| --- Log opened Thu Mar 01 00:00:52 2007 | ||
| +perlDreamer | I could use a little help with a debug. Is there someone in channel with IE7 and willing to help? | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| @rizen | i don't have IE 7, but i'm willing to help | 00:10 |
| @rizen | =) | 00:10 |
| @rizen | i can download it, but i have to leave in 10 minutes..so it will have to wait until either really late tonight or tomorrow | 00:10 |
| pjesi | why do you need ie7? | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I was demo'ing WebGUI to a potential customer this morning with IE7 and the demo site was completely broken. | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | It works fine with Mozilla. | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | So I'd like a double check before submitting a bug | 00:12 |
| @rizen | steve and frank told me they went through all of webgui and fixed everything ie7 related | 00:13 |
| pjesi | submit the bug to microsoft | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | pjesi: that's funny | 00:13 |
| pjesi | well it is their product that is broken | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: I think there are open IE7 bugs on the board | 00:13 |
| pjesi | perlDreamer: is it specific to the demo template? | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | pjesi: I don't know | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I beat a hasty retreat, blamed it on release day, and scheduled another meeting next week. | 00:15 |
| pjesi | I have always made sure firefox is available on the presentation computer on meetings | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | It was a spur of the moment thing. | 00:17 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: what about the demo site is broken in IE7? | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I created a demo site and tried to login as admin. | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | It kicked me back to the demo create screen. | 00:18 |
| @preaction | k, i just tried that and it worked | 00:18 |
| @preaction | might've been a release thing, when did you do it? | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | 8:45am PST | 00:19 |
| @preaction | so 11:45a roy's time | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: I was thinking of the IE6 and "IE and Firefox" bugs. IE7 is clean on the boards | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: yup | 00:19 |
| @preaction | you might've been doing it while the demo sites were being updated | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll bring my laptop to the next one, just in case. | 00:22 |
| @preaction | is the empty style supposed to include <html> and the proper head tags? | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I remember coming across that during testing. | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | let me check | 01:05 |
| @preaction | it doesn't, but is it supposed to? | 01:05 |
| @preaction | i'm thinking no, that you use the empty style when you generate the entire html doc yourself (or RSS, or otherwise) | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | or when embedding in javascript windows, ala FormHelpers | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Have you seen the bug about groupIdEventEdit? | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it's actually an opinion. What do you think? | 01:11 |
| @preaction | haven't seen it | 01:12 |
| @preaction | actually, groupIdEventEdit was set to the groupIdEdit of the Calendar | 01:13 |
| @preaction | they can change it. that's the idea | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | the bug is that it was set to 3 instead of groupIdEdit | 01:14 |
| @preaction | wait, it's groupIdEventEdit that got changed? | 01:14 |
| @preaction | ohhh, it's from the 7.2.3-7.3.0 upgrade | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | bug already fixed? | 01:15 |
| @preaction | no, i believe that it is explicitly set to "3", let me check | 01:16 |
| @preaction | looks like it isn't explicitly set to anything, but defaults to "3" | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | sidenote: I added a test to Style.t that explicitly checks for html, head and body tags in the empty style template. | 01:18 |
| @preaction | one-line fix: $properties->{groupIdEventEdit} = $properties->{groupIdEdit}; # line 238 of docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.2.3-7.3.0.pl | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | now it will be guaranteed to let us know it changes. | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll commit the fix and try to run an upgrade. | 01:18 |
| @preaction | so it succeeds when there ISNT right? because i think i use the empty style on a bunch of ajax stuff that returns JSON | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | unlike($styled, qr{(?i)</?(html|head|body)>}, 'useEmptyStyle does not have html, head or body tags'); | 01:19 |
| @preaction | word | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a pretty simplistic check, but it gets the idea across | 01:19 |
| @preaction | i did a lot of that sort of checking with the output of getPage | 01:20 |
| @preaction | though i do think in the future we should make a nice getPageAsHTMLTokeParser (or something similar) that returns a proper HTML parsing object | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I noticed that you used the same IO tied variable thing that I did. It doesn't work before perl 5.8, though | 01:21 |
| @preaction | nope | 01:21 |
| @preaction | but webgui requires 5.8 | 01:21 |
| @preaction | before 5.8 you can use the IO::String (i think, or IO::Scalar, one or the other) | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | where does it say that we require 5.8? That's new to me. | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I like it, but I was working under the assumption people would still use earlier perl's | 01:22 |
| @preaction | http://www.plainblack.com/installing_webgui <- maybe testEnvironment.pl should "require v5.8.8" | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | your 1-line fix, is that modifying an existing line or adding a line? | 01:24 |
| @preaction | adding a line | 01:24 |
| @preaction | should be right under a couple other $properties changes | 01:24 |
| @preaction | er, crap | 01:25 |
| @preaction | no, wait, that'll work | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll download and install a 7.2 and then try an upgrade. | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it will work,too, but I've been bitten too many times recently to not test anymore. | 01:26 |
| @preaction | true nuff | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | dude, you did the world a service by rewriting the calendar | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | um, preaction, will it upgrade calendar with no events? | 01:50 |
| @preaction | it should | 02:06 |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui | 02:11 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI | 02:17 | |
| pjesi | damn head.block | 02:18 |
| pjesi | !!! | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | pjesi, if you can build a test for it that shows it's a bug, I'll fix it | 02:20 |
| pjesi | perlDreamer: it is so nondeterministic | 02:21 |
| pjesi | I cant figure it out | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | so it's working sometimes, in some cases, but not in others? | 02:22 |
| pjesi | yes | 02:23 |
| pjesi | last time it didnt show at all, yesterday it was twice within <head/>, today it was once in <head> and once in <body>, later it was correctly only in <head>, now it is only in body | 02:24 |
| @preaction | same asset? which asset type? a page layout (if so, what assets does it contain?) | 02:25 |
| pjesi | Layout.pm | 02:26 |
| pjesi | it contains a whole site | 02:26 |
| pjesi | sorry, it is the head block of the Layout template | 02:27 |
| @preaction | i'm just saying, there are a lot of ways to put head tags up there, and there's one correct way. some of the assets in the Layout might be putting things up there in the wrong way | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: I think he's saying he has a headblock for the layout template, and that info (not any child info) is showing up all over the place, twice or not at all | 02:28 |
| @preaction | so in the Extra Head Tags part of the layout template, which should be put in the <tmpl_var head.tags> area that's handled by the style template? | 02:29 |
| pjesi | sometimes the child info is displayed as well (rss link for example) | 02:30 |
| pjesi | yes <tmpl_var head.tags> is in the Style | 02:30 |
| pjesi | it sometimes prints them there | 02:31 |
| pjesi | sometimes above the normal block | 02:31 |
| pjesi | anyways, I managed to push Hinrik into fixing this | 02:32 |
| pjesi | above normal block is at the top of <tmpl_var body.content> | 02:41 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: I figured out what was going on with the upgrade. I short-circuited it and it broke the upgrade process quietly. | 02:44 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has quit [""""] | 02:47 | |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] | 03:01 | |
| pjesi | it does look like it is injected in head.tags if I am not loged in | 03:10 |
| SDuensin | WHOO HOO! My photo gallery is (mostly) working! | 03:22 |
| -!- streamlines [n=streamli@wsip-68-110-129-224.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #webgui | 03:36 | |
| SDuensin | Anybody awake? I may be on the verge of a wiki article here. | 03:39 |
| streamlines | I'm here, but likely to be of much use to you. | 03:43 |
| SDuensin | Never know. I just need the name of a template variable. Can't seem to find it... | 03:44 |
| SDuensin | I uploaded a file and changed the menu title field. When I use file.menuTitle, it's blank... | 03:44 |
| SDuensin | If I use menuTitle by itself, I get the title of the folder the file is in. | 03:44 |
| SDuensin | I want to get the menuTitle of the file from inside a template for the parent folder. (This is for a photo gallery.) | 03:45 |
| SDuensin | Make sense? | 03:45 |
| streamlines | Sorry, SDuensin, I'm just getting into WG, still readning literature and figuring stuff out. WQish I could be more helpful. | 03:45 |
| SDuensin | Me too. :-) | 03:45 |
| SDuensin | WebGUI rocks. It's just big. Takes awhile to find everything. | 03:46 |
| streamlines | yup. I'm a tech, and knowenough perl, but yeah, WebGUI is BIG/ | 03:46 |
| SDuensin | "Enough Perl" == "Live Bomb" :-) | 03:47 |
| streamlines | that's exactly right. enuff to cause MAJOR issues. just another hacker. | 03:48 |
| streamlines | how long you been using WG? | 03:48 |
| SDuensin | I'm getting back into it. I used the 5.x series for a lot of sites. Had issues with 6.x and my server. Now I'm back. :-D | 03:49 |
| streamlines | wow. where'd you go? | 03:49 |
| SDuensin | Let me tell you... 7.x is a LOT different from 5.x. Very impressive. | 03:49 |
| streamlines | so you coming back from PHPland? | 03:50 |
| @preaction | SDuensin: it's possible the Image asset doesn't have a menuTitle for some reason. you might want to also try title | 03:50 |
| SDuensin | I've run a lot of other content systems since then. Never happy with any of them. | 03:50 |
| SDuensin | preaction - Isn't file.title the filename? | 03:50 |
| streamlines | any perl-based? | 03:50 |
| @preaction | durned if i know, haven't been inside the Image asset yet | 03:50 |
| SDuensin | No, streamlines. Perl was the problem. My host didn't have hardly any modules installed and my personal server didn't have the bandwidth I needed. | 03:51 |
| SDuensin | preaction - Let me commit my version and show you what I have. I think you'll like it. | 03:51 |
| @preaction | Perl is too awesome for its own good | 03:51 |
| SDuensin | preaction (and streamlines) - take a peek: http://new.duensing.com:2080/home/gallery/rylee/snow | 03:51 |
| streamlines | ahhh....so did you eventuall change hosts? I wonder how many others have that issue a a block to using WG? | 03:51 |
| SDuensin | New host, and more bandwidth on my personal connection. I can run from either of them now. | 03:52 |
| @preaction | the little loading bar thingy doesn't like me :( | 03:53 |
| SDuensin | ? | 03:53 |
| @preaction | i click an image, and the loading bar shows up, but the image doesn't seem to load | 03:53 |
| SDuensin | What browser? | 03:54 |
| streamlines | I've gotta hop a firewall to get to see port 2080 too. That may be why. | 03:54 |
| @preaction | Firefox 2.0.0.1 Intel Mac | 03:54 |
| streamlines | that's why I still dont see anything :-). I'll fix mine. | 03:54 |
| SDuensin | Well, hell, that's what I have. :-) | 03:54 |
| SDuensin | Do you see the coat-of-arms above the menu? (Coat-of-arms == shield thing.) | 03:54 |
| @preaction | i see the coat of arms, but no menu | 03:55 |
| SDuensin | !!!! | 03:55 |
| @preaction | i'm also a Visitor | 03:55 |
| SDuensin | Weiiiiirrd. | 03:55 |
| @preaction | that might be the problem | 03:55 |
| SDuensin | Crap. Menu fixed. | 03:55 |
| SDuensin | For some bizarre reason, it was set to "Ad Managers". | 03:56 |
| @preaction | that happens when it's not set | 03:56 |
| SDuensin | I bet I got a lot more screwed up then. | 03:57 |
| @preaction | oh: to make the rows have a uniform height: surround them in a div that has a height of the maximum height of your thumbnails | 03:57 |
| SDuensin | Yea. Any way to pull that from a variable? | 03:58 |
| @preaction | the clicking works, it just took longer than i anticipated | 03:58 |
| @preaction | umm.... not that i'm aware of | 03:59 |
| SDuensin | Maybe my pipe is clogged. Dang users! | 03:59 |
| @preaction | someone's clogging the intertubes? | 03:59 |
| streamlines | hmm...same problem on my end. Image 10 of 16 works though. odd. I | 03:59 |
| streamlines | noticed some did and some didn't (some == atleast one). c | 03:59 |
| * SDuensin blames his LAN. | 04:00 | |
| streamlines | clicked around more and no others workd. | 04:00 |
| SDuensin | Only 10 worked? | 04:00 |
| streamlines | didn't click all thumbs thoh. | 04:00 |
| SDuensin | Nothing different about 10. | 04:00 |
| @preaction | i got number 9 | 04:00 |
| streamlines | number 10 of 16. popped up the thingy where you can click next to nav to others. | 04:01 |
| streamlines | Ah. so maybe his pipe really is clogged. | 04:01 |
| streamlines | bu nav to tohers from the thingy (next / prev) didnt work either. | 04:01 |
| SDuensin | Dunno. | 04:01 |
| SDuensin | Sounds like clogged pipes. | 04:02 |
| @preaction | i assume tey work, just slowly | 04:02 |
| @preaction | is the thumbnail size a site setting? | 04:02 |
| @preaction | imma try to make a patch | 04:02 |
| SDuensin | For that test gallery, I didn't size those images at all. They're around 2 megapixel and the script scales 'em. | 04:02 |
| SDuensin | I think it's a site setting. | 04:02 |
| SDuensin | Yes. Admin->Settings->Content | 04:03 |
| @preaction | but it can, unfortunately, be overridden per image | 04:04 |
| SDuensin | Yea. I know. | 04:04 |
| streamlines | you trust a script to resize on the fly? what processor---oh yseah, macintel. nevermind | 04:04 |
| SDuensin | I don't trust it. I just know it does it. When this site goes live, I'll scale them myself. | 04:05 |
| @preaction | it's probably just setting a width/height in the CSS | 04:05 |
| SDuensin | That's my guess, preaction. | 04:05 |
| streamlines | ah.. .sorr. maybe some loop in the resize script? preaction got 9 and I got 10 ok? still having trouble loading any others. | 04:05 |
| @preaction | they just take 30 seconds about | 04:06 |
| streamlines | preaction, you getting em all now? | 04:06 |
| @preaction | i'm up to 11 | 04:06 |
| @preaction | 12... | 04:06 |
| streamlines | oohhh. sorry. I need to keep quiet. and look at my other monotors every now and again. sorry again. Loading fine as you said. | 04:07 |
| SDuensin | hehehe | 04:08 |
| streamlines | (slink, slink). lurk lurk. | 04:08 |
| streamlines | I'll just go read my BRAND NEW wegui primer book. Amazing how much isn't obvious. | 04:09 |
| SDuensin | Looks like a variable won't help anyway. You can't add in a template thingie, so there's no way to include the margin. | 04:09 |
| SDuensin | I didn't buy the primer. Got the subscription to the docs. | 04:09 |
| streamlines | yeah, got that too. we should wiki article.... | 04:10 |
| SDuensin | I want to wiki this gallery after I get it sorted out. | 04:11 |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@68.51.234.189] has joined #webgui | 04:11 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ | 04:11 | |
| streamlines | I haven't had time to get the BIG picture from the subscription. All is still a bit fuzzy to me. BEst thing in to dive in and test and hack. | 04:13 |
| streamlines | Then feel fuzzy enough to share via wiki. | 04:13 |
| SDuensin | Whoa. I have a template I can't edit. Every time I click "Edit" it acts like I did "View". | 04:18 |
| SDuensin | Grrr. Tried all I can think of. Restarting WebGUI now. Hope that fixes it! | 04:24 |
| -!- [1]NetForged_Nea [n=Neal@c-24-20-104-7.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 04:25 | |
| SDuensin | That fixed it. Weird. | 04:28 |
| SDuensin | Ok, just need to find that template variable for the menuTitle. | 04:33 |
| SDuensin | Anybody? Anybody? Buelher? | 04:40 |
| -!- [2]NetForged_Nea [n=Neal@c-24-20-104-7.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 04:42 | |
| -!- NetForged_Neal [n=Neal@c-24-20-104-7.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 04:42 | |
| -!- [2]NetForged_Nea is now known as NetForged_Neal | 04:42 | |
| -!- streamlines [n=streamli@wsip-68-110-129-224.ga.at.cox.net] has quit ["Leaving"] | 04:48 | |
| @preaction | SDuensin: i think menuTitle is a Wobject property, and Image is only an Asset | 04:58 |
| SDuensin | That hurts my head. | 04:58 |
| SDuensin | Why does it have a field for it then? | 04:58 |
| @preaction | nm, menuTitle is in Asset | 04:59 |
| @preaction | perhaps it's getting clobbered somehow? | 04:59 |
| -!- [1]NetForged_Nea [n=Neal@c-24-20-104-7.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 04:59 | |
| SDuensin | I have no idea. It's inside a loop. | 05:01 |
| Radix-wrk | So were PedersenMJ and my entries the only ones for the wcc - haven't seen any additions to the wiki at all :( | 05:37 |
| SDuensin | I didn't have time to write my photo gallery entry. :-( | 05:38 |
| @preaction | Radix-wrk: there's still 2 hours 20 minutes in the month of February ;) | 05:40 |
| Radix-wrk | Depends what time zone you're in I guess - but even still I'd have expected people to have added something by now | 05:41 |
| @preaction | yeah, i'm thinking no | 05:41 |
| Radix-wrk | Just a bit sad that there was only two of us who contributed. :( | 05:42 |
| @preaction | steve just tapped me for some perl code to add to the design for http://webgui.org, so hopefully after the split we have less people saying that WebGUI is Plain Black | 05:42 |
| Radix-wrk | cool | 05:43 |
| @preaction | plus as evidenced in the IRC channel, the community is re-growing | 05:43 |
| Radix-wrk | yup.. was only two others in here when I started! :) | 05:43 |
| Radix-wrk | and neither of them said anything! | 05:43 |
| @preaction | yeah, back in the good ol' days | 05:44 |
| Radix-wrk | hehe | 05:44 |
| @preaction | well, maybe not so good | 05:44 |
| SDuensin | I still want to write my wiki entry. Just need to figure a few more things out. | 05:45 |
| SDuensin | Unfortunately, it's not going to happen in two hours and 15 minutes. | 05:45 |
| @preaction | eh, i imagine it ends when Roy reads his mail in the morning, so go ahead and submit, and maybe you'll be grandfathered in | 05:45 |
| Radix-wrk | this with the photo gallery template that rizen gave you the other day? or something new since then? | 05:46 |
| SDuensin | I can't finish it tonight. :-/ | 05:46 |
| SDuensin | It's built off what he gave me. | 05:46 |
| -!- patspam [n=notgiven@203-214-44-39.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #webgui | 05:46 | |
| SDuensin | http://new.duensing.com:2080/home/gallery/rylee/snow | 05:46 |
| SDuensin | My connection seems to be slow tonight, and the images need resized. Give it time when you click on one. | 05:46 |
| @preaction | and unfortunately, i just learned my frypan needs to warm up far more in order to cook proper stirfry | 05:46 |
| @preaction | i blame the fact that i haven't cooked chinese in a while | 05:47 |
| Radix-wrk | electric wok ftw! | 05:47 |
| SDuensin | Like that gallery? | 05:48 |
| Radix-wrk | I have a very nice, deep electric wok (2400w) that is great for instant stirfry.. heats up REAL quick and perfect for all sorts.. tis cool | 05:48 |
| @preaction | something i might need to look into | 05:49 |
| Radix-wrk | my stove sucks, so I tend to use the wok for all sorts of stuff.. pasta, curries, etc | 05:49 |
| Radix-wrk | SDuensin, neat! | 05:50 |
| Radix-wrk | Did you check out that SlideShowPro link I posted the other day? | 05:50 |
| Radix-wrk | Kinda similar in some ways except that one is all flash. | 05:50 |
| SDuensin | Yea. Looked cool. Didn't look free though. (I've been on a hell of an OSS kick lately.) | 05:50 |
| Radix-wrk | nah.. definitely not free | 05:51 |
| SDuensin | It did look good though! | 05:51 |
| Radix-wrk | and yeah, this one looks awesome if it's free | 05:51 |
| SDuensin | This is really easy. Just toss images into a folder asset and assign the gallery template. | 05:51 |
| SDuensin | It's even smart enough to work out multiple galleries on one page and set up the paging for them. | 05:52 |
| SDuensin | I just wish I knew how to get to the menuTitle field of the image assets! | 05:52 |
| Radix-wrk | Hmm.. you know what would really rock.. a webgui object that interfaces/links to a flickr set or something as they do have a full api I'm pretty sure | 05:52 |
| SDuensin | That wouldn't be too hard, I wouldn't think. | 05:53 |
| SDuensin | I'm not much for hosting my content elsewhere. That's why I was looking to do it all with WebGUI. | 05:53 |
| SDuensin | Anyway, I'll ask more weird template questions tomorrow when more people are here. | 05:57 |
| SDuensin | Night! | 05:57 |
| Radix-wrk | Yeah, it's hard for us aussies tho.. upload bandwidth is so limited here (1mbit max prettymuch without forking out a fortune) and it's slow for the rest of the world to boot. We can get away with hosting the images ourselves (providing they're not large ones) off our 1mbit uplink - but everything else, larger files, movies, downloads, pdfs, etc all have to go on external hosting for us or our net link is cactus | 05:58 |
| patspam | what's the proper way to update groupIdView on an asset through the API? | 06:17 |
| @preaction | $asset->update({ groupIdView => "newValue" }); | 06:17 |
| @preaction | unless you want to make a new revision | 06:17 |
| patspam | ah great, thanks | 06:18 |
| -!- patspam [n=notgiven@203-214-44-39.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] | 08:35 | |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@68.51.234.189] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 08:41 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] | 09:42 | |
| Hinrik | http://paste2.org/p/1605 | 10:52 |
| Hinrik | how do I fix this? | 10:52 |
| Hinrik | /data is a symlink to /usr/local/data btw... | 10:52 |
| Hinrik | most non-ascii characters come out wrong | 10:53 |
| Hinrik | this is all supposed to be set to utf8 | 10:53 |
| Hinrik | it looks right if I start the client with --default-character-set=utf8, but that should be the default... | 10:54 |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@194.171.50.114] has joined #webgui | 11:04 | |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@194.171.50.114] has quit [Client Quit] | 11:05 | |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@194.171.50.114] has joined #webgui | 11:05 | |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@194.171.50.114] has quit ["leaving"] | 14:03 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 14:11 | |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@194.171.50.114] has joined #webgui | 14:21 | |
| -!- [1]NetForged_Nea [n=Neal@c-24-20-104-7.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 14:29 | |
| -!- NetForged_Neal [n=Neal@c-24-20-104-7.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 14:29 | |
| -!- [1]NetForged_Nea is now known as NetForged_Neal | 14:29 | |
| -!- pjesi_ [i=pjesi@klefi01.litlahraun.is] has joined #webgui | 15:58 | |
| pjesi_ | hi guys | 15:58 |
| pjesi_ | I was asked to add a discussion board to the site but it doesnt show any controls | 15:59 |
| pjesi_ | so I tried the CS | 15:59 |
| pjesi_ | it doesnt generate any html | 16:00 |
| pjesi_ | any ideas? | 16:00 |
| -!- [1]NetForged_Nea [n=Neal@c-24-20-104-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 16:01 | |
| -!- wgGuest97 [n=wgGuest9@zen.ecocoms.com] has joined #webgui | 16:04 | |
| -!- wgGuest97 is now known as todor_k | 16:04 | |
| -!- NetForged_Neal [n=Neal@c-24-20-104-7.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 16:17 | |
| -!- [1]NetForged_Nea is now known as NetForged_Neal | 16:17 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 16:20 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ | 16:20 | |
| -!- mediak [n=rjacobse@74-129-192-43.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 16:55 | |
| @snapcount | woo hoo... vpn time | 17:12 |
| @snapcount | back later | 17:12 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui | 17:17 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ | 17:17 | |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@194.171.50.114] has quit ["leaving"] | 17:23 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 17:31 | |
| ckotil | How could i programmatically migrate Faq-o-matic entries to webgui , without writing a custom import script? | 18:49 |
| @rizen | you realize that what you just stated is an oxymoron right? | 18:49 |
| @rizen | how can i program without programming? | 18:49 |
| * ckotil sighs | 18:50 | |
| ckotil | yes. | 18:50 |
| @rizen | i have one way you could do it | 18:50 |
| ckotil | im all ears. | 18:50 |
| @rizen | you could have someone else do the programming for you | 18:50 |
| @rizen | that way *you* didn't do any programming | 18:50 |
| ckotil | thats a technicality | 18:51 |
| @rizen | it's my only suggestiong | 18:51 |
| @rizen | minus the g | 18:51 |
| ckotil | k. | 18:51 |
| @rizen | does SQL count as programming? | 18:51 |
| ckotil | yes. | 18:51 |
| @rizen | k | 18:51 |
| @rizen | no suggestions then | 18:51 |
| ckotil | i might try to write something to crawl the FOM grab the text and create webgui assets | 18:52 |
| ckotil | id rather not do this by hand. (enter all the FOM entries into wG) | 18:52 |
| @rizen | that counts as programming | 18:53 |
| ckotil | indeed it does. i was just asking if there were a way to do it wihtout programming | 18:54 |
| ckotil | or if a script already existed | 18:54 |
| ckotil | crythias uses FOM for his webgui faq | 18:55 |
| ckotil | and theres a question. why not use webgui for the faq. | 18:55 |
| ckotil | to which there is not a good answer. | 18:55 |
| @rizen | he has an answer for that in his faq | 18:55 |
| ckotil | oh, i should reread it then. | 18:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | his provider doesn't allow webgui | 18:55 |
| ckotil | my group just decided to give up the FOM to use webgui | 18:55 |
| ckotil | oh :x hehe | 18:55 |
| @rizen | that isn't the only reason | 18:56 |
| @rizen | nor is it the reason he gives in his faq | 18:56 |
| ckotil | so i setup the file/knowledge repository structure in webgui. | 18:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | let me read the faq then | 18:56 |
| @rizen | in the faq he says something like: i didn't expect to stay with webgui very long | 18:56 |
| ckotil | i use shortcut assets in a few places for redundancy. it has come together quiet nicely, and is starting to fill up with content | 18:56 |
| ckotil | ah. | 18:56 |
| ckotil | navigation assets 0wn me. they are a life saver | 18:57 |
| @rizen | nice to hear, many people say they are the bane of their existience | 18:59 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit ["Leaving."] | 19:01 | |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui | 19:02 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ | 19:02 | |
| ckotil | at first they were. | 19:09 |
| ckotil | now i make them my bitch | 19:09 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has joined #webgui | 19:52 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 19:52 | |
| -!- pjesi_ [i=pjesi@klefi01.litlahraun.is] has quit ["leaving"] | 20:01 | |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil: For your FAQ-o-matic, you could HttpProxy it in, but that's a workaround | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: re SDuensin's folder problems, the Folder only gives you a limited set of child Asset properties. | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | It's a bummer | 20:11 |
| @preaction | is it an RFE? i'll pump in some karma | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | menuTitle is not in the list | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | It would be like a 10 second hack. | 20:12 |
| @preaction | it's easier to get the full gamut than it is to restrict :p | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | well, yes and no | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | $asset->get vs $asset->getTemplateVars is a whole world of difference | 20:12 |
| @preaction | $asset->get gets menuTitle | 20:13 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, plus it gets every base Asset property, every base Wobject property and every specific Asset/Wobject property. | 20:14 |
| +perlDreamer | We couldn't document that in the generic way that it is now. | 20:14 |
| @preaction | wait, there is a base WebGUI::Asset::getTemplateVars? | 20:14 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 20:14 |
| @preaction | ok | 20:14 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, kind of | 20:15 |
| +perlDreamer | every template in the end does $asset->get and appends it to the template vars passed in. | 20:15 |
| +perlDreamer | (top-level asset template, not child level template vars) | 20:15 |
| +perlDreamer | If every asset had a getTemplateVars, like the oh-so well designed Event and Calendar, it would make sub-classing them possible. | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | and testing them easier | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | and adding tertiary interfaces possible (think SOAP/WSDL, etc.) | 20:16 |
| @preaction | true enough | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I guess what I'm saying is that we could file a bug report for the missing menuTitle and get it in now, and then talk with the big guy about larger interfaces in 7.4 | 20:17 |
| @preaction | using getTemplateVars as the way to get the base template vars of the asset that are general to every www_ method in the asset | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: I need a bug consult. I fixed half of a bug but need to know how to correct things that the bug has already broken. | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction:are you saying every www_ method in Asset, or just in Event and Calendar? | 20:23 |
| @preaction | i don't know. it fits for Event because of the processing involved with the dates, but for something like a Folder, $asset->get works fine | 20:25 |
| @preaction | of course, WebGUI::Asset::getTemplateVars could just return $self->get; and let the child classes add to that | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, I alluded to that earlier | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | ->get and -getTemplateVariables are worlds apart | 20:26 |
| @preaction | that's what i was thinkng you were getting at | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | ->get would meet 90% of most people's needs | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | but also contains yards of Asset cruft | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | assetIds, templateIds, groupIds, etc. | 20:27 |
| +perlDreamer | users will want asset names, template names and group names | 20:27 |
| +perlDreamer | that requires getTemplateVars | 20:27 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] | 20:40 | |
| ckotil | pd: ive deleted every http proxy asset on my site | 20:47 |
| ckotil | it was causing apache to blow up. spiked the cpu and filled up the memory and swap | 20:47 |
| ckotil | web crawlers were pulling down our rrd files | 20:47 |
| ckotil | remember, the funky characters hitting my logs. | 20:47 |
| ckotil | id like to go back to using http proxy asset bc its really nice to get that content inline with the rest of my site | 20:48 |
| ckotil | What's this import script xtopher is using? | 20:56 |
| ckotil | importing content from static sites. i might be able to use that for my FOM entries | 20:56 |
| @rizen | pd, i'm back | 21:07 |
| @rizen | i guess i should say perlDreamer so that it actually makes a sound for you | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm here | 21:19 |
| +perlDreamer | You remember the file upload bug from 2-3 days ago? | 21:19 |
| @rizen | i'm not | 21:19 |
| +perlDreamer | oh | 21:19 |
| @rizen | just kidding | 21:19 |
| @rizen | yes | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | the bug is fixed, but now people have images with no thumbnails | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | should we script a solution for that? | 21:20 |
| @rizen | there's already one | 21:20 |
| @rizen | thumbnailer.pl comes with webgui | 21:20 |
| @rizen | although, you could add a --flag to it | 21:21 |
| @rizen | to only generate thumbs for images that don't have them | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | the only side effect I see to that is ZipArchives may upload images, and they'd get thumbnails created in there, but that's not bad | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll post that as the response to the bug and add it to the gotchas | 21:22 |
| @rizen | yeah, they'd get them, but it shouldn't affect them | 21:23 |
| @rizen | so i think we're good | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | is there a general threshold/metric for deciding when to create scripts to fix stuff like this versus not? | 21:23 |
| @rizen | did i do something deserving thanks? | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | you decided whether this should have more work done on it | 21:24 |
| @rizen | generally speaking we should try to fix stuff directly in the upgrade when possible and practical | 21:24 |
| @rizen | in this case, adding the thumbnailer to the upgrade is possible but not practical | 21:24 |
| @rizen | because it will slow down the upgrade considerably | 21:24 |
| @rizen | and my guess is that most people don't care about the thumbnails or we would have had a lot more people raising a big stink about it | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | The thumbnailer script doesn't use Getopts for command line arguments. Can I convert it to add the flag? | 21:31 |
| ckotil | http://www.plainblack.com/uploads/3C/X7/3CX7ekuCh7O6SuhqPNj-gQ/IIPImportSites_poland_pl.txt @ $myfolder , im confused at the difference in templateId and styleTemplateId | 21:35 |
| ckotil | at $myfolder , im confused at the difference in templateId and styleTemplateId | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | templateId is whatever local/asset specific template the asset uses to display itself. The view method. | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | styleTemplate is there so that when you visit an Asset directly (via its url), it gets the style template for the site. | 21:37 |
| +perlDreamer | does that help? | 21:37 |
| ckotil | ya , got it. thanks pd | 21:37 |
| @rizen | pd: yes | 21:40 |
| @rizen | that's one of the very first utility scripts i ever wrote for webgui | 21:40 |
| @rizen | so i'm sure it could use some TLC | 21:41 |
| @rizen | gotta reboot..brb | 21:41 |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] | 21:41 | |
| ckotil | pd im still confused actually... | 21:44 |
| ckotil | im inside.. | 21:44 |
| ckotil | my $page = $parent->addChild({ | 21:44 |
| ckotil | className=>'WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Layout', | 21:44 |
| ckotil | and i see | 21:45 |
| ckotil | templateId=>"ahG2dUzE0GrK2kHWt6Qxdw", | 21:45 |
| ckotil | styleTemplateId=>$templateID, | 21:45 |
| ckotil | why would styleTemplateId match templateId | 21:45 |
| ckotil | shouldnt styleTemplateId be the sites style? | 21:45 |
| ckotil | im about to just go through with it on my dev box,a nd see what happens. ive already got a backup ready | 21:46 |
| ckotil | oh. nvm | 21:47 |
| ckotil | templateId must be different from $templateId | 21:47 |
| +perlDreamer | bad variable naming convention | 21:48 |
| +perlDreamer | it probably should have been called $styleTemplateId instead of $templateId | 21:48 |
| +perlDreamer | One way to check it is to go find the template associated with that Id and check it's template namespace | 21:48 |
| ckotil | ya i didnt that for article, and it checked out pbltmpl0000002. | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | huh? | 21:51 |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 21:52 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ | 21:52 | |
| ckotil | i dunno | 21:54 |
| ckotil | here goes nothing. | 21:54 |
| * ckotil crosses his fingers | 21:54 | |
| @rizen | cut the blue wire!!! | 21:55 |
| * perlDreamer points out that rizen is color blind | 21:56 | |
| +perlDreamer | Alas, poor ckotil. We knew him well | 22:01 |
| @rizen | he must have died | 22:06 |
| @rizen | not a single reply in over 10 minutes | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | You sure about that blue wire? | 22:08 |
| @rizen | hmmm...i could have been mistaken | 22:12 |
| @rizen | it might have been the green wire | 22:12 |
| ckotil | im just frustrated | 22:16 |
| ckotil | im getting 'cannot open config file: at ....../WebGUI/Config.pm line 350, <DATA> line 225 | 22:17 |
| +perlDreamer | the scripts usually accept a bare config file name, without path | 22:18 |
| +perlDreamer | also check read access | 22:18 |
| ckotil | im running as root. | 22:18 |
| ckotil | at first i got this error... | 22:18 |
| @rizen | and make sure you're spelling crap right | 22:18 |
| ckotil | Couldn't parse JSON in config file '' | 22:19 |
| @rizen | i'm a terrible typist so i always mistype | 22:19 |
| ckotil | then i edited where it looks for the coonfig. | 22:19 |
| ckotil | this is how it originially was. my $session = WebGUI::Session->open("../",$configFile); | 22:19 |
| ckotil | i made it my $session = WebGUI::Session->open("../etc/",$configFile); | 22:19 |
| ckotil | running from inside sbin | 22:19 |
| ckotil | then i get the Config.pm error | 22:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Session->open wants a WebGUI root directory | 22:20 |
| ckotil | ok , so it was fine to begin with. | 22:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd say the original error is true and you have bad JSON. | 22:20 |
| ckotil | k | 22:21 |
| ckotil | hrm, ive had this config since 6.99 | 22:21 |
| +perlDreamer | recently modified? | 22:28 |
| ckotil | i think one my admins hacked it up a while back | 22:28 |
| ckotil | im editing WebGUI.original.conf | 22:29 |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 22:30 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ | 22:30 | |
| ckotil | still couldnt parse JSON in config | 22:37 |
| @snapcount | good lord, somehow I managed to burn this TV dinner | 22:41 |
| @snapcount | still not too bad though... | 22:41 |
| ckotil | hrm. my config has to be JSON | 22:46 |
| ckotil | this script still isnt working for me. any ideas? | 22:46 |
| ckotil | new plan of action | 22:53 |
| ckotil | after realizing this script will not be the end all solution to my problem. i.e grab all the entries of the FOM and represent them as layouts and articles. i will instead use the fileImport script | 22:54 |
| ckotil | and then deal with organizing hte mess of html files | 22:54 |
| ckotil | as file assets. for now | 22:54 |
| @preaction | snapcount: SYN? | 22:57 |
| @snapcount | ack | 22:57 |
| ckotil | yuck what a mess that is | 23:09 |
| -!- Vrby [n=Vrby@d11-153.rb2.lax.centurytel.net] has joined #webgui | 23:10 | |
| -!- Vrby [n=Vrby@d11-153.rb2.lax.centurytel.net] has left #webgui [] | 23:11 | |
| -!- snapcount_ [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 23:20 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 23:22 | |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil: how about setting up a CS-based FAQ-o-matic? | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | but that takes you back to the JSON stuff | 23:31 |
| @preaction | i'm thinking that the error you're getting should have a filename in those '', otherwise i'm thinking that it's not getting the configuration filename | 23:32 |
| ckotil | a CS-based FOM would be ideal. i think my group would go for that. | 23:37 |
| ckotil | yah, he '' is suspect | 23:37 |
| ckotil | s/he/the | 23:37 |
| @preaction | Session->open($WEBGUI_ROOT, $PATH_TO_CONFIG); # $PATH_TO_CONFIG should include 'etc/' iirc. otherwise WebGUI::Session->open should probably include some more debug code for when it fatals like that | 23:38 |
| @preaction | cannot parse JSON why? you know | 23:39 |
| ckotil | beats me. | 23:39 |
| ckotil | my conf is JSON. has to be. | 23:39 |
| @preaction | check $! or $@ as appropriate | 23:39 |
| ckotil | i even recreated it based on WebGUI.original.conf | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | you don't need the ./etc | 23:40 |
| * ckotil nods | 23:40 | |
| ckotil | i removed it. | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI::Config adds is automatically | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | that didn't help? | 23:40 |
| ckotil | nope. | 23:41 |
| ckotil | in the mean time i ran importFile.pl | 23:41 |
| ckotil | that ran off just fine | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | if you like, you can paste that part of your script for us to look at | 23:45 |
| xdanger | my webgui installation isn't sending emails anymore... where should I start to look? | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | spectre | 23:47 |
| xdanger | it's running | 23:47 |
| @preaction | mysql mailQueue table | 23:47 |
| xdanger | smtp server is working | 23:47 |
| @rizen | if you're running 7.3.10 or abovve | 23:47 |
| @rizen | do | 23:47 |
| @rizen | perl spectre.pl --status | 23:47 |
| @rizen | and see if there's some stuff gummed up | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: off the top of your head, do you remember the PBP for constructing booleans out of complex conditionals? | 23:48 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: nope | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | k, thanks | 23:48 |
| xdanger | rizen: I'm running 7.3.8 | 23:48 |
| @rizen | then do what perlDreamer suggested and look at what's in your mailQueue table | 23:49 |
| ckotil | ill take it to the forums. | 23:50 |
| ckotil | thanks guys | 23:51 |
| xdanger | There's 8 mails, in the queue table... | 23:51 |
| @rizen | and restarting spectre doesn't clear them out? | 23:52 |
| xdanger | nope | 23:54 |
| @rizen | then either you have some other workflow gumming up the works | 23:55 |
| @rizen | check the running workflows screen in webgui | 23:55 |
| @rizen | or your mail server isn't taking the mails | 23:55 |
| xdanger | I was running spectre on --debug --run in screen... restarted that | 23:55 |
| @rizen | check the webgui.log | 23:55 |
| xdanger | nothing in the log | 23:55 |
| @rizen | that's the amount of support i'm willing to give you | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, that would make a great wiki article | 23:56 |
| xdanger | There are 3-4 screens of Hourly Maintenance Tasks in showRunningWorkflows | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | and would save you from asking all those questions every time to every spectre question | 23:56 |
| @rizen | good luck with that pd | 23:57 |
| @rizen | i don't write wiki articles | 23:57 |
| @rizen | i write books that are for sale | 23:57 |
| @rizen | and i have over 20 pages of troubleshooting material in that book i'm writing just on spectre | 23:57 |
| --- Day changed Fri Mar 02 2007 | ||
| +perlDreamer | roger that, rizen. Maybe I'll just copy and paste the most basic stuff from the IRC logs and then teach gooeybot a new trick. | 00:02 |
| @preaction | step 1? | 00:03 |
| gooeybot | step 1 is Check the error logs, both WebGUI and Apache. | 00:03 |
| xdanger | spectre debug prints something like this: WORKFLOW: Was told to wait on PihhW8apdQ7RQeke0sTwHg because we're still waiting on some external event. | 00:05 |
| xdanger | all the time | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: can a mysql select statement be constructed to do the setting of groupIdEditEvent to groupIdEdit? It would require joining the tables and doing a revision subselect? | 00:06 |
| @rizen | have you noticed that the irc channel has pretty much killed the dev mailing list? | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | devs are impatient? | 00:07 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: update Calendar set groupIdEditEvent=(select groupIdEdit from assetData where assetData.assetId=Calendar.assetId); # maybe? | 00:07 |
| @preaction | oh, forgot the revision subselect as well | 00:07 |
| @preaction | might just be easier to update the current revision using API though | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 00:08 |
| @preaction | rizen: i was thinking about mentioning something on the dev list about it, IRC is easier | 00:08 |
| @preaction | and surprisingly it's populated almost 24/7, thanks to our aussie and euro cohorts | 00:09 |
| @rizen | yeah, but it's also realtime | 00:09 |
| @preaction | if someone's active ;) | 00:09 |
| @rizen | which is a gift and a curse | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | what's the curse part? | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | not being able to queue up and respond to stuff? | 00:11 |
| @rizen | the curse part is you have to be here to participate | 00:12 |
| @rizen | technically you could read the logs...but unless you're dedicated you won't do that | 00:12 |
| @rizen | the dev mailing list is organized by threads | 00:13 |
| @rizen | and it's not real time | 00:13 |
| @rizen | so you can participate in the discussion on your own time | 00:13 |
| @rizen | and only follow the threads that are interesting to you | 00:13 |
| @rizen | if you're not here and you read the logs | 00:13 |
| @rizen | and then respond 2 days later | 00:13 |
| @rizen | nobody will know what you're talking about | 00:13 |
| xdanger | WORKFLOW: Total workflows waiting to run: 720 | 00:14 |
| @rizen | on the dev mailing list...everyone knows | 00:14 |
| xdanger | The number isn't going down.. | 00:14 |
| @rizen | there's your problem xdanger...you have a clog | 00:14 |
| @rizen | if you upgrade to 7.3.10+, the ones that can run will | 00:14 |
| @rizen | and the others will be left | 00:14 |
| @rizen | thusly explaining where your clog is | 00:14 |
| xdanger | ok | 00:14 |
| xdanger | great | 00:14 |
| xdanger | Don't have the time to upgrade right now, but will do that tommorrow... | 00:15 |
| @rizen | that's the beauty of the new queuing system in 7.3.10...it can't get clogged | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | you can call it DRAINO | 00:15 |
| xdanger | that good =) | 00:15 |
| @rizen | you can have stuff that doesn't work...but everything else continues working | 00:15 |
| @rizen | and you can then just fix the problem children | 00:15 |
| @rizen | pd: why didn't you come up with that when we were talking about it before? | 00:16 |
| @rizen | i could have named it DRAINO | 00:16 |
| @rizen | heeh | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Dynamic Reallocation of Asynchronous INternet Objects | 00:17 |
| @rizen | nope | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | time to test thumbnailer 2.0 | 00:18 |
| @rizen | that doesn't make any sense | 00:18 |
| @rizen | ooooooh | 00:18 |
| @rizen | thumbnailer 2.0 | 00:18 |
| @rizen | that's my favorite | 00:18 |
| @rizen | did you upgrade it to use File::Find | 00:18 |
| @rizen | cuz i should have done that long ago | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | want a preview? | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | gooeybot pastebin? | 00:18 |
| gooeybot | pastebin is http://pastebin.ca | 00:18 |
| @rizen | just check it in | 00:18 |
| @rizen | then i'll have a preview | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | it's in | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | and untested | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | <insert standard disclaimer here> | 00:20 |
| @preaction | Dynamic Running of Asychronous INdependant Outcomes | 00:20 |
| @preaction | we need an acrobot in here | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | what do you know? the thing worked the first time! | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | <remove standard disclaimer> | 00:23 |
| @rizen | looks good | 00:25 |
| @rizen | ooh | 00:25 |
| @rizen | nevermind | 00:25 |
| @rizen | it's crap | 00:25 |
| @rizen | it doesn't have the standard --help option | 00:25 |
| @rizen | that all other utils do | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | --help it is | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | -2 bugs | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | Is the clipboard now shared by default? | 00:46 |
| @rizen | shared? | 00:52 |
| @rizen | you mean between users? | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:53 |
| @rizen | no | 00:53 |
| @rizen | each user has their own clipboard | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm looking at susanb's clipboard bug. She cut something from a page and then deleted the page. Since the parentId points to the page, the clipboard item got deleted, too. | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Is that fixable? | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | We'd need some "safe" clipboard parent/folder thingy | 00:54 |
| @rizen | that's not fixable | 00:55 |
| @rizen | it's a side effect of the way clipboard is done these days | 00:55 |
| @rizen | the old way was that we moved it to a "clipboard" node | 00:55 |
| @rizen | but in that way, it was impossible to truely "restore" it back to where it was | 00:56 |
| @rizen | so with the asset tree, it's left in place and just marked as clipped | 00:56 |
| @rizen | but that means if it's parent goes away so does it | 00:56 |
| @rizen | which is actually how all operating system filesystems work too | 00:56 |
| @rizen | if you "copy" a file | 00:56 |
| @rizen | and then delete the folder the file belongs to | 00:57 |
| @rizen | and then try to "paste" the file | 00:57 |
| @rizen | you can't do it | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, I'll look to see if we can add something to the docs and then close the bug | 00:57 |
| Radix_ | can't remove the item from the trash? | 00:57 |
| @rizen | huh? | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Radix_: clipboard, not trash | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | although you can't restore from the clipboard either, can you? | 00:58 |
| @rizen | yes you can | 00:58 |
| Radix_ | "She cut something from a page and then deleted the page." | 00:58 |
| Radix_ | so undelete the page, then it would come back, no? | 00:58 |
| @rizen | Admin Console > Clipboard > Restore | 00:59 |
| @rizen | yes, if she were to restore from trash, the page would come back into existence | 00:59 |
| @rizen | but it would no longer be in the clipboard | 00:59 |
| @rizen | it would be out onthe page | 00:59 |
| @rizen | because she performed a "restore" operation to get it back | 00:59 |
| Radix_ | Ahh k.. clipped flag gets reset | 00:59 |
| @rizen | and "restore" republishes | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, I see now | 01:00 |
| @rizen | oh and pd | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | sir? | 01:00 |
| @rizen | if you try to paste an asset back to the page it was already on..it does a restore operation rather than a paste | 01:01 |
| @rizen | because it's more efficient, and more likely what the user intended | 01:01 |
| @rizen | so that's a shortcut to restore | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I also found out that you can restore an asset copied to the clipboard, which duplicates it on the page where it was copied from. | 01:01 |
| @rizen | right | 01:02 |
| @rizen | because the copy operation works like this: | 01:02 |
| @rizen | 1) duplicate | 01:02 |
| @rizen | 2) cut | 01:02 |
| @rizen | therefore even though you didn't see it, for a split second it was on the page | 01:02 |
| @rizen | =) | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like we need a Clipboard, Using help entry | 01:03 |
| @rizen | probably a wiki page rather than a help page | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | why? | 01:04 |
| @rizen | cuz it's more tutorial and less reference | 01:04 |
| @rizen | and the help is a big bloated pile | 01:04 |
| @rizen | already | 01:04 |
| @rizen | and the more shit you keep adding to the help | 01:05 |
| @rizen | the more memory webgui uses | 01:05 |
| @rizen | i'm starting to formulate a plan about it actually | 01:05 |
| @rizen | and that is that the only thing that should go into help | 01:05 |
| @rizen | is stuff that is version specific | 01:05 |
| @rizen | like fields and template variables | 01:05 |
| @rizen | everything else should be linked out to the wiki | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | between hoverHelp and the upcoming template variable manager, maybe we wouldn't even need online help. | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | just a link to the Wiki | 01:07 |
| @rizen | actually, that's a good point | 01:07 |
| @rizen | and it also solves the searchability problem | 01:07 |
| @rizen | cuz the wiki is searchable | 01:07 |
| @rizen | and will be taggable | 01:07 |
| @rizen | and it makes it far easier for translators | 01:08 |
| @rizen | cuz they don't have to translate all the help in order to make a translation for webgui | 01:08 |
| @rizen | just the stuff that matters | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | we wouldn't have any translated docs for wiki entries, though | 01:08 |
| @rizen | it's not like we do now anyway | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 01:09 |
| @rizen | we don't have any real translations | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | really? | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | I've never looked at them | 01:09 |
| @rizen | and on top of that, if someone wants that they can start a wiki on one of the other webgui worldwide sites | 01:09 |
| @rizen | nobody has really translated webgui since 5.x | 01:09 |
| @rizen | the dutch team is supposedly almost finished with a webgui 7 translation | 01:10 |
| @rizen | but i haven't seen it | 01:10 |
| @rizen | the more we can remove from help, the better as a far as webgui's memory usage goes | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:11 |
| @rizen | and like i said, since wiki is searchable, it's better for the user as well | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | is the help->wiki transition scheduled, or just a generic RFE? | 01:11 |
| @rizen | it's just one of my rough ideas | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll stop blowing in more information, except for fields and template variables then. | 01:12 |
| @rizen | it's not officially an rfe or on the scheudle | 01:12 |
| @rizen | but maybe we should do it for 7.4 as we do the template variable translation | 01:12 |
| @rizen | from foo.bar to foo_bar | 01:13 |
| -!- preaction_ [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 01:13 | |
| @rizen | we'll be in there doing major revamp anyway | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | as long as we can cut and paste from the online help to the wiki and it's fast, it shouldn't be too much work | 01:13 |
| @rizen | might as well take care of both | 01:13 |
| @rizen | yup | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | the downside is that I can't write wiki articles | 01:13 |
| @rizen | you can't? | 01:13 |
| @rizen | why not? | 01:14 |
| @rizen | for the same reason as me? | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | not at $dayJob. Old Mozilla doesn't work with YUI tabs | 01:14 |
| @rizen | oh | 01:14 |
| @rizen | that's no bother | 01:14 |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] | 01:14 | |
| -!- preaction_ is now known as preaction | 01:14 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 01:14 | |
| @rizen | i actually can assign a pb staffer to do it | 01:14 |
| @rizen | the copy paste job i mean | 01:14 |
| @rizen | it certainly shouldn't be you doing it | 01:14 |
| @rizen | or me for that matter | 01:14 |
| @rizen | we have more important fish to fry | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | why not? I'm a volunteer. I'm cheap. | 01:15 |
| @preaction | rizen: last i heard, the dutch team had a translation of 7.2.3 | 01:15 |
| @rizen | you're a highly skilled and talented volunteer | 01:15 |
| @rizen | and therefore not cheap | 01:15 |
| @rizen | time is just as valuable as money | 01:15 |
| @preaction | we need to keep you happy, and we can't use money to do it | 01:15 |
| @rizen | and i have a data entry person on staff | 01:15 |
| @rizen | so she can do it | 01:16 |
| @rizen | i just sent her an email about it. she's out sick this week, so i'll get her started on it next week | 01:17 |
| @rizen | pd: the tabs are supposed to degrade gracefully | 01:18 |
| @rizen | what do you see? | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I see all 3 tabs, but I can't flip between them. | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I only get the view tab | 01:18 |
| @rizen | ah. therein lies the problem | 01:19 |
| @rizen | it's not that you don't have css/javascript capability | 01:20 |
| @rizen | it's that you have a crappy implmeentation of both | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Mozilla 1.4 | 01:20 |
| -!- Hinrik_ [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 01:20 | |
| +perlDreamer | as she does the copy and paste, if she lets me know I can start pulling the articles out of the help as well | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | and all links to it | 01:21 |
| @rizen | we can just do that when she's done | 01:23 |
| @rizen | and then the help icon in webgui will just link directly to http://wiki.webgui.org/ | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you know Isaac's last name and company so I can give him credit in the changelog for a bug with patch? | 01:23 |
| @rizen | nope | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | the only thing the help will need to do is do inheritance for fields and template variables. | 01:28 |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@143.sub-75-206-207.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI | 01:30 | |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin: Still looking for help on folder template variables? | 01:32 |
| SDuensin | Yea! | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction and I had a long talk about it this morning | 01:32 |
| * SDuensin has a broken network at the moment. Storms knocked it out. | 01:32 | |
| SDuensin | Oh? | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | menuTitle is not an available template variable in the folder. | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/?op=viewHelp;hid=folder%20template;namespace=Asset_Folder | 01:33 |
| SDuensin | Loding | 01:33 |
| SDuensin | Loading, too. | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | Here's our suggestion | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) File a bug for the missing menuTitle template var. | 01:34 |
| +perlDreamer | that can be fixed quickly | 01:34 |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 01:34 | |
| +perlDreamer | 2) Submit an RFE to review which template vars are provided for each Asset in the folder. | 01:34 |
| SDuensin | Awesome. :-) Thanks! | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | It could do something like a $asset->get(), which would populate all the asset variables | 01:35 |
| SDuensin | I can't even get to my WebGUI install with my net down. :-( | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen can weigh in on the cost/side effects and give us a good permanent solution | 01:35 |
| @rizen | rizen is not here right now. if you would like to leave a message for rizen, leave it after the beep. | 01:36 |
| @rizen | BEEP | 01:36 |
| SDuensin | :-P | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: would rizen have a cow if inside the Folder file_loop it did $asset->get instead of assigning a subset of template variables? | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | it would make the template variables big | 01:36 |
| SDuensin | Big, schmig. RAM is cheap. :-) | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | but potentially very handy | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | Big = Slow = fewer pages/second | 01:37 |
| @rizen | instead? | 01:37 |
| @rizen | care to restate that | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | right now it cherry picks asset variables | 01:37 |
| @rizen | look agai | 01:38 |
| @rizen | again | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | inside the file_loop, there's getId, canView, getIcon, getName, getUrl, etc... | 01:38 |
| @rizen | it cherry picks variable. not variables | 01:38 |
| @rizen | the other things are method calls | 01:38 |
| @rizen | therefore, instead = no | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | in addition to? | 01:39 |
| @rizen | in addition or as a base, sure | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | cool! | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.4-ish or 7.3.12-ish? | 01:39 |
| SDuensin | :-) | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | wait a second | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | this will never work with the template variable editor | 01:40 |
| SDuensin | rizen, I'm expanding the template you gave me into a nice gallery. I want the menuTitle of the images to use as a long description while keeping their filename in the title. | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin: use the synopsis instead | 01:41 |
| @rizen | pd is right | 01:41 |
| SDuensin | That's what I was thinking after reading the help URL you posted, perlDreamer . | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: you're right. | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | the current help system is completely broken | 01:42 |
| SDuensin | Dunno why I couldn't find that help the other night. Looked all over the place. | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | in that case, let's put the brakes on the whole concept of altering folder template variables | 01:43 |
| SDuensin | Yea. Synopsis works for me. | 01:44 |
| * SDuensin wants his net fixed so he can finish the gallery! | 01:44 | |
| * SDuensin is going to eat. Thanks again! | 01:44 | |
| +perlDreamer | That's why they pay me the big bucks | 01:44 |
| SDuensin | heheh | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | besides, it was rizen who put our heads on right | 01:45 |
| @rizen | the folder asset rocks | 01:46 |
| @rizen | that's why we're doing a whole talk on just that at the wuc | 01:46 |
| +perlDreamer | are you covering folder podcasting? | 01:46 |
| @rizen | i don't know exactly what all will be covered | 01:47 |
| @rizen | lots of cool stuff | 01:47 |
| @rizen | steve won't have his outline done until april | 01:49 |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui | 01:57 | |
| +perlDreamer | --bug | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | xtopher has been busy today | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | --bug | 02:04 |
| Radix-wrk | in the asset view, with the More->Revisions option. If you delete those revisions is that for ONLY that object, or all items in that revision history? | 02:13 |
| -!- TheSeparator [i=Seppie@213.51.36.23] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 02:16 | |
| @preaction | just that asset | 02:17 |
| @preaction | it's probably just delete from assetData, <tablename> where revisionDate = ? | 02:17 |
| @preaction | (or similar, not exact) | 02:17 |
| Radix-wrk | that's what I thought, but wanted to make sure - never used it before :) | 02:17 |
| Radix-wrk | just answering a question on the forums | 02:18 |
| Radix-wrk | http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/overwritting-images-in-the-assets-bin | 02:18 |
| @preaction | ah | 02:19 |
| Radix-wrk | wanted to make sure that I was right in my assumptions :) | 02:19 |
| Radix-wrk | If I'm not, I'll blame you now.. it's cool :) | 02:20 |
| Radix-wrk | hehe | 02:20 |
| @preaction | i can be the pariah! | 02:20 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has quit [""""] | 02:45 | |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 04:05 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ | 04:05 | |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has joined #webgui | 04:31 | |
| PedersenMJ | good <insert time of day here> | 04:32 |
| -!- NetForged_Neal [n=Neal@c-24-20-104-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Try something fresh"] | 04:39 | |
| Radix-wrk | yo | 04:49 |
| PedersenMJ | How goes it? | 04:56 |
| @rizen | the first of the three books is done | 04:57 |
| @rizen | 400 pages later | 04:57 |
| @rizen | have some formatting to do, and then it will be available for purchase | 04:57 |
| PedersenMJ | Sweet. Which one is it that's done? | 04:58 |
| @rizen | the content managers guide | 04:58 |
| @rizen | i'm 1/3 of the way through the admins guide | 04:58 |
| PedersenMJ | Hard for me to decide which of those two I'd be more interested in buying. Will buy both, most likely. | 04:59 |
| @rizen | there's also the designer's guide | 04:59 |
| @rizen | but that's going to be the last one out | 05:00 |
| @rizen | lots of code examples to generate for that one | 05:00 |
| @rizen | so it takes the longest | 05:00 |
| @rizen | oh...and don't you have WebGUI Done Right | 05:00 |
| @rizen | ?? | 05:00 |
| @rizen | cuz i think we're going to offer coupons to WDR subscribers to get two of the 4 books we have for free if you have 6mo left on your WDR contract | 05:01 |
| @rizen | don't quote me on that though...cuz it hasn't been decided for sure | 05:02 |
| PedersenMJ | I do have that subscription, yeah. | 05:02 |
| PedersenMJ | That would be cool, since I only got that this past Dec. | 05:02 |
| PedersenMJ | Sorry for my idleness, doing banking tonight (yay. paying bills is fun! :p | 05:03 |
| @preaction | gooeybot, smart questions is http://www.mikeash.com/getting_answers.html or http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 05:27 |
| gooeybot | OK, preaction. | 05:27 |
| +crythias | gooeybot, gerald is fired. | 05:54 |
| gooeybot | OK, crythias. | 05:54 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui | 05:54 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 05:54 | |
| +crythias | gerald? | 05:54 |
| gooeybot | gerald is fired. | 05:54 |
| +perlDreamer | oh dear | 05:54 |
| * PedersenMJ ponders doing the "smart question" version of "who is Gerald?", but realizes he'd spend an awful lot of time on prepping that question, and is just too impatient. So, who is gerald? | 05:55 | |
| +crythias | gooeybot, pi is 3.1415926535 (at least) | 05:55 |
| gooeybot | OK, crythias. | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | gerald == crythias | 05:55 |
| PedersenMJ | Crythias: Am hoping you're not saying you're now jobless? | 05:56 |
| * PedersenMJ is dense, yes. | 05:56 | |
| +perlDreamer | crythias, don't you mean 3.1415926535 +/- 1.0 ? | 05:56 |
| +crythias | oh, no. just relaying rizen's viewpoint. | 05:56 |
| PedersenMJ | gooeybot, perlDreamer is the Indiana State Legislature. | 05:56 |
| gooeybot | ...but perldreamer is bug empowered... | 05:56 |
| +crythias | never ask a question you don't already know the answer to. | 05:56 |
| +crythias | perldreamer: pi is never less than 3, even for very small values of pi. | 05:57 |
| +perlDreamer | now, if only I was bug sponsored... | 05:57 |
| +crythias | now, if only I were more creative in a website... | 05:58 |
| +crythias | design is for pansies. | 05:58 |
| +crythias | erm. oops | 05:58 |
| +crythias | I meant to say, design is for people who have time to make things purty. | 05:59 |
| @rizen | so i just demo'd drupal for the first time | 05:59 |
| +perlDreamer | what did you think? | 05:59 |
| @rizen | and i have to say...it was pretty cool | 05:59 |
| @rizen | someone told me today that drupal was twice as powerful as webgui | 05:59 |
| @rizen | so i had to see for myself | 05:59 |
| +perlDreamer | any lessons we can learn from them? | 05:59 |
| @rizen | if you define power as flexibility...drupal is 1/1000 as powerful as webgui | 05:59 |
| @rizen | if you define power as easy to use then drupal is 1:1 as powerful as webgui | 06:00 |
| @rizen | if you define power as number of features then drupal is 1/100 as powerful as webgui | 06:00 |
| @rizen | BUT | 06:00 |
| +crythias | I love the new cms's coming out : it can do anything you want to do ... as long as you do it. | 06:00 |
| @rizen | if you define power as how quickly you can build your first site without knowing anything, then drupal is 10/1 as powerful as webgui | 06:00 |
| @rizen | which makes me think....we have a weakness | 06:01 |
| @rizen | and it needs to be corrected in 7.4 | 06:01 |
| PedersenMJ | Well, to be fair, JT, with that as your yardstick, raw HTML is about 10/1 as powerful as WebGUI. Unless you count interactivity in that list. | 06:01 |
| +perlDreamer | how do we do that? | 06:02 |
| @rizen | bring back an old idea that i had | 06:02 |
| @rizen | but never implemented | 06:02 |
| @rizen | that is | 06:02 |
| @rizen | at the end of the little startup session (asks you your user/pass/email etc) | 06:03 |
| @rizen | we ask the user if they wish to use the new site guided setup | 06:03 |
| @rizen | if they say yes | 06:03 |
| @rizen | then we lead them through a wizard | 06:03 |
| @rizen | it asks them if they want a contact form | 06:03 |
| @rizen | and if so, we add a page with a dataform asset preconfigured on their site | 06:04 |
| @rizen | it asks them if they want forums...if so we put a message board up with a common list of forums in it | 06:04 |
| @rizen | we ask them more about their organization...they provide a paragraph and a logo | 06:04 |
| @rizen | and we create an about us page | 06:04 |
| @rizen | we also hold on to that logo | 06:04 |
| @rizen | because as part of this process | 06:05 |
| +perlDreamer | like the style wizard on steroids | 06:05 |
| @rizen | we give them a little design wizard | 06:05 |
| @rizen | that will help them either pick a predesigned style | 06:05 |
| @rizen | or make one from scratch | 06:05 |
| @rizen | whatever we decide is easiest | 06:05 |
| @rizen | but when they hit "save" for the last time | 06:05 |
| @rizen | they have a fully built site | 06:05 |
| @rizen | without using the regular webgui UI | 06:06 |
| @rizen | and the key here is, that now that they have something familiar to them | 06:06 |
| @rizen | they'll be able to play around with that | 06:06 |
| @rizen | and learn how the regular ui works | 06:06 |
| @rizen | because editng an existng asset | 06:06 |
| @rizen | is far less scary | 06:06 |
| @rizen | than adding a new one for the first time | 06:06 |
| @rizen | everybody agree with the plan? | 06:07 |
| @rizen | and dissenters? | 06:07 |
| @rizen | any changes or additions? | 06:07 |
| +crythias | gerald? | 06:07 |
| gooeybot | gerald is fired. | 06:07 |
| @rizen | gooeybot forget gerald | 06:07 |
| gooeybot | rizen: I forgot gerald | 06:07 |
| @rizen | now he's not fired anymore | 06:07 |
| +crythias | ok... now'm simply forgotten *sniff* | 06:08 |
| +crythias | :) | 06:08 |
| +crythias | anyway, sure, good idea. | 06:08 |
| @rizen | gooeybot, gerald is faq-o-licious | 06:08 |
| gooeybot | OK, rizen. | 06:08 |
| +crythias | faq me? | 06:08 |
| @rizen | no feedback at all from anybody | 06:09 |
| @rizen | except gerald | 06:09 |
| @rizen | who seems pretty ho-hum about it | 06:09 |
| @rizen | gooeybot, everyone is asleep | 06:10 |
| gooeybot | ...but everyone is supposed to think i'm the jackass that shoots everyone's ideas down... | 06:10 |
| @rizen | goeybot forget everyone | 06:10 |
| @rizen | gooeybot, forget everyone | 06:10 |
| gooeybot | rizen: I forgot everyone | 06:10 |
| @rizen | goeybot, everyone is asleep | 06:10 |
| PedersenMJ | Actually, it *is* a good idea. | 06:10 |
| @rizen | gooeybot, everyone is asleep | 06:11 |
| gooeybot | OK, rizen. | 06:11 |
| +perlDreamer | hang on, preparing to nuke the site from orbit | 06:11 |
| * crythias smiles just like Might Guy of Naruto... | 06:11 | |
| PedersenMJ | Here's my one negative thought about it, though: How is it actually different from what exists right now? | 06:11 |
| @rizen | there's no guided setup to webgui at all right now...you get stuck with a bunch of demo pages that you have no relatonship with | 06:12 |
| +crythias | it allows people to kinda start with "their stuff" rather than "pb's stuff" | 06:12 |
| PedersenMJ | What you actually get right now is a fully functioning website. The only real differences (that I can see from my pov) is that you might add the first few assets for them. | 06:12 |
| @rizen | when the guided setup is over, you'll have a functioning site that is all your content | 06:12 |
| +perlDreamer | well, not all but enough to see where to go from there. | 06:12 |
| @rizen | ok..granted | 06:13 |
| @rizen | but the key here is that it's a siite they can relate to | 06:13 |
| @rizen | not just a bunch of demo content from us | 06:13 |
| +perlDreamer | that's good | 06:13 |
| @rizen | it's got a working style that has their logo in it | 06:13 |
| @rizen | it's got the default pages that they want to have | 06:13 |
| PedersenMJ | Okay, that makes sense. That's the major difference that wasn't clicking for me. | 06:13 |
| @rizen | basically.. the goal is that within 10 minutes | 06:14 |
| @rizen | they should be able to turn on the site and say, hey visitors, look at me, i'm on the web | 06:14 |
| @preaction | can we add an option for a "blank" site as well? that just the import node and the bare minimum of required stuff (and doesnt' create that demo content?) | 06:15 |
| PedersenMJ | Yes, please do! | 06:16 |
| @rizen | i don't think that would be a good idea | 06:16 |
| @preaction | i mean, if we're going that way, may as well go the full nines | 06:16 |
| @rizen | no...that's going the opposite direction | 06:16 |
| @rizen | the only people that will want that are people that already know what they're doing in webgui | 06:16 |
| @rizen | and those people can just as easily delete the existing content | 06:16 |
| @rizen | noob users should never have that option shown to them | 06:17 |
| PedersenMJ | But, it would be nice to be able to have an empty slate right from the start. | 06:17 |
| @rizen | why? | 06:17 |
| @preaction | true, a luser will select it and wonder wtf | 06:17 |
| @rizen | first of all...how fucking lazy are you that you can't spend the 30 seconds to delete the default content | 06:17 |
| PedersenMJ | I work on computers. That right there makes me lazy to some degree. | 06:18 |
| @rizen | and secondly, what does it get you? really...what? | 06:18 |
| PedersenMJ | Nothing other than convenience factor. | 06:18 |
| @rizen | no...what convenience? | 06:18 |
| @rizen | what convenience does it give you? | 06:18 |
| PedersenMJ | The convenience of not having to delete the page layouts and then create new. | 06:18 |
| @rizen | really? are you sure that's what it gives you? | 06:19 |
| @rizen | what it really gives you is extra setup time | 06:19 |
| @rizen | because now you have to create a home page | 06:19 |
| @rizen | and then go into the settings and set it as a home page | 06:19 |
| @rizen | cuz you won't even have a home page under your plan | 06:19 |
| @preaction | the layout itself is there, just no content, no subpages, nothing else, at least that's what i was figuring | 06:19 |
| +perlDreamer | does drupal have a guided installer like this? What makes it easier to do an initial setup | 06:19 |
| PedersenMJ | Unless what is actually installed is just a blank home page. | 06:20 |
| @rizen | drupal has no guided setup...what it has though is no flexibility | 06:20 |
| @rizen | and that's why it's easy to get started | 06:20 |
| Radix-wrk | I have to agree with PedersenMJ - it would be nice to have a blank slate as an option - I think a basic home page with no pictures/articles/etc would be nice. | 06:20 |
| @rizen | let's get it straight: i said no | 06:20 |
| Radix-wrk | Just my 2c | 06:21 |
| @rizen | the whole point of this discussion is to help out noobs | 06:21 |
| @rizen | even having that option available will fuck up noobs | 06:21 |
| @rizen | you can take the 30 seconds to delete the default content | 06:21 |
| PedersenMJ | Actually, it's possible to abuse that option, go through the guided setup, and keep selecting "Nope, don't want that", which will give pretty close to the same result. | 06:21 |
| @rizen | i know you guys have to think about yourself | 06:22 |
| @preaction | PedersenMJ: can't protect against that much stupidity | 06:22 |
| @rizen | but i have to think about the community at large | 06:22 |
| @rizen | and that does not help the community at large | 06:22 |
| @rizen | the number of potential new users is far greater than the number of existing users who are creating a second site | 06:22 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: back to you | 06:23 |
| @rizen | no guided setup | 06:23 |
| @rizen | but due to lack of flexibility | 06:23 |
| @rizen | it's easy to get started | 06:23 |
| PedersenMJ | Nope, not trying to protect against stupidity. Trying to say that, within JT's idea, it's possible to get pretty close to what I was asking for. | 06:23 |
| @rizen | you go to content creation | 06:23 |
| @rizen | and type in the names of the forums you want to create | 06:23 |
| PedersenMJ | So, for me, it works, and I'll let it go at that :) | 06:23 |
| @rizen | you don't get to place them | 06:23 |
| @rizen | you don't get to choose templates | 06:23 |
| @rizen | you just get to pick name | 06:24 |
| @rizen | s | 06:24 |
| @rizen | and whether or not users have to preview or if it's options | 06:24 |
| @rizen | optional | 06:24 |
| Radix-wrk | The full gui editor stuff sounds great, but a simpler option would be to simply have several different styles come with the distribution and an extra step to let them pick the theme (which would update dynamically or something as they looked at each one. | 06:24 |
| @rizen | then you move on to polls and do the same thing | 06:24 |
| @rizen | and finally you move on to site creation | 06:24 |
| @rizen | and there you type what you want to appear in your menus | 06:24 |
| @rizen | and if you want your menu on the left side or the right side | 06:24 |
| @rizen | and pick from these four style templates | 06:25 |
| @rizen | and choose the colors of them | 06:25 |
| @rizen | and upload your logo | 06:25 |
| @rizen | done | 06:25 |
| @rizen | it's not a guided process | 06:25 |
| @rizen | but what it is, is so inflexible..that it might as well be a guided process | 06:25 |
| @rizen | the difference is that webgui will give you the easy guided process at the beginning | 06:26 |
| @rizen | but then once you figure out what you're doing | 06:26 |
| @rizen | it will also give you all the flexibility and power you could hope for | 06:26 |
| @rizen | radix: as stated above, that was one of the options | 06:27 |
| @rizen | design one or pick one | 06:27 |
| PedersenMJ | Suggestion to go with it? Allow them to choose to import one right then? | 06:27 |
| PedersenMJ | They might well have found an existing .wgpkg which gives them the look they want. Let them import it and choose it. | 06:28 |
| @rizen | PedersonMJ: that's a good idea | 06:29 |
| @rizen | probably just point them straight to the contrbs area | 06:29 |
| @rizen | give them a url | 06:29 |
| @rizen | and say...go pick one | 06:29 |
| @rizen | and upload it | 06:29 |
| @rizen | the shitty part about that though is...no way to put their logo into it | 06:29 |
| PedersenMJ | Well, maybe... | 06:30 |
| @rizen | but maybe if they upload one...we just warn them that they have to put their own logo in | 06:30 |
| @rizen | and if they design one they get it put in automatically | 06:30 |
| +perlDreamer | could we have packages that refer to the uploaded logo instead of one included in the package? | 06:30 |
| +perlDreamer | the logo would have to be restricted to certain sizes/aspects... | 06:30 |
| +perlDreamer | eh | 06:30 |
| PedersenMJ | No *guaranteed* way to put it in. But come up with a simple standard: any theme should include a logo.png (or .jpg, or .gif), and *that* file can be replaced? | 06:30 |
| +perlDreamer | we know the name, it just has to referenced via a macro in the package | 06:31 |
| @rizen | we could request that users upload packages that have logo.png as part of it | 06:31 |
| @rizen | and then just replace it | 06:31 |
| @rizen | yeah pederson | 06:31 |
| PedersenMJ | Any package which honors that standard gets an extra special graphic next to it, or somesuch, so that newbies know this one will work for them. | 06:31 |
| Radix-wrk | it'd be nice to have a standard location in the asset tree for themes too actually | 06:32 |
| @rizen | there is one | 06:32 |
| @rizen | it's called the import node | 06:32 |
| @rizen | =) | 06:32 |
| Radix-wrk | the import node is a mess | 06:32 |
| @rizen | the media folder is where you upload all your content images and files | 06:32 |
| +perlDreamer | the logo can have any name, when we upload we'll assign it a URL and refer to it via an assetproxy macro. | 06:32 |
| @rizen | and the import node is for templates and such | 06:32 |
| @rizen | right pd...as long as the theme designers use the strict name...it doesn't matter what the user calls the image...or for that matter even if it's a jpg, png, or gif | 06:33 |
| @rizen | we can convert it | 06:33 |
| PedersenMJ | yeah, perlDreamer, I like that. A macro which spits out the img tag for the logo. Could even use ImageMagick to resize the logo if necessary. | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | PMJ: that macro is the assetproxy macro | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | we ask them for it, upload it, stuff it into an asset with known URL which is used by a special subset of packages | 06:34 |
| PedersenMJ | True. What asset should a theme designer use to reference it? | 06:35 |
| +perlDreamer | /company_logo ? | 06:35 |
| @rizen | radix: i don't disagree that it's a mess...especially if you've gone through a lot of uploads...but i don't know what to do to make it better either | 06:35 |
| +perlDreamer | we can set the standard to be anything which doesn't inconvenience the user | 06:35 |
| Radix-wrk | me neither unfortunately :) | 06:35 |
| Radix-wrk | but I find it hard to find templates these days.. with the large number of folders it might be.. search is the only option | 06:36 |
| @rizen | s/uploads/upgrades/ | 06:36 |
| +perlDreamer | the asset manager search makes the import node acceptable | 06:36 |
| @rizen | yeah...but you have search | 06:36 |
| @rizen | that's the key | 06:36 |
| PedersenMJ | Well, for my own purposes, I use a "Themes" folder where I put my templates and the like, and hang that off of root. | 06:36 |
| @rizen | and you also have the asset interface which allows you to edit/manage the templates | 06:36 |
| @rizen | so you don't have to necessarily know where they are | 06:36 |
| @rizen | i mean on the display tab | 06:37 |
| @rizen | the edit/manage buttons next to each template | 06:37 |
| Radix-wrk | I think styles should be standardized on what PedersenMJ has been doing. images/css/js/etc should all be in one place in one directory in the asset tree | 06:37 |
| Radix-wrk | so if you import a package, you know where it's going to be, and you can delete it if you no longer want it and be assured that it'll all be cleaned up | 06:37 |
| +perlDreamer | we're kind of wandering here, guys. | 06:37 |
| +perlDreamer | Issue #1 is the auto-setup idea | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | If we like it, we can banter implementation later | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | but rizen is asking whether we think it's good or not, not how to do it. | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | we can tell him that later :) | 06:38 |
| @rizen | first: do we agree that this is even a problem? | 06:38 |
| PedersenMJ | Definitely wandering, definitely. Sorry about that. Is the idea good? Absolutely. | 06:38 |
| @rizen | the setup time | 06:38 |
| PedersenMJ | Is it a problem? Allow me to say "hell yes!" | 06:38 |
| @rizen | the where do i get started factor | 06:38 |
| Radix-wrk | Yes, I think it is | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Ask Kristi | 06:39 |
| @rizen | second: do we agree that my solution addresses that problem? | 06:39 |
| @rizen | third: are there any ideas to improve the user level process of my idea? | 06:39 |
| @rizen | how the wizard should work for the user | 06:39 |
| PedersenMJ | It will address it to a point. It *will* get people started more easily. The one failing that can still occur is the sheer size/felxibility of WebGUI. People could still balk, and I have no idea how to counter that. | 06:40 |
| @rizen | the only way i can think of to counter that is to either scale back webgui, or hide it from them...and either way..that hurts webgui | 06:40 |
| @rizen | webgui is a monster | 06:40 |
| @rizen | people should know that it's a monster | 06:41 |
| @rizen | but they should also know that the monster is tamable | 06:41 |
| +perlDreamer | Maybe Gooey should be frowning? | 06:41 |
| @rizen | pd: you were just talking about getting off topic | 06:42 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry | 06:42 |
| Radix-wrk | second: yup, sounds great | 06:42 |
| +perlDreamer | We all agree that wG is big, and that makes it hard to setup. | 06:42 |
| +perlDreamer | If we help them set it up, what do we do from there? | 06:42 |
| +perlDreamer | books, wikis, IRC, discussion boards....? | 06:43 |
| Radix-wrk | third: ning.com has some nice ideas for how they set up their stuff, neat little ajax drag'n'drop kinda interface and custom colours. Might be worth a gander. | 06:43 |
| @rizen | in the next few months we're going to have reams of documentation, and training options coming out of our ears. it's up to the community to provide free docs...the best we as developers can do is provide friendly tools to users | 06:44 |
| Radix-wrk | I found that decent.. trick is to make it not too long that it's impossible go through in one setting, and not too short that you don't feel like you had much say in it. | 06:44 |
| PedersenMJ | Hey, here's a truly stupid thought: Why aren't there links to plainblack support pages anywhere in (for instance) the admin console? | 06:44 |
| @rizen | we put the advertising in the demo content | 06:44 |
| @rizen | and as far as the actual support boards, etc...not everyone has access to that stuff | 06:45 |
| PedersenMJ | Yes. But, for instance, why isn't there a link to wiki.webgui.org somewhere visible in a post-installation page, after all demo content would be removed? | 06:46 |
| @rizen | there will be | 06:46 |
| @rizen | in 7.4 the help icon is going to take you to wiki | 06:46 |
| @rizen | no more help in 7.4 | 06:47 |
| PedersenMJ | That's what I meant when I asked about a support page link the admin console | 06:47 |
| @rizen | radix: just tried out ning.com | 06:50 |
| @rizen | yes something like that | 06:50 |
| @rizen | ok...sounds like we're in agreement | 06:55 |
| @rizen | oh...and pd..we can't get rid of the help unless we can build the template builder | 06:55 |
| @rizen | which i'm still not 100% sure how to do | 06:55 |
| @rizen | i'm a little scared about that | 06:55 |
| @rizen | ok well, i'm gone for the night. thanks for the feedback guys...much appreciated | 06:59 |
| * rizen out | 06:59 | |
| Radix-wrk | caio | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought for the template builder that we gutted RTE and added a pop-up form for adding template variables. | 07:16 |
| PedersenMJ | Oooh, there's something: Any chance that the list of macros is accessible from with webgui? Basically, add a popup form that shows a list of macros, too. | 07:17 |
| +perlDreamer | isn't there an RFE for that? | 07:23 |
| +perlDreamer | on the RTE, which isn't available in the template editor now, but in other places the ^#; button will bring up a subset of macros. I think. | 07:24 |
| PedersenMJ | Ah, didn't even look for an rfe for that. My bad. | 07:25 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe you should talk with someone who has commit access about implementing that particular RFE for 7.4 :) | 07:26 |
| PedersenMJ | Heh. My idea for it is bigger than just a popup form. With all the info that is available in the online help (and which I assume will continue to be available in the wiki when 7.4 comes out), it should be possible to provide an "IDE" for the macros. | 07:29 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a pretty big idea | 07:29 |
| +perlDreamer | much bigger than populating the current macro selector with the current set of configured macros | 07:29 |
| PedersenMJ | Not a full IDE, mind you. Just something that will provide the template and help for a given macro. | 07:30 |
| +perlDreamer | the current macro editor does a subset of that, it inserts a sample usage for each macro selected | 07:31 |
| PedersenMJ | That's cool. I just haven't gotten to that point yet in my explorations of webgui. | 07:32 |
| +perlDreamer | but it doesn't link to the help yet, and it doesn't show the complete, possible usage of the macro | 07:32 |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has quit [] | 07:49 | |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] | 08:17 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."] | 08:41 | |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@194.171.50.114] has joined #webgui | 09:00 | |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@194.171.50.114] has quit ["leaving"] | 09:35 | |
| -!- Hinrik_ is now known as Hinrik | 09:37 | |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@194.171.50.114] has joined #webgui | 09:42 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] | 09:53 | |
| pjesi | 4x XEON dual core 3.2ghz and yet WebGUI crushing at 4 in load | 10:01 |
| -!- pjesi [n=pjesi@client-82-20-29-208.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 10:22 | |
| -!- SDuensin_ [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI | 11:52 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@143.sub-75-206-207.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] | 11:54 | |
| -!- wgGuest62 [n=wgGuest6@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] has joined #webgui | 13:28 | |
| wgGuest62 | hey | 13:30 |
| -!- TheSeparator [i=Seppie@cp43027-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has joined #webgui | 13:38 | |
| wgGuest62 | is there a way (a macro?) to get the URL of the current user's profile? | 13:38 |
| wgGuest62 | ah trought the User iD macro I guess | 13:41 |
| -!- SDuensin_ [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 14:09 | |
| -!- wgGuest62 [n=wgGuest6@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] has quit [] | 14:37 | |
| -!- Hinrik_ [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 15:24 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 15:39 | |
| -!- Hinrik_ is now known as Hinrik | 15:39 | |
| -!- Hinrik_ [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 15:49 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] | 15:52 | |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@194.171.50.114] has joined #webgui | 16:12 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ | 16:12 | |
| ckotil | I need some guidance on my group structure | 17:18 |
| ckotil | nvm. ive got it figured out. | 17:27 |
| ckotil | i needed it setup so that my engineers can view and edit all of our internal documents, and then at the same time allow our customers to view the documents for their particular network. | 17:28 |
| ckotil | so i create a group for each network and set that to view. and set the able to edit option to group engineers | 17:28 |
| -!- Hinrik_ is now known as Hinrik | 18:26 | |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@194.171.50.114] has quit ["Xirc - MacOSX"] | 18:30 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has joined #webgui | 18:34 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 18:34 | |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@194.171.50.114] has left #webgui [] | 18:36 | |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: are you here!!! | 18:49 |
| @rizen | ??? | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm here, I'm there, I'm everywhere | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | so beware | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I gotta find the source for that quote | 18:52 |
| ckotil | beatles | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Like Ringo and Paul? | 19:03 |
| ckotil | yah, 'here, there and everywhere' | 19:04 |
| ckotil | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f5d_1172741350 squirrel catapult | 19:07 |
| ckotil | using that import script i creatd 900+ workflows..... | 19:07 |
| ckotil | its gonna take about an hour to cook them all out | 19:07 |
| ckotil | and i didnt even grab the content :/ | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | oy | 19:11 |
| * perlDreamer hopes for a telnetd attack today | 19:12 | |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] | 19:25 | |
| ckotil | i have this pending version tag, and when i run spectre --status, it shows the workflow as waiting. but in the show running workflow screen, the workflow is shown as error. | 19:44 |
| ckotil | not really a bug. | 19:44 |
| ckotil | just wierd. | 19:44 |
| ckotil | hell yeah. the links even work for the faq o matic entries that are now article assets and page layouts | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | snapcount_ is good | 21:01 |
| snapcount_ | eh? | 21:01 |
| snapcount_ | I thought I was bad | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | bad is good | 21:02 |
| snapcount_ | oh | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil likes the import script | 21:02 |
| snapcount_ | ahh | 21:02 |
| snapcount_ | I think the one he's using has been passed around a few times | 21:02 |
| snapcount_ | JT modified it | 21:02 |
| snapcount_ | then I modified it to not create 1500 copies of each image and file asset =) | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | that's good | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | we keep getting more of those undef Asset bugs | 21:46 |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@c5375184f.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #webgui | 21:55 | |
| -!- rjacobsen [n=rjacobse@74-129-192-43.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #webgui | 21:56 | |
| +perlDreamer | what is this Dutch obsession with hair and appearance? | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | HairGrease, Dapper? | 21:58 |
