| --- Log opened Sat Aug 01 00:00:03 2009 |
| iflux | http://thereifixedit.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/scottw-motorbike.jpg .. I got no comment for that picture man.. but.. wow.. | 00:05 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: doug * r12000 /WebGUI/ (t/Inbox.t lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm t/Inbox/Message.t): change "testing" to "no_email" for inbox messages | 00:08 |
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| +perldreamer | was that driving you crazy, preaction? | 00:32 |
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| @preaction | no, i just needed the feature | 00:32 |
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| @preaction | there are other things that drive me crazy about the way the inbox works | 00:32 |
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| +perldreamer | me, too | 00:33 |
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| +perldreamer | it starts at line 1, and ends at 1; | 00:33 |
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| @preaction | yeah, it could probably use a complete overhault | 00:33 |
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| @preaction | all of this directed attacks against little bugs and features is creating monsters out of our APIs | 00:34 |
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| +perldreamer | yay, I've got the modules | 00:54 |
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| +perldreamer | now can I build them? | 00:54 |
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| +perldreamer | when building the WRE, is there a way to get it to ONLY BUILD perl modules | 00:59 |
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| +perldreamer | and not to do anything else? | 00:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so | 20:02 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the eagle has landed... | 20:02 |
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| +MrHairgrease | http://www.plainblack.com/tbb/i-have-arrived-in-lisboa | 20:02 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'll be going tomorrow! | 20:03 |
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| hansw | hi | 01:04 |
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| hansw | hmm, webgui is a bit weird, I've already been away from the office for 2 weeks and I still do not get any complaints | 01:05 |
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| mducharme | complaints about what? | 01:15 |
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| mducharme | and how is webgui weird | 01:16 |
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| mducharme | heh | 01:16 |
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| daviddelikat | thats rough, perhaps you should try something that generates more complaints :) | 01:16 |
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| hansw | will try that :-) | 01:30 |
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| hansw | and another week to enjoy the holidays, it even seems to get warm over here | 01:32 |
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| daviddelikat | wheres 'over here'? | 01:33 |
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| hansw | germany | 01:33 |
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| hansw | 30 degrees celsius | 01:33 |
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| hansw | around 86 Fahrenheit I think | 01:34 |
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| daviddelikat | 123qwe | 01:34 |
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| daviddelikat | oops | 01:34 |
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| hansw | :-) | 01:34 |
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| hansw | well, that might be visible at our site but it will not work | 01:35 |
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| daviddelikat | its the default for the vm... | 01:35 |
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| hansw | ai | 01:35 |
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| daviddelikat | I haven';t bothered to change it because I reset so often i've nothing to lose | 01:36 |
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| hansw | we have a simular policy for intranet/test servers | 01:36 |
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| hansw | but once they are about to go live the root pwd and site login's change | 01:37 |
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| daviddelikat | 'course right now it doesn't work at all because the root filesystem is full... | 01:37 |
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| hansw | lol | 01:37 |
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| hansw | / or the complete filesystem? | 01:38 |
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| daviddelikat | well theres a /boot partition, but everything else is in / | 01:38 |
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| daviddelikat | not my choice, but i live with it... | 01:38 |
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| hansw | that is kind of sick, sorry | 01:38 |
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| hansw | that is why I would love to see tablespaces in mysql and logging on another machine | 01:39 |
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| daviddelikat | it wasn't really intended for what I'm using it for either... | 01:39 |
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| daviddelikat | i learned how to 'remount' a filesystem... | 01:40 |
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| hansw | every few weeks I have a customer that is not willing to sign the sla we are using but who is complaining about a non working application | 01:41 |
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| hansw | remounting is only nice with new disks I think | 01:41 |
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| hansw | and the customers /var is always filled for 100 percent | 01:41 |
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| daviddelikat | remounting is for when you fill the root filesystem and it gets turned to readonly | 01:41 |
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| hansw | stupid hp-ux, it does not recycle logfiles | 01:42 |
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| daviddelikat | you remount it so that you can delete files and get the system running | 01:42 |
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| hansw | logrotate is working though | 01:42 |
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| hansw | ah, ok | 01:42 |
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| daviddelikat | we have logrotate, but for some reason i'm getting an incredible number of errors ina short period of time. | 01:43 |
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| hansw | on hp-ux? | 01:43 |
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| daviddelikat | no centos | 01:43 |
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| daviddelikat | is related to webgui | 01:43 |
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| hansw | ah, should not be a problem | 01:43 |
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| daviddelikat | something in the email config | 01:43 |
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| daviddelikat | it will go away again when I reset | 01:43 |
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| hansw | postfix? exim? | 01:44 |
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| daviddelikat | then it comes back after I've used it a while... | 01:44 |
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| daviddelikat | not sure, I never touch the mail system. | 01:44 |
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| daviddelikat | too busy with my own stuff... | 01:44 |
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| hansw | or even sendmail... shiver | 01:44 |
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| hansw | daviddelikat, did you look at the pre and post actions in the logrotate config? | 01:45 |
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| daviddelikat | all I know is thata in about 5 minutes the maillog can grow to about 6 gig | 01:45 |
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| hansw | if you have a busy server then it should first stop accepting | 01:45 |
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| daviddelikat | its not busy. I'm the only user. | 01:46 |
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| hansw | not busy while generating 6 GB in 5 minutes? | 01:46 |
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| daviddelikat | its my development system | 01:46 |
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| daviddelikat | it seems to go haywire on occasion | 01:47 |
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| daviddelikat | like i said its not intended for what im using it for | 01:47 |
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| hansw | did you maybe made the same mistake as I did? I once put a class online (php) that logged bad connections to a mysql server. The server was a little fast so once the mysql server did not accept connections it started to email to me for 30 seconds | 01:48 |
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| hansw | it resulted in some 2800 e-mails | 01:48 |
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| hansw | after that I refactored it to send only 1 message per http request :-) | 01:49 |
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| daviddelikat | i could be something like that, I don't know everything webgui does with email... | 01:50 |
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| hansw | well, a grep for mail or smtp should make it a little more clear | 01:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | all right, all you Europeans | 23:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | Return rizen, or else... | 23:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: I tried two different ways of doing resize on EditArea, and struck out on both | 23:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | that ones going to need to be done by someone more skilled in Javascript | 23:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | BartJol, shouldn't you be sleeping? | 00:24 |
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| +BartJol | it's only 23:30 | 00:24 |
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| +BartJol | so, yeah, I have some inclination for going to bed | 00:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | while rizen is gone, I should implement my plot to subvert WebGUI, and thereby, TAKE OVER THE WORLD! | 00:25 |
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| +BartJol | or at least PB | 00:26 |
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| +BartJol | well, we can plot something | 00:26 |
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| +BartJol | but now I want in | 00:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | you want a piece of the action? | 00:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | not a problem | 00:27 |
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| +BartJol | sure | 00:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | How does New Zealand sound? | 00:27 |
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| +BartJol | good, should I go there? | 00:27 |
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| +BartJol | or are we sending JT? | 00:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | No, you can have it | 00:28 |
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| +BartJol | cool | 00:28 |
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| +BartJol | and make it a law to use WebGUI for websites | 00:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't know if the beer is any good, but I hear they make good movies there. | 00:29 |
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| +BartJol | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_in_New_Zealand | 00:29 |
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| +BartJol | if you arrange that new glarus will export spotted cow to NZ | 00:30 |
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| +BartJol | I will survive | 00:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | That James Cook was a smart guy | 00:30 |
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| SquOnk | Hi everyone | 00:31 |
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| +BartJol | so, is there any detailed plan? | 00:31 |
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| +BartJol | hi SquOnk | 00:31 |
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| SquOnk | Updated 7.6.33 packages in my Debian repo | 00:31 |
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| +BartJol | cool | 00:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, in general, how well are laptops supported by Debian? | 00:32 |
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| @preaction | quite well | 00:32 |
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| @preaction | my last macbook booted right up with ubuntu | 00:32 |
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| * perlDreamer would really like to use Skype on his laptop | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | badly enough that he might leave fedora | 00:32 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Quite well. I'd suggesting NOT using Debian (or Linux for that matter) on the newer Sony VAIOs, though. | 00:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | I always buy Dell's | 00:33 |
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| +BartJol | Martin runs linux on his vaio | 00:33 |
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| SquOnk | MacBooks work almost aout of the box if you have ReFit installed. | 00:33 |
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| +BartJol | not sure how new that one is | 00:33 |
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| SquOnk | The only "trick" is to add model=mbp2 for your ALSA drivers, but that's about it | 00:33 |
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| SquOnk | I run a Thinkpad T60p (two years old). Had to go with a custom kernel because of a buggy Atheros driver. | 00:34 |
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| SquOnk | Dell laptops work flawlessly most of the time. | 00:34 |
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| SquOnk | Avoid the Lenovo SL, stick to the X, R or T | 00:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | is there a compatibility matrix? | 00:34 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Not that I know of. | 00:34 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: What I usually do with friends that ask is Live boot them with Debian Live or Ubuntu and check out if everyting works. | 00:35 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: If they've got a plain old Intel chipset, everything will work out of the box. | 00:35 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: If you get the weird Atheros wifi cards, you'll have to do some additional work (in _some_ cases) | 00:36 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: If you need hardware 3D on ATI/nVidia cards (high end laptops, like mine) then you'll need to add the proprietary drivers (which are in the non-free part of the repo, mind you) | 00:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | of course | 00:39 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I've been using Thinkpads exclusively since 2001 and the _all_ work out of the box, except the SLs (avoid them like the plague) and the 'p' class off the T series having high-end hardware config. | 00:40 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: My associates carry a T41 and a MacBook (not Pro) with Debian Lenny, the first has 3D accel on the low-end ATI card and the other has 3D accel on the Intel integrated card the MacBook has. | 00:41 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I tend to avoid HP laptops: crappy hardware and shiny screens. | 00:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | my first laptop was a Toshiba, and I was chasing network and video issues for a long time | 00:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | then I switched to Dell, and have had no problem | 00:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | until this Vostro 1510, with audio and microphone issues | 00:42 |
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| SquOnk | Intel HDA | 00:42 |
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| SquOnk | One API, infitine CODECs from hell. | 00:43 |
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| @preaction | anyone here familiar with DBIx::Class? i have some planning questions | 00:43 |
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| @preaction | or anyone just want to help me brainstorm which of two methods is better? | 00:43 |
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| SquOnk | preaction: Shoot | 00:44 |
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| @preaction | one way I can have WebGUIx::Asset be a way to find assets, like WebGUIx::Asset->find('any') | 00:44 |
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| @preaction | this way requires that base functionality be in a role, which is i think a problem | 00:44 |
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| @preaction | base functionality like www_view, view, prepare_view, commit, www_edit get_edit_form, etc... | 00:45 |
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| @preaction | the other way is that WebGUIx::Asset is the base class with all this basic functionality, then WebGUIx::Asset::Schema is how you find assets | 00:45 |
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| SquOnk | preaction: I'm not that familiar with WebGUI's database model. | 00:46 |
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| @preaction | either way there are classes WebGUIx::Asset::Tree and WebGUIx::Asset::Any for the "asset" and "assetData" tables respectively | 00:46 |
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| SquOnk | preaction: What you basically want is "a table, a class" | 00:46 |
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| @preaction | mainly there are three important tables for every asset: "asset", "assetData" and the asset's own table | 00:46 |
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| @preaction | asset isn't versioned, assetData and their own tables are | 00:46 |
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| @preaction | i have that part done, it's just the question: Should common functionality to all assets be a role or a class to be inherited from? | 00:47 |
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| SquOnk | preaction: Methods on the class. | 00:48 |
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| @preaction | so a class to be inherited from? | 00:48 |
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| SquOnk | preaction: Say you have a table Foo where you CRUD. Then you have My::Schema::Foo | 00:49 |
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| @preaction | yes, but the asset system doesn't translate well to that | 00:49 |
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| perigrin | define your use of the term "role" | 00:49 |
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| SquOnk | preaction: Say you have a very weird/complex query that involves Foo and it's not easily modelled as a 'has' relation; here's when you write a custom method for class Foo | 00:49 |
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| perigrin | :) | 00:49 |
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| @preaction | because there are methods that work on "asset" and "assetData" that need to be part of the base class, not $self->asset->method and $self->assetData->method | 00:50 |
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| @preaction | perigrin: Moose::Role | 00:50 |
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| perigrin | Role | 00:50 |
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| @preaction | http://github.com/preaction/modern-webgui <- contains the code for the first situation | 00:50 |
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| perigrin | which will do what SquOnk is saying afaict | 00:50 |
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| @preaction | i'm thinking of changing it to a WebGUIx::Asset base class and WebGUIx::Asset::Schema for the DBIx::Class::Schema | 00:51 |
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| SquOnk | What's the relationship between Asset and AssetData? 'has many', right? | 00:52 |
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| @preaction | asset has_many assetData | 00:52 |
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| perigrin | (also pet peave ... Moose enables strict/warnings ... ) | 00:52 |
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| SquOnk | preaction: Ok, then if you have an asset you can get into assetDara and back with DBix::Class autogenerated methods. | 00:53 |
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| SquOnk | preaction: And you still have "one table, one class" | 00:53 |
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| @preaction | SquOnk: yes, i realize, that's the problem. you have to use those autogenerated methods. | 00:53 |
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| SquOnk | preaction: If the query becomes so hairy that you don't want it to show in the main code, you just wrap it up as an additional asset method. | 00:54 |
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| @preaction | so let's say I have a "Snippet" asset, WebGUIx::Asset::Snippet. if I want to get the www_view method, I do $asset->www_view. but if I didn't define one, that method is only defined in WebGUIx::Asset::AssetData | 00:54 |
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| @preaction | www_view needs to use methods from asset, assetData, and Snippet | 00:55 |
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| SquOnk | preaction: Ah, you want a way to override the methods in case they're not defined. | 00:55 |
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| @preaction | but www_view for a Template asset needs asset, assetData, and Template | 00:55 |
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| SquOnk | Now I begin to understand ;-) | 00:55 |
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| perigrin | are the sub-methods in Template and Snippet named the same? | 00:56 |
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| @preaction | which is why i'm thinking WebGUIx::Asset should define www_view and collect the info it needs, so that individual assets can inherit from it | 00:56 |
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| perigrin | something you can require as an Interface? | 00:56 |
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| @preaction | perigrin: yes | 00:56 |
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| * perigrin still things it sounds like a role then :) | 00:56 |
| @preaction | but i don't want it to be only abstract (not a Java interface) | 00:56 |
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| perigrin | no no www_view would be implemetend in the role | 00:56 |
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| perigrin | and requires() the method from Snippet and Template | 00:57 |
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| @preaction | but every asset will inherit from the Role, there is no asset that cannot have this Role | 00:57 |
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| perigrin | sure ... a) you don't inherit from Roles (that kind of thinking will screw you up later) and b) compose it into a base class | 00:57 |
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| @preaction | i mean, sure, it's only a difference between "extends WebGUI::Asset" or "with WebGUI::Asset::Role::Common" | 00:57 |
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| SquOnk | preaction: Look at 'Dynamic Sub-classing DBIx::Class proxy classes' in DBIx::Class::Manual::CookBook | 00:58 |
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| perigrin | that's a big difference conceptually ... | 00:58 |
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| @preaction | ooh, inflate_result will solve the newByDynamicClass problem | 00:59 |
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| SquOnk | Good | 01:01 |
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| SquOnk | See you later | 01:03 |
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| @preaction | perigrin: so you suggest i should keep doing what i'm doing? | 01:03 |
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| perigrin | preaction: I dont' understand the underlying data well enough | 01:05 |
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| perigrin | but yes what you're doing + the dynamic subclassing should get you to where you want | 01:05 |
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| perigrin | the www_view problem is very natural to a Role decomposition | 01:05 |
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| perigrin | it'll give you compile time checking if the required method from Snippet and Template don't exist | 01:06 |
