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| @vayde | cap10morgan, how irritating is that leading space problem in DateTime? | 01:54 |
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| cap10morgan | vayde: heh, pretty annoying | 01:54 |
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| cap10morgan | oh, that's probably already reported as a bug, isn't it? | 01:54 |
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| cap10morgan | it just occurred to me that i didn't even check... :/ | 01:54 |
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| @vayde | The reason I ask, is that's the proper behavior of the perl DateTime module | 01:54 |
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| cap10morgan | vayde: oh... | 01:55 |
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| cap10morgan | suck | 01:55 |
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| @vayde | Yeah, you have been burining up the bug reports | 01:55 |
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| cap10morgan | haha, it's true | 01:55 |
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| @vayde | I can figure a way to work around it, but i'm wondering if that's put in there for a reason. | 01:55 |
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| @vayde | I don't know what that reason might be though. | 01:55 |
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| cap10morgan | vayde: yeah, seems pretty weird | 01:55 |
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| cap10morgan | the month %M one doesn't do that | 01:56 |
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| @vayde | that's cos there's a workaround in the wG version. | 01:56 |
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| @vayde | now that you point that out, that tells me what to do. thanks | 01:57 |
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| @vayde | I just didn't want to change it before giving someone a chance to point out why the leading space was necessary in some obscure way. | 01:57 |
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| @vayde | Fixed your '+' in emails too btw | 02:00 |
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| cap10morgan | yeah, i saw that thanks | 02:11 |
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| cap10morgan | thanks for fixing this one too :) | 02:11 |
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| cap10morgan | if you told a workflow to run in the scheduler (i.e. the manual "Run" link), and it just didn't do anything (nothing in the log, not even at info level), what would be the first things to check? | 02:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | vayde! You're up late tonight | 07:42 |
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| @vayde | Late? Oh I don't know | 07:43 |
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| @vayde | Mostly been hangin out hopin you'd show up | 07:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | I was in Seattle over the weekend | 07:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | any luck with your www_view stuff? | 07:45 |
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| @vayde | I haven't really messed with it this weekend. I was hunting other bugs | 07:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | I buttoned up the isSingleton one just now. | 07:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | isSingleton wasn't checked in www_editSaveWorkflow | 07:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | :( | 07:46 |
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| @vayde | It really only showed up in a test wobject I was playing with, so I chalked it up to my mistake. However I get the same puzzler with debugs put into Asset.pm | 07:46 |
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| @vayde | damn. I was gonna start the day tomorrow with a simple one. | 07:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah, sorry about that. But I know why you're having www_view problems. | 07:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | Wobjects inherit from Wobject.pm | 07:47 |
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| @vayde | Please enlighten me | 07:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | Wobject.pm's www_view does not call SUPER | 07:47 |
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| @vayde | I must have mistyped | 07:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | you put stuff into Wobject.pm's www_view and it doesn't get called? | 07:48 |
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| @vayde | that works allright | 07:48 |
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| @vayde | putting stuff into Asset.pm 's www_view method doesn't work | 07:49 |
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| @vayde | putting them in both yields Wobject.pm 's message only. | 07:49 |
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| @vayde | hence it looked like somehow the base class was overriding the derived class | 07:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | it is | 07:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | Wobject.pm has a www_view | 07:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | it doesn't call SUPER | 07:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | so it's overridden, not extended | 07:50 |
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| @vayde | Oh duh! Wobject inherits from Asset, not the other way around | 07:50 |
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| @vayde | I was thinking Article, and putting my statements into Asset | 07:51 |
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| @vayde | Well, I knew there was a problem, and it turns out that problem is me! | 07:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't suppose preaction said anything about MrHairGrease's proposed Post.pm fix? | 07:52 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: didn't work. | 07:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | bummer | 07:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | I've been drooling over this | 07:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://sourceforge.net/projects/smolder | 07:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | Back in December I did some P6 test hacking. | 08:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | They use something that looks like Smolder (may actually be) | 08:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | It was awesome | 08:00 |
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| @vayde | Hmm. No, it's not just me. Putting the following into Article.pm yields nothing: $self->session->errorHandler->warn('foo'); print STDERR "foo \n"; | 08:01 |
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| @vayde | neither on the page or in the logs. It's like the method isn't being called. | 08:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | restarted Apache after changing it? | 08:03 |
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| @vayde | yeah, couple of times | 08:03 |
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| @vayde | and dumped the caceh | 08:03 |
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| @vayde | cache | 08:03 |
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| @vayde | Been wracking my brain trying to find out how that would even be possible, and if it is, how we're doing it. Seems to be an interesting trick. | 08:05 |
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| @vayde | even this doesn't work: die "ARRRGH! \n"; | 08:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm getting the same thing | 08:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | Wobject's www_view is being called | 08:09 |
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| @vayde | Oh good, then it's not just me. | 08:09 |
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| @vayde | rizen said something about it being a wG thing, but didn't have time to explain. I may not have communicated what was going on precisely though | 08:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | hang on, I have an idea | 08:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | The article you're looking at, is it inside a Layout? | 08:11 |
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| @vayde | Page layout? Yes. | 08:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | that is why | 08:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think | 08:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | Layout calls the child Asset's prepareView directly | 08:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | so it never invokes www_view | 08:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | The Wobject call is from the Layout, not from the article | 08:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | if you view the Article URL directly, you should see it pop-up | 08:12 |
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| @vayde | Since Layout basically means a page, isn't everything technically in a Layout? | 08:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | no | 08:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | Assets, in wG 6.3, were originally concieved to be "pageless". | 08:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | you wouldn't need a container Asset to have a single Article. | 08:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | But most entry level wG users couldn't get the idea into their heards, so the Layout is used everywhere | 08:13 |
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| @vayde | Aha! Light dawns on shady brook! | 08:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | but if you go directly to any Asset's URL, it will use whatever page style it is configured to have and render you "a page". | 08:14 |
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| @vayde | If I call it directly it dies screaming. That's gratifying | 08:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's one of the hiccups people have with the CS | 08:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | some want it to remain "embedded" in the current page, rather than pushing down into the core CS asset itself | 08:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | this also means that cache specific behavior for the Article is not propagated up to the page through www_view. | 08:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's worth bringing up to JT, since viewing an Article on a page will increase the load on the server | 08:17 |
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| @vayde | I'll mention it to him | 08:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | tomorrow, if you like, I can show you the test scripts | 08:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | I've been told that my tests are a little confusing | 08:19 |
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| @vayde | I'll take any help you have time/interest in offering | 08:19 |
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| @vayde | especially when it prevents me from bugging JT or preaction. I sense they cringe when I log on | 08:20 |
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| +Radix-wrk | "But most entry level wG users couldn't get the idea into their heards, so the Layout is used everywhere" - not just entry level wG users - I'm still this way and don't think that will ever change to be honest. | 08:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | I must be making large (and false) assumptions. | 08:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | my apologies | 08:22 |
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| +Radix-wrk | none taken ;) | 08:22 |
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| @vayde | I didn't really think of 'Layout' and 'Page Layout' as the same thing. I just figured the page layout thing was a fancy interface to the page's properties. | 08:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | it is | 08:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | Layout is just a container. | 08:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | Like a Folder | 08:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | The Wiki is also pretty much a container. | 08:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | and the CS | 08:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | and the Calendar | 08:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | they don't really do much beyond aggregate data from their children | 08:24 |
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| @vayde | I see that now. Thanks. | 08:24 |
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| @vayde | Well, that's it for me. 'night all | 08:48 |
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| nuba | so, while using WWW::Mechanize to mass migrate some content to Articles w/ file attachements i had to manually add the file input to the form before posting it, as it is currently added by javascript. should I file that as a bug ? | 11:51 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning. | 15:49 |
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| pjesi | hi SDuensin | 15:50 |
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| SDuensin | Hey pjesi | 15:51 |
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| preaction_ | can someone here try to access http://commctrl.com and get a default webgui install page? | 18:46 |
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| @preaction | just trying to check that my router is working right | 18:46 |
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| ckotil | its just loading and loading.... | 18:47 |
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| ckotil | timed out | 18:47 |
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| @preaction | that's not as good | 18:48 |
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| @preaction | that sounds like what manuel does, since it's trying to run Perl CGI on a 90mhz machine. | 18:48 |
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| @preaction | when the router should be pointing to wyoh... | 18:48 |
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| ckotil | heh | 18:49 |
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| pjesi | I get a page | 18:49 |
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| @preaction | pjesi: a page with green on the top? | 18:49 |
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| pjesi | sorry I dont | 18:50 |
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| * pjesi looked at the wrong tab | 18:50 |
| @preaction | rofl... my DNS provider reset my settings? | 18:52 |
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| ckotil | I just experienced some wierd shit, was editing an asset, but never got attached to a version tag. | 18:52 |
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| @preaction | what kind of asset? | 18:53 |
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| ckotil | folder asset | 18:53 |
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| @preaction | that is weird | 18:54 |
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| ckotil | tell me about it. quite scary too | 18:56 |
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| ckotil | the manager caught the problem. | 18:56 |
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| ckotil | i have yet to expirience it | 18:56 |
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| ckotil | im hoping its related to me clearing the file cache via a scheduled task | 18:57 |
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| perlmonkey2 | preaction: run your own DNS cacheing service and no more problems with DNS providers :) | 19:01 |
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| @preaction | i lied, nothing in the DNS changed | 19:01 |
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| @preaction | the router restarted itself | 19:01 |
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| @preaction | everything Should work | 19:01 |
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| @preaction | it works internally, with my /etc/hosts files updated accordingly | 19:01 |
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| ckotil | damn, WebGUI dir is at half a gig now | 19:12 |
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| SDuensin | That's all? You're not trying! | 19:13 |
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| ckotil | good to hear | 19:14 |
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| ckotil | pastebin paste | 19:14 |
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| ckotil | perlbot paste | 19:15 |
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| perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. | 19:15 |
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| ckotil | http://sial.org/pbot/23946 | 19:15 |
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| SDuensin | I've got one of about 5 sites half built and I'm at 1.5. Moving it to my host is going to take forever. :-) | 19:15 |
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| ckotil | weatherdata is really screwing me | 19:15 |
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| pjesi | topic is old :) | 19:17 |
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| @preaction | ckotil: you're going to have to comment out the sub that adds that column so that your upgrade can run successfully, after you restore from backup | 19:18 |
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| @preaction | one of these days someone should remind me to ask TMRFE for a week or two to build a better upgrade system | 19:19 |
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| ckotil | ok. so i need to restore my back up first? | 19:19 |
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| ckotil | then run upgrade.pl with the commented out sub? | 19:19 |
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| @preaction | yes, that upgrade (.10-.11) didn't get to finish because it died in the middle | 19:20 |
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| ckotil | ok, ya i see an open version tag | 19:20 |
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| @preaction | but the upgrade.pl script kept on going, which i would consider a bug but JT would call an RFE | 19:20 |
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| ckotil | heh | 19:21 |
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| ckotil | so this sub updateTemplates{} | 19:21 |
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| @preaction | no | 19:21 |
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| @preaction | there's a section after WebGUI::Session->open that is a list of subroutine calls | 19:21 |
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| @preaction | nevermind, there's only that one thing in that upgrade anyway | 19:22 |
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| ckotil | in updrade_7.3.10-7.3.11.pl? | 19:22 |
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| @preaction | yeah, after my $session = start(); | 19:22 |
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| @preaction | it's fixWeather or something | 19:22 |
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| ckotil | got it. | 19:23 |
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| ckotil | can i just rerun the upgrade script or must i bring up my backup? | 19:23 |
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| @preaction | how long has it been since the backup? | 19:23 |
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| ckotil | just did it a minute ago | 19:23 |
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| ckotil | jsut before the upgrade | 19:24 |
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| @preaction | it would probably be best to bring up the backup | 19:24 |
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| ckotil | k | 19:24 |
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| @preaction | somehow your site got the additional weather column without running the upgrade | 19:24 |
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| ckotil | i was told to add it while trying to fix bug | 19:24 |
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| ckotil | :/ | 19:24 |
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| @preaction | that'd be why | 19:25 |
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| @preaction | it's best to bring up the backup in case something in the 7.3.11 upgrade relies on something in the upgrade that failed | 19:25 |
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| ckotil | k | 19:25 |
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| @preaction | in this case, it probably did not happen, but better safe than sorry and other trite expressions | 19:25 |
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| ckotil | always | 19:26 |
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| ckotil | upgrade complete | 19:32 |
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| ckotil | thx | 19:32 |
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| ckotil | mmm paginated commite version goodness | 19:45 |
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| ckotil | commited | 19:45 |
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| SDuensin | Hey rizen | 19:54 |
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| @rizen | howdy | 19:54 |
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| +snapcount | anybody home? | 21:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | hola | 21:08 |
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| pjesi | hæ | 21:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | how you doing, man? | 21:08 |
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| +snapcount | life is rough... I have to wait for at least 2 hours before WoW downloads | 21:09 |
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| +snapcount | =) | 21:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | I've been feeding your crickets | 21:09 |
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| +snapcount | heh | 21:09 |
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| +snapcount | I should enter the style wcc | 21:10 |
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| +snapcount | that would be funny | 21:10 |
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| +snapcount | Steve would get nausea | 21:10 |
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| +snapcount | lime green with orange | 21:10 |
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| +snapcount | lots of <blink> tags | 21:10 |
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| +snapcount | show off my design prowess | 21:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | blink is so 90's | 21:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | we need to update it for y2k | 21:11 |
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| +snapcount | I can bring it back | 21:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | we'll call it the "bling" tag | 21:11 |
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| +snapcount | there ya go | 21:11 |
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| +snapcount | I haven't had a chance to check out the acme entries... | 21:13 |
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| +snapcount | any good ones? | 21:13 |
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| * SDuensin thinks so. :-) | 21:13 |
| +snapcount | what did you submit? | 21:13 |
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| SDuensin | The HGR Macro. | 21:13 |
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| +snapcount | what does it do? | 21:14 |
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| SDuensin | Lets you use Apple II high resolution images as assets. :-D | 21:14 |
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| +snapcount | is there a reason that you couldn't do that without the macro? | 21:15 |
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| +snapcount | I don't really know what an Apple II high res image is or what's unique about it | 21:15 |
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| SDuensin | It reads them right off Apple II ProDOS formatted disk images and displays them as PNGs. | 21:15 |
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| pjesi | haha | 21:15 |
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| SDuensin | Apple II images are 240x192 six color images saved as an 8k raw memory dump of the video page of an Apple II. | 21:16 |
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| SDuensin | They're encoded really funky like. Woz managed to get six displayable colors (there are actually 8, but two are white and two are black) out of a 1 bit memory map. | 21:16 |
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| +snapcount | well that definitely sounds like an acme contrib =) | 21:17 |
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| +snapcount | nicely done | 21:17 |
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| SDuensin | :-) | 21:17 |
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| SDuensin | I figured that was weird enough. | 21:17 |
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| +snapcount | I'm fresh out of Apple II's though | 21:17 |
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| +snapcount | so I guess I can't try it out | 21:17 |
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| SDuensin | I put a sample image in the archive. | 21:18 |
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| +snapcount | so the image can be stored on other OS's and still requires the macro? | 21:18 |
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| +snapcount | what does it do... translate to a web friendly binary format? | 21:18 |
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| SDuensin | Makes it a PNG | 21:19 |
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| +snapcount | ok the light bulb is starting to come on | 21:19 |
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| +snapcount | sounds pretty cool | 21:19 |
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| SDuensin | You can have multiple 8k pictures stored in a 140k ProDOS disk image. | 21:20 |
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| pjesi | SDuensin: how long time did it take you? | 21:20 |
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| SDuensin | Few days. WebGUI API was the hardest part. :-) | 21:20 |
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| +snapcount | I want to write a code breaking wobject | 21:20 |
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| +snapcount | for substitution ciphers | 21:21 |
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| +snapcount | not brute force though, that's gay | 21:21 |
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| +snapcount | I was going to have it use a frequency method | 21:21 |
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| SDuensin | Do a one-time pad. Each run needs a new PM module. | 21:21 |
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| +snapcount | based on the language the message is in | 21:21 |
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| cap10morgan | so, we have around 55 domains in our webgui 7 installation | 21:22 |
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| cap10morgan | but spectre seems to be getting further and further behind | 21:22 |
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| +snapcount | The thing that interested me was the algorithim for breaking the cipher so I was going to write it all from scratch | 21:22 |
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| +snapcount | I just like to use WebGUI because of the API | 21:22 |
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| +snapcount | granted it's probably more familiar to me =) | 21:22 |
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| cap10morgan | the server has plenty more horsepower to throw at it, but how do i tell spectre to use it? | 21:23 |
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| cap10morgan | i've tried increasing the number of maxWorkers to 25 | 21:23 |
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| cap10morgan | what else should i do? | 21:23 |
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| +snapcount | what is spectre getting hung up on? | 21:23 |
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| cap10morgan | the workflow queue just keeps getting longer and longer | 21:24 |
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| cap10morgan | it's processing through it all | 21:24 |
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| cap10morgan | but it just keeps growing | 21:24 |
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| +snapcount | latest version? | 21:24 |
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| cap10morgan | yeah | 21:24 |
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| cap10morgan | 7.3.13 in WRE 0.7.2 | 21:24 |
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| cap10morgan | on RHEL 4 | 21:24 |
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| +snapcount | there is probably a workflow that is hanging up | 21:24 |
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| +snapcount | spectre doesn't ignore those anymore | 21:24 |
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| cap10morgan | i'm watching spectre run, there doesn't seem to be | 21:24 |
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| +snapcount | it pushes them to the bottom of the que | 21:24 |
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| +snapcount | so if you have a list that is growing... that would be my first guess | 21:25 |
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| cap10morgan | ok | 21:25 |
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| * SDuensin is excited - he just ordered a virtual server to put his WebGUI (and other) STUFF ON! WHOOO! | 21:25 |
| +snapcount | basically if the wf has a problem it becomes priority 0 | 21:25 |
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| +snapcount | so spectre runs the other stuff and then trys those again | 21:25 |
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| +snapcount | set your logging to debug and see if you have errors | 21:26 |
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| cap10morgan | ok | 21:26 |
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| +snapcount | btw this is just community advice | 21:27 |
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| +snapcount | I don't work for pb anymore so this isn't official support | 21:27 |
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| +snapcount | just so you know | 21:27 |
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| cap10morgan | ok | 21:27 |
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| SDuensin | That means we don't have to pay you. :-) | 21:27 |
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| cap10morgan | haha | 21:27 |
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| +snapcount | that's one way to look at it =) | 21:27 |
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| +snapcount | SDuensin: where did you get your server? | 21:28 |
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| SDuensin | LiquidWeb. I've been using them for some time. Support is excellent. (I'd have done PlainBlack, but I need root access and can't afford them - yet!) | 21:29 |
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| cap10morgan | one of our domains just added a ton of workflow instances to the queue at priority 20 | 21:29 |
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| +snapcount | I think that higher number == lower priority | 21:30 |
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| SDuensin | snapcount - I just got this: https://www.liquidweb.com/shared/plan4.htm | 21:30 |
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| +snapcount | I never looked at that code after rizen re-wrote it | 21:30 |
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| +snapcount | I need to setup a virtual machine in windows... what do you guys recommend? | 21:31 |
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| +snapcount | VMWare appears to cost $$$ | 21:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | installing linux :) | 21:31 |
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| +snapcount | and I don't like that | 21:31 |
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| cap10morgan | VMWare Server is free | 21:31 |
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| cap10morgan | that's what i use | 21:32 |
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| +snapcount | My bodybugg doesn't work in Linux | 21:32 |
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| +snapcount | so I need windoze | 21:32 |
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| +snapcount | and I have the muscle to run a virtual machine pretty snappy | 21:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | what's a bodybugg? | 21:32 |
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| +snapcount | amazing what 4 sata2 baracuddas in Raid 0 will do for performance | 21:33 |
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| +snapcount | it's a "Make yourself un-fat monitor" | 21:33 |
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| +snapcount | its an armband that measures the amount of calories you're burning | 21:33 |
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| +snapcount | I want to loose 2lbs/week | 21:33 |
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| +snapcount | so I need to burn 1000 calories more than I consume each day | 21:34 |
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| +snapcount | this tells me how many I'm burning and the food log part of the software tells me how much is going in | 21:34 |
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| +snapcount | the software is all web based but uses active x controls so it requires IE | 21:35 |
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| perlmonkey2 | how does it know how many you are burning? | 21:35 |
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| +snapcount | it measures a lot of things like number of steps, heart rate, and the electrical conduction between two points on your skin | 21:36 |
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| +snapcount | some how all of that crap into some formula lets them figure it out | 21:36 |
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| +snapcount | pretty amazing | 21:36 |
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| +snapcount | also your skin temperature I think | 21:36 |
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| perlmonkey2 | that is amazing. | 21:36 |
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| +snapcount | www.bodybugg.com | 21:36 |
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| pjesi | snapcount: that is no excuse | 21:37 |
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| pjesi | http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page | 21:37 |
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| pjesi | :P | 21:38 |
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| wgGuest49 | what the f | 21:38 |
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| perlmonkey2 | IEs4Linux++ | 21:38 |
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| +snapcount | apparently this chat java applet doesn't like it when you minimize the window | 21:39 |
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| pjesi | did you see the url? | 21:40 |
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| +snapcount | no | 21:40 |
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| pjesi | [19:37] <pjesi> http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page | 21:41 |
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| +snapcount | will active x controls work? | 21:43 |
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| +snapcount | I think that's how it interfaces with the hardware | 21:43 |
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| SDuensin | This is a better URL: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ | 21:43 |
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| SDuensin | :-) | 21:43 |
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| +snapcount | that's funny | 21:44 |
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| SDuensin | snapcount, just snag VMWare Server. It works great. | 21:44 |
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| SDuensin | Video is slow on the Server edition, but you just minimize it and SSH in anyway. :-) | 21:44 |
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| +snapcount | will that allow you to create the virtual machine? | 21:44 |
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| cap10morgan | snapcount: yes | 21:44 |
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| SDuensin | Or you could be completely psycho and use CoLinux. | 21:44 |
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| SDuensin | Yes. | 21:44 |
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| +snapcount | ok that sounds good... vmware server is the free one right | 21:45 |
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| SDuensin | BillSoft also gives away VirtualPC now, too. I prefer VMWare Server though. | 21:45 |
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| SDuensin | Yep. Free. | 21:45 |
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| +snapcount | cool | 21:45 |
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| +snapcount | It will slow down my WoW download for a bit but I suppose that's acceptable | 21:45 |
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| SDuensin | hehehe | 21:46 |
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| +snapcount | 3.18 GB | 21:46 |
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| SDuensin | You're a digital crack addict. | 21:46 |
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| +snapcount | 20% done woo hoo | 21:46 |
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| +snapcount | digital crack eh? | 21:46 |
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| +snapcount | haven't heard that one yet | 21:46 |
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| SDuensin | That reminds me - I need to install CentOS in a VM. | 21:46 |
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| +snapcount | but it sound appropriate | 21:46 |
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| SDuensin | World of Warcrack? | 21:46 |
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| +snapcount | ahh | 21:46 |
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| +snapcount | I haven't played in quite a while | 21:47 |
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| +snapcount | I'm starting up again | 21:47 |
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| * snapcount has a relapse | 21:47 |
| SDuensin | It's the newer, more addictive, version of EverCrack. | 21:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | Intervention! | 21:47 |
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| * SDuensin just sticks with IRC. It's the same, but with lower system requirements. | 21:47 |
| +snapcount | always wanted to be on TV | 21:47 |
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| +snapcount | I finally have a system that can play games again | 21:47 |
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| +snapcount | so I'm happy | 21:47 |
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| SDuensin | I do, too. Just can't find *time* to play them! | 21:48 |
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| +snapcount | ah yes | 21:50 |
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| +snapcount | time | 21:50 |
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| SDuensin | I bought a GameBoy DS game. Figured I could play it while on the couch or wherever and maybe get to game a bit. My two year old has played it more than I have. (She's watched the intro at least two hundred times.) | 21:51 |
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| +snapcount | my Mom hijacked my DS when I visited her last | 21:53 |
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| +snapcount | now she has her own | 21:53 |
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| +snapcount | thank God | 21:53 |
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| +snapcount | she got hooked on Brain Age | 21:53 |
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| SDuensin | hehe | 21:53 |
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| SDuensin | The game I got was "Hotel Dusk: 215". What I've seen of it is pretty cool. | 21:54 |
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| +snapcount | crap I keep forgetting this is a 64 bit machine | 21:55 |
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| +snapcount | I'm constantly downloading the wrong stuff | 21:55 |
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| SDuensin | ehe | 21:55 |
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| SDuensin | hehe | 21:56 |
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| ckotil | brain age is neat | 23:21 |
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| SDuensin | Wow, ckotil, you got some lag. :-P | 23:26 |
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| ckotil | heh | 23:28 |
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| * ckotil blames the 3 beers at lunch | 23:28 |
| ckotil | it acutually just clicked now in my head what brain age was. | 23:28 |
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| cap10morgan | so, i have a custom workflow that i wrote that runs fine on my development box | 23:28 |
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| * ckotil 's brain age is 200 | 23:28 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 23:29 |
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| cap10morgan | but on my server, it doesn't run | 23:29 |
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| cap10morgan | it doesn't spit out any errors or anything in the log | 23:29 |
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| cap10morgan | even when i run it manually in the scheduler admin console | 23:29 |
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| cap10morgan | any idea what to check? | 23:29 |
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| cap10morgan | i have a once every 5 minute schedule for it to run, but it just doesn't | 23:30 |
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| ckotil | what does it do? | 23:30 |
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| ckotil | what kind of workflow? | 23:30 |
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| cap10morgan | it processes "actions" | 23:30 |
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| cap10morgan | which are basically dataform submissions | 23:31 |
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| cap10morgan | once it's done its work, it marks the datafrom_entry as processed in the db (using a new field) | 23:31 |
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| cap10morgan | but that's not happening | 23:31 |
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| cap10morgan | i see no evidence anywhere that it's even attempting to run... :/ | 23:31 |
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| cap10morgan | hahaha | 23:32 |
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| cap10morgan | it just ran | 23:33 |
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| cap10morgan | finally! | 23:33 |
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| cap10morgan | :) | 23:33 |
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| ckotil | heh | 23:33 |
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| ckotil | so spectre took a while to process it? | 23:33 |
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| cap10morgan | wow, it took it like half an hour to run | 23:33 |
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| cap10morgan | well, it didn't even attempt to run it until just now | 23:33 |
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| ckotil | thats one of my biggest complaints with webgui right now | 23:33 |
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| cap10morgan | and then it completed basically instantly | 23:33 |
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| cap10morgan | how asynchronous spectre is? | 23:34 |
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| ckotil | not sure. | 23:35 |
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| ckotil | seems to be quite a bit tho | 23:35 |
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| ckotil | otherwise why would jobs take so long to process , or even get into the queue? | 23:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's very hard to debug spectre problems on dev systems | 23:39 |
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| @rizen | pd, i disagree | 23:41 |
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| @rizen | spectre has all kinds of debug and testing stuff now | 23:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | I should be more clear | 23:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's hard to replicate some spectre problems on dev systems | 23:41 |
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| @rizen | and as for synchronicity problems, it's got to be a config error, or you've found a new bug that no one else has reported | 23:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | spectre seems to be very situatinos dependent | 23:41 |
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| @rizen | have you guys done: perl spectre.pl --status | 23:42 |
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| @rizen | It tells you what's in the queue and how long it's been running | 23:42 |
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| @rizen | what the status of each things is as well | 23:42 |
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| SDuensin | Ok, heading home. Later all. | 23:51 |
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| cap10morgan | spectre.pl --status is pretty interesting | 00:41 |
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| cap10morgan | i have a bunch (over 400) waiting workflows, all at priority 20 or 21 | 00:42 |
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| cap10morgan | the ones at 21 are complete | 00:42 |
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| cap10morgan | the ones at 20 are all "never run" | 00:42 |
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| rizen_ | "complete" means that it successfully ran it's last task | 00:42 |
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| cap10morgan | does 400 workflows seem normal for ~10 domains? | 00:46 |
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| @rizen | not even close to normal | 00:46 |
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| cap10morgan | kinda what i thought... | 00:46 |
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| cap10morgan | hmm... | 00:46 |
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| @rizen | it does depend on your spectre settings though | 00:46 |
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| @rizen | what does your spectre config look like? | 00:47 |
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| @rizen | the defaults aren't really adequate for a multi-domain server | 00:47 |
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| cap10morgan | ok to paste to channel? | 00:47 |
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| @rizen | perlbot paste? | 00:47 |
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| perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. | 00:47 |
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| cap10morgan | http://sial.org/pbot/23951 | 00:48 |
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| @rizen | wow | 00:49 |
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| cap10morgan | i love ~70 domains by the time this is a production server | 00:49 |
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| @rizen | i wouldn't set max workers higher than 5 | 00:49 |
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| cap10morgan | oh, ok | 00:49 |
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| @rizen | also, time between workflows should probably be 1 second | 00:50 |
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| cap10morgan | ok, changing those | 00:50 |
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| @rizen | generally speaking you want the list of running workflows to be empty | 00:51 |
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| @rizen | aka zero latency | 00:51 |
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| cap10morgan | right | 00:51 |
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| @rizen | for example: http://sial.org/pbot/23952 | 00:53 |
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| @rizen | this particular box has 90 sites running on it | 00:53 |
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| @rizen | the only ones sitting in the queue are ones that are waiting for approval | 00:54 |
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| cap10morgan | is priority 20 the lowest priority? | 00:54 |
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| @rizen | nope | 00:54 |
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| @rizen | well wait | 00:54 |
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| @rizen | by lowest do you mean "least" | 00:54 |
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| @rizen | the priorities are 0, 10, and 20 | 00:54 |
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| @rizen | the starting | 00:54 |
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| @rizen | something with a priority of 0 will be run immedietly | 00:55 |
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| cap10morgan | ok | 00:55 |
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| cap10morgan | gotcha | 00:55 |
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| @rizen | as things are executed, their priority will increase | 00:55 |
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| cap10morgan | alright, my queue is steadily declining now | 00:55 |
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| @rizen | you may see something like 243/20 as a priority | 00:55 |
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| @rizen | meaning that it has executed 223 times | 00:56 |
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| @rizen | and started at 20 | 00:56 |
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| cap10morgan | oh, ok | 00:56 |
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| @rizen | generally, anything running that long is going to be problematic | 00:56 |
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| cap10morgan | right, makes sense | 00:56 |
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| @rizen | everything that comes with webgui will fully complete withing 5-15 executions | 00:56 |
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| cap10morgan | thanks rizen, that's working much more smoothly now | 01:04 |
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| @rizen | glad to hear it | 01:04 |
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| @rizen | incidentally there's a lot of info about spectre included in the upcoming "WebGUI Administrators Guide" book that i'm writing | 01:05 |
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| @rizen | you should check it out | 01:05 |
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| @rizen | it should be out mid may | 01:05 |
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| cap10morgan | oh, cool | 01:05 |
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| cap10morgan | well that was fun | 01:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | vayde, you want to talk tests? | 01:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan: indeed. at least it was short | 01:10 |
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| cap10morgan | :) | 01:10 |
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| @vayde | sure, let's talk tests | 01:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | We'll do the email one first, it's the easiest. | 01:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | 1) Grab a copy of my wG testing talk from http://www.sunsetpres.org/web/webgui | 01:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | 2)Skim it (10-15 minutes tops) | 01:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | 3) Holler back | 01:11 |
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| @vayde | will do | 01:11 |
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| @vayde | Woah, pD. I just looked at the clock. I have to teach shortly. I'll read it and check back with you either later tonight if you're around or tomorrow | 01:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | no problem | 01:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | hack on, it whatever medium you need to | 01:15 |
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| --- Log closed Tue Apr 03 03:58:51 2007 |
| --- Log opened Tue Apr 03 12:58:56 2007 |
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| SDuensin | Blargh. Morning. | 15:57 |
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| AMH_bob | Goodmorning | 15:59 |
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| SDuensin | Hey AMH_bob | 16:04 |
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| * SDuensin is already having a bad day. :-( | 16:04 |
| SDuensin | You'd think a company the size of Apple would be able to pay their bills. | 16:05 |
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| * SDuensin has the worst luck getting paid for his work. <sigh> | 16:06 |
| AMH_bob | They make pretty good stuff, that's all I know! | 16:19 |
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| * SDuensin is on a MacBook Pro right now. :-) | 16:21 |
| AMH_bob | would like to be on a MacBook Pro right now :P | 16:24 |
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| AMH_bob | I'm in The Netherlands, it seems that this channel gets busy when I head off to home ... :( | 16:25 |
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| AMH_bob | its 3:24 pm here | 16:25 |
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| AMH_bob | I'm crash coursing wobjects now... it is starting to make sence | 16:32 |
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| SDuensin | Cool, AMH_bob - I get to learn that yet. | 16:35 |
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| SDuensin | I *almost* had it figured out in the 5.x series. Then I went away for a bit. :-) | 16:35 |
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| SDuensin | Hey MrHairgrease | 16:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hi | 16:37 |
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| cga | ciao a tutti =) | 18:03 |
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| cga | ohps sorry | 18:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hi | 18:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | MrHairGrease: Do you know if there's a EuroWUC this year? | 19:21 |
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| +MrHairgrease | While I am not certain | 19:22 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I think no | 19:22 |
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| +MrHairgrease | It there is, I would've prolly heard about it | 19:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, thanks | 19:22 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that is, if oit wer to be in NL | 19:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, you are well connected in the Euro wG community | 19:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | only in the dutch incrowd | 19:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | most of the other euro guys i have never seen | 19:23 |
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| dgm | trying to install webgui from source.... and I have to say... the instructions are severly lacking. | 21:02 |