| rjacobsen | quick question about webgui - is there a macro that will show a product price? and how would i type the macro (ie. ^Product(101,price) )... that one is not working so i need to know how to get the price of a product on my site with this macro and how it should be typed | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | The product macro is what you want to use. Be sure that you're giving it proper arguments. | 21:59 |
| rjacobsen | thats my problem - not sure the correct way to insert the arguments | 21:59 |
| rjacobsen | like ^Product(101, ?) | 21:59 |
| +perlDreamer | the online help will tell you what you need to know | 21:59 |
| +perlDreamer | become admin | 22:00 |
| +perlDreamer | turn admin on | 22:00 |
| +perlDreamer | go to the admin bar | 22:00 |
| +perlDreamer | select admin console | 22:00 |
| +perlDreamer | choose the help icon | 22:00 |
| +perlDreamer | select the macro tab | 22:00 |
| rjacobsen | does "price" go where the ? is? | 22:00 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 22:00 |
| rjacobsen | i see variant.price | 22:00 |
| +perlDreamer | that is a template variable | 22:00 |
| rjacobsen | but dont know where to insert it | 22:00 |
| +perlDreamer | not a macro argument | 22:00 |
| +perlDreamer | your product is configured to use a template to display it | 22:01 |
| rjacobsen | right | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | that's where you'd use the variant.price variable | 22:01 |
| rjacobsen | i just want to be able to call just the price of the particular product | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | you'd have to create a custom template to do that | 22:01 |
| * perlDreamer heads to lunch | 22:01 | |
| +perlDreamer | namaste | 22:01 |
| rjacobsen | let me explain | 22:01 |
| rjacobsen | i have a page on a shopping cart form that is thru paypal - instead of putting in a hardcoded price in the value, i want to put in a product/price macro that will put the price in for a particular product without having to change the code all the time | 22:03 |
| rjacobsen | so when i change the product price on the product page it will dynamically change the price in the form via the macro | 22:03 |
| rjacobsen | am i makin any sense>? | 22:04 |
| ckotil | yeah that will be possible. | 22:06 |
| @preaction | so you make a template that has one thing: "<tmpl_var variant.price>", and use that template's ID in your product macro | 22:06 |
| ckotil | might have to write acustom macro | 22:06 |
| dapperedodo | You create a template for the product macro with only the <tmpl_var variant.price> in it. Then use the product macro with that template | 22:06 |
| @preaction | great minds think alike | 22:06 |
| dapperedodo | :) | 22:07 |
| rjacobsen | im real stupid when it comes to macros sorry - can u pls explain a little more? | 22:07 |
| dapperedodo | OH, and for perlDreamer: Dapper means brave in Dutch, nothing with appearance | 22:07 |
| rjacobsen | i know how to use them...... but makin em is difficult | 22:08 |
| @preaction | rjacobsen: you dont have to make one. the second argument to ^Product(productId, templateId); allows you to add an arbitrary template for the product | 22:08 |
| rjacobsen | ok so where do i make that template? | 22:08 |
| @preaction | where ever, you just need the ID | 22:09 |
| rjacobsen | the in the product category? | 22:09 |
| rjacobsen | and the ID is the url? | 22:09 |
| @preaction | it doesn't even need a namespace | 22:09 |
| @preaction | no the ID is the ID | 22:09 |
| @preaction | it's the first item on the edit form after you've created it | 22:09 |
| rjacobsen | so i open the product category and click template (for new template) and name that? | 22:10 |
| @preaction | or put the template in the import node, whatevz | 22:10 |
| rjacobsen | i just dont see an ID slot..... i see Title, Menu Title, URL, Namespace | 22:12 |
| rjacobsen | am i missing something? | 22:12 |
| @preaction | you dont get to choose an ID, I said "after you've created it" | 22:13 |
| rjacobsen | sorry | 22:13 |
| @preaction | once it's created, edit it again, and the first item will be "Asset ID" or something similar | 22:13 |
| @preaction | it'll be a seemingly random series of 22 characters | 22:13 |
| @preaction | (random being the idea, so that there's no collision) | 22:13 |
| rjacobsen | AHHHHH | 22:14 |
| rjacobsen | i see | 22:14 |
| rjacobsen | so i put that in the templateID | 22:14 |
| @preaction | so ^Product("sku","templateId"); | 22:14 |
| rjacobsen | so it would be ^Product(101, C4AYMcRfVHkgxuGJGFsntQ); | 22:14 |
| @preaction | probably want to use quotes, but yes | 22:14 |
| rjacobsen | i mean ^Product("101","C4AYMcRfVHkgxuGJGFsntQ"); | 22:14 |
| rjacobsen | now i can call this into a script you think? | 22:15 |
| @preaction | perlbot tias | 22:16 |
| perlbot | Try It And See: the best way to learn if something works. | 22:16 |
| rjacobsen | ill let ya know thanx VERY much for your help | 22:16 |
| rjacobsen | and THANKYOU for fixin the import packages | 22:16 |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@c5375184f.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["Xirc - MacOSX"] | 22:18 | |
| @preaction | that was all pd | 22:18 |
| @preaction | he gets paid so well that he can work on wG for free, the git | 22:19 |
| rjacobsen | i cant get this to work :( | 22:21 |
| rjacobsen | the form code is in the body tag of the page.... and it wont let me pull in the macro | 22:22 |
| rjacobsen | wierd | 22:22 |
| rjacobsen | i try <input type="hidden" name="amount" value=^Product("103","C4AYMcRfVHkgxuGJGFsntQ");> and <input type="hidden" name="amount" value='^Product("103","C4AYMcRfVHkgxuGJGFsntQ");'> and still nothing | 22:22 |
| rjacobsen | when it is called it shows nothing | 22:23 |
| rjacobsen | paypal keeps saying please enter a number greater than 0 | 22:23 |
| @preaction | are you sure it's supposed to be "variant.amount" and not something else? make sure the macro is working by putting a field you know work, like the sku or something | 22:24 |
| rjacobsen | im not sure how to test it as it goes to the paypal site | 22:25 |
| rjacobsen | this is what inputs into paypal the price of the product | 22:25 |
| @preaction | make an article that mimics the behavior? or maybe an article that just tries the macro? | 22:25 |
| rjacobsen | ok | 22:26 |
| rjacobsen | the macro isnt working | 22:30 |
| rjacobsen | because i tried ^Page("title"); and it showed up fine in the article as the page title.... but the ^Product("103","C4AYMcRfVHkgxuGJGFsntQ"); just shows the code | 22:31 |
| @preaction | product macro not enabled on your site? it isn't by default | 22:31 |
| rjacobsen | it may not be then | 22:32 |
| rjacobsen | how do i enable it? | 22:32 |
| @preaction | add it to the configuration file | 22:32 |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@c5375184f.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #webgui | 22:32 | |
| @preaction | data/WebGUI/etc/yoursite.conf | 22:32 |
| rjacobsen | just add the ^Product("sku","templateID"); to it? | 22:33 |
| @preaction | look in the configuration file, there's a section devoted to Macros, you should be able to see how to add one | 22:35 |
| rjacobsen | that is awesome thank you | 22:41 |
| rjacobsen | ok i enabled the product macro and started out by simply putting in ^Product("101"); and it says cannot find product even though there is a product 101 | 23:00 |
| dapperedodo | Did you define the product in the commerce module? | 23:03 |
| rjacobsen | how do i do that? | 23:05 |
| dapperedodo | go to the admin console - click 'Products' | 23:05 |
| rjacobsen | ok there is none listed - wierd | 23:06 |
| rjacobsen | but i have like 20 product pages | 23:06 |
| dapperedodo | Ah, the product wobject is not connected to the commerce module | 23:06 |
| rjacobsen | damm | 23:06 |
| rjacobsen | so how can i make this work? | 23:06 |
| dapperedodo | The product wobject was developed a long time ago | 23:06 |
| dapperedodo | add the products also in the Products | 23:07 |
| rjacobsen | ok | 23:07 |
| dapperedodo | and it will work | 23:07 |
| rjacobsen | ty | 23:07 |
| dapperedodo | It is a little more work | 23:07 |
| rjacobsen | one more question | 23:09 |
| rjacobsen | the current template i created for my product page layout - can i use it for the products in the commerce? | 23:10 |
| rjacobsen | if so i can make it totally dynamic | 23:10 |
| dapperedodo | They are not connected (yet???), but you can try to merge them | 23:18 |
| dapperedodo | The commerce product has no options for extra features and so | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | apologies, dapperedodo | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | But in English your nick is a well groomed extinct bird | 23:20 |
| dapperedodo | I just looked in the dictionary | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | As long as we know that it's the Dutch MySQL powerhouse behind the name, you can call yourself anything you like. | 23:20 |
| dapperedodo | I am fine with it | 23:20 |
| dapperedodo | :) | 23:21 |
| +perlDreamer | So you and your team were spun out from Procolix into an independent business? | 23:21 |
| dapperedodo | yes that's right | 23:22 |
| dapperedodo | We do the hard programming stuf | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | Is that going well? | 23:22 |
| dapperedodo | ProcoliX does the hosting stuf | 23:22 |
| dapperedodo | It is going very well | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 23:22 |
| dapperedodo | Programming is much more fun then Hosting | 23:22 |
| rjacobsen | why when i click on the commerce button in the admin console does it just bring me back to the website page i was working on? it does not open any editing options for commerce | 23:22 |
| dapperedodo | and people want to pay for both, so we are both in business | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Oh, so you still work with procolix | 23:23 |
| dapperedodo | Yes, we are a great team, only the business split | 23:24 |
| dapperedodo | clicking the commerce button should get you the commerce settings | 23:24 |
| rjacobsen | it doesnt sir | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | rjacobsen, what's in your webgui.log file? | 23:25 |
| rjacobsen | it just brings me back to the web page i was working on before i opened the admin console | 23:25 |
| dapperedodo | I'm off now, see you later | 23:26 |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@c5375184f.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["Xirc - MacOSX"] | 23:26 | |
| rjacobsen | what site is that i use to copy and paste again? to show you the error log? | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | gooeybot: paste? | 23:27 |
| gooeybot | somebody said paste was http://paste.biz | 23:27 |
| rjacobsen | http://paste.biz/paste-775.html | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | rjacobsen: I need to ask you some questions | 23:29 |
| +perlDreamer | do you host your own server? | 23:30 |
| rjacobsen | yes we do | 23:30 |
| rjacobsen | linux | 23:30 |
| rjacobsen | fadora | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | you have shell access? | 23:30 |
| rjacobsen | yes we do - or my boss does anyhow | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | have you customized WebGUI? | 23:30 |
| rjacobsen | do you want to talk to him? | 23:30 |
| rjacobsen | yes we have quite a bit | 23:30 |
| rjacobsen | but not much with the base code that i know of | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | what version of wG are you running? | 23:31 |
| rjacobsen | second - let me get my boss in the irc channel | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | you're probably missing the Locale::US perl module | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | but there are ways to test that | 23:32 |
| -!- dwalisser [n=dwalisse@74-129-192-43.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #webgui | 23:36 | |
| rjacobsen | ok sir | 23:36 |
| rjacobsen | dwallisser is my boss and has shell access to webgui | 23:36 |
| +perlDreamer | dwalisser, what version of WebGUI are you running? | 23:37 |
| dwalisser | 7.3.10 | 23:37 |
| rjacobsen | correction | 23:37 |
| rjacobsen | 7.3.11 | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I would like you to run the testEnvironment script in the sbin directory | 23:37 |
| dwalisser | ah, 7.3.11, needed to refresh | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | be sure to use the switch to just print out a report | 23:38 |
| dwalisser | ok | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | perl testEnvironment.pl --simpleReport | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm guessing that you're missing a module, but this will tell us | 23:38 |
| dwalisser | It says HTML::Template outdated, Text::Aspell not installed, Locale::US not installed | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | you need to install Locale::US | 23:40 |
| dwalisser | ok | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | once you do that, you should be golden | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | and do update HTML::Template, the newer version fixes some long standing bugs with template variables that you will eventually run into | 23:41 |
| dwalisser | ok, done. thanks for your help | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | no problem. | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | rjacobsen is a hard worker and coming up to speed well. | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI has a steep learning curve | 23:44 |
| rjacobsen | i really appreciate all your help | 23:46 |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 23:47 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ | 23:47 | |
| +perlDreamer | You're welcome. Just remember that we've all been where you have been and hang in there. | 23:47 |
| rjacobsen | this seems to fix the problem - although when i put in ^Product("103","C4AYMcRfVHkgxuGJGFsntQ"); i get nothing | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | and if you have a chance, answer a question on the boards, post a wiki article or add a contrib. | 23:47 |
| rjacobsen | and i know i put the product in | 23:47 |
| rjacobsen | i can put in ^Product("103"); and it shows the product..... but i use ^Product("103","C4AYMcRfVHkgxuGJGFsntQ"); - which should show the product price only - it does not | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | then you have a template problem | 23:48 |
| rjacobsen | the C4AYMcRfVHkgxuGJGFsntQ is the asset ID to the template i made with <tmpl_var variant.price> | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | variant.price only exists inside of the variantLoop | 23:50 |
| rjacobsen | ok | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | just nest it in a loop, and only have 1 variant | 23:50 |
| rjacobsen | let me explain what i am trying to do sir | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | You need to put this in a form to paypal | 23:50 |
| rjacobsen | yes | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | (I was lurking earlier) | 23:50 |
| rjacobsen | and send only the price | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | if your product only has 1 variant, then there will only be 1 price | 23:51 |
| rjacobsen | so how would i write the code on the template page? | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | <tmpl_loop variantLoop><tmpl_var variant.price></tmpl_loop> | 23:51 |
| rjacobsen | ahhhh | 23:51 |
| rjacobsen | let me try that | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | may I make a suggestion? | 23:52 |
| rjacobsen | brb | 23:52 |
| rjacobsen | sure sir | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | take 30 minutes, and read through some of the online wG docs | 23:52 |
| rjacobsen | i have already | 23:52 |
| rjacobsen | a lot | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | all right | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | because knowing HTML::Template well is pretty important for getting stuff to work | 23:52 |
| rjacobsen | where can i find the read info on that? you have a url? | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | ?op=viewHelp;hid=template%20language;namespace=Asset_Template | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | use that op on your site | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | kidscorner.us.com?op=..... | 23:54 |
| rjacobsen | ok | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: I need a bug consult. Do you have 10 minutes? | 23:56 |
| @preaction | yo | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | read this first: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/clipboard-to-trash#_ih716rkIGoJIKR1-geK-g | 23:58 |
| -!- snapcount_ [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 23:58 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 23:59 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ | 23:59 | |
| +perlDreamer | I think we can handle this one of 3 ways | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) Return an error saying that you can't delete uncommitted assets. | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) Delete it anyway, leaving the user with an empty, uncommitted version tag | 23:59 |
| --- Day changed Sat Mar 03 2007 | ||
| +perlDreamer | 3) Don't do anything | 00:00 |
| @preaction | with the addition of "enter the revision and remove the revision of this asset manually" | 00:00 |
| rjacobsen | thank you for all your help and sorry if i sound like an idiot here - just tryin to do my job well and make this thing work very well...... before my introduction to webgui i used php-nuke and a LOT of html/database code..... so this is a whole new world........ but i do appreciate the help | 00:00 |
| @preaction | i think for now it'd be better to do 1) with instructions on how to continue, with the future being 2) once tmrfe gets involved | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, I'll punt until we get tmrfe'd | 00:01 |
| @preaction | wait, the Admin is trying to remove from the system clipboard? | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes | 00:01 |
| @preaction | they should be allowed to do that imho | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I think so too, but what about the empty version tag? | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | isn't that bad juju? | 00:02 |
| @preaction | maybe empty trash should detect newly empty version tags and delete them | 00:02 |
| @preaction | in fact, imho, empty version tags should never exist | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | it sounds bad. | 00:02 |
| @preaction | to delete them? or to allow them? | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | to create empty ones via anymethod | 00:03 |
| @preaction | creating a version tag should be a result of another method | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm pretty sure the TrashClipboard workflow activity has this same bug, btw | 00:03 |
| @preaction | addRevision or addChild | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | it is, but they're never automatically destroyed when emptied | 00:03 |
| @preaction | do you think they should be? i do | 00:03 |
| @preaction | an empty version tag is useless | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I agree with you, preaction | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | You're preachin' to the choir | 00:04 |
| @preaction | sounds like something for the dev list | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | The dev list? That's dead :) | 00:04 |
| @preaction | it's not dead so much as we haven't had anything to put there | 00:04 |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 00:04 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 00:04 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ | 00:04 | |
| @preaction | since when JT hangs out here, he's The Final Word | 00:04 |
| @preaction | which negates the necessity for discussion | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | or immediate presence in IRC | 00:05 |
| @preaction | i can't think of any need for a version tag that has nothing in it yet, except when you do WebGUI::VersionTag->getWorking (which creates a tag to prepare for you to do a bunch of stuff under it, if there is no tag already) | 00:07 |
| @preaction | so we can't just remove them willy-nilly | 00:07 |
| @preaction | i think probably as each asset in the trash is deleted, check the tagId and see if we can delete the version tag as well | 00:08 |
| @preaction | that way, too, in the system manage version tags, tags from long ago that have since had all their assets deleted will not show up | 00:09 |
| @preaction | i dunno, i'm over my head now | 00:09 |
| rjacobsen | how can i add/remove stuff from the admin bar on the left side of the screen for users i do not want to see certain things and users i want to see more? example: secondary admin can see "products" but testuser(content manager) can not | 00:15 |
| rjacobsen | is there a way? | 00:15 |
| @preaction | uiLevels | 00:16 |
| rjacobsen | do what? lol | 00:17 |
| @preaction | ask? | 00:17 |
| gooeybot | ask is Don't ask to ask, just ask. Don't repeat. If nobody answers, it probably means nobody knows. While you wait: Check the fine manual, check google, check the source, try different things on a demo site. | 00:17 |
| @preaction | smart questions? | 00:17 |
| gooeybot | smart questions is http://www.mikeash.com/getting_answers.html or http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 00:17 |
| @preaction | there's the one | 00:17 |
| @preaction | uiLevels are documented, the way you'll probably want to implement them is in the configuration file | 00:18 |
| dwalisser | can the config file override the ui level hard-coded in the wobject? | 00:22 |
| @preaction | yes it does | 00:22 |
| dwalisser | ah | 00:22 |
| @preaction | you can also override which groups are allowed to add which types of assets in the config file | 00:23 |
| dwalisser | has anyone written a clever script that would allow me to setup one site config file the way I want and copy it to all the others (I have 15 that I want to be identical) | 00:26 |
| dwalisser | the difference being the db user/password and dsn only | 00:27 |
| dwalisser | oh and the sitename | 00:27 |
| dwalisser | ah and the uploadsPath | 00:27 |
| dwalisser | I think that covers it | 00:27 |
| @preaction | the config files are JSON, so write your own. jsonToObj gives you a perl data structure, objToJson puts it back | 00:27 |
| dwalisser | sounds like a simple script then | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | dwalisser, that's kind of what the WRE does | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it has a template for all new sites it creates | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | config files, etc. | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | alter the template, and you should be done. | 00:30 |
| dwalisser | yes, I've been using that "WebGUI.conf.original", downside is it is overwritten every time I upgrade | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | make a small SVN repository and check it in. | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | after the upgrade, do a merge | 00:31 |
| @preaction | or keep a diff, and run the patch | 00:31 |
| dwalisser | yeah | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | man, preaction, we know this WebGUI stuff pretty well. Maybe we should look into doing it as more than a hobby. | 00:35 |
| @preaction | no crap, maybe we should be getting paid for this | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | how's the hacking coming? | 00:39 |
| @preaction | not so bad | 00:39 |
| @preaction | is it just me, or is it impossible to get a truly deep structure out of the WebGUI::Config interface | 00:40 |
| @preaction | example: workflow activities are a hash of array refs | 00:40 |
| @preaction | i suppose the interface is returning references, so i can work with that | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I think this is going to be the highest subrev of wG ever | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | .12 | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | and we're not done yet | 00:41 |
| @preaction | i think we'll be going further than that before 7.4 | 00:41 |
| @preaction | but i also think it's very good that we're doing so | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | me, too | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | a very stable wG will make all of our lives easier | 00:42 |
| @preaction | webgui has a lot of features, and people are clamoring for more, but bugs and a stable maintainable code base are far more important for the future | 00:42 |
| @preaction | i should RFE for "update skeletons to conform to WebGUI Best Practices" | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you ever wonder about the features people _don't_ clamor for? | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Could they be removed? | 00:43 |
| @preaction | such as the guided setup? | 00:43 |
| @preaction | or i18n? | 00:43 |
| gooeybot | i guess i18n is overwritten each upgrade | 00:43 |
| @preaction | i18n is a mixed bag, it's the reason some people choose webgui, but it's also just cruft for a lot of people | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | they really want i18n content and UI | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | but we only do half that | 00:43 |
| @preaction | well, the UI we have control over, the content they have control over, make a section for each translation | 00:44 |
| @preaction | i mean, if they want multiple languages, they're going to have to do something | 00:45 |
| @preaction | if a scheduled workflow activity isSerial but is not a singleton, that means i can queue up multiple activities that will all run one at a time, correct? | 00:56 |
| @preaction | i mean, it's what the docs say | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | that sounds right to me | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | have a look at Session.pm, line 638 | 01:06 |
| -!- dwalisser [n=dwalisse@74-129-192-43.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit ["User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby"] | 01:06 | |
| @preaction | WebGUI::Session? | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:07 |
| @preaction | 1;? | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | $self->var("adminOn") | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | var->get("adminOn") or var->isAdminOn | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I've been trying to fix xtopher's dbSlave bug | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | it's weird | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | that line is a bug, but it won't generate a DBI level connect error | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | he says that the slave connections are all okay | 01:09 |
| @preaction | you sure it's session.pm? not db.pm? | 01:11 |
| @preaction | dbSlave, i see | 01:12 |
| @preaction | wrong line | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | brb | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | back | 01:19 |
| @preaction | it tries to connect to all three, that's probably bad | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | also, it tries to connect even if it is in adminMode and is going to use the main server anyway | 01:20 |
| @preaction | it's possible that when it tries to connect the second and third time, it negates the other connections, and then it randomly selects one of the negated connections | 01:20 |
| @preaction | though i don't see how, but whatevz | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | he's getting a connect error, during connection creation | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I guess the way it's implemented now, it sprays across the servers during a page view, as opposed to randomly choosing a slave for an entire page view | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I think the second would be safer | 01:23 |
| @preaction | might even be faster | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | like 3X faster | 01:24 |
| @preaction | where IS jt today? wonder what he's going to do about frank snaking my weekend | 01:26 |
| @preaction | i was supposed to go down to madison to play Supreme Commander in a little LAN party | 01:26 |
| @preaction | the git | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | JT took the day off | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | said something about setting up a LAN party to play SupCom with out of town guests or something | 01:49 |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 02:14 | |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 02:17 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ | 02:17 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] | 02:35 | |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 02:37 | |
| -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Hinrik, gooeybot, Radix_ | 03:43 | |
| -!- Netsplit over, joins: Hinrik, gooeybot, Radix_ | 03:44 | |
| -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Radix_ | 03:44 | |
| -!- Netsplit over, joins: Radix_ | 03:44 | |
| -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui | 04:52 | |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 04:52 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ | 04:52 | |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] | 04:53 | |
| -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 05:12 | |
| -!- TheSeparator [i=Seppie@cp43027-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 05:20 | |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has joined #webgui | 05:57 | |
| PedersenMJ | Good evening. | 05:57 |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI | 06:04 | |
| @preaction | possible good idea: a Dumb Container wobject to make wG dev easier. You could simply make a definition for a "Address Book Item" asset, sub-class the Dumb Container wobject to simply tell it that it should contain "Address Book Item" assets, and you have an application (in this case, an Address Book) | 07:06 |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 07:16 | |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@c5375184f.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #webgui | 07:52 | |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@c5375184f.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Client Quit] | 07:57 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 08:32 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI | 08:32 | |
| -!- wgGuest41 [n=wgGuest4@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] has joined #webgui | 16:17 | |
| wgGuest41 | hi all | 16:17 |
| wgGuest41 | Do you know which session timeout setting has plainblack.com? I need to find a compromise between usability and security | 16:18 |
| -!- wgGuest41 [n=wgGuest4@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] has quit [] | 17:38 | |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has joined #webgui | 18:19 | |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has quit [Client Quit] | 18:19 | |
| -!- wgGuest74 [n=wgGuest7@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] has joined #webgui | 19:01 | |
| wgGuest74 | hi | 19:01 |
| gooeybot | bonjour, wgGuest74 | 19:01 |
| wgGuest74 | thanks :) | 19:01 |
| wgGuest74 | I disconnected before | 19:01 |
| wgGuest74 | did you read my session timeout question? :) | 19:02 |
| -!- snapcount_ [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 19:31 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] | 19:31 | |
| -!- wgGuest74 [n=wgGuest7@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] has quit [] | 20:12 | |
| --- Day changed Sun Mar 04 2007 | ||
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui | 00:07 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 00:07 | |
| +perlDreamer | the deadline has passed | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | we should change the title | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | the pressure is now on snapcount_ and the other PB staff, who must wade through the dozens of | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | wiki entries submitted by the community | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | or the dozens of pages submitted by PedersenMJ for his one entry | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | in any case, all of WebGUI-dom waits, breathlessly to see who will win the | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | latest installment of this contest. | 00:18 |
| -!- Hinrik_ [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 00:36 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 00:51 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."] | 00:54 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 01:36 | |
| -!- Hinrik_ [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] | 01:41 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui | 04:37 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 04:37 | |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 05:00 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ | 05:00 | |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] | 05:05 | |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has joined #webgui | 06:36 | |
| PedersenMJ | hello all | 06:36 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, man | 06:53 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | say that three times fast | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | petrolacasaurus | 06:56 |
| PedersenMJ | Is that the gasoline dinosaur that also has a wall outlet in its tail? | 06:57 |
| +perlDreamer | yup, that's him | 06:59 |
| +perlDreamer | The Discovery Channel rocks | 07:00 |
| +perlDreamer | so far I've found two bugs tonight from writing API tests | 07:00 |
| PedersenMJ | unit tests are an amazing thing for finding bugs. | 07:01 |
| PedersenMJ | I always wind up pointing to my first experience with them as evidence of their strength. I had written up (in C) mime encode/decode routines. And had checked them over pretty thoroughly, done some tests, etc. I knew they worked. And then I formalized into unit tests, and found out that one of my decide routines was missing the return statement, making it broken. | 07:03 |
| PedersenMJ | And I had "known" that it worked just fine for months. | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | that sounds like a good lesson | 07:04 |
| +perlDreamer | my favorite one was "well, all the tests pass so the design is fine" | 07:04 |
| +perlDreamer | that was before I learned about test coverage | 07:04 |
| PedersenMJ | For me, that was learning about writing *any* tests :) | 07:05 |
| PedersenMJ | However, I know that I'm weak in some testing aspects. Okay, most of them. Any good websites on how to ensure test coverage? | 07:05 |
| PedersenMJ | Or that at least discuss it? | 07:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know of any. | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I went to an OSCON presentation last year and became a believer | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | The big testing things seem to be | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) Write them | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | well, | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | 0) Write Unit tests | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) Run your coverage on your unit tests | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) write integration tests | 07:07 |
| PedersenMJ | That's the part I'm missing. | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | integration tests? WebGUI doesn't have any yet either | 07:07 |
| PedersenMJ | I'm working on a python script that will automate a *lot* of the verification of the state of the code and docs for another set of python scripts I'm working on. | 07:08 |
| PedersenMJ | But I have yet to even come close to finding a way to verify (programatically) that enough integration testing is being done. | 07:08 |
| @preaction | what do you mean by integration tests? | 07:09 |
| +perlDreamer | for wG, it would be UI level tests | 07:09 |
| +perlDreamer | things that test multiple things together in a sequence | 07:09 |
| @preaction | so WWW::Mechanize or a series of getPage() | 07:09 |
| +perlDreamer | each may work correctly, but may not call among themselves correctly | 07:09 |
| PedersenMJ | For me, integration tests would be testing the interaction of two modules. | 07:09 |
| +perlDreamer | there may be some integration level testing now, but it's purely by accident | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm looking forward to the new OSCON schedule coming out | 07:12 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: did you read my last dev post? Am I askin' for beatin? | 07:17 |
| @preaction | with wrapper around getLineage? | 07:18 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 07:18 |
| @preaction | i agree, actually. getLineage should be the standard method to get assets that you don't know the assetId for | 07:19 |
| +perlDreamer | it's just the potential performance hit, maybe I should try to quantify it | 07:19 |
| @preaction | i prefer code maintainability over performance in most cases | 07:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it will save us tons of time down the road | 07:20 |
| @preaction | i mean, it's an extra little bit to do the logic to build the SQL, but the benefits of the encapsulation outweigh that imho | 07:20 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah. Change it in 1 place, and it works everywhere | 07:20 |
| @preaction | then you can do optimization from inside the getLineage and everything gets the benefit | 07:20 |
| +perlDreamer | but because it's more code, it may never reach the speed of the pure SQL query | 07:20 |
| +perlDreamer | he'll weigh in, then we'll do it | 07:21 |
| +perlDreamer | there are other, bigger bugs to worry about anyway | 07:21 |
| @preaction | but getLineage will survive database schema changes, when pure SQL queries probably won't | 07:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I agree | 07:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm guessing that the problems we're seeing in the Clipboard also exist in the Trash, and in their Workflow Activities, too. | 07:24 |
| +perlDreamer | The RTE has 4-6 semi-related open bugs | 07:24 |
| +perlDreamer | The calendar has a new batch of bugs | 07:24 |
| +perlDreamer | plus there's the list we've been dragging around | 07:24 |
| +perlDreamer | It's enough to make a dev nuts | 07:25 |
| * perlDreamer screams | 07:25 | |
| +perlDreamer | shriek, shriek | 07:25 |
| @preaction | i'm lucky, i don't get to deal with core bugs, i'm doing client work ;) | 07:26 |
| +perlDreamer | how's that coming? Did you make your deadline? | 07:26 |
| @preaction | no, the client data migration tool screwed my dev box three times in a row | 07:27 |
| @preaction | and the migration tool takes about 3-4 hours to run | 07:27 |
| @preaction | so i started on other things while that was going | 07:27 |
| +perlDreamer | that must be some set of data | 07:27 |
| +perlDreamer | the whole webgui test set only takes 75 minutes to run on my laptop | 07:28 |
| @preaction | i figured out that there's a niche for a sort of "Dumb Container" wobject, that acts simply as a way to display a list of whatever asset is contained inside it | 07:28 |
| @preaction | there's about 26,000 users | 07:28 |
| @preaction | that's the main thing i need to migrate each time | 07:28 |
| +perlDreamer | For the Dumb Container, it's like the Folder or CS? | 07:28 |
| @preaction | and every time i try to make a backup, so i don't have to re-run the migration | 07:28 |
| @preaction | it dies | 07:28 |
| @preaction | basically | 07:28 |
| @preaction | you'd subclass the dumb container to tell it what asset it should allow, and then write the asset's getEditForm and getTemplateVars methods | 07:29 |
| @preaction | i've written three apps in a row now, that are basically dumb containers that make their sub-assets do all the work | 07:29 |
| @preaction | kind of like the Calendar | 07:30 |
| +perlDreamer | It makes sense. | 07:30 |
| @preaction | it's more of a dev item, the dumb container itself has no value | 07:30 |
| +perlDreamer | It may let us start to specialize the CS instead of making it so generic, which would make JT happy | 07:30 |
| +perlDreamer | He hates that it's gotten so big | 07:30 |
| +perlDreamer | and slow | 07:30 |
| @preaction | well, little value, it'd be possible to make it valuable by itself | 07:31 |
| @preaction | yeah, the CS could be a subclass of this, allowed to contain Threads | 07:33 |
| @preaction | it might obfuscate the code a bit | 07:33 |
| +perlDreamer | but then you could have a specialized photo gallery, and a weblog | 07:33 |
| +perlDreamer | instead of the monster CS that does everything | 07:34 |
| @preaction | true enough, the main code being in the Dumb Container | 07:34 |
| +perlDreamer | Hey! | 07:35 |
| +perlDreamer | User.pm now has 100% coverage, except for the deprecated identifier method | 07:36 |
| @preaction | sweet | 07:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I found two bugs while writing tests for it tonight | 07:36 |
| +perlDreamer | and added a new method to SQL.pm, quickScalar | 07:36 |
| @preaction | gets the first element of the first row of a query? | 07:37 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 07:37 |
| +perlDreamer | that was one of the bugs that I found in User.pm | 07:37 |
| @preaction | very good idea, too much my ($result) = $db->quickArray("query"); | 07:37 |
| @preaction | there's a lot of that in the code | 07:37 |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has quit [] | 07:37 | |
| +perlDreamer | plus, now you can do things that were broken like this: | 07:38 |
| +perlDreamer | if (!exists $self->{_profile}{$fieldName} && !$self->session->db->quickArray("SELECT COUNT(*) FROM userProfileField WHERE fieldName = ?", [$fieldName])) | 07:38 |
| +perlDreamer | safely | 07:38 |
| +perlDreamer | the array always had 1 element in it, so in scalar context that part of the conditional was always true | 07:38 |
| @preaction | yeah, i don't like the idea of that SQL query inside the IF conditional :p, cleaner to assign it to a var and test it afterward | 07:39 |
| @preaction | but i see your point | 07:39 |
| +perlDreamer | probably more PBP as well | 07:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I remember thinking about that and convincing myself that it was better to do it this way.... | 07:40 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, I remember | 07:41 |
| +perlDreamer | inside the conditional, it only does the query if the profile field doesn't exist | 07:41 |
| @preaction | if you put it as the first line inside the conditional, it's the same thing? | 07:42 |
| +perlDreamer | via nesting? yes | 07:42 |
| @preaction | rather, after the ) { | 07:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I see what you mean, now | 07:43 |
| -!- TheSeparator [i=Seppie@cp43027-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has joined #webgui | 07:48 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit [""""] | 08:28 | |
| -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users, it has hostages."] | 08:43 | |
| -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui | 08:53 | |
| -!- Hinrik is now known as Hinrik\ | 09:07 | |
| -!- Hinrik\ is now known as Hinrik | 09:07 | |
| -!- todor_k [n=wgGuest9@zen.ecocoms.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 09:35 | |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 09:47 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ | 09:48 | |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 10:08 | |
| -!- preaction_ [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 11:15 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] | 11:23 | |
| -!- Hinrik_ [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 12:10 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 12:24 | |
| TheSeparator | Looks like Spectre on the Plainblack.com server is on strike... | 13:37 |
| TheSeparator | no new posts appear | 13:41 |
| -!- Hinrik_ is now known as Hinrik | 13:49 | |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui | 16:29 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ | 16:29 | |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 16:30 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ | 16:30 | |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] | 16:32 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@sbserver.sunsetpres.org] has joined #webgui | 19:05 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 19:05 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@sbserver.sunsetpres.org] has quit ["Leaving."] | 19:51 | |
| -!- snapcount_ [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [] | 20:11 | |
| -!- Hinrik_ [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 21:00 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 21:14 | |
| -!- Hinrik_ is now known as Hinrik | 21:16 | |
| --- Day changed Mon Mar 05 2007 | ||
| -!- preaction_ is now known as preaction | 01:17 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 01:17 | |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] | 01:48 | |
| -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: ckotil | 03:28 | |
| -!- Netsplit over, joins: ckotil | 03:29 | |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has joined #webgui | 04:04 | |
| PedersenMJ | heya | 04:05 |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] | 04:21 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 04:22 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 04:22 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 04:25 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ | 04:26 | |
| -!- snapcount_ [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 05:08 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 05:25 | |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has quit [] | 06:05 | |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@c5375184f.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #webgui | 06:52 | |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@c5375184f.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["Xirc - MacOSX"] | 07:00 | |
| -!- php-freak [i=tdd1984@74-133-97-232.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #webgui | 10:11 | |
| php-freak | is this a xampp channel? | 10:11 |
| Hinrik | why would you think that? | 10:11 |
| -!- php-freak [i=tdd1984@74-133-97-232.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [] | 10:23 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 12:07 | |
| -!- wgGuest16 [n=wgGuest1@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] has joined #webgui | 12:46 | |
| -!- wgGuest16 [n=wgGuest1@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] has quit [] | 12:52 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 14:07 | |
| -!- pjesi [n=pjesi@nix.is] has joined #webgui | 14:31 | |
| Hinrik | how does one make a package? | 15:20 |
| Hinrik | the only think I see is a "Make package?" question under the metadata tab with a yes/no radio button | 15:21 |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@242.sub-75-206-99.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI | 15:44 | |
| pjesi | what if you select @yes@ | 15:54 |
| Hinrik | nm | 15:56 |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 15:57 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ | 15:57 | |
| -!- snapcount_ [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] | 15:57 | |
| SDuensin | Good morning! | 15:58 |
| -!- snapcount_ [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 16:08 | |
| Hinrik | hm, when I try to export a package I created, it just gives me: | 16:11 |
| Hinrik | The requested URL /uploads/temp/JN/JNVATRUgdbd70zMSEkKpLw was not found on this server. | 16:11 |
| Hinrik | it's not a permission problem, this file simply wasn't created | 16:11 |
| Hinrik | if I create the package again, I get the same, just a different URL | 16:12 |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 16:24 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 17:50 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 17:50 | |
| snapcount_ | Bueller | 18:01 |
| snapcount_ | Bueller | 18:01 |
| snapcount_ | Bueller | 18:01 |
| @preaction | He's home sick | 18:01 |
| snapcount_ | Hinrik: check your error logs, they will guide you to the answers you seek | 18:01 |
| Hinrik | yeah... | 18:02 |
| --- Log opened Mon Mar 05 18:59:09 2007 | ||
| -!- xdanger [i=xdanger@217.112.244.70] has joined #webgui | 18:59 | |
| -!- Irssi: #webgui: Total of 13 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 1 voices, 11 normal] | 18:59 | |
| -!- Irssi: Join to #webgui was synced in 3 secs | 18:59 | |
| +perlDreamer | getAssetsInClipboard really wants to be a class method | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Is anyone else able to use the newly updated Weather Asset? | 19:18 |
| ckotil | havent tried. | 19:26 |
| ckotil | i could check it out, if you want me to | 19:26 |
| ckotil | im not doing anything else really | 19:26 |
| ckotil | just waiting for workflows to cook off | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Please give it a shot | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I think there's a naming problem | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | It has to be called Weather::Simple | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | but it has to be installed as Weather::Com::Simple | 19:28 |
| ckotil | i need to install htat. | 19:28 |
| ckotil | first. | 19:28 |
| ckotil | so what module am i installing ? | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | Weather::Com::Simple | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | perl -MCPAN -e shell | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | force install Weather::Com::Simple | 19:29 |
| ckotil | got it | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | It has a poorly written test that assumes that this year is 2005, that's why the force | 19:30 |
| -!- wgGuest46 [n=wgGuest4@user-24-214-222-222.knology.net] has joined #webgui | 19:31 | |
| ckotil | is the new weather asset enabled by default? | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I think so | 19:32 |
| ckotil | k. i need to register somewhere right? | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | webgui.conf | 19:32 |
| ckotil | ok, is there an article i can read to see what i gotta do? | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | just become admin and turn on admin | 19:35 |
| ckotil | well yeah | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | if you can deploy it, it will show up in the admin bar | 19:35 |
| ckotil | i add it and commit and it disappears. | 19:36 |
| ckotil | i didnt configure it in webgui.conf bc i dunno wtf to do | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | You just add WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::WeatherData to your assets | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | that's all the config | 19:36 |
| ckotil | o | 19:36 |
| ckotil | i thought we had to register with some www to retrieve info | 19:36 |
| ckotil | well im to the point where i add it from the new content bar | 19:37 |
| ckotil | commit. | 19:37 |
| ckotil | dissapeared | 19:37 |
| +perlDreamer | which WebGUI are you running? | 19:38 |
| ckotil | .10 | 19:38 |
| ckotil | i can move to .11 if you need me to. im working this on my dev box | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, that would be good | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | this new code was added in .11 | 19:38 |
| ckotil | k | 19:39 |
| ckotil | no weather data asset now | 19:41 |
| ckotil | and that line is in my conf | 19:41 |
| snapcount_ | perlDreamer: thx for all the bug work you've been up to lately | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | you're welcome | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm bored to tears at work | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | No projects for 7 weeks now | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | without wG, I'd be a wreck | 19:42 |
| snapcount_ | yay for us! | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I have two more bug fixes coming in, now | 19:43 |
| snapcount_ | you should apply to work for us | 19:43 |
| snapcount_ | you have the time | 19:43 |
| snapcount_ | might as well collect a check =D | 19:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Oh no, I still get paid. I'm salaried | 19:43 |
| snapcount_ | I know | 19:43 |
| snapcount_ | get paid twice | 19:43 |
| snapcount_ | two full-time jobs... you could build your own spaceship | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | doing outside consulting at $dayJob is strictly verboten | 19:44 |
| snapcount_ | bah | 19:44 |
| snapcount_ | hehe | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | They are ultra paranoid. | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | To get internet access, you have to get a VP signature | 19:44 |
| snapcount_ | nice | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I hacked this proxy onto our "allowed pool computer" for group-level internet access | 19:44 |
| ckotil | hehe. spaceship | 19:45 |
| snapcount_ | excellent | 19:45 |
| snapcount_ | well, I must eat to prevent myself from dying | 19:45 |
| snapcount_ | bbl | 19:45 |
| ckotil | pd what now? | 19:50 |
| +perlDreamer | start up wG, become Admin and turn on Admin | 19:50 |
| +perlDreamer | look for the Weather Asset in the Admin Bar | 19:50 |
| +perlDreamer | and then look in WebGUI.log for an error about Asset::Wobject::WeatherData and getUiLevel | 19:51 |
| ckotil | k | 19:51 |
| ckotil | 2007/03/05 17:40:59 - ERROR - newt.webgui.conf - WebGUI::Session::ErrorHandler::error[183] - Couldn't get UI level of WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::StockData. Root cause: Can't locate object method "getUiLevel" via package "WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::StockData" at /gnoc/newt/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm line 520. | 19:51 |
| ckotil | err. | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | yup, that's what I'm looking for | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Thanks! | 19:52 |
| ckotil | thats for stock data tho. | 19:52 |
| ckotil | lemme see if i can get a weather data | 19:52 |
| ckotil | 2007/03/05 17:53:01 - ERROR - newt.webgui.conf - WebGUI::Session::ErrorHandler::error[183] - Couldn't get UI level of WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::WeatherData. Root cause: Can't locate object method "getUiLevel" via package "WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::WeatherData" at /gnoc/newt/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm line 520. | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | and you installed Weather::Com, right? | 19:53 |
| ckotil | yes. | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | then I've got the right bug, then. | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Thanks for the double check, ckotil! | 19:54 |
| ckotil | np | 19:55 |
| ckotil | ? : webgui will strip out any invalid html that is contained within an article asset. does the wysiwig editor do this? or an internal wg funciton? | 20:07 |
| ckotil | bc since i imported all these articles. some of them have some trialing table shit inside them, and i would like for wg to strip that out. | 20:07 |
| ckotil | is there anyway i can automatically do this? or must i view each article in the wysiwig editor? | 20:07 |
| +perlDreamer | it's in WebGUI::Html, that's the internal function | 20:07 |
| ckotil | can i execute a rebuild lineage? or anything like that to do this stripping automatically? | 20:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I think the stripping is done in realtime, during display | 20:08 |
| +perlDreamer | so the bad HTML is still in the db, but not shown | 20:08 |
| ckotil | seems to only strip when i click edit. | 20:08 |
| ckotil | my engineers will bitch. and i dont wnat to have to go through each page and click edit, then save. | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | it may have to go through editSave routine for the Article | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Let me get my phone reinstalled, and I'll check | 20:11 |
| ckotil | ok. basically im wondering if there is a way to execute that without actually clicking edit/save | 20:11 |
| -!- wgGuest46 [n=wgGuest4@user-24-214-222-222.knology.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 20:23 | |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil, you created Article assets via the import script? | 20:26 |
| ckotil | yes. | 20:26 |
| ckotil | i grabbed between a tbale tag | 20:26 |
| ckotil | so there are <td> and <tr> in the article | 20:26 |
| ckotil | and its f'ing up my site template | 20:26 |
| ckotil | i use tbales in my site. | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | from what I've learned, I'd say the clean-up is from the RTE. | 20:27 |
| +perlDreamer | The filter I mentioned is used in limited cases, like the Post and anywhere where a generic user is allowed to submit content. | 20:27 |
| ckotil | ok | 20:28 |
| +perlDreamer | You could write a selenium script to do it | 20:28 |
| ckotil | so the wysiwig editor must be called. | 20:28 |
| +perlDreamer | but then you'd have to install and learn selenium | 20:28 |
| +perlDreamer | It lets you script your browser into automated tasks, usually for testing. | 20:28 |
| ckotil | nah. right now i just attached a n ote to the section. more of a disclaimer: warning: if this is f'ed up simply edit it and save | 20:29 |
| @preaction | the filter is called in processPropertiesFromFormPost | 20:29 |
| ckotil | werd. | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | which pPFFP is it called in? | 20:30 |
| @preaction | probably the WebGUI::Asset one | 20:30 |
| @preaction | you can specify a filter for any property | 20:31 |
| +perlDreamer | right, but there's no filter currently set up for the Article's HTMLArea | 20:31 |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 20:32 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ | 20:32 | |
| @preaction | ah, then i durno | 20:32 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer!!!!! | 20:32 |
| gooeybot | perldreamer is bug empowered | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | ahoy, dude | 20:32 |
| @preaction | no, gooeybot, perldreamer is <reply> | 20:32 |
| gooeybot | okay, preaction. | 20:32 |
| @rizen | i just like shouting out your name for no apparent reason | 20:32 |
| @rizen | =) | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought it was because I'd fixed 9 bugs in 7.3.12 | 20:33 |
| * rizen reading about what we can do to fix the http caching problem once and for all | 20:35 | |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: is xtopher command line savvy? | 20:35 |
| @rizen | he's no unix admin....but he can make his way around pretty well | 20:35 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, I'm going to write a script to verify his dbSlaves. I'm sure that he's got some connection problem that's outside of wG's domain. | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | we're running out of bugs that I know how to fix | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | there are 6 related to the RTE | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe 7 | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | 3 calendar bugs | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | and then all the historical bugs that we haven't fixed yet. | 20:37 |
| @rizen | i'm off of support for the next couple of weeks (except fridays) so that i can work on fixing bugs and coding the next wre | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | cool. | 20:38 |
| @rizen | 1/3 of the bugs in the list are WRE related...so getting the new wre out will resolve those | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI sets a new record this week. | 20:38 |
| @rizen | it does? | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Highest subversion released. | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | .12 | 20:39 |
| @rizen | ah | 20:39 |
| @rizen | hopefully it will make it up to about 16 | 20:39 |
| @rizen | i figure around then we'll be releasing 7.4.0 | 20:40 |
| @rizen | cuz i'm hoping at about 7.3.14 | 20:40 |
| @rizen | we'll be able to finally branch | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be 3 more weeks | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds pretty doable | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | the http caching thing, it's from mlamar? | 20:41 |
| ckotil | http://hastalasiesta.org/stuffs/nakkeTattis.jpg sfw | 20:41 |
| @rizen | yup and others | 20:41 |
| @rizen | it's constantly a question | 20:41 |
| @rizen | to the best of my knowledge we've done what the W3C has said to do...but now i'm looking for things we missed, and loopholes | 20:42 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a pretty stout test for Session/Http. It should help verify any changes. | 20:43 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui | 20:46 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ | 20:46 | |
| @rizen | ok peeps in working on fixing HTTP caching problems that people are experiencing i'm considering implementing something that i wanted to avoid | 20:57 |
| @rizen | and i'd like some feedback | 20:57 |
| @rizen | The Problem: webgui 7.0 above uses W3C defined practices for setting HTTP cache headers | 20:57 |
| @rizen | which means that pages viewable by the public (or in our case the "visitor" user) should be cachable by cache servers | 20:58 |
| @rizen | and pages viewable by logged in users should not cache at all | 20:58 |
| @rizen | we've done what the W3C recommends | 20:58 |
| @rizen | HOWEVER | 20:58 |
| @rizen | when a user visits a page as a visitor | 20:58 |
| @rizen | and then logs in and visits that page again | 20:59 |
| @rizen | their browser and or cache server shows them the page as they saw it the first time | 20:59 |
| @rizen | because the first time it was supposed to be cached...and therefore it doesn't go back to the server | 20:59 |
| @rizen | the browser / cache server has no idea that they've subsequently logged in and therefore the page should no longer be served from cache | 21:00 |
| @rizen | The Solution(s): | 21:00 |
| @rizen | I see only 2 solutions to this problem: | 21:00 |
| @rizen | a) We tell the cache servers and browsers never to cache webgui pages...but then we're increasing the load on the webgui server, but also increasing usability | 21:00 |
| @rizen | b) We tell the cache servers that they need to check back with webgui on every page request to see if it should be updated, and then if we see that the user is logged in, we tell them to request the new page, but... | 21:01 |
| @rizen | this increases load on the server in that it must do both the revalidation, and then possibly a second request to load the page | 21:02 |
| ckotil | c) dont cache for logged in users | 21:02 |
| ckotil | or is that missing something with a) ? | 21:02 |
| @rizen | and the revalidation is almost as hard on the server as rendering a full page in the first place | 21:02 |
| @rizen | ckotil...we already don't cache for logged in users | 21:02 |
| ckotil | ok, so yeah. | 21:02 |
| @rizen | that's what i said duriing the problem section | 21:02 |
| ckotil | right. | 21:03 |
| @rizen | the problem isn't that we're caching for logged in users | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | c2) Don't do anything and tell people not to mix dynamic and static content on the same page? | 21:03 |
| @rizen | it's that when a logged in user visits the url of a page that was cached as a visitor...then they see the cahed page | 21:03 |
| @rizen | c2) even a login box (^L;) is dynamic content | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | crap. | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | so anything we do increases server load | 21:04 |
| @rizen | and so is doing something like ^a(^@);); | 21:04 |
| @rizen | yes | 21:04 |
| @rizen | probably not by much...because i don't think people revisit a page they've already been to very often anyway | 21:04 |
| @rizen | at least not during the cache timeout period | 21:05 |
| @rizen | but..on some sites they might | 21:05 |
| @rizen | and this would then increase the load dramatically on some sites | 21:05 |
| @rizen | on sites like plainblack.com though, it wouldn't change much | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | but on Len's soccer sites it would be awful | 21:05 |
| @rizen | actually no | 21:05 |
| @rizen | on len's soccer site they don't use webgui's caching anyway | 21:06 |
| @rizen | they put squid in front of webgui | 21:06 |
| @rizen | so they set their own HTTP cache headers | 21:06 |
| @rizen | but yeah...if they were using webgui...it would probably be aweful | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | but if wG tells upstream cache servers not to cache it, would squid just act like a bypass then? | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | if so, then (b) is the only viable option | 21:07 |
| @rizen | webgui says "don't cache me", but then squid sits in front of webgui and says "cache me" | 21:07 |
| ckotil | any js solutions? | 21:07 |
| -!- mlamar [n=mlamar@130.157.145.49] has joined #webgui | 21:07 | |
| @rizen | a and b are both viable | 21:07 |
| @rizen | i think that a is probably the better performer in our case though | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | mlamar, you can get an IRC transcription from http://mentalhouse.net/irc/logs/webgui/2007-03.log | 21:08 |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@c5375184f.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #webgui | 21:08 | |
| @rizen | joeri!!! | 21:08 |
| -!- [joeri] [n=joeri@ip56503e61.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #webgui | 21:08 | |
| @rizen | joeri, you joined twice? | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | he gets two votes | 21:09 |
| @rizen | hehe | 21:09 |
| mlamar | I'm sorry not seeing the b option in the log ... what is it? | 21:09 |
| [joeri] | That's strange indeed | 21:09 |
| -!- [joeri] [n=joeri@ip56503e61.direct-adsl.nl] has left #webgui [] | 21:10 | |
| +perlDreamer | (11:01:40) rizen: b) We tell the cache servers that they need to check back with webgui on every page request to see if it should be updated, and then if we see that the user is logged in, we tell them to request the new page, but... | 21:10 |
| mlamar | I was working on a fix to the login cache probelm that uses preventProxyCache like functionality only for a limited time after a user logs in | 21:10 |
| mlamar | Right now I've added code to Session:Url.pm to put in the "noCache=..." param if a user is logged in, which works well | 21:11 |
| @rizen | it's a nice idea, but it's a hack...i want a permanent solution. you're not the only person who has brought this up | 21:12 |
| @rizen | and it's not only related to logins | 21:12 |
| mlamar | But then even visitors see a big performance hit with no caching ... | 21:13 |
| mlamar | in what other contexts does this problem come up? | 21:14 |
| @rizen | navigation is the biggest one | 21:14 |
| @rizen | on many sites even if there is no login box on the page | 21:15 |
| @rizen | the navigation changes depending upon who is logged in | 21:15 |
| @rizen | due to page privileges | 21:15 |
| @rizen | therefore if you're served the "visitor" page | 21:15 |
| @rizen | you won't have any of your private navigation | 21:15 |
| mlamar | very similar to our problem actually | 21:15 |
| @rizen | but there's all kinds of little things as well...like ^a(^@);); shows the wrong thing...and that confuses users | 21:16 |
| @rizen | mlamar: just so you know | 21:16 |
| @rizen | there is a temporary solution to this | 21:16 |
| @rizen | just turn on preventProxyCache | 21:17 |
| @rizen | i just want a permanent one | 21:17 |
| mlamar | Why do you feel that adding a param to the url is a hack? | 21:17 |
| @rizen | because it's only a solution for that one problem | 21:17 |
| @rizen | it's solving a symptom | 21:18 |
| @rizen | not the actual problem | 21:18 |
| mlamar | It's forcing the browse to refresh the page -- what problem does it not solve? | 21:18 |
| @rizen | it solves the problem directly after login | 21:18 |
| @rizen | but not for the whole site | 21:18 |
| @rizen | for example | 21:18 |
| @rizen | let's say i go to plainblack.com | 21:19 |
| @rizen | and browse around as a visitor | 21:19 |
| @rizen | looking at various message board posts | 21:19 |
| @rizen | wiki pages | 21:19 |
| @rizen | etc | 21:19 |
| @rizen | then i log in | 21:19 |
| @rizen | using your hack | 21:19 |
| @rizen | it works for the page directly after login | 21:19 |
| @rizen | but if i visit any other page after that which i also visited as visitor | 21:19 |
| @rizen | then the page goes back to the cached version | 21:19 |
| mlamar | ahh, but my "hack" keeps the noCache param for any page after I've logged in | 21:20 |
| mlamar | Ideally it should only show once per page after login | 21:20 |
| @rizen | in addition...you're adding BS to the end of the URL just like preventProxyCache | 21:20 |
| @rizen | which is also a hack | 21:20 |
| gooeybot | okay, rizen. | 21:20 |
| mlamar | to implement that we'd need to add some sort of per-page tracking mechinism | 21:20 |
| @rizen | the problem is in the cache control headers | 21:20 |
| @rizen | and i want to fix it in the cache control headers | 21:20 |
| @rizen | any other solution is irrelevant as far as i'm concerned | 21:21 |
| mlamar | well if you can fix it in the cache control headers without significantly impacting performance, then that's great | 21:22 |
| mlamar | if you can't, I'd rather have junk in my urls | 21:22 |
| @rizen | and you can...as you've already said | 21:22 |
| -!- wgGuest67 [n=wgGuest6@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] has joined #webgui | 21:22 | |
| @rizen | but i don't want junk in my urls | 21:22 |
| mlamar | yes, but I'm hacking the core, which I don't want to do | 21:22 |
| @rizen | and neither do a lot of my clients...as expressed in their angry emails and support posts | 21:23 |
| @rizen | when i tell them to turn on prevent proxy cache | 21:23 |
| mlamar | well it should be a feature that you control in the conf file | 21:23 |
| mlamar | btw, when I use the prevent proxy cache it breaks my macros due to the comma in the middle of the param | 21:24 |
| mlamar | I changed my code to make that a colon instead -- any reason for the comma? | 21:24 |
| wgGuest67 | well I'm not behind a proxy and still I have to reload webgui pages most of the time... | 21:24 |
| wgGuest67 | to display that I'm logged in as an example | 21:25 |
| mlamar | yes, that is the problem we are discussing | 21:25 |
| wgGuest67 | oh... There will be a fix? | 21:25 |
| @rizen | mlamar: yes because it's supposed to be a comma. it's not a name value pair | 21:25 |
| @rizen | If you use macros like ^Extras(some/thing.jpg); or ^/(page-url-goes-here); | 21:26 |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@c5375184f.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 21:26 | |
| @rizen | instead of ^Extras;some/thing.jpg | 21:26 |
| @rizen | and ^/;page-url-goes-here | 21:26 |
| @rizen | then it will work as advertised | 21:26 |
| @rizen | what you've done by changing it into a comma is | 21:27 |
| @rizen | created another name value pair, with only a name and no value | 21:27 |
| @rizen | you have | 21:28 |
| @rizen | noCache=0000000;0000 | 21:28 |
| @rizen | which is | 21:28 |
| @rizen | noCache = 00000000 | 21:28 |
| @rizen | and | 21:28 |
| @rizen | 0000 = | 21:28 |
| @rizen | two separate fields | 21:28 |
| mlamar | not a semi-colon, just a colon noCache=392:1173120127 | 21:28 |
| @rizen | oh...sorry, misread | 21:29 |
| @rizen | colon is just fine | 21:29 |
| mlamar | anyway, I don't care what the character is, as long as it doesn't kill my macros | 21:29 |
| @rizen | i'll change it to a colon in the code then | 21:29 |
| mlamar | thanks! | 21:29 |
| wgGuest67 | there will be a fix about the caching issue? | 21:30 |
| mlamar | I gotta go to a lunch meeting, so I'm signing off. Let me know what you decide about the cache problem. -- good to talk to you all. | 21:30 |
| -!- mlamar [n=mlamar@130.157.145.49] has quit ["Leaving"] | 21:31 | |
| wgGuest67 | also in this post http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/trashing-uncommitted-assets-in-the-clipboard/5 | 21:31 |
| wgGuest67 | there is On Saturday 03 March 2007 16:15, jt@plainblack.com wrote: | 21:31 |
| wgGuest67 | isn't this bad for spam/security? | 21:32 |
| @rizen | max, why do you keep coming back? | 21:32 |
| wgGuest67 | cause I made the transition to WebGUI for my website | 21:33 |
| @rizen | but you hate webgui, and you hate me | 21:33 |
| wgGuest67 | no I don't | 21:34 |
| @rizen | you've clearly shown your disgust for both of us, and i might mention doug and a few other people as well in your posts | 21:34 |
| wgGuest67 | I think you're not the best guy in the world.. But who's perfect | 21:34 |
| wgGuest67 | Indeed, I'm not the only one that said those kind of things | 21:34 |
| wgGuest67 | glaven.org anyone? | 21:35 |
| @rizen | but he left webgui behind | 21:35 |
| @rizen | he doesn't keep coming back | 21:35 |
| wgGuest67 | Because he left the company that was using webgui | 21:35 |
| @rizen | and he was also pissed because he was fired from the job | 21:36 |
| @rizen | that was using webgui | 21:36 |
| wgGuest67 | and in the comments other people agree | 21:36 |
| @rizen | yeah...but they don't keep coming back | 21:36 |
| wgGuest67 | btw I don't want to start another flame, unlike you seem to do | 21:36 |
| @rizen | that's the key here | 21:36 |
| @rizen | i do want to start another flame, because you don't ask questions...you demand answers | 21:36 |
| @rizen | that's the difference between you and 90% of the other users in the webgui | 21:37 |
| @rizen | community | 21:37 |
| gooeybot | i think community is far more diverse than irc would have you believe | 21:37 |
| @rizen | i'm not talking about irc | 21:37 |
| wgGuest67 | Nope I just ask for questions | 21:37 |
| @rizen | i'm talking about people on support boards, forums, mailing lists, bug reports, client phone calls, etc | 21:37 |
| wgGuest67 | wait I have a video I recently saw I want to recommend you. Wanna see it? | 21:38 |
| @rizen | if i say no will you send it anyway? | 21:38 |
| wgGuest67 | it's a cool video (a conference) believe me | 21:38 |
| @rizen | the answers to your questions above are: yes, and no, in that order | 21:39 |
| wgGuest67 | It's a bit long but it's worth it. The part I refer to anyway is about in the middle | 21:39 |
| wgGuest67 | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6765603919277760697 | 21:39 |
| pjesi | is it not kind of extra overhead to import ical feed to other calendar assets on the same site? | 21:39 |
| wgGuest67 | that guys is what you call a real Pro | 21:40 |
| wgGuest67 | and he says a lot of the things I said | 21:40 |
| wgGuest67 | about open source communities, feedback, etc. | 21:40 |
| wgGuest67 | guys = guy | 21:41 |
| @rizen | pjesi: it's overhead from a data storage point of view..but from a display processing point of view (which is 90% of the work), it's less | 21:41 |
| pjesi | rizen: ok but do I need some cronjob to get the thing imported? | 21:43 |
| @rizen | the workflow engine will do it for you | 21:43 |
| wgGuest67 | about my questions: 1. that's great. 2. why no? There's an email address that spam robots can easily crawl | 21:43 |
| pjesi | I added the feed earlier today but it does not show up | 21:44 |
| @rizen | pjesi: check to see which of the maintenance workflows it's part of | 21:45 |
| @rizen | i don't remember if it's daily or hourly | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | pjesi: I think you have to make sure that the CalendarUpdateFeeds workflow activity is being run. | 21:45 |
| pjesi | I see | 21:46 |
| pjesi | never touched the workflows | 21:46 |
| pjesi | it would be nice to have a import button on the feed tab | 21:47 |
| +perlDreamer | it looks like it is in Hourly Maintenance Tasks | 21:47 |
| @rizen | yup that would be good | 21:47 |
| @rizen | you know where the rfe list is? | 21:47 |
| pjesi | I think so | 21:48 |
| * perlDreamer goes running. be back later | 21:48 | |
| pjesi | hf | 21:48 |
| wgGuest67 | that's the same bug I reported here more than 10 days ago I guess | 21:49 |
| pjesi | it is not a bug | 21:50 |
| @rizen | max, that's another thing about you...if you want us to be responsive to you, then you need to understand that not everything is a bug | 21:50 |
| @rizen | with you...if it's not how you want it to be, it's a bug | 21:50 |
| @rizen | but that's not how it is | 21:50 |
| wgGuest67 | Not at all... Probably I misread now. I was referring to the feeds not being updated by the workflow | 21:51 |
| wgGuest67 | you're discussing about something different? | 21:51 |
| @rizen | my comment was made in general | 21:51 |
| @rizen | not about that specific thing | 21:51 |
| wgGuest67 | whatever, if now I'm right where's the deal? | 21:52 |
| @rizen | and finally...you argue every last thing | 21:52 |
| wgGuest67 | we start again... | 21:52 |
| wgGuest67 | so what about that video and my last question? | 21:52 |
| @rizen | please understand that as far as i'm concerned...YOU (and only you) are NOT welcome here | 21:52 |
| wgGuest67 | that's some news | 21:53 |
| -!- snapcount_ is now known as snapcount | 21:53 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ | 21:53 | |
| wgGuest67 | the glaven.org guy is right when he says: you might be CEO of big company X, but plainblack staff will always be rude | 21:54 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+b *!*@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] by snapcount | 21:54 | |
| -!- wgGuest67 was kicked from #webgui by snapcount [snapcount] | 21:54 | |
| SDuensin | Who was that twit? | 21:57 |
| * SDuensin quite likes Plain Black. | 21:58 | |
| @rizen | his name is maxscience | 21:58 |
| @rizen | he constantly badmouths me, my staff, my company, and webgui to all who will listen | 21:58 |
| @rizen | but also uses webgui | 21:58 |
| SDuensin | Gotta love that. | 21:59 |
| @rizen | because is in his words (paraphrasing) "webgui is a pile of crap, but it's the best pile of crap out there" | 21:59 |
| @rizen | people can bad mouth me, plain black, and webgui all they want. we're public figures and so we'll get critics...but when they start bad mouthing my peeps...that's when it has gone so far | 22:00 |
| SDuensin | :-) | 22:00 |
| @rizen | he's the only person i've ever asked to leave the community | 22:00 |
| @rizen | that was 6 months ago. he keeps coming back every couple of months, but with a new name | 22:01 |
| @snapcount | well, before he comes back in here he'll have to change IP addresses | 22:02 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 22:02 |
| @snapcount | I tried so hard with that guy | 22:02 |
| @snapcount | oh well, can't save 'em all | 22:03 |
| @rizen | i wish i knew his real name and address, i'd put an explicit exclusion in the license file just for him | 22:06 |
| SDuensin | hehehe | 22:06 |
| pjesi | hahahha | 22:06 |
| SDuensin | whois his domain | 22:06 |
| pjesi | then you could not license it as GPL | 22:07 |
| pjesi | (I think) | 22:07 |
| @rizen | no one knows his name | 22:07 |
| @rizen | i mean domain name | 22:07 |
| @rizen | his email address is gmail | 22:07 |
| @rizen | and his ip address is some residental network in italy | 22:07 |
| @snapcount | I have absolutely no problem banning the entire country of Italy =D | 22:21 |
| @snapcount | I'm kidding | 22:21 |
| SDuensin | Give the boot the boot! | 22:21 |
| ckotil | heh | 22:49 |
| ckotil | SDuensin: clever | 22:49 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer | 23:06 |
| @rizen | i'm talking to my data entry person who's going to move all the help into the wiki | 23:06 |
| @rizen | do you think all the macros should be moved as well? | 23:06 |
| SDuensin | WIKI!!!!! | 23:06 |
| gooeybot | well, wiki is http://wiki.webgui.org or yet another place to get help with WebGUI | 23:06 |
| @rizen | i think they should be | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd like to make an argument against doing that, but it's not a strong one | 23:11 |
| @snapcount | I OBJECT | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | We're leaving things in that could be used for dynamic help, like fields and template variables. | 23:11 |
| @snapcount | sorry... I get overly excited sometimes | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I could see having pop-up macro help as well | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | arguments and a 1-liner | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | snapcount, when you object, you need to instance first :) | 23:12 |
| SDuensin | Maybe he's static? | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | singleton? | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | where did he go? | 23:13 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen? | 23:13 |
| gooeybot | i heard rizen was a prolific php writer don't you know | 23:13 |
| @rizen | yes | 23:13 |
| +perlDreamer | what do you think about my counter argument about macros? | 23:13 |
| @rizen | for now i'm going to have her copy over the macro pages | 23:13 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 23:13 |
| @rizen | i think that even if we do decide to add macros to the template editor, that we'll have to create new help for the macros | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | that makes sense | 23:14 |
| @rizen | cuz they don't fit the mould of the template variables | 23:14 |
| @snapcount | my $objection = Roys::Simple::Mind->new("dumby")->objection("Are you saying that an African Swallow carried those coconuts..."); | 23:14 |
| @rizen | $objection->purge; | 23:14 |
| @snapcount | you purged my brain | 23:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | what brauin? | 23:15 |
| @rizen | no...you created an objection object | 23:15 |
| @snapcount | that was a Roys::Simple::Mind object you destroyed | 23:15 |
| @rizen | nope | 23:15 |
| @rizen | read your code again | 23:15 |
| ckotil | http://www.andrewlipson.com/lego.htm | 23:15 |
| @snapcount | oh your right | 23:15 |
| @snapcount | damn you | 23:15 |
| @rizen | your code doesn't return a roy's simple brain object | 23:15 |
| @rizen | instead, it passes it forward into a method | 23:15 |
| @rizen | which appears to create a reference to an objection | 23:16 |
| @rizen | which i assumed was an object | 23:16 |
| @rizen | the reference could have just been a reference id | 23:16 |
| @rizen | but if that's the case, then you misnamed the variable | 23:16 |
| @snapcount | the people rest your honor | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | nice site, ckotil | 23:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I can't believe that max complained that it would take up to an hour to fetch an ical feed. | 23:17 |
| @snapcount | blasphamy | 23:17 |
| @snapcount | <meta name="GENERATOR" content="Namo WebEditor v2.00"> | 23:17 |
| @snapcount | that should say WebGUI ckotil | 23:17 |
| ckotil | heh. | 23:18 |
| ckotil | not my site | 23:18 |
| @snapcount | but legos rule | 23:18 |
| ckotil | my site does say webgui now. http://blizzie.net | 23:18 |
| +perlDreamer | snapcount: have you done any motors work? servos, etc.? | 23:18 |
| @rizen | roy: xtopher want's to make the dbslave bug a priority request | 23:18 |
| @rizen | which means it's now your priority request since you're on support duty | 23:19 |
| @snapcount | awesome | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I finished that dbSlave checking script, btw | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | it may help with that | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll attach it to the bug. | 23:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | rizzen | 23:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | i read:"Citizenship: We work on restricted commercial and Federal projects, so we can only accept applications from full United States citizens." | 23:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | does that mean you're not trying to hire eurotrash anymore =) | 23:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | ofcourse i meant fashionable eurotrash =) | 23:21 |
| +perlDreamer | highly educated, fashionable, eurotrash | 23:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | perlDreamer | 23:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | you must be drunk | 23:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | obviously you mean highly educated, fashionable, eurotrash with intense sex-appeal | 23:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Personally, I don't find you that sexy | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | It's your genetic condition | 23:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's because you're not a trashy european | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | Get rid of that nasty Y chromosome, and we could talk | 23:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | and who said I needed a job | 23:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | no no | 23:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | i like my chromosomes just where they are | 23:24 |
| @rizen | MrHairGrease...of course not | 23:26 |
| @rizen | it doesn't mean we can't use contractors from anywhere we want | 23:26 |
| @rizen | it just means that contractors (and employees) can't be non-citizens for the restricted projects | 23:27 |
| @rizen | so for all the other projects they can be | 23:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 23:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | i figured | 23:27 |
| @rizen | the thing is, that this new employee's job will be working on these restricted projects about 90% of the time | 23:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | i just saw an opportunity to use the eufemism eurotrash | 23:28 |
| @rizen | i c | 23:28 |
| @rizen | use away...i can't stand eurotrash anyway | 23:28 |
| @rizen | especially highly educated, fashionable, eurotrash with intense sex-appeal | 23:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | is this another fy rizen moment | 23:29 |
| @rizen | isn't it always? | 23:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | or is it actually | 23:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | a compliment | 23:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | i think it is the latter | 23:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 23:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you say so =) | 23:29 |
| @snapcount | rizen: can you test dbslaves using the same mysql server so long as it is a seperate database? | 23:30 |
| @snapcount | that should work... | 23:30 |
| @rizen | don't see why not | 23:31 |
| @snapcount | ok... just wanted to make sure it wouldn't trigger some kind of strange voodoo | 23:31 |
| @rizen | even with the same database it should work...but that may not then show the errir | 23:31 |
| @rizen | s/errir/error/ | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | snapcount: I just posted that script for testing db slave connections | 23:32 |
| @snapcount | how do I know I can trust you... aren't you from the west coast? | 23:32 |
| @rizen | yeah, he's one of those west coast conservative liberal hippy nazi's | 23:35 |
| +perlDreamer | Just call me moonunit, and pass the organic hummus and rice cakes, please | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | it's in the contrib's section | 23:37 |
| @rizen | no..that's only showing your hippy side | 23:37 |
| @rizen | what about your nazi side | 23:37 |
| @rizen | and you put nothing about your conservative and liberal sides in there | 23:38 |
| @rizen | i think to define perlDreamer, you must state that he he somewhere between communism and fascism on the conservative/liberal scale of things | 23:38 |
| @snapcount | well said | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | and all my scripts are above board | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | the only time to be worried is when I tell you to do a force install via the CPAN module | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | ...that's when I sneak in the trojan code | 23:40 |
| @rizen | communism > socialsim > liberal democracy > conservative democracy > fascism > theocracy | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | you should see the way some people run their network operations facilities | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | messy, messy, messy | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | MrHairGrease: why are your neighbors rioting over in Denmark? | 23:42 |
| @rizen | ok, i think i have a solution to the caching problem that won't be too heavy | 23:46 |
| @rizen | if we set Cache-Control: must-revalidate | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | sweet | 23:47 |
| @rizen | in all of our headers | 23:47 |
| @rizen | the browser will then send a request back to webgui on each page view that contains: | 23:47 |
| @rizen | If-Modified-Since: Sun, 14 May 2006 21:35:14 GMT | 23:47 |
| @rizen | We can check for the existence of the If-Modified-Since variable | 23:47 |
| @rizen | and also to see if the user is logged in | 23:48 |
| @rizen | if they are not logged in, then we return a "304 Not Modified" response | 23:48 |
| @rizen | If they are logged in, we return the content of the page | 23:48 |
| @rizen | by doing that simple check..it's a little harder on the server (than not checking at all) because it still has to instanciate the session | 23:49 |
| @rizen | but it's not nearly so hard as actually instanciating an asset | 23:49 |
| @rizen | to see if it has been modified | 23:49 |
| @rizen | and because we short circuit the request | 23:50 |
| @rizen | we can either send back content (if the user is logged in), or only send back that HTTP header (if they aren't logged in) | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | it sounds like all the changes will be localized to the mod_perl handler | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | and maybe Session/Http | 23:51 |
| @rizen | i think so | 23:51 |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@242.sub-75-206-99.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 23:51 | |
| @rizen | can anyone poke holes in that plan? | 23:52 |
| @rizen | see any downsides? | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | has anyone ever checked to see how the other CMS'es handle it? | 23:55 |
| -!- streamlines [n=streamli@wsip-68-110-129-224.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #webgui | 23:57 | |
| --- Day changed Tue Mar 06 2007 | ||
| +MrHairgrease | rizen: sounds good | 00:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | perldreamer: what neighbors and which riots | 00:01 |
| @rizen | i looked at a handful | 00:02 |
| @rizen | and almost none of them implement cache control at all | 00:02 |
| @rizen | the only one i found that does it, is Drupal, and then only by manually patching the system via instructions in a mailing list post | 00:02 |
| @rizen | we seem to be the only ones following the W3's rules for cache control headers | 00:03 |
| @rizen | which happen to be the RFC for the HTTP 1.1 protocol too | 00:03 |
| @rizen | a couple of the other ones also mention enabling it using Apache directives...but they have no direct control over it in the code | 00:04 |
| @rizen | they just either force it on/off for certain file types, or serverwide | 00:04 |
| @rizen | i also found an article about cache control that said that most CMS's don't implement cache control because the larger they are the harder it is to implement | 00:05 |
| @rizen | which seems to back up what i found when ii looked at a few others | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I was just thinking we should make sure we aren't missing something else easy. | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | The idea sounds good to me. | 00:05 |
| @rizen | well the "easy" solution is to just not implement cache control | 00:06 |
| @rizen | that seems to be the approach everyone else takes | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | plus, fully functional W3C HTTP compliance might be another good selling point for wG. | 00:06 |
| -!- snapcount changed the topic of #webgui to: New Contest Open -- Acme Code Contribution -- Win $$$ and Karma (www.plainblack.com/wcc) | 00:06 | |
| @rizen | ok...since there don't seem to be any dissenting opinions, i'm going to go ahead and implement this | 00:07 |
| @rizen | i'll of course test before committing to make sure it does what i think it's going to do | 00:07 |
| @rizen | i set up HTTP::Proxy to monitor the headers between my dev server and my browser to make sure they're sending the right things back and forth | 00:08 |
| * perlDreamer gets sent to the showers | 00:09 | |
| -!- TheSeparator [i=Seppie@cp43027-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has quit [] | 00:29 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [] | 00:40 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=snapcoun@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 00:41 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=snapcoun@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit ["Snak 5.1.5 IRC For Macintosh - http://www.snak.com"] | 00:51 | |
| Radix_ | http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/google-summer-of-code#idTKMZsMg-ffjxAfxkJDs4SA | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | It's a great idea! | 01:00 |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui | 02:19 | |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] | 02:23 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has quit [""""] | 02:29 | |
| Radix-wrk | rizen: Seems unfair if WebGUI gets rejected and yet Drupal/Plone/etc can all participate. Any reason as to why it was rejected for GSOC in the past? | 02:42 |
| -!- streamlines [n=streamli@wsip-68-110-129-224.ga.at.cox.net] has quit ["Leaving"] | 03:16 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui | 03:20 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 03:20 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."] | 03:31 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui | 03:56 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 03:56 | |
| -!- streamlines [n=streamli@wsip-68-110-129-224.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #webgui | 04:04 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI | 04:07 | |
| Radix-wrk | http://youtube.com/watch?v=sMp8mSRiHow | 04:14 |
| Radix-wrk | "Violence of the Lambs" | 04:14 |
| @preaction | that actually looks pretty decent | 04:31 |
| @preaction | for a B-movie horror-style | 04:31 |
| streamlines | preactin, several days ago you pointed me to mod_rewrite. Indeed black magic. My ssl problem at the time turned out to be a typo in a conf file. Now however.... | 04:41 |
| streamlines | Now I've got a new question: similar topic. Seen this asked over and over in the forums ...I just need a clue to go on....not asking for support | 04:42 |
| streamlines | When a page is set to "encrypt content", which rewrite hooks/directives best to use to make sure that.... | 04:43 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 04:44 | |
| streamlines | non-https pages navigated to subsequently are not served https | 04:44 |
| streamlines | Just using default WG setups, navs, etc. The goal is to have only pages under /mymenuitem server https. But seems like matching /mymenuitem would be cheating. | 04:46 |
| streamlines | how best to do this for any/all pages flagged in WG admin as "encrypt content?" | 04:46 |