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| @preaction | okay, the one more problem i want to solve: I want to make Versioning a Role. if you don't use the Versioning role, your asset never creates versions | 01:06 |
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| @preaction | nm, i figured it out | 01:06 |
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| @preaction | Roles can completely replace methods and call the former method | 01:06 |
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| perigrin | eh wha? | 01:07 |
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| perigrin | Roles get replaced ... but you can around a method and subvert the system | 01:08 |
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| @preaction | yeah, around is what i want | 01:08 |
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| perigrin | from what you just described ... a role that adds either an around or an after modifier to the asset save method is what you want | 01:08 |
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| @preaction | before it needs to create the new revision. after it needs to see if an error occurred and delete the revision if so | 01:09 |
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| perigrin | around sounds right :) | 01:09 |
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| perigrin | the only hiccup is you gotta manually call $self->$next(@_) otherwise things go hinky | 01:10 |
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| @preaction | though if the implementing class has to override process_edit_form, there may be some real weirdness | 01:10 |
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| perigrin | how so? | 01:10 |
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| @preaction | well, i need the return value from $self->$next(@_), if it throws, i need to clean up | 01:10 |
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| perigrin | right ... you also should provide a stubbed $next or make sure it's in the requires() list | 01:11 |
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| perigrin | sub foo { } around 'foo' => sub { ... } is a common idiom | 01:11 |
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| @preaction | process_edit_form will also be in the Common role | 01:11 |
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| @preaction | the two parts will create the full functionality we have currently | 01:12 |
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| @preaction | i really really wish this wasn't my first major project with DBIx::Class and Moose | 01:12 |
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| @preaction | if i had the knowledge you have, or if you had the WebGUI knowledge I have, this would probably be pretty straightforward :p | 01:13 |
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| perigrin | retro-fitting any old codebase is never easy | 01:13 |
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| @preaction | would it be bad to call a class "WebGUIx::Asset::Any"? | 01:18 |
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| @preaction | i like being able to say $schema->resultset('Any')->find(...) | 01:19 |
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| @preaction | Any being any asset (thus, the assetData table) | 01:19 |
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| perigrin | I dn't see why not | 01:25 |
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| perigrin | audrey has a place where she does bless { ...}, '0'; | 01:26 |
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| @preaction | uh... i don't rightly begin to comprehend that one | 01:26 |
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| perigrin | $obj = bless {}, 0; if (ref $obj) { ... } | 01:27 |
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| perigrin | she's hiding the fact that an objet is in fact an object | 01:27 |
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| perigrin | or even a reference | 01:27 |
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| @preaction | oh lord | 01:28 |
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| @preaction | ha! now i get it | 01:28 |
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| @preaction | that is evil | 01:28 |
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| perigrin | in her problem domain it works ... but yes | 01:28 |
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| perigrin | she does it in Data::Thunk? something like that ... whatever her Promise implementation is | 01:28 |
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| @preaction | let's say i hope to never have a reason to need that | 01:29 |
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| perigrin | :) | 01:29 |
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| perigrin | she also started writing Perl 6 in Haskell so YMMV | 01:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | all things considered, she did do pretty well with that | 01:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | you could argue that she kept Perl6 alive, until Parrot came around | 01:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | (again) | 01:35 |
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| * perigrin nods | 01:36 |
| perigrin | I've heard recently she's said that she's given up Perl6 because Moose is so nice :) | 01:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | ha! | 01:38 |
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| @Haarg | i think i may get rid of my goofy module combining thing in wgd and just have it use a file archive | 03:33 |
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| elnino | oh good grief. I'm trying to pass in a parameter to a sqlreport and wrap wild cards around it (%) in the query. Any suggestions? I haven't any luck with concat or anything. I suspect I need to create a variable, but not sure how to do that. Meanwhile I'm searching webgui. | 04:40 |
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| @Haarg | i'd say concat is the best way to do it | 04:41 |
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| @Haarg | how did you try to use it? | 04:41 |
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| elnino | I did. I got an error: ... letme try it again to get the error... | 04:42 |
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| elnino | I put it in the query portion, not the prequery portion. | 04:42 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 04:43 |
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| elnino | opps. | 04:43 |
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| @Haarg | you'd do something like | 04:43 |
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| elnino | dumb user error. | 04:43 |
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| elnino | hold one. | 04:43 |
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| elnino | s/one/on | 04:43 |
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| @Haarg | where field = concat('%', ?, '%') | 04:44 |
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| @Haarg | by yeah, i meant you were correct | 04:44 |
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| elnino | yeah, dumb user error. bad eye sight. what ever you want to call it. | 04:44 |
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| elnino | thanks Haarg! | 04:45 |
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| @preaction | fat-finger. pebkac. picnic | 04:46 |
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| @preaction | we have plenty of ways to describe ourselves being idiots, considering it happens so often ;) | 04:46 |
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| @preaction | there's probably a good psychological paper in there about negative self-thinking in the programming community | 04:46 |
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| elnino | I'm assuming that assetHistory gives me the url history of an asset? | 04:55 |
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| elnino | and if one "clears" the url history, the records are deletd from that table? | 04:55 |
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| @Haarg | it would record the history of the url, but it's not really designed for that | 04:55 |
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| @Haarg | if you 'clear' the url history (change url function) it won't change existing records in the assetHistory table | 04:56 |
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| elnino | oh. is there a better place to find url history of an asset? | 04:57 |
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| elnino | hmm. assetData perhaps | 04:58 |
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| +bartjol | mmm | 15:55 |
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| +bartjol | s/dn/db/ | 15:56 |
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| +bartjol | or actually it's an object | 15:56 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: Add more tests for getEndDateTimeNI. Remove extra whitespace. Add proper legal | 19:55 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: notice and POD headings. | 19:55 |
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| mducharme-work | fun | 20:29 |
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| mducharme-work | at work on a holiday | 20:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | sorry, dude | 20:30 |
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| mducharme-work | UPS decided to kick the bucket | 20:30 |
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| mducharme-work | thankfully was nothing more major than that | 20:30 |
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| mducharme-work | at least everything is running again now | 20:30 |
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| mducharme-work | hopefully nobody plugs in a coffee pot in the other wall or the servers will go down | 20:30 |
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| mducharme-work | lol | 20:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have a nice toaster oven you can borrow | 20:31 |
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| mducharme-work | ;P | 20:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | yo, perlmonkey2 | 21:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: calendar converted over to non-inclusive end times. | 21:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | It is much happier now | 21:51 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, i am working on the code editor thing | 21:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | awesome! | 21:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | I did try the destroy method, but it didn't clean up the drag bars | 21:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | I wish you luck :) | 21:52 |
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| @Haarg | it's a little evil, but if i just set the width/height of the iframe i won't need to destroy the dragger at all | 21:56 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: Finish making end times non-inclusive in the Calendar. This affects both the | 21:58 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: week and the month views. Day and List views are generated based only on the | 21:58 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: start date. | 21:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | I spent about 2 hours trying to replace it, and about another two hours trying to switch back and forth between YUI and EditArea resizers | 21:58 |
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| mducharme | is there any easy way to add more date formats into webgui? | 22:18 |
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| mducharme | sometimes I want a date display format that is not exactly one of the ones listed.. I took an old macro that someone wrote for an older webgui and made it work with the new version to reformat a date, it'd be easier if the date format table allowed custom strings | 22:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | mducharme: is the Date macro ^D useful? | 23:07 |
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| @Haarg | the editarea resize was easier than i expected | 23:07 |
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| @Haarg | didn't end up having to do anything to the iframe since it automatically copies the width: 100%; height: 100% from the textarea | 23:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's cool! | 23:10 |
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| @Haarg | so it's using the yui resize control for when it's enabled or disabled | 23:11 |
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| @Haarg | which is a big improvement over the editarea's own resize control | 23:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | Can I see how you did it? | 23:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'd like to see what I was doing wrong yesterday | 23:12 |
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| @Haarg | i committed it | 23:12 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12003 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Forward porting calendar non-inclusive end times fix. | 23:12 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: graham * r12004 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 4 dirs): fixed #10667: cannot change size of template editor | 23:12 |
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| @Haarg | also cleaned up the textarea since it was using copies of yui's css files for some reason | 23:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | so basically, this wraps the textarea in a div, and it's the div that gets resized? | 23:17 |
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| @Haarg | yes | 23:17 |
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| @Haarg | that's how the textarea worked before, but it did more work than it needed to | 23:18 |
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| @Haarg | so i simplified that some | 23:18 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: been running debian for a few days. going to switch back to cent when I get a chance. | 23:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | debian's no good? | 23:20 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | just doesn't feel as fully fleshed out as RHEL. | 23:20 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | For instance I noticed in the logs that root had spontaneously logged in, su'd to nobody, and logged out 3 minutes later. Probably cron. But cron doesn't log, it emails. But it didn't send an email to anybody. Not root and not my default user. | 23:21 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | This leaves open the question of what that login was and also makes me think that if the defaults for cron's emails aren't set up properly what else isn't? | 23:21 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | One, iptables isn't set up by default. | 23:22 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | you have zero firewall. selinux isn't installed by default. | 23:22 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | And most importantly of all, my folding@home points per day half dropped by 50% with debian. | 23:22 |
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| perigrin_ | obviously the right answer is freebsd then :) | 23:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | haarg: I've gotten most of the calendar import issue done. Next I need to see how the floating time zone is going to affect importing from Google's holiday feed. | 23:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | will you be working on the 7.5.40 latin1 upgrade issue next? | 23:31 |
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| @Haarg | yes | 23:31 |
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| mducharme | perlDreamer: the I'm speaking mostly of collaboration systems and RSS feeds | 23:39 |
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| mducharme | where the date macro does not help much.. | 23:39 |
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| mducharme | unless I'm missing something | 23:39 |
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| mducharme | and I should say syndicated content instead of RSS feeds... | 23:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | is this an aggregated item in the SC, or a feed that the SC is generating for you? | 23:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | from what I can see, in the HTML version of the SC output, it gives you access to the publication date of each item as an epoch. | 23:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | that would feed right into the Date macro | 23:44 |
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| mducharme | ahh | 23:49 |
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| mducharme | never realized.. | 23:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | can I share a secret with you? | 23:49 |
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| mducharme | sure | 23:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | there is a ton of information in the online help for the assets | 23:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | no one reads it | 23:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | and they end up missing a lot of WebGUI's capabilities | 23:49 |
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| mducharme | I looked in there a while back | 23:50 |
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| mducharme | but last time I looked into this was like a year or two ago | 23:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | whenever you start to use an asset, go back and read the template help page for that asset | 23:50 |
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| mducharme | so if it's something that's been added in in the past few years I might not know about it | 23:50 |
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| mducharme | I couldn't find a way to do it back then | 23:50 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: how come I find RHEL/Fedora to be far superior to Debian/Ubuntu, but Deb/Ubuntu seem to have 2-3 times as many users? And where could you get an honest answer that wouldnt' involve some sort of soul destroying flame war? | 23:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | LWN.net | 23:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | ask corbet, the editor there | 23:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | either that, or it could be the whole ideological issue | 23:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | mducharme: I checked 7.4 quickly, and it seems to have epoch dates as well | 23:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | but who knows? | 23:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: it could also be very similar to WebGUI vs Drupal/Mambo, etc. | 00:47 |
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| @preaction | ha, that's not even a contest | 01:04 |
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| @preaction | RedHat seems more suited to getting things done, Debian is a means to an end (a super-OS that contains the tools to build your real OS) | 01:04 |
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| @preaction | hence, Ubuntu | 01:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | Debian wasn't designed to be that, was it? | 01:09 |
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| @preaction | it's always been that way to me, it does the very least possible | 01:10 |
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| @preaction | it was weird when i set up my freebsd system and got nightly, weekly, and monthly e-mail reports | 01:10 |
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| @preaction | debian was my first successful linux foray | 01:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: was iCal export another calendar add-on? | 01:32 |
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| @preaction | add on? | 01:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | add after the original release | 01:34 |
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| @preaction | no, it was part of the original spec | 01:34 |
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| @preaction | i was just working on using XP, so it got bolted on | 01:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | Operation/Cron.pm needs a wrapper for manually running cron jobs | 02:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | returning spectre status codes is not very friendly | 02:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes! | 02:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | Google iCal import is working! | 02:02 |
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| @preaction | yay! | 02:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | which means that the Calendar Import bug (actually 5 bugs) is fixed | 02:06 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12005 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix iCal end day date arithmetic. | 02:09 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12006 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Forward porting Event iCal end day date math fix. | 02:09 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12007 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix iCal import. When there is no end time, one day needs to be subtracted from the endDate. | 02:09 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12008 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Forward porting iCal end day date math fix. | 02:09 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: yeah, that's what I am starting to think. | 02:45 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | The centos drama spooked me. Guess I should ahve waited. | 02:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | It _was_ kind of creepy. He could have pwn'ed anyone with CentOS. | 02:51 |
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| * SDuensin cheers for iCal import! | 02:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I assume the check's in the mail, SDuensin? ;) | 02:52 |
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| SDuensin | Hey man, I didn't break it to begin with. :-P | 02:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | Note to all, I have a dinner date with Mrs. Dreamer tonight, so I'll be gone most of the evening. | 02:53 |
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| SDuensin | To answer the earlier Fedora/Ubuntu question... I can't stand RPM! | 02:53 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I was wondering about that pwnage. Do you think he has the repo keys? Does he just get to place packages in the repo without review? | 02:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | afaik, he just owns the domain and admins the server. | 02:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | which means he could hijack them, and point them anywhere | 02:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | which is better than unsupervised commits | 02:57 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | hmm, maybe I should go price RHEL :P | 02:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | eh, I'll stick with CentOS | 02:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | nothing has happened yet | 02:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I don't do automated updates | 02:59 |
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| * perlDreamer is outta here. | 02:59 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: holy moly, no wonder RHEL is now in the SP500. Have you looked at those prices? | 03:00 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: have fun at dinner. | 03:00 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12009 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Backporting CodeArea resize fix. | 03:14 |
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| perigrin | preaction: http://search.cpan.org/dist/DBIx-Class-DynamicSubclass/lib/DBIx/Class/DynamicSubclass.pm | 06:03 |
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| @preaction | nice | 06:08 |
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| @preaction | i like this FrozenColumns thing too | 06:08 |
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| * perigrin has heard mst rant about it a few too many times to like it | 06:10 |
| perigrin | but it's basically what KiokuDB does for *everything* in its DBI backend so I can't complain too loudly | 06:10 |
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| @preaction | i like it only because we seem to have a hard-on for serializing shit | 06:38 |
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| @preaction | which is a pain in the ass for me | 06:38 |
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| perigrin | You should look at KiokuDB :) | 07:07 |
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| perigrin | it's a fun kind of Evil :) | 07:07 |
