--- Log opened Tue Dec 01 00:00:41 2009
00:07 < SynQ> where is the page-up key on a mac?
00:08 <@Haarg> fn+up
00:09 < SynQ> ah, thanks
00:09 < SynQ> you'll never guess what I'm about to do
00:09 < SynQ> I'll give you a hint.. big cat in winter running webgui with new indians and such :)
00:12 < SynQ> Haarg: guess what
00:13 < CIA-54> WebGUI: translation * r12420 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_EventManagementSystem.pm Asset_EMSSubmissionForm.pm): Updating German on translation server
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00:17 < SynQ> there is no fun in riddles if no-one guesses
00:17 < SynQ> or even tries
00:20 < SynQ> never mind
00:20 < SynQ> I'm off to bed
00:22 < SynQ> but first I'll spoil the riddle: I'm compiling a new WRE version on mac os x snow leopard
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00:36 < CIA-54> WebGUI: translation * r12421 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_EventManagementSystem.pm Asset_EMSSubmissionForm.pm): Updating German on translation server
00:39 < CIA-54> wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * r30b83da / build.sh : fixed libgcrypt compilation on mac - http://bit.ly/69CjCU
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00:57 < CIA-54> WebGUI: translation * r12422 /translations/German/German/Asset_EventManagementSystem.pm: Updating German on translation server
00:59 <+perlDreamer> Go Klaus!
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01:10 <+perlDreamer> great
01:11 <+perlDreamer> I restarted spectre to log some output while testing
01:11 <+perlDreamer> and that caused the workflow bug to stop
01:11 <+perlDreamer> we need a way to enable debug output on a live, running spectre
01:13 < xum> what's spectre do? just log
01:14 <+perlDreamer> spectre handles all of WebGUI's scheduled activities, and coordinates workflows
01:15 <+perlDreamer> for example, you can set up a workflow activity that runs right after a User logs in
01:15 <+perlDreamer> WebGUI calls up spectre and tell is to run that workflow
01:15 <+perlDreamer> and spectre takes care of doing all the work
01:15 <+perlDreamer> well, in a management kind of sense
01:16 < xum> this is day 2 using WebGUI for me and I haven't gotten to figuring out what workflows are, but now I know Spectre is kind of like WebGUI's cron kind of.
01:17 <+perlDreamer> workflows are tasks that you want run, but don't want to be tied to an HTTP request
01:18 <+perlDreamer> there are workflows for cleaning out caches, fetching RSS feeds, sending and retrieving emails
01:18 <+perlDreamer> all sorts of things
01:19 <+perlDreamer> technically, to use WebGUI you don't have to know much about Workflows
01:20 <+perlDreamer> but if you're developing WebGUI or customizing it, they're pretty important
01:21 < xum> I'd like to be there soon, I'm just having trouble figuring out how everything is organized
01:21 <+perlDreamer> it's a very big system
01:21 < xum> for instance, I can't find my-style.css, which should be in root/imports/
01:21 < xum> Yeah, seems ... over complicated to a degree
01:22 <+perlDreamer> URLs are not tied to any particular hierarchy
01:22 < xum> but this is only day 2
01:23 <+perlDreamer> try using the Search feature in the Asset Manager to find it
01:23 <+perlDreamer> my-style.css is only created if you go through the Site Builder during the Setup
01:23 < CIA-54> wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * ra628e7c / build.sh : making libgcrypt work even better with Darwin - http://bit.ly/8noD4a
01:23 < xum> which I did, was that a bad thing to do?
01:24 < SynQ> perlDreamer: your App::nopaste is in
01:24 <+perlDreamer> xum, no, only that you should not expect it to be there unless it was actually created
01:24 <+perlDreamer> SynQ: thanks!
01:24 < SynQ> that means that Moose is in too
01:25 <+perlDreamer> it's a heavy app, for sure
01:25 < SynQ> well
01:25 < SynQ> it's not that bad
01:25 < SynQ> I'm including git into the wre too
01:26 < SynQ> git latest and greatest
01:26 < SynQ> and wgd too
01:26 <+perlDreamer> pretty soon it will be easier just to make an Ubuntu spin-off :)
01:26 < SynQ> no it won't
01:28 <+perlDreamer> yes it will
01:28 <+perlDreamer> You haven't a chance of winning this argument. I have _two_ children who have been 2 years old.
01:29 < SynQ> hehe
01:29 < SynQ> no it won't
01:29 < SynQ> :P
01:30 <+perlDreamer> xum: the WebGUI primer https://www.plainblack.com/services/training/webgui-primer will help with introducing you to WebGUI
01:30 <+perlDreamer> and it's free
01:30 < xum> Hey that looks handy, thanks. Sure beats digging around trial and error.
01:31 <+perlDreamer> the wiki on webgui.org also has some useful content, and the forums are full of Q&A kinds of things.
01:34 < CIA-54> wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * r7aed25d / build.sh : Darwin option the wrong way around, fixed - http://bit.ly/8UAKKb
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01:40 <+perlDreamer> SynQ: we can make PB change from CentOS to Ubuntu, and who cares about those MacOS users, anyway?
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02:25 < xum> First the google map asset kept landing me in the middle of the ocean off the west coast of africa, now it's centering in on the captiol of Wisconsin
02:26 < xum> I guess it doesn't allow you to select a point to show up by default
02:26 <+perlDreamer> that's because the company that makes WebGUI is based in the capital of Wisconsin
02:27 <+perlDreamer> we all get Wisconsin's time zone and other defaults
02:27 < xum> Luckily I'm in CST, but that's a few hundred miles off in the wrong direction :)
02:28 <+perlDreamer> As to the choice of starting location for the map, the Map asset itself has startLatitude and startLongitude fields
02:28 <+perlDreamer> I'd recommend setting those
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02:30 < xum> That only makes sense.
02:31 <@preaction> If you're in Admin Mode there's a button called "Set Current View As Center" or something
02:31 < xum> Haha, thanks for helping me with the id-10/t error I was having
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02:35 <+perlDreamer> id-10/t is easier to fix than pebkac
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03:32 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie asset-helpers * r5375fbb / (lib/WebGUI/AssetHelper/Manage.pm t/AssetHelper/Manage.t): AssetManager Helper, which just opens a tab to the ContentHandler. - http://bit.ly/4sCc2b
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05:01 < xum_> would changing the display style of every page to something else be a workforce/Spectre deal?
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05:10 <+perlDreamer> xum: no
05:10 <+perlDreamer> xum_: what you would do is use the Edit Branch option to change the style template on every asset.
05:14 <+perlDreamer> You can find Edit Branch in 2 ways
05:14 <+perlDreamer> In Admin mode, the Icon that shows the kind of Asset has a dropdown menu
05:14 <+perlDreamer> In the AssetManager, the "More" menu also has an Edit Branch link
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05:20 < xum> When you say Asset Manager are you talking about Assets under Admin Console?
05:21 < xum> Yes you are, and that is awesome.
05:27 <+perlDreamer> It should be called the Asset Manager consistently, but isn't
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05:58 < xum> https://www.plainblack.com/flash-style-3-template
05:58 < xum> this is the only thing i don't much care for about WebGUI
05:58 <@preaction> it has templates?
06:11 < xum> Just seems like an awful lot of unnecessary disclosure to the system
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06:19 <@preaction> there's no way to view the template code unless you have permission to edit the template, the images, CSS, and JS in those directories have to be viewable by everyone or else the site would look bad
06:20 <@preaction> it's necessary disclosure
06:32 <+perlDreamer> preaction: Asset Helper conversion is drawing to a close for Asset*.pm
06:32 <+perlDreamer> at least as far as I can take it without new Asset, Admin Console and Form Builder
06:32 * perlDreamer needs another task
06:33 <@preaction> awesome
06:33 <@preaction> i'll have one tomorrow morning hopefully
06:34 <+perlDreamer> I could go through each and every asset to convert its methods over to Asset Helpers, but I really think we should have the prereqs in place before doing tons of work.
06:47 < CIA-54> WebGUI: translation * r12423 /translations/Farsi/Farsi/ (9 files): Updating Farsi on translation server
06:48 <+perlDreamer> Farsi?
07:12 < xum> It's an Indian language
07:13 <+perlDreamer> I'm aware of that
07:13 <+perlDreamer> I didn't know that we had any translators for Farsi
07:14 <+perlDreamer> there have been incidences of people spamming the translation
07:14 <+perlDreamer> so we try to watch it
07:15 <+perlDreamer> is that _you_ translating, xum?
07:15 < xum> My bad, I learned that from a movie.
07:15 < xum> no, I only speak english
07:22 < xum> So when people go to a WebGUI site they aren't automatically authenticated as the user "Visitor"? I'm trying to set a Collaboration System to allow posting by Visitors, and I get insufficient privileges error message asking me to login to an account.
07:23 <@preaction> are visitors allowed to view? a visitor is any user that is not a registered user, are you logged in when trying to post?
07:23 <@preaction> you want Everyone, most likely
07:23 <+perlDreamer> right, otherwise, only Visitors would be allowed to post
07:24 <+perlDreamer> sorry about the inbox noise, preaction
07:24 <@preaction> okay, so that's you
07:24 <+perlDreamer> yup
07:25 <+perlDreamer> I should disable the wreconsole while I'm typing
07:26 <+perlDreamer> I'm several hours of work away from the -0007 bug, which is 1.5 days in real time
07:26 <+perlDreamer> the spectre rewrite in 7.8.5 didn't touch this bug
07:29 <+perlDreamer> I'm starting to think it's bad SQL for the singleton check
07:29 <+perlDreamer> but we'll let the logs and traps supply evidence.
07:49 <+perlDreamer> preaction, earlier you mentioned that bad things happen when Workflows are run every minutes in Spectre. What kinds of things would you see?
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14:45 < CIA-54> wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * rfd70dab / build.sh : no tcktk for git - http://bit.ly/6FCZz8
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16:54 < SquOnk> Greetings.
16:54 < dionak> morning
16:55 < SquOnk> Haarg: Any luck with the SynCont encoding bug?
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17:26 < SynQ> compile compile compile...
17:26 < SynQ> http://www.webgui.nl/leden/downloads
17:26 < SynQ> wre0.9.4RC2-debian-lenny-ia32.tgz
17:32 <@preaction> SynQ: do you want me to figure out how to release a WRE version so we can get more people testing that RC?
17:34 < SynQ> preaction: yes please
17:34 < SynQ> preaction: and perhaps you can assist me in debugging the WRE config perl-scripting
17:35 < SynQ> since that is currently not 'completly working'
17:36 < CIA-54> wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * r3fe67cf / wre/var/upgrades/upgrade_0.9.3-0.9.4.pl : Added upgradescript - http://bit.ly/8gnwhV
17:39 < SynQ> preaction: something else I would like to do is create a script called /data/wre/sbin/wresetup.pl that takes as command line options what you would normally put into the wreconsole.pl stuff
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17:39 < SynQ> also: the recommended way to upgrade to upgrade the WRE should NOT be to extract the new version over the current version
17:39 < SynQ> since that keeps the perl modules that are old in place
17:39 <@preaction> SynQ: why not instead have it be interactive, just command-line? Like Term::ReadLine
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17:40 < SynQ> preaction: interactive is fine too
17:40 <@preaction> okay, is that documented in upgrade.txt and/or gotcha.txt?
17:40 < SynQ> not yet
17:40 <@preaction> k
17:40 < SynQ> up till now I have focussed on getting the prereqs working
17:40 < SynQ> new ssl, new apache, new perl, new perl modules
17:40 < SynQ> included curl and git
17:40 < SynQ> that is all working now
17:40 < SynQ> so we are allready half way there
17:41 < SynQ> and Moose is in WRE too now
17:41 < SynQ> you might like that
17:44 < SynQ> this change kind of broke the wreconsole.pl setup of site.modperl and site.modproxy
17:44 < SynQ> http://github.com/plainblack/wrebuild/commit/86a460fa2e43f49df0e8c8b885da2587ba3191aa
17:45 < SynQ> since it didn't include updated code for adding the ServerAdmin e-mail address to the file
17:45 <@preaction> it couldn't, because those are templates that people may have changed
17:46 < SynQ> but the default templates can/could have been updated?
17:46 <@preaction> they were, see the commit files? wre/var/setupfiles/modperl.template and modproxy.template
17:46 < SynQ> I don't know what goes wrong exactly since I don't understand the code that wreconsole.pl is made of :)
17:47 < SynQ> if you deploy that RC2 you'll see what I mean
17:47 < SynQ> deploy it 'fresh'
17:47 < SynQ> but I'll make it easy for you
17:47 < SynQ> and create a virtual box debian install that has that RC2 on it :)
17:48 < SynQ> ubuntu and mac os x 10.6 are now compiling
17:48 < SynQ> I'll have them uploaded to webgui.nl as soon as they are done
17:48 <@preaction> k
17:49 < SynQ> can you compose me an e-mail that states how to release a WRE version?
17:49 < SynQ> a new official WRE would make a nice sinterklaas present
17:50 < SynQ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinterklaas
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18:59 <@preaction> good morning perlDreamer!
19:00 <+perlDreamer> hola, preaction
19:00 <+perlDreamer> I'm convinced of something about the -007 bug
19:00 <@preaction> i'm going to merge fb into WebGUI8 so that it can be used
19:00 <@preaction> oh?
19:01 <+perlDreamer> it's 1 symptom caused by several problems
19:01 <@preaction> nice
19:06 <+perlDreamer> problem #1 is that spectre seems to be having timing issues
19:07 <+perlDreamer> http://gist.github.com/246443
19:07 <+perlDreamer> that shows a series of triggered -007 workflows
19:08 <+perlDreamer> and they are much closer than 1 minute apart
19:08 <@preaction> wow, yeah
19:08 <+perlDreamer> this causes singleton workflow warnings in the logfiles which have nothing to do with the real problem
19:08 <+perlDreamer> since the others have not finished yet!
19:09 <@preaction> looks like it ran twice one time, and then got all screwed up
19:09 <@preaction> lines 2 and 3 of that paste
19:11 <+perlDreamer> the jobs seem to always get queued up near 10-15 minutes after the hour
19:12 <+perlDreamer> which I think is when the hourly workflow runs
19:12 <+perlDreamer> however, it's a false problem, since the next cron job will pick up the slack
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19:30 <@preaction> perlDreamer: when merging new templates from TWG, are we just replacing the old ones or are we using an upgrade script to change to the new IDs?
19:30 <+perlDreamer> If there are new templates, we change from old to new in the db
19:31 <+perlDreamer> old ones are always deleted in either case
19:31 <+perlDreamer> and replacements are the easiest
19:31 <+perlDreamer> If the templates don't pass the test suite, I've rejected them in the past
19:31 <@preaction> of course
19:31 <+perlDreamer> and I insist on gotcha-level documentation for EVERY template
19:33 <@preaction> hah. looks like we don't have a WRE build farm anymore... at least, nothing that is reachable by anybody other than JT
19:33 <@preaction> ... looks like I have a new project...
19:34 <+perlDreamer> It'd be easier to yank him from slumber for 15 minutes to get a username and password
19:34 <+perlDreamer> the farm is in his office
19:34 <@preaction> but that's not an option for me
19:36 <@preaction> also, Graham is going to get you something to work on. if he doesn't, i've got something too
19:39 <+perlDreamer> wunderbahr
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19:56 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie asset-helpers * r76d8c48 / (README lib/WebGUI/AssetHelper/EditBranch.pm):
19:56 < CIA-54> webgui: Add EditBranch
19:56 < CIA-54> webgui: Note that the form URL need to be set. - http://bit.ly/7qYcmM
20:09 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie asset-helpers * r40a850c / lib/WebGUI/AssetHelper/ExportHtml.pm :
20:09 < CIA-54> webgui: Export as HTML Asset Helper.