| streamlines | sorry typo above: should read "pages under /mymenuitem *SERVED* https"? | 04:47 |
| @preaction | the reason that the encrypt content flag doesn't work with the WRE is because HTTPS is only handled by the proxy, the proxy does an unencrypted request to the mod_perl instance to get the page's data | 04:47 |
| @preaction | so to fix that bug, you'd have to find a way to figure out if any part of the request is being served HTTPS | 04:48 |
| @preaction | or rather, that everything up to and including the mod_proxy request is being served HTTPS | 04:48 |
| @preaction | in other words: you're going to probably have to do what you want on a per-case basis | 04:49 |
| @preaction | i believe as part of the 0.8 cycle of WRE development will be a web-based GUI configuration tool, as part of that tool might a "Force SSL for these pages" utility | 04:50 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui | 04:50 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 04:50 | |
| +perlDreamer | stupid wireless notebook card | 04:50 |
| streamlines | I read that. what about a rewrite rule using some env vars like referrer, is subreq, etc? no one's done that? | 04:50 |
| @preaction | referer isn't changed by the proxy? as for others, if you can find a way to fix that bug, i'm sure the community would be very grateful | 04:51 |
| streamlines | I'm not sure if this is good ettiquete to ask, but a usere here several days ago was working in the same direction. cap10morgan, I racall. | 04:52 |
| streamlines | is he/she a regular here, or maybe has an ID on the lists I can contact thru? | 04:52 |
| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan posts on the boards sometimes | 04:53 |
| streamlines | and the only way to contact is to post back to the board? | 04:53 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe | 04:53 |
| +perlDreamer | probably | 04:53 |
| streamlines | I mean, would it make sens to reply to a thread several months old? | 04:54 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 04:54 |
| @preaction | it's still relevant, it's still a bug | 04:54 |
| streamlines | I'm still all very new at the community thing. | 04:54 |
| +perlDreamer | the IRC logger hasn't caught up yet, what's the bug? | 04:54 |
| +perlDreamer | streamlines: you're doing fine. If you're out of line, we'll let you know | 04:54 |
| @preaction | WRE doesn't work with WebGUI's "Force Encrypt" toggle on a page | 04:54 |
| streamlines | OK. thanks. | 04:54 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, that's a good one. | 04:54 |
| +perlDreamer | offhand, I'd say IRC rule #1 is don't bash people. | 04:55 |
| +perlDreamer | rule #2 would be understand that not everything that you think is a bug is a bug | 04:55 |
| +perlDreamer | rule #3 would be just ask, and don't worry | 04:55 |
| streamlines | But that's not really what I'm hoping to address. I'm not sure Id call that a bug, in that I believe that is quite advanced....and probably can be accomplished with someone wh oknows mod_rewrie/mod_proxy well. | 04:55 |
| streamlines | funny you just said rule 2 I wasn't readling (have to look at keyboard) .... | 04:56 |
| streamlines | and I was ack'ing that I don't really think its a bug. | 04:56 |
| streamlines | it just takes above-average coding/config to get by. | 04:56 |
| +perlDreamer | in any case, you did the right thing. | 04:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd agree with preaction that it's a WRE bug | 04:57 |
| +perlDreamer | since wG works one way stand-alone, and another way with the WRE | 04:57 |
| +perlDreamer | and if you can fix it, all the better. | 04:57 |
| @preaction | i think it might be a WebGUI bug. in essence, force encrypt would not work with any sort of advanced proxy system | 04:57 |
| @preaction | since it tries to detect from the environment, iirc | 04:58 |
| streamlines | yes, yes, of course you guys define waht bugs are...I'm still monkeying aroud with external compenents....after readin through apache docs, and googling for some time I KNOW i can use rewrite rules to get what I want...I just not sure how. | 04:59 |
| streamlines | what you mean iirc, preaction? | 04:59 |
| @preaction | perlbot iirc | 04:59 |
| perlbot | If I Remember Correctly | 04:59 |
| streamlines | aha. | 05:00 |
| +perlDreamer | be back in 30, have to put kids to bed | 05:00 |
| streamlines | perlbot snack | 05:00 |
| @preaction | botsnack, perlbot | 05:00 |
| perlbot | OMG thank youuuuuu!! :-)!! | 05:00 |
| @preaction | that one changes every time i check it | 05:00 |
| @preaction | perlbot relearn botsnack as I'm not your prank monkey | 05:00 |
| perlbot | relearned entry for botsnack | 05:00 |
| streamlines | :-) memory bad. | 05:00 |
| streamlines | I thought you had to "address" him ie call perlbot first! | 05:01 |
| @preaction | you can | 05:01 |
| @preaction | perlbot botsnack | 05:01 |
| perlbot | I'm not your prank monkey | 05:01 |
| @preaction | or you can postfix it | 05:01 |
| @preaction | hello, perlbot | 05:01 |
| perlbot | hello preaction | 05:01 |
| streamlines | but not midsentence, must end or begin eith "perlbot" | 05:01 |
| @preaction | anyway: forcing HTTPS using Rewrite Rules | 05:01 |
| streamlines | ? | 05:01 |
| @preaction | correct | 05:02 |
| streamlines | mmm.... | 05:02 |
| streamlines | I've forced the https part... | 05:02 |
| streamlines | I just now want to force back to http coming from https. | 05:02 |
| @preaction | the usual answer to that is "it's not bad to keep people in https" | 05:03 |
| @preaction | otherwise, in your <VirtualHost *:443>, add a RewriteCond !^/ssl_page # followed by: RewriteRule /(.+) http://yourhost.com/$1 [R,L] | 05:04 |
| @preaction | basically: your RewriteCond says "Only run the next RewriteRule if this is true, the condition being the user is NOT in the part of the site you designated as SSL" | 05:04 |
| streamlines | I've heard thatRE: ssl not bad. and whatif site is be very high traffic? i.e. top hit on google | 05:05 |
| @preaction | if you're being slashdotted, you probably will have bigger problems than the performance hit for the SSL encrypt/decrypt routines | 05:05 |
| streamlines | Yes. I saw the "odd" but logical sequence of processing with the rewrite conds | 05:05 |
| @preaction | but still, the above thing (or something similar) should work | 05:05 |
| @preaction | if you want more portions to be allowed SSL, just add [OR] to the end of the RewriteCond, and add another RewriteCond | 05:06 |
| Radix-wrk | We're using SSL with the WRE, but we prettymuch use SSL for everything from the point the user logs in | 05:06 |
| @preaction | look at the Apache2.0 docs for more information on that | 05:06 |
| Radix-wrk | I just set up SSL in the modproxy config | 05:07 |
| @preaction | had a client do, i swear, 40 different RewriteCond/RewriteRule pairs, where the RewriteRule was exactly the same for each different RewriteCond. I laughed | 05:07 |
| Radix-wrk | and ticking the box in webgui to use encrypted login worked fine | 05:07 |
| streamlines | I wasn't using a REwrite cond yet. I thought that https:// prefix would automatically send to vhost:443, so I figured I wasn't needing a cond (since I was happily arriving at my https pages "that were told to encrypt content" | 05:08 |
| Radix-wrk | our rewrites are much the same for the vhost:443 as they are for vhost:80 | 05:09 |
| streamlines | YEs, my :80 and :443 look almost identical. What about a ProxyPassRevers after to rewrite rule? essential to get back to http? | 05:10 |
| Radix-wrk | ProxyPassRevers? not ever heard of that | 05:11 |
| @preaction | streamlines: maybe put your config in a pastebin? | 05:11 |
| @preaction | pastebin? | 05:11 |
| gooeybot | i guess pastebin is magic 8ball says "Try again" | 05:11 |
| @preaction | pastebin? | 05:11 |
| gooeybot | pastebin is probably http://pastebin.ca | 05:11 |
| streamlines | sorry bad typing. I'll find a pastebin. | 05:12 |
| streamlines | ha. pastebin: http://www.pastebin.ca/383110 | 05:15 |
| Radix-wrk | bout to head off for lunch - but my (working) SSL config is here: http://pastebin.ca/383108 - it's not perfect as the user always stays in SSL after logging in, but it works for us. | 05:16 |
| streamlines | Thansks Radix-wrk. Enjoy. that's exactly what mine does. I just wish it wouldn't. If you folks know how to get round this | 05:17 |
| streamlines | I mean behavior is identical...I haven't lokad at your pastebin yet. | 05:17 |
| Radix-wrk | yup.. yours looks the same as mine.. just not the proxypassreverse bit | 05:18 |
| streamlines | FRom my reading, one can use ProxyPAss (from mod_proxy) to rev proxy, but mod_rewite rules can do the same but more powerfule. | 05:19 |
| streamlines | But each time I see a proxy pass (and in many cases when I see a rewrte intended to proxy) I see a correspondey Revers rule. Maybe I'm googling on the wrong planet :-) | 05:20 |
| streamlines | ie. proxypass roughtly equiv. Rewriterule for proxy. Examples that uses either are usually followed by a "Reverse" rule. | 05:21 |
| streamlines | I'll find a link. | 05:21 |
| streamlines | http://lenya.apache.org/docs/1_2_x/tutorial/mod_proxy_and_lenya.html | 05:23 |
| @preaction | looks like PPR is a good idea, just seems superfluous in the WRE setup. I'll admit that i'm far outside my expertise on this one | 05:23 |
| streamlines | so you mean I've been studying RFC's for nothing? :-) | 05:24 |
| streamlines | just clowing. =) | 05:24 |
| @preaction | not for nothing: knowledge is knowledge :p | 05:24 |
| @preaction | looks like PPR just does some magic if the proxied site happens to send Redirect responses or otherwise | 05:25 |
| streamlines | and I thought a reverse proxy is a reverse proxy. YOu see how the one at the lenya page uses PPR? | 05:25 |
| streamlines | mmm....I wish I could read/write regexps like you guys. | 05:25 |
| @preaction | the trick is to take it slow, very slow | 05:26 |
| @preaction | also keep a good docs next to you | 05:27 |
| @preaction | perlbot perlretut | 05:27 |
| perlbot | Perl regular expressions tutorial - http://perldoc.perl.org/perlretut.html | 05:27 |
| @preaction | perlbot perlre | 05:27 |
| perlbot | Perl regular expressions - http://www.perldoc.com/perl5.8.0/pod/perlre.html | 05:27 |
| streamlines | Kinda like reading music. | 05:30 |
| streamlines | Takes time to get into it. | 05:30 |
| @preaction | exactly. it's a lot of information packed into a very very small area | 05:30 |
| streamlines | I was hoping WG would be the consultants rapid-deploy swiss army knoife for dozens of sites. As the electric guitar, WG rocks. | 05:32 |
| @preaction | give it time, for this client project i wrote about a half-dozen completely divergent applications in the span of a month | 05:36 |
| streamlines | I always regretted not taking time to sweat thru the guitar lessons and to let the fingertips bleed thru practice. Been busy. M y problem is I don't really have the time. I've got some funds tho. | 05:36 |
| streamlines | Although maybe that won't even help, in this case? I mean, sounds like its a bug on the horizon to be fixed? | 05:37 |
| @preaction | the force SSL thing? | 05:37 |
| @preaction | i think it's going to be supplanted by the WRE's new GUI admin thing. or something | 05:38 |
| streamlines | yes. Not just force, mind you. I got SSL working instantly when I tole WG encrypt content. | 05:38 |
| streamlines | I'm trying to setup a store--it not the login time that matters. Its the parts when users browse thru and add stuff to cart etc. | 05:39 |
| @preaction | really only the checkout part when they enter their credit card matters, and that's an operation, meaning they could potentially access it from any page they wanted | 05:39 |
| @preaction | try: http://yoursite.com/?op=checkout | 05:40 |
| streamlines | yes. except perception is key. You've seen the new "green titelbar ssl extended validation thing? | 05:40 |
| @preaction | yeah | 05:40 |
| streamlines | for most users, there' isnt any more enryption---really. | 05:41 |
| streamlines | not practically. | 05:41 |
| streamlines | but their titlebar goes green. | 05:41 |
| @preaction | or yellow in Firefox? | 05:41 |
| @preaction | maybe i haven't seen it | 05:41 |
| streamlines | perception. green/yellow something like that. sells certificates like hot bread. VErisign happy. | 05:42 |
| @preaction | right, the illusion of safety, but it's what's necessary | 05:42 |
| streamlines | the stats suggest that people will QUICKY,. readiyl buy ie checkout | 05:42 |
| @preaction | so the problem is forcing out of SSL? | 05:42 |
| streamlines | if they feel safe. I say, let them feel safe once they enter the store. Tradeoff is that the whole store has the "saftey feel" | 05:43 |
| streamlines | not just when cc data is entered. | 05:43 |
| @preaction | which isn't a problem. anything to get the customer more willing to open their wallet | 05:44 |
| streamlines | plus one could alwasy be snooping/sniffing/profiling their surfing. they fear technologly. yes, agreed. | 05:44 |
| streamlines | so I was sayin taht I'll already pay a "toll' by having the "store" ssl, | 05:45 |
| streamlines | I'd rather not have the rest of all the other pages. | 05:45 |
| streamlines | just a preference ' really. | 05:45 |
| @preaction | it's minimal. processor cycles are far less expensive than programmer time :p | 05:45 |
| streamlines | sometimes we have to listen to the client too. | 05:45 |
| streamlines | :-) | 05:45 |
| @preaction | oh, they want it? | 05:45 |
| streamlines | I'm tryingto figure how to get them to pay PB to do this. | 05:46 |
| @preaction | i can convince a fellow developer, it's clients that i tend to just swallow my objections | 05:46 |
| streamlines | they got sold on the green bar. | 05:46 |
| @preaction | i can find ways to do some really evil stuff, i just dont like it | 05:46 |
| streamlines | quick and dirty. how much time , you estimate? | 05:46 |
| @preaction | to write the rewrite rules? given an exact list of directories that need to be SSL and that need to not be SSL? | 05:47 |
| @preaction | what other criterion? | 05:48 |
| streamlines | Y'know, its the whoel list of directorieds thing I dont like. | 05:48 |
| @preaction | you just want anything that's not marked as "encrypt content" to be forced out of SSL if it's in SSL | 05:49 |
| streamlines | Thats it. | 05:49 |
| @preaction | and it needs to work for the WRE | 05:49 |
| streamlines | precisely. well, the box I've installed is WRE. | 05:50 |
| streamlines | WE could reinstall, if that would make life easire for everyone. | 05:50 |
| @preaction | nono, just defining the parameters | 05:50 |
| @preaction | okay, from the code: it looks like the encryptPage property merely changes the URL returned by getUrl | 05:52 |
| streamlines | I'm already out of pocket and behind schedule...so the fastest way out is my thing at this point. | 05:53 |
| streamlines | I haven't been into the perl yet. getUrl? | 05:53 |
| @preaction | how much Perl do you know? | 05:53 |
| streamlines | I've been messing with the environmental things. Dunno how to define that. Covered Larry's Learning Perl. | 05:54 |
| streamlines | Have most of the reference material., | 05:54 |
| @preaction | this is theoretically a four-line change to the code, starting in lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm line 1074 | 05:55 |
| streamlines | O'reilly mostly. writeen a few things here and there just to process logfiles or...eh? | 05:55 |
| @preaction | i mean, you could patch your webgui to do what you want it to | 05:56 |
| streamlines | But isn't code changing strongly discouraged? what about upgrade paths etc. (I know I sadi fastest way). | 05:56 |
| @preaction | keep a patch | 05:56 |
| @preaction | er.. a diff... i forget the exact syntax | 05:56 |
| streamlines | Ok. I think I could handle that. | 05:57 |
| @preaction | diff -un WebGUI_7.3.10 WebGUI_Modified | 05:57 |
| @preaction | or something | 05:57 |
| streamlines | I'll hunt through and then consult with PB if I run into trouble--you think---two hour minimum can cover it? | 05:58 |
| @preaction | you could use that patch and attach it to an RFE, with a message saying that perhaps it should be a site setting or a configuration value ("Minimal SSL" or something) | 05:58 |
| @preaction | depending on how it's decided to be implemented, it seems fairly simple | 05:58 |
| @preaction | the sales dept. would know more | 05:58 |
| streamlines | phew. Maybe upcoming in version 7.4? | 05:59 |
| @preaction | if you submit an RFE, or if there exists an RFE for it already, pump some karma into it | 05:59 |
| @preaction | or post to the RFE what i've told you, the four-line change starting at 1074 of WebGUI::Asset | 05:59 |
| @preaction | or if you fix it yourself, post your patch. if JT approves, it'll probably be added right away to 7.4, since it is such a small thing really | 06:00 |
| streamlines | I don't have much karma just about hundred. OK, I'll give it a shot. BTW, the webcast tomorrow is 10:00AM *CST?* | 06:01 |
| streamlines | thak you for pointing that way. I can tell the RFE's are important. how do they help PB? just directional, give the users what they want type feedbackl? | 06:02 |
| @preaction | yes, CST | 06:02 |
| @preaction | as a rule: for every minor version (7.X), the highest karma RFE is implemented. it also, yes, provides feedback for what people want to see in WebGUI | 06:03 |
| @preaction | we're getting confused here: WebGUI is WebGUI, Plainblack just gets paid to do WebGUI ;) | 06:03 |
| @preaction | as the community re-organizes, hopefully we'll get some more community devs | 06:04 |
| streamlines | Oh, i see. Gotcha. When I get WG to work I'll post all over cyberspace. | 06:05 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 06:05 |
| streamlines | SIcen I typically thing I don't know what I'm doing, I tend to keep quite. you'll notinc that even here, I just lurk. what could I possibly contribute? But if I do fixx this | 06:05 |
| +perlDreamer | the current community devs are getting tired | 06:06 |
| streamlines | <spellling> | 06:06 |
| streamlines | I'll be sure to tell. | 06:06 |
| streamlines | yell. | 06:06 |
| @preaction | there are plenty of bugs on the buglist | 06:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I know | 06:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I've fixed 10 of them since Wednesday | 06:06 |
| @preaction | i'm giving streamlines some things he could help contribute ;) | 06:07 |
| +perlDreamer | oh | 06:07 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, streamlines, fix some bugs! | 06:07 |
| @preaction | some of the code documentation needs auditing | 06:07 |
| +perlDreamer | we always need more API tests | 06:07 |
| @preaction | unit tests | 06:07 |
| gooeybot | unit tests are an amazing thing for finding bugs. | 06:07 |
| @preaction | yes | 06:07 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction's car needs washing | 06:07 |
| +perlDreamer | wait a minute | 06:08 |
| @preaction | you have no idea | 06:08 |
| @preaction | if i had a man-servant, i'd be able to work more! ;) | 06:08 |
| +perlDreamer | hackers of the world, unite! | 06:08 |
| streamlines | Thanks folks. I try to to take without giving. I'll do the whatever I can. but its tough when one feels like one knows absolutely nothing. | 06:08 |
| streamlines | <sp: not to take> | 06:08 |
| +perlDreamer | good night, guys | 06:09 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."] | 06:09 | |
| -!- preaction changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.3.10 | WRE 0.7.2 ][ New Contest Open -- Acme Code Contribution -- Win $$$ and Karma (www.plainblack.com/wcc) ][ Plainblack Needs You! Perl dev wanted: http://xrl.us/u7c5 | 06:09 | |
| streamlines | I'm off to bed too. | 06:09 |
| streamlines | Cheers preaction. I'll be luirking tomorrow. | 06:09 |
| @preaction | we'll be here | 06:10 |
| streamlines | botsnack perlbot | 06:10 |
| perlbot | I'm not your prank monkey | 06:10 |
| streamlines | :=) | 06:10 |
| -!- streamlines [n=streamli@wsip-68-110-129-224.ga.at.cox.net] has quit ["Leaving"] | 06:11 | |
| -!- preaction changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.3.11 | WRE 0.7.2 ][ New Contest Open -- Acme Code Contribution -- Win $$$ and Karma (www.plainblack.com/wcc) ][ Plainblack Needs You! Perl dev wanted: http://xrl.us/u7c5 | 08:25 | |
| @preaction | i so wish i could enter these contests. i think a good one would be a "fortune" asset, that you could use ^AssetProxy(); on in your style template, or whatever | 08:26 |
| @preaction | however, make it generic enough to be "Grab output from whatever system call", fortune being the default | 08:27 |
| @preaction | change \n to <br>, and you're set | 08:27 |
| gooeybot | preaction: that doesn't look right | 08:27 |
| -!- gooeybot [n=gooeybot@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 08:27 | |
| @preaction | whoa | 08:27 |
| -!- gooeybot [n=gooeybot@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 08:27 | |
| -!- Dapperedodo [n=joeri@194.171.50.114] has joined #webgui | 08:31 | |
| * Radix-wrk wonders if he could steal preaction's idea and enter it in. | 09:28 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] | 10:06 | |
| -!- dodo [n=joeri@a82-93-238-59.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui | 10:13 | |
| -!- Dapperedodo [n=joeri@194.171.50.114] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 10:30 | |
| -!- pjesi [n=pjesi@nix.is] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 12:19 | |
| -!- pjesi [n=pjesi@perl.is] has joined #webgui | 12:19 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 14:01 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@139.sub-75-207-54.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI | 15:44 | |
| SDuensin | Good morning. | 15:45 |
| pjesi | morning | 15:48 |
| SDuensin | Morning it is. :-) | 15:51 |
| pjesi | actually it is afternoon | 15:52 |
| SDuensin | Bum. :-P | 15:53 |
| pjesi | :) | 15:56 |
| rjacobsen | good morning all - is there a way to export products from one webgui site and import them into another webgui site without having to enter them all in manually all over again on each site? | 16:07 |
| * SDuensin wishes he knew. | 16:08 | |
| pjesi | rjacobsen: create a package of the Asset, then send it from one server to the other and use the import package on the other server | 16:09 |
| rjacobsen | i know how to do that - but a product is not an asset | 16:10 |
| rjacobsen | i see no metadata tab on it - nor import option | 16:10 |
| rjacobsen | or export | 16:10 |
| rjacobsen | products added via the "Products" or "Add a new product" link do not seem to be true assets per say and i cannot find a metadata tab for any of them to be able to make a package | 16:11 |
| pjesi | sorry | 16:13 |
| rjacobsen | if you edit a product the only tabs are "properties" and "actions" and i do not see where they are being placed in the asset tree | 16:13 |
| pjesi | have no idea | 16:13 |
| rjacobsen | ok then maybe you can tell me how to completely duplicate a site in webgui without using the package method | 16:27 |
| pjesi | mysqldump and tar the uploads folder | 16:34 |
| rjacobsen | man there has GOT to be a way to export out products | 16:35 |
| @rizen | there is...wait until we turn products into assets sometime this summer | 16:36 |
| @rizen | =) | 16:36 |
| rjacobsen | that doesnt fix my current problem :( | 16:37 |
| @rizen | i didn't say it did | 16:37 |
| @rizen | but if you do have time travel technology...then i twill | 16:37 |
| rjacobsen | rofl | 16:37 |
| rjacobsen | ok maybe a hack but where is the product info placed when you "add a product"? so maybe i can copy and paste somehow | 16:38 |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@194.171.50.114] has joined #webgui | 16:41 | |
| @rizen | | productParameterOptions | | 16:42 |
| @rizen | | productParameters | | 16:42 |
| @rizen | | productVariants | | 16:42 |
| @rizen | | products | 16:42 |
| rjacobsen | ok here is an idea | 16:45 |
| rjacobsen | is there a macro that could call the product price and product number from a product wobject i created? | 16:45 |
| rjacobsen | if there is - that would fix my problem | 16:46 |
| -!- dodo [n=joeri@a82-93-238-59.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 17:01 | |
| -!- ckotil [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has quit ["Lost terminal"] | 17:07 | |
| -!- nutrino [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has joined #webgui | 17:13 | |
| -!- nutrino is now known as ckotil | 17:13 | |
| ckotil | http://i6.tinypic.com/2hpod9j.jpg | 17:36 |
| ckotil | eclipse pic | 17:36 |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@194.171.50.114] has left #webgui [] | 17:58 | |
| -!- ScottD [i=40c6c7fb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-ec9a40ff901bf507] has joined #webgui | 18:01 | |
| ScottD | Hey all - SDuensin here. Is the webinar full? I'm not able to reconnect. | 18:01 |
| pjesi | To join the Meeting, please use one of the following supported operating systems: | 18:03 |
| SDuensin | Meeting is Full says my machine. | 18:04 |
| SDuensin | (The machine with the projector can't connect at all.) | 18:05 |
| @rizen | it's not full | 18:05 |
| @rizen | we can have 1000 participants | 18:05 |
| SDuensin | Look again. | 18:05 |
| SDuensin | When I was on before, it said the max was 11. | 18:05 |
| pjesi | why is it mac/win only? | 18:05 |
| SDuensin | "This meeting is full. Please contact the meeting organizer." | 18:07 |
| ckotil | is it going on now? | 18:07 |
| @rizen | sorry dude...we were told that the meeting was supposed to allow 1000 participants | 18:07 |
| @rizen | there's no way to fix it now | 18:07 |
| SDuensin | Crap. I was in, too. Tried to switch to a machine with a projector on it. | 18:08 |
| * SDuensin sighs. | 18:08 | |
| @rizen | we're going to leave | 18:08 |
| @rizen | to give room for you | 18:08 |
| SDuensin | I'm in! | 18:09 |
| ckotil | im in. | 18:09 |
| ckotil | theres only 10 attendees | 18:09 |
| ckotil | where do i get sound from? must i call in? | 18:10 |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 18:11 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ | 18:11 | |
| @rizen | yes | 18:12 |
| @rizen | you must call in | 18:12 |
| ckotil | k | 18:13 |
| ckotil | damn, i dont have long distance axx | 18:14 |
| ckotil | lame. | 18:14 |
| * ckotil drops off | 18:14 | |
| -!- ScottD [i=40c6c7fb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-ec9a40ff901bf507] has quit ["CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)"] | 18:15 | |
| * snapcount sings a jingle "meow meow meow meow meow meow" | 18:29 | |
| @rizen | snapcount...please call xtopher | 18:30 |
| @rizen | he has a bunch of priority bug fixes for you | 18:30 |
| @snapcount | ok | 18:31 |
| @rizen | i'll work with you on the RTE related ones | 18:31 |
| pjesi | any of those have to do with feeds in Calendar.pm? | 18:39 |
| -!- TheSeparator [n=none@cp43027-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has joined #webgui | 18:40 | |
| TheSeparator | How was the WebGUI live experience ? | 18:40 |
| SDuensin | Other than I wish it had VoIP, very nice. | 18:49 |
| ckotil | ya. | 18:49 |
| ckotil | or voice built in | 18:50 |
| ckotil | like i was expecting. | 18:50 |
| ckotil | im just hatin on gotomypc | 18:50 |
| SDuensin | Well, it hated the laptop we tried to use. | 18:52 |
| SDuensin | Managed to make it work on my desktop machine. | 18:52 |
| TheSeparator | Is such a Webinar recorded ? Can it be replayed for those is very different time-zones ? | 18:57 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui | 18:57 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ | 18:57 | |
| SDuensin | The site says they plan on selling them on DVD. | 18:58 |
| TheSeparator | Saw that but this would be time consuming, in Oz and Japan people are asleep.... | 18:59 |
| ckotil | it was just flash, or something similiar. should be possible to just post online. but i dunno | 19:00 |
| ckotil | we use this adobe product here at my edu, for online classes and training sessions. so flash files get posted. they rock | 19:00 |
| TheSeparator | did they use adobe presenter ? | 19:01 |
| ckotil | they used gotomypc.com | 19:01 |
| TheSeparator | understood, thanks. | 19:01 |
| ckotil | we use adobe acrobat pro, formerly known as breeze | 19:01 |
| ckotil | acrobrat pro connect* | 19:01 |
| ckotil | stpuid name. | 19:01 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 19:17 | |
| @snapcount | mmmmm lunch | 19:34 |
| @snapcount | anyone have any ideas yet for the acme contest? | 19:34 |
| @snapcount | if you're just starting out with perl or developing in WebGUI it's a great way to learn | 19:34 |
| @snapcount | I'd like to see someone write a game | 19:35 |
| pjesi | does it have to be totally useless? | 19:36 |
| @snapcount | no | 19:37 |
| @snapcount | but it can be | 19:37 |
| @snapcount | btw I have a strong interest in coding for fun so I'll help anyone out with perl and webgui questions for this | 19:38 |
| @snapcount | actually I had an idea for a hide and seek game that could be fun to do | 19:43 |
| @snapcount | it would have an asset component and a workflow activity component | 19:43 |
| @snapcount | the asset would be the game interface where you start it, track scores, etc | 19:44 |
| @snapcount | and the workflow would randomly hide a piece of content in the site somewhere | 19:44 |
| @snapcount | the content would have a link you click when you find it to tell the asset you've won | 19:44 |
| @snapcount | at which point it would kick off the workflow to hide it in a new spot | 19:44 |
| @snapcount | the game its self is probably for a five year old but it would be a good programming exercise for a beginner | 19:45 |
| @snapcount | a really simple one that would be cool would be a magic eight ball for the dashboard | 19:51 |
| Hinrik | what could be wrong if calendar feeds aren't being updated? | 19:52 |
| @snapcount | do you have any errors in your webgui log? | 19:52 |
| Hinrik | hm | 19:52 |
| @snapcount | that workflow should log errors if something goes wrong | 19:52 |
| @snapcount | activity rather | 19:52 |
| @snapcount | Hinrik: has it ever updated? | 19:54 |
| Hinrik | yes, I added a few events, but only the first two are in the ical feed | 19:54 |
| @snapcount | oh wait | 19:54 |
| @snapcount | are you talking about feeds generated by the calendar or feeds being brought into the calendar | 19:55 |
| Hinrik | genereated | 19:55 |
| Hinrik | -a | 19:55 |
| @snapcount | ahh | 19:55 |
| @snapcount | I was talking about pulling them in | 19:55 |
| Hinrik | Here's the calendar http://arcticportal.org/calendar/caff | 19:55 |
| Hinrik | add ?func=ical for the feed | 19:55 |
| @snapcount | yeah I just tried it... only got two of your events | 19:56 |
| @snapcount | there are no errors in you webgui.log file? | 19:57 |
| Hinrik | this is the only thing that might be relevant: | 19:57 |
| Hinrik | Caught exception executing workflow activity pbwfactivity0000000006 for instance O0i5VA7zhzURUdeEQhNzPg which reported ModPerl::Util::exit: (120000) exit was called at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/ErrorHandler.pm line 229 | 19:57 |
| @snapcount | well I just spotted a different bug | 19:58 |
| Hinrik | hm? | 19:58 |
| @snapcount | the ical feed should be processing macros before sending the output | 19:59 |
| @snapcount | it's not | 19:59 |
| Hinrik | yeah | 19:59 |
| @snapcount | that should be very easy to fix though | 19:59 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui | 19:59 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 19:59 | |
| Hinrik | how so? | 19:59 |
| @snapcount | so that error doesn't tell me much | 19:59 |
| @snapcount | is there anything above that error? | 19:59 |
| @snapcount | you just pass a reference of the content to the WebGUI::Macro::process I think it is | 20:00 |
| @snapcount | or evaluate or something | 20:00 |
| @snapcount | I'd have to look at the API | 20:00 |
| @snapcount | perlDreamer: want to help me work on the dbslave bug | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | yup, have to use a reference | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | snapcount, yeah! | 20:01 |
| @snapcount | sweet | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | what can I do? | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | it's his dbslave | 20:01 |
| Hinrik | the line above that error has something to do with an asset I'm writing (unrelated to calendars) so it's not related | 20:01 |
| @snapcount | first can you duplicate it b/c I cant | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | neither can I | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I think he's got a bad slave | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | that's why I wrote the script | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | do you have login rights? | 20:01 |
| @snapcount | is there an instance of that asset on the same page as your calendar? | 20:01 |
| Hinrik | no | 20:01 |
| @snapcount | yeah but it's a live system so I can't poke around | 20:02 |
| @snapcount | besides I don't know much about the way they have it configured | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | the script I wrote runs stand-alone. it would be safe to run on a live system | 20:02 |
| @snapcount | ok... | 20:02 |
| @snapcount | so we need to make it handle the problem gracefully | 20:03 |
| @snapcount | that's our bug now | 20:03 |
| @snapcount | but I need to recreate a failure in order to do that | 20:03 |
| @snapcount | ideas? | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | it's the same kind of bug as the SQLForm one | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | we need exceptions | 20:03 |
| @snapcount | indeed | 20:03 |
| @snapcount | but we don't have them yet | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | well, to handle it gracefully, we have to eval | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | let's see if it can be duplicated, first | 20:04 |
| @snapcount | I currently have two databases running on the same server | 20:05 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 20:06 |
| @snapcount | I guess I could try deleting it or something and see what the result is | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | set up a slave with a bad host dsn, that should give you a connect error | 20:06 |
| @snapcount | but that should be the same as a bad DSN in the config | 20:06 |
| @snapcount | yeah but that is already handled isn't it? | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 20:07 |
| @snapcount | eh | 20:07 |
| @snapcount | well that sounds like a good place to start then | 20:07 |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 20:11 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 20:11 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 20:11 | |
| +perlDreamer | I used the Session.t test script to duplicate the error | 20:13 |
| +perlDreamer | with this dsn: DBI:mysql:mywebgui;host=192.168.104.202 | 20:13 |
| +perlDreamer | (that IP doesn't exist on my network) | 20:13 |
| +perlDreamer | it times out for a very, very long time | 20:13 |
| @snapcount | so the problem comes back to the fatal we throw | 20:15 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 20:16 |
| @snapcount | meaning we can't trap it | 20:16 |
| @snapcount | ok | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | well, technically DBI throws the failure | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I think we have a few choices: | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) Tell him to fix his slaves | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) Trap connect inside an eval | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | if the eval fails, return self->db instead | 20:17 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, and not instantiating all 3 slaves at the same time would be good, too | 20:17 |
| @snapcount | ok, I'm going to try and reproduce like you described and see what I can come up with | 20:18 |
| rjacobsen | excuse me (sorry for interrupting) is there a macro in webgui that would call the price and product number from a product wobject? | 20:18 |
| -!- gooeybot [n=gooeybot@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 20:18 | |
| +perlDreamer | rjacobsen: no | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | it wouldn't be hard to write, though | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | pass it the assetId/URL | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | instance the Asset | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | use ->get to grab and return the data you want | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | 10-15 lines with error checking | 20:19 |
| rjacobsen | (not to be stupid) how do i instance the asset? | 20:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Inside Asset.pm, check out new, newByUrl and newByDynamicClass | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | they are all object creators | 20:21 |
| rjacobsen | ok | 20:21 |
| rjacobsen | thanks | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | You could use the Page macro as an example | 20:21 |
| rjacobsen | allright thanks | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | Although it only grabs stuff out of the current asset from the session var | 20:21 |
| @snapcount | my $asset = WebGUI::Asset->newByUrl($session, "/url/to/asset"); my $value = $asset->get("propertyName"); | 20:43 |
| ckotil | we have a workflow just waiting | 20:44 |
| ckotil | for no reason. | 20:44 |
| ckotil | email never got sent. | 20:44 |
| ckotil | looks like its due to this error | 20:46 |
| ckotil | 2007/03/06 18:38:38 - ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[983] - CRON: Job globalnoc.webgui.conf-cbAkterTqD1vrvHHSHI5jQ is not in our queue. | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | snapcount: is there anything else I can do to help with the dbSlave thing? | 20:47 |
| @snapcount | not right at this second | 20:48 |
| @snapcount | ok perlDreamer, I'm caught up with you now | 20:56 |
| @snapcount | right now where this stands is that it's not a bug | 20:56 |
| @snapcount | webgui is working exactly how it was intended too | 20:56 |
| @snapcount | it throws a fatal if it can't connect to a database | 20:57 |
| @snapcount | I'm sure this will change when we get exceptions (I hope) | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I concur with you | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | ("yup") | 20:58 |
| @snapcount | From what I can see the system is not very robust as you pointed out... one slave being unreachable should not cause the site to stop working | 20:58 |
| @snapcount | but it was clearly written to work that way | 20:58 |
| +perlDreamer | yes. dbSlaves must work, or you're hosed with the current code | 20:58 |
| @snapcount | I'm going to re-read the original support request to see how it was decided this was a bug to make sure I'm not missing anything | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | JT said to post it as a bug | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | You can also see from the bug that I asked xtopher if he'd validated his slaves, and he said he had. But the connect error doesn't lie. | 21:02 |
| @snapcount | well I just realized something else | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | ? | 21:03 |
| @snapcount | his problem is intermittent | 21:03 |
| @snapcount | all of the slaves are connected too in the beginning | 21:03 |
| @snapcount | so if this were a connection issue it would never work at all | 21:03 |
| @snapcount | unless the connection is intermittent | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what I think | 21:04 |
| @snapcount | but that seems unlikely | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | with the dbslave code in Session, there's no chance for intermittent behavior | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | it's all or none. | 21:04 |
| ckotil | FUCK. this has to be workflow bug | 21:04 |
| ckotil | i restarted spectre , and now i have 2 waiting workflows | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil: or a POE bug (which the workflow uses) | 21:05 |
| ckotil | trying to send this notify email | 21:05 |
| ckotil | ive got a thread going in PB support | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | The PB guys will sort it out. They're top notch. | 21:06 |
| ckotil | yah, im just angry about it | 21:06 |
| ckotil | always something. upgrade and something breaks | 21:06 |
| ckotil | which is fine as long as it isnt crucial to my operation | 21:06 |
| ckotil | ohhh, so get this. a flood of emails just went out | 21:07 |
| ckotil | the past 3 weeks of notify emails | 21:07 |
| ckotil | i just restarted spectre | 21:07 |
| ckotil | seems to me that the restart spectre bug aint fixed | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | that could very well be | 21:08 |
| @snapcount | have you updated the perl modules ckotil | 21:08 |
| @snapcount | you need to update POE, POE::Component::IKC, and HTML::Template | 21:08 |
| @snapcount | that last one is not for spectre | 21:09 |
| ckotil | :x | 21:09 |
| @snapcount | but you should update it | 21:09 |
| ckotil | i dont recall if i did. ill assume i didnt | 21:09 |
| ckotil | thx snapcount | 21:09 |
| @snapcount | just try to install them from cpan | 21:09 |
| @snapcount | if there is a newer version, it will install them | 21:09 |
| * ckotil nods. | 21:09 | |
| @snapcount | don't forget to restart modperl after the update | 21:10 |
| ckotil | ya it updated (POE) | 21:10 |
| ckotil | i cant believe over looked this | 21:10 |
| ckotil | should be in gotcha right? | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | don't feel too bad, I did too. | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | there's nothing in the gotchas about this | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I think preaction's idea about testEnvironment being a part of a WebGUI/WRE upgrade is a good one. | 21:12 |
| -!- snapcount_ [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 21:14 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 21:14 | |
| snapcount_ | am I back? | 21:15 |
| snapcount_ | wth | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | you're back | 21:15 |
| -!- snapcount_ is now known as snapcount | 21:16 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ | 21:16 | |
| @snapcount | stupid interwebs | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | there's gunk in the tubes | 21:16 |
| @snapcount | did that resolve your problems ckotil? | 21:16 |
| SDuensin | "It's a series of tubes! It's... It's not a truck you can just dump stuff on!" | 21:16 |
| @snapcount | hehe | 21:17 |
| ckotil | yeah, we're good. thanks snapcount | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | snapcount: are the new module versions in testEnvironment.pl? | 21:18 |
| @snapcount | I don't know | 21:18 |
| @snapcount | this should be in gotchas though | 21:18 |
| @snapcount | I'm pretty sure that updating those poe modules was essentially the "fix" for the spectre bugs | 21:19 |
| @snapcount | all of the code changes on our end were improvements JT made | 21:19 |
| @snapcount | afaik | 21:19 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil: which versions of POE, POE::Component::IKC got installed? | 21:21 |
| ckotil | .1904 | 21:22 |
| ckotil | Running make for G/GW/GWYN/POE-Component-IKC-0.1904.tar.gz | 21:22 |
| ckotil | hrm..wierd. | 21:23 |
| ckotil | then i read this. | 21:23 |
| ckotil | CPAN.pm: Going to build G/GW/GWYN/POE-Component-IKC-0.1904.tar.gz | 21:23 |
| ckotil | --------------------------------------------------------------- | 21:23 |
| ckotil | You currently have POE 0.3601 installed. | 21:23 |
| ckotil | It appears IKC causes POE version 0.29 - 0.36 to exercise a bug in some | 21:23 |
| ckotil | versions of Perl that prevents wheel's DESTROY from being called. This | 21:23 |
| ckotil | issue has been resolved in 0.37. If you can not upgrade your version of | 21:23 |
| ckotil | POE, IKC must work around that calls the wheel's DESTROY explicitly. You | 21:23 |
| -!- perlbot [n=perlbot@lv.pm.org] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 21:23 | |
| ckotil | may find and reactivate this by uncommenting lines after WORK AROUND in | 21:23 |
| ckotil | IKC/Server.pm, IKC/Channel.pm and IKC/Client.pm | 21:23 |
| ckotil | doesnt make much sense | 21:23 |
| -!- perlbot [n=perlbot@lv.pm.org] has joined #webgui | 21:23 | |
| +perlDreamer | there's too much guesswork in this | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: what are the canonical versions of modules required for Spectre? POE and POE::Component::IKC? | 21:24 |
| ckotil | ok POE::Component::IKC is up to date (0.1904). | 21:25 |
| ckotil | is what i have now. | 21:25 |
| @snapcount | You need to update POE first, then IKC | 21:27 |
| @snapcount | that should get rid of that warning | 21:27 |
| ckotil | o, i just did IKC | 21:28 |
| ckotil | thx | 21:28 |
| @snapcount | yep | 21:28 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit [""""] | 21:36 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] | 21:59 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 22:11 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ | 22:11 | |
| -!- TheSeparator [n=none@cp43027-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 22:25 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-122.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui | 22:42 | |
| cap10morgan | if you were going to move a bunch of collaboration systems (and their contents) from one 7.3.10 site to another, what would be the best way to do that? | 22:43 |
| -!- TheSeparator [n=none@cp43027-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has joined #webgui | 22:46 | |
| @preaction | did you try making a package | 22:51 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui | 22:54 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 22:54 | |
| rjacobsen | anyone here please help us - the sql form on our site is not working - here is the errors in the log file http://paste.biz/paste-855.html - it keeps saying when we save the sql form (Some error(s) occurred: | 23:01 |
| rjacobsen | Databaselink does not have enough privileges (Needs ALTER, CREATE, DELETE, INDEX, INSERT, SELECT, UPDATE)) | 23:01 |
| rjacobsen | but we have all those priviledges set | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | that's also the bug for a bad DSN. | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | uh, not bug, but error message | 23:03 |
| rjacobsen | we used the example directly from your help page | 23:04 |
| cap10morgan | preaction: i was thinking about doing that, but how does that work from one site to another? | 23:06 |
| @preaction | cap10morgan: works fine from what I hear | 23:06 |
| @preaction | except your subscriptions wont get migrated, but i assume you don't want that (and that would require some raw database fun time) | 23:06 |
| -!- TheSeparator [n=none@cp43027-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 23:07 | |
| pjesi | snapcount: do you know what might be causing the ical to be sent without the macro processing? | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | rjacobsen: I think the root problem is this: | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | 2007/03/06 15:04:56 - WARN - kidscorner.us.com.conf - main::[[undef]] - DatabaseLink [Km4hmZZDkxFwrR4aKJzlWQ] The DSN specified is of an improper format. | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | You have a bad DSN. | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | no DSN, no database | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | no database, no SQL Form | 23:08 |
| cap10morgan | preaction: yeah, that's fine. so the packages menu has the same content regardless of what site you're logged into? (as long as it's the same server) | 23:08 |
| rjacobsen | ok so how do we find out our DSN? what do we put in the DSN? | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | well... | 23:09 |
| @preaction | cap10morgan: no, the package has the same content as the asset (at least, at the time of export). they aren't updated cross-site | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | You have to have a separate database from the main WebGUI one. | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you have such a database setup on your site? | 23:10 |
| cap10morgan | preaction: right, i just mean, the package will be available to deploy on a different site after i've created it on the original? | 23:11 |
| @preaction | no, you have to go to the asset manager, click "export", you'll be given a file to download. then you can go to the asset manager on the other site, and you'll see a spot to import an exported package | 23:12 |
| -!- pjesi [n=pjesi@perl.is] has quit ["Changing server"] | 23:12 | |
| -!- pjesi [i=pjesi@perl.is] has joined #webgui | 23:12 | |
| cap10morgan | ah, gotcha | 23:13 |
| cap10morgan | thanks preaction | 23:13 |
| rjacobsen | we do not have a seperate database setup no | 23:15 |
| rjacobsen | so we cant use the existing database? | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 23:15 |
| rjacobsen | ahh | 23:15 |
| rjacobsen | ok | 23:15 |
| rjacobsen | brb | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | It's a safety feature to protect the main WebGUI db. | 23:15 |
| cap10morgan | can you create packages, export them, and import them using the API? | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:16 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit [""Be back in 30""] | 23:17 | |
| cap10morgan | hmm, the import is doing nothing. i click import after selecting the wgpkg file and the browser spins for a minute, then nothing shows up. ?? | 23:37 |
| cap10morgan | nothing in webgui.log | 23:37 |
| @snapcount | pjesi: yes | 23:48 |
| @snapcount | I told you earlier | 23:48 |
| @snapcount | =) | 23:48 |
| pjesi | really? must have missed that sorry | 23:49 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has joined #webgui | 23:50 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 23:51 | |
| pjesi | <@snapcount> you just pass a reference of the content to the WebGUI::Macro::process I think it is | 23:51 |
| pjesi | you mean this? | 23:51 |
| @snapcount | yeah | 23:51 |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@139.sub-75-207-54.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 23:51 | |
| @snapcount | it's vague I know | 23:51 |
| @snapcount | but that's really the answer | 23:51 |
| ckotil | who worked on the new calendar asset? | 23:52 |
| @snapcount | somewhere there is a variable that contains all of the event details | 23:52 |
| @snapcount | you need to pass a reference of that variable to WebGUI::Macro::process | 23:52 |
| pjesi | snapcount: I see, I just thought the fix was not in the code | 23:52 |
| @snapcount | oh no | 23:53 |
| @snapcount | to fix the macros not processing requires code for sure | 23:53 |
| cap10morgan | anyone know what to check for when packages won't import? | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan: what version are you using? | 23:57 |
| cap10morgan | 7.3.10 | 23:58 |
| cap10morgan | on both the exporting and the importing side | 23:58 |
| +perlDreamer | You should check the change log. I'm pretty sure there were bugs fixed around 7.3.10. | 23:58 |
| +perlDreamer | yuup | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | there was an import package fixed in 7.3.11 | 23:59 |
| @preaction | ckotil: just ask the question | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | what kind of package are you trying to export and why do you say there's a bug for that? | 23:59 |
| --- Day changed Wed Mar 07 2007 | ||
| ckotil | nah, you wont like it | 00:01 |
| cap10morgan | perlDreamer: correct you are :) upgrading now. | 00:01 |
| ckotil | i created an example of the calendar asset today for my group to check out. and they want it ajaxified | 00:01 |
| ckotil | google calendar spoiled them. | 00:01 |
| ckotil | they like the ical support. | 00:02 |
| @preaction | what do you mean by "ajaxified"? | 00:02 |
| ckotil | able to drag and drop events and info , mostly | 00:02 |
| @preaction | you mean an overabundance of pointless asynchronous requests? | 00:02 |
| @preaction | drag.. and ... drop... from what? | 00:03 |
| ckotil | events to duplicate them for example | 00:03 |
| ckotil | or move an event | 00:03 |
| ckotil | and abiltilty to overlay multiple calendars onto a single view. | 00:04 |
| ckotil | http://globalnoc.iu.edu/i2network/support/maintenance-calendar.html | 00:04 |
| -!- Seppie [i=Seppie@cp43027-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has joined #webgui | 00:04 | |
| @preaction | your overlay can be done with ^AssetProxy, no? | 00:04 |
| ckotil | hrm... | 00:04 |
| ckotil | no i dont think so. | 00:04 |
| ckotil | the proxied asset would just get appended to the page, rather than actually overlay'd | 00:05 |
| @preaction | you mean you want multiple calendar's Events to be shown on a single calendar | 00:05 |
| @preaction | that's easy, use the iCal feeds | 00:05 |
| ckotil | interesting. | 00:05 |
| ckotil | we already have ical feeds. | 00:05 |
| * ckotil tries. | 00:05 | |
| ckotil | well i added the feeds. | 00:07 |
| ckotil | now i wait till the workflow is executed. | 00:07 |
| @preaction | or force it to run now | 00:07 |
| ckotil | tru | 00:07 |
| ckotil | hrm i dont see a running workflow. | 00:08 |
| ckotil | for it. or how to update the feeds | 00:08 |
| @preaction | go to Admin Console > Scheduler. look for Hourly Maintenance Tasks and click Run | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, where did gooeybot go? | 00:09 |
| ckotil | ah | 00:09 |
| ckotil | he dropped a half hour ago | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | he needs to learn runHourly | 00:09 |
| @preaction | weird, let me find him | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | gooeybot, runHourly is go to Admin Console > Scheduler. look for Hourly Maintenance Tasks and click Run | 00:09 |
| cap10morgan | does the 7.3.10 package import bug affect the exported packages? i.e. should i re-export under 7.3.11? | 00:10 |
| -!- gooeybot [n=gooeybot@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 00:11 | |
| +perlDreamer | gooeybot, runHourly is go to Admin Console > Scheduler. look for Hourly Maintenance Tasks and click Run | 00:12 |
| gooeybot | OK, perlDreamer. | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | cap' you shouldn't need to | 00:13 |
| ckotil | werd. | 00:14 |
| ckotil | seems our ical format isnt up to spec. | 00:14 |
| ckotil | or the calendar just barfs after a multi day event. | 00:15 |
| ckotil | not sure which. pry the earlier. | 00:15 |
| ckotil | on that note. im heading home. | 00:15 |
| ckotil | see ya on the flipside | 00:15 |
| -!- Seppie [i=Seppie@cp43027-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] | 00:15 | |
| @preaction | ckotil: more probably the latter | 00:16 |
| @preaction | ckotil: post a bug and attach the ICS file | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | no good iCal parsers on CPAN? | 00:21 |
| @preaction | there are 6 available, Text::vCard being the best interface I saw | 00:21 |
| @preaction | in the WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::CalendarUpdateFeeds I do a rundown of them | 00:22 |
| @preaction | and then roll my own. that activity was written at about 5:00am, 4 hours before deadline | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll read your notes | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we could borrow their test suite to validate your parser? | 00:22 |
| @preaction | the format isn't hard actually | 00:22 |
| @preaction | it's not the parser itself, it's more likely there's a way to specify start and end dates that i didn't take into account | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 00:23 |
| @preaction | which is why we'll need ckotil's ICS file | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | would the iCal spec help (if there is one)? | 00:24 |
| @preaction | i'd also like, eventually, to get rid of most of the main code in that workflow activity and put it in the calendar for easier maintenance | 00:24 |
| @preaction | there is one, and it Might help, but it'd be easier to know what way they're being specified, or what the parser's choking on | 00:25 |
| @preaction | admittedly, i implemented a bare minimum of the spec, enough to get by | 00:25 |
| @preaction | something like Calendar->addFromFeed(url) | 00:26 |
| @preaction | and why the hell is it snowing again? | 00:26 |
| @preaction | it's like we get 6 weeks of winter, starting February | 00:26 |
| @preaction | what's the name of the workflow activity that's used to notify admins when a version tag needs approval? is there one in the default WebGUI or will I have to make one? | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | NotifyAboutVersionTag | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | :) | 00:29 |
| -!- Seppie [i=Seppie@cp43027-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has joined #webgui | 00:33 | |
| cap10morgan | whoah! importing packages works in 7.3.11 but it generates a metric buttload of version tags! | 00:33 |
| @preaction | look at the revisions in the tags, are they empty? | 00:33 |
| cap10morgan | i think so | 00:35 |
| cap10morgan | they would show up on the right if they weren't, right? | 00:36 |
| cap10morgan | oh wait, no they're not | 00:36 |
| @preaction | so the version tags are comitted? | 00:36 |
| cap10morgan | no, they're not | 00:36 |
| cap10morgan | they have revisions in them | 00:36 |
| @preaction | and they're showing up on the right, and they have revisions in them | 00:36 |
| cap10morgan | looks like one for each thread of the collab system that was in this package i just imported | 00:36 |
| cap10morgan | correct | 00:36 |
| @preaction | that is probably a bug, but i'll be durned if i know where | 00:37 |
| cap10morgan | i committed them all and now the package is gone again | 00:39 |
| cap10morgan | and the collab system / threads didn't show up anywhere | 00:40 |
| cap10morgan | oh, i just tried it again and this time it only created one version tag | 00:40 |
| cap10morgan | and it worked! | 00:41 |
| cap10morgan | the content is there! | 00:41 |
| cap10morgan | haha, weird. | 00:41 |
| @preaction | weird enough you might want to report it. whatever happened that first time should not have happened | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, should we change the name space of the help template? | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan, if you file it as a bug, you might want to save that package in the bug report as well. Then we can do an apples to apples check instead of trying to hack up some kind of package that may not trigger the bug. | 01:21 |
| cap10morgan | yeah, i'll be doing a lot more testing of this | 01:22 |
| cap10morgan | so if i see it again, i'll definitely report it | 01:22 |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui | 01:23 | |
| -!- Seppie [i=Seppie@cp43027-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] | 01:23 | |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, man | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | it will delay 7.4, but result in a better overall WebGUI | 01:25 |
| @rizen | i don't think so | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | no name space change? | 01:25 |
| @rizen | no | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 01:25 |
| @rizen | if it happens again, maybe...but for now let's worry about real bugs | 01:26 |
| @rizen | god i hate accounting | 01:26 |
| @rizen | spent the whole day on it today | 01:26 |
| @rizen | feel like i got nothing done | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I hate that | 01:26 |
| @rizen | time to take a break before a big upgrade this eve | 01:26 |
| @rizen | later | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | cya | 01:26 |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI | 02:03 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has quit [""""] | 02:43 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] | 02:58 | |
| @rizen | cap10morgan, did you make it into the talk today? | 04:36 |
| cap10morgan | i was on the call and followed along on the demo site | 04:37 |
| cap10morgan | but couldn't get into the gotomeeting | 04:37 |
| @rizen | ok. | 04:37 |
| @rizen | we're planning on doing it again in a week or so due to our flub | 04:38 |
| cap10morgan | i was mainly evaluating it for the organization i work for to see if we'd be interested in purchasing more sessions | 04:38 |
| cap10morgan | oh, ok | 04:38 |
| cap10morgan | great | 04:38 |
| @rizen | i'm really sorry that we inconvenienced you | 04:39 |
| cap10morgan | it's ok; these things happen | 04:39 |
| @rizen | we thought it was supposed to support 1000 participants by default..but we set it up wrong | 04:40 |
| @rizen | we were also really suprised by the turnout | 04:40 |
| @rizen | we expected maybe 5 peeps | 04:40 |
| @rizen | but it was full almost instantly | 04:40 |
| @rizen | so who knows how many peeps will actually be there | 04:40 |
| -!- nuba [n=nuba@hq.imaterial.org] has joined #webgui | 05:06 | |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has joined #webgui | 05:06 | |
| PedersenMJ | h'lo all. | 05:07 |
| nuba | h'l' | 05:07 |
| PedersenMJ | How's it going? | 05:08 |
| Radix-wrk | hi ped | 05:08 |
| nuba | dunno, just joined the chan :) | 05:08 |
| Radix-wrk | Welcome nuba :) | 05:09 |
| PedersenMJ | Wow. Someone went crazy creating wiki articles recently. | 05:09 |
| PedersenMJ | That's cool :) | 05:09 |
| @rizen | that's tera | 05:10 |
| @rizen | she's on our staff | 05:10 |
| PedersenMJ | Hey, Radix, something for you to ponder, when next you think your contributions were unpopular: That sundark theme I posted is now at -2. | 05:10 |
| @rizen | if i had anything to say about it, i'd give it a -50 | 05:11 |
| Radix-wrk | I know why too | 05:11 |
| Radix-wrk | it's a bug in Webgui - visitor has rate privileges | 05:11 |
| PedersenMJ | So would I, probably. But, it wasn't made to be popular. It was made to show a conversion process. | 05:11 |
| Radix-wrk | thought it'd been fixed.. but not for contributions | 05:11 |
| Radix-wrk | it means webbots are probably navigating those pages and hitting rate down/rate up randomly | 05:12 |
| PedersenMJ | As for Tera: She a documenter then? Or is she just getting into the system by documenting some pieces first? | 05:13 |
| @rizen | i was just kidding | 05:13 |
| @rizen | tera is a jack of all trades person for us | 05:13 |
| @rizen | she's currently copyiing portions of the help | 05:13 |
| @rizen | cuz it will be removed from the actual help system to lower the memory usage in webgu | 05:14 |
| PedersenMJ | It's funny: Burned is up at 12. Andreas02 is at 0. And Sundark is at -2. I'm surprised by the fact that Burned is higher ranked, as I thought Andreas02 would be more so. | 05:14 |
| PedersenMJ | JT: I wasn't. Personally, I think Sundark is hideous. However, it was also perfectly simple. So, it got chosen to showcase the process. | 05:14 |
| Radix-wrk | have a look at the forums, and sort by rating - you'll see HEAPS of random values for posts | 05:15 |
| PedersenMJ | Hmmm.... JT, would it be worth it to do some sort of utility script that can post the help files directly, or is that just a very bad idea? | 05:15 |
| @rizen | i'm not sure what you're asking | 05:17 |
| PedersenMJ | Well, here's my thought: The help files are in the code, as HTML. It should be possible to write a script/object which reads them, and posts the html directly, using the webgui api. However, possible doesn't mean it's a good idea. | 05:18 |
| @rizen | first of all she's not copying all the files | 05:19 |
| @rizen | only select ones | 05:20 |
| @rizen | and secondly, we have no devs available currently | 05:20 |
| @rizen | and thirdly...tera costs less than a dev | 05:20 |
| PedersenMJ | So, bad idea. Like I said, possible doesn't mean good. I'd consider trying it, but it sounds like it wouldn't be the right thing to do. | 05:21 |
| -!- wgGuest24 [n=wgGuest2@c-67-169-8-99.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 06:51 | |
| -!- wgGuest24 [n=wgGuest2@c-67-169-8-99.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] | 06:52 | |
| PedersenMJ | g'night all! hasta la manana! | 07:08 |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has quit [] | 07:08 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] | 09:31 | |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@194.171.50.114] has joined #webgui | 10:01 | |
| -!- nuba [n=nuba@hq.imaterial.org] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 10:11 | |
| -!- nuba [n=nuba@hq.imaterial.org] has joined #webgui | 10:12 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 14:13 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@130.sub-75-207-202.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI | 16:02 | |
| -!- snapcount_ [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 17:10 | |
| ckotil | db up to 36.5 MB | 17:12 |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 17:27 | |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@194.171.50.114] has quit ["Xirc - MacOSX"] | 18:10 | |
| rjacobsen | do you have a *current* sql query macro that will access a database outside of webgui? | 18:11 |
| rjacobsen | or a new database inside webgui? | 18:11 |
| rjacobsen | we found the ^SQLExt(); and it doesnt seem to work anymore | 18:12 |
| -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui | 18:20 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ | 18:20 | |
| rjacobsen | hello? | 18:46 |
| gooeybot | Hi, rjacobsen | 18:46 |
| rjacobsen | do you have a *current* sql query macro that will access a database outside of webgui? | 18:46 |
| rjacobsen | or a new database inside webgui? | 18:46 |
| rjacobsen | we found the ^SQLExt(); and it doesnt seem to work anymore | 18:46 |
| ckotil | sqlreport asset lets you query external db's | 18:54 |
| ckotil | it requires you to setup a db link first. | 18:54 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has joined #webgui | 19:32 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 19:32 | |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: thanks for watching my back, dude | 19:33 |
| @rizen | in what way did i watch your back? | 20:40 |
| @rizen | are you talking about Graphics.pm? | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 20:41 |
| @rizen | oh...not like you haven't done it 1000 times for me | 20:42 |
| @rizen | =) | 20:42 |
| +perlDreamer | it's good not to work alone | 20:42 |
| +perlDreamer | speaking of which, I have fixes for two calendar bugs | 20:42 |
| @rizen | indeed | 20:42 |
| +perlDreamer | is it safe to commit? | 20:43 |
| @rizen | feel free, no release today | 20:43 |
| @rizen | i have 7 priority bug fixes from rockstar clients to do today | 20:43 |
| @rizen | so i have to drop everythng to do that | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, am I duplicating work on the calendar stuff? | 20:43 |
| @rizen | nope | 20:43 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui | 20:43 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ | 20:43 | |
| @rizen | nothing related | 20:43 |
| @rizen | the ones i'm working on are rich edit, cache, and db slaves | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | the rich edit one is nasty, very similar to this calendar one | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | the js thinks we're sending it relative URLs, so it's appending the parent URL to "help out" | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | it doesn't grok the gateway macro | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | well, that's one of the RTE bugs. there are probably others | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll need you to weigh in on this other calender bug, but I'll post it to the dev list after I get this one cleaned up. | 20:46 |
| -!- TheSeparator [i=Seppie@cp43027-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has joined #webgui | 20:58 | |
| rjacobsen | have a new problem with trying to delete items from the clipboard >> http://paste.biz/paste-867.html | 21:01 |
| @rizen | this is not the place to report bug | 21:02 |
| @rizen | s | 21:02 |
| rjacobsen | i was just wondering if u knew how i could fix it | 21:02 |
| @rizen | even if we diid, we won't consider looking at iit until you report the bug | 21:03 |
| rjacobsen | just when i thought i was gettin somewhere with this irc channel...... | 21:06 |
| @rizen | you're upset because i'm asking you to follow proper procedure? | 21:09 |
| @rizen | if it's a problem, and we're going to spend our time fixing it...don't you think it's important we fix it for everyone...not just for you? | 21:09 |
| @rizen | or are you that selfish that you think you are more important than the entire community? | 21:10 |
| rjacobsen | i was simply asking if it was a bug and /or was there a way to fix it temporarily | 21:14 |
| * SDuensin sets mode +rude #WebGUI | 21:14 | |
| rjacobsen | but i found a way around it anyhow | 21:14 |
| rjacobsen | and if anyone else has this problem - simply commit any changes made and then you can delete the item in the clipboard | 21:18 |
| ckotil | ive had probs with the clipboard like that in th epast. you just have to finess it, until the bug can be fixed. | 21:37 |
| +perlDreamer | rjacobsen, another good idea is to search the bugs page. | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | that bug has been found, reported and fixed | 21:45 |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@ip56503e61.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #webgui | 21:51 | |
| cap10morgan | is plain black / webgui participating in google's summer of code? | 22:00 |
| @rizen | as of now no | 22:03 |
| @rizen | like i said on the forum, in the past we've always been rejected | 22:03 |
| @rizen | so unless you have a good idea you think will get approved..we're not applying | 22:04 |
| -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Radix_ | 22:12 | |
| cap10morgan | oh, ok | 22:17 |
| cap10morgan | we're applying, and i was going to put some webgui-based projects on our idea list, but didn't want to duplicate any efforts | 22:17 |
| @rizen | that would be great. let me know how it goes. | 22:22 |
| -!- Netsplit over, joins: Radix_ | 22:23 | |
| cap10morgan | will do | 22:23 |
| cap10morgan | if you don't mind my asking (and if you know), on what grounds did they reject you? | 22:24 |
| @rizen | i don't have the emails anymore..but i believe it was just a bland rejection letter stating that our ideas didn't match the goals of summer of code | 22:25 |
| @rizen | one of the ideas we had was to develop a javascript based CSS editor | 22:25 |
| @rizen | so you could visually edit CSS right from your web browser | 22:26 |
| @rizen | similar to how you use a rich editor to edit html | 22:26 |
| @rizen | another idea was to ajaxify webgui's admin console | 22:26 |
| @rizen | another idea was to create a google maps asset for webgui | 22:27 |
| @rizen | i can't remember them all | 22:27 |
| @rizen | but we put in 6 ideas total over 2 years | 22:27 |
| @rizen | all 6 were rejected | 22:27 |
| cap10morgan | huh, ok | 22:31 |
| cap10morgan | interesting | 22:31 |
| cap10morgan | i need to beef our ideas page, then :) | 22:31 |
| cap10morgan | thanks jt | 22:31 |
| @rizen | np | 22:31 |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@ip56503e61.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 23:26 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@130.sub-75-207-202.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 23:47 | |
| --- Day changed Thu Mar 08 2007 | ||
| +perlDreamer | rizen: sometime I'd like you to tell me about what was happening with the CS upgrades and threads with non-existant parents. | 00:31 |
| @rizen | on some sites, there are some corrupt threadds | 00:32 |
| @rizen | and the upgrade failed without the check i added | 00:32 |
| @rizen | i need to write a utility to find/fix/delete corrupt threads | 00:32 |
| @rizen | but for the time being, i just didn't want people's upgrades to fail | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, okay | 00:33 |
| -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has left #webgui [] | 00:42 | |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: is this a bug or an RFE: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/calender#TKMNSvU-0qlmsv3aNk5W7g | 00:56 |
| @rizen | bug for the week view | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll fix it | 00:57 |
| @rizen | i don't know how he expects a multi-day event to show up on a day view | 00:57 |
| @rizen | you're only looking at one day | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know. If it's also easy to fix do you want it as well? | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | The code that I need to fix the week view is in the month | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm guessing it could work for the day as well | 00:58 |
| @rizen | listen to what you are saying | 00:58 |
| @rizen | it is a 1 day view, but a 3 day event | 00:58 |
| @rizen | you can't display it | 00:59 |
| @rizen | wiithout displaying 3 days of data | 00:59 |
| @rizen | on a day view, it should only display for that day | 00:59 |
| @rizen | or any day that it's part of | 00:59 |
| @rizen | you can't display all 3 days though | 00:59 |
| @rizen | that's just rediculous | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | now you're going all Billy Crystal, dahling | 01:11 |
| @rizen | i am? | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | You said I was rediculous, which I thought was just mahvelous | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | btw, they gave me a chip to work on, so my WebGUI bandwidth will be decreasing | 01:14 |
| @rizen | yay you | 01:14 |
| @rizen | boo to them | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I need a patron | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Forget all this working crap. | 01:15 |
| @rizen | patron? | 01:15 |
| @rizen | like a benefactor? | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | like old-time scientists and artists | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | you get a patron | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | they tell you what to do | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | you do it | 01:16 |
| @rizen | if i were rich, i'd be your patron | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd answer support postings, fix bugs, write features, build tests and docs | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | kind of like now | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | only monetized | 01:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | what's wrong with chips | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | chips are great when you get to design them | 01:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | but | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I've spent the last seven weeks being paid to sit on my butt in a cube | 01:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | you don't on this project? | 01:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | i know | 01:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | i do the same | 01:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | but don't get paid | 01:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | no, even worse, don't you have to pay to get to design chips? | 01:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | at least I have science as an excuse | 01:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | i don't | 01:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | the whole year | 01:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | i will be busy | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | school is free in The Netherlands? | 01:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | laying reaaly tiny wires on glass | 01:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | no! | 01:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | but not overly expensive too | 01:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's about 1500 euro's each year\] | 01:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | except when you are old | 01:20 |
| @rizen | holy crap | 01:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | and it's not school | 01:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's university | 01:20 |
| @rizen | when i went to college (and i went to a cheap state school) it was $16k per year | 01:20 |
| @rizen | and that was over 10 years ago | 01:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's just fucked up | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | when I went to school, it was $1k/year when I started | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | and $10k when I finished (grad school) | 01:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | mind you | 01:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you're not a ducth resident | 01:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's much more expensive | 01:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | in the 10k$ range | 01:21 |
| @rizen | our government subsidizes also | 01:22 |
| @rizen | both at the state and federal level | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | but not as much as the european schools do | 01:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | in NL you also get subsidies | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | for beer and pomade? | 01:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | depending on what your parents earn | 01:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | i got about 230 euro's per month | 01:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that just covers your rent | 01:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | not anything else | 01:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | beer and pomade is what i work for | 01:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | at oqapi | 01:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | dude, you're worth far more than beer and pomade | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | better add in some liqour | 01:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | i use a LOT | 01:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | both of em | 01:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 01:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | i like whikey too | 01:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | but i consume that in much smaller quantities | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | ratiometric consumption | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | very wise of you | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: is preaction slammed? | 01:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | he must earn the same as i do =) | 01:26 |
| @rizen | yes | 01:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | see? | 01:27 |
| @rizen | he's slammed...he's paid more than you though | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, the day view of the calendar is part of a much larger bug having to do with windowing times in the calendar | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll commit this fix, and then start on that one | 01:27 |
| @rizen | preaction likely won't be available until after march 19 | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | then it will take me a bit longer, but I'll get it | 01:28 |
| * perlDreamer heads to the showers to think about windows | 01:28 | |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm getting paid in beercases and cans of pomade | 01:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | isn't preaction? | 01:30 |
| @rizen | he gets paid in bottles of Courvoisier and Caviar | 01:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | yuck | 01:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | caviar | 01:33 |
| @rizen | you don't like cognac? | 01:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | the booze is ok though | 01:33 |
| @rizen | or is it the fish eggs you don't like? | 01:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | ofcourse | 01:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | i don't like fish in general | 01:34 |
| @rizen | me either | 01:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | you know what | 01:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | we'll have a cognac at the wuc then | 01:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | no fishy eggs | 01:34 |
| @rizen | how do you feel about second breakfast? | 01:36 |
| @rizen | and twosies | 01:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | do i wanna know what you're talking about? | 01:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | in delft | 01:36 |
| @rizen | i was referring to lord of the rings | 01:37 |
| @rizen | the hobbits have those | 01:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | 2nd breakfast means something i don't particularly like | 01:37 |
| @rizen | extra meals | 01:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | hey man | 01:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm no friggen hobbit | 01:37 |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui | 01:38 | |
| +MrHairgrease | my feet are only moderately hairy | 01:38 |
| @rizen | wow. you're very sensitive to the hobbitises | 01:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you say so... | 01:39 |
| @rizen | i love the word "hobbitses" | 01:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | well | 01:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm glad it cranks you up | 01:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | for me | 01:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's time to go to bed | 01:39 |
| @rizen | come on...are you telling me that you don't like golem? | 01:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 01:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | he always remionds me of you | 01:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 01:40 |
| @rizen | hehe | 01:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | anyway | 01:40 |
| @rizen | ok...well sleep well my friend | 01:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | thanks for the mental pictures | 01:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm sure it'll keep me awake for hours | 01:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | =_ | 01:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | =)* | 01:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | marijn sys hi too btw | 01:41 |
| @rizen | hi back | 01:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | later guys | 01:51 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] | 01:51 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 02:00 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 02:00 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] | 03:00 | |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] | 04:00 | |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 04:14 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ | 04:14 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has left #webgui [] | 05:24 | |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has joined #webgui | 05:30 | |
| PedersenMJ | heya | 05:30 |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has quit [] | 05:59 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 08:23 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui | 08:23 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] | 10:11 | |
| -!- ahm_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui | 12:19 | |
| -!- ahm_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 12:19 | |
| -!- amh_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui | 12:21 | |
| -!- amh_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 12:22 | |
| -!- amh_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui | 12:23 | |
| -!- amh_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit [Client Quit] | 12:25 | |
| -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui | 12:26 | |
| -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has left #webgui [] | 12:57 | |
| -!- amh_bob [n=bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui | 12:58 | |
| -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui | 13:01 | |
| -!- amh_bob [n=bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] | 13:33 | |
| -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 14:19 | |
| -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui | 14:56 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@163.sub-75-206-252.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI | 16:00 | |
| -!- amh_bob [n=bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui | 16:08 | |
| -!- rjacobsen [n=rjacobse@74-129-192-43.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit ["User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby"] | 16:08 | |
| -!- amh_bob [n=bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] | 16:30 | |
| ckotil | how's this for an rfe... It kinda goes against the way the nav asset is supposed to work, but check it... Allow assets that exist beneath an asset that is hidden from navigation to be to be allowed to show up in navigation. | 16:43 |
| -!- amh_bob [n=chatzill@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui | 16:43 | |
| -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 16:44 | |
| -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui | 16:44 | |
| -!- amh_bob [n=chatzill@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has left #webgui ["User is away."] | 16:47 | |
| -!- AMH_bob [n=chatzill@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui | 16:49 | |
| -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] | 17:00 | |
| -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui | 17:12 | |
| ckotil | pb.com's workflow must be really backed up | 17:49 |
| -!- wgGuest85 [i=WebGUIUs@c-71-193-121-123.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 17:49 | |
| wgGuest85 | hi all | 17:49 |
| ckotil | hi | 17:49 |
| wgGuest85 | can u dl extensions for this cms? | 17:50 |
| ckotil | extensions meaning? | 17:50 |
| wgGuest85 | like modules | 17:50 |
| wgGuest85 | or feature | 17:50 |
| ckotil | webgui calls them assets. | 17:50 |
| ckotil | and it comes with about everyone that exists. | 17:50 |
| wgGuest85 | k | 17:50 |
| ckotil | the community has created some too. | 17:50 |
| ckotil | and you're free to create your own. | 17:51 |
| ckotil | though the process is pretty involved. | 17:51 |
| ckotil | you need to have a real intimate knowldge of webgui | 17:51 |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-122.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has quit [] | 17:51 | |
| ckotil | im 8 months into it, and Im just now starting to get a feel for it | 17:51 |
| wgGuest85 | k | 17:52 |
| ckotil | if you're a perl guru, you would be able to pick it tright up tho | 17:52 |
| -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] | 18:01 | |
| -!- greghacke [n=greghack@66-162-187-24.static.twtelecom.net] has joined #webgui | 18:03 | |
| greghacke | odd question if anyone knows... <tmpl_var form.footer> | 18:04 |
| greghacke | Where is the template for this tmpl_var pulled? | 18:04 |
| -!- AMH_bob [n=chatzill@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 18:06 | |
| greghacke | NM | 18:06 |
| -!- wgGuest85 [i=WebGUIUs@c-71-193-121-123.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 18:19 | |
| ckotil | yikes, just got an email about a post i made 2 days ago | 18:41 |
| @rizen | yup..we're having mail queue problems | 18:42 |
| ckotil | ya i think i experienced it too on my site. | 18:42 |
| ckotil | restarting spectre seemed to fix it | 18:42 |
| ckotil | i might turn on the cronjob that restarts spectre every tnight. you think thats worthwhile? | 18:43 |
| ckotil | im gonna be gone all next week. skiing in utah | 18:43 |
| ckotil | gonna hit up vail, CO on teh way. ;) | 18:43 |
| ckotil | leaving tomorrow afternoon | 18:43 |
| ckotil | driving :/ | 18:43 |
| ckotil | Indiana to Utah is 1550 miles | 18:43 |
| greghacke | rizen :: you get in a game of settlers? | 18:43 |
| greghacke | will wanted to know how it went. | 18:44 |
| SDuensin | ckotil - stop in St. Louis and fix my server. :-) | 18:44 |
| ckotil | hehe. cant be fixed remotely? | 18:44 |
| @rizen | if you're on webgui 7.3.10 or above, then you don't need to restart spectre everyday | 18:44 |
| @rizen | otherwise you should | 18:44 |
| ckotil | im on 7.3.10 | 18:44 |
| @rizen | greg: yes, 2 in fact | 18:45 |
| @rizen | and it's awesome | 18:45 |
| ckotil | but the restart did seem to fix the workflow thing. OR it could have been restarting mod perl after upgradign POE + POE::Component::IKC | 18:45 |
| SDuensin | ckotil - not with bad hardware. It's really the server, not what's on it. <G> | 18:45 |
| * SDuensin hasn't had time to fix it. | 18:45 | |
| greghacke | ok, instructions, river, etc. should show up soon | 18:45 |
| ckotil | ouch | 18:45 |
| SDuensin | Got two boxes I can use for it. One has a bad northbridge. The other, no idea. I'm hoping it's just a power supply. | 18:46 |
| @rizen | i got the instructions | 18:47 |
| @rizen | so thanks for that | 18:47 |
| ckotil | rizen: did you get to see my proposed rfe? about 9am this morning, in the channel. | 18:47 |
| @rizen | yes i did | 18:47 |
| @rizen | hence why i ignored it | 18:47 |
| @rizen | =) | 18:47 |
| ckotil | so no go? | 18:47 |
| @rizen | it's very easy to do...but i don't see any need for it | 18:47 |
| @rizen | and on top of that, will likely cause me more support headaches than it's worth | 18:48 |
| ckotil | added flexibility | 18:48 |
| ckotil | k. | 18:48 |
| @rizen | you're going to have to argue a very strong point if you want it added | 18:48 |
| ckotil | luckily for me, my manager doesnt like bread crumb navigation so its not really an issue anymore | 18:48 |
| @rizen | even with bread crumb it's not a problem | 18:49 |
| ckotil | but it is. since im placing the assets that make up our internal repositories beneath an asset thats hidden, the crumb trail nav asset will not recognize the assets that exist beneath the hidden asset | 19:03 |
| ckotil | i have page layout asset (hidden) > oage layout asset > page layout asset | folder asset | 19:04 |
| ckotil | the reason for doing that is because they want the repositories to exist beneath each mini-NOC site. | 19:05 |
| ckotil | and not exist in one place beneath our main NOC site. and then I would use shortcut assets to make it appear to exist u nder each mini NOC site. they didnt want that because in the asset view (whcih noone would ever fucking use) they would see that they dont actually exist beneath each mini NOC site | 19:06 |
| ckotil | </rant> | 19:06 |
| @rizen | did you see the show hidden option on the navigation asset? | 19:11 |
| ckotil | <3 | 19:15 |
| ckotil | slipped my mind. | 19:15 |
| ckotil | thanks | 19:15 |
| -!- greghacke [n=greghack@66-162-187-24.static.twtelecom.net] has left #webgui [] | 19:26 | |
| ckotil | this makes my job so easy :) this being webgui | 19:31 |
| ckotil | i like how show hidden pages is separate from show unpriviledge pages | 19:32 |
| @rizen | i'm glad you approve | 19:33 |
| ckotil | heh, riiight. | 19:33 |
| ckotil | im glad you're pretending to be glad | 19:33 |
| @rizen | no, it seriously does make me happy to hear that it makes people's jobs easier | 19:34 |
| @rizen | that's what webgui is supposed to be all about | 19:34 |
| ckotil | good. it really does. | 19:34 |
| @rizen | too often i hear: webgui is too hard to install, or webgui is to hard to learn | 19:34 |
| @rizen | but what they don't realize is that if you take that time investment...it pays off later | 19:35 |
| ckotil | in the right hands those things arent an issue | 19:35 |
| ckotil | indeed | 19:35 |
| SDuensin | My only complaint is that it's too hard to get hosted. Unfortunately, I can't (yet) afford to let PB do it. | 19:40 |
| @rizen | did you see we have a $20 option now? | 19:40 |
| SDuensin | I'll check it out! | 19:40 |
| @rizen | but you are right...it's a big system..and is hard to get hosted | 19:40 |
| SDuensin | I think I'm going to shoot for "Agency Hosting" with you in the (hopefully) near future. For some of my sites, I really need shell access to do bulk imports and such. (At least, I think I need it.) | 19:44 |
| @rizen | agency hosting doesn't give you shell access | 19:50 |
| SDuensin | Yea. I know. | 19:51 |
| @rizen | k | 19:51 |
| SDuensin | Can I bulk-load with the File Pile? | 19:51 |
| @rizen | bulk load what? images? | 19:51 |
| SDuensin | Images, general files. | 19:51 |
| SDuensin | Or what does the zip asset do? | 19:51 |
| SDuensin | Even the file pile would be hell with some of my galleries. | 19:51 |
| @rizen | whatever it is, if it's not a regular occurance we can run fileImport.pl for you | 19:51 |
| @rizen | the file pile will let you upload 10 or so files at a time | 19:52 |
| SDuensin | Yea. We have over 1000 images of our daughter on our site. :-) | 19:52 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui | 19:56 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ | 19:56 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has joined #webgui | 20:05 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 20:05 | |
| +perlDreamer | Will the world please slow down so I can get off? | 20:05 |
| @rizen | i agree | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: you can close this RFE with your erik.svanberg fix http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/managecommittedversions-in-reverse-chronological-order#cnQ0RwXVFpzgJRFgvatD3g | 20:13 |
| +perlDreamer | in your copious spare time, of course :) | 20:13 |
| @rizen | my erik svanberg fix isn't the same screen | 20:14 |
| @rizen | it's the manage revisions screen | 20:14 |
| @rizen | for a given asset | 20:14 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, okay | 20:15 |
| @rizen | how many lines of code is your change? | 20:15 |
| @rizen | you say you have it prototyped? | 20:15 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 20:15 |
| @rizen | mine was a one line fix | 20:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it's a sort clause in the SQL query | 20:15 |
| +perlDreamer | It's at home on my laptop | 20:15 |
| @rizen | in that case go ahead an add it | 20:15 |
| @rizen | no reason to wait on that one | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll do it tonight | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | do you want me to work on his Calendar Feed uiLevel > 5 bug, too? | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/calender-feed-events#YuUpcHQDo52vSJ-SGI04xw | 20:16 |
| @rizen | sure...i'm still stuck on priority rockstar requests | 20:18 |
| +perlDreamer | three characters may be my smallest bug fix yet, but I'm going to test it anyway ;) | 20:22 |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 20:55 | |
| -!- snapcount_ [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] | 20:55 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ | 20:55 | |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@ip56503e61.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #webgui | 20:57 | |
| ckotil | hrm seems like another calendar bug. I had deleted the calendar asset i was testing on my site the other day w/ the ical feeds. and now a workflow is trying to run on that asset, but cant find it :/ | 21:01 |
| ckotil | shall I report this? | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Is it trashed or deleted? | 21:04 |
| ckotil | both | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | It was trashed, then you deleted it? | 21:07 |
| ckotil | i deleted it. | 21:08 |
| ckotil | then purged the trash | 21:08 |
| @rizen | part of the purge operation should also remove the workflow activity | 21:08 |
