamer: FWIW, apart from that patch, the other thing I'm going to include in 7.6.36 or 7.6.35-2 is a helper script that downloads any given i18n and builds a proper Debian package for it ;-)02:42
SquOnkdh-webgui-i18n --lang Spanish02:43
SquOnk...will give you webgui-i18n-spanish, you install that and be merry.02:43
mducharmeSquOnk: it's just regular webgui, not the wre, you're putting on debian, correct?02:45
SquOnkmducharme: Exactly02:45
SquOnkmducharme: Most of the things the WRE does will be done the Debian way02:46
mducharmeahh02:46
SquOnkmducharme: Things like upgrades will be handled automatically vía dist-upgrade02:46
mducharmeso you will have the equivalent of a modproxy?02:46
SquOnkmducharme: Things like database creation (work in progress) will be done during install through debconf/dbconfig, and can be changed afterwards with dpkg-reconfigure02:47
SquOnkmducharme: Also, integration with other tools will be as easy as possible.02:47
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SquOnkmducharme: For instance, the current package uses ghostscript to get ps/pdf to text, which is way faster than using xpdf02:48
mducharmeright but if I'm not mistaken, the specific setup of apache with the two instances in the WRE is done to boost the performance of webgui02:48
mducharmeI remember webgui being a lot slower back before the WRE02:48
SquOnkmducharme: Ah, Debian's webgui won't do that because one cannot force a specific configuration for other packages.02:49
SquOnkmducharme: I will provide sample config files, though.02:49
mducharmeright, I'd just be concerned that that would give people the impression that webgui is slow...02:49
SquOnkmducharme: Not if they read README.Debian, as every decent Debian user does :-)02:50
mducharmelol02:50
mducharmepeople actually read readme files?02:50
mducharmereally?02:50
SquOnkmducharme: Besides, during installation there will be an explicit notice through debconf that will direct users to read what they need to read.02:50
mducharmewhat planet do they live on?02:50
mducharmehehe02:50
SquOnkSee you guys tomorrow...02:51
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+patspamanyone know a good website for finding/comparing ISPs in the US?02:52
+patspamor just ISP recommendations in general?02:52
+patspamor is it not such a major issue in the US? here in Aus where we have crap speeds and download limits it makes a big difference..02:53
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+perlDreamerpatspam, I'd ask JT.  He seems to know all the good hosters.07:16
+perlDreamerhang on, isn't there a compare stuff network for that?07:21
+perlDreamernope07:22
+perlDreamerhey, tavisto!07:22
@tavistoyo07:22
@tavistoask JT what?07:22
+perlDreamerhow come there isn't a comparehoster.com Matrix site?07:23
+perlDreamerhostermatrix.com07:23
@tavistohe and I are in Indy right now doing a hackathon for cmsmatrix07:23
@tavistowe thought about it07:23
+perlDreamerhackathon for cmsmatrix?07:23
@tavistobut it didn't get priority over TGC07:23
+perlDreamersounds fun :)07:23
@tavistoyeah we got crap to fix07:23
+perlDreamerneed help?07:23
@tavistosearch is basically junk and we're changing stuff around07:23
@tavistomaybe, I can ask JT07:24
@tavistoif you want in, we need a key part fixed07:24
@tavistothe search currently returns all results and puts checkboxes next to them07:24
+perlDreamerwhich one?07:24
+perlDreamerright07:24
@tavistoinstead of that... it needs to only return07:24
@tavistothe products that match07:25
+perlDreamerthose that would have been checked07:25
@tavistoright now JT is sorting the list and converting the 1000+ products so that the "system requirements" fields are very generic. Previously there were about 200 options for each field in that group07:25
+perlDreamerouch07:25
@tavistoBTW, there is also another site that does a good job of doing a hosting matrix type site07:25
+perlDreamerwhat is it?07:26
@tavistoI dont remember the name of it offhand but they would be tough to beat. We may still try once TGC providing us with millions in monthly revenue  :)07:26
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+perlDreamerthen you can hire me!07:26
@tavistoyeppers07:26
+perlDreamerwait a second...07:26
+patspamcan you guys have that ispmatrix thing up and running before I move to the states at the end of the month?07:27
@tavistoI'm sure we COULD if enough money was involved :)07:27
@tavistoyou're moving to the US? Where?07:27
+patspamlong island, NY07:27
@tavistowow! Work visa?07:27
+patspamhelen (my gf) is starting a ph.d at SUNY (stony brook)07:28
@tavistosweet!!07:28
+patspamyeah really excited!07:28
@tavistoGood to see the US continues to steal good talent from down under07:28
+patspamheh, the brain drain07:28
@tavistothe usa says NOM NOM NOM NOM07:28
+patspamstill sorting the visas, luckily i'll be going back and forth a fair bit for work in the first 12 months so i can just use the 3 month via waiver07:28
@tavistoperldreamer, you up to the challenge or what?07:28
@tavistothat's great man.. will be nice to have you closer07:29
+patspamyeah, and in the same time zone! really looking forward to that07:29
+patspamwhat broadband ISPs do you use tav?07:30
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+perlDreamertavisto, don't bother me, I'm hacking on the Matrix search for JT07:31
@tavistogrr07:31
+perlDreamer:)07:32
+perlDreamer=)07:32
@tavisto;)07:32
+perlDreamer"Things that make you go, grrrr"07:32
@tavistolol and one minor part to that hack is that if someone's search returns more than 10 products (and they try to compare) the message that pops up says they are trying to compare too many. That already exists.. We just need to mod that message and say that the maximum number of products to compare is 1007:33
@tavistothat's probably one of those changes that provides instant gratification for you since it's an easy change. Just thought I would let you know. You and JT can race to get the easy task07:34
+perlDreamerI think I hear my mother calling me...07:40
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@tavistowuss07:49
+perlDreamerdude, the search button doesn't even work in 7.707:53
@tavistoseriously?07:57
+perlDreamertotally, unfortunately07:57
@tavistoThe only thing I've heard about it was the Opera issue07:57
@tavistoson of ah bee07:58
+perlDreamerwell, that was in 7.607:58
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12106 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the search button in the view template.08:23
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12107 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix bad Matrix i18n when selecting no listings and hitting compare.08:23
+perlDreamertavisto: ping08:39
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CIA-53WebGUI: When the matrix displays search results, only show those that match. Previously,09:08
CIA-53WebGUI: it displayed all the products, with those that matched having checked boxes.09:08
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CIA-53WebGUI: Update testCodebase.pl to extract the WebGUI root directory from the absolute09:38
CIA-53WebGUI: path to a config file, just like a standalone test would.09:38
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CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12110 /WebGUI/ (8 files in 5 dirs): i18n several items in the Matrix, and Matrix listing.10:25
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+perlDreamerGood morning, everybody!18:10
mducharme-workmorning perlDreamer18:15
mducharme-workyou seem chipper today18:15
+perlDreamerIt's 7.7 release day18:15
+perlDreamerIf I'm not chipper, then I'm in deep trouble18:15
mducharme-workyou mean 7.7 stable???18:16
+perlDreamerthat's the plan18:16
mducharme-workyay!18:16
mducharme-workI thought that was like a month away18:20
@steveo_aaThat's what I had heard as well.18:21
@Haargyay new router http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3450/routerg.jpg18:22
+perlDreamerNew router for you Haarg?18:23
@Haargyeah18:23
+perlDreamerawesome18:23
mducharme-workwhy does your router have USB ports?18:23
@Haargwhy not?18:23
mducharme-workwhat is the purpose I mean?18:23
+perlDreamerso it can mount and share drives as network storage?18:23
@Haargit's just an embedded pc.  i don't plan to use them for anything.18:23
mducharme-workit's like a soekris box?18:24
@Haargsimilar18:24
@Haarghttp://www.pcengines.ch/alix2d3.htm18:24
@Haargstill waiting for the cf card18:25
@Haargi've been using an old pc, but it's loud, uses too much power, and i don't really trust it to be very reliable.18:25
mducharme-workcf?18:25
mducharme-workahh compact flash18:25
@Haargand it is using an old 400mb hard drive18:25
mducharme-worksorry I have music on the brain, been studying for university, cf is an abbreviation for cantus firmus18:25
@Haargso you can imagine that won't last18:26
mducharme-workyeah I prefer using solid state stuff wherever it makes sense..18:26
@Haargthe pc i've been using has a fan on the cpu that doesn't work anymore, so it just has to make do with the heatsink.18:31
+perlDreamerthat's one way to quiet it down18:31
@Haargyeah18:32
@Haargit grinded a lot, then would get quiet.  so i opened it to check and it turned out it was just stopping.18:32
+perlDreamerany opinions on what the default privacy field settings should be for new profile fields?18:32
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mducharme-workis it possible to have a profile field that the user themselves cannot modify, that is only modifiable by admin?18:33
ryuu_ro_perlDreamer: I would say private18:34
+perlDreamermducharme-work: yes.  Just set it to not visible, not editable18:34
mducharme-workI would say private as well....18:34
mducharme-workok18:34
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mducharme-workI wasn't sure if setting it not editable would prevent it from being edited by admin as well...18:37
+perlDreamerno, not editable is for the user18:47
+perlDreamerthe only way that field will be editable is via the User Admin Console screen18:47
mducharme-workheh it's funny it was just announced a week ago that the stable 7.7 was delayed..18:55
+perlDreamerit was supposed to be a while ago18:57
+perlDreamerhowever, as Damian Conway has said, the process of enbugging has outstripped the process of debugging18:58
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12114 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Set a default privacy value in the radio list when creating new profile fields.18:58
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mducharme-workis there any kind of migration tool to migrate an existing news system based on the collaboration system to the story manager?19:11
+perlDreamerno19:11
mducharme-workdamn19:11
mducharme-workok19:11
mducharme-workheh19:11
+perlDreamerand it appears my "7.7 is stable" comment is premature19:14
+perlDreamertoo many open bugs as of yet19:15
mducharme-workoh19:16
mducharme-work:(19:21
mducharme-workdo you have to fix all the bugs before release?19:24
+perlDreameras many as possible :)19:24
mducharme-workor will you just label the help desk wobject "help desk (beta)"19:25
mducharme-workstuff like that19:25
@preactionhelp desk isn't in the core of WebGUI19:25
+perlDreamerfor 7.7 stable, all we really need to fix are core bug19:25
mducharme-workahh ok so the issues to do with the help desk then are not holding up the stable19:25
+perlDreamerno webgui.org/plainblack bugs19:26
+perlDreamerright19:26
mducharme-worki see some of the bugs are for story manager too, I imagine most of those will need to be fixed prior to release19:26
mducharme-workbecause that's part of the core right?19:26
+perlDreameryes19:26
+perlDreamerbut if you file a bug that there's no CS to SM translation script, I'll refile it as an RFE19:27
+perlDreamerso don't go there...19:27
mducharme-workI didn't plan to...19:27
+perlDreamer:)19:27
mducharme-workI wouldn't want to hold up the release for that to begin with19:28
mducharme-workeven though ti's a feature I would like19:29
mducharme-workheh19:29
mducharme-workI think I'll file an RFE for that actually19:29
mducharme-workis there a webgui demo site that is running 7.7.x?19:33
mducharme-workI just wanted to try out the story manager..19:33
mducharme-workahh nevermind found it19:37
mducharme-workheh19:37
mducharme-workbizarre..19:42
mducharme-workno add button19:42
mducharme-workahh nevermind, it's because I made a topic instead of a story archive..19:42
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@preactionperlDreamer, Haarg: Should it be possible to call $asset->indexContent at any time you think?23:04
+perlDreamerno23:04
@preactioncurrently it's not23:04
@preactionwhy not?23:04
+perlDreamerI just worked around a bug with this23:04
+perlDreamerlet me think23:04
+perlDreamerif you call indexContent before update is called, then you get off by 123:04
+perlDreamerlast update'd data is indexed this time23:05
+perlDreamerso it has to be after update23:05
+perlDreamersince index calls get23:05
@preactionright, but what if we update again? then what?23:05
+perlDreamerthen you have to call indexContent again23:05
@preactionbut you can't, the indexer does an insert23:05
@preactionnot a replace or an update23:05
+perlDreamermmmm, that doesn't sound right23:06
@preactionwait. wtf. how does this work?23:06
+perlDreamerotherwise, updated assets would never be updated in the search index23:06
@preactioni officially do not understand.23:07
@preactionit does an INSERT, but what actually happens is a replace23:07
@preactionthere are no duplicate assetIds in the index, each asset has only one entry23:09
+perlDreamercreate does an insert23:09
+perlDreamerall other calls to the indexer are supposed to use addKeywords23:09
+perlDreamerwhich does an update23:09
@preactionbut every www_editSave eventually calls indexContent23:09
@preactioncheck that, every commit23:10
+perlDreamerright23:11
+perlDreamerand commit has unique db fields, so the create doesn't puke23:11
+perlDreamerso, through the UI, it always does the right thing23:12
+perlDreamerhow did you get from map bugs over to that?23:14
@preactionbut the primary key has to be unique in the table23:17
@preactioni'm working on some TGC bugs for JT right now23:18
@preactioni don't want him to be able to say i didn't do what he asked me to do23:18
@preactionwow. it works with insert... i think it's mysql automatically turning it into a replace23:20
+perlDreamergood thinking23:20
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@preactionha, i did end up finding a bug in the indexer23:55
@preactioni'll fix it23:55
+perlDreamerdon't forget to file it :)23:55
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carograycalendar question?00:19
+perlDreamerask away00:19
carograyCalendar used to have a limit so that you could only send 30 days of events from one calendar to the next, that has now changed right?00:20
carograyyou can adjust it in the calendar feed?00:20
@preactionyes, you can adjust the feed window size. in the Display tab00:20
+perlDreamergood question, I'll check in the code00:20
carograywindow size?00:21
carograyit's ICalendar Feed Interval at the bottom of the display tab, right?00:21
@preactionyes00:21
carograyand that's the calendar that's feeding INTO the "bigger" calendar right?00:22
carograyi.e. the sending, not receiving calendar00:22
@preactiontry it and see, but yes00:22
carograyperfect thanks.. I thought I had used this before, but... just checking quickly thanks so much.00:22
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SquOnkGreeting00:24
SquOnks00:24
@preactionafternoon00:24
+perlDreamerHey, SquOnk00:24
SquOnkperlDreamer: So, will there by 7.6.36 or not?00:24
SquOnkbe00:24
+perlDreamerno .36.  This weekend there will be a .35-100:25
* SquOnk has "keyboard issues" today00:25
SquOnk.35.100:25
+perlDreamerdoes the nomenclature matter to Debian?00:25
SquOnkperlDreamer: Good enough. I'll package that one as the final webgui 7.6 for Debian Sid so it gets through to testing.00:25
SquOnkperlDreamer: We'd prefer not to deal with dashes since we use dashes for internal Debian revisions.00:26
SDuensinHey gang.00:26
SquOnkperlDreamer: Speaking of "last version"...00:26
SquOnkIf I have 7.6.34, what's the minimal version I can upgrade _from_ (7.5.what?)00:27
SquOnk(I want to put that in the README notes)00:27
@preactionSquOnk: read the gotchas in the latest 7.6 version, it should say in there00:27
SquOnkpreaction: Ok, let me see00:27
SquOnkperlDreamer: 7.6.35.1 is greater than 7.6.35 in "debian version comparison"00:28
SquOnkperlDreamer: 7.6.35-1 is awkward to handle, because -1 is used by Debian internal revision system.00:29
+perlDreamerI'll use .1, then00:29
SquOnkSay I packaged webgui 7.6.35 for the first time, then it's 7.6.35-1 in Debian. Say I make a patch or improve the package without upgrading webgui proper, then it becomes 7.6.35-200:30
SquOnkThen, if you release 7.6.35.1 I can release 7.6.35.1-1 and that will trump 7.6.35-*00:30
SquOnkpreaction: I can have either 7.5.24 or 7.5.40 to be able to use 7.6.3500:33
@preactionyes00:33
+perlDreamerpreaction: t-25 minutes00:33
SquOnkpreaction: And I will need 7.6.14 or (I presume) 7.6.35 in order to use 7.7.x00:33
@preactioncorrect00:34
SquOnkGood.00:34
@preactionbut there may be stop-points in between sometimes (the upgrade system isn't always perfect, but we've got something for 8.x that will eliminate the problem)00:34
+perlDreamerooooohhhhhh00:35
+perlDreamerLift?00:35
SquOnk8.0 comes after 7.7? No 7.8?00:35
@preactioni think, not sure00:35
@preactionwe're not sure how the plan is going to progress in re 7.8. that'll be sorted out at the WUC00:36
SquOnkWhat are the release goals for 7.8/8.0?00:36
@preactionthat too will be part of the WUC00:36
SquOnkI'd love to go to the WUC, but I don't have the money :(00:36
SquOnkThat way, I could rise my hand higher when asked "who wants/need PostgreSQL support?"00:37
@preactionJT's keynote (where he announces this stuff) will be available after the WUC for public download00:37
SquOnkBoth hands, actually.00:37
SquOnkAnd feet.00:37
@preactionalso, perlDreamer i'll have that bug fixed, just making a test for the module (that hasn't been tested yet)00:38
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12115 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): 00:38
CIA-53WebGUI: Draw a fieldset around each Photo and its metadata.00:38
CIA-53WebGUI: Change the delete label so that it is clear that you are deleting the image and the metadata.00:38
CIA-53WebGUI: Redo the image upload form so that it is clear that uploading a new image to a photo with00:38
CIA-53WebGUI: an existing image replaces the existing with the new one.00:38
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12116 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.17/root_import_storymanager_editstory.wgpkg: Story Edit template i18n00:38
+perlDreamerSquOnk, if you hang in IRC that day, I'll report on the keynote as well00:38
SquOnkperlDreamer: Great.00:39
+perlDreamerwell, as long as the fine hotel wireless is working...00:39
+perlDreamerhe'll probably announce that we're dropping Mysql support in favor of00:40
SDuensinOooo...  Liveblogging.00:40
+perlDreamerDrizzle00:40
+perlDreamer:)00:40
@preactionwe've been talking in the backroom about a lot of solutions there00:40
SDuensinWhen is the WUC?00:41
@preactionif postgres can outperform mysql innodb then we might look at that00:41
@preactionSeptember 10? i think00:41
SquOnkDon't drop support. Go DBIx::Class so you have support for whatever00:41
+perlDreamerSeptember 10th and 11th00:41
SquOnkpreaction: I can make PostgreSQL outperform MySQL anytime.00:41
@preactionSquOnk: if you want DBIx::Class support for the asset system, I'm working on an asset API that will use it00:42
SquOnkpreaction: In fact, that's one of my main lines of business here ;-)00:42
@preactionit won't be part of Core, but it can be used alongside with a compatibility layer (also in development)00:42
@preactionhttp://github.com/preaction/modern-webgui <- here for DBIx::Class support00:42
@preactionlet me push what i have, i've got the layout figured out and i'm starting to fill in tests and methods00:43
SquOnkpreaction: Cool00:43
SquOnkpreaction: See? Another reason to go to WUC.00:43
SquOnkI'm hoping for the current WebGUI customer I have to sponsor me... but I don't think is going to happen.00:43
+perlDreamercustomers00:44
@preactionit's only a couple hundred bucks for the ticket right now (but i suspect plane for you will be not cheap)00:44
SquOnkThey oficially finished testing and training today, got the styles worked out, and started working on the production system.00:44
@preactionis perigrin going to the WUC with HDP?00:44
@preactionif so, we'll have a minor Perl demigod there too ;)00:45
SquOnkpreaction: Well. Plane tickets aren't cheap, but I can pay for them in Bolivares. The problem is getting $ for expenses. There's a tight currency exchange control meant to be so hard to get the money that it's almost impossible in so short notice to get it...00:45
@preactionthe politics of money? lame00:45
SDuensinSpeaking of Perl...  Is there an easy way to serialize/deserialize objects to XML or JSON?00:45
SquOnk...unless the Finance and Economy Ministry shows up with the $, precisely the customer I'm referring to ;-)00:45
SquOnkOh, speaking of JSON00:46
@preactionSDuensin: XML::Simple works, but it can be too simple many times.00:46
+perlDreamerSDuensin: JSON.pm00:46
+perlDreamerXML::Simple sucks00:46
SquOnkI haven't found a way to do this, so you just answer "can't be done" to make me happy:00:46
+perlDreamerbadly00:46
* SDuensin is scheming. :-D00:46
SquOnkI would like to have some sort of "include" feature in webgui.conf00:46
SquOnkI'll explain why.00:46
SquOnkDebian has a tool named dbconfig. It's quite magical.00:47
SquOnkYou give hostname, database name, admin user and password, and it will do what you need it to do, schema loading included.00:47
+perlDreamerhttp://search.cpan.org/~rizen/Config-JSON-1.3.1/lib/Config/JSON.pm#Includes00:47
+perlDreamerNote the author name there ;)00:48
SquOnkAh, my incompetence is due to my using an old version of Config::JSON00:49
SquOnkAnyway...00:49
SquOnk...dbconfig can create the appropiate stanza for any configuration file. So 2+2=400:49
SquOnkLet dbconfig worry about DB creation, generate the config piece and let that be included in the standard config file.00:50
SquOnkperlDreamer: Thanks.00:50
+perlDreameryw00:51
SDuensinDang.  JSON.pm does everything.00:53
+perlDreamerSDuensin: have you bitten the JSON in the db bug?00:54
SDuensinBitten it?  I just thought it was bad design.00:54
+perlDreamerno, non-normalized data is all the rage these days00:54
SDuensinMade me rage, that's for sure.  :-P00:55
+perlDreamerindeed =)00:55
* SDuensin is re-visiting his idea for "Visual Basic for WebGUI".00:55
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+perlDreamerpreaction: I could use some layout advice00:58
@preactionok00:58
+perlDreamerhttp://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/1069700:58
+perlDreamertemplate is here: http://gist.github.com/16748800:59
+perlDreamerHaarg, export could use a nopaste switch ;)00:59
+perlDreamerwgd export -nopaste Gist assetId00:59
+perlDreamerpreaction: I left the templates loose so that I didn't throw in extra code that the designer would just pull out01:00
+perlDreamernow I'm getting bit by that01:00
@preactionperlDreamer: wgd export | <some program that pastes somewhere>01:01
@preactionthere are programs that should be able to help you there01:01
@preactioni'd say just add <br/> where you need them01:01
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* perlDreamer starts breakin'01:02
@preactioni'm gonna try to get this test finished, but if i don't feel free to start your release01:12
+perlDreamerneck deep in templates01:12
@preactioni hate seeing things that aren't tested at all, so i'm adding as much as possible01:12
+perlDreamerdude, I applaud your approach01:13
+perlDreamerbut you'll be writing tests for the next 6 weeks01:13
@preactionbut WebGUI::Search::Index is a small module, should be done in an hour or so01:14
@preactionthough, if i were writing tests for the next 6 weeks would that be a bad thing?01:22
+perlDreamerNo.01:22
+perlDreamerjust thinking about gettings bugs fixed01:22
+perlDreameronce the bug pressure is off, I'll write more tests again01:22
+perlDreameryikes!01:34
+perlDreamerI have to start defrosting some dinner01:34
+perlDreamerbrb01:34
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12117 /WebGUI/docs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 01:39
CIA-53WebGUI: Change the layout of the story templates. Added break tags to force the01:39
CIA-53WebGUI: lines to break.01:39
SDuensinWow.  I didn't realize Perl 6 actually *ran* yet.  Last I saw it was only implemented in Haskell.01:49
daviddelikatthey are talking about having an official release one of these days01:50
daviddelikatso thata people will start using it...01:50
SDuensinhehehe01:50
daviddelikatapparently they want more input from the comunity01:51
SDuensinI'm very interested in Parrot.  Their web site pretty much sucks.01:51
SquOnkParrot is quite nice.01:51
daviddelikatI've not been to the site, but I'd like to have a couple days to look at it01:52
SquOnkIf I'm lucky to get scheduled the Compilers track next year, I will have the students generate PIL01:52
SDuensinWebGUI on Parrot would make what I'm trying to do a lot easier.  :-)01:52
daviddelikatsupposedly it is designed for dynamic languages01:52
+perlDreamerno supposedly to it01:53
daviddelikatit would be interesting to try wrtiting apps in parrot, but it is intended for use in language development01:53
daviddelikati say supposedly because I have not been able to confirm for myself01:54
+perlDreamerLast time I checked, they had implementations of ruby, python, perl, perl1, tcl, lolcat and a whole hoard of others01:54
SDuensinJust having one VM will be so nice.01:54
daviddelikatterribly egocentric that way01:54
SDuensinperlDreamer - a LOT more:  http://www.parrot.org/languages01:54
+perlDreamerLast time I checked was October 2k701:54
+perlDreamerright after I quit trying to write an app that would do parallel language testing for them01:54
+perlDreamerI think I still have commit access to their svn repo01:55
SquOnkAll right, I'm off.01:55
SquOnkSee you guys tomorrow01:55
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SDuensinSo do you guys think being able to easily build apps that ran on top of WebGUI would be nice?  Even if it's not using Perl?01:57
daviddelikatwhat kind of apps? what is 'on top of WebGUI'?01:58
SDuensinWell, for example, I tried to use Thingy to build a management tool for my web hosting.  Wasn't able to do what I wanted...01:59
daviddelikatso you want applets to plug-in to WG01:59
@preactioni'd prefer it if it were easier to build applications for WebGUI using Perl01:59
SDuensinSo what if I could build it and then place it in my WebGUI page?  That way, I'd get all the APIs from WebGUI, the security, authentication, etc.01:59
SDuensinpreaction - Yea, but I can build it faster in Java.  :-P02:00
SDuensindaviddelikat - Yea, kinda applet like.02:00
@preactionotherwise, if you want a language to target, i'd do Javascript02:00
SDuensinI'd love to use Perl/YUI, but I've never found a YUI layout tool that actually worked.02:00
@preactionit has everything you need, and there are a lot of APIs already using JavaScript02:00
daviddelikatthere are lots of ways to integrate perl with java02:01
SDuensindaviddelikat - I saw.  Perl::Inline is some wild stuff.02:01
@preactionmaking an asset that exposes a bunch of JS APIs that you can utilize might be interesting02:01
daviddelikatthere are also ways to integrate java with JS02:01
@preactionexactly, JS is a wonderful glue language02:02
@preactionthe alternative is Lua really02:02
SDuensinLua is cool.02:02
@preactionand that's also got nice bindings to everything02:02
daviddelikatyes, JS is definately sticky and messy02:02
@preactionpfft, JS is awesome02:03
daviddelikatwhy not just write an asset that talked to your java applet02:03
@preactionor a URL or Content handler02:03
daviddelikatusing simple urls and JSON02:03
+perlDreamerJS is like raspberry jelly02:03
+perlDreamerit's great on bread02:03
+perlDreamerit's lousy elsewhere02:04
@preactionraspberry jelly + brownies == mmmmmmm02:04
daviddelikatBlack raspberry jam02:04
+perlDreamerbrownies are bread02:04
SDuensinNot a real Java applet.  I've been coding using GWT lately.  Very nice.02:04
@preactionGWT exports to JS doesn't it?02:04
daviddelikatlots of little seeds to anoy you02:04
@preactionperlDreamer: maybe in public schools, but not according to my mom :(02:05
daviddelikatmy kids would love that brownie == bread02:05
+perlDreamerpreaction: you should live at my house :)02:05
SDuensinpreaction - Yea, it compiles down to JS on the client.  The server is a Java Servlet, but I can replace that with a WObject.02:05
@preactionSDuensin: sounds like a good solution to me02:05
+perlDreamerSDuensin, why not use HTTP Proxy to bring your Java app "inside" webgui02:06
+perlDreamerthen you can utilize your java expertise now until you learn a real language (perl)02:06
daviddelikatI'm looking forward to the api for runningn bits of WG on outside web sites02:06
@preactioncan you make GWT target different things by plugins?02:06
SDuensinNo need.  Ideally, what I'd like is a single WObject/Asset that is a "Visual App" or something.  Then inside that you can configure it to run whatever apps are installed on the server.02:06
@preactiondaviddelikat: we're starting work on it already. you can create update and delete users from external APIs02:06
daviddelikatimagine this:  you are browsing the web and there is a little JS window on your browser ( never goes away, just sits there )02:07
@preactioni want a single unified API for CRUD actions on assets using AJAX02:07
@preactionwe've got Widgets already02:07
daviddelikatthen you want to take a note so you press a button and get a text bo02:07
+perlDreamerpreaction: are those APIs guarded by HTTP Auth02:07
@preactionyes02:07
daviddelikatenter your note, and click send.,..02:07
@preactioni'm not completely wetodded :p02:07
daviddelikatit shows up in your webgui site next time you visit...02:08
SDuensinDang it, daviddelikat.  That reminds me of another app I want to write.02:08
SDuensindaviddelikat - You'd be able to write things like that with what I want to do.02:08
daviddelikati know...02:08
daviddelikatI've been dying to take the time, but theres   bill$ to pay...02:09
SDuensinWhat I'd *REALLY* like to do is make it so admins can build apps right inside WebGUI.  Nothing but a browser needed.  I can't afford to write that though.  Like you say, bill$.02:09
@preactionwhat language?02:10
daviddelikatany language02:10
@preactionor wait, wasn't there an AJAX builder GUI thing?02:10
@preactionnot possible. there has to be an API02:10
SDuensinIf I could find a YUI AJAX GUI builder thing, I'd consider it.02:10
@preactionwe could eventually target any language, but we'd need to do them individually02:10
daviddelikati want integration with a more development quality revision control02:11
daviddelikatand a set of triggers to build and test items02:11
SDuensinWell, what I have in mind right now would use GWT/Eclipse to build the app and then it'd run on WebGUI when finished.02:11
daviddelikatas well as an environment control to allow testing multiple versions at a time.02:11
@preactionyou mean continual integration daviddelikat?02:11
@preactionlike buildbot?02:12
daviddelikatpreaction: what do you mean by continual integration?02:12
+perlDreamerit tests every commit02:12
+perlDreamerand reports what it found02:12
@preactionfor every commit to a source control, it builds and tests and reports02:12
+perlDreamerso that we can find people who break the project02:12
+perlDreamerand do something violent or humiliating to them02:12
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@preactionbecause if i get my way, i want to take PB time/money to build a system to do it02:13
daviddelikatby integration I just meant that it had smooth/invisible connections02:13
@preactionif i don't get my way, i'll do it anyway (just with no PB time/money)02:13
@preactionso you want Trac in WebGUI so-to-speak?02:13
daviddelikatpretty much... but it doesn't HAVE to be WG based...02:14
+perlDreameroh, now he's teasing us02:14
daviddelikatI just want a tool thata fits my dev-style02:14
SDuensinAh crap.  The GUI layout tool I was thinking of isn't for YUI.  It was for Ext.02:15
daviddelikatI gotta bug off, and do some work...02:15
+perlDreamerI need to talk this bug out loud for a bit.02:15
+perlDreamerThe Story Manager puts Stories in Folders beneath the Archive.02:16
daviddelikatis it OK if I ignore you?02:16
+perlDreamersure ;)02:16
daviddelikatI like being ignorant :P02:16
SDuensinSure, ignore us.  See if we care.  :-P02:16
+perlDreamerwhenever certain operations are done (cut, copy, paste, delete), it returns you to the story's parent, which is NOT the story archive.  It's the sub-Folder.02:16
+perlDreamerThere's a bug filed about this, since the user expected to be sent back to the Archive02:17
+perlDreamerwhich is consisten with wG behavior in other assets02:17
SDuensinI'm going to follow daviddelikat.  I hope to be back on later tonight.  Maybe write some of this crazy code to make an app builder.  I hate needing other non-WebGUI web things to get work done!02:18
+perlDreamerthe parent lookup is done via getParent, and getParent is used all through the codebase02:18
+perlDreamermy first thought was to make getParent "lie" and say it's parent was the Archive.  That was deemed unwise.02:19
@preactionperhaps it should be done by getContainer instead?02:19
@preactionthat's not possible. getParent must be correct02:19
+perlDreamergetContainer isn't a good general purpose solution, since if you delete a page you don't want it to go back to itself02:20
+perlDreamersince any container is its own container for the purpose of getContainer02:20
+perlDreamerthe next best thing I can think of is adding a query param to tell the operations where to go02:21
+perlDreamer?proceed=grandparent02:21
@preactionperhaps check getContainer, and if it's the same asset, use getParent02:21
+perlDreamerthat's not ba02:22
+perlDreamerd02:22
+perlDreamerpreaction: you're invited to dinner for that one.02:24
@preactioner.... que?02:25
+perlDreamerDo you like lasagna, caesar salad and bread?02:25
@preactionand how!02:25
+perlDreamernote, this is dinner bread, not dessert bread02:25
+perlDreamerwe'll be eating at 6:00pm.  Don't be late, it makes the kids grumpy02:25
daviddelikatyour already late its 6:3002:26
@preactionoh, crap, it's 6:30p already. i'll have to pass02:26
+perlDreamerits only 4:30 here, you've got time02:26
@preactioni have beef stroganoff here anyway, so :p02:26
+perlDreamerwell, as you will02:26
+perlDreamerneed to start the release02:26
@preactionk, got my bugfix in, with tests ;)02:27
+perlDreamerpreaction: do you know about the new WebGUI::Test->tagsToRollback?02:29
@preactionyeah, forgot to use it though02:30
+perlDreamerif we can remove all the END blocks, we can use 1 interpreter to run all the tests, with associated speed-up02:30
@preactionah, nice02:30
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@preactioni'll fix it02:33
* preaction gone exercising02:34
CIA-53WebGUI: doug * r12118 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Search/Index.pm t/Search/Index.t t/Search): fixed #10771: setIsPublic uses string as arrayref02:38
CIA-53WebGUI: doug * r12119 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: added changelog for 1077102:38
CIA-53WebGUI: doug * r12120 /WebGUI/t/Search/Index.t: removed END block02:38
+perlDreamerHaarg: should it be legal to create a session with no Apache request object?02:43
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+perlDreamerpatspam, this is really new03:16
+perlDreamerbut it you add new workflows, you should add them to the list of excluded workflows in t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm03:16
+perlDreamerthat way they won't be cleaned up accidently03:16
+patspamlooking looking03:17
+perlDreamerdid you add a new workflow, or just an activity?03:17
+patspamactivity03:18
+perlDreameryou're fine then03:18
+patspamactually03:18
+patspamheh let me check03:18
+patspamyeah I enabled the ExpireIncompleteSurveyResponses activity, added it to existing daily maintenance workflow03:19
+patspambut good to know about the wf list03:19
+patspambtw WebGUI::Test::originalConfig isn't guarateed to work properly under prove -j yeah?03:21
+patspambecause the order that tests start and finish is non-deterministic03:21
+perlDreamerright03:22
+patspamI do love -j though, makes testing so much faster03:22
+perlDreamerI know03:22
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+perlDreamerright now we think our best hope is to use something with a persistent interpreter03:22
+patspamdoes such a thing exist?03:23
+perlDreamerI think Test::Aggregate works that way03:23
+patspamcool03:24
+patspam--state=slow,save is kinda handy too, but for some reason --sate=failed,save doesn't work for me03:25
+perlDreamerdidn't work for me either03:25
+patspamI'm in good company then ;)03:25
daviddelikatso I fixed the helpdesk meta data in two out of three cases...03:26
daviddelikatI love duplicate code03:26
daviddelikator maybe it loves me03:26
daviddelikatfollows me wherever i go...03:26
+perlDreamerdaviddelikat, pursue and terminate at all costs03:27
daviddelikatlike a giant mosquito03:27
daviddelikatim there03:27
daviddelikatjust gotta talk to JT03:27
daviddelikatsee if hes down with it now or later03:27
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+patspamtavisto: you never told me what interweb provider you use at home03:39
@tavistoverizon03:39
+patspamah, they any good?03:39
@tavistoi dont think I saw the question03:39
+perlDreamerit was from last night03:39
+perlDreamerthey're quite good, and fast, if they are in your area with FIOS03:39
@tavistowell they are my only option. Which is ridiculous... since I live like 5 minutes out of a town that has 300k people in it03:39
+perlDreamerI had 1.2 Mb download speeds last week03:39
@tavistoit happens that I'm right on the cusp of getting better service options.03:40
@tavistothat's amazing. living in NYC you'll get fios and love it03:40
+perlDreamertotally03:40
@tavistoI have 1.7Mb/450k service 03:40
+patspamooh fibre optic, sounds tasty!03:40
@tavistoand I'm thankful it's available.. but at the same time... I'm sad I cant get a 5 or 10Mb connection since it's the most important part of how I work03:40
+patspamfor the webcasts?03:41
@tavistoyeah that and for other stuff as well03:42
@tavistothe webinars are low bandwidth for the most part03:42
daviddelikatthere is something very WRONG with helpdesk meta data...03:43
+perlDreamersemanitcally, programatically, or conceptually?03:43
daviddelikatprogramatically03:43
daviddelikatit does not behave03:43
+perlDreamerwant some help?03:44
@tavistovoice is done over the phone and not VOIP03:44
@tavistoskype is very unreliable for me thoug03:44
@tavistoh03:44
daviddelikatspec if you chenge a meta value is remembers the olde value03:44
daviddelikatand uses it for searches03:44
+perlDreamerI can help look at it during the upgrades if you wish03:44
+perlDreamerwhich will be in an hour or so03:44
+perlDreamerHaarg, preaction: I have fixed the cookie problem with tests03:45
daviddelikatI'm not sure what to look at.03:45
+perlDreamerit is a horrible, awful hack, but it works!03:45
+patspamdang, Verizon FIOS isn't available in Selden (long island)03:48
+patspamneither is their "high speed interwebs"03:49
+patspamany other providers worth checking out?03:50
+perlDreamerThere's Comcast, but that's shared networking.03:50
+patspamOptimum Online seems to be the big player on LI03:53
+patspamthey're part of CableVision apparently03:54
daviddelikatperlDreamer: do you have a WG instance with helpdesk installed?03:59
+perlDreamerno04:00
daviddelikatbummer04:00
* perlDreamer will pull down the source code and read it after dinner though04:00
+perlDreamerbe back in 6004:00
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+perlDreamerit was a short 60, daviddelikat04:27
daviddelikatwatch out for indegestion04:27
daviddelikatI found the problem04:27
+perlDreamercool!04:27
daviddelikatwell helpdesk uses an index table for searches04:27
daviddelikatand editting meta fields doesn't update it...04:28
+perlDreamerI wonder why they didn't use the asset fulltext search?04:28
daviddelikatmeta fields are stored in a seperate table04:28
+perlDreamerbut they should be searchable04:29
daviddelikatkinda curious why since the index table gets fields added for meta data04:29
daviddelikatanother wierd part:  Ticket::update does not update the meta data field04:31
+patspamman you guys are so lucky with your broadband coverage04:32
+patspamI'm paying $90/month for 1.5Mb interwebs on its own04:32
+perlDreamerwow.  That's expensive04:32
+patspamthat's australia for you04:33
+perlDreamerIt's the real reason you're leaving, isn't it?04:33
+patspamheheh totally04:33
+patspamfor $30/month on OptimumOnline I can get 10 times the speed04:33
@preactionplus don't you guys still have that filter?04:34
+patspamnot yet!04:34
@preactionnot yet does not inspire me with confidence04:34
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+perlDreamernext thing you know, Radix_ will be moving to California04:34
+patspamheh, I don't think they're competent enough to build a filter that works, so I'm not worried about it ;)04:34
+Radix_sif04:34
+patspamheh Radix_, I was just comparing my Internode plan to american broadband pricing04:35
+patspam3 times the cost for one tenth of the speed, oh yeah!04:35
+Radix_heh.. and how'd it fare?04:35
+Radix_which one is three times the cost?04:35
+patspamI'll let you guess04:35
+Radix_American?04:36
+patspamheh no way!04:36
+Radix_heh04:36
+Radix_they have quotas in the US now don't they?04:36
@preactionnot many places do04:37
+perlDreamerdaviddelikat: metadata update is already handled by Asset->processPropertiesFromFormPost04:37
+perlDreamerit it's the same kind of metadata04:37
@preactioni've got unmetered, unfiltered 3MB for like $60 a month04:37
+Radix_nice - doesn't compare to Japan tho ;)04:37
+Radix_get fibre for that in Japan ;)04:38
@preactiongetting unfiltered internet is rare here, they block ports every which way to make you buy more04:38
+Radix_100mbit unshared04:38
@preactionyeah, and some places in Europe are off-the-wall too04:38
@preactionreally? last i heard Japan was still on ISDN because the monopoly on telecom didn't want to do more04:38
+Radix_nah..04:39
+Radix_mate said he installed fibre.. and actually saw them running it down his street to his house04:39
@preactioni suppose that article was probably a few years old04:39
+perlDreamerAsian internet installs are supposed to be incredible, state of the art for speed and availability.04:40
+Radix_depends where in asia, but yeah, japan and south korea certainly have excellent internet04:41
@preactionchina's working on it at least04:41
+Radix_my friend isn't even in a big city in japan.   less than a million people where he is04:41
+perlDreamerthey have good trains, too04:41
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+perlDreamerWhy aren't more people entering the style contest?04:51
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12121 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm: 04:52
CIA-53WebGUI: Request objects are optional, so check for one before trying to pull04:52
CIA-53WebGUI: the HTTP headers for it.04:52
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12122 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 04:52
CIA-53WebGUI: When opening or duplicating Session objects, pass on any Apache2::Request object04:52
CIA-53WebGUI: stored in the current session.04:52
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12123 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: Enable tests to work around HTTP cookie fetching. Finally!04:52
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daviddelikatperlDreamer: should Asset::update handle metadata?05:13
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+perlDreamerno05:13
+perlDreamerit sounds like it was designed to only work well through the UI05:13
daviddelikatwhy not?05:13
+perlDreamerbecause it was put into processPropertiesFromFormPost05:13
+perlDreamerwhich is only called by the UI05:14
daviddelikatbut that is only used from a form05:14
+perlDreamerright05:14
+perlDreamerdoesn't the Ticket have a form?05:14
daviddelikatyes, but the metafields use ajax for updates05:14
+perlDreamerthen they should call updateMetaData by themselves05:15
daviddelikatthey currently do a sql update05:15
+perlDreamerare we talking about the same kind of metadata?05:15
daviddelikathard to tell05:15
+perlDreamerfilenames and linenumber? :)05:16
daviddelikatI think we are on two diff trracks05:16
daviddelikatHelpDeskMetaData is the custom fields that you can add to tickets05:16
daviddelikatlike the 'whats the buig in' field in webgui bug tracker05:17
daviddelikatprobably doesn't belong in Asset...05:17
daviddelikatbut I think that ticket::update should handle it.05:17
+perlDreamerif it's more like asset collateral, then probably not05:18
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@preactioni'm going to debug this Test::Class thing if it kills me05:36
+perlDreameryou go, guy05:37
@preactionnever used gdb, never hacked perl internals05:37
+perlDreamerI can help a little with the internals05:37
+perlDreamerI worked on them back in '9805:37
@preactionbut so far i've got a gdb instance stepping through perl itself that has loaded the program that shows "Unknown error"05:37
@preactionPerl_yyparse is slow under gdb :p05:37
+perlDreamerman, between the UTF8 upgrade, and the number of packages to be updated, this is going to take a while05:38
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@preactioni think my mind is trying to escape out my eyeballs05:41
@preactiondo "ck_" and pp_ have any meaning?05:42
+perlDreamerthose are operations05:43
+perlDreamerpp_ is "push/pop", I believe05:43
+perlDreamerperldoc perlguts05:43
+perlDreamerI'm not familiar with ck05:44
+perlDreamerit might be short for check05:45
@preactionit's in the context of OP * Perl_ck_require and Perl_pp_require05:45
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@preactionperlDreamer: do you have the Test::Class stuff that was giving you problems?06:56
+perlDreameryes06:56
+perlDreamerI'll email you a tarball06:56
@preactioni found my problem: if there's a syntax error in a Test sub, you get "Unknown Error"06:56
@preactionperl -c doesn't reveal the syntax error06:56
@preactionit's like different parsing rules apply because of the : Test attribute06:57
+perlDreameremail on its way06:58
+perlDreamerthat would be a consequence of the subroutine attributes06:58
@preactionnow to find the code that does those so I can narrow this down a bit more06:58
+perlDreamerpreaction: did you get the email?07:14
+perlDreamerwouldn't it be cool if you could specify a URL for loading a new package?07:16
@preactionyeah07:27
@preactionand it'd be cool if packages did a lot of thing07:27
@preactionperlDreamer: what is the error you get when you try to run this?07:28
+perlDreamerpreaction, it worked fine for me07:28
+perlDreamerit was on MacOS that the problem occurred07:28
@preactionsunnuvabitch07:29
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+perlDreamersorry, man07:29
@preactionit's trying to cast a scalar into a glob, but it can't07:29
@preactionwhich is weird because everything is a glob07:29
+perlDreamernot everything is a glob07:30
+perlDreameror are you being context specific?07:30
@preactioni don't know what you mean by that07:30
@preactionit's trying to cast the SV *sstr into (GV*)sstr07:31
@preactionbut an assertion is failing07:31
@preactionand this function is called like a billion times, so it's gonna take a while to find out what sstr is when it fails :(07:32
+perlDreamerI HATE SOURCEFORGE07:34
@preactionme too, but why?07:34
+perlDreamerevery 6 weeks they change the file manager07:37
+perlDreamerand there's no on-page help about how to do stuff07:37
+perlDreamerthe file manager used to work and look like a file manager07:37
+perlDreamernow its modal07:37
+perlDreamerif you want to upload into a subdirectory, you right click and say "Upload here"07:37
+patspamperlDreamer++ # release on, brother c07:38
+perlDreamerit's been almost 6 hours for this one07:48
* perlDreamer is tired07:49
* perlDreamer is going to call it a day.07:53
+perlDreamerany last second questions?07:53
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+perlDreamernice work, preaction!18:18
+perlDreamerI'll see if I can't build and test the WRE on 5.10.1-RC118:18
+perlDreamerafter I fix bartjol's latest group of i18n bugs18:19
@Haargugh.  no matter what i end up doing to solve the bug i'm working on, it's going to be pretty ugly.18:22
+perlDreamerwhich bug is that?18:22
+perlDreamernew router?18:22
+perlDreameror the resize?18:22
@Haargneither18:22
@Haargresize will be pretty simple once i start working on it, although i hate that solution too.18:22
@Haargi'm just going to go back to use the javascript hooks like it was doing previously.18:23
@Haargwell, i'll probably just have that in addition to the css stuff.18:23
@Haargand the router should be fine once i get the rest of the stuff i need for it.18:23
@Haargthe bug is that if you copy an asset that doesn't have url extension while forced url extensions are enabled, it doesn't add the extension.18:24
@HaargfixUrl relies on the internal implementation of other functions in non-obvious ways18:25
mducharme-workhrm18:30
mducharme-workis it possible to upgrade from the latest stable to 7.7.17 beta?18:31
+perlDreamernot yet, mducharme18:31
mducharme-workok18:31
+bartjolwhat what, what did I do18:31
+perlDreamerYou're fixing my horrible i18n18:31
+bartjolaaah18:31
+bartjolI thought you did it on purpose to get me karma, so I would not hit you with sledgehammers18:32
+bartjolbut I have some time left to look at that bug I tried to solve18:33
+bartjolI'd like a preferred solution, so by patch doesn't suck18:33
+bartjols/by/my/18:33
+perlDreamerI actually think your idea is best18:35
