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iflux | http://thereifixedit.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/scottw-motorbike.jpg .. I got no comment for that picture man.. but.. wow.. | 00:05 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: doug * r12000 /WebGUI/ (t/Inbox.t lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm t/Inbox/Message.t): change "testing" to "no_email" for inbox messages | 00:08 |
+perldreamer | was that driving you crazy, preaction? | 00:32 |
@preaction | no, i just needed the feature | 00:32 |
@preaction | there are other things that drive me crazy about the way the inbox works | 00:32 |
+perldreamer | me, too | 00:33 |
+perldreamer | it starts at line 1, and ends at 1; | 00:33 |
@preaction | yeah, it could probably use a complete overhault | 00:33 |
@preaction | all of this directed attacks against little bugs and features is creating monsters out of our APIs | 00:34 |
+perldreamer | yay, I've got the modules | 00:54 |
+perldreamer | now can I build them? | 00:54 |
+perldreamer | when building the WRE, is there a way to get it to ONLY BUILD perl modules | 00:59 |
+perldreamer | and not to do anything else? | 00:59 |
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+MrHairgrease | so | 20:02 |
+MrHairgrease | the eagle has landed... | 20:02 |
+MrHairgrease | http://www.plainblack.com/tbb/i-have-arrived-in-lisboa | 20:02 |
+MrHairgrease | I'll be going tomorrow! | 20:03 |
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hansw | hi | 01:04 |
hansw | hmm, webgui is a bit weird, I've already been away from the office for 2 weeks and I still do not get any complaints | 01:05 |
mducharme | complaints about what? | 01:15 |
mducharme | and how is webgui weird | 01:16 |
mducharme | heh | 01:16 |
daviddelikat | thats rough, perhaps you should try something that generates more complaints :) | 01:16 |
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hansw | will try that :-) | 01:30 |
hansw | and another week to enjoy the holidays, it even seems to get warm over here | 01:32 |
daviddelikat | wheres 'over here'? | 01:33 |
hansw | germany | 01:33 |
hansw | 30 degrees celsius | 01:33 |
hansw | around 86 Fahrenheit I think | 01:34 |
daviddelikat | 123qwe | 01:34 |
daviddelikat | oops | 01:34 |
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hansw | :-) | 01:34 |
hansw | well, that might be visible at our site but it will not work | 01:35 |
daviddelikat | its the default for the vm... | 01:35 |
hansw | ai | 01:35 |
daviddelikat | I haven';t bothered to change it because I reset so often i've nothing to lose | 01:36 |
hansw | we have a simular policy for intranet/test servers | 01:36 |
hansw | but once they are about to go live the root pwd and site login's change | 01:37 |
daviddelikat | 'course right now it doesn't work at all because the root filesystem is full... | 01:37 |
hansw | lol | 01:37 |
hansw | / or the complete filesystem? | 01:38 |
daviddelikat | well theres a /boot partition, but everything else is in / | 01:38 |
daviddelikat | not my choice, but i live with it... | 01:38 |
hansw | that is kind of sick, sorry | 01:38 |
hansw | that is why I would love to see tablespaces in mysql and logging on another machine | 01:39 |
daviddelikat | it wasn't really intended for what I'm using it for either... | 01:39 |
daviddelikat | i learned how to 'remount' a filesystem... | 01:40 |
hansw | every few weeks I have a customer that is not willing to sign the sla we are using but who is complaining about a non working application | 01:41 |
hansw | remounting is only nice with new disks I think | 01:41 |
hansw | and the customers /var is always filled for 100 percent | 01:41 |
daviddelikat | remounting is for when you fill the root filesystem and it gets turned to readonly | 01:41 |
hansw | stupid hp-ux, it does not recycle logfiles | 01:42 |
daviddelikat | you remount it so that you can delete files and get the system running | 01:42 |
hansw | logrotate is working though | 01:42 |
hansw | ah, ok | 01:42 |
daviddelikat | we have logrotate, but for some reason i'm getting an incredible number of errors ina short period of time. | 01:43 |
hansw | on hp-ux? | 01:43 |
daviddelikat | no centos | 01:43 |
daviddelikat | is related to webgui | 01:43 |
hansw | ah, should not be a problem | 01:43 |
daviddelikat | something in the email config | 01:43 |
daviddelikat | it will go away again when I reset | 01:43 |
hansw | postfix? exim? | 01:44 |
daviddelikat | then it comes back after I've used it a while... | 01:44 |
daviddelikat | not sure, I never touch the mail system. | 01:44 |
daviddelikat | too busy with my own stuff... | 01:44 |
hansw | or even sendmail... shiver | 01:44 |
hansw | daviddelikat, did you look at the pre and post actions in the logrotate config? | 01:45 |
daviddelikat | all I know is thata in about 5 minutes the maillog can grow to about 6 gig | 01:45 |
hansw | if you have a busy server then it should first stop accepting | 01:45 |
daviddelikat | its not busy. I'm the only user. | 01:46 |
hansw | not busy while generating 6 GB in 5 minutes? | 01:46 |
daviddelikat | its my development system | 01:46 |
daviddelikat | it seems to go haywire on occasion | 01:47 |
daviddelikat | like i said its not intended for what im using it for | 01:47 |
hansw | did you maybe made the same mistake as I did? I once put a class online (php) that logged bad connections to a mysql server. The server was a little fast so once the mysql server did not accept connections it started to email to me for 30 seconds | 01:48 |
hansw | it resulted in some 2800 e-mails | 01:48 |
hansw | after that I refactored it to send only 1 message per http request :-) | 01:49 |
daviddelikat | i could be something like that, I don't know everything webgui does with email... | 01:50 |
hansw | well, a grep for mail or smtp should make it a little more clear | 01:54 |
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+perlDreamer | all right, all you Europeans | 23:06 |
+perlDreamer | Return rizen, or else... | 23:07 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: I tried two different ways of doing resize on EditArea, and struck out on both | 23:07 |
+perlDreamer | that ones going to need to be done by someone more skilled in Javascript | 23:08 |
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+perlDreamer | BartJol, shouldn't you be sleeping? | 00:24 |
+BartJol | it's only 23:30 | 00:24 |
+BartJol | so, yeah, I have some inclination for going to bed | 00:24 |
+perlDreamer | while rizen is gone, I should implement my plot to subvert WebGUI, and thereby, TAKE OVER THE WORLD! | 00:25 |
+BartJol | or at least PB | 00:26 |
+BartJol | well, we can plot something | 00:26 |
+BartJol | but now I want in | 00:27 |
+perlDreamer | you want a piece of the action? | 00:27 |
+perlDreamer | not a problem | 00:27 |
+BartJol | sure | 00:27 |
+perlDreamer | How does New Zealand sound? | 00:27 |
+BartJol | good, should I go there? | 00:27 |
+BartJol | or are we sending JT? | 00:28 |
+perlDreamer | No, you can have it | 00:28 |
+BartJol | cool | 00:28 |
+BartJol | and make it a law to use WebGUI for websites | 00:28 |
+perlDreamer | I don't know if the beer is any good, but I hear they make good movies there. | 00:29 |
+BartJol | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_in_New_Zealand | 00:29 |
+BartJol | if you arrange that new glarus will export spotted cow to NZ | 00:30 |
+BartJol | I will survive | 00:30 |
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+perlDreamer | That James Cook was a smart guy | 00:30 |
SquOnk | Hi everyone | 00:31 |
+BartJol | so, is there any detailed plan? | 00:31 |
+BartJol | hi SquOnk | 00:31 |
SquOnk | Updated 7.6.33 packages in my Debian repo | 00:31 |
+BartJol | cool | 00:31 |
+perlDreamer | SquOnk, in general, how well are laptops supported by Debian? | 00:32 |
@preaction | quite well | 00:32 |
@preaction | my last macbook booted right up with ubuntu | 00:32 |
* perlDreamer would really like to use Skype on his laptop | 00:32 | |
+perlDreamer | badly enough that he might leave fedora | 00:32 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Quite well. I'd suggesting NOT using Debian (or Linux for that matter) on the newer Sony VAIOs, though. | 00:32 |
+perlDreamer | I always buy Dell's | 00:33 |
+BartJol | Martin runs linux on his vaio | 00:33 |
SquOnk | MacBooks work almost aout of the box if you have ReFit installed. | 00:33 |
+BartJol | not sure how new that one is | 00:33 |
SquOnk | The only "trick" is to add model=mbp2 for your ALSA drivers, but that's about it | 00:33 |
SquOnk | I run a Thinkpad T60p (two years old). Had to go with a custom kernel because of a buggy Atheros driver. | 00:34 |
SquOnk | Dell laptops work flawlessly most of the time. | 00:34 |
SquOnk | Avoid the Lenovo SL, stick to the X, R or T | 00:34 |
+perlDreamer | is there a compatibility matrix? | 00:34 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Not that I know of. | 00:34 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: What I usually do with friends that ask is Live boot them with Debian Live or Ubuntu and check out if everyting works. | 00:35 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: If they've got a plain old Intel chipset, everything will work out of the box. | 00:35 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: If you get the weird Atheros wifi cards, you'll have to do some additional work (in _some_ cases) | 00:36 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: If you need hardware 3D on ATI/nVidia cards (high end laptops, like mine) then you'll need to add the proprietary drivers (which are in the non-free part of the repo, mind you) | 00:36 |
+perlDreamer | of course | 00:39 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: I've been using Thinkpads exclusively since 2001 and the _all_ work out of the box, except the SLs (avoid them like the plague) and the 'p' class off the T series having high-end hardware config. | 00:40 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: My associates carry a T41 and a MacBook (not Pro) with Debian Lenny, the first has 3D accel on the low-end ATI card and the other has 3D accel on the Intel integrated card the MacBook has. | 00:41 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: I tend to avoid HP laptops: crappy hardware and shiny screens. | 00:41 |
+perlDreamer | my first laptop was a Toshiba, and I was chasing network and video issues for a long time | 00:42 |
+perlDreamer | then I switched to Dell, and have had no problem | 00:42 |
+perlDreamer | until this Vostro 1510, with audio and microphone issues | 00:42 |
SquOnk | Intel HDA | 00:42 |
SquOnk | One API, infitine CODECs from hell. | 00:43 |
@preaction | anyone here familiar with DBIx::Class? i have some planning questions | 00:43 |
@preaction | or anyone just want to help me brainstorm which of two methods is better? | 00:43 |
SquOnk | preaction: Shoot | 00:44 |
@preaction | one way I can have WebGUIx::Asset be a way to find assets, like WebGUIx::Asset->find('any') | 00:44 |
@preaction | this way requires that base functionality be in a role, which is i think a problem | 00:44 |
@preaction | base functionality like www_view, view, prepare_view, commit, www_edit get_edit_form, etc... | 00:45 |
@preaction | the other way is that WebGUIx::Asset is the base class with all this basic functionality, then WebGUIx::Asset::Schema is how you find assets | 00:45 |
SquOnk | preaction: I'm not that familiar with WebGUI's database model. | 00:46 |
@preaction | either way there are classes WebGUIx::Asset::Tree and WebGUIx::Asset::Any for the "asset" and "assetData" tables respectively | 00:46 |
SquOnk | preaction: What you basically want is "a table, a class" | 00:46 |
@preaction | mainly there are three important tables for every asset: "asset", "assetData" and the asset's own table | 00:46 |
@preaction | asset isn't versioned, assetData and their own tables are | 00:46 |
@preaction | i have that part done, it's just the question: Should common functionality to all assets be a role or a class to be inherited from? | 00:47 |
SquOnk | preaction: Methods on the class. | 00:48 |
@preaction | so a class to be inherited from? | 00:48 |
SquOnk | preaction: Say you have a table Foo where you CRUD. Then you have My::Schema::Foo | 00:49 |
@preaction | yes, but the asset system doesn't translate well to that | 00:49 |
perigrin | define your use of the term "role" | 00:49 |
SquOnk | preaction: Say you have a very weird/complex query that involves Foo and it's not easily modelled as a 'has' relation; here's when you write a custom method for class Foo | 00:49 |
perigrin | :) | 00:49 |
@preaction | because there are methods that work on "asset" and "assetData" that need to be part of the base class, not $self->asset->method and $self->assetData->method | 00:50 |
@preaction | perigrin: Moose::Role | 00:50 |
perigrin | Role | 00:50 |
@preaction | http://github.com/preaction/modern-webgui <- contains the code for the first situation | 00:50 |
perigrin | which will do what SquOnk is saying afaict | 00:50 |
@preaction | i'm thinking of changing it to a WebGUIx::Asset base class and WebGUIx::Asset::Schema for the DBIx::Class::Schema | 00:51 |
SquOnk | What's the relationship between Asset and AssetData? 'has many', right? | 00:52 |
@preaction | asset has_many assetData | 00:52 |
perigrin | (also pet peave ... Moose enables strict/warnings ... ) | 00:52 |
SquOnk | preaction: Ok, then if you have an asset you can get into assetDara and back with DBix::Class autogenerated methods. | 00:53 |
SquOnk | preaction: And you still have "one table, one class" | 00:53 |
@preaction | SquOnk: yes, i realize, that's the problem. you have to use those autogenerated methods. | 00:53 |
SquOnk | preaction: If the query becomes so hairy that you don't want it to show in the main code, you just wrap it up as an additional asset method. | 00:54 |
@preaction | so let's say I have a "Snippet" asset, WebGUIx::Asset::Snippet. if I want to get the www_view method, I do $asset->www_view. but if I didn't define one, that method is only defined in WebGUIx::Asset::AssetData | 00:54 |
@preaction | www_view needs to use methods from asset, assetData, and Snippet | 00:55 |
SquOnk | preaction: Ah, you want a way to override the methods in case they're not defined. | 00:55 |
@preaction | but www_view for a Template asset needs asset, assetData, and Template | 00:55 |
SquOnk | Now I begin to understand ;-) | 00:55 |
perigrin | are the sub-methods in Template and Snippet named the same? | 00:56 |
@preaction | which is why i'm thinking WebGUIx::Asset should define www_view and collect the info it needs, so that individual assets can inherit from it | 00:56 |
perigrin | something you can require as an Interface? | 00:56 |
@preaction | perigrin: yes | 00:56 |
* perigrin still things it sounds like a role then :) | 00:56 | |
@preaction | but i don't want it to be only abstract (not a Java interface) | 00:56 |
perigrin | no no www_view would be implemetend in the role | 00:56 |
perigrin | and requires() the method from Snippet and Template | 00:57 |
@preaction | but every asset will inherit from the Role, there is no asset that cannot have this Role | 00:57 |
perigrin | sure ... a) you don't inherit from Roles (that kind of thinking will screw you up later) and b) compose it into a base class | 00:57 |
@preaction | i mean, sure, it's only a difference between "extends WebGUI::Asset" or "with WebGUI::Asset::Role::Common" | 00:57 |
SquOnk | preaction: Look at 'Dynamic Sub-classing DBIx::Class proxy classes' in DBIx::Class::Manual::CookBook | 00:58 |
perigrin | that's a big difference conceptually ... | 00:58 |
@preaction | ooh, inflate_result will solve the newByDynamicClass problem | 00:59 |
SquOnk | Good | 01:01 |
SquOnk | See you later | 01:03 |
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@preaction | perigrin: so you suggest i should keep doing what i'm doing? | 01:03 |
perigrin | preaction: I dont' understand the underlying data well enough | 01:05 |
perigrin | but yes what you're doing + the dynamic subclassing should get you to where you want | 01:05 |
perigrin | the www_view problem is very natural to a Role decomposition | 01:05 |
perigrin | it'll give you compile time checking if the required method from Snippet and Template don't exist | 01:06 |
@preaction | okay, the one more problem i want to solve: I want to make Versioning a Role. if you don't use the Versioning role, your asset never creates versions | 01:06 |
@preaction | nm, i figured it out | 01:06 |
@preaction | Roles can completely replace methods and call the former method | 01:06 |
perigrin | eh wha? | 01:07 |
perigrin | Roles get replaced ... but you can around a method and subvert the system | 01:08 |
@preaction | yeah, around is what i want | 01:08 |
perigrin | from what you just described ... a role that adds either an around or an after modifier to the asset save method is what you want | 01:08 |
@preaction | before it needs to create the new revision. after it needs to see if an error occurred and delete the revision if so | 01:09 |
perigrin | around sounds right :) | 01:09 |
perigrin | the only hiccup is you gotta manually call $self->$next(@_) otherwise things go hinky | 01:10 |
@preaction | though if the implementing class has to override process_edit_form, there may be some real weirdness | 01:10 |
perigrin | how so? | 01:10 |
@preaction | well, i need the return value from $self->$next(@_), if it throws, i need to clean up | 01:10 |
perigrin | right ... you also should provide a stubbed $next or make sure it's in the requires() list | 01:11 |
perigrin | sub foo { } around 'foo' => sub { ... } is a common idiom | 01:11 |
@preaction | process_edit_form will also be in the Common role | 01:11 |
@preaction | the two parts will create the full functionality we have currently | 01:12 |
@preaction | i really really wish this wasn't my first major project with DBIx::Class and Moose | 01:12 |
@preaction | if i had the knowledge you have, or if you had the WebGUI knowledge I have, this would probably be pretty straightforward :p | 01:13 |
perigrin | retro-fitting any old codebase is never easy | 01:13 |
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@preaction | would it be bad to call a class "WebGUIx::Asset::Any"? | 01:18 |
@preaction | i like being able to say $schema->resultset('Any')->find(...) | 01:19 |
@preaction | Any being any asset (thus, the assetData table) | 01:19 |
perigrin | I dn't see why not | 01:25 |
perigrin | audrey has a place where she does bless { ...}, '0'; | 01:26 |
@preaction | uh... i don't rightly begin to comprehend that one | 01:26 |
perigrin | $obj = bless {}, 0; if (ref $obj) { ... } | 01:27 |
perigrin | she's hiding the fact that an objet is in fact an object | 01:27 |
perigrin | or even a reference | 01:27 |
@preaction | oh lord | 01:28 |
@preaction | ha! now i get it | 01:28 |
@preaction | that is evil | 01:28 |
perigrin | in her problem domain it works ... but yes | 01:28 |
perigrin | she does it in Data::Thunk? something like that ... whatever her Promise implementation is | 01:28 |
@preaction | let's say i hope to never have a reason to need that | 01:29 |
perigrin | :) | 01:29 |
perigrin | she also started writing Perl 6 in Haskell so YMMV | 01:29 |
+perlDreamer | all things considered, she did do pretty well with that | 01:35 |
+perlDreamer | you could argue that she kept Perl6 alive, until Parrot came around | 01:35 |
+perlDreamer | (again) | 01:35 |
* perigrin nods | 01:36 | |
perigrin | I've heard recently she's said that she's given up Perl6 because Moose is so nice :) | 01:37 |
+perlDreamer | ha! | 01:38 |
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@Haarg | i think i may get rid of my goofy module combining thing in wgd and just have it use a file archive | 03:33 |
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elnino | oh good grief. I'm trying to pass in a parameter to a sqlreport and wrap wild cards around it (%) in the query. Any suggestions? I haven't any luck with concat or anything. I suspect I need to create a variable, but not sure how to do that. Meanwhile I'm searching webgui. | 04:40 |
@Haarg | i'd say concat is the best way to do it | 04:41 |
@Haarg | how did you try to use it? | 04:41 |
elnino | I did. I got an error: ... letme try it again to get the error... | 04:42 |
elnino | I put it in the query portion, not the prequery portion. | 04:42 |
@Haarg | yeah | 04:43 |
elnino | opps. | 04:43 |
@Haarg | you'd do something like | 04:43 |
elnino | dumb user error. | 04:43 |
elnino | hold one. | 04:43 |
elnino | s/one/on | 04:43 |
@Haarg | where field = concat('%', ?, '%') | 04:44 |
@Haarg | by yeah, i meant you were correct | 04:44 |
elnino | yeah, dumb user error. bad eye sight. what ever you want to call it. | 04:44 |
elnino | thanks Haarg! | 04:45 |
@preaction | fat-finger. pebkac. picnic | 04:46 |
@preaction | we have plenty of ways to describe ourselves being idiots, considering it happens so often ;) | 04:46 |
@preaction | there's probably a good psychological paper in there about negative self-thinking in the programming community | 04:46 |
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elnino | I'm assuming that assetHistory gives me the url history of an asset? | 04:55 |
elnino | and if one "clears" the url history, the records are deletd from that table? | 04:55 |
@Haarg | it would record the history of the url, but it's not really designed for that | 04:55 |
@Haarg | if you 'clear' the url history (change url function) it won't change existing records in the assetHistory table | 04:56 |
elnino | oh. is there a better place to find url history of an asset? | 04:57 |
elnino | hmm. assetData perhaps | 04:58 |
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+bartjol | mmm, I thought the bazaar was in the bazaar | 12:05 |
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+bartjol | mmm | 15:55 |
+bartjol | why is a dn variable made in the NewMail macro, but nothing happens to it | 15:55 |
+bartjol | s/dn/db/ | 15:56 |
+bartjol | or actually it's an object | 15:56 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12001 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm t/Asset/Event.t): | 19:55 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Add more tests for getEndDateTimeNI. Remove extra whitespace. Add proper legal | 19:55 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: notice and POD headings. | 19:55 |
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+perlDreamer | it's like watching IRC jumping jacks | 20:03 |
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mducharme-work | fun | 20:29 |
mducharme-work | at work on a holiday | 20:30 |
+perlDreamer | sorry, dude | 20:30 |
mducharme-work | UPS decided to kick the bucket | 20:30 |
mducharme-work | thankfully was nothing more major than that | 20:30 |
mducharme-work | at least everything is running again now | 20:30 |
mducharme-work | hopefully nobody plugs in a coffee pot in the other wall or the servers will go down | 20:30 |
mducharme-work | lol | 20:30 |
+perlDreamer | I have a nice toaster oven you can borrow | 20:31 |
mducharme-work | ;P | 20:33 |
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+perlDreamer | yo, perlmonkey2 | 21:30 |
+perlDreamer | have you converted to Debian? | 21:31 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction: calendar converted over to non-inclusive end times. | 21:51 |
+perlDreamer | It is much happier now | 21:51 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, i am working on the code editor thing | 21:51 |
+perlDreamer | awesome! | 21:51 |
+perlDreamer | I did try the destroy method, but it didn't clean up the drag bars | 21:52 |
+perlDreamer | I wish you luck :) | 21:52 |
@Haarg | it's a little evil, but if i just set the width/height of the iframe i won't need to destroy the dragger at all | 21:56 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12002 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 21:58 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Finish making end times non-inclusive in the Calendar. This affects both the | 21:58 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: week and the month views. Day and List views are generated based only on the | 21:58 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: start date. | 21:58 |
+perlDreamer | I spent about 2 hours trying to replace it, and about another two hours trying to switch back and forth between YUI and EditArea resizers | 21:58 |
mducharme | is there any easy way to add more date formats into webgui? | 22:18 |
mducharme | sometimes I want a date display format that is not exactly one of the ones listed.. I took an old macro that someone wrote for an older webgui and made it work with the new version to reformat a date, it'd be easier if the date format table allowed custom strings | 22:19 |
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+perlDreamer | mducharme: is the Date macro ^D useful? | 23:07 |
@Haarg | the editarea resize was easier than i expected | 23:07 |
@Haarg | didn't end up having to do anything to the iframe since it automatically copies the width: 100%; height: 100% from the textarea | 23:10 |
+perlDreamer | that's cool! | 23:10 |
@Haarg | so it's using the yui resize control for when it's enabled or disabled | 23:11 |
@Haarg | which is a big improvement over the editarea's own resize control | 23:11 |
+perlDreamer | Can I see how you did it? | 23:11 |
+perlDreamer | I'd like to see what I was doing wrong yesterday | 23:12 |
@Haarg | i committed it | 23:12 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12003 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Forward porting calendar non-inclusive end times fix. | 23:12 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: graham * r12004 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 4 dirs): fixed #10667: cannot change size of template editor | 23:12 |
@Haarg | also cleaned up the textarea since it was using copies of yui's css files for some reason | 23:12 |
+perlDreamer | so basically, this wraps the textarea in a div, and it's the div that gets resized? | 23:17 |
@Haarg | yes | 23:17 |
@Haarg | that's how the textarea worked before, but it did more work than it needed to | 23:18 |
@Haarg | so i simplified that some | 23:18 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: been running debian for a few days. going to switch back to cent when I get a chance. | 23:20 |
+perlDreamer | debian's no good? | 23:20 |
+perlmonkey2 | just doesn't feel as fully fleshed out as RHEL. | 23:20 |
+perlmonkey2 | For instance I noticed in the logs that root had spontaneously logged in, su'd to nobody, and logged out 3 minutes later. Probably cron. But cron doesn't log, it emails. But it didn't send an email to anybody. Not root and not my default user. | 23:21 |
+perlmonkey2 | This leaves open the question of what that login was and also makes me think that if the defaults for cron's emails aren't set up properly what else isn't? | 23:21 |
+perlmonkey2 | One, iptables isn't set up by default. | 23:22 |
+perlmonkey2 | you have zero firewall. selinux isn't installed by default. | 23:22 |
+perlmonkey2 | And most importantly of all, my folding@home points per day half dropped by 50% with debian. | 23:22 |
perigrin_ | obviously the right answer is freebsd then :) | 23:24 |
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+perlDreamer | haarg: I've gotten most of the calendar import issue done. Next I need to see how the floating time zone is going to affect importing from Google's holiday feed. | 23:31 |
+perlDreamer | will you be working on the 7.5.40 latin1 upgrade issue next? | 23:31 |
@Haarg | yes | 23:31 |
mducharme | perlDreamer: the I'm speaking mostly of collaboration systems and RSS feeds | 23:39 |
mducharme | where the date macro does not help much.. | 23:39 |
mducharme | unless I'm missing something | 23:39 |
mducharme | and I should say syndicated content instead of RSS feeds... | 23:40 |
+perlDreamer | is this an aggregated item in the SC, or a feed that the SC is generating for you? | 23:41 |
+perlDreamer | from what I can see, in the HTML version of the SC output, it gives you access to the publication date of each item as an epoch. | 23:44 |
+perlDreamer | that would feed right into the Date macro | 23:44 |
mducharme | ahh | 23:49 |
mducharme | never realized.. | 23:49 |
+perlDreamer | can I share a secret with you? | 23:49 |
mducharme | sure | 23:49 |
+perlDreamer | there is a ton of information in the online help for the assets | 23:49 |
+perlDreamer | no one reads it | 23:49 |
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+perlDreamer | and they end up missing a lot of WebGUI's capabilities | 23:49 |
mducharme | I looked in there a while back | 23:50 |
mducharme | but last time I looked into this was like a year or two ago | 23:50 |
+perlDreamer | whenever you start to use an asset, go back and read the template help page for that asset | 23:50 |
mducharme | so if it's something that's been added in in the past few years I might not know about it | 23:50 |
mducharme | I couldn't find a way to do it back then | 23:50 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: how come I find RHEL/Fedora to be far superior to Debian/Ubuntu, but Deb/Ubuntu seem to have 2-3 times as many users? And where could you get an honest answer that wouldnt' involve some sort of soul destroying flame war? | 23:52 |
+perlDreamer | LWN.net | 23:52 |
+perlDreamer | ask corbet, the editor there | 23:52 |
+perlDreamer | either that, or it could be the whole ideological issue | 23:53 |
+perlDreamer | mducharme: I checked 7.4 quickly, and it seems to have epoch dates as well | 23:54 |
+perlDreamer | but who knows? | 23:54 |
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+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: it could also be very similar to WebGUI vs Drupal/Mambo, etc. | 00:47 |
@preaction | ha, that's not even a contest | 01:04 |
@preaction | RedHat seems more suited to getting things done, Debian is a means to an end (a super-OS that contains the tools to build your real OS) | 01:04 |
@preaction | hence, Ubuntu | 01:04 |
+perlDreamer | Debian wasn't designed to be that, was it? | 01:09 |
@preaction | it's always been that way to me, it does the very least possible | 01:10 |
@preaction | it was weird when i set up my freebsd system and got nightly, weekly, and monthly e-mail reports | 01:10 |
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@preaction | debian was my first successful linux foray | 01:12 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: was iCal export another calendar add-on? | 01:32 |
@preaction | add on? | 01:32 |
+perlDreamer | add after the original release | 01:34 |
@preaction | no, it was part of the original spec | 01:34 |
@preaction | i was just working on using XP, so it got bolted on | 01:35 |
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+perlDreamer | Operation/Cron.pm needs a wrapper for manually running cron jobs | 02:00 |
+perlDreamer | returning spectre status codes is not very friendly | 02:00 |
+perlDreamer | yes! | 02:02 |
+perlDreamer | Google iCal import is working! | 02:02 |
@preaction | yay! | 02:02 |
+perlDreamer | which means that the Calendar Import bug (actually 5 bugs) is fixed | 02:06 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12005 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix iCal end day date arithmetic. | 02:09 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12006 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Forward porting Event iCal end day date math fix. | 02:09 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12007 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix iCal import. When there is no end time, one day needs to be subtracted from the endDate. | 02:09 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12008 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Forward porting iCal end day date math fix. | 02:09 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: yeah, that's what I am starting to think. | 02:45 |
+perlmonkey2 | The centos drama spooked me. Guess I should ahve waited. | 02:45 |
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+perlDreamer | It _was_ kind of creepy. He could have pwn'ed anyone with CentOS. | 02:51 |
* SDuensin cheers for iCal import! | 02:51 | |
+perlDreamer | I assume the check's in the mail, SDuensin? ;) | 02:52 |
SDuensin | Hey man, I didn't break it to begin with. :-P | 02:53 |
+perlDreamer | Note to all, I have a dinner date with Mrs. Dreamer tonight, so I'll be gone most of the evening. | 02:53 |
SDuensin | To answer the earlier Fedora/Ubuntu question... I can't stand RPM! | 02:53 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I was wondering about that pwnage. Do you think he has the repo keys? Does he just get to place packages in the repo without review? | 02:56 |
+perlDreamer | afaik, he just owns the domain and admins the server. | 02:57 |
+perlDreamer | which means he could hijack them, and point them anywhere | 02:57 |
+perlDreamer | which is better than unsupervised commits | 02:57 |
+perlmonkey2 | hmm, maybe I should go price RHEL :P | 02:58 |
+perlDreamer | eh, I'll stick with CentOS | 02:59 |
+perlDreamer | nothing has happened yet | 02:59 |
+perlDreamer | and I don't do automated updates | 02:59 |
* perlDreamer is outta here. | 02:59 | |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: holy moly, no wonder RHEL is now in the SP500. Have you looked at those prices? | 03:00 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: have fun at dinner. | 03:00 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12009 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Backporting CodeArea resize fix. | 03:14 |
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perigrin | preaction: http://search.cpan.org/dist/DBIx-Class-DynamicSubclass/lib/DBIx/Class/DynamicSubclass.pm | 06:03 |
@preaction | nice | 06:08 |
@preaction | i like this FrozenColumns thing too | 06:08 |
* perigrin has heard mst rant about it a few too many times to like it | 06:10 | |
perigrin | but it's basically what KiokuDB does for *everything* in its DBI backend so I can't complain too loudly | 06:10 |
@preaction | i like it only because we seem to have a hard-on for serializing shit | 06:38 |
@preaction | which is a pain in the ass for me | 06:38 |
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perigrin | You should look at KiokuDB :) | 07:07 |
perigrin | it's a fun kind of Evil :) | 07:07 |
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CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r5fb4fa8 / (lib/WGDev/Command/Db.pm lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm): POD cleanups - http://bit.ly/KOHr2 | 13:03 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * rdb8976c / (21 files in 3 dirs): more POD cleanups - http://bit.ly/14SIkS | 13:03 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * rdfc3c9d / lib/WGDev/Command/Ls.pm : Merge commit 'pdonelan/master' - http://bit.ly/xmVYA | 13:03 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Patrick Donelan master * r69a76a5 / lib/WGDev/Command/Test.pm : | 13:03 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Added coverOptions switch to test command | 13:03 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: The coverOptions switch allows users to customize the options passed | 13:03 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: to Devel::Cover. | 13:03 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: For example, if you want to get a coverage report of custom code with | 13:03 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: wg code excluded from the report, you could do something like: | 13:03 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: wgd test -C cover_db --coverOptions='+ignore,/data/WebGUI' t -r - http://bit.ly/AkiCD | 13:03 |
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+bartjol | mmm, would it be interesting if my wre build works on ubuntu 9.04 to supply that? | 17:08 |
+bartjol | I don't see the package at sourceforge | 17:08 |
+bartjol | only ubuntu 6 server | 17:08 |
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+bartjol | Haarg, if I have a precompiled ubuntu 9.04 wre package (supposing it does compile) do you want to have that for sourceforge? | 17:16 |
@Haarg | what version? | 17:17 |
@Haarg | i don't know why we wouldn't want it | 17:17 |
+bartjol | ok | 17:17 |
+bartjol | wre 0.9.3 | 17:17 |
@Haarg | you'll have to find somewhere to upload it though | 17:17 |
+bartjol | yeah | 17:18 |
+bartjol | that is a problem for later | 17:18 |
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+bartjol | ik won't be done running prolly before I go home | 17:20 |
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+perlDreamer | morning, folks | 18:49 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, I'm going to fix the invalid style template bug, because it affects 7.6 as well as 7.7 | 18:50 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12010 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (upgrades/upgrade_7.6.33-7.6.34.pl changelog/7.x.x.txt): Fix a bad style template used by the gallery images folder. | 19:08 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12011 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.7.16-7.7.17.pl): | 19:38 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Forward port gallery images folder style template fix, and also | 19:38 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: fix the Map templates folder. | 19:38 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12012 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Account/Profile.pm: Remove dead code from Account/Profile.pm | 20:23 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12013 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account/Profile.pm: Merge dead code removal for Account/Profile.pm | 20:23 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12014 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.33-7.6.34.pl: Change the upgrade script to always print DONE, whether it does anything or not. | 20:23 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12015 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 20:23 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Unify account layout templates to use a similar style. | 20:23 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Change CSS to only apply account css rules to account content, instead of global/body content. | 20:23 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12016 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 20:38 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Unify account layout style. | 20:38 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Change CSS to only apply account css rules to account content, instead of global/body content. | 20:38 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg: I have a fix for the Opera matrix bug! | 21:57 |
@Haarg | cool | 21:57 |
+perlDreamer | it really is a YUI bug | 21:57 |
+perlDreamer | they assume that String has a trim method | 21:57 |
+perlDreamer | and apparently in Opera it doesn't | 21:58 |
+perlDreamer | so, I added String.prototype.trim = function () {...} | 21:58 |
+perlDreamer | and it works | 21:59 |
SDuensin | I love how you can mangle JavaScript. It's the only reason IE ever half-ass worked. :-) | 22:05 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, are you close to any commits? | 22:11 |
@Haarg | no | 22:11 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12017 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (www/extras/wobject/Matrix/matrix.js docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): | 22:12 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Work around a YUI bug with string trim function. This affects repainting | 22:12 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: in Opera on the DataTable. | 22:12 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12018 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 22:12 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Forward porting Matrix compare/search button fix. This is a workaround | 22:12 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: for a YUI bug, where it assumes that Opera will provide a string trim function. | 22:12 |
+perlDreamer | Then I'm going to try a release. | 22:12 |
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+perlDreamer | tavisto :) | 23:19 |
+perlDreamer | how 'bout them cmsmatrix bugs, huh? | 23:19 |
@tavisto | yeah I saw you smoked the one | 23:23 |
@tavisto | stupid Opera | 23:23 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12019 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/create.sql: Preparing for 7.6.34 release. | 23:23 |
+perlDreamer | now if I could figure out the other one with the version tags... | 23:23 |
+perlDreamer | how do users create a version tag on the site for you to approve? | 23:24 |
@tavisto | yeah and if you could work your magic so that the search function only returns matching CMS products | 23:24 |
@tavisto | They add a new CMS product to the matrix, or submit a news story on the homepage CS | 23:24 |
+perlDreamer | if they submit it, can they delete their own, too? | 23:25 |
@tavisto | not sure, I wouldn't think so | 23:26 |
@tavisto | what would be the interface for them to do that? They aren't admins | 23:26 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 23:26 |
+perlDreamer | but the idea of version tags just disappearing off the site is disturbing | 23:26 |
@tavisto | yeah I know | 23:26 |
+perlDreamer | how about some good news, then. Any recent big wins? | 23:27 |
+SynQ | hmm | 23:43 |
+SynQ | I'm looking forward to the WUC allready | 23:43 |
+SynQ | it 7.6.34 going to be released today? | 23:44 |
+perlDreamer | yes, SynQ | 23:46 |
+SynQ | nice | 23:46 |
+perlDreamer | chock full of bug-fixing goodness | 23:46 |
+SynQ | I'm getting in the good habit of updating all my stable servers within 8 days after a release | 23:47 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: what is a good WRE place to put spectre PID files? | 23:47 |
+SynQ | is spectre getting a pid file? | 23:48 |
+SynQ | nice | 23:48 |
@preaction | /data/wre/var | 23:48 |
+SynQ | not in the stable version I hope | 23:48 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 23:48 |
+perlDreamer | had to be done | 23:48 |
+SynQ | perlDreamer: /data/wre/var/run | 23:48 |
+perlDreamer | wre does not have a var/run, SynQ | 23:48 |
+perlDreamer | maybe you could fix that little problem? | 23:48 |
@Haarg | var/logs i guess | 23:48 |
+SynQ | I could fix that | 23:49 |
+SynQ | but then we would have to release a new WRE version | 23:49 |
@Haarg | i don't love the idea, but that's what we're doing for apache | 23:49 |
+SynQ | which is why I would say put that PID file into beta | 23:49 |
+SynQ | but if it must be done | 23:50 |
+SynQ | indeed | 23:50 |
+SynQ | put it in /data/wre/var | 23:50 |
@Haarg | is the pid file in this release perlDreamer? | 23:50 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 23:50 |
+SynQ | I would say put a comment into the gotcha file | 23:50 |
+SynQ | and make the PID file configurable in spectre.conf | 23:51 |
@Haarg | i think it would be reasonable to leave it for beta since it's not a huge bug. | 23:51 |
+perlDreamer | there is a comment in the gotcha file, and it's configurable in the conf file | 23:51 |
+perlDreamer | and I just finished upgrading | 23:51 |
+SynQ | then before you can continue with this upgrade you have to put it into spectre.conf manually | 23:51 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 23:52 |
+SynQ | I would recommend to create a /data/wre/var/run directory | 23:52 |
+SynQ | and put all .pid files in there | 23:52 |
+SynQ | currently modperl.pid and modproxy.pid are in /data/wre/var/logs | 23:53 |
+perlDreamer | SynQ, I'll find the guy who does WRE development, and assign him that task | 23:56 |
+SynQ | ah | 23:56 |
+SynQ | good plan | 23:56 |
+perlDreamer | do you happen to know who he is? :) | 23:56 |
+perlDreamer | I think you may be wearing his pants | 23:56 |
+SynQ | who would that be? | 23:56 |
+SynQ | :P | 23:56 |
+perlDreamer | he is a very nice fellow. Very smart, very sociable. | 23:57 |
+SynQ | very manipulative also | 23:57 |
+perlDreamer | really? | 23:57 |
+SynQ | and open to flattering | 23:57 |
+SynQ | but go ahead | 23:58 |
+SynQ | I am officially 'on holliday leave' | 23:59 |
+SynQ | I hope Tessa will give me some time off from holliday to work on my WUC presentation and on the WRE | 23:59 |
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+perlDreamer | I need to work on my slides, too. | 00:02 |
+perlDreamer | Perhaps Emma can help? | 00:03 |
+perlDreamer | I'm sure by now you've taught her some basic Unix commands | 00:03 |
+SynQ | uh | 00:05 |
+perlDreamer | I/O redirection | 00:06 |
+perlDreamer | Bash | 00:06 |
@Haarg | i haven't started my slides yet, but i only have a really short thing to do and it is about wgdev so it will be easy to write | 00:06 |
+SynQ | what she sais sounds like the output of 'cat /bin/bash | /dev/audio' | 00:06 |
+SynQ | slides? | 00:06 |
+SynQ | you are using slides? | 00:06 |
+SynQ | I was thinking of a strip-act :P | 00:06 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12020 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.34-stable: Release 7.6.34-stable | 00:08 |
+perlDreamer | okay, safe to commit now | 00:13 |
* perlDreamer waits expectantly for a flood of bug fixing commits... | 00:14 | |
@preaction | wow. if I want "spla.tt" it is $1000 for two years :( | 00:14 |
+perlDreamer | oy | 00:15 |
* preaction needs a cool domain to host some webgui listservs | 00:15 | |
+perlDreamer | how about splu.tt ? | 00:15 |
+perlDreamer | or lackof.info ? | 00:15 |
@preaction | ha: i.lack.info | 00:16 |
@preaction | you.love.us | 00:16 |
+perlDreamer | and the affiliated sites | 00:16 |
+perlDreamer | u.lack.info | 00:16 |
+perlDreamer | we.lack.info | 00:16 |
@preaction | parked :( | 00:16 |
@preaction | badl.ag | 00:16 |
* perlDreamer goes to run some errands | 00:17 | |
+perlDreamer | don't let that stop the huge influx of bug fixes | 00:17 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12021 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.6.35 development. | 00:23 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 01:05 |
+perlDreamer | seems like we're missing a huge influx of bug fixes | 01:05 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: how about webg.ui? | 01:06 |
@preaction | doesn't look like .ui is an available name | 01:09 |
@preaction | perlbot .ui | 01:09 |
@preaction | perlbot .gs | 01:10 |
perlbot | .gs is S. Georgia and S. Sandwich Islands | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: I'm not sure it's going to be possible to extend the RssAspect API to handle generic www methods | 01:15 |
+perlDreamer | the good news is that I have your excellent test suite to double check should I assay it | 01:15 |
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@preaction | perigrin: you around for a question or two about Moose/DBIx::Class and Roles v. Inheritence? | 04:45 |
@preaction | i'm thinking I want to set up WebGUIx::Asset to automatically set up some DBIx::Class relationships. It seems to me that this would be better done by inheriting. | 04:45 |
@preaction | over time, more functionality would be shoved into Roles, but WebGUIx::Asset would remain the superclass of all Assets | 04:46 |
perigrin | I am | 04:47 |
perigrin | That seems reasonable. | 04:47 |
perigrin | Did you see Ovid's notes from his talk in Lisbon today? | 04:47 |
@preaction | no | 04:48 |
perigrin | http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/39404 | 04:48 |
perigrin | http://chris.prather.org/perl/the-role-of-inheritance/ is my take on it | 04:50 |
@preaction | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m4a7c9c29 <- this is my theoretical basic new asset. anything i can make better? | 04:50 |
@preaction | there are relationships set up by WebGUIx::Asset->import() which load the "asset" and "assetData" tables | 04:50 |
perigrin | careful with the augment/inner ... it is really easy to make a broken API that way | 04:51 |
perigrin | I did it with XML::Toolkit the first time through | 04:51 |
@preaction | yeah, i just saw it and i'm mulling it over. it seems logical for style templates, but i dunno | 04:51 |
perigrin | it makes it hard to override | 04:52 |
perigrin | I'm not saying don't... | 04:52 |
perigrin | well I am actually | 04:52 |
perigrin | but feel free to ignore moe :) | 04:52 |
perigrin | er me | 04:52 |
@preaction | heh, it might be a good thing for Roles that need something from the module | 04:53 |
@preaction | but even that can be done with "requires" and done better | 04:53 |
perigrin | yes | 04:53 |
perigrin | requires is the way to do that | 04:53 |
@preaction | because the "inner" method is available to be called whenever, without the outer sugar | 04:53 |
perigrin | actually it wouldn't work with Roles. | 04:53 |
perigrin | a Role couldn't provide the inner() | 04:53 |
perigrin | only a subclass can. | 04:53 |
@preaction | right | 04:53 |
@preaction | the order thing | 04:54 |
perigrin | no the composability thing ... the original papers on Roles have a clause where any implementation of Roles/Traits should be possible to compile away into a standard class | 04:54 |
perigrin | they have a bit more ... real-ness ... in Moose than they do in say Scala | 04:55 |
perigrin | but the ultimate idea is that they're just a part of a class and when the system is run there's no difference from cutting and pasting them into the source. | 04:55 |
perigrin | this looks fine for a custom Asset implementation | 04:56 |
@preaction | but it's not evil of me to make sub WebGUIx::Asset::import { my $pkg = shift; $pkg->belongs_to( "the asset table"); $pkg->belongs_to( "the assetData table"); } | 04:57 |
perigrin | hmm | 04:57 |
perigrin | I might do that in BUILD ... or ask in #dbix-class | 04:58 |
perigrin | that's a bit more evil than I feel comfortable rubber stamping :) | 04:58 |
perigrin | and my DBIC foo fails there | 04:58 |
@preaction | http://desert-island.me.uk:8888/perldoc/dbic-pod/DBIx/Class/Ordered.pod <- sweet, here's lineage and parent/child relationships already set up for me | 05:12 |
@preaction | i'm not gonna do my evil right now, it can always be added later | 05:13 |
perigrin | the owner of that domain wuld be castaway on irc.perl.org | 06:54 |
perigrin | :) | 06:54 |
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+SynQ | hmm | 12:16 |
+SynQ | the gotcha.txt could have been a bit more specific at the 'create config for pidfile' line :) | 12:16 |
+SynQ | but I found out | 12:16 |
+bartjol | well, put it in the wiki | 12:17 |
+bartjol | en webgui.nl ook al aangepasty voor de deomo versie zie ik] | 12:18 |
+bartjol | oops | 12:18 |
+SynQ | indeed | 12:39 |
+SynQ | demo.webgui.nl and demobeta.webgui.nl are up-to-date | 12:39 |
daviddelikat | bartjol: whats 'aangepasty'? | 13:46 |
+bartjol | changed | 13:58 |
+bartjol | daviddelikat: or adjusted is maybe better | 13:58 |
daviddelikat | thanks, babelfish didn't have a clue... | 13:59 |
+bartjol | I jsut enterd some Dutch by accident | 14:00 |
+bartjol | and I made a type-o | 14:00 |
+bartjol | it is aangepast | 14:00 |
daviddelikat | no problem, it livens the place up a abit.!!! | 14:00 |
daviddelikat | babelfish needs an interlanguage spell checker | 14:01 |
+bartjol | that would be convenient | 14:01 |
daviddelikat | I supose the more languages you add, the more likely any set of characters in a row is a valid word... | 14:02 |
+bartjol | but google does give a correction | 14:02 |
+bartjol | at least 10 more people made the type-o | 14:03 |
+bartjol | with the t and the y next to each other, I can imagine | 14:03 |
daviddelikat | where did you get the correction? | 14:04 |
daviddelikat | I just typed it into google translate and it just fed the word back | 14:04 |
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+bartjol | just in a normal google search | 14:05 |
+bartjol | then it suggests aangepast | 14:05 |
+bartjol | but maybe because I'm in the Netherlands | 14:06 |
daviddelikat | no i get that too | 14:06 |
+bartjol | I get redirected to the dutch page | 14:06 |
daviddelikat | I also get lots of other stuff from your neck of the woods | 14:06 |
+bartjol | ? | 14:07 |
+bartjol | what kind of stuff | 14:07 |
daviddelikat | wikitionary with a bunch of dutch translation info | 14:07 |
daviddelikat | and a website named aangepast-lezen.nl | 14:08 |
daviddelikat | then a list of places where it is miss-spelled | 14:08 |
daviddelikat | all dutch text | 14:08 |
+bartjol | mm, I don't get the wikitionary | 14:09 |
+bartjol | well aangepast seems to be an exclusive dutch word | 14:09 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Patrick Donelan exceptions * r69a76a5 / lib/WGDev/Command/Test.pm : | 15:18 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Added coverOptions switch to test command | 15:18 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: The coverOptions switch allows users to customize the options passed | 15:18 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: to Devel::Cover. | 15:18 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: For example, if you want to get a coverage report of custom code with | 15:18 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: wg code excluded from the report, you could do something like: | 15:18 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: wgd test -C cover_db --coverOptions='+ignore,/data/WebGUI' t -r - http://bit.ly/JaqJY | 15:18 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop exceptions * r7577273 / lib/WGDev/Command/Test.pm : Merge branch 'master' into exceptions - http://bit.ly/17WTTw | 15:18 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop exceptions * r5433d3f / (16 files in 7 dirs): | 15:18 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Updated tests for new code. | 15:18 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Also fixes an number of bugs found by tests. - http://bit.ly/4wmPHw | 15:18 |
daviddelikat | Haarg: can you point me to some WG code for testing a function that requires a login? | 15:21 |
@Haarg | WWW::Mechanize style code? | 15:22 |
@Haarg | or just using the api? | 15:22 |
daviddelikat | sorr, I found it just after I asked... | 15:22 |
@Haarg | no problem | 15:22 |
daviddelikat | its in _test.skel,mech | 15:22 |
daviddelikat | teach me to look first ask second | 15:22 |
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+SynQ | ah | 15:28 |
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@plainhao | morning, peeps | 15:55 |
@plainhao | anyone know why adminBar complains about getUiLevel missing from a SKU asset? | 15:56 |
+bartjol | plainhao: well, it does determine to show or not from theUI level | 15:57 |
+bartjol | I can understand it needs itr | 15:58 |
+bartjol | oh, and goodmorning | 15:58 |
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+bartjol | plainhao: already discovered the problem? | 16:19 |
@plainhao | probably asset incompletely installed | 16:20 |
@plainhao | thanks, bartjol | 16:20 |
+bartjol | no problem | 16:21 |
daviddelikat | Haarg: how do I tell github that an issue is supposed to be tagged as a feature? | 16:21 |
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+bartjol | mm, where do the default settings from the admin user come from | 16:51 |
+bartjol | when adding a site? | 16:51 |
+bartjol | or visitor for the same matter | 16:51 |
+bartjol | i don't see something special in addSite.pl neither a database that is copied | 16:52 |
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+bartjol | morning kaleb | 16:58 |
+perlmonkey2 | hello bartjol, how's things? | 16:58 |
+bartjol | well, I'm fine | 16:59 |
+bartjol | my dual boot works fine, and my webgui on ubuntu too | 16:59 |
+perlmonkey2 | nice | 16:59 |
+perlmonkey2 | what are you dual booting? | 16:59 |
+bartjol | some Andre Hazes on the background | 16:59 |
+bartjol | windows xp an ubuntu 9.04 | 16:59 |
+bartjol | but now I want to change a default settin when adding a site | 17:00 |
+bartjol | so I'm reading code | 17:00 |
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+bartjol | that ubuntu is mainly for the wuc, as I don't wanna be dependant on the wireless at the concourse hotel :( | 17:01 |
+bartjol | and for some nerd credits | 17:01 |
+perlmonkey2 | Diep in mijn hart | 17:01 |
+bartjol | de koek is op | 17:01 |
+bartjol | he was a real man of the people | 17:01 |
+bartjol | drank a lot of beer and ate sausages | 17:02 |
+bartjol | a lot of them | 17:02 |
+perlmonkey2 | Barring the language barrier he sounds like a country singer. | 17:02 |
+perlmonkey2 | The old school type | 17:02 |
+bartjol | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgd7okoz8fA | 17:03 |
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+bartjol | they actually seem to eat all the three trays of sausages | 17:04 |
+perlmonkey2 | hah | 17:05 |
+perlmonkey2 | They looked like large enough fellows to do it | 17:05 |
+bartjol | he was, actually, the same as for Michael and Elvis, he still lives | 17:05 |
+perlmonkey2 | They share the same UFO? | 17:05 |
+bartjol | but do you know where the user preferences for languages are stored (so the setting for adding a site) | 17:06 |
+bartjol | UFO? maybe | 17:06 |
+perlmonkey2 | no idea where those preferences are stored. | 17:08 |
+bartjol | well, it is not a dumb question then... | 17:08 |
daviddelikat | is it possible that they are part of the database create script? | 17:09 |
+bartjol | yeah, I'm searching | 17:09 |
+bartjol | let's have a look | 17:09 |
daviddelikat | I found the insert for the group | 17:12 |
daviddelikat | and for Admin user | 17:14 |
+bartjol | ah | 17:14 |
+bartjol | it looks like create.sql | 17:14 |
+bartjol | in WebGUI/docs | 17:14 |
daviddelikat | what do you need to change? | 17:14 |
+bartjol | the language | 17:17 |
+bartjol | we have a dutch demo site | 17:17 |
+bartjol | demobeta.webgui.nl | 17:17 |
+bartjol | aaah | 17:21 |
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+bartjol | mmm, so this will break during an upgrade | 17:23 |
+bartjol | that's a pity | 17:23 |
daviddelikat | perhaps there is part of the demo create that could be made to change it for you | 17:24 |
+bartjol | well, I can change the sql file that is used, but also that will be changed during upgrade | 17:24 |
+bartjol | well, maybe only during wre upgrade | 17:25 |
+bartjol | aah, indeed | 17:25 |
daviddelikat | I have an ide, I'll get back to you | 17:25 |
daviddelikat | s/ide/idea/ | 17:26 |
+bartjol | but, since it is the beta demo, assets get added, so it is better to change the sql file | 17:26 |
+bartjol | cool | 17:28 |
daviddelikat | the easy way would be to change WRE to update the Admin user inside WRE::Site::create | 17:30 |
daviddelikat | that way you would only loose it on WRE Upgrades like you said | 17:30 |
daviddelikat | the hard way would be to mod the WRE to allow plugins during site create | 17:31 |
+bartjol | yeah, create an alternate create.sql and use that in the wre | 17:31 |
daviddelikat | and then you could plugin the change you like and it would never go away. | 17:31 |
+bartjol | well, especially when newe tables are created in webgui itself | 17:31 |
daviddelikat | no need to change the create sql | 17:31 |
daviddelikat | just a simple update after the create runs | 17:32 |
+bartjol | aah like that | 17:32 |
+bartjol | update userProfileData set language="Dutch" where userId="1" or userId="3"; | 17:33 |
daviddelikat | another option which would be middle ground would be tro mod the WRE to allow for a language to be configured | 17:33 |
daviddelikat | exactly | 17:33 |
+bartjol | that choice would be awsome | 17:33 |
daviddelikat | personally I'd go for the plugin | 17:34 |
daviddelikat | because it is most versatile | 17:34 |
daviddelikat | can you make the change for the simple update? | 17:34 |
@plainhao | bartjol, the sku asset was using a missing cpan module | 17:37 |
+bartjol | sure, I can work that out daviddelikat | 17:38 |
+bartjol | maybe not today | 17:38 |
daviddelikat | plainhao: what module was missing? | 17:38 |
@plainhao | well, this particular one was using JSON::Any, so i just installed it, it's not a core sku | 17:38 |
daviddelikat | bartjol: ok, I'm going to bring up the ideas to JT and others for consideration | 17:38 |
mducharme | if you wanted a site to automatically get certain templates and assets when it was created, would those have to go into the create.sql file? | 17:38 |
+bartjol | cool | 17:39 |
+bartjol | well, if it standard, there should be a coupling between the i18n site and the wre | 17:39 |
+bartjol | "choose which languages you want to install" | 17:39 |
+bartjol | and during adding a site "choose admin and visitor language" | 17:40 |
+bartjol | it is not that hard to install a language | 17:40 |
+bartjol | and since there are only 2 languages complete | 17:40 |
+bartjol | that might be a function that promises a lot and brings too little | 17:41 |
+bartjol | not that I can help it, Dutch translation is finished | 17:41 |
daviddelikat | mducharme: that too could go into the WRE::Site::create | 17:41 |
daviddelikat | but that would be a good support for adding a plugin system | 17:41 |
mducharme | daviddelikat: because we are a school division kinda, wanting to do website hosting for our schools.. I wanted to make a template site, like the webgui default one, but customized for a school's needs... | 17:42 |
+bartjol | well the currnet poll is abou the templates from the bazaar | 17:42 |
daviddelikat | mducharme: the simple thing would be to insert code into WRE::site::create that would install the packages after everything else is done. | 17:44 |
daviddelikat | you could also disable or modify any other options to get the site to do exactly what you want. ( apart from style which I think you can already specify ) | 17:45 |
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daviddelikat | as a plugin, you would create modules for the bits you want to change and insert them into the WRE code area | 17:47 |
+bartjol | well, I added a forum post | 18:05 |
+bartjol | not an rfe yet | 18:05 |
+bartjol | mmm, how many different threads are there on the fora on the new site? | 18:17 |
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+bartjol | hey, it's tha man!, goodmorning | 18:44 |
+perlDreamer | howdy, bartjol | 18:50 |
+bartjol | I finally have a respectable OS on my laptop | 18:51 |
+perlDreamer | which one? | 18:52 |
+bartjol | ubuntu desktop 9.04 | 18:52 |
+bartjol | ok ok, it does have a GUI | 18:53 |
+bartjol | and irritating sounds at starup | 18:53 |
+bartjol | but still | 18:53 |
+bartjol | the silence is deafening (which, by chance is also a Napalm death song) | 18:56 |
* perlDreamer is stunned that you didn't pick Fedora :) | 18:56 | |
+bartjol | well, the day that all nerds agree on the best linux distro will also be the day that the universe collapses | 18:57 |
+bartjol | well I have debian experience | 18:58 |
+bartjol | so I choose to stay close | 18:58 |
+bartjol | well, it is time, enjoy yourselves gossiping on bu bad OS choice ;) | 19:03 |
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+perlDreamer | SynQ: It is in bad taste to file a bug within 24 hours of a release | 19:12 |
+perlDreamer | it's like not tipping the waiter | 19:13 |
@preaction | i say we string him up by his toenails | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | I haven't been to a toenail stringin' in years! | 19:15 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12022 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (gotcha.txt changelog/7.x.x.txt): Make the recent spectre gotcha text more user friendly. | 19:23 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: I'd like to add an environment variable for gating Mech tests, WEBGUI_LIVE. You okay with the concept? | 19:26 |
@preaction | yes, but we might be getting rid of mech tests in favor of selenium tests | 19:27 |
@preaction | which will use a selenium RC on smoke.plainblack.com | 19:27 |
+perlDreamer | why can't we have both? | 19:27 |
+perlDreamer | no need to rewrite a dozen or more tests | 19:27 |
@preaction | because the mech tests suck | 19:27 |
+perlDreamer | well, for offline testing, I still think we need a switch, or ENV variable | 19:28 |
@preaction | yeah | 19:28 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, the YUI bug related to Opera was fixed yesterday! | 19:34 |
+perlDreamer | fix is scheduled for release in 2.8 | 19:34 |
@Haarg | nice | 19:34 |
@Haarg | is it something we can backport? | 19:34 |
+perlDreamer | I was hoping you'd say that :) | 19:34 |
+perlDreamer | Yes it is | 19:34 |
+perlDreamer | http://github.com/yui/yui2/commit/431ad63b4cab6baaeebfd4a399b67aaf8e24fce2 | 19:35 |
+perlDreamer | it's a 1 line fix, in several files | 19:35 |
+perlDreamer | ooohhhh. I like the looks of Test::LongString | 19:43 |
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@preaction | Haarg, perlDreamer: have we installed daviddelikat's helpdesk changes yet? Any reason why I can't do that today or tomorrow? | 20:15 |
+perlDreamer | I haven't installed them | 20:15 |
+perlDreamer | We were delaying due to template worries | 20:15 |
@preaction | ah | 20:16 |
+perlDreamer | Need to make sure that the site templates are folded back into the core HelpDesk ones | 20:16 |
+perlDreamer | hm, testing this XML encoding stuff is difficult | 20:17 |
+perlDreamer | XML::Simple decodes the entities that I want to compare against | 20:18 |
+perlDreamer | and there doesn't appear to be a way to turn it off | 20:18 |
perigrin | try XML::LibXML::Simple ? | 20:30 |
+perlDreamer | perigrin, adding new libraries to WebGUI is a non-trivial process | 20:40 |
+perlDreamer | although I do get more latitude in tests... | 20:40 |
perigrin | perlDreamer: ahh I didn't see this was going into WebGUI | 20:41 |
perigrin | XML::Simple is a horrible way to parse XML though :) | 20:41 |
+perlDreamer | no disagreement there | 20:42 |
+perlDreamer | it's also a horrible way to encode XML | 20:42 |
+perlDreamer | Maybe we should have a WebGUI 8 goal of embracing and using top of class modules | 20:42 |
@preaction | i agree with that, starting with DBIx::Class | 20:43 |
@preaction | and Moose | 20:43 |
* perlDreamer hands preaction a petard | 20:43 | |
perigrin | *cough*Task::Kensho*cough* | 20:43 |
* perigrin is biased | 20:43 | |
@preaction | you don't have Test::Deep in there? | 20:44 |
perigrin | I think it's a dep for something else | 20:44 |
perigrin | but it should be in there and will be in the next release | 20:45 |
perigrin | :) | 20:45 |
+perlDreamer | some people like Test::Differences better than Test::Deep | 20:45 |
perigrin | Task::Kensho is much more controlled by my whim than Task::EPO-EC will be | 20:46 |
perigrin | I'll ask the EPO-EC advisors about Test::Differences vs Test::Deep | 20:47 |
+perlDreamer | I like how Test::Differences does diff's against strings | 20:48 |
+perlDreamer | but I like Test::Deep's structure comparison tools better | 20:48 |
perigrin | could there be a unification somewhere? | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | perhaps, but they have different "core values" | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | T::Deep is really for objects/data structures, and does it well | 20:50 |
+perlDreamer | T::Diff seems to be more about differences in strings, rather than data structures | 20:50 |
+perlDreamer | although it will do them as well | 20:50 |
+perlDreamer | but I don't think you can easily tell T::Diff: Only consider these keys, array elements and classes | 20:51 |
+perlDreamer | that's where T::Deep shines | 20:51 |
+perlDreamer | and a strong amount of the above is just my opinion, and lack of experience with T::Diff | 20:53 |
perigrin | I've never used it ... so I'll have to rely upon others to vouch for it | 20:57 |
perigrin | I really need to get myself organized and build a Task::EPO-EC dist | 20:57 |
@preaction | i like Test::Deep because it can test a huge data structure all at once, no matter what it contains | 20:57 |
@preaction | you can make sure a value matches a regular expression, doesn't match some other regular expression, is unique in the array, and has a method that returns a certain value all at once | 20:58 |
* perigrin nods ... uses it to test large ass report strucutres | 20:59 | |
perigrin | I think Moose uses it too ... and there are examples in teh Moose test suite for setting up TypeConstraints with it. | 20:59 |
* perlDreamer goes to the gym | 21:01 | |
* Socrates goes to the fridge | 21:01 | |
* perlDreamer would like to join Socrates | 21:01 | |
Socrates | :) | 21:01 |
+perlDreamer | whatcha got in there? | 21:01 |
Socrates | grolsch ofcourse | 21:02 |
Socrates | but i think i'm gonna get a diet coke, it's not weekend yet after all | 21:02 |
+perlDreamer | hm, grolsch has no sugar, or fat | 21:02 |
+perlDreamer | and it has alcohol, which in limited amounts is beneficial to the digestion and liver | 21:02 |
+perlDreamer | sounds like health food to me! | 21:03 |
Socrates | try doing a run on the treadmill and stuffing a beer in the cupholder, see what the reactions of ppl at the gym are :) | 21:03 |
Socrates | but it's health food! | 21:03 |
perigrin | not nearly as nice as they are when it's a fifth of jack | 21:03 |
Socrates | urgh, jack, that's only good enough to clean the windows with... | 21:04 |
Socrates | oban, lagavullin, or laphroaigh | 21:04 |
perigrin | Talisker. | 21:04 |
Socrates | hmmm talisker is ok too | 21:04 |
* perigrin has been to the Talisker distillery ... and past the Dalwhinny and Glen Moraigne | 21:05 | |
perigrin | unfortunately always on a sunday. | 21:05 |
Socrates | perigrin: pitch a tent and wait :) | 21:05 |
perigrin | I had to work on mondays | 21:06 |
Socrates | hmm, all this talk of whisky, i'm gonna get a glass | 21:07 |
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+perlmonkey2 | oh sweetness! HTML5 video: http://en-us.www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.5.2/whatsnew/ | 22:47 |
+SynQ | perlDreamer: are you still around? | 23:04 |
+SynQ | I would rather see it as a compliment that I filed the bug directly | 23:05 |
+SynQ | more like tipping the waiter | 23:05 |
+SynQ | plus, I included the fix right away | 23:05 |
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+SynQ | o dear | 23:13 |
+SynQ | now I have to react to JT's post about the new style | 23:13 |
@preaction | i like the new nav, it works for me now that i'm used to it | 23:13 |
+SynQ | i agree | 23:13 |
@preaction | when i'm a content manager, i go to Use. when i'm a server admin, i go to Admin, when i'm developing, i go to Develop | 23:14 |
mducharme-work | new style? | 23:14 |
+SynQ | there are some points made by 'Trex' who is a newcomer for me | 23:14 |
@preaction | webgui.org's new design and layout | 23:14 |
+SynQ | that need to be adressed | 23:14 |
+SynQ | and that haven't | 23:14 |
+SynQ | search is not working well | 23:14 |
+SynQ | it's hard to 'keep up with what is new' | 23:14 |
mducharme-work | I'd like it a bit better if it worked with firefox 2.x... | 23:14 |
@preaction | those are technical hurdles that we can overcome | 23:15 |
mducharme-work | everything looks wonky when I go to webgui.org with firefox 2.x.. | 23:15 |
+SynQ | mducharme-work: I find backward compatibility not an issue | 23:15 |
+SynQ | preaction: but they should be adressed | 23:15 |
+SynQ | and when someone brings them up in a forum post they should be adressed there too | 23:15 |
@preaction | yes, especially re: the bazaar and the wiki | 23:15 |
@preaction | the problem is time, we don't have it. we want to have it, and that may be the best topic of discussion during the pres' meeting is how everyone can chip in for webgui.org | 23:16 |
@preaction | well, at least a good topic | 23:16 |
mducharme-work | hrm | 23:17 |
mducharme-work | the home page is taller than it was before | 23:17 |
mducharme-work | there are now three menus one above the other "cms resources" "plain black corporation" and "webgui features" | 23:17 |
@preaction | yeah, and the dashboard is apparently getting overhauled or something along those lines to provide a nice home page | 23:18 |
mducharme-work | with a big blank white space to the right | 23:18 |
mducharme-work | ahh in IE there are side by side, I guess it's another display problem.. | 23:19 |
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+perlDreamer | SynQ: as usual, I'm just teasing about the bug ;) | 23:37 |
+SynQ | go ahead | 23:37 |
+SynQ | tease | 23:37 |
+SynQ | I'll bite | 23:37 |
* perlDreamer wonders why we can't still have unified forums and wikis, and just link to nice landing pages for each one from subject specific areas. | 23:39 | |
+SynQ | perlDreamer: I say join in | 23:40 |
+SynQ | and reply to the discussion | 23:40 |
+SynQ | but I advise you to wait for 30 more minutes | 23:40 |
+perlDreamer | it's what I said in the bug | 23:40 |
+SynQ | as I post mine | 23:40 |
+perlDreamer | gotcha | 23:40 |
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mducharme-work | I really do not understand the current wiki implementation | 23:49 |
mducharme-work | webgui itself is really very much like a wiki | 23:50 |
+perlDreamer | mducharme-work: It is, but keyword based autolinking, comments on every page, and other features are not so desirable across the board. | 23:51 |
+perlDreamer | also, Wiki's are flat (currently) | 23:51 |
+SynQ | ok | 23:52 |
+SynQ | submitted :) | 23:52 |
+SynQ | http://www.webgui.org/develop/forum/new-site-navigation | 23:52 |
mducharme-work | it could be an option for articles to enter them in wiki formatting instead of WYSIWYG.. it could be parsed and linked to the appropriate pages when camelcase... | 23:55 |
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mducharme-work | if there was the ability to do articles with wiki codes, there would probably not be a need for a wiki wobject..... | 00:10 |
+perlDreamer | you also need the tag cloud | 00:11 |
+perlDreamer | comments | 00:11 |
+perlDreamer | it's almost a wiki replacement | 00:11 |
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mducharme-work | the comments could be a property that could be turned off or on... | 00:18 |
mducharme-work | and the tag cloud could be accomplished by using metadata... | 00:19 |
mducharme-work | or by making a new property | 00:19 |
mducharme-work | I just don't understand the logic behind the way it is currently designed....... | 00:23 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12023 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Force template based Gallery RSS feeds to encode XML entities. | 00:24 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12024 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt gotcha.txt): Forward port more descriptive gotcha text. | 00:24 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12025 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm t/HTML.t): Extend WebGUI::HTML::filter to also do encode XML entities. | 00:55 |
+SynQ | how do you like www.webgui.nl ? | 01:02 |
+perlDreamer | it needs gears ;) | 01:03 |
+SynQ | uh huh | 01:03 |
+SynQ | it couldn't be more 'texty' | 01:03 |
+perlDreamer | maybe it needs purple octopus | 01:06 |
+SynQ | perhaps | 01:07 |
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+SynQ | somewhere small | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | yes, unobtrusive and present | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | kind of like test writers | 01:10 |
+SynQ | unobtrusive? | 01:12 |
+SynQ | test writers are always very obtrusive are they not? | 01:12 |
+perlDreamer | I find they talk too much. | 01:13 |
+SynQ | both irl and on irc? | 01:13 |
+perlDreamer | at least on irc | 01:15 |
+SynQ | hehe | 01:18 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12026 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Forward port XML encoding for template based RSS feeds in the Gallery. | 01:24 |
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SDuensin | Grrr... No pidFile specified in spectre.conf | 02:17 |
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+perlDreamer | read the gotchas file, SDuensin | 02:28 |
SDuensin | Wasn't in the one I just downloaded, perlDreamer :-P | 02:29 |
SDuensin | I did find it in the bug tracker. Commented on it. | 02:29 |
+perlDreamer | not in the gotchas file? | 02:29 |
SDuensin | I'll double-check. | 02:30 |
+perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/163043 | 02:30 |
SDuensin | That's what I got. | 02:30 |
+perlDreamer | so, it _was_ in the gotchas? | 02:33 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12027 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/gotcha.txt: Remove WRE specific path from example spectre.pid file. | 02:46 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12028 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: More gotcha refinement. | 02:46 |
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+perlDreamer | I hate the 5:30 shutdown | 03:17 |
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+perlDreamer | how in the world do you get versionTags that don't match any assets? | 03:56 |
@Haarg | you can certainly manually create a version tag, but i doubt people do that very often | 03:58 |
+perlDreamer | I've been looking at: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10316 | 03:58 |
+perlDreamer | CMSmatrix missing version tag bug | 03:58 |
+perlDreamer | every asset has a version tag in the assetVersionTag table | 03:59 |
+perlDreamer | but there are 4000 tags in assetVersionTag that don't belong to any asset | 03:59 |
+perlDreamer | as determined by select tagId from assetVersionTag where tagId not in (select distinct(tagId) from assetData); | 04:00 |
+perlDreamer | only other thing I can think of is to start mining the inbox table for pending commit messages, and start checking them one by one to see what's up | 04:01 |
+perlDreamer | looking for some kind of pattern as to why they contain assets that don't exist | 04:01 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12029 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: Remove debug. | 05:25 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: the asset got deleted before the workflow finished perhaps? | 05:26 |
+perlDreamer | I thought of that, but that would require action by an admin. | 05:27 |
@preaction | the user can delete their own posts maybe? | 05:29 |
@preaction | i know we have that problem on the alumni site, users can delete their own photos (by design) | 05:29 |
@preaction | but the workflow remains | 05:29 |
+perlDreamer | that's unfortunate | 05:29 |
@preaction | though the version tag doesn't remain | 05:29 |
@preaction | yeah, what's unfortunate is that i proposed a fix and it didn't get implemented | 05:29 |
@preaction | because how do you stop a workflow mid-run? | 05:30 |
@preaction | cleanly and safely? | 05:30 |
+perlDreamer | you delete the instance, using spectre notify? | 05:31 |
@preaction | what if it was in the middle of doing something? | 05:31 |
@preaction | and had to return WAITING so that it got run again? | 05:31 |
* perlDreamer isn't familiar enough with spectre to know how it would react in that situation | 05:31 | |
@preaction | it would stop in the middle, with something half-done | 05:32 |
+perlDreamer | but if the versionTag goes away, you don't want it to do anything anymore | 05:32 |
@preaction | but if it's about to leave my data in an inconsistent state, i don't want it to do that | 05:33 |
+perlDreamer | in what case is there persistent data in an asset that is being deleted/purged? | 05:33 |
+perlDreamer | in this case, we're talking about articles, posts, gallery pictures | 05:34 |
@preaction | i don't know, and i don't even remember what reasoning JT gave me for why I couldn't fix it | 05:34 |
+perlDreamer | I see. sorry for the third party arguing | 05:35 |
+perlDreamer | that's awkwad | 05:35 |
+perlDreamer | awkward | 05:35 |
* perlDreamer takes a break to play with Tim, and to reflect on the problem. | 05:36 | |
@preaction | it might not be that, something else might be happening | 05:38 |
@preaction | perhaps the revision is being purged but not the version tag? | 05:38 |
+perlDreamer | doesn't sound like this bug | 06:21 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10316 | 06:21 |
+perlDreamer | hm, if he sees the screen, and it lists the assets, then they must exist | 06:30 |
+perlDreamer | but when he clicks on a link to see them, it says Page not found | 06:30 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction: it's in the trash | 07:21 |
+perlDreamer | uncommitted posts in the trash | 07:26 |
+perlDreamer | now, let's see if I can duplicate that | 07:26 |
+perlDreamer | on a dev site | 07:26 |
+perlDreamer | tomorrow | 07:26 |
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+SynQ | hmm | 12:56 |
+SynQ | who would like to hire half of a two node cluster based in chicago? :P | 12:57 |
+SynQ | for $750 a month | 13:00 |
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SquOnk | Hi everyone | 16:45 |
SquOnk | Small bug... | 16:45 |
SquOnk | Line 76 of spectre | 16:45 |
SquOnk | "Unable to open ... for writing" should be " ... for reading" | 16:45 |
SquOnk | Ditto for line 80 | 16:45 |
SquOnk | (This is 7.6.34) | 16:46 |
+BartJol | did you report it? | 16:49 |
SquOnk | BartJol: Nope, just noticed it while doing other things | 16:49 |
+BartJol | ah | 16:50 |
SquOnk | I'm fixing the Debian package now that webgui properly uses a /var/run/spectre.pid... while looking at spectre's code it became obvious ;-) | 16:50 |
+BartJol | mmm, I'm trying to set up my voip phone | 16:51 |
Socrates | and you failed! | 16:58 |
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+BartJol | mmm | 17:18 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: amhhenry * r12039 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed version tag modes bug #10689 | 17:29 |
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+BartJol | luckily, I'm better at replacing bike tyres | 18:22 |
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+perlDreamer | SquOnk! | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | just the fellow that I needed to talk to | 19:14 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Howdy | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | how do you pick versions of perl modules to use for the debian package? | 19:14 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Unless there's a need for a specific version, just naming it in control (if I understand what you're asking ;-) | 19:16 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, I was vague | 19:16 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: I'll give two examples... | 19:16 |
+perlDreamer | yesterday, we decided that beta needs to track the perl modules in the latest WRE | 19:17 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: There's only one version of Color::Calc in Debian, so I have libcolor-calc-perl | 19:17 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: But there are several versions of Class::InsideOut. The one in Etch is too old to be useful, so I restrict to the newer ones having libclass-insideout-perl (>= 1.06) | 19:18 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: APT takes care of the rest. | 19:18 |
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SquOnk | perlDreamer: Every time I update the package, I run testEnvironment to assess new requirements | 19:18 |
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+perlDreamer | okay, that makes sense | 19:18 |
+perlDreamer | this is the URL to the latest URL for testEnvironment.pl, which will be used when 7.7 becomes stable | 19:19 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Sometimes they are valid (like needing a specific version) so I go and check if the specific version or an older one is available. | 19:19 |
+perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/checkout/WebGUI/sbin/testEnvironment.pl?rev=12035 | 19:19 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Sometimes they're not valid. For instance, checkEnvironment wants some module at versión X, Debian has version Y (Y < X), but after comparing those versions there's no functional difference. | 19:20 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: So I ignore checkEnvironment complaint :-) | 19:20 |
