WebGUI irc logs from: 2007-04.log

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@vaydecap10morgan, how irritating is that leading space problem in DateTime?01:54
cap10morganvayde: heh, pretty annoying01:54
cap10morganoh, that's probably already reported as a bug, isn't it?01:54
cap10morganit just occurred to me that i didn't even check... :/01:54
@vaydeThe reason I ask, is that's the proper behavior of the perl DateTime module01:54
cap10morganvayde: oh...01:55
cap10morgansuck01:55
@vaydeYeah, you have been burining up the bug reports01:55
cap10morganhaha, it's true01:55
@vaydeI can figure a way to work around it, but i'm wondering if that's put in there for a reason.01:55
@vaydeI don't know what that reason might be though.01:55
cap10morganvayde: yeah, seems pretty weird01:55
cap10morganthe month %M one doesn't do that01:56
@vaydethat's cos there's a workaround in the wG version.01:56
@vaydenow that you point that out, that tells me what to do.  thanks01:57
@vaydeI just didn't want to change it before giving someone a chance to point out why the leading space was necessary in some obscure way.01:57
@vaydeFixed your '+' in emails too btw02:00
cap10morganyeah, i saw that thanks02:11
cap10morganthanks for fixing this one too :)02:11
cap10morganif you told a workflow to run in the scheduler (i.e. the manual "Run" link), and it just didn't do anything (nothing in the log, not even at info level), what would be the first things to check?02:12
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+perlDreamervayde!  You're up late tonight07:42
@vaydeLate?  Oh I don't know07:43
@vaydeMostly been hangin out hopin you'd show up07:44
+perlDreamerI was in Seattle over the weekend07:44
+perlDreamerany luck with your www_view stuff?07:45
@vaydeI haven't really messed with it this weekend.  I was hunting other bugs07:45
+perlDreamerI buttoned up the isSingleton one just now.07:46
+perlDreamerisSingleton wasn't checked in www_editSaveWorkflow07:46
+perlDreamer:(07:46
@vaydeIt really only showed up in a test wobject I was playing with, so I chalked it up to my mistake.  However I get the same puzzler with debugs put into Asset.pm07:46
@vaydedamn.  I was gonna start the day tomorrow with a simple one.07:46
+perlDreamerah, sorry about that.  But I know why you're having www_view problems.07:47
+perlDreamerWobjects inherit from Wobject.pm07:47
@vaydePlease enlighten me07:47
+perlDreamerWobject.pm's www_view does not call SUPER07:47
@vaydeI must have mistyped07:48
+perlDreameryou put stuff into Wobject.pm's www_view and it doesn't get called?07:48
@vaydethat works allright07:48
@vaydeputting stuff into Asset.pm 's www_view method doesn't work07:49
@vaydeputting them in both yields Wobject.pm 's message only.07:49
@vaydehence it looked like somehow the base class was overriding the derived class07:49
+perlDreamerit is07:49
+perlDreamerWobject.pm has a www_view07:49
+perlDreamerit doesn't call SUPER07:50
+perlDreamerso it's overridden, not extended07:50
@vaydeOh duh!  Wobject inherits from Asset, not the other way around07:50
@vaydeI was thinking Article, and putting my statements into Asset07:51
@vaydeWell, I knew there was a problem, and it turns out that problem is me!07:51
+perlDreamerI don't suppose preaction said anything about MrHairGrease's proposed Post.pm fix?07:52
@preactionperlDreamer: didn't work.07:52
+perlDreamerbummer07:52
+perlDreamerI've been drooling over this07:54
+perlDreamerhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/smolder07:54
+perlDreamerBack in December I did some P6 test hacking.08:00
+perlDreamerThey use something that looks like Smolder (may actually be)08:00
+perlDreamerIt was awesome08:00
@vaydeHmm.  No, it's not just me.  Putting the following into Article.pm yields nothing:  $self->session->errorHandler->warn('foo');  print STDERR "foo \n";08:01
@vaydeneither on the page or in the logs.  It's like the method isn't being called.08:02
+perlDreamerrestarted Apache after changing it?08:03
@vaydeyeah, couple of times08:03
@vaydeand dumped the caceh08:03
@vaydecache08:03
@vaydeBeen wracking my brain trying to find out how that would even be possible, and if it is, how we're doing it.  Seems to be an interesting trick.08:05
@vaydeeven this doesn't work: die "ARRRGH! \n";08:06
+perlDreamerI'm getting the same thing08:09
+perlDreamerWobject's www_view is being called08:09
@vaydeOh good, then it's not just me.08:09
@vayderizen said something about it being a wG thing, but didn't have time to explain.  I may not have communicated what was going on precisely though08:10
+perlDreamerhang on, I have an idea08:10
+perlDreamerThe article you're looking at, is it inside a Layout?08:11
@vaydePage layout?  Yes.08:11
+perlDreamerthat is why08:11
+perlDreamerI think08:11
+perlDreamerLayout calls the child Asset's prepareView directly08:11
+perlDreamerso it never invokes www_view08:12
+perlDreamerThe Wobject call is from the Layout, not from the article08:12
+perlDreamerif you view the Article URL directly, you should see it pop-up08:12
@vaydeSince Layout basically means a page, isn't everything technically in a Layout?08:12
+perlDreamerno08:12
+perlDreamerAssets, in wG 6.3, were originally concieved to be "pageless".08:13
+perlDreameryou wouldn't need a container Asset to have a single Article.08:13
+perlDreamerBut most entry level wG users couldn't get the idea into their heards, so the Layout is used everywhere08:13
@vaydeAha!  Light dawns on shady brook!08:14
+perlDreamerbut if you go directly to any Asset's URL, it will use whatever page style it is configured to have and render you "a page".08:14
@vaydeIf I call it directly it dies screaming.  That's gratifying08:14
+perlDreamerIt's one of the hiccups people have with the CS08:14
+perlDreamersome want it to remain "embedded" in the current page, rather than pushing down into the core CS asset itself08:15
+perlDreamerthis also means that cache specific behavior for the Article is not propagated up to the page through www_view.08:16
+perlDreamerthat's worth bringing up to JT, since viewing an Article on a page will increase the load on the server08:17
@vaydeI'll mention it to him08:18
+perlDreamertomorrow, if you like, I can show you the test scripts08:19
+perlDreamerI've been told that my tests are a little confusing08:19
@vaydeI'll take any help you have time/interest in offering08:19
@vaydeespecially when it prevents me from bugging JT or preaction.  I sense they cringe when I log on08:20
+Radix-wrk"But most entry level wG users couldn't get the idea into their heards, so the Layout is used everywhere" - not just entry level wG users - I'm still this way and don't think that will ever change to be honest.08:21
+perlDreamerI must be making large (and false) assumptions.08:22
+perlDreamermy apologies08:22
+Radix-wrknone taken ;)08:22
@vaydeI didn't really think of 'Layout' and 'Page Layout' as the same thing.  I just figured the page layout thing was a fancy interface to the page's properties.08:22
+perlDreamerit is08:23
+perlDreamerLayout is just a container.08:24
+perlDreamerLike a Folder08:24
+perlDreamerThe Wiki is also pretty much a container.08:24
+perlDreamerand the CS08:24
+perlDreamerand the Calendar08:24
+perlDreamerthey don't really do much beyond aggregate data from their children08:24
@vaydeI see that now.  Thanks.  08:24
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@vaydeWell, that's it for me.  'night all08:48
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nubaso, while using WWW::Mechanize to mass migrate some content to Articles w/ file attachements i had to manually add the file input to the form before posting it, as it is currently added by javascript. should I file that as a bug ?11:51
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SDuensinGood morning.15:49
pjesihi SDuensin15:50
SDuensinHey pjesi 15:51
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preaction_can someone here try to access http://commctrl.com and get a default webgui install page?18:46
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@preactionjust trying to check that my router is working right18:46
ckotilits just loading and loading....18:47
ckotiltimed out18:47
@preactionthat's not as good18:48
@preactionthat sounds like what manuel does, since it's trying to run Perl CGI on a 90mhz machine.18:48
@preactionwhen the router should be pointing to wyoh...18:48
ckotilheh18:49
pjesiI get a page18:49
@preactionpjesi: a page with green on the top?18:49
pjesisorry I dont18:50
* pjesi looked at the wrong tab18:50
@preactionrofl... my DNS provider reset my settings?18:52
ckotilI just experienced some wierd shit, was editing an asset, but never got attached to a version tag.18:52
@preactionwhat kind of asset?18:53
ckotilfolder asset18:53
@preactionthat is weird18:54
ckotiltell me about it. quite scary too18:56
ckotilthe manager caught the problem.18:56
ckotili have yet to expirience it18:56
ckotilim hoping its related to me clearing the file cache via a scheduled task18:57
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perlmonkey2preaction: run your own DNS cacheing service and no more problems with DNS providers :)19:01
@preactioni lied, nothing in the DNS changed19:01
@preactionthe router restarted itself19:01
@preactioneverything Should work19:01
@preactionit works internally, with my /etc/hosts files updated accordingly19:01
ckotildamn, WebGUI dir is at half a gig now19:12
SDuensinThat's all?  You're not trying!19:13
ckotilgood to hear19:14
ckotilpastebin paste19:14
ckotilperlbot paste19:15
perlbotPaste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it.19:15
ckotilhttp://sial.org/pbot/2394619:15
SDuensinI've got one of about 5 sites half built and I'm at 1.5.  Moving it to my host is going to take forever.  :-)19:15
ckotilweatherdata is really screwing me19:15
pjesitopic is old :)19:17
@preactionckotil: you're going to have to comment out the sub that adds that column so that your upgrade can run successfully, after you restore from backup19:18
@preactionone of these days someone should remind me to ask TMRFE for a week or two to build a better upgrade system19:19
ckotilok. so i need to restore my back up first?19:19
ckotilthen run upgrade.pl with the commented out sub?19:19
@preactionyes, that upgrade (.10-.11) didn't get to finish because it died in the middle19:20
ckotilok, ya i see an open version tag19:20
@preactionbut the upgrade.pl script kept on going, which i would consider a bug but JT would call an RFE19:20
ckotilheh19:21
ckotilso this sub updateTemplates{}19:21
@preactionno19:21
@preactionthere's a section after WebGUI::Session->open that is a list of subroutine calls19:21
@preactionnevermind, there's only that one thing in that upgrade anyway19:22
ckotilin  updrade_7.3.10-7.3.11.pl?19:22
@preactionyeah, after my $session = start();19:22
@preactionit's fixWeather or something19:22
ckotilgot it.19:23
ckotilcan i just rerun the upgrade script or must i bring up my backup?19:23
@preactionhow long has it been since the backup?19:23
ckotiljust did it a minute ago19:23
ckotiljsut before the upgrade19:24
@preactionit would probably be best to bring up the backup19:24
ckotilk19:24
@preactionsomehow your site got the additional weather column without running the upgrade19:24
ckotili was told to add it while trying to fix  bug19:24
ckotil:/19:24
@preactionthat'd be why19:25
@preactionit's best to bring up the backup in case something in the 7.3.11 upgrade relies on something in the upgrade that failed19:25
ckotilk19:25
@preactionin this case, it probably did not happen, but better safe than sorry and other trite expressions19:25
ckotilalways19:26
ckotilupgrade complete19:32
ckotilthx19:32
ckotilmmm paginated commite version goodness19:45
ckotilcommited19:45
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SDuensinHey rizen 19:54
@rizenhowdy19:54
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+snapcountanybody home?21:07
+perlDreamerhola21:08
pjesi21:08
+perlDreamerhow you doing, man?21:08
+snapcountlife is rough... I have to wait for at least 2 hours before WoW downloads21:09
+snapcount=)21:09
+perlDreamerI've been feeding your crickets21:09
+snapcountheh21:09
+snapcountI should enter the style wcc21:10
+snapcountthat would be funny21:10
+snapcountSteve would get nausea21:10
+snapcountlime green with orange21:10
+snapcountlots of <blink> tags21:10
+snapcountshow off my design prowess21:10
+perlDreamerblink is so 90's21:11
+perlDreamerwe need to update it for y2k21:11
+snapcountI can bring it back21:11
+perlDreamerwe'll call it the "bling" tag21:11
+snapcountthere ya go21:11
+snapcountI haven't had a chance to check out the acme entries...21:13
+snapcountany good ones?21:13
* SDuensin thinks so. :-)21:13
+snapcountwhat did you submit?21:13
SDuensinThe HGR Macro.21:13
+snapcountwhat does it do?21:14
SDuensinLets you use Apple II high resolution images as assets.  :-D21:14
+snapcountis there a reason that you couldn't do that without the macro?21:15
+snapcountI don't really know what an Apple II high res image is or what's unique about it21:15
SDuensinIt reads them right off Apple II ProDOS formatted disk images and displays them as PNGs.21:15
pjesihaha21:15
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SDuensinApple II images are 240x192 six color images saved as an 8k raw memory dump of the video page of an Apple II.21:16
SDuensinThey're encoded really funky like.  Woz managed to get six displayable colors (there are actually 8, but two are white and two are black) out of a 1 bit memory map.21:16
+snapcountwell that definitely sounds like an acme contrib =)21:17
+snapcountnicely done21:17
SDuensin:-)21:17
SDuensinI figured that was weird enough.21:17
+snapcountI'm fresh out of Apple II's though21:17
+snapcountso I guess I can't try it out21:17
SDuensinI put a sample image in the archive.21:18
+snapcountso the image can be stored on other OS's and still requires the macro?21:18
+snapcountwhat does it do... translate to a web friendly binary format?21:18
SDuensinMakes it a PNG21:19
+snapcountok the light bulb is starting to come on21:19
+snapcountsounds pretty cool21:19
SDuensinYou can have multiple 8k pictures stored in a 140k ProDOS disk image.21:20
pjesiSDuensin: how long time did it take you?21:20
SDuensinFew days.  WebGUI API was the hardest part.   :-)21:20
+snapcountI want to write a code breaking wobject21:20
+snapcountfor substitution ciphers21:21
+snapcountnot brute force though, that's gay21:21
+snapcountI was going to have it use a frequency method21:21
SDuensinDo a one-time pad.  Each run needs a new PM module.21:21
+snapcountbased on the language the message is in21:21
cap10morganso, we have around 55 domains in our webgui 7 installation21:22
cap10morganbut spectre seems to be getting further and further behind21:22
+snapcountThe thing that interested me was the algorithim for breaking the cipher so I was going to write it all from scratch21:22
+snapcountI just like to use WebGUI because of the API21:22
+snapcountgranted it's probably more familiar to me =)21:22
cap10morganthe server has plenty more horsepower to throw at it, but how do i tell spectre to use it?21:23
cap10morgani've tried increasing the number of maxWorkers to 2521:23
cap10morganwhat else should i do?21:23
+snapcountwhat is spectre getting hung up on?21:23
cap10morganthe workflow queue just keeps getting longer and longer21:24
cap10morganit's processing through it all21:24
cap10morganbut it just keeps growing21:24
+snapcountlatest version?21:24
cap10morganyeah21:24
cap10morgan7.3.13 in WRE 0.7.221:24
cap10morganon RHEL 421:24
+snapcountthere is probably a workflow that is hanging up21:24
+snapcountspectre doesn't ignore those anymore21:24
cap10morgani'm watching spectre run, there doesn't seem to be21:24
+snapcountit pushes them to the bottom of the que21:24
+snapcountso if you have a list that is growing... that would be my first guess21:25
cap10morganok21:25
* SDuensin is excited - he just ordered a virtual server to put his WebGUI (and other) STUFF ON! WHOOO!21:25
+snapcountbasically if the wf has a problem it becomes priority 021:25
+snapcountso spectre runs the other stuff and then trys those again21:25
+snapcountset your logging to debug and see if you have errors21:26
cap10morganok21:26
+snapcountbtw this is just community advice21:27
+snapcountI don't work for pb anymore so this isn't official support21:27
+snapcountjust so you know21:27
cap10morganok21:27
SDuensinThat means we don't have to pay you.  :-)21:27
cap10morganhaha21:27
+snapcountthat's one way to look at it =)21:27
+snapcountSDuensin: where did you get your server?21:28
SDuensinLiquidWeb.  I've been using them for some time.  Support is excellent.  (I'd have done PlainBlack, but I need root access and can't afford them - yet!)21:29
cap10morganone of our domains just added a ton of workflow instances to the queue at priority 2021:29
+snapcountI think that higher number == lower priority21:30
SDuensinsnapcount - I just got this:  https://www.liquidweb.com/shared/plan4.htm21:30
+snapcountI never looked at that code after rizen re-wrote it21:30
+snapcountI need to setup a virtual machine in windows... what do you guys recommend?21:31
+snapcountVMWare appears to cost $$$21:31
+perlDreamerinstalling linux :)21:31
+snapcountand I don't like that21:31
cap10morganVMWare Server is free21:31
cap10morganthat's what i use21:32
+snapcountMy bodybugg doesn't work in Linux21:32
+snapcountso I need windoze21:32
+snapcountand I have the muscle to run a virtual machine pretty snappy21:32
+perlDreamerwhat's a bodybugg?21:32
+snapcountamazing what 4 sata2 baracuddas in Raid 0 will do for performance21:33
+snapcountit's a "Make yourself un-fat monitor"21:33
+snapcountits an armband that measures the amount of calories you're burning21:33
+snapcountI want to loose 2lbs/week21:33
+snapcountso I need to burn 1000 calories more than I consume each day21:34
+snapcountthis tells me how many I'm burning and the food log part of the software tells me how much is going in21:34
+snapcountthe software is all web based but uses active x controls so it requires IE21:35
perlmonkey2how does it know how many you are burning?21:35
+snapcountit measures a lot of things like number of steps, heart rate, and the electrical conduction between two points on your skin21:36
+snapcountsome how all of that crap into some formula lets them figure it out21:36
+snapcountpretty amazing21:36
+snapcountalso your skin temperature I think21:36
perlmonkey2that is amazing.21:36
+snapcountwww.bodybugg.com21:36
pjesisnapcount: that is no excuse21:37
pjesihttp://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page21:37
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pjesi:P21:38
wgGuest49what the f21:38
perlmonkey2IEs4Linux++21:38
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+snapcountapparently this chat java applet doesn't like it when you minimize the window21:39
pjesidid you see the url?21:40
+snapcountno21:40
pjesi[19:37] <pjesi> http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page21:41
+snapcountwill active x controls work?21:43
+snapcountI think that's how it interfaces with the hardware21:43
SDuensinThis is a better URL:   http://goodbye-microsoft.com/21:43
SDuensin:-)21:43
+snapcountthat's funny21:44
SDuensinsnapcount, just snag VMWare Server.  It works great.21:44
SDuensinVideo is slow on the Server edition, but you just minimize it and SSH in anyway.  :-)21:44
+snapcountwill that allow you to create the virtual machine?21:44
cap10morgansnapcount: yes21:44
SDuensinOr you could be completely psycho and use CoLinux.21:44
SDuensinYes.21:44
+snapcountok that sounds good... vmware server is the free one right21:45
SDuensinBillSoft also gives away VirtualPC now, too.  I prefer VMWare Server though.21:45
SDuensinYep.  Free.21:45
+snapcountcool21:45
+snapcountIt will slow down my WoW download for a bit but I suppose that's acceptable21:45
SDuensinhehehe21:46
+snapcount3.18 GB21:46
SDuensinYou're a digital crack addict.21:46
+snapcount20% done woo hoo21:46
+snapcountdigital crack eh?21:46
+snapcounthaven't heard that one yet21:46
SDuensinThat reminds me - I need to install CentOS in a VM.21:46
+snapcountbut it sound appropriate21:46
SDuensinWorld of Warcrack?21:46
+snapcountahh21:46
+snapcountI haven't played in quite a while21:47
+snapcountI'm starting up again21:47
* snapcount has a relapse21:47
SDuensinIt's the newer, more addictive, version of EverCrack.21:47
+perlDreamerIntervention!21:47
* SDuensin just sticks with IRC. It's the same, but with lower system requirements.21:47
+snapcountalways wanted to be on TV21:47
+snapcountI finally have a system that can play games again21:47
+snapcountso I'm happy21:47
SDuensinI do, too.  Just can't find *time* to play them!21:48
+snapcountah yes21:50
+snapcounttime21:50
SDuensinI bought a GameBoy DS game.  Figured I could play it while on the couch or wherever and maybe get to game a bit.  My two year old has played it more than I have.  (She's watched the intro at least two hundred times.)21:51
+snapcountmy Mom hijacked my DS when I visited her last21:53
+snapcountnow she has her own21:53
+snapcountthank God21:53
+snapcountshe got hooked on Brain Age21:53
SDuensinhehe21:53
SDuensinThe game I got was "Hotel Dusk:  215".  What I've seen of it is pretty cool.21:54
+snapcountcrap I keep forgetting this is a 64 bit machine21:55
+snapcountI'm constantly downloading the wrong stuff21:55
SDuensinehe21:55
SDuensinhehe21:56
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ckotilbrain age is neat23:21
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SDuensinWow, ckotil, you got some lag.  :-P23:26
ckotilheh23:28
* ckotil blames the 3 beers at lunch23:28
ckotilit acutually just clicked now in my head what brain age was.23:28
cap10morganso, i have a custom workflow that i wrote that runs fine on my development box23:28
* ckotil 's brain age is 20023:28
SDuensinhehe23:29
cap10morganbut on my server, it doesn't run23:29
cap10morganit doesn't spit out any errors or anything in the log23:29
cap10morganeven when i run it manually in the scheduler admin console23:29
cap10morganany idea what to check?23:29
cap10morgani have a once every 5 minute schedule for it to run, but it just doesn't23:30
ckotilwhat does it do?23:30
ckotilwhat kind of workflow?23:30
cap10morganit processes "actions"23:30
cap10morganwhich are basically dataform submissions23:31
cap10morganonce it's done its work, it marks the datafrom_entry as processed in the db (using a new field)23:31
cap10morganbut that's not happening23:31
cap10morgani see no evidence anywhere that it's even attempting to run... :/23:31
cap10morganhahaha23:32
cap10morganit just ran23:33
cap10morganfinally!23:33
cap10morgan:)23:33
ckotilheh23:33
ckotilso spectre took a while to process it?23:33
cap10morganwow, it took it like half an hour to run23:33
cap10morganwell, it didn't even attempt to run it until just now23:33
ckotilthats one of my biggest complaints with webgui right now23:33
cap10morganand then it completed basically instantly23:33
cap10morganhow asynchronous spectre is?23:34
ckotilnot sure.23:35
ckotilseems to be quite a bit tho23:35
ckotilotherwise why would jobs take so long to process , or even get into the queue?23:35
+perlDreamerIt's very hard to debug spectre problems on dev systems23:39
@rizenpd, i disagree23:41
@rizenspectre has all kinds of debug and testing stuff now23:41
+perlDreamerI should be more clear23:41
+perlDreamerIt's hard to replicate some spectre problems on dev systems23:41
@rizenand as for synchronicity problems, it's got to be a config error, or you've found a new bug that no one else has reported23:41
+perlDreamerspectre seems to be very situatinos dependent23:41
@rizenhave you guys done: perl spectre.pl --status23:42
@rizenIt tells you what's in the queue and how long it's been running23:42
@rizenwhat the status of each things is as well23:42
SDuensinOk, heading home.  Later all.23:51
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cap10morganspectre.pl --status is pretty interesting00:41
cap10morgani have a bunch (over 400) waiting workflows, all at priority 20 or 2100:42
cap10morganthe ones at 21 are complete00:42
cap10morganthe ones at 20 are all "never run"00:42
rizen_"complete" means that it successfully ran it's last task00:42
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cap10morgandoes 400 workflows seem normal for ~10 domains?00:46
@rizennot even close to normal00:46
cap10morgankinda what i thought...00:46
cap10morganhmm...00:46
@rizenit does depend on your spectre settings though00:46
@rizenwhat does your spectre config look like?00:47
@rizenthe defaults aren't really adequate for a multi-domain server00:47
cap10morganok to paste to channel?00:47
@rizenperlbot paste?00:47
perlbotPaste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it.00:47
cap10morganhttp://sial.org/pbot/2395100:48
@rizenwow00:49
cap10morgani love ~70 domains by the time this is a production server00:49
@rizeni wouldn't set max workers higher than 500:49
cap10morganoh, ok00:49
@rizenalso, time between workflows should probably be 1 second00:50
cap10morganok, changing those00:50
@rizengenerally speaking you want the list of running workflows to be empty00:51
@rizenaka zero latency00:51
cap10morganright00:51
@rizenfor example: http://sial.org/pbot/2395200:53
@rizenthis particular box has 90 sites running on it00:53
@rizenthe only ones sitting in the queue are ones that are waiting for approval00:54
cap10morganis priority 20 the lowest priority?00:54
@rizennope00:54
@rizenwell wait00:54
@rizenby lowest do you mean "least"00:54
@rizenthe priorities are 0, 10, and 2000:54
@rizenthe starting00:54
@rizensomething with a priority of 0 will be run immedietly00:55
cap10morganok00:55
cap10morgangotcha00:55
@rizenas things are executed, their priority will increase00:55
cap10morganalright, my queue is steadily declining now00:55
@rizenyou may see something like 243/20 as a priority00:55
@rizenmeaning that it has executed 223 times00:56
@rizenand started at 2000:56
cap10morganoh, ok00:56
@rizengenerally, anything running that long is going to be problematic00:56
cap10morganright, makes sense00:56
@rizeneverything that comes with webgui will fully complete withing 5-15 executions00:56
cap10morganthanks rizen, that's working much more smoothly now01:04
@rizenglad to hear it01:04
@rizenincidentally there's a lot of info about spectre included in the upcoming "WebGUI Administrators Guide" book that i'm writing01:05
@rizenyou should check it out01:05
@rizenit should be out mid may01:05
cap10morganoh, cool01:05
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cap10morganwell that was fun01:09
+perlDreamervayde, you want to talk tests?01:09
+perlDreamercap10morgan: indeed.  at least it was short01:10
cap10morgan:)01:10
@vaydesure, let's talk tests01:10
+perlDreamerWe'll do the email one first, it's the easiest.01:10
+perlDreamer1) Grab a copy of my wG testing talk from http://www.sunsetpres.org/web/webgui01:11
+perlDreamer2)Skim it (10-15 minutes tops)01:11
+perlDreamer3) Holler back01:11
@vaydewill do01:11
@vaydeWoah, pD.  I just looked at the clock.  I have to teach shortly.  I'll read it and check back with you either later tonight if you're around or tomorrow01:14
+perlDreamerno problem01:15
+perlDreamerhack on, it whatever medium you need to01:15
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SDuensinBlargh.  Morning.15:57
AMH_bobGoodmorning15:59
SDuensinHey AMH_bob 16:04
* SDuensin is already having a bad day. :-(16:04
SDuensinYou'd think a company the size of Apple would be able to pay their bills.16:05
* SDuensin has the worst luck getting paid for his work. <sigh>16:06
AMH_bobThey make pretty good stuff, that's all I know!16:19
* SDuensin is on a MacBook Pro right now. :-)16:21
AMH_bobwould like to be on a MacBook Pro right now :P16:24
AMH_bobI'm in The Netherlands, it seems that this channel gets busy when I head off to home ... :(16:25
AMH_bobits 3:24 pm here 16:25
AMH_bobI'm crash coursing wobjects now... it is starting to make sence16:32
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SDuensinCool, AMH_bob - I get to learn that yet.  16:35
SDuensinI *almost* had it figured out in the 5.x series.  Then I went away for a bit.  :-)16:35
SDuensinHey MrHairgrease 16:35
+MrHairgreasehi16:37
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cgaciao a tutti =)18:03
cgaohps sorry18:04
+MrHairgreasehi18:04
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+perlDreamerMrHairGrease: Do you know if there's a EuroWUC this year?19:21
+MrHairgreaseWhile I am not certain19:22
+MrHairgreaseI think no19:22
+MrHairgreaseIt there is, I would've prolly heard about it19:22
+perlDreamerokay, thanks19:22
+MrHairgreasethat is, if oit wer to be in NL19:23
+perlDreamerwell, you are well connected in the Euro wG community19:23
+MrHairgreaseonly in the dutch incrowd19:23
+MrHairgreasemost of the other euro guys i have never seen19:23
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dgmtrying to install webgui from source....  and I have to say... the instructions are severly lacking.  21:02
perlmonkey2How long would it take to port WebGUI to use Moose?  I've already tested Moose with Poe with no issues.21:02
perlmonkey2Although I don't start the Poe event loop until the Moose post-constructor BUILD call.21:03
SDuensinMoose?21:03
perlmonkey2Moose is Perl6 OO in Perl521:04
SDuensinAh.21:04
SDuensindgm - you mean the WRE?21:04
dgmno, the source21:05
perlmonkey2yes, rewrite all of the source in Moose.  21:05
SDuensinSource of WebGUI?  Or compile the WRE from source?21:06
+perlDreamerinstalling wG from source couldn't take more than 15-30 minutes, with most of that being downloading and installing perl modules from CPAN21:06
dgmwebgui source21:06
dgmon ubunto 6.0621:06
dgmcpan modules wouldn't all install21:06
+perlDreamerwhich ones?21:06
SDuensinWhy not use the WRE for Ubuntu?21:07
dgmI already have other apahce websites....  doesn't the WRE supply another apache?21:08
SDuensinTwo more, in fact.  :-)21:08
perlmonkey2dgm, I originally thought the documentation was lacking, because I didn't have a lot of modules installed.  The real problem was the documentation was too thorough and I had skimmed a lot of it, missing crucial steps.  Everything I had to do to get WebGui source running on brand new Fedora boxes was in the documentation.21:08
dgmthe cpan stuff should be earlier21:09
dgmthe instructions show the apache config before showing the cpan stuff, but some perl stuff needs to be installed before the web server is restarted21:10
dgmgah.   I have to give up for today... 3 hours is too much21:11
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SDuensinHe was fun.21:12
+perlDreameryes, but too bad he wouldn't give more details21:12
+perlDreamerdgm is a PHP/perl/rails dev21:12
SDuensinAh21:12
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: it would be a big task to rewrite everything in Moose.21:13