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+perlDreamerit is possible to subclass other actions like cut, copy, paste and delete18:36
+perlDreamerbut we don't have a restore method18:36
+perlDreameryet :)18:36
+bartjolthe first with a doOnRecovery one18:36
+bartjolok18:36
+bartjolor restore18:36
+perlDreamerI can build a blank one in AssetTrash18:36
+perlDreamerand then it can be overridden in Post18:36
+bartjolshould that be an extra sub?18:36
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+perlDreameryes18:38
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+perlDreamerif you're going to work on that, I'm going to take a look at rogier's SQLReport pagination bug18:42
+bartjolok18:42
+perlDreamerrbuels: you've been in here a while, but I've never seen you say anything.  Do you have any questions?18:42
rbuelsperlDreamer: no questions, i'm just lurking.18:44
+perlDreamerokey-doke18:44
rbuelsperlDreamer: getting a sense of what the devel community is like, etc.18:44
+bartjolwe are horrible of course18:45
rbuelslol18:45
rbuelsi'm a bioinformatics guy18:46
rbuelsi work at sgn.cornell.edu18:46
+perlDreamercool.  Working in perl?18:46
rbuelsyes18:46
rbuelswe're interested in finding better ways to integrate all the open-source bioinformatics tools that are out there18:47
rbuelslike all these things: http://gmod.org/wiki/GMOD_Components18:47
+perlDreamerand you're thinking of using WebGUI for doing that?18:47
rbuelsit's one thing we're evaluating, yes18:48
rbuelsan example thing that we want to do:  GBrowse is a genome browser, packaged as a perl cgi app18:48
rbuelsnaturally, since it's written by lincoln, who wrote CGI.pm18:48
rbuelslol18:49
+perlDreamerha18:49
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rbuelsproblem is, if you want to integrate gbrowse into your site18:49
rbuelsit's a pain18:49
rbuelsit doesn't use the same headers18:49
rbuelsor same session management18:49
rbuelsor anything18:49
+perlDreamerPeople use the HTTP Proxy asset to do things like that in WebGUI18:50
+bartjoleeeh perlDreamer when I asked after the new sub, I meant a new sub in AssetTrash, while in my post I meant in the asset code18:50
+perlDreamerbartjol, it's just a refactor18:50
+perlDreamerjust move it from one to the other18:51
rbuelsgot a pointer to the HTTP Proxy asset docs?18:51
+perlDreamerlet me check a sec18:51
+bartjolwell, but in which one should it be?, persoally I would put it in (eg ) Post18:51
+perlDreamerrbuels: you can check the Primer for free: https://www.plainblack.com/services/training/webgui-primer18:52
+perlDreameror, there are some books here: https://www.plainblack.com/store/services/books218:52
+perlDreameryour next best bet is the wiki on webgui.org18:52
+perlDreamerI should say, wikis on webgui.org18:53
+perlDreamerand the forums18:54
+perlDreamerthe wiki page is sparse: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/http-proxy18:54
+perlDreamerbartjol, it actually needs to be in both places18:55
+bartjolah18:55
+perlDreamerAssetTrash as a placeholder for all Assets18:55
+bartjolyes18:55
+perlDreamerand then in Post so that it will recount the posts18:55
+bartjolok, I'm doing the latter now18:55
+bartjolhave to read the code some more for the AssetTrash bit18:55
+perlDreamerI'll do the AssetTrash one :)18:56
+bartjolwell, ok, don't you trust me ;)18:56
+perlDreamerno ;)18:56
+perlDreamerYou sounded nervous18:56
+bartjolwell, Koen is behind me with a hatchet18:56
+perlDreamerodd18:56
+perlDreamerNormally at this time of day he's holding a small girl18:56
+perlDreameryou do the hacking, I'll review the patch18:57
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+bartjolyeah, but I find babies more scary than hatchets, so that's imaginatoin18:57
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+bartjolwell, I scared josh away18:57
+perlDreamerrbuels, another way is just to get your hands dirty.  Head on over to demo.plainblack.com and you can make a 24-hour long play site.18:58
* mducharme-work kicks his terminal server19:00
mducharme-workI hate microsoft...19:00
rbuelsperlDreamer: yeah, i did poke at that a bit a few days ago19:03
rbuelsperlDreamer: your ip looks like you're in portland19:03
rbuelsever head down to the pdx.pm meetings?19:03
+perlDreamerNo.  They're on Wednesday nights, which is the same night as orchestra practice.19:03
+perlDreamerI am in Portland (Hillsboro, actually)19:03
rbuelsah.19:04
mducharme-workorchestra practice?19:04
rbuelspity.  really fun  :-)19:04
* perlDreamer plays the tuba19:04
mducharme-workahh19:04
rbuelsawesome19:04
mducharme-workcool19:04
mducharme-workI compose19:04
rbuelstuba rocks19:04
rbuelsperlDreamer which outfit you play with?19:05
+perlDreamerI play in a small orchestra for my church.19:05
+perlDreamersunsetpres.org19:05
mducharme-workI love the tuba in it's upper range, it sounds very horn like19:05
mducharme-workhow come your church isn't using webgui :P19:06
+perlDreamerwhen I was the webmaster, they did ;)19:07
mducharme-workahh19:07
+perlDreamerwhen I retired, they hired someone else, and they needed integration with their new management software, which is all Microsoft based.19:07
* rbuels barfs19:07
mducharme-workmanagement software for what?19:07
+perlDreamerI have heard that they wish that they could have gone the other way, and integrated with WebGUI19:07
rbuelsyeah what do they run now?19:07
* rbuels would like to know what happens in microsoft land19:08
+perlDreamerthere are integrated packages that keep track of children's attendance, check-ins, room reservations, finances and stuff like that19:08
+perlDreamerit's called FellowshipOne19:08
+perlDreamerI don't know how they're managing the website.19:09
+bartjoleeh, perlDreamerI'm afraid I have to leave shortly19:09
+bartjolbut I did wreck my webgui :)19:09
+perlDreameryou want a crack at it later?19:10
+bartjolI do19:10
+bartjolit's not a real significant bug19:10
+bartjolIf I have not fixed it by somewhere next week, you can kick my butt and take it from me19:10
+bartjoldeal?19:11
+bartjolall bugs are significant off course19:11
+perlDreamerbartjol, deal.  Although I have every confidence in you19:13
+perlDreamerand your sledgehammer19:13
+bartjolI do not program with my sledgehammer19:14
+bartjolsomehow, that did not fix the bugs last 3 times I tried19:15
+perlDreamermaybe it's the wrong setting19:15
+perlDreamersledgehammers for programmers, and houses19:15
+bartjolwell, it did fix my "windows boots on this machine" bug19:15
+bartjoland tomorrow I'm gonna get a extra heigh toilet bowl19:18
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+perlDreamerbartjol: that was too much information19:18
+bartjolwell, I also will be a sound engineer tomorrow at a band performance19:19
+bartjolbetter?19:19
+perlDreamermuch better19:20
+bartjolok19:20
* perlDreamer has always suspected that you're full of it19:20
+perlDreamernow we have the porcelain to prove it19:20
+bartjol:)19:20
+bartjolwell, I have to go, cheers19:21
+perlDreamerlater, dude19:21
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* rbuels pokes through the 7.6.35-stable source19:30
rbuelsis it still mod_perl only?19:30
+perlDreameryes19:30
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+perlDreamerhm19:36
+perlDreamermaybe we need an eBook format of the Primer19:36
rbuelseven better would be html or something19:37
rbuelscause browsing pdfs is.....19:37
rbuelsblech.19:37
+perlDreamerAll of PB's books used to be available in electronic formats19:38
+perlDreamerand then they found out that people were not respecting the licensing and copying them19:38
+perlDreamerlike buying 1 copy for a team of 50 people19:38
+perlDreamerso they dropped all eformats19:38
+perlDreamerbreakfast time for me, bbiaw19:39
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+perlDreamerback20:16
+perlDreamerIs it a bug if a default template does not use every possible template variable?20:28
@preactionno20:36
mducharme-workif it was, there would be lots of navigation templates with that issue20:37
@preactionall of them, it's impossible to use all the vars, they have opposite/conflicting uses20:37
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+perlDreamerokay, next question.  In an SQL Report, are subqueries supposed to be paginated?20:39
@preactionno20:39
@preactionevery row in the first query runs the second query. every row in the second query runs the third query. it's impossible to paginate all that20:40
@preactionwell, not impossible. but we don't do it right now20:40
+perlDreamer:)20:40
+perlDreamerbug--20:42
+perlDreamerActually, I think it is impossible20:42
+perlDreamermultiple, concurrent pagination isn't possible right now20:43
@preactionperlDreamer: once your Package via URL feature gets added, it's a small step to add "subscribe to packages" ;)21:24
@preactionthen, we can add "push and pull packages" and they'll be everything i want them to be21:24
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+perlDreamersubscribe to packages?21:40
+perlDreamerthis is for consumption, not production21:40
+perlDreameror am I missing your point?21:40
@preactionthe idea being that many times information is shared between two sites on a regular basis21:42
@preactionlike a bazaar theme being updated with bugfixes21:42
* perlDreamer is paranoid enough that I'd never automatically pull from the Bazaar21:42
+perlDreamerbut between sites, sure!21:43
@preactionnot automatically, you'd trigger it yourself and could rollback of course21:43
@preactionboth options would be available21:43
+perlDreameryeah21:43
+perlDreamerhas the RFE been approved?21:43
@preactionno, not sure if i even put one out there for it21:43
+perlDreamerI have to admit, I thought of it for pulling packages from the buglist21:44
+perlDreamerbut it could be quite handy21:44
+perlDreamerhm22:13
+perlDreamera method called getMyDaddy would be frowned on...22:13
@preactionwhosMyDaddy would be much better22:17
+perlDreamergetParent and getContainer are already taken22:17
+perlDreameryour container/parent idea works well22:19
+perlDreamerand since I'll be porting it all over, I want to encapsulate it in  a method22:19
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CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12129 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 22:53
CIA-53WebGUI: Change www_delete and www_cut to use either the container, or the parent22:53
CIA-53WebGUI: as the asset to return the user to after their actions.22:53
CIA-53WebGUI: Subclass getContainer in the Story, and alias it to getArchive.22:53
CIA-53WebGUI: Fixes bug 10657.22:53
+perlDreamerpreaction: that was the last Story bug on the board23:04
@preactionmy turn, eh?23:05
+perlDreamerif you can talk me through them, I'll help23:05
+perlDreameralthough I'm knee deep in a matrix bug right now23:05
@preactionnp, take your time23:05
+perlmonkey2preaction: if I can ever get my git reconfigured on my server I'm going to see what I can do to help out on the webgui-modern repo.  Anything you want special attention given to?23:10
@preactionright now, tests and filling in methods23:11
@preactioni want to get the base asset APIs done23:11
+perlmonkey2tests....was thinking about those this morning.  Some of them might have to be radically changed.23:13
+perlDreamerhm, how about a wgd CLI for submitting bugs/rfes?23:14
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12130 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm): 23:23
CIA-53WebGUI: Make addListings in the Matrix use AdminConsole submenus for23:23
CIA-53WebGUI: actions, like all the other assets. Add a link back to the23:23
CIA-53WebGUI: Matrix.23:23
CIA-53WebGUI: Fixes bug #10778.23:23
+perlDreamerdaviddelikat: would it be hard to add statistics to the helpdesk?23:38
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@preactionoh, one more thing I want in WebGUIx::Asset (modern-webgui), we need to add MooseX::Declare23:53
SDuensinMy mother was bitten by a moose.23:54
@preactionN? really?23:57
--- Day changed Sat Aug 15 2009
@preactionperlDreamer: also, we need to actually figure out the API we want. i want this to be as close to perfect (i don't want to start over another time) as possible00:03
@preactionmuch of the API will be dictated by DBIx::Class00:03
@preactionand much by keeping things sanely transferred from the old API00:04
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+BartJolok, the recovery stuff in Post.pm seems to work00:18
+perlDreamerexcellent00:18
+BartJolnow the bit in AssetTrash00:18
+BartJolactually took only 5 minutes in another installto reprogram after this afternoon00:19
+perlDreamerthe method in AssetTrash should be very simple00:22
+perlDreamersome POD, and an empty subroutine00:22
+BartJolyes00:22
* perlDreamer smells some dead code00:22
+BartJoleeeh00:22
+perlDreameryeah00:22
+perlDreamerbit rot00:22
+BartJolempty subroutine btw?00:22
+BartJolstrange00:23
+BartJolwell00:23
+perlDreameryeah, because most assets don't need to do anything special for a restore00:23
+BartJolbit rotting, that does not sound good00:23
+BartJolah00:23
+perlDreamerI'm sorry, I'm talking about the bug that I'm working on now00:23
+perlDreamerwhere I find a new, unrelated sub bug every hour or so00:23
+perlDreamermissing i18n00:23
+perlDreamerbad asset navigation00:23
+BartJolyou said some other methods exist that are similar00:23
+BartJolaah00:23
+perlDreameroh, the other similar methods would be cut, copy, paste and delete00:24
+perlDreamerbut there is not restore method00:24
+BartJolthat is not good, and hey, it takes you more time, helping me solve that bug, than it would cost you doing it yourself00:24
+perlDreameryes, but now _you_ know how to fix bugs, too00:25
+BartJolyes, it is an investment00:25
+perlDreamerit makes you more valuable to the community, and besides, I like helping you00:25
+perlDreamerBart can translate WebGUI, write multilingual content features, destroy houses AND fix bugs00:25
+perlDreamerit'll look great on your resume00:25
+BartJolwell, I also prepared my drainage tubes00:26
+BartJoland I can drink and brew beer and sail, yee, is there anything I can't do...00:26
* BartJol is gonna read some code00:27
* perlDreamer is going to fix my wife's computer, again00:28
+BartJoldon't be too hard on dreamersGirl00:37
+cap10morgan_w/ 7.7.17, if you don't have a pidFile setting in spectre.conf, does it use a reasonable default or does it refuse to start?00:43
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@preactionit refuses to start00:44
@preactionand refuses to quit as well, you'll have to kill -900:44
+cap10morgan_yeah, saw that in the gotchas00:44
+cap10morgan_is there really not a reasonable default location it could test for and use?00:44
+cap10morgan_in the wre00:44
+cap10morgan_and then, if it's not there, give up00:44
@preactionthat would make it wre-specific00:46
@preactioni would say use /var/run/spectre.pid00:46
@preactionor /tmp/spectre.pid00:46
+cap10morgan_it wouldn't make it any more wre-specific than it is now00:46
+cap10morgan_it would have the same exact behavior w/o the wre00:46
+cap10morgan_it would give up if you didn't have pidFile defined00:47
+cap10morgan_but when the wre happened to be there, hey it works00:47
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+cap10morgan_or do you guys not like coding anything into webgui that looks for wre-ness anywhere?00:47
+cap10morgan_(which i could understand)00:48
@preactionwe don't like coding anything into webgui that even tries to rely on the WRE00:48
+cap10morgan_gotcha00:48
+cap10morgan_ok, i agree w/ that principle so i retract my earlier proddings :)00:48
+cap10morgan_i just have to migrate a ton of sites over so this is another thing i have to add to that script, but i should shut up and take my medicine00:49
+cap10morgan_earlier versions of spectre will dutifully ignore a pidFile setting in their confs, right?00:51
@preactionyes00:51
+cap10morgan_ok, cool, i'll just add it to all of them now then00:51
+perlDreamermake sure it has the right PID in it, cap10morgan, or it the file won't matter much :/00:52
+perlDreamerI'm a WRE newbie, but are the config files templated in the WRE?00:53
+BartJol24187 Ibelieve00:53
+perlDreamerso that on the next WRE release we could have it point to the right WRE location by default?00:53
+BartJolperlDreamer: yes00:53
+BartJolthey are in var/setupfiles00:53
+BartJolbut that does not contain webgui or spectre configs00:54
+perlDreamerreally?00:54
+perlDreamerhow does it build the site specific files then?00:54
@preactionthe webgui config file is templatable, yes00:54
@preactionbut not the spectre config file00:54
+BartJolno those are in WebGUI/etc00:54
+perlDreamerI'll file a bug and assign it to SynQ00:54
@preactionbut there are config file overrides in the WRE00:54
+BartJolspectre.conf.original00:55
@preactionwhich is a template00:55
@preactionwhich uses the variables you can set up when adding a site (var1 - var9)00:55
+perlDreamerdone00:57
+perlDreamerDon't hate me SynQ!00:57
+BartJolhe won't01:01
+BartJolwhat did you do?01:01
+perlDreamerI assigned a bug to him01:01
+BartJolahh01:01
+BartJolwell, he does that regularly to me01:03
+perlDreameryou guys have a bug tracker, too?01:03
+BartJolhe call it "my job"01:03
+BartJolyes, well we use a bug tracker for everything01:03
+BartJolwe call it issues01:03
+BartJolbut I notice my eyelids dropping01:04
+perlDreamerit's the bier01:04
+BartJoland I have to go shopping for building materials tomorrow01:04
+BartJolI drank401:04
+BartJolwhich is less than normal on friday (and the reason I don't do that much hacking on fridaynight)01:05
+BartJolwell, I did fix the first part01:06
+BartJolgoodnight01:07
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+perlDreamergoodnight01:07
+perlDreamerya know, for a second I thought he wrote01:11
+perlDreamerI frank401:11
+perlDreamerfrank is an obscure Dutch-ism for consuming bier01:12
@preactionso obscure even the dutch don't know about it!01:12
+perlDreamerhe really frank'ed that Bud.01:12
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SDuensin2It's new IRC client time!01:13
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+perlDreamerwhich one now, SDuensin2?01:13
SDuensin2Going from X-Chat Aqua to Colloquy since nobody bothers to update X-Chat anymore.01:14
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@preactionSDuensin: i want to update xchat aqua, but no time. and colloquy is still more suck01:15
SDuensinYea, but it's pretty suck.  :-P01:15
@preactionthere is that01:16
@preactionbut i don't want pretty, i want non-suck and non-annoying01:16
SDuensinWell, if it becomes annoying, I'll be back to X-Chat.01:16
@preactionplus i wrote a plugin for ircproxyd that reconnects me quickly01:16
SDuensinSo far, the only problem I have with Colloquy is that it logs in FRACKING XML!  Really?  WTF?01:16
@preactionmy problem is the way it handles /notice as PM instead of what it's supposed to be: a message that SHOULD NOT be responded to01:17
@preactionso /notice should go to my currently open channel window01:18
SDuensinCan't you set that?  There were rules in the prefs about opening new "panels".01:19
@preactionnot how i want it to. and i was told in no polite way that i was an idiot for wanting what i wanted01:20
@preactionsince colloquy is a chat client, not an IRC client01:20
SDuensinAh - I just saw what you mean.   My bot greeting ended up in a Growl window.01:20
@preactionit only got annoying when i was working with chanserv or any other bot that does /notice (which is what they're supposed to do, according to the IRC spec)01:21
SDuensinHmm.  I think my bot does /msg, but it's abusive anyway.  Screw the spec.  :-)01:22
SDuensinGot to learn how to re-scan my screen to read things.  That's the worst part.01:23
+perlDreamerHaarg, is there a bug tracker for wgd somewhere?01:23
@preactionthe github.com site has an issue tracker01:24
+perlDreamernm, it's a WebGUI bug01:24
* preaction is now HaargToo01:24
+perlDreamersomething about packaging a Matrix is bad01:24
+perlDreamereither in, or out01:25
+perlDreamerI really want to refactor the Matrix01:32
+perlDreamerbut without good tests, or test procedures, and the spec, it would be a disaster01:32
SDuensinI CAN DRAG TABS!  Ok, that overrides the annoying /notice "feature".01:33
@preactionpfft01:38
SDuensinHey, that's very helpful for how I work.01:38
* perlDreamer is going to take a break to avoid a pouty fit01:54
+perlDreamerpreaction: we may need to talk a little bit, later on01:54
@preactionperlDreamer: okay, i'll be back probably around 8-8:30 my time (going for exercise takes about 90 minutes + shower and whatever makes 2 hours)01:55
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@preaction(1) To bring the user in from a search, (2) to return the user after a delete, what other use has getContainer?04:23
+perlDreamercut04:32
+perlDreamerpromote, demote04:32
+perlDreamerTemplate->view04:32
+perlDreamerZipArchive->view04:33
+perlDreamerit's used all over the place04:33
@preactionthose last two are special cases, trying to nail down the docs and API for WebGUIx::Asset04:33
@preactionpromote and demote don't exist in the new API. those actions are handled by a DBIx::Class module (less code for us to write)04:35
@preactionthere are equivalents04:35
+perlDreamersounds vaguely Borg-esque04:35
+perlDreamerKlingon.  A primitive species.  You will serve well in the new API04:36
@preactionwe will add your Roles and Classes to our own04:36
@preactionjust not sure what i should default to :p. most cases for a search it should go right to the asset04:37
@preactionbut for the delete, cut, promote, demote it should go to the container04:37
+perlDreamerduplicate, too04:38
@preactionwww_copy is duplicate + cut04:38
@preactionthough really, shouldn't those things return us to where we were?04:38
@preactioncopy the original asset still exists, so i can return there04:39
@preactiondelete, cut it doesn't exist, so i can't go back04:39
@preactionpromote / demote are only useful in the context of the container (to see the change)04:39
@preactioni'm just gonna default to the parent, which is the most useful of the options, and it can be changed if necessary04:40
@preactionall those methods looking for get_container are going to check if get_container == self and do get_parent otherwise04:40
@preaction(iow, the exact problem you fixed today in the Story manager)04:41
+perlDreamerwow, you're even abandoning camel case04:41
@preactiongod yes04:41
+perlDreamerI not only fixed it in the story manager, I fixed it everywhere04:41
@preactionbut it helps with compatibility, we can tell if we're calling a new API method or an old API method04:42
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+perlDreamertime to go into daddy mode, and go <shudder>04:44
+perlDreamergrocery shopping04:44
@preactionaww, groc... ohhh, WITH the kids04:45
@preactionwas gonna say it was fun, but hmm...04:45
+perlDreamerput that down04:45
+perlDreamerdon't run there04:45
@preactionwatch out for that man04:45
+perlDreamerNo, we can't buy 10 lbs of chocolate chips04:45
+perlDreamerno, we can't buy 5 lbs either04:45
@preactionheh, good luck04:45
+perlDreamerthx ;)04:45
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carograyIf anyone is out there I need to ask a really basic "stupid" question13:18
daviddelikatcarogray: you still there?  I can try to answer your question.14:26
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mducharmeoh this is a weird feature17:40
mducharmemight be considered a glitch in firefox17:52
daviddelikatsup?17:53
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mducharmenothing to do with webgui.. went onto wikipedia page that had multiple ogg sound files, played three individually using the new built in player in 3.5.. then I went to another page, hit the back button, and the three files started playing again, all simultaneously mixed together18:02
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mducharmehad to scroll up and down the page to find all the stop buttons to stop the din18:02
mducharmeheh18:02
daviddelikatsounds like a bug to me18:02
mducharmethey were three very different pieces of music so it sounded pretty bad18:03
daviddelikator maby lots of nasty bugs depending on the sounds18:03
mducharmeI wonder if I should report it to wikipedia or to mozilla18:03
mducharmeheh18:03
daviddelikatid say mozilla18:04
daviddelikatit could be a situation they never though would happen... three mucis bits on the same page18:04
daviddelikatcarogray: what was your question early this morning?18:06
daviddelikatwhat is WG general policy for use of SQL extensions?18:09
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@preactionso 6 hours later i find out that Moose hates use base, you must use it's special "extends"22:36
@preaction6 hours of debugging completely weird behavior...22:37
daviddelikata day(and my sanity) was lost for want of a dereference...23:07
+cap10morganis it possible to import a whole other site into a subdirectory of another site?23:51
daviddelikatyou could try exporting the whole thing as a package23:51
daviddelikatwhy do you want to do this?23:51
+cap10morgani want to try switching to a one database n sites setup23:54
daviddelikatseems like you want to copy the database, not the site itself...23:58
daviddelikatyou will need to export your database from the one site, then import it to the other server23:59
daviddelikatand make sure the WG config works with the new server23:59
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daviddelikatyou can probably get more advice about this from someone who has more WG experience than I00:00
daviddelikatI expect PerlDreamer has done this very task...00:00
@preactioncombining sites is evil00:01
daviddelikatwhy?00:01
@preactionit can't be done just by combining databases00:01
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@preactionlineage is the main problem there00:01
@preactionin theory, rebuildLineage.pl after combining should work00:02
daviddelikatcant you just use 2 seperate databases on one server?00:02
@preactionbut that's not what he wants, he wants one database for two sites00:02
daviddelikatif each WG instance connects to the server as a diff db then lineage should not be an issue00:02
+cap10morgani work with a national non-profit with around 25 state affiliates00:04
+cap10morganthey share content across sites quite a bit00:04
+cap10morganso it would be very helpful if on the backend it was all the same site00:05
+cap10morganbut on the frontend they used separate domains00:05
daviddelikatsounds like an REF to me00:06
daviddelikatRFE00:06
@preactionit's already possible, with some fancy rewrite rules00:07
@preactionthe problem is combining the databases00:08
daviddelikatI can see where that woul dbe a serious issue.00:08
+cap10morganpreaction: if i add a new root dir to the url field of all the assets, then pull in all the records to the master db, then rebuildLineage, that might work right?00:08
daviddelikatthough I could imagine writing a wobject or something that would access a foreign database and import stuff00:09
@preactioncap10morgan: don't forget groups, users, and everything else00:10
@preactionand you're gonna have to trial and error this quite a bit really00:10
@preactionyour best bet would be to make one new site and combine everything into it00:10
+cap10morganok00:10
@preactioni've done this once before, 3+ years ago00:10
+cap10morgancan you make the subsites generate www.domain.org urls in the html they send back to the browser? instead of www.mastersite.org/subsite ?00:11
SDuensincap10morgan: if you figure that all out, please let me know.  I've got four sites that would play nicer as one.00:12
+cap10morganSDuensin: ok, will do00:13
@preactioncap10morgan: in the site settings, you have them use HTTP_HOST00:19
@preactioni forget what tab that's on00:19
+cap10morganhuh, ok00:19
+cap10morganthat makes sense00:19
+cap10morganso doing this twice w/ 2 sets of ~30 sites00:20
+cap10morganwould you tell a client "nope, that's not going to work"00:20
+cap10morgan?00:20
+cap10morgan:)00:20
@preactionprobably. and once they're together it's even more difficult to break them apart00:24
+cap10morgani'm working w/ non-production copies trying to see how feasible it is00:25
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+perlDreamerdaviddelikat: indeed I have, and there's a wiki article for it00:55
+perlDreamerpreaction: that's what you get for using Moose.00:55
+perlDreamercap10morgan: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/multiple-sites-/-different-webgui-versions-on-one-system00:59
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+patspamperlDreamer: you about?06:26
+perlDreamerlurking :)06:27
+perlDreamerwhat's up?06:27
+patspamheh06:27
+patspamtrying to track down how the Inbox account module displays the sub-tabs06:27
+patspamMessages and Invitations06:27
+perlDreamertry the layout template06:28
+perlDreamerI think that's where that is done06:28
+patspamgenius, thanks06:28
+patspamsomehow I didn't see it in there06:28
+patspamI knew you'd know :)06:28
* perlDreamer has done a bit of digging in there06:29
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+patspamdang, mini-blackout06:34
+perlDreamerthat's not good06:34
+patspamlights just dipped, and router dropped out06:34
+patspambtw, helen moved into our new place on long island today!06:34
+perlDreamerawesome!06:34
+perlDreamershe likes it?06:34
+patspamso far..06:34
+perlDreamerprobably missing one important component06:34
+patspamhehe06:34
+patspamthank god for skype06:35
+perlDreamerdo y'all have video, too?06:35
@preactionlong island? new york?06:35
+patspamnetworks speeds are too crappy here in aus, just doing audio06:35
+patspampreaction: yeah I'm a movin to long island06:36
@preactionwow, nice06:36
+patspamhelen is studying over there, so I'm tagging along for the ride06:36
@preactionyou make enough scratch to afford that?06:36
+patspamis LI expensive?06:36
+patspamwe're in a share house with a few other PhD students, so the rent is really good06:37
@preactionit's very near NYC, which is like the most expensive city to live in the entire world06:38
@preactionwell, maybe except New Delhi06:38
+patspamheh yeah I've heard that! rent there sounds insane06:38
+patspambut we're a good 1.5-2hrs out of nyc, so a bit more reasonable06:38
+patspamI'm moving in november06:39
@preactionwe'll all have to come crash your pad06:40
+patspamheh for sure! open invitation :)06:41
+perlDreamerso you're going to fly over in September, fly back, and then come back again in November?06:42
+perlDreamerRackin' up the frequent flyer miles for sure!06:43
+patspamyeah, it's crazy06:43
+patspamand fly back in jan for work stuff again!06:43
+patspamheh and fly back to melb in September for WUC 2010 =D06:45
@preactionreally? that's where we're having it?06:45
+patspamyeah didn't JT tell you?06:46
@preactionnope06:46
+patspamI made him sign it on paper after I got him drunk at the wuc last year06:47
@preactionyou must be joking, he doesn't drink06:47
+patspam=p06:47
@preactionhe'd never do anything cool like fly 5 of us to Australia :(06:48
+patspams/cool/insane/06:48
@preactionon different flights of course. can't have an accident06:48
+patspamhah good point, I should change Andy's flights too, currently we're on the same flight home together06:49
+perlDreamerpatspam, I think your profile "bug" is really a feature06:50
+perlDreamerto prevent users from mucking up their profiles06:50
+patspambut maybe a bug to allow the admin to set that combination?06:51
+perlDreamerprobably :)06:51
+patspamI mean, the combination doesn't make sense anyway, so it's the user's fault06:51
+perlDreamerit's one of those corner cases where WebGUI will let you shoot yourself in the foot06:51
+perlDreamerbut definitely, required should imply editable06:51
+perlDreamerthe same thing would happen at show at registration06:52
+perlDreamerhave y'all seen the 7.6.35.1 release?06:54
+patspam.1?06:55
+perlDreamerit fixes several embarrasing i18n mistakes I made in .3506:56
+perlDreamerand adds SquOnk's testCodebase fixes06:56
+perlDreamerhe said he wanted it to get into testing for "Sid", I think06:56
+perlDreamerapparently our weekly releases prevent us from getting into Debian testing06:56
+perlDreamersince any release has to be out for 10 days06:56
+perlDreameranyway, 7.6.35.1 is a code-only release06:57
+perlDreamerno packages, database changes, or upgrade script06:57
+perlDreamerso you can overlay over .3506:57
+perlDreamerand still upgrade to 7.7 later06:57
+patspaminteresting06:58
@preactionshould a library of constants be called WebGUI::Constant or WebGUI::Var?06:58
@preactionConstant i think06:59
+perlDreamerConstant07:00
+perlDreameralso, 7.6.35.1 is unofficial07:00
+perlDreamerit's from pDC, and not PB07:00
+patspampDC++07:14
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CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12131 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Account/Inbox.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Fix broken, inconsistent friend wholeName. Bug 10782.09:22
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+perlDreamerpatspam: I'd consider it a large favor if you submitted a bug about the missing Help in the Inbox as well.09:35
+patspamperlDreamer: I'm currently wading through SMS, it's pretty broken atm09:35
+patspamWebGUI::Inbox::Message::create does not pass isInbox flag to WebGUI::Mail::Send::create so sms preferences are never used09:36
+patspamunable to enter a valid SMS gateway setting because field type set to email address but sms gateway code assumes a domain only09:36
+patspamand..09:36
+patspamSMS notifications are currently sent with Inbox email notification template, which is html, and > 160 chars09:36
+patspamboth of which you don't want for sms09:37
+perlDreamerI'll look at those tomorrow.09:39
+patspamI'm working through them now, will push up a branch09:39
+patspamfor you to review09:39
+perlDreamermakes me wonder about the SMS tests09:40
+perlDreamerbut for now, sleep.09:40
+patspamyeah, I saw some that test User::getInboxAddresses, but that never gets called09:41
+patspamok, ttyl man09:41
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CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12132 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Account/Inbox.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): fix bug #10783 copy sender in the Inbox.09:45
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CIA-53WebGUI: patspam * r12133 /WebGUI/ (13 files in 11 dirs): (log message trimmed)12:47
CIA-53WebGUI: Fixed a whole lot of brokenness in Inbox SMS/Email notifications12:47
CIA-53WebGUI: WebGUI::Inbox::Message::create now passes isInbox flag to WebGUI::Mail::Send::create12:47
CIA-53WebGUI: so that per-user notification settings get used12:47
CIA-53WebGUI: SMS Gateway setting field is now 'text' instead of 'email' so that user can enter a12:47
CIA-53WebGUI: properly formed value (such as 'myemailgateway.com', which is not an email address).12:47
CIA-53WebGUI: Added SMS notification template as distinct from email notification template because12:47
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+perlDreamermorning, folks19:53
@Haargmorning19:54
+perlDreamerFor some odd reason, I feel like fixing bugs today19:54
@Haargi don't think anyone would have a problem with that19:55
+perlDreamerphew19:55
@preactionwait! no fixing bugs at all today! I want you slacking all day!19:56
@preactionthere are solar flares affecting our RAMdisks, we can't fix bugs today19:56
@Haargsince you asked at some point last week, for wgdev i'm using github's issue tracker: http://github.com/haarg/wgdev/issues19:56
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+perlDreamerHaarg, it turned out to be another Matrix issue19:57
@Haargyeah, i saw that19:58
+perlDreamerso  you're off the hook20:00
@Haargeither way, be sure to post any bugs/rfes/etc there20:01
+perlDreamerI guess that fixing the Matrix would be considered out of scope on that board.20:01
@Haargyes :)20:01
@Haargalthough if something was leading you to believe it was a wgd problem, there may be room for improvement20:02
+perlDreamerwell, it puked pretty badly on the bad package, but it was the same kind of vomitus produced by WebGUI itself.20:03
+perlDreamerbeing a father, I'm a relative expert in the identification of bodily exudations20:03
@Haargi really wish mysql didn't rely on the file system exclusively for its table names20:03
@Haargcreate.sql is generated differently depending on if i generate it or you do - it sorts the tables case insensitive for me20:05
@Haargthat doesn't cause any problems really, but it does make the file history more annoying to deal with.20:06
+perlDreamerbecause you're running it on MacOSX?20:06
+perlDreamercan we ask for a case insensitive dump?20:06
@Haargnot that i know of20:06
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+perlDreamertavisto: ping20:49
@tavistowho dares disturb the wizard?20:50
+perlDreamerIs Matrix search supposed to have search terms OR'ed together, or AND'ed ?20:50
@tavistoum...20:50
@tavistoI believe AND'ed20:50
+perlDreamerokay20:50
@tavistomultiple search terms which stack on each other20:50
+perlDreamerI'll see if I can fix that, too.20:51
@tavistophp, apache, open source, user management = matching results20:51
@tavistoJT went thru the results (except for the costs fields) and so the search options are consolidated into only a few options for each "system requirements" fields20:51
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CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12136 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 21:40
CIA-53WebGUI: Clean-up Matrix search template JS.21:40
CIA-53WebGUI: Add link back to main matrix screen.21:40
CIA-53WebGUI: Make initial search results match search form defaults.21:40
CIA-53WebGUI: fixes #10766, 1078621:40
+perlDreamerthat's for you, tavisto21:41
@tavistooooh what is this21:41
@tavistoCoolio so does the search screen start out blank then?21:42
+perlDreameryes and no21:43
+perlDreamerIf the default settings for the search form do not match any product, then it's blank21:43
+perlDreamerotherwise you get the products that match the default search form values21:43
+perlDreameralso, I added a link back to the main matrix screen21:43
+perlDreamerbecause it didn't have one21:43
@tavistogreat, yeah they should be blank then21:43
@tavistoWould it be possible to put in a brief message above those results?21:44
+perlDreamertavisto: you paste, I'll copy ;)21:45
+perlDreameralso, this is in 7.7, not 7.621:46
+perlDreameryou can always modify your template to get that message back in 7.621:46
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+BartJolwe're a bit behind tavisto: The topic for #webgui is: [7.6.31-stable | 7.7.14-beta21:50
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12137 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Document matrix search template navigation fix.21:54
@tavistohow is this:  Welcome to the CMSmatrix real-time search engine. To begin your search, select options on the right side of the screen and the CMS products which match your criteria will appear below.21:58
@tavistoNote: Please understand that you can only compare a maximum of 10 products at a time. If your search returns more than 10 products, uncheck the excess products and include them in another comparison afterwards.21:58
+perlDreamertavisto, a message that specific should be done to the CMSmatrix templates, since the number of products to compare is an asset property.21:58
@tavisto...21:59
+perlDreamerIt wouldn't be good to make that part of the default Matrix templates21:59
@tavistoah21:59
+perlDreameryou'd mess up the Dog Matrix, Messaging Matrix, Software Affiliates Matrix, etc.22:00
@tavistogood point, duh22:00
+perlDreamermaybe we need a Beer matrix22:02
+perlDreamerin it, we have a category called "Taste", which is a Matrix Compare field22:02
+perlDreamerit has entries "Yes", "No", "Limited", "Costs extra".22:03
+BartJolwell, that's a plan22:03
@tavistoI spose we could do something generic like this then:    "Welcome to the ^C real-time search engine. To begin your search, select options at the right and the results which match your criteria will appear below. Please note that you can only compare up to 10 results at a time."22:03
+BartJolis 10 also default? and not adjustable?22:03
+perlDreamer10 is adjustable22:03
@tavistohmm.. that's a good question. I thought that was fixed but let me look22:04
+perlDreamerTavisto, since I have to i18n that, how about: "To begin your search, select options at the right and the results which match your criteria will appear below"22:04
+BartJolah, and who has to translate that to Dutch,eh?22:05
+perlDreamerMartin22:05
+BartJolah, ok22:05
@tavistohmm.. i see a field for maximum comparisons22:05
+BartJolok, I have o get back to my bug fixing business22:05
+perlDreamerthat's it, tavisto22:06
@tavistoit shows 10 but I'm not sure if that's how many comparisons can be made or how many results are allowed per comparison. Help file isn't overly specific22:06
@tavistothe help popup says "specifies how many comparisons are allowed in searches and comparisons22:06
@tavisto" gee thanks..22:06
@tavistoI think your suggestion works fine perldreamer. LETS JUST DO EVERYTHING YOUUUUUUUU wanna do!22:07
@tavistoThat little line seems obvious, but you wouldn't believe how many people don't understand how the search works now22:07
+perlDreamerI want to take the day off and eat pizza.22:07
@tavistoI got 2 pieces left22:08
+BartJolstale?22:08
+perlDreamertavisto, we can improve the help, too.22:08
+perlDreamerhow 'bout this.  Please file bugs for all the changes that you want for i18n and messages.22:08
+perlDreamerMy boss says that if it's a posted bug in the core, I can fix it22:09
+BartJoleeeh, I thought you were your own boss22:10
+perlDreameralso, does it seem odd to that for a default Matrix, that Visitors can compare 25 things, but registered users can only compare 10?22:10
+perlDreamerCustomer/client boss.22:10
+BartJolah the customer is king22:11
+perlDreamerindeed, it's why it's so important to cultivate great customers.22:11
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12138 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): 22:39
CIA-53WebGUI: Entangle the required and editable properties of Profile fields.22:39
CIA-53WebGUI: Add tests. Update i18n for required property hover help.22:39
CIA-53WebGUI: Upgrade script to set editable=1 on all required fields.22:39
CIA-53WebGUI: fixes #1078122:39
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@preactiondaviddelikat: when you updated the Search page, did you allow selecting multiple statuses?22:56
@preactionalso, is there anything stopping me from releasing the HelpDesk to Plainblack.com?22:56
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+BartJoljoh perlDreamer I think I'm getting it. the idea is that during  pasting of a Post (for instance)  first it is tried to look at the asset whether that has that nethodm if so, that is executed. 23:01
+BartJolWith the SUPER method, the global asset paste method is executed (for pasting of a  post), then some post specific stuff. 23:01
@preactionBartJol, perlDreamer, if I were to make a Planet WebGUI on webgui.org, do you have a blog I could aggregate?23:13
@preactionI want to get into the Perl Ironman, and i want that blog to be on webgui.org, so i need other people to join me on webgui.org23:13
+BartJolpreaction: unfortunately not23:13
+BartJolbut perlDreamer , am I thinking in the right direction?23:14
+BartJolwell preaction, sure I want to join, but since I still am kindof a beginning programmer, I am not sure how much posts I can generate23:30
@preactiondoesn't have to be about programming at all23:30
+BartJolbut for attention for WebGUI and perl it does sound like a good idea23:30
@preactionjust about WebGUI, or things that WebGUI users would be interested in23:30
@preactionlike, i'll be adding the Plain Black Staff Blog to it, which Vrby posts to (he's not a designer or programmer, but has nice posts about WebGUI and business)23:31
+BartJolwell, that should be possible23:31
@preactionthe idea is that the blog is elsewhere and we pull it in to planet webgui.23:31
@preactionbut i can add a blog for people to post to on the webgui.org site as well23:32
+BartJolso I could make a post about fixing my first bug23:32
@preactioni'm going to do some experimenting and come up with something by the end of the week so i don't lose my momentum on this23:32
@preactionindeed23:32
+BartJolor the perrels of translating23:32
@preactionyeah, blog posts about the i18n would be great, getting more exposure for that feature23:32
@preactionbut i gotta run, i'll be back (unfortunatly probably after you're asleep)23:33
+BartJolstill up for 1 oe 2 hours23:33
@preactioni'll let you know when everything's ready, but if you want you can start writing. i want to get myself a few articles queued up before i begin in earnest23:33
+BartJol:)23:33
mducharme-workwow, a lot less bugs than there were last week23:53
+BartJolstill enough to do23:57
--- Day changed Tue Aug 18 2009
+BartJolbut PB and Colin (and more) are doing their best00:00
mducharme-workit's impressive how fast that list is getting whittled down though00:00
+BartJolit sure is00:00
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+perlDreamerpreaction: patspam already has one set up for WebGUI00:39
+perlDreamerBartJol, that's exactly right00:40
+BartJolperlDreamer: preaction is gone for a while00:40
+BartJolah, jipey00:40
+BartJolans super diggs further when it cannot find it 1 "level" earlier?00:41
+perlDreamerwell, when the method is called, it always checks the Asset own class first, and then parent classes00:42
+perlDreamerby using SUPER, we can tell the method in _our_ class to call methods in other classes as well00:42
+BartJolmmm, now it is done with a list, so a check whether it is a POst is required00:43
+BartJolin Post.pm00:43
+perlDreamerwell, we're not going to subclass www_restoreList00:45
+perlDreamerinside that sub, we're going to iterate over all the assets to restore00:45
+BartJolyes00:45
+perlDreamerand call $asset->restore on each one00:45
+BartJolah00:45
+perlDreamerthe restore method for Post will include the recounting00:46
+BartJolcheck00:46
+perlDreamerdaviddelikat: ping00:51
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+BartJolperlDreamer: it seems to work!01:07
+perlDreamerawesome!01:07
+perlDreamerwhich bug do you want to work on next?01:07
+BartJolnow, I'm gonna test whether other assets are also restored01:08
+BartJolit is!01:08
+BartJoljee01:08
+BartJolwell, I will post my code in the bug01:09
+BartJoleeeh, next bug...01:09
+perlDreamerjust kidding01:11
+BartJolwell, I would not mind, but it is better if I work slowly up01:12
+perlDreamerwe're down to basically 8 fixable core bugs01:15
+perlDreamer5 for the map01:15
+perlDreamerresizable textareas, v201:15
+perlDreamerCS # replies bug01:15
+perlDreamerHTTP vs HTTPS caching01:16
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+BartJolwell here it is http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/1075801:18
+BartJolfixable in reasonable time for you or me?01:19
+perlDreamerdefinitely01:19
+perlDreamerlet's fold it in now01:19
+BartJolah, then I also am able to upgrade again01:21
+BartJolthansk for all the help!01:22
+BartJolI owe you a beer01:23
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+perlDreamerBartJol: how does this look: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=1213901:27
+perlDreamerI made one small change, keeping the canEdit check inside www_restoreList instead of inside restore01:27
+perlDreamerthat's the way cut, delete and the others are done01:27
+perlDreamerpermission checks are only done in web facing methods01:27
+BartJolI saw01:28
+BartJollooks better indeed01:28
+BartJolI apparently was laze and copied the whole line ;)01:29
+BartJollazy01:29
+BartJolthanks01:30
+perlDreameryou're welcome.  Thank you for taking the time to fix that for me.01:30
@preactionperlDreamer: i was thinking one on webgui.org would be more official, though we could certainly pull in everything from patspam's01:30
+perlDreamerthat makes sense, but it is nice having a piece of WebGUI community that's not on webgui.org01:31
@preactionthat's why it's just an aggregator, not a blog01:32
@preactionmy blog will be www.whateverifindforagooddomainname.com01:32
@preactionthe pb staff blog will still be the pb staff blog01:32
+perlDreamerwho owns www.preaction.com?01:32
@preactionnot me01:33
+BartJolbut it is a good site as it is01:33
+BartJolnot too much info01:34
+perlDreamerseems a little washed out to me01:34
+BartJolwell, there is an image01:34
+BartJol1*!01:34
+perlDreamerpreaction: not to steal you thunder, but can we talk Map bugs?01:35
+perlDreamerHere's what I was thinking.  We should divide the labor.01:35
+perlDreamerYou fix the map bugs, and I'll watch and be in awe of your coding prowess and skills.01:35
+BartJolyeah, assign all to Bart and you're gonna drink beer in the bar01:36
@preactioni'm thinking something completely unrelated to my net handle. like "jumphope.com" or something01:36
@preactiondopesfloat.com01:36
+perlDreamerdougbell.com?01:36
@preactionsoapfloats!01:37
+BartJolhttp://www.thatweirdguy.com/01:37
@preactionpopefloats!01:37
@preactioncoatfloats?01:38
+perlDreamerrootbeerfloats01:38
+perlDreamercoat floats are high in fiber01:38
@preactionnpopefloats or soapfloats are much more awesome01:38
+BartJolhotseflots.com01:38
+perlDreamerso....01:38
+perlDreamer'bout them Map bugs01:38
@preactionmemorable, pronouncable, not confusing01:39
@preactionright01:39
+BartJolok, I'm off, my mom says I must go to bed01:39
@preactionuh... well... hows aboot tomorrow after i finish the morning shift on the support boards?01:39
+perlDreamer'night, BartJol01:40
+BartJolmerci01:40
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+perlDreamerthat works for me, preaction.  If you tell me what needs to be done on a bug, I'd fix it for you, too.01:40
@preactionwith the three-four people who have been variously on and off the support boards, i'm trying to get the mess cleaned up01:40
@preactionokay, let me pull up two of the bugs and see01:41
+perlDreamerotherwise, I'm going to ponder cap10morgan's HTTP/HTTPS bug01:41
+cap10morganwoooo!01:41
@preactionthe No Save Button one is easy, just add one.01:41