20:09 < CIA-54> webgui: Note, needs Admin Console integration for title, content and URLs. - http://bit.ly/7jNfmQ
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20:30 < dionak> has anyone seen the presentation from the WUC for swifty site?
20:30 < dionak> it's not yet on webgui tv but i'd like to checkout the way they were overloading WG
20:30 < dionak> would Kristy have that info?
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20:32 <@preaction> kristi or tavis would probably be able to hook you up
20:32 <@preaction> speak of the devil!
20:32 < dionak> tavisto, can you access the swifty site presentation from the WUC?
20:53 < dionak> tavisto, yt?
20:58 < dionak> hey patspam, how's NY treating you?
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21:26 <@tavisto> sorry dionak, dealing with a huuuuuge headache atm
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21:34 < dionak> np, tavisto. catch up when you're able. i've spammed you as well. ;)
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22:04 <@preaction> today's reason WebGUI sucks: The "Trash Workflow" and "Purge Workflow" know absolutely nothing about what asset is being trashed or purged
22:05 <@preaction> absolutely pointless...
22:08 <+perlDreamer> preaction: what do they need to know?
22:09 <@preaction> the asset being trashed or purged would be nice
22:09 <@preaction> instead, i would have to guess. but that doesn't work because the workflow is triggered BEFORE the state="trash" and state="trash-limbo" are set
22:10 <+perlDreamer> We're not talking about the same things :)
22:10 <+perlDreamer> I was thinking of the activities
22:11 <+perlDreamer> and you're talking about those half-baked add-on Workflows in the settings, yes?
22:11 <@preaction> yes
22:11 <@preaction> and half-baked is way too nice...
22:12 <@preaction> they are absolutely useless
22:12 <@preaction> i would have better luck running this workflow every 5 minutes
22:14 <+perlDreamer> if you file a bug about them, I'll fix it.... =)
22:15 <@preaction> i'm not sure they can be fixed in a backwards-compatible way
22:15 <@preaction> and it's not something we should worry about anyway
22:16 <@preaction> but i really look forward to when we have an extra dev to remove this bullcrap
22:16 <@preaction> so many edges need polishing...
22:24 * perlDreamer thinks we should do it now, anyway
22:24 <+perlDreamer> waiting and waiting doesn't get code written
22:25 <@preaction> no, but there are better things to fix, like moving Assets to Moose and the new Admin Console etc...
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22:31 <+perlDreamer> true. What do you want me to do today?
22:32 <@preaction> Haarg: do you have the definition stuff ready for Colin?
22:33 <@Haarg> i can in about 15 minutes
22:34 <@preaction> ok, then perlDreamer that's what i'd like you to do
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22:43 < elnino> so... I have a customer with a pseudo shop (uses paypal buttons/shop instead of yours) and he wants separate "search capabilities"
22:43 < elnino> like one bypartnumber only, one by specifications, one by keyword name.
22:43 < elnino> I'm assuming these are best done by sql report?
22:44 < SquOnk> re
22:46 < elnino> re?
22:48 <@preaction> probably, depending on how the products are put into the site
22:49 < elnino> so.. another question.
22:49 < elnino> the home page is going to have a bunch of product assets on it. but he'll also have selves.
22:49 < elnino> s/selves/shelves.
22:50 < elnino> and each product will have keywords and the shelves will pull products on to them.
22:50 < elnino> do we have to pay particular attentiont to where we originally create the products?
22:51 <@preaction> not really, no
22:51 < elnino> ok. I didn't think so.
22:52 < elnino> to move products around, he can just modify the keywords essentially. but if he wants to remove them off the home page... hmm.
22:52 < elnino> then he would literally have to cut and paste.
22:52 < elnino> ?
22:53 <@preaction> right
22:53 < elnino> if product is put on a shelf it doesn't necessary have to have the keyword set for that shelf.
22:53 <@preaction> or you could make a "home page" shelf that would display items on the home page
22:53 <@preaction> right
22:54 < elnino> this is so cool, but confusing.
22:54 < elnino> this will be fun explaining this to him. =)
22:55 < elnino> thought about the home page shelf too. I think that is the more consistant way to go.
22:55 < elnino> then the "instructions" become: "modify the keywods" =)
22:59 < elnino> thanks preaction!
22:59 < elnino> hmm. is the specificationJSON field changing in 7.8?
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23:24 <+perlDreamer> elnino: no
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23:44 < elnino> perlDreamer, thx.
23:44 < elnino> Is there a cool function in mysql to parse JSON?
23:44 <+perlDreamer> not that I know of
23:45 < elnino> i had looked but didn't see anything. I guess I just have to parse.
23:45 <+perlDreamer> why do you need to parse JSON in SQL?
23:46 <@preaction> yes, that's a very bad idea
23:46 < elnino> to read the specificationJSON field in a custom sql report.
23:46 < elnino> I was also thinking
23:46 < elnino> better yet to just create a custom product.
23:46 <+perlDreamer> yes, definitely
23:46 <+perlDreamer> or a custom SQL reporter thingy
23:50 < elnino> ok. Thanks guys
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00:07 < Gso> does anyone know why after a backup then a restore the site works great until I restart services then it gives me code 500 modproxy error
00:12 <+perlDreamer> Gso, when you say restore, what exactly did you restore? Database, uploads, code, all of the above?
00:13 <+perlDreamer> a 500 modproxy error usually means that modperl isn't started, or couldn't start
00:13 <+perlDreamer> That means that looking in /data/wre/var/logs/modperl.error.log would be a good idea :)
00:13 < Gso> i did a backup of db and works great
00:14 < Gso> then the web root and it worked great until i restated
00:14 <+perlDreamer> you definitely want to check the error logs for what's happening
00:14 < elnino> did you change the db user or password?
00:14 * perlDreamer guesses permission problems from the "web root" restore
00:15 <+perlDreamer> since that's where the access logs get written
00:15 < Gso> yes I looked and it now says no such files
00:15 < Gso> I have been looking into that
00:16 < Gso> after back up the access file is gone
00:18 < Gso> on the backup tar i checked permission of file and they are set for webgui before i extract
00:18 <+perlDreamer> what about after the restore?
00:19 < Gso> That could be where im messing up, i did the chowd -R webgui:webgui comand
00:20 < Gso> is there a way to make sure
00:20 <+perlDreamer> go look at the files, and the directory that they are in to double check the permissions
00:21 < Gso> ok ill doit now
00:21 <+perlDreamer> also, try pasting (at webgui.pastebin.com) the error messages from the error logs, and then giving us the URL.
00:21 < Gso> ok
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00:29 < Gso> the permissions were set to root I changed them to webgui, here is url from pastbin http://webgui.pastebin.com/m59a8b94c
00:31 < Gso> can the issue be I log into my server as root and have added webgui as as user when i first set up the install
00:36 <+perlDreamer> no, the problem is that user webgui cannot write to the /data/domains/www.i-family.net/logs/ directory, or to the access log specifically
00:36 <+perlDreamer> that's what the error message means
00:39 < Gso> ok, what am I not seeing on what I did wrong during the restore to cause this and how do i fix the problem
00:40 <+perlDreamer> when restoring the directory with tar, try using the -p switch, which will preserve permissions
00:40 <@Haarg> does the directory /data/domains/www.i-family.net/logs/ exist?
00:40 < Gso> all works well on page 31 of the admin guide until restore the sites root im lost
00:41 < Gso> it does until i restart
00:42 <@Haarg> what are you referring to by 'the sites root'
00:42 <@Haarg> i don't have the admin guide available atm
00:43 <@Haarg> i don't think it's a permissions thing as normally you would be restarting apache as root and it will ignore the permissions
00:44 <@Haarg> since it opens the logs in the master process, not the children after changing users
00:44 < Gso> the mysql restore part drop and add data base works great, then i rm -Rf /data/domains/###, cd /data/domains/###, tar xvfz /path/www.exp.com.tar.gz
00:45 <@Haarg> it sounds like it isn't backing up the logs directory, so you need to create it manually
00:45 < Gso> the site restores with all pics and works great until i restart server
00:46 < Gso> im useing my wre set up backups
00:47 < Gso> they were backups from oct21
00:48 <@Haarg> yeah, because it only re-opens the logs when you restart
00:48 <@Haarg> if you create the directory it should work
00:49 <+perlDreamer> should the Admin Guide be modified so that they don't nuke the logs directory?
00:50 <@Haarg> probably
00:50 <@Haarg> or at least mention it needs to be re-created
00:51 < Gso> when the wre backs up does it add the logs to the tar or did I not set it up right back then
00:52 <@Haarg> i believe it doesn't include the logs
00:52 <@Haarg> so it's a problem with the restore process, which is more of a documentation problem
00:53 < Gso> is there a post that I cant find on webgui with the correct way to back up and restore
00:59 < Gso> Is there any other way to restore the sites
01:02 <@Haarg> if you just create the logs directory after doing what you did it should work
01:04 < Gso> thankyou, im going to fresh add the site, copy and save the logs file then restore the site and paste the logs file back into the folder, this hopefully works thank you
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01:12 < Gso> Gram and perlDreamer thankyou so much I have been working on this for a long time something so simple worked lol thank you
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01:24 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, I requested a copy of the Admin Guide for review
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01:41 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rad67b8a / (lib/WebGUI/Macro/SpectreCheck.pm t/Macro/SpectreCheck.t): Add test for SpectreTest macro. Handle fall-through condition in Macro itself. - http://bit.ly/74Xb9y
01:47 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, I accidently pushed some topic branches up to github
01:47 <+perlDreamer> how do I remove them remotely?
01:47 <@Haarg> git push origin :my-branch
01:51 <+perlDreamer> thanks!
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02:24 <+perlDreamer> I HATE TIME
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02:47 < daviddelikat> so I'm back at it...
02:48 < daviddelikat> any WG gurus want to help me solve a weird problem?
02:48 <@preaction> we can try
02:49 < daviddelikat> I can't start modperl because the only thing in my @INC is /data/WebGUI/lib
02:49 < daviddelikat> I had an overflow problem a while ago and some files got truncated
02:49 < daviddelikat> so I'm guessing theres something that I'm missing
02:50 < daviddelikat> any idea where this gets configured?
02:50 <@preaction> have you updated from git recently? there's some new code in sbin/preload.perl that removes "." from @INC, it might be removing too much
02:50 < daviddelikat> is it more than a week old?
02:50 < daviddelikat> I updated early last week
02:51 <@preaction> i don't know
02:51 < daviddelikat> i just pulled now, so I'll see what happens
02:54 < daviddelikat> ok, whatever it was its fixed!
02:54 < daviddelikat> thanks
03:00 <+perlDreamer> nice to see you back, dude
03:01 < daviddelikat> I'm still trying to get this EMS stuff pushed in
03:01 <+perlDreamer> ???
03:01 <+perlDreamer> It's in the core already?
03:01 < daviddelikat> there were a few mods to do
03:01 < daviddelikat> and my WG VM crashed so I had to fix it
03:02 <+perlDreamer> ah, I see
03:02 < daviddelikat> now I have to id some template changes so that I don't kill somebody elses work...
03:02 <+perlDreamer> don't do any pushes now, since I'm going to start the release in a bit
03:02 < daviddelikat> that means that I have to do this all over again...
03:03 < daviddelikat> I'll wait
03:03 < daviddelikat> do you have an ETA?
03:05 <+perlDreamer> 2.5 hours from start to finish
03:05 < daviddelikat> days like today I really wish templates were handled like code
03:05 <+perlDreamer> it would be nice
03:05 < daviddelikat> so 10PM
03:05 < daviddelikat> ?
03:05 <+perlDreamer> sure, or I can wait an hour or so to start
03:05 <+perlDreamer> would that be better for you?
03:06 < daviddelikat> I have to figure out what to do with these templates..
03:06 < daviddelikat> might as well go ahead
03:06 < daviddelikat> I'll put my stuf fin later
03:07 < daviddelikat> I also wish upgrades moved around easier...
03:09 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra672849 / (3 files in 3 dirs):
03:09 < CIA-54> webgui: Fix epoch=0 issues with Session/DateTime and D_date macro.
03:09 < CIA-54> webgui: Add an edge case test for D_date macro. - http://bit.ly/5og6Xd
03:09 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra7aa1d2 / (3 files in 3 dirs):
03:09 < CIA-54> webgui: Fix epoch=0 issues with Session/DateTime and D_date macro.
03:09 < CIA-54> webgui: Add an edge case test for D_date macro. - http://bit.ly/5c6DL1
03:09 <+perlDreamer> they move pretty easily, they just don't port across branches easily
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03:46 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf39577e / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.8.7 release. - http://bit.ly/5zBqKl
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04:22 <+perlDreamer> daviddelikat: running slightly behind schedule at this point
04:23 < daviddelikat> no problem, I probably wont push my stuff tonight...
04:23 < daviddelikat> too busy with other 'stuff'
04:23 <+perlDreamer> hardware?
04:23 <+perlDreamer> daughters?
04:23 < daviddelikat> job search
04:23 < daviddelikat> power point class
04:23 < daviddelikat> and yes, daughters
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05:07 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rff7e09e / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.8.8 development. - http://bit.ly/7vlCOQ
05:08 <+perlDreamer> davidelikat, I'm done
05:11 < daviddelikat> thanks
05:27 <+perlDreamer> 'night, all. See you in my morning.
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16:20 < SDuensin> Greetings.
16:29 <+BartJol> goodmorning to you
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16:41 < SDuensin> How's things in Gooey Land? I've been lurking lately - too busy to jump in and abuse you folks. :-)
16:42 * BartJol hides away in a dark corner
16:43 < SDuensin> That good, eh? Sounds like here at the office. :-)
16:44 <+BartJol> well, I've been resetting image id's manually, explaining people that you have to use the function "mail data" if you want to have data mailed
16:44 <+BartJol> stuff like that
16:45 < SDuensin> Sorry. I still win. I'm taking government training courses on network security.
16:45 <+BartJol> restoring sql reports so that they comply to latest stable db's
16:45 <+BartJol> ooh
16:46 <+BartJol> network security: don't plug in into the internet or you'll be doomed
16:47 <+BartJol> quite save
16:47 <+BartJol> don't use storage media other than harddrive
16:50 < SDuensin> Yea, but they want to know stupid things like the directive number in the DoD guidelines that covers a particular subject. Who knows? Who cares? That's why we have a table of contents!
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16:55 <+BartJol> well, you know perl, just give an object reference :)
16:55 < SDuensin> Perl is what got me into this mess!
16:55 <+BartJol> and it gets you out
16:56 < SDuensin> They wanted someone who knew networking, Windows, and Perl. Somewhat an odd mix in the USA where everything in the business world is Microsoft-only.
16:56 < SDuensin> Not as odd as the one job I interviewed for that wanted a Linux system admin who knew Visual Basic 6. Figure that one out.
16:57 <+BartJol> eeh, so he/she be very happy, knowing what not having to use?
16:57 < SDuensin> hehehe
16:58 < SDuensin> Sad to say, I used to be very good with "classic" VB. Even wrote a Descent-clone in it once. (The 3D game, that is.)
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17:57 <+perlDreamer> morning, folks!
17:57 <@Haarg> morning
18:16 <+BartJol> oh and one macro richer
18:17 <+perlDreamer> huh?
18:17 <+perlDreamer> BartJol: Did you grace the WebGUI world with another of your macros?
18:17 <+perlDreamer> there's nothing new in the Bazaar...
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18:18 <+BartJol> well, it's kinda sitre specific
18:19 <+BartJol> it gets 3 thumbnails of screenshots of bazaarItem based on a passed keyword
18:19 <+perlDreamer> cool
18:19 <+BartJol> or better three url's of thumbnails
18:19 <+BartJol> yeah, it actually works at the perl sidew
18:20 <+BartJol> but some of the screenshots are .flv files and not shown with an img tag
18:20 <+BartJol> so it looks buggy, while the code is (off course) awsome :P
18:23 <+perlDreamer> ah, flv files are for heffalumps and woozels
18:23 <+BartJol> and vj's
18:24 <+perlDreamer> flv stands for Files Loved by Vj's ?