* SDuensin is a whatever-the-source-is-in dev.21:13
perlmonkey2perlDreamer: probably makes more sense to wait until Perl6 is production worthy?21:14
+perlDreamerrizen would like to move to p6 when that happens21:14
+perlDreamerIt would be nice (very nice) to have the power of p6 today, but don't you think it would be much slower than regular old p5?21:15
perlmonkey2I've signed up to the pugs project, but haven't had time to contibute :(21:15
+perlDreamerWebGUI can always use more perl hackers21:15
perlmonkey2Slower?  Definetely.  Noticeably?  Probably not.21:15
+perlDreamerare there any Moose benchmarks out there for comparison?21:16
* perlmonkey2 would love to be a full time Perl project hacker.21:16
+perlDreamerI found a little info in Moose::Cookbook::FAQ21:18
+perlDreamerthe big risk in such a big rewrite is that there's no wG-wide test suite to back you up.21:19
perlmonkey2yes, it wasn't a very well thought out idea.  But irc is perfect for those :P21:20
perlmonkey2Plus, since p6 is ontrack for xmas2007, the rewrite would just be wrapped up when p6 design work would need to be started.21:20
+perlDreamermaybe we should flesh out wG's test suite to make such ideas easier to implement?21:21
perlmonkey2And the p6 rewrite will be magnitudes more fun.21:21
perlmonkey2With threading functional and working, I wonder if POE will be necessary anymore?21:22
+perlDreamerp6 has been on track for xmas 2\d\d\d for a long time21:22
perlmonkey2#perl6 is very assuring on this issue.21:23
* perlmonkey2 gets a little sick to his stomach thinking about a redesign of WebGui that would not entail using POE.21:26
* perlDreamer heads off to lunch. bbl21:27
SDuensinWTF is POE anyway?  All I know is that I updated it.  :-)21:31
ckotilhttp://poe.perl.org/?POE_Components_List21:32
perlmonkey2POE is a psuedo operating system/event handler.21:34
SDuensinah21:35
SDuensinMan, there's POE crap for everything.  :-)21:37
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perlmonkey2yes, POE is like butta21:43
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+perlDreamervayde, want to talk tests?22:58
@vaydeI'd love to, but I have to squash something for JT first22:59
SDuensinHe's scared of spiders, eh?22:59
@vaydegimme a few to puzzle over it, maybe you can explain it to me22:59
@vaydecall me the Orkin man...  Nik Bash Bugs!23:00
+perlDreamerare we going to release tomorrow?23:01
@vaydeI don't know.  I'm pretty low on the totem pole23:04
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@preactiongod i remember saying that same thing a few months ago00:28
@vaydeahh, the good old days  eh?00:36
@vaydenow you're the 'elder brother' as we would say in kung fu00:37
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@preactionof course, kohai01:18
@vaydewrong country round eye.  To me you're 'sihing'.01:20
@preactionthat's racist, dog01:20
@preactionthey're not round, they're more droopy01:20
@vaydeHey, as a Japanese/Swedish/Scot I reserve the right to use 'round eye' any time I want.  Don't make me serve you raw lutefisk while wearing a kilt!01:23
@preactionJapanese/Swedish/Scot who teaches Chinese martial art?01:24
* preaction braces for "wrong country, <insert racist term>"01:24
@vaydeYup.  My great-great-great grandfather was samurai, and I only do chinese martial arts.  My family is very disappointed01:24
@preactioni'd break out the "slope", but i'm white, so therefore I cannot play with racism.01:25
@preactionyeah, i'd say so. how long did Japan have to defend itself against Chinese/Mandarin tyrants?01:26
@vaydeAt least twice, but other than the Mongols, I don't really remember.01:27
@vaydeI'm more familiar with the times it wen't the other way01:27
@preactionthe evil japanese imperialists? I remember one, and vaguely remember that another one might've been a factor in a mongol occupation before the mongols established a dynasty. but i'm probably just admitting my own ignorance01:30
@vaydeI have a weapon style/form that was specifically tailored to fight the japanese katana. 01:31
@vaydeI'm not much of an historian, really.  I just hit stuff.01:32
@vaydeIs there a support/hosting price list somewhere?02:09
+perlDreamerhttps://www.plainblack.com/store/services02:12
+perlDreamerperlbot: PBstore is https://www.plainblack.com/store/services02:18
perlbotadded PBstore to the database02:18
@vaydeduh.  found it02:18
+Radix_mornin'02:24
+Radix_I'm winning on the ACME contest so far.. of course noone else has voted and I voted for myself, but hey..02:25
+Radix_;)02:25
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pjesi\o06:17
pjesiPedersenMJ: how many styles do you plan to submit to the contest? :-)06:18
PedersenMJI still thought it had to be all original? And, though I can convert without problem, making a new one? I suck.06:18
pjesiit has been changed?06:23
pjesiI think06:23
pjesiyou can convert open source templates06:23
PedersenMJAh, cool. In that case, I might have time to convert a good three or four of them :)06:25
pjesinice!06:25
pjesiI was hoping I can find the time for one!06:25
PedersenMJHey, they're pretty easy. Just go down the tutorial I wrote, working on any given theme. Shouldn't take but 3 to 4 hours, depending on complexity.06:26
PedersenMJSome could take longer, sure, but they're pretty easy overall.06:26
pjesiPedersenMJ: yeah I know how to make them, but just really busy06:26
pjesifor instance I am pulling an "allnighter" as we speak06:27
PedersenMJAh, ditto. Still, it's a chance for another $250, so I can make some time.06:27
pjesi:)06:27
PedersenMJJust got home from work half an hour ago myself (it's now 11:30pm).06:27
pjesiIm doing final assignments for a msc course06:27
pjesiI have written more code in the last three week then the entire year 200606:28
pjesiweeks*06:28
PedersenMJWell, if it was for you, rather than for a course, I'd say congrats on these 3 weeks.06:28
pjesiit is 4:28 over here 06:28
pjesi:)06:28
pjesiIm just really tired, have to submit at noon06:29
PedersenMJThat's never any fun.06:29
pjesibut I learned a lot on these three weeks, so I dont regret it06:30
pjesibut it would be nice to do some fun work that does not require much "brains" like converting a style :)06:34
PedersenMJHeh. I'm working on finishing a python app of mine before I allow myself some of the fun stuff.06:34
PedersenMJWonder if it could be done for perl, actually? It's a three piece tool for python scripts.06:36
PedersenMJ1) Run a compile process over all files.06:36
PedersenMJ2) Run a documentation checker, making sure that all docs are written, properly tagged, etc06:37
PedersenMJ3) Run a unit test coverage checker, which makes sure that every method has a unit test, and that the test actually calls the method06:37
PedersenMJ(woops, 4 parts) 4) Run the unit tests06:37
PedersenMJI don't doubt it could be done in/for perl, but I have no idea how I'd go about it.06:39
pjesipython is cool06:43
pjesithe web frameworks look really promising06:44
PedersenMJCan be, sure. I dunno. I'm using it because it's the best tool for the job I've got in mind, but I can't honestly say I really like it. Sorry, but the mandatory whitespace thing really bugs me.06:44
PedersenMJOkay, this one made me LOL: http://www.bash.org/?25810406:46
pjesiI dont mind it06:46
pjesihehe06:47
PedersenMJYeowch. Here's one I'd not soon try on *any* machine I cared about (unless it was Windows... wait, I did say cared abotu, which eliminates Windows anyway): http://www.bash.org/?9616407:02
@preactionroflrofl07:02
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PedersenMJShh! he's back!07:05
@preactiondon't say that, now he knows!07:05
PedersenMJDamn! Hinrik, please log out, log back in again, and pretend you haven't seen anything, okay?07:06
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PedersenMJVideo that you need to see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFpp1zRrDfg07:18
PedersenMJWell, will enjoy seeing, if you like flight.07:18
pjesiwhat did I miss? :s07:30
pjesiHinrik: you better upload pictures of the kitten real soon, I want to see the soldier07:30
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Hinriktalking about me eh...08:37
Hinrikpjesi: here you go08:43
Hinrikhttp://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2674/kitty1fu1.jpg08:43
Hinrikhttp://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8739/kitty2tf5.jpg08:43
Hinrikhttp://img482.imageshack.us/img482/1848/kitty3hl1.jpg08:43
Hinrikhttp://img479.imageshack.us/img479/7666/kitty4ra3.jpg08:43
Hinrikhttp://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8611/kitty5fq2.jpg08:43
Hinrikhttp://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1086/kitty6xm7.jpg08:43
Hinrikexcuse the toes08:44
@preactionKITTIES08:48
@preactionooh, he's a teenager and he's all gangly and CUUUUUTE08:48
@preactionoh.. it was just that one pichar he looked gangly08:48
pjesipie08:57
Hinrikshe08:59
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@preactioni hate learning that my assumptions were wrong and having to undo 4 hours of work at 2:00 in the morning...10:19
* preaction goes to bed instead10:19
+Radix-wrkheh10:25
@preactionand my gf wonders why i'm gaining weight... no time to do anything but sit here with a computer on my lap...10:26
* preaction stops whining10:26
+Radix-wrkI had a similar ordeal today10:26
@preactioneventually, i mean10:26
@preactionyum10:26
+Radix-wrkassumptions are killers10:26
@preactionone of those "I want to build an EMP so that every computer will die and we'll have to use tech manuals to build our technology back up to current level over a slow period of a few decades"?10:27
+Radix-wrkheh10:28
+Radix-wrkhttp://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,1809989710:28
+Radix-wrkdid I post that one in here?10:29
@preactionnot that i know of10:30
@preaction3 minutes into it and ... wow...10:32
+Radix-wrkyeah10:33
@preactionof course, all he had to do was say "hold the power button for 6 seconds"10:34
+Radix-wrkpersonally I think both are idiots.. the dell tech was obviously following protocol by asking for his basic questions.. knowing that if he didn't get them up front the guy would hang up10:34
@preactioni hate level 1 techs10:34
+Radix-wrkthat said, he could have told the guy this up front so the guy didn't go on and on10:35
+Radix-wrkbut obviously the second guy is an idiot also who just likes the sound of his own voice and likes to yell and abuse.10:35
@preactioni dunno man, after an hour screwing around with those automated systems, i want to kill people too10:36
@preactionthat added to the "it's so simple I'm stupid for not figuring it out" embarassment of how to turn the thing Off10:37
@preactionafter the first bit of yelling, i'd deviate from script and say "hold the power button down for a few seconds"10:37
@preactionand now i'm reading this thread and i'm wondering why more people do NOT yell at the tech support people...10:40
@preactiontheir bosses seem to think that support is just a waste of money. a "120 second handle time", what if it's actually a real PROBLEM?10:40
+Radix-wrkyup, which is why i said both are idiots10:44
@preactionhttp://customerssuck.com <- some hilarity here10:53
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@preactionhas anyone seen ubuntu's launchpad recently? https://launchpad.net11:55
@preactionwonder if the new webgui.org site could do things as straightforward as this11:55
+Radix-wrkit's very nice12:02
@preactionscrew that, it's amazing12:02
@preactionRFE for built-in bug tracking to the project manager perhaps?12:03
@preactionplainblack is just using a CS right now12:03
@preactionbuilt-in release tracking too maybe? mark bugs for certain releases and then the release can have a percentage done12:04
@preactionmark RFEs as well, put them in the same system (being able to choose between "RFE", "Minor", "Major", "Critical" or "Fatal")12:08
+Radix-wrkhehe.. I want to download it and install it on a server here to manage our own projects.. wish we could!12:21
+Radix-wrkanyways.. hometime now.. adios12:21
@preactioncya12:21
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+Radix_I should prolly write this up in the wiki sometime I guess - http://www.plainblack.com/web_design_templates_and_themes/newbie-how-to-set-navigation-for-different-areas-of-the-site13:28
@preactionsnippets are cached, so the slowdown with assetproxy calls is minimal compared to the time it saves you. processor time is less expensive than programmer time (which i try to convince my bosses of every time they tell me to optimize before implementation)13:30
* preaction remembers that the channel is listening and there are logs...13:31
@preactionbut yes, that would make a bully wiki article13:31
+Radix_"The awesome power of snippets and assetproxy - or how to make your site more dynamic than ever"13:33
+Radix_http://www.biggercheese.com/comics/0332.png13:49
@preactionthey h4x0r3d t3h g1b50n!13:50
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ckotilIf you have a workflow w/ object type WebGUI::VersionTag , can you create a scheduled event to execute a workflow w/ object type WebGUI::User without getting errors?15:53
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SDuensinGood morning.15:58
@preactionckotil: iirc versiontag and user workflows don't work under the scheduler (since they require objects)15:58
ckotilI see15:58
ckotilthat makes sense15:58
ckotilCan I safely delete the workflow from the WorkflowInstance table?15:59
@preactionmaybe, maybe not16:01
@preactioni personally haven't had any major problems removing things from the WorkflowInstance table, and you might want to go remove things from WorkflowInstanceScratch too, but ymmv16:02
ckotilthe bulk of the workflow ran fine, its just this last activity in the workflow that is getting hung up bc its a create scheduled event w/ WebGUI::User16:02
ckotilyah. ive done it in the past, and nothing got screwed up16:03
ckotilI had this workflow creating a scheduled event to send an email notifying users that there is a pending version tag needing to be approved16:05
ckotilit just occured to me i can pull this off with this activity i have that lets me send an personilzed email message to any email address16:05
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ckotili think i found a bad bug 17:28
ckotilw/ editing file assets.17:28
ckotilwhen you click save, the file gets downlaoded and an warning is thrown17:29
ckotil WARN - globalnoc.webgui.conf - main::[[undef]] - Couldn't call method editSave on asset for url:17:29
ckotilRoot cause: Can't call method "setPrivileges" on an undefined value at /gnoc/globalnoc/htdocs/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/File.pm line 251.17:29
@vaydeugh17:29
ckotilim about to revert to a backup17:30
ckotilbc i have to be able to have users edit file assets17:30
@vaydewhen did that start?17:30
ckotiltoday17:30
@vaydewhich version?17:30
ckotili upgraded yesterday17:30
ckotil7.3.1317:31
@vaydewrite it up so we have a record of it in the system, and I'll jump on it right away17:32
ckotilsubmitting a post to the PB Support forum17:32
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ckotilhttp://www.plainblack.com/plain_black_support/wierd-behavior-when-editing-file-asset17:35
@rizenwhy are you giving me that url?17:35
ckotilhabbit17:39
ckotilsorry17:39
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ckotilthanks jt19:03
@rizennp19:04
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+perlDreamerbunches and bunches of PB people today20:27
+perlDreamerhello PB people!20:27
@preactionhello perlDearest20:28
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@rizenpreaction......your wording scares me sometimes20:55
@preaction"wording"?20:55
@rizenperlDearest20:55
@rizenand i remember one time you saying something like "yes JT sweetums" or something like that to me20:56
@preactionit's a good gauge of my mood: the more eloquent the speech, the more embarassed or ashamed or... oh, you're talking about THAT20:56
@preactionthat's just good ol fashioned fun!20:56
+MrHairgreasewhat's wrong with that sweetums?20:56
@preactionyeah, pookie-pie?20:56
* preaction might have just gone too far20:57
+MrHairgreasenah20:57
+MrHairgreaseyou have to call jt my little p[onie for that20:57
+MrHairgreaseor20:57
@preactionis that a reference to Plone? one of the Axis of Evil?20:57
+MrHairgreasemaybe carebear\20:57
@rizeni hate you guys20:58
+MrHairgreasefyr!20:58
+MrHairgreasei can't belive that you liked the bofh macro better than the l33tout20:58
@preactionMrHairgrease: i wasn't able to get the l33tout to work :'(20:58
+MrHairgreasewhat?20:59
+MrHairgreasewhat went wrong20:59
@rizenand l33tout is a remake, where bofh is brand new20:59
+MrHairgreasei didn't say so in the rules20:59
+MrHairgreasebut then again20:59
@preactioncouldn't call method "get" on an undefined value at line something, i can dig it up hang on20:59
+MrHairgreasei do not care that much20:59
+MrHairgreaseoh20:59
+MrHairgreaseweird20:59
@rizenthere's nothing saying you can't do a remake...just that i prefer new stuff to a remake21:00
+MrHairgreasefile a bug report =)21:00
+MrHairgreaseok21:00
+MrHairgreasefair enough21:00
@rizenalso...bofh gives you something new an hillarious everytime21:00
+MrHairgreasetry explain that to marijn21:00
+perlDreamerso who is marijn?21:01
+perlDreameryou were going to tell us about her last week but were suffering21:01
+perlDreamerfrom EBC21:01
+MrHairgreasea girl who like ultrahip eurothrash with sex appeal21:01
+perlDreamercan she hack?21:01
+MrHairgreaseno21:01
+MrHairgreasebut she can drink21:01
+MrHairgreasewhich is a virtue in itself21:01
+perlDreamer1/2 isn't bad!21:01
+MrHairgreaseright?21:01
@rizeni'm not certain why she likes ultruhip eurotrash though21:02
@preactioncan she outdrink a german?21:02
+perlDreamerit's the sex appeal21:02
@preactionno, can she outdrink an Irishman?21:02
+perlDreamerwell, bring her to Wisconsin in October21:02
+perlDreamerwe'll teach her perl21:02
@preactionwe can test the german one then21:02
+MrHairgreaseok pd21:03
+MrHairgreaseyou get joeri to ay expenses for marijn21:03
+MrHairgreaseand i might bvring her21:03
+MrHairgreaseactually21:03
+perlDreamershe's part of your staff21:03
+perlDreamerrequired for travel21:03
+perlDreamerit's not an option21:03
+MrHairgreasethere's a picture of her in the spot gooey section21:03
+MrHairgreaseno staff!21:03
+MrHairgreasei don't have any staff21:04
+MrHairgreasebeing a minion muself21:04
+perlDreamerwho is going to check your flights, handle appointments, speaking engagements and the autograph event?21:04
+MrHairgreasejoeri is21:04
+MrHairgreasebut he also pays my bills21:04
+MrHairgreaseoh21:04
+MrHairgreasediners ready21:04
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+perlDreamerw00t! release.21:40
ckotilhrm, i cant seem to recall wehre the code is that will prevent me from uploading an htm file. automatically turns it into a txt21:40
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+perlDreamerStorage.pm21:42
ckotilthx p21:42
ckotild21:42
+perlDreamerckotil: btw, I haven't had a chance to look at your workflow bug.  It may be a while, so if you'd like someone else to look at it it's fine by me.21:43
ckotilno problem.21:44
ckotilnone of the bugs seem to be urgently requiring attention21:44
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* SDuensin has been busy as crap today.22:28
* pjesi has not slept for 37 hours22:31
SDuensinI slept, but I don't know if it did any good.22:35
* ckotil bites22:35
ckotilwhy?22:35
pjesithree deadlines at noon22:44
ckotilthats hardcore22:44
pjesiyeah I should know22:45
SDuensinBeen there, done that.  You can keep it.22:48
pjesiI dont want to be rude and sit on it alone22:49
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@vaydeHey pD!  Im in the club!  I just broke a couple pb servers!22:57
* SDuensin cheers!22:57
@vaydewell, I didn't totally break them, it was just a flesh wound...22:58
pjesiHinrik once did rm -r mysql in wre on a site launch day, that was a good day23:00
pjesi:)23:00
Hinrikyes23:00
@vaydeI'm still in the bush leagues I guess.  I think I already fixed what I did.  Hafta try harder next time I guess23:01
ckotilheh23:04
+perlDreamerhow did you do it, vayde?23:38
+perlDreamershare your pain....23:38
@vaydeOh, no biggie, really, I just screwed up how the CS mail handler works.23:38
@vaydeIt should be fixed now, but of course, now that I'm waiting for the email to circulate, they are g o i n g  v e r y  s l o w l y23:39
+perlDreamerthat's a pretty good one.  Broke all notifications and subscriptions for forums.23:39
+perlDreamerthat's at least a 723:39
@vaydewow, and it only took 3 or 4 lines23:40
@vaydegifted I guess23:40
@vaydeactually, come to think of it, I've been claiming my real talent to be in the field of destruction for years now23:41
+perlDreameranalyze your enemies weaknesses and use them to defeat him?  Or is that the wrong philosophy?23:42
@vaydeclose.  23:43
@vaydeActually the art of war says that being invulnerable lies with you, but being vulnerable lies with the enemy23:43
@vaydetherefore great warriors made themselves invulnerable, and then awaited the moment when the enemy could be defeated23:43
@vaydeall I can really do is make myself invulnerable.  23:43
@vaydeyou are responsible for leaving an opening.  all I do is use it when you present it23:44
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+Radix_I love deadlines02:33
+Radix_I especially like the wooshing sound they make when they go past.02:33
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nubaRadix_: thats a classic line :)03:33
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+crythiasJesse!03:53
+crythiasHiya, Radix-wek03:54
+crythiaserm. Radix-wrk03:54
+Radix-wrkHiya03:54
+Radix-wrkJust got into the office :)03:54
+crythiasAh. :) 03:55
+Radix-wrklast day of work before a nice long easter weekend :)03:55
+crythiaslikewise03:55
+crythiasactually, I'll be taking off Thursday :)03:55
+crythiasSo, Roy's gone, hmm?03:56
+Radix-wrkgone?03:56
+crythiasApparently, no longer staff @plainblack...03:57
+Radix-wrkAhh.. i see03:57
+crythiasCTS.. speaking of /topic...03:58
+crythiashttp://crythias.blogspot.com/2007/04/from-picture-choose-color-scheme.html03:59
+Radix-wrkcool idea04:00
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PedersenMJgood evening04:24
SDuensinHey PedersenMJ 04:25
PedersenMJHow's it going?04:25
SDuensinOther than I'm sick as a dog, not bad.  :-)04:26
@preactionthat's not good04:26
@preactionin fact, i would go so far as to call that abd04:27
PedersenMJMeh, I dunno. I've known some sick dogs, and more often than not, it just turns out they need some simple meds, and they're fine.04:28
PedersenMJOf course, the whole neutering thing sucks.04:28
@preactionwhoa, this conversation took a very bad turn04:28
SDuensinhehehe04:29
PedersenMJWell, whatever you do, don't get sick as a dog. Lest somebody decide you should be neutered.04:30
+crythiasugh04:30
+Radix-wrkUmm.. yeah04:32
+Radix-wrkHi Ped04:32
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PedersenMJHey, Radix. You're not that sick, are you?04:33
+Radix-wrkI'm pretty sick.. but physically I'm just fine.04:33
@preactiontake them both out back and shoot them?04:33
PedersenMJNah, that's for horses.04:34
@preaction*sniff* they were the best devs a guy could want04:34
* SDuensin is, that's true.04:34
SDuensin:-P04:34
+Radix-wrkI think you're all pretty sick.04:35
@vaydewouldn't be here if we weren't04:36
PedersenMJUh-uh. Definitely not sick. Not with chats of neutering and shooting going on.04:36
@vaydeor maybe, we wouldn't feel comfortable here if we weren't sick04:36
@vaydeJeez, you guys have all the interesting chats after I log off04:36
+Radix-wrkPedersenMJ, you're the only one obsessed with neutering I think ;)04:37
PedersenMJHey, it was SDuension who said he was sick as a dog.04:37
@preactiona simple figure of speech turns into a bloodbath of neutering and euthenasia04:38
+Radix-wrkhence why I think you're all pretty sick.. in the head. ;)04:39
+Radix-wrkHave you guys ever heard the term "fully sik"?04:39
@preactioni've not not heard of it!04:40
@preactionno wait. just regular not04:40
+Radix-wrkIt's an aussie slang used by greeks and lebanese over here to say something is pretty cool04:41
+Radix-wrkie. "That car is fully sick Habib!"04:41
+Radix-wrksick/sic/sik are used interchangeably in those sentences04:41
@preactionit's west-coast slang in america, not very midwest yet04:42
+Radix-wrkBecame a big thing after the aussie show and movie "Fat Pizza"04:42
@preactionnik's west-coast i think. come to think of it i don't know where nik lives04:42
@preaction... and fixing one bug reveals another...04:43
+Radix-wrkSo to be called "sick" has other connotations over here.. it can also mean very cool04:43
@vaydeIm midwest.  Minneapolis.  Sick here is just, sick.04:44
@preactionvayde: wait, don't we have a staff get-together this weekend sometime?04:45
@vaydeweek from friday04:45
@preactiongood. i thought i forgot. way too much stuff piling up04:46
@vaydeFriday the 13th actually.04:46
@vaydefitting I thought04:46
@preactiondear jeebus04:47
@preactioni'll need to bring my garlic04:47
@preactiondoes garlic work on you people?04:47
@vaydenope, not crucifixes either.  We're different sorts of terrible evil04:49
@vaydeyou could try beer, or women.  I confess to having a weakness for either.04:49
@vaydethey don't really ward off the evil, just keep it distracted for a while04:50
@preactionhow can i ward off evil with evil? more beer?04:55
+Radix-wrkJust bring buffy along05:00
@preactionbut buffy is part of the "evil-that-is-greater-than-nik"05:01
@vaydeeverything's better with more beer05:01
@vaydeand yes, please bring buffy05:01
@vaydeI like her kind of evil...05:02
@preactionthe pretty one or sarah michelle gellar?05:02
@vaydethe original please05:02
@vaydespeaking of that kind of evil, you guys are lucky, I have managed to persuade the GF that the 'staff get together' is just for staff05:04
@vaydeIf you think meeting me is a shock, wait till you meet her.05:04
+Radix-wrkYou mean this buffy? - http://next-episode.net/babe-of-the-day/babe/470.html05:05
+Radix-wrkPersonally, I prefer the series05:05
@vaydeyeah, that's the one.05:06
@preactionmy gf's 5 foot nothing and about 120 lbs. i'm six-three, 190. our maturity levels are so different she could be my daughter if i weren't always pawing her. i doubt you can shock me :p05:06
@preactionkristy swanson! that's her name05:06
+Radix-wrkfavourite episode was Hush - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hush_(Buffy_episode)05:06
@vaydeOk, you thought that the Japanese-Swedish-Scot chinese martial artist who has delusions of being a developer was bad?05:06
@vaydemy gf's a costume designer for renaissance festivals, not to mention a slinky, redheaded, tatooed, ex dominatrix and stripper05:07
@preactioni'm shocked05:07
@preactionSHOCK AND AWE05:08
@vaydeI win05:08
+Radix-wrkawesome05:08
@vaydejust another lure for the next WUC.  I don't think you want to put it on the ads though05:08
+Radix-wrkMy gf sells drugs for a living - and makes a nice bit of money out of it.05:08
* SDuensin takes more of an interested in what vayde has to say05:09
@vaydeheh, I don't know if I can top myself.05:10
SDuensinWell, if your girl is the dominatrix, that makes you a bottom.  :-P05:11
+Radix-wrkI went out with a Madam once05:11
PedersenMJHmm, lessee: Buy drugs from Radix's gf, or ogle vayde's gf. One legal, one not. One liable to get me punched by three people (vayde, vayde's gf, and my wife), one liable to get me thrown to the ground by large men in blue uniforms who will place me in a large building to stay with large men named Bubba. Tough choice.05:11
@vaydelol05:11
@preactionPedersenMJ: you'd survive the blue men. i'm not sure you'd survive vayde05:12
@vaydenaw, she stopped the dominatrix gig a while ago05:12
PedersenMJSurvive the blue men? Sure. Dunno that I'd survive the Bubba's, though.05:12
@vaydeI pop the cores of heavy bags with punches.05:12
@preactionwebgui question: should different revisions to the same assetId under the same version tag create new revisions? or should an asset only get one revision per version tag?05:12
+Radix-wrkHmm.. interesting one05:13
+Radix-wrkCurrently it does new revisions05:13
@preactionright, but i don't know why05:13
@preactioni mean, when debugging javascript, i've got like 60 revisions of this template05:13
+Radix-wrkWell if something is being edited multiple times before it's committed then you don't necessarily want to lose those changes05:14
@preactiontrue05:14
+Radix-wrkI think it should really combine all of the revisions done under a revision tag when it's actually committed tho05:14
@preactionwhat if after its committed some higher power decides they want B (which was deleted when committed)?05:15
@preactionseems to me the issue is all-or-nothing, and there's a better argument for all05:15
+Radix-wrkthey'd roll back to the revision prior to the latest commit05:15
@preactionbut the changes that made B are lost, A being the original, C being the new05:16
@preactionif B and C were created under the same version tag05:16
+Radix-wrkOh I see what you mean05:16
+Radix-wrkYeah.. better argument for all then for those cases05:16
PedersenMJToo bad there's no good ui to allow the user to choose whether or not to collapse the changes.05:17
@preactionyou can delete revisions. perhaps a revision manager much like the asset manager? with a checkbox list so you can select multiple revisions to delete?05:19
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+perlDreamercrythias: How you doing, man?05:48
+perlDreamervayde: I got you test email.  I forwarded it back to you with all headers for inspection.05:51
@vaydecool.  It turned out there WAS a server issue05:51
@vaydeI finally got all the test emails I sent out this afternoon.  Boy my 'delete' key got tired05:52
+perlDreamerespecially after handling a room of "monsters"05:52
@vaydeYeah, years ago we called them the 'baby class', but word got out, and they were offended.05:53
@vaydethen we started calling them the monsters, and word got out.  they're proud of it05:53
+perlDreamerit's amazing how labeling works05:55
@vaydeIt's a fun class. 4~6 yr olds.  Not the most technical class around mind you, but entertaining.05:56
@preactionthat's cute06:01
@preactionalmost as cute as kittens.06:02
+perlDreamerpreaction: maybe you'd like to go class and tell them that?06:02
+perlDreamerI can see it now06:02
@preactionand have them beat the crap out of me? my gf's 6-year old brother already does that, and he isn't being training in martial art06:02
+perlDreamervayde can fix that...06:03
@preactiontrue, though i'm not sure what martial art vayde teaches06:03
+perlDreamerW.A.06:03
@preactionthat means nothing to me :(06:03
+perlDreamerit's a redneck term.  Whoop Ass06:04
@vaydeHsing-I, Bagua, Taiji, Northern Shaolin Longfist, and Southern Hung Gar06:04