+perlDreamerwhat/how should it submit?01:42
@Haargi'm working on the codearea/textarea bugs01:42
+perlDreamerI downsized them to 1 bug.01:42
@preactionthere should be a "save()" function in the map.js01:42
+perlDreamerso it should be half the work, Haarg01:42
@Haargheh01:42
@preaction10552 <- this is a problem in the IntSlider not setting itself correctly when loading01:43
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@Haargalso, i just merged the exceptions/help stuff into wgdev/master01:43
+perlDreamerI'll switch back to master then01:43
@Haargso anyone interested i would appreciate any testing01:44
+perlDreamerpreaction: where does one find map.js?01:44
+perlDreamersnippet, template, file?01:44
@preactionwww/extras/yui-webgui/build/map/map.js01:44
@Haargback later01:44
+perlDreamerah, yes, editPointSave01:45
+perlDreamerGEvent?01:45
+perlDreamerwth?01:45
@preactiondon't ask. god don't ask01:46
@preactionit's horrible01:46
@preactionif you want, change it to use YUI Event, much nicer01:47
+perlDreamerno, I'd rather go fight HTTP/HTTPS issues01:47
@preactionfine be that way01:47
+perlDreameryou've got Google Code in the YUI!01:47
@preactionquitter01:47
@preactionthere has to be google code, it's a goooooooogle map!01:47
+perlDreamerit's too much, Captain.  She canna' handle it!01:48
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12139 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 01:56
CIA-53WebGUI: Make Threads recalculate the number of replies when restoring a Post from the Trash.01:56
CIA-53WebGUI: Fixes bug #10758.01:56
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+perlDreamerhm, int slider works okay in the user profile...02:03
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+perlDreamerpreaction: is the Google MAP API key good for any domain, or only the 1 domain that I register?02:23
@preactionfor every domain you need a key02:23
@preactionthat's why the key auto-fills with any other Map key if you have more than one Map on a site02:24
@preactionsometimes it's the little touches that make great software ;)02:24
* preaction goes exercising02:25
+perlDreamersweat on, brother02:25
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+perlDreamerah ha, it doesn't work in the user profile02:38
+perlDreamerwell, it will now ;)02:44
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CIA-53WebGUI: Fix the IntSlider integer input box. It was displaying 0 regardless of the actual03:18
CIA-53WebGUI: value of the slider.03:18
CIA-53WebGUI: Fixes bug #10552.03:18
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CIA-53WebGUI: graham * r12142 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fixed #10739: Textarea and Codearea resize don't work in IE or Webkit browsers19:09
CIA-53WebGUI: graham * r12143 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fixed #10739: Textarea and Codearea resize don't work in IE or Webkit browsers19:09
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+perlDreamerMorning, webgui-type people.19:12
@Haargmorning19:12
@HaargperlDreamer, what's the deal with 7.6.35-1?19:13
+perlDreamerI'm forking WebGUI, and taking you PB guys head to head!19:14
+perlDreamerwell... not really19:14
@preactionNOOOOOOOOOOOO19:14
+perlDreamer7.6.35.1 fixes some i18n mistakes that were added to .3519:14
+perlDreamerand includes changes to testCodebase that SquOnk requested, to make testing easier19:14
@Haargwell, i just added the fixes for the textarea/codearea19:16
+perlDreamerBased on what SquOnk said about Debian, I think we should reconsider our release policy19:17
+perlDreamerfor a package to make it into Debian testing, it can't be followed by a new version for 10 days19:18
+perlDreamerwhich basically locks us out until the next stable is released19:18
@Haargdoing alternating weeks for releases would be an easy change.  i guess ask jt what he thinks.19:19
+perlDreameris he conventioning still?19:19
@Haarghe's in the office19:19
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+perlDreamerI'll see if I can't dig up the IRC log, and I'll ship him a copy for reference19:22
+perlDreamerhow hard was the resize fix?19:23
@Haargnot hard19:23
@Haargit didn't take long, i just kept getting distracted with other things19:24
+perlDreamerhm, looking back at the log, it appears the problem may be easier to solve than changing the release on our end.19:25
+perlDreameras long as SquOnk doesn't release weekly, then we can automatically be moved up to Squeezy19:25
+perlDreamerbut he's been tracking our releases, which is nice19:26
+perlDreamerHaarg: with an explicit number of rows and columns, are the initial sizes correct?19:34
@Haargthose are required attributes, which is why i put them in.  they get overridden anyway.19:34
@Haargresize.reset()19:34
+perlDreamercool19:35
+perlDreamerwow.  That was fast!20:22
@preactionit's MadMongers day, so we're all here20:24
+perlDreamerHail, hail, mad mongers are here (chanted to the tune of Yale Boola)20:28
+perlDreamernow, time for me to go to the gym20:29
* perlDreamer is back22:22
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* perlDreamer feeds kids22:44
+perlDreamerbbiaw22:44
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+perlDreameroh, brother23:26
@preactionamen, brother23:26
+perlDreamerIs it general practice to put setenviroment.sh into your .bashrc?23:27
@preactioni do23:27
@Haargon our servers we have it linked into /etc/profile.d23:27
+perlDreamerI have some anecdotal evidence that doing that breaks yum on CentOS 5.323:28
@Haargi have my own install of everything of course so i don't use it locally23:28
+perlDreamerI set up a VM, installed the WRE, setenvironment.sh, wreconsole.pl23:28
+perlDreamerthen tried to run yum update23:28
+perlDreamerand it puked23:28
+perlDreamerI removed setenv.sh from my .bashrc, and logged out and back in again23:29
+perlDreamerand yum starts working23:29
@Haargcould be DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH23:29
@Haargi've had it cause problems with other programs in the past23:29
+perlDreamerthe error that I get is an XML parsing problem with python and yum23:30
+perlDreamerso maybe there's some issue with the libxml that the WRE ships with?23:31
@preactionyeah, that's WRE-related. i got it all the time when i was using debian-based systems and apt-get23:31
@preactiondifferent API version probably23:31
daviddelikatwhat is the purpose of gist.github?23:32
@Haargabout the same as pastebin23:32
+perlDreamernopaste -S gist -x FTW!23:33
@Haargi just have gist set as my default service23:33
daviddelikatso can you use it like a clipboard?23:34
+perlDreamerit's a paste service, just like webgui.pastebin.com23:35
daviddelikatI'm tyring to figure out what these lines about 'nopaste' and 'default service' mean.23:36
@HaargApp::Nopaste23:37
+perlDreamernopaste is an application for submitting command line content to different paste services23:37
@Haargallows you to easily paste stuff to a number of paste services from the command line23:37
daviddelikatcan it get the text back as well?23:37
@Haargyou can give it files, pipe content to it, or tell it to use the clipboard23:37
+perlDreamersure, just download your own paste23:38
daviddelikatit woudl be so much easier when going from vm to vm than messing with the local unreliable clipboard23:38
daviddelikatcool I'll have to look into it23:38
@Haargit doesn't have a facility for retrieving from a paste service23:39
daviddelikatHaarg: i have a question/comment about helpdesk meta field sorting...  you got a minute?23:39
@Haargsure23:39
daviddelikatI did most of the wqork addign it to HD but when I got to the actual sort I found that in order to do it I would have to perform a join to the meta data table,...  very messy because each field is one row...23:40
daviddelikatdid you have any ideas on how to implement this feature?23:40
@Haargwell, for sorting you should only ever need one field right?  so if you had just a join and a where clause it would probably work, although it may be a bit slow.23:42
+perlDreameryou could promote it to an asset property, instead of metadata23:42
@Haargpromote what?23:42
+perlDreamerthe one metadata field23:42
daviddelikatI was considering adding sortable fields to the index23:42
@Haargyou should be able to sort on any of the metadata though.23:43
daviddelikatsearchable fields already get added23:43
daviddelikatso you weren't expecting a 'sortable' option for the meta field...23:44
@Haargoh, an option like you have it is fine23:45
+perlDreamerHaarg, I was thinking that if joining the metadata values table was too slow, then it could be made an asset property.23:45
@Haargi just mean, taking one particular meta field and saying we want to sort on it and adding it to the core asset properties doesn't make sense23:45
+perlDreamernot core asset properties, just for Ticket.23:46
+perlDreamerI don't understand the reason it was made metadata vs an asset property in the first place23:46
@Haargthe reason what was made metadata?23:47
daviddelikatthe helpdesk meta data is actual a user customization feature23:47
daviddelikatits not really a very good name for it.23:47
@Haargmetadata fields in help desk are configured by the user, yeah.  and they are different for each help desk.23:47
+perlDreamerso HD metadata is not the same as good ol' fashioned asset metadata?23:47
daviddelikatexactly23:47
daviddelikathence nto a good name23:48
daviddelikattoo much confusion23:48
+perlDreamerthen I'm talking out of the wrong side of my keyboard23:48
+perlDreamerI apologize for the sidetrack23:48
daviddelikatnot problem, do you have any ideas now that you know the real problem?23:48
+perlDreamerno23:49
* perlDreamer has no idea how it works23:49
@Haargwell, we are only sorting on one column at a time right?23:49
@Haargso just having a join with a where clause would probably work23:49
daviddelikatso I was thinking that we could just add sortable fields to the index and then we just join the index, or just use only the index, but I'm not sure how that will work in the code23:50
daviddelikatyou mean joining the meta data table to the ticket table23:50
@Haargyeah23:51
daviddelikatyou don't think that number of rows will be prohibitive?23:51
@Haargi'm not sure23:51
daviddelikatif we have 2 meta fields on 10,000 tickets that would join 20,000 rows to the ticket table23:51
daviddelikatsimply to display 25-100 of those rows23:52
+perlDreameruse a limit clause?23:53
+perlDreamerunless you're doing client side sorting in the datatable?23:53
daviddelikatthe sql engine cann pick the rows from ticket rather quickly base on indexes, but the joined rows would be another story23:53
daviddelikatno its server side sorting, that is why it is a problem23:53
daviddelikatclient side would not be an issue because all the data is there.23:54
@Haargon the subject of gist, i haven't use it but there is this: http://github.com/defunkt/gist/blob/f36b74b1c0272f6d1a8969aa9611c08fd30be2f7/gist.rb23:54
@Haargwhich can post to and retreive from gist23:54
daviddelikatawesome...23:55
daviddelikatthe first ruby program i'll ever use23:56
daviddelikatat least until i re-write it23:56
+perlDreamerin perl!23:58
daviddelikatwhat else?23:58
+perlDreamerit would be nice to extend App::Nopaste to do that23:59
daviddelikatproblem is I'd have to learn ruby to figure out whats going on inhere23:59
@Haargcurl http://gist.github.com/103936.txt23:59
--- Day changed Wed Aug 19 2009
@Haargthat simple i guess00:00
+perlDreamernot bad00:04
@Haargyou can also git clone git://gist.github.com/103936.git00:07
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+perlDreamerokay, who turned off the intertubes?00:15
+perlDreamerin the wiki instructions for making your own SSL cert for the WRE, what does "remove passphrase" mean?00:22
+perlDreamerhttp://www.webgui.org/admin/wiki/configuring-webgui-for-ssl-https00:23
@Haargit means the instructions should be changed00:28
@Haargthat first command should be openssl genrsa -out server.key 102400:28
@Haargthere is another command to decrypt the server key, but i don't remember what it is offhand00:29
daviddelikatHaarg: is there mad mongers tonight?00:30
@Haargyes00:30
daviddelikatmake my day...00:31
@HaargperlDreamer, i see what is confusing on that page00:32
@Haargthere's a reset style on it00:32
@Haargso the lists aren't indenting properly00:32
+perlDreameris it coming out of wg2009.css?00:37
@Haargyes00:37
+perlDreamersetting the margin to 10px prevents them from nesting?00:41
@Haarg10?00:41
@Haarg* { margin: 0; padding: 0 }00:41
+perlDreameroh.  *00:41
@Haargit kills all margins and padding on everything00:42
+perlDreamerI've got a prototype fix that I've tested with firebug, can I try modding wg2009.css?00:45
+perlDreamerI just made the ul CSS rule to be ul,ol00:45
@Haargah00:45
@Haargi didn't check for an ul rules00:46
@Haargyeah, feel free00:46
+perlDreamerI'll leave a good commit note00:46
@Haargi filed a bug on it00:46
@Haargi wasn't sure if the current behavior was depended on in some way, but if it only is an issue for ol i'm sure it is fine to change00:46
+perlDreamerwell, once I make the tag I'll surf the site and look for strange rendering in other areas before committing it00:50
+perlDreamerleft and top navs work okay00:54
+perlDreamerI was worried about them since I know some of them are based on lists00:54
+perlDreamerman, all I really wanted to do was set up SSL so that I could work on cap10morgan's HTTPS bug00:57
+perlDreamerwhat a day!00:57
@preactioni'm writing a presentation on my Map asset, and now i'm seeing all the screwups and "WTFs"01:11
+perlDreamerI hear that there may be some posted, bugs, too01:12
@preactionyeah, i can probably get to all this during the week. my support days are Mon and Tues01:14
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* perlDreamer hates libgomp03:46
@Haargwe still need to test teh flag that disables that as a prereq03:51
@Haarg*the03:51
+perlDreamernot to be pendantic, but on how many browsers has the latest resize fix been tested?03:52
@Haargfirefox 3.5, ie6, opera, safari 403:54
+perlDreamerthat's pretty good!04:35
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perigrinwhat no lynx?04:37
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+perlDreamerwhen I try to start mysqld via wreconsole, or wreservice, it says it did not start, but there are new mysql processes that were started04:44
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wgGuest67hello05:40
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+perlDreamerhowdy wgGuest6705:54
+perlDreamerdo you have any WebGUI questions?05:54
wgGuest67yes ihave been trying to set up on a centos system06:00
wgGuest67i just posted on the forums about ispconfig and wre if they work togeather06:01
wgGuest67im going to install it in the am and see what happens, im not sure on porting in ispconfig06:02
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+perlDreamerI haven't heard of ispconfig before.06:05
+perlDreamerAre you trying to setup the whole WRE, or just WebGUI itself?06:05
wgGuest67http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-centos-5.3-i386-ispconfig-206:07
+perlDreamerah, I see06:08
wgGuest67i used how to forge to set up centos server for mail, DNS and other stuff06:08
wgGuest67I had the server running at firts with only the webgui wre and dyndns.com doing my dns server06:09
wgGuest67it worked great but I could not use contact forms06:09
wgGuest67i know have a static IP and wanted to run the whole server from home06:10
wgGuest67I tried to do dns and sendmail with no luck thats why I just tried ispconfig06:11
+perlDreamerthe problem will be the email relaying for email06:12
+perlDreamersince other email servers may not relay email from your dyndns account06:12
wgGuest67your correct thats why I want to do all from home and it appears the control panel in ispconfig will let me host my own email06:14
+perlDreamerwell, from your server can you send email, without using the contact forms, relaying through the sendmail on the server?06:15
wgGuest67i dont know if the two seperate mysql and apatche data bases 06:15
+perlDreamerthat won't make a difference for sending email06:16
wgGuest67i dont know yet I just finshed configering server i could send outgoing mail before i reconfigerd with evolution email via root06:16
+perlDreamerand you're using your local sendmail for outgoing email?06:17
wgGuest67i just configerd postfix06:18
wgGuest67i couldnt figer out why sendmail woulnt work06:18
wgGuest67i thought id try it with the new set up06:18
+perlDreamerwell, if you can use your local postfix to send outgoing email from Evolution, WebGUI should be able to use it, too06:19
wgGuest67in webgui in setting i was trying something like /etc/sbin/sendmail it never worked is that where i config it06:20
+perlDreamerthat is where you config it.06:21
wgGuest67what do most people put there etc/sbin/sendmail or etc/sbin/sendmail.sendmail or something diff?06:22
wgGuest67ill be putting in etc/sbin/postfix to start once i reinstall the wre06:23
+perlDreamermost people put "localhost"06:23
+perlDreamerbut from the tooltip in the settings, you can also put the path to your MTA06:24
wgGuest67i did that and it never worked but that will be step one 06:24
wgGuest67i tried everything that is why i reinstalled everything fresh and im going to try the new server set up according to howtoforge06:25
wgGuest67everything in the site worked great no problems but the contacts if all fails this time ill delete that page06:26
wgGuest67thankyou sir ill try and intsall the wre again on the fresh install and I hope all works06:28
+perlDreamergood luck :)06:28
wgGuest67thanks goodnite06:29
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CIA-53WebGUI: patspam * r12144 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Minor fix - made subclass dependency explicit15:59
CIA-53WebGUI: patspam * r12145 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/User.pm: User::delete should remove corresponding rows from inbox_messageState when delete user inbox rows15:59
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@Haargmorning perlDreamer 17:56
+perlDreamerhowdy, Haarg :)17:56
+perlDreamerwould this be a silly query to run: delete from message_inboxState where userId not in (select userId from users) 17:57
+perlDreamersilly with regard to speed17:58
@Haargi wouldn't think so, but you can always check explain to make sure it's not doing anything too silly18:00
+perlDreamerexplain?18:00
@Haargthe mysql command18:01
@Haargso you can see what indexes it's hitting etc18:01
+perlDreamerit only works on selects18:01
@Haargwell, you can do select from ... for testing18:02
+perlDreameryeah!18:02
+perlDreamerusers has a userId index, that will help18:04
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+perlDreamerHow did Mad Mongers go last night?18:12
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@Haargwent fine.  got to hear about various things preaction hates.18:14
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+perlDreamerall seems to be well, I must have avoided the list ;)18:18
CIA-53WebGUI: colin * r12146 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.7.17-7.7.18.pl): 18:27
CIA-53WebGUI: Document inbox_messageStates clean-up, and write an upgrade script to delete18:27
CIA-53WebGUI: states from users who have already been deleted.18:27
CIA-53wgdev: Graham Knop master * r1c3a061 / lib/WGDev/Help.pm : Remove code needed for extracting POD from merged script - http://bit.ly/2AI56218:32
CIA-53wgdev: Graham Knop master * r42f3001 / lib/WGDev/Command/Intro.pm : small improvements to intro docs18:32
@HaargperlDreamer, when you have some time could you take a look at the wgd intro docs and let me know if there's anything major it's missing or anything else you think would be worth adding?18:38
+perlDreamerwill do.  It'll probably be tomorrow during the release18:44
CIA-53WebGUI: graham * r12147 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #10790: Data Form doesn't always auto-commit version tags18:44
CIA-53WebGUI: graham * r12148 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #10790: Data Form doesn't always auto-commit version tags18:44
+perlDreamerthat's a nasty one...18:44
+perlDreamerI could use some help debugging a SSL setup on the WRE19:11
+perlDreamerI followed the instructions on the wiki for a self-signed cert19:11
+perlDreamermodified the config files in /data/wre/etc to enable SSL19:11
+perlDreameradded sslEnabled to the WebGUI config file19:11
+perlDreamerbut when I try to access a URL using https it tells me that it can't reach the server19:12
+perlDreamerthere are no errors in the apache modproxy log file19:12
+perlDreamerhm19:12
@Haargwhat changes did you make to the wre/etc files?19:12
+perlDreamerI uncommented the section for SSL, and changed the IP address to be 127.0.0.119:12
+perlDreameroh, SELinux is set to be permissive, and the firewall is set to allow HTTPS19:13
@Haargyou need to add a listen directive if you haven't19:13
+perlDreamerI did, but it had the wrong IP address in it.  127.0.7.119:14
+perlDreamerthanks, Haarg.  Now maybe I can get down to fixing the HTTPS/HTTP caching bug19:15
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CIA-53webgui: Graham Knop master * r4853206 / etc/WebGUI.conf.original : example CDN configuration shouldn't be added to config21:07
CIA-53webgui: Graham Knop master * r39127b7 / t/Asset/Asset.t : add tests for url extensions - http://bit.ly/XzIsr21:07
@Haargi switched cia to report the commits through github instead of watching svn21:08
+perlDreamerand it will still report pure svn commits?21:10
+perlDreamerI mean, github is monitoring our SVN?21:11
@Haargit's mirroring our svn every 10 minutes21:11
@Haargnobody can commit to github yet21:11
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+perlDreamerI'm testing a new Env method that encapsulates checks for SSL requests21:12
SquOnkGreetings21:12
+perlDreamerHowdy, SquOnk.21:12
+perlDreamerDid you see the 7.6.35.1 release?21:12
SquOnkperlDreamer: A read your mail. My kid deleted it ;-)21:13
SquOnkperlDreamer: I've noticed it is NOT in the usual webgui download directory.21:13
+perlDreamerI think I mentioned that21:13
+perlDreamerthere are no more 7.6 releases21:14
+perlDreamer7.6.35.1 is unofficial according to PB21:14
SquOnkperlDreamer: As 7.5.40.1 was. JT released that one just to allow the original Debian upload.21:14
SquOnkperlDreamer: So, where do I download it?21:15
+perlDreamerfrom the Bazaar21:15
+perlDreamerI see there is a Community Release section on sf.net21:15
+perlDreamerlater today I'll put it there, too21:15
SquOnkperlDreamer: Exactly.21:15
SquOnkperlDreamer: I need a pristine tar.gz21:15
+perlDreameryou can get it from the Bazaar21:16
+perlDreamerit'll be the same thing21:16
SquOnkperlDreamer: Ok. As I wrote before, my kid deleted the e-mail message (don't ask).21:17
SquOnkperlDreamer: Where do I look for it?21:17
+perlDreamerhttp://www.webgui.org/bazaar21:17
SquOnkperlDreamer: Found it. Never mind.21:17
+perlDreamerplease let me know when you've got it packaged, and I'll make sure there are no new releases for 10 days.21:19
SquOnkperlDreamer: If you hold on for about half and hour you'll be the first to know.21:20
+perlDreamerI may be feeding my kids in an hour and a half, but I'll still be online ;)21:20
+perlDreamerSo what do kids in South America eat for lunch?21:20
SquOnkperlDreamer: Cool. I'll work faster then.21:20
SquOnkperlDreamer: Well, it depends.21:20
SquOnkperlDreamer: My kid is currently with his mother and grand-mother about 100 miles from here in her hometwon.21:21
SquOnkperlDreamer: But it's usually chicken/beef with either rice/potatoes.21:21
+perlDreamerand he deleted your email from there?  You kid has skillz21:21
SquOnkperlDreamer: There's always soup.21:21
SquOnkperlDreamer: lol21:21
SquOnkperlDreamer: The one day he spent in Caracas, he managed to delete it... he wanted to play tuxracer so he clicked randomly...21:22
SquOnkperlDreamer: There's always some beef/chicken-based broth with vegetables (carrots, zucchini, beans)21:23
+perlDreamersoup is good21:23
SquOnkperlDreamer: Sometimes minced, sometimes blended.21:23
SquOnkperlDreamer: I prepare a mean chicken noodle soup...21:23
SquOnkperlDreamer: ..._very_ spicy for grownups ;-)21:24
+perlDreamerI like the sound of that!21:24
+perlDreamermaybe we need a Developer Recipe forum21:24
+perlDreamerfor the hacker looking for mealtime ideas21:24
SquOnkperlDreamer: Santiago (my son) loves my tuna-tomato pasta sauce21:24
SquOnkperlDreamer: ...I always sneak minced black olives in it so he doesn't complain.21:24
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SquOnkperlDreamer: The secret of the sauce being a base of garlic, onions and _carrots_.21:25
+perlDreamercarrots?21:25
SquOnkperlDreamer: Once the carrots let go of its sugar, the tomatos lose acidity ;-)21:25
SquOnkperlDreamer: That's just a hacker using chemistry to his advantage.21:26
SquOnkperlDreamer: I've never used recipes per se. I hack the ingredients based on chemistry alone.21:26
+perlDreamerI'm pretty lost without a recipe21:27
SquOnkperlDreamer: So, the sauce ends up being thick and silky, a tad sweet that gets corrected with a pinch of salt and pepper. If using tuna, I skip the salt.21:27
SquOnkperlDreamer: And since I'm half argentinian, I have the grilling & barbequeing chromosome21:28
Socrateslol21:28
SquOnkperlDreamer: Besides BBQing whatever piece of meat I tend to be creative with vegetables too.21:29
Socratesi've been in ecuador/peru for 3 weeks, i think all i got was rice with chicken21:29
Socratesshoulda gone to argentinia for some prime beef21:29
+perlDreamerI could live on rice with protein for a very long time.21:29
SocratesperlDreamer: after 3 weeks we finally went to som more tourist-minded places for some 'normal' food21:29
SquOnkperlDreamer: Take a piece of aluminum foil. Place a clean whole large _beet_ in it. Add a teaspoon of butter/olive oil, parsley. Wrap it up. BBQ it.21:30
SquOnkYou can use white onions, red onions or even full garlic heads instead of beets. But believe me, roasted beet makes for a surprise side dish.21:30
+perlDreamermy wife would love that21:31
+perlDreamerI'll have to see how they are doing in the garden21:31
SquOnkAnother weird invention of mine came up in the middle of a BBQ session.21:31
SquOnkYou know this cardboard/aluminum cases for milk. Tetrabrik, I believe they're called.21:31
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1c9908f / (5 files in 3 dirs): 21:31
CIA-53webgui: Encapsulate logic for determining if an SSL request has been made.21:31
CIA-53webgui: Refactor core modules to use that. - http://bit.ly/n921u21:31
+perlDreamerI haven't heard of those.21:33
SquOnkWell, as I was cooking, a discussion started on how difficult is to recycle Tetrabrik packs. I wasn't aware that they are made of entwined aluminum and cardboard...21:33
SquOnk...and we were drinking wine out of tetrabrik packs at the time, so I grabbed one of the empty ones and started fiddling with it (once a hacker, always a hacker).21:33
SquOnkSo, this is what I did with the other one.21:33
SquOnkI washed the insides thoroughly to get rid of the remains of wine therein. I placed it above the grill to make sure it was dry on the inside.21:34
SquOnkI diced potatoes and onions and stir fried them a couple of minutes 21:35
SquOnkJust to get them half way done.21:35
SquOnkFour eggs.21:35
SquOnkMixed the half-cooked potatoes and onions with the raw egss. Poured that inside the tetrabrik pack.21:36
SquOnk7/8 of it were full.21:36
SquOnkShook it vigorously for half a minute or so.21:36
SquOnkThen I stapled the tetrabrik shut and just placed it over the charcoal.21:37
SquOnkThe cardboard burnt. It looked like crap from outside.21:37
SquOnkBut thanks to the aluminums' hysteresis, the "spanish tortilla" inside came out _beautiful_.21:37
SquOnkMy only regret was not adding some sausage and bell peppers to it ;-)21:38
SynQhttp://www.webgui.org/2009-design-contest/design-contest-finalists21:38
SynQgo and vote!21:38
+perlDreamerSynQ: re the BACKPAN thread, your arguing is very well reasoned21:39
SynQthanks21:39
SynQbut do you agree?21:40
+perlDreameryes21:40
SynQgreat21:40
SynQhave you posted so in the tread?21:40
+perlDreamerI should have downloaded the source, and just replaced perl21:40
+perlDreamernot yet21:40
SynQwell that depends21:40
SynQI would say you update the perl modules too21:40
SynQit might very well be that the reason they have been upgraded is due to the RC21:41
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1ee674c / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Layout.pm): 21:41
CIA-53webgui: Force the page layout to use different caches for HTTPS vs HTTP requests.21:41
CIA-53webgui: Fixes bug #10674.21:41
+perlDreamerwell, in that case, we're back to the original problem21:42
+perlDreamermany of the modules are no longer available from CPAN21:42
SynQperlDreamer: an unstable version of the WRE would be the solution21:42
SquOnkWhat?21:43
SquOnkSorry... not related to WebGUI21:43
+perlDreamermarginally related to WebGUI, SquOnk.  I wanted to build perl-5.10.1-RC1 to test against WebGUI.21:45
SquOnk19.35$ for a CD in Amazon is a bit much, right?21:45
+perlDreamerI think so.  Is it a 2-pack?21:46
SquOnkperlDreamer: No. It's a remaster of a Venezuelan Progressive Rock band named Tempano.21:46
SquOnkperlDreamer: I used to have the LP. Old girlfriend destroyed it.21:47
SquOnkperlDreamer: You simply can't get it here.21:47
+perlDreameryou seem to have this problem with people destroying and deleting your things, SquOnk21:47
SquOnkperlDreamer: Heh21:47
@HaargperlDreamer, how reasonable do you think it would be to implement this rfe perlDreamer: http://www.webgui.org/rfe21:47
@Haargimplementation wise it is extremely simple21:48
SquOnkperlDreamer: Yeah well. I could describe how that LP got destroyed, but then we should rate the channel PG-1321:48
+perlDreamerHaarg: that link was kind of short?21:48
@Haargheh21:48
@Haargsorry21:48
@Haarghttp://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/1067221:48
SquOnkThe three CDs go for $58... whaaat?21:49
+perlDreamerseems pretty reasonable.21:53
+perlDreamerit's just another way of detecting SSL requests21:53
+perlDreamerI'd add it to that new method for env that I just committed, too, in case people aren't using a proxy in front of WebGUI21:53
@Haargyeah, that's what i was thinking21:54
@Haargsince you already did most of the work21:54
+perlDreamerthen, later on, we could get rid of SSLPROXY altogether, and be "implied standard" compliant21:54
@Haargthe other thing i'm going to change21:54
@Haargis have it check for HTTP_SSLPROXY21:54
@Haargcheck the http header instead of the env variable set in the modperl config21:55
@Haargsimplifies the apache configs21:55
@Haargwhy does it have the '? 1 : 0' in there?21:56
+perlDreamerjust habit21:57
+perlDreamer1 will always be 1, but 0 is sometimes 0, '', or undef21:57
+perlDreamerdepending on what the leading logic does21:57
@preactiondid we announce that 7.6 is not being maintained anymore?22:04
+perlDreamerno22:06
+perlDreamerI thought that we needed 7.7 stable to do that22:07
+perlDreamerwhich would explain that large Wisconsite jumping up and down on my back22:08
SquOnkThe stability of 7.7 was supposed to be announced during WUC, wasn't it?22:10
SquOnk(I wrote in english, but thought in spanish... bad SquOnk)22:10
+perlDreamersupposed to be stable _before_ the WUC22:10
SquOnkperlDreamer: Ok.22:10
+perlDreamerthat way JT can talk about all the cool new things coming in the next major version22:10
SquOnkLike DBIx::Class support...22:11
@Haargcommitted the adjustment to the ssl detection22:11
SquOnkHeh22:11
CIA-53webgui: Graham Knop master * r743e615 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Session/Env.pm): improve handling of proxied SSL connections - http://bit.ly/vEOkh22:11
@preactionSquOnk: if you want DBIx::Class support, there's a community push for it here: http://github.com/preaction/modern-webgui22:13
SquOnkpreaction: I know, I kwown... couldn't resist ;-)22:13
+perlDreameryay!22:35
+perlDreamerNAB!22:35
CIA-53wrebuild: Graham Knop master * rdc726de / wre/var/setupfiles/modproxy.template : send X-Forwared-Proto: https in addition to SSLPROXY header - http://bit.ly/dsP8J22:36
+perlDreamerthat's Not A Bug, for you viewers in the home audience22:36
+perlDreamerpreaction: kristi seems determined to keep the number of Map bugs on the list constant22:37
@preactionheh22:40
+perlDreamerI'm going to polish off bartjol's latest CS bug22:40
+perlDreamerCan we sit down this afternoon and have you help me with the remainder of the bugs?22:41
@HaargperlDreamer, do you have a link to the example of setting up ldap you made?22:41
+perlDreameroh, yes!22:41
+perlDreamerIt's in the wiki22:41
+perlDreamerlet me hunt it down22:41
@Haarg'the' wiki22:41
@preactionperlDreamer: yeah, i can help this aft.22:42
+perlDreamer:) "a" wiki22:42
+perlDreamergoogle can't even find it22:42
+perlDreamerhttp://www.webgui.org/develop/wiki/basic-ldap-setup22:44
+perlDreamerit's in the develop wiki22:44
@preactionshould be in the Admin wiki, no?22:45
+perlDreamerpreaction: it's only for devs to do mockups22:45
@preactionah22:45
* perlDreamer will let mducharme write a real one for admins22:45
+perlDreamerplus, I don't want to copy/paste it22:45
@preactionreal one would be better anyway. an admin has a different outlook and goal than a dev22:47
@preactiona main problem with the splitting of wikis is probably that perspective thing22:47
@preactionokay, today i'm working on Map bugs and tonight i'm gonna fix the Subscribable aspect22:48
@preactioni want people to start adopting wiki articles22:48
+perlDreamerIf you go through the IRC logs, Haarg and I talked about a subscribable aspect, to help with a different issue22:49
@preactionthere is one, that's the thing. it's just not yet completely bugfixed22:49
+perlDreamerin core?22:50
@preactionno, in my git repo22:53
* perlDreamer has yet to brave the convoluted contents of preaction's git repo22:59
@preactioni haven't forked webgui yet to put the stuff in there i want23:00
+perlDreamerNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO23:06
SynQthis WUC will be the ultimate fork wuc23:06
+perlDreamerwhat are going to do in the pre-conference hackathon?23:09
@preactioni still say the Blog asset is a good idea23:09
+perlDreamermaybe I should start a spec23:11
@preactionor we could fix the Calendar and add CalDAV support to it23:13
+perlDreamerhaving a rock solid calendar would be nice23:14
@preactionby fix i mean get it in line with using iCalendar under the hood everywhere23:14
+perlDreamerit works pretty well right now23:14
@preactionmaybe even stop it from doing its stupidity with creating a single Asset for each occurance of a recurring Event23:14
+perlDreamermaybe we need a slate of projects23:14
+perlDreamerbut I think they should be achievable in a day23:14
@preactionand so add the feature to alter a single occurance of an Event23:15
@preactionah23:15
+perlDreamerso we don't dangle projects23:15
+perlDreamermaybe that's too strigent23:15
+perlDreamerhow 'bout we do a dev thread on it?23:16
@preactionsounds good to me23:17
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3d1ed2f / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm): Make threads recalculate rating on delete/restore. Fixes #10788. - http://bit.ly/2njkPK23:21
+perlDreamerposted.  Everybody please chime in.23:25
* perlDreamer is out for a bit running errands.23:25
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Slainehi, guys.23:38
SlaineI was wondering if there is any known issues with update.webgui.org, as during my wre install, it seems wreconsole.pl fails when looking up for the lateste stable release23:40
@preactionSlaine: provided you can connect out to it from the same system, please post it as a bug and someone will take a look23:41
CIA-53webgui: Paul Driver master * r0a0ee3e / (3 files in 2 dirs): Fixed semi-rare memory leak in getLineage - http://bit.ly/VcFvO23:41
Slaineyes i can by simply browsing it...23:42
@preactionokay, post the bug, and choose the Manual Install option for now23:43
@preaction(which means download webgui yourself, the latest stable is 7.6.31, untar it to /data/WebGUI, and then click Manual Install > )23:43
Slainewhere do i go? on the developer forum on webgui.org?23:43
@preactionhttp://webgui.org/bugs23:43
Slaineoki will do right now..23:44
@preactionthanks23:44
Slaineone other quick question: i am interested by the google map asset, which I beleive is available on 7.7... is this release "stable" enough to go with it right now?23:45
@preactioni wouldn't put it on a critical production machine, but for just a personal website sure23:45
@preaction"beta" release means that there are features that may not be completely stable, but that things that were stable before are still stable now23:46
Slaineoki. no potential issues to just upgrade from current micro version of 7.7.x to future stable 7.7.y, then?23:46
@preactionnope23:47
Slainethanks :)23:47
@preactionour upgrade path is as solid as we can make it, plainblack.com has survived the upgrade path from 0.1.0 until 7.7.x23:47
Slainewell, that proves it indeed :)23:48
@preactionplainblack.com gets upgraded to the latest beta when it is released, so we can drink our own kool-aid and fix the upgrade bugs before they take apart important sites ;)23:49
ckotilimpressive23:49
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Slaineaaargh.. silly stupid i am.... I was ssh'ing my future webgui hoist.. did try to browse update.webgui.org from my pc instead of the actual server...00:02
Slainenow the questiuon is : how the hell can i delete the ticket i've just created :)00:03
@preactionSlaine: you should be able to click "Edit" next to the upper-right and change the status to Resolved00:04
@preactionthen say what happened in the box that pops up00:04
@preactionif that doesn't work, then just add a comment saying what happened and we'll close it, no biggie00:05
Slaineok just added a comment (status was stil pending so couldn't use any edit button)00:08
Slainethanks for your insight :)00:09
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CIA-53webgui: Paul Driver master * r2621f92 / lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm : Small bug with the memory leak fix... fixed - http://bit.ly/1azDlF00:41
@HaargperlDreamer, i just sent you a merged upgrade script00:50
@Haargnot tested at all yet00:50
+perlDreamerdude!  Thank you!00:50
@Haargwill probably need the stuff that caused stop versions in early 7.7 adjusted00:52
+perlDreamerto be run in a particular order?00:53
@Haargwell, the order in the script is the same as the order in the existing scripts00:53
@Haargbut if any of the early upgrade functions depends on the earlier behavior it will be a problem00:54
+perlDreamerI see.  That makes sense00:54
* perlDreamer goes for _another_ errand00:58
@preactionis this evil? <select style="float: right;" onchange="eval { this.options[this.selectedIndex].value">01:10
@Haargyes01:11
@preactiondamn you01:11
@preactioneh, doesn't work anyway01:12
@preactionah, much better way to do it01:14
@preactionand i think i figured out the problem with clicking on a link to focus on a point in the map: the click on the link gets processed and closes the info box before it can open01:14
@preactionbecause this select box doesn't do it01:15
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CIA-53webgui: Doug Bell master * r739541a / (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed #10624: map template problem with floats - http://bit.ly/2of6in01:41
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+perlDreamerGo preaction go!02:19
+perlDreamerSounds like a book I used to read02:19
+perlDreamerHack preaction hack.02:19
+perlDreamerHack by train02:19
+perlDreameror hack by night02:19
+perlDreamerhack in the day02:19
+perlDreameror hack in the light.02:19
@preactionColin Sees Preaction Hack02:19
+perlDreamerpreaction: does this look familiar http://gist.github.com/17069802:21
+perlDreamerre our memory leak talk today with frodwith02:21
CIA-53webgui: Doug Bell master * rcf63977 / (3 files in 2 dirs): fixed #10793: Map Add Point photo field - http://bit.ly/SXtvc02:21
@preactionyes02:22
@preactionthat would need the fix as well,02:22
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+perlDreameractually, I think that one is fine.  If the child calls getParent, it will point to a different copy of the same object, so no circular references there02:32
+perlDreamerthe problem comes when we pre-assign the parent to children we instanciate02:34
+perlDreamerusing our self02:36
daviddelikatpreaction: I just (finally) pushed the helpdesk change we talked about last night at madmongers up to the helpdesk git repo...02:46
daviddelikatsorry for the tardiness...02:46
daviddelikatgotta go have dinner02:46
@preactionnp, could you send me an e-mail with anything i need to update PB.com either tonight or tomorrow morning?02:47
daviddelikatsure, I'll send it after dinner.02:47
@preactionk, thanks02:47
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd6b4026 / (2 files): Fix typos in SQL related to RSSCapable. - http://bit.ly/qw25l02:51
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daviddelikatthe latest technology to safeguard your data: http://ollydbg.de/Paperbak/04:49
SDuensinThat's awesome.04:55
daviddelikatits like hi-res barcode04:56
SDuensinDon't spill your coffee on it.04:56
daviddelikatno kidding04:56
daviddelikatif thats your real backup theres some interesting precautions you need to take...04:57
SDuensinhehe04:57
SDuensinHey man, media-safe fire safes are a lot more expensive than paper-safe ones!04:57
daviddelikatbut htey don't have to be as large04:57
daviddelikati had an insurance agent who had a specially designed file cabinet in his office04:58
daviddelikatin case of fire04:58
daviddelikatit fell through the floor to the basement04:58
daviddelikatwhere it would get soaked by the fire dept.04:58
SDuensinThat's a good idea?04:59
daviddelikati guess04:59
daviddelikathe's the expert, not me04:59
@preactionplus, we can store paper almost indefinately, restore it, preserve it. optical and magnetic media are not as lucky05:32
@preactionwe have 1000+ year old paper, readable with intricate art. i doubt you'll find a 10-year-old floppy disk that works05:33
daviddelikatI suppose if we use both sides of the paper we can get almost half the data into only ten times the space05:33
@preactioni think 50 years is the shelf expectancy of a CD, probably less05:33
daviddelikatI think we tolerate the shorter life for the savings in space05:34
SDuensinIt's a LOT less in this house.05:34
@preactionof course, we're not talking about saving images or what-have-you. PDFs or something.05:36
@preactionbut plain ascii-text files...05:36
daviddelikatI ran into another bit of technology called vanish. http://vanish.cs.washington.edu/05:37
@preactionit'd be interesting to get a 1000+ year storage mechanism for this paper, write out the encoding scheme of the paper, and bury it somewhere05:37
daviddelikatits pretty cool if you don't want your post to last forever05:37
daviddelikatbut then some server could just implement the vanish decryption and store the orig text05:37
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+perlDreamercurse you daviddelikat, and your bug posting!06:30
daviddelikatdid i upset your position?06:30
daviddelikatwhich bug are we going on about?06:30
+perlDreamerthe core bug about templates06:31
* perlDreamer shouldn't complain06:31
daviddelikatah yes, well, I figured it was best if I report it before somebody else does...06:31
+perlDreamerindeed :)06:32
+perlDreamerthe funny thing is, I just fixed this bug for the generic asset Apply method06:35
+perlDreamerthe asset thinks it's locked, because another copy of the object was committed06:36
daviddelikatit should be easy to fix it again :)06:36
daviddelikatI think there should be a service that makes custom smileys that resemble the person using them06:36
+perlDreamerkind of like gravatar?06:46
+perlDreamerdaviddelikat, need a little more info about your bug06:54
+perlDreamerHow did you start out editing that template?06:54
+perlDreamerFrom the asset manager, or from a different asset's edit screen?06:54
+perlDreamerI just want to make sure that I've fixed it by duplicating (ha ha) the same steps06:54
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2bbf814 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm): 07:01
CIA-53webgui: Force the isLockedBy flag to be reset when autocommitting the tag for a duplicated template.07:01
CIA-53webgui: Fixes #10795 - http://bit.ly/GBneb07:01
+perlDreamernm, I was able to duplicate the behavior, and show that the code change fixes it.07:03
+perlDreamerback to debugging the shunt script07:03
+perlDreamerthat's done07:25
+perlDreamerpatspam: do you have bandwidth to look at a carousel bug?07:33
+perlDreamerfor reference: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/1051107:49
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SlaineHi, guys...15:12
+BartJolhi\15:12
+BartJolwhat's up, any questions?15:13
SlaineI have one question: just installed webgui with WRE0.9.3 rhel5 ia32, with manual install option (so i can work with latest beta webgui version)15:13
+BartJolyes15:13
Slainei just had to set the sticky bit to /root/tmp for mysqld to work, as in Mandriva distribution, the TMPDIR env variable overrides any other setup (ie: aka tmpdir=/tmp in my.cnf). preferred to do that rather than chmod'ing /root/tmp15:15
Slaineso everything went well, added my site, but when I try to start mod-perl it fails. I don't know how to show you the error.log though...15:17
+BartJolin pastebin15:17
+BartJolhttp://webgui.pastebin.com15:18
+BartJolfor privacy it might be better to replace your sitename with sitename15:18
Slaineseems like it's searching for ImageMagick, and other kinds of per modules in the /data/wre/prereqs/lib/ and sop on... so was wondering if wre 0.9.3 foir rhel5 is compliant with latest beta webgui release which may have additionnal requirements...15:18
Slainek I'll send it with pastebin15:19
+BartJolhave you run testEnvironment.pl?15:19
Slaineno, but I'd thought wre would avoid me to go through this procedure...15:20
+BartJolwell, all the modules should be ok, unless the wre package isn't build properly, but then it shouldn't be on sourceforge, so that is far fetched15:21
+BartJolwell, it cannot harm15:21
Slainestill, if i use testenvironment.pl, will it install missing modules on the very location mod_perl is lookint at?15:23
+BartJolyou should be able to choose15:23
+BartJolbut if the module is required it might install autmatically15:23
+BartJolyes15:23
+BartJolvia cpan15:24
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Slaineok.. can you give it a try on pastebin I've posted the mod_perl.error.log (under my nicknam=Slaine)15:26
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+BartJoldo you have a link, reloading doesn't give me your post15:27
Slainesorry here it is: http://pastebin.com/d5cda57cb15:27
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Slainemaybe is it worth givint a try with "automated install, so I see I have same issues with latest STABLE release (7.6.35)15:31
Slainebut i really would like to test the google map asset from 7.715:32
+BartJolwell, it's worth a shot15:32
Slaineany comment on my wonderful log? :)15:32
+BartJol:)15:32
+BartJolwell, it fails quite complete as far as I can see15:32
Slaineyes indeed :)15:33
+BartJolwhat did you do to install it, did you run wreconsole again?15:33
+BartJoloh, and I should use the word "well" less15:34
Slainewell, in order to check my "sticky bit" workarounf for mysql to work, i first launched wreconsole as automated. once i saw it worked, is rm -rf /data/WebGUI, downloaded 7.7 webgui and untar'ed it, then (killed mysqld again), then relaunched wreconsole, but choosed "manual install this time15:35
+BartJoland copied the spectre and log conf originals to real confs?15:36
+BartJolthat should not cause these errors15:37
+BartJolbut running stable did work ou?15:37
+BartJol+t15:37
Slainemmm.. not copied anything about .conf files...15:37
+BartJolah, that is needed15:37
+BartJolI don't know whether it solves the problem15:37
+BartJolin WebGUI/etc15:38
Slaineregarding stable: i just checked mysql could be launvhed by wreconsole, thus, i didn't configure any sites, or tried to launch mod_perl15:38
+BartJolok, so we don't know15:38
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Slaineso best i can do, is: start all over again, and directly use "manual install", as i know now my sticly bit workaround works fine.15:39
Slaine1/ it works, end of story15:39
Slaine2/ it doesn't work, then i try stable with "automated install", and configure a site.... iuf it works, then that means i better have to try testenvironment.pl15:40
Slainewhen using beta 7.715:40
Slaineif even stable does not work, then I have bigger issue :)15:41
+BartJolunfortunately yes15:41
Slainemaybe for the sake of my mind, i should install a redhat distri instead of mandriva :)15:42
Slainethat was just anothjer thought :)15:42
+BartJolwell, while you're at it :)15:42
+BartJolSlaine: but since mandriva isn't redhat based, the redhat build wre might not be ideal15:49
+BartJolyou can try a build of the wre, which takes time off course15:50
+BartJolif you do that, please make a package of it before starting the wreconsole15:51
Slainewell birth of mandriva was based on redhat (kind of french localized redhat).. but i agree it was some years (ages) ago.. :)15:51
Slainemy intent is to try to build wre on madriva in the future.15:52
+BartJolare you gonna do work on translating WebGUI?15:52
+BartJola new build might be the best option15:52
+BartJolbut that might deliver some problems15:53
Slainethe point is: i already made it work with wre rhel5 on a mandriva, but can't remember how :)15:53
+BartJoltoo bad15:54
Slainewell it was with 0.8.something version of wre..15:54
+BartJolah15:55
+BartJolthere have been some changes...15:55
Slaineok sterp 1: trying from scratch and manual install: doesn't work, sames modperl logs...15:55
Slainelet's try step 2: automated install (from scratch)...15:55
Slainedonwloadin latest stable release... (suspense..)15:59
Slaineaaargh :) same issue, same log...16:01
+BartJolwell16:02
Slaineso it doesn't come from automated vs manual instamm16:02