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| CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * rdb8976c / (21 files in 3 dirs): more POD cleanups - http://bit.ly/14SIkS | 13:03 |
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| CIA-53 | wgdev: Patrick Donelan master * r69a76a5 / lib/WGDev/Command/Test.pm : | 13:03 |
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| CIA-53 | wgdev: Added coverOptions switch to test command | 13:03 |
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| CIA-53 | wgdev: The coverOptions switch allows users to customize the options passed | 13:03 |
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| CIA-53 | wgdev: to Devel::Cover. | 13:03 |
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| CIA-53 | wgdev: For example, if you want to get a coverage report of custom code with | 13:03 |
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| CIA-53 | wgdev: wg code excluded from the report, you could do something like: | 13:03 |
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| CIA-53 | wgdev: wgd test -C cover_db --coverOptions='+ignore,/data/WebGUI' t -r - http://bit.ly/AkiCD | 13:03 |
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| +bartjol | mmm, would it be interesting if my wre build works on ubuntu 9.04 to supply that? | 17:08 |
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| +bartjol | I don't see the package at sourceforge | 17:08 |
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| +bartjol | only ubuntu 6 server | 17:08 |
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| +bartjol | Haarg, if I have a precompiled ubuntu 9.04 wre package (supposing it does compile) do you want to have that for sourceforge? | 17:16 |
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| @Haarg | what version? | 17:17 |
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| @Haarg | i don't know why we wouldn't want it | 17:17 |
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| +bartjol | ok | 17:17 |
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| +bartjol | wre 0.9.3 | 17:17 |
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| @Haarg | you'll have to find somewhere to upload it though | 17:17 |
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| +bartjol | yeah | 17:18 |
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| +bartjol | that is a problem for later | 17:18 |
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| +bartjol | ik won't be done running prolly before I go home | 17:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, folks | 18:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I'm going to fix the invalid style template bug, because it affects 7.6 as well as 7.7 | 18:50 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: Forward port gallery images folder style template fix, and also | 19:38 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: fix the Map templates folder. | 19:38 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12014 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.33-7.6.34.pl: Change the upgrade script to always print DONE, whether it does anything or not. | 20:23 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: Unify account layout templates to use a similar style. | 20:23 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: Change CSS to only apply account css rules to account content, instead of global/body content. | 20:23 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12016 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 20:38 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: Unify account layout style. | 20:38 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: Change CSS to only apply account css rules to account content, instead of global/body content. | 20:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: I have a fix for the Opera matrix bug! | 21:57 |
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| @Haarg | cool | 21:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | it really is a YUI bug | 21:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | they assume that String has a trim method | 21:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | and apparently in Opera it doesn't | 21:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | so, I added String.prototype.trim = function () {...} | 21:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | and it works | 21:59 |
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| SDuensin | I love how you can mangle JavaScript. It's the only reason IE ever half-ass worked. :-) | 22:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, are you close to any commits? | 22:11 |
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| @Haarg | no | 22:11 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12017 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (www/extras/wobject/Matrix/matrix.js docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): | 22:12 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: Work around a YUI bug with string trim function. This affects repainting | 22:12 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: in Opera on the DataTable. | 22:12 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12018 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 22:12 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: Forward porting Matrix compare/search button fix. This is a workaround | 22:12 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: for a YUI bug, where it assumes that Opera will provide a string trim function. | 22:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | Then I'm going to try a release. | 22:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | tavisto :) | 23:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | how 'bout them cmsmatrix bugs, huh? | 23:19 |
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| @tavisto | yeah I saw you smoked the one | 23:23 |
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| @tavisto | stupid Opera | 23:23 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12019 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/create.sql: Preparing for 7.6.34 release. | 23:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | now if I could figure out the other one with the version tags... | 23:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | how do users create a version tag on the site for you to approve? | 23:24 |
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| @tavisto | yeah and if you could work your magic so that the search function only returns matching CMS products | 23:24 |
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| @tavisto | They add a new CMS product to the matrix, or submit a news story on the homepage CS | 23:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | if they submit it, can they delete their own, too? | 23:25 |
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| @tavisto | not sure, I wouldn't think so | 23:26 |
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| @tavisto | what would be the interface for them to do that? They aren't admins | 23:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah | 23:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | but the idea of version tags just disappearing off the site is disturbing | 23:26 |
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| @tavisto | yeah I know | 23:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | how about some good news, then. Any recent big wins? | 23:27 |
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| +SynQ | hmm | 23:43 |
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| +SynQ | I'm looking forward to the WUC allready | 23:43 |
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| +SynQ | it 7.6.34 going to be released today? | 23:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, SynQ | 23:46 |
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| +SynQ | nice | 23:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | chock full of bug-fixing goodness | 23:46 |
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| +SynQ | I'm getting in the good habit of updating all my stable servers within 8 days after a release | 23:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: what is a good WRE place to put spectre PID files? | 23:47 |
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| +SynQ | is spectre getting a pid file? | 23:48 |
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| +SynQ | nice | 23:48 |
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| @preaction | /data/wre/var | 23:48 |
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| +SynQ | not in the stable version I hope | 23:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | had to be done | 23:48 |
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| +SynQ | perlDreamer: /data/wre/var/run | 23:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | wre does not have a var/run, SynQ | 23:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe you could fix that little problem? | 23:48 |
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| @Haarg | var/logs i guess | 23:48 |
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| +SynQ | I could fix that | 23:49 |
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| +SynQ | but then we would have to release a new WRE version | 23:49 |
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| @Haarg | i don't love the idea, but that's what we're doing for apache | 23:49 |
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| +SynQ | which is why I would say put that PID file into beta | 23:49 |
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| +SynQ | but if it must be done | 23:50 |
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| +SynQ | indeed | 23:50 |
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| +SynQ | put it in /data/wre/var | 23:50 |
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| @Haarg | is the pid file in this release perlDreamer? | 23:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:50 |
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| +SynQ | I would say put a comment into the gotcha file | 23:50 |
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| +SynQ | and make the PID file configurable in spectre.conf | 23:51 |
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| @Haarg | i think it would be reasonable to leave it for beta since it's not a huge bug. | 23:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | there is a comment in the gotcha file, and it's configurable in the conf file | 23:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I just finished upgrading | 23:51 |
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| +SynQ | then before you can continue with this upgrade you have to put it into spectre.conf manually | 23:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:52 |
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| +SynQ | I would recommend to create a /data/wre/var/run directory | 23:52 |
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| +SynQ | and put all .pid files in there | 23:52 |
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| +SynQ | currently modperl.pid and modproxy.pid are in /data/wre/var/logs | 23:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ, I'll find the guy who does WRE development, and assign him that task | 23:56 |
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| +SynQ | ah | 23:56 |
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| +SynQ | good plan | 23:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | do you happen to know who he is? :) | 23:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think you may be wearing his pants | 23:56 |
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| +SynQ | who would that be? | 23:56 |
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| +SynQ | :P | 23:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | he is a very nice fellow. Very smart, very sociable. | 23:57 |
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| +SynQ | very manipulative also | 23:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | really? | 23:57 |
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| +SynQ | and open to flattering | 23:57 |
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| +SynQ | but go ahead | 23:58 |
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| +SynQ | I am officially 'on holliday leave' | 23:59 |
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| +SynQ | I hope Tessa will give me some time off from holliday to work on my WUC presentation and on the WRE | 23:59 |
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| --- Day changed Wed Aug 05 2009 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to work on my slides, too. | 00:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | Perhaps Emma can help? | 00:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm sure by now you've taught her some basic Unix commands | 00:03 |
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| +SynQ | uh | 00:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | I/O redirection | 00:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | Bash | 00:06 |
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| @Haarg | i haven't started my slides yet, but i only have a really short thing to do and it is about wgdev so it will be easy to write | 00:06 |
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| +SynQ | what she sais sounds like the output of 'cat /bin/bash | /dev/audio' | 00:06 |
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| +SynQ | slides? | 00:06 |
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| +SynQ | you are using slides? | 00:06 |
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| +SynQ | I was thinking of a strip-act :P | 00:06 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12020 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.34-stable: Release 7.6.34-stable | 00:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, safe to commit now | 00:13 |
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| * perlDreamer waits expectantly for a flood of bug fixing commits... | 00:14 |
| @preaction | wow. if I want "spla.tt" it is $1000 for two years :( | 00:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | oy | 00:15 |
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| * preaction needs a cool domain to host some webgui listservs | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | how about splu.tt ? | 00:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | or lackof.info ? | 00:15 |
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| @preaction | ha: i.lack.info | 00:16 |
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| @preaction | you.love.us | 00:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | and the affiliated sites | 00:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | u.lack.info | 00:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | we.lack.info | 00:16 |
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| @preaction | parked :( | 00:16 |
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| @preaction | badl.ag | 00:16 |
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| * perlDreamer goes to run some errands | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | don't let that stop the huge influx of bug fixes | 00:17 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12021 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.6.35 development. | 00:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm | 01:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | seems like we're missing a huge influx of bug fixes | 01:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: how about webg.ui? | 01:06 |
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| @preaction | doesn't look like .ui is an available name | 01:09 |
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| @preaction | perlbot .ui | 01:09 |
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| @preaction | perlbot .gs | 01:10 |
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| perlbot | .gs is S. Georgia and S. Sandwich Islands | 01:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: I'm not sure it's going to be possible to extend the RssAspect API to handle generic www methods | 01:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | the good news is that I have your excellent test suite to double check should I assay it | 01:15 |
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| @preaction | perigrin: you around for a question or two about Moose/DBIx::Class and Roles v. Inheritence? | 04:45 |
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| @preaction | i'm thinking I want to set up WebGUIx::Asset to automatically set up some DBIx::Class relationships. It seems to me that this would be better done by inheriting. | 04:45 |
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| @preaction | over time, more functionality would be shoved into Roles, but WebGUIx::Asset would remain the superclass of all Assets | 04:46 |
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| perigrin | I am | 04:47 |
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| perigrin | That seems reasonable. | 04:47 |
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| perigrin | Did you see Ovid's notes from his talk in Lisbon today? | 04:47 |
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| @preaction | no | 04:48 |
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| perigrin | http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/39404 | 04:48 |
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| perigrin | http://chris.prather.org/perl/the-role-of-inheritance/ is my take on it | 04:50 |
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| @preaction | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m4a7c9c29 <- this is my theoretical basic new asset. anything i can make better? | 04:50 |
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| @preaction | there are relationships set up by WebGUIx::Asset->import() which load the "asset" and "assetData" tables | 04:50 |
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| perigrin | careful with the augment/inner ... it is really easy to make a broken API that way | 04:51 |
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| perigrin | I did it with XML::Toolkit the first time through | 04:51 |
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| @preaction | yeah, i just saw it and i'm mulling it over. it seems logical for style templates, but i dunno | 04:51 |
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| perigrin | it makes it hard to override | 04:52 |
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| perigrin | I'm not saying don't... | 04:52 |
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| perigrin | well I am actually | 04:52 |
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| perigrin | but feel free to ignore moe :) | 04:52 |
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| perigrin | er me | 04:52 |
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| @preaction | heh, it might be a good thing for Roles that need something from the module | 04:53 |
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| @preaction | but even that can be done with "requires" and done better | 04:53 |
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| perigrin | yes | 04:53 |
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| perigrin | requires is the way to do that | 04:53 |
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| @preaction | because the "inner" method is available to be called whenever, without the outer sugar | 04:53 |
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| perigrin | actually it wouldn't work with Roles. | 04:53 |
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| perigrin | a Role couldn't provide the inner() | 04:53 |
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| perigrin | only a subclass can. | 04:53 |
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| @preaction | right | 04:53 |
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| @preaction | the order thing | 04:54 |
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| perigrin | no the composability thing ... the original papers on Roles have a clause where any implementation of Roles/Traits should be possible to compile away into a standard class | 04:54 |
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| perigrin | they have a bit more ... real-ness ... in Moose than they do in say Scala | 04:55 |
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| perigrin | but the ultimate idea is that they're just a part of a class and when the system is run there's no difference from cutting and pasting them into the source. | 04:55 |
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| perigrin | this looks fine for a custom Asset implementation | 04:56 |
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| @preaction | but it's not evil of me to make sub WebGUIx::Asset::import { my $pkg = shift; $pkg->belongs_to( "the asset table"); $pkg->belongs_to( "the assetData table"); } | 04:57 |
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| perigrin | hmm | 04:57 |
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| perigrin | I might do that in BUILD ... or ask in #dbix-class | 04:58 |
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| perigrin | that's a bit more evil than I feel comfortable rubber stamping :) | 04:58 |
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| perigrin | and my DBIC foo fails there | 04:58 |
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| @preaction | http://desert-island.me.uk:8888/perldoc/dbic-pod/DBIx/Class/Ordered.pod <- sweet, here's lineage and parent/child relationships already set up for me | 05:12 |
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| @preaction | i'm not gonna do my evil right now, it can always be added later | 05:13 |
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| perigrin | the owner of that domain wuld be castaway on irc.perl.org | 06:54 |
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| perigrin | :) | 06:54 |
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| +SynQ | hmm | 12:16 |
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| +SynQ | the gotcha.txt could have been a bit more specific at the 'create config for pidfile' line :) | 12:16 |
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| +SynQ | but I found out | 12:16 |
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| +bartjol | well, put it in the wiki | 12:17 |
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| +bartjol | en webgui.nl ook al aangepasty voor de deomo versie zie ik] | 12:18 |
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| +bartjol | oops | 12:18 |
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| +SynQ | indeed | 12:39 |
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| +SynQ | demo.webgui.nl and demobeta.webgui.nl are up-to-date | 12:39 |
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| daviddelikat | bartjol: whats 'aangepasty'? | 13:46 |
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| +bartjol | changed | 13:58 |
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| +bartjol | daviddelikat: or adjusted is maybe better | 13:58 |
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| daviddelikat | thanks, babelfish didn't have a clue... | 13:59 |
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| +bartjol | I jsut enterd some Dutch by accident | 14:00 |
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| +bartjol | and I made a type-o | 14:00 |
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| +bartjol | it is aangepast | 14:00 |
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| daviddelikat | no problem, it livens the place up a abit.!!! | 14:00 |
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| daviddelikat | babelfish needs an interlanguage spell checker | 14:01 |
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| +bartjol | that would be convenient | 14:01 |
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| daviddelikat | I supose the more languages you add, the more likely any set of characters in a row is a valid word... | 14:02 |
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| +bartjol | but google does give a correction | 14:02 |
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| +bartjol | at least 10 more people made the type-o | 14:03 |
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| +bartjol | with the t and the y next to each other, I can imagine | 14:03 |
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| daviddelikat | where did you get the correction? | 14:04 |
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| daviddelikat | I just typed it into google translate and it just fed the word back | 14:04 |
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| +bartjol | just in a normal google search | 14:05 |
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| +bartjol | then it suggests aangepast | 14:05 |
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| +bartjol | but maybe because I'm in the Netherlands | 14:06 |
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| daviddelikat | no i get that too | 14:06 |