| @rizen | if it's not, then that's a bug | 21:09 |
| ckotil | k, its the hourly workflow trying to run. | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | feeds get registered in their own table, Calendar_feeds | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | delete may not be able to remove them, because they could be used by more than 1 calendar | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to check into it more | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | yup, Calendar needs a purge method to clean out its feeds | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil: please report this as a bug, and give your 100 karma for wonderful IRC bug reporting | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | You didn't bash anybody from PB or WebGUI while doing it | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | You didn't whine | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | You answered questions promptly | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: as part of this bugfix do we need an update script which deletes unused feeds from the db? | 21:19 |
| ckotil | good deaal. | 21:20 |
| @rizen | yes we need to clean up after ourselves | 21:22 |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@ip56503e61.direct-adsl.nl] has quit ["Xirc - MacOSX"] | 21:23 | |
| @rizen | quick opinion question | 21:24 |
| @rizen | if a user creates a url like: this.foo.bar.php.dish/that.crap.this.home.html/home.html | 21:24 |
| ckotil | uh oh. the workflow errors are piling up. seem to double up each hour (there were two feeds) | 21:24 |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@ip56503e61.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #webgui | 21:24 | |
| ckotil | what do i need to delete, and what table do i look in? | 21:25 |
| @rizen | do you see any reason why it would be bad if webgui automatically changed it to something useful like: this/that/home.html | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil, I'll have some code for you in just a few | 21:25 |
| ckotil | k | 21:25 |
| @rizen | ckotil: just disable those workflows for the time being | 21:25 |
| ckotil | alright. | 21:25 |
| @rizen | or rather the scheduelr | 21:25 |
| @rizen | the scheduler that's kickiing them off | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: so long as there's no clash, why not? | 21:26 |
| @rizen | i don't see any reason why not either | 21:26 |
| @rizen | just one of my rockstar clients actually puts extensions on their urls | 21:26 |
| @rizen | and they want it to automatically remove the extra extensions in the directory structure | 21:26 |
| ckotil | it does that now. | 21:27 |
| @rizen | so if they create page.html and then page.html/article.html | 21:27 |
| ckotil | i add .html as my extension | 21:27 |
| @rizen | it will turn that second url into | 21:27 |
| @rizen | page/article.html | 21:27 |
| ckotil | im PRETTY sure thats how it works now anyway. seems to | 21:27 |
| @rizen | rather than page.html/article.html | 21:27 |
| ckotil | right | 21:27 |
| @rizen | no it doesn't | 21:27 |
| @rizen | i just created the chunk of code to make it do that | 21:27 |
| @rizen | # remove multiple extensions from the url if there are some | 21:28 |
| @rizen | while ($url =~ m{^(.*)\.\w+(/.*)$}) { | 21:28 |
| @rizen | $url =~ s{^(.*)\.\w+(/.*)$}{$1$2}ig; | 21:28 |
| @rizen | } | 21:28 |
| ckotil | =] well its been working like that for me, for some time now | 21:28 |
| @rizen | then i guess you don't care that i'm going to add this piece of code | 21:28 |
| ckotil | not at all. i welcome it. | 21:28 |
| SDuensin | DUCK! FLYING ASCII! | 21:28 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil, do you want me to scriptify this, or can you pull it from SVN? | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | It's 4 lines of code, but it needs a session var | 21:31 |
| ckotil | ive never pulled from SVN before. if you feel like holding my hand through the process, then i wont need the script | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | there's probably a way to write it as a subselect, something like: | 21:33 |
| +perlDreamer | DELETE from Calendar_feeds WHERE assetId NOT IN ( select distinct assetId from Calendar) | 21:33 |
| +perlDreamer | DELETE from Calendar_feeds WHERE assetId NOT IN ( select distinct(assetId) from Calendar) | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | if you have a backup of your db, you could try the second query | 21:35 |
| ckotil | ill make a new backup and issue that | 21:36 |
| ckotil | 2 rows affected. | 21:37 |
| +perlDreamer | now, try to run the hourly workflow and see if you get bugs again | 21:38 |
| @rizen | hannibal et portus | 21:38 |
| ckotil | k | 21:38 |
| +perlDreamer | looking good? | 21:39 |
| +perlDreamer | btw, where do you work? | 21:39 |
| ckotil | yeah, we're good | 21:39 |
| ckotil | thanks a lot man. | 21:40 |
| ckotil | i work for the global research NOC | 21:40 |
| ckotil | we monitor advanced research networks | 21:40 |
| ckotil | internet2 is the most well known | 21:40 |
| ckotil | but theres also National LambdaRail and some others | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | cool. I thought you deserved a mention in the changelog for guinea pigging this | 21:40 |
| ckotil | sweet | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | and there's your karma | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | now go vote up an RFE or something | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | :) | 21:42 |
| ckotil | wikd. | 21:43 |
| ckotil | ive been keeping my karma above 1000. now i have some breathing room for that | 21:44 |
| SDuensin | What good is karma on the PB site? | 21:45 |
| ckotil | boosting rfe rankings | 21:46 |
| ckotil | giving thumbs up or thumbs down on a forum post. | 21:46 |
| ckotil | in the future we might be able to spend it on webgui warez | 21:46 |
| @rizen | ckotil: your users are fired | 22:09 |
| @rizen | and when i say fired...think of me with veins bulging out of my neck and a red face, and I say "FIIIIRRREEDDD!!" | 22:10 |
| ckotil | they are network engineers. | 22:10 |
| @rizen | that's why they are fired | 22:10 |
| ckotil | half are engineers. other half are service desk people. | 22:10 |
| ckotil | and the service desk types are worse. | 22:10 |
| @rizen | if they were normal users, i could see why they would forget to commit | 22:10 |
| @rizen | but these people are technical | 22:10 |
| ckotil | ya, its mind boggling | 22:10 |
| ckotil | http://www.ratemynetworkdiagram.com/index.php?z=1 | 22:11 |
| ckotil | not my network. i think its just amazing there exists a site like this | 22:11 |
| @rizen | real network engineers don't use diagrams | 22:13 |
| @rizen | they use the "status" report | 22:13 |
| ckotil | i like this commit reminder macro. | 22:13 |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@ip56503e61.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 22:14 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 22:14 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 22:14 | |
| @rizen | you mean because i'm a genius? | 22:14 |
| @rizen | don't mind me...just stroking my own ego. =) | 22:14 |
| ckotil | you rule webgui | 22:14 |
| @rizen | nah..not these days | 22:15 |
| @rizen | these days it's guys like MrHairgrease, preaction, and perlDreamer that rule webgui | 22:15 |
| ckotil | http://www.ratemynetworkdiagram.com/?i=1318 | 22:17 |
| @rizen | hehe | 22:20 |
| @rizen | i have lots of neighbors with connections..unfortunately all of them secure them | 22:21 |
| @rizen | damn educated neighbors | 22:21 |
| @rizen | pd, remember that big gaming rig i bought? | 22:22 |
| @rizen | i set up a lan party for last saturday | 22:22 |
| @rizen | some people showed up friday night and we played for a bit | 22:22 |
| @rizen | the next morning i woke up, and sat down ready to play | 22:22 |
| @rizen | and the machine died | 22:22 |
| @rizen | motherboard fried | 22:22 |
| @rizen | or something | 22:22 |
| @rizen | i hate computers | 22:23 |
| @preaction | how? it's been all of a month? | 22:23 |
| @rizen | i know | 22:23 |
| @preaction | and you probably haven't used it much | 22:23 |
| @rizen | the worst part that it was literally working up until the very minute the lan party was supposed to start | 22:23 |
| @preaction | that's messed up | 22:23 |
| ckotil | ouch. | 22:24 |
| * preaction spent 12 hours finishing the UEF campaign last night | 22:24 | |
| ckotil | ya computers blow | 22:24 |
| ckotil | i set the font size to 40 on that macro. i cant wait to hear everyones reaction. | 22:34 |
| @rizen | did it work | 22:35 |
| @rizen | i wrote it from scratch without testing | 22:35 |
| ckotil | like a charm. | 22:35 |
| @rizen | ok | 22:35 |
| ckotil | thank you | 22:35 |
| @rizen | np | 22:35 |
| @rizen | oh crap..i meant to add some other things to the css | 22:35 |
| @rizen | like position: absolute | 22:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | this compuer doesn't blow | 22:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://www.keithley.com/products/currentvoltage/?mn=4200-SCS | 22:35 |
| @rizen | top: 0 | 22:35 |
| @rizen | left: 200px; | 22:36 |
| @rizen | that sort of thing | 22:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | even though it runs nt4 | 22:36 |
| @rizen | i assume you already did that? | 22:36 |
| ckotil | i kinda like how it works without it. | 22:36 |
| ckotil | ill throw it in, and see how i like it. | 22:36 |
| ckotil | no way in hell someone can forget to commit now >:) | 22:37 |
| @rizen | i would think not | 22:45 |
| @rizen | take a screen shot | 22:45 |
| @rizen | i want to see it | 22:45 |
| ckotil | k | 22:45 |
| ckotil | http://snare.grnoc.iu.edu/stuff/grab.tiff i think | 22:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | be sure to include | 22:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | text-decoration: blink; | 22:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | in the css | 22:49 |
| ckotil | hehehehe | 22:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | to bad the marquee tag is depricated | 22:49 |
| @rizen | nice...i can't imagine that they'd be able to miss that | 22:50 |
| @rizen | you might want to change the text | 22:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 22:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | it misses fool | 22:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | or mudsucker | 22:51 |
| @rizen | Commit Your Changes You Fucking Bastards That Should Know Better WIthout Me Having To Put this Big Box Up Here! | 22:51 |
| * MrHairgrease has been watching ateam reruns | 22:51 | |
| ckotil | hehe | 22:51 |
| ckotil | you should add that to the contributions | 22:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | imagine how that would lokk through the leetout | 22:51 |
| @rizen | you have a broken macro | 22:54 |
| @rizen | ^GetTitle(); | 22:54 |
| ckotil | yeah yeah. thats my dev site. i just leave stuff broken | 22:56 |
| ckotil | noone to impress | 22:56 |
| @rizen | stupid scanner driver | 22:58 |
| @rizen | gotta reboot...brb | 22:58 |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] | 22:59 | |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 23:16 | |
| +perlDreamer | rizen! | 23:17 |
| +perlDreamer | long time no see | 23:17 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ | 23:17 | |
| +perlDreamer | sorry to hear about your box | 23:17 |
| @rizen | hey, don't talk about my box that way | 23:31 |
| @rizen | you don't even know sarah that well | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | you're the one who said it overheated and died, dude | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | she was probably thumping you in SupCom anyway | 23:33 |
| @rizen | i never said it overheated | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | true, but fried is usually an overheating problem | 23:33 |
| @rizen | i have decided that i'm never touching a computer again | 23:34 |
| @rizen | or anything electronic | 23:34 |
| @rizen | i'm going to go live in the hills somewhere | 23:34 |
| @rizen | live off the land | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | living off the land is hard, you're either hovering or floating | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | live on the land instead | 23:34 |
| @preaction | it's not hard, you just have to throw yourself at the ground and miss | 23:35 |
| @rizen | i mean, working the land | 23:35 |
| @rizen | tera is done copying help to wiki | 23:35 |
| +perlDreamer | wow | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | she works fast | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | should we start the purge on the source code size? | 23:37 |
| @preaction | as in, the help is now a wiki asset inside the default install? | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | more like on the wG main site | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: in Calendar getEventsIn, why are Start dates inclusive (<=) but not End dates? | 23:42 |
| @preaction | because if you have: 2006-01-01 01:00:00 until 2006-01-01 02:00:00, and then the next page has 2006-01-01 02:00:00 until (one hour later), if you have an event that is at 2006-01-01 02:00:00, it would show up on both pages | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | that makes sense | 23:44 |
| @preaction | basically, one day is 2006-01-01 from 00:00:00 until 23:59:59, and it's easier to show than using < instead of <= 23:59:59 | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm working on a calendar bug where if you define a week-long event and then go to the day view the event only shows up on the day with the start date | 23:44 |
| @preaction | also, it's possible to have 23:59:60 (leap seconds) | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I want to make sure that I get all the current logic before tinkering | 23:45 |
| @preaction | oh, the reason that happens is because i didn't specifically show the event on more than one day, look at the viewMonth, there's a comment with "Show this event on all the days it spans" | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | yup, already did that one | 23:45 |
| @preaction | i believe i was told that i should only do that on the month view | 23:45 |
| @rizen | no, we can't start purging until 7.4 | 23:46 |
| @preaction | example: for the day view it's divided into hours, does that mean the event should be shown on every single hour in which it occurs? | 23:46 |
| @rizen | because we can't get rid of the help system interface until we have the template builder thingy in place | 23:46 |
| @rizen | it's been 18 years since the chernobyl disaster, and still no superheros | 23:48 |
| @preaction | Dr. Soresh says it will happen, if we find them. | 23:49 |
| SDuensin | It happened. They're just all that invisible guy. | 23:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | check out the totally rewritten TextImage Macro | 23:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://rafb.net/p/nJI6gK84.html | 23:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's almost finised | 23:53 |
| @rizen | lame | 23:53 |
| * MrHairgrease starts crying | 23:54 | |
| @rizen | sweet..i made you cry | 23:54 |
| @rizen | you're using Image::Magick | 23:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm used to it | 23:55 |
| @rizen | but don't "use" it | 23:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 23:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | still works though | 23:55 |
| @rizen | and...i think i should shame you | 23:55 |
| @rizen | because you're not using WebGUI::Graphics | 23:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | shame me | 23:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's true | 23:55 |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@163.sub-75-206-252.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 23:55 | |
| +MrHairgrease | i just rewrote the original | 23:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | fixing some bugs | 23:56 |
| @preaction | where's WebGUI::Graphics? | 23:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | and the 1st one was written before webgui image | 23:56 |
| @rizen | sorry | 23:56 |
| @rizen | webgui::image | 23:56 |
| @preaction | k | 23:56 |
| --- Day changed Fri Mar 09 2007 | ||
| @rizen | ok peeps | 00:21 |
| @rizen | i've finally caught up on all my support | 00:21 |
| @rizen | the question is...should i push out 7.3.12 or should we wait for next week | 00:21 |
| @rizen | it's already pretty late in the day, and I'm guessing that only idiots would upgrade on a friday | 00:22 |
| * rizen hears crickets | 00:24 | |
| +MrHairgrease | i'd say | 00:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | don't push it | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | next week | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | more bug fixing | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | more WRE work | 00:26 |
| @rizen | i'm going back to working on my caching problem that i started out the week working on | 00:28 |
| @rizen | are you guys aware of just how big of balls you have to have to be me? | 00:30 |
| @rizen | oh...and how perfect and handsome as well | 00:31 |
| @rizen | don't forget that | 00:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | wtf? | 00:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | are you eurotrash too? | 00:31 |
| @rizen | i think you're rubbing off on me | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | gooeybot, rizen has big balls that are handsome | 00:31 |
| gooeybot | OK, perlDreamer. | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | or something like that | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | Don't do the release today! | 00:43 |
| @rizen | ok, i'm doing the release now then | 00:46 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a little bug in WebGUI I just found | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe w | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | w | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | 2 | 00:48 |
| @rizen | i wouldn't believe you | 00:48 |
| @preaction | those are features | 00:48 |
| @rizen | bugs in webgui | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | try to add an Asset to a dev site running svn head | 00:48 |
| @rizen | unheard of | 00:48 |
| @rizen | hold on...need to update to make sure i have latest stuff | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | you don't need to update | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | it's already there | 00:49 |
| @rizen | hold on...need to look at pictures of hot girls | 00:50 |
| @rizen | added successfully | 00:51 |
| @rizen | no errors generated | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | now turn off your slaves and try it again | 00:51 |
| @rizen | kathy dresses you funny | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | it's true | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | dbSlave will pull a random hash from the slaves array, even if one does not exist and try to make a connection with it | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | that connection will fail and wG has a hissy fit | 00:52 |
| @rizen | it's ok, marjin dresses martin funny as well | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | 2007/03/08 14:32:42 - WARN - mywebgui.conf - Log::Log4perl::Logger::__ANON__[41] - Couldn't call method add on asset for url: home Root cause: Can't connect to data source , no database driver specified and DBI_DSN env var not set at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm line 319 | 00:52 |
| @rizen | i tested it with the slaves...just not without | 00:53 |
| @rizen | do i get 50% credit? | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 00:53 |
| @rizen | i'll fix | 00:53 |
| @rizen | i broke | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I already have it fixed | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | just need to commit | 00:53 |
| * perlDreamer has problems with commitment | 00:53 | |
| @rizen | so you just wanted to fuck with me then? | 00:53 |
| @rizen | rub my nose in it like a dog that shat on your carpet? | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | no, you said you were going to do a release | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | and I had to assume that you weren't joking | 00:54 |
| @rizen | no i said i wasn't doing a release | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | (14:46:34) rizen: ok, i'm doing the release now then | 00:54 |
| @rizen | that was right after you siad...don't do a release | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I see, you were being contrary | 00:58 |
| @rizen | i'm always contrary | 00:59 |
| @rizen | except when i'm not | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | just like you're trying to keep me from dominating the SVN log | 00:59 |
| @rizen | see i'm even contrary to myself | 00:59 |
| @rizen | except when i'm not | 00:59 |
| @rizen | i am? | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:59 |
| @rizen | you mean with all the commits i did this week? | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | every time I make 19 commits in a row, you add one | 00:59 |
| @rizen | heh | 00:59 |
| @rizen | not my intent...just trying to fix client problems | 01:00 |
| @rizen | and if the person i have on staff to fix bugs would ever fix any..there wouldn't be any bugfixes for you to commit | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | you have an on staff bug fixer? | 01:00 |
| @rizen | yes | 01:01 |
| @rizen | well 50% of his job is to do bugfixing | 01:01 |
| @rizen | he and i are going to have to have a chat though..cuz i've noticed that i'm fixing more bugs than him...and i'm not fixing very many | 01:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | my personal fashion guru is honored | 01:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | and she sais hi | 01:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | says* | 01:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | and I say | 01:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | good night | 01:03 |
| @rizen | night | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | gute nacht | 01:03 |
| @rizen | what's the url for the irc log? | 01:05 |
| @rizen | i want the url to ckotils screen shot from earlier | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | http://mentalhouse.net/irc/logs/webgui/2007-03.log | 01:07 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] | 01:09 | |
| -!- patspam [n=notgiven@203-214-26-249.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #webgui | 01:23 | |
| patspam | hey all | 01:23 |
| patspam | I'm populating the options in a select box from user input (entries separated by newlines) | 01:24 |
| patspam | does wG have an escape function i can use to properly escape the user input? | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | look in WebGUI::HTML | 01:26 |
| patspam | yeah i had a look in there, nothing really seemed to fit the bill | 01:28 |
| patspam | it might be enough to just replace double quotes in the user input | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought somebody put a filtering function in the core somewhere, but I could be wrong. | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | You can also ask HTML::Template to do it for you | 01:30 |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui | 01:30 | |
| patspam | ah ok, thanks | 01:30 |
| -!- preaction_ [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 01:33 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI | 01:36 | |
| patspam | I think I'll use HTML::Entities::encode() | 01:37 |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Connection timed out] | 01:40 | |
| -!- patspam [n=notgiven@203-214-26-249.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] | 02:01 | |
| -!- TheSeparator [i=Seppie@cp43027-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has left #webgui [] | 02:11 | |
| -!- preaction_ is now known as preaction | 02:29 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 02:29 | |
| @preaction | O'Doyle Rules! | 02:29 |
| @rizen | he does? | 02:31 |
| @rizen | why? | 02:31 |
| @rizen | i'm not saying i disagree. | 02:31 |
| @rizen | wahoo...no mobo on the way | 02:34 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] | 02:49 | |
| Radix-wrk | no new Heroes for a month and a half :( | 02:54 |
| @rizen | i know..that sux ass | 02:56 |
| @rizen | ok..i need an opinion...we have an open programmer position | 02:56 |
| @rizen | should we pay for advertising on jobs.perl.org | 02:56 |
| Radix-wrk | expensive? | 02:57 |
| @rizen | wisconsinjob.com (biggest jobs site locally) | 02:57 |
| @rizen | or monster | 02:57 |
| @rizen | assume cost doesn't matter | 02:57 |
| @preaction | you have to pay for jobs.perl.org? | 02:57 |
| @preaction | well, you did find me on jobs.perl.org | 02:57 |
| @rizen | you can post for free on jobs.perl.org | 02:57 |
| @rizen | BUT | 02:57 |
| @rizen | you fall off the front page within 3 days | 02:57 |
| @rizen | you can buy a permanent spot on the front page for 30 days | 02:58 |
| Radix-wrk | I'd assume that jobs.perl.org would be the best place to find a perl programmer myself - but depends how determined you are to find someone local I guess. | 02:58 |
| @rizen | local would be nice..but not necessary | 02:58 |
| @rizen | but being local has all sorts of advantages | 02:59 |
| Radix-wrk | try free at least.. if no cost then should be a given | 02:59 |
| @rizen | and by local i mean within driving distance | 02:59 |
| @rizen | i already posted on jobs.perl.org | 02:59 |
| Radix-wrk | k | 02:59 |
| @rizen | and we fell off the list in 3 days | 02:59 |
| @rizen | got 10 resumes | 02:59 |
| @rizen | we're not allowed to post the job again for 60 days on that site | 03:00 |
| @rizen | i suppose i could rewrite the job description a little and call it a new job | 03:00 |
| @rizen | preaction...do you know anybody like you...cuz i'd love to hire another you | 03:01 |
| Radix-wrk | hehe.. clone him! | 03:01 |
| @preaction | find me a cadre of attractive, intelligent womens! i've got your clone right here | 03:01 |
| @rizen | that will take years | 03:01 |
| @rizen | need someone sooner | 03:02 |
| @rizen | =) | 03:02 |
| Radix-wrk | might take a few years to train tho | 03:02 |
| @preaction | damnit, i'm beginning to think there'll be no forced mating at all... | 03:02 |
| @rizen | oh there will be...but it will be to my ugly sister | 03:02 |
| @rizen | =) | 03:02 |
| @rizen | and it won't be a bonus, but rather a punishment...if you miss your current deadline | 03:03 |
| @preaction | you know what they say about the ugly ones... | 03:05 |
| @preaction | but dude, that's your sister | 03:05 |
| @preaction | it'd be evil to inflict me upon her. i'm an arrogant nerd. what part of that is good? | 03:06 |
| @rizen | wait until you meet my sister...you'll change your tune | 03:06 |
| @preaction | i'll bet she's more attractive than at least two of my ex-gfs :p | 03:07 |
| @preaction | i mean, JT with bewbs, could be hot | 03:07 |
| * preaction should stop before this gets ugly | 03:07 | |
| @rizen | yeah | 03:08 |
| @rizen | on second thought...i don't want another you on staff | 03:08 |
| @preaction | there can be only one! | 03:09 |
| @rizen | i think that as an incentive to get all my employees to move to madison, i will declare fridays "Catan Fridays" | 03:20 |
| @rizen | where we do nothing but play Settlers of Catan every friday | 03:20 |
| xdanger | love that game | 03:25 |
| @rizen | oh yeah..check this out...mayfair games uses webgui | 03:26 |
| @rizen | i'm hoping to bid on the new catanonline.com project | 03:26 |
| @rizen | to build the ajax version of catan online | 03:26 |
| @rizen | and build it IN WEBGUI | 03:27 |
| xdanger | sweet =) | 03:28 |
| @preaction | i've never played, but wikipedia seems to make it look decently fun | 03:29 |
| xdanger | there's a free online java version of it somewhere | 03:30 |
| xdanger | A student project or something like that... nothing fancy | 03:30 |
| xdanger | but now some sleep... | 03:32 |
| @preaction | remind me to take my next paycheque and invest in a decent living room set... this futon is starting to make my bottom hurt like nobody's business | 03:42 |
| -!- snapcount_ [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 03:48 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 03:48 | |
| @rizen | preaction: use your next check to buy a couch | 03:54 |
| @rizen | this is your reminder | 03:54 |
| @preaction | thanks! | 03:55 |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has joined #webgui | 04:48 | |
| PedersenMJ | good evening | 04:48 |
| @preaction | bonjourno, que pata? | 04:48 |
| PedersenMJ | nada mucho, y tu? | 04:49 |
| Radix-wrk | que? | 04:49 |
| @preaction | 13+ days of working 10 hours a day... i'm tire | 04:50 |
| PedersenMJ | nada mucho esta pasando para mi. Solo pregunte lo que pasa para todos de Uds. | 04:50 |
| @preaction | i would totally rather be playing SupCom right now | 04:50 |
| PedersenMJ | A proposito, le que dije fue para Radix. | 04:50 |
| @preaction | but if i start it, i won't get done until 5am | 04:50 |
| PedersenMJ | Well, still sounds like you need a day off anyway... | 04:51 |
| * Radix-wrk 's entire spanish vocabulary comes from reruns of Faulty Towers. He doesn't understand a word of what Ped said. | 04:51 | |
| @preaction | Radix-wrk: is fawlty towers worth downloading? i did Black Adder and it sucked | 04:51 |
| @preaction | but i did Red Dwarf and that was amazing | 04:52 |
| Radix-wrk | pfft.. shame on you | 04:52 |
| @preaction | i'm on Scrubs right now | 04:52 |
| @preaction | wtf? | 04:52 |
| PedersenMJ | Well, to translate, one line at a time: | 04:52 |
| * preaction adjusts his eye-patch | 04:52 | |
| @preaction | there aren't any ninjas in here, right? | 04:52 |
| Radix-wrk | Black Adder (with the exception of season 1) is one of the greatest comedy shows ever | 04:52 |
| PedersenMJ | "Nothing much, and you?" | 04:52 |
| @preaction | ohh, so it's season 1 that sucked | 04:52 |
| @preaction | there'd be the reason why i didn't get past it | 04:52 |
| PedersenMJ | "Nothing much is happening for me. I just asked what was happening for all of you." | 04:53 |
| @preaction | but seriously, Red Dwarf tops Black Adder any day of the week | 04:53 |
| PedersenMJ | "By the way, I said that for Radix" | 04:53 |
| @preaction | "He's Arnold, Arnold, Arnold Rimmer / Without him life would be much dimmer." | 04:53 |
| PedersenMJ | Never watched either of those shows. Someday, I'll get around to it. | 04:53 |
| Radix-wrk | Season 1 was pretty poor - but Seasons 2+ are classics, mostly because they got Ben Elton to start writing for them from season 2 onwards | 04:53 |
| PedersenMJ | What I saw of Fawlty Towers, though, was, well, rather sucky. | 04:54 |
| @rizen | you're all wrong, The Colbert Report is the best of all time | 04:54 |
| Radix-wrk | Red Dwarf is funny, but lacks the subtlety of Black Adder | 04:54 |
| @rizen | Which religion wins for best Apocalypse? The Toyota Camry due to it's side impact air bags. | 04:54 |
| @preaction | rizen: have you become spam? | 04:55 |
| @rizen | Most news shows tell the news to you. I swear that as long as I'm on the air, I'll feel the news at you. | 04:55 |
| @rizen | i'm not spam...just telling you quips from the daily show | 04:56 |
| @rizen | sorry, from the colbert report | 04:57 |
| @rizen | what, i can't recite lines, but you guys can | 04:57 |
| @rizen | such a double standard in this place | 04:57 |
| @preaction | nono, it just sounded like those spam e-mails | 04:57 |
| PedersenMJ | nah, those spam emails make less sense. | 04:57 |
| PedersenMJ | I didn't recognize the quotes, but could see there was some form of logic to them. | 04:57 |
| PedersenMJ | What's really scary is that I actually *did* see some logic in there. | 04:58 |
| @preaction | "Star search at age, determined diva was? Mediatilt ya head back, discusses balancing love medley livefrom." | 05:00 |
| @preaction | it's like something out of an eliza-bot | 05:00 |
| PedersenMJ | Now *that* sounds like a spam. | 05:01 |
| @preaction | is there a cache that gets built for lineage or something? it seems the first page view of a page that has a large number of descendants takes a while and does a lot of db queries | 05:05 |
| @preaction | this is after a migration script is run | 05:05 |
| @rizen | is there a nav on that page? | 05:06 |
| @rizen | every asset in that nav has to be instanciated | 05:06 |
| @preaction | there is a nav asset, but all the assets are hidden | 05:06 |
| @rizen | which is why large hierarchical navs in webgui are a bad idea | 05:06 |
| @rizen | doesn't matter if they are hidden | 05:06 |
| @preaction | and later page views do not do the 5300 queries | 05:06 |
| @rizen | it still has to instanciate them to find out that it's hidden | 05:06 |
| @preaction | that doesn't sound good. why not just "where isHidden IS NULL"? | 05:07 |
| @preaction | because it could skip a lineage step, i see | 05:07 |
| @rizen | no | 05:07 |
| @rizen | the problem is that we need to skip descendants of anything that's hidden | 05:08 |
| @rizen | so we need to know what's hidden | 05:08 |
| @rizen | and find out the lineage of that | 05:08 |
| @rizen | because the descendants might not be hidden | 05:08 |
| @rizen | and then skip anything that also has that lineage | 05:08 |
| @preaction | right. it could skip the hidden one, and that one might have children that are hidden (i just didn't write it into english very well) | 05:08 |
| @rizen | why can't you just trust that i'm a genius | 05:08 |
| @preaction | oh... i.uh.. no reason | 05:09 |
| @rizen | navigation is roughly the hardest thing that webgui has to do | 05:09 |
| @preaction | amen to that | 05:09 |
| @preaction | and the flexibility of the nav asset is definitely a testament to your genius | 05:09 |
| @preaction | ability to make breadcrumb trails using it, pure gold | 05:09 |
| @rizen | the original genius for the nav asset is actually len kranendonk | 05:11 |
| @rizen | i just refined his idea to make it what it is | 05:11 |
| @rizen | i'm not a genius | 05:11 |
| @rizen | but i do wish i could make the nav asset less hard on the system | 05:11 |
| @preaction | perhaps add "include classes"? i mean, most of the extra-numerous things are Threads and Events and similar assets. so if someone wants them in their nav, they have to add them to the nav themselves? | 05:13 |
| @rizen | that would probably be somewhat helpful | 05:15 |
| @rizen | but maybe more useful would be "include only containers" | 05:15 |
| @rizen | yes/no | 05:16 |
| @rizen | yours is more flexible | 05:16 |
| @preaction | it'd be easier, sure | 05:16 |
| @rizen | but how often are you going to select stuff other than containers | 05:16 |
| @rizen | except when you want everything | 05:16 |
| @preaction | true, but navigation calls $asset->get, no? | 05:16 |
| @preaction | to get the vars? | 05:16 |
| @rizen | yes | 05:17 |
| @rizen | why do you ask? | 05:17 |
| @preaction | you could totally subvert the entire navigation asset to make a "master calendar" or a "all forum threads" thingy | 05:17 |
| @rizen | it doesn't get the whole set of vars though | 05:17 |
| @preaction | oh, nm | 05:17 |
| @rizen | it only gets those relevant to nav | 05:17 |
| @preaction | that idea remains an idea, once i find a way to implement it | 05:17 |
| @rizen | title, menutitle, synopsis etc | 05:17 |
| @rizen | it could be a really cool idea | 05:18 |
| @preaction | if done properly ;) | 05:18 |
| @rizen | but you'd have to prove to me that it would not only add cool functionality, but that it would increase performance as well | 05:18 |
| @rizen | the nav and the CS don't get to add anything unless they also increase performance | 05:18 |
| @preaction | oh, no, the nav wouldn't get it. i'd make a new wobject to do this (for the reason you said) | 05:19 |
| @preaction | but i think best bet for the nav restricting classes might either be a radio list ("All", "Containers", or "Choose Your Destiny:") or just a list with two extra buttons, one for "Select All" and one for "Select Container Assets" | 05:19 |
| @preaction | the default being "Containers" for anyone with a uiLevel less than X (X being a larger number than 5) | 05:20 |
| @rizen | i've decided to kill you | 05:20 |
| @preaction | quickly? | 05:20 |
| @rizen | slowly | 05:20 |
| @preaction | damnit | 05:20 |
| @rizen | and provide blood transfusions if necessary | 05:20 |
| @rizen | to draw it out | 05:20 |
| @preaction | pour gasoline in my eyes to make sure i don't pass out? | 05:21 |
| @preaction | a new form element! WebGUI::Form::AssetClasses | 05:21 |
| @preaction | i could totally use that on the meta-wobject thingy i described earlier | 05:22 |
| @preaction | could be worse, i haven't been able to touch the webgui core in weeks | 05:22 |
| @rizen | i've been doing the job of 3 people for the week | 05:23 |
| @rizen | and pretty poorly too | 05:23 |
| @preaction | well, you're only two men! | 05:23 |
| @rizen | i know | 05:23 |
| @preaction | get vrby off his lazy butt | 05:24 |
| @preaction | or Kristy, what does she do around here anyway? | 05:24 |
| @rizen | currently she's doing what you wanted to do | 05:24 |
| @preaction | oh, right, vacation | 05:24 |
| @rizen | which was go out to DC and hang out with the DoS peeps | 05:24 |
| @preaction | but then again, she's doing training. so it's really a tossup | 05:25 |
| @rizen | have you found my new employee yet? | 05:25 |
| @preaction | i've been trying the mitosis thing, but i keep just coming up with dead skin cells | 05:25 |
| @rizen | actually, here's an incentive for you | 05:26 |
| @rizen | the faster we find another good perl guy or girl, the less you have to work | 05:26 |
| @preaction | hmm... guilt-free weekends | 05:26 |
| @preaction | where are these resume sites? don't they let me browse for free? | 05:27 |
| @preaction | wait, girl? there are no girls on the internet! | 05:29 |
| @rizen | we have a girl working for us | 05:29 |
| @rizen | or did you forget | 05:29 |
| @rizen | we actually have 2 | 05:29 |
| @rizen | kristi and tera | 05:29 |
| @preaction | i haven't met tera, admittedly | 05:29 |
| @preaction | but, case in point, kristi isn't hanging out here ;) | 05:29 |
| @preaction | s/the internet/the IRC/ | 05:30 |
| @rizen | true..but neither does vrby or steve | 05:30 |
| @rizen | which must make them women | 05:30 |
| @preaction | well... now that you mention it | 05:30 |
| @preaction | doesn't mean there aren't guys who are not on the IRC, it just means that all the men on IRC are men, all the women are men, and all the teenagers are FBI agents | 05:31 |
| * PedersenMJ reads the job ad. | 05:52 | |
| PedersenMJ | My weaknesses: Very little javascript. Just haven't ever done much with it. Have worked with SQL, but usually stayed with PostGreSQL. | 05:53 |
| PedersenMJ | Oh, and I'm not in WI. | 05:53 |
| PedersenMJ | The rest, though, I've got experience with. Which makes me ask if I should send in a resume? | 05:54 |
| @preaction | you've hung out here: do you think you could handle not being able to click "close" to shut us off? | 05:54 |
| PedersenMJ | Heck, the only reason I've actually closed the window was due to needing to go to bed. And if I had the courage to open up the irc ports at work, I'd log in during the day. | 05:55 |
| @preaction | couldn't hurt to submit the resume | 05:56 |
| PedersenMJ | I'll check it out tomorrow night, and make sure it's up to date, before I do so. | 05:57 |
| @preaction | from what i understand, the opening's for client work. so you'd basically be doing what i do | 05:57 |
| @preaction | some core dev, but mostly client projects | 05:57 |
| @preaction | some support | 05:58 |
| @preaction | depending, of course, on where the powers that be are going with the new hiring | 05:58 |
| @rizen | is that me? | 05:59 |
| @rizen | the powers that be? | 06:00 |
| PedersenMJ | I would think so, yes. | 06:00 |
| @preaction | you and the operations manager | 06:00 |
| @rizen | i should put a new alert notice in my irc client | 06:00 |
| @rizen | for "the powers that be" | 06:00 |
| @preaction | but how can we refer to you without having a notice pop up at inopportune times | 06:00 |
| @preaction | like when you're spending time with your special lady | 06:01 |
| @preaction | or your wife? | 06:01 |
| @rizen | i'll just turn off irc when that would be a problem | 06:01 |
| PedersenMJ | So, jt, I'll ask you directly (since subtlety has never been a strong point for me): Should I send in my resume? | 06:02 |
| @preaction | turn... "off"... irc? qu'est-ce que c'est | 06:02 |
| @rizen | absolutely | 06:03 |
| @rizen | i can't rule you out until i know what you can do | 06:03 |
| @rizen | likewise i can't rule you in either | 06:03 |
| @rizen | send it to info@plainblack.com | 06:03 |
| @rizen | ok so i've just proven a theory | 06:03 |
| @rizen | webgui is actually slower with cache in some cases | 06:03 |
| @rizen | than without | 06:03 |
| PedersenMJ | I'll do so. I just want to make sure it's up to date. | 06:04 |
| @rizen | if the file cache grows too big, it can become 10 times slower than without cache | 06:04 |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] | 06:22 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui | 06:30 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 06:30 | |
| +perlDreamer | close them all, rizen! | 07:15 |
| @rizen | i'm closing what i can man | 07:15 |
| @rizen | i'm working on the db fatal sql form one right now | 07:15 |
| @rizen | alsmost fixed | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought we had to wait until exceptions in 7.4 to fix that one | 07:16 |
| @rizen | we don't need exceptions to fix this | 07:16 |
| @rizen | roy said that | 07:16 |
| @rizen | he's wrong | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | gotcha | 07:16 |
| @rizen | as often he is | 07:16 |
| @rizen | one more down | 07:22 |
| PedersenMJ | g'night all. definitely bed time for me. | 07:23 |
| @rizen | later | 07:23 |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has quit [] | 07:23 | |
| @rizen | oops...didn't take into account what you were doing with dbNotAvailable | 07:27 |
| @rizen | have to implement something simpler | 07:27 |
| +perlDreamer | what did I do? | 07:28 |
| @rizen | i assume you created dbNotAvailable | 07:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think so | 07:29 |
| * perlDreamer goes to run svn blame | 07:29 | |
| @rizen | doesn't matter | 07:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I need you to remind me if we want to fix the calendar bug with the single day view of a multi-view event | 07:38 |
| @rizen | multi day you mean? | 07:39 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 07:39 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/calender#TKMNSvU-0qlmsv3aNk5W7g | 07:39 |
| +perlDreamer | that one | 07:39 |
| @rizen | maybe i don't understand the problem, but i don't know how you can show a multiday event in a single day display | 07:39 |
| @rizen | by definition you're showing only one day | 07:39 |
| @rizen | so how can you see mutliple days? | 07:39 |
| +perlDreamer | you can't. but if you go to the day view for any of the 3 days that event should show | 07:40 |
| +perlDreamer | as all day | 07:40 |
| @rizen | oh yeah it should definitely show | 07:40 |
| @rizen | ok. so that's what i was missing | 07:40 |
| @rizen | yes, that should be fixed | 07:40 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 07:40 |
| +perlDreamer | man, it's easy to alter the SQL to find the events, but it makes the display logic a lot more complex. | 07:49 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: do you know if DateTime objects have an iterator? | 07:54 |
| @rizen | don't know what you mean | 07:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to iterate over days in a month. It would be very convenient if each iterated object was not the day, but a DateTime object of that day already set up | 07:55 |
| +perlDreamer | kind of like | 07:55 |
| +perlDreamer | foreach my $monthDay ( $dt->startDate .. $dt2->endDate) | 07:56 |
| @rizen | i see | 07:56 |
| @rizen | there's nothing like that that i know of | 07:56 |
| @rizen | but you could do a while loop easy | 07:56 |
| @rizen | because there is a $dt->add method | 07:57 |
| @rizen | so just keep adding a day to it | 07:57 |
| @rizen | each time | 07:57 |
| +perlDreamer | cool, that should work right | 07:57 |
| @rizen | nearly every bug left out there is calendar releated | 08:01 |
| @rizen | related | 08:01 |
| +perlDreamer | are you bug fixing tomorrow? | 08:01 |
| @rizen | support + fixing | 08:01 |
| @rizen | first bug on tap is that caching one | 08:01 |
| @rizen | from mlamar | 08:01 |
| +perlDreamer | priority bug fix? | 08:02 |
| @rizen | no...just pissing me off | 08:02 |
| @rizen | =) | 08:02 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the same thing, but it doesn't pay as well | 08:02 |
| @rizen | i hope i'm done with priority stuff for the week | 08:02 |
| @rizen | i fixed a lot of shit already this week | 08:02 |
| +perlDreamer | you were a js hacking fiend | 08:03 |
| @rizen | i hate trying to fix tinymce bugs | 08:03 |
| @rizen | it's so touchy | 08:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Do we need to do some additional testing on these new fixes? | 08:04 |
| @rizen | what new fixes? | 08:04 |
| @rizen | everything we've done so far? | 08:04 |
| +perlDreamer | the tinymce fixes | 08:04 |
| @rizen | oh | 08:04 |
| @rizen | i spent 3 hours testing the changes i made | 08:04 |
| @rizen | i think they work | 08:05 |
| @rizen | and tomorrow the client will have a dozen people testing them | 08:05 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 08:05 |
| +perlDreamer | we do seem to be making more side effect bugs than we used to | 08:05 |
| +perlDreamer | fixing direct bugs but injecting new bugs sideways | 08:05 |
| @rizen | i may have to rewrite the SQL report just because the peeps that have mutilated it into what it is | 08:06 |
| @rizen | were on crack | 08:06 |
| @rizen | it's totally hard to understand these days | 08:06 |
| +perlDreamer | PBP it to death | 08:06 |
| @rizen | that's what i'm thinking | 08:06 |
| @rizen | as i've been going here i've been trying to do that | 08:06 |
| @rizen | all the stuff i've committed has had new comments, white space, }\n else { breaks | 08:07 |
| @rizen | etc | 08:07 |
| +perlDreamer | that's called uncuddled elses | 08:07 |
| @rizen | i knew there was a name.. | 08:07 |
| @rizen | .but couldn't remember | 08:07 |
| +perlDreamer | kristi's wrong search one should be an easy one to close if you need a breather from the heavy stuff. | 08:08 |
| +perlDreamer | but knowmad will want to know about phrase searching | 08:08 |
| @rizen | i need a nightcap | 08:08 |
| @rizen | i'm all pow for the day | 08:08 |
| +perlDreamer | pow? | 08:08 |
| +perlDreamer | Prisoner of WebGUI? | 08:09 |
| @rizen | just sprained my brain on the sql report | 08:09 |
| @rizen | pow = hawaiian for done | 08:09 |
| +perlDreamer | and all this time I thought you were teaching me Chicagoan | 08:09 |
| @rizen | my ex fiance was hawaiian, and that's one of the things i picked up | 08:10 |
| +perlDreamer | well, we'll see you tomorrow then | 08:11 |
| +perlDreamer | same gooey time, same gooey channel | 08:11 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit [""good night""] | 08:11 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] | 09:10 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 09:42 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 09:42 | |
| -!- AMH_bob [n=chatzill@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui | 10:10 | |
| -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui | 11:19 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 14:03 | |
| -!- ckotil [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has quit ["leaving"] | 15:49 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@15.sub-75-205-235.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI | 16:12 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 16:20 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ | 16:20 | |
| -!- snapcount_ [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 16:28 | |
| @preaction | perlbot .nl | 17:32 |
| perlbot | .nl is Netherlands | 17:32 |
| gooeybot | i already had it that way, perlbot. | 17:32 |
| -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] | 18:04 | |
| -!- AMH_bob [n=chatzill@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has left #webgui ["User is away."] | 18:14 | |
| -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui | 18:29 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ | 18:29 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has joined #webgui | 18:31 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 18:31 | |
| +perlDreamer | good work madison, wi | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070308/ap_on_he_me/fitness_walkable_city;_ylt=AmKpP2Xx9QdhfVAHTUeEI1e9j7AB | 18:32 |
| @rizen | hehe | 18:33 |
| @rizen | we are almost always in the top five best places to live in the nation as well | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | You're still trying to seduce us all to move out there, aren't you? | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | think about it, no more out of time zone phone calls | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | meeting with customers at the pub/coffeehouse down the way | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | your life would be so easy | 18:34 |
| @rizen | i'm not trying to ask customers to move here | 18:34 |
| @rizen | but certainly all the devs | 18:34 |
| @rizen | and contributors | 18:35 |
| @rizen | you and crythias should move here | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI, sponsored by Madison, WI | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | you should get the city government to use wG | 18:35 |
| +crythias | don't think wife would like. | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | kathy does like snow | 18:35 |
| @rizen | why not? just show her that article | 18:35 |
| @rizen | and she'll be all over it | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, man. The tests are screwed | 18:57 |
| @rizen | sweet | 18:59 |
| @rizen | i love screwed tests | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you eat them plain or with ketchup? | 19:00 |
| @rizen | mayo usually | 19:00 |
| @rizen | ketchup has too much sugar | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | sidebar: Weather::Com needs to be installed on the smoke-test machine | 19:00 |
| @rizen | it is installed | 19:00 |
| @rizen | or at least roy better have installed it when he did the upgrade | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | "Can't locate object method "definition" via package WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::WeatherData " | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Can't locate Weather/Simple.pm in @INC | 19:02 |
| @rizen | i'm checking it | 19:02 |
| @rizen | hold your horsefeathers together | 19:02 |
| @rizen | you do have horsefeathers don't you? | 19:02 |
| @rizen | it's installed | 19:03 |
| @rizen | weather/simple | 19:03 |
| @rizen | did you paste that? | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes, from last night's smoke test run | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/downloads/builds/nightly_2007-03-09/test.log | 19:03 |
| @rizen | it's supposed to be weather::com::simple | 19:03 |
| @rizen | someone changed it | 19:04 |
| @rizen | going to svn | 19:05 |
| @rizen | to get evidence to hang someone | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | that's me | 19:05 |
| * SDuensin loves "blame". | 19:05 | |
| +perlDreamer | I'll save you the trip | 19:05 |
| @rizen | why? | 19:06 |
| @rizen | why do you ruin all my beautiful plans? | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm addicted to abuse and rejection. | 19:06 |
| @rizen | are you changing it back? | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes, right after I make sure I have the right module installed on my end | 19:07 |
| @rizen | and for the love of all that is pure and good...why would you have changed the name? | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I installed the wrong weather module | 19:08 |
| @rizen | you hate me? | 19:08 |
| @rizen | is that it? | 19:08 |
| @rizen | you want each release we put out to be worse than the last? | 19:08 |
| @rizen | is my guilt trip working? | 19:09 |
| * perlDreamer goes to iron his hands | 19:09 | |
| @rizen | i say off with his head | 19:11 |
| @rizen | who's with me? | 19:11 |
| * rizen hears crickets | 19:11 | |
| @rizen | ok...then i say, live and be free | 19:12 |
| @rizen | who's with me? | 19:12 |
| * rizen still hearing crickets | 19:12 | |
| @rizen | apparently no one cares whether you live or die pd | 19:12 |
| * perlDreamer is used to getting death threats | 19:13 | |
| * perlDreamer is most aggrieved | 19:13 | |
| @rizen | what's funny is i just don't expect you to make mistakes like that | 19:14 |
| @rizen | you seem to be more careful than everyone (including me) | 19:14 |
| @rizen | oh well...no biggie | 19:14 |
| @rizen | good thing i didn't release yesterday though | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes it is | 19:15 |
| @rizen | and good thing for smoke tests | 19:15 |
| @rizen | ok...must go get ears lowered now | 19:15 |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has joined #webgui | 19:53 | |
| cap10morgan | If Spectre doesn't run for awhile, will committed version tags get lost? | 19:54 |
| cap10morgan | i have a site where there's lots of locked assets because spectre wasn't running, but now that it is, it doesn't seem to be unlocking them and committing their changes... | 19:54 |
| cap10morgan | nm, it was just backed up. working fine after all. :) | 20:13 |
| @rizen | yeah, spectre won't lose anything | 20:27 |
| @rizen | all data is persisted to the database until spectre has verified it's completion | 20:27 |
| @rizen | so unless you have a corrupt file system | 20:28 |
| @rizen | or you muck around in the db | 20:28 |
| @rizen | you'll never lose anything | 20:28 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: do the smoke tests log coverage some place? | 20:30 |
| @rizen | it's supposed to, but doesn't appear to be doing that | 20:31 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, I'll double check the coverage of the tests as I fix them | 20:31 |
| @rizen | i can either fix bugs, or look into that though, so i think i'll keep fixing bugs | 20:32 |
| @rizen | how come you never hear anyone call someone "sweet tits" anymore | 20:37 |
| @rizen | i think it should make a comeback | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | must me a mid-west thing | 20:39 |
| @rizen | i think it's just an old 80s movie thing, where there's a bar scene | 20:40 |
| @rizen | i've never actually heard a real person utter it | 20:40 |
| cap10morgan | my roommate calls me that all the time | 21:04 |
| cap10morgan | :) | 21:04 |
| @rizen | are you serious? | 21:08 |
| +crythias | hee | 21:10 |
| cap10morgan | yep, he uses it pretty often | 21:15 |
| cap10morgan | especially in situations where the person is clearly not a "sweet tits" | 21:15 |
| cap10morgan | such as yours truly | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | is wG safe from the Time Zone changes happening on Sunday? | 21:20 |
| @rizen | first of all..tz changes are no big deal | 21:26 |
| @rizen | for webgui | 21:26 |
| @rizen | so even if the tz was screwed up | 21:26 |
| @rizen | it's not going to cause millions in damage or anything | 21:27 |
| @rizen | however, you should update your tz file | 21:27 |
| @rizen | DateTime::TimeZone | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | should we put a note out there for other users to do the same? | 21:43 |
| @rizen | i'll do an advisory | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | You're a good man, Charlie Brown | 22:01 |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has quit [] | 22:01 | |
| +perlDreamer | There's only 1 test left to fix | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Session/Http.t | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | should be back to clean running soon | 22:03 |
| * perlDreamer goes running, be back later | 22:08 | |
| @rizen | so we got an applicant named martin | 23:06 |
| @rizen | do we need to throw it out just so we don't conflict with MrHairgrease? | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | he must admit that he is not eurotrash and abstain from pomade of any fair | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | if he should claim to be eurotrash in name or deed, then take him to the gate of the city, lay hands on him and stone him until death. | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | with stones | 23:27 |
| @rizen | consider it done | 23:29 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, and no eating blood or strangled animals, either | 23:30 |
| * perlDreamer just got done reading Deuteronomy | 23:30 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@15.sub-75-205-235.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 23:41 | |
| --- Day changed Sat Mar 10 2007 | ||
| -!- dwalisser [n=dwalisse@74-129-192-43.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #webgui | 00:11 | |
| dwalisser | in the macro list of the webgui config is there a way that I can specify the arguments to the macro, or is this just an alias of the macro name? | 00:12 |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has joined #webgui | 00:13 | |
| +perlDreamer | It's just an alias to the name | 00:13 |
| dwalisser | ok thanx | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | although, it would be slick if you could define meta-macros with preconfigured arguments | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Kind of like prototypes of Assets | 00:14 |
| dwalisser | yeah, I have SQL macros that get reused everywhere and are pretty ugly to look at | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | have you tried to use a snippet to wrap them? | 00:14 |
| dwalisser | no... what macro would I use to call in the snippet? | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | ^AssetProxy(/url/to/snippet); | 00:16 |
| dwalisser | I like that, thanx | 00:17 |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 00:35 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has joined #webgui | 00:39 | |
| -!- dwalisser [n=dwalisse@74-129-192-43.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 01:12 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] | 01:37 | |
| -!- cap10morgan_ [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-1.adsl.indra.com] has joined #webgui | 01:39 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 01:43 | |
| -!- snapcount_ [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 02:01 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 02:01 | |
| -!- cap10morgan_ [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-1.adsl.indra.com] has quit [] | 02:03 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-1.adsl.indra.com] has joined #webgui | 02:04 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-1.adsl.indra.com] has quit [] | 02:48 | |
| -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has left #webgui [] | 03:33 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI | 03:42 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-122.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui | 05:43 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui | 06:50 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 06:50 | |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: I fixed the last failing session test | 06:50 |
| +perlDreamer | Tomorrow's run should be clean again | 06:50 |
| +perlDreamer | You are officially cleared to release | 06:51 |
| @rizen | no release | 06:51 |
| @rizen | not ever | 06:51 |
| +perlDreamer | You're right. We'll just stay at 7.3.11 | 06:52 |
| @rizen | why not, really | 06:52 |
| +perlDreamer | It's for the best, otherwise the second release would be unlucky | 06:52 |
| @rizen | agreed | 06:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you think anyone would notice if we didn't release a .13? | 06:52 |
| @rizen | not only that...but we seem to break more than we fix each time | 06:53 |
| +perlDreamer | That's just me. I'll take a break and just write tests for a while. | 06:53 |
| @rizen | hehe...no way | 06:53 |
| @rizen | we need these damn bugs fixed | 06:53 |
| +perlDreamer | which ones? | 06:53 |
| @rizen | all of them | 06:53 |
| @rizen | i'm going to continue all next week on it | 06:54 |
| @rizen | methinks | 06:54 |
| @rizen | unless i get sucked into some client thing | 06:54 |
| +perlDreamer | what about the WRE? | 06:54 |
| @rizen | on hold | 06:54 |
| @rizen | until we get 7.3 done | 06:54 |
| @rizen | it's pissing me off | 06:54 |
| @rizen | actually it's not 7.3 that's pissing me off | 06:55 |
| @rizen | but rather that it seems we can't clean off the damn bug board | 06:55 |
| @rizen | man that gets my goat | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I have mixed feeling about that. | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm tired of fixing bugs | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | but the more we fix now is less we fix later | 06:55 |
| @rizen | on that you're right | 06:55 |
| @rizen | but i just don't want there to be anymore bugs | 06:55 |
| @rizen | how can there be this many | 06:55 |
| @rizen | is it that i write such shitty code | 06:56 |
| @rizen | is it that there are more users doing more things so they just find more bugs | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | That's it exactly. Plus we keep pumping more new features into wG. | 06:56 |
| @rizen | is it that the code base is so huge and complex that there has to be thousands of bugs | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | that, too | 06:56 |
| @rizen | no we don't...we haven't added any new features in 3 months | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | The Calendar | 06:56 |
| @rizen | yet the bugs are coming in as fast as they ever had | 06:57 |
| @rizen | the calendar was released back in december | 06:57 |
| @rizen | 3 months | 06:57 |
| @rizen | that's what i'm saying...we've been fixing bugs on 7.3 for 3 months | 06:57 |
| @rizen | and the speed at which bugs are coming in is not slowing | 06:57 |
| +perlDreamer | it is slowing a little. I've actually been handling most of them. | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | That's something. | 06:58 |
| @rizen | ok but this week i killed a dozen...and so did you | 06:58 |
| @rizen | but at the end of the week, the bug list is the same length...approx 40 bugs | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think the newest 2 are really bugs. | 06:59 |
| @rizen | let me look | 06:59 |
| @rizen | crap...can't simply say no to them without verification | 07:00 |
| @rizen | i was hoping for some easy kills | 07:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll take the Open in New Page | 07:01 |
| @rizen | i'm going to bed...and you should too. we'll take it up next week | 07:02 |
| @rizen | this weekend i won't be bug fixing because i have 6 new servers to build | 07:02 |
| @rizen | if you don't rest you'll burn out man | 07:02 |
| @rizen | and i need you | 07:02 |
| @rizen | seeing you here gives me strength | 07:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll be careful. | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm building a server myself this weekend | 07:03 |
| @rizen | oh yeah? new client? | 07:03 |
| @rizen | ok...well, off to bed for me. | 07:05 |
| @rizen | have a good weekend | 07:05 |
| +perlDreamer | good night, JT | 07:06 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."] | 07:23 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-122.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has left #webgui [] | 07:59 | |
| -!- Hinrik_ [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 09:46 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 10:04 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 14:01 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ | 14:01 | |
| -!- snapcount_ [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 148 (No route to host)] | 14:09 | |
| -!- Hinrik_ is now known as Hinrik | 19:39 | |
| --- Day changed Sun Mar 11 2007 | ||
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [] | 01:31 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-122.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui | 04:31 | |
| cap10morgan | Anyone know of any existing efforts to integrate a CRM w/ WebGUI? | 04:32 |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] | 05:10 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 05:47 | |
| Radix_ | cap10morgan, rizen has mentioned that others have shown interest in it. He also said that PB has done custom work to integrate with SalesForce and the like | 06:34 |
| Radix_ | it would take a lot of work to add a whole CRM infrastructure into webgui tho, and no one company is willing to pay for that work | 06:35 |
| cap10morgan | Radix_: ok | 06:35 |
| cap10morgan | there's a possibility that this summer I and several others will be working to make CiviCRM work w/ WebGUI | 06:35 |
| cap10morgan | so that's obviously more political advocacy focused, as opposed to business... | 06:36 |
| cap10morgan | but we political advocacy :) | 06:36 |
| cap10morgan | er, we do | 06:36 |
| cap10morgan | it will all be open source | 06:37 |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 08:07 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ | 08:08 | |
| -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users, it has hostages."] | 10:36 | |
| -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui | 14:40 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 15:10 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 16:35 | |
| -!- gooeybot [n=gooeybot@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] | 16:54 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI | 18:43 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 18:56 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ | 18:56 | |
| -!- preaction_ [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 21:14 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 21:30 | |
| -!- preaction_ is now known as preaction | 21:39 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 21:39 | |
| --- Day changed Mon Mar 12 2007 | ||
| -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has joined #webgui | 02:05 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] | 02:12 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 02:12 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ | 02:12 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui | 02:27 | |
| -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has left #webgui [] | 02:48 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 05:40 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] | 09:50 | |
| -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui | 09:55 | |
| -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users, it has hostages."] | 14:30 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 15:34 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ | 15:34 | |
| -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui | 16:15 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has joined #webgui | 17:15 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 17:15 | |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: just want to give you a heads up that I patched AssetVersioning->getRevisions to return revisions in revisionDate order | 17:17 |
| @rizen | cool..did you close the RFE then? | 17:17 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, no. I completely forgot about that. That query is stand alone. | 17:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I noticed that in the Wiki that revisions were not in order | 17:18 |
| +perlDreamer | and traced it back to getRevisions in AssetVersioning | 17:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll send an email back to $home to remind me to finally do that tonight | 17:19 |
| -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] | 18:08 | |
| -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui | 18:44 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ | 18:44 | |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, we need to get erik.svanberg in here hacking with us | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | That guy is good | 19:25 |
| @rizen | not likely | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | he's really busy? | 19:26 |
| @rizen | though he is very good | 19:26 |
| @rizen | he's the CIO of Volvo New Tech | 19:26 |
| @rizen | very busy guy | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | his new bug about rolling versions back. Should the rollback URL be hidden from non-Admins? | 19:27 |
| @rizen | check the code...but i think rollback is allowed provided you are a member of the group that can use the tag | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | ok........www_rollbackVersionTag is limited to Admin | 19:29 |
| @rizen | ok then, yes it should be hidden | 19:30 |
| +crythias | How hard would it be to make the rollback a bring forward as new tag? | 19:32 |
| @rizen | i'm afraid i don't know what you mean? | 19:33 |
| @rizen | are you looking for an "undo commit" | 19:33 |
| @rizen | sort of thing | 19:33 |
| @rizen | where instead of deleting the content | 19:33 |
| +crythias | not really. I thought that was what rollback was | 19:33 |
| @rizen | it makes it as if the tag was never committed | 19:33 |
| @rizen | rollback deletes all content in tag | 19:33 |
| @rizen | makes it as if tag never existed | 19:33 |
| +crythias | I was actually considering it as never deleting the tag. | 19:34 |
| +crythias | that is, a non-destructive rollback in the sense that time never goes backward. | 19:35 |
| @rizen | what is "it" in your above sentence | 19:35 |
| @rizen | the current rollback or the new thing you're talking about | 19:35 |
| +crythias | the new thing I'm talking about | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I think he's saying that rollback would make the most recent committed tag uncommitted, and only do that. | 19:35 |
| +crythias | no | 19:36 |
| @rizen | try starting from scratch | 19:36 |
| +crythias | I'm saying, if you have a tag that you would roll back to, as normal, it doesn't do anything more than set the stuff in place that the tag you're going to roll back to is now. | 19:36 |
| +crythias | sorry | 19:36 |
| +crythias | let me try again | 19:37 |
| @rizen | don't use the word rollback | 19:37 |
| @rizen | because i think you're using it inapproriately | 19:37 |
| +crythias | committed tags: a,b,c, d | 19:37 |
| @rizen | k | 19:37 |
| +crythias | current rollback to b: a, b | 19:37 |
| @rizen | stop | 19:37 |
| @rizen | don't use rollback | 19:37 |
| @rizen | you're using it wrong | 19:37 |
| @rizen | describe what you mean by rollback without using the word roll back | 19:37 |
| +crythias | revert to b? | 19:38 |
| +crythias | whatever the "go back to version b" is as implemented currently. | 19:38 |
| @rizen | pd: mental note...we need to remove all references to rollback in the system | 19:38 |
| @rizen | so you want to delete tags c and d? | 19:38 |
| +crythias | no | 19:39 |
| +crythias | I want it to be: a,b,c,d,b | 19:39 |
| @rizen | so you want tag "b" to become the most recent tag...thusly changing the revision dates of everything in tag b | 19:39 |
| @rizen | or actually | 19:39 |
| +crythias | a "new" tag with the setup of b | 19:39 |
| @rizen | you want to create tag "e" that is identical to tag "b" | 19:39 |
| +crythias | yeah | 19:39 |
| @rizen | but with new dates | 19:39 |
| +crythias | yes | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Synchronicity calls that skipping | 19:40 |
| @rizen | i think that could be done...but i don't know when it would be useful | 19:40 |
| +crythias | my thought is that all versions are simply versions.. | 19:40 |
| @rizen | could you explain when it would be useful? | 19:40 |
| +crythias | if you want to go to b, you can go to b, but you can still go to d after b | 19:40 |
| +crythias | after (new) b | 19:41 |
| @rizen | cry, i get that...what i'm asking is why would you ever want to do that | 19:41 |
| @rizen | you start with "if you want" | 19:42 |
| @rizen | i want to to know why "if you want" would ever be true | 19:42 |
| @rizen | under what circumstances would adding a new rev to an entire tag without making changes to it | 19:42 |
| +crythias | I'm at point j, and I just realized that there was a really neat feature "I forgot" at point b... I'd like to recreate it... | 19:42 |
| @rizen | be advantageous | 19:42 |
| @rizen | yeah, but you're also creating new revs of all the other shit...not just that one asset | 19:43 |
| @rizen | everything in the tag | 19:43 |
| @rizen | why not just create a new rev of that one asset as in the rev switching abilities of the edit screen on assets? | 19:43 |
| @rizen | i see why it would be advantagous for a single asset | 19:43 |
| @rizen | i don't see why on a whole tag | 19:44 |
| +crythias | fair enough. | 19:44 |
| +crythias | the only other "reason" would be a silly one. "This is what it looked like before..." "This is what it looks like now" | 19:44 |
| +crythias | hello? | 19:49 |
| @rizen | sorry...on phone | 19:57 |
| +crythias | ok. np | 19:57 |
| @rizen | anyway..like i said..i think this is a valid feature for individual assets, but not for version tags | 19:57 |
| @rizen | and you can already do it for individual assets | 19:58 |
| -!- crythia1 [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui | 21:54 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ | 21:55 | |
| -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit [Read error: 111 (Connection refused)] | 22:10 | |
| @rizen | an article about maxscience: http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/07/03/12/1449201.shtml | 23:16 |
| xdanger | yey! my ibooks hard drive broke... | 23:18 |
| +perlDreamer | that's good because now you get a new laptop? | 23:18 |
| xdanger | have to wait until april... | 23:19 |
| xdanger | the the warrenty runs out =) | 23:19 |
| xdanger | that's good because now my data, ssh keys, emails are there... now clients have to wait and I have to chill =P | 23:20 |
| xdanger | only problem that there is a deadline on one of the jobs today | 23:20 |
| -!- crythia1 [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has left #webgui [] | 23:32 | |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui | 23:42 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ | 23:42 | |
| @rizen | DAMN IT | 23:44 |
| @rizen | i'm screwing up dealing with poisonous people | 23:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | ha | 23:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | guess what i'm watching right now | 23:44 |
| @rizen | i'm supposed to ignore them | 23:44 |
| @rizen | i have such a hard time doing that | 23:44 |
| @preaction | even when they're spreading blatant falsehoods, though? | 23:45 |
| @rizen | that's what this video is saying | 23:45 |
| @rizen | oh....they're getting to lies right now | 23:46 |
| @rizen | nevermind...they aren't | 23:46 |
| @preaction | i'm 13 minutes in so far | 23:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm at 8.15 | 23:46 |
| @rizen | 40 min in | 23:46 |
| @rizen | crap... at 42:30 they ask me to be nice | 23:50 |
| @rizen | to trolls | 23:50 |
| @preaction | yes :p | 23:50 |
| @rizen | i don't know if ic an do that | 23:50 |
| @preaction | how's our bus-factor doing? | 23:50 |
| @rizen | i think we're doing fine | 23:51 |
| --- Day changed Tue Mar 13 2007 | ||
| +perlDreamer | you can do it | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | If I can do it, you can do it | 00:05 |
| @preaction | they also mention that sometimes it's good to have a variety of responses, the good cop bad cop thing | 00:05 |
| * perlDreamer can't watch videos at work | 00:05 | |
| +perlDreamer | I wonder if that works in reverse | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | You have some jerk come in and spout a bunch o' crud | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Then you come back in later and ask your real requests nicely | 00:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | preaction: so they say, but where do the henchmen come in? | 00:07 |
| -!- TheSeparator [i=Seppie@cp43027-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has joined #webgui | 00:18 | |
| -!- TheSeparator [i=Seppie@cp43027-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has quit [] | 00:26 | |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: you up for a little bug triage? | 00:33 |
| @rizen | can't right now | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 00:34 |
| @rizen | sorry..today got totally hosed | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | not a problem | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll catch you tomorrow or something | 00:36 |
| Radix_ | good cop/bad cop - so rizen is always the bad cop, and preaction/perlDreamer is the good cop? :) | 00:40 |
| Radix_ | haven't you guys been doing that already? :) | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | screw you! | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | wait, wrong role | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | Hey, radix_, how you doing today? | 00:42 |
| Radix_ | I'm awake, and about to cycle into work :) | 00:42 |
| @rizen | pd, i have about 20 minutes or so right now | 01:05 |
| @rizen | can we do it in that amount of time? | 01:05 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] | 01:11 | |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm trying to sort out bugs from user errors from RFEs | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | take the CS open in new windows bug | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/in-default-uss-open-in-new-windows-not-working#PXz6juGS1SJexuK7o8Xnqw | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I think this is an RFE, and we should remove the newWindow.label thing from the CS | 01:18 |
| @rizen | there is a template for that...and if that template isn't working | 01:18 |
| @rizen | then it should work | 01:18 |
| @rizen | and therefore is a bug | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | Okay, I'll find the template | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | How about the duplicate metadata one? | 01:18 |
| @rizen | ask the user what the templates are that they are using | 01:18 |
| @rizen | and then close it | 01:18 |
| @rizen | see if they respond | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/duplicate-metadata#XfA5Zv3ZFHR1kv2nY-l33Q | 01:19 |
| @rizen | yeah i'm reading it..you've replied | 01:19 |
| @rizen | close it | 01:19 |
| @rizen | when you reply, close the bug and when they reply it will reopen | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | so we go open/close/open/close. All right | 01:20 |
| @rizen | if they are unable or unwilling to answer your questions then its not something we can fix | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/calendar-wrong-search-results#A8l-9rHsFQuhmhaQJTZlpg | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | kristi's wrong search results bug | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | search looks in the url | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | but then there's knowmad's phrase question | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | close and have him post a separate bug? | 01:21 |
| @rizen | yes...he needs to learn to stop hijacking other people's bugs | 01:21 |
| @rizen | he always says "along similar..." | 01:21 |
| @rizen | and i always say...similar is not the same | 01:22 |
| @rizen | open your own bug | 01:22 |
| @rizen | with the implied "you fucking bastard" =) | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, this next one is a heads up because I haven't filed it yet | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm getting caching problems as Admin | 01:22 |
| @rizen | what kind of caching problems? | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | Go to a page as Visitor | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | Go to a 2nd page | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | Become Admin on that 2nd page | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | go back to page 1 | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | you see the page as Visitor, not as Admin | 01:23 |
| @rizen | pd, sometimes you seem oblivious to conversations that we have | 01:23 |
| @rizen | that is this: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/stale-pages-after-user-login#mvwxHpNT-lzAQtzpoTmUfg | 01:23 |
| @rizen | which is what i've been saying for the past week and a half | 01:23 |
| @rizen | when i say i'm working on caching | 01:24 |
| @rizen | and it's pissing me off | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, I thought with the work you did last week you were done | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | my bad | 01:24 |
| @rizen | no...that's why i said i'm going to be working on bugs this week | 01:25 |
| @rizen | so i can finish that | 01:26 |
| @rizen | and work on other bugs | 01:26 |
| @rizen | i did what i said i was going to do last week, but it doesn't work as W3 advertises it | 01:26 |
| @rizen | because browsers don't seem to actually follow the rule | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | this is gonna drive you nuts at this rate | 01:27 |
| @rizen | what is "this" | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | the caching thing | 01:28 |
| @rizen | it's already driving me nutz | 01:28 |
| @rizen | unfortunately i have to put it on hold because i got some new assignments that have a deadline of tomorrow | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I was going to say that your 20 minutes were up 4 minutes ago | 01:29 |
| @rizen | yeah...i'm done | 01:29 |
| @rizen | i actually had 30 minutes...but i know how i always go over | 01:29 |
| @rizen | bye | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | see ya, man | 01:30 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] | 01:32 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui | 02:11 | |
| cap10morgan | is it possible to instantiate a session remotely via the api? i.e. use a local copy of the api to instantiate a session w/ a webgui server on a different system? | 03:17 |
| @preaction | not quite. you can use nfs and a remote database to fake it, but it's not truly remote | 03:19 |
| cap10morgan | preaction: ok, so there's nothing where you could say like WebGUI::Session->openRemote('ip.of.my.server','username','password'); ? | 03:20 |
| cap10morgan | cuz that would be hella tight | 03:20 |
| @preaction | there are protocols that could be used to develop one, XMLRPC, SOAP, to a lesser extent AJAX | 03:22 |
| cap10morgan | hmm... that would be cool. maybe i'll take a crack at it someday... :) | 03:32 |
| cap10morgan | on a related note (well, related in my brain), where is the api call to turn an asset into a package? | 03:33 |
| cap10morgan | i can't seem to find it in the api docs | 03:34 |
| cap10morgan | unless i'm being daft (wouldn't be the first or last time that's happened) | 03:34 |
| cap10morgan | is it WebGUI::AssetPackage::exportAssetData ? | 03:39 |
| cap10morgan | do you have to call that on an asset before you call exportPackage() ? | 03:39 |
| @preaction | looks like exportPackage goes through and calls exportAssetData for an entire branch of the asset tree, then gives you a WebGUI::Storage object with the package inside a file in it | 03:41 |
| cap10morgan | oh, ok | 03:41 |
| cap10morgan | so you can call that directly w/ just an assetId as the argument? | 03:42 |
| cap10morgan | oh wait, i'd call it as a method on an asset object | 03:43 |
| cap10morgan | right? | 03:43 |
| cap10morgan | yeah, that would make more sense. :) | 03:44 |
| @rizen | to make an asset a package you just do | 03:45 |
| @rizen | $asset->update({isPackage => 1}); | 03:45 |
| @rizen | as far as exporting it from the api, i'd have to look, but that sounds about right | 03:45 |
| * rizen is not really hear...you didn't just read that...carry on | 03:45 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui | 05:05 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 05:05 | |
| Radix-wrk | cheers pD | 05:11 |
| +perlDreamer | hola, Radix-wrk | 05:11 |
| +perlDreamer | how was the ride in? | 05:11 |
| Radix-wrk | very nice.. was nice and cool - sun had only just risen really | 05:12 |
| +perlDreamer | how far do you ride? | 05:12 |
| Radix-wrk | not too far really.. bout 10km - then I jump on the train and take the rest of the trip that way. | 05:12 |
| Radix-wrk | Nice bit of exercise before work - got showers at the office, so can have a quick shower once I get here. | 05:13 |
| +perlDreamer | that's nice | 05:14 |
| +perlDreamer | we have showers and lockers, but no place with covered, locked storage for bikes | 05:14 |
| Radix-wrk | We use the basement here at work to store our bikes.. quite a few of us ride in and plenty of room in the basement to store them luckily. | 05:15 |
| +perlDreamer | So where exactly do you work? Is it a big place? | 05:15 |
| Radix-wrk | Small company in Fremantle, Western Australia. | 05:16 |
| Radix-wrk | We write CAD/CAM software for the marine industry and sell it around the world. | 05:16 |
| Radix-wrk | Only a dozen of us in the office, and a few more who work remotely. | 05:17 |
| +perlDreamer | That's cool. I use CAD software for silicon ship design/simulation/layout. Slightly different scale from your software, I suspect :) | 05:17 |
| Radix-wrk | Yeah.. ours are all using nurb surface modelling | 05:18 |
| Radix-wrk | Fairing (smoothing) of a hull surface is rather important in shipbuilding | 05:18 |
| +perlDreamer | low drag? | 05:18 |
| Radix-wrk | yup | 05:19 |
| Radix-wrk | www.formsys.com if you're interested | 05:21 |
| +perlDreamer | nice, clean design | 05:22 |
| Radix-wrk | All powered by Webgui of course :) | 05:24 |
| +perlDreamer | So are you the resident webmaster/hostmaster/site designer and jack of all trades? | 05:25 |
| Radix-wrk | We have user logins for customers, students, and our own intranet all on there - works well. | 05:25 |
| Radix-wrk | Network Admin/Software Engineer is my official title, but yeah, jack of all trades is pretty much what I do. | 05:26 |
| Radix-wrk | the good thing about being Jack of All Trades is that it keeps the job interesting :) The bad thing is that I have so many focuses that I'm not an expert (nor have the time to learn how to be) at any of them. | 05:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I hear you | 05:34 |
| +perlDreamer | I do design, CAD, system-administration and lab testing. | 05:34 |
| Radix-wrk | Small company too huh? :) | 05:35 |
| +perlDreamer | kind of, we're a small, remote design center for a group that is based out of Texas | 05:37 |
| +perlDreamer | we started off completely self-sufficient, but then the company was bought out and we moved into the building for a larger division of the same company | 05:37 |
| +perlDreamer | so we work next to lots of people with skills and talents, but due to empiricism can't use them | 05:38 |
| Radix-wrk | hehe | 05:39 |
| -!- patspam [n=notgiven@203-214-26-249.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #webgui | 05:39 | |
| Radix-wrk | Hi patspam | 05:39 |
| patspam | heya | 05:41 |
| @rizen | pd (and others if interested) | 05:48 |
| @rizen | i'm writing a failover mechanism for a client | 05:49 |
| @rizen | that will automatically detect if their master mysql db is down | 05:49 |
| @rizen | and make the slave become the master if that's the case | 05:49 |
| @rizen | it will also change their webgui settings to point to the new host | 05:49 |
| @rizen | but i'm wondering if it might be better | 05:49 |
| @rizen | to change webgui | 05:49 |
| @rizen | so that if the master is down | 05:49 |
| @rizen | it reads from a second configuration option | 05:49 |
| @rizen | to try to connect to a secondary master | 05:50 |
| @rizen | in other words...does it make sense that this should be a built in webgui feature...or should this just remain an external script | 05:50 |
| Radix-wrk | built in would be nicer i think | 05:50 |
| @rizen | anybody setting this up will still have to write something to make their database fail over gracefully | 05:51 |
| @rizen | that can't be part of webgui | 05:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I agree, built-in. but why not use a slave instead of a secondary master? | 05:51 |
| @rizen | but the connection management could be built in | 05:51 |
| @rizen | because that could be dangerous..and not always intended | 05:52 |
| +perlDreamer | slaves are typically read-only? | 05:52 |
| @rizen | at first i thought that too | 05:52 |
| @rizen | but then i was thinking..what if the slave doesn't always become the master | 05:52 |
| @rizen | maybe in some situations, the slaves are updated to read from a new master | 05:52 |
| @rizen | rather than becoming the master | 05:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I see. So this is more general | 05:52 |
| @rizen | yeah...just in case | 05:52 |
| @rizen | i don't know that it will ever be used | 05:53 |
| @rizen | but since i don't know that much about all the possible configurations of database clusters | 05:53 |
| @rizen | i figured safe is better than sorry | 05:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd agree | 05:53 |
| @rizen | hmmm..ok..i'll see what i can do to hack this into webgui | 05:54 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: I know you have a deadline, but maybe we could make this kind of thing pluggable in the future. | 06:02 |
| +perlDreamer | That way people could customize it for their individual setups | 06:02 |
| +perlDreamer | things we could never guess about | 06:02 |
| @rizen | how could this be made pluggable? | 06:03 |
| @rizen | also...i would think it would degrade performance | 06:04 |
| @rizen | because we'd have to check which module should be loaded | 06:04 |
| @rizen | and load it | 06:04 |
| @rizen | just to connect to the db | 06:04 |
| @rizen | and it would be on every request, no matter how trivial the request | 06:04 |
| +perlDreamer | hmmm | 06:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Let's assume that all db connection code is inside of a stand-alone module. WebGUI::DB::Connection | 06:06 |
| +perlDreamer | it handles getting masters and slaves | 06:06 |
| +perlDreamer | The plugging is via overwriting the module | 06:06 |
| +perlDreamer | People can do this now, but they're mucking about in Session.pm, which is dangerous | 06:06 |
| +perlDreamer | we'd get a little safety from confining the db connection info in 1 other file | 06:07 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we should file this in the moderately out there category | 06:07 |
| @rizen | so then our only overhead is the memory of the extra module, and the extra layer of object call | 06:07 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 06:07 |
| xdanger | rizen: yo, have you run into a problem with the wre addsite script not working after upgrade? | 06:08 |
| @rizen | upgrade of wre or webgui? | 06:08 |
| xdanger | wre | 06:08 |
| xdanger | It's complaining about JSON | 06:08 |
| @rizen | not if i made the changes to the config files as instructed | 06:08 |
| @rizen | did you copy the new webgui.conf.override? | 06:09 |
| xdanger | I'm not sure =) | 06:10 |
| xdanger | the upgrade was a month ago, and this is the first time I'm adding a site | 06:10 |
| @rizen | the /data/wre/var/setupfiles/webgui.conf.override file needs to be copied over /data/wre/var/webgui.conf.override | 06:10 |
| @rizen | and there were lots of other config file changes too...that the setup script would have told you about | 06:10 |
| xdanger | yea, maybe I missed something there... | 06:12 |
| xdanger | damn.. | 06:12 |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] | 06:13 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui | 06:14 | |
| -!- patspam [n=notgiven@203-214-26-249.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] | 06:20 | |
| xdanger | nice... now it didn't create the directories... | 06:22 |
| -!- rizen_ [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 06:38 | |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 06:38 | |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 06:41 | |
| -!- rizen_ [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] | 06:41 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ | 06:41 | |
| +perlDreamer | 'night guys | 06:52 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."] | 06:53 | |
| -!- Netsplit over, joins: @rizen, Radix-wrk, Radix_, @snapcount, @preaction, SDuensin, Hinrik, cap10morgan, nuba, pjesi (+1 more) | 07:11 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] | 10:04 | |
| -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui | 15:21 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-122.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has left #webgui [] | 16:13 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has joined #webgui | 17:58 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 17:58 | |
| +perlDreamer | morning, all | 17:58 |
| +perlDreamer | or whatever the appropriate salutation is for your time zone | 17:59 |
| +perlDreamer | PB people, would you consider putting some of the info on this page on the wG bug tracking system? | 18:05 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/03/07/2012225 | 18:05 |
| -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 18:05 | |
| xdanger | perlDreamer: Is there a hook I could tie asset in at the creation? that has assetId available... | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not sure I follow you, xdanger. | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | do you mean a workflow hook? | 19:20 |
| xdanger | I would have to write that assetId to a nother table with some extra data when someone creates a new asset | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | for any asset, or a new asset that you're currently designing? | 19:20 |
| xdanger | my extented collaboration system =) | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | you can always write your own creation method that calls SUPER then does other things | 19:21 |
| xdanger | But what is executed after the creation? | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | give me a sec to mock something up | 19:22 |
| xdanger | mmk | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.pastebin.ca/393545 | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | Basically, you don' t have to always use Asset->new. You can write your own to "special" stuff | 19:24 |
| xdanger | O, you got me wrong... | 19:25 |
| xdanger | I meant when user creates a asset =) | 19:25 |
| xdanger | not creation in OO | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | when the user creates an asset, it calls new | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, wait | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | then you would want to override www_editSave instead | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | and check that the incoming assetId = new | 19:26 |
| xdanger | does that create the assetId for it? | 19:26 |
| xdanger | 'cos I need that information | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | you want to subclass addChild | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | you'll find that method defined in AssetLineage.pm | 19:28 |