+perlDreamer | cool. I just don't you to be surprised when there's a whole new raft of requirements | 19:20 |
+perlDreamer | there was a bug posted about particular versions of DBD-mysql and DBI | 19:20 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: I see. | 19:21 |
+perlDreamer | they were greater than our minimum requirements, and so were technically valid | 19:21 |
+perlDreamer | so we decided to make the requirements those that we test with all the time, based on the WRE | 19:21 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: And that would be a sound decision. | 19:21 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: If it works, don't fix it. | 19:21 |
+perlDreamer | yes, so long as we don't make your job a living nightmare :) | 19:22 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Not at all | 19:22 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: In fact, I'm working so the Debian package becomes as useful as the WRE. | 19:23 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: The next package (7.6.34) due this weekend, will have additional indexing tools enabled (for PDF, OO files and the like). | 19:23 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: And since spectre now uses /var/run, the init script won't be the hack I came up with, but an LSB-based Debian standard (so it becomes splash screen compliant ;-) | 19:24 |
+perlDreamer | that's good | 19:24 |
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SquOnk | bbl - errands | 19:30 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg: re the new i18n downloads bug, is there any reason we couldn't drop the extra subdirectory in the tarfile? | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/10730 | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | I know this issue has come up before | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | I don't remember the justificiation for current behavior | 19:49 |
@Haarg | we could. it's generally considered bad form to have a tarball extract to the current directory though. | 19:50 |
@Haarg | instead of a subdirectory | 19:50 |
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+perlDreamer | I see where that makes sense for source code, but I think this users's perspective is that it should unpack right into lib/WebGUI/i18n | 19:56 |
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Socrates | urgh, do NOT extract to current dir from tarbal please | 20:48 |
Socrates | not that i have anything to say about it from a webgui standpoint, but as a systems admin i just hate it when that happens | 20:48 |
Socrates | because you always want to extract and see what it is in your home dir, and i hate it when that suddenly fills up with stuff i didn't want there :) | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | sounds like a procedural issue | 20:52 |
+perlDreamer | maybe we should just recommend that people use --strip-components | 20:53 |
Socrates | if i unpak file 'myname.tar.gz' i assume it'll unpack to the directory myname/* | 20:53 |
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+perlDreamer | that would make everyone happy | 20:54 |
+perlDreamer | instructions on how to skip it when installing | 20:54 |
+perlDreamer | but a "well-mannered" tar file | 20:54 |
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@preaction | Haarg: what isn't safe about using "wgd import" on a production system? i'm thinking of writing some wrappers using "export" and "import" to create diffs and apply patches | 21:04 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: amhhenry * r12040 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed version tag modes bug #10689 | 21:11 |
+perlDreamer | Nice work, AMH_henry! | 21:14 |
+perlDreamer | It even comes with tests! | 21:14 |
AMH_henry | wlc | 21:15 |
+perlDreamer | I'll backport that to 7.6, and then the bug can be closed | 21:15 |
AMH_henry | fix is committed to 7.6 too | 21:15 |
AMH_henry | actually, i did 7.6 first | 21:16 |
+perlDreamer | you did. | 21:17 |
+perlDreamer | Its odd that CIA didn't catch that | 21:17 |
AMH_henry | it did.. the fix was committed a few hours ago | 21:18 |
* perlDreamer considers some caffiene | 21:19 | |
AMH_henry | Needed time to setup a 7.7 virtual machine for testing. | 21:19 |
* AMH_henry need to get some sleep... it's already 2 am! | 21:22 | |
+perlDreamer | thanks again, AMH_henry | 21:22 |
+perlDreamer | crash out | 21:22 |
AMH_henry | wlc. see ya later | 21:22 |
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+perlDreamer | If I want to create a javascript event, do I have to use YUI.Event to do that? | 21:37 |
@preaction | create a new event to add a listener to? | 21:39 |
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+perlDreamer | I need something that works like onDOMready, so I can toggle off TinyMCE | 22:29 |
+perlDreamer | onload is too early | 22:31 |
@preaction | what about on dom ready? | 22:31 |
@Haarg | preaction, the only thing unsafe about 'wgd import' on a production system is having it on a production system | 22:33 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: isn't that a YUI event? My Javascript book doesn't list that as a default DOM event | 22:34 |
@Haarg | wgd has lots of destructive commands that are really easy to trigger, so it makes me nervous that it would be on a server | 22:34 |
@Haarg | it is a yui event, yes | 22:35 |
@Haarg | onload is too early though? | 22:35 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: it is a yui event, yes. load yahoo-dom-event | 22:35 |
@Haarg | usually ondomready happens before onload | 22:35 |
+perlDreamer | I have the new, improved TinyMCE toggle almost all done | 22:35 |
@preaction | onload is after everything on the page is done loading | 22:35 |
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@preaction | including images | 22:35 |
+perlDreamer | it's only missing one thing, and that is turning off TinyMCE by default, when "ask" is true | 22:36 |
+perlDreamer | what I really need, is for TinyMCE to tell me when it's done | 22:36 |
+perlDreamer | and I think I've found it | 22:36 |
+perlDreamer | init_instance_callback is a custom callback for each instance after it becomes initialized | 22:37 |
+perlDreamer | if I can get from the editor instance back to the id of the textarea, that will solve everything | 22:38 |
+perlDreamer | will it cause problems if I create the same function multiple times? | 22:44 |
+perlDreamer | oh, that's funny | 22:48 |
+perlDreamer | now I have a TinyMCE that can never be enabled | 22:48 |
+perlDreamer | init_instance_callback happens everytime you enable the editor | 22:51 |
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+perlDreamer | I got it working! | 23:21 |
elnino | oh. is this wuc time? I'm bummed I'm not there. | 23:21 |
+perlDreamer | It's not the WUC yet, elnino. | 23:23 |
+perlDreamer | Not 'til next month | 23:23 |
+perlDreamer | How is your new baby doing? | 23:25 |
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+perlDreamer | works on FF on Vista | 23:31 |
+perlDreamer | now, how 'bout IE? | 23:31 |
elnino | perldreamer | 23:32 |
elnino | opps | 23:32 |
+perlDreamer | yes, elnino? | 23:32 |
elnino | =) baby is doing fine. He's great. | 23:32 |
+perlDreamer | awesome! | 23:32 |
elnino | good eater, good pooper, good sleeper, what else can I ask for? | 23:32 |
+perlDreamer | self-changing? | 23:32 |
elnino | big sister loves him too. | 23:32 |
@preaction | can program Perl? | 23:32 |
elnino | oh. That would be nice, wouldn't it. | 23:33 |
elnino | that too. | 23:33 |
elnino | lol | 23:33 |
@preaction | start him on computers early | 23:33 |
* preaction has been on computers since 2 | 23:33 | |
elnino | punch cards? | 23:33 |
elnino | sorry, couldn't resist. | 23:33 |
elnino | you're probably my age. | 23:33 |
@preaction | i'm 26. it was an ACE1000 (an Apple IIe clone) | 23:34 |
@preaction | also an Atari ST | 23:34 |
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elnino | oh geez. i'm way older than you. | 23:35 |
* elnino sad. | 23:35 | |
+perlDreamer | it works in IE, too | 23:35 |
+perlDreamer | something is really wrong | 23:35 |
dreamersgirl | Hi elnino! | 23:35 |
dreamersgirl | I hear congratulations are in order!!! | 23:36 |
elnino | yes. Thanks! | 23:36 |
dreamersgirl | gonna miss you at the WUC this year... | 23:36 |
elnino | oh thanks. I realy had fun meeting you all last year. | 23:37 |
elnino | you all are a fun group. I was bummed I couldn't spend more time with the group. | 23:38 |
* elnino is stepping away. | 23:39 | |
dreamersgirl | it is a fun group | 23:39 |
+SynQ | dreamersgirl: hi! | 23:39 |
+SynQ | I hear you are not coming over the whole wuc | 23:39 |
dreamersgirl | i can only go for friday this year--it's the boys' first week of school | 23:40 |
+SynQ | ah | 23:40 |
dreamersgirl | hi SynQ! | 23:40 |
+SynQ | that is understandable | 23:40 |
dreamersgirl | You'll be there, won't you? | 23:40 |
+SynQ | most definately | 23:40 |
+SynQ | and I'll bring Bart and Jan | 23:40 |
@preaction | yay Bart! | 23:40 |
@preaction | no Rogier? | 23:41 |
+SynQ | rogier is not in my company | 23:41 |
+SynQ | nor is Martin or Rory | 23:41 |
@preaction | or is that Arjan's minion? | 23:41 |
+perlDreamer | Rogier works for UK | 23:41 |
+perlDreamer | Who is Jan? | 23:41 |
+SynQ | indeed | 23:41 |
+SynQ | Jan is my most senior guy | 23:41 |
+SynQ | I have known him since 1996 and he is a ProcoliX employee since 2005 i think | 23:42 |
+SynQ | not sure | 23:42 |
+SynQ | have to look that up | 23:42 |
+SynQ | but | 23:43 |
+SynQ | I just wanted to say hi to the dreamersgirl :) | 23:43 |
dreamersgirl | :) How's your little one doing? | 23:44 |
+SynQ | she is sleeping just now | 23:44 |
dreamersgirl | You'll have to bring pics | 23:44 |
+SynQ | I will | 23:44 |
+SynQ | and video | 23:44 |
+SynQ | she is doing great btw | 23:44 |
+SynQ | eating fruits and veggies | 23:44 |
+perlDreamer | can she sing the Badger song yet? | 23:44 |
dreamersgirl | is she that big already? | 23:44 |
dreamersgirl | NOooooooooooooooooooo | 23:44 |
+SynQ | 6 months and 4 days | 23:44 |
dreamersgirl | not the Badger song | 23:44 |
dreamersgirl | our boys sang it for months! | 23:45 |
+SynQ | no wait 6 months and 5 days already | 23:45 |
+SynQ | she cannot sing the badgerbadgerbadgerbadger mushroom song yet | 23:45 |
dreamersgirl | give her time... | 23:45 |
+SynQ | but she can say 'naynaynaynaynay' | 23:45 |
+SynQ | when something is not right :) | 23:46 |
+perlDreamer | which editor does she use? | 23:46 |
+SynQ | vi of course | 23:48 |
+perlDreamer | I knew you'd bring her up right | 23:52 |
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+perlDreamer | perl 5.10.1 RC1 is out | 00:46 |
+perlDreamer | they're asking for testers | 00:58 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/test-the-rc-test-the-rc-test-the-rc/ | 00:58 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12041 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Redo the "ask user about TinyMCE" so that it works on FF on Windows. | 00:59 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12042 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Forward porting TinyMCE ask user fix for FF browsers on Windows. | 00:59 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, what do you think about passing a callback to Mail::Send instead of second group to check? | 01:03 |
+perlDreamer | that way, assets can do complex checks, like canView for sending emails to subscribed users | 01:04 |
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+perlDreamer | mducharme, LDAP relabeling is happening right now | 02:34 |
+perlDreamer | if you have a chance, please double check things after the next Tuesday release | 02:35 |
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@Haarg | perlDreamer, re: Mail::Send callback, the problem i see with that is that the group expansion happens when the workflow runs, some time after it gets added. seems like it involve a lot of complexity to set up something that would work well for a callback diven that. | 04:11 |
+perlDreamer | true | 04:24 |
+perlDreamer | patspam, ping | 04:33 |
+patspam | pong | 04:33 |
+perlDreamer | I think I'm missing something about your bug | 04:33 |
+perlDreamer | Let me repeat what I think the problem is, then tell me what I'm missing, okay? | 04:33 |
+patspam | sure | 04:33 |
+perlDreamer | my $u1 = WebGUI::User->create($session); | 04:34 |
+perlDreamer | my $u2 = WebGUI::User->new($session, $u1->userId); | 04:34 |
+perlDreamer | $u1->profileField('alias', 'Jonesy'); | 04:34 |
+perlDreamer | $u2->profileField('alias', 'Tommy'); | 04:34 |
+perlDreamer | my $u3 = WebGUI::User->new($session, $u1->userId); | 04:35 |
+perlDreamer | diag $u3->profileField('alias'); # Tommy | 04:35 |
+perlDreamer | diag $u1->profileField('alias'); #Jonesy | 04:35 |
+perlDreamer | the problem being that $u1's internal object cache is out of date whenever an duplicate object is created. | 04:36 |
+patspam | yep, I agree it's reasonable to expect wg to keep checking the db on every object access | 04:36 |
+perlDreamer | Is that DBIx::Class/Moose kind of behavior? | 04:37 |
+patspam | not sure, I haven't used them | 04:37 |
+perlDreamer | Nothing in WebGUI works that way. | 04:37 |
+patspam | but I think that ORMs like Hibernate would return the same object when you reinstantiate | 04:37 |
@preaction | i don't think DBIx::Class will do that, unless you explicitly mark it as dirty | 04:37 |
+perlDreamer | but which same object? | 04:38 |
+patspam | same user object | 04:38 |
+perlDreamer | $u1, or $u2/$u3? | 04:38 |
+patspam | they would all point to same memory address | 04:38 |
@preaction | i thought we used stow for that | 04:38 |
+perlDreamer | In our current design, $u1 has no way of knowing that the db was changed from underneath it | 04:39 |
@preaction | because it's not the exact same object as $u2 | 04:40 |
+perlDreamer | We can ask about that in wG8, but I think the short answer for now is probably going to be "Don't do that" | 04:40 |
@preaction | but if you $session->stow->set( "user_" . $userId => $userObject ); and get it on retrieval... | 04:40 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: that fixes User, but leaves Asset, Group, VersionTag, ProfileField, ProfileCategory, Ad, AdSpace and every other package with the same problem. | 04:41 |
+patspam | I was musing that maybe the 8.x memcached implementation will do that for us automaticaly? | 04:41 |
+patspam | I haven't used it before, but that's something I'd want from an automagic caching layer | 04:42 |
+perlDreamer | afaik, the only plan for memcached is to replace Cache::File and Cache::Database, not to emulate singleton behavior | 04:43 |
+patspam | can you think of any reason why we wouldn't want singleton behaviour though? apart from the pain of implementing it.. | 04:44 |
+perlDreamer | massive memory usage | 04:45 |
@Haarg | i don't think you'd be able to use memcached for that | 04:45 |
+perlDreamer | I've never seen this happen, patspam. Can you tell me more about the system that this happens in? | 04:46 |
+patspam | I'm not sure it'd have to be massive memory usage? if you weaken the object reference in your cache, it would still be garbage collected as per normal when the in-code references go out of scope, and you'd save memory for the $u1, $u2, $u3 situation | 04:47 |
+patspam | well, Hibernate is one example from the Java world | 04:48 |
+perlDreamer | I mean, in what part of WebGUI is this happening? | 04:49 |
+perlDreamer | as to weakening, it seems like you have to keep one copy of any object that has been instanced, in memory all the time. Until the end of the session. | 04:50 |
@preaction | no, the copy in the session would disappear when any other pieces of code stop referencing it. causing it to be reloaded from the database | 04:51 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, that's right. | 04:51 |
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@Haarg | preaction, another thought about wgd on a server: http://github.com/haarg/wgdev/issues#issue/9 | 05:24 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12043 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm: Fix some broken i18n, Select in Post. | 05:30 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12044 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm: Fix broken Post i18n. | 05:30 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12045 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/AuthLDAP.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Relabel LDAP to use more familiar terms. | 05:30 |
+perlDreamer | having resurrected 1 dead laptop, I'm going to take a break | 05:32 |
@preaction | Haarg: sounds reasonable | 05:34 |
* preaction is writing out the e-mail that will hand everything off to Frank! | 05:38 | |
@preaction | Come Monday I will be on R&D! | 05:38 |
@preaction | that means me fixing bugs! yay! | 05:38 |
@Haarg | i just finally got my replacement hard drive so i can fix my desktop | 05:40 |
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+perlDreamer | Kathy upgraded her laptop, and it killed the GRUB install. | 06:41 |
+perlDreamer | I've been working on and off all day to repair it | 06:41 |
@preaction | nice | 06:43 |
@preaction | time to try Ubuntu! | 06:43 |
+perlDreamer | no time | 06:47 |
+perlDreamer | you're coming to R&D just in time to fix some 7.6 bugs :) | 06:47 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: as your humble servant, allow me to suggest one for you | 06:54 |
@preaction | i refuse to fix map bugs | 06:54 |
@preaction | or calendar bugs | 06:54 |
@preaction | or gallery bugs | 06:54 |
@preaction | or any bug in any piece of code i've written | 06:55 |
@preaction | because any bug in any piece of code i've written is obviously a misinterpreted feature | 06:55 |
@preaction | MIEN CODE DIS PERFECT! | 06:55 |
+perlDreamer | hm no map, calendar, or gallery bugs... | 06:56 |
+perlDreamer | how about this one, then: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10189 | 06:56 |
+perlDreamer | I already fixed all the posted calendar bugs | 06:56 |
+perlDreamer | and a handful of gallery bugs | 06:57 |
+perlDreamer | surely you wouldn't begrudge me 1 leetle gallery bug, too? | 06:57 |
@preaction | ... FINE... | 06:57 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9595 | 06:57 |
@preaction | heh nice | 06:58 |
+perlDreamer | you'd rather work on the survey IE6 bug? | 06:58 |
@preaction | i'll probably do what i always do, start from the bottom of the bug list | 06:58 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12046 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/AuthLDAP.pm): Forward port LDAP relabeling. | 07:27 |
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+SynQ | oeh | 16:44 |
+SynQ | preaction in R&D | 16:44 |
+SynQ | time to pick up my "let's see how I can break the stable version" hat | 16:45 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12047 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/VersionTag.pm): Add the missing pending versions link to the manage assets in tag screen. | 19:55 |
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+SynQ | hmm | 23:24 |
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+perlDreamer | SynQ: ping | 05:27 |
+perlDreamer | I really don't think you're on tonight... | 05:27 |
+perlDreamer | I'd like to test the new perl 5.10.1 release candidate out, against the WRE | 05:27 |
+perlDreamer | and I was hoping that with your knowledge of the build process you could help me make the process easy. | 05:28 |
mducharme | whee.. bathroom renovations finally almost done.. was able to have a shower in my own bathroom for the first time in a few weeks | 05:29 |
mducharme | though the contractors accidentally hooked up the hot to the cold and the cold to the hot, almost burned myself | 05:29 |
mducharme | hopefully that's an easy enough thing to fix | 05:30 |
+patspam | something weird happning with webgui.org passwords | 06:03 |
+patspam | ah, my guess is that the CSRF stuff is preventing password changes from happening | 06:05 |
+perlDreamer | I don't think I outfitted those with CSRF, but I'll check. | 06:06 |
+patspam | submitted as #10737 | 06:08 |
+perlDreamer | patspam, in the Account, password changes "seem" to work okay | 06:09 |
+patspam | no error, but my password doesn't changbve | 06:09 |
+perlDreamer | My passwords are working okay | 06:09 |
+patspam | hmm.. i tried in 3 different browsers too | 06:10 |
+perlDreamer | but you're right, on webgui.org, no password changes | 06:11 |
+perlDreamer | however, on my dev site it's working fine | 06:11 |
+perlDreamer | which means that it's not likely to be CSRF | 06:11 |
+perlDreamer | I'll go mine the webgui.org logs | 06:11 |
+patspam | ah ok, glad you can reproduce it though | 06:11 |
+patspam | I've just switched over to using LastPass for password management, so I was going through changing all my website passwords to be unique, and got stuck at webgui.org | 06:11 |
+patspam | the whole perlmonks thing was a bit of a wake-up call | 06:12 |
+perlDreamer | it's definitely not CSRF | 06:12 |
+perlDreamer | I left a little debug snippet to indicate when it's being used | 06:12 |
+perlDreamer | this could be related to the other SSO bug | 06:12 |
+perlDreamer | what is LastPass? | 06:12 |
+patspam | lastpass.com | 06:13 |
+patspam | the browser integration is really slick | 06:13 |
+perlDreamer | have you checked out 5.10.1 rc1 yet, patspam? | 06:17 |
+patspam | not yet, another 3 weeks before i can play with toys again | 06:18 |
+perlDreamer | in 3 weeks is the WUC | 06:18 |
+perlDreamer | give or take | 06:18 |
+patspam | exactly! | 06:18 |
+patspam | project handover just before i leave the country | 06:18 |
+patspam | then i can get my life back | 06:18 |
+perlDreamer | you've been quite busy lately | 06:18 |
+perlDreamer | haven't seen you hanging in channel much | 06:19 |
+patspam | yeah, working insane hours atm | 06:19 |
+patspam | thankfully the end is in sight | 06:19 |
+patspam | sorry i haven't been able to help more with bugs either, I've only been able to look at ones that impact me directly | 06:20 |
+perlDreamer | no worries. We have most of them closed. | 06:21 |
+perlDreamer | and you've done great on the dual branch maintenance | 06:21 |
+perlDreamer | any thoughts on what to do for the pre-WUC hackathon? | 06:23 |
+patspam | as in, what to hack on? | 06:23 |
+patspam | or organising thing? | 06:23 |
+patspam | s | 06:23 |
+perlDreamer | more on what to hack on | 06:26 |
+perlDreamer | seems like with 8-12 uber-WebGUI hackers we could pull off something pretty cool | 06:26 |
+patspam | yeah, it's going to be so awesome | 06:26 |
+patspam | if nothing else grabs my attention I'm thinking about hacking on the WebGUI Padre plugin | 06:26 |
+perlDreamer | maybe we could all chip in, and write the Blog wobject | 06:27 |
+perlDreamer | that'd be nice present for the attenders the next day | 06:28 |
+perlDreamer | 'Oh, by the way, yesterday we wrote a Blog wobject for 7.8' | 06:28 |
+patspam | yeah that'd be cool! I'm heading off for lunch, will chew over other ideas over coffee :) | 06:30 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12048 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Revision Event storage locations. | 07:38 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12049 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Backport Event storage location revisioning. | 07:51 |
@preaction | i'm down with trying to write the Blog asset, provided someone can come up with a spec for it | 08:11 |
@preaction | we'd need to be at least Wordpress | 08:11 |
@preaction | so RssAspect, Comments aspect, Trackbacks, Calendar, and Post-dating | 08:12 |
+patspam | preaction, if you have a sec, what does this return for you on your wre perl? perl -e 'use JSON; print JSON->backend' | 09:00 |
@preaction | JSON::XS | 09:00 |
+patspam | all of a sudden mine has started saying JSON:PP | 09:01 |
@preaction | weird | 09:01 |
+patspam | yeah, it totally kills performance for big survey instances | 09:02 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: patspam * r12050 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 09:39 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Survey JSON performance warning for non-wre-standard JSON modules/versions | 09:39 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: If you have funny combinations of JSON, JSON::XS and JSON::PP installed, | 09:39 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: JSON can start deciding to use JSON::PP instead of JSON::XS, which equals | 09:39 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: bad performance on very large Survey instances. | 09:39 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: This commit adds a new warning to the Edit Survey page if JSON->backend | 09:39 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: is detected to be something other than JSON::XS. | 09:39 |
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+BartJol | joh Synq | 22:27 |
+BartJol | SynQ: | 22:28 |
+SynQ | jo :) | 22:29 |
+BartJol | I didn't enable otr yet on ubuntu | 22:29 |
+SynQ | oh | 22:29 |
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+perlDreamer | howdy, folks! | 00:23 |
daviddelikat | hiya | 00:23 |
daviddelikat | I'm trying to look at your IE JS issue, but my computers are giving me fits... | 00:24 |
+BartJol | evening | 00:24 |
+perlDreamer | computers are wont to do that | 00:24 |
+perlDreamer | howdy, BartJol | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | Rory drinks tall beers | 00:25 |
+BartJol | he is? | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | there is photographic evidence! | 00:25 |
+BartJol | aah | 00:25 |
+BartJol | where can I find that? | 00:26 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/promote/gooey-on-the-go/yapceu-2009-in-lisbon | 00:27 |
+BartJol | sure that gooey didn't drink those? | 00:28 |
+perlDreamer | swim in, perhaps | 00:29 |
+perlDreamer | rory looks nice and all, but I wouldn't chance drinking his beer | 00:29 |
+BartJol | because he will get angry when you take his beer? | 00:30 |
+perlDreamer | oh yeah | 00:30 |
+perlDreamer | it's the nice looking fellows who are usually the meanest | 00:30 |
+perlDreamer | take you, for example | 00:31 |
+BartJol | yeah, they make time for creating evil plans by looking nice and leave people in the dream | 00:31 |
+BartJol | am I that mena? only to tavis | 00:31 |
+perlDreamer | I don't know if you're mean. I've never drank your beer. | 00:33 |
+perlDreamer | although, those home demolition pictures could be a good indication | 00:34 |
+perlDreamer | you have access to sledge hammers | 00:34 |
+perlDreamer | and know how to use them | 00:34 |
+perlDreamer | ekennedy: ping | 00:34 |
+BartJol | when you take my beer, I will get annoyed, but not enough to do plastic surgery with a sledgehammer | 00:37 |
+perlDreamer | okay | 00:37 |
+perlDreamer | I won't do it, anyway, but that's good to know. | 00:37 |
+BartJol | that's too quick | 00:38 |
+BartJol | normally I just use a piece of paper | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | See! Mean, mean, mean. | 00:39 |
+BartJol | yeah, we're the mean lean Dutch team | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | Bier drinking machines | 00:40 |
+BartJol | let's just hope Madison will be ready in a month | 00:41 |
@preaction | i don't think madison could ever prepare itself for the dutch invasion | 00:44 |
@preaction | they just kinda huddle in terror and try to ride the storm out | 00:44 |
+BartJol | aah, that was all the traffic jams on the other side of the roads | 00:44 |
+BartJol | so they got a warning | 00:45 |
@preaction | eh, the dutch folk ain't as bad as those west coast people. it'll take months to recover from those types | 00:46 |
@preaction | and don't get me started on the Aussies | 00:46 |
+BartJol | yeah and there're more coming from over there | 00:46 |
* BartJol thinks that they're jealous on our drinking capabilities | 00:47 | |
@preaction | you should bring some fresh beer, I would pay money | 00:49 |
@preaction | I tried some Guldendraak at YAPC::NA and it was the greatest thing I had ever tasted ever | 00:49 |
+BartJol | fersh Dutch beer? | 00:49 |
+BartJol | aah | 00:49 |
@preaction | or Belgium, something I can't get here | 00:49 |
@preaction | not even in Wisconsin. there's a half-decent beer pub in Madison, but that's the only one I've found | 00:50 |
+BartJol | well, I'm not sure on customs regulation | 00:50 |
@preaction | Samuel Smith is probably the most exotic beer within 100 miles of me | 00:50 |
@preaction | true, not asking for miracles. just if you want | 00:50 |
+BartJol | we'll see | 00:50 |
+BartJol | I like steenbrugge tripel | 00:51 |
@preaction | thanks | 00:51 |
+BartJol | or a poho | 00:51 |
+BartJol | witkap pater tripel is also a good one | 00:51 |
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+BartJol | you can take alcohol from the airport in your personal bagage | 00:52 |
+BartJol | preaction: I see max 5 liter of spirits | 00:54 |
@preaction | that's quite a bit, one or two pints of beer would be fine by me | 00:55 |
+BartJol | well, it seems that that is legal | 00:56 |
@preaction | that's a little more than 1.5 liters probably (don't know the real conversion) | 00:56 |
+BartJol | 2 pints is about 1 liter | 00:56 |
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@preaction | and whatever you got laying around will be fine, provided it's not american lager or whatever ;) | 00:57 |
@preaction | i'm gonna find that brew pub and i might organize a little soiree down that way | 00:57 |
+BartJol | sure you don't want bud? | 00:57 |
+BartJol | I also got some homebrewed beer | 00:57 |
@preaction | i can get squirrel pee fresh from the source if i want | 00:57 |
@preaction | oooooooh never tried that (but i've thought about doing some) | 00:58 |
+BartJol | allthough Sarah did not particularly seem to like that | 00:58 |
+BartJol | it is not that hard, just follow the recept | 00:58 |
+BartJol | and have some equipment | 00:59 |
@preaction | eh, i like all kinds of beer. i've drank some really nasty stuff (Natural Ice, Milwaukee's Best, Old Milwaukee), it can't be worse than those | 00:59 |
+BartJol | oh, wanna join us to the new glarus brewery? | 00:59 |
@preaction | sure! | 01:00 |
+BartJol | prolly on tuesday | 01:00 |
@preaction | Sounds good. I'll talk to Vrby and see what my hotel situation is going to be, otherwise i'll find a couch to crash on | 01:01 |
+BartJol | you can sleep with Koen in his hotel bed | 01:02 |
@preaction | nah, i don't want to make his wife jealous of all this ;) | 01:02 |
+BartJol | mmm, I think I should make a reservation and try to find designated drivers | 01:03 |
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+perlDreamer | I heard you were sleeping in the trunk of JT's car, preaction | 01:25 |
@preaction | nah, they're not going all-out for me. i gotta bring my own refridgerator box | 01:26 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12051 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Macro/NewMail.pm): Backport a patch for NewMail macro which makes it work again. | 01:53 |
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+perlDreamer | another bug bites the dust | 01:54 |
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+perlDreamer | Nice picture, MrHairgrease | 02:02 |
+MrHairgrease | perlDreamer | 02:03 |
+MrHairgrease | hey | 02:03 |
+MrHairgrease | just the guy I needed | 02:03 |
+MrHairgrease | bon noite btw | 02:03 |
+perlDreamer | bon noite? | 02:03 |
+MrHairgrease | I have a bigass testing question for you pd | 02:03 |
+MrHairgrease | hang on | 02:03 |
+MrHairgrease | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m4042b5dc | 02:04 |
+MrHairgrease | lines 5-9 | 02:04 |
+MrHairgrease | how do I test $self->session->request->headers_in->{Accept} eq 'application/json' | 02:05 |
+perlDreamer | You use WebGUI::PseudoRequest, I think | 02:05 |
+perlDreamer | let me read the code | 02:05 |
+MrHairgrease | bon noite eq 'good evening' | 02:05 |
+MrHairgrease | in Portugese of course =) | 02:06 |
+MrHairgrease | pseudo request only seems to have headers_out | 02:06 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 02:06 |
+perlDreamer | maybe you should add headers_in? | 02:07 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah i coud try that | 02:07 |
+MrHairgrease | but | 02:07 |
+MrHairgrease | how does session know which request objecct it has? | 02:07 |
+perlDreamer | In your test, $session will already have a PseudoRequest object in the request slot | 02:08 |
+MrHairgrease | oh | 02:08 |
@preaction | it doesn't care, if it cares then the PseudoRequest is doing it wrong | 02:08 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 02:08 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12052 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Add patch to let Thingy workflows know which Thing they are working on. | 02:08 |
+MrHairgrease | i'll just add that then | 02:09 |
+perlDreamer | so you don't have to worry about hacking the session object to replace it, then | 02:09 |
+MrHairgrease | yes | 02:09 |
+MrHairgrease | great | 02:09 |
+MrHairgrease | coolio | 02:09 |
+MrHairgrease | bom | 02:09 |
+MrHairgrease | muito bom | 02:09 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: as MR&D, I think our first new project should be merging and extending that C-based Apache request object | 02:09 |
@preaction | our first project is getting 7.7 stable, that will be our only project until the WUC I suspect | 02:10 |
@preaction | if it means we spend some time increasing the test coverage of core APIs, that's a good way to spend some extra time | 02:11 |
+perlDreamer | what kind of module are you making, MrHairgrease? | 02:13 |
+perlDreamer | and how's the VIES workflow coming? | 02:13 |
+perlDreamer | SynQ: ping | 02:20 |
+MrHairgrease | perldreamer: about the VIES module: oh crap, that thing again... I'll have it finished before the wuc and I'll buy you a beer for not doing it earlier | 02:24 |
+MrHairgrease | and buy myself two | 02:24 |
+MrHairgrease | ) | 02:24 |
+MrHairgrease | =) | 02:24 |
+perlDreamer | ;) | 02:24 |
+MrHairgrease | and the thing I just posted | 02:24 |
+perlDreamer | Don't feel bad. | 02:24 |
+perlDreamer | I forgot to commit an appoved patch for 6 weeks | 02:24 |
+MrHairgrease | that's an idea I got at one of the yapc sessions | 02:24 |
+perlDreamer | so you are well within the limit | 02:24 |
+MrHairgrease | hat it does is this | 02:24 |
+MrHairgrease | if you sent a specific Accept header | 02:24 |
+MrHairgrease | more prcecisely 'application/json' | 02:25 |
+MrHairgrease | in stead of a processed template | 02:25 |
+MrHairgrease | the var hash will be returned as json | 02:25 |
+MrHairgrease | which is superduperwhizzbang handy for ajax stuff | 02:25 |
+MrHairgrease | I showed JT and he said I could put it still in, if only I wrote tests for it | 02:26 |
+perlDreamer | excellent | 02:27 |
+perlDreamer | so anything can be a JSON provider with this? | 02:27 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah | 02:29 |
+MrHairgrease | that's the beauty of it | 02:29 |
+MrHairgrease | since everything eventually poops out templates | 02:30 |
+MrHairgrease | and the setMimeType method makes sure no html is outputted as well | 02:30 |
@preaction | 7.7.17 isn't released yet? | 02:36 |
+perlDreamer | no | 02:36 |
+perlDreamer | all 7.7 releases were put on hold to get 7.6 our | 02:36 |
+perlDreamer | out | 02:36 |
+perlDreamer | it's going to be one heck of a release | 02:37 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12053 /WebGUI/t/Inbox.t: Add tests for getUnreadMessagesForUser | 02:38 |
@preaction | i swear the EMS needs its own book | 02:40 |
+MrHairgrease | oh crap | 02:40 |
+MrHairgrease | Everything works | 02:41 |
@preaction | and i need david to finish the helpdesk so i can use him to improve the wiki | 02:41 |
+MrHairgrease | but now I'm discovering that I made the changes against a wg fork in my github instead f svn... | 02:41 |
+perlDreamer | wiki? | 02:41 |
+perlDreamer | what needs to be done to the wiki? | 02:41 |
+MrHairgrease | ok, I'm putting these changes in tomorrow morning | 02:43 |
+MrHairgrease | I'm to tired for that now... | 02:43 |
+MrHairgrease | bon noite! | 02:43 |
@preaction | wiki needs at least: categories and subscriptions | 02:44 |
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+perlDreamer | bbiaw | 02:57 |
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+perlDreamer | back | 03:40 |
ekennedy | I wondered if someone could help me with a breadcrumb problem. I'm in the process of dividing a church website into a site representing two campuses. I have a landing page which then branches to one campus or the other. Currently I don't have the campus sub-sites under Root>Home. I've got them under Root>CampusSites>South and Root>CampusSites>North. The url for the two sites is www.site.com/south and www.site.com/north. A breadcr | 03:43 |
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+perlDreamer | so what's the breadcrumb problem? | 04:02 |
+perlDreamer | ekennedy, your post was so long that it was truncated just after the site URLs. | 04:02 |
ekennedy | Thanks PerlDreamer: Here is the rest - The url for the two sites is www.site.com/south and www.site.com/north. A breadcrumb navigation wobject starts at the current URL and traces ancestors back to infinity. This is not returning anything I assume it is because the anscestors do not end at "Root>Home". Is that the problem? Is there any way to specify which url to stop at? | 04:03 |
+perlDreamer | which version of wG? | 04:03 |
+perlDreamer | 7.6? | 04:03 |
+perlDreamer | from the Nav code, I'm guessing that you're seeing the effects of either "isHidden" or "isSystem". | 04:07 |
+perlDreamer | those can be overridden in the Asset itself, but you may have to alter a template as well | 04:11 |
ekennedy | I'm using 7.6. And yes I turned on all of the options on the display tab and the breadcrumb went back to Root. I think I can see now what I need to play with. Thanks for the pointer. | 04:12 |
ekennedy | Seems like there might be a bug. If I turn on show hidden pages I get a page tree. If I turn off show hidden pages I don't even though there is at least one visible page immediately before the current page. | 04:27 |
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ekennedy | Unless I'm hallucinating "Reverse Page Loop" is also having no impact. | 04:36 |
ekennedy | I've got to take a break but will try to do some debugging of the navigation later. | 04:52 |
@preaction | anybody think it'd be a good idea to make a series of video clips that walks a person through how to install WebGUI from the WRE? or how to perform various common tasks? | 04:52 |
@preaction | a video for configuring navigation, or applying a theme package to a large area of the site | 04:53 |
ekennedy | I think it could be very helpful to newbies. | 04:53 |
@preaction | anyone know good software for splicing together and adding audio to a movie? will QuickTime Pro do it? i've got a screencast software, but I think I want to add diagrams and such | 04:56 |
@preaction | and then i think that video is pointless without a good base of written docs | 04:56 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Patrick Donelan history * r149ea66 / (4 files in 4 dirs): | 05:37 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Removed WebGUI::History::Event | 05:37 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Added back in dataSuperHashOf - http://bit.ly/11Rsbq | 05:37 |
+perlDreamer | I hate IE6 | 05:44 |
daviddelikat | im getting tired of computers ingeneral | 05:51 |
daviddelikat | now my webgui vm isn't working | 05:51 |
daviddelikat | and everything is going slow | 05:52 |
daviddelikat | including me | 05:52 |
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+patspam | can anyone think of a nice way of adding an "Encrypt This Page" option to all Account modules a la Asset? | 06:03 |
+patspam | interface-wise.. | 06:03 |
+patspam | account modules don't inherit from a common definition, so I can't just whack it in at the base class | 06:04 |
@preaction | add it to WebGUI::Content::Account maybe? | 06:04 |
+patspam | yeah, I think the implementation would be fairly straightforward, but I'm not sure how to approach getting a per-account module toggle | 06:05 |
+patspam | i guess I could just do a global "encrypt account modules" yes/no | 06:07 |
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+patspam | or if it was a config file setting it could be per-module | 06:08 |
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elnino | ummm. my customer did something to a style template and it is no longer showing up in the choices of styles. I can't find anything different between my last good revision and the one she did. Is there anything I can look at in the db? | 07:50 |
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elnino | well, I have no idea what she did. So I ended up deleting it and it's all fixed. | 08:21 |
elnino | So, is it normal behavior to be able to move a revision from a committed tag to a new (uncommittd) tag? | 08:21 |
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+bartjol | mmm, ryuu_ro what do you think is wrong in the next quote from the WebGUI help: "The macro must be put in the Macros directory in the WebGUI source code: lib/WebGUI/Macros/." | 14:37 |
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ryuu_ro | well i'm a bit afraid for the dot at the end | 14:39 |
ryuu_ro | like it's supposed to be in a hidden dir or something | 14:39 |
ryuu_ro | and ofcourse the macro's that you create yourself should be in a custom dir, but that's a matter of style | 14:39 |
+bartjol | well, I meant the last bit, since backup recovery will become harder | 14:41 |
+bartjol | I noticed the comma too | 14:41 |
+bartjol | which is confusing | 14:42 |
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+bartjol | removed the comma in the Dutch tranlation | 14:43 |
ryuu_ro | ok that's cool, but what to do with the custom dir prob? | 14:45 |
ryuu_ro | where does the translation come from? | 14:45 |
ryuu_ro | Macro.pm? | 14:46 |
+bartjol | yes | 14:49 |
+bartjol | I altered the dutch version | 14:49 |
+bartjol | now PB may translate that to english | 14:49 |
+bartjol | would you be so kind to check that one at i18n.webgui.org | 14:50 |
+bartjol | some time | 14:50 |
ryuu_ro | ok i'm on it now, which namespace? | 14:51 |
+bartjol | macro | 14:51 |
+bartjol | sorry Macros | 14:51 |
+bartjol | tag macros list body | 14:52 |
ryuu_ro | ok that's what i needed to know | 14:52 |
+bartjol | I know you need me | 14:52 |
ryuu_ro | looks good bartjol | 14:55 |
+bartjol | ok, is this bug or rfe material | 14:55 |
ryuu_ro | well technically it's true that is has to be put in the lib/WebGUI/Macro dir | 14:56 |
ryuu_ro | so it isn't a bug | 14:56 |
ryuu_ro | I would say RFE | 14:56 |
ryuu_ro | bartjol: you ever worked with the ports system of FreeBSD? | 14:58 |
+bartjol | unfortunately not | 14:59 |
ryuu_ro | that's a shame, i'm using it right now and i'm having a couple of difficulties. Back to google it is | 15:00 |
+bartjol | mmm, I have an error in the rich editor on the rfe section, I can't seem to get italic off and the html function misses | 15:01 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: martin * r12054 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Adding return JSON on specific requeest feature to template. | 15:55 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: translation * r12055 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (7 files): Update from translation server | 16:23 |
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CIA-53 | wrebuild: JT Smith master * rb44d138 / (wre/docs/changelog.txt wre/var/setupfiles/modproxy.conf): WRE mod_expires (#9618) - http://bit.ly/2skuQP | 16:50 |
CIA-53 | wrebuild: JT Smith master * r81ec952 / (7 files in 4 dirs): | 16:50 |
CIA-53 | wrebuild: made a few fixes, and updated the mime types, trying to merge a conflict | 16:50 |
CIA-53 | wrebuild: Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/wrebuild | 16:50 |
CIA-53 | wrebuild: Conflicts: | 16:50 |
CIA-53 | wrebuild: wre/docs/changelog.txt - http://bit.ly/YwJNE | 16:50 |
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+perlDreamer | wow! | 17:49 |
+perlDreamer | everybody showed up | 17:49 |
+bartjol | for what? | 17:52 |
+perlDreamer | Monday | 17:52 |
+perlDreamer | did you see the new batch of i18n, bartjol? | 17:53 |
+bartjol | not yet | 17:53 |
+bartjol | it's not on the i18n site | 17:53 |
+bartjol | is it in git? | 17:53 |
+perlDreamer | svn | 17:56 |
+perlDreamer | it should be released on Thursday | 17:56 |
+perlDreamer | a bunch of LDAP i18n | 17:56 |
+bartjol | well, that is ot too much | 17:58 |
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+perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=12046 | 17:58 |
+bartjol | already found it | 17:58 |
+bartjol | I'm not scared of that | 18:00 |
+perlDreamer | of course not | 18:00 |
+perlDreamer | I just don't like surprising you with new work | 18:00 |
+bartjol | new assets are more labourious | 18:00 |
+bartjol | well, you alrady annouced it earlier | 18:03 |
+perlDreamer | I did? | 18:07 |
+bartjol | yeah, last week | 18:07 |
mducharme-work | perlDreamer: something was missed from the thread | 18:07 |
+perlDreamer | thread? | 18:07 |
mducharme-work | we had agreed it was best to call it "LDAP Proxy User DN" instead of LDAP Proxy Username | 18:07 |
+bartjol | the forum | 18:08 |
mducharme-work | the svn link you just pasted says LDAP Proxy Username..... | 18:08 |
mducharme-work | that was one of the feedback items in the thread and one I agreed with | 18:08 |
+bartjol | well, I didn't agree with anything | 18:09 |
+bartjol | netither did I disagree | 18:09 |
mducharme-work | heh | 18:09 |
mducharme-work | I mean the people in the thread who replied | 18:09 |
+bartjol | I will see it on i18n.webgui.org | 18:09 |
mducharme-work | it was a suggested change as a response to the ldap relabellings I had suggested and I agreed with that change, because it makes more sense | 18:10 |
+bartjol | Well I'm fine with that | 18:10 |
+bartjol | we hardly use ldap for webgui | 18:11 |
+perlDreamer | fixed | 18:12 |
+bartjol | perlDreamer: I made an rfe for the Macros.pm i18n file | 18:12 |
+bartjol | the description was a bit awkward in my eyes | 18:12 |
+bartjol | dunno if you agree with my suggested changes | 18:12 |
+bartjol | but maybe you can tackle that while you're working on i18n | 18:13 |
+perlDreamer | that's not an rfe | 18:14 |
+bartjol | well | 18:14 |
+bartjol | since the content wasn't strictly wrong | 18:14 |
+bartjol | after a meeting of 1.5 hours with rory we decided it best to put in an rfe ;) | 18:15 |
+perlDreamer | it's a bug | 18:15 |
+perlDreamer | it's factually incorrect | 18:15 |
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+bartjol | well, ok | 18:15 |
+perlDreamer | RFEs are about opinions | 18:15 |
+bartjol | well, I just noticed it | 18:16 |
+bartjol | prolly it's not possible to move it to a bug status | 18:17 |
+perlDreamer | no, I'll just fix it and close it | 18:18 |
+bartjol | so what's best? treat the rfe as a bug, or make a new bug post | 18:18 |
+bartjol | ok | 18:18 |
+bartjol | do check my english if you use that text | 18:18 |
+bartjol | I also check yours :P | 18:18 |
+perlDreamer | Oh no | 18:18 |
+perlDreamer | If it's wrong, I'm assigning the bug to you to fix :) | 18:18 |
+bartjol | I don't have any access | 18:19 |
+bartjol | to svn | 18:19 |
@tavisto | perlDreamer, didn't someone fix the shopping cart but where this happens: | 18:20 |
@tavisto | All 3 buttons (update, continue shopping, checkout) were all acting like the "Continue Shopping" button and taking me back to my previous screen instead of carrying out their expected behavior. | 18:20 |
+bartjol | well | 18:20 |
@tavisto | remember that used to happen awhile ago before someone implemented a fix to prevent that from happening. (or it could be cache issue as well I assume) | 18:20 |
+perlDreamer | I don't remember that bug. But there was a similar bug with choosing an address for checkout. | 18:21 |
@tavisto | hmm | 18:21 |
+bartjol | doesn't that relate to the payment plugins? I had the templates screwed up | 18:22 |
+perlDreamer | regardless, tavisto, report the bug, along with a site so that I can look through the logfiles before they disappear. | 18:22 |
+bartjol | once and then the whole checkout process failed | 18:22 |
+bartjol | tried to skip a form | 18:23 |
+bartjol | well, that didn't work :) | 18:23 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12056 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/AuthLDAP.pm: A few slight LDAP i18n tweaks. | 18:23 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12057 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/AuthLDAP.pm: Forward porting LDAP i18n tweaks | 18:23 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12058 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Macros.pm: Update i18n text to show that a custom install directory can be used. | 18:23 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12059 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Macros.pm: Forward port macro i18n fix. | 18:23 |
+bartjol | aah, Colin the bugfix hero | 18:24 |
@tavisto | hmm that could be bartjol | 18:24 |
+bartjol | tavisto: that you did something to the template? | 18:25 |
@tavisto | not I | 18:25 |
+bartjol | well, you can test that by using the default templates | 18:26 |
+bartjol | tavisto: well, you came up with it :P | 18:26 |
+bartjol | take responsibility | 18:26 |
@tavisto | lucky for me I dont have to do the dirty work | 18:28 |
+bartjol | These templates are easily compromised | 18:28 |
+bartjol | ah, you have a slave? | 18:28 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12060 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/RemoveOldCarts.pm: Remove debug code from RemoveOldCarts workflow. | 18:38 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12061 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/RemoveOldCarts.pm: Remove debug from RemoveOldCarts workflow activity. | 18:38 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, we need daviddelikat's Helpdesk code soon | 18:48 |
@Haarg | yes | 18:48 |
+perlDreamer | wide comments nuke the bug controls | 18:48 |
@Haarg | i was trying it out though and the tab behavior wasn't working properly | 18:48 |
+perlDreamer | in fact, can we have it autowrap content? | 18:49 |
@Haarg | so we'll want to verify that | 18:49 |
+perlDreamer | it doesn't use the Comments aspect, iirc | 18:49 |
@Haarg | i'd rather have it scroll i think | 18:49 |
@Haarg | it's useful to be able to paste code in sometimes | 18:49 |
+perlDreamer | but we have that nifty upload feature for patches | 18:50 |
@Haarg | you aren't always dealing with patches though | 18:50 |
+perlDreamer | true | 18:51 |
@Haarg | it's probably of more use on the support boards actually | 18:52 |
@Haarg | since you are more frequently dealing with code snippets | 18:52 |
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@Haarg | code/css/html | 18:52 |
+perlDreamer | true. and wrapping that would be bad | 18:54 |
+perlDreamer | you saw the IE6 bug with resizing? | 18:54 |
@Haarg | yes | 18:54 |
@Haarg | the part that amuses me about that is previously the edit area sized itself wrong like that in firefox | 18:55 |
@Haarg | until we made it disabled by default | 18:55 |
+bartjol | I'm off, bye | 18:56 |
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* perlDreamer is hoping that we can drop IE6 as a supported browser | 18:56 | |
+perlDreamer | but knows the chances of that are slim | 18:57 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12062 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm): Fix a typo in the illegal product quantity error checker in the cart. | 19:09 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: ekennedy * r12063 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Account/Inbox.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Fixed #10743: Inbox Rich Editor selection not saved (Eric Kennedy) | 19:09 |
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elnino | my customer did something to a style template and it is no longer showing up in the choices of styles. I can't find anything different between my last good revision and the one she did. Is there anything I can look at in the db? | 19:21 |
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elnino | I ended up deleting the revision, but I have db backups, I fear there is a bug somewhere there. | 19:22 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: ekennedy * r12064 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/Account/Inbox.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Fixed #10743: Inbox Rich Editor selection not saved (Eric Kennedy) | 19:39 |
+perlDreamer | elnino, whether a template is a style template or not is determined by the template namespace | 20:18 |
+perlDreamer | but, iirc, you're not allowed to change the namespace once it's been set | 20:19 |
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* perlDreamer is back | 20:33 | |
+BartJol | aah, been working out | 20:34 |
+perlDreamer | yes, I was exercising my legs | 20:43 |
+perlDreamer | now it feels like time to exercise something else | 20:43 |
+perlDreamer | like my stomach | 20:43 |
+BartJol | by eating huge amounts of hotdogs? | 20:45 |
@preaction | i'm getting 15-20% packetloss to my gateway. think i should call my ISP? | 20:46 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: did you have any thoughts about using Test::Class? and ideas on how it should work for Assets? | 20:48 |
+perlDreamer | y s I t ink t ah ou s oul , reac on | 20:48 |
@preaction | your death will not be quick | 20:48 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: I'd love to use it, but the latest bug is with Test::Class on the WRE/MacOS, iirc | 20:48 |
+BartJol | perlDreamer: you have quite some death threats lately | 20:48 |
+BartJol | strange for such a nice guy | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | and you wonder why I work out so much ;) | 20:49 |
+BartJol | run Colin run | 20:52 |
+BartJol | ok programming time | 20:53 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: Haarg may remember more about it than I do, since he found it | 20:53 |
+perlDreamer | I was testing Account.pm with Test::Class | 20:53 |
@Haarg | i would love if we started using Test::Class, but as long as it is broken that's not an option | 20:54 |
@Haarg | http://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=43675 | 20:54 |
@Haarg | it's a bug in Devel::Symdump, which is used by Test::Class | 20:55 |
+perlDreamer | but it's also perl dependent | 20:55 |
+perlDreamer | Fedora's perl isn't affected by this | 20:55 |
@Haarg | yes | 20:55 |
* perlDreamer wonders if it's fixed in 5.10.1-RC1 | 21:00 | |
@preaction | humph. i'm trying to use it for WebGUIx::Asset, we'll see how it goes | 21:01 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI sits in a deep, dark valley, bereft of awesome testing tools | 21:08 |
* perlDreamer mourns in sackcloth and ashes | 21:08 | |
+perlDreamer | preaction: I kept a tarfile of my old Test::Class tests if you want to try them out | 21:09 |
elnino | perlDreamer, yep, and from what I can tell, she didn't change the namespace, nor do we have the option to change the namespace when modifying a template. | 21:09 |
+perlDreamer | elnino, if you can recreate it, I'll see about fixing it | 21:11 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: i was more needing to ask: do we make methods with the same name as WebGUI::Asset methods to test? | 21:11 |
@preaction | do we create one instance of the asset and just test that? | 21:12 |
+perlDreamer | I make test methods with the same name | 21:12 |
+perlDreamer | and I limit asset existance to the scope of the sub | 21:12 |
+perlDreamer | so limit sideways interactions | 21:12 |
+perlDreamer | this is slower, but more precise | 21:13 |
@preaction | so you have a setup method that creates a new asset? and the teardown method deletes it? | 21:13 |
+perlDreamer | since Test::Class is again for unit tests | 21:13 |
+perlDreamer | No, I built the asset inside the test | 21:14 |
+perlDreamer | unless each test used exactly the same asset, I'd rather have related code close by | 21:14 |
+perlDreamer | and I don't see the point in putting it in 3 subs vs 1 | 21:15 |
+perlDreamer | however, you also have to remember that I'm a stingy old test writer | 21:15 |
+perlDreamer | and not one of these new-fangled test writers, who do fancy stuff like that | 21:15 |
@preaction | i suppose, WebGUIx::Asset's create is just one simple line: $class->create({ properties }); | 21:15 |
+perlDreamer | no session? | 21:16 |
+perlDreamer | or is session a properties? | 21:16 |
@preaction | oh right, needs a session somehow | 21:17 |
@preaction | the schema needs it to connect | 21:17 |
+perlDreamer | have you ever thought about implying the session? | 21:17 |
+perlDreamer | using some of the new code magic to automagically put one into every method call? | 21:17 |
+perlDreamer | kind of like what they do with $self in the fancy OO code | 21:18 |
+perlDreamer | I also think that's a Catalyst trick. | 21:18 |
@preaction | like in MooseX::Declare? | 21:18 |
* perlDreamer is Moose ignorant | 21:18 | |
+perlDreamer | more accurate to say "Moose avoidant" | 21:19 |
@preaction | Devel::Declare is some hairy black magic that lets you specify a keyword where Perl uses your parser instead of Perl's parser | 21:19 |
@preaction | MooseX::Declare is as much of Perl6's object syntax as we can get in Perl5 | 21:19 |
@preaction | it lets you do: method name ( argument ) { # $self already exists now, and so does $argument } | 21:22 |
@Haarg | i'm not sure there would be any reasonable way to have an implied session unless you want to start peeking into the caller's lexicals and that's a level of evil beyond parser tricks | 21:23 |
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@Haarg | preaction, perlDreamer: any thoughts on my webgui plugin installer thingy? does it seem like a worthwhile idea to pursue? | 21:36 |
+perlDreamer | definitely | 21:36 |
@Haarg | the automatic sql updating thing is the most important part | 21:36 |
+perlDreamer | reading that, it got me thinking that we need a way to package workflows | 21:36 |
+perlDreamer | isn't there something like that in CRUD? | 21:36 |
@Haarg | yes | 21:37 |
@Haarg | and Installable | 21:37 |
@Haarg | but you can't do it with arbitrary tables | 21:37 |
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@Haarg | and the devs already know how to deal with the sql files for the most part | 21:38 |
@Haarg | but if i kept going in this direction, having a 'crud_class' directive/option would be good | 21:39 |
+perlDreamer | does this bring us closer to Lift at all? | 21:39 |
@Haarg | i wasn't thinking about it in that way, no | 21:40 |
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@preaction | does it have to depend on WGDev? can it be WebGUI::Installer or WebGUI::PluginInstaller or something? | 21:42 |
@preaction | otherwise it looks great | 21:42 |
@Haarg | that's another thing i was thinking about | 21:42 |
+perlDreamer | feels like we're reinventing Build | 21:42 |
@Haarg | wgdev just makes it easy to do a bunch of the stuff i have but it wouldn't have to | 21:42 |
@Haarg | that's my other thought, if i wanted to come up with something that would leverage Module::Build | 21:43 |
+perlDreamer | Modue::Build::WebGUI | 21:43 |
+perlDreamer | with the WRE, there's no real reason that we couldn't install WebGUI right into perl library area | 21:44 |
+perlDreamer | if we did that, we could use blib for testing | 21:45 |
+perlDreamer | and throw away the icky parts of WebGUI::Test | 21:45 |
@Haarg | which icky parts? | 21:45 |
+perlDreamer | the part where you have to use FindBin in every test | 21:45 |
@Haarg | ah | 21:45 |
@Haarg | wgd already handles that actually | 21:46 |
+perlDreamer | really? | 21:46 |
@Haarg | well, it sets PERL5LIB | 21:46 |
@Haarg | i guess you need the root though | 21:47 |
+perlDreamer | and it adds /data/WebGUI/t/lib ? | 21:47 |
+perlDreamer | not really. WebGUI::Test will find the root, the problem is finding WebGUI::Test | 21:47 |
+perlDreamer | that's the only reason FindBin is in each script | 21:47 |
@Haarg | i guess it doesn't add t/lib, no | 21:47 |
@Haarg | that would be a problem Module::Build / blib anyway though | 21:48 |
+perlDreamer | I'm entangling the issues | 21:49 |
* preaction untangles issues with swords | 21:49 | |
+perlDreamer | This is solvable if we move WebGUI::Test and it's tree into /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI | 21:49 |
+perlDreamer | then it's only set once | 21:49 |
+perlDreamer | but then the code might get loaded | 21:50 |
+perlDreamer | so we'd have to set preload.exclude everywhere | 21:50 |
@Haarg | i don't love FindBin, but that or an equivalent is pretty much the only option | 21:51 |
+perlDreamer | use blib | 21:51 |
@Haarg | Test::Class solves the problem as well | 21:52 |
@Haarg | blib doesn't get you anything aside from lib though | 21:52 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI::Test does the rest | 21:52 |
@Haarg | required WebGUI::Test to be in lib, not t/lib | 21:52 |
@Haarg | and i think that is a bad idea | 21:52 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 21:53 |
+perlDreamer | perldoc blib says it just looks for a blib directory | 21:53 |
+perlDreamer | and it only goes 5 levels deep, which might be a problem for our nested testing structure | 21:54 |
@Haarg | for WGDev i'm using File::Spec and __FILE__ to get t/lib, but it's basically the same concept as using FindBin. | 21:54 |
@Haarg | just simpler since I only have one level | 21:54 |
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+perlDreamer | in any case, I think I hijacked your installer conversation | 22:04 |
+perlDreamer | let me rerail it | 22:04 |
+perlDreamer | It sounds like there are several open questions | 22:04 |
+perlDreamer | Module dependencies, like SQL::Translator | 22:05 |
+perlDreamer | Implementations, like WGDev based, or Build based (or even E::M) | 22:05 |
@Haarg | well, if we move WebGUI to a Module::Build based setup it might make sense to build off that | 22:06 |
+perlDreamer | I think SquOnk has been working on that | 22:06 |
@Haarg | until then it doesn't because M::B doesn't really provide anything useful for what i'm doing if i'm not actually going to install files | 22:07 |
@Haarg | it's one of things i'd like to do for 8 as well | 22:07 |
@Haarg | assuming it isn't using M::B, the other question is if it should be built for WGDev or WebGUI. that in tern depends on other prereqs. | 22:10 |
@Haarg | i was thinking of somewhat silly things like having WebGUI::Installer that would only be able to do installs and WGDev::Installer would be able to do upgrades as well | 22:11 |
@Haarg | and it would automatically switch between them depending on what was available | 22:11 |
@Haarg | but i think that's getting a bit too complex for something that could easily be thrown out | 22:11 |
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+BartJol | mmm I forgot my dev book, but do I have to enable a operation in the conf to work, or is adjusting the url enough if I put it in the Operation.pm file? | 22:14 |
@Haarg | if you stick it in Operation.pm it would just work, but that's not the advised way to do it at this point | 22:15 |
@Haarg | the recommended way is to create a content handler | 22:15 |
@Haarg | and add that to the config file | 22:15 |
+BartJol | well, off course that is the next step, I'm mainly exploring | 22:16 |
+BartJol | thanks | 22:16 |
+BartJol | in that case I'm doing something else wrong | 22:16 |
* perlDreamer feeds kids lunch | 22:27 | |
+perlDreamer | back in 30 | 22:27 |
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iflux | re | 22:42 |
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+BartJol | mmm perlDreamer my modulepath of my operation is not recognised, I did make an entry in Operation.pm | 23:12 |
+perlDreamer | paste? | 23:12 |
+BartJol | but the eval in Pluggable.pm doesn't recogise it | 23:12 |
+BartJol | working on that | 23:13 |
+BartJol | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m62a18a47 | 23:14 |
+BartJol | that is the operation entry | 23:14 |
+BartJol | and it is in WebGUI/operation/ | 23:15 |
+BartJol | pasted the method below that | 23:16 |
+perlDreamer | it made a new paste | 23:17 |
+BartJol | mmm and the error | 23:17 |
+BartJol | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m65029362 | 23:17 |
+BartJol | of course it is filthy code | 23:18 |
+perlDreamer | all modules must return 1 | 23:18 |
+BartJol | oooh | 23:18 |
+BartJol | stupid | 23:18 |
+perlDreamer | you see it now? | 23:18 |
+BartJol | yes | 23:18 |
+perlDreamer | don't feel bad. Everyone does it | 23:18 |
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+BartJol | yoohoo | 23:21 |
+BartJol | it returns 1 | 23:21 |
+BartJol | and the scratch is set | 23:21 |
+BartJol | I get returned to a page that says "1", but it is better | 23:22 |
+BartJol | well, I think I'm getting a bit the hang of it | 23:23 |
+BartJol | cool get rid of that one too | 23:24 |
+perlDreamer | BartJol, if SetLanguage is like SwitchOnAdmin, why not check out how it does its magic | 23:24 |
* perlDreamer guesses that it does a redirect back to the bare URL | 23:24 | |
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+BartJol | well I had a return 1 in the sub, replaced it with a 1; below the sub | 23:25 |
+BartJol | which works and leaves me on the same page | 23:25 |
+BartJol | well, it is half the work | 23:25 |
+BartJol | now I must ensure that the i18n module does something with that | 23:26 |
+BartJol | and it would be best if I can incorporate it in my LanguagePageSwitch macro | 23:27 |
+BartJol | well, for a first attempt and presentation purposes it should be enough | 23:27 |
+BartJol | thanks perlDreamer | 23:28 |
+perlDreamer | is SynQ around today? | 23:28 |
+perlDreamer | I'm having WRE build problems | 23:28 |
+BartJol | dunno | 23:28 |
+BartJol | ah | 23:28 |
+BartJol | on fedora? | 23:28 |
+perlDreamer | On CentOS | 23:28 |
+BartJol | ah | 23:28 |
+BartJol | well, I expect that SynQ will be a better help than me, allthough my intensions are good | 23:29 |
+perlDreamer | it would appear that several websites used to fetch software (catdoc) are down | 23:29 |
+perlDreamer | and I was wondering if there are alternate sites | 23:29 |
+perlDreamer | or, if I can get the last binary so I can move past this step. | 23:30 |
+BartJol | mmm is the nluug site online, they have quite some stuff | 23:32 |
+BartJol | or is it nllug | 23:32 |
+BartJol | ... | 23:32 |
+perlDreamer | never heard of it | 23:32 |
+BartJol | it the dutch linux users site | 23:33 |
+perlDreamer | nllug.nl? | 23:33 |
+BartJol | http://ftp.nluug.nl/ | 23:33 |
+BartJol | mmm | 23:33 |
+BartJol | no CentOs as far as I can see | 23:34 |
+perlDreamer | do they have catdoc? | 23:34 |
+BartJol | I'm afraid not | 23:35 |
+BartJol | http://catdoc.klik.atekon.de/ | 23:35 |
+BartJol | that has it | 23:35 |
+BartJol | I hope it has more than german docs | 23:37 |
+BartJol | perlDreamer: did that work out? | 23:37 |
+perlDreamer | no download link? | 23:37 |
+perlDreamer | what is klik::? | 23:37 |
+BartJol | dunno | 23:38 |
+BartJol | :) | 23:38 |
+BartJol | ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/catdoc-0.94.tar.gz | 23:39 |
+BartJol | but the freebsd bit in that url worries me | 23:39 |
+BartJol | it does work | 23:40 |
+perlDreamer | I'll download from utexas.edu instead | 23:40 |
+perlDreamer | I thought I would build the WRE with the latest perl, 5.10.1-RC1 | 23:40 |
+perlDreamer | and found out that many versions that the WRE wants are no longer available | 23:40 |
+BartJol | here is a source http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/packages/catdoc/catdoc-0.94-1.rf.src.rpm | 23:40 |
+BartJol | mmm, that is not good | 23:41 |
+perlDreamer | no | 23:41 |
+BartJol | not sure what Koen used for the latest wre | 23:41 |
+perlDreamer | the website for catdoc seems to be offline | 23:42 |
+perlDreamer | I wonder if it has gone out of style | 23:42 |
+BartJol | is see the site though http://www.catdoc.org/ | 23:42 |
+BartJol | ;) | 23:42 |
+perlDreamer | they charge extra for dogscans | 23:43 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: would SQL::Translator help with this: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/10746 | 23:43 |
@Haarg | it's more meant for schemas | 23:44 |
@Haarg | you don't need the parenthesis for that though iirc | 23:45 |
+perlDreamer | but there are potentially valid SQL statements that begin with paren though? | 23:48 |
@preaction | yes | 23:50 |
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+BartJol | cool | 00:19 |
+BartJol | perlDreamer: my method seems to work | 00:20 |
+BartJol | it changes webgui language like dutch people drink beer | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | awesome! | 00:21 |
+BartJol | it's really sweet | 00:21 |
+BartJol | it is local, so I can't show it | 00:22 |
+BartJol | well, only put it in a content handler and I almost have my presentation ready | 00:23 |
+perlDreamer | now, all you need to do is figure out multilingual content, and you'll have solved one of the longest running WebGUI requests | 00:24 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, preaction: 24 hours and counting | 00:24 |
+BartJol | content is a bit of another story, but that macro of me did that job nicely too | 00:25 |
+BartJol | you just have to set up your site very neatly | 00:25 |
+BartJol | which is always the case | 00:26 |
mducharme-work | I had always wondered that.. if there was a way to have a webgui site in multiple languages.. without having duplicates of everything | 00:26 |
+BartJol | well | 00:26 |
+BartJol | with my method you still need duplicates | 00:27 |
+BartJol | the idea is that you can switch between page trees nicely (based on lineage) | 00:27 |
+BartJol | so sorry mducharme-work, it is not that sweet | 00:28 |
+BartJol | and content has to be translated anyway | 00:30 |
mducharme-work | yeah | 00:30 |
+BartJol | I just made a step in the right direction | 00:30 |
+perlDreamer | it's not a bad workflow, really | 00:31 |
+perlDreamer | the problem is synchronization | 00:31 |
mducharme-work | unless you could find a way to have multiple languages stored in a single asset | 00:31 |
mducharme-work | with multiple page titles for each language..... | 00:32 |
mducharme-work | er titles | 00:32 |
mducharme-work | not page titles... | 00:32 |
+BartJol | well, page titles or not of importance, as it works with lineage | 00:32 |
+BartJol | that macro of me | 00:33 |
+BartJol | also url's can be translated that way | 00:33 |
+BartJol | and be readable in every language | 00:33 |
+BartJol | well, after this accomplishment I think I deserve a beer | 00:34 |
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+BartJol | let's have a look at contenthandlers | 00:35 |
+BartJol | mmm, that one works too | 00:53 |
+BartJol | only I loose the template | 00:53 |
+BartJol | probably wrong order in the conf | 00:53 |
+BartJol | or it is not forwarded right | 00:53 |
@tavisto | perlDreamer, did you update TGC or did you send that over to Tom | 01:00 |
@tavisto | actually, you should send that to preaction since he's managing that group now | 01:01 |
+perlDreamer | I sent it to Tom, and he updated the site | 01:06 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto, both of those are fixed. The core bug, and the custom one, too. | 01:11 |
@tavisto | excellent. I'll let the customer know | 01:11 |
@tavisto | PerlDreamer receives a ThumbsUp++ | 01:12 |
+perlDreamer | ah, that's much better than the beknighted Silver Raspberry | 01:12 |
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+BartJol | and broke my contenthandler again... | 01:21 |
+BartJol | well it's too late i suspect | 01:29 |
+perlDreamer | 22:30, yes? | 01:30 |
+perlDreamer | you can't drink all day, and hack all night, and expect it not to affect your drinking | 01:30 |
+BartJol | nope 12:30 | 01:30 |
+BartJol | only had two beers today | 01:30 |
+BartJol | strange though that the handler worked the first time | 01:31 |
+BartJol | well, tomorrow I have a dev book | 01:32 |
+BartJol | till tomorrow | 01:33 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12065 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 03:23 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Fix queryIsAllowed to look at the first word in the query, regardless of punctuation or whitespace. | 03:23 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Add tests for queryIsAllowed. | 03:23 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12066 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Backport fixes for shop quantity, and DatabaseLink query. | 03:23 |
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daviddelikat | perlDreamer: im looking at the survey bug(finally) and I was wondering if you had tried running it with debug messages turned off? | 05:31 |
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@preaction | there is some really nutty methods in some of this stuff... | 06:32 |
+perlDreamer | daviddelikat, I've only seen the bug report | 06:49 |
daviddelikat | I've been poking around a bit tonight, and I just posted a long-ish reply to the helpdesk ticket.. | 06:50 |
daviddelikat | I'm not sure if I was looking at what you wanted me to look at or not, the main issue is largely un-documented... | 06:51 |
daviddelikat | so I just looked at what I could get from the notes | 06:51 |
+perlDreamer | yes, it is | 06:51 |
daviddelikat | ( totally forgot to look at the pictures ) | 06:51 |
+perlDreamer | the real question is this. Could you edit a survey? | 06:51 |
+perlDreamer | add sections, questions, answers. Edit existing ones, etc. | 06:51 |
daviddelikat | running IE* the two add buttons are missing | 06:52 |
daviddelikat | IE8 | 06:52 |
+perlDreamer | that definitely could be. We know there are problems in IE6. IE7 on Vista seemed to be okay | 06:53 |
+perlDreamer | for now, I think it's safe to say that this thing sucks on IE, various versions and platforms | 06:54 |
daviddelikat | so I'm just putting in for the night | 06:55 |
+perlDreamer | thanks for looking at it. I appreciate it | 06:55 |
daviddelikat | I'll double up on IE sucks | 06:55 |
daviddelikat | I was testing my help desk comment editting | 06:55 |
daviddelikat | and IE gave me some JS errors | 06:55 |
+perlDreamer | yeah. grrrr | 06:55 |
daviddelikat | like missing ')' | 06:55 |
daviddelikat | and unclose string literal | 06:55 |
+perlDreamer | those are real errors! | 06:56 |
daviddelikat | even gave me line numbers | 06:56 |
+perlDreamer | sometimes, it's good that thing is so pendantic | 06:56 |
daviddelikat | but there is nothing wrong with the lines | 06:56 |
+perlDreamer | oh | 06:56 |
+perlDreamer | does jslint check for stuff like that? | 06:56 |
daviddelikat | so I'm guessing theres a ~bug~ | 06:56 |
daviddelikat | haven't tried it | 06:56 |
+perlDreamer | me either | 06:56 |
daviddelikat | I bet it would be good to look at... | 06:57 |
+perlDreamer | I nuked two of my VM's by using foreign repositories | 06:57 |
daviddelikat | I'll be around tomorrow night some, one all day Wed and Thurs. | 06:57 |
daviddelikat | nuked? | 06:58 |
daviddelikat | did you have network problems? | 06:58 |
+perlDreamer | they run, but you can do any package updates on the OS | 06:58 |
+perlDreamer | can't do any | 06:58 |
+perlDreamer | yum is totally hosed | 06:58 |
+perlDreamer | so, no new software until I fix them, or wipe them and reinstall | 06:58 |
daviddelikat | wow, toast | 06:58 |
daviddelikat | I spent most of my weekend recovering form about 6 crashes I had starting on Thursday Morning | 06:59 |
daviddelikat | my main box was overheating | 06:59 |
+perlDreamer | that's not good | 06:59 |
+perlDreamer | you need cooling | 06:59 |
daviddelikat | got any recomendations? | 06:59 |
daviddelikat | cheap ones? | 06:59 |
+perlDreamer | large box fan from costco with a cookie tray of water in front of it | 07:00 |
daviddelikat | I was messing around with some TEC devices I have at work... | 07:00 |
daviddelikat | there are no costco's in thea rea | 07:00 |
daviddelikat | I had a TEC hooked up to a stray CPU power supply on the 12V side and it got really cold on one side but the other side got so hot it melted the solder. | 07:02 |
daviddelikat | thats the problem with cooling, you have to have somewhere for the HEAT to go | 07:02 |
daviddelikat | well, I'm off | 07:04 |
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@preaction | is this a bug? | 07:13 |
@preaction | "I HATE THE USER IMPORT TOOL" | 07:13 |
@preaction | should I post it to the bug list? | 07:13 |
+perlDreamer | it depends | 07:13 |
+perlDreamer | are _you_ going to fix it? | 07:14 |
@preaction | the parser is worse than braindead | 07:14 |
@preaction | hell no, I manage you now. shit rolls downhill remember? | 07:14 |
+perlDreamer | I went through that once. | 07:14 |
+perlDreamer | Respectfully, it won't happen again. | 07:14 |
@preaction | what? I don't get to change into a completely different person now that I have duh powah? | 07:15 |
@preaction | awww... | 07:15 |
+perlDreamer | I'll fall on a sword for you, but if you roll the Big Stinking Ball of Feces, no promises ;) | 07:15 |
@preaction | it'll get fixed, but for now i'm just gonna bitch about how much worse than braindead this thing is :p | 07:15 |
@preaction | OOo saves CSV files by always wrapping values in quotes. that breaks the userImport.pl tool | 07:16 |
+perlDreamer | Shouldn't it just use Text::CSV_XS, like everything else in wG? | 07:16 |
@preaction | yeah, Text::CSV even lets you set what you want the delimiter to be, so it should work exactly as it does now | 07:17 |
+perlDreamer | I think you can tell OOo not to wrap stuff in quotes, but you have to set that manually | 07:17 |
+perlDreamer | or maybe that's only on import... | 07:19 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12067 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Transaction.pm): Fix a typo in getting the in store credit for the post-transaction email. | 07:52 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12068 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver.pm): Backport in-shop credit deduction fix for transaction email. | 07:52 |
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+perlDreamer | I'm going to call it a night | 08:08 |
+perlDreamer | see you all tomorrow | 08:08 |
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CIA-53 | wgdev: Patrick Donelan master * r2895b38 / lib/WGDev/Command/User.pm : | 13:44 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Added User command | 13:44 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Currently has 2 options: | 13:44 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: *) findByPassword - returns a list of all users using the given password | 13:44 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: *) findByDictionary - does a simple brute-force search for all users | 13:44 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: using any password in the specified dictionary file - http://bit.ly/TArkr | 13:44 |
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+BartJol | mmm JT asked me to make some doc on the language scratch variable, so it would not be a "floating around variable" | 16:22 |
+BartJol | doubting whether how to do this | 16:23 |
+BartJol | so I get it "reserved" in session::scratch | 16:25 |
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+BartJol | preaction: do you know what's the best method of "reserving" a scratch variable? | 16:50 |
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SquOnk | HI everyone | 17:00 |
+BartJol | hi | 17:01 |
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SquOnk | How does one solve the "select a country", then "select a city from the appropiate country" and so, using WebGUI? | 17:08 |
+BartJol | ah, so you narrow the options | 17:09 |
SquOnk | Well... | 17:09 |
SquOnk | ...the concrete problem is there's a list of years, for each year there's a list of publications, for each publication there's a list of issues | 17:09 |
+BartJol | ah | 17:10 |
SquOnk | They want to click on the year, and have only the publications for that year, then click on publications and have a list of the issues | 17:10 |
SquOnk | All in the same page. | 17:10 |
SquOnk | I've already suggested using folders, with subfolders, each one with a navigation. | 17:10 |
+BartJol | so that sounds like a yui utility | 17:10 |
SquOnk | But they're dumb as a bent elbow | 17:10 |
+BartJol | I hear that the yui connection manager is the best option | 17:12 |
+BartJol | with ajax calls | 17:12 |
SquOnk | Aha | 17:12 |
+BartJol | ryuu_ro knows al about it, but has to leave | 17:13 |
+BartJol | I hope it helps | 17:15 |
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+BartJol | well, another bazaar entry for me | 18:11 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: graham * r12069 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 19:38 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: fixed: Existing ThingyRecords are broken after upgrade | 19:38 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: fixed: ThingyRecords cannot be purged | 19:38 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: graham * r12070 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm): fixed: Only users in 'Content Managers' can create shortcuts | 19:38 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: graham * r12071 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Macro/AdminBar.pm): fixed: Admin bar won't show multiple packages or prototypes with the duplicate titles | 19:38 |
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+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: long time no see | 19:51 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: yes, I guess it's been a few days. | 19:52 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: how's things? | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | things are okay | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | Kathy is doing good in school, and I haven't had to threaten anybody's health today | 19:53 |
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+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: tell Kathy congragts and I guess the kids congrats for not raising their father's blood pressure. | 19:53 |
+perlDreamer | who said anything about the kids? :) | 19:54 |
+perlmonkey2 | hah | 19:54 |
* perlDreamer goes to the gym | 20:05 | |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: graham * r12072 /WebGUI/lib/Spectre/Admin.pm: silence compiler warning | 20:25 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: graham * r12073 /WebGUI/etc/WebGUI.conf.original: add docs for multiple category asset config | 20:25 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: meatbop * r12074 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.17/root_import_gallery-templates_gallery.css.wgpkg: Had to remove some mozilla/firefox specific code that was breaking the gallery under firefox 2.x | 20:46 |
SquOnk | BTW, 7.6.34 just made it into Debian Sid. | 20:56 |
SquOnk | It includes automatic upgrades and automatic indexing of PS/PDF files | 20:56 |
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+perlDreamer | I'm back, for a little bit | 21:43 |
+perlDreamer | nice work, SquOnk. 7.5.35 comes out today | 21:47 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Thanks | 21:50 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: 7.6.35 will be available on thursday for Debian then | 21:50 |
+perlDreamer | SquOnk: Is there any way to find out how many people are using the packages? | 21:52 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: One way is through popcon. It's voluntary though. | 21:52 |