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| +bartjol | I get redirected to the dutch page | 14:06 |
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| daviddelikat | I also get lots of other stuff from your neck of the woods | 14:06 |
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| +bartjol | ? | 14:07 |
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| +bartjol | what kind of stuff | 14:07 |
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| daviddelikat | wikitionary with a bunch of dutch translation info | 14:07 |
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| daviddelikat | and a website named aangepast-lezen.nl | 14:08 |
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| daviddelikat | then a list of places where it is miss-spelled | 14:08 |
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| daviddelikat | all dutch text | 14:08 |
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| +bartjol | mm, I don't get the wikitionary | 14:09 |
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| +bartjol | well aangepast seems to be an exclusive dutch word | 14:09 |
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| CIA-53 | wgdev: Patrick Donelan exceptions * r69a76a5 / lib/WGDev/Command/Test.pm : | 15:18 |
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| CIA-53 | wgdev: Added coverOptions switch to test command | 15:18 |
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| CIA-53 | wgdev: The coverOptions switch allows users to customize the options passed | 15:18 |
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| CIA-53 | wgdev: to Devel::Cover. | 15:18 |
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| CIA-53 | wgdev: For example, if you want to get a coverage report of custom code with | 15:18 |
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| CIA-53 | wgdev: wg code excluded from the report, you could do something like: | 15:18 |
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| CIA-53 | wgdev: wgd test -C cover_db --coverOptions='+ignore,/data/WebGUI' t -r - http://bit.ly/JaqJY | 15:18 |
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| CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop exceptions * r7577273 / lib/WGDev/Command/Test.pm : Merge branch 'master' into exceptions - http://bit.ly/17WTTw | 15:18 |
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| CIA-53 | wgdev: Graham Knop exceptions * r5433d3f / (16 files in 7 dirs): | 15:18 |
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| CIA-53 | wgdev: Updated tests for new code. | 15:18 |
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| CIA-53 | wgdev: Also fixes an number of bugs found by tests. - http://bit.ly/4wmPHw | 15:18 |
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| daviddelikat | Haarg: can you point me to some WG code for testing a function that requires a login? | 15:21 |
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| @Haarg | WWW::Mechanize style code? | 15:22 |
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| @Haarg | or just using the api? | 15:22 |
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| daviddelikat | sorr, I found it just after I asked... | 15:22 |
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| @Haarg | no problem | 15:22 |
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| daviddelikat | its in _test.skel,mech | 15:22 |
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| daviddelikat | teach me to look first ask second | 15:22 |
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| @plainhao | morning, peeps | 15:55 |
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| @plainhao | anyone know why adminBar complains about getUiLevel missing from a SKU asset? | 15:56 |
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| +bartjol | plainhao: well, it does determine to show or not from theUI level | 15:57 |
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| +bartjol | I can understand it needs itr | 15:58 |
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| +bartjol | oh, and goodmorning | 15:58 |
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| +bartjol | plainhao: already discovered the problem? | 16:19 |
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| @plainhao | probably asset incompletely installed | 16:20 |
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| @plainhao | thanks, bartjol | 16:20 |
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| +bartjol | no problem | 16:21 |
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| daviddelikat | Haarg: how do I tell github that an issue is supposed to be tagged as a feature? | 16:21 |
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| +bartjol | mm, where do the default settings from the admin user come from | 16:51 |
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| +bartjol | when adding a site? | 16:51 |
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| +bartjol | or visitor for the same matter | 16:51 |
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| +bartjol | i don't see something special in addSite.pl neither a database that is copied | 16:52 |
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| +bartjol | morning kaleb | 16:58 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | hello bartjol, how's things? | 16:58 |
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| +bartjol | well, I'm fine | 16:59 |
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| +bartjol | my dual boot works fine, and my webgui on ubuntu too | 16:59 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | nice | 16:59 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | what are you dual booting? | 16:59 |
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| +bartjol | some Andre Hazes on the background | 16:59 |
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| +bartjol | windows xp an ubuntu 9.04 | 16:59 |
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| +bartjol | but now I want to change a default settin when adding a site | 17:00 |
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| +bartjol | so I'm reading code | 17:00 |
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| +bartjol | that ubuntu is mainly for the wuc, as I don't wanna be dependant on the wireless at the concourse hotel :( | 17:01 |
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| +bartjol | and for some nerd credits | 17:01 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | Diep in mijn hart | 17:01 |
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| +bartjol | de koek is op | 17:01 |
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| +bartjol | he was a real man of the people | 17:01 |
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| +bartjol | drank a lot of beer and ate sausages | 17:02 |
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| +bartjol | a lot of them | 17:02 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | Barring the language barrier he sounds like a country singer. | 17:02 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | The old school type | 17:02 |
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| +bartjol | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgd7okoz8fA | 17:03 |
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| +bartjol | they actually seem to eat all the three trays of sausages | 17:04 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | hah | 17:05 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | They looked like large enough fellows to do it | 17:05 |
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| +bartjol | he was, actually, the same as for Michael and Elvis, he still lives | 17:05 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | They share the same UFO? | 17:05 |
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| +bartjol | but do you know where the user preferences for languages are stored (so the setting for adding a site) | 17:06 |
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| +bartjol | UFO? maybe | 17:06 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | no idea where those preferences are stored. | 17:08 |
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| +bartjol | well, it is not a dumb question then... | 17:08 |
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| daviddelikat | is it possible that they are part of the database create script? | 17:09 |
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| +bartjol | yeah, I'm searching | 17:09 |
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| +bartjol | let's have a look | 17:09 |
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| daviddelikat | I found the insert for the group | 17:12 |
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| daviddelikat | and for Admin user | 17:14 |
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| +bartjol | ah | 17:14 |
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| +bartjol | it looks like create.sql | 17:14 |
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| +bartjol | in WebGUI/docs | 17:14 |
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| daviddelikat | what do you need to change? | 17:14 |
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| +bartjol | the language | 17:17 |
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| +bartjol | we have a dutch demo site | 17:17 |
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| +bartjol | demobeta.webgui.nl | 17:17 |
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| +bartjol | aaah | 17:21 |
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| +bartjol | mmm, so this will break during an upgrade | 17:23 |
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| +bartjol | that's a pity | 17:23 |
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| daviddelikat | perhaps there is part of the demo create that could be made to change it for you | 17:24 |
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| +bartjol | well, I can change the sql file that is used, but also that will be changed during upgrade | 17:24 |
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| +bartjol | well, maybe only during wre upgrade | 17:25 |
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| +bartjol | aah, indeed | 17:25 |
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| daviddelikat | I have an ide, I'll get back to you | 17:25 |
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| daviddelikat | s/ide/idea/ | 17:26 |
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| +bartjol | but, since it is the beta demo, assets get added, so it is better to change the sql file | 17:26 |
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| +bartjol | cool | 17:28 |
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| daviddelikat | the easy way would be to change WRE to update the Admin user inside WRE::Site::create | 17:30 |
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| daviddelikat | that way you would only loose it on WRE Upgrades like you said | 17:30 |
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| daviddelikat | the hard way would be to mod the WRE to allow plugins during site create | 17:31 |
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| +bartjol | yeah, create an alternate create.sql and use that in the wre | 17:31 |
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| daviddelikat | and then you could plugin the change you like and it would never go away. | 17:31 |
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| +bartjol | well, especially when newe tables are created in webgui itself | 17:31 |
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| daviddelikat | no need to change the create sql | 17:31 |
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| daviddelikat | just a simple update after the create runs | 17:32 |
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| +bartjol | aah like that | 17:32 |
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| +bartjol | update userProfileData set language="Dutch" where userId="1" or userId="3"; | 17:33 |
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| daviddelikat | another option which would be middle ground would be tro mod the WRE to allow for a language to be configured | 17:33 |
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| daviddelikat | exactly | 17:33 |
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| +bartjol | that choice would be awsome | 17:33 |
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| daviddelikat | personally I'd go for the plugin | 17:34 |
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| daviddelikat | because it is most versatile | 17:34 |
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| daviddelikat | can you make the change for the simple update? | 17:34 |
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| @plainhao | bartjol, the sku asset was using a missing cpan module | 17:37 |
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| +bartjol | sure, I can work that out daviddelikat | 17:38 |
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| +bartjol | maybe not today | 17:38 |
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| daviddelikat | plainhao: what module was missing? | 17:38 |
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| @plainhao | well, this particular one was using JSON::Any, so i just installed it, it's not a core sku | 17:38 |
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| daviddelikat | bartjol: ok, I'm going to bring up the ideas to JT and others for consideration | 17:38 |
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| mducharme | if you wanted a site to automatically get certain templates and assets when it was created, would those have to go into the create.sql file? | 17:38 |
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| +bartjol | cool | 17:39 |
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| +bartjol | well, if it standard, there should be a coupling between the i18n site and the wre | 17:39 |
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| +bartjol | "choose which languages you want to install" | 17:39 |
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| +bartjol | and during adding a site "choose admin and visitor language" | 17:40 |
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| +bartjol | it is not that hard to install a language | 17:40 |
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| +bartjol | and since there are only 2 languages complete | 17:40 |
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| +bartjol | that might be a function that promises a lot and brings too little | 17:41 |
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| +bartjol | not that I can help it, Dutch translation is finished | 17:41 |
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| daviddelikat | mducharme: that too could go into the WRE::Site::create | 17:41 |
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| daviddelikat | but that would be a good support for adding a plugin system | 17:41 |
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| mducharme | daviddelikat: because we are a school division kinda, wanting to do website hosting for our schools.. I wanted to make a template site, like the webgui default one, but customized for a school's needs... | 17:42 |
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| +bartjol | well the currnet poll is abou the templates from the bazaar | 17:42 |
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| daviddelikat | mducharme: the simple thing would be to insert code into WRE::site::create that would install the packages after everything else is done. | 17:44 |
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| daviddelikat | you could also disable or modify any other options to get the site to do exactly what you want. ( apart from style which I think you can already specify ) | 17:45 |
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| daviddelikat | as a plugin, you would create modules for the bits you want to change and insert them into the WRE code area | 17:47 |
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| +bartjol | well, I added a forum post | 18:05 |
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| +bartjol | not an rfe yet | 18:05 |
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| +bartjol | mmm, how many different threads are there on the fora on the new site? | 18:17 |
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| +bartjol | hey, it's tha man!, goodmorning | 18:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | howdy, bartjol | 18:50 |
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| +bartjol | I finally have a respectable OS on my laptop | 18:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | which one? | 18:52 |
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| +bartjol | ubuntu desktop 9.04 | 18:52 |
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| +bartjol | ok ok, it does have a GUI | 18:53 |
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| +bartjol | and irritating sounds at starup | 18:53 |
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| +bartjol | but still | 18:53 |
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| +bartjol | the silence is deafening (which, by chance is also a Napalm death song) | 18:56 |
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| * perlDreamer is stunned that you didn't pick Fedora :) | 18:56 |
| +bartjol | well, the day that all nerds agree on the best linux distro will also be the day that the universe collapses | 18:57 |
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| +bartjol | well I have debian experience | 18:58 |
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| +bartjol | so I choose to stay close | 18:58 |
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| +bartjol | well, it is time, enjoy yourselves gossiping on bu bad OS choice ;) | 19:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ: It is in bad taste to file a bug within 24 hours of a release | 19:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's like not tipping the waiter | 19:13 |
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| @preaction | i say we string him up by his toenails | 19:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | I haven't been to a toenail stringin' in years! | 19:15 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12022 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (gotcha.txt changelog/7.x.x.txt): Make the recent spectre gotcha text more user friendly. | 19:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: I'd like to add an environment variable for gating Mech tests, WEBGUI_LIVE. You okay with the concept? | 19:26 |
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| @preaction | yes, but we might be getting rid of mech tests in favor of selenium tests | 19:27 |
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| @preaction | which will use a selenium RC on smoke.plainblack.com | 19:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | why can't we have both? | 19:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | no need to rewrite a dozen or more tests | 19:27 |
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| @preaction | because the mech tests suck | 19:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, for offline testing, I still think we need a switch, or ENV variable | 19:28 |
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| @preaction | yeah | 19:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, the YUI bug related to Opera was fixed yesterday! | 19:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | fix is scheduled for release in 2.8 | 19:34 |
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| @Haarg | nice | 19:34 |
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| @Haarg | is it something we can backport? | 19:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | I was hoping you'd say that :) | 19:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | Yes it is | 19:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://github.com/yui/yui2/commit/431ad63b4cab6baaeebfd4a399b67aaf8e24fce2 | 19:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's a 1 line fix, in several files | 19:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | ooohhhh. I like the looks of Test::LongString | 19:43 |
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| @preaction | Haarg, perlDreamer: have we installed daviddelikat's helpdesk changes yet? Any reason why I can't do that today or tomorrow? | 20:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | I haven't installed them | 20:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | We were delaying due to template worries | 20:15 |
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| @preaction | ah | 20:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | Need to make sure that the site templates are folded back into the core HelpDesk ones | 20:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm, testing this XML encoding stuff is difficult | 20:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | XML::Simple decodes the entities that I want to compare against | 20:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | and there doesn't appear to be a way to turn it off | 20:18 |
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| perigrin | try XML::LibXML::Simple ? | 20:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | perigrin, adding new libraries to WebGUI is a non-trivial process | 20:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | although I do get more latitude in tests... | 20:40 |
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| perigrin | perlDreamer: ahh I didn't see this was going into WebGUI | 20:41 |
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| perigrin | XML::Simple is a horrible way to parse XML though :) | 20:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | no disagreement there | 20:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's also a horrible way to encode XML | 20:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | Maybe we should have a WebGUI 8 goal of embracing and using top of class modules | 20:42 |
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| @preaction | i agree with that, starting with DBIx::Class | 20:43 |
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| @preaction | and Moose | 20:43 |
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| * perlDreamer hands preaction a petard | 20:43 |
| perigrin | *cough*Task::Kensho*cough* | 20:43 |
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| * perigrin is biased | 20:43 |
| @preaction | you don't have Test::Deep in there? | 20:44 |
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| perigrin | I think it's a dep for something else | 20:44 |
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| perigrin | but it should be in there and will be in the next release | 20:45 |
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| perigrin | :) | 20:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | some people like Test::Differences better than Test::Deep | 20:45 |
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| perigrin | Task::Kensho is much more controlled by my whim than Task::EPO-EC will be | 20:46 |
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| perigrin | I'll ask the EPO-EC advisors about Test::Differences vs Test::Deep | 20:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | I like how Test::Differences does diff's against strings | 20:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | but I like Test::Deep's structure comparison tools better | 20:48 |
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| perigrin | could there be a unification somewhere? | 20:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | perhaps, but they have different "core values" | 20:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | T::Deep is really for objects/data structures, and does it well | 20:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | T::Diff seems to be more about differences in strings, rather than data structures | 20:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | although it will do them as well | 20:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | but I don't think you can easily tell T::Diff: Only consider these keys, array elements and classes | 20:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's where T::Deep shines | 20:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | and a strong amount of the above is just my opinion, and lack of experience with T::Diff | 20:53 |
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| perigrin | I've never used it ... so I'll have to rely upon others to vouch for it | 20:57 |
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| perigrin | I really need to get myself organized and build a Task::EPO-EC dist | 20:57 |
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| @preaction | i like Test::Deep because it can test a huge data structure all at once, no matter what it contains | 20:57 |
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| @preaction | you can make sure a value matches a regular expression, doesn't match some other regular expression, is unique in the array, and has a method that returns a certain value all at once | 20:58 |
