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| greghacke | rizen: query, what are the cinsiderations on setting the ft_stopword_file to NULL and remove the existant and efault stopword list? | 00:26 |
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| @rizen | no idea | 00:26 |
| @rizen | never done it | 00:27 |
| greghacke | Part of the long discussions a while back on fulltext searching and the MySQL stopword list. in 5.x and above, you can configure the st_stopword_file to null and it will search for the, who, etc. | 00:27 |
| greghacke | my concern of course is system overhead. | 00:27 |
| @rizen | yeah, i know it can be done | 00:28 |
| @rizen | i just don't know the implications of doing it | 00:28 |
| @rizen | i don't know if it affects performance | 00:28 |
| @rizen | database size | 00:28 |
| @rizen | etc | 00:28 |
| greghacke | working to optimize some queries and finding that i use two fulltext queries and although i'd like no stopwords, i question the affects. | 00:29 |
| greghacke | eh, prolly just start testing it locally | 00:29 |
| greghacke | something to work on after thursday's test i guess | 00:30 |
| @rizen | do let me know what you find out | 00:31 |
| greghacke | of course. am working today to post my wikis on EMS. i think next will be optimizing sql reports in wG | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | according to the MySQL dev docs, the stop words list is optimized for performace | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | so if you clear it, you should see a slow down | 00:49 |
| greghacke | it's optimized for performance for US/English. | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | exclusively | 00:50 |
| greghacke | yep. and some of the words don't neccessarily work for some of my host sites. Sure, 'the' is a bad search word. but when you have 40 products called "who's Who" with who as a blocked word... | 00:51 |
| @rizen | pd, do you know how to make control characters while in vim? | 00:58 |
| @rizen | like if i wanted to create the control character for escape it should be ^[ | 00:58 |
| @rizen | but just typing it doesn't actually make it a control character | 00:58 |
| @rizen | or another one would be ^M which should be a carriage return | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | Ctrl-V then just type your character | 00:59 |
| @rizen | ok | 00:59 |
| @rizen | thank you | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm just a walking vim and perl lexicon ;) | 00:59 |
| greghacke | vim rocks but i get so lost it in sometimes ;) | 00:59 |
| @rizen | you rule man | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: I got asked a hosting question yesterday that I had no answer for. | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Why do people allow PHP scripts to be uploaded by anyone? | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | It makes installation dead easy, but it's a huge security risk. | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Why don't people take the same risk with Perl? | 01:01 |
| @rizen | well there are a few things | 01:01 |
| @rizen | perl has access to more system level stuff | 01:02 |
| @rizen | due to xs bindings | 01:02 |
| @rizen | and in order to just "upload and run" perl would have to run in cgi mode | 01:02 |
| @rizen | and most perl apps that are worth anything, are designed for modperl rather than just simple cgi | 01:02 |
| @rizen | some hosting companies do allow you to just upload cgi scripts though | 01:02 |
| @rizen | and then finally | 01:03 |
| @rizen | any big perl app will likely require some external modules from cpan | 01:03 |
| @rizen | because as a community we reuse code a lot | 01:03 |
| @rizen | php scripts more often just copy and paste their modules directly into their own codebase | 01:03 |
| @rizen | it may seem that this is more inflexible to a noob | 01:04 |
| @rizen | but in reality, it provides for a more robust and secure environment | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | That makes sense. | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | It's hard to explain to people why they can't use wG on their $5/month hoster. | 01:05 |
| @rizen | indeed | 01:07 |
| @rizen | tell them that webgui is designed to go on a stand alone server | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | Then how do I sell them on PB hosting? | 01:08 |
| @rizen | and if they just want it for their personal web site, then use one of the hosting options out there | 01:08 |
| greghacke | i just point them to the virtual hosting from pB. it's cost efficient. | 01:08 |
| @rizen | pd, i think you might shit bricks when you see the thing i'm about to submit to the dev list | 01:11 |
| @rizen | and it works because of the advice you just gave me | 01:11 |
| * perlDreamer prepares for code constipation | 01:12 | |
| pjesi | man I am tired of YUI hacking | 01:13 |
| @rizen | why? | 01:14 |
| pjesi | so many files to include | 01:15 |
| pjesi | and javascript is just terrible | 01:16 |
| @rizen | pd, i take it back, i think it's cool, but you probably already know about all this | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | You're an awful tease, rizen. | 01:17 |
| pjesi | specially when then head block of my template is rendered in the body of the page | 01:18 |
| @rizen | pd...i might have a problem with webgui best practices | 01:23 |
| @rizen | damian says that each line should be no longer than 78 lines | 01:23 |
| @rizen | but 78 lines is less than half my screen | 01:24 |
| @rizen | sorry, 78 cols | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | can you break before/after an operator? | 01:24 |
| @rizen | well you can...i'm just saying it's going to be annoying | 01:24 |
| @rizen | because it will add a lot more scrolling | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I agree. PBP starts by saying that _you_ need to set a standard and then have everyone follow it | 01:24 |
| @rizen | methinks we should set it bigger | 01:26 |
| @rizen | maybe like 120 chars | 01:26 |
| @rizen | every webgui developer is using a modern system that's at least 1024x768 | 01:26 |
| greghacke | hrm. | 01:27 |
| greghacke | that is what i was about to ask. | 01:27 |
| @rizen | it does't even have to be that big | 01:28 |
| @rizen | we could do 100 | 01:28 |
| pjesi | vi in terminal is usually 80 cols so people often recommend 78-79 cols max | 01:28 |
| greghacke | i get 119 | 01:28 |
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| @rizen | on my screen i can do 160 at normal res | 01:28 |
| greghacke | i understand the vi at 78/79 but it was always a pain. | 01:28 |
| @rizen | greg, what res are you? | 01:29 |
| @rizen | pjesi, but how often are you editing webgui code from a terminal, without X windows so that you're stuck at 80 cols? | 01:29 |
| @rizen | damian cites two reasons for the size of 78 | 01:30 |
| @rizen | one is to support older terminals | 01:30 |
| greghacke | oh, at full res, i can do 170 1440 x 900 on monitor one and mondo-huge 2560x1600 on two | 01:30 |
| @rizen | and the other is so your code prints out nicer on a printer | 01:30 |
| @rizen | neither of those things are things that webgui core devs do very often | 01:30 |
| @rizen | if ever | 01:30 |
| pjesi | rizen: I dont, just saying that a lot of people have a bunch of terminals and use it for everything | 01:30 |
| @rizen | those people aren't core devs | 01:31 |
| @rizen | and the core devs are the ones that have to follow these guidelines | 01:31 |
| greghacke | I would feel 100 would do fine and set a simple standard. | 01:31 |
| greghacke | 120 is good but wide. just not sure that only 20 extra characters is a big help. | 01:31 |
| @rizen | greg, what can you get in your terminal at 1024x768? | 01:32 |
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| @rizen | i have a widescreen monitor so i can't do 1024 | 01:32 |
| greghacke | at 1024 x 768, i get 119 characters width. | 01:33 |
| greghacke | i have widescreen but my linux VM is 1024x768 and its what i get there. | 01:33 |
| @rizen | ok, then methinks we should go for 115 | 01:35 |
| @rizen | because 1024x768 is the lowest res any dev in webgui core will be using | 01:35 |
| @rizen | and most of us use much bigger ones | 01:35 |
| greghacke | oh, i do too - i'll just reset my res back to 2560 x 1600 for my VM and post it back to second monitor :-) | 01:36 |
| @preaction | i personally find it easier to read code vertically than horizontally | 01:39 |
| * pjesi agrees | 01:39 | |
| @rizen | me too | 01:40 |
| greghacke | depends on the code. i like to read until a functional break and then scroll down to the next like. | 01:41 |
| @rizen | i've updated the wiki page | 01:41 |
| greghacke | line | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: when does the new widget come out? | 01:42 |
| @rizen | what widget? | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | That thing with vim character encoding | 01:43 |
| @rizen | i got side tracked cuz of this width thing | 01:43 |
| greghacke | personally, i like 110 ;) | 01:43 |
| @rizen | well your wrong. how does it feel to be wrong? i've never been wrong and you look like someone who would know. | 01:44 |
| greghacke | feels good! | 01:44 |
| @rizen | ok, it's out | 01:58 |
| @rizen | the thing that made me go "holy crap" was that i didn't know about the iab command before | 01:58 |
| @rizen | that allows you to create inline replacements for vim | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm liking wgwarn, et. al. | 02:00 |
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| greghacke | now to convert the vimrc.txt into a set of rules for Crimson Editor | 02:03 |
| greghacke | just the base elements. | 02:03 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 03:03 |
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| PedersenMJ | good evening :) | 04:57 |
| @vayde | hey | 05:04 |
| @rizen | howdy | 05:04 |
| @rizen | hey ped, why haven't you contributed to this contest? I figured you of all people to win it | 05:04 |
| PedersenMJ | Howzit going? | 05:04 |
| @rizen | pretty good | 05:05 |
| @rizen | except that vayde is an asshole | 05:06 |
| * rizen feigns hate | 05:06 | |
| * vayde chuckles. | 05:06 | |
| @vayde | I am that | 05:06 |
| @vayde | just ask my ex wife | 05:06 |
| * PedersenMJ makes a coupla signs, and puts one on rizen's desk, and one on vayde's. Rizen's reads "Pot". Vayde's? "Kettle" | 05:07 | |
| PedersenMJ | :) | 05:07 |
| @vayde | lol | 05:07 |
| +Radix-wrk | PedersenMJ is still hurting from the competition I gave him for the How To contest I reckon.. he's realised that second time around he ain't gonna be so lucky ;) | 05:26 |
| PedersenMJ | I just wish I'd been able to focus this month. I didn't make *any* entries. Barely got anything accomplished at work. Got no code written at home. April was a wasted month for me. | 05:27 |
| +Radix-wrk | Good excuse ;) | 05:27 |
| PedersenMJ | Thanks. I spent the entire month working on it :) | 05:28 |
| +Radix-wrk | hehe | 05:29 |
| +Radix-wrk | "You have 6666 karma to spend." - Muahahaha... | 05:41 |
| +Radix-wrk | yikes.. looks like a three-way tie for third place for the Acme code competition atm | 05:44 |
| +Radix-wrk | with "XEyes" and "Come back already!" coming first and second place respectively | 05:44 |
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| wgGuest40 | Hello | 13:53 |
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| wgGuest40 | We just ordered a new server and we wanted to try webgui on it | 13:54 |
| wgGuest40 | I read on the forum that a WRE 0.8 is planned.. Do you have any timeframe for it? | 13:55 |
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| +Radix_ | not for a while yet I'm afraid | 15:18 |
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| +Radix_ | WRE 0.7.2 should be fine to start with | 15:20 |
| wgGuest40 | but more or less when it'll be out? | 15:28 |
| wgGuest40 | we would like to plan server upgrades as much as possible | 15:29 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning (at last). | 16:18 |
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| SDuensin | Hello bopbop_ | 16:21 |
| bopbop_ | morning! | 16:21 |
| +Radix_ | wgGuest40: no idea when it'd be out - I don't think anyone knows at this point, tho Rizen may have a plan | 16:25 |
| +Radix_ | woohoo.. 3 way tie for third place! | 16:26 |
| SDuensin | Hey Radix_ | 16:26 |
| * SDuensin didn't even make the list. :-/ | 16:26 | |
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| @rizen | sd, that's cuz you're a bad person | 17:33 |
| SDuensin | :-P | 17:34 |
| @rizen | wre 0.8.0 is giving me a headache | 17:39 |
| SDuensin | 0.7.2 gave me a headache. :-P | 17:40 |
| @rizen | i thought that turned out to just be a configuration problem? | 17:41 |
| SDuensin | Yea, it was. Complete user failure. :-) | 17:41 |
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| @rizen | could you remind me in what way? perhaps i can eliminate that problem in 0.8.0 so that no one else has to go through what you went thru | 17:42 |
| SDuensin | Being able to specify which IPs Apache and wremonitor listen to / check would fix it. | 17:44 |
| SDuensin | It was mainly just finding everything I needed to change. The WRE is new to me. (Well, not so much anymore!) | 17:45 |
| @rizen | wremonitor already does that if you set the hostname to check | 18:08 |
| @rizen | so i guess i just need to ask that question during setup | 18:08 |
| @rizen | what hostname to check | 18:08 |
| SDuensin | Right. :-) | 18:08 |
| SDuensin | Asking where to bind Apache would be spiffy, too. | 18:09 |
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| @rizen | only for crazy bastards like you | 18:10 |
| @rizen | who are crazy | 18:11 |
| @rizen | and looney | 18:11 |
| SDuensin | Yes, but it works! | 18:11 |
| SDuensin | So have it ask "Are you looney? (y/N): " and then prompt for the other two if they hit "Y". | 18:12 |
| @rizen | hehe | 18:12 |
| @rizen | perfect | 18:12 |
| @rizen | the new setup program will be entirely web based | 18:12 |
| +crythias | :) | 18:12 |
| @rizen | so i'll just have a tab for looney | 18:13 |
| @rizen | =) | 18:13 |
| +crythias | unbookmarkable tabs. | 18:13 |
| +crythias | how hard is it to make tabs directly go-to able? | 18:14 |
| SDuensin | Web based? How do you set up the web server then? | 18:14 |
| +crythias | hee | 18:14 |
| +crythias | shh :) That's logic! | 18:15 |
| +crythias | actually, you could use a perl httpd temporarily. | 18:15 |
| @rizen | yeah, there will be a perl httpd daemon running the setup program | 18:16 |
| @rizen | when you run it, it will tell you what random port it's running on | 18:16 |
| @rizen | and then you go to the url | 18:16 |
| +crythias | how does it do the cgi-ish stuff? | 18:17 |
| +crythias | nm. | 18:17 |
| +crythias | just never mind. | 18:17 |
| +crythias | assp does it, so there's no issue. | 18:17 |
| @rizen | hehe | 18:18 |
| @rizen | you're too funny | 18:18 |
| @rizen | this is perl we're talking about | 18:18 |
| @rizen | it's the god of cgi | 18:18 |
| @vayde | all hail perl! | 18:19 |
| +crythias | :-D How do ya get mod_perl into perl_httpd? | 18:19 |
| +crythias | hee | 18:19 |
| +crythias | btw, what opinion on my RFE for quick-add asset? | 18:22 |
| @rizen | you should know by now that asking about an rfe before i've assigned it a karma rank will get it delayed | 18:23 |