Slaineinstall...16:02
Slainelet's try .. testenv.pl?16:02
+BartJolok, then I suspect the build for redhat isn't suitable16:02
+BartJolbut yes, do tha16:02
+BartJolt16:02
Slaineok. sh.. :)16:02
+BartJolwait with deleting that16:04
Slaine??16:04
+BartJolit might need some base packages16:04
+BartJolin debian you need build-essentials16:04
+BartJolmaybe that is pure for building16:05
Slaineoooh... i see16:05
+BartJoland some other16:05
+BartJolsoo it might be that applyig packages (not random) might work16:05
Slaineyes, mod-perl is trying to recompile at startup16:05
+BartJolwas that maybe also the trick you used before?16:06
Slaineand it's true i installes a minimal linux system without (silly am i) all this copilers stuff and other libraries16:06
+BartJolln -s /data/wre/sbin/services/redhat/webgui /etc/init.d/webgui16:07
+BartJolchkconfig --add webgui16:07
+BartJolchkconfig webgui on16:07
+BartJolOn RHEL 5 or higher you need to install the libgomp RPM.16:07
+BartJolin the install for redhat16:07
+BartJollifrom your log: [Thu Aug 20 14:04:51 2009] [error] Can't load '/data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/i686-linux/auto/Image/Magick/Magick.so' for module Image::Magick: libgomp.so.1:16:08
Slainesounds good :)16:08
Slainejust urpmi'ing16:08
+BartJolah, apt-getting :P16:09
Slainenice shot :) mod perl just started after libgomp and depdencies installed16:10
Slaine :)16:10
+BartJoljippey16:10
Slaineeverything started spectre included.. let's test my brand new website now16:10
Slainework fine and smoothly :)16:11
+BartJolstrange, usefull installation instructions ;)16:12
Slainebrilant shot!16:12
+BartJolglad to be some help16:12
Slainewell, french people never read documentation... up to the end... we always want to play first, i admit :)16:12
+BartJolDutch people neither16:13
Slaineok, now i can reinstall everything from scratch .. with the latest beta release :)16:13
+BartJolsucces, but how about that translation? 16:13
+BartJolfrench is already up at 34.4%16:14
Slaineyes, i intent also to contribute to it, as soon as the basics of my site will work (ie: when i will have look at some assets localizations)16:15
+BartJolcool16:16
+BartJolI suppose you won't be attending at the WUc16:16
+BartJoloh, and I have posted some code for improving multilangual sites16:17
daviddelikatpreaction: 16:17
daviddelikatDON'T PUT THE NEW HELPDESK IN YET.16:17
Slaineoki doki (and no, i won't be at WUC)16:17
+BartJoltoo bad, it is fun16:18
+BartJolSlaine: have fun with your site16:18
Slaineyes, thanks very much for your time and insioght16:18
+BartJolno problem16:19
+BartJoldaviddelikat: not that I have influence on doug, but what's wrong?16:19
daviddelikatI just pulled down the new code for WG and now the helpdesk does not work...16:25
daviddelikatsomething in the AJAX data transfer16:26
+BartJolah16:26
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daviddelikati figured it out...  AJAX does not like WG debug messages...16:57
daviddelikatand I forgot to turn it off16:57
@Haargyou should set the mime type to application/json16:58
daviddelikatI've been messing with the mime type and sometimes it causes browsers to do bad things...16:59
@Haargor if there is a reason it needs to be set to html, there is a method on the log handler to prevent the debug from being output16:59
daviddelikatthats what I plan to do16:59
daviddelikatI have to look at dougs presentation to figure out what he added and make sure it is in my codebase...17:00
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daviddelikatHaarg: have you seen this? http://progit.org/17:13
@Haargyes17:13
daviddelikatis it a good resource?17:13
@Haargdefinitely17:13
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+perlmonkey2Anyone played Holder of Secrets off of the game crafter?18:05
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+perlDreamermorning, folks18:07
+perlDreamerHaarg: thanks again for the merged upgrade and package files18:07
+perlDreamerI can keep adding subs to the upgrade, but how do I make a new merged package file?18:08
@Haargis there any reason you would need to?18:08
+perlDreamerwell, I think that at least the Map (and likely the Carousel) will have new packages18:08
@Haargthose two files will bring it up to 7.7.17, and from there existing upgrade scripts should work fine18:09
+perlDreamerthe upgrade script had subs from 7.7.18 in it18:09
@Haarghrm18:09
+perlDreamerand I assumed (unsafely) that the merged package file had .18 packages, too18:09
@Haargi didn't intend to add those :)18:09
@Haargit probably does18:09
@Haargthat shouldn't be a problem though18:09
@Haargi would say just remove the .18 subs18:10
+perlDreamerit'll be easy to do, I labeled all the chunks of subs by version, to track down a sequencing issue18:10
@Haargin case it wasn't obvious, it has all the upgrade subs that were in 7.6.x releases stripped out18:11
+perlDreamerYeah, I did notice that18:11
+perlDreamerbut they were in alphabetical order, not revision order18:11
+BartJolhey dreamy boy, you didn't even give me the chance to fix that bug18:11
+perlDreamerOh Uber-Bier-Consumer, I gave you a whole 7 hours to volunteer to fix the bug18:12
+perlDreamerwould you like a new one to make up for it?18:12
+BartJolwell, if it is doable for me18:12
+BartJolin those 7 hours I was honing my beer drinking skills or sleeping18:13
+BartJolbut, I probably have heating and water in my new house by the end of next week, to get off topic18:13
+perlDreamerDo you want to take a crack at this: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/1079718:13
@Haargi was going to look at that18:14
+BartJolI don't wanna steel Haarg's bugs18:14
@Haargi wish i knew something about chinese and similar languages18:14
+perlDreamerhm....18:14
+perlDreamercharacter-wise, or lingually?18:15
@Haarglingually i guess18:15
+perlDreamerBartJol: how about the VIES retry bug, since Martin is on vacation?18:15
+perlDreamerdo you know how to write a workflow?18:15
+BartJolnot yet18:16
+BartJolI once looked at it18:16
+perlDreamerI can help you with that18:16
@Haarghttp://gist.github.com/17111418:16
+BartJolwell, that sounds doable18:16
@Haargi have no idea what that is trying to accomplish18:16
@Haargadditionally, it was written before we fixed our handling of utf8 stuff18:16
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+perlDreamerit does have \S in it18:17
+perlDreamergugod: ping18:17
+perlDreamerare you awake?18:17
+perlDreameryou know, I don't think it matters Haarg.18:20
+perlDreamerAll we need to do is make a fix, and then start pasting in different languages18:20
+perlDreamerand see if they show up in search results18:20
@Haargyes, but i don't know how searching for word segments should work18:21
@Haargcan you just paste some text in and see if it finds something?  i'd think so but the way that code works makes me wonder if there's something else to consider.18:21
+perlDreamerI'll try18:22
+perlDreamerI think all languages are space delimited18:22
+perlDreamerwell....18:22
+perlDreamerIt's \S18:23
+perlDreamernot \S+18:23
+perlDreamerthat implies single characters as "words"18:23
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+BartJolwell, dinner first, then coding18:24
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gugodperlDreamer: hi18:31
+perlDreamerby chance, do you speak chinese?18:31
gugodI do, actually18:32
gugodwhat can I do for you18:32
+perlDreamerApparently, our search engine has a custom tweak for indexing chinese18:32
+perlDreamerthe work was done by a volunteer a long time ago18:33
+perlDreamernow we need to modify the search engine to work better with UTF-818:33
+perlDreamerthe tweak is this regex: split /([A-z|\d]+|\S)/, $keywords18:33
+perlDreamercommented: split /([A-z|\d]+|\S)/, $keywords18:33
+perlDreamersorry, how about a paste instead, it will give more context18:34
+perlDreamerhttp://gist.github.com/17111418:34
gugodme nods18:34
gugodwhat's in $keywords18:35
gugodthe query string from user ?18:35
+perlDreamerno, it's the content entered into the CMS18:35
+perlDreamerit there a form of Chinese where each character is a "word", as implied in the regex?18:36
@Haarghttp://gist.github.com/171144 this is the routine that is done when you search18:38
+perlDreamerit almost sounds like we need to detect the language, and do different parsing based on how that language works18:39
+perlDreamerfor "latinate languages", do space delimited, and so on18:40
gugodperlDreamer: a "word" as in English word ? basically, yes. each chinese character has it's own meaning 18:40
gugodperlDreamer: sometimes two or more characters forms another new meaning18:40
+perlDreamergugod: like an adjective, or adverbial modifier18:41
+perlDreamerinteresting18:41
gugodit's more like a composition18:43
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gugodlike, the word for master, "??", is composed with "big" ? and "teacher" ?18:44
@Haargso it sounds like for those languages, we need to roughly treat each character as a word instead of space delimited18:45
+perlDreamerI see, it's more like a compound word in English18:45
+perlDreamerright, and the issues are, how do we find out the language that is entered, and where/how do we keep a list of how to parse them?18:46
gugodthe easiest approach is to use bi-gram of characters18:46
* perlDreamer will be back in a bit18:46
gugodregardless of their meanins18:46
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+perlDreamersorry for the abscence19:20
+perlDreamerI make it a point to always say "Yes" when my wife offers to buy coffee19:20
@Haargmy @words = grep { defined && $_ ne '' } split /\s+|(\p{Ideographic})/, $text;19:20
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+perlDreamervery slick19:21
+perlDreamerwhen the utf8 clause is hit, do the parens cause the delimiter to show up in the words?19:22
+perlDreamersince they capture?19:22
@Haargyes19:22
SquOnkDo you want to capture?19:22
@Haargso ideographic characters are all split into separate 'words' and everything else is white space delimited19:23
+perlDreamerthat is delightfully twisted19:24
+perlDreamerlet's comment it really well so we don't have to be here again in another 4 years19:24
@Haargwill do19:24
SquOnkAn Ideographic is a word, right?19:25
@Haargroughly, yes19:25
SquOnk...or any of the smileys, music note, squiggly thingies?19:25
@Haargif we wanted to do proper word segments there are things like Lingua::ZH::WordSegmenter but that's specific to a particular language19:26
gugodHaarg: you might want to have \p{IsPunct} besides \s in there19:26
+perlDreamerand it means adding new modules19:26
SquOnkYep, I was going to point that out19:26
SquOnk(the IsPunct thing)19:27
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@Haargcan you give me an example where that would be good?19:27
gugodtry "?? hello,?? world"19:27
@Haargi'm thinking that some cases like contractions it might cause problems19:27
SquOnklike, here, for instance19:28
gugodthat regex consider "hello," a segment19:28
SquOnkSo you end up having "like", "here", "for" and "instance"19:28
+perlDreamermaybe /\p{isPunct}?\s+|(\p{Ideographic}/ for a start?19:29
SquOnkYou'll need IsPunt minus quotes19:29
@Haarg/\p{isPunct}?(?:\s+|^|$)\p{isPunct}?|(\p{Ideographic})/ would probably work although it's getting rather ugly19:34
+perlDreamertest time?19:34
@Haargwell, i'm testing it on the command line19:34
@Haargbut it would be good to make a test for it once it's in place19:34
@Haarghttp://gist.github.com/17117919:36
@Haargit does work.  i'm just thinking it might be better to have it written differently19:37
+perlDreamerwill that split hyphenated words, and contractions?19:37
@Haargno19:38
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@Haarghttp://gist.github.com/171185 i think this is going to be a better way to go.19:43
+perlDreamerwhat about wrapping the regex inside of a while loop, so we only have to iterate over the words once?19:45
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+perlDreamerno19:46
+perlDreamersplit the words, then iterate over them just once19:46
+perlDreamerWhat I'm thinking about is people uploading large documents that will then be indexed19:47
+perlDreameron a separate topic, just because I haven't said it in a few days19:48
+perlDreamerI hate javascript19:48
+perlDreamerand it hates me back19:48
@Haargtrying to do that with a single loop would probably mean using map19:49
@Haargand it starts to get very ugly19:49
+perlDreamercould we through the defined and non-blank checks inside the loop?19:49
@Haargif i make it a map19:49
+perlDreamerit means more steps per loop, but still just 1 loop?19:49
+perlDreamerhttp://gist.github.com/17119419:52
+perlDreamermy day is all chopped up again, today19:56
+perlDreamerSo, after some Googling, it turns out that the Carousel is limited in how it calculates the "slot" width.19:56
+perlDreamerit requires items to be in the cache when that happens19:57
+perlDreamerI've seen that problem intermittently in the Story, for uploaded photos19:57
+perlDreamerthe solution recommended by the guy who made it is to assign a width to the first LI19:57
+perlDreamerFor a Story, that's perfect, it already has the width property, and photos are resized based on that width19:58
+perlDreamerbut for the Carousel wobject, it's a bit different19:58
+perlDreamerit can contain either text, or images19:58
+perlDreamertext will always render and flow correctly19:58
+perlDreamerbut images won't19:58
@Haarg[gknop@cuneus ~]$ perl unisplittest.pl 19:59
@Haarg       Rate  map push grep19:59
@Haargmap  2.62/s   --  -9% -30%19:59
@Haargpush 2.87/s  10%   -- -24%19:59
@Haarggrep 3.76/s  43%  31%   --19:59
+perlDreamerin that case, I'll stop worrying about speed20:00
@Haargthe difference between them gets larger for larger documents20:00
+perlDreamerI think the solutions are this:20:03
+perlDreamer1) I need to stop worrying about the speed of other people's code ;)20:03
+perlDreamer2) Add a panel width for the Carousel, and allow it to be 0, which would disable it for pure text.20:03
* perlDreamer runs to the gym, and will be back online before noon PDT.20:04
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+perlDreamerafternoon, folks21:54
+perlDreamerdaviddelikat1: ping?21:54
@HaargperlDreamer, so i implemented those search changes21:54
+perlDreamerawesome!21:54
@Haargand of course it doesn't work21:54
+perlDreamerwhat?21:55
@Haargi can't get mysql to match chinese characters at all21:55
@preactionperlDreamer: map bugs are fixed now21:55
+perlDreamerthank you, preaction!21:55
+perlDreamerextra cookies for you at the WUC21:55
+perlDreamerunless you're on a diet21:55
@preactioni am :(21:55
+perlDreamerin which case, you can have extra burpees21:55
+perlDreamerHaarg, is it possible that it NEVER matched Chinese characters?21:56
@Haargi have not tested whether it was working prior to my changes21:56
@Haargbut i would assume it worked at some point21:56
+perlDreamerhow about if I write a test to check it?21:56
+perlDreamerI can index first 1, then 2 characters, and see if they are inserted correctly, and then searched and returned correctly21:57
+perlDreamerrelease will be later tonight anyway21:57
@Haarghttp://gist.github.com/17126521:58
@Haargthe corrupted characters are correct client site, gist is just not handling them correctly21:58
+perlDreamersure, I noticed that in the last gist21:58
+perlDreamerthat would imply that fulltext search has never worked21:59
@Haargi don't know21:59
@Haargi'll test it without my patch21:59
+perlDreamerhttp://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/fulltext-search.html21:59
+perlDreamersearch for utf-8 on that page21:59
@Haargshit22:00
+perlDreamer"it needed to set ft_min_word_len =1"22:00
+perlDreamermaybe the stop words list would help us bridge that?22:01
CIA-53webgui: Doug Bell master * ra0d3eea / (7 files in 5 dirs): fixed 10640, 10639, 10625: Map point save HTML/JS - http://bit.ly/18NWTR22:02
@Haarghttp://gist.github.com/171274 http://gist.github.com/17127522:05
@Haargneeds a comment, but that works22:06
@Haargadds padding to ideographic characters so they are indexed22:06
+perlDreamerthe -124 gist is our favorite _filterKeywords, where is -125 from?22:07
@HaargWebGUI::Search::search22:07
+perlDreamerwhat is ft_min_word_len on the WRE? 3?22:08
@Haargi think so22:08
+perlDreamersites will need to be reindexed after this change22:08
@Haargyes22:08
@Haargwhich isn't wonderful, but i'm not sure what other option there is22:09
+perlDreamerno, I'm just thinking out loud22:09
@Haargfor an english site it would continue working mostly without reindexing22:09
@Haargfor anything not ascii though the old index is broken22:10
+perlDreameryes22:10
+perlDreamerwe could ask WebGUI if there are language packs other than English installed22:10
+perlDreamerand only reindex if there are22:10
+perlDreamerthat could be an indicator of non-English contnet22:11
@Haargit might work best as a gotcha22:11
@Haargthis change won't break anything22:11
@Haargit just allows it to be fixed22:11
+perlDreameryes22:11
+perlDreamerI'm going to start busting through Kristi's latest bugset and i18n22:12
@preactionword22:12
@Haargdo you see anything wrong with those changes then?22:13
@preactioni think i counted like 10 webgui bugs left, including kristi's, so we're getting close22:13
+perlDreamer10?22:13
+perlDreamerincluding Kristi's22:14
+perlDreamerlet's close them, then re-evaluate the list22:14
+perlDreamerBartJol: i18n changes coming your way22:17
+BartJolok22:17
+BartJolthat workflow isn't going smoothly yet22:17
+perlDreamerI can help after I close 3 bugs22:18
+BartJolthat would be great22:18
+perlDreamerI would recommend dropping the workflow part for now, and just writing a script that will do the same job22:18
+perlDreamerwe can add the workflow code to it later22:18
+BartJolwell, the script can  be done in 2 ways, but just keep your attention to those other bugs22:19
+BartJolI can wait22:19
+BartJolbetter said, the script exists already22:20
+BartJolbut I'll wait22:20
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * radd3b32 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix typos in TaxDriver_EU i18n. Fixes #10798. - http://bit.ly/2qiMiH22:22
@preactionokay, so i guess instead of TGC bugs, which Tom has a handle on, I'm gonna fix the EditArea22:30
+perlDreamerThe EditArea is broken?22:31
+perlDreamer:)22:31
@preactionfor how many issues it has, its last release is Apr 25.22:31
@preactionfork it, i'll make a github22:32
@preactionshould i call it editareaplus to be a dick?22:32
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra5204a7 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix i18n typos in the Ogone payment driver. Fix bugs 10800 and 10799. - http://bit.ly/6wGG622:32
CIA-53webgui: Graham Knop master * r4984e19 / (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed #10797: Unable to search for non-ASCII text - http://bit.ly/2fZxY522:32
CIA-53webgui: Graham Knop master * rac9be28 / (lib/WebGUI/Macro.pm t/Macro.t): add a few additional macro tests - http://bit.ly/BaLtK22:32
+perlDreamerthat might be better than saying "working" or "functional" or "NotMessedUp"22:34
+perlDreamerhow about WgEditArea?22:34
@Haargwhat problems are you going to fix?22:34
@preactionno, it's not webgui-specific22:34
@preactionmainly the loading problems22:35
@Haargbecause it has a number of them22:35
@preactionthe ones that make it unusable. the ones that made us disable it by default22:35
@Haargit's pretty much completely broken in firefox 3.522:35
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@preactionit's completely broken now in Safari too, huge issues, completely useless22:35
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@Haargat least we don't have to deal with its shitty resizing anymore22:37
@Haargwhich was one of the more annoying things about it when it did work22:37
@preactionshould I just go ahead and integrate the YUI resize into this?22:38
@Haargmaybe.  depends on if you are going to make it depend yui.22:39
@Haargdepend on22:39
@preactionI can't think of anything wrong with making it depend on YUI. but maybe there's something already like this22:40
@Haargwe don't need it to be integrated for our use though22:40
@Haargi looked around22:40
+perlDreamerwould it be easier to add syntax highlighting to simpleEditor?22:40
+perlDreameror, do downstream revs already have that?22:40
@Haargthere was a thing on davglass that was an early start on a code area22:40
@Haargbut very incomplete22:40
+perlmonkey2there has to be a way to get GWT mini projects into WebGUI.  Writing and maintaining javascript is vastly superior.  And using the GWT doesnt' require *any* additional libraries and all current YUI libs can still be used as is.  The only requirement is devs need GWT dev envrinments.22:41
+perlmonkey2Like writing projects in assemble vs writing them in C++.22:41
@Haarghttp://blog.davglass.com/files/yui/codeeditor/22:42
SDuensinWha?  GWT?  :-)22:43
@preactionheh, wonder if it would be easier/faster to just finish implementing this one22:44
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+perlDreamerit'd be nicer to have fewer outside dependencies22:44
@Haargit might be22:44
+perlDreameronly YUI, or only GWT, or whatever22:44
SDuensinI *REALLY* want to build a "Visual Basic" like tool into WebGUI.  GWT would make it pretty easy, but you get no free layout tools.22:44
SDuensinThere's also the crazy Tibco GI thing - you get an editor with that.22:45
@Haargyui is about our only outside dependancy22:45
@Haargtinymce as well but we're planning to get rid of that when we can22:45
+perlmonkey2gwt isn't an outside dependency.  There are no gwt libs.  Your source files contain everything.22:45
* SDuensin REALLY wants a visual designer for YUI.22:47
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: does GWT have a custom API?22:50
+perlDreameryou know what JS newbie I am, so I'm sorry for the pedantic questions22:50
SDuensinperlDreamer - GWT is odd...22:51
SDuensinYou code in Java and it compiles it to JS.22:51
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: You don't write JS code with the GWT.  you use a higher level language that is compiled to JS.22:51
+perlmonkey2Like writing C++ to create asm.22:51
SDuensinYea22:51
+perlmonkey2which is part of the charm.  A lot of the difficult stuff is abstracted away.22:52
SDuensinI really like GWT.22:53
+perlmonkey2Like the Google devs who wrote Wave said it was impossible to have done in JS, even though it is a JS app.  Without the abstraction of GWT, they'd still be debugging and running in circles.22:53
SDuensinI figured none of the WebGUI people would since it's Java.  :-P22:53
SDuensinWave?22:53
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, maybe it made it easier to write Wave, but it's never impossible22:54
+perlmonkey2I was hesitant to even look at it for a long time because it seemed tightly coupled to Google APP Engine which I didn't ever dig.  But it is its own unique super toy :D22:54
+perlDreamerthere are a couple of guys who have built a whole OS writing it in assembly22:54
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: hah, yeah, like writing emacs in asm isn't impossible.22:54
+perlDreamernutso perhaps, but not impossible ;)22:54
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: yes, that very famous feature complete and timely written OS we all know about today :P22:54
SDuensinWhat's Wave?22:54
+perlmonkey2SDuensin: no google toy.  Nice video and you might be able to get into the demo app22:55
+perlDreamerWave is a new paradigm for conversations online22:55
+perlDreamerif you could embed comments and fork an email, that's kind of like Wave22:55
+perlmonkey2SDuensin: basically waves allow async communication between servers and other waves.  fully open source22:55
+perlmonkey2Two people editing a doc in real time was just nuts.  As each edited, the others edits appeared on each others screens.22:56
SDuensinI'll have to watch the vid when I have time.22:56
+perlmonkey2since things happen in real time emails will no longer exist, just ongoing conversations.22:56
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+perlmonkey2although you can turn off the real time stuff if you need to edit and compose.22:56
SDuensinGood.  Email is a pain.22:57
+perlmonkey2yeah, I vastly prefer IM, IRC, text mesasges.22:57
SDuensinMe too.22:57
+perlmonkey2But just about anything is supposed to be embeddable in a wave.  22:57
+perlmonkey2so you can put multiple web pages in a wave you're looking at.22:58
SDuensinEmail servers are a hacked together pile of spam fighting junk.22:58
+perlmonkey2hah, exactly22:58
SDuensinI just built one.  Set *ONE* option wrong and had 30k spams overnight.22:59
@preactionset in wrong the other way and you'll get blacklisted ;)22:59
SDuensinhehehe22:59
* SDuensin fixed it22:59
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@preactionfor the syntax editor, all we really really want is something that WORKS and has syntax highlighting, right?23:05
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+perlDreamerand, really, syntax highlighting for JS, CSS, and HTML23:05
+perlDreameranything beyond that is extra23:05
@Haargi would prioritize working above any features23:05
@preactionso if I turn the one at davglass into pluggable highlighting and add highlighting for that stuff, I can put it in and we're done23:06
@preactionthe one at davglass seems working just fine23:06
@preactioni want: fullscreen and turning the highlighting pluggable23:06
+perlDreamerfullscreen?23:06
+perlDreamermaybe we better define a feature set?23:06
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+perlDreamerresizing, works on IE6, IE7, IE8?, FF 3.0.x, FF3.5, Safari?23:07
@preactionokay, what are the most annoying things about having to edit templates in WebGUI?23:07
+perlDreamerI can't use vim to do it23:07
+perlDreamersorry, I need to stop being a smartass23:07
+perlDreamerthe screen is often too skinny23:07
@preactionno, file import was a planned feature add for the code editor23:07
@preactionimport/export23:08
+BartJol vim = vi for meisjes23:08
@preactionthat's why i'm thinking fullscreen would be better than just resizable23:08
+perlDreamerI think people have come to expect resizing on anything that looks like a textarea, though23:08
+perlDreamerthat was the gist of the original resizing bug23:09
@preactionbut really, once I have "works" and syntax for HTML, JS, CSS, and SQL, it's going in23:09
@preactionoh, and resizing23:09
@Haargfull screen would be nice, but that could come later.  i wouldn't count it as a requirement.23:09
@preactionresizing will be in, but fullscreen will be different (it will float above the page, so it can be bigger than the page)23:09
@preactionyeah, Works, Syntax (JS, HTML, CSS, SQL), and Resize and it's going in. that's it23:09
@Haargin webgui 8 fullscreen would be less needed23:09
+perlDreamerwhy?23:10
@preactionnew admin console23:10
@preactionbut we'll talk about that at the WUC23:10
+perlDreamerokay23:10
@Haargtab->space conversion and auto-indenting23:11
@Haargauto-indent being more important23:11
@Haargthe thing on davglass already has tab->space conversion23:11
TrexJust to throw in my two cents -- when I'm doing serious template development, I usually copy the code back and forth between WebGUI and Dreamweaver, especially if I'm copying code from one template to another.23:13
Trex...but now that I seem to have stopped all conversation, perhaps I can butt in with a question about Apache2::Reload?23:15
TrexI've got a VM set up with the dev site running, and everything seems to be working with regard to WebGUI itself, but perhaps I don't understand how Apache2::Reload is supposed to work...23:17
@Haargare there any changes that could be made to the code editor to make it more useful for you though?23:17
@preactiontab->space conversion should be syntax-aware, no? HTML, CSS, and JS should get tabs. SQL should get spaces23:17
+perlDreamerno, no tabs23:17
@Haargwhy tabs in html/css/js?23:17
+perlDreamertabs are bad23:17
@preactionthey should get tabs because \t is one character, "    " is 4 characters23:18
@Haargso?23:18
TrexI go into the API and edit something small just to see if it appears on the site without reloading modperl, and nothing. I still have to restart modperl in order to see the changes take place.23:18
+perlDreamerthat's why we have packed templates?23:18
@preactionworse, "        " is 8 characters23:18
@Haargyou already have packing23:18
@preactionthat we don't use23:18
@Haargwhat places are you changing trex?23:18
@preactionokay, we should be using packing, conceded23:18
@Haargand how do you have Apache2::Reload configured?23:18
@Haargi don't think the three extra characters are going to make a difference compared to the other problems we have with white space in templates23:20
TrexHaarg, to answer your second question first, I set up the WRE on the VM using the web-based configuration utility, and selected "yes" for the "do you want to set up a development environment" question.23:20
@Haargi don't remember if that actually enables apache2::reload though23:21
TrexI haven't seen any documentation that says you need to do anything else to enable it.23:21
TrexWhat should I expect to get with the "do you want to set up a development environment" option? I assumed something more than just a demo site called "dev".23:22
@Haargis there documentation that says it does enable it?23:22
TrexThe WebGUI Administrator's Guide book does. ...23:23
Trexp. 1523:23
TrexOn the WRE for Developers wiki page: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wre-for-developers it says "Note that Apache2::Reload is no longer enabled in WRE version 0.8.3"23:24
Trex...but I presumed that meant in the standard WRE setup. If you don't get it enabled when you select to set up a dev environment, what is the point of the dev environment?23:24
@preactionwe're removing the dev environment option completely in a future version, because there is no point23:24
@Haargthe primary thing it does aside from creating the site is adjusting the process limits for apache23:25
@Haargso it starts less forked processes23:25
TrexSo I guess my next question is this: if what I want is to set up a development environment in which I don't have to restart modperl to test every change I make, what should I do?23:25
@preactionenable Apache2::Reload23:26
@preactionperldoc Apache2::Reload tells you what to do. the file you want is /data/wre/etc/mysite.modperl23:26
TrexIt would appear that Apache2::Reload doesn't come with the WRE installation? I would need to get that from CPAN?23:28
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@Haargyes23:30
TrexHmmm... the command should just be "cpan> install Apache2::Reload", no?23:36
@Haargyes23:36
TrexThat's giving me: Fetching with LWP:23:37
Trex  ftp://ftp.perl.org/pub/CPAN/authors/01mailrc.txt.gz23:37
Trex...and just seems to hang there.23:37
@preactiongive it time23:39
TrexOK... LWP finally failed (code 400) and it's trying Net::FTP. Is this not uncommon with CPAN?23:40
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@preactionit happens. you might want to choose more / different mirrors23:42
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r278e4c6 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Pay.pm): 23:42
CIA-53webgui: Log any errors found when calling Shop::Pay->getDrivers, instead of23:42
CIA-53webgui: silently passing them along.23:42
@Haargyou might have better luck with an http mirror23:43
@Haargtry "o conf urllist http://www.cpan.org/"23:44
TrexOK, thanks. I finally got the module and seems to have installed.23:45
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TrexIt was easy enough to download the module from the CPAN website -- is there an install-from-local-copy option on the command line? I couldn't find anything in the perldoc for cpan that seemed to indicate this was an option.23:46
@Haargafter extracting it, change to its directory23:46
@Haargand you can run cpan .23:46
@Haargor the normal Makefile.PL/Build.PL procedure23:47
+perlDreamerI guess I need a double check on this23:48
+perlDreamerwhen adding a new property to an asset23:48
+perlDreameryou put it in the definition sub with a defaultValue23:49
+perlDreameryou add the column to the database23:49
+perlDreamerand when you instanciate the asset next, the value of the property is NULL?23:49
@Haargyes23:49
+perlDreamerso proper procedure should be, add it to the definition sub, add a column to the db, update all revisions of existing assets.23:50
@Haargyes23:51
TrexThanks, Haarg and preaction. Now to see if I can get the modperl conf file properly configured...23:52
+perlDreamerTrex, if you find it hard to do, you can always make a wiki page for it for the next guy23:52
TrexWill do, but first I need to actually get it working enough that I'd want to send others down this path.23:53
TrexSuccess!23:55
+perlDreamerEMS fixed, on to the Carousel23:57
TrexNow to see if I can replicate the process on one of the standard WebGUI VM machines, and then write something up for the wiki.23:57
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TrexOooh. There's a 7.6.20 VM out. Nice.00:00
+perlDreamerhttp://gist.github.com/17136900:00
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbd0d7c0 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Update existing EMS'es with a default schedule template. Fix for #10804 - http://bit.ly/9nlqh00:02
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+perlDreamerBartJol: are you still awake?00:10
+BartJolI am00:14
+perlDreamerwant to talk VIES workflow?00:14
+BartJolyeah00:14
+perlDreamerwhy don't you let me know what you've done, and what problems you're having00:15
+BartJolit has to get triggerd only when vies is unavailable00:15
+BartJolwell, actually I haven't been in code cracking mood that much00:15
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+BartJolbut I was mostly thinking whether I should call addVATNumber with the workflow00:16
+BartJolor the Business::TAX::VAT::validate method00:16
+BartJoland update the database00:17
+BartJoland whether someone has to get notified00:17
+BartJolor a timeout is needed00:17
+BartJolso actually it is more a design issue00:18
+BartJoland what we want to make00:18
+perlDreamerit sounds like we need to add a Workflow trigger to addVATNumber00:19
+BartJolI made a beginning of that00:19
+perlDreamerwow, it sounds like you made a lot of progress on this00:20
+perlDreamerIf VIES is supposed to be up all the time, we don't need to worry about a maximum number of retries00:21
+perlDreamerspectre will do that for us automatically00:21
+BartJolhttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m255314db00:22
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+perlDreamerthe retry timeout should be "a while", several minutes to an hour or longer00:22
+perlDreamernot within seconds, since VIES may experience downtime, or the internet connection to VIES could be down00:22
+perlDreamermaybe it does need a max retry.  Try 5 times, and if it doesn't work after 5 tries, then send an email?00:23
+BartJolyeah, I thought something like that, but it depends on how water-tight it has to be00:23
+BartJolthat sounds ok, but since it can be used in between, then you should also have a policy for disabling or not00:24
+BartJolI suppose not00:25
+perlDreamerfor your paste, you have to create the workflow first, then create an instance of that workflow and run it.00:25
+BartJolthat is up to the users00:25
+BartJolI copied it from Operation/User.pm00:27
+perlDreameryeah, that's a good place to start00:27
+perlDreamerit really looks like you've done a good job so far00:27
+BartJolat least I spend time thinking00:28
+BartJolbut the problem is that when I call this method from the workflow, it retries to write data to the database00:29
+BartJolso that won't work00:29
+BartJolor EU.pm needs a new sub00:30
+perlDreamerto validate through VIES, it's just a few lines of code, it looks like.00:31
+perlDreameryou could just make a new sub out of that, and both addVATNumber and the workflow can call it to check it00:31
+BartJolsame as EU.pm00:31
+BartJolsub updateVAT00:32
+perlDreamerline 16300:33
+perlDreamerof EU.pm00:33
+perlDreamerto do a local_check, or a check00:33
+BartJolyes00:33
+BartJoland I just have to read more on calling workflow instances00:34
+BartJoloh, I couldn't find how to get a activity Id00:34
+BartJolis there some doc on that?00:34
+perlDreamerdo you mean a workflowId?00:35
+BartJoloh, yes, sorry00:35
+BartJolI did enter it in the db00:35
+BartJolconf I mean00:35
+perlDreamermost of the time, you set the workflowId when you build the workflow in the upgrade subroutine00:35
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+BartJolpulled to hard at my cat 5 cable00:36
+perlDreamerhttp://gist.github.com/17140600:37
+BartJolah00:37
+BartJolok00:37
+perlDreamerfor your workflow, the mode should not be singleton, as it may need to revalidate several numbers00:37
+perlDreameralternately, you can make it go through the db and try to revalidate all numbers, in which case singleton would be better.00:38
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+BartJolwell, I'd rather call it just once for that VAT number00:39
+perlDreamerin that case, parallel mode is the right one00:39
+BartJolok00:39
+perlDreamerbut you'll also need to pass the activity the number to revalidate00:39
+BartJolso I also have to make an upgrade script00:40
+BartJolyes00:40
+perlDreameryes, you'll need to make an upgrade script to create the workflow00:40
+BartJolwell, I won't make that for 7.7.1800:40
+perlDreamerno, and that's fine.00:40
+perlDreamerthere are still open bugs that need to be closed00:40
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+perlDreamerand the next release will be in two weeks...00:41
+BartJolWebGUI still works without validating VAT numbers00:41
+perlDreamerunless we can close it sooner00:41
+BartJolah, just before the wuc00:41
+perlDreamersooner would be better00:42
+BartJolsure00:42
* perlDreamer is going to take short break, and have some lunch00:43
+BartJolwell, I am off for tonight, bon appetit00:43
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@preactionhm... why don't we have a WebGUI::Form::Gravatar yet?00:58
@Haargbecause you haven't written it yet00:59
@preactionokay. sounds like a nice little 2 hour project00:59
@preactiongotta have a way to get the user's "avatar" too, an API that places can use01:00
@preactionbut that can be second01:00
TrexThanks again for the help, folks. I've just confirmed the process on an out-of-the-box WebGUI VM, so a wiki page shouldn't be too much work.01:16
TrexHowever, it's time to head home for the day. Adios.01:16
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+perlDreamercrud01:35
+perlDreamerpreaction: were you going to commit the fix for blank paydrivers?01:36
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5ef030d / (6 files in 6 dirs): 02:21
CIA-53webgui: Give the Carousel a minimum width, and expose it as a template variable to help02:21
CIA-53webgui: YUI Carousel with rendering. Adjust default template, Help, i18n.02:21
CIA-53webgui: Fixes bug #10511. - http://bit.ly/1XnFjU02:21
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+perlDreamerhowdy, patspam!02:30
+perlDreamerthanks for the Carousel tip02:30
+patspamdid that lick it?02:31
+perlDreamerit was half of it02:31
+patspamgreat02:31
+perlDreamerapparently the Carousel needs a width on the first <LI> to render correctly02:31
+perlDreamerthen I added a overflow:auto to provide scrollbars for anything wider than that02:32
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SlaineHi guys...02:54
+perlDreamerHowdy, Slaine02:54
SlainePerlDSreamer: sorry for the funny ticket yesterday :)02:54
+perlDreamerno problem :)02:55
Slainenow I have a smooth running 7.7 reunning02:55
+perlDreamerawesome.02:55
SlaineI took some time to play with some assets. I assume there's still some implementations to make on the google map, roght?02:56
+perlDreameryes, there were several bugs fixed in the Map today02:56
Slaine(aka displaying field labels of the map point in interactive edit mode, and the like)..02:57
+perlDreameryou might want to check the bug board (http://www.webgui.org/bugs) for which ones were fixed, exactly02:57
Slainealso, I would like to know if you intent to make it possible to include a "search" feature.. like (just an example) i have implemented all the AT&T point of sales as map point entries, and i want to let the users doing a query with city name, so it displays the city with all the map points into it.02:59
SlaineEven better, I would like to make the user say: show me all the garages that are 20 miles from the city I live in.03:00
+perlDreamerI  haven't heard of anything like that.  If it's something you'd like to see added, you should submit an RFE for it (http://www.webgui.org/rfe)03:00
+perlDreameralso, if you know how to code, feel free to implement it, and then attach a patch to the RFE.  It usually helps the RFE get put into the core more quickly.  If the RFE is approved.03:01
Slaineoki.. just for your info, look at this site (not webgui and in french, but still self explanatory): just type NICE in the textbox (it's a town in france)...03:02
+perlDreamerI've heard of Nice03:02
Slainehttp://www.allogarage.fr/03:02
+perlDreamerthat's very handy03:03
SlaineI assume the guy just did it in JS from scratch03:04
Slaineusers can even "evaluate" the garage (like you do in amazon.com)03:04
Slainea map point is based on a template, right? so if we want to add/modify one the field purposes of a map point, we just have to create our own "map point template. am i correct?03:06
+perlDreamerto be honest, I'm not that familiar with the Map Wobject.03:06
Slaineoki was just thinking there may be some key features I hope the dev team isn't missing :)03:07
+perlDreamerThe MapPoint has a series of 5 userDefined fields that can be used for different purposes03:08
+perlDreamerso yes, I think that a custom template would work.03:08
+perlDreamernow, whether those userDefined fields are exposed to be used when adding a point, that is a different question03:08
@preactionthe Map asset is bare-bones right now, I admit that (as the developer). it filled the client's needs, but there is lots lots that can be done with the API we're not doing03:09
Slaineok thanks. so it may be worth to make a feature request? or is the roadmap for 7.7 frozen already?03:11
@preactionmake the RFE, we're always looking for ideas03:11
@preaction7.7 is frozen, but the next beta branch happens as soon as 7.7 goes stable (which should be 7.7.19)03:11
Slaineoki doki03:12
+perlDreamer7.7 has been frozen for several months. I would make a feature request for it, anyway, since development of the next version will begin soon03:13
+perlDreamerspeaking of 7.7.19-1, preaction: any pending commits?03:13
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@preactionthat shouldn't be an issue, provided the module loads03:19
+perlDreamerI'll add it to testEnvironment.pl, and close out the bug, then.03:19
+perlDreamerand then I'll start the release03:19
@preactionsounds good03:19
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rca7ca66 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt sbin/testEnvironment.pl): Document that Readonly is a required module. Fixes bug #1080103:41
Slaineoki my rfe is posted. hope it's clear enough :)03:47
Slainetime for bed now. Cheers all03:53
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+perlmonkey2hmm, so there is no point in rewriting any of the wobbly parts of survey with gwt since they won't be allowed into the project, is there?04:49
+perlDreamerunless they fix a bug, nothing else should be going into WebGUI right now04:50
+perlmonkey2even on a beta wobject?04:51
+perlDreamerThere's only 1 posted bug about the Survey, the IE6 rendering issue04:52
+perlmonkey2I thought preaction said it worked with all IEs and FF?04:52
+perlDreamerpreaction: ping04:53
+perlDreamerawake, oh multi-browser tester04:53
@preactionsup04:53
+perlDreamerWhat's the status on the IE6 Survey Edit bug?04:53
@preactionlet me check04:53
+perlDreamerit's still open on the board04:53
@preactionyeah, i mean i'm going to check IE6 to see if it works04:54
+perlDreamergotcha04:54
+perlmonkey2I hate how YUI does that.  such a fudge.04:54
+perlmonkey2should drop the YUI panel for a hand rolled one.04:54
+perlmonkey2but that would require gumption I seem to be lacking.04:54
+perlDreamerAs flow the gumptionless in an hourglass, these are the Days of Our Lives05:01
@preactionstill seems broken: Line 57, Char 9, document.getElementById(...) is null or not an object05:07
+perlDreamerthat's IE6 on XP?05:07
@preactionyes05:07
+perlDreamerdown to 1 failing test, the search index one05:08
+perlDreamersearch seems to be working okay without it05:08
+perlDreamerbut the change worries me05:08
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r929e99c / t/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.t : 05:11
CIA-53webgui: requestAutoCommit forks a workflow to commit, use skipAutoCommitWorkflow and05:11
CIA-53webgui: commit it now, manually. - http://bit.ly/1hCwtF05:11
+perlDreamermaybe all the quotes are superfluous?05:15
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+perlmonkey2If you yell at me tomorrow I'll fix it.  Or if I remember I'll fix it.06:01
* perlDreamer tries not to yell, but if you insist06:13
+perlmonkey2On that note I'm hitting the hay.06:15
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+perlDreamergood night, perlmonkey206:16
@preactionperlDreamer: http://www.diylife.com/2009/07/27/how-to-make-kettle-corn/ <- your kids will LOVE it (i think)06:35
+perlDreamerprobably, but due to braces, they can't eat it :(06:35
@preactionomg no!06:35
@preactionsecret: I still wear a bottom retainer, and i eat it ;)06:36
@preactionbut yeah, i get it06:36
@preactionbrownies it is then06:36
+perlDreamerHere's the No-list: Corn chips and tortillas, gummy anything, including gum, hard candy, licorice, bagels, breadsticks, pizza crust, pretzels, nuts06:36
+perlDreamerwow!  that's pretty easy06:37
@preactionyep, anything hard or sticky06:37
+perlDreamerhow goes the diet?06:37
@preactioni used to have braces myself06:37
+perlDreameryou're awfully skinny to need a diet, btw06:37
@preactioni weighed 220 lbs06:37
@preactionmy BMI is like 27.206:37
@preactionmy ideal weight is more near 18006:37
@preactioni just carry my weight well, i think. nobody believes me when i tell them how much i actually weigh06:38
+perlDreameryeah, and carrying a scale around is not too fashion savvy, so what are you to do?06:38
@preactionlose weight?06:39
+perlDreamerI've read too many Garfield comic strips to diet easily06:39
+perlDreamerDiet is Die, with a T06:39
+perlDreamerDiet is self-denial, and I'm such a nice guy I can't deny myself anything06:40
+perlDreamerHow many skinny people can you put in a shower?06:40
+perlDreamerI don't know either, they keep slipping down the drain06:40
+perlDreamerit's going to be a late night06:45
@preactionupgrade not going well?06:46
+perlDreamerhasn't started yet06:50
+perlDreamerjust got tests to pass on the source install06:50
+perlDreameras of today, we have 15 kTests06:50
+perlDreamerof course, several thousand of those are automated i18n help tests, and template i18n checks, and so on06:52
+perlDreamerso the number is slightly inflated06:52
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4e3fd9e / t/Search/Index.t : Update test to follow new style of adding words to search index. - http://bit.ly/7n1vr07:21
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0390d77 / t/Mail/Send.t : Update number of tests to skip when the correct modules aren't present. - http://bit.ly/130zgq07:31
+perlDreamerfinally07:33
+perlDreamerstarting upgrade07:33
+perlDreamerbtw, for those of you in the studio audience, many of the tests fail when sslEnabled is set in the config file07:33
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r232df69 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.7.18 release. - http://bit.ly/nOaby07:42
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+perlDreamerupgrade done, doing marketing08:11
+perlDreamermarketing is done08:16
+perlDreamerlet's stablize this thing!08:16
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r91b37aa / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.7.19 development. - http://bit.ly/HMP3708:22
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Socrateswho can i thank for the new webgui website layout, this is a lot better than the previous website09:12
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+bartjolplainhao: do you an idea where I have to start to trace the problem that I can't run Operations when not connected to the internet13:39
@plainhaooh, i don't have an idea off the top of my head13:48
@plainhaopersonally, i'd search through the code first13:48
@plainhaoscan the modules being used13:48
+bartjolI want to be independent of internet connection during my prsentation13:49
@plainhaok, understood13:49
@plainhaousing mac?13:49
+bartjolubuntu13:49
@plainhaoah, k13:49
+bartjolthe rest works fine, only operations give an error13:50
@plainhaonot sure, i'd have to dig around, i've never encountered any net connection dependencies, though13:50
@plainhaowhen's your presentation?13:50
+bartjolfriday13:50
+bartjollate afternoon13:51
@plainhaotoday?13:51
+bartjolno, during the wuc13:51
@plainhaoah, k13:51
+bartjolso I have some time left13:51
@plainhaoi'll ask our guys and i'll take a look when i have a min13:51
+bartjolbut I want it fixed, since a contentHandler is part of my presentation13:51
+bartjolcool13:51
@plainhaokhenn says to report it on the bugs list :)13:54
@plainhaoi'll try to take a look sometime today13:54
+bartjolwell, it might be a conf problem on my side13:54
@plainhaoat least you'll have more eyes on the problem if you post it13:54
+bartjolbut I'll rep[ort a bug13:55
@plainhaocool13:55
+bartjolfirst I am gonna check without my own contentHandler13:58
+bartjolnow the problem is gone...14:00
+bartjolso it is my own code14:00
+bartjolI am waiting with the bug report, it seems to have something to do with my own code14:03
+bartjolplainhao: so don't dive into it yet14:05
@plainhaok14:05
+bartjolmmm, strange problem though, some pages work fine, others allow one op and then firefox complains that it is working offline and can't browse the web, while the same template is used14:22