18:25 <+BartJol> :), not sure
18:25 <+BartJol> or filth
18:25 <+perlDreamer> ah, that's the name of a band
18:25 <+BartJol> and after all that hard work I only get a "are you gonna fix that" remark
18:25 <+perlDreamer> Filthy Loud Vermin
18:26 <+BartJol> ah
18:26 <+BartJol> cool
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19:50 <@steveo_aa> What DB table record to I check to see what the WebGUI version is within the DB?
19:51 <@steveo_aa> webguiVersion, duh.
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22:56 < carogray> help! site I support at a distance just committed - I think a bunch of styles and it looks as though one is not logged in when one is and admin bar can only be found by adding op=assetManager to end url and then going to view page and then Admin on link appears at bottom of page
22:56 < carogray> ayah lord!
22:56 < carogray> I have managed to get into template
22:57 < carogray> there is an ^AssetProxy("templates/style/wmls-2007-styles");
22:57 < carogray> could the solution be as simple as deleting the "s from this syntax?
22:58 < carogray> ^Admin bar is in the template.
22:58 < carogray> perhaps I should just post templates in thepastebin?
23:02 <+perlDreamer> if you can turn on debug mode in the Settings, it should help narrow down the problem
23:02 <+perlDreamer> the quotes in the AssetProxy aren't required, but shouldn't hurt
23:04 < carogray> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m15a22392
23:04 < carogray> ok
23:04 < carogray> will try that
23:05 < carogray> perlDreamer: where is the debug tool in settings?
23:05 <+perlDreamer> Under the Misc tab
23:06 < carogray> it's asking me for an IP address - do I put in the PlainBlack server that hosts all of our websites?
23:06 < ckotil> this might be it, value="^FileUrl(" collateral/hmflash.swf");">
23:07 <+perlDreamer> extra space
23:08 <+perlDreamer> and no quotes
23:08 <+perlDreamer> quotes are only needed when you have commas
23:08 < carogray> so I should correct to:
23:09 < carogray> value="^FileUrl( collateral/hmflash.swf);>"
23:09 < carogray> ?
23:09 < carogray> i would need quotes for the value=
23:09 <+perlDreamer> yes, and no extra spaces
23:09 < carogray> right?
23:09 <+perlDreamer> yes, because that part is HTML
23:09 < carogray> ok let me give it a try
23:16 < carogray> nope
23:18 < carogray> Word footnote crisis in office - have to go solve, but I will be back
23:18 <@preaction> never knew word footnotes could be a crisis
23:19 <+perlDreamer> only in Word ;)
23:20 < carogray> of course she's on the phone
23:21 < carogray> yes, lawyers have Word crises all the time - deadlines for briefs and pleadings and motions that have to look just right and all be completed yesterday
23:21 < carogray> and of course they are always too busy to go to trainings;)
23:22 <+perlDreamer> trainings have no billable time
23:22 < carogray> so any more ideas on the login admin bar mess
23:22 < carogray> we don't do billable time
23:22 < carogray> we are all on v. low salary - non profit legal aid organizations
23:23 <+perlDreamer> do you have a URL I could look at?
23:23 < carogray> www.wmls.org
23:23 < carogray> PD don't seem to be able to private message you?
23:23 < carogray> or anyone
23:23 <+perlDreamer> really?
23:24 < carogray> using pidgin
23:24 < carogray> oh there you are
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01:27 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie asset-helpers * r3e11f71 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Add the Lock Asset AssetHelper - http://bit.ly/5qkJah
01:27 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie asset-helpers * rbf1953b / README : Update the list of Helpers - http://bit.ly/8mla4I
01:44 <+perlDreamer> what a ripoff!
01:44 <+perlDreamer> if I have 500 Mb of stuff in my dropbox account
01:44 <+perlDreamer> and I have 3 friends with 500 Mb each, and they share their stuff with me, then my account is "full"
01:45 <+perlDreamer> it's nuts!
02:06 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie moose-definition * r0c90162 / (lib/WebGUI/Definition/Role/Asset.pm sbin/testEnvironment.pl): Fix a syntax error, and add a list of newly required modules to testEnvironment.pl - http://bit.ly/89PDpH
02:07 <@Haarg> reminds me
02:07 <@Haarg> need to change the Template Toolkit prereq
02:07 <@Haarg> the module name is just Template, not Template::Toolkit
02:08 <+perlDreamer> it's already fixed upstream
02:08 <+perlDreamer> we need to merge back with master
02:09 <+perlDreamer> in all the wg8 topic branches
02:12 * perlDreamer goes running
02:12 <+perlDreamer> won't be back 'til late tonight
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09:24 < elnino> hi. I want to display my shelf differently when viewed directly vs when it's on a page layout.
09:25 < elnino> will the style template of the shelf be able to access the shelve's template variables?
09:25 <@preaction> put a shortcut on the page layout, make the shortcut override the template of the shelf, hide the original shelf from the page layout
09:25 < elnino> ah! ok.
09:26 < elnino> clever. Thank preaction@
09:26 < elnino> good nite!
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16:28 < SDuensin> Greetings.
16:29 <+bartjol> hello, goodmorning
16:29 <+bartjol> how are you today
16:30 < SDuensin> Not sure yet.
16:30 < SDuensin> :-)
16:30 < SDuensin> Seems someone I do business with had a security breech, so MasterCard turned of my card "just in case".
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16:54 <+bartjol> SDuensin: well use your debet card
16:55 < SDuensin> Not online.
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17:58 <+bartjol> morning Colin
17:58 <+bartjol> could you have a quick look at a macro? It is complaining about undefined values while it shouldn
17:59 <+perlDreamer> yeah, which one, bartjol?
17:59 <+bartjol> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7a3276e2
17:59 <+bartjol> don be scared of the ugly code :)
18:00 <+bartjol> the error comes from line 24
18:00 <+perlDreamer> tavisto: go make a comment about TGC on this handmade Settlers of Catan blog posting: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/12/handmade_settlers_of_catan_gameboar.html#comments
18:00 <+bartjol> the getThumbnailUrl
18:01 <+perlDreamer> not all BazaarItems have Storage locations with images inside them
18:01 <+perlDreamer> also, in addition to throwing an error if the BazaarItem is undef, you should skip to the next item in the array
18:02 <+perlDreamer> you're getting an error like, cannot call method ->getThumbnailUrl on an undefined value?
18:03 <+bartjol> yeah
18:03 <+perlDreamer> that's why. One of the bazaarItem objects cannot be made with new, so new is returning undef
18:04 <+perlDreamer> add a next after you throw the error, and it should work great
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18:06 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8574b68 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Vendor.pm): Fix some bad POD in the Vendor module. Fixes bug #11287 - http://bit.ly/8dEdcV
18:07 <+bartjol> joy, it works!
18:07 <+perlDreamer> awesome!
18:09 <+bartjol> many thanks
18:10 <+bartjol> done before my vacation
18:10 <+perlDreamer> I hope you have a good time
18:11 <+bartjol> I prolly will
18:11 <+bartjol> cold weather, big castles and beer
18:15 <+perlDreamer> in debian, how do I install a .deb file and tell the system to go fetch all its prerequisites?
18:15 <+bartjol> mmm
18:25 <+perlDreamer> got it
18:25 <+perlDreamer> had to install the dependencies manually though
18:33 <@tavisto> haha wow nice PerlDreamer, will do
18:36 <+perlDreamer> subscribing to the make feed makes for a good read
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18:46 < CIA-54> WebGUI: translation * r12424 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/Asset_Collaboration.pm: Updating Dutch on translation server
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21:33 <@steveo_aa> I have a Navigation asset and a snippet that have unique asset ids, the same parent, and the same url. Is there any further complexity in resolving this than hand editing the url of one to be unique and different?
21:33 <@steveo_aa> I know I have to change it in assetData and assetIndex.
21:41 <+perlDreamer> how did they get the same URLs?
21:41 <+perlDreamer> there's a uniqueness check on URLs
21:44 <@steveo_aa> As it turns out, I missed a subtle difference in the urls of each with one having a very small typo.
21:46 <@steveo_aa> I'm trying to find out why a snippet asset with a clean lineage and parentId is breaking when I rebuildLineage on the site.
21:47 <+patspam> hi all
21:47 <+patspam> I went to a talk by the founder of github last night
21:47 <+patspam> insanely awesome architecture
21:48 <+patspam> lots of interconnected subsystems
21:48 <+patspam> rails is only a small part of it
21:48 <+patspam> they use a lot of the Rack stuff (which is what Plack is stealing from)
21:48 <+patspam> and several subsystems that will be available in wg8, like memcached
21:49 <+patspam> got me really excited
22:01 <+perlDreamer> awesome!
22:01 <+perlDreamer> New York sounds like a good place for hackery
22:03 <@Haarg> i read the stuff they posted in their blog about the architecture and it does sounds pretty cool
22:03 <@Haarg> hopefully they get the kinks worked out with it. they've still been having a good bit of downtime.
22:04 <+perlDreamer> Did you read my Dropbox rant yesterday?
22:04 <@Haarg> no
22:04 <+perlDreamer> Dropbox account limits include any folders that are shared from other users
22:05 <+perlDreamer> so, if you have a free account, and your buddy has paid for extra storage, and he shares his folder to you, you've just blown your quota
22:05 <@Haarg> ah yeah
22:05 <@Haarg> it is a bit annoying
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02:47 < elnino> is there a way to have mulitple little calendars, and another master calendar that combines the other small calendars?
02:47 < elnino> is that what the feeds are?
02:47 < elnino> what format do those need to be?
02:48 < elnino> those rss?
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02:50 <+perlDreamer> feeds are in ICS format
02:50 <+perlDreamer> and yes
02:50 <+perlDreamer> you can have lots of little calendars, and aggregate them all into 1 big calendar
02:51 < elnino> oh. never heard of ics.
02:52 < elnino> do wg calendars have feeds?
02:52 <+perlDreamer> yes
02:52 <+perlDreamer> they produce them, and consume them
02:52 < elnino> and I get to them how? func=rss?
02:54 <+perlDreamer> func=ical, I think
02:54 < elnino> ah. ics - ical
02:54 < elnino> k I'll try
02:54 <+perlDreamer> yes :)
02:58 < elnino> oh I see.. I was still entering stuff.. =) Thanks perlDreamer
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03:08 <+perlDreamer> time for dinner, be back tomorrow
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05:31 <@preaction> WebGUIx::Asset now (1) shows up in asset manager, (2) allows view, (3) allows edit and save
05:32 <@preaction> just need to round those three things off and add (4) allows add
05:46 < elnino> when I add a feed to a calendar, how long does it take for it to be Imported?
05:56 < elnino> I set the cache to 1, and still don't see my imported events. Tried another ics and no luck =(
06:07 < elnino> nothing in the logs
06:25 < elnino> interesting, it created version tags
06:37 <@preaction> it's on an hourly schedule
06:38 <@preaction> running with the Hourly Maintenance Tasks
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06:48 < elnino> ok. Thanks preaction. I thought I waited an hour - I guess not.
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08:50 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9476878 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix a call on potentially undefined parent in Gallery Album. Fixes bug #11289. - http://bit.ly/5TJU5Y
08:52 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rcb68965 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix a call on potentially undefined parent in Gallery Album. Fixes bug #11289. - http://bit.ly/7r4VEy
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13:25 < carogray> hi - need help understanding DNS service vs. registrars vs. hosting
13:26 < carogray> just moved a website OFF a plainblack server
13:26 < carogray> name is registered with lowellarea.com
13:27 < carogray> We are using PlainBlack Automat for something, .... wait I will go look all this up again and come back with more intelligent questions
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15:46 < SquOnk> Morning
16:55 < SDuensin> Morning.
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18:29 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, I made a spreadsheet that gives an overview of asset instanciators, setters and fetchers to help me think about the object model. Do you want a copy of it?
18:29 <@Haarg> sure
18:30 <+perlDreamer> It's.... tangled.
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18:36 < SquOnk> perlDreamer, Haarg: How can I help with the SynCon encoding bug?
18:36 < SquOnk> I really need that fixed :-)
18:37 <@Haarg> write a test that can check that a cyrillic feed is decoded properly
18:39 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, which perl are you having the cyrillic problem with?
18:40 <+perlDreamer> I'm pretty sure this is a perl bug, and not a problem on our end.
18:40 <+perlDreamer> the WRE perl works fine, but neither Fedora nor Ubuntu do
18:40 < SquOnk> Haarg: Do you have a non-working test?
18:40 <+perlDreamer> at least for the Kanji character test in Search.t
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18:43 <+perlDreamer> well, for FC 11 and Ubuntu 9.10. FC10 worked fine.
18:43 <+perlDreamer> it could also be a MySQL issue, I guess
18:43 < carogray> quick css question: I think all of our text is in a div id="text" I want certain words to be italicized to be glossary class="glossary" no matter if they are in a list, a table a paragraph etc. How do I put this into the style sheet? Can I just put .glossary {font-style:italic} and then it will inherit all its other characteristics from the p, li or table classes/id's?
18:43 < elnino> hmmm.what would cause emails from a data form to not be sent out, and other sites with a dataform on the same server be working? I restared spectre a a bunch got sent out from the one site
18:43 < carogray> that is word
18:44 <+perlDreamer> carogray, yes.
18:44 < carogray> yay! thanks
18:44 <+perlDreamer> elnino, per site config on the email server is one thing to look at
18:44 <+perlDreamer> email template is another
18:45 <+perlDreamer> check the webgui.log
18:46 < elnino> I believe that site does have a custom email template (its my oldest site) - what would I look for there?
18:46 <@Haarg> SquOnk, http://github.com/haarg/webgui/tree/sc-testing
18:47 <+perlDreamer> elnino, template errors
18:48 <+perlDreamer> also, check the WorkflowInstance table for a stuck instance of pbworkflow00000007
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18:49 < elnino> no, there are no template errors, but Ive seen stuck workflows
18:49 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, i'm pretty sure it isn't a perl bug
18:50 * elnino elnino investiates more brb
18:51 <+perlDreamer> Haarg: and I'm guessing that it's the same as the Kanji character test in Search.t, too
18:51 <+perlDreamer> I don't have any evidence that they're related
18:51 <@Haarg> in the test, when it tries to decode the feed
18:51 < SquOnk> Haarg: So, the test is not passing with the utf8-ru collateral, right?
18:52 <@Haarg> the results just come bacck empty
18:52 <@Haarg> it's failing on a number of things
18:52 <@Haarg> including both the utf8 cyrillic and the iso-8859-5
18:53 < SquOnk> Haarg: Could you change "<" for "<:utf8" in open and try it out?
18:54 <@Haarg> it's not that simple
18:54 < SquOnk> Haarg: ...or "<:encoding(utf8)"
18:54 <@Haarg> it reads it as bytes on purpose
18:55 < SquOnk> Ah, living dangerously.
18:55 <@Haarg> and tests various ways of decodind it
18:55 <@Haarg> some of the tests decode to characters before handing it to the sc
18:55 <@Haarg> some of them don't
18:55 <@Haarg> neither is working
19:04 < elnino> perlDreamer, yep: WebGUI::Operation::Cron::www_runCronJob[295] - Could not create workflow instance for workflowId 'pbworkflow000000000007': It is a singleton workflow and is still running from the last invocation.
19:04 <+perlDreamer> elnino, that can either be a real problem, or a transient issue with spectre scheduling
19:04 < elnino> the furstrating thing is that I've restarted spectre several tiems in the last couple months, and this looks to have been going on for a long time.
19:04 <+perlDreamer> look in the db for 2 things
19:05 <+perlDreamer> 1) persistent emails that never get sent out, by id
19:05 <+perlDreamer> 2) persistent workflow instance that is always stuck
19:05 <+perlDreamer> those are the indicators of the real spectre bug, instead of the short-term scheduling issue I mentioned before.