| +crythias | heh. then again, maybe I should ask about the high ranking RFEs :)? | 18:23 |
| @rizen | i think that since we haven't even branched for 7.4 yet, you shouldn't be asking about rfe's unless you're volunteering to write them | 18:24 |
| @rizen | =) | 18:24 |
| +crythias | btw.. I upgraded from 7.0.6 to 7.3.15 the other day. | 18:25 |
| @rizen | sweet | 18:25 |
| +crythias | yes, actually, it was. | 18:25 |
| @rizen | i assume it went smoothly | 18:25 |
| +crythias | yes. 4 sites. | 18:26 |
| +crythias | fortunately no moving about of assets. | 18:26 |
| @rizen | that's the goal...to get back to smooth upgrades | 18:26 |
| +crythias | btw, thanks for the vimrc | 18:27 |
| @rizen | cry, do you code? | 18:28 |
| @rizen | or do you just use vim for sysadmin stuff? | 18:28 |
| @rizen | and you're welcome | 18:28 |
| * SDuensin likes smooth upgrades. | 18:28 | |
| +crythias | once in a blue moon. I'm [a|the] system administrator for a large church. I'm usually very busy. | 18:28 |
| +crythias | vim for sysadmin stuff, mostly. | 18:29 |
| +crythias | the thing is, vimrc as you've provided rocks. especially since you included a skeleton. | 18:30 |
| @rizen | yeah, i tried to throw in lots of useful stuff, like color coding, history, macros, formatting, etc | 18:31 |
| @rizen | this is the vimrc i use to write webgui | 18:31 |
| @rizen | so i figure it will be useful to other people that use vim | 18:31 |
| +crythias | I just stumbled your dev annonuncement. | 18:32 |
| * SDuensin wants to learn Emacs just so he can make it his shell and be an uber geek. | 18:32 | |
| +crythias | (for stumbleupon. thumbs up) | 18:32 |
| * vayde slaps SDuensin | 18:33 | |
| @vayde | watch your mouth! | 18:33 |
| * crythias wants to learn Emacs so he can use it to run vim. | 18:33 | |
| * SDuensin is a JOE fan, but you can't run Infocom games in it. | 18:33 | |
| @rizen | JOE is for looney's | 18:33 |
| @vayde | real men use vim | 18:34 |
| @rizen | snapcount was also a fan of JOE | 18:34 |
| SDuensin | We've already established that I'm a looney. | 18:34 |
| +crythias | vi improved and growing rapidly always... | 18:34 |
| +crythias | that's right. vimagra. | 18:34 |
| @rizen | nice | 18:34 |
| +crythias | "Take the blue pill!" | 18:36 |
| +crythias | (Neo) | 18:36 |
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| @rizen | i've decided that i hate crythias because he makes RFE's that make me think too hard | 18:42 |
| SDuensin | heheeh | 18:42 |
| +crythias | oh, come on, I tried to be very specific. | 18:42 |
| * SDuensin files an RFE for an AJAX desktop. | 18:43 | |
| +crythias | :) | 18:43 |
| +crythias | hrm | 18:44 |
| +crythias | _________________________________ | 18:44 |
| +crythias | [+] [art][cal][pol][wea] | 18:44 |
| +crythias | ------------------------------------------------- | 18:44 |
| +crythias | (x)(edit)(cut)(copy) | 18:44 |
| SDuensin | Actually, I've been reading up on YUI and thinking more about how to implement it. It's *very* doable. Like "I'm excited about it" kind of doable. :-) | 18:44 |
| +crythias | although I was thinking of icons instead of [art] | 18:45 |
| @rizen | sd, that's awesome | 18:45 |
| @rizen | cry, you suck | 18:45 |
| @rizen | sucky mcsuckerton | 18:45 |
| +crythias | um. ok... :? | 18:45 |
| @rizen | cry, your rfe is making me think not because of what you're requesting | 18:46 |
| @rizen | but because of what you said | 18:46 |
| @rizen | there are a few things in there burning in my mind | 18:46 |
| @rizen | 1) designing without worrying about the shift caused by the admin bar | 18:46 |
| @rizen | 2) adding assets directly to a content position | 18:47 |
| @rizen | 3) adding assets directly to a specific spot in a content position | 18:47 |
| @rizen | i could care less about how the [+] [art][cal][pol][wea] part was implemented | 18:48 |
| @rizen | but it stirs up all kinds of other crap that i've been thinking about for a long time | 18:48 |
| @rizen | so much so that i can't focus on the request you're actually making without thinking about these other things | 18:48 |
| @rizen | and all the problems involved in them | 18:48 |
| +crythias | if it helps, I was thinking about how the drag-placement tells the assets to re-order, so I thought some of that could be used, somehow... | 18:50 |
| @rizen | it doesn't help | 18:51 |
| @rizen | once i get past the problems, the implementation will be easy | 18:51 |
| @rizen | but there are all kinds of problems | 18:51 |
| @rizen | there are human level problems, because the user interface changes | 18:52 |
| @rizen | and then there are technical problems, like the fact that assets have no knowledge of page layouts and/or content positions, nor should they | 18:52 |
| @rizen | but in order to do what you're asking, they have to | 18:53 |
| +crythias | ok, what if there are "always" grey boxes between assets? | 18:53 |
| @rizen | that doesn't help | 18:53 |
| @rizen | the reason is this | 18:53 |
| @rizen | when you add a new asset | 18:53 |
| @rizen | it knows only what it's parent is | 18:53 |
| @rizen | it has no idea about content positions | 18:53 |
| @rizen | but after you get back from the edit screen | 18:53 |
| @rizen | it needs to automatically position itself based upon what content position you added it to | 18:54 |
| @rizen | but it doesn't know about content positions | 18:54 |
| @rizen | see...the endless loop | 18:54 |
| @rizen | if this were an easy problem to solve, then i would have already done what you're suggesting in your RFE | 18:55 |
| +crythias | who's the daddy? always the last asset? | 18:55 |
| @rizen | cuz that was my original intent for the webgui 7 interface | 18:55 |
| @rizen | daddy? | 18:55 |
| +crythias | parent | 18:55 |
| +crythias | :) | 18:55 |
| @rizen | for the purposes of this conversation, the parent is the page layout asset | 18:55 |
| +crythias | how does a new asset know where to go as being the last asset in the loop? | 18:56 |
| @rizen | and the child is an article or whatever | 18:56 |
| @rizen | the child doesn't know | 18:56 |
| @rizen | the page layout asset automatically throws any children it doesn't know how to position | 18:56 |
| +crythias | that is, how does the child rank in its siblings? | 18:56 |
| @rizen | to the bottom of the first content position | 18:57 |
| @rizen | ordered by rank | 18:57 |
| +crythias | how does it obtain a rank? | 18:57 |
| @rizen | all assets are ranked | 18:57 |
| @rizen | that's how navigation knows what order to display them in | 18:57 |
| +crythias | by creation? | 18:57 |
| @rizen | by default yes, but that can be editied | 18:57 |
| +crythias | so one issue is that editing the asset is rank agnostic. | 18:58 |
| @rizen | no idea what you're saying | 18:59 |
| +crythias | the edit screen of an asset is rank agnostic. (doesn't care) | 18:59 |
| @rizen | correct | 19:00 |
| @rizen | but that's not an issue | 19:00 |
| +crythias | oops. I have a meeting. bbiah | 19:00 |
| @rizen | it has nothing to do with the problem | 19:00 |
| @rizen | ok bye | 19:00 |
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| cap10morgan | If you put an HTMLArea in a DataForm and turn on Mail Data, is there a way to make the email send as HTML (and thus preserve the formatting from the HTMLArea)? | 19:37 |
| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan: I've never tried that, but I don't see any reason why it shouldn't work. Maybe it's a templating problem? | 19:43 |
| cap10morgan | hmm... are the email headers in the template? or would i have to modify the dataform asset to set it as type text/html? | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think email headers are in the template. | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Nope, they're in the code. | 19:46 |
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| cap10morgan | ok, thanks pD | 20:15 |
| cap10morgan | i'll look into it and contribute the feature if i end up coding it in there | 20:15 |
| +perlDreamer | cap, you may also want to look at the Thingy spec that rizen published two days ago. | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | He's not looking for feedback about it, unless you want to develop the part that you're feeding back about. | 20:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | what idiot decided that the close and quit bindkeys should be adjacent? | 21:05 |
| @rizen | huh? | 21:06 |
| @vayde | lol | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Ctrl-W and Ctrl-Q | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | They are way too close | 21:06 |
| @rizen | ah, probably the same idiot that decided on a mac to have Apple Q and Apple Tab next to each other | 21:06 |
| @rizen | one quits, one pages through open apps | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I see | 21:07 |
| * SDuensin just learned to type. Solves those problems. | 21:07 | |
| +perlDreamer | and since you want to rapidly page through apps... | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: I've decided that I'm going to become evil. | 21:07 |
| @rizen | an evil genius for a better tomorrow? | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | Exactly! I'm going to start writing backdoors into WebGUI so that I get control of Windows servers. | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | Of course, it will be cleverly disguised as bug fixes, RFEs and tests | 21:08 |
| @rizen | i c | 21:08 |
| @rizen | 1 deleted subversion account coming up | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | Think of the work we won't have to do anymore. | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | No more Windows for WRE | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | No more filesystem semantics. | 21:10 |
| @rizen | you sweet talker | 21:10 |
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| SDuensin | hhehe | 21:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | And no more windows support at the server level. | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | We could even go one step further, and start hacking people who use IE. | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Just replace it with Firefox with a skin. | 21:11 |
| @vayde | 'together we will rule the galaxy....' ? | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | "There is no good and evil. Only power, and those too foolish not to use it." | 21:12 |
| @vayde | who are you quoting? Palpatine? or Napoleon? | 21:13 |
| +perlDreamer | Voldemort | 21:13 |
| @vayde | definitely an evil genius for a better tomorrow. | 21:13 |
| SDuensin | Voldemort! | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | and I actually misquoted him | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | "There is no good and evil, there is only power, and those too weak to seek it..." | 21:15 |
| @vayde | I think HP should start a campaign to refer to him as 'Old Voldy' really mess with his head | 21:15 |
| @vayde | evil geniuses rarely can laugh at themselves | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | It's a character flaw | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | It's the same one that makes them monologue | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Of course, if I did hack it, I'd feel remorseful afterwards | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | Aggrieved, even | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd have to iron my hands | 21:18 |
| +crythias | back. | 21:39 |
| +crythias | yeah, long hour. | 21:39 |
| +crythias | so, rizen, you said that rank isn't the problem? | 21:39 |
| @rizen | well your rankness can be a problem | 21:40 |
| @rizen | =) | 21:40 |
| @rizen | but mine is worse than yours | 21:40 |
| * crythias sniff his pits. eqe.. oh! I should have used *right* guard! | 21:41 | |
| +crythias | s/eqe/ewe/ | 21:41 |
| @rizen | rank has nothing to do with the problem at hand here | 21:41 |
| @rizen | and we can't use rank to solve the problem | 21:41 |
| @rizen | because rank is only 1 list | 21:41 |
| @rizen | and there can be many content positions on the page | 21:42 |
| +crythias | but the asset knows what content position_loop to be in ... | 21:42 |
| @rizen | nope it doesn't | 21:42 |
| @rizen | the page layout asset keeps track of that | 21:43 |
| @rizen | not each asset | 21:43 |
| +crythias | well, not the "asset", but the asset ends up in the proper (or is it just the last position_loop?) | 21:43 |
| @rizen | the new asset just gets tagged on to the end of the first content position, because the page layout doesn't know what to do with it yet | 21:43 |
| @rizen | if we knew the assetid before the asset was created, then we could tell the page layout where to put it | 21:44 |
| @rizen | before going to the edit screen | 21:44 |
| @rizen | but that doesn't happen until after you hit save | 21:44 |
| +crythias | ok, so greybox asset stubs? | 21:44 |
| +crythias | change assetstub asset type? | 21:45 |
| @rizen | what is assetstub? | 21:45 |
| +crythias | a fictitious name for a greybox "between" assets that always exists, with an assetId. | 21:45 |
| +crythias | I guess that is silly... | 21:46 |
| @rizen | the only thing i can think of is that we change the asset API to allow an assetId to be passed in through the URL | 21:48 |
| @rizen | but that seems dangerous to me | 21:48 |
| @rizen | let's come back to this and talk about the shifting problem for a second | 21:50 |
| @rizen | the problem where all the content has to be shifted over to make room for the admin bar | 21:50 |
| @rizen | there's another RFE out there that wants to make the adminbar not scroll with the page because it renders really slowly on some browsers | 21:50 |
| @rizen | i think i know a way to deal with both problems at the same time | 21:51 |
| @rizen | what if the admin bar sat in a frame on the left side of the screen, and the content was included in a frame on the right side of the screen? | 21:51 |
| @rizen | i think that solves the problem | 21:52 |
| @rizen | in addition, i think that pages would load faster because the admin bar wouldn't have to be refreshed on every screen | 21:53 |
| * perlmonkey2 ponders hiding from this channel because he knows he needs to start making some progress on the survey update. | 21:55 | |
| +crythias | I'd like the admin bar to be a hovering div | 21:56 |
| @rizen | but a hovering div covers content | 21:56 |
| perlmonkey2 | what is it now? iframe? | 21:56 |
| +crythias | draggable, hovering div | 21:56 |
| @rizen | it's a div that pushes over all the content on the page | 21:56 |
| @rizen | ok cry...tell me this then | 21:58 |
| @rizen | you're at the bottom of a long page | 21:58 |
| @rizen | now you have to scroll to the top where your draggable hovering div is | 21:58 |
| @rizen | to do anything | 21:58 |
| +crythias | why? | 21:58 |
| @rizen | is that acceptable? | 21:58 |
| @rizen | how could you not? | 21:58 |
| +crythias | not if the div can follow your scroll | 21:58 |
| @rizen | if it's draggable then you have to put it into position | 21:58 |
| @rizen | you just said it was draggable | 21:58 |
| @rizen | is it scrolling or is it dragging? | 21:59 |
| +crythias | it's fixed to position relative to window, not content | 21:59 |
| +crythias | fixed: draggable to a ... | 21:59 |
| @rizen | tell you what...create a static html page somewhere, with a div that does what you want it to do | 22:00 |