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| * perigrin nods ... uses it to test large ass report strucutres | 20:59 |
| perigrin | I think Moose uses it too ... and there are examples in teh Moose test suite for setting up TypeConstraints with it. | 20:59 |
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| * perlDreamer goes to the gym | 21:01 |
| * Socrates goes to the fridge | 21:01 |
| * perlDreamer would like to join Socrates | 21:01 |
| Socrates | :) | 21:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | whatcha got in there? | 21:01 |
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| Socrates | grolsch ofcourse | 21:02 |
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| Socrates | but i think i'm gonna get a diet coke, it's not weekend yet after all | 21:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm, grolsch has no sugar, or fat | 21:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | and it has alcohol, which in limited amounts is beneficial to the digestion and liver | 21:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | sounds like health food to me! | 21:03 |
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| Socrates | try doing a run on the treadmill and stuffing a beer in the cupholder, see what the reactions of ppl at the gym are :) | 21:03 |
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| Socrates | but it's health food! | 21:03 |
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| perigrin | not nearly as nice as they are when it's a fifth of jack | 21:03 |
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| Socrates | urgh, jack, that's only good enough to clean the windows with... | 21:04 |
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| Socrates | oban, lagavullin, or laphroaigh | 21:04 |
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| perigrin | Talisker. | 21:04 |
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| Socrates | hmmm talisker is ok too | 21:04 |
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| * perigrin has been to the Talisker distillery ... and past the Dalwhinny and Glen Moraigne | 21:05 |
| perigrin | unfortunately always on a sunday. | 21:05 |
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| Socrates | perigrin: pitch a tent and wait :) | 21:05 |
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| perigrin | I had to work on mondays | 21:06 |
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| Socrates | hmm, all this talk of whisky, i'm gonna get a glass | 21:07 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | oh sweetness! HTML5 video: http://en-us.www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.5.2/whatsnew/ | 22:47 |
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| +SynQ | perlDreamer: are you still around? | 23:04 |
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| +SynQ | I would rather see it as a compliment that I filed the bug directly | 23:05 |
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| +SynQ | more like tipping the waiter | 23:05 |
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| +SynQ | plus, I included the fix right away | 23:05 |
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| +SynQ | o dear | 23:13 |
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| +SynQ | now I have to react to JT's post about the new style | 23:13 |
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| @preaction | i like the new nav, it works for me now that i'm used to it | 23:13 |
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| +SynQ | i agree | 23:13 |
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| @preaction | when i'm a content manager, i go to Use. when i'm a server admin, i go to Admin, when i'm developing, i go to Develop | 23:14 |
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| mducharme-work | new style? | 23:14 |
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| +SynQ | there are some points made by 'Trex' who is a newcomer for me | 23:14 |
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| @preaction | webgui.org's new design and layout | 23:14 |
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| +SynQ | that need to be adressed | 23:14 |
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| +SynQ | and that haven't | 23:14 |
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| +SynQ | search is not working well | 23:14 |
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| +SynQ | it's hard to 'keep up with what is new' | 23:14 |
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| mducharme-work | I'd like it a bit better if it worked with firefox 2.x... | 23:14 |
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| @preaction | those are technical hurdles that we can overcome | 23:15 |
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| mducharme-work | everything looks wonky when I go to webgui.org with firefox 2.x.. | 23:15 |
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| +SynQ | mducharme-work: I find backward compatibility not an issue | 23:15 |
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| +SynQ | preaction: but they should be adressed | 23:15 |
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| +SynQ | and when someone brings them up in a forum post they should be adressed there too | 23:15 |
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| @preaction | yes, especially re: the bazaar and the wiki | 23:15 |
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| @preaction | the problem is time, we don't have it. we want to have it, and that may be the best topic of discussion during the pres' meeting is how everyone can chip in for webgui.org | 23:16 |
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| @preaction | well, at least a good topic | 23:16 |
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| mducharme-work | hrm | 23:17 |
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| mducharme-work | the home page is taller than it was before | 23:17 |
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| mducharme-work | there are now three menus one above the other "cms resources" "plain black corporation" and "webgui features" | 23:17 |
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| @preaction | yeah, and the dashboard is apparently getting overhauled or something along those lines to provide a nice home page | 23:18 |
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| mducharme-work | with a big blank white space to the right | 23:18 |
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| mducharme-work | ahh in IE there are side by side, I guess it's another display problem.. | 23:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ: as usual, I'm just teasing about the bug ;) | 23:37 |
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| +SynQ | go ahead | 23:37 |
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| +SynQ | tease | 23:37 |
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| +SynQ | I'll bite | 23:37 |
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| * perlDreamer wonders why we can't still have unified forums and wikis, and just link to nice landing pages for each one from subject specific areas. | 23:39 |
| +SynQ | perlDreamer: I say join in | 23:40 |
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| +SynQ | and reply to the discussion | 23:40 |
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| +SynQ | but I advise you to wait for 30 more minutes | 23:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's what I said in the bug | 23:40 |
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| +SynQ | as I post mine | 23:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | gotcha | 23:40 |
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| mducharme-work | I really do not understand the current wiki implementation | 23:49 |
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| mducharme-work | webgui itself is really very much like a wiki | 23:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | mducharme-work: It is, but keyword based autolinking, comments on every page, and other features are not so desirable across the board. | 23:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | also, Wiki's are flat (currently) | 23:51 |
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| +SynQ | ok | 23:52 |
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| +SynQ | submitted :) | 23:52 |
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| +SynQ | http://www.webgui.org/develop/forum/new-site-navigation | 23:52 |
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| mducharme-work | it could be an option for articles to enter them in wiki formatting instead of WYSIWYG.. it could be parsed and linked to the appropriate pages when camelcase... | 23:55 |
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| mducharme-work | if there was the ability to do articles with wiki codes, there would probably not be a need for a wiki wobject..... | 00:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | you also need the tag cloud | 00:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | comments | 00:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's almost a wiki replacement | 00:11 |
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| mducharme-work | the comments could be a property that could be turned off or on... | 00:18 |
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| mducharme-work | and the tag cloud could be accomplished by using metadata... | 00:19 |
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| mducharme-work | or by making a new property | 00:19 |
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| mducharme-work | I just don't understand the logic behind the way it is currently designed....... | 00:23 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12024 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt gotcha.txt): Forward port more descriptive gotcha text. | 00:24 |
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| +SynQ | how do you like www.webgui.nl ? | 01:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | it needs gears ;) | 01:03 |
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| +SynQ | uh huh | 01:03 |
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| +SynQ | it couldn't be more 'texty' | 01:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe it needs purple octopus | 01:06 |
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| +SynQ | perhaps | 01:07 |
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| +SynQ | somewhere small | 01:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, unobtrusive and present | 01:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | kind of like test writers | 01:10 |
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| +SynQ | unobtrusive? | 01:12 |
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| +SynQ | test writers are always very obtrusive are they not? | 01:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | I find they talk too much. | 01:13 |
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| +SynQ | both irl and on irc? | 01:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | at least on irc | 01:15 |
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| +SynQ | hehe | 01:18 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12026 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Forward port XML encoding for template based RSS feeds in the Gallery. | 01:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | read the gotchas file, SDuensin | 02:28 |
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| SDuensin | Wasn't in the one I just downloaded, perlDreamer :-P | 02:29 |
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| SDuensin | I did find it in the bug tracker. Commented on it. | 02:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | not in the gotchas file? | 02:29 |
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| SDuensin | I'll double-check. | 02:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/163043 | 02:30 |
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| SDuensin | That's what I got. | 02:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | so, it _was_ in the gotchas? | 02:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | I hate the 5:30 shutdown | 03:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | how in the world do you get versionTags that don't match any assets? | 03:56 |
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| @Haarg | you can certainly manually create a version tag, but i doubt people do that very often | 03:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | I've been looking at: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10316 | 03:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | CMSmatrix missing version tag bug | 03:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | every asset has a version tag in the assetVersionTag table | 03:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | but there are 4000 tags in assetVersionTag that don't belong to any asset | 03:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | as determined by select tagId from assetVersionTag where tagId not in (select distinct(tagId) from assetData); | 04:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | only other thing I can think of is to start mining the inbox table for pending commit messages, and start checking them one by one to see what's up | 04:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | looking for some kind of pattern as to why they contain assets that don't exist | 04:01 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12029 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: Remove debug. | 05:25 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: the asset got deleted before the workflow finished perhaps? | 05:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | I thought of that, but that would require action by an admin. | 05:27 |
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| @preaction | the user can delete their own posts maybe? | 05:29 |
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| @preaction | i know we have that problem on the alumni site, users can delete their own photos (by design) | 05:29 |
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| @preaction | but the workflow remains | 05:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's unfortunate | 05:29 |
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| @preaction | though the version tag doesn't remain | 05:29 |
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| @preaction | yeah, what's unfortunate is that i proposed a fix and it didn't get implemented | 05:29 |
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| @preaction | because how do you stop a workflow mid-run? | 05:30 |
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| @preaction | cleanly and safely? | 05:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | you delete the instance, using spectre notify? | 05:31 |
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| @preaction | what if it was in the middle of doing something? | 05:31 |
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| @preaction | and had to return WAITING so that it got run again? | 05:31 |
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| * perlDreamer isn't familiar enough with spectre to know how it would react in that situation | 05:31 |
| @preaction | it would stop in the middle, with something half-done | 05:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | but if the versionTag goes away, you don't want it to do anything anymore | 05:32 |
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| @preaction | but if it's about to leave my data in an inconsistent state, i don't want it to do that | 05:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | in what case is there persistent data in an asset that is being deleted/purged? | 05:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | in this case, we're talking about articles, posts, gallery pictures | 05:34 |
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| @preaction | i don't know, and i don't even remember what reasoning JT gave me for why I couldn't fix it | 05:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | I see. sorry for the third party arguing | 05:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's awkwad | 05:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | awkward | 05:35 |
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| * perlDreamer takes a break to play with Tim, and to reflect on the problem. | 05:36 |
| @preaction | it might not be that, something else might be happening | 05:38 |
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| @preaction | perhaps the revision is being purged but not the version tag? | 05:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | doesn't sound like this bug | 06:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10316 | 06:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm, if he sees the screen, and it lists the assets, then they must exist | 06:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | but when he clicks on a link to see them, it says Page not found | 06:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: it's in the trash | 07:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | uncommitted posts in the trash | 07:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | now, let's see if I can duplicate that | 07:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | on a dev site | 07:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | tomorrow | 07:26 |
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| +SynQ | hmm | 12:56 |
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| +SynQ | who would like to hire half of a two node cluster based in chicago? :P | 12:57 |
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| +SynQ | for $750 a month | 13:00 |
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| SquOnk | Hi everyone | 16:45 |
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| SquOnk | Small bug... | 16:45 |
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| SquOnk | Line 76 of spectre | 16:45 |
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| SquOnk | "Unable to open ... for writing" should be " ... for reading" | 16:45 |
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| SquOnk | Ditto for line 80 | 16:45 |
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| SquOnk | (This is 7.6.34) | 16:46 |
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| +BartJol | did you report it? | 16:49 |
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| SquOnk | BartJol: Nope, just noticed it while doing other things | 16:49 |
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| +BartJol | ah | 16:50 |
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| SquOnk | I'm fixing the Debian package now that webgui properly uses a /var/run/spectre.pid... while looking at spectre's code it became obvious ;-) | 16:50 |
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| +BartJol | mmm, I'm trying to set up my voip phone | 16:51 |
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| Socrates | and you failed! | 16:58 |
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| +BartJol | luckily, I'm better at replacing bike tyres | 18:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | SquOnk! | 19:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | just the fellow that I needed to talk to | 19:14 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Howdy | 19:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | how do you pick versions of perl modules to use for the debian package? | 19:14 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Unless there's a need for a specific version, just naming it in control (if I understand what you're asking ;-) | 19:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, I was vague | 19:16 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I'll give two examples... | 19:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | yesterday, we decided that beta needs to track the perl modules in the latest WRE | 19:17 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: There's only one version of Color::Calc in Debian, so I have libcolor-calc-perl | 19:17 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: But there are several versions of Class::InsideOut. The one in Etch is too old to be useful, so I restrict to the newer ones having libclass-insideout-perl (>= 1.06) | 19:18 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: APT takes care of the rest. | 19:18 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Every time I update the package, I run testEnvironment to assess new requirements | 19:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, that makes sense | 19:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | this is the URL to the latest URL for testEnvironment.pl, which will be used when 7.7 becomes stable | 19:19 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Sometimes they are valid (like needing a specific version) so I go and check if the specific version or an older one is available. | 19:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/checkout/WebGUI/sbin/testEnvironment.pl?rev=12035 | 19:19 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Sometimes they're not valid. For instance, checkEnvironment wants some module at versión X, Debian has version Y (Y < X), but after comparing those versions there's no functional difference. | 19:20 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: So I ignore checkEnvironment complaint :-) | 19:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | cool. I just don't you to be surprised when there's a whole new raft of requirements | 19:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | there was a bug posted about particular versions of DBD-mysql and DBI | 19:20 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I see. | 19:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | they were greater than our minimum requirements, and so were technically valid | 19:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | so we decided to make the requirements those that we test with all the time, based on the WRE | 19:21 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: And that would be a sound decision. | 19:21 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: If it works, don't fix it. | 19:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, so long as we don't make your job a living nightmare :) | 19:22 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Not at all | 19:22 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: In fact, I'm working so the Debian package becomes as useful as the WRE. | 19:23 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: The next package (7.6.34) due this weekend, will have additional indexing tools enabled (for PDF, OO files and the like). | 19:23 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: And since spectre now uses /var/run, the init script won't be the hack I came up with, but an LSB-based Debian standard (so it becomes splash screen compliant ;-) | 19:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's good | 19:24 |
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| SquOnk | bbl - errands | 19:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: re the new i18n downloads bug, is there any reason we couldn't drop the extra subdirectory in the tarfile? | 19:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/10730 | 19:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | I know this issue has come up before | 19:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't remember the justificiation for current behavior | 19:49 |
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| @Haarg | we could. it's generally considered bad form to have a tarball extract to the current directory though. | 19:50 |
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| @Haarg | instead of a subdirectory | 19:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | I see where that makes sense for source code, but I think this users's perspective is that it should unpack right into lib/WebGUI/i18n | 19:56 |
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| Socrates | urgh, do NOT extract to current dir from tarbal please | 20:48 |
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| Socrates | not that i have anything to say about it from a webgui standpoint, but as a systems admin i just hate it when that happens | 20:48 |
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| Socrates | because you always want to extract and see what it is in your home dir, and i hate it when that suddenly fills up with stuff i didn't want there :) | 20:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | sounds like a procedural issue | 20:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe we should just recommend that people use --strip-components | 20:53 |
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| Socrates | if i unpak file 'myname.tar.gz' i assume it'll unpack to the directory myname/* | 20:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | that would make everyone happy | 20:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | instructions on how to skip it when installing | 20:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | but a "well-mannered" tar file | 20:54 |