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| perlmonkey2 | How long would it take to port WebGUI to use Moose? I've already tested Moose with Poe with no issues. | 21:02 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Although I don't start the Poe event loop until the Moose post-constructor BUILD call. | 21:03 |
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| SDuensin | Moose? | 21:03 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Moose is Perl6 OO in Perl5 | 21:04 |
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| SDuensin | Ah. | 21:04 |
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| SDuensin | dgm - you mean the WRE? | 21:04 |
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| dgm | no, the source | 21:05 |
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| perlmonkey2 | yes, rewrite all of the source in Moose. | 21:05 |
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| SDuensin | Source of WebGUI? Or compile the WRE from source? | 21:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | installing wG from source couldn't take more than 15-30 minutes, with most of that being downloading and installing perl modules from CPAN | 21:06 |
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| dgm | webgui source | 21:06 |
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| dgm | on ubunto 6.06 | 21:06 |
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| dgm | cpan modules wouldn't all install | 21:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | which ones? | 21:06 |
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| SDuensin | Why not use the WRE for Ubuntu? | 21:07 |
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| dgm | I already have other apahce websites.... doesn't the WRE supply another apache? | 21:08 |
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| SDuensin | Two more, in fact. :-) | 21:08 |
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| perlmonkey2 | dgm, I originally thought the documentation was lacking, because I didn't have a lot of modules installed. The real problem was the documentation was too thorough and I had skimmed a lot of it, missing crucial steps. Everything I had to do to get WebGui source running on brand new Fedora boxes was in the documentation. | 21:08 |
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| dgm | the cpan stuff should be earlier | 21:09 |
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| dgm | the instructions show the apache config before showing the cpan stuff, but some perl stuff needs to be installed before the web server is restarted | 21:10 |
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| dgm | gah. I have to give up for today... 3 hours is too much | 21:11 |
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| SDuensin | He was fun. | 21:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, but too bad he wouldn't give more details | 21:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | dgm is a PHP/perl/rails dev | 21:12 |
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| SDuensin | Ah | 21:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: it would be a big task to rewrite everything in Moose. | 21:13 |
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| * SDuensin is a whatever-the-source-is-in dev. | 21:13 |
| perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: probably makes more sense to wait until Perl6 is production worthy? | 21:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen would like to move to p6 when that happens | 21:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | It would be nice (very nice) to have the power of p6 today, but don't you think it would be much slower than regular old p5? | 21:15 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I've signed up to the pugs project, but haven't had time to contibute :( | 21:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | WebGUI can always use more perl hackers | 21:15 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Slower? Definetely. Noticeably? Probably not. | 21:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | are there any Moose benchmarks out there for comparison? | 21:16 |
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| * perlmonkey2 would love to be a full time Perl project hacker. | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I found a little info in Moose::Cookbook::FAQ | 21:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | the big risk in such a big rewrite is that there's no wG-wide test suite to back you up. | 21:19 |
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| perlmonkey2 | yes, it wasn't a very well thought out idea. But irc is perfect for those :P | 21:20 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Plus, since p6 is ontrack for xmas2007, the rewrite would just be wrapped up when p6 design work would need to be started. | 21:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe we should flesh out wG's test suite to make such ideas easier to implement? | 21:21 |
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| perlmonkey2 | And the p6 rewrite will be magnitudes more fun. | 21:21 |
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| perlmonkey2 | With threading functional and working, I wonder if POE will be necessary anymore? | 21:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | p6 has been on track for xmas 2\d\d\d for a long time | 21:22 |
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| perlmonkey2 | #perl6 is very assuring on this issue. | 21:23 |
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| * perlmonkey2 gets a little sick to his stomach thinking about a redesign of WebGui that would not entail using POE. | 21:26 |
| * perlDreamer heads off to lunch. bbl | 21:27 |
| SDuensin | WTF is POE anyway? All I know is that I updated it. :-) | 21:31 |
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| ckotil | http://poe.perl.org/?POE_Components_List | 21:32 |
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| perlmonkey2 | POE is a psuedo operating system/event handler. | 21:34 |
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| SDuensin | ah | 21:35 |
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| SDuensin | Man, there's POE crap for everything. :-) | 21:37 |
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| perlmonkey2 | yes, POE is like butta | 21:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | vayde, want to talk tests? | 22:58 |
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| @vayde | I'd love to, but I have to squash something for JT first | 22:59 |
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| SDuensin | He's scared of spiders, eh? | 22:59 |
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| @vayde | gimme a few to puzzle over it, maybe you can explain it to me | 22:59 |
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| @vayde | call me the Orkin man... Nik Bash Bugs! | 23:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | are we going to release tomorrow? | 23:01 |
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| @vayde | I don't know. I'm pretty low on the totem pole | 23:04 |
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| @preaction | god i remember saying that same thing a few months ago | 00:28 |
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| @vayde | ahh, the good old days eh? | 00:36 |
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| @vayde | now you're the 'elder brother' as we would say in kung fu | 00:37 |
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| @preaction | of course, kohai | 01:18 |
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| @vayde | wrong country round eye. To me you're 'sihing'. | 01:20 |
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| @preaction | that's racist, dog | 01:20 |
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| @preaction | they're not round, they're more droopy | 01:20 |
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| @vayde | Hey, as a Japanese/Swedish/Scot I reserve the right to use 'round eye' any time I want. Don't make me serve you raw lutefisk while wearing a kilt! | 01:23 |
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| @preaction | Japanese/Swedish/Scot who teaches Chinese martial art? | 01:24 |
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| * preaction braces for "wrong country, <insert racist term>" | 01:24 |
| @vayde | Yup. My great-great-great grandfather was samurai, and I only do chinese martial arts. My family is very disappointed | 01:24 |
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| @preaction | i'd break out the "slope", but i'm white, so therefore I cannot play with racism. | 01:25 |
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| @preaction | yeah, i'd say so. how long did Japan have to defend itself against Chinese/Mandarin tyrants? | 01:26 |
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| @vayde | At least twice, but other than the Mongols, I don't really remember. | 01:27 |
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| @vayde | I'm more familiar with the times it wen't the other way | 01:27 |
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| @preaction | the evil japanese imperialists? I remember one, and vaguely remember that another one might've been a factor in a mongol occupation before the mongols established a dynasty. but i'm probably just admitting my own ignorance | 01:30 |
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| @vayde | I have a weapon style/form that was specifically tailored to fight the japanese katana. | 01:31 |
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| @vayde | I'm not much of an historian, really. I just hit stuff. | 01:32 |
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| @vayde | Is there a support/hosting price list somewhere? | 02:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | https://www.plainblack.com/store/services | 02:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlbot: PBstore is https://www.plainblack.com/store/services | 02:18 |
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| perlbot | added PBstore to the database | 02:18 |
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| @vayde | duh. found it | 02:18 |
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| +Radix_ | mornin' | 02:24 |
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| +Radix_ | I'm winning on the ACME contest so far.. of course noone else has voted and I voted for myself, but hey.. | 02:25 |
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| +Radix_ | ;) | 02:25 |
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| * PedersenMJ wavers. | 05:59 |
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| pjesi | \o | 06:17 |
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| pjesi | PedersenMJ: how many styles do you plan to submit to the contest? :-) | 06:18 |
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| PedersenMJ | I still thought it had to be all original? And, though I can convert without problem, making a new one? I suck. | 06:18 |
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| pjesi | it has been changed? | 06:23 |
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| pjesi | I think | 06:23 |
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| pjesi | you can convert open source templates | 06:23 |
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| PedersenMJ | Ah, cool. In that case, I might have time to convert a good three or four of them :) | 06:25 |
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| pjesi | nice! | 06:25 |
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| pjesi | I was hoping I can find the time for one! | 06:25 |
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| PedersenMJ | Hey, they're pretty easy. Just go down the tutorial I wrote, working on any given theme. Shouldn't take but 3 to 4 hours, depending on complexity. | 06:26 |
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| PedersenMJ | Some could take longer, sure, but they're pretty easy overall. | 06:26 |
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| pjesi | PedersenMJ: yeah I know how to make them, but just really busy | 06:26 |
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| pjesi | for instance I am pulling an "allnighter" as we speak | 06:27 |
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| PedersenMJ | Ah, ditto. Still, it's a chance for another $250, so I can make some time. | 06:27 |
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| pjesi | :) | 06:27 |
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| PedersenMJ | Just got home from work half an hour ago myself (it's now 11:30pm). | 06:27 |
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| pjesi | Im doing final assignments for a msc course | 06:27 |
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| pjesi | I have written more code in the last three week then the entire year 2006 | 06:28 |
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| pjesi | weeks* | 06:28 |
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| PedersenMJ | Well, if it was for you, rather than for a course, I'd say congrats on these 3 weeks. | 06:28 |
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| pjesi | it is 4:28 over here | 06:28 |
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| pjesi | :) | 06:28 |
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| pjesi | Im just really tired, have to submit at noon | 06:29 |
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| PedersenMJ | That's never any fun. | 06:29 |
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| pjesi | but I learned a lot on these three weeks, so I dont regret it | 06:30 |
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| pjesi | but it would be nice to do some fun work that does not require much "brains" like converting a style :) | 06:34 |
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| PedersenMJ | Heh. I'm working on finishing a python app of mine before I allow myself some of the fun stuff. | 06:34 |
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| PedersenMJ | Wonder if it could be done for perl, actually? It's a three piece tool for python scripts. | 06:36 |
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| PedersenMJ | 1) Run a compile process over all files. | 06:36 |
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| PedersenMJ | 2) Run a documentation checker, making sure that all docs are written, properly tagged, etc | 06:37 |
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| PedersenMJ | 3) Run a unit test coverage checker, which makes sure that every method has a unit test, and that the test actually calls the method | 06:37 |
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| PedersenMJ | (woops, 4 parts) 4) Run the unit tests | 06:37 |
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| PedersenMJ | I don't doubt it could be done in/for perl, but I have no idea how I'd go about it. | 06:39 |
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| pjesi | python is cool | 06:43 |
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| pjesi | the web frameworks look really promising | 06:44 |
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| PedersenMJ | Can be, sure. I dunno. I'm using it because it's the best tool for the job I've got in mind, but I can't honestly say I really like it. Sorry, but the mandatory whitespace thing really bugs me. | 06:44 |
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| PedersenMJ | Okay, this one made me LOL: http://www.bash.org/?258104 | 06:46 |
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| pjesi | I dont mind it | 06:46 |
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| pjesi | hehe | 06:47 |
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| PedersenMJ | Yeowch. Here's one I'd not soon try on *any* machine I cared about (unless it was Windows... wait, I did say cared abotu, which eliminates Windows anyway): http://www.bash.org/?96164 | 07:02 |
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| @preaction | roflrofl | 07:02 |
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| PedersenMJ | Shh! he's back! | 07:05 |
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| @preaction | don't say that, now he knows! | 07:05 |
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| PedersenMJ | Damn! Hinrik, please log out, log back in again, and pretend you haven't seen anything, okay? | 07:06 |
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| PedersenMJ | Video that you need to see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFpp1zRrDfg | 07:18 |
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| PedersenMJ | Well, will enjoy seeing, if you like flight. | 07:18 |
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| pjesi | what did I miss? :s | 07:30 |
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| pjesi | Hinrik: you better upload pictures of the kitten real soon, I want to see the soldier | 07:30 |
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| Hinrik | talking about me eh... | 08:37 |
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| Hinrik | pjesi: here you go | 08:43 |
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| Hinrik | http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2674/kitty1fu1.jpg | 08:43 |
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| Hinrik | http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8739/kitty2tf5.jpg | 08:43 |
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| Hinrik | http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/1848/kitty3hl1.jpg | 08:43 |
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| Hinrik | http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/7666/kitty4ra3.jpg | 08:43 |
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| Hinrik | http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8611/kitty5fq2.jpg | 08:43 |
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| Hinrik | http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1086/kitty6xm7.jpg | 08:43 |
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| Hinrik | excuse the toes | 08:44 |
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| @preaction | KITTIES | 08:48 |
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| @preaction | ooh, he's a teenager and he's all gangly and CUUUUUTE | 08:48 |
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| @preaction | oh.. it was just that one pichar he looked gangly | 08:48 |
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| pjesi | pie | 08:57 |
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| Hinrik | she | 08:59 |
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| @preaction | i hate learning that my assumptions were wrong and having to undo 4 hours of work at 2:00 in the morning... | 10:19 |
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| * preaction goes to bed instead | 10:19 |
| +Radix-wrk | heh | 10:25 |
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| @preaction | and my gf wonders why i'm gaining weight... no time to do anything but sit here with a computer on my lap... | 10:26 |
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| * preaction stops whining | 10:26 |
| +Radix-wrk | I had a similar ordeal today | 10:26 |
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| @preaction | eventually, i mean | 10:26 |
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| @preaction | yum | 10:26 |
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| +Radix-wrk | assumptions are killers | 10:26 |
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| @preaction | one of those "I want to build an EMP so that every computer will die and we'll have to use tech manuals to build our technology back up to current level over a slow period of a few decades"? | 10:27 |
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| +Radix-wrk | heh | 10:28 |
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| +Radix-wrk | http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18099897 | 10:28 |
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| +Radix-wrk | did I post that one in here? | 10:29 |
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| @preaction | not that i know of | 10:30 |
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| @preaction | 3 minutes into it and ... wow... | 10:32 |
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| +Radix-wrk | yeah | 10:33 |
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| @preaction | of course, all he had to do was say "hold the power button for 6 seconds" | 10:34 |
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| +Radix-wrk | personally I think both are idiots.. the dell tech was obviously following protocol by asking for his basic questions.. knowing that if he didn't get them up front the guy would hang up | 10:34 |
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| @preaction | i hate level 1 techs | 10:34 |
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| +Radix-wrk | that said, he could have told the guy this up front so the guy didn't go on and on | 10:35 |
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| +Radix-wrk | but obviously the second guy is an idiot also who just likes the sound of his own voice and likes to yell and abuse. | 10:35 |
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| @preaction | i dunno man, after an hour screwing around with those automated systems, i want to kill people too | 10:36 |
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| @preaction | that added to the "it's so simple I'm stupid for not figuring it out" embarassment of how to turn the thing Off | 10:37 |
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| @preaction | after the first bit of yelling, i'd deviate from script and say "hold the power button down for a few seconds" | 10:37 |
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| @preaction | and now i'm reading this thread and i'm wondering why more people do NOT yell at the tech support people... | 10:40 |
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| @preaction | their bosses seem to think that support is just a waste of money. a "120 second handle time", what if it's actually a real PROBLEM? | 10:40 |
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| +Radix-wrk | yup, which is why i said both are idiots | 10:44 |
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| @preaction | http://customerssuck.com <- some hilarity here | 10:53 |
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| @preaction | has anyone seen ubuntu's launchpad recently? https://launchpad.net | 11:55 |
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| @preaction | wonder if the new webgui.org site could do things as straightforward as this | 11:55 |
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| +Radix-wrk | it's very nice | 12:02 |
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| @preaction | screw that, it's amazing | 12:02 |
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| @preaction | RFE for built-in bug tracking to the project manager perhaps? | 12:03 |
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| @preaction | plainblack is just using a CS right now | 12:03 |
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| @preaction | built-in release tracking too maybe? mark bugs for certain releases and then the release can have a percentage done | 12:04 |
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| @preaction | mark RFEs as well, put them in the same system (being able to choose between "RFE", "Minor", "Major", "Critical" or "Fatal") | 12:08 |
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| +Radix-wrk | hehe.. I want to download it and install it on a server here to manage our own projects.. wish we could! | 12:21 |
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| +Radix-wrk | anyways.. hometime now.. adios | 12:21 |
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| @preaction | cya | 12:21 |
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| +Radix_ | I should prolly write this up in the wiki sometime I guess - http://www.plainblack.com/web_design_templates_and_themes/newbie-how-to-set-navigation-for-different-areas-of-the-site | 13:28 |
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| @preaction | snippets are cached, so the slowdown with assetproxy calls is minimal compared to the time it saves you. processor time is less expensive than programmer time (which i try to convince my bosses of every time they tell me to optimize before implementation) | 13:30 |
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| * preaction remembers that the channel is listening and there are logs... | 13:31 |
| @preaction | but yes, that would make a bully wiki article | 13:31 |
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| +Radix_ | "The awesome power of snippets and assetproxy - or how to make your site more dynamic than ever" | 13:33 |
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| +Radix_ | http://www.biggercheese.com/comics/0332.png | 13:49 |
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| @preaction | they h4x0r3d t3h g1b50n! | 13:50 |
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| ckotil | If you have a workflow w/ object type WebGUI::VersionTag , can you create a scheduled event to execute a workflow w/ object type WebGUI::User without getting errors? | 15:53 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning. | 15:58 |
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| @preaction | ckotil: iirc versiontag and user workflows don't work under the scheduler (since they require objects) | 15:58 |
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| ckotil | I see | 15:58 |
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| ckotil | that makes sense | 15:58 |
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| ckotil | Can I safely delete the workflow from the WorkflowInstance table? | 15:59 |
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| @preaction | maybe, maybe not | 16:01 |
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| @preaction | i personally haven't had any major problems removing things from the WorkflowInstance table, and you might want to go remove things from WorkflowInstanceScratch too, but ymmv | 16:02 |
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| ckotil | the bulk of the workflow ran fine, its just this last activity in the workflow that is getting hung up bc its a create scheduled event w/ WebGUI::User | 16:02 |
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| ckotil | yah. ive done it in the past, and nothing got screwed up | 16:03 |
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| ckotil | I had this workflow creating a scheduled event to send an email notifying users that there is a pending version tag needing to be approved | 16:05 |
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| ckotil | it just occured to me i can pull this off with this activity i have that lets me send an personilzed email message to any email address | 16:05 |
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| ckotil | i think i found a bad bug | 17:28 |
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| ckotil | w/ editing file assets. | 17:28 |
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| ckotil | when you click save, the file gets downlaoded and an warning is thrown | 17:29 |
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| ckotil | WARN - globalnoc.webgui.conf - main::[[undef]] - Couldn't call method editSave on asset for url: | 17:29 |
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| ckotil | Root cause: Can't call method "setPrivileges" on an undefined value at /gnoc/globalnoc/htdocs/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/File.pm line 251. | 17:29 |
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| @vayde | ugh | 17:29 |
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| ckotil | im about to revert to a backup | 17:30 |
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| ckotil | bc i have to be able to have users edit file assets | 17:30 |
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| @vayde | when did that start? | 17:30 |
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| ckotil | today | 17:30 |
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| @vayde | which version? | 17:30 |
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| ckotil | i upgraded yesterday | 17:30 |
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| ckotil | 7.3.13 | 17:31 |
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| @vayde | write it up so we have a record of it in the system, and I'll jump on it right away | 17:32 |
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| ckotil | submitting a post to the PB Support forum | 17:32 |
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| ckotil | http://www.plainblack.com/plain_black_support/wierd-behavior-when-editing-file-asset | 17:35 |
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| @rizen | why are you giving me that url? | 17:35 |
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| ckotil | habbit | 17:39 |
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| ckotil | sorry | 17:39 |
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| ckotil | thanks jt | 19:03 |
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| @rizen | np | 19:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | bunches and bunches of PB people today | 20:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | hello PB people! | 20:27 |
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| @preaction | hello perlDearest | 20:28 |
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| @rizen | preaction......your wording scares me sometimes | 20:55 |
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| @preaction | "wording"? | 20:55 |
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| @rizen | perlDearest | 20:55 |
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| @rizen | and i remember one time you saying something like "yes JT sweetums" or something like that to me | 20:56 |
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| @preaction | it's a good gauge of my mood: the more eloquent the speech, the more embarassed or ashamed or... oh, you're talking about THAT | 20:56 |
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| @preaction | that's just good ol fashioned fun! | 20:56 |
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| +MrHairgrease | what's wrong with that sweetums? | 20:56 |
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| @preaction | yeah, pookie-pie? | 20:56 |
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| * preaction might have just gone too far | 20:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | nah | 20:57 |
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| +MrHairgrease | you have to call jt my little p[onie for that | 20:57 |
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| +MrHairgrease | or | 20:57 |
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| @preaction | is that a reference to Plone? one of the Axis of Evil? | 20:57 |
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| +MrHairgrease | maybe carebear\ | 20:57 |
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| @rizen | i hate you guys | 20:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | fyr! | 20:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i can't belive that you liked the bofh macro better than the l33tout | 20:58 |
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| @preaction | MrHairgrease: i wasn't able to get the l33tout to work :'( | 20:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | what? | 20:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | what went wrong | 20:59 |
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| @rizen | and l33tout is a remake, where bofh is brand new | 20:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i didn't say so in the rules | 20:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but then again | 20:59 |
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| @preaction | couldn't call method "get" on an undefined value at line something, i can dig it up hang on | 20:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i do not care that much | 20:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh | 20:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | weird | 20:59 |
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| @rizen | there's nothing saying you can't do a remake...just that i prefer new stuff to a remake | 21:00 |
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| +MrHairgrease | file a bug report =) | 21:00 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ok | 21:00 |
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| +MrHairgrease | fair enough | 21:00 |
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| @rizen | also...bofh gives you something new an hillarious everytime | 21:00 |
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| +MrHairgrease | try explain that to marijn | 21:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | so who is marijn? | 21:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | you were going to tell us about her last week but were suffering | 21:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | from EBC | 21:01 |
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| +MrHairgrease | a girl who like ultrahip eurothrash with sex appeal | 21:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | can she hack? | 21:01 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no | 21:01 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but she can drink | 21:01 |
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| +MrHairgrease | which is a virtue in itself | 21:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | 1/2 isn't bad! | 21:01 |
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| +MrHairgrease | right? | 21:01 |
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| @rizen | i'm not certain why she likes ultruhip eurotrash though | 21:02 |
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| @preaction | can she outdrink a german? | 21:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's the sex appeal | 21:02 |
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| @preaction | no, can she outdrink an Irishman? | 21:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, bring her to Wisconsin in October | 21:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | we'll teach her perl | 21:02 |
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| @preaction | we can test the german one then | 21:02 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ok pd | 21:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | you get joeri to ay expenses for marijn | 21:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and i might bvring her | 21:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | actually | 21:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | she's part of your staff | 21:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | required for travel | 21:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's not an option | 21:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | there's a picture of her in the spot gooey section | 21:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no staff! | 21:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i don't have any staff | 21:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | being a minion muself | 21:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | who is going to check your flights, handle appointments, speaking engagements and the autograph event? | 21:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | joeri is | 21:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but he also pays my bills | 21:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh | 21:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | diners ready | 21:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | w00t! release. | 21:40 |
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| ckotil | hrm, i cant seem to recall wehre the code is that will prevent me from uploading an htm file. automatically turns it into a txt | 21:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | Storage.pm | 21:42 |
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| ckotil | thx p | 21:42 |
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| ckotil | d | 21:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | ckotil: btw, I haven't had a chance to look at your workflow bug. It may be a while, so if you'd like someone else to look at it it's fine by me. | 21:43 |
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| ckotil | no problem. | 21:44 |
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| ckotil | none of the bugs seem to be urgently requiring attention | 21:44 |
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| * SDuensin has been busy as crap today. | 22:28 |
| * pjesi has not slept for 37 hours | 22:31 |
| SDuensin | I slept, but I don't know if it did any good. | 22:35 |
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| * ckotil bites | 22:35 |
| ckotil | why? | 22:35 |
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| pjesi | three deadlines at noon | 22:44 |
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| ckotil | thats hardcore | 22:44 |
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| pjesi | yeah I should know | 22:45 |
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| SDuensin | Been there, done that. You can keep it. | 22:48 |
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| pjesi | I dont want to be rude and sit on it alone | 22:49 |
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| @vayde | Hey pD! Im in the club! I just broke a couple pb servers! | 22:57 |
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| * SDuensin cheers! | 22:57 |
| @vayde | well, I didn't totally break them, it was just a flesh wound... | 22:58 |
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| pjesi | Hinrik once did rm -r mysql in wre on a site launch day, that was a good day | 23:00 |
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| pjesi | :) | 23:00 |
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| Hinrik | yes | 23:00 |
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| @vayde | I'm still in the bush leagues I guess. I think I already fixed what I did. Hafta try harder next time I guess | 23:01 |
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| ckotil | heh | 23:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | how did you do it, vayde? | 23:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | share your pain.... | 23:38 |
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| @vayde | Oh, no biggie, really, I just screwed up how the CS mail handler works. | 23:38 |
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| @vayde | It should be fixed now, but of course, now that I'm waiting for the email to circulate, they are g o i n g v e r y s l o w l y | 23:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's a pretty good one. Broke all notifications and subscriptions for forums. | 23:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's at least a 7 | 23:39 |
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| @vayde | wow, and it only took 3 or 4 lines | 23:40 |
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| @vayde | gifted I guess | 23:40 |
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| @vayde | actually, come to think of it, I've been claiming my real talent to be in the field of destruction for years now | 23:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | analyze your enemies weaknesses and use them to defeat him? Or is that the wrong philosophy? | 23:42 |
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| @vayde | close. | 23:43 |
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| @vayde | Actually the art of war says that being invulnerable lies with you, but being vulnerable lies with the enemy | 23:43 |
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| @vayde | therefore great warriors made themselves invulnerable, and then awaited the moment when the enemy could be defeated | 23:43 |
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| @vayde | all I can really do is make myself invulnerable. | 23:43 |
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| @vayde | you are responsible for leaving an opening. all I do is use it when you present it | 23:44 |
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| +Radix_ | I love deadlines | 02:33 |
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| +Radix_ | I especially like the wooshing sound they make when they go past. | 02:33 |
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| nuba | Radix_: thats a classic line :) | 03:33 |
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| +crythias | hrm | 03:50 |
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| +crythias | Jesse! | 03:53 |
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| +crythias | Hiya, Radix-wek | 03:54 |
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| +crythias | erm. Radix-wrk | 03:54 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Hiya | 03:54 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Just got into the office :) | 03:54 |
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| +crythias | Ah. :) | 03:55 |
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| +Radix-wrk | last day of work before a nice long easter weekend :) | 03:55 |
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| +crythias | likewise | 03:55 |
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| +crythias | actually, I'll be taking off Thursday :) | 03:55 |
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| +crythias | So, Roy's gone, hmm? | 03:56 |
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| +Radix-wrk | gone? | 03:56 |
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| +crythias | Apparently, no longer staff @plainblack... | 03:57 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Ahh.. i see | 03:57 |
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| +crythias | CTS.. speaking of /topic... | 03:58 |
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| +crythias | http://crythias.blogspot.com/2007/04/from-picture-choose-color-scheme.html | 03:59 |
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| +Radix-wrk | cool idea | 04:00 |
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| PedersenMJ | good evening | 04:24 |
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| SDuensin | Hey PedersenMJ | 04:25 |
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| PedersenMJ | How's it going? | 04:25 |
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| SDuensin | Other than I'm sick as a dog, not bad. :-) | 04:26 |
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| @preaction | that's not good | 04:26 |
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| @preaction | in fact, i would go so far as to call that abd | 04:27 |
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| PedersenMJ | Meh, I dunno. I've known some sick dogs, and more often than not, it just turns out they need some simple meds, and they're fine. | 04:28 |
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| PedersenMJ | Of course, the whole neutering thing sucks. | 04:28 |
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| @preaction | whoa, this conversation took a very bad turn | 04:28 |
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| SDuensin | hehehe | 04:29 |
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| PedersenMJ | Well, whatever you do, don't get sick as a dog. Lest somebody decide you should be neutered. | 04:30 |
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| +crythias | ugh | 04:30 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Umm.. yeah | 04:32 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Hi Ped | 04:32 |
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| PedersenMJ | Hey, Radix. You're not that sick, are you? | 04:33 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I'm pretty sick.. but physically I'm just fine. | 04:33 |
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| @preaction | take them both out back and shoot them? | 04:33 |
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| PedersenMJ | Nah, that's for horses. | 04:34 |
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| @preaction | *sniff* they were the best devs a guy could want | 04:34 |
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| * SDuensin is, that's true. | 04:34 |
| SDuensin | :-P | 04:34 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I think you're all pretty sick. | 04:35 |
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| @vayde | wouldn't be here if we weren't | 04:36 |
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| PedersenMJ | Uh-uh. Definitely not sick. Not with chats of neutering and shooting going on. | 04:36 |
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| @vayde | or maybe, we wouldn't feel comfortable here if we weren't sick | 04:36 |
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| @vayde | Jeez, you guys have all the interesting chats after I log off | 04:36 |
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| +Radix-wrk | PedersenMJ, you're the only one obsessed with neutering I think ;) | 04:37 |
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| PedersenMJ | Hey, it was SDuension who said he was sick as a dog. | 04:37 |
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| @preaction | a simple figure of speech turns into a bloodbath of neutering and euthenasia | 04:38 |
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| +Radix-wrk | hence why I think you're all pretty sick.. in the head. ;) | 04:39 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Have you guys ever heard the term "fully sik"? | 04:39 |
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| @preaction | i've not not heard of it! | 04:40 |
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| @preaction | no wait. just regular not | 04:40 |
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| +Radix-wrk | It's an aussie slang used by greeks and lebanese over here to say something is pretty cool | 04:41 |
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| +Radix-wrk | ie. "That car is fully sick Habib!" | 04:41 |
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| +Radix-wrk | sick/sic/sik are used interchangeably in those sentences | 04:41 |
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| @preaction | it's west-coast slang in america, not very midwest yet | 04:42 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Became a big thing after the aussie show and movie "Fat Pizza" | 04:42 |
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| @preaction | nik's west-coast i think. come to think of it i don't know where nik lives | 04:42 |
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| @preaction | ... and fixing one bug reveals another... | 04:43 |
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| +Radix-wrk | So to be called "sick" has other connotations over here.. it can also mean very cool | 04:43 |
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| @vayde | Im midwest. Minneapolis. Sick here is just, sick. | 04:44 |
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| @preaction | vayde: wait, don't we have a staff get-together this weekend sometime? | 04:45 |
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| @vayde | week from friday | 04:45 |
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| @preaction | good. i thought i forgot. way too much stuff piling up | 04:46 |
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| @vayde | Friday the 13th actually. | 04:46 |
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| @vayde | fitting I thought | 04:46 |
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| @preaction | dear jeebus | 04:47 |
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| @preaction | i'll need to bring my garlic | 04:47 |
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| @preaction | does garlic work on you people? | 04:47 |
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| @vayde | nope, not crucifixes either. We're different sorts of terrible evil | 04:49 |
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| @vayde | you could try beer, or women. I confess to having a weakness for either. | 04:49 |
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| @vayde | they don't really ward off the evil, just keep it distracted for a while | 04:50 |
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| @preaction | how can i ward off evil with evil? more beer? | 04:55 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Just bring buffy along | 05:00 |
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| @preaction | but buffy is part of the "evil-that-is-greater-than-nik" | 05:01 |
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| @vayde | everything's better with more beer | 05:01 |
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| @vayde | and yes, please bring buffy | 05:01 |
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| @vayde | I like her kind of evil... | 05:02 |
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| @preaction | the pretty one or sarah michelle gellar? | 05:02 |
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| @vayde | the original please | 05:02 |
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| @vayde | speaking of that kind of evil, you guys are lucky, I have managed to persuade the GF that the 'staff get together' is just for staff | 05:04 |
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| @vayde | If you think meeting me is a shock, wait till you meet her. | 05:04 |
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| +Radix-wrk | You mean this buffy? - http://next-episode.net/babe-of-the-day/babe/470.html | 05:05 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Personally, I prefer the series | 05:05 |
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| @vayde | yeah, that's the one. | 05:06 |
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| @preaction | my gf's 5 foot nothing and about 120 lbs. i'm six-three, 190. our maturity levels are so different she could be my daughter if i weren't always pawing her. i doubt you can shock me :p | 05:06 |
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| @preaction | kristy swanson! that's her name | 05:06 |
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| +Radix-wrk | favourite episode was Hush - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hush_(Buffy_episode) | 05:06 |
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| @vayde | Ok, you thought that the Japanese-Swedish-Scot chinese martial artist who has delusions of being a developer was bad? | 05:06 |
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| @vayde | my gf's a costume designer for renaissance festivals, not to mention a slinky, redheaded, tatooed, ex dominatrix and stripper | 05:07 |
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| @preaction | i'm shocked | 05:07 |
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| @preaction | SHOCK AND AWE | 05:08 |
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| @vayde | I win | 05:08 |
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| +Radix-wrk | awesome | 05:08 |
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| @vayde | just another lure for the next WUC. I don't think you want to put it on the ads though | 05:08 |
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| +Radix-wrk | My gf sells drugs for a living - and makes a nice bit of money out of it. | 05:08 |
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| * SDuensin takes more of an interested in what vayde has to say | 05:09 |
| @vayde | heh, I don't know if I can top myself. | 05:10 |
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| SDuensin | Well, if your girl is the dominatrix, that makes you a bottom. :-P | 05:11 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I went out with a Madam once | 05:11 |
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| PedersenMJ | Hmm, lessee: Buy drugs from Radix's gf, or ogle vayde's gf. One legal, one not. One liable to get me punched by three people (vayde, vayde's gf, and my wife), one liable to get me thrown to the ground by large men in blue uniforms who will place me in a large building to stay with large men named Bubba. Tough choice. | 05:11 |
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| @vayde | lol | 05:11 |
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| @preaction | PedersenMJ: you'd survive the blue men. i'm not sure you'd survive vayde | 05:12 |
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| @vayde | naw, she stopped the dominatrix gig a while ago | 05:12 |
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| PedersenMJ | Survive the blue men? Sure. Dunno that I'd survive the Bubba's, though. | 05:12 |
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| @vayde | I pop the cores of heavy bags with punches. | 05:12 |
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| @preaction | webgui question: should different revisions to the same assetId under the same version tag create new revisions? or should an asset only get one revision per version tag? | 05:12 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. interesting one | 05:13 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Currently it does new revisions | 05:13 |
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| @preaction | right, but i don't know why | 05:13 |
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| @preaction | i mean, when debugging javascript, i've got like 60 revisions of this template | 05:13 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Well if something is being edited multiple times before it's committed then you don't necessarily want to lose those changes | 05:14 |
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| @preaction | true | 05:14 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I think it should really combine all of the revisions done under a revision tag when it's actually committed tho | 05:14 |
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| @preaction | what if after its committed some higher power decides they want B (which was deleted when committed)? | 05:15 |
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| @preaction | seems to me the issue is all-or-nothing, and there's a better argument for all | 05:15 |
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| +Radix-wrk | they'd roll back to the revision prior to the latest commit | 05:15 |
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| @preaction | but the changes that made B are lost, A being the original, C being the new | 05:16 |
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| @preaction | if B and C were created under the same version tag | 05:16 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Oh I see what you mean | 05:16 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Yeah.. better argument for all then for those cases | 05:16 |
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| PedersenMJ | Too bad there's no good ui to allow the user to choose whether or not to collapse the changes. | 05:17 |
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| @preaction | you can delete revisions. perhaps a revision manager much like the asset manager? with a checkbox list so you can select multiple revisions to delete? | 05:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | crythias: How you doing, man? | 05:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | vayde: I got you test email. I forwarded it back to you with all headers for inspection. | 05:51 |
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| @vayde | cool. It turned out there WAS a server issue | 05:51 |