| @rizen | cuz i don't understand you | 22:00 |
| perlmonkey2 | I'm not sure that is possible. You drag the div to a location. Then you scroll down. The div will not stay fixed, right? | 22:00 |
| @rizen | that's what i'm saying | 22:01 |
| +crythias | http://www.thescripts.com/forum/thread146154.html | 22:01 |
| @rizen | you can't have it scroll and drag | 22:01 |
| perlmonkey2 | Geocities style? Yuck. | 22:02 |
| perlmonkey2 | Talk about a trainwreck for asethics. | 22:02 |
| +crythias | this is for admin, not users | 22:02 |
| @rizen | cry...the admin bar already does the follow thing that you just pointed me to | 22:02 |
| perlmonkey2 | Okay.....then groovy. | 22:03 |
| @rizen | the problem i have is that i know how to make something draggable | 22:03 |
| @rizen | and i know how to make something follow the scroll bar | 22:03 |
| @rizen | but i don't know how to make them do that at the same time | 22:03 |
| +crythias | once focus is blur, the item is fixed.. | 22:04 |
| @rizen | because they seem to be working against each other | 22:04 |
| @rizen | and actually, let me take a step back for a second | 22:04 |
| @rizen | even if i could make this work | 22:04 |
| @rizen | i think this is a horrible idea | 22:04 |
| @rizen | because no matter what | 22:04 |
| +crythias | http://www.dynamicdrive.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-7463.html | 22:04 |
| @rizen | you're always going to have some part of your page covered by the admin bar | 22:04 |
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| @rizen | it's annoying | 22:04 |
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| perlmonkey2 | position:fixed? | 22:05 |
| +crythias | yes, but if you work in photoshop, you have the same issue, sometimes. | 22:05 |
| perlmonkey2 | What happens if you drag/drop something with position:fixed attr? | 22:05 |
| @rizen | having the admin bar cover any part of the content is unacceptable | 22:05 |
| SDuensin | Pop the sucker open in another browser window. | 22:05 |
| perlmonkey2 | What's the complaint with the current set up? | 22:06 |
| @rizen | if you use a fixed position element in your site | 22:06 |
| @rizen | it doesn't get pushed over with the rest of your content | 22:06 |
| @rizen | when the admin bar is turned on | 22:06 |
| @rizen | that's the complaint | 22:07 |
| @rizen | or at least cry's complaint | 22:07 |
| @rizen | another user has a complaint that the whole follow as you drag thing slows down their computer | 22:07 |
| +crythias | As long as the admin bar is not full page, it doesn't matter to me where the admin bar is as long as it's not where I'm needing to work. | 22:07 |
| @rizen | s/drag/scroll/ | 22:07 |
| SDuensin | I like the frame idea. Or make it a toggle so it's framed or in a new floating window. That's easy enough - just change the target. | 22:07 |
| perlmonkey2 | I don't use position:fixed so I like it how it is :0 | 22:08 |
| @rizen | SD when you're the one writing it, you can make it do two different things | 22:08 |
| @rizen | while i'm the one writing it, it's going to work just one way | 22:08 |
| SDuensin | When I write it, it'll be on it's own desktop. :-P | 22:08 |
| @rizen | when it's on it's own desktop, you won't need the admin bar | 22:09 |
| +crythias | http://www.gwy2.org/uploads/drag.html | 22:10 |
| @rizen | cry, thank you, but as i said, covering any part of the content is unacceptable | 22:11 |
| SDuensin | crythias, ok, that is kinda cool. | 22:11 |
| +crythias | why is that more unacceptable than not being able to accurately edit a web page? | 22:11 |
| SDuensin | I GOT IT! Command line! No more bar! "INSERT ARTICLE INTO PAGE1" | 22:12 |
| @rizen | the solution i gave about frames fixes both problems | 22:12 |
| +crythias | well, I don't have necessarily an issue about frames. | 22:12 |
| @rizen | and it's more acceptable because you're not the only person in the world that uses webgui | 22:12 |
| @rizen | there are a lot of users out there who would be confused by the admin bar floating, and even more that would be angry about their content being covered up by it | 22:13 |
| +crythias | except that it's only covering up when admin is on. a lot of admin on things break normal user experience. | 22:13 |
| @rizen | this IS the user experience | 22:14 |
| @rizen | the web page in normal viewing mode is irrelevant | 22:14 |
| @rizen | you're forgetting that MY user is the content manager | 22:14 |
| @rizen | and that means that admin mode | 22:14 |
| @rizen | is my user experience | 22:14 |
| +crythias | SDuensin: Thanks | 22:18 |
| +crythias | adding stuff that isn't in the final product is ok, though? | 22:19 |
| @rizen | are you talking to me? | 22:19 |
| +crythias | yes, sorry. | 22:19 |
| @rizen | adding stuff where? | 22:19 |
| +crythias | between assets. | 22:20 |
| @rizen | why do i always feel lost talking to you. can you please make a complete statement and not assume any prior conversation? | 22:20 |
| +crythias | If the admin bar can roll-up, be transparent, or hidden, then it's still unacceptable at any time to cover content? | 22:21 |
| @rizen | yes, because in order to use it, you're going to have to unroll, or otherwise make it visible again...and doing that adds an extra click | 22:23 |
| +crythias | or mouseover? | 22:23 |
| @rizen | cry, it's still covering the content | 22:24 |
| @rizen | get it through your head, it's unacceptable...when i say that, i mean it, and i mean that you can't change my mind on it | 22:24 |
| +crythias | but it's not any more obtrusive than the (x)(edit)(copy) buttons. | 22:24 |
| @rizen | yes it is, because those buttons don't COVER content | 22:24 |
| @rizen | the COVER part is the part i don't like | 22:24 |
| @rizen | i don't care about dragging scrolling invisibility whatever | 22:25 |
| @rizen | i care about COVERING | 22:25 |
| @rizen | and COVERING is unacceptable | 22:25 |
| @rizen | conversation over | 22:25 |
| SDuensin | So, rizen, you'd rather it didn't cover anything? | 22:26 |
| * SDuensin ducks | 22:26 | |
| +crythias | The frames shrink the workable area. | 22:26 |
| pjesi | can't the adminbar be horizontal at the top? | 22:49 |
| +crythias | extra clicks to get to new content | 22:49 |
| +crythias | plus downward lists cover existing content | 22:50 |
| @rizen | and most importantly, that doesn't solve either of the two problems that we're trying to solve | 22:50 |
| @rizen | where it is, and what it's shaped like are irrelevant | 22:51 |
| +crythias | Please remind me the two problems? | 22:51 |
| @rizen | 1) if you used fixed position items on your site, the current admin bar doesn't shift them over, but it does shift over all other content, which then causes a defect in the site | 22:54 |
| @rizen | 2) having the admin bar scroll with the page in the manner that it does now causes the browser to be slow, sluggish, etc | 22:55 |
| +crythias | and I remember at one time the admin bar scrolled out from left, correct? | 22:56 |
| @rizen | yes it did, and people hated it | 22:57 |
| @rizen | because | 22:57 |
| @rizen | 1) it covered their content | 22:57 |
| @rizen | 2) it slowed down their computer | 22:57 |
| @rizen | 3) sometimes they had a hard time clicking on it while it was moving | 22:58 |
| +crythias | I agree with that. | 22:58 |
| +crythias | I'd understand that *that* covering of content was unacceptable for the fact that you couldn't do anything at all with content under the admin bar, because the admin bar was in a fixed position. | 22:59 |
| @rizen | i have 2 viable ways to fix the above two remaining problems | 23:00 |
| @rizen | 1) the frames way that i mentioned | 23:00 |
| @rizen | 2) move the admin bar to the right side of the screen | 23:00 |
| @rizen | most people position stuff from the left | 23:00 |
| @rizen | when they use fixed positions | 23:00 |
| @rizen | so that would solve the problem 99% of the time | 23:01 |
| @rizen | however, it causes 2 other problems | 23:01 |
| @rizen | 1) people are already used to it being on the left | 23:01 |
| @rizen | 2) the reason it's on the left instead of the right is because when i put it on the right, people accidentally clicked on the admin bar when they were trying to scroll | 23:01 |
| @rizen | therefore, i think moving it to the right just adds more problems, and therefore is not a viable solution | 23:02 |
| +crythias | which the frames does make absolute positioning work correctly. | 23:02 |
| @rizen | which thusly brings us back to frames | 23:02 |
| @rizen | yup, cuz i'm not mucking with their html/css at all | 23:02 |
| @rizen | i'm just putting it inside a frame | 23:03 |
| +crythias | I like frames for the purposes stated. | 23:03 |
| @rizen | the only problem with frames is that i personally hate frames | 23:03 |
| @rizen | =) | 23:03 |
| @rizen | but that's my bias | 23:03 |
| @rizen | and i guess i'll have to get over it | 23:03 |
| @rizen | unless someone comes up with something else | 23:03 |
| +crythias | are any concerns about cross-site scripting vulnerability related to frames use in this context? | 23:03 |
| +crythias | (I hate frames, too, but I seem to see not many other options) | 23:04 |
| +crythias | s/are any/are there any/ | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I know i'm coming in late,but I have a suggestion. | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Why not have give the Admin Bar its own z-axis control and map it to a bindkey | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Say, F2 | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | F2, Admin bar on top of content | 23:07 |
| +crythias | because it covers content | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | F2, Admin bar on bottom of content | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | kind of like the Admin console | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | only with a bindkey | 23:07 |
| SDuensin | Bindkeys work everywhere? | 23:07 |
| @vayde | I dunno, seeing an actual useful and non-sucky use of frames would be somewhat refreshing | 23:08 |
| SDuensin | hehehe | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | by definition, frames suck and are non-useful | 23:08 |
| +crythias | well, if you frame it that way... | 23:08 |
| @rizen | wahoo | 23:09 |
| +crythias | ? | 23:10 |
| @rizen | cry, your drag thing fixed the slowness problem | 23:10 |
| @rizen | i can get rid of my javascript to scroll the admin bar | 23:10 |
| @rizen | i didn't know about position:fixed!important; | 23:10 |
| @rizen | when i wrote the admin bar | 23:10 |
| @rizen | so i've been using javascript to float it | 23:10 |
| @rizen | or to slide it down the screen when you scroll | 23:11 |
| @rizen | so cutting out that code fixes the slowness problem that was reported | 23:11 |
| @rizen | so now we just need to fix the fixed elements problem | 23:11 |
| @rizen | which, unfortunately still comes back to frames | 23:11 |
| @rizen | methinks | 23:11 |
| +crythias | well, the draggable fixed div thing didn't seem to have the scroll-bounce problem that similar solutions I've seen had. | 23:12 |
| +crythias | that is, one scrolls down, the hover div goes off, then bounces back into place when the scroll stops. | 23:13 |
| @rizen | yeah, that's exactly what the problem is with the admin bar currently | 23:13 |
| @rizen | which causes slowdown on slower computers | 23:13 |
| @preaction | display: fixed; is supposed to work on IE7 | 23:13 |
| @rizen | preaction, do you have ie7? | 23:14 |
| @preaction | er.. position: fixed | 23:14 |
| @preaction | yes | 23:14 |
| * SDuensin wishes IE7 had CSS "fixed". | 23:14 | |
| @rizen | i've just made the change on plainblack.com | 23:14 |
| @rizen | could you test it | 23:14 |
| @rizen | and make sure it's working | 23:14 |
| @rizen | i'll test ie6 | 23:14 |
| @preaction | k | 23:14 |
| @preaction | it doesn't work on ie6, i know that | 23:14 |
| +crythias | does this make sense? http://xullicious.blogspot.com/2006/02/smooth-positionfixed-in-ie.html | 23:15 |
| @preaction | works in IE7 | 23:16 |
| @rizen | so the admin bar moves with the page fluidly? | 23:17 |
| @preaction | http://www.webdevout.net/browser-support-css#support-css2propsbasic-position <- list of CSS properties and their level of support | 23:17 |
| @preaction | yes | 23:17 |
| @preaction | it's fixed to the viewport, doesn't move at all | 23:18 |
| @rizen | crap | 23:20 |
| @rizen | you're right, it doesn't work at all in ie6 | 23:20 |
| @rizen | and neither does crythias's suggested reading | 23:21 |
| +crythias | however, you can use IE6 if to run the javascript ... thing if only for IE6... | 23:21 |
| @rizen | i guess we need to stick with my crap ass javascript until we go to frames | 23:21 |
| @rizen | i think i can pretty quickly and easily do the frames thing for 7.4 if and when we ever start working on 7.4 | 23:22 |
| @preaction | use a conditional comment to load the JS <!--[if IE6]> Load script here <[/endif]--> | 23:22 |
| SDuensin | <!--[if IE6]> Download Firefox <[/endif]--> | 23:22 |
| @preaction | better explanation of conditional comments: http://www.quirksmode.org/css/condcom.html | 23:23 |
| @rizen | given the way it is written, that will take more effort than you might imagine, and it's not worth it considering i still have to rewrite it for 7.4 anyway | 23:24 |
| @rizen | cuz the scrolling is only half of the problem | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | --bug | 23:25 |
| +crythias | http://www.cssplay.co.uk/layouts/fixed.html | 23:26 |
| +crythias | ttfn | 23:30 |
| @preaction | but if you can't use absolute/relative positions on the rest of the page, that's almost worse than the disease | 23:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | --bug | 23:58 |
| @rizen | you rock | 23:58 |
| @rizen | i closed only 3 so far today | 23:58 |
| @rizen | all wre related | 23:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I was able to close the re-posted SQL Form bug (which needed the user to upgrade) | 23:58 |
| +perlDreamer | and the wiki link one ignoring the gateway url | 23:59 |
| --- Day changed Wed May 02 2007 | ||
| +perlDreamer | rizen: we can close another easy one if you'll have vrby finish this up: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/assetproxy-macro-in-checkout#pClyXEnr3-nxLP0GV-dUmA | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to tackle mlamar's dataform bug next | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to be pretty busy during the official Bug Day, so I though I'd kick in when I can | 00:01 |
| @rizen | i've thrown it at him | 00:01 |
| @rizen | cool | 00:02 |
| cap10morgan | can you ask a revision object who created that revision in the API? | 00:06 |
| cap10morgan | i can't figure it out based on the docs | 00:06 |
| @rizen | yes | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | In the assetVersionTag table, see the committedBy field | 00:08 |
| @rizen | do you have a version tag object, or the asset object? | 00:08 |
| cap10morgan | version tag object | 00:08 |
| @rizen | $tag->get("committedBy") | 00:10 |
| @rizen | will return the userId | 00:10 |
| @rizen | which you can then feed into WebGUI::User->new($session, $id); | 00:10 |
| @rizen | you can also do createdBy | 00:10 |
| @rizen | if you want who created the tag | 00:10 |
| cap10morgan | groovy, that did the trick | 00:11 |