+bartjolbut it is a bug in my code at most as far as I see right now14:23
+bartjolmore reproducing gives me the same error again14:35
+bartjolwith own code diabled14:35
+bartjolplainhao: it seems to be ff-ubutu combination related14:54
+bartjolkonqueror works fine offline14:54
@plainhaoah, k14:55
+bartjolproblem seems to be solved in ff 3.5.215:13
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jdanplHi WebGUI gurus16:07
jdanplI think about auto refresh modules in Apache Mod Perl. I use wre-0.9.3 in my production and developeing work. Unfortunatelly in the last WRE there is no Apache2::Reload module. But there is POD file. The question is What now is the best solution for autoreloading changed modules?16:08
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+perlmonkey2Are github gists little nuggets of info you want to record somewhere?17:20
+perlmonkey2patspam: you around?  17:21
+perlmonkey2patspam: I'm going to drive a stake into the ie6 bug on the survey design page today, but it will me a large redesign of the html/js.  That shouldn't impact your custom templates, should it?17:22
+perlmonkey2s/will me/ will mean/17:22
@Haarggist is mostly just another nopaste/pastebin service17:26
@Haargexcept you can fork existing gists and it will show the relationships17:26
@Haargand they are linked to a user so you can edit them after the fact/delete them17:26
+perlmonkey2hmm, interesting17:29
@Haargand if you don't already have App::Nopaste i highly recommend it17:31
+perlmonkey2hmm, okay I'll grab it.17:33
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ckotilwill the WRE's apache know what to do with this? $ENV{'REMOTE_USER'};17:49
ckotilthe remote user environment variable.17:49
@Haargthe wre's apache is just like any other apache17:49
ckotilhrmm, then i wonder why my custom auth module is unable to grab the remote user from the environemnt variable.17:53
ckotilim tryin migrate to the wre.17:53
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ckotilhrm, there just isn't a remote_user variable, i just dumped the %ENV hash18:04
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SquOnkGreetings18:05
jdanplIt's probably only in modproxy. Not in modperl18:05
ckotilcould be. and i thought I had my SSO working with the wre, but it turns out i dont. so first i need to figure that out.18:09
jdanplThe problem is that not all ENV variables are the same in modperl where WebGUI works. modproxy is mediator18:09
ckotilphew. got the SSO part working, by adding this before the proxy rewrite rule 'RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/cosign/valid'18:18
ckotilbut now im at hte problem again of getting the remote_user to mod_perl18:18
ckotilgonna try adding a header.18:23
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@Haargmorning perlDreamer18:26
+perlDreamermorning, Haarg18:31
+perlDreamerI'm hating that foreign character thing right now18:31
+perlDreameroh, before I forget, 2 questions for you18:31
+perlDreamer1) quotes in search keywords are optional?18:31
+perlDreamer2) How do I check the contents of merged.pkg to make sure there aren't .18 packages in there?18:31
@Haargfor 2, there probably are18:32
@Haargbut it won't matter18:32
@Haargthe only easy way to make sure would be for me to reconstruct it18:32
@Haargwhich i can do relatively easily18:32
+perlDreamerhow do you do it?18:33
@Haargbut there wouldn't be much point18:33
@Haargextracted the wgpkg files and combined them in a specific way18:33
@Haargmade some simple scripts to do so18:33
@Haargas for 1, optional how?18:36
@Haargif there are quotes it will do the search differently18:36
@Haargwhat part of the foreign character thing do you hate?18:37
+perlDreamert/Search/Index.t was failing last night18:37
@Haargah18:37
+perlDreamerit checks that data was inserted correctly into the db18:37
@Haargsorry about that18:37
+perlDreamernot worried about it18:38
+perlDreamerwe do enough of that back and forth between us18:38
@Haargi should have checked/fixed/improved the tests though18:38
+perlDreamerand they seem to be optional, which will make the search index slightly smaller18:38
+perlDreamerre foreign characters...18:39
@Haargwell, the old indexer was sticking 2 single quotes between every word18:39
+perlDreamerwe spent about 3-4 hours yesterday looking at perl code, and it turns out that TinyMCE's encoding prevents that new code from doing what it needs to do18:40
@Haargfor chinese characters?18:40
@Haargor others?18:40
@Haargbecause i tested both18:40
@Haargand they worked18:40
@Haargmanually i mean18:40
+perlDreamerthe original poster reopened the ticket saying that it didn't work18:41
+perlDreamermaybe ideographs aren't encoded, but latin-1 special characters (umlauts, tildes and accents) are encoded?18:41
@Haargi didn't test any latin-1 special characters18:42
+perlDreamerme either18:43
@Haargjust checked and it does seem to be behaving incorrectly18:44
+perlmonkey2hmm, not familiar with wgd's build.  'perl Build.PL' then ./Build.  Shouldn't that build the new wgd in bin?18:46
+perlDreamerno18:46
+perlDreamerperl Build.PL18:46
+perlDreamerperl Build install18:46
@Haargalternatively18:47
@Haargcpan .18:47
+perlmonkey2nice18:47
+perlmonkey2I need to stop blowing away this server.  Reconfiguring it for non-wre instances is a pain :P18:48
@Haargwith the latest in git, after going perl Build.PL, you can do ./Build distexec and it will generate a single executable named wgd-v0.4.0 that contains everything.18:48
@Haargbut all that really is is a self extracting shell script18:48
@HaargperlDreamer, http://gist.github.com/172130 would be a simple solution18:54
+perlDreamerHaarg: FF 3.0.10 on FC10 using TinyMCE: taggedStrongly taggedStrongly home taggedstrongly sch&ouml;n18:54
+perlDreameryeah18:55
@Haargwhat we want to do with tinymce is somewhat beside the point, because it's perfectly valid to have html entities in the content and they should be indexed properly18:55
@Haargso excluding that one, what bugs do we have left?19:10
+perlDreamerStrange shelf behavior.  I don't believe this to be a bug currently, but it's worth more digging19:10
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+perlDreameri18n VIEW retry bug.  BartJol is working on this.19:11
+perlDreamerVIES retry bug, rather19:11
+perlDreamerSurvey Edit screen in IE619:11
+perlDreamerpbworkflow000000007 hanging19:11
+perlDreamerAccess to support -> pending the subscribable asset aspect19:12
+perlDreamerpreaction is fixing all EditArea bugs by replacing it with something that works19:12
+perlDreamerthat's it19:13
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: DON'T FORGET TO LOOK AT THE IE6 SURVEY EDIT BUG19:13
+perlDreamerreally, we're in good shape19:13
@Haarghow is the subscribable aspect going to deal with the access to support issue?19:13
+perlmonkey2yeah yeah, first I've got to set up wg on my server19:13
+perlDreamerwe were going to do the group introspection thing19:14
+perlmonkey2Test::Class....wtf, I know some modules are a pain to install, but really CentOS, I can't even isntall that?19:14
@Haargah19:14
+perlDreamerwe don't need Test::Class19:14
+perlDreameryet19:14
+perlmonkey2testEnvironment wants it19:14
+perlDreameroh19:14
+perlDreamerisn't it coming up optional?19:14
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+perlmonkey2Checking for module Test::Class:19:15
+perlmonkey2Not installed, do you want to install it now? {y|n} [y]19:15
+perlmonkey2doesn't look optional to m.e19:15
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+perlDreamerHaarg: I could use a little utf8 pointer with this: http://gist.github.com/17215119:18
+perlDreamermight be easier if I commit the test19:19
@Haargutf8::upgrade doesn't return the string19:20
@Haargit modifies it in place19:20
+perlDreamerah19:20
+perlDreamerwhich you can't do with a constant19:20
@Haargcorrect19:21
@Haargso you could either use utf8 in the test19:21
@Haargor put the encoded sequences in the string19:21
@Haarg\uxxx19:22
@Haargor is it \x19:22
+perlDreamer\x for hexadecimal encoding19:22
@Haargwas reading json stuff recently19:22
@Haargif you do either of those things you won't need to use utf8::upgrade19:23
+perlDreamerwhat about data coming back from the db?19:25
@Haargthat should be correct as well19:26
@Haargthe only reason i have it in that gist is because HTML::Entities doesn't do it right19:26
@Haargsomething we ran into before if you remember19:26
+perlDreameryes19:26
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+perlDreamerstill failing, this time because of what's in the db: http://gist.github.com/17216419:29
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@Haargwhat is in the db?19:32
+perlDreamertitle menuTitle This is a synopsis root import menutitle sch?n  ca??n keyword2 keyword119:33
+perlDreamerthat's from the mysql client19:33
+perlDreamerand this is the pending diff http://gist.github.com/17216919:34
+perlDreamerif I do a set names 'utf8' in the client, then the characters look right19:36
@Haargok19:37
@Haargi changed wgd db to always set that btw19:37
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@Haargit's still the utf8::upgrade not doing what you want19:47
@Haargyou definitely don't want to do it on keywords19:48
@Haargputting use utf8; above that section fixes it19:48
@Haargor using \xF6 \xF1 \xF3 instead of the characters you have19:49
@Haargoh, and the & is stripped out of the index19:49
+perlDreameryeah, I pulled that out19:49
@Haargthe utf8::* functions are very rarely what you want to use19:50
+perlDreamerlet me see if I can make sense of it19:51
+perlDreamerbecause I put utf8 characters in as "string literals", I should have used utf8, telling perl that some of my source was in utf819:51
@Haargyes19:52
+perlDreamerusing the \x gets around that, since the binary string constructed is made correctly19:52
@Haargthat fixed it when i tested it19:52
@Haargyes, you are explicitly telling perl the characters to stick in the string19:52
+perlDreamerI wonder if JT will let me borrow his kitchen to do some baking when I get there19:53
+perlDreamerodd, the helpdesk just crashed by entire browser19:58
+perlDreamerokay, fixed20:00
+perlDreameralthough it wouldn't hurt to add in some chinese ideograph tests to honor the work that you and gugod did yesterday20:01
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf68db11 / (4 files in 4 dirs): 20:02
CIA-53webgui: Decode HTML entities sent by rich editors. Add tests for the decoding20:02
CIA-53webgui: inside the search indexer. Gotcha note. Fixes #10797. - http://bit.ly/27Mj4M20:02
+perlmonkey2maybe I should create a virt cent image that uses the wre and dev on it, cause I'm still running testEnv to config my system.20:11
@Haargyou could just download the existing vmware image20:12
+perlmonkey2didn't realize it was being maintained20:12
+perlDreamerSDuensin was in here last month mentioning how to convert vmware images into VirtualBox images20:12
@Haargit would also be easy to upgrade though20:13
@Haargyou can just load the vmware disk images directly in virtualbox20:13
* SDuensin heard his name!20:14
+perlmonkey2I'll just create my own cent qemu image.  I'm familiar with xen based virts and setting up wG with the wre only takes a few moments.20:16
+perlDreamerspeaking of virtual images, since the recent SF file manager change, I don't think anyone but admins can upload files to pbwebgui20:19
@Haargmight be good to test20:19
@Haargthat's not really a big deal though20:20
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+perlDreamersearching for chinese ideographs isn't working20:53
+perlDreamerAt first, i wrote a test, and it was failing.20:55
+perlDreamerso then I tried adding a search wobject to the site20:55
+perlDreamerand putting chinese characters into the welcome asset20:55
+perlDreamerthey show up in the db correctly20:55
+perlDreamerbut searching for any one character doesn't work20:56
+perlDreamersearching for an english word, like Welcome, does20:56
perlmonkey21bah, qemu won't build a x64 cent image, so now I'm netinstalling the i386.  I'm going to spend all day setting up a dev env.  No wonder I can't get crap done.20:56
+perlDreamerperlmonkey21: I spent 4 hours trying to set up a dev env, when all I needed was libgomp20:56
perlmonkey21but now that I'll have an image, I'll never need to do this again.  Whenever I get a hair up my arse to try a new OS, I'll just make sure it supports xen :P20:57
+perlDreamerwhat are you running nowadays?20:57
perlmonkey21I went back to Cent5.3.  Debian was teh sux20:58
perlmonkey21toyed with the idea of ubuntu-server, but realized I was just being paranoid about cent.20:58
perlmonkey21although with this image I'll probably just be deving on F11 hosting the cent image instead of using my server.20:59
perlmonkey21perlDreamer: you still a F shop?20:59
@HaargperlDreamer, it works for me20:59
perlmonkey21F10?20:59
+perlDreamerstill on F1020:59
perlmonkey21F11 is a nice improvement.20:59
perlmonkey21but F10 was probably the first of the series that felt completely polished.21:00
+perlDreamerHaarg: http://gist.github.com/17225521:01
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r46eb7b5 / lib/WebGUI/Search.pm : Document the missing assetIds option to WebGUI::Search->search. - http://bit.ly/cMn7j21:01
@Haargwhich part is failing?  indexing or searching?21:02
+perlDreamersearching21:02
+perlDreamerlet me commit the Search/Index that is passing21:02
+perlDreamerI've manually verified that the db is fine21:03
+perlDreamerit seems to be the search21:03
+perlDreamerlet me see if I can duplicate it on a demo site21:06
@Haargtesting it manually works21:08
+perlDreamerdoes that test snippet work for you?21:10
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rda12070 / t/Search/Index.t : Do chinese ideogram indexing. - http://bit.ly/GO2Zg21:11
+perlDreamertesting on a beta demo site works, but it's also 1 day behind in code21:20
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd9cf707 / lib/WebGUI/Search.pm : Each Search object is good for 1, and only 1, search. - http://bit.ly/y7fmx21:21
+perlDreamerIt's not the version tag status, because searching for the word Chinese works21:23
+perlDreamersearching for ideogram first doesn't work21:23
@Haargfirst?21:25
+perlDreamerI tried switching the order of the tests21:27
+perlDreamerIn the paste I made earlier, I searched for Chinese first, then I made another, new search for ?21:27
+perlDreamerswitching the order doesn't affect the test failure21:27
@Haargso it's failing for you if you test it through the interface locally?21:28
+perlDreameryes, in both the automated test, and the search asset21:28
+perlDreamerso at least it's consistent on my site21:29
+perlDreamerbut this beta demo works: http://beta.webgui.org/demo1250878473_295/home21:30
@Haargcan get me the test that's failing in patch form?21:30
+perlDreamerhttp://gist.github.com/17228521:30
@Haargworks21:36
@Haarghttp://gist.github.com/172288 my my.cnf21:37
+perlDreamerft_min_word_len21:39
@Haargpossibly21:40
@Haargit's set to 2 in the wre21:40
+perlDreamerit is ft_min_word_len, I blindly started adding options one by one until the test passed21:41
+perlDreamerthe default is 421:41
@Haargodd21:41
@Haargbecause it was failing without the padding21:41
+perlDreameryeah, since the ideograms are 5 characters long now, with quotes21:41
@Haargso i added the padding and it started working21:41
@Haargexactly21:41
+perlDreamerI'll try explicitly setting it to 421:42
+perlDreamer4 and 3 both fail21:42
@Haargyou might using something else as padding as a test21:43
@Haarginstead of ''char'', make it charaaaaaaaa21:43
@Haargwe can't leave it like that, but it might help diagnose21:43
@preactionHaarg, perlDreamer: I'm installing the new helpdesk, so bear with me if anything goes weird in the next 5 minutes21:45
@Haargok21:46
* perlDreamer is about ready for a destressing run, so take your time21:46
+perlDreamer'a'x8 passes with ft_min_word_len=421:46
+perlDreamerwhen I use 'a'x8 as padding21:46
@Haarghrm21:46
+perlDreamermaybe punctuation counts as 1/2 a character? :)21:47
@Haargso maybe we should try to come up with something different for padding?21:47
@Haargi don't know21:47
@Haargwould be easy to try it with extra quote chars certainly21:47
+perlDreamerdoesn't help21:48
@Haargmight try other punctuation characters, but other than that i'm not sure.  will have to think about it for a bit.21:49
+perlDreamerthat didn't help either21:49
@preactiondone. let me and david know about any problems21:50
+perlDreamerI have this funny pain in my elbow when I type ctrl-C with only my left hand21:50
@preactionthat doesn't sound good21:51
+perlDreamergotta run, bbl21:51
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ckotilended up having to add the SSO specific directives and apache module to modperl in the wre.22:26
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+perlDreamerpreaction: it's dead23:49
+perlDreameryou've either closed every single bug, or its dead23:49
@preactiontry it again23:49
+perlDreamernope23:50
@Haargforce refresh?23:50
@preactionnext time i'm going to do this in the middle of the night so a dozen people aren't all telling me the same thing23:50
* perlDreamer is sorry23:50
@preactionwg.org and pb.com are different sites now, but i just fixed wg.org23:50
@preactionnot your fault i'm an idiot :p23:50
+perlDreamerbe nice to my boss...23:52
+perlDreamerokay, next year, party at my city: http://www.katu.com/news/local/53939567.html23:55
@preactionthat is the most awesome thing i've seen this week23:57
@preaction"I want an Urban Assault Pig"23:57
@preactionword23:57
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@preactioneven that awesomeness is not going to prevent me from ripping IE a new hole and stuff jalapeno peppers into it00:02
@preactionlucky I don't know where to find habanero...00:02
+perlDreamer I could UPS some, but it would be cheaper to buy local :/00:05
@Haargi have a quart jar of cayenne00:07
@Haargwould that be helpful?00:07
+perlDreamerquart jar?00:07
+perlDreamerwhat do you do with a quart jar of cayenne?00:08
@preactionyeah, not nearly enough00:08
@preactionmaybe if i flayed its skin and used the cayenne00:08
@Haargcheaper in bulk00:08
+perlDreamerdoes it stay fresh?00:08
@Haargyes00:08
@Haargfresh enough certainly.  it's stronger than most cayenne00:09
+perlDreamerokay, if you use more than two quotes, they're wasted, regardless of ft_min_word_len00:09
@Haargheh00:10
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@Haarguse multiple types of quotes?00:10
+perlDreamerand they have to be sequential00:10
+perlDreamerit's almost like it's checking the length, and then doing some kind of parse and recheck00:10
+perlDreamerI feel like we're gaming it00:11
+perlDreamerwhich means it'll break00:11
@Haargyeah, but there's no way reason to do it correctly00:11
@Haarg-reason00:11
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+perlDreamerno, any sequence of quotes (mixed or not) longer than two is dropped00:12
@Haargwell, then we're already at the best we can do00:13
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+perlDreamer"''qq" . $word . "qq''"00:14
@Haargbut that would match if someone searched for qq00:15
@Haargnot that it would make much sense to do that00:15
+perlDreamerI'll put a note into the gotcha file that ft_min_word_len needs to be 2 for doing ideographic text searches00:16
+perlDreamerand the sooner we use a better search solution, the better00:16
@Haargyes00:16
+perlDreamerhe fixed the metadata!00:19
+perlDreamernow, let's lose that karma rank column00:19
@Haargyeah, it displays correctly now00:19
@preactionpost a bug about it00:19
+perlDreamershould just be a template change00:20
@Haargthat would work around it00:20
@Haargbut the real problem is that karma is one setting when it needs to be two00:20
+perlDreamerI'll file it as a bug.00:21
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@preactionit's not a template change, i didn't see where to change the template to do it00:22
+perlDreamerhm00:22
+perlDreamerwell, someplace there's some JS that makes a dataform00:23
@preactionyes, but i can't edit that or nothing will get the karma rank category00:23
+perlDreamerand it needs a switch so that it's hidden for bugs, and not for rfes00:23
+perlDreamerI'll file a bug00:23
@Haargthere's already a karma switch00:24
@preactionbut i think it disables gathering of karma too00:24
@Haargit just needs to be changed so there is an additional switch so you get karma for posting00:24
@preactionone for "enable karma" one for "rank tickets by karma"00:24
+perlDreamerSquOnk: Please pay close attention to the gotchas for 7.7.19, they affect mysql config files00:24
+perlDreamerhow about "display karma rank"?00:25
@Haargit also effects the display of the difficulty00:25
SquOnkperlDreamer: Will do.00:25
+perlDreamerSquOnk, if WebGUI used a more traditional translation file for i18n, could we get hooked up with the Debian translation crew?00:26
SquOnkperlDreamer: Haven't done any i18n work in Debian, but I can check to see what's needed.00:28
SquOnkperlDreamer: AFAIK, the i18n crew translates Debconf template files only.00:28
+perlDreameroh00:28
SquOnkperlDreamer: Debconf templates are used for package configuration questions.00:28
+perlDreamerno language packs?00:28
SquOnkperlDreamer: You have the full locales...00:28
+perlDreameroh, of course00:28
+perlDreamerthey're translating Debian, not debian packages00:29
SquOnkperlDreamer: That's not exactly true...00:30
SquOnkperlDreamer: ...there's some translation going on for Debian package descriptions and sometimes patches are sent upstream with translations. But the effort is in installer/debconf00:31
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rea51ba5 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Add tests for ideogram searching. ft_min_word_len must be 2 or less. - http://bit.ly/42Q7sy00:31
+perlDreamerokay00:31
@HaargperlDreamer, i'm so sorry: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/1080800:52
@Haargi'll try to take a look at that one though00:52
+perlDreamerit is to be expected for us journeyman JS programmers00:57
+perlDreamerif you fix it before I do, just let me know what process got you there?00:57
@Haargwell, the error that's coming up is something about not finding a document00:58
@Haargand that option tries to disable the editor on init00:58
@Haargso it's probably just a timing issue00:59
+perlDreamernot only that, but <tremors start> when it's disabled the textarea can't be resized01:00
@Haargheh01:01
@Haargwell too bad01:01
* perlDreamer is starting to regret ever asking for that01:01
+perlDreamerit works for my IE6, on XP/SP301:11
@Haarghttp://beta.webgui.org/demo1250891447_479/01:12
@Haargedit the welcome item01:12
+perlDreamerI didn't have warnings turned on, in the browser01:13
@Haargthat's the next thing i was going to ask01:13
+perlDreamerbut every browser I've tried comes up with it disabled by default01:13
+perlDreamerthis.getDoc().body is null or not an object01:15
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@Haargcorrect01:17
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+perlDreameraccording to this, IE 5.5 and 6 don't have a contentDocument method: http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20030929/149359.html01:20
+perlDreamerbut at that point, it's all about TinyMCE01:21
@Haargtinymce has code to deal with that01:21
@Haarglike i say, it's most likely a timing issue01:21
@Haargthe ask option isn't a tinymce option, it's something we have added01:22
+perlDreameryes01:22
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+perlDreamerdaviddelikat: I got 3 emails when the gallery date bug was closed02:08
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daviddelikatperlDreamer: is that a bug?02:53
@preactiondaviddelikat: i fixed a couple issues with pagination, you might want to review and make sure i did it right02:59
@preactioni'm trying to fix the reply to a ticket via e-mail right now02:59
+perlDreamerdaviddelikat: if you didn't hit the save button 3 times, it may be a bug03:13
+perlDreamerI'm now subscribed to the board, so I may get 3 emails.03:13
+perlDreamerOne from the board, one from the bug, and ???03:14
+perlDreamereven so, the new board is awesome03:14
+perlDreameryou've done a great job!03:14
daviddelikatthanks03:51
daviddelikatI think that the mail script eliminates duplicates03:51
daviddelikatbut it might not...03:52
daviddelikatpreaction: is the reply to email thing part of the helpdesk or is it part of the mail system?03:52
daviddelikatI'll be away for the rest of the night ( got a HOT date ) but I'll read any comments in the morning03:53
@preactionit was part of the helpdesk, but it's fixed03:57
@preactionany text field in the mysql database should probably be longtext04:47
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wgGuest11hello04:58
@preactionhello04:59
+perlDreamerwhat's up wgGuest11?04:59
wgGuest11hi sirs04:59
+perlDreamerDo you have a WebGUI question?05:00
wgGuest11I spoke to perldreamer a few days ago05:00
+perlDreamerwhat did we speak about?05:00
wgGuest11Im so so lost on contact forms05:00
wgGuest11im set to local host wont relay05:01
+perlDreamerthat's not because of WebGUI05:01
wgGuest11is there settings in send mail that I have to set05:01
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wgGuest11i tried many dif relay 05:02
@preactioncheck your /var/log/maillog, if there are any errors, then probably05:02
@preactioni hate sendmail on principle, postfix is much nicer to use and configure05:02
wgGuest11u read my mind preaction was next q05:02
wgGuest11Ill try that tomorrow05:03
wgGuest11my next question is I have a few domains and need to set up so they all open seperate05:04
wgGuest11wiki dosnt realy explain it05:04
@preaction"open seperate"?05:04
wgGuest11www.911x.org, www.gerrysweb.net05:05
wgGuest11they all go to 911x.org05:05
@preactionokay, why? is that what you want?05:05
wgGuest11i cant even set up other05:05
@preactioni don't understand. you want two different sites on the same server, right?05:06
@preactionand you have your own webgui server, correct?05:06
wgGuest11yes I would like to use 1 static IP address and have them all be seperate05:06
wgGuest11yes im runing the wre on centos 5.305:07
+perlDreamerwgGuest11, have you thought about using a hoster, instead of trying to do this yourself?05:07
@preactionokay, that's called "name-based virtual hosts", if you open the wreconsole.pl and add another site, it should work just fine05:07
wgGuest11i have 50 plus domains will this be a problem05:08
@preactiondepends on the speed of your system05:08
@preactionwe've got more than that on some of our systems05:08
wgGuest11can i set up usage limits 05:09
wgGuest11per site05:09
@preactionwhat kind of usage limits? disk space? bandwidth? memory? CPU?05:09
wgGuest11yes all05:09
+perlDreamer"hoster"05:10
@preactionmod_bw can do it for bandwidth. disk space is a little trickier, but your OS can handle that. memory and CPU, per site, no, it's not worth it05:10
@preactionif you want real seperation, use virtual machines05:10
wgGuest11the admin book should arrive begin of week .05:11
@preaction"it's not worth it" because the techniques to do the limiting cost a lot of CPU/memory05:11
wgGuest11Is it geared toward hosting05:11
@preactionwe use a monitor (the wremonitor included) that checks if a process has gone runaway and kills it05:12
@preactionthe admin guide is geared towards administrating webgui sites and the WRE05:12
wgGuest11explains multi site set up ?05:13
@preactionwhat little there is to explain, yeah05:13
@preactionyou can just go onto your system and do: /data/wre/sbin/addsite.pl --sitename=<domain> --adminPassword=<your admin password>; # done05:13
wgGuest11in the wre control panel I added all the sites they just all open the first one05:14
@preactionokay, that's a different problem then05:15
@preactiondid you restart modperl and modproxy?05:15
wgGuest11yes 05:15
wgGuest11www.911x.org is first in list then www.gerrysweb.net and they both open 911x.org05:16
@preactionokay, open /data/wre/etc/www.gerryswhatever.com.modproxy and look at what ServerName and ServerAlias say, are they what you expect?05:16
@preactionthen do the same with the www.gerrysweb.com.modperl05:17
@preaction(in the same folder)05:17
wgGuest11Im at home and the server is in my office05:17
wgGuest11I will check this all out in am05:18
wgGuest11im guessing this is where the problem lies05:18
wgGuest11thanks everyone, perldream I paid hosting with plainblack for over a year and moved the sites to my citys departments server, know I want my own for fun not business05:31
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+perlDreamerhoster06:16
SDuensinOk, so wow.  You guys got Wave added in yet?  :-)06:17
+perlDreamernope06:18
+perlDreamerthat's WebGUI 1006:18
SDuensinTEN!?  Slackers!06:18
+perlDreamerhey, we still gotta make 8 and 906:18
* SDuensin has an evil plan for 7 yet.06:19
+perlDreameroh?  Do tell!06:27
SDuensinBut that would spoil the evilness of it!06:28
+perlDreamerAs long as you don't fork WebGUI, that's fine.06:28
+perlDreamerif you do fork, you lose your Captain Gooey secret octal decoder ring06:28
SDuensinGood god no.  Why would I want to be in charge of this thing?  :-P06:29
SDuensinSee, I like Thingy.  But Thingy makes me mad.  It's *almost* enough to do what I need, but not quite...06:32
+perlDreamerhack da thingy06:32
SDuensinI've said before, I pretty much want "Visual Basic" for WebGUI.06:32
SDuensinAnd some hacking I did last night may have finally found a way without doing an extremely insane amount of work to pull it off.06:33
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KlausHHi!22:30
KlausHI have some problems during upgrade. Just upgrading some sites from 7.2.2 to 7.3.22. After restarting wre, wre reports starting WebGUI 7.3.22 but the sites are still running the old version. Any hints?22:33
KlausHI have upgraded with WebGUI's upgrade.pl and not with the wre webguiupgrade22:34
KlausHno errors occured22:35
KlausHtestEnvironment.pl reports no errors22:35
@preactiondid you clear the cache?22:36
@preactionwhat is saying they're running the old version?22:36
KlausHcleared the cache within the adminconsole22:37
KlausHin the html source in the HEAD the old versin is reported and in adminconsole statistics22:37
@preactionbrowser cache?22:38
KlausHcleared.22:38
@preactionwhat does lib/WebGUI.pm say the version is?22:38
KlausHWebGUI.pm ist the new Version 7.3.2222:39
KlausHI'm running wre 0.7.222:41
@preactionthe only thing i can think of is that the upgrade didn't go well22:46
@preactioncheck the webguiVersion table in your sites22:46
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KlausHwebguiVersion contains 7.2.2 with versionType initial install and all following versions up to 7.3.22 as versionType upgrade23:10
KlausHmeanwhile I have manually deleted the cache files in /tmp/WebgUICache but with no success23:11
KlausHwhen should I best upgrade the wre? first upgrading webgui or first upgrading the wre?23:30
KlausHnow running wre 0.7.2 and WebGUI 7.2.223:31
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+perlDreamerdaviddelikat: ping....01:44
daviddelikatpong01:44
+perlDreamereither someone closed a whole raft of bugs, or pagination on the helpdesk is off01:45
+perlDreamerthere should be an IE6 rendering bug for the Survey01:45
+perlDreamerthe infamous PBworkflow000000006 bug01:45
+perlDreamerthe immortal RTE rendering bug on Safari01:46
daviddelikati see01:46
daviddelikatI will dig into that later on tonight, I'm just getting ready to break for dinner.01:47
daviddelikatdid you see that I am working on the 'assign to me' ref?01:47
daviddelikats'ref'rfe'01:47
+perlDreamerI saw there was activity on it, but I didn't know that you'd started work on it01:48
daviddelikatI'm trying to figure out where to put the button/link for it01:49
+perlDreamerright below the other one?01:49
daviddelikatyou mean the edit button?01:49
daviddelikatany idea what it should say?01:49
daviddelikatperhaps 'a2me'01:50
+perlDreamerHow about a button that says MINE01:50
daviddelikatmaybe we could put a pic of a seagul on it01:50
+perlDreamerand when you press it, it plays the "Mine, mine, mine" Yoda quote from Empire Strikes Back01:51
daviddelikatI was thinking finding nemo01:51
daviddelikatmuch more anoying01:51
+perlDreamerI like that, too.01:51
daviddelikatI'm pushing a bunch more chnges up tonight01:52
daviddelikatso helpdesk will be new again on Monday01:52
+perlDreamerawesome!01:52
daviddelikatsee ya later..01:52
+perlDreamerlater!01:52
+perlDreamerNice translation work, KlausH02:13
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CIA-53webgui: Patrick Donelan master * r280e902 / (8 files in 4 dirs): 08:21
CIA-53webgui: Fixes to Survey reporting and performance improvements08:21
CIA-53webgui: Fix: Survey export simple/transposed results to csv or tab08:21
CIA-53webgui: Fix: loadTempReportTable handling of revisionDates (and documentation)08:21
CIA-53webgui: Fix: returnResponseForReporting handling of mc questions08:21
CIA-53webgui: NYTProf performance improvements08:22
CIA-53webgui: Added some very basic Survey reporting tests - http://bit.ly/ulDCp08:22
CIA-53webgui: Patrick Donelan master * rf3c3bfb / (4 files in 4 dirs): Fixed GUID string comparisons (eq instead of ==) - http://bit.ly/RRktp10:51
CIA-53webgui: Patrick Donelan master * rb89cb98 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.18-7.7.19.pl : Fixed: inboxSmsNotificationTemplateId setting missing from upgrade script - http://bit.ly/1wJF8P12:01
SynQhmm13:20
SynQhi there13:21
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1ed91d7 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix Matrix i18n in compare matrix template. Fixes #10814 - http://bit.ly/4asoNr22:11
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4f23d88 / lib/WebGUI/Macro/UsersOnline.pm : Use the new User API for determining if session user is visitor. - http://bit.ly/gsBbN22:11
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r223a512 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Use setting API to determine if the setting exists in the db. - http://bit.ly/4zfpUN22:11
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+BartJolhi there, bug slashing nerds22:33
+perlDreamerhowdy, BartJol, Executive Bier Drinker of Procolix22:34
+BartJolif only22:34
+perlDreamerVice-President of Bier Consumption?22:34
+BartJolmainly having aches of making a concrete like floor22:34
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+BartJolwell, not at procolix22:35
+BartJolhey Kathy22:35
dreamersgirlHi!22:35
+BartJolhows live?22:35
+BartJollooking forward to the WUC?22:35
dreamersgirllife is good.  stressful, though.  I have finals starting tomorrow.22:36
+perlDreamershe'll be there Thursday night22:36
+BartJolooh22:36
dreamersgirlTotally looking forward to the WUC22:36
dreamersgirland seeing all you guys!22:36
dreamersgirland hanging out with perlDreamer, too!22:36
+perlDreameraw :)22:36
+BartJolwell, we're the social glue of the wuc and we stick to your fingers22:36
dreamersgirllike honey22:37
+BartJolnot sure what that is supposed to mean22:37
dreamersgirlhoney is sticky.  just ask Pooh Bear22:37
+BartJol:)22:37
+BartJolbut you don't get time enough to hang out with your hussie?22:38
dreamersgirlare you just coming over for the WUC or will you be traveling around a bit?22:38
+BartJolonly wuc22:38
+BartJolI have a house to remodel22:38
+BartJoland the weekend after the wuc22:38
+perlDreamerBartJol, in English, "hussie" is a woman of bad morals22:38
+BartJolwell, I meant husband22:38
+perlDreamerso, not only do I hope that dreamersgirls doesn't have one, but that they don't hang out together :)22:39
+BartJolnice mistyping though22:39
+perlDreamerit was excellent22:39
dreamersgirl:)22:39
+BartJoland innocent, as I always am22:39
dreamersgirlof course.  we've thought nothing else of you.22:39
+perlDreamerespecially while you're using sledge hammers22:40
dreamersgirlbesides, the correct spelling is with a "y" not an "ie"22:40
dreamersgirlI <3 dictionary.com22:40
+BartJolmm Colin is making me fix bugs22:40
dreamersgirlgood man22:40
+perlDreamerVIES22:41
+BartJolwhich means dirty in dutch22:41
+perlDreamerit means water in Hungarian22:41
+BartJolit has lots om meaning it seems22:42
+perlDreamerindeed.  Did you get the water and heating installed this weekend?22:42
+BartJolno, only made the floor, a company  comes this week for heating, gas and water22:43
+BartJol4600 euros total, which is a bargain22:43
+BartJolan advisor estimated 7500 for that22:43
dreamersgirlare you trying to live there yet?22:44
+BartJolno, at the end of septmber I will move22:44
+BartJolAnd I want to have my toilet and shower working by then22:44
+BartJolno kitchen though22:44
dreamersgirli'm sure your friends and neighbors will appreciate you waiting till those are working...22:45
+BartJolprobably22:45
+BartJolme too22:45
+BartJolmmm upgrading while hacking is a pain22:46
dreamersgirlbut no kitchen?  makes it hard to cook.22:46
+BartJolit will be like indoor camping22:46
dreamersgirland you're a good cook, if I remember right22:46
+perlDreamerhe makes awesome pumpkin soup22:47
+BartJolI can stand my little man22:47
+BartJol(dutch proverb)22:47
dreamersgirlwhat does that mean?22:48
+BartJolI can handle it (with a touch of understatement)22:48
dreamersgirlgotcha22:49
+BartJoloh yeah, I have to remember to cook for JT and Sarah (and maybe more). If JT can stand you, you're also invited22:54
+perlDreamerwhat's on the menu this year?22:54
+BartJoldunno yet, what do you want to eat in 2 weeks, some Dutch stew?22:55
+BartJolonly takes 3 hours of waiting22:55
+perlDreamerthat's a lot of waiting22:56
+perlDreamerbut there's lots of code to write, too :)22:56
dreamersgirloh yeah, LOTS of code22:56
dreamersgirlso what types of food are traditional dutch?22:57
+BartJolwell, that stew I mentioned22:57
+BartJolit's beef and onions and laurel, you serve it with with mashed potatoes (maybe with beets)22:57
+BartJolthose purple balls22:58
dreamersgirli know beets22:58
dreamersgirli have several growing in my garden right now22:58
+perlDreamerdo you mash the beets?22:58
+BartJolyes22:59
+BartJolI wasn't sure on the spelling22:59
+BartJolmmm, let me think22:59
+BartJolstuff with cheese23:00
+perlDreamerdo you need an assistant chef?23:00
dreamersgirlI volunteer!23:01
+BartJolooh, cheese fondue is a favourite23:01
dreamersgirlYou don't want me coding anyway.23:01
+BartJolof me23:01
+perlDreamerit's popular in the dreamer family, too23:01
dreamersgirlOoooooh.  Cheese fondue.  Mmmmmmmm.23:01
+BartJolwell, that would be interesting23:01
+BartJolcoding or cooking23:01
dreamersgirlcooking for sure!23:01
+BartJolor stuff that begins with co23:01
dreamersgirl:)23:01
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5c2e596 / t/Search/Index.t : Update number of tests. - http://bit.ly/u4LoM23:01
+BartJolthere he goes again23:02
+perlDreamerdoes he ever stop?23:02
+BartJolonly when there are no more bugs or tests to write I suspect23:02
+BartJolso imaginary, that can happen23:03
+perlDreamerHe'd be out of a job!23:03
+BartJolthat's not good23:03
+perlDreamerno, hungry children and pets, out on the street23:03
+BartJolbut an extra cook will be nice23:03
+BartJolwell, I will code more, then more bugs will be created23:04
+perlDreamermy family appreciates your support23:04
+BartJolI'll make a start on WebGUI 923:04
dreamersgirland i'm back to learning about pneumonia23:04
dreamersgirlnice chatting with you BartJol23:05
dreamersgirlSee you soon!23:05
+BartJolah, ok23:05
+BartJolsucces with your finals23:05
dreamersgirlthank you!23:05
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SDuensinArrgh.  I love arguing with developers over stupidity.23:06
+BartJolmmm, almost tried to get the scratch variable lasagna :)23:06
SDuensin(Nobody here though.  We're all brilliant.)23:06
+BartJolarguing over what stupidity is is possible though23:07
SDuensinpreaction will appreciate it.  I've re-opened his Colloquy "/notice" gripe.  :-)23:07
+perlDreamerBartJol, got dinner on the mind?23:07
+BartJola bit23:08
+BartJolbut lasagna isn't Dutch23:08
+BartJolbut I did spend 2 hours last friday, discovering that that strange behaviour was a ff bug :(23:09
+BartJoland not my buggie code23:09
+perlDreamerthat's good.23:09
+perlDreamerHow does FF affect the VIES workflow?23:09
+BartJolOh, I updated some of my bazaar stuff with comments23:09
+BartJolno, my setlanguage stuff23:10
+BartJolfirefox did not like operations that much it seemed23:10
+BartJolwent comlaining over css files it wanted to look for on the web23:10
* SDuensin just filed the most difficult bug EVER! #1081623:11
+BartJolah, piece of cake23:11
+BartJolnot sure what kind23:11
+BartJolah, well, the hard part is to find the i18n entry23:12
+perlDreamerthat bug is so difficult, it will never be fixed in 7.623:12
+perlDreamertoo many man hours23:12
SDuensin:-)23:12
+BartJoland writing tests23:13
+perlDreamertime to take the kids to a birthday party23:13
+perlDreamerbbl, all23:13
+BartJolhave fun23:13
+BartJolbut SDuensin what was the general scope of that discussion, I'm curious23:14
+BartJolhere we have a strong hierarchy: what JT says is smart23:15
SDuensinWhich?  Colloquy?  That it does dumb things with /notice and the dev won't fix it.23:15
+BartJolah, and they disagree that it does dumb things?23:15
SDuensinYep.  I mean, there's already a toggle in the UI to determine what you want it to do.  Just make a third option that makes sense.  :-)23:17
+BartJolunsensible options are ACME features23:17
SDuensinI mean, right now, the default is to send them to Growl.  Any idea what that looks like when you join a dozen rooms on half a dozen networks?23:18
SDuensinThe "better" option creates a new tab for every one!  It's madness!23:19
* SDuensin remembers preaction warning him, but noooo, he didn't listen.23:19
+BartJol:)23:24
+BartJolsome times you have to take advantage of the knowledge of others23:24
SDuensinI want to use Colloquy so I can turn on the bouncer for the iPhone.23:25
+BartJolaah,  cool, but23:34
* BartJol has company23:34
* SDuensin has coffee23:35
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SDuensinok, so in YUI, can there be multiple onDOMReady calls?  Or is it like the dreaded window.load where you have to chain them?00:07
@preactionthe yui event utility handles chaining for you00:10
SDuensinThat was my guess.  Thanks.00:11
@preactionso you should be doing; YAHOO.util.Event.addListener( window, "load", function () {} );00:11
SDuensinOk, my chaining code worked.  That did not.  :-/00:12
SDuensinHelps if it's not a syntax error.  :-D00:14
SDuensinok, I'm loading /extras/yui/build/yahoo-dom-event/yahoo-dom-event.js - seems I need something else to make it work?00:34
@preactionto make what work?00:35
SDuensinYAHOO.util.Event.addListener00:35
@preactionwhat is the error you're getting?00:35
SDuensinIt only fires when admin mode is on.00:36
@preactionprobably an issue with your markup00:36
@preactionor caching00:36
* SDuensin breaks out FireBug.00:36
* SDuensin breaks Safari. :-)00:37
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SDuensinMarkup is clean, cache is wiped, still only works in admin.  :-/00:44
+BartJolperlDreamer: it seems that tuesday will be cookout night00:53
+BartJolaccording to Sarah00:53
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+perlDreamerdaviddelikat, you're doing a mighty work on that helpdesk02:39
daviddelikatthanks02:42
daviddelikatgonna try for one more tonight02:42
daviddelikatI'll be offline for a bit while I upgrade pidgin02:43
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daviddelikatis it just me or are WebGUI page titles a bit long and slightly redundant?02:50
+perlDreamerthey're "engineered" for SEO02:50
+perlDreamerand are of low barometric pressure02:50
daviddelikatwhats SEO?02:50
+perlDreamerSearch Engine Optimization02:51
daviddelikatso do you think it is reasonable to require users to enter a synopses on a ticket?02:55
+perlDreamerno02:55
+perlDreamerwell, yes and no02:55
+perlDreamerIf it's really needed, we can pull it from the description field if they leave it blank02:55
+perlDreamerbut if we make it harder to file tickets by requiring more information, then we'll have fewer filed bugs02:56
daviddelikatI was thinking that a title would be required02:56
daviddelikatbut I suppose it they put one or the other thats good enough02:56
daviddelikatyesterday I made a blank ticket02:57
daviddelikatno title, not synopses, nothin'02:57
daviddelikatthat seems like a bad thing to me02:57
+perlDreameryes02:57
+perlDreamertitle and description, what the bug is in (WebGUI, WRE, etc.),02:58
+perlDreamerversion is always nice02:58
+perlDreamerseverity is optional02:58
daviddelikatseverity defaults to the worst, 'what its in' defaults to WG Stable02:59
daviddelikatso should I require both title and description? or just one of them minimum?03:00
+perlDreamerDescription should be required03:00
+perlDreamerI guess we could extract a title from the description03:00
+perlDreamerif it was left out03:00
+perlDreamerbut I don't think it's too much to ask03:01
+perlDreameras long as they're marked so that people know that they are required03:01
daviddelikatI agree, but then these are users we are talking about03:01
+perlDreamerIt feels quite ironic when I become "the user".03:01
daviddelikatindeed03:01
daviddelikati try to be a good user03:01
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r327efb2 / (lib/WebGUI/AssetTrash.pm lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset.pm): Fix broken i18n for the progress bar in deleting assets. - http://bit.ly/Trd2D03:01
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6f83046 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/ThingyRecord.pm : Fix broken i18n in the ThingyRecord. - http://bit.ly/3ZT1CV03:01
daviddelikatbut some people are hard to please03:02
+perlDreamerSDuensin: ping03:09
SDuensinpong03:10
+perlDreamerwhich version of WebGUI are you using with your [Cc]opy problem?03:11
+perlDreamerbecause I'm looking at 7.7, and 7.6.35 and they have Capital Copy03:11
* SDuensin wrote it down! :-P03:12
SDuensin7.6.3503:12
SDuensinIt's on the search page, not the manage page.03:12
+perlDreamerah, search!03:12
SDuensinYup03:12
SDuensinTold you it was a tricky bug.   :-P03:13
+perlDreamerDude, you are like one of the best bug reporters ever03:14
+perlDreamerYou answer questions03:14
+perlDreamerI almost closed that bug wholesale03:14
SDuensinI try to put everything I can into the report.  I know what it's like to get "It don't work" as an issue.  :-)03:15
+perlDreamerdaviddelikat, is helpdesk pagination still an issue?03:17
+perlDreameron my FF it is03:17
daviddelikatit is supposed to be fixed, what is it (not) doing?03:18
@preactioni'll update the code on frozen, then we can try03:18
SDuensinUpdate frozen code?  Whhhaaaa?   :-P03:19
SDuensin[19:14]  <perlDreamer> Dude, you are like one of the best bug reporters ever  <-- My bill is in the mail.  :-)03:19
daviddelikatjust nuke it for 30 sec03:19
daviddelikatthen put it back in the freezer03:20
@preactionperlDreamer: try now? force refresh too03:20
+perlDreamerData error03:20
@preactionokay, that's what i was seeing03:20
@preactionthere's a problem with the URL being generated by the helpdesk03:21
daviddelikatI fixed that last night03:21
daviddelikatI'm not sure what happened03:21
daviddelikatbut the delimiter at the end of the base query was gone03:21
+perlDreamerdid you push the commit up to github?03:22
daviddelikatI'm not sure I put it into git tho, I'll check03:22
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0d0e574 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm): Fix a capitalization issue. Fixes bug 10816. - http://bit.ly/k2hcp03:22
* SDuensin cheers!03:23
SDuensinThat dumb "c" has bugged me for a long time.  I finally wasn't so deep into a project that I had time to report it.  :-)03:23
daviddelikatno I did not push it to git, do you want me to do it now? or wait till later toinight?03:24
@preactionif you do it now i can pull it right away03:24
daviddelikatdone03:25
daviddelikatI'm git'n ta like this 'git' thang03:25
+perlDreamerme, too03:25
+perlDreameralthough I don't get branching03:25
daviddelikatI think every repo is a branch03:26
+perlDreameryes, but switching between, and merging between branches escapes me03:26
daviddelikathow much of a branch depends on how often you push/pull03:26
+perlDreamerI think I gave patspam a very large headache recently with some bad git merging03:26
daviddelikatI won't be coaching/teaching this for quite a while myself...03:27
@preactionthere, fixed now03:27
daviddelikatshould be some other old tickets fixed too...03:28
+perlDreamerno. not fixed03:28
+perlDreamerpage 1 == page 203:28
daviddelikatthats pretty cool03:28
+perlDreamerSecond verse, same as the first!03:29
daviddelikati'll get right on that...03:29
daviddelikatI was hoping it was a problem with my dev site03:29
+perlDreamerI was going to go and update old bugs that are waiting on external dependencies03:29
daviddelikatif you remember bits of them try searching03:30
+perlDreamersearching doesn't work either03:30
daviddelikatwhat part?03:30
+perlDreamerwait a sec03:30
+perlDreamerit is03:30
daviddelikatwheew03:30
+perlDreamerbut there's no feedback while it searches, so it faked me out03:30
daviddelikatyou mean like the 'loading' box?03:31
daviddelikatI can add that03:31
daviddelikatwhere is the setting for cacch configuration?03:43
+perlDreamerin the config file03:43
+perlDreamercacheType03:43
daviddelikatis that where I can turn it off?03:44
daviddelikatOK, I have it working, preaction do you want to put it in right away or wait?03:46
@preactionright away is fine03:46
daviddelikatits all yours03:47
@preactiondone, test and make sure for me?03:48
+perlDreamerexcelsior!03:49
daviddelikatlooks good to me, perlDreamer?03:49
+perlDreamerDo we need another bug status?  "Waiting for next major release"03:50
+perlDreamerpreaction: how's the new CodeEditor coming?03:51
daviddelikatRFE pagination is busted...03:51
+perlDreamerbut it works on the bug board?03:51
daviddelikatyup03:51
daviddelikatgoofy huh?03:52
daviddelikatI think it might be the template03:52
+perlDreamerseems to work for me03:52
daviddelikatperhaps its my cache03:53
daviddelikatyup, cleared the cache and its fine03:53
daviddelikatgotta LUV that cache03:53