SquOnk | http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=webgui | 21:53 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: If the user installs popcon, every now and then a report of installed packages is sent to the Debian project. | 21:54 |
+perlDreamer | 14 is good | 21:54 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Inst are installs and vote are installs that have kept the package at least through two popcon runs | 21:55 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Recent are upgrades... which means the user is following the package. | 21:55 |
+perlDreamer | so... make that 5 consistent users | 22:00 |
+perlDreamer | none of whom are you. I remember you saying that you don't install popcon | 22:00 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: That's right | 22:01 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Nor my customers (3) who install from my private repo | 22:01 |
+perlDreamer | bbiaw | 22:37 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12075 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Document gallery album view fix. | 22:39 |
SquOnk | BTW... | 22:42 |
SquOnk | ...I haven't been able to get SQL Report's download to work | 22:42 |
SquOnk | So I figured I must be doing something wrong ;-) | 22:43 |
SquOnk | DB Connection works. | 22:43 |
SquOnk | Added the SQL Report. | 22:43 |
SquOnk | Fixed query, mind you. | 22:43 |
SquOnk | Got the results on screen, no problem. | 22:43 |
SquOnk | Once a switch to either CSV or Template download format, results are shown on screen, but the links doesn't work. Click and wait for ever. | 22:44 |
SquOnk | I get nothing in webgui/apache logs. | 22:44 |
SquOnk | Ideas? | 22:46 |
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@preaction | SquOnk: how many results? template and CSV both do all the results, no limit on them | 22:53 |
@preaction | that could take a looooong time | 22:54 |
SquOnk | preaction: About 5 rows | 22:54 |
@preaction | uh... are you in the Group to Download? check the Security tab of the edit screen | 22:54 |
@preaction | otherwise, error log clean? | 22:54 |
SquOnk | preaction: No, nothing in the logs. | 22:55 |
+perlDreamer | how does a demo site work? | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | You know, I think we do something new, something cutting edge | 23:21 |
+perlDreamer | Something that will help us stand out from the pack | 23:21 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Patrick Donelan master * r2895b38 / lib/WGDev/Command/User.pm : | 23:21 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Added User command | 23:21 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Currently has 2 options: | 23:21 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: *) findByPassword - returns a list of all users using the given password | 23:21 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: *) findByDictionary - does a simple brute-force search for all users | 23:21 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: using any password in the specified dictionary file | 23:21 |
+perlDreamer | I say we drop support for IE6 | 23:22 |
+perlDreamer | YouTube is doing it. | 23:22 |
+perlDreamer | Orkut is doing it | 23:22 |
mducharme-work | I don't see a problem there.. everyone I know switched to IE7 ages ago | 23:23 |
mducharme-work | as long as firefox 2.x remains supported :) | 23:23 |
+perlDreamer | there are little snippets from all over the web that you can add to your templates and CSS that say "Hey, IE6 user, join the next millenium" | 23:23 |
@preaction | i do see a problem there, our clients still use IE6 | 23:23 |
+perlDreamer | let them eat cake! | 23:23 |
mducharme-work | you just mean for admining the site and editing content I assume | 23:24 |
mducharme-work | because the actual browsers supported for viewing would depend on the site's style templates... | 23:24 |
+perlDreamer | no, I mean the whole shebang | 23:25 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12076 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/Asset/Event/edit.t: Add WEBGUI_LIVE switch to Event/edit.t | 23:25 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12077 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Event/edit.t: Forward port WEBGUI_LIVE switch addition to Event/edit.t | 23:25 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12078 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix album display in the template for IE6 and FF2 | 23:25 |
mducharme-work | ahh crap! I just deployed itunes to all my staff accidentally | 23:25 |
mducharme-work | perldreamer oh hmm.. I think people should still be able to visit the site with IE6..... | 23:26 |
mducharme-work | for admining and content editing I woudln't see an issue with IE7 being needed as a minimum... | 23:26 |
@Haarg | that would be nice wouldn't it | 23:26 |
+perlDreamer | the problem is that there's now so much CSS and JS in the user view that having an admin only requirement doesn't matter much anymore | 23:27 |
@preaction | never going to happen, IE6 will be supported until the rapture | 23:27 |
+perlDreamer | boss, you're killin' me here | 23:28 |
+perlDreamer | is there no hope? | 23:28 |
mducharme-work | we are stuck on firefox 2.x due to an AJAX bug that still is not fixed in the 3.x versions.... | 23:28 |
+perlDreamer | mducharme-work: browsers don't do AJAX natively. Which toolkit is giving you problems? | 23:29 |
mducharme-work | no toolkit.. there is an issue with our zenworks management portal that novell says is a mozilla problem and they have a ticket open for it | 23:29 |
mducharme-work | and we have an issue with an ajax drop down component that is not part of any toolkit in our cobbled together webapp which doesn't work with 3.x, I assumed it was the same mozilla problem | 23:30 |
mducharme-work | for our internal webapp I could take the time to rewrite it to use YUI or something | 23:31 |
mducharme-work | possibly | 23:31 |
mducharme-work | but that doesn't fix the zenworks heh | 23:31 |
+perlDreamer | no | 23:31 |
+perlDreamer | bummer | 23:31 |
mducharme-work | and the webgui.org site looks awful in firefox 2.x as well | 23:31 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Everyone can download | 23:32 |
+perlDreamer | SquOnk: on a demo site, it works fine? | 23:32 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Well, it's a fresh install we're testing | 23:32 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Ok, I've got it to work. | 23:39 |
+perlDreamer | SquOnk: What's the magic incantation required? | 23:39 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Well, the Download Group was ok and I re-set it to the same value. | 23:41 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: meatbop * r12079 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.17/root_import_gallery-templates_gallery.css.wgpkg: More tweaks to the gallery css for old firefox | 23:41 |
mducharme-work | how long until 7.7x goes stable | 23:49 |
mducharme-work | or does it | 23:49 |
mducharme-work | heh | 23:49 |
@preaction | before the WUC | 23:49 |
mducharme-work | when is the WUC | 23:49 |
+perlDreamer | September 10th | 23:50 |
@preaction | SquOnk: that's a bug, could you please report it? the download group in the SQLReport doesn't have a default value, causing problems | 23:50 |
+perlDreamer | or so | 23:50 |
mducharme-work | ok | 23:50 |
+perlDreamer | NOOOOOO | 23:50 |
SquOnk | preaction: Are you sure. | 23:50 |
@preaction | YESSSSS you got my e-mail | 23:50 |
@preaction | SquOnk: absolutely. in any case there is something there worth looking at | 23:50 |
SquOnk | preaction: Ok. I will report it | 23:51 |
@preaction | thanks | 23:51 |
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+perlDreamer | how about posting it tomorrow? | 23:51 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, should we write a CODE_COP test that checks the all definitions to make sure that users, groups and templates all have default values? | 23:57 |
@preaction | that would probably be a good idea | 23:57 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12080 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/Asset/Event.t: Fix a test leaking version tags. | 23:59 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12081 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Event.t: Forward port test fix. | 23:59 |
+perlDreamer | that fixes the test suite. All tests are passing. | 23:59 |
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+perlDreamer | SquOnk: I have a fix pending for the SQLReport. If you'll file that bug, I can close it and commit. | 00:00 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: All right, give me a couple of minutes while I wake up | 00:01 |
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+perlDreamer | no sweat | 00:01 |
SquOnk | Ok, now that I'm awake, I'll file the bug | 00:01 |
+perlDreamer | Thanks! | 00:05 |
SquOnk | perlbot: 10752 | 00:07 |
SquOnk | s/perlbot/perlDreamer/ | 00:09 |
+perlDreamer | thanks, SquOnk | 00:09 |
+perlDreamer | it's actually a copy/paste error | 00:09 |
+perlDreamer | there is a default assigned, but it's 'text/html' | 00:09 |
+perlDreamer | which is not a valid GUID | 00:09 |
+perlDreamer | but it's enough to mess up the group Form | 00:09 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: That's exactly what I'm looking at now ;-) | 00:10 |
SquOnk | copypasting works when the copy doesn't have bugs ;-) | 00:10 |
+perlDreamer | we're going to need an upgrade sub, too | 00:10 |
+perlDreamer | to fix all the existing SQLReports... | 00:11 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12082 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Document shortcut creation bug fix. | 00:21 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12083 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix a bad default group setting in the SQL Report for download groups. | 00:21 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12084 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Backporting SQL Report download group default fix. | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | SQL Report: fixed | 00:25 |
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+perlDreamer | gallery bug all fixed! | 00:35 |
SquOnk | yay | 00:35 |
+perlDreamer | Firefox 2 users of the world (all 6 of you) rejoice | 00:36 |
mducharme-work | whee! | 00:41 |
+perlDreamer | 7, counting mducharme-work | 00:42 |
mducharme-work | heh | 00:43 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12085 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Backporting final gallery CSS tweaks. | 00:56 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: graham * r12086 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.6.34-7.6.35.pl): fixed #10279: Some columns still latin1 after upgrade to 7.5.40 | 00:56 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: graham * r12087 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: small fix to regex for asset class names | 00:56 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12088 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm): Backport shortcut creation fix. | 00:56 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12089 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/Spectre/Admin.pm: Backport compiler warning fix for Spectre/Admin | 00:56 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12090 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Document AdminBar fix with bug number. | 00:56 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12091 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Macro/AdminBar.pm): Backporting fix for displaying packages and prototypes with duplicate titles in the Admin Bar. | 00:56 |
+perlDreamer | and they're off! | 00:56 |
mducharme-work | 7.6.35 still coming out today? | 00:57 |
mducharme-work | seems rather late in the day to release... | 00:57 |
SquOnk | perlbot: There's a bug in spectre. Cosmetic. | 00:58 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Line 77 of spectre... "for reading" instead of "for writing" | 00:58 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Line 79 "after reading" instead of "after writing" | 00:59 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Another copypaste mishap | 00:59 |
+perlDreamer | about those copy paste errors... | 00:59 |
+perlDreamer | fixed (in both branches) | 01:01 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12092 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/sbin/spectre.pl: Fix some typos in error output in spectre.pl | 01:59 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12093 /WebGUI/sbin/spectre.pl: Forward porting spectre typo fixes. | 01:59 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: graham * r12094 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: small fix to regex for asset class names | 01:59 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: graham * r12095 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.7.16-7.7.17.pl): fixed #10279: Some columns still latin1 after upgrade to 7.5.40 | 01:59 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12096 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/create.sql: Preparing for 7.6.35 release. | 01:59 |
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+perlDreamer | hm, looks like we just swapped an argentinian for an australian | 03:09 |
+perlDreamer | keeping the southern hemisphere balance just right | 03:09 |
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+patspam | we have an argentinian? | 03:41 |
+patspam | 1 Argentinian is worth more than 1 Australian | 03:43 |
+patspam | for the sake of the spanish i18n =p | 03:43 |
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+perlDreamer | what the heck was all that? | 04:26 |
SDuensin_ | Netsplit | 04:26 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12097 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.35-stable: Release 7.6.35-stable | 04:27 |
+perlDreamer | all done | 04:44 |
daviddelikat | perlDreamer: I'm workign on the new status for helpdesk tickets | 05:03 |
+perlDreamer | all right! | 05:03 |
daviddelikat | and I was thinking that the user should put a link | 05:03 |
+perlDreamer | that thing gets better everytime you touch it | 05:03 |
daviddelikat | to something that the ticket is wiating for | 05:03 |
+perlDreamer | oh, yeah. Like the external ticket | 05:03 |
+perlDreamer | or a forum posting | 05:03 |
+perlDreamer | or something | 05:03 |
daviddelikat | basically a URL to something | 05:04 |
daviddelikat | should it be in the comments or history? | 05:04 |
+perlDreamer | history | 05:04 |
daviddelikat | thats what I figured, | 05:04 |
daviddelikat | what do you think this new item should be called? | 05:04 |
+perlDreamer | externalDependencyURL | 05:04 |
daviddelikat | hmmm, not what I meant but... do you think I should add a field to store this dependancy? | 05:05 |
daviddelikat | ( a db field ) | 05:05 |
daviddelikat | I was thinking of a name for the new status... | 05:06 |
daviddelikat | I'm going to internationalize all the statuses | 05:06 |
+perlDreamer | new status = "Waiting on external" | 05:06 |
daviddelikat | so it does not really matter too much | 05:06 |
daviddelikat | because the display can be changed easy enouhg | 05:06 |
+perlDreamer | as to db field, seems odd to a db field for something that is kind of rare | 05:06 |
+perlDreamer | is there another way to store the data? | 05:06 |
daviddelikat | I was just going to put it in the text of the history/comment area | 05:07 |
daviddelikat | so there would be a box in the history area that said something like | 05:07 |
daviddelikat | ticket status change to depend on <a href=...>this item</a> | 05:08 |
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+patspam | am I right in thinking that Rogier did a single-click checkout thing for Shop? | 06:40 |
+perlDreamer | I think that was topsub | 06:41 |
@preaction | is it in the bazaar? | 06:43 |
+patspam | ah ok | 06:43 |
+patspam | couldn't find it | 06:43 |
@preaction | if not, we should try to convince him. we might be able to use it | 06:43 |
+perlDreamer | he did it for knowmad, so diona or william might be better avenues | 06:44 |
+patspam | ok, thanks | 06:44 |
+perlDreamer | how was the exercise, preaction? | 06:44 |
@preaction | good. got to go on my first bike ride in a week, the weather was nice | 06:47 |
+perlDreamer | I'm rebuilding my CentOS VM's tonight | 06:51 |
+perlDreamer | I nuked them by using the epel repo to get git | 06:51 |
+perlDreamer | well, that's what I think happened. I'll know shortly one way or the other | 06:52 |
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+BartJol | perlDreamer: up already? | 11:21 |
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SynQ | ohm | 16:49 |
+BartJol | ah, Synq in zen | 17:02 |
+BartJol | is zen | 17:02 |
daviddelikat | perlDreamer: question | 17:04 |
+BartJol | I think perlDreamer is in dream land or feeding the kids | 17:09 |
+BartJol | SynQ: I also installed my handler on www.bartjol.nl | 17:13 |
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* perlDreamer is awake now | 17:46 | |
+perlDreamer | SynQ: what does one have to do to build the WRE? | 17:46 |
+BartJol | type ./build.sh | 17:47 |
+perlDreamer | I tried that, and it didn't work | 17:47 |
+perlDreamer | it didn't get the source, or the perl modules | 17:47 |
SynQ | hmm | 17:48 |
SynQ | get the source.tgz from plainblack | 17:48 |
+perlDreamer | ah, but SynQ, I want to build with the new perl release candidate | 17:49 |
SynQ | but i'm typing with one hand now | 17:49 |
SynQ | i understood | 17:49 |
+perlDreamer | sorry, man, I will be more patient | 17:49 |
SynQ | best get wrebuld from git | 17:49 |
SynQ | then getsources.sh | 17:50 |
SynQ | and getperlmodules.sh | 17:50 |
SynQ | then ./build.sh --all | 17:50 |
SynQ | if that all works | 17:50 |
SynQ | replace perl source by perl rc source | 17:51 |
SynQ | personal note: when baby then not much nerding in holliday but much babyplay instead | 17:52 |
SynQ | over | 17:52 |
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+BartJol | oh and don't forget to put in huge amounts of karma in http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10755 when (not if, when!) it gets approved | 17:57 |
+BartJol | perlDreamer: you may do the testing :P | 17:58 |
+BartJol | no, I'm not pushing my own code... | 18:00 |
SynQ | i'm off again | 18:02 |
SynQ | later | 18:02 |
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+perlDreamer | BartJol, the post delete behavior is by design | 18:04 |
+perlDreamer | that's why trash-limbo was created, in fact | 18:04 |
+perlDreamer | because delete is hierarchial | 18:04 |
+BartJol | ah, ok | 18:04 |
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+BartJol | well I understand that it is by design, but users cab have the feeling they did not get warned | 18:08 |
+perlDreamer | well, please tell me more about the situation | 18:09 |
+perlDreamer | I have CS with lots of posts in a tree | 18:09 |
+BartJol | yes | 18:09 |
+perlDreamer | I delete one post | 18:10 |
+BartJol | yes | 18:10 |
+perlDreamer | and all the children of my Post disappear, too | 18:10 |
+BartJol | and it's reactions also get deleted | 18:10 |
+BartJol | yes | 18:10 |
+perlDreamer | Do you get a pop-up when the delete happens, like deleting an Asset? | 18:10 |
+BartJol | no | 18:10 |
+BartJol | but it doesn't get deleted right away, but put in the trash | 18:11 |
+perlDreamer | well, "delete" in WebGUI always means trash | 18:11 |
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+BartJol | well you can fix it by making all posts diectly children of the first post\ | 18:12 |
+BartJol | so no reactions to normal posts | 18:12 |
+perlDreamer | but what happens if the Post is restored from the Trash? | 18:13 |
+BartJol | all get back | 18:13 |
+BartJol | and you can't select the child | 18:13 |
+perlDreamer | but now the structure of the reactions has been changed | 18:13 |
+BartJol | yes, there is a lineage gap, I see that problem | 18:13 |
+BartJol | or do you mean after restoring? | 18:14 |
+perlDreamer | after restoring | 18:14 |
+BartJol | well the basic structure isn't changed | 18:14 |
+BartJol | only the status of the post\ | 18:14 |
+BartJol | I wouldn't expect a lineage change | 18:15 |
+BartJol | during restoring | 18:15 |
+perlDreamer | How about if we were to implement the same pop-up as when deleting other assets? | 18:16 |
+perlDreamer | I don't know if it's possible, but I can look | 18:16 |
+BartJol | if you also mention the children | 18:16 |
+perlDreamer | iirc, it's only a label and a link | 18:16 |
+BartJol | iirc? | 18:16 |
+BartJol | not sure what it says for assets | 18:17 |
+perlDreamer | If I Recall Correctly | 18:18 |
+BartJol | merci | 18:18 |
+BartJol | it refers only to the direct content | 18:18 |
+perlDreamer | that can (and should be) fixed | 18:18 |
+BartJol | yeah | 18:18 |
+perlDreamer | well, as long as you don't mind changing the i18n... :) | 18:24 |
+BartJol | so it is a bug, but just slightly different from what I posted | 18:24 |
+BartJol | I'll survive | 18:24 |
+perlDreamer | Okay :) | 18:24 |
+BartJol | I haven't seen those huge amounts of i18n yet | 18:25 |
+perlDreamer | It's doing the right thing for WebGUI, we just need to tell people about it | 18:25 |
+perlDreamer | you won't until tomorrow | 18:25 |
+BartJol | well I have seen huge amounts of it | 18:25 |
+BartJol | indeed | 18:25 |
+BartJol | and I got a dinner invitation, that's convenient | 18:26 |
+BartJol | have you seen my tremendous code in action? | 18:26 |
+perlDreamer | no, not yet | 18:26 |
+BartJol | I keep bragging anout it, until JT wrecks my confidence :) | 18:27 |
* perlDreamer is buried in bugs | 18:27 | |
+BartJol | poor you | 18:27 |
+BartJol | I installed it for the world to see | 18:27 |
+BartJol | http://www.bartjol.nl/en/home/wuc-2009-internationaliszation | 18:28 |
+perlDreamer | it works well | 18:31 |
+BartJol | aah I may have found another bug | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | I was right. Currently we just provide a label, and a URL. There's no way to build a pop-up into that | 18:32 |
+BartJol | if you restore a post in the cs the number of replies in the overview isn't updated | 18:32 |
+BartJol | mmm | 18:32 |
+perlDreamer | I thought that Martin fixed that | 18:33 |
+BartJol | well, it can be caching | 18:33 |
+BartJol | but I flushed my server cache | 18:33 |
+perlDreamer | you can check the db | 18:33 |
+perlDreamer | BartJol: for deleting a Post, I suggest an RFE to add a new template variable which shows the pop-up | 18:34 |
+perlDreamer | we can change the default templates to use it | 18:34 |
+BartJol | ok | 18:35 |
+perlDreamer | but those with custom templates will have change things themselves | 18:35 |
+perlDreamer | and the RFE gives JT a chance to weigh in | 18:35 |
+BartJol | nope replies still zero | 18:35 |
+BartJol | in the db | 18:35 |
+perlDreamer | that's a bug | 18:35 |
+BartJol | I know | 18:36 |
+perlDreamer | I'm going to reopen your other bug, and then close it with a fix | 18:36 |
+perlDreamer | (for the deleting children) | 18:36 |
daviddelikat | gotta check out woot: http://www.woot.com/ | 18:36 |
+BartJol | sorry for the extra bug | 18:36 |
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+perlDreamer | not a problem, BartJol, just fix it and post the patch :) | 18:36 |
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+BartJol | ok | 18:39 |
+BartJol | do I have to fix that? | 18:39 |
+BartJol | well, I'm becoming a code master lately ;) | 18:39 |
+perlDreamer | Have to, no. Welcome to, always. | 18:39 |
+BartJol | well | 18:39 |
+perlDreamer | as long as you don't get in trouble with the boss | 18:39 |
+BartJol | well bugfixing one of our product shouldn't harm | 18:40 |
+perlDreamer | oh, I remember. Martin did cut and paste fixes | 18:42 |
+perlDreamer | not purge/restore | 18:42 |
+BartJol | ah | 18:42 |
+perlDreamer | this may not be possible to do without big API changes | 18:43 |
+perlDreamer | but, one bug fix at a time | 18:43 |
+BartJol | wait till my code gets implemented, that will create even more | 18:43 |
daviddelikat | perlDreamer: I've added the new status for helpdesk tickets, is this new status expected to DO anything? | 18:43 |
+perlDreamer | we want it so that we can easily identify and prioritize bugs | 18:44 |
+perlDreamer | for example, bugs in 7.6 had a very high priority the last week | 18:44 |
+perlDreamer | the only way to find them was to build a spreadsheet by hand | 18:44 |
daviddelikat | so mostly for reporting | 18:44 |
+perlDreamer | so, the usage for the new status is sorting (and maybe filtering) | 18:44 |
daviddelikat | as far as i can tell its done | 18:45 |
daviddelikat | wanna see? | 18:45 |
+perlDreamer | Yes! | 18:45 |
daviddelikat | http://delikat.homeip.net:8080/ | 18:46 |
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+perlDreamer | This is very good. | 18:48 |
+perlDreamer | with this, and the new metadata, managing tickets will be much easier | 18:48 |
daviddelikat | it really is no big deal, just change a line in HelpDesk.pm and add an entry in the language file | 18:49 |
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+BartJol | well, I better leave the restore bug for a more relaxed and wakefull moment | 18:51 |
+BartJol | mmm and after anther reply it does get updated | 18:56 |
+BartJol | mmm, but it would mean that you have to search the lineage for a Thread asset, instanciate that, and run sumReplies | 19:02 |
+BartJol | are there more assets that might suffer that problem... mmm, must dive into that | 19:03 |
* cap10morgan is officially in love with git(hub) | 19:14 | |
+BartJol | aah, there is a method for that | 19:15 |
mducharme-work | hmm does the latest wre need the new module versions listed in the gotchas | 19:16 |
mducharme-work | or does it include new enough modules already | 19:16 |
+perlDreamer | mducharme-work: it will need new modules | 19:17 |
+perlDreamer | always safest to run testEnvironment.pl and also check the gotchas | 19:18 |
mducharme-work | I'm referring to the DBI and DBD-mysql requirement in the latest 7.6.35 released yesterday | 19:18 |
+perlDreamer | testEnviroment.pl only specifies minimum versions. | 19:19 |
+perlDreamer | It doesn't keep track of buggy versions that would meet the minimum requirements | 19:19 |
+perlDreamer | so if you use those version of DBD/DBI, you should upgrade | 19:19 |
+perlDreamer | (whether you use WebGUI or not) | 19:19 |
mducharme-work | I don't know what I use, whatever comes with the latest wre | 19:19 |
mducharme-work | heh | 19:19 |
+perlDreamer | in that case, you're fine | 19:20 |
mducharme-work | I'm upgrading them because I don't know what versions I have | 19:20 |
mducharme-work | oh | 19:20 |
+perlDreamer | since all releases are tested against the latest WRE | 19:20 |
+perlDreamer | but the WRE may not include all the modules, or the correct versions | 19:20 |
mducharme-work | ok, well now I'm upgrading beyond the latest WRE I guess lol | 19:20 |
+BartJol | darn it actually looks like I solved a bug | 19:21 |
+perlDreamer | good work, bartjol | 19:21 |
mducharme-work | hrm there is no module called DBD-mysql | 19:22 |
+BartJol | yes, it does the reply | 19:22 |
+BartJol | count | 19:22 |
mducharme-work | is it Bundle::DBD::mysql? | 19:22 |
mducharme-work | make test returned bad | 19:23 |
mducharme-work | aurgh | 19:23 |
+BartJol | posted my patch | 19:26 |
mducharme-work | No pidFile specified in spectre.conf | 19:28 |
mducharme-work | uh | 19:28 |
mducharme-work | how do I specify a pidfile? | 19:28 |
+perlDreamer | it's in the gotchas ;) | 19:28 |
+perlDreamer | also, in etc/spectre.conf.orig | 19:28 |
mducharme-work | I read the gotchas, it just said I'd need to specify a pidfile without telling me how | 19:28 |
+perlDreamer | in .35 | 19:28 |
mducharme-work | ahh | 19:28 |
+perlDreamer | ? | 19:28 |
mducharme-work | oops | 19:29 |
mducharme-work | it was there | 19:29 |
+perlDreamer | don't feel too bad, the instructions weren't there in .34 | 19:30 |
+perlDreamer | SynQ mentioned that, and it was fixed in .35 | 19:30 |
mducharme-work | ahh! | 19:30 |
mducharme-work | the instructions also say I'll have to kill spectre | 19:31 |
+perlDreamer | yes, because the pidfile doesn't exist yet | 19:31 |
mducharme-work | I assume since I stopped everything except mysql before doing the upgrade, I won't need to do that | 19:31 |
mducharme-work | I always do that automatically | 19:31 |
mducharme-work | heh | 19:31 |
+perlDreamer | that's sounds right | 19:31 |
+BartJol | well, I'm gonna celebrate my first bugfix with a beer, I suppose | 19:33 |
+BartJol | tomorrow I'll see whether it was approved | 19:34 |
+perlDreamer | right fix, wrong place :) | 19:34 |
+perlDreamer | we try not to add special case code in Asset*.pm | 19:35 |
+perlDreamer | but we'll find a good place for the patch | 19:35 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, Haarg: ping | 19:35 |
@preaction | sup fool | 19:35 |
@Haarg | ? | 19:35 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/10758 | 19:35 |
mducharme-work | ahh crap colin missed something | 19:35 |
+perlDreamer | Restoring a Post from Trash doesn't update the replies count | 19:36 |
mducharme-work | the popup help text for ldap proxy password is wrong | 19:36 |
mducharme-work | and the word "attribute" is misspelled in the authentication attribute help popup text | 19:36 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: I would say that code belongs in publish | 19:36 |
@preaction | mducharme-work: update the bugs or post new ones please | 19:36 |
+BartJol | perlDreamer: yeah, well to bad | 19:36 |
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mducharme-work | I don't know if there are bugs | 19:37 |
+perlDreamer | they are bugs | 19:38 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12099 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset.pm): Improve the delete asset i18n message to mention children. | 19:38 |
mducharme-work | no I mean, is there like a bug number | 19:38 |
mducharme-work | how do I know what to update | 19:38 |
mducharme-work | heh | 19:38 |
+perlDreamer | no, no posted bugs for this. You'll need to post new ones. | 19:39 |
mducharme-work | dammit | 19:39 |
mducharme-work | heh | 19:39 |
mducharme-work | there, posted | 19:43 |
mducharme-work | that was more painless than I thought it would be | 19:48 |
+perlDreamer | the upgrade, or the bug posting? | 19:48 |
mducharme-work | the bug posting | 19:49 |
mducharme-work | I was expecting some complicated bugzilla setup | 19:49 |
mducharme-work | where I"d have to fill out umpteen forms and register for a bugzilla account | 19:49 |
mducharme-work | lol | 19:49 |
mducharme-work | I'm almost shocked that you're using the help desk module for that | 19:57 |
+perlDreamer | webgui.org is the primary customer for the helpdesk | 19:58 |
+perlDreamer | thanks to daviddelikat's hard work, it is coming right along | 19:58 |
mducharme-work | I mean it's nice from a UI perspective, made things easier for me | 19:59 |
mducharme-work | but don't bug tracking things like bugzilla support integration directly with CVS/SVN repos? | 19:59 |
mducharme-work | which you'd lose out on using the helpdesk for bug tracking | 19:59 |
+perlDreamer | I know that Trac does that, but I don't think bugzilla does. | 19:59 |
mducharme-work | ahh ok | 20:00 |
@preaction | but what good is that if the UI sucks? if users can't report bugs, why do you need a bug tracker? | 20:00 |
mducharme-work | heh | 20:00 |
@preaction | Trac is more of a project management system, it's what I'd like our PMS to be | 20:00 |
mducharme-work | does that mean you'd put a CVS/SVN server directly in webgui? | 20:01 |
+perlDreamer | no, just a way to talk to one | 20:01 |
@preaction | and more likely git | 20:02 |
@preaction | well, to start at least | 20:02 |
mducharme-work | ahh ok | 20:02 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12100 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset.pm: Fix an i18n typo. | 20:08 |
mducharme-work | boy colin sure does a lot of bug fixes | 20:10 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, he's a very busy gut | 20:10 |
+perlDreamer | guy | 20:10 |
mducharme-work | practically every source commit is his it seems | 20:10 |
+perlDreamer | well, as you may have noticed, he also has to fix a lot of bugs that he creates | 20:11 |
+perlDreamer | like for that LDAP one | 20:11 |
mducharme-work | ahh | 20:11 |
+perlDreamer | so his "hit rate" is probably more like in the 60's | 20:11 |
mducharme-work | ok | 20:11 |
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+perlDreamer | dreamersgirl: still raining on and off | 20:16 |
dreamersgirl | i know. :( | 20:17 |
* perlDreamer and dreamersgirl and trainDreamer and animatedDreams were supposed to go to an outdoor concert today | 20:20 | |
+perlDreamer | but it's raining in oregon :( | 20:20 |
mducharme-work | I assume those are not 4 unrelated people who just all happen to have "dream" in their nick | 20:22 |
mducharme-work | because that would be too much of a coincidence :) | 20:23 |
+perlDreamer | no, those would be my wife and boys | 20:23 |
mducharme-work | ahh | 20:23 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12101 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): Allow autocommit workflows to do apply (save & re-edit). | 20:38 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12102 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/AuthLDAP.pm): Fix two LDAP typos related to the recent relabeling. | 20:53 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12103 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/AuthLDAP.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Backporting LDAP i18n fixes. | 20:53 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12104 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Backporting Asset delete i18n message improvement. | 20:53 |
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+perlDreamer | ekennedy, thanks again for bug fixing on Monday and Tuesday | 21:59 |
* perlDreamer will be gone for a while | 22:20 | |
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SquOnk | Greetings | 22:24 |
SquOnk | 7.6.35 packages should hit Debian Sid this evening (VET) | 22:24 |
SquOnk | It includes automatic upgrades and a revamped init script. | 22:24 |
SquOnk | I will not be uploading packages for at least two or three weeks. That way, the package in Sid will be promoted to Squeezy on account of being 10-days old. | 22:27 |
SquOnk | One thing I want the next release to have is the proper execution of test, no matter _where_ one invokes testCodebase | 22:36 |
SquOnk | BTW, I get a bunch of "Called UNIVERSAL::can() as a function, not a method at /usr/share/perl5/DateTime/TimeZone.pm line 77" every time I run tests. | 22:38 |
SquOnk | (It's a bug in DateTime::TimeZone, mind you, not WebGUI's :-) | 22:38 |
SquOnk | What's the rationale behind running testCodebase within $WEBGUI/bin instead of anyplace? | 22:40 |
@Haarg | probably more of an oversight than anything | 22:44 |
SquOnk | Haarg: :-) | 22:44 |
@Haarg | ideally all the scripts would be runnable from anywhere but i know that isn't always the case | 22:44 |
SquOnk | Haarg: Well, I have local patches that allow testCodebase to be run from anyplace. | 22:44 |
@Haarg | as for the UNIVERSAL::can thing, it's a UNIVERSAL::can bug. | 22:44 |
SquOnk | Haarg: I basically set up $webguiRoot exactly like the rest of the scripts, and then just chdir into it at the beginning, plus replacing t instead of ../t | 22:45 |
@Haarg | do you know what version of UNIVERSAL::can you are using? | 22:45 |
SquOnk | Haarg: 1.12 | 22:46 |
@Haarg | yeah, newer versions fix that i believe | 22:47 |
SquOnk | Great, so that's not an issue | 22:47 |
@Haarg | yeah, and they are only warnings | 22:47 |
SquOnk | Haarg: And those tests are supposed to pass on a fresh install, right? | 22:48 |
@Haarg | yes | 22:48 |
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@preaction | would a series of articles entitles "What Happens When I Click...?" be useful or interesting to any of you? | 00:25 |
@preaction | so like "What happens when I click 'Save' on an asset?". Well, Virginia, clicking Save calls www_editSave on your asset. WebGUI creates a new revision and then calles processPropertiesFromFormPost which fills that new revision with the data you entered. ... etc... | 00:27 |
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mducharme-work | not to me | 00:48 |
mducharme-work | heh | 00:48 |
mducharme-work | I don't care what save does underneath as long as it works ;) | 00:48 |
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Mech422 | Hi all | 01:02 |
Mech422 | anyone know of any funkinesses with user.isVisitor ? | 01:02 |
Mech422 | my login template always seems to think your an anonymous vistitor... http://webgui.pastebin.com/m481fd968 | 01:03 |
+perlDreamer | Mech422! | 01:08 |
+perlDreamer | howdy | 01:08 |
Mech422 | Hey pd :-) How goes ? | 01:08 |
+perlDreamer | head above water | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | somedays, that's all you can ask for | 01:10 |
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Mech422 | Heh - most important day of the year is coming up... | 01:13 |
Mech422 | back to school day :-) | 01:13 |
+perlDreamer | 3 weeks, 5 days, 18 hours | 01:13 |
Mech422 | LOL | 01:13 |
Mech422 | I got like 10 days :-) | 01:13 |
+perlDreamer | y'all start early | 01:14 |
Mech422 | yeah - they get out early too | 01:14 |
Mech422 | could you look at the first conditional in that paste, an tell me if I did anything stupid ? it displays 'user.isVisitor is TRUE' even after I login as admin ? | 01:16 |
+perlDreamer | me smells a bug, let me check | 01:16 |
Mech422 | ahh...I thought it might be me that smelled :-P | 01:16 |
+perlDreamer | which version? | 01:17 |
Mech422 | gahh...Um.. lemme go look | 01:18 |
+perlDreamer | look in the source of any page, near the top | 01:18 |
+perlDreamer | it's there | 01:18 |
Mech422 | its pretty recent - right after last release I belive - ahh - checking | 01:18 |
Mech422 | 7.7.9 | 01:19 |
Mech422 | thats slick - I'll have to remember thats there | 01:19 |
+perlDreamer | it's very handy sometimes | 01:19 |
+perlDreamer | I think if one was careful, you could use it to find all the public webgui sites in the world | 01:20 |
nuba | i used to hide it in my setups, for security purposes | 01:22 |
nuba | likewise for the server signature (the one mentioning apache version, OS, loaded modules, etc) | 01:22 |
nuba | same with opensshd's handshake too | 01:23 |
nuba | :) | 01:23 |
+perlDreamer | Mech422, can you show me the template in action, either on your site or a demo site? | 01:24 |
+perlDreamer | the code looks good, and it's working on a quick check that I have setup on a dev box | 01:24 |
Mech422 | what bugs me is the WG default stuff works - click on 'conferences' after you login and it sasy 'welcom admin' | 01:25 |
Mech422 | its just my front page one thats borked | 01:25 |
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Mech422 | Hmm - does setting the cache timeout to 0 disable caching of an asset ? | 01:50 |
+perlDreamer | For the snippet, any value less than 10 seconds disables caching | 01:51 |
Mech422 | ahh - very cool | 01:51 |
+perlDreamer | admin mode will disable caching as well | 01:53 |
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Mech422 | pd: really? I saw that issue even with the left 'admin strip' open ? | 01:54 |
+perlDreamer | I just checked, and I'm not seeing it. | 01:57 |
+perlDreamer | Of course, now, you've disabled caching | 01:57 |
Mech422 | lol - sorry | 01:57 |
SquOnk | Do you think #10762 (just filed) has a chance to make it for 7.6.36? | 02:20 |
+perlDreamer | no | 02:21 |
+perlDreamer | well, I don't know | 02:21 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: You read too fast... | 02:21 |
+perlDreamer | I did, let me read more slowly | 02:22 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: And look at the patch, and test it... | 02:22 |
+perlDreamer | well, I say no because there won't be a 7.6.36 | 02:22 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Oh | 02:23 |
+perlDreamer | normally I don't shoot down ideas so quickly ;) | 02:23 |
SquOnk | 7.6.35 was <g> supposed to be the last one of the series | 02:24 |
mducharme | the next release will be 7.7 stable? | 02:24 |
+perlDreamer | re the patch: anything in the core would have to be default setup specific, so /data/WebGUI instead of /usr/share/webgui | 02:24 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: I have no problem with /data/WebGUI | 02:25 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: My patch is because I run WebGUI in /usr/share. Just put /data/WebGUI there. In fact, that how the other scripts work too. | 02:25 |
+perlDreamer | okay | 02:25 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: (And the Debian patch would only need to change that one line ;-) | 02:26 |
+perlDreamer | what's the debian rule about non-official releases? | 02:26 |
+perlDreamer | if there was a 7.5.35-1? | 02:26 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: I can have 7.6.35-2 with my own patch. | 02:26 |
+perlDreamer | excellent | 02:27 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: And that's what I will have to do if 7.6.36 doesn't see the light. | 02:27 |
+perlDreamer | I may (on my own) put out some post-stable releases of 7.5.35 with no database or package changes | 02:27 |
+perlDreamer | so 35-1, 35-2 and so on | 02:27 |
+perlDreamer | backporting what I can when I have spare time | 02:27 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: That would work. | 02:27 |
+perlDreamer | we can even keep it in WebGUI SVN | 02:28 |
+perlDreamer | so that other could help, too | 02:28 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: As I've said before today, I want to upload a definitive version (be it 7.5.35, 36 or 35 with this patch) so that it can move from Sid to Squeezy (testing). | 02:28 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: That way, we will be sure that there's a fairly recent version of WebGUI in testing and focus on upgradind to 7.7 | 02:29 |
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SquOnk | perlDreamer: See, a package has to spend at least 10 days in Sid in order to be promoted to testing. The WebGUI development process, being as fast and focused as it is, releases every week so packages don't have a chance to be promoted. | 02:29 |
+perlDreamer | you've gotta be kidding | 02:30 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: ...because I upgrade/upload as soon as you release. | 02:30 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: No, it's like that. | 02:30 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: 10 days in Sid without RC bugs, you get promoted. | 02:30 |
+perlDreamer | okay. I've never heard that we release too quickly before :) | 02:30 |
+perlDreamer | can I give you an answer tomorrow? | 02:31 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Sure. | 02:31 |
+perlDreamer | I like the concept of not having hardcoded paths in there, but I'd rather do it the way that WebGUI::Test does it | 02:32 |
+perlDreamer | which is to determine the root directory based on the config file | 02:32 |
+perlDreamer | then there would be no need for a switch or extra variable | 02:32 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Of course | 02:32 |
mducharme | sid? squeezy? | 02:32 |
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+perlDreamer | are you okay with that approach? | 02:32 |
+perlDreamer | mducharme: debian releases are named after Toy Story characters, iirc | 02:33 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Fine with me as long as: testCodebase ends up being runnable anywhere and there's only one place where I need to change the webguiRoot :-) | 02:33 |
mducharme | ahh | 02:33 |
+perlDreamer | it would autodetect it from the config file that is specified to be used, SquOnk | 02:33 |
+perlDreamer | either via existing command line, or from the environment variable | 02:34 |
+perlDreamer | so no changes at all for debian/core | 02:34 |
mducharme | I think it would be nice if webgui releases were fewer and farther between... | 02:35 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Hopefully. | 02:35 |
* perlDreamer needs to start working on dinner. catch you all later | 02:35 | |
mducharme | most software companies will release updates every few months or so | 02:35 |
Mech422 | Oh ! Debian goodness ? cool :-) | 02:36 |
SquOnk | Mech422: 7.5.35 packages will make Sid this evening. | 02:37 |
Mech422 | SquOnk: I've got wG running on stable - amd64 | 02:38 |
SquOnk | Mech422: (They work in Lenny if you install libjs-yui from Sid manually) | 02:38 |
SquOnk | Mech422: Good to hear that. Please post bugs if you find them! | 02:38 |
Mech422 | Ahh cool - no bugs so far - I just haxor'd the build script - didn't use packages | 02:38 |
SquOnk | Mech422: What do you mean? | 02:38 |
SquOnk | Mech422: Oh, I see. | 02:39 |
Mech422 | I took the default WRE build script and made it build on lenny amd64 | 02:39 |
SquOnk | Mech422: Well, if you point to Sid and pin webgui, you can just aptitude install webgui | 02:39 |
Mech422 | cool | 02:39 |
Mech422 | Dinner time... | 02:40 |
Mech422 | Later all :-) | 02:40 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12105 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): let users know that they may see messages about missing templates during an upgrade. | 02:41 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: FWIW, apart from that patch, the other thing I'm going to include in 7.6.36 or 7.6.35-2 is a helper script that downloads any given i18n and builds a proper Debian package for it ;-) | 02:42 |
SquOnk | dh-webgui-i18n --lang Spanish | 02:43 |
SquOnk | ...will give you webgui-i18n-spanish, you install that and be merry. | 02:43 |
mducharme | SquOnk: it's just regular webgui, not the wre, you're putting on debian, correct? | 02:45 |
SquOnk | mducharme: Exactly | 02:45 |
SquOnk | mducharme: Most of the things the WRE does will be done the Debian way | 02:46 |
mducharme | ahh | 02:46 |
SquOnk | mducharme: Things like upgrades will be handled automatically vía dist-upgrade | 02:46 |
mducharme | so you will have the equivalent of a modproxy? | 02:46 |
SquOnk | mducharme: Things like database creation (work in progress) will be done during install through debconf/dbconfig, and can be changed afterwards with dpkg-reconfigure | 02:47 |
SquOnk | mducharme: Also, integration with other tools will be as easy as possible. | 02:47 |
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SquOnk | mducharme: For instance, the current package uses ghostscript to get ps/pdf to text, which is way faster than using xpdf | 02:48 |
mducharme | right but if I'm not mistaken, the specific setup of apache with the two instances in the WRE is done to boost the performance of webgui | 02:48 |
mducharme | I remember webgui being a lot slower back before the WRE | 02:48 |
SquOnk | mducharme: Ah, Debian's webgui won't do that because one cannot force a specific configuration for other packages. | 02:49 |
SquOnk | mducharme: I will provide sample config files, though. | 02:49 |
mducharme | right, I'd just be concerned that that would give people the impression that webgui is slow... | 02:49 |
SquOnk | mducharme: Not if they read README.Debian, as every decent Debian user does :-) | 02:50 |
mducharme | lol | 02:50 |
mducharme | people actually read readme files? | 02:50 |
mducharme | really? | 02:50 |
SquOnk | mducharme: Besides, during installation there will be an explicit notice through debconf that will direct users to read what they need to read. | 02:50 |
mducharme | what planet do they live on? | 02:50 |
mducharme | hehe | 02:50 |
SquOnk | See you guys tomorrow... | 02:51 |
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+patspam | anyone know a good website for finding/comparing ISPs in the US? | 02:52 |
+patspam | or just ISP recommendations in general? | 02:52 |
+patspam | or is it not such a major issue in the US? here in Aus where we have crap speeds and download limits it makes a big difference.. | 02:53 |
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+perlDreamer | patspam, I'd ask JT. He seems to know all the good hosters. | 07:16 |
+perlDreamer | hang on, isn't there a compare stuff network for that? | 07:21 |
+perlDreamer | nope | 07:22 |
+perlDreamer | hey, tavisto! | 07:22 |
@tavisto | yo | 07:22 |
@tavisto | ask JT what? | 07:22 |
+perlDreamer | how come there isn't a comparehoster.com Matrix site? | 07:23 |
+perlDreamer | hostermatrix.com | 07:23 |
@tavisto | he and I are in Indy right now doing a hackathon for cmsmatrix | 07:23 |
@tavisto | we thought about it | 07:23 |
+perlDreamer | hackathon for cmsmatrix? | 07:23 |
@tavisto | but it didn't get priority over TGC | 07:23 |
+perlDreamer | sounds fun :) | 07:23 |
@tavisto | yeah we got crap to fix | 07:23 |
+perlDreamer | need help? | 07:23 |
@tavisto | search is basically junk and we're changing stuff around | 07:23 |
@tavisto | maybe, I can ask JT | 07:24 |
@tavisto | if you want in, we need a key part fixed | 07:24 |
@tavisto | the search currently returns all results and puts checkboxes next to them | 07:24 |
+perlDreamer | which one? | 07:24 |
+perlDreamer | right | 07:24 |
@tavisto | instead of that... it needs to only return | 07:24 |
@tavisto | the products that match | 07:25 |
+perlDreamer | those that would have been checked | 07:25 |
@tavisto | right now JT is sorting the list and converting the 1000+ products so that the "system requirements" fields are very generic. Previously there were about 200 options for each field in that group | 07:25 |
+perlDreamer | ouch | 07:25 |
@tavisto | BTW, there is also another site that does a good job of doing a hosting matrix type site | 07:25 |
+perlDreamer | what is it? | 07:26 |
@tavisto | I dont remember the name of it offhand but they would be tough to beat. We may still try once TGC providing us with millions in monthly revenue :) | 07:26 |
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+perlDreamer | then you can hire me! | 07:26 |
@tavisto | yeppers | 07:26 |
+perlDreamer | wait a second... | 07:26 |
+patspam | can you guys have that ispmatrix thing up and running before I move to the states at the end of the month? | 07:27 |
@tavisto | I'm sure we COULD if enough money was involved :) | 07:27 |
@tavisto | you're moving to the US? Where? | 07:27 |
+patspam | long island, NY | 07:27 |
@tavisto | wow! Work visa? | 07:27 |
+patspam | helen (my gf) is starting a ph.d at SUNY (stony brook) | 07:28 |
@tavisto | sweet!! | 07:28 |
+patspam | yeah really excited! | 07:28 |
@tavisto | Good to see the US continues to steal good talent from down under | 07:28 |
+patspam | heh, the brain drain | 07:28 |
@tavisto | the usa says NOM NOM NOM NOM | 07:28 |
+patspam | still sorting the visas, luckily i'll be going back and forth a fair bit for work in the first 12 months so i can just use the 3 month via waiver | 07:28 |
@tavisto | perldreamer, you up to the challenge or what? | 07:28 |
@tavisto | that's great man.. will be nice to have you closer | 07:29 |
+patspam | yeah, and in the same time zone! really looking forward to that | 07:29 |
+patspam | what broadband ISPs do you use tav? | 07:30 |
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+perlDreamer | tavisto, don't bother me, I'm hacking on the Matrix search for JT | 07:31 |
@tavisto | grr | 07:31 |
+perlDreamer | :) | 07:32 |
+perlDreamer | =) | 07:32 |
@tavisto | ;) | 07:32 |
+perlDreamer | "Things that make you go, grrrr" | 07:32 |
@tavisto | lol and one minor part to that hack is that if someone's search returns more than 10 products (and they try to compare) the message that pops up says they are trying to compare too many. That already exists.. We just need to mod that message and say that the maximum number of products to compare is 10 | 07:33 |
@tavisto | that's probably one of those changes that provides instant gratification for you since it's an easy change. Just thought I would let you know. You and JT can race to get the easy task | 07:34 |
+perlDreamer | I think I hear my mother calling me... | 07:40 |
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@tavisto | wuss | 07:49 |
+perlDreamer | dude, the search button doesn't even work in 7.7 | 07:53 |
@tavisto | seriously? | 07:57 |
+perlDreamer | totally, unfortunately | 07:57 |
@tavisto | The only thing I've heard about it was the Opera issue | 07:57 |
@tavisto | son of ah bee | 07:58 |
+perlDreamer | well, that was in 7.6 | 07:58 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12106 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the search button in the view template. | 08:23 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12107 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix bad Matrix i18n when selecting no listings and hitting compare. | 08:23 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto: ping | 08:39 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12108 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm): | 09:08 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: When the matrix displays search results, only show those that match. Previously, | 09:08 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: it displayed all the products, with those that matched having checked boxes. | 09:08 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12109 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt sbin/testCodebase.pl): | 09:38 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Update testCodebase.pl to extract the WebGUI root directory from the absolute | 09:38 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: path to a config file, just like a standalone test would. | 09:38 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12110 /WebGUI/ (8 files in 5 dirs): i18n several items in the Matrix, and Matrix listing. | 10:25 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12111 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/ (18 files): Remove 7.6 upgrade scripts and packages from 7.7 | 10:25 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12112 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/ (4 files): Prune more 7.6 packages | 10:25 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12113 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/ (9 files): Another batch of 7.6 pruning from 7.7. Leaving primary shunt path, 7.6.14-7.7.0 | 10:51 |
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+perlDreamer | Good morning, everybody! | 18:10 |
mducharme-work | morning perlDreamer | 18:15 |
mducharme-work | you seem chipper today | 18:15 |
+perlDreamer | It's 7.7 release day | 18:15 |
+perlDreamer | If I'm not chipper, then I'm in deep trouble | 18:15 |
mducharme-work | you mean 7.7 stable??? | 18:16 |
+perlDreamer | that's the plan | 18:16 |
mducharme-work | yay! | 18:16 |
mducharme-work | I thought that was like a month away | 18:20 |
@steveo_aa | That's what I had heard as well. | 18:21 |
@Haarg | yay new router http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3450/routerg.jpg | 18:22 |
+perlDreamer | New router for you Haarg? | 18:23 |
@Haarg | yeah | 18:23 |
+perlDreamer | awesome | 18:23 |
mducharme-work | why does your router have USB ports? | 18:23 |
@Haarg | why not? | 18:23 |
mducharme-work | what is the purpose I mean? | 18:23 |
+perlDreamer | so it can mount and share drives as network storage? | 18:23 |
@Haarg | it's just an embedded pc. i don't plan to use them for anything. | 18:23 |
mducharme-work | it's like a soekris box? | 18:24 |
@Haarg | similar | 18:24 |
@Haarg | http://www.pcengines.ch/alix2d3.htm | 18:24 |
@Haarg | still waiting for the cf card | 18:25 |
@Haarg | i've been using an old pc, but it's loud, uses too much power, and i don't really trust it to be very reliable. | 18:25 |
mducharme-work | cf? | 18:25 |
mducharme-work | ahh compact flash | 18:25 |
@Haarg | and it is using an old 400mb hard drive | 18:25 |
mducharme-work | sorry I have music on the brain, been studying for university, cf is an abbreviation for cantus firmus | 18:25 |
@Haarg | so you can imagine that won't last | 18:26 |
mducharme-work | yeah I prefer using solid state stuff wherever it makes sense.. | 18:26 |
@Haarg | the pc i've been using has a fan on the cpu that doesn't work anymore, so it just has to make do with the heatsink. | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | that's one way to quiet it down | 18:31 |
@Haarg | yeah | 18:32 |
@Haarg | it grinded a lot, then would get quiet. so i opened it to check and it turned out it was just stopping. | 18:32 |
+perlDreamer | any opinions on what the default privacy field settings should be for new profile fields? | 18:32 |
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mducharme-work | is it possible to have a profile field that the user themselves cannot modify, that is only modifiable by admin? | 18:33 |
ryuu_ro_ | perlDreamer: I would say private | 18:34 |
+perlDreamer | mducharme-work: yes. Just set it to not visible, not editable | 18:34 |
mducharme-work | I would say private as well.... | 18:34 |
mducharme-work | ok | 18:34 |
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mducharme-work | I wasn't sure if setting it not editable would prevent it from being edited by admin as well... | 18:37 |
+perlDreamer | no, not editable is for the user | 18:47 |
+perlDreamer | the only way that field will be editable is via the User Admin Console screen | 18:47 |
mducharme-work | heh it's funny it was just announced a week ago that the stable 7.7 was delayed.. | 18:55 |
+perlDreamer | it was supposed to be a while ago | 18:57 |
+perlDreamer | however, as Damian Conway has said, the process of enbugging has outstripped the process of debugging | 18:58 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12114 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Set a default privacy value in the radio list when creating new profile fields. | 18:58 |
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mducharme-work | is there any kind of migration tool to migrate an existing news system based on the collaboration system to the story manager? | 19:11 |
+perlDreamer | no | 19:11 |
mducharme-work | damn | 19:11 |
mducharme-work | ok | 19:11 |
mducharme-work | heh | 19:11 |
+perlDreamer | and it appears my "7.7 is stable" comment is premature | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | too many open bugs as of yet | 19:15 |
mducharme-work | oh | 19:16 |
mducharme-work | :( | 19:21 |
mducharme-work | do you have to fix all the bugs before release? | 19:24 |
+perlDreamer | as many as possible :) | 19:24 |
mducharme-work | or will you just label the help desk wobject "help desk (beta)" | 19:25 |
mducharme-work | stuff like that | 19:25 |
@preaction | help desk isn't in the core of WebGUI | 19:25 |
+perlDreamer | for 7.7 stable, all we really need to fix are core bug | 19:25 |
mducharme-work | ahh ok so the issues to do with the help desk then are not holding up the stable | 19:25 |
+perlDreamer | no webgui.org/plainblack bugs | 19:26 |
+perlDreamer | right | 19:26 |
mducharme-work | i see some of the bugs are for story manager too, I imagine most of those will need to be fixed prior to release | 19:26 |
mducharme-work | because that's part of the core right? | 19:26 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 19:26 |
+perlDreamer | but if you file a bug that there's no CS to SM translation script, I'll refile it as an RFE | 19:27 |
+perlDreamer | so don't go there... | 19:27 |
mducharme-work | I didn't plan to... | 19:27 |
+perlDreamer | :) | 19:27 |
mducharme-work | I wouldn't want to hold up the release for that to begin with | 19:28 |
mducharme-work | even though ti's a feature I would like | 19:29 |
mducharme-work | heh | 19:29 |
mducharme-work | I think I'll file an RFE for that actually | 19:29 |
mducharme-work | is there a webgui demo site that is running 7.7.x? | 19:33 |
mducharme-work | I just wanted to try out the story manager.. | 19:33 |
mducharme-work | ahh nevermind found it | 19:37 |
mducharme-work | heh | 19:37 |
mducharme-work | bizarre.. | 19:42 |
mducharme-work | no add button | 19:42 |
mducharme-work | ahh nevermind, it's because I made a topic instead of a story archive.. | 19:42 |
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@preaction | perlDreamer, Haarg: Should it be possible to call $asset->indexContent at any time you think? | 23:04 |
+perlDreamer | no | 23:04 |
@preaction | currently it's not | 23:04 |
@preaction | why not? | 23:04 |
+perlDreamer | I just worked around a bug with this | 23:04 |
+perlDreamer | let me think | 23:04 |
+perlDreamer | if you call indexContent before update is called, then you get off by 1 | 23:04 |
+perlDreamer | last update'd data is indexed this time | 23:05 |
+perlDreamer | so it has to be after update | 23:05 |
+perlDreamer | since index calls get | 23:05 |
@preaction | right, but what if we update again? then what? | 23:05 |
+perlDreamer | then you have to call indexContent again | 23:05 |
@preaction | but you can't, the indexer does an insert | 23:05 |
@preaction | not a replace or an update | 23:05 |
+perlDreamer | mmmm, that doesn't sound right | 23:06 |
@preaction | wait. wtf. how does this work? | 23:06 |
+perlDreamer | otherwise, updated assets would never be updated in the search index | 23:06 |
@preaction | i officially do not understand. | 23:07 |
@preaction | it does an INSERT, but what actually happens is a replace | 23:07 |
@preaction | there are no duplicate assetIds in the index, each asset has only one entry | 23:09 |
+perlDreamer | create does an insert | 23:09 |
+perlDreamer | all other calls to the indexer are supposed to use addKeywords | 23:09 |
+perlDreamer | which does an update | 23:09 |
@preaction | but every www_editSave eventually calls indexContent | 23:09 |
@preaction | check that, every commit | 23:10 |
+perlDreamer | right | 23:11 |
+perlDreamer | and commit has unique db fields, so the create doesn't puke | 23:11 |
+perlDreamer | so, through the UI, it always does the right thing | 23:12 |
+perlDreamer | how did you get from map bugs over to that? | 23:14 |
@preaction | but the primary key has to be unique in the table | 23:17 |
@preaction | i'm working on some TGC bugs for JT right now | 23:18 |
@preaction | i don't want him to be able to say i didn't do what he asked me to do | 23:18 |
@preaction | wow. it works with insert... i think it's mysql automatically turning it into a replace | 23:20 |
+perlDreamer | good thinking | 23:20 |
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@preaction | ha, i did end up finding a bug in the indexer | 23:55 |
@preaction | i'll fix it | 23:55 |
+perlDreamer | don't forget to file it :) | 23:55 |
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carogray | calendar question? | 00:19 |
+perlDreamer | ask away | 00:19 |
carogray | Calendar used to have a limit so that you could only send 30 days of events from one calendar to the next, that has now changed right? | 00:20 |
carogray | you can adjust it in the calendar feed? | 00:20 |
@preaction | yes, you can adjust the feed window size. in the Display tab | 00:20 |
+perlDreamer | good question, I'll check in the code | 00:20 |
carogray | window size? | 00:21 |
carogray | it's ICalendar Feed Interval at the bottom of the display tab, right? | 00:21 |
@preaction | yes | 00:21 |
carogray | and that's the calendar that's feeding INTO the "bigger" calendar right? | 00:22 |
carogray | i.e. the sending, not receiving calendar | 00:22 |
@preaction | try it and see, but yes | 00:22 |
carogray | perfect thanks.. I thought I had used this before, but... just checking quickly thanks so much. | 00:22 |
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SquOnk | Greeting | 00:24 |
SquOnk | s | 00:24 |
@preaction | afternoon | 00:24 |
+perlDreamer | Hey, SquOnk | 00:24 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: So, will there by 7.6.36 or not? | 00:24 |
SquOnk | be | 00:24 |
+perlDreamer | no .36. This weekend there will be a .35-1 | 00:25 |
* SquOnk has "keyboard issues" today | 00:25 | |
SquOnk | .35.1 | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | does the nomenclature matter to Debian? | 00:25 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Good enough. I'll package that one as the final webgui 7.6 for Debian Sid so it gets through to testing. | 00:25 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: We'd prefer not to deal with dashes since we use dashes for internal Debian revisions. | 00:26 |
SDuensin | Hey gang. | 00:26 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Speaking of "last version"... | 00:26 |
SquOnk | If I have 7.6.34, what's the minimal version I can upgrade _from_ (7.5.what?) | 00:27 |
SquOnk | (I want to put that in the README notes) | 00:27 |
@preaction | SquOnk: read the gotchas in the latest 7.6 version, it should say in there | 00:27 |
SquOnk | preaction: Ok, let me see | 00:27 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: 7.6.35.1 is greater than 7.6.35 in "debian version comparison" | 00:28 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: 7.6.35-1 is awkward to handle, because -1 is used by Debian internal revision system. | 00:29 |
+perlDreamer | I'll use .1, then | 00:29 |
SquOnk | Say I packaged webgui 7.6.35 for the first time, then it's 7.6.35-1 in Debian. Say I make a patch or improve the package without upgrading webgui proper, then it becomes 7.6.35-2 | 00:30 |
SquOnk | Then, if you release 7.6.35.1 I can release 7.6.35.1-1 and that will trump 7.6.35-* | 00:30 |
SquOnk | preaction: I can have either 7.5.24 or 7.5.40 to be able to use 7.6.35 | 00:33 |
@preaction | yes | 00:33 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: t-25 minutes | 00:33 |
SquOnk | preaction: And I will need 7.6.14 or (I presume) 7.6.35 in order to use 7.7.x | 00:33 |
@preaction | correct | 00:34 |
SquOnk | Good. | 00:34 |
@preaction | but there may be stop-points in between sometimes (the upgrade system isn't always perfect, but we've got something for 8.x that will eliminate the problem) | 00:34 |
+perlDreamer | ooooohhhhhh | 00:35 |
+perlDreamer | Lift? | 00:35 |
SquOnk | 8.0 comes after 7.7? No 7.8? | 00:35 |
@preaction | i think, not sure | 00:35 |
@preaction | we're not sure how the plan is going to progress in re 7.8. that'll be sorted out at the WUC | 00:36 |
SquOnk | What are the release goals for 7.8/8.0? | 00:36 |
@preaction | that too will be part of the WUC | 00:36 |
SquOnk | I'd love to go to the WUC, but I don't have the money :( | 00:36 |
SquOnk | That way, I could rise my hand higher when asked "who wants/need PostgreSQL support?" | 00:37 |
@preaction | JT's keynote (where he announces this stuff) will be available after the WUC for public download | 00:37 |
SquOnk | Both hands, actually. | 00:37 |
SquOnk | And feet. | 00:37 |
@preaction | also, perlDreamer i'll have that bug fixed, just making a test for the module (that hasn't been tested yet) | 00:38 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12115 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): | 00:38 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Draw a fieldset around each Photo and its metadata. | 00:38 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Change the delete label so that it is clear that you are deleting the image and the metadata. | 00:38 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Redo the image upload form so that it is clear that uploading a new image to a photo with | 00:38 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: an existing image replaces the existing with the new one. | 00:38 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12116 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.17/root_import_storymanager_editstory.wgpkg: Story Edit template i18n | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | SquOnk, if you hang in IRC that day, I'll report on the keynote as well | 00:38 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Great. | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | well, as long as the fine hotel wireless is working... | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | he'll probably announce that we're dropping Mysql support in favor of | 00:40 |
SDuensin | Oooo... Liveblogging. | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | Drizzle | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | :) | 00:40 |
@preaction | we've been talking in the backroom about a lot of solutions there | 00:40 |
SDuensin | When is the WUC? | 00:41 |
@preaction | if postgres can outperform mysql innodb then we might look at that | 00:41 |
@preaction | September 10? i think | 00:41 |
SquOnk | Don't drop support. Go DBIx::Class so you have support for whatever | 00:41 |
+perlDreamer | September 10th and 11th | 00:41 |
SquOnk | preaction: I can make PostgreSQL outperform MySQL anytime. | 00:41 |
@preaction | SquOnk: if you want DBIx::Class support for the asset system, I'm working on an asset API that will use it | 00:42 |
SquOnk | preaction: In fact, that's one of my main lines of business here ;-) | 00:42 |
@preaction | it won't be part of Core, but it can be used alongside with a compatibility layer (also in development) | 00:42 |
@preaction | http://github.com/preaction/modern-webgui <- here for DBIx::Class support | 00:42 |
@preaction | let me push what i have, i've got the layout figured out and i'm starting to fill in tests and methods | 00:43 |
SquOnk | preaction: Cool | 00:43 |
SquOnk | preaction: See? Another reason to go to WUC. | 00:43 |
SquOnk | I'm hoping for the current WebGUI customer I have to sponsor me... but I don't think is going to happen. | 00:43 |
+perlDreamer | customers | 00:44 |
@preaction | it's only a couple hundred bucks for the ticket right now (but i suspect plane for you will be not cheap) | 00:44 |
SquOnk | They oficially finished testing and training today, got the styles worked out, and started working on the production system. | 00:44 |
@preaction | is perigrin going to the WUC with HDP? | 00:44 |
@preaction | if so, we'll have a minor Perl demigod there too ;) | 00:45 |
SquOnk | preaction: Well. Plane tickets aren't cheap, but I can pay for them in Bolivares. The problem is getting $ for expenses. There's a tight currency exchange control meant to be so hard to get the money that it's almost impossible in so short notice to get it... | 00:45 |
@preaction | the politics of money? lame | 00:45 |
SDuensin | Speaking of Perl... Is there an easy way to serialize/deserialize objects to XML or JSON? | 00:45 |
SquOnk | ...unless the Finance and Economy Ministry shows up with the $, precisely the customer I'm referring to ;-) | 00:45 |
SquOnk | Oh, speaking of JSON | 00:46 |
@preaction | SDuensin: XML::Simple works, but it can be too simple many times. | 00:46 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin: JSON.pm | 00:46 |
+perlDreamer | XML::Simple sucks | 00:46 |
SquOnk | I haven't found a way to do this, so you just answer "can't be done" to make me happy: | 00:46 |
+perlDreamer | badly | 00:46 |
* SDuensin is scheming. :-D | 00:46 | |
SquOnk | I would like to have some sort of "include" feature in webgui.conf | 00:46 |
SquOnk | I'll explain why. | 00:46 |
SquOnk | Debian has a tool named dbconfig. It's quite magical. | 00:47 |
SquOnk | You give hostname, database name, admin user and password, and it will do what you need it to do, schema loading included. | 00:47 |
+perlDreamer | http://search.cpan.org/~rizen/Config-JSON-1.3.1/lib/Config/JSON.pm#Includes | 00:47 |
+perlDreamer | Note the author name there ;) | 00:48 |
SquOnk | Ah, my incompetence is due to my using an old version of Config::JSON | 00:49 |
SquOnk | Anyway... | 00:49 |
SquOnk | ...dbconfig can create the appropiate stanza for any configuration file. So 2+2=4 | 00:49 |
SquOnk | Let dbconfig worry about DB creation, generate the config piece and let that be included in the standard config file. | 00:50 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Thanks. | 00:50 |
+perlDreamer | yw | 00:51 |
SDuensin | Dang. JSON.pm does everything. | 00:53 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin: have you bitten the JSON in the db bug? | 00:54 |
SDuensin | Bitten it? I just thought it was bad design. | 00:54 |
+perlDreamer | no, non-normalized data is all the rage these days | 00:54 |
SDuensin | Made me rage, that's for sure. :-P | 00:55 |
+perlDreamer | indeed =) | 00:55 |
* SDuensin is re-visiting his idea for "Visual Basic for WebGUI". | 00:55 | |
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+perlDreamer | preaction: I could use some layout advice | 00:58 |
@preaction | ok | 00:58 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/10697 | 00:58 |
+perlDreamer | template is here: http://gist.github.com/167488 | 00:59 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, export could use a nopaste switch ;) | 00:59 |
+perlDreamer | wgd export -nopaste Gist assetId | 00:59 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: I left the templates loose so that I didn't throw in extra code that the designer would just pull out | 01:00 |
+perlDreamer | now I'm getting bit by that | 01:00 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: wgd export | <some program that pastes somewhere> | 01:01 |
@preaction | there are programs that should be able to help you there | 01:01 |
@preaction | i'd say just add <br/> where you need them | 01:01 |
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* perlDreamer starts breakin' | 01:02 | |
@preaction | i'm gonna try to get this test finished, but if i don't feel free to start your release | 01:12 |
+perlDreamer | neck deep in templates | 01:12 |
@preaction | i hate seeing things that aren't tested at all, so i'm adding as much as possible | 01:12 |
+perlDreamer | dude, I applaud your approach | 01:13 |
+perlDreamer | but you'll be writing tests for the next 6 weeks | 01:13 |
@preaction | but WebGUI::Search::Index is a small module, should be done in an hour or so | 01:14 |
@preaction | though, if i were writing tests for the next 6 weeks would that be a bad thing? | 01:22 |
+perlDreamer | No. | 01:22 |
+perlDreamer | just thinking about gettings bugs fixed | 01:22 |
+perlDreamer | once the bug pressure is off, I'll write more tests again | 01:22 |
+perlDreamer | yikes! | 01:34 |
+perlDreamer | I have to start defrosting some dinner | 01:34 |
+perlDreamer | brb | 01:34 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12117 /WebGUI/docs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): | 01:39 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Change the layout of the story templates. Added break tags to force the | 01:39 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: lines to break. | 01:39 |
SDuensin | Wow. I didn't realize Perl 6 actually *ran* yet. Last I saw it was only implemented in Haskell. | 01:49 |
daviddelikat | they are talking about having an official release one of these days | 01:50 |
daviddelikat | so thata people will start using it... | 01:50 |
SDuensin | hehehe | 01:50 |
daviddelikat | apparently they want more input from the comunity | 01:51 |
SDuensin | I'm very interested in Parrot. Their web site pretty much sucks. | 01:51 |
SquOnk | Parrot is quite nice. | 01:51 |
daviddelikat | I've not been to the site, but I'd like to have a couple days to look at it | 01:52 |
SquOnk | If I'm lucky to get scheduled the Compilers track next year, I will have the students generate PIL | 01:52 |
SDuensin | WebGUI on Parrot would make what I'm trying to do a lot easier. :-) | 01:52 |
daviddelikat | supposedly it is designed for dynamic languages | 01:52 |
+perlDreamer | no supposedly to it | 01:53 |
daviddelikat | it would be interesting to try wrtiting apps in parrot, but it is intended for use in language development | 01:53 |
daviddelikat | i say supposedly because I have not been able to confirm for myself | 01:54 |
+perlDreamer | Last time I checked, they had implementations of ruby, python, perl, perl1, tcl, lolcat and a whole hoard of others | 01:54 |
SDuensin | Just having one VM will be so nice. | 01:54 |
daviddelikat | terribly egocentric that way | 01:54 |
SDuensin | perlDreamer - a LOT more: http://www.parrot.org/languages | 01:54 |
+perlDreamer | Last time I checked was October 2k7 | 01:54 |
+perlDreamer | right after I quit trying to write an app that would do parallel language testing for them | 01:54 |
+perlDreamer | I think I still have commit access to their svn repo | 01:55 |
SquOnk | All right, I'm off. | 01:55 |
SquOnk | See you guys tomorrow | 01:55 |
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SDuensin | So do you guys think being able to easily build apps that ran on top of WebGUI would be nice? Even if it's not using Perl? | 01:57 |
daviddelikat | what kind of apps? what is 'on top of WebGUI'? | 01:58 |
SDuensin | Well, for example, I tried to use Thingy to build a management tool for my web hosting. Wasn't able to do what I wanted... | 01:59 |
daviddelikat | so you want applets to plug-in to WG | 01:59 |
@preaction | i'd prefer it if it were easier to build applications for WebGUI using Perl | 01:59 |
SDuensin | So what if I could build it and then place it in my WebGUI page? That way, I'd get all the APIs from WebGUI, the security, authentication, etc. | 01:59 |
SDuensin | preaction - Yea, but I can build it faster in Java. :-P | 02:00 |
SDuensin | daviddelikat - Yea, kinda applet like. | 02:00 |
@preaction | otherwise, if you want a language to target, i'd do Javascript | 02:00 |
SDuensin | I'd love to use Perl/YUI, but I've never found a YUI layout tool that actually worked. | 02:00 |
@preaction | it has everything you need, and there are a lot of APIs already using JavaScript | 02:00 |
daviddelikat | there are lots of ways to integrate perl with java | 02:01 |
SDuensin | daviddelikat - I saw. Perl::Inline is some wild stuff. | 02:01 |
@preaction | making an asset that exposes a bunch of JS APIs that you can utilize might be interesting | 02:01 |
daviddelikat | there are also ways to integrate java with JS | 02:01 |
@preaction | exactly, JS is a wonderful glue language | 02:02 |
@preaction | the alternative is Lua really | 02:02 |
SDuensin | Lua is cool. | 02:02 |
@preaction | and that's also got nice bindings to everything | 02:02 |
daviddelikat | yes, JS is definately sticky and messy | 02:02 |
@preaction | pfft, JS is awesome | 02:03 |
daviddelikat | why not just write an asset that talked to your java applet | 02:03 |
@preaction | or a URL or Content handler | 02:03 |
daviddelikat | using simple urls and JSON | 02:03 |
+perlDreamer | JS is like raspberry jelly | 02:03 |
+perlDreamer | it's great on bread | 02:03 |
+perlDreamer | it's lousy elsewhere | 02:04 |
@preaction | raspberry jelly + brownies == mmmmmmm | 02:04 |
daviddelikat | Black raspberry jam | 02:04 |
+perlDreamer | brownies are bread | 02:04 |
SDuensin | Not a real Java applet. I've been coding using GWT lately. Very nice. | 02:04 |
@preaction | GWT exports to JS doesn't it? | 02:04 |
daviddelikat | lots of little seeds to anoy you | 02:04 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: maybe in public schools, but not according to my mom :( | 02:05 |
daviddelikat | my kids would love that brownie == bread | 02:05 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: you should live at my house :) | 02:05 |
SDuensin | preaction - Yea, it compiles down to JS on the client. The server is a Java Servlet, but I can replace that with a WObject. | 02:05 |
@preaction | SDuensin: sounds like a good solution to me | 02:05 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, why not use HTTP Proxy to bring your Java app "inside" webgui | 02:06 |
+perlDreamer | then you can utilize your java expertise now until you learn a real language (perl) | 02:06 |
daviddelikat | I'm looking forward to the api for runningn bits of WG on outside web sites | 02:06 |
@preaction | can you make GWT target different things by plugins? | 02:06 |
SDuensin | No need. Ideally, what I'd like is a single WObject/Asset that is a "Visual App" or something. Then inside that you can configure it to run whatever apps are installed on the server. | 02:06 |
@preaction | daviddelikat: we're starting work on it already. you can create update and delete users from external APIs | 02:06 |
daviddelikat | imagine this: you are browsing the web and there is a little JS window on your browser ( never goes away, just sits there ) | 02:07 |
@preaction | i want a single unified API for CRUD actions on assets using AJAX | 02:07 |
@preaction | we've got Widgets already | 02:07 |
daviddelikat | then you want to take a note so you press a button and get a text bo | 02:07 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: are those APIs guarded by HTTP Auth | 02:07 |
@preaction | yes | 02:07 |
daviddelikat | enter your note, and click send.,.. | 02:07 |
@preaction | i'm not completely wetodded :p | 02:07 |
daviddelikat | it shows up in your webgui site next time you visit... | 02:08 |
SDuensin | Dang it, daviddelikat. That reminds me of another app I want to write. | 02:08 |
SDuensin | daviddelikat - You'd be able to write things like that with what I want to do. | 02:08 |
daviddelikat | i know... | 02:08 |
daviddelikat | I've been dying to take the time, but theres bill$ to pay... | 02:09 |
SDuensin | What I'd *REALLY* like to do is make it so admins can build apps right inside WebGUI. Nothing but a browser needed. I can't afford to write that though. Like you say, bill$. | 02:09 |
@preaction | what language? | 02:10 |
daviddelikat | any language | 02:10 |
@preaction | or wait, wasn't there an AJAX builder GUI thing? | 02:10 |
@preaction | not possible. there has to be an API | 02:10 |
SDuensin | If I could find a YUI AJAX GUI builder thing, I'd consider it. | 02:10 |
@preaction | we could eventually target any language, but we'd need to do them individually | 02:10 |
daviddelikat | i want integration with a more development quality revision control | 02:11 |
daviddelikat | and a set of triggers to build and test items | 02:11 |
SDuensin | Well, what I have in mind right now would use GWT/Eclipse to build the app and then it'd run on WebGUI when finished. | 02:11 |
daviddelikat | as well as an environment control to allow testing multiple versions at a time. | 02:11 |
@preaction | you mean continual integration daviddelikat? | 02:11 |
@preaction | like buildbot? | 02:12 |
daviddelikat | preaction: what do you mean by continual integration? | 02:12 |
+perlDreamer | it tests every commit | 02:12 |
+perlDreamer | and reports what it found | 02:12 |
@preaction | for every commit to a source control, it builds and tests and reports | 02:12 |
+perlDreamer | so that we can find people who break the project | 02:12 |
+perlDreamer | and do something violent or humiliating to them | 02:12 |
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@preaction | because if i get my way, i want to take PB time/money to build a system to do it | 02:13 |
daviddelikat | by integration I just meant that it had smooth/invisible connections | 02:13 |
@preaction | if i don't get my way, i'll do it anyway (just with no PB time/money) | 02:13 |
@preaction | so you want Trac in WebGUI so-to-speak? | 02:13 |
daviddelikat | pretty much... but it doesn't HAVE to be WG based... | 02:14 |
+perlDreamer | oh, now he's teasing us | 02:14 |
daviddelikat | I just want a tool thata fits my dev-style | 02:14 |
SDuensin | Ah crap. The GUI layout tool I was thinking of isn't for YUI. It was for Ext. | 02:15 |
daviddelikat | I gotta bug off, and do some work... | 02:15 |
+perlDreamer | I need to talk this bug out loud for a bit. | 02:15 |
+perlDreamer | The Story Manager puts Stories in Folders beneath the Archive. | 02:16 |
daviddelikat | is it OK if I ignore you? | 02:16 |
+perlDreamer | sure ;) | 02:16 |
daviddelikat | I like being ignorant :P | 02:16 |
SDuensin | Sure, ignore us. See if we care. :-P | 02:16 |
+perlDreamer | whenever certain operations are done (cut, copy, paste, delete), it returns you to the story's parent, which is NOT the story archive. It's the sub-Folder. | 02:16 |
+perlDreamer | There's a bug filed about this, since the user expected to be sent back to the Archive | 02:17 |