| xdanger | I'll have a look | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | addRevision is another good place to try to tie into | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | but here's the problems with those | 19:30 |
| xdanger | I only need it once, when the whole collaboration is created... | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | and you have to write to a foreign table? | 19:31 |
| xdanger | yeo | 19:31 |
| xdanger | yep | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 19:31 |
| xdanger | we'll their in webgui | 19:31 |
| xdanger | in webgui db I mean.. | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | if you subclass addRevision, it will be called each time they do a revision on the asset. | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | and for the addClass thing to work, you'd have to subclass it in the parent | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | which won't work | 19:32 |
| xdanger | I have to admit that this data isn't versioned =( | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | well, in that case there may not be a way to tie into the wG API without lots of changes | 19:33 |
| +perlDreamer | your "extra" data isn't versioned, but the Asset stuff is, right? | 19:33 |
| xdanger | Maybe I just have to do a seeIfCategoryHasBeenInitialized function and call that in www_view or something =) | 19:34 |
| xdanger | yes | 19:34 |
| xdanger | it's 97% in line with the webguis original CS | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | and it would be okay if the extra data is rewritten each time a new Asset version is introduced | 19:35 |
| xdanger | well, no... | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | even if it was the same data? | 19:35 |
| xdanger | it's writen via DBIx::Tree::NestedSet | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | how about checking for existence of the desired record before doing the write? | 19:36 |
| xdanger | so, Id have to check if it existed... | 19:37 |
| xdanger | yea | 19:37 |
| xdanger | so addRevision could be answer to my problem =) | 19:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm pretty sure it's the only way to easily, safely tie into the API. | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | otherwise, you'll have to insert stuff into addChild in AssetLineage.pm and continue to patch it down the line. | 19:38 |
| xdanger | Have done patching... still do =/ | 19:41 |
| -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has joined #webgui | 21:34 | |
| diakopter | list of files in wG SVN with "descendants" misspelled as "descendents" and that has caused lots of bugs with the new Calendar: | 21:36 |
| diakopter | lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm | 21:37 |
| diakopter | lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Navigation.pm | 21:37 |
| diakopter | lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Calendar.pm | 21:37 |
| diakopter | docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.3.9-7.3.10.pl | 21:37 |
| diakopter | docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.3.8-7.3.9.pl | 21:37 |
| diakopter | docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.2.3-7.3.0.pl | 21:38 |
| diakopter | that's it, I think. | 21:38 |
| +perlDreamer | If no one else has done this, then I'll patch it | 21:39 |
| diakopter | you might also want to rerun relevant portions of those upgrades for the next upgrade, if it's crucial. | 21:40 |
| @rizen | i'm still stuck in HA hell | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | diakopter, this is funny, because I tested the upgrade for 7.3.8-7.3.9 in the addThreadRating column and it did the right thing anyway | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | and the calendar upgrade works in 7.2.3 | 21:42 |
| diakopter | hrm | 21:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll be out in the lab for a while, but I'll check the logs when I'm back | 21:45 |
| diakopter | perlDreamer: my guess is that getLineage(['someMisspelledTerm']) returns every asset in the asset tree that matches the other criteria. Could explain why certain upgrades take so long. | 21:51 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | it gets them all it looks like | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | kind of a nice fallback, really | 21:58 |
| diakopter | alright then, I retract my claim that it caused lots of bugs... it might have contributed to some bugs, I'll say. | 21:58 |
| -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has quit [] | 23:04 | |
| --- Day changed Wed Mar 14 2007 | ||
| +perlDreamer | http://blogs.sun.com/marigan/entry/how_the_vi_editor_would | 00:20 |
| @rizen | i've decided that making mysql highly available is a giant pain in the ass | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I agree | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | let's switch to PostgresQL instead | 00:27 |
| @rizen | ooh..i just found a killer article | 00:27 |
| @rizen | don't know why i didn't see it last night | 00:27 |
| @rizen | http://kjalleda.googlepages.com/mysqlfailover | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | are you still trying to put the failover control in wG? | 00:28 |
| @rizen | no..haven't gotten that far | 00:30 |
| @rizen | that will be easy | 00:31 |
| @rizen | what i'm trying to do is make a mysql slave automatically become a master in the event that the real master fails | 00:31 |
| @rizen | i've set up replication many times in the past..the big problem isn't setting up replication | 00:32 |
| @rizen | it's getting mysql slaves to automatically become a master at 4am so i don't have to get my ass out of bed | 00:32 |
| @rizen | and so that the client's site isn't down while i change the configs | 00:32 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] | 00:44 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui | 01:17 | |
| -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has joined #webgui | 02:05 | |
| -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has quit [] | 02:37 | |
| -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has joined #webgui | 02:46 | |
| diakopter | rizen: did you see http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2006/04/20/advanced-mysql-replication.html | 02:51 |
| diakopter | (it only really works well/easily with 2 nodes) | 02:51 |
| -!- rizen_ [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 03:47 | |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] | 03:47 | |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has joined #webgui | 03:49 | |
| -!- rizen_ is now known as rizen | 03:49 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ | 03:49 | |
| @rizen | diakopter...thanks i'll take a read | 03:50 |
| @rizen | i've got a solution that works for the time being, but i'm not all that happy with it | 03:50 |
| @rizen | so perhaps this will be better | 03:50 |
| xdanger | I'm getting "POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1013] - ADMIN: Couldn't fetch Spectre configuration data for webgui.server.fi" in the webgui logs | 04:52 |
| xdanger | but it should be fine... | 04:52 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui | 05:21 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 05:21 | |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: got time for some calendar chat? | 05:23 |
| @preaction | surely | 05:23 |
| +perlDreamer | The event day iteration code needs to be completely rewritten and I'd love your thoughts about it | 05:23 |
| @preaction | day iteration? like the recurrence thing? | 05:24 |
| +perlDreamer | right now, the week view, for example, uses day of week and iterates over that. | 05:24 |
| @preaction | oh | 05:24 |
| +perlDreamer | startDate->dow to endDate->dow | 05:24 |
| +perlDreamer | but if the event starts on Saturday and ends on Sunday, the loop won't run | 05:24 |
| +perlDreamer | so you don't get any days | 05:24 |
| +perlDreamer | so then I thought day of month | 05:24 |
| +perlDreamer | but if you bridge a month you'd get the same problem | 05:25 |
| +perlDreamer | (bridge = day 31 to day 1) | 05:25 |
| @preaction | how about iterate over Rata Die? | 05:25 |
| @preaction | compare to the $dtStart rata die to figure out where it should go in the template loop | 05:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Rata die? | 05:25 |
| @preaction | look in Perldoc DateTime, it's basically the number of days since some day in the past | 05:26 |
| @preaction | like 1950 or something | 05:26 |
| @preaction | basically it would never "roll over" | 05:26 |
| +perlDreamer | that would work | 05:26 |
| -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has left #webgui [] | 05:27 | |
| @preaction | possible pitfall: what if the endDate->dow is past the end of the week? you might have to check and break out the loop. but you know that | 05:29 |
| +perlDreamer | it needs additional logic to check for inclusion in the current week/month/day | 05:29 |
| @rizen | When I was a kid my mother said "Eat your vegetables, think of the starving Chinese." Well I ate my vegetables, and now the Chinese are a superpower! ~ Stephen Colbert | 05:32 |
| +perlDreamer | that saying has been much misunderstood | 05:32 |
| +perlDreamer | You're supposed to eat your veggies so you can handle the up an coming superpower. | 05:33 |
| @rizen | pd: i finally finished the cluster | 05:35 |
| @rizen | so happy | 05:35 |
| @rizen | only took me WAY TOO F***ING LONG | 05:35 |
| +perlDreamer | cool! | 05:38 |
| +perlDreamer | and you lived through it | 05:38 |
| @rizen | it's not perfect, but it turns out i'll need to let mysql 5.1 come out and get stable in order to make it perfect | 05:39 |
| @rizen | but it will work | 05:39 |
| @rizen | oh..that reminds me...i better commit my failover stuff | 05:40 |
| @preaction | IE's "Warning Page Has Expired" is a warning message about a POST request, correct? | 05:40 |
| @rizen | yes | 05:40 |
| @preaction | when clicking the Back button, to avoid resubmitting the post | 05:40 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: would the other DateTime modules be of any use in this? | 05:42 |
| +perlDreamer | DateTime::Set | 05:42 |
| +perlDreamer | DateTime::Event | 05:42 |
| +perlDreamer | DateTime::Event::Recurrence | 05:42 |
| @preaction | that last one would probably be of use during that horrible algorithm i wrote to make recurring events | 05:43 |
| @preaction | i think there's a specific one for iCal even | 05:43 |
| @preaction | would probably also work in that iCal parser in the workflow activity to update feeds | 05:43 |
| -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has joined #webgui | 05:44 | |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has quit [] | 06:08 | |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: basically we're trying to reimplement DateTime::Set with the display code | 06:08 |
| +perlDreamer | we want to make two sets and calculate their intersection | 06:08 |
| +perlDreamer | set 1 is the viewable window | 06:08 |
| +perlDreamer | set 2 is the event window | 06:08 |
| +perlDreamer | then we need to recurse over the recurrence of days of the event | 06:09 |
| @preaction | so basically thus: you get the events from getEventsIn(). then loop over the days of the event and add them if they intersect the DateTime::Set of the viewable window | 06:15 |
| +perlDreamer | DateTime::Set will do that for us, I think | 06:15 |
| @preaction | do what part for us? | 06:16 |
| @preaction | does the event have a new method? getDateTimeSet($period) | 06:16 |
| +perlDreamer | If we make 1 set that is events, and a second set that is viewable window, then DateTime::Set will calculate the intersection for us | 06:17 |
| @preaction | so we loop over the intersection and add the appropriate vars to the template based on it | 06:17 |
| @rizen | ooh...nice find pd | 06:18 |
| @preaction | would probably be a lot cleaner | 06:18 |
| @rizen | DateTime::Set is very cool | 06:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I worry that coolness comes with a price | 06:18 |
| @preaction | if we're adding that to the required modules for webgui, can we also add the appropriate DateTime modules for iCal? | 06:18 |
| @rizen | i don't see why not | 06:19 |
| @rizen | if it makes webgui better | 06:19 |
| @rizen | then it should be done | 06:19 |
| @rizen | i had to require a new pm to deal with the weather problem | 06:20 |
| @rizen | if this will make webgui code cleaner, performance better, or fix bugs...then i think it should be done | 06:20 |
| @preaction | it'll remove the point of failure from the event and put it in DateTime. also rewriting the CalendarUpdateFeeds to use it would probably get rid of a couple bugs | 06:20 |
| @preaction | but honestly we should be using a real iCalendar parser, like Text::vCard (i think was the best I saw) | 06:21 |
| @preaction | but i do like my little homebrew one | 06:21 |
| @rizen | why did you homebrew one in the first place? | 06:21 |
| +perlDreamer | what if it fixes bugs and makes the code cleaner but slows us down? | 06:22 |
| @rizen | by how much pd? | 06:22 |
| @preaction | it was 10:00pm the night before the deadline. i couldn't do anything else. | 06:22 |
| @rizen | this is complex shit | 06:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know, I'm just worrying at this point | 06:22 |
| @rizen | if we're talking large orders of magnitude then that's a problem | 06:24 |
| @rizen | but if we wrote our own shit to do these complex calculations | 06:24 |
| @rizen | we're likely going to keep having bugs forever | 06:24 |
| @rizen | so if it's not a huge slowdown..then i think it's worth it | 06:24 |
| @rizen | preaction...are we having problems with iCal? | 06:24 |
| @rizen | if not, then leave it how it is for now | 06:24 |
| @rizen | don't replace it just to replace it | 06:25 |
| @rizen | have a reason for everything you do | 06:25 |
| @rizen | prioritize | 06:25 |
| @rizen | bugs come first | 06:25 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a bug for that one on the boards | 06:25 |
| +perlDreamer | from grnoc | 06:25 |
| @preaction | i believe there's one problem with iCal, and i responded but I don't know if they got back to us with the raw iCal info that was bad | 06:25 |
| @preaction | the main thing i'd like to replace is the recurrence generator in the Event asset, there are bugs in it. I'd like to use the DateTime::Recurrence::iCal in its place (which, of course, I currently do not have time to implement) | 06:26 |
| @preaction | there are more than one bug open for the recurrence generator thingy | 06:26 |
| @preaction | and i think it'd be best to store the recurrence pattern in the database as the iCalendar specification formats it (so that it's compliant with the standard) | 06:27 |
| @preaction | instead of the hackery i dreamed up (a string parsed with a regular expression... wtf... it was better than the alternatives i guess) | 06:28 |
| @rizen | pd: tomorrow morning i'll be back on the cache bug, and tomorrow afternoon i have to do a launch for a client | 06:29 |
| @rizen | but then thursday and friday i should have all day to bug fix again | 06:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll keep reading about DateTime modules | 06:29 |
| +perlDreamer | and maybe leave some comments about ideas for implementation | 06:29 |
| @rizen | do you want to take the calendar stuff, and i'll take everything else | 06:29 |
| @rizen | or how do you want to work it? | 06:30 |
| @rizen | or just one bug at a time | 06:30 |
| @rizen | =) | 06:30 |
| @rizen | actually, that's probably best | 06:30 |
| +perlDreamer | With this new chip, I don't have the time to do big work | 06:30 |
| @rizen | ok..then i'll just take all bugs | 06:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll continue to run interference on the little stuff if you want | 06:31 |
| @rizen | i'm all for you doing whatever you can | 06:31 |
| @rizen | hopefully i can cut through the bug list somewhat with the last two days of the week | 06:32 |
| +perlDreamer | most of the stuff left is medium to really hard stuff | 06:34 |
| @rizen | you've already done an amazing job clearing out the small and medium stuff then | 06:34 |
| @rizen | i wish i could devote my full work week to this...then we wouldn't have a bug list anymore | 06:35 |
| @rizen | growth is hell | 06:35 |
| +perlDreamer | It's the business paradox | 06:36 |
| @rizen | there was a time, that i would fix a new bug as it came in, and then put out a release just for that one bug fix in that same day | 06:36 |
| +perlDreamer | wG 5 time? | 06:37 |
| @rizen | pre | 06:37 |
| @rizen | 0.x - about 4.x | 06:37 |
| +perlDreamer | now you have 6 employees and DOS and Volvo for customers | 06:37 |
| @rizen | sometime in the 4.x timeframe and into 5.x i started getting actual clients that really needed services | 06:37 |
| @rizen | pd, you were a full time dev? | 06:54 |
| +perlDreamer | for 7 weeks I was | 06:54 |
| @rizen | 7 whole weeks eh? | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | yup. IRC, boards, bug fixes | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | and RFEs | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | 6 RFEs | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, and some testing | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | and doc patches | 06:55 |
| @rizen | so same thing you do here? | 06:56 |
| @rizen | or are you talking about this | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm talking about this | 06:56 |
| @rizen | just cuz you were bored? | 06:56 |
| @rizen | =) | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | No chips to work on | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | No secondary support projects | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Nada | 06:56 |
| @rizen | here's to hoping that your current chip finishes quickly and then you have time to do full time again | 06:56 |
| @rizen | ==) | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | amen | 06:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Or the stock market could drive up our stock to $100/share | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | that would help, too | 06:58 |
| @rizen | ****ing stock market | 06:58 |
| @rizen | preaction, when we hired you, we had you do a simple skills test, right? | 07:00 |
| @rizen | write a program against a web service? | 07:00 |
| @preaction | yes | 07:01 |
| @preaction | i'd suggest another one as well: write a cogent API | 07:01 |
| @preaction | for something | 07:01 |
| @preaction | just stubs and docs | 07:01 |
| @rizen | the test that i came up with for this one is much better than the one we gave you | 07:01 |
| @preaction | sweet | 07:01 |
| @rizen | and the results are coming back | 07:02 |
| @preaction | may i suggest staff review? | 07:02 |
| @rizen | it's amazing to me every time we do these things how varied the results are | 07:02 |
| @preaction | perlbot timtoady | 07:02 |
| @preaction | towdi | 07:02 |
| @preaction | anyway | 07:02 |
| @preaction | perlbot timtowdi | 07:02 |
| @preaction | i can't speel | 07:02 |
| +perlDreamer | you had it right the first time | 07:03 |
| @preaction | perlbot timtowtdi | 07:03 |
| perlbot | TIMTOWTDI: There is more than one way to do it | 07:03 |
| @preaction | perlbot timtoady is TIMTOWTDI: There is more than one way to do it | 07:03 |
| perlbot | added timtoady to the database | 07:03 |
| @rizen | that's true | 07:03 |
| @rizen | hmmm..i'm guessing it's not legal to share the results on an open pipe like this | 07:03 |
| @rizen | i'll im you a couple URLs | 07:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to crash out. | 07:04 |
| @preaction | i don't see why not, as long as you don't give any names or identifying information | 07:04 |
| +perlDreamer | You Wisonsin guys party too late | 07:04 |
| @preaction | true dat | 07:04 |
| @rizen | well the urls contain these guy's web sites and personal ip addresses | 07:04 |
| @rizen | cuz i asked them to set it up on their own box | 07:05 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit [""more fun tomorrow""] | 07:05 | |
| @rizen | the first one that i sent you | 07:10 |
| @rizen | the guy used templates...but it was his own template language | 07:10 |
| @preaction | the first one rolled his own ajax, very nice. did he say how long it took him? | 07:11 |
| @rizen | it couldn't have taken him more than a day | 07:11 |
| @rizen | cuz i just emailed the assignment yesterday around noon | 07:11 |
| @preaction | indeed | 07:12 |
| @rizen | his code is nice and clean | 07:12 |
| @rizen | though he didn't create any packages | 07:12 |
| @rizen | just like the test i gave you | 07:12 |
| @rizen | i offered the data in json, xml, and perl | 07:12 |
| @rizen | and he chose xml | 07:12 |
| @rizen | so that's good | 07:12 |
| @rizen | cuz it's taint safe, unlike perl | 07:12 |
| @rizen | he also left comments in his code | 07:13 |
| @preaction | i like the "msbs" comment | 07:13 |
| @rizen | is that the second one? | 07:13 |
| @preaction | well, marker to denote microsoft bull---- | 07:13 |
| @preaction | the first one | 07:13 |
| @rizen | hah | 07:14 |
| @rizen | i didn't even see that | 07:14 |
| @preaction | in function createRequest() | 07:14 |
| @rizen | the first guy even used session management | 07:14 |
| @preaction | browser = "real"; or "msbs" | 07:14 |
| @rizen | via CGI::Auth | 07:14 |
| @rizen | the second guy has some pluses, like created seperate packages, but somewhat hap hazzardly | 07:15 |
| @rizen | used template toolkit | 07:15 |
| @rizen | but his interface is for shit | 07:16 |
| @rizen | and worse than that he chose to interact with the web service via perl | 07:16 |
| @rizen | which is not taint safe | 07:16 |
| @preaction | i'd almost have liked to see someone implement entirely with JSON / Ajax. it almost looks like the first guy could've done it | 07:17 |
| @rizen | if you're interested here's the service: http://devtest.plainblack.com/test393984.pl | 07:17 |
| @rizen | you could have done it, except that there was a requirement on this one | 07:18 |
| @rizen | that you cache each transaction result | 07:18 |
| @rizen | in the database | 07:18 |
| @rizen | because of high traffic (or that was the fake customer's request in this case) | 07:18 |
| @preaction | ahh | 07:18 |
| @rizen | the reason we did that was we wanted to see how people interacted with dbi | 07:18 |
| @rizen | the first guy doesn't know about place holder params | 07:19 |
| @rizen | the second guy does | 07:19 |
| -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has quit [] | 07:20 | |
| @preaction | from just these frontends, i'd go with number 1. what you're saying about the Perl though... | 07:23 |
| @preaction | what's the primary function of the new hire? client work, correct? | 07:23 |
| @preaction | custom webgui apps? | 07:23 |
| @rizen | dev | 07:23 |
| @preaction | so just standard wG dev | 07:23 |
| @rizen | in my mind, both of them have faults in their code | 07:24 |
| @rizen | client and core webgui dev | 07:24 |
| @rizen | for the time being, lots of client work to help you out | 07:24 |
| @preaction | er.. standard plainblack dev | 07:24 |
| @rizen | but the idea is that both of you would get to work on the core | 07:24 |
| @rizen | so both of you should have some time not devoted to client work so that you can do core stuff | 07:25 |
| @rizen | core stuff is usually more fun | 07:25 |
| @preaction | it might be prudent to hire someone strong in the ajax/javascript-fu, to assist in our future development of that area | 07:25 |
| @rizen | well the second guy doesn't have any of that | 07:25 |
| @preaction | if, of course, their Perl is up to par | 07:25 |
| @rizen | the first guy has some | 07:25 |
| @rizen | there's another guy | 07:25 |
| @rizen | who hasn't submitted yet | 07:26 |
| @preaction | i mean, even if'n the first guy was just showing off (the git) | 07:26 |
| @rizen | who says his ajax-fu is amazing | 07:26 |
| @rizen | so we'll see | 07:26 |
| @rizen | i've narrowed down the list of potential candidates to 5 | 07:26 |
| @rizen | so i still need to hear back from 3 of them on the code test | 07:26 |
| @rizen | and then do interviews with each | 07:26 |
| @preaction | grill them about the code? tee hee | 07:27 |
| @rizen | oh yeah | 07:27 |
| @rizen | that's why the skill test is done before the interview | 07:27 |
| @preaction | see how they handle criticism from a hostile audience | 07:27 |
| @rizen | indeed | 07:27 |
| @rizen | i don't even remember how your code test was | 07:27 |
| @rizen | you probably sucked ass | 07:27 |
| @rizen | =) | 07:27 |
| @preaction | pfft, you both told me it was the best Perl you'd ever seen, even if the interface was for crap | 07:28 |
| @preaction | at least, i know Frank said that | 07:28 |
| @preaction | the requirements were easy, admittedly, and i did it in about 20 lines | 07:28 |
| @rizen | the best perl code i've ever seen has never been written | 07:28 |
| @rizen | the requirements on this one were much tougher | 07:28 |
| @rizen | but still something that a decent dev could turn out in an afternoon | 07:29 |
| @preaction | might've taken me longer back then. some days i'm amazed looking back at code i wrote six months ago | 07:30 |
| @preaction | i actually found, courtesy of the wayback machine, the first major Perl CGI application I ever built | 07:31 |
| @rizen | i can't believe you don't write perfect stuff every time like i do | 07:31 |
| @preaction | *cough* so we're not mentioning the bug list? | 07:32 |
| @preaction | we have a place we go to report bugs in your code | 07:32 |
| @rizen | the bugs on the list aren't my code | 07:32 |
| @rizen | for example...most of the bugs are calendar related | 07:32 |
| @preaction | svn blame ;) | 07:32 |
| @rizen | i didn't write a single thing | 07:32 |
| @rizen | in there | 07:32 |
| @preaction | oh, oh no you ditn' | 07:32 |
| @rizen | hehe | 07:32 |
| @rizen | and any code that i did write that a bug was reported on | 07:32 |
| @rizen | clearly the user is erroneous | 07:33 |
| @preaction | it's a feature not a bug! | 07:33 |
| @rizen | they just aren't using it as intended | 07:33 |
| Radix-wrk | hehe | 07:33 |
| @preaction | the universe is just building better idiots | 07:33 |
| @rizen | it's impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenius | 07:34 |
| Radix-wrk | http://www.syswear.com/view/tshirts?d=24 | 07:38 |
| -!- Hinrik_ [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 08:46 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 08:59 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] | 09:09 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 09:17 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 09:23 | |
| -!- Hinrik__ [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 09:23 | |
| -!- Hinrik_ [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 09:24 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 09:46 | |
| -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui | 10:09 | |
| -!- Hinrik__ [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Connection timed out] | 10:10 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] | 10:30 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 14:38 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 14:38 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [] | 16:16 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 16:32 | |
| -!- preaction_ [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 16:34 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI | 16:39 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] | 16:42 | |
| -!- preaction_ is now known as preaction | 16:45 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 16:45 | |
| -!- rjacobsen [n=rjacobse@74-129-192-43.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #webgui | 16:49 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] | 16:49 | |
| rjacobsen | quick question: is there a way to setup webgui to where only admin sees the "Display" tab when editing a page/article so no one under admin can even see that tab? | 16:50 |
| @preaction | rjacobsen: yes. alter the ui level for the things inside the display tab | 16:51 |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI | 16:51 | |
| @preaction | uilevel override in the config file | 16:51 |
| rjacobsen | thank you | 16:52 |
| rjacobsen | is there a guide somewhere to the ui levels? my guy that has shell access doesnt seem to understand them | 16:53 |
| SDuensin | Morning all. | 16:55 |
| rjacobsen | like the only tab we want people under admin to be able to see is the "Properties" tab - if there is a guide somewhere on how to do this it would be greatly appreciated | 16:55 |
| @preaction | rjacobsen: might be better to ask the forums. maybe search the wiki. (and the forums probably). i'm not sure how to do uiLevel overrides, and i'm fairly certain that in order to do all the overrides you want it's going to be a mess | 17:04 |
| @preaction | rjacobsen: you might be better off just assigning them a very small uiLevel and see how that works out | 17:04 |
| @preaction | 0 or 1, for example | 17:04 |
| @preaction | if you edit the uiLevel of the Visitor user account, that will edit it for new users being created | 17:04 |
| * preaction taking the day off to regroup and refocus. | 17:05 | |
| rjacobsen | ok | 17:05 |
| rjacobsen | soo -- like in ( #assetUiLevel = WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::WSClient => 7, | 17:06 |
| rjacobsen | #WebGUI::Asset::RichEdit => 4 ) i would set the numbers to either 1 or 0? | 17:06 |
| -!- rjacobsen [n=rjacobse@74-129-192-43.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit ["User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby"] | 17:09 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has joined #webgui | 17:42 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 17:42 | |
| -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 18:14 | |
| @rizen | pd, just so you know the release is being built | 18:14 |
| @rizen | don't check anything in | 18:14 |
| +perlDreamer | you mean, anything else... | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | but thanks for the heads up | 18:18 |
| @rizen | well just be sure to move your comments from 7.3.12 to 7.3.13 | 18:18 |
| @rizen | i just found out myself | 18:18 |
| +perlDreamer | you got it | 18:19 |
| -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui | 18:19 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ | 18:19 | |
| +perlDreamer | one of these days I'll learn not to nest screen sessions | 18:19 |
| SDuensin | You guys are release madmen. :-) | 18:19 |
| @rizen | we are? | 18:19 |
| SDuensin | I've updated three times and haven't even got a site built! | 18:20 |
| SDuensin | (Then again, I'm doing like six sites in parallel, so nobody is going anywhere real fast.) | 18:21 |
| xdanger | yey, I just updated last night... =) | 18:21 |
| +crythias | pd: I'm just learning about transparency in Windows. it rocks. | 18:21 |
| @rizen | but wouldn't you rather have a release early and often mentality when it comes to bug fixes | 18:21 |
| @rizen | rather than some other software companies that do it once a quarter | 18:21 |
| @rizen | or twice a year | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | It's the OS manifesto | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | release early, release often | 18:21 |
| +crythias | crash often | 18:22 |
| +crythias | oops. | 18:22 |
| SDuensin | Hey, no complaints here. :-) | 18:22 |
| @rizen | cry, that's why we're not doing 7.4 yet...to make sure we don't crash often | 18:22 |
| @rizen | =) | 18:22 |
| * perlDreamer whacks crythias with snapcount's trout | 18:22 | |
| +perlDreamer | and it's not a good smelling, fresh trout, either | 18:22 |
| +crythias | :) | 18:22 |
| +perlDreamer | dude's been using that thing for months | 18:23 |
| @rizen | i had no idea snapcount even had a trout | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Amentalhouse.net+trout+webgui&btnG=Search | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | He feeds it crickets | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | The ones that chirp when no one talks in channel for a long time | 18:33 |
| SDuensin | Ok, I had an asset with a url of "photogallery/photogallery.css". I deleted it, committed the version tag. Now I want to make another asset with that URL and WebGUI is insisting on naming it "photogallery2.css". How can I fix that? | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | When you delete an asset, it goes into the trash. | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Is it still there? | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | if it is, then the URL is reserved | 18:44 |
| SDuensin | Thank you. :-) | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | np | 18:44 |
| * SDuensin sits in the corner with his dunce cap. | 18:44 | |
| +perlDreamer | oh no, this is one of the hardest things about version control | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | There's even a special asset manager feature to help with a more complicated version of this problem | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | we may have to use it, but we'll see | 18:45 |
| SDuensin | Now if I could just get the actual CSS to work, I'd be set. :-) | 18:45 |
| -!- rjacobsen [n=rjacobse@74-129-192-43.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #webgui | 19:13 | |
| rjacobsen | can you not use webgui macros or the sql query macro in javascript? | 19:14 |
| * SDuensin has no idea. | 19:16 | |
| pjesi | rjacobsen: you can process macros on snippets yes | 19:19 |
| rjacobsen | ok i made an asset of a macro and then tried to call that asset into javascript via ^AssetProxy(iframeid); and it is not pulling into javascript the info | 19:20 |
| SDuensin | WHOO! Photo gallery is working. :-) | 19:21 |
| rjacobsen | the snippet/asset id has ^SQLExt("config","^0;","select iframe_id from config where __archived=0 and sitename=? group by iframe_id", ^Env('SERVER_NAME');); | 19:23 |
| rjacobsen | and then i call that by putting ^AssetProxy(iframeid); | 19:23 |
| rjacobsen | it works anywhere else in the site except when i call it in javascript | 19:24 |
| rjacobsen | then i tried to make a variable in javascript: var iframeID = ^SQLExt("config","^0;","select iframe_id from config where __archived=0 and sitename=? group by iframe_id",^Env('SERVER_NAME'););; to see if that would work..... and no good | 19:25 |
| rjacobsen | it seems i cant use macros in javascript | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | rjacobsen: try posting that one on the boards and see if anyone else pipes up | 19:43 |
| rjacobsen | ty | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | just out of curiosity, what do you see when the page renders in the browser? | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you see a macro call or something else? | 19:47 |
| rjacobsen | i have no clue how or why...... but i cut the macro out of the javascript and pasted it right back in and vwalla - it worked..... no idea what went on there | 20:10 |
| @rizen | holy f*** shit balls | 20:38 |
| @rizen | i just figured out the caching thing | 20:38 |
| pjesi | elaborate | 20:41 |
| @rizen | ok..since 7.0 there has been a problem with caching | 20:42 |
| @rizen | in that if you browse around a webgui site for a while as visitor | 20:42 |
| @rizen | and then log in | 20:42 |
| @rizen | if you browse back to some of the same pages | 20:42 |
| @rizen | it looks like you get logged out | 20:42 |
| @rizen | because those pages are being cached by your browser | 20:42 |
| SDuensin | So you can fix that? | 20:43 |
| @rizen | i've finally figured out how to tell the browser that it's ok to cache those pages, but that it needs to check back with the server | 20:43 |
| @rizen | to make sure that they haven't logged in | 20:43 |
| @rizen | i'm 99.99999% sure i can fix it now | 20:44 |
| @rizen | it just worked in my code test | 20:44 |
| SDuensin | Awesome! | 20:44 |
| rjacobsen | YAY!! i thought i was the only one havin that problem!!! everytime i would make a change it would log me out | 20:44 |
| @rizen | now it's just a matter of making it work in webgui | 20:44 |
| -!- rjacobsen [n=rjacobse@74-129-192-43.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit ["User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby"] | 21:00 | |
| -!- pjesi changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.3.12 | WRE 0.7.2 ][ New Contest Open -- Acme Code Contribution -- Win $$$ and Karma (www.plainblack.com/wcc) ][ Plainblack Needs You! Perl dev wanted: http://xrl.us/u7c5) | 22:22 | |
| -!- dwalisser [n=dwalisse@74-129-192-43.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #webgui | 22:23 | |
| SDuensin | WHOO! 7.3.12! | 22:23 |
| dwalisser | I was wondering if I could get some help with this problem, it is the same as what was posted in the upgrade help forum: https://www.plainblack.com/install/upgrade_help/upgr-7.3.8---7.3.9---no-cannot-upload-files?func=nextThread | 22:24 |
| dwalisser | there are no replies to that problem yet | 22:24 |
| SDuensin | Are you still on 7.3.9? | 22:25 |
| dwalisser | 7.3.10 | 22:25 |
| dwalisser | err 7.3.11 | 22:25 |
| SDuensin | I had upload issues with 9. Went away when I went to 10. (I think it was with 9.) | 22:26 |
| dwalisser | I have a wierd wre issue too... the group id the httpd is running under isn't nobody (as it should be?) and is something funky | 22:34 |
| dwalisser | mind if I spam the channle with PS output? | 22:34 |
| SDuensin | Not my channel to give permission. | 22:35 |
| xdanger | dwalisser: use pastebin | 22:36 |
| dwalisser | what's the url for the pastebin? | 22:36 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: pastebin? | 22:38 |
| perlbot | (see paste) | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: paste? | 22:38 |
| perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot paste is also http://pastebin.ca | 22:38 |
| perlbot | I already have an entry for paste | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | where's gooeybot when you need him???!!!! | 22:38 |
| xdanger | use the google, luke... | 22:39 |
| dwalisser | http://pastebin.ca/395135 | 22:43 |
| dwalisser | as a result of this I think a lot of weird stuff is happening | 22:44 |
| dwalisser | one example, everything under uploads/ gets the weird group put on it | 22:44 |
| dwalisser | nice, this would appear to be the highest possible 32-bit number | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | that's probably also your upload problem | 22:48 |
| +perlDreamer | your "nobody" user cannot write to the uploads area | 22:48 |
| dwalisser | yeah, I can do a chown to fix the problem temporarily, but it comes back sooner or later | 22:49 |
| dwalisser | ah, its in the apache httpd.conf | 22:51 |
| dwalisser | it says: | 22:52 |
| dwalisser | Group #-1 | 22:52 |
| dwalisser | looks intentional to me, question is why was it setup that way | 22:52 |
| +perlDreamer | well, it does kind of highlight the need to change it to something else | 22:55 |
| -!- wgGuest98 [i=wgGuest9@nat/ibm/x-af34b3c78a00c3d9] has joined #webgui | 22:55 | |
| -!- wgGuest98 [i=wgGuest9@nat/ibm/x-af34b3c78a00c3d9] has quit [Client Quit] | 22:57 | |
| dwalisser | I think the intention was to leave the group assignment alone... the value -1 has special meaning to setgid etc functions | 23:00 |
| dwalisser | see man setresgid | 23:01 |
| dwalisser | well I am going to change it anyhow since it isn't working as intended | 23:01 |
| dwalisser | theoretically it would be assigned to "root" since that is the user who starts up apache, maybe that is illegal so it uses the funky value | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | -1 in an unsigned int is max integer | 23:02 |
| dwalisser | yeah | 23:02 |
| dwalisser | I always run rc.webgui start as root... is this wrong? | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | no, that should be okay | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | great hack, rizen! | 23:07 |
| +crythias | just wanted to point out that transparency rocks. | 23:14 |
| +crythias | I have been using it to monitor email and will be using it to monitor logs behind work ... | 23:14 |
| +crythias | I've also used it to "copy" information from one app to another. | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | in the context that you use it, it sounds like context is more than the ability to see through one window into another | 23:19 |
| +crythias | I think I understand... | 23:22 |
| +crythias | It's not just that "wow, you can see through an app" ... it's more "wow, I can see stuff and use that info that I see. without occupying desk space." | 23:23 |
| +crythias | like putting irc behind the app you're working on. | 23:23 |
| +crythias | you can follow the thread without having to alt-tab to it everytime someone posts. | 23:24 |
| +crythias | and without limiting your workspace by occupying it with the irc app | 23:24 |
| dwalisser | well permissions are fixed, still have the error with collaboration system | 23:26 |
| +crythias | gtg ttfn | 23:27 |
| -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit ["Leaving."] | 23:27 | |
| dwalisser | this looks like the component (spectre?) that runs periodically the error is spit out every 60 seconds | 23:28 |
| dwalisser | http://pastebin.ca/395207 | 23:29 |
| --- Day changed Thu Mar 15 2007 | ||
| -!- dwalisser [n=dwalisse@74-129-192-43.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 00:08 | |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: do you want me to update the Session/Http test to pass, or should I wait a bit more until everything is tested out? | 00:36 |
| @rizen | to test pass? | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | with the new additions that were made to HTTP.pm, HTTP.t will probably start failing | 01:07 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] | 01:38 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui | 02:01 | |
| -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has joined #webgui | 02:04 | |
| -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has quit [] | 04:24 | |
| -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: nuba, pjesi | 05:39 | |
| -!- Netsplit over, joins: nuba | 05:40 | |
| -!- Netsplit over, joins: pjesi | 05:40 | |
| @rizen | nuba? | 05:46 |
| @rizen | nuba prinscali? | 05:46 |
| @rizen | sorry if i misspelled that | 05:47 |
| nuba | sorta | 05:56 |
| nuba | nuba princigalli | 05:56 |
| @rizen | sorry, it's been so long since i've spelled it | 05:56 |
| nuba | yeah, its me | 05:56 |
| @rizen | how have you been man! | 05:56 |
| nuba | yup. its been a while, indeed | 05:57 |
| @rizen | i haven't really talked to you since....i don't know when | 05:57 |
| @rizen | maybe WUC 2004 | 05:57 |
| @rizen | are you still at the university? | 05:57 |
| nuba | yeah i've been kept busy as a sysadmin these last two years | 05:57 |
| nuba | university was on standy mode, resuming this semester | 05:58 |
| nuba | (I hope so) :) | 05:58 |
| @rizen | what kind of sysadmin stuff you been up to? | 05:59 |
| nuba | we exchanged words a few times after wuc2004 in the w3 list | 05:59 |
| nuba | not much tho | 05:59 |
| @rizen | yeah. but nothing much | 05:59 |
| @rizen | that list is pretty dead these days | 05:59 |
| nuba | yeah | 06:00 |
| @rizen | are you still doing webgui stuff these days? i see that the brazil site is still up | 06:00 |
| nuba | and actually my w3brasil site went dead not long ago | 06:01 |
| nuba | getting it back up soon | 06:01 |
| @rizen | it did? then what's this: http://www.foco.fae.ufmg.br/ | 06:01 |
| nuba | yeah thats where its hosted, a server at the university | 06:02 |
| @rizen | i think webgui worldwide is a dead concept these days | 06:02 |
| @rizen | i think it's my failure | 06:02 |
| @rizen | i just don't know what i should have done to make it better | 06:02 |
| nuba | back, had to receive pizza at the door :) | 06:08 |
| nuba | so i think there still hope for w3 | 06:08 |
| @rizen | pizza is always good | 06:08 |
| nuba | lets discuss that matter further | 06:09 |
| @rizen | really? how do you think there is hope? | 06:09 |
| nuba | but not quite right now, handling some fires at work | 06:09 |
| nuba | also im hungry | 06:09 |
| @rizen | ok | 06:09 |
| @rizen | bring it up on the w3 list | 06:09 |
| @rizen | or on irc later | 06:09 |
| @rizen | i'm almost always on | 06:09 |
| @rizen | have good pizza | 06:09 |
| @rizen | ttyl | 06:09 |
| nuba | heh txh | 06:09 |
| nuba | l8r | 06:09 |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] | 06:44 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 08:48 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 08:48 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] | 09:37 | |
| -!- patspam [n=notgiven@203-214-26-249.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #webgui | 09:43 | |
| patspam | hey all | 09:43 |
| patspam | anyone about? | 09:43 |
| -!- patspam [n=notgiven@203-214-26-249.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Client Quit] | 09:47 | |
| -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui | 10:10 | |
| nuba | rizen: www.webgui.com.br is back alive | 11:22 |
| nuba | just for the record :) | 11:22 |
| nuba | downtime of a couple of weeks, most of it cause of bureaucracy | 11:26 |
| nuba | gotta get it hosted out of the university's net asap | 11:27 |
| nuba | when net breaks there its back in minutes or hours | 11:28 |
| nuba | when hardware breaks, its nightmare, paperwork, etc | 11:30 |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 13:07 | |
| -!- rjacobsen [n=rjacobse@74-129-192-43.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #webgui | 15:18 | |
| rjacobsen | please look at http://paste.biz/paste-960.html and tell me how to fix this error | 15:22 |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@247.sub-75-207-230.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI | 15:38 | |
| -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has joined #webgui | 16:12 | |
| @rizen | you shouldn't "demand" answers if you want help | 16:31 |
| @rizen | your uploads folder needs to be recursively owned by your web user | 16:42 |
| @rizen | that has a 99% probability of being your problem | 16:42 |
| diakopter | rizen: did you mean to leave "return $self->{_http}{cacheControl} || 1;" in Http.pm? looks like something one might use for testing. | 16:46 |
| @rizen | yes i did | 16:52 |
| @rizen | in most circumstances the max age for webgui should be 1 second | 16:52 |
| @rizen | meaning, the browser should re-ask webgui everytime whether the page has changed or not | 16:53 |
| rjacobsen | sorry i did not mean to look like i was demanding - was on the phone when i pasted that and tryin to take notes at the same time | 16:54 |
| rjacobsen | but i appreciate the help | 16:54 |
| diakopter | fyi: the wre-ubuntu-0.72 runs just fine on debian etch (testing, about to be stable). | 16:55 |
| -!- rjacobsen [n=rjacobse@74-129-192-43.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit ["User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby"] | 18:42 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has joined #webgui | 19:16 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 19:16 | |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: ever think about partnering with Red Hat to help sell wG? | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | http://news.com.com/2100-7344_3-6167370.html | 19:17 |
| @rizen | yup...i think about it | 19:28 |
| @rizen | it's one of those decisions that takes some investment for an undeterminable gain | 19:33 |
| @rizen | right now i feel our resources are better spent eliminating our technical debt (fixing bugs, writing documentation, getting out a new WRE) | 19:34 |
| @rizen | but later in the year, things like this will likely be much more valuable | 19:34 |
| @rizen | because we've killed the largest part of our technical debt | 19:34 |
| -!- rjacobsen [n=rjacobse@74-129-192-43.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #webgui | 19:37 | |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | killing debt | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | smashing bugs | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | hacking code | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I feel very Stephen King | 19:38 |
| rjacobsen | i have a question about groups and the admin console if someone could help me - i have searched the forums, and it seems there are a lot of people with the same dilemna but no real answer..... what i want to do is be able to remove stuff from the admin console for the "Turn Admin On" group without removing it from the admin console for the "Admin" group | 19:40 |
| @rizen | you mean you want to set privileges for who can access various features in the admin console? | 19:40 |
| rjacobsen | the users in the "turn admin on" group can click on the items in the admin console, but it just brings up "permission denied" page.... i wanna remove them so they cant even click them | 19:41 |
| @rizen | who can access statistics, who can access 'manage users', etc | 19:41 |
| @rizen | oh, it shouldn't do that | 19:41 |
| @rizen | they should only see stuff they can use | 19:41 |
| @rizen | which items? | 19:41 |
| rjacobsen | it isnt workin in mine | 19:41 |
| rjacobsen | all i want them to see is commit changes if it comes up, clipboard, trash, and version tags | 19:43 |
| rjacobsen | nothing else | 19:43 |
| rjacobsen | not even help | 19:43 |
| @rizen | then submit an rfe | 19:43 |
| @rizen | for a feature that would allow you to set who can access what | 19:44 |
| @rizen | currently those things are hard coded | 19:44 |
| rjacobsen | i see | 19:44 |
| rjacobsen | is there a way maybe to not show the admin console at all? but still allow them to have the edit function next to stuff they are allowed to edit? | 19:44 |
| @rizen | yup...you can submit an RFE for that =) | 19:45 |
| rjacobsen | lol | 19:45 |
| rjacobsen | im battin 0's here | 19:45 |
| @rizen | you have to understand that webgui is designed to give the user power | 19:46 |
| @rizen | not to take power away from them | 19:46 |
| rjacobsen | i understand | 19:46 |
| rjacobsen | its just some of the people using these sites are real idiots | 19:46 |
| rjacobsen | they cant even change their own underware sometimes i think | 19:47 |
| @rizen | yeah, i know | 19:47 |
| rjacobsen | and to eliminate the grief without making them feel totally left out, i wanna simply remove the stuff they can screw up | 19:47 |
| @rizen | that's why we created ui levels | 19:47 |
| @rizen | but that only helps with assets | 19:48 |
| @rizen | not with the admin console | 19:48 |
| rjacobsen | well i set the uilevel of one of the users to 1 and it still shows all the stuff in the admin console | 19:48 |
| rjacobsen | ya | 19:48 |
| rjacobsen | what u said | 19:48 |
| rjacobsen | do you think it would be a good thing to have to be able to edit what powers certain groups/users have? maybe a check list of what a group can and cannot use? | 19:49 |
| rjacobsen | would seem like the easiest fix | 19:50 |
| @rizen | yeah, we can create a screen where you can set which groups can use each of the admin console features | 19:50 |
| rjacobsen | that would be awesome | 19:50 |
| @rizen | that's why i said submit the rfe | 19:50 |
| rjacobsen | ok where do i do that? the forum? | 19:50 |
| @rizen | plainblack.com > support > RFE | 19:51 |
| rjacobsen | ahh ya i just found it as u typed it | 19:51 |
| rjacobsen | http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/admin-console-items#SlCE2hPMGObJw9Fqa35hFQ | 20:00 |
| rjacobsen | done | 20:00 |
| rjacobsen | thank you rizen | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | After the RFE has been rated,don't forget to pump some karma into it to bring up on people's RFE radar. The battle for the 7.4 release is still open. | 20:01 |
| rjacobsen | how do i use the karma | 20:01 |
| rjacobsen | i have 353 it seems | 20:01 |
| rjacobsen | lol i used all my karma on it | 20:02 |
| rjacobsen | guess i hope it works lol | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | it will work, it's just a question of how it rates against other projects in difficulty. | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | see this page for karma details | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/wg/karma | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | basically, board posts, bugs, polls, RFEs and user contribs pump up karma | 20:04 |
| rjacobsen | in see | 20:04 |
| rjacobsen | i put in all my karma and it still says karma rank 0.000004 | 20:05 |
| +perlDreamer | The RFE hasn't been rated yet, most likely | 20:05 |
| rjacobsen | shouldnt that be 353.000... | 20:05 |
| +perlDreamer | RFEs are rated according to difficulty | 20:05 |
| rjacobsen | ahh ok | 20:05 |
| rjacobsen | gotcha | 20:05 |
| +perlDreamer | since this one is unrated, it's using the default (WAY TOO HARD TO EVEN DREAM ABOUT, DUDE) | 20:06 |
| rjacobsen | lol | 20:06 |
| rjacobsen | well i know it cant be that hard | 20:06 |
| rjacobsen | everything is there to do it already - just need to add a page with the controls | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | You should also know that adding a patch to your RFE to implement it can help get it accepted, even if it isn't at the top of the list. | 20:06 |
| rjacobsen | is there a macro already in webgui that would return a person to the last page visited in webgui if they have left the site to another window like paypal? | 22:18 |
| -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui | 22:20 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ | 22:20 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@247.sub-75-207-230.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 22:42 | |
| -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has quit [] | 22:45 | |
| +perlDreamer | rjacobsen: no | 22:49 |
| rjacobsen | ill just use http://www.^Env("SERVER_NAME");/^PageUrl; then :) thank anyhoo | 22:59 |
| rjacobsen | thanks* | 22:59 |
| +perlDreamer | If you can use macros, then try ^/(^PageUrl;); | 23:12 |
| rjacobsen | will that pull the current page? | 23:12 |
| rjacobsen | if so that is cool | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | ^/ is the gateway macro. Most people have the gateway configured to be / anyway, but it's always good practice | 23:13 |
| +perlDreamer | It will guarantee portability of solutions like this across different sites | 23:13 |
| rjacobsen | so i should have the carrot in front of all my beginning /'s? | 23:14 |
| @preaction | ^/; actually | 23:14 |
| rjacobsen | like /images/file/etc | 23:14 |
| @preaction | what does spectre error: "Error: Couldn't fetch Spectre configuration data for alumni.conf" get fixed? | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | it means the spectre.conf couldn't be read? | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | rjacobsen, no | 23:16 |
| @rizen | no | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Asset URLs are safe and handled automatically | 23:16 |
| @rizen | preaction: that means that it wasn't able to talk to webgui | 23:16 |
| @rizen | to get the workflow/scheduler data | 23:16 |
| @rizen | for that site | 23:16 |
| @preaction | so that'd be a spectre.conf problem | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | but anytime you call out another macro, you should use the gateway macro (^/;) | 23:16 |
| @rizen | it's more likely a alumni.conf problem | 23:17 |
| @rizen | spectreSubnets | 23:17 |
| @preaction | ok, i'll try that | 23:17 |
| @rizen | did you try running perl spectre.pl --test | 23:17 |
| @rizen | while spectre was running | 23:17 |
| @rizen | preaction, also make sure the site is upgraded to 7.3.12 because there was a bug in that retrieval process that could happen intermittently | 23:18 |
| @rizen | in 7.311 | 23:18 |
| rjacobsen | wow that is gonna be a whole lotta work...... i didnt know i had to have that in front of all my macros.... i have just been putting ^PageUrl; (for example) ...and what u are saying is it should be ^/;^PageUrl; ? | 23:18 |
| +perlDreamer | ^/(^PageUrl;); | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | nested, not appended | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | and again, only for pages that you'd like to copy to other sites (like packages), and places where you want to refer back to the site. | 23:19 |
| rjacobsen | i see | 23:20 |
| rjacobsen | and the ^/ is as good as saying http://www.mysite.com/^PageUrl; ? | 23:21 |
| rjacobsen | i mean ^/ takes the place of the beginning url | 23:21 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui | 23:21 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ | 23:21 | |
| rjacobsen | it refers to the site it was called from | 23:21 |
| rjacobsen | wow that is so cool | 23:24 |
| rjacobsen | very nice - thank you perl | 23:24 |
| rjacobsen | its just amazing how one little snippet of code can brighten up your whole day lol - saved me a lot of work there perl | 23:28 |
| rjacobsen | now i just gotta hope paypal accepts it | 23:28 |
| @rizen | AMH_mari: i'm guessing you're one of the people from Alpha Mega Hosting in Holland, is that correct? | 23:29 |
| @rizen | i guess if i looked at your login details that would have been an obvious question | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | rjacobsen, if it doesn't contain the site name, then ^H(); will | 23:33 |
| rjacobsen | thanks so much | 23:35 |
| rjacobsen | well for the return url in the form that gets sent to paypal i have put in ^/(^PageUrl;); .....and when i made a snippet with <a href="^/(^PageUrl;);" target="_blank">test</a> it pulled up the current page i was on in a new window - so theoretically it should send paypal the page url of the page that sent the customer to the paypal site so paypal has the return url | 23:37 |
| --- Day changed Fri Mar 16 2007 | ||
| -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has joined #webgui | 00:04 | |
| @rizen | well i think we got our new guy | 00:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | your new dev | 00:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | ? | 00:15 |
| @rizen | yup | 00:15 |
| @rizen | still have second round of interviews | 00:15 |
| @rizen | but i'm pretty sure | 00:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | too bad he can't be highly fashionable, ueberhip and whatnot eurotrash =) | 00:16 |
| @rizen | you know i wanted to hire you MrHairgrease | 00:16 |
| @rizen | but we don't hire eurotrash | 00:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | hah | 00:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | You could never give me the benefit oqpai does | 00:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | we have cups with our logo you know =) | 00:16 |
| @rizen | hot naked dancing chicks? | 00:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | for real | 00:16 |
| @rizen | oh you're right | 00:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | hot coffee | 00:16 |
| @rizen | we only have hot naked dancing chicks | 00:17 |
| @rizen | no cups | 00:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | almost the same i'd say =) | 00:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | too bad | 00:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's not fo me then | 00:17 |
| @rizen | we have lots of t-shirts though | 00:17 |
| @rizen | could i lure you with a t-shirt? | 00:17 |
| @rizen | heh | 00:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | I already have a bunch | 00:17 |
| @rizen | yeah i know..you keep coming to the wuc | 00:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | Marijn sleeps in em sometimes | 00:17 |
| @rizen | that must help get the eurotrash manstink off of them | 00:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | now that's combining work with pleasure | 00:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | loveodour | 00:18 |
| @rizen | heh | 00:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 00:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | hey | 00:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | is nuba back? | 00:18 |
| @rizen | indeed | 00:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | cool | 00:18 |
| @rizen | talked to him last night for a minute or too | 00:18 |
| @rizen | he sounds pretty busy though | 00:19 |
| @rizen | but he said he has an idea or two about how to revive the W3 | 00:19 |
| @rizen | it's good to have nuba back | 00:19 |
| @rizen | he's great | 00:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | it is | 00:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | he is | 00:19 |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI | 00:19 | |
| @rizen | SDuensin however...not so great to have him back | 00:20 |
| @rizen | he smells like a ZKDesktop user | 00:20 |
| @rizen | oh hi SDuensin | 00:21 |
| @rizen | didn't see you there | 00:22 |
| @rizen | =) | 00:22 |
| SDuensin | Hey! | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | ZKDesktop writer, too | 00:22 |
| * SDuensin just put 2000+ images on his NEW WEBGUI site. :-P | 00:23 | |
| SDuensin | ZK Desktop is work. WebGUI is fun! | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | oooh | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | how long did that take? | 00:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | a while i guess | 00:24 |
| SDuensin | Yea. Did it all yesterday evening. | 00:25 |
| SDuensin | It's not "live" yet, but: http://new.duensing.com | 00:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | you did it by hand? | 00:26 |
| SDuensin | Well, using the import perl script thing. | 00:26 |
| SDuensin | Still a lot of work. | 00:26 |
| SDuensin | BRB - food time | 00:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 00:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | image magick is pretty heavy | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | and the import perl script thing worked okay? | 00:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | I guess | 00:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | i use myself all the time | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I did test it after I rewrote it, but it's nice to know that it scaled okay | 00:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | it used to be real bad though | 00:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | you rewrote it? | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | when? | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | wait a minute, I'm thinking of the thumbnailer script | 00:29 |
| @rizen | why is there not a zkdesktop asset in webgui? | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | nm | 00:29 |
| @rizen | gotta go make dinner, be back in a bit | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I actually have an idea for a ACME contest entry | 00:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | cool | 00:29 |
| pjesi | me2 | 00:31 |
| pjesi | but I dont have time to polish it, so I am forcing Hinrik to do the dirty work for me :P | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | what evil hold do you have on him, anyway? ;) | 00:35 |
| @rizen | what's your idea pd? | 00:44 |
| @rizen | and pjesi? | 00:44 |
| pjesi | perlDreamer: if you only knew ;) | 00:45 |
| SDuensin | ZK Desktop + WebGUI = EVERY DEPENDENCY KNOWN TO MAN! :-) | 00:45 |
| @rizen | SDuensin...i'm serious | 00:46 |
| @rizen | i think it should be done | 00:46 |
| pjesi | rizen: youtube/google video asset, I think I talked to you about it before | 00:46 |
| @rizen | that would be SOOOOOOOOOO cool | 00:46 |
| @rizen | pjesi that would be cool | 00:46 |
| SDuensin | rizen, you're insane. | 00:46 |
| @rizen | actually a macro would work for that | 00:46 |
| * SDuensin is doing a Flash video thing next. | 00:46 | |
| @rizen | why SD | 00:46 |
| pjesi | SDuensin: what kind of flash video thing? | 00:47 |
| SDuensin | It's entirely in Java. Tomcat or Jetty. Not even sure how it'd fit with WebGUI. | 00:47 |
| diakopter | perlDreamer: what's your ACME idea, or is it a secret? | 00:47 |
| SDuensin | pjesi - Just some integration with a little player I found so I can get the videos back on my site. | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a secret | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | but it will revolutionize content entry into wG by eliminating the keyboard | 00:48 |
| @rizen | SD, sorry, i thought it was a web2.0 desktop | 00:48 |
| SDuensin | Like my image gallery. It's nothing really "new", but I integrated a bunch of parts into WebGUI. | 00:48 |
| @rizen | i didn't realize that it had a full backend as well | 00:48 |
| pjesi | Java all the way | 00:48 |
| diakopter | perlDreamer: some secret :) | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | gotta scoot, more hints and tidbits later | 00:48 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] | 00:48 | |
| SDuensin | rizen, it is, but it's Java. You code like there's no separation of the server and client logic. Code like a desktop app. :-) | 00:48 |
| pjesi | I think I know his secret | 00:48 |
| diakopter | there's all kinds of nifty JS things that could be created as ACME macros | 00:51 |
| SDuensin | Oh yea. :-) | 00:52 |
| SDuensin | Just write something to neatly handle Google Widgets and you instantly have 2000+ new toys to plug in to a site. | 00:52 |
| diakopter | hmm | 00:57 |
| * SDuensin is kind of frightened that everyone in here is suddenly mentioning ZK Desktop. WTF? :-D | 00:59 | |
| +MrHairgrease | wtf? | 01:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | isn't this #zkdesktop? | 01:00 |
| SDuensin | :-P | 01:00 |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui | 02:00 | |
| +MrHairgrease | rizen | 02:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | if i inherit from an asset that uses getEditForm | 02:02 |
| @rizen | MrHairgrease | 02:02 |
| @rizen | the answer is 2 | 02:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | and my extyending asset uses autoGenerateForms | 02:03 |
| @rizen | or perhaps 42, i forget which | 02:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | is it correct that the autogenerated form | 02:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | is not shown? | 02:03 |
| @rizen | that's probably true | 02:03 |
| @rizen | methinks that y ou need to use autogenerate all the way through to the last one | 02:04 |
| @rizen | the last one need not use auto | 02:04 |
| @rizen | but you can't skip it in the middle | 02:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | ic | 02:04 |
| @rizen | which asset is that? | 02:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | too bad then | 02:04 |
| @rizen | perhaps we could make it use auto | 02:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's for the acme comp | 02:04 |
| @rizen | no..which one are you inheriting from | 02:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | layout | 02:04 |
| @rizen | let me look, maybe 7.3.13 can have it use auto | 02:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | don't worry | 02:05 |
| diakopter | the hidden children list might prevent that | 02:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll convert it to geteditform | 02:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | however | 02:05 |
| @rizen | ok | 02:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | the other way round could be bad | 02:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you have some asset using autogenerate | 02:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | you cannot extend it with geteditform | 02:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm not sure if you can do everything within autogenerate | 02:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | that you can do in geteditform | 02:06 |
| @rizen | you pretty much can if you're willing to turn everything into form elements | 02:07 |
| @rizen | which may not always be desirable | 02:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | you can't add tabs right? | 02:07 |
| diakopter | or make autogenerate support callbacks | 02:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | callbacks suck | 02:07 |
| @rizen | true, you can't add tabs | 02:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | i think it would be possible to mix both auto and geteditform | 02:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it can wait for 7.4 | 02:08 |
| @rizen | well if you can make that work that's fine too | 02:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | it seems more 'neat' | 02:08 |
| @rizen | i'm sure it's possible to do that...just don't know what it would take | 02:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll put it on the rfe tomorrow | 02:08 |
| @rizen | k | 02:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | and i'll look into itr when i've got the time | 02:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | I must be insane | 02:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | I can't get it to work | 02:34 |
| @rizen | is it cuz you're lame? | 02:35 |
| @rizen | i think i know why | 02:35 |
| @rizen | is this the leetout? | 02:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | fuck you rizen | 02:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 02:35 |
| @rizen | it's due to content chunking | 02:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it's a total rewrite | 02:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 02:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | that i've got working | 02:35 |
| @rizen | hmmm | 02:35 |
| @rizen | then what's not working? | 02:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | i can't get the form elements to show up in the form | 02:36 |
| @rizen | weird | 02:36 |
| @rizen | i still submit that it's due to your lameness | 02:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | wait | 02:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | firefox borked | 02:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | i shut it down and restarted it | 02:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | now it works | 02:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | somehow ff isn't refreshing pages sometimes | 02:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | not wg related | 02:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | w00t | 02:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | 1t w0rk$ | 02:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | but | 02:40 |
| @rizen | url | 02:40 |
| @rizen | but? | 02:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | now i've discovered an error in the IntSlider | 02:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | anyway | 02:41 |
| @rizen | yeah that thing sucks | 02:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'll fix that tomorrow | 02:41 |
| @rizen | i don't know who wrote it | 02:41 |
| @rizen | =) | 02:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | fur | 02:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | !!! | 02:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | time for bed | 02:41 |
| @rizen | no url for me? | 02:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | see you guys later | 02:41 |
| @rizen | ok then | 02:41 |
| @rizen | sleep tight | 02:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'll get you one tomorrow | 02:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | i just reset my db | 02:42 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] | 02:42 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] | 02:46 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 04:10 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 04:22 | |
| -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has quit [] | 04:25 | |
| -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 04:26 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 04:34 | |
| @preaction | anyone else have those times where you just HOPE against HOPE that the fact that the hard drive's still spinning means that you do NOT have a major problem on your system, even though it's been unresponsive for an hour | 04:41 |
| @preaction | ... and a hard reboot brings you back to a screen where it goes unresponsive without any input from you? | 04:41 |
| @rizen | did you fuck up your mac? | 04:42 |
| @preaction | because if it's still working, it might be a 2-minute fix, but if it's not you'll be spending the next four hours trying to rebuild the system because you have no idea what's wrong | 04:42 |
| @preaction | my dev virtual machine | 04:42 |
| @preaction | which is worse, because i KNOW that there are things i should back up, and being unresponsive means no backup | 04:42 |
| SDuensin | Ouch. | 04:52 |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui | 05:06 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 06:00 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 06:16 | |
| -!- patspam [n=notgiven@203-214-26-249.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #webgui | 06:28 | |
| patspam | hey guys | 06:28 |
| @preaction | is the little metal bar on the chinese food boxes okay to put in the microwave? | 06:30 |
| patspam | heh probably not.. | 06:31 |
| patspam | is there a known bug with lastPost in relation to Message Boards? | 06:32 |
| @preaction | you mean it being wrong? | 06:33 |
| patspam | yeah | 06:33 |
| patspam | that one | 06:33 |
| @preaction | check the bug list, and what version? | 06:33 |
| @preaction | i think we tried closing it | 06:33 |
| patspam | 7.3.10 | 06:33 |
| @preaction | i think we tried closing it in .11 | 06:34 |
| @preaction | but you want .12 | 06:34 |
| @preaction | (since there's a known bug in .12 | 06:34 |
| @preaction | but then there are a lot of known bugs | 06:34 |
| @preaction | umm.... | 06:34 |
| @preaction | keep updated! | 06:34 |
| patspam | ah cool, "lastpost" search in svn log didn't hit anything, I'll check the plainblack bug site | 06:34 |
| patspam | hmm no hits on pb bug site | 06:36 |
| patspam | and no mention in the changelog | 06:37 |
| @preaction | maybe we didn't fix it | 06:37 |
| @preaction | but i could've swore | 06:37 |
| @rizen | my new girlfriend: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali | 06:39 |
| -!- patspam [n=notgiven@203-214-26-249.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] | 07:02 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 07:15 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 07:26 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 07:38 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 07:43 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 08:40 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 08:46 | |
| -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 09:10 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 09:29 | |
| -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui | 09:34 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] | 09:35 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 09:37 | |
| -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui | 09:45 | |
| -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] | 09:56 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 10:09 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 10:22 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 10:52 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 13:09 | |
| -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has joined #webgui | 14:38 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@197.sub-75-205-65.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI | 15:51 | |
| SDuensin | Good morning! | 15:51 |
| diakopter | morn | 15:53 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@194.171.50.114] has joined #webgui | 16:17 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ | 16:17 | |
| @rizen | howdy | 16:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | rizen are you there? | 16:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 16:18 |
| @rizen | nope | 16:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | guess so | 16:18 |
| @rizen | just us chickens | 16:18 |
| @rizen | AMH_mari, are you there? | 16:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'll be making an extension to the redirect asset | 16:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | which will allow you to redirect based on the url that was called | 16:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | will that have a chance to make it into 7.4? | 16:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | i need to know | 16:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | b/c i'll have to decide wheter i hack the original asset | 16:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | or subclass it | 16:19 |
| @rizen | i don't understand, the redirect asset has only one URL, so how could it do anything different based upon url? | 16:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | think of something like this | 16:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | oqapi.nl/home will redirect to oqapi.nl/home_nl | 16:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | oqapi.com/home -> oqapi.com/home_en | 16:21 |
| @rizen | so it's going to look at the sitename to make the determination | 16:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 16:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | we used to do that with rewriterules | 16:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | but those kinda suck | 16:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | for stuff like this anyway | 16:21 |
| @rizen | that sounds good, but what will the UI experience be like for the user | 16:22 |
| @rizen | for example | 16:22 |
| @rizen | let's say someone want's to use it the way it works now | 16:22 |
| @rizen | will they have to type in a sitename? | 16:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | I think i want to build it like this | 16:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | there's a default redirect | 16:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | which is the same as it is right now | 16:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | users with the apropiate ui level however | 16:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | will see a button | 16:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | which says add specific edirect | 16:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | click it and they get a row for a regex and a location | 16:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | and again a button for adding additional rules | 16:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | so in the end | 16:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | the mere mortal end user | 16:25 |
| @rizen | so you're basically rewriting rewrites | 16:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | will notoce no difference | 16:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | no really | 16:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | rewrites ar emore powerful | 16:25 |
| @rizen | ok, you're rewriting rewrites and making them suck | 16:25 |
| @rizen | =) | 16:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | but not very handy since they require shell access and a restart | 16:25 |
| @rizen | one last question | 16:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | dumb down would be the better term | 16:26 |
| pjesi | I like it | 16:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 16:26 |
| @rizen | if in the future we design a way to tell mod_perl that mod_proxy is in SSL or not | 16:26 |
| @rizen | could that be used in these rules? | 16:26 |
| @rizen | so if you're in SSL redirect here | 16:26 |
| @rizen | if not, redirect there | 16:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | probably | 16:27 |
| @rizen | ok then, you have my blessing | 16:27 |
| @rizen | 7.4 it is | 16:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | That might require an additional switch though | 16:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | not completely sure yet | 16:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok cool | 16:27 |
| pjesi | since we are on the topic, can we add a small calendar template for month views to 7.4? I already have the template and the extra template variables for monthView | 16:31 |
| @rizen | sure | 16:33 |
| @rizen | since you're not a core contributor though | 16:33 |
| @rizen | you need to publish your stuff to an RFE | 16:33 |
| @rizen | so we remember to include it | 16:33 |
| rjacobsen | rizen u have a minute? | 16:38 |
| @rizen | sure | 16:38 |
| rjacobsen | i submitted an rfe yesterday and it already has a -1 rating... im not sure people understand what i am asking for... | 16:38 |
| rjacobsen | i think if people knew - they would like it ....but i dont know how to put it in tech terms | 16:39 |
| Radix_ | Ahh.. i bet rfe's are another one of the collabs that visitors can rate | 16:39 |
| rjacobsen | real simple - make a list of the items that appear in the admin console with check boxes after them under each group category, then you can turn off or on the item in the admin console for that group | 16:40 |
| @rizen | don't worry about the ratings | 16:40 |
| @rizen | we don't even look at them | 16:40 |
| rjacobsen | this would totally eliminate people in certain groups from seeing different things | 16:40 |
| rjacobsen | ok man | 16:40 |
| @rizen | the only thing that's important to us is the karma | 16:40 |
| rjacobsen | i only had 353 karma and i THINK i fed it all into it.... not sure if i did it right tho | 16:41 |
| @rizen | Karma Rank: 1117.66666666667 | 16:42 |
| @rizen | that's your karma rank as of now | 16:42 |
| Radix_ | wish my rfe's were that easy | 16:42 |
| rjacobsen | umm why does it show 0.00004 karma rank on my screen? | 16:43 |
| rjacobsen | wierd | 16:43 |
| Radix_ | I'm still pumping karma into the search one that aimtec submitted | 16:43 |
| @rizen | probably cached | 16:44 |
| Radix_ | and it's ranked about 50 :( | 16:44 |
| @rizen | what's the url radix? | 16:44 |
| Radix_ | http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/search-asset-returns-urls | 16:44 |
| @rizen | the difference is that the karma scale for yours is 30 | 16:44 |
| @rizen | and the one for rjacobsens is 3 | 16:45 |
| @rizen | so you have to have 10 times the amount of karma to get it to the same level | 16:45 |
| Radix_ | I know :( | 16:45 |
| Radix_ | it's about the only thing I really want in webgui at the moment tho | 16:46 |
| Radix_ | can you actually see how much karma I've put into it so far? | 16:47 |
| @rizen | that's easy, just multiply the rank by 30 | 16:48 |
| @rizen | karma rank = karma contribiuted / karma scale | 16:48 |
| Radix_ | so 1872 karma in there atm then | 16:49 |
| @rizen | someone should put in an RFE to see karma scale and karma contributed | 16:49 |
| @rizen | =) | 16:49 |
| Radix_ | pfft.. sif I have any karma left to put into that :P | 16:50 |
| @rizen | you know if you contribute to these contests you get lots of karma | 16:50 |
| Radix_ | any news on when the wcc howto contest is going to be judged? | 16:50 |
| @rizen | even if you don't win you still get 250 | 16:50 |
| pjesi | rjacobsen: I fixed your rating :) | 16:50 |
| Radix_ | I was hoping to get karma from that | 16:50 |
| @rizen | that's a good question | 16:51 |
| Radix_ | I submitted about five entries | 16:51 |
| @rizen | roy is in charge of that | 16:51 |
| @rizen | oh, then you'll be getting lots of karma | 16:51 |
| Radix_ | that was the plan | 16:51 |
| Radix_ | :) | 16:51 |
| rjacobsen | ty pjesi | 16:51 |
| @rizen | when roy comes online i'll find out where that is | 16:51 |
| Radix_ | cool :) | 16:51 |
| @rizen | i haven't seen him yet today | 16:52 |
| rjacobsen | you guys should see the detail we have implimented webgui in on our server - these sites we are producing are totally dynamic - i am so loving this cms | 16:52 |
| Radix_ | cool | 16:53 |
| rjacobsen | all i need to do now is provide our users an option to upload their own logo and they would be totally dynamic | 16:53 |
| rjacobsen | some stuff on it i dont think anyone has ever thought of :) | 16:54 |
| Radix_ | Looking forward to seeing any contributions of cool assets/templates in the contribs section from you then! :) | 16:54 |
| rjacobsen | u can view if ya like ....some of the sites are www.kidscorner.us.com , www.kidsmusiccds.us.com , www.urlittlestarzmusic.com , www.musicformeonline.com , etc | 16:55 |
| rjacobsen | all on the same webgui..... kinda wondering what the limit is of sites we can setup inside it | 16:55 |
| @rizen | roy says the voting poll will be up today | 16:56 |
| Radix_ | cool | 16:56 |
| rjacobsen | we did make a really cool flash macro for webgui that works in all browsers | 16:56 |
| Radix_ | I know I won't win - pedersen has got that in the bag, but hopefully I'll win something :) | 16:57 |
| rjacobsen | and also made a really cool template that fits and stretches to any browser dimension | 16:57 |
| Radix_ | I got one of those on my company page that works pretty well | 16:57 |
| Radix_ | can select 800, 1024 or full size | 16:57 |
| Radix_ | and it autosizes on the fly :) | 16:57 |
| rjacobsen | so where would i post this flash macro we made? | 16:57 |
| @rizen | contribs | 16:58 |
| rjacobsen | ahh | 16:58 |
| @rizen | http://www.plainblack.com/getwebgui/contributed-downloads | 16:58 |
| rjacobsen | ill do that then :) | 16:58 |
| SDuensin | Flash macro? | 16:58 |
| rjacobsen | yep | 16:58 |
| rjacobsen | really cool one | 16:58 |
| rjacobsen | look at the links above | 16:58 |
| SDuensin | Loading | 16:58 |
| rjacobsen | the macros were designed for dynamic flash objects that recieve their text/properties from the web page that loads it | 16:59 |
| rjacobsen | all those flash objects that have text recieve their text fields from webgui | 16:59 |
| SDuensin | Nice. Sounds kinda like what I'm writing. :-) | 16:59 |
| -!- diakopter2 [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has joined #webgui | 17:00 | |
| SDuensin | I'm doing a macro to put FLV video on my site. | 17:00 |
| rjacobsen | they are all nothing more than empty flash objects | 17:00 |
| rjacobsen | nice | 17:00 |
| -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has quit [Nick collision from services.] | 17:00 | |
| rjacobsen | i think im about ready to take that test to become a macromedia certified pro...... | 17:00 |
| SDuensin | I need to document all this stuff so I can upload it. | 17:01 |
| * SDuensin is a Flash n00b. | 17:01 | |
| -!- diakopter2 is now known as diakopter | 17:01 | |
| rjacobsen | we also have a really cool SQLExt macro we custom made ill add to the contrib too | 17:06 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@194.171.50.114] has quit ["Leaving."] | 17:19 | |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@194.171.50.114] has joined #webgui | 17:20 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ | 17:20 | |
| rjacobsen | just submitted the flash macro to the contrib >> http://www.plainblack.com/user_contributions/user_contributions/macros/flash-macro#-Z7AdYBMS_QezLaVeK-H9A | 17:30 |
| pjesi | is this IE hack really neccessary? | 17:39 |
| rjacobsen | yes | 17:51 |
| rjacobsen | trust me | 17:51 |
| rjacobsen | because opera and ie 6 (which a lot of people still use) broke the flash objects | 17:51 |
| rjacobsen | you can remove it if necessary im sure | 17:52 |
| rjacobsen | but it really helps cross browser support | 17:52 |
| rjacobsen | i will edit the post and upload the .js file as well | 17:53 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@194.171.50.114] has left #webgui [] | 18:02 | |
| -!- khenn [n=fdillon@66-190-54-175.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #WebGUI | 18:24 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o khenn] by ChanServ | 18:24 | |
| -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 18:27 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has joined #webgui | 18:54 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 18:54 | |
| rjacobsen | how do i edit my profile on the plainblack site? not sure i like using my email address as my username/nickname | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | are you logged in now? | 19:05 |
| rjacobsen | ya i am | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you see your login name as a link? | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | Hello, loginName, you have XXXXX karma? | 19:08 |
| rjacobsen | ya | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | clicking your name will take you to the Edit Account page | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | on that page will be a link to change your profile | 19:09 |
| rjacobsen | but it is showin my email address as my login name | 19:09 |
| rjacobsen | fixed | 19:09 |
| rjacobsen | ty | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | how are your websites coming along? | 19:12 |
| rjacobsen | they are lookin very nice man | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 19:13 |
| rjacobsen | everything except the logo (if they choose to use one) is dynamic on them | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | So you feel like you're coming up to speed in WebGUI? | 19:13 |
| rjacobsen | www.kidscorner.us.com, www.personalizedcdsforkids.com, www.kidsmusiccds.us.com, www.musicalmemories4kids.com, www.musicformeonline.com, www.myspecialname.org, www.funmusicforkids.com, www.treasuresforall.net, and www.urlittlestarzmusic.com | 19:15 |
| rjacobsen | just a few sites | 19:15 |
| +perlDreamer | wow! | 19:15 |
| +perlDreamer | you've been busy | 19:15 |
| rjacobsen | i submitted 2 of my most favorite macros we made for webgui on the contrib page of webgui | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | sqlext and the flash macro? | 19:16 |
| rjacobsen | flash.pm and sqlext.pm | 19:16 |
| rjacobsen | yep | 19:16 |
| rjacobsen | im hopin others can use em too | 19:16 |
| rjacobsen | i was gonna post the dynamic flash wobjects i made.... but the explanation could go into pages of writing | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm sure they will | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Just know that some people delight in giving things negative ranking for the heck of it | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Kind of like your RFE | 19:18 |
| +perlDreamer | Just ignore it | 19:18 |
| rjacobsen | all the text you see on those sites that have that kids.ttf font are nothing more than empty flash objects with dynamic text boxes being fed info from the current page it sits on in webgui | 19:18 |
| rjacobsen | i love website design and am enjoying workin inside webgui.......... just wish i could get installed on my own personal site, but i dont have access to the computer | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, the hosting requirements for wG are a bummer. | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Although, you can get stuff hosted quite cheaply if you google for wG hosting | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | PB has an unsupported account for $20/month | 19:20 |
| rjacobsen | oh really? | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 19:23 |
| rjacobsen | u have a url for them? | 19:23 |
| rjacobsen | maybe? | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | https://www.plainblack.com/services/hosting | 19:23 |
| rjacobsen | cuz i pay $8 a month for my current hosting... | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | (had to go look it up) | 19:23 |
| rjacobsen | with that would i have total access to webgui? shell access and all? | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | With that account, I don't think there's shell access | 19:25 |
| rjacobsen | ya | 19:25 |
| rjacobsen | im thinkin of settin a pc next to my bosses in their IT building and piggy back their internet | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | that would give you shell access | 19:26 |
| rjacobsen | ya | 19:26 |
| rjacobsen | well that wont happen.... i wonder if my cable connection at home would be fast enough to host it myself | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | probably, but will they let you run a server on there? | 19:33 |
| rjacobsen | ya | 19:33 |
| rjacobsen | probably 1mb upload speed | 19:33 |
| rjacobsen | dont know if that would be fast enough tho | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, why not? | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | what kind of data would you host? | 19:36 |
| rjacobsen | just a simple website for a world of wacraft gaming guild and setup a database for a roster and such | 19:37 |
| +perlDreamer | that should be no problem at all | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | you only need bandwidth for graphics, audio, multimedia and BIG files | 19:38 |
| rjacobsen | eventually i wanna offer guilds in wow full sites at a cost that i would upkeep for them | 19:38 |
| rjacobsen | something i dont think anyone is doing yet :) | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | if you do that, then I'd definitely go with someone hosting it | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | that way you offload all the hardware and OS maintenance onto someone else | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | and let you concentrate on the core business | 19:40 |
| rjacobsen | but i would need to have shell access | 19:41 |
| rjacobsen | and im not rich lol | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | What kind of shell access do you want for wG? | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I mean, most wG stuff is done right through the browser | 19:43 |
| rjacobsen | to be able to create macros and such | 19:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I see | 19:43 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, for custom code you have to have shell access | 19:43 |
| rjacobsen | i dont think i can create macros in the gui | 19:43 |
| rjacobsen | although that would make a cool RFE | 19:43 |
| +perlDreamer | people have talked about allowing core code uploads, but it's dangerous | 19:44 |
| rjacobsen | to add something that would allow the use to create a custom macro | 19:44 |
| rjacobsen | user* | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | since core code is shared among sites, one bad file contaminates everyone's site | 19:44 |
| rjacobsen | ya | 19:44 |
| rjacobsen | oh ya i have found that out | 19:44 |
| rjacobsen | in just the 11 sites we have hosted | 19:45 |
| rjacobsen | well time to get back to flash animation......... good talkin to ya tho :) | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | cya | 19:46 |
| -!- greghacke [n=greghack@cpe-24-210-44-41.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 19:59 | |
| greghacke | off-kilter q: anyone know where I can D/L a VM of webgui? | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | sourceforge | 20:02 |
| greghacke | where i am going now... | 20:02 |
| diakopter | the one I put up there was removed I think | 20:02 |
| diakopter | or at least unlinked/hidden | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, well in that case we don't have one anymore | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | google? | 20:03 |
| greghacke | looking there now. maay just go with WRE for windows | 20:03 |
| greghacke | (cik) | 20:03 |
| greghacke | (ick) | 20:03 |
| greghacke | or buy a copy of RedHat Enterprise and build a VM myself. | 20:20 |
| +perlDreamer | or use CentOs, which is RHEL | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | or Scientific Linux, which is purer RHEL than CentOs | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | or use Fedora | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | or Ubuntu | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | or even OpenSolaris | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I hear that BSD works pretty well | 20:25 |
| greghacke | May try RHEL | 20:27 |