| cap10morgan | thanks rizen | 00:11 |
| cap10morgan | after you call $asset->update($properties); do you have to call $asset->commit(); ? | 00:13 |
| cap10morgan | (assuming you want to commit any version tags you're creating) | 00:13 |
| @rizen | no | 00:14 |
| cap10morgan | ok, cool | 00:14 |
| @rizen | update updates an existing revision | 00:14 |
| @rizen | so it's already committed | 00:14 |
| @rizen | or not | 00:14 |
| @rizen | but either way | 00:14 |
| @rizen | you only need to commit | 00:14 |
| @rizen | after doing | 00:14 |
| @rizen | addChild | 00:14 |
| @rizen | or addRevision | 00:14 |
| cap10morgan | ok | 00:14 |
| cap10morgan | out of curiosity, why do the docs recommend update over addRevision for API programmers? just because you don't have to mess w/ committing? | 00:15 |
| @rizen | in what way do they recommend one way over the other? | 00:16 |
| cap10morgan | under addRevision, it says, "Note that programmers should almost never call this method directly, but rather use the update() method instead." | 00:17 |
| cap10morgan | in AssetVersioning.html | 00:17 |
| @rizen | that language is rather strong | 00:18 |
| @rizen | in general, update() is the right thing to call unless you actually want a new revision | 00:18 |
| @rizen | most of the time you're modifying something in processPropertiesFromFormPost() or something like that | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: I just added some POD to WebGUI::VersionTag.pm with a short list of properties for ->get. | 00:19 |
| @rizen | in that case, you're already working on a new revision | 00:19 |
| @rizen | so you just want to update that | 00:19 |
| cap10morgan | ok, gotcha | 00:19 |
| @rizen | rather than adding yet another new rev | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=4036 | 00:19 |
| @rizen | k | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | Can you give it a quick once over | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I want to be sure my locking note is correct | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | about Asset locking vs version tag locking | 00:19 |
| @rizen | that is true | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | phew | 00:20 |
| @rizen | version tags are locked waiting for approval | 00:20 |
| @rizen | so they should not be edited during that time | 00:20 |
| @rizen | it's just that assets and version tags are locked for different reasons | 00:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | dang it | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | If she comes back, someone needs to tell her that her bug has already been fixed. | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | It's the graphcs/CS bug | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | It's only on the bug board about 3 times. | 00:36 |
| @rizen | did you close all of them? | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I didn't fix the original. | 00:40 |
| @rizen | but it is fixed, right? | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm like 95% positive they're all the same bug, but without testing I don't want to close the reports. | 00:41 |
| @rizen | ok then | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | --bug | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I would test the file upload stuff, but my browser doesn't do file upload in wG 7. (Mozilla 1.4) | 00:45 |
| @rizen | i can't believe you haven't found a way to sneak in a new browser yet | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | We looked into compiling one, but Gtk2 doesn't like Solaris 8 | 00:47 |
| @rizen | can't even get opera for solaris? | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Hmmmm..... | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Let me close another bug, then I'll look | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | --bug | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: you're a genius | 01:20 |
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| @rizen | opera works? | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Unbelieveable | 01:20 |
| @rizen | wahoo...now you have a modern browser | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | The only problem is that it doesn't like green | 01:20 |
| @rizen | after all these years | 01:20 |
| @rizen | huh? | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | On the PB support page, the recent posts column | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | the upgrade/install help forum posts are green normally? | 01:21 |
| @rizen | yup | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | Not in opera | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | they're yellow | 01:22 |
| @rizen | weird | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | Sunset's site is green, but in opera they're brown | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | It must think my church is crap | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | Vile, unholy modern browser! | 01:22 |
| @rizen | maybe it's not opera | 01:23 |
| @rizen | maybe your monitor is f*cked | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | No, I can see green in mozilla | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | And also blue | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | but not coincident with yellow | 01:31 |
| @rizen | oh well. at least now you can test stuff | 01:31 |
| @rizen | i was hoping you'd be able to just replace your browser | 01:31 |
| @rizen | guess that was hoping for too much | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I can live without green | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | It may also have a Flash plug-in | 01:32 |
| @rizen | you can't do flash right now either? | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | no flash | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | no bit torren | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | no mp3 | 01:32 |
| @rizen | crap ass | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | no video or audio of any types | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | poor javascript and CSS | 01:32 |
| @rizen | http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-sources.html | 01:33 |
| @rizen | have you tried vlc? | 01:33 |
| @rizen | that compiles pretty much everywhere | 01:33 |
| @rizen | and will give you full audio/video capabilities | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | Does it come with codecs? | 01:33 |
| @rizen | yup | 01:33 |
| @rizen | all codecs included | 01:34 |
| @rizen | you don't need to go get them | 01:34 |
| @rizen | even has codecs for most msft formats | 01:34 |
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| @rizen | ok..well i gotta go | 01:38 |
| @rizen | i might be back on later tonight | 01:38 |
| @rizen | oh and opera should have bittorrent built in | 01:38 |
| ckotil | is deactivating an account and deleting an account considered the same as far these workflow triggers go? | 01:52 |
| @preaction | i would think no | 01:53 |
| ckotil | we could have a workflow trigger for each, deactivation and deletion of user accounts | 01:53 |
| @preaction | could deactivation be the same as updating the user? if the new user properties are passed into the activity, you can test to see if the status is being changed | 01:55 |
| ckotil | that makes sense. | 02:00 |
| ckotil | i need to figure out what sub is called when an existing user account is saved by an admin | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | www_editUserSave? | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | inside Operation/User.pm | 02:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | --bug | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | That one is actually just a clean-up | 02:10 |
| @vayde | preaction, got a date conundrum for you | 02:19 |
| @preaction | ooh, i LOVE those | 02:19 |
| @vayde | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/sqlform-and-date-isnull#VqP8H7TxCcrI-4ZTiGG2ew | 02:19 |
| @vayde | been working on this one | 02:19 |
| @vayde | and I got it narrowed down to a specific culprit | 02:20 |
| @vayde | the question now is how to fix it | 02:20 |
| @vayde | It's breaking because it doesn't like doing datetime->setToEpoch on mysql's null date value 0000-00-00 | 02:20 |
| @vayde | If we test for that value and avoid the method call, the date gets interpreted as 1969-12-31 | 02:21 |
| @vayde | If I undef it the date gets interpreted as today | 02:21 |
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| @vayde | neither one is particularly attractive | 02:21 |
| @vayde | we need a way to preserve the null value as a null, not a specific epoch date | 02:22 |
| @preaction | why does undef get interpreted as today? | 02:22 |
| @preaction | in the SQLForm itself as the default value? | 02:22 |
| @vayde | I dunno. That's what is happening | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | Most of the DateTime calls default to today if no epoch is passed | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, it's time(), not today | 02:22 |
| @vayde | that's what I think is happening | 02:22 |
| @vayde | PD and I were kicking this one around, and I think we need to be able to handle a null value here | 02:23 |
| @vayde | Personally, I use null dates in my databases in a couple contexts | 02:23 |
| @vayde | while that might not be a wonderful thing, the last thing we can have happen is have what was a null get written to some arbitrary date | 02:24 |
| @preaction | but 0000-00-00 isn't null, iirc mysql allows null in those fields | 02:24 |
| @vayde | null in mysql gets stored as 0000-00-00 | 02:24 |
| @vayde | null in a date field anyway | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | Is assetIndex the table used by search? | 02:28 |
| @preaction | wait, is SQLForm using the WebGUI::Form::DateTime elements? | 02:28 |
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| @vayde | It's building dynamically | 02:29 |
| @vayde | in this case it's using WebGUI::Form::Date | 02:29 |
| @vayde | but it's _getFieldValue that's breaking | 02:30 |
| @preaction | you can give them the mysql dates, you don't need to setToEpoch | 02:30 |
| @vayde | it still gets converted to epoch | 02:30 |
| @vayde | mysql 0000-00-00 concerts to 1969-1231 | 02:30 |
| @vayde | er 1969-12-31 | 02:30 |
| @preaction | i think it might be prudent (since you can't have a negative epoch time) to have setToEpoch return anything before 1970 as 0. what do you think? | 02:33 |
| +SuckyMcSuckerton | my dad might not like to be set to 0 | 02:33 |
| @vayde | you can't have negative epoch? | 02:33 |
| @preaction | eh, never tried it | 02:34 |
| @preaction | so SQLForm is storing date/time in mysql date/time fields (not bigint), but it's changing it to epoch times... why? | 02:34 |
| @vayde | no, it's only storing them in mysql date fields if thats what the underlying table has in it | 02:35 |
| @vayde | It's changing ti to epoch if the field type is date or datetime | 02:35 |
| @preaction | i wonder why the SQLForm doesn't use backticks to bypass those reserved words, or DBI->quote_identifier | 02:36 |
| @vayde | why it appears to be converting it even if I tell it not to is another question | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Isn't that what WebGUI::Form does? | 02:36 |
| @preaction | WebGUI::Form::Date/Time fields don't convert to epoch IF you give it a value or a defaultValue that is using the mysql format | 02:36 |
| @preaction | that might be a problem | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | gotta head home. See y'all later. | 02:37 |
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| @vayde | this one is definitely a conundrum | 02:38 |
| +SuckyMcSuckerton | ? | 02:41 |
| @preaction | vayde: what if you trap the call to DateTime and if it fails return 0 or undef or something? i think it might be more important to be able to edit the record without worrying what we display if we have something we can't parse | 02:45 |
| @preaction | but i'd run it by JT, definately | 02:45 |
| @vayde | yeah, I could do that, but if it displays somethign wierd by default then, and you save the record, you're gonna save the wierd value | 02:46 |
| @preaction | the only way i can see running into that is if someone adds a date field after there's already data in the database | 02:46 |
| @vayde | and whether it's time() or 1669-12-31, its still definitely not the null you had before | 02:46 |
| @vayde | yep. if you import an existing table into a SQLForm | 02:47 |
| @preaction | using the wg date/time elements it's impossible to get a null value | 02:47 |
| @vayde | and it has date fields | 02:47 |
| @vayde | and those date fields have nulls | 02:47 |
| @preaction | alternatively, we could add a null checkbox as an option to the form control that (for now) only the SQLForm uses | 02:48 |
| @vayde | It might be a rare case, but in any event, it's not failing in a useful way. | 02:48 |
| @vayde | No matter what, I think it comes down to a policy decision by JT | 02:48 |
| @preaction | indeed | 02:49 |
| +Radix_ | morning folks | 02:50 |
| @preaction | i'd put in my vote for the null checkbox, as you said there are times when NULL can be informative | 02:51 |
| * Radix_ heads off to work. | 02:56 | |
| @vayde | one way or another, we have to preserve the data. It could just fail more descriptively, but it can't change the data. That's just asking for trouble | 02:57 |
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| @preaction | if it fails like it's doing, though, you can't fix the data. | 03:06 |
| @vayde | right, but if it pulls up normally, it's changing the data | 03:08 |
| @vayde | personally, I'd rather be forced to go in by hand and edit the record rather than have wG change it to something, but honestly both alternatives are unacceptable | 03:12 |
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| +SuckyMcSuckerton | discovery channel ninja | 06:07 |
| +Radix-wrk | Hmm? | 06:10 |
| +SuckyMcSuckerton | on discovery channel us now ... | 06:11 |
| +SuckyMcSuckerton | us:US | 06:11 |
| +SuckyMcSuckerton | debunking ninja myths. | 06:11 |
| +Radix-wrk | Ahh.. should've told vayde before he left.. he'd have loved to have seen that I'm sure | 06:11 |
| +Radix-wrk | Why the new name Gerald? | 06:12 |
| +SuckyMcSuckerton | jt blessed my appellation. | 06:12 |
| +SuckyMcSuckerton | http://mentalhouse.net/irc/logs/webgui/2007-05.log | 06:13 |
| +SuckyMcSuckerton | see 18:45 | 06:13 |
| +Radix-wrk | heh.. rizen hates my RFE's too | 06:14 |
| +SuckyMcSuckerton | it's a good read, but... http://www.gwy2.org/uploads/drag.html | 06:16 |
| +Radix-wrk | dragable div - nice | 06:17 |
| +SuckyMcSuckerton | not only draggable, but fixed on scroll | 06:18 |
| +Radix-wrk | Ahh.. true, didn't try scrolling | 06:18 |
| +Radix-wrk | this what you were conceiving for the admin bar? | 06:18 |
| +SuckyMcSuckerton | yeah | 06:18 |
| +Radix-wrk | looks good to me | 06:19 |
| +SuckyMcSuckerton | "Covers content"=BAD | 06:19 |
| +SuckyMcSuckerton | although, moveable covering content isn't so bad... | 06:19 |
| +Radix-wrk | the zenlike theme I converted had a problem with the admin bar - but it was one where half the admin bar was covered up, not the other way around | 06:19 |