19:08 < elnino> pbworkflow000000000004 and pbworkflow000000000002 and a couple pbworkflow000000000001 majorit of them are 7, probably a tie between 4 and 1.
19:08 < elnino> I'll look in the database.
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19:16 <+perlDreamer> patspam: are you running Ubuntu 9.10, or 9.4?
19:16 <+patspam> yo
19:16 <+patspam> 9.10
19:21 < elnino> I take it that workflowinstance is the table I wan't to look at. It's empty
19:22 <+perlDreamer> elnino, if WorkflowInstance is empty, then spectre is working fine
19:22 < elnino> right, it all claered up when I restarted spectre.
19:22 < elnino> yesterday.
19:22 <+perlDreamer> elnino: and you're still having problems with emails going out?
19:22 < elnino> I'll test.
19:23 < elnino> I was jsut wondering what would cause one site to hord all it's emails, while others seem to have been working (I get copied on all of them)
19:23 < elnino> testing...
19:26 < elnino> what table is the outgoing emails in? WorkflowInstance as well?
19:26 <+perlDreamer> mailQueue
19:26 < elnino> ah.
19:26 < elnino> I searched for "email"
19:26 < elnino> =)
19:27 < elnino> there it is. I got it. so emails are working.
19:27 <+perlDreamer> are you on 7.6, elnino?
19:27 < elnino> I'm just going to setup a cron to email me stuck emails. that will work for now.
19:27 < elnino> yes.
19:27 < elnino> I want to upgrade soon
19:28 < elnino> but I have a feeling I will have a lot of css fixing with the template changes. so probably after Christmas
19:28 <+perlDreamer> the common spectre solution is to restart it every 6 hours or so with a cron job
19:29 < elnino> thought about that too. I had a cron doing that, but I disabled it long ago for some reason.
19:29 < elnino> it was mixed in iwth other maintainance stuff.
19:37 < elnino> hmm. I have three sites with stuck emails. two I know why, the other I dont, hmm. probably the same reason. maybe they were messing the others.
19:40 < elnino> ok. weird.
19:41 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, all those tests also fail on WRE 0.9.3
19:41 <@Haarg> yeah
19:41 <+perlDreamer> so much for my simple character handling failure idea
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19:55 < elnino> In workflowinstance, if the status is disabled, but it's been running since a old date, how should I interpret that? It gave up?
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20:50 <+perlDreamer> I'm going to be gone the rest of the day, riding on steam trains!
20:50 <+perlDreamer> catch y'all later
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21:42 < dionak> tavisto, i've been chatting with Henry Tang. Got his presentation from him.
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22:00 <@tavisto> hey Dionak, Great, is that something you were waiting on me for?
22:01 <@tavisto> I haven't been very accessible because of some major projects I've been tasked with. I know we still need to get you fixed up on the WebGUI Worldwide.
22:09 < dionak> i had asked for it (was it yesterday?)
22:09 < dionak> but ended up finding Henry on FB
22:09 < dionak> yes, you had mentioned you've been slammed
22:09 <@steveo_aa> It appears that when I have an object of WebGUI::Asset::File::Image, that when I $asset->purge, the storage location goes away even if there are other assets in that storage location. Is their a friendlier way to delete a particular stored asset that only deletes the stored item without wiping out the storage location too?
22:11 < dionak> it would be very helpful to be able to edit our info on the webgui sites as it exists in various places. Let's catch up after the holidays, tavisto
22:11 < dionak> when things will be a bit slower
22:12 <@Haarg> steveo_aa, if there is a file asset that shares a storage location with another file asset, they are broken
22:12 <@Haarg> everything assumes the storage locations are unique to the asset revision because that's how it is supposed to work
22:13 <@Haarg> you may want to make a script that looks for duplicates and makes new storage locations for cases it finds
22:13 <@steveo_aa> You are saying that I can't have several images in a storage location, each with different assetIds because that breaks API assumptions?
22:14 <@Haarg> yes
22:15 <@steveo_aa> It seems that in my instance, avatars may be in the same storage location as profile photos.
22:15 <@steveo_aa> If I delete the avatar asset, the photo goes away
22:16 <@steveo_aa> I either have an abandoned avatar asset, or a photo asset that points to nothing.
22:16 <@steveo_aa> Hmm.
22:17 <@steveo_aa> Mark the asset as trash? Maybe that would be satisfactory.
22:19 <@steveo_aa> Is that a field accessible to $asset->update()?
22:19 <@Haarg> yes
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22:28 <@steveo_aa> How would I go about copying a file from one storage location to another?
22:29 <@steveo_aa> addFileFromFilesystem with the $store->getPath($filename)?
22:29 <@Haarg> $storage->copy will duplicate the entire storage location
22:30 <@steveo_aa> Ok
22:30 <@Haarg> it also can accept a file list if you only want to include certain files
22:31 <@steveo_aa> certain files? I'm confused. A storage location should reference only one file right?
22:31 <@steveo_aa> I mean an asset with a storage location...
22:33 <@Haarg> storage locations can include multiple files, but file assets usually only store onne
22:34 <@steveo_aa> Sounds like a catch 22. A storage location can have multiple files, and an asset can reference only on file in a storage location, but multple assets can not refer to the same storage location without problems.
22:34 <@Haarg> i wasn't clear if you were dealing with a case with multiple files or not
22:37 <@steveo_aa> So, I can throw a bunch of files into a storage location but reference them using only one asset, getting them from their storage path, but then I can't address those items without additional logic using the storage object, because if I use the asset object, my results may not be what I expect.
22:37 <@steveo_aa> using the asset object as a container reference only.
22:38 <@steveo_aa> Hmm.
22:40 <@Haarg> the file asset itself will only ever store one file in a storage location
22:40 <@Haarg> other things may use storage locations differently
22:41 <@Haarg> also, storage locations are assumed to be single purpose
22:41 <@Haarg> as in, they only belong to a single asset, or to a single user profile, or whatever other use
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22:48 <@steveo_aa> That's a lot of overhead. Was this a security issue?
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23:11 < seriftron> is it possible to transfer the items of a cart to a cart in another webgui instance? this was working with two carts on the same instance with op=sssoViaSessionId, but it's not working between two different instances
23:12 < seriftron> excuse me, by "instance", i mean "site"
23:13 < seriftron> :q
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23:18 <@steveo_aa> Wouldn't both sites need to use the same database? Otherwise the new site wouldn't know the detail of the cart.
23:18 < seriftron> That may be the case. I wanted to see if it could be done before I started debugging too much
23:19 <@steveo_aa> It would seem if they don't share a DB your only recourse is a secure API communication path that transmits the data to the new site behind the scenes.
23:19 < seriftron> That makes sense.
23:20 < dionak> how would that work tho, in practice?
23:20 <@steveo_aa> A web site address that accepts a post and does authentication on the stream?
23:21 <@steveo_aa> If you have SSL, then you can do it without exposing the data to the network.
23:21 < dionak> makes sense.
23:22 <@steveo_aa> Or you can expose your DB through security rules and have the new site actually open a db connection to the old site. Again, security is important.
23:23 <@steveo_aa> My preference is to not do this second one if possilble.
23:24 <@steveo_aa> But it might solve some problems if you are certain you have it completely contained behind a firewall.
23:24 <@steveo_aa> You can expose it more, but then there is more risk.
23:25 <@steveo_aa> ssh tunneling can work.
23:25 <@steveo_aa> I still prefer the API path though.
23:25 <@steveo_aa> Less things to break, or expose.
23:27 <@steveo_aa> More portable too if the sites move around.
23:33 <@steveo_aa> More questions about storage...
23:35 <@steveo_aa> nm, I have an idea.
23:38 < seriftron> Thanks, Steve
23:41 < seriftron> I think we're going to go with a more straightforward solution that will allow us to process the cart on the same site...the project in question has enough custom code to maintain as is ;)
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01:56 <+cap10morgan> how crazy of a change would it be to split the cache table onto a different database server?
01:56 <+cap10morgan> would that require a complete rewrite of webgui, or would it not be that difficult?
01:57 <@preaction> it would probably just be a new cache driver
01:57 <@preaction> but it wouldn't work with WebGUI 8 (which is using memcached exclusively)
01:57 <+cap10morgan> sure
01:57 <+cap10morgan> i'm just trying to think of ways to optimize v7 in the meantime
01:58 <@preaction> perhaps have a single master database on a seperate server, and run read-only slaves on the web nodes (since cache queries should be pulled from the slaves)
01:59 <+cap10morgan> if you setup a slave db in the webgui config, does it run cache queries on that?
02:01 <@preaction> i just checked, looks like actually no, but that wouldn't be hard to change
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02:02 <+cap10morgan> is it explicitly not using the slave for that for some reason?
02:02 <+cap10morgan> that seems like a fairly huge optimization
02:02 <@preaction> i don't know
02:02 <+cap10morgan> hmm...
02:03 <@preaction> not many people use the dbSlave configuration
02:04 <+cap10morgan> i'm getting a ton of select content from cache queries in my slow query log
02:04 <+cap10morgan> which seems very bad
02:04 <@preaction> yes it does
02:04 <+cap10morgan> but when i run them manually, they execute very fast
02:05 <@preaction> perhaps repair table and optimize table?
02:05 <+cap10morgan> my slow query threshold is 5 seconds
02:05 <+cap10morgan> hmm, yes, i should do that
02:05 <@preaction> perhaps also up the key cache size to make sure the entire cache table's keys stay in memory?
02:05 <@preaction> are you load-balanced?
02:05 <+cap10morgan> yes
02:06 <+cap10morgan> yes, i need to increase the key buffer size too
02:06 <+cap10morgan> monyog recommended that
02:06 <@preaction> or, if the db is centralized, perhaps putting the cache table as a memory table would speed things up?
02:06 <+cap10morgan> oh, interesting, i didn't know you could do that; but makes perfect sense
02:06 <+cap10morgan> i'm getting a ton of disk reads too
02:06 <+cap10morgan> so that might be it right there
02:07 <@preaction> i wish we were using CIH in the WebGUI 8, then we could have configurability (a choice between memcached and fast mmap_
02:12 <+cap10morgan> oh, memory tables don't support blobs
02:12 <+cap10morgan> so cache can't be a memory table
02:12 <@preaction> that sucks
02:14 <+cap10morgan> yeah...
02:14 <+cap10morgan> huge key buffer it is!
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07:18 < elnino> where in the world do I modify tinyMCE to add additional fonts?
07:19 < elnino> which skin?
07:20 < elnino> advanced
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20:22 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, in Class::MOP land, an attribute is a piece of data stuck inside the object? And accessors/mutators are methods which are generated to get/set attributes?
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22:32 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie moose-definition * r4cc1576 / lib/WebGUI/Definition.pm : Fix a POD type in Definition. - http://bit.ly/8neTEb
22:32 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie moose-definition * ra1957b3 / lib/WebGUI/Definition/Meta/Property.pm : POD for Definition::Meta::Property. - http://bit.ly/5jgZbI
22:32 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie moose-definition * r8491775 / lib/WebGUI/Definition/Meta/Property/Asset.pm :
22:32 < CIA-54> webgui: POD for Definition/Meta/Property/Asset.pm
22:32 < CIA-54> webgui: Adopted the style of postfix POD when dealing with Moose specific
22:32 < CIA-54> webgui: code. It's much easier to read both. - http://bit.ly/68pFyH
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00:23 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie moose-definition * r129f675 / lib/WebGUI/Definition/Meta/Asset.pm : POD for WebGUI::Definition::Meta::Property::Asset - http://bit.ly/5oFvia
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22:31 <+cap10morgan> I have a 7.5.40 -> 7.7.27 upgrade that's crashing in the revert use packed step. can I just comment out addTemplatePacking and revertUsePacked in the 7.6.35 -> 7.7.17 upgrade file?
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22:44 <+cap10morgan> oh, no, i can't do that
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01:01 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5a25a44 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm): Made Asset Manager search too sticky. - http://bit.ly/5bupls
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01:18 <+perlDreamer> hm
01:18 <+perlDreamer> 3 a's
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16:58 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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19:23 <+perlDreamer> morning, folks
19:24 <@Haaarg> morning
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19:28 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, have you reviewed the POD for glaring issues and outright lies?
19:37 <@Haarg> seems accurate
19:37 <+perlDreamer> I spent quite a bit of time at Wikipedia this weekend, my lack of formal CS training makes the Moose docs difficult to use
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20:06 <@steveo_aa> I am working with a WebGUI::Asset::File::Image. My goal is to create an asset that is a child to the primary image so that it can be handled independently. This works fine 99% of the time, however if the primary image asset is still pending, addChild returns an error of "can't call method get on an undefined value line 660" which is a call to getParent within 'fixUrl' of the new asset. Any suggestions for getting core WG to complete this would be appreciat
20:08 <@Haarg> line 660 of what file?
20:08 <+perlDreamer> Asset.pm
20:08 <@steveo_aa> Asset.pm
20:08 <@steveo_aa> Can I pass a url to the addChild method to circumvent this?
20:09 <+perlDreamer> seems like they should be created inside the same version tag, if the parent is pending
20:09 <+perlDreamer> wasn't some code added to the core to handle that situation?
20:09 <@steveo_aa> I don't know if the recent code handles getting a parent asset by newPending.
20:12 <+perlDreamer> which version are you using?
20:13 <@steveo_aa> 7.7.19 with 22 patches to AssetVersioning
20:13 <+perlDreamer> backported patches, or custom patches, and do all the Asset tests pass?
20:15 <@steveo_aa> backported patches, but apparently the test wasn't patched.
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20:17 <@steveo_aa> I think part of my issue is that most of my assets are committed and the process works fine. However, I'm not sure how to instantiate a versioned asset so that I can perform a similar action on versioned/pending assets.
20:18 <@steveo_aa> Since the result of the activity itself does not have to be approved.
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20:23 < CIA-54> webgui: Graham Knop moose-definition * rfdb72a6 / (3 files in 3 dirs): small adjustments - http://bit.ly/8vGsfC
20:23 < CIA-54> webgui: Graham Knop moose-definition * rc7995b7 / (lib/WebGUI/Definition.pm lib/WebGUI/Definition/Asset.pm): Fix applying roles - http://bit.ly/6u1w2o
20:23 < CIA-54> webgui: Graham Knop moose-definition * rbb26672 / (2 files in 2 dirs): adding some methods to role, other small cleanups - http://bit.ly/8cDGV4
20:23 < CIA-54> webgui: Graham Knop moose-definition * r2c7eb74 / (3 files in 3 dirs): change table to tableName in definition - http://bit.ly/5oRThx
20:23 < CIA-54> webgui: Graham Knop moose-definition * rc2fca8e / t/Definition.t : some additional definition testing - http://bit.ly/4zkMCN
20:24 <@steveo_aa> Ok, I've applied the patch set which includes the test updates for this particular issue and it passes. I'll retry my code.
20:24 <@steveo_aa> Which fails because I'm not acquiring a versioned asset.
20:25 <@steveo_aa> Should I not be using newPending?
20:26 <+perlDreamer> all assets are versioned
20:27 <+perlDreamer> newPending only retrieves the latest, committed version of an Asset.
20:27 <+perlDreamer> but getParent uses newByDynamicClass in recent WebGUI's
20:27 <+perlDreamer> so I'm not exactly sure what the problem is
20:29 <@steveo_aa> http://webgui.pastebin.com/d2baf160a
20:29 <@steveo_aa> newPending gets the latest version of an asset regardless of status
20:30 <@steveo_aa> I assume 'pending' is an uncommitted status.
20:34 <@steveo_aa> Experimented with passing a url of my own creation to addChild and have avoided the error message.
21:05 <@steveo_aa> That seems like an inconsistency. Being able to addChild to a non-committed asset as long as you supply the url. fixUrl should probably be smarter.
21:11 <@steveo_aa> Bug ticket submitted.