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| @preaction | Haarg: what isn't safe about using "wgd import" on a production system? i'm thinking of writing some wrappers using "export" and "import" to create diffs and apply patches | 21:04 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: amhhenry * r12040 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed version tag modes bug #10689 | 21:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | Nice work, AMH_henry! | 21:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | It even comes with tests! | 21:14 |
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| AMH_henry | wlc | 21:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll backport that to 7.6, and then the bug can be closed | 21:15 |
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| AMH_henry | fix is committed to 7.6 too | 21:15 |
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| AMH_henry | actually, i did 7.6 first | 21:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | you did. | 21:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | Its odd that CIA didn't catch that | 21:17 |
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| AMH_henry | it did.. the fix was committed a few hours ago | 21:18 |
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| * perlDreamer considers some caffiene | 21:19 |
| AMH_henry | Needed time to setup a 7.7 virtual machine for testing. | 21:19 |
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| * AMH_henry need to get some sleep... it's already 2 am! | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks again, AMH_henry | 21:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | crash out | 21:22 |
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| AMH_henry | wlc. see ya later | 21:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | If I want to create a javascript event, do I have to use YUI.Event to do that? | 21:37 |
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| @preaction | create a new event to add a listener to? | 21:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | I need something that works like onDOMready, so I can toggle off TinyMCE | 22:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | onload is too early | 22:31 |
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| @preaction | what about on dom ready? | 22:31 |
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| @Haarg | preaction, the only thing unsafe about 'wgd import' on a production system is having it on a production system | 22:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: isn't that a YUI event? My Javascript book doesn't list that as a default DOM event | 22:34 |
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| @Haarg | wgd has lots of destructive commands that are really easy to trigger, so it makes me nervous that it would be on a server | 22:34 |
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| @Haarg | it is a yui event, yes | 22:35 |
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| @Haarg | onload is too early though? | 22:35 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: it is a yui event, yes. load yahoo-dom-event | 22:35 |
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| @Haarg | usually ondomready happens before onload | 22:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have the new, improved TinyMCE toggle almost all done | 22:35 |
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| @preaction | onload is after everything on the page is done loading | 22:35 |
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| @preaction | including images | 22:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's only missing one thing, and that is turning off TinyMCE by default, when "ask" is true | 22:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | what I really need, is for TinyMCE to tell me when it's done | 22:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I think I've found it | 22:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | init_instance_callback is a custom callback for each instance after it becomes initialized | 22:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | if I can get from the editor instance back to the id of the textarea, that will solve everything | 22:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | will it cause problems if I create the same function multiple times? | 22:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh, that's funny | 22:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | now I have a TinyMCE that can never be enabled | 22:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | init_instance_callback happens everytime you enable the editor | 22:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | I got it working! | 23:21 |
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| elnino | oh. is this wuc time? I'm bummed I'm not there. | 23:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's not the WUC yet, elnino. | 23:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | Not 'til next month | 23:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | How is your new baby doing? | 23:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | works on FF on Vista | 23:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | now, how 'bout IE? | 23:31 |
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| elnino | perldreamer | 23:32 |
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| elnino | opps | 23:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, elnino? | 23:32 |
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| elnino | =) baby is doing fine. He's great. | 23:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | awesome! | 23:32 |
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| elnino | good eater, good pooper, good sleeper, what else can I ask for? | 23:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | self-changing? | 23:32 |
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| elnino | big sister loves him too. | 23:32 |
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| @preaction | can program Perl? | 23:32 |
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| elnino | oh. That would be nice, wouldn't it. | 23:33 |
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| elnino | that too. | 23:33 |
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| elnino | lol | 23:33 |
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| @preaction | start him on computers early | 23:33 |
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| * preaction has been on computers since 2 | 23:33 |
| elnino | punch cards? | 23:33 |
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| elnino | sorry, couldn't resist. | 23:33 |
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| elnino | you're probably my age. | 23:33 |
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| @preaction | i'm 26. it was an ACE1000 (an Apple IIe clone) | 23:34 |
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| @preaction | also an Atari ST | 23:34 |
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| elnino | oh geez. i'm way older than you. | 23:35 |
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| * elnino sad. | 23:35 |
| +perlDreamer | it works in IE, too | 23:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | something is really wrong | 23:35 |
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| dreamersgirl | Hi elnino! | 23:35 |
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| dreamersgirl | I hear congratulations are in order!!! | 23:36 |
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| elnino | yes. Thanks! | 23:36 |
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| dreamersgirl | gonna miss you at the WUC this year... | 23:36 |
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| elnino | oh thanks. I realy had fun meeting you all last year. | 23:37 |
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| elnino | you all are a fun group. I was bummed I couldn't spend more time with the group. | 23:38 |
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| * elnino is stepping away. | 23:39 |
| dreamersgirl | it is a fun group | 23:39 |
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| +SynQ | dreamersgirl: hi! | 23:39 |
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| +SynQ | I hear you are not coming over the whole wuc | 23:39 |
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| dreamersgirl | i can only go for friday this year--it's the boys' first week of school | 23:40 |
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| +SynQ | ah | 23:40 |
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| dreamersgirl | hi SynQ! | 23:40 |
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| +SynQ | that is understandable | 23:40 |
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| dreamersgirl | You'll be there, won't you? | 23:40 |
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| +SynQ | most definately | 23:40 |
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| +SynQ | and I'll bring Bart and Jan | 23:40 |
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| @preaction | yay Bart! | 23:40 |
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| @preaction | no Rogier? | 23:41 |
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| +SynQ | rogier is not in my company | 23:41 |
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| +SynQ | nor is Martin or Rory | 23:41 |
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| @preaction | or is that Arjan's minion? | 23:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | Rogier works for UK | 23:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | Who is Jan? | 23:41 |
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| +SynQ | indeed | 23:41 |
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| +SynQ | Jan is my most senior guy | 23:41 |
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| +SynQ | I have known him since 1996 and he is a ProcoliX employee since 2005 i think | 23:42 |
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| +SynQ | not sure | 23:42 |
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| +SynQ | have to look that up | 23:42 |
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| +SynQ | but | 23:43 |
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| +SynQ | I just wanted to say hi to the dreamersgirl :) | 23:43 |
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| dreamersgirl | :) How's your little one doing? | 23:44 |
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| +SynQ | she is sleeping just now | 23:44 |
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| dreamersgirl | You'll have to bring pics | 23:44 |
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| +SynQ | I will | 23:44 |
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| +SynQ | and video | 23:44 |
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| +SynQ | she is doing great btw | 23:44 |
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| +SynQ | eating fruits and veggies | 23:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | can she sing the Badger song yet? | 23:44 |
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| dreamersgirl | is she that big already? | 23:44 |
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| dreamersgirl | NOooooooooooooooooooo | 23:44 |
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| +SynQ | 6 months and 4 days | 23:44 |
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| dreamersgirl | not the Badger song | 23:44 |
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| dreamersgirl | our boys sang it for months! | 23:45 |
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| +SynQ | no wait 6 months and 5 days already | 23:45 |
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| +SynQ | she cannot sing the badgerbadgerbadgerbadger mushroom song yet | 23:45 |
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| dreamersgirl | give her time... | 23:45 |
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| +SynQ | but she can say 'naynaynaynaynay' | 23:45 |
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| +SynQ | when something is not right :) | 23:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | which editor does she use? | 23:46 |
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| +SynQ | vi of course | 23:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | I knew you'd bring her up right | 23:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | perl 5.10.1 RC1 is out | 00:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | they're asking for testers | 00:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://www.shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/test-the-rc-test-the-rc-test-the-rc/ | 00:58 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12041 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Redo the "ask user about TinyMCE" so that it works on FF on Windows. | 00:59 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12042 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Forward porting TinyMCE ask user fix for FF browsers on Windows. | 00:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, what do you think about passing a callback to Mail::Send instead of second group to check? | 01:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | that way, assets can do complex checks, like canView for sending emails to subscribed users | 01:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | mducharme, LDAP relabeling is happening right now | 02:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | if you have a chance, please double check things after the next Tuesday release | 02:35 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, re: Mail::Send callback, the problem i see with that is that the group expansion happens when the workflow runs, some time after it gets added. seems like it involve a lot of complexity to set up something that would work well for a callback diven that. | 04:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | true | 04:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam, ping | 04:33 |
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| +patspam | pong | 04:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think I'm missing something about your bug | 04:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | Let me repeat what I think the problem is, then tell me what I'm missing, okay? | 04:33 |
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| +patspam | sure | 04:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | my $u1 = WebGUI::User->create($session); | 04:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | my $u2 = WebGUI::User->new($session, $u1->userId); | 04:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | $u1->profileField('alias', 'Jonesy'); | 04:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | $u2->profileField('alias', 'Tommy'); | 04:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | my $u3 = WebGUI::User->new($session, $u1->userId); | 04:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | diag $u3->profileField('alias'); # Tommy | 04:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | diag $u1->profileField('alias'); #Jonesy | 04:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | the problem being that $u1's internal object cache is out of date whenever an duplicate object is created. | 04:36 |
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| +patspam | yep, I agree it's reasonable to expect wg to keep checking the db on every object access | 04:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | Is that DBIx::Class/Moose kind of behavior? | 04:37 |
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| +patspam | not sure, I haven't used them | 04:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | Nothing in WebGUI works that way. | 04:37 |
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| +patspam | but I think that ORMs like Hibernate would return the same object when you reinstantiate | 04:37 |
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| @preaction | i don't think DBIx::Class will do that, unless you explicitly mark it as dirty | 04:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | but which same object? | 04:38 |
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| +patspam | same user object | 04:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | $u1, or $u2/$u3? | 04:38 |
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| +patspam | they would all point to same memory address | 04:38 |
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| @preaction | i thought we used stow for that | 04:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | In our current design, $u1 has no way of knowing that the db was changed from underneath it | 04:39 |
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| @preaction | because it's not the exact same object as $u2 | 04:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | We can ask about that in wG8, but I think the short answer for now is probably going to be "Don't do that" | 04:40 |
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| @preaction | but if you $session->stow->set( "user_" . $userId => $userObject ); and get it on retrieval... | 04:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: that fixes User, but leaves Asset, Group, VersionTag, ProfileField, ProfileCategory, Ad, AdSpace and every other package with the same problem. | 04:41 |
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| +patspam | I was musing that maybe the 8.x memcached implementation will do that for us automaticaly? | 04:41 |
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| +patspam | I haven't used it before, but that's something I'd want from an automagic caching layer | 04:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | afaik, the only plan for memcached is to replace Cache::File and Cache::Database, not to emulate singleton behavior | 04:43 |
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| +patspam | can you think of any reason why we wouldn't want singleton behaviour though? apart from the pain of implementing it.. | 04:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | massive memory usage | 04:45 |
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| @Haarg | i don't think you'd be able to use memcached for that | 04:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | I've never seen this happen, patspam. Can you tell me more about the system that this happens in? | 04:46 |
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| +patspam | I'm not sure it'd have to be massive memory usage? if you weaken the object reference in your cache, it would still be garbage collected as per normal when the in-code references go out of scope, and you'd save memory for the $u1, $u2, $u3 situation | 04:47 |
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| +patspam | well, Hibernate is one example from the Java world | 04:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | I mean, in what part of WebGUI is this happening? | 04:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | as to weakening, it seems like you have to keep one copy of any object that has been instanced, in memory all the time. Until the end of the session. | 04:50 |
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| @preaction | no, the copy in the session would disappear when any other pieces of code stop referencing it. causing it to be reloaded from the database | 04:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, that's right. | 04:51 |
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| @Haarg | preaction, another thought about wgd on a server: http://github.com/haarg/wgdev/issues#issue/9 | 05:24 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12043 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm: Fix some broken i18n, Select in Post. | 05:30 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12044 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm: Fix broken Post i18n. | 05:30 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12045 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/AuthLDAP.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Relabel LDAP to use more familiar terms. | 05:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | having resurrected 1 dead laptop, I'm going to take a break | 05:32 |
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| @preaction | Haarg: sounds reasonable | 05:34 |
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| * preaction is writing out the e-mail that will hand everything off to Frank! | 05:38 |
| @preaction | Come Monday I will be on R&D! | 05:38 |
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| @preaction | that means me fixing bugs! yay! | 05:38 |
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| @Haarg | i just finally got my replacement hard drive so i can fix my desktop | 05:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | Kathy upgraded her laptop, and it killed the GRUB install. | 06:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | I've been working on and off all day to repair it | 06:41 |
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| @preaction | nice | 06:43 |
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| @preaction | time to try Ubuntu! | 06:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | no time | 06:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | you're coming to R&D just in time to fix some 7.6 bugs :) | 06:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: as your humble servant, allow me to suggest one for you | 06:54 |
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| @preaction | i refuse to fix map bugs | 06:54 |
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| @preaction | or calendar bugs | 06:54 |
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| @preaction | or gallery bugs | 06:54 |
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| @preaction | or any bug in any piece of code i've written | 06:55 |
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| @preaction | because any bug in any piece of code i've written is obviously a misinterpreted feature | 06:55 |
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| @preaction | MIEN CODE DIS PERFECT! | 06:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm no map, calendar, or gallery bugs... | 06:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | how about this one, then: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10189 | 06:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | I already fixed all the posted calendar bugs | 06:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | and a handful of gallery bugs | 06:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | surely you wouldn't begrudge me 1 leetle gallery bug, too? | 06:57 |
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| @preaction | ... FINE... | 06:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9595 | 06:57 |
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| @preaction | heh nice | 06:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | you'd rather work on the survey IE6 bug? | 06:58 |
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| @preaction | i'll probably do what i always do, start from the bottom of the bug list | 06:58 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12046 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/AuthLDAP.pm): Forward port LDAP relabeling. | 07:27 |
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| +SynQ | oeh | 16:44 |
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| +SynQ | preaction in R&D | 16:44 |
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| +SynQ | time to pick up my "let's see how I can break the stable version" hat | 16:45 |
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| +SynQ | hmm | 23:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ: ping | 05:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | I really don't think you're on tonight... | 05:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'd like to test the new perl 5.10.1 release candidate out, against the WRE | 05:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I was hoping that with your knowledge of the build process you could help me make the process easy. | 05:28 |
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| mducharme | whee.. bathroom renovations finally almost done.. was able to have a shower in my own bathroom for the first time in a few weeks | 05:29 |
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| mducharme | though the contractors accidentally hooked up the hot to the cold and the cold to the hot, almost burned myself | 05:29 |
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| mducharme | hopefully that's an easy enough thing to fix | 05:30 |
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| +patspam | something weird happning with webgui.org passwords | 06:03 |