@preactionah06:04
@preactionand now i know as much as i did before ;)06:04
+perlDreamerusually stored in cans, hence the phrase, "Open up a can of Whoop Ass on you"06:04
@vaydeI'll show you guys a bit of it when we're in person06:04
@preactioni imagine there are better disciplines for different types of people?06:05
@vaydeIt all comes down to physics and physiology.  The difference between styles is largely a matter of approach and taste06:05
+perlDreamerokay, needing a clue here.  Why would one use $asset->getValue('assetProperty') instead of $asset->get('assetProperty')?06:05
@preactionpd: i believe getValue has the added benefit of looking at the form first. at least, from the docs i read on it?06:07
@preactionit sounded to me like you could use $asset->getValue() as the value of a form element in an asset edit form and it would automatically survive preview / edit errors06:07
+crythiassorry for delay... perlDreamer. I'm fine.06:07
@preactionof course, i've never used it as such06:07
+perlDreamerpreaction: I think the docs lie06:08
@preactioni do too, because i didn't see anything referring to session->form06:08
+perlDreamerpinging rizen.06:08
+perlDreamerrizen, please report to IRC to beat your clueless volunteer dev06:08
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+cluelessnewbwhat's a webgui? izzat like a browser?06:10
+perlDreamernaw06:11
+perlDreamerpreaction: getValue just looks like it dupes some of the code in new, for providing defaults from the definition sub.06:12
@preactionperlbot be cluelessnewb 06:13
perlbot<cluelessnewb> How I can make teh web wit pearl?!?!06:13
+cluelessnewbhow do I get webgui off of me?06:13
+perlDreamercluelessnewb: lava soap and a camel hair brush06:13
+perlDreamereither that, or wd4006:14
+perlDreamerit fixes everything06:14
+cluelessnewbwebgui sounds like something a spider shoots out of its butt.06:14
+cluelessnewbcan you imagine Spderman being more anatomically correct?06:15
@vaydemy gf thought the mascot should be cthlulu06:15
@preactionomg gooey totally reminds me of a baby cthlulu06:15
@vaydethat's what she said too06:15
@vaydethat's alright though, remember, 'evil' spelled backwards is 'live'06:16
+cluelessnewband Maisey backwards is es I am06:17
+cluelessnewbYes I am06:17
@preactionNaomi I moan06:17
@preactionA toyota's a toyota06:17
@preactionA dog! A panic in a pagoda!06:17
+cluelessnewbA man a plan a canal. Panama.06:18
@vaydeIf I could reach you, I would hurt you06:18
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@preactioni palindome i!06:19
@preactionsomeday mother will die and i'll get the money06:19
+crythiasI can't believe it's not butter.06:20
@rizenlet the beating commence06:22
* PedersenMJ breaks out the popcorn.06:22
+perlDreamergreetings, sensei.  Why does one use getValue vs get?06:22
@vaydehajime!06:22
+Radix-wrk!Ah Satan - Natasha!06:22
+crythiasSpeaking of Cthulhu ... http://www.electric-escape.net/node/142506:22
@vaydeI got a button for christmas that said: "Jesus saves, Moses invests, Cthulu forcloses!"06:24
@rizenget is the value stored in the db06:24
@rizengetValue is a helper06:24
@rizenit checks the value from form() first06:24
@rizen$session->form->param()06:24
@rizenthen gets the value from the db06:24
@rizenthen gets the default06:24
@rizenso basically, if the form value exists, it uses that06:25
+perlDreamerthe form->param part is missing from getValue06:25
@rizenit is?06:25
+perlDreameryup06:25
@rizeni wonder when it was removed06:25
+perlDreamerbefore rev 115206:27
+Radix-wrkhttp://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=240106:27
+perlDreamerbefore rev 2406:27
+perlDreamera very long time ago06:28
+perlDreamerare the CVS archives still online?06:28
@rizenhmmm...perhaps i removed it on purpose06:29
@rizenif it's been gone that long06:29
@rizenthen it probably shouldn't be there06:29
@rizenand i just don't remember it06:29
+perlDreamerso the real difference is that get gives you values from the db, and getValue will give you values from the db OR defaults from the definition sub.06:30
@rizenyup06:31
@rizenwe probably don't need getValue() anymore06:32
@rizenwe can probably change get() to do that06:32
@rizenand then write getValue() out of existence in the 8.x series06:32
@rizenbut that's so far off, who cares06:32
+perlDreameror new could pull defaults out of the def sub06:32
+perlDreamerthen we could drop getValue and leave get as is06:33
@rizeneither or...but for now it stays as is06:33
@rizenas i said, who cares06:33
@rizenit's too far off to start thinking about 8.x now06:33
+perlDreamergot it, chief06:33
+perlDreamerI'll update the POD06:34
+perlDreamerI'll send you a Beating IOU, for another time06:36
@rizenbah...no need06:37
@rizeni'll just take it out on sarah06:37
@rizen=)06:37
+perlDreameroh dear06:37
+perlDreameroh, while you're here, care to confirm or deny the rumor of WebGUI-Microsoft connection?06:38
+Radix-wrkheh06:39
@rizenwhat have you heard06:39
@rizeni will admit there have been talks06:39
+perlDreamerwell, it seems strange that several PB people would choose to move to the only city whose airport letters are MSN06:40
+perlDreamerfrom there it was easy to connect the dots06:40
+perlDreamerincreased workload06:40
+perlDreamerdecreased productivity06:40
+perlDreamer(everyone moved to using Microsoft desktops)06:40
@vaydemaybe you should hand over that IOU after all...06:41
@rizenpd: you know why i hired vayde, right?06:41
@rizenit's to conduct beatings on my behalf06:42
@rizenall i can do is brute force the beatings06:42
+perlDreamerHe's a db expert06:42
+perlDreamer(Designated Beater)06:42
@rizenbut he knows how to kill you in 6 different styles06:42
@vaydeI'm the complaint department06:42
+Radix-wrkheh06:42
+Radix-wrkheh.. PB Support board just hit 100000 views06:45
+Radix-wrkhttp://www.plainblack.com/discuss06:46
@rizenthat seems very low06:46
+Radix-wrkrizen: could you do me a favour and rate my rfe when you have a minute?06:47
+Radix-wrkhttp://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/additional-post-template-variables-for-cs06:47
+Radix-wrkCompared to the other forums it seems low, but obviously only support users can see the forum, so it's pretty impressive if you look at it that way06:49
@rizentrue06:50
@rizeni don't like your RFE's radix06:50
+Radix-wrkwhy?06:50
@rizenmostly because they are written by you06:52
+Radix-wrk:P06:52
@rizenwhat if i told you that you can already do this06:53
+Radix-wrkhow?  I'd love to know06:53
@rizenand even moreso than that, it has far more power than what you're asking for06:53
+perlDreamer"dumber than a box of rocks"  rjacobsen is too funny06:54
@rizenwhat is this information worth to you?06:54
@rizenperhaps you will punch perlDreamer in the arm?06:54
+Radix-wrksure06:55
@rizenhehe06:55
+perlDreamerleft arm please, I have to perform this weekend06:55
@vaydeooh!  ooh!  pick me!06:55
@rizenthe answer you are looking for is ^-;06:55
@rizenlet's say you write an article^-; that looks like this06:56
@rizenyour synopsis will now be "let's say you write an article"06:56
@rizenthe ^-; special character tells webgui where you want to grab the synopsis from06:57
@rizenso rather than taking after the first carriage return06:57
@rizenit will stop at ^-;06:57
@rizenwherever that is in the text06:57
@rizenin addition to that06:57
+Radix-wrkAhh.. well there's a macro I never knew existed.  You're right, that works a treat.06:57
@rizenit's not a macro06:57
@rizenit's just s special sequence of characters06:58
@rizenanyway...in addition to that, you can actually go one step further06:58
@rizenyou can expose the synopsis field directly06:58
@rizenthen you can type something wholly new into the synopsis if you like06:58
@rizenanyway...i'm going to go ahead and delete your RFE06:59
+Radix-wrkk06:59
@rizenbecause i would have rejected it anyway06:59
@rizenadding variables like those to the collaboration system would have slowed it down tremendouslyy07:00
@rizengo forth and share this knowledge07:01
@rizenin the form of a wiki article07:01
+Radix-wrkfair enough - preaction did mention that too - but he didn't tell me about ^-;07:01
@rizenhe probably didn't know about it07:01
+perlDreamerIt also works in the Article07:01
@rizentrue 07:02
@rizenmost people don't even know that the article asset supports pagination07:02
+perlDreamermost people don't read the docs, that's why07:03
+Radix-wrkHappy to write a wiki article for it - though I don't follow the step further you described or how I would do any of that07:03
@rizenit's actually already done for you07:03
@rizentake a look at the "submission form" template vs the "post form" template07:03
@rizensubmission form sets up the synopsis as a separate field07:04
+perlDreamerthat's another good thing to mention.  The marker only works if there is no explicit synopsis.07:06
+Radix-wrkSo is this documented anywhere currently?07:08
+perlDreamerno07:08
+perlDreamerit is now, but only in the template variables.07:11
+perlDreamerWe can't document it via hover help since there's no hover help for the Post Edit form.07:12
+perlDreamerthat's why a wiki article would be great07:12
+Radix-wrkany ideas what the wiki article name should be called?07:13
+perlDreamerrizen's righteous post content synopsis marker07:13
+Radix-wrkI'll write one up now, and at least to describe how to use it in collaboration system posts07:13
PedersenMJpost title: How To Add A Synopsis To Your Collaboration System Posts07:16
@rizenhey pedersenmj07:16
@rizeni've been meaning to talk to you07:16
PedersenMJUh-oh...07:17
@rizenone of our hosting customers just launched a new site07:17
@rizenthat i think you'll want to check out07:17
PedersenMJDone esta?07:17
@rizenhttp://www.playstationnationpodcast.com/07:17
PedersenMJDonde esta, even?07:17
+Radix-wrkhehe.. cool07:17
+Radix-wrkburned theme07:17
PedersenMJToo cool!07:17
PedersenMJThat totally took me by surprise. Thank you :)07:18
@rizenso see07:18
@rizenyour work paid off already07:18
@rizenyou should do more of those for the contest we have going on right now07:18
+Radix-wrkneeds to be original work tho07:18
PedersenMJI'm going to. Calypso is going to go up this week. I think MultiFlex next week.07:18
@rizennope07:18
@rizeni had kristi change the rules07:19
PedersenMJDunno which one for the week after, though.07:19
+Radix-wrkOh?07:19
@rizenyou can use open source designs07:19
@rizenprovided you provide a link back to the original07:19
@rizenso we know you didn't rip it off07:19
+Radix-wrkOh cool.. means I could look at entering too then07:19
@rizensweet07:19
+Radix-wrkI could never do my own.. but I can rip off someone elses witht he best of them ;)07:19
+perlDreamerandreas0107:20
PedersenMJDitto here. I suck at original, but rip a theme? That's easy.07:20
@rizenoh btw guys, i'll be sending out your schwag and whatnot next week for the wiki contest07:20
@rizeni'm a little behind07:20
@rizensorry about that07:20
+Radix-wrknp :)07:21
PedersenMJThat's cool.07:21
@rizenwe're short two people, and i have another on vacation07:21
@rizenso i'm working 4 jobs right now07:21
@rizen=)07:21
PedersenMJIf I'm really lucky, I can get a bit more outta the theme contest ;)07:21
@rizentrue07:21
@rizenanyway...gotta get some sleep07:21
@rizenlater07:21
PedersenMJl8r07:22
+perlDreamerhe works too hard07:22
+perlDreamerBill should give him a raise07:22
@vaydeBill?07:24
+perlDreamerGates07:24
@vaydelol07:24
+Radix-wrkhttp://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/how-to-add-a-synopsis-to-your-collaboration-system-templates07:37
+perlDreamerRadix-*, you rock07:39
+Radix-wrkhopefully I've explained it well enough for ppl to understand07:39
PedersenMJRadix: What are post templates?07:44
PedersenMJhttp://www.bash.org/?2178407:47
+Radix-wrkhttp://www.plainblack.com/?op=viewHelp;hid=collaboration%20post%20list%20template%20variables;namespace=Asset_Collaboration07:50
+perlDreamerhaving re-re-vanquished the monster, our hero exists stage left07:50
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PedersenMJDamn, I didn't expect you to reply to that with anything other than a growl.07:51
@vaydeugh, need sleep.  Later gents07:52
@preactionyou people and your "sleep"07:53
@preactionit's so cute07:53
+Radix-wrkcya vayde07:53
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PedersenMJI'm heading for sleep too.07:53
+Radix-wrkwuss07:53
@preactionis it bad that i do not remember the last time i slept?07:53
PedersenMJYeah, I am. I start to pass out at 1am in a non-recoverable fashion.07:53
PedersenMJl8r all07:54
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+Radix-wrksleep probs preaction?07:56
@preactionso much to do, caffiene to do it, caffiene causes inability to sleep, then eventually it becomes "if i sleep now, i won't get up in time for *"07:56
@preactionlike now: in order to make the meeting tomorrow at 8a, i need to drop my car off at the shop tonight, walk home. meaning another hour of wake-time07:57
@preactionmeaning 6.5 hours of sleep07:57
+Radix-wrkbetter than nothing07:57
@preactionas JT said, we're working more than one person's job :p07:57
+Radix-wrkHe mentioned that you guys are down two people - roy is one obviously.. who was the other?07:58
@preactionDrake08:00
@preactionleft before the new year08:00
+Radix-wrkHe was barely a blip on the radar really08:00
@preactiondurno, he was hired before i was. i think instead of me actually08:01
+Radix-wrkhe was hired around the same time the WUC was on.. I spoke to him briefly then and he was only just starting08:01
+Radix-wrkSo September to December - maybe two/three months..08:02
@preactionyeah, if it weren't for him, you'd've been meeting me ;)08:02
@preaction18 years old, i still can't believe it08:02
+Radix-wrkeeks.. scary08:02
@preactioni would've been meek kitten though, instead, when you meet me, i get to be power-webgui-god08:03
@preactioni'll need a suit08:03
+Radix-wrkheh08:03
@preactiona white suit08:03
@preactionwhite top hat and cane08:03
@preactionunf08:03
+Radix-wrksounds like a photo op - with your gf dressed up next to ya ;)08:04
@preactionpfft, i'll get my hos on my wings, boi08:05
@preactionanyway, gone drop car off / sleep. cya08:13
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wgGuest84hello11:20
wgGuest84i need some help on troubleshooting webgui 7.3.13 installation11:20
wgGuest84can I get help from somebody ?11:22
+Radix-wrkwassup11:23
+Radix-wrkcan't guarantee i can help, but I can listen! :)11:23
wgGuest84thnx11:24
wgGuest84i installed webgui 7.3.1311:24
wgGuest84and did all the setup11:24
wgGuest84when I try to run the apache +11:24
wgGuest84Starting WebGUI 7.3.1311:25
wgGuest84Loading www.domain.com.conf11:25
wgGuest84WebGUI Started!11:25
wgGuest84usr/local/apache2/bin/apachectl: line 78:  5622 7d424e863057307e3057305f            $HTTPD -k $ARGV11:25
wgGuest84and the server stops responding for a while11:25
wgGuest84i checked with # /data/WebGUI/sbin/perl preload.perl 11:25
wgGuest84it shows: +11:25
wgGuest84Can't locate object method "server" via package "Apache2::ServerUtil" at preload.perl line 57..11:26
wgGuest84i posted this trouble in forum (last message in http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/cant-locate-object-method-server/3)11:26
wgGuest84can you please give me any idea ?11:27
wgGuest84r u listening Radix-wrk ?11:41
+Radix-wrkSorry.. was busy for a bit then.. lemme catch up.11:43
+Radix-wrkHow are you installing webgui?  are you using the WRE?11:43
wgGuest84no11:44
wgGuest84from source11:44
wgGuest84in a centOS11:44
+Radix-wrkokay.. have you checked your perl setup using /data/WebGUI/sbin/testEnvironment.pl11:44
wgGuest84yes..11:44
+Radix-wrkSounds like a perl module is missing from the error message, but not sure what it would be I'm afraid.11:46
+Radix-wrkAny particular reason you're not using the WRE?11:46
wgGuest84i checked.. Apache2::ServerUtil is there11:46
wgGuest84actually I am preparing a development server.. where there will be a lots of changes in source11:47
+Radix-wrkWebGUI has a lot of perl dependencies, and the WRE is the recommended installation method for this very reason11:47
+Radix-wrkthere is a WRE installation for centos though, and it makes life soooo much easier11:48
+Radix-wrkthat's what we're using11:48
wgGuest84actually I used another previous version before 11:48
wgGuest847.3... 11:48
wgGuest84i installed from source that time..11:49
wgGuest84but didnt face such problem11:49
wgGuest84it's a requirement anyway to install from the source11:49
wgGuest84i am stucked with this error from yesterday :(11:49
+Radix-wrkI don't know I'm afraid.. it sounds like there's a missing perl module that isn't tested in testEnvironment, but not sure how to fix it offhand.11:50
+Radix-wrkMost of the developers are asleep at the moment, preaction and rizen might be able to tell you what it is when they wake up.11:50
wgGuest84could u have a look in the details of my problem that i posted in the forum?11:51
+Radix-wrkbut that probably won't be for several hours - it's the middle of the night for them atm11:51
wgGuest84i c11:51
+Radix-wrkyeah, I've had a look - I'm not that familiar with the source install and perl modules needed these days tho11:51
wgGuest84i c11:51
+Radix-wrkI use Centos myself, but I installed the WRE for it11:51
+Radix-wrkit is THE best way to install webgui - without a doubt11:51
+Radix-wrkI can do a base install of webgui on centos within minutes11:52
+Radix-wrkusing the wre for rhel411:52
wgGuest84but since there is a source release.. that is of some use surely like we are using..:)11:52
wgGuest84in fact webGUI did great on our last project..11:53
+Radix-wrkYeah, I haven't used a source install since version 6.8 tho11:53
wgGuest84so, what do u suggest as of now ?11:53
+Radix-wrkI was having odd issues with perl modules on my previous setup and when i switched to the WRE they all went away - I've been with the WRE ever since11:53
+Radix-wrkI'd highly recommend taking a look at the WRE if you can11:54
+Radix-wrkif you must stick with a source install, I'd come back in say 5-6 hours and try and catch preaction or rizen11:54
wgGuest84is it like.. installing from WRE then I can use the source installation ?11:54
+Radix-wrkthe WRE gives you all of the perl source if that's what you mean11:55
+Radix-wrkthe WRE is a tar.gz file that contains everything you need to run WebGUI - all the perl modules, mysql, apache, etc all in one big file11:55
+Radix-wrkwell.. kinda.. it downloads the latest webgui source and installs that really11:56
+Radix-wrkthe WRE is everything you need to RUN webgui11:56
wgGuest84o..the team leader just solved the problem11:56
wgGuest84webGUI is now running fine11:56
+Radix-wrkexcellent11:56
+Radix-wrkwhat was it then?11:56
+Radix-wrkI'd still recommend the WRE.  Using the wre simplifies upgrades and comes with fully preconfigured apache optimised for webgui.  It also has some nice scripts to quickly add new webgui websites with ease11:58
+Radix-wrkit also makes backing up and cloning a webgui setup so much easier - just copy one directory onto a blank system.11:59
wgGuest84sorry.. was talking to him11:59
+Radix-wrkNo probs11:59
wgGuest84actually he changed some settings in apache-> httpd.conf11:59
wgGuest84he added user "daemon" and Group "daemon" 11:59
wgGuest84probably its the spectre who needs those12:00
+Radix-wrkwierd.. didn't sound like that was where the problem was to me.. but if it fixed it who am I to argue! :)12:00
wgGuest84:)12:00
wgGuest84yeah.. the error message was misleading12:01
+Radix-wrkI'm afraid I'm gonna head off.. 5pm here (and 6pm for you I suspect) - have a good easter! :)12:01
wgGuest84o..thanks12:01
wgGuest84it ws nice talking to u12:01
+Radix-wrkDo itashimashite!12:01
wgGuest84wow !!12:01
wgGuest84u know japanese12:01
wgGuest84btw... where r u ?12:01
+Radix-wrkI know a little12:02
+Radix-wrkfrom Perth, Western Australia12:02
wgGuest84i c12:02
wgGuest84one question if u dont mind12:02
+Radix-wrkI've been to tokyo though and know a lot of japanese :)12:02
wgGuest84how can i join this irc channel from visual iRC12:02
wgGuest84( that's cool :) )12:02
+Radix-wrkjump on the server irc.freenode.net I think and the channel is #webgui12:02
wgGuest84i couldnt find irc.freenode.net.. actually I am not much used to use IRC12:03
+Radix-wrktry using something like /server irc.freenode.net and it should get you here12:03
+Radix-wrkthen /join #webgui12:03
wgGuest84o...i will try.. 12:03
wgGuest84thanks a lot for ur help12:04
+Radix-wrkno probs.. hope to see you here more often in future!12:04
wgGuest84i hope too :)12:04
+Radix-wrklots of useful and interesting stuff gets discussed here, so worthwhile dropping in and idling like I do :)12:04
wgGuest84that's good.. i would like to do that..12:04
+Radix-wrkja ne!12:04
wgGuest84arigatou-gozaimasu12:05
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syedmnick sstanvir13:08
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+Radix_Home! :)13:09
sstanvirgood :)13:10
sstanvirso.. that ws ur work nick Radix_wrk ?13:10
+Radix_yup13:10
sstanviri ws also thinking so13:10
sstanvirmystery is my problem came back again :(13:11
+Radix_what do the apache logs say?13:12
+Radix_and what is in webgui.log13:12
+Radix_perlbot paste13:12
perlbotPaste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it.13:12
sstanvirin the apache log nothing13:12
+Radix_You can paste the info using one of those instead of spamming it to the channel13:12
sstanviri c, ok13:13
sstanvirthnx for the info13:13
+Radix_np13:13
sstanvirbut I dont want to disturb u with the issues 13:13
sstanvirotsukare-sama-desu :)13:13
+Radix_With your dev box.. do you have anything else on it?13:14
+Radix_or is it set up just for webgui?13:14
sstanvirits newly setup13:15
+Radix_If it's just for webgui, then there's absolutely no reason not to use the WRE13:15
+Radix_you can install the wre and webgui within minutes on a blank centos box13:15
sstanviractuallly what is the difference between the WRE and the source release ?13:15
+Radix_the WRE is everything you need to run WebGUI - so it's a special distribution of apache/mysql/perl and all the perl modules webgui depends on.  It also includes scripts to help you get started quickly with Webgui.13:16
+Radix_It doesn't actually include webgui itself - it downloads that as part of the setup13:17
sstanviri c13:17
sstanvirbrb13:18
+Radix_with centos I generally do a basic install, no mysql, apache, perl, etc at all installed13:20
+Radix_then you install the wre and run the setup13:20
sstanvirunderstood13:20
sstanviractually it depends on the team leader.. I will try to convince him13:21
+Radix_the only gotcha I've found is you need to make sure you delete any /etc/my.cnf files that might be there13:21
+Radix_I might point out that the WRE is the recommended method for using webgui according to plainblack - and the best way to get support also13:22
+Radix_there's info in the wiki on doing an install too13:22
sstanviryes.. i checked the web13:23
sstanvirit looks simple to install from the wre.. 13:24
+Radix_it is.. it's great :)13:25
sstanviryou already convinced me13:25
+Radix_good.. my job is done here then ;)13:25
sstanvirhaha13:25
sstanvirbut now is the toughest part to convince the Tl 13:26
sstanviranyway...13:26
sstanvirthanks a lot for ur time13:26
+Radix_Good luck! :)13:26
+Radix_time for me to get supplies for the easter long weekend here :)13:26
+Radix_four days holiday have just started for me :)13:26
sstanvirwow!13:26
sstanviri am sure u have lots of plans13:27
+Radix_got a friend's wedding to attend, and looks like we might be doing some archery and some karaoke this weekend too.. should be fun! :)13:27
sstanvirgreat13:27
sstanvirHave a nice holidays !!13:27
sstanvirCatch you again!13:28
sstanvirbye13:29
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nubanice holidays folks!15:04
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SDuensinGood morningish.18:20
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perlmonkey2quiet today20:51
+perlDreamermuy20:51
perlmonkey2webgui religious holiday?20:51
+perlDreamerhow goes the Moose rewrite?20:51
perlmonkey2heh20:51
perlmonkey2I think I'll focus my extra time on p6.20:51
+perlDreamerI did some p6 test suite hacking for a few weeks20:52
+perlDreamerthen the spec changed from under me20:52
+perlDreamerso I worked around it20:52
+perlDreamerthen it changed again, and I gave up20:52
perlmonkey2a very fluid dev env.20:52
+perlDreamerit is20:53
+perlDreamerwhich allows for very powerful dynamics20:53
+perlDreamerbut also exposes you to lots of criticism from outside observers20:53
perlmonkey2I only take criticism from Perl::Critic.20:54
perlmonkey2or anyone else who bothers to tell me my work is crap ;)20:54
@vaydeWe need a wG forum/nick translation hash.21:10
+perlDreamercan gooeybot help us?21:13
+perlDreameror perlbot?21:14
+perlDreamerperlbot: rizen?21:14
+perlDreamerperlbot: perlDreamer?21:16
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@vayde:q21:24
@vaydeoops, wrong window ;P21:24
+perlDreamerNever quit, never surrender21:25
@vaydethat file couldn't handle any more attention from me21:25
@vaydethe wimp21:25
ckotilperlbot channel log22:12
@rizenperlbot: perlbot?22:14
perlbotPerl OO tricks and examples - http://perldoc.perl.org/perlbot.html22:14
ckotilperlbot: log22:15
ckotilperlbot: log?22:15
ckotilbah, perlbot isnt playing nice22:16
@rizenperlbot, rizen is JT, the creator of WebGUI, aka TMRFE22:16
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@rizenperlbot: rizen?22:16
perlbotJT, the creator of WebGUI, aka TMRFE22:16
@rizenperlbot, perlDreamer is Colin Kuskie, Contributor of the Year, and jack of all trades22:16
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@rizenhow's that for your pd?22:17
@rizenperlbot, vayde Nik Ogura, aka bengchoi, aka Nik, is a WebGUI padawan learner22:18
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@rizenperlbot vayde?22:19
@rizenperlbot forget vayde Nik Ogura, aka bengchoi, aka Nik,22:19
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@rizenperlbot, vayde is Nik Ogura, aka bengchoi, aka Nik, is a WebGUI padawan learner22:19
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MrHairgreas1perlbot TMRFE?22:21
perlbotThe Man Responsible For Everything -- Sometimes you DO have someone to blame.22:21
MrHairgreas1perlbot pomade?22:22
MrHairgreas1perlbot MrHairgrease22:22
MrHairgreas1perlbot MrHairgrease?22:22
@vaydeJeez, I pop off for a bite, and everyone's talking about me behind my back22:25
@rizenperlbot, MrHairGrease is Martin Kamerbeek, aka MrCookingGrease, aka Eurotrash with sex appeal, and is a Contributor of the Year22:33
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+MrHairgreaseperlbot maxscience?22:35
+MrHairgreaseperlbot iPhoneGuy?22:35
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+MrHairgreaseha well, ignorance is bliss i think22:35
@rizenperlbot, maxscience is iPhoneGuy, some ridiculous bastard from Italy that bitches as loud as he can scream, but is unwilling to lift a finger to help out22:37
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@vaydesounds like there's quite a story there22:38
@preactionwhat's the WebGUI::Commerce::Item->handler sub for? is it executed after the item is purchased?22:38
@preactionafter checkout, say?22:38
@rizendont' know...i'd have to track it down in the code22:39
@rizenperhaps MrHairGrease knows22:39
@preactionthe docs for the sub say "this executes the handler". no real description of its actual purpose22:39
+MrHairgreasethe handler is executed on payment22:45
+MrHairgreaseit handles the group timeout extension for subscriptions for instance22:46
@preactionwhen the transaction is completed, i see now22:47
+MrHairgreaseyeah22:47
+MrHairgreaseand also on complete recurring payments22:47
@preactionwhich means technically there's no cart at that moment, correct?22:47
+MrHairgreaseyes22:48
+MrHairgreasewell22:48
+MrHairgreasei would think so22:48
+MrHairgreaseit has been some time since i last looked at it22:48
@preactionthe idea is this: i need the ID of the cart that the item belonged to22:49
+MrHairgreasecarts don't don't have an id22:49
+MrHairgreasea cart i tied to a session22:49
+MrHairgreasemaybe you mean the transaction id?22:49
@preactionthen how do carts survive across sessions?22:49
+MrHairgreasethey don't22:50
@preactionhow can i logout and log back in and still have items in my cart?22:50
+MrHairgreaseoh22:50
+MrHairgreaselet me see22:50
+MrHairgreasei know22:51
+MrHairgreaseif you log out22:51
+MrHairgreaseyour session id stays the same22:51
+MrHairgreasebut visiutor is tied to it22:51
+MrHairgreaseyeah22:52
+MrHairgreasethat must be it22:52
+MrHairgreaseWG::C::ShoppingCart->new doesn't have any userId awareness22:53
+MrHairgreaseonly sessionId22:53
@vaydeIs there an easy way to tell when a modification was placed into the core?  Right now I'm doing it the hard way, but downloading the old version, untarring it and looking at the file.  We're all way to lazy to put up with that b.s. for long22:57
@preactionsvn blame22:58
@preactiongives you the revision number of lines of the code iirc22:58
@vaydethanks 22:59
@vaydeOk, now having found the right svn version, how do I relate that to an actual release?  (I'm very new to svn)23:02
@preactionhttp://svn.webgui.org <- look up the messages around the revision, the first one that says "X.X.X released" is the version it was in23:11
@vaydeahh.  little things that make all the difference.  thanks23:11
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@vaydeWow, JT asked me about the picture of me on my studio website, so I sent him an older one, his reaction was so violent that it crashed both my IRC client, and Gaim.23:32
@vaydeNow that's some bad-assed kung fu!23:32
+MrHairgreaseshow it! show it!23:33
@vaydeum, how do I do that here?  It's not online23:33
+MrHairgreaseoh23:34
+perlDreamerpost it on PB.com in the contribs area?23:34
@preaction>_> <_> <_<23:34
+perlDreameremail it out?23:34
@preaction^(--@^@--)>23:34
@preactionyoutube!23:34
@preactionshow us the monsters!23:34
+MrHairgreasehttp://www.themonsters.ch23:34
+MrHairgreasetomorrow I'm gonna see them play in utrecht23:35
@preactionnice23:36
+perlDreamerthey suck.  Their website uses frames.23:37
+MrHairgreasewho cares23:38
+MrHairgreaseI'm not going all the way to utrecht just to watch their stupid website =)23:38
@vaydehttp://www.uma-mn.com/Pics/Rennaissance.JPG23:38
@vaydethat's about 12 - 15 yrs old23:39
@vayde12-15 years ago anyway23:39
@vaydehttp://www.uma-mn.com/Pics/img_2672.jpg23:39
@vaydethat's last year23:39
* MrHairgrease 's gaim is about to implode23:39
+MrHairgreasewhat is it?23:40
+MrHairgreasesome kind of medieval reenaction?23:40
@vaydethe thing next to the girl is me23:40
+MrHairgreasedidn't know you ware red dresses23:41
@vaydeheh23:41
+MrHairgreasethere's that eurotrash humor for you =)23:41
+MrHairgreasedon't even try to laugh23:41
@vaydeI sincerely you don't have girls over there with as much facial hair as I have.23:43