21:17 <+perlDreamer> If that was true, wouldn't it be required that you commit a page before adding a sub-asset (Article) to it?
21:39 * perlDreamer steps out for some rope work
21:46 <+cap10morgan> in 7.7.27, when i try to access a function that needs admin access, webgui sends back a 401 Admin only response
21:46 <+cap10morgan> which confuses the hell out of modproxy
21:46 <+cap10morgan> and you just get a proxy error in your browser
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21:53 <@Haarg> odd
21:54 <@Haarg> that behavior hasn't changed as far as i know, but using a 401 in that case isn't really correct
21:54 <+cap10morgan> it's also strange because I *am* the admin
21:55 <+cap10morgan> it looks like the listLDAPLinks op is doing this on all my sites
21:55 <+cap10morgan> in 7.7.27
21:55 <+cap10morgan> i'll open a bug report
21:58 <+cap10morgan> it then sends the "admins only" response page back too
21:58 <+cap10morgan> which is probably what's confusing the proxy
21:58 <+cap10morgan> since there shouldn't be any response after a 401, right?
21:59 <@Haarg> sending back html or anything else with a 401 is fine
22:00 <@Haarg> what version of apache are you using?
22:01 <+cap10morgan> oh ok
22:01 <+cap10morgan> 2.2
22:01 <+cap10morgan> this is coming from the apache bundled w/ the wre 0.9.3
22:02 <@Haarg> i'll have to test that out when i get a chance. i wouldn't expect modproxy to barf on that even though we aren't following the http spec
22:02 <+cap10morgan> yeah, weird. i get "invalid response from an upstream server"
22:03 <@Haarg> is this somewhere you can mess with the code? you could try changing it to a 403 error
22:03 <+cap10morgan> i don't even know why / where the code is generating an error
22:04 <+cap10morgan> since i am the admin
22:04 <@Haarg> lib/WebGUI/Session/Privilege.pm line 61
22:04 <+cap10morgan> that's half the bug right there
22:04 <@Haarg> yeah, seems like two issues
22:04 <+cap10morgan> yep
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22:12 <@Haarg> cap10morgan, what is the full version of apache you are using? i don't remember what is in the wre 0.9.3.
22:13 <@Haarg> i just tested with 2.2.11 (wre 0.9.1) and the 401 error worked fine any modproxy just passed it on. so unless there is something different about how your version of apache is acting there is something going on elsewhere.
22:14 <+cap10morgan> well, ok, it's fine if we assume the 401 is on my end for now
22:14 <+cap10morgan> mainly i'd like to see and edit my ldap connections :)
22:14 <+cap10morgan> i'm not seeing anything readily at hand that tells me the full version of apache in 0.9.3
22:15 <@Haarg> /data/wre/prereqs/bin/httpd -V
22:15 <+cap10morgan> 2.2.11
22:16 <@Haarg> so the same build i have
22:16 <+cap10morgan> but the modproxy side isn't a wre build
22:16 <+cap10morgan> so it could be something there, or an interaction bug
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22:47 <@preaction> SynQ: do you have an e-mail address you prefer? need to send you something
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23:05 <+perlDreamer> there has to be a way to get sleep N out of the tests
23:09 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra276c34 / (5 files in 5 dirs):
23:09 < CIA-54> webgui: Fix bug #11286: Tell the difference between end of Workflow, and unable to load WorkflowActivity.
23:09 < CIA-54> webgui: Tests are added for new methods. The changes to Workflow::Instance->run are peripherally
23:09 < CIA-54> webgui: tested in Workflow Activity tests. - http://bit.ly/6X0oO8
23:09 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r89ea0e7 / t/Workflow/Activity/ArchiveOldStories.t : use addToCleanup instead of an END block. - http://bit.ly/4smybL
23:09 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc845849 / (5 files in 5 dirs):
23:09 < CIA-54> webgui: Fix bug #11286: Tell the difference between end of Workflow, and unable to load WorkflowActivity.
23:09 < CIA-54> webgui: Tests are added for new methods. The changes to Workflow::Instance->run are peripherally
23:09 < CIA-54> webgui: tested in Workflow Activity tests. - http://bit.ly/4HFhSo
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01:09 < SynQ> preaction: thanks for the mail
01:09 < SynQ> I'lll sleep on it :)
01:09 < SynQ> nite
01:09 <@preaction> night
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01:57 <+perlDreamer> cap10morgan, on a source install of wG 7.7.28 the LDAP links are working fine. As Admin, I get to the list links screen.
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01:58 <+cap10morgan> well, crap.
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01:58 <+cap10morgan> i'm not seeing anything in the error log
01:58 <+cap10morgan> no idea how to debug this.
01:59 <+perlDreamer> have you checked the settings?
01:59 <+perlDreamer> which Group is set to Admin LDAP links?
01:59 <+perlDreamer> and make sure Admin is in that group
01:59 <+cap10morgan> Admins
01:59 <+cap10morgan> it is
01:59 <+cap10morgan> so is one other account that doesn't work
02:00 <+perlDreamer> hm
02:00 <+perlDreamer> Group lookups are cached
02:00 <+perlDreamer> what happens if you flush the cache, and try again?
02:02 <+cap10morgan> i deleted the cache not long ago
02:02 <+cap10morgan> i can try again...
02:02 <+perlDreamer> are you running file, or DB cache?
02:03 <+cap10morgan> DB
02:08 <+cap10morgan> same problem w/ emptied cache
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02:12 <+perlDreamer> on the WRE, something interesting happened
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02:13 <+perlDreamer> WebGUI ships with a default, busted LDAP link, which is required for other things like Auth to work right.
02:13 <+perlDreamer> the list of LDAP links now includes a status line, which checks each link to see if you can bind to it
02:13 <+perlDreamer> the bind takes a very, very long time (because it will never occur), and modproxy times out
02:14 <+perlDreamer> but I didn't get any permission denied errors
02:15 <+cap10morgan> perlDreamer: you're a genius
02:15 <+cap10morgan> when i delete that busted link from the DB, the page loads instantly
02:15 <+cap10morgan> i think that's exactly what's happening here
02:15 <+perlDreamer> but I thought you were getting "Permission denied"?
02:15 <+cap10morgan> i was getting "401 Admin only" when i telnet'ed to the port and accessed it
02:16 <+cap10morgan> in my web browser, i only ever saw, "proxy error"
02:16 <+perlDreamer> that's because your telnet session has no session variables, so you're a Visitor
02:16 <+cap10morgan> yep
02:16 <+cap10morgan> that's true
02:16 <+cap10morgan> :)
02:16 <+perlDreamer> how do we tell Net::LDAP not to sit and spin forever?
02:17 <+perlDreamer> also, w.r.t deleting that link, there's a setting somewhere that makes it the Default LDAP Link
02:18 <+perlDreamer> if you delete the default LDAP link, you should reset the Default LDAP Link as well, otherwise something else will be busted.
02:18 <+cap10morgan> i updated the bug report
02:18 <+cap10morgan> i'll be adding a new, legit, default link
02:33 <+perlDreamer> I think, with all this, that I absolutely despise LDAP more than Windows
02:37 <+cap10morgan> LDAP is the most ridiculously over-engineered tech i've ever encountered
02:37 <+cap10morgan> i would murder it if it were a person
02:37 <+cap10morgan> it's a friggin directory, for cryin' out loud. key = value, lather, rinse, repeat.
02:39 < mducharme1> heh
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02:40 <+perlDreamer> and WebGUI's implementation of it doesn't help. In the past, everything was wrapped. It should be subclassed and extended where necessary.
02:44 < mducharme> just as an idea, why don't you do a pre-check to see if there is even something listening on that ip, port 389
02:44 < mducharme> you can just use a telnet lib for that.. if something picks up, then you know ldap is running, if a connection is not established, then it is down
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03:59 <@preaction> good or bad: my CHI version of WebGUI::Cache is faster than the original version (even when using memcached. when using fastmmap it's even faster)
03:59 <@preaction> by how much? how about 200%?
04:01 <+perlDreamer> how does it compare to wg8 caching?
04:01 <@preaction> it also has only 1/10th the amount of code
04:01 <@preaction> that's what i'm comparing it with
04:01 <@preaction> i'm using a real-world comparison: group lookups from the alumni site
04:06 <+perlDreamer> that's a good cache test
04:07 <+perlDreamer> your plugin has 1/10th the code, or the combo of CHI + your code has 1/10th the code?
04:07 <@preaction> my plugin
04:08 <@preaction> but the code in CHI is not my responsibility
04:10 <@preaction> maybe i should stop being all panicky before i get reproducable results
04:12 <+perlDreamer> why should you be panicky?
04:12 <+perlDreamer> MWG is your babe
04:13 <+perlDreamer> besides, that's my gig
04:13 <+perlDreamer> _I_ am supposed to get panicky before getting reproducible results
04:14 <+perlDreamer> there isn't room for two of us to do that
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04:43 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7261ecd / (4 files in 4 dirs): Fix an infinite loop in getting LDAP error messages. Fixes bug #11296 - http://bit.ly/5gCVeD
04:43 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rf769007 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Fix an infinite loop in getting LDAP error messages. Fixes bug #11296 - http://bit.ly/4XAoOn
04:44 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r93cf8f6 / lib/WebGUI/LDAPLink.pm : Remove abbreviated timeout added for testing/debugging. - http://bit.ly/4x1yYc
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05:41 <+perlDreamer> cap10morgan, one other thing to consider
05:41 <+perlDreamer> the default LDAP bind timeout is 120 seconds
05:41 <+perlDreamer> and WebGUI and Apache won't wait that long
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08:16 <+perlDreamer> time for old men to go to bed
08:16 <+perlDreamer> 'night, all
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16:11 < SquOnk> Greetings
16:11 < SquOnk> Looking for opinions
16:13 < SquOnk> I'm going to use WebGUI to handle my personal page. Most of it will be plain blog articles both personal and academic (the courses I teach at the local university)
16:13 < SquOnk> Now, I want to publish _grades_ there. Grading rules are quite specific to this University, and rules vary depending on the specific course.
16:13 < SquOnk> For instance:
16:14 < SquOnk> I teach a course which has 1-100 marks, but then I have to translate that to a scale of 1-5 using percentages.
16:14 < SquOnk> Marks can be spread any way I see fit, like: 30 marks, 30 marks and 40 marks spread over three tests.
16:14 < SquOnk> Or I could go, 30, 20, 20, 30...
16:15 < SquOnk> But then, there are other courses where I can only give up to 30 marks, the 70 remaining ones are "out of my jurisdiction" so I don't do the final translation to the 1-5 scale.
16:16 < SquOnk> I must keep progressive grading at all times. This means the grading page has to do the running total and the current 1-5 translation at all times.
16:17 < SquOnk> I also must mark pending grades (like when a student is sick or otherwise unable to attend a test or submit an assignment)
16:17 < SquOnk> Does that sound as a useful general Asset? "Grading Asset"
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17:29 <+MrHairgrease> hey mr patspam
17:29 <+patspam> hey hey!
17:29 <+MrHairgrease> it's weird to see you up at these hours =)
17:29 <+MrHairgrease> are you already used to the state?
17:29 <+MrHairgrease> s
17:30 <+patspam> still adjusting my english
17:30 <+MrHairgrease> hehe
17:30 <+patspam> every now and then i say something and people look at me funny
17:32 <+patspam> for example, "entree" in an american restaurant means the main course
17:32 < Socrates> :P
17:32 <+patspam> even in french restaurants
17:32 < Socrates> patspam: lol
17:34 <+MrHairgrease> weird
17:35 <+MrHairgrease> Thinkinghow big the main courses would be in French restaurants over there scares me a bit
17:35 <+patspam> heh yeah, you never go home hungry
17:35 <+patspam> I'm turning into fatspam
17:35 <+MrHairgrease> That is
17:35 <+MrHairgrease> IF you live to go home anyway
17:36 <+patspam> hehe
17:53 < Socrates> patspam: do you live in ny city? or suburbs?
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17:59 <+patspam> currently on long island, but moving to brooklyn this weekend
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18:37 <+perlDreamer> morning, folks!
18:37 <+MrHairgrease> hi pd!
18:40 <+perlDreamer> MrHairgrease, how you doing, man?
18:40 <+perlDreamer> haven't seen you in a long time
18:41 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
18:41 <+MrHairgrease> I've been busy with my char magick project
18:41 <+MrHairgrease> and some other stuff
18:44 <+MrHairgrease> but that means I haven't seen you in a long time as well
18:44 <+MrHairgrease> everything ok?
18:45 <+perlDreamer> Everything is okay
18:45 <+perlDreamer> Kathy is in nursing school
18:45 <+perlDreamer> Boys are doing well
18:46 <+MrHairgrease> good
18:46 <+perlDreamer> The rate of bug fixing exceeds the rate of bug creation in WebGUI
18:46 <+perlDreamer> I switched from Fedora to Ubuntu
18:46 <+MrHairgrease> finally
18:47 <+MrHairgrease> speaking about quick bug fixers
18:47 <+MrHairgrease> those guys from imagemagick are also pretty quick in respomnding
18:47 <+MrHairgrease> http://www.imagemagick.org/discourse-server/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15175
18:48 <+MrHairgrease> It took them less than 4 hours to respond and reproduce
18:48 <@preaction> to be fair, you posted a very detailed bug report
18:49 <+MrHairgrease> sure
18:49 <+MrHairgrease> but still
18:49 <@preaction> yeah, they could've just sat on it
18:49 <+MrHairgrease> SInce I found mentions of the bug in IM forum posts more than a year old
18:50 <+MrHairgrease> I figured this would take forever
18:50 <@preaction> yeah, but did anyone else take the triage as far as you did?
18:50 <+MrHairgrease> http://studio.imagemagick.org/pipermail/magick-users/2008-March/020888.html
18:51 <+MrHairgrease> bu then again, that was posted to a user list
18:51 <+MrHairgrease> not to the bug forum thingy they have
18:52 <+MrHairgrease> anyway, all I wanted to say was that I was happily surprised
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18:56 <+perlDreamer> MrHairgrease, can I put a bug in your ear about the VIES retry workflow?
18:57 <+MrHairgrease> yes you can
18:57 <+MrHairgrease> sorry I still haven't finished that thing
18:57 <+perlDreamer> iirc, it's all done, just some testing hangups
18:58 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
19:00 <+MrHairgrease> well the big hangup being that it was on my other laptop, and then I couldn't find it my git repo anymore, and then finding it agian but having other urgent stuff to do and then forgetting about it alltogether, getting remineded by you forgetting about it etc etc etc
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19:00 <+reallyBigNag> :)
19:00 <+MrHairgrease> no
19:00 <+MrHairgrease> that's okay
19:00 <+MrHairgrease> I told you to spam me about it
19:01 <+MrHairgrease> but you didn't =)
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19:07 <+perlDreamer> MrHairgrease, we only have a handful of bugs right now, so the odds of being able to declare 7.8 stable, and start the branch for 7.9, are good
19:07 <+MrHairgrease> ok, when wil you branch?
19:07 <@preaction> as soon as 7.8 is declared stable
19:08 <@preaction> which is as soon as we get an RC that doesn't have more bugs than the previous RC
19:08 <+MrHairgrease> yes, but that will not be before the weekend?
19:08 <+perlDreamer> no
19:08 <@preaction> no
19:08 <+perlDreamer> every other Tuesday
19:08 <+MrHairgrease> yeah i know
19:08 <+MrHairgrease> just checking
19:08 <+perlDreamer> so, one week from today is the next release of 7.8
19:09 <+MrHairgrease> ok, i'll finish it before then then
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19:18 <@preaction> http://gist.github.com/251815 <- WebGUI 8's caching is BARELY better than no caching at all
19:18 <@preaction> the CHI memcached driver is faster than ours
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19:20 <+perlDreamer> those numbers don't jive with JT's earlier data
19:20 <+MrHairgrease> JT probably looked angry at the benchmark
19:21 <+perlDreamer> with a raised eyebrow :)
19:21 <+MrHairgrease> indeed, his 2009 look =)
19:21 <+perlDreamer> hang on, preaction, I may have misspoke. There's no WebGUI 7 column in there
19:22 <@preaction> yeah, there isn't the old caching in there at all
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19:23 <@preaction> but i suppose i should try it somehow
19:23 <+perlDreamer> and this is the Alumni groups caching setup?