+perlDreamer | which is consisten with wG behavior in other assets | 02:17 |
SDuensin | I'm going to follow daviddelikat. I hope to be back on later tonight. Maybe write some of this crazy code to make an app builder. I hate needing other non-WebGUI web things to get work done! | 02:18 |
+perlDreamer | the parent lookup is done via getParent, and getParent is used all through the codebase | 02:18 |
+perlDreamer | my first thought was to make getParent "lie" and say it's parent was the Archive. That was deemed unwise. | 02:19 |
@preaction | perhaps it should be done by getContainer instead? | 02:19 |
@preaction | that's not possible. getParent must be correct | 02:19 |
+perlDreamer | getContainer isn't a good general purpose solution, since if you delete a page you don't want it to go back to itself | 02:20 |
+perlDreamer | since any container is its own container for the purpose of getContainer | 02:20 |
+perlDreamer | the next best thing I can think of is adding a query param to tell the operations where to go | 02:21 |
+perlDreamer | ?proceed=grandparent | 02:21 |
@preaction | perhaps check getContainer, and if it's the same asset, use getParent | 02:21 |
+perlDreamer | that's not ba | 02:22 |
+perlDreamer | d | 02:22 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: you're invited to dinner for that one. | 02:24 |
@preaction | er.... que? | 02:25 |
+perlDreamer | Do you like lasagna, caesar salad and bread? | 02:25 |
@preaction | and how! | 02:25 |
+perlDreamer | note, this is dinner bread, not dessert bread | 02:25 |
+perlDreamer | we'll be eating at 6:00pm. Don't be late, it makes the kids grumpy | 02:25 |
daviddelikat | your already late its 6:30 | 02:26 |
@preaction | oh, crap, it's 6:30p already. i'll have to pass | 02:26 |
+perlDreamer | its only 4:30 here, you've got time | 02:26 |
@preaction | i have beef stroganoff here anyway, so :p | 02:26 |
+perlDreamer | well, as you will | 02:26 |
+perlDreamer | need to start the release | 02:26 |
@preaction | k, got my bugfix in, with tests ;) | 02:27 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: do you know about the new WebGUI::Test->tagsToRollback? | 02:29 |
@preaction | yeah, forgot to use it though | 02:30 |
+perlDreamer | if we can remove all the END blocks, we can use 1 interpreter to run all the tests, with associated speed-up | 02:30 |
@preaction | ah, nice | 02:30 |
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@preaction | i'll fix it | 02:33 |
* preaction gone exercising | 02:34 | |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: doug * r12118 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Search/Index.pm t/Search/Index.t t/Search): fixed #10771: setIsPublic uses string as arrayref | 02:38 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: doug * r12119 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: added changelog for 10771 | 02:38 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: doug * r12120 /WebGUI/t/Search/Index.t: removed END block | 02:38 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: should it be legal to create a session with no Apache request object? | 02:43 |
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+perlDreamer | patspam, this is really new | 03:16 |
+perlDreamer | but it you add new workflows, you should add them to the list of excluded workflows in t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm | 03:16 |
+perlDreamer | that way they won't be cleaned up accidently | 03:16 |
+patspam | looking looking | 03:17 |
+perlDreamer | did you add a new workflow, or just an activity? | 03:17 |
+patspam | activity | 03:18 |
+perlDreamer | you're fine then | 03:18 |
+patspam | actually | 03:18 |
+patspam | heh let me check | 03:18 |
+patspam | yeah I enabled the ExpireIncompleteSurveyResponses activity, added it to existing daily maintenance workflow | 03:19 |
+patspam | but good to know about the wf list | 03:19 |
+patspam | btw WebGUI::Test::originalConfig isn't guarateed to work properly under prove -j yeah? | 03:21 |
+patspam | because the order that tests start and finish is non-deterministic | 03:21 |
+perlDreamer | right | 03:22 |
+patspam | I do love -j though, makes testing so much faster | 03:22 |
+perlDreamer | I know | 03:22 |
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+perlDreamer | right now we think our best hope is to use something with a persistent interpreter | 03:22 |
+patspam | does such a thing exist? | 03:23 |
+perlDreamer | I think Test::Aggregate works that way | 03:23 |
+patspam | cool | 03:24 |
+patspam | --state=slow,save is kinda handy too, but for some reason --sate=failed,save doesn't work for me | 03:25 |
+perlDreamer | didn't work for me either | 03:25 |
+patspam | I'm in good company then ;) | 03:25 |
daviddelikat | so I fixed the helpdesk meta data in two out of three cases... | 03:26 |
daviddelikat | I love duplicate code | 03:26 |
daviddelikat | or maybe it loves me | 03:26 |
daviddelikat | follows me wherever i go... | 03:26 |
+perlDreamer | daviddelikat, pursue and terminate at all costs | 03:27 |
daviddelikat | like a giant mosquito | 03:27 |
daviddelikat | im there | 03:27 |
daviddelikat | just gotta talk to JT | 03:27 |
daviddelikat | see if hes down with it now or later | 03:27 |
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+patspam | tavisto: you never told me what interweb provider you use at home | 03:39 |
@tavisto | verizon | 03:39 |
+patspam | ah, they any good? | 03:39 |
@tavisto | i dont think I saw the question | 03:39 |
+perlDreamer | it was from last night | 03:39 |
+perlDreamer | they're quite good, and fast, if they are in your area with FIOS | 03:39 |
@tavisto | well they are my only option. Which is ridiculous... since I live like 5 minutes out of a town that has 300k people in it | 03:39 |
+perlDreamer | I had 1.2 Mb download speeds last week | 03:39 |
@tavisto | it happens that I'm right on the cusp of getting better service options. | 03:40 |
@tavisto | that's amazing. living in NYC you'll get fios and love it | 03:40 |
+perlDreamer | totally | 03:40 |
@tavisto | I have 1.7Mb/450k service | 03:40 |
+patspam | ooh fibre optic, sounds tasty! | 03:40 |
@tavisto | and I'm thankful it's available.. but at the same time... I'm sad I cant get a 5 or 10Mb connection since it's the most important part of how I work | 03:40 |
+patspam | for the webcasts? | 03:41 |
@tavisto | yeah that and for other stuff as well | 03:42 |
@tavisto | the webinars are low bandwidth for the most part | 03:42 |
daviddelikat | there is something very WRONG with helpdesk meta data... | 03:43 |
+perlDreamer | semanitcally, programatically, or conceptually? | 03:43 |
daviddelikat | programatically | 03:43 |
daviddelikat | it does not behave | 03:43 |
+perlDreamer | want some help? | 03:44 |
@tavisto | voice is done over the phone and not VOIP | 03:44 |
@tavisto | skype is very unreliable for me thoug | 03:44 |
@tavisto | h | 03:44 |
daviddelikat | spec if you chenge a meta value is remembers the olde value | 03:44 |
daviddelikat | and uses it for searches | 03:44 |
+perlDreamer | I can help look at it during the upgrades if you wish | 03:44 |
+perlDreamer | which will be in an hour or so | 03:44 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, preaction: I have fixed the cookie problem with tests | 03:45 |
daviddelikat | I'm not sure what to look at. | 03:45 |
+perlDreamer | it is a horrible, awful hack, but it works! | 03:45 |
+patspam | dang, Verizon FIOS isn't available in Selden (long island) | 03:48 |
+patspam | neither is their "high speed interwebs" | 03:49 |
+patspam | any other providers worth checking out? | 03:50 |
+perlDreamer | There's Comcast, but that's shared networking. | 03:50 |
+patspam | Optimum Online seems to be the big player on LI | 03:53 |
+patspam | they're part of CableVision apparently | 03:54 |
daviddelikat | perlDreamer: do you have a WG instance with helpdesk installed? | 03:59 |
+perlDreamer | no | 04:00 |
daviddelikat | bummer | 04:00 |
* perlDreamer will pull down the source code and read it after dinner though | 04:00 | |
+perlDreamer | be back in 60 | 04:00 |
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+perlDreamer | it was a short 60, daviddelikat | 04:27 |
daviddelikat | watch out for indegestion | 04:27 |
daviddelikat | I found the problem | 04:27 |
+perlDreamer | cool! | 04:27 |
daviddelikat | well helpdesk uses an index table for searches | 04:27 |
daviddelikat | and editting meta fields doesn't update it... | 04:28 |
+perlDreamer | I wonder why they didn't use the asset fulltext search? | 04:28 |
daviddelikat | meta fields are stored in a seperate table | 04:28 |
+perlDreamer | but they should be searchable | 04:29 |
daviddelikat | kinda curious why since the index table gets fields added for meta data | 04:29 |
daviddelikat | another wierd part: Ticket::update does not update the meta data field | 04:31 |
+patspam | man you guys are so lucky with your broadband coverage | 04:32 |
+patspam | I'm paying $90/month for 1.5Mb interwebs on its own | 04:32 |
+perlDreamer | wow. That's expensive | 04:32 |
+patspam | that's australia for you | 04:33 |
+perlDreamer | It's the real reason you're leaving, isn't it? | 04:33 |
+patspam | heheh totally | 04:33 |
+patspam | for $30/month on OptimumOnline I can get 10 times the speed | 04:33 |
@preaction | plus don't you guys still have that filter? | 04:34 |
+patspam | not yet! | 04:34 |
@preaction | not yet does not inspire me with confidence | 04:34 |
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+perlDreamer | next thing you know, Radix_ will be moving to California | 04:34 |
+patspam | heh, I don't think they're competent enough to build a filter that works, so I'm not worried about it ;) | 04:34 |
+Radix_ | sif | 04:34 |
+patspam | heh Radix_, I was just comparing my Internode plan to american broadband pricing | 04:35 |
+patspam | 3 times the cost for one tenth of the speed, oh yeah! | 04:35 |
+Radix_ | heh.. and how'd it fare? | 04:35 |
+Radix_ | which one is three times the cost? | 04:35 |
+patspam | I'll let you guess | 04:35 |
+Radix_ | American? | 04:36 |
+patspam | heh no way! | 04:36 |
+Radix_ | heh | 04:36 |
+Radix_ | they have quotas in the US now don't they? | 04:36 |
@preaction | not many places do | 04:37 |
+perlDreamer | daviddelikat: metadata update is already handled by Asset->processPropertiesFromFormPost | 04:37 |
+perlDreamer | it it's the same kind of metadata | 04:37 |
@preaction | i've got unmetered, unfiltered 3MB for like $60 a month | 04:37 |
+Radix_ | nice - doesn't compare to Japan tho ;) | 04:37 |
+Radix_ | get fibre for that in Japan ;) | 04:38 |
@preaction | getting unfiltered internet is rare here, they block ports every which way to make you buy more | 04:38 |
+Radix_ | 100mbit unshared | 04:38 |
@preaction | yeah, and some places in Europe are off-the-wall too | 04:38 |
@preaction | really? last i heard Japan was still on ISDN because the monopoly on telecom didn't want to do more | 04:38 |
+Radix_ | nah.. | 04:39 |
+Radix_ | mate said he installed fibre.. and actually saw them running it down his street to his house | 04:39 |
@preaction | i suppose that article was probably a few years old | 04:39 |
+perlDreamer | Asian internet installs are supposed to be incredible, state of the art for speed and availability. | 04:40 |
+Radix_ | depends where in asia, but yeah, japan and south korea certainly have excellent internet | 04:41 |
@preaction | china's working on it at least | 04:41 |
+Radix_ | my friend isn't even in a big city in japan. less than a million people where he is | 04:41 |
+perlDreamer | they have good trains, too | 04:41 |
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+perlDreamer | Why aren't more people entering the style contest? | 04:51 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12121 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm: | 04:52 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Request objects are optional, so check for one before trying to pull | 04:52 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: the HTTP headers for it. | 04:52 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12122 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): | 04:52 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: When opening or duplicating Session objects, pass on any Apache2::Request object | 04:52 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: stored in the current session. | 04:52 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12123 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: Enable tests to work around HTTP cookie fetching. Finally! | 04:52 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12124 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: Preparing for 7.7.17 release. | 05:07 |
daviddelikat | perlDreamer: should Asset::update handle metadata? | 05:13 |
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+perlDreamer | no | 05:13 |
+perlDreamer | it sounds like it was designed to only work well through the UI | 05:13 |
daviddelikat | why not? | 05:13 |
+perlDreamer | because it was put into processPropertiesFromFormPost | 05:13 |
+perlDreamer | which is only called by the UI | 05:14 |
daviddelikat | but that is only used from a form | 05:14 |
+perlDreamer | right | 05:14 |
+perlDreamer | doesn't the Ticket have a form? | 05:14 |
daviddelikat | yes, but the metafields use ajax for updates | 05:14 |
+perlDreamer | then they should call updateMetaData by themselves | 05:15 |
daviddelikat | they currently do a sql update | 05:15 |
+perlDreamer | are we talking about the same kind of metadata? | 05:15 |
daviddelikat | hard to tell | 05:15 |
+perlDreamer | filenames and linenumber? :) | 05:16 |
daviddelikat | I think we are on two diff trracks | 05:16 |
daviddelikat | HelpDeskMetaData is the custom fields that you can add to tickets | 05:16 |
daviddelikat | like the 'whats the buig in' field in webgui bug tracker | 05:17 |
daviddelikat | probably doesn't belong in Asset... | 05:17 |
daviddelikat | but I think that ticket::update should handle it. | 05:17 |
+perlDreamer | if it's more like asset collateral, then probably not | 05:18 |
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@preaction | i'm going to debug this Test::Class thing if it kills me | 05:36 |
+perlDreamer | you go, guy | 05:37 |
@preaction | never used gdb, never hacked perl internals | 05:37 |
+perlDreamer | I can help a little with the internals | 05:37 |
+perlDreamer | I worked on them back in '98 | 05:37 |
@preaction | but so far i've got a gdb instance stepping through perl itself that has loaded the program that shows "Unknown error" | 05:37 |
@preaction | Perl_yyparse is slow under gdb :p | 05:37 |
+perlDreamer | man, between the UTF8 upgrade, and the number of packages to be updated, this is going to take a while | 05:38 |
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@preaction | i think my mind is trying to escape out my eyeballs | 05:41 |
@preaction | do "ck_" and pp_ have any meaning? | 05:42 |
+perlDreamer | those are operations | 05:43 |
+perlDreamer | pp_ is "push/pop", I believe | 05:43 |
+perlDreamer | perldoc perlguts | 05:43 |
+perlDreamer | I'm not familiar with ck | 05:44 |
+perlDreamer | it might be short for check | 05:45 |
@preaction | it's in the context of OP * Perl_ck_require and Perl_pp_require | 05:45 |
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@preaction | perlDreamer: do you have the Test::Class stuff that was giving you problems? | 06:56 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 06:56 |
+perlDreamer | I'll email you a tarball | 06:56 |
@preaction | i found my problem: if there's a syntax error in a Test sub, you get "Unknown Error" | 06:56 |
@preaction | perl -c doesn't reveal the syntax error | 06:56 |
@preaction | it's like different parsing rules apply because of the : Test attribute | 06:57 |
+perlDreamer | email on its way | 06:58 |
+perlDreamer | that would be a consequence of the subroutine attributes | 06:58 |
@preaction | now to find the code that does those so I can narrow this down a bit more | 06:58 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: did you get the email? | 07:14 |
+perlDreamer | wouldn't it be cool if you could specify a URL for loading a new package? | 07:16 |
@preaction | yeah | 07:27 |
@preaction | and it'd be cool if packages did a lot of thing | 07:27 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: what is the error you get when you try to run this? | 07:28 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, it worked fine for me | 07:28 |
+perlDreamer | it was on MacOS that the problem occurred | 07:28 |
@preaction | sunnuvabitch | 07:29 |
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+perlDreamer | sorry, man | 07:29 |
@preaction | it's trying to cast a scalar into a glob, but it can't | 07:29 |
@preaction | which is weird because everything is a glob | 07:29 |
+perlDreamer | not everything is a glob | 07:30 |
+perlDreamer | or are you being context specific? | 07:30 |
@preaction | i don't know what you mean by that | 07:30 |
@preaction | it's trying to cast the SV *sstr into (GV*)sstr | 07:31 |
@preaction | but an assertion is failing | 07:31 |
@preaction | and this function is called like a billion times, so it's gonna take a while to find out what sstr is when it fails :( | 07:32 |
+perlDreamer | I HATE SOURCEFORGE | 07:34 |
@preaction | me too, but why? | 07:34 |
+perlDreamer | every 6 weeks they change the file manager | 07:37 |
+perlDreamer | and there's no on-page help about how to do stuff | 07:37 |
+perlDreamer | the file manager used to work and look like a file manager | 07:37 |
+perlDreamer | now its modal | 07:37 |
+perlDreamer | if you want to upload into a subdirectory, you right click and say "Upload here" | 07:37 |
+patspam | perlDreamer++ # release on, brother c | 07:38 |
+perlDreamer | it's been almost 6 hours for this one | 07:48 |
* perlDreamer is tired | 07:49 | |
* perlDreamer is going to call it a day. | 07:53 | |
+perlDreamer | any last second questions? | 07:53 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12126 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.7.18 development. | 08:04 |
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+perlDreamer | nice work, preaction! | 18:18 |
+perlDreamer | I'll see if I can't build and test the WRE on 5.10.1-RC1 | 18:18 |
+perlDreamer | after I fix bartjol's latest group of i18n bugs | 18:19 |
@Haarg | ugh. no matter what i end up doing to solve the bug i'm working on, it's going to be pretty ugly. | 18:22 |
+perlDreamer | which bug is that? | 18:22 |
+perlDreamer | new router? | 18:22 |
+perlDreamer | or the resize? | 18:22 |
@Haarg | neither | 18:22 |
@Haarg | resize will be pretty simple once i start working on it, although i hate that solution too. | 18:22 |
@Haarg | i'm just going to go back to use the javascript hooks like it was doing previously. | 18:23 |
@Haarg | well, i'll probably just have that in addition to the css stuff. | 18:23 |
@Haarg | and the router should be fine once i get the rest of the stuff i need for it. | 18:23 |
@Haarg | the bug is that if you copy an asset that doesn't have url extension while forced url extensions are enabled, it doesn't add the extension. | 18:24 |
@Haarg | fixUrl relies on the internal implementation of other functions in non-obvious ways | 18:25 |
mducharme-work | hrm | 18:30 |
mducharme-work | is it possible to upgrade from the latest stable to 7.7.17 beta? | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | not yet, mducharme | 18:31 |
mducharme-work | ok | 18:31 |
+bartjol | what what, what did I do | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | You're fixing my horrible i18n | 18:31 |
+bartjol | aaah | 18:31 |
+bartjol | I thought you did it on purpose to get me karma, so I would not hit you with sledgehammers | 18:32 |
+bartjol | but I have some time left to look at that bug I tried to solve | 18:33 |
+bartjol | I'd like a preferred solution, so by patch doesn't suck | 18:33 |
+bartjol | s/by/my/ | 18:33 |
+perlDreamer | I actually think your idea is best | 18:35 |
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+perlDreamer | it is possible to subclass other actions like cut, copy, paste and delete | 18:36 |
+perlDreamer | but we don't have a restore method | 18:36 |
+perlDreamer | yet :) | 18:36 |
+bartjol | the first with a doOnRecovery one | 18:36 |
+bartjol | ok | 18:36 |
+bartjol | or restore | 18:36 |
+perlDreamer | I can build a blank one in AssetTrash | 18:36 |
+perlDreamer | and then it can be overridden in Post | 18:36 |
+bartjol | should that be an extra sub? | 18:36 |
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+perlDreamer | yes | 18:38 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12128 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): i18n fixes for LDAP and StoryArchive. Bugs #10774, 10775, 10776 | 18:39 |
+perlDreamer | if you're going to work on that, I'm going to take a look at rogier's SQLReport pagination bug | 18:42 |
+bartjol | ok | 18:42 |
+perlDreamer | rbuels: you've been in here a while, but I've never seen you say anything. Do you have any questions? | 18:42 |
rbuels | perlDreamer: no questions, i'm just lurking. | 18:44 |
+perlDreamer | okey-doke | 18:44 |
rbuels | perlDreamer: getting a sense of what the devel community is like, etc. | 18:44 |
+bartjol | we are horrible of course | 18:45 |
rbuels | lol | 18:45 |
rbuels | i'm a bioinformatics guy | 18:46 |
rbuels | i work at sgn.cornell.edu | 18:46 |
+perlDreamer | cool. Working in perl? | 18:46 |
rbuels | yes | 18:46 |
rbuels | we're interested in finding better ways to integrate all the open-source bioinformatics tools that are out there | 18:47 |
rbuels | like all these things: http://gmod.org/wiki/GMOD_Components | 18:47 |
+perlDreamer | and you're thinking of using WebGUI for doing that? | 18:47 |
rbuels | it's one thing we're evaluating, yes | 18:48 |
rbuels | an example thing that we want to do: GBrowse is a genome browser, packaged as a perl cgi app | 18:48 |
rbuels | naturally, since it's written by lincoln, who wrote CGI.pm | 18:48 |
rbuels | lol | 18:49 |
+perlDreamer | ha | 18:49 |
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rbuels | problem is, if you want to integrate gbrowse into your site | 18:49 |
rbuels | it's a pain | 18:49 |
rbuels | it doesn't use the same headers | 18:49 |
rbuels | or same session management | 18:49 |
rbuels | or anything | 18:49 |
+perlDreamer | People use the HTTP Proxy asset to do things like that in WebGUI | 18:50 |
+bartjol | eeeh perlDreamer when I asked after the new sub, I meant a new sub in AssetTrash, while in my post I meant in the asset code | 18:50 |
+perlDreamer | bartjol, it's just a refactor | 18:50 |
+perlDreamer | just move it from one to the other | 18:51 |
rbuels | got a pointer to the HTTP Proxy asset docs? | 18:51 |
+perlDreamer | let me check a sec | 18:51 |
+bartjol | well, but in which one should it be?, persoally I would put it in (eg ) Post | 18:51 |
+perlDreamer | rbuels: you can check the Primer for free: https://www.plainblack.com/services/training/webgui-primer | 18:52 |
+perlDreamer | or, there are some books here: https://www.plainblack.com/store/services/books2 | 18:52 |
+perlDreamer | your next best bet is the wiki on webgui.org | 18:52 |
+perlDreamer | I should say, wikis on webgui.org | 18:53 |
+perlDreamer | and the forums | 18:54 |
+perlDreamer | the wiki page is sparse: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/http-proxy | 18:54 |
+perlDreamer | bartjol, it actually needs to be in both places | 18:55 |
+bartjol | ah | 18:55 |
+perlDreamer | AssetTrash as a placeholder for all Assets | 18:55 |
+bartjol | yes | 18:55 |
+perlDreamer | and then in Post so that it will recount the posts | 18:55 |
+bartjol | ok, I'm doing the latter now | 18:55 |
+bartjol | have to read the code some more for the AssetTrash bit | 18:55 |
+perlDreamer | I'll do the AssetTrash one :) | 18:56 |
+bartjol | well, ok, don't you trust me ;) | 18:56 |
+perlDreamer | no ;) | 18:56 |
+perlDreamer | You sounded nervous | 18:56 |
+bartjol | well, Koen is behind me with a hatchet | 18:56 |
+perlDreamer | odd | 18:56 |
+perlDreamer | Normally at this time of day he's holding a small girl | 18:56 |
+perlDreamer | you do the hacking, I'll review the patch | 18:57 |
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+bartjol | yeah, but I find babies more scary than hatchets, so that's imaginatoin | 18:57 |
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+bartjol | well, I scared josh away | 18:57 |
+perlDreamer | rbuels, another way is just to get your hands dirty. Head on over to demo.plainblack.com and you can make a 24-hour long play site. | 18:58 |
* mducharme-work kicks his terminal server | 19:00 | |
mducharme-work | I hate microsoft... | 19:00 |
rbuels | perlDreamer: yeah, i did poke at that a bit a few days ago | 19:03 |
rbuels | perlDreamer: your ip looks like you're in portland | 19:03 |
rbuels | ever head down to the pdx.pm meetings? | 19:03 |
+perlDreamer | No. They're on Wednesday nights, which is the same night as orchestra practice. | 19:03 |
+perlDreamer | I am in Portland (Hillsboro, actually) | 19:03 |
rbuels | ah. | 19:04 |
mducharme-work | orchestra practice? | 19:04 |
rbuels | pity. really fun :-) | 19:04 |
* perlDreamer plays the tuba | 19:04 | |
mducharme-work | ahh | 19:04 |
rbuels | awesome | 19:04 |
mducharme-work | cool | 19:04 |
mducharme-work | I compose | 19:04 |
rbuels | tuba rocks | 19:04 |
rbuels | perlDreamer which outfit you play with? | 19:05 |
+perlDreamer | I play in a small orchestra for my church. | 19:05 |
+perlDreamer | sunsetpres.org | 19:05 |
mducharme-work | I love the tuba in it's upper range, it sounds very horn like | 19:05 |
mducharme-work | how come your church isn't using webgui :P | 19:06 |
+perlDreamer | when I was the webmaster, they did ;) | 19:07 |
mducharme-work | ahh | 19:07 |
+perlDreamer | when I retired, they hired someone else, and they needed integration with their new management software, which is all Microsoft based. | 19:07 |
* rbuels barfs | 19:07 | |
mducharme-work | management software for what? | 19:07 |
+perlDreamer | I have heard that they wish that they could have gone the other way, and integrated with WebGUI | 19:07 |
rbuels | yeah what do they run now? | 19:07 |
* rbuels would like to know what happens in microsoft land | 19:08 | |
+perlDreamer | there are integrated packages that keep track of children's attendance, check-ins, room reservations, finances and stuff like that | 19:08 |
+perlDreamer | it's called FellowshipOne | 19:08 |
+perlDreamer | I don't know how they're managing the website. | 19:09 |
+bartjol | eeh, perlDreamerI'm afraid I have to leave shortly | 19:09 |
+bartjol | but I did wreck my webgui :) | 19:09 |
+perlDreamer | you want a crack at it later? | 19:10 |
+bartjol | I do | 19:10 |
+bartjol | it's not a real significant bug | 19:10 |
+bartjol | If I have not fixed it by somewhere next week, you can kick my butt and take it from me | 19:10 |
+bartjol | deal? | 19:11 |
+bartjol | all bugs are significant off course | 19:11 |
+perlDreamer | bartjol, deal. Although I have every confidence in you | 19:13 |
+perlDreamer | and your sledgehammer | 19:13 |
+bartjol | I do not program with my sledgehammer | 19:14 |
+bartjol | somehow, that did not fix the bugs last 3 times I tried | 19:15 |
+perlDreamer | maybe it's the wrong setting | 19:15 |
+perlDreamer | sledgehammers for programmers, and houses | 19:15 |
+bartjol | well, it did fix my "windows boots on this machine" bug | 19:15 |
+bartjol | and tomorrow I'm gonna get a extra heigh toilet bowl | 19:18 |
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+perlDreamer | bartjol: that was too much information | 19:18 |
+bartjol | well, I also will be a sound engineer tomorrow at a band performance | 19:19 |
+bartjol | better? | 19:19 |
+perlDreamer | much better | 19:20 |
+bartjol | ok | 19:20 |
* perlDreamer has always suspected that you're full of it | 19:20 | |
+perlDreamer | now we have the porcelain to prove it | 19:20 |
+bartjol | :) | 19:20 |
+bartjol | well, I have to go, cheers | 19:21 |
+perlDreamer | later, dude | 19:21 |
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* rbuels pokes through the 7.6.35-stable source | 19:30 | |
rbuels | is it still mod_perl only? | 19:30 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 19:30 |
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+perlDreamer | hm | 19:36 |
+perlDreamer | maybe we need an eBook format of the Primer | 19:36 |
rbuels | even better would be html or something | 19:37 |
rbuels | cause browsing pdfs is..... | 19:37 |
rbuels | blech. | 19:37 |
+perlDreamer | All of PB's books used to be available in electronic formats | 19:38 |
+perlDreamer | and then they found out that people were not respecting the licensing and copying them | 19:38 |
+perlDreamer | like buying 1 copy for a team of 50 people | 19:38 |
+perlDreamer | so they dropped all eformats | 19:38 |
+perlDreamer | breakfast time for me, bbiaw | 19:39 |
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+perlDreamer | back | 20:16 |
+perlDreamer | Is it a bug if a default template does not use every possible template variable? | 20:28 |
@preaction | no | 20:36 |
mducharme-work | if it was, there would be lots of navigation templates with that issue | 20:37 |
@preaction | all of them, it's impossible to use all the vars, they have opposite/conflicting uses | 20:37 |
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+perlDreamer | okay, next question. In an SQL Report, are subqueries supposed to be paginated? | 20:39 |
@preaction | no | 20:39 |
@preaction | every row in the first query runs the second query. every row in the second query runs the third query. it's impossible to paginate all that | 20:40 |
@preaction | well, not impossible. but we don't do it right now | 20:40 |
+perlDreamer | :) | 20:40 |
+perlDreamer | bug-- | 20:42 |
+perlDreamer | Actually, I think it is impossible | 20:42 |
+perlDreamer | multiple, concurrent pagination isn't possible right now | 20:43 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: once your Package via URL feature gets added, it's a small step to add "subscribe to packages" ;) | 21:24 |
@preaction | then, we can add "push and pull packages" and they'll be everything i want them to be | 21:24 |
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+perlDreamer | subscribe to packages? | 21:40 |
+perlDreamer | this is for consumption, not production | 21:40 |
+perlDreamer | or am I missing your point? | 21:40 |
@preaction | the idea being that many times information is shared between two sites on a regular basis | 21:42 |
@preaction | like a bazaar theme being updated with bugfixes | 21:42 |
* perlDreamer is paranoid enough that I'd never automatically pull from the Bazaar | 21:42 | |
+perlDreamer | but between sites, sure! | 21:43 |
@preaction | not automatically, you'd trigger it yourself and could rollback of course | 21:43 |
@preaction | both options would be available | 21:43 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 21:43 |
+perlDreamer | has the RFE been approved? | 21:43 |
@preaction | no, not sure if i even put one out there for it | 21:43 |
+perlDreamer | I have to admit, I thought of it for pulling packages from the buglist | 21:44 |
+perlDreamer | but it could be quite handy | 21:44 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 22:13 |
+perlDreamer | a method called getMyDaddy would be frowned on... | 22:13 |
@preaction | whosMyDaddy would be much better | 22:17 |
+perlDreamer | getParent and getContainer are already taken | 22:17 |
+perlDreamer | your container/parent idea works well | 22:19 |
+perlDreamer | and since I'll be porting it all over, I want to encapsulate it in a method | 22:19 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12129 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): | 22:53 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Change www_delete and www_cut to use either the container, or the parent | 22:53 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: as the asset to return the user to after their actions. | 22:53 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Subclass getContainer in the Story, and alias it to getArchive. | 22:53 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Fixes bug 10657. | 22:53 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: that was the last Story bug on the board | 23:04 |
@preaction | my turn, eh? | 23:05 |
+perlDreamer | if you can talk me through them, I'll help | 23:05 |
+perlDreamer | although I'm knee deep in a matrix bug right now | 23:05 |
@preaction | np, take your time | 23:05 |
+perlmonkey2 | preaction: if I can ever get my git reconfigured on my server I'm going to see what I can do to help out on the webgui-modern repo. Anything you want special attention given to? | 23:10 |
@preaction | right now, tests and filling in methods | 23:11 |
@preaction | i want to get the base asset APIs done | 23:11 |
+perlmonkey2 | tests....was thinking about those this morning. Some of them might have to be radically changed. | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | hm, how about a wgd CLI for submitting bugs/rfes? | 23:14 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12130 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm): | 23:23 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Make addListings in the Matrix use AdminConsole submenus for | 23:23 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: actions, like all the other assets. Add a link back to the | 23:23 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Matrix. | 23:23 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Fixes bug #10778. | 23:23 |
+perlDreamer | daviddelikat: would it be hard to add statistics to the helpdesk? | 23:38 |
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@preaction | oh, one more thing I want in WebGUIx::Asset (modern-webgui), we need to add MooseX::Declare | 23:53 |
SDuensin | My mother was bitten by a moose. | 23:54 |
@preaction | N? really? | 23:57 |
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@preaction | perlDreamer: also, we need to actually figure out the API we want. i want this to be as close to perfect (i don't want to start over another time) as possible | 00:03 |
@preaction | much of the API will be dictated by DBIx::Class | 00:03 |
@preaction | and much by keeping things sanely transferred from the old API | 00:04 |
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+BartJol | ok, the recovery stuff in Post.pm seems to work | 00:18 |
+perlDreamer | excellent | 00:18 |
+BartJol | now the bit in AssetTrash | 00:18 |
+BartJol | actually took only 5 minutes in another installto reprogram after this afternoon | 00:19 |
+perlDreamer | the method in AssetTrash should be very simple | 00:22 |
+perlDreamer | some POD, and an empty subroutine | 00:22 |
+BartJol | yes | 00:22 |
* perlDreamer smells some dead code | 00:22 | |
+BartJol | eeeh | 00:22 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 00:22 |
+perlDreamer | bit rot | 00:22 |
+BartJol | empty subroutine btw? | 00:22 |
+BartJol | strange | 00:23 |
+BartJol | well | 00:23 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, because most assets don't need to do anything special for a restore | 00:23 |
+BartJol | bit rotting, that does not sound good | 00:23 |
+BartJol | ah | 00:23 |
+perlDreamer | I'm sorry, I'm talking about the bug that I'm working on now | 00:23 |
+perlDreamer | where I find a new, unrelated sub bug every hour or so | 00:23 |
+perlDreamer | missing i18n | 00:23 |
+perlDreamer | bad asset navigation | 00:23 |
+BartJol | you said some other methods exist that are similar | 00:23 |
+BartJol | aah | 00:23 |
+perlDreamer | oh, the other similar methods would be cut, copy, paste and delete | 00:24 |
+perlDreamer | but there is not restore method | 00:24 |
+BartJol | that is not good, and hey, it takes you more time, helping me solve that bug, than it would cost you doing it yourself | 00:24 |
+perlDreamer | yes, but now _you_ know how to fix bugs, too | 00:25 |
+BartJol | yes, it is an investment | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | it makes you more valuable to the community, and besides, I like helping you | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | Bart can translate WebGUI, write multilingual content features, destroy houses AND fix bugs | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | it'll look great on your resume | 00:25 |
+BartJol | well, I also prepared my drainage tubes | 00:26 |
+BartJol | and I can drink and brew beer and sail, yee, is there anything I can't do... | 00:26 |
* BartJol is gonna read some code | 00:27 | |
* perlDreamer is going to fix my wife's computer, again | 00:28 | |
+BartJol | don't be too hard on dreamersGirl | 00:37 |
+cap10morgan_ | w/ 7.7.17, if you don't have a pidFile setting in spectre.conf, does it use a reasonable default or does it refuse to start? | 00:43 |
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@preaction | it refuses to start | 00:44 |
@preaction | and refuses to quit as well, you'll have to kill -9 | 00:44 |
+cap10morgan_ | yeah, saw that in the gotchas | 00:44 |
+cap10morgan_ | is there really not a reasonable default location it could test for and use? | 00:44 |
+cap10morgan_ | in the wre | 00:44 |
+cap10morgan_ | and then, if it's not there, give up | 00:44 |
@preaction | that would make it wre-specific | 00:46 |
@preaction | i would say use /var/run/spectre.pid | 00:46 |
@preaction | or /tmp/spectre.pid | 00:46 |
+cap10morgan_ | it wouldn't make it any more wre-specific than it is now | 00:46 |
+cap10morgan_ | it would have the same exact behavior w/o the wre | 00:46 |
+cap10morgan_ | it would give up if you didn't have pidFile defined | 00:47 |
+cap10morgan_ | but when the wre happened to be there, hey it works | 00:47 |
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+cap10morgan_ | or do you guys not like coding anything into webgui that looks for wre-ness anywhere? | 00:47 |
+cap10morgan_ | (which i could understand) | 00:48 |
@preaction | we don't like coding anything into webgui that even tries to rely on the WRE | 00:48 |
+cap10morgan_ | gotcha | 00:48 |
+cap10morgan_ | ok, i agree w/ that principle so i retract my earlier proddings :) | 00:48 |
+cap10morgan_ | i just have to migrate a ton of sites over so this is another thing i have to add to that script, but i should shut up and take my medicine | 00:49 |
+cap10morgan_ | earlier versions of spectre will dutifully ignore a pidFile setting in their confs, right? | 00:51 |
@preaction | yes | 00:51 |
+cap10morgan_ | ok, cool, i'll just add it to all of them now then | 00:51 |
+perlDreamer | make sure it has the right PID in it, cap10morgan, or it the file won't matter much :/ | 00:52 |
+perlDreamer | I'm a WRE newbie, but are the config files templated in the WRE? | 00:53 |
+BartJol | 24187 Ibelieve | 00:53 |
+perlDreamer | so that on the next WRE release we could have it point to the right WRE location by default? | 00:53 |
+BartJol | perlDreamer: yes | 00:53 |
+BartJol | they are in var/setupfiles | 00:53 |
+BartJol | but that does not contain webgui or spectre configs | 00:54 |
+perlDreamer | really? | 00:54 |
+perlDreamer | how does it build the site specific files then? | 00:54 |
@preaction | the webgui config file is templatable, yes | 00:54 |
@preaction | but not the spectre config file | 00:54 |
+BartJol | no those are in WebGUI/etc | 00:54 |
+perlDreamer | I'll file a bug and assign it to SynQ | 00:54 |
@preaction | but there are config file overrides in the WRE | 00:54 |
+BartJol | spectre.conf.original | 00:55 |
@preaction | which is a template | 00:55 |
@preaction | which uses the variables you can set up when adding a site (var1 - var9) | 00:55 |
+perlDreamer | done | 00:57 |
+perlDreamer | Don't hate me SynQ! | 00:57 |
+BartJol | he won't | 01:01 |
+BartJol | what did you do? | 01:01 |
+perlDreamer | I assigned a bug to him | 01:01 |
+BartJol | ahh | 01:01 |
+BartJol | well, he does that regularly to me | 01:03 |
+perlDreamer | you guys have a bug tracker, too? | 01:03 |
+BartJol | he call it "my job" | 01:03 |
+BartJol | yes, well we use a bug tracker for everything | 01:03 |
+BartJol | we call it issues | 01:03 |
+BartJol | but I notice my eyelids dropping | 01:04 |
+perlDreamer | it's the bier | 01:04 |
+BartJol | and I have to go shopping for building materials tomorrow | 01:04 |
+BartJol | I drank4 | 01:04 |
+BartJol | which is less than normal on friday (and the reason I don't do that much hacking on fridaynight) | 01:05 |
+BartJol | well, I did fix the first part | 01:06 |
+BartJol | goodnight | 01:07 |
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+perlDreamer | goodnight | 01:07 |
+perlDreamer | ya know, for a second I thought he wrote | 01:11 |
+perlDreamer | I frank4 | 01:11 |
+perlDreamer | frank is an obscure Dutch-ism for consuming bier | 01:12 |
@preaction | so obscure even the dutch don't know about it! | 01:12 |
+perlDreamer | he really frank'ed that Bud. | 01:12 |
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SDuensin2 | It's new IRC client time! | 01:13 |
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+perlDreamer | which one now, SDuensin2? | 01:13 |
SDuensin2 | Going from X-Chat Aqua to Colloquy since nobody bothers to update X-Chat anymore. | 01:14 |
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@preaction | SDuensin: i want to update xchat aqua, but no time. and colloquy is still more suck | 01:15 |
SDuensin | Yea, but it's pretty suck. :-P | 01:15 |
@preaction | there is that | 01:16 |
@preaction | but i don't want pretty, i want non-suck and non-annoying | 01:16 |
SDuensin | Well, if it becomes annoying, I'll be back to X-Chat. | 01:16 |
@preaction | plus i wrote a plugin for ircproxyd that reconnects me quickly | 01:16 |
SDuensin | So far, the only problem I have with Colloquy is that it logs in FRACKING XML! Really? WTF? | 01:16 |
@preaction | my problem is the way it handles /notice as PM instead of what it's supposed to be: a message that SHOULD NOT be responded to | 01:17 |
@preaction | so /notice should go to my currently open channel window | 01:18 |
SDuensin | Can't you set that? There were rules in the prefs about opening new "panels". | 01:19 |
@preaction | not how i want it to. and i was told in no polite way that i was an idiot for wanting what i wanted | 01:20 |
@preaction | since colloquy is a chat client, not an IRC client | 01:20 |
SDuensin | Ah - I just saw what you mean. My bot greeting ended up in a Growl window. | 01:20 |
@preaction | it only got annoying when i was working with chanserv or any other bot that does /notice (which is what they're supposed to do, according to the IRC spec) | 01:21 |
SDuensin | Hmm. I think my bot does /msg, but it's abusive anyway. Screw the spec. :-) | 01:22 |
SDuensin | Got to learn how to re-scan my screen to read things. That's the worst part. | 01:23 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, is there a bug tracker for wgd somewhere? | 01:23 |
@preaction | the github.com site has an issue tracker | 01:24 |
+perlDreamer | nm, it's a WebGUI bug | 01:24 |
* preaction is now HaargToo | 01:24 | |
+perlDreamer | something about packaging a Matrix is bad | 01:24 |
+perlDreamer | either in, or out | 01:25 |
+perlDreamer | I really want to refactor the Matrix | 01:32 |
+perlDreamer | but without good tests, or test procedures, and the spec, it would be a disaster | 01:32 |
SDuensin | I CAN DRAG TABS! Ok, that overrides the annoying /notice "feature". | 01:33 |
@preaction | pfft | 01:38 |
SDuensin | Hey, that's very helpful for how I work. | 01:38 |
* perlDreamer is going to take a break to avoid a pouty fit | 01:54 | |
+perlDreamer | preaction: we may need to talk a little bit, later on | 01:54 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: okay, i'll be back probably around 8-8:30 my time (going for exercise takes about 90 minutes + shower and whatever makes 2 hours) | 01:55 |
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@preaction | (1) To bring the user in from a search, (2) to return the user after a delete, what other use has getContainer? | 04:23 |
+perlDreamer | cut | 04:32 |
+perlDreamer | promote, demote | 04:32 |
+perlDreamer | Template->view | 04:32 |
+perlDreamer | ZipArchive->view | 04:33 |
+perlDreamer | it's used all over the place | 04:33 |
@preaction | those last two are special cases, trying to nail down the docs and API for WebGUIx::Asset | 04:33 |
@preaction | promote and demote don't exist in the new API. those actions are handled by a DBIx::Class module (less code for us to write) | 04:35 |
@preaction | there are equivalents | 04:35 |
+perlDreamer | sounds vaguely Borg-esque | 04:35 |
+perlDreamer | Klingon. A primitive species. You will serve well in the new API | 04:36 |
@preaction | we will add your Roles and Classes to our own | 04:36 |
@preaction | just not sure what i should default to :p. most cases for a search it should go right to the asset | 04:37 |
@preaction | but for the delete, cut, promote, demote it should go to the container | 04:37 |
+perlDreamer | duplicate, too | 04:38 |
@preaction | www_copy is duplicate + cut | 04:38 |
@preaction | though really, shouldn't those things return us to where we were? | 04:38 |
@preaction | copy the original asset still exists, so i can return there | 04:39 |
@preaction | delete, cut it doesn't exist, so i can't go back | 04:39 |
@preaction | promote / demote are only useful in the context of the container (to see the change) | 04:39 |
@preaction | i'm just gonna default to the parent, which is the most useful of the options, and it can be changed if necessary | 04:40 |
@preaction | all those methods looking for get_container are going to check if get_container == self and do get_parent otherwise | 04:40 |
@preaction | (iow, the exact problem you fixed today in the Story manager) | 04:41 |
+perlDreamer | wow, you're even abandoning camel case | 04:41 |
@preaction | god yes | 04:41 |
+perlDreamer | I not only fixed it in the story manager, I fixed it everywhere | 04:41 |
@preaction | but it helps with compatibility, we can tell if we're calling a new API method or an old API method | 04:42 |
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+perlDreamer | time to go into daddy mode, and go <shudder> | 04:44 |
+perlDreamer | grocery shopping | 04:44 |
@preaction | aww, groc... ohhh, WITH the kids | 04:45 |
@preaction | was gonna say it was fun, but hmm... | 04:45 |
+perlDreamer | put that down | 04:45 |
+perlDreamer | don't run there | 04:45 |
@preaction | watch out for that man | 04:45 |
+perlDreamer | No, we can't buy 10 lbs of chocolate chips | 04:45 |
+perlDreamer | no, we can't buy 5 lbs either | 04:45 |
@preaction | heh, good luck | 04:45 |
+perlDreamer | thx ;) | 04:45 |
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carogray | If anyone is out there I need to ask a really basic "stupid" question | 13:18 |
daviddelikat | carogray: you still there? I can try to answer your question. | 14:26 |
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mducharme | oh this is a weird feature | 17:40 |
mducharme | might be considered a glitch in firefox | 17:52 |
daviddelikat | sup? | 17:53 |
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mducharme | nothing to do with webgui.. went onto wikipedia page that had multiple ogg sound files, played three individually using the new built in player in 3.5.. then I went to another page, hit the back button, and the three files started playing again, all simultaneously mixed together | 18:02 |
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mducharme | had to scroll up and down the page to find all the stop buttons to stop the din | 18:02 |
mducharme | heh | 18:02 |
daviddelikat | sounds like a bug to me | 18:02 |
mducharme | they were three very different pieces of music so it sounded pretty bad | 18:03 |
daviddelikat | or maby lots of nasty bugs depending on the sounds | 18:03 |
mducharme | I wonder if I should report it to wikipedia or to mozilla | 18:03 |
mducharme | heh | 18:03 |
daviddelikat | id say mozilla | 18:04 |
daviddelikat | it could be a situation they never though would happen... three mucis bits on the same page | 18:04 |
daviddelikat | carogray: what was your question early this morning? | 18:06 |
daviddelikat | what is WG general policy for use of SQL extensions? | 18:09 |
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@preaction | so 6 hours later i find out that Moose hates use base, you must use it's special "extends" | 22:36 |
@preaction | 6 hours of debugging completely weird behavior... | 22:37 |
daviddelikat | a day(and my sanity) was lost for want of a dereference... | 23:07 |
+cap10morgan | is it possible to import a whole other site into a subdirectory of another site? | 23:51 |
daviddelikat | you could try exporting the whole thing as a package | 23:51 |
daviddelikat | why do you want to do this? | 23:51 |
+cap10morgan | i want to try switching to a one database n sites setup | 23:54 |
daviddelikat | seems like you want to copy the database, not the site itself... | 23:58 |
daviddelikat | you will need to export your database from the one site, then import it to the other server | 23:59 |
daviddelikat | and make sure the WG config works with the new server | 23:59 |
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daviddelikat | you can probably get more advice about this from someone who has more WG experience than I | 00:00 |
daviddelikat | I expect PerlDreamer has done this very task... | 00:00 |
@preaction | combining sites is evil | 00:01 |
daviddelikat | why? | 00:01 |
@preaction | it can't be done just by combining databases | 00:01 |
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@preaction | lineage is the main problem there | 00:01 |
@preaction | in theory, rebuildLineage.pl after combining should work | 00:02 |
daviddelikat | cant you just use 2 seperate databases on one server? | 00:02 |
@preaction | but that's not what he wants, he wants one database for two sites | 00:02 |
daviddelikat | if each WG instance connects to the server as a diff db then lineage should not be an issue | 00:02 |
+cap10morgan | i work with a national non-profit with around 25 state affiliates | 00:04 |
+cap10morgan | they share content across sites quite a bit | 00:04 |
+cap10morgan | so it would be very helpful if on the backend it was all the same site | 00:05 |
+cap10morgan | but on the frontend they used separate domains | 00:05 |
daviddelikat | sounds like an REF to me | 00:06 |
daviddelikat | RFE | 00:06 |
@preaction | it's already possible, with some fancy rewrite rules | 00:07 |
@preaction | the problem is combining the databases | 00:08 |
daviddelikat | I can see where that woul dbe a serious issue. | 00:08 |
+cap10morgan | preaction: if i add a new root dir to the url field of all the assets, then pull in all the records to the master db, then rebuildLineage, that might work right? | 00:08 |
daviddelikat | though I could imagine writing a wobject or something that would access a foreign database and import stuff | 00:09 |
@preaction | cap10morgan: don't forget groups, users, and everything else | 00:10 |
@preaction | and you're gonna have to trial and error this quite a bit really | 00:10 |
@preaction | your best bet would be to make one new site and combine everything into it | 00:10 |
+cap10morgan | ok | 00:10 |
@preaction | i've done this once before, 3+ years ago | 00:10 |
+cap10morgan | can you make the subsites generate www.domain.org urls in the html they send back to the browser? instead of www.mastersite.org/subsite ? | 00:11 |
SDuensin | cap10morgan: if you figure that all out, please let me know. I've got four sites that would play nicer as one. | 00:12 |
+cap10morgan | SDuensin: ok, will do | 00:13 |
@preaction | cap10morgan: in the site settings, you have them use HTTP_HOST | 00:19 |
@preaction | i forget what tab that's on | 00:19 |
+cap10morgan | huh, ok | 00:19 |
+cap10morgan | that makes sense | 00:19 |
+cap10morgan | so doing this twice w/ 2 sets of ~30 sites | 00:20 |
+cap10morgan | would you tell a client "nope, that's not going to work" | 00:20 |
+cap10morgan | ? | 00:20 |
+cap10morgan | :) | 00:20 |
@preaction | probably. and once they're together it's even more difficult to break them apart | 00:24 |
+cap10morgan | i'm working w/ non-production copies trying to see how feasible it is | 00:25 |
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+perlDreamer | daviddelikat: indeed I have, and there's a wiki article for it | 00:55 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: that's what you get for using Moose. | 00:55 |
+perlDreamer | cap10morgan: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/multiple-sites-/-different-webgui-versions-on-one-system | 00:59 |
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+patspam | perlDreamer: you about? | 06:26 |
+perlDreamer | lurking :) | 06:27 |
+perlDreamer | what's up? | 06:27 |
+patspam | heh | 06:27 |
+patspam | trying to track down how the Inbox account module displays the sub-tabs | 06:27 |
+patspam | Messages and Invitations | 06:27 |
+perlDreamer | try the layout template | 06:28 |
+perlDreamer | I think that's where that is done | 06:28 |
+patspam | genius, thanks | 06:28 |
+patspam | somehow I didn't see it in there | 06:28 |
+patspam | I knew you'd know :) | 06:28 |
* perlDreamer has done a bit of digging in there | 06:29 | |
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+patspam | dang, mini-blackout | 06:34 |
+perlDreamer | that's not good | 06:34 |
+patspam | lights just dipped, and router dropped out | 06:34 |
+patspam | btw, helen moved into our new place on long island today! | 06:34 |
+perlDreamer | awesome! | 06:34 |
+perlDreamer | she likes it? | 06:34 |
+patspam | so far.. | 06:34 |
+perlDreamer | probably missing one important component | 06:34 |
+patspam | hehe | 06:34 |
+patspam | thank god for skype | 06:35 |
+perlDreamer | do y'all have video, too? | 06:35 |
@preaction | long island? new york? | 06:35 |
+patspam | networks speeds are too crappy here in aus, just doing audio | 06:35 |
+patspam | preaction: yeah I'm a movin to long island | 06:36 |
@preaction | wow, nice | 06:36 |
+patspam | helen is studying over there, so I'm tagging along for the ride | 06:36 |
@preaction | you make enough scratch to afford that? | 06:36 |
+patspam | is LI expensive? | 06:36 |
+patspam | we're in a share house with a few other PhD students, so the rent is really good | 06:37 |
@preaction | it's very near NYC, which is like the most expensive city to live in the entire world | 06:38 |
@preaction | well, maybe except New Delhi | 06:38 |
+patspam | heh yeah I've heard that! rent there sounds insane | 06:38 |
+patspam | but we're a good 1.5-2hrs out of nyc, so a bit more reasonable | 06:38 |
+patspam | I'm moving in november | 06:39 |
@preaction | we'll all have to come crash your pad | 06:40 |
+patspam | heh for sure! open invitation :) | 06:41 |
+perlDreamer | so you're going to fly over in September, fly back, and then come back again in November? | 06:42 |
+perlDreamer | Rackin' up the frequent flyer miles for sure! | 06:43 |
+patspam | yeah, it's crazy | 06:43 |
+patspam | and fly back in jan for work stuff again! | 06:43 |
+patspam | heh and fly back to melb in September for WUC 2010 =D | 06:45 |
@preaction | really? that's where we're having it? | 06:45 |
+patspam | yeah didn't JT tell you? | 06:46 |
@preaction | nope | 06:46 |
+patspam | I made him sign it on paper after I got him drunk at the wuc last year | 06:47 |
@preaction | you must be joking, he doesn't drink | 06:47 |
+patspam | =p | 06:47 |
@preaction | he'd never do anything cool like fly 5 of us to Australia :( | 06:48 |
+patspam | s/cool/insane/ | 06:48 |
@preaction | on different flights of course. can't have an accident | 06:48 |
+patspam | hah good point, I should change Andy's flights too, currently we're on the same flight home together | 06:49 |
+perlDreamer | patspam, I think your profile "bug" is really a feature | 06:50 |
+perlDreamer | to prevent users from mucking up their profiles | 06:50 |
+patspam | but maybe a bug to allow the admin to set that combination? | 06:51 |
+perlDreamer | probably :) | 06:51 |
+patspam | I mean, the combination doesn't make sense anyway, so it's the user's fault | 06:51 |
+perlDreamer | it's one of those corner cases where WebGUI will let you shoot yourself in the foot | 06:51 |
+perlDreamer | but definitely, required should imply editable | 06:51 |
+perlDreamer | the same thing would happen at show at registration | 06:52 |
+perlDreamer | have y'all seen the 7.6.35.1 release? | 06:54 |
+patspam | .1? | 06:55 |
+perlDreamer | it fixes several embarrasing i18n mistakes I made in .35 | 06:56 |
+perlDreamer | and adds SquOnk's testCodebase fixes | 06:56 |
+perlDreamer | he said he wanted it to get into testing for "Sid", I think | 06:56 |
+perlDreamer | apparently our weekly releases prevent us from getting into Debian testing | 06:56 |
+perlDreamer | since any release has to be out for 10 days | 06:56 |
+perlDreamer | anyway, 7.6.35.1 is a code-only release | 06:57 |
+perlDreamer | no packages, database changes, or upgrade script | 06:57 |
+perlDreamer | so you can overlay over .35 | 06:57 |
+perlDreamer | and still upgrade to 7.7 later | 06:57 |
+patspam | interesting | 06:58 |
@preaction | should a library of constants be called WebGUI::Constant or WebGUI::Var? | 06:58 |
@preaction | Constant i think | 06:59 |
+perlDreamer | Constant | 07:00 |
+perlDreamer | also, 7.6.35.1 is unofficial | 07:00 |
+perlDreamer | it's from pDC, and not PB | 07:00 |
+patspam | pDC++ | 07:14 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12131 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Account/Inbox.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Fix broken, inconsistent friend wholeName. Bug 10782. | 09:22 |
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+perlDreamer | patspam: I'd consider it a large favor if you submitted a bug about the missing Help in the Inbox as well. | 09:35 |
+patspam | perlDreamer: I'm currently wading through SMS, it's pretty broken atm | 09:35 |
+patspam | WebGUI::Inbox::Message::create does not pass isInbox flag to WebGUI::Mail::Send::create so sms preferences are never used | 09:36 |
+patspam | unable to enter a valid SMS gateway setting because field type set to email address but sms gateway code assumes a domain only | 09:36 |
+patspam | and.. | 09:36 |
+patspam | SMS notifications are currently sent with Inbox email notification template, which is html, and > 160 chars | 09:36 |
+patspam | both of which you don't want for sms | 09:37 |
+perlDreamer | I'll look at those tomorrow. | 09:39 |
+patspam | I'm working through them now, will push up a branch | 09:39 |
+patspam | for you to review | 09:39 |
+perlDreamer | makes me wonder about the SMS tests | 09:40 |
+perlDreamer | but for now, sleep. | 09:40 |
+patspam | yeah, I saw some that test User::getInboxAddresses, but that never gets called | 09:41 |
+patspam | ok, ttyl man | 09:41 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12132 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Account/Inbox.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): fix bug #10783 copy sender in the Inbox. | 09:45 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: patspam * r12133 /WebGUI/ (13 files in 11 dirs): (log message trimmed) | 12:47 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Fixed a whole lot of brokenness in Inbox SMS/Email notifications | 12:47 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: WebGUI::Inbox::Message::create now passes isInbox flag to WebGUI::Mail::Send::create | 12:47 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: so that per-user notification settings get used | 12:47 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: SMS Gateway setting field is now 'text' instead of 'email' so that user can enter a | 12:47 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: properly formed value (such as 'myemailgateway.com', which is not an email address). | 12:47 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Added SMS notification template as distinct from email notification template because | 12:47 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: patspam * r12135 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/ExpireIncompleteSurveyResponses.pm: | 13:24 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Minor bug fix for ExpireIncompleteSurveyResponses | 13:24 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Removed unnecessary sql clause from ExpireIncompleteSurveyResponses | 13:24 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: workflow activity | 13:24 |
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SquOnk | Greetings | 17:01 |
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+perlDreamer | morning, folks | 19:53 |
@Haarg | morning | 19:54 |
+perlDreamer | For some odd reason, I feel like fixing bugs today | 19:54 |
@Haarg | i don't think anyone would have a problem with that | 19:55 |
+perlDreamer | phew | 19:55 |
@preaction | wait! no fixing bugs at all today! I want you slacking all day! | 19:56 |
@preaction | there are solar flares affecting our RAMdisks, we can't fix bugs today | 19:56 |
@Haarg | since you asked at some point last week, for wgdev i'm using github's issue tracker: http://github.com/haarg/wgdev/issues | 19:56 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, it turned out to be another Matrix issue | 19:57 |
@Haarg | yeah, i saw that | 19:58 |
+perlDreamer | so you're off the hook | 20:00 |
@Haarg | either way, be sure to post any bugs/rfes/etc there | 20:01 |
+perlDreamer | I guess that fixing the Matrix would be considered out of scope on that board. | 20:01 |
@Haarg | yes :) | 20:01 |
@Haarg | although if something was leading you to believe it was a wgd problem, there may be room for improvement | 20:02 |
+perlDreamer | well, it puked pretty badly on the bad package, but it was the same kind of vomitus produced by WebGUI itself. | 20:03 |
+perlDreamer | being a father, I'm a relative expert in the identification of bodily exudations | 20:03 |
@Haarg | i really wish mysql didn't rely on the file system exclusively for its table names | 20:03 |
@Haarg | create.sql is generated differently depending on if i generate it or you do - it sorts the tables case insensitive for me | 20:05 |
@Haarg | that doesn't cause any problems really, but it does make the file history more annoying to deal with. | 20:06 |
+perlDreamer | because you're running it on MacOSX? | 20:06 |
+perlDreamer | can we ask for a case insensitive dump? | 20:06 |
@Haarg | not that i know of | 20:06 |
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+perlDreamer | tavisto: ping | 20:49 |
@tavisto | who dares disturb the wizard? | 20:50 |
+perlDreamer | Is Matrix search supposed to have search terms OR'ed together, or AND'ed ? | 20:50 |
@tavisto | um... | 20:50 |
@tavisto | I believe AND'ed | 20:50 |
+perlDreamer | okay | 20:50 |
@tavisto | multiple search terms which stack on each other | 20:50 |
+perlDreamer | I'll see if I can fix that, too. | 20:51 |
@tavisto | php, apache, open source, user management = matching results | 20:51 |
@tavisto | JT went thru the results (except for the costs fields) and so the search options are consolidated into only a few options for each "system requirements" fields | 20:51 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12136 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 21:40 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Clean-up Matrix search template JS. | 21:40 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Add link back to main matrix screen. | 21:40 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Make initial search results match search form defaults. | 21:40 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: fixes #10766, 10786 | 21:40 |
+perlDreamer | that's for you, tavisto | 21:41 |
@tavisto | oooh what is this | 21:41 |
@tavisto | Coolio so does the search screen start out blank then? | 21:42 |
+perlDreamer | yes and no | 21:43 |
+perlDreamer | If the default settings for the search form do not match any product, then it's blank | 21:43 |
+perlDreamer | otherwise you get the products that match the default search form values | 21:43 |
+perlDreamer | also, I added a link back to the main matrix screen | 21:43 |
+perlDreamer | because it didn't have one | 21:43 |
@tavisto | great, yeah they should be blank then | 21:43 |
@tavisto | Would it be possible to put in a brief message above those results? | 21:44 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto: you paste, I'll copy ;) | 21:45 |
+perlDreamer | also, this is in 7.7, not 7.6 | 21:46 |
+perlDreamer | you can always modify your template to get that message back in 7.6 | 21:46 |
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+BartJol | we're a bit behind tavisto: The topic for #webgui is: [7.6.31-stable | 7.7.14-beta | 21:50 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12137 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Document matrix search template navigation fix. | 21:54 |
@tavisto | how is this: Welcome to the CMSmatrix real-time search engine. To begin your search, select options on the right side of the screen and the CMS products which match your criteria will appear below. | 21:58 |
@tavisto | Note: Please understand that you can only compare a maximum of 10 products at a time. If your search returns more than 10 products, uncheck the excess products and include them in another comparison afterwards. | 21:58 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto, a message that specific should be done to the CMSmatrix templates, since the number of products to compare is an asset property. | 21:58 |
@tavisto | ... | 21:59 |
+perlDreamer | It wouldn't be good to make that part of the default Matrix templates | 21:59 |
@tavisto | ah | 21:59 |
+perlDreamer | you'd mess up the Dog Matrix, Messaging Matrix, Software Affiliates Matrix, etc. | 22:00 |
@tavisto | good point, duh | 22:00 |
+perlDreamer | maybe we need a Beer matrix | 22:02 |
+perlDreamer | in it, we have a category called "Taste", which is a Matrix Compare field | 22:02 |
+perlDreamer | it has entries "Yes", "No", "Limited", "Costs extra". | 22:03 |
+BartJol | well, that's a plan | 22:03 |
@tavisto | I spose we could do something generic like this then: "Welcome to the ^C real-time search engine. To begin your search, select options at the right and the results which match your criteria will appear below. Please note that you can only compare up to 10 results at a time." | 22:03 |
+BartJol | is 10 also default? and not adjustable? | 22:03 |
+perlDreamer | 10 is adjustable | 22:03 |
@tavisto | hmm.. that's a good question. I thought that was fixed but let me look | 22:04 |
+perlDreamer | Tavisto, since I have to i18n that, how about: "To begin your search, select options at the right and the results which match your criteria will appear below" | 22:04 |
+BartJol | ah, and who has to translate that to Dutch,eh? | 22:05 |
+perlDreamer | Martin | 22:05 |
+BartJol | ah, ok | 22:05 |
@tavisto | hmm.. i see a field for maximum comparisons | 22:05 |
+BartJol | ok, I have o get back to my bug fixing business | 22:05 |
+perlDreamer | that's it, tavisto | 22:06 |
@tavisto | it shows 10 but I'm not sure if that's how many comparisons can be made or how many results are allowed per comparison. Help file isn't overly specific | 22:06 |
@tavisto | the help popup says "specifies how many comparisons are allowed in searches and comparisons | 22:06 |
@tavisto | " gee thanks.. | 22:06 |
@tavisto | I think your suggestion works fine perldreamer. LETS JUST DO EVERYTHING YOUUUUUUUU wanna do! | 22:07 |
@tavisto | That little line seems obvious, but you wouldn't believe how many people don't understand how the search works now | 22:07 |
+perlDreamer | I want to take the day off and eat pizza. | 22:07 |
@tavisto | I got 2 pieces left | 22:08 |
+BartJol | stale? | 22:08 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto, we can improve the help, too. | 22:08 |
+perlDreamer | how 'bout this. Please file bugs for all the changes that you want for i18n and messages. | 22:08 |
+perlDreamer | My boss says that if it's a posted bug in the core, I can fix it | 22:09 |
+BartJol | eeeh, I thought you were your own boss | 22:10 |
+perlDreamer | also, does it seem odd to that for a default Matrix, that Visitors can compare 25 things, but registered users can only compare 10? | 22:10 |
+perlDreamer | Customer/client boss. | 22:10 |
+BartJol | ah the customer is king | 22:11 |
+perlDreamer | indeed, it's why it's so important to cultivate great customers. | 22:11 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12138 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): | 22:39 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Entangle the required and editable properties of Profile fields. | 22:39 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Add tests. Update i18n for required property hover help. | 22:39 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Upgrade script to set editable=1 on all required fields. | 22:39 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: fixes #10781 | 22:39 |
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@preaction | daviddelikat: when you updated the Search page, did you allow selecting multiple statuses? | 22:56 |
@preaction | also, is there anything stopping me from releasing the HelpDesk to Plainblack.com? | 22:56 |
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+BartJol | joh perlDreamer I think I'm getting it. the idea is that during pasting of a Post (for instance) first it is tried to look at the asset whether that has that nethodm if so, that is executed. | 23:01 |
+BartJol | With the SUPER method, the global asset paste method is executed (for pasting of a post), then some post specific stuff. | 23:01 |
@preaction | BartJol, perlDreamer, if I were to make a Planet WebGUI on webgui.org, do you have a blog I could aggregate? | 23:13 |
@preaction | I want to get into the Perl Ironman, and i want that blog to be on webgui.org, so i need other people to join me on webgui.org | 23:13 |
+BartJol | preaction: unfortunately not | 23:13 |
+BartJol | but perlDreamer , am I thinking in the right direction? | 23:14 |
+BartJol | well preaction, sure I want to join, but since I still am kindof a beginning programmer, I am not sure how much posts I can generate | 23:30 |
@preaction | doesn't have to be about programming at all | 23:30 |
+BartJol | but for attention for WebGUI and perl it does sound like a good idea | 23:30 |
@preaction | just about WebGUI, or things that WebGUI users would be interested in | 23:30 |
@preaction | like, i'll be adding the Plain Black Staff Blog to it, which Vrby posts to (he's not a designer or programmer, but has nice posts about WebGUI and business) | 23:31 |
+BartJol | well, that should be possible | 23:31 |
@preaction | the idea is that the blog is elsewhere and we pull it in to planet webgui. | 23:31 |
@preaction | but i can add a blog for people to post to on the webgui.org site as well | 23:32 |
+BartJol | so I could make a post about fixing my first bug | 23:32 |
@preaction | i'm going to do some experimenting and come up with something by the end of the week so i don't lose my momentum on this | 23:32 |
@preaction | indeed | 23:32 |
+BartJol | or the perrels of translating | 23:32 |
@preaction | yeah, blog posts about the i18n would be great, getting more exposure for that feature | 23:32 |
@preaction | but i gotta run, i'll be back (unfortunatly probably after you're asleep) | 23:33 |
+BartJol | still up for 1 oe 2 hours | 23:33 |
@preaction | i'll let you know when everything's ready, but if you want you can start writing. i want to get myself a few articles queued up before i begin in earnest | 23:33 |
+BartJol | :) | 23:33 |
mducharme-work | wow, a lot less bugs than there were last week | 23:53 |
+BartJol | still enough to do | 23:57 |
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+BartJol | but PB and Colin (and more) are doing their best | 00:00 |
mducharme-work | it's impressive how fast that list is getting whittled down though | 00:00 |
+BartJol | it sure is | 00:00 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction: patspam already has one set up for WebGUI | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | BartJol, that's exactly right | 00:40 |
+BartJol | perlDreamer: preaction is gone for a while | 00:40 |
+BartJol | ah, jipey | 00:40 |
+BartJol | ans super diggs further when it cannot find it 1 "level" earlier? | 00:41 |
+perlDreamer | well, when the method is called, it always checks the Asset own class first, and then parent classes | 00:42 |
+perlDreamer | by using SUPER, we can tell the method in _our_ class to call methods in other classes as well | 00:42 |
+BartJol | mmm, now it is done with a list, so a check whether it is a POst is required | 00:43 |
+BartJol | in Post.pm | 00:43 |
+perlDreamer | well, we're not going to subclass www_restoreList | 00:45 |
+perlDreamer | inside that sub, we're going to iterate over all the assets to restore | 00:45 |
+BartJol | yes | 00:45 |
+perlDreamer | and call $asset->restore on each one | 00:45 |
+BartJol | ah | 00:45 |
+perlDreamer | the restore method for Post will include the recounting | 00:46 |
+BartJol | check | 00:46 |
+perlDreamer | daviddelikat: ping | 00:51 |
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+BartJol | perlDreamer: it seems to work! | 01:07 |
+perlDreamer | awesome! | 01:07 |
+perlDreamer | which bug do you want to work on next? | 01:07 |
+BartJol | now, I'm gonna test whether other assets are also restored | 01:08 |
+BartJol | it is! | 01:08 |
+BartJol | jee | 01:08 |
+BartJol | well, I will post my code in the bug | 01:09 |
+BartJol | eeeh, next bug... | 01:09 |
+perlDreamer | just kidding | 01:11 |
+BartJol | well, I would not mind, but it is better if I work slowly up | 01:12 |
+perlDreamer | we're down to basically 8 fixable core bugs | 01:15 |
+perlDreamer | 5 for the map | 01:15 |
+perlDreamer | resizable textareas, v2 | 01:15 |
+perlDreamer | CS # replies bug | 01:15 |
+perlDreamer | HTTP vs HTTPS caching | 01:16 |
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+BartJol | well here it is http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/10758 | 01:18 |
+BartJol | fixable in reasonable time for you or me? | 01:19 |
+perlDreamer | definitely | 01:19 |
+perlDreamer | let's fold it in now | 01:19 |
+BartJol | ah, then I also am able to upgrade again | 01:21 |
+BartJol | thansk for all the help! | 01:22 |
+BartJol | I owe you a beer | 01:23 |
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+perlDreamer | BartJol: how does this look: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=12139 | 01:27 |
+perlDreamer | I made one small change, keeping the canEdit check inside www_restoreList instead of inside restore | 01:27 |
+perlDreamer | that's the way cut, delete and the others are done | 01:27 |
+perlDreamer | permission checks are only done in web facing methods | 01:27 |
+BartJol | I saw | 01:28 |
+BartJol | looks better indeed | 01:28 |
+BartJol | I apparently was laze and copied the whole line ;) | 01:29 |
+BartJol | lazy | 01:29 |
+BartJol | thanks | 01:30 |
+perlDreamer | you're welcome. Thank you for taking the time to fix that for me. | 01:30 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: i was thinking one on webgui.org would be more official, though we could certainly pull in everything from patspam's | 01:30 |
+perlDreamer | that makes sense, but it is nice having a piece of WebGUI community that's not on webgui.org | 01:31 |
@preaction | that's why it's just an aggregator, not a blog | 01:32 |
@preaction | my blog will be www.whateverifindforagooddomainname.com | 01:32 |
@preaction | the pb staff blog will still be the pb staff blog | 01:32 |
+perlDreamer | who owns www.preaction.com? | 01:32 |
@preaction | not me | 01:33 |
+BartJol | but it is a good site as it is | 01:33 |
+BartJol | not too much info | 01:34 |
+perlDreamer | seems a little washed out to me | 01:34 |
+BartJol | well, there is an image | 01:34 |
+BartJol | 1*! | 01:34 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: not to steal you thunder, but can we talk Map bugs? | 01:35 |
+perlDreamer | Here's what I was thinking. We should divide the labor. | 01:35 |
+perlDreamer | You fix the map bugs, and I'll watch and be in awe of your coding prowess and skills. | 01:35 |
+BartJol | yeah, assign all to Bart and you're gonna drink beer in the bar | 01:36 |
@preaction | i'm thinking something completely unrelated to my net handle. like "jumphope.com" or something | 01:36 |
@preaction | dopesfloat.com | 01:36 |
+perlDreamer | dougbell.com? | 01:36 |
@preaction | soapfloats! | 01:37 |
+BartJol | http://www.thatweirdguy.com/ | 01:37 |
@preaction | popefloats! | 01:37 |
@preaction | coatfloats? | 01:38 |
+perlDreamer | rootbeerfloats | 01:38 |
+perlDreamer | coat floats are high in fiber | 01:38 |
@preaction | npopefloats or soapfloats are much more awesome | 01:38 |
+BartJol | hotseflots.com | 01:38 |
+perlDreamer | so.... | 01:38 |
+perlDreamer | 'bout them Map bugs | 01:38 |
@preaction | memorable, pronouncable, not confusing | 01:39 |
@preaction | right | 01:39 |
+BartJol | ok, I'm off, my mom says I must go to bed | 01:39 |
@preaction | uh... well... hows aboot tomorrow after i finish the morning shift on the support boards? | 01:39 |
+perlDreamer | 'night, BartJol | 01:40 |
+BartJol | merci | 01:40 |
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+perlDreamer | that works for me, preaction. If you tell me what needs to be done on a bug, I'd fix it for you, too. | 01:40 |
@preaction | with the three-four people who have been variously on and off the support boards, i'm trying to get the mess cleaned up | 01:40 |
@preaction | okay, let me pull up two of the bugs and see | 01:41 |
+perlDreamer | otherwise, I'm going to ponder cap10morgan's HTTP/HTTPS bug | 01:41 |
+cap10morgan | woooo! | 01:41 |
@preaction | the No Save Button one is easy, just add one. | 01:41 |
+perlDreamer | what/how should it submit? | 01:42 |
@Haarg | i'm working on the codearea/textarea bugs | 01:42 |
+perlDreamer | I downsized them to 1 bug. | 01:42 |
@preaction | there should be a "save()" function in the map.js | 01:42 |
+perlDreamer | so it should be half the work, Haarg | 01:42 |
@Haarg | heh | 01:42 |
@preaction | 10552 <- this is a problem in the IntSlider not setting itself correctly when loading | 01:43 |
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@Haarg | also, i just merged the exceptions/help stuff into wgdev/master | 01:43 |
+perlDreamer | I'll switch back to master then | 01:43 |
@Haarg | so anyone interested i would appreciate any testing | 01:44 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: where does one find map.js? | 01:44 |
+perlDreamer | snippet, template, file? | 01:44 |
@preaction | www/extras/yui-webgui/build/map/map.js | 01:44 |
@Haarg | back later | 01:44 |
+perlDreamer | ah, yes, editPointSave | 01:45 |
+perlDreamer | GEvent? | 01:45 |
+perlDreamer | wth? | 01:45 |
@preaction | don't ask. god don't ask | 01:46 |
@preaction | it's horrible | 01:46 |
@preaction | if you want, change it to use YUI Event, much nicer | 01:47 |
+perlDreamer | no, I'd rather go fight HTTP/HTTPS issues | 01:47 |
@preaction | fine be that way | 01:47 |
+perlDreamer | you've got Google Code in the YUI! | 01:47 |
@preaction | quitter | 01:47 |
@preaction | there has to be google code, it's a goooooooogle map! | 01:47 |
+perlDreamer | it's too much, Captain. She canna' handle it! | 01:48 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12139 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 01:56 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Make Threads recalculate the number of replies when restoring a Post from the Trash. | 01:56 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Fixes bug #10758. | 01:56 |
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+perlDreamer | hm, int slider works okay in the user profile... | 02:03 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction: is the Google MAP API key good for any domain, or only the 1 domain that I register? | 02:23 |
@preaction | for every domain you need a key | 02:23 |
@preaction | that's why the key auto-fills with any other Map key if you have more than one Map on a site | 02:24 |
@preaction | sometimes it's the little touches that make great software ;) | 02:24 |
* preaction goes exercising | 02:25 | |
+perlDreamer | sweat on, brother | 02:25 |
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+perlDreamer | ah ha, it doesn't work in the user profile | 02:38 |
+perlDreamer | well, it will now ;) | 02:44 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: Fix the IntSlider integer input box. It was displaying 0 regardless of the actual | 03:18 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: value of the slider. | 03:18 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Fixes bug #10552. | 03:18 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: graham * r12142 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fixed #10739: Textarea and Codearea resize don't work in IE or Webkit browsers | 19:09 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: graham * r12143 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fixed #10739: Textarea and Codearea resize don't work in IE or Webkit browsers | 19:09 |
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+perlDreamer | Morning, webgui-type people. | 19:12 |
@Haarg | morning | 19:12 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, what's the deal with 7.6.35-1? | 19:13 |
+perlDreamer | I'm forking WebGUI, and taking you PB guys head to head! | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | well... not really | 19:14 |
@preaction | NOOOOOOOOOOOO | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | 7.6.35.1 fixes some i18n mistakes that were added to .35 | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | and includes changes to testCodebase that SquOnk requested, to make testing easier | 19:14 |
@Haarg | well, i just added the fixes for the textarea/codearea | 19:16 |
+perlDreamer | Based on what SquOnk said about Debian, I think we should reconsider our release policy | 19:17 |
+perlDreamer | for a package to make it into Debian testing, it can't be followed by a new version for 10 days | 19:18 |
+perlDreamer | which basically locks us out until the next stable is released | 19:18 |
@Haarg | doing alternating weeks for releases would be an easy change. i guess ask jt what he thinks. | 19:19 |
+perlDreamer | is he conventioning still? | 19:19 |
@Haarg | he's in the office | 19:19 |
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+perlDreamer | I'll see if I can't dig up the IRC log, and I'll ship him a copy for reference | 19:22 |
+perlDreamer | how hard was the resize fix? | 19:23 |
@Haarg | not hard | 19:23 |
@Haarg | it didn't take long, i just kept getting distracted with other things | 19:24 |
+perlDreamer | hm, looking back at the log, it appears the problem may be easier to solve than changing the release on our end. | 19:25 |
+perlDreamer | as long as SquOnk doesn't release weekly, then we can automatically be moved up to Squeezy | 19:25 |
+perlDreamer | but he's been tracking our releases, which is nice | 19:26 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: with an explicit number of rows and columns, are the initial sizes correct? | 19:34 |
@Haarg | those are required attributes, which is why i put them in. they get overridden anyway. | 19:34 |
@Haarg | resize.reset() | 19:34 |
+perlDreamer | cool | 19:35 |
+perlDreamer | wow. That was fast! | 20:22 |
@preaction | it's MadMongers day, so we're all here | 20:24 |
+perlDreamer | Hail, hail, mad mongers are here (chanted to the tune of Yale Boola) | 20:28 |
+perlDreamer | now, time for me to go to the gym | 20:29 |
* perlDreamer is back | 22:22 | |
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* perlDreamer feeds kids | 22:44 | |
+perlDreamer | bbiaw | 22:44 |
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+perlDreamer | oh, brother | 23:26 |
@preaction | amen, brother | 23:26 |
+perlDreamer | Is it general practice to put setenviroment.sh into your .bashrc? | 23:27 |
@preaction | i do | 23:27 |
@Haarg | on our servers we have it linked into /etc/profile.d | 23:27 |