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| @vayde | I finally got all the test emails I sent out this afternoon. Boy my 'delete' key got tired | 05:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | especially after handling a room of "monsters" | 05:52 |
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| @vayde | Yeah, years ago we called them the 'baby class', but word got out, and they were offended. | 05:53 |
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| @vayde | then we started calling them the monsters, and word got out. they're proud of it | 05:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's amazing how labeling works | 05:55 |
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| @vayde | It's a fun class. 4~6 yr olds. Not the most technical class around mind you, but entertaining. | 05:56 |
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| @preaction | that's cute | 06:01 |
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| @preaction | almost as cute as kittens. | 06:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: maybe you'd like to go class and tell them that? | 06:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | I can see it now | 06:02 |
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| @preaction | and have them beat the crap out of me? my gf's 6-year old brother already does that, and he isn't being training in martial art | 06:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | vayde can fix that... | 06:03 |
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| @preaction | true, though i'm not sure what martial art vayde teaches | 06:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | W.A. | 06:03 |
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| @preaction | that means nothing to me :( | 06:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's a redneck term. Whoop Ass | 06:04 |
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| @vayde | Hsing-I, Bagua, Taiji, Northern Shaolin Longfist, and Southern Hung Gar | 06:04 |
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| @preaction | ah | 06:04 |
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| @preaction | and now i know as much as i did before ;) | 06:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | usually stored in cans, hence the phrase, "Open up a can of Whoop Ass on you" | 06:04 |
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| @vayde | I'll show you guys a bit of it when we're in person | 06:04 |
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| @preaction | i imagine there are better disciplines for different types of people? | 06:05 |
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| @vayde | It all comes down to physics and physiology. The difference between styles is largely a matter of approach and taste | 06:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, needing a clue here. Why would one use $asset->getValue('assetProperty') instead of $asset->get('assetProperty')? | 06:05 |
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| @preaction | pd: i believe getValue has the added benefit of looking at the form first. at least, from the docs i read on it? | 06:07 |
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| @preaction | it sounded to me like you could use $asset->getValue() as the value of a form element in an asset edit form and it would automatically survive preview / edit errors | 06:07 |
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| +crythias | sorry for delay... perlDreamer. I'm fine. | 06:07 |
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| @preaction | of course, i've never used it as such | 06:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: I think the docs lie | 06:08 |
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| @preaction | i do too, because i didn't see anything referring to session->form | 06:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | pinging rizen. | 06:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen, please report to IRC to beat your clueless volunteer dev | 06:08 |
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| -!- crythias is now known as cluelessnewb | 06:10 |
| +cluelessnewb | what's a webgui? izzat like a browser? | 06:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | naw | 06:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: getValue just looks like it dupes some of the code in new, for providing defaults from the definition sub. | 06:12 |
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| @preaction | perlbot be cluelessnewb | 06:13 |
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| perlbot | <cluelessnewb> How I can make teh web wit pearl?!?! | 06:13 |
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| +cluelessnewb | how do I get webgui off of me? | 06:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | cluelessnewb: lava soap and a camel hair brush | 06:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | either that, or wd40 | 06:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | it fixes everything | 06:14 |
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| +cluelessnewb | webgui sounds like something a spider shoots out of its butt. | 06:14 |
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| +cluelessnewb | can you imagine Spderman being more anatomically correct? | 06:15 |
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| @vayde | my gf thought the mascot should be cthlulu | 06:15 |
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| @preaction | omg gooey totally reminds me of a baby cthlulu | 06:15 |
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| @vayde | that's what she said too | 06:15 |
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| @vayde | that's alright though, remember, 'evil' spelled backwards is 'live' | 06:16 |
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| +cluelessnewb | and Maisey backwards is es I am | 06:17 |
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| +cluelessnewb | Yes I am | 06:17 |
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| @preaction | Naomi I moan | 06:17 |
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| @preaction | A toyota's a toyota | 06:17 |
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| @preaction | A dog! A panic in a pagoda! | 06:17 |
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| +cluelessnewb | A man a plan a canal. Panama. | 06:18 |
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| @vayde | If I could reach you, I would hurt you | 06:18 |
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| -!- cluelessnewb is now known as crythias | 06:18 |
| @preaction | i palindome i! | 06:19 |
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| @preaction | someday mother will die and i'll get the money | 06:19 |
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| +crythias | I can't believe it's not butter. | 06:20 |
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| @rizen | let the beating commence | 06:22 |
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| * PedersenMJ breaks out the popcorn. | 06:22 |
| +perlDreamer | greetings, sensei. Why does one use getValue vs get? | 06:22 |
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| @vayde | hajime! | 06:22 |
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| +Radix-wrk | !Ah Satan - Natasha! | 06:22 |
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| +crythias | Speaking of Cthulhu ... http://www.electric-escape.net/node/1425 | 06:22 |
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| @vayde | I got a button for christmas that said: "Jesus saves, Moses invests, Cthulu forcloses!" | 06:24 |
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| @rizen | get is the value stored in the db | 06:24 |
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| @rizen | getValue is a helper | 06:24 |
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| @rizen | it checks the value from form() first | 06:24 |
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| @rizen | $session->form->param() | 06:24 |
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| @rizen | then gets the value from the db | 06:24 |
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| @rizen | then gets the default | 06:24 |
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| @rizen | so basically, if the form value exists, it uses that | 06:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | the form->param part is missing from getValue | 06:25 |
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| @rizen | it is? | 06:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | yup | 06:25 |
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| @rizen | i wonder when it was removed | 06:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | before rev 1152 | 06:27 |
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| +Radix-wrk | http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2401 | 06:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | before rev 24 | 06:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | a very long time ago | 06:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | are the CVS archives still online? | 06:28 |
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| @rizen | hmmm...perhaps i removed it on purpose | 06:29 |
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| @rizen | if it's been gone that long | 06:29 |
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| @rizen | then it probably shouldn't be there | 06:29 |
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| @rizen | and i just don't remember it | 06:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | so the real difference is that get gives you values from the db, and getValue will give you values from the db OR defaults from the definition sub. | 06:30 |
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| @rizen | yup | 06:31 |
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| @rizen | we probably don't need getValue() anymore | 06:32 |
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| @rizen | we can probably change get() to do that | 06:32 |
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| @rizen | and then write getValue() out of existence in the 8.x series | 06:32 |
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| @rizen | but that's so far off, who cares | 06:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | or new could pull defaults out of the def sub | 06:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | then we could drop getValue and leave get as is | 06:33 |
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| @rizen | either or...but for now it stays as is | 06:33 |
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| @rizen | as i said, who cares | 06:33 |
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| @rizen | it's too far off to start thinking about 8.x now | 06:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | got it, chief | 06:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll update the POD | 06:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll send you a Beating IOU, for another time | 06:36 |
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| @rizen | bah...no need | 06:37 |
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| @rizen | i'll just take it out on sarah | 06:37 |
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| @rizen | =) | 06:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh dear | 06:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh, while you're here, care to confirm or deny the rumor of WebGUI-Microsoft connection? | 06:38 |
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| +Radix-wrk | heh | 06:39 |
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| @rizen | what have you heard | 06:39 |
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| @rizen | i will admit there have been talks | 06:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, it seems strange that several PB people would choose to move to the only city whose airport letters are MSN | 06:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | from there it was easy to connect the dots | 06:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | increased workload | 06:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | decreased productivity | 06:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | (everyone moved to using Microsoft desktops) | 06:40 |
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| @vayde | maybe you should hand over that IOU after all... | 06:41 |
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| @rizen | pd: you know why i hired vayde, right? | 06:41 |
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| @rizen | it's to conduct beatings on my behalf | 06:42 |
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| @rizen | all i can do is brute force the beatings | 06:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | He's a db expert | 06:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | (Designated Beater) | 06:42 |
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| @rizen | but he knows how to kill you in 6 different styles | 06:42 |
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| @vayde | I'm the complaint department | 06:42 |
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| +Radix-wrk | heh | 06:42 |
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| +Radix-wrk | heh.. PB Support board just hit 100000 views | 06:45 |
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| +Radix-wrk | http://www.plainblack.com/discuss | 06:46 |
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| @rizen | that seems very low | 06:46 |
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| +Radix-wrk | rizen: could you do me a favour and rate my rfe when you have a minute? | 06:47 |
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| +Radix-wrk | http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/additional-post-template-variables-for-cs | 06:47 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Compared to the other forums it seems low, but obviously only support users can see the forum, so it's pretty impressive if you look at it that way | 06:49 |
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| @rizen | true | 06:50 |
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| @rizen | i don't like your RFE's radix | 06:50 |
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| +Radix-wrk | why? | 06:50 |
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| @rizen | mostly because they are written by you | 06:52 |
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| +Radix-wrk | :P | 06:52 |
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| @rizen | what if i told you that you can already do this | 06:53 |
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| +Radix-wrk | how? I'd love to know | 06:53 |
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| @rizen | and even moreso than that, it has far more power than what you're asking for | 06:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | "dumber than a box of rocks" rjacobsen is too funny | 06:54 |
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| @rizen | what is this information worth to you? | 06:54 |
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| @rizen | perhaps you will punch perlDreamer in the arm? | 06:54 |
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| +Radix-wrk | sure | 06:55 |
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| @rizen | hehe | 06:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | left arm please, I have to perform this weekend | 06:55 |
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| @vayde | ooh! ooh! pick me! | 06:55 |
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| @rizen | the answer you are looking for is ^-; | 06:55 |
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| @rizen | let's say you write an article^-; that looks like this | 06:56 |
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| @rizen | your synopsis will now be "let's say you write an article" | 06:56 |
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| @rizen | the ^-; special character tells webgui where you want to grab the synopsis from | 06:57 |
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| @rizen | so rather than taking after the first carriage return | 06:57 |
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| @rizen | it will stop at ^-; | 06:57 |
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| @rizen | wherever that is in the text | 06:57 |
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| @rizen | in addition to that | 06:57 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Ahh.. well there's a macro I never knew existed. You're right, that works a treat. | 06:57 |
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| @rizen | it's not a macro | 06:57 |
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| @rizen | it's just s special sequence of characters | 06:58 |
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| @rizen | anyway...in addition to that, you can actually go one step further | 06:58 |
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| @rizen | you can expose the synopsis field directly | 06:58 |
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| @rizen | then you can type something wholly new into the synopsis if you like | 06:58 |
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| @rizen | anyway...i'm going to go ahead and delete your RFE | 06:59 |
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| +Radix-wrk | k | 06:59 |
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| @rizen | because i would have rejected it anyway | 06:59 |
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| @rizen | adding variables like those to the collaboration system would have slowed it down tremendouslyy | 07:00 |
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| @rizen | go forth and share this knowledge | 07:01 |
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| @rizen | in the form of a wiki article | 07:01 |
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| +Radix-wrk | fair enough - preaction did mention that too - but he didn't tell me about ^-; | 07:01 |
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| @rizen | he probably didn't know about it | 07:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | It also works in the Article | 07:01 |
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| @rizen | true | 07:02 |
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| @rizen | most people don't even know that the article asset supports pagination | 07:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | most people don't read the docs, that's why | 07:03 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Happy to write a wiki article for it - though I don't follow the step further you described or how I would do any of that | 07:03 |
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| @rizen | it's actually already done for you | 07:03 |
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| @rizen | take a look at the "submission form" template vs the "post form" template | 07:03 |
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| @rizen | submission form sets up the synopsis as a separate field | 07:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's another good thing to mention. The marker only works if there is no explicit synopsis. | 07:06 |
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| +Radix-wrk | So is this documented anywhere currently? | 07:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | no | 07:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | it is now, but only in the template variables. | 07:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | We can't document it via hover help since there's no hover help for the Post Edit form. | 07:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's why a wiki article would be great | 07:12 |
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| +Radix-wrk | any ideas what the wiki article name should be called? | 07:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen's righteous post content synopsis marker | 07:13 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I'll write one up now, and at least to describe how to use it in collaboration system posts | 07:13 |
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| PedersenMJ | post title: How To Add A Synopsis To Your Collaboration System Posts | 07:16 |
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| @rizen | hey pedersenmj | 07:16 |
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| @rizen | i've been meaning to talk to you | 07:16 |
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| PedersenMJ | Uh-oh... | 07:17 |
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| @rizen | one of our hosting customers just launched a new site | 07:17 |
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| @rizen | that i think you'll want to check out | 07:17 |
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| PedersenMJ | Done esta? | 07:17 |
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| @rizen | http://www.playstationnationpodcast.com/ | 07:17 |
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| PedersenMJ | Donde esta, even? | 07:17 |
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| +Radix-wrk | hehe.. cool | 07:17 |
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| +Radix-wrk | burned theme | 07:17 |
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| PedersenMJ | Too cool! | 07:17 |
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| PedersenMJ | That totally took me by surprise. Thank you :) | 07:18 |
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| @rizen | so see | 07:18 |
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| @rizen | your work paid off already | 07:18 |
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| @rizen | you should do more of those for the contest we have going on right now | 07:18 |
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| +Radix-wrk | needs to be original work tho | 07:18 |
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| PedersenMJ | I'm going to. Calypso is going to go up this week. I think MultiFlex next week. | 07:18 |
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| @rizen | nope | 07:18 |
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| @rizen | i had kristi change the rules | 07:19 |
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| PedersenMJ | Dunno which one for the week after, though. | 07:19 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Oh? | 07:19 |
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| @rizen | you can use open source designs | 07:19 |
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| @rizen | provided you provide a link back to the original | 07:19 |
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| @rizen | so we know you didn't rip it off | 07:19 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Oh cool.. means I could look at entering too then | 07:19 |
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| @rizen | sweet | 07:19 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I could never do my own.. but I can rip off someone elses witht he best of them ;) | 07:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | andreas01 | 07:20 |
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| PedersenMJ | Ditto here. I suck at original, but rip a theme? That's easy. | 07:20 |
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| @rizen | oh btw guys, i'll be sending out your schwag and whatnot next week for the wiki contest | 07:20 |
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| @rizen | i'm a little behind | 07:20 |
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| @rizen | sorry about that | 07:20 |
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| +Radix-wrk | np :) | 07:21 |
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| PedersenMJ | That's cool. | 07:21 |
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| @rizen | we're short two people, and i have another on vacation | 07:21 |
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| @rizen | so i'm working 4 jobs right now | 07:21 |
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| @rizen | =) | 07:21 |
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| PedersenMJ | If I'm really lucky, I can get a bit more outta the theme contest ;) | 07:21 |
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| @rizen | true | 07:21 |
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| @rizen | anyway...gotta get some sleep | 07:21 |
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| @rizen | later | 07:21 |
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| PedersenMJ | l8r | 07:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | he works too hard | 07:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | Bill should give him a raise | 07:22 |
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| @vayde | Bill? | 07:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | Gates | 07:24 |
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| @vayde | lol | 07:24 |
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| +Radix-wrk | http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/how-to-add-a-synopsis-to-your-collaboration-system-templates | 07:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | Radix-*, you rock | 07:39 |
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| +Radix-wrk | hopefully I've explained it well enough for ppl to understand | 07:39 |
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| PedersenMJ | Radix: What are post templates? | 07:44 |
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| PedersenMJ | http://www.bash.org/?21784 | 07:47 |
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| +Radix-wrk | http://www.plainblack.com/?op=viewHelp;hid=collaboration%20post%20list%20template%20variables;namespace=Asset_Collaboration | 07:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | having re-re-vanquished the monster, our hero exists stage left | 07:50 |
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| PedersenMJ | Damn, I didn't expect you to reply to that with anything other than a growl. | 07:51 |
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| @vayde | ugh, need sleep. Later gents | 07:52 |
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| @preaction | you people and your "sleep" | 07:53 |
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| @preaction | it's so cute | 07:53 |
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| +Radix-wrk | cya vayde | 07:53 |
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| PedersenMJ | I'm heading for sleep too. | 07:53 |
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| +Radix-wrk | wuss | 07:53 |
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| @preaction | is it bad that i do not remember the last time i slept? | 07:53 |
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| PedersenMJ | Yeah, I am. I start to pass out at 1am in a non-recoverable fashion. | 07:53 |
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| PedersenMJ | l8r all | 07:54 |
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| +Radix-wrk | sleep probs preaction? | 07:56 |
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| @preaction | so much to do, caffiene to do it, caffiene causes inability to sleep, then eventually it becomes "if i sleep now, i won't get up in time for *" | 07:56 |
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| @preaction | like now: in order to make the meeting tomorrow at 8a, i need to drop my car off at the shop tonight, walk home. meaning another hour of wake-time | 07:57 |
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| @preaction | meaning 6.5 hours of sleep | 07:57 |
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| +Radix-wrk | better than nothing | 07:57 |
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| @preaction | as JT said, we're working more than one person's job :p | 07:57 |
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| +Radix-wrk | He mentioned that you guys are down two people - roy is one obviously.. who was the other? | 07:58 |
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| @preaction | Drake | 08:00 |
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| @preaction | left before the new year | 08:00 |
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| +Radix-wrk | He was barely a blip on the radar really | 08:00 |
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| @preaction | durno, he was hired before i was. i think instead of me actually | 08:01 |
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| +Radix-wrk | he was hired around the same time the WUC was on.. I spoke to him briefly then and he was only just starting | 08:01 |
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| +Radix-wrk | So September to December - maybe two/three months.. | 08:02 |
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| @preaction | yeah, if it weren't for him, you'd've been meeting me ;) | 08:02 |
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| @preaction | 18 years old, i still can't believe it | 08:02 |
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| +Radix-wrk | eeks.. scary | 08:02 |
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| @preaction | i would've been meek kitten though, instead, when you meet me, i get to be power-webgui-god | 08:03 |
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| @preaction | i'll need a suit | 08:03 |
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| +Radix-wrk | heh | 08:03 |
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| @preaction | a white suit | 08:03 |
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| @preaction | white top hat and cane | 08:03 |
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| @preaction | unf | 08:03 |
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| +Radix-wrk | sounds like a photo op - with your gf dressed up next to ya ;) | 08:04 |
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| @preaction | pfft, i'll get my hos on my wings, boi | 08:05 |
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| @preaction | anyway, gone drop car off / sleep. cya | 08:13 |
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| wgGuest84 | hello | 11:20 |
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| wgGuest84 | i need some help on troubleshooting webgui 7.3.13 installation | 11:20 |
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| wgGuest84 | can I get help from somebody ? | 11:22 |
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| +Radix-wrk | wassup | 11:23 |
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| +Radix-wrk | can't guarantee i can help, but I can listen! :) | 11:23 |
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| wgGuest84 | thnx | 11:24 |
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| wgGuest84 | i installed webgui 7.3.13 | 11:24 |
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| wgGuest84 | and did all the setup | 11:24 |
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| wgGuest84 | when I try to run the apache + | 11:24 |
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| wgGuest84 | Starting WebGUI 7.3.13 | 11:25 |
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| wgGuest84 | Loading www.domain.com.conf | 11:25 |
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| wgGuest84 | WebGUI Started! | 11:25 |
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| wgGuest84 | usr/local/apache2/bin/apachectl: line 78: 5622 7d424e863057307e3057305f $HTTPD -k $ARGV | 11:25 |
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| wgGuest84 | and the server stops responding for a while | 11:25 |
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| wgGuest84 | i checked with # /data/WebGUI/sbin/perl preload.perl | 11:25 |
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| wgGuest84 | it shows: + | 11:25 |
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| wgGuest84 | Can't locate object method "server" via package "Apache2::ServerUtil" at preload.perl line 57.. | 11:26 |
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| wgGuest84 | i posted this trouble in forum (last message in http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/cant-locate-object-method-server/3) | 11:26 |
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| wgGuest84 | can you please give me any idea ? | 11:27 |
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| wgGuest84 | r u listening Radix-wrk ? | 11:41 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Sorry.. was busy for a bit then.. lemme catch up. | 11:43 |
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| +Radix-wrk | How are you installing webgui? are you using the WRE? | 11:43 |
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| wgGuest84 | no | 11:44 |
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| wgGuest84 | from source | 11:44 |
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| wgGuest84 | in a centOS | 11:44 |
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| +Radix-wrk | okay.. have you checked your perl setup using /data/WebGUI/sbin/testEnvironment.pl | 11:44 |
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| wgGuest84 | yes.. | 11:44 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Sounds like a perl module is missing from the error message, but not sure what it would be I'm afraid. | 11:46 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Any particular reason you're not using the WRE? | 11:46 |
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| wgGuest84 | i checked.. Apache2::ServerUtil is there | 11:46 |
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| wgGuest84 | actually I am preparing a development server.. where there will be a lots of changes in source | 11:47 |
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| +Radix-wrk | WebGUI has a lot of perl dependencies, and the WRE is the recommended installation method for this very reason | 11:47 |
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| +Radix-wrk | there is a WRE installation for centos though, and it makes life soooo much easier | 11:48 |
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| +Radix-wrk | that's what we're using | 11:48 |
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| wgGuest84 | actually I used another previous version before | 11:48 |
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| wgGuest84 | 7.3... | 11:48 |
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| wgGuest84 | i installed from source that time.. | 11:49 |
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| wgGuest84 | but didnt face such problem | 11:49 |
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| wgGuest84 | it's a requirement anyway to install from the source | 11:49 |
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| wgGuest84 | i am stucked with this error from yesterday :( | 11:49 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I don't know I'm afraid.. it sounds like there's a missing perl module that isn't tested in testEnvironment, but not sure how to fix it offhand. | 11:50 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Most of the developers are asleep at the moment, preaction and rizen might be able to tell you what it is when they wake up. | 11:50 |
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| wgGuest84 | could u have a look in the details of my problem that i posted in the forum? | 11:51 |
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| +Radix-wrk | but that probably won't be for several hours - it's the middle of the night for them atm | 11:51 |
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| wgGuest84 | i c | 11:51 |
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| +Radix-wrk | yeah, I've had a look - I'm not that familiar with the source install and perl modules needed these days tho | 11:51 |
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| wgGuest84 | i c | 11:51 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I use Centos myself, but I installed the WRE for it | 11:51 |
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| +Radix-wrk | it is THE best way to install webgui - without a doubt | 11:51 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I can do a base install of webgui on centos within minutes | 11:52 |
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| +Radix-wrk | using the wre for rhel4 | 11:52 |
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| wgGuest84 | but since there is a source release.. that is of some use surely like we are using..:) | 11:52 |
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| wgGuest84 | in fact webGUI did great on our last project.. | 11:53 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Yeah, I haven't used a source install since version 6.8 tho | 11:53 |
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| wgGuest84 | so, what do u suggest as of now ? | 11:53 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I was having odd issues with perl modules on my previous setup and when i switched to the WRE they all went away - I've been with the WRE ever since | 11:53 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I'd highly recommend taking a look at the WRE if you can | 11:54 |
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| +Radix-wrk | if you must stick with a source install, I'd come back in say 5-6 hours and try and catch preaction or rizen | 11:54 |
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| wgGuest84 | is it like.. installing from WRE then I can use the source installation ? | 11:54 |
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| +Radix-wrk | the WRE gives you all of the perl source if that's what you mean | 11:55 |
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| +Radix-wrk | the WRE is a tar.gz file that contains everything you need to run WebGUI - all the perl modules, mysql, apache, etc all in one big file | 11:55 |
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| +Radix-wrk | well.. kinda.. it downloads the latest webgui source and installs that really | 11:56 |
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| +Radix-wrk | the WRE is everything you need to RUN webgui | 11:56 |
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| wgGuest84 | o..the team leader just solved the problem | 11:56 |
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| wgGuest84 | webGUI is now running fine | 11:56 |
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| +Radix-wrk | excellent | 11:56 |
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| +Radix-wrk | what was it then? | 11:56 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I'd still recommend the WRE. Using the wre simplifies upgrades and comes with fully preconfigured apache optimised for webgui. It also has some nice scripts to quickly add new webgui websites with ease | 11:58 |
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| +Radix-wrk | it also makes backing up and cloning a webgui setup so much easier - just copy one directory onto a blank system. | 11:59 |
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| wgGuest84 | sorry.. was talking to him | 11:59 |
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| +Radix-wrk | No probs | 11:59 |
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| wgGuest84 | actually he changed some settings in apache-> httpd.conf | 11:59 |
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| wgGuest84 | he added user "daemon" and Group "daemon" | 11:59 |
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| wgGuest84 | probably its the spectre who needs those | 12:00 |
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| +Radix-wrk | wierd.. didn't sound like that was where the problem was to me.. but if it fixed it who am I to argue! :) | 12:00 |
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| wgGuest84 | :) | 12:00 |
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| wgGuest84 | yeah.. the error message was misleading | 12:01 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I'm afraid I'm gonna head off.. 5pm here (and 6pm for you I suspect) - have a good easter! :) | 12:01 |
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| wgGuest84 | o..thanks | 12:01 |
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| wgGuest84 | it ws nice talking to u | 12:01 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Do itashimashite! | 12:01 |
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| wgGuest84 | wow !! | 12:01 |
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| wgGuest84 | u know japanese | 12:01 |
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| wgGuest84 | btw... where r u ? | 12:01 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I know a little | 12:02 |
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| +Radix-wrk | from Perth, Western Australia | 12:02 |
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| wgGuest84 | i c | 12:02 |
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| wgGuest84 | one question if u dont mind | 12:02 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I've been to tokyo though and know a lot of japanese :) | 12:02 |
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| wgGuest84 | how can i join this irc channel from visual iRC | 12:02 |
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| wgGuest84 | ( that's cool :) ) | 12:02 |
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| +Radix-wrk | jump on the server irc.freenode.net I think and the channel is #webgui | 12:02 |
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| wgGuest84 | i couldnt find irc.freenode.net.. actually I am not much used to use IRC | 12:03 |
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| +Radix-wrk | try using something like /server irc.freenode.net and it should get you here | 12:03 |
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| +Radix-wrk | then /join #webgui | 12:03 |
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| wgGuest84 | o...i will try.. | 12:03 |
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| wgGuest84 | thanks a lot for ur help | 12:04 |
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| +Radix-wrk | no probs.. hope to see you here more often in future! | 12:04 |
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| wgGuest84 | i hope too :) | 12:04 |
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| +Radix-wrk | lots of useful and interesting stuff gets discussed here, so worthwhile dropping in and idling like I do :) | 12:04 |
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| wgGuest84 | that's good.. i would like to do that.. | 12:04 |
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| +Radix-wrk | ja ne! | 12:04 |
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| wgGuest84 | arigatou-gozaimasu | 12:05 |
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| syedm | nick sstanvir | 13:08 |
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| +Radix_ | Home! :) | 13:09 |
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| sstanvir | good :) | 13:10 |
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| sstanvir | so.. that ws ur work nick Radix_wrk ? | 13:10 |
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| +Radix_ | yup | 13:10 |
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| sstanvir | i ws also thinking so | 13:10 |
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| sstanvir | mystery is my problem came back again :( | 13:11 |
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| +Radix_ | what do the apache logs say? | 13:12 |
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| +Radix_ | and what is in webgui.log | 13:12 |
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| +Radix_ | perlbot paste | 13:12 |
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| perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. | 13:12 |
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| sstanvir | in the apache log nothing | 13:12 |
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| +Radix_ | You can paste the info using one of those instead of spamming it to the channel | 13:12 |
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| sstanvir | i c, ok | 13:13 |
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| sstanvir | thnx for the info | 13:13 |
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| +Radix_ | np | 13:13 |
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| sstanvir | but I dont want to disturb u with the issues | 13:13 |
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| sstanvir | otsukare-sama-desu :) | 13:13 |
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| +Radix_ | With your dev box.. do you have anything else on it? | 13:14 |
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| +Radix_ | or is it set up just for webgui? | 13:14 |
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| sstanvir | its newly setup | 13:15 |
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| +Radix_ | If it's just for webgui, then there's absolutely no reason not to use the WRE | 13:15 |
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| +Radix_ | you can install the wre and webgui within minutes on a blank centos box | 13:15 |
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| sstanvir | actuallly what is the difference between the WRE and the source release ? | 13:15 |
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| +Radix_ | the WRE is everything you need to run WebGUI - so it's a special distribution of apache/mysql/perl and all the perl modules webgui depends on. It also includes scripts to help you get started quickly with Webgui. | 13:16 |
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| +Radix_ | It doesn't actually include webgui itself - it downloads that as part of the setup | 13:17 |
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| sstanvir | i c | 13:17 |
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| sstanvir | brb | 13:18 |
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| +Radix_ | with centos I generally do a basic install, no mysql, apache, perl, etc at all installed | 13:20 |
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| +Radix_ | then you install the wre and run the setup | 13:20 |
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| sstanvir | understood | 13:20 |
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| sstanvir | actually it depends on the team leader.. I will try to convince him | 13:21 |
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| +Radix_ | the only gotcha I've found is you need to make sure you delete any /etc/my.cnf files that might be there | 13:21 |
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| +Radix_ | I might point out that the WRE is the recommended method for using webgui according to plainblack - and the best way to get support also | 13:22 |
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| +Radix_ | there's info in the wiki on doing an install too | 13:22 |
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| sstanvir | yes.. i checked the web | 13:23 |
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| sstanvir | it looks simple to install from the wre.. | 13:24 |
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| +Radix_ | it is.. it's great :) | 13:25 |
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| sstanvir | you already convinced me | 13:25 |
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| +Radix_ | good.. my job is done here then ;) | 13:25 |
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| sstanvir | haha | 13:25 |
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| sstanvir | but now is the toughest part to convince the Tl | 13:26 |
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| sstanvir | anyway... | 13:26 |
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| sstanvir | thanks a lot for ur time | 13:26 |
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| +Radix_ | Good luck! :) | 13:26 |
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| +Radix_ | time for me to get supplies for the easter long weekend here :) | 13:26 |
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| +Radix_ | four days holiday have just started for me :) | 13:26 |
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| sstanvir | wow! | 13:26 |
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| sstanvir | i am sure u have lots of plans | 13:27 |
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| +Radix_ | got a friend's wedding to attend, and looks like we might be doing some archery and some karaoke this weekend too.. should be fun! :) | 13:27 |
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| sstanvir | great | 13:27 |
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| sstanvir | Have a nice holidays !! | 13:27 |
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| sstanvir | Catch you again! | 13:28 |
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| sstanvir | bye | 13:29 |
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| nuba | nice holidays folks! | 15:04 |
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| SDuensin | Good morningish. | 18:20 |
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| perlmonkey2 | quiet today | 20:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | muy | 20:51 |
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| perlmonkey2 | webgui religious holiday? | 20:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | how goes the Moose rewrite? | 20:51 |
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| perlmonkey2 | heh | 20:51 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I think I'll focus my extra time on p6. | 20:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | I did some p6 test suite hacking for a few weeks | 20:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | then the spec changed from under me | 20:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | so I worked around it | 20:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | then it changed again, and I gave up | 20:52 |
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| perlmonkey2 | a very fluid dev env. | 20:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | it is | 20:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | which allows for very powerful dynamics | 20:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | but also exposes you to lots of criticism from outside observers | 20:53 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I only take criticism from Perl::Critic. | 20:54 |
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| perlmonkey2 | or anyone else who bothers to tell me my work is crap ;) | 20:54 |
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| @vayde | We need a wG forum/nick translation hash. | 21:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | can gooeybot help us? | 21:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | or perlbot? | 21:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlbot: rizen? | 21:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlbot: perlDreamer? | 21:16 |
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| @vayde | :q | 21:24 |
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| @vayde | oops, wrong window ;P | 21:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | Never quit, never surrender | 21:25 |
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| @vayde | that file couldn't handle any more attention from me | 21:25 |
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| @vayde | the wimp | 21:25 |
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| ckotil | perlbot channel log | 22:12 |
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| @rizen | perlbot: perlbot? | 22:14 |
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| perlbot | Perl OO tricks and examples - http://perldoc.perl.org/perlbot.html | 22:14 |
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| ckotil | perlbot: log | 22:15 |
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| ckotil | perlbot: log? | 22:15 |
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| ckotil | bah, perlbot isnt playing nice | 22:16 |
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| @rizen | perlbot, rizen is JT, the creator of WebGUI, aka TMRFE | 22:16 |
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| @rizen | perlbot: rizen? | 22:16 |
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| perlbot | JT, the creator of WebGUI, aka TMRFE | 22:16 |
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| @rizen | perlbot, perlDreamer is Colin Kuskie, Contributor of the Year, and jack of all trades | 22:16 |
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| @rizen | how's that for your pd? | 22:17 |
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| @rizen | perlbot, vayde Nik Ogura, aka bengchoi, aka Nik, is a WebGUI padawan learner | 22:18 |
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| @rizen | perlbot vayde? | 22:19 |
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| @rizen | perlbot forget vayde Nik Ogura, aka bengchoi, aka Nik, | 22:19 |
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| @rizen | perlbot, vayde is Nik Ogura, aka bengchoi, aka Nik, is a WebGUI padawan learner | 22:19 |
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| MrHairgreas1 | perlbot TMRFE? | 22:21 |
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| perlbot | The Man Responsible For Everything -- Sometimes you DO have someone to blame. | 22:21 |
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| MrHairgreas1 | perlbot pomade? | 22:22 |
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| MrHairgreas1 | perlbot MrHairgrease | 22:22 |
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| MrHairgreas1 | perlbot MrHairgrease? | 22:22 |
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| @vayde | Jeez, I pop off for a bite, and everyone's talking about me behind my back | 22:25 |
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| @rizen | perlbot, MrHairGrease is Martin Kamerbeek, aka MrCookingGrease, aka Eurotrash with sex appeal, and is a Contributor of the Year | 22:33 |
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| +MrHairgrease | perlbot maxscience? | 22:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | perlbot iPhoneGuy? | 22:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ha well, ignorance is bliss i think | 22:35 |
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| @rizen | perlbot, maxscience is iPhoneGuy, some ridiculous bastard from Italy that bitches as loud as he can scream, but is unwilling to lift a finger to help out | 22:37 |
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| @vayde | sounds like there's quite a story there | 22:38 |
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| @preaction | what's the WebGUI::Commerce::Item->handler sub for? is it executed after the item is purchased? | 22:38 |
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| @preaction | after checkout, say? | 22:38 |
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| @rizen | dont' know...i'd have to track it down in the code | 22:39 |
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| @rizen | perhaps MrHairGrease knows | 22:39 |
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| @preaction | the docs for the sub say "this executes the handler". no real description of its actual purpose | 22:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the handler is executed on payment | 22:45 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it handles the group timeout extension for subscriptions for instance | 22:46 |
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| @preaction | when the transaction is completed, i see now | 22:47 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 22:47 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and also on complete recurring payments | 22:47 |