19:23 <@preaction> yes
19:24 <@preaction> 500,000 groupings, 60,000 users. a random sampling of 100 users and 10 groups,
19:25 <@preaction> http://gist.github.com/251823 <- this is the script i'm using
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19:32 <+perlDreamer> hard to argue with a 2X improvement :)
19:33 <+perlDreamer> how does it do on content caching?
19:34 <@preaction> don't know
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19:41 <@preaction> http://gist.github.com/251833 <- this meshes even worse with JT's old numbers
19:41 <@preaction> WebGUI DB and WebGUI File are the old File and DB backed caches
19:42 <@preaction> hm... mysql could be caching the user/group lookups
19:43 <+perlDreamer> until we see the case where wg8 memcached is faster than wg7, the data is suspect
19:44 <@preaction> why isn't JT's data suspect?
19:44 <+perlDreamer> it is, too
19:44 <+perlDreamer> they don't agree
19:44 <+perlDreamer> so they are either testing different things
19:44 <+perlDreamer> or were run on substantially different setup
19:44 <+perlDreamer> or something else
19:45 <+perlDreamer> maybe his original testing stuff in in the memcached branch?
19:49 <@preaction> ah, there. he wasn't testing using any part of the WebGUI API
19:49 <@preaction> so, not testing real usage
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19:50 <+perlDreamer> where's the script?
19:51 <@preaction> his script? dunno. i just made some adjustments and saw his results
19:51 <+perlDreamer> ah
19:51 <+perlDreamer> so the caching is natively faster, but the caching APIs are different
19:51 <@preaction> http://gist.github.com/251850 <- these results
19:52 <@preaction> no, i made a WebGUI::CHI that copies WebGUI::Cache's API
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19:53 <@preaction> this is just testing set()
19:53 <@preaction> which is why Null is the fastest (it doesn't do anything)
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19:54 <@preaction> and here is the inherent problem with caching: Every site has a different "fastest cache"
19:55 <@preaction> we simply cannot do this silver-bullet crap
19:56 <+perlDreamer> how about if you put it all into a repo, and asked lots of people to run a non-destructive benchmark?
19:57 <@preaction> but if we choose one solution, anyone who had a dissenting opinion of "fastest" would be left in the cold
19:58 <@preaction> okay, i'll add it to a repo and see what happens
19:59 <+perlDreamer> that's your argument for using CHI?
19:59 <+perlDreamer> WebGUI has always pointed itself at good performance on a broad market, so a single solution seems best to me
20:00 < ckotil> have a tuneable cache based on results from the test
20:01 <@preaction> that's my argument for CHI, it has to be tuneable and configurable.
20:01 <@preaction> i want to know: where is PB going to get the extra RAM for memcached on our shared-host servers?
20:01 <@preaction> that's what started this whole damn thing...
20:11 < CIA-54> webgui: Doug Bell 8-cache-bench * r6eb4679 / README : added readme - http://bit.ly/6HzNbR
20:15 <+perlDreamer> I'll try running that after gym/lunch/kids pick-up
20:15 <+perlDreamer> which means about 3:00pm PST
20:16 <+perlDreamer> You should try to muscle as many PB people to do it
20:16 <+perlDreamer> and then we put a notice out on the dev list
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20:35 < CIA-54> webgui: Doug Bell 8-cache-bench * r706c827 / sbin/benchCache.pl : modified benchmark to test more - http://bit.ly/6hcjYd
20:37 < SquOnk> re
20:39 < CIA-54> webgui: Doug Bell 8-cache-bench * r181f2d4 / README : updated readme - http://bit.ly/8u048P
20:42 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Is 7.7.28 coming out tonight/tomorrow?
20:43 <@preaction> tonight
20:43 < SquOnk> Good
20:43 < SquOnk> Say I have an old 7.5.40 installation and need to upgrade to 7.7.something...
20:43 < SquOnk> ...can I run the 7.5.40-7.6.whatever upgrade script under the 7.7 codebase?
20:44 <@preaction> no
20:44 <@preaction> you need to be at the 7.6 codebase
20:44 < SquOnk> preaction: So, I actually need to install 7.6 first.
20:44 <@preaction> yeah
20:45 < SquOnk> Hmmm
20:46 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: No luck on the SynCont UTF-8 bug, right?
20:48 < SquOnk> Good news in the Debian front.
20:49 < SquOnk> Testing (soon to be Squeezy) had webgui 7.5.40...
20:49 < SquOnk> ...this was so because YUI wasn't being upgraded because moodle wasn't cooperating...
20:50 < SquOnk> ...someone made moodle cooperate with the latest YUI, so moodle is moving on to testing tomorrow and webgui 7.7 will too.
20:50 <@preaction> sweet
20:50 < SquOnk> That means Debian Squeezy should have no less than the latest 7.7 and probably 7.8
20:51 < SquOnk> My question regarding upgrades has to do with that. Since Squeezy is going to have, say, 7.8, I'm trying to figure out how to help a user move from Squeezy to Squeezy+1
20:51 < SquOnk> Say Squeezy+1 carries webgui-7.9.
20:51 < SquOnk> To move from 7.7 to 7.9 I would need to have the 7.8 codebase, and that's not gonna happen.
20:52 <@preaction> you can't have the .deb upgrade pull a 7.8 to use to upgrade with?
20:52 < SquOnk> preaction: Upgrades are handled within the package.
20:53 < SquOnk> preaction: That means the "new" package must have everything needed to upgrade from the "old" package.
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20:53 < SquOnk> preaction: That's why I asked whether or not I could run the 7.5->7.6 upgrade using the 7.7 codebase.
20:54 < SquOnk> preaction: Sticking a script in the "new" package is one thing. Having to stick a _whole_ codebase is a no no.
20:54 <@preaction> include a patch that will change it from 7.7 to 7.8?
20:54 < SquOnk> preaction: That would work.
20:55 <@preaction> i mean, it'll be a big patch, and if they did anything stupid it will not apply cleanly, but it might work
20:55 < SquOnk> preaction: I follow you, sure. I have to work out the details, anyway.
20:56 < SquOnk> preaction: I'm also thinking about having webgui as a volatile package. The official distro (the "CDs" have, say, webgui-7.7.28)...
20:56 < SquOnk> preaction: ...but users would point to the volatile repository, where each week we have the next stable release, so production users can be kept up to date, barring heavy changes in dependencies.
20:57 < SquOnk> Well, got to go. BBL
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22:39 < SDuensin> Anyone else have an issue where a newly uploaded file (into a folder via filepile) doesn't have the permissions (or something) correct? ...
22:40 < SDuensin> I uploaded a new file into a folder and no user could see it. The permissions were correct. After I re-committed it (without making any changes to it), it showed up...
22:41 < SDuensin> Today, I uploaded a new version of the same file by editing the existing one. For me, as an admin, I get the new date. If I log out, I get the old one. Recommitting this file didn't seem to do anything.
22:41 <@Haarg> nobody could see the asset or the actual file?
22:41 < SDuensin> The asset.
22:41 < SDuensin> It wasn't in the list of files the folder asset displayed.
22:41 <@Haarg> check the logs?
22:42 < SDuensin> Didn't see anything odd.
22:42 < SDuensin> The file in question is at the very bottom of this page. http://www.jaegertech.net/software/singe What date do you see? 12/4 or 12/8?
22:42 < SDuensin> Gonna dump cache and see what that does.
22:44 < SDuensin> Ah! Now I have 12/8. Dumping the WebGUI cache fixed it. Weird. Never had that before.
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23:41 <+perlDreamer> snippet caching. Nasty problem
23:41 <+patspam> woot, chrome for linux, and an ad-blocking plugin!
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23:47 <+patspam> preaction: is 8-cache-bench missing WebGUI::Cache::Database?
23:47 <+perlDreamer> why doesn't mysql know what I mean when I type select count(*) form MatrixListing_rating;
23:49 <+perlDreamer> I mean really, would it cost that much C code to make form an alias for from when used before a known table name?
23:53 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, found an issue with getIsa
23:53 <+perlDreamer> just 1? cool
23:53 <+perlDreamer> what is it?
23:54 <@Haarg> it calls newByDynamic class but doesn't
23:54 <@Haarg> deal with pending assets
23:54 <+perlDreamer> you think it should use newPending instead?
23:54 <+perlDreamer> wait
23:55 <@Haarg> might need an additional parameter
23:55 <+perlDreamer> revisionDate, or className?
23:55 <@Haarg> a parameter specifying if it should include pending assets
23:55 <@preaction> patspam: it shouldn't be, but i'll check
23:56 <+patspam> ack WebGUI::Cache::Database /data/WebGUI/lib says no
23:57 <+perlDreamer> Haarg: where is the bug occurring?
23:57 <@Haarg> the last upgrade on dusk failed
23:58 <@Haarg> on the second CS workflow fix step
23:58 <@preaction> patspam: it's showing as committed on my box, but i can give you the file one sec
23:59 <+patspam> weird, it's there on github too
23:59 <@preaction> yeah, that's what i was just bout to show ;)
23:59 <+patspam> ok, must be user error
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00:01 <+patspam> ha, "wgd reset --build" deleted them
00:01 <@preaction> the upgrade script probably
00:06 <+patspam> so should i not run the 8.0.0 upgrade script? it also drops the cache table
00:07 <@preaction> probably, or just remove the deleting of the old stuffs
00:07 <@preaction> i don't know, i think my DB is still 7.x
00:24 < CIA-54> webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r6d381a5 / (sbin/preload.perl lib/WebGUI/PerformanceProfiler.pm): remove WebGUI::PerformanceProfiler - http://bit.ly/7WRW5z
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00:39 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5153d82 / lib/WebGUI/LDAPLink.pm : Remove abbreviated timeout for testing. - http://bit.ly/8OmOuF
00:39 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd1e6f30 / (5 files in 5 dirs):
00:39 < CIA-54> webgui: Fix a bug where ratings were allowed to be set with less than 10 votes. Fixes bug #11294
00:39 < CIA-54> webgui: This helps fix people trying to game the system. - http://bit.ly/8Hroeh
00:40 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rd2e9b94 / (5 files in 5 dirs):
00:40 < CIA-54> webgui: Fix a bug where ratings were allowed to be set with less than 10 votes. Fixes bug #11294
00:40 < CIA-54> webgui: This helps fix people trying to game the system. - http://bit.ly/7FHe78
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01:45 <+perlDreamer> note to the wiser, plugging your speakers into the headphone jack will not record, nor produce sound.
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02:21 <+perlDreamer> patspam++
02:24 <+perlDreamer> patspam, you might want to edit that post, since it was munged in the email
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02:30 <+patspam> euch, i see what you mean
02:31 * perlDreamer switches into Daddy mode.
02:31 <+perlDreamer> Be back around 6:00pm PST for further discussions
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03:24 < CIA-54> webgui: fix: getIsa returns undef for pending assets.
03:24 < CIA-54> webgui: Add a new option flag to getIsa, called returnAll. If returnAll = 1, then
03:24 < CIA-54> webgui: assets are returned regardless of status. Otherwise, getIsa will only
03:24 < CIA-54> webgui: return committed assets. - http://bit.ly/6kneMC
03:26 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb479ddc / (4 files): Change upgrade subs to use returnAll with getIsa. - http://bit.ly/79j9et
03:27 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r27a7c09 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/Asset.t):
03:27 < CIA-54> webgui: fix: getIsa returns undef for pending assets.
03:27 < CIA-54> webgui: Add a new option flag to getIsa, called returnAll. If returnAll = 1, then
03:27 < CIA-54> webgui: assets are returned regardless of status. Otherwise, getIsa will only
03:27 < CIA-54> webgui: return committed assets. - http://bit.ly/8Jsnov
03:28 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3cb7970 / (4 files): Change all upgrade subs to use returnAll with getIsa - http://bit.ly/61BHf6
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04:24 <+perlDreamer> tavisto, need some help
04:24 <+perlDreamer> where can I find that text that you mentioned might be truncated?
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04:27 <@tavisto> i posted that to a bug report brotha!
04:28 <+perlDreamer> eeencorrrect, sir!
04:28 <@tavisto> huh?
04:28 <+perlDreamer> Matrix has many, many screens
04:29 <+perlDreamer> It took about 10 minutes to find te wonky one
04:29 <@tavisto> oh i c
04:30 <@tavisto> darn i was hoping it would take u longer
04:50 <+perlDreamer> tavisto: there's no bug posted about checkboxes clicked or not
04:51 <@tavisto> yeah we didn't decide what we wanted to do with that
04:51 <@tavisto> previously I thought it was a good idea to have any search result checked. However, you brought up some points and I'm not sure now
04:52 <@tavisto> the max compare is 10 products so is it better to force people to uncheck more than 10 items (sometimes) or have to manually check up to 10 products each time
04:53 <@tavisto> the other thing I don't like is that if products set all of their requirements to blank, they come up in the initial search. However, I think I'm just going to go in and change them so they aren't blank across the board
04:57 <+perlDreamer> man people are gaming CMS Matrix hard!
04:57 * perlDreamer suggests asking Kristi about check boxes and usability
04:57 <+perlDreamer> she always has a good opinion on stuff like that
05:00 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r0516b7c / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix looping construct in NotifyAboutLowStock activity. Fix tests. - http://bit.ly/5Tp7cq
05:01 <@tavisto> absolutely
05:01 <@tavisto> which shows the level of interest there is in vendors getting visibility.. and why I'm taking that and monetizing it
05:09 <@tavisto> I'll ask Kristi about it. I still think I lean towards search results being clicked for easy compare
05:16 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * raf98aef / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.7.28 release. - http://bit.ly/4VOtt6
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16:01 < SDuensin> Morning.
16:02 <+MrHairgrease> morning
16:02 <+MrHairgrease> sortof
16:03 < SDuensin> Kinda
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16:03 <+MrHairgrease> =)
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17:27 <+MrHairgrease> 26784 martin 25 0 130m 39m 9m R 100 7.6 195:03.92 perl
17:28 <+MrHairgrease> The cache bench sure is taking long
17:28 <+MrHairgrease> but this is using 2000 repeats
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18:00 <+patspam> MrHairgrease: I dropped it back down to 100 repeats for my production site
18:00 <+MrHairgrease> to late
18:00 <+MrHairgrease> it already finished
18:01 <+MrHairgrease> typing the post as we speak
18:01 <+patspam> awesome!
18:02 <+MrHairgrease> I think the process time was about 3h
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18:02 <+MrHairgrease> but the total running time was I think 5h or so
18:02 <+MrHairgrease> lot's of (prolly) I/O waiting
18:03 <+MrHairgrease> http://www.webgui.org/uploads/68/c0/68c0afffbe50641eb0d4c3969ed95017/bench_results.txt
18:05 <+patspam> MrHairgrease++
18:07 <+MrHairgrease> there's a very distinct outcome for repeats=200 and repeats=100
18:07 <+MrHairgrease> Also I'm not convinced this benchmark is entirely honest
18:08 <+MrHairgrease> since memcached is a daemon and thus more webgui (modperl) instances can connect to the same cache.
18:08 <+MrHairgrease> Here it's the same script all the time
18:09 <+MrHairgrease> and I'm not sure if you can, for instance, share a FastMmap cache between modperl instances
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18:16 <+MrHairgrease> ah
18:17 <+MrHairgrease> did what I wrote about the fairness of the benchmark just before the netsplit come through?