| +Radix-wrk | no idea how to fix it so I left it as is in the theme, can scroll down the page to get to the rest of the admin bar | 06:20 |
| +SuckyMcSuckerton | hrm... | 06:21 |
| +SuckyMcSuckerton | I wonder ... | 06:21 |
| +SuckyMcSuckerton | I spose I could rejiggerthe admin bar | 06:21 |
| @rizen | ckotil delete and deactivate should be different workflows | 06:42 |
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| sstanvir | hello | 08:38 |
| @rizen | howdy | 08:39 |
| sstanvir | how r u doing | 08:40 |
| @rizen | just dandy | 08:40 |
| @rizen | and you? | 08:40 |
| sstanvir | so so,thnx | 08:40 |
| sstanvir | what is "dandy" ;) ? | 08:40 |
| @rizen | it's another word for "fine" or "good" | 08:41 |
| sstanvir | i c | 08:41 |
| sstanvir | i have one issue | 08:41 |
| sstanvir | can I ga? | 08:43 |
| @rizen | ga? | 08:43 |
| @rizen | what is ga? | 08:43 |
| sstanvir | "go ahead" | 08:43 |
| @rizen | you can ask, but that doesn't mean i'll have an answer for you | 08:43 |
| sstanvir | i know | 08:43 |
| sstanvir | that's why asking... if u r in the mood | 08:44 |
| @rizen | make it quick, i'm going to bed soon | 08:44 |
| sstanvir | ah, ok | 08:44 |
| sstanvir | in my WebGUI.. .. | 08:44 |
| sstanvir | i created some assets . | 08:45 |
| sstanvir | it shows the message several times "no menus defined" when I browse through the pages | 08:45 |
| sstanvir | i mean everytime one page opens (associated with the created asset) | 08:45 |
| sstanvir | i have no idea why it shows the message | 08:46 |
| @rizen | are you using the default webgui 7 style? | 08:46 |
| sstanvir | i changed to style03 | 08:46 |
| sstanvir | style template and printable style => style03 | 08:47 |
| @rizen | the coolmenus nav is the thing that generates that message | 08:47 |
| @rizen | it only generates that message when either it doesn't have any pages to display in the nav | 08:47 |
| @rizen | or when there is some corruption in the data being displayed (maybe quotes or half quotes or carriage returns in the page titles) | 08:48 |
| @rizen | that's as good of information as i can give you without looking at your pages directly | 08:48 |
| @rizen | which i'm not going to do | 08:48 |
| sstanvir | after displaying the error message it's displaying the page | 08:49 |
| @rizen | yup | 08:49 |
| @rizen | it's only the nav that's broken, not the page | 08:49 |
| sstanvir | i didnt get your point completely.. which part is the nav ? | 08:49 |
| @rizen | nav = navigation | 08:50 |
| sstanvir | yes | 08:50 |
| @rizen | there is a navigation asset in the style | 08:50 |
| @rizen | that's as much help as i can give you | 08:50 |
| sstanvir | ok, thanks a lot | 08:51 |
| sstanvir | i appreciate your help.. | 08:52 |
| @rizen | it's not that i don't want to help you further | 08:52 |
| @rizen | but i'm tired | 08:52 |
| @rizen | and you have to understand that i'm in the business of charging for support | 08:52 |
| sstanvir | yeah | 08:53 |
| @rizen | and you're welcome | 08:53 |
| sstanvir | understood | 08:53 |
| @rizen | now that you know where to look, perhaps someone else on here can help you further, or maybe out on the public boards | 08:53 |
| sstanvir | hmm..ok | 08:53 |
| sstanvir | otsukare-sama-desu | 08:54 |
| @rizen | huh? | 08:54 |
| sstanvir | it means something like "thank you".. "good job"... etc.. | 08:54 |
| sstanvir | (japanese tradition) | 08:55 |
| @rizen | i see | 08:55 |
| @rizen | we'll you're quite welcome | 08:55 |
| sstanvir | so, take rest, bye for now | 08:55 |
| @rizen | later | 08:55 |
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| xootom | is anyone using e-commerce in webgui? | 14:10 |
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| +Radix_ | not me | 15:29 |
| xootom | anyone know if it's possible to change the $ to £ ? | 15:47 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | that's probably in the templates | 15:47 |
| xootom | i thought that but can only find it when it relates to an additional price | 15:47 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | hmmm | 15:48 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | what templaets have you looked at | 15:48 |
| xootom | for event management, display, checkout, manage/view purchases, search | 15:49 |
| xootom | and through the language files | 15:49 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | did you also checked out the product macro templates? | 15:49 |
| xootom | no, only default product template | 15:52 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | where do you see the $ sign? | 15:52 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | using the Product macro | 15:53 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | in the shoppingcart? | 15:53 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | during checkout? | 15:53 |
| xootom | on the choose a badge from the list bit | 15:54 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | aha | 15:54 |
| xootom | and browse events | 15:54 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | that's in the eventsmanagement system right? | 15:54 |
| xootom | yep | 15:54 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | it's probably in there | 15:55 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | but i have never used it | 15:55 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | so i'm not sure | 15:55 |
| xootom | thats what ive been looking through, cant find it though | 15:55 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | better wait till the PB people are awake | 15:55 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | they can prolly help you | 15:55 |
| xootom | ok thanks :) | 15:57 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | np | 15:57 |
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| @rizen | howdy folks | 16:24 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | hi | 16:25 |
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| @rizen | perlDreamer!! | 16:25 |
| +perlDreamer | oy, it's early | 16:25 |
| @rizen | didn't expect you at all today | 16:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll probably always be IRC'able, but may not have much bandwidth for bug fixing | 16:25 |
| +perlDreamer | But I did read some commits, and I have a question for BugSlasherMurray | 16:26 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | shoot | 16:26 |
| +perlDreamer | What happens to the search index if someone pastes a branch/tree of assets? | 16:26 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | hmm | 16:27 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | i guess that's a bug too | 16:27 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | i'll check it out | 16:27 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | and fix it | 16:27 |
| xootom | anyone know why when searching forums, the list of items returned contains repeated text, e.g. "Re: Purchase Files for Download (Commerce) Re: Purchase Files for Download (Commerce) rfe request for enhancement purchase files for download commerce re purchase files for download commerce" | 16:28 |
| xootom | is it grepping all the lines that include the keyword | 16:29 |
| xootom | would be nicer if it just showed the first paragraph | 16:29 |
| @rizen | is xootom, today is the great webgui bugfix day | 16:30 |
| @rizen | therefore, if it's not related to a bug | 16:30 |
| @rizen | please keep the chatter down | 16:30 |
| @rizen | thanks | 16:30 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | rizen | 16:33 |
| xootom | my apologies, the channel title has been the same for the last few days | 16:33 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/diff/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm?rev1=4041;rev2=4042 | 16:33 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | this only applies to the asset being pasted | 16:33 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | however not to its children | 16:33 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | descendants | 16:34 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | i could do a indexContent on all descendats of the asset | 16:34 |
| +perlDreamer | and it doesn't remove the original data from the searchIndex, either, so you should get two hits. | 16:34 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | but wouldn;t that be very slow | 16:34 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | why wouldn't it remove the existing data? | 16:35 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | it just overwrites it | 16:35 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | right? | 16:35 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | updte .. where assetId = ... | 16:35 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, yes. Sorry 'bout that. | 16:36 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | np | 16:36 |
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| @rizen | bugslashermurray, sorry i was doing something else | 16:46 |
| @rizen | was that conversation for me or for pd | 16:46 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | for you | 16:46 |
| @rizen | what bug report is this related to? | 16:48 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | `http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/asset-tree-cut-and-paste-not-handled-by-search | 16:49 |
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| @rizen | ok, yes you should update all the children | 16:54 |
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| @rizen | if it turns out to be slow | 16:54 |
| @rizen | then we'll add a trigger, and a special workflow | 16:54 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | ok | 16:55 |
| @rizen | to index it in the background | 16:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: what version of HTML::Template is running on pb.com? | 16:55 |
| @rizen | i don't know...but that's what i was going to look at next | 16:55 |
| @rizen | i'm just getting questioned to death so i'm not able to do anything | 16:56 |
| @rizen | bugslasher, as far as why it wouldn't already remove/overwite existing data, i'm not sure | 16:56 |
| @rizen | it should | 16:56 |
| +perlDreamer | that was my bad, rizen. It will remove the content from assetIndex. | 16:57 |
| @rizen | crap...pb is on the latest version | 17:03 |
| @rizen | now checking demo site | 17:04 |
| +perlDreamer | My dev site is running 2.8 | 17:04 |
| @rizen | 2.8 | 17:04 |
| @rizen | ok, upgrading demo site to see if that makes the difference | 17:04 |
| @rizen | yup | 17:06 |
| @rizen | that's it | 17:06 |
| @rizen | no longer works on demo site | 17:06 |
| @vayde | --bug | 17:08 |
| +perlDreamer | ++vayde | 17:08 |
| @vayde | awe, shucks | 17:11 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: karma vayde | 17:12 |
| perlbot | vayde doesn't have any karma | 17:12 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: ++vayde | 17:13 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: karma vayde | 17:13 |
| perlbot | vayde doesn't have any karma | 17:13 |
| @vayde | I have trancended the wheel of samsara | 17:13 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: thou suckest | 17:13 |
| @vayde | Oom....... | 17:13 |
| +perlDreamer | Electrical Engineers meditate to "Ohmslaw" | 17:14 |
| * vayde is more familiar with Murphy's law | 17:14 | |
| @vayde | and I've always liked Paul's law: You can't fall off the floor. | 17:15 |
| @vayde | PD, you know about Coles' law? | 17:15 |
| +perlDreamer | no, but I'm pondering Paul's law with regard to apartment buildings and earthquakes | 17:16 |
| @vayde | Coles' law is all about thinly sliced cabbage | 17:16 |
| * perlDreamer recommends that $vayde->stick($dayJob) | 17:17 | |
| @vayde | rofl | 17:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Easy for you to do, vayde. You have lots of mats on the floor. | 17:19 |
| @vayde | and lots of pointed sticks to _convince_ people that my jokes are funny | 17:20 |
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| +BugSlasherMurray | rizen | 17:28 |
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| @rizen | bsm | 17:28 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | wher does this file do the actual cleaup of the cache? | 17:28 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/CleanFileCache.pm | 17:28 |
| @preaction | sweet zombie jesus there are 27 people here | 17:28 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | i'm asking b/c of the rss cache bug | 17:28 |
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| @rizen | $size = $cache->getNamespaceSize($expiresModifier); | 17:28 |
| @rizen | the getNamespaceSize method cleans up expired content | 17:29 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | ah | 17:29 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | ic now | 17:29 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | rmtree($dir); | 17:29 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | should the rss cache be cleaned in that activity too | 17:30 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | or should it get it's own activity? | 17:30 |
| @rizen | i'm conflicted on that...been thinking about it for a while | 17:30 |
| @rizen | RSS is shared by other sites | 17:30 |
| @rizen | as is URL | 17:30 |
| @rizen | and a few other things | 17:31 |
| @rizen | what do you think? | 17:31 |
| @rizen | methinks that there should probably be a new one that cleans up all the auxillary stuff | 17:31 |
| @rizen | that way it doesn't get cleaned up 50 times if you have 50 sites on your box | 17:31 |
| @preaction | keep a file in the cache that has the last time it was cleaned, or use the last modified date from the file system? | 17:31 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | what's the real difference? | 17:31 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | tehy all have an expiration date right? | 17:32 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | oh ok | 17:32 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | ic | 17:32 |
| @rizen | the difference is that it will have to traverse the filesystem 50 times, which is slow | 17:32 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | but how do you setup a workflow for a host of zites | 17:32 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | sites* | 17:32 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | one workflow that is | 17:32 |
| @rizen | oh...good point | 17:33 |
| @rizen | in that case....make it part of the main worklfow | 17:33 |
| @rizen | activity | 17:33 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | the file being? | 17:33 |
| @rizen | Workflow/Activity/CleanFileCache.pm | 17:33 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | ok | 17:34 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | but it will be executed 50 times then | 17:34 |
| @rizen | yeah, but there's no way around it | 17:34 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | ok | 17:35 |
| @rizen | at least it will run faster by the 50th time | 17:35 |
| @rizen | =) | 17:35 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | i figured so much | 17:35 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | =) | 17:35 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | you could say that the more sites you put on a box the faster it will run on average | 17:35 |
| * BugSlasherMurray is thinking of becomming a salesman =) | 17:35 | |