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| @preaction | which means technically there's no cart at that moment, correct? | 22:47 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yes | 22:48 |
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| +MrHairgrease | well | 22:48 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i would think so | 22:48 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it has been some time since i last looked at it | 22:48 |
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| @preaction | the idea is this: i need the ID of the cart that the item belonged to | 22:49 |
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| +MrHairgrease | carts don't don't have an id | 22:49 |
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| +MrHairgrease | a cart i tied to a session | 22:49 |
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| +MrHairgrease | maybe you mean the transaction id? | 22:49 |
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| @preaction | then how do carts survive across sessions? | 22:49 |
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| +MrHairgrease | they don't | 22:50 |
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| @preaction | how can i logout and log back in and still have items in my cart? | 22:50 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh | 22:50 |
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| +MrHairgrease | let me see | 22:50 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i know | 22:51 |
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| +MrHairgrease | if you log out | 22:51 |
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| +MrHairgrease | your session id stays the same | 22:51 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but visiutor is tied to it | 22:51 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 22:52 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that must be it | 22:52 |
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| +MrHairgrease | WG::C::ShoppingCart->new doesn't have any userId awareness | 22:53 |
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| +MrHairgrease | only sessionId | 22:53 |
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| @vayde | Is there an easy way to tell when a modification was placed into the core? Right now I'm doing it the hard way, but downloading the old version, untarring it and looking at the file. We're all way to lazy to put up with that b.s. for long | 22:57 |
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| @preaction | svn blame | 22:58 |
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| @preaction | gives you the revision number of lines of the code iirc | 22:58 |
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| @vayde | thanks | 22:59 |
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| @vayde | Ok, now having found the right svn version, how do I relate that to an actual release? (I'm very new to svn) | 23:02 |
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| @preaction | http://svn.webgui.org <- look up the messages around the revision, the first one that says "X.X.X released" is the version it was in | 23:11 |
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| @vayde | ahh. little things that make all the difference. thanks | 23:11 |
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| @vayde | Wow, JT asked me about the picture of me on my studio website, so I sent him an older one, his reaction was so violent that it crashed both my IRC client, and Gaim. | 23:32 |
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| @vayde | Now that's some bad-assed kung fu! | 23:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | show it! show it! | 23:33 |
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| @vayde | um, how do I do that here? It's not online | 23:33 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh | 23:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | post it on PB.com in the contribs area? | 23:34 |
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| @preaction | >_> <_> <_< | 23:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | email it out? | 23:34 |
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| @preaction | ^(--@^@--)> | 23:34 |
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| @preaction | youtube! | 23:34 |
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| @preaction | show us the monsters! | 23:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | http://www.themonsters.ch | 23:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | tomorrow I'm gonna see them play in utrecht | 23:35 |
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| @preaction | nice | 23:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | they suck. Their website uses frames. | 23:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | who cares | 23:38 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'm not going all the way to utrecht just to watch their stupid website =) | 23:38 |
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| @vayde | http://www.uma-mn.com/Pics/Rennaissance.JPG | 23:38 |
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| @vayde | that's about 12 - 15 yrs old | 23:39 |
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| @vayde | 12-15 years ago anyway | 23:39 |
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| @vayde | http://www.uma-mn.com/Pics/img_2672.jpg | 23:39 |
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| @vayde | that's last year | 23:39 |
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| * MrHairgrease 's gaim is about to implode | 23:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | what is it? | 23:40 |
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| +MrHairgrease | some kind of medieval reenaction? | 23:40 |
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| @vayde | the thing next to the girl is me | 23:40 |
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| +MrHairgrease | didn't know you ware red dresses | 23:41 |
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| @vayde | heh | 23:41 |
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| +MrHairgrease | there's that eurotrash humor for you =) | 23:41 |
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| +MrHairgrease | don't even try to laugh | 23:41 |
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| @vayde | I sincerely you don't have girls over there with as much facial hair as I have. | 23:43 |
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| +MrHairgrease | who can what's what with all these costumes | 23:44 |
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| +MrHairgrease | can tell* | 23:44 |
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| @vayde | what can I say, that's how the gf makes a living, working up those court gowns | 23:44 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ok | 23:46 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but i can imagine jt's reaction | 23:47 |
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| @vayde | he brought it up | 23:48 |
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| SDuensin | Dang vayde - looked at your pics. Now I want to go to Pennsic again. | 23:50 |
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| @vayde | Pennsic? | 23:50 |
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| * SDuensin smacks his head | 23:51 |
| SDuensin | Only the largest SCA event ever. | 23:51 |
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| @vayde | Ahh. | 23:51 |
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| SDuensin | http://www.pennsic.net/ | 23:51 |
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| @vayde | I had bad experiences with the SVA crowd. I hope they're better these days | 23:51 |
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| SDuensin | Probably depends on the group. I've never had problems myself. Now some other groups, that's a different story. | 23:52 |
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| @vayde | One incident when I was berated for my heraldic design from a guy who was wearing a metal watch, photogrey glasses, and had his armor held together with duct tape | 23:52 |
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| SDuensin | hehehehe | 23:52 |
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| SDuensin | You'd have been proud of me. Some chick with frickin' skull and crossbones tights and elf ears wandered into our camp. I chased her off with Yard Guard. | 23:58 |
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| @vayde | LOL | 23:59 |
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| SDuensin | "We're gypsies!" No, you're morons. | 23:59 |
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| SDuensin | I'm no authenticity police, but man, come on - at least try. Elf ears?! | 00:00 |
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| * SDuensin doesn't mind the Coke can at feast. | 00:00 |
| @vayde | I have fun. The gf's daughter is 16, and very popular with the lads. I get to growl and stomp. "Hi there you must be the new vict- er boyfriend" | 00:01 |
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| SDuensin | ehhehe | 00:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe they'd like to come to the 5-year old class to help out? | 00:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | They're only five years old, after all... | 00:27 |
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| @rizen | i need some opinions | 00:32 |
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| @rizen | who's got em to spare? | 00:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | sure | 00:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | yo | 00:32 |
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| @rizen | http://jt.plainblack.com/uploads/DZ/Hu/DZHuIEGTBk7z_HU-JOW-iw/Webgui-site-rev4.jpg | 00:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | positive or negative? | 00:32 |
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| @rizen | honest | 00:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | you suck =) | 00:33 |
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| @rizen | this is the potential design for the new webgui.org | 00:33 |
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| @rizen | split off from plainblack.com | 00:33 |
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| @rizen | i'm pretty happy with it | 00:33 |
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| @rizen | but before we proceed, i'd like a few gut reactions | 00:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | not bad for a front page | 00:33 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the design is good | 00:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but i don't like the yellow | 00:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | what does real front page look like (the one that analogs pb.com/support)? | 00:34 |
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| @rizen | pd, this isn't about content | 00:34 |
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| @rizen | this is about style | 00:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | what is good | 00:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | at least i guess | 00:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | is that is does not have the generic-clean-look that mambo and joomla etc have | 00:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it kinda makes it stand out | 00:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | otoh those 'clean' layouts have a more professional touch | 00:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | sober like the tax department | 00:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | also | 00:37 |
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| @rizen | i think it looks clean, it's just not sparse like those | 00:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i don't like the blue webgui logo | 00:37 |
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| @rizen | the logo is orange like always | 00:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | left of that | 00:37 |
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| @rizen | or do you mean the font that says "webgui" | 00:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 00:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the font is just not my thing | 00:37 |
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| @rizen | ok, it's one thing to say that you don't like the colors (yellow background, blue font), but i need to know why | 00:38 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it has this 90's a have website appeal | 00:38 |
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| @rizen | without the why, i can't change it to something good | 00:38 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ok | 00:38 |
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| +MrHairgrease | let me think on how to word that | 00:38 |
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| @rizen | so you also don't like the modern font? | 00:38 |
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| @rizen | in addition to the color? | 00:38 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yes | 00:40 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and it's background | 00:40 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it just doesn't fit in with the rest | 00:40 |
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| @vayde | I think the yellow draws the attention away from the content. It should frame it, point it up, not overwhelm it | 00:40 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i guess why i don't like the color is | 00:40 |
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| +MrHairgrease | b/c their 'weak' | 00:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | it needs more content area | 00:41 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i know the dutch word | 00:41 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but i dunno the translation | 00:41 |
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| @vayde | more content area, yeah. content seems buried | 00:41 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no | 00:41 |
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| +MrHairgrease | little content on the frontpage is good | 00:41 |
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| +MrHairgrease | people will only read two lines or so | 00:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | but rizen said this is "the style" | 00:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | are sub-page style different rizen? | 00:42 |
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| @vayde | right, but that's what we're talking about | 00:42 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the download button is good | 00:42 |
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| +MrHairgrease | very visible | 00:42 |
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| @vayde | not necessarily what the content is, but the balance between the content area and the stuff on the left seems visually off. | 00:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | the links to the forums and wiki needs to be as visible | 00:43 |
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| @rizen | the design you're looking at is the front page design, but all the other pages will be a variation on a theme | 00:44 |
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| @rizen | for example | 00:44 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah, but that's those three buttons below the content right? | 00:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | if so, then I'm happy | 00:44 |
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| @rizen | the banner for the webgui conference is will not be on every page, that's only to show off an example crown | 00:44 |
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| @rizen | on most content pages, the content section will be pushed up | 00:45 |
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| +MrHairgrease | what i mean by colors and visibility is eg. the firebug page | 00:45 |
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| +MrHairgrease | http://www.getfirebug.com/ | 00:45 |
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| +MrHairgrease | strong colors | 00:45 |
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| @rizen | also the page will be stretchy, it won't be limited to the width you're seeing it at now | 00:45 |
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| +MrHairgrease | big content that says what the stuff does | 00:45 |
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| @rizen | so there will be plenty of room for content | 00:45 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and a big install me button | 00:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | Let me roll up my opinion. I like it. It's bright and different without looking bad. Links to wiki and forum need to be prominent and content areas should be maximized . | 00:45 |
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| @rizen | on the pages that need it the yellow strip on the right side will be stretched out, and the "recent discussion" macro will go in there | 00:46 |
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| @rizen | MrHairGrease, I could also argue that the colors of the firebug site are weak | 00:47 |
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| @rizen | mustard yellow is not a weak color | 00:47 |
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| @rizen | it's not like canary yellow | 00:47 |
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| +MrHairgrease | you asked my my opinion | 00:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | how does Gooey look on there? does he clash? | 00:47 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that's one of the few things that is not negotiable with me =) | 00:47 |
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| @rizen | i know...and i'm not trying to say that your opinion is wrong, just that i don't agree that the colors are weak | 00:48 |
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| +MrHairgrease | what i mean with weak is their too pastel for my tastes | 00:48 |
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| @rizen | gooey looks great | 00:48 |
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| @rizen | gooey is pastel you moron | 00:48 |
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| @rizen | =) | 00:48 |
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| +MrHairgrease | never said i liked gooey too =) | 00:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | watch out, them's fighting words! | 00:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | insulting a project's mascot is like making a website in baby-puke yellow | 00:49 |
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| +MrHairgrease | never had any children | 00:49 |
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| @rizen | purple and yellow are great colors together...that's part of the reason we chose yellow as the background color here | 00:49 |
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| +MrHairgrease | wouldn't know what that looks like | 00:49 |
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| @rizen | purple and yellow are the colors of royalty | 00:49 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ha | 00:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | trust me on this one, MHG. Given the bilious nature of stomach acid, it's baby-puke yellow. | 00:50 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the only royalty i care for is royaly sized drinks | 00:50 |
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| @vayde | not to mention the colors of the MN Vikings | 00:50 |
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| +MrHairgrease | pd: thanks for the tip | 00:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | But this is Wisconsin.....? | 00:50 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i'll put children on hold for even longer =) | 00:50 |
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| * SDuensin still doesn't like the yellow. | 00:51 |
| @rizen | webgui is bigger than wisconsin | 00:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | MrHairGrease, if you weaken and need a refresher, we can take care of you. | 00:51 |
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| +MrHairgrease | pd thanks | 00:51 |
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| @rizen | SDuensin...is it because you don't like yellow as a color, or the particular yellows that we've chosen? | 00:51 |
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| +MrHairgrease | nice to be able to count on people | 00:51 |
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| +MrHairgrease | rizen, with weak is meant pale | 00:52 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that's the word i was looking for | 00:52 |
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| SDuensin | I just don't care for it as the base color on a web site. | 00:52 |
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| @rizen | so your bias is against yellow in general then | 00:53 |
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| @rizen | not specifically the colors we've chosen | 00:53 |
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| SDuensin | Yea | 00:53 |
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| @rizen | ok...quick poll...who here won't like this design no matter what variety of yellow we put on it? | 00:55 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it's not really my taste | 00:56 |
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| SDuensin | Design is fine with me. The font on the lozenges is a bit hard to read. | 00:56 |
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| @vayde | the lozenge font is hard to read | 00:57 |
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| @rizen | we'll be using a different font on the lozenge when we go out, cuz i can't read it either | 00:57 |
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| @vayde | the Z's could be taken for an attempt at a lower case L | 00:57 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it's the same font as the webgui image | 00:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | next to the logo | 00:58 |
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| @rizen | yeah, but big you can read it. small you can't | 00:58 |
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| @rizen | some fonts are just like that | 00:58 |
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| @vayde | It's cool, it just takes a couple more seconds to decipher | 00:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | vayde don't you worry about that photo you sent jt | 01:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | check this out: | 01:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | http://jt.plainblack.com/uploads/ph/Wv/phWv1xzJkxfxxHor9fVVew/jt_face.jpg | 01:23 |
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| @rizen | that's a beautiful face | 01:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's the face of death! | 01:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | or at least badly hungover | 01:25 |
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| @rizen | this is an even better close-up, you can really see the detail in the eyes | 01:25 |
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| @rizen | http://www.bownds.net/uploads/xW/WS/xWWS5RE23tXxpVwiFQbtkg/jteyes-small.jpg | 01:25 |
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| @preaction | remind me to never do anything to annoy JT again | 01:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | don't call him sweetie, preaction | 01:26 |
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| @preaction | checkaroonie | 01:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | it makes his eyeballs spin in the other direction | 01:26 |
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| @rizen | oooh...and the hand tatoo http://www.bownds.net/uploads/xW/WS/xWWS5RE23tXxpVwiFQbtkg/jt_side.jpg | 01:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | perlbot carebare is the ever cuddly rizen | 01:26 |
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| perlbot | added carebare to the database | 01:26 |
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| @preaction | rizen: LARP? | 01:26 |
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| @rizen | nope...halloween 2002 | 01:27 |
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| @preaction | ah | 01:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlbot: LARP? | 01:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ha | 01:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | Los Angeles Riot Police? | 01:27 |
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| @rizen | a little less scary in 2004: http://www.bownds.net/uploads/nW/GU/nWGUUFrr4y5NA-9ko6xt4w/jt_and_sarah_as_fred_and_wilma.jpg | 01:27 |
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| @preaction | perlbot LARP is Live-Action Role Playing -- One of the last vestiges of the uber-geek. | 01:27 |
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| perlbot | added LARP to the database | 01:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the 2nd image does remind me of something | 01:27 |
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| @rizen | what jt would look like if he were dutch: http://www.bownds.net/uploads/K-/K4/K-K4NLygFyXYXeTJNUru3Q/PICT1224.JPG | 01:29 |
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| @preaction | rizen: so I have this fix for the EMS / gama problem. What should I do with existing shopping carts / sessions that will create problems (since they don't have matching entries in the new table)? should i just delete them? expire the session perhaps? or just leave a note in the gotchas? | 01:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh man | 01:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i really need wooden shoes now | 01:30 |
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| @vayde | dear sweet god! | 01:30 |
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| @rizen | leave a note in the gotchas | 01:30 |
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| @preaction | k | 01:30 |
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| @rizen | and write some sort of an sql report that we can give to gama | 01:30 |
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| @rizen | so they can sort out the mess | 01:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ewww | 01:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | never new ryan could be so gross | 01:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | http://jt.plainblack.com/uploads/R3/yz/R3yzI23c8d_3a9gGj9Msmg/ryan_kristi.jpg | 01:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | anyway | 01:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | time for those sweet dreams | 01:37 |
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| @preaction | rizen: should i go ahead and install the fix for gama? or will they have to wait for 7.3.15? there's an upgrade script, so i'd think wait, but the upgrade script will still work if it just happens to be run multiple times (create table if not exists) | 02:22 |
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| @rizen | if it will still work | 02:25 |
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| @rizen | then install it now | 02:25 |
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| @preaction | k | 02:25 |
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| @rizen | be sure to backup their database before installing | 02:25 |
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| @preaction | will do | 02:25 |
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| SDuensin | Muhahahaha - got WebGUI 7.3.14 running on my host. So easy! | 03:49 |
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| SDuensin | Used the RHLE4 WRE. My host is running CentOS4. Works like a champ. | 03:54 |
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| @preaction | woohoo! | 04:04 |
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| @preaction | i'm starting to understand the Event Management System. and i feel dirty | 04:06 |
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| SDuensin | hehehe | 04:07 |
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| * SDuensin feels guilty for not hosting with PB. | 04:07 |
| @preaction | why? it's good to get more spread for webgui | 04:08 |
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| @preaction | of course, why CentOS? why not ubuntu or debian? | 04:08 |
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| SDuensin | That's what my host uses. I have a "virtual private server". Full root access to do whatever I want. $60 a month. Not bad at all. | 04:09 |
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| @preaction | not bad indeed | 04:09 |
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| SDuensin | Think it's safe to move a MySQL database by copying the files instead of doing a dump/reload? | 04:11 |
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| @preaction | no | 04:11 |
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| SDuensin | :-) | 04:12 |
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| @preaction | unless the server is shut down | 04:12 |
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| @preaction | then ... good luck | 04:12 |
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| SDuensin | That was my gut feeling. | 04:12 |
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| * SDuensin has to move a mess of WebGUI sites to the new host. | 04:12 |
| @preaction | make a remote login to one of the mysql servers, then it's as simple as: | 04:12 |
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| @preaction | mysqldump -hhost1 <db1> | mysql -hhost2 <db2> | 04:13 |
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| SDuensin | Yea. I used to do that to back up databases on a point of sale system I wrote. | 04:13 |
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| @preaction | and then: scp -r host1:/data/domains host2:/data | 04:13 |
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| @preaction | shell programming is fun | 04:14 |
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| SDuensin | :-) | 04:14 |
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| @rizen | you should feel dirty for touching the ems, but not for understanding it | 04:14 |
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| @vayde | So, no problems with wG on a virtual private server? | 04:31 |
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| PedersenMJ | hey all | 04:33 |
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| @vayde | rizen, does a 'virtual private server' entail any special conditions for wG? | 04:35 |
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| SDuensin | Nope, vayde. I simply turned off the existing Apache and loaded the WRE. | 04:35 |
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| @vayde | cool. I had my old ISP asking for details about it. | 04:35 |
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| @rizen | nope. no special conditions | 04:36 |
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| @rizen | but you'll need a hell of a lot of ram in the physical server | 04:36 |
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| @rizen | because each VPS will need at least 512 to make webgui run | 04:36 |
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| @rizen | and it better be a multiprocessor box as well | 04:36 |
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| SDuensin | It is. :-) | 04:37 |
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| SDuensin | Could have more RAM, but I can get more later: http://www.liquidweb.com/shared/plan4.htm | 04:37 |
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| sstanvir | hello | 04:39 |
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| sstanvir | I need some help | 04:39 |
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| @rizen | very cool sd | 04:39 |
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| @rizen | we'd like to offer vps, but it's just not worth it financially to us. you have to sell a lot of them to make it worth while | 04:40 |
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| @rizen | plus we can't offer it cheap enough | 04:40 |
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| @rizen | what sort of help sstanvir? | 04:40 |
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| SDuensin | Yea. Like I said, I feel bad for not using PB, but I can't beat that price. (And I can't afford PB.) | 04:40 |
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| sstanvir | thnx for reply | 04:40 |
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| @vayde | I know a guy locally that will do it for $25/month. Not sure what the hardware or details are though | 04:41 |
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| sstanvir | i posted the details here+ | 04:41 |
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| sstanvir | http://www.plainblack.com/install/upgrade_help/fresh-installation-of-webgui-7.3.13?layout=nested#idlOK_myX1AqKV_SeSmHWhZw | 04:41 |
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| sstanvir | and here + | 04:41 |
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| sstanvir | http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/cant-locate-object-method-server/2/re-cant-locate-object-method-server | 04:41 |
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| sstanvir | (the last message) | 04:41 |
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| sstanvir | i guess both relates to same problem.. may be due to perl installation ... | 04:42 |
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| PedersenMJ | sstanvir: Hang on, I run Debian unstable/testing at home, and have it working. That's a missing package. Lemme get the list. | 04:43 |
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| PedersenMJ | gooeybot pastebin | 04:44 |
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| sstanvir | ok | 04:44 |
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| PedersenMJ | Dang, need a pastebin site, and can never remember where they are. | 04:44 |
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| PedersenMJ | perlbot tell me about pastebin | 04:44 |
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| sstanvir | (FYI: i am installing in a CentOS) | 04:44 |
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| @rizen | perlbot paste? | 04:45 |
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| perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. | 04:45 |
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| SDuensin | I just installed WebGUI on CentOS 4 using the RHLE4 WRE. Worked like a champ. | 04:45 |
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| sstanvir | but I am installing from the source.. and I have to install from the source | 04:45 |
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| PedersenMJ | http://sial.org/pbot/24040 | 04:45 |
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| @rizen | what are the results of the following commands: | 04:46 |
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| @rizen | which perl | 04:46 |
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| @rizen | perl -v | 04:46 |
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| SDuensin | You have to? Why? | 04:46 |
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| sstanvir | which perl -? /usr/local/bin/perl | 04:46 |
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| sstanvir | perl -v - > This is perl, v5.8.8 built for i686-linux .... | 04:47 |
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| sstanvir | SDuensin is asking the reason for installing from source? well.. actually I am preparing a development server for a project | 04:48 |
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| sstanvir | and most vital reason is..it's the order from the management to install from the source :( | 04:48 |
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| SDuensin | Oh yea. Very familiar with that reason. | 04:49 |
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| PedersenMJ | Hmmm... Couldn't you do that by downloading the WRE source file, and compile that? | 04:49 |
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| sstanvir | actually I can't argue with that.. there are lots of policies.. or reasons | 04:50 |
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| sstanvir | and obviously there is some reason to release webgui source.. right ? | 04:50 |
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| PedersenMJ | Wait, I didn't read *your* part of the post, sstanvir: Your problem is more basic than that. Unless you *are* running www.domain.com | 04:50 |
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| PedersenMJ | spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1012] - ADMIN: Couldn't connect to WebGUI site www.domain.com.conf | 04:51 |
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| sstanvir | ok..please read the post. if u have some time | 04:51 |
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| PedersenMJ | I did. I think. | 04:51 |
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| sstanvir | ok | 04:51 |
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| sstanvir | as per my knowledge I installed all the modules | 04:52 |
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| sstanvir | but perl preloade.perl says.. can't find Apache2::ServerUtil-> server | 04:52 |
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| PedersenMJ | Where did you install WebGUI to? /data/WebGUI ? | 04:52 |
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| sstanvir | right | 04:52 |
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| PedersenMJ | ls /data/WebGUI/etc/*.conf | 04:53 |
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| sstanvir | well: + | 04:53 |
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| sstanvir | log.conf spectre.conf www.domain.com.conf | 04:54 |
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| PedersenMJ | Okay: Are you the webhost for domain.com ? | 04:54 |
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| sstanvir | you mean DNS ? | 04:55 |
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| PedersenMJ | No, I mean: Are you running the computer that will serve the pages if I point my browser to http://www.domain.com/ | 04:55 |
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| sstanvir | we are just using a name for development.. moreover it's machine that doesn't even have a real IP | 04:56 |
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| PedersenMJ | That's fine. But, unless I'm mistaken (and about to get a smackdown for it) spectre (a very critical piece of webgui) must be able to connect to what it *thinks* is a real domain. | 04:57 |
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| @preaction | you can use /etc/hosts to point spectre in the right direction | 04:57 |
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| @preaction | but don't use "domain.com", use "example.com", which is actually set aside by the ICANN for use in things like this | 04:57 |
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| @preaction | or just use "localhost" | 04:57 |
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| PedersenMJ | Yes, perfect suggestion. I was thinking I was going to need to find a good dns tutorial :) | 04:57 |
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| sstanvir | actually instead of domain we used some name [domain].com | 04:58 |
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| @preaction | mais oui | 04:59 |
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| sstanvir | i also did the installation of webgui before with webgui7... some version.. | 04:59 |
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| sstanvir | that time there was no such problem | 04:59 |
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| sstanvir | so.. what r u suggesting.. | 04:59 |
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| sstanvir | i have to have the same name in /etc/host as the www.domain.com.conf _ | 05:00 |
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| sstanvir | ? | 05:00 |
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| PedersenMJ | Spectre is relatively new. I don't know which version started requiring it, but it was in the 7.x series. I think it was 7.2. | 05:00 |
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| @preaction | your server has to know what it is, right? | 05:00 |
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| @preaction | 6.99 started spectre | 05:00 |
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| @preaction | which was the beta for 7.0 | 05:00 |
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| sstanvir | (i installed 7.3.5 or 7.3.6 i guess before) | 05:01 |
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| PedersenMJ | 7.3.5 is a version that I *know* required spectre in order to operate properly. | 05:01 |
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| sstanvir | i know.. because I read about spectre and prepared some documents for office internal use on the configuration issues | 05:02 |
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| sstanvir | i found there are two different directory structure for perl in the server: | 05:04 |
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| sstanvir | one is in /usr/local/lib/perl5 | 05:04 |
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| @rizen | yeah, if you're using perl out of /usr/local | 05:04 |
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| PedersenMJ | BTW, sstanvir: I just ran "perl preload.perl" from the command line, and got the same issue (unable to locate method server), even though WebGUI runs fine. | 05:04 |
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| @rizen | then you also have one in /usr/bin | 05:04 |
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| sstanvir | other is /usr/lib/perl5 | 05:05 |
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| @rizen | are you using the apache that came with centos? | 05:05 |
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| sstanvir | i installed separately ..2.0.59 | 05:05 |
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| @rizen | and you told that new apache specifically where your new perl is? | 05:05 |
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| sstanvir | yes..u mean in httpd.conf? | 05:05 |
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| @rizen | no..i mean at compile time | 05:05 |
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| @rizen | when you compiled modperl | 05:06 |
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| @rizen | you had to tell it which perl to use | 05:06 |
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| @rizen | if you didn't do that, then it's probably using the /usr/bin version | 05:06 |
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| @rizen | rather than /usr/local | 05:06 |
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| sstanvir | i did one thing.. i linked the /usr/bin/perl to /usr/local/bin/perl | 05:06 |
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| @rizen | in addition, since you compiled your own apache, you have to download and install libapreq2 from the apache site | 05:06 |
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| @rizen | and compile that manually | 05:06 |
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| sstanvir | yes.. i did that too | 05:06 |
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| @rizen | don't know what to tell you then. sounds like you did everything right | 05:07 |
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| PedersenMJ | sst: What do you you linked /usr/bin/perl to /usr/local/bin/perl? | 05:07 |
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| sstanvir | sorry PedersenMJ...can u pls repeat the que | 05:08 |
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| @rizen | does "management" ever acutally log in to the server? if not, just use the WRE. wre-0.7.2-rhel4 was compiled on CentOS 4 | 05:08 |
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| @rizen | you'll save yourself piles and piles of headache | 05:08 |
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| PedersenMJ | sst: What do you mean when you say you "linked the /usr/bin/perl to /usr/local/bin/perl" ? | 05:09 |
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| sstanvir | thnx rizen.. but my team leader is strict to install from the source | 05:09 |
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| sstanvir | i mean.. there was one /usr/bin/perl.. i guess from some previous installation | 05:09 |
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| sstanvir | after I install perl-5.8.8 , i found /usr/local/bin/perl | 05:09 |
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| @rizen | and going back to the reason that we release as source...it's not so "management" can say install from source. it's so people that don't use the OS's we compile for can build for their own distro | 05:09 |
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| sstanvir | understood rizen | 05:10 |
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| PedersenMJ | So, sst: What did you do to make this link happen? | 05:10 |
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| sstanvir | and pedersen.. to make sure that when i execute perl | 05:10 |
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| sstanvir | it invokes the latest installation.. i linked the old binary to the new one | 05:10 |
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| @rizen | here's an idea if you're absolutely unwilling/unable to use the WRE...what you could do is download the WRE source tarball, and look at build.sh that comes with it | 05:10 |
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| @rizen | that will give you step by step instructions on the commands you need to use to compile successfully | 05:11 |
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| PedersenMJ | What command(s) did you use to link the old binary to the new one? | 05:11 |
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| sstanvir | ln -s | 05:11 |
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| sstanvir | now /usr/bin/ shows : perl -> /usr/local/bin/perl | 05:12 |
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| @rizen | hey peeps...the first new book is out | 05:12 |
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| @rizen | http://www.lulu.com/content/779723 | 05:12 |
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| SDuensin | Books!? | 05:12 |
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| @rizen | and the b/w edition http://www.lulu.com/content/780007 | 05:12 |
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| SDuensin | BOOKS! | 05:12 |
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| SDuensin | WHOO! | 05:12 |
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| PedersenMJ | Ah, so instead of running "ln -s" you ran "ln -s /usr/local/bin/perl /usr/bin/perl". That's what I was trying to ascertain. | 05:12 |
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| sstanvir | yeah | 05:13 |
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| sstanvir | comeon.. i am not much of an expert.. but i am not that stupid ;) | 05:13 |
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| PedersenMJ | Ooof. $100 is a tough price for me to pay right now. But I would love to get it. | 05:14 |
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| PedersenMJ | sst: You could have done a number of different things when you say that you linked the two. I wanted to know which of the items on the list you had done, so I could provide ideas on where to look next to resolve any problems. | 05:18 |
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| PedersenMJ | Even saying you had done "ln -s" *still* left open quite a few possibilities, ranging from the simple ln command above, to a backwards version of it, to having written a script that would loop over everything under /usr/local, looking for perl files, and symlinking them back into the main /usr/lib/perl area to make sure you didn't accidentally use the one from /usr/local. | 05:19 |
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| sstanvir | hmm | 05:21 |
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| sstanvir | what if i just remove the /usr/bin/perl | 05:21 |
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| @preaction | sstanvir: probably a Very Bad Idea (tm) | 05:22 |
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| PedersenMJ | A very real possibility for your issues right now is that your compilation of mod_perl for Apache picked up the include files under /usr/include, instead of the ones from /usr/local (assuming that they are there). Now, you run perl from /usr/local, and things look good there, but Apache (and mod_perl) don't see the same version you do, because they're not running the same code. | 05:22 |
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| sstanvir | i c | 05:23 |
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| sstanvir | yeah.. that could happen | 05:23 |
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| PedersenMJ | So, go with what rizen suggested: Download the WRE, follow the steps in build.sh. After that, make sure that your machine sees the hostname you expect Spectre to see, and thinks that that hostname points to itself (for instance, have "127.0.0.1 www.domain.com" in /etc/hosts | 05:25 |
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| sstanvir | considering the possibility that u mentioned about apache and mod_perl | 05:26 |
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| sstanvir | what if I compile those again ? | 05:27 |
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| PedersenMJ | Well, wre contains Apache, mod_perl, and everything else. If you follow the full set of steps in build.sh, you'll be rebuilding them anyway. | 05:27 |
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| sstanvir | understood | 05:28 |
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| sstanvir | but I thought as of now ..just to try compiling apache.. mod_perl .. | 05:28 |
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| PedersenMJ | Go for it. Worst thing that could happen is that you accidentally do rm -rf / and have to rebuild the server :) | 05:30 |
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| sstanvir | :) | 05:30 |
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| sstanvir | btw.. when I installed apache2, | 05:31 |
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| sstanvir | i did this: ./configure --with-z=/usr/local/lib | 05:31 |
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| PedersenMJ | Since I don't know apache2 compile time options off the top of my head, I'll have to go with "Cool. Glad for you. Hope it helped." | 05:33 |
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| sstanvir | :) | 05:33 |
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| sstanvir | oh man... | 05:33 |
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| sstanvir | rizen told me one thing.. when to install mod_perl , during compile time i have to specify which perl to use | 05:33 |
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| sstanvir | how to do that? | 05:34 |
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| PedersenMJ | Probably has to do with some of those apache2 compile time options that I've not memorized, but which would be listed/used in build.sh to ensure that the correct perl is used for the WRE. | 05:34 |
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| sstanvir | okey :( | 05:35 |
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| sstanvir | the world is leading me to WRE.. but the team leader is against the world | 05:35 |
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| SDuensin | I know the feeling, sstanvir. | 05:36 |
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| * SDuensin quit the job he had that was like that. | 05:36 |
| PedersenMJ | No, the world is leading you to the absolute ultimate answer for your questions: How to build from source. Since WRE does it, and does it automatically, there's code that automates the process. And that means you can read the code and duplicate the results. | 05:37 |
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| @preaction | specifically: wre/sbin/build.sh | 05:37 |
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| @preaction | sstanvir: if you insist on installing mod_perl from cpan, make sure you use the right Perl instance | 05:38 |
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| sstanvir | i downloaded the mod_perl-2.0.3 | 05:38 |
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| @preaction | why not just use cpan? | 05:39 |
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| sstanvir | well.. that can work as well | 05:39 |
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| sstanvir | but how to make sure to use the right perl instance | 05:40 |
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| @preaction | it will install it into the Perl that you're using cpan with | 05:40 |
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| sstanvir | i have /usr/bin/cpan and /usr/local/bin/cpan | 05:41 |
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| sstanvir | if i invoke perl -MCPAN -e shell | 05:42 |
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| sstanvir | it should use the right one? | 05:42 |
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| @preaction | depends on the answer to `which perl` | 05:43 |
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| @preaction | which one is the Right one? | 05:43 |
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| sstanvir | which perl is /usr/local/bin/perl | 05:43 |
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| sstanvir | this is the right one | 05:43 |
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| @preaction | so "perl" will run "/usr/local/bin/perl", and "cpan" will probably run /usr/local/bin/cpan (you can verify with 'which cpan') | 05:44 |
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| @preaction | cpan for that perl will install modules for that perl | 05:44 |
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| sstanvir | yes | 05:45 |
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| sstanvir | mod_perl is in Bundle::Apache2 right? do u know the specific name of the module | 05:46 |
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| @preaction | do a search for Bundle::Apache2 | 05:50 |
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| @preaction | or just Apache2 | 05:50 |
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| sstanvir | ok | 05:52 |
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| sstanvir | anyway.. thanks a lot for your help and time preaction, PedersenMJ, rizen, SDuensin.... | 05:53 |
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| sstanvir | you guys are really nice.. | 05:53 |
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| sstanvir | so.. I will continue the battle.. and get back to u later with results.. | 05:54 |
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| sstanvir | wish me luck | 05:54 |
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| sstanvir | bfn | 05:54 |
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| @rizen | good luck | 05:54 |
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| PedersenMJ | lots of luck to you. | 05:55 |
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| @rizen | is there anything better than warm bread right out of the oven | 05:57 |
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| @rizen | drizzled with a little melty butter | 05:57 |