| greghacke | I mean Scientific Linux | 20:27 |
| greghacke | :-) I have CentOS | 20:27 |
| -!- greghacke [n=greghack@cpe-24-210-44-41.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 20:36 | |
| -!- greghacke [n=greghack@cpe-24-210-44-41.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 20:40 | |
| diakopter | the wre 0.72 works just great on debian etch. | 20:44 |
| diakopter | so you could use debian etch. | 20:44 |
| greghacke | not a big debian user. Solaris, Slackware and RHEL are my most familiar... | 20:45 |
| -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui | 20:49 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ | 20:49 | |
| -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has left #webgui [] | 20:49 | |
| greghacke | looks like i'm going to build a LiveCD with LAMP and wG7 | 21:02 |
| -!- greghacke [n=greghack@cpe-24-210-44-41.columbus.res.rr.com] has left #webgui [] | 21:11 | |
| pjesi | and he left! | 21:41 |
| pjesi | damn | 21:41 |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 22:11 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ | 22:11 | |
| +perlDreamer | ahoy, snapcount! | 22:24 |
| * snapcount coughs | 22:25 | |
| @snapcount | I have the plague | 22:25 |
| @preaction | woohoo? | 22:25 |
| +perlDreamer | hang tough | 22:25 |
| +perlDreamer | drink lots of fluids | 22:25 |
| +perlDreamer | and stay away from rats | 22:26 |
| @snapcount | I'm almost undead | 22:26 |
| @snapcount | this week has been hell | 22:26 |
| @snapcount | I was in a state of hibernation last week | 22:26 |
| @snapcount | slow roasting at 101.5 degrees F | 22:26 |
| @preaction | in honey? honey is good | 22:28 |
| @snapcount | mmm cheerios | 22:28 |
| +perlDreamer | yup, he's sick | 22:34 |
| +perlDreamer | two weeks ago it was Chips Ahoy | 22:34 |
| +perlDreamer | look at how far you've fallen | 22:35 |
| @preaction | http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20070314.jpg | 22:39 |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@197.sub-75-205-65.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 22:50 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has joined #webgui | 22:52 | |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] | 23:05 | |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 23:48 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ | 23:48 | |
| -!- diakopter is now known as diakopter_afk | 23:51 | |
| -!- diakopter_afk is now known as diakopter2 | 23:52 | |
| @snapcount | that comic is awesome preaction | 23:56 |
| @preaction | yes, yes it is | 23:56 |
| --- Day changed Sat Mar 17 2007 | ||
| +perlDreamer | case insensitive file systems suck | 00:15 |
| @preaction | yes, yes they do | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you think we'll try to fix it in code, or abandon Windows? | 00:38 |
| @preaction | it's just storage locations no? we should be able to fix it in code | 00:50 |
| -!- diakopter2 is now known as diakopter | 01:11 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] | 01:12 | |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] | 02:06 | |
| -!- snapcount_ [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 02:07 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI | 02:19 | |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 02:20 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ | 02:20 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 02:24 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has quit [] | 02:25 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has joined #webgui | 02:26 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] | 02:34 | |
| diakopter | rizen: will there be a non-ACME coding contest sometime this year? | 02:42 |
| -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 03:05 | |
| -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui | 03:05 | |
| @preaction | why doesn't WebGUI::Form::SelectList have a toHtmlWithWrapper() sub? | 04:22 |
| @preaction | nevermind, its inherited, theres a different reason my form element doesn' thave a proper wrapper | 04:24 |
| snapcount_ | diakopter: yes | 05:35 |
| snapcount_ | actually it will be the contest for May | 05:35 |
| -!- snapcount_ [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [] | 07:11 | |
| -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 09:43 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-122.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui | 10:50 | |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] | 11:42 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-122.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has quit [] | 12:48 | |
| -!- Rugmonster [n=givensdj@user-24-236-70-83.knology.net] has joined #webgui | 13:43 | |
| -!- Rugmonster [n=givensdj@user-24-236-70-83.knology.net] has quit ["leaving"] | 15:02 | |
| -!- khenn [n=fdillon@66-190-54-175.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] | 18:10 | |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 18:24 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ | 18:24 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-122.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui | 18:49 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-122.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 19:40 | |
| -!- besonen_mobile_ [n=besonen_@71-220-225-182.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #webgui | 20:14 | |
| -!- Hinrik_ [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 21:50 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] | 21:53 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 23:11 | |
| -!- rjacobsen [n=rjacobse@74-129-192-43.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit ["User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby"] | 23:20 | |
| -!- Hinrik_ [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 23:25 | |
| -!- preaction_ [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 23:32 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] | 23:39 | |
| --- Day changed Sun Mar 18 2007 | ||
| -!- Hinrik_ [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 00:29 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 00:43 | |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] | 00:58 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 01:24 | |
| -!- Hinrik_ [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 01:39 | |
| -!- preaction_ is now known as preaction | 03:29 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 03:29 | |
| -!- bipolar [n=bflong@70.44.53.89] has joined #webgui | 03:53 | |
| bipolar | Does anyone else have a problem with pages just not displaying and other strange behavor problems after system upgrades? | 03:54 |
| @preaction | step 1? | 04:17 |
| @preaction | damnit gooeybot | 04:17 |
| -!- gooeybot [n=gooeybot@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 04:18 | |
| @preaction | step 1? | 04:18 |
| @preaction | i hate you gooeybot | 04:18 |
| @preaction | bipolar: what does the error log say? | 04:18 |
| bipolar | preaction: 2007/03/17 21:58:55 - WARN - securityservicecompany.com.conf - Log::Log4perl::Appender::log[182] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: /home Root cause: Can't locate object method "get" via package "WebGUI::Storage::Image" at /usr/local/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm line 178. | 04:20 |
| @preaction | did you restart? | 04:20 |
| -!- gooeybot [n=gooeybot@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 04:20 | |
| bipolar | the weird thing is, this only happens on the home page | 04:20 |
| bipolar | yes. | 04:20 |
| @preaction | clear cache? | 04:20 |
| bipolar | yep did that | 04:20 |
| @preaction | let me grep the code to see what that error means | 04:21 |
| bipolar | preaction: oh, wait... here's another one. I thought it was the same error over and over but it's this one too... | 04:22 |
| bipolar | 2007/03/17 21:58:54 - ERROR - securityservicecompany.com.conf - Log::Log4perl::Logger::__ANON__[41] - Couldn't get UI level of WebGUI::Asset::File::Image. Root cause: Can't locate object method "getUiLevel" via package "WebGUI::Asset::File::Image" at /usr/local/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm line 494. | 04:22 |
| @preaction | the getUiLevel one is common actually, but i don't think it's a "known bug" yet | 04:22 |
| @preaction | there's something random about it | 04:22 |
| bipolar | yeah... thats what it feels like. | 04:22 |
| bipolar | I'm currently uploading a static "Down for Matainance" page... :\ | 04:23 |
| @preaction | okay, it looks like they might be related, since both seem to be problems with Perl not doing inheritance correctly | 04:26 |
| @preaction | you using the WRE? | 04:26 |
| bipolar | Built from source | 04:31 |
| @preaction | have you run sbin/testEnvironment.pl recently? | 04:33 |
| bipolar | preaction: no, I'm running it now | 04:34 |
| bipolar | XML::Simple is not installed | 04:35 |
| @preaction | any errors in the Apache error log | 04:35 |
| bipolar | preaction: I'll let you know when this is done | 04:35 |
| @preaction | k | 04:35 |
| @preaction | otherwise, using screen is fun too | 04:36 |
| bipolar | preaction: there are quite a few modules that testEnviroment.pl is installing. I'm sure this is the problem. | 04:37 |
| @preaction | what OS? | 04:37 |
| bipolar | Debian Stable | 04:38 |
| @preaction | good man | 04:38 |
| bipolar | An upgrade must have borked perl | 04:38 |
| @preaction | you could use apt to install these dependancies, then they'd stay proper maybe | 04:38 |
| @preaction | or did you mean you built the WRE from source? | 04:38 |
| bipolar | preaction: I don't think they are all in Sarge. I do rember having to install some modules from cpan | 04:39 |
| bipolar | I built just webgui, not the wre | 04:39 |
| @preaction | k | 04:39 |
| bipolar | I guess I should have built the wre.. whould probbly have avoided this problem | 04:41 |
| -!- bipolar [n=bflong@70.44.53.89] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 04:43 | |
| -!- bipolar [n=bflong@70.44.53.89] has joined #webgui | 04:43 | |
| @preaction | eh, that's what testEnvironment.pl is for | 04:46 |
| bipolar | yep... here's a typical debian problem. | 04:46 |
| bipolar | MagickCore.h is nowhere to be found | 04:46 |
| @preaction | apt-get install perlmagick <- should work | 04:47 |
| bipolar | auto-apt can't find it, and Image::Magick needs it. | 04:47 |
| bipolar | yep. that installed an older version then what's in cpan, but it'll work :) | 04:47 |
| @preaction | sometimes i dislike having imagemagick as a dependancy... someone needs to make WebGUI::Image work with both Image Magick AND GD (GD apparently being so much more awesome) | 04:48 |
| * bipolar wonders how his perl install got to be missing all this stuff | 04:48 | |
| @preaction | maybe you somehow upgraded to 5.8? or something? | 04:49 |
| @preaction | i don't know, i left debian because of their bass-ackwards release scheduling | 04:49 |
| bipolar | preaction: what do you use now? | 04:50 |
| @preaction | i'm leaving ubuntu because the stability is not nearly as nice as FreeBSD | 04:50 |
| @preaction | the lappy's got Mac OS X, the server is running FreeBSD, the desktop that doesn't do anything is running Ubuntu, and the media center has WinXP | 04:51 |
| bipolar | ah | 04:51 |
| @preaction | i do a lot of work on CentOS, which enhances my hatred of RPM distros | 04:52 |
| bipolar | haha | 04:52 |
| @preaction | it's JTs distro of choice, for some reason I cannot fathom | 04:52 |
| bipolar | yes... I long ago turned my back on rpm. | 04:52 |
| bipolar | I've never seen an RPM system that worked better then below average | 04:53 |
| @preaction | it's just an outdated system, great for its time, but nobody kept it relevant. now APT is a billion times better | 04:53 |
| bipolar | testEnviroment is done, everything is installed. I'm restarting apache2 | 04:55 |
| bipolar | preaction: that looks like it did it!@ | 04:56 |
| @preaction | word | 04:56 |
| bipolar | now if I could just figure out how to get rid of this index.pl mess | 04:57 |
| @preaction | huh? | 04:57 |
| bipolar | some pages still point to sitename/index.pl/pagename | 04:57 |
| bipolar | This site's been upgraded since 6.3, when index.pl was still used | 04:58 |
| @preaction | in the before time? in the long-long ago? | 04:58 |
| bipolar | heh | 05:00 |
| bipolar | hmm... now it looks like there is a layout stuck in pending | 05:02 |
| @preaction | is spectre running/ | 05:03 |
| bipolar | heh... of cource not.. thats why. ;) | 05:03 |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has left #webgui [] | 05:32 | |
| -!- bipolar [n=bflong@70.44.53.89] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 06:36 | |
| -!- bipolar [n=bflong@70.44.53.89] has joined #webgui | 06:36 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 06:41 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 06:41 | |
| -!- bipolar [n=bflong@70.44.53.89] has left #webgui ["Konversation terminated!"] | 08:41 | |
| -!- SDuensin_ [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI | 09:02 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 09:12 | |
| -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui | 10:20 | |
| -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 10:34 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 13:25 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 13:36 | |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui | 18:34 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ | 18:34 | |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 21:00 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ | 21:01 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 21:53 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ | 21:53 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [] | 22:10 | |
| --- Day changed Mon Mar 19 2007 | ||
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 00:43 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui | 01:32 | |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui | 02:22 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ | 02:23 | |
| @rizen | MrHairGrease...don't you think that there should be an exception to the rule about plain black employee's getting to enter into the acme contest | 02:40 |
| @rizen | especially since i wrote the cool and all powerful BASIC macro? | 02:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | sure it's cool and and all | 02:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | biut does it run linux? | 02:40 |
| @rizen | hells yes it runs on linux | 02:41 |
| @rizen | it's a pure perl interpreter | 02:41 |
| @rizen | it runs everywhere | 02:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | i didn't say 'on' | 02:41 |
| @rizen | oh | 02:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | you obviously don't read slashdot enough | 02:41 |
| @rizen | i suppose if you wrote linux in basic it would...but that would be very difficult since it doesn't give you any sort of device access | 02:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | which is a good thing i guess | 02:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | hell yeah | 02:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | it has peek and poke | 02:42 |
| @rizen | i still say that my basic macro is way better than both your excuse directory and your leetout | 02:42 |
| @rizen | in fact better than both of them combined | 02:42 |
| @rizen | therefore i should win the contest | 02:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | you go win the contest | 02:43 |
| Radix-wrk | Don't we get to vote on it this time? :) | 02:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll go for eternal fame | 02:43 |
| @rizen | we should do it like "win ben steins money" where we put up some cash, and you try to take it from us by beating our submissions | 02:44 |
| @rizen | if we win, we keep the cash | 02:44 |
| @rizen | if you win, you get it | 02:44 |
| @rizen | =) | 02:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | if your best submission involves 60's progframming languages | 02:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | how hard can it be? | 02:44 |
| @rizen | Radix-wrk...you believe that my basic macro is best, don't you? | 02:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 02:44 |
| @rizen | this is the ACME thing...it's whatever is most useless that wins | 02:45 |
| @rizen | how can you beat that | 02:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's bad | 02:45 |
| @rizen | your excuse file could actually be useless | 02:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | because you could use it in templates | 02:45 |
| @rizen | sorry useful | 02:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | to add logic to the presentation | 02:45 |
| @rizen | and the leetout is cool...so therefore can't be totally useless | 02:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | also | 02:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | mine soes not require the end user to do anything | 02:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | yours will tire them | 02:46 |
| @rizen | right, which makes yours even more useful | 02:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | debugging goto statements | 02:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 02:46 |
| @rizen | if it does all the work | 02:46 |
| @rizen | also...mine has no tie ins to any webgui variables...therefore you can't really use it for logic in templates | 02:46 |
| @rizen | it's completely useless | 02:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | a good acme has an infinite entertainment/effort ratio | 02:47 |
| @rizen | you can't accept any input from the user | 02:47 |
| @rizen | ok...there's nothing entertaining about mine, other than that it's funny to see a 30 year old language emedded in webgui | 02:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes but you can put tmpl_var inside a macro which in turn will generate javscript | 02:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | i never said i didn't like it | 02:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 02:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | Anyway | 02:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's bed time over here | 02:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | see you later | 02:49 |
| @rizen | the real reason i wrote it was that i figured it would give you something cool to talk about in your talk at the wuc | 02:49 |
| @rizen | good night | 02:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | i know | 02:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | you started it | 02:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 02:49 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] | 02:49 | |
| -!- Hinrik_ [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 03:26 | |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 03:38 | |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has joined #webgui | 04:25 | |
| PedersenMJ | g'd evening. | 04:26 |
| Radix-wrk | hey PedersenMJ | 04:39 |
| PedersenMJ | How goes it? | 04:39 |
| Radix-wrk | Good :) | 04:39 |
| Radix-wrk | I see you're winning in the polls so far.. tis good to see :) | 04:39 |
| PedersenMJ | Well, I hope it stays that way for me, I have to admit. | 04:40 |
| Radix-wrk | I'm coming second, third and tied for fourth atm.. hehe | 04:40 |
| PedersenMJ | Heh. Wonder if I could've taken 1st through 5th if I'd broken that one article up into smaller ones somehow ;) | 04:41 |
| Radix-wrk | Oh you won't have any competition - no way.. you'll win hands down | 04:41 |
| Radix-wrk | Well I'm glad you didn't :P | 04:41 |
| PedersenMJ | I hope I win. But I know better than to jinx things by thinking that I will win. | 04:42 |
| Radix-wrk | hehe | 04:42 |
| PedersenMJ | One of the most humiliating losses I can ever remember happened that way. Spelling bee. Given an easy word. Characteristic. Spelled it Charateristic. I try and remember that every time I think that winning is a guarantee. | 04:43 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui | 04:44 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 04:44 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 04:45 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ | 04:45 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [-o snapcount] by snapcount | 04:46 | |
| Radix-wrk | heh | 04:47 |
| +perlDreamer | when I reach 20K karma do I get to take over WebGUI? | 04:56 |
| PedersenMJ | Nah, that's when the boss-fight happens. At 20K karma, JT becomes Mega-JT, and you have to duke it out Mortal Kombat style. Except he's also got about 3000 special moves and combos you have to counter. | 04:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I only have 1 special move, but it's a killer | 05:00 |
| PedersenMJ | I'm going to regret asking this, and I know it. And yet, I find myself unable to *not* ask it. What's your special move, pD? | 05:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm a tuba player. 'nuff said ;) | 05:04 |
| +perlDreamer | PedersenMJ: how are you doing in the wiki ratings? | 05:10 |
| PedersenMJ | So far, doing well. | 05:11 |
| PedersenMJ | Hopefully, staying there. | 05:11 |
| +perlDreamer | looks like you're well ahead of the competition. | 05:11 |
| @rizen | please, PD, i've got you so beat as far as special moves go | 05:11 |
| +perlDreamer | everyone knows the game is designed so the underdog hero can win | 05:12 |
| @rizen | what makes you think you're the underdog hero and not the chump that is made an example of at the beginning so that everyone thinks the hero can't win | 05:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I've been doing this too long to be the chump at the beginning | 05:13 |
| @rizen | ok...maybe you're just another one in the bracket then along the way to the final match | 05:13 |
| @rizen | hehe | 05:14 |
| @rizen | but yeah, if you get 20k karma you can have webgui, and then i can go take a nap | 05:14 |
| @rizen | =) | 05:14 |
| +perlDreamer | give me a few more months and I'll be there | 05:14 |
| @rizen | why don't you spend your karma on something? or is it a status thing for you? | 05:14 |
| +perlDreamer | what can I spend it on? | 05:14 |
| +perlDreamer | If I want something, I code it. | 05:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I have given some away to some bug reports with patches | 05:15 |
| +perlDreamer | and I was going to give some away to GregHacke, but he never posted the bug solution | 05:15 |
| @rizen | you know you can't give karma to users that way, right? | 05:16 |
| @rizen | currently colin is in the lead karma-wise | 05:16 |
| @rizen | cuz i keep spending my karma | 05:17 |
| +perlDreamer | doesn't rating in the discussion board transfer karma to the user? | 05:17 |
| @rizen | i generally make about 2500 karma a month in posts and whatnot | 05:17 |
| @rizen | the rating transfers 1 from you to them | 05:17 |
| +perlDreamer | is that an RFE-able feature? | 05:18 |
| @rizen | http://rafb.net/p/LsYJhE69.html | 05:18 |
| @rizen | is what an rfeable feature? | 05:18 |
| @rizen | being able to give karma to another user? | 05:18 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 05:19 |
| @rizen | sure | 05:19 |
| +perlDreamer | any particulars of implementation that I should be wary of? | 05:20 |
| @rizen | why are you thinking of writing it? | 05:20 |
| @rizen | if not, then it doesn't matter | 05:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I wouldn't mind writing it | 05:21 |
| +perlDreamer | but there are lots of bugs to be fixed, still | 05:21 |
| @rizen | feel free to give it a go | 05:22 |
| @rizen | really shouldn't take more than an hour to write it | 05:22 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be good to write it without building a form that lists every user in the system. | 05:24 |
| @rizen | pd...have you installed my BASIC macro yet | 05:24 |
| @rizen | i know you want to | 05:24 |
| @rizen | it's the most useful macro EVER | 05:24 |
| @rizen | =) | 05:24 |
| +perlDreamer | If it's useful, you'll never win the contest | 05:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I should get off my butt and work on my entry. | 05:24 |
| @rizen | it's not useful, that's the point | 05:24 |
| @rizen | i was being sarcastic | 05:24 |
| @rizen | i'm totally going to win that contest, even though i'm ineligible | 05:25 |
| +perlDreamer | so far MHG has the only vaid entry? | 05:26 |
| @rizen | yup | 05:27 |
| @rizen | he's got no competition | 05:27 |
| @rizen | i figured people would rush in on this one | 05:27 |
| +perlDreamer | ACME is a tough category | 05:27 |
| @rizen | it's easy to do something silly | 05:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll tell you about my entry if you don't backdoor me | 05:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to write a new form control | 05:27 |
| +perlDreamer | For the CueCat | 05:27 |
| @rizen | well i won't..but someone else might | 05:27 |
| @rizen | what is CueCat? | 05:28 |
| @rizen | the barcode reader? | 05:28 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 05:28 |
| +perlDreamer | http://rafb.net/p/LsYJhE69.html | 05:28 |
| +perlDreamer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cue_cat | 05:28 |
| @rizen | do you have one? | 05:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I think so, tucked away in a dark corner | 05:29 |
| @rizen | i figured someone would come up with the most obvious acme macro ever | 05:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Although, it might actually be useful | 05:29 |
| @rizen | something that would display random pictures of their sister | 05:29 |
| @rizen | or whomever | 05:29 |
| Radix-wrk | heh | 05:29 |
| @rizen | it can't be something that would display just any random pics | 05:29 |
| @rizen | it has to be a predefined set of random pics | 05:29 |
| @rizen | that makes it truely useless | 05:30 |
| +perlDreamer | ^MySisterHasZits(); | 05:30 |
| @rizen | another thing i thought of was if someone made a generic set of toolbar icons | 05:30 |
| @rizen | no programming required | 05:30 |
| @rizen | just some new graphics that said the same thing as the current ones | 05:30 |
| Radix-wrk | Displays all pictures that get votes between 3.2 and 4.0 from hotornot.com | 05:30 |
| @rizen | only they're black and white | 05:30 |
| @rizen | hehe | 05:31 |
| @rizen | yeah..that's the ticket radix | 05:31 |
| @rizen | and don't make it adjustable | 05:31 |
| @rizen | just 3.2 to 4.09 | 05:31 |
| Radix-wrk | heh | 05:31 |
| @rizen | actually...some toolbar icons that are completely unintelligble would be cool too | 05:31 |
| Radix-wrk | I'm surprised there isn't an 8-ball macro already | 05:32 |
| +perlDreamer | Answer imminent | 05:32 |
| @rizen | another one i thought of was a set of icons to go in the fileIcons folder for programs that no longer exist | 05:32 |
| @rizen | like if you could get the icon for Lotus 1-2-3 | 05:32 |
| +perlDreamer | how about a set of OO icons to replace the standard Microsoft ones? | 05:33 |
| @rizen | that could be construed as useful though | 05:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm hopeless at being useless | 05:33 |
| @rizen | no..the cuecat is a good one | 05:34 |
| @rizen | nobody has one of those | 05:34 |
| PedersenMJ | Actually, I think I've got three of them. | 05:34 |
| @rizen | and the only way you could get one is to find it at ebay or something since the company is out of businesss | 05:34 |
| @rizen | that makes it perfectly | 05:34 |
| @rizen | uselss | 05:34 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, time to start hacking | 05:35 |
| +perlDreamer | see y'all tomorrow | 05:35 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."] | 05:35 | |
| @rizen | i should head out too...have a good night everyone | 05:35 |
| @rizen | and PedersenMJ, i expect you to start working on those icons immediately | 05:35 |
| @rizen | =) | 05:35 |
| @rizen | later | 05:36 |
| PedersenMJ | Heh. L8r JT :) | 05:36 |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [] | 05:41 | |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] | 05:48 | |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has quit [] | 06:06 | |
| Radix-wrk | hehe.. http://www.plainblack.com/user_contributions/user_contributions/acme/8-ball-macro | 06:37 |
| Radix-wrk | couldn't help myself ;) | 06:38 |
| @preaction | Radix-wrk: not to give you the inside track or anything, but what about a macro that calls: `fortune` on *nix-type systems? | 08:11 |
| Radix-wrk | Yeah, I thought about that.. as I remember you suggesting it.. but then I realised that JT's ^RandomSisterPic(); macro key is obviously the winning ticket.. | 08:19 |
| Radix-wrk | the thing is.. the fortune one.. would be useful! | 08:19 |
| @preaction | lol | 08:20 |
| @preaction | could be, if you programmed it right | 08:20 |
| @preaction | ACME is meant to be (imho) a quirky display of features | 08:20 |
| Radix-wrk | Yeah, well so was 8-ball - until I hard coded the question.. | 08:20 |
| Radix-wrk | Wouldn't want anyone to get anything useful out of it :) | 08:20 |
| @preaction | you can get useful things out of it, it just can't be useful on it's own | 08:21 |
| @preaction | (again, imho) | 08:21 |
| Radix-wrk | hehe | 08:21 |
| @preaction | implement a macro using Acme::Bleach | 08:21 |
| @preaction | implement something extra-useful using Acme::Bleach rofl | 08:21 |
| Radix-wrk | http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=470390 | 08:22 |
| @preaction | get the Abe Vigoda death thingy in a macro | 08:22 |
| Radix-wrk | I really liked this one actually.. but didn't know how to rewrite it to work in webgui | 08:22 |
| @preaction | lol | 08:22 |
| Radix-wrk | obfuscated! | 08:22 |
| @preaction | you could trap the print statement by opening a scalar as a filehandle | 08:23 |
| Radix-wrk | See my perl knowledge is very very limited.. so I wouldn't know how to do that | 08:23 |
| Radix-wrk | I tried assigning the sprintf output to a variable, but that broke the code somehow | 08:24 |
| Radix-wrk | and it wanted an extra } after that | 08:24 |
| @preaction | my $buffer; open my $fh, "<", \$buffer or die "Couldn't open scalar as filehandle: $@"; | 08:24 |
| @preaction | then you select $fh; | 08:24 |
| @preaction | then after the print, you close $fh; and then $buffer will contain what you want | 08:24 |
| @preaction | perlbot -f open | 08:24 |
| Radix-wrk | hehe | 08:24 |
| perlbot | Documentation for 'open' can be found here: http://xrl.us/vdwo | 08:24 |
| Radix-wrk | it's okay.. the code I gave was simple enough :) | 08:25 |
| @preaction | http://www.abevigoda.com/ffb.php <- macro to scrape this site | 08:26 |
| @preaction | or a random chuck norris quote! | 08:27 |
| @preaction | er.. "fact" | 08:27 |
| Radix-wrk | hehe | 08:27 |
| @preaction | omg: RANDOM FARK HEADLINE | 08:27 |
| @preaction | i mean, it's possible with an Syndication Wobject maybe | 08:28 |
| @preaction | god damnit i should be in bed | 08:28 |
| Radix-wrk | yes, I think you should be.. you're going a little crazy with suggestions :) | 08:28 |
| @preaction | i haven't been able to work on anything "WebGUI"-core related in a long time | 08:29 |
| @preaction | makes me antsy in the pantsy | 08:29 |
| Radix-wrk | acme bleach looks funny | 08:29 |
| Radix-wrk | no idea how you would use it tho | 08:29 |
| Radix-wrk | http://www.cloudfactory.org/~barbara/LJ%20photos/moonwalk.jpg | 08:30 |
| @preaction | i forget. something like the first time you run a script made with "use Acme::Bleach", it replaces your source with the bleached version of your source | 08:31 |
| @preaction | meaning: no bugfixen | 08:31 |
| @preaction | rofl | 08:31 |
| Radix-wrk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nRNYG_xM2U | 08:33 |
| Radix-wrk | Tickle Me Emo | 08:33 |
| @preaction | rofl oh god. depress-a-me street | 08:34 |
| Radix-wrk | "i hurt myself to feel" | 08:34 |
| @preaction | good lord god | 08:35 |
| * preaction hates emos | 08:35 | |
| Radix-wrk | hehe | 08:35 |
| Radix-wrk | I'm sure they hate you right back! | 08:35 |
| @preaction | i could seriously go off on about a three-hour rant about emos | 08:35 |
| @preaction | but see, they care that i hate them, i don't care that they hate me | 08:35 |
| Radix-wrk | please dont | 08:35 |
| * preaction shuts up | 08:35 | |
| Radix-wrk | hehe | 08:36 |
| Radix-wrk | go to bed :) | 08:36 |
| @preaction | rofl and the emos go to the comments | 08:36 |
| * preaction & sleep | 08:36 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] | 09:04 | |
| -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui | 11:07 | |
| AMH_mari | Hello all | 11:38 |
| AMH_mari | Done the upgrade to WebGUI 7.3.12 last friday and ran into a bit of a problem. | 11:39 |
| AMH_mari | lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm now does things to dots in URLs; diff to 7.3.11. excerpt: | 11:40 |
| AMH_mari | 415,421d407 | 11:40 |
| AMH_mari | < | 11:40 |
| AMH_mari | < # remove multiple extensions from the url if there are some | 11:40 |
| AMH_mari | < while ($url =~ m{^(.*)\.\w+(/.*)$}) { | 11:40 |
| AMH_mari | < $url =~ s{^(.*)\.\w+(/.*)$}{$1$2}ig; | 11:40 |
| AMH_mari | < } | 11:40 |
| AMH_mari | An URL like e.g. knktemplatestest2/002.000.011/images/brown/header_bottom_left.gif gets corrupted when addChild() is called with this URL in properties{'url'} | 11:43 |
| AMH_mari | I will change all my URLS so that dot is replaced with e.g. _, but I am a bit surprised with the decision to have WebGUI change URLs like this; is there a specific reason for wanting this? | 11:45 |
| AMH_mari | BTW: my apologies if I'm disturbing anyone's sleep; I'm in timezone GMT+1 | 11:47 |
| Radix__ | hi mari - I suspect it's for the different template libraries, but I'm no expert I'm afraid | 11:47 |
| Radix__ | template toolkit uses .'s in it's templates I believe | 11:48 |
| Radix__ | your best bet is to stick around (and idle for a while) until preaction (wakes up), or perldreamer or rizen logs in | 11:48 |
| AMH_mari | Thanks, Radix__, willdo | 11:51 |
| -!- wgGuest07 [n=wgGuest0@201.11.22.50] has joined #webgui | 15:06 | |
| -!- wgGuest07 [n=wgGuest0@201.11.22.50] has quit [Client Quit] | 15:06 | |
| -!- ckotil [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has joined #webgui | 15:44 | |
| ckotil | I think i found a bug with how pending version tags are handled. THey show up as having an error, until the version tag is approved. | 15:48 |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 16:02 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ | 16:02 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 16:35 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ | 16:35 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] | 16:36 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 16:38 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ | 16:38 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] | 16:40 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has joined #webgui | 17:03 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 17:03 | |
| AMH_mari | Hi all, | 17:15 |
| AMH_mari | Done the upgrade to WebGUI 7.3.12 last friday and ran into a bit of a problem. | 17:15 |
| AMH_mari | lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm now does things to dots in URLs; diff to 7.3.11. excerpt: | 17:15 |
| AMH_mari | 415,421d407 | 17:15 |
| AMH_mari | < | 17:15 |
| AMH_mari | < # remove multiple extensions from the url if there are some | 17:15 |
| AMH_mari | < while ($url =~ m{^(.*)\.\w+(/.*)$}) { | 17:15 |
| AMH_mari | < $url =~ s{^(.*)\.\w+(/.*)$}{$1$2}ig; | 17:15 |
| AMH_mari | < } | 17:15 |
| AMH_mari | An URL like e.g. knktemplatestest2/002.000.011/images/brown/header_bottom_left.gif gets corrupted when addChild() is called with this URL in properties{'url'} | 17:15 |
| AMH_mari | I will change all my URLS so that dot is replaced with e.g. _, but I am a bit surprised with the decision to have WebGUI change URLs like this; is there a specific reason for wanting this? | 17:15 |
| @rizen | Ye | 17:16 |
| @rizen | Yes | 17:16 |
| @rizen | it was changed like that so not to break exports | 17:16 |
| @rizen | several of our customers use WebGUI to publish content | 17:16 |
| @rizen | to static sources | 17:17 |
| @rizen | so they use the static page export | 17:17 |
| @rizen | what they wanted was to make sure that file extensions were removed from URLs as they are created | 17:17 |
| @rizen | so if you had a page called home.html | 17:17 |
| @rizen | and added a sub page, it used to be home.html/subpage.html | 17:17 |
| @rizen | and now it will be home/subpage.html | 17:17 |
| @rizen | because you couldn't have both a file and a directory called "home.html" | 17:18 |
| @rizen | nor does it make sense | 17:18 |
| @rizen | the URL makes much more sense without the extension | 17:18 |
| @preaction | fyi: the export feature should actually work with home.html/subpage.html now, but i still agree with leaving the ".html" when automatically generating URLs, and rewriting to _ in folders | 17:19 |
| @preaction | *leaving out | 17:19 |
| @rizen | it did, but there was another change added | 17:20 |
| @rizen | where some files can be exported as files instead of folders | 17:20 |
| @rizen | so in those cases it didn't work | 17:20 |
| @preaction | ah | 17:20 |
| AMH_mari | Hello rizen, thanks for your answer. There are good reasons for the change, I understand from the above, so I'll avoid having dots in my URLs. | 17:21 |
| AMH_mari | No problem | 17:21 |
| ckotil | http://snare.grnoc.iu.edu/stuff/pwned.jpg snapped this in utah | 17:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Real friends don't let friends use case insensitive file systems | 17:38 |
| ckotil | hey pd, im seeing a bunch of errors in my webgui.log as soon as a version tag becomes pending, waiting for approval | 17:43 |
| ckotil | it seems to me that when there is a pending version tag, the workflow doesnt execute , and it shows up in the log as an error. | 17:46 |
| ckotil | OR, something is screwed up on my install | 17:46 |
| +perlDreamer | what kind of errors? | 17:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I haven't played with that workflow yet | 17:53 |
| ckotil | POE::Kernel::_Dispatch_event errors | 17:53 |
| +perlDreamer | pastification? | 17:53 |
| ckotil | and CRON , so im guessing thats scheduled events | 17:53 |
| ckotil | im not sure what that is, pastification | 17:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Could you paste some of the errors into a file on one of the IRC-used paste sites | 17:55 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: paste? | 17:55 |
| perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. | 17:55 |
| +perlDreamer | pastebin.ca is another good site | 17:55 |
| ckotil | k | 17:58 |
| ckotil | http://erxz.com/pb/1829 | 18:02 |
| +perlDreamer | there are three workflow IDs in there with communications problems. We need to figure out what they are. | 18:04 |
| ckotil | pbcron is send queued email. | 18:05 |
| ckotil | the workflow id' | 18:06 |
| ckotil | s ive bene trying to track down, but have been unsuccessful | 18:06 |
| ckotil | QqTBeY... is in workflowInstance table | 18:06 |
| ckotil | but the other 2 i have no idea where they could be | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd post a bug about it. | 18:11 |
| ckotil | kthx. | 18:11 |
| -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] | 18:15 | |
| -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has joined #webgui | 18:17 | |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: DateTime::Set is going to be a very heavy solution for the calendar. | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | To build the sets, it makes multiple objects and then iterates over them | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | so if we wanted to get the day view for a calendar that had an weekly event for the next year, it would build a set of 52 objects | 18:41 |
| @rizen | ok....but how much memory is that, and how long does it take to create an object | 18:45 |
| @rizen | if each object is only 1k and it takes 0.0003 seconds to create each object, then in the greater scheme of things it's not that big of a deal | 18:45 |
| @rizen | statistics without relativity are useless | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I have no idea, I only know that object creation in perl is a very slow operation | 18:53 |
| -!- MrHairgreas1 [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui | 19:08 | |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has left #webgui [] | 20:46 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] | 20:51 | |
| -!- ckotil [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has quit ["Lost terminal"] | 21:52 | |
| -!- ckotil [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has joined #webgui | 21:55 | |
| -!- MrHairgreas1 [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] | 22:22 | |
| -!- MrHairgreas1 [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui | 22:22 | |
| -!- khenn [n=fdillon@66-190-54-175.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #WEbGUI | 22:31 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o khenn] by ChanServ | 22:31 | |
| @khenn | MrHairgreas: are you arond? | 22:32 |
| @khenn | around? | 22:32 |
| MrHairgreas1 | yes | 22:33 |
| -!- MrHairgreas1 is now known as MrHairgrease | 22:33 | |
| @khenn | question about SQL Form | 22:33 |
| @khenn | can you use a group field? | 22:33 |
| @khenn | do choose from a list of groups in WebGUI? | 22:33 |
| @khenn | I'm guessing not | 22:34 |
| MrHairgrease | to do what? | 22:34 |
| MrHairgrease | oh | 22:34 |
| MrHairgrease | I dunno | 22:34 |
| MrHairgrease | In priciple it should work | 22:34 |
| MrHairgrease | but you cannot use it to do privs | 22:34 |
| @khenn | meaning what? | 22:34 |
| MrHairgrease | You cannot do anything group related with those fields | 22:35 |
| MrHairgrease | just store groupId's | 22:35 |
| @khenn | right | 22:35 |
| @khenn | that's what I need to do | 22:35 |
| MrHairgrease | storing? | 22:36 |
| -!- wgGuest96 [n=wgGuest9@207.66.131.242] has joined #webgui | 22:48 | |
| -!- wgGuest96 is now known as isaacfinnegan | 22:49 | |
| isaacfinnegan | can I ask a Plainblack corp. question? | 22:49 |
| --- Log closed Mon Mar 19 22:51:53 2007 | ||
| --- Log opened Thu Mar 22 17:22:23 2007 | ||
| -!- xdanger [i=xdanger@217.112.244.70] has joined #webgui | 17:22 | |
| -!- Irssi: #webgui: Total of 13 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 1 voices, 11 normal] | 17:22 | |
| -!- Irssi: Join to #webgui was synced in 3 secs | 17:22 | |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 17:48 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ | 17:48 | |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [] | 17:49 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has joined #webgui | 17:55 | |
| -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] | 18:09 | |
| -!- AMH_bob [n=chatzill@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 18:11 | |
| -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui | 18:35 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ | 18:36 | |
| -!- cap10morgan_ [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-1.adsl.indra.com] has joined #webgui | 18:44 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 19:03 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has joined #webgui | 19:32 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 19:32 | |
| +perlDreamer | no more IRC logging going on? | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: you're going to love this one | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/calendar---events-that-span-over-two-months-do-not-appear-in-the-month-view.--patch-is-attached#xoczlYTgnt1v5gGqSqVyGg | 19:35 |
| * SDuensin logs the planet. | 19:36 | |
| +perlDreamer | It's a simple, elegant patch for the display logic problem in the calendar | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | no set logic, just start and end date overrides | 19:36 |
| @preaction | looks good to me | 19:37 |
| +perlDreamer | me, too | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I feel like an idiot for not thinking about it myself | 19:38 |
| * SDuensin may actually have an ACME entry soon. | 19:38 | |
| @preaction | i'm seriously considering trying to remove that functionality entirely, the showing events that span multiple days on each day | 19:38 |
| @preaction | i hates it | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | force everyone to use recurrence? | 19:38 |
| @preaction | or, at least, make it an option to turn off | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | options make programming worse | 19:39 |
| @preaction | right, now i remember, easier to make a viewList sub instead | 19:39 |
| @preaction | the other views will get spans as well, i remember JT saying he wanted to see bars in the day view, like most calendar apps, showing the length of time an event spans that day | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | making recurrence mandatory would cause more events to be in the db, so it would be a little slower, but not much | 19:40 |
| @preaction | but they aren't really recurring events, they're events that span more than one "day", "hour", or etc... | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | well, this patch should work well in any view. And the list view isn't changed by this. | 19:41 |
| @preaction | also, after we convert to using DateTime::Event::iCal, it Might actually be feasible to not store every recurrance of a recurring event in the database | 19:41 |
| @preaction | which could simplify a lot of things | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a different set of bugs | 19:42 |
| @preaction | true enough | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | just be thankful that this is software and not hardware | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | hardware bugs suck | 19:42 |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has joined #webgui | 20:06 | |
| -!- cap10morgan_ [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-1.adsl.indra.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 20:25 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has quit [] | 21:03 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has joined #webgui | 21:04 | |
| @rizen | ckotil...what version of webgui are you running on that box? | 21:08 |
| @rizen | 7.3.12? | 21:08 |
| @rizen | nevermind...posting to forums | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.1.13 | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I worked with him yesterday on this | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | it's like his apache is using a different perl from his command line | 21:12 |
| ckotil | 7.3.13 | 21:17 |
| ckotil | im pretty certain apache is using the right version of perl | 21:18 |
| -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit ["Leaving."] | 21:25 | |
| SDuensin | Hey rizen. | 21:26 |
| -!- perlmonkey2 [n=kmurphy@ip70-189-104-178.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui | 21:47 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@246.sub-75-205-74.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 22:28 | |
| ckotil | heading home | 22:46 |
| cap10morgan | what are some common things to check on when spectre reports "Response for (assetId) had a communications error."? | 23:37 |
| cap10morgan | this is on a custom workflow i wrote, so i'm debugging my own code | 23:38 |
| @rizen | turn on info in your log | 23:38 |
| @rizen | INFO | 23:38 |
| @rizen | and then restart everything and run it again | 23:39 |
| cap10morgan | ok, will do | 23:39 |
| @rizen | then monitor the log and it will give you details as to what's happening | 23:39 |
| cap10morgan | great | 23:39 |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has joined #webgui | 23:50 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ | 23:50 | |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: can you please give TjECC about a bazillion karma for finding an easy solution to the calendar display problem? | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: what's the DateTime magic invocation for finding the last day of a month? | 23:58 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: it's in that patch iirc, DateTime->last_day_of_month() or something | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks | 23:59 |
| --- Day changed Fri Mar 23 2007 | ||
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 00:11 | |
| +perlDreamer | closed two calendar bugs | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | catch y'all later | 00:37 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] | 00:37 | |
| @preaction | rizen: mind if i add the ability to see a userDefined field in the Post edit template as a hidden form element? it's necessary for the alumni project | 01:23 |
| @rizen | you can already do that | 01:24 |
| @rizen | with a custom template | 01:24 |
| @preaction | how? | 01:25 |
| @rizen | <input type="hidden" name="userDefined1" value="<tmpl_var userDefined1.value escape=html>" /> | 01:25 |
| @preaction | should that be in Post.pm? | 01:26 |
| @rizen | why would that be in post.pm | 01:27 |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has quit [] | 01:27 | |
| @rizen | you're editing a post right? | 01:27 |
| @rizen | and you want to have the value of userDefined1 or whatever in a hidden field? | 01:28 |
| @preaction | or the value of it | 01:28 |
| @preaction | that would work | 01:28 |
| @rizen | what i just gave you will do that, you just put it into your template | 01:28 |
| @rizen | the post form template | 01:28 |
| @preaction | but i'm not seeing, in Post.pm, anywhere where that variable is set | 01:28 |
| @preaction | 1153-1179 is where the userDefined field vars are made for the edit form | 01:29 |
| @rizen | sorry..you're right, it's not userDefined1.value | 01:30 |
| @rizen | it's just userDefined1 | 01:30 |
| @rizen | and userDefined2 | 01:30 |
| @rizen | etc | 01:30 |
| @rizen | the processTemplate() method autoadds all the properties of an asset to the template | 01:30 |
| @rizen | <input type="hidden" name="userDefined1" value="<tmpl_var userDefined1 escape=html>" /> | 01:31 |
| @rizen | so that's what you want | 01:31 |
| @preaction | k | 01:31 |
| @preaction | will that survive a preview? | 01:32 |
| @rizen | no | 01:33 |
| @rizen | well...i don't think so | 01:33 |
| @rizen | i don't know for sure | 01:33 |
| @rizen | the answer is no | 01:34 |
| @rizen | definitely not | 01:34 |
| @preaction | so that won't work, they like the preview function | 01:36 |
| @rizen | on line 1155 add | 01:37 |
| @rizen | $var{'userDefined'.$x} = $userDefined; | 01:37 |
| @preaction | k | 01:37 |
| @rizen | then it will survive preview | 01:38 |
| @rizen | and you can commit that to svn | 01:38 |
| @preaction | k | 01:38 |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui | 01:46 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI | 02:07 | |
| -!- perlmonkey2 [n=kmurphy@ip70-189-104-178.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] | 02:49 | |
| @rizen | SDuensin you were asking for me before and i wasn't around | 02:51 |
| @rizen | what's up | 02:51 |
| SDuensin | rizen ! | 02:58 |
| SDuensin | Just was saying "hi". | 02:58 |
| SDuensin | Been working on an ACME entry. | 02:59 |
| @rizen | is it going to rule | 02:59 |
| @rizen | ?? | 02:59 |
| @rizen | it's going to have to rule in order to beat martin's new entry | 02:59 |
| Radix-wrk | and mine! :) | 03:00 |
| * Radix-wrk snickers softly. | 03:00 | |
| SDuensin | It's... bizarre. | 03:00 |
| @rizen | radix, you don't count | 03:01 |
| Radix-wrk | Aww | 03:01 |
| @rizen | you're not an american...we need someone to represent over here | 03:01 |
| Radix-wrk | lol | 03:01 |
| Radix-wrk | I can do an american accent.. that help? | 03:01 |
| @rizen | i suppose | 03:01 |
| @rizen | if it's any consolation, i'll be rooting for you over martin | 03:02 |
| Radix-wrk | hehe | 03:02 |
| @rizen | just because i don't want his ego to get any bigger | 03:02 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 03:02 |
| Radix-wrk | his hair might get even higher if he does! | 03:02 |
| @rizen | exactly | 03:02 |
| Radix-wrk | think of the poor gell | 03:02 |
| Radix-wrk | sorry.. hair grease | 03:03 |
| @rizen | and he can barely get through the door now | 03:03 |
| @rizen | i mean, we only have 7 foot doors and 8 foot ceilings in the united states | 03:03 |
| @rizen | =) | 03:03 |
| * SDuensin is starting to be concerned by the competition. | 03:03 | |
| Radix-wrk | lol | 03:03 |
| @preaction | if they go insane, you'll be a shoo-in! | 03:03 |
| @preaction | nerp! bagackle! spoo! | 03:04 |
| * SDuensin wants extra points for not knowing Perl! | 03:08 | |
| Radix-wrk | You ain't the only one :) | 03:09 |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-122.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui | 03:50 | |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] | 04:20 | |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 04:26 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ | 04:26 | |
| -!- rizen2 [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 04:32 | |
| -!- rizen2 [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Client Quit] | 04:32 | |
| -!- rizen2 [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 04:33 | |
| -!- rizen2 [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Client Quit] | 04:33 | |
| -!- rizen3 [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 04:33 | |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] | 04:33 | |
| -!- rizen3 is now known as rizen | 04:34 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ | 04:34 | |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Client Quit] | 04:35 | |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 04:35 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ | 04:35 | |
| @preaction | rizen: you still awake/aware/alive? | 05:58 |
| @rizen | never | 05:58 |
| @preaction | damnit | 05:58 |
| @rizen | the good news is that even while asleep/unconcsious/dead i can do more than your average ass clown | 05:59 |
| @rizen | =) | 05:59 |
| @preaction | i'm trying to subclass the collaboration system, i was wondering if i can do a little refactoring? i need to filter Posts by a session scratch variable, where userDefined1 is a JSON array (meaning a custom SQL query to get what Threads I need to display) | 06:00 |
| @preaction | i see what i need to do, i just think it'd be easier in the long run if i refactor the CS a bit | 06:00 |
| @rizen | you can't subsclass the CS...it's not possible | 06:00 |
| @preaction | otherwise i copy/paste and just change what i need | 06:00 |
| @rizen | because the various assets that make up the CS, reference each other by name, and by table name | 06:00 |
| @preaction | table name will stay the same, for all intents and purposes it will be possible to call this a Collaboration system | 06:01 |
| @preaction | except when view() | 06:01 |
| @rizen | if you know of a way to make it subclassable...that would be amazing, cuz i've been trying to figure out how to do it for over a year | 06:01 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui | 06:01 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 06:01 | |
| @preaction | i'm going to push anyway, because any other solution i can think of (and frank can think of) for doing what needs doing is either impossible or very very very ugly | 06:02 |
| @rizen | push? | 06:02 |
| +perlDreamer | Radix-wrk: is the logging on mentalhouse.net down? | 06:03 |
| @preaction | push, just keep going and damn the torpedoes | 06:03 |
| @preaction | make it work at any cost | 06:03 |
| @rizen | i wish you luck | 06:03 |
| @preaction | i might need it | 06:03 |
| @preaction | are we using an SQL query in the CS for performance? or because getLineage won't work? | 06:03 |
| @rizen | i don't know | 06:04 |
| @rizen | which query | 06:04 |
| @preaction | the one in view() that gets the threadIds we need | 06:04 |
| @rizen | incidentally Post.pm specifically refers to Collaboration.pm by name 3 or 4 times | 06:04 |
| @preaction | crap | 06:04 |
| @rizen | and that's why it's not subclassable | 06:04 |
| @preaction | this might be more fun than first anticipated | 06:04 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: if you give me a summary of all the new Post variables, I'll document them for you. | 06:05 |
| @rizen | i think we're using the SQL statement as a holdover from pre asset days | 06:05 |
| @rizen | feel free to refactor that into getLineage() | 06:05 |
| +perlDreamer | getLineage rocks | 06:06 |
| @preaction | i see it, and i can change those lines in Post.pm to do proper inheritence processing | 06:06 |
| @preaction | getParent->isa("WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Collaboration") | 06:06 |
| @rizen | Thread also refers to collaboration | 06:06 |
| @rizen | and ::Post | 06:07 |
| @preaction | just the once, and it'll only be the collab that needs subclassing, and that once can also be changed to proper inheritence processing | 06:07 |
| -!- khenn [n=fdillon@66-190-54-175.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #WebGUI | 06:07 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o khenn] by ChanServ | 06:07 | |
| @khenn | evenin | 06:07 |
| +perlDreamer | hey | 06:07 |
| @preaction | from what i'm seeing, it's feasible | 06:07 |
| @preaction | provided, of course, i add no medium-to-large number of clock cycles to the processing time | 06:08 |
| @preaction | i might have to leave the SQL statement as-is for that, i think the paginator does things more efficiently than a getLineage call would (and/or the 7.4 changes to the paginator will speed up efficiency, something that getLineage wouldn't do w/o a hack to the collab system) | 06:09 |
| @rizen | oh right | 06:10 |
| @rizen | that's why we're using the sql query | 06:11 |
| @rizen | because of pagination | 06:11 |
| @preaction | for now, it might be best to create a getThreadsPaginator() method in the CS, and then change those things in the Thread/Post assets to do inheritance checking | 06:11 |
| @rizen | i forgot | 06:11 |
| @khenn | pagination is going to get faster in 7.4 | 06:11 |
| @preaction | which means it'll be best to keep using it | 06:12 |
| @preaction | getLineage should never support pagination (imho) | 06:12 |
| +perlDreamer | why not? | 06:12 |
| @preaction | okay, it could | 06:12 |
| @preaction | a "skip" param would work, or "start" or whatever, combined with the "limit" param | 06:12 |
| +perlDreamer | the encapsulation it provides is worth added complexity in the API | 06:13 |
| @preaction | true enough | 06:13 |
| @preaction | would also simplify the CS, at minor expense | 06:13 |
| @preaction | but that'd have to wait | 06:14 |
| +perlDreamer | what are you going to do to the paginator to speed it up? | 06:15 |
| @preaction | the paginator is going to parse the SQL and add a limit clause in the appropriate place | 06:17 |
| @preaction | meaning it'll only process "start + length" rows, instead of getting them all and then returning the right ones | 06:17 |
| @preaction | so if you have 8000 threads, and only want the first 20, it'll only go through 20 rows | 06:18 |
| +perlDreamer | sweet | 06:18 |
| +perlDreamer | getLineage would benefit from that as well | 06:18 |
| Radix-wrk | perlDreamer, I don't belong to a mentalhouse, xdanger does. | 06:20 |
| Radix-wrk | ;) | 06:20 |
| @preaction | it has "limit" now, in addition to lineageLength and lineageDepth (or whatevz) | 06:20 |
| @preaction | but doesn't have any way to specify the start point | 06:20 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 06:20 |
| +perlDreamer | you know I'm a SQL newbie, but what about cursors? | 06:21 |
| @preaction | cursors? | 06:21 |
| +perlDreamer | as I understand it, a cursor is like a smart point that remembers where it was between reads | 06:22 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe you'd need a persistent DBI connection to make it work | 06:22 |
| @preaction | looks like for mysql you need a stored procedure | 06:22 |
| @rizen | cursors aren't very useful in a web environment | 06:23 |
| @rizen | they are hella useful in sql programming | 06:23 |
| @rizen | like stored procedures | 06:23 |
| @rizen | but in a web environement | 06:23 |
| @rizen | you have no idea if you're going to get the same DBI connection from request to request | 06:24 |
| @rizen | so you can't really make use of a cursor | 06:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I see | 06:24 |
| +perlDreamer | you'd have to pool connections and return the same one to each session to make it work | 06:24 |
| @rizen | yeah, and that still doesn't help you | 06:24 |
| @rizen | unless you could only use the dbi connection for that one session | 06:24 |
| @rizen | if the dbi connection could be used for other sessions as well | 06:25 |
| @rizen | then they could theoretically move the cursor | 06:25 |
| +perlDreamer | you know, it's good that I mainly do docs and tests ;) | 06:25 |
| +perlDreamer | and bug fixes | 06:25 |
| @rizen | since pb.com let's you keep the same session for up to 2 weeks | 06:25 |
| @rizen | we have about 25000 open sessions at any given time | 06:25 |
| @rizen | don't know if mysql can even handle that many open connections | 06:26 |
| @rizen | but we have the max set at 1000 in the wre anyway | 06:26 |
| @rizen | =) | 06:26 |
| @rizen | pd, i disagree | 06:27 |
| @rizen | i think you'd be an excellent core dev | 06:27 |
| @rizen | if you ever wanted to tackle it | 06:27 |
| @rizen | khenn on the otherhand doesn't like core dev at all...much prefers to write plugins for webgui | 06:27 |
| +perlDreamer | he's just been out of it for a while | 06:28 |
| @rizen | nope...he really doesn't like it | 06:28 |
| @rizen | he likes the instant gratification of building apps with user interfaces | 06:28 |
| @rizen | rather than system level stuff | 06:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought he was into software architecture and stuff like that | 06:28 |
| @rizen | he is | 06:29 |
| @rizen | but focuses on user-centric software design | 06:29 |
| @rizen | integration and systems level stuff aren't as fun for him | 06:29 |
| @rizen | or that's what he tells me | 06:30 |
| @rizen | khenn could probably explain it better than i am | 06:30 |
| Radix-wrk | how many users on pb.com? | 06:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll try to chat him up tomorrow | 06:31 |
| @preaction | pd: i'm with rizen, you've been helpful designing APIs | 06:31 |
| @preaction | the calendar work you've done, the WebGUI::DateTime, for examples | 06:31 |
| @rizen | holy crap, i was way off on session count | 06:32 |
| @rizen | it's more like 250,000 | 06:33 |
| Radix-wrk | whoah | 06:33 |
| @rizen | current session count: 274499 | 06:33 |
| @rizen | current user count: 7932 | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | gotta crash guys. Tomorrow I have to debug someone else's chip. | 06:35 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit [""""] | 06:35 | |
| @preaction | that almost sounds fun | 06:35 |
| @preaction | electrical engineering | 06:35 |
| Radix-wrk | Active Sessions:537 | 06:42 |
| Radix-wrk | Users:4928 | 06:42 |
| @rizen | where's that? | 06:42 |
| @rizen | on your site? | 06:42 |
| @rizen | at work | 06:42 |
| @rizen | you probably have a short timeout on your site also, right? | 06:42 |
| Radix-wrk | yeah, work | 06:46 |
| Radix-wrk | 24 hr timeout | 06:46 |
| @rizen | oh wow..that's longer than i would have guessed | 06:46 |
| Radix-wrk | Oh no.. 8 hours | 06:47 |
| @rizen | most of our clients that use it for an intranet have it set to between 1 and 4 | 06:47 |
| @rizen | sorry 1 and 8 | 06:47 |
| Radix-wrk | Just seems like 24 because that's my working day :) | 06:47 |
| @rizen | yeah | 06:47 |
| Radix-wrk | What I'm confused about is "Groups:681" | 06:48 |
| @preaction | collab systems create subscription groups, so do threads iirc | 06:49 |
| @rizen | yup | 06:49 |
| Radix-wrk | Ahh k | 06:49 |
| Radix-wrk | that'd blow it out quite a lot then and explain it | 06:50 |
| Radix-wrk | Assets:4653 is pretty scary too :) | 06:50 |
| @rizen | pb assets: 45367 | 06:51 |
| Radix-wrk | yikes :) | 06:51 |
| @rizen | we have clients that blow that out of the water | 06:51 |
| Radix-wrk | What's the largest site you've dealt with? # users/assets/etc? | 06:51 |
| @rizen | in fact, we have one client that has more than 100,000 users and groups...and they have no collaboration systems on their site | 06:51 |
| @rizen | the largest number of assets in a single site, i think is just over 200k | 06:52 |
| @rizen | something interesting to check out is your asset/revision ratio | 06:53 |
| Radix-wrk | how do you calc that? | 06:53 |
| @rizen | pb: 1.5427 | 06:54 |
| @rizen | select count from assetData, and divide that with count from asset | 06:54 |
| @rizen | i've seen some that have a ratio > 4 | 06:55 |
| @rizen | i think that's just crazy | 06:55 |
| @rizen | you want your ratio to be less than 2 in order to be running an efficient site | 06:56 |
| @rizen | the closer to 1 it is the better | 06:56 |
| Radix-wrk | 3.97 | 06:58 |
| @rizen | omg | 06:58 |
| @rizen | that means you have edit crazy users | 06:58 |
| Radix-wrk | yep | 06:58 |
| Radix-wrk | We have everyone in the company editing pages | 06:59 |
| @rizen | they edit, decide that they should have done something else, then make a mistake, then change their minds, etc | 06:59 |
| Radix-wrk | always changing faq's, adding new articles, tweaking things | 06:59 |
| @preaction | would it actually Be more efficient to remove ancient revisions? | 06:59 |
| Radix-wrk | we also have a lot of constantly changing data.. ie. version numbers, links to latest downloads, etc.. | 07:00 |
| @rizen | preaction: yes | 07:00 |
| @rizen | and there is a workflow activity that does that | 07:00 |
| @preaction | that's where i was going | 07:01 |
| @rizen | i forget what the default setting is on that | 07:01 |
| Radix-wrk | delete asset revisions older than a year from the database | 07:01 |
| @rizen | yeah | 07:02 |
| @rizen | we set that lower on plainblack.com | 07:02 |
| @rizen | 90 days | 07:02 |
| @rizen | oh i guess we don't | 07:03 |
| Radix-wrk | I just changed ours to 6 months, but would need to check with management if I set it lower :) | 07:03 |
| @rizen | i thought we changed that...but i was wrong | 07:03 |
| -!- khenn [n=fdillon@66-190-54-175.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] | 07:14 | |
| @preaction | rizen: can i add the changes that make the CS subclassable to core? | 07:17 |
| @preaction | inheritable? | 07:17 |
| @preaction | whatever the term | 07:17 |
| @rizen | provided you've thoroughly tested them so that i don't get a single new bug report due to your changes | 07:19 |
| @preaction | so tomorrow after I write some tests | 07:19 |
| @rizen | if you can't guarantee me that, then it needs to wait for 7.4 | 07:19 |
| @preaction | tomorrow i'll have a guarantee | 07:20 |
| @preaction | is there a known bug with the CS? replies getting mysteriously duplicated? | 08:48 |
| @rizen | nope | 08:48 |
| @preaction | i've put a stacktrace, and it looks like i'm making posts that get submitted more than once | 08:49 |
| @preaction | the sessions are different | 08:49 |
| @rizen | if you click twice on post it happens | 08:49 |
| @preaction | but i clicked "submit" once | 08:49 |
| @rizen | other than that i haven't seen it | 08:49 |
| @preaction | maybe my compy is magically pressing twice | 08:49 |
| @preaction | this is the only bug i've been able to find | 08:49 |
| @rizen | or if you hit save | 08:49 |
| @rizen | and then hit refresh on the page | 08:49 |
| @rizen | that says "be patient" | 08:49 |
| @preaction | i hit "enter" instead, moved to my tailed log, and it still happened. two different sessions (or rather, two different locations in memory where a session is being stored) | 08:52 |
| @preaction | if i can reproduce without my code changes, since i can only seem to reproduce in ubuntu (not from an OSX firefox outside the dev environment), can we say it's a known bug not related to my code changes? | 08:56 |
| @rizen | if you can reproduce it on a vanilla 7.3.13 install (no modifications or custom code of any kind), then yes | 08:58 |
| @preaction | i'm saying it may be a bug related to having 27000 assets, a sizable navigation array, and thus a long time between request and the response headers, causing the browser to think the request failed (thus, a browser bug) | 09:07 |
| @rizen | doubtful | 09:08 |
| @rizen | plainblack is twice as large as that site | 09:08 |
| @preaction | i've reverted and i can still reproduce. although it is 7.3.10 source. imma try restarting and reproducing again | 09:10 |
| @preaction | i couldn't reproduce with latest SVN, but i might try applying latest SVN to the alumni database that I have and see what happens | 09:12 |
| @rizen | might as well, when we go live it will be on latest | 09:13 |
| @preaction | it still creates duplicates | 09:18 |
| @preaction | going to try some other browsers | 09:18 |
| @preaction | i can only reproduce on firefox 2.0.0.2 under ubuntu. with 7.3.10, 7.3.10 + my patch, and latest SVN | 09:36 |
| @preaction | works fine in konqueror and firefox mac osx | 09:37 |
| @preaction | i'll get back to it tomorrow... | 09:38 |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] | 09:59 | |
| -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui | 10:10 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 13:08 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@13.sub-75-206-150.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI | 14:45 | |
| SDuensin | Good morning | 14:45 |
| ckotil | we had a crack head working for us | 16:02 |
| ckotil | http://www.idsnews.com/news/story.aspx?id=41931 | 16:05 |
| SDuensin | Hey ckotil | 16:07 |
| SDuensin | I like this charge: "maintaining a common nuisance" - hell, lock us all up! | 16:09 |
| ckotil | yeah , they couldnt outright charge him with dealing or possesion since he was ratted on | 16:10 |
| ckotil | i bet my coworker winds up dead | 16:10 |
| ckotil | ratting on a crack dealer is bad news | 16:11 |
| * SDuensin can just see 'em "sittin' on the Group W bench" for causing a nuisance. | 16:11 | |
| SDuensin | Our main problem around St. Louis is meth. Usually find the labs when they blow up. | 16:13 |
| ckotil | ya | 16:14 |
| -!- bopbop [n=kristi@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 16:21 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has joined #webgui | 17:30 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 17:30 | |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: check this out: http://search.cpan.org/~ssoriche/Test-Output-0.10/lib/Test/Output.pm | 17:34 |
| +perlDreamer | STDOUT capturing goodness for tests! | 17:34 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o bopbop] by rizen | 17:41 | |
| @bopbop | I am woman, hear me roar! | 17:42 |
| ckotil | wow, female irc user | 17:42 |
| ckotil | welcome | 17:42 |
| SDuensin | Hello bopbop | 17:43 |
| @bopbop | hi | 17:43 |
| +perlDreamer | greetings, Duchess of Documentation | 17:46 |
| @bopbop | awww | 17:46 |
| @bopbop | warm and fuzzy | 17:46 |
| SDuensin | Docs are Good. We LIKE Docs! | 17:47 |
| @rizen | perldreamer: TjeCC | 17:47 |
| @rizen | you want me to give him karma, for what exactly? | 17:48 |
| SDuensin | Morning, rizen | 17:48 |
| +perlDreamer | remember how I was saying that the display logic for the calendar needed to be rewritten | 17:48 |
| @rizen | morning sd | 17:48 |
| +perlDreamer | DateTime::Set and all that? | 17:48 |
| @rizen | yes | 17:48 |
| +perlDreamer | TjeCC gave us a 4 line patch to do the same thing | 17:48 |
| +perlDreamer | no new modules | 17:48 |
| +perlDreamer | very fast | 17:48 |
| +perlDreamer | see my commit from last night for code | 17:49 |
| @rizen | sweet | 17:49 |
| @rizen | and you think he deserves 1 billion karma for that? | 17:49 |
| @rizen | 1 billion seems a bit steep | 17:49 |
| +perlDreamer | how about a kilokarma? | 17:49 |
| +perlDreamer | reporting a bug and giving a significant patch | 17:50 |
| SDuensin | Nobody has ever answered me. What good is karma? | 17:50 |
| +perlDreamer | Karma is good for getting your RFEs to the top of the list and having PB implement them | 17:50 |
| SDuensin | Ah. Nice. | 17:50 |
| +perlDreamer | see the karma page on PB.com for future possibilities | 17:50 |
| +perlDreamer | plainblack.com/karma | 17:50 |
| * SDuensin tends to use /usr/bin/perl to get things implemented. | 17:51 | |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: you could consider a quarter kilokarma | 17:51 |
| +perlDreamer | but alliteration would drive us nuts | 17:51 |
| @rizen | he just received a kilokarma | 17:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to build that RFE transferer | 17:53 |
| +perlDreamer | thank you, rizen | 17:54 |
| +perlDreamer | we have enough perl hackers in the community that stuff like this should happen more often | 17:54 |
| * SDuensin is trying. | 17:55 | |
| @rizen | TjeCC is a client and hacker that plainblack / webgui picked up about a year ago from one of my speaking engagements | 17:55 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 17:56 |
| @rizen | i spoke about WebGUI at Uniforum's PerlSIG | 17:56 |
| +perlDreamer | that's right | 17:56 |
| +perlDreamer | you doing the lecture circuit again this year? yapc, etc? | 17:56 |
| @rizen | nope...mainly cuz i don't have anything significant to talk about | 17:56 |
| @rizen | last year it was webgui 7 | 17:56 |
| @rizen | and i hoped to have commerce finished this year so i'd be able to talk about that | 17:57 |
| @rizen | but it will have to wait until next year | 17:57 |
| +perlDreamer | mars needs women/wG needs hackers? | 17:57 |
| @rizen | i'm not the kind of guy that can talk about the same old boring crap time and time again | 17:57 |
| @rizen | that's why this year's WUC is so different from previous years | 17:57 |
| @rizen | i was so sick of giving the same talks | 17:57 |
| @rizen | even my State of WebGUI is going to be significantly different | 17:58 |
| * SDuensin could do that one... State of WebGUI == Awesome! | 18:02 | |
| +perlDreamer | If you like State of wG, you should see him in the sequel, Stump the Chump | 18:04 |
| @rizen | that's really a horrible name for that session | 18:05 |
| @preaction | it fits | 18:05 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 18:05 |
| @rizen | it's not about stumping me | 18:05 |
| @rizen | it's about getting questions answered | 18:06 |
| @rizen | that weren't answered during the rest of the WUC | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI Town Hall | 18:06 |
| -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] | 18:08 | |
| @rizen | that's a better name | 18:15 |
| @rizen | at least more descriptive of what goes on there | 18:15 |
| @rizen | i still say that "One on one with the Great One" is the best name | 18:15 |
| ckotil | how about inquire the sire | 18:20 |
| @preaction | as if the ego needs more stroking | 18:22 |
| ckotil | add a qu and you get squire | 18:22 |
| ckotil | that will knock him down a coulpe pegs | 18:22 |
| ckotil | better rhyming scheme too | 18:22 |
| @preaction | can't knock him down too far though, he has to handle MrHairgrease for the rest of us | 18:23 |
| +perlDreamer | well, if MrHairgrease is Eurohunk, then rizen is .... | 18:23 |
| +perlDreamer | MichiganMan | 18:24 |
| @bopbop | AmerisStud? | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | ? | 18:24 |
| @bopbop | Eurohunk...Ameristud | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Ameristud is better than MichiganMan. | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | MichiganMan makes me think of MichelinMan | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | and JT looks bad in white bandages | 18:26 |
| ckotil | heh | 18:26 |
| @preaction | rizen: my testing for my code (changes to the CS to make it inheritable) left me with this: the only bugs that I can make only occur on FF 2.0.0.2 for Ubuntu, and occur in latest SVN, 7.3.10 w/o my changes, and 7.3.10 w/ my changes | 18:26 |
| @preaction | given all that, i believe it's not my code, and is in fact the browser making multiple POST requests in a random fashion (or by the phases of the moon perhaps) | 18:27 |
| SDuensin | Ever use FireBug? Great for tracking down what the browser is up to. | 18:28 |
| ckotil | i use it | 18:29 |
| ckotil | <3 it | 18:29 |
| @preaction | SDuensin: the problem is that when that browser posts a reply to a collab system thread, the reply shows up twice. a stacktrace reveals that it's the same methods being called from the same places but with different sessions, meaning (I think) that they're different requests | 18:30 |
| @preaction | only seems to happen with a very large database and a very large navigation, creating a largish delay between POST and the server's response | 18:31 |
| SDuensin | Hmm. Sounds like a fun one to find. :-/ | 18:31 |
| @preaction | i spent four hours on it last night, and came up with nothing. i can only reproduce on that browser | 18:32 |
| @preaction | and when rizen gets back from whatever he's doing, i can have him confirm that it's not my changes and i can move forward on the client project | 18:33 |
| @preaction | (since, i'm now 100% sure that it is not my changes causing this idiosyncracy) | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | is it the helpful browser prefetch going on? | 18:50 |
| xdanger | prefetch is the invention of the devil! | 18:51 |
| @preaction | why would it prefetch a POST response? with the correct data? | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know, but that URL is stored in memory. If you did a page reload, it would resend the POST data | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | try setting up HTTP::Proxy and watching what the browser sends | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | and when | 18:52 |
| @preaction | using tcpdump, it seems that one POST happens, and then 9 seconds later a different POST happens | 19:22 |
| @preaction | it wasn't spectre, since spectre connects on a different port | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | this is on your dev box? (which means the IP of the referrer won't mean much) | 19:28 |
| @preaction | i'm dumping the entire TCP packet now, before i was just getting the bare minimum of the HTTP header | 19:29 |
| * perlDreamer continues to murmur browser prefetch under my breath | 19:30 | |
| @preaction | tcpdump confirms, the browser is sending two POST requests | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | evil, accursed thing! | 19:41 |
| -!- cga [n=cga@213-140-6-101.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #webgui | 20:05 | |
| cga | hi all | 20:05 |
| @preaction | hello cga | 20:06 |
| cga | ciao preaction , i'm evaluating webgui for my site (i'm using another CMS atm) , i find it very comlete and pw0nn1n9 (sorry for leet) | 20:07 |
| cga | preaction, are you into plainback? | 20:08 |
| @preaction | i'm currently employed by them, yes | 20:08 |
| cga | nice, you ight help then, i have few questions | 20:09 |
| @preaction | feel free to ask, if anyone here can answer, they will | 20:09 |
| cga | what about the virtual hosting? how much control i have on it and what is required? | 20:09 |
| cga | cool | 20:09 |
| cga | if you have FAqs just FAQ me | 20:10 |
| cga | FYI: i'm looking at features , howtos and something else atm , i'll read about hosting virtual server later, but if you can answer that'll be good | 20:11 |
| @preaction | https://www.plainblack.com/services/hosting | 20:13 |
| cga | cool and thanks && oh BTW how much W3C compliant is webgui? | 20:13 |
| @preaction | the standard style03 that comes with WebGUI is XHTML 1.1 / CSS | 20:14 |
| cga | i'm looking for W3C WAI CSS (X)HTML (depending on the one generated by webgui) and ANY | 20:14 |
| cga | cool , what about others? | 20:14 |
| @preaction | valid, even if the mime-type is wrong | 20:14 |
| @preaction | others? that depends on where you get it from, or if you build it yourself it'd depend on your prowess | 20:14 |
| cga | well others are WAI and ANY | 20:15 |
| cga | 8for the ones i look for) | 20:15 |
| cga | s/8/( | 20:15 |
| cga | ok i need to know more by rading and trying webgui | 20:15 |
| cga | *reafing | 20:16 |
| cga | damn typos.. | 20:16 |
| cga | reading | 20:16 |
| @preaction | WebGUI by default is Section 508 compliant, which is the US Goverment's version of WAI | 20:16 |
| @preaction | i can't find the "ANY" acronym on google | 20:17 |
| cga | is not an acronym | 20:17 |
| cga | is ANY browser | 20:17 |
| cga | i read that it supports the main vbrowser + some textiual ones. which is all i should care of.. but ANY is good. what about it? | 20:17 |
| SDuensin | WebGUI's output is entirely template based. You can make it output anything you want. | 20:18 |
| @preaction | firefox and IE are supported for admins, other browsers aren't supported for admin, but afaik work on every non-admin page (with graceful degredation for things like the TinyMCE) | 20:18 |
| cga | oh sorry.. my fault.. i ment ANY for viewing browsers | 20:19 |
| SDuensin | That's only because of the theme used on the admin page. If you removed some of the fancyness, it'd work fine in other browsers, too. | 20:19 |
| @preaction | i believe the main hurdle is the TinyMCE, and that gracefully degrades | 20:19 |
| @preaction | much of it hinges on your HTML/CSS | 20:19 |
| cga | tinymce is nice , the cms i use now uses it | 20:19 |
| SDuensin | Yup. It turns into a nice textbox if the browser doesn't understand it. | 20:20 |
| * SDuensin shoots an evil glance at Safari | 20:20 | |
| cga | FYI: i'm not a webdsesigner or whatever.. that's why i use a CMS , sorry if i dson't understnd dsomew of the things you say. | 20:20 |
| @preaction | actually, iirc, latest webkit builds finally support the tinyMCE | 20:20 |
| SDuensin | preaction - has that made it into a Safari build yet? | 20:21 |
| SDuensin | cga - Basically, in a nutshell, if the code you put in to WebGUI is compliant, what comes out will be compliant. | 20:21 |
| @preaction | SDuensin: i think, i don't know. | 20:21 |
| SDuensin | (Or, if you're like me, and feed it horrible CSS, what comes out is horrible CSS!) | 20:21 |
| cga | SDuensin, you said about putput of webgui and templates. that's one thing i don't understand for my n00bsness. can you explain please? | 20:21 |
| cga | SDuensin, cool about compiance | 20:22 |
| SDuensin | Everything WebGUI "renders" is done through templates. You can edit (or create new) the template files to change how they look. If the HTML you put in the templates is compliant, what comes out will be, too. | 20:23 |
| SDuensin | WebGUI really doesn't create anything of it's own. It assembles templates and data. | 20:23 |
| cga | oh i see , it seems more difficult than i tought | 20:24 |
| SDuensin | Not really. Most of what you need is already included. :-) | 20:24 |
| @bopbop | cga: have you looked at the demo site yet? | 20:24 |
| SDuensin | WebGUI takes some effort to learn, but believe me - it's worth it. | 20:24 |
| @bopbop | you can test out webgui for free for 24 hours and see all this in action | 20:24 |
| cga | not yet. i just landed on the site and i'm reading other things, i wanna try the demo later | 20:25 |
| @bopbop | I think the template thing will be more apparent then | 20:25 |
| SDuensin | Yea, the demo is cool. It's a fully-working site that you can do anything to. | 20:25 |
| cga | i think so too | 20:25 |
| @bopbop | when in admin mode, click on an asset's Edit button on its toolbar, go to the display tab and you'll see edit buttons next to anything that's a template (style, etc) | 20:25 |
| SDuensin | I used to run WebGUI for everything. Then I was stupid and switched because my new host didn't run WebGUI... | 20:26 |
| SDuensin | Now I'm working to be my own host and WebGUI is coming back strong! | 20:26 |
| cga | ok bopbop , i'll do it later , thanks | 20:27 |
| cga | SDuensin, what i want to do is to take hosting on plainback if it sin't too expesive and let them take care of the hoisting issues, i reall y don't know nothing about it | 20:27 |
| cga | even if i'd like to learn but i'm really busy with other things | 20:28 |
| SDuensin | Only reason I don't use PlainBlack for hosting is that I need to run a lot of odd stuff. :-) | 20:28 |
| cga | well i have only the site atm so it's perfect to migrate everything (beside i can have a blog with webgui and other things) | 20:29 |
| cga | it seems just perfect for what i have in mind | 20:30 |
| SDuensin | I've not run into anything it can't do. Some things take a bit of tweaking, but it sure beats doing it by hand. | 20:32 |
| * cga goes back to reafing on webgui's site and thanks you for your kind answers and time | 20:32 | |
| cga | i'm sure i'll learn quickly once i understand how it works | 20:33 |
| SDuensin | Play with the demo. Read the online help. | 20:36 |
| @preaction | http://wiki.webgui.org <- a lot of stuff there too | 20:37 |
| cga | cool thanks | 20:39 |
| @preaction | if I do a joinClass in getLineage, wouldn't that be more easily inheritable than includeOnlyClasses? | 21:35 |
| @preaction | say, a WebGUI::Asset::Event has a subclass. if I joinClass on WebGUI::Asset::Event, i'll only get assets that have an assetId in WebGUI::Asset::Event's tables | 21:36 |
| @preaction | no? | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | you need to ask someone who understands SQL | 21:37 |
| @preaction | i'm sure i can edit the SQL in getLineage that would make what I'm asking true | 21:39 |
| @preaction | if it doesn't already | 21:39 |
| @preaction | with that, and a grep through the codebase to get rid of all the "if $asset->{className} eq 'something'" and change it to a proper inheritance check, we can have much more flexible assets | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I like that | 21:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you know how to tell spectre to dequeue a workflow activity? | 21:43 |
| @preaction | remove an instance? | 21:43 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 21:43 |
| @preaction | i know of no way except through manual database hack-and-slash | 21:44 |
| +perlDreamer | hmmmm | 21:44 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like we need to add some API to spectre then | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/collaboration-system-not-deleting-getcsmail-workflows#_8kYyR3xZywO4b0KnP4r6w | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | odds are that more bugs like this exist in the system | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | the CS deletes the Cron job on purge, but probably does not dequeue them from spectre | 21:45 |
| @preaction | that would explain some things | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | Spectre::Cron does have a deleteJob method | 21:46 |
| +perlDreamer | now, what does it need to be called with | 21:46 |
| +perlDreamer | and would it be better to communicate with Spectre directly, rather than yanking its pants off without warning | 21:47 |
| @preaction | if you remove it from workflowInstance, does that remove it from spectre? | 21:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | ....yet :) | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI::Workflow::Instance::deleteJob looks promising | 21:50 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, and that's how you communicate with Spectre directly | 21:55 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI::Workflow::Spectre->new($self->session)->notify("workflow/deleteInstance",$self->getId) | 21:55 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: you're basically right | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | there's an API for removing instances | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | but there's no way to fetch a particular instance | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | based on criteria | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | basically, getLineage for instances does not exist | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | but you can get them all and then iterate over them | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Workflow::Instance->getAllInstances() | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | so all that's left is identification | 21:59 |
| cap10morgan | when you add a new workflow activity module in lib, do you have to manually an entry for it in the WorkflowActivity table? | 22:04 |
| @rizen | it only goes into the WorkflowActivity table if it is to be made part of an existing workflow | 22:05 |
| @rizen | otherwise you just reference it in your config file | 22:05 |
| @rizen | and then people can build it into their workflows however they wish | 22:05 |
| @rizen | through the ui | 22:05 |
| cap10morgan | ah, ok | 22:05 |
| cap10morgan | duh, that makes sense | 22:05 |
| @rizen | and no matter what, you don't make an entry in WorkflowActivity yourself | 22:05 |
| @rizen | you use the API to do it | 22:06 |
| cap10morgan | gotcha, thanks jt | 22:06 |
| @rizen | if you have to | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: in WebGUI::Workflow::Cron->delete, should skipNotify skip notifying spectre, or should it force notifying spectre? | 22:46 |
| @rizen | anywhere you see "skipNotifiy" then it should skip notification...it's not a sarcastic function | 22:48 |
| @rizen | =) | 22:48 |
| +perlDreamer | that makes sense | 22:49 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll just reverse the logic then, and this should fix Frank's bug | 22:49 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/collaboration-system-not-deleting-getcsmail-workflows#_8kYyR3xZywO4b0KnP4r6w | 22:49 |
| +perlDreamer | need to go look for my wallet, be back in a while | 22:49 |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@13.sub-75-206-150.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 22:58 | |
| -!- bopbop [n=kristi@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has left #webgui [] | 22:59 | |
| -!- cga [n=cga@213-140-6-101.ip.fastwebnet.it] has left #webgui ["90% of the problems that people have with GNU/Linux are to impute to Windows."] | 23:08 | |
| --- Day changed Sat Mar 24 2007 | ||
| @preaction | rizen: using a tcpdump i've proven that the browser is actually sending two POST requests, so i am 100% confident that it does not introduce any bugs into the CS. it's not a full solution to complete subclassing for all parts of the CS, but the Collaboration itself can be subclassed | 00:06 |
| @rizen | cool | 00:06 |
| @preaction | can i add to core then? | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, so you think we should do Calendar permissions #1? That's cool be me | 00:21 |
| @preaction | personally, i don't see any reason why you would have a group that can edit the calendar and NOT add events to it | 00:21 |
| @preaction | instead, might need the Calendar to edit the groups of all children Events when the Calendar permissions get edited, like the collab system does it | 00:22 |
| @preaction | but wait, that could still give erik's bug | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be better to do #2, IMO, but you're the architect | 00:24 |
| @preaction | yes, it would | 00:25 |
| @preaction | didn't know what you meant by "adding groups" | 00:25 |
| @preaction | so a person can add an event if and only if they are a member of groupIdEventEdit | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I should do a quick check on the CS to see how it works | 00:27 |
| @preaction | i think i meant a previous bug, where the groupIdEdit for Events wasn't being set properly | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | that bug was fixed | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | on the CS, you can add posts if you're in the CS editGroup | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | and you canedit if you're in the editGroup | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | so #1 it is | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | um | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | it's set up to do that already | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | return $session->user->isInGroup($self->getParent->get("groupIdEventEdit")) or $self->SUPER::canEdit; | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | Is this a precedence bug? | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | return(this) or that? | 00:30 |
| @preaction | no, nevermind, i'm losing it | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to test this. I'm like 60% sure this is a precedence bug due to the or operator | 00:32 |
| @preaction | it's possible, but the last statement of a sub is the value implicitly returned, so it might just be confusing / unmaintainable | 00:33 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] | 00:48 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui | 01:34 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 01:34 | |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: I found the bug. | 01:34 |
| +perlDreamer | Event inherits editSave from Asset.pm | 01:34 |
| @preaction | which it should? | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | it should not | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | Event->canEdit should just return $self->parent->canAddEvent | 01:40 |
| @preaction | will that work? | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | it doesn't appear to be calling Event's canEdit, but Calendar's instead | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm still tracing and checking | 01:54 |
| @preaction | when you're adding an event, it calls calendar's canEdit | 01:54 |
| @preaction | when your editing an event, it calls the event's canEdit | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I was able to add an event as the owner of the calendar | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | when I edit an event, it shows me the form but will not let me save | 01:55 |
| @preaction | weird | 01:55 |
| +perlDreamer | it's probably me | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm tired | 02:05 |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has left #webgui [] | 02:44 | |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, just for future reference, I opened up a demo site in another tab and was trying to change local dev code while reloading the demo site | 03:04 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: I think I did a booboo. | 03:09 |
| +perlDreamer | erik svanberg asked for a priority bug fix | 03:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I didn't know that nik was working on it | 03:10 |
| +perlDreamer | it's fixed | 03:10 |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI | 03:31 | |
| +perlDreamer | it's real quiet tonight | 05:18 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."] | 06:14 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 06:24 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 06:24 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] | 07:03 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-122.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has quit [] | 07:18 | |
| -!- wgGuest08 [n=wgGuest0@cp47104-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #webgui | 08:18 | |
| -!- wgGuest08 [n=wgGuest0@cp47104-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Client Quit] | 08:19 | |
| -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users, it has hostages."] | 14:46 | |
| -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui | 14:47 | |
| -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 14:49 | |
| -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui | 14:49 | |
| -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Client Quit] | 14:49 | |
| -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui | 14:50 | |
| -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 14:51 | |