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| +patspam | ah, my guess is that the CSRF stuff is preventing password changes from happening | 06:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't think I outfitted those with CSRF, but I'll check. | 06:06 |
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| +patspam | submitted as #10737 | 06:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam, in the Account, password changes "seem" to work okay | 06:09 |
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| +patspam | no error, but my password doesn't changbve | 06:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | My passwords are working okay | 06:09 |
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| +patspam | hmm.. i tried in 3 different browsers too | 06:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | but you're right, on webgui.org, no password changes | 06:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | however, on my dev site it's working fine | 06:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | which means that it's not likely to be CSRF | 06:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll go mine the webgui.org logs | 06:11 |
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| +patspam | ah ok, glad you can reproduce it though | 06:11 |
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| +patspam | I've just switched over to using LastPass for password management, so I was going through changing all my website passwords to be unique, and got stuck at webgui.org | 06:11 |
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| +patspam | the whole perlmonks thing was a bit of a wake-up call | 06:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's definitely not CSRF | 06:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | I left a little debug snippet to indicate when it's being used | 06:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | this could be related to the other SSO bug | 06:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | what is LastPass? | 06:12 |
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| +patspam | lastpass.com | 06:13 |
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| +patspam | the browser integration is really slick | 06:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | have you checked out 5.10.1 rc1 yet, patspam? | 06:17 |
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| +patspam | not yet, another 3 weeks before i can play with toys again | 06:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | in 3 weeks is the WUC | 06:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | give or take | 06:18 |
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| +patspam | exactly! | 06:18 |
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| +patspam | project handover just before i leave the country | 06:18 |
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| +patspam | then i can get my life back | 06:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | you've been quite busy lately | 06:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | haven't seen you hanging in channel much | 06:19 |
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| +patspam | yeah, working insane hours atm | 06:19 |
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| +patspam | thankfully the end is in sight | 06:19 |
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| +patspam | sorry i haven't been able to help more with bugs either, I've only been able to look at ones that impact me directly | 06:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | no worries. We have most of them closed. | 06:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | and you've done great on the dual branch maintenance | 06:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | any thoughts on what to do for the pre-WUC hackathon? | 06:23 |
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| +patspam | as in, what to hack on? | 06:23 |
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| +patspam | or organising thing? | 06:23 |
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| +patspam | s | 06:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | more on what to hack on | 06:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | seems like with 8-12 uber-WebGUI hackers we could pull off something pretty cool | 06:26 |
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| +patspam | yeah, it's going to be so awesome | 06:26 |
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| +patspam | if nothing else grabs my attention I'm thinking about hacking on the WebGUI Padre plugin | 06:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe we could all chip in, and write the Blog wobject | 06:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | that'd be nice present for the attenders the next day | 06:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | 'Oh, by the way, yesterday we wrote a Blog wobject for 7.8' | 06:28 |
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| +patspam | yeah that'd be cool! I'm heading off for lunch, will chew over other ideas over coffee :) | 06:30 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12048 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Revision Event storage locations. | 07:38 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12049 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Backport Event storage location revisioning. | 07:51 |
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| @preaction | i'm down with trying to write the Blog asset, provided someone can come up with a spec for it | 08:11 |
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| @preaction | we'd need to be at least Wordpress | 08:11 |
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| @preaction | so RssAspect, Comments aspect, Trackbacks, Calendar, and Post-dating | 08:12 |
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| +patspam | preaction, if you have a sec, what does this return for you on your wre perl? perl -e 'use JSON; print JSON->backend' | 09:00 |
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| @preaction | JSON::XS | 09:00 |
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| +patspam | all of a sudden mine has started saying JSON:PP | 09:01 |
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| @preaction | weird | 09:01 |
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| +patspam | yeah, it totally kills performance for big survey instances | 09:02 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: patspam * r12050 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 09:39 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: Survey JSON performance warning for non-wre-standard JSON modules/versions | 09:39 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: If you have funny combinations of JSON, JSON::XS and JSON::PP installed, | 09:39 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: JSON can start deciding to use JSON::PP instead of JSON::XS, which equals | 09:39 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: bad performance on very large Survey instances. | 09:39 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: This commit adds a new warning to the Edit Survey page if JSON->backend | 09:39 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: is detected to be something other than JSON::XS. | 09:39 |
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| +BartJol | joh Synq | 22:27 |
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| +BartJol | SynQ: | 22:28 |
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| +SynQ | jo :) | 22:29 |
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| +BartJol | I didn't enable otr yet on ubuntu | 22:29 |
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| +SynQ | oh | 22:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | howdy, folks! | 00:23 |
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| daviddelikat | hiya | 00:23 |
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| daviddelikat | I'm trying to look at your IE JS issue, but my computers are giving me fits... | 00:24 |
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| +BartJol | evening | 00:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | computers are wont to do that | 00:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | howdy, BartJol | 00:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | Rory drinks tall beers | 00:25 |
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| +BartJol | he is? | 00:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | there is photographic evidence! | 00:25 |
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| +BartJol | aah | 00:25 |
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| +BartJol | where can I find that? | 00:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/promote/gooey-on-the-go/yapceu-2009-in-lisbon | 00:27 |
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| +BartJol | sure that gooey didn't drink those? | 00:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | swim in, perhaps | 00:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | rory looks nice and all, but I wouldn't chance drinking his beer | 00:29 |
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| +BartJol | because he will get angry when you take his beer? | 00:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh yeah | 00:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's the nice looking fellows who are usually the meanest | 00:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | take you, for example | 00:31 |
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| +BartJol | yeah, they make time for creating evil plans by looking nice and leave people in the dream | 00:31 |
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| +BartJol | am I that mena? only to tavis | 00:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't know if you're mean. I've never drank your beer. | 00:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | although, those home demolition pictures could be a good indication | 00:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | you have access to sledge hammers | 00:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | and know how to use them | 00:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | ekennedy: ping | 00:34 |
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| +BartJol | when you take my beer, I will get annoyed, but not enough to do plastic surgery with a sledgehammer | 00:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay | 00:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | I won't do it, anyway, but that's good to know. | 00:37 |
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| +BartJol | that's too quick | 00:38 |
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| +BartJol | normally I just use a piece of paper | 00:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | See! Mean, mean, mean. | 00:39 |
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| +BartJol | yeah, we're the mean lean Dutch team | 00:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | Bier drinking machines | 00:40 |
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| +BartJol | let's just hope Madison will be ready in a month | 00:41 |
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| @preaction | i don't think madison could ever prepare itself for the dutch invasion | 00:44 |
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| @preaction | they just kinda huddle in terror and try to ride the storm out | 00:44 |
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| +BartJol | aah, that was all the traffic jams on the other side of the roads | 00:44 |
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| +BartJol | so they got a warning | 00:45 |
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| @preaction | eh, the dutch folk ain't as bad as those west coast people. it'll take months to recover from those types | 00:46 |
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| @preaction | and don't get me started on the Aussies | 00:46 |
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| +BartJol | yeah and there're more coming from over there | 00:46 |
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| * BartJol thinks that they're jealous on our drinking capabilities | 00:47 |
| @preaction | you should bring some fresh beer, I would pay money | 00:49 |
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| @preaction | I tried some Guldendraak at YAPC::NA and it was the greatest thing I had ever tasted ever | 00:49 |
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| +BartJol | fersh Dutch beer? | 00:49 |
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| +BartJol | aah | 00:49 |
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| @preaction | or Belgium, something I can't get here | 00:49 |
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| @preaction | not even in Wisconsin. there's a half-decent beer pub in Madison, but that's the only one I've found | 00:50 |
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| +BartJol | well, I'm not sure on customs regulation | 00:50 |
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| @preaction | Samuel Smith is probably the most exotic beer within 100 miles of me | 00:50 |
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| @preaction | true, not asking for miracles. just if you want | 00:50 |
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| +BartJol | we'll see | 00:50 |
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| +BartJol | I like steenbrugge tripel | 00:51 |
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| @preaction | thanks | 00:51 |
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| +BartJol | or a poho | 00:51 |
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| +BartJol | witkap pater tripel is also a good one | 00:51 |
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| +BartJol | you can take alcohol from the airport in your personal bagage | 00:52 |
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| +BartJol | preaction: I see max 5 liter of spirits | 00:54 |
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| @preaction | that's quite a bit, one or two pints of beer would be fine by me | 00:55 |
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| +BartJol | well, it seems that that is legal | 00:56 |
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| @preaction | that's a little more than 1.5 liters probably (don't know the real conversion) | 00:56 |
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| +BartJol | 2 pints is about 1 liter | 00:56 |
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| @preaction | and whatever you got laying around will be fine, provided it's not american lager or whatever ;) | 00:57 |
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| @preaction | i'm gonna find that brew pub and i might organize a little soiree down that way | 00:57 |
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| +BartJol | sure you don't want bud? | 00:57 |
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| +BartJol | I also got some homebrewed beer | 00:57 |
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| @preaction | i can get squirrel pee fresh from the source if i want | 00:57 |
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| @preaction | oooooooh never tried that (but i've thought about doing some) | 00:58 |
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| +BartJol | allthough Sarah did not particularly seem to like that | 00:58 |
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| +BartJol | it is not that hard, just follow the recept | 00:58 |
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| +BartJol | and have some equipment | 00:59 |
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| @preaction | eh, i like all kinds of beer. i've drank some really nasty stuff (Natural Ice, Milwaukee's Best, Old Milwaukee), it can't be worse than those | 00:59 |
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| +BartJol | oh, wanna join us to the new glarus brewery? | 00:59 |
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| @preaction | sure! | 01:00 |
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| +BartJol | prolly on tuesday | 01:00 |
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| @preaction | Sounds good. I'll talk to Vrby and see what my hotel situation is going to be, otherwise i'll find a couch to crash on | 01:01 |
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| +BartJol | you can sleep with Koen in his hotel bed | 01:02 |
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| @preaction | nah, i don't want to make his wife jealous of all this ;) | 01:02 |
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| +BartJol | mmm, I think I should make a reservation and try to find designated drivers | 01:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | I heard you were sleeping in the trunk of JT's car, preaction | 01:25 |
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| @preaction | nah, they're not going all-out for me. i gotta bring my own refridgerator box | 01:26 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12051 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Macro/NewMail.pm): Backport a patch for NewMail macro which makes it work again. | 01:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | another bug bites the dust | 01:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | Nice picture, MrHairgrease | 02:02 |
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| +MrHairgrease | perlDreamer | 02:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hey | 02:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | just the guy I needed | 02:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | bon noite btw | 02:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | bon noite? | 02:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I have a bigass testing question for you pd | 02:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hang on | 02:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m4042b5dc | 02:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | lines 5-9 | 02:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | how do I test $self->session->request->headers_in->{Accept} eq 'application/json' | 02:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | You use WebGUI::PseudoRequest, I think | 02:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | let me read the code | 02:05 |
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| +MrHairgrease | bon noite eq 'good evening' | 02:05 |
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| +MrHairgrease | in Portugese of course =) | 02:06 |
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| +MrHairgrease | pseudo request only seems to have headers_out | 02:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm | 02:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe you should add headers_in? | 02:07 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah i coud try that | 02:07 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but | 02:07 |
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| +MrHairgrease | how does session know which request objecct it has? | 02:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | In your test, $session will already have a PseudoRequest object in the request slot | 02:08 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh | 02:08 |
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| @preaction | it doesn't care, if it cares then the PseudoRequest is doing it wrong | 02:08 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ok | 02:08 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12052 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Add patch to let Thingy workflows know which Thing they are working on. | 02:08 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i'll just add that then | 02:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | so you don't have to worry about hacking the session object to replace it, then | 02:09 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yes | 02:09 |
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| +MrHairgrease | great | 02:09 |
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| +MrHairgrease | coolio | 02:09 |
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| +MrHairgrease | bom | 02:09 |
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| +MrHairgrease | muito bom | 02:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: as MR&D, I think our first new project should be merging and extending that C-based Apache request object | 02:09 |
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| @preaction | our first project is getting 7.7 stable, that will be our only project until the WUC I suspect | 02:10 |
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| @preaction | if it means we spend some time increasing the test coverage of core APIs, that's a good way to spend some extra time | 02:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | what kind of module are you making, MrHairgrease? | 02:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | and how's the VIES workflow coming? | 02:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ: ping | 02:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | perldreamer: about the VIES module: oh crap, that thing again... I'll have it finished before the wuc and I'll buy you a beer for not doing it earlier | 02:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and buy myself two | 02:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ) | 02:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | =) | 02:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | ;) | 02:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and the thing I just posted | 02:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | Don't feel bad. | 02:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | I forgot to commit an appoved patch for 6 weeks | 02:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that's an idea I got at one of the yapc sessions | 02:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | so you are well within the limit | 02:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hat it does is this | 02:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | if you sent a specific Accept header | 02:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | more prcecisely 'application/json' | 02:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | in stead of a processed template | 02:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the var hash will be returned as json | 02:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | which is superduperwhizzbang handy for ajax stuff | 02:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I showed JT and he said I could put it still in, if only I wrote tests for it | 02:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | excellent | 02:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | so anything can be a JSON provider with this? | 02:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 02:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that's the beauty of it | 02:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | since everything eventually poops out templates | 02:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and the setMimeType method makes sure no html is outputted as well | 02:30 |
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| @preaction | 7.7.17 isn't released yet? | 02:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | no | 02:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | all 7.7 releases were put on hold to get 7.6 our | 02:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | out | 02:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's going to be one heck of a release | 02:37 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12053 /WebGUI/t/Inbox.t: Add tests for getUnreadMessagesForUser | 02:38 |
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| @preaction | i swear the EMS needs its own book | 02:40 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh crap | 02:40 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Everything works | 02:41 |
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| @preaction | and i need david to finish the helpdesk so i can use him to improve the wiki | 02:41 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but now I'm discovering that I made the changes against a wg fork in my github instead f svn... | 02:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | wiki? | 02:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | what needs to be done to the wiki? | 02:41 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ok, I'm putting these changes in tomorrow morning | 02:43 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'm to tired for that now... | 02:43 |
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| +MrHairgrease | bon noite! | 02:43 |
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| @preaction | wiki needs at least: categories and subscriptions | 02:44 |
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| * perlDreamer goes shopping for dinner | 02:57 |