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| @rizen | methinks not | 05:57 |
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| @rizen | just made a loaf of bread | 05:57 |
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| @rizen | so good | 05:58 |
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| SDuensin | Aaahhaahhhhh....fresh bread! | 05:58 |
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| PedersenMJ | Ah, maybe add some small amounts of honey to the butter. Not necessary, but can make a nice touch. | 05:58 |
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| PedersenMJ | Fresh bread is the best, though, butter or no :) | 05:59 |
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| @rizen | pedersenmj...the b/w version is only $75 | 05:59 |
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| @rizen | and the book is almost 400 pages | 05:59 |
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| @rizen | lots of stuff in there | 05:59 |
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| @rizen | hmmm...will have to try the honey | 05:59 |
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| @rizen | haven't tried that one | 05:59 |
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| SDuensin | I'll need to make a bit more hosting money and then pick that book up. | 05:59 |
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| @rizen | not that i'm asking you to buy the book | 05:59 |
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| PedersenMJ | I know. $75 comes into range for me. And *believe* me, I don't doubt the value. Just more than I can do at this point. Although... I've got some cash coming my way soon ... ;) | 06:00 |
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| @rizen | indeed | 06:00 |
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| @rizen | if you prefer i can take it out of the money i'm sending you | 06:00 |
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| @rizen | and send you the book | 06:00 |
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| * SDuensin wants to support PB and wG. | 06:00 |
| PedersenMJ | What the hell. Yeah, I like that idea. | 06:01 |
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| @rizen | ok, which version would you like? | 06:01 |
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| PedersenMJ | Judgment call: Does the color add value to the contents? Or is the book totally fine without it? | 06:02 |
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| PedersenMJ | And: Does it affect how much plainblack gets? | 06:03 |
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| PedersenMJ | Better answer: Screw it, go for the color. Might as well, eh? | 06:03 |
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| @rizen | plain black makes far more on the b/w version | 06:03 |
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| @rizen | but the color one is cooler | 06:03 |
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| @rizen | cuz the screenshots are more legible in color | 06:04 |
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| PedersenMJ | Damn, now I'm torn between the two. Legibility matters, but so does supporting pb. | 06:05 |
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| PedersenMJ | I might be showing this to other people. Color will make them happier with the product. Color it should be. | 06:06 |
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| @rizen | don't worry about supporting us | 06:07 |
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| @rizen | go with the one you want | 06:07 |
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| @rizen | color it is | 06:07 |
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| PedersenMJ | Cool. Those two books should be a *very* lovely jump off point for me. I've got just enough knowledge to go in and muck about, and maybe get what I want. Having more information is always a good thing. | 06:09 |
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| @rizen | two books? | 06:10 |
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| PedersenMJ | WebGUI Primer as well. | 06:11 |
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| @rizen | oh right | 06:11 |
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| @rizen | from the contest | 06:11 |
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| @rizen | you'll probably just end up giving the primer away | 06:12 |
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| PedersenMJ | Exactly. Enough reading material to keep me occupied for a while. | 06:12 |
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| PedersenMJ | Eventually, yeah. But I do intend to at least leaf through it first. And see afterwards who it should go to. | 06:12 |
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| @rizen | everything covered in the primer is also covered in the cm guide...just in a hell of a lot more detail | 06:12 |
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| @rizen | look at it this way | 06:12 |
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| @rizen | the books that we are building now (starting with the CM guide) | 06:12 |
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| @rizen | are for the webgui professionals, like yourself | 06:13 |
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| @rizen | and the primers are the cheap books that can be handed out to the staff as a reference guide | 06:13 |
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| @rizen | the primer is a good book | 06:13 |
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| @rizen | but if you have the cm guide..you don't need the primer | 06:13 |
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| @rizen | i'll send it to you anyway | 06:13 |
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| PedersenMJ | Ah, okay. primer is way to hook somebody, basically. | 06:14 |
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| PedersenMJ | I think I know some people to slip that too, then, to get them started :) | 06:14 |
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| @rizen | cool | 06:14 |
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| @rizen | even though we just are now releasing the CM guide, we're already planning the second edition of it | 06:15 |
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| @rizen | it won't be out for 6 months to a year | 06:15 |
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| SDuensin | BOOKS! We like books. | 06:15 |
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| @rizen | but it's going to be another 100 page or so of content | 06:15 |
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| @rizen | so much in fact, that we're going to have to increase the format to a new bigger sized book | 06:16 |
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| PedersenMJ | Sweet :) | 06:16 |
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| PedersenMJ | I'm definitely going to be getting the other guides, too. | 06:16 |
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| @rizen | i had hoped the other two we're working on would be out this month | 06:17 |
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| @rizen | but we've been so busy with everything, and so short staffed, that they aren't done yet | 06:17 |
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| @rizen | but when all 3 are finished it will be between 1000 and 1200 pages of documentation | 06:18 |
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| SDuensin | Each a hundred bucks? | 06:18 |
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| @rizen | i don't think people will complain that we don't have enough documentation anymore | 06:18 |
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| @rizen | =) | 06:18 |
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| @rizen | 100 for color | 06:18 |
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| @rizen | and 75 for b/w | 06:18 |
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| SDuensin | Box set discount? :-) | 06:18 |
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| PedersenMJ | Is there where I'm supposed to express outrage that you haven't finished these books on my personal timetable? Or should I just nicely say that I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of them as soon as they come out? :) | 06:19 |
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| @rizen | probably | 06:19 |
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| @rizen | just the cost of printing the color ones is 65 per book | 06:19 |
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| SDuensin | Ouch. | 06:19 |
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| @rizen | and that doesn't count for all the time we put in to writing them | 06:19 |
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| @rizen | that's why we're charging so much | 06:19 |
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| @rizen | if we could offer them for 50 a piece we would | 06:19 |
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| SDuensin | Believe me, WebGUI is worth the cash. I just can't swing it yet. When I can, I'll be buying everything you guys offer. :-) | 06:20 |
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| PedersenMJ | I'm not the only one who feels that way. It's a *sweet* system, it really is. | 06:20 |
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| @rizen | i appreciate the support guys | 06:20 |
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| @rizen | thanks | 06:20 |
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| SDuensin | You deserve it. WebGUI kicks ass. | 06:21 |
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| SDuensin | And to think that I found the 5.x release completely by accident via Google. :-) | 06:21 |
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| PedersenMJ | I'm actually considering dropping my preference for Request Tracker, and using WG's system. | 06:21 |
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| +Radix_ | Cool work on the book - just checked out the lulu links then :) | 06:21 |
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| PedersenMJ | Dunno if I'm ready for that just yet, but it might be right for me. | 06:21 |
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| SDuensin | I'm dropping everything I can for wG. :-) | 06:21 |
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| SDuensin | Got two sites running on my host using it tonight! Went smooth as snot. I was really pleased. | 06:22 |
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| @rizen | yeah, we dropped RT for webgui a long time ago | 06:22 |
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| @rizen | and now that it has the email integration it's pretty sweet | 06:22 |
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| SDuensin | Third site is uploading now. :-) | 06:22 |
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| @rizen | nice SD | 06:22 |
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| PedersenMJ | The email integration is probably my killer feature. | 06:23 |
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| SDuensin | This third site unpacks to like 1.5 gig. Going to be awhile before it's up there. <G> | 06:23 |
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| @rizen | after we get through this "healing" phase, i plan on writing an actual TroubleTicket system into webgui | 06:23 |
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| @rizen | probably won't be until either late 2007 or early 2008 though | 06:23 |
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| SDuensin | Healing? | 06:24 |
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| @rizen | bug fixing, documentation, new wre, etc | 06:24 |
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| @rizen | search plainblack.com for "new years resolution" | 06:24 |
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| SDuensin | Ah yes. :-) | 06:24 |
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| SDuensin | :-) | 06:25 |
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| SDuensin | Well, I'm headed to bed. I'll talk to you all again tomorrow! | 06:25 |
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| PedersenMJ | g'night SDuensin ! | 06:25 |
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| @rizen | me too | 06:28 |
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| @rizen | later | 06:28 |
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| PedersenMJ | later rizen | 06:29 |
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| PedersenMJ | heya perlDreamer | 06:31 |
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| PedersenMJ | how goes? | 06:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | It is well | 06:32 |
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| @preaction | wonder if that troubleticket thing is going to be integrated with the Project Manager (i hope hope hope. Trac rules) | 06:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | troubleticket thing? | 06:32 |
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| @preaction | JT: after we get through this "healing" phase, i plan on writing an actual TroubleTicket system into webgui | 06:32 |
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| @preaction | i wonder if the healing phase includes Perl::Critic and fixing inheritance of the container assets and their constituents | 06:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | healing phase? | 06:40 |
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| @preaction | bug fixing, more docs, new wre | 06:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah | 06:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | at this rate, the healing will take a long time | 06:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't suppose we're planning another bug-a-thon anytime, are we? | 06:43 |
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| @preaction | i dunno. next friday vayde's coming down to madison and we're having a get-together. dunno the itinerary yet | 06:45 |
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| @preaction | it's been crazy around here. the alumni launch, short-staffed, etc... | 06:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | I know | 06:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | don't forget training new staff, publishing a book, webgui.org site design | 06:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | WUC conference details | 06:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | bread baking | 06:47 |
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| PedersenMJ | Damn... I need to find a place that does fresh bread on my way into work tomorrow. The fresher, the better. Now I've got an appetite. | 06:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | Where do you live? | 06:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | Google Maps is your friend, PedersenMJ | 06:48 |
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| PedersenMJ | The Garbage State. And TomTom is a better friend :) | 06:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | I've never tried. I'll have to give it a shot | 06:49 |
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| PedersenMJ | I've got it on a Treo 650. Now, their installation process sucks the sweat off a dead donkey's balls. It's less friendly than YggDrasil Linux with bad floppies. But the software, once installed, is fantastic. | 06:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | Hey, I think that model of Treo has one of our chips in it. You have chosen wisely. | 06:52 |
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| PedersenMJ | Personally, I wanted to stick with the Tungsten T5. Nice PDA. But, getting Navigator 6 on PalmOS required Treo 650. Nothing else supported or working. | 06:52 |
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| PedersenMJ | Having said that, I'll admit the 650 is pretty nice. Sometimes I wish I had separate devices, though, so that I could let the navigator run when a phone call comes in, but that's my only real complaint. | 06:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | The battery runtime estimation should be very, very good. | 06:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | Outside of that, you're on your own. | 06:54 |
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| PedersenMJ | Actually, it is pretty good. And the battery runtime is phenomenal. Actually better than the T5. | 06:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | That's really a function of the processor and the peripherals. | 06:56 |
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| PedersenMJ | Well, it does a good job. And it's pretty rare that I wish for two separate devices anymore. | 06:59 |
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| +Radix_ | I love my o2 atom :) | 07:01 |
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| PedersenMJ | There are only two things I don't like about the Treo: 1) Inability to run two programs at once. So the navigator has to exit before I can take a call. 2) Constantly having to defrag memory because of the apps I use. | 07:05 |
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| PedersenMJ | Wait, one other: lack of ability to do voice dialing from bluetooth earpiece. | 07:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: given two arbitrary DateTime objects, do you know how to calculate the difference between them in time in seconds? | 07:48 |
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| PedersenMJ | http://search.cpan.org/dist/DateTime-Format-Epoch/ <-convert to seconds in the epoch with this? | 07:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | I've already coded around it, but I'll remember that for next time. | 07:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | thanks, PedersenMJ | 07:57 |
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| PedersenMJ | You're welcome. I know I've done it before, and not with that, but damned if I can remember how right now. | 07:58 |
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| @rizen | i'm not really here, but i had to share this: http://defragit.blogspot.com/2007/03/announcing-metadot-7.html | 08:00 |
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| @rizen | holy crap | 08:00 |
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| @rizen | preaction: http://defragit.blogspot.com/2007/03/announcing-metadot-7.html | 08:01 |
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| @rizen | anyway...like i said, not really here | 08:01 |
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| @rizen | sleep now | 08:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh, go eat your bread! | 08:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | metadot moved to ruby on rails? | 08:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | whoa | 08:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | does that make wG the last known CMS written in Perl? | 08:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | There's websiteinabox (from googlecode) written in Catalyst, but it's in early alpha/dev-only phase. | 08:06 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:40 |
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| +MrHairgrease | rizen | 16:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | do you know how i can figure out what kind of protocol is being used for the connection of a page request | 16:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | http vs. https | 16:35 |
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| @rizen | if you're using the WRE it's not possible, at least in any way that I'm aware of | 16:38 |
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| @rizen | i've been trying to figure that out forever | 16:38 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i'm asking b/c you wanted to have a match option for http(s) in the redirect asset | 16:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the redirect rules | 16:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but if have have no way to figure that out | 16:40 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i cannot make the distinction | 16:40 |
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| @rizen | i know | 16:42 |
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| +MrHairgrease | maybe some env var may expose ssl usage? | 16:42 |
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| +MrHairgrease | dunno how they vary from ssl implementation to implementation | 16:42 |
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| @rizen | normally you'd do this: | 16:43 |
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| @rizen | if ($self->session->env->get("HTTPS") eq "on") { | 16:43 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh ok | 16:43 |
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| @rizen | so go ahead and do that in your code | 16:43 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but b/c of modproxy that doesn't work | 16:43 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ? | 16:43 |
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| @rizen | it will work for people not using wre | 16:43 |
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| @rizen | yeah, modproxy fucks it up | 16:43 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ic | 16:43 |
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| +MrHairgrease | well | 16:43 |
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| +MrHairgrease | were not at 7.4 yet | 16:44 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so i'll try to figure something out | 16:44 |
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| @rizen | i know a way around it with the wre as well, but i can't ask people to do it | 16:44 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the snippet you gave already helps | 16:44 |
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| @rizen | if you set up a seperate vhost on your modperl instance on a new port, and set an environment variable called HTTPS to on | 16:45 |
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| @rizen | and then have modproxy redirect all ssl requests to that one | 16:45 |
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| @rizen | it is a work around for the problem | 16:45 |
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| @rizen | but what a fuck around operation | 16:45 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 16:46 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that's not quite neat=) | 16:46 |
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| +MrHairgrease | does anybody know what wrong when during upgrading 6.99.0-7.1.3 errors with | 17:54 |
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| +MrHairgrease | READY TO BEGIN UPGRADES | 17:54 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Cannot open config file: at ../../lib/WebGUI/Config.pm line 348. | 17:54 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Can't locate object method "http" via package "../.." at ../../lib/WebGUI/Session.pm line 370. | 17:54 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Processing upgrade executable failed! | 17:54 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I've had this error before and solved it | 17:54 |
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| +MrHairgrease | bu i cannot remember whati did | 17:54 |
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| +MrHairgrease | rizen | 18:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | when's the wuc? | 18:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it says september on the hotel info on the site | 18:11 |
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| @vayde | I don't know if rizen is really here. He's 'off' today, but I don't know how off 'off' is | 18:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | he responded to me a few hours ago | 18:13 |
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| @vayde | dunno. I just got a reminder email that he's 'out' figured I'd let you know | 18:14 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:14 |
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| +MrHairgrease | thanks | 18:14 |
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| @vayde | WUC is Oct 17-19th. Deadline for special hotel rates is midnight on Sept 17th, 1 month prior to the beginning of the WUC | 18:27 |
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| @vayde | crap, he's gone | 18:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | Are the smoke tests down? | 18:54 |
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| SDuensin | Anybody have an idea of how much the RAM requirement increases for every site you add to a WRE based WebGUI? | 21:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't think RAM requirements change that much per site as much as per connection. | 21:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | Basically, RAM for a new site would consist of the config file being translated to Perl data | 21:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | but I'd trust whatever rizen says more than that | 21:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | he's in the business of hosting | 21:46 |
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| SDuensin | I'm in the business of running out of RAM. :-) | 21:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | WRE/non-WRE? | 21:47 |
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| SDuensin | WRE | 21:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | hmmm | 21:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | Wait a minute, this is on your virtual host, right? | 21:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | You could try adjusting the WRE settings for Apache::SizeLimit and see if it helps. | 21:50 |
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| SDuensin | Yea. | 21:52 |
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| SDuensin | I've not crashed yet, but I'm close to my vhost limit. | 21:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | --bug | 00:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, do you see any problems with Mocking Log::Logger in the tests, all the time? | 00:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | Log::Log4Perl, I mean | 00:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | er, preaction_ | 00:50 |
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| @vayde | he must be feeling down today, less than himself | 01:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | that would be preaction-, no? | 01:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | I bet he's not really there | 01:02 |
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| @vayde | I dunno, maybe he's feeling REALLY low | 01:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | good board work today | 01:02 |
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| @vayde | Thanks, I haven't really done anything. | 01:02 |
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| @vayde | good thing things are slow. | 01:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think just dialoging with the users help them fix things on their own sometimes | 01:03 |
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| @vayde | you have any ideas about the workflow problems one? | 01:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | Let me read the thread | 01:03 |
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| @vayde | yeah, at least they know there's someone out there | 01:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | Okay, here's what I see | 01:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | spectre can talk to spectre | 01:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | WebGUI can't talk to spectre | 01:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | spectre says that it has nothing to do | 01:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | q.e.d, I would say that it is a spectre config problem in the site config file | 01:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | b.t.w, problems like this are why I put up my RFE for spectre status in the Admin panel | 01:05 |
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| @vayde | I don't know if I buy that spectre is the problem here | 01:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | it isn't the problem, just the spectre line in the wG.conf file | 01:06 |
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| @vayde | his main complaint is he makes a new page, and it don't show up | 01:06 |
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| @vayde | He's seeing a spectre error, and is having a problem, hence A must be connected to B. Unless you think they ARE connected | 01:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, he says that if he runs the workflow manually (via the Admin Panel run workflow feature) that it works | 01:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | that tells me it is spectre <--> webgui communication | 01:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | so it could be in spectre.conf as well | 01:09 |
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| @vayde | I'll ask him to post em both. Can't hurt. | 01:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | Could I get your feedback on this bug? | 01:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/trouble-with-search-users#bwxNi9JGw_ObzSiC7NPrRw | 01:11 |
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| @vayde | there isn't a WebGUI.conf, just an original. You mean <insert customer site here>.conf right? | 01:12 |
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| @vayde | sure, I'll look | 01:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes about the WebGUI.conf | 01:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm looking for an appropriate response to william's post to the bug thread | 01:13 |
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| @vayde | hang on, I'm reading | 01:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | sorry, too much virtue #2 | 01:14 |
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| @vayde | William's post, you mean about the message suggestion? | 01:16 |
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| @vayde | I think it's a great idea | 01:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | I like the idea, too but I have two concerns. | 01:16 |
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| @vayde | I got bit by that one on the PB site. Blank screen was a bit of a surprise | 01:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | WebGUI is supposed to work this way, so changing it should be an RFE, I think | 01:16 |
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| @vayde | Yeah, technically that's not a bug, but a feature that was left out | 01:17 |
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| @vayde | It should do something less ambiguous when you go to the page | 01:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | The other thing is that the message will appear and disappear as default searches and defined searches are performed, and it may be as confusing as the original behavior. | 01:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm thinking of using standard dodge #5... | 01:18 |
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| @vayde | I dunno, depends on how it's phrased | 01:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | S.D #5 = "This is a feature. Please submit an RFE. If you disagree, please take it up with JT/rizen" | 01:18 |
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| @vayde | If the screen is gonna be blank, insert a message saying 'you have lots of groups/users, I'm not gonna try to display em until you pare down the list with a search" | 01:19 |
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| @vayde | You are correct | 01:19 |
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| @vayde | I guess It depends on if a leaving out a feature can be called a bug | 01:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | exactly, and, in the past anyway, JT is the arbiter of those decisions | 01:20 |
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| @vayde | It is kinda scary to pull up a list of users or groups and get only a blank | 01:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | I agree. | 01:20 |
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| @vayde | Users are stupid, and panicking one just leads to even dumber behaviour | 01:20 |
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| @vayde | My opinion is call the left out feature a bug, and add it | 01:21 |
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| @vayde | However, as the FNG and padawan, my opinion don't count for much | 01:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | what is FNG? | 01:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | fairly new guy? | 01:21 |
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| @vayde | fuckin new guy | 01:22 |
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| @vayde | I gotta run. Class time | 01:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | see you | 01:27 |
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| @vayde | Hmm. I'm skunked again. | 02:47 |
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| bodhi_zazen | !hi | 02:54 |
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| @vayde | Ahh, I see it's not just me | 02:55 |
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| bodhi_zazen | Any bots in here ? | 02:55 |
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| @vayde | perlbot | 02:55 |
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| bodhi_zazen | !bot | 02:55 |
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| bodhi_zazen | !perl | 02:55 |
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| bodhi_zazen | !braindead | 02:55 |
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| bodhi_zazen | !knock-knock | 02:56 |
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| @vayde | Oh well. I'll get perlDreamer to school me in it again later. He's been very patient | 02:56 |
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| bodhi_zazen | http://www.perlbot.org/ | 02:57 |
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| @vayde | cool, thanks | 02:58 |
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| bodhi_zazen | I think that bot is mute | 02:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlbot: rizen? | 03:19 |
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| perlbot | JT, the creator of WebGUI, aka TMRFE | 03:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlbot: help | 03:19 |
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| perlbot | (fact)::tell (who) about (what)::(what) > (who)::learn (what) as (info)::relearn (fact) as (info)::phone (phone number)::shorten (url)::shorten it::search (module)::docs (module)::perldoc -f (function)::jargon (term)::math::fortune::flip::host (type) (record)::rot13::roll (die)::tempconv (temp)::scramble (foo)::8ball::slap::diss::what time is it::top/bottom (number) karma::geoip (ip) | 03:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | wrong syntax | 03:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | ahoy, vayde! what happened to class? | 03:20 |
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| @vayde | they never came in | 03:20 |
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| @vayde | I knew you'd save me on the bot | 03:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | I keep forgetting | 03:21 |
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| @vayde | I'm pretty new to irc too. | 03:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | gooeybot is a better overall bot, but preaction's network keeps dropping | 03:21 |
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| @vayde | I'd never used it, and then bodhi_zazen recruited me into the ubuntuforums-beginners team | 03:21 |
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| @vayde | the bot over there works differently | 03:21 |
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| @vayde | what's the difference between using <name>: and <name>, ? | 03:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't think any | 03:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlbot, what time is it? | 03:22 |
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| perlbot | Fri Apr 6 17:20:21 2007 Pacific Time | 03:22 |
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| @vayde | ahh, well there you go | 03:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlbot: what time is it? | 03:22 |
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| perlbot | Fri Apr 6 17:20:27 2007 Pacific Time | 03:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlbot- what time is it? | 03:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlbot; what time is it? | 03:23 |
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| @vayde | so, any name, followd by : or , yields the highlit message? | 03:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | looks like it | 03:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | I did a cool testing hack today | 03:24 |
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| @vayde | cool. We still need to talk about all your testing mojo | 03:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | I outfit all tests with the ability to intercept thing sent to the webgui.log file, to verify logging messages happens correctly | 03:25 |
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| @vayde | I may have another class in 10 though | 03:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | so if people don't show do you still charge them? | 03:25 |
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| @vayde | I'm stuck between wanting to go home early, and hoping customers show up | 03:26 |
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| @vayde | with us, you sign up for a number of classes per week, and then show up whenever your schedule/interests allow it | 03:26 |
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| @vayde | make up classes you miss too | 03:26 |
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| @vayde | It's a nice system. Makes it easy to work around whatever chaos shows up in your life | 03:27 |
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| @vayde | unfortunately, it's a bit too nice. It would probably be more effective if people HAD to show up at a certain day or time. | 03:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes. Kind of leaves you hanging | 03:27 |
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| @vayde | In a lot of ways, I'm too nice for my own good. If I was a little meaner, or opportunistic, I'd do better in business | 03:28 |
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| @vayde | I'm just not willing to do it though | 03:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | morals are important in whatever you do | 03:28 |
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| @vayde | And besides, I'm not the student's mother. They can show up or not. We're all big boys | 03:28 |
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| @vayde | Tuition is due per the membership agreement whether you show or not. I was here, ready to do my part | 03:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | I see, so it's just scheduling hassles, rather than being shorted. | 03:29 |
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| @vayde | Yeah, mine were preventing me from eating though. That's too bad | 03:29 |
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| @vayde | Not really hassles. | 03:29 |
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| @vayde | More like feast or famine | 03:29 |
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| @vayde | some classes are big, others tiny | 03:29 |
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| @vayde | which is fine. Makes my job interesting sometimes, but I'm the professional | 03:30 |
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| @vayde | It's an interesting time balancing between what the student NEEDS, and what they will show up for. | 03:30 |
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| @vayde | Traditionally you have disciples. They'll do anything you tell em to | 03:31 |
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| @vayde | Nowadays, there aint too many of those around. | 03:31 |
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| @vayde | Students on the other hand, will do what you say, to a point. | 03:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | Maybe that's what I am, a WebGUI disciple | 03:31 |
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| @vayde | but mostly you get customers. Customers are very, very different. Customers only do what THEY want. Regardless of what is best for their education | 03:32 |
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| @vayde | My teacher says a disciple is a student with discipline | 03:32 |
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| @vayde | You've learned this stuff, and kept at it. You'd count as a disciple. | 03:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | It sounds better than volunteer hacker | 03:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | hacker disciple | 03:33 |
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| @vayde | heh | 03:33 |
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| @vayde | I don't know what the time scale is in the hacker world. In martial arts, you'd need a few more years to count as a disciple. | 03:33 |
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| @vayde | That | 03:34 |
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| @vayde | That's one reason they're rare these days | 03:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | In martial arts, how many years to earn the title of disciple? | 03:34 |
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| @vayde | personally, I don't like the term. It's religious overtones spook people | 03:34 |
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| @vayde | There's no single guide. | 03:35 |
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| @vayde | I have one guy who I'd call a disciple. he's been with me for 10 years | 03:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | Yeah, I've only got 3 under my belt | 03:36 |
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| @vayde | Hey, I don't think wG has been around for 10 | 03:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | Only 5 | 03:37 |
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| @vayde | It's a little easier to rack up the time when the discipline is 1000+ years old | 03:37 |
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| @vayde | hell, perl, and computers in general can't quite compete there | 03:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, not even close! | 03:39 |
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| @vayde | well, looks like I'm skunked again. Can't say that I'm complaining. I'll be back online in a few when I get home. (home's just a couple miles up the road) talk to you in a few. | 03:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm back, did y'all miss me? | 04:43 |
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| PedersenMJ | Yeah, but my aim is getting better. | 04:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | there's always one in every crowd... | 04:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | Don't work too hard on hitting me, I spent large chunks of today working on wG's test suite | 04:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | Improving test coverage and extending it | 04:49 |
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| PedersenMJ | Yeah. Sad thing is, I seem to be in too many of those crowds, being that one. I need to get some time off, free up a few days from crowd-jackass duty. | 04:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | Don't be hard on yourself | 04:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | If you were really a crowd-jackass, JT would kick you out of the channel and ban your IP | 04:50 |
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| PedersenMJ | Ah, it's possible to be an only minorly annoying crowd-jackass. One that tosses in just the right remarks here and there to maintain the title, without going overboard into the offensive. | 04:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | You're far from that. | 04:52 |
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| PedersenMJ | Damn. Got to work on my abilities, then. That remark just cost me bookings for the next week! | 04:52 |
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| PedersenMJ | Well, then again, I did say I wanted some time off. | 04:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | Take the next few days off and take it easy. | 04:53 |
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| PedersenMJ | And now, I'm just being stupidly annoying. So, to stop: How much of the test suite did ya manage to get done? | 04:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | I upped the coverage on two Session tests to 100% | 04:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | and redid the Http test to look at the new caching code that's been in there | 04:53 |
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| PedersenMJ | Nice job! Congrats! Wow.... And here I am just trying to find the time to finish a theme. | 04:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | I had the day off from $dayJob, so I had lots of time | 04:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | my company gives us Good Friday as a holiday | 04:54 |
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| PedersenMJ | Nice. Very nice. They hiring? | 04:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | Are you an EE with > 5 years of experience? | 04:55 |
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| PedersenMJ | Nope. | 04:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | C programmer with assembly coding? | 04:56 |
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| PedersenMJ | C programmer: Yes, definitely (once read quadruply indirected pointers in my head). Assembly: I *can* do it, but usually choose not to (which, I know, rules me right out of that category). | 04:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, they're primarily looking for hardware level guys | 04:57 |
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| PedersenMJ | Yeah, I'm definitely not at that level. | 04:57 |
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| PedersenMJ | Dunno, really. Serious job satisfaction crisis for me. And, since I know that JT will eventually want to know why I didn't send in a resume to plainblack, it's because I enjoy WG more as a hobby, and would not remain happy for very long as a job. | 04:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | WG does make a very nice hobby. | 05:00 |
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| PedersenMJ | I think what I'm most tired of, right now, is that I'm basically on call all the time. Our helpdesk guy... I like him, he's a nice guy, but I'm starting to think he's somewhere around the level of weak power user. | 05:02 |
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| PedersenMJ | Yesterday, he asked me four times if deleting an Outlook profile on a laptop would delete the email off the Exchange server. | 05:02 |
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| PedersenMJ | And I mean he did that within a time span of about 15 minutes. | 05:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | oy | 05:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's no good | 05:03 |
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| PedersenMJ | I know. So, I'm just tired. Really tired. And complaining. Should stop that now. Will try. | 05:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | g'night, all | 05:52 |
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| PedersenMJ | SD: He's a real card. | 06:33 |
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| SDuensin | Eh? | 06:36 |
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| PedersenMJ | Types what he should have typed to make something remotely resembling a joke: | 06:37 |
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| PedersenMJ | That SD: He's a real card. | 06:37 |
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| SDuensin | :-P | 06:37 |
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| PedersenMJ | Sorry, am tired. My ability to make funny jokes is tired, too. Rain check? | 06:38 |
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| SDuensin | Sure. Why not. <G> | 06:39 |
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| PedersenMJ | Cool. Don't worry, I'll find a decent one to make later. | 06:40 |
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| PedersenMJ | Nothing at all like butcher dance, I promise. | 06:40 |
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| SDuensin | I don't even wanna know. | 06:41 |
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| PedersenMJ | One of the longest, and most horrible, puns I have ever read/heard. My wife walks out of the room if I mention it. I've been threatened with bodily harm at the punchline. I have had one woman scream at the top of her lungs about it. It's great :D | 06:42 |
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| PedersenMJ | http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/6174/jokes/butcher-dance.htm | 06:42 |
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| * SDuensin tries in vain to not click the link. | 06:42 |
| SDuensin | DOH! | 06:42 |
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| PedersenMJ | Now I *know* you didn't read the whole thing already. | 06:44 |
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| SDuensin | No. I will. :-) | 06:45 |
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| PedersenMJ | And, just imagine having somebody take the time to add still more detail at all the various junctures, and you'll get a feel for how I tell it. And I love telling it so much :) | 06:46 |
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| * SDuensin is reading on the IMDB about Casino Royale. | 06:49 |
| PedersenMJ | Ah, have heard good things about it. Will watch it someday. | 06:50 |
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| SDuensin | Just saw it. Excellent. The end is kind of slow, but I think that's just because the rest of the movie never lets up. | 06:51 |
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| SDuensin | The first 10 minutes are worth buying the disc for. Amazing stunt work. | 06:51 |
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| +Radix_ | I enjoyed it myself.. much more gritty than the previous bond films. But then it also shows how young he is at that stage of his career. | 06:52 |
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| SDuensin | I like Bond films. Even the dumb ones. This was good even compared to "regular" movies. :-) | 06:52 |
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| PedersenMJ | Bond films are fun, if for no other reason than high tech gadgetry being used in new and creative ways :) | 06:54 |
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| SDuensin | WHOA! I *KNEW* I saw Richard Branson in that film! | 06:55 |
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| * SDuensin loves the IMDB trivia. | 06:55 |
| PedersenMJ | One of the few things that managed to make me LOL: http://www.customerssuck.com/index.php?categoryid=13&p2007_articleid=4 | 07:03 |
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| * vayde groans | 17:48 |
| @vayde | It's too early to be faced with 5 year olds. | 17:48 |
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| @vayde | And violent ones at that | 17:48 |
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| SDuensin | :-) | 21:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | vayde, are you ready to learn the way of WebGUI Testing? | 21:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | It is long, and fraught with peril | 21:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | many have tried, few have persevered | 21:34 |
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| @vayde | I want to. I can't do it right now. I hafta close up shop and rescue the gf's vehicle from a horrible fate. Will you be around tonight or tomorrow? | 21:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | both, I think | 23:07 |
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| wgGuest11 | I am trying to evaluate different CSM, however I have had some issues trying to install Webgui on my Windows XP machine | 06:21 |
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| wgGuest11 | Is there any help available for this? | 06:21 |
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| PedersenMJ | Wow... I am *never* building webgui from source ever again! | 06:46 |
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| PedersenMJ | I just did the wre for the first time ever. I was an absolute idiot for insisting on building from source. | 06:46 |
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| @preaction | wre is easy, no? | 07:36 |
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| @preaction | jt's working on ways to make it even easier. but i don't think he'll be able to achieve binary-compatibility between distributions | 07:36 |
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| PedersenMJ | Is bedtime for this sad sack. see you all manana! | 07:43 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning. | 15:53 |
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| @preaction | morning | 15:54 |
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| SDuensin | WebGUI is becoming an obsession. | 15:58 |
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| SDuensin | My wife is going to kill me when she finds out what I'm spending screwing with web servers. | 15:58 |
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| SDuensin | :-) | 15:58 |
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| @preaction | turn it into profit? | 15:59 |
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| @preaction | there are always places looking for websites to be made | 15:59 |
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| SDuensin | That's the plan. I just completely suck at finding those people. | 16:02 |
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| ckotil | thats my dilema too | 16:04 |
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| SDuensin | Hey ckotil | 16:05 |
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| @preaction | eventually it becomes a matter of giving out your card to people, after of course making some cards | 16:06 |
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| @preaction | i believe we had an idea to add a "Services Connection" area to the new webgui.org site to help hook up potential clients to the people who could help them (since plainblack can get too busy to get to certain projects in a timely fashion) | 16:08 |
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| @preaction | i hope that happens | 16:08 |
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| @preaction | more exposure for webgui = more potential business for plainblack in every case | 16:08 |
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| SDuensin | Sounds good to me. | 16:09 |
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| * SDuensin has handed out a ton of cards. | 16:09 |
| SDuensin | Anyone ever hear of anyone converting from Drupal to WebGUI? | 16:10 |
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| @preaction | doesn't sound like a simple operation, but i think i've heard someone express interest in doing it | 16:10 |
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| SDuensin | Yea, but was that someone me? :-) | 16:12 |