| @rizen | BugSlasherMurray could sell ice cubes to an eskimo | 17:36 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | they will stay frozen even longer if eskimos' buy them | 17:36 |
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| @preaction | is this a bug? http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/wrong-permissions -- seems more like a personal preference that can be fixed with a couple calls to Edit Branch | 17:38 |
| +perlDreamer | BSMcGirk: did you find the Template bug? I've been poking around and think I've got it if you don't. | 17:38 |
| cap10morgan | I'm thinking I'll tackle this one: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/auto-generated-synopsis-not-re-generated-after-edit | 17:39 |
| @BugSlasherMcGirk | i've been poking around, but i can't figure it out | 17:39 |
| @BugSlasherMcGirk | cap...when you start working on one, you should reply to it saying so | 17:39 |
| +perlDreamer | It's inside _getTemplateVars | 17:39 |
| cap10morgan | do you all agree that that probably requires adding a flag in the db that says whether or not a synopsis was auto-generated? | 17:39 |
| @BugSlasherMcGirk | and if you stop, then do the same | 17:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you want me to run with it? | 17:39 |
| cap10morgan | BSMG: will do | 17:39 |
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| @BugSlasherMcGirk | cap: no | 17:40 |
| @BugSlasherMcGirk | instead, make it autogenerate every time | 17:40 |
| @BugSlasherMcGirk | unless it gets submitted through the form | 17:40 |
| @BugSlasherMcGirk | that's how it's supposed to have worked all along | 17:40 |
| @BugSlasherMcGirk | so unless $session->form->param("synopsis") then autogen | 17:41 |
| SDuensin | Good morning | 17:41 |
| emi | Good Evening :-D | 17:42 |
| cap10morgan | BSMG: ok | 17:42 |
| cap10morgan | the svn instructions on the site for checking out head don't seem to work | 17:43 |
| @preaction | cap10morgan: svn co https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI <- i think that's the new url | 17:43 |
| cap10morgan | cool, thanks | 17:44 |
| @khenn | yeah, that's it | 17:44 |
| @vayde | yeah, the instructions on the pb site need to be updated | 17:44 |
| @preaction | i'll fix it | 17:44 |
| @khenn | log it as a bug! Get ur kara | 17:44 |
| @khenn | karma | 17:44 |
| +perlDreamer | BugSlasherMcGirk: I've got a fix for the Help bug. | 17:45 |
| @khenn | perlDreamer, do you have the day off today? | 17:45 |
| cap10morgan | i can't just commit my fix back to the repo, can i? | 17:45 |
| @BugSlasherMcGirk | pd: that's awesome | 17:46 |
| +perlDreamer | khenn: no. Given a choice between perl hacking and documentation for a design review... | 17:46 |
| @BugSlasherMcGirk | cap: i'll give you access for today | 17:46 |
| +perlDreamer | --bug by vrby | 17:46 |
| cap10morgan | BSMG: cool, thanks | 17:47 |
| @BugSlasherMcGirk | cap, what's your email addy? | 17:47 |
| @khenn | I dunno, documentation for a design review sounds like a good time | 17:48 |
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| +BugSlasherMurray | in what workflow is CleanFileCache executed? | 17:49 |
| @BugSlasherMcGirk | cap10morgan, what is your email addy? | 17:49 |
| cap10morgan | cap10morgan@gmail.com | 17:49 |
| @vayde | preaction, you the calendar man, with the Calendar Events Disappearing bug, the disappearing events are being wholly purged from the db. That ring any bells? | 17:51 |
| @preaction | good lord that should probably not be happening | 17:51 |
| @preaction | that's with the recurring events, no/ | 17:51 |
| +perlDreamer | --bug | 17:52 |
| @vayde | yeah, if a recurring event happens across a span where there's already an event, | 17:52 |
| @vayde | the previous event gets completely purged | 17:52 |
| @vayde | not just trashed... gone | 17:52 |
| +perlDreamer | bug status: 35 open WebGUI bugs, 2 7.4 bugs, 6 WRE bugs | 17:53 |
| @preaction | vayde: oh god. okay. it should only be purging events with the same recurId. however i think what's happening is that the first time, the recurId is NULL, and it's still doing the purge (when it shouldn't) | 17:54 |
| @BugSlasherMcGirk | good stats to have pdd | 17:54 |
| @BugSlasherMcGirk | or pd | 17:54 |
| @preaction | vayde: that should get you started though | 17:54 |
| +perlDreamer | 13 bugs closed for 7.3.16 so far. | 17:55 |
| @vayde | preaction: thanks man. I figured you might know the ballpark | 17:55 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction is the Calendar Man. | 17:55 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | bugslashermcgirk: my $rssCache = WebGUI::Cache::FileCache->new($self->session, undef, 'RSS'); would give me the RSS cache object right? | 17:55 |
| +perlDreamer | It's similar to the Piano man, but Billy Joel already has that title. | 17:55 |
| @vayde | and the date man, but I mean that in an entirely hetero way | 17:55 |
| @BugSlasherMcGirk | yup | 17:57 |
| @BugSlasherMcGirk | bsm: yup | 17:57 |
| +perlDreamer | yung forgot to close a bug that he committed yesterday. | 17:59 |
| +perlDreamer | so make that 34/2/6 | 17:59 |
| @vayde | one more down. | 17:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd like to tackle the bobbob's wiki title bug. Could someone please make me a package of PB's wiki? | 18:01 |
| @BugSlasherMcGirk | i'm doing it | 18:01 |
| @BugSlasherMcGirk | it says so right in the bug | 18:01 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, I need to refresh more often. | 18:01 |
| @vayde | Yeah, we've been meaning to say something to you... | 18:02 |
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| +BugSlasherMurray | ok | 18:09 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | the rss bug is fixed | 18:09 |
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| +BugSlasherMurray | gotta go now though | 18:09 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | i'll have to electron microscope in some cellar from 18.00 till 22.00 | 18:10 |
| @BugSlasherMcGirk | noooooooooooo!!!!! | 18:10 |
| @BugSlasherMcGirk | we need you | 18:10 |
| +BugSlasherMurray | I already fixed 7 bugs or so | 18:10 |
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| @BugSlasherMcGirk | and we need you to fix 34 more | 18:10 |
| * vayde uses the jedi mind trick "You don't have to go" | 18:10 | |
| +BugSlasherMurray | I've done my share =) | 18:10 |
| @BugSlasherMcGirk | according to pd | 18:10 |
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| * FeebleMindedMart says I don't have to go | 18:11 | |
| * vayde waves his hand "You want to stay and fix more bugs" | 18:11 | |
| +FeebleMindedMart | Yeah | 18:11 |
| +FeebleMindedMart | You want to stay and fix more bugs | 18:11 |
| +FeebleMindedMart | bye | 18:13 |
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| @vayde | never hand the errorHandler an array. The results are, interesting. | 18:22 |
| @preaction | new SVN docs: https://www.plainblack.com/webguidev/docs/svn <- questions, comments? | 18:24 |
| @vayde | nicely done | 18:26 |
| --- Log closed Wed May 02 18:29:07 2007 | ||
| --- Log opened Fri May 04 06:37:18 2007 | ||
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| xdanger | rizen: Are you busy? can I ask a quick question? | 06:38 |
| xdanger | why $var->{"previous.url"} = $self->getUrl("func=previousThread") if (defined $previous); why not $var->{"previous.url"} = $previous->getUrl() if (defined $previous); in Thread.pm? | 06:40 |
| xdanger | at some point someone removed "my $previous = $self->getPreviousThread;" in favor of the $self->getUrl("func=previousThread"), but now that It's back, why use that "ugly" and not the direct url to the next/prev Thread... | 06:43 |
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| xdanger | this: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/diff/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post/Thread.pm?rev1=1330;rev2=1331 is reversed by this: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/diff/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post/Thread.pm?rev1=4031;rev2=4032 | 06:49 |
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| wgGuest13 | Hi! | 07:00 |
| wgGuest13 | Anyone there? I can't find the lang packs... | 07:01 |
| xdanger | you mean: http://i18n.webgui.org/ | 07:05 |
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| wgGuest13 | Thanks A LOT, xdanger! I was about to abandon WebGUI. It's great software but it costed a LOT to make it work under Debian and there is NO LINK from the main site to this one you have just given me... | 07:16 |
| wgGuest13 | Thanks again. | 07:16 |
| wgGuest13 | Sorry, but I found that most of the Spanish strings are untranslated, is this possible? | 07:20 |
| xdanger | Maybe not enough userbase to maintain the translation... | 07:21 |
| wgGuest13 | Oops...! | 07:26 |
| wgGuest13 | I have to fill my comparison chart, and since cmsmatrix gives so many "greens" to WebGUI I thought that it had to be the best one! | 07:28 |
| wgGuest13 | But -1 for the terrible installation process... and definitely can't think of any big CMS that doesn't have ONE Spanish translator! | 07:29 |
| wgGuest13 | Of course, as you say... | 07:29 |
| wgGuest13 | maybe not enough userbase. | 07:29 |
| wgGuest13 | Thanks again! | 07:30 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning. | 15:44 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hi | 16:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm trying to figure out how to do the following | 16:34 |
| SDuensin | Hi MrHairgrease | 16:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | I want to enable exportHtml in the SQLForm such that the complete table of records will be exported, but also make that clickable to the views of each record. These should of course get their own html file | 16:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm having trouble finding a hook to do that | 16:36 |
| @rizen | it can't be done | 16:36 |
| @rizen | the export function is a 1:1 asset per page | 16:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | if i could acces the path/file where the main page is being written | 16:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | i think i can | 16:37 |
| @rizen | but you can't | 16:37 |
| @rizen | at least not the way it's written right now | 16:37 |
| @rizen | that's what i'm saying | 16:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm | 16:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 16:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | too bad | 16:38 |
| @rizen | not saying you couldn't change the exports system to support that | 16:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | i only need the pathWithFilename var to be passed to exportHtml_view | 16:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | from there on I can come up with my own paths | 16:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | use id->generate to make them unique | 16:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | or just take the redcordIds | 16:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | Is there a way to get the filename/path from an opened file handle? | 16:45 |
| @rizen | maybe, but i don't know it if there is | 16:45 |
| @rizen | i'd think there's got to be a way though | 16:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | the Filehandle docs don't mention it | 16:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | crap | 16:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | it is not possible | 16:57 |
| @rizen | crythias, how is it that you are crythias and SuckyMcSuckerton? | 17:12 |
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| +Radix_ | how is he both normal and sucky at the same time you mean? ;) | 17:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's easy | 17:20 |
| @rizen | yup | 17:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | but how are both voiced? | 17:20 |
| @rizen | that too | 17:20 |
| +Radix_ | accounts linked | 17:21 |
| +Radix_ | I do the same with my home and work account | 17:21 |
| +Radix_ | I just have the second alias linked to the first name so I get voice on both | 17:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | sound way to difficult for friday | 17:22 |
| +Radix_ | I think preaction told me the command to do it, but do it once and voila | 17:22 |
| +Radix_ | just need to have the two nicks registered that's all | 17:23 |
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| @vayde | I've been dying to ask: How do you guys switch your names? | 17:59 |
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| +wellLikeThis | use /nick newNick | 17:59 |
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| @vayde | cool | 18:00 |
| @vayde | thanks | 18:00 |
| * vayde promises to use his new powers only for good | 18:00 | |
| pjesi | :) | 18:03 |
| pjesi | why should one want to change his nick? | 18:05 |
| ckotil | to hide. | 18:08 |
| pjesi | true | 18:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | rizen | 18:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | is there a reason WebGUI.pm is still at version 7.3.16 in svn | 18:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | and there isn't a 7.3.17 section in the changelog yet? | 18:11 |
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| xdanger | rizen: did you notice my message earlier? | 20:00 |
| @preaction | didn't perlDreamer say he was building a javascript app for the TinyMCE that will allow for WYSIWYG template editing? or was that just an idea? | 20:13 |
| @preaction | something about grabbing the available template variables from the Help files | 20:17 |
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| +crythias | hee | 22:09 |
| +crythias | soory | 22:09 |
| +crythias | sorry, even, but yeah, home/work | 22:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | Hail, hail! The gang's all here. | 23:34 |
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| cap10morgan | ok, i've got that working. it was a pretty simple change to the post asset | 00:56 |
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| cap10morgan | i'll post it as a contribution | 00:57 |
| cap10morgan | if you make a change you'd like included in the next possible release, is it better to post it as a contribution or an RFE w/ an attachment? | 00:57 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning. | 16:08 |
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| AMH_bob | Good morning | 16:14 |
| SDuensin | Afternoon. :-) | 16:15 |
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| AMH_bob | ;) | 16:16 |
| sneex | Grrrr ;-) | 16:16 |
| sneex | hello | 16:16 |
| AMH_bob | Hi | 16:17 |
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| sneex | I guess I can't do what I want it to do lol | 16:18 |
| sneex | I have 500 or so sites I need to migrate from OpenCMS and I would like to use WebGUI -- the WebGUI faq doesn't say whether or not if that many sites would be supported within a single installation. Anybody use WebGUI with that many before? | 16:20 |
| SDuensin | It can do it. Question is, can your server? | 16:21 |
| sneex | my server is hosting Tomcat with 500 sites now -- I just cant stand java \= | 16:22 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 16:22 |
| sneex | would I need a separate config for each site ? | 16:22 |
| SDuensin | Config files, yes. But only one WebGUI install. | 16:23 |