+perlDreamer | I have some anecdotal evidence that doing that breaks yum on CentOS 5.3 | 23:28 |
@Haarg | i have my own install of everything of course so i don't use it locally | 23:28 |
+perlDreamer | I set up a VM, installed the WRE, setenvironment.sh, wreconsole.pl | 23:28 |
+perlDreamer | then tried to run yum update | 23:28 |
+perlDreamer | and it puked | 23:28 |
+perlDreamer | I removed setenv.sh from my .bashrc, and logged out and back in again | 23:29 |
+perlDreamer | and yum starts working | 23:29 |
@Haarg | could be DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH | 23:29 |
@Haarg | i've had it cause problems with other programs in the past | 23:29 |
+perlDreamer | the error that I get is an XML parsing problem with python and yum | 23:30 |
+perlDreamer | so maybe there's some issue with the libxml that the WRE ships with? | 23:31 |
@preaction | yeah, that's WRE-related. i got it all the time when i was using debian-based systems and apt-get | 23:31 |
@preaction | different API version probably | 23:31 |
daviddelikat | what is the purpose of gist.github? | 23:32 |
@Haarg | about the same as pastebin | 23:32 |
+perlDreamer | nopaste -S gist -x FTW! | 23:33 |
@Haarg | i just have gist set as my default service | 23:33 |
daviddelikat | so can you use it like a clipboard? | 23:34 |
+perlDreamer | it's a paste service, just like webgui.pastebin.com | 23:35 |
daviddelikat | I'm tyring to figure out what these lines about 'nopaste' and 'default service' mean. | 23:36 |
@Haarg | App::Nopaste | 23:37 |
+perlDreamer | nopaste is an application for submitting command line content to different paste services | 23:37 |
@Haarg | allows you to easily paste stuff to a number of paste services from the command line | 23:37 |
daviddelikat | can it get the text back as well? | 23:37 |
@Haarg | you can give it files, pipe content to it, or tell it to use the clipboard | 23:37 |
+perlDreamer | sure, just download your own paste | 23:38 |
daviddelikat | it woudl be so much easier when going from vm to vm than messing with the local unreliable clipboard | 23:38 |
daviddelikat | cool I'll have to look into it | 23:38 |
@Haarg | it doesn't have a facility for retrieving from a paste service | 23:39 |
daviddelikat | Haarg: i have a question/comment about helpdesk meta field sorting... you got a minute? | 23:39 |
@Haarg | sure | 23:39 |
daviddelikat | I did most of the wqork addign it to HD but when I got to the actual sort I found that in order to do it I would have to perform a join to the meta data table,... very messy because each field is one row... | 23:40 |
daviddelikat | did you have any ideas on how to implement this feature? | 23:40 |
@Haarg | well, for sorting you should only ever need one field right? so if you had just a join and a where clause it would probably work, although it may be a bit slow. | 23:42 |
+perlDreamer | you could promote it to an asset property, instead of metadata | 23:42 |
@Haarg | promote what? | 23:42 |
+perlDreamer | the one metadata field | 23:42 |
daviddelikat | I was considering adding sortable fields to the index | 23:42 |
@Haarg | you should be able to sort on any of the metadata though. | 23:43 |
daviddelikat | searchable fields already get added | 23:43 |
daviddelikat | so you weren't expecting a 'sortable' option for the meta field... | 23:44 |
@Haarg | oh, an option like you have it is fine | 23:45 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, I was thinking that if joining the metadata values table was too slow, then it could be made an asset property. | 23:45 |
@Haarg | i just mean, taking one particular meta field and saying we want to sort on it and adding it to the core asset properties doesn't make sense | 23:45 |
+perlDreamer | not core asset properties, just for Ticket. | 23:46 |
+perlDreamer | I don't understand the reason it was made metadata vs an asset property in the first place | 23:46 |
@Haarg | the reason what was made metadata? | 23:47 |
daviddelikat | the helpdesk meta data is actual a user customization feature | 23:47 |
daviddelikat | its not really a very good name for it. | 23:47 |
@Haarg | metadata fields in help desk are configured by the user, yeah. and they are different for each help desk. | 23:47 |
+perlDreamer | so HD metadata is not the same as good ol' fashioned asset metadata? | 23:47 |
daviddelikat | exactly | 23:47 |
daviddelikat | hence nto a good name | 23:48 |
daviddelikat | too much confusion | 23:48 |
+perlDreamer | then I'm talking out of the wrong side of my keyboard | 23:48 |
+perlDreamer | I apologize for the sidetrack | 23:48 |
daviddelikat | not problem, do you have any ideas now that you know the real problem? | 23:48 |
+perlDreamer | no | 23:49 |
* perlDreamer has no idea how it works | 23:49 | |
@Haarg | well, we are only sorting on one column at a time right? | 23:49 |
@Haarg | so just having a join with a where clause would probably work | 23:49 |
daviddelikat | so I was thinking that we could just add sortable fields to the index and then we just join the index, or just use only the index, but I'm not sure how that will work in the code | 23:50 |
daviddelikat | you mean joining the meta data table to the ticket table | 23:50 |
@Haarg | yeah | 23:51 |
daviddelikat | you don't think that number of rows will be prohibitive? | 23:51 |
@Haarg | i'm not sure | 23:51 |
daviddelikat | if we have 2 meta fields on 10,000 tickets that would join 20,000 rows to the ticket table | 23:51 |
daviddelikat | simply to display 25-100 of those rows | 23:52 |
+perlDreamer | use a limit clause? | 23:53 |
+perlDreamer | unless you're doing client side sorting in the datatable? | 23:53 |
daviddelikat | the sql engine cann pick the rows from ticket rather quickly base on indexes, but the joined rows would be another story | 23:53 |
daviddelikat | no its server side sorting, that is why it is a problem | 23:53 |
daviddelikat | client side would not be an issue because all the data is there. | 23:54 |
@Haarg | on the subject of gist, i haven't use it but there is this: http://github.com/defunkt/gist/blob/f36b74b1c0272f6d1a8969aa9611c08fd30be2f7/gist.rb | 23:54 |
@Haarg | which can post to and retreive from gist | 23:54 |
daviddelikat | awesome... | 23:55 |
daviddelikat | the first ruby program i'll ever use | 23:56 |
daviddelikat | at least until i re-write it | 23:56 |
+perlDreamer | in perl! | 23:58 |
daviddelikat | what else? | 23:58 |
+perlDreamer | it would be nice to extend App::Nopaste to do that | 23:59 |
daviddelikat | problem is I'd have to learn ruby to figure out whats going on inhere | 23:59 |
@Haarg | curl http://gist.github.com/103936.txt | 23:59 |
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@Haarg | that simple i guess | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | not bad | 00:04 |
@Haarg | you can also git clone git://gist.github.com/103936.git | 00:07 |
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+perlDreamer | okay, who turned off the intertubes? | 00:15 |
+perlDreamer | in the wiki instructions for making your own SSL cert for the WRE, what does "remove passphrase" mean? | 00:22 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/admin/wiki/configuring-webgui-for-ssl-https | 00:23 |
@Haarg | it means the instructions should be changed | 00:28 |
@Haarg | that first command should be openssl genrsa -out server.key 1024 | 00:28 |
@Haarg | there is another command to decrypt the server key, but i don't remember what it is offhand | 00:29 |
daviddelikat | Haarg: is there mad mongers tonight? | 00:30 |
@Haarg | yes | 00:30 |
daviddelikat | make my day... | 00:31 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, i see what is confusing on that page | 00:32 |
@Haarg | there's a reset style on it | 00:32 |
@Haarg | so the lists aren't indenting properly | 00:32 |
+perlDreamer | is it coming out of wg2009.css? | 00:37 |
@Haarg | yes | 00:37 |
+perlDreamer | setting the margin to 10px prevents them from nesting? | 00:41 |
@Haarg | 10? | 00:41 |
@Haarg | * { margin: 0; padding: 0 } | 00:41 |
+perlDreamer | oh. * | 00:41 |
@Haarg | it kills all margins and padding on everything | 00:42 |
+perlDreamer | I've got a prototype fix that I've tested with firebug, can I try modding wg2009.css? | 00:45 |
+perlDreamer | I just made the ul CSS rule to be ul,ol | 00:45 |
@Haarg | ah | 00:45 |
@Haarg | i didn't check for an ul rules | 00:46 |
@Haarg | yeah, feel free | 00:46 |
+perlDreamer | I'll leave a good commit note | 00:46 |
@Haarg | i filed a bug on it | 00:46 |
@Haarg | i wasn't sure if the current behavior was depended on in some way, but if it only is an issue for ol i'm sure it is fine to change | 00:46 |
+perlDreamer | well, once I make the tag I'll surf the site and look for strange rendering in other areas before committing it | 00:50 |
+perlDreamer | left and top navs work okay | 00:54 |
+perlDreamer | I was worried about them since I know some of them are based on lists | 00:54 |
+perlDreamer | man, all I really wanted to do was set up SSL so that I could work on cap10morgan's HTTPS bug | 00:57 |
+perlDreamer | what a day! | 00:57 |
@preaction | i'm writing a presentation on my Map asset, and now i'm seeing all the screwups and "WTFs" | 01:11 |
+perlDreamer | I hear that there may be some posted, bugs, too | 01:12 |
@preaction | yeah, i can probably get to all this during the week. my support days are Mon and Tues | 01:14 |
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@Haarg | we still need to test teh flag that disables that as a prereq | 03:51 |
@Haarg | *the | 03:51 |
+perlDreamer | not to be pendantic, but on how many browsers has the latest resize fix been tested? | 03:52 |
@Haarg | firefox 3.5, ie6, opera, safari 4 | 03:54 |
+perlDreamer | that's pretty good! | 04:35 |
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perigrin | what no lynx? | 04:37 |
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+perlDreamer | when I try to start mysqld via wreconsole, or wreservice, it says it did not start, but there are new mysql processes that were started | 04:44 |
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wgGuest67 | hello | 05:40 |
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+perlDreamer | howdy wgGuest67 | 05:54 |
+perlDreamer | do you have any WebGUI questions? | 05:54 |
wgGuest67 | yes ihave been trying to set up on a centos system | 06:00 |
wgGuest67 | i just posted on the forums about ispconfig and wre if they work togeather | 06:01 |
wgGuest67 | im going to install it in the am and see what happens, im not sure on porting in ispconfig | 06:02 |
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+perlDreamer | I haven't heard of ispconfig before. | 06:05 |
+perlDreamer | Are you trying to setup the whole WRE, or just WebGUI itself? | 06:05 |
wgGuest67 | http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-centos-5.3-i386-ispconfig-2 | 06:07 |
+perlDreamer | ah, I see | 06:08 |
wgGuest67 | i used how to forge to set up centos server for mail, DNS and other stuff | 06:08 |
wgGuest67 | I had the server running at firts with only the webgui wre and dyndns.com doing my dns server | 06:09 |
wgGuest67 | it worked great but I could not use contact forms | 06:09 |
wgGuest67 | i know have a static IP and wanted to run the whole server from home | 06:10 |
wgGuest67 | I tried to do dns and sendmail with no luck thats why I just tried ispconfig | 06:11 |
+perlDreamer | the problem will be the email relaying for email | 06:12 |
+perlDreamer | since other email servers may not relay email from your dyndns account | 06:12 |
wgGuest67 | your correct thats why I want to do all from home and it appears the control panel in ispconfig will let me host my own email | 06:14 |
+perlDreamer | well, from your server can you send email, without using the contact forms, relaying through the sendmail on the server? | 06:15 |
wgGuest67 | i dont know if the two seperate mysql and apatche data bases | 06:15 |
+perlDreamer | that won't make a difference for sending email | 06:16 |
wgGuest67 | i dont know yet I just finshed configering server i could send outgoing mail before i reconfigerd with evolution email via root | 06:16 |
+perlDreamer | and you're using your local sendmail for outgoing email? | 06:17 |
wgGuest67 | i just configerd postfix | 06:18 |
wgGuest67 | i couldnt figer out why sendmail woulnt work | 06:18 |
wgGuest67 | i thought id try it with the new set up | 06:18 |
+perlDreamer | well, if you can use your local postfix to send outgoing email from Evolution, WebGUI should be able to use it, too | 06:19 |
wgGuest67 | in webgui in setting i was trying something like /etc/sbin/sendmail it never worked is that where i config it | 06:20 |
+perlDreamer | that is where you config it. | 06:21 |
wgGuest67 | what do most people put there etc/sbin/sendmail or etc/sbin/sendmail.sendmail or something diff? | 06:22 |
wgGuest67 | ill be putting in etc/sbin/postfix to start once i reinstall the wre | 06:23 |
+perlDreamer | most people put "localhost" | 06:23 |
+perlDreamer | but from the tooltip in the settings, you can also put the path to your MTA | 06:24 |
wgGuest67 | i did that and it never worked but that will be step one | 06:24 |
wgGuest67 | i tried everything that is why i reinstalled everything fresh and im going to try the new server set up according to howtoforge | 06:25 |
wgGuest67 | everything in the site worked great no problems but the contacts if all fails this time ill delete that page | 06:26 |
wgGuest67 | thankyou sir ill try and intsall the wre again on the fresh install and I hope all works | 06:28 |
+perlDreamer | good luck :) | 06:28 |
wgGuest67 | thanks goodnite | 06:29 |
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CIA-53 | WebGUI: patspam * r12144 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Minor fix - made subclass dependency explicit | 15:59 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: patspam * r12145 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/User.pm: User::delete should remove corresponding rows from inbox_messageState when delete user inbox rows | 15:59 |
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@Haarg | morning perlDreamer | 17:56 |
+perlDreamer | howdy, Haarg :) | 17:56 |
+perlDreamer | would this be a silly query to run: delete from message_inboxState where userId not in (select userId from users) | 17:57 |
+perlDreamer | silly with regard to speed | 17:58 |
@Haarg | i wouldn't think so, but you can always check explain to make sure it's not doing anything too silly | 18:00 |
+perlDreamer | explain? | 18:00 |
@Haarg | the mysql command | 18:01 |
@Haarg | so you can see what indexes it's hitting etc | 18:01 |
+perlDreamer | it only works on selects | 18:01 |
@Haarg | well, you can do select from ... for testing | 18:02 |
+perlDreamer | yeah! | 18:02 |
+perlDreamer | users has a userId index, that will help | 18:04 |
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+perlDreamer | How did Mad Mongers go last night? | 18:12 |
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@Haarg | went fine. got to hear about various things preaction hates. | 18:14 |
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+perlDreamer | all seems to be well, I must have avoided the list ;) | 18:18 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12146 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.7.17-7.7.18.pl): | 18:27 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: Document inbox_messageStates clean-up, and write an upgrade script to delete | 18:27 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: states from users who have already been deleted. | 18:27 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r1c3a061 / lib/WGDev/Help.pm : Remove code needed for extracting POD from merged script - http://bit.ly/2AI562 | 18:32 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r42f3001 / lib/WGDev/Command/Intro.pm : small improvements to intro docs | 18:32 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, when you have some time could you take a look at the wgd intro docs and let me know if there's anything major it's missing or anything else you think would be worth adding? | 18:38 |
+perlDreamer | will do. It'll probably be tomorrow during the release | 18:44 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: graham * r12147 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #10790: Data Form doesn't always auto-commit version tags | 18:44 |
CIA-53 | WebGUI: graham * r12148 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #10790: Data Form doesn't always auto-commit version tags | 18:44 |
+perlDreamer | that's a nasty one... | 18:44 |
+perlDreamer | I could use some help debugging a SSL setup on the WRE | 19:11 |
+perlDreamer | I followed the instructions on the wiki for a self-signed cert | 19:11 |
+perlDreamer | modified the config files in /data/wre/etc to enable SSL | 19:11 |
+perlDreamer | added sslEnabled to the WebGUI config file | 19:11 |
+perlDreamer | but when I try to access a URL using https it tells me that it can't reach the server | 19:12 |
+perlDreamer | there are no errors in the apache modproxy log file | 19:12 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 19:12 |
@Haarg | what changes did you make to the wre/etc files? | 19:12 |
+perlDreamer | I uncommented the section for SSL, and changed the IP address to be 127.0.0.1 | 19:12 |
+perlDreamer | oh, SELinux is set to be permissive, and the firewall is set to allow HTTPS | 19:13 |
@Haarg | you need to add a listen directive if you haven't | 19:13 |
+perlDreamer | I did, but it had the wrong IP address in it. 127.0.7.1 | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | thanks, Haarg. Now maybe I can get down to fixing the HTTPS/HTTP caching bug | 19:15 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r4853206 / etc/WebGUI.conf.original : example CDN configuration shouldn't be added to config | 21:07 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r39127b7 / t/Asset/Asset.t : add tests for url extensions - http://bit.ly/XzIsr | 21:07 |
@Haarg | i switched cia to report the commits through github instead of watching svn | 21:08 |
+perlDreamer | and it will still report pure svn commits? | 21:10 |
+perlDreamer | I mean, github is monitoring our SVN? | 21:11 |
@Haarg | it's mirroring our svn every 10 minutes | 21:11 |
@Haarg | nobody can commit to github yet | 21:11 |
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+perlDreamer | I'm testing a new Env method that encapsulates checks for SSL requests | 21:12 |
SquOnk | Greetings | 21:12 |
+perlDreamer | Howdy, SquOnk. | 21:12 |
+perlDreamer | Did you see the 7.6.35.1 release? | 21:12 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: A read your mail. My kid deleted it ;-) | 21:13 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: I've noticed it is NOT in the usual webgui download directory. | 21:13 |
+perlDreamer | I think I mentioned that | 21:13 |
+perlDreamer | there are no more 7.6 releases | 21:14 |
+perlDreamer | 7.6.35.1 is unofficial according to PB | 21:14 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: As 7.5.40.1 was. JT released that one just to allow the original Debian upload. | 21:14 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: So, where do I download it? | 21:15 |
+perlDreamer | from the Bazaar | 21:15 |
+perlDreamer | I see there is a Community Release section on sf.net | 21:15 |
+perlDreamer | later today I'll put it there, too | 21:15 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Exactly. | 21:15 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: I need a pristine tar.gz | 21:15 |
+perlDreamer | you can get it from the Bazaar | 21:16 |
+perlDreamer | it'll be the same thing | 21:16 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Ok. As I wrote before, my kid deleted the e-mail message (don't ask). | 21:17 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Where do I look for it? | 21:17 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/bazaar | 21:17 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Found it. Never mind. | 21:17 |
+perlDreamer | please let me know when you've got it packaged, and I'll make sure there are no new releases for 10 days. | 21:19 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: If you hold on for about half and hour you'll be the first to know. | 21:20 |
+perlDreamer | I may be feeding my kids in an hour and a half, but I'll still be online ;) | 21:20 |
+perlDreamer | So what do kids in South America eat for lunch? | 21:20 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Cool. I'll work faster then. | 21:20 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Well, it depends. | 21:20 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: My kid is currently with his mother and grand-mother about 100 miles from here in her hometwon. | 21:21 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: But it's usually chicken/beef with either rice/potatoes. | 21:21 |
+perlDreamer | and he deleted your email from there? You kid has skillz | 21:21 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: There's always soup. | 21:21 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: lol | 21:21 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: The one day he spent in Caracas, he managed to delete it... he wanted to play tuxracer so he clicked randomly... | 21:22 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: There's always some beef/chicken-based broth with vegetables (carrots, zucchini, beans) | 21:23 |
+perlDreamer | soup is good | 21:23 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Sometimes minced, sometimes blended. | 21:23 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: I prepare a mean chicken noodle soup... | 21:23 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: ..._very_ spicy for grownups ;-) | 21:24 |
+perlDreamer | I like the sound of that! | 21:24 |
+perlDreamer | maybe we need a Developer Recipe forum | 21:24 |
+perlDreamer | for the hacker looking for mealtime ideas | 21:24 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Santiago (my son) loves my tuna-tomato pasta sauce | 21:24 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: ...I always sneak minced black olives in it so he doesn't complain. | 21:24 |
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SquOnk | perlDreamer: The secret of the sauce being a base of garlic, onions and _carrots_. | 21:25 |
+perlDreamer | carrots? | 21:25 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Once the carrots let go of its sugar, the tomatos lose acidity ;-) | 21:25 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: That's just a hacker using chemistry to his advantage. | 21:26 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: I've never used recipes per se. I hack the ingredients based on chemistry alone. | 21:26 |
+perlDreamer | I'm pretty lost without a recipe | 21:27 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: So, the sauce ends up being thick and silky, a tad sweet that gets corrected with a pinch of salt and pepper. If using tuna, I skip the salt. | 21:27 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: And since I'm half argentinian, I have the grilling & barbequeing chromosome | 21:28 |
Socrates | lol | 21:28 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Besides BBQing whatever piece of meat I tend to be creative with vegetables too. | 21:29 |
Socrates | i've been in ecuador/peru for 3 weeks, i think all i got was rice with chicken | 21:29 |
Socrates | shoulda gone to argentinia for some prime beef | 21:29 |
+perlDreamer | I could live on rice with protein for a very long time. | 21:29 |
Socrates | perlDreamer: after 3 weeks we finally went to som more tourist-minded places for some 'normal' food | 21:29 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Take a piece of aluminum foil. Place a clean whole large _beet_ in it. Add a teaspoon of butter/olive oil, parsley. Wrap it up. BBQ it. | 21:30 |
SquOnk | You can use white onions, red onions or even full garlic heads instead of beets. But believe me, roasted beet makes for a surprise side dish. | 21:30 |
+perlDreamer | my wife would love that | 21:31 |
+perlDreamer | I'll have to see how they are doing in the garden | 21:31 |
SquOnk | Another weird invention of mine came up in the middle of a BBQ session. | 21:31 |
SquOnk | You know this cardboard/aluminum cases for milk. Tetrabrik, I believe they're called. | 21:31 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1c9908f / (5 files in 3 dirs): | 21:31 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Encapsulate logic for determining if an SSL request has been made. | 21:31 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Refactor core modules to use that. - http://bit.ly/n921u | 21:31 |
+perlDreamer | I haven't heard of those. | 21:33 |
SquOnk | Well, as I was cooking, a discussion started on how difficult is to recycle Tetrabrik packs. I wasn't aware that they are made of entwined aluminum and cardboard... | 21:33 |
SquOnk | ...and we were drinking wine out of tetrabrik packs at the time, so I grabbed one of the empty ones and started fiddling with it (once a hacker, always a hacker). | 21:33 |
SquOnk | So, this is what I did with the other one. | 21:33 |
SquOnk | I washed the insides thoroughly to get rid of the remains of wine therein. I placed it above the grill to make sure it was dry on the inside. | 21:34 |
SquOnk | I diced potatoes and onions and stir fried them a couple of minutes | 21:35 |
SquOnk | Just to get them half way done. | 21:35 |
SquOnk | Four eggs. | 21:35 |
SquOnk | Mixed the half-cooked potatoes and onions with the raw egss. Poured that inside the tetrabrik pack. | 21:36 |
SquOnk | 7/8 of it were full. | 21:36 |
SquOnk | Shook it vigorously for half a minute or so. | 21:36 |
SquOnk | Then I stapled the tetrabrik shut and just placed it over the charcoal. | 21:37 |
SquOnk | The cardboard burnt. It looked like crap from outside. | 21:37 |
SquOnk | But thanks to the aluminums' hysteresis, the "spanish tortilla" inside came out _beautiful_. | 21:37 |
SquOnk | My only regret was not adding some sausage and bell peppers to it ;-) | 21:38 |
SynQ | http://www.webgui.org/2009-design-contest/design-contest-finalists | 21:38 |
SynQ | go and vote! | 21:38 |
+perlDreamer | SynQ: re the BACKPAN thread, your arguing is very well reasoned | 21:39 |
SynQ | thanks | 21:39 |
SynQ | but do you agree? | 21:40 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 21:40 |
SynQ | great | 21:40 |
SynQ | have you posted so in the tread? | 21:40 |
+perlDreamer | I should have downloaded the source, and just replaced perl | 21:40 |
+perlDreamer | not yet | 21:40 |
SynQ | well that depends | 21:40 |
SynQ | I would say you update the perl modules too | 21:40 |
SynQ | it might very well be that the reason they have been upgraded is due to the RC | 21:41 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1ee674c / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Layout.pm): | 21:41 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Force the page layout to use different caches for HTTPS vs HTTP requests. | 21:41 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Fixes bug #10674. | 21:41 |
+perlDreamer | well, in that case, we're back to the original problem | 21:42 |
+perlDreamer | many of the modules are no longer available from CPAN | 21:42 |
SynQ | perlDreamer: an unstable version of the WRE would be the solution | 21:42 |
SquOnk | What? | 21:43 |
SquOnk | Sorry... not related to WebGUI | 21:43 |
+perlDreamer | marginally related to WebGUI, SquOnk. I wanted to build perl-5.10.1-RC1 to test against WebGUI. | 21:45 |
SquOnk | 19.35$ for a CD in Amazon is a bit much, right? | 21:45 |
+perlDreamer | I think so. Is it a 2-pack? | 21:46 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: No. It's a remaster of a Venezuelan Progressive Rock band named Tempano. | 21:46 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: I used to have the LP. Old girlfriend destroyed it. | 21:47 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: You simply can't get it here. | 21:47 |
+perlDreamer | you seem to have this problem with people destroying and deleting your things, SquOnk | 21:47 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Heh | 21:47 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, how reasonable do you think it would be to implement this rfe perlDreamer: http://www.webgui.org/rfe | 21:47 |
@Haarg | implementation wise it is extremely simple | 21:48 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Yeah well. I could describe how that LP got destroyed, but then we should rate the channel PG-13 | 21:48 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: that link was kind of short? | 21:48 |
@Haarg | heh | 21:48 |
@Haarg | sorry | 21:48 |
@Haarg | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10672 | 21:48 |
SquOnk | The three CDs go for $58... whaaat? | 21:49 |
+perlDreamer | seems pretty reasonable. | 21:53 |
+perlDreamer | it's just another way of detecting SSL requests | 21:53 |
+perlDreamer | I'd add it to that new method for env that I just committed, too, in case people aren't using a proxy in front of WebGUI | 21:53 |
@Haarg | yeah, that's what i was thinking | 21:54 |
@Haarg | since you already did most of the work | 21:54 |
+perlDreamer | then, later on, we could get rid of SSLPROXY altogether, and be "implied standard" compliant | 21:54 |
@Haarg | the other thing i'm going to change | 21:54 |
@Haarg | is have it check for HTTP_SSLPROXY | 21:54 |
@Haarg | check the http header instead of the env variable set in the modperl config | 21:55 |
@Haarg | simplifies the apache configs | 21:55 |
@Haarg | why does it have the '? 1 : 0' in there? | 21:56 |
+perlDreamer | just habit | 21:57 |
+perlDreamer | 1 will always be 1, but 0 is sometimes 0, '', or undef | 21:57 |
+perlDreamer | depending on what the leading logic does | 21:57 |
@preaction | did we announce that 7.6 is not being maintained anymore? | 22:04 |
+perlDreamer | no | 22:06 |
+perlDreamer | I thought that we needed 7.7 stable to do that | 22:07 |
+perlDreamer | which would explain that large Wisconsite jumping up and down on my back | 22:08 |
SquOnk | The stability of 7.7 was supposed to be announced during WUC, wasn't it? | 22:10 |
SquOnk | (I wrote in english, but thought in spanish... bad SquOnk) | 22:10 |
+perlDreamer | supposed to be stable _before_ the WUC | 22:10 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Ok. | 22:10 |
+perlDreamer | that way JT can talk about all the cool new things coming in the next major version | 22:10 |
SquOnk | Like DBIx::Class support... | 22:11 |
@Haarg | committed the adjustment to the ssl detection | 22:11 |
SquOnk | Heh | 22:11 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r743e615 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Session/Env.pm): improve handling of proxied SSL connections - http://bit.ly/vEOkh | 22:11 |
@preaction | SquOnk: if you want DBIx::Class support, there's a community push for it here: http://github.com/preaction/modern-webgui | 22:13 |
SquOnk | preaction: I know, I kwown... couldn't resist ;-) | 22:13 |
+perlDreamer | yay! | 22:35 |
+perlDreamer | NAB! | 22:35 |
CIA-53 | wrebuild: Graham Knop master * rdc726de / wre/var/setupfiles/modproxy.template : send X-Forwared-Proto: https in addition to SSLPROXY header - http://bit.ly/dsP8J | 22:36 |
+perlDreamer | that's Not A Bug, for you viewers in the home audience | 22:36 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: kristi seems determined to keep the number of Map bugs on the list constant | 22:37 |
@preaction | heh | 22:40 |
+perlDreamer | I'm going to polish off bartjol's latest CS bug | 22:40 |
+perlDreamer | Can we sit down this afternoon and have you help me with the remainder of the bugs? | 22:41 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, do you have a link to the example of setting up ldap you made? | 22:41 |
+perlDreamer | oh, yes! | 22:41 |
+perlDreamer | It's in the wiki | 22:41 |
+perlDreamer | let me hunt it down | 22:41 |
@Haarg | 'the' wiki | 22:41 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: yeah, i can help this aft. | 22:42 |
+perlDreamer | :) "a" wiki | 22:42 |
+perlDreamer | google can't even find it | 22:42 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/develop/wiki/basic-ldap-setup | 22:44 |
+perlDreamer | it's in the develop wiki | 22:44 |
@preaction | should be in the Admin wiki, no? | 22:45 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: it's only for devs to do mockups | 22:45 |
@preaction | ah | 22:45 |
* perlDreamer will let mducharme write a real one for admins | 22:45 | |
+perlDreamer | plus, I don't want to copy/paste it | 22:45 |
@preaction | real one would be better anyway. an admin has a different outlook and goal than a dev | 22:47 |
@preaction | a main problem with the splitting of wikis is probably that perspective thing | 22:47 |
@preaction | okay, today i'm working on Map bugs and tonight i'm gonna fix the Subscribable aspect | 22:48 |
@preaction | i want people to start adopting wiki articles | 22:48 |
+perlDreamer | If you go through the IRC logs, Haarg and I talked about a subscribable aspect, to help with a different issue | 22:49 |
@preaction | there is one, that's the thing. it's just not yet completely bugfixed | 22:49 |
+perlDreamer | in core? | 22:50 |
@preaction | no, in my git repo | 22:53 |
* perlDreamer has yet to brave the convoluted contents of preaction's git repo | 22:59 | |
@preaction | i haven't forked webgui yet to put the stuff in there i want | 23:00 |
+perlDreamer | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | 23:06 |
SynQ | this WUC will be the ultimate fork wuc | 23:06 |
+perlDreamer | what are going to do in the pre-conference hackathon? | 23:09 |
@preaction | i still say the Blog asset is a good idea | 23:09 |
+perlDreamer | maybe I should start a spec | 23:11 |
@preaction | or we could fix the Calendar and add CalDAV support to it | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | having a rock solid calendar would be nice | 23:14 |
@preaction | by fix i mean get it in line with using iCalendar under the hood everywhere | 23:14 |
+perlDreamer | it works pretty well right now | 23:14 |
@preaction | maybe even stop it from doing its stupidity with creating a single Asset for each occurance of a recurring Event | 23:14 |
+perlDreamer | maybe we need a slate of projects | 23:14 |
+perlDreamer | but I think they should be achievable in a day | 23:14 |
@preaction | and so add the feature to alter a single occurance of an Event | 23:15 |
@preaction | ah | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | so we don't dangle projects | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | maybe that's too strigent | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | how 'bout we do a dev thread on it? | 23:16 |
@preaction | sounds good to me | 23:17 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3d1ed2f / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm): Make threads recalculate rating on delete/restore. Fixes #10788. - http://bit.ly/2njkPK | 23:21 |
+perlDreamer | posted. Everybody please chime in. | 23:25 |
* perlDreamer is out for a bit running errands. | 23:25 | |
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Slaine | hi, guys. | 23:38 |
Slaine | I was wondering if there is any known issues with update.webgui.org, as during my wre install, it seems wreconsole.pl fails when looking up for the lateste stable release | 23:40 |
@preaction | Slaine: provided you can connect out to it from the same system, please post it as a bug and someone will take a look | 23:41 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Paul Driver master * r0a0ee3e / (3 files in 2 dirs): Fixed semi-rare memory leak in getLineage - http://bit.ly/VcFvO | 23:41 |
Slaine | yes i can by simply browsing it... | 23:42 |
@preaction | okay, post the bug, and choose the Manual Install option for now | 23:43 |
@preaction | (which means download webgui yourself, the latest stable is 7.6.31, untar it to /data/WebGUI, and then click Manual Install > ) | 23:43 |
Slaine | where do i go? on the developer forum on webgui.org? | 23:43 |
@preaction | http://webgui.org/bugs | 23:43 |
Slaine | oki will do right now.. | 23:44 |
@preaction | thanks | 23:44 |
Slaine | one other quick question: i am interested by the google map asset, which I beleive is available on 7.7... is this release "stable" enough to go with it right now? | 23:45 |
@preaction | i wouldn't put it on a critical production machine, but for just a personal website sure | 23:45 |
@preaction | "beta" release means that there are features that may not be completely stable, but that things that were stable before are still stable now | 23:46 |
Slaine | oki. no potential issues to just upgrade from current micro version of 7.7.x to future stable 7.7.y, then? | 23:46 |
@preaction | nope | 23:47 |
Slaine | thanks :) | 23:47 |
@preaction | our upgrade path is as solid as we can make it, plainblack.com has survived the upgrade path from 0.1.0 until 7.7.x | 23:47 |
Slaine | well, that proves it indeed :) | 23:48 |
@preaction | plainblack.com gets upgraded to the latest beta when it is released, so we can drink our own kool-aid and fix the upgrade bugs before they take apart important sites ;) | 23:49 |
ckotil | impressive | 23:49 |
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Slaine | aaargh.. silly stupid i am.... I was ssh'ing my future webgui hoist.. did try to browse update.webgui.org from my pc instead of the actual server... | 00:02 |
Slaine | now the questiuon is : how the hell can i delete the ticket i've just created :) | 00:03 |
@preaction | Slaine: you should be able to click "Edit" next to the upper-right and change the status to Resolved | 00:04 |
@preaction | then say what happened in the box that pops up | 00:04 |
@preaction | if that doesn't work, then just add a comment saying what happened and we'll close it, no biggie | 00:05 |
Slaine | ok just added a comment (status was stil pending so couldn't use any edit button) | 00:08 |
Slaine | thanks for your insight :) | 00:09 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Paul Driver master * r2621f92 / lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm : Small bug with the memory leak fix... fixed - http://bit.ly/1azDlF | 00:41 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, i just sent you a merged upgrade script | 00:50 |
@Haarg | not tested at all yet | 00:50 |
+perlDreamer | dude! Thank you! | 00:50 |
@Haarg | will probably need the stuff that caused stop versions in early 7.7 adjusted | 00:52 |
+perlDreamer | to be run in a particular order? | 00:53 |
@Haarg | well, the order in the script is the same as the order in the existing scripts | 00:53 |
@Haarg | but if any of the early upgrade functions depends on the earlier behavior it will be a problem | 00:54 |
+perlDreamer | I see. That makes sense | 00:54 |
* perlDreamer goes for _another_ errand | 00:58 | |
@preaction | is this evil? <select style="float: right;" onchange="eval { this.options[this.selectedIndex].value"> | 01:10 |
@Haarg | yes | 01:11 |
@preaction | damn you | 01:11 |
@preaction | eh, doesn't work anyway | 01:12 |
@preaction | ah, much better way to do it | 01:14 |
@preaction | and i think i figured out the problem with clicking on a link to focus on a point in the map: the click on the link gets processed and closes the info box before it can open | 01:14 |
@preaction | because this select box doesn't do it | 01:15 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r739541a / (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed #10624: map template problem with floats - http://bit.ly/2of6in | 01:41 |
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+perlDreamer | Go preaction go! | 02:19 |
+perlDreamer | Sounds like a book I used to read | 02:19 |
+perlDreamer | Hack preaction hack. | 02:19 |
+perlDreamer | Hack by train | 02:19 |
+perlDreamer | or hack by night | 02:19 |
+perlDreamer | hack in the day | 02:19 |
+perlDreamer | or hack in the light. | 02:19 |
@preaction | Colin Sees Preaction Hack | 02:19 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: does this look familiar http://gist.github.com/170698 | 02:21 |
+perlDreamer | re our memory leak talk today with frodwith | 02:21 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rcf63977 / (3 files in 2 dirs): fixed #10793: Map Add Point photo field - http://bit.ly/SXtvc | 02:21 |
@preaction | yes | 02:22 |
@preaction | that would need the fix as well, | 02:22 |
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+perlDreamer | actually, I think that one is fine. If the child calls getParent, it will point to a different copy of the same object, so no circular references there | 02:32 |
+perlDreamer | the problem comes when we pre-assign the parent to children we instanciate | 02:34 |
+perlDreamer | using our self | 02:36 |
daviddelikat | preaction: I just (finally) pushed the helpdesk change we talked about last night at madmongers up to the helpdesk git repo... | 02:46 |
daviddelikat | sorry for the tardiness... | 02:46 |
daviddelikat | gotta go have dinner | 02:46 |
@preaction | np, could you send me an e-mail with anything i need to update PB.com either tonight or tomorrow morning? | 02:47 |
daviddelikat | sure, I'll send it after dinner. | 02:47 |
@preaction | k, thanks | 02:47 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd6b4026 / (2 files): Fix typos in SQL related to RSSCapable. - http://bit.ly/qw25l | 02:51 |
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daviddelikat | the latest technology to safeguard your data: http://ollydbg.de/Paperbak/ | 04:49 |
SDuensin | That's awesome. | 04:55 |
daviddelikat | its like hi-res barcode | 04:56 |
SDuensin | Don't spill your coffee on it. | 04:56 |
daviddelikat | no kidding | 04:56 |
daviddelikat | if thats your real backup theres some interesting precautions you need to take... | 04:57 |
SDuensin | hehe | 04:57 |
SDuensin | Hey man, media-safe fire safes are a lot more expensive than paper-safe ones! | 04:57 |
daviddelikat | but htey don't have to be as large | 04:57 |
daviddelikat | i had an insurance agent who had a specially designed file cabinet in his office | 04:58 |
daviddelikat | in case of fire | 04:58 |
daviddelikat | it fell through the floor to the basement | 04:58 |
daviddelikat | where it would get soaked by the fire dept. | 04:58 |
SDuensin | That's a good idea? | 04:59 |
daviddelikat | i guess | 04:59 |
daviddelikat | he's the expert, not me | 04:59 |
@preaction | plus, we can store paper almost indefinately, restore it, preserve it. optical and magnetic media are not as lucky | 05:32 |
@preaction | we have 1000+ year old paper, readable with intricate art. i doubt you'll find a 10-year-old floppy disk that works | 05:33 |
daviddelikat | I suppose if we use both sides of the paper we can get almost half the data into only ten times the space | 05:33 |
@preaction | i think 50 years is the shelf expectancy of a CD, probably less | 05:33 |
daviddelikat | I think we tolerate the shorter life for the savings in space | 05:34 |
SDuensin | It's a LOT less in this house. | 05:34 |
@preaction | of course, we're not talking about saving images or what-have-you. PDFs or something. | 05:36 |
@preaction | but plain ascii-text files... | 05:36 |
daviddelikat | I ran into another bit of technology called vanish. http://vanish.cs.washington.edu/ | 05:37 |
@preaction | it'd be interesting to get a 1000+ year storage mechanism for this paper, write out the encoding scheme of the paper, and bury it somewhere | 05:37 |
daviddelikat | its pretty cool if you don't want your post to last forever | 05:37 |
daviddelikat | but then some server could just implement the vanish decryption and store the orig text | 05:37 |
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+perlDreamer | curse you daviddelikat, and your bug posting! | 06:30 |
daviddelikat | did i upset your position? | 06:30 |
daviddelikat | which bug are we going on about? | 06:30 |
+perlDreamer | the core bug about templates | 06:31 |
* perlDreamer shouldn't complain | 06:31 | |
daviddelikat | ah yes, well, I figured it was best if I report it before somebody else does... | 06:31 |
+perlDreamer | indeed :) | 06:32 |
+perlDreamer | the funny thing is, I just fixed this bug for the generic asset Apply method | 06:35 |
+perlDreamer | the asset thinks it's locked, because another copy of the object was committed | 06:36 |
daviddelikat | it should be easy to fix it again :) | 06:36 |
daviddelikat | I think there should be a service that makes custom smileys that resemble the person using them | 06:36 |
+perlDreamer | kind of like gravatar? | 06:46 |
+perlDreamer | daviddelikat, need a little more info about your bug | 06:54 |
+perlDreamer | How did you start out editing that template? | 06:54 |
+perlDreamer | From the asset manager, or from a different asset's edit screen? | 06:54 |
+perlDreamer | I just want to make sure that I've fixed it by duplicating (ha ha) the same steps | 06:54 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2bbf814 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm): | 07:01 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Force the isLockedBy flag to be reset when autocommitting the tag for a duplicated template. | 07:01 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Fixes #10795 - http://bit.ly/GBneb | 07:01 |
+perlDreamer | nm, I was able to duplicate the behavior, and show that the code change fixes it. | 07:03 |
+perlDreamer | back to debugging the shunt script | 07:03 |
+perlDreamer | that's done | 07:25 |
+perlDreamer | patspam: do you have bandwidth to look at a carousel bug? | 07:33 |
+perlDreamer | for reference: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10511 | 07:49 |
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Slaine | Hi, guys... | 15:12 |
+BartJol | hi\ | 15:12 |
+BartJol | what's up, any questions? | 15:13 |
Slaine | I have one question: just installed webgui with WRE0.9.3 rhel5 ia32, with manual install option (so i can work with latest beta webgui version) | 15:13 |
+BartJol | yes | 15:13 |
Slaine | i just had to set the sticky bit to /root/tmp for mysqld to work, as in Mandriva distribution, the TMPDIR env variable overrides any other setup (ie: aka tmpdir=/tmp in my.cnf). preferred to do that rather than chmod'ing /root/tmp | 15:15 |
Slaine | so everything went well, added my site, but when I try to start mod-perl it fails. I don't know how to show you the error.log though... | 15:17 |
+BartJol | in pastebin | 15:17 |
+BartJol | http://webgui.pastebin.com | 15:18 |
+BartJol | for privacy it might be better to replace your sitename with sitename | 15:18 |
Slaine | seems like it's searching for ImageMagick, and other kinds of per modules in the /data/wre/prereqs/lib/ and sop on... so was wondering if wre 0.9.3 foir rhel5 is compliant with latest beta webgui release which may have additionnal requirements... | 15:18 |
Slaine | k I'll send it with pastebin | 15:19 |
+BartJol | have you run testEnvironment.pl? | 15:19 |
Slaine | no, but I'd thought wre would avoid me to go through this procedure... | 15:20 |
+BartJol | well, all the modules should be ok, unless the wre package isn't build properly, but then it shouldn't be on sourceforge, so that is far fetched | 15:21 |
+BartJol | well, it cannot harm | 15:21 |
Slaine | still, if i use testenvironment.pl, will it install missing modules on the very location mod_perl is lookint at? | 15:23 |
+BartJol | you should be able to choose | 15:23 |
+BartJol | but if the module is required it might install autmatically | 15:23 |
+BartJol | yes | 15:23 |
+BartJol | via cpan | 15:24 |
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Slaine | ok.. can you give it a try on pastebin I've posted the mod_perl.error.log (under my nicknam=Slaine) | 15:26 |
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+BartJol | do you have a link, reloading doesn't give me your post | 15:27 |
Slaine | sorry here it is: http://pastebin.com/d5cda57cb | 15:27 |
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Slaine | maybe is it worth givint a try with "automated install, so I see I have same issues with latest STABLE release (7.6.35) | 15:31 |
Slaine | but i really would like to test the google map asset from 7.7 | 15:32 |
+BartJol | well, it's worth a shot | 15:32 |
Slaine | any comment on my wonderful log? :) | 15:32 |
+BartJol | :) | 15:32 |
+BartJol | well, it fails quite complete as far as I can see | 15:32 |
Slaine | yes indeed :) | 15:33 |
+BartJol | what did you do to install it, did you run wreconsole again? | 15:33 |
+BartJol | oh, and I should use the word "well" less | 15:34 |
Slaine | well, in order to check my "sticky bit" workarounf for mysql to work, i first launched wreconsole as automated. once i saw it worked, is rm -rf /data/WebGUI, downloaded 7.7 webgui and untar'ed it, then (killed mysqld again), then relaunched wreconsole, but choosed "manual install this time | 15:35 |
+BartJol | and copied the spectre and log conf originals to real confs? | 15:36 |
+BartJol | that should not cause these errors | 15:37 |
+BartJol | but running stable did work ou? | 15:37 |
+BartJol | +t | 15:37 |
Slaine | mmm.. not copied anything about .conf files... | 15:37 |
+BartJol | ah, that is needed | 15:37 |
+BartJol | I don't know whether it solves the problem | 15:37 |
+BartJol | in WebGUI/etc | 15:38 |
Slaine | regarding stable: i just checked mysql could be launvhed by wreconsole, thus, i didn't configure any sites, or tried to launch mod_perl | 15:38 |
+BartJol | ok, so we don't know | 15:38 |
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Slaine | so best i can do, is: start all over again, and directly use "manual install", as i know now my sticly bit workaround works fine. | 15:39 |
Slaine | 1/ it works, end of story | 15:39 |
Slaine | 2/ it doesn't work, then i try stable with "automated install", and configure a site.... iuf it works, then that means i better have to try testenvironment.pl | 15:40 |
Slaine | when using beta 7.7 | 15:40 |
Slaine | if even stable does not work, then I have bigger issue :) | 15:41 |
+BartJol | unfortunately yes | 15:41 |
Slaine | maybe for the sake of my mind, i should install a redhat distri instead of mandriva :) | 15:42 |
Slaine | that was just anothjer thought :) | 15:42 |
+BartJol | well, while you're at it :) | 15:42 |
+BartJol | Slaine: but since mandriva isn't redhat based, the redhat build wre might not be ideal | 15:49 |
+BartJol | you can try a build of the wre, which takes time off course | 15:50 |
+BartJol | if you do that, please make a package of it before starting the wreconsole | 15:51 |
Slaine | well birth of mandriva was based on redhat (kind of french localized redhat).. but i agree it was some years (ages) ago.. :) | 15:51 |
Slaine | my intent is to try to build wre on madriva in the future. | 15:52 |
+BartJol | are you gonna do work on translating WebGUI? | 15:52 |
+BartJol | a new build might be the best option | 15:52 |
+BartJol | but that might deliver some problems | 15:53 |
Slaine | the point is: i already made it work with wre rhel5 on a mandriva, but can't remember how :) | 15:53 |
+BartJol | too bad | 15:54 |
Slaine | well it was with 0.8.something version of wre.. | 15:54 |
+BartJol | ah | 15:55 |
+BartJol | there have been some changes... | 15:55 |
Slaine | ok sterp 1: trying from scratch and manual install: doesn't work, sames modperl logs... | 15:55 |
Slaine | let's try step 2: automated install (from scratch)... | 15:55 |
Slaine | donwloadin latest stable release... (suspense..) | 15:59 |
Slaine | aaargh :) same issue, same log... | 16:01 |
+BartJol | well | 16:02 |
Slaine | so it doesn't come from automated vs manual instamm | 16:02 |
Slaine | install... | 16:02 |
Slaine | let's try .. testenv.pl? | 16:02 |
+BartJol | ok, then I suspect the build for redhat isn't suitable | 16:02 |
+BartJol | but yes, do tha | 16:02 |
+BartJol | t | 16:02 |
Slaine | ok. sh.. :) | 16:02 |
+BartJol | wait with deleting that | 16:04 |
Slaine | ?? | 16:04 |
+BartJol | it might need some base packages | 16:04 |
+BartJol | in debian you need build-essentials | 16:04 |
+BartJol | maybe that is pure for building | 16:05 |
Slaine | oooh... i see | 16:05 |
+BartJol | and some other | 16:05 |
+BartJol | soo it might be that applyig packages (not random) might work | 16:05 |
Slaine | yes, mod-perl is trying to recompile at startup | 16:05 |
+BartJol | was that maybe also the trick you used before? | 16:06 |
Slaine | and it's true i installes a minimal linux system without (silly am i) all this copilers stuff and other libraries | 16:06 |
+BartJol | ln -s /data/wre/sbin/services/redhat/webgui /etc/init.d/webgui | 16:07 |
+BartJol | chkconfig --add webgui | 16:07 |
+BartJol | chkconfig webgui on | 16:07 |
+BartJol | On RHEL 5 or higher you need to install the libgomp RPM. | 16:07 |
+BartJol | in the install for redhat | 16:07 |
+BartJol | lifrom your log: [Thu Aug 20 14:04:51 2009] [error] Can't load '/data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/i686-linux/auto/Image/Magick/Magick.so' for module Image::Magick: libgomp.so.1: | 16:08 |
Slaine | sounds good :) | 16:08 |
Slaine | just urpmi'ing | 16:08 |
+BartJol | ah, apt-getting :P | 16:09 |
Slaine | nice shot :) mod perl just started after libgomp and depdencies installed | 16:10 |
Slaine | :) | 16:10 |
+BartJol | jippey | 16:10 |
Slaine | everything started spectre included.. let's test my brand new website now | 16:10 |
Slaine | work fine and smoothly :) | 16:11 |
+BartJol | strange, usefull installation instructions ;) | 16:12 |
Slaine | brilant shot! | 16:12 |
+BartJol | glad to be some help | 16:12 |
Slaine | well, french people never read documentation... up to the end... we always want to play first, i admit :) | 16:12 |
+BartJol | Dutch people neither | 16:13 |
Slaine | ok, now i can reinstall everything from scratch .. with the latest beta release :) | 16:13 |
+BartJol | succes, but how about that translation? | 16:13 |
+BartJol | french is already up at 34.4% | 16:14 |
Slaine | yes, i intent also to contribute to it, as soon as the basics of my site will work (ie: when i will have look at some assets localizations) | 16:15 |
+BartJol | cool | 16:16 |
+BartJol | I suppose you won't be attending at the WUc | 16:16 |
+BartJol | oh, and I have posted some code for improving multilangual sites | 16:17 |
daviddelikat | preaction: | 16:17 |
daviddelikat | DON'T PUT THE NEW HELPDESK IN YET. | 16:17 |
Slaine | oki doki (and no, i won't be at WUC) | 16:17 |
+BartJol | too bad, it is fun | 16:18 |
+BartJol | Slaine: have fun with your site | 16:18 |
Slaine | yes, thanks very much for your time and insioght | 16:18 |
+BartJol | no problem | 16:19 |
+BartJol | daviddelikat: not that I have influence on doug, but what's wrong? | 16:19 |
daviddelikat | I just pulled down the new code for WG and now the helpdesk does not work... | 16:25 |
daviddelikat | something in the AJAX data transfer | 16:26 |
+BartJol | ah | 16:26 |
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daviddelikat | i figured it out... AJAX does not like WG debug messages... | 16:57 |
daviddelikat | and I forgot to turn it off | 16:57 |
@Haarg | you should set the mime type to application/json | 16:58 |
daviddelikat | I've been messing with the mime type and sometimes it causes browsers to do bad things... | 16:59 |
@Haarg | or if there is a reason it needs to be set to html, there is a method on the log handler to prevent the debug from being output | 16:59 |
daviddelikat | thats what I plan to do | 16:59 |
daviddelikat | I have to look at dougs presentation to figure out what he added and make sure it is in my codebase... | 17:00 |
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daviddelikat | Haarg: have you seen this? http://progit.org/ | 17:13 |
@Haarg | yes | 17:13 |
daviddelikat | is it a good resource? | 17:13 |
@Haarg | definitely | 17:13 |
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+perlmonkey2 | Anyone played Holder of Secrets off of the game crafter? | 18:05 |
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+perlDreamer | morning, folks | 18:07 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: thanks again for the merged upgrade and package files | 18:07 |
+perlDreamer | I can keep adding subs to the upgrade, but how do I make a new merged package file? | 18:08 |
@Haarg | is there any reason you would need to? | 18:08 |
+perlDreamer | well, I think that at least the Map (and likely the Carousel) will have new packages | 18:08 |
@Haarg | those two files will bring it up to 7.7.17, and from there existing upgrade scripts should work fine | 18:09 |
+perlDreamer | the upgrade script had subs from 7.7.18 in it | 18:09 |
@Haarg | hrm | 18:09 |
+perlDreamer | and I assumed (unsafely) that the merged package file had .18 packages, too | 18:09 |
@Haarg | i didn't intend to add those :) | 18:09 |
@Haarg | it probably does | 18:09 |
@Haarg | that shouldn't be a problem though | 18:09 |
@Haarg | i would say just remove the .18 subs | 18:10 |
+perlDreamer | it'll be easy to do, I labeled all the chunks of subs by version, to track down a sequencing issue | 18:10 |
@Haarg | in case it wasn't obvious, it has all the upgrade subs that were in 7.6.x releases stripped out | 18:11 |
+perlDreamer | Yeah, I did notice that | 18:11 |
+perlDreamer | but they were in alphabetical order, not revision order | 18:11 |
+BartJol | hey dreamy boy, you didn't even give me the chance to fix that bug | 18:11 |
+perlDreamer | Oh Uber-Bier-Consumer, I gave you a whole 7 hours to volunteer to fix the bug | 18:12 |
+perlDreamer | would you like a new one to make up for it? | 18:12 |
+BartJol | well, if it is doable for me | 18:12 |
+BartJol | in those 7 hours I was honing my beer drinking skills or sleeping | 18:13 |
+BartJol | but, I probably have heating and water in my new house by the end of next week, to get off topic | 18:13 |
+perlDreamer | Do you want to take a crack at this: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/10797 | 18:13 |
@Haarg | i was going to look at that | 18:14 |
+BartJol | I don't wanna steel Haarg's bugs | 18:14 |
@Haarg | i wish i knew something about chinese and similar languages | 18:14 |
+perlDreamer | hm.... | 18:14 |
+perlDreamer | character-wise, or lingually? | 18:15 |
@Haarg | lingually i guess | 18:15 |
+perlDreamer | BartJol: how about the VIES retry bug, since Martin is on vacation? | 18:15 |
+perlDreamer | do you know how to write a workflow? | 18:15 |
+BartJol | not yet | 18:16 |
+BartJol | I once looked at it | 18:16 |
+perlDreamer | I can help you with that | 18:16 |
@Haarg | http://gist.github.com/171114 | 18:16 |
+BartJol | well, that sounds doable | 18:16 |
@Haarg | i have no idea what that is trying to accomplish | 18:16 |
@Haarg | additionally, it was written before we fixed our handling of utf8 stuff | 18:16 |
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+perlDreamer | it does have \S in it | 18:17 |
+perlDreamer | gugod: ping | 18:17 |
+perlDreamer | are you awake? | 18:17 |
+perlDreamer | you know, I don't think it matters Haarg. | 18:20 |
+perlDreamer | All we need to do is make a fix, and then start pasting in different languages | 18:20 |
+perlDreamer | and see if they show up in search results | 18:20 |
@Haarg | yes, but i don't know how searching for word segments should work | 18:21 |
@Haarg | can you just paste some text in and see if it finds something? i'd think so but the way that code works makes me wonder if there's something else to consider. | 18:21 |
+perlDreamer | I'll try | 18:22 |
+perlDreamer | I think all languages are space delimited | 18:22 |
+perlDreamer | well.... | 18:22 |
+perlDreamer | It's \S | 18:23 |
+perlDreamer | not \S+ | 18:23 |
+perlDreamer | that implies single characters as "words" | 18:23 |
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+BartJol | well, dinner first, then coding | 18:24 |
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gugod | perlDreamer: hi | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | by chance, do you speak chinese? | 18:31 |
gugod | I do, actually | 18:32 |
gugod | what can I do for you | 18:32 |
+perlDreamer | Apparently, our search engine has a custom tweak for indexing chinese | 18:32 |
+perlDreamer | the work was done by a volunteer a long time ago | 18:33 |
+perlDreamer | now we need to modify the search engine to work better with UTF-8 | 18:33 |
+perlDreamer | the tweak is this regex: split /([A-z|\d]+|\S)/, $keywords | 18:33 |
+perlDreamer | commented: split /([A-z|\d]+|\S)/, $keywords | 18:33 |
+perlDreamer | sorry, how about a paste instead, it will give more context | 18:34 |
+perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/171114 | 18:34 |
gugod | me nods | 18:34 |
gugod | what's in $keywords | 18:35 |
gugod | the query string from user ? | 18:35 |
+perlDreamer | no, it's the content entered into the CMS | 18:35 |
+perlDreamer | it there a form of Chinese where each character is a "word", as implied in the regex? | 18:36 |
@Haarg | http://gist.github.com/171144 this is the routine that is done when you search | 18:38 |
+perlDreamer | it almost sounds like we need to detect the language, and do different parsing based on how that language works | 18:39 |
+perlDreamer | for "latinate languages", do space delimited, and so on | 18:40 |
gugod | perlDreamer: a "word" as in English word ? basically, yes. each chinese character has it's own meaning | 18:40 |
gugod | perlDreamer: sometimes two or more characters forms another new meaning | 18:40 |
+perlDreamer | gugod: like an adjective, or adverbial modifier | 18:41 |
+perlDreamer | interesting | 18:41 |
gugod | it's more like a composition | 18:43 |
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gugod | like, the word for master, "??", is composed with "big" ? and "teacher" ? | 18:44 |
@Haarg | so it sounds like for those languages, we need to roughly treat each character as a word instead of space delimited | 18:45 |
+perlDreamer | I see, it's more like a compound word in English | 18:45 |
+perlDreamer | right, and the issues are, how do we find out the language that is entered, and where/how do we keep a list of how to parse them? | 18:46 |
gugod | the easiest approach is to use bi-gram of characters | 18:46 |
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gugod | regardless of their meanins | 18:46 |
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+perlDreamer | sorry for the abscence | 19:20 |
+perlDreamer | I make it a point to always say "Yes" when my wife offers to buy coffee | 19:20 |
@Haarg | my @words = grep { defined && $_ ne '' } split /\s+|(\p{Ideographic})/, $text; | 19:20 |
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+perlDreamer | very slick | 19:21 |
+perlDreamer | when the utf8 clause is hit, do the parens cause the delimiter to show up in the words? | 19:22 |
+perlDreamer | since they capture? | 19:22 |
@Haarg | yes | 19:22 |
SquOnk | Do you want to capture? | 19:22 |
@Haarg | so ideographic characters are all split into separate 'words' and everything else is white space delimited | 19:23 |
+perlDreamer | that is delightfully twisted | 19:24 |
+perlDreamer | let's comment it really well so we don't have to be here again in another 4 years | 19:24 |
@Haarg | will do | 19:24 |
SquOnk | An Ideographic is a word, right? | 19:25 |
@Haarg | roughly, yes | 19:25 |
SquOnk | ...or any of the smileys, music note, squiggly thingies? | 19:25 |
@Haarg | if we wanted to do proper word segments there are things like Lingua::ZH::WordSegmenter but that's specific to a particular language | 19:26 |
gugod | Haarg: you might want to have \p{IsPunct} besides \s in there | 19:26 |
+perlDreamer | and it means adding new modules | 19:26 |
SquOnk | Yep, I was going to point that out | 19:26 |
SquOnk | (the IsPunct thing) | 19:27 |
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@Haarg | can you give me an example where that would be good? | 19:27 |
gugod | try "?? hello,?? world" | 19:27 |
@Haarg | i'm thinking that some cases like contractions it might cause problems | 19:27 |
SquOnk | like, here, for instance | 19:28 |
gugod | that regex consider "hello," a segment | 19:28 |
SquOnk | So you end up having "like", "here", "for" and "instance" | 19:28 |
+perlDreamer | maybe /\p{isPunct}?\s+|(\p{Ideographic}/ for a start? | 19:29 |
SquOnk | You'll need IsPunt minus quotes | 19:29 |
@Haarg | /\p{isPunct}?(?:\s+|^|$)\p{isPunct}?|(\p{Ideographic})/ would probably work although it's getting rather ugly | 19:34 |
+perlDreamer | test time? | 19:34 |
@Haarg | well, i'm testing it on the command line | 19:34 |
@Haarg | but it would be good to make a test for it once it's in place | 19:34 |
@Haarg | http://gist.github.com/171179 | 19:36 |
@Haarg | it does work. i'm just thinking it might be better to have it written differently | 19:37 |
+perlDreamer | will that split hyphenated words, and contractions? | 19:37 |
@Haarg | no | 19:38 |
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@Haarg | http://gist.github.com/171185 i think this is going to be a better way to go. | 19:43 |
+perlDreamer | what about wrapping the regex inside of a while loop, so we only have to iterate over the words once? | 19:45 |
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+perlDreamer | no | 19:46 |
+perlDreamer | split the words, then iterate over them just once | 19:46 |
+perlDreamer | What I'm thinking about is people uploading large documents that will then be indexed | 19:47 |
+perlDreamer | on a separate topic, just because I haven't said it in a few days | 19:48 |
+perlDreamer | I hate javascript | 19:48 |
+perlDreamer | and it hates me back | 19:48 |
@Haarg | trying to do that with a single loop would probably mean using map | 19:49 |
@Haarg | and it starts to get very ugly | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | could we through the defined and non-blank checks inside the loop? | 19:49 |
@Haarg | if i make it a map | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | it means more steps per loop, but still just 1 loop? | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/171194 | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | my day is all chopped up again, today | 19:56 |
+perlDreamer | So, after some Googling, it turns out that the Carousel is limited in how it calculates the "slot" width. | 19:56 |
+perlDreamer | it requires items to be in the cache when that happens | 19:57 |
+perlDreamer | I've seen that problem intermittently in the Story, for uploaded photos | 19:57 |
+perlDreamer | the solution recommended by the guy who made it is to assign a width to the first LI | 19:57 |
+perlDreamer | For a Story, that's perfect, it already has the width property, and photos are resized based on that width | 19:58 |
+perlDreamer | but for the Carousel wobject, it's a bit different | 19:58 |
+perlDreamer | it can contain either text, or images | 19:58 |
+perlDreamer | text will always render and flow correctly | 19:58 |
+perlDreamer | but images won't | 19:58 |
@Haarg | [gknop@cuneus ~]$ perl unisplittest.pl | 19:59 |
@Haarg | Rate map push grep | 19:59 |
@Haarg | map 2.62/s -- -9% -30% | 19:59 |
@Haarg | push 2.87/s 10% -- -24% | 19:59 |
@Haarg | grep 3.76/s 43% 31% -- | 19:59 |
+perlDreamer | in that case, I'll stop worrying about speed | 20:00 |
@Haarg | the difference between them gets larger for larger documents | 20:00 |
+perlDreamer | I think the solutions are this: | 20:03 |
+perlDreamer | 1) I need to stop worrying about the speed of other people's code ;) | 20:03 |
+perlDreamer | 2) Add a panel width for the Carousel, and allow it to be 0, which would disable it for pure text. | 20:03 |
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+perlDreamer | afternoon, folks | 21:54 |
+perlDreamer | daviddelikat1: ping? | 21:54 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, so i implemented those search changes | 21:54 |
+perlDreamer | awesome! | 21:54 |
@Haarg | and of course it doesn't work | 21:54 |
+perlDreamer | what? | 21:55 |
@Haarg | i can't get mysql to match chinese characters at all | 21:55 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: map bugs are fixed now | 21:55 |
+perlDreamer | thank you, preaction! | 21:55 |
+perlDreamer | extra cookies for you at the WUC | 21:55 |
+perlDreamer | unless you're on a diet | 21:55 |
@preaction | i am :( | 21:55 |
+perlDreamer | in which case, you can have extra burpees | 21:55 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, is it possible that it NEVER matched Chinese characters? | 21:56 |
@Haarg | i have not tested whether it was working prior to my changes | 21:56 |
@Haarg | but i would assume it worked at some point | 21:56 |
+perlDreamer | how about if I write a test to check it? | 21:56 |
+perlDreamer | I can index first 1, then 2 characters, and see if they are inserted correctly, and then searched and returned correctly | 21:57 |
+perlDreamer | release will be later tonight anyway | 21:57 |
@Haarg | http://gist.github.com/171265 | 21:58 |
@Haarg | the corrupted characters are correct client site, gist is just not handling them correctly | 21:58 |
+perlDreamer | sure, I noticed that in the last gist | 21:58 |
+perlDreamer | that would imply that fulltext search has never worked | 21:59 |
@Haarg | i don't know | 21:59 |
@Haarg | i'll test it without my patch | 21:59 |
+perlDreamer | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/fulltext-search.html | 21:59 |
+perlDreamer | search for utf-8 on that page | 21:59 |
@Haarg | shit | 22:00 |
+perlDreamer | "it needed to set ft_min_word_len =1" | 22:00 |
+perlDreamer | maybe the stop words list would help us bridge that? | 22:01 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Doug Bell master * ra0d3eea / (7 files in 5 dirs): fixed 10640, 10639, 10625: Map point save HTML/JS - http://bit.ly/18NWTR | 22:02 |
@Haarg | http://gist.github.com/171274 http://gist.github.com/171275 | 22:05 |
@Haarg | needs a comment, but that works | 22:06 |
@Haarg | adds padding to ideographic characters so they are indexed | 22:06 |
+perlDreamer | the -124 gist is our favorite _filterKeywords, where is -125 from? | 22:07 |
@Haarg | WebGUI::Search::search | 22:07 |
+perlDreamer | what is ft_min_word_len on the WRE? 3? | 22:08 |
@Haarg | i think so | 22:08 |
+perlDreamer | sites will need to be reindexed after this change | 22:08 |
@Haarg | yes | 22:08 |
@Haarg | which isn't wonderful, but i'm not sure what other option there is | 22:09 |
+perlDreamer | no, I'm just thinking out loud | 22:09 |
@Haarg | for an english site it would continue working mostly without reindexing | 22:09 |
@Haarg | for anything not ascii though the old index is broken | 22:10 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 22:10 |
+perlDreamer | we could ask WebGUI if there are language packs other than English installed | 22:10 |
+perlDreamer | and only reindex if there are | 22:10 |
+perlDreamer | that could be an indicator of non-English contnet | 22:11 |
@Haarg | it might work best as a gotcha | 22:11 |
@Haarg | this change won't break anything | 22:11 |
@Haarg | it just allows it to be fixed | 22:11 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 22:11 |
+perlDreamer | I'm going to start busting through Kristi's latest bugset and i18n | 22:12 |
@preaction | word | 22:12 |
@Haarg | do you see anything wrong with those changes then? | 22:13 |
@preaction | i think i counted like 10 webgui bugs left, including kristi's, so we're getting close | 22:13 |
+perlDreamer | 10? | 22:13 |
+perlDreamer | including Kristi's | 22:14 |
+perlDreamer | let's close them, then re-evaluate the list | 22:14 |
+perlDreamer | BartJol: i18n changes coming your way | 22:17 |
+BartJol | ok | 22:17 |
+BartJol | that workflow isn't going smoothly yet | 22:17 |
+perlDreamer | I can help after I close 3 bugs | 22:18 |
+BartJol | that would be great | 22:18 |
+perlDreamer | I would recommend dropping the workflow part for now, and just writing a script that will do the same job | 22:18 |
+perlDreamer | we can add the workflow code to it later | 22:18 |
+BartJol | well, the script can be done in 2 ways, but just keep your attention to those other bugs | 22:19 |
+BartJol | I can wait | 22:19 |
+BartJol | better said, the script exists already | 22:20 |
+BartJol | but I'll wait | 22:20 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * radd3b32 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix typos in TaxDriver_EU i18n. Fixes #10798. - http://bit.ly/2qiMiH | 22:22 |
@preaction | okay, so i guess instead of TGC bugs, which Tom has a handle on, I'm gonna fix the EditArea | 22:30 |
+perlDreamer | The EditArea is broken? | 22:31 |
+perlDreamer | :) | 22:31 |
@preaction | for how many issues it has, its last release is Apr 25. | 22:31 |
@preaction | fork it, i'll make a github | 22:32 |
@preaction | should i call it editareaplus to be a dick? | 22:32 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra5204a7 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix i18n typos in the Ogone payment driver. Fix bugs 10800 and 10799. - http://bit.ly/6wGG6 | 22:32 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r4984e19 / (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed #10797: Unable to search for non-ASCII text - http://bit.ly/2fZxY5 | 22:32 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Graham Knop master * rac9be28 / (lib/WebGUI/Macro.pm t/Macro.t): add a few additional macro tests - http://bit.ly/BaLtK | 22:32 |
+perlDreamer | that might be better than saying "working" or "functional" or "NotMessedUp" | 22:34 |
+perlDreamer | how about WgEditArea? | 22:34 |
@Haarg | what problems are you going to fix? | 22:34 |
@preaction | no, it's not webgui-specific | 22:34 |
@preaction | mainly the loading problems | 22:35 |
@Haarg | because it has a number of them | 22:35 |
@preaction | the ones that make it unusable. the ones that made us disable it by default | 22:35 |
@Haarg | it's pretty much completely broken in firefox 3.5 | 22:35 |
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@preaction | it's completely broken now in Safari too, huge issues, completely useless | 22:35 |
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@Haarg | at least we don't have to deal with its shitty resizing anymore | 22:37 |
@Haarg | which was one of the more annoying things about it when it did work | 22:37 |
@preaction | should I just go ahead and integrate the YUI resize into this? | 22:38 |
@Haarg | maybe. depends on if you are going to make it depend yui. | 22:39 |
@Haarg | depend on | 22:39 |
@preaction | I can't think of anything wrong with making it depend on YUI. but maybe there's something already like this | 22:40 |
@Haarg | we don't need it to be integrated for our use though | 22:40 |
@Haarg | i looked around | 22:40 |
+perlDreamer | would it be easier to add syntax highlighting to simpleEditor? | 22:40 |
+perlDreamer | or, do downstream revs already have that? | 22:40 |
@Haarg | there was a thing on davglass that was an early start on a code area | 22:40 |
@Haarg | but very incomplete | 22:40 |
+perlmonkey2 | there has to be a way to get GWT mini projects into WebGUI. Writing and maintaining javascript is vastly superior. And using the GWT doesnt' require *any* additional libraries and all current YUI libs can still be used as is. The only requirement is devs need GWT dev envrinments. | 22:41 |
+perlmonkey2 | Like writing projects in assemble vs writing them in C++. | 22:41 |
@Haarg | http://blog.davglass.com/files/yui/codeeditor/ | 22:42 |
SDuensin | Wha? GWT? :-) | 22:43 |
@preaction | heh, wonder if it would be easier/faster to just finish implementing this one | 22:44 |
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+perlDreamer | it'd be nicer to have fewer outside dependencies | 22:44 |
@Haarg | it might be | 22:44 |
+perlDreamer | only YUI, or only GWT, or whatever | 22:44 |
SDuensin | I *REALLY* want to build a "Visual Basic" like tool into WebGUI. GWT would make it pretty easy, but you get no free layout tools. | 22:44 |
SDuensin | There's also the crazy Tibco GI thing - you get an editor with that. | 22:45 |
@Haarg | yui is about our only outside dependancy | 22:45 |
@Haarg | tinymce as well but we're planning to get rid of that when we can | 22:45 |
+perlmonkey2 | gwt isn't an outside dependency. There are no gwt libs. Your source files contain everything. | 22:45 |
* SDuensin REALLY wants a visual designer for YUI. | 22:47 | |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: does GWT have a custom API? | 22:50 |
+perlDreamer | you know what JS newbie I am, so I'm sorry for the pedantic questions | 22:50 |
SDuensin | perlDreamer - GWT is odd... | 22:51 |
SDuensin | You code in Java and it compiles it to JS. | 22:51 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: You don't write JS code with the GWT. you use a higher level language that is compiled to JS. | 22:51 |
+perlmonkey2 | Like writing C++ to create asm. | 22:51 |
SDuensin | Yea | 22:51 |
+perlmonkey2 | which is part of the charm. A lot of the difficult stuff is abstracted away. | 22:52 |
SDuensin | I really like GWT. | 22:53 |
+perlmonkey2 | Like the Google devs who wrote Wave said it was impossible to have done in JS, even though it is a JS app. Without the abstraction of GWT, they'd still be debugging and running in circles. | 22:53 |
SDuensin | I figured none of the WebGUI people would since it's Java. :-P | 22:53 |
SDuensin | Wave? | 22:53 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, maybe it made it easier to write Wave, but it's never impossible | 22:54 |
+perlmonkey2 | I was hesitant to even look at it for a long time because it seemed tightly coupled to Google APP Engine which I didn't ever dig. But it is its own unique super toy :D | 22:54 |
+perlDreamer | there are a couple of guys who have built a whole OS writing it in assembly | 22:54 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: hah, yeah, like writing emacs in asm isn't impossible. | 22:54 |
+perlDreamer | nutso perhaps, but not impossible ;) | 22:54 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: yes, that very famous feature complete and timely written OS we all know about today :P | 22:54 |
SDuensin | What's Wave? | 22:54 |
+perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: no google toy. Nice video and you might be able to get into the demo app | 22:55 |
+perlDreamer | Wave is a new paradigm for conversations online | 22:55 |
+perlDreamer | if you could embed comments and fork an email, that's kind of like Wave | 22:55 |
+perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: basically waves allow async communication between servers and other waves. fully open source | 22:55 |
+perlmonkey2 | Two people editing a doc in real time was just nuts. As each edited, the others edits appeared on each others screens. | 22:56 |
SDuensin | I'll have to watch the vid when I have time. | 22:56 |
+perlmonkey2 | since things happen in real time emails will no longer exist, just ongoing conversations. | 22:56 |
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+perlmonkey2 | although you can turn off the real time stuff if you need to edit and compose. | 22:56 |
SDuensin | Good. Email is a pain. | 22:57 |
+perlmonkey2 | yeah, I vastly prefer IM, IRC, text mesasges. | 22:57 |
SDuensin | Me too. | 22:57 |
+perlmonkey2 | But just about anything is supposed to be embeddable in a wave. | 22:57 |
+perlmonkey2 | so you can put multiple web pages in a wave you're looking at. | 22:58 |
SDuensin | Email servers are a hacked together pile of spam fighting junk. | 22:58 |
+perlmonkey2 | hah, exactly | 22:58 |
SDuensin | I just built one. Set *ONE* option wrong and had 30k spams overnight. | 22:59 |
@preaction | set in wrong the other way and you'll get blacklisted ;) | 22:59 |
SDuensin | hehehe | 22:59 |
* SDuensin fixed it | 22:59 | |
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@preaction | for the syntax editor, all we really really want is something that WORKS and has syntax highlighting, right? | 23:05 |
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+perlDreamer | and, really, syntax highlighting for JS, CSS, and HTML | 23:05 |
+perlDreamer | anything beyond that is extra | 23:05 |
@Haarg | i would prioritize working above any features | 23:05 |
@preaction | so if I turn the one at davglass into pluggable highlighting and add highlighting for that stuff, I can put it in and we're done | 23:06 |
@preaction | the one at davglass seems working just fine | 23:06 |
@preaction | i want: fullscreen and turning the highlighting pluggable | 23:06 |
+perlDreamer | fullscreen? | 23:06 |
+perlDreamer | maybe we better define a feature set? | 23:06 |
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+perlDreamer | resizing, works on IE6, IE7, IE8?, FF 3.0.x, FF3.5, Safari? | 23:07 |
@preaction | okay, what are the most annoying things about having to edit templates in WebGUI? | 23:07 |
+perlDreamer | I can't use vim to do it | 23:07 |
+perlDreamer | sorry, I need to stop being a smartass | 23:07 |
+perlDreamer | the screen is often too skinny | 23:07 |
@preaction | no, file import was a planned feature add for the code editor | 23:07 |
@preaction | import/export | 23:08 |
+BartJol | vim = vi for meisjes | 23:08 |
@preaction | that's why i'm thinking fullscreen would be better than just resizable | 23:08 |
+perlDreamer | I think people have come to expect resizing on anything that looks like a textarea, though | 23:08 |
+perlDreamer | that was the gist of the original resizing bug | 23:09 |
@preaction | but really, once I have "works" and syntax for HTML, JS, CSS, and SQL, it's going in | 23:09 |
@preaction | oh, and resizing | 23:09 |
@Haarg | full screen would be nice, but that could come later. i wouldn't count it as a requirement. | 23:09 |
@preaction | resizing will be in, but fullscreen will be different (it will float above the page, so it can be bigger than the page) | 23:09 |
@preaction | yeah, Works, Syntax (JS, HTML, CSS, SQL), and Resize and it's going in. that's it | 23:09 |
@Haarg | in webgui 8 fullscreen would be less needed | 23:09 |
+perlDreamer | why? | 23:10 |
@preaction | new admin console | 23:10 |
@preaction | but we'll talk about that at the WUC | 23:10 |
+perlDreamer | okay | 23:10 |
@Haarg | tab->space conversion and auto-indenting | 23:11 |
@Haarg | auto-indent being more important | 23:11 |
@Haarg | the thing on davglass already has tab->space conversion | 23:11 |
Trex | Just to throw in my two cents -- when I'm doing serious template development, I usually copy the code back and forth between WebGUI and Dreamweaver, especially if I'm copying code from one template to another. | 23:13 |
Trex | ...but now that I seem to have stopped all conversation, perhaps I can butt in with a question about Apache2::Reload? | 23:15 |
Trex | I've got a VM set up with the dev site running, and everything seems to be working with regard to WebGUI itself, but perhaps I don't understand how Apache2::Reload is supposed to work... | 23:17 |
@Haarg | are there any changes that could be made to the code editor to make it more useful for you though? | 23:17 |
@preaction | tab->space conversion should be syntax-aware, no? HTML, CSS, and JS should get tabs. SQL should get spaces | 23:17 |
+perlDreamer | no, no tabs | 23:17 |
@Haarg | why tabs in html/css/js? | 23:17 |
+perlDreamer | tabs are bad | 23:17 |
@preaction | they should get tabs because \t is one character, " " is 4 characters | 23:18 |
@Haarg | so? | 23:18 |
Trex | I go into the API and edit something small just to see if it appears on the site without reloading modperl, and nothing. I still have to restart modperl in order to see the changes take place. | 23:18 |
+perlDreamer | that's why we have packed templates? | 23:18 |
@preaction | worse, " " is 8 characters | 23:18 |
@Haarg | you already have packing | 23:18 |
@preaction | that we don't use | 23:18 |
@Haarg | what places are you changing trex? | 23:18 |
@preaction | okay, we should be using packing, conceded | 23:18 |
@Haarg | and how do you have Apache2::Reload configured? | 23:18 |
@Haarg | i don't think the three extra characters are going to make a difference compared to the other problems we have with white space in templates | 23:20 |
Trex | Haarg, to answer your second question first, I set up the WRE on the VM using the web-based configuration utility, and selected "yes" for the "do you want to set up a development environment" question. | 23:20 |
@Haarg | i don't remember if that actually enables apache2::reload though | 23:21 |