+MrHairgreasewho can what's what with all these costumes23:44
+MrHairgreasecan tell*23:44
@vaydewhat can I say, that's how the gf makes a living, working up those court gowns23:44
+MrHairgreaseok23:46
+MrHairgreasebut i can imagine jt's reaction23:47
@vaydehe brought it up23:48
SDuensinDang vayde - looked at your pics.  Now I want to go to Pennsic again.23:50
@vaydePennsic?23:50
* SDuensin smacks his head23:51
SDuensinOnly the largest SCA event ever.23:51
@vaydeAhh.23:51
SDuensinhttp://www.pennsic.net/23:51
@vaydeI had bad experiences with the SVA crowd.  I hope they're better these days23:51
SDuensinProbably depends on the group.  I've never had problems myself.  Now some other groups, that's a different story.23:52
@vaydeOne incident when I was berated for my heraldic design from a guy who was wearing a metal watch, photogrey glasses, and had his armor held together with duct tape23:52
SDuensinhehehehe23:52
SDuensinYou'd have been proud of me.  Some chick with frickin' skull and crossbones tights and elf ears wandered into our camp.  I chased her off with Yard Guard.23:58
@vaydeLOL23:59
SDuensin"We're gypsies!"  No, you're morons.23:59
--- Day changed Fri Apr 06 2007
SDuensinI'm no authenticity police, but man, come on - at least try.  Elf ears?!00:00
* SDuensin doesn't mind the Coke can at feast.00:00
@vaydeI have fun.  The gf's daughter is 16, and very popular with the lads.  I get to growl and stomp.  "Hi there you must be the new vict- er boyfriend"00:01
SDuensinehhehe00:01
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+perlDreamermaybe they'd like to come to the 5-year old class to help out?00:26
+perlDreamerThey're only five years old, after all...00:27
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@rizeni need some opinions00:32
@rizenwho's got em to spare?00:32
+MrHairgreasesure00:32
+perlDreameryo00:32
@rizenhttp://jt.plainblack.com/uploads/DZ/Hu/DZHuIEGTBk7z_HU-JOW-iw/Webgui-site-rev4.jpg00:32
+MrHairgreasepositive or negative?00:32
@rizenhonest00:32
+MrHairgreaseyou suck =)00:33
@rizenthis is the potential design for the new webgui.org00:33
@rizensplit off from plainblack.com00:33
@rizeni'm pretty happy with it00:33
@rizenbut before we proceed, i'd like a few gut reactions00:33
+perlDreamernot bad for a front page00:33
+MrHairgreasethe design is good00:34
+MrHairgreasebut i don't like the yellow00:34
+perlDreamerwhat does real front page look like (the one that analogs pb.com/support)?00:34
@rizenpd, this isn't about content00:34
@rizenthis is about style00:34
+MrHairgreasewhat is good00:34
+MrHairgreaseat least i guess00:34
+MrHairgreaseis that is does not have the generic-clean-look that mambo and joomla etc have00:35
+MrHairgreaseit kinda makes it stand out00:35
+MrHairgreaseotoh those 'clean' layouts have a more professional touch00:35
+MrHairgreasesober like the tax department00:36
+MrHairgreasealso00:37
@rizeni think it looks clean, it's just not sparse like those00:37
+MrHairgreasei don't like the blue webgui logo00:37
@rizenthe logo is orange like always00:37
+MrHairgreaseleft of that00:37
@rizenor do you mean the font that says "webgui"00:37
+MrHairgreaseyeah00:37
+MrHairgreasethe font is just not my thing00:37
@rizenok, it's one thing to say that you don't like the colors (yellow background, blue font), but i need to know why00:38
+MrHairgreaseit has this 90's a have website appeal00:38
@rizenwithout the why, i can't change it to something good00:38
+MrHairgreaseok00:38
+MrHairgreaselet me think on how to word that00:38
@rizenso you also don't like the modern font?00:38
@rizenin addition to the color?00:38
+MrHairgreaseyes00:40
+MrHairgreaseand it's background00:40
+MrHairgreaseit just doesn't fit in with the rest00:40
@vaydeI think the yellow draws the attention away from the content.  It should frame it, point it up, not overwhelm it00:40
+MrHairgreasei guess why i don't like the color is00:40
+MrHairgreaseb/c their 'weak' 00:41
+perlDreamerit needs more content area00:41
+MrHairgreasei know the dutch word00:41
+MrHairgreasebut i dunno the translation00:41
@vaydemore content area, yeah.  content seems buried00:41
+MrHairgreaseno00:41
+MrHairgreaselittle content on the frontpage is good00:41
+MrHairgreasepeople will only read two lines or so00:41
+perlDreamerbut rizen said this is "the style"00:41
+perlDreamerare sub-page style different rizen?00:42
@vayderight, but that's what we're talking about00:42
+MrHairgreasethe download button is good00:42
+MrHairgreasevery visible00:42
@vaydenot necessarily what the content is, but the balance between the content area and the stuff on the left seems visually off.00:42
+perlDreamerthe links to the forums and wiki needs to be as visible00:43
@rizenthe design you're looking at is the front page design, but all the other pages will be a variation on a theme00:44
@rizenfor example00:44
+MrHairgreaseyeah, but that's those three buttons below the content right?00:44
+perlDreamerif so, then I'm happy00:44
@rizenthe banner for the webgui conference is will not be on every page, that's only to show off an example crown00:44
@rizenon most content pages, the content section will be pushed up00:45
+MrHairgreasewhat i mean by colors and visibility is eg. the firebug page00:45
+MrHairgreasehttp://www.getfirebug.com/00:45
+MrHairgreasestrong colors00:45
@rizenalso the page will be stretchy, it won't be limited to the width you're seeing it at now00:45
+MrHairgreasebig content that says what the stuff does00:45
@rizenso there will be plenty of room for content00:45
+MrHairgreaseand a big install me button00:45
+perlDreamerLet me roll up my opinion.  I like it.  It's bright and different without looking bad.  Links to wiki and forum need to be prominent and content areas should be maximized .00:45
@rizenon the pages that need it the yellow strip on the right side will be stretched out, and the "recent discussion" macro will go in there00:46
@rizenMrHairGrease, I could also argue that the colors of the firebug site are weak00:47
@rizenmustard yellow is not a weak color00:47
@rizenit's not like canary yellow00:47
+MrHairgreaseyou asked my my opinion00:47
+perlDreamerhow does Gooey look on there?  does he clash?00:47
+MrHairgreasethat's one of the few things that is not negotiable with me =)00:47
@rizeni know...and i'm not trying to say that your opinion is wrong, just that i don't agree that the colors are weak00:48
+MrHairgreasewhat i mean with weak is their too pastel for my tastes00:48
@rizengooey looks great00:48
@rizengooey is pastel you moron00:48
@rizen=)00:48
+MrHairgreasenever said i liked gooey too =)00:48
+perlDreamerwatch out, them's fighting words!00:49
+perlDreamerinsulting a project's mascot is like making a website in baby-puke yellow00:49
+MrHairgreasenever had any children00:49
@rizenpurple and yellow are great colors together...that's part of the reason we chose yellow as the background color here00:49
+MrHairgreasewouldn't know what that looks like00:49
@rizenpurple and yellow are the colors of royalty00:49
+MrHairgreaseha00:50
+perlDreamertrust me on this one, MHG.  Given the bilious nature of stomach acid, it's baby-puke yellow.00:50
+MrHairgreasethe only royalty i care for is royaly sized drinks00:50
@vaydenot to mention the colors of the MN Vikings00:50
+MrHairgreasepd: thanks for the tip00:50
+perlDreamerBut this is Wisconsin.....?00:50
+MrHairgreasei'll put children on hold for even longer =)00:50
* SDuensin still doesn't like the yellow.00:51
@rizenwebgui is bigger than wisconsin00:51
+perlDreamerMrHairGrease, if you weaken and need a refresher, we can take care of you.00:51
+MrHairgreasepd thanks00:51
@rizenSDuensin...is it because you don't like yellow as a color, or the particular yellows that we've chosen?00:51
+MrHairgreasenice to be able to count on people00:51
+MrHairgreaserizen, with weak is meant pale00:52
+MrHairgreasethat's the word i was looking for00:52
SDuensinI just don't care for it as the base color on a web site.00:52
@rizenso your bias is against yellow in general then00:53
@rizennot specifically the colors we've chosen00:53
SDuensinYea00:53
@rizenok...quick poll...who here won't like this design no matter what variety of yellow we put on it?00:55
+MrHairgreaseit's not really my taste00:56
SDuensinDesign is fine with me.  The font on the lozenges is a bit hard to read.00:56
@vaydethe lozenge font is hard to read00:57
@rizenwe'll be using a different font on the lozenge when we go out, cuz i can't read it either00:57
@vaydethe Z's could be taken for an attempt at a lower case L00:57
+MrHairgreaseit's the same font as the webgui image00:58
+MrHairgreasenext to the logo00:58
@rizenyeah, but big you can read it. small you can't00:58
@rizensome fonts are just like that00:58
@vaydeIt's cool, it just takes a couple more seconds to decipher00:58
+MrHairgreasevayde don't you worry about that photo you sent jt01:23
+MrHairgreasecheck this out:01:23
+MrHairgreasehttp://jt.plainblack.com/uploads/ph/Wv/phWv1xzJkxfxxHor9fVVew/jt_face.jpg01:23
@rizenthat's a beautiful face01:24
+perlDreamerit's the face of death!01:25
+perlDreameror at least badly hungover01:25
@rizenthis is an even better close-up, you can really see the detail in the eyes01:25
@rizenhttp://www.bownds.net/uploads/xW/WS/xWWS5RE23tXxpVwiFQbtkg/jteyes-small.jpg01:25
@preactionremind me to never do anything to annoy JT again01:26
+perlDreamerdon't call him sweetie, preaction01:26
@preactioncheckaroonie01:26
+perlDreamerit makes his eyeballs spin in the other direction01:26
@rizenoooh...and the hand tatoo http://www.bownds.net/uploads/xW/WS/xWWS5RE23tXxpVwiFQbtkg/jt_side.jpg01:26
+MrHairgreaseperlbot carebare is the ever cuddly rizen01:26
perlbotadded carebare to the database01:26
@preactionrizen: LARP?01:26
@rizennope...halloween 200201:27
@preactionah01:27
+perlDreamerperlbot: LARP?01:27
+MrHairgreaseha01:27
+perlDreamerLos Angeles Riot Police?01:27
@rizena little less scary in 2004: http://www.bownds.net/uploads/nW/GU/nWGUUFrr4y5NA-9ko6xt4w/jt_and_sarah_as_fred_and_wilma.jpg01:27
@preactionperlbot LARP is Live-Action Role Playing -- One of the last vestiges of the uber-geek.01:27
perlbotadded LARP to the database01:27
+MrHairgreasethe 2nd image does remind me of something01:27
@rizenwhat jt would look like if he were dutch: http://www.bownds.net/uploads/K-/K4/K-K4NLygFyXYXeTJNUru3Q/PICT1224.JPG01:29
@preactionrizen: so I have this fix for the EMS / gama problem. What should I do with existing shopping carts / sessions that will create problems (since they don't have matching entries in the new table)? should i just delete them? expire the session perhaps? or just leave a note in the gotchas?01:29
+MrHairgreaseoh man01:30
+MrHairgreasei really need wooden shoes now01:30
@vaydedear sweet god!01:30
@rizenleave a note in the gotchas01:30
@preactionk01:30
@rizenand write some sort of an sql report that we can give to gama01:30
@rizenso they can sort out the mess01:30
+MrHairgreaseewww01:32
+MrHairgreasenever new ryan could be so gross01:32
+MrHairgreasehttp://jt.plainblack.com/uploads/R3/yz/R3yzI23c8d_3a9gGj9Msmg/ryan_kristi.jpg01:32
+MrHairgreaseanyway01:37
+MrHairgreasetime for those sweet dreams01:37
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@preactionrizen: should i go ahead and install the fix for gama? or will they have to wait for 7.3.15? there's an upgrade script, so i'd think wait, but the upgrade script will still work if it just happens to be run multiple times (create table if not exists)02:22
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@rizenif it will still work02:25
@rizenthen install it now02:25
@preactionk02:25
@rizenbe sure to backup their database before installing02:25
@preactionwill do02:25
SDuensinMuhahahaha - got WebGUI 7.3.14 running on my host.  So easy!03:49
SDuensinUsed the RHLE4 WRE.  My host is running CentOS4.  Works like a champ.03:54
@preactionwoohoo!04:04
@preactioni'm starting to understand the Event Management System. and i feel dirty04:06
SDuensinhehehe04:07
* SDuensin feels guilty for not hosting with PB.04:07
@preactionwhy? it's good to get more spread for webgui04:08
@preactionof course, why CentOS? why not ubuntu or debian?04:08
SDuensinThat's what my host uses.  I have a "virtual private server".  Full root access to do whatever I want.  $60 a month.  Not bad at all.04:09
@preactionnot bad indeed04:09
SDuensinThink it's safe to move a MySQL database by copying the files instead of doing a dump/reload?04:11
@preactionno04:11
SDuensin:-)04:12
@preactionunless the server is shut down04:12
@preactionthen ... good luck04:12
SDuensinThat was my gut feeling.04:12
* SDuensin has to move a mess of WebGUI sites to the new host.04:12
@preactionmake a remote login to one of the mysql servers, then it's as simple as:04:12
@preactionmysqldump -hhost1 <db1> | mysql -hhost2 <db2>04:13
SDuensinYea.  I used to do that to back up databases on a point of sale system I wrote.04:13
@preactionand then: scp -r host1:/data/domains host2:/data04:13
@preactionshell programming is fun04:14
SDuensin:-)04:14
@rizenyou should feel dirty for touching the ems, but not for understanding it04:14
@vaydeSo, no problems with wG on a virtual private server?04:31
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PedersenMJhey all04:33
@vayderizen, does a 'virtual private server' entail any special conditions for wG?04:35
SDuensinNope, vayde.  I simply turned off the existing Apache and loaded the WRE.04:35
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@vaydecool.  I had my old ISP asking for details about it.04:35
@rizennope. no special conditions04:36
@rizenbut you'll need a hell of a lot of ram in the physical server04:36
@rizenbecause each VPS will need at least 512 to make webgui run04:36
@rizenand it better be a multiprocessor box as well04:36
SDuensinIt is.  :-)04:37
SDuensinCould have more RAM, but I can get more later:   http://www.liquidweb.com/shared/plan4.htm04:37
sstanvirhello04:39
sstanvirI need some help04:39
@rizenvery cool sd04:39
@rizenwe'd like to offer vps, but it's just not worth it financially to us. you have to sell a lot of them to make it worth while04:40
@rizenplus we can't offer it cheap enough04:40
@rizenwhat sort of help sstanvir?04:40
SDuensinYea.  Like I said, I feel bad for not using PB, but I can't beat that price.  (And I can't afford PB.)04:40
sstanvirthnx for reply04:40
@vaydeI know a guy locally that will do it for $25/month.  Not sure what the hardware or details are though04:41
sstanviri posted the details here+04:41
sstanvirhttp://www.plainblack.com/install/upgrade_help/fresh-installation-of-webgui-7.3.13?layout=nested#idlOK_myX1AqKV_SeSmHWhZw04:41
sstanvirand here +04:41
sstanvirhttp://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/cant-locate-object-method-server/2/re-cant-locate-object-method-server04:41
sstanvir(the last message)04:41
sstanviri guess both relates to same problem.. may be due to perl installation ...04:42
PedersenMJsstanvir: Hang on, I run Debian unstable/testing at home, and have it working. That's a missing package. Lemme get the list.04:43
PedersenMJgooeybot pastebin04:44
sstanvirok04:44
PedersenMJDang, need a pastebin site, and can never remember where they are.04:44
PedersenMJperlbot tell me about pastebin04:44
sstanvir(FYI: i am installing in a CentOS)04:44
@rizenperlbot paste?04:45
perlbotPaste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it.04:45
SDuensinI just installed WebGUI on CentOS 4 using the RHLE4 WRE.  Worked like a champ.04:45
sstanvirbut I am installing from the source.. and I have to install from the source 04:45
PedersenMJhttp://sial.org/pbot/2404004:45
@rizenwhat are the results of the following commands:04:46
@rizenwhich perl04:46
@rizenperl -v04:46
SDuensinYou have to?  Why?04:46
sstanvirwhich perl -? /usr/local/bin/perl04:46
sstanvirperl -v - > This is perl, v5.8.8 built for i686-linux ....04:47
sstanvirSDuensin is asking the reason for installing from source? well.. actually I am preparing a development server for a project04:48
sstanvirand most vital reason is..it's the order from the management to install from the source :(04:48
SDuensinOh yea.  Very familiar with that reason.04:49
PedersenMJHmmm... Couldn't you do that by downloading the WRE source file, and compile that?04:49
sstanviractually I can't argue with that.. there are lots of policies.. or reasons04:50
sstanvirand obviously there is some reason to release webgui source.. right ?04:50
PedersenMJWait, I didn't read *your* part of the post, sstanvir: Your problem is more basic than that. Unless you *are* running www.domain.com04:50
PedersenMJspectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1012] - ADMIN: Couldn't connect to WebGUI site www.domain.com.conf04:51
sstanvirok..please read the post. if u have some time04:51
PedersenMJI did. I think.04:51
sstanvirok04:51
sstanviras per my knowledge I installed all the modules 04:52
sstanvirbut perl preloade.perl says.. can't find Apache2::ServerUtil-> server04:52
PedersenMJWhere did you install WebGUI to? /data/WebGUI ?04:52
sstanvirright04:52
PedersenMJls /data/WebGUI/etc/*.conf04:53
sstanvirwell: +04:53
sstanvirlog.conf spectre.conf  www.domain.com.conf04:54
PedersenMJOkay: Are you the webhost for domain.com ?04:54
sstanviryou mean DNS ?04:55
PedersenMJNo, I mean: Are you running the computer that will serve the pages if I point my browser to http://www.domain.com/04:55
sstanvirwe are just using a name for development.. moreover it's machine that doesn't even have a real IP04:56
PedersenMJThat's fine. But, unless I'm mistaken (and about to get a smackdown for it) spectre (a very critical piece of webgui) must be able to connect to what it *thinks* is a real domain.04:57
@preactionyou can use /etc/hosts to point spectre in the right direction04:57
@preactionbut don't use "domain.com", use "example.com", which is actually set aside by the ICANN for use in things like this04:57
@preactionor just use "localhost"04:57
PedersenMJYes, perfect suggestion. I was thinking I was going to need to find a good dns tutorial :)04:57
sstanviractually instead of domain we used some name   [domain].com04:58
@preactionmais oui04:59
sstanviri also did the installation of webgui before with webgui7...  some version.. 04:59
sstanvirthat time there was no such problem04:59
sstanvirso.. what r u suggesting..04:59
sstanviri have to have the same name in /etc/host as the www.domain.com.conf _05:00
sstanvir?05:00
PedersenMJSpectre is relatively new. I don't know which version started requiring it, but it was in the 7.x series. I think it was 7.2.05:00
@preactionyour server has to know what it is, right?05:00
@preaction6.99 started spectre05:00
@preactionwhich was the beta for 7.005:00
sstanvir(i installed 7.3.5 or 7.3.6 i guess before)05:01
PedersenMJ7.3.5 is a version that I *know* required spectre in order to operate properly.05:01
sstanviri know.. because I read about spectre and prepared some documents for office internal use on the configuration issues05:02
sstanviri found there are two different directory structure for perl in the server:05:04
sstanvirone is in /usr/local/lib/perl505:04
@rizenyeah, if you're using perl out of /usr/local05:04
PedersenMJBTW, sstanvir: I just ran "perl preload.perl" from the command line, and got the same issue (unable to locate method server), even though WebGUI runs fine.05:04
@rizenthen you also have one in /usr/bin05:04
sstanvirother is /usr/lib/perl505:05
@rizenare you using the apache that came with centos?05:05
sstanviri installed separately ..2.0.5905:05
@rizenand you told that new apache specifically where your new perl is?05:05
sstanviryes..u mean in httpd.conf?05:05
@rizenno..i mean at compile time05:05
@rizenwhen you compiled modperl05:06
@rizenyou had to tell it which perl to use05:06
@rizenif you didn't do that, then it's probably using the /usr/bin version05:06
@rizenrather than /usr/local05:06
sstanviri did one thing.. i linked the /usr/bin/perl to /usr/local/bin/perl05:06
@rizenin addition, since you compiled your own apache, you have to download and install libapreq2 from the apache site05:06
@rizenand compile that manually05:06
sstanviryes.. i did that too05:06
@rizendon't know what to tell you then. sounds like you did everything right05:07
PedersenMJsst: What do you you linked /usr/bin/perl to /usr/local/bin/perl?05:07
sstanvirsorry PedersenMJ...can u pls repeat the que05:08
@rizendoes "management" ever acutally log in to the server? if not, just use the WRE. wre-0.7.2-rhel4 was compiled on CentOS 405:08
@rizenyou'll save yourself piles and piles of headache05:08
PedersenMJsst: What do you mean when you say you "linked the /usr/bin/perl to /usr/local/bin/perl" ?05:09
sstanvirthnx rizen.. but my team leader is strict to install from the source05:09
sstanviri mean.. there was one /usr/bin/perl.. i guess from some previous installation05:09
sstanvirafter I install perl-5.8.8 , i found /usr/local/bin/perl05:09
@rizenand going back to the reason that we release as source...it's not so "management" can say install from source. it's so people that don't use the OS's we compile for can build for their own distro05:09
sstanvirunderstood rizen05:10
PedersenMJSo, sst: What did you do to make this link happen?05:10
sstanvirand pedersen.. to make sure that when i execute perl05:10
sstanvirit invokes the latest installation.. i linked the old binary to the new one05:10
@rizenhere's an idea if you're absolutely unwilling/unable to use the WRE...what you could do is download the WRE source tarball, and look at build.sh that comes with it05:10
@rizenthat will give you step by step instructions on the commands you need to use to compile successfully05:11
PedersenMJWhat command(s) did you use to link the old binary to the new one?05:11
sstanvirln -s05:11
sstanvirnow /usr/bin/ shows  : perl -> /usr/local/bin/perl05:12
@rizenhey peeps...the first new book is out05:12
@rizenhttp://www.lulu.com/content/77972305:12
SDuensinBooks!?05:12
@rizenand the b/w edition http://www.lulu.com/content/78000705:12
SDuensinBOOKS!05:12
SDuensinWHOO!05:12
PedersenMJAh, so instead of running "ln -s" you ran "ln -s /usr/local/bin/perl /usr/bin/perl". That's what I was trying to ascertain.05:12
sstanviryeah05:13
sstanvircomeon.. i am not much of an expert.. but i am not that stupid ;)05:13
PedersenMJOoof. $100 is a tough price for me to pay right now. But I would love to get it.05:14
PedersenMJsst: You could have done a number of different things when you say that you linked the two. I wanted to know which of the items on the list you had done, so I could provide ideas on where to look next to resolve any problems.05:18
PedersenMJEven saying you had done "ln -s" *still* left open quite a few possibilities, ranging from the simple ln command above, to a backwards version of it, to having written a script that would loop over everything under /usr/local, looking for perl files, and symlinking them back into the main /usr/lib/perl area to make sure you didn't accidentally use the one from /usr/local.05:19
sstanvirhmm05:21
sstanvirwhat if i just remove the /usr/bin/perl05:21
@preactionsstanvir: probably a Very Bad Idea (tm)05:22
PedersenMJA very real possibility for your issues right now is that your compilation of mod_perl for Apache picked up the include files under /usr/include, instead of the ones from /usr/local (assuming that they are there). Now, you run perl from /usr/local, and things look good there, but Apache (and mod_perl) don't see the same version you do, because they're not running the same code.05:22
sstanviri c05:23
sstanviryeah.. that could happen05:23
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PedersenMJSo, go with what rizen suggested: Download the WRE, follow the steps in build.sh. After that, make sure that your machine sees the hostname you expect Spectre to see, and thinks that that hostname points to itself (for instance, have "127.0.0.1 www.domain.com" in /etc/hosts 05:25
sstanvirconsidering the possibility that u mentioned about apache and mod_perl05:26
sstanvirwhat if I compile those again ?05:27
PedersenMJWell, wre contains Apache, mod_perl, and everything else. If you follow the full set of steps in build.sh, you'll be rebuilding them anyway.05:27
sstanvirunderstood05:28
sstanvirbut I thought as of now ..just to try compiling apache.. mod_perl ..05:28
PedersenMJGo for it. Worst thing that could happen is that you accidentally do rm -rf / and have to rebuild the server :)05:30
sstanvir:)05:30
sstanvirbtw.. when I installed apache2, 05:31
sstanviri did this: ./configure --with-z=/usr/local/lib 05:31
PedersenMJSince I don't know apache2 compile time options off the top of my head, I'll have to go with "Cool. Glad for you. Hope it helped."05:33
sstanvir:)05:33
sstanviroh man...05:33
sstanvirrizen told me one thing.. when to install mod_perl , during compile time i have to specify which perl to use05:33
sstanvirhow to do that?05:34
PedersenMJProbably has to do with some of those apache2 compile time options that I've not memorized, but which would be listed/used in build.sh to ensure that the correct perl is used for the WRE.05:34
sstanvirokey :(05:35
sstanvirthe world is leading me to WRE.. but the team leader is against the world05:35
SDuensinI know the feeling, sstanvir.05:36
* SDuensin quit the job he had that was like that.05:36
PedersenMJNo, the world is leading you to the absolute ultimate answer for your questions: How to build from source. Since WRE does it, and does it automatically, there's code that automates the process. And that means you can read the code and duplicate the results.05:37
@preactionspecifically: wre/sbin/build.sh05:37
@preactionsstanvir: if you insist on installing mod_perl from cpan, make sure you use the right Perl instance05:38
sstanviri downloaded the mod_perl-2.0.3 05:38
@preactionwhy not just use cpan?05:39
sstanvirwell.. that can work as well05:39
sstanvirbut how to make sure to use the right perl instance05:40
@preactionit will install it into the Perl that you're using cpan with05:40
sstanvir i have /usr/bin/cpan and /usr/local/bin/cpan05:41
sstanvirif i invoke perl -MCPAN -e shell 05:42
sstanvirit should use the right one?05:42
@preactiondepends on the answer to `which perl`05:43
@preactionwhich one is the Right one?05:43
sstanvirwhich perl is /usr/local/bin/perl05:43
sstanvirthis is the right one05:43
@preactionso "perl" will run "/usr/local/bin/perl", and "cpan" will probably run /usr/local/bin/cpan (you can verify with 'which cpan')05:44
@preactioncpan for that perl will install modules for that perl05:44
sstanviryes05:45
sstanvirmod_perl is in Bundle::Apache2 right? do u know the specific name of the module05:46
@preactiondo a search for Bundle::Apache205:50
@preactionor just Apache205:50
sstanvirok05:52
sstanviranyway.. thanks a lot for your help and time preaction, PedersenMJ, rizen, SDuensin....05:53
sstanviryou guys are really nice..05:53
sstanvirso.. I will continue the battle.. and get back to u later with results..05:54
sstanvirwish me luck05:54
sstanvirbfn05:54
@rizengood luck05:54
PedersenMJlots of luck to you.05:55
@rizenis there anything better than warm bread right out of the oven05:57
@rizendrizzled with a little melty butter05:57
@rizenmethinks not05:57
@rizenjust made a loaf of bread05:57
@rizenso good05:58
SDuensinAaahhaahhhhh....fresh bread!05:58
PedersenMJAh, maybe add some small amounts of honey to the butter. Not necessary, but can make a nice touch.05:58
PedersenMJFresh bread is the best, though, butter or no :)05:59
@rizenpedersenmj...the b/w version is only $7505:59
@rizenand the book is almost 400 pages05:59
@rizenlots of stuff in there05:59
@rizenhmmm...will have to try the honey05:59
@rizenhaven't tried that one05:59
SDuensinI'll need to make a bit more hosting money and then pick that book up.05:59
@rizennot that i'm asking you to buy the book05:59
PedersenMJI know. $75 comes into range for me. And *believe* me, I don't doubt the value. Just more than I can do at this point. Although... I've got some cash coming my way soon ... ;)06:00
@rizenindeed06:00
@rizenif you prefer i can take it out of the money i'm sending you06:00
@rizenand send you the book06:00
* SDuensin wants to support PB and wG.06:00
PedersenMJWhat the hell. Yeah, I like that idea.06:01
@rizenok, which version would you like?06:01
PedersenMJJudgment call: Does the color add value to the contents? Or is the book totally fine without it?06:02
PedersenMJAnd: Does it affect how much plainblack gets?06:03
PedersenMJBetter answer: Screw it, go for the color. Might as well, eh?06:03
@rizenplain black makes far more on the b/w version06:03
@rizenbut the color one is cooler06:03
@rizencuz the screenshots are more legible in color06:04
PedersenMJDamn, now I'm torn between the two. Legibility matters, but so does supporting pb.06:05
PedersenMJI might be showing this to other people. Color will make them happier with the product. Color it should be.06:06
@rizendon't worry about supporting us06:07
@rizengo with the one you want06:07
@rizencolor it is06:07
PedersenMJCool. Those two books should be a *very* lovely jump off point for me. I've got just enough knowledge to go in and muck about, and maybe get what I want. Having more information is always a good thing.06:09
@rizentwo books?06:10
PedersenMJWebGUI Primer as well.06:11
@rizenoh right06:11
@rizenfrom the contest06:11
@rizenyou'll probably just end up giving the primer away06:12
PedersenMJExactly. Enough reading material to keep me occupied for a while.06:12
PedersenMJEventually, yeah. But I do intend to at least leaf through it first. And see afterwards who it should go to.06:12
@rizeneverything covered in the primer is also covered in the cm guide...just in a hell of a lot more detail06:12
@rizenlook at it this way06:12
@rizenthe books that we are building now (starting with the CM guide)06:12
@rizenare for the webgui professionals, like yourself06:13
@rizenand the primers are the cheap books that can be handed out to the staff as a reference guide06:13
@rizenthe primer is a good book06:13
@rizenbut if you have the cm guide..you don't need the primer06:13
@rizeni'll send it to you anyway06:13
PedersenMJAh, okay. primer is way to hook somebody, basically.06:14
PedersenMJI think I know some people to slip that too, then, to get them started :)06:14
@rizencool06:14
@rizeneven though we just are now releasing the CM guide, we're already planning the second edition of it06:15
@rizenit won't be out for 6 months to a year06:15
SDuensinBOOKS!   We like books.06:15
@rizenbut it's going to be another 100 page or so of content06:15
@rizenso much in fact, that we're going to have to increase the format to a new bigger sized book06:16
PedersenMJSweet :)06:16
PedersenMJI'm definitely going to be getting the other guides, too.06:16
@rizeni had hoped the other two we're working on would be out this month06:17
@rizenbut we've been so busy with everything, and so short staffed, that they aren't done yet06:17