| sneex | ok | 16:23 |
| sneex | i just dont want 500 mod_perl processes going -- otherwise I would stick with java =( | 16:24 |
| SDuensin | Nope. They all run from one set of servers. | 16:25 |
| sneex | thanks, Imma go play with it some -- I might be back =) | 16:26 |
| pjesi | migrate 500 sites, that might take some time :) | 16:27 |
| sneex | anything has got to be better than what Im doing now lol | 16:27 |
| * SDuensin sees a lot of work in sneex's future. | 16:31 | |
| AMH_bob | what's the record on running multiple sites on one server? And who is the holder? | 16:32 |
| sneex | the thing is - the content isn't managed by the cms -- it just makes it available for some minor edits -- most of the issue is access and viewing of multimedia, etc. | 16:33 |
| sneex | I would almost just use PHP and Dokuwiki \= almost | 16:34 |
| +Radix_ | I'd say plainblack probably has the most multiple sites | 16:40 |
| +Radix_ | I've heard their demo server has quite a few going at once | 16:40 |
| SDuensin | Yea. Try it out. Create 500 demos. :-) | 16:44 |
| pjesi | lol | 16:45 |
| pjesi | it is more about using them I think | 16:46 |
| sneex | i really am more interested in a managed web interface to access/view the multimedia files we host for clients, etc. Less to a degree about making a site "editable" by clients. | 16:47 |
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| pjesi | is 7.3.16 working smoothly? | 17:53 |
| @vayde | I haven't heard anything otherwise. | 17:54 |
| @vayde | Are you having trouble? | 17:54 |
| pjesi | no I am just preparing an upgrade :) | 17:55 |
| pjesi | from 7.3.12 | 17:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: are you here? | 18:19 |
| @preaction | yes | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Have you read the new Storage code for case insensitive filesystems? | 18:20 |
| @preaction | nope | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | There's something about it I don't get. | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | It takes a GUID, turns it into hex, and then stores it in a lookup table in the db. | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't get why you can't just regenerate the hex each time | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | it would save a db lookup | 18:21 |
| @preaction | what about legacy storage locations based on GUID? | 18:22 |
| +perlDreamer | any ideas? | 18:22 |
| +perlDreamer | they're already messed up. | 18:23 |
| @preaction | was concluded they couldn't be fixed because of the overlap possibility, can't translate them | 18:23 |
| @preaction | so what storage locations are using GUIDs and what ones are using Hex? | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | it depends on the config settings now | 18:24 |
| @preaction | no, the answer to my question is the database table | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I guess that does make sense. | 18:25 |
| @preaction | technically it doesn't have to store the hex, but (for now) there has to be some way to keep track of old, GUID storage folders, and new hex storage folders | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you think that eventually all file locations will start using the hex? | 18:26 |
| @preaction | but for each GUID there can only be one hex folder, no? so if that hex folder doesn't exist when ->get, try to get the GUID folder, no? | 18:26 |
| @preaction | hum. anyway | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I would have thought that it would auto detect the OS, do a case check, then translate all GUIDs to hex as appropriate. | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | But that would totally break packages across platforms. | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | It may break them anyway... | 18:28 |
| @preaction | couldn't auto-detect, the consensus was there is no reliable way to do it | 18:28 |
| @preaction | one windows is "WinNT", one is "Win32" one is "MSWin32" etc... | 18:29 |
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| +Radix-wrk | mornin' | 04:14 |
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| pjesi | morning | 11:47 |
| pjesi | is the update script needed to move from 7.3.12 to .16? | 12:07 |
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| AMH_bob | http://www.plainblack.com/upgrading_webgui is a good starting point... | 15:07 |
| AMH_bob | @pjesi: http://www.plainblack.com/upgrading_webgui | 15:07 |
| pjesi | AMH_bob: yes but since I currently do not have access to root it is impossible to run the script | 15:11 |
| AMH_bob | auwie, that changes things... I wonder if upgrading is advisable... | 15:12 |
| pjesi | perhaps not | 15:13 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning. | 16:08 |
| pjesi | afternoon | 16:19 |
| SDuensin | Hi pjesi | 16:20 |
| pjesi | hi | 16:20 |
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| pjesi | SDuensin: how is your desktop idea going? | 16:54 |
| SDuensin | Very well, thanks! | 16:55 |
| pjesi | great news! | 16:55 |
| SDuensin | I'm trying to get things packaged up and documented to push a new build out. | 16:55 |
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| pjesi | SDuensin: cool, are you going to publish it on pb.com? | 17:00 |
| SDuensin | Well, the desktop I've been working on isn't appropriate for wG. However, I've been reading and thinking about one that would be. Not had time to write any code for it though. | 17:01 |
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| @preaction | is the "Copy" clipboard action supposed to do a deep copy of an asset and all its children? or just the asset itself? | 19:22 |
| pjesi | I think it is supposed to be a deep copy but it doesnt always do that | 19:30 |
| @preaction | i think "Cut" does a deep copy, but "Copy" doesn't for some reason | 19:32 |
| pjesi | true | 19:34 |
| pjesi | I don't remeber how I went around it though | 19:34 |
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| * PedersenMJ waves. | 04:46 | |
| +Radix-wrk | Morning PedersenMJ | 04:52 |
| PedersenMJ | how goes it? | 04:53 |
| +Radix-wrk | not too bad | 04:53 |
| +Radix-wrk | yourself? :) | 04:53 |
| PedersenMJ | doing okay. busy as a one armed paper hanger in a windstorm, though. | 04:54 |
| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. I like the new RFE changes - difficulty and karma so far added to all RFE's | 04:56 |
| +Radix-wrk | this sucks tho: | 04:57 |
| +Radix-wrk | Difficulty: 30 | 04:57 |
| +Radix-wrk | Karma So Far: 3742 | 04:57 |
| +Radix-wrk | Karma Rank: 124.733330 | 04:57 |
| * PedersenMJ has to admit to not even visiting pb in a while. Been frustrating with how much I've got to get done at work and at home. | 04:59 | |
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| SDuensin | Good morning! | 15:50 |
| AMH_bob | Howdy! | 16:09 |
| SDuensin | Hey AMH_bob | 16:09 |
| AMH_bob | How are things? | 16:10 |
| SDuensin | So far, so good. Just getting started though. | 16:11 |
| AMH_bob | Haha, and I'm almost on my last coffee break! And the nightshifts are running really smooth (Knock on wood). | 16:12 |
| SDuensin | :-P | 16:15 |
| @rizen | radix is a complainer | 16:52 |
| SDuensin | Hey rizen | 16:56 |
| @rizen | how goes it sd | 16:56 |
| SDuensin | Pretty good. You? | 16:57 |
| @rizen | pretty good, just very busy | 16:59 |
| SDuensin | I hear ya. Working on a new release of ZKDesktop here. Lots of loose ends to tie up. | 16:59 |
| @rizen | good luck with that...release time can be quite hecktic | 17:01 |
| @rizen | got a new release of webgui to put out today too | 17:01 |
| SDuensin | Sweet. | 17:04 |
| * SDuensin needs to update to 7.3.16 yet! | 17:04 | |
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| @rizen | howdy perlmonkey2 | 17:40 |
| @rizen | how's the new survey coming? | 17:41 |
| perlmonkey2 | slow :( June 1st I'll either have plenty of time to work on it as things wrap up, or I'll have all my time to work on it if I don't wrap things up | 17:44 |
| perlmonkey2 | on my job. | 17:44 |
| @rizen | yikes | 17:46 |
| perlmonkey2 | Not that bad in reality, but I'm working night and day to get this project wrapped up. Actually if this week goes well, *my* part of the project will be mostly wrapped up and I can start doing something more fun (like your survey) | 17:47 |
| @rizen | *our* survey | 17:49 |
| @rizen | we're a community | 17:49 |
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| @rizen | Radix_ you around? | 18:34 |
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| rjacobsen | i am trying to use the ^Include("/this/file.html"); macro and for some reason i keep getting "INCLUDED FILE DOES NOT EXIST"....... is there a trick to this macro? | 23:20 |
| @rizen | are you using the full path to the file? | 23:21 |
| @rizen | and does your web server have the rights to read the file? | 23:21 |
| rjacobsen | we placed the file in the /images folder in the webgui installation where we call images from and such | 23:21 |
| rjacobsen | so the actuall src directory is /images/docs/2.html | 23:22 |
| rjacobsen | and for some reason it is not seeing the file | 23:22 |
| @rizen | not relative to your web root | 23:25 |
| @rizen | relative to your server root | 23:25 |
| rjacobsen | ok so how do i figure the directory if i have it in the images folder? | 23:26 |
| @rizen | like /data/domains/www.example.com/public/images/some/path/to/file.html | 23:26 |
| @rizen | is this a real folder or a webgui folder? | 23:26 |
| @rizen | real folder being a folder on the server filesystem | 23:26 |
| rjacobsen | it is the main images folder of webgui that we use for web pages | 23:27 |
| @rizen | let me try this again...do you access the folder through the webgui asset manager, or through an FTP account? | 23:27 |
| rjacobsen | thru ftp sorry | 23:28 |
| rjacobsen | it is web based | 23:28 |
| @rizen | then you should be able to see the full path when you log in through ftp | 23:28 |
| @rizen | if you can't, then ask your hosting provider | 23:28 |
| rjacobsen | ok here is our layout..... we have a main folder we use for all our hosted websites call common.... the images folder is inside this folder.... /data/domains/common/images/docs/2.html is the actual directory all the way to root...... | 23:35 |
| rjacobsen | i dont think there is any way to access this file from a browser | 23:35 |
| @rizen | you don't need to access it from a browser | 23:36 |
| @rizen | that's what Include is for | 23:36 |
| rjacobsen | right | 23:36 |
| @rizen | put in the full path ^Include(/data/domains/common/images/docs/2.html); | 23:36 |
| rjacobsen | so how do i make this work? | 23:36 |
| rjacobsen | i tried that | 23:36 |
| rjacobsen | and it still comes up with the INCLUDED FILE DOES NOT EXIST | 23:37 |
| @rizen | if that path is correct, and the permissions are set such that the web server can read the file and folders that lead up to it, then it will work | 23:37 |
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| +Radix_ | rizen: wassup? | 01:53 |
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| PedersenMJ | Good evening. | 05:13 |
| +Radix-wrk | yo | 05:17 |
| PedersenMJ | How's it going? | 05:19 |
| +Radix-wrk | same as yesterday :) | 05:20 |
| * PedersenMJ is somewhat better, as I just got the care package from pb today :) | 05:21 | |
| +Radix-wrk | Ahh k.. cool | 05:21 |
| +Radix-wrk | mine will prolly take a while to get here I suspect ;) | 05:22 |
| PedersenMJ | Nah, I'm sure it's already on your back porch, awaiting you ;) | 05:23 |
| +Radix-wrk | overseas delivery tho remember :) | 05:23 |
| PedersenMJ | hence the ;) | 05:25 |
| PedersenMJ | Honestly, I think you'll be lucky to get it within a week or two. | 05:25 |
| PedersenMJ | Gotta say, though, that JT came through on the Content Manager's Guide nicely. Looks good. | 05:25 |
| @preaction | content manager's guide was kristie | 05:26 |
| @preaction | (bopbop on IRC) | 05:26 |
| +Radix-wrk | Oh? you got a copy of that in your schwag bag? | 05:26 |
| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. I just ordered a copy for the office - will prolly get two copies now if that's the case :) | 05:27 |
| PedersenMJ | Actually, had JT take money out of winnings to order it. | 05:27 |
| +Radix-wrk | Ahh k.. cool | 05:28 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning! | 16:18 |
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| mawe | hi all. is there an easy way to remove parts of webgui from the installation so that they don't show up anywhere? i won't ever need the product stuff for example and would like to get rid of it, even in the admin interface. | 16:40 |
| SDuensin | Hi mawe. I don't know the answer to that one. Hang out for about an hour and more people will be here. | 16:41 |
| mawe | ok, thanks! | 16:41 |
| SDuensin | Anytime. :-) | 16:42 |
| mawe | ah... i see it's hardcoded in AdminConsole.pm. hm.... | 16:43 |
| xdanger | mawe: you can adjust the UI level, and remove assets in the config file... | 16:44 |
| mawe | yes, that's for the "normal" users. but in the admin section all those things still show up. | 16:45 |
| SDuensin | "Normal users"? You mean morons? | 16:48 |
| mawe | ... no, normal as in "not admin" | 16:50 |
| SDuensin | :-) | 16:51 |
| +Radix_ | mawe: you can remove assets in your webgui config file | 17:01 |
| mawe | Radix_: yes, i know. but that doesn't affect the admin menu | 17:01 |
| mawe | i think i found a solution. i edit the admin menu template and filter out all entries i don't want | 17:01 |
| +Radix_ | yeah, that'd work | 17:01 |
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| perlmonkey2 | If anyone ever needs help with for Java to speak RPC::XML to Perl, just let me know. | 17:21 |
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| cap10morgan | It looks like MySQL 5.0.41 has a bug that affects WebGUI pretty badly | 03:36 |
| cap10morgan | from my initial testing, it seems to not honor the binary flag on varchar fields | 03:36 |
| cap10morgan | which obviously makes assetId's get screwed up | 03:36 |
| cap10morgan | reverting to 5.0.37 fixed it | 03:37 |
| cap10morgan | w/ no (apparent) data loss | 03:37 |
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| +Radix-wrk | mornin' | 04:54 |
| @rizen | howdy | 05:00 |
| SDuensin | Hi gang. | 05:00 |
| +Radix-wrk | rizen: you asked for me the other day? | 05:06 |
| @rizen | yeah, i wanted to know if you'd do some jail time for me | 05:07 |
| @rizen | judge said he'd let me off if i could find some sucker...er good person to take the time for me | 05:07 |
| +Radix-wrk | Ahh.. surprised you're not keen on it in the hope you could spend time with Paris Hilton. | 05:08 |
| @rizen | i would except that in the US men and women aren't jailed together | 05:08 |
| @rizen | actually | 05:08 |
| @rizen | i was asking you why you were complaining | 05:08 |
| @rizen | about the new features on the RFE list | 05:08 |
| +Radix-wrk | I wasn't - I think the new RFE stuff is great :) | 05:09 |
| +Radix-wrk | I was just whinging about how high that particular RFE was because I wanted it ;) | 05:09 |
| +Radix-wrk | Difficulty of 30 | 05:10 |
| @rizen | some things take more time | 05:10 |
| @rizen | if it's worth it | 05:10 |
| @rizen | and people want it | 05:10 |
| @rizen | it will still get enough karma | 05:10 |
| @rizen | there are some things that have a difficulty of 100 or more | 05:10 |
| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. nice idea, not sure if it will work that way in practice tho | 05:11 |
| +Radix-wrk | What I suspect is that most ppl don't read through the pages and pages of RFE's and simply put their own separately | 05:11 |
| @rizen | well at some point we'll run out of low level stuff to do | 05:11 |
| @rizen | that's true | 05:12 |
| @rizen | however, there's nothing i can do about people being too lazy | 05:12 |
| @rizen | unless you have some remedy for that | 05:12 |
| +Radix-wrk | I don't know any way to improve that either really | 05:12 |
| @rizen | oh, and i'm about to add a feature that may help to some extent | 05:12 |
| @rizen | i'll be listing the top 100 karma whores | 05:13 |
| +Radix-wrk | lol | 05:13 |
| @rizen | then you can contact those people and ask them to add their karma to your event | 05:13 |
| @rizen | sorry, rfe, not event | 05:13 |
| +Radix-wrk | I'll probably be one of them atm actually ;) | 05:13 |
| +Radix-wrk | thanks to my community contest entries :) | 05:13 |
| @rizen | i think the top person has something like 14k karma | 05:13 |
| @rizen | but yeah, you should be in the top 100 for sure | 05:14 |
| +Radix-wrk | I have 8k atm, and two entries in the style contest | 05:14 |
| +Radix-wrk | So worse case scenario I get 2nd and 3rd and should get another 7.5k karma :) | 05:15 |
| @rizen | see...you have all the karma you need then to bump stuff to the top | 05:15 |
| +Radix-wrk | I know.. but I've already poured over 3k karma in that one and it's only up to 124 | 05:16 |
| @rizen | it's all about how bad you want it | 05:17 |
| @rizen | i take it back | 05:19 |
| @rizen | the highest has 21k | 05:19 |
| @rizen | martin kamerbeek | 05:19 |
| @rizen | colin kuskie is next with 19k | 05:19 |
| +Radix-wrk | Ahh.. good to see :) | 05:19 |
| +Radix-wrk | How's the other WebGUI books coming along btw? | 05:21 |
| +Radix-wrk | I just ordered a copy of the Content Managers Guide for the office here, but keen on the other two when they're out too :) | 05:21 |
| @rizen | slow | 05:21 |
| @rizen | the admins guide is going the slowest | 05:21 |
| @rizen | cuz it has prereqs | 05:21 |
| @rizen | i have to get the new wre built | 05:21 |
| @rizen | in order to write the book | 05:21 |
| +Radix-wrk | Ahh k | 05:22 |
| @rizen | the design one is more than half finished | 05:22 |
| @rizen | so that one will be out next | 05:22 |
| @rizen | probably in june | 05:22 |
| +Radix-wrk | Sweet | 05:22 |
| @rizen | the admins guide is more than 1/3 done | 05:22 |
| @rizen | but several of the biggest chapters deal with the wre | 05:22 |
| @rizen | and i don't want to document the old wre | 05:22 |
| @rizen | or rather, i don't want to document both the old and the new | 05:23 |
| +Radix-wrk | The admins guide - will that cover using the webgui api at all? | 05:23 |
| @rizen | so that's why i have to get the new one done | 05:23 |
| @rizen | no | 05:23 |
| @rizen | admins is all about sys admin stuff | 05:23 |
| @rizen | which is mostly performance, security, and troubleshooting | 05:23 |
| +Radix-wrk | okey, so apache/mysql/wre stuff | 05:23 |
| @rizen | and webgui config stuff | 05:23 |
| +Radix-wrk | fair enough | 05:24 |
| @rizen | i've been debating whether we should write a dev book | 05:24 |
| +Radix-wrk | and designers guide is more template manipulation stuff? | 05:24 |
| @rizen | yup, design guide is all about templates, css, html, and javascript | 05:24 |
| @rizen | and mostly templates and css | 05:24 |
| +Radix-wrk | cool | 05:25 |
| +Radix-wrk | Well I'd be interested in a dev book, but yeah, don't know how many others will | 05:25 |
| @rizen | we already publish a lot of dev stuff on the site | 05:26 |
| @rizen | though i realize it's not very well organized | 05:26 |
| +Radix-wrk | I've actually got my sabbatical planned around WebGUI - and hope to throw myself in the deep end and spend some time learning the API and how to program in perl | 05:27 |
| +Radix-wrk | Heading off to Europe in August and going to spend a couple of weeks with Oqapi | 05:27 |
| @rizen | the other thing is, that i'm not very fond of selling stuff to developers...i'd rather give it to them for free | 05:28 |
| @rizen | but if we put out a book | 05:28 |
| @rizen | we need to charge for it | 05:28 |
| @rizen | it's one of those crazy cycles | 05:28 |
| @rizen | your sabbatical sounds great | 05:28 |
| @rizen | the guys at Oqapi are awesome | 05:28 |
| +Radix-wrk | Yeah, flight is booked, accomodation organised - and of course I get to spend a bit of time in Europe after that travelling around, so will be a launchpad for that | 05:29 |
| +Radix-wrk | I'm pretty excited about the trip | 05:30 |
| xdanger | rizen: would you have some time for a dev question? | 05:45 |
| @rizen | phone | 05:45 |
| xdanger | I have a custom asset that has a checkList in definitions %properties hash... and I would like to attach a "Manage" link to it (like on templates) and can't find a way to hook it... | 05:47 |
| @rizen | ok, i'm off the phone | 05:57 |
| @rizen | radix: http://www.plainblack.com/wg/karma | 05:58 |
| @rizen | xdanger, that's easy | 05:58 |
| @rizen | do you know how to use the $session->icon api? | 05:58 |
| @rizen | if you do | 05:58 |
| @rizen | then you just pass your manage icon | 05:58 |
| @rizen | into the subtext parameter | 05:58 |
| @rizen | of your form field | 05:59 |
| xdanger | ok, had missed the subtext param... | 05:59 |
| xdanger | I have a few hundred workflows running whit the status "undefined" what does that mean? | 06:00 |
| @rizen | where did you see that "status" ? | 06:01 |
| xdanger | perl spectre.pl --status | 06:02 |
| xdanger | it has last state | 06:02 |
| xdanger | and in the "show running workflows" section | 06:03 |
| @rizen | hmm that's not good | 06:03 |
| @rizen | that most likely means that those workflows are crashing when they try to execuute | 06:03 |
| @rizen | plus, you should never have a few hundred workflows | 06:03 |
| @rizen | even on our busiest servers, that have almost 100 sites | 06:03 |
| @rizen | we never have more than 50 or so workflows waiting around to be executed | 06:04 |
| xdanger | Hmm.. it has one for every 5min for the last month or more... | 06:04 |
| xdanger | strange that it doesn't hapen on other sites on the same server | 06:05 |
| @rizen | it's likely some sort of config issue then | 06:05 |
| @rizen | with spectre running | 06:05 |
| @rizen | what happens when you do | 06:05 |
| @rizen | perl spectre.pl --test | 06:05 |
| xdanger | testing.... tests completed. | 06:06 |
| xdanger | I have this in webgui.log: 2007/05/11 05:55:56 - ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1013] - WORKFLOW: Something bad happened on the return of IsDtpNfe7cvKvjJy9WRwNQ. | 06:06 |
| @rizen | there you go then | 06:06 |
| @rizen | increase your log level | 06:06 |
| @rizen | to INFO | 06:06 |
| @rizen | and it will likely tell you what happenedd | 06:06 |
| xdanger | ctre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1013] - ADMIN: Couldn't fetch Spectre configuration data for webgui... | 06:08 |
| xdanger | ok, so something wrong with the config =) | 06:08 |
| @rizen | what version of webgui are you running? | 06:08 |
| xdanger | just upgraded to latest | 06:09 |
| @rizen | and you restarted both spectre and modperl after the upgrade was complete? | 06:09 |
| xdanger | many times =) | 06:09 |
| @rizen | ok then, don't know what to tell you | 06:09 |
| xdanger | and this was happening before I belive... | 06:09 |
| @rizen | you'll have to troubleshoot why it can't read the config data | 06:10 |
| @rizen | from your server, you could try: | 06:10 |
| xdanger | could it be some parameter missing? | 06:10 |
| @rizen | curl http://www.site.com?op=spectreGetSiteData | 06:10 |
| @rizen | and see if it returns a valid JSON document | 06:11 |
| xdanger | html | 06:13 |
| @rizen | then you need to discover why that's happening | 06:13 |
| @rizen | and fix it | 06:13 |
| @rizen | sorry i can't be more specific | 06:13 |
| xdanger | main::[[undef]] - Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::Spectre::www_spectreGetSiteData. Root cause: Can't call method "get" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Spectre.pm line 53. | 06:16 |
| @rizen | two problems there | 06:25 |
| @rizen | 1) you have a corrupt workflow in your WorkflowInstance table | 06:25 |
| @rizen | 2) there is a bug in WebGUI::Operation::Spectre, in that it's not handling your corrupt data more gracefully | 06:26 |
| xdanger | My fault... | 06:33 |
| xdanger | I had now added the right Workflow that I was refering to =) | 06:34 |
| xdanger | s/now/not/ | 06:36 |
| xdanger | Is there a workflow waiting timeout? for commitWithApproval | 06:42 |
| xdanger | How long it waits for approval? does it clean up at some point? | 06:43 |
| @rizen | it waits forever | 06:44 |
| @rizen | until someone either approves or denies it | 06:44 |
| xdanger | My user has Already cluttered her inbox and has approved newer autotags.. | 06:45 |
| xdanger | There's not a function tu approve pending versions in admin console? | 06:46 |
| @rizen | no..only approvers can approve them | 06:47 |
| @rizen | and they get them in their inbox | 06:47 |
| @rizen | and pending stuff is always at the top of the inbox | 06:47 |
| xdanger | I just don't like that the end user gets a mail about every approval... We have a cs that users can edit, and some of them manage to edit multiple times before admin has time to approve... | 06:48 |
| xdanger | Suspended Workflows 57 | 06:48 |
| xdanger | all same site waiting... | 06:49 |
| @rizen | xd, i'm not an rfe list, if you want something to work differently, submit it to the rfe list not to me | 06:50 |
| xdanger | =) | 06:50 |
| xdanger | I'm just thinking aloud... | 06:50 |
| @rizen | in any case...i'm done for th enight...ttyl | 06:51 |
| xdanger | I think I'm done for the night, and the mornign... | 06:53 |
| xdanger | I hate upgrade nights =) | 06:53 |
| xdanger | the always strech to the morning | 06:53 |
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| nuba | heh ain't that soo true! | 08:21 |
| nuba | famous last words: "just a sec, boss, this upgrade will be a snap!.." | 08:22 |
| nuba | and then "whoops!" | 08:23 |
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| Teonnyn^ | Heya | 11:51 |
| Teonnyn^ | Is anyone awake? | 11:54 |
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| AMH_bob | Hello | 14:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | hi | 14:45 |
| AMH_bob | I jumped in too soon... A "Teonnyn" was here earlier, looking for help. Unfortunatly he/she left before I responded. | 14:51 |
| AMH_bob | But Hi to you too! | 14:51 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning. | 16:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | hi | 16:06 |
| SDuensin | Howdy. | 16:08 |
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| SDuensin | Hey rizen - I shipped a demo of the ZK Desktop that doesn't take a PHD in Eclipse to install if you still want to play with it. http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=694810 | 18:31 |
| @rizen | i hate you want want you to die | 18:31 |
| SDuensin | Gee, is that a way to talk to your #1 wG fan? | 18:32 |
| SDuensin | :-P | 18:32 |
| @rizen | oh, did i say that outloud | 18:32 |
| @rizen | =) | 18:32 |
| @rizen | i'll take a look at some point. unfortunately i'm pretty busy right now | 18:33 |
| @rizen | thanks for letting me know | 18:33 |
| SDuensin | I hear that. "Busy" is why I don't have a prototype desktop done in YUI yet. :-) | 18:33 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning. | 16:14 |
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| ckotil | good morning | 16:22 |
| SDuensin | Hello | 16:26 |
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| +snapcount | I've found a bug and the cause but I'm not sure what the best fix is... anyone care to discuss? | 17:53 |
| SDuensin | Best fix is the one that makes it work that I don't have to write. :-P | 17:53 |
| +snapcount | hehe there he is | 17:53 |
| +snapcount | I miss the witty responses | 17:53 |
| Hinrik | and the best way to get the fix is to just ask, not ask to ask :P | 17:54 |
| SDuensin | Sorry. Been busy lately. :-) | 17:54 |
| +crythias | delete the code that causes the bug | 17:54 |
| +crythias | :) | 17:54 |
| +snapcount | hehe hey crythias | 17:54 |
| +snapcount | well I'll talk outloud and maybe I'll figure out a good way on my own | 17:55 |
| +snapcount | any hackers listening feel free to chime in | 17:55 |
| +snapcount | if you grant all privileges to a user on a database then use the sql form with a dblink on that db it says the proper permissions are not there | 17:56 |
| +snapcount | the reason is that the _databaseLinkHasPrivileges sub is pushing a big ass string onto the @privilges array | 17:57 |
| +snapcount | $VAR1 = [ | 17:57 |
| +snapcount | 'GRANT USAGE ON *.* TO \'ipLookup\'@\'localhost\' IDENTIFIED BY PASSWORD \'*DBE711C67C780542D8C70A6639FA2A5DB1D352DF\'', | 17:57 |
| +snapcount | 'GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON `ipaddressassignments`.* TO \'ipLookup\'@\'localhost\'' | 17:57 |
| +snapcount | ]; | 17:57 |
| +snapcount | $VAR1 = [ | 17:57 |
| +snapcount | 'GRANT USAGE ON *.* TO \'ipLookup\'@\'localhost\' IDENTIFIED BY PASSWORD \'*DBE711C67C780542D8C70A6639FA2A5DB1D352DF\'', | 17:57 |
| +snapcount | 'GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON `ipaddressassignments`.* TO \'ipLookup\'@\'localhost\'' | 17:58 |
| +snapcount | ]; | 17:58 |
| +snapcount | something like that | 17:58 |
| +snapcount | but then doing this to check permissions | 17:58 |
| +snapcount | return 1 if (isIn('ALL PRIVILEGES', @privileges));, | 17:58 |
| +snapcount | so it seems the intent is to have the element 'ALL PRIVILEGES' in the array | 17:59 |
| +snapcount | and not that string | 17:59 |
| +snapcount | I think I see why this is happening | 18:05 |
| +snapcount | the regex pushing elements on the array is splitting off of the comma character | 18:05 |
| +snapcount | there is no comma in the "show grants for current_user" stmt result | 18:05 |
| +snapcount | GRANT USAGE ON *.* TO 'foo'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY PASSWORD '*F3A2A51A9B0F2BE2468926B4132313728C250DBF' | | 18:06 |
| +snapcount | | GRANT SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE ON `ipaddressassignments`.* TO 'foo'@'localhost' | 18:06 |
| +snapcount | so if you have all privileges the comma is not there, and you get big-ass-string instead of the good stuff | 18:07 |
| +snapcount | this should be easy to fix | 18:07 |
| +snapcount | heh | 18:17 |
| +snapcount | I hate regular expressions | 18:17 |
| +snapcount | perhaps if I were good at them I wouldn't say that | 18:17 |
| @preaction | but if split doesn't find the delimiter, it should return the entire string | 18:24 |
| +crythias | why do I find that sentence vaguely scatlogical? | 18:25 |
| +snapcount | it does | 18:25 |
| +snapcount | the problem is that isIn doesn't match "All Privileges" from big ass string | 18:26 |
| @preaction | might need to use grep? | 18:29 |
| @preaction | should we also just be looking for /ALL/i? I'm not sure how other RDBMS say all privs. i think i added an error message for some debugging purposes, but didn't get much feedback | 18:32 |