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| @preaction | i think it was | 16:12 |
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| SDuensin | Well, unfortunately, I haven't helped myself do the conversion yet. :-P | 16:13 |
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| @preaction | i imagine you're going to have to start by mapping what can be actually converted from database to database. I just got done writing a large (3000+ line) migration script from a client's custom coldfusion database to webgui custom apps, so it can be done. | 16:16 |
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| @preaction | it just isn't very fun | 16:16 |
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| @preaction | basically thus: using DBI to grab information, use the WebGUI API to create the appropriate assets | 16:16 |
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| SDuensin | That's what I was gonna try and do. Let WebGUI do the writing so I don't screw it up. :-) | 16:22 |
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| @vayde | MrHairgrease, did you ever get the WUC schedule confirmed? It's Oct 17-19, but the hotel reservations need to be made by Sept 17 to get the cheap rate. | 17:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'm not sure what you mean. | 17:41 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the date of the wuc is already fixed right? | 17:41 |
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| @preaction | MrHairgrease: i believe the conference center is already booked and everything | 17:54 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that's what understood too | 17:55 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so i don't quite understand what vayde's trying to ask me | 17:55 |
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| @preaction | but then again, i'm not in charge of that, and it's better that i only worry about what i need to (which already is plenty) | 17:56 |
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| @vayde | Sorry, last week you asked a question that I interpreted to be confusion over the date of the WUC | 17:56 |
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| +MrHairgrease | did I? | 17:56 |
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| @vayde | there was a line on the hotel information page that sayd 'September 17' | 17:56 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh yeah | 17:56 |
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| +MrHairgrease | joeri saw that i guess | 17:56 |
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| @vayde | That's the deadline for cheap registration | 17:56 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ah i see | 17:57 |
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| @vayde | I have sinced messed with it in the attempt to make it clearer | 17:57 |
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| @preaction | o/t question: what would be a good language to learn that could get me through central europe? britain, france, bavaria, that area? | 17:57 |
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| @preaction | french? german? | 17:57 |
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| @vayde | $$$ | 17:57 |
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| @vayde | that always helps, no matter where | 17:57 |
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| +MrHairgrease | english | 17:57 |
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| @preaction | seriously? | 17:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | or you could learn german and french | 17:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | assuming you already speak english | 17:58 |
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| @vayde | naw, I think he should learn english | 17:58 |
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| @vayde | do him good | 17:58 |
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| @preaction | but only knowing english would get me by? | 17:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | not everywhere | 17:58 |
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| @preaction | even in, say, non-tourtisty areas? | 17:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it depends | 17:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | my experience in france is that a lot of people there don't speak much english | 17:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | mostly elder people | 17:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but then again | 17:59 |
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| @vayde | I had no trouble in Italy with english and what little Spanish I remembered from Jr. High school | 17:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | frensh people don't speak german | 17:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and vice versa | 17:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so it depends where you wana go | 17:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i managed to go to italy using english | 18:00 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but also a lot of hand symbols | 18:00 |
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| +MrHairgrease | if you're in tourist areas your good with english | 18:00 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but if you go hiking | 18:00 |
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| +MrHairgrease | or something like that | 18:00 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and pass trough these tiny villages | 18:01 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it can be difficult to communicate | 18:01 |
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| +MrHairgrease | germans are pretty good at englishg | 18:01 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and so are swiss and ausrian people | 18:01 |
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| +MrHairgrease | for france and italy | 18:01 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it really depends who you talk to | 18:02 |
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| @preaction | i've got a good base in french, so hopefully a few months of drilling might improve that to near-tourist levels | 18:02 |
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| +MrHairgrease | if you have a base you're good | 18:02 |
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| +MrHairgrease | you're plaaning you hollidays in eurotrashland then? | 18:03 |
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| @preaction | just planning my world trips | 18:03 |
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| @preaction | and the languages i'll need to learn for it | 18:03 |
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| @preaction | hindi, japanese, and french+german | 18:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | man | 18:04 |
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| @preaction | egyptian too | 18:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i cannot imagine learning all that | 18:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | 'm bad at languages | 18:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and happy with the ones i know already | 18:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | vayde: you need a new toy http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/warfare/885d/ | 19:06 |
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| @vayde | Heh. I shudder to think what the designers call a 'block' or an 'attack' | 19:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe we could hack it and correct it | 19:09 |
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| @vayde | but I can already punch through wall. | 19:10 |
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| @vayde | well, bulletproof vests anyway | 19:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | close enough | 19:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's what we used at my house instead of drywall | 19:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | the vests make for an interesting wall texture, plus they don't need to be painted | 19:12 |
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| @vayde | and then there's lots of pockets too | 19:12 |
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| greghacke | chirp - chirp - chirp | 20:46 |
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| SDuensin | Hey greghacke | 20:50 |
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| greghacke | hiya. just was really quiet. figured i'd see what all is working. | 20:50 |
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| cap10morgan | Can I bounce an idea off of you guys? | 21:02 |
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| cap10morgan | I'm in the process of upgrading a bunch of sites to v. 7 | 21:02 |
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| SDuensin | Hi cap10morgan | 21:02 |
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| cap10morgan | And I'm replacing SQL Reports that query the WebGUI database w/ macros, wobjects, etc. that use the API instead. | 21:02 |
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| cap10morgan | hello SDeunsin | 21:02 |
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| cap10morgan | But as I'm doing this, I'm thinking, it would be cool if there was a generic wobject to do all this for me. Sort of an "Asset Report" wobject. | 21:03 |
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| cap10morgan | The more I thought about that, though, the more I realized that 90% of that implementation would be re-implemented the navigation system. | 21:03 |
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| cap10morgan | So really, I just want to add some more features to the Navigation system. | 21:04 |
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| cap10morgan | Does that seem like logical? Or totally whacked? :) | 21:04 |
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| SDuensin | Good luck with all that. :-) | 21:04 |
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| SDuensin | I don't know enough about it to even say. | 21:04 |
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| cap10morgan | s/re-implemented/re-implementing | 21:05 |
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| @rizen | we've been thinking about doing that for quite a while | 21:05 |
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| cap10morgan | SDuensin: heh, thanks | 21:05 |
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| SDuensin | rizen lives! | 21:05 |
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| greghacke | what are you trying to add? what data are you pulling/looking at pulling? | 21:05 |
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| @rizen | but as far as adding it to the nav system that's a bad idea | 21:05 |
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| @rizen | the nav system is already one of the most complex assets in webgui | 21:05 |
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| @rizen | and one of the slowests | 21:05 |
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| @rizen | adding to it would make it even slower | 21:06 |
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| cap10morgan | rizen: ah, good reasons not to tack on too much more functionality then | 21:06 |
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| @rizen | plus, a lot of the template variables exposed in the nav asset, wouldn't need to be exposed for an asset report asset | 21:06 |
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| @rizen | however, you are right that the nav would be a good place to start | 21:06 |
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| @rizen | or at least something to base it off of | 21:07 |
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| cap10morgan | greghacke: basically i just need something w/ the flexibility of an SQL report but that uses the API to get its data | 21:07 |
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| cap10morgan | rizen: ok | 21:07 |
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| cap10morgan | i take it you guys don't have anything started yet? | 21:07 |
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| @rizen | nope | 21:07 |
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| @rizen | too many other projects | 21:08 |
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| cap10morgan | rizen: gotcha | 21:08 |
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| greghacke | OK, that I understand. I do a lot of SQL Reports for similar functions as well. | 21:08 |
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| @rizen | the asset report asset | 21:08 |
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| @rizen | should simply traverse the tree similar to the nav asset | 21:08 |
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| @rizen | but limit based upon asset type | 21:09 |
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| @rizen | and instead of all the variables that we expose in nav | 21:09 |
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| @rizen | this would expose the properties of the assets | 21:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | is it just an interface to getLineage? | 21:09 |
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| @rizen | yup | 21:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's like 10 lines of code | 21:09 |
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| @rizen | it should be fairly trivial to write | 21:09 |
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| @rizen | yeah | 21:09 |
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| @rizen | the most difficult part is exposing all the configuration properties | 21:10 |
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| cap10morgan | i'm wanting it to be able to do some pretty flexible traversing options, like start here and descend, start here and grab siblings (all the nav stuff), plus things like: just pull from this arbitrary list of assets and descend, etc. | 21:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | right, so really just remove the guts of Nav and insert 10 lines of code | 21:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | my @assets = WebGUI::Asset->getLineage($session, [options and switches]); | 21:11 |
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| cap10morgan | perlDreamer: that's an excellent place to start. :) | 21:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | foreach my $asset (@assets) { | 21:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | push @varAssets, $asset->get(); | 21:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | } | 21:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | then the template variable render | 21:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's all pseude-code, by the way | 21:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | if you actually copy/paste that it probably won't work | 21:12 |
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| cap10morgan | sure | 21:12 |
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| @preaction | cap10morgan: you may want to check $asset->can("getTemplateVars") first. I know that WebGUI::Asset::Event uses that to add a whole bunch of vars that are very useful if not necessary. I don't know the status of adding getTemplateVars as an Asset standard method though | 21:28 |
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| cap10morgan | preaction: cool, will look into that | 21:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: has the deprecation of WebGUI::Session::DateTime (in preference of WebGUI::DateTime) been discussed? | 01:34 |
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| @rizen | what do you want to discuss pd? | 01:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | I seem to remember at some point we were going to deprecate Session::DateTime in favor of WebGUI::DateTime | 01:41 |
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| @rizen | yes | 01:42 |
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| @rizen | but that's a long time coming | 01:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, in that case I'm going to finish the test suite for Session::DateTime | 01:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | just in case | 01:42 |
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| @rizen | we first have to migrate everything in the core to the new api | 01:42 |
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| @rizen | actually, that's a good idea | 01:43 |
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| @rizen | cuz then when we convert Session::Date to use WebGUI::Date | 01:43 |
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| @rizen | (if we do that) | 01:43 |
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| @rizen | then we'll be able to test that it works | 01:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll keep on it then | 01:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | w00t! 100% subroutine coverage in DateTime | 02:41 |
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| @preaction | woohoo! | 02:41 |
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| @rizen | ahoo | 02:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | careful observers will notice however, that branch and conditional coverage are not mentioned in that press release | 02:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: can your PR gal also start sending release info to LWN.net? | 02:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | formal press releases go to pr@lwn.net | 02:44 |
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| @rizen | does that even make sense? | 02:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | sure | 02:44 |
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| @rizen | i thought that was a linux site | 02:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | It is | 02:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | But their weekly coverage also handles frameworks, tools, cad, audio and video editing, etc. | 02:44 |
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| @rizen | ok | 02:44 |
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| @rizen | i'll tell her | 02:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://lwn.net/Articles/226258/ | 02:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | there's an example | 02:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I'm tired of reading Zope/Plone/PHP stuff there all the time | 02:45 |
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| SDuensin | Hey PedersenMJ | 04:44 |
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| PedersenMJ | How goes it? | 04:44 |
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| SDuensin | Not bad. Watching 24 and putting up more WebGUI sites. :-) | 04:45 |
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| PedersenMJ | Cool :) | 04:48 |
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| +Radix-wrk | the new poll on plainblack.com's support page didn't include my favourite asset - snippet :( | 04:54 |
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| SDuensin | God I love WebGUI. | 04:56 |
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| @preaction | does IE7 not like forms generated by DOM? i've got a script here http://alumni.plainblack.net/extras/yui-webgui/build/form/dynamicGroup.js, everything seems to work except that WebGUI.Form.DynamicGroup.getSearchResults never seems to get called. I've got a bunch of alerts in there that works with FF no problem, but are never reached with IE7. | 05:01 |
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| @preaction | IE7 gives me no error, and I can't see anything with my syntax that is overtly wrong | 05:02 |
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| SDuensin | Dunno. I'm doing IE7 testing on my site right now. | 05:03 |
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| @preaction | i think i might've found something... IE7 has no JS debugging at all for god's sake... | 05:03 |
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| @preaction | and JS is already notorious for failing w/ no error for just no durned reasn | 05:03 |
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| @preaction | 3 hours of this and i'm... a little purturbed... | 05:03 |
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| @preaction | and of course Yui doesn't include a changelog, since it seems to be a Yui problem... | 05:35 |
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| +Radix-wrk | http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/how-to-get-the-most-out-of-snippets | 05:38 |
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| PedersenMJ | Hey, does anybody here know of a reliable rs-232 cable for a treo 650? I've now tried a total of three of them, and am getting nowhere. | 05:46 |
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| +Radix-wrk | rs232? wtf? | 06:04 |
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| +Radix-wrk | surely it uses usb or mini-usb like everyone else | 06:04 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I thought only vintage hardware used rs232 - like my old Commodore 64 | 06:05 |
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| PedersenMJ | Or many GPS units? | 06:06 |
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| PedersenMJ | Or high end switches? | 06:06 |
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| PedersenMJ | Or unix based servers which are meant to run in headless mode, and don't have a video card at all? | 06:06 |
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| +Radix-wrk | ethernet | 06:07 |
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| PedersenMJ | Which works *fabulously* once you've got TCP/IP up and running. What about before that gets started? | 06:07 |
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| +Radix-wrk | usb | 06:07 |
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| +Radix-wrk | ;) | 06:07 |
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| PedersenMJ | I'm looking to connect my Treo 650 to a Garmin ForeTrex 101. The only cable it provides as an input/output is serial/rs-232. | 06:08 |
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| +Radix-wrk | no bluetooth? | 06:08 |
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| PedersenMJ | Ah, USB works marvelously once the OS is running. What about when you need to modify the bios settings before the OS even can get started? | 06:08 |
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| PedersenMJ | Nope, no bluetooth. | 06:09 |
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| +Radix-wrk | good luck then :) | 06:09 |
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| PedersenMJ | Yep. I'm getting slower speeds (4800), but can't get the input to work on those speeds. I need a way to send data into the GPS, as well as pull data out of it. Well, need is the wrong word. It's not required, obviously. Would just make a nice finishing touch for paperless geocaching. | 06:10 |
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| PedersenMJ | Oh, I need a 9600bps connection to make the input work. And it's driving me nuts that I can't find it. | 06:11 |
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| +Radix-wrk | 4800bps.. just seems so.. last century.. | 06:12 |
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| PedersenMJ | Works great for nmea data, which does most of what is needed/desired, but still leaves me short on quickly adding waypoints to the gps. | 06:13 |
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| PedersenMJ | BTW, Radix-wrk: I have a server upstairs which has no monitor, no video card, no keyboard, and no mouse. It uses a serial port console to allow me to connect a random laptop to it and administer when I have to do local administration. | 06:17 |
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| preaction_ | could someone try to 'svn co http://commctrl.com/hybrid' for me quick? | 06:43 |
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| PedersenMJ | svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/hybrid' | 06:44 |
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| PedersenMJ | svn: PROPFIND of '/hybrid': 405 Method Not Allowed (http://commctrl.com) | 06:44 |
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| @preaction | good, thanks | 06:44 |
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| @preaction | oh crap | 06:44 |
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| @preaction | 'svn co svn://commctrl.com/hybrid' <- try that instead | 06:45 |
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| @preaction | i'm not using apache, but svnserve under inetd | 06:45 |
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| PedersenMJ | svn: /data/svn.commctrl.com/hybrid/conf/svnserve.conf:18: Section header expected | 06:45 |
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| @preaction | okay, better | 06:45 |
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| @preaction | an error, but an error meaning you can reach the server | 06:45 |
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| @preaction | how long did it take? pretty quick? | 06:45 |
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| PedersenMJ | Very quick,. | 06:46 |
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| @preaction | sweet, thanks | 06:46 |
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| PedersenMJ | <5 seconds. Probably <2, but not positive if it was that quick. | 06:46 |
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| @preaction | that box is under heavy load all the time, and i'm not nice to it | 06:46 |
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| @preaction | i make a p90 run mod_perl + a whole slew of little stuff | 06:46 |
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| * preaction is evul | 06:47 |
| PedersenMJ | Poor little machine. | 06:47 |
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| * PedersenMJ gives it some pity. | 06:47 |
| @preaction | mod_perl consistently times out, and i'm planning on moving it out, but it'll still be running my torrents >:) | 06:47 |
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| PedersenMJ | Oh, nice! The new version of macvim finally does something good for the tabs. | 06:48 |
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| @preaction | there's a macvim? interesting | 06:48 |
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| PedersenMJ | Oh yeah. http://www.macvim.org/ | 06:49 |
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| PedersenMJ | Okay guys, I've got a question for you. First off, the current theme in progress is http://www.oswd.org/design/preview/id/1705 | 06:51 |
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| PedersenMJ | In the lower left is a box named "The Semantic Web". I'm having a hard time deciding what to put *in* that box. Any suggestions? | 06:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | Something WebGUI-esque? | 06:52 |
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| +Radix-wrk | http://www.lipsum.com/ | 06:53 |
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| @preaction | http://plainblack.com?op=genesis | 06:53 |
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| @preaction | was there an IE7 bug in the admin console / asset edit pages that got fixed since 7.3.10 that anyone knows about? | 06:54 |
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| * preaction greps the changelogs | 06:54 |
| PedersenMJ | I've been debating about it for a couple days now. A graphic seems cheesy, somehow. No other asset seems like quite the right thing to do. \ | 06:54 |
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| PedersenMJ | The genesis snippet might be okay, I suppose. | 06:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: not that I did | 06:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | that may help limit the search | 06:57 |
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| @preaction | i can't see one... i think it's just IE's debugger throwing up on the code previous, preventing me from getting to code afterwards (which is where the real problem lies) | 06:58 |
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| PedersenMJ | Hmmm... I wonder, what do people think of this idea for an RFE? A maximum number of items to appear in a navigation control. | 06:58 |
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| @preaction | like max levels + max assets per level? sort of thing? | 06:59 |
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| PedersenMJ | My goal: I'd like to have an "older news" section, and have it limit itself to 3 or 4 items. Navigation *seems* like the right idea, which is where that idea for an RFE came from. | 06:59 |
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| @preaction | actually, cap10morgan is (i think) implementing the Asset Report Wobject, which will be basically an user-configurable interface to AssetLineage->getLineage | 07:00 |
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| PedersenMJ | Dang it, is max assets per level a new feature? I don't see that (though could be blind) when making a new navigation. | 07:00 |
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| @preaction | so, a subset of navigation's features | 07:00 |
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| @preaction | max assets per level might be a new feature, and it might be a good idea. nav assets can be ... slow | 07:00 |
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| PedersenMJ | I might just toss that in as an RFE, then. If it's not already in there, at least. | 07:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | max assets per level probably won't help much | 07:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | children are returned flat | 07:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | at least not for speed anyway | 07:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | but I like the concept | 07:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen will point out that it will make the nav slower since it's more code | 07:02 |
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| PedersenMJ | For me, it's not about speed. I'd like it to return just the first (x) items, and that's it. | 07:02 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I'd like max assets per level too | 07:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | post it as an RFE | 07:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | we have karma that needs spending | 07:03 |
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| PedersenMJ | Just double-checking the latest featureset, to make sure I'm not duping existant features, first. | 07:03 |
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| @preaction | it might speed it up, since you don't have to check so many assets (each asset you walk through in a nav has to be instanciated) | 07:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's what I was saying earlier | 07:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | you get a flat list of kids back | 07:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | in order to tell what level it is, you have to instanciate it | 07:04 |
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| @preaction | no, you can tell from the lineage itself | 07:05 |
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| @preaction | 0000001 <- root. 00000010000001 <- under root, say /home 00000010000002 - under root, say /import | 07:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | How do you get the lineage without instanciating it? | 07:06 |
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| @preaction | the getLineage call in the nav asset doesn't returnObjects iirc. it also has a "max assets per level" option | 07:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | it does | 07:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | return objects, I mean | 07:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | but that could be optimized out | 07:08 |
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| @preaction | that doesn't sound good. it might have a whole branch of the tree it skips for some reason or another | 07:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's the consequence of limiting the number of assets per level | 07:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm starting to think that wG could do with some "base" assets. | 07:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | Most Nav's show 1 level | 07:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | simplified versions of Assets could really speed things up | 07:10 |
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| PedersenMJ | http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/navigation-max-assets-per-level-/-max-assets#wUAmOUkwTuB47SjwjEfzdw | 07:10 |
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| @preaction | isn't "ancestorLimit" what we're talking about? | 07:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's number of levels up from me (.) | 07:11 |
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| @preaction | no, it's endingLineageLength | 07:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's depth down, not number per level | 07:12 |
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| @preaction | then what's ancestorLimit? | 07:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | number of levels up from me to display | 07:12 |
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| @preaction | so one is depth down from root, and the other is depth up from current | 07:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | not from root, from ., to use directory nomenclature | 07:13 |
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| @preaction | so one is depth down from current, otre is depth up from current, nothing to limit how long those branches reach | 07:14 |
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| PedersenMJ | However, the idea I was originally discussing is not depth, but breadth of a given level. | 07:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | only the select boxes for the Asset. I think it's up or down 5-6 levels | 07:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | PedersenMJ: exactly | 07:15 |
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| @preaction | PedersenMJ: it might be best to lump this into the Asset Report wobject, since its plan is to not add all the nav-specific stuff and instead add all the asset's data (from Asset->get) | 07:16 |
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| PedersenMJ | I'd be okay with it either way, honestly. My big goal is to be able to allow people to create a "news" type folder, dump articles in there, and have them be pulled out (order not yet specified) and links put onto a page. | 07:17 |
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| PedersenMJ | heading to bed myself. See you all later! | 08:16 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning. | 15:55 |
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| ckotil | good morning indeed | 15:56 |
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| ckotil | a bt nippy. but this week should mark the end of that | 15:56 |
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| SDuensin | It's tired in here. I need more coffee. | 16:04 |
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| ckotil | i had a lot of sleep last night, and a relaxing evening. | 16:04 |
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| ckotil | cleaned up the house, basically spring cleaned for a couple hours | 16:04 |
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| ckotil | which had me sleeping even better than usual | 16:05 |
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| SDuensin | I watched 24 and worked on WebGUI sites. :-) | 16:05 |
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| ckotil | that was a helluvan episode of 24 | 16:10 |
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| SDuensin | Best part: "Damn, Jack." | 16:11 |
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| ckotil | haha | 16:11 |
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| ckotil | he took em all out | 16:11 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning, bopbop | 16:35 |
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| bopbop | morning! | 16:35 |
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| SDuensin | Hey cap10morgan | 16:37 |
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| cap10morgan | Hey | 16:37 |
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| SDuensin | I think I broke my web host. :-) | 16:44 |
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| SDuensin | But I did it in a good way... | 16:45 |
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| SDuensin | Nothing works *except* WebGUI! | 16:45 |
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| ckotil | heh | 17:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | It irks me when you try to help somebody on the boards and they completely ignore you. | 18:54 |
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| @rizen | indeed | 18:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's worse for you guys. | 18:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | People pay you to help them, then they ignore you. | 18:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | and then bad mouth you and the software | 18:57 |
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| @rizen | still at least we get paid, you just get shafted | 18:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | This is true. | 18:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | You always know how to cheer me up, rizen. | 18:58 |
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| SDuensin | hehe | 18:58 |
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| @vayde | he has quite the bedside manner ;) | 18:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | Hey, vayde! Up for some testing? | 18:59 |
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| @vayde | Heh. Lemme solve, or at least get a head start on my other labors. Lest TMRFE be responsible for my unemployment too. | 19:00 |
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| @preaction | nearly five hours later, i find that the solution to my problem is incredibly stupid: http://whyiesucks.blogspot.com/2006/07/ie-cannot-set-events-via-dom-in-order.html | 21:13 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i always use the yui to set eventhandlers | 21:15 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yui rocks | 21:15 |
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| +MrHairgrease | like elvis does | 21:15 |
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| SDuensin | Go IE! | 21:15 |
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| @vayde | I have a bunch of ninjas, wanna make a trip west preaction? | 21:21 |
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| cap10morgan | How do you get your favicon.ico file to show up as /favicon.ico on your site so IE will see it? | 21:21 |
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| cap10morgan | I've tried setting the URL to "favicon.ico" and it renders the entire asset inaccessible, even for editing | 21:22 |
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| +MrHairgrease | upload a file with url /favico.ico | 21:22 |
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| cap10morgan | i have to delete it | 21:22 |
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| @preaction | i don't think i have the ... testicular fortitude to challenge Skynet | 21:22 |
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| @vayde | that's ok, I dont actually have any ninjas in WA. Strangely enough, the only place I do have ninjas awaiting my commands is Minneapolis... and Madison. | 21:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | they can sleep over at my house! | 21:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | now, how do we get them from WI to OR? | 21:28 |
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| @vayde | Not unless you want your butt kicked by a 15 yr old girl, and then your wife. | 21:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm | 21:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | I was more concerned with transportation logistics than other pursuits | 21:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | We have a software company that needs attitude adjustment | 21:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | Focus | 21:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | focus | 21:30 |
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| @vayde | ahh, my mistake | 21:30 |
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| @vayde | I'll tell you this, they'd never see her coming. | 21:30 |
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| @vayde | Or believe what they were seeing when a 90lb little slip of a thing starts tossing 200lb guys around like confetti | 21:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | cap10morgan | 21:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | what i said doesn't work | 21:31 |
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| cap10morgan | MrHairgrease: yes, I got it working though | 21:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | my asset is editable though | 21:32 |
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| cap10morgan | thank you! | 21:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh | 21:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | how? | 21:32 |
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| cap10morgan | i just needed a <link rel="shortcut icon" href="/uploads/xx/xx/xxxxxxxxxxxx/favicon.ico" /> tag in the template | 21:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ah | 21:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | doh | 21:32 |
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| cap10morgan | that seems to work w/ all browsers | 21:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i knew that | 21:32 |
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| cap10morgan | including IE | 21:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | =) | 21:32 |
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| cap10morgan | my devs were putting pngs everywhere and only testing on Fx | 21:35 |
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| cap10morgan | where those work fine :) | 21:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | cap, I know it's after the fact, but there's a wiki article on the favicon | 21:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/changing-the-site-icon-in-webgui | 21:46 |
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| @vayde | Wow preaction, my kung fu is definitely improving if I can knock you offline with a single IM | 23:29 |
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| @preaction | that was YOU? | 23:30 |
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| @preaction | my computer just started smoking and flashing | 23:30 |
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| @preaction | then spat a cloud of black ink at me | 23:30 |
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| @preaction | i'm lucky to be alive! | 23:30 |
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| @vayde | tele-smack (tm) | 23:30 |
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| @vayde | been working on it for years | 23:31 |
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| @preaction | you, my friend, are a God | 23:31 |
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| @preaction | all i ask is that you use your new powers wisely | 23:31 |
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| @vayde | no, no, no. you're thinking of tele-smite. That's different | 23:31 |
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| @vayde | I'll have to level up before I can do that. | 23:31 |
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| @vayde | You know what I don't understand? Does anybody actually buy stock that gets advertised to you via spam? I mean, does this strike you as a good investment? | 23:37 |
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| @vayde | Anybody know how to force vi to use a certain syntax highlighting scheme? | 23:40 |
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| @vayde | nm. :set ft=perl will do it | 23:43 |
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| SDuensin | vi = Virtually Incomprehensible | 23:43 |
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| @vayde | hey, it's kinda like a secret handshake. | 23:44 |
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| @vayde | I have a couple students that use emacs, and I try to keep them from holding hands :P | 23:45 |
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| SDuensin | hehe | 23:45 |
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| SDuensin | I still stick with JOE. Good old WordStar. | 23:45 |
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| SDuensin | Anyway, I'm off. Headed home. Talk to you all later. | 23:47 |
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| nuba | whoa. WordStar.. now thats ancient stuff | 00:09 |
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| nuba | i remember seeing wordstar around when i was, like, 7 yrs old | 00:09 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Ahh....I think there might have been a problem with the Plainblack website caching. I went to the downloads page and the latest release was 7.3.3. | 00:55 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Woot....yet another hands free upgrade (7.3.5-7.3.14) | 01:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah yes. Those have been rare recently | 01:04 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Bah....Stupid Weather::Com req | 01:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | just force install it | 01:58 |
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| perlmonkey2 | OOInterface test on line 167 | 01:58 |
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| perlmonkey2 | returning 2005 | 01:58 |
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| perlmonkey2 | let me guess, it was written in 2005 | 01:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | yup, it's a bad test | 01:58 |
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| perlmonkey2 | hmm....maybe I'll send in a patch tonight.....that is a few years for it to still be bad. | 01:59 |
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| PedersenMJ | good evening | 04:43 |
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| perlDreame1 | bother | 05:06 |
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| perlDreame1 | I forgot to log off at work | 05:06 |
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| * PedersenMJ changes perlDreamer's name to Pooh. | 05:11 |
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| perlDreame1 | What did you say PedersenMJ? I have a bit of fluff in my ear... | 05:45 |
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| PedersenMJ | That's okay, preaction . Thanks for noticin' me. | 05:48 |
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| @preaction | you're welcome | 05:48 |
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| perlDreame1 | Does anyone know how to make Devel::Cover generate an HTML report by default, instead of just the text one? | 05:52 |
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| PedersenMJ_ | g'night all. | 07:48 |
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| AMH_bob | /msg NickServ IDENTIFY ma48as | 14:38 |
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| +Radix_ | someone needs a new password! | 15:16 |
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| nuba | heh | 15:26 |
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| AMH_bob | hello | 15:32 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning. | 15:52 |
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| rizen_ | howdy neighbors | 16:44 |
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| SDuensin | Hey rizen | 16:45 |
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| @rizen | So how's your WebGUI migration going SD? | 16:53 |
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| SDuensin | The WebGUI side is going great. Arguing with legacy crap is going to drive me to drink. :-) | 16:54 |
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| @rizen | I tried to make the API extremely easy to use to import existing external content. Our devs have loved it for that. | 16:55 |
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| @rizen | But at the same time, they always curse the legacy systems they have to export the data from | 16:56 |
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| @rizen | cuz there generally is no API | 16:56 |
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| @rizen | so it's a bunch of raw database queries, and raw file parsing | 16:56 |
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| SDuensin | I haven't managed to get that far yet. I need to get the existing Drupal site running on the new server before I can deal with the migration. | 16:56 |
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| @rizen | ah | 16:56 |
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| @rizen | is it already running elsewhere? | 16:56 |
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| SDuensin | I did read a bit on the WebGUI stuff though. :-) | 16:57 |
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| @rizen | perhaps you could write your migration script to work across the net | 16:57 |
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| SDuensin | The Drupal site? Yes. | 16:57 |
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| SDuensin | I could, but I'm time constrained on this. I need to get all my sites off the old server so I can quit paying for it. | 16:57 |
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| @rizen | ah | 16:57 |
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| SDuensin | Yea. Migrating servers while entertaining my 2 year old daughter was kinda tough last night. No wonder I couldn't get it all working. :-) | 16:58 |
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| @rizen | that would do it almost every time | 17:02 |
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| SDuensin | rizen - Simple request for the new WRE... If you have to "setenvironment" with it, change the user's prompt so they know what environment they're in. | 17:30 |
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| @rizen | is IRC an RFE list? | 17:30 |
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| SDuensin | Might be. :-) | 17:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | irc = intrinsic rfe channel right? | 17:32 |
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| SDuensin | hehehe | 17:32 |
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| @rizen | insignificant requests chided | 17:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | intolerable rambling childtalk | 17:36 |
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| @rizen | insolence rhetoric and chicanery | 17:36 |
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| @vayde | irritable reprobates and children | 17:42 |
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| +MrHairgrease | irc = who gives a damn | 17:42 |
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| @vayde | I'm just not happy until I get to chime in with my 2 cents worth... I learned it from my ex-wife | 17:43 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh | 17:44 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i didn't know | 17:44 |
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| +MrHairgrease | prolly b/c i don't have an ex-wife | 17:44 |
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| +MrHairgrease | =) | 17:44 |
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| @vayde | I only made 3 mistakes: marrying a laywer, marrying THAT laywer, and getting married. =) | 17:45 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ah well | 17:45 |
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| +MrHairgrease | at least they're correlated | 17:46 |
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| +crythias | greetings | 19:15 |
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| +crythias | perldreamer, rizen, preaction, you here? | 19:15 |
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| @preaction | yes'm | 19:15 |
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| +crythias | yessir, would be more appropriate, but whatever. | 19:15 |
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| +crythias | :) | 19:15 |
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| @rizen | indeed | 19:15 |
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| +crythias | anyway. What would be the ramifications of giving a UILevel to a group? | 19:16 |
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| +crythias | Example being the posts by philadev regarding the Admin Group Template Var | 19:16 |
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| +crythias | if the *group* had an effective UI Level, that would make the editors stuck with the group's UILevel (or at least a thought of the max UILevel being the one assigned to the group) | 19:17 |
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| @rizen | but then which group would you go with? | 19:18 |
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| @rizen | if each group could have a UI level | 19:18 |
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| @rizen | and each user can be a member of various groups | 19:18 |
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| +crythias | MAX (YourUILevel, EditorUILevel, AdminUILevel) | 19:19 |
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| +crythias | er. sorry | 19:19 |
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| +crythias | I didn't say that right | 19:19 |
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| +crythias | MAX (YourUILevel,EditorUILevel,ViewerUILevel) | 19:19 |
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| @rizen | do you understand the performance implications therein? on every request, you need to then check all the UI levels of every group that the user belongs to | 19:20 |
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| @rizen | plus i don't even know wha tEditorUiLevel and viewerUiLevel means | 19:20 |
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| +crythias | For an Asset to be edited, it checks what UI Level you have before you can perform certain functions. | 19:21 |
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| @rizen | unless you mean the edit and view groups of the asset | 19:21 |
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| @rizen | which is what it sounds like | 19:21 |
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| +crythias | and what group(s) of which you are members, yeah. | 19:21 |
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| @rizen | and then you have two problems | 19:21 |
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| @rizen | it has to recursively check all the groups of groups | 19:21 |
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| @rizen | so we're back to performance | 19:21 |
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| @rizen | and secondly...if it's attached to the group | 19:22 |
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| @rizen | and the user can set which group is assigned to the asset | 19:22 |
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| @rizen | then they can effectively set their own ui level | 19:22 |
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| +crythias | that's why I'm asking. | 19:22 |
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| @rizen | if you want them to be able to set their own UI level | 19:22 |