* perlDreamer likes fewer bugs03:53
+perlDreamergotta help with dinner03:54
+perlDreamerbbl03:54
daviddelikatmmmm dinner03:55
daviddelikathelpdesk links do cool things when clicked with modifiers now...03:56
daviddelikatoh and notice how when you close a tab, it goes back to where you were before...04:00
daviddelikatrather than just going to the search tab...04:01
@preactionshould I use Python to talk to Flash, using the available libraries, or should I write my own libraries in Perl04:36
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+perlDreamerpython?05:03
+perlDreamerFlash?05:03
@preactionyes, the new AS3 features are incredibly flexible05:03
@preactionso i'm gonna make some games05:04
+perlDreamerpreaction, I could use a $dayJob double check on these: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/1081805:05
+perlDreamerto me they all scream RFE05:05
@preactionthey're RFEs05:06
@preactiontwo different ones. he should know better...05:06
+perlDreamerthanks, I thought for a second I was being too harsh05:07
daviddelikatthere is a perl module that does flash...05:18
daviddelikatcant remember what its called...05:19
daviddelikatming05:19
daviddelikathttp://todbot.com/ming/05:19
@preactionyeah, it seems abandoned05:37
daviddelikati see that...   its a cool idea tho05:38
@preactionit is, but what i need more is to talk to a Flash client05:38
@preactionPyAMF does that for me05:38
@preactionAMF is like JSON for flash05:38
daviddelikatdid you try AMF::Perl?05:39
daviddelikatits alo kind of old...05:39
@preactionyeah, that's the problem. it's old :(05:39
+perlDreamerwhat's wrong with old? :(05:41
daviddelikatits OK for people, not code05:41
@preactionold usually means i'll have to fix it05:41
@preactionbitrot05:41
daviddelikati guess the question to answer is what is the difficulty in getting the python to work with perl05:43
daviddelikatand is it as hard or harder than makign one of the other things do it...05:44
daviddelikatthat is one of the perl solutions05:44
@preactionthat's just it, i don't need Perl at all. I have a flash client, and i need a backend for a database layer05:44
@preactionI can use Perl/POE or Python/Twisted05:44
daviddelikatso its not a WebGUI thing then?05:44
@preactionPython has the flash communication layer, Perl seems like I'll need to create it myself05:45
@preactionno ;)05:45
daviddelikatmums the word...05:45
@preactionthis is just the best place i can find professional programmers05:45
daviddelikatpro0fess-ion-all who?05:46
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6634f3e / t/Storage.t : Fix broken tests that were creating odd directories. - http://bit.ly/DaX8s06:41
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daviddelikatyet another HelpDesk feature goes to github tonight...07:17
+perlDreameris it all code, or are there template changes in there?07:19
daviddelikattemplate had to change07:19
+perlDreamerin that case, I'll leave to the professionals07:21
daviddelikatcodes-away,  &   I'm to bed07:29
daviddelikatnight all07:30
+perlDreamer'night :)07:30
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6e0fcee / (t/Asset/Redirect/mech.t t/Auth/mech.t): Add WEBGUI_LIVE env variable to more tests that use Test::WWW::Mechanize. - http://bit.ly/1aGpqJ07:51
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CIA-53webgui: Patrick Donelan master * r491e06b / www/extras/wobject/Survey/administersurvey.js : 11:41
CIA-53webgui: Fixed Suvery Number js validation11:41
CIA-53webgui: Attaching the number validation code to onkeydown was very problematic.11:41
CIA-53webgui: Changing to onblur is much cleaner, and probably nicer for the user.11:41
CIA-53webgui: This commit also fixes the problem that Number questions without a 'step'11:41
CIA-53webgui: set would not be checked for 'required'-ness. - http://bit.ly/SU6t711:41
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+bartjolok, I am looking at bug: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/1067917:29
+bartjolwould people rather have a incident triggered workflow for a single user or a workflow in cron style for all invalidatd VAT numbers17:30
+bartjolany ideas17:30
+bartjol?17:30
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+bartjolhey17:32
+perlDreamermorning, folks!17:32
+bartjolmorning17:32
+bartjolworking on that bug again17:32
+perlDreamerhow's it going?17:32
+bartjolstill doubting what the best way is17:32
+bartjoland Sarah would like me to cook on tuesday, not sure whether you're in Madison yet17:33
+perlDreamerI'm in Madcity that day17:33
+bartjolwell, we also had a plan to go to the new glarus brewery that day17:33
+bartjolbut cooking afterwards should be possible17:33
+bartjolbut Kathy won't I suspect17:33
+bartjolbut bugs17:34
+perlDreamerno, 'tis too early17:34
+perlDreamerI'll take good notes for her17:34
+bartjolprolly that will be JT's last less stressing moment17:34
+perlDreamerhe has a big meeting that day, so I'm guessing not17:35
+perlDreamerso a tummy-full of good Dutch food will be good for him17:35
+perlDreamer(and all of us)17:35
+bartjolwell, some soothing dinner afterwards should be good though17:35
+bartjolbut Rory confused me again and started about a cron type wf that checks for unvalidated vat numbers17:36
+perlDreamerthat is one way to do it, too17:36
+perlDreamerit makes fewer workflows17:37
+bartjolyes...17:37
+perlDreamerbut it has to run periodically17:37
+perlDreamerwhen run as a cron job17:37
+bartjolok, but if people can type, the other workflow should not run that often17:38
+bartjolonly if17:38
+bartjolif only17:38
+perlDreamerOr if VIES does not go down very often17:38
+perlDreamereither case could be a problem17:38
+bartjolwell, it happened today17:38
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+bartjollet's tavisto decide17:40
+perlDreamersure17:40
+perlDreamerwe'll flip him17:40
+bartjoltavisto: option 1 or 2?17:40
+perlDreamerif he lands on his head, go with the Workflow17:40
+perlDreamerif he lands on his bum (tails), then go Cron job17:40
+bartjolno, I won't toss him17:40
+bartjolso Tavis, what's it gonna be?17:41
* perlDreamer wishes he spoke better German, or at least some Dutch17:41
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+bartjolwell, he's useless17:41
+perlDreameror, at least, absent17:42
+bartjolmarketing guys17:42
+perlDreamerwhat does SynQ say about it?17:42
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+perlDreameror KlausH?17:42
+bartjolsynq says "i'm watching my baby and have to change diapers17:42
+bartjol"17:42
+perlDreamerlet me ask you this.  What do _you_ think is the best way?17:43
* bartjol thinks the triggered workflow one is better17:43
+perlDreamerthen do it that way17:43
+perlDreamerit's the guts of the workflow that really matter17:44
+perlDreamerif necessary, we can always change the timing later17:44
+bartjolbut I want someone to blame when JT is gonna wipe my ass of17:44
+bartjol;)17:44
* perlDreamer is Der BlamenMeister17:44
+bartjoljee, is that a word17:45
+bartjolcool17:45
+bartjolI see Anklagmeister17:46
+perlDreamerI made it up :P17:46
+bartjolwell, now I have to get my designed code working17:47
+bartjoland make i18n for it17:47
+perlDreamerit shouldn't need much i18n17:48
+bartjoland make some notifications17:48
+perlDreamerjust an interval for retrying17:48
KlausHperlDreamer wants to help on German translation so we cann pass the Duch ;-)17:48
+bartjolwhich need messages17:48
+bartjolha17:48
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+bartjoltry me ;)17:49
SquOnkHi everyone17:49
+perlDreamerKlausH, if I "helped" the German translation, you would not ever catch the Dutch17:49
+bartjolhowdy17:49
+perlDreamermorning, SquOnk17:49
KlausHhi17:49
SquOnkperlDreamer: I seem to have lost the tab labels in 7.6.35.1 :(17:49
+bartjolgerlish, that would be cool17:49
+perlDreamerI did find an i18n bug in i18n/English/Asset.pm, shall we make a new release for .2?17:50
SquOnkAnd Tree Nav doesn't work quite right. I use it for the Site Map. It displays ok, but when you click in any of the links, they won't open.17:50
SquOnkperlDreamer: Please do.17:54
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SquOnkperlDreamer: I'm trying to figure out the Tree Nav bug, so if you can hold at bit, we can combine those.17:55
+perlDreamerSquOnk: they could be related17:55
+perlDreameryou can try pulling a new copy of the i18n/English/Asset.pm from SVN, because it is clean there17:55
+perlDreamerto see if it fixes it17:56
SquOnkperlDreamer: I don't think so. I saw the Tree Nav bug in 7.6.30 or something. I was not using it at the time...17:56
SquOnkFresh 7.6.35.1 install. Edit the default Site Map navigation and change it into a Tree Nav...17:56
SquOnkIf you hover over any of the links, the proper link shows in the browser's status bar...17:57
SquOnk...but if you click on it you go nowhere.17:57
+perlDreamerperhaps the title is set in the link, but not the href?17:58
+perlDreamerif so, then there's a problem17:58
+perlDreamersince we can't run an upgrade script to install the new package17:58
SquOnkperlDreamer: This menu is built using JavaScript. The href looks ok on the page source17:59
SquOnk... nodes['mTOiwwk3q4k9g5-XykXhPA'] = new YAHOO.widget.TextNode('<a href="/webgui/documentation">Documentation</a>' ...17:59
SquOnkperlDreamer: If you "Open link in new tab", the darn thing works.18:00
SquOnkperlDreamer: But if you just click on it, it doesn't18:01
+perlDreamerperhaps it is a browser bug?18:01
SquOnkperlDreamer: Happens in Firefox (Linux/Windows), Epiphany and Konqueror...18:02
SquOnkperlDreamer: ... don't have IE to try it out.18:02
SquOnkBut as I wrote before: standard 7.6.35 install18:02
+perlDreamerhm....18:03
* perlDreamer will try out 7.7's Tree Nav for comparison when he comes back from his run.18:03
SquOnkperlDreamer: The i18n/English/Asset.pm I'm using is the latest one according to SVN.18:09
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SquOnkperlDreamer: And yes, it seems to fix the i18n bug. The missing labels are there again.18:17
+bartjolSquOnk: I have IE available, need something tested?18:20
SquOnkbartjol: Fresh 7.6.35 install. Go to the Site Map. Change the Nav to Treenav.18:21
+bartjolooh, fresh 7.6.35 install18:22
SquOnkbartjol: Hover over links, they appear ok on the status bar. Click on them, no joy.18:22
+bartjolupgraded to it also good?18:22
SquOnkbartjol: Open in new window, joy. Open in new tab, joy.18:22
SquOnkbartjol: I guess. I've seen this since 7.6.30 something18:22
+bartjolah, wait, we have a demo server18:25
SquOnkThe Treenav template looks good to me. Besides, looking at the page source reveals the hrefs are right.18:26
SquOnkSo, either browser bug or YUI bug.18:26
+bartjolgrrr, IE gives me a reason to hate it again18:28
SquOnkHow so?18:29
+bartjolit sees the drop down menu as pop up, and keeps blocking, si I can't select18:29
SquOnklol18:30
+bartjoland that is while turned off18:32
+bartjolthis is ridiculous18:33
+bartjolhow can people work with that *(#^(!)^$)*%#!%$)!@$ browser18:33
+bartjolwell, it seems killing explorer.exe isn't a good idea18:42
+bartjolcool18:43
SquOnklol18:43
+bartjolgot it running again18:44
+bartjol, but restarting IE did not work, the pop up blocker, on the contrary works perfectly fine, even with allow for this website and when it's turned off18:44
+bartjolreboot?18:45
@Haargany particular version of ie you need to test?18:45
SquOnkNone at all.18:46
SquOnkHaarg: Just to verify if the behaviour I'm seeing is not browser related.18:46
+bartjoldiner time18:47
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@Haargtree navigation template works for me in ie618:48
SquOnkHaarg: Hm18:51
SquOnkHaarg: If I click on the links, they don't work, but if I use "Open Link", "Open Link in new Tab" or "Open Link in new Window", it does work.18:52
@Haargwhat browser?18:52
SquOnkHaarg: Firefox Linux/Windows, Epiphany and Konqueror.18:52
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+perlDreamerpreaction: re this bug http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/10817 , would it be evil to have the DataTable eval macros in its internal data, or is merely i18n'ing the initial defaults enough?19:16
@preactionfor now, i18n of the initial defaults is enough19:18
+perlDreamerSquOnk: tree nav works for me n 7.6.3519:20
+perlDreamertesting the released 7.6.35.1 next19:20
SquOnkperlDreamer: The i18n bug was fixed with the SVN version of i18n/English/Asset.pm19:24
+perlDreamerGood.  I read that in the backlogs19:25
KlausHhi, have an upgrade question. have now successful upgraded to webgui 7.4.21 with wre 0.7.2. wre gotcha says for versions 7.4.22 and newer I need at least wre082. I think its because JSON 2.xx.  Can I skip wre 8.xx and continue with wre 0.9.3?19:33
+perlDreamerSquOnk: 7.6.35.1 works, too19:34
+perlDreamer(after the Asset fix, of course)19:35
+perlDreamerKlausH: that note about the WRE is about JSON 2.xx19:36
SquOnkperlDreamer: The missing labels work after the fix, yes.19:36
+perlDreamermake a good backup of where you are now, and then proceed carefully19:36
SquOnkperlDreamer: I can't get the Navtree to work though. Browser related, then?19:36
+perlDreamerSquOnk, which FF are you using?19:36
+perlDreamernm, you tried 3 browsers19:36
+perlDreamerthe next step is to try a demo site19:36
SquOnkperlDreamer: 3.0.6 on Debian19:37
+perlDreamerdemo.webgui.org19:37
+perlDreamerif you can duplicate it there, and it works for someone else on the same site, it is definitely not a WebGUI issue19:37
SquOnkperlDreamer: It works in the demo :/19:40
+perlDreamerthen it could be a component of WebGUI that is different in Debian, from the core19:48
+perlDreamerlike YUI19:48
SquOnkperlDreamer: Well, in Debian we have YUI 2.719:53
SquOnk2.7.0b to be exact19:53
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+perlDreamerand WebGUI uses 2.6.019:53
SquOnkperlDreamer: That could be the problem. However, there's no way to go back to YUI 2.6 in Debian :/19:54
+perlDreamerso now it's either a bug in how WebGUI will use YUI 2.7 in the future, or a bug in YUI 2.719:54
SquOnkHeh19:55
@Haargeven excluding incompatibility in the actual yui code, some of the files we use are named different things between 2.6 and 2.719:55
+perlDreamerthat is true19:55
SquOnkLet's see19:55
+perlDreamerSquOnk, does Firebug tell you anything useful?19:55
SquOnkperlDreamer: Haven't used Firebug yet...19:56
SquOnkWait a minute19:56
+perlmonkey2can someone with mercy remind me what the wre does when you setup a new site as a dev only env?20:00
@Haargautomatically creates one site for you, and sets the number of processes to start lower20:01
+perlmonkey2Haarg: groovy, thansk20:01
+perlmonkey2thanks even20:01
SquOnkperlDreamer: 2.7's treenav is different than 2.6's20:07
SquOnkperlDreamer: But as far as I've read, the parts of the API webgui's using have not changed20:07
SquOnkperlDreamer: Beats me :-(20:15
+perlDreamerme, too20:15
SquOnkperlDreamer: http://yuilibrary.com/projects/yui2/ticket/252772020:16
SquOnkNot our fault ;-)20:16
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wgGuest05Hi20:20
SquOnkperlDreamer: And it doesn't look like being fixed in the near future20:20
+perlDreamerSquOnk, not until the 2.8.0 release20:21
+perlDreameralthough the patch can be pulled from their git repo20:21
SquOnkperlDreamer: Oh well20:21
wgGuest05Why WEBGUI is better that JOOMLA?20:21
SquOnkTrick question <g>20:21
SquOnkperlDreamer: Yes. I could apply that patch.20:21
SquOnkperlDreamer: I guess you should go ahead and do the 7.5.35.2 with the i18n fix and let me worry about YUI 2.7 b0rk3ness20:22
+perlDreamerSquOnk, I'll be blocking on free time until tomorrow night20:22
+perlDreamerthen I can make a new community release20:22
SquOnkperlDreamer: Great.20:22
+perlDreamermaybe when people read about this, they won't complain about our bug patching policy any more?20:23
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+perlDreamerwgGuest05, for doing good comparisons of WebGUI vs Joomla, I suggest you use the cmsmatrix.org website20:24
+perlDreamerafternoon, bopbop!20:24
@bopbophi perlDreamer20:24
wgGuest05And your opinion?20:24
wgGuest05I like to know your point of view. If is possible.20:25
+perlDreamerwgGuest05, to be fair, I have never used any PHP based CMS. I started using WebGUI because it's written in Perl.20:25
+perlDreamerThe Group system is very powerful, and allows deep nesting of groups20:25
+perlDreamerThe macro system puts lots of flexibility into the hands of users20:25
+perlDreamerWebGUI aims to be very broad in nature, from personal websites up to large businesses and governments20:26
+perlDreameryou can find lots of programs that do any 1 part better, but for a solid package, I don't think WebGUI can be beat.20:26
+perlDreamerDownsides to WebGUI are that it requires shell access on a server to install it.20:27
+perlDreamerThe learning curve to get all the power is very steep (but there is free and for-pay documentation available)20:27
wgGuest05Ok, is good razons for me. I will test it. thanks20:28
+perlDreamerwgGuest05: you can test quickly and easily by using the demo server20:29
+perlDreamerdemo.webgui.org for our stable version, and beta.webgui.org for the new, up-and-coming version20:29
wgGuest05I see this option. But I need to know life cicle implementation, include installation. Thanks20:30
+perlDreamerwhat kind of machine will you be installing it on?20:31
wgGuest05Some linux hosting services. But you have any recomendation?20:34
+perlDreamerI would recommend using the WebGUI Runtime Environment instead of a source install.20:35
+perlDreamerit's designed to make installing WebGUI easy.20:35
+perlDreamerand for good performance as well20:36
wgGuest05Nice.20:36
+perlDreameralthough, if you use Debian, there is a debian package for WebGUI available20:36
+perlDreamerbopbop, Mrs. Dreamer wanted me to ask you if you'd gotten her email about going out at the WUC?20:38
@bopbopperlDreamer: I didn't20:43
@bopbopwhen was it sent?20:43
+perlDreamer1.5-2 weeks ago20:43
@bopbopoh... no ;(20:43
+perlDreamerbut she's been having ISP problems20:43
@bopbopask her to send it again and I'll respond20:43
+perlDreamerno problem.20:44
@preactionyay! HelpDesk returns me to the correct tab after I close the new tab20:44
+perlmonkey2hmm, wre comes with imagemagick but the latest webgui requires and update which the wre cpan tries to use the system magick instead fo the wre magick (I believe).  ANyone else ran into this issue?20:45
+perlDreamertry installing libgomp?20:45
+perlDreameraside from that problem, I've had no problems with WRE 0.9.320:46
+perlmonkey2libgomp is installed and up to date :(20:46
+perlmonkey2hah, magically testEnvironment is now passing.  No idea, but I'll take it.20:47
+perlmonkey2maybe it was just magick.xs that was failing.20:47
@Haargthat could be selinux20:48
+perlmonkey2it's turned off :(20:48
+perlDreameralmost sounds like setenvironment.sh wasn't run20:48
+perlmonkey2it's ran.  in my bash_profile20:49
+perlmonkey2env shows the correct vars20:49
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, if it's in root's bash_profile, it will break yum on CentOS 5.320:49
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: hmm, I've had no problem with yum20:50
+perlmonkey2how does it break it?20:50
+perlDreamerthere's something incompatible with parsing XML20:50
+perlDreamerI did it on two different VM's20:51
+perlDreamerand the only thing that fixed it was to not run setenv in root's bashrc20:51
+perlDreamermaybe it's different/better in bash_profile?20:51
+perlmonkey2no idea and not sure why that would change anything?20:52
* perlDreamer doesn't know20:52
+perlmonkey2maybe the order in which they are added to the env?20:52
+perlDreamercould be20:52
* perlmonkey2 speculates uselessly some more :P20:52
* perlDreamer would rather have it in a profile so I don't keep forgetting to run it ;)20:52
+perlmonkey2hmm, now to get /etc/hosts ironed out.  I'm guessin that's my last issue because 127.0.0.1:9080 doesn't work, but elinks localhost from the VM does work.20:53
+perlmonkey2am I an idiot or putting in /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 dev.localhost.localdomain for both my host and virt instances, and then forwarding 80 to 80 on the virt instance, that should work, right?21:05
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9442227 / (3 files in 3 dirs): i18n the New Column and Value entries. Fixes #10817. - http://bit.ly/ZHAao21:08
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+perlDreamerI need to go shopping and make lunch for the kids.  Any last second questions before I go?21:36
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elnino_hmm. I thought webgui ran on windows?22:02
@preactionit does, we just don't support it anymore22:02
+BartJolvia a vmware appliance22:02
elnino_ah. ok.22:02
elnino_I thought I remembered seeing it no the website, just couldn't find it. That would explain it.22:03
+BartJolwell, that way you can have it supported22:03
elnino_I haven't dealt much at all with vmware.22:03
+BartJolhaven't used that installation neither22:04
@Haargwe used to have a wre for windows, but the amount of hours it took to keep it working wasn't worth it.22:04
elnino_looking at wre http://sourceforge.net/projects/pbwebgui/files/WebGUI%20Runtime%20Environment/, what is: sles?22:06
+BartJolsuse?22:06
@Haargsuse linux enterprise server22:06
elnino_ah. good.22:06
+BartJoland it seems that the redhat package works fine on mandriva too22:07
+BartJoland the debian does it fine for ubuntu desktop22:08
elnino_and osx - that's machintosh right?22:08
@Haargyes22:08
+BartJoloh, I see that the debian package isn't on sourceforge22:08
elnino_yeah, i was just looking at that and wondering...22:08
elnino_ubuntu is there22:09
+BartJolhttp://www.webgui.nl/leden/downloads22:09
+BartJolthat's ubuntu server22:09
+BartJolat that url is the deb package22:09
+BartJolbe sure to read install instructions, it saves some rtfm moments22:11
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+BartJoloh Haarg, I saw some install instructions for mandriva, maybe it's worth to put that in the wre install.txt file22:12
+BartJolin the wiki that is22:12
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+BartJolKlausH: I made some reactions to your upgrade posts, not sure they help, but it might22:55
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+perlmonkey2just cant seem to figure out my networking issues.  I can get my web browser to connect to the sshd server on my virt instance, but it won't connect to webgui.  But I can connect to webgui from a client on the virt instance. 23:02
+BartJoleeeh perlmonkey2, my first idea is firewall, but I suppose you checked that multiple times23:03
+perlmonkey2which should have been my first clue that iptables wasn't allowing port 80 traffic through :P23:03
+perlmonkey2BartJol: no, being a certified idiot, I did not.23:03
+BartJolwell, you're a great man, admitting your mistakes23:04
+perlmonkey2that's not a mistake, that is an epic failure of imagination!23:04
+perlmonkey2but at least now I have a virtual instance going that I'll never ever have to set up again.23:04
+perlmonkey2speaking of I need to back it up :P23:04
+BartJolcan't you make a template of it23:05
* SDuensin has flashbacks to the Apollo 1 inquery.23:05
+perlmonkey2of a virtual centos5.3?23:05
+perlmonkey2SDuensin: hah23:05
SDuensin:-)23:05
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+BartJolwell, we can do it in xen23:05
+BartJolI believe for each install you make23:06
+perlmonkey2BartJol: I'm using xen right now.  I guess I should have read up more before making this instance.23:06
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+perlDreamerHaarg:  How do I "unsuck" the spectre pid file?23:11
@Haarghave spectre use /var/run/spectre.pid by default if it isn't specified in the config23:12
@Haargand make sure the gotcha entry is clear about what users have to do23:12
+perlDreamerwill do23:12
+perlDreamersvn rev 1222823:24
+perlDreamerSince this is the 2nd complaint against that gotcha text, I'd rather not close it until it's reviewed by several people.23:25
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4c0f971 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt docs/gotcha.txt sbin/spectre.pl): Use a default location for spectre.pid, tweak the gotchas text. Addresses bug #10822. - http://bit.ly/n5Rs623:32
@Haargit seems fine to me23:34
+perlDreamerin this situation Haarg, you count as several people23:38
@Haargit might be good to tweak the behavior of the pid file handling though.  spectre should probably clean the pid file up itself when it ends instead of relying on the calling program.23:38
@Haargi'll take care of that though if i decide it bugs me enough.23:38
+perlDreamerokay23:38
+perlDreamertell me more about the suspected timing issue in IE6 with "ask user about rich editor"23:38
+perlDreamerdo I just need to delay the loading via an event?23:39
@Haargpossibly23:39
+perlDreamerit's odd that it throws a warning, then proceeds to work just fine23:39
@Haargor find an alternate approach to initializing then disabling immediately.23:39
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SquOnkhttp://www.webgui.org/use/community-wiki/installing-webgui-in-debian00:06
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+TheBeastIsBackSquOnk: cool00:08
+perlDreamerYo, beastie00:09
+TheBeastIsBackmmm, just exhibited my worst driving so far00:09
+TheBeastIsBackyo00:09
+TheBeastIsBacksup, homie?00:10
* perlDreamer is chillin'00:10
+perlDreamera bunch of da boyz are dissin' my docs, but ya know00:10
+TheBeastIsBackneed more reviewers?00:11
+perlDreamersure!00:11
+TheBeastIsBackaren't line 45 and 50 in contradiction?00:13
+TheBeastIsBackthe location00:13
+perlDreamerwell, by default it will use /var/run/spectre.pid00:14
+perlDreamerthat no longer has to be in the spectre.conf file00:14
+perlDreamerif you want to use a different location, it must be changed in the spectre.conf file00:14
+TheBeastIsBackok, but why is /data/wre/var/run added then?00:15
+TheBeastIsBackit isn't commented00:15
+TheBeastIsBackin the real option00:15
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+TheBeastIsBackyou name a default, but override it by default00:16
+TheBeastIsBackwhich isn't bad, but it sounds weird00:17
+TheBeastIsBacklet' start again00:18
+TheBeastIsBacknormally, programs use a pid file in /var/run00:18
+TheBeastIsBackam I correct?00:18
SquOnkTheBeastIsBack: Yep, that's FHS compliant00:19
+TheBeastIsBackbut in the conf, that is overriden, but that is not mentioned00:19
+TheBeastIsBackonly that you have the possibilty00:19
+TheBeastIsBacknot that it is already done00:20
+perlDreamerit is not already done?00:20
+perlDreamerthe gotcha file shows how to change the pid file location00:20
+TheBeastIsBackah, maybe I misread, I thought line 50 was not commented00:21
+perlDreamerline 50 of the gotcha file is not commented.  It shows the user how to use a different pid file location00:22
+perlDreamerone that might be WRE specific00:22
+TheBeastIsBackif it is not, spectre.conf overrides the /var/run/spectre.pid default00:22
+TheBeastIsBackor am I mistaken in that bit00:23
+perlDreamerif you were to paste line 50 into spectre.conf, then it would override the code default of /var/run/spectre.pid00:23
+TheBeastIsBacksorry, I am stupid00:23
+TheBeastIsBackit is the gotcha file00:23
+perlDreamerI don't think you're stupid, Beastie.  It's my poor writing.00:24
+TheBeastIsBackno, my bad reading00:24
+TheBeastIsBackit clearly states gotcha.txt00:24
+TheBeastIsBacknot spectre.conf00:24
+TheBeastIsBackoh, I haven't heard a deadline for sending in presentations, is there one?00:26
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+perlDreamernot that I know of00:26
+TheBeastIsBackdoes PB staff know more about that00:27
+TheBeastIsBackI have some finishing touches to do00:27
+perlDreamerthey should know00:32
+perlDreamerask Jamie00:32
+perlDreameror Kristi00:32
+TheBeastIsBackemailed Jamie00:34
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+perlDreamerHaarg, I have a solution for IE 6 and FF 3.0.5!00:54
+perlDreameruh, 3.0.1000:54
+perlDreamercould you check out Safari for me?00:55
+perlDreamerI'll check FF 2, IE 7 and Opera first, though00:55
@Haargi can test anything you need00:55
@Haargi suppose i should set up a firefox 3 install so can test with that00:56
SquOnkHaarg: Mosaic? <g>00:56
@Haargi can test everything we support :)00:57
+perlDreamerwe have a browser support policy?00:57
@Haargyes00:58
* SquOnk pondering where to go get some beer00:58
@Haargalthough i don't remember what it is at the moment00:58
SquOnkMan, I'd love to have a Hoegaarden Grand Cru or a Leffe Blonde... but my choices are bad beer and worst beer.00:59
+BartJolSquOnk: like dutch and begian beers?01:02
SquOnkBartJol: Hell yes.01:02
SquOnkBartJol: I used to go to a bar named Wildeman near The Dam. 200+ beers01:03
+BartJolwill you make it to the wuc?01:03
SquOnkBartJol: I got to try over 150.01:03
SquOnkBartJol: Nah, can't make it.01:03
+BartJolah, I am bringing some for preaction01:03
@preactionsweet01:03
+BartJolI remembered01:04
SquOnkThat's good beer.01:04
SquOnkI even traveled from A'dam to Antwerp only to sit at the Hoegaarden brewery for over five hours...01:04
+BartJol:)01:04
SquOnkWe only have pilseners here.01:04
SquOnkAnd not that good either.01:05
+BartJolthere are better breweries in belgium, but hoegaarden is fine too01:05
+perlDreamerHaarg, prototype fix committed01:05
SquOnk...besides being hit by the "light beer" trend01:05
+perlDreamerit passed on all my browsers, please feel free to beat it up01:05
+BartJolthe german white's are better imho01:05
+BartJoleeh, that sounds dubious01:06
KlausHHi, my next upgrade Question: Problems with Image::Magick. Self compiled WRE 0.93. Trying to upgrade from webgui 7.4.21 to 7.4.22. Error: You must have Image::Magic installed. But I think its installed and works... Any hints?01:10
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5a9f9f4 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/RichEdit.pm): Make "ask user about using rich edit" work on IE6. Fixes #10808 (I hope). - http://bit.ly/L0yhH01:11
@Haargwhat os/distro?01:11
KlausHOpenSuse 11.101:12
KlausH32bit01:12
@Haargand what do you get from running /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl -MImage::Magick -le'print Image::Magick->VERSION'01:13
KlausHCan't locate auto/Image/Magick/Version.al in @INC (@INC contains: /data/WebGUI/lib /data/WebGUI/lib /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.10.0/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.10.0 /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0 .) at -e line 101:14
KlausHHmmm...01:15
@HaargVersion ?01:15
@Haargdid you have the capitalization correct in what you ran?01:15
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KlausHSorry, missspelled "Version" - how can you know...01:18
KlausHVersion is 6.5.201:18
@Haargso it is able to load properly.  odd that it's being complained about.01:19
@Haargthe two things to test through the site to see if it is working is uploading an image using file pile and see if it generates the thumbnail properly01:20
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@Haargand enabling the captcha for user registration and testing that01:20
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KlausHthumbnail geration works. but my problem was the upgrade script (and btw testEnvironment)01:25
+perlmonkey2wgd edit root/import/survey/default-section-edit01:33
+perlmonkey2no such file or directory.....any ideas on the issue?01:33
+perlDreamerwrong url?01:34
+perlDreamerwhat does wgd ls root/import/survey say?01:34
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: wgd edit: root/import/survey: No such asset01:35
+perlDreamerthen your site is borken01:37
@Haargwgd edit root/import/survey/default-survey-edit works with my default 7.7 site01:38
+perlmonkey2Haarg: i get that isn't a valid asset :(01:39
+perlDreamerwgd edit root/import/survey should let you edit the Folder that contains all the Survey templates, js and css snippets01:39
+perlmonkey2I'm at head, wre 9.3, and just build the wgd.01:39
+perlmonkey2built01:39
+perlDreamerhow does that site look in a browser?01:39
+perlmonkey2just fine01:39
+perlDreamerthen navigate in the Asset Manager over to Root / Import and see if there's a Survey Folder01:40
+perlDreamerif there is, you have wgd problems01:40
+perlDreamerif there's not, then you have other problems01:40
+perlDreamerare you running wgd from inside the WebGUI source tree?01:40
@Haargwhat about wgd ls root ?01:40
+perlmonkey2Haarg: no such asset01:41
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: nope01:41
+perlmonkey2yes01:41
+perlDreamerwgd needs help finding /data/WebGUI01:41
@Haarghrm01:41
+perlmonkey2do I need an env set?01:41
@Haargit should be giving you an error about not being able to find webgui root01:41
+perlDreamerwgd intro01:42
+perlmonkey2intro shows the man pags01:42
+perlmonkey2page01:42
+perlmonkey2oh01:42
+perlmonkey2Getting Started clears this all up01:42
+perlDreamerHaarg, it doesn't.01:43
+perlDreamerit just says "No such file or directory"01:43
+perlmonkey2yes, it doesn't01:43
@Haarg[gknop@cuneus ~]$ wgd ls root01:44
@HaargNo WebGUI root directory available.01:44
@Haargi'll continue looking at it01:44
+perlmonkey2you should commit that then :D01:44
@Haargi haven't changed anything01:44
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+perlDreamerhere's the setup01:46
+perlDreamerI did an unset on WEBGUI_CONFIG01:46
+perlDreamermoved over to my home directory01:46
+perlDreamerI have no wgdevcfg file01:47
+perlDreamerwgd ls says "No such file or directory"01:47
+perlmonkey2setting root/config "fixed" wgd for me :)01:47
@Haargand that's all it says?01:48
+perlDreamerthat's all it says01:49
@Haargthat's a very unhelpful error message :/01:49
+perlDreamerthere's no action01:49
@Haargbut help/intro/commands work?01:49
+perlDreameryes01:51
@Haargjust tried on a random server and it gave me 'No WebGUI root directory available.'01:53
@Haargdoes wgd reset give you the same thing?01:54
@Haargjust 'wgd reset'01:55
+perlDreameryes01:56
@Haargwhat is the exact message you get?01:56
+perlDreamerNo such file or directory01:56
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+perlDreamerhow does my ask fix look on Safari?02:00
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@HaargperlDreamer, seems to work02:09
+perlDreamercool!02:09
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd0dd47a / (docs/gotcha.txt sbin/spectre.pl): Define what I want the user to do in the gotcha's file, and in the spectre error messages.02:12
@Haargcan you apply http://gist.github.com/174295 this patch to wgd and then run 'WGDEV_DEBUG=1 wgd ls' ?02:12
@Haargi'm heading out, but i'll check scrollback when i'm back02:14
+perlDreamerexact same output: No such file or directory02:16
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+perlDreamercongratulations, patspam!  You made it!02:34
+patspamalmost man! today is the day...02:34
+patspamhand-over this afternoon...02:34
+patspamholding my breath =p02:34
+perlDreamerwell, if you become anxious about it, you know a good resource for handling it...02:35
+patspamheh indeed :)02:36
@HaargperlDreamer, you still around?03:47
+perlDreamerstill lurking about03:47
+perlDreamerwith the patch applied, exactly the same output03:47
+perlDreamerNo such file or directory03:47
+perlDreamerHowever, my JSON collateral aspect is coming along nicely03:47
@Haarghttp://gist.github.com/17434203:47
@Haargcan you try that patch?03:48
+perlDreamerhttp://gist.github.com/17434303:49
+perlDreamerdid that help at all?03:53
@Haarghopefully it will03:53
@Haargok03:54
@Haargvery strange03:54
+perlDreamerwhat have I done to WGDev?03:54
@Haargso the correct exception is getting thrown03:55
@Haargbut it's using the wrong error message03:55
+perlDreamercould I have a bad/old/different version of Exception::Class?03:55
@Haargi don't see how that could cause this, but might as well check03:56
@Haargwhat version do you have?03:56
+perlDreamer12403:56
+perlDreamer1.2403:56
@Haargi have 1.2903:57
+perlDreamerWebGUI exceptions and tests seem to work okay03:57
+perlDreamerlet me upgrade03:57
@Haargthat will do it03:58
@Haarg<1.27 is broken03:58
@Haarg'The error message for an exception no longer defaults to $!. This was a bad idea, and has bitten some people. Addresses RT #43600.'03:58
+perlDreamerwe recommend 1.26 in testEnvironment.pl03:59
+perlDreamerand that's what ships with 0.9.303:59
+perlDreamerlet's see how the rest of WebGUI handles that module upgrade04:00
+perlDreamergetting called to dinner04:01
+perlDreamerbe back in 20-3004:02
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* perlDreamer is back04:27
CIA-53wgdev: Graham Knop master * rb822767 / lib/WGDev/Command/Intro.pm : fix pod docs in Intro command - http://bit.ly/uDBcR04:27
CIA-53wgdev: Graham Knop master * r223ac90 / lib/WGDev/X.pm : can now set WGDEV_DEBUG to get full trace for WGDev exceptions - http://bit.ly/cuKif04:27
CIA-53wgdev: Graham Knop master * r938d4e1 / lib/WGDev/X.pm : add workaround for old bad versions of Exception::Class - http://bit.ly/Hb9Ln04:27
@Haargjust in time04:27
+perlDreamerwhat do we about about WebGUI/WRE?04:29
@Haargwe don't rely on that functionality for webgui04:29
@Haargit's only because in several places i have a bare ->throw with no params04:30
+perlDreamerah, I see04:30
@Haargand i have it set up to default to the description in those cases04:30
@Haargi assume we will upgrade it in the future, and then i'll probably remove that code and set a hard min version04:31
+perlDreamerhttp://gist.github.com/17438304:32
+perlDreamerthat's from the Spanish translation, Asset_WikiMaster04:33
@preactioner... that's... wrong04:33
@Haargyeah04:33
@Haargmust be old04:33
@Haargthat is written using Data::Dumper now04:33
@Haargso it couldn't end up like that04:33
+perlDreamerI just exported that today04:34
+perlDreamerit's that way in SVN, too04:34
@Haargyeah, but it must be from a bug in an older version of the translation server04:34
@Haargall export does is make a tarball04:35
@Haargso we'll want to fix it in svn, but i'm not sure what else there would be to do04:35
@Haargsvn and of the filesystem on the translation server that is04:35
@Haarg*and on04:35
+perlDreamerI don't suppose you have a skeleton of a fix-up script made for iterating over all the modules in every language, do you?04:37
@Haargnope04:38
+perlDreamerwell, probably about time someone made one, then ;)04:38
@Haargpossibly, although it should be a one time use kind of thing04:38
+perlDreamerlet me finish checking out how wG is doing without the Spanish translation installed, and I'll get starrted on it04:38
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@Haargdid you ever get a chance to look over the wgdev intro docs?04:40
+perlDreameryes.  I noticed one thing that I wanted to add, that was later added04:41
+perlDreamerand that was a way to get a list of all the commands04:41
+perlDreamerI'd add the --upgrade switch in the intro docs.  That's massively useful.04:42
+perlDreamerI also noticed the blank line below "help" in the list of commands, but I see now that it is intentional04:47
@Haargyes04:48
+perlDreameryou write good docs, Haarg04:48
@Haargalthough i also noticed after forgetting that i had added it in and it took me a minute to realize why it was there04:48
@Haargso i may adjust that some04:48
+perlDreamerGuid and Id have exactly the same description04:49
+perlDreamerwell, almost04:49
@Haargthe commands?04:49
+perlDreameryes04:49
@Haargthere is no Id command04:49
+perlDreamerhttp://gist.github.com/17439104:49
@Haargpossibly an old version or something.  i don't remember if that was renamed at some point.04:50
@Haargthe command list is autodetected04:50
+perlDreameryes.  I wrote an Id a long time ago04:50
+perlDreamerI wanted to quickly go from base64 to hex, to look up storage locations04:52
+perlDreamerand also to validate Ids04:52
@Haargdid you give it to patspam?04:52
+perlDreamerno, I should04:52
@Haargwell04:53
@Haargi got the guid command from him04:53
+perlDreamerpatspam: are your ears burning?04:53
+patspamaye :)04:53
@Haargall it does is generate guid though04:53
@Haargso you should add your stuff into the guid command04:54
+perlDreamerwhat do you think of merging this very old, bad attempt at a WGdev plugin with your Guid module? http://gist.github.com/17439404:54
+patspamlooks good04:54
@Haargi might try to do the top two items on the issues list, but other than that i think wgdev is ready for a 0.4.0 release04:57
+patspamshould be able to merge it an still keep guid as the most trivial plugin04:57
+perlDreamerbut gaining in power and status04:58
CIA-53wgdev: Patrick Donelan master * ra349a8c / lib/WGDev/Command/Mail.pm : Added Mail command, for testing the wg Mail API - http://bit.ly/4m5gAQ04:58
CIA-53wgdev: Graham Knop master * rb97405a / lib/WGDev/Command/Mail.pm : Merge commit 'pdonelan/mail' - http://bit.ly/Jh15o04:58
@Haargso my latest idea which i may or may not get working05:00
@Haargis to have the reset command create a webgui session and inject a cookie for it into your browser05:00
daviddelikatpreaction: what is the code look like to turn off debug messages?05:04
@preaction$session->log->preventDebugOutput(1) i think05:04
@Haargyou don't even need the 105:05
+patspamHaarg: that'd be awesome05:05
daviddelikatthanks05:05
@Haargit shouldn't be too hard to do for firefox at least05:05
@Haargsafari i don't know yet05:05
@Haarganyway, i'm off.  might be on later05:06
+patspamcan I already set settings so that reset sets the admin user's email?05:06
@Haargmaybe05:06
+perlDreamerwgd settings that I wrote, is output only05:06
@Haargit has an option to run util other commands05:06
@Haargsettings can set settings now05:07
+perlDreamernice :)05:07
@Haargand retrieve them via wildcard05:07
+patspamwas someone working on a wgd shell?05:07
+perlDreamerdaviddelikat was, iirc05:07
+patspamyeah I thought I saw something05:08
+perlDreamerI actually thought of something else I wanted to do via wgd the other day05:08
@Haargi have a branch for it, don't remember if i pushed it or not05:08
daviddelikatI put together a simple shell, you want a copy?05:08
@Haargnow that everything is exceptions instead of using exit a shell can be made much cleaner05:08
+perlDreamerit wasn't diff05:08
+patspamyeah! i'd love to have a REPL console where I could call the wg API with a pre-instantiated session object05:08
+patspamis that what your shell does?05:09
@Haargpatspam, check out my wgsh branch in github05:10
daviddelikatit just keeps the wgd tool loaded between commands05:10
@Haargit hasn't been updated since i made all the exception changes05:10
@Haargand it didn't even work before then05:10
@Haargbut it's a simple start05:10
daviddelikatonly has minor issues that I know of05:10
@Haargwhat you were saying with a REPL shell would be very nice as well05:11
daviddelikatwhats REPL?05:11
@Haargread, eval, print, loop05:11
@Haarganyway, heading out for real this time05:12
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daviddelikatso it would be sort of a WG emersion shell?05:12
+perlDreameryes05:12
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+perlDreamerGruss Gott, Herr Hertle05:24
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elninoout of curiousity, is there a way to provide the product url of the listing in a matrix on the main matrix template? what would be the template variable for this? I do not see any listing loop in the help file. I'm running 7.6.2707:22
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+bartjolKlausH: did my forum posts help for a bit?13:45
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+bartjolHi hansw16:09
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hanswhe Bart16:30
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elninoGood morning! out of curiousity, is there a way to provide the product url of the listing in a matrix on the main matrix template? what would be the template variable for this? I do not see any listing loop in the help file. I'm running 7.6.2716:43
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+bartjolthe getlistings call is done in the view method elnino16:50
+bartjolbut that does not cotain tmpl vars16:50
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+bartjolit is a loop16:55
+bartjolwhich contains hashrefs16:57
+bartjolI am looking in 7.7.18 though16:58
+bartjolelnino you can try to get these vars in a listings loop:             assetData.title,16:59
+bartjol            assetData.url,16:59
+bartjol            listing.assetId,16:59
+bartjol            listing.views,16:59
+bartjol            listing.compares,16:59
+bartjol            listing.clicks,16:59
+bartjol            listing.lastUpdated16:59
+bartjolin <tmpl_loop listing_loop>17:00
+bartjolit does not seem to be in the helpfile though17:05
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elninoThank you bartjol. I'll see if ti works in my version.  Did you find that info in a wiki?18:19
+bartjolno, in the code18:20
+bartjol(www_view in Matrix.pm)18:20
+bartjolwhich refers to getListings18:21
+bartjoland the sql query does not give a select x as y, so I suspect the var names are related to the sql fieldnames18:22
@Haargpreaction, are you using xchat aqua?18:24
ckotilDoes the developer wre not do so much caching?18:25
ckotilbc i was wracking my brain against my screen yesterday about some simple html thickbox popup i couldnt get to work, and i guess it was due to caching bc it works now.18:25
@Haargcaching is no different in the wre if you choose development mode18:25
ckotilthe html and javascript gets served up by a macro18:25
ckotilhrm, then what does dev mode offer?18:26
@Haargit changes the number of processes started18:26
elninook. thanks bartjol. I'll write a wiki after I try it tonight. Thanks much!18:26
+perlmonkey2preaction: how did you set up your modern env?  on your mac with a different env setting?18:27
+perlmonkey2just install 5.10.1 as an alternative and use it?18:28
+bartjolelnino: ok, I hope it works, haven't tried it myself, but code browsing should help you some further in this case18:30
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+danny_mkHello everyone18:42
elninohowdy18:43
+danny_mkI am a little confused about something.  Is http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7e335517 normal behavior18:44
+danny_mkI understand that the configuration should list all the IP addresses18:45
+danny_mkshould I be allowing "Spectre workflow data load request" from external IP addresses?18:46
AMH_henrydanny_mk: which ip is configured in spectre.conf?18:51
+danny_mkThe internal ones, I got that right.  My question has to do more with security.  I am not sure if I am supposed to allow external IP addresses to request "Sepctre workflow dataload reqeusts"18:53
+danny_mkif it is not a problem then I can always add this ip address as the requesting IP address is the public IP address on the external network (proxy)18:53
AMH_henryif spectre is on internal ip then there is no need to open external access.18:56
+danny_mkright, that is what I thought19:01
+danny_mkWell, lets clarify that.  The webgui site is accessible to the outside world via port forwarding19:02
AMH_henryis spectre running on the same machine?19:02
@Haargspectre tries to connect using the hostname, so whatever ip that resolves to determines the route it will go through, and which ip the spectre request will show as coming from19:02
@Haargif it is on the same machine, you can either add that ip to the site config as an allowed spectre ip, or you could add the sitename to /etc/hosts pointing to 127.0.0.1 and the connections would always happen over the loopback19:03
+danny_mkyes, spectre is running on the same machine19:05
+danny_mkI like Haarg's idea of adding the entry to the /etc/hosts file19:06
AMH_henryyes, i think it's more secure to use loopback. if you add public ip then everyone can trigger your spectre workflows19:08
+danny_mkAH!  that is the answer I was looking for :-)19:08
+danny_mkThank you.19:08
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+perlDreamerGood morning, everybody.19:10
@Haargmorning19:10
+perlDreamernot bad.  Only 1 new posted bug19:15
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+perlmonkey2hah, setenvironmnent for the wre as root breaks root's yum updates.  Wrong shared xml parsing lib for python :P  FYI19:34
+perlmonkey2at least in cent5.319:34
+perlDreamerI've heard that, somewhere19:35
@HaargDYLD_LIBRARY_PATH causes problems elsewhere19:35
+perlDreamerHaarg, I closed the "I am the default Vendor" bug as not a bug.19:37
+perlDreamerI'm going to work on the lastUpdated => script next19:37
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SquOnkGreetings19:39
+perlDreamerHowdy, SquOnk19:39
SquOnkperlDreamer: So, is 7.6.35.2 on the making?19:44
+perlDreamertonight19:44
SquOnkperlDreamer: Excellent!19:44
+perlDreamerHaarg, I think it would be safest if we took the translation server down while I fix the data.  Is that possible?19:54
+perlDreameralso, I have the "script" done.  It's a perl 1-liner that I'll run on each language one at a time19:55
* perlDreamer heads off to the gym20:01
+perlDreamerI'll backlog20:01
@preactionHaarg: yes20:18
@preactionperlmonkey2: I compiled 5.10.1 into the WRE using --prefix=/data/wre/prereqs20:18
@Haargi just saw yesterday that someone is trying to restart development and there is an rc out if you weren't aware.20:18
@preactionooh nice20:18
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@preactionanyone else notice on the helpdesk that some tickets are impossible to respond to or edit?21:30
@Haarghaven't seen that.  you have an example ticket?21:31
@preactionHaarg: 11632, but it seems only when you see it from the main helpdesk (as a tab)21:32
@preactionif you open it in its own browser window, it works fine21:32
@preactionif i click on an Edit button ,nothing happens, and i can't click Post for a comment (it changes, but doesn't actually submit)21:33
@Haargclick edit on what?21:34
@preactionnext to Status21:34
@Haargi was able to change the status just fine21:35
@preactionfigures21:35
+perlDreamerit knows better than to mess with Haarg22:34
+perlDreamerHaarg: how's about shutting down the translation site while I work on the raw files?22:36
@Haargi doubt it is a huge deal either way22:37