Trex | I haven't seen any documentation that says you need to do anything else to enable it. | 23:21 |
Trex | What should I expect to get with the "do you want to set up a development environment" option? I assumed something more than just a demo site called "dev". | 23:22 |
@Haarg | is there documentation that says it does enable it? | 23:22 |
Trex | The WebGUI Administrator's Guide book does. ... | 23:23 |
Trex | p. 15 | 23:23 |
Trex | On the WRE for Developers wiki page: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wre-for-developers it says "Note that Apache2::Reload is no longer enabled in WRE version 0.8.3" | 23:24 |
Trex | ...but I presumed that meant in the standard WRE setup. If you don't get it enabled when you select to set up a dev environment, what is the point of the dev environment? | 23:24 |
@preaction | we're removing the dev environment option completely in a future version, because there is no point | 23:24 |
@Haarg | the primary thing it does aside from creating the site is adjusting the process limits for apache | 23:25 |
@Haarg | so it starts less forked processes | 23:25 |
Trex | So I guess my next question is this: if what I want is to set up a development environment in which I don't have to restart modperl to test every change I make, what should I do? | 23:25 |
@preaction | enable Apache2::Reload | 23:26 |
@preaction | perldoc Apache2::Reload tells you what to do. the file you want is /data/wre/etc/mysite.modperl | 23:26 |
Trex | It would appear that Apache2::Reload doesn't come with the WRE installation? I would need to get that from CPAN? | 23:28 |
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@Haarg | yes | 23:30 |
Trex | Hmmm... the command should just be "cpan> install Apache2::Reload", no? | 23:36 |
@Haarg | yes | 23:36 |
Trex | That's giving me: Fetching with LWP: | 23:37 |
Trex | ftp://ftp.perl.org/pub/CPAN/authors/01mailrc.txt.gz | 23:37 |
Trex | ...and just seems to hang there. | 23:37 |
@preaction | give it time | 23:39 |
Trex | OK... LWP finally failed (code 400) and it's trying Net::FTP. Is this not uncommon with CPAN? | 23:40 |
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@preaction | it happens. you might want to choose more / different mirrors | 23:42 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r278e4c6 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Pay.pm): | 23:42 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Log any errors found when calling Shop::Pay->getDrivers, instead of | 23:42 |
CIA-53 | webgui: silently passing them along. | 23:42 |
@Haarg | you might have better luck with an http mirror | 23:43 |
@Haarg | try "o conf urllist http://www.cpan.org/" | 23:44 |
Trex | OK, thanks. I finally got the module and seems to have installed. | 23:45 |
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Trex | It was easy enough to download the module from the CPAN website -- is there an install-from-local-copy option on the command line? I couldn't find anything in the perldoc for cpan that seemed to indicate this was an option. | 23:46 |
@Haarg | after extracting it, change to its directory | 23:46 |
@Haarg | and you can run cpan . | 23:46 |
@Haarg | or the normal Makefile.PL/Build.PL procedure | 23:47 |
+perlDreamer | I guess I need a double check on this | 23:48 |
+perlDreamer | when adding a new property to an asset | 23:48 |
+perlDreamer | you put it in the definition sub with a defaultValue | 23:49 |
+perlDreamer | you add the column to the database | 23:49 |
+perlDreamer | and when you instanciate the asset next, the value of the property is NULL? | 23:49 |
@Haarg | yes | 23:49 |
+perlDreamer | so proper procedure should be, add it to the definition sub, add a column to the db, update all revisions of existing assets. | 23:50 |
@Haarg | yes | 23:51 |
Trex | Thanks, Haarg and preaction. Now to see if I can get the modperl conf file properly configured... | 23:52 |
+perlDreamer | Trex, if you find it hard to do, you can always make a wiki page for it for the next guy | 23:52 |
Trex | Will do, but first I need to actually get it working enough that I'd want to send others down this path. | 23:53 |
Trex | Success! | 23:55 |
+perlDreamer | EMS fixed, on to the Carousel | 23:57 |
Trex | Now to see if I can replicate the process on one of the standard WebGUI VM machines, and then write something up for the wiki. | 23:57 |
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Trex | Oooh. There's a 7.6.20 VM out. Nice. | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/171369 | 00:00 |
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+perlDreamer | BartJol: are you still awake? | 00:10 |
+BartJol | I am | 00:14 |
+perlDreamer | want to talk VIES workflow? | 00:14 |
+BartJol | yeah | 00:14 |
+perlDreamer | why don't you let me know what you've done, and what problems you're having | 00:15 |
+BartJol | it has to get triggerd only when vies is unavailable | 00:15 |
+BartJol | well, actually I haven't been in code cracking mood that much | 00:15 |
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+BartJol | but I was mostly thinking whether I should call addVATNumber with the workflow | 00:16 |
+BartJol | or the Business::TAX::VAT::validate method | 00:16 |
+BartJol | and update the database | 00:17 |
+BartJol | and whether someone has to get notified | 00:17 |
+BartJol | or a timeout is needed | 00:17 |
+BartJol | so actually it is more a design issue | 00:18 |
+BartJol | and what we want to make | 00:18 |
+perlDreamer | it sounds like we need to add a Workflow trigger to addVATNumber | 00:19 |
+BartJol | I made a beginning of that | 00:19 |
+perlDreamer | wow, it sounds like you made a lot of progress on this | 00:20 |
+perlDreamer | If VIES is supposed to be up all the time, we don't need to worry about a maximum number of retries | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | spectre will do that for us automatically | 00:21 |
+BartJol | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m255314db | 00:22 |
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+perlDreamer | the retry timeout should be "a while", several minutes to an hour or longer | 00:22 |
+perlDreamer | not within seconds, since VIES may experience downtime, or the internet connection to VIES could be down | 00:22 |
+perlDreamer | maybe it does need a max retry. Try 5 times, and if it doesn't work after 5 tries, then send an email? | 00:23 |
+BartJol | yeah, I thought something like that, but it depends on how water-tight it has to be | 00:23 |
+BartJol | that sounds ok, but since it can be used in between, then you should also have a policy for disabling or not | 00:24 |
+BartJol | I suppose not | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | for your paste, you have to create the workflow first, then create an instance of that workflow and run it. | 00:25 |
+BartJol | that is up to the users | 00:25 |
+BartJol | I copied it from Operation/User.pm | 00:27 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, that's a good place to start | 00:27 |
+perlDreamer | it really looks like you've done a good job so far | 00:27 |
+BartJol | at least I spend time thinking | 00:28 |
+BartJol | but the problem is that when I call this method from the workflow, it retries to write data to the database | 00:29 |
+BartJol | so that won't work | 00:29 |
+BartJol | or EU.pm needs a new sub | 00:30 |
+perlDreamer | to validate through VIES, it's just a few lines of code, it looks like. | 00:31 |
+perlDreamer | you could just make a new sub out of that, and both addVATNumber and the workflow can call it to check it | 00:31 |
+BartJol | same as EU.pm | 00:31 |
+BartJol | sub updateVAT | 00:32 |
+perlDreamer | line 163 | 00:33 |
+perlDreamer | of EU.pm | 00:33 |
+perlDreamer | to do a local_check, or a check | 00:33 |
+BartJol | yes | 00:33 |
+BartJol | and I just have to read more on calling workflow instances | 00:34 |
+BartJol | oh, I couldn't find how to get a activity Id | 00:34 |
+BartJol | is there some doc on that? | 00:34 |
+perlDreamer | do you mean a workflowId? | 00:35 |
+BartJol | oh, yes, sorry | 00:35 |
+BartJol | I did enter it in the db | 00:35 |
+BartJol | conf I mean | 00:35 |
+perlDreamer | most of the time, you set the workflowId when you build the workflow in the upgrade subroutine | 00:35 |
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+BartJol | pulled to hard at my cat 5 cable | 00:36 |
+perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/171406 | 00:37 |
+BartJol | ah | 00:37 |
+BartJol | ok | 00:37 |
+perlDreamer | for your workflow, the mode should not be singleton, as it may need to revalidate several numbers | 00:37 |
+perlDreamer | alternately, you can make it go through the db and try to revalidate all numbers, in which case singleton would be better. | 00:38 |
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+BartJol | well, I'd rather call it just once for that VAT number | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | in that case, parallel mode is the right one | 00:39 |
+BartJol | ok | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | but you'll also need to pass the activity the number to revalidate | 00:39 |
+BartJol | so I also have to make an upgrade script | 00:40 |
+BartJol | yes | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | yes, you'll need to make an upgrade script to create the workflow | 00:40 |
+BartJol | well, I won't make that for 7.7.18 | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | no, and that's fine. | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | there are still open bugs that need to be closed | 00:40 |
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+perlDreamer | and the next release will be in two weeks... | 00:41 |
+BartJol | WebGUI still works without validating VAT numbers | 00:41 |
+perlDreamer | unless we can close it sooner | 00:41 |
+BartJol | ah, just before the wuc | 00:41 |
+perlDreamer | sooner would be better | 00:42 |
+BartJol | sure | 00:42 |
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+BartJol | well, I am off for tonight, bon appetit | 00:43 |
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@preaction | hm... why don't we have a WebGUI::Form::Gravatar yet? | 00:58 |
@Haarg | because you haven't written it yet | 00:59 |
@preaction | okay. sounds like a nice little 2 hour project | 00:59 |
@preaction | gotta have a way to get the user's "avatar" too, an API that places can use | 01:00 |
@preaction | but that can be second | 01:00 |
Trex | Thanks again for the help, folks. I've just confirmed the process on an out-of-the-box WebGUI VM, so a wiki page shouldn't be too much work. | 01:16 |
Trex | However, it's time to head home for the day. Adios. | 01:16 |
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+perlDreamer | crud | 01:35 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: were you going to commit the fix for blank paydrivers? | 01:36 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5ef030d / (6 files in 6 dirs): | 02:21 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Give the Carousel a minimum width, and expose it as a template variable to help | 02:21 |
CIA-53 | webgui: YUI Carousel with rendering. Adjust default template, Help, i18n. | 02:21 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Fixes bug #10511. - http://bit.ly/1XnFjU | 02:21 |
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+perlDreamer | howdy, patspam! | 02:30 |
+perlDreamer | thanks for the Carousel tip | 02:30 |
+patspam | did that lick it? | 02:31 |
+perlDreamer | it was half of it | 02:31 |
+patspam | great | 02:31 |
+perlDreamer | apparently the Carousel needs a width on the first <LI> to render correctly | 02:31 |
+perlDreamer | then I added a overflow:auto to provide scrollbars for anything wider than that | 02:32 |
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Slaine | Hi guys... | 02:54 |
+perlDreamer | Howdy, Slaine | 02:54 |
Slaine | PerlDSreamer: sorry for the funny ticket yesterday :) | 02:54 |
+perlDreamer | no problem :) | 02:55 |
Slaine | now I have a smooth running 7.7 reunning | 02:55 |
+perlDreamer | awesome. | 02:55 |
Slaine | I took some time to play with some assets. I assume there's still some implementations to make on the google map, roght? | 02:56 |
+perlDreamer | yes, there were several bugs fixed in the Map today | 02:56 |
Slaine | (aka displaying field labels of the map point in interactive edit mode, and the like).. | 02:57 |
+perlDreamer | you might want to check the bug board (http://www.webgui.org/bugs) for which ones were fixed, exactly | 02:57 |
Slaine | also, I would like to know if you intent to make it possible to include a "search" feature.. like (just an example) i have implemented all the AT&T point of sales as map point entries, and i want to let the users doing a query with city name, so it displays the city with all the map points into it. | 02:59 |
Slaine | Even better, I would like to make the user say: show me all the garages that are 20 miles from the city I live in. | 03:00 |
+perlDreamer | I haven't heard of anything like that. If it's something you'd like to see added, you should submit an RFE for it (http://www.webgui.org/rfe) | 03:00 |
+perlDreamer | also, if you know how to code, feel free to implement it, and then attach a patch to the RFE. It usually helps the RFE get put into the core more quickly. If the RFE is approved. | 03:01 |
Slaine | oki.. just for your info, look at this site (not webgui and in french, but still self explanatory): just type NICE in the textbox (it's a town in france)... | 03:02 |
+perlDreamer | I've heard of Nice | 03:02 |
Slaine | http://www.allogarage.fr/ | 03:02 |
+perlDreamer | that's very handy | 03:03 |
Slaine | I assume the guy just did it in JS from scratch | 03:04 |
Slaine | users can even "evaluate" the garage (like you do in amazon.com) | 03:04 |
Slaine | a map point is based on a template, right? so if we want to add/modify one the field purposes of a map point, we just have to create our own "map point template. am i correct? | 03:06 |
+perlDreamer | to be honest, I'm not that familiar with the Map Wobject. | 03:06 |
Slaine | oki was just thinking there may be some key features I hope the dev team isn't missing :) | 03:07 |
+perlDreamer | The MapPoint has a series of 5 userDefined fields that can be used for different purposes | 03:08 |
+perlDreamer | so yes, I think that a custom template would work. | 03:08 |
+perlDreamer | now, whether those userDefined fields are exposed to be used when adding a point, that is a different question | 03:08 |
@preaction | the Map asset is bare-bones right now, I admit that (as the developer). it filled the client's needs, but there is lots lots that can be done with the API we're not doing | 03:09 |
Slaine | ok thanks. so it may be worth to make a feature request? or is the roadmap for 7.7 frozen already? | 03:11 |
@preaction | make the RFE, we're always looking for ideas | 03:11 |
@preaction | 7.7 is frozen, but the next beta branch happens as soon as 7.7 goes stable (which should be 7.7.19) | 03:11 |
Slaine | oki doki | 03:12 |
+perlDreamer | 7.7 has been frozen for several months. I would make a feature request for it, anyway, since development of the next version will begin soon | 03:13 |
+perlDreamer | speaking of 7.7.19-1, preaction: any pending commits? | 03:13 |
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@preaction | that shouldn't be an issue, provided the module loads | 03:19 |
+perlDreamer | I'll add it to testEnvironment.pl, and close out the bug, then. | 03:19 |
+perlDreamer | and then I'll start the release | 03:19 |
@preaction | sounds good | 03:19 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rca7ca66 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt sbin/testEnvironment.pl): Document that Readonly is a required module. Fixes bug #10801 | 03:41 |
Slaine | oki my rfe is posted. hope it's clear enough :) | 03:47 |
Slaine | time for bed now. Cheers all | 03:53 |
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+perlmonkey2 | hmm, so there is no point in rewriting any of the wobbly parts of survey with gwt since they won't be allowed into the project, is there? | 04:49 |
+perlDreamer | unless they fix a bug, nothing else should be going into WebGUI right now | 04:50 |
+perlmonkey2 | even on a beta wobject? | 04:51 |
+perlDreamer | There's only 1 posted bug about the Survey, the IE6 rendering issue | 04:52 |
+perlmonkey2 | I thought preaction said it worked with all IEs and FF? | 04:52 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: ping | 04:53 |
+perlDreamer | awake, oh multi-browser tester | 04:53 |
@preaction | sup | 04:53 |
+perlDreamer | What's the status on the IE6 Survey Edit bug? | 04:53 |
@preaction | let me check | 04:53 |
+perlDreamer | it's still open on the board | 04:53 |
@preaction | yeah, i mean i'm going to check IE6 to see if it works | 04:54 |
+perlDreamer | gotcha | 04:54 |
+perlmonkey2 | I hate how YUI does that. such a fudge. | 04:54 |
+perlmonkey2 | should drop the YUI panel for a hand rolled one. | 04:54 |
+perlmonkey2 | but that would require gumption I seem to be lacking. | 04:54 |
+perlDreamer | As flow the gumptionless in an hourglass, these are the Days of Our Lives | 05:01 |
@preaction | still seems broken: Line 57, Char 9, document.getElementById(...) is null or not an object | 05:07 |
+perlDreamer | that's IE6 on XP? | 05:07 |
@preaction | yes | 05:07 |
+perlDreamer | down to 1 failing test, the search index one | 05:08 |
+perlDreamer | search seems to be working okay without it | 05:08 |
+perlDreamer | but the change worries me | 05:08 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r929e99c / t/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.t : | 05:11 |
CIA-53 | webgui: requestAutoCommit forks a workflow to commit, use skipAutoCommitWorkflow and | 05:11 |
CIA-53 | webgui: commit it now, manually. - http://bit.ly/1hCwtF | 05:11 |
+perlDreamer | maybe all the quotes are superfluous? | 05:15 |
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+perlmonkey2 | If you yell at me tomorrow I'll fix it. Or if I remember I'll fix it. | 06:01 |
* perlDreamer tries not to yell, but if you insist | 06:13 | |
+perlmonkey2 | On that note I'm hitting the hay. | 06:15 |
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+perlDreamer | good night, perlmonkey2 | 06:16 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: http://www.diylife.com/2009/07/27/how-to-make-kettle-corn/ <- your kids will LOVE it (i think) | 06:35 |
+perlDreamer | probably, but due to braces, they can't eat it :( | 06:35 |
@preaction | omg no! | 06:35 |
@preaction | secret: I still wear a bottom retainer, and i eat it ;) | 06:36 |
@preaction | but yeah, i get it | 06:36 |
@preaction | brownies it is then | 06:36 |
+perlDreamer | Here's the No-list: Corn chips and tortillas, gummy anything, including gum, hard candy, licorice, bagels, breadsticks, pizza crust, pretzels, nuts | 06:36 |
+perlDreamer | wow! that's pretty easy | 06:37 |
@preaction | yep, anything hard or sticky | 06:37 |
+perlDreamer | how goes the diet? | 06:37 |
@preaction | i used to have braces myself | 06:37 |
+perlDreamer | you're awfully skinny to need a diet, btw | 06:37 |
@preaction | i weighed 220 lbs | 06:37 |
@preaction | my BMI is like 27.2 | 06:37 |
@preaction | my ideal weight is more near 180 | 06:37 |
@preaction | i just carry my weight well, i think. nobody believes me when i tell them how much i actually weigh | 06:38 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, and carrying a scale around is not too fashion savvy, so what are you to do? | 06:38 |
@preaction | lose weight? | 06:39 |
+perlDreamer | I've read too many Garfield comic strips to diet easily | 06:39 |
+perlDreamer | Diet is Die, with a T | 06:39 |
+perlDreamer | Diet is self-denial, and I'm such a nice guy I can't deny myself anything | 06:40 |
+perlDreamer | How many skinny people can you put in a shower? | 06:40 |
+perlDreamer | I don't know either, they keep slipping down the drain | 06:40 |
+perlDreamer | it's going to be a late night | 06:45 |
@preaction | upgrade not going well? | 06:46 |
+perlDreamer | hasn't started yet | 06:50 |
+perlDreamer | just got tests to pass on the source install | 06:50 |
+perlDreamer | as of today, we have 15 kTests | 06:50 |
+perlDreamer | of course, several thousand of those are automated i18n help tests, and template i18n checks, and so on | 06:52 |
+perlDreamer | so the number is slightly inflated | 06:52 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4e3fd9e / t/Search/Index.t : Update test to follow new style of adding words to search index. - http://bit.ly/7n1vr | 07:21 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0390d77 / t/Mail/Send.t : Update number of tests to skip when the correct modules aren't present. - http://bit.ly/130zgq | 07:31 |
+perlDreamer | finally | 07:33 |
+perlDreamer | starting upgrade | 07:33 |
+perlDreamer | btw, for those of you in the studio audience, many of the tests fail when sslEnabled is set in the config file | 07:33 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r232df69 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.7.18 release. - http://bit.ly/nOaby | 07:42 |
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+perlDreamer | upgrade done, doing marketing | 08:11 |
+perlDreamer | marketing is done | 08:16 |
+perlDreamer | let's stablize this thing! | 08:16 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r91b37aa / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.7.19 development. - http://bit.ly/HMP37 | 08:22 |
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Socrates | who can i thank for the new webgui website layout, this is a lot better than the previous website | 09:12 |
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+bartjol | plainhao: do you an idea where I have to start to trace the problem that I can't run Operations when not connected to the internet | 13:39 |
@plainhao | oh, i don't have an idea off the top of my head | 13:48 |
@plainhao | personally, i'd search through the code first | 13:48 |
@plainhao | scan the modules being used | 13:48 |
+bartjol | I want to be independent of internet connection during my prsentation | 13:49 |
@plainhao | k, understood | 13:49 |
@plainhao | using mac? | 13:49 |
+bartjol | ubuntu | 13:49 |
@plainhao | ah, k | 13:49 |
+bartjol | the rest works fine, only operations give an error | 13:50 |
@plainhao | not sure, i'd have to dig around, i've never encountered any net connection dependencies, though | 13:50 |
@plainhao | when's your presentation? | 13:50 |
+bartjol | friday | 13:50 |
+bartjol | late afternoon | 13:51 |
@plainhao | today? | 13:51 |
+bartjol | no, during the wuc | 13:51 |
@plainhao | ah, k | 13:51 |
+bartjol | so I have some time left | 13:51 |
@plainhao | i'll ask our guys and i'll take a look when i have a min | 13:51 |
+bartjol | but I want it fixed, since a contentHandler is part of my presentation | 13:51 |
+bartjol | cool | 13:51 |
@plainhao | khenn says to report it on the bugs list :) | 13:54 |
@plainhao | i'll try to take a look sometime today | 13:54 |
+bartjol | well, it might be a conf problem on my side | 13:54 |
@plainhao | at least you'll have more eyes on the problem if you post it | 13:54 |
+bartjol | but I'll rep[ort a bug | 13:55 |
@plainhao | cool | 13:55 |
+bartjol | first I am gonna check without my own contentHandler | 13:58 |
+bartjol | now the problem is gone... | 14:00 |
+bartjol | so it is my own code | 14:00 |
+bartjol | I am waiting with the bug report, it seems to have something to do with my own code | 14:03 |
+bartjol | plainhao: so don't dive into it yet | 14:05 |
@plainhao | k | 14:05 |
+bartjol | mmm, strange problem though, some pages work fine, others allow one op and then firefox complains that it is working offline and can't browse the web, while the same template is used | 14:22 |
+bartjol | but it is a bug in my code at most as far as I see right now | 14:23 |
+bartjol | more reproducing gives me the same error again | 14:35 |
+bartjol | with own code diabled | 14:35 |
+bartjol | plainhao: it seems to be ff-ubutu combination related | 14:54 |
+bartjol | konqueror works fine offline | 14:54 |
@plainhao | ah, k | 14:55 |
+bartjol | problem seems to be solved in ff 3.5.2 | 15:13 |
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jdanpl | Hi WebGUI gurus | 16:07 |
jdanpl | I think about auto refresh modules in Apache Mod Perl. I use wre-0.9.3 in my production and developeing work. Unfortunatelly in the last WRE there is no Apache2::Reload module. But there is POD file. The question is What now is the best solution for autoreloading changed modules? | 16:08 |
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+perlmonkey2 | Are github gists little nuggets of info you want to record somewhere? | 17:20 |
+perlmonkey2 | patspam: you around? | 17:21 |
+perlmonkey2 | patspam: I'm going to drive a stake into the ie6 bug on the survey design page today, but it will me a large redesign of the html/js. That shouldn't impact your custom templates, should it? | 17:22 |
+perlmonkey2 | s/will me/ will mean/ | 17:22 |
@Haarg | gist is mostly just another nopaste/pastebin service | 17:26 |
@Haarg | except you can fork existing gists and it will show the relationships | 17:26 |
@Haarg | and they are linked to a user so you can edit them after the fact/delete them | 17:26 |
+perlmonkey2 | hmm, interesting | 17:29 |
@Haarg | and if you don't already have App::Nopaste i highly recommend it | 17:31 |
+perlmonkey2 | hmm, okay I'll grab it. | 17:33 |
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ckotil | will the WRE's apache know what to do with this? $ENV{'REMOTE_USER'}; | 17:49 |
ckotil | the remote user environment variable. | 17:49 |
@Haarg | the wre's apache is just like any other apache | 17:49 |
ckotil | hrmm, then i wonder why my custom auth module is unable to grab the remote user from the environemnt variable. | 17:53 |
ckotil | im tryin migrate to the wre. | 17:53 |
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ckotil | hrm, there just isn't a remote_user variable, i just dumped the %ENV hash | 18:04 |
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SquOnk | Greetings | 18:05 |
jdanpl | It's probably only in modproxy. Not in modperl | 18:05 |
ckotil | could be. and i thought I had my SSO working with the wre, but it turns out i dont. so first i need to figure that out. | 18:09 |
jdanpl | The problem is that not all ENV variables are the same in modperl where WebGUI works. modproxy is mediator | 18:09 |
ckotil | phew. got the SSO part working, by adding this before the proxy rewrite rule 'RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/cosign/valid' | 18:18 |
ckotil | but now im at hte problem again of getting the remote_user to mod_perl | 18:18 |
ckotil | gonna try adding a header. | 18:23 |
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@Haarg | morning perlDreamer | 18:26 |
+perlDreamer | morning, Haarg | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | I'm hating that foreign character thing right now | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | oh, before I forget, 2 questions for you | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | 1) quotes in search keywords are optional? | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | 2) How do I check the contents of merged.pkg to make sure there aren't .18 packages in there? | 18:31 |
@Haarg | for 2, there probably are | 18:32 |
@Haarg | but it won't matter | 18:32 |
@Haarg | the only easy way to make sure would be for me to reconstruct it | 18:32 |
@Haarg | which i can do relatively easily | 18:32 |
+perlDreamer | how do you do it? | 18:33 |
@Haarg | but there wouldn't be much point | 18:33 |
@Haarg | extracted the wgpkg files and combined them in a specific way | 18:33 |
@Haarg | made some simple scripts to do so | 18:33 |
@Haarg | as for 1, optional how? | 18:36 |
@Haarg | if there are quotes it will do the search differently | 18:36 |
@Haarg | what part of the foreign character thing do you hate? | 18:37 |
+perlDreamer | t/Search/Index.t was failing last night | 18:37 |
@Haarg | ah | 18:37 |
+perlDreamer | it checks that data was inserted correctly into the db | 18:37 |
@Haarg | sorry about that | 18:37 |
+perlDreamer | not worried about it | 18:38 |
+perlDreamer | we do enough of that back and forth between us | 18:38 |
@Haarg | i should have checked/fixed/improved the tests though | 18:38 |
+perlDreamer | and they seem to be optional, which will make the search index slightly smaller | 18:38 |
+perlDreamer | re foreign characters... | 18:39 |
@Haarg | well, the old indexer was sticking 2 single quotes between every word | 18:39 |
+perlDreamer | we spent about 3-4 hours yesterday looking at perl code, and it turns out that TinyMCE's encoding prevents that new code from doing what it needs to do | 18:40 |
@Haarg | for chinese characters? | 18:40 |
@Haarg | or others? | 18:40 |
@Haarg | because i tested both | 18:40 |
@Haarg | and they worked | 18:40 |
@Haarg | manually i mean | 18:40 |
+perlDreamer | the original poster reopened the ticket saying that it didn't work | 18:41 |
+perlDreamer | maybe ideographs aren't encoded, but latin-1 special characters (umlauts, tildes and accents) are encoded? | 18:41 |
@Haarg | i didn't test any latin-1 special characters | 18:42 |
+perlDreamer | me either | 18:43 |
@Haarg | just checked and it does seem to be behaving incorrectly | 18:44 |
+perlmonkey2 | hmm, not familiar with wgd's build. 'perl Build.PL' then ./Build. Shouldn't that build the new wgd in bin? | 18:46 |
+perlDreamer | no | 18:46 |
+perlDreamer | perl Build.PL | 18:46 |
+perlDreamer | perl Build install | 18:46 |
@Haarg | alternatively | 18:47 |
@Haarg | cpan . | 18:47 |
+perlmonkey2 | nice | 18:47 |
+perlmonkey2 | I need to stop blowing away this server. Reconfiguring it for non-wre instances is a pain :P | 18:48 |
@Haarg | with the latest in git, after going perl Build.PL, you can do ./Build distexec and it will generate a single executable named wgd-v0.4.0 that contains everything. | 18:48 |
@Haarg | but all that really is is a self extracting shell script | 18:48 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, http://gist.github.com/172130 would be a simple solution | 18:54 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: FF 3.0.10 on FC10 using TinyMCE: taggedStrongly taggedStrongly home taggedstrongly schön | 18:54 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 18:55 |
@Haarg | what we want to do with tinymce is somewhat beside the point, because it's perfectly valid to have html entities in the content and they should be indexed properly | 18:55 |
@Haarg | so excluding that one, what bugs do we have left? | 19:10 |
+perlDreamer | Strange shelf behavior. I don't believe this to be a bug currently, but it's worth more digging | 19:10 |
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+perlDreamer | i18n VIEW retry bug. BartJol is working on this. | 19:11 |
+perlDreamer | VIES retry bug, rather | 19:11 |
+perlDreamer | Survey Edit screen in IE6 | 19:11 |
+perlDreamer | pbworkflow000000007 hanging | 19:11 |
+perlDreamer | Access to support -> pending the subscribable asset aspect | 19:12 |
+perlDreamer | preaction is fixing all EditArea bugs by replacing it with something that works | 19:12 |
+perlDreamer | that's it | 19:13 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: DON'T FORGET TO LOOK AT THE IE6 SURVEY EDIT BUG | 19:13 |
+perlDreamer | really, we're in good shape | 19:13 |
@Haarg | how is the subscribable aspect going to deal with the access to support issue? | 19:13 |
+perlmonkey2 | yeah yeah, first I've got to set up wg on my server | 19:13 |
+perlDreamer | we were going to do the group introspection thing | 19:14 |
+perlmonkey2 | Test::Class....wtf, I know some modules are a pain to install, but really CentOS, I can't even isntall that? | 19:14 |
@Haarg | ah | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | we don't need Test::Class | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | yet | 19:14 |
+perlmonkey2 | testEnvironment wants it | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | oh | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | isn't it coming up optional? | 19:14 |
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+perlmonkey2 | Checking for module Test::Class: | 19:15 |
+perlmonkey2 | Not installed, do you want to install it now? {y|n} [y] | 19:15 |
+perlmonkey2 | doesn't look optional to m.e | 19:15 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg: I could use a little utf8 pointer with this: http://gist.github.com/172151 | 19:18 |
+perlDreamer | might be easier if I commit the test | 19:19 |
@Haarg | utf8::upgrade doesn't return the string | 19:20 |
@Haarg | it modifies it in place | 19:20 |
+perlDreamer | ah | 19:20 |
+perlDreamer | which you can't do with a constant | 19:20 |
@Haarg | correct | 19:21 |
@Haarg | so you could either use utf8 in the test | 19:21 |
@Haarg | or put the encoded sequences in the string | 19:21 |
@Haarg | \uxxx | 19:22 |
@Haarg | or is it \x | 19:22 |
+perlDreamer | \x for hexadecimal encoding | 19:22 |
@Haarg | was reading json stuff recently | 19:22 |
@Haarg | if you do either of those things you won't need to use utf8::upgrade | 19:23 |
+perlDreamer | what about data coming back from the db? | 19:25 |
@Haarg | that should be correct as well | 19:26 |
@Haarg | the only reason i have it in that gist is because HTML::Entities doesn't do it right | 19:26 |
@Haarg | something we ran into before if you remember | 19:26 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 19:26 |
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+perlDreamer | still failing, this time because of what's in the db: http://gist.github.com/172164 | 19:29 |
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@Haarg | what is in the db? | 19:32 |
+perlDreamer | title menuTitle This is a synopsis root import menutitle sch?n ca??n keyword2 keyword1 | 19:33 |
+perlDreamer | that's from the mysql client | 19:33 |
+perlDreamer | and this is the pending diff http://gist.github.com/172169 | 19:34 |
+perlDreamer | if I do a set names 'utf8' in the client, then the characters look right | 19:36 |
@Haarg | ok | 19:37 |
@Haarg | i changed wgd db to always set that btw | 19:37 |
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@Haarg | it's still the utf8::upgrade not doing what you want | 19:47 |
@Haarg | you definitely don't want to do it on keywords | 19:48 |
@Haarg | putting use utf8; above that section fixes it | 19:48 |
@Haarg | or using \xF6 \xF1 \xF3 instead of the characters you have | 19:49 |
@Haarg | oh, and the & is stripped out of the index | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, I pulled that out | 19:49 |
@Haarg | the utf8::* functions are very rarely what you want to use | 19:50 |
+perlDreamer | let me see if I can make sense of it | 19:51 |
+perlDreamer | because I put utf8 characters in as "string literals", I should have used utf8, telling perl that some of my source was in utf8 | 19:51 |
@Haarg | yes | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | using the \x gets around that, since the binary string constructed is made correctly | 19:52 |
@Haarg | that fixed it when i tested it | 19:52 |
@Haarg | yes, you are explicitly telling perl the characters to stick in the string | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | I wonder if JT will let me borrow his kitchen to do some baking when I get there | 19:53 |
+perlDreamer | odd, the helpdesk just crashed by entire browser | 19:58 |
+perlDreamer | okay, fixed | 20:00 |
+perlDreamer | although it wouldn't hurt to add in some chinese ideograph tests to honor the work that you and gugod did yesterday | 20:01 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf68db11 / (4 files in 4 dirs): | 20:02 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Decode HTML entities sent by rich editors. Add tests for the decoding | 20:02 |
CIA-53 | webgui: inside the search indexer. Gotcha note. Fixes #10797. - http://bit.ly/27Mj4M | 20:02 |
+perlmonkey2 | maybe I should create a virt cent image that uses the wre and dev on it, cause I'm still running testEnv to config my system. | 20:11 |
@Haarg | you could just download the existing vmware image | 20:12 |
+perlmonkey2 | didn't realize it was being maintained | 20:12 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin was in here last month mentioning how to convert vmware images into VirtualBox images | 20:12 |
@Haarg | it would also be easy to upgrade though | 20:13 |
@Haarg | you can just load the vmware disk images directly in virtualbox | 20:13 |
* SDuensin heard his name! | 20:14 | |
+perlmonkey2 | I'll just create my own cent qemu image. I'm familiar with xen based virts and setting up wG with the wre only takes a few moments. | 20:16 |
+perlDreamer | speaking of virtual images, since the recent SF file manager change, I don't think anyone but admins can upload files to pbwebgui | 20:19 |
@Haarg | might be good to test | 20:19 |
@Haarg | that's not really a big deal though | 20:20 |
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+perlDreamer | searching for chinese ideographs isn't working | 20:53 |
+perlDreamer | At first, i wrote a test, and it was failing. | 20:55 |
+perlDreamer | so then I tried adding a search wobject to the site | 20:55 |
+perlDreamer | and putting chinese characters into the welcome asset | 20:55 |
+perlDreamer | they show up in the db correctly | 20:55 |
+perlDreamer | but searching for any one character doesn't work | 20:56 |
+perlDreamer | searching for an english word, like Welcome, does | 20:56 |
perlmonkey21 | bah, qemu won't build a x64 cent image, so now I'm netinstalling the i386. I'm going to spend all day setting up a dev env. No wonder I can't get crap done. | 20:56 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey21: I spent 4 hours trying to set up a dev env, when all I needed was libgomp | 20:56 |
perlmonkey21 | but now that I'll have an image, I'll never need to do this again. Whenever I get a hair up my arse to try a new OS, I'll just make sure it supports xen :P | 20:57 |
+perlDreamer | what are you running nowadays? | 20:57 |
perlmonkey21 | I went back to Cent5.3. Debian was teh sux | 20:58 |
perlmonkey21 | toyed with the idea of ubuntu-server, but realized I was just being paranoid about cent. | 20:58 |
perlmonkey21 | although with this image I'll probably just be deving on F11 hosting the cent image instead of using my server. | 20:59 |
perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: you still a F shop? | 20:59 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, it works for me | 20:59 |
perlmonkey21 | F10? | 20:59 |
+perlDreamer | still on F10 | 20:59 |
perlmonkey21 | F11 is a nice improvement. | 20:59 |
perlmonkey21 | but F10 was probably the first of the series that felt completely polished. | 21:00 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: http://gist.github.com/172255 | 21:01 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r46eb7b5 / lib/WebGUI/Search.pm : Document the missing assetIds option to WebGUI::Search->search. - http://bit.ly/cMn7j | 21:01 |
@Haarg | which part is failing? indexing or searching? | 21:02 |
+perlDreamer | searching | 21:02 |
+perlDreamer | let me commit the Search/Index that is passing | 21:02 |
+perlDreamer | I've manually verified that the db is fine | 21:03 |
+perlDreamer | it seems to be the search | 21:03 |
+perlDreamer | let me see if I can duplicate it on a demo site | 21:06 |
@Haarg | testing it manually works | 21:08 |
+perlDreamer | does that test snippet work for you? | 21:10 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rda12070 / t/Search/Index.t : Do chinese ideogram indexing. - http://bit.ly/GO2Zg | 21:11 |
+perlDreamer | testing on a beta demo site works, but it's also 1 day behind in code | 21:20 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd9cf707 / lib/WebGUI/Search.pm : Each Search object is good for 1, and only 1, search. - http://bit.ly/y7fmx | 21:21 |
+perlDreamer | It's not the version tag status, because searching for the word Chinese works | 21:23 |
+perlDreamer | searching for ideogram first doesn't work | 21:23 |
@Haarg | first? | 21:25 |
+perlDreamer | I tried switching the order of the tests | 21:27 |
+perlDreamer | In the paste I made earlier, I searched for Chinese first, then I made another, new search for ? | 21:27 |
+perlDreamer | switching the order doesn't affect the test failure | 21:27 |
@Haarg | so it's failing for you if you test it through the interface locally? | 21:28 |
+perlDreamer | yes, in both the automated test, and the search asset | 21:28 |
+perlDreamer | so at least it's consistent on my site | 21:29 |
+perlDreamer | but this beta demo works: http://beta.webgui.org/demo1250878473_295/home | 21:30 |
@Haarg | can get me the test that's failing in patch form? | 21:30 |
+perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/172285 | 21:30 |
@Haarg | works | 21:36 |
@Haarg | http://gist.github.com/172288 my my.cnf | 21:37 |
+perlDreamer | ft_min_word_len | 21:39 |
@Haarg | possibly | 21:40 |
@Haarg | it's set to 2 in the wre | 21:40 |
+perlDreamer | it is ft_min_word_len, I blindly started adding options one by one until the test passed | 21:41 |
+perlDreamer | the default is 4 | 21:41 |
@Haarg | odd | 21:41 |
@Haarg | because it was failing without the padding | 21:41 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, since the ideograms are 5 characters long now, with quotes | 21:41 |
@Haarg | so i added the padding and it started working | 21:41 |
@Haarg | exactly | 21:41 |
+perlDreamer | I'll try explicitly setting it to 4 | 21:42 |
+perlDreamer | 4 and 3 both fail | 21:42 |
@Haarg | you might using something else as padding as a test | 21:43 |
@Haarg | instead of ''char'', make it charaaaaaaaa | 21:43 |
@Haarg | we can't leave it like that, but it might help diagnose | 21:43 |
@preaction | Haarg, perlDreamer: I'm installing the new helpdesk, so bear with me if anything goes weird in the next 5 minutes | 21:45 |
@Haarg | ok | 21:46 |
* perlDreamer is about ready for a destressing run, so take your time | 21:46 | |
+perlDreamer | 'a'x8 passes with ft_min_word_len=4 | 21:46 |
+perlDreamer | when I use 'a'x8 as padding | 21:46 |
@Haarg | hrm | 21:46 |
+perlDreamer | maybe punctuation counts as 1/2 a character? :) | 21:47 |
@Haarg | so maybe we should try to come up with something different for padding? | 21:47 |
@Haarg | i don't know | 21:47 |
@Haarg | would be easy to try it with extra quote chars certainly | 21:47 |
+perlDreamer | doesn't help | 21:48 |
@Haarg | might try other punctuation characters, but other than that i'm not sure. will have to think about it for a bit. | 21:49 |
+perlDreamer | that didn't help either | 21:49 |
@preaction | done. let me and david know about any problems | 21:50 |
+perlDreamer | I have this funny pain in my elbow when I type ctrl-C with only my left hand | 21:50 |
@preaction | that doesn't sound good | 21:51 |
+perlDreamer | gotta run, bbl | 21:51 |
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ckotil | ended up having to add the SSO specific directives and apache module to modperl in the wre. | 22:26 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction: it's dead | 23:49 |
+perlDreamer | you've either closed every single bug, or its dead | 23:49 |
@preaction | try it again | 23:49 |
+perlDreamer | nope | 23:50 |
@Haarg | force refresh? | 23:50 |
@preaction | next time i'm going to do this in the middle of the night so a dozen people aren't all telling me the same thing | 23:50 |
* perlDreamer is sorry | 23:50 | |
@preaction | wg.org and pb.com are different sites now, but i just fixed wg.org | 23:50 |
@preaction | not your fault i'm an idiot :p | 23:50 |
+perlDreamer | be nice to my boss... | 23:52 |
+perlDreamer | okay, next year, party at my city: http://www.katu.com/news/local/53939567.html | 23:55 |
@preaction | that is the most awesome thing i've seen this week | 23:57 |
@preaction | "I want an Urban Assault Pig" | 23:57 |
@preaction | word | 23:57 |
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@preaction | even that awesomeness is not going to prevent me from ripping IE a new hole and stuff jalapeno peppers into it | 00:02 |
@preaction | lucky I don't know where to find habanero... | 00:02 |
+perlDreamer | I could UPS some, but it would be cheaper to buy local :/ | 00:05 |
@Haarg | i have a quart jar of cayenne | 00:07 |
@Haarg | would that be helpful? | 00:07 |
+perlDreamer | quart jar? | 00:07 |
+perlDreamer | what do you do with a quart jar of cayenne? | 00:08 |
@preaction | yeah, not nearly enough | 00:08 |
@preaction | maybe if i flayed its skin and used the cayenne | 00:08 |
@Haarg | cheaper in bulk | 00:08 |
+perlDreamer | does it stay fresh? | 00:08 |
@Haarg | yes | 00:08 |
@Haarg | fresh enough certainly. it's stronger than most cayenne | 00:09 |
+perlDreamer | okay, if you use more than two quotes, they're wasted, regardless of ft_min_word_len | 00:09 |
@Haarg | heh | 00:10 |
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@Haarg | use multiple types of quotes? | 00:10 |
+perlDreamer | and they have to be sequential | 00:10 |
+perlDreamer | it's almost like it's checking the length, and then doing some kind of parse and recheck | 00:10 |
+perlDreamer | I feel like we're gaming it | 00:11 |
+perlDreamer | which means it'll break | 00:11 |
@Haarg | yeah, but there's no way reason to do it correctly | 00:11 |
@Haarg | -reason | 00:11 |
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+perlDreamer | no, any sequence of quotes (mixed or not) longer than two is dropped | 00:12 |
@Haarg | well, then we're already at the best we can do | 00:13 |
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+perlDreamer | "''qq" . $word . "qq''" | 00:14 |
@Haarg | but that would match if someone searched for qq | 00:15 |
@Haarg | not that it would make much sense to do that | 00:15 |
+perlDreamer | I'll put a note into the gotcha file that ft_min_word_len needs to be 2 for doing ideographic text searches | 00:16 |
+perlDreamer | and the sooner we use a better search solution, the better | 00:16 |
@Haarg | yes | 00:16 |
+perlDreamer | he fixed the metadata! | 00:19 |
+perlDreamer | now, let's lose that karma rank column | 00:19 |
@Haarg | yeah, it displays correctly now | 00:19 |
@preaction | post a bug about it | 00:19 |
+perlDreamer | should just be a template change | 00:20 |
@Haarg | that would work around it | 00:20 |
@Haarg | but the real problem is that karma is one setting when it needs to be two | 00:20 |
+perlDreamer | I'll file it as a bug. | 00:21 |
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@preaction | it's not a template change, i didn't see where to change the template to do it | 00:22 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 00:22 |
+perlDreamer | well, someplace there's some JS that makes a dataform | 00:23 |
@preaction | yes, but i can't edit that or nothing will get the karma rank category | 00:23 |
+perlDreamer | and it needs a switch so that it's hidden for bugs, and not for rfes | 00:23 |
+perlDreamer | I'll file a bug | 00:23 |
@Haarg | there's already a karma switch | 00:24 |
@preaction | but i think it disables gathering of karma too | 00:24 |
@Haarg | it just needs to be changed so there is an additional switch so you get karma for posting | 00:24 |
@preaction | one for "enable karma" one for "rank tickets by karma" | 00:24 |
+perlDreamer | SquOnk: Please pay close attention to the gotchas for 7.7.19, they affect mysql config files | 00:24 |
+perlDreamer | how about "display karma rank"? | 00:25 |
@Haarg | it also effects the display of the difficulty | 00:25 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Will do. | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | SquOnk, if WebGUI used a more traditional translation file for i18n, could we get hooked up with the Debian translation crew? | 00:26 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Haven't done any i18n work in Debian, but I can check to see what's needed. | 00:28 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: AFAIK, the i18n crew translates Debconf template files only. | 00:28 |
+perlDreamer | oh | 00:28 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Debconf templates are used for package configuration questions. | 00:28 |
+perlDreamer | no language packs? | 00:28 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: You have the full locales... | 00:28 |
+perlDreamer | oh, of course | 00:28 |
+perlDreamer | they're translating Debian, not debian packages | 00:29 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: That's not exactly true... | 00:30 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: ...there's some translation going on for Debian package descriptions and sometimes patches are sent upstream with translations. But the effort is in installer/debconf | 00:31 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rea51ba5 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Add tests for ideogram searching. ft_min_word_len must be 2 or less. - http://bit.ly/42Q7sy | 00:31 |
+perlDreamer | okay | 00:31 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, i'm so sorry: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/10808 | 00:52 |
@Haarg | i'll try to take a look at that one though | 00:52 |
+perlDreamer | it is to be expected for us journeyman JS programmers | 00:57 |
+perlDreamer | if you fix it before I do, just let me know what process got you there? | 00:57 |
@Haarg | well, the error that's coming up is something about not finding a document | 00:58 |
@Haarg | and that option tries to disable the editor on init | 00:58 |
@Haarg | so it's probably just a timing issue | 00:59 |
+perlDreamer | not only that, but <tremors start> when it's disabled the textarea can't be resized | 01:00 |
@Haarg | heh | 01:01 |
@Haarg | well too bad | 01:01 |
* perlDreamer is starting to regret ever asking for that | 01:01 | |
+perlDreamer | it works for my IE6, on XP/SP3 | 01:11 |
@Haarg | http://beta.webgui.org/demo1250891447_479/ | 01:12 |
@Haarg | edit the welcome item | 01:12 |
+perlDreamer | I didn't have warnings turned on, in the browser | 01:13 |
@Haarg | that's the next thing i was going to ask | 01:13 |
+perlDreamer | but every browser I've tried comes up with it disabled by default | 01:13 |
+perlDreamer | this.getDoc().body is null or not an object | 01:15 |
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@Haarg | correct | 01:17 |
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+perlDreamer | according to this, IE 5.5 and 6 don't have a contentDocument method: http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20030929/149359.html | 01:20 |
+perlDreamer | but at that point, it's all about TinyMCE | 01:21 |
@Haarg | tinymce has code to deal with that | 01:21 |
@Haarg | like i say, it's most likely a timing issue | 01:21 |
@Haarg | the ask option isn't a tinymce option, it's something we have added | 01:22 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 01:22 |
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+perlDreamer | daviddelikat: I got 3 emails when the gallery date bug was closed | 02:08 |
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daviddelikat | perlDreamer: is that a bug? | 02:53 |
@preaction | daviddelikat: i fixed a couple issues with pagination, you might want to review and make sure i did it right | 02:59 |
@preaction | i'm trying to fix the reply to a ticket via e-mail right now | 02:59 |
+perlDreamer | daviddelikat: if you didn't hit the save button 3 times, it may be a bug | 03:13 |
+perlDreamer | I'm now subscribed to the board, so I may get 3 emails. | 03:13 |
+perlDreamer | One from the board, one from the bug, and ??? | 03:14 |
+perlDreamer | even so, the new board is awesome | 03:14 |
+perlDreamer | you've done a great job! | 03:14 |
daviddelikat | thanks | 03:51 |
daviddelikat | I think that the mail script eliminates duplicates | 03:51 |
daviddelikat | but it might not... | 03:52 |
daviddelikat | preaction: is the reply to email thing part of the helpdesk or is it part of the mail system? | 03:52 |
daviddelikat | I'll be away for the rest of the night ( got a HOT date ) but I'll read any comments in the morning | 03:53 |
@preaction | it was part of the helpdesk, but it's fixed | 03:57 |
@preaction | any text field in the mysql database should probably be longtext | 04:47 |
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wgGuest11 | hello | 04:58 |
@preaction | hello | 04:59 |
+perlDreamer | what's up wgGuest11? | 04:59 |
wgGuest11 | hi sirs | 04:59 |
+perlDreamer | Do you have a WebGUI question? | 05:00 |
wgGuest11 | I spoke to perldreamer a few days ago | 05:00 |
+perlDreamer | what did we speak about? | 05:00 |
wgGuest11 | Im so so lost on contact forms | 05:00 |
wgGuest11 | im set to local host wont relay | 05:01 |
+perlDreamer | that's not because of WebGUI | 05:01 |
wgGuest11 | is there settings in send mail that I have to set | 05:01 |
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wgGuest11 | i tried many dif relay | 05:02 |
@preaction | check your /var/log/maillog, if there are any errors, then probably | 05:02 |
@preaction | i hate sendmail on principle, postfix is much nicer to use and configure | 05:02 |
wgGuest11 | u read my mind preaction was next q | 05:02 |
wgGuest11 | Ill try that tomorrow | 05:03 |
wgGuest11 | my next question is I have a few domains and need to set up so they all open seperate | 05:04 |
wgGuest11 | wiki dosnt realy explain it | 05:04 |
@preaction | "open seperate"? | 05:04 |
wgGuest11 | www.911x.org, www.gerrysweb.net | 05:05 |
wgGuest11 | they all go to 911x.org | 05:05 |
@preaction | okay, why? is that what you want? | 05:05 |
wgGuest11 | i cant even set up other | 05:05 |
@preaction | i don't understand. you want two different sites on the same server, right? | 05:06 |
@preaction | and you have your own webgui server, correct? | 05:06 |
wgGuest11 | yes I would like to use 1 static IP address and have them all be seperate | 05:06 |
wgGuest11 | yes im runing the wre on centos 5.3 | 05:07 |
+perlDreamer | wgGuest11, have you thought about using a hoster, instead of trying to do this yourself? | 05:07 |
@preaction | okay, that's called "name-based virtual hosts", if you open the wreconsole.pl and add another site, it should work just fine | 05:07 |
wgGuest11 | i have 50 plus domains will this be a problem | 05:08 |
@preaction | depends on the speed of your system | 05:08 |
@preaction | we've got more than that on some of our systems | 05:08 |
wgGuest11 | can i set up usage limits | 05:09 |
wgGuest11 | per site | 05:09 |
@preaction | what kind of usage limits? disk space? bandwidth? memory? CPU? | 05:09 |
wgGuest11 | yes all | 05:09 |
+perlDreamer | "hoster" | 05:10 |
@preaction | mod_bw can do it for bandwidth. disk space is a little trickier, but your OS can handle that. memory and CPU, per site, no, it's not worth it | 05:10 |
@preaction | if you want real seperation, use virtual machines | 05:10 |
wgGuest11 | the admin book should arrive begin of week . | 05:11 |
@preaction | "it's not worth it" because the techniques to do the limiting cost a lot of CPU/memory | 05:11 |
wgGuest11 | Is it geared toward hosting | 05:11 |
@preaction | we use a monitor (the wremonitor included) that checks if a process has gone runaway and kills it | 05:12 |
@preaction | the admin guide is geared towards administrating webgui sites and the WRE | 05:12 |
wgGuest11 | explains multi site set up ? | 05:13 |
@preaction | what little there is to explain, yeah | 05:13 |
@preaction | you can just go onto your system and do: /data/wre/sbin/addsite.pl --sitename=<domain> --adminPassword=<your admin password>; # done | 05:13 |
wgGuest11 | in the wre control panel I added all the sites they just all open the first one | 05:14 |
@preaction | okay, that's a different problem then | 05:15 |
@preaction | did you restart modperl and modproxy? | 05:15 |
wgGuest11 | yes | 05:15 |
wgGuest11 | www.911x.org is first in list then www.gerrysweb.net and they both open 911x.org | 05:16 |
@preaction | okay, open /data/wre/etc/www.gerryswhatever.com.modproxy and look at what ServerName and ServerAlias say, are they what you expect? | 05:16 |
@preaction | then do the same with the www.gerrysweb.com.modperl | 05:17 |
@preaction | (in the same folder) | 05:17 |
wgGuest11 | Im at home and the server is in my office | 05:17 |
wgGuest11 | I will check this all out in am | 05:18 |
wgGuest11 | im guessing this is where the problem lies | 05:18 |
wgGuest11 | thanks everyone, perldream I paid hosting with plainblack for over a year and moved the sites to my citys departments server, know I want my own for fun not business | 05:31 |
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+perlDreamer | hoster | 06:16 |
SDuensin | Ok, so wow. You guys got Wave added in yet? :-) | 06:17 |
+perlDreamer | nope | 06:18 |
+perlDreamer | that's WebGUI 10 | 06:18 |
SDuensin | TEN!? Slackers! | 06:18 |
+perlDreamer | hey, we still gotta make 8 and 9 | 06:18 |
* SDuensin has an evil plan for 7 yet. | 06:19 | |
+perlDreamer | oh? Do tell! | 06:27 |
SDuensin | But that would spoil the evilness of it! | 06:28 |
+perlDreamer | As long as you don't fork WebGUI, that's fine. | 06:28 |
+perlDreamer | if you do fork, you lose your Captain Gooey secret octal decoder ring | 06:28 |
SDuensin | Good god no. Why would I want to be in charge of this thing? :-P | 06:29 |
SDuensin | See, I like Thingy. But Thingy makes me mad. It's *almost* enough to do what I need, but not quite... | 06:32 |
+perlDreamer | hack da thingy | 06:32 |
SDuensin | I've said before, I pretty much want "Visual Basic" for WebGUI. | 06:32 |
SDuensin | And some hacking I did last night may have finally found a way without doing an extremely insane amount of work to pull it off. | 06:33 |
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KlausH | Hi! | 22:30 |
KlausH | I have some problems during upgrade. Just upgrading some sites from 7.2.2 to 7.3.22. After restarting wre, wre reports starting WebGUI 7.3.22 but the sites are still running the old version. Any hints? | 22:33 |
KlausH | I have upgraded with WebGUI's upgrade.pl and not with the wre webguiupgrade | 22:34 |
KlausH | no errors occured | 22:35 |
KlausH | testEnvironment.pl reports no errors | 22:35 |
@preaction | did you clear the cache? | 22:36 |
@preaction | what is saying they're running the old version? | 22:36 |
KlausH | cleared the cache within the adminconsole | 22:37 |
KlausH | in the html source in the HEAD the old versin is reported and in adminconsole statistics | 22:37 |
@preaction | browser cache? | 22:38 |
KlausH | cleared. | 22:38 |
@preaction | what does lib/WebGUI.pm say the version is? | 22:38 |
KlausH | WebGUI.pm ist the new Version 7.3.22 | 22:39 |
KlausH | I'm running wre 0.7.2 | 22:41 |
@preaction | the only thing i can think of is that the upgrade didn't go well | 22:46 |
@preaction | check the webguiVersion table in your sites | 22:46 |
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KlausH | webguiVersion contains 7.2.2 with versionType initial install and all following versions up to 7.3.22 as versionType upgrade | 23:10 |
KlausH | meanwhile I have manually deleted the cache files in /tmp/WebgUICache but with no success | 23:11 |
KlausH | when should I best upgrade the wre? first upgrading webgui or first upgrading the wre? | 23:30 |
KlausH | now running wre 0.7.2 and WebGUI 7.2.2 | 23:31 |
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+perlDreamer | daviddelikat: ping.... | 01:44 |
daviddelikat | pong | 01:44 |
+perlDreamer | either someone closed a whole raft of bugs, or pagination on the helpdesk is off | 01:45 |
+perlDreamer | there should be an IE6 rendering bug for the Survey | 01:45 |
+perlDreamer | the infamous PBworkflow000000006 bug | 01:45 |
+perlDreamer | the immortal RTE rendering bug on Safari | 01:46 |
daviddelikat | i see | 01:46 |
daviddelikat | I will dig into that later on tonight, I'm just getting ready to break for dinner. | 01:47 |
daviddelikat | did you see that I am working on the 'assign to me' ref? | 01:47 |
daviddelikat | s'ref'rfe' | 01:47 |
+perlDreamer | I saw there was activity on it, but I didn't know that you'd started work on it | 01:48 |
daviddelikat | I'm trying to figure out where to put the button/link for it | 01:49 |
+perlDreamer | right below the other one? | 01:49 |
daviddelikat | you mean the edit button? | 01:49 |
daviddelikat | any idea what it should say? | 01:49 |
daviddelikat | perhaps 'a2me' | 01:50 |
+perlDreamer | How about a button that says MINE | 01:50 |
daviddelikat | maybe we could put a pic of a seagul on it | 01:50 |
+perlDreamer | and when you press it, it plays the "Mine, mine, mine" Yoda quote from Empire Strikes Back | 01:51 |
daviddelikat | I was thinking finding nemo | 01:51 |
daviddelikat | much more anoying | 01:51 |
+perlDreamer | I like that, too. | 01:51 |
daviddelikat | I'm pushing a bunch more chnges up tonight | 01:52 |
daviddelikat | so helpdesk will be new again on Monday | 01:52 |
+perlDreamer | awesome! | 01:52 |
daviddelikat | see ya later.. | 01:52 |
+perlDreamer | later! | 01:52 |
+perlDreamer | Nice translation work, KlausH | 02:13 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Patrick Donelan master * r280e902 / (8 files in 4 dirs): | 08:21 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Fixes to Survey reporting and performance improvements | 08:21 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Fix: Survey export simple/transposed results to csv or tab | 08:21 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Fix: loadTempReportTable handling of revisionDates (and documentation) | 08:21 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Fix: returnResponseForReporting handling of mc questions | 08:21 |
CIA-53 | webgui: NYTProf performance improvements | 08:22 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Added some very basic Survey reporting tests - http://bit.ly/ulDCp | 08:22 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Patrick Donelan master * rf3c3bfb / (4 files in 4 dirs): Fixed GUID string comparisons (eq instead of ==) - http://bit.ly/RRktp | 10:51 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Patrick Donelan master * rb89cb98 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.18-7.7.19.pl : Fixed: inboxSmsNotificationTemplateId setting missing from upgrade script - http://bit.ly/1wJF8P | 12:01 |
SynQ | hmm | 13:20 |
SynQ | hi there | 13:21 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1ed91d7 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix Matrix i18n in compare matrix template. Fixes #10814 - http://bit.ly/4asoNr | 22:11 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4f23d88 / lib/WebGUI/Macro/UsersOnline.pm : Use the new User API for determining if session user is visitor. - http://bit.ly/gsBbN | 22:11 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r223a512 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Use setting API to determine if the setting exists in the db. - http://bit.ly/4zfpUN | 22:11 |
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+BartJol | hi there, bug slashing nerds | 22:33 |
+perlDreamer | howdy, BartJol, Executive Bier Drinker of Procolix | 22:34 |
+BartJol | if only | 22:34 |
+perlDreamer | Vice-President of Bier Consumption? | 22:34 |
+BartJol | mainly having aches of making a concrete like floor | 22:34 |
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+BartJol | well, not at procolix | 22:35 |
+BartJol | hey Kathy | 22:35 |
dreamersgirl | Hi! | 22:35 |
+BartJol | hows live? | 22:35 |
+BartJol | looking forward to the WUC? | 22:35 |
dreamersgirl | life is good. stressful, though. I have finals starting tomorrow. | 22:36 |
+perlDreamer | she'll be there Thursday night | 22:36 |
+BartJol | ooh | 22:36 |
dreamersgirl | Totally looking forward to the WUC | 22:36 |
dreamersgirl | and seeing all you guys! | 22:36 |
dreamersgirl | and hanging out with perlDreamer, too! | 22:36 |
+perlDreamer | aw :) | 22:36 |
+BartJol | well, we're the social glue of the wuc and we stick to your fingers | 22:36 |
dreamersgirl | like honey | 22:37 |
+BartJol | not sure what that is supposed to mean | 22:37 |
dreamersgirl | honey is sticky. just ask Pooh Bear | 22:37 |
+BartJol | :) | 22:37 |
+BartJol | but you don't get time enough to hang out with your hussie? | 22:38 |
dreamersgirl | are you just coming over for the WUC or will you be traveling around a bit? | 22:38 |
+BartJol | only wuc | 22:38 |
+BartJol | I have a house to remodel | 22:38 |
+BartJol | and the weekend after the wuc | 22:38 |
+perlDreamer | BartJol, in English, "hussie" is a woman of bad morals | 22:38 |
+BartJol | well, I meant husband | 22:38 |
+perlDreamer | so, not only do I hope that dreamersgirls doesn't have one, but that they don't hang out together :) | 22:39 |
+BartJol | nice mistyping though | 22:39 |
+perlDreamer | it was excellent | 22:39 |
dreamersgirl | :) | 22:39 |
+BartJol | and innocent, as I always am | 22:39 |
dreamersgirl | of course. we've thought nothing else of you. | 22:39 |
+perlDreamer | especially while you're using sledge hammers | 22:40 |
dreamersgirl | besides, the correct spelling is with a "y" not an "ie" | 22:40 |
dreamersgirl | I <3 dictionary.com | 22:40 |
+BartJol | mm Colin is making me fix bugs | 22:40 |
dreamersgirl | good man | 22:40 |
+perlDreamer | VIES | 22:41 |
+BartJol | which means dirty in dutch | 22:41 |
+perlDreamer | it means water in Hungarian | 22:41 |
+BartJol | it has lots om meaning it seems | 22:42 |
+perlDreamer | indeed. Did you get the water and heating installed this weekend? | 22:42 |
+BartJol | no, only made the floor, a company comes this week for heating, gas and water | 22:43 |
+BartJol | 4600 euros total, which is a bargain | 22:43 |
+BartJol | an advisor estimated 7500 for that | 22:43 |
dreamersgirl | are you trying to live there yet? | 22:44 |
+BartJol | no, at the end of septmber I will move | 22:44 |
+BartJol | And I want to have my toilet and shower working by then | 22:44 |
+BartJol | no kitchen though | 22:44 |
dreamersgirl | i'm sure your friends and neighbors will appreciate you waiting till those are working... | 22:45 |
+BartJol | probably | 22:45 |
+BartJol | me too | 22:45 |
+BartJol | mmm upgrading while hacking is a pain | 22:46 |
dreamersgirl | but no kitchen? makes it hard to cook. | 22:46 |
+BartJol | it will be like indoor camping | 22:46 |
dreamersgirl | and you're a good cook, if I remember right | 22:46 |
+perlDreamer | he makes awesome pumpkin soup | 22:47 |
+BartJol | I can stand my little man | 22:47 |
+BartJol | (dutch proverb) | 22:47 |
dreamersgirl | what does that mean? | 22:48 |
+BartJol | I can handle it (with a touch of understatement) | 22:48 |
dreamersgirl | gotcha | 22:49 |
+BartJol | oh yeah, I have to remember to cook for JT and Sarah (and maybe more). If JT can stand you, you're also invited | 22:54 |
+perlDreamer | what's on the menu this year? | 22:54 |
+BartJol | dunno yet, what do you want to eat in 2 weeks, some Dutch stew? | 22:55 |
+BartJol | only takes 3 hours of waiting | 22:55 |
+perlDreamer | that's a lot of waiting | 22:56 |
+perlDreamer | but there's lots of code to write, too :) | 22:56 |
dreamersgirl | oh yeah, LOTS of code | 22:56 |
dreamersgirl | so what types of food are traditional dutch? | 22:57 |
+BartJol | well, that stew I mentioned | 22:57 |
+BartJol | it's beef and onions and laurel, you serve it with with mashed potatoes (maybe with beets) | 22:57 |
+BartJol | those purple balls | 22:58 |
dreamersgirl | i know beets | 22:58 |
dreamersgirl | i have several growing in my garden right now | 22:58 |
+perlDreamer | do you mash the beets? | 22:58 |
+BartJol | yes | 22:59 |
+BartJol | I wasn't sure on the spelling | 22:59 |
+BartJol | mmm, let me think | 22:59 |
+BartJol | stuff with cheese | 23:00 |
+perlDreamer | do you need an assistant chef? | 23:00 |
dreamersgirl | I volunteer! | 23:01 |
+BartJol | ooh, cheese fondue is a favourite | 23:01 |
dreamersgirl | You don't want me coding anyway. | 23:01 |
+BartJol | of me | 23:01 |
+perlDreamer | it's popular in the dreamer family, too | 23:01 |
dreamersgirl | Ooooooh. Cheese fondue. Mmmmmmmm. | 23:01 |
+BartJol | well, that would be interesting | 23:01 |
+BartJol | coding or cooking | 23:01 |
dreamersgirl | cooking for sure! | 23:01 |
+BartJol | or stuff that begins with co | 23:01 |
dreamersgirl | :) | 23:01 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5c2e596 / t/Search/Index.t : Update number of tests. - http://bit.ly/u4LoM | 23:01 |
+BartJol | there he goes again | 23:02 |
+perlDreamer | does he ever stop? | 23:02 |
+BartJol | only when there are no more bugs or tests to write I suspect | 23:02 |
+BartJol | so imaginary, that can happen | 23:03 |
+perlDreamer | He'd be out of a job! | 23:03 |
+BartJol | that's not good | 23:03 |
+perlDreamer | no, hungry children and pets, out on the street | 23:03 |
+BartJol | but an extra cook will be nice | 23:03 |
+BartJol | well, I will code more, then more bugs will be created | 23:04 |
+perlDreamer | my family appreciates your support | 23:04 |
+BartJol | I'll make a start on WebGUI 9 | 23:04 |
dreamersgirl | and i'm back to learning about pneumonia | 23:04 |
dreamersgirl | nice chatting with you BartJol | 23:05 |
dreamersgirl | See you soon! | 23:05 |
+BartJol | ah, ok | 23:05 |
+BartJol | succes with your finals | 23:05 |
dreamersgirl | thank you! | 23:05 |
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SDuensin | Arrgh. I love arguing with developers over stupidity. | 23:06 |
+BartJol | mmm, almost tried to get the scratch variable lasagna :) | 23:06 |
SDuensin | (Nobody here though. We're all brilliant.) | 23:06 |
+BartJol | arguing over what stupidity is is possible though | 23:07 |
SDuensin | preaction will appreciate it. I've re-opened his Colloquy "/notice" gripe. :-) | 23:07 |
+perlDreamer | BartJol, got dinner on the mind? | 23:07 |
+BartJol | a bit | 23:08 |
+BartJol | but lasagna isn't Dutch | 23:08 |
+BartJol | but I did spend 2 hours last friday, discovering that that strange behaviour was a ff bug :( | 23:09 |
+BartJol | and not my buggie code | 23:09 |
+perlDreamer | that's good. | 23:09 |
+perlDreamer | How does FF affect the VIES workflow? | 23:09 |
+BartJol | Oh, I updated some of my bazaar stuff with comments | 23:09 |
+BartJol | no, my setlanguage stuff | 23:10 |
+BartJol | firefox did not like operations that much it seemed | 23:10 |
+BartJol | went comlaining over css files it wanted to look for on the web | 23:10 |
* SDuensin just filed the most difficult bug EVER! #10816 | 23:11 | |
+BartJol | ah, piece of cake | 23:11 |
+BartJol | not sure what kind | 23:11 |
+BartJol | ah, well, the hard part is to find the i18n entry | 23:12 |
+perlDreamer | that bug is so difficult, it will never be fixed in 7.6 | 23:12 |
+perlDreamer | too many man hours | 23:12 |
SDuensin | :-) | 23:12 |
+BartJol | and writing tests | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | time to take the kids to a birthday party | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | bbl, all | 23:13 |
+BartJol | have fun | 23:13 |
+BartJol | but SDuensin what was the general scope of that discussion, I'm curious | 23:14 |
+BartJol | here we have a strong hierarchy: what JT says is smart | 23:15 |
SDuensin | Which? Colloquy? That it does dumb things with /notice and the dev won't fix it. | 23:15 |
+BartJol | ah, and they disagree that it does dumb things? | 23:15 |
SDuensin | Yep. I mean, there's already a toggle in the UI to determine what you want it to do. Just make a third option that makes sense. :-) | 23:17 |
+BartJol | unsensible options are ACME features | 23:17 |
SDuensin | I mean, right now, the default is to send them to Growl. Any idea what that looks like when you join a dozen rooms on half a dozen networks? | 23:18 |
SDuensin | The "better" option creates a new tab for every one! It's madness! | 23:19 |
* SDuensin remembers preaction warning him, but noooo, he didn't listen. | 23:19 | |
+BartJol | :) | 23:24 |
+BartJol | some times you have to take advantage of the knowledge of others | 23:24 |
SDuensin | I want to use Colloquy so I can turn on the bouncer for the iPhone. | 23:25 |
+BartJol | aah, cool, but | 23:34 |
* BartJol has company | 23:34 | |
* SDuensin has coffee | 23:35 | |
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SDuensin | ok, so in YUI, can there be multiple onDOMReady calls? Or is it like the dreaded window.load where you have to chain them? | 00:07 |
@preaction | the yui event utility handles chaining for you | 00:10 |
SDuensin | That was my guess. Thanks. | 00:11 |
@preaction | so you should be doing; YAHOO.util.Event.addListener( window, "load", function () {} ); | 00:11 |
SDuensin | Ok, my chaining code worked. That did not. :-/ | 00:12 |
SDuensin | Helps if it's not a syntax error. :-D | 00:14 |
SDuensin | ok, I'm loading /extras/yui/build/yahoo-dom-event/yahoo-dom-event.js - seems I need something else to make it work? | 00:34 |
@preaction | to make what work? | 00:35 |
SDuensin | YAHOO.util.Event.addListener | 00:35 |
@preaction | what is the error you're getting? | 00:35 |
SDuensin | It only fires when admin mode is on. | 00:36 |
@preaction | probably an issue with your markup | 00:36 |
@preaction | or caching | 00:36 |
* SDuensin breaks out FireBug. | 00:36 | |
* SDuensin breaks Safari. :-) | 00:37 | |
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SDuensin | Markup is clean, cache is wiped, still only works in admin. :-/ | 00:44 |
+BartJol | perlDreamer: it seems that tuesday will be cookout night | 00:53 |
+BartJol | according to Sarah | 00:53 |
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+perlDreamer | daviddelikat, you're doing a mighty work on that helpdesk | 02:39 |
daviddelikat | thanks | 02:42 |
daviddelikat | gonna try for one more tonight | 02:42 |
daviddelikat | I'll be offline for a bit while I upgrade pidgin | 02:43 |
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daviddelikat | is it just me or are WebGUI page titles a bit long and slightly redundant? | 02:50 |
+perlDreamer | they're "engineered" for SEO | 02:50 |
+perlDreamer | and are of low barometric pressure | 02:50 |
daviddelikat | whats SEO? | 02:50 |
+perlDreamer | Search Engine Optimization | 02:51 |
daviddelikat | so do you think it is reasonable to require users to enter a synopses on a ticket? | 02:55 |
+perlDreamer | no | 02:55 |
+perlDreamer | well, yes and no | 02:55 |
+perlDreamer | If it's really needed, we can pull it from the description field if they leave it blank | 02:55 |
+perlDreamer | but if we make it harder to file tickets by requiring more information, then we'll have fewer filed bugs | 02:56 |
daviddelikat | I was thinking that a title would be required | 02:56 |
daviddelikat | but I suppose it they put one or the other thats good enough | 02:56 |
daviddelikat | yesterday I made a blank ticket | 02:57 |
daviddelikat | no title, not synopses, nothin' | 02:57 |
daviddelikat | that seems like a bad thing to me | 02:57 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 02:57 |
+perlDreamer | title and description, what the bug is in (WebGUI, WRE, etc.), | 02:58 |
+perlDreamer | version is always nice | 02:58 |
+perlDreamer | severity is optional | 02:58 |
daviddelikat | severity defaults to the worst, 'what its in' defaults to WG Stable | 02:59 |
daviddelikat | so should I require both title and description? or just one of them minimum? | 03:00 |
+perlDreamer | Description should be required | 03:00 |
+perlDreamer | I guess we could extract a title from the description | 03:00 |
+perlDreamer | if it was left out | 03:00 |
+perlDreamer | but I don't think it's too much to ask | 03:01 |
+perlDreamer | as long as they're marked so that people know that they are required | 03:01 |
daviddelikat | I agree, but then these are users we are talking about | 03:01 |
+perlDreamer | It feels quite ironic when I become "the user". | 03:01 |
daviddelikat | indeed | 03:01 |
daviddelikat | i try to be a good user | 03:01 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r327efb2 / (lib/WebGUI/AssetTrash.pm lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset.pm): Fix broken i18n for the progress bar in deleting assets. - http://bit.ly/Trd2D | 03:01 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6f83046 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/ThingyRecord.pm : Fix broken i18n in the ThingyRecord. - http://bit.ly/3ZT1CV | 03:01 |
daviddelikat | but some people are hard to please | 03:02 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin: ping | 03:09 |
SDuensin | pong | 03:10 |
+perlDreamer | which version of WebGUI are you using with your [Cc]opy problem? | 03:11 |
+perlDreamer | because I'm looking at 7.7, and 7.6.35 and they have Capital Copy | 03:11 |
* SDuensin wrote it down! :-P | 03:12 | |
SDuensin | 7.6.35 | 03:12 |
SDuensin | It's on the search page, not the manage page. | 03:12 |
+perlDreamer | ah, search! | 03:12 |
SDuensin | Yup | 03:12 |
SDuensin | Told you it was a tricky bug. :-P | 03:13 |
+perlDreamer | Dude, you are like one of the best bug reporters ever | 03:14 |
+perlDreamer | You answer questions | 03:14 |
+perlDreamer | I almost closed that bug wholesale | 03:14 |
SDuensin | I try to put everything I can into the report. I know what it's like to get "It don't work" as an issue. :-) | 03:15 |
+perlDreamer | daviddelikat, is helpdesk pagination still an issue? | 03:17 |
+perlDreamer | on my FF it is | 03:17 |
daviddelikat | it is supposed to be fixed, what is it (not) doing? | 03:18 |
@preaction | i'll update the code on frozen, then we can try | 03:18 |
SDuensin | Update frozen code? Whhhaaaa? :-P | 03:19 |
SDuensin | [19:14] <perlDreamer> Dude, you are like one of the best bug reporters ever <-- My bill is in the mail. :-) | 03:19 |
daviddelikat | just nuke it for 30 sec | 03:19 |
daviddelikat | then put it back in the freezer | 03:20 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: try now? force refresh too | 03:20 |
+perlDreamer | Data error | 03:20 |
@preaction | okay, that's what i was seeing | 03:20 |
@preaction | there's a problem with the URL being generated by the helpdesk | 03:21 |
daviddelikat | I fixed that last night | 03:21 |
daviddelikat | I'm not sure what happened | 03:21 |
daviddelikat | but the delimiter at the end of the base query was gone | 03:21 |
+perlDreamer | did you push the commit up to github? | 03:22 |
daviddelikat | I'm not sure I put it into git tho, I'll check | 03:22 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0d0e574 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm): Fix a capitalization issue. Fixes bug 10816. - http://bit.ly/k2hcp | 03:22 |
* SDuensin cheers! | 03:23 | |
SDuensin | That dumb "c" has bugged me for a long time. I finally wasn't so deep into a project that I had time to report it. :-) | 03:23 |
daviddelikat | no I did not push it to git, do you want me to do it now? or wait till later toinight? | 03:24 |
@preaction | if you do it now i can pull it right away | 03:24 |
daviddelikat | done | 03:25 |
daviddelikat | I'm git'n ta like this 'git' thang | 03:25 |
+perlDreamer | me, too | 03:25 |
+perlDreamer | although I don't get branching | 03:25 |
daviddelikat | I think every repo is a branch | 03:26 |
+perlDreamer | yes, but switching between, and merging between branches escapes me | 03:26 |
daviddelikat | how much of a branch depends on how often you push/pull | 03:26 |
+perlDreamer | I think I gave patspam a very large headache recently with some bad git merging | 03:26 |
daviddelikat | I won't be coaching/teaching this for quite a while myself... | 03:27 |
@preaction | there, fixed now | 03:27 |
daviddelikat | should be some other old tickets fixed too... | 03:28 |
+perlDreamer | no. not fixed | 03:28 |
+perlDreamer | page 1 == page 2 | 03:28 |
daviddelikat | thats pretty cool | 03:28 |
+perlDreamer | Second verse, same as the first! | 03:29 |
daviddelikat | i'll get right on that... | 03:29 |
daviddelikat | I was hoping it was a problem with my dev site | 03:29 |
+perlDreamer | I was going to go and update old bugs that are waiting on external dependencies | 03:29 |
daviddelikat | if you remember bits of them try searching | 03:30 |
+perlDreamer | searching doesn't work either | 03:30 |
daviddelikat | what part? | 03:30 |
+perlDreamer | wait a sec | 03:30 |
+perlDreamer | it is | 03:30 |
daviddelikat | wheew | 03:30 |
+perlDreamer | but there's no feedback while it searches, so it faked me out | 03:30 |
daviddelikat | you mean like the 'loading' box? | 03:31 |
daviddelikat | I can add that | 03:31 |
daviddelikat | where is the setting for cacch configuration? | 03:43 |
+perlDreamer | in the config file | 03:43 |
+perlDreamer | cacheType | 03:43 |
daviddelikat | is that where I can turn it off? | 03:44 |
daviddelikat | OK, I have it working, preaction do you want to put it in right away or wait? | 03:46 |
@preaction | right away is fine | 03:46 |
daviddelikat | its all yours | 03:47 |
@preaction | done, test and make sure for me? | 03:48 |
+perlDreamer | excelsior! | 03:49 |
daviddelikat | looks good to me, perlDreamer? | 03:49 |
+perlDreamer | Do we need another bug status? "Waiting for next major release" | 03:50 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: how's the new CodeEditor coming? | 03:51 |
daviddelikat | RFE pagination is busted... | 03:51 |
+perlDreamer | but it works on the bug board? | 03:51 |
daviddelikat | yup | 03:51 |
daviddelikat | goofy huh? | 03:52 |
daviddelikat | I think it might be the template | 03:52 |
+perlDreamer | seems to work for me | 03:52 |
daviddelikat | perhaps its my cache | 03:53 |
daviddelikat | yup, cleared the cache and its fine | 03:53 |
daviddelikat | gotta LUV that cache | 03:53 |
* perlDreamer likes fewer bugs | 03:53 | |
+perlDreamer | gotta help with dinner | 03:54 |
+perlDreamer | bbl | 03:54 |
daviddelikat | mmmm dinner | 03:55 |
daviddelikat | helpdesk links do cool things when clicked with modifiers now... | 03:56 |
daviddelikat | oh and notice how when you close a tab, it goes back to where you were before... | 04:00 |
daviddelikat | rather than just going to the search tab... | 04:01 |
@preaction | should I use Python to talk to Flash, using the available libraries, or should I write my own libraries in Perl | 04:36 |
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+perlDreamer | python? | 05:03 |
+perlDreamer | Flash? | 05:03 |
@preaction | yes, the new AS3 features are incredibly flexible | 05:03 |
@preaction | so i'm gonna make some games | 05:04 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, I could use a $dayJob double check on these: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/10818 | 05:05 |
+perlDreamer | to me they all scream RFE | 05:05 |
@preaction | they're RFEs | 05:06 |
@preaction | two different ones. he should know better... | 05:06 |
+perlDreamer | thanks, I thought for a second I was being too harsh | 05:07 |
daviddelikat | there is a perl module that does flash... | 05:18 |
daviddelikat | cant remember what its called... | 05:19 |
daviddelikat | ming | 05:19 |
daviddelikat | http://todbot.com/ming/ | 05:19 |
@preaction | yeah, it seems abandoned | 05:37 |
daviddelikat | i see that... its a cool idea tho | 05:38 |
@preaction | it is, but what i need more is to talk to a Flash client | 05:38 |
@preaction | PyAMF does that for me | 05:38 |
@preaction | AMF is like JSON for flash | 05:38 |
daviddelikat | did you try AMF::Perl? | 05:39 |
daviddelikat | its alo kind of old... | 05:39 |
@preaction | yeah, that's the problem. it's old :( | 05:39 |
+perlDreamer | what's wrong with old? :( | 05:41 |
daviddelikat | its OK for people, not code | 05:41 |
@preaction | old usually means i'll have to fix it | 05:41 |
@preaction | bitrot | 05:41 |
daviddelikat | i guess the question to answer is what is the difficulty in getting the python to work with perl | 05:43 |
daviddelikat | and is it as hard or harder than makign one of the other things do it... | 05:44 |
daviddelikat | that is one of the perl solutions | 05:44 |
@preaction | that's just it, i don't need Perl at all. I have a flash client, and i need a backend for a database layer | 05:44 |
@preaction | I can use Perl/POE or Python/Twisted | 05:44 |
daviddelikat | so its not a WebGUI thing then? | 05:44 |
@preaction | Python has the flash communication layer, Perl seems like I'll need to create it myself | 05:45 |
@preaction | no ;) | 05:45 |
daviddelikat | mums the word... | 05:45 |
@preaction | this is just the best place i can find professional programmers | 05:45 |