@rizenbut when all 3 are finished it will be between 1000 and 1200 pages of documentation06:18
SDuensinEach a hundred bucks?06:18
@rizeni don't think people will complain that we don't have enough documentation anymore06:18
@rizen=)06:18
@rizen100 for color06:18
@rizenand 75 for b/w06:18
SDuensinBox set discount?  :-)06:18
PedersenMJIs there where I'm supposed to express outrage that you haven't finished these books on my personal timetable? Or should I just nicely say that I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of them as soon as they come out? :)06:19
@rizenprobably06:19
@rizenjust the cost of printing the color ones is 65 per book06:19
SDuensinOuch.06:19
@rizenand that doesn't count for all the time we put in to writing them06:19
@rizenthat's why we're charging so much06:19
@rizenif we could offer them for 50 a piece we would06:19
SDuensinBelieve me, WebGUI is worth the cash.  I just can't swing it yet.  When I can, I'll be buying everything you guys offer.  :-)06:20
PedersenMJI'm not the only one who feels that way. It's a *sweet* system, it really is.06:20
@rizeni appreciate the support guys06:20
@rizenthanks06:20
SDuensinYou deserve it.  WebGUI kicks ass.06:21
SDuensinAnd to think that I found the 5.x release completely by accident via Google.  :-)06:21
PedersenMJI'm actually considering dropping my preference for Request Tracker, and using WG's system.06:21
+Radix_Cool work on the book - just checked out the lulu links then :)06:21
PedersenMJDunno if I'm ready for that just yet, but it might be right for me.06:21
SDuensinI'm dropping everything I can for wG.  :-)06:21
SDuensinGot two sites running on my host using it tonight!  Went smooth as snot.  I was really pleased.06:22
@rizenyeah, we dropped RT for webgui a long time ago06:22
@rizenand now that it has the email integration it's pretty sweet06:22
SDuensinThird site is uploading now.  :-)06:22
@rizennice SD06:22
PedersenMJThe email integration is probably my killer feature.06:23
SDuensinThis third site unpacks to like 1.5 gig.  Going to be awhile before it's up there.  <G>06:23
@rizenafter we get through this "healing" phase, i plan on writing an actual TroubleTicket system into webgui06:23
@rizenprobably won't be until either late 2007 or early 2008 though06:23
SDuensinHealing?06:24
@rizenbug fixing, documentation, new wre, etc06:24
@rizensearch plainblack.com for "new years resolution"06:24
SDuensinAh yes.  :-)06:24
SDuensin:-)06:25
SDuensinWell, I'm headed to bed.  I'll talk to you all again tomorrow!06:25
PedersenMJg'night SDuensin !06:25
@rizenme too06:28
@rizenlater06:28
PedersenMJlater rizen 06:29
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PedersenMJheya perlDreamer 06:31
PedersenMJhow goes?06:31
+perlDreamerIt is well06:32
@preactionwonder if that troubleticket thing is going to be integrated with the Project Manager (i hope hope hope. Trac rules)06:32
+perlDreamertroubleticket thing?06:32
@preactionJT: after we get through this "healing" phase, i plan on writing an actual TroubleTicket system into webgui06:32
@preactioni wonder if the healing phase includes Perl::Critic and fixing inheritance of the container assets and their constituents06:33
+perlDreamerhealing phase?06:40
@preactionbug fixing, more docs, new wre06:41
+perlDreamerah06:41
+perlDreamerat this rate, the healing will take a long time06:42
+perlDreamerI don't suppose we're planning another bug-a-thon anytime, are we?06:43
@preactioni dunno. next friday vayde's coming down to madison and we're having a get-together. dunno the itinerary yet06:45
@preactionit's been crazy around here. the alumni launch, short-staffed, etc...06:45
+perlDreamerI know06:45
+perlDreamerdon't forget training new staff, publishing a book, webgui.org site design06:46
+perlDreamerWUC conference details06:47
+perlDreamerbread baking06:47
PedersenMJDamn... I need to find a place that does fresh bread on my way into work tomorrow. The fresher, the better. Now I've got an appetite.06:48
+perlDreamerWhere do you live?06:48
+perlDreamerGoogle Maps is your friend, PedersenMJ06:48
PedersenMJThe Garbage State. And TomTom is a better friend :)06:49
+perlDreamerI've never tried.  I'll have to give it a shot06:49
PedersenMJI've got it on a Treo 650. Now, their installation process sucks the sweat off a dead donkey's balls. It's less friendly than YggDrasil Linux with bad floppies. But the software, once installed, is fantastic.06:51
+perlDreamerHey, I think that model of Treo has one of our chips in it.  You have chosen wisely.06:52
PedersenMJPersonally, I wanted to stick with the Tungsten T5. Nice PDA. But, getting Navigator 6 on PalmOS required Treo 650. Nothing else supported or working.06:52
PedersenMJHaving said that, I'll admit the 650 is pretty nice. Sometimes I wish I had separate devices, though, so that I could let the navigator run when a phone call comes in, but that's my only real complaint.06:53
+perlDreamerThe battery runtime estimation should be very, very good.06:53
+perlDreamerOutside of that, you're on your own.06:54
PedersenMJActually, it is pretty good. And the battery runtime is phenomenal. Actually better than the T5.06:55
+perlDreamerThat's really a function of the processor and the peripherals.06:56
PedersenMJWell, it does a good job. And it's pretty rare that I wish for two separate devices anymore.06:59
+Radix_I love my o2 atom :)07:01
PedersenMJThere are only two things I don't like about the Treo: 1) Inability to run two programs at once. So the navigator has to exit before I can take a call. 2) Constantly having to defrag memory because of the apps I use.07:05
PedersenMJWait, one other: lack of ability to do voice dialing from bluetooth earpiece.07:06
+perlDreamerpreaction: given two arbitrary DateTime objects, do you know how to calculate the difference between them in time in seconds?07:48
PedersenMJhttp://search.cpan.org/dist/DateTime-Format-Epoch/ <-convert to seconds in the epoch with this?07:56
+perlDreamerI've already coded around it, but I'll remember that for next time.07:57
+perlDreamerthanks, PedersenMJ07:57
PedersenMJYou're welcome. I know I've done it before, and not with that, but damned if I can remember how right now.07:58
@rizeni'm not really here, but i had to share this: http://defragit.blogspot.com/2007/03/announcing-metadot-7.html08:00
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@rizenholy crap08:00
@rizenpreaction: http://defragit.blogspot.com/2007/03/announcing-metadot-7.html08:01
@rizenanyway...like i said, not really here08:01
@rizensleep now08:01
+perlDreameroh, go eat your bread!08:01
+perlDreamermetadot moved to ruby on rails?08:01
+perlDreamerwhoa08:02
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+perlDreamerdoes that make wG the last known CMS written in Perl?08:04
+perlDreamerThere's websiteinabox (from googlecode) written in Catalyst, but it's in early alpha/dev-only phase.08:06
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SDuensinGreetings.15:40
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+MrHairgreaserizen16:34
+MrHairgreasedo you know how i can figure out what kind of protocol is being used for the connection of a page request16:35
+MrHairgreasehttp vs. https16:35
@rizenif you're using the WRE it's not possible, at least in any way that I'm aware of16:38
@rizeni've been trying to figure that out forever16:38
+MrHairgreasei'm asking b/c you wanted to have a match option for http(s) in the redirect asset16:39
+MrHairgreasethe redirect rules16:39
+MrHairgreasebut if have have no way to figure that out16:40
+MrHairgreasei cannot make the distinction16:40
@rizeni know16:42
+MrHairgreasemaybe some env var may expose ssl usage?16:42
+MrHairgreasedunno how they vary from ssl implementation to implementation16:42
@rizennormally you'd do this:16:43
@rizenif ($self->session->env->get("HTTPS") eq "on") {16:43
+MrHairgreaseoh ok 16:43
@rizenso go ahead and do that in your code16:43
+MrHairgreasebut b/c of modproxy that doesn't work16:43
+MrHairgrease?16:43
@rizenit will work for people not using wre16:43
@rizenyeah, modproxy fucks it up16:43
+MrHairgreaseic16:43
+MrHairgreasewell16:43
+MrHairgreasewere not at 7.4 yet16:44
+MrHairgreaseso i'll try to figure something out16:44
@rizeni know a way around it with the wre as well, but i can't ask people to do it16:44
+MrHairgreasethe snippet you gave already helps16:44
@rizenif you set up a seperate vhost on your modperl instance on a new port, and set an environment variable called HTTPS to on16:45
@rizenand then have modproxy redirect all ssl requests to that one16:45
@rizenit is a work around for the problem16:45
@rizenbut what a fuck around operation16:45
+MrHairgreaseyeah16:46
+MrHairgreasethat's not quite neat=)16:46
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+MrHairgreasedoes anybody know what wrong when during upgrading 6.99.0-7.1.3 errors with17:54
+MrHairgreaseREADY TO BEGIN UPGRADES17:54
+MrHairgreaseCannot open config file:  at ../../lib/WebGUI/Config.pm line 348.17:54
+MrHairgreaseCan't locate object method "http" via package "../.." at ../../lib/WebGUI/Session.pm line 370.17:54
+MrHairgrease        Processing upgrade executable failed!17:54
+MrHairgreaseI've had this error before and solved it17:54
+MrHairgreasebu i cannot remember whati did17:54
+MrHairgreaserizen18:11
+MrHairgreasewhen's the wuc?18:11
+MrHairgreaseit says september on the hotel info on the site18:11
@vaydeI don't know if rizen is really here.  He's 'off' today, but I don't know how off 'off' is18:12
+MrHairgreasehe responded to me a few hours ago18:13
@vaydedunno.  I just got a reminder email that he's 'out'  figured I'd let you know18:14
+MrHairgreaseok18:14
+MrHairgreasethanks18:14
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@vaydeWUC is Oct 17-19th.  Deadline for special hotel rates is midnight on Sept 17th, 1 month prior to the beginning of the WUC18:27
@vaydecrap, he's gone18:27
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+perlDreamerAre the smoke tests down?18:54
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SDuensinAnybody have an idea of how much the RAM requirement increases for every site you add to a WRE based WebGUI?21:41
+perlDreamerI don't think RAM requirements change that much per site as much as per connection.21:45
+perlDreamerBasically, RAM for a new site would consist of the config file being translated to Perl data21:45
+perlDreamerbut I'd trust whatever rizen says more than that21:46
+perlDreamerhe's in the business of hosting21:46
SDuensinI'm in the business of running out of RAM.  :-)21:46
+perlDreamerWRE/non-WRE?21:47
SDuensinWRE21:48
+perlDreamerhmmm21:49
+perlDreamerWait a minute, this is on your virtual host, right?21:49
+perlDreamerYou could try adjusting the WRE settings for Apache::SizeLimit and see if it helps.21:50
SDuensinYea.21:52
SDuensinI've not crashed yet, but I'm close to my vhost limit.21:52
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+perlDreamer--bug00:46
+perlDreamerpreaction, do you see any problems with Mocking Log::Logger in the tests, all the time?00:50
+perlDreamerLog::Log4Perl, I mean00:50
+perlDreamerer, preaction_00:50
@vaydehe must be feeling down today, less than himself01:01
+perlDreamerthat would be preaction-, no?01:02
+perlDreamerI bet he's not really there01:02
@vaydeI dunno, maybe he's feeling REALLY low01:02
+perlDreamergood board work today01:02
@vaydeThanks, I haven't really done anything.01:02
@vaydegood thing things are slow.01:03
+perlDreamerI think just dialoging with the users help them fix things on their own sometimes01:03
@vaydeyou have any ideas about the workflow problems one?01:03
+perlDreamerLet me read the thread01:03
@vaydeyeah, at least they know there's someone out there01:03
+perlDreamerOkay, here's what I see01:04
+perlDreamerspectre can talk to spectre01:04
+perlDreamerWebGUI can't talk to spectre01:04
+perlDreamerspectre says that it has nothing to do01:04
+perlDreamerq.e.d, I would say that it is a spectre config problem in the site config file01:04
+perlDreamerb.t.w, problems like this are why I put up my RFE for spectre status in the Admin panel01:05
@vaydeI don't know if I buy that spectre is the problem here01:06
+perlDreamerit isn't the problem, just the spectre line in the wG.conf file01:06
@vaydehis main complaint is he makes a new page, and it don't show up01:06
@vaydeHe's seeing a spectre error, and is having a problem, hence A must be connected to B.  Unless you think they ARE connected01:07
+perlDreamerwell, he says that if he runs the workflow manually (via the Admin Panel run workflow feature) that it works01:09
+perlDreamerthat tells me it is spectre <--> webgui communication01:09
+perlDreamerso it could be in spectre.conf as well01:09
@vaydeI'll ask him to post em both.  Can't hurt.01:10
+perlDreamerCould I get your feedback on this bug?01:11
+perlDreamerhttp://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/trouble-with-search-users#bwxNi9JGw_ObzSiC7NPrRw01:11
@vaydethere isn't a WebGUI.conf, just an original.  You mean <insert customer site here>.conf right?01:12
@vaydesure, I'll look01:12
+perlDreameryes about the WebGUI.conf01:12
+perlDreamerI'm looking for an appropriate response to william's post to the bug thread01:13
@vaydehang on, I'm reading01:14
+perlDreamersorry, too much virtue #201:14
@vaydeWilliam's post, you mean about the message suggestion?01:16
@vaydeI think it's a great idea01:16
+perlDreamerI like the idea, too but I have two concerns.01:16
@vaydeI got bit by that one on the PB site.  Blank screen was a bit of a surprise01:16
+perlDreamerWebGUI is supposed to work this way, so changing it should be an RFE, I think01:16
@vaydeYeah, technically that's not a bug, but a feature that was left out01:17
@vaydeIt should do something less ambiguous when you go to the page01:17
+perlDreamerThe other thing is that the message will appear and disappear as default searches and defined searches are performed, and it may be as confusing as the original behavior.01:17
+perlDreamerI'm thinking of using standard dodge #5...01:18
@vaydeI dunno, depends on how it's phrased01:18
+perlDreamerS.D #5 = "This is a feature.  Please submit an RFE.  If you disagree, please take it up with JT/rizen"01:18
@vaydeIf the screen is gonna be blank, insert a message saying 'you have lots of groups/users,  I'm not gonna try to display em until you pare down the list with a search"01:19
@vaydeYou are correct01:19
@vaydeI guess It depends on if a leaving out a feature can be called a bug01:19
+perlDreamerexactly, and, in the past anyway, JT is the arbiter of those decisions01:20
@vaydeIt is kinda scary to pull up a list of users or groups and get only a blank01:20
+perlDreamerI agree.01:20
@vaydeUsers are stupid, and panicking one just leads to even dumber behaviour01:20
@vaydeMy opinion is call the left out feature a bug, and add it01:21
@vaydeHowever, as the FNG and padawan, my opinion don't count for much01:21
+perlDreamerwhat is FNG?01:21
+perlDreamerfairly new guy?01:21
@vaydefuckin new guy01:22
@vaydeI gotta run.  Class time01:27
+perlDreamersee you01:27
@vaydeHmm.  I'm skunked again.02:47
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bodhi_zazen!hi02:54
@vaydeAhh, I see it's not just me02:55
bodhi_zazenAny bots in here ?02:55
@vaydeperlbot02:55
bodhi_zazen!bot02:55
bodhi_zazen!perl02:55
bodhi_zazen!braindead02:55
bodhi_zazen!knock-knock02:56
@vaydeOh well.  I'll get perlDreamer to school me in it again later.  He's been very patient02:56
bodhi_zazenhttp://www.perlbot.org/02:57
@vaydecool, thanks02:58
bodhi_zazenI think that bot is mute02:59
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+perlDreamerperlbot: rizen?03:19
perlbotJT, the creator of WebGUI, aka TMRFE03:19
+perlDreamerperlbot: help03:19
perlbot(fact)::tell (who) about (what)::(what) > (who)::learn (what) as (info)::relearn (fact) as (info)::phone (phone number)::shorten (url)::shorten it::search (module)::docs (module)::perldoc -f (function)::jargon (term)::math::fortune::flip::host (type) (record)::rot13::roll (die)::tempconv (temp)::scramble (foo)::8ball::slap::diss::what time is it::top/bottom (number) karma::geoip (ip)03:19
+perlDreamerwrong syntax03:19
+perlDreamerahoy, vayde!  what happened to class?03:20
@vaydethey never came in03:20
@vaydeI knew you'd save me on the bot03:20
+perlDreamerI keep forgetting03:21
@vaydeI'm pretty new to irc too.  03:21
+perlDreamergooeybot is a better overall bot, but preaction's network keeps dropping03:21
@vaydeI'd never used it, and then bodhi_zazen recruited me into the ubuntuforums-beginners team03:21
@vaydethe bot over there works differently03:21
@vaydewhat's the difference between using <name>: and <name>, ?03:22
+perlDreamerI don't think any03:22
+perlDreamerperlbot, what time is it?03:22
perlbotFri Apr  6 17:20:21 2007 Pacific Time03:22
@vaydeahh, well there you go03:22
+perlDreamerperlbot: what time is it?03:22
perlbotFri Apr  6 17:20:27 2007 Pacific Time03:22
+perlDreamerperlbot- what time is it?03:23
+perlDreamerperlbot; what time is it?03:23
@vaydeso, any name, followd by : or , yields the highlit message?03:23
+perlDreamerlooks like it03:23
+perlDreamerI did a cool testing hack today03:24
@vaydecool.  We still need to talk about all your testing mojo03:25
+perlDreamerI outfit all tests with the ability to intercept thing sent to the webgui.log file, to verify logging messages happens correctly03:25
@vaydeI may have another class in 10 though03:25
+perlDreamerso if people don't show do you still charge them?03:25
@vaydeI'm stuck between wanting to go home early, and hoping customers show up03:26
@vaydewith us, you sign up for a number of classes per week, and then show up whenever your schedule/interests allow it03:26
@vaydemake up classes you miss too03:26
@vaydeIt's a nice system.  Makes it easy to work around whatever chaos shows up in your life03:27
@vaydeunfortunately, it's a bit too nice.  It would probably be more effective if people HAD to show up at a certain day or time.03:27
+perlDreameryes.  Kind of leaves you hanging03:27
@vaydeIn a lot of ways, I'm too nice for my own good.  If I was a little meaner, or opportunistic, I'd do better in business03:28
@vaydeI'm just not willing to do it though03:28
+perlDreamermorals are important in whatever you do03:28
@vaydeAnd besides, I'm not the student's mother.  They can show up or not.  We're all big boys03:28
@vaydeTuition is due per the membership agreement whether you show or not.  I was here, ready to do my part03:28
+perlDreamerI see, so it's just scheduling hassles, rather than being shorted.03:29
@vaydeYeah, mine were preventing me from eating though.  That's too bad03:29
@vaydeNot really hassles.  03:29
@vaydeMore like feast or famine03:29
@vaydesome classes are big, others tiny03:29
@vaydewhich is fine.  Makes my job interesting sometimes, but I'm the professional03:30
@vaydeIt's an interesting time balancing between what the student NEEDS, and what they will show up for.03:30
@vaydeTraditionally you have disciples.  They'll do anything you tell em to03:31
@vaydeNowadays, there aint too many of those around.03:31
@vaydeStudents on the other hand, will do what you say, to a point.03:31
+perlDreamerMaybe that's what I am, a WebGUI disciple03:31
@vaydebut mostly you get customers.  Customers are very, very different.  Customers only do what THEY want.  Regardless of what is best for their education03:32
@vaydeMy teacher says a disciple is a student with discipline03:32
@vaydeYou've learned this stuff, and kept at it.  You'd count as a disciple.03:33
+perlDreamerIt sounds better than volunteer hacker03:33
+perlDreamerhacker disciple03:33
@vaydeheh03:33
@vaydeI don't know what the time scale is in the hacker world.  In martial arts, you'd need a few more years to count as a disciple.03:33
@vaydeThat03:34
@vaydeThat's one reason they're rare these days03:34
+perlDreamerIn martial arts, how many years to earn the title of disciple?03:34
@vaydepersonally, I don't like the term.  It's religious overtones spook people03:34
@vaydeThere's no single guide.03:35
@vaydeI have one guy who I'd call a disciple.  he's been with me for 10 years03:35
+perlDreamerYeah, I've only got 3 under my belt03:36
@vaydeHey, I don't think wG has been around for 1003:36
+perlDreamerOnly 503:37
@vaydeIt's a little easier to rack up the time when the discipline is 1000+ years old03:37
@vaydehell, perl, and computers in general can't quite compete there03:37
+perlDreamerno, not even close!03:39
@vaydewell, looks like I'm skunked again.  Can't say that I'm complaining.  I'll be back online in a few when I get home.  (home's just a couple miles up the road)  talk to you in a few.03:40
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+perlDreamerI'm back, did y'all miss me?04:43
PedersenMJYeah, but my aim is getting better.04:47
+perlDreamerthere's always one in every crowd...04:48
+perlDreamerDon't work too hard on hitting me, I spent large chunks of today working on wG's test suite04:48
+perlDreamerImproving test coverage and extending it04:49
PedersenMJYeah. Sad thing is, I seem to be in too many of those crowds, being that one. I need to get some time off, free up a few days from crowd-jackass duty.04:49
+perlDreamerDon't be hard on yourself04:50
+perlDreamerIf you were really a crowd-jackass, JT would kick you out of the channel and ban your IP04:50
PedersenMJAh, it's possible to be an only minorly annoying crowd-jackass. One that tosses in just the right remarks here and there to maintain the title, without going overboard into the offensive.04:51
+perlDreamerYou're far from that.04:52
PedersenMJDamn. Got to work on my abilities, then. That remark just cost me bookings for the next week!04:52
PedersenMJWell, then again, I did say I wanted some time off.04:52
+perlDreamerTake the next few days off and take it easy.04:53
PedersenMJAnd now, I'm just being stupidly annoying. So, to stop: How much of the test suite did ya manage to get done?04:53
+perlDreamerI upped the coverage on two Session tests to 100%04:53
+perlDreamerand redid the Http test to look at the new caching code that's been in there04:53
PedersenMJNice job! Congrats! Wow.... And here I am just trying to find the time to finish a theme.04:54
+perlDreamerI had the day off from $dayJob, so I had lots of time04:54
+perlDreamermy company gives us Good Friday as a holiday04:54
PedersenMJNice. Very nice. They hiring?04:55
+perlDreamerAre you an EE with > 5 years of experience?04:55
PedersenMJNope.04:56
+perlDreamerC programmer with assembly coding?04:56
PedersenMJC programmer: Yes, definitely (once read quadruply indirected pointers in my head). Assembly: I *can* do it, but usually choose not to (which, I know, rules me right out of that category).04:57
+perlDreameryeah, they're primarily looking for hardware level guys04:57
PedersenMJYeah, I'm definitely not at that level.04:57
PedersenMJDunno, really. Serious job satisfaction crisis for me. And, since I know that JT will eventually want to know why I didn't send in a resume to plainblack, it's because I enjoy WG more as a hobby, and would not remain happy for very long as a job.04:59
+perlDreamerWG does make a very nice hobby.05:00
PedersenMJI think what I'm most tired of, right now, is that I'm basically on call all the time. Our helpdesk guy... I like him, he's a nice guy, but I'm starting to think he's somewhere around the level of weak power user.05:02
PedersenMJYesterday, he asked me four times if deleting an Outlook profile on a laptop would delete the email off the Exchange server.05:02
PedersenMJAnd I mean he did that within a time span of about 15 minutes.05:03
+perlDreameroy05:03
+perlDreamerthat's no good05:03
PedersenMJI know. So, I'm just tired. Really tired. And complaining. Should stop that now. Will try.05:04
+perlDreamerg'night, all05:52
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PedersenMJSD: He's a real card.06:33
SDuensinEh?06:36
PedersenMJTypes what he should have typed to make something remotely resembling a joke:06:37
PedersenMJThat SD: He's a real card.06:37
SDuensin:-P06:37
PedersenMJSorry, am tired. My ability to make funny jokes is tired, too. Rain check?06:38
SDuensinSure.  Why not.  <G>06:39
PedersenMJCool. Don't worry, I'll find a decent one to make later.06:40
PedersenMJNothing at all like butcher dance, I promise.06:40
SDuensinI don't even wanna know.06:41
PedersenMJOne of the longest, and most horrible, puns I have ever read/heard. My wife walks out of the room if I mention it. I've been threatened with bodily harm at the punchline. I have had one woman scream at the top of her lungs about it. It's great :D06:42
PedersenMJhttp://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/6174/jokes/butcher-dance.htm06:42
* SDuensin tries in vain to not click the link.06:42
SDuensinDOH!06:42
PedersenMJNow I *know* you didn't read the whole thing already.06:44
SDuensinNo.  I will.  :-)06:45
PedersenMJAnd, just imagine having somebody take the time to add still more detail at all the various junctures, and you'll get a feel for how I tell it. And I love telling it so much :)06:46
* SDuensin is reading on the IMDB about Casino Royale.06:49
PedersenMJAh, have heard good things about it. Will watch it someday.06:50
SDuensinJust saw it.  Excellent.  The end is kind of slow, but I think that's just because the rest of the movie never lets up.06:51
SDuensinThe first 10 minutes are worth buying the disc for.  Amazing stunt work.06:51
+Radix_I enjoyed it myself.. much more gritty than the previous bond films.  But then it also shows how young he is at that stage of his career.06:52
SDuensinI like Bond films.  Even the dumb ones.  This was good even compared to "regular" movies.  :-)06:52
PedersenMJBond films are fun, if for no other reason than high tech gadgetry being used in new and creative ways :)06:54
SDuensinWHOA!  I *KNEW* I saw Richard Branson in that film!06:55
* SDuensin loves the IMDB trivia.06:55
PedersenMJOne of the few things that managed to make me LOL: http://www.customerssuck.com/index.php?categoryid=13&p2007_articleid=407:03
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@vaydeIt's too early to be faced with 5 year olds.17:48
@vaydeAnd violent ones at that17:48
SDuensin:-)21:06
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+perlDreamervayde, are you ready to learn the way of WebGUI Testing?21:34
+perlDreamerIt is long, and fraught with peril21:34
+perlDreamermany have tried, few have persevered21:34
@vaydeI want to.  I can't do it right now.  I hafta close up shop and rescue the gf's vehicle from a horrible fate.  Will you be around tonight or tomorrow?21:44
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+perlDreamerboth, I think23:07
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wgGuest11I am trying to evaluate different CSM, however I have had some issues trying to install Webgui on my Windows XP machine06:21
wgGuest11Is there any help available for this?06:21
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+perlDreamerevening, rizen07:11
+perlDreamerwhat's shaking?07:11
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PedersenMJg'd evening05:05
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PedersenMJWow... I am *never* building webgui from source ever again!06:46
PedersenMJI just did the wre for the first time ever. I was an absolute idiot for insisting on building from source.06:46
@preactionwre is easy, no?07:36
@preactionjt's working on ways to make it even easier. but i don't think he'll be able to achieve binary-compatibility between distributions07:36
PedersenMJIs bedtime for this sad sack. see you all manana!07:43
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SDuensinGood morning.15:53
@preactionmorning15:54
SDuensinWebGUI is becoming an obsession.15:58
SDuensinMy wife is going to kill me when she finds out what I'm spending screwing with web servers.15:58
SDuensin:-)15:58
@preactionturn it into profit?15:59
@preactionthere are always places looking for websites to be made15:59
SDuensinThat's the plan.  I just completely suck at finding those people.16:02
ckotilthats my dilema too16:04
SDuensinHey ckotil 16:05
@preactioneventually it becomes a matter of giving out your card to people, after of course making some cards16:06
@preactioni believe we had an idea to add a "Services Connection" area to the new webgui.org site to help hook up potential clients to the people who could help them (since plainblack can get too busy to get to certain projects in a timely fashion)16:08
@preactioni hope that happens16:08
@preactionmore exposure for webgui = more potential business for plainblack in every case16:08
SDuensinSounds good to me.16:09
* SDuensin has handed out a ton of cards.16:09
SDuensinAnyone ever hear of anyone converting from Drupal to WebGUI?16:10
@preactiondoesn't sound like a simple operation, but i think i've heard someone express interest in doing it16:10
SDuensinYea, but was that someone me?  :-)16:12
@preactioni think it was16:12
SDuensinWell, unfortunately, I haven't helped myself do the conversion yet.  :-P16:13
@preactioni imagine you're going to have to start by mapping what can be actually converted from database to database. I just got done writing a large (3000+ line) migration script from a client's custom coldfusion database to webgui custom apps, so it can be done.16:16
@preactionit just isn't very fun16:16
@preactionbasically thus: using DBI to grab information, use the WebGUI API to create the appropriate assets16:16
SDuensinThat's what I was gonna try and do.  Let WebGUI do the writing so I don't screw it up.  :-)16:22
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@vaydeMrHairgrease, did you ever get the WUC schedule confirmed?  It's Oct 17-19, but the hotel reservations need to be made by Sept 17 to get the cheap rate.17:35
+MrHairgreaseI'm not sure what you mean.17:41
+MrHairgreasethe date of the wuc is already fixed right?17:41
@preactionMrHairgrease: i believe the conference center is already booked and everything17:54
+MrHairgreasethat's what understood too17:55
+MrHairgreaseso i don't quite understand what vayde's trying to ask me17:55
@preactionbut then again, i'm not in charge of that, and it's better that i only worry about what i need to (which already is plenty)17:56
@vaydeSorry, last week you asked a question that I interpreted to be confusion over the date of the WUC17:56
+MrHairgreasedid I?17:56
@vaydethere was a line on the hotel information page that sayd 'September 17'17:56
+MrHairgreaseoh yeah17:56
+MrHairgreasejoeri saw that i guess17:56
@vaydeThat's the deadline for cheap registration17:56
+MrHairgreaseah i see17:57
@vaydeI have sinced messed with it in the attempt to make it clearer17:57
@preactiono/t question: what would be a good language to learn that could get me through central europe? britain, france, bavaria, that area?17:57
@preactionfrench? german?17:57
@vayde$$$17:57
@vaydethat always helps, no matter where17:57
+MrHairgreaseenglish17:57
@preactionseriously?17:58