+perlDreamerin that case, I'll just hack them on the site22:39
+perlDreamertranslations are all fixed23:06
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+perlDreamerpreaction: in the ThingyRecord, fieldPrice is JSON?23:54
@preactionyes23:54
@preactionit's individual field prices23:55
+perlDreameraside from Product, Survey, DataForm, Dataform_entry, Workflow Schedule, Workflow instance, Comments Aspect and ThingyRecord, any other ideas where to look?23:56
@preactionThingy itself maybe?23:56
@preactionotherwise dunno, i was thinking we'd create a test to make sure there are only longtext and no regular text items. we get bit by this for more than JSON23:57
+perlDreamerthat will cause other problems23:57
+perlDreamerlike in the Profile23:57
@preactionwhy? those fields should be longtext too23:58
+perlDreamerlongtext fields take up default space, and reduce the number of possible profile fields23:58
+perlDreamersteveo_aa got bit by that one a while ago23:58
+perlDreamergoogle for mysql maximum row size23:58
+perlDreamerThingy is okay23:59
@preactionThe maximum size of a row in a MyISAM table is 65,535 bytes. (However, each BLOB or TEXT column contributes only 9?12 bytes toward this size.)23:59
@preactionit's all the CHAR(255) that contribute more23:59
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+perlDreamersounds like we have 2 problems00:00
+perlDreamerone, JSON fields should be BIG00:00
+perlDreamertwo, Form/Control might need a better default00:00
+perlDreamerthe other thing about the bug you posted is that there's not really anyway to fix the data00:01
+perlDreameronce it's truncated, it's gone00:01
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+perlDreamerBartJol!  Ya big VIES workflow writing monter.00:02
+BartJoleeeh00:02
+BartJolalmost00:03
+BartJolI did work on it yesterday though00:03
+BartJolbut already fully booked his week to work more on it00:04
+BartJol5 almost full days of remodelling, visiting parents, sailing, even hardly time to drink beer and get in shape for the wuc00:07
+perlDreamersounds like fun :)00:08
+BartJolfun and tiring00:08
+perlDreamerBartJol: we fixed some bugs in the translations.  Dutch was fine (no bugs)00:08
+BartJoleeh, you checked my Dutch?00:09
+perlDreameronly the data structures00:09
+BartJolah00:09
+BartJolhow can that get wrong00:09
@Haargdid those problems actually cause any failures perlDreamer?00:09
+perlDreameryes00:09
+BartJoloh, elnino mentioned today something about the main matrix template variables. there is a listing loop in the code, but not in the help00:10
+perlDreamerseveral test failures, including syntaxCheck.t00:10
+perlDreamerBartJol, that should be posted as a bug00:10
+BartJolah00:10
@Haargwell, syntaxCheck i would expect since it is more strict than normal loading00:10
elninoI can post it as a bug. Thanks00:11
+perlDreamerthen I'll assign it to you to fix :)00:11
+BartJolelnino: did that loop work?00:13
+BartJolif it doesn't, I may have misread00:14
elninono, I haven't tried it yet. I wont' for another 8 hours.... =)00:15
+BartJolI see the loop on line 64900:15
+BartJoltry that first before reporting00:15
elninook will do.00:21
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+perlDreamerI've got all the JSON fields, preaction.00:24
@preactionok, cool00:24
+perlDreamerYou're really convinced that we should use it everywhere?00:24
@Haargis there really a downside?00:24
@Haargmediumtext should be good enough for most things, but it's a difference of one byte00:26
+perlDreamerit wasn't big enough for the DataForm entry data though.00:27
@Haargthe case he posted about was from text fields i believe, not mediumtext00:27
+perlDreamerentryData was mediumtext00:29
@HaargfieldConfiguration is not00:29
@Haarg'65535' is the length of text, not mediumtext.  so that error is definitely on a text field.00:30
+perlDreamercreate.sql says that entryData is mediumText00:30
@Haargexactly00:31
+perlDreamerand fieldConfig and tabConfig are both text00:31
@Haargbecause that error isn't about entryData00:31
@Haarggiven that it's only one byte difference though i'd say we go with longtext everywhere like preaction said00:33
+perlDreamerthere are performance penalties for using variable fields vs fixed fields. http://forums.mysql.com/read.php?24,251314,251314#msg-25131400:34
@preactionvariable fields are varchar as well. fixed fields are char()00:35
@Haargwe're only changing fields that are already variable length though, right?00:36
@preactionyes00:36
+perlDreamerHaarg, preaction: for review: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=1225200:44
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: were you still planning on looking at the IE6 edit problems with the Survey?00:45
@preactionlooks good00:46
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: working on it now.00:46
+perlmonkey2might even have it solved.00:46
+perlDreamerawesome!00:46
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: bah, it is all jacked up even if I do have it fixed.00:46
+perlmonkey2I'm not sure how it got this way, but it is oooogly.00:47
@Haargi don't see any problem with that patch00:47
+perlDreamerIt doesn't feel like the discussion is over, but I'll close out this bug for now.00:47
+perlDreamerpreaction: how's Codearea2 coming?00:51
+perlDreamerthis is really pretty cool00:51
+perlDreamerwe have about 5 core bugs on the list00:51
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7fcb339 / (5 files in 4 dirs): 00:51
CIA-53webgui: Upgrade all database tables that use JSON to be LONGTEXT instead of what they were.00:51
CIA-53webgui: Addresses bug #10825 - http://bit.ly/nqYsP00:51
+perlDreamerand 3 of them are being handled by community members00:52
+perlDreamerYung has the userProfile bug, Bart has the VIES retry workflow, and perlmonkey2+optional windmill attachments is working on the IE6 rendering bug00:52
+perlmonkey2I hate YUI.  This would all be so easy with the GWT.00:53
+BartJolhey I got a bug00:56
+perlDreamerno charge, BartJol.  Just be sure to either have it done by next Thursday, September 3, or let us know so we can take a stab at fixing it.00:58
+BartJolwell, monday evening is my programming/bug fixing time00:59
+BartJolIf I have the feeling monday, I won't make it, I'll post the code I made and notify on irc01:00
+perlDreamercool.  That will be very helpful01:00
+BartJoland I'm trying to convince JT for implementing my international stuff01:03
+BartJoloh perlDreamer if it gets approved, can I borrow you for some testwriting during the hackathon01:07
+perlDreamershouldn't be a problem :)01:08
+BartJolor during the 3 hour wait during making the stew01:08
+BartJolwell, I got an approval, so I got you booked, prolly need some time with JT, he has some ideas for a better implementation it seems01:10
+BartJolnighty nigthy folks01:15
+perlDreamerlater, BartJol :)01:17
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+perlDreamerelnino: do you have a sec to try a Linux::Smaps fix?01:18
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elninoperlDreamer. No..  but email me the info and I'll try to try it tonight.01:48
* elnino goes to a picnic01:49
+perlDreamer okay, you should get it via the bug board soon01:49
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SDuensinHey!  I learned something very interesting that would benefit WebGUI's shop...02:59
SDuensiniTransact *can* do a recurring (subscription) transaction that the payment amount changes monthly.02:59
* SDuensin cheers! 02:59
SDuensinThat's going to make my life SO MUCH easier.  :-)02:59
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SDuensinHey patspam 03:29
+patspamhey SDuensin!03:29
SDuensinI think I just broke WebGUI.  :-)03:29
+patspamooh, how'd you do that?03:30
SDuensinI exported a folder with two files in it as a wpgk and imported it into another site.  First try, nothing happened.  Second try, the folder showed up but no contents.  There was no third try.  :-)03:30
+patspamany errors in the logs?03:31
SDuensinOk, so suggest the obvious.03:31
SDuensinLet me check.  :-D03:31
SDuensinI see a SQL error, but it's not on the site I'm working on.03:34
+patspamit's probably likely to be a permissions problem or a spectre problem03:35
+patspampermissions would normally show up in the log03:35
+patspamwith spectre your mileage may vary03:36
SDuensinhehe03:36
SDuensinhttp://hey-it.com/03:40
SDuensinOk, I'm getting Email every time I commit a tag.  What setting did I change?04:00
@preactionyou're in the Notify About Version Tag group04:07
@preactionsee your commit workflow04:07
SDuensinIs that new?  Or changed?04:07
@preactionthat's part of the default Commit With Approval workflow04:07
SDuensinThat's what I set wrong.  I don't want approval.  :-)04:08
SDuensinThanks.04:08
* SDuensin is really liking his rounded article theme. Needs to clean it up and package it!04:13
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+perlDreamerSDuensin, paste that package into a bug and we'll have a peek at it05:09
SDuensinSure thing, perlDreamer 05:10
+perlDreamerand post an RFE with all that you know about the monthly price charge from ITransact05:10
SDuensinI'll attach the PDF.05:10
+perlDreamerdo they use a postback URL?05:11
SDuensinSame as what it does now, except you can send them an update request to change settings before they run the transaction.  Just another XML or HTML request.05:11
+perlDreamerinteresting05:12
+perlDreamerso if WebGUI's and ITransact's duration definitions ever changed, or skewed, you'd be screwed05:12
SDuensinWell, you set the recipes up for the durations by hand, so you could always change it...05:13
+perlDreamerand you just set up a cronjob per purchase for spectre to handle05:13
SDuensinIt can even use the same recipes - as long as you set them up as "split" to begin with.  (Which, of course, I didn't.)05:13
+perlDreameri tried to get them to extend their testing interface, because it doesn't support recurring transactions05:14
+perlDreamertheir response, which I do appreciate to a degree, was to let me use an internal developer account for a month05:14
+perlDreamerit kind of defeats the purpose of automated testing...05:14
SDuensinWho do you deal with there?  My contact is Todd Richardson.  He's been excellent.05:15
+perlDreamerit was someone on the support board05:15
+perlDreamerI would love it if they would open up their testing interface, and expose more functionality05:16
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SDuensinWPKG ticket is 10826.05:16
+perlDreamercool.  I have a project that I'm working on, and tonight I'm making another community release but it'll be looked at soon05:17
+perlDreamerYou're going to hate me SDuensin05:17
SDuensinFun project?05:17
SDuensinOh?05:17
+perlDreamerIt's a plugin to allow easy handling of JSON in the database05:18
SDuensinHey, that's half a cheer!  Makes things easier, but it's still WRONG!05:18
SDuensin:-)05:18
+perlDreamerWebGUI, only 25% wrong!05:18
SDuensinhehe05:18
SDuensinYou realize that Rizen is going to close my RFE with a "Denied - Came from SDuensin", right?  :-)05:27
+perlDreamernah05:27
SDuensinRFE #1082705:27
+perlDreamerhe let that other wacky checkout RFEs05:27
+perlDreameri don't see why he wouldn't let this in05:27
+perlDreameraside from the fact that it's from you05:27
+perlDreamerbut you didn't say "JSON in the DB", so you have half a chance05:27
SDuensinSpeaking of checkout...  Is the template group working on the shopping cart?  My god is that ugly!05:28
SDuensinhehehe05:28
+perlDreamerYou should checkout those recent RFEs05:28
+perlDreamerthey'll affect that a lot05:28
SDuensinIt's nice, but kind of odd as it is.  I'm finally using it to bill customers.05:29
SDuensinThree days, baby.  New big cat from Cupertino.05:31
+perlDreamerBusiness?05:32
+perlDreamerthat's great!05:32
+perlDreameror are you adopting a new pet?05:32
SDuensinIt'd be even greater if I could survive on it.05:32
SDuensinSnow Leopard, dude.  :-P05:32
+perlDreameroh, that05:33
SDuensinFor $29, how bad can it be?05:33
+perlDreamer29/0 is a big number05:33
+perlDreamerof course, that OS would probably work...05:33
SDuensinhehe05:33
* SDuensin quite likes 10.5.x05:33
* perlDreamer has only used MacOS a few times05:34
SDuensinIt's pretty much what the Linux guys want to end up with.  :-)05:34
+perlDreamerhm. Not too bad.  94.2% coverage on my first set of tests05:36
+perlDreamerlet's see what it takes to crank it up to 100%05:36
SDuensinBetween WebGUI and PhotoShop, I look like I know WTF I'm doing.  :-D05:52
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.6 * raf7c645 / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset.pm : fix syntax error in i18n for Asset.pm - http://bit.ly/18rGQZ07:32
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.6 * red30e3a / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/RichEdit.pm): Backport "ask user about using richedit" fix. - http://bit.ly/DqpRN07:32
+perlDreamerFor those of you who are either very brave, very trusting, or very foolish, I just made another community release of WebGUI 7.6.35.2.  You can download it from the Bazaar.08:01
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SynQhi there09:10
SynQI have created this: http://events.linkedin.com/WebGUI-Users-Conference/pub/11428509:12
SynQhttp://events.linkedin.com/WebGUI-User-Conference/pub/11428509:13
SynQplease say you are coming on linkedin09:14
SynQit helps to show your relations to show how big an event the WUC really is09:14
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SquOnkHi everyone15:46
SquOnkHmmm....16:03
SquOnkThere's a file named '1' and another one named 'proven' in the unofficial 7.6.35.2 release. perlDreamer must have been in a hurry :-)16:03
daviddelikatgotta wonder how that happened...16:14
SquOnkWe will find out soon...16:14
daviddelikatare tehy empty?16:15
daviddelikatare they empty?16:15
daviddelikatand .. are they in svn?16:15
SquOnkdaviddelikat: I'm checking, wait16:16
daviddelikatsorry I didn't know what we were finding out16:17
SquOnkdaviddelikat: The file named '1' is empty, the file named 'proven' ~820k, they're not in SVN16:17
daviddelikatso they're in the distributed archive?16:18
SquOnkdaviddelikat: Yes. The unofficial .tar.gz in the Bazaar16:18
daviddelikatvery strange16:19
SquOnkdaviddelikat: My guess is perlDreamer was in a hurry/tired at the time...16:21
daviddelikati'd guess the same, but files like that don't create themselves16:21
daviddelikatmaking it16:22
daviddelikatvery ngestra16:22
daviddelikator 16:22
daviddelikatstrange16:22
daviddelikatwhichever16:22
SquOnkWell, 'proven' looks like the output of a test run16:23
SquOnkAnd '1' is actually and empty directory.17:04
SquOnkSo, let's summon perlDreamer so he can unb0rk it17:04
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+perlDreamerMorning, folks.17:51
SquOnkperlDreamer: Morning.17:52
+perlDreamerHow't that .2, SquOnk?17:52
SquOnkperlDreamer: 7.6.35.2 tar.gz has a file named 'proven' and an empty '1' directory17:52
+perlDreamerwhat?17:52
+perlDreamergrrrr17:52
+perlDreamerat least all the tests pass..17:53
+perlDreamerwould you like a .3, or does it need to be pruned17:53
SquOnkperlDreamer: No, just remove them from the .tar.gz17:54
+perlDreameruploading now17:58
+perlDreamermaybe it's an extended feature, SquOnk.  Proof that the tests were run, and what the results were?17:58
SquOnkperlDreamer: Yeah, right.17:59
+perlDreamerokay, it's up there18:00
+perlDreamerSDuensin: are you awake yet?18:01
+perlDreamerbummer18:08
+perlDreamerhis buggy package works okay for me18:08
LTR_bobHi guys18:09
+perlDreamerhowdy, LTR_bob!18:09
+perlDreamerCongratulations on your company being nominated for Contributor of the Year18:09
LTR_bobHas anyone made an attempt to print labels to pdf in WebGUI? I meen shipping labels for the shop18:09
LTR_bobThank you!18:09
+perlDreamerLTR_bob, not that I know of.18:10
+perlDreamerbut a lot of the devs don't hang out in here, so you could try the developer list.18:10
+perlDreamerIn theory, as long as you used the blank style, it should work fine18:10
LTR_bobk, i thought i would check before rolling up my sleeves  and getting started :P18:11
+perlDreamerI do know that they print to a thermal printer for making badges for the WUC.  and that the badges come from the EMS18:11
LTR_bobEmergency Medical System18:11
LTR_bob?18:11
+perlDreamerEvent Management System ;)18:12
LTR_bob:P Event 18:12
LTR_bobyeah, it just cracks me up every time I see EMS18:12
+perlDreamerhehe18:12
LTR_bobIt like using CMS and CMS if you work in a ad agency and you are responsible for the Color Management and the Website18:13
+perlDreamerwe have acronym overload18:14
LTR_bobat least with this one they did not first pick a word and then try to figure out what it stands for!18:15
+perlDreamerI think that was the way the spectre was born18:15
+perlDreamerS.P.E.C.T.R.E. is the Supervisor of Perplexing Event-handling Contraptions for Triggering Relentless Executions18:15
LTR_bobI'm looking forward to the WUC and your presentation!18:16
+perlDreamerCool!18:16
+perlDreamerI'm hoping for a lot of good discussion about Story Manager18:16
LTR_bobGoodnight and goodbye!18:16
LTR_bob(heard of it but didnot know it's name, that will be cool indeed)18:18
LTR_bobEven better news: I now see you are doing TWO presentations!!!18:19
LTR_bobIt's going to be a good WUC18:20
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SquOnkperlDreamer: WebGUI.pm still has 7.6.35.118:38
SquOnkperlDreamer: But everything else looks ok18:40
+perlDreamerSquOnk, you are relentlessly thorough, which is good18:40
SquOnkperlDreamer: Debian does that on people ;-)18:40
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+perlDreamerSquOnk: do you still have a plan for your hordes of students to translate WebGUI into Spanish?18:43
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+perlDreamerGood morning, Haarg18:43
@Haargmorning18:44
+perlDreamersvn rev 12255.  also -> preaction18:44
SquOnkperlDreamer: ...and a customer is willing to work there too.18:48
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SquOnkperlDreamer: Let me know when the tarball has been updated.18:49
+perlDreamerit is done18:49
SquOnkOk, here we go18:49
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r18a52b9 / (6 files in 4 dirs): 18:52
CIA-53webgui: Refactor out the JSON collateral code from FilePump/Bundle.pm to make an aspect18:52
CIA-53webgui: that can be used by assets, operations and any other modules in WebGUI. - http://bit.ly/uFGDN18:52
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rdc99ee1 / lib/WebGUI/FilePump/Bundle.pm : Refactor FilePump/Bundle.pm to use the JSONCollateral Aspect. - http://bit.ly/30sWjH18:52
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+perlDreamerHaarg: wgdev doesn't have a way to specify which database script gets imported?19:55
@Haargreset you mean?19:55
+perlDreameryes19:55
@Haargnot really19:55
@Haargit automatically picks previousVersion or create based on if --upgrade was specified19:56
+perlDreamerI'm running upgrade loops, and it would be handy to be able to pull in an arbitrary backup script19:56
@Haargwell, you could also tell reset to not import a script and instead pre-load one with wgd db19:56
@Haargbut it would also make sense to allow you to specify --import=file.sql19:57
+perlDreamerNo, I see now.  reset is the wrong paradigm for what I want to do19:57
+perlDreamerwgd db has the right set of tools19:57
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carograyHi all, sorry for so many interruptions for all the connecting and disconnecting last week. I was staying at a friend's house in OR and still on earlyEast Coast time, connected to WRONG wireless connection. Apologies20:18
+perlDreamerOR?20:18
+perlDreamerWhat part of OR?20:18
carograyPortland20:18
+perlDreamerI'm in Portland!20:18
+perlDreamerYou should have said something20:18
carograyohho! didn't realize that - you are right I should have!20:18
+perlDreamerWe could have had the inaugural WebGUI Portland Drink20:19
carograyso sorry to have missed you. but now I have learned that Smith Rock is out there and Jet Blue is so inexpensive ... etc. I am definitely returning when I get a little time and $ collected next year20:19
carograyYes that would have been wunderbar!20:19
carograyin the meantime...20:20
carograyI am learning about putting 20:20
carograyFlash files into WebGUI - transferring another website20:20
carograyI have an swf file and an xml file and an album  full of images with small ones. 20:21
carograyOn the original site the xml and swf files are all in the root directory, as are the individual album folders of images.20:21
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r13cceb9 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/JSONCollateral.t): Check JSON deserialization, and make Assets do it. - http://bit.ly/Iuq1x20:21
+perlDreamerOriginal website is WebGUI?20:22
carograyCan I put all of these in the media folder in WebGUI and then change paths and URLs20:22
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carograynope original site is in perl written custom built cms20:22
+perlDreamerah20:22
+perlDreameryou can put them in the media folder20:22
+perlDreameror you can put them in the home folder and hide them20:22
+perlDreamersince the URLs in WebGUI aren't tied to hierarchy, you could put them anywhere20:23
carograygood that's what I thought20:23
+perlDreameryou should check out the design forum, where others have done this20:23
+perlDreamerthere is also a slideshow SWF built into WebGUI now20:23
+perlDreamercalled the UKPlayer (Since the nice folks at United Knowledge built it for WebGUI)20:24
carograyI saw the slideshow thing but this flash also plays mp320:24
+perlDreameroh, nice20:24
carograyOk I am going to try it now, but I think I have some questions about there are also some js scripts as well... will try design forum, but may have to come back here again.20:24
carograyone more quesiton...20:25
carograyI was thinking to copy xml file into a snippet and save that way rather than uploading... does this make sense?20:25
+perlDreameroh yeah20:25
+perlDreamerbe sure to set the mime type on the snippet to xml20:25
carograygreat thanks - I am sure I will be back.. yes that caught me out once before, thanks for the reminder.20:25
carograyOh yes one more question...20:26
+perlDreameronce you get it all figured out, it would be great to have a wiki page about this20:26
+perlDreamerif you have the time to document how you did it, that is20:26
carograyI have the album in the media folder... 20:26
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carograyCan I upload all of the images with file pile and then go back and change their URLs one by one or should I upload them image by image, in the past we have had some confusion with uploading files, we are still on WG v. 7.6.15 or 22 now I think20:27
carogray7.6.1520:27
+perlDreamerdo you have shell access to the sever?20:27
+cap10morganperlDreamer: what was the resolution to the http/https url caching bug?20:28
carograyand yes I will definitely do a wiki if I can get it to work, the reason I never finished the tell a friend wiki is cause it still isn't working the way I want it to20:28
+cap10morgani was out of town when you requested more info, sorry20:28
+perlDreamercarogray, if you do, in the sbin directory there is a script that will upload lots of files at once for you20:29
+perlDreamerotherwise, FilePile is the way to go20:29
carograyI have shell access to server, but don't understand it well enough to use it, so I will stick with WebGUI's  easy way.. oh good file pile is easier than image upload thanks again PD20:29
+perlDreamercap10morgan, I took your suggestion and split the cache into SSL and nonSSL 20:29
+cap10morganoh ok, cool20:29
+perlDreamerit turns out that the caching extended way beyond CDN, into things like Navigation20:30
+perlDreamerso it was easy enough to test without any Amazon setups20:30
+cap10morgangotcha20:30
+perlDreamerdo you want a svn rev in case you want to manually backport it?20:30
+perlDreameractually, I think I put that in the bug report when i resolved it20:31
+cap10morgannah, i'm upgrading our ec2 servers to 7.7.18 today20:31
+perlDreamerall right!20:32
+cap10morgansweeeeet, colloquy update. brb (w/ more awesome)20:35
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carograyOK me again - in the xml file it points to the images in the myalbum folder as20:38
carogray image1="myalbum_files/nancy_at_golf_tournament_2_s.jpg"20:38
carograydo I need to make that image1="^/(myalbum_files/nancy_at_golf_tournament_2_s.jpg);"20:39
+perlDreamerto process macros, you'll need to set the macro to be a template20:42
+perlDreamerand then you'll need to find out how the SWF file handles relative URLs20:42
carograycannot see swf file i.e. open it and look at what it does so if xml file is looking for path relative to itself perhaps I don't need the WG ^macro at all?20:44
carograymaybe? 20:44
+perlDreamerit's good style to always use it, but if you gatewayURL is set to / in the config file it will be fine20:44
carograyuhh..20:44
+perlDreamer^/; is the gateway macro20:45
carograyso if I use it normally for links inside the website I should use it here?20:45
+perlDreameryes20:45
carograyokey doke20:45
@bopbopperlDreamer: bug number #10792... do you remember it? multiples of events being pulled in from old wg.org calendar feed?20:47
+perlDreameryes20:47
@bopbopwell, now I have the opposite problem20:47
@bopbopno events are displaying from the feed20:48
@bopbop I created a demo to test it20:48
+perlDreamerwhat's the URL?20:48
@bopbopand if I run the hourly maintenance workflow, it still doesn't work20:48
@bopbophttp://beta.webgui.org/demo1251309201_768/home20:48
@bopbopand on my test site20:48
@bopbopbetatraining20:48
+perlDreamerokay20:48
+perlDreamerI'll finish up this current bug, then have a look at it20:49
@bopbopeven after running the hourly maintenance workflow it says the feed was never updated20:49
@bopbopok-thx20:49
+perlDreamerhow long did you wait before checking the feed?20:49
@bopbopoh, no it is updated, but the events still don't show20:49
carograyperDreamer - when you get a chance, am I ticking the Yes radio button next to Process as template? since I am using the "Gateway Macro"O:-) or since it is already set up in the config file I do not have to, should not process as template?20:49
+perlDreamercarogray, I was wrong earlier.  Macros are always processed in snippets20:51
carogray...I do not tick Yes radio button?20:51
+perlDreamerno20:51
carograyI didn't - that's right, yes?20:52
+perlDreamerfor processing macros, that is right20:52
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carograyok20:59
carograynot working - just blank will now go to designer forum 20:59
carograydesigner forum - supposed to be in WebGUI.org/forums website now?21:01
carograycan only see Etcetera and Deutsche Benutzergruppe21:02
+perlDreamerhttp://www.webgui.org/design/forum21:02
carograyk thanks21:02
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seriftronis anyone aware of an issue with the "Commit With Approval" workflow? it's suspended on one of our sites & causing the wkflows for all of our other sites to get stuck in "waiting" mode. we're running 7.6.25-stable.21:24
seriftroni'm not getting any errors, only the status "Waiting 3600"21:24
@preactionit's waiting for someone to approve it21:24
seriftronis it supposed to back up the workflows for all of my other sites?21:25
@preactionit's not backing them up, "waiting" is a common mode21:25
@preactionwhat is the real problem you're having?21:25
seriftronthe "get cs mail" workflow on one of our sites was having an error which caused other workflows to get backed up (so mail wasn't being sent out, etc)...i temporarily fixed that by disabling it. i was wondering if this "commit with approval" workflow was doing the same thing because i happened to check spectre status.21:28
seriftronwe've just had ongoing workflow issues on this server21:28
seriftronso should i only be concerned about the spectre status if it's suspended and status is error?21:28
@preactiondepends, it could be you're re-running suspended/waiting workflows too quickly to allow new workflows to run21:29
@preactionthere's a configuration value in the spectre.conf for that21:29
seriftroni see that, thanks21:30
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r39550d3 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Poll.pm): 21:52
CIA-53webgui: Prevent the generateGraph yesNo from being generated twice in the editForm.21:52
CIA-53webgui: Fixes bug #10829. - http://bit.ly/ZTRJy21:52
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbfd25d6 / (3 files in 3 dirs): i18n the Graphing tab title in the Poll. Fixes #10831. - http://bit.ly/3xUWlF21:52
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.6 * r38b4fe1 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Backport Poll edit form and i18n fixes. - http://bit.ly/WZKCf21:52
+perlDreamerthat's the first batch of Poll bug fixes, bopbop21:52
+perlDreamerI assigned the Pie chart problem to Martink, but he's on vacation currently21:52
@bopbopok, thx perlDreamer21:57
+perlDreamerbopbop: I see events on that beta demo calendar21:57
+perlDreamermaybe it just needed a bit to run?21:57
@bopbophang on, let me look again21:57
* perlDreamer has to feed the hungry herd, I'll be back in 20-3021:58
@bopbophttp://beta.webgui.org/demo1251309201_768/home?op=switchOffAdmin21:58
@bopbopthose events weren't there when I first landed at the site21:58
@bopbopI see them now21:58
@bopbopon my beta demo I made today there still aren't any events21:58
@bopbopoh, and one more thing: the events you're seeing on my betatraining site are events from the old feed... I entered the feed from the new wg.org calendar, and that's the one that's not working22:01
SquOnkAw shoot...22:04
SquOnk...customer blew up the style and made the login box part of a big <a> that goes elsewhere...22:04
SquOnklol22:04
carograyback again - got it to work - of course it was a missed path name oversight too panicked to see thing22:17
carograyonly thing now is - trying to upload mp3 file to album in media folder - can we do it? it's 3686 KB - plainblack server?22:18
+perlDreamerbopbop, what's the URL for the new beta demo that you made today?22:24
+perlDreamerand on betatraining, is there a particular event that you're looking for?22:25
@bopbopnew betademo: http://beta.webgui.org/demo1251309201_768/22:26
@bopbopI'm just pulling in events from wg.org's calendar22:26
@bopbopso, a number of events should show up22:27
+perlDreamerand you don't see any events there?22:27
@bopbopperhaps I'm doing the feed wrong22:27
@bopbopno22:27
+perlDreamerI do22:27
+perlDreamermaybe you're having browser caching problems?22:27
@bopbopI'll clear it22:28
@bopbopstill none22:28
@bopbopcleared browser and wg cache22:28
+perlDreamerAre you looking at August, or September?22:28
@bopbopAug22:29
+perlDreamerah22:29
+perlDreamerHow does September look?22:29
@bopbopsept I see stuff22:29
@bopbopwhy not in Aug?22:29
@bopbopbc the events are before today?22:29
+perlDreamerThe calendar was created today, and by default, the iCal feed pulls events from "now" out to 3 months (the default iCal interval in the Calendar)22:30
@bopbopdoes the feed only pull stuff in after the current date?22:30
+perlDreameryup, that's it exactly22:30
@bopbopok, didn't know that before22:30
+perlDreamerme, either :)22:30
+perlDreamerso, that explains beta demo22:30
+perlDreamerwhat about betatraining?22:30
+perlDreamerwhat are you looking for that you aren't seeing there?22:31
+perlDreamerI found the calendar with the duplicated feeds22:31
@bopbopwell, for some reason when I first arrived at betatraining today there weren't any events showing at all22:32
@bopbopbut if they're there now, that's fine then22:32
@bopbopbut that's what made me look at a new demo in the first place, and then bug you22:33
@bopbop:)22:33
+perlDreamerthat is odd22:33
@bopbopyeah22:33
+perlDreamerand it's fine to bug me, I'm on the clock  ;)22:33
@bopbopk22:33
@preactionyou'll be pleased to note that i almost have a resizable, syntax-highlighting text editor ready to go22:33
SquOnkI have some interesting behaviour. 7.6.3522:33
+perlDreamerI'll have a peek at the log file for your site and see if there's anything signifcant in there22:33
SquOnkI have a CS (blog) with accented stuff in the subject...22:34
+perlDreamerpreaction: w00t!22:34
SquOnk...and it shows up fine.22:34
@Haargone thing i've been meaning to check is how browser caching works with the calendar22:34
SquOnkI have RSS enabled.22:34
@Haargi did a which check through the code and didn't see any way it avoids caching22:34
@Haarg*quick22:34
SquOnkThe Syndicated Content object referring to said blog, doesn't show the accented characters.22:34
@Haarghow did that happen i suck at typing22:34
+perlDreamerSquOnk, if you can duplicate that on 7.7, it's a bug22:35
@Haarglink to feed?22:35
+perlDreamerpreaction: you're awesome22:35
SquOnkSadly, the site is not available outside the private network.22:35
+perlDreamerSquOnk, export the assets as packages and put them into a demo site22:35
SquOnkSubject of the Blog post is "áreas agrícola e industrial "22:36
@Haargwould you be able to save the feed as a static file and upload it somewhere?22:36
SquOnkThe Syndicated Content has "áreas agrícola e industrial"22:36
SquOnkThe actual RSS feed is perfect.22:36
+perlDreamerthis is brilliant: http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=80095822:37
elninoPB: is the wuc 2008 site online in archive somewhere? I need to access some information about it.22:38
@bopbop937522:39
@bopboplooks like that bug number SquOnk22:39
@bopbopelnino: not really... it's versioned... what did you need?22:39
+perlDreamerSquOnk, what version of XML::FeedPP are you using?22:40
SquOnkLet me check22:42
SquOnkbopbop, perlDreamer: Thanks, that was it.22:44
carograyEEK! uploaded mp3, it seems to have changed the name of my folder to the name of the mp3 file and in asset manager cannot find mp3, is this weird?22:50
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+perlDreamerapparently, we've had a small accident here involving 1 child, 2 sandals, and a pile of dog poo22:57
+perlDreamerNo one was injured, the contamination has been contained22:57
+perlDreamerthere is no cause for alarm22:57
+perlDreamerbe back in a while22:57
carograywould small child feel better to learn that old lady built duck house to contain ducks who cannot seem to help themselves from sleeping and pooing on porch thence old lady steps in wet smelly gooey mess on regular basis at 5:30am every morning rushing out the door on her way to work - photos promised to console small chile23:00
carograychild23:00
carograynever mind about mp3 - perhaps it was our connection here? tried 3 times with IE gave up and tried FF just for the heck and guess what - why would that be?23:05
+perlDreamerthe small child is no longer worried about dog poo and sandals.  The Thunderbirds have arrived23:17
+perlDreamerwe live 1 mile south of Hillsboro Airport, which hosts the Washington County Airshow each year23:23
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@preactionanyone want to do me a solid? it'll take 5 minutes, i swear23:40
+BartJolam I good enough?23:40
@preactiongit clone git://github.com/preaction/yui-code-editor.git # and then open "index.html" in your favorite browser23:41
+BartJolnot sure what a solid is though23:41
@preaction"solid" == "favor"23:41
+BartJolah23:41
+BartJolI haven't installed git yet23:41
+perlDreamergot a logger console23:42
@preactionyeah, try the text editor area thing23:42
@preactionthere should be two of them, one of them has a status bar on the bottom and that has a resize handle in it23:42
@preactionthe only thing missing now is a plugin point for syntax highlighting, but this could theoretically go into the core and close any problems we're having with the current EditArea23:43
+perlDreamerFF 3.0.10 on FC10: resize works, status works, syntax highlighting of HTML works (tried very simple example)23:44
@preactionsweeet23:44
+perlDreamerdo you want me to try the rest of the browsers?23:44
@preactionif you want, but i've got open IE versions23:44
@preactionjust wanted an opinion, see if i'm going in the right direction23:45
@preactionworks much nicer than the current one we got then?23:45
+perlDreamerI've got an opera I'll try23:45
+perlDreameryes!23:45
+perlDreamerwell, tabb's bug is intermittent23:45
@preactionwhich is the worst kind of bug :p23:46
+perlDreameryeah23:46
+perlDreameris it supposed to recognize tags, or just highlight anything inside angle brackets?23:46
@preactionit highlights anything inside angle brackets at the moment23:46
@preactionthe syntax highlighting is stupid, i'm gonna make it smart(er)23:47
@preactionthe whole thing is only 200 lines of code (not including the yahoo editor it's subclassed from)23:47
+perlDreameropera is very bad23:48
@preactionfigures. i'll pull out my copy and see what i can do with it23:48
+perlDreamerno newlines23:48
+perlDreamerfunny selecting23:48
+perlDreamerno indent23:48
+perlDreamerwhich is odd, since I've never had any editor problems with Opera so far23:49
@Haargpreaction, what stuff have you added to the base example?23:50
+BartJolmmm, can't we include vim as standard WebGUI editor instead of that tinymce23:51
@preactiona status bar, which enables resizing23:51
@preactioni cleaned up the code to be a proper subclass of the yui rich editor23:51
@preactionthat's about it, next is the syntax highlighting23:51
@Haargselecting with the keyboard doesn't seem to work23:52
@preactionworks in safari, so that's something to check out then23:52
@Haargit works to start with but then resets23:53
@preactionprobably something i did23:53
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@Haargthe two main features that would annoy me about this one (as is) are that it doesn't let you see where the last line of your content is and it doesn't continue your indent level.23:57
@Haargthe end of content thing is probably not a real problem though23:57
+perlDreamerit needs :set autoindent as a default?23:57
jdanplHi everybody. I need help from real WebGUI guru. One of my service has been affected that httpd process utilize 100% cpu and memory23:57
+perlDreamerjdanpl, check your webgui.log file for hints23:58
jdanplThere are not any information in logs23:58
jdanplIt't way I am prostrate23:59
jdanplI seperated this site on develope server23:59
@Haargi think it does perlDreamer.  smarter automatic indenting would be cool to add at some point but that would be a future item.23:59
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jdanplBut every start quickly finish server deaths00:00
+BartJolany custom stuff?00:01
jdanplI can send complete archive. SQL data and files00:01
@preactionHaarg: so autoindent and expandtab are on the todo list00:01
+BartJoljdanpl: it's a bit too late for me to start with that now00:02
+BartJolsorry00:02
@Haargexpandtab? isn't it already doing that?00:02
@preactionno00:02
@Haargtab inserts spaces for me00:02
jdanplBartJol: I can pay of course for investigation00:02
@preactionthat's weird00:02
+BartJolthat would be for tomorrow00:03
+BartJolwe can try to look at it00:03
+BartJolbut maybe we can work this out another way00:03
jdanplCould you tell me email address? I wait00:04
jdanplIt's important becouse it's service one my customer. 00:04
+perlDreamerpreaction: it inserted spaces for me, too (according to the logger)00:04
+BartJolwell, I have half an hour now00:04
+BartJolso let's take it slowly00:05
+BartJolI have tried atop once to see what apache's doing00:05
+BartJolthat might be a way00:05
+BartJolhave you looked at spectre status?00:06
jdanplSpectre is not important becouse I didn't start it00:06
jdanplServer fail after started httpd -modperl00:06
jdanplIt's get all memory and power00:07
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+perlDreamerI did notice that my lights are dimming00:07
jdanplAnd werservice --start * wait for finishing modperl start00:07
+BartJolok so no custom stuff, and tried various log levels and looked at all logs00:08
+BartJolwhat versions and os are you running?00:08
+perlDreamerjdanpl: are you running custom code on this site?00:09
@Haargalso, when did this start happenning?00:09
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jdanplDebian 4.0 and WRE 0.9.300:09
jdanplYes, I have some wobjects and operations. But not in this www-site. It't very pure site. Customer had admin access and yesterday it happend00:10
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+perlDreameris there anything in the apache error log?00:11
jdanplnoyhing important00:11
jdanpljust warns about and stop00:12
jdanplAnd of course about unclean  shutdown00:12
jdanplWhen I start modper, process httpd drop in something like loop00:13
@Haargtry accessing the site by going to http://www.site.com/?op=auth00:14
jdanplIt's no possible becouse modproxy don't make start on time00:15
@Haargdoes it not start, or does wreservice just tell you it couldn't start?00:16
@Haargcheck the process list after trying to start it00:16
jdanplwhen I call `wreservice --start all`, script waits for finishing modperl start00:16
@Haargtry wreservice.pl --start modproxy00:16
jdanplBut modperl forks and hard waorking00:16
jdanplafter starting modprel I have only a few seconds of server works. I must restart it from ILO console00:18
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+BartJoljdanpl: normally I'd love to help, but tomorrow and friday I mainly am busy remodelling my house. But I do have faith in the people here to be able to analyse your problems. Not sure at the moment whether someone at ProcoliX can help you tomorrow, but if it all doesn't work out, you can send a mail to beheer@procolix.com00:28
jdanplBartJol: I'll tray return to backup. But I am afraid inincydent can go back. So for me it's important to know what happend00:30
+BartJolI understand. did your customer said anything about doing anything out of usual order?00:31
+BartJolwhich normally shpould not interfere with httpd processes00:32
jdanplHe learned using WebGUI 7. I don't know enything else00:33
+BartJolcan you enter mysql and see the general settings? maybe he messed up something in there (this is looking for far fetched stuff)00:34
jdanplmysql works downright efficiently. It's server 10 seperate sites00:37
+BartJolwell, but modperl works with settings from that db00:37
jdanpland i migrate failed database on second server. the same behaviour00:38
jdanplmodperl works if I hide config of damaged site00:39
+BartJolthta's why I ask for that settings table00:43
jdanplSo I don't understand about what settings you ask00:44
+BartJolok, log in to the mysql db with the site settings and look at the settings table00:45
+BartJolmysql -uuserfromconfig -ppwddromconfig databasename00:46
+BartJolyou do know a bit mysql, do you?00:48
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jdanplYes, I know SQL syntax and MySQL managing00:51
+BartJolso, strange stuff in that table?00:51
@Haargit seems most likely that there is a problem with the content on the front page.00:52
+perlDreamerif it's a content problem, then why does it hang on startup?00:54
+BartJolI was thinking false ldap reference00:54
@preactionbecause wreservice.pl tries to hit the server to see if it's up00:54
+BartJolah00:55
jdanplExactly. I also thought about content of first page00:55
jdanplYes. I understend00:55
+BartJolis it an idea to change homepage via mysql00:55
jdanplProblem occured after night cron restart00:56
+BartJolit is an idea, but is it a good one?00:56
jdanplso, wreconsole --restart all faild00:56
+BartJolbut I've gotta get up in 7 hours, so good luck, I'll hear later what happened00:57
@Haargone option is to try starting the server without using wreservice.pl, then going to www.site.com/?op=auth00:57
jdanplI will check in dump file00:57
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jdanplHaarg: I stared modperl and modproxy without ping from WRE::modules. Next I open http://temp/?op=auth. When I entered admin acount and send data modperl process goes to loop01:16
jdanplIt's evidently problem with content on first page01:17
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+perlDreamerSDuensin: ping01:19
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r22d4621 / (5 files in 5 dirs): 01:22
CIA-53webgui: Move Calendar feeds into the Calendar Asset table as JSON collateral.01:22
CIA-53webgui: Update tests and workflows to follow. - http://bit.ly/48etTG01:22
@HaargperlDreamer, i was thinking of making changes to wgdev to make it safer to put on a server.  was was thinking of adding a safe mode flag of some sort that would disable the auto-detection of site configs, but now i'm thinking of just removing the auto-detection to make it safe by default and you add the config or env param to specify a site if you want it to be simple.01:24
@Haargthen i should probably have the webgui root autodetection try /data/WebGUI if the parent checks fail01:25
@preactionperhaps only autodetect if there is one site?01:25
@Haargthat's what it does now01:25
jdanplEureka! I entered to op=assetManage and displayed from roots. Teher is no "Home" branch. Customer probably deleted evrythink from home page.01:25
@preactionthat's fine with me, really01:25
@Haargbut that's still somewhat dangerous for a single site server01:25
@preactionwhy? if you're using wgd you're expecting it to work on the one site you have, no?01:26
+perlDreamerHaarg: I always have WEBGUI_CONFIG set, so I won't miss autodetect, and if removing it means I can use it for maintenance and repair of server, all the better01:26
* perlDreamer can type --conf=something.conf pretty fast01:26
@preactionat any rate, if there is a site specified, it should be as little as possible. --conf=something.com or even just --conf=something if it narrows it down to one site01:27
@Haarg-Fsomething.com will work for something.com.conf01:27
@Haargi'm planning on adding -Swww.site.com for sitename01:28
+perlDreamerso it would walk the configs and find the right one, based on sitename?01:28
@Haargyes01:29
@Haargi have it working but i still need to have it properly resolve conflicts if both a sitename and config file are specified01:29
+perlDreamertoday's is Kathy's last final this term.  We're meeting her downtown for dinner01:39
@Haargnice01:39
+perlDreamerone down, 10 to go01:40
+perlDreamerI'll stay on and backlog as needed01:40
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SDuensinperlDreamer - delayed pong01:54
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ekennedyI'm looking for a new dedicated hosting service for a linux machine.  Are there any providers in the US that you have been particularly satisfied with?04:54
SDuensinI use 1and1.  Some hate them, but they're cheap and I've had no problems.05:29
daviddelikatSDuensin: what service do you use there?05:41
SDuensinThey changed the name.   Lemme look it up.05:45
SDuensinIt's the "1&1 Dedicated Server Dual-Core Linux".05:46
SDuensinI prefer Ubuntu to CentOS/Fedora and used their old Debian image to install it.  Went smooth.05:46
SDuensin(And if it doesn't, you can access the box's serial console, which is nice!)05:46
SDuensinOr you can just host your WebGUI with me.  Hint, hint, nudge, nudge.  :-P05:47
ekennedyThanks I was looking at them and was put off by the negative comments on some of the boards.  How is there network speed?05:47
SDuensinFaster than mine, so I'm happy.   :-)05:47
SDuensinI just did an rsync from them to me:   sent 786.45M bytes  received 629.92K bytes  1.75M bytes/sec05:47
SDuensinI'm probably the limiting factor in that.05:48
ekennedyDid you have them install Ubuntu 8.04?  I think that is currently an option.05:48
SDuensinI don't remember what I started with.  I've had the box awhile.  I thought it was Debian something or other.05:48
SDuensinI have Ubuntu 9.04 on it now.05:48
ekennedyDo you remember the specs of your machine?05:49
SDuensinNot offhand.05:50
SDuensinI had a "Dedicated Business Server" before.  This one is better.05:50
ekennedyThanks for your input.  Maybe I'll give them a try.  They certainly seem to provide a good value.05:50
SDuensinLike I said, they're cheap.  Like a third of anyone else I looked at.05:51
ekennedyThanks again SDuensin.  I've got to run.  Goodnight.05:52
SDuensinYW05:53
SDuensinNight.05:53
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wgGuest92hello06:09
wgGuest92is preaction on tonight06:13
@preactionthat depends on what your question is06:13
wgGuest92lol06:13
wgGuest92i installed postfix and it works on my server but iv gone thru hours of settings and can not get get contact forms to work06:15
SDuensinMail servers are a mofo.06:15
wgGuest92all my sites work but that part i cant get to send from the form06:16
wgGuest92sendmail was the same way06:17
@preactionis spectre running?06:17
wgGuest92yes06:17
@preactioncan it connect to webgui? can webgui connect to it?06:17
wgGuest92yes as far as I can tell06:18
@preactioncd /data/WebGUI/sbin; perl spectre.pl --test06:18
@preactionis there mail in the mailQueue table for your site? SELECT COUNT(*) FROM mailQueue;06:19
wgGuest92im not on the server know but if there is mail in mailqueue is that a good sign things are working in webgui06:22
wgGuest92if not is that a problem06:23
@preactionok, seriously, i can't help you if you can't do what i suggest06:24
wgGuest92 im so sorry, i worked on it all day and know im home, the books or forums have been no help06:26
wgGuest92i will do what you say and i thankyou for what u have done so far06:26
+perlDreamerSDuensin, I tried importing your package, and it worked fine in 7.7, and in 7.6.35 on a demo site.06:28
wgGuest92what i wanted to ask you was in postfix if i needed to do more than basic settings or was there relay settings and such06:28
SDuensinThanks, perlDreamer - I replied to the bug ticket.06:29
+perlDreamernothing in the log files?06:29
SDuensinnope06:29
SDuensinA SQL error, but not on that site.06:29
+perlDreamerhm, maybe I could find a developer, somewhere, with MacOS X to try it06:30
SDuensinmy server is linux06:30
+perlDreamerwhich one?06:30
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SDuensinall of em06:31
+perlDreamerwhich linux, Mr Smarty-Bits?06:31
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SDuensinoh - i thought you meant which server06:32
SDuensinubuntu server 9.0406:32
SDuensin32 bit06:32