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| @rizen | then just expose the UI Level to them in their preferences | 19:22 |
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| @rizen | just set the user profile field for UI level to be "editable" | 19:23 |
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| @rizen | and there you have it | 19:23 |
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| +crythias | hrm. OK, then what's a good way to have some editors have some choices removed for an asset in one area but not another? can they duplicate the .pm | 19:23 |
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| +crythias | like, Article.pm to Article2.pm? | 19:24 |
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| @rizen | why would you ever want that? | 19:24 |
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| +crythias | "Unfortunately, I only want the edit controls to be hidden when this asset shows up in this particular template. I'm using an asset proxy to a preconfigured navigation that is set to edit by Admin. However our users occasionally attempt to alter the few assets that are embedded in this template. Primarily because the edit icons lead them to believe they have that ability. That, of course, results in getting a permission denied error which initiates a chain o | 19:24 |
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| @rizen | i just don't understand | 19:24 |
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| +crythias | not me. | 19:24 |
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| @rizen | the answer is TFB | 19:25 |
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| @rizen | do it a different way | 19:25 |
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| +crythias | fair 'nuff. | 19:25 |
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| +crythias | the thread, btw: http://www.plainblack.com/web_design_templates_and_themes/admin-group-template-var/4#id8dUXh44OqZa7cfciuxZsaw | 19:25 |
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| @rizen | the reason is, there's no reason to sacrifice performance for a feature that is likely to be used by less than 1% of users,a nd then less than 1% of the time | 19:26 |
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| +crythias | then again, they could simply not include the edit controls macro in the article template. | 19:26 |
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| @rizen | yup | 19:26 |
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| +crythias | by macro I ment tmpl_var... | 19:26 |
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| +crythias | meant. sheesh. | 19:26 |
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| @rizen | hence "rizen: do it a different way" | 19:26 |
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| +crythias | yeah. I was trying to figure out the "different ways" and .. yeah. same thing I've done before. render the full document then grab the html and replace the tmp_var controls. | 19:27 |
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| @preaction | does setting a thumbnail size of "1" in the collab system act specially? "1" seems to leave the image at full size instead of generating a thumbnail, but 2 will make a 2px thumb | 19:50 |
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| @preaction | if so, i'm going to post a bug about getting that documented | 19:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | sounds like a bug | 19:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | smells like a bug | 19:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | but I don't think it's a bug in the CS, it's either in Image::Magick or in Storage::Image | 20:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | there's a related bug in the WebGUI::Image | 20:08 |
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| ckotil | question, can I uplaod mega huge iso's (cd iso's) to webgui without blowing it up? | 21:00 |
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| ckotil | and without my db getting insanely huge | 21:00 |
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| @rizen | it doesnt' affect db size | 21:01 |
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| ckotil | ok wikd. | 21:01 |
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| @rizen | but it does affect the size of your uploads folder | 21:01 |
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| ckotil | thats fine. | 21:01 |
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| ckotil | we'd have to store the large files anyway | 21:01 |
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| @rizen | each revisiion of the file will create a new copy of the file also | 21:01 |
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| ckotil | i was going to place them in a passthru | 21:01 |
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| ckotil | OHHH | 21:01 |
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| @rizen | also...your apache will likely time out uploading such a huge file | 21:02 |
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| ckotil | heh | 21:02 |
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| @rizen | methinks you'd be better off doing a passthru folder | 21:02 |
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| ckotil | noone wants to do that :/ | 21:02 |
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| ckotil | i can raise the timeout limit | 21:02 |
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| ckotil | and i alredy raised the apreq2file size limit | 21:02 |
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| ckotil | hrm problem with raising timeout limit, is that it raises it for every connection | 21:18 |
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| ckotil | and that coudl be baad | 21:18 |
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| cap10morgan | If you have a date in a userDefined field, is it possible to do formatting on that date in the template? Or would that require a custom macro or javascript? | 21:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | how is the date entered? | 21:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | epoch or human | 21:21 |
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| cap10morgan | human | 21:22 |
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| cap10morgan | but mysql-style | 21:22 |
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| cap10morgan | 2007.-04-11 | 21:23 |
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| cap10morgan | er, no period | 21:23 |
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| cap10morgan | weicd | 21:23 |
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| cap10morgan | wow, i can type! | 21:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | you need to use either javascript or a custom macro | 21:23 |
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| cap10morgan | perlDreamer: ok, thanks | 21:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | The good news is that you can use the existing date macro for the starting point of a custom one. | 21:24 |
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| cap10morgan | perlDreamer: good call | 21:24 |
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| ckotil | does this seem like a timeout error? [Tue Apr 10 17:14:58 2007] [error] [client 129.79.9.37] End of file found, referer: | 21:25 |
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| ckotil | the file SEEMS to have been uplaoded into public/uploads just fine | 21:28 |
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| cap10morgan | i guess also, since it's a userDefined field, I could just run a query to go through and convert them all to the format I want and then tell people to input them that way in the future | 21:28 |
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| cap10morgan | since it's not actually a date field... | 21:28 |
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| ckotil | WORKS. | 21:31 |
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| ckotil | that error was from something else. | 21:31 |
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| ckotil | tho didnt make much senes. | 21:32 |
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| ckotil | folder asset needs an option to reverse alphabetise items. | 22:27 |
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| ckotil | im going to create aan rfe, then if i have time ill try to implement | 22:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | ckotil, that's a very simple RFE | 23:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | It should sail right through | 23:32 |
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| ckotil | i think so too | 23:53 |
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| ckotil | heading home.. have a good night | 23:54 |
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| @rizen | howdy peeps | 01:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | hey, man | 01:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | what's shakin' in Wisconsin? | 01:47 |
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| @rizen | it's been snowing here all day | 01:47 |
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| @rizen | not to mention that i had a very busy one today | 01:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | but the boards have been so light...? | 01:48 |
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| @rizen | answered nearly 70 emails | 01:48 |
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| @rizen | and 16 phone calls | 01:48 |
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| @rizen | fixed two bugs | 01:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | sweet! | 01:48 |
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| @rizen | fixed 3 server problems | 01:48 |
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| @rizen | wrote a speech that i have to give in about an hour | 01:49 |
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| @rizen | and interviewed two potential candidates for our new LTE position | 01:49 |
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| @rizen | that's a pretty full day | 01:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | what's an LTE? | 01:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | Linux Technical Expert | 01:51 |
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| @rizen | Limited Term Employment | 01:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | Loud Typewriter Executioner | 01:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah | 01:52 |
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| @rizen | i want to hire someone for a few months to clean up bugs and write tests | 01:52 |
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| @rizen | cuz everone on staff is so busy with projects and stuff | 01:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's so busy preaction hasn't even been talking on IRC that much | 01:53 |
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| @rizen | yup | 01:53 |
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| @rizen | very busy | 01:53 |
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| @rizen | he, like me, is sharing Frank's workload while he's on vacation | 01:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | Frank's on vacation? | 01:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | no way | 01:54 |
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| @rizen | he's doing the dev stuff that frank does, and i'm writing up quote requests and dev specs | 01:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | Frank work's like 16 hours a day 6 days/week | 01:54 |
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| @rizen | yup, and burned out because of it | 01:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's no good | 01:55 |
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| nuba | who's Frank? | 02:12 |
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| nuba | as in, irc nick.. | 02:12 |
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| @rizen | he's on here so little i don't even know | 02:12 |
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| @rizen | rizzo maybe | 02:12 |
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| @preaction | khenn | 02:13 |
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| @rizen | ah, there you go | 02:13 |
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| @preaction | msg chanserv access #webgui list | 02:13 |
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| @rizen | i'm sitting at a coffee shop | 02:24 |
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| @rizen | and there are three girls sitting next to me | 02:24 |
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| @rizen | who have a LPM that's off the charts | 02:25 |
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| @rizen | LPM = 'likes' per minute | 02:25 |
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| @rizen | it's so 'like', just, 'like', do it, 'like', you know | 02:25 |
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| cap10morgan | that's, like, a bummer, rizen | 02:25 |
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| @preaction | omg like seriously? | 02:25 |
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| @preaction | rotflol omg gtg kthxbye | 02:26 |
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| @rizen | it's giving me a headache | 02:26 |
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| @rizen | methinks i'll have to move | 02:26 |
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| @rizen | it's almost time to head over to madmongers to give my talk | 02:26 |
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| @rizen | so i guess i'll just shutdown and head over there | 02:26 |
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| @rizen | talk at you later guys | 02:26 |
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| @rizen | like goodbye or something | 02:26 |
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| @rizen | like so totally like later | 02:26 |
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| @preaction | omg <3 ttyl bbq | 02:27 |
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| cap10morgan | hehe | 02:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | ponies | 02:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | kittens | 02:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | puppies | 02:29 |
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| @preaction | OMG KITTENS | 02:29 |
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| @preaction | hey... it's not caturday | 02:30 |
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| @preaction | wait. every day is caturday! | 02:30 |
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| cap10morgan | http://www.rathergood.com/ | 02:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: you going to be around later tonight? I'd like to talk about the calendar with you. | 02:30 |
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| @preaction | i might be, otherwise i have a "vacation" coming up, and after i accomplish the one thing i want, i've got a large calendar rewrite/refactor to do (to fix bugs and basically do everything that i half-assed in the 6 hours before release) | 02:31 |
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| cap10morgan | I have a phantom asset type being loaded at the top of my new content menu. Where can I find out what all classes WebGUI is loading into that? | 03:09 |
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| cap10morgan | It has no name and acts like a Navigation asset if I try to deploy (but all the i18n strings are blank). | 03:10 |
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| cap10morgan | nm, i deleted my Asset_Navigation.pm l10n file | 03:31 |
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| cap10morgan | haha | 03:31 |
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| PedersenMJ | good eventide. | 04:12 |
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| PedersenMJ | Okay, must ask: How does everybody else deal with the "I'm not in the mood to do any coding/etc" blues, and get themselves motivated? | 05:45 |
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| * PedersenMJ drops a pin | 06:05 |
| * PedersenMJ notes that it was a pin from a hand grenade? | 06:21 |
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| +Radix-wrk | hey roy | 06:25 |
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| +snapcount | how's it going? | 06:27 |
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| +snapcount | should be about lunch time in your neck of the woods right about now eh? | 06:28 |
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| +Radix-wrk | yup.. just about :) | 06:37 |
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| PedersenMJ | Okay, I'm lame, I admit it, but I just played Doom 3 for the first time ever. I'd heard good things, but never actually tried it. Gonna buy it ASAP. | 08:03 |
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| +snapcount | can you download a demo? | 08:03 |
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| PedersenMJ | Yeah, and that's how I got to try it this time, actually. | 08:04 |
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| +snapcount | I'll have to check it out then | 08:05 |
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| +snapcount | that's how I got hooked on supcom so maybe I shouldn't... | 08:05 |
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| * snapcount ponders | 08:05 |
| PedersenMJ | I've only ever had two games that really affected my heart rate. The 7th Guest (play most of it overnight, with the lights out, and headphones on, by yourself, it gets creepy), and Doom 3. | 08:06 |
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| PedersenMJ | I'm now doing my cool off, to return to normal, before trying for sleep. That, and I need to find the duct tape mod for it. | 08:06 |
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| +snapcount | I'll have to try it out then... I've got surround sound and a sub now on my system | 08:06 |
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| PedersenMJ | Oh crap... I can't imagine what that would do to me with lights out. And I didn't even make it very far! | 08:08 |
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| +snapcount | you're getting me all excited =D | 08:08 |
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| PedersenMJ | http://ducttape.glenmurphy.com/ | 08:08 |
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| PedersenMJ | Trust me, you *want* the duct tape mod. Trying to switch between flashlight and shotgun is *very* difficult to do when having the living crap beat (or shot!) out of you. | 08:09 |
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| PedersenMJ | BTW, the demo I downloaded was 465 megs (the freaking !demo!) | 08:10 |
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| +Radix-wrk | that's pretty small in this day and age | 08:10 |
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| PedersenMJ | Really? Huh, guess I've been out of PC gaming for far too long then. I remember when 80 megs was huge. | 08:11 |
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| +Radix-wrk | supreme commander demo is 1.2GB, C&C 3 demo is 1.8GB, and that's getting almost average | 08:11 |
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| +Radix-wrk | http://www.fileplanet.com/top50.aspx?s=174&v=90001 | 08:12 |
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| PedersenMJ | Geez. Yep, I've been out of it. | 08:13 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Sorry.. got those mixed up.. supcom was 1GB, C&C 1.2, and something else was 1.8GB | 08:13 |
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| PedersenMJ | Well, for that, you get thirty lashes with a wet noodle. | 08:13 |
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| PedersenMJ | Administered by JT at his earliest leisure. | 08:13 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I got accepted into the LOTR online beta.. and the install for that was a whopping 3.5GB | 08:13 |
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| PedersenMJ | Someday, I'll be willing to do that. For now, though, I needed a game to play that was more action than stuff like minesweeper/etc. And I wasn't finding it anyplace else. The D3 demo was perfect for me :) | 08:15 |
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| +Radix-wrk | We had a customer complain recently about the size of our new installers for our software here - 64MB | 08:15 |
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| +Radix-wrk | generated a lot of in-house discussion on it all.. I did a bit of research to show that it's actually pretty small in this day and age | 08:16 |
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| PedersenMJ | Meh. If it fits on a CD, I'm okay with it as an installer. And 64MB? That's not too much. Especially when you consider that that is a whole program. | 08:17 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Half-Life episode one has some freaky bits with flashlights btw | 08:17 |
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| +Radix-wrk | there's a couple of spots in that where you get rushed by a heap of creeps in a building underground, and your flashlight batteries never last long enough.. | 08:18 |
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| PedersenMJ | I'd love to play Half-Life. But have heard too many complaints with Steam. And really dislike the fact that if my net connect goes down, I lose ability to play the game. | 08:18 |
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| PedersenMJ | Unless things have changed in a big way, HL2+ is out for me. | 08:19 |
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| +Radix-wrk | pfft.. you can still play offline :P | 08:19 |
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| PedersenMJ | I *thought* I heard that if the game can't connect to Steam, it won't start. Did I misunderstand? | 08:19 |
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| +Radix-wrk | there is a steam offline mode for games | 08:20 |
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| PedersenMJ | Okay, things have improved. That's good. | 08:21 |
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| +Radix-wrk | You do need to be ONLINE to select that mode. | 08:21 |
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| +Radix-wrk | that's the big fubar really.. you essentially download your license and lock it when you do so - so you need access to the steam servers to get your license. | 08:22 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Once you've done so, you're fine though | 08:22 |
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| * PedersenMJ shakes his head. That's far enough for me. Valve may have the greatest game ever made. But I very much doubt I'll be willing to put up with Steam. | 08:22 |
| +Radix-wrk | Steam rocks if you're online though. | 08:23 |
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| +Radix-wrk | It makes updates very simple | 08:23 |
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| +Radix-wrk | You can install it on another machine and download the whole game easily | 08:23 |
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| +Radix-wrk | it means licenses for games are dictated by your steam username/pass rather than machines, etc. | 08:24 |
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| PedersenMJ | Most times, I am online, true. But, as I've just been reminded by another program I use: When it's not available, and I need it then, I'm going to be pissed off. I'll just avoid the pissed off part. | 08:24 |
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| +Radix-wrk | it never bothered me | 08:26 |
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| PedersenMJ | It would me, sooner or later. It's why I left Windows behind. It's why I'm pondering writing up a GPL'ed CacheMate replacement right now, since I don't have the source, and can't fix my problem because of it (and yes, I could, and would, fix it otherwise). | 08:27 |
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| PedersenMJ | Anyway, heading to bed now. Good <insert time of day here>, all! | 08:37 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning! | 15:38 |
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| AMH_bob | Eh, goodmorning back to you! | 16:10 |
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| SDuensin | Hey AMH_bob | 16:10 |
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| AMH_bob | All is well I hope? | 16:10 |
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| AMH_bob | (btp it's 3 pm here) | 16:10 |
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| SDuensin | Well enough. I won't really know until I get through my coffee. :-) | 16:10 |
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| AMH_bob | Enjoy! | 16:11 |
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| SDuensin | Hehe | 16:11 |
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| @rizen | As I was going to St. Ives, | 18:00 |
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| @rizen | I met a man with seven wives, | 18:00 |
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| @rizen | Every wife had seven sacks, | 18:00 |
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| @rizen | Every sack had seven cats, | 18:00 |
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| @rizen | Every cat had seven kits - | 18:00 |
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| @rizen | Kits, cats, sacks, and wives, | 18:00 |
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| @rizen | How many were going to St. Ives? | 18:00 |
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| @vayde | 1 | 18:01 |
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| SDuensin | :-) | 18:02 |
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| @vayde | there once was a man from nantucket, | 18:03 |
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| @vayde | ... nevermind | 18:03 |
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| @rizen | you win, and the prize is.............drum roll..........a swift kick in the nuts | 18:03 |
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| AMH_bob | Bruce Willis fans I asume? | 18:03 |
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| @vayde | I always win the cool prizes | 18:04 |
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| AMH_bob | Have a nice day (it's 5 pm here and I'm leaving for home) | 18:05 |
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| AMH_bob | bye! | 18:05 |
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| @rizen | bye bob | 18:10 |
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| @rizen | crap...didn't get him before he left | 18:10 |
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| SDuensin | Too slow, chicken marengo! | 18:10 |
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| @rizen | don't make me come over there sd | 18:10 |
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| @rizen | i might be forced to give vaydes prize to you | 18:11 |
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| SDuensin | I'm not scared of you! I've seen your code! :-P | 18:11 |
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| @rizen | what's that supposed to mean? | 18:11 |
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| * SDuensin is in a goofy mood. Too much coffee or something. | 18:11 |
| @rizen | i vote to kickban SD for 3 minutes | 18:11 |
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| @rizen | all in favor, say aye | 18:12 |
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| @rizen | the ayes have it | 18:12 |
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| SDuensin | You should be nice to me. I'm your biggest fan. :-) | 18:12 |
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| @rizen | You are? | 18:12 |
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| @vayde | the eyes are above the nose | 18:12 |
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| SDuensin | I am! | 18:12 |
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| SDuensin | Just ask me! | 18:12 |
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| @rizen | i was not aware that it was possible to have fans in the software industry | 18:12 |
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| @rizen | i thought that was reserved for sports and moviestars | 18:13 |
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| @rizen | oh, and rockstars | 18:13 |
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| SDuensin | Na. They're all deadbeats. | 18:13 |
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| SDuensin | I'm (still) gearing up to really push WebGUI as the ultimate web solution. | 18:15 |
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| @rizen | and then you'll convert ZKdesktop to be a webgui addon? | 18:16 |
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| SDuensin | Sure, if you help me work out the integration. | 18:17 |
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| SDuensin | I'm still having problems seeing how the two really fit together. :-( | 18:17 |
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| @rizen | someday we'll have to schedule a phone call or something | 18:20 |
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| @rizen | and i can explain it to you | 18:20 |
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| SDuensin | That'd be cool. Anything I can do to help WebGUI rule the world. | 18:20 |
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| SDuensin | I really wish I could have stuck with WebGUI during the 6.xx days. It's nice to be back. | 18:21 |
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| @rizen | i understand why you and some other people didn't though | 18:21 |
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| @rizen | 6.x was rough | 18:21 |
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| @rizen | that's part of why we're spending so much time stabilizing 7 | 18:22 |
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| @rizen | we want people to have a very good and easy time with webgui | 18:22 |
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| SDuensin | Wasn't so much issues with 6.xx as much as it was finding a place to host it. | 18:22 |
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| @rizen | ah | 18:23 |
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| @rizen | true enough. webgui can't be hosted by mortal hosting companies | 18:23 |
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| SDuensin | :-) | 18:24 |
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| SDuensin | I think I finally have a solution that 1) I can afford, 2) Runs WebGUI, and 3) Runs my other odd stuff. Now it's time to push it and make some money! | 18:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | Hmmm... I'm busy today, but saw this and thought MrHairGrease would enjoy it. | 19:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2007/04/real_xeyes.html | 19:17 |
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| ckotil | haha | 19:27 |
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| ckotil | anyone know which assets have the reverse sort option? | 22:06 |
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| @rizen | only cs as far as i know | 22:07 |
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| ckotil | ok. | 22:08 |
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| ckotil | thx | 22:08 |
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| xdanger | O how nice.... I forgot my ibook's charger at home... went to my parents for a long weekend.. | 22:09 |
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| @rizen | crap | 22:09 |
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| @rizen | is there an apple store nearby? | 22:09 |
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| xdanger | no.. | 22:17 |
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| xdanger | It's a very small town.. about 7k residents.. | 22:17 |
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| xdanger | I was going to work tommorow, but that's kinda hard with out my computes,ssh-keys,documents etc... | 22:18 |
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| ckotil | hrm the sorting done by the cs, isnt what i had in mind. | 22:21 |
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| xdanger | tomorrow even.. | 22:21 |
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| ckotil | i swore i saw an asset that had a radio button you could put to yes or no to reverse sort. | 22:21 |
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| ckotil | maybe i was dreaming. | 22:21 |
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| @rizen | folder has one for sorting alphabetically | 23:02 |
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| @rizen | but not reverse | 23:02 |
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| ckotil | yah. | 23:10 |
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| cap10morgan | Does the "Encrypt content" setting give up trying to redirect to https:// after a few tries and just show the page unencrypted? | 23:26 |
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| cap10morgan | actually, it doesn't seem to be doing anything at all? was the Encrypt content setting disabled for sites running in the WRE? | 23:52 |
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| @rizen | encrypt content forces the url in the nav | 23:57 |
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| @rizen | to use https | 23:57 |
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| @rizen | but that's all it does | 23:57 |
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| @preaction | does anyone know of a problem with instances of isSerial workflows? i think i found a bug | 00:46 |
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| @rizen | what's the problem | 00:46 |
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| @preaction | lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm line 276 -- it looks to be trying to find the workflowId instead of the instanceId to find if this is the oldest instance of the instance (the one that should be run) | 00:47 |
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| @preaction | at least, i keep trying to run an instance of an isSerial workflow from the admin console, and no matter what it returns "waiting" because of that line | 00:48 |
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| @rizen | yeah, it should only run the oldest instance of a given workflow type | 00:49 |
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| @rizen | looking at code | 00:49 |
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| @preaction | so it should get the instanceId of the oldest one, and only run if that matches the current instance | 00:49 |
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| @rizen | correct | 00:50 |
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| @rizen | that query probably should have a "limit 1" | 00:50 |
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| @rizen | attached to the end of it | 00:50 |
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| @rizen | but other than that, it looks good | 00:50 |
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| @rizen | don't try to check anything in right now though, i'm reorging the svn repo | 00:51 |
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| @preaction | k | 00:51 |
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| @preaction | select instanceId from WorkflowInstance where workflowId=? order by runningSince <- that's my new query | 00:51 |
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| @rizen | oh wait | 00:52 |
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| @rizen | i see what you're saying | 00:52 |
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| @rizen | yeah, the code is screwed up | 00:52 |
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| @rizen | cuz the if | 00:53 |
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| @rizen | should also use $self->getId | 00:53 |
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| @preaction | yeah, that too | 00:53 |
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| @rizen | rather than $workflow->getId | 00:53 |
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| @rizen | i'll have the repo fixed in a few minutes | 00:53 |
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| @preaction | k | 00:53 |
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| @rizen | but you'll need to check out from svn again before you can commit | 00:53 |
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| @rizen | because the pathing is going to be different | 00:53 |
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| @preaction | ok, np | 00:57 |
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| @preaction | along with the subversion hosting, is webgui.org going to provide other forge-like things? bug forums, project management, site hosting perhaps? | 02:23 |
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| @rizen | maybe...one step at a time | 02:27 |
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| @rizen | i would like to get to that point eventually | 02:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | uhm, so what's the new URL for doing a svn checkout? | 02:35 |
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| @preaction | svn co https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI <- iirc | 02:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | thanks, preaction! | 02:36 |
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| @preaction | before we get to those other forge-like things, i think the project manager should get some new features (like built-in bug tracking, version/milestones tracking, and other things like launchpad.net has) | 02:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | how 'bout we just fix all the bugs first? | 02:42 |
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| @preaction | you... trying to keep us focused and on-track... | 02:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes... | 02:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I have a whole slew of RFEs to check in ;) | 02:43 |
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| @preaction | as in new code? word | 02:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | there is a tertiary reason | 02:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | I read this today | 02:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/04/yahoo_open_sour_1.html | 02:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | Here's my favorite quote from it: | 02:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | "Therefore, CMSs are moving toward competing not on features, but | 02:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | >on ease of use, aesthetics, support, and other dimensions [this is | 02:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | >classic Clay Christensen innovation curve stuff -- as all products | 02:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | >begin to meet customers basic needs, they must compete on other | 02:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | >dimensions of performance]" | 02:44 |
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| SDuensin | YES! I think I finally have all my Apaches playing nicely together! | 03:43 |
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| * PedersenMJ wavies. | 05:10 |
| SDuensin | hey PedersenMJ | 05:10 |
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| PedersenMJ | How's it going? | 05:10 |
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| SDuensin | Making good progress tonight! Still killing WebGUI, but I think I know why. | 05:10 |
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| SDuensin | Pretty sure in my database my site name is "www.duensing.com" and in DNS it's "new.duensing.com". Breaks mod_proxy when it tries to go to the wrong IP. | 05:11 |
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| PedersenMJ | Poor WG. Getting killed, resurrected, and killed again, for no good reason. Poor little wg. | 05:12 |
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| SDuensin | It needs to toughen up! Quit being such a wimp! | 05:12 |
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| SDuensin | :-) | 05:12 |
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| SDuensin | I've been working on my host all evening. I think I finally have all three instances of Apache playing nicely together with the management software they use. | 05:12 |
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| PedersenMJ | Gah. You sound like my sister. And no, that is *not* a compliment. | 05:13 |
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| SDuensin | :-P | 05:13 |
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| PedersenMJ | My sister, btw, is a teacher. Elementary Ed. And her response to the kids who get picked on? They need to learn to stand up for themselves. So she won't do anything to intervene. | 05:14 |
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| SDuensin | This dual modperl/modproxy setup is going to kill me. | 05:14 |
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| PedersenMJ | I never did that setup myself. Mine is a single Apache instance. | 05:15 |
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| SDuensin | They recommend the WRE, I run the WRE. :-) | 05:15 |
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| SDuensin | Ok, damn. Something else is causing the problem. The database says "new.duensing.com" just like it should. | 05:16 |
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| PedersenMJ | I'll run the WRE for one reason only: Its easier. I had need of something in particular (damned if I can remember what it was, though), which precluded my using the WRE, so I made it work by hand. | 05:16 |
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| SDuensin | So any idea why one of my three sites does this? | 05:17 |
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| SDuensin | Bad Gateway | 05:17 |
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| SDuensin | The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. | 05:17 |
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| SDuensin | The other two work. | 05:17 |
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| PedersenMJ | Maybe it just doesn't like the brand of computer it's runing on? | 05:17 |
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| SDuensin | Worked before I backed it up and restored it. | 05:19 |
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| PedersenMJ | Seriously, I'd check the upstream, wherever that might be. Sounds like it doesn't know how to respond to the request it's being given (specifically, check the error.log there). | 05:20 |
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| SDuensin | The log has the IP for "www" in it, not "new". | 05:21 |
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| PedersenMJ | Does the upstream know about www though? | 05:22 |
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| SDuensin | The other odd thing is that when it fails, Apache dies! | 05:23 |
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| PedersenMJ | Ewww. | 05:23 |
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| SDuensin | Log says: | 05:24 |
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| SDuensin | [Thu Apr 12 22:19:58 2007] [error] (111)Connection refused: proxy: HTTP: attempt to connect to 64.91.249.237:82 (new.duensing.com) failed | 05:24 |
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| SDuensin | [Thu Apr 12 22:20:03 2007] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down | 05:24 |
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| SDuensin | 64.91.249.237 isn't new.duensing.com. It's www.duensing.com. | 05:25 |
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| SDuensin | Ok, so DNS is screwed up. Hmm. | 05:26 |
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| PedersenMJ | Check that server, and see what it says for which name gets which ip address? Most reliable method is usually to ping. | 05:27 |
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| SDuensin | Yea. that server is wrong. | 05:27 |
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| PedersenMJ | Check /etc/hosts then? | 05:28 |
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| SDuensin | Yea. I gotta find it in the control panel so things stay in sync. | 05:29 |
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| SDuensin | I've already trashed this server once. Don't want to ask them to install it again. :-) | 05:30 |
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| PedersenMJ | Ah, but trashing the server is fun! :) | 05:30 |
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| SDuensin | Can I flush my DNS cache on Linux? | 05:36 |
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| PedersenMJ | I've never had to try, honestly. I don't know how. | 05:37 |
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| SDuensin | Same here. :-) | 05:37 |
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| SDuensin | OS X is "lookupd -flushcache" | 05:37 |
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| PedersenMJ | The only suggestion I would have would be to verify that nslookup gives you the right results, and then restart Apache. | 05:37 |
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| SDuensin | Ok, now the dumb control panel says Apache is down. ps says otherwise. | 05:37 |
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| PedersenMJ | Well, the control panel could be a bit behind the times. Or maybe it's watching for when Apache is actually accepting connections. | 05:40 |
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| SDuensin | OpenDNS knows who I am. | 05:42 |
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| SDuensin | Screw it. "reboot" fixes things. | 05:46 |
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| PedersenMJ | Usually. Unless it's Windows, in which case it only probably does :) | 05:46 |
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| SDuensin | It's a VM with CentOS4 in it. | 05:47 |
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| PedersenMJ | So, where you parking that, and how much is it costing you? | 05:48 |
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| SDuensin | LiquidWeb. $100 a month. | 05:48 |
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| SDuensin | I had the $60 package, but it ran out of RAM as soon as I started WebGUI. | 05:48 |
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| PedersenMJ | Dang. Too much for me. I pay $100/month for business class. Drawback: I'm responsible for my own servers. Advantage: I'm responsible for my own servers :) | 05:49 |
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| SDuensin | Kinda the same here. It's my box. I'm root. I just don't have to maintain it. And they have far more bandwidth than I could ever hope to have. | 05:50 |
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| PedersenMJ | True, but I'm saving the broadband bill, basically. I pay $100/month for my broadband, *and* for ability to host my own servers. To me, it's worth it. | 05:52 |
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| SDuensin | I can't get enough bandwidth where I'm at to be a decent host. | 05:54 |
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| PedersenMJ | Ah, I worry about that myself. So, I just make sure I'm too boring to slashdot or digg :) | 05:55 |
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| SDuensin | Gotta run - night bud. | 06:08 |
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| PedersenMJ | g'night, cya l8r | 06:10 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning. | 15:47 |
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| AMH_bob | Good morning! | 15:48 |
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| SDuensin | Hey AMH_bob. | 15:48 |
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| AMH_bob | I was about to get really sad about my WebGUI progress.... | 15:48 |
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| AMH_bob | but, a small progress has been made and it's looking good again | 15:49 |
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| AMH_bob | How was your coffee this morning? | 15:49 |
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| SDuensin | Making tea today. Working from home. :-) | 15:51 |
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| SDuensin | My WebGUI progress has been mixed lately as well. Dang WRE keeps blowing up on me. | 15:52 |
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| AMH_bob | Haha, I have not had that problem; somebody else made some virtual machines we can work on. | 15:53 |
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| AMH_bob | I'm just doing development | 15:53 |
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| SDuensin | I'd like to get far enough to do development. :-/ | 15:53 |
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| AMH_bob | :P Wait until someone trough's you in without documentation and makes you do it :P | 15:54 |
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| AMH_bob | But it's a lot of fun when things start working right! | 15:55 |
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| AMH_bob | (Thank god for those beautiful moments when it works right!) | 15:55 |
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| SDuensin | I'm waiting for that moment. Maybe later today. | 15:56 |
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| AMH_bob | Now I'm gonna start on the i18n stuff - that has to be done too. I'll catch ya later! | 15:57 |
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| SDuensin | See ya! | 15:58 |
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| @rizen | AMH_bob: how's the project progressing overall? | 16:35 |
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| SDuensin | Morning, rizen. | 16:35 |
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| @rizen | howdy | 16:36 |
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| SDuensin | Ever have Apache run out of semaphore-arrays? | 16:36 |
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| @rizen | yup | 16:36 |
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| SDuensin | What'd I do wrong to cause it? | 16:36 |
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| AMH_bob | Hi rizen, We're making progress | 16:36 |
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| @rizen | generally speaking you only run out of semaphores if your apache processes are being killed or are crashing | 16:37 |
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| AMH_bob | AMH_mari has made a perl template converter to convert our existing templates | 16:37 |
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| SDuensin | Crashing would cover it. :-/ | 16:38 |
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| AMH_bob | our Designer is getting into making new templates | 16:38 |
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| @rizen | you should know that the restart command in wremonitor cleans up semaphores | 16:38 |
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| AMH_bob | I'm working on template selection | 16:38 |
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| SDuensin | The WRE mod_proxy server keeps blowing up for some odd reason. | 16:38 |
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| @rizen | so you could use that if you need to | 16:38 |
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| SDuensin | That's helpful to know. | 16:38 |
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| @rizen | AMH_bob. glad to hear it | 16:38 |
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| @rizen | that's cool that your templates were standard enough | 16:39 |
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| @rizen | that you could use a perl script to convert them | 16:39 |
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| AMH_bob | We're running on Virtual Machines for development; | 16:39 |
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| @rizen | like VMWare? | 16:39 |
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| AMH_bob | our WebGUI server still has to be optimized, but thats not a priority yet | 16:39 |
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| AMH_bob | yep VMWare machines running fedora core 6 | 16:40 |
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| @rizen | sweet | 16:40 |
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| @rizen | i use a VMWare serverfarm for WRE development and builds | 16:40 |
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| AMH_bob | yep, we're rolling along just nicely | 16:40 |
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| @rizen | it's just easier to work on lots of os's | 16:40 |
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| @rizen | but i can imagine that it would also be good for creating contained dev environments | 16:41 |
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| AMH_bob | cool, they sure save a lot of time configuring - you just get out a copy or backup and your up in no time! | 16:41 |
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| @rizen | each of our employee's gets high end laptops so they can run their own environment right on their local machine | 16:41 |
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| @rizen | true enough | 16:42 |
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| AMH_bob | I'm acutually running a fedora workstation in a VM machine and WebGUI in another, on the same machine | 16:43 |
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| AMH_bob | (I'm really happy I have a high end laptop too) | 16:43 |
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| @rizen | some of our devs do that too. our laptops are all mac, but some of our devs prefer to do their dev work on ubuntu or RHEL so they use parallels for that | 16:44 |
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| SDuensin | MACK! | 16:44 |
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| * SDuensin cheers! | 16:44 |
| @rizen | SD, are you a mac user? | 16:44 |
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| AMH_bob | My home machine is a Mac and my test laptop is an Ubuntu machine | 16:44 |
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| SDuensin | On a MacBook Pro right now. :-) | 16:44 |
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| AMH_bob | Mac rocks! | 16:45 |
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| @rizen | AMH_bob, what platform will you deploy on? | 16:45 |
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| AMH_bob | probably Fedora Core 6 | 16:46 |
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| AMH_bob | About the wiki on the site... it seems a bit unorganized... | 16:47 |
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| @rizen | i'm afraid i can't allow you to use FC6 | 16:47 |
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| AMH_bob | eh? | 16:47 |
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| @rizen | just kidding | 16:47 |
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| @rizen | =) | 16:47 |
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| AMH_bob | :sigh: | 16:47 |
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| @rizen | don't you think that wiki's in general a disorganized? | 16:48 |
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| ckotil | media wiki is organized as long as the content manager knows what they are doing | 16:49 |
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| ckotil | thats my stab at the wiki asset. | 16:49 |
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| SDuensin | Hey ckotil | 16:50 |