+MrHairgreaseor you could learn german and french17:58
+MrHairgreaseassuming you already speak english17:58
@vaydenaw, I think he should learn english17:58
@vaydedo him good17:58
@preactionbut only knowing english would get me by?17:58
+MrHairgreasenot everywhere17:58
@preactioneven in, say, non-tourtisty areas?17:58
+MrHairgreaseit depends17:58
+MrHairgreasemy experience in france is that a lot of people there don't speak much english17:59
+MrHairgreasemostly elder people17:59
+MrHairgreasebut then again17:59
@vaydeI had no trouble in Italy with english and what little Spanish I remembered from Jr. High school17:59
+MrHairgreasefrensh people don't speak german17:59
+MrHairgreaseand vice versa17:59
+MrHairgreaseso it depends where you wana go17:59
+MrHairgreasei managed to go to italy using english18:00
+MrHairgreasebut also a lot of hand symbols18:00
+MrHairgreaseif you're in tourist areas your good with english18:00
+MrHairgreasebut if you go hiking18:00
+MrHairgreaseor something like that18:00
+MrHairgreaseand pass trough these tiny villages18:01
+MrHairgreaseit can be difficult to communicate18:01
+MrHairgreasegermans are pretty good at englishg18:01
+MrHairgreaseand so are swiss and ausrian people18:01
+MrHairgreasefor france and italy18:01
+MrHairgreaseit really depends who you talk to18:02
@preactioni've got a good base in french, so hopefully a few months of drilling might improve that to near-tourist levels18:02
+MrHairgreaseif you have a base you're good18:02
+MrHairgreaseyou're plaaning you hollidays in eurotrashland then?18:03
@preactionjust planning my world trips18:03
@preactionand the languages i'll need to learn for it18:03
@preactionhindi, japanese, and french+german18:03
+MrHairgreaseok18:03
+MrHairgreaseman18:04
@preactionegyptian too18:04
+MrHairgreasei cannot imagine learning all that18:04
+MrHairgrease'm bad at languages18:04
+MrHairgreaseand happy with the ones i know already18:04
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+perlDreamervayde: you need a new toy http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/warfare/885d/19:06
@vaydeHeh.  I shudder to think what the designers call a 'block' or an 'attack'19:08
+perlDreamermaybe we could hack it and correct it19:09
@vaydebut I can already punch through wall.19:10
@vaydewell, bulletproof vests anyway19:10
+perlDreamerclose enough19:11
+perlDreamerthat's what we used at my house instead of drywall19:12
+perlDreamerthe vests make for an interesting wall texture, plus they don't need to be painted19:12
@vaydeand then there's lots of pockets too19:12
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greghackechirp - chirp - chirp20:46
SDuensinHey greghacke 20:50
greghackehiya.  just was really quiet.  figured i'd see what all is working.20:50
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cap10morganCan I bounce an idea off of you guys?21:02
cap10morganI'm in the process of upgrading a bunch of sites to v. 721:02
SDuensinHi cap10morgan 21:02
cap10morganAnd I'm replacing SQL Reports that query the WebGUI database w/ macros, wobjects, etc. that use the API instead.21:02
cap10morganhello SDeunsin21:02
cap10morganBut as I'm doing this, I'm thinking, it would be cool if there was a generic wobject to do all this for me. Sort of an "Asset Report" wobject.21:03
cap10morganThe more I thought about that, though, the more I realized that 90% of that implementation would be re-implemented the navigation system.21:03
cap10morganSo really, I just want to add some more features to the Navigation system.21:04
cap10morganDoes that seem like logical? Or totally whacked? :)21:04
SDuensinGood luck with all that.  :-)21:04
SDuensinI don't know enough about it to even say.21:04
cap10morgans/re-implemented/re-implementing21:05
@rizenwe've been thinking about doing that for quite a while21:05
cap10morganSDuensin: heh, thanks21:05
SDuensinrizen lives!21:05
greghackewhat are you trying to add?  what data are you pulling/looking at pulling?21:05
@rizenbut as far as adding it to the nav system that's a bad idea21:05
@rizenthe nav system is already one of the most complex assets in webgui21:05
@rizenand one of the slowests21:05
@rizenadding to it would make it even slower21:06
cap10morganrizen: ah, good reasons not to tack on too much more functionality then21:06
@rizenplus, a lot of the template variables exposed in the nav asset, wouldn't need to be exposed for an asset report asset21:06
@rizenhowever, you are right that the nav would be a good place to start21:06
@rizenor at least something to base it off of21:07
cap10morgangreghacke: basically i just need something w/ the flexibility of an SQL report but that uses the API to get its data21:07
cap10morganrizen: ok21:07
cap10morgani take it you guys don't have anything started yet?21:07
@rizennope21:07
@rizentoo many other projects21:08
cap10morganrizen: gotcha21:08
greghackeOK, that I understand.  I do a lot of SQL Reports for similar functions as well.21:08
@rizenthe asset report asset21:08
@rizenshould simply traverse the tree similar to the nav asset21:08
@rizenbut limit based upon asset type21:09
@rizenand instead of all the variables that we expose in nav21:09
@rizenthis would expose the properties of the assets21:09
+perlDreameris it just an interface to getLineage?21:09
@rizenyup21:09
+perlDreamerthat's like 10 lines of code21:09
@rizenit should be fairly trivial to write21:09
@rizenyeah21:09
@rizenthe most difficult part is exposing all the configuration properties21:10
cap10morgani'm wanting it to be able to do some pretty flexible traversing options, like start here and descend, start here and grab siblings (all the nav stuff), plus things like: just pull from this arbitrary list of assets and descend, etc.21:11
+perlDreamerright, so really just remove the guts of Nav and insert 10 lines of code21:11
+perlDreamermy @assets = WebGUI::Asset->getLineage($session, [options and switches]);21:11
cap10morganperlDreamer: that's an excellent place to start. :)21:11
+perlDreamerforeach my $asset (@assets) {21:11
+perlDreamerpush @varAssets, $asset->get();21:12
+perlDreamer}21:12
+perlDreamerthen the template variable render21:12
+perlDreamerthat's all pseude-code, by the way21:12
+perlDreamerif you actually copy/paste that it probably won't work21:12
cap10morgansure21:12
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@preactioncap10morgan: you may want to check $asset->can("getTemplateVars") first. I know that WebGUI::Asset::Event uses that to add a whole bunch of vars that are very useful if not necessary. I don't know the status of adding getTemplateVars as an Asset standard method though21:28
cap10morganpreaction: cool, will look into that21:28
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+perlDreamerpreaction: has the deprecation of WebGUI::Session::DateTime (in preference of WebGUI::DateTime) been discussed?01:34
@rizenwhat do you want to discuss pd?01:36
+perlDreamerI seem to remember at some point we were going to deprecate Session::DateTime in favor of WebGUI::DateTime01:41
@rizenyes01:42
@rizenbut that's a long time coming01:42
+perlDreamerwell, in that case I'm going to finish the test suite for Session::DateTime01:42
+perlDreamerjust in case01:42
@rizenwe first have to migrate everything in the core to the new api01:42
@rizenactually, that's a good idea01:43
@rizencuz then when we convert Session::Date to use WebGUI::Date01:43
@rizen(if we do that)01:43
@rizenthen we'll be able to test that it works01:43
+perlDreamerI'll keep on it then01:50
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+perlDreamerw00t!  100% subroutine coverage in DateTime02:41
@preactionwoohoo!02:41
@rizenahoo02:41
+perlDreamercareful observers will notice however, that branch and conditional coverage are not mentioned in that press release02:41
+perlDreamerrizen: can your PR gal also start sending release info to LWN.net?02:43
+perlDreamerformal press releases go to pr@lwn.net02:44
@rizendoes that even make sense?02:44
+perlDreamersure02:44
@rizeni thought that was a linux site02:44
+perlDreamerIt is02:44
+perlDreamerBut their weekly coverage also handles frameworks, tools, cad, audio and video editing, etc.02:44
@rizenok02:44
@rizeni'll tell her02:44
+perlDreamerhttp://lwn.net/Articles/226258/02:45
+perlDreamerthere's an example02:45
+perlDreamerand I'm tired of reading Zope/Plone/PHP stuff there all the time02:45
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SDuensinHey PedersenMJ 04:44
PedersenMJHow goes it?04:44
SDuensinNot bad.  Watching 24 and putting up more WebGUI sites.  :-)04:45
PedersenMJCool :)04:48
+Radix-wrkthe new poll on plainblack.com's support page didn't include my favourite asset - snippet :(04:54
SDuensinGod I love WebGUI.  04:56
@preactiondoes IE7 not like forms generated by DOM? i've got a script here http://alumni.plainblack.net/extras/yui-webgui/build/form/dynamicGroup.js, everything seems to work except that WebGUI.Form.DynamicGroup.getSearchResults never seems to get called. I've got a bunch of alerts in there that works with FF no problem, but are never reached with IE7.05:01
@preactionIE7 gives me no error, and I can't see anything with my syntax that is overtly wrong05:02
SDuensinDunno.  I'm doing IE7 testing on my site right now.05:03
@preactioni think i might've found something... IE7 has no JS debugging at all for god's sake...05:03
@preactionand JS is already notorious for failing w/ no error for just no durned reasn05:03
@preaction3 hours of this and i'm... a little purturbed...05:03
@preactionand of course Yui doesn't include a changelog, since it seems to be a Yui problem...05:35
+Radix-wrkhttp://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/how-to-get-the-most-out-of-snippets05:38
PedersenMJHey, does anybody here know of a reliable rs-232 cable for a treo 650? I've now tried a total of three of them, and am getting nowhere.05:46
+Radix-wrkrs232? wtf?06:04
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+Radix-wrksurely it uses usb or mini-usb like everyone else06:04
+Radix-wrkI thought only vintage hardware used rs232 - like my old Commodore 6406:05
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PedersenMJOr many GPS units?06:06
PedersenMJOr high end switches?06:06
PedersenMJOr unix based servers which are meant to run in headless mode, and don't have a video card at all?06:06
+Radix-wrkethernet06:07
PedersenMJWhich works *fabulously* once you've got TCP/IP up and running. What about before that gets started?06:07
+Radix-wrkusb06:07
+Radix-wrk;)06:07
PedersenMJI'm looking to connect my Treo 650 to a Garmin ForeTrex 101. The only cable it provides as an input/output is serial/rs-232.06:08
+Radix-wrkno bluetooth?06:08
PedersenMJAh, USB works marvelously once the OS is running. What about when you need to modify the bios settings before the OS even can get started?06:08
PedersenMJNope, no bluetooth.06:09
+Radix-wrkgood luck then :)06:09
PedersenMJYep. I'm getting slower speeds (4800), but can't get the input to work on those speeds. I need a way to send data into the GPS, as well as pull data out of it. Well, need is the wrong word. It's not required, obviously. Would just make a nice finishing touch for paperless geocaching.06:10
PedersenMJOh, I need a 9600bps connection to make the input work. And it's driving me nuts that I can't find it.06:11
+Radix-wrk4800bps.. just seems so.. last century..06:12
PedersenMJWorks great for nmea data, which does most of what is needed/desired, but still leaves me short on quickly adding waypoints to the gps.06:13
PedersenMJBTW, Radix-wrk: I have a server upstairs which has no monitor, no video card, no keyboard, and no mouse. It uses a serial port console to allow me to connect a random laptop to it and administer when I have to do local administration.06:17
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preaction_could someone try to 'svn co http://commctrl.com/hybrid' for me quick?06:43
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PedersenMJsvn: PROPFIND request failed on '/hybrid'06:44
PedersenMJsvn: PROPFIND of '/hybrid': 405 Method Not Allowed (http://commctrl.com)06:44
@preactiongood, thanks06:44
@preactionoh crap06:44
@preaction'svn co svn://commctrl.com/hybrid' <- try that instead06:45
@preactioni'm not using apache, but svnserve under inetd06:45
PedersenMJsvn: /data/svn.commctrl.com/hybrid/conf/svnserve.conf:18: Section header expected06:45
@preactionokay, better06:45
@preactionan error, but an error meaning you can reach the server06:45
@preactionhow long did it take? pretty quick?06:45
PedersenMJVery quick,.06:46
@preactionsweet, thanks06:46
PedersenMJ<5 seconds. Probably <2, but not positive if it was that quick.06:46
@preactionthat box is under heavy load all the time, and i'm not nice to it06:46
@preactioni make a p90 run mod_perl + a whole slew of little stuff06:46
* preaction is evul06:47
PedersenMJPoor little machine.06:47
* PedersenMJ gives it some pity.06:47
@preactionmod_perl consistently times out, and i'm planning on moving it out, but it'll still be running my torrents >:)06:47
PedersenMJOh, nice! The new version of macvim finally does something good for the tabs.06:48
@preactionthere's a macvim? interesting06:48
PedersenMJOh yeah. http://www.macvim.org/06:49
PedersenMJOkay guys, I've got a question for you. First off, the current theme in progress is http://www.oswd.org/design/preview/id/170506:51
PedersenMJIn the lower left is a box named "The Semantic Web". I'm having a hard time deciding what to put *in* that box. Any suggestions?06:51
+perlDreamerSomething WebGUI-esque?06:52
+Radix-wrkhttp://www.lipsum.com/06:53
@preactionhttp://plainblack.com?op=genesis06:53
@preactionwas there an IE7 bug in the admin console / asset edit pages that got fixed since 7.3.10 that anyone knows about?06:54
* preaction greps the changelogs06:54
PedersenMJI've been debating about it for a couple days now. A graphic seems cheesy, somehow. No other asset seems like quite the right thing to do. \06:54
PedersenMJThe genesis snippet might be okay, I suppose.06:55
+perlDreamerpreaction: not that I did06:57
+perlDreamerthat may help limit the search06:57
@preactioni can't see one... i think it's just IE's debugger throwing up on the code previous, preventing me from getting to code afterwards (which is where the real problem lies)06:58
PedersenMJHmmm... I wonder, what do people think of this idea for an RFE? A maximum number of items to appear in a navigation control.06:58
@preactionlike max levels + max assets per level? sort of thing?06:59
PedersenMJMy goal: I'd like to have an "older news" section, and have it limit itself to 3 or 4 items. Navigation *seems* like the right idea, which is where that idea for an RFE came from.06:59
@preactionactually, cap10morgan is (i think) implementing the Asset Report Wobject, which will be basically an user-configurable interface to AssetLineage->getLineage07:00
PedersenMJDang it, is max assets per level a new feature? I don't see that (though could be blind) when making a new navigation.07:00
@preactionso, a subset of navigation's features07:00
@preactionmax assets per level might be a new feature, and it might be a good idea. nav assets can be ... slow07:00
PedersenMJI might just toss that in as an RFE, then. If it's not already in there, at least.07:01
+perlDreamermax assets per level probably won't help much07:01
+perlDreamerchildren are returned flat07:02
+perlDreamerat least not for speed anyway07:02
+perlDreamerbut I like the concept07:02
+perlDreamerrizen will point out that it will make the nav slower since it's more code07:02
PedersenMJFor me, it's not about speed. I'd like it to return just the first (x) items, and that's it.07:02
+Radix-wrkI'd like max assets per level too07:03
+perlDreamerpost it as an RFE07:03
+perlDreamerwe have karma that needs spending07:03
PedersenMJJust double-checking the latest featureset, to make sure I'm not duping existant features, first.07:03
@preactionit might speed it up, since you don't have to check so many assets (each asset you walk through in a nav has to be instanciated)07:04
+perlDreamerthat's what I was saying earlier07:04
+perlDreameryou get a flat list of kids back07:04
+perlDreamerin order to tell what level it is, you have to instanciate it07:04
@preactionno, you can tell from the lineage itself07:05
@preaction0000001 <- root. 00000010000001 <- under root, say /home 00000010000002 - under root, say /import07:05
+perlDreamerHow do you get the lineage without instanciating it?07:06
@preactionthe getLineage call in the nav asset doesn't returnObjects iirc. it also has a "max assets per level" option07:07
+perlDreamerit does07:07
+perlDreamerreturn objects, I mean07:07
+perlDreamerbut that could be optimized out07:08
@preactionthat doesn't sound good. it might have a whole branch of the tree it skips for some reason or another07:09
+perlDreamerthat's the consequence of limiting the number of assets per level07:09
+perlDreamerI'm starting to think that wG could do with some "base" assets.07:09
+perlDreamerMost Nav's show 1 level07:10
+perlDreamersimplified versions of Assets could really speed things up07:10
PedersenMJhttp://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/navigation-max-assets-per-level-/-max-assets#wUAmOUkwTuB47SjwjEfzdw07:10
@preactionisn't "ancestorLimit" what we're talking about?07:10
+perlDreamerthat's number of levels up from me (.)07:11
@preactionno, it's endingLineageLength07:11
+perlDreamerthat's depth down, not number per level07:12
@preactionthen what's ancestorLimit?07:12
+perlDreamernumber of levels up from me to display07:12
@preactionso one is depth down from root, and the other is depth up from current07:13
+perlDreamernot from root, from ., to use directory nomenclature07:13
@preactionso one is depth down from current, otre is depth up from current, nothing to limit how long those branches reach07:14
PedersenMJHowever, the idea I was originally discussing is not depth, but breadth of a given level.07:15
+perlDreameronly the select boxes for the Asset.  I think it's up or down 5-6 levels07:15
+perlDreamerPedersenMJ: exactly07:15
@preactionPedersenMJ: it might be best to lump this into the Asset Report wobject, since its plan is to not add all the nav-specific stuff and instead add all the asset's data (from Asset->get)07:16
PedersenMJI'd be okay with it either way, honestly. My big goal is to be able to allow people to create a "news" type folder, dump articles in there, and have them be pulled out (order not yet specified) and links put onto a page.07:17
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PedersenMJheading to bed myself. See you all later!08:16
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SDuensinGood morning.15:55
ckotilgood morning indeed15:56
ckotila bt nippy. but this week should mark the end of that 15:56
SDuensinIt's tired in here.  I need more coffee.16:04
ckotili had  a lot of sleep last night, and a relaxing evening. 16:04
ckotilcleaned up the house, basically spring cleaned for a couple hours16:04
ckotilwhich had me sleeping even better than usual16:05
SDuensinI watched 24 and worked on WebGUI sites.  :-)16:05
ckotilthat was a helluvan episode of 2416:10
SDuensinBest part:  "Damn, Jack."16:11
ckotilhaha16:11
ckotilhe took em all out16:11
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SDuensinGood morning, bopbop 16:35
bopbopmorning!16:35
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SDuensinHey cap10morgan 16:37
cap10morganHey16:37
SDuensinI think I broke my web host.  :-)16:44
SDuensinBut I did it in a good way...16:45
SDuensinNothing works *except* WebGUI!16:45
ckotilheh17:00
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+perlDreamerIt irks me when you try to help somebody on the boards and they completely ignore you.18:54
@rizenindeed18:55
+perlDreamerit's worse for you guys.18:56
+perlDreamerPeople pay you to help them, then they ignore you.18:56
+perlDreamerand then bad mouth you and the software18:57
@rizenstill at least we get paid, you just get shafted18:57
+perlDreamerThis is true.18:58
+perlDreamerYou always know how to cheer me up, rizen.18:58
SDuensinhehe18:58
@vaydehe has quite the bedside manner ;)18:58
+perlDreamerHey, vayde! Up for some testing?18:59
@vaydeHeh.  Lemme solve, or at least get a head start on my other labors.  Lest TMRFE be responsible for my unemployment too.19:00
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@preactionnearly five hours later, i find that the solution to my problem is incredibly stupid: http://whyiesucks.blogspot.com/2006/07/ie-cannot-set-events-via-dom-in-order.html21:13
+MrHairgreasei always use the yui to set eventhandlers21:15
+MrHairgreaseyui rocks21:15
+MrHairgreaselike elvis does21:15
SDuensinGo IE!21:15
@vaydeI have a bunch of ninjas, wanna make a trip west preaction?21:21
cap10morganHow do you get your favicon.ico file to show up as /favicon.ico on your site so IE will see it?21:21
cap10morganI've tried setting the URL to "favicon.ico" and it renders the entire asset inaccessible, even for editing21:22
+MrHairgreaseupload a file with url /favico.ico21:22
cap10morgani have to delete it21:22
@preactioni don't think i have the ... testicular fortitude to challenge Skynet21:22
@vaydethat's ok, I dont actually have any ninjas in WA.  Strangely enough, the only place I do have ninjas awaiting my commands is Minneapolis... and Madison.21:24
+perlDreamerthey can sleep over at my house!21:28
+perlDreamernow, how do we get them from WI to OR?21:28
@vaydeNot unless you want your butt kicked by a 15 yr old girl, and then your wife.21:28
+perlDreamerhm21:29
+perlDreamerI was more concerned with transportation logistics than other pursuits21:29
+perlDreamerWe have a software company that needs attitude adjustment21:29
+perlDreamerFocus21:29
+perlDreamerfocus21:30
@vaydeahh, my mistake21:30
@vaydeI'll tell you this, they'd never see her coming.21:30
@vaydeOr believe what they were seeing when a 90lb little slip of a thing starts tossing 200lb guys around like confetti21:30
+MrHairgreasecap10morgan21:31
+MrHairgreasewhat i said doesn't work21:31
cap10morganMrHairgrease: yes, I got it working though21:32
+MrHairgreasemy asset is editable though21:32
cap10morganthank you!21:32
+MrHairgreaseoh21:32
+MrHairgreasehow?21:32
cap10morgani just needed a <link rel="shortcut icon" href="/uploads/xx/xx/xxxxxxxxxxxx/favicon.ico" /> tag in the template21:32
+MrHairgreaseah21:32
+MrHairgreasedoh21:32
cap10morganthat seems to work w/ all browsers21:32
+MrHairgreasei knew that21:32
cap10morganincluding IE21:32
+MrHairgrease=)21:32
cap10morganmy devs were putting pngs everywhere and only testing on Fx21:35
cap10morganwhere those work fine :)21:35
+perlDreamercap, I know it's after the fact, but there's a wiki article on the favicon21:46
+perlDreamerhttp://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/changing-the-site-icon-in-webgui21:46
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@vaydeWow preaction, my kung fu is definitely improving if I can knock you offline with a single IM23:29
@preactionthat was YOU?23:30
@preactionmy computer just started smoking and flashing23:30
@preactionthen spat a cloud of black ink at me23:30
@preactioni'm lucky to be alive!23:30
@vaydetele-smack (tm)23:30
@vaydebeen working on it for years23:31
@preactionyou, my friend, are a God23:31
@preactionall i ask is that you use your new powers wisely23:31
@vaydeno, no, no.  you're thinking of tele-smite.  That's different23:31
@vaydeI'll have to level up before I can do that.23:31
@vaydeYou know what I don't understand?  Does anybody actually buy stock that gets advertised to you via spam?  I mean, does this strike you as a good investment?23:37
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@vaydeAnybody know how to force vi to use a certain syntax highlighting scheme?23:40
@vaydenm.  :set ft=perl will do it23:43
SDuensinvi = Virtually Incomprehensible23:43
@vaydehey, it's kinda like a secret handshake.23:44
@vaydeI have a couple students that use emacs, and I try to keep them from holding hands :P23:45
SDuensinhehe23:45
SDuensinI still stick with JOE.  Good old WordStar.23:45
SDuensinAnyway, I'm off.  Headed home.  Talk to you all later.23:47
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nubawhoa. WordStar.. now thats ancient stuff00:09
nubai remember seeing wordstar around when i was, like, 7 yrs old00:09
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perlmonkey2Ahh....I think there might have been a problem with the Plainblack website caching.  I went to the downloads page and the latest release was 7.3.3.00:55
perlmonkey2Woot....yet another hands free upgrade (7.3.5-7.3.14)01:02
+perlDreamerah yes.  Those have been rare recently01:04
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perlmonkey2Bah....Stupid Weather::Com req01:58
+perlDreamerjust force install it01:58
perlmonkey2OOInterface test on line 16701:58
perlmonkey2returning 200501:58
perlmonkey2let me guess, it was written in 200501:58
+perlDreameryup, it's a bad test01:58
perlmonkey2hmm....maybe I'll send in a patch tonight.....that is a few years for it to still be bad.01:59
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PedersenMJgood evening04:43
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perlDreame1bother05:06
perlDreame1I forgot to log off at work05:06
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perlDreame1What did you say PedersenMJ?  I have a bit of fluff in my ear...05:45
PedersenMJThat's okay, preaction . Thanks for noticin' me.05:48
@preactionyou're welcome05:48
perlDreame1Does anyone know how to make Devel::Cover generate an HTML report by default, instead of just the text one?05:52
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PedersenMJ_g'night all.07:48
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+Radix_someone needs a new password!15:16
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AMH_bobhello15:32
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SDuensinGood morning.15:52
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rizen_howdy neighbors16:44
SDuensinHey rizen 16:45
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@rizenSo how's your WebGUI migration going SD?16:53
SDuensinThe WebGUI side is going great.  Arguing with legacy crap is going to drive me to drink.  :-)16:54
@rizenI tried to make the API extremely easy to use to import existing external content. Our devs have loved it for that.16:55
@rizenBut at the same time, they always curse the legacy systems they have to export the data from16:56
@rizencuz there generally is no API16:56
@rizenso it's a bunch of raw database queries, and raw file parsing16:56
SDuensinI haven't managed to get that far yet.  I need to get the existing Drupal site running on the new server before I can deal with the migration.16:56
@rizenah16:56
@rizenis it already running elsewhere?16:56
SDuensinI did read a bit on the WebGUI stuff though.  :-)16:57
@rizenperhaps you could write your migration script to work across the net16:57
SDuensinThe Drupal site?  Yes.16:57
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SDuensinI could, but I'm time constrained on this.  I need to get all my sites off the old server so I can quit paying for it.16:57
@rizenah16:57
SDuensinYea.  Migrating servers while entertaining my 2 year old daughter was kinda tough last night.  No wonder I couldn't get it all working.  :-)16:58
@rizenthat would do it almost every time17:02
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SDuensinrizen - Simple request for the new WRE...  If you have to "setenvironment" with it, change the user's prompt so they know what environment they're in.17:30
@rizenis IRC an RFE list?17:30
SDuensinMight be.  :-)17:31
+MrHairgreaseirc = intrinsic rfe channel right?17:32
SDuensinhehehe17:32
@rizeninsignificant requests chided17:34
+MrHairgreaseintolerable rambling childtalk17:36
@rizeninsolence rhetoric and chicanery17:36
@vaydeirritable reprobates and children17:42
+MrHairgreaseirc = who gives a damn17:42
@vaydeI'm just not happy until I get to chime in with my 2 cents worth... I learned it from my ex-wife17:43
+MrHairgreaseoh17:44
+MrHairgreasei didn't know17:44
+MrHairgreaseprolly b/c i don't have an ex-wife17:44
+MrHairgrease=)17:44
@vaydeI only made 3 mistakes:  marrying a laywer, marrying THAT laywer, and getting married. =)17:45
+MrHairgreaseah well17:45
+MrHairgreaseat least they're correlated17:46
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+crythiasgreetings19:15
+crythiasperldreamer, rizen, preaction, you here?19:15
@preactionyes'm19:15
+crythiasyessir, would be more appropriate, but whatever.19:15
+crythias:)19:15
@rizenindeed19:15
+crythiasanyway. What would be the ramifications of giving a UILevel to a group?19:16
+crythiasExample being the posts by philadev regarding the Admin Group Template Var19:16
+crythiasif the *group* had an effective UI Level, that would make the editors stuck with the group's UILevel (or at least a thought of the max UILevel being the one assigned to the group)19:17
@rizenbut then which group would you go with?19:18
@rizenif each group could have a UI level19:18
@rizenand each user can be a member of various groups19:18
+crythiasMAX (YourUILevel, EditorUILevel, AdminUILevel)19:19
+crythiaser. sorry19:19
+crythiasI didn't say that right19:19
+crythiasMAX (YourUILevel,EditorUILevel,ViewerUILevel)19:19
@rizendo you understand the performance implications therein? on every request, you need to then check all the UI levels of every group that the user belongs to19:20
@rizenplus i don't even know wha tEditorUiLevel and viewerUiLevel means19:20
+crythiasFor an Asset to be edited, it checks what UI Level you have before you can perform certain functions.19:21
@rizenunless you mean the edit and view groups of the asset19:21
@rizenwhich is what it sounds like19:21
+crythiasand what group(s) of which you are members, yeah.19:21
@rizenand then you have two problems19:21
@rizenit has to recursively check all the groups of groups19:21
@rizenso we're back to performance19:21
@rizenand secondly...if it's attached to the group19:22
@rizenand the user can set which group is assigned to the asset19:22
@rizenthen they can effectively set their own ui level19:22
+crythiasthat's why I'm asking.19:22
@rizenif you want them to be able to set their own UI level19:22
@rizenthen just expose the UI Level to them in their preferences19:22
@rizenjust set the user profile field for UI level to be "editable" 19:23
@rizenand there you have it19:23
+crythiashrm. OK, then what's a good way to have some editors have some choices removed for an asset in one area but not another? can they duplicate the .pm19:23
+crythiaslike, Article.pm to Article2.pm?19:24
@rizenwhy would you ever want that?19:24