daviddelikat | pro0fess-ion-all who? | 05:46 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6634f3e / t/Storage.t : Fix broken tests that were creating odd directories. - http://bit.ly/DaX8s | 06:41 |
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daviddelikat | yet another HelpDesk feature goes to github tonight... | 07:17 |
+perlDreamer | is it all code, or are there template changes in there? | 07:19 |
daviddelikat | template had to change | 07:19 |
+perlDreamer | in that case, I'll leave to the professionals | 07:21 |
daviddelikat | codes-away, & I'm to bed | 07:29 |
daviddelikat | night all | 07:30 |
+perlDreamer | 'night :) | 07:30 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6e0fcee / (t/Asset/Redirect/mech.t t/Auth/mech.t): Add WEBGUI_LIVE env variable to more tests that use Test::WWW::Mechanize. - http://bit.ly/1aGpqJ | 07:51 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Patrick Donelan master * r491e06b / www/extras/wobject/Survey/administersurvey.js : | 11:41 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Fixed Suvery Number js validation | 11:41 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Attaching the number validation code to onkeydown was very problematic. | 11:41 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Changing to onblur is much cleaner, and probably nicer for the user. | 11:41 |
CIA-53 | webgui: This commit also fixes the problem that Number questions without a 'step' | 11:41 |
CIA-53 | webgui: set would not be checked for 'required'-ness. - http://bit.ly/SU6t7 | 11:41 |
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+bartjol | ok, I am looking at bug: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/10679 | 17:29 |
+bartjol | would people rather have a incident triggered workflow for a single user or a workflow in cron style for all invalidatd VAT numbers | 17:30 |
+bartjol | any ideas | 17:30 |
+bartjol | ? | 17:30 |
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+bartjol | hey | 17:32 |
+perlDreamer | morning, folks! | 17:32 |
+bartjol | morning | 17:32 |
+bartjol | working on that bug again | 17:32 |
+perlDreamer | how's it going? | 17:32 |
+bartjol | still doubting what the best way is | 17:32 |
+bartjol | and Sarah would like me to cook on tuesday, not sure whether you're in Madison yet | 17:33 |
+perlDreamer | I'm in Madcity that day | 17:33 |
+bartjol | well, we also had a plan to go to the new glarus brewery that day | 17:33 |
+bartjol | but cooking afterwards should be possible | 17:33 |
+bartjol | but Kathy won't I suspect | 17:33 |
+bartjol | but bugs | 17:34 |
+perlDreamer | no, 'tis too early | 17:34 |
+perlDreamer | I'll take good notes for her | 17:34 |
+bartjol | prolly that will be JT's last less stressing moment | 17:34 |
+perlDreamer | he has a big meeting that day, so I'm guessing not | 17:35 |
+perlDreamer | so a tummy-full of good Dutch food will be good for him | 17:35 |
+perlDreamer | (and all of us) | 17:35 |
+bartjol | well, some soothing dinner afterwards should be good though | 17:35 |
+bartjol | but Rory confused me again and started about a cron type wf that checks for unvalidated vat numbers | 17:36 |
+perlDreamer | that is one way to do it, too | 17:36 |
+perlDreamer | it makes fewer workflows | 17:37 |
+bartjol | yes... | 17:37 |
+perlDreamer | but it has to run periodically | 17:37 |
+perlDreamer | when run as a cron job | 17:37 |
+bartjol | ok, but if people can type, the other workflow should not run that often | 17:38 |
+bartjol | only if | 17:38 |
+bartjol | if only | 17:38 |
+perlDreamer | Or if VIES does not go down very often | 17:38 |
+perlDreamer | either case could be a problem | 17:38 |
+bartjol | well, it happened today | 17:38 |
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+bartjol | let's tavisto decide | 17:40 |
+perlDreamer | sure | 17:40 |
+perlDreamer | we'll flip him | 17:40 |
+bartjol | tavisto: option 1 or 2? | 17:40 |
+perlDreamer | if he lands on his head, go with the Workflow | 17:40 |
+perlDreamer | if he lands on his bum (tails), then go Cron job | 17:40 |
+bartjol | no, I won't toss him | 17:40 |
+bartjol | so Tavis, what's it gonna be? | 17:41 |
* perlDreamer wishes he spoke better German, or at least some Dutch | 17:41 | |
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+bartjol | well, he's useless | 17:41 |
+perlDreamer | or, at least, absent | 17:42 |
+bartjol | marketing guys | 17:42 |
+perlDreamer | what does SynQ say about it? | 17:42 |
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+perlDreamer | or KlausH? | 17:42 |
+bartjol | synq says "i'm watching my baby and have to change diapers | 17:42 |
+bartjol | " | 17:42 |
+perlDreamer | let me ask you this. What do _you_ think is the best way? | 17:43 |
* bartjol thinks the triggered workflow one is better | 17:43 | |
+perlDreamer | then do it that way | 17:43 |
+perlDreamer | it's the guts of the workflow that really matter | 17:44 |
+perlDreamer | if necessary, we can always change the timing later | 17:44 |
+bartjol | but I want someone to blame when JT is gonna wipe my ass of | 17:44 |
+bartjol | ;) | 17:44 |
* perlDreamer is Der BlamenMeister | 17:44 | |
+bartjol | jee, is that a word | 17:45 |
+bartjol | cool | 17:45 |
+bartjol | I see Anklagmeister | 17:46 |
+perlDreamer | I made it up :P | 17:46 |
+bartjol | well, now I have to get my designed code working | 17:47 |
+bartjol | and make i18n for it | 17:47 |
+perlDreamer | it shouldn't need much i18n | 17:48 |
+bartjol | and make some notifications | 17:48 |
+perlDreamer | just an interval for retrying | 17:48 |
KlausH | perlDreamer wants to help on German translation so we cann pass the Duch ;-) | 17:48 |
+bartjol | which need messages | 17:48 |
+bartjol | ha | 17:48 |
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+bartjol | try me ;) | 17:49 |
SquOnk | Hi everyone | 17:49 |
+perlDreamer | KlausH, if I "helped" the German translation, you would not ever catch the Dutch | 17:49 |
+bartjol | howdy | 17:49 |
+perlDreamer | morning, SquOnk | 17:49 |
KlausH | hi | 17:49 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: I seem to have lost the tab labels in 7.6.35.1 :( | 17:49 |
+bartjol | gerlish, that would be cool | 17:49 |
+perlDreamer | I did find an i18n bug in i18n/English/Asset.pm, shall we make a new release for .2? | 17:50 |
SquOnk | And Tree Nav doesn't work quite right. I use it for the Site Map. It displays ok, but when you click in any of the links, they won't open. | 17:50 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Please do. | 17:54 |
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SquOnk | perlDreamer: I'm trying to figure out the Tree Nav bug, so if you can hold at bit, we can combine those. | 17:55 |
+perlDreamer | SquOnk: they could be related | 17:55 |
+perlDreamer | you can try pulling a new copy of the i18n/English/Asset.pm from SVN, because it is clean there | 17:55 |
+perlDreamer | to see if it fixes it | 17:56 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: I don't think so. I saw the Tree Nav bug in 7.6.30 or something. I was not using it at the time... | 17:56 |
SquOnk | Fresh 7.6.35.1 install. Edit the default Site Map navigation and change it into a Tree Nav... | 17:56 |
SquOnk | If you hover over any of the links, the proper link shows in the browser's status bar... | 17:57 |
SquOnk | ...but if you click on it you go nowhere. | 17:57 |
+perlDreamer | perhaps the title is set in the link, but not the href? | 17:58 |
+perlDreamer | if so, then there's a problem | 17:58 |
+perlDreamer | since we can't run an upgrade script to install the new package | 17:58 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: This menu is built using JavaScript. The href looks ok on the page source | 17:59 |
SquOnk | ... nodes['mTOiwwk3q4k9g5-XykXhPA'] = new YAHOO.widget.TextNode('<a href="/webgui/documentation">Documentation</a>' ... | 17:59 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: If you "Open link in new tab", the darn thing works. | 18:00 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: But if you just click on it, it doesn't | 18:01 |
+perlDreamer | perhaps it is a browser bug? | 18:01 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Happens in Firefox (Linux/Windows), Epiphany and Konqueror... | 18:02 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: ... don't have IE to try it out. | 18:02 |
SquOnk | But as I wrote before: standard 7.6.35 install | 18:02 |
+perlDreamer | hm.... | 18:03 |
* perlDreamer will try out 7.7's Tree Nav for comparison when he comes back from his run. | 18:03 | |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: The i18n/English/Asset.pm I'm using is the latest one according to SVN. | 18:09 |
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SquOnk | perlDreamer: And yes, it seems to fix the i18n bug. The missing labels are there again. | 18:17 |
+bartjol | SquOnk: I have IE available, need something tested? | 18:20 |
SquOnk | bartjol: Fresh 7.6.35 install. Go to the Site Map. Change the Nav to Treenav. | 18:21 |
+bartjol | ooh, fresh 7.6.35 install | 18:22 |
SquOnk | bartjol: Hover over links, they appear ok on the status bar. Click on them, no joy. | 18:22 |
+bartjol | upgraded to it also good? | 18:22 |
SquOnk | bartjol: Open in new window, joy. Open in new tab, joy. | 18:22 |
SquOnk | bartjol: I guess. I've seen this since 7.6.30 something | 18:22 |
+bartjol | ah, wait, we have a demo server | 18:25 |
SquOnk | The Treenav template looks good to me. Besides, looking at the page source reveals the hrefs are right. | 18:26 |
SquOnk | So, either browser bug or YUI bug. | 18:26 |
+bartjol | grrr, IE gives me a reason to hate it again | 18:28 |
SquOnk | How so? | 18:29 |
+bartjol | it sees the drop down menu as pop up, and keeps blocking, si I can't select | 18:29 |
SquOnk | lol | 18:30 |
+bartjol | and that is while turned off | 18:32 |
+bartjol | this is ridiculous | 18:33 |
+bartjol | how can people work with that *(#^(!)^$)*%#!%$)!@$ browser | 18:33 |
+bartjol | well, it seems killing explorer.exe isn't a good idea | 18:42 |
+bartjol | cool | 18:43 |
SquOnk | lol | 18:43 |
+bartjol | got it running again | 18:44 |
+bartjol | , but restarting IE did not work, the pop up blocker, on the contrary works perfectly fine, even with allow for this website and when it's turned off | 18:44 |
+bartjol | reboot? | 18:45 |
@Haarg | any particular version of ie you need to test? | 18:45 |
SquOnk | None at all. | 18:46 |
SquOnk | Haarg: Just to verify if the behaviour I'm seeing is not browser related. | 18:46 |
+bartjol | diner time | 18:47 |
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@Haarg | tree navigation template works for me in ie6 | 18:48 |
SquOnk | Haarg: Hm | 18:51 |
SquOnk | Haarg: If I click on the links, they don't work, but if I use "Open Link", "Open Link in new Tab" or "Open Link in new Window", it does work. | 18:52 |
@Haarg | what browser? | 18:52 |
SquOnk | Haarg: Firefox Linux/Windows, Epiphany and Konqueror. | 18:52 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction: re this bug http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/10817 , would it be evil to have the DataTable eval macros in its internal data, or is merely i18n'ing the initial defaults enough? | 19:16 |
@preaction | for now, i18n of the initial defaults is enough | 19:18 |
+perlDreamer | SquOnk: tree nav works for me n 7.6.35 | 19:20 |
+perlDreamer | testing the released 7.6.35.1 next | 19:20 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: The i18n bug was fixed with the SVN version of i18n/English/Asset.pm | 19:24 |
+perlDreamer | Good. I read that in the backlogs | 19:25 |
KlausH | hi, have an upgrade question. have now successful upgraded to webgui 7.4.21 with wre 0.7.2. wre gotcha says for versions 7.4.22 and newer I need at least wre082. I think its because JSON 2.xx. Can I skip wre 8.xx and continue with wre 0.9.3? | 19:33 |
+perlDreamer | SquOnk: 7.6.35.1 works, too | 19:34 |
+perlDreamer | (after the Asset fix, of course) | 19:35 |
+perlDreamer | KlausH: that note about the WRE is about JSON 2.xx | 19:36 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: The missing labels work after the fix, yes. | 19:36 |
+perlDreamer | make a good backup of where you are now, and then proceed carefully | 19:36 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: I can't get the Navtree to work though. Browser related, then? | 19:36 |
+perlDreamer | SquOnk, which FF are you using? | 19:36 |
+perlDreamer | nm, you tried 3 browsers | 19:36 |
+perlDreamer | the next step is to try a demo site | 19:36 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: 3.0.6 on Debian | 19:37 |
+perlDreamer | demo.webgui.org | 19:37 |
+perlDreamer | if you can duplicate it there, and it works for someone else on the same site, it is definitely not a WebGUI issue | 19:37 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: It works in the demo :/ | 19:40 |
+perlDreamer | then it could be a component of WebGUI that is different in Debian, from the core | 19:48 |
+perlDreamer | like YUI | 19:48 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Well, in Debian we have YUI 2.7 | 19:53 |
SquOnk | 2.7.0b to be exact | 19:53 |
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+perlDreamer | and WebGUI uses 2.6.0 | 19:53 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: That could be the problem. However, there's no way to go back to YUI 2.6 in Debian :/ | 19:54 |
+perlDreamer | so now it's either a bug in how WebGUI will use YUI 2.7 in the future, or a bug in YUI 2.7 | 19:54 |
SquOnk | Heh | 19:55 |
@Haarg | even excluding incompatibility in the actual yui code, some of the files we use are named different things between 2.6 and 2.7 | 19:55 |
+perlDreamer | that is true | 19:55 |
SquOnk | Let's see | 19:55 |
+perlDreamer | SquOnk, does Firebug tell you anything useful? | 19:55 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Haven't used Firebug yet... | 19:56 |
SquOnk | Wait a minute | 19:56 |
+perlmonkey2 | can someone with mercy remind me what the wre does when you setup a new site as a dev only env? | 20:00 |
@Haarg | automatically creates one site for you, and sets the number of processes to start lower | 20:01 |
+perlmonkey2 | Haarg: groovy, thansk | 20:01 |
+perlmonkey2 | thanks even | 20:01 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: 2.7's treenav is different than 2.6's | 20:07 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: But as far as I've read, the parts of the API webgui's using have not changed | 20:07 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Beats me :-( | 20:15 |
+perlDreamer | me, too | 20:15 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: http://yuilibrary.com/projects/yui2/ticket/2527720 | 20:16 |
SquOnk | Not our fault ;-) | 20:16 |
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wgGuest05 | Hi | 20:20 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: And it doesn't look like being fixed in the near future | 20:20 |
+perlDreamer | SquOnk, not until the 2.8.0 release | 20:21 |
+perlDreamer | although the patch can be pulled from their git repo | 20:21 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Oh well | 20:21 |
wgGuest05 | Why WEBGUI is better that JOOMLA? | 20:21 |
SquOnk | Trick question <g> | 20:21 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Yes. I could apply that patch. | 20:21 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: I guess you should go ahead and do the 7.5.35.2 with the i18n fix and let me worry about YUI 2.7 b0rk3ness | 20:22 |
+perlDreamer | SquOnk, I'll be blocking on free time until tomorrow night | 20:22 |
+perlDreamer | then I can make a new community release | 20:22 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Great. | 20:22 |
+perlDreamer | maybe when people read about this, they won't complain about our bug patching policy any more? | 20:23 |
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+perlDreamer | wgGuest05, for doing good comparisons of WebGUI vs Joomla, I suggest you use the cmsmatrix.org website | 20:24 |
+perlDreamer | afternoon, bopbop! | 20:24 |
@bopbop | hi perlDreamer | 20:24 |
wgGuest05 | And your opinion? | 20:24 |
wgGuest05 | I like to know your point of view. If is possible. | 20:25 |
+perlDreamer | wgGuest05, to be fair, I have never used any PHP based CMS. I started using WebGUI because it's written in Perl. | 20:25 |
+perlDreamer | The Group system is very powerful, and allows deep nesting of groups | 20:25 |
+perlDreamer | The macro system puts lots of flexibility into the hands of users | 20:25 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI aims to be very broad in nature, from personal websites up to large businesses and governments | 20:26 |
+perlDreamer | you can find lots of programs that do any 1 part better, but for a solid package, I don't think WebGUI can be beat. | 20:26 |
+perlDreamer | Downsides to WebGUI are that it requires shell access on a server to install it. | 20:27 |
+perlDreamer | The learning curve to get all the power is very steep (but there is free and for-pay documentation available) | 20:27 |
wgGuest05 | Ok, is good razons for me. I will test it. thanks | 20:28 |
+perlDreamer | wgGuest05: you can test quickly and easily by using the demo server | 20:29 |
+perlDreamer | demo.webgui.org for our stable version, and beta.webgui.org for the new, up-and-coming version | 20:29 |
wgGuest05 | I see this option. But I need to know life cicle implementation, include installation. Thanks | 20:30 |
+perlDreamer | what kind of machine will you be installing it on? | 20:31 |
wgGuest05 | Some linux hosting services. But you have any recomendation? | 20:34 |
+perlDreamer | I would recommend using the WebGUI Runtime Environment instead of a source install. | 20:35 |
+perlDreamer | it's designed to make installing WebGUI easy. | 20:35 |
+perlDreamer | and for good performance as well | 20:36 |
wgGuest05 | Nice. | 20:36 |
+perlDreamer | although, if you use Debian, there is a debian package for WebGUI available | 20:36 |
+perlDreamer | bopbop, Mrs. Dreamer wanted me to ask you if you'd gotten her email about going out at the WUC? | 20:38 |
@bopbop | perlDreamer: I didn't | 20:43 |
@bopbop | when was it sent? | 20:43 |
+perlDreamer | 1.5-2 weeks ago | 20:43 |
@bopbop | oh... no ;( | 20:43 |
+perlDreamer | but she's been having ISP problems | 20:43 |
@bopbop | ask her to send it again and I'll respond | 20:43 |
+perlDreamer | no problem. | 20:44 |
@preaction | yay! HelpDesk returns me to the correct tab after I close the new tab | 20:44 |
+perlmonkey2 | hmm, wre comes with imagemagick but the latest webgui requires and update which the wre cpan tries to use the system magick instead fo the wre magick (I believe). ANyone else ran into this issue? | 20:45 |
+perlDreamer | try installing libgomp? | 20:45 |
+perlDreamer | aside from that problem, I've had no problems with WRE 0.9.3 | 20:46 |
+perlmonkey2 | libgomp is installed and up to date :( | 20:46 |
+perlmonkey2 | hah, magically testEnvironment is now passing. No idea, but I'll take it. | 20:47 |
+perlmonkey2 | maybe it was just magick.xs that was failing. | 20:47 |
@Haarg | that could be selinux | 20:48 |
+perlmonkey2 | it's turned off :( | 20:48 |
+perlDreamer | almost sounds like setenvironment.sh wasn't run | 20:48 |
+perlmonkey2 | it's ran. in my bash_profile | 20:49 |
+perlmonkey2 | env shows the correct vars | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, if it's in root's bash_profile, it will break yum on CentOS 5.3 | 20:49 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: hmm, I've had no problem with yum | 20:50 |
+perlmonkey2 | how does it break it? | 20:50 |
+perlDreamer | there's something incompatible with parsing XML | 20:50 |
+perlDreamer | I did it on two different VM's | 20:51 |
+perlDreamer | and the only thing that fixed it was to not run setenv in root's bashrc | 20:51 |
+perlDreamer | maybe it's different/better in bash_profile? | 20:51 |
+perlmonkey2 | no idea and not sure why that would change anything? | 20:52 |
* perlDreamer doesn't know | 20:52 | |
+perlmonkey2 | maybe the order in which they are added to the env? | 20:52 |
+perlDreamer | could be | 20:52 |
* perlmonkey2 speculates uselessly some more :P | 20:52 | |
* perlDreamer would rather have it in a profile so I don't keep forgetting to run it ;) | 20:52 | |
+perlmonkey2 | hmm, now to get /etc/hosts ironed out. I'm guessin that's my last issue because 127.0.0.1:9080 doesn't work, but elinks localhost from the VM does work. | 20:53 |
+perlmonkey2 | am I an idiot or putting in /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 dev.localhost.localdomain for both my host and virt instances, and then forwarding 80 to 80 on the virt instance, that should work, right? | 21:05 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9442227 / (3 files in 3 dirs): i18n the New Column and Value entries. Fixes #10817. - http://bit.ly/ZHAao | 21:08 |
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+perlDreamer | I need to go shopping and make lunch for the kids. Any last second questions before I go? | 21:36 |
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elnino_ | hmm. I thought webgui ran on windows? | 22:02 |
@preaction | it does, we just don't support it anymore | 22:02 |
+BartJol | via a vmware appliance | 22:02 |
elnino_ | ah. ok. | 22:02 |
elnino_ | I thought I remembered seeing it no the website, just couldn't find it. That would explain it. | 22:03 |
+BartJol | well, that way you can have it supported | 22:03 |
elnino_ | I haven't dealt much at all with vmware. | 22:03 |
+BartJol | haven't used that installation neither | 22:04 |
@Haarg | we used to have a wre for windows, but the amount of hours it took to keep it working wasn't worth it. | 22:04 |
elnino_ | looking at wre http://sourceforge.net/projects/pbwebgui/files/WebGUI%20Runtime%20Environment/, what is: sles? | 22:06 |
+BartJol | suse? | 22:06 |
@Haarg | suse linux enterprise server | 22:06 |
elnino_ | ah. good. | 22:06 |
+BartJol | and it seems that the redhat package works fine on mandriva too | 22:07 |
+BartJol | and the debian does it fine for ubuntu desktop | 22:08 |
elnino_ | and osx - that's machintosh right? | 22:08 |
@Haarg | yes | 22:08 |
+BartJol | oh, I see that the debian package isn't on sourceforge | 22:08 |
elnino_ | yeah, i was just looking at that and wondering... | 22:08 |
elnino_ | ubuntu is there | 22:09 |
+BartJol | http://www.webgui.nl/leden/downloads | 22:09 |
+BartJol | that's ubuntu server | 22:09 |
+BartJol | at that url is the deb package | 22:09 |
+BartJol | be sure to read install instructions, it saves some rtfm moments | 22:11 |
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+BartJol | oh Haarg, I saw some install instructions for mandriva, maybe it's worth to put that in the wre install.txt file | 22:12 |
+BartJol | in the wiki that is | 22:12 |
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+BartJol | KlausH: I made some reactions to your upgrade posts, not sure they help, but it might | 22:55 |
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+perlmonkey2 | just cant seem to figure out my networking issues. I can get my web browser to connect to the sshd server on my virt instance, but it won't connect to webgui. But I can connect to webgui from a client on the virt instance. | 23:02 |
+BartJol | eeeh perlmonkey2, my first idea is firewall, but I suppose you checked that multiple times | 23:03 |
+perlmonkey2 | which should have been my first clue that iptables wasn't allowing port 80 traffic through :P | 23:03 |
+perlmonkey2 | BartJol: no, being a certified idiot, I did not. | 23:03 |
+BartJol | well, you're a great man, admitting your mistakes | 23:04 |
+perlmonkey2 | that's not a mistake, that is an epic failure of imagination! | 23:04 |
+perlmonkey2 | but at least now I have a virtual instance going that I'll never ever have to set up again. | 23:04 |
+perlmonkey2 | speaking of I need to back it up :P | 23:04 |
+BartJol | can't you make a template of it | 23:05 |
* SDuensin has flashbacks to the Apollo 1 inquery. | 23:05 | |
+perlmonkey2 | of a virtual centos5.3? | 23:05 |
+perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: hah | 23:05 |
SDuensin | :-) | 23:05 |
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+BartJol | well, we can do it in xen | 23:05 |
+BartJol | I believe for each install you make | 23:06 |
+perlmonkey2 | BartJol: I'm using xen right now. I guess I should have read up more before making this instance. | 23:06 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg: How do I "unsuck" the spectre pid file? | 23:11 |
@Haarg | have spectre use /var/run/spectre.pid by default if it isn't specified in the config | 23:12 |
@Haarg | and make sure the gotcha entry is clear about what users have to do | 23:12 |
+perlDreamer | will do | 23:12 |
+perlDreamer | svn rev 12228 | 23:24 |
+perlDreamer | Since this is the 2nd complaint against that gotcha text, I'd rather not close it until it's reviewed by several people. | 23:25 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4c0f971 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt docs/gotcha.txt sbin/spectre.pl): Use a default location for spectre.pid, tweak the gotchas text. Addresses bug #10822. - http://bit.ly/n5Rs6 | 23:32 |
@Haarg | it seems fine to me | 23:34 |
+perlDreamer | in this situation Haarg, you count as several people | 23:38 |
@Haarg | it might be good to tweak the behavior of the pid file handling though. spectre should probably clean the pid file up itself when it ends instead of relying on the calling program. | 23:38 |
@Haarg | i'll take care of that though if i decide it bugs me enough. | 23:38 |
+perlDreamer | okay | 23:38 |
+perlDreamer | tell me more about the suspected timing issue in IE6 with "ask user about rich editor" | 23:38 |
+perlDreamer | do I just need to delay the loading via an event? | 23:39 |
@Haarg | possibly | 23:39 |
+perlDreamer | it's odd that it throws a warning, then proceeds to work just fine | 23:39 |
@Haarg | or find an alternate approach to initializing then disabling immediately. | 23:39 |
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SquOnk | http://www.webgui.org/use/community-wiki/installing-webgui-in-debian | 00:06 |
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+TheBeastIsBack | SquOnk: cool | 00:08 |
+perlDreamer | Yo, beastie | 00:09 |
+TheBeastIsBack | mmm, just exhibited my worst driving so far | 00:09 |
+TheBeastIsBack | yo | 00:09 |
+TheBeastIsBack | sup, homie? | 00:10 |
* perlDreamer is chillin' | 00:10 | |
+perlDreamer | a bunch of da boyz are dissin' my docs, but ya know | 00:10 |
+TheBeastIsBack | need more reviewers? | 00:11 |
+perlDreamer | sure! | 00:11 |
+TheBeastIsBack | aren't line 45 and 50 in contradiction? | 00:13 |
+TheBeastIsBack | the location | 00:13 |
+perlDreamer | well, by default it will use /var/run/spectre.pid | 00:14 |
+perlDreamer | that no longer has to be in the spectre.conf file | 00:14 |
+perlDreamer | if you want to use a different location, it must be changed in the spectre.conf file | 00:14 |
+TheBeastIsBack | ok, but why is /data/wre/var/run added then? | 00:15 |
+TheBeastIsBack | it isn't commented | 00:15 |
+TheBeastIsBack | in the real option | 00:15 |
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+TheBeastIsBack | you name a default, but override it by default | 00:16 |
+TheBeastIsBack | which isn't bad, but it sounds weird | 00:17 |
+TheBeastIsBack | let' start again | 00:18 |
+TheBeastIsBack | normally, programs use a pid file in /var/run | 00:18 |
+TheBeastIsBack | am I correct? | 00:18 |
SquOnk | TheBeastIsBack: Yep, that's FHS compliant | 00:19 |
+TheBeastIsBack | but in the conf, that is overriden, but that is not mentioned | 00:19 |
+TheBeastIsBack | only that you have the possibilty | 00:19 |
+TheBeastIsBack | not that it is already done | 00:20 |
+perlDreamer | it is not already done? | 00:20 |
+perlDreamer | the gotcha file shows how to change the pid file location | 00:20 |
+TheBeastIsBack | ah, maybe I misread, I thought line 50 was not commented | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | line 50 of the gotcha file is not commented. It shows the user how to use a different pid file location | 00:22 |
+perlDreamer | one that might be WRE specific | 00:22 |
+TheBeastIsBack | if it is not, spectre.conf overrides the /var/run/spectre.pid default | 00:22 |
+TheBeastIsBack | or am I mistaken in that bit | 00:23 |
+perlDreamer | if you were to paste line 50 into spectre.conf, then it would override the code default of /var/run/spectre.pid | 00:23 |
+TheBeastIsBack | sorry, I am stupid | 00:23 |
+TheBeastIsBack | it is the gotcha file | 00:23 |
+perlDreamer | I don't think you're stupid, Beastie. It's my poor writing. | 00:24 |
+TheBeastIsBack | no, my bad reading | 00:24 |
+TheBeastIsBack | it clearly states gotcha.txt | 00:24 |
+TheBeastIsBack | not spectre.conf | 00:24 |
+TheBeastIsBack | oh, I haven't heard a deadline for sending in presentations, is there one? | 00:26 |
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+perlDreamer | not that I know of | 00:26 |
+TheBeastIsBack | does PB staff know more about that | 00:27 |
+TheBeastIsBack | I have some finishing touches to do | 00:27 |
+perlDreamer | they should know | 00:32 |
+perlDreamer | ask Jamie | 00:32 |
+perlDreamer | or Kristi | 00:32 |
+TheBeastIsBack | emailed Jamie | 00:34 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, I have a solution for IE 6 and FF 3.0.5! | 00:54 |
+perlDreamer | uh, 3.0.10 | 00:54 |
+perlDreamer | could you check out Safari for me? | 00:55 |
+perlDreamer | I'll check FF 2, IE 7 and Opera first, though | 00:55 |
@Haarg | i can test anything you need | 00:55 |
@Haarg | i suppose i should set up a firefox 3 install so can test with that | 00:56 |
SquOnk | Haarg: Mosaic? <g> | 00:56 |
@Haarg | i can test everything we support :) | 00:57 |
+perlDreamer | we have a browser support policy? | 00:57 |
@Haarg | yes | 00:58 |
* SquOnk pondering where to go get some beer | 00:58 | |
@Haarg | although i don't remember what it is at the moment | 00:58 |
SquOnk | Man, I'd love to have a Hoegaarden Grand Cru or a Leffe Blonde... but my choices are bad beer and worst beer. | 00:59 |
+BartJol | SquOnk: like dutch and begian beers? | 01:02 |
SquOnk | BartJol: Hell yes. | 01:02 |
SquOnk | BartJol: I used to go to a bar named Wildeman near The Dam. 200+ beers | 01:03 |
+BartJol | will you make it to the wuc? | 01:03 |
SquOnk | BartJol: I got to try over 150. | 01:03 |
SquOnk | BartJol: Nah, can't make it. | 01:03 |
+BartJol | ah, I am bringing some for preaction | 01:03 |
@preaction | sweet | 01:03 |
+BartJol | I remembered | 01:04 |
SquOnk | That's good beer. | 01:04 |
SquOnk | I even traveled from A'dam to Antwerp only to sit at the Hoegaarden brewery for over five hours... | 01:04 |
+BartJol | :) | 01:04 |
SquOnk | We only have pilseners here. | 01:04 |
SquOnk | And not that good either. | 01:05 |
+BartJol | there are better breweries in belgium, but hoegaarden is fine too | 01:05 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, prototype fix committed | 01:05 |
SquOnk | ...besides being hit by the "light beer" trend | 01:05 |
+perlDreamer | it passed on all my browsers, please feel free to beat it up | 01:05 |
+BartJol | the german white's are better imho | 01:05 |
+BartJol | eeh, that sounds dubious | 01:06 |
KlausH | Hi, my next upgrade Question: Problems with Image::Magick. Self compiled WRE 0.93. Trying to upgrade from webgui 7.4.21 to 7.4.22. Error: You must have Image::Magic installed. But I think its installed and works... Any hints? | 01:10 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5a9f9f4 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/RichEdit.pm): Make "ask user about using rich edit" work on IE6. Fixes #10808 (I hope). - http://bit.ly/L0yhH | 01:11 |
@Haarg | what os/distro? | 01:11 |
KlausH | OpenSuse 11.1 | 01:12 |
KlausH | 32bit | 01:12 |
@Haarg | and what do you get from running /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl -MImage::Magick -le'print Image::Magick->VERSION' | 01:13 |
KlausH | Can't locate auto/Image/Magick/Version.al in @INC (@INC contains: /data/WebGUI/lib /data/WebGUI/lib /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.10.0/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.10.0 /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0 .) at -e line 1 | 01:14 |
KlausH | Hmmm... | 01:15 |
@Haarg | Version ? | 01:15 |
@Haarg | did you have the capitalization correct in what you ran? | 01:15 |
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KlausH | Sorry, missspelled "Version" - how can you know... | 01:18 |
KlausH | Version is 6.5.2 | 01:18 |
@Haarg | so it is able to load properly. odd that it's being complained about. | 01:19 |
@Haarg | the two things to test through the site to see if it is working is uploading an image using file pile and see if it generates the thumbnail properly | 01:20 |
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@Haarg | and enabling the captcha for user registration and testing that | 01:20 |
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KlausH | thumbnail geration works. but my problem was the upgrade script (and btw testEnvironment) | 01:25 |
+perlmonkey2 | wgd edit root/import/survey/default-section-edit | 01:33 |
+perlmonkey2 | no such file or directory.....any ideas on the issue? | 01:33 |
+perlDreamer | wrong url? | 01:34 |
+perlDreamer | what does wgd ls root/import/survey say? | 01:34 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: wgd edit: root/import/survey: No such asset | 01:35 |
+perlDreamer | then your site is borken | 01:37 |
@Haarg | wgd edit root/import/survey/default-survey-edit works with my default 7.7 site | 01:38 |
+perlmonkey2 | Haarg: i get that isn't a valid asset :( | 01:39 |
+perlDreamer | wgd edit root/import/survey should let you edit the Folder that contains all the Survey templates, js and css snippets | 01:39 |
+perlmonkey2 | I'm at head, wre 9.3, and just build the wgd. | 01:39 |
+perlmonkey2 | built | 01:39 |
+perlDreamer | how does that site look in a browser? | 01:39 |
+perlmonkey2 | just fine | 01:39 |
+perlDreamer | then navigate in the Asset Manager over to Root / Import and see if there's a Survey Folder | 01:40 |
+perlDreamer | if there is, you have wgd problems | 01:40 |
+perlDreamer | if there's not, then you have other problems | 01:40 |
+perlDreamer | are you running wgd from inside the WebGUI source tree? | 01:40 |
@Haarg | what about wgd ls root ? | 01:40 |
+perlmonkey2 | Haarg: no such asset | 01:41 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: nope | 01:41 |
+perlmonkey2 | yes | 01:41 |
+perlDreamer | wgd needs help finding /data/WebGUI | 01:41 |
@Haarg | hrm | 01:41 |
+perlmonkey2 | do I need an env set? | 01:41 |
@Haarg | it should be giving you an error about not being able to find webgui root | 01:41 |
+perlDreamer | wgd intro | 01:42 |
+perlmonkey2 | intro shows the man pags | 01:42 |
+perlmonkey2 | page | 01:42 |
+perlmonkey2 | oh | 01:42 |
+perlmonkey2 | Getting Started clears this all up | 01:42 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, it doesn't. | 01:43 |
+perlDreamer | it just says "No such file or directory" | 01:43 |
+perlmonkey2 | yes, it doesn't | 01:43 |
@Haarg | [gknop@cuneus ~]$ wgd ls root | 01:44 |
@Haarg | No WebGUI root directory available. | 01:44 |
@Haarg | i'll continue looking at it | 01:44 |
+perlmonkey2 | you should commit that then :D | 01:44 |
@Haarg | i haven't changed anything | 01:44 |
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+perlDreamer | here's the setup | 01:46 |
+perlDreamer | I did an unset on WEBGUI_CONFIG | 01:46 |
+perlDreamer | moved over to my home directory | 01:46 |
+perlDreamer | I have no wgdevcfg file | 01:47 |
+perlDreamer | wgd ls says "No such file or directory" | 01:47 |
+perlmonkey2 | setting root/config "fixed" wgd for me :) | 01:47 |
@Haarg | and that's all it says? | 01:48 |
+perlDreamer | that's all it says | 01:49 |
@Haarg | that's a very unhelpful error message :/ | 01:49 |
+perlDreamer | there's no action | 01:49 |
@Haarg | but help/intro/commands work? | 01:49 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 01:51 |
@Haarg | just tried on a random server and it gave me 'No WebGUI root directory available.' | 01:53 |
@Haarg | does wgd reset give you the same thing? | 01:54 |
@Haarg | just 'wgd reset' | 01:55 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 01:56 |
@Haarg | what is the exact message you get? | 01:56 |
+perlDreamer | No such file or directory | 01:56 |
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+perlDreamer | how does my ask fix look on Safari? | 02:00 |
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@Haarg | perlDreamer, seems to work | 02:09 |
+perlDreamer | cool! | 02:09 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd0dd47a / (docs/gotcha.txt sbin/spectre.pl): Define what I want the user to do in the gotcha's file, and in the spectre error messages. | 02:12 |
@Haarg | can you apply http://gist.github.com/174295 this patch to wgd and then run 'WGDEV_DEBUG=1 wgd ls' ? | 02:12 |
@Haarg | i'm heading out, but i'll check scrollback when i'm back | 02:14 |
+perlDreamer | exact same output: No such file or directory | 02:16 |
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+perlDreamer | congratulations, patspam! You made it! | 02:34 |
+patspam | almost man! today is the day... | 02:34 |
+patspam | hand-over this afternoon... | 02:34 |
+patspam | holding my breath =p | 02:34 |
+perlDreamer | well, if you become anxious about it, you know a good resource for handling it... | 02:35 |
+patspam | heh indeed :) | 02:36 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, you still around? | 03:47 |
+perlDreamer | still lurking about | 03:47 |
+perlDreamer | with the patch applied, exactly the same output | 03:47 |
+perlDreamer | No such file or directory | 03:47 |
+perlDreamer | However, my JSON collateral aspect is coming along nicely | 03:47 |
@Haarg | http://gist.github.com/174342 | 03:47 |
@Haarg | can you try that patch? | 03:48 |
+perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/174343 | 03:49 |
+perlDreamer | did that help at all? | 03:53 |
@Haarg | hopefully it will | 03:53 |
@Haarg | ok | 03:54 |
@Haarg | very strange | 03:54 |
+perlDreamer | what have I done to WGDev? | 03:54 |
@Haarg | so the correct exception is getting thrown | 03:55 |
@Haarg | but it's using the wrong error message | 03:55 |
+perlDreamer | could I have a bad/old/different version of Exception::Class? | 03:55 |
@Haarg | i don't see how that could cause this, but might as well check | 03:56 |
@Haarg | what version do you have? | 03:56 |
+perlDreamer | 124 | 03:56 |
+perlDreamer | 1.24 | 03:56 |
@Haarg | i have 1.29 | 03:57 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI exceptions and tests seem to work okay | 03:57 |
+perlDreamer | let me upgrade | 03:57 |
@Haarg | that will do it | 03:58 |
@Haarg | <1.27 is broken | 03:58 |
@Haarg | 'The error message for an exception no longer defaults to $!. This was a bad idea, and has bitten some people. Addresses RT #43600.' | 03:58 |
+perlDreamer | we recommend 1.26 in testEnvironment.pl | 03:59 |
+perlDreamer | and that's what ships with 0.9.3 | 03:59 |
+perlDreamer | let's see how the rest of WebGUI handles that module upgrade | 04:00 |
+perlDreamer | getting called to dinner | 04:01 |
+perlDreamer | be back in 20-30 | 04:02 |
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* perlDreamer is back | 04:27 | |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * rb822767 / lib/WGDev/Command/Intro.pm : fix pod docs in Intro command - http://bit.ly/uDBcR | 04:27 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r223ac90 / lib/WGDev/X.pm : can now set WGDEV_DEBUG to get full trace for WGDev exceptions - http://bit.ly/cuKif | 04:27 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r938d4e1 / lib/WGDev/X.pm : add workaround for old bad versions of Exception::Class - http://bit.ly/Hb9Ln | 04:27 |
@Haarg | just in time | 04:27 |
+perlDreamer | what do we about about WebGUI/WRE? | 04:29 |
@Haarg | we don't rely on that functionality for webgui | 04:29 |
@Haarg | it's only because in several places i have a bare ->throw with no params | 04:30 |
+perlDreamer | ah, I see | 04:30 |
@Haarg | and i have it set up to default to the description in those cases | 04:30 |
@Haarg | i assume we will upgrade it in the future, and then i'll probably remove that code and set a hard min version | 04:31 |
+perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/174383 | 04:32 |
+perlDreamer | that's from the Spanish translation, Asset_WikiMaster | 04:33 |
@preaction | er... that's... wrong | 04:33 |
@Haarg | yeah | 04:33 |
@Haarg | must be old | 04:33 |
@Haarg | that is written using Data::Dumper now | 04:33 |
@Haarg | so it couldn't end up like that | 04:33 |
+perlDreamer | I just exported that today | 04:34 |
+perlDreamer | it's that way in SVN, too | 04:34 |
@Haarg | yeah, but it must be from a bug in an older version of the translation server | 04:34 |
@Haarg | all export does is make a tarball | 04:35 |
@Haarg | so we'll want to fix it in svn, but i'm not sure what else there would be to do | 04:35 |
@Haarg | svn and of the filesystem on the translation server that is | 04:35 |
@Haarg | *and on | 04:35 |
+perlDreamer | I don't suppose you have a skeleton of a fix-up script made for iterating over all the modules in every language, do you? | 04:37 |
@Haarg | nope | 04:38 |
+perlDreamer | well, probably about time someone made one, then ;) | 04:38 |
@Haarg | possibly, although it should be a one time use kind of thing | 04:38 |
+perlDreamer | let me finish checking out how wG is doing without the Spanish translation installed, and I'll get starrted on it | 04:38 |
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@Haarg | did you ever get a chance to look over the wgdev intro docs? | 04:40 |
+perlDreamer | yes. I noticed one thing that I wanted to add, that was later added | 04:41 |
+perlDreamer | and that was a way to get a list of all the commands | 04:41 |
+perlDreamer | I'd add the --upgrade switch in the intro docs. That's massively useful. | 04:42 |
+perlDreamer | I also noticed the blank line below "help" in the list of commands, but I see now that it is intentional | 04:47 |
@Haarg | yes | 04:48 |
+perlDreamer | you write good docs, Haarg | 04:48 |
@Haarg | although i also noticed after forgetting that i had added it in and it took me a minute to realize why it was there | 04:48 |
@Haarg | so i may adjust that some | 04:48 |
+perlDreamer | Guid and Id have exactly the same description | 04:49 |
+perlDreamer | well, almost | 04:49 |
@Haarg | the commands? | 04:49 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 04:49 |
@Haarg | there is no Id command | 04:49 |
+perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/174391 | 04:49 |
@Haarg | possibly an old version or something. i don't remember if that was renamed at some point. | 04:50 |
@Haarg | the command list is autodetected | 04:50 |
+perlDreamer | yes. I wrote an Id a long time ago | 04:50 |
+perlDreamer | I wanted to quickly go from base64 to hex, to look up storage locations | 04:52 |
+perlDreamer | and also to validate Ids | 04:52 |
@Haarg | did you give it to patspam? | 04:52 |
+perlDreamer | no, I should | 04:52 |
@Haarg | well | 04:53 |
@Haarg | i got the guid command from him | 04:53 |
+perlDreamer | patspam: are your ears burning? | 04:53 |
+patspam | aye :) | 04:53 |
@Haarg | all it does is generate guid though | 04:53 |
@Haarg | so you should add your stuff into the guid command | 04:54 |
+perlDreamer | what do you think of merging this very old, bad attempt at a WGdev plugin with your Guid module? http://gist.github.com/174394 | 04:54 |
+patspam | looks good | 04:54 |
@Haarg | i might try to do the top two items on the issues list, but other than that i think wgdev is ready for a 0.4.0 release | 04:57 |
+patspam | should be able to merge it an still keep guid as the most trivial plugin | 04:57 |
+perlDreamer | but gaining in power and status | 04:58 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Patrick Donelan master * ra349a8c / lib/WGDev/Command/Mail.pm : Added Mail command, for testing the wg Mail API - http://bit.ly/4m5gAQ | 04:58 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * rb97405a / lib/WGDev/Command/Mail.pm : Merge commit 'pdonelan/mail' - http://bit.ly/Jh15o | 04:58 |
@Haarg | so my latest idea which i may or may not get working | 05:00 |
@Haarg | is to have the reset command create a webgui session and inject a cookie for it into your browser | 05:00 |
daviddelikat | preaction: what is the code look like to turn off debug messages? | 05:04 |
@preaction | $session->log->preventDebugOutput(1) i think | 05:04 |
@Haarg | you don't even need the 1 | 05:05 |
+patspam | Haarg: that'd be awesome | 05:05 |
daviddelikat | thanks | 05:05 |
@Haarg | it shouldn't be too hard to do for firefox at least | 05:05 |
@Haarg | safari i don't know yet | 05:05 |
@Haarg | anyway, i'm off. might be on later | 05:06 |
+patspam | can I already set settings so that reset sets the admin user's email? | 05:06 |
@Haarg | maybe | 05:06 |
+perlDreamer | wgd settings that I wrote, is output only | 05:06 |
@Haarg | it has an option to run util other commands | 05:06 |
@Haarg | settings can set settings now | 05:07 |
+perlDreamer | nice :) | 05:07 |
@Haarg | and retrieve them via wildcard | 05:07 |
+patspam | was someone working on a wgd shell? | 05:07 |
+perlDreamer | daviddelikat was, iirc | 05:07 |
+patspam | yeah I thought I saw something | 05:08 |
+perlDreamer | I actually thought of something else I wanted to do via wgd the other day | 05:08 |
@Haarg | i have a branch for it, don't remember if i pushed it or not | 05:08 |
daviddelikat | I put together a simple shell, you want a copy? | 05:08 |
@Haarg | now that everything is exceptions instead of using exit a shell can be made much cleaner | 05:08 |
+perlDreamer | it wasn't diff | 05:08 |
+patspam | yeah! i'd love to have a REPL console where I could call the wg API with a pre-instantiated session object | 05:08 |
+patspam | is that what your shell does? | 05:09 |
@Haarg | patspam, check out my wgsh branch in github | 05:10 |
daviddelikat | it just keeps the wgd tool loaded between commands | 05:10 |
@Haarg | it hasn't been updated since i made all the exception changes | 05:10 |
@Haarg | and it didn't even work before then | 05:10 |
@Haarg | but it's a simple start | 05:10 |
daviddelikat | only has minor issues that I know of | 05:10 |
@Haarg | what you were saying with a REPL shell would be very nice as well | 05:11 |
daviddelikat | whats REPL? | 05:11 |
@Haarg | read, eval, print, loop | 05:11 |
@Haarg | anyway, heading out for real this time | 05:12 |
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daviddelikat | so it would be sort of a WG emersion shell? | 05:12 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 05:12 |
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+perlDreamer | Gruss Gott, Herr Hertle | 05:24 |
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elnino | out of curiousity, is there a way to provide the product url of the listing in a matrix on the main matrix template? what would be the template variable for this? I do not see any listing loop in the help file. I'm running 7.6.27 | 07:22 |
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+bartjol | KlausH: did my forum posts help for a bit? | 13:45 |
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hansw | hi | 15:26 |
+bartjol | Hi hansw | 16:09 |
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hansw | he Bart | 16:30 |
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elnino | Good morning! out of curiousity, is there a way to provide the product url of the listing in a matrix on the main matrix template? what would be the template variable for this? I do not see any listing loop in the help file. I'm running 7.6.27 | 16:43 |
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+bartjol | the getlistings call is done in the view method elnino | 16:50 |
+bartjol | but that does not cotain tmpl vars | 16:50 |
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+bartjol | it is a loop | 16:55 |
+bartjol | which contains hashrefs | 16:57 |
+bartjol | I am looking in 7.7.18 though | 16:58 |
+bartjol | elnino you can try to get these vars in a listings loop: assetData.title, | 16:59 |
+bartjol | assetData.url, | 16:59 |
+bartjol | listing.assetId, | 16:59 |
+bartjol | listing.views, | 16:59 |
+bartjol | listing.compares, | 16:59 |
+bartjol | listing.clicks, | 16:59 |
+bartjol | listing.lastUpdated | 16:59 |
+bartjol | in <tmpl_loop listing_loop> | 17:00 |
+bartjol | it does not seem to be in the helpfile though | 17:05 |
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elnino | Thank you bartjol. I'll see if ti works in my version. Did you find that info in a wiki? | 18:19 |
+bartjol | no, in the code | 18:20 |
+bartjol | (www_view in Matrix.pm) | 18:20 |
+bartjol | which refers to getListings | 18:21 |
+bartjol | and the sql query does not give a select x as y, so I suspect the var names are related to the sql fieldnames | 18:22 |
@Haarg | preaction, are you using xchat aqua? | 18:24 |
ckotil | Does the developer wre not do so much caching? | 18:25 |
ckotil | bc i was wracking my brain against my screen yesterday about some simple html thickbox popup i couldnt get to work, and i guess it was due to caching bc it works now. | 18:25 |
@Haarg | caching is no different in the wre if you choose development mode | 18:25 |
ckotil | the html and javascript gets served up by a macro | 18:25 |
ckotil | hrm, then what does dev mode offer? | 18:26 |
@Haarg | it changes the number of processes started | 18:26 |
elnino | ok. thanks bartjol. I'll write a wiki after I try it tonight. Thanks much! | 18:26 |
+perlmonkey2 | preaction: how did you set up your modern env? on your mac with a different env setting? | 18:27 |
+perlmonkey2 | just install 5.10.1 as an alternative and use it? | 18:28 |
+bartjol | elnino: ok, I hope it works, haven't tried it myself, but code browsing should help you some further in this case | 18:30 |
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+danny_mk | Hello everyone | 18:42 |
elnino | howdy | 18:43 |
+danny_mk | I am a little confused about something. Is http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7e335517 normal behavior | 18:44 |
+danny_mk | I understand that the configuration should list all the IP addresses | 18:45 |
+danny_mk | should I be allowing "Spectre workflow data load request" from external IP addresses? | 18:46 |
AMH_henry | danny_mk: which ip is configured in spectre.conf? | 18:51 |
+danny_mk | The internal ones, I got that right. My question has to do more with security. I am not sure if I am supposed to allow external IP addresses to request "Sepctre workflow dataload reqeusts" | 18:53 |
+danny_mk | if it is not a problem then I can always add this ip address as the requesting IP address is the public IP address on the external network (proxy) | 18:53 |
AMH_henry | if spectre is on internal ip then there is no need to open external access. | 18:56 |
+danny_mk | right, that is what I thought | 19:01 |
+danny_mk | Well, lets clarify that. The webgui site is accessible to the outside world via port forwarding | 19:02 |
AMH_henry | is spectre running on the same machine? | 19:02 |
@Haarg | spectre tries to connect using the hostname, so whatever ip that resolves to determines the route it will go through, and which ip the spectre request will show as coming from | 19:02 |
@Haarg | if it is on the same machine, you can either add that ip to the site config as an allowed spectre ip, or you could add the sitename to /etc/hosts pointing to 127.0.0.1 and the connections would always happen over the loopback | 19:03 |
+danny_mk | yes, spectre is running on the same machine | 19:05 |
+danny_mk | I like Haarg's idea of adding the entry to the /etc/hosts file | 19:06 |
AMH_henry | yes, i think it's more secure to use loopback. if you add public ip then everyone can trigger your spectre workflows | 19:08 |
+danny_mk | AH! that is the answer I was looking for :-) | 19:08 |
+danny_mk | Thank you. | 19:08 |
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+perlDreamer | Good morning, everybody. | 19:10 |
@Haarg | morning | 19:10 |
+perlDreamer | not bad. Only 1 new posted bug | 19:15 |
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+perlmonkey2 | hah, setenvironmnent for the wre as root breaks root's yum updates. Wrong shared xml parsing lib for python :P FYI | 19:34 |
+perlmonkey2 | at least in cent5.3 | 19:34 |
+perlDreamer | I've heard that, somewhere | 19:35 |
@Haarg | DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH causes problems elsewhere | 19:35 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, I closed the "I am the default Vendor" bug as not a bug. | 19:37 |
+perlDreamer | I'm going to work on the lastUpdated => script next | 19:37 |
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SquOnk | Greetings | 19:39 |
+perlDreamer | Howdy, SquOnk | 19:39 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: So, is 7.6.35.2 on the making? | 19:44 |
+perlDreamer | tonight | 19:44 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Excellent! | 19:44 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, I think it would be safest if we took the translation server down while I fix the data. Is that possible? | 19:54 |
+perlDreamer | also, I have the "script" done. It's a perl 1-liner that I'll run on each language one at a time | 19:55 |
* perlDreamer heads off to the gym | 20:01 | |
+perlDreamer | I'll backlog | 20:01 |
@preaction | Haarg: yes | 20:18 |
@preaction | perlmonkey2: I compiled 5.10.1 into the WRE using --prefix=/data/wre/prereqs | 20:18 |
@Haarg | i just saw yesterday that someone is trying to restart development and there is an rc out if you weren't aware. | 20:18 |
@preaction | ooh nice | 20:18 |
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@preaction | anyone else notice on the helpdesk that some tickets are impossible to respond to or edit? | 21:30 |
@Haarg | haven't seen that. you have an example ticket? | 21:31 |
@preaction | Haarg: 11632, but it seems only when you see it from the main helpdesk (as a tab) | 21:32 |
@preaction | if you open it in its own browser window, it works fine | 21:32 |
@preaction | if i click on an Edit button ,nothing happens, and i can't click Post for a comment (it changes, but doesn't actually submit) | 21:33 |
@Haarg | click edit on what? | 21:34 |
@preaction | next to Status | 21:34 |
@Haarg | i was able to change the status just fine | 21:35 |
@preaction | figures | 21:35 |
+perlDreamer | it knows better than to mess with Haarg | 22:34 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: how's about shutting down the translation site while I work on the raw files? | 22:36 |
@Haarg | i doubt it is a huge deal either way | 22:37 |
+perlDreamer | in that case, I'll just hack them on the site | 22:39 |
+perlDreamer | translations are all fixed | 23:06 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction: in the ThingyRecord, fieldPrice is JSON? | 23:54 |
@preaction | yes | 23:54 |
@preaction | it's individual field prices | 23:55 |
+perlDreamer | aside from Product, Survey, DataForm, Dataform_entry, Workflow Schedule, Workflow instance, Comments Aspect and ThingyRecord, any other ideas where to look? | 23:56 |
@preaction | Thingy itself maybe? | 23:56 |
@preaction | otherwise dunno, i was thinking we'd create a test to make sure there are only longtext and no regular text items. we get bit by this for more than JSON | 23:57 |
+perlDreamer | that will cause other problems | 23:57 |
+perlDreamer | like in the Profile | 23:57 |
@preaction | why? those fields should be longtext too | 23:58 |
+perlDreamer | longtext fields take up default space, and reduce the number of possible profile fields | 23:58 |
+perlDreamer | steveo_aa got bit by that one a while ago | 23:58 |
+perlDreamer | google for mysql maximum row size | 23:58 |
+perlDreamer | Thingy is okay | 23:59 |
@preaction | The maximum size of a row in a MyISAM table is 65,535 bytes. (However, each BLOB or TEXT column contributes only 9?12 bytes toward this size.) | 23:59 |
@preaction | it's all the CHAR(255) that contribute more | 23:59 |
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+perlDreamer | sounds like we have 2 problems | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | one, JSON fields should be BIG | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | two, Form/Control might need a better default | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | the other thing about the bug you posted is that there's not really anyway to fix the data | 00:01 |
+perlDreamer | once it's truncated, it's gone | 00:01 |
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+perlDreamer | BartJol! Ya big VIES workflow writing monter. | 00:02 |
+BartJol | eeeh | 00:02 |
+BartJol | almost | 00:03 |
+BartJol | I did work on it yesterday though | 00:03 |
+BartJol | but already fully booked his week to work more on it | 00:04 |
+BartJol | 5 almost full days of remodelling, visiting parents, sailing, even hardly time to drink beer and get in shape for the wuc | 00:07 |
+perlDreamer | sounds like fun :) | 00:08 |
+BartJol | fun and tiring | 00:08 |
+perlDreamer | BartJol: we fixed some bugs in the translations. Dutch was fine (no bugs) | 00:08 |
+BartJol | eeh, you checked my Dutch? | 00:09 |
+perlDreamer | only the data structures | 00:09 |
+BartJol | ah | 00:09 |
+BartJol | how can that get wrong | 00:09 |
@Haarg | did those problems actually cause any failures perlDreamer? | 00:09 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 00:09 |
+BartJol | oh, elnino mentioned today something about the main matrix template variables. there is a listing loop in the code, but not in the help | 00:10 |
+perlDreamer | several test failures, including syntaxCheck.t | 00:10 |
+perlDreamer | BartJol, that should be posted as a bug | 00:10 |
+BartJol | ah | 00:10 |
@Haarg | well, syntaxCheck i would expect since it is more strict than normal loading | 00:10 |
elnino | I can post it as a bug. Thanks | 00:11 |
+perlDreamer | then I'll assign it to you to fix :) | 00:11 |
+BartJol | elnino: did that loop work? | 00:13 |
+BartJol | if it doesn't, I may have misread | 00:14 |
elnino | no, I haven't tried it yet. I wont' for another 8 hours.... =) | 00:15 |
+BartJol | I see the loop on line 649 | 00:15 |
+BartJol | try that first before reporting | 00:15 |
elnino | ok will do. | 00:21 |
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+perlDreamer | I've got all the JSON fields, preaction. | 00:24 |
@preaction | ok, cool | 00:24 |
+perlDreamer | You're really convinced that we should use it everywhere? | 00:24 |
@Haarg | is there really a downside? | 00:24 |
@Haarg | mediumtext should be good enough for most things, but it's a difference of one byte | 00:26 |
+perlDreamer | it wasn't big enough for the DataForm entry data though. | 00:27 |
@Haarg | the case he posted about was from text fields i believe, not mediumtext | 00:27 |
+perlDreamer | entryData was mediumtext | 00:29 |
@Haarg | fieldConfiguration is not | 00:29 |
@Haarg | '65535' is the length of text, not mediumtext. so that error is definitely on a text field. | 00:30 |
+perlDreamer | create.sql says that entryData is mediumText | 00:30 |
@Haarg | exactly | 00:31 |
+perlDreamer | and fieldConfig and tabConfig are both text | 00:31 |
@Haarg | because that error isn't about entryData | 00:31 |
@Haarg | given that it's only one byte difference though i'd say we go with longtext everywhere like preaction said | 00:33 |
+perlDreamer | there are performance penalties for using variable fields vs fixed fields. http://forums.mysql.com/read.php?24,251314,251314#msg-251314 | 00:34 |
@preaction | variable fields are varchar as well. fixed fields are char() | 00:35 |
@Haarg | we're only changing fields that are already variable length though, right? | 00:36 |
@preaction | yes | 00:36 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, preaction: for review: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=12252 | 00:44 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: were you still planning on looking at the IE6 edit problems with the Survey? | 00:45 |
@preaction | looks good | 00:46 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: working on it now. | 00:46 |
+perlmonkey2 | might even have it solved. | 00:46 |
+perlDreamer | awesome! | 00:46 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: bah, it is all jacked up even if I do have it fixed. | 00:46 |
+perlmonkey2 | I'm not sure how it got this way, but it is oooogly. | 00:47 |
@Haarg | i don't see any problem with that patch | 00:47 |
+perlDreamer | It doesn't feel like the discussion is over, but I'll close out this bug for now. | 00:47 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: how's Codearea2 coming? | 00:51 |
+perlDreamer | this is really pretty cool | 00:51 |
+perlDreamer | we have about 5 core bugs on the list | 00:51 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7fcb339 / (5 files in 4 dirs): | 00:51 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Upgrade all database tables that use JSON to be LONGTEXT instead of what they were. | 00:51 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Addresses bug #10825 - http://bit.ly/nqYsP | 00:51 |
+perlDreamer | and 3 of them are being handled by community members | 00:52 |
+perlDreamer | Yung has the userProfile bug, Bart has the VIES retry workflow, and perlmonkey2+optional windmill attachments is working on the IE6 rendering bug | 00:52 |
+perlmonkey2 | I hate YUI. This would all be so easy with the GWT. | 00:53 |
+BartJol | hey I got a bug | 00:56 |
+perlDreamer | no charge, BartJol. Just be sure to either have it done by next Thursday, September 3, or let us know so we can take a stab at fixing it. | 00:58 |
+BartJol | well, monday evening is my programming/bug fixing time | 00:59 |
+BartJol | If I have the feeling monday, I won't make it, I'll post the code I made and notify on irc | 01:00 |
+perlDreamer | cool. That will be very helpful | 01:00 |
+BartJol | and I'm trying to convince JT for implementing my international stuff | 01:03 |
+BartJol | oh perlDreamer if it gets approved, can I borrow you for some testwriting during the hackathon | 01:07 |
+perlDreamer | shouldn't be a problem :) | 01:08 |
+BartJol | or during the 3 hour wait during making the stew | 01:08 |
+BartJol | well, I got an approval, so I got you booked, prolly need some time with JT, he has some ideas for a better implementation it seems | 01:10 |
+BartJol | nighty nigthy folks | 01:15 |
+perlDreamer | later, BartJol :) | 01:17 |
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+perlDreamer | elnino: do you have a sec to try a Linux::Smaps fix? | 01:18 |
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elnino | perlDreamer. No.. but email me the info and I'll try to try it tonight. | 01:48 |
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+perlDreamer | okay, you should get it via the bug board soon | 01:49 |
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SDuensin | Hey! I learned something very interesting that would benefit WebGUI's shop... | 02:59 |
SDuensin | iTransact *can* do a recurring (subscription) transaction that the payment amount changes monthly. | 02:59 |
* SDuensin cheers! | 02:59 | |
SDuensin | That's going to make my life SO MUCH easier. :-) | 02:59 |
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SDuensin | Hey patspam | 03:29 |
+patspam | hey SDuensin! | 03:29 |
SDuensin | I think I just broke WebGUI. :-) | 03:29 |
+patspam | ooh, how'd you do that? | 03:30 |
SDuensin | I exported a folder with two files in it as a wpgk and imported it into another site. First try, nothing happened. Second try, the folder showed up but no contents. There was no third try. :-) | 03:30 |
+patspam | any errors in the logs? | 03:31 |
SDuensin | Ok, so suggest the obvious. | 03:31 |
SDuensin | Let me check. :-D | 03:31 |
SDuensin | I see a SQL error, but it's not on the site I'm working on. | 03:34 |
+patspam | it's probably likely to be a permissions problem or a spectre problem | 03:35 |
+patspam | permissions would normally show up in the log | 03:35 |
+patspam | with spectre your mileage may vary | 03:36 |
SDuensin | hehe | 03:36 |
SDuensin | http://hey-it.com/ | 03:40 |
SDuensin | Ok, I'm getting Email every time I commit a tag. What setting did I change? | 04:00 |
@preaction | you're in the Notify About Version Tag group | 04:07 |
@preaction | see your commit workflow | 04:07 |
SDuensin | Is that new? Or changed? | 04:07 |
@preaction | that's part of the default Commit With Approval workflow | 04:07 |
SDuensin | That's what I set wrong. I don't want approval. :-) | 04:08 |
SDuensin | Thanks. | 04:08 |
* SDuensin is really liking his rounded article theme. Needs to clean it up and package it! | 04:13 | |
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+perlDreamer | SDuensin, paste that package into a bug and we'll have a peek at it | 05:09 |
SDuensin | Sure thing, perlDreamer | 05:10 |
+perlDreamer | and post an RFE with all that you know about the monthly price charge from ITransact | 05:10 |
SDuensin | I'll attach the PDF. | 05:10 |
+perlDreamer | do they use a postback URL? | 05:11 |
SDuensin | Same as what it does now, except you can send them an update request to change settings before they run the transaction. Just another XML or HTML request. | 05:11 |
+perlDreamer | interesting | 05:12 |
+perlDreamer | so if WebGUI's and ITransact's duration definitions ever changed, or skewed, you'd be screwed | 05:12 |
SDuensin | Well, you set the recipes up for the durations by hand, so you could always change it... | 05:13 |
+perlDreamer | and you just set up a cronjob per purchase for spectre to handle | 05:13 |
SDuensin | It can even use the same recipes - as long as you set them up as "split" to begin with. (Which, of course, I didn't.) | 05:13 |
+perlDreamer | i tried to get them to extend their testing interface, because it doesn't support recurring transactions | 05:14 |
+perlDreamer | their response, which I do appreciate to a degree, was to let me use an internal developer account for a month | 05:14 |
+perlDreamer | it kind of defeats the purpose of automated testing... | 05:14 |
SDuensin | Who do you deal with there? My contact is Todd Richardson. He's been excellent. | 05:15 |
+perlDreamer | it was someone on the support board | 05:15 |
+perlDreamer | I would love it if they would open up their testing interface, and expose more functionality | 05:16 |
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SDuensin | WPKG ticket is 10826. | 05:16 |
+perlDreamer | cool. I have a project that I'm working on, and tonight I'm making another community release but it'll be looked at soon | 05:17 |
+perlDreamer | You're going to hate me SDuensin | 05:17 |
SDuensin | Fun project? | 05:17 |
SDuensin | Oh? | 05:17 |
+perlDreamer | It's a plugin to allow easy handling of JSON in the database | 05:18 |
SDuensin | Hey, that's half a cheer! Makes things easier, but it's still WRONG! | 05:18 |
SDuensin | :-) | 05:18 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI, only 25% wrong! | 05:18 |
SDuensin | hehe | 05:18 |
SDuensin | You realize that Rizen is going to close my RFE with a "Denied - Came from SDuensin", right? :-) | 05:27 |
+perlDreamer | nah | 05:27 |
SDuensin | RFE #10827 | 05:27 |
+perlDreamer | he let that other wacky checkout RFEs | 05:27 |
+perlDreamer | i don't see why he wouldn't let this in | 05:27 |
+perlDreamer | aside from the fact that it's from you | 05:27 |
+perlDreamer | but you didn't say "JSON in the DB", so you have half a chance | 05:27 |
SDuensin | Speaking of checkout... Is the template group working on the shopping cart? My god is that ugly! | 05:28 |
SDuensin | hehehe | 05:28 |
+perlDreamer | You should checkout those recent RFEs | 05:28 |
+perlDreamer | they'll affect that a lot | 05:28 |
SDuensin | It's nice, but kind of odd as it is. I'm finally using it to bill customers. | 05:29 |
SDuensin | Three days, baby. New big cat from Cupertino. | 05:31 |
+perlDreamer | Business? | 05:32 |
+perlDreamer | that's great! | 05:32 |
+perlDreamer | or are you adopting a new pet? | 05:32 |
SDuensin | It'd be even greater if I could survive on it. | 05:32 |
SDuensin | Snow Leopard, dude. :-P | 05:32 |
+perlDreamer | oh, that | 05:33 |
SDuensin | For $29, how bad can it be? | 05:33 |
+perlDreamer | 29/0 is a big number | 05:33 |
+perlDreamer | of course, that OS would probably work... | 05:33 |
SDuensin | hehe | 05:33 |
* SDuensin quite likes 10.5.x | 05:33 | |
* perlDreamer has only used MacOS a few times | 05:34 | |
SDuensin | It's pretty much what the Linux guys want to end up with. :-) | 05:34 |
+perlDreamer | hm. Not too bad. 94.2% coverage on my first set of tests | 05:36 |
+perlDreamer | let's see what it takes to crank it up to 100% | 05:36 |
SDuensin | Between WebGUI and PhotoShop, I look like I know WTF I'm doing. :-D | 05:52 |
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+perlDreamer | bbl | 06:05 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.6 * raf7c645 / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset.pm : fix syntax error in i18n for Asset.pm - http://bit.ly/18rGQZ | 07:32 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.6 * red30e3a / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/RichEdit.pm): Backport "ask user about using richedit" fix. - http://bit.ly/DqpRN | 07:32 |
+perlDreamer | For those of you who are either very brave, very trusting, or very foolish, I just made another community release of WebGUI 7.6.35.2. You can download it from the Bazaar. | 08:01 |
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SynQ | hi there | 09:10 |
SynQ | I have created this: http://events.linkedin.com/WebGUI-Users-Conference/pub/114285 | 09:12 |
SynQ | http://events.linkedin.com/WebGUI-User-Conference/pub/114285 | 09:13 |
SynQ | please say you are coming on linkedin | 09:14 |
SynQ | it helps to show your relations to show how big an event the WUC really is | 09:14 |
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SquOnk | Hi everyone | 15:46 |
SquOnk | Hmmm.... | 16:03 |
SquOnk | There's a file named '1' and another one named 'proven' in the unofficial 7.6.35.2 release. perlDreamer must have been in a hurry :-) | 16:03 |
daviddelikat | gotta wonder how that happened... | 16:14 |
SquOnk | We will find out soon... | 16:14 |
daviddelikat | are tehy empty? | 16:15 |
daviddelikat | are they empty? | 16:15 |
daviddelikat | and .. are they in svn? | 16:15 |
SquOnk | daviddelikat: I'm checking, wait | 16:16 |
daviddelikat | sorry I didn't know what we were finding out | 16:17 |
SquOnk | daviddelikat: The file named '1' is empty, the file named 'proven' ~820k, they're not in SVN | 16:17 |
daviddelikat | so they're in the distributed archive? | 16:18 |
SquOnk | daviddelikat: Yes. The unofficial .tar.gz in the Bazaar | 16:18 |
daviddelikat | very strange | 16:19 |
SquOnk | daviddelikat: My guess is perlDreamer was in a hurry/tired at the time... | 16:21 |
daviddelikat | i'd guess the same, but files like that don't create themselves | 16:21 |
daviddelikat | making it | 16:22 |
daviddelikat | very ngestra | 16:22 |
daviddelikat | or | 16:22 |
daviddelikat | strange | 16:22 |
daviddelikat | whichever | 16:22 |
SquOnk | Well, 'proven' looks like the output of a test run | 16:23 |
SquOnk | And '1' is actually and empty directory. | 17:04 |
SquOnk | So, let's summon perlDreamer so he can unb0rk it | 17:04 |
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+perlDreamer | Morning, folks. | 17:51 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Morning. | 17:52 |
+perlDreamer | How't that .2, SquOnk? | 17:52 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: 7.6.35.2 tar.gz has a file named 'proven' and an empty '1' directory | 17:52 |
+perlDreamer | what? | 17:52 |
+perlDreamer | grrrr | 17:52 |
+perlDreamer | at least all the tests pass.. | 17:53 |
+perlDreamer | would you like a .3, or does it need to be pruned | 17:53 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: No, just remove them from the .tar.gz | 17:54 |
+perlDreamer | uploading now | 17:58 |
+perlDreamer | maybe it's an extended feature, SquOnk. Proof that the tests were run, and what the results were? | 17:58 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Yeah, right. | 17:59 |
+perlDreamer | okay, it's up there | 18:00 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin: are you awake yet? | 18:01 |
+perlDreamer | bummer | 18:08 |
+perlDreamer | his buggy package works okay for me | 18:08 |
LTR_bob | Hi guys | 18:09 |
+perlDreamer | howdy, LTR_bob! | 18:09 |
+perlDreamer | Congratulations on your company being nominated for Contributor of the Year | 18:09 |
LTR_bob | Has anyone made an attempt to print labels to pdf in WebGUI? I meen shipping labels for the shop | 18:09 |
LTR_bob | Thank you! | 18:09 |
+perlDreamer | LTR_bob, not that I know of. | 18:10 |
+perlDreamer | but a lot of the devs don't hang out in here, so you could try the developer list. | 18:10 |
+perlDreamer | In theory, as long as you used the blank style, it should work fine | 18:10 |
LTR_bob | k, i thought i would check before rolling up my sleeves and getting started :P | 18:11 |
+perlDreamer | I do know that they print to a thermal printer for making badges for the WUC. and that the badges come from the EMS | 18:11 |
LTR_bob | Emergency Medical System | 18:11 |
LTR_bob | ? | 18:11 |
+perlDreamer | Event Management System ;) | 18:12 |
LTR_bob | :P Event | 18:12 |
LTR_bob | yeah, it just cracks me up every time I see EMS | 18:12 |
+perlDreamer | hehe | 18:12 |
LTR_bob | It like using CMS and CMS if you work in a ad agency and you are responsible for the Color Management and the Website | 18:13 |
+perlDreamer | we have acronym overload | 18:14 |
LTR_bob | at least with this one they did not first pick a word and then try to figure out what it stands for! | 18:15 |
+perlDreamer | I think that was the way the spectre was born | 18:15 |
+perlDreamer | S.P.E.C.T.R.E. is the Supervisor of Perplexing Event-handling Contraptions for Triggering Relentless Executions | 18:15 |
LTR_bob | I'm looking forward to the WUC and your presentation! | 18:16 |
+perlDreamer | Cool! | 18:16 |
+perlDreamer | I'm hoping for a lot of good discussion about Story Manager | 18:16 |
LTR_bob | Goodnight and goodbye! | 18:16 |
LTR_bob | (heard of it but didnot know it's name, that will be cool indeed) | 18:18 |
LTR_bob | Even better news: I now see you are doing TWO presentations!!! | 18:19 |
LTR_bob | It's going to be a good WUC | 18:20 |
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SquOnk | perlDreamer: WebGUI.pm still has 7.6.35.1 | 18:38 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: But everything else looks ok | 18:40 |
+perlDreamer | SquOnk, you are relentlessly thorough, which is good | 18:40 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Debian does that on people ;-) | 18:40 |
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+perlDreamer | SquOnk: do you still have a plan for your hordes of students to translate WebGUI into Spanish? | 18:43 |
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+perlDreamer | Good morning, Haarg | 18:43 |
@Haarg | morning | 18:44 |
+perlDreamer | svn rev 12255. also -> preaction | 18:44 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: ...and a customer is willing to work there too. | 18:48 |
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SquOnk | perlDreamer: Let me know when the tarball has been updated. | 18:49 |
+perlDreamer | it is done | 18:49 |
SquOnk | Ok, here we go | 18:49 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r18a52b9 / (6 files in 4 dirs): | 18:52 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Refactor out the JSON collateral code from FilePump/Bundle.pm to make an aspect | 18:52 |
CIA-53 | webgui: that can be used by assets, operations and any other modules in WebGUI. - http://bit.ly/uFGDN | 18:52 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rdc99ee1 / lib/WebGUI/FilePump/Bundle.pm : Refactor FilePump/Bundle.pm to use the JSONCollateral Aspect. - http://bit.ly/30sWjH | 18:52 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg: wgdev doesn't have a way to specify which database script gets imported? | 19:55 |
@Haarg | reset you mean? | 19:55 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 19:55 |
@Haarg | not really | 19:55 |
@Haarg | it automatically picks previousVersion or create based on if --upgrade was specified | 19:56 |
+perlDreamer | I'm running upgrade loops, and it would be handy to be able to pull in an arbitrary backup script | 19:56 |
@Haarg | well, you could also tell reset to not import a script and instead pre-load one with wgd db | 19:56 |
@Haarg | but it would also make sense to allow you to specify --import=file.sql | 19:57 |
+perlDreamer | No, I see now. reset is the wrong paradigm for what I want to do | 19:57 |
+perlDreamer | wgd db has the right set of tools | 19:57 |
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carogray | Hi all, sorry for so many interruptions for all the connecting and disconnecting last week. I was staying at a friend's house in OR and still on earlyEast Coast time, connected to WRONG wireless connection. Apologies | 20:18 |
+perlDreamer | OR? | 20:18 |
+perlDreamer | What part of OR? | 20:18 |
carogray | Portland | 20:18 |
+perlDreamer | I'm in Portland! | 20:18 |
+perlDreamer | You should have said something | 20:18 |
carogray | ohho! didn't realize that - you are right I should have! | 20:18 |
+perlDreamer | We could have had the inaugural WebGUI Portland Drink | 20:19 |
carogray | so sorry to have missed you. but now I have learned that Smith Rock is out there and Jet Blue is so inexpensive ... etc. I am definitely returning when I get a little time and $ collected next year | 20:19 |
carogray | Yes that would have been wunderbar! | 20:19 |
carogray | in the meantime... | 20:20 |
carogray | I am learning about putting | 20:20 |
carogray | Flash files into WebGUI - transferring another website | 20:20 |
carogray | I have an swf file and an xml file and an album full of images with small ones. | 20:21 |
carogray | On the original site the xml and swf files are all in the root directory, as are the individual album folders of images. | 20:21 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r13cceb9 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/JSONCollateral.t): Check JSON deserialization, and make Assets do it. - http://bit.ly/Iuq1x | 20:21 |
+perlDreamer | Original website is WebGUI? | 20:22 |
carogray | Can I put all of these in the media folder in WebGUI and then change paths and URLs | 20:22 |
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carogray | nope original site is in perl written custom built cms | 20:22 |
+perlDreamer | ah | 20:22 |
+perlDreamer | you can put them in the media folder | 20:22 |
+perlDreamer | or you can put them in the home folder and hide them | 20:22 |
+perlDreamer | since the URLs in WebGUI aren't tied to hierarchy, you could put them anywhere | 20:23 |
carogray | good that's what I thought | 20:23 |
+perlDreamer | you should check out the design forum, where others have done this | 20:23 |
+perlDreamer | there is also a slideshow SWF built into WebGUI now | 20:23 |
+perlDreamer | called the UKPlayer (Since the nice folks at United Knowledge built it for WebGUI) | 20:24 |
carogray | I saw the slideshow thing but this flash also plays mp3 | 20:24 |
+perlDreamer | oh, nice | 20:24 |
carogray | Ok I am going to try it now, but I think I have some questions about there are also some js scripts as well... will try design forum, but may have to come back here again. | 20:24 |
carogray | one more quesiton... | 20:25 |
carogray | I was thinking to copy xml file into a snippet and save that way rather than uploading... does this make sense? | 20:25 |
+perlDreamer | oh yeah | 20:25 |
+perlDreamer | be sure to set the mime type on the snippet to xml | 20:25 |
carogray | great thanks - I am sure I will be back.. yes that caught me out once before, thanks for the reminder. | 20:25 |
carogray | Oh yes one more question... | 20:26 |
+perlDreamer | once you get it all figured out, it would be great to have a wiki page about this | 20:26 |
+perlDreamer | if you have the time to document how you did it, that is | 20:26 |
carogray | I have the album in the media folder... | 20:26 |
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carogray | Can I upload all of the images with file pile and then go back and change their URLs one by one or should I upload them image by image, in the past we have had some confusion with uploading files, we are still on WG v. 7.6.15 or 22 now I think | 20:27 |
carogray | 7.6.15 | 20:27 |
+perlDreamer | do you have shell access to the sever? | 20:27 |
+cap10morgan | perlDreamer: what was the resolution to the http/https url caching bug? | 20:28 |
carogray | and yes I will definitely do a wiki if I can get it to work, the reason I never finished the tell a friend wiki is cause it still isn't working the way I want it to | 20:28 |
+cap10morgan | i was out of town when you requested more info, sorry | 20:28 |
+perlDreamer | carogray, if you do, in the sbin directory there is a script that will upload lots of files at once for you | 20:29 |
+perlDreamer | otherwise, FilePile is the way to go | 20:29 |
carogray | I have shell access to server, but don't understand it well enough to use it, so I will stick with WebGUI's easy way.. oh good file pile is easier than image upload thanks again PD | 20:29 |
+perlDreamer | cap10morgan, I took your suggestion and split the cache into SSL and nonSSL | 20:29 |
+cap10morgan | oh ok, cool | 20:29 |
+perlDreamer | it turns out that the caching extended way beyond CDN, into things like Navigation | 20:30 |
+perlDreamer | so it was easy enough to test without any Amazon setups | 20:30 |
+cap10morgan | gotcha | 20:30 |
+perlDreamer | do you want a svn rev in case you want to manually backport it? | 20:30 |
+perlDreamer | actually, I think I put that in the bug report when i resolved it | 20:31 |
+cap10morgan | nah, i'm upgrading our ec2 servers to 7.7.18 today | 20:31 |
+perlDreamer | all right! | 20:32 |
+cap10morgan | sweeeeet, colloquy update. brb (w/ more awesome) | 20:35 |
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carogray | OK me again - in the xml file it points to the images in the myalbum folder as | 20:38 |
carogray | image1="myalbum_files/nancy_at_golf_tournament_2_s.jpg" | 20:38 |
carogray | do I need to make that image1="^/(myalbum_files/nancy_at_golf_tournament_2_s.jpg);" | 20:39 |
+perlDreamer | to process macros, you'll need to set the macro to be a template | 20:42 |
+perlDreamer | and then you'll need to find out how the SWF file handles relative URLs | 20:42 |
carogray | cannot see swf file i.e. open it and look at what it does so if xml file is looking for path relative to itself perhaps I don't need the WG ^macro at all? | 20:44 |
carogray | maybe? | 20:44 |
+perlDreamer | it's good style to always use it, but if you gatewayURL is set to / in the config file it will be fine | 20:44 |
carogray | uhh.. | 20:44 |
+perlDreamer | ^/; is the gateway macro | 20:45 |
carogray | so if I use it normally for links inside the website I should use it here? | 20:45 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 20:45 |
carogray | okey doke | 20:45 |
@bopbop | perlDreamer: bug number #10792... do you remember it? multiples of events being pulled in from old wg.org calendar feed? | 20:47 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 20:47 |
@bopbop | well, now I have the opposite problem | 20:47 |
@bopbop | no events are displaying from the feed | 20:48 |
@bopbop | I created a demo to test it | 20:48 |
+perlDreamer | what's the URL? | 20:48 |
@bopbop | and if I run the hourly maintenance workflow, it still doesn't work | 20:48 |
@bopbop | http://beta.webgui.org/demo1251309201_768/home | 20:48 |
@bopbop | and on my test site | 20:48 |
@bopbop | betatraining | 20:48 |
+perlDreamer | okay | 20:48 |
+perlDreamer | I'll finish up this current bug, then have a look at it | 20:49 |
@bopbop | even after running the hourly maintenance workflow it says the feed was never updated | 20:49 |
@bopbop | ok-thx | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | how long did you wait before checking the feed? | 20:49 |