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| AMH_bob | not necessarily, just chuck a general structured table of contents on the front and let people fill in the blanks. | 16:50 |
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| ckotil | hello | 16:50 |
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| AMH_bob | a moderator can keep an eye on the toc | 16:50 |
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| @rizen | there's no reason someone can't create a TOC | 16:50 |
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| @rizen | just no one has | 16:50 |
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| @rizen | if they did I'd link to it from the front page | 16:51 |
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| AMH_bob | :D | 16:52 |
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| AMH_bob | I'll have a go at it to night... | 16:52 |
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| AMH_bob | although I don't have enough rights for it | 16:53 |
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| AMH_bob | could you bump me up? | 16:53 |
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| AMH_bob | webgui user: rbroen | 16:53 |
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| AMH_bob | never mind, the toc is there, but not the first page from the menu | 16:55 |
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| AMH_bob | that's kinda odd - isn't it? | 16:55 |
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| AMH_bob | Boy, that took 10 weeks more to find than you would expect! | 16:56 |
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| ckotil | url? | 16:56 |
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| AMH_bob | http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/webgui-installation-table-of-contents | 16:57 |
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| @rizen | that's just for that one section though | 16:57 |
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| ckotil | ah. | 16:57 |
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| @rizen | that's the TOC for installation | 16:57 |
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| @rizen | AMH_bob...you don't need any special privs to add a page to the wiki | 16:57 |
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| AMH_bob | ok, so back on topic.... a toc for the wiki | 16:58 |
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| @rizen | just search for the page you're looking for, and if you don't find it, you'll be prompted to add it | 16:58 |
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| AMH_bob | Ok, I'll try and start a gereral TOC tonight (tonight starts in 4 hours over here...) | 16:59 |
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| @rizen | ok | 16:59 |
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| @rizen | well i gotta go peeps | 17:00 |
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| @rizen | nice talking with you AMH_bob | 17:00 |
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| @rizen | and yes, the rest of you are chopped liver | 17:00 |
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| SDuensin | :-P | 17:00 |
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| AMH_bob | :P Have a good one! | 17:00 |
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| AMH_bob | bye | 17:00 |
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| * SDuensin is reinstalling the WRE *again*. | 17:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | does anyone know if it's possible to use a mysql 4.1 client | 17:08 |
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| +MrHairgrease | to talk to a mysql 5 server? | 17:08 |
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| SDuensin | Maybe. Probably need to use old passwords on the server. | 17:08 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ie. complie dbd::mysql against that client | 17:09 |
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| +MrHairgrease | using its mysql_config that is | 17:09 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the old pw stuff is mysql 3- problem | 17:09 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Is anybody already using the xeyes macro | 17:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | we've installed it on our corporate intranet | 17:37 |
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| SDuensin | hehehe | 17:38 |
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| +MrHairgrease | rizedn | 18:13 |
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| +MrHairgrease | rizen | 18:13 |
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| +MrHairgrease | do you have any idea what's wrong if a site you've just transfered to another apache just shows a blank screen? | 18:14 |
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| +MrHairgrease | nothing in the logs | 18:14 |
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| +MrHairgrease | just one entry in the acces log | 18:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | ckotil: try assetData.title DESC | 19:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | eh, I mean "assetData.title DESC" | 19:27 |
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| ckotil | OK | 19:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | and if DESC doesn't work, invert it. I'm forever forgetting what the default is | 19:37 |
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| ckotil | works perfectly | 19:39 |
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| ckotil | thank you. | 19:40 |
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| ckotil | this litle hack will be fine until my rfe gets enough karma | 19:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | has your RFE been rated? | 19:40 |
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| ckotil | http://globalnoc.iu.edu/nlr/support/weekly-reporting/l1--weekly-reports.html | 19:40 |
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| ckotil | not sure. | 19:40 |
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| ckotil | i need this functionality for that page | 19:40 |
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| ckotil | my service desk uplaods weekly reports, and they dread manually changing the rank | 19:41 |
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| ckotil | lamerz. | 19:41 |
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| ckotil | buncha lamerz.* | 19:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, here's the story | 19:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | rated RFEs are approved to be added | 19:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | the highest ranked RFE gets built by Plain Black | 19:42 |
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| ckotil | ok, it has been rated. | 19:42 |
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| ckotil | a good rating too. seems 1:1 | 19:42 |
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| ckotil | or however that works | 19:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | but any approved RFE can be added to wG by someone with commit access | 19:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | like me, or MrHairGrease, etc. | 19:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | if you got a 1:1 rating, that's awesome | 19:43 |
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| ckotil | ;] | 19:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | attach the patch to the RFE and I'll talk to JT about adding it in for 7.4 | 19:44 |
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| ckotil | eh, its going to take a lot more than simply appending DESC to the table column, it will need a select box and all that jazz in the display tab | 19:45 |
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| ckotil | beyond my skills | 19:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | no way | 19:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | here's how to add the select box | 19:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | find sub definition in Folder.pm | 19:45 |
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| ckotil | heh, ok ok. ill give it a shot | 19:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | figure out which tab it goes in (Display) | 19:46 |
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| ckotil | and i see how to check to see if the box is selected or not. | 19:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | right. | 19:46 |
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| ckotil | if ($self->get("sortAlphabetically")); so if i name the box reverseSort, i would get("reverseSort")); | 19:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:46 |
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| ckotil | can i have multiple %rules then? | 19:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | sure | 19:47 |
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| ckotil | ok good deal | 19:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | also, if you want to go nuts, you could add multiple sort criteria | 19:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | dateUpdated | 19:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | dateCommitted | 19:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | title | 19:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | or the default, which is lineage (order added) | 19:47 |
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| ckotil | yah, thats how it works in the cs asset | 19:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah, then you could copy it wholesale! | 19:47 |
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| ckotil | heh | 19:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | once you get the API, you can build incredible things really quickly | 19:48 |
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| cap10morgan | what's the best way to determine which asset revision is the current one (in a sql report)? | 19:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | assetData.revisionDate=(SELECT max(revisionDate) from assetData where assetData.assetId=asset.assetId) | 19:49 |
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| cap10morgan | perlDreamer: yuck, subqueries. ;) ok, thanks, i'll try that. | 19:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan: if you can figure out a different way to do it, then you'll be our new wG hero. | 19:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | no one likes the subqueries | 19:50 |
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| cap10morgan | perlDreamer: haha | 19:50 |
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| cap10morgan | i'm spending my time on that AssetReport asset instead | 19:50 |
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| cap10morgan | i hate sql reports on the webgui database | 19:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | they're not fun, that's for sure | 19:51 |
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| cap10morgan | really, subqueries would be sweet if mysql lifted even a pinky to do basic optimization of them | 19:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | you aren't a postgresql evangelist, are you? | 19:55 |
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| cap10morgan | it seems to treat them all as dependent subqueries, when really it should just be running the majority of them once, storing the result in a static list somewhere, and then running a regular query using that list | 19:56 |
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| cap10morgan | but it doesn't... | 19:56 |
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| cap10morgan | perlDreamer: never used it :) | 20:03 |
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| cap10morgan | I use and like MySQL, I just have some pet peeves w/ it. | 20:03 |
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| cap10morgan | On a totally unrelated topic: Do the collab systems in v.7 no longer have a notion of a moderator? | 20:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think they do... Maybe it's more of a commit workflow, though | 20:05 |
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| cap10morgan | well, the thing i really need is for a group to be allowed to edit any post | 20:06 |
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| cap10morgan | but not the CS asset itself | 20:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | It can be done. | 20:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | That's how JT set me up to close bugs on the PB bug board. | 20:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | but I don't know how to do it | 20:07 |
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| cap10morgan | perlDreamer: ok, i'll keep digging. thanks! | 20:08 |
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| ckotil | pd: got it. it was pretty easy to add the select box. now i need to add the right i8ln stuff | 20:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | i18n is pretty easy too | 20:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's just a hash | 20:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | there's also a test to make sure the i18n is set up correctly, if you have problems with it | 20:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | and the last step will be to add it to the Help | 20:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | and of course, the real question is "Who will make the 4000th commit to WebGUI?" | 20:28 |
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| ckotil | i just copied and pasted around in the Folder i18n file | 20:49 |
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| ckotil | works fine. | 20:49 |
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| ckotil | now that i have this working, im going back to try to have a drop down box | 20:49 |
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| ckotil | ripping it from the cs asset, but its giving me this error about not being able to find object getContentLastModified | 20:49 |
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| ckotil | im gonna check to see what that is exactly | 20:50 |
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| ckotil | well i was unable to straight rip off the drop down box from the cs assets properties hash | 20:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | that error is usually a perl syntax error | 21:01 |
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| ckotil | =] got the drop down | 21:13 |
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| ckotil | ill post both versions to the rfe | 21:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | You're turning into a monster, ckotil | 00:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | evening, SDuensin | 05:20 |
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| SDuensin | Hello perlDreamer | 05:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | I spent all day writing API tests for the Assets. | 05:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | Found 4 bugs | 05:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | make that 5 bugs | 05:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | this last bug is kind of out there | 05:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | there's about a 1 in 1 million chance of hitting it | 05:35 |
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| SDuensin | Rock on. | 05:47 |
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| GlennL | Hi folks - I'm new to this channel (actually I'm new to IRC) | 11:27 |
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| pjesi | hi GlennL | 11:30 |
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| GlennL | Hi there - sorry my IRC client didn't ring when you answered | 12:00 |
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| GlennL | I'm using Miranda | 12:00 |
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| GlennL | Sorry I have to go now - I hope to be back again soon | 12:04 |
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| pjesi | :-) | 12:12 |
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| wgGuest09 | I have never posted on an IRC so may be totally out of order, but may I ask a question about webgui? | 20:28 |
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| Radix__ | Sure.. ask away.. just make sure you stick around for an answer :) | 20:30 |
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| Radix__ | we're all on different time zones on here.. so there's usually someone around, but you may need to wait a while for someone who can actually answer it! | 20:30 |
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| wgGuest09 | I hope it is simple. I understand a folder and page layout but what is dashboard? | 20:31 |
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| Radix__ | Hmm.. a dashboard is a sort of dynamic object that can contain many other objects | 20:32 |
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| pjesi | I have never used it nor understood it | 20:32 |
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| Radix__ | It's used for portals generally | 20:33 |
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| Radix__ | imagine it as a customisable page | 20:33 |
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| Radix__ | you can add shortcuts to other assets to a dashboard and the user can then select from those assets for their own page | 20:33 |
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| Radix__ | We use it at our company for a front page, the user can select different articles and links based on their job roles | 20:34 |
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| pjesi | on the intranet? | 20:34 |
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| Radix__ | one user might have one customised layout, another user might have a totally different oe | 20:34 |
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| Radix__ | one | 20:34 |
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| Radix__ | yeah | 20:34 |
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| Radix__ | it's a tricky one to explain really | 20:35 |
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| wgGuest09 | gotcha, so i could run a website using webgui and never use a dashboard asset. | 20:35 |
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| Radix__ | sure, most people don't ;) | 20:35 |
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| pjesi | yes | 20:35 |
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| Radix__ | I didn't understand it myself until I had it shown to me at the WUC | 20:35 |
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| wgGuest09 | thanks very much. i need to learn how to register and use this irc i guess. | 20:36 |
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| Radix__ | grab an irc client, and jump on freenode #webgui :) | 20:36 |
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| Radix__ | I use xchat myself, but ymmv | 20:36 |
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| pjesi | konversation here :) | 20:36 |
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| pjesi | and irssi | 20:36 |
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| Radix__ | yup.. there's many options for irc these days ;) | 20:37 |
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| pjesi | true | 20:37 |
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| pjesi | most of my friends think that mIRC and IRC is the same, just like IE and WWW :-) | 20:38 |
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| Radix__ | You're welcome to ask as many questions about stuff on irc.. only request we make is that if we help you understand something better in Webgui then write a wiki article to help others :) | 20:38 |
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| Radix__ | pjesi: yeah, hate that personally.. which is why I use firefox and xchat ;) | 20:39 |
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| +Radix_ | Anyway.. my job here is done.. time to head off to bed.. nite ;) | 20:41 |
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| pjesi | nite | 20:42 |
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| pjesi | still sunny over here :) | 20:42 |
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| nuba | 'night | 20:43 |
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| wgGuest09 | thanks again and nie radix | 20:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | An early OSCON schedule has been published | 03:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, vayde, you guys available for a core API talk? | 05:51 |
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| @preaction | playing DDR, can't | 05:51 |
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| @vayde | not right now. rebuilding my system Ubuntu Feisty | 05:52 |
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| @vayde | preaction, btw skype runs perfect under feisty | 05:52 |
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| @preaction | about damn time | 05:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, I admire your priorities. Doing important stuff instead of goofing off like me. | 05:52 |
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| SDuensin | Hey gang. | 05:54 |
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| @vayde | Hey, either I have to make this box work for everything, or JT is gonna make me use a mac | 05:54 |
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| SDuensin | MACK! YEA! | 05:54 |
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| @preaction | you're already going to be made to use a mac | 05:54 |
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| @vayde | bleck | 05:54 |
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| @vayde | We hates it to pieces | 05:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's better than WIndows... | 05:54 |
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| @preaction | there's a reason I don't have ubuntu on this thing | 05:55 |
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| @vayde | that's not saying much | 05:55 |
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| @preaction | because iirc Fiesty supports intel macs 100% | 05:55 |
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| @preaction | i almost got edgy to work completely | 05:55 |
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| @vayde | I hope Feisty goes well for you. | 05:56 |
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| @vayde | I'm not gonna use that 'thing' if I don't have to. It's sluggish and unresponsive compared with my Ubuntu | 05:56 |
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| SDuensin | Anybody ever have their WRE die for no good reason? I keep getting "[notice] SIGTERM received" and Apache dies. | 05:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | that could be Apache::SizeLimit kicking in | 05:57 |
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| SDuensin | Oh? | 05:57 |
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| SDuensin | Teach me, Obi Wan. | 05:58 |
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| @vayde | He's more of a Qui-Gon | 05:58 |
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| SDuensin | hehe | 05:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | Apache::SizeLimit is used to prevent your apache kids from leaking memory | 05:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | when they get too big, then they get reaped | 05:58 |
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| SDuensin | Yea, but *all* of them? | 05:58 |
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| SDuensin | Where is that setting? | 05:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't use the WRE, but it would be in httpd.conf | 05:59 |
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| SDuensin | k | 05:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | it should only kill one of them, AFAIK | 05:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlbot: Apache::SizeLimit? | 06:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlbot: help | 06:00 |
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| perlbot | (fact) : tell (who) about (what) : (what) > (who) : learn (what) as (info) : relearn (fact) as (info) : phone (phone #) : shorten (url) : shorten it : search (keyword) : cpan (module) : docs (module) : perldoc -f (function) : jargon (term) : math (expr): fortune : flip : host (type) (record) : rot13 (text) : roll (die) : tempconv (temp) : scramble (foo) : 8ball (question) : slap (who) : diss (who) : top/bottom (number) karma : geoip (ip) | 06:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlbot: cpan Apache::SizeLimit | 06:00 |
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| perlbot | Documentation for 'Apache::SizeLimit' can be found here: http://xrl.us/vri2 | 06:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | there you go, SDuensin | 06:00 |
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| SDuensin | Thanks. | 06:01 |
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| @vayde | Halleleuja! I have a mouse that does what I ask it to do again! | 06:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | I thought Ubuntu was supposed to be super easy to install? | 06:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | I was going to recommend it to my brother-in-law | 06:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | He's an exterminator | 06:05 |
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| @vayde | It is. I just had to load in my super cool ultra funky mouse settings | 06:05 |
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| @vayde | Now my trackpad responds with the reflexes of a ninja | 06:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | I see | 06:06 |
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| @vayde | Whaaa! | 06:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | You sound like you tried to use setRank to really set a rank | 06:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | and found out otherwise | 06:07 |
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| @vayde | 1440 pixels to the right in just a flick of the thumb | 06:07 |
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| SDuensin | My site still kills the server. :-/ | 06:13 |
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| SDuensin | When it dies, I see this in PS: | 06:14 |
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| SDuensin | /bin/bash /data/wre/sbin/rc.webgui restartweb | 06:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | does it happen at the same time each day/week? | 06:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | it looks like some script is doing it | 06:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | like log rotation | 06:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | check your cron logs | 06:16 |
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| SDuensin | No, it happens when I hit the site. | 06:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | every time you hit the site? | 06:20 |
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| SDuensin | Log rotation kills the server? | 06:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | it has to | 06:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | the server holds an file descriptor to the log file | 06:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | when it gets rotated, the server will write to a high offset instead of starting over at the beginning | 06:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | is there anything interesting in your other logfiles? | 06:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | /var/log/messages | 06:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | and whereever the WRE keeps the apache logs? | 06:22 |
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| SDuensin | Nope. | 06:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | weird | 06:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | which OS? | 06:23 |
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| SDuensin | My cron entries for WRE look like on the wiki. | 06:23 |
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| SDuensin | Centos4 | 06:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | you can't do better than that | 06:23 |
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| SDuensin | Can't do other than that either. :-) | 06:24 |
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| SDuensin | That's what my host uses. | 06:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | man | 06:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | I seem to be accumulating karma at an exponentially increasing rate | 06:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | I wonder if there's a karma bug? | 06:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | Those fly moves must be messing with your connection, preaction | 06:31 |
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| Hinrik | his connection craps out on him every time a fly moves? | 06:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | He's playing DDR | 06:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | Any big jump or stamp probably wiggles some loose wire and then his connection gets dropped. | 06:32 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning. | 15:47 |
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| ckotil | hello | 16:07 |
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| pjesi | hi | 16:07 |
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| * SDuensin caught SIGTERM | 16:15 |
| SDuensin | Bane of my existence. | 16:15 |
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| bopbop | good morning | 16:42 |
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| SDuensin | Hey bopbop | 16:47 |
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| bopbop | howdy | 16:47 |
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| AMH_bob | Good morning. | 16:47 |
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| SDuensin | Afternoon, AMH_bob. :-) | 16:48 |
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| AMH_bob | It's beautiful weather outside, nice and warm. But when I see your name I immediately crave for a hot cup of coffee | 16:51 |
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| AMH_bob | Have you had your? | 16:51 |
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| SDuensin | hehehe | 16:52 |
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| SDuensin | Got it with me now. :-) | 16:52 |
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| AMH_bob | Just got mine too! :-P | 16:53 |
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| AMH_bob | Have a nice day at work! | 16:53 |
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| SDuensin | Wheeee | 16:55 |
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| cap10morgan | Is there such a thing as regional WebGUI user groups? | 21:17 |
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| cap10morgan | I'd love to try and start a Denver, CO, USA one... :) | 21:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: you better op Haaarg so that he can boot people when they get unruly | 23:07 |
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| pjesi | what is unruly? | 23:15 |
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| Hinrik | you are | 23:16 |
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| xdanger | uu, tinymce works with the webkit nightly builds, and they seem to be stable too ;) | 23:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | you know, unruly | 23:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | Saying that WebGUI sucks, pestering people. being argumentative | 23:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | stuff like that | 23:23 |
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| pjesi | sounds like someone just arrived from 4chan | 23:23 |
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| pjesi | :) | 23:23 |
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| Hinrik | 4chan hates webgui? | 23:23 |
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| pjesi | srsly? | 23:24 |
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| pjesi | no Im just kidding | 23:24 |
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| Hinrik | I see | 23:24 |
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| pjesi | unruly just reminds me of 4chan | 23:24 |
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| Hinrik | hehe | 23:24 |
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| * vayde is being unruly, but his ninja skills prevent anyone from noticing | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | who said that? | 23:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | bummer about the Content manager's guide | 00:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | I hope y'all get the issues resolved quickly | 00:12 |
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| @vayde | Ahh So! I am no longer the FNG | 00:42 |
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| cap10morgan | We just deployed our first wG7 site!! | 01:09 |
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| cap10morgan | Let the new era begin! | 01:10 |
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| * cap10morgan breaks a bottle of champagne across WebGUI 7's bow | 01:10 |
| @preaction | woot! | 01:11 |
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| cap10morgan | using the config api, how do you add to an array that's in a hash? | 01:58 |
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| cap10morgan | (specifically the "None" array in the "workflowActivities" hash) | 01:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | would a paste of the original WebGUI.conf file help with that? | 02:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | actually, you should have a copy of that in WebGUI.conf.original | 02:07 |
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| cap10morgan | only if it shows how to do this w/ the API | 02:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh, you mean like via $session->config? | 02:15 |
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| cap10morgan | yes, exactly | 02:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | at that point, it's just perl data structures | 02:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | put a new key onto the hash, make the value an array ref | 02:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | there are examples in t/Session/Config.t | 02:16 |
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| cap10morgan | ok, cool, thanks | 02:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | one thing to keep in mind is that the API will overwrite your config file, so you may want to keep a backup of the original, just in case. | 02:18 |
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| cap10morgan | yep | 02:19 |
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| cap10morgan | ah, it didn't like that i was using the same array ref that i just got from the config object | 02:21 |
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| cap10morgan | a little copy to a local array, and voila | 02:21 |
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| cap10morgan | :) | 02:21 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Morning all | 04:19 |
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| SDuensin | Hi Radix-wrk | 04:37 |
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| PedersenMJ | g'd evening :) | 05:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | the trout get hungry after all that fighting | 07:05 |
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| * PedersenMJ wonders if it's against the law to slap with halibut? | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | too flaky | 07:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | you need a good, firm fish | 07:07 |
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| PedersenMJ | Well, when the halibut is whole, it's definitely a firm fish. | 07:09 |
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| PedersenMJ | Tuna would be too big, definitely. So they're right out. | 07:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | in that case, halibut is okay by me | 07:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlbot: help | 07:10 |
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| perlbot | (fact) : tell (who) about (what) : (what) > (who) : learn (what) as (info) : relearn (fact) as (info) : phone (phone #) : shorten (url) : shorten it : search (keyword) : cpan (module) : docs (module) : perldoc -f (function) : jargon (term) : math (expr): fortune : flip : host (type) (record) : rot13 (text) : roll (die) : tempconv (temp) : scramble (foo) : 8ball (question) : slap (who) : diss (who) : top/bottom (number) karma : geoip (ip) | 07:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlbot: math 252/6 | 07:10 |
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| perlbot | 42 | 07:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlbot help slap | 07:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlbog: help slap | 07:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | stupid broken WebGUI ORM! | 07:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | the API won't let me create a deep asset, so I have to force it through the DB | 07:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | but then the object isn't updated, and that's what's used by addChild | 07:20 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: wait, what? | 07:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | recently I've been testing AssetLineage, from the API | 07:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | I need to cover the condition in addChild where if you try to create an Asset that's more than 42 levels deep, it creates a sibling instead | 07:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | but the API won't let you shove an arbitrary lineage into an Asset | 07:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | so I crowbar'ed it via the database | 07:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | that doesn't update the object, and the object is what is used to instantiate the child | 07:41 |
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| @preaction | you can't test by creating 42 levels yourself? | 07:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | you could... | 07:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | but I'm practicing virtue #1 this week | 07:41 |
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| @preaction | ? | 07:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | laziness | 07:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | impatience | 07:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | hubris | 07:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | the 3 perl virtues | 07:42 |
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| @preaction | for (1..41) { $lineage[$_-1]->addChild($properties); } # <-- tee hee | 07:42 |
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| @preaction | er... $lineage[$_] = $lineage[$_-1]->addChild | 07:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's true, I hadn't thought about looping | 07:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | in any case, wG's ORM is lacking | 07:43 |
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| @preaction | ORM? | 07:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | Object Relational Mapping | 07:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | it would be nice if it made sure that the object was updated with the latest db values before doing stuff | 07:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | kind of like a smart get | 07:44 |
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| @preaction | so you get a stale cache? | 07:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | stale object, yes. | 07:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | but I'm breaking encapsulation with my original approach in any case | 07:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | here's more about the virtues | 07:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://www.netropolis.org/hash/perl/virtue.html | 07:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll rewrite the test to use your approach | 07:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's much cleaner | 07:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | especially if you prime $lineage[0] | 07:47 |
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| @preaction | perlbot virtues | 07:48 |
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| perlbot | Laziness, Impatience, Hubris, Diligence, Patience and Humility | 07:48 |
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| @preaction | didn't know which ones you were referring to | 07:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | those last three are new | 07:48 |
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| @preaction | they're the polar opposites of the first three | 07:49 |
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| @preaction | perlbot diligence | 07:49 |
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| perlbot | The opposite of laziness. | 07:49 |
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| @preaction | perlbot patience | 07:49 |
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| perlbot | The opposite of impatience. | 07:49 |
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| @preaction | ... but no cool explanation of course | 07:49 |
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| @preaction | perlbot hubris | 07:49 |
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| perlbot | Excessive pride, the sort of thing Zeus zaps you for. Also the quality that makes you write (and maintain) programs that other people won't want to say bad things about. [Also, the thing that makes you write programs to do something that's already been done, because you believe you 08:38 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."] | 07:49 |
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| AMH_mari | Hia all, | 14:56 |
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| AMH_mari | Hi... | 14:56 |
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| AMH_mari | A weird thing is happening: I try to export one (1) page layout, containing one article and the export hangs. | 14:57 |
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| AMH_mari | Lots of disk activity on the server and the /var/log/http/error_log lists the following: | 14:57 |
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| AMH_mari | Can't cd to (./etc/lvm/) backup: Permission denied | 14:57 |
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| AMH_mari | at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm line 794 | 14:57 |
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| AMH_mari | Can't cd to (./etc/lvm/) archive: Permission denied | 14:57 |
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| AMH_mari | at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm line 794 | 14:57 |
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| AMH_mari | Can't cd to (./etc/cups/) ssl: Permission denied | 14:57 |
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| AMH_mari | at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm line 794 | 14:57 |
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| AMH_mari | Can't cd to (./etc/racoon/) certs: Permission denied | 14:57 |
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| AMH_mari | at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm line 794 | 14:57 |
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| AMH_mari | Can't cd to (./etc/) cron.d: Permission denied | 14:57 |
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| AMH_mari | at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm line 794 | 14:57 |
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| AMH_mari | Can't cd to (./etc/selinux/targeted/modules/) active: Permission denied | 14:57 |
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| AMH_mari | at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm line 794 | 14:57 |
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| AMH_mari | Can't cd to (./etc/selinux/targeted/modules/) previous: Permission denied | 14:57 |
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| AMH_mari | at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm line 794 | 14:57 |
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| AMH_mari | Can't cd to (./etc/pki/) CA: Permission denied | 14:58 |
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| AMH_mari | at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm line 794 | 14:58 |
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| AMH_mari | Can't cd to (./home/) samba: Permission denied | 14:58 |
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| AMH_mari | at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm line 794 | 14:58 |
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| AMH_mari | I've seen it attempt to access /proc too. | 14:58 |
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| AMH_mari | Any thoughts anyone? | 14:58 |
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| AMH_mari | The Storage.pm line find(sub { push(@files, $File::Find::name)}, "."); is the culprit... | 15:01 |
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| @preaction | that is not good at all | 15:24 |
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| @preaction | what does that article contain? | 15:25 |
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| @preaction | actually it looks like the bad code is in the chdir, it doesn't check for failure, it doesn't check if it's a valid dir to ch to, and then later we call File::Find on the current working directory (which in this case turned out to be /) | 15:41 |
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| @preaction | chdir on mod_perl environments is bad, iirc | 15:41 |
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| AMH_mari | Hi preaction; a page layout for a user friendly login page, with an article that contains some text and the ^L() macro call. I'll list its contents, one moment... | 15:43 |
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| @preaction | no need, if it's not explicitly linking to those things, i'd consider this a bug. unless something is symlinked there, or could otherwise resolve to there. something weird is going on | 15:44 |
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| @preaction | is it the latest WebGUI? | 15:45 |
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| AMH_mari | Yes, 7.3.14 | 15:45 |
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| @preaction | where's apache's DocumentRoot pointing to? | 15:45 |
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| AMH_mari | /data/domains/www.main.vir/public | 15:46 |
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| @preaction | try adding a warning, chdir $self->getPath || warn "Could not chdir to '".$self->getPath."': $!"; | 15:47 |
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| AMH_mari | and apache's is /var/www/html | 15:47 |
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| @preaction | i assume that the files above are relative to root, correct? | 15:47 |
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| @preaction | the /etc/pki/ and /home | 15:48 |
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| @preaction | wait, the || should be "or" (|| binds too tight to leave out the parens) | 15:48 |
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| AMH_mari | Yes | 15:48 |
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| AMH_mari | Okay, I must add this in the Storage.pm file at line 794? | 15:49 |
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| @preaction | once you add the warning, restart and try again. your apache error log should show you that warning if it fails to chdir | 15:49 |
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| @preaction | yes | 15:49 |
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| @preaction | no | 15:49 |
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| AMH_mari | Okay, i'll do that | 15:49 |
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| @preaction | replace line 792 with that | 15:49 |
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| AMH_mari | Okay 792 | 15:49 |
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| @preaction | chdir $self->getPath or warn "Couldn't chdir to '".$self->getPath."': $!"; | 15:50 |
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| AMH_mari | Yep, done it and ran it again; it now says: | 15:53 |
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| AMH_mari | Could not chdir to '/data/domains/www.main.vir/public/uploads/BI/0H/BI0Hx90TeU2chdfOQ9yRXA': No such file or directory at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm line 793. | 15:53 |
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| AMH_mari | Can't cd to (./etc/lvm/) backup: Permission denied | 15:53 |
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| AMH_mari | at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm line 795 | 15:53 |
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| AMH_mari | (I commented the original 792 line) | 15:53 |
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| @preaction | looks like some storage locations got deleted but the WebGUI::Asset::File that referenced them did not | 15:53 |
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| AMH_mari | Can those storage location(s) also be outside the page I'm trying to export? (I think other folders will not export either) | 15:55 |
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| @preaction | part of your style perhaps? | 15:56 |
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| AMH_mari | Checking... | 15:56 |
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| AMH_mari | mmm; I had a style configured that might be the problem. But now I have reconfigured to style Fail Safe, save and commited, recreated the export package (metadata change), but the problem persists. | 16:02 |
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| @preaction | same chdirs? you might need to look up the file that's causing the problem. it could be part of a template, or a link on that page, etc... | 16:03 |
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| AMH_mari | Indeed, the same upload directory entry.I'll try to find the file, but we have about 250 templates, which were imported into WebGUI using a Perl script. The script does a commit after every template, but I do remember having seen some upload directory related messages in the log before. I'll investigate further. | 16:05 |
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| AMH_mari | Many thanks for your support advice :-) | 16:05 |
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| @preaction | np, you should still post a bug and post that piece of code with the warning. let somebody on duty decide truly what to do about it, as that could still chdir to a bad directory if allowed to | 16:06 |
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| @preaction | (that piece of code being the altered line 792 i gave you) | 16:06 |
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| AMH_mari | I'll do that; bugs should be posting on the Plain Black site in a forum? | 16:07 |
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| @preaction | http://plainblack.com/bugs | 16:07 |
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| AMH_mari | Okay, thanks. | 16:07 |
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| AMH_mari | BTW: is there any protection against this type of lost references? If they somehow occur, e.g. due to memory problems on the server (which I suspect to be the problem with my virtual machine hosted WebGUI server)? | 16:09 |
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| @preaction | not that i'm aware of. i'm not sure how a memory issue would cause a file to not be created / deleted unless the server itself crashed | 16:10 |
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| AMH_mari | It does appear strange indeed; I'll investigate further and if I find a cause add it to the bug report. | 16:11 |
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| AMH_mari | And - if I have time - I'll attempt to write a recovery script that scans the whole WebGUI lineage and does something to assets with lost references :-) | 16:13 |
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| AMH_bob | Good morning! | 16:21 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning! | 16:21 |
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| AMH_bob | :) | 16:21 |
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| SDuensin | :-) | 16:21 |
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| SDuensin | Vuja-De! | 16:21 |
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| AMH_bob | Nice timing, it's actually my coffee break now! | 16:21 |
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| SDuensin | Where are you? I'm in the St. Louis, MO area in the USA. | 16:22 |
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| AMH_bob | We're in The Netherlands - 90 miles south-east of Amsterdam | 16:23 |
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| SDuensin | Got McDonald's there? They have yummy coffee. :-) | 16:24 |
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| AMH_bob | Not nearby, they are all close to the freeway or in major cities; We've got a pretty good cappuccino machine (yummie) | 16:25 |
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| SDuensin | :-) | 16:25 |
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| AMH_bob | So I'm off to the machine and then finish my last 5 minutes of break outside, later! | 16:26 |
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| SDuensin | I got hooked on coffee when I was working on the Air Force base near me. There was a fancy coffee bar in the building run by some really hot women. :-) | 16:26 |
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| SDuensin | See ya! | 16:26 |
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| ckotil | i started drinking coffee not long aog | 16:27 |
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| ckotil | it does wonders for waking my ass up | 16:28 |
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| SDuensin | I'm still more of a hot tea fan. But man, McDs has good coffee. <G> | 16:29 |
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| ckotil | ya, its not bad. i just cant be eating McBagels/McGriddles every morning | 16:29 |
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| ckotil | i usually opt for a bagel w/ coffee | 16:29 |
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| SDuensin | I hear ya. I love those sausage McMuffins, but I very rarely buy one. I'd be 500 pounds! | 16:30 |
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| SDuensin | (Dang programming! Sit on my butt all day!) | 16:31 |
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| ckotil | indeed | 16:31 |
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| ckotil | yarly | 16:31 |
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| ckotil | only physical activity i do is move my fingers, and walk to and from the bathroom | 16:31 |
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| SDuensin | Dang. Now that I said that, I want a McMuffin and grease-soaked hashbrowns! | 16:31 |
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| SDuensin | Morning, bopbop | 16:34 |
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| bopbop | Morning! Welcome Haarg. | 16:34 |
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| @Haarg | morning | 16:38 |
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| SDuensin | Howdy Haarg | 16:40 |
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| sanyock | Hi Ppl! | 17:19 |
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