+crythias"Unfortunately, I only want the edit controls to be hidden when this asset shows up in this particular template. I'm using an asset proxy to a preconfigured navigation that is set to edit by Admin. However our users occasionally attempt to alter the few assets that are embedded in this template. Primarily because the edit icons lead them to believe they have that ability. That, of course, results in getting a permission denied error which initiates a chain o19:24
@rizeni just don't understand19:24
+crythiasnot me.19:24
@rizenthe answer is TFB19:25
@rizendo it a different way19:25
+crythiasfair 'nuff.19:25
+crythiasthe thread, btw: http://www.plainblack.com/web_design_templates_and_themes/admin-group-template-var/4#id8dUXh44OqZa7cfciuxZsaw19:25
@rizenthe reason is, there's no reason to sacrifice performance for a feature that is likely to be used by less than 1% of users,a nd then less than 1% of the time19:26
+crythiasthen again, they could simply not include the edit controls macro in the article template.19:26
@rizenyup19:26
+crythiasby macro I ment tmpl_var...19:26
+crythiasmeant. sheesh.19:26
@rizenhence "rizen: do it a different way"19:26
+crythiasyeah. I was trying to figure out the "different ways" and .. yeah. same thing I've done before. render the full document then grab the html and replace the tmp_var controls.19:27
@preactiondoes setting a thumbnail size of "1" in the collab system act specially? "1" seems to leave the image at full size instead of generating a thumbnail, but 2 will make a 2px thumb19:50
@preactionif so, i'm going to post a bug about getting that documented19:50
+perlDreamersounds like a bug19:50
+perlDreamersmells like a bug19:50
+perlDreamerbut I don't think it's a bug in the CS, it's either in Image::Magick or in Storage::Image20:00
+perlDreamerthere's a related bug in the WebGUI::Image20:08
ckotilquestion, can I uplaod mega huge iso's (cd iso's) to webgui without blowing it up?21:00
ckotiland without my db getting insanely huge21:00
@rizenit doesnt' affect db size21:01
ckotilok wikd.21:01
@rizenbut it does affect the size of your uploads folder21:01
ckotilthats fine.21:01
ckotilwe'd have to store the large files anyway21:01
@rizeneach revisiion of the file will create a new copy of the file also21:01
ckotili was going to place them in a passthru21:01
ckotilOHHH21:01
@rizenalso...your apache will likely time out uploading such a huge file21:02
ckotilheh21:02
@rizenmethinks you'd be better off doing a passthru folder21:02
ckotilnoone wants to do that :/21:02
ckotili can raise the timeout limit21:02
ckotiland i alredy raised the apreq2file size limit21:02
ckotilhrm problem with raising timeout limit, is that it raises it for every connection21:18
ckotiland that coudl be baad21:18
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cap10morganIf you have a date in a userDefined field, is it possible to do formatting on that date in the template? Or would that require a custom macro or javascript?21:21
+perlDreamerhow is the date entered?21:21
+perlDreamerepoch or human21:21
cap10morganhuman21:22
cap10morganbut mysql-style21:22
cap10morgan2007.-04-1121:23
cap10morganer, no period21:23
cap10morganweicd21:23
cap10morganwow, i can type!21:23
+perlDreameryou need to use either javascript or a custom macro21:23
cap10morganperlDreamer: ok, thanks21:23
+perlDreamerThe good news is that you can use the existing date macro for the starting point of a custom one.21:24
cap10morganperlDreamer: good call21:24
ckotildoes this seem like a timeout error? [Tue Apr 10 17:14:58 2007] [error] [client 129.79.9.37] End of file found, referer:21:25
ckotilthe file SEEMS to have been uplaoded into public/uploads just fine21:28
cap10morgani guess also, since it's a userDefined field, I could just run a query to go through and convert them all to the format I want and then tell people to input them that way in the future21:28
cap10morgansince it's not actually a date field...21:28
ckotilWORKS.21:31
ckotilthat error was from something else.21:31
ckotiltho didnt make much senes.21:32
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ckotilfolder asset needs an option to reverse alphabetise items.22:27
ckotilim going to create aan rfe, then if i have time ill try to implement22:27
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+perlDreamerckotil, that's a very simple RFE23:32
+perlDreamerIt should sail right through23:32
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ckotili think so too23:53
ckotilheading home.. have a good night23:54
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@rizenhowdy peeps01:45
+perlDreamerhey, man01:47
+perlDreamerwhat's shakin' in Wisconsin?01:47
@rizenit's been snowing here all day01:47
@rizennot to mention that i had a very busy one today01:48
+perlDreamerbut the boards have been so light...?01:48
@rizenanswered nearly 70 emails01:48
@rizenand 16 phone calls01:48
@rizenfixed two bugs01:48
+perlDreamersweet!01:48
@rizenfixed 3 server problems01:48
@rizenwrote a speech that i have to give in about an hour01:49
@rizenand interviewed two potential candidates for our new LTE position01:49
@rizenthat's a pretty full day01:49
+perlDreamerwhat's an LTE?01:49
+perlDreamerLinux Technical Expert01:51
@rizenLimited Term Employment01:52
+perlDreamerLoud Typewriter Executioner01:52
+perlDreamerah01:52
@rizeni want to hire someone for a few months to clean up bugs and write tests01:52
@rizencuz everone on staff is so busy with projects and stuff01:52
+perlDreamerIt's so busy preaction hasn't even been talking on IRC that much01:53
@rizenyup01:53
@rizenvery busy01:53
@rizenhe, like me, is sharing Frank's workload while he's on vacation01:54
+perlDreamerFrank's on vacation?01:54
+perlDreamerno way01:54
@rizenhe's doing the dev stuff that frank does, and i'm writing up quote requests and dev specs01:54
+perlDreamerFrank work's like 16 hours a day 6 days/week01:54
@rizenyup, and burned out because of it01:54
+perlDreamerthat's no good01:55
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nubawho's Frank?02:12
nubaas in, irc nick..02:12
@rizenhe's on here so little i don't even know02:12
@rizenrizzo maybe02:12
@preactionkhenn02:13
@rizenah, there you go02:13
@preactionmsg chanserv access #webgui list02:13
@rizeni'm sitting at a coffee shop02:24
@rizenand there are three girls sitting next to me02:24
@rizenwho have a LPM that's off the charts02:25
@rizenLPM = 'likes' per minute02:25
@rizenit's so 'like', just, 'like',  do it, 'like', you know02:25
cap10morganthat's, like, a bummer, rizen02:25
@preactionomg like seriously?02:25
@preactionrotflol omg gtg kthxbye02:26
@rizenit's giving me a headache02:26
@rizenmethinks i'll have to move02:26
@rizenit's almost time to head over to madmongers to give my talk02:26
@rizenso i guess i'll just shutdown and head over there02:26
@rizentalk at you later guys02:26
@rizenlike goodbye or something02:26
@rizenlike so totally like later02:26
@preactionomg <3 ttyl bbq02:27
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cap10morganhehe02:27
+perlDreamerponies02:29
+perlDreamerkittens02:29
+perlDreamerpuppies02:29
@preactionOMG KITTENS02:29
@preactionhey... it's not caturday02:30
@preactionwait. every day is caturday!02:30
cap10morganhttp://www.rathergood.com/02:30
+perlDreamerpreaction: you going to be around later tonight?  I'd like to talk about the calendar with you.02:30
@preactioni might be, otherwise i have a "vacation" coming up, and after i accomplish the one thing i want, i've got a large calendar rewrite/refactor to do (to fix bugs and basically do everything that i half-assed in the 6 hours before release)02:31
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cap10morganI have a phantom asset type being loaded at the top of my new content menu. Where can I find out what all classes WebGUI is loading into that?03:09
cap10morganIt has no name and acts like a Navigation asset if I try to deploy (but all the i18n strings are blank).03:10
cap10morgannm, i deleted my Asset_Navigation.pm l10n file03:31
cap10morganhaha03:31
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PedersenMJgood eventide.04:12
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PedersenMJOkay, must ask: How does everybody else deal with the "I'm not in the mood to do any coding/etc" blues, and get themselves motivated?05:45
* PedersenMJ drops a pin06:05
* PedersenMJ notes that it was a pin from a hand grenade?06:21
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+Radix-wrkhey roy06:25
+snapcounthow's it going?06:27
+snapcountshould be about lunch time in your neck of the woods right about now eh?06:28
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+Radix-wrkyup.. just about :)06:37
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PedersenMJOkay, I'm lame, I admit it, but I just played Doom 3 for the first time ever. I'd heard good things, but never actually tried it. Gonna buy it ASAP.08:03
+snapcountcan you download a demo?08:03
PedersenMJYeah, and that's how I got to try it this time, actually.08:04
+snapcountI'll have to check it out then08:05
+snapcountthat's how I got hooked on supcom so maybe I shouldn't...08:05
* snapcount ponders08:05
PedersenMJI've only ever had two games that really affected my heart rate. The 7th Guest (play most of it overnight, with the lights out, and headphones on, by yourself, it gets creepy), and Doom 3.08:06
PedersenMJI'm now doing my cool off, to return to normal, before trying for sleep. That, and I need to find the duct tape mod for it.08:06
+snapcountI'll have to try it out then... I've got surround sound and a sub now on my system08:06
PedersenMJOh crap... I can't imagine what that would do to me with lights out. And I didn't even make it very far!08:08
+snapcountyou're getting me all excited =D08:08
PedersenMJhttp://ducttape.glenmurphy.com/08:08
PedersenMJTrust me, you *want* the duct tape mod. Trying to switch between flashlight and shotgun is *very* difficult to do when having the living crap beat (or shot!) out of you.08:09
PedersenMJBTW, the demo I downloaded was 465 megs (the freaking !demo!)08:10
+Radix-wrkthat's pretty small in this day and age08:10
PedersenMJReally? Huh, guess I've been out of PC gaming for far too long then. I remember when 80 megs was huge.08:11
+Radix-wrksupreme commander demo is 1.2GB, C&C 3 demo is 1.8GB, and that's getting almost average08:11
+Radix-wrkhttp://www.fileplanet.com/top50.aspx?s=174&v=9000108:12
PedersenMJGeez. Yep, I've been out of it.08:13
+Radix-wrkSorry.. got those mixed up.. supcom was 1GB, C&C 1.2, and something else was 1.8GB08:13
PedersenMJWell, for that, you get thirty lashes with a wet noodle.08:13
PedersenMJAdministered by JT at his earliest leisure.08:13
+Radix-wrkI got accepted into the LOTR online beta.. and the install for that was a whopping 3.5GB08:13
PedersenMJSomeday, I'll be willing to do that. For now, though, I needed a game to play that was more action than stuff like minesweeper/etc. And I wasn't finding it anyplace else. The D3 demo was perfect for me :)08:15
+Radix-wrkWe had a customer complain recently about the size of our new installers for our software here - 64MB08:15
+Radix-wrkgenerated a lot of in-house discussion on it all.. I did a bit of research to show that it's actually pretty small in this day and age08:16
PedersenMJMeh. If it fits on a CD, I'm okay with it as an installer. And 64MB? That's not too much. Especially when you consider that that is a whole program.08:17
+Radix-wrkHalf-Life episode one has some freaky bits with flashlights btw08:17
+Radix-wrkthere's a couple of spots in that where you get rushed by a heap of creeps in a building underground, and your flashlight batteries never last long enough..08:18
PedersenMJI'd love to play Half-Life. But have heard too many complaints with Steam. And really dislike the fact that if my net connect goes down, I lose ability to play the game.08:18
PedersenMJUnless things have changed in a big way, HL2+ is out for me.08:19
+Radix-wrkpfft.. you can still play offline :P08:19
PedersenMJI *thought* I heard that if the game can't connect to Steam, it won't start. Did I misunderstand?08:19
+Radix-wrkthere is a steam offline mode for games08:20
PedersenMJOkay, things have improved. That's good.08:21
+Radix-wrkYou do need to be ONLINE to select that mode.08:21
+Radix-wrkthat's the big fubar really.. you essentially download your license and lock it when you do so - so you need access to the steam servers to get your license.08:22
+Radix-wrkOnce you've done so, you're fine though08:22
* PedersenMJ shakes his head. That's far enough for me. Valve may have the greatest game ever made. But I very much doubt I'll be willing to put up with Steam.08:22
+Radix-wrkSteam rocks if you're online though.08:23
+Radix-wrkIt makes updates very simple08:23
+Radix-wrkYou can install it on another machine and download the whole game easily08:23
+Radix-wrkit means licenses for games are dictated by your steam username/pass rather than machines, etc.08:24
PedersenMJMost times, I am online, true. But, as I've just been reminded by another program I use: When it's not available, and I need it then, I'm going to be pissed off. I'll just avoid the pissed off part.08:24
+Radix-wrkit never bothered me08:26
PedersenMJIt would me, sooner or later. It's why I left Windows behind. It's why I'm pondering writing up a GPL'ed CacheMate replacement right now, since I don't have the source, and can't fix my problem because of it (and yes, I could, and would, fix it otherwise).08:27
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PedersenMJAnyway, heading to bed now. Good <insert time of day here>, all!08:37
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SDuensinGood morning!15:38
AMH_bobEh, goodmorning back to you!16:10
SDuensinHey AMH_bob 16:10
AMH_bobAll is well I hope?16:10
AMH_bob(btp it's 3 pm here)16:10
SDuensinWell enough.  I won't really know until I get through my coffee.  :-)16:10
AMH_bobEnjoy!16:11
SDuensinHehe16:11
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@rizenAs I was going to St. Ives,18:00
@rizenI met a man with seven wives,18:00
@rizenEvery wife had seven sacks,18:00
@rizenEvery sack had seven cats,18:00
@rizenEvery cat had seven kits -18:00
@rizenKits, cats, sacks, and wives,18:00
@rizenHow many were going to St. Ives?18:00
@vayde118:01
SDuensin:-)18:02
@vaydethere once was a man from nantucket,18:03
@vayde... nevermind18:03
@rizenyou win, and the prize is.............drum roll..........a swift kick in the nuts18:03
AMH_bobBruce Willis fans I asume?18:03
@vaydeI always win the cool prizes18:04
AMH_bobHave a nice day (it's 5 pm here and I'm leaving for home)18:05
AMH_bobbye!18:05
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@rizenbye bob18:10
@rizencrap...didn't get him before he left18:10
SDuensinToo slow, chicken marengo!18:10
@rizendon't make me come over there sd18:10
@rizeni might be forced to give vaydes prize to you18:11
SDuensinI'm not scared of you!  I've seen your code!  :-P18:11
@rizenwhat's that supposed to mean?18:11
* SDuensin is in a goofy mood. Too much coffee or something.18:11
@rizeni vote to kickban SD for 3 minutes18:11
@rizenall in favor, say aye18:12
@rizenthe ayes have it18:12
SDuensinYou should be nice to me.  I'm your biggest fan.  :-)18:12
@rizenYou are?18:12
@vaydethe eyes are above the nose18:12
SDuensinI am!18:12
SDuensinJust ask me!18:12
@rizeni was not aware that it was possible to have fans in the software industry18:12
@rizeni thought that was reserved for sports and moviestars18:13
@rizenoh, and rockstars18:13
SDuensinNa.  They're all deadbeats.18:13
SDuensinI'm (still) gearing up to really push WebGUI as the ultimate web solution.18:15
@rizenand then you'll convert ZKdesktop to be a webgui addon?18:16
SDuensinSure, if you help me work out the integration.  18:17
SDuensinI'm still having problems seeing how the two really fit together.  :-(18:17
@rizensomeday we'll have to schedule a phone call or something18:20
@rizenand i can explain it to you18:20
SDuensinThat'd be cool.  Anything I can do to help WebGUI rule the world.18:20
SDuensinI really wish I could have stuck with WebGUI during the 6.xx days.  It's nice to be back.18:21
@rizeni understand why you and some other people didn't though18:21
@rizen6.x was rough18:21
@rizenthat's part of why we're spending so much time stabilizing 718:22
@rizenwe want people to have a very good and easy time with webgui18:22
SDuensinWasn't so much issues with 6.xx as much as it was finding a place to host it.18:22
@rizenah18:23
@rizentrue enough. webgui can't be hosted by mortal hosting companies18:23
SDuensin:-)18:24
SDuensinI think I finally have a solution that 1) I can afford, 2) Runs WebGUI, and 3) Runs my other odd stuff.  Now it's time to push it and make some money!18:25
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+perlDreamerHmmm... I'm busy today, but saw this and thought MrHairGrease would enjoy it.19:17
+perlDreamerhttp://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2007/04/real_xeyes.html19:17
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ckotilhaha19:27
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ckotilanyone know which assets have the reverse sort option?22:06
@rizenonly cs as far as i know22:07
ckotilok.22:08
ckotilthx22:08
xdangerO how nice.... I forgot my ibook's charger at home... went to my parents for a long weekend..22:09
@rizencrap22:09
@rizenis there an apple store nearby?22:09
xdangerno..22:17
xdangerIt's a very small town.. about 7k residents..22:17
xdangerI was going to work tommorow, but that's kinda hard with out my computes,ssh-keys,documents etc...22:18
ckotilhrm the sorting done by the cs, isnt what i had in mind.22:21
xdangertomorrow even..22:21
ckotili swore i saw an asset that had a radio button you could put to yes or no to reverse sort.22:21
ckotilmaybe i was dreaming.22:21
@rizenfolder has one for sorting alphabetically23:02
@rizenbut not reverse23:02
ckotilyah.23:10
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cap10morganDoes the "Encrypt content" setting give up trying to redirect to https:// after a few tries and just show the page unencrypted?23:26
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cap10morganactually, it doesn't seem to be doing anything at all? was the Encrypt content setting disabled for sites running in the WRE?23:52
@rizenencrypt content forces the url in the nav23:57
@rizento use https23:57
@rizenbut that's all it does23:57
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@preactiondoes anyone know of a problem with instances of isSerial workflows? i think i found a bug00:46
@rizenwhat's the problem00:46
@preactionlib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm line 276 -- it looks to be trying to find the workflowId instead of the instanceId to find if this is the oldest instance of the instance (the one that should be run)00:47
@preactionat least, i keep trying to run an instance of an isSerial workflow from the admin console, and no matter what it returns "waiting" because of that line00:48
@rizenyeah, it should only run the oldest instance of a given workflow type00:49
@rizenlooking at code00:49
@preactionso it should get the instanceId of the oldest one, and only run if that matches the current instance00:49
@rizencorrect00:50
@rizenthat query probably should have a "limit 1"00:50
@rizenattached to the end of it00:50
@rizenbut other than that, it looks good00:50
@rizendon't try to check anything in right now though, i'm reorging the svn repo00:51
@preactionk00:51
@preactionselect instanceId from WorkflowInstance where workflowId=? order by runningSince <- that's my new query00:51
@rizenoh wait00:52
@rizeni see what you're saying00:52
@rizenyeah, the code is screwed up00:52
@rizencuz the if00:53
@rizenshould also use $self->getId00:53
@preactionyeah, that too00:53
@rizenrather than $workflow->getId00:53
@rizeni'll have the repo fixed in a few minutes00:53
@preactionk00:53
@rizenbut you'll need to check out from svn again before you can commit00:53
@rizenbecause the pathing is going to be different00:53
@preactionok, np00:57
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@preactionalong with the subversion hosting, is webgui.org going to provide other forge-like things? bug forums, project management, site hosting perhaps?02:23
@rizenmaybe...one step at a time02:27
@rizeni would like to get to that point eventually02:27
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+perlDreameruhm, so what's the new URL for doing a svn checkout?02:35
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@preactionsvn co https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI <- iirc02:36
+perlDreamerthanks, preaction!02:36
@preactionbefore we get to those other forge-like things, i think the project manager should get some new features (like built-in bug tracking, version/milestones tracking, and other things like launchpad.net has)02:37
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+perlDreamerhow 'bout we just fix all the bugs first?02:42
@preactionyou... trying to keep us focused and on-track...02:42
+perlDreameryes...02:43
+perlDreamerand I have a whole slew of RFEs to check in ;)02:43
@preactionas in new code? word02:43
+perlDreamerthere is a tertiary reason02:43
+perlDreamerI read this today02:43
+perlDreamerhttp://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/04/yahoo_open_sour_1.html02:43
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+perlDreamerHere's my favorite quote from it:02:43
+perlDreamer"Therefore, CMSs are moving toward competing not on features, but  02:44
+perlDreamer>on ease of use, aesthetics, support, and other dimensions [this is  02:44
+perlDreamer>classic Clay Christensen innovation curve stuff -- as all products  02:44
+perlDreamer>begin to meet customers basic needs, they must compete on other  02:44
+perlDreamer>dimensions of performance]"02:44
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SDuensinYES!  I think I finally have all my Apaches playing nicely together!03:43
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* PedersenMJ wavies.05:10
SDuensinhey PedersenMJ 05:10
PedersenMJHow's it going?05:10
SDuensinMaking good progress tonight!  Still killing WebGUI, but I think I know why.05:10
SDuensinPretty sure in my database my site name is "www.duensing.com" and in DNS it's "new.duensing.com".  Breaks mod_proxy when it tries to go to the wrong IP.05:11
PedersenMJPoor WG. Getting killed, resurrected, and killed again, for no good reason. Poor little wg.05:12
SDuensinIt needs to toughen up!  Quit being such a wimp!05:12
SDuensin:-)05:12
SDuensinI've been working on my host all evening.  I think I finally have all three instances of Apache playing nicely together with the management software they use.05:12
PedersenMJGah. You sound like my sister. And no, that is *not* a compliment.05:13
SDuensin:-P05:13
PedersenMJMy sister, btw, is a teacher. Elementary Ed. And her response to the kids who get picked on? They need to learn to stand up for themselves. So she won't do anything to intervene.05:14
SDuensinThis dual modperl/modproxy setup is going to kill me.05:14
PedersenMJI never did that setup myself. Mine is a single Apache instance.05:15
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SDuensinThey recommend the WRE, I run the WRE.  :-)05:15
SDuensinOk, damn.  Something else is causing the problem.  The database says "new.duensing.com" just like it should.05:16
PedersenMJI'll run the WRE for one reason only: Its easier. I had need of something in particular (damned if I can remember what it was, though), which precluded my using the WRE, so I made it work by hand.05:16
SDuensinSo any idea why one of my three sites does this?05:17
SDuensinBad Gateway05:17
SDuensinThe proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.05:17
SDuensinThe other two work.05:17
PedersenMJMaybe it just doesn't like the brand of computer it's runing on?05:17
SDuensinWorked before I backed it up and restored it.05:19
PedersenMJSeriously, I'd check the upstream, wherever that might be. Sounds like it doesn't know how to respond to the request it's being given (specifically, check the error.log there).05:20
SDuensinThe log has the IP for "www" in it, not "new".05:21
PedersenMJDoes the upstream know about www though?05:22
SDuensinThe other odd thing is that when it fails, Apache dies!05:23
PedersenMJEwww.05:23
SDuensinLog says:05:24
SDuensin[Thu Apr 12 22:19:58 2007] [error] (111)Connection refused: proxy: HTTP: attempt to connect to 64.91.249.237:82 (new.duensing.com) failed05:24
SDuensin[Thu Apr 12 22:20:03 2007] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down05:24
SDuensin64.91.249.237 isn't new.duensing.com.  It's www.duensing.com.05:25
SDuensinOk, so DNS is screwed up.  Hmm.05:26
PedersenMJCheck that server, and see what it says for which name gets which ip address? Most reliable method is usually to ping.05:27
SDuensinYea. that server is wrong.05:27
PedersenMJCheck /etc/hosts then?05:28
SDuensinYea.  I gotta find it in the control panel so things stay in sync.05:29
SDuensinI've already trashed this server once.  Don't want to ask them to install it again.  :-)05:30
PedersenMJAh, but trashing the server is fun! :)05:30
SDuensinCan I flush my DNS cache on Linux?05:36
PedersenMJI've never had to try, honestly. I don't know how.05:37
SDuensinSame here.  :-)05:37
SDuensinOS X is "lookupd -flushcache"05:37
PedersenMJThe only suggestion I would have would be to verify that nslookup gives you the right results, and then restart Apache.05:37
SDuensinOk, now the dumb control panel says Apache is down.  ps says otherwise.05:37
PedersenMJWell, the control panel could be a bit behind the times. Or maybe it's watching for when Apache is actually accepting connections.05:40
SDuensinOpenDNS knows who I am.05:42
SDuensinScrew it.  "reboot" fixes things.05:46
PedersenMJUsually. Unless it's Windows, in which case it only probably does :)05:46
SDuensinIt's a VM with CentOS4 in it.05:47
PedersenMJSo, where you parking that, and how much is it costing you?05:48
SDuensinLiquidWeb.   $100 a month.05:48
SDuensinI had the $60 package, but it ran out of RAM as soon as I started WebGUI.05:48
PedersenMJDang. Too much for me. I pay $100/month for business class. Drawback: I'm responsible for my own servers. Advantage: I'm responsible for my own servers :)05:49
SDuensinKinda the same here.  It's my box.  I'm root.  I just don't have to maintain it.  And they have far more bandwidth than I could ever hope to have.05:50
PedersenMJTrue, but I'm saving the broadband bill, basically. I pay $100/month for my broadband, *and* for ability to host my own servers. To me, it's worth it.05:52
SDuensinI can't get enough bandwidth where I'm at to be a decent host.05:54
PedersenMJAh, I worry about that myself. So, I just make sure I'm too boring to slashdot or digg :)05:55
SDuensinGotta run - night bud.06:08
PedersenMJg'night, cya l8r06:10
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SDuensinGood morning.15:47
AMH_bobGood morning!15:48
SDuensinHey AMH_bob.15:48
AMH_bobI was about to get really sad about my WebGUI progress....15:48
AMH_bobbut, a small progress has been made and it's looking good again15:49
AMH_bobHow was your coffee this morning?15:49
SDuensinMaking tea today.  Working from home.  :-)15:51
SDuensinMy WebGUI progress has been mixed lately as well.  Dang WRE keeps blowing up on me.15:52
AMH_bobHaha, I have not had that problem; somebody else made some virtual machines we can work on.15:53
AMH_bobI'm just doing development15:53
SDuensinI'd like to get far enough to do development.  :-/15:53
AMH_bob:P Wait until someone trough's you in without documentation and makes you do it :P15:54
AMH_bobBut it's a lot of fun when things start working right! 15:55
AMH_bob(Thank god for those beautiful moments when it works right!)15:55
SDuensinI'm waiting for that moment.  Maybe later today.15:56
AMH_bobNow I'm gonna start on the i18n stuff - that has to be done too. I'll catch ya later!15:57
SDuensinSee ya!15:58
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@rizenAMH_bob: how's the project progressing overall?16:35
SDuensinMorning, rizen.16:35
@rizenhowdy16:36
SDuensinEver have Apache run out of semaphore-arrays?16:36
@rizenyup16:36
SDuensinWhat'd I do wrong to cause it?16:36
AMH_bobHi rizen, We're making progress16:36
@rizengenerally speaking you only run out of semaphores if your apache processes are being killed or are crashing16:37
AMH_bobAMH_mari has made a perl template converter to convert our existing templates16:37
SDuensinCrashing would cover it.  :-/16:38
AMH_bobour Designer is getting into making new templates 16:38
@rizenyou should know that the restart command in wremonitor cleans up semaphores16:38
AMH_bobI'm working on template selection16:38
SDuensinThe WRE mod_proxy server keeps blowing up for some odd reason.16:38
@rizenso you could use that if you need to16:38
SDuensinThat's helpful to know.16:38
@rizenAMH_bob. glad to hear it16:38
@rizenthat's cool that your templates were standard enough16:39
@rizenthat you could use a perl script to convert them16:39
AMH_bobWe're running on Virtual Machines for development;16:39
@rizenlike VMWare?16:39
AMH_bobour WebGUI server still has to be optimized, but thats not a priority yet16:39
AMH_bobyep VMWare machines running fedora core 616:40
@rizensweet16:40
@rizeni use  a VMWare serverfarm for WRE development and builds16:40
AMH_bobyep, we're rolling along just nicely16:40
@rizenit's just easier to work on lots of os's16:40
@rizenbut i can imagine that it would also be good for creating contained dev environments16:41
AMH_bobcool, they sure save a lot of time configuring - you just get out a copy or backup and your up in no time!16:41
@rizeneach of our employee's gets high end laptops so they can run their own environment right on their local machine16:41
@rizentrue enough16:42
AMH_bobI'm acutually running a fedora workstation in a VM machine and WebGUI in another, on the same machine16:43
AMH_bob(I'm really happy I have a high end laptop too)16:43
@rizensome of our devs do that too. our laptops are all mac, but some of our devs prefer to do their dev work on ubuntu or RHEL so they use parallels for that16:44
SDuensinMACK!16:44
* SDuensin cheers!16:44
@rizenSD, are you a mac user?16:44
AMH_bobMy home machine is a Mac and my test laptop is an Ubuntu machine16:44
SDuensinOn a MacBook Pro right now.  :-)16:44
AMH_bobMac rocks!16:45
@rizenAMH_bob, what platform will you deploy on?16:45
AMH_bobprobably Fedora Core 616:46
AMH_bobAbout the wiki on the site... it seems a bit unorganized... 16:47
@rizeni'm afraid i can't allow you to use FC616:47
AMH_bobeh?16:47
@rizenjust kidding16:47
@rizen=)16:47
AMH_bob:sigh:16:47
@rizendon't you think that wiki's in general a disorganized?16:48
ckotilmedia wiki is organized as long as the content manager knows what they are doing16:49
ckotilthats my stab at the wiki asset.16:49
SDuensinHey ckotil 16:50
AMH_bobnot necessarily, just chuck a general structured table of contents on the front and let people fill in the blanks. 16:50
ckotilhello16:50