@bopbop | oh, no it is updated, but the events still don't show | 20:49 |
carogray | perDreamer - when you get a chance, am I ticking the Yes radio button next to Process as template? since I am using the "Gateway Macro"O:-) or since it is already set up in the config file I do not have to, should not process as template? | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | carogray, I was wrong earlier. Macros are always processed in snippets | 20:51 |
carogray | ...I do not tick Yes radio button? | 20:51 |
+perlDreamer | no | 20:51 |
carogray | I didn't - that's right, yes? | 20:52 |
+perlDreamer | for processing macros, that is right | 20:52 |
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carogray | ok | 20:59 |
carogray | not working - just blank will now go to designer forum | 20:59 |
carogray | designer forum - supposed to be in WebGUI.org/forums website now? | 21:01 |
carogray | can only see Etcetera and Deutsche Benutzergruppe | 21:02 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/design/forum | 21:02 |
carogray | k thanks | 21:02 |
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seriftron | is anyone aware of an issue with the "Commit With Approval" workflow? it's suspended on one of our sites & causing the wkflows for all of our other sites to get stuck in "waiting" mode. we're running 7.6.25-stable. | 21:24 |
seriftron | i'm not getting any errors, only the status "Waiting 3600" | 21:24 |
@preaction | it's waiting for someone to approve it | 21:24 |
seriftron | is it supposed to back up the workflows for all of my other sites? | 21:25 |
@preaction | it's not backing them up, "waiting" is a common mode | 21:25 |
@preaction | what is the real problem you're having? | 21:25 |
seriftron | the "get cs mail" workflow on one of our sites was having an error which caused other workflows to get backed up (so mail wasn't being sent out, etc)...i temporarily fixed that by disabling it. i was wondering if this "commit with approval" workflow was doing the same thing because i happened to check spectre status. | 21:28 |
seriftron | we've just had ongoing workflow issues on this server | 21:28 |
seriftron | so should i only be concerned about the spectre status if it's suspended and status is error? | 21:28 |
@preaction | depends, it could be you're re-running suspended/waiting workflows too quickly to allow new workflows to run | 21:29 |
@preaction | there's a configuration value in the spectre.conf for that | 21:29 |
seriftron | i see that, thanks | 21:30 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r39550d3 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Poll.pm): | 21:52 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Prevent the generateGraph yesNo from being generated twice in the editForm. | 21:52 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Fixes bug #10829. - http://bit.ly/ZTRJy | 21:52 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbfd25d6 / (3 files in 3 dirs): i18n the Graphing tab title in the Poll. Fixes #10831. - http://bit.ly/3xUWlF | 21:52 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.6 * r38b4fe1 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Backport Poll edit form and i18n fixes. - http://bit.ly/WZKCf | 21:52 |
+perlDreamer | that's the first batch of Poll bug fixes, bopbop | 21:52 |
+perlDreamer | I assigned the Pie chart problem to Martink, but he's on vacation currently | 21:52 |
@bopbop | ok, thx perlDreamer | 21:57 |
+perlDreamer | bopbop: I see events on that beta demo calendar | 21:57 |
+perlDreamer | maybe it just needed a bit to run? | 21:57 |
@bopbop | hang on, let me look again | 21:57 |
* perlDreamer has to feed the hungry herd, I'll be back in 20-30 | 21:58 | |
@bopbop | http://beta.webgui.org/demo1251309201_768/home?op=switchOffAdmin | 21:58 |
@bopbop | those events weren't there when I first landed at the site | 21:58 |
@bopbop | I see them now | 21:58 |
@bopbop | on my beta demo I made today there still aren't any events | 21:58 |
@bopbop | oh, and one more thing: the events you're seeing on my betatraining site are events from the old feed... I entered the feed from the new wg.org calendar, and that's the one that's not working | 22:01 |
SquOnk | Aw shoot... | 22:04 |
SquOnk | ...customer blew up the style and made the login box part of a big <a> that goes elsewhere... | 22:04 |
SquOnk | lol | 22:04 |
carogray | back again - got it to work - of course it was a missed path name oversight too panicked to see thing | 22:17 |
carogray | only thing now is - trying to upload mp3 file to album in media folder - can we do it? it's 3686 KB - plainblack server? | 22:18 |
+perlDreamer | bopbop, what's the URL for the new beta demo that you made today? | 22:24 |
+perlDreamer | and on betatraining, is there a particular event that you're looking for? | 22:25 |
@bopbop | new betademo: http://beta.webgui.org/demo1251309201_768/ | 22:26 |
@bopbop | I'm just pulling in events from wg.org's calendar | 22:26 |
@bopbop | so, a number of events should show up | 22:27 |
+perlDreamer | and you don't see any events there? | 22:27 |
@bopbop | perhaps I'm doing the feed wrong | 22:27 |
@bopbop | no | 22:27 |
+perlDreamer | I do | 22:27 |
+perlDreamer | maybe you're having browser caching problems? | 22:27 |
@bopbop | I'll clear it | 22:28 |
@bopbop | still none | 22:28 |
@bopbop | cleared browser and wg cache | 22:28 |
+perlDreamer | Are you looking at August, or September? | 22:28 |
@bopbop | Aug | 22:29 |
+perlDreamer | ah | 22:29 |
+perlDreamer | How does September look? | 22:29 |
@bopbop | sept I see stuff | 22:29 |
@bopbop | why not in Aug? | 22:29 |
@bopbop | bc the events are before today? | 22:29 |
+perlDreamer | The calendar was created today, and by default, the iCal feed pulls events from "now" out to 3 months (the default iCal interval in the Calendar) | 22:30 |
@bopbop | does the feed only pull stuff in after the current date? | 22:30 |
+perlDreamer | yup, that's it exactly | 22:30 |
@bopbop | ok, didn't know that before | 22:30 |
+perlDreamer | me, either :) | 22:30 |
+perlDreamer | so, that explains beta demo | 22:30 |
+perlDreamer | what about betatraining? | 22:30 |
+perlDreamer | what are you looking for that you aren't seeing there? | 22:31 |
+perlDreamer | I found the calendar with the duplicated feeds | 22:31 |
@bopbop | well, for some reason when I first arrived at betatraining today there weren't any events showing at all | 22:32 |
@bopbop | but if they're there now, that's fine then | 22:32 |
@bopbop | but that's what made me look at a new demo in the first place, and then bug you | 22:33 |
@bopbop | :) | 22:33 |
+perlDreamer | that is odd | 22:33 |
@bopbop | yeah | 22:33 |
+perlDreamer | and it's fine to bug me, I'm on the clock ;) | 22:33 |
@bopbop | k | 22:33 |
@preaction | you'll be pleased to note that i almost have a resizable, syntax-highlighting text editor ready to go | 22:33 |
SquOnk | I have some interesting behaviour. 7.6.35 | 22:33 |
+perlDreamer | I'll have a peek at the log file for your site and see if there's anything signifcant in there | 22:33 |
SquOnk | I have a CS (blog) with accented stuff in the subject... | 22:34 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: w00t! | 22:34 |
SquOnk | ...and it shows up fine. | 22:34 |
@Haarg | one thing i've been meaning to check is how browser caching works with the calendar | 22:34 |
SquOnk | I have RSS enabled. | 22:34 |
@Haarg | i did a which check through the code and didn't see any way it avoids caching | 22:34 |
@Haarg | *quick | 22:34 |
SquOnk | The Syndicated Content object referring to said blog, doesn't show the accented characters. | 22:34 |
@Haarg | how did that happen i suck at typing | 22:34 |
+perlDreamer | SquOnk, if you can duplicate that on 7.7, it's a bug | 22:35 |
@Haarg | link to feed? | 22:35 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: you're awesome | 22:35 |
SquOnk | Sadly, the site is not available outside the private network. | 22:35 |
+perlDreamer | SquOnk, export the assets as packages and put them into a demo site | 22:35 |
SquOnk | Subject of the Blog post is "áreas agrícola e industrial " | 22:36 |
@Haarg | would you be able to save the feed as a static file and upload it somewhere? | 22:36 |
SquOnk | The Syndicated Content has "áreas agrÃcola e industrial" | 22:36 |
SquOnk | The actual RSS feed is perfect. | 22:36 |
+perlDreamer | this is brilliant: http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=800958 | 22:37 |
elnino | PB: is the wuc 2008 site online in archive somewhere? I need to access some information about it. | 22:38 |
@bopbop | 9375 | 22:39 |
@bopbop | looks like that bug number SquOnk | 22:39 |
@bopbop | elnino: not really... it's versioned... what did you need? | 22:39 |
+perlDreamer | SquOnk, what version of XML::FeedPP are you using? | 22:40 |
SquOnk | Let me check | 22:42 |
SquOnk | bopbop, perlDreamer: Thanks, that was it. | 22:44 |
carogray | EEK! uploaded mp3, it seems to have changed the name of my folder to the name of the mp3 file and in asset manager cannot find mp3, is this weird? | 22:50 |
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+perlDreamer | apparently, we've had a small accident here involving 1 child, 2 sandals, and a pile of dog poo | 22:57 |
+perlDreamer | No one was injured, the contamination has been contained | 22:57 |
+perlDreamer | there is no cause for alarm | 22:57 |
+perlDreamer | be back in a while | 22:57 |
carogray | would small child feel better to learn that old lady built duck house to contain ducks who cannot seem to help themselves from sleeping and pooing on porch thence old lady steps in wet smelly gooey mess on regular basis at 5:30am every morning rushing out the door on her way to work - photos promised to console small chile | 23:00 |
carogray | child | 23:00 |
carogray | never mind about mp3 - perhaps it was our connection here? tried 3 times with IE gave up and tried FF just for the heck and guess what - why would that be? | 23:05 |
+perlDreamer | the small child is no longer worried about dog poo and sandals. The Thunderbirds have arrived | 23:17 |
+perlDreamer | we live 1 mile south of Hillsboro Airport, which hosts the Washington County Airshow each year | 23:23 |
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+perlDreamer | netsplit! | 23:36 |
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@preaction | anyone want to do me a solid? it'll take 5 minutes, i swear | 23:40 |
+BartJol | am I good enough? | 23:40 |
@preaction | git clone git://github.com/preaction/yui-code-editor.git # and then open "index.html" in your favorite browser | 23:41 |
+BartJol | not sure what a solid is though | 23:41 |
@preaction | "solid" == "favor" | 23:41 |
+BartJol | ah | 23:41 |
+BartJol | I haven't installed git yet | 23:41 |
+perlDreamer | got a logger console | 23:42 |
@preaction | yeah, try the text editor area thing | 23:42 |
@preaction | there should be two of them, one of them has a status bar on the bottom and that has a resize handle in it | 23:42 |
@preaction | the only thing missing now is a plugin point for syntax highlighting, but this could theoretically go into the core and close any problems we're having with the current EditArea | 23:43 |
+perlDreamer | FF 3.0.10 on FC10: resize works, status works, syntax highlighting of HTML works (tried very simple example) | 23:44 |
@preaction | sweeet | 23:44 |
+perlDreamer | do you want me to try the rest of the browsers? | 23:44 |
@preaction | if you want, but i've got open IE versions | 23:44 |
@preaction | just wanted an opinion, see if i'm going in the right direction | 23:45 |
@preaction | works much nicer than the current one we got then? | 23:45 |
+perlDreamer | I've got an opera I'll try | 23:45 |
+perlDreamer | yes! | 23:45 |
+perlDreamer | well, tabb's bug is intermittent | 23:45 |
@preaction | which is the worst kind of bug :p | 23:46 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 23:46 |
+perlDreamer | is it supposed to recognize tags, or just highlight anything inside angle brackets? | 23:46 |
@preaction | it highlights anything inside angle brackets at the moment | 23:46 |
@preaction | the syntax highlighting is stupid, i'm gonna make it smart(er) | 23:47 |
@preaction | the whole thing is only 200 lines of code (not including the yahoo editor it's subclassed from) | 23:47 |
+perlDreamer | opera is very bad | 23:48 |
@preaction | figures. i'll pull out my copy and see what i can do with it | 23:48 |
+perlDreamer | no newlines | 23:48 |
+perlDreamer | funny selecting | 23:48 |
+perlDreamer | no indent | 23:48 |
+perlDreamer | which is odd, since I've never had any editor problems with Opera so far | 23:49 |
@Haarg | preaction, what stuff have you added to the base example? | 23:50 |
+BartJol | mmm, can't we include vim as standard WebGUI editor instead of that tinymce | 23:51 |
@preaction | a status bar, which enables resizing | 23:51 |
@preaction | i cleaned up the code to be a proper subclass of the yui rich editor | 23:51 |
@preaction | that's about it, next is the syntax highlighting | 23:51 |
@Haarg | selecting with the keyboard doesn't seem to work | 23:52 |
@preaction | works in safari, so that's something to check out then | 23:52 |
@Haarg | it works to start with but then resets | 23:53 |
@preaction | probably something i did | 23:53 |
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@Haarg | the two main features that would annoy me about this one (as is) are that it doesn't let you see where the last line of your content is and it doesn't continue your indent level. | 23:57 |
@Haarg | the end of content thing is probably not a real problem though | 23:57 |
+perlDreamer | it needs :set autoindent as a default? | 23:57 |
jdanpl | Hi everybody. I need help from real WebGUI guru. One of my service has been affected that httpd process utilize 100% cpu and memory | 23:57 |
+perlDreamer | jdanpl, check your webgui.log file for hints | 23:58 |
jdanpl | There are not any information in logs | 23:58 |
jdanpl | It't way I am prostrate | 23:59 |
jdanpl | I seperated this site on develope server | 23:59 |
@Haarg | i think it does perlDreamer. smarter automatic indenting would be cool to add at some point but that would be a future item. | 23:59 |
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jdanpl | But every start quickly finish server deaths | 00:00 |
+BartJol | any custom stuff? | 00:01 |
jdanpl | I can send complete archive. SQL data and files | 00:01 |
@preaction | Haarg: so autoindent and expandtab are on the todo list | 00:01 |
+BartJol | jdanpl: it's a bit too late for me to start with that now | 00:02 |
+BartJol | sorry | 00:02 |
@Haarg | expandtab? isn't it already doing that? | 00:02 |
@preaction | no | 00:02 |
@Haarg | tab inserts spaces for me | 00:02 |
jdanpl | BartJol: I can pay of course for investigation | 00:02 |
@preaction | that's weird | 00:02 |
+BartJol | that would be for tomorrow | 00:03 |
+BartJol | we can try to look at it | 00:03 |
+BartJol | but maybe we can work this out another way | 00:03 |
jdanpl | Could you tell me email address? I wait | 00:04 |
jdanpl | It's important becouse it's service one my customer. | 00:04 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: it inserted spaces for me, too (according to the logger) | 00:04 |
+BartJol | well, I have half an hour now | 00:04 |
+BartJol | so let's take it slowly | 00:05 |
+BartJol | I have tried atop once to see what apache's doing | 00:05 |
+BartJol | that might be a way | 00:05 |
+BartJol | have you looked at spectre status? | 00:06 |
jdanpl | Spectre is not important becouse I didn't start it | 00:06 |
jdanpl | Server fail after started httpd -modperl | 00:06 |
jdanpl | It's get all memory and power | 00:07 |
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+perlDreamer | I did notice that my lights are dimming | 00:07 |
jdanpl | And werservice --start * wait for finishing modperl start | 00:07 |
+BartJol | ok so no custom stuff, and tried various log levels and looked at all logs | 00:08 |
+BartJol | what versions and os are you running? | 00:08 |
+perlDreamer | jdanpl: are you running custom code on this site? | 00:09 |
@Haarg | also, when did this start happenning? | 00:09 |
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jdanpl | Debian 4.0 and WRE 0.9.3 | 00:09 |
jdanpl | Yes, I have some wobjects and operations. But not in this www-site. It't very pure site. Customer had admin access and yesterday it happend | 00:10 |
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+perlDreamer | is there anything in the apache error log? | 00:11 |
jdanpl | noyhing important | 00:11 |
jdanpl | just warns about and stop | 00:12 |
jdanpl | And of course about unclean shutdown | 00:12 |
jdanpl | When I start modper, process httpd drop in something like loop | 00:13 |
@Haarg | try accessing the site by going to http://www.site.com/?op=auth | 00:14 |
jdanpl | It's no possible becouse modproxy don't make start on time | 00:15 |
@Haarg | does it not start, or does wreservice just tell you it couldn't start? | 00:16 |
@Haarg | check the process list after trying to start it | 00:16 |
jdanpl | when I call `wreservice --start all`, script waits for finishing modperl start | 00:16 |
@Haarg | try wreservice.pl --start modproxy | 00:16 |
jdanpl | But modperl forks and hard waorking | 00:16 |
jdanpl | after starting modprel I have only a few seconds of server works. I must restart it from ILO console | 00:18 |
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+BartJol | jdanpl: normally I'd love to help, but tomorrow and friday I mainly am busy remodelling my house. But I do have faith in the people here to be able to analyse your problems. Not sure at the moment whether someone at ProcoliX can help you tomorrow, but if it all doesn't work out, you can send a mail to beheer@procolix.com | 00:28 |
jdanpl | BartJol: I'll tray return to backup. But I am afraid inincydent can go back. So for me it's important to know what happend | 00:30 |
+BartJol | I understand. did your customer said anything about doing anything out of usual order? | 00:31 |
+BartJol | which normally shpould not interfere with httpd processes | 00:32 |
jdanpl | He learned using WebGUI 7. I don't know enything else | 00:33 |
+BartJol | can you enter mysql and see the general settings? maybe he messed up something in there (this is looking for far fetched stuff) | 00:34 |
jdanpl | mysql works downright efficiently. It's server 10 seperate sites | 00:37 |
+BartJol | well, but modperl works with settings from that db | 00:37 |
jdanpl | and i migrate failed database on second server. the same behaviour | 00:38 |
jdanpl | modperl works if I hide config of damaged site | 00:39 |
+BartJol | thta's why I ask for that settings table | 00:43 |
jdanpl | So I don't understand about what settings you ask | 00:44 |
+BartJol | ok, log in to the mysql db with the site settings and look at the settings table | 00:45 |
+BartJol | mysql -uuserfromconfig -ppwddromconfig databasename | 00:46 |
+BartJol | you do know a bit mysql, do you? | 00:48 |
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jdanpl | Yes, I know SQL syntax and MySQL managing | 00:51 |
+BartJol | so, strange stuff in that table? | 00:51 |
@Haarg | it seems most likely that there is a problem with the content on the front page. | 00:52 |
+perlDreamer | if it's a content problem, then why does it hang on startup? | 00:54 |
+BartJol | I was thinking false ldap reference | 00:54 |
@preaction | because wreservice.pl tries to hit the server to see if it's up | 00:54 |
+BartJol | ah | 00:55 |
jdanpl | Exactly. I also thought about content of first page | 00:55 |
jdanpl | Yes. I understend | 00:55 |
+BartJol | is it an idea to change homepage via mysql | 00:55 |
jdanpl | Problem occured after night cron restart | 00:56 |
+BartJol | it is an idea, but is it a good one? | 00:56 |
jdanpl | so, wreconsole --restart all faild | 00:56 |
+BartJol | but I've gotta get up in 7 hours, so good luck, I'll hear later what happened | 00:57 |
@Haarg | one option is to try starting the server without using wreservice.pl, then going to www.site.com/?op=auth | 00:57 |
jdanpl | I will check in dump file | 00:57 |
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jdanpl | Haarg: I stared modperl and modproxy without ping from WRE::modules. Next I open http://temp/?op=auth. When I entered admin acount and send data modperl process goes to loop | 01:16 |
jdanpl | It's evidently problem with content on first page | 01:17 |
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+perlDreamer | SDuensin: ping | 01:19 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r22d4621 / (5 files in 5 dirs): | 01:22 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Move Calendar feeds into the Calendar Asset table as JSON collateral. | 01:22 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Update tests and workflows to follow. - http://bit.ly/48etTG | 01:22 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, i was thinking of making changes to wgdev to make it safer to put on a server. was was thinking of adding a safe mode flag of some sort that would disable the auto-detection of site configs, but now i'm thinking of just removing the auto-detection to make it safe by default and you add the config or env param to specify a site if you want it to be simple. | 01:24 |
@Haarg | then i should probably have the webgui root autodetection try /data/WebGUI if the parent checks fail | 01:25 |
@preaction | perhaps only autodetect if there is one site? | 01:25 |
@Haarg | that's what it does now | 01:25 |
jdanpl | Eureka! I entered to op=assetManage and displayed from roots. Teher is no "Home" branch. Customer probably deleted evrythink from home page. | 01:25 |
@preaction | that's fine with me, really | 01:25 |
@Haarg | but that's still somewhat dangerous for a single site server | 01:25 |
@preaction | why? if you're using wgd you're expecting it to work on the one site you have, no? | 01:26 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: I always have WEBGUI_CONFIG set, so I won't miss autodetect, and if removing it means I can use it for maintenance and repair of server, all the better | 01:26 |
* perlDreamer can type --conf=something.conf pretty fast | 01:26 | |
@preaction | at any rate, if there is a site specified, it should be as little as possible. --conf=something.com or even just --conf=something if it narrows it down to one site | 01:27 |
@Haarg | -Fsomething.com will work for something.com.conf | 01:27 |
@Haarg | i'm planning on adding -Swww.site.com for sitename | 01:28 |
+perlDreamer | so it would walk the configs and find the right one, based on sitename? | 01:28 |
@Haarg | yes | 01:29 |
@Haarg | i have it working but i still need to have it properly resolve conflicts if both a sitename and config file are specified | 01:29 |
+perlDreamer | today's is Kathy's last final this term. We're meeting her downtown for dinner | 01:39 |
@Haarg | nice | 01:39 |
+perlDreamer | one down, 10 to go | 01:40 |
+perlDreamer | I'll stay on and backlog as needed | 01:40 |
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SDuensin | perlDreamer - delayed pong | 01:54 |
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ekennedy | I'm looking for a new dedicated hosting service for a linux machine. Are there any providers in the US that you have been particularly satisfied with? | 04:54 |
SDuensin | I use 1and1. Some hate them, but they're cheap and I've had no problems. | 05:29 |
daviddelikat | SDuensin: what service do you use there? | 05:41 |
SDuensin | They changed the name. Lemme look it up. | 05:45 |
SDuensin | It's the "1&1 Dedicated Server Dual-Core Linux". | 05:46 |
SDuensin | I prefer Ubuntu to CentOS/Fedora and used their old Debian image to install it. Went smooth. | 05:46 |
SDuensin | (And if it doesn't, you can access the box's serial console, which is nice!) | 05:46 |
SDuensin | Or you can just host your WebGUI with me. Hint, hint, nudge, nudge. :-P | 05:47 |
ekennedy | Thanks I was looking at them and was put off by the negative comments on some of the boards. How is there network speed? | 05:47 |
SDuensin | Faster than mine, so I'm happy. :-) | 05:47 |
SDuensin | I just did an rsync from them to me: sent 786.45M bytes received 629.92K bytes 1.75M bytes/sec | 05:47 |
SDuensin | I'm probably the limiting factor in that. | 05:48 |
ekennedy | Did you have them install Ubuntu 8.04? I think that is currently an option. | 05:48 |
SDuensin | I don't remember what I started with. I've had the box awhile. I thought it was Debian something or other. | 05:48 |
SDuensin | I have Ubuntu 9.04 on it now. | 05:48 |
ekennedy | Do you remember the specs of your machine? | 05:49 |
SDuensin | Not offhand. | 05:50 |
SDuensin | I had a "Dedicated Business Server" before. This one is better. | 05:50 |
ekennedy | Thanks for your input. Maybe I'll give them a try. They certainly seem to provide a good value. | 05:50 |
SDuensin | Like I said, they're cheap. Like a third of anyone else I looked at. | 05:51 |
ekennedy | Thanks again SDuensin. I've got to run. Goodnight. | 05:52 |
SDuensin | YW | 05:53 |
SDuensin | Night. | 05:53 |
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wgGuest92 | hello | 06:09 |
wgGuest92 | is preaction on tonight | 06:13 |
@preaction | that depends on what your question is | 06:13 |
wgGuest92 | lol | 06:13 |
wgGuest92 | i installed postfix and it works on my server but iv gone thru hours of settings and can not get get contact forms to work | 06:15 |
SDuensin | Mail servers are a mofo. | 06:15 |
wgGuest92 | all my sites work but that part i cant get to send from the form | 06:16 |
wgGuest92 | sendmail was the same way | 06:17 |
@preaction | is spectre running? | 06:17 |
wgGuest92 | yes | 06:17 |
@preaction | can it connect to webgui? can webgui connect to it? | 06:17 |
wgGuest92 | yes as far as I can tell | 06:18 |
@preaction | cd /data/WebGUI/sbin; perl spectre.pl --test | 06:18 |
@preaction | is there mail in the mailQueue table for your site? SELECT COUNT(*) FROM mailQueue; | 06:19 |
wgGuest92 | im not on the server know but if there is mail in mailqueue is that a good sign things are working in webgui | 06:22 |
wgGuest92 | if not is that a problem | 06:23 |
@preaction | ok, seriously, i can't help you if you can't do what i suggest | 06:24 |
wgGuest92 | im so sorry, i worked on it all day and know im home, the books or forums have been no help | 06:26 |
wgGuest92 | i will do what you say and i thankyou for what u have done so far | 06:26 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, I tried importing your package, and it worked fine in 7.7, and in 7.6.35 on a demo site. | 06:28 |
wgGuest92 | what i wanted to ask you was in postfix if i needed to do more than basic settings or was there relay settings and such | 06:28 |
SDuensin | Thanks, perlDreamer - I replied to the bug ticket. | 06:29 |
+perlDreamer | nothing in the log files? | 06:29 |
SDuensin | nope | 06:29 |
SDuensin | A SQL error, but not on that site. | 06:29 |
+perlDreamer | hm, maybe I could find a developer, somewhere, with MacOS X to try it | 06:30 |
SDuensin | my server is linux | 06:30 |
+perlDreamer | which one? | 06:30 |
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SDuensin | all of em | 06:31 |
+perlDreamer | which linux, Mr Smarty-Bits? | 06:31 |
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SDuensin | oh - i thought you meant which server | 06:32 |
SDuensin | ubuntu server 9.04 | 06:32 |
SDuensin | 32 bit | 06:32 |
+perlDreamer | you willing to try it again for me, with some directives? | 06:32 |
SDuensin | later, yea - got a baby on my lap at the moment | 06:33 |
+perlDreamer | priorities... | 06:33 |
SDuensin | little dude will NOT go to sleep | 06:35 |
+perlDreamer | have you tried singing to him? | 06:35 |
SDuensin | he just look up at me when i try and lay him down | 06:35 |
+perlDreamer | see, that's yer problem right there | 06:38 |
+perlDreamer | when he does that | 06:38 |
+perlDreamer | that's when you sucker punch him! | 06:38 |
SDuensin | he's three months old! :-P | 06:38 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, he'll sleep for hours | 06:39 |
SDuensin | I have some long island here. | 06:39 |
+perlDreamer | that's only good for teething babies | 06:39 |
SDuensin | he's teething! | 06:40 |
SDuensin | and it helps me sleep | 06:40 |
+perlDreamer | then just rub a little bit on his gums | 06:40 |
+perlDreamer | it's better than the gel stuff with novacaine in it, because that makes their gums tougher and prolongs the teething process | 06:40 |
SDuensin | thats interesting | 06:42 |
SDuensin | so far, he's only had tylenol | 06:42 |
+perlDreamer | and, unlike punching, it actually works | 06:42 |
SDuensin | hehehe | 06:42 |
+perlDreamer | but like I said, just a little, on the gums | 06:42 |
SDuensin | Can't put it in his bottle, eh? :-) | 06:44 |
+perlDreamer | no, you don't want him to drink it | 06:44 |
SDuensin | True. Less for me. | 06:51 |
SDuensin | And now "me" is gonna take his drink and watch a movie before bed. If I code until I hit the pillow, I have really bizarre dreams... | 06:52 |
SDuensin | Like this morning, I was trying to work out what port my kid's pacifier was on. Not good. :-) | 06:52 |
SDuensin | Never did figure it out. Just knew it was something well-known and should probably be changed. | 06:53 |
+perlDreamer | oh, that's the USB port | 06:53 |
+perlDreamer | Universal Sleeping Baby | 06:54 |
SDuensin | No man, my kid was TCP/IP! | 06:54 |
+perlDreamer | eh, he'll be bit-bashing RS232 in no time | 06:54 |
SDuensin | I was trying to open up SmoothWall for him. | 06:54 |
+perlDreamer | maybe he nuked your package....? | 06:58 |
SDuensin | ok, one kid doesn't know what "go to bed" means. | 06:58 |
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+perlDreamer | she had a hard day today | 07:03 |
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+perlmonkey2 | Had an earthquake last night. 3.4M. Didn't realize how loud those things are. | 17:47 |
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+perlDreamer | everything okay, perlmonkey2? | 17:50 |
+perlDreamer | house, barn, servers? | 17:50 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: Yep, no damage reported. It was about 8 miles away and right next to a small city and nothing damaged there. Just louder than the loudest thunder I've ever heard and I've had strikes within 100 meters. | 17:51 |
+perlmonkey2 | not like a rumble either, just a loud bang. | 17:52 |
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+perlmonkey2 | If I could get this to work the last survey bug would be finished: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d14cd77be | 18:04 |
+perlmonkey2 | So simple yet so doesn't work. | 18:04 |
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+perlDreamer | can you do the same thing a different way? | 18:23 |
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+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: like destroy the dom el a different way and recreate it another way? | 18:25 |
+perlmonkey2 | I don't know why the buttons have to be destroyed anyways. | 18:26 |
+perlmonkey2 | I think this all started with a small memory leak from just destroying the survey object overview containers. | 18:27 |
+perlmonkey2 | The click handlers weren't being properly destroyed, even with direct calls to destroy them, so destroy all on the top level container was used, which also got the buttons. | 18:27 |
+perlmonkey2 | So the buttons have to be recreated now. | 18:28 |
+perlmonkey2 | giving us this mess :D | 18:28 |
mducharme-work | hrm | 18:33 |
mducharme-work | what does it mean when an RFE is "approved" | 18:33 |
mducharme-work | and what do the difficulty numbers represent | 18:33 |
+perlmonkey2 | mducharme-work: an RFE is approved when it can go into production. And the difficulty numbers determine the karma modifier to raise its score. The higher its score, the higher its priority. | 18:36 |
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@Haarg | when we aren't in feature freeze, the plainblack staff does rfe days once a month where we all work on the top rfes in the list. | 18:38 |
@Haarg | but once an rfe is approved, anyone is allowed to implement the feature | 18:38 |
+perlmonkey2 | Why is it impossible to find the yui docs on the destroy method? | 18:39 |
daviddelikat | cuz theres no sent to the YUI docs | 18:40 |
daviddelikat | s/sent/sense/ | 18:40 |
daviddelikat | I can never fins what i want | 18:40 |
daviddelikat | i can never type what i want either | 18:40 |
@Haarg | destroy method on what object? | 18:40 |
daviddelikat | you might need to look at core javascript docs to find what you want | 18:42 |
@Haarg | there is no destroy method on core javascript objects | 18:43 |
daviddelikat | usually after I waste 1/2/ hour looking at YUI I go to google and find what i want | 18:43 |
daviddelikat | ok | 18:43 |
@Haarg | i haven't had many problems with the yui docs really. | 18:44 |
@Haarg | the destroy method on buttons for example: http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/docs/YAHOO.widget.Button.html#method_destroy | 18:44 |
daviddelikat | I find the YUI search is not helpful and the organization leaves out critical things | 18:45 |
daviddelikat | if I google I get what I want | 18:45 |
daviddelikat | the content is quite thorough, just the connections are lacking | 18:45 |
+perlmonkey2 | Haarg: right, but widgets should share one. I found it, but it looks like every widget has its own definition. | 18:46 |
@Haarg | i guess it makes it's easier to find the docs if you don't make assumptions about their implementation | 18:48 |
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+perlDreamer | Hey, dionak! | 19:05 |
dionak | hey perlDreamer. | 19:06 |
dionak | Missed the community so I thought I'd log on and see what's happening. | 19:06 |
dionak | Looking forward to the WUC | 19:06 |
+perlDreamer | Me, too. Not long to wait, though. 2 weeks | 19:06 |
dionak | not long at all! haha. still working on wrapping up presentations. | 19:07 |
+perlmonkey2 | I give up, whatever it is that is causing IE6/7 to not like it when a button is destroyed and recreated is inconsolable. It is angry at the world and will take no change in code as recompense. | 19:08 |
dionak | i'm also looking forward to hearing about the story mgr | 19:08 |
dionak | sure it's not a caching issue? those browsers are notorious for that. | 19:09 |
+perlDreamer | I'm looking forward to seeing the presentation on the story manager myself | 19:10 |
+perlDreamer | especially before the submission deadline :/ | 19:10 |
dionak | :) | 19:10 |
dionak | i can relate | 19:11 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Martin Kamerbeek master * r106d321 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Image/Graph/Pie.pm): Fixed Poll: Pie Chart broken (#10830) - http://bit.ly/3deKGn | 19:22 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Martin Kamerbeek webgui-7.6 * rba4dd82 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Image/Graph/Pie.pm): Merge fix for Poll: Pie Chart broken (#10830) - http://bit.ly/2cwAlx | 19:32 |
+perlmonkey2 | I FIXED IT! | 19:34 |
+perlmonkey2 | daz right | 19:34 |
+perlmonkey2 | whos' da man? | 19:34 |
+perlmonkey2 | I am! | 19:34 |
+perlmonkey2 | Off to lunch then submit patch and drive a piece of rusty rebar through the heart of this bug FOREVER! | 19:35 |
+perlDreamer | way to go, perlmonkey2 | 19:36 |
+perlDreamer | of course, now I have to explain to those ex-KGB hit squads that their contract is canceled | 19:37 |
+perlmonkey2 | Hah, so I am getting paid for this bug fix, just not in cash. I'll take it. | 19:37 |
+perlDreamer | this is very odd | 19:38 |
+perlDreamer | I went to a website, and turned on debug | 19:38 |
+perlDreamer | and it got faster | 19:38 |
+perlmonkey2 | Sounds like my life. | 19:38 |
daviddelikat | where is the config for outgoing mail in WG? | 19:39 |
+perlDreamer | in Settings | 19:40 |
daviddelikat | which tab? | 19:40 |
daviddelikat | doesn't there need more than just a server name? | 19:40 |
daviddelikat | or do I need to configure sendmail in linux? | 19:41 |
+perlDreamer | we don't do authenticated SMTP,if that's what you're asking | 19:41 |
daviddelikat | well, I guess now would be a good time to setup my internal email virtual machine... | 19:42 |
daviddelikat | I'm learningn so much about WG by actually setting up a site... | 19:43 |
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+danny_mk | hello everyone, what is the closest airport to the WUC? | 20:54 |
ekennedy | I don't know the answer to the last question but I've got a different one. I'm creating a custom navigation template and could really use to know how deep the page tree is in advance of running through the page loop. I don't see a variable with that information. Is there a way to know the depth in the template? | 20:57 |
@preaction | danny_mk: Madison has an airport, but most likely you'll find flights into either General Mitchell in Milwaukee WI, or O'Hare Intl. | 20:58 |
+danny_mk | Milwaukee WI it is, thank you. | 20:58 |
@preaction | Chicago is about 2 hrs. drive from Madison | 20:58 |
@preaction | Milwaukee is about an hour | 20:58 |
+danny_mk | yup | 20:59 |
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+perlmonkey2 | what would be the best way to check for a memory leak in js? Just seeing how much memory FF is using per reload seems kind of ham fisted. | 21:16 |
+perlmonkey2 | Using gnome-system-monitor I apparently have a negative memory leak. This is great news! | 21:17 |
+perlmonkey2 | Fixed the bug and, if this trend line holds, I'll be adding physical memory to my machine with enough reloads. | 21:17 |
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@Haarg | firefox memory usage is hard to track. it caches pages in the back list for a while. | 21:38 |
+perlmonkey2 | Haarg: I just did a tedious long test with 'ps aux|grep firefox' and about 100 reloads. Memory usage bounced around a few KB, but had a steady max/min. So I called it good :) | 21:39 |
+perlmonkey2 | can't believe that bug is finally fixed. And in a fairly elegant manner. It's been 'bugging' me for half a year. | 21:40 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: you got anything else for me while I'm feeling frisky? If not I'm going to hang metal on the barn. | 21:47 |
+perlDreamer | hmmm | 21:47 |
+perlDreamer | I think you're good to go | 21:47 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Kaleb Murphy master * r2131e9f / www/extras/wobject/Survey/editsurvey.js : Corrected IE6/7 bugs while managing not to reintroduce the mem leak bug. - http://bit.ly/e0a0K | 21:48 |
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@bopbop | preaction: are you there? | 23:44 |
@preaction | yes'm | 23:45 |
@bopbop | that cart issue I emailed you about... | 23:45 |
@bopbop | do you want me to have perlDreamer look at it? or would you like me to post it as a bug? I don't mean to bother you with it if I should be taking it someplace else | 23:45 |
@bopbop | I've been whipping perlDreamer with a wet noodle all day, so he's already geared up and ready | 23:46 |
+perlDreamer | oh, please bother him. I'll do it anyway for help eventually | 23:46 |
@bopbop | ok.... lucky you perlDreamer :) | 23:46 |
@bopbop | I'll be emailing you | 23:46 |
@bopbop | I'm just trying to get it resolved so I can finish that section of shop guide, otherwise I'd let it sit | 23:46 |
@preaction | bopbop: looks like a bug: 2009/08/27 15:54:27 - ERROR - betatraining.plainblack.com.conf - WebGUI::URL::Con | 23:48 |
@preaction | tent::__ANON__[73] - WebGUI::Shop::Cart:226 - Need an amount. | 23:48 |
+perlDreamer | why does that throw an exception for formatting 0? | 23:49 |
@preaction | i don't know | 23:49 |
@bopbop | I had an amount $7000 | 23:54 |
@bopbop | is that what you mean? | 23:54 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r68f3082 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix Ad Asset hover help spelling errors. - http://bit.ly/27a6M4 | 00:52 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r95e979d / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 01:12 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Form/AdSpace should should be a single select form element, not a multiple. | 01:12 |
CIA-53 | webgui: This fixes bug #10835. - http://bit.ly/3nMlEm | 01:12 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: can I give you the gamecrafter bug forum email bug? | 01:13 |
@Haarg | yeah | 01:14 |
@preaction | should be easy, just make sure it came into the right e-mail account | 01:17 |
@Haarg | i have a fix, it will just be rather annoying to test. | 01:20 |
@Haarg | the workflow has no tests yet of course | 01:21 |
@Haarg | i have to head out - hoe much will you hate me if i check it in untested for now? | 01:22 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r19b3447 / (5 files in 5 dirs): | 01:22 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: remove auto-detection of config files | 01:22 |
CIA-53 | wgdev: Also cleans up WGDev::Command tests greatly. - http://bit.ly/hqyVE | 01:22 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rdd89a77 / (4 files in 4 dirs): | 03:22 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Display the minimum number of clicks and impressions that must be | 03:22 |
CIA-53 | webgui: bought by the user, in the buy ad space form. | 03:22 |
CIA-53 | webgui: tidy up code. Fixes bug #10843 - http://bit.ly/gZ7tB | 03:22 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6c9ae74 / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/AdSpace.pm : Leave instructions on how to replace images in an Ad. - http://bit.ly/gIzmP | 06:42 |
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+perlDreamer | I'm calling it a night. | 07:58 |
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kindhornman | Trying to install on openSUSE-11.1 but fails with this message: | 09:43 |
kindhornman | Updating WRE config. Configuring MySQL. Connecting Couldn't connect to remote MySQL server to configure it. Couldn't connect to MySQL because DBI connect('test;host=mylinux;port=3306','mike',...) failed: Can't connect to MySQL server on 'mylinux' (111) at /data/wre/lib/WRE/Mysql.pm line 93 at ./wreconsole.pl line 1261 | 09:43 |
kindhornman | Anyone get past this point in 11.1 ? | 09:44 |
JDan | I haven't have SUSE. But it appear MySQL not stared or you don't have properly set 'mylinux' in /etc/hosts. | 09:49 |
JDan | At first look if MySQL started. `ps ax|grep mysql` | 09:49 |
kindhornman | yes it started. Also fairly certain /etc/hosts is o.k. Hmmmm... | 09:52 |
JDan | Can you connect to MySQL port? `telnet mylinux 3306` | 09:52 |
kindhornman | Connectio refused... But you brought up something that 'may' be pertinent... | 09:54 |
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kindhornman | Why do I get this: | 09:57 |
kindhornman | telnet: connect to address 127.0.0.2: Connection refused | 09:57 |
kindhornman | Seems it should be 127.0.0.1 but it is nearly midnight and the brain is fading... | 09:58 |
JDan | Wow! I don't know. | 09:58 |
JDan | So, check what do you have at /etc/hosts | 09:58 |
kindhornman | I've been seeing this (127.0.0.2) fora while now and don't know when it started showing up but I suspect it was during one of those installs of Glassfish (JAVA EE App server). | 09:59 |
JDan | So, set proper IP and install WRE. | 10:00 |
kindhornman | As I can change the default to 127.0.0.1 I'll try that next. I'll do that tomorrow morning here in L.A.. Thanks for the help and I'll check in again then. | 10:02 |
kindhornman | P.S. First time using irc in 10 + years.. I'll need to start brushing up on my typing skills :-) | 10:04 |
kindhornman | Bye. | 10:04 |
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JDan | Bye | 10:05 |
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SynQ | boeh | 10:53 |
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carogray | bartjol: you there? | 12:35 |
+bartjol | yeah | 12:36 |
+bartjol | carogray: I'm here | 12:36 |
carogray | do a have a coupla minutes? | 12:36 |
+bartjol | yes, but noit very long | 12:37 |
carogray | this is a quick question - solution somewhat longer, so don't worry about solution.. | 12:37 |
+bartjol | ok | 12:38 |
carogray | have you ever uploaded cgi-bin/*.pl file to a WebGUI site? | 12:38 |
+bartjol | no | 12:38 |
carogray | ok that was easy! thanks.. | 12:38 |
+bartjol | I did use one though for my translation server | 12:38 |
carogray | have a good day | 12:39 |
+bartjol | :) | 12:39 |
carogray | you did? | 12:39 |
carogray | would you have any time later today to tell me more? | 12:39 |
carogray | oh translation server is different I guess... never mind | 12:39 |
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+bartjol | well, that is on the server carogray,but I downloaded it somewhere | 12:48 |
+bartjol | but I would have to look up where, I believe I copied it from svn | 12:49 |
carogray | I don't want to take up your time now...do you have a little more time later today when you could explain some more...I don't need a specific file, I have some files I need to move from a non-WebGUI site to our new site on PlainBlack and I am not sure how to do it. | 12:49 |
+bartjol | but is it for download? | 12:53 |
+bartjol | can't you use a file pile for that | 12:53 |
carogray | not sure about it at all... | 12:54 |
+bartjol | well, I will be available some more this afternoon. But a clear goal might help ;) | 12:54 |
carogray | I have about 10 of these ..http://www.livejustice.org/cgi-bin/answer.pl | 12:54 |
carogray | that I need to get to work, if I can on our webgui site... | 12:54 |
carogray | not sure how to do it at all... | 12:55 |
+bartjol | ah, do you need that scrip, or can you use a functionality that does the smae | 12:55 |
carogray | if you don't have time that is fine....just wanted to know if it is even possible, like...*.php files we can't/don't put on WebGUI didn't know about these kinds of files | 12:56 |
carogray | k.. Iknow you are taking precious time this am ... can you let me know later when you have a little more time to explain? If you don't have time that's ok too | 12:56 |
carogray | to answer your question, as long as it looks and works the same no one cares, just want it done, quick and dirty like ;-) | 12:57 |
+bartjol | well, it is executing script, which is hard to run by just uploading | 12:58 |
+bartjol | it mostly looks like a data form | 12:59 |
carogray | yes, but it fills in the form at the bottom... | 13:00 |
+bartjol | ah, that sounds like dynamic stuff | 13:00 |
carogray | didn't realize that when I blithely said, oh yes, no problem we can do that...thinking it was just a data form | 13:00 |
carogray | yeah. | 13:00 |
+bartjol | :) | 13:00 |
+bartjol | mmm, I am thinking more in yui | 13:00 |
+bartjol | but other people have more experience in that | 13:01 |
carogray | that's why I was wondering if there were some way to take the files on the current server and fix paths and then stick em somewhere on our webgui server... | 13:01 |
+bartjol | everything is possible. | 13:01 |
carogray | know anyone who would be willing to help me out with this, or should I go straight to the PB peeps | 13:01 |
carogray | of course there is always the hysterical panicked deadline thing.... | 13:01 |
+bartjol | but if you host at plainblack, you should ask them | 13:02 |
carogray | frankly I would be happy just to make it look like it's working and then get it working after next Monday | 13:02 |
carogray | that's what I thought - PB is probably the best way to go... | 13:02 |
+bartjol | probably they can put that script somewhere on your domain dir | 13:02 |
+bartjol | and make redirect rules for those url's in the apache conf | 13:03 |
carogray | oh man that would be terrific... will try to get in a login request right away.. | 13:03 |
+bartjol | but then the script is totally independent of the webgui site | 13:03 |
carogray | do I care? | 13:04 |
+bartjol | dunno | 13:04 |
carogray | at the minute it is independent.. I think... it comes up in a new window | 13:04 |
+bartjol | but for this implementation you should be at PB | 13:04 |
carogray | the data doesn't need to be, actually should not be kept anywhere, just so people can use the forms | 13:04 |
+bartjol | but if you propose what I did just now to PB, then they have a clear proposal | 13:05 |
+bartjol | they like that | 13:05 |
carogray | right - :) I have already copied what you told me and am about to simply paste it into the login request. | 13:05 |
carogray | thanks for putting it in language I do not understand, but they will that ought to save us a couple of hours | 13:06 |
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KlausH | Hi! The files under WebGUI/www/extras/tinymce-webgui are a special webgui development / add on? | 16:06 |
+MrHairgrease | I think so | 16:06 |
KlausH | So I have to translate them too. | 16:07 |
KlausH | Are there dictionaries for tinymce-webgui/plugins/wgspellchecker/langs ? | 16:07 |
KlausH | even the en.js is empty | 16:07 |
+MrHairgrease | uhm | 16:09 |
+MrHairgrease | I dunno | 16:09 |
+MrHairgrease | but en.js is not empty | 16:09 |
+MrHairgrease | martin@martintwee:/data/WebGUI/www/extras/tinymce-webgui/plugins/wgspellchecker/langs$ cat en.js | 16:10 |
+MrHairgrease | tinyMCE.addI18n('en.spellchecker',{ | 16:10 |
+MrHairgrease | add_word : 'Add word to dictionary' | 16:10 |
+MrHairgrease | }); | 16:10 |
KlausH | :-) | 16:10 |
+MrHairgrease | My guess is that you should supply de.js files with the contents of the en.js files translated to German | 16:11 |
+MrHairgrease | But I'm not sure if those are still actively used | 16:11 |
KlausH | I will test it | 16:12 |
+MrHairgrease | since there's also a mechanism to get i18n entries from webgui | 16:12 |
+MrHairgrease | you could either do that, or wait some time until the USA wakes up. | 16:12 |
KlausH | for these extensions? | 16:12 |
+MrHairgrease | to ask them | 16:13 |
KlausH | Hey, it | 16:13 |
+MrHairgrease | about how these things should be translated | 16:13 |
KlausH | Hey, It's 8 o clock in Madison ;-) | 16:13 |
+MrHairgrease | indeed it is | 16:13 |
+MrHairgrease | those lazy bastards =) | 16:13 |
KlausH | pssss. | 16:13 |
+MrHairgrease | maybe they're busy preparing for the wuc | 16:14 |
+MrHairgrease | spekaing of which | 16:14 |
+MrHairgrease | are you attending? | 16:14 |
KlausH | I cannot come to the WUC this year perhaps next year. | 16:15 |
+MrHairgrease | too bad... | 16:15 |
KlausH | Last year was great | 16:15 |
+MrHairgrease | it was | 16:16 |
KlausH | I will use the time to post a lot of REFs and bug reports from Germany | 16:17 |
+MrHairgrease | hehe | 16:18 |
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+MrHairgrease | I will use the time to indulge in spotted cow | 16:18 |
+bartjol | I believe same tinymce translations were added, noit sure german was there too | 16:23 |
KlausH | the formControls are strange. When posting an RFE for example, in the Attachments line I have "Browse" and "remove" on my English system, on my German system I have "Durchsuchen" and "remove". English and German are mixed. | 16:27 |
KlausH | bartjol, have you created Dutch files for the tiniymce-webgui extensions? | 16:29 |
+bartjol | I believe I'm referring to this bug http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/i18n-in-rich-edit-in-dutch-breaks, which is something different | 16:29 |
+bartjol | ah, I see | 16:29 |
+bartjol | for example insert macro still doesn't work | 16:30 |
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+bartjol | KlausH: I did that once, but apparently these were updated by tinymce originals | 17:01 |
+bartjol | and some stuff seems to be browser based | 17:01 |
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+perlDreamer | MrHairgrease! | 17:11 |
+perlDreamer | How was your vacation? | 17:12 |
+MrHairgrease | hot! | 17:12 |
+MrHairgrease | just like me =) | 17:12 |
+perlDreamer | well, this is a side-effect of being Eurotrash. | 17:12 |
+perlDreamer | kind of like having too many 9's in the Pie chart generator | 17:13 |
+MrHairgrease | heh | 17:13 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:13 |
+perlDreamer | How in the world did that make a difference? | 17:13 |
+MrHairgrease | ImageMAgick is a piece of crap | 17:13 |
+perlDreamer | this is known and understood | 17:14 |
+MrHairgrease | It used to segfault is you'd tell it to draw an elliptic arc that has the same begin and end point | 17:14 |
+MrHairgrease | so I made it almost the same endpoint | 17:14 |
+MrHairgrease | which did indeed fix the problem | 17:14 |
+perlDreamer | yes, I read that in the code comments | 17:14 |
+MrHairgrease | but apparently something changed | 17:15 |
+MrHairgrease | or I never tested the 100% case | 17:15 |
+MrHairgrease | i dunno | 17:15 |
+MrHairgrease | my guess is the bug kristi reported was the same thing. | 17:15 |
+MrHairgrease | The image magick b's running has prolly been upgraded since I wrote that pie chart thingy | 17:16 |
+MrHairgrease | and this version doesn;t segfault | 17:16 |
+MrHairgrease | but just stick up its middle finger | 17:16 |
+MrHairgrease | ah well | 17:16 |
+MrHairgrease | a few 9's less | 17:16 |
+MrHairgrease | and everything works again | 17:17 |
+MrHairgrease | Crap | 17:18 |
+MrHairgrease | I just found out that my Template JSON patch doesn't work as well as I'd hoped | 17:18 |
+MrHairgrease | The problem is that everything is wrapped in style templates | 17:19 |
+MrHairgrease | so all the var's for the style templates are returned | 17:19 |
+MrHairgrease | which is not what I need... | 17:19 |
+perlDreamer | heh | 17:20 |
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+perlDreamer | you know, on the one hand, having the currency formatter throw an exception when it gets no price has been a royal pain | 17:34 |
+perlDreamer | on the other hand, it's exposed a lot of bugs that we probably would have otherwise missed | 17:34 |
+MrHairgrease | oeh | 17:36 |
+MrHairgrease | I can just double parse the returned json | 17:36 |
+perlDreamer | how about forcing the use of a blank style? | 17:36 |
+MrHairgrease | because it has the stuff i want in body.content | 17:37 |
+MrHairgrease | oh yeah | 17:37 |
+MrHairgrease | that would be much better | 17:37 |
+perlDreamer | well, even with a blank style, there will always be body.content | 17:37 |
+perlDreamer | but less other crap to deal with | 17:37 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:37 |
+MrHairgrease | no | 17:37 |
+MrHairgrease | wait | 17:37 |
+MrHairgrease | why would that be... | 17:38 |
+MrHairgrease | since I'm setting the mimetype | 17:38 |
+MrHairgrease | all the headtags carp and friends should not be outputted anyway | 17:38 |
+MrHairgrease | so maybe processStyle could take that into account as well | 17:40 |
+MrHairgrease | well | 17:44 |
+MrHairgrease | something to discuss during the hackathon methinks | 17:44 |
+perlDreamer | with the rate of things we have to talk about at the hackathon, I think we may have to expand it | 17:46 |
+bartjol | well it is a 9 till 5 event | 17:47 |
+MrHairgrease | you mean all the way into the bar? | 17:47 |
+bartjol | ooh, hacking with spotted cow | 17:47 |
+bartjol | may be best to limit ourselves to acme at the bar | 17:48 |
+perlDreamer | I'm sure that bars have wifi | 17:49 |
+perlDreamer | bartjol, are you collaborating with MrHairgrease about VIES? | 17:49 |
+bartjol | do you call me a collaborator? | 17:50 |
+bartjol | But I spoke him about it | 17:50 |
+bartjol | he thought the opposite of my approach | 17:50 |
+perlDreamer | I can't believe it | 17:52 |
+perlDreamer | Both rory and MrHairgrease wrong at the same time! | 17:52 |
+perlDreamer | or..... | 17:52 |
+bartjol | or only me | 17:53 |
+bartjol | what are they false on | 17:53 |
+perlDreamer | wasn't your approach to do a retry for each VIES that failed? | 17:55 |
+bartjol | yes | 17:55 |
+bartjol | aah | 17:55 |
+perlDreamer | instead of to scan all of them like a cron job? | 17:55 |
+bartjol | it was | 17:56 |
+bartjol | well, both approaches work | 17:56 |
mducharme | hrm | 17:56 |
+bartjol | human resource management | 17:56 |
+perlDreamer | maybe there's some other good reason that we don't know about for doing that? | 17:56 |
+perlDreamer | MrHairgrease: wake up! | 17:56 |
+bartjol | well, he thought it was needlessly complex | 17:57 |
+perlDreamer | perhaps, but if all the VIES are fine then you don't have a workflow banging around | 17:57 |
+MrHairgrease | you summoned me? | 17:58 |
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+perlDreamer | Is there some other reason it's better to have the VIES workflow scan all VIES entries, instead of only checking the ones that need it? | 17:59 |
+MrHairgrease | ah | 17:59 |
+MrHairgrease | I just spoke Bart In REAL LIFE | 18:00 |
+MrHairgrease | can you imagine?!?! | 18:00 |
+MrHairgrease | anyway | 18:00 |
+MrHairgrease | last time I spoke about it with Bart, I misunderstood him | 18:00 |
+MrHairgrease | his approach is fine | 18:00 |
+MrHairgrease | so there you have it | 18:01 |
+MrHairgrease | Both me and rory wrong at the same time | 18:01 |
+MrHairgrease | =) | 18:01 |
+bartjol | and the earth trembled from this bizarre event | 18:03 |
+MrHairgrease | if you say so.... | 18:03 |
+bartjol | maybe it was my car rattling in the wind | 18:03 |
+perlDreamer | maybe it was the wind blowing though your house? | 18:09 |
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+MrHairgrease | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m953f5c2 | 18:12 |
+MrHairgrease | that fixes the issue | 18:12 |
+MrHairgrease | added are lines 6-8 | 18:12 |
+MrHairgrease | could that be seen as a bugfix???? | 18:14 |
+MrHairgrease | Oh | 18:14 |
+MrHairgrease | it's in WG::Session::Style | 18:14 |
+perlDreamer | comments: | 18:16 |
+perlDreamer | 1) it's not indented (yeah I know, nitpicking) | 18:17 |
+perlDreamer | 2) it needs tests | 18:17 |
+perlDreamer | 3) I'd really like to see that headers_in check encapsulated in a method, so we don't have to chase it through the code | 18:17 |
+perlDreamer | maybe $session->http->wantsJSON? | 18:17 |
+perlDreamer | or something else? | 18:17 |
+MrHairgrease | agreed on 2 and 3 | 18:18 |
+MrHairgrease | this was just Proof Of Concept | 18:18 |
+perlDreamer | gotchas | 18:18 |
+MrHairgrease | what do you mean by not intende | 18:18 |
+MrHairgrease | d | 18:18 |
+MrHairgrease | ? | 18:18 |
+perlDreamer | the code you pasted is left justified, and not indented like the rest of the code in the sub | 18:18 |
+MrHairgrease | oh yeah | 18:18 |
+MrHairgrease | i do that always with code that has to removed again | 18:19 |
@Haarg | what is that trying to fix? | 18:19 |
+MrHairgrease | like $log->warns and other debug crap | 18:19 |
+MrHairgrease | The problem is that the json that is generated by Asset::Template is also processed by Session::Style::process which wraps the JSON we want into ... | 18:20 |
+MrHairgrease | bod.content | 18:21 |
+MrHairgrease | Since the mime-type is set already in Template you'd say it shouldn't process the style at all | 18:22 |
+MrHairgrease | since that should only happen when the mime-type is text/html right? | 18:22 |
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+MrHairgrease | well | 18:30 |
+MrHairgrease | it can wait till the wuc | 18:30 |
+MrHairgrease | later guys | 18:30 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, there's a diff file in the spelling checker WebGUI plugin dir. Can it be deleted? | 18:40 |
+perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=7147 | 18:40 |
@Haarg | i'd rather leave it there | 18:41 |
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@Haarg | tinymce provides a spell check plugin, but we aren't using it as is. | 18:41 |
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+perlDreamer | not a problem | 18:42 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd902174 / (4 files in 3 dirs): | 18:42 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Provide warnings in the Cart and Ship Driver screens when there are no | 18:42 |
CIA-53 | webgui: shipping plugins configured. This prevented checkout no feedback. | 18:42 |
CIA-53 | webgui: fixes #10849. - http://bit.ly/gj19t | 18:42 |
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+perlDreamer | we need some kind of introspective script that can go through the db, keep track of all the storage locations, and then clean up ones left over from old bugs | 18:47 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0b43ba6 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Use the right group in the canView check for Shop settings. fixes #10845. | 18:52 |
* perlDreamer is thinking about a run | 18:55 | |
+perlDreamer | any last second questions? | 18:55 |
perlmonkey21 | yes, how would you go about getting GWT into wG? | 18:58 |
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+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: think wG8 | 18:58 |
+perlDreamer | you also might want to review the original thread about choosing a JS toolkit, and why GWT wasn't chosen originally | 18:59 |
perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: just like magic? JS that can't be edited without a GWT project will be allowed in? | 18:59 |
+perlDreamer | I don't think that would happen | 18:59 |
@Haarg | i doubt it. | 18:59 |
perlmonkey2 | I don't see why GWT is really considered a toolkit. It is a higher level language that compiles into JS, usually much more efficiently than can be hand coded in JS. | 19:00 |
+perlDreamer | GWT was originally considered, and rejected for a reason | 19:00 |
+perlDreamer | if you really want GWT, you'll need to come up with a compelling argument to overcome that reason | 19:00 |
perlmonkey2 | No reason to not use GWT with YUI as libraries. GWT doesn't add to the size of scripts and should actually reduce sizes and number of net connections. | 19:00 |
+perlDreamer | and you're debating the wrong person | 19:01 |
+perlDreamer | I hate all JS equally | 19:01 |
perlmonkey2 | yeah, it an't going to happen. | 19:01 |
@Haarg | it adds another language to know to work on webgui. that itself is probably enough reason to not use it. | 19:03 |
perlmonkey2 | that was JT's main argument. His minor point was that it doesn't gain us much, but it is pointless to argue that when he's right about the additional hurdle of Java. | 19:04 |
perlmonkey2 | Just every time I write JS I feel like an asm coder who knows about a killer C++ compiler that would make tighter code, much easier, than what he's doing. | 19:05 |
perlmonkey2 | Any interesting bugs to work on? | 19:11 |
ckotil | how are we getting mod_ldap and mod_authnz_ldap into the wre? | 19:23 |
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ckotil | i guess webgui doesnt use mod_ldap, but i need to have the modproxy apache use it. | 19:32 |
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BartJol1 | carogray: have you already proposed the use of your pl files? | 19:38 |
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@tavisto | perlDreamer | 20:43 |
+perlDreamer | hey, tavisto! | 20:45 |
+perlDreamer | what can I do for you, my brother? | 20:45 |
@tavisto | do you remember awhile back.. there was a shop bug where if someone added a couple products to their cart and then checked out, that it wouldn't take them to the confirmation screen but rather back to one of the product pages? | 20:48 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 20:48 |
@tavisto | I fear that bug has reared it's ugly head again | 20:48 |
+perlDreamer | talk to me, tavisto | 20:48 |
@tavisto | TGC has a couple customers who attempt to checkout | 20:48 |
@tavisto | when they do, it creates an order for them on TGC, but they are taken back to one of the product pages (that they added to cart) | 20:49 |
@tavisto | instead of seeing the confirmation screen. The order status does not process as "OK" and so the merchant account does not actually process the credit card transaction (even though a record of the order is created under transactions) | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | help me out a little. Do you know which products? | 20:50 |
+perlDreamer | which shipping? | 20:50 |
iflux | sup perlDreamer? | 20:50 |
* perlDreamer is a Shop-bug-fixing-fool | 20:50 | |
+perlDreamer | tavisto, I'll have a peek at the logs in a bit. | 20:51 |
@tavisto | excellent | 20:52 |
@tavisto | you'll want to look at order 171 and 172 | 20:52 |
@tavisto | they are fresh as of 3am | 20:52 |
@tavisto | the customer emailed me at 3:26 so somewhere right before then | 20:52 |
+perlDreamer | oy | 20:53 |
+perlDreamer | that's good and recent, I'll dig into it | 20:53 |
+perlDreamer | currently I'm tasked with fixing Kristi's Shop bugs | 20:53 |
+perlDreamer | which will also make you happy since they affect the CMS | 20:53 |
+perlDreamer | uh cmsmatrix | 20:53 |
@tavisto | neato | 20:55 |
@tavisto | oh the advertising dealio | 20:55 |
+perlDreamer | roger that | 20:56 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd0648ec / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Document 2nd bug fixed by commit 12267. - http://bit.ly/d9fMx | 21:02 |
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@preaction | what's our level of support for opera? | 21:59 |
@preaction | real question: should a bug in JS that only affects Opera block us from going stable? | 22:00 |
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@Haarg | what is the bug? | 22:01 |
@preaction | the new code editor is impossible to use | 22:01 |
@preaction | it's probably easy to fix, i've just got some other bigger issues to fix with it and i got until Tues to do it | 22:02 |
@Haarg | does the new editor have an option to disable it? | 22:02 |
@preaction | no, though i could add one | 22:02 |
@Haarg | it probably doesn't need it | 22:02 |
@Haarg | i'd say leaving opera with just a textarea would be acceptable though. | 22:03 |
@preaction | well, knowing how people seem to bitch about everything... | 22:03 |
@preaction | i'm testing the IEs right now | 22:03 |
@Haarg | true, but this editor is much simpler. the only reason it was a problem with the old editor is that is had lots of problems even when it was 'working'. | 22:04 |
@preaction | great, completely busted in IE8 as well | 22:11 |
@steveo_aa | Are you sure "completely busted" isn't a security block in IE8 regarding secure and insecure content on the same page? | 22:16 |
@preaction | yes, there's !!CURSOR_HERE!! at the top of the page and the margins are off so the line-numbers are hidden | 22:17 |
@preaction | the !!CURSOR_HERE!! is some magic for other purposes, but it should never appear to the end-user | 22:17 |
@steveo_aa | Ok, just something I ran across recently. | 22:18 |
@preaction | yeah, there's gonna be plenty of problems with this in IE in the future I expect :( | 22:18 |
@preaction | doesn't load at all in IE7... beautiful | 22:18 |
@preaction | hmm... you notice that when a dev says "completely broken" it really means "some level of broken with no clue as to why" | 22:25 |
@preaction | so it could be just "text out of alignment" but it's "completely broken" if i don't know why the text is out of alignment | 22:25 |
+perlDreamer | you need to get your characters balanced | 22:40 |
+perlDreamer | every 50,000 characters | 22:40 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg: do you know what could cause utf8::downgrade to fail? | 23:00 |
@Haarg | you have a specific case of this? | 23:00 |
@Haarg | and what does 'fail' mean? | 23:00 |
+perlDreamer | well, in this case it would mean to return false | 23:00 |
+perlDreamer | when trying to convert content | 23:01 |
+perlDreamer | I do have a specific case | 23:01 |
+perlDreamer | It happened during an ITransact checkout | 23:01 |
+perlDreamer | after credentials were submitted, and the XML message was constructed for sending | 23:01 |
@Haarg | seems like an odd place to use downgrade | 23:02 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rdaf9284 / lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver/ITransact.pm : Remove debug code. - http://bit.ly/hCe1L | 23:02 |
+perlDreamer | in the logFile, I see : HTTP::Message content must be bytes at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver/ITransact.pm line 460 | 23:02 |
+perlDreamer | HTTP::Message is the super class of HTTP::Request, which is used to submit the data to ITransact | 23:02 |
@Haarg | is this something you were trying to add? | 23:03 |
+perlDreamer | no, it's existing code | 23:03 |
@Haarg | ah | 23:03 |
+perlDreamer | the submitter of the transaction is from Italy | 23:03 |
+perlDreamer | I can show you his address data, if that helps | 23:03 |
@Haarg | basically, you want to encode the data somehow before passing it to content | 23:04 |
@Haarg | if itransact accepts utf8 then you'd want to use that | 23:05 |
+perlDreamer | looks like they only take latin-1 | 23:09 |
+perlDreamer | which explain the attempt to use utf8::downgrade | 23:11 |
@Haarg | by 'they' you mean HTTP::Message? | 23:11 |
+perlDreamer | "they" is ITransact. But the utf8::downgrade happens inside HTTP::Message | 23:11 |
@Haarg | is that documented somewhere? | 23:12 |
@Haarg | HTTP::Message works on bytes, so it's using utf8::downgrade to make sure it only has byte data | 23:12 |
+perlDreamer | the XML examples in their docs have encoding='ISO-8859-1' | 23:13 |
@Haarg | and not wide characters | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | the funny thing is, I don't see any wide characters in the transaction data | 23:13 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9d23680 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix styling of pagination in the default search template. Fixes #10851. - http://bit.ly/11vYEk | 23:52 |
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+cap10morgan | whoa, just noticed i'm nominated for the colin kuskie award. thanks guys/gals! *blush* | 00:07 |
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+perlDreamer | congrats, cap10morgan! | 00:46 |
+cap10morgan | thanks :) | 00:47 |
+perlDreamer | I see that KlausH is also nominated | 00:48 |
+perlDreamer | whoa, apache got hacked | 00:50 |
carogray1 | hi guys, - dumb but VERY EASY question for YOU GUYs to answer... | 00:54 |
carogray1 | Graham has told me I can zip a bunch of files and upload them to our/PB server. | 00:54 |
carogray1 | I am asking you cause it's a quicker turn around time rather than waiting for him to get the email on the support board. | 00:54 |
carogray1 | is it ok to ask now, or are you in the middle of something else? | 00:55 |
+perlDreamer | you can always ask | 00:57 |
carogray1 | k | 00:57 |
carogray1 | I FTP'ed (actually WinSCPed) the files all down to my hard drive and now have them copied over onto portable storage whatchamacallit, card thing... | 00:57 |
carogray1 | In the folder each file is duplicated with a ~ at the end. | 00:57 |
carogray1 | i.e. continuance.html and continuance.html~, answer.html and answer.html~ | 00:57 |
carogray1 | also in the cgi-bin folder | 00:57 |
carogray1 | answer.pl and answer.pl~ | 00:57 |
carogray1 | the ~ files have different dates from those without - should I zip them ALL up and send them or are the ~ only temporary and why in one folder is there a file that has ~ but no same name without? | 00:58 |
carogray1 | I just don't want to send more than he needs to sort through. Happy to send the whole lot, but trying to make it simpler for him. | 00:58 |
@Haarg | ~ files are created by some editors as backups | 00:58 |
carogray1 | people editors? | 00:58 |
carogray1 | ok dates for non ~ files are about 2 years earlier, so I shall just send files without, yes | 00:59 |
carogray1 | ? | 00:59 |
@Haarg | yeah, you shouldn't need to include the ~ files at all | 00:59 |
carogray1 | thanks - | 00:59 |
carogray1 | :-D getting right on it! | 00:59 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2f3b8b8 / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 02:02 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Persist form data in the Files and Images. | 02:02 |
CIA-53 | webgui: Reformat lots of AdSku code, and change it to persist the storage for uploading an Image ad. - http://bit.ly/CVabb | 02:02 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r128d2b0 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix copy/paste error in the TimeTracker i18n. fixes bug #10857 - http://bit.ly/1jCJQH | 06:52 |
+perlDreamer | In recent news, Kathy Kuskie passed all of her first term classes! | 06:58 |
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SquOnk | Greetings | 19:26 |
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SquOnk | Anybody around? | 05:51 |
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SquOnk | Hi. Anyone around? | 01:39 |
carogray | only me, a complete novice when it comes to WebGUI | 01:40 |
SquOnk | carogray: Oh, ok. | 01:41 |
carogray | good luck | 01:41 |
SquOnk | carogray: Thanks. | 01:42 |
carogray | welc - back to breaking my brain on CSS - ugh. | 01:42 |
SquOnk | carogray: However, I think I figured out my problem already. Sometimes it's enough to articulate the question in your mind to figure out the problem ;-) | 01:42 |
carogray | i know EXACTLY what you mean I have spent the last 3 days staring at stuff giving up, watching a movie and then seeing that I didn't put a space between a ) and u and therefore a whole element was invisible or in the wrong place! double ugh. | 01:43 |
SquOnk | carogray: Wanna tip? Get a doll and talk to it. A Gooey doll may suffice... | 01:44 |
carogray | haha | 01:44 |
SquOnk | carogray: I usually talk to my associate when we do XP together. But when I'm hacking alone, I have a doll around... | 01:44 |
SquOnk | carogray: ...and I just explain the problems to it :-) | 01:44 |
SquOnk | carogray: Remember the Muppet's mad scientist? I have the assistant :-) | 01:45 |
carogray | I need a doll who knows CSS - I just learned after hours of frustration that "all blocks floated unless an image have to have their width defined". I didn't know that! | 01:45 |
carogray | I sort of remember the Muppets - that was after my time and only saw them when I was babysitting but didn't do much tv watching with kids when babysitting... | 01:46 |
carogray | how you guys can spend so much time doing all this programming is beyond me. I do see how satisfying it is when it finally works but it takes so long for it to work and so many stabs in the dark... | 01:47 |
carogray | for me that is... | 01:47 |
SquOnk | carogray: Well, not not nitpick, but CSS is not programming :-) | 01:48 |
SquOnk | carogray: Making the computer do exactly what you want it to do is part of it. | 01:48 |
carogray | yes, I know. programming is even HARDER... | 01:48 |
SDuensin | No, because programming makes sense. CSS is just alien. :-) | 01:49 |
carogray | I know it's the details that get me. I am not a detail person. | 01:49 |
SquOnk | carogray: lol | 01:49 |
carogray | haha i like that | 01:49 |
carogray | that's a true programmer speaking | 01:49 |
SquOnk | carogray: And nothing beats writing a program that _generates_ programs that do what you want. | 01:49 |
SDuensin | SquOnk - That's what I've been doing lately. Coding things that build code so I can reproduce builds. | 01:50 |
SquOnk | SDuensin: That's what I've doing for over a decade now ;-) | 01:50 |
SDuensin | Well, come do mine! :-P | 01:50 |
* SquOnk works with compilers, translators and all sorts of code-generation creepy stuff | 01:50 | |
carogray | oh my god! I am not putting you down I have just benefited immensely from exactly (I think) what you are talking about this weekend. If I can figure out this CSS the new build your own webGUI site on the demo will have saved me this weekend | 01:51 |
SquOnk | To give you an example... | 01:51 |
SquOnk | ...I had students complaining about the lack of solved exercises for a particular course I teach (the book has about a dozen). | 01:51 |
SquOnk | And the solutions usually need graphs and formulae. | 01:52 |
SquOnk | So I wrote a Perl script that generates exercises, solves them (creating the graphs and formulae with LaTeX), and generates the program that solves the problem too. | 01:52 |
SDuensin | Cool | 01:52 |
carogray | back to my css - guys bye | 01:53 |
SquOnk | Now they complain about not having time to try out "all the possibilities", so I said "if you can explain how my program works, you'll know everything you need to know to pass" | 01:53 |
SquOnk | carogray: Bye | 01:53 |
SquOnk | Now I'm rewriting the thing in Haskell | 01:53 |
SquOnk | Making Venezuela a better country by pushing students away from Java and PHP. | 01:54 |
SDuensin | Never messed with Haskell. I really don't need another language right now. :-) | 01:54 |
SDuensin | PHP, ok. But I like Java! | 01:54 |
SDuensin | (PHP is the new BASIC.) | 01:54 |
SquOnk | Oh Java is bad in so many levels... | 01:55 |
SquOnk | ...but I digress | 01:55 |
SquOnk | I do my work in Perl, Haskell and Erlang, most of the time. | 01:55 |
SDuensin | The class library is bad, yes. It needs a rewrite. :-) | 01:56 |
SDuensin | I looked at Erlang a bit. It's interesting. | 01:57 |
SquOnk | SDuensin: And the boxing is annoying. | 02:00 |
SDuensin | Guess I'm just used to it. :-/ | 02:00 |
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elnino | how do I look at the backlog of this chat room? | 06:48 |
@preaction | some of them are here: http://mentalhouse.net/irc/logs/webgui/ | 06:49 |
elnino | perfect. Thnks. | 06:50 |
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@preaction | http://blog.digg.com/?p=878 <- the worst news i've ever seen. nay, the worst news of this still-young millenium | 18:12 |
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@tavisto | hey I happen to like IE6 | 18:42 |
@tavisto | so back off | 18:42 |
@preaction | tavisto: you're dead to me | 18:43 |
@tavisto | muwhaha | 18:43 |
@preaction | now keep quiet or you might become dead to everyone else too | 18:43 |
@tavisto | I see dead people | 18:43 |
@preaction | you looking in a mirror again? | 18:43 |
@tavisto | it's a twist. | 18:43 |
@preaction | know anyplace else i can get wifi? my starbucks 2 hours is about to expire | 18:43 |
@tavisto | panera bread | 18:44 |
@preaction | don't have any of those around here | 18:44 |
@preaction | i'd go to mcdonalds, but i can't stand the food | 18:44 |
@tavisto | http://www.wififreespot.com/wi.html | 18:44 |
@tavisto | culvers has it | 18:45 |
@preaction | ooh nice | 18:45 |
@tavisto | glass nickel pizza | 18:45 |
@tavisto | public library | 18:45 |
@preaction | ha! the public library | 18:45 |
@tavisto | sundance cinemas | 18:45 |
@preaction | ew. westhaven. snooty bastards | 18:45 |
@preaction | i'm in Oshkosh, not Madison | 18:45 |
@tavisto | oh yeah crap | 18:46 |
@preaction | but my public library has it too, so that's where i'm headed next | 18:46 |
@tavisto | saweet | 18:46 |
@preaction | after a refill on the coffee | 18:46 |
+danny_mk | don't most towns provide free access these days? | 18:46 |
@preaction | Oshkosh isn't exactly the height of civilization | 18:46 |
@tavisto | heh, and even in big cities they dont | 18:46 |
@tavisto | whenever we travel for exhibiting at tradeshows... good internet is always hard to find | 18:47 |
+danny_mk | hmmm... we must be privileged | 18:47 |
@preaction | as part of my iphone plan i get free wi-fi, but only on the phone itself | 18:49 |
* preaction wishes at&t did tethering... | 18:49 | |
+danny_mk | how about a hotel lobby | 18:49 |
+danny_mk | isn't that always free? | 18:49 |
@preaction | that might work, if the public library doesn't | 18:49 |
@tavisto | preaction!!! | 18:50 |
@tavisto | that reminds me | 18:50 |
+danny_mk | and they do tend to have decent restaurants | 18:50 |
@tavisto | there is a dat file you can upload to your iphone that allows that. at&t cannot detect it | 18:50 |
@preaction | yeah, i think i remember reading about that | 18:50 |
@preaction | wasn't sure why i didn't want to do it | 18:50 |
@tavisto | i forgot all about that.. no jailbreaking required. you just sync a file that makes your iPhone turn the US tethering option to 1 instead of 0 | 18:51 |
@tavisto | apparently the guy has a friend at at&t (so he says) and at&t cannot see the tethering since the phone isn't jailbroken and using a workaround | 18:51 |
@tavisto | still not sure that AT&T couldn't detect it and apply back billing | 18:52 |
@preaction | looks like it requires too much weird hackery for my tastes | 18:53 |
@preaction | wait, looks like my home connection is back up. i can ping my mail server | 19:03 |
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carogray | more slightly panicked and therefore dumb questions - is there a way to be absolutely sure of the IP address we are giving to DNS people when redirecting their domain names to our PlainBlack servers? | 19:52 |
carogray | I seem to have two numbers one I got from the automat and one from an old email I sent someone in December '08 | 19:53 |
carogray | is there any website you can type in the IP address and find out what websites live at that ip address? | 19:53 |
carogray | rather than who owns the server that has that iip address ? | 19:54 |
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preaction | so it turns out my problem was a loose phone cord that was hitting a metal shelf and shorting out the circuit | 21:43 |
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SynQ | whoo hoo! | 22:19 |
SynQ | I have just given away more then half my Karma | 22:19 |
SynQ | how good that feels :) | 22:20 |
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mducharme-work | are we getting close to a 7.7 stable release? | 22:51 |
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+perlDreamer | afternoon, folks | 23:12 |
BartJol1 | howdy | 23:13 |
elnino | hey perlDreamer | 23:15 |
elnino | I looked at the Smaps. | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | Oh? | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | and? | 23:15 |
elnino | and .. my smaps.pm looks like it already has that patch. | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | oh.... | 23:15 |
elnino | =( | 23:15 |
elnino | tho | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | oh well, back to the drawing board | 23:15 |
elnino | letme dig that up again. | 23:16 |
elnino | http://www.mail-archive.com/modperl@perl.apache.org/msg20084.html | 23:16 |
elnino | Mine has the portable statement. | 23:17 |
elnino | which according to the thread made it sound like that was what would fix "it" | 23:17 |
elnino | but the next line after that, doesn't look like what I have. | 23:17 |
+perlDreamer | well, the recommended patch is from 2007 | 23:18 |
+perlDreamer | and it doesn't say which version of Smaps it is against, only diffs against dates | 23:18 |
elnino | the next line looks like this (which means nothing to me) use Class::Member::HASH qw{pid lasterror filename procdir | 23:19 |
elnino | _elem -CLASS_MEMBERS}; | 23:19 |
elnino | but it doesn't look like that would do anything either. | 23:19 |
elnino | it was a good try tho. | 23:19 |
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CIA-53 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r22ea557 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Give EMS'es default values for Schedule Locations per Page. Fixes #10868. - http://bit.ly/lRPAY | 23:42 |
preaction | perlDreamer: if Safari and Firefox work perfectly for the new code editor, and IE has a minor problem with whitespace that doesn't affect input, should I throw it in? | 23:44 |
+perlDreamer | how minor? | 23:44 |
preaction | there are extra newlines shown at the beginning that disappear when you begin to enter text, causing the text to jump | 23:45 |
preaction | i know it's a problem with the highlight routines, i could in theory disable them for IE temporarily until this problem is fixed | 23:46 |
+perlDreamer | I'd rather have no highlights than jumpy text | 23:46 |
preaction | alright, i'll see what i can do | 23:46 |
elnino | I dont' know what you guys are talking about, but just a thought. | 23:47 |
elnino | is there a line in the html code for the editor that doesn't need to be there? | 23:47 |
elnino | I know that probably shouldn't make a difference, but I found sometimes in ie it does for editing fields. | 23:47 |
preaction | no, nothing like that. there's a lot of JS magic going on in here | 23:48 |
elnino | ok. =) | 23:49 |
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