| -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui | 14:51 | |
| -!- cga [n=cga@213-140-6-101.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #webgui | 15:55 | |
| -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@ip70-189-104-178.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui | 17:46 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui | 18:15 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 18:15 | |
| -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@ip70-189-104-178.ok.ok.cox.net] has left #webgui [] | 19:17 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 19:32 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 19:32 | |
| +perlDreamer | preaction! | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | good to see you | 19:48 |
| @rizen | what, i'm chppped liver? | 19:48 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: how's it going | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I've been lying in wait for preaction | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | can we talk about the calendar? | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | and then rizen can stomp on my theories and tell us really how to fix it? | 19:49 |
| @rizen | if you prefeer, i can just ignore you. =) | 19:49 |
| @rizen | then i don't have to crush your hopes and dreams | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't consider it crushing, it usually aligns them with reality again | 19:50 |
| @preaction | ask forth your question! | 19:50 |
| +perlDreamer | what is the recurrence start date for? | 19:50 |
| +perlDreamer | why is it different from the event start date? | 19:51 |
| @preaction | i believe it was because we decided that MS Outlook's handling of recurrence, and they include a startDate iirc | 19:52 |
| @preaction | i'm still half-tempted to remove it and just assume "startDate" to be the first occurance of the event | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what I would do | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | in fact, I think the recurrence bugs that we've been seeing on the board are all caused by having both dates there | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | so removing it makes it easier to use and closes the bugs | 19:54 |
| @rizen | pd: check this out: http://video.google.com/url?docid=2940794006585194361&esrc=sr2&ev=v&q=irack&vidurl=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DKM_MkWgbt3k&usg=AL29H20Obe15ULRN-lON_ivaBT5b_8ea-A | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2007-03-04-1.html | 20:00 |
| @preaction | i think the problem we faced was altering the recurrence pattern in an event far into the recurrence pattern | 20:00 |
| @preaction | if you leave the end after # events the same, it'll create a whole slew of them past | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't follow you, preaction. | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/event-calendar-date-start/finish-field-not-working-correctly-with-individual-and-re-occuring-events#Q4evFF9cDBj0nm7-i-icnw | 20:05 |
| +perlDreamer | read that | 20:05 |
| @preaction | removing it would make it simpler | 20:08 |
| @preaction | i'd still like to benchmark what a 7-day recurring event takes to instanciate either (7 assets, or a single DateTime::Event::iCal) | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | if DateTime::Event::iCal was used, would it still create 7 event assets? | 20:11 |
| @preaction | no, we'd just check each DateTime::Event::iCal to see if it occurs on the day, and then add the Event to that day in the template | 20:14 |
| +perlDreamer | at first glance, it should be faster to create events, but slower render them | 20:15 |
| +perlDreamer | but like rizen has said, DateTime::Set operations may be so fast we'd never see the slower part | 20:16 |
| @preaction | it's something we might have to use WebGUI::Test::getPage to test properly | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | did you see that note I left you about Test::Output? | 20:17 |
| +perlDreamer | it may be easier than doing the tie'ing that we've been doing | 20:17 |
| +perlDreamer | or it may just wrap it in a convenient sub | 20:18 |
| @preaction | if we just point $session->output to STDIN, make sure the session doesn't send the http headers (because loading Apache2::Cookie kills the tests), it might be much nicely | 20:18 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | Were you thinking of working on converting Event to using DT::E::iCal? If so, I can start trying to duplicate the other bugs and see if we still have them or not | 20:19 |
| @preaction | WebGUI::Test->session could set the appropriate session->http->noHeader or whatever | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 20:19 |
| @preaction | that conversion might be part of my vacation in a few weeks, there are 3-4 more-than-minor things i think the calendar needs | 20:20 |
| +perlDreamer | or we could start mocking Apache2::Cookie | 20:20 |
| @preaction | could we change to use CGI::Cookie? | 20:20 |
| +perlDreamer | what advantage does that have? | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | and what else do you want to do to the calendar? | 20:21 |
| @preaction | CGI::Cookie has a far smaller memory footprint (which is why using a2Cookie fails) | 20:22 |
| @preaction | it segfaults | 20:22 |
| @preaction | 1) Feed updates need to be a sub in the Calendar instead of being completely in the workflow activity | 20:23 |
| @preaction | 2) Events that recur should all be created under a single version tag, and then that tag should be committed | 20:23 |
| @preaction | 3) number (2) should happen asynchronously, firing off a spectre workflow to perform it | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | but the move to iCal overrides anything you'd do in 2 & 3 | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | since there is only 1 event created | 20:24 |
| @preaction | true enough | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | but I like 1 a lot | 20:25 |
| @preaction | 1 will allow for the AJAX feed updating in the Calendar > Edit Form > Feeds Tab that I wanted originally | 20:25 |
| @preaction | click a button, and the feed gets updated | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | using DT::E::iCal is also going to make getEventsIn more difficult | 20:30 |
| @preaction | might actually be simpler, join the _recur table, and use _recur.startDate and _recur.endDate | 20:31 |
| +perlDreamer | ooh | 20:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I hadn't thought of that | 20:31 |
| @preaction | might not be able to use getLineage anymore though | 20:31 |
| +perlDreamer | you can still use getLIneage to get your own events | 20:31 |
| @preaction | i don't think getLineage can do arbitrary joins (but it would probably be a nice feature) | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 20:34 |
| +perlDreamer | still not reaching calendar clarity | 20:34 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I'll try to duplicate the existing bugs to see if they still exist | 20:34 |
| +perlDreamer | the bug list needs to be shorter | 20:34 |
| @preaction | indeed | 20:34 |
| +perlDreamer | but we also need to fix Iraq and stop emissions | 20:35 |
| +perlDreamer | what a world | 20:35 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."] | 22:33 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui | 23:38 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 23:38 | |
| --- Day changed Sun Mar 25 2007 | ||
| +perlDreamer | rizen: can I use PB to test a patch for this bug? | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/wrong-location-after-login#1gVCQqlv41L9gQ3kv4Eg-g | 00:17 |
| @rizen | how are you using PB to test the patch? | 00:18 |
| @rizen | are you saying you want to give me a patch? | 00:18 |
| @rizen | and i'll install it | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:19 |
| @rizen | ok, sure | 00:19 |
| @rizen | you wanna email it to me, or is it available somewhere? | 00:19 |
| @rizen | svn | 00:19 |
| @rizen | ? | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, svn would be great. | 00:19 |
| @rizen | ok | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll commit it and tell you the commit # | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | 3926 | 00:20 |
| @rizen | it doesn't have any db changes, right? | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | 1 line perl fix to Auth.pm | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | forces wG to always set redirectAfterLogin each time Auth is called, unless redirectAfterLogin contains a URL with an operation | 00:20 |
| @rizen | done | 00:21 |
| @rizen | give it a shot | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | it works! | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | -1 bug | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, man! | 00:24 |
| @rizen | wahooo | 00:26 |
| @rizen | no no, thank you | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | you're welcome | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | the bug list is driving me crazy | 00:30 |
| @rizen | i'm having nik cut his teeth by fixing bugs | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I hope I didn't step on his toes last night | 00:30 |
| @preaction | we poor herbivores | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | insectivore? | 00:30 |
| @rizen | no biggie | 00:31 |
| @rizen | once i can see him single handedly managing the bug list | 00:33 |
| @rizen | i think i'll know he's ready for prime time | 00:33 |
| @rizen | then he should be able to do support and client projects | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | do you want me to back off and let him handle more of them, for training purposes? | 00:33 |
| @rizen | that should take a few weeks, and then i'll have to start the process all over with a new person | 00:33 |
| @rizen | cuz we really need another | 00:34 |
| @rizen | there's plenty out there for him to do, and i'm sure plenty more will be reported, so feel free to keep working on them | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 00:34 |
| @rizen | but if you do see any that you think would be particularly good for him to tackle from a learning perspective | 00:34 |
| @rizen | do feel free to point them out to him | 00:34 |
| @rizen | nik@plainblack.com | 00:35 |
| @rizen | i knew we had some bugs after going through 6.x, but i just never realized it was as bad as it is | 00:35 |
| @rizen | we've fixed several hundred bugs in the 7.3 releases alone | 00:36 |
| @rizen | granted, part of that was preaction cutting his teeth on the calendar app | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, I've just found one | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I think the time calculations in the Group system are completely off | 00:37 |
| @rizen | incidentally, i hope to be putting out WRE 0.1.1 for windows tomorrow, and that will clear off all the WRE windows problems | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | sweet | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | that will clear about 5 bugs? | 00:38 |
| @rizen | yup | 00:38 |
| @rizen | plus 2 that i've already closed | 00:38 |
| SDuensin | Hey gang | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | what's up SD? | 00:47 |
| SDuensin | Had a question and need some guidance... | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Don't we all... | 00:48 |
| SDuensin | I have a macro that is going to generate a PNG stream. How do I get WebGUI to display that? | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | set the mime type to be image/png | 00:48 |
| @preaction | make a snippet that runs the macro and set the correct mimetype | 00:48 |
| SDuensin | So if I do the snippit thing, then I only need to send back the PNG data? No headers? | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | no headers | 00:49 |
| @rizen | that won't work | 00:50 |
| @preaction | you can't call a macro from a URL, so it has to be contained in something | 00:50 |
| @rizen | what you want to do is have the macro output the file into WebGUI::Storage tempspace | 00:50 |
| @rizen | and then have the macro return the URL | 00:50 |
| @rizen | or an image tag with the URL | 00:50 |
| SDuensin | Got any pointers of what to look at that does that so I can learn how? | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | you could try the captcha generator in Auth | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Poll graphic generator (which uses WebGUI::Image) | 00:53 |
| SDuensin | WebGUI::Image? Maybe I should just be using that? (Currently I'm using PerlMagick.) | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd look into it | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | if it doesn't do what you want, you can always extend it | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | It provides a way to make nice graphics on top of Image::Magick/PerlMagick | 00:54 |
| SDuensin | Um. Sure. Did I mention I suck at Perl? | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | dude, if you can code macros, then you can do this | 00:55 |
| SDuensin | :-) | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | plus you have all of us on IRC to back you up | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | we wouldn't hang you out to dry | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | "Go and reinvent OO. See you in the morning" | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | :P | 00:55 |
| SDuensin | Ok, I'm going to go read the API docs for a bit. I don't want to miss the ACME deadline! | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: I sent nik the top bug from the list. | 00:56 |
| @rizen | yeah, i saw that | 00:57 |
| @rizen | my $image = WebGUI::Storage::Image->createTemp($session); | 00:58 |
| @rizen | $image->addFileFrom.....($whatever); | 00:58 |
| @rizen | $image->getUrl($filename); | 00:58 |
| SDuensin | Thanks, rizen - Reading about all those calls now. | 01:01 |
| SDuensin | Does that file get cleaned up when the session expires? | 01:02 |
| @rizen | no..sometime later, by the workflow engine | 01:03 |
| @rizen | i think by default it lasts for 6 hours in temp space | 01:03 |
| SDuensin | Ok, as long as I don't need to do it. | 01:03 |
| SDuensin | How's this look? (Sorry, pastebin is dead right now.) | 01:15 |
| SDuensin | my $image = WebGUI::Image->new($session, width, height); | 01:15 |
| SDuensin | my $magick = $image->image(); | 01:15 |
| SDuensin | -- Draw on $magick here -- | 01:15 |
| SDuensin | my $store = WebGUI::Storage::Image->createTemp($session); | 01:15 |
| SDuensin | $image->setFilename($filename); | 01:15 |
| SDuensin | $image->saveToStorageLocation($store); | 01:15 |
| SDuensin | $store->getURL($filename); | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: paste? | 01:16 |
| perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. | 01:16 |
| SDuensin | k | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: did gooeybot go bits up? | 01:16 |
| SDuensin | How does it know what kind of image to create? Based on filename? Or does it always make JPGs/GIFs/PNGs/whatever? | 01:17 |
| SDuensin | Code repasted: http://sial.org/pbot/23760 | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I would guess by filename | 01:18 |
| SDuensin | So does that code look right? Or am I insane? | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | getURL => getUrl | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | aside from that, it looks fine | 01:19 |
| SDuensin | Sweet. I might make it into the ACME contest yet! | 01:19 |
| SDuensin | Ok, here's a sick question. I have two small packages I use in my code. Any way to roll them into my single source file so people don't have to get them from CPAN to run this? | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | are they pure perl? | 01:20 |
| SDuensin | Yes. | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | do you really need them? | 01:20 |
| SDuensin | Oh yea. | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | try pasting the contents into your macro wholesale, so that there are 3 package declarations in the file. | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | btw, this is not recommended for typical perl programming | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | this is just for ACME hacking goodness | 01:22 |
| SDuensin | No, I know it's a Bad Idea (tm). | 01:22 |
| SDuensin | And if this was anything but a quick hack for ACME, I wouldn't even consider it. | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | so if you know all this perl, why do you say you suck? | 01:22 |
| SDuensin | Because I have to look every frickin' thing up! | 01:23 |
| SDuensin | I'm a very fluent programmer. Needing to look up the syntax of "for" loops makes me feel dumb. :-) | 01:23 |
| SDuensin | Never fear! I plan on adding Perl to my list of "comfortable" languages just as soon as I can! | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I see, you're just not a native speaker. | 01:25 |
| SDuensin | Right. :-) | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Time for me to switch from WebGUI Hacker to Daddy mode. I'll be back later. | 01:27 |
| SDuensin | I just switched the other direction. :-) | 01:27 |
| SDuensin | See ya, perlDreamer ! | 01:27 |
| SDuensin | When you install the WRE and it asks if this is a development system, exactly what does saying "Yes" change? | 01:31 |
| @rizen | it installs all kinds of viruses and worms on your system | 01:31 |
| SDuensin | SWEET! | 01:32 |
| -!- wgGuest21 [n=wgGuest2@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 04:05 | |
| -!- wgGuest21 [n=wgGuest2@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] | 04:06 | |
| @preaction | why doesn't the default www_view in WebGUI::Asset do all the stuff that the one in WebGUI::Asset::Wobject does? | 06:30 |
| @rizen | cuz only and idiot would think that it should | 06:31 |
| @rizen | wahoo!! zinged you | 06:31 |
| @rizen | consider yourself zinged!!! | 06:32 |
| @rizen | =) | 06:32 |
| @rizen | for starters styles are a property of wobjects, not assets | 06:33 |
| @rizen | secondly, since Asset is a base class we shouldn't make assumptions about what kind of content that the asset might be serving up | 06:34 |
| @preaction | that'd explain it then | 06:34 |
| @rizen | assets often don't even serve html | 06:34 |
| @rizen | sometimes they serve binary files, sometimes redirects, sometimes other text files like css, xml, javascript, etc | 06:34 |
| @preaction | so the Wobject is just a more feature-rich shell for an Asset | 06:35 |
| @rizen | yup | 06:35 |
| @rizen | i imagine that in the future there might be other shells too | 06:35 |
| @preaction | basically i've noticed that i copy the wobject www_view a lot, which probably means i should be making these things wobjects and not assets | 06:36 |
| @rizen | generally an asset is something simple that returns exactly 1 thing that is not HTML | 06:36 |
| @preaction | par exampla: Events | 06:36 |
| @rizen | event's should be assets | 06:36 |
| @rizen | not wobjects | 06:37 |
| @rizen | but you should not be copying www_view | 06:37 |
| @rizen | well..i shouldn't say that | 06:37 |
| @rizen | it is copied..but you couldn't inherit it from wobject anyway | 06:38 |
| @rizen | because the style doesn't come from the event | 06:38 |
| @rizen | it comes from the calendar | 06:38 |
| @preaction | right | 06:38 |
| @preaction | oh, while i have your strict attention: Would it be prudent to allow an asset to have a definition w/o a table name or a properties hashref? currently it's not allowed, but if you want to subclass and call it something different in the New Content accordian, you have to make a definition, which requires a table/properties | 06:43 |
| @rizen | nope, it's required for a good reason | 06:44 |
| +perlDreamer | cuz if you leave it out, he'll cut off yer thumbs | 06:49 |
| @preaction | in case the superclass changes? so that nobody tries to do something stupid with the properties hashref? i assume it's for a "stop author stupidity" problem and not a technical problem | 06:49 |
| @preaction | of course, the code required to check would be rather ugly | 06:49 |
| @rizen | i just thought i'd leave you hanging | 06:49 |
| @rizen | you don't actually need to know the good reason, do you? | 06:50 |
| +perlDreamer | can't hang him, he won't have no thumbs | 06:50 |
| @rizen | cuz if you ask, then it means you don't trust me | 06:50 |
| @preaction | unless one made a series of getDefinition* subs in WebGUI::Asset that could get things like "tableName" => [ column names ] | 06:50 |
| +perlDreamer | guess there are other things to hang him from | 06:50 |
| @preaction | i'm from missouri | 06:50 |
| @preaction | but you can show me later | 06:50 |
| @rizen | missouri = misery | 06:50 |
| @rizen | or do you say it like = mizoruh | 06:51 |
| @preaction | basically thus: I'd like to call my subclassed asset something different, allow it to co-exist with the superclass, but that requires a basically useless table with assetId and revisionDate | 06:51 |
| @rizen | the good reason is this, while right now you may think to yourself, self, i don't need to add any fields to this thing. the reality of the situation is that you can never think that far ahead, therefore by creating the table now, and therefore having assetId and revisionDate in that table collecting data for revisiions, you can quickly and easily add properties later without a big fuck around operation | 06:52 |
| @preaction | stop author stupidity, got it | 06:53 |
| @preaction | which means instead of code allowing no tableName, i'll end up making code that croaks without one | 06:54 |
| @preaction | (more diagnostically interesting than "cannot use BLAH as a HASH ref" or "cannot execute prepared statement: 'insert into (assetId, revisionDate) values ()" | 06:54 |
| @rizen | i'm hoping to eventually get rid of all asset tables other than asset and assetData | 06:56 |
| @rizen | oh, and assetIndex | 06:56 |
| @preaction | do that data structure thing you were talking about a while back? | 06:56 |
| @rizen | yup | 06:56 |
| @rizen | so much to do and so little time though | 06:57 |
| @preaction | i'm still against it, it would render SQLReports basically useless for a large part of what people use them for | 06:57 |
| @preaction | or force to use regexp to parse whatever serialization we decided on | 06:57 |
| @rizen | true, but i don't care | 06:57 |
| @rizen | cuz what i'm interested in is performance | 06:58 |
| @rizen | if i can double the speed of asset operations, at the cost of using SQL reports in some circumstances...so be it | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | we'd just invent the AssetReport instead | 06:59 |
| @rizen | true dat | 06:59 |
| @rizen | someone was already talking about subclassing the nav asset to do that | 06:59 |
| @preaction | me | 06:59 |
| @rizen | oh, right | 07:00 |
| @preaction | the fastest (in cycles) way would probably be to use Storable qw(canonical);, and with an AssetReport wobject with a decent interface, we put more power in user's hands AND have faster asset instanciation | 07:01 |
| * preaction approves | 07:01 | |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: are we seeing a whole new class of bugs related to browser caching on the list? | 07:05 |
| +perlDreamer | misreported login names | 07:05 |
| +perlDreamer | xtopher file download | 07:05 |
| +perlDreamer | misja's last-modified bug | 07:05 |
| @rizen | maybe, but i doubt it | 07:06 |
| @rizen | i don't think xtophers is cache related | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I can't duplicate it | 07:07 |
| @rizen | no idea on capmorgan | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what made me start wondering | 07:07 |
| @rizen | and misja's is a bug i knew about | 07:07 |
| @rizen | that was caused by my new cache fix | 07:07 |
| @rizen | but at the time i couldn't figure out how to fix it | 07:07 |
| @rizen | and my fix + the new bug, was better than the old bug | 07:08 |
| @rizen | for 99% of users | 07:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not saying we should go back to the old way | 07:08 |
| @rizen | i don't think xtopher's is even a bug | 07:08 |
| @rizen | i think whatever problem he's having is due to his local environment | 07:09 |
| +perlDreamer | he's said he's done it twice | 07:09 |
| @rizen | i don't care what he's said | 07:09 |
| @rizen | do you *ever* trust what a user says? | 07:09 |
| +perlDreamer | yes and no | 07:09 |
| @rizen | i never do | 07:09 |
| @rizen | because without fail, they lie | 07:09 |
| @rizen | and they misinterpret | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | misinterpret, yes | 07:10 |
| @rizen | user's are ultimately unreliable witnesses | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | miscommunicate | 07:10 |
| @rizen | and lie | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | exaggerate | 07:10 |
| @rizen | i'll give you an example | 07:10 |
| @rizen | we trust ckotil, right? | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 07:10 |
| @rizen | i trust him too | 07:10 |
| @rizen | he's a good user | 07:10 |
| @rizen | however, he lied to me when i was working a bug with him | 07:10 |
| @rizen | i asked how many perls he had on his box | 07:11 |
| @rizen | he said 1 | 07:11 |
| @rizen | yet, when you asked him the same question an hour later on irc | 07:11 |
| @rizen | he said 2 | 07:11 |
| @rizen | now, in this case, i think the lie was because he was sure that the second perl wasn't having anything to do with the problem | 07:11 |
| @rizen | but it's still a lie | 07:11 |
| +perlDreamer | did that ever get resolved? | 07:12 |
| @rizen | he wasn't doing it to be mischievous | 07:12 |
| @rizen | he was doing it to direct my focus down the path that he wanted me to look | 07:12 |
| @rizen | users do that all the time | 07:12 |
| @rizen | it's human nature | 07:12 |
| @rizen | i've done it with tech support people before too | 07:13 |
| @rizen | what's a little white lie if you get what you want | 07:13 |
| @rizen | =) | 07:13 |
| @rizen | no, it didn't get resolved | 07:13 |
| @rizen | without logging into his box, i could go no further. so he said since it was a dev box, he'd just reinstall and see if that fixed it | 07:13 |
| @rizen | i can tell you that i catch at least one user in a lie every single week | 07:15 |
| @rizen | and it's almost never malicious | 07:15 |
| @rizen | it's about putting blinders on me so they can try to focus me in whatever direction they want me to go | 07:15 |
| @rizen | but the problem is, that they misinterpreted something to make them think the problem is over there | 07:15 |
| @rizen | and then now i don't know about all these other things over here | 07:15 |
| @rizen | and i can't give them good support | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | They're so caught up in the details they can't back up to see the whole thing. | 07:17 |
| @rizen | right. i don't hold it against them. but when you're supporting someone, it's good to know that little truth about people. | 07:18 |
| @rizen | because if you do, you tend to hold open doors that they are trying to force closed | 07:18 |
| @rizen | and you end up being able to provide better support | 07:18 |
| +perlDreamer | so only trust them as far as you can smell them | 07:19 |
| @rizen | nope...don't trust them at all | 07:19 |
| @rizen | have them perform tasks | 07:19 |
| @rizen | and report back results | 07:19 |
| @rizen | so you have facts | 07:19 |
| @rizen | occasionally i've even caught users tampering with the output of commands that i've had them run | 07:19 |
| @rizen | but that is not very often | 07:20 |
| @rizen | you can usually rely upon the output | 07:20 |
| +perlDreamer | ls ~rizen | 07:28 |
| +perlDreamer | bin | 07:29 |
| +perlDreamer | boozeList | 07:29 |
| +perlDreamer | clientelle | 07:29 |
| +perlDreamer | crapper@ | 07:29 |
| +perlDreamer | dev | 07:29 |
| +perlDreamer | emerge | 07:29 |
| +perlDreamer | fubar | 07:30 |
| @rizen | null -> /dev/null | 07:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll just try to dupe the bugs and ask them for a recipe if I can't | 07:31 |
| @rizen | huh? | 07:32 |
| @rizen | oh, are you referring to xtopher's bug? | 07:32 |
| +perlDreamer | all of them | 07:33 |
| @rizen | colin, you should know by now that you should do whatever it is that you want to do | 07:33 |
| @rizen | anything you do is better than something you don't do | 07:34 |
| @rizen | =) | 07:34 |
| +perlDreamer | I know, but I'm at a loss as to handle a lot of the bugs on the list | 07:34 |
| +perlDreamer | Most times, I can figure out a bug by reading the report | 07:34 |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has joined #webgui | 07:34 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ | 07:34 | |
| +perlDreamer | Every once in a while, I have to duplicate it exactly and then add lots o' errorHandler stuff | 07:35 |
| +perlDreamer | but most of the stuff on there now has me stumped | 07:35 |
| +perlDreamer | can't dupe | 07:35 |
| +perlDreamer | users don't respond back | 07:35 |
| +perlDreamer | or, in the case of the email server thing, I can't test my fix | 07:35 |
| @rizen | you do close the bug when you reply, right? | 07:35 |
| +perlDreamer | not usually. Should that be standard procedure from now on? | 07:35 |
| @rizen | if you can't dupe, and that forces you to ask for more information | 07:36 |
| @rizen | then you should always close the bug at the time that you ask for that info | 07:36 |
| @rizen | it will automatically reopen if the user replies | 07:36 |
| +perlDreamer | you've said that before, I should have remembered it | 07:38 |
| @vayde | perlDreamer, This is Nik. Thanks again for your help. | 07:39 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, nik! You're welcome | 07:39 |
| +perlDreamer | if you're looking for a more challenging bug, try the one from susanb about Post replies not incrementing correctly. | 07:42 |
| +perlDreamer | that's stumped, me, rizen and preaction | 07:43 |
| @vayde | Oh great, the gods fail, and mere mortals must dare? | 07:44 |
| @vayde | I'll get it. Might take a while. I'm taking baby steps at the moment | 07:44 |
| +perlDreamer | we all stand on the shoulders of giants, but ware, lest Atlas shrug | 07:47 |
| +perlDreamer | 'night all | 07:56 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit [""""] | 07:57 | |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 08:18 | |
| -!- cga [n=cga@213-140-6-101.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit ["90% of the problems that people have with GNU/Linux are to impute to Windows."] | 10:33 | |
| -!- cga [n=cga@213-140-6-101.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #webgui | 10:36 | |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] | 11:12 | |
| -!- besonen_mobile [n=besonen_@71-220-225-182.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #webgui | 11:41 | |
| -!- besonen_mobile_ [n=besonen_@71-220-225-182.eugn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 11:42 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] | 11:45 | |
| -!- cga [n=cga@213-140-6-101.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit ["90% of the problems that people have with GNU/Linux are to impute to Windows."] | 13:29 | |
| -!- cga [n=cga@213-140-6-101.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #webgui | 19:18 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 21:29 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 21:29 | |
| @preaction | http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/index.html?view=1174329819-shoryukenou0.jpg <- yesterday was caturday. represent | 22:36 |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has joined #webgui | 22:42 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ | 22:42 | |
| -!- cga [n=cga@213-140-6-101.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit ["90% of the problems that people have with GNU/Linux are to impute to Windows."] | 23:50 | |
| --- Day changed Mon Mar 26 2007 | ||
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has quit ["Leaving"] | 02:22 | |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has joined #webgui | 02:23 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ | 02:23 | |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] | 02:35 | |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has joined #webgui | 02:36 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ | 02:36 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] | 02:38 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui | 03:15 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit [Read error: 148 (No route to host)] | 03:48 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui | 04:18 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] | 05:41 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui | 05:43 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 06:08 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 06:08 | |
| -!- vayde_ [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has joined #webgui | 06:18 | |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 06:18 | |
| -!- vayde_ [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] | 06:34 | |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has joined #webgui | 06:34 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ | 06:34 | |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 07:41 | |
| Radix-wrk | preaction: who usually rates the RFE's? rizen? | 08:04 |
| @preaction | rizen | 08:05 |
| Radix-wrk | the RFE I added on the 21st still needs to be rated - http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/additional-post-template-variables-for-cs#Vqh5yCK93ub8YQWAxbgfXA | 08:05 |
| Radix-wrk | k, I'll mention it to him then next time I see him | 08:05 |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] | 11:14 | |
| -!- cga [n=cga@213-140-6-101.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #webgui | 13:40 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 14:13 | |
| -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Radix_ | 14:52 | |
| -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Hinrik, ckotil, perlbot, cga, nuba, pjesi, @preaction, besonen_mobile | 15:04 | |
| -!- Netsplit over, joins: @preaction, Radix_, cga, besonen_mobile, Hinrik, ckotil, perlbot, pjesi, nuba | 15:08 | |
| -!- ckotil [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 15:29 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@204.sub-75-204-227.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI | 15:40 | |
| SDuensin | Good morning. | 15:43 |
| -!- AMH_bob [n=chatzill@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui | 16:10 | |
| nuba | @ http://www.plainblack.com/wre/installing , "Look in your porcess list to see if it's running", s/porcess/process/ | 17:48 |
| -!- AMH_bob [n=chatzill@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.10/0000000000]"] | 18:11 | |
| -!- ckotil [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has joined #webgui | 18:20 | |
| ckotil | anyone noticing the right most panel in the admin console seems to disappear and works like a hover? the 'show admin console' 'back to site, turn admin off!, logout' | 18:20 |
| ckotil | the entire admin console is exhibiting wierd hover behavior | 18:21 |
| @preaction | ckotil: what browser? probably a site-specific behavior | 18:22 |
| SDuensin | Not me. Then again, I completely broke my test system, so I'm probably not the right guy to ask. :-) | 18:22 |
| ckotil | ff 2.0 | 18:22 |
| ckotil | pry is my browser.. | 18:22 |
| ckotil | i just upgraded it. | 18:22 |
| SDuensin | I notice a few rendering oddities with FF2, but nothing major. | 18:22 |
| @preaction | i've been using FF2.0 for a while | 18:23 |
| ckotil | something wiered is going on. | 18:24 |
| ckotil | safari isnt listing my assets, in the asset manager | 18:25 |
| ckotil | i've an idea on what could be causing it. | 18:25 |
| SDuensin | I've had other weirdness like that... | 18:25 |
| SDuensin | Usually a "rc.webgui restart" fixes it. | 18:25 |
| SDuensin | Don't ask why. | 18:26 |
| ckotil | ok def. a wg issue. | 18:31 |
| ckotil | it happens to me ont he demo site | 18:31 |
| ckotil | im using ff 2.0.0.3 | 18:31 |
| @preaction | safari is not a supported browser for the admin console | 18:33 |
| ckotil | k | 18:33 |
| ckotil | im going to file a bug report | 18:34 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has joined #webgui | 19:30 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 19:30 | |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has joined #webgui | 19:31 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ | 19:31 | |
| -!- bopbop [n=kristi@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 19:42 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] | 20:12 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 20:36 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 20:36 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 22:14 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 22:14 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 22:14 | |
| SDuensin | Been very quiet in here today. | 22:41 |
| ckotil | thats a good thing! | 22:57 |
| ckotil | no problems | 22:57 |
| SDuensin | Speak for yourself. I can't get the WRE to run for anything today. | 23:01 |
| ckotil | shitty | 23:01 |
| SDuensin | I installed the Ubuntu WRE like always, got wG loaded from a mirror, ran testEnvironment and let it update some things... | 23:03 |
| SDuensin | Spectre won't keep running. Can't connect. | 23:03 |
| SDuensin | Kinda looks like the web server dies, too. | 23:04 |
| SDuensin | WTF?! | 23:04 |
| -!- bopbop [n=kristi@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 23:11 | |
| SDuensin | I don't get it. It just won't run. :-/ | 23:13 |
| SDuensin | Makes me scared to upgrade my 7.3.12 install at home. | 23:14 |
| ckotil | you have a backup to revert to? | 23:14 |
| SDuensin | Not here, this is a clean install. | 23:14 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui | 23:27 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ | 23:27 | |
| -!- bopbop [n=kristi@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 23:34 | |
| -!- cga [n=cga@213-140-6-101.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit ["90% of the problems that people have with GNU/Linux are to impute to Windows."] | 23:34 | |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: you need to set up bopbop's account so that she gets op'ed when she enters the channel | 23:41 |
| @preaction | bopbop needs to register with nickserv | 23:41 |
| bopbop | did | 23:41 |
| @preaction | oh | 23:41 |
| bopbop | I think... | 23:41 |
| @preaction | bopbop: rejoin the chanel (/part /join #webgui) | 23:42 |
| @vayde | SDuensin, ask rizen about it when he's in next. He had to play some games to get my dev enviornment up on my Ubuntu box, but I don't know exactly what he did. | 23:42 |
| SDuensin | Ok, vayde - thanks. | 23:42 |
| SDuensin | I'm headed home now, so I'll screw with it more later. | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | you could also check the wiki | 23:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | SDuensin | 23:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | I have a ubuntu 6.10 tar ball | 23:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | a wre tarball for 6.10 that is | 23:43 |
| SDuensin | Never had a problem before. | 23:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh ok | 23:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | just came in | 23:44 |
| -!- bopbop [n=kristi@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has left #webgui [] | 23:44 | |
| -!- bopbop [n=kristi@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 23:44 | |
| +MrHairgrease | didn't catch the other conversation | 23:44 |
| SDuensin | I'll be back later. :-) | 23:44 |
| SDuensin | See ya! | 23:44 |
| -!- bopbop [n=kristi@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has left #webgui [] | 23:44 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@204.sub-75-204-227.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 23:44 | |
| +MrHairgrease | later | 23:44 |
| @vayde | bye | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | MHg, SDuensin was having problems getting apache and spectre to start up on Ubuntu | 23:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | never had that | 23:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | ubuntu does start its own apache by default though | 23:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | But i reckon he already checked that | 23:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | or fixed his init | 23:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | anybody working on an acme thingy? | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | no comment | 23:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | no time? | 23:51 |
| * perlDreamer is ashamed | 23:52 | |
| +perlDreamer | no time | 23:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's too bad | 23:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | you are developer of the year | 23:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | why waste time fixing bugs | 23:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | when you can waste it on stuff thta doesn't do anything =) | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I am co-developer of the year, with you, my friend | 23:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 23:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | but i haven't done that much this year | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | you still have 6 months to go | 23:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's true | 23:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | but this graduation thing just eats up almost all of my time | 23:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | and at oqapi i have too much client stuff going on | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | school and work are both important. It's good that you make them priorities. | 23:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | Now you're just being very dad like =) | 23:56 |
| ckotil | neither pay the bills | 23:56 |
| ckotil | o wait | 23:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | see it like this | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I am a dad. Didn't know it was rubbing off in other venues | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | by the way, stop grabbing your pants and go to th bathroom | 23:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | ha | 23:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | are you getting dirty? | 23:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | no, that's that I tell my 5-year old every night | 23:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | sure | 23:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | sure | 23:58 |
| --- Day changed Tue Mar 27 2007 | ||
| +MrHairgrease | hey perldreamer | 00:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | could this bug | 00:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/last-reply-and-replies-columns-not-updating#bT9Q1wDMLnB80RratGbS9A | 00:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | be caused by the two seperate time() functiuons | 00:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | in the definition sub? | 00:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | s/functiuons/calls/ | 00:18 |
| nuba | question | 00:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | they could be different | 00:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | shoot | 00:19 |
| nuba | oops, wrong channel | 00:19 |
| nuba | heh sorry | 00:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | even better =) | 00:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | np | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, I don't think so | 00:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 00:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | it was just a wild guess anyway | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | we actually outfitted PB.com with some extra logging code, and when the child post is created, the times are okay | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | when it is committed, the times are okay | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | that's all we know so far | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | ok meaning equal | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | but it couldn't hurt to try it out | 00:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | buit the report says that ion some cases both times are not equal | 00:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | anyway | 00:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | it should still be fixed | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I agree | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | there is a way to test your theory, but we'd need the elite hacking skills of preaction | 00:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | the chance of both time()s being diffrent is extremely small | 00:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | you don't | 00:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | just put $now at the top of definition() | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | do you happen to have a high traffic site sitting around that you're willing to guinea pig to test it out? | 00:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | $now = time() | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | dude, I get that | 00:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | i don't | 00:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | sry | 00:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | didn'tmean to belittle you =) | 00:27 |
| @preaction | i still think it has something to do with the addRevision override in Post and Thread | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | what I meant was that preaction or rizen could hack it into the wG isntall on PB and we could know in 24 hours if it worked or not | 00:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 00:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | ic | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | that's all I meant. wasn't being defensive | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | and I agree that it should be fixed in any case | 00:28 |
| @preaction | ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY CALM DOWN | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | are you game for some PB hackery, preaction? | 00:28 |
| @preaction | who stole the catsup? | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | MHG has a theory about the post reply bug | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | sub def in Post.pm calls time twice | 00:29 |
| @preaction | ooooooooh | 00:29 |
| @preaction | that's bad | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | can you hack PB.com's version and tomorrow we can see if there are any new/bad posts in the boards? | 00:29 |
| @preaction | do we still have that debug crapola running? | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | seems like we were getting at least 5-6 bad thread/posts per day when we looked at it last | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | probably | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | it should be removed | 00:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | shouldn't you let it in place while testing? | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | it never gave us any good data | 00:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | while bad posts were being inputted it said everything was okay | 00:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | ic | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | anyway, preaction, if you'd do a baseline SQLReport today, and another tomorrow after the hack, we'd know if that was the problem | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | for which, I vote that MHG be given his weight in beer and pomade | 00:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's too much | 00:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll settle for the beer =) | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | isn't pomade more expensive, per ounce? | 00:32 |
| @preaction | what was the query we were using? what's the problem, that dateSubmitted and date... something aren't both the same for posts that have no replies? | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | no, dateSubmitted and dateUpdated start to differ to the reply counter doesn't get updated | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't remember the exact query | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | we'd need to try the IRC logs | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | you had a slick query that you ran against the db to ask it | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | it would have been in february | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | feb 2 | 00:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | pd, it is, but i use only about half a can a month... | 00:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | which is no quite my beer consuption =) | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: we talked about your query, but it's never listed anywhere | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | we pasted it a few times | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | but those pastes have probably been wiped offline by now | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | our converation is here | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | http://mentalhouse.net/irc/logs/webgui/2007-02.log | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | and you can search for this string to locate it | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | of course it's near impossible to read | 00:57 |
| @preaction | i've got a query that'll do it | 01:01 |
| @preaction | 1979 posts have a dateUpdated / dateSubmitted of less than two seconds difference | 01:01 |
| @preaction | seems impossible to me, unless it's a bug | 01:01 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, MrHairgrease: it's in Post that I want to change, correct? | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the one | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | sub def | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | 1 call to time and use the variable in both places | 01:05 |
| @preaction | 1979 rows, i updated the Post on pb.com, we'll see | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to do a quick code audit to see if that happens anywhere else in a def sub | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | the others look fine | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I did see some cases where time is called inside of a loop as a reference | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | but that will just be bad display, not introducing problems | 01:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | in this case the max diff induced by the two time() calls can be 1 sec | 01:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | so if you have two somewhere | 01:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | this isn't the (complete) solution | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | you'd sure think so, but in the tests we've increased the limit for checking time difference up to 2 or 3 | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | server load can make a big difference, which is scary | 01:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 01:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | but | 01:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | the calls are directly after each other | 01:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | if server load causes more than 2 secs of diff | 01:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | you've got bigger problems | 01:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | anyway | 01:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | gotta | 01:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | go | 01:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | later guys\ | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | later, man | 01:21 |
| * perlDreamer will be back in 20 | 01:26 | |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] | 01:26 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI | 02:05 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has quit [""""] | 02:55 | |
| -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 03:28 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui | 03:46 | |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 04:50 | |
| -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@202.72.155.2] has joined #webgui | 05:07 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 05:08 | |
| -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@202.72.155.2] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 05:08 | |
| -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@formsys.com] has joined #webgui | 05:09 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui | 05:19 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 05:20 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@formsys.com] has joined #webgui | 05:22 | |
| +perlDreamer | you're getting a little schizo there Radix-wo?rk | 05:23 |
| -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@formsys.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 05:24 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@formsys.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 05:43 | |
| +perlDreamer | are there any web designers in the room? | 05:47 |
| +perlDreamer | someone is reporting a bug where they create an image asset | 05:48 |
| +perlDreamer | then upload a new image, with the same name to the asset | 05:48 |
| +perlDreamer | and for a while, they still see the original imgae | 05:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think this is a webgui bug, but browser caching settings | 05:48 |
| +perlDreamer | i.e., the browser checks the file name and says Hey, I already have that one | 05:48 |
| +perlDreamer | so it doesn't download the new one | 05:49 |
| +perlDreamer | anyone seen that before? | 05:49 |
| +perlDreamer | You know, I only ask questions like this because snapcount's crickets get lonely | 05:51 |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@formsys.com] has joined #webgui | 05:52 | |
| Radix-wrk | yeah, a little schitzo.. trying to fix one of our adsl links atm :) | 05:52 |
| +perlDreamer | ah | 05:54 |
| +perlDreamer | you ever seen a bug where you upload a new file with an old file name and your browser ignores it? | 05:55 |
| nuba | yes, cache, agreed. | 05:58 |
| nuba | i usually fix that with ctrl+r in my firefox browser | 05:58 |
| +perlDreamer | so there isn't anything wG can do to fix it. | 06:06 |
| Radix-wrk | no, its a local cache problem i would have thought | 06:09 |
| nuba | thats set by browser.cache.check_doc_frequency on firefox. 1 = Every time I view the page, 0 = Once per session, 3 = When the page is out of date (default), 2 = Never (http://www.mozilla.org/quality/networking/docs/netprefs.html) | 06:22 |
| +perlDreamer | IE has similar settings? | 06:22 |
| nuba | possibly, some random setting buried in the registry | 06:23 |
| nuba | or maybe some setting at IE's user preferences dialogs | 06:25 |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 06:28 | |
| -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@202.72.155.2] has joined #webgui | 06:45 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@formsys.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 06:46 | |
| -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@202.72.155.2] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 06:47 | |
| -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@formsys.com] has joined #webgui | 06:47 | |
| -!- Radix-w [n=Jesse@202.72.155.2] has joined #webgui | 06:48 | |
| -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@formsys.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 06:48 | |
| +perlDreamer | in | 06:48 |
| +perlDreamer | out | 06:48 |
| +perlDreamer | in | 06:48 |
| +perlDreamer | out | 06:48 |
| +perlDreamer | you're making me dizzy! | 06:48 |
| -!- Radix-w [n=Jesse@202.72.155.2] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 06:48 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@formsys.com] has joined #webgui | 06:51 | |
| Hinrik | does sex make you dizzy too? | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I should have said enter/exit, but I suppose the connotation is the same | 06:58 |
| Hinrik | :) | 06:59 |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has joined #webgui | 07:10 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ | 07:10 | |
| +perlDreamer | good luck bug hunting? | 07:23 |
| @vayde | Luck? No. Was I able to follow your breadcrumbs? Yes. | 07:28 |
| @vayde | I spent the day learning why your advice was the solution. | 07:29 |
| @vayde | I thought I was pretty ok at perl until I saw some of the coolness going on in WebGUI. Now I feel a little small. | 07:30 |
| Radix-wrk | hehe | 07:31 |
| +perlDreamer | dude, don't let it get you down | 07:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I started off writing documentation patches | 07:37 |
| +perlDreamer | that was three years ago | 07:37 |
| @vayde | well, there's an old chinese saying: If he goes step by step, even a lame tortoise can walk a mile. | 07:39 |
| @vayde | that may be me for a little bit, but not for too long | 07:39 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen says you show a lot of promise | 07:40 |
| +perlDreamer | from him that is high praise | 07:40 |
| @vayde | that makes me feel a little better. | 07:40 |
| +perlDreamer | after you make your first big mistake, it will go easier | 07:41 |
| @vayde | lol | 07:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I broke the entire wG GUI in November of 2005 | 07:41 |
| +perlDreamer | it was broken in various pieces for three weeks | 07:41 |
| @vayde | yeah, after the world doesn't end, you get some perspective | 07:41 |
| @vayde | ouch | 07:41 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction started early with the calendar | 07:41 |
| @vayde | I hope not to nosedive that spectacularly | 07:41 |
| @vayde | then again, crashing with style is cool | 07:42 |
| +perlDreamer | Yeah, I'm (in)famous | 07:42 |
| @vayde | well, I'll say this, PlainBlack, and all of you are one hell of a group to get in with. I'm really impressed | 07:43 |
| +perlDreamer | It's a good community. | 07:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Why don't you tell us about yourself? | 07:43 |
| @vayde | heh. Ok. I'm a kung fu instructor. | 07:44 |
| @vayde | and I do perl | 07:44 |
| +perlDreamer | that's an unusual combination | 07:44 |
| @vayde | I had to learn it to make software for my studio. There wasn't much in the way of martial arts software | 07:44 |
| @vayde | I'm an unusual guy | 07:45 |
| +perlDreamer | you'll fit in well here, then | 07:45 |
| @vayde | I started out as a theater major, dropped out of school to do bird of prey demonstrations at the San Antonio Zoo | 07:45 |
| @vayde | ended back in MN as a truck driver and a locksmith | 07:46 |
| @vayde | Got hired as a tech support guy for a small law firm, and ended up as the head of IT | 07:46 |
| @vayde | for a little while until the firm dissolved to duck some of it's debts | 07:47 |
| @vayde | I started with perl in 2000, but wasn't super serious until a couple years ago | 07:47 |
| @vayde | My first studio software was written in MsAccess, and kept crashing whenever they updated somethign. couldn't do business that way. switched to linux and rewrote the baby 4 times in perl | 07:48 |
| @vayde | now it humms, or I thought it did until I saw wG. | 07:49 |
| @vayde | that too looks a little small now. ;) | 07:49 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI is pretty cool | 07:50 |
| @vayde | I dunno, that's about it. I stand around in my pajamas during the evenings and hit stuff. | 07:50 |
| @vayde | and now I'm trying to get up to speed on WebGUI | 07:51 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a lot to learn | 07:51 |
| +perlDreamer | assets, templates, macros, users, groups | 07:51 |
| @vayde | hopefully I will be able to feel like I'm contributing soon, and not like the idiot son | 07:51 |
| +perlDreamer | typical uptime for any new job is 2-3 months | 07:51 |
| +perlDreamer | and JT's thrown you in headfirst | 07:52 |
| +perlDreamer | plus you have the whole channel to back you up, as well as the PB staff | 07:52 |
| +perlDreamer | and they're all good guys | 07:52 |
| @vayde | that's good to hear. I'm not used to working for others. | 07:53 |
| @vayde | this is the first totally programming job I've had. It's pretty overwhelming. | 07:54 |
| @vayde | Fun though. I'm learning alot | 07:54 |
| +perlDreamer | would you like to kick around an idea with me? | 07:57 |
| +perlDreamer | JT's okayed an RFE to allow users to transfer karma between one another. | 07:57 |
| @vayde | sure. hit me | 07:57 |
| +perlDreamer | the code itself is easy | 07:57 |
| +perlDreamer | but the hard part is the UI for the user | 07:57 |
| +perlDreamer | it should be very light weight and easy to implement | 07:58 |
| @vayde | Ok, you gotta back up for a second though. What exactly is karma? | 07:58 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: karma? | 07:58 |
| perlbot | pass out karma to those who deserve it (GumbyBRAIN++) and retract it from those who don't (satan--) | 07:58 |
| +perlDreamer | wrong kind of karma | 07:58 |
| +perlDreamer | http://plainblack.com/karma | 07:58 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a way of recognizing user contributions to a site | 07:59 |
| +perlDreamer | posting to discussion boards, voting in polls, uploading content, etc. | 07:59 |
| @vayde | Ok, that's what I gathered from context. | 07:59 |
| @vayde | and users can basically reward each other | 08:00 |
| +perlDreamer | that part is currently missing | 08:00 |
| +perlDreamer | but it would be good for users to thank one another | 08:00 |
| +perlDreamer | right now it only comes from PB staff and the system | 08:00 |
| @vayde | sure. I follow | 08:00 |
| +perlDreamer | so a way needs to be invented to make it easy for users to do this | 08:01 |
| +perlDreamer | without burdening the system with more template variables | 08:01 |
| @vayde | adapting the staff/system mechanism would carry too much overhead? | 08:01 |
| +perlDreamer | staff mechanism is via direct db inserts | 08:01 |
| +perlDreamer | the system mechanism is a little too simple, since it always knows which user it's working on | 08:02 |
| +perlDreamer | $session->user (default session user) | 08:02 |
| +perlDreamer | what doesn't exist is a way for a user to give karma to an arbitrary other user | 08:02 |
| +perlDreamer | here's one example | 08:02 |
| +perlDreamer | we could add a new template variable to the Collaboration System | 08:03 |
| +perlDreamer | but it's already huge and adding new things just slows it down | 08:03 |
| +perlDreamer | and that only does that one Asset. | 08:03 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be better to find a way to get them all at once. | 08:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm leaning on extending the user profile interface. | 08:03 |
| +perlDreamer | op=viewProfile | 08:04 |
| +perlDreamer | right now, it either displays the other user's profile or gives you a warning that the profile isn't viewable. | 08:04 |
| +perlDreamer | but it would be easy to add a small form that says: Give this user ______ karma. | 08:04 |
| @vayde | what about a public/private profile for a user? | 08:05 |
| +perlDreamer | if the user's profile was public, the karma transfer form would be added to the top of it | 08:06 |
| +perlDreamer | if it was private, it would be placed just below the message that says it is private | 08:06 |
| @vayde | you mean putting a form on the profile itself where you could transfer karma to that user? | 08:07 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 08:08 |
| @vayde | like a mailbox basically | 08:08 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 08:08 |
| @vayde | or a tin cup | 08:08 |
| +perlDreamer | the other option is to create a Give user (from select list) this much karma: ____. | 08:08 |
| +perlDreamer | but the select list would be huge and slow. | 08:08 |
| +perlDreamer | it's more generic but the user select list is nasty | 08:09 |
| @vayde | yeah. If its not convenient it won't be used | 08:09 |
| @vayde | Hmm. I didn't realize that the profiles were private. My first look at wG was as an admin. | 08:10 |
| @vayde | I'm surprised there isn't a small public portion of a user profile. Seems like there should be one. | 08:11 |
| +perlDreamer | profile are either totally private or totally public. | 08:12 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be a cool RFE to add that particular feature | 08:12 |
| @vayde | that seems like the best way to implement your idea to me. | 08:13 |
| @vayde | we could even get fancy and let you decide which parts you wanted on which side of the wall. | 08:14 |
| @vayde | though that might get ugly to implement | 08:14 |
| +perlDreamer | it shouldn't be harder than an additional db column for each entry and more logic | 08:15 |
| +perlDreamer | but that would be a separate RFE | 08:15 |
| +perlDreamer | and I'm only cleared for the karma one right now | 08:15 |
| @vayde | easiest way to do that imo would put a small public header on the profile. | 08:17 |
| @vayde | of course, I'm saying that without any knowledge of how the critter is put together. | 08:17 |
| +perlDreamer | no, I think that would be it exactly | 08:17 |
| +perlDreamer | the user profile display code is in Operation/Profile.pm | 08:18 |
| +perlDreamer | www_viewProfile | 08:18 |
| @vayde | what are the group numbers in there? and where is that data stored? | 08:20 |
| +perlDreamer | in the groups table | 08:20 |
| +perlDreamer | group 1 is Visitor | 08:20 |
| +perlDreamer | group 2 is Registered Users | 08:20 |
| +perlDreamer | group 3 is Admin | 08:20 |
| +perlDreamer | group 7 is Everyone (I think) | 08:20 |
| +perlDreamer | select groupId, groupName from groups order by groupId; | 08:20 |
| @vayde | aha thanks | 08:22 |
| @vayde | that's been my biggest problem so far. Where do I find X? | 08:23 |
| @vayde | and of course the DBI calls are a wee bit disguised. | 08:23 |
| +perlDreamer | just a bit | 08:23 |
| +perlDreamer | are you familiar with the placeholder syntax? | 08:23 |
| @vayde | yes | 08:24 |
| +perlDreamer | we've been working on converting as much of it as we can over to using placeholders | 08:24 |
| @vayde | is there a way to cheat and use placeholders for things like fieldnames? | 08:25 |
| +perlDreamer | like select ? from table where field=value? | 08:25 |
| @vayde | I realize the db can't prepare the query like that, but I wonder if there's a workaround | 08:25 |
| @vayde | yeah like that. I | 08:25 |
| +perlDreamer | only by interpreting varialbes into the query | 08:25 |
| +perlDreamer | select $field from table where field=value | 08:26 |
| @vayde | right, but that's just what placeholders allow us NOT to do | 08:26 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, but perl will always allow you to shoot yourself in the foot | 08:26 |
| @vayde | I suppose only thing to do is pull the fieldname out of a hash, that way it should barf if injected, but I was wondering if there was a more elegant solution | 08:27 |
| @vayde | well, you gotta practice your aim somehow! | 08:27 |
| @vayde | here's a noobish quesion: If I chown my dev version of wG to my userid, am I gonna break it? (I realize the mysql parts need to be owned by mysql) | 08:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I suppose that if *everything* was run by your userId, it should work | 08:53 |
| +perlDreamer | apache, and the whole 9 yards | 08:53 |
| @vayde | I suppose I can just do the WebGUI tree. I'm getting sick of typing 'sudo svn ...' | 08:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I use screen and pop open a shell where I sudo su - | 08:54 |
| Radix-wrk | apache uses a port address below 1024 though which cannot be started unless the user is root | 08:56 |
| @vayde | I could just do that I suppose. I just get nervous leaving root terminals sitting around | 08:57 |
| Radix-wrk | just use sudo su | 08:57 |
| +perlDreamer | speaking of committing, don't forget to commit any bug fixes before the release tomorrow | 08:57 |
| +perlDreamer | uh, Wednesday | 08:58 |
| @vayde | right. bug fix releases every wed? | 08:58 |
| +perlDreamer | usually | 08:59 |
| +perlDreamer | catch you guys tomorrow! | 09:00 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit [""""] | 09:00 | |
| @vayde | I'm off too. Night all, and thanks for the help! | 09:11 |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] | 09:11 | |
| -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui | 11:27 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@formsys.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 11:50 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 14:06 | |
| -!- AMH_bob [n=chatzill@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui | 14:37 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@177.sub-75-206-97.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI | 15:59 | |
| SDuensin | Good morning | 15:59 |
| ckotil | hello | 16:02 |
| SDuensin | Never did get my dev box working last night. :-( | 16:06 |
| SDuensin | (Had to take time to watch "24" though!) | 16:06 |
| ckotil | it was a good episode | 16:06 |
| ckotil | hacker rainman | 16:07 |
| SDuensin | :-) | 16:08 |
| SDuensin | So, got any ideas as to why I can't run the WRE in development mode? | 16:08 |
| ckotil | not a single one. | 16:11 |
| ckotil | ive never ran the wre | 16:11 |
| ckotil | ive attempted to compile it a few times. each has failed | 16:11 |
| SDuensin | I use it for my "live" sites, but I want another copy for working on macros and such. | 16:13 |
| SDuensin | (This is the Ubuntu one, BTW.) | 16:13 |
| ckotil | yah. i run a dev instance of wG too. | 16:13 |
| SDuensin | I want to finish my ACME entry! | 16:15 |
| SDuensin | Seems when I went to 7.3.12 from 7.3.11 that someone said to update something from CPAN. | 16:15 |
| SDuensin | (I ran testEnvironment and it's happy.) | 16:17 |
| ckotil | have you updated POE lately? | 16:24 |
| ckotil | Weather::Com::Finder | 16:25 |
| SDuensin | WTF is POE? | 16:25 |
| SDuensin | Weather, yes. | 16:25 |
| ckotil | DateTime::TimeZone , POE::Component::IKC , | 16:25 |
| ckotil | those are the modules ive updated recently | 16:26 |
| SDuensin | Any way for me to know what I already have installed? | 16:26 |
| ckotil | im not sure how | 16:27 |
| SDuensin | POE sounds familiar. I'll give that a shot. | 16:29 |
| SDuensin | Eh, I'll give that a shot as soon as I unbreak the networking on that VM. Grr. | 16:35 |
| -!- mindspin [n=mindspin@p54B270D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #webgui | 17:02 | |
| mindspin | hi is it possible to run both WebGUI 5.8.x and WebGUI 7 on the same machine? | 17:03 |
| SDuensin | Yes, but it won't be fun. :-) | 17:04 |
| mindspin | why so? | 17:04 |
| SDuensin | You'll have to change one of them to use different port numbers for everything as well as not want to store it's data in "/data". | 17:04 |
| mindspin | thats not the main problem cause I already have no directory called data ;-) | 17:05 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 17:05 |
| mindspin | the reason is that 5.8 isrunning so smooth an the users are used to it | 17:06 |
| SDuensin | You could load the WRE into /data and just change the port numbers it uses. It would run it's own copies of Perl, Apache, MySQL, etc. | 17:06 |
| mindspin | but I want to try WebGUI7 | 17:06 |
| SDuensin | If you just want to try it, make a demo account on www.plainblack.com. | 17:06 |
| SDuensin | You get full-use of a wG7 install for 24 hours. | 17:06 |
| mindspin | 24 hours is not enough, I want to check it out whenever I have time left :-) | 17:07 |
| mindspin | I'll try it locally | 17:07 |
| SDuensin | FYI, I was a *huge* fan of the 5.x series. Had to leave for technical reasons during the 6.x series. Now that I've played with 7.x, I'm moving EVERYTHING I run back to WebGUI. :-) | 17:07 |
| mindspin | back to 5.8? | 17:08 |
| SDuensin | No, to 7.x. It's VERY nice. | 17:08 |
| mindspin | I am sure it is but I do not want my users to move | 17:09 |
| mindspin | too much teaching needed :-) | 17:09 |
| SDuensin | hehe - I hear ya. | 17:09 |
| SDuensin | One of the guys that used to help me run my 5.x sites is still banging his head against 7. Making progress though! | 17:10 |
| mindspin | the plan is , after testing I want to poit all new users to version 7 | 17:10 |
| mindspin | but let the old ones stay with 5.8 | 17:10 |
| SDuensin | That'll be a hell of an upgrade. :-) | 17:10 |
| mindspin | yup | 17:10 |
| mindspin | I'm gonna test a doubled install.... | 17:11 |
| mindspin | locally | 17:11 |
| SDuensin | What OS are you doing this on? | 17:12 |
| mindspin | debian sarge | 17:12 |
| SDuensin | Close to mine. I'm in Ubuntu. | 17:12 |
| mindspin | maybe ubuntu-server, Iam not sure which I should use | 17:13 |
| mindspin | ubuntu is a bit more up to date :-) | 17:13 |
| SDuensin | If you're going to build a new VM or machine to try this, the Ubuntu 6.06 LTS distro works great with the WRE. | 17:13 |
| mindspin | Iam not sure which, because my mail system is running perfectly under sarge and I've heard that my mail system may fail on ubuntu... | 17:14 |
| SDuensin | You're on your own there. Mail and I don't get along (yet!). | 17:15 |
| mindspin | hehe | 17:15 |
| SDuensin | We *used* to be friends! Not sure what happened. :-) | 17:15 |
| mindspin | http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ | 17:16 |
| -!- bopbop [n=kristi@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 17:16 | |
| mindspin | that's a perfect mail config for me | 17:16 |
| SDuensin | I'm toying with this: http://www.zimbra.com/ | 17:16 |
| mindspin | looks nice | 17:17 |
| mindspin | but is not free in the sense of free beer ;-) | 17:18 |
| ckotil | so're we | 17:18 |
| SDuensin | It's free beer enough for what I need. | 17:19 |
| -!- bopbop_ [n=kristi@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 17:22 | |
| -!- bopbop [n=kristi@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 17:22 | |
| pjesi | what is it? not free but free? | 17:23 |
| SDuensin | There's an "open source" version that is free that lacks a few features of the commercial version. | 17:24 |
| pjesi | interesting | 17:25 |
| SDuensin | The way I look at it, if I do enough business that I need the commercial features, they're welcome to the money for helping me get there. | 17:25 |
| -!- cga [n=cga@213-140-6-101.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #webgui | 17:25 | |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 17:25 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ | 17:25 | |
| pjesi | so is it still good as OSS? | 17:25 |
| SDuensin | Yea. The free parts are OSS. It's all explained somewhere on their site. | 17:26 |
| SDuensin | Morning, cga & rizen | 17:26 |
| cga | hi SDuensin and everybody =) | 17:26 |
| pjesi | hi guys | 17:26 |
| pjesi | SDuensin: yeah Im sure it is, I just wanted to ask you personal opinion if the OSS version is worth it | 17:27 |
| SDuensin | For me, it does everything I need. Only thing I'd like is to be able to change the branding. Not a big deal. | 17:27 |
| pjesi | cant you do that on source level? | 17:28 |
| SDuensin | Technically, yes. But the license forbids it. | 17:29 |
| pjesi | I see | 17:30 |
| pjesi | that is one hell of an open source license | 17:30 |
| pjesi | :) | 17:31 |
| pjesi | ahh it is mozilla license | 17:34 |
| SDuensin | Yea, well, it's not the GPL. Still pretty generous for a small start up like me. | 17:34 |
| pjesi | looks great | 17:35 |
| SDuensin | Quite awhile back I looked into using it. Seems they're keeping up on things. Time to try again. | 17:36 |
| * SDuensin is trying to bring all his hosted services back in-house. | 17:36 | |
| SDuensin | OK, rizen, what's the trick to make the WRE work in development mode on Ubuntu? | 17:38 |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has joined #webgui | 17:39 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ | 17:40 | |
| @rizen | morning everybody | 17:42 |
| @rizen | sd, no trick, just select yes when asked | 17:42 |
| SDuensin | Grrrr. So says you. :-) | 17:43 |
| SDuensin | It hates me. | 17:43 |
| @rizen | we just did it on vayde's ubuntu box last week | 17:43 |
| SDuensin | OK, I'll completely wipe this thing and start over. | 17:43 |
| @rizen | perhaps he has some pointers for you | 17:43 |
| SDuensin | I'm trying to get the last bit of my ACME stuff done. | 17:44 |
| mindspin | are there ubuntu packages of webgui? for installation via apt-get ? | 17:44 |
| SDuensin | mindspin - not that I know of. Been using the WRE. | 17:44 |
| @vayde | There are ubuntu dapper packages available on sf | 17:45 |
| mindspin | cool | 17:45 |
| mindspin | what is sf? | 17:45 |
| @vayde | sourceforge, sorry | 17:46 |
| mindspin | ic | 17:46 |
| @vayde | http://sf.net/projects/pbwebgui | 17:46 |
| mindspin | thanks | 17:46 |
| @vayde | just make sure you sudo su - while you're doing the install | 17:47 |
| @vayde | sudo and sudo bash won't cut it | 17:47 |
| mindspin | i have root log in enabled on my ubuntu server ;-) | 17:47 |
| @vayde | excellent. | 17:48 |
| @vayde | I spent alot of time (and alot of rizen's time) banging my head against that one | 17:48 |
| mindspin | hehe | 17:48 |
| mindspin | I'm used to sudo after being on ubuntu since hoary, but sudo is not handy for remote administration imho | 17:49 |
| pjesi | I always to sudo bash | 17:49 |
| pjesi | ;) | 17:49 |
| @vayde | depends on the task I suppose. I tend to use sudo until I get sick of typing it | 17:50 |
| @vayde | well, something is different between sudo <command> sudo bash and sudo su -. I don't know the particulars, but they end up different in some subtle way | 17:51 |
| -!- bopbop_ [n=kristi@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] | 17:51 | |
| -!- bopbop [n=kristi@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 17:51 | |
| mindspin | what are the advantages of running wre instead of installing it "the old way" i.e. like for 5.xx | 17:52 |
| @vayde | wre is standardized and easier to support | 17:52 |
| -!- bopbop [n=kristi@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 17:52 | |
| -!- bopbop [n=kristi@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 17:53 | |
| -!- bopbop_ [n=kristi@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 17:54 | |
| -!- bopbop [n=kristi@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 17:54 | |
| mindspin | I'm still runnig 5.8 because it works without any problems since 2 years now... | 17:54 |
| @vayde | well, if it isn't broke... | 17:54 |
| mindspin | but I want to try WebGUI7 | 17:54 |
| mindspin | it isnt | 17:55 |
| @vayde | I can't speak to the differences. 7 is my first experience. I'm lobbying pretty heavily for a buddy to get his clients on it though. | 17:55 |
| @vayde | maybe he'll quit bugging me then | 17:56 |
| SDuensin | 7 is an amazing change from 5. | 17:56 |
| mindspin | I#m sure it is | 17:56 |
| mindspin | but as mentioned before, my users are used to 5.8 and I dont want to let them learn everything new ;-) | 17:57 |
| mindspin | I#d like to run both versions on the same machine and pointing new users to 7 after I learned to use it | 17:58 |
| pjesi | what do you guys (or clients) use WG for? | 17:59 |
| mindspin | most use it for their companie's websites | 17:59 |
| SDuensin | I build personal and company sites with it. | 18:00 |
| pjesi | so they use pretty heavily modified templates? | 18:00 |
| mindspin | yupp | 18:00 |
| mindspin | but they are modified by me :-) | 18:00 |
| pjesi | yeah | 18:00 |
| pjesi | that is what I imagined :) | 18:00 |
| SDuensin | Yep. | 18:00 |
| mindspin | my users are just "users" | 18:01 |
| @vayde | mindspin, that's pretty easy to do | 18:01 |
| mindspin | they know how to upload articles, files and pictures | 18:01 |
| -!- AMH_bob [n=chatzill@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.10/0000000000]"] | 18:01 | |
| mindspin | vayde my idea of dual-running? | 18:01 |
| -!- bopbop_ [n=kristi@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] | 18:01 | |
| @vayde | yes | 18:01 |
| mindspin | can you point me to a howto? | 18:02 |
| -!- bopbop [n=kristi@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 18:02 | |
| @vayde | I don't know if there's an official one. | 18:02 |
| @vayde | but I can walk you through it | 18:02 |
| @vayde | download the latest wre, and we can go to town | 18:03 |
| mindspin | ok lets have alook if my testing machine is still on | 18:03 |
| mindspin | can I do it with ip adress instead of name? | 18:04 |
| @vayde | I would think so, but I don't really know. rizen? | 18:04 |
| mindspin | otherwise I have to fix some dns stuff first | 18:04 |
| @vayde | what we did with mine was set it up on localhost, but with alternate ports | 18:05 |
| mindspin | hostnames are mentioned in the WRE description in the wiki | 18:05 |
| @vayde | so it didn't interfere with my normal ubuntu versions of mysql and apache2 | 18:05 |
| mindspin | hehe I'mstill running apache 1.39 | 18:06 |
| @vayde | again, if it's not broke... | 18:06 |
| @vayde | Here's the howto: | 18:07 |
| @vayde | Download the wre | 18:07 |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has left #webgui [] | 18:08 | |
| @vayde | make sure there is no /etc/my.cnf the wre's version of mysql will get confused. Luckily, ubuntu puts my.cnf into /etc/mysql | 18:08 |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 18:08 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ | 18:08 | |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has left #webgui [] | 18:09 | |
| @vayde | make a directory: /data (or whatever) | 18:10 |
| @vayde | extract the wre tarball into it | 18:10 |
| -!- testingkristi [n=jtsmith@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 18:10 | |
| -!- testingkristi [n=jtsmith@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has left #webgui [] | 18:10 | |
| -!- testingkristi [n=jtsmith@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 18:11 | |
| mindspin | still downloading :-) | 18:11 |
| @vayde | go to /data/wre/prereqs and recursively make the mysql directory owned by the user mysql (assuming the user already exists, if not create it) | 18:11 |
| -!- testingkristi [n=jtsmith@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has left #webgui [] | 18:11 | |
| mindspin | ok | 18:11 |
| mindspin | noted | 18:11 |
| -!- testingkristi [n=jtsmith@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 18:11 | |
| @vayde | type the following: . /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment (note space between . and /) | 18:11 |
| -!- testingkristi [n=jtsmith@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has left #webgui [] | 18:11 | |
| @vayde | start up the mysql server with /data/wre/sbin rc.mysql start | 18:12 |
| @vayde | verify it's alive | 18:12 |
| @vayde | stop it with /data/wre/sbin/rc.mysql stop | 18:12 |
| @vayde | run /data/wre/sbin/setup | 18:13 |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 18:13 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ | 18:13 | |
| @vayde | make sure that during setup you choose to download WebGUI, as your wre download doesn't include WebGUI | 18:13 |
| @vayde | that one got me | 18:14 |
| mindspin | hehe | 18:14 |
| @vayde | and again, make sure you're fully logged in as root when you do all the rc.<whatever> commands, cos sudo bash don't cut it | 18:14 |
| mindspin | noted | 18:14 |
| @vayde | you will have to disable the wremonitor script after it's all set up | 18:15 |
| @vayde | You will be told to put a few jobs into crontab, one of those is the wremonitor. put it in but comment it out. | 18:16 |
| SDuensin | Why do you need to disable wremonitor? | 18:16 |
| @vayde | I'm told that won't be a problem with a full enviornment | 18:16 |
| -!- bopbop [n=kristi@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] | 18:16 | |
| @vayde | i don't know why yet, but it crashes the dev environment under ubuntu | 18:17 |
| SDuensin | Don't I know it! :-) | 18:17 |
| mindspin | maybe for sudo reasons too | 18:17 |
| -!- bopbop [n=kmccombs@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 18:17 | |
| -!- bopbop [n=kmccombs@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has left #webgui [] | 18:18 | |
| pjesi | just do sudo bash | 18:18 |
| pjesi | and your problems are solved | 18:18 |
| @vayde | I believe rizen stated that it would work fine in a non-dev install, but honestly with the info he's pouring into my poor brain, I might be confusing parts | 18:18 |
| mindspin | pjesi i have root enabled | 18:18 |
| @vayde | It might well be my box, but sudo bash won't run the rc.mysql scripts. | 18:19 |
| @vayde | I don't understand the difference, or if it's an ubuntu thing, or what. That's just what was biting me over the weekend. | 18:20 |
| -!- bopbop [n=kmccombs@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 18:21 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 18:23 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 18:23 | |
| @vayde | Here's a guess at the sudo issue: sudo bash doesn't read environment settings for root. You inherit them from your login (under ubuntu anyway) | 18:24 |
| mindspin | sounds reasoneable | 18:24 |
| @vayde | sudo su - loads all of root's login files. The difference may well be in there | 18:24 |
| @vayde | pjesi, what are you running on your server? | 18:25 |
| pjesi | wre is running on suse | 18:27 |
| mindspin | vayde: and that's all? where do I tweak the ports? | 18:28 |
| @vayde | the difference is probably an ubuntu thing then. | 18:28 |
| @vayde | Ports can be tweaked in the setup | 18:28 |
| mindspin | ic | 18:28 |
| mindspin | nothing to add to the apache conf? | 18:29 |
| @vayde | nope. the setup will take care of it all | 18:30 |
| mindspin | cool | 18:30 |
| mindspin | I'll have a try tomorrow if anything fails I'll be here ;-) | 18:30 |
| @vayde | besides, between mod_proxy adn mod_perl I don't know if I want to be messing around in there yet. | 18:30 |
| mindspin | mod_perl was a must in 5.8 | 18:31 |
| @vayde | I'll be here too. | 18:32 |
| mindspin | :-) | 18:32 |
| mindspin | thanks | 18:32 |
| mindspin | does anybody know who is maintaining the ubuntu packages because I would love to see webgui in universe/multiverse | 18:34 |
| mindspin | rizen? | 18:35 |
| @rizen | mindspin? | 18:36 |
| mindspin | you are mentioned as project admin on sf | 18:37 |
| @rizen | indeed | 18:37 |
| mindspin | did you make the ubuntu packages? | 18:37 |
| @rizen | no | 18:37 |
| @rizen | we only make the redhat, windows, and mac osx packages | 18:37 |
| SDuensin | OSX! Whoo! | 18:38 |
| mindspin | who did the ubuntu one? I'd like to contact him/her for getting it to universe/multiverse | 18:38 |
| @rizen | i honestly don't recall | 18:38 |
| @rizen | i recommend posting a message to the dev mailing list | 18:38 |
| mindspin | thats what i was aking to do ;-) | 18:39 |
| mindspin | just asking | 18:39 |
| mindspin | I'll do | 18:39 |
| mindspin | whats the address of the dv ml? | 18:42 |
| mindspin | dev ml | 18:42 |
| @rizen | webguidev@plainblack.com | 18:42 |
| mindspin | thanks | 18:42 |
| @rizen | but you can't email it unless you're subscribed to it | 18:42 |
| @rizen | http://www.plainblack.com/discuss | 18:42 |
| mindspin | ah I thought i would not receive mails but could write | 18:43 |
| mindspin | thanks | 18:43 |
| @rizen | nope...that would allow much spam | 18:43 |
| pjesi | rizen: I only see a message board, how can I subscribe to the list? | 19:26 |
| @rizen | you have to be logged in | 19:27 |
| pjesi | I am | 19:27 |
| @rizen | and then a subscribe link will appear at the top of the board | 19:27 |
| @rizen | not on the discuss page | 19:27 |
| @rizen | but on the individual boards | 19:27 |
| pjesi | ahh sorry, I am blind | 19:27 |
| -!- MrHairgreas1 [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui | 19:30 | |
| mindspin | sorry i am logged in but see no button for the ml | 19:31 |
| -!- MrHairgreas1 [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] | 19:31 | |
| -!- MrHairgreas1 [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui | 19:31 | |
| -!- MrHairgreas1 [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] | 19:31 | |
| -!- MrHairgreas1 [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui | 19:32 | |
| -!- MrHairgreas1 [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] | 19:32 | |
| @rizen | pjesi just found it, perhaps he can describe better than me | 19:32 |
| -!- MrHairgreas1 [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui | 19:32 | |
| pjesi | mindspin: http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss | 19:34 |
| mindspin | yeah | 19:34 |
| pjesi | direct link: http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss?func=subscribe :D | 19:34 |
| mindspin | and by hitting the subscribe buttun I am added to the list? | 19:34 |
| @rizen | yup | 19:35 |
| mindspin | so i was blindminded... | 19:35 |
| bopbop | Radix- you're up on the site | 19:58 |
| bopbop | Congratulations | 19:58 |
| bopbop | and thanks | 19:58 |
| @preaction | bopbop: what are you using for IRC client? | 19:59 |
| -!- MrHairgreas1 [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] | 20:08 | |
| ckotil | k. this is wierd. the admin console hide/show issue disappeared | 20:29 |
| -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui | 21:06 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ | 21:06 | |
| ckotil | increasing the # of running workflows didnt help speed up the posting process. i used to create a scheduled event to purge the file cache. any reason why this is a bad idea? | 21:33 |
| ckotil | s/used to/will once again | 21:34 |
| -!- bopbop_ [n=kmccombs@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 21:46 | |
| -!- bopbop [n=kmccombs@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 21:46 | |
| -!- cga [n=cga@213-140-6-101.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit ["90% of the problems that people have with GNU/Linux are to impute to Windows."] | 21:47 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o bopbop_] by rizen | 21:58 | |
| ckotil | this must be a bug, ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1013], when i create a scheduled event to clear the file cache | 22:00 |
| @rizen | i'm not sure how you have it set up | 22:07 |
| @rizen | it may be a bug | 22:07 |
| @rizen | it may be a config issue | 22:07 |
| @rizen | i do know that clearing the cache works when it's in the maintenance workflow | 22:07 |
| @rizen | but you may have discovered some sort of corner case | 22:07 |
| ckotil | im pretty certain its config'd properly. ill cap a screen of it | 22:07 |
| ckotil | ?? pastebin | 22:08 |
| ckotil | eh, ill write it down somewhere | 22:09 |
| @rizen | perlbot pastebin? | 22:10 |
| perlbot | (see paste) | 22:10 |
| @rizen | perlbot paste? | 22:10 |
| perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. | 22:10 |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 22:12 | |
| ckotil | http://paste.biz/paste-1327.html | 22:15 |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has joined #webgui | 22:16 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ | 22:16 | |
| * SDuensin is going to scream | 22:17 | |
| SDuensin | The new install I just did does the same thing as the old one. You fill in the setup info after starting wG and it just keeps asking for it. | 22:18 |
| @preaction | ctrl+reload after you are asked to re-enter the info? | 22:19 |
| SDuensin | I did. About six more finally got the point across. :-) Thanks. Kinda frazzled over here. | 22:20 |
| -!- mindspin [n=mindspin@p54B270D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 22:43 | |
| SDuensin | How can I determine the complete path of a file in the asset system so I can open it in my code? I looked at what ^FileUrl() returns and it's close, but not quite, everything I need. | 22:52 |
| @preaction | you might also need the config "uploadsPath" value? | 22:54 |
| SDuensin | Not sure. Do I? :-) | 22:54 |
| @preaction | so we're talking a WebGUI::Asset::File correct? | 22:54 |
| SDuensin | Yes. | 22:54 |
| SDuensin | I want to be able to pass a URL into my macro and have it directly open the file off the filesystem. | 22:55 |
| @preaction | if you use getStorageLocation you can do more | 22:55 |
| -!- bopbop_ [n=kmccombs@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 22:55 | |
| -!- bopbop [n=kmccombs@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 22:55 | |
| @preaction | so you're using the URL and WebGUI::Asset->newByUrl to instanctiate a WebGUI::Asset::File object? | 22:55 |
| SDuensin | Not doing anything yet. I was just looking at the FileUrl() macro to see if it was close to what I needed. | 22:56 |
| @preaction | if you get the storage location, you can use the getFileContentsAsScalar maybe? or getPath if you want | 22:57 |
| * SDuensin is digging through docs. | 22:57 | |
| SDuensin | Perfect. That's just what I needed. Right in front of me, too. Dunno why I didn't see it before! | 23:03 |
| @preaction | because there's a Lot to sort through? | 23:03 |
| SDuensin | To say the least. Still, you can't complain about *too* many docs! | 23:03 |
| -!- bopbop [n=kmccombs@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] | 23:09 | |
| @rizen | hannibal et portus | 23:16 |
| SDuensin | GACK! *SO* close to having this work! | 23:37 |
| SDuensin | Oh well. More later. I need to go pick up my little girl from daycare. Later all! | 23:38 |
| ckotil | cya | 23:38 |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@177.sub-75-206-97.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 23:38 | |
| ckotil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQJSZs-euZU | 23:49 |
| --- Day changed Wed Mar 28 2007 | ||
| -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has left #webgui [] | 00:44 | |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui | 02:35 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ | 02:35 | |
| +MrHairgrease | preaction | 02:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | did my fix do the jib? | 02:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | the dual time() call hat is | 02:38 |
| @preaction | let me check | 02:43 |
| @preaction | MrHairgrease: no, there's 5 new ones since yesterday :( | 02:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | i figured so much | 02:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | the chances of that fucking up were very slim | 02:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | still the change should be committed though | 02:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | imho that is | 02:45 |
| @preaction | feel free | 02:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | sure | 02:46 |
| @preaction | it's probably one contributing factor | 02:46 |
| @preaction | we may be looking for a smoking gun when it's more a series of holes | 02:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | i don't think so | 02:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it is a race condition | 02:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | it prolly happens once a year or so | 02:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | or even lees | 02:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | due to that | 02:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | well | 02:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | gotto go and sleep | 02:49 |