AMH_boba moderator can keep an eye on the toc16:50
@rizenthere's no reason someone can't create a TOC 16:50
@rizenjust no one has16:50
@rizenif they did I'd link to it from the front page16:51
AMH_bob:D16:52
AMH_bobI'll have a go at it to night...16:52
AMH_bobalthough I don't have enough rights for it 16:53
AMH_bobcould you bump me up? 16:53
AMH_bobwebgui user: rbroen16:53
AMH_bobnever mind, the toc is there, but not the first page from the menu16:55
AMH_bobthat's kinda odd - isn't it?16:55
AMH_bobBoy, that took 10 weeks more to find than you would expect!16:56
ckotilurl?16:56
AMH_bobhttp://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/webgui-installation-table-of-contents16:57
@rizenthat's just for that one section though16:57
ckotilah.16:57
@rizenthat's the TOC for installation16:57
@rizenAMH_bob...you don't need any special privs to add a page to the wiki16:57
AMH_bobok, so back on topic.... a toc for the wiki16:58
@rizenjust search for the page you're looking for, and if you don't find it, you'll be prompted to add it16:58
AMH_bobOk, I'll try and start a gereral TOC tonight (tonight starts in 4 hours over here...)16:59
@rizenok16:59
@rizenwell i gotta go peeps17:00
@rizennice talking with you AMH_bob17:00
@rizenand yes, the rest of you are chopped liver17:00
SDuensin:-P17:00
AMH_bob:P Have a good one!17:00
AMH_bobbye17:00
* SDuensin is reinstalling the WRE *again*.17:00
+MrHairgreasedoes anyone know if it's possible to use a mysql 4.1 client17:08
+MrHairgreaseto talk to a mysql 5 server?17:08
SDuensinMaybe.  Probably need to use old passwords on the server.17:08
+MrHairgreaseie. complie dbd::mysql against that client17:09
+MrHairgreaseusing its mysql_config that is17:09
+MrHairgreasethe old pw stuff is mysql 3- problem17:09
+MrHairgreaseIs anybody already using the xeyes macro17:37
+MrHairgreasewe've installed it on our corporate intranet17:37
SDuensinhehehe17:38
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+MrHairgreaserizedn18:13
+MrHairgreaserizen18:13
+MrHairgreasedo you have any idea what's wrong if a site you've just transfered to another apache just shows a blank screen?18:14
+MrHairgreasenothing in the logs18:14
+MrHairgreasejust one entry in the acces log18:14
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+perlDreamerckotil: try assetData.title DESC19:26
+perlDreamereh, I mean "assetData.title DESC"19:27
ckotilOK19:37
+perlDreamerand if DESC doesn't work, invert it.  I'm forever forgetting what the default is19:37
ckotilworks perfectly19:39
ckotilthank you.19:40
ckotilthis litle hack will be fine until my rfe gets enough karma19:40
+perlDreamerhas your RFE been rated?19:40
ckotilhttp://globalnoc.iu.edu/nlr/support/weekly-reporting/l1--weekly-reports.html19:40
ckotilnot sure.19:40
ckotili need this functionality for that page19:40
ckotilmy service desk uplaods weekly reports, and they dread manually changing the rank19:41
ckotillamerz.19:41
ckotilbuncha lamerz.*19:41
+perlDreamerwell, here's the story19:42
+perlDreamerrated RFEs are approved to be added19:42
+perlDreamerthe highest ranked RFE gets built by Plain Black19:42
ckotilok, it has been rated.19:42
ckotila good rating too. seems 1:119:42
ckotilor however that works19:42
+perlDreamerbut any approved RFE can be added to wG by someone with commit access19:42
+perlDreamerlike me, or MrHairGrease, etc.19:43
+perlDreamerif you got a 1:1 rating, that's awesome19:43
ckotil;]19:44
+perlDreamerattach the patch to the RFE and I'll talk to JT about adding it in for 7.419:44
ckotileh, its going to take a lot more than simply appending DESC to the table column, it will need a select box and all that jazz in the display tab19:45
ckotilbeyond my skills19:45
+perlDreamerno way19:45
+perlDreamerhere's how to add the select box19:45
+perlDreamerfind sub definition in Folder.pm19:45
ckotilheh, ok ok. ill give it a shot19:46
+perlDreamerfigure out which tab it goes in (Display)19:46
ckotiland i see how to check to see if the box is selected or not.19:46
+perlDreamerright.19:46
ckotilif ($self->get("sortAlphabetically"));  so if i name the box reverseSort, i would get("reverseSort"));19:46
+perlDreameryes19:46
ckotilcan i have multiple %rules then?19:47
+perlDreamersure19:47
ckotilok good deal19:47
+perlDreameralso, if you want to go nuts, you could add multiple sort criteria19:47
+perlDreamerdateUpdated19:47
+perlDreamerdateCommitted19:47
+perlDreamertitle19:47
+perlDreameror the default, which is lineage (order added)19:47
ckotilyah, thats how it works in the cs asset19:47
+perlDreamerah, then you could copy it wholesale!19:47
ckotilheh19:48
+perlDreameronce you get the API, you can build incredible things really quickly19:48
cap10morganwhat's the best way to determine which asset revision is the current one (in a sql report)?19:48
+perlDreamerassetData.revisionDate=(SELECT max(revisionDate) from assetData where assetData.assetId=asset.assetId)19:49
cap10morganperlDreamer: yuck, subqueries. ;) ok, thanks, i'll try that.19:49
+perlDreamercap10morgan: if you can figure out a different way to do it, then you'll be our new wG hero.19:50
+perlDreamerno one likes the subqueries19:50
cap10morganperlDreamer: haha19:50
cap10morgani'm spending my time on that AssetReport asset instead19:50
cap10morgani hate sql reports on the webgui database19:50
+perlDreamerthey're not fun, that's for sure19:51
cap10morganreally, subqueries would be sweet if mysql lifted even a pinky to do basic optimization of them19:54
+perlDreameryou aren't a postgresql evangelist, are you?19:55
cap10morganit seems to treat them all as dependent subqueries, when really it should just be running the majority of them once, storing the result in a static list somewhere, and then running a regular query using that list19:56
cap10morganbut it doesn't...19:56
cap10morganperlDreamer: never used it :)20:03
cap10morganI use and like MySQL, I just have some pet peeves w/ it.20:03
cap10morganOn a totally unrelated topic: Do the collab systems in v.7 no longer have a notion of a moderator?20:05
+perlDreamerI think they do...  Maybe it's more of a commit workflow, though20:05
cap10morganwell, the thing i really need is for a group to be allowed to edit any post20:06
cap10morganbut not the CS asset itself20:06
+perlDreamerIt can be done.20:07
+perlDreamerThat's how JT set me up to close bugs on the PB bug board.20:07
+perlDreamerbut I don't know how to do it20:07
cap10morganperlDreamer: ok, i'll keep digging. thanks!20:08
ckotilpd: got it. it was pretty easy to add the select box. now i need to add the right i8ln stuff20:15
+perlDreameri18n is pretty easy too20:16
+perlDreamerit's just a hash20:16
+perlDreamerthere's also a test to make sure the i18n is set up correctly, if you have problems with it20:19
+perlDreamerand the last step will be to add it to the Help20:20
+perlDreamerand of course, the real question is "Who will make the 4000th commit to WebGUI?"20:28
ckotili just copied and pasted around in the Folder i18n file20:49
ckotilworks fine.20:49
ckotilnow that i have this working, im going back to try to have a drop down box20:49
ckotilripping it from the cs asset, but its giving me this error about not being able to find object getContentLastModified20:49
ckotilim gonna check to see what that is exactly20:50
ckotilwell i was unable to straight rip off the drop down box from the cs assets properties hash20:54
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+perlDreamerthat error is usually a perl syntax error21:01
ckotil=] got the drop down21:13
ckotilill post both versions to the rfe21:13
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+perlDreamerYou're turning into a monster, ckotil00:01
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+perlDreamerevening, SDuensin05:20
SDuensinHello perlDreamer 05:21
+perlDreamerI spent all day writing API tests for the Assets.05:30
+perlDreamerFound 4 bugs05:30
+perlDreamermake that 5 bugs05:33
+perlDreamerthis last bug is kind of out there05:34
+perlDreamerthere's about a 1 in 1 million chance of hitting it05:35
SDuensinRock on.05:47
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GlennLHi folks - I'm new to this channel (actually I'm new to IRC)11:27
pjesihi GlennL11:30
GlennLHi there - sorry my IRC client didn't ring when you answered12:00
GlennLI'm using Miranda12:00
GlennLSorry I have to go now - I hope to be back again soon12:04
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pjesi:-)12:12
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wgGuest09I have never posted on an IRC so may be totally out of order, but may I ask a question about webgui?20:28
Radix__Sure.. ask away.. just make sure you stick around for an answer :)20:30
Radix__we're all on different time zones on here.. so there's usually someone around, but you may need to wait a while for someone who can actually answer it!20:30
wgGuest09I hope it is simple.  I understand a folder and page layout but what is dashboard?20:31
Radix__Hmm.. a dashboard is a sort of dynamic object that can contain many other objects20:32
pjesiI have never used it nor understood it20:32
Radix__It's used for portals generally20:33
Radix__imagine it as a customisable page20:33
Radix__you can add shortcuts to other assets to a dashboard and the user can then select from those assets for their own page20:33
Radix__We use it at our company for a front page, the user can select different articles and links based on their job roles20:34
pjesion the intranet?20:34
Radix__one user might have one customised layout, another user might have a totally different oe20:34
Radix__one20:34
Radix__yeah20:34
Radix__it's a tricky one to explain really20:35
wgGuest09gotcha, so i could run a website using webgui and never use a dashboard asset.20:35
Radix__sure, most people don't ;)20:35
pjesiyes20:35
Radix__I didn't understand it myself until I had it shown to me at the WUC20:35
wgGuest09thanks very much. i need to learn how to register and use this irc i guess.20:36
Radix__grab an irc client, and jump on freenode #webgui :)20:36
Radix__I use xchat myself, but ymmv20:36
pjesikonversation here :)20:36
pjesiand irssi20:36
Radix__yup.. there's many options for irc these days ;)20:37
pjesitrue20:37
pjesimost of my friends think that mIRC and IRC is the same, just like IE and WWW :-)20:38
Radix__You're welcome to ask as many questions about stuff on irc.. only request we make is that if we help you understand something better in Webgui then write a wiki article to help others :)20:38
Radix__pjesi: yeah, hate that personally.. which is why I use firefox and xchat ;)20:39
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+Radix_Anyway.. my job here is done.. time to head off to bed.. nite ;)20:41
pjesinite20:42
pjesistill sunny over here :)20:42
nuba'night20:43
wgGuest09thanks again and nie radix20:43
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+perlDreamerAn early OSCON schedule has been published03:05
+perlDreamerw00t!03:05
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+perlDreamerpreaction, vayde, you guys available for a core API talk?05:51
@preactionplaying DDR, can't05:51
@vaydenot right now.  rebuilding my system  Ubuntu Feisty05:52
@vaydepreaction, btw skype runs perfect under feisty05:52
@preactionabout damn time05:52
+perlDreamerwell, I admire your priorities.  Doing important stuff instead of goofing off like me.05:52
SDuensinHey gang.05:54
@vaydeHey, either I have to make this box work for everything, or JT is gonna make me use a mac05:54
SDuensinMACK!  YEA!05:54
@preactionyou're already going to be made to use a mac05:54
@vaydebleck05:54
@vaydeWe hates it to pieces05:54
+perlDreamerIt's better than WIndows...05:54
@preactionthere's a reason I don't have ubuntu on this thing05:55
@vaydethat's not saying much05:55
@preactionbecause iirc Fiesty supports intel macs 100%05:55
@preactioni almost got edgy to work completely05:55
@vaydeI hope Feisty goes well for you.  05:56
@vaydeI'm not gonna use that 'thing' if I don't have to.  It's sluggish and unresponsive compared with my Ubuntu05:56
SDuensinAnybody ever have their WRE die for no good reason?  I keep getting "[notice] SIGTERM received" and Apache dies.05:56
+perlDreamerthat could be Apache::SizeLimit kicking in05:57
SDuensinOh?05:57
SDuensinTeach me, Obi Wan.05:58
@vaydeHe's more of a Qui-Gon05:58
SDuensinhehe05:58
+perlDreamerApache::SizeLimit is used to prevent your apache kids from leaking memory05:58
+perlDreamerwhen they get too big, then they get reaped05:58
SDuensinYea, but *all* of them?05:58
SDuensinWhere is that setting?05:59
+perlDreamerI don't use the WRE, but it would be in httpd.conf05:59
SDuensink05:59
+perlDreamerit should only kill one of them, AFAIK05:59
+perlDreamerperlbot: Apache::SizeLimit?06:00
+perlDreamerperlbot: help06:00
perlbot(fact) : tell (who) about (what) : (what) > (who) : learn (what) as (info) : relearn (fact) as (info) : phone (phone #) : shorten (url) : shorten it : search (keyword) : cpan (module) : docs (module) : perldoc -f (function) : jargon (term) : math (expr): fortune : flip : host (type) (record) : rot13 (text) : roll (die) : tempconv (temp) : scramble (foo) : 8ball (question) : slap (who) : diss (who) : top/bottom (number) karma : geoip (ip)06:00
+perlDreamerperlbot: cpan Apache::SizeLimit06:00
perlbotDocumentation for 'Apache::SizeLimit' can be found here: http://xrl.us/vri206:00
+perlDreamerthere you go, SDuensin06:00
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SDuensinThanks.06:01
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@vaydeHalleleuja!  I have a mouse that does what I ask it to do again!06:05
+perlDreamerI thought Ubuntu was supposed to be super easy to install?06:05
+perlDreamerI was going to recommend it to my brother-in-law06:05
+perlDreamerHe's an exterminator06:05
@vaydeIt is.  I just had to load in my super cool ultra funky mouse settings06:05
@vaydeNow my trackpad responds with the reflexes of a ninja06:06
+perlDreamerI see06:06
@vaydeWhaaa!06:06
+perlDreamerYou sound like you tried to use setRank to really set a rank06:06
+perlDreamerand found out otherwise06:07
@vayde1440 pixels to the right in just a flick of the thumb06:07
SDuensinMy site still kills the server.  :-/06:13
SDuensinWhen it dies, I see this in PS:06:14
SDuensin /bin/bash /data/wre/sbin/rc.webgui restartweb06:14
+perlDreamerdoes it happen at the same time each day/week?06:15
+perlDreamerit looks like some script is doing it06:16
+perlDreamerlike log rotation06:16
+perlDreamercheck your cron logs06:16
SDuensinNo, it happens when I hit the site.06:20
+perlDreamerevery time you hit the site?06:20
SDuensinLog rotation kills the server?06:21
+perlDreamerit has to06:21
+perlDreamerthe server holds an file descriptor to the log file06:21
+perlDreamerwhen it gets rotated, the server will write to a high offset instead of starting over at the beginning06:21
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+perlDreameris there anything interesting in your other logfiles?06:22
+perlDreamer/var/log/messages06:22
+perlDreamerand whereever the WRE keeps the apache logs?06:22
SDuensinNope.06:22
+perlDreamerweird06:23
+perlDreamerwhich OS?06:23
SDuensinMy cron entries for WRE look like on the wiki.06:23
SDuensinCentos406:23
+perlDreameryou can't do better than that06:23
SDuensinCan't do other than that either.  :-)06:24
SDuensinThat's what my host uses.06:24
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+perlDreamerman06:29
+perlDreamerI seem to be accumulating karma at an exponentially increasing rate06:29
+perlDreamerI wonder if there's a karma bug?06:30
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+perlDreamerThose fly moves must be messing with your connection, preaction06:31
Hinrikhis connection craps out on him every time a fly moves?06:31
+perlDreamerHe's playing DDR06:32
+perlDreamerAny big jump or stamp probably wiggles some loose wire and then his connection gets dropped.06:32
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SDuensinGood morning.15:47
ckotilhello16:07
pjesihi16:07
* SDuensin caught SIGTERM16:15
SDuensinBane of my existence.16:15
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bopbopgood morning16:42
SDuensinHey bopbop 16:47
bopbophowdy16:47
AMH_bobGood morning.16:47
SDuensinAfternoon, AMH_bob.  :-)16:48
AMH_bobIt's beautiful weather outside, nice and warm. But when I see your name I immediately crave for a hot cup of coffee16:51
AMH_bobHave you had your?16:51
SDuensinhehehe16:52
SDuensinGot it with me now.  :-)16:52
AMH_bobJust got mine too! :-P16:53
AMH_bobHave a nice day at work!16:53
SDuensinWheeee16:55
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cap10morganIs there such a thing as regional WebGUI user groups?21:17
cap10morganI'd love to try and start a Denver, CO, USA one... :)21:17
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+perlDreamerpreaction: you better op Haaarg so that he can boot people when they get unruly23:07
pjesiwhat is unruly?23:15
Hinrikyou are23:16
xdangeruu, tinymce works with the webkit nightly builds, and they seem to be stable too ;)23:17
+perlDreameryou know, unruly23:22
+perlDreamerSaying that WebGUI sucks, pestering people. being argumentative23:23
+perlDreamerstuff like that23:23
pjesisounds like someone just arrived from 4chan23:23
pjesi:)23:23
Hinrik4chan hates webgui?23:23
pjesisrsly?23:24
pjesino Im just kidding23:24
HinrikI see23:24
pjesiunruly just reminds me of 4chan23:24
Hinrikhehe23:24
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* vayde is being unruly, but his ninja skills prevent anyone from noticing23:48
+perlDreamerwho said that?23:59
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+perlDreamerbummer about the Content manager's guide00:12
+perlDreamerI hope y'all get the issues resolved quickly00:12
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@vaydeAhh So!  I am no longer the FNG00:42
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cap10morganWe just deployed our first wG7 site!!01:09
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cap10morganLet the new era begin!01:10
* cap10morgan breaks a bottle of champagne across WebGUI 7's bow01:10
@preactionwoot!01:11
cap10morganusing the config api, how do you add to an array that's in a hash?01:58
cap10morgan(specifically the "None" array in the "workflowActivities" hash)01:58
+perlDreamerwould a paste of the original WebGUI.conf file help with that?02:07
+perlDreameractually, you should have a copy of that in WebGUI.conf.original02:07
cap10morganonly if it shows how to do this w/ the API02:13
+perlDreameroh, you mean like via $session->config?02:15
cap10morganyes, exactly02:15
+perlDreamerat that point, it's just perl data structures02:15
+perlDreamerput a new key onto the hash, make the value an array ref02:16
+perlDreamerthere are examples in t/Session/Config.t02:16
cap10morganok, cool, thanks02:16
+perlDreamerone thing to keep in mind is that the API will overwrite your config file, so you may want to keep a backup of the original, just in case.02:18
cap10morganyep02:19
cap10morganah, it didn't like that i was using the same array ref that i just got from the config object02:21
cap10morgana little copy to a local array, and voila02:21
cap10morgan:)02:21
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+Radix-wrkMorning all04:19
SDuensinHi Radix-wrk 04:37
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PedersenMJg'd evening :)05:54
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+perlDreamerthe trout get hungry after all that fighting07:05
* PedersenMJ wonders if it's against the law to slap with halibut?07:07
+perlDreamertoo flaky07:07
+perlDreameryou need a good, firm fish07:07
PedersenMJWell, when the halibut is whole, it's definitely a firm fish.07:09
PedersenMJTuna would be too big, definitely. So they're right out.07:10
+perlDreamerin that case, halibut is okay by me07:10
+perlDreamerperlbot: help07:10
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+perlDreamerperlbot help slap07:13
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+perlDreamerstupid broken WebGUI ORM!07:17
+perlDreamerthe API won't let me create a deep asset, so I have to force it through the DB07:19
+perlDreamerbut then the object isn't updated, and that's what's used by addChild07:20
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@preactionperlDreamer: wait, what?07:39
+perlDreamerrecently I've been testing AssetLineage, from the API07:40
+perlDreamerI need to cover the condition in addChild where if you try to create an Asset that's more than 42 levels deep, it creates a sibling instead07:40
+perlDreamerbut the API won't let you shove an arbitrary lineage into an Asset07:40
+perlDreamerso I crowbar'ed it via the database07:40
+perlDreamerthat doesn't update the object, and the object is what is used to instantiate the child07:41
@preactionyou can't test by creating 42 levels yourself?07:41
+perlDreameryou could...07:41
+perlDreamerbut I'm practicing virtue #1 this week07:41
@preaction?07:42
+perlDreamerlaziness07:42
+perlDreamerimpatience07:42
+perlDreamerhubris07:42
+perlDreamerthe 3 perl virtues07:42
@preactionfor (1..41) { $lineage[$_-1]->addChild($properties); } # <-- tee hee07:42
@preactioner... $lineage[$_] = $lineage[$_-1]->addChild07:43
+perlDreamerthat's true, I hadn't thought about looping07:43
+perlDreamerin any case, wG's ORM is lacking07:43
@preactionORM?07:43
+perlDreamerObject Relational Mapping07:43
+perlDreamerit would be nice if it made sure that the object was updated with the latest db values before doing stuff07:44
+perlDreamerkind of like a smart get07:44
@preactionso you get a stale cache?07:45
+perlDreamerstale object, yes.07:45
+perlDreamerbut I'm breaking encapsulation with my original approach in any case07:45
+perlDreamerhere's more about the virtues07:46
+perlDreamerhttp://www.netropolis.org/hash/perl/virtue.html07:46
+perlDreamerI'll rewrite the test to use your approach07:47
+perlDreamerIt's much cleaner07:47
+perlDreamerespecially if you prime $lineage[0]07:47
@preactionperlbot virtues07:48
perlbotLaziness, Impatience, Hubris, Diligence, Patience and Humility07:48
@preactiondidn't know which ones you were referring to07:48
+perlDreamerthose last three are new07:48
@preactionthey're the polar opposites of the first three07:49
@preactionperlbot diligence07:49
perlbotThe opposite of laziness.07:49
@preactionperlbot patience07:49
perlbotThe opposite of impatience.07:49
@preaction... but no cool explanation of course07:49
@preactionperlbot hubris07:49
perlbotExcessive pride, the sort of thing Zeus zaps you for. Also the quality that makes you write (and maintain) programs that other people won't want to say bad things about. [Also, the thing that makes you write programs to do something that's already been done, because you believe you 08:38 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."]07:49
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AMH_mariHia all,14:56
AMH_mariHi...14:56
AMH_mariA weird thing is happening: I try to export one (1) page layout, containing one article and the export hangs.14:57
AMH_mariLots of disk activity on the server and the /var/log/http/error_log lists the following:14:57
AMH_mariCan't cd to (./etc/lvm/) backup: Permission denied14:57
AMH_mari at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm line 79414:57
AMH_mariCan't cd to (./etc/lvm/) archive: Permission denied14:57
AMH_mari at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm line 79414:57
AMH_mariCan't cd to (./etc/cups/) ssl: Permission denied14:57
AMH_mari at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm line 79414:57
AMH_mariCan't cd to (./etc/racoon/) certs: Permission denied14:57
AMH_mari at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm line 79414:57
AMH_mariCan't cd to (./etc/) cron.d: Permission denied14:57
AMH_mari at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm line 79414:57
AMH_mariCan't cd to (./etc/selinux/targeted/modules/) active: Permission denied14:57
AMH_mari at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm line 79414:57
AMH_mariCan't cd to (./etc/selinux/targeted/modules/) previous: Permission denied14:57
AMH_mari at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm line 79414:57
AMH_mariCan't cd to (./etc/pki/) CA: Permission denied14:58
AMH_mari at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm line 79414:58
AMH_mariCan't cd to (./home/) samba: Permission denied14:58
AMH_mari at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm line 79414:58
AMH_mariI've seen it attempt to access /proc too.14:58
AMH_mariAny thoughts anyone?14:58
AMH_mariThe Storage.pm line find(sub { push(@files, $File::Find::name)}, "."); is the culprit...15:01
@preactionthat is not good at all15:24
@preactionwhat does that article contain?15:25
@preactionactually it looks like the bad code is in the chdir, it doesn't check for failure, it doesn't check if it's a valid dir to ch to, and then later we call File::Find on the current working directory (which in this case turned out to be /)15:41
@preactionchdir on mod_perl environments is bad, iirc15:41
AMH_mariHi preaction; a page layout for a user friendly login page, with an article that contains some text and the ^L() macro call. I'll list its contents, one moment...15:43
@preactionno need, if it's not explicitly linking to those things, i'd consider this a bug. unless something is symlinked there, or could otherwise resolve to there. something weird is going on15:44
@preactionis it the latest WebGUI?15:45
AMH_mariYes, 7.3.1415:45
@preactionwhere's apache's DocumentRoot pointing to?15:45
AMH_mari /data/domains/www.main.vir/public15:46
@preactiontry adding a warning, chdir $self->getPath || warn "Could not chdir to '".$self->getPath."': $!";15:47
AMH_mariand apache's is  /var/www/html15:47
@preactioni assume that the files above are relative to root, correct?15:47
@preactionthe /etc/pki/ and /home15:48
@preactionwait, the || should be "or" (|| binds too tight to leave out the parens)15:48
AMH_mariYes15:48
AMH_mariOkay, I must add this in the Storage.pm file at line 794?15:49
@preactiononce you add the warning, restart and try again. your apache error log should show you that warning if it fails to chdir15:49
@preactionyes15:49
@preactionno15:49
AMH_mariOkay, i'll do that15:49
@preactionreplace line 792 with that15:49
AMH_mariOkay 79215:49
@preactionchdir $self->getPath or warn "Couldn't chdir to '".$self->getPath."': $!";15:50
AMH_mariYep, done it and ran it again; it now says:15:53
AMH_mari Could not chdir to '/data/domains/www.main.vir/public/uploads/BI/0H/BI0Hx90TeU2chdfOQ9yRXA': No such file or directory at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm line 793.15:53
AMH_mariCan't cd to (./etc/lvm/) backup: Permission denied15:53
AMH_mari at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm line 79515:53
AMH_mari(I commented the original 792 line)15:53
@preactionlooks like some storage locations got deleted but the WebGUI::Asset::File that referenced them did not15:53
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AMH_mariCan those storage location(s) also be outside the page I'm trying to export? (I think other folders will not export either)15:55
@preactionpart of your style perhaps?15:56
AMH_mariChecking...15:56
AMH_marimmm; I had a style configured that might be the problem. But now I have reconfigured to style Fail Safe, save and commited, recreated the export package (metadata change), but the problem persists.16:02
@preactionsame chdirs? you might need to look up the file that's causing the problem. it could be part of a template, or a link on that page, etc...16:03
AMH_mariIndeed, the same upload directory entry.I'll try to find the file, but we have about 250 templates, which were imported into WebGUI using a Perl script. The script does a commit after every template, but I do remember having seen some upload directory related messages in the log before. I'll investigate further.16:05
AMH_mariMany thanks for your support advice :-)16:05
@preactionnp, you should still post a bug and post that piece of code with the warning. let somebody on duty decide truly what to do about it, as that could still chdir to a bad directory if allowed to16:06
@preaction(that piece of code being the altered line 792 i gave you)16:06
AMH_mariI'll do that; bugs should be posting on the Plain Black site in a forum?16:07
@preactionhttp://plainblack.com/bugs16:07
AMH_mariOkay, thanks.16:07
AMH_mariBTW: is there any protection against this type of lost references? If they somehow occur, e.g. due to memory problems on the server (which I suspect to be the problem with my virtual machine hosted WebGUI server)?16:09
@preactionnot that i'm aware of. i'm not sure how a memory issue would cause a file to not be created / deleted unless the server itself crashed16:10
AMH_mariIt does appear strange indeed; I'll investigate further and if I find a cause add it to the bug report.16:11
AMH_mariAnd - if I have time - I'll attempt to write a recovery script that scans the whole WebGUI lineage and does something to assets with lost references :-)16:13
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AMH_bobGood morning!16:21
SDuensinGood morning!16:21
AMH_bob:)16:21
SDuensin:-)16:21
SDuensinVuja-De!16:21
AMH_bobNice timing, it's actually my coffee break now!16:21
SDuensinWhere are you?  I'm in the St. Louis, MO area in the USA.16:22
AMH_bobWe're in The Netherlands - 90 miles south-east of Amsterdam16:23
SDuensinGot McDonald's there?   They have yummy coffee.  :-)16:24
AMH_bobNot nearby, they are all close to the freeway or in major cities; We've got a pretty good cappuccino machine (yummie)16:25
SDuensin:-)16:25
AMH_bobSo I'm off to the machine and then finish my last 5 minutes of break outside, later!16:26
SDuensinI got hooked on coffee when I was working on the Air Force base near me.  There was a fancy coffee bar in the building run by some really hot women.  :-)16:26
SDuensinSee ya!16:26
ckotili started drinking coffee not long aog16:27
ckotilit does wonders for waking my ass up16:28
SDuensinI'm still more of a hot tea fan.  But man, McDs has good coffee.  <G>16:29
ckotilya, its not bad. i just cant be eating McBagels/McGriddles every morning16:29
ckotili usually opt for a bagel w/ coffee16:29
SDuensinI hear ya.  I love those sausage McMuffins, but I very rarely buy one.  I'd be 500 pounds!16:30
SDuensin(Dang programming!  Sit on my butt all day!)16:31
ckotilindeed16:31
ckotilyarly16:31
ckotilonly physical activity i do is move my fingers, and walk to and from the bathroom16:31
SDuensinDang.  Now that I said that, I want a McMuffin and grease-soaked hashbrowns!16:31
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SDuensinMorning, bopbop 16:34
bopbopMorning! Welcome Haarg.16:34
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@Haargmorning16:38
SDuensinHowdy Haarg 16:40
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perlmonkey2Does webgui hosting offer SSL/TLS pop/smtp?17:19
sanyockHi Ppl!17:19