18:20 <@Haarg> i saw it
18:20 <+MrHairgrease> ok
18:20 <@Haarg> it's not entirely fair, but still worth having numbers for
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18:20 <@Haarg> with chi for example, you can have multi-level caching
18:21 <+MrHairgrease> I didn't say is was meaningless
18:21 <@Haarg> we still want to go with memcached
18:22 <@Haarg> but given the results we've seen so far, it looks like going with CHI would be a good idea as well
18:23 <+MrHairgrease> yup
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20:05 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rbab31b0 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.7.29 development cycle. - http://bit.ly/5rkq2e
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20:18 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc0a9358 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm : Prevent statistics with a count of less than 10 from being listed in the worst list. - http://bit.ly/7BJsEO
20:40 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf2b7762 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.8.7-7.8.8.pl : Do not remove ratings, just prevent them from being displayed in the best/worst list. - http://bit.ly/5ZYzo6
20:45 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfc4dca6 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/MatrixListing.pm : Calculate ratings, even is the count is less than 10. - http://bit.ly/5vVfDw
20:45 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rdda44a4 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm : Prevent statistics with a count of less than 10 from being listed in the worst list. - http://bit.ly/6XvAb2
20:45 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r343325f / lib/WebGUI/Asset/MatrixListing.pm : Calculate ratings, even is the count is less than 10. - http://bit.ly/6zIVrj
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23:20 < dionak> quick question. does the results of a sql report get added to a site's index? thinking no...
23:21 <@Haarg> the results do not get indexed
23:23 < dionak> thanks, Haarg
23:28 < dionak> i need to add some custom data to the site's index from a Thing. Would the easiest way be to write a custom search.pl and run it periodically? The data won't change often.
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23:51 <+perlDreamer> sure, or some kind of Workflow that gets triggered when the Thing's in the Thingy get updated
23:57 < dionak> good idea.
23:58 < dionak> but i don't think Thingy can trigger a workflow
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00:06 < dionak> oh, i see the NotifyAboutThing workflow that answers my questions
00:06 <+perlDreamer> Thing has add, edit and delete workflows which trigger on Thingy actions
00:06 <+perlDreamer> Yup! That's the one :)
00:06 < dionak> thanks, pd
00:24 <+perlDreamer> 100K SQL writes takes a long time
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01:21 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rd9b37a2 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Recalculate Matrix Listing ratings erased in the 7.7.28 upgrade. Fixes bug #13000. - http://bit.ly/6VXOpg
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03:52 <+perlDreamer> dinner time, later guys!
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09:07 < _lsr> does anyone have any ideas on why https wouldn't be working on my dev machine after adding a new site?
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16:09 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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19:51 <+perlDreamer> In bash, how do I use sudo to do more than 1 command at a time?
19:52 <+perlDreamer> like sudo echo '' > /var/log/webgui.log; sudo echo '' > /var/log/apache2/error.log
19:52 <+perlDreamer> do I use parens, quotes?
20:02 < SDuensin> I think it's parens
20:02 < SDuensin> sudo (someCrap; otherCrap)
20:02 < hudsong123> Hello. Would somebody have a few minutes to help me figure out how to tie in the Login/Account Status pages with the rest of my sites theme?
20:03 < SDuensin> Hi hudsong123
20:03 < hudsong123> hello
20:03 < SDuensin> Did you set them to use your theme in the settings?
20:03 < hudsong123> Under setting, Authentication.
20:04 < hudsong123> I can't find how to set the template
20:04 < SDuensin> Let me find what it's called.
20:04 < hudsong123> I've created my own template for Login Template but all that gives me access to is the content area, not the topbar/footer/layout I have on the rest of the site
20:05 < SDuensin> Right. That's your site's style...
20:05 < SDuensin> Go to: Admin Console->Settings->UI Tab.
20:05 < SDuensin> Is "User Function Style" set to your site style?
20:06 < hudsong123> Awesome!
20:06 < SDuensin> :-)
20:06 < hudsong123> Thanks for the help and saving me some hours this afternoon.
20:06 < SDuensin> My pleasure.
20:06 * SDuensin is WebGUI's #1 fan. :-)
20:11 * perlDreamer goes to the gym
20:11 < SDuensin> Go for me, too, perlDreamer. Thanks.
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22:58 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4b65b44 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm): Matrix search should be AND based, not OR. Fixes bug #11301 - http://bit.ly/91REOe
22:58 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r3c3d089 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm): Matrix search should be AND based, not OR. Fixes bug #11301 - http://bit.ly/4O3j1V
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23:59 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf0b0179 / (4 files in 3 dirs): Make the warnings messages from the Matrix about having too many products to compare better. Fixes bug #11301 - http://bit.ly/7mxmFT
23:59 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * red79c7f / (4 files in 3 dirs): Make the warnings messages from the Matrix about having too many products to compare better. Fixes bug #11301 - http://bit.ly/6ZOx8G
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01:33 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, in WebGUI::Definition::Role::Object->get, should it check ->has instead of ->can, for attributes versus methods?
01:35 <+perlDreamer> maybe I have them all confused again
01:42 <@Haarg> you are probably correct
01:42 <@Haarg> but it wouldn't be ->has
01:44 <@Haarg> it would be ->meta->find_attribute_by_name
01:44 <+perlDreamer> ugh. I can see why you might have chosen ->can over that
01:44 <@Haarg> same with set
01:45 <+perlDreamer> also, is it ->meta->get_all_properties, or ->meta->get_all_attributes?
01:46 <@Haarg> get_all_properties
01:46 <+perlDreamer> I can't find that on google, or with ack
01:46 <+perlDreamer> in the moose_definition branch
01:47 <@Haarg> oop
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01:47 <@Haarg> get_property_list i guess
01:47 <+perlDreamer> I'll write some tests after I make these changes, just to double check that I'm not breaking things badly
01:49 <@Haarg> in WebGUI::Definition::Meta::Class, get_property_list should be changed to just be a method instead of an attribute
01:49 <@Haarg> but that shouldn't impact the use of it
01:50 <+perlDreamer> http://gist.github.com/253832 ?
01:52 <+perlDreamer> in ->set, if a key does not exist, it returns out of the sub. Asset->update will skip keys that are not defined in the definition.
01:54 <@Haarg> gist looks fine
01:55 <@Haarg> should be next unless ...
01:55 <@Haarg> in ->set
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02:29 < fokat> Hi guys. Quick question...
02:29 < fokat> dpkg -l | egrep webgui
02:29 < fokat> ii webgui 7.6.35.2-2
02:29 < fokat> I'm trying to do a pass thru to a cgi-bin directory. WebGUI is at /
02:30 < fokat> My cgi bin is at /cgi-bin/
02:30 < fokat> I can GET /cgi-bin/foo, but the scripts are not getting executed. I am getting the script's source, which tells me that the cgi handler is not being invoked.
02:31 <@preaction> did you AddHandler cgi-script .cgi .pl?
02:31 < fokat> at some point. makes no difference.
02:31 <@preaction> you're on debian, did you a2enmod cgi?
02:31 < fokat> yes. It is enabled.
02:32 <@preaction> is there a passthru configured in WebGUI config file?
02:32 < fokat> yes.
02:32 < fokat> {
02:32 < fokat> "^/cgi-bin/" : "WebGUI::URL::PassThru"
02:32 < fokat> },
02:32 <@preaction> don't paste
02:32 < fokat> Also tested without the final /
02:32 < fokat> no difference.
02:32 <@preaction> did you RemoveHandler WebGUI in the (or Nope. Will try that.
02:33 <@preaction> are you using ScriptAlias?
02:33 < fokat> Yes.
02:33 < fokat> ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/
02:33 <@preaction> ew
02:34 <@preaction> use a plain Alias and a SetHandler cgi-script
02:34 <@preaction> don't forget "Order allow,deny" and "Allow from all"
02:34 <@preaction> but since you're seeing the CGI source, you've configured WebGUI correctly
02:35 < fokat> thats what I thought, yes.
02:36 < fokat> WIll try that and report back
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02:39 < fokat> I have this code in the virtualhost
02:39 < fokat> Alias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/
02:39 < fokat>
02:39 < fokat> SetHandler cgi-script
02:39 < fokat> Order allow,deny
02:39 < fokat> Allow from all
02:39 < fokat>
02:39 < fokat> And I still see the script's source...
02:40 <@preaction> you pasted again
02:40 <@preaction> did you do Options +ExecCGI?
02:40 * perlDreamer has to run to Batteries Plus to get a replacement battery for the phone backup
02:40 <+perlDreamer> bbialw
02:41 < fokat> http://webgui.pastebin.com/d2d5637da has my config.
02:41 < fokat> preaction: Will add +ExecCGI now and see. But tried with and w/o the plus
02:43 < fokat> tested with Options ExecCGI, same behavior
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02:44 <@preaction> fokat: why do you have two of the same blocks?
02:45 <@preaction> anything in the error log? you are restarting apache after each change, correct?
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02:46 < fokat> preaction: SquOnk found out that if the script is not called .pl, it works.
02:47 < fokat> I will simply rename my scripts, but this is quite weird...
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03:08 < SquOnk> preaction: It's working
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03:50 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, I just pushed those changes.
03:50 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie moose-definition * r849e8d4 / lib/WebGUI/Definition/Meta/Class.pm : Change get_property_list from an attribute to a method in Definition::Meta::Class. - http://bit.ly/8WElZ7
03:50 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie moose-definition * r0f32601 / lib/WebGUI/Definition/Role/Object.pm : Add POD. Use meta->find_attribute_by_name instead of can. Use get_property_list instead of get_all_properties. Change set to ignore bad properties instead of ending the set. - http://bit.ly/5CHpDv
03:50 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie moose-definition * rb878104 / t/Definition.t : Update tests. table -> tableName. Add comments to tests. - http://bit.ly/8NzwSj
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04:54 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie moose-definition * r19b784c / (lib/WebGUI/Definition/Meta/Class.pm t/Definition.t): Fix get_property_list. Add tests. - http://bit.ly/7riYbi
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05:49 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie moose-definition * r812c2e4 / lib/WebGUI/Definition/Role/Object.pm : Finish up POD for Definition::Role::Object - http://bit.ly/4TY9Gg
05:49 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie moose-definition * r83e8d7c / t/Definition.t : More tests. - http://bit.ly/8m9trx
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12:22 < xdanger> is there some reason why most of the content in import node is view: everyone, edit: turn admin on?
12:22 < xdanger> shouldn't it be editable by template manager group?
12:25 < xdanger> I want to give my users the ability to turn admin mode on, but not to edit most of my templates
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16:01 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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18:50 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, how important is it that the attributes are returned in insertion order? Does that extend to the "inherited" classes as well?
18:51 <@Haarg> insertion order determines form layout
18:51 <+perlDreamer> then I'll look for a solution for that, too
18:52 <+perlDreamer> it appears that insertion order is particular to a class
18:52 <+perlDreamer> so if you make a "level 2" asset, like snippet, they interleave
18:53 <@Haarg> well, we can probably change the sort, or manually walk isa
18:54 <+perlDreamer> http://gist.github.com/254339
18:56 <+perlDreamer> would walking isa work in a Class::C3 hiearchy?
18:57 <@Haarg> yes
19:07 <+perlDreamer> Class::MOP::Class provides an array of parents with duplicates removed
19:07 <+perlDreamer> I'm just finding it hard to believe that we can't tie into the MRO and have it do the hard work for us
19:08 <@Haarg> what part of the hard work?
19:09 <+perlDreamer> sometime like sort { mro ($a, $b) }
19:09 <@Haarg> it shouldn't be too hard to get what we want though
19:10 <+perlDreamer> the tab on which a property lives would also be important
19:10 <+perlDreamer> since, if they're in different tabs you don't care about their relative order
19:10 <@Haarg> he tab is handled explicitly by the form though
19:10 <@Haarg> look at the implementation of get_all_attributes in Class::MOP::Class
19:10 <@Haarg> it shouldn't be too hard to adapt that to our needs
19:14 <+perlDreamer> any thoughts on what to do next, after I resolve this?
19:16 <+perlDreamer> yeah, we can adapt that pretty easily
19:18 <+perlDreamer> is there any way we can override that method, so that any Definition based object works correctly?
19:19 <@Haarg> we could, but i don't think we would want to
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19:52 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, we should avoid the private methods, yes?
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20:55 < CIA-54> webgui: Colin Kuskie moose-definition * r334f341 / (lib/WebGUI/Definition/Meta/Class.pm t/Definition.t): Handle insertion order in multiple classes. This breaks overriding properties in the Definition. - http://bit.ly/8QRQ1c
20:55 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, I'd like you to check out the last commit very carefully
20:55 <+perlDreamer> I don't see any way around what I did, aside from using an ordered hash
20:56 <+perlDreamer> we need name resolution for overriding, but insertion order for proper sequencing
21:17 <@Haarg> can't we remove duplicates at the end?
21:26 <+perlDreamer> yeah, they need to be removed some way or another
21:26 <+perlDreamer> I should write a test to show the problem, and then make sure it's fixed right
21:27 <+perlDreamer> regardless of how we resolve it, we're going to be left with the issue of the change in insertion order when overriding
21:29 <@Haarg> maybe
21:29 <@Haarg> if you removed the later duplicates it wouldn't cause that
21:31 <+perlDreamer> so, if Asset.pm defines keywords with insertion_order = 15, and later on I override keywords in a subclass where keywords has insertion_order = 4
21:34 <+perlDreamer> I'll just try it. Maybe Moose will DTRT
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21:37 <@Haarg> well, in your current sub it gets both of them. so you could just eliminate the one from the subclass.
21:37 <+perlDreamer> that would mean that we can't override properties
21:38 <+perlDreamer> which is fine, since we can't do that now
21:38 <@Haarg> why wouldn't you be able to override them?
21:39 <@Haarg> the method is only returning a list of names
21:39 <+perlDreamer> that's true
21:40 <+perlDreamer> and if we do a find_attribute_by_name, it should return mine
21:40 <@Haarg> yes
21:40 <@Haarg> instead of checking for duplicates at the end, we can probably just use a hash to check for existing ones
21:41 <+perlDreamer> maybe I don't want that get_attributes method then, since it will return both attributes
21:41 <@Haarg> ?
21:42 <@Haarg> which attributes do you mean?
21:42 <+perlDreamer> Moose and Class::MOP have an internal hash of attributes for each metaclass, which you can access via a private method
21:42 <+perlDreamer> I really wanted to get to that, but it's private and I don't want it that badly
21:42 <+perlDreamer> so I built a method to get all the attributes for a meta class
21:42 <+perlDreamer> using the API
21:43 <@Haarg> yes
21:44 <+perlDreamer> if a property is declared in more than one class, then you'll get the property twice
21:44 <@Haarg> yes
21:44 <@Haarg> so we have to eliminate the duplicates
21:45 <+perlDreamer> yes
21:46 <@Haarg> http://gist.github.com/254457
21:49 <@Haarg> might be good to cache the results of the method at some point but there are some tricky bits to that
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22:06 <+perlDreamer> perhaps s/(with.+?)::Role::Asset/$1::Role::Object/;
22:07 <+perlDreamer> since right now it's just calling itself?
22:09 < xdanger> 12:22 < xdanger> is there some reason why most of the content in import node is view: everyone, edit: turn admin on?
22:09 < xdanger> 12:22 < xdanger> shouldn't it be editable by template manager group?
22:09 < xdanger> 12:25 < xdanger> I want to give my users the ability to turn admin mode on, but not to edit most of my templates
22:10 <+perlDreamer> xdanger, feel free to change the permissions on those assets as you need
22:10 <+perlDreamer> but be warned
22:10 <+perlDreamer> if you change the viewing permissions of some Assets, bad things will happen
22:11 <+perlDreamer> and, when updates happen, they'll be changed back to defaults
22:11 < xdanger> but why are their edit privs for turn admin on group?