| @preaction | lazy euros | 02:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | those damned timezones =) | 02:50 |
| @preaction | 7:00pm and already sleeping | 02:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | hip and fashionable eurotrash | 02:50 |
| @preaction | tut tut | 02:50 |
| @preaction | that MAY be | 02:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | with lots o sex appeal | 02:50 |
| @preaction | but we don't complain about a 34 hour work week | 02:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 02:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | later guys | 02:50 |
| @preaction | cy | 02:51 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] | 02:51 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui | 03:26 | |
| Radix-wrk | Mornin ppls | 03:26 |
| @preaction | you haven't heard yet, have you? | 03:29 |
| Radix-wrk | yes, I have | 03:29 |
| @preaction | do this for me: /msg nickserv link radix <your password for radix> | 03:30 |
| Radix-wrk | Unfortunately someone else has the nick Radix on here. | 03:31 |
| @preaction | sunnuva | 03:31 |
| @preaction | do you own radix-wrk? | 03:31 |
| Radix-wrk | yeah, I do | 03:31 |
| @preaction | kk | 03:31 |
| Radix-wrk | Ahh.. hehe.. cool | 03:32 |
| @preaction | why didn't it voice you then? | 03:32 |
| @preaction | must have to rejoin | 03:32 |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has left #webgui ["Leaving"] | 03:32 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui | 03:32 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ | 03:33 | |
| @preaction | tada! | 03:33 |
| +Radix-wrk | :) | 03:33 |
| @preaction | about time you joined the +v ranks, congratulations | 03:33 |
| +Radix-wrk | you got access to edit my interview btw? there's a link that got added somehow in the cut/paste | 03:33 |
| @preaction | and they're all broken anyway | 03:34 |
| @preaction | i'll fix it | 03:34 |
| +Radix-wrk | the commctrl.com link | 03:34 |
| +Radix-wrk | I think that's yours or someone elses | 03:34 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah, it's yours :) | 03:35 |
| @preaction | btw you are a sexy beast | 03:35 |
| @preaction | fixed | 03:35 |
| +Radix-wrk | I know I know.. but I'm taken, sorry. | 03:35 |
| +Radix-wrk | cheers :) | 03:36 |
| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. looks like the smiley I put in turned into a question mark too on that interview - on the question where it asks if I have any kids. | 03:47 |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has joined #webgui | 04:56 | |
| * PedersenMJ wavies. | 04:57 | |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] | 05:01 | |
| +Radix-wrk | Hi PedersenMJ | 05:06 |
| PedersenMJ | How's it going? | 05:07 |
| +Radix-wrk | I'm famous - did you hear? | 05:07 |
| PedersenMJ | Hmmm, must not be so much. Or I live a very sheltered life. So, nope, not yet :) | 05:08 |
| +Radix-wrk | Oh well.. here I was thinking I could date Angelina Jolie now.. bummer. | 05:08 |
| PedersenMJ | Why? I mean, I suppose I could see having sex with her, but why date? | 05:09 |
| PedersenMJ | Oh, who am I could, it's not an "I suppose". I could definitely see having sex with her. But date her? Nah. | 05:10 |
| +Radix-wrk | you have a point :) | 05:10 |
| PedersenMJ | Anyway, why for you famous? | 05:11 |
| +Radix-wrk | http://www.plainblack.com/support | 05:11 |
| PedersenMJ | Hey, cool! I didn't know that was you! | 05:12 |
| * Radix-wrk bows. | 05:12 | |
| +Radix-wrk | http://gallery.menalto.com/node/8041 | 05:12 |
| PedersenMJ | Cool interview. | 05:16 |
| +Radix-wrk | I should've attached a picture of my niece hugging Gooey tho I reckon :) | 05:17 |
| PedersenMJ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHzdsFiBbFc | 05:17 |
| +Radix-wrk | hehe.. seen that one :) | 05:18 |
| +Radix-wrk | if you want to read something interesting - check this out - http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=829 | 05:18 |
| PedersenMJ | Had heard about that at some point along the way, but still always a fascinating read. | 05:24 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah, lots of interesting stuff on that website - hence the name I guess ;) | 05:25 |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has joined #webgui | 05:26 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ | 05:26 | |
| +Radix-wrk | Hi vayde | 05:26 |
| @vayde | hey | 05:27 |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 05:33 | |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has joined #webgui | 05:37 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ | 05:37 | |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] | 05:43 | |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has joined #webgui | 05:43 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ | 05:43 | |
| @vayde | heh. apparently I'm like a cat: I can't decide if I want to be in or out | 05:44 |
| Hinrik | or a penis | 05:45 |
| @vayde | In definitely. | 05:45 |
| PedersenMJ | Damn. There's times that python can be very elegant. And times when it makes me want to remove the genitals of the developers, stew them up, and force feed them back. | 06:29 |
| PedersenMJ | No, I'm not asking for assist, as I know this is perl here, and not python. But I needed to vent a bit over the program I'm working on :) | 06:29 |
| -!- vayde_ [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has joined #webgui | 06:49 | |
| -!- vayde_ [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 06:49 | |
| -!- vayde_ [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has joined #webgui | 06:49 | |
| -!- vayde_ [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 06:49 | |
| -!- vayde_ [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has joined #webgui | 06:50 | |
| -!- vayde_ [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has quit [Client Quit] | 06:51 | |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 06:51 | |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has joined #webgui | 06:54 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ | 06:54 | |
| PedersenMJ | Now, off to bed. Later all. | 07:24 |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] | 07:24 | |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has quit [] | 07:25 | |
| -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: @vayde | 09:10 | |
| -!- Netsplit over, joins: @vayde | 09:10 | |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 10:53 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] | 11:08 | |
| -!- AMH_bob [n=chatzill@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui | 11:38 | |
| -!- AMH_bob [n=chatzill@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.10/0000000000]"] | 13:00 | |
| -!- Netsplit over, joins: Radix_ | 13:38 | |
| -!- cga [n=cga@213-140-6-101.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #webgui | 15:10 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@106.sub-75-207-197.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI | 16:49 | |
| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:49 |
| ckotil | hi | 16:50 |
| SDuensin | I *almost* have my ACME stuff working! | 17:10 |
| ckotil | nice | 17:19 |
| SDuensin | What do you know about WebGUI::Storage? | 17:24 |
| SDuensin | perlbot paste? | 17:26 |
| perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. | 17:26 |
| SDuensin | I did this: | 17:28 |
| SDuensin | http://sial.org/pbot/23839 | 17:28 |
| SDuensin | It seems to work, however, the filename returned by the last line doesn't exist. The temp folder the file is supposed to be in *does* exist. Just no image file. | 17:29 |
| ckotil | where do you set $filename ? | 17:30 |
| ckotil | $store too | 17:30 |
| SDuensin | $store comes from that block of code. $filename is something I made up. Assume it equals "myimage.png". | 17:30 |
| ckotil | nvm i see $store | 17:31 |
| ckotil | perhaps my $store = WebGUI::Storage::Image->createTemp($session); shoudl be my $store = WebGUI::Storage::Image->createTemp($self->session); | 17:34 |
| SDuensin | Honestly, I have no idea. Rizen gave me that line. :-) | 17:36 |
| ckotil | i was just reading from http://www.plainblack.com/downloads/builds/7.3.13-stable/api/Storage.html | 17:36 |
| SDuensin | It's almost like the $image->saveToStorageLocation($store) method isn't doing anything or is erroring out. | 17:37 |
| ckotil | that would make sense. bc i dont see savetostorage as one of the methods in WebGUI::Storage | 17:38 |
| SDuensin | It's in WebGUI::Image | 17:39 |
| ckotil | o | 17:39 |
| -!- estivenrpo [n=estivenr@200.58.205.236] has joined #webgui | 17:43 | |
| SDuensin | Hello, estivenrpo | 17:44 |
| estivenrpo | Hi | 17:45 |
| estivenrpo | i have a cuestion about the dataform and macros... | 17:48 |
| estivenrpo | any can help me ? | 17:49 |
| SDuensin | Macros, probably. Dataform? Probably not me. | 17:50 |
| estivenrpo | thank you, any way i have a lot of questions, i hope somebody can help me | 17:52 |
| estivenrpo | the idea is to set up a CMS that centralizes othe CMS, we have to do it because we need different levels of karma. And with a single CMS there is only global karma | 17:53 |
| estivenrpo | not karma per community for example | 17:54 |
| SDuensin | Interesting. | 17:55 |
| estivenrpo | do you think is possible to tweak the karma code to allow WebGui to manage different levels of Karma ? | 17:55 |
| estivenrpo | . | 17:56 |
| estivenrpo | so...? | 17:57 |
| ckotil | its possible | 17:57 |
| * SDuensin has no idea. Sorry. | 17:57 | |
| estivenrpo | thank you SDuensin | 17:57 |
| ckotil | all things are possible with webgui | 17:57 |
| SDuensin | :-) | 17:57 |
| estivenrpo | no doubt, but how? | 17:58 |
| ckotil | it will take some custom coding | 17:58 |
| estivenrpo | of course, whre should we start? | 17:58 |
| estivenrpo | (and in your opinion, how long could it take?) | 17:59 |
| ckotil | sometime today, some of the dev's will be active in here and will be able to give you a real answer, and some direction | 17:59 |
| ckotil | depends if you hacked up the core code, or if you somehow were able to write a macro to handle this | 18:00 |
| ckotil | im thinking the macro would work as follows...you have a global karma count which contains karma for all the sites combined. then the macro would subtract the amount of karma of all the OTHER sites, except for hte site the user is currently in | 18:03 |
| ckotil | and then you would have a unique karma count for each subsite | 18:03 |
| ckotil | the macro would keep track of teh subsites macro in its own table. | 18:03 |
| ckotil | err. the subsites karma in its own table | 18:04 |
| estivenrpo | mmm... it would work for counting... however when someone gets karma on a site, it will be added to the global karma, but when the macro substracts the karmas excepting the current site karma... how could it know where the karma was gotten? | 18:16 |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 18:16 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 18:16 | |
| SDuensin | Morning, preaction | 18:17 |
| ckotil | the macro would know the users current location. i.e. where the user was in the site when he recieved the karma | 18:19 |
| estivenrpo | I like your idea, the problema is that we would need to manage too many sites, and many ways to get karma, so we would have to put the macro on each thing that gives karma on each site.... must be a way to centralize the macro... tweak the core maybe... | 18:22 |
| ckotil | ya | 18:23 |
| estivenrpo | if this is the best option. we'd have to to do it with the webgui guys, if not it would be a fork and the updates will brake | 18:24 |
| estivenrpo | what do you think? | 18:24 |
| ckotil | are you prepared to drop a few thousand dollars on this? | 18:24 |
| ckotil | it COULD be built into the core | 18:24 |
| estivenrpo | 1 thousand or 9999 thousand? jejeje | 18:25 |
| ckotil | a few. ~3 | 18:26 |
| SDuensin | Hell, I'll do it for 9999 thousand. :-) | 18:26 |
| ckotil | you'd have to get a quote from pb | 18:26 |
| ckotil | im just guessing what it would cost | 18:26 |
| estivenrpo | me too, i would pay the 3 thousand and keep the remainder! jejeje | 18:27 |
| ckotil | haha | 18:27 |
| ckotil | are you planning on running a single site with webgui, then having a bunch of subsections/subsites that need to have their own karma count? | 18:28 |
| estivenrpo | I e-mailed dev@plainblack... no answers, is any dev here ???? | 18:28 |
| estivenrpo | exactly | 18:28 |
| estivenrpo | i also tought to use a webgui for each site, the problem there is integrating the authentication | 18:28 |
| SDuensin | LDAP | 18:29 |
| ckotil | i use a single sign on service, known as CAS | 18:29 |
| ckotil | the university maintains it, i just authenticate with it, then webgui authorizes once it recieves the OK from the CAS server | 18:29 |
| estivenrpo | LDAP was implemented, but we could not find a way to pass the users thorugh different CMS without login again | 18:30 |
| estivenrpo | do you use CAS to validate different CMSs ? | 18:31 |
| ckotil | single instance of webgui | 18:31 |
| ckotil | then i create subsites by using subdir's. i.e. globalnoc.iu.edu/site1 globalnoc.iu.edu/site2 ...etc... | 18:32 |
| ckotil | and i do some clever url mod_rewriting | 18:32 |
| ckotil | so that each subsite appears to have its own domain | 18:32 |
| estivenrpo | maybe the parameters could be pass using the POST method, but it is a security hole | 18:33 |
| estivenrpo | :( | 18:33 |
| ckotil | just dont pass the password | 18:33 |
| ckotil | need to have some random generated key | 18:33 |
| estivenrpo | mmm... sounds cool | 18:34 |
| ckotil | investigate some single sign on solutions | 18:34 |
| ckotil | jasig CAS is the CAS version maintained by yale university , that is still in development. | 18:35 |
| ckotil | my university chose to develop its own versoin of CAS. | 18:35 |
| ckotil | its kind of lame. my group is planning on moving away from it soon. | 18:35 |
| estivenrpo | do you think is easier to redevelop the karma in the webgui core or redevelop the webgui authentication system? | 18:37 |
| ckotil | webgui is known for its pluggable authentication. so, id have to say redeveloping the auth. system will be much easier | 18:38 |
| ckotil | i developed CAS.pm in about a day | 18:38 |
| @rizen | estivenrpo, since i talked to you on the boards about this yesterday, it couldn't be more than 24 hours since you sent the email | 18:39 |
| @rizen | be patient | 18:39 |
| SDuensin | rizen! Morning. | 18:40 |
| -!- Vrby [n=Vrby@d35-5.rb.lax.centurytel.net] has joined #webgui | 18:41 | |
| @rizen | top of the morning to you sd | 18:41 |
| -!- Vrby [n=Vrby@d35-5.rb.lax.centurytel.net] has left #webgui [] | 18:42 | |
| SDuensin | Hey rizen - couple things... Any ideas on my file saving issue (see scrollback)? And I found a toolkit that looks perfect for doing the app-server stuff we were talking about before. :-) | 18:47 |
| @rizen | i've never used WebGUI::Image | 18:51 |
| @rizen | but if you follow how the poll works then it should work just fine, cuz the poll works just fine | 18:51 |
| SDuensin | Ok, I'll have to dig that up. | 18:52 |
| @rizen | what toolkit is that? | 18:52 |
| SDuensin | Go read this: http://qooxdoo.org/ | 18:52 |
| SDuensin | They're even nice enough to include a Perl RPC component. :-) | 18:52 |
| ckotil | how do you even pronounce that? | 18:53 |
| -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui | 18:53 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ | 18:53 | |
| @rizen | and why exactly is that better than YUI? | 18:53 |
| SDuensin | Not a frickin' clue. | 18:53 |
| SDuensin | WTF is YUI? | 18:53 |
| SDuensin | Ah. | 18:54 |
| @rizen | the web2.0 framework | 18:54 |
| @rizen | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdeveloper.yahoo.com%2Fyui%2F&ei=m48KRtWkMZWgogLGjqEG&usg=__nw2ZV3YRM3xD8lAeNd5oXN2Xe4U=&sig2=9q3apGRDUux8IQ3r3yw6DA | 18:54 |
| @rizen | that webgui uses | 18:54 |
| @rizen | already | 18:54 |
| SDuensin | Wow. YUI has gotten bigger since I last saw it. :-) | 18:54 |
| SDuensin | Not sure, but Qooxdoo is frickin' sweet. <G> | 18:55 |
| SDuensin | I love the transparency effects they have on their windows. | 18:55 |
| @rizen | don't get me wrong, it does look cool | 18:59 |
| @rizen | but it doesn't seem to be as rich as yui | 18:59 |
| SDuensin | I'm not that familiar with YUI. Wasn't impressed the first time I saw it. That was right after release though. | 18:59 |
| @rizen | YUI isn't "flashy". Don't get me wrong, it can do some amazing effects. However, it's primary objective is to provide a really flexible API. | 19:01 |
| @rizen | So it's goals are more inline with WebGUI. Get the job done, worry about glitz later. | 19:01 |
| @rizen | In that way, it doesn't provide you with all the controls like qooxdoo, but it provides you with the API's to be able to build them. | 19:02 |
| @rizen | And that's far more important for what we do. | 19:02 |
| SDuensin | That's a Good Thing. I really liked the approach Qooxdoo took, too. It looks very well designed and clean. I'll have to read more about YUI. | 19:02 |
| SDuensin | One thing that caught my eye on the Qooxdoo roadmap was they want to provide for better ways to integrate applications written using it with "page-based" systems. Sounded like what we talked about. | 19:03 |
| --- Log closed Wed Mar 28 19:14:16 2007 | ||
| --- Log opened Wed Mar 28 19:39:27 2007 | ||
| -!- xdanger [i=xdanger@217.112.244.70] has joined #webgui | 19:39 | |
| -!- Irssi: #webgui: Total of 15 nicks [2 ops, 0 halfops, 2 voices, 11 normal] | 19:39 | |
| -!- Irssi: Join to #webgui was synced in 3 secs | 19:39 | |
| --- Log closed Wed Mar 28 19:45:37 2007 | ||
| --- Log opened Wed Mar 28 20:00:51 2007 | ||
| -!- xdanger [i=xdanger@217.112.244.70] has joined #webgui | 20:00 | |
| -!- Irssi: #webgui: Total of 16 nicks [2 ops, 0 halfops, 3 voices, 11 normal] | 20:00 | |
| -!- Irssi: Join to #webgui was synced in 3 secs | 20:00 | |
| -!- cga [n=cga@213-140-6-101.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit ["90% of the problems that people have with GNU/Linux are to impute to Windows."] | 20:30 | |
| -!- estivenrpo [n=estivenr@200.58.205.236] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 20:32 | |
| ckotil | how can i make webgui (or is it apache?) accept a 70MB file pile upload? | 20:49 |
| @rizen | apache can do it | 20:51 |
| @rizen | there are two things that may be blocking you | 20:51 |
| @rizen | bandwidth | 20:51 |
| @rizen | and the webgui max upload size | 20:51 |
| @rizen | max upload size is controlled in the Admin Console > Settings > Content | 20:52 |
| @rizen | bandwidth is a matter of timeouts | 20:52 |
| @rizen | if it takes longer to upload your content, than apache's timeout settings | 20:52 |
| @rizen | then you won't be able to upload it | 20:52 |
| @rizen | my guess is though that the max upload size is where you should start | 20:52 |
| ckotil | ah | 20:54 |
| ckotil | max_body_limit | 20:54 |
| @rizen | what is max body limit? | 20:55 |
| @rizen | is that an apache setting? | 20:56 |
| ckotil | its what im seeing as the bottle neck in the error log | 20:56 |
| ckotil | [Wed Mar 28 17:38:38 2007] [error] [client 129.79.9.43] (20014)Error string not specified yet: Content-Length header (69462367) exceeds configured max_body limit (67108864), referer: http://globalnoc.iu.edu/irnclinks/presentations.html?func=add;class=WebGUI::Asset::FilePile;proceed=manageAssets | 20:56 |
| @rizen | oh, right, then that's internally what apache is probably calling it | 20:56 |
| @rizen | that is controlled by the max upload size in webgui settings | 20:56 |
| ckotil | hrm, but i cant find where to edit this ' max_body_limit' | 20:56 |
| @rizen | are you even reading what i'm saying? | 20:56 |
| SDuensin | Admin panel. Settings. | 20:56 |
| ckotil | ive upped the wg setting to 90000 | 20:56 |
| ckotil | yes. | 20:57 |
| @rizen | 90,000 is only 90,000 bytes | 20:57 |
| ckotil | ah. | 20:57 |
| ckotil | 90 000 000 then | 20:57 |
| @rizen | since you're uploading stuff that big | 20:57 |
| @rizen | you might as well just do 99999999999 | 20:58 |
| ckotil | its a 1 time deal. | 20:58 |
| ckotil | hrm, still the apache setting is preventing me | 20:58 |
| -!- wgGuest34 [n=wgGuest3@83.228.8.109] has joined #webgui | 20:58 | |
| -!- wgGuest34 [n=wgGuest3@83.228.8.109] has quit [Client Quit] | 20:59 | |
| @rizen | don't know | 20:59 |
| @rizen | i haven't seen that setting before | 20:59 |
| @rizen | perhaps it's something that's hard compiled into your local apache | 21:00 |
| ckotil | seems its aka post_max | 21:05 |
| ckotil | APREQ2_ReadLimit httpd.conf variable did it | 21:12 |
| @rizen | MrHairgrease: it appears that you have a little competition now | 21:18 |
| @rizen | Radix with his 8ball, and Patspam with his "Come back" workflow activity | 21:18 |
| * SDuensin with his broken macro | 21:18 | |
| @rizen | and SDuenins is hard at work | 21:18 |
| @rizen | hehe | 21:18 |
| @rizen | yeah | 21:18 |
| @rizen | that | 21:18 |
| SDuensin | I manage to get it to save an image, but it saves *two* of them. | 21:19 |
| @rizen | i still say that my BASIC macro should be the winner of the contest | 21:19 |
| @rizen | it's way cooler than everything else | 21:20 |
| @rizen | if only because it's written by me | 21:20 |
| @rizen | =) | 21:20 |
| SDuensin | It is pretty spiffy. | 21:20 |
| SDuensin | My macro is kind of the same "vintage" as yours. | 21:20 |
| ckotil | i wish i had my old qbasic programs from back in the day | 21:20 |
| ckotil | i wrote monopoly | 21:20 |
| @rizen | i wrote battleship in both basic and pascal back in the day | 21:21 |
| @rizen | i wish i had those too | 21:21 |
| @rizen | monopoly seems quite a bit harder than battleship though | 21:21 |
| SDuensin | I did an ANSI terminal that had graphics, sound, music, gamepad, mouse, etc. support. Kicked the crap out of RIPterm. :-) | 21:21 |
| @rizen | did your monopoly have AI players? | 21:22 |
| ckotil | no | 21:22 |
| @rizen | my battleship had 4 levels of AI | 21:22 |
| @rizen | but you couldn't play against another player, only the AI | 21:22 |
| ckotil | but it had a sweet animation sequence moving around the board | 21:22 |
| @rizen | because there was no way to hide the screen from the other peeps | 21:22 |
| ckotil | heh , ya | 21:22 |
| @rizen | awesome | 21:22 |
| SDuensin | Hey, my post build event exited with code 2. Thanks. That's very helpful, Microsoft. | 21:23 |
| @rizen | heh | 21:23 |
| SDuensin | I really wish I could write Linux or Mac software for a living instead. <sigh> | 21:25 |
| @rizen | why can't you? | 21:26 |
| SDuensin | Mainly, because I have a family and can't afford to starve while playing "Startup". | 21:27 |
| SDuensin | I do some stuff on the side, but it's just enough to be annoying. :-) | 21:28 |
| @rizen | but you could go to work for a company that does that stuff | 21:30 |
| @rizen | without starting your own business | 21:30 |
| @rizen | that way you can have your family, and the job you want too | 21:30 |
| SDuensin | I'm in St. Louis. All I've ever found out here is IT work for companies that do internal development. I'm actually lucky to not be stuck with 100% MS tools and languages. | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | you could work for a company that allows telecommuters | 21:31 |
| @rizen | i c. you need a telecommuting job | 21:31 |
| @rizen | yeah | 21:31 |
| @rizen | though, they are rare | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I know some people that work for a very good telecommuting company | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | good software | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | strong IRC community | 21:32 |
| ckotil | some companys are switching to a 'butt in seat' policy. i.e. no telecommuting | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be my company | 21:32 |
| ckotil | im allowed to telecommutte 1 day a week | 21:32 |
| SDuensin | Telecommuting would be cool. I can do that on occasion here. | 21:32 |
| @rizen | oh, speaking of telecommuting jobs...we're going to have another opening. this time for a "Troubleshooting Perlhead" | 21:32 |
| SDuensin | If I did that, I'd seriously have to set up a real office at home. | 21:33 |
| * SDuensin is more of a Troublemaking Perlhead. | 21:33 | |
| ckotil | you mean hire PD? | 21:33 |
| @rizen | i'd love to hire PD | 21:33 |
| @rizen | but he wants $100k per year | 21:33 |
| @rizen | =) | 21:33 |
| ckotil | heh | 21:33 |
| SDuensin | Yea, well, don't we all. :-P | 21:34 |
| @rizen | mainly cuz he's supporting his wife through grad school | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | she isn't even in grad school yet | 21:34 |
| @rizen | oh, crap...was i not supposed to say that pd? | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | but she's pulling a 4.0 | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | no, I have no secrets | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | Portland is expensive | 21:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | rizen | 21:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | don't worry | 21:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm finishing the acme thingy that will smas your basic macro into oblivion | 21:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | b/c you wrote it =) | 21:35 |
| @rizen | i haven't seen your new killer ACME thing yet | 21:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | you have seen it | 21:35 |
| @rizen | i mean, i've seen it personally | 21:35 |
| @rizen | but it's not up on the site | 21:35 |
| @rizen | so it doesn't count | 21:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's b/c i'm _finishing_ it right now | 21:36 |
| @rizen | only 3 days left | 21:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | i know | 21:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | np | 21:36 |
| * SDuensin needs help to finish. Stupid Image API! | 21:36 | |
| +MrHairgrease | don't say that | 21:36 |
| @rizen | MrHairgrease wrote it | 21:36 |
| @rizen | you should get help from him | 21:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | help the competition???? | 21:36 |
| SDuensin | Good! Then he can tell me why it's saving two files! | 21:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | well ok | 21:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | dunno | 21:37 |
| SDuensin | My guess is that one is the file and one is a thumbnail. | 21:37 |
| @rizen | what are the file names? | 21:37 |
| @rizen | if one has a "thumb-" in it | 21:37 |
| @rizen | then it is | 21:37 |
| SDuensin | Nope. | 21:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | it shouldn't do that | 21:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | file a bug report =) | 21:37 |
| SDuensin | They're GUIDs I get from $session. One is like "guid-0.png" and the other is "guid-1.png". | 21:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | i can't check it out without a code snippet | 21:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | you can email it to me | 21:38 |
| SDuensin | Working on one. :-) | 21:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | martin a t oqapi.nl | 21:39 |
| SDuensin | It's tiny. I can pastebin it. | 21:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 21:39 |
| SDuensin | http://sial.org/pbot/23847 | 21:40 |
| SDuensin | One question I have is if my drawing on $magick actually alters $image. If so, then I have another bug to track down. (I want it to, but the two PNGs it saves are blank!) | 21:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | let me read the code again | 21:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | it has been some time | 21:41 |
| SDuensin | Thanks | 21:41 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: what if i don't feel like puting out a release today? | 21:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | what do you mean by change $image? | 21:42 |
| SDuensin | What I *think* I'm doing is getting a new image created with Image->new, then getting a reference to it so I can draw on it with the ImageMagick API. But I bet I have a copy of it. | 21:43 |
| SDuensin | Or can I directly manipulate $image->image? | 21:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | It works like this | 21:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | WG::Image is sort of a wrpper for image magick | 21:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | this means that it uses an instance of Image::Magick as a basis | 21:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | the image() method return the Image::Magick instance it is based on | 21:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | so | 21:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | do not use $img->image->new | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: I think you're allowed not to put out a release today | 21:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | afaik new is a class method in Image::Magick | 21:46 |
| +perlDreamer | especially if you're half as tired as I am | 21:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you want to create another image use WebGUI::Image->new | 21:46 |
| SDuensin | $image->image->Set('pixel[10,10]'=>'white'); <-- That OK? | 21:46 |
| @rizen | i might just put it out late | 21:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 21:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | you can do that | 21:46 |
| +perlDreamer | vayde needs to be op'ed when he's in channel | 21:47 |
| +perlDreamer | and Radix in at least one of his incarnations needs to be voiced since he's PBWG now | 21:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | I don't know why saveToStorageLocation is saving two files though | 21:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | it should only save one | 21:48 |
| +perlDreamer | we should find the guy who wrote that API and make him fix it! | 21:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe | 21:49 |
| SDuensin | Tried it again. Still get two, and they seem to be empty PNGs (which could be another problem, I dunno). | 21:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | if that guy has time tonight | 21:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | he will fixe it | 21:49 |
| SDuensin | Let me save it using saveToFileSystem as well as the storage stuff. See if it writes the same thing out. | 21:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | The poll uses the same scheme | 21:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | and that works right | 21:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | ? | 21:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | 401 my $storage = WebGUI::Storage::Image->createTemp($self->session); | 21:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | 402 my $filename = 'poll'.$self->session->id->generate.".png"; | 21:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | 403 $graph->saveToStorageLocation($storage, $filename); | 21:51 |
| SDuensin | Kinda. It uses Graph instead of Image. | 21:51 |
| SDuensin | But yea, that's where I copied from. | 21:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | WebGUI::Image::Graph is just an extension of WebGUI::Image | 21:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | it doesn't iomplement the save* routines | 21:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | it just inherits | 21:52 |
| SDuensin | I get exactly the same thing using saveToFileSystem, other than it uses my filename as the base name and my specified path. | 21:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | Weird | 21:53 |
| SDuensin | So, $image->saveToFileSystem("/tmp/", "image.png"); produces /tmp/image-0.png and /tmp/image-1.png. | 21:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | can you send me your fulll macro | 21:53 |
| SDuensin | I'm kind of embarrassed to show anyone the code. It's hack-a-licious! | 21:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | who cares | 21:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | my code aparently doesn't work | 21:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 21:55 |
| SDuensin | Working on getting it somewhere I can mail from. | 21:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 21:58 |
| SDuensin | Sent. | 22:00 |
| SDuensin | (Man, now my secret project is out!) | 22:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | don't worry | 22:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | I just did a test script | 22:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | and that generates only one file | 22:00 |
| SDuensin | ?! | 22:01 |
| SDuensin | Weird. | 22:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | let me try your macro | 22:01 |
| SDuensin | Then again, I never said I knew what I was doing. :-) | 22:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'll be darned | 22:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | it does the same here | 22:12 |
| SDuensin | Weirdness. :-) | 22:12 |
| SDuensin | But - I'm NOT INSANE! :-D | 22:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 22:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you say so | 22:12 |
| SDuensin | Yea. There is the macro itself. <G> | 22:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm trying to find out what sick crap you're pulling inside that puppy =) | 22:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | hang on | 22:15 |
| SDuensin | hehehee | 22:15 |
| SDuensin | It's pretty much as un-optimal as I could make it. | 22:15 |
| SDuensin | I mean, come on! I was reading off 25+ year old hardware specs to write it! | 22:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 22:16 |
| SDuensin | The really fugly part is that I embedded two other packages so people don't need to install them from CPAN just to run this dumb thing. | 22:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | solved the double filename thingy | 22:16 |
| SDuensin | How!? | 22:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | do not use $image->image->ReadImage('xc:black'); | 22:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | but $image->setBackgroundColor('#000000'); instead | 22:17 |
| SDuensin | So much for reading the instructions. <G> | 22:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | dunno exactly how the im method interferes | 22:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it f*cks sh*t *p | 22:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | still it returns a one pixel image | 22:18 |
| SDuensin | Is WebGUI::Image->new honoring the width/height parameters? | 22:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | it should | 22:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | let me check it out | 22:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | hang on | 22:19 |
| SDuensin | Then it should make a 280x192 image. Even if my drawing code is borked. | 22:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | aparently it does not | 22:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | you discovered a bug =) | 22:20 |
| SDuensin | Whoo hoo! | 22:20 |
| * MrHairgrease mumbles something about stupid acme contests | 22:20 | |
| * SDuensin mumbles something about a patch | 22:22 | |
| +MrHairgrease | better | 22:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | i have a workaround for you | 22:22 |
| SDuensin | That works. | 22:22 |
| SDuensin | Not like this is world-class code. | 22:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | use the setImageHeight and setImageWidth explicitly | 22:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | let me check if that would do it in your code | 22:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | it works | 22:25 |
| SDuensin | I originally used the ImageMagick $image->Set('blahblah'); syntax until I saw your method that did it for me. :-P | 22:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://sial.org/pbot/23848 | 22:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's the fix with a bit of context | 22:26 |
| SDuensin | Trying it now. | 22:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 22:26 |
| SDuensin | How did we ever live without virtual machines? | 22:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | heh | 22:28 |
| SDuensin | Hot damn. It works. :-) | 22:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | dunno | 22:28 |
| SDuensin | Thanks! | 22:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | np | 22:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | I appreciate the contributions | 22:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm doing a talk about them at the wuc | 22:29 |
| SDuensin | Any time you have questions about Apple II memory mapping, color generation, or CPU cycle timing, just let me know. :-) | 22:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | do count on it | 22:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | (which doesn't mean i know anything about apple2's | 22:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | do = don't | 22:30 |
| SDuensin | Woz was a genius. The Apple II is an engineering masterpiece. | 22:30 |
| SDuensin | Er, "Woz *IS* a genius." Poor guy isn't dead or anything! | 22:30 |
| SDuensin | So, think that's sufficiently bizarre enough for ACME? | 22:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | prolly | 22:34 |
| SDuensin | I gotta find some disks with more pictures on them. Somewhere, I've got a zillion of the things. | 22:35 |
| -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: ckotil, +crythias, +MrHairgrease, @preaction, Radix_ | 23:19 | |
| -!- Netsplit over, joins: @preaction, +MrHairgrease, +crythias, Radix_, ckotil | 23:19 | |
| -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 23:25 | |
| -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui | 23:26 | |
| -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has left #webgui [] | 23:45 | |
| --- Day changed Thu Mar 29 2007 | ||
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@106.sub-75-207-197.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 00:01 | |
| +MrHairgrease | it's..... | 00:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | alive | 00:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://www.plainblack.com/user_contributions/user_contributions/acme/xeyes-macro#T0cqj5obcSs7PIweT42jPQ | 00:47 |
| pjesi | I was just looking at it :) | 00:47 |
| nuba | i see | 00:58 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] | 01:07 | |
| @preaction | 23291 lines of code later, the client site is up and running | 01:57 |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has left #webgui [] | 02:06 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 02:33 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 02:33 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Client Quit] | 02:33 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] | 02:38 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI | 03:38 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui | 03:55 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ | 03:55 | |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has joined #webgui | 04:45 | |
| PedersenMJ | Good evening | 04:45 |
| @rizen | howdy | 04:47 |
| PedersenMJ | How's it going? | 04:47 |
| @rizen | crapaliscious | 04:48 |
| PedersenMJ | That good, eh? What's wrong? | 04:48 |
| SDuensin | HEY! | 04:49 |
| SDuensin | crapaliscious? Aww. My ACME is almost done! | 04:49 |
| +Radix-wrk | perlm's entry is pretty cool - the only real contender so far to the mighty mrhairgrease | 04:52 |
| SDuensin | Mine is just odd. But I like it! | 04:52 |
| +Radix-wrk | cmon SDuensin - finish yours off so we have some more! | 04:52 |
| SDuensin | Doing the docs now. | 04:52 |
| +Radix-wrk | cool :) | 04:52 |
| @rizen | sd: nice | 04:52 |
| @rizen | Who is perlm? | 04:53 |
| @rizen | is that the same as patspam? | 04:53 |
| +Radix-wrk | Oh.. sorry.. | 04:53 |
| +Radix-wrk | I meant patspam | 04:53 |
| @rizen | His almost borders on useful though. | 04:53 |
| +Radix-wrk | it's early for me.. brain mixed up those two names | 04:53 |
| @rizen | i wonder how we can attract more people to the community. we have lots and lots of new businesses signing up to use webgui and purchasing our services | 04:57 |
| @rizen | but we have very few who are just joining the community | 04:57 |
| @rizen | or also joining the community | 04:57 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah, it's a hard one | 04:58 |
| @rizen | we seem to pick up a dozen new clients a week | 04:58 |
| @rizen | but it seems closer to a dozen new contributors per year | 04:59 |
| SDuensin | Damn. Wish I got a dozen clients a week. | 04:59 |
| PedersenMJ | I wonder if it's the website itself? | 04:59 |
| @rizen | keep in mind that a new client may only spend a few dollars with us. not every one spends thousands | 05:00 |
| @rizen | pdersen, what about the site? | 05:00 |
| +Radix-wrk | Of those clients how many have people that are actually decent with webgui though? | 05:00 |
| +Radix-wrk | I mean quite a few of them I would gather are unable to set up their own site, and just want you to do it for them. | 05:00 |
| @rizen | right | 05:01 |
| PedersenMJ | It's hard to describe without sounding whiny/picky, but... For instance, the WebGUI Community Contests. Is that a PlainBlack effort, or a WebGUI effort? | 05:01 |
| @rizen | i don't know what you mean | 05:01 |
| @rizen | plainblack is funding them | 05:01 |
| +Radix-wrk | It's the companies that have one or two people that are a bit more cluey that might be contributors. | 05:01 |
| @rizen | if that's what you mean | 05:01 |
| @rizen | yeah, those are few and far between | 05:02 |
| +Radix-wrk | I want all the people who attended the WUC's to be part of the community.. they're the people we need | 05:02 |
| PedersenMJ | Plain Black is sponsoring them... My thoughts are a bit muddled right now, but... Where are the contests? Imagine I'm a brand new user, barely ever looked at WebGUI. The contests could show me some of the not normal stuff, not easy to find stuff. (more in a sec). | 05:03 |
| @rizen | radix: i think you may have just hit the nail on the head | 05:04 |
| @rizen | webgui is a different kind of animal in the open source world | 05:04 |
| @rizen | the kind that is used almost exclusively by businesses | 05:04 |
| PedersenMJ | Now, if you go to www.plainblack.com there's little mention of the WCC. One item in the recent news. And that's it. On www.webgui.org ? Not a single mention. | 05:04 |
| @rizen | not hobbiest | 05:04 |
| @rizen | the business people are far more likely to get the job done, and then not get involved | 05:05 |
| +Radix-wrk | yup | 05:05 |
| @rizen | pedersen, i get you now | 05:06 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah, advertising of the wcc could've been done better | 05:06 |
| @rizen | webgui.org and plainblack.com will soon be seperate sites | 05:07 |
| +Radix-wrk | will be cool when that's done :) | 05:07 |
| @rizen | then it will be easier to do that sort of stuff | 05:07 |
| @rizen | right now there's so much information, that it's hard to discern what is community related and what is commercial | 05:08 |
| PedersenMJ | Actually, that's not even close to the point. They can be the exact same site, exact same home page. But finding information that is *not* just promotional is hard. | 05:08 |
| PedersenMJ | Correction: Finding publicly accessible information that is not just promotional is hard. | 05:08 |
| @rizen | pedersenmj: that IS the point | 05:08 |
| @rizen | plainblack.com is a commercial site, and is therefore very promotional | 05:08 |
| @rizen | when webgui.org is split off from it | 05:09 |
| @rizen | then there won't be all the products to sell | 05:09 |
| @rizen | it's just talking about webgui | 05:09 |
| @rizen | and community stuff | 05:09 |
| @rizen | so there will be more room to put things like an advertisement for the community contest | 05:09 |
| PedersenMJ | As I said, my thoughts are muddled. You are correct in that that was the point I was going for. | 05:09 |
| @rizen | as of today we (plainblack) just finished a huge 6 month project | 05:10 |
| @rizen | that most of our staff and contractors were working on | 05:10 |
| PedersenMJ | Nice! Congratulations. | 05:10 |
| @rizen | so now we'll be able to refocus our efforts on our site | 05:10 |
| @rizen | and other stuff | 05:10 |
| PedersenMJ | Oh, that reminds me. My company's new website is live now. Blah. Hate thinking about that. | 05:11 |
| PedersenMJ | For anybody that wants to see, it's at http://www.6ave.com/ And yes, I can (most likely) help get some sort of deals from the web dept for you. | 05:12 |
| PedersenMJ | JT, you'd get something of a laugh from it. That site took a *year* to implement. | 05:13 |
| SDuensin | ASPX! ACK! :-P | 05:14 |
| @rizen | why? | 05:14 |
| @rizen | why did it take a year? | 05:14 |
| @rizen | just for data entry? | 05:14 |
| @rizen | =) | 05:14 |
| PedersenMJ | Oh, and they're still fixing bugs that are being found. It's not done, not stable, and in active development for some basic functionality (for instance, they were having problems with shipment tracking as of yesterday). | 05:14 |
| PedersenMJ | Nope, because the company that we had hired ... My least favorite companies, starting at #4: Microsoft, Rational (I know, they were bought by IBM), IBS, and Devix. The only thing Devix could make that *wouldn't* suck would be a vacuum cleaner. | 05:16 |
| PedersenMJ | Yes, they're worse than MS. Especially if you look at MS dev quality for Windows 95, and use that as the comparison point. | 05:16 |
| SDuensin | It's up! I've gone ACME! | 05:17 |
| +Radix-wrk | woot! | 05:17 |
| PedersenMJ | They spent most of a week debugging the addition of Paypal as a payment method. Doing Paypal on your site (at least, the way they did it, there might be others) involves getting a certificate from Paypal, and installing it. They couldn't get the permissions right for the installed cert for almost a week. And even then, *I'm* the one that fixed that. | 05:18 |
| PedersenMJ | Congrats SD! | 05:18 |
| SDuensin | Thanks, PedersenMJ | 05:18 |
| @rizen | yeah, congrats sd | 05:18 |
| SDuensin | You need to be at least 30 to appreciate my macro. :-) | 05:18 |
| @rizen | don't be too critical, but this is the first draft of what the new webgui site *may* look like http://jt.plainblack.com/uploads/Wm/Ig/WmIglEaUykp2EPtt3LoM8w/Webgui-site.jpg | 05:19 |
| SDuensin | Thanks, rizen | 05:19 |
| +Radix-wrk | LOL | 05:19 |
| SDuensin | I like the layout. Not the yellow. | 05:19 |
| PedersenMJ | Hey, wanna see a style bug on the 6ave site? http://www.6ave.com/shop/category.aspx?cti=0201&pti=0200 go to the bottom, and compare the alignments of the bullets on the last two items. | 05:19 |
| PedersenMJ | I like that style. Not so fond of yellow as a color, so the background isn't my fave, but that's a decent style. | 05:20 |
| @rizen | that layout bug would be an easy one to fix | 05:21 |
| @rizen | but i must say, you're being pretty nitpicky | 05:21 |
| @rizen | although i can't believe it took a year to create that site | 05:22 |
| PedersenMJ | That's just a very very small item in the scheme of things. | 05:22 |
| PedersenMJ | You want fear? Go to the home page, and do a "view source" in your browser. | 05:22 |
| SDuensin | I can. I did an online software store once. Code wasn't bad. Getting the "corporate" people to agree on anything was like herding cats. | 05:22 |
| PedersenMJ | Explain the snippets of 'style="' attributes all over the place. | 05:23 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has joined #webgui | 05:23 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 05:23 | |
| PedersenMJ | That could have been a part of it, true. | 05:24 |
| +Radix-wrk | rizen: one of the things that webgui is exceedingly good at is flexibility of layout - one possible idea for the new webgui site is to allow a user to select between several different styles of the webgui website. Now css can do a lot of that kind of stuff, but using different templates would give an awesome overview of the flexibility of webgui imho. | 05:24 |
| @rizen | tell them that 1999 called and they want their html back | 05:24 |
| PedersenMJ | However, one item that occurred was that, on the day the code was supposed to be installed (some 6 months ago), the lead developer went for a month long trip to Israel? | 05:24 |
| PedersenMJ | Sorry, no "?", he went on a trip to Israel. | 05:25 |
| @rizen | radix: user's can't select that in webgui, only site admins can | 05:25 |
| @rizen | or are you suggesting adding that as a feature to webgui? | 05:25 |
| +perlDreamer | NOOOOO | 05:26 |
| PedersenMJ | Anyway, I'll stop ranting about them now :) | 05:26 |
| +perlDreamer | no more features | 05:26 |
| @rizen | i agree with not adding it | 05:26 |
| +perlDreamer | fix bugs | 05:26 |
| +perlDreamer | write tests | 05:26 |
| @rizen | even after fixing bugs and writing tests | 05:26 |
| PedersenMJ | Actually, I'd vote for that feature, or something similar, at some point. | 05:26 |
| @rizen | why? | 05:27 |
| @rizen | what use does it have? | 05:27 |
| @rizen | as a site admin you want the page to look how you want it to look | 05:27 |
| SDuensin | OK, macro is up. I'm going to bed. Later all! | 05:27 |
| +Radix-wrk | hmm.. actually for demonstration it would be useful, for anything else, not so much | 05:27 |
| @rizen | later | 05:27 |
| +Radix-wrk | by SD | 05:27 |
| +Radix-wrk | bye even | 05:27 |
| @rizen | radix: indeed for demo, but for that, screen shots are good enough | 05:27 |
| PedersenMJ | Allow you to setup multiple looks that you are okay with, and then let the user decide which look-n-feel they want. | 05:27 |
| PedersenMJ | Mandatory? Nah, not by a long shot. | 05:28 |
| @rizen | useful, not by a longshot | 05:28 |
| PedersenMJ | Also true. | 05:28 |
| @rizen | used by more than 1% of webgui users, not by a long shot | 05:28 |
| +Radix-wrk | I just feel that it's hard for people to see the power in webgui until they start playing with templates and see how much flexibility is actually there. | 05:28 |
| @rizen | to get people hooked we need them to see how easy it is to use, then show them how powerful it is | 05:29 |
| +Radix-wrk | I guess you could do that with a quick flash demo or something just as easy | 05:29 |
| +Radix-wrk | I had a look at the Zenoss website yesterday as it was mentioned on /. - the thing that struck me with that website was that it really demoed the product great - there's a quick tour option with lots of pictures and great examples of it in use. Look at the webgui.org website in comparison and it just doesn't have any of that. | 05:32 |
| +Radix-wrk | anyway.. just my 2c | 05:33 |
| +Radix-wrk | afk for a bit.. morning tea time in the office | 05:33 |
| @rizen | agreed | 05:33 |
| +perlDreamer | boy,that ruby on rails is getting so advanced | 05:59 |
| +perlDreamer | check our their new date widget http://datetime.toolbocks.com/ | 05:59 |
| @rizen | hehe | 06:01 |
| @rizen | that's the same old date widget we've had for 4 years | 06:01 |
| @rizen | ok, maybe it's only been 3 years | 06:01 |
| +perlDreamer | it's been in WebGUI as long as I can remember | 06:04 |
| @rizen | when we start moving forward again with dev i'm going to be throwing that one out | 06:05 |
| @rizen | and replacing it with the much more powerful YUI version | 06:05 |
| +perlDreamer | not too bad looking. does it have combo time feature? | 06:07 |
| @rizen | no, i'm going to have to write that | 06:07 |
| @rizen | but it does have a date range feature | 06:07 |
| @rizen | which is nice for things like the calendar | 06:07 |
| @rizen | where you have a start and an end date | 06:08 |
| @rizen | you can choose them both on the same calendar | 06:08 |
| +perlDreamer | that's nice | 06:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm heading home. I've procrastinated going as long as I can. Time to face the in-laws :( | 06:16 |
| @rizen | ew | 06:16 |
| @rizen | good luck | 06:16 |
| +perlDreamer | The force will be with me. | 06:17 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] | 06:17 | |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] | 07:05 | |
| PedersenMJ | g'nite all. see you manana. | 07:31 |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has quit [] | 07:32 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] | 07:37 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI | 07:37 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 08:48 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 08:48 | |
| nuba | quick question, where do I enable intensive debugging ? scenario: i have a workflow instance giving "An Error Occurred/500 Internal Server Error", tried "log4perl.logger = DEBUG, mainlog" at /data/WebGUI/etc/log.conf, it only made the workflow more verbose. i was hoping i'd see webgui more verbose instead, as to help me troubleshoot the error the workflow is receiving. | 08:50 |
| nuba | another quick question: would the question above be more appropriate for the dev forum instead of here ? | 08:51 |
| +Radix-wrk | nuba: Workflows are processed by spectre - so your best bet is to use the spectre debug mode, not webgui debug mode | 08:54 |
| +Radix-wrk | you can run spectre in debug mode by stopping spectre then restarting it using the --debug flag | 08:55 |
| nuba | Radix-wrk: cool. thanks. | 08:56 |
| @preaction | or you could run webgui in INFO mode, then you'd really get some verbosity | 08:56 |
| @preaction | and a whole bunch of gibberish probably | 08:56 |
| +Radix-wrk | that's not going to give details of workflows tho is it preaction? | 08:56 |
| @preaction | i dunno, i've never tried it | 08:56 |
| @preaction | i'd do what Radix-wrk said. | 08:57 |
| nuba | I've tried DEBUG and INFO. DEBUG is more verbose | 08:57 |
| nuba | well, same output as i've got from "log4perl.logger = DEBUG, mainlog" at /data/WebGUI/etc/log.conf | 09:02 |
| nuba | only it was sent to spectre to stdout instead | 09:03 |
| nuba | i got "WORKFLOW: Workflow instance 7R264sdttZYGEuIRebd1Gw posted." blah blah blah "WORKFLOW: [Error] Response for 7R264sdttZYGEuIRebd1Gw had a communications error. <HTML>" etc. again | 09:04 |
| nuba | so, once the workflow instance 7R264sdttZYGEuIRebd1Gw is posted to http://my.webgui.site:81/, where is the debugging switch i should flip to see whats going on ? | 09:05 |
| @preaction | nuba: communications error usually means that something was wrong with trying to post to http://my.webgui.ste:81/ | 09:19 |
| nuba | that would make sense | 09:19 |
| nuba | thx, will look into that now | 09:21 |
| nuba | that nailed it | 09:25 |
| nuba | thanks very mucho :) | 09:25 |
| nuba | this specific site was missing from /etc/hosts | 09:28 |
| nuba | i have a "*.my.domain A IP.AD.DR.ESS" wildcard DNS record at bind | 09:29 |
| nuba | so it resolves fine. but it seems it wasn't enough | 09:29 |
| nuba | weird | 09:29 |
| nuba | beautiful: webgui.log: "Running workflow activity pbwfactivity0000000006, which is a WebG | 09:31 |
| nuba | UI::Workflow::Activity::CommitVersionTag, for instance 7R264sdttZYGEuIRebd1Gw." | 09:31 |
| nuba | so DEBUG mode worked as expected | 09:31 |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] | 10:03 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 10:31 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 10:31 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] | 11:14 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] | 11:16 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 14:15 | |
| -!- ckotil [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has quit ["leaving"] | 16:08 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@133.sub-75-205-113.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI | 16:13 | |
| SDuensin | Good morning | 16:13 |
| -!- ckotil [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has joined #webgui | 16:16 | |
| SDuensin | Morning, ckotil | 16:16 |
| -!- AMH_bob [n=chatzill@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui | 16:34 | |
| AMH_bob | Hi, is anybody out there? | 16:41 |
| * SDuensin is just another brick in the wall. | 16:41 | |
| SDuensin | Hello, AMH_bob | 16:41 |
| AMH_bob | Hi SDuensin, could I run a question by you? | 16:42 |
| SDuensin | Not sure how helpful I'll be, but sure, go ahead. | 16:42 |
| AMH_bob | What is the difference between a wobject and an asset? | 16:42 |
| SDuensin | That's funny. I was going to ask the same thing when some more developers show up today. :-) | 16:45 |
| AMH_bob | Ok, what a coinkidink! | 16:46 |
| AMH_bob | I've followed the Wobject example/tutorial, now I'm starting to dive into the WebGUI framework | 16:47 |
| Radix_ | Wobjects are assets, they just have more methods to handle the UI side of things as they're exposed to the UI | 16:48 |
| Radix_ | assets are more of a base class really, and useful sometimes when a full wobject isn't needed | 16:48 |
| Radix_ | Everything in webgui is an asset | 16:49 |
| * SDuensin is still learning the API and butchering macros. :-) | 16:49 | |
| Radix_ | aren't we all :) | 16:49 |
| AMH_bob | Ok, that clears things up a bit | 16:50 |
| AMH_bob | thank you | 16:50 |
| Radix_ | you're welcome | 16:50 |
| -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has left #webgui ["Leaving"] | 16:52 | |
| -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui | 16:52 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix_] by ChanServ | 16:52 | |
| ckotil | 'mornin | 17:28 |
| ckotil | moved another site to webgui. | 17:29 |
| ckotil | im curious how other people are running multiple websites from a single instance of webgui | 17:29 |
| * SDuensin raises his hand | 17:29 | |
| ckotil | care to enlighten me? | 17:29 |
| SDuensin | Just keep running "addsite" from the WRE. :-) | 17:30 |
| ckotil | ah. | 17:30 |
| ckotil | ive never used the wre. do you know what addsite does? | 17:30 |
| ckotil | i might try to compile the wre again on my mac to see the 'proper' way of adding a site | 17:31 |
| SDuensin | Makes some vhosts and additional config files for WebGUI. | 17:31 |
| SDuensin | There are Mac WREs already compiled. | 17:31 |
| ckotil | does it create a new dir at the root level? | 17:31 |
| ckotil | oh wikd | 17:31 |
| SDuensin | If it's like the Ubuntu one, you get /data/WebGUI with the WebGUI stuff in it, /data/wre with the WRE files, and /data/domains with your site files. | 17:32 |
| SDuensin | BBL - gotta run for a bit | 17:32 |
| ckotil | k | 17:33 |
| -!- bopbop [n=kmccombs@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 17:42 | |
| -!- kristi [n=kmccombs@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 17:58 | |
| -!- bopbop [n=kmccombs@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 17:58 | |
| -!- cga [n=cga@213-140-6-101.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #webgui | 17:59 | |
| -!- AMH_bob [n=chatzill@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.10/0000000000]"] | 17:59 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-122.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui | 18:03 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has joined #webgui | 18:29 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 18:29 | |
| -!- TheSeparator [i=Seppie@cp43027-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has joined #webgui | 18:51 | |
| * SDuensin has returned! | 19:12 | |
| +perlDreamer | who? | 19:29 |
| SDuensin | "ME! JACK BURTAN!" | 19:30 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui | 19:36 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ | 19:36 | |
| +perlDreamer | hey, Jack. You better stop using Scott's nick. It'll make him mad to no end. | 19:42 |
| SDuensin | Hey MrHairgrease | 19:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | hi | 19:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | whats up sudensin | 19:47 |
| SDuensin | Writing JSON RPC services like a madman. | 19:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | what for? | 19:47 |
| xdanger | using webgui ?-) | 19:47 |
| SDuensin | No, this is for some stuff at work using my ZK Desktop. | 19:48 |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-122.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has quit [] | 19:49 | |
| -!- |thunder [n=e@c-68-60-143-198.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 19:49 | |
| |thunder | can webgui be installed and configed via ftp and http like wordpress ? | 19:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 19:50 |
| |thunder | hrm, do i need command lines access ? | 19:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes =) | 19:50 |
| |thunder | is it a service or something | 19:50 |
| |thunder | ahh | 19:50 |
| |thunder | ok | 19:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | well | 19:50 |
| |thunder | damn shared server. | 19:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe you could do it w/o shell | 19:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that would be very hard | 19:51 |
| SDuensin | Not likely. :-( | 19:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | if not impossible | 19:51 |
| |thunder | i cannot run bin at all | 19:51 |
| SDuensin | Be MUCH easier to just get hosting from PlainBlack or someone. | 19:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | shared servers are not suited for webgui | 19:51 |
| * SDuensin hopes to be someone someday. Soon. | 19:51 | |
| +MrHairgrease | it has a lot of cpan dependencies | 19:51 |
| |thunder | I am thinking about 2 years from these guys, you know of a better deal? http://www.siteground.com/ | 19:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you want to run webgui | 19:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | they seem to do only shared hosting | 19:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | which will render running webgui impossible | 19:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | webgui is also not in their software and tool list | 19:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | so it you ask on #webgui, the answer is | 19:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | ofcourse you can get a better deal | 19:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | one that will allow running webgui =) | 19:54 |
| SDuensin | |thunder - https://www.plainblack.com/services/hosting | 19:55 |
| |thunder | im not paying a 100$ setup fee on top of hosting costs. thats retarded | 19:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | it might | 19:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | it might not | 19:56 |
| SDuensin | No setup with PlainBlack. And nobody knows WebGUI better. | 19:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's something you'll have to decide for yourself | 19:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | you could try procolix | 19:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's my former company | 19:56 |
| |thunder | siteground is not shared, 4.95x2 years dedicated hosting | 19:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | they do webgui hosting too | 19:56 |
| |thunder | what is so special about a webgui server ? it has cpan-dev installed? | 19:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | wbegui runs as a mod-perl app | 19:57 |
| SDuensin | WebGUI has a lot of dependencies. It's a huge program. | 19:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | inside of apache | 19:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | also it runs a seperate daemon that handles workflow | 19:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | and schduling | 19:58 |
| SDuensin | And, if you use the WRE, it actually runs *two* copies of Apache. :-) | 19:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | and whatnot | 19:58 |
| |thunder | ok, thanks for the info guys. i doubt i'll go with plainblack, hopefully i can get it up and running on on of sitegrounds servers. | 19:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | where's the part on the siteground site that says dedicated server for $5 a month? | 19:59 |
| |thunder | wheres the part that says shared ? | 19:59 |
| |thunder | im going to call them right now and find out for sure | 20:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you know of a dedicated box for $5 a month hoster | 20:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | pls let me know | 20:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 20:00 |
| SDuensin | No kidding. | 20:00 |
| |thunder | i think it is, but gotta buy 2 years | 20:00 |
| SDuensin | Not for $5. No way. | 20:01 |
| |thunder | ive heard sityegroudn is the best. bbiafew, gonna call them and verify | 20:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 20:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | good luck | 20:01 |
| SDuensin | You really need a shell to install WebGUI. | 20:01 |
| |thunder | k, dont go far | 20:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://www.siteground.com/dedicated_servers.htm | 20:02 |
| SDuensin | Yea. That's more like it. | 20:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | btw | 20:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | the plainblack site says: | 20:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | Our unsupported WebGUI hosting service has a monthly cost of only $20 and no setup fee. These are the services included: | 20:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | that is _no setup fee_ | 20:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | https://www.plainblack.com/services/hosting/20/mo---unsupported-webgui-hosting | 20:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | btw. i do not work for plainblack | 20:04 |
| SDuensin | Me either. | 20:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | so sduensin | 20:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | have you already tried my xeyes macro | 20:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | ? | 20:05 |
| SDuensin | Nope. I got my macro uploaded last night and went to bed. :-) | 20:06 |
| SDuensin | Very cool though. | 20:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | even better | 20:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | it has a hidden feature | 20:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | or should i say | 20:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | undocumented | 20:06 |
| SDuensin | It disables the HGR macro? :-P | 20:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | nah | 20:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | i never disable code i debug =) | 20:07 |
| SDuensin | hehehehe | 20:07 |
| * SDuensin is still waiting for the Image->new patch! | 20:08 | |
| * MrHairgrease had to write a presentation an hour before it was due | 20:09 | |
| +MrHairgrease | so be patient | 20:09 |
| |thunder | damn, "Sneji: $4.95 package is a shared hosting package, yes" | 20:09 |
| SDuensin | Just givin' you hell, MrHairgrease. <G> | 20:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | those prices are only posible in some utopia | 20:10 |
| SDuensin | Yea. Dedicated is $350 a month. | 20:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | sduensin: bring it on! | 20:11 |
| |thunder | "Sneji: the main difference is the server resources | 20:18 |
| |thunder | Sneji: in addition, on a dedicated server you get SSH access+ root access | 20:18 |
| |thunder | Sneji: you get WHM as well | 20:18 |
| |thunder | Sneji: and great management system " | 20:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | same story everywher | 20:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | you want cvontrol | 20:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | you'll have to pay for it | 20:18 |
| |thunder | i want some one to host MY blade for cheap. just pay for bandwidth and reboot service. | 20:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 20:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | you should hire some rackspace at an isp | 20:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | i know only dutch companies that do that | 20:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe this'll help | 20:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=hire+rackspace+isp&btnG=Google+zoeken&meta= | 20:21 |
| SDuensin | Lots of smaller ISPs in the USA will co-locate. | 20:21 |
| |thunder | i'll mail it to holland if they'll do it, :) | 20:21 |
| SDuensin | hehehe | 20:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 20:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | for the record | 20:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | i know only dutch companies since i'm dutch | 20:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | thea | 20:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | in the usa i dunno them | 20:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | prolly has to do with being ducth =) | 20:23 |
| SDuensin | It's called "co-location" here in the USA. | 20:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | in the netherlands to | 20:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | i must have been on drugs | 20:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 20:28 |
| SDuensin | It's also called "time for lunch" here. | 20:28 |
| SDuensin | :-) | 20:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | as long as it's not free | 20:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | here it's called diner time | 20:29 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] | 20:37 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has joined #webgui | 20:54 | |
| -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui | 21:17 | |
| -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 21:20 | |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has joined #webgui | 21:58 | |
| PedersenMJ | Anybody from plainblack: Votes for wcc have gone missing. | 21:59 |
| PedersenMJ | All of them, as far as I can see./ | 21:59 |
| +perlDreamer | no PB people in the room | 21:59 |
| PedersenMJ | Wow, that sucks for timing. | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | but I see your point | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | dude, you were far and away the leader | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | we'll all vouch for you | 22:01 |
| SDuensin | We will? | 22:05 |
| SDuensin | Oh yea. Sure. I will. :-) | 22:05 |
| SDuensin | You were right behind that HGR guy. | 22:05 |
| PedersenMJ | Nah, was hoping they could restore that segment from backup. 'sall. And if there were experiencing a problem and didn't know it, well, this was the one way I could let them know quickly. | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | wiki entries, not ACMEs | 22:06 |
| SDuensin | :-( | 22:07 |
| PedersenMJ | Though I will admit that I'd really like the $250. And the book. | 22:09 |
| SDuensin | Yep. That'd be nice. :-) | 22:09 |
| SDuensin | I wasn't able to make the wiki deadline. Oh well. | 22:09 |
| PedersenMJ | What article were you gonna write up? | 22:10 |
| SDuensin | How to make a nice photo gallery using the folder asset. | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I would love to see that article, contest or not | 22:11 |
| kristi | PedersenMJ: you won the wiki contest. I'm in the process of handing out karma and what not now | 22:12 |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 22:13 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 22:13 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Client Quit] | 22:14 | |
| * SDuensin cheers for PedersenMJ ! | 22:14 | |
| +perlDreamer | ++PedersenMJ | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Way to go! | 22:14 |
| SDuensin | PedersenMJ - the site I'm working on that uses it is at http://new.duensing.com if you want to see it work. | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | The money, the karma, the fame! | 22:14 |
| SDuensin | The book! | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | kristi should autograph it | 22:15 |
| kristi | the glory is all yours | 22:15 |
| PedersenMJ | Oh, wow. Cool. Very cool. Thank you :) | 22:21 |
| PedersenMJ | And preaction is right: Show us that article, SD. Definitely would like to see it (sorry for my idly self, I'm on from work, and fixing a small crisis). | 22:21 |
| SDuensin | I still want to write it. :-) I also did a quick-and-dirty FLV player macro that I want to document. | 22:22 |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 22:22 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ | 22:22 | |
| SDuensin | rizen lives! | 22:22 |
| @rizen | and the winner is | 22:22 |
| @rizen | PedersenMJ | 22:23 |
| @rizen | and Radix get's 2nd and 3rd place | 22:23 |
| PedersenMJ | Yeeha! Cool! :) | 22:24 |
| PedersenMJ | Hey, nice layout, SD. I like it. | 22:25 |
| SDuensin | Thanks, PedersenMJ | 22:25 |
| @rizen | pedersenmj | 22:25 |
| @rizen | need you to email me your address | 22:25 |
| @rizen | so i can ship out your prizes | 22:25 |
| kristi | Radix: can you do the same? | 22:26 |
| kristi | You received second and third place | 22:26 |
| PedersenMJ | jt@plainblack.com? | 22:26 |
| @rizen | yup | 22:26 |
| |thunder | PedersenMJ; was your 'changing the site icon in webGUI'? | 22:27 |
| PedersenMJ | Nope, I think that one was Radix. | 22:28 |
| PedersenMJ | I think. | 22:28 |
| PedersenMJ | Mine was the "Give WebGUI Your Own Style" one. | 22:28 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o kristi] by rizen | 22:28 | |
| PedersenMJ | Oh, jt, emailed it already. | 22:30 |
| @rizen | now i know where to send the serial killers | 22:31 |
| PedersenMJ | Dang. Can't you make it just one off killers? Serial killers are so overdone anymore. | 22:31 |
| -!- cga [n=cga@213-140-6-101.ip.fastwebnet.it] has left #webgui ["90% of the problems that people have with GNU/Linux are to impute to Windows."] | 22:44 | |
| @rizen | i'm fresh out of regular killers | 22:44 |
| @rizen | i have only serial killers | 22:44 |
| @rizen | and guidos | 22:44 |
| PedersenMJ | Damn. Dunno if I could go for a Guido. Not unless he brings along a Nunzio, too. | 22:46 |
| pjesi | PedersenMJ: very nice work on the tutorial! | 22:51 |
| PedersenMJ | Thank you :) | 22:52 |
| pjesi | I wish it was there when I learned to do it the hard way | 22:52 |
| pjesi | :) | 22:52 |
| PedersenMJ | Well, that's why I wrote it. I did it the somewhat hard way, and wanted to make sure I'd have an easier reference later. And the people in-chan helped a lot when I was going about the harder way. | 22:53 |
| ckotil | pjesi: me too | 23:01 |
| @kristi | ckotil: when can I release your little story we worked on last summer?(nag nag) | 23:03 |
| ckotil | yeah, im real sorry about that | 23:09 |
| ckotil | there must have been a snag somewhere in the communications office | 23:09 |
| ckotil | ill ask about it. thanks for the reminder | 23:10 |
| @kristi | sure....perhaps the communication office is communicating so well :) Just let me know | 23:11 |
| ckotil | buncha oxymorons | 23:12 |
| PedersenMJ | Hmmm... Just read the new wcc entry. Possible flaw (depending on POV): It would be possible for me to snag an amazing style from any of the free template sites out there, convert to WebGUI, and submit. | 23:26 |
| SDuensin | New WCC? | 23:26 |
| PedersenMJ | http://www.plainblack.com/wcc/best-webgui-site-style | 23:27 |
| @kristi | let me ask our site designer and see what he thinks | 23:27 |
| SDuensin | That's how I do my themes, PedersenMJ. :-) I suck as a designer! | 23:28 |
| PedersenMJ | Same as me :) | 23:28 |
| @kristi | new rule to be added: original work only | 23:28 |
| PedersenMJ | Thank you :) | 23:28 |
| SDuensin | hehehe | 23:29 |
| PedersenMJ | I remembered speaking with JT some months ago about that, and he (rightfully) was wanting original work only. | 23:29 |
| @kristi | The entry must be original. Submissions must include an attachment of the original design used to create the style (so photoshop, illustrator, etc) | 23:33 |
| PedersenMJ | If somebody uses paper/pencil, will scanned image be acceptable? | 23:34 |
| @kristi | sure, as long as we documentation of the original | 23:34 |
| @kristi | ...have documentation... | 23:34 |
| PedersenMJ | Sounds good. Just wanted to check. Doubt I can do anything with it, but if I can, it'd be nice. | 23:36 |
| -!- kristi [n=kmccombs@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has left #webgui [] | 23:36 | |
| @rizen | kristi is making that contest so you have to do original works? | 23:42 |
| @rizen | hmm | 23:42 |
| PedersenMJ | I thought that was what you were hoping for? | 23:43 |
| @rizen | well i think originals are better | 23:45 |
| @rizen | less question of copyright or licensing | 23:45 |
| @rizen | but we will likely get fewer participants | 23:45 |
| SDuensin | Headed home. Later gang! | 23:59 |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@133.sub-75-205-113.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 23:59 | |
| --- Day changed Fri Mar 30 2007 | ||
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has joined #webgui | 00:04 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ | 00:04 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 00:09 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 00:09 | |
| pjesi | next wcc, no open source design allowed? | 00:11 |
| @rizen | i'm going to talk to kristi about that | 00:12 |
| @rizen | i'm thinking they should be allowed | 00:12 |
| @rizen | but i'll see what her thoughts are on that | 00:12 |
| pjesi | ok, for those of use who can't paint :) | 00:13 |
| pjesi | s/use/us | 00:13 |
| @rizen | feel free to voice your concerns to her | 00:14 |
| @rizen | she's either kristi or bopbop on irc | 00:14 |
| @rizen | or you can email her at kristi@plainblack.com | 00:14 |
| pjesi | ok thanks | 00:14 |
| -!- TheSeparator [i=Seppie@cp43027-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has quit [] | 00:36 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI | 01:45 | |
| @rizen | kill him!! | 01:46 |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has left #webgui [] | 01:47 | |
| * SDuensin hides | 01:50 | |
| Radix__ | rizen: could you rate my rfe if you have a minute? http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/additional-post-template-variables-for-cs#Vqh5yCK93ub8YQWAxbgfXA | 02:28 |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] | 02:29 | |
| Radix__ | guess not | 02:29 |
| -!- Radix__ is now known as Radix_ | 02:29 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix_] by ChanServ | 02:30 | |
| +perlDreamer | psst, Radix_ | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | don't suggest adding more template vars to the CS | 02:33 |
| +Radix_ | hmm? | 02:33 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui | 02:33 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ | 02:33 | |
| +perlDreamer | it just makes it slower | 02:33 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen doesn't like slower | 02:33 |
| +Radix_ | Umm.. sure, but what if you want the functionality? | 02:33 |
| +perlDreamer | good point | 02:33 |
| +Radix_ | the current synopsis is pretty crappy | 02:33 |
| +Radix_ | we want some kind of snippet of each post displayed, but don't want the whole thing | 02:34 |
| +perlDreamer | is that the asset level synopsis? | 02:34 |
| +Radix_ | post synopsis | 02:34 |
| +Radix_ | it's generated from the post description | 02:34 |
| +Radix_ | but it's done in a really bad way | 02:34 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, first physical line | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I see your point | 02:35 |
| +Radix_ | it displays everything in the post up to the first return character | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | but if you break things by words, don't you risk having dangling HTML tags? | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | wouldn't it be better if there was a <span> marker to indicate the user desired synopsis? | 02:36 |
| +Radix_ | yeah, I guess there is that | 02:36 |
| +Radix_ | the same problem would exist in the standard article then too | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, it does | 02:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | my 2ct | 02:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | although i dunno quite exactly what you guys are talking about | 02:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | is using HTML::TreeBuilder | 02:37 |
| +Radix_ | http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/additional-post-template-variables-for-cs#Vqh5yCK93ub8YQWAxbgfXA | 02:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | that thing always fixes html | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | MrHairGrease, can the SQLForm do a drill down report (search within last search result set)? | 02:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 02:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | you mean refine search right? | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | This user is asking for a drill down, but defining it as a refine, yes. | 02:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 02:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | let's state it differently | 02:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | search within results? | 02:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | that is waht you mean? | 02:40 |
| * MrHairgrease has just returned from the bar and is a little less inteligent right now | 02:41 | |
| +Radix_ | hehe | 02:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | radix | 02:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | go to work =) | 02:41 |
| +Radix_ | shoosh.. yes, I should be heading off to work | 02:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's about 1.45am right now | 02:41 |
| +Radix_ | 7.42am here | 02:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | gottalove those tz's | 02:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 02:42 |
| +Radix_ | ;) | 02:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | wtf | 02:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | you get up before 12? | 02:42 |
| +Radix_ | unfortunately :( | 02:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | no worries | 02:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | when you go to bed | 02:42 |
| +Radix_ | got a half day off today tho.. attending a games/entertainment expo this afternoon on work time ;) | 02:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll be cursing the damned time | 02:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 02:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | for you it's already friday | 02:43 |
| +Radix_ | yup | 02:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's a good thing i guess | 02:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | marijn says hi btw | 02:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | dunno if you guys know who she is | 02:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | but i'll e3xplain someday | 02:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 02:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | one hint | 02:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | i know her for about 5 years | 02:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | but we're heavily involved for only 4.something | 02:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | well | 02:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | gotto go to bed | 02:46 |
| +perlDreamer | sleep well, ACME-dude | 02:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | watch out for them crocs mate =) | 02:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | Colin, have you tried it already? | 02:49 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] | 02:51 | |
| +perlDreamer | no | 02:51 |
| +perlDreamer | poor guy, probably crashed out on his keyboard | 02:52 |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui | 03:46 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ | 03:46 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has quit [] | 03:53 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has joined #webgui | 03:54 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] | 04:11 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 04:15 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-122.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui | 05:51 | |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] | 05:54 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] | 06:26 | |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has joined #webgui | 06:36 | |
| PedersenMJ | Good evening. | 06:36 |
| -!- cap10morgan_ [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-122.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui | 06:49 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-122.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 06:49 | |
| +Radix-wrk | Hey PedersenMJ - congrats on 1st place for the wiki competition :) | 06:53 |
| PedersenMJ | Thanks. Congrats on sweeping the rest :) | 06:53 |
| +Radix-wrk | ;) | 06:55 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui | 07:08 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 07:08 | |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] | 07:10 | |
| -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Hinrik, PedersenMJ, +perlDreamer, ckotil, perlbot, nuba, cap10morgan_, SDuensin, pjesi, +Radix_, (+2 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) | 08:08 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 08:08 | |
| -!- Netsplit over, joins: +perlDreamer, cap10morgan_, PedersenMJ, SDuensin, +Radix_, |thunder, ckotil, besonen_mobile, Hinrik, perlbot (+2 more) | 08:08 | |
| -!- ServerMode/#webgui [+ovv preaction perlDreamer Radix_] by irc.freenode.net | 08:08 | |
| -!- cap10morgan_ [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-122.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has quit [] | 08:08 | |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."] | 08:10 | |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has quit [] | 08:20 | |
| -!- Netsplit over, joins: @preaction, SDuensin, +Radix_, |thunder, ckotil, besonen_mobile, Hinrik, perlbot, pjesi, nuba | 08:34 | |
| --- Log closed Fri Mar 30 09:13:14 2007 | ||
| --- Log opened Fri Mar 30 09:21:37 2007 | ||
| -!- xdanger [i=xdanger@217.112.244.70] has joined #webgui | 09:21 | |
| -!- Irssi: #webgui: Total of 11 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 1 voices, 9 normal] | 09:21 | |
| -!- Irssi: Join to #webgui was synced in 3 secs | 09:21 | |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@194.171.50.114] has joined #webgui | 10:34 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ | 10:34 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] | 12:21 | |
| pjesi | morning | 13:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | hi | 13:41 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@194.171.50.114] has left #webgui [] | 13:56 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 14:16 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@44.sub-75-204-11.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI | 15:50 | |
| SDuensin | Good morning. | 15:50 |
| pjesi | hi | 16:06 |
| pjesi | I have a question to you guys, what is the best method to add flash to a page? | 16:07 |
| SDuensin | I wrote a little macro. All I do is FLV files though. | 16:10 |
| +Radix_ | I use swfobject.js to load it | 16:37 |
| SDuensin | What's that? | 16:38 |
| SDuensin | NM - found it | 16:38 |
| SDuensin | Might have to update my macro to use that. :-) | 16:41 |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 16:44 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ | 16:44 | |
| SDuensin | Greetings, rizen. | 16:44 |
| @rizen | greetings sd | 16:44 |
| -!- AMH_bob [n=chatzill@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui | 16:56 | |
| pjesi | I am thinking for a regular user who wants to put a lot of flash files to WG, some WYSIWYG editors have a flash button to directly create the html code to encapsulate it in a page | 16:56 |
| pjesi | normal users are quite afraid of macros, at least in my experience | 16:58 |
| SDuensin | Normal users are afraid of their computers. :-) | 16:59 |
| pjesi | well, it doesnt stop them wanting to do this to it! :D | 16:59 |
| SDuensin | All my clients tend to go "can you do this?" and then hand me a napkin with some doodle on it. | 17:01 |
| ckotil | heh | 17:01 |
| SDuensin | One of these days, I'm just going to scan it and put it up. | 17:01 |
| @rizen | when people want to use flash, i typically give them a flash template to use with their file assets | 17:02 |
| -!- cga [n=cga@213-140-6-101.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #webgui | 17:03 | |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has joined #webgui | 17:06 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ | 17:06 | |
| pjesi | SDuensin: yeah, Im in a position where I cant accept napkins (full time student :) | 17:20 |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-122.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui | 17:21 | |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] | 17:25 | |
| +Radix_ | We use flash movies for training purposes - but we host our flash movies offsite on an ftp in a standard directory. I have a special video CS object I get them to set up, and it has the full base path for the movies in the template. all they do is upload their flash to the directory and add a post with the same basename as the flash movie and it just works. | 17:42 |
| +Radix_ | Works well for us and simple enough that anyone can add flash movies easily | 17:43 |
| SDuensin | That's too easy. It'll never work. | 17:44 |
| +Radix_ | :) | 17:44 |
| pjesi | :> | 17:47 |
| -!- bopbop [n=kmccombs@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 18:03 | |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 18:14 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-122.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has quit [] | 18:15 | |
| -!- AMH_bob [n=chatzill@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.10/0000000000]"] | 18:17 | |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has joined #webgui | 18:18 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ | 18:18 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has joined #webgui | 18:54 | |
| * ckotil chalks up failed attempt #4 + #5 of the wre | 18:54 | |
| ckotil | I was trying it on a xen virtualized RHEL AS5 server | 18:55 |
| ckotil | tried rh4 ,and from source. both b0rked | 18:55 |
| ckotil | 'configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH' whats an acceptible c compiler? | 18:56 |
| * SDuensin just read that as an "ASS server". | 18:58 | |
| SDuensin | Maybe it's mad about the version of GCC you have? There are some differences between 3 and 4. | 18:58 |
| SDuensin | (Last time I used Red Hat [and liked it] was the 5.x series, so I may not be the best person to ask!) | 18:59 |
| ckotil | perlbot paste | 19:02 |
| perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. | 19:02 |
| ckotil | http://erxz.com/pb/1980 | 19:02 |
| SDuensin | Wow. Nice gibberish error. | 19:05 |
| ckotil | eh, i figured it out | 19:07 |
| ckotil | i ran into this error before actually. | 19:07 |
| ckotil | for some reason $dsn = "DBI:mysql:mysql;host=".getMysqlHost().";port=".getMysqlPort(); | 19:07 |
| ckotil | will not be passed around properly | 19:07 |
| ckotil | so i had to replace $dsn w/ "DBI:mysql:mysql;host=".getMysqlHost().";port=".getMysqlPort() whenever it occured (one other time) | 19:07 |
| ckotil | wahoo. furthest ive ever made it on a wre install! | 19:08 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 19:08 |
| ckotil | doh. | 19:08 |
| ckotil | jinxed it | 19:08 |
| ckotil | yeah. flippin DSN error still | 19:14 |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 19:22 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ | 19:22 | |
| @rizen | radix...please tell me you're here | 19:22 |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Client Quit] | 19:24 | |
| -!- bopbop [n=kmccombs@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has left #webgui [] | 20:23 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 23:00 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 23:00 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] | 23:17 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@44.sub-75-204-11.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 23:53 | |
| --- Day changed Sat Mar 31 2007 | ||
| -!- cga [n=cga@213-140-6-101.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit ["90% of the problems that people have with GNU/Linux are to impute to Windows."] | 00:07 | |
| -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui | 00:38 | |
| -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 00:39 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 02:48 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 02:48 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] | 03:53 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 04:02 | |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has joined #webgui | 04:53 | |
| PedersenMJ | good evening | 04:53 |
| @vayde | Howdy | 05:02 |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] | 05:03 | |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI | 05:43 | |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has joined #webgui | 05:46 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ | 05:46 | |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has quit [] | 07:22 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-122.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui | 07:49 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 08:09 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 08:10 | |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@64-131-48-253.usfamily.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] | 08:35 | |
| -!- preaction_ [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 09:55 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 10:11 | |
| -!- preaction_ [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 10:19 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 10:26 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 10:26 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 10:26 | |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 13:32 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 13:33 | |
| -!- cga [n=cga@213-140-6-101.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #webgui | 16:03 | |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has joined #webgui | 17:18 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ | 17:18 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-122.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has quit [] | 18:28 | |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui | 19:53 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ | 19:53 | |
| -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-122.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui | 22:11 | |
| cap10morgan | Is there a way to instantiate pending assets using the API? WebGUI::Asset->new purposefully ignores pending assets... | 22:12 |
| cap10morgan | unless they're in the current version tag, that is | 22:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | i don't know | 22:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | you could write a small utility script to test that | 22:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh sry | 22:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | read your line wrong | 22:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | i dunno how to do that | 22:50 |
| -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 23:09 | |
| --- Log closed Sun Apr 01 00:00:24 2007 | ||
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!