| +perlDreamer | bbiaw | 02:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | back | 03:40 |
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| ekennedy | I wondered if someone could help me with a breadcrumb problem. I'm in the process of dividing a church website into a site representing two campuses. I have a landing page which then branches to one campus or the other. Currently I don't have the campus sub-sites under Root>Home. I've got them under Root>CampusSites>South and Root>CampusSites>North. The url for the two sites is www.site.com/south and www.site.com/north. A breadcr | 03:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | so what's the breadcrumb problem? | 04:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | ekennedy, your post was so long that it was truncated just after the site URLs. | 04:02 |
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| ekennedy | Thanks PerlDreamer: Here is the rest - The url for the two sites is www.site.com/south and www.site.com/north. A breadcrumb navigation wobject starts at the current URL and traces ancestors back to infinity. This is not returning anything I assume it is because the anscestors do not end at "Root>Home". Is that the problem? Is there any way to specify which url to stop at? | 04:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | which version of wG? | 04:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | 7.6? | 04:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | from the Nav code, I'm guessing that you're seeing the effects of either "isHidden" or "isSystem". | 04:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | those can be overridden in the Asset itself, but you may have to alter a template as well | 04:11 |
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| ekennedy | I'm using 7.6. And yes I turned on all of the options on the display tab and the breadcrumb went back to Root. I think I can see now what I need to play with. Thanks for the pointer. | 04:12 |
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| ekennedy | Seems like there might be a bug. If I turn on show hidden pages I get a page tree. If I turn off show hidden pages I don't even though there is at least one visible page immediately before the current page. | 04:27 |
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| ekennedy | Unless I'm hallucinating "Reverse Page Loop" is also having no impact. | 04:36 |
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| ekennedy | I've got to take a break but will try to do some debugging of the navigation later. | 04:52 |
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| @preaction | anybody think it'd be a good idea to make a series of video clips that walks a person through how to install WebGUI from the WRE? or how to perform various common tasks? | 04:52 |
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| @preaction | a video for configuring navigation, or applying a theme package to a large area of the site | 04:53 |
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| ekennedy | I think it could be very helpful to newbies. | 04:53 |
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| @preaction | anyone know good software for splicing together and adding audio to a movie? will QuickTime Pro do it? i've got a screencast software, but I think I want to add diagrams and such | 04:56 |
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| @preaction | and then i think that video is pointless without a good base of written docs | 04:56 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Patrick Donelan history * r149ea66 / (4 files in 4 dirs): | 05:37 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Removed WebGUI::History::Event | 05:37 |
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| CIA-53 | webgui: Added back in dataSuperHashOf - http://bit.ly/11Rsbq | 05:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | I hate IE6 | 05:44 |
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| daviddelikat | im getting tired of computers ingeneral | 05:51 |
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| daviddelikat | now my webgui vm isn't working | 05:51 |
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| daviddelikat | and everything is going slow | 05:52 |
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| daviddelikat | including me | 05:52 |
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| +patspam | can anyone think of a nice way of adding an "Encrypt This Page" option to all Account modules a la Asset? | 06:03 |
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| +patspam | interface-wise.. | 06:03 |
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| +patspam | account modules don't inherit from a common definition, so I can't just whack it in at the base class | 06:04 |
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| @preaction | add it to WebGUI::Content::Account maybe? | 06:04 |
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| +patspam | yeah, I think the implementation would be fairly straightforward, but I'm not sure how to approach getting a per-account module toggle | 06:05 |
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| +patspam | i guess I could just do a global "encrypt account modules" yes/no | 06:07 |
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| +patspam | or if it was a config file setting it could be per-module | 06:08 |
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| elnino | ummm. my customer did something to a style template and it is no longer showing up in the choices of styles. I can't find anything different between my last good revision and the one she did. Is there anything I can look at in the db? | 07:50 |
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| elnino | well, I have no idea what she did. So I ended up deleting it and it's all fixed. | 08:21 |
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| elnino | So, is it normal behavior to be able to move a revision from a committed tag to a new (uncommittd) tag? | 08:21 |
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| +bartjol | mmm, ryuu_ro what do you think is wrong in the next quote from the WebGUI help: "The macro must be put in the Macros directory in the WebGUI source code: lib/WebGUI/Macros/." | 14:37 |
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| ryuu_ro | well i'm a bit afraid for the dot at the end | 14:39 |
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| ryuu_ro | like it's supposed to be in a hidden dir or something | 14:39 |
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| ryuu_ro | and ofcourse the macro's that you create yourself should be in a custom dir, but that's a matter of style | 14:39 |
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| +bartjol | well, I meant the last bit, since backup recovery will become harder | 14:41 |
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| +bartjol | I noticed the comma too | 14:41 |
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| +bartjol | which is confusing | 14:42 |
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| +bartjol | removed the comma in the Dutch tranlation | 14:43 |
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| ryuu_ro | ok that's cool, but what to do with the custom dir prob? | 14:45 |
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| ryuu_ro | where does the translation come from? | 14:45 |
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| ryuu_ro | Macro.pm? | 14:46 |
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| +bartjol | yes | 14:49 |
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| +bartjol | I altered the dutch version | 14:49 |
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| +bartjol | now PB may translate that to english | 14:49 |
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| +bartjol | would you be so kind to check that one at i18n.webgui.org | 14:50 |
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| +bartjol | some time | 14:50 |
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| ryuu_ro | ok i'm on it now, which namespace? | 14:51 |
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| +bartjol | macro | 14:51 |
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| +bartjol | sorry Macros | 14:51 |
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| +bartjol | tag macros list body | 14:52 |
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| ryuu_ro | ok that's what i needed to know | 14:52 |
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| +bartjol | I know you need me | 14:52 |
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| ryuu_ro | looks good bartjol | 14:55 |
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| +bartjol | ok, is this bug or rfe material | 14:55 |
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| ryuu_ro | well technically it's true that is has to be put in the lib/WebGUI/Macro dir | 14:56 |
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| ryuu_ro | so it isn't a bug | 14:56 |
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| ryuu_ro | I would say RFE | 14:56 |
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| ryuu_ro | bartjol: you ever worked with the ports system of FreeBSD? | 14:58 |
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| +bartjol | unfortunately not | 14:59 |
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| ryuu_ro | that's a shame, i'm using it right now and i'm having a couple of difficulties. Back to google it is | 15:00 |
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| +bartjol | mmm, I have an error in the rich editor on the rfe section, I can't seem to get italic off and the html function misses | 15:01 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: martin * r12054 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Adding return JSON on specific requeest feature to template. | 15:55 |
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| CIA-53 | wrebuild: JT Smith master * rb44d138 / (wre/docs/changelog.txt wre/var/setupfiles/modproxy.conf): WRE mod_expires (#9618) - http://bit.ly/2skuQP | 16:50 |
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| CIA-53 | wrebuild: JT Smith master * r81ec952 / (7 files in 4 dirs): | 16:50 |
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| CIA-53 | wrebuild: made a few fixes, and updated the mime types, trying to merge a conflict | 16:50 |
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| CIA-53 | wrebuild: Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/wrebuild | 16:50 |
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| CIA-53 | wrebuild: Conflicts: | 16:50 |
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| CIA-53 | wrebuild: wre/docs/changelog.txt - http://bit.ly/YwJNE | 16:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | wow! | 17:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | everybody showed up | 17:49 |
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| +bartjol | for what? | 17:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | Monday | 17:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | did you see the new batch of i18n, bartjol? | 17:53 |
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| +bartjol | not yet | 17:53 |
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| +bartjol | it's not on the i18n site | 17:53 |
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| +bartjol | is it in git? | 17:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | svn | 17:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | it should be released on Thursday | 17:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | a bunch of LDAP i18n | 17:56 |
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| +bartjol | well, that is ot too much | 17:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=12046 | 17:58 |
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| +bartjol | already found it | 17:58 |
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| +bartjol | I'm not scared of that | 18:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | of course not | 18:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | I just don't like surprising you with new work | 18:00 |
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| +bartjol | new assets are more labourious | 18:00 |
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| +bartjol | well, you alrady annouced it earlier | 18:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | I did? | 18:07 |
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| +bartjol | yeah, last week | 18:07 |
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| mducharme-work | perlDreamer: something was missed from the thread | 18:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | thread? | 18:07 |
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| mducharme-work | we had agreed it was best to call it "LDAP Proxy User DN" instead of LDAP Proxy Username | 18:07 |
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| +bartjol | the forum | 18:08 |
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| mducharme-work | the svn link you just pasted says LDAP Proxy Username..... | 18:08 |
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| mducharme-work | that was one of the feedback items in the thread and one I agreed with | 18:08 |
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| +bartjol | well, I didn't agree with anything | 18:09 |
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| +bartjol | netither did I disagree | 18:09 |
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| mducharme-work | heh | 18:09 |
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| mducharme-work | I mean the people in the thread who replied | 18:09 |
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| +bartjol | I will see it on i18n.webgui.org | 18:09 |
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| mducharme-work | it was a suggested change as a response to the ldap relabellings I had suggested and I agreed with that change, because it makes more sense | 18:10 |
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| +bartjol | Well I'm fine with that | 18:10 |
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| +bartjol | we hardly use ldap for webgui | 18:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | fixed | 18:12 |
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| +bartjol | perlDreamer: I made an rfe for the Macros.pm i18n file | 18:12 |
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| +bartjol | the description was a bit awkward in my eyes | 18:12 |
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| +bartjol | dunno if you agree with my suggested changes | 18:12 |
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| +bartjol | but maybe you can tackle that while you're working on i18n | 18:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's not an rfe | 18:14 |
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| +bartjol | well | 18:14 |
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| +bartjol | since the content wasn't strictly wrong | 18:14 |
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| +bartjol | after a meeting of 1.5 hours with rory we decided it best to put in an rfe ;) | 18:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's a bug | 18:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's factually incorrect | 18:15 |
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| +bartjol | well, ok | 18:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | RFEs are about opinions | 18:15 |
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| +bartjol | well, I just noticed it | 18:16 |
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| +bartjol | prolly it's not possible to move it to a bug status | 18:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, I'll just fix it and close it | 18:18 |
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| +bartjol | so what's best? treat the rfe as a bug, or make a new bug post | 18:18 |
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| +bartjol | ok | 18:18 |
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| +bartjol | do check my english if you use that text | 18:18 |
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| +bartjol | I also check yours :P | 18:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | Oh no | 18:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | If it's wrong, I'm assigning the bug to you to fix :) | 18:18 |
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| +bartjol | I don't have any access | 18:19 |
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| +bartjol | to svn | 18:19 |
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| @tavisto | perlDreamer, didn't someone fix the shopping cart but where this happens: | 18:20 |
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| @tavisto | All 3 buttons (update, continue shopping, checkout) were all acting like the "Continue Shopping" button and taking me back to my previous screen instead of carrying out their expected behavior. | 18:20 |
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| +bartjol | well | 18:20 |
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| @tavisto | remember that used to happen awhile ago before someone implemented a fix to prevent that from happening. (or it could be cache issue as well I assume) | 18:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't remember that bug. But there was a similar bug with choosing an address for checkout. | 18:21 |
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| @tavisto | hmm | 18:21 |
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| +bartjol | doesn't that relate to the payment plugins? I had the templates screwed up | 18:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | regardless, tavisto, report the bug, along with a site so that I can look through the logfiles before they disappear. | 18:22 |
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| +bartjol | once and then the whole checkout process failed | 18:22 |
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| +bartjol | tried to skip a form | 18:23 |
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| +bartjol | well, that didn't work :) | 18:23 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12056 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/AuthLDAP.pm: A few slight LDAP i18n tweaks. | 18:23 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12057 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/AuthLDAP.pm: Forward porting LDAP i18n tweaks | 18:23 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12058 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Macros.pm: Update i18n text to show that a custom install directory can be used. | 18:23 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12059 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Macros.pm: Forward port macro i18n fix. | 18:23 |
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| +bartjol | aah, Colin the bugfix hero | 18:24 |
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| @tavisto | hmm that could be bartjol | 18:24 |
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| +bartjol | tavisto: that you did something to the template? | 18:25 |
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| @tavisto | not I | 18:25 |
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| +bartjol | well, you can test that by using the default templates | 18:26 |
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| +bartjol | tavisto: well, you came up with it :P | 18:26 |
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| +bartjol | take responsibility | 18:26 |
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| @tavisto | lucky for me I dont have to do the dirty work | 18:28 |
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| +bartjol | These templates are easily compromised | 18:28 |
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| +bartjol | ah, you have a slave? | 18:28 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12060 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/RemoveOldCarts.pm: Remove debug code from RemoveOldCarts workflow. | 18:38 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12061 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/RemoveOldCarts.pm: Remove debug from RemoveOldCarts workflow activity. | 18:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, we need daviddelikat's Helpdesk code soon | 18:48 |
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| @Haarg | yes | 18:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | wide comments nuke the bug controls | 18:48 |
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| @Haarg | i was trying it out though and the tab behavior wasn't working properly | 18:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | in fact, can we have it autowrap content? | 18:49 |
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| @Haarg | so we'll want to verify that | 18:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | it doesn't use the Comments aspect, iirc | 18:49 |
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| @Haarg | i'd rather have it scroll i think | 18:49 |
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| @Haarg | it's useful to be able to paste code in sometimes | 18:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | but we have that nifty upload feature for patches | 18:50 |
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| @Haarg | you aren't always dealing with patches though | 18:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | true | 18:51 |
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| @Haarg | it's probably of more use on the support boards actually | 18:52 |
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| @Haarg | since you are more frequently dealing with code snippets | 18:52 |
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| @Haarg | code/css/html | 18:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | true. and wrapping that would be bad | 18:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | you saw the IE6 bug with resizing? | 18:54 |
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| @Haarg | yes | 18:54 |
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| @Haarg | the part that amuses me about that is previously the edit area sized itself wrong like that in firefox | 18:55 |
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| @Haarg | until we made it disabled by default | 18:55 |
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| +bartjol | I'm off, bye | 18:56 |
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| * perlDreamer is hoping that we can drop IE6 as a supported browser | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | but knows the chances of that are slim | 18:57 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: colin * r12062 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm): Fix a typo in the illegal product quantity error checker in the cart. | 19:09 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: ekennedy * r12063 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Account/Inbox.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Fixed #10743: Inbox Rich Editor selection not saved (Eric Kennedy) | 19:09 |
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| elnino | my customer did something to a style template and it is no longer showing up in the choices of styles. I can't find anything different between my last good revision and the one she did. Is there anything I can look at in the db? | 19:21 |
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| elnino | I ended up deleting the revision, but I have db backups, I fear there is a bug somewhere there. | 19:22 |
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| CIA-53 | WebGUI: ekennedy * r12064 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/Account/Inbox.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Fixed #10743: Inbox Rich Editor selection not saved (Eric Kennedy) | 19:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino, whether a template is a style template or not is determined by the template namespace | 20:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | but, iirc, you're not allowed to change the namespace once it's been set | 20:19 |
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| +BartJol | aah, been working out | 20:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, I was exercising my legs | 20:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | now it feels like time to exercise something else | 20:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | like my stomach | 20:43 |
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| +BartJol | by eating huge amounts of hotdogs? | 20:45 |
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| @preaction | i'm getting 15-20% packetloss to my gateway. think i should call my ISP? | 20:46 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: did you have any thoughts about using Test::Class? and ideas on how it should work for Assets? | 20:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | y s I t ink t ah ou s oul , reac on | 20:48 |
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| @preaction | your death will not be quick | 20:48 |
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