22:12 < xdanger> lot's of it
22:12 <+perlDreamer> that's a generic setup that WebGUI ships with
22:12 <+perlDreamer> most users will never need Turn Admin On rights to do things on a site
22:12 < xdanger> btw. does template need to have view by everyone for it to work with an asset that is viewable for everyone?
22:12 <+perlDreamer> Make forum postings, add wiki articles, use the Thingy
22:13 < xdanger> yes, but I just was wondering why they aren't set for template admin or secondary admin
22:14 < xdanger> There is one site that I administer and I had to allow someone access to the templates to a "subsite"
22:14 < xdanger> and for the admin interface to work, I had to include them in "turn admin on"
22:14 <+perlDreamer> what admin things do your users need to do?
22:16 < xdanger> mainly to add assets to a folder and edit templates
22:17 < xdanger> everything related to the layout of that subsite
22:18 < xdanger> Turn Admin On: "These users can enable admin mode.", Template Managers: "Users that have privileges to edit templates for this site."
22:18 <+perlDreamer> if that's from the wiki, it's out of date
22:18 < xdanger> I just think this is inconsistent
22:18 <+perlDreamer> you're always welcome to file an RFE to change it
22:18 < xdanger> it't from ?op=listGroups
22:18 <+perlDreamer> that's a bug then
22:19 <+perlDreamer> since the Group description is misleading
22:19 < xdanger> But why there isn't a single admin group then? what is the function of the other groups if theis described function is in turn admin on group
22:20 <+perlDreamer> The Folder has an addFile URL that allows users to add content without being in Turn On Admin
22:21 < xdanger> shouldn't the "Turn Admin on" group be something like "Administrative users" since it has other functions than simply to turn the admin mode on?
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22:25 < xdanger> I have no problem with this on my site, I can just run a simple sql to change the privileges. I just think it's not very clear for novice users.
22:25 < xdanger> hehe, his connection couldn't handle the conversation =)
22:26 < xdanger> ok, it's almost night here, so some more dexter now. Someone paste my last comment to colink if I'm not back soon =)
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01:04 <+perlDreamer> that was a long netsplit
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04:20 < elnino> hi all. anyone know if pb provides a discount for non-profit hosting?
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13:17 < JDanPl> Hi BartJol
13:18 < JDanPl> Do you know any plans about code editor?
13:19 <+BartJol> no
13:22 <+BartJol> but it's lunchtime
13:26 < JDanPl> Code editor destroys edited templates. Any time I made upgrade I have to change WebGUI/Template.pm in order not to use codearea but Textare
13:26 < JDanPl> oh, sorry
14:01 <+BartJol> ah
14:02 <+BartJol> strange, I haven't seen that
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14:49 <@preaction> JDanPl: post a bug and provide detailed steps to reproduce (or a copy of your template). be sure to include the browser and OS you're using
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15:05 < JDanPl> preaction: I'll prepare description and post a bug. Independently, it'll be wonderfull and usefull if you add switch to the code editor. Many webmasters prefer plain editor.
15:06 <+BartJol> well that'll be an rfe
15:07 <@preaction> and someone's already posted it, iirc, so add karma to it
15:07 < JDanPl> ok
15:07 <@preaction> anyway, bedtime maybe
15:08 < JDanPl> No problem. We change source each time ;-)
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15:58 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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18:25 <+perlDreamer> BartJol: Have you checked out the new multiple language content macro in the Bazaar?
18:25 <+perlDreamer> I'm not sure what to make of it
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18:26 <+BartJol> well, I looked at the code for 2 minutes
18:27 <+BartJol> but haven't had time to install it
18:27 <+BartJol> if it works it should be sweet
18:27 <+BartJol> and those 2 minutes weren't enough for me to get the workings
18:27 <+perlDreamer> I wish it was scaled back a bit, and excluded the custom Thingy plug-in
18:28 <+perlDreamer> since to make it work, you _also_ have to have a Thingy with some of his custom patches in it
18:28 <+BartJol> ah
18:28 <+BartJol> evil patches?
18:28 <+perlDreamer> not sure, haven't reviewed them either
18:28 <+BartJol> ah
18:29 <+BartJol> well, I have to test it for myself before I support the rfe
18:31 <+BartJol> if it get's implemented, the plugin isn't custom anymore :)
18:33 <+perlDreamer> this is true, but last I checked, the patch wasn't available. Also, without tests, it wouldn't be accepted.
18:33 <+BartJol> true enough
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19:39 <+perlDreamer> preaction: can you double check a fix for the Survey for me in Safari?
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20:09 < CIA-29> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1026169 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Initialize the editor before rendering the intial dialog box for the Section Editor. Fixes bug #11297. - http://bit.ly/8Vo0WE
20:09 < CIA-29> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3b08b51 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Initialize the editor before rendering the intial dialog box for the Section Editor. Fixes bug #11297. - http://bit.ly/6VbRr1
20:16 < CIA-29> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb9a9c58 / (3 files in 3 dirs): i18n another Survey label. Fixes bug #11306 - http://bit.ly/8eQPGm
20:18 < CIA-29> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5d3db1a / (3 files in 3 dirs): i18n another Survey label. Fixes bug #11306 - http://bit.ly/7IjN9E
20:20 < CIA-29> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rac8afc4 / (2 files in 2 dirs): move upgrade package to the correct location. - http://bit.ly/8irTLp
21:02 <+perlDreamer> preaction, nm, I installed Safari on Vista, and the Survey works fine
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21:26 < CIA-29> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r7dc1725 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Fix some broken Survey i18n (Add Section). Add i18n for object edit dialog buttons. - http://bit.ly/5Y83yy
21:26 < CIA-29> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf582bfd / (4 files in 4 dirs): Fix some broken Survey i18n (Add Section). Add i18n for object edit dialog buttons. - http://bit.ly/5WYJgR
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23:19 <+MrHairgrease> error: Entry 'lib/WebGUI/Shop/TaxDriver/EU.pm' not uptodate. Cannot merge.
23:19 <+MrHairgrease> anybody an idea how to fix that
23:19 <+MrHairgrease> think git pull
23:21 <@preaction> MrHairgrease: it means there are local changes or staged changed to that file
23:22 <+MrHairgrease> i know that
23:22 <@preaction> check it with git diff, then if you want to keep them, use git stash
23:22 <@preaction> if you want to remove them, git checkout
23:22 <+MrHairgrease> no no i want to keep it
23:23 <@preaction> git stash will keep them long enough to git pull and then "git stash pop" to put the changes back
23:23 <@preaction> or you could just commit the changes
23:25 <+MrHairgrease> oh
23:25 <+MrHairgrease> hehe
23:25 <+MrHairgrease> that seems easier
23:25 <+MrHairgrease> I thought I would've done that
23:25 <+MrHairgrease> but
23:25 <+MrHairgrease> anyway I already ran git stash
23:26 <+MrHairgrease> alright
23:26 <+MrHairgrease> that looks good
23:26 <+MrHairgrease> thanks
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23:44 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, preaction, can you think of any strong reasons Asset->getParent should not use newPending, instead of newByDynamicClass?
23:44 <@preaction> i had wanted to make that change a while back
23:45 <+perlDreamer> were you argued out of it, or --tuits ?
23:54 <@preaction> i don't remember
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00:19 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, i don't think it can use newPending. it may be able to fall back on newPending if it can't get the parent using newByDynamicClass.
00:19 * perlDreamer doesn't see the difference
00:19 <@Haarg> it should follow newByDynamicClass's behavior re version tags if possible
00:20 <+perlDreamer> but if it's going to fall back to use newPending anyway, what's the difference?
00:20 <+perlDreamer> from the user's perspective there won't be any difference
00:21 <+perlDreamer> since they can't see the uncommitted parent in order to add a child to it
00:21 <+perlDreamer> it seems like it would help with custom coding, and with upgrade scripts
00:22 <@Haarg> if there is an asset with a committed revision and an uncommitted revision, it should retrieve the committed revision unless the uncommitted revision is in the active version tag
00:24 <+perlDreamer> so the real issue is when there is a newly added asset, with no previous revisions
00:25 <+perlDreamer> and that assets are chaining getParent calls without checking that they parent is defined.
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00:28 <@Haarg> the only time i see the current behavior being a problem is if you had an asset in an uncommitted version tag with a parent asset in another uncommitted version tag
00:28 <@Haarg> and it seems like we shouldn't allow that to happen anyway
00:29 <+perlDreamer> so this bug, is not a bug: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11295
00:30 <@Haarg> hmm
00:31 <@Haarg> actually, maybe getParent needs a different behavior
00:32 <@Haarg> instead of using the current version tag, it should use the uncommitted revision's version tag
00:34 <@Haarg> the simplest way to do that would probably be by changing the active version tag then calling newByDynamicClass
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00:39 <+perlDreamer> if getParent uses newPending, the same end result would be achieved, with the child going into the parent's uncommitted tag
00:40 <@Haarg> except it would get the wrong revision sometimes
00:43 * perlDreamer didn't know that newPending would return the wrong revision of an asset
00:43 <@Haarg> it returns the most recent
00:43 <@Haarg> that isn't always what you want to retrieve
00:44 <+perlDreamer> (02:32:24 PM) Haarg: instead of using the current version tag, it should use the uncommitted revision's version tag
00:45 <+perlDreamer> if it's using the uncommitted revision's version tag, then it's doing the same thing as newPending
00:45 <+perlDreamer> if there's an uncommitted version tag, there are no newer versions
00:45 <+perlDreamer> if the version tag is committed, we want to use that revision
00:45 <@Haarg> not quite
00:46 <@Haarg> if the parent has one committed revision and another uncommitted revision in a version tag
00:46 <@Haarg> and the child has an uncommitted revision in a different version tag
00:46 <@Haarg> getParent should get the parent's committed version tag
00:47 <@Haarg> which is not what newPending would do
00:47 <@Haarg> if the two uncommitted revisions were in the same version tag, getParent should get the parent's uncommitted version tag
00:47 <@Haarg> err
00:48 <@Haarg> uncommitted revision
00:48 <+perlDreamer> right
00:48 <@Haarg> which isn't what newByDynamicClass would do if it wasn't the active version tag
00:49 * perlDreamer is starting to agree about your earlier assertion about choice of asset instanciation
00:49 <+perlDreamer> newPending should not have been used to grab an uncommitted parent without considering the consequences of adding children, and lineage
00:51 <+perlDreamer> the sequence in question is $me=Asset->newPending(); $me->addChild({props});
00:51 <+perlDreamer> addChild goes boom because it can't get the parent
00:51 <@Haarg> yeah
00:52 <+perlDreamer> the code should $me=Asset->newPending; code to fix tag; $me->addChild({});
00:52 <+perlDreamer> followed by code to restore tag
00:52 <@Haarg> maybe
00:52 <@Haarg> it seems like getParent should do that for you
00:53 <+perlDreamer> if getParent does that, then the downstream code which puts children into the version tag of the uncommitted parent will not be needed.
00:53 <+perlDreamer> well
00:53 <@Haarg> why not?
00:53 <@Haarg> there is still the case of adding children of an uncommitted asset
00:53 <+perlDreamer> that's the same case we're talking about
00:54 <@Haarg> well, in that case it needs to add the children to the uncommitted asset's version tag
00:55 <@Haarg> more and more i wish assets and revisions were separate objects
00:56 <+perlDreamer> so... $me = Asset->newPending(); if $me->getTag() is not committed, change tag to that tag, $me->addChild(), restore original tag
00:57 <@Haarg> kind of, but i don't see why we want to force that on people when asset should be able to handle it itself
00:58 <+perlDreamer> I don't think that counting on getParent to do that is reliable
00:58 <+perlDreamer> I haven't checked, but I would guess there's a case where getParent is not called while making a child.
00:58 <+perlDreamer> plus, what we're talking about is not common programming, it seems quite rare
00:59 <+perlDreamer> at least not since the adding of newPending to the core
01:01 <+perlDreamer> before newPending, if you wanted the uncommitted asset, you had to go looking for it, or adjust your tag accordingly
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01:16 <+perlDreamer> no, if you add a child, it calls fixUrl everytime
01:16 <+perlDreamer> so getParent will be called
01:16 <+perlDreamer> but it's not in the most robust of ways
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03:18 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, how about if we make the changes you suggest in getParent, AND make a deliberate call in addChild to getParent? That way, if fixUrl or anything else downstream should change, it won't break, and the asset is always guaranteed to have the correct parent object.
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04:27 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, there's an easier way to do it: http://gist.github.com/256652
04:27 <+perlDreamer> addRev had all the right data
04:27 <+perlDreamer> but wasn't using it
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--- Log opened Wed Dec 16 00:00:58 2009
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00:25 < CIA-51> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r310c0ad / (3 files in 3 dirs): When addin a child under a parent that is not committed, adopt the parent's version tag. Fixes bug #11295 - http://bit.ly/5h3mZB
00:27 < CIA-51> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r99e5aab / (3 files in 3 dirs): When addin a child under a parent that is not committed, adopt the parent's version tag. Fixes bug #11295 - http://bit.ly/6gGBmC
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00:29 <+perlDreamer> steveo_aa, you might want to cherry-pick that commit from the 7.7 branch to fix your custom code bug.
00:42 * perlDreamer goes to the gym, but will remain online so that Haarg can deliver an excoriating review of the addChild/addRev patch.
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01:48 < SquOnk> Greetings
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01:49 < SquOnk> Anyone can make sense of http://paste.debian.net/54130/?
01:49 < SquOnk> This is in webgui 7.7.something (sorry for not being precise, not my install, acting as a proxy)
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02:01 < SquOnk> Haarg: HI there
02:01 <@Haarg> hi
02:02 < SquOnk> Haarg: Can you make sense of http://paste.debian.net/54130/?
02:02 < SquOnk> This is in webgui 7.7.something (sorry for not being precise, not my install, acting as a proxy)
02:04 <@Haarg> well, i understand enough to see it is unable to load WebGUI::FilePump::Admin, but it doesn't say why
02:05 <@Haarg> can you try running perl -I/usr/share/webgui/lib/ -cw -e'use WebGUI::Content::FilePump'
02:06 < SquOnk> Haarg: That's as far as I got. Sadly, can't run that, not my install :-(
02:06 < SquOnk> Haarg: Thanks anyway
02:10 <@Haarg> could be related to Apache2::Reload
02:14 < SquOnk> Haarg: Care to elaborate?
02:15 < SquOnk> Not enabled? Badly configured?
02:15 <@Haarg> the message 'Attempt to reload ... aborted' most likely is coming from Apache2::Reload
02:15 < SquOnk> Haarg: No, that message is in WebGUI/Pluggable.pm
02:16 < SquOnk> Oh, you are right.
02:16 <@Haarg> it is being redispatched from WebGUI::Pluggable but the origin is in Apache2::Reload
02:16 < SquOnk> That message is the "error" message being shown by WebGUI::Pluggable
02:16 <@Haarg> i don't use it and wouldn't recommend it so i don't know how it interacts with WebGUI but i'm pretty sure there are some problems
02:16 < SquOnk> Well, I'll try and figure it out tomorrow. Got to go.
02:17 < SquOnk> Haarg: Thanks for the hint.
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05:41 < CIA-51> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r47afff6 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.8.8 release. - http://bit.ly/4wE4RV
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06:37 < CIA-51> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5ce2b6e / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.8.9 deveopment cycle. - http://bit.ly/5lnexG
06:37 <+perlDreamer> yay! new version of WebGUI is out. Let the community rejoice
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16:54 < SDuensin> Hello from Government BS Land!
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--- Log opened Wed Dec 16 17:59:39 2009
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18:20 < CIA-51> WebGUI: translation * r12426 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (4 files): Updating Dutch on translation server
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18:45 <+perlDreamer> man, IRC's been flaky these last several days
18:45 <@Haarg> yeah
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18:48 <+BartJol> well, you can try to add form variables in the url ?
18:48 <+BartJol> not sure whether that is clever
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18:59 <@preaction> danny_mk: you can use macros in the http proxy URL
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