+perlDreameryou willing to try it again for me, with some directives?06:32
SDuensinlater, yea - got a baby on my lap at the moment06:33
+perlDreamerpriorities...06:33
SDuensinlittle dude will NOT go to sleep06:35
+perlDreamerhave you tried singing to him?06:35
SDuensinhe just look up at me when i try and lay him down06:35
+perlDreamersee, that's yer problem right there06:38
+perlDreamerwhen he does that06:38
+perlDreamerthat's when you sucker punch him!06:38
SDuensinhe's three months old!  :-P06:38
+perlDreameryeah, he'll sleep for hours06:39
SDuensinI have some long island here.06:39
+perlDreamerthat's only good for teething babies06:39
SDuensinhe's teething!06:40
SDuensinand it helps me sleep06:40
+perlDreamerthen just rub a little bit on his gums06:40
+perlDreamerit's better than the gel stuff with novacaine in it, because that makes their gums tougher and prolongs the teething process06:40
SDuensinthats interesting06:42
SDuensinso far, he's only had tylenol06:42
+perlDreamerand, unlike punching, it actually works06:42
SDuensinhehehe06:42
+perlDreamerbut like I said, just a little, on the gums06:42
SDuensinCan't put it in his bottle, eh?  :-)06:44
+perlDreamerno, you don't want him to drink it06:44
SDuensinTrue.  Less for me.06:51
SDuensinAnd now "me" is gonna take his drink and watch a movie before bed.  If I code until I hit the pillow, I have really bizarre dreams...06:52
SDuensinLike this morning, I was trying to work out what port my kid's pacifier was on.  Not good.  :-)06:52
SDuensinNever did figure it out.  Just knew it was something well-known and should probably be changed.06:53
+perlDreameroh, that's the USB port06:53
+perlDreamerUniversal Sleeping Baby06:54
SDuensinNo man, my kid was TCP/IP!06:54
+perlDreamereh, he'll be bit-bashing RS232 in no time06:54
SDuensinI was trying to open up SmoothWall for him.06:54
+perlDreamermaybe he nuked your package....?06:58
SDuensinok, one kid doesn't know what "go to bed" means.06:58
* perlDreamer heads to the couch to hang out with Mrs. Dreamer07:03
+perlDreamershe had a hard day today07:03
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+perlmonkey2Had an earthquake last night. 3.4M.  Didn't realize how loud those things are.17:47
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+perlDreamereverything okay, perlmonkey2?17:50
+perlDreamerhouse, barn, servers?17:50
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: Yep, no damage reported.  It was about 8 miles away and right next to a small city and nothing damaged there.  Just louder than the loudest thunder I've ever heard and I've had strikes within 100 meters.17:51
+perlmonkey2not like a rumble either, just a loud bang.17:52
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+perlmonkey2If I could get this to work the last survey bug would be finished: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d14cd77be18:04
+perlmonkey2So simple yet so doesn't work.18:04
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+perlDreamercan you do the same thing a different way?18:23
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+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: like destroy the dom el a different way and recreate it another way?18:25
+perlmonkey2I don't know why the buttons have to be destroyed anyways.18:26
+perlmonkey2I think this all started with a small memory leak from just destroying the survey object overview containers.18:27
+perlmonkey2The click handlers weren't being properly destroyed, even with direct calls to destroy them, so destroy all on the top level container was used, which also got the buttons.18:27
+perlmonkey2So the buttons have to be recreated now.18:28
+perlmonkey2giving us this mess :D18:28
mducharme-workhrm18:33
mducharme-workwhat does it mean when an RFE is "approved"18:33
mducharme-workand what do the difficulty numbers represent18:33
+perlmonkey2mducharme-work: an RFE is approved when it can go into production.  And the difficulty numbers determine the karma modifier to raise its score.  The higher its score, the higher its priority.18:36
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@Haargwhen we aren't in feature freeze, the plainblack staff does rfe days once a month where we all work on the top rfes in the list.18:38
@Haargbut once an rfe is approved, anyone is allowed to implement the feature18:38
+perlmonkey2Why is it impossible to find the yui docs on the destroy method?18:39
daviddelikatcuz theres no sent to the YUI docs18:40
daviddelikats/sent/sense/18:40
daviddelikatI can never fins what i want18:40
daviddelikati can never type what i want either18:40
@Haargdestroy method on what object?18:40
daviddelikatyou might need to look at core javascript docs to find what you want18:42
@Haargthere is no destroy method on core javascript objects18:43
daviddelikatusually after I waste 1/2/ hour looking at YUI I go to google and find what i want18:43
daviddelikatok18:43
@Haargi haven't had many problems with the yui docs really.18:44
@Haargthe destroy method on buttons for example: http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/docs/YAHOO.widget.Button.html#method_destroy18:44
daviddelikatI find the YUI search is not helpful and the organization leaves out critical things18:45
daviddelikatif I google I get what I want18:45
daviddelikatthe content is quite thorough, just the connections are lacking18:45
+perlmonkey2Haarg: right, but widgets should share one.  I found it, but it looks like every widget has its own definition.  18:46
@Haargi guess it makes it's easier to find the docs if you don't make assumptions about their implementation18:48
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+perlDreamerHey, dionak!19:05
dionakhey perlDreamer. 19:06
dionakMissed the community so I thought I'd log on and see what's happening.19:06
dionakLooking forward to the WUC19:06
+perlDreamerMe, too.  Not long to wait, though.  2 weeks19:06
dionaknot long at all! haha. still working on wrapping up presentations.19:07
+perlmonkey2I give up, whatever it is that is causing IE6/7 to not like it when a button is destroyed and recreated is inconsolable.  It is angry at the world and will take no change in code as recompense.  19:08
dionaki'm also looking forward to hearing about the story mgr19:08
dionaksure it's not a caching issue? those browsers are notorious for that.19:09
+perlDreamerI'm looking forward to seeing the presentation on the story manager myself19:10
+perlDreamerespecially before the submission deadline :/19:10
dionak:)19:10
dionaki can relate19:11
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+perlmonkey2I FIXED IT!19:34
+perlmonkey2daz right19:34
+perlmonkey2whos' da man?19:34
+perlmonkey2I am!19:34
+perlmonkey2Off to lunch then submit patch and drive a piece of rusty rebar through the heart of this bug FOREVER!19:35
+perlDreamerway to go, perlmonkey219:36
+perlDreamerof course, now I have to explain to those ex-KGB hit squads that their contract is canceled19:37
+perlmonkey2Hah, so I am getting paid for this bug fix, just not in cash.  I'll take it.19:37
+perlDreamerthis is very odd19:38
+perlDreamerI went to a website, and turned on debug19:38
+perlDreamerand it got faster19:38
+perlmonkey2Sounds like my life.19:38
daviddelikatwhere is the config for outgoing mail in WG?19:39
+perlDreamerin Settings19:40
daviddelikatwhich tab?19:40
daviddelikatdoesn't there need more than just a server name?19:40
daviddelikator do I need to configure sendmail in linux?19:41
+perlDreamerwe don't do authenticated SMTP,if that's what you're asking19:41
daviddelikatwell, I guess now would be a good time to setup my internal email virtual machine...19:42
daviddelikatI'm learningn so much about WG by actually setting up a site...19:43
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+danny_mkhello everyone, what is the closest airport to the WUC?20:54
ekennedyI don't know the answer to the last question but I've got a different one.  I'm creating a custom navigation template and could really use to know how deep the page tree is in advance of running through the page loop.  I don't see a variable with that information.  Is there a way to know the depth in the template?20:57
@preactiondanny_mk: Madison has an airport, but most likely you'll find flights into either General Mitchell in Milwaukee WI, or O'Hare Intl. 20:58
+danny_mkMilwaukee WI it is, thank you.20:58
@preactionChicago is about 2 hrs. drive from Madison20:58
@preactionMilwaukee is about an hour20:58
+danny_mkyup20:59
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+perlmonkey2what would be the best way to check for a memory leak in js?  Just seeing how much memory FF is using per reload seems kind of ham fisted.21:16
+perlmonkey2Using gnome-system-monitor I apparently have a negative memory leak.  This is great news!21:17
+perlmonkey2Fixed the bug and, if this trend line holds, I'll be adding physical memory to my machine with enough reloads.21:17
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@Haargfirefox memory usage is hard to track.  it caches pages in the back list for a while.21:38
+perlmonkey2Haarg: I just did a tedious long test with 'ps aux|grep firefox' and about 100 reloads.  Memory usage bounced around a few KB, but had a steady max/min.  So I called it good :)21:39
+perlmonkey2can't believe that bug is finally fixed.  And in a fairly elegant manner.  It's been 'bugging' me for half a year.21:40
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: you got anything else for me while I'm feeling frisky?  If not I'm going to hang metal on the barn.21:47
+perlDreamerhmmm21:47
+perlDreamerI think you're good to go21:47
CIA-53webgui: Kaleb Murphy master * r2131e9f / www/extras/wobject/Survey/editsurvey.js : Corrected IE6/7 bugs while managing not to reintroduce the mem leak bug. - http://bit.ly/e0a0K21:48
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@bopboppreaction: are you there?23:44
@preactionyes'm23:45
@bopbopthat cart issue I emailed you about...23:45
@bopbopdo you want me to have perlDreamer look at it? or would you like me to post it as a bug? I don't mean to bother you with it if I should be taking it someplace else23:45
@bopbopI've been whipping perlDreamer with a wet noodle all day, so he's already geared up and ready23:46
+perlDreameroh, please bother him.  I'll do it anyway for help eventually23:46
@bopbopok.... lucky you perlDreamer :)23:46
@bopbopI'll be emailing you23:46
@bopbopI'm just trying to get it resolved so I can finish that section of shop guide, otherwise I'd let it sit23:46
@preactionbopbop: looks like a bug: 2009/08/27 15:54:27 - ERROR - betatraining.plainblack.com.conf - WebGUI::URL::Con23:48
@preactiontent::__ANON__[73] - WebGUI::Shop::Cart:226 - Need an amount.23:48
+perlDreamerwhy does that throw an exception for formatting 0?23:49
@preactioni don't know23:49
@bopbopI had an amount $700023:54
@bopbopis that what you mean?23:54
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r68f3082 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix Ad Asset hover help spelling errors. - http://bit.ly/27a6M400:52
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r95e979d / (3 files in 3 dirs): 01:12
CIA-53webgui: Form/AdSpace should should be a single select form element, not a multiple.01:12
CIA-53webgui: This fixes bug #10835. - http://bit.ly/3nMlEm01:12
+perlDreamerHaarg: can I give you the gamecrafter bug forum email bug?01:13
@Haargyeah01:14
@preactionshould be easy, just make sure it came into the right e-mail account01:17
@Haargi have a fix, it will just be rather annoying to test.01:20
@Haargthe workflow has no tests yet of course01:21
@Haargi have to head out - hoe much will you hate me if i check it in untested for now?01:22
CIA-53wgdev: Graham Knop master * r19b3447 / (5 files in 5 dirs): 01:22
CIA-53wgdev: remove auto-detection of config files01:22
CIA-53wgdev: Also cleans up WGDev::Command tests greatly. - http://bit.ly/hqyVE01:22
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rdd89a77 / (4 files in 4 dirs): 03:22
CIA-53webgui: Display the minimum number of clicks and impressions that must be03:22
CIA-53webgui: bought by the user, in the buy ad space form.03:22
CIA-53webgui: tidy up code. Fixes bug #10843 - http://bit.ly/gZ7tB03:22
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6c9ae74 / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/AdSpace.pm : Leave instructions on how to replace images in an Ad. - http://bit.ly/gIzmP06:42
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+perlDreamerI'm calling it a night.07:58
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kindhornmanTrying to install on openSUSE-11.1 but fails with this message:09:43
kindhornmanUpdating WRE config.  Configuring MySQL.      Connecting      Couldn't connect to remote MySQL server to configure it.     Couldn't connect to MySQL because DBI connect('test;host=mylinux;port=3306','mike',...) failed: Can't connect to MySQL server on 'mylinux' (111) at /data/wre/lib/WRE/Mysql.pm line 93 at ./wreconsole.pl line 1261   09:43
kindhornmanAnyone get past this point in 11.1 ?09:44
JDanI haven't have SUSE. But it appear MySQL not stared or you don't have properly set 'mylinux' in /etc/hosts. 09:49
JDanAt first look if MySQL started. `ps ax|grep mysql`09:49
kindhornmanyes it started.  Also fairly certain /etc/hosts is o.k.  Hmmmm...09:52
JDanCan you connect to MySQL port? `telnet mylinux 3306`09:52
kindhornmanConnectio refused...  But you brought up something that 'may' be pertinent...09:54
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kindhornmanWhy do I get this:09:57
kindhornmantelnet: connect to address 127.0.0.2: Connection refused09:57
kindhornman Seems it should be 127.0.0.1 but it is nearly midnight and the brain is fading...09:58
JDanWow! I don't know. 09:58
JDanSo, check what do you have at /etc/hosts09:58
kindhornmanI've been seeing this (127.0.0.2) fora while now and don't know when it started showing up but I suspect it was during one of those installs of Glassfish (JAVA EE App server).09:59
JDanSo, set proper IP and install WRE. 10:00
kindhornmanAs I can change the default to 127.0.0.1 I'll try that next.  I'll do that tomorrow morning here in L.A..  Thanks for the help and I'll check in again then.10:02
kindhornmanP.S.  First time using irc in 10 + years..  I'll need to start brushing up on my typing skills  :-)10:04
kindhornmanBye.10:04
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carograybartjol: you there?12:35
+bartjolyeah12:36
+bartjolcarogray: I'm here12:36
carograydo a have a coupla minutes?12:36
+bartjolyes, but noit very long12:37
carograythis is a quick question - solution somewhat longer, so don't worry about solution..12:37
+bartjolok12:38
carograyhave you ever uploaded cgi-bin/*.pl file to a WebGUI site?12:38
+bartjolno12:38
carograyok that was easy! thanks..12:38
+bartjolI did use one though for my translation server12:38
carograyhave a good day12:39
+bartjol:)12:39
carograyyou did?12:39
carograywould you have any time later today to tell me more?12:39
carograyoh translation server is different I guess... never mind12:39
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+bartjolwell, that is on the server carogray,but I downloaded it somewhere12:48
+bartjolbut I would have to look up where, I believe I copied it from svn12:49
carograyI don't want to take up your time now...do you have a little more time later today when you could explain some more...I don't need a specific file, I have some files I need to move from a non-WebGUI site to our new site on PlainBlack and I am not sure how to do it.12:49
+bartjolbut is it for download?12:53
+bartjolcan't you use a file pile for that12:53
carograynot sure about it at all...12:54
+bartjolwell, I will be available some more this afternoon. But a clear goal might help ;)12:54
carograyI have about 10 of these ..http://www.livejustice.org/cgi-bin/answer.pl12:54
carograythat I need to get to work, if I can on our webgui site...12:54
carograynot sure how to do it at all...12:55
+bartjolah, do you need that scrip, or can you use a functionality that does the smae12:55
carograyif you don't have time that is fine....just wanted to know if it is even possible, like...*.php files we can't/don't put on WebGUI didn't know about these kinds of files12:56
carograyk.. Iknow you are taking precious time this am ... can you let me know later when you have a little more time to explain? If you don't have time that's ok too 12:56
carograyto answer your question, as long as it looks and works the same no one cares, just want it done, quick and dirty like ;-)12:57
+bartjolwell, it is executing script, which is hard to run by just uploading12:58
+bartjolit mostly looks like a data form12:59
carograyyes, but it fills in the form at the bottom...13:00
+bartjolah, that sounds like dynamic stuff13:00
carograydidn't realize that when I blithely said, oh yes, no problem we can do that...thinking it was just a data form13:00
carograyyeah.13:00
+bartjol:)13:00
+bartjolmmm, I am thinking more in yui13:00
+bartjolbut other people have more experience in that13:01
carograythat's why I was wondering if there were some way to take the files on the current server and fix paths and then stick em somewhere on our webgui server...13:01
+bartjoleverything is possible.13:01
carograyknow anyone who would be willing to help me out with this, or should I go straight to the PB peeps13:01
carograyof course there is always the hysterical panicked deadline thing....13:01
+bartjolbut if you host at plainblack, you should ask them13:02
carograyfrankly I would be happy just to make it look like it's working and then get it working after next Monday13:02
carograythat's what I thought - PB is probably the best way to go...13:02
+bartjolprobably they can put that script somewhere on your domain dir13:02
+bartjoland make redirect rules for those url's in the apache conf13:03
carograyoh man that would be terrific... will try to get in a login request right away..13:03
+bartjolbut then the script is totally independent of the webgui site13:03
carograydo I care?13:04
+bartjoldunno13:04
carograyat the minute it is independent.. I think... it comes up in a new window13:04
+bartjolbut for this implementation you should be at PB13:04
carograythe data doesn't need to be, actually should not be kept anywhere, just so people can use the forms13:04
+bartjolbut if you propose what I did just now to PB, then they have a clear proposal13:05
+bartjolthey like that13:05
carograyright - :) I have already copied what you told me and am about to simply paste it into the login request.13:05
carograythanks for putting it in language I do not understand, but they will that ought to save us a couple of hours13:06
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KlausHHi! The files under WebGUI/www/extras/tinymce-webgui are a special webgui development / add on?16:06
+MrHairgreaseI think so16:06
KlausHSo I have to translate them too.16:07
KlausHAre there dictionaries for tinymce-webgui/plugins/wgspellchecker/langs ?16:07
KlausHeven the en.js is empty16:07
+MrHairgreaseuhm16:09
+MrHairgreaseI dunno16:09
+MrHairgreasebut en.js is not empty16:09
+MrHairgreasemartin@martintwee:/data/WebGUI/www/extras/tinymce-webgui/plugins/wgspellchecker/langs$ cat en.js16:10
+MrHairgreasetinyMCE.addI18n('en.spellchecker',{16:10
+MrHairgrease    add_word    : 'Add word to dictionary'16:10
+MrHairgrease});16:10
KlausH:-)16:10
+MrHairgreaseMy guess is that you should supply de.js files with the contents of the en.js files translated to German16:11
+MrHairgreaseBut I'm not sure if those are still actively used16:11
KlausHI will test it16:12
+MrHairgreasesince there's also a mechanism to get i18n entries from webgui16:12
+MrHairgreaseyou could either do that, or wait some time until the USA wakes up.16:12
KlausHfor these extensions?16:12
+MrHairgreaseto ask them16:13
KlausHHey, it16:13
+MrHairgreaseabout how these things should be translated16:13
KlausHHey, It's 8 o clock in Madison ;-)16:13
+MrHairgreaseindeed it is16:13
+MrHairgreasethose lazy bastards =)16:13
KlausHpssss.16:13
+MrHairgreasemaybe they're busy preparing for the wuc16:14
+MrHairgreasespekaing of which16:14
+MrHairgreaseare you attending?16:14
KlausHI cannot come to the WUC this year perhaps next year.16:15
+MrHairgreasetoo bad...16:15
KlausHLast year was great16:15
+MrHairgreaseit was16:16
KlausHI will use the time to post a lot of REFs and bug reports from Germany16:17
+MrHairgreasehehe16:18
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+MrHairgreaseI will use the time to indulge in spotted cow16:18
+bartjolI believe same  tinymce translations were added, noit sure german was there too16:23
KlausHthe formControls are strange. When posting an RFE for example, in the Attachments line I have "Browse" and "remove" on my English system, on my German system I have "Durchsuchen" and "remove". English and German are mixed.16:27
KlausHbartjol, have you created Dutch files for the tiniymce-webgui extensions?16:29
+bartjolI believe I'm referring to this bug http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/i18n-in-rich-edit-in-dutch-breaks, which is something different16:29
+bartjolah, I see16:29
+bartjolfor example insert macro still doesn't work16:30
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+bartjolKlausH: I did that once, but apparently these were updated by tinymce originals17:01
+bartjoland some stuff seems to be browser based17:01
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+perlDreamerMrHairgrease!17:11
+perlDreamerHow was your vacation?17:12
+MrHairgreasehot!17:12
+MrHairgreasejust like me =)17:12
+perlDreamerwell, this is a side-effect of being Eurotrash.17:12
+perlDreamerkind of like having too many 9's in the Pie chart generator17:13
+MrHairgreaseheh17:13
+MrHairgreaseyeah17:13
+perlDreamerHow in the world did that make a difference?17:13
+MrHairgreaseImageMAgick is a piece of crap17:13
+perlDreamerthis is known and understood17:14
+MrHairgreaseIt used to segfault is you'd tell it to draw an elliptic arc that has the same begin and end point17:14
+MrHairgreaseso I made it almost the same endpoint17:14
+MrHairgreasewhich did indeed fix the problem17:14
+perlDreameryes, I read that in the code comments17:14
+MrHairgreasebut apparently something changed17:15
+MrHairgreaseor I never tested the 100% case 17:15
+MrHairgreasei dunno17:15
+MrHairgreasemy guess is the bug kristi reported was the same thing.17:15
+MrHairgreaseThe image magick b's running  has prolly been upgraded since I wrote that pie chart thingy17:16
+MrHairgreaseand this version doesn;t segfault17:16
+MrHairgreasebut just stick up its middle finger17:16
+MrHairgreaseah well 17:16
+MrHairgreasea few 9's less17:16
+MrHairgreaseand everything works again17:17
+MrHairgreaseCrap17:18
+MrHairgreaseI just found out that my Template JSON patch doesn't work as well as I'd hoped17:18
+MrHairgreaseThe problem is that everything is wrapped in style templates17:19
+MrHairgreaseso all the var's for the style templates are returned17:19
+MrHairgreasewhich is not what I need...17:19
+perlDreamerheh17:20
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+perlDreameryou know, on the one hand, having the currency formatter throw an exception when it gets no price has been a royal pain17:34
+perlDreameron the other hand, it's exposed a lot of bugs that we probably would have otherwise missed17:34
+MrHairgreaseoeh17:36
+MrHairgreaseI can just double parse the returned json17:36
+perlDreamerhow about forcing the use of a blank style?17:36
+MrHairgreasebecause it has the stuff i want in body.content17:37
+MrHairgreaseoh yeah17:37
+MrHairgreasethat would be much better17:37
+perlDreamerwell, even with a blank style, there will always be body.content17:37
+perlDreamerbut less other crap to deal with17:37
+MrHairgreaseyeah17:37
+MrHairgreaseno17:37
+MrHairgreasewait17:37
+MrHairgreasewhy would that be...17:38
+MrHairgreasesince I'm setting the mimetype17:38
+MrHairgreaseall the headtags carp and friends should not be outputted anyway17:38
+MrHairgreaseso maybe processStyle could take that into account as well17:40
+MrHairgreasewell17:44
+MrHairgreasesomething to discuss during the hackathon methinks17:44
+perlDreamerwith the rate of things we have to talk about at the hackathon, I think we may have to expand it17:46
+bartjolwell it is a 9 till 5 event17:47
+MrHairgreaseyou mean all the way into the bar?17:47
+bartjolooh, hacking with spotted cow17:47
+bartjolmay be best to limit ourselves to acme at the bar17:48
+perlDreamerI'm sure that bars have wifi17:49
+perlDreamerbartjol, are you collaborating with MrHairgrease about VIES?17:49
+bartjoldo you call me a collaborator?17:50
+bartjolBut I spoke him about it17:50
+bartjolhe thought the opposite of my approach17:50
+perlDreamerI can't believe it17:52
+perlDreamerBoth rory and MrHairgrease wrong at the same time!17:52
+perlDreameror.....17:52
+bartjolor only me17:53
+bartjolwhat are they false on17:53
+perlDreamerwasn't your approach to do a retry for each VIES that failed?17:55
+bartjolyes17:55
+bartjolaah17:55
+perlDreamerinstead of to scan all of them like a cron job?17:55
+bartjolit was17:56
+bartjolwell, both approaches work17:56
mducharmehrm17:56
+bartjolhuman resource management17:56
+perlDreamermaybe there's some other good reason that we don't know about for doing that?17:56
+perlDreamerMrHairgrease: wake up!17:56
+bartjolwell, he thought it was needlessly complex17:57
+perlDreamerperhaps, but if all the VIES are fine then you don't have a workflow banging around17:57
+MrHairgreaseyou summoned me?17:58
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+perlDreamerIs there some other reason it's better to have the VIES workflow scan all VIES entries, instead of only checking the ones that need it?17:59
+MrHairgreaseah17:59
+MrHairgreaseI just spoke Bart In REAL LIFE18:00
+MrHairgreasecan you imagine?!?!18:00
+MrHairgreaseanyway18:00
+MrHairgreaselast time I spoke about it with Bart, I misunderstood him18:00
+MrHairgreasehis approach is fine18:00
+MrHairgreaseso there you have it18:01
+MrHairgreaseBoth me and rory wrong at the same time18:01
+MrHairgrease=)18:01
+bartjoland the earth trembled from this bizarre event18:03
+MrHairgreaseif you say so....18:03
+bartjolmaybe it was my car rattling in the wind18:03
+perlDreamermaybe it was the wind blowing though your house?18:09
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+MrHairgreasehttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m953f5c218:12
+MrHairgreasethat fixes the issue18:12
+MrHairgreaseadded are lines 6-818:12
+MrHairgreasecould that be seen as a bugfix????18:14
+MrHairgreaseOh18:14
+MrHairgreaseit's in WG::Session::Style18:14
+perlDreamercomments:18:16
+perlDreamer1) it's not indented (yeah I know, nitpicking)18:17
+perlDreamer2) it needs tests18:17
+perlDreamer3) I'd really like to see that headers_in check encapsulated in a method, so we don't have to chase it through the code18:17
+perlDreamermaybe $session->http->wantsJSON?18:17
+perlDreameror something else?18:17
+MrHairgreaseagreed on 2 and 318:18
+MrHairgreasethis was just Proof Of Concept18:18
+perlDreamergotchas18:18
+MrHairgreasewhat do you mean by not intende18:18
+MrHairgreased18:18
+MrHairgrease?18:18
+perlDreamerthe code you pasted is left justified, and not indented like the rest of the code in the sub18:18
+MrHairgreaseoh yeah18:18
+MrHairgreasei do that always with code that has to removed again18:19
@Haargwhat is that trying to fix?18:19
+MrHairgreaselike $log->warns and other debug crap18:19
+MrHairgreaseThe problem is that the json that is generated by Asset::Template is also processed by Session::Style::process which wraps the JSON we want into ...18:20
+MrHairgreasebod.content18:21
+MrHairgreaseSince the mime-type is set already in Template you'd say it shouldn't process the style at all18:22
+MrHairgreasesince that should only happen when the mime-type is text/html right?18:22
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+MrHairgreasewell18:30
+MrHairgreaseit can wait till the wuc18:30
+MrHairgreaselater guys18:30
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+perlDreamerHaarg, there's a diff file in the spelling checker WebGUI plugin dir.  Can it be deleted?18:40
+perlDreamerhttps://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=714718:40
@Haargi'd rather leave it there18:41
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@Haargtinymce provides a spell check plugin, but we aren't using it as is.18:41
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+perlDreamernot a problem18:42
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd902174 / (4 files in 3 dirs): 18:42
CIA-53webgui: Provide warnings in the Cart and Ship Driver screens when there are no18:42
CIA-53webgui: shipping plugins configured. This prevented checkout no feedback.18:42
CIA-53webgui: fixes #10849. - http://bit.ly/gj19t18:42
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+perlDreamerwe need some kind of introspective script that can go through the db, keep track of all the storage locations, and then clean up ones left over from old bugs18:47
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0b43ba6 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Use the right group in the canView check for Shop settings. fixes #10845.18:52
* perlDreamer is thinking about a run18:55
+perlDreamerany last second questions?18:55
perlmonkey21yes, how would you go about getting GWT into wG?18:58
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+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: think wG818:58
+perlDreameryou also might want to review the original thread about choosing a JS toolkit, and why GWT wasn't chosen originally18:59
perlmonkey2perlDreamer: just like magic?  JS that can't be edited without a GWT project will be allowed in?18:59
+perlDreamerI don't think that would happen18:59
@Haargi doubt it.18:59
perlmonkey2I don't see why GWT is really considered a toolkit.  It is a higher level language that compiles into JS, usually much more efficiently than can be hand coded in JS.19:00
+perlDreamerGWT was originally considered, and rejected for a reason19:00
+perlDreamerif you really want GWT, you'll need to come up with a compelling argument to overcome that reason19:00
perlmonkey2No reason to not use GWT with YUI as libraries.  GWT doesn't add to the size of scripts and should actually reduce sizes and number of net connections.19:00
+perlDreamerand you're debating the wrong person19:01
+perlDreamerI hate all JS equally19:01
perlmonkey2yeah, it an't going to happen.19:01
@Haargit adds another language to know to work on webgui.  that itself is probably enough reason to not use it.19:03
perlmonkey2that was JT's main argument.  His minor point was that it doesn't gain us much, but it is pointless to argue that when he's right about the additional hurdle of Java.19:04
perlmonkey2Just every time I write JS I feel like an asm coder who knows about a killer C++ compiler that would make tighter code, much easier, than what he's doing.19:05
perlmonkey2Any interesting bugs to work on?19:11
ckotilhow are we getting mod_ldap and mod_authnz_ldap into the wre?19:23
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ckotili guess webgui doesnt use mod_ldap, but i need to have the modproxy apache use it.19:32
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BartJol1carogray: have you already proposed the use of your pl files?19:38
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@tavistoperlDreamer20:43
+perlDreamerhey, tavisto!20:45
+perlDreamerwhat can I do for you, my brother?20:45
@tavistodo you remember awhile back.. there was a shop bug where if someone added a couple products to their cart and then checked out, that it wouldn't take them to the confirmation screen but rather back to one of the product pages?20:48
+perlDreameryes20:48
@tavistoI fear that bug has reared it's ugly head again20:48
+perlDreamertalk to me, tavisto20:48
@tavistoTGC has a couple customers who attempt to checkout20:48
@tavistowhen they do, it creates an order for them on TGC, but they are taken back to one of the product pages (that they added to cart)20:49
@tavistoinstead of seeing the confirmation screen. The order status does not process as "OK" and so the merchant account does not actually process the credit card transaction (even though a record of the order is created under transactions)20:49
+perlDreamerhelp me out a little.  Do you know which products?20:50
+perlDreamerwhich shipping?20:50
ifluxsup perlDreamer?20:50
* perlDreamer is a Shop-bug-fixing-fool20:50
+perlDreamertavisto, I'll have a peek at the logs in a bit.20:51
@tavistoexcellent20:52
@tavistoyou'll want to look at order 171 and 17220:52
@tavistothey are fresh as of 3am20:52
@tavistothe customer emailed me at 3:26 so somewhere right before then20:52
+perlDreameroy20:53
+perlDreamerthat's good and recent, I'll dig into it20:53
+perlDreamercurrently I'm tasked with fixing Kristi's Shop bugs20:53
+perlDreamerwhich will also make you happy since they affect the CMS20:53
+perlDreameruh cmsmatrix20:53
@tavistoneato20:55
@tavistooh the advertising dealio20:55
+perlDreamerroger that20:56
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd0648ec / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Document 2nd bug fixed by commit 12267. - http://bit.ly/d9fMx21:02
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@preactionwhat's our level of support for opera?21:59
@preactionreal question: should a bug in JS that only affects Opera block us from going stable?22:00
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@Haargwhat is the bug?22:01
@preactionthe new code editor is impossible to use22:01
@preactionit's probably easy to fix, i've just got some other bigger issues to fix with it and i got until Tues to do it22:02
@Haargdoes the new editor have an option to disable it?22:02
@preactionno, though i could add one22:02
@Haargit probably doesn't need it22:02
@Haargi'd say leaving opera with just a textarea would be acceptable though.22:03
@preactionwell, knowing how people seem to bitch about everything...22:03
@preactioni'm testing the IEs right now22:03
@Haargtrue, but this editor is much simpler.  the only reason it was a problem with the old editor is that is had lots of problems even when it was 'working'.22:04
@preactiongreat, completely busted in IE8 as well22:11
@steveo_aaAre you sure "completely busted" isn't a security block in IE8 regarding secure and insecure content on the same page?22:16
@preactionyes, there's !!CURSOR_HERE!! at the top of the page and the margins are off so the line-numbers are hidden22:17
@preactionthe !!CURSOR_HERE!! is some magic for other purposes, but it should never appear to the end-user22:17
@steveo_aaOk, just something I ran across recently.22:18
@preactionyeah, there's gonna be plenty of problems with this in IE in the future I expect :(22:18
@preactiondoesn't load at all in IE7... beautiful22:18
@preactionhmm... you notice that when a dev says "completely broken" it really means "some level of broken with no clue as to why"22:25
@preactionso it could be just "text out of alignment" but it's "completely broken" if i don't know why the text is out of alignment22:25
+perlDreameryou need to get your characters balanced22:40
+perlDreamerevery 50,000 characters22:40
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+perlDreamerHaarg: do you know what could cause utf8::downgrade to fail?23:00
@Haargyou have a specific case of this?23:00
@Haargand what does 'fail' mean?23:00
+perlDreamerwell, in this case it would mean to return false23:00
+perlDreamerwhen trying to convert content23:01
+perlDreamerI do have a specific case23:01
+perlDreamerIt happened during an ITransact checkout23:01
+perlDreamerafter credentials were submitted, and the XML message was constructed for sending23:01
@Haargseems like an odd place to use downgrade23:02
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rdaf9284 / lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver/ITransact.pm : Remove debug code. - http://bit.ly/hCe1L23:02
+perlDreamerin the logFile, I see : HTTP::Message content must be bytes at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver/ITransact.pm line 46023:02
+perlDreamerHTTP::Message is the super class of HTTP::Request, which is used to submit the data to ITransact23:02
@Haargis this something you were trying to add?23:03
+perlDreamerno, it's existing code23:03
@Haargah23:03
+perlDreamerthe submitter of the transaction is from Italy23:03
+perlDreamerI can show you his address data, if that helps23:03
@Haargbasically, you want to encode the data somehow before passing it to content23:04
@Haargif itransact accepts utf8 then you'd want to use that23:05
+perlDreamerlooks like they only take latin-123:09
+perlDreamerwhich explain the attempt to use utf8::downgrade23:11
@Haargby 'they' you mean HTTP::Message?23:11
+perlDreamer"they" is ITransact.  But the utf8::downgrade happens inside HTTP::Message23:11
@Haargis that documented somewhere?23:12
@HaargHTTP::Message works on bytes, so it's using utf8::downgrade to make sure it only has byte data23:12
+perlDreamerthe XML examples in their docs have encoding='ISO-8859-1'23:13
@Haargand not wide characters23:13
+perlDreamerthe funny thing is, I don't see any wide characters in the transaction data23:13
CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9d23680 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix styling of pagination in the default search template. Fixes #10851. - http://bit.ly/11vYEk23:52
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+cap10morganwhoa, just noticed i'm nominated for the colin kuskie award. thanks guys/gals! *blush*00:07
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+perlDreamercongrats, cap10morgan!00:46
+cap10morganthanks :)00:47
+perlDreamerI see that KlausH is also nominated00:48
+perlDreamerwhoa, apache got hacked00:50
carogray1hi guys, - dumb but VERY EASY question for YOU GUYs to answer...00:54
carogray1Graham has told me I can zip a bunch of files and upload them to our/PB server.00:54
carogray1I am asking you cause it's a quicker turn around time rather than waiting for him to get the email on the support board.00:54
carogray1is it ok to ask now, or are you in the middle of something else?00:55
+perlDreameryou can always ask00:57
carogray1k00:57
carogray1I FTP'ed (actually WinSCPed) the files all down to my hard drive and now have them copied over onto portable storage whatchamacallit, card thing...00:57
carogray1In the folder each file is duplicated with a ~ at the end.00:57
carogray1i.e. continuance.html and continuance.html~, answer.html and answer.html~ 00:57
carogray1also in the cgi-bin folder00:57
carogray1answer.pl and answer.pl~00:57
carogray1the ~ files have different dates from those without - should I zip them ALL up and send them or are the ~ only temporary and why in one folder is there a file that has ~ but no same name without?00:58
carogray1I just don't want to send more than he needs to sort through. Happy to send the whole lot, but trying to make it simpler for him.00:58
@Haarg~ files are created by some editors as backups00:58
carogray1people editors?00:58
carogray1ok dates for non ~ files are about 2 years earlier, so I shall just send files without, yes00:59
carogray1?00:59
@Haargyeah, you shouldn't need to include the ~ files at all00:59
carogray1thanks -00:59
carogray1:-D getting right on it!00:59
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CIA-53webgui: Persist form data in the Files and Images.02:02
CIA-53webgui: Reformat lots of AdSku code, and change it to persist the storage for uploading an Image ad. - http://bit.ly/CVabb02:02
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+perlDreamerIn recent news, Kathy Kuskie passed all of her first term classes!06:58
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SquOnkAnybody around?05:51
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SquOnkHi. Anyone around?01:39
carograyonly me, a complete novice when it comes to WebGUI01:40
SquOnkcarogray: Oh, ok.01:41
carograygood luck01:41
SquOnkcarogray: Thanks.01:42
carograywelc - back to breaking my brain on CSS - ugh.01:42
SquOnkcarogray: However, I think I figured out my problem already. Sometimes it's enough to articulate the question in your mind to figure out the problem ;-)01:42
carograyi know EXACTLY what you mean I have spent the last 3 days staring at stuff giving up, watching a movie and then seeing that I didn't put a space between a ) and u and therefore a whole element was invisible or in the wrong place! double ugh.01:43
SquOnkcarogray: Wanna tip? Get a doll and talk to it. A Gooey doll may suffice...01:44
carograyhaha01:44
SquOnkcarogray: I usually talk to my associate when we do XP together. But when I'm hacking alone, I have a doll around...01:44
SquOnkcarogray: ...and I just explain the problems to it :-)01:44
SquOnkcarogray: Remember the Muppet's mad scientist? I have the assistant :-)01:45
carograyI need a doll who knows CSS - I just learned after hours of frustration that "all blocks floated unless an image have to have their width defined".  I didn't know that!01:45
carograyI sort of remember the Muppets - that was after my time and only saw them when I was babysitting but didn't do much tv watching with kids when babysitting...01:46
carograyhow you guys can spend so much time doing all this programming is beyond me. I do see how satisfying it is when it finally works but it takes so long for it to work and so many stabs in the dark... 01:47
carograyfor me that is...01:47
SquOnkcarogray: Well, not not nitpick, but CSS is not programming :-)01:48
SquOnkcarogray: Making the computer do exactly what you want it to do is part of it.01:48
carograyyes, I know. programming is even HARDER...01:48
SDuensinNo, because programming makes sense.  CSS is just alien.  :-)01:49
carograyI know it's the details that get me. I am not a detail person.01:49
SquOnkcarogray: lol01:49
carograyhaha i like that01:49
carograythat's a true programmer speaking01:49
SquOnkcarogray: And nothing beats writing a program that _generates_ programs that do what you want.01:49
SDuensinSquOnk - That's what I've been doing lately.  Coding things that build code so I can reproduce builds.01:50
SquOnkSDuensin: That's what I've doing for over a decade now ;-)01:50
SDuensinWell, come do mine!  :-P01:50
* SquOnk works with compilers, translators and all sorts of code-generation creepy stuff01:50
carograyoh my god! I am not putting you down I have just benefited immensely from exactly (I think) what you are talking about this weekend. If I can figure out this CSS the new build your own webGUI site on the demo will have saved me this weekend01:51
SquOnkTo give you an example...01:51
SquOnk...I had students complaining about the lack of solved exercises for a particular course I teach (the book has about a dozen).01:51
SquOnkAnd the solutions usually need graphs and formulae.01:52
SquOnkSo I wrote a Perl script that generates exercises, solves them (creating the graphs and formulae with LaTeX), and generates the program that solves the problem too.01:52
SDuensinCool01:52
carograyback to my css - guys bye01:53
SquOnkNow they complain about not having time to try out "all the possibilities", so I said "if you can explain how my program works, you'll know everything you need to know to pass"01:53
SquOnkcarogray: Bye01:53
SquOnkNow I'm rewriting the thing in Haskell01:53
SquOnkMaking Venezuela a better country by pushing students away from Java and PHP.01:54
SDuensinNever messed with Haskell.  I really don't need another language right now.  :-)01:54
SDuensinPHP, ok.  But I like Java!01:54
SDuensin(PHP is the new BASIC.)01:54
SquOnkOh Java is bad in so many levels...01:55
SquOnk...but I digress01:55
SquOnkI do my work in Perl, Haskell and Erlang, most of the time.01:55
SDuensinThe class library is bad, yes.  It needs a rewrite.  :-)01:56
SDuensinI looked at Erlang a bit.  It's interesting.01:57
SquOnkSDuensin: And the boxing is annoying.02:00
SDuensinGuess I'm just used to it.  :-/02:00
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elninohow do I look at the backlog of this chat room?06:48
@preactionsome of them are here: http://mentalhouse.net/irc/logs/webgui/06:49
elninoperfect. Thnks.06:50
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@preactionhttp://blog.digg.com/?p=878 <- the worst news i've ever seen. nay, the worst news of this still-young millenium18:12
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@tavistohey I happen to like IE618:42
@tavistoso back off18:42
@preactiontavisto: you're dead to me18:43
@tavistomuwhaha18:43
@preactionnow keep quiet or you might become dead to everyone else too18:43
@tavistoI see dead people18:43
@preactionyou looking in a mirror again?18:43
@tavistoit's a twist.18:43
@preactionknow anyplace else i can get wifi? my starbucks 2 hours is about to expire18:43
@tavistopanera bread18:44
@preactiondon't have any of those around here18:44
@preactioni'd go to mcdonalds, but i can't stand the food18:44
@tavistohttp://www.wififreespot.com/wi.html18:44
@tavistoculvers has it18:45
@preactionooh nice18:45
@tavistoglass nickel pizza18:45
@tavistopublic library18:45
@preactionha! the public library18:45
@tavistosundance cinemas18:45
@preactionew. westhaven. snooty bastards18:45
@preactioni'm in Oshkosh, not Madison18:45
@tavistooh yeah crap18:46
@preactionbut my public library has it too, so that's where i'm headed next18:46
@tavistosaweet18:46
@preactionafter a refill on the coffee18:46
+danny_mkdon't most towns provide free access these days?18:46
@preactionOshkosh isn't exactly the height of civilization18:46
@tavistoheh, and even in big cities they dont18:46
@tavistowhenever we travel for exhibiting at tradeshows... good internet is always hard to find18:47
+danny_mkhmmm... we must be privileged18:47
@preactionas part of my iphone plan i get free wi-fi, but only on the phone itself18:49
* preaction wishes at&t did tethering...18:49
+danny_mkhow about a hotel lobby18:49
+danny_mkisn't that always free?18:49
@preactionthat might work, if the public library doesn't18:49
@tavistopreaction!!!18:50
@tavistothat reminds me18:50
+danny_mkand they do tend to have decent restaurants18:50
@tavistothere is a dat file you can upload to your iphone that allows that. at&t cannot detect it18:50
@preactionyeah, i think i remember reading about that18:50
@preactionwasn't sure why i didn't want to do it18:50
@tavistoi forgot all about that.. no jailbreaking required. you just sync a file that makes your iPhone turn the US tethering option to 1 instead of 018:51
@tavistoapparently the guy has a friend at at&t (so he says) and at&t cannot see the tethering since the phone isn't jailbroken and using a workaround18:51
@tavistostill not sure that AT&T couldn't detect it and apply back billing18:52
@preactionlooks like it requires too much weird hackery for my tastes18:53
@preactionwait, looks like my home connection is back up. i can ping my mail server19:03
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carograymore slightly panicked and therefore dumb questions - is there a way to be absolutely sure of the IP address we are giving to DNS people when redirecting their domain names to our PlainBlack servers?19:52
carograyI seem to have two numbers one I got from the automat and one from an old email I sent someone in December '0819:53
carograyis there any website you can type in the IP address and find out what websites live at that ip address?19:53
carograyrather than who owns the server that has that iip address ?19:54
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preactionso it turns out my problem was a loose phone cord that was hitting a metal shelf and shorting out the circuit21:43
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SynQwhoo hoo!22:19
SynQI have just given away more then half my Karma22:19
SynQhow good that feels :)22:20
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mducharme-workare we getting close to a 7.7 stable release?22:51
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+perlDreamerafternoon, folks23:12
BartJol1howdy23:13
elninohey perlDreamer23:15
elninoI looked at the Smaps.23:15
+perlDreamerOh?23:15
+perlDreamerand?23:15
elninoand .. my smaps.pm looks like it already has that patch.23:15
+perlDreameroh....23:15
elnino=(23:15
elninotho23:15
+perlDreameroh well, back to the drawing board23:15
elninoletme dig that up again.23:16
elninohttp://www.mail-archive.com/modperl@perl.apache.org/msg20084.html23:16
elninoMine has the portable statement.23:17
elninowhich according to the thread made it sound like that was what would fix "it"23:17
elninobut the next line after that, doesn't look like what I have.23:17
+perlDreamerwell, the recommended patch is from 200723:18
+perlDreamerand it doesn't say which version of Smaps it is against, only diffs against dates23:18
elninothe next line looks like this (which means nothing to me) use Class::Member::HASH qw{pid lasterror filename procdir23:19
elnino _elem -CLASS_MEMBERS};23:19
elninobut it doesn't look like that would do anything either.23:19
elninoit was a good try tho.23:19
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CIA-53webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r22ea557 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Give EMS'es default values for Schedule Locations per Page. Fixes #10868. - http://bit.ly/lRPAY23:42
preactionperlDreamer: if Safari and Firefox work perfectly for the new code editor, and IE has a minor problem with whitespace that doesn't affect input, should I throw it in?23:44
+perlDreamerhow minor?23:44
preactionthere are extra newlines shown at the beginning that disappear when you begin to enter text, causing the text to jump23:45
preactioni know it's a problem with the highlight routines, i could in theory disable them for IE temporarily until this problem is fixed23:46
+perlDreamerI'd rather have no highlights than jumpy text23:46
preactionalright, i'll see what i can do23:46
elninoI dont' know what you guys are talking about, but just a thought.23:47
elninois there a line in the html code for the editor that doesn't need to be there?23:47
elnino I know that probably shouldn't make a difference, but I found sometimes in ie it does for editing fields.23:47
preactionno, nothing like that. there's a lot of JS magic going on in here23:48
elninook. =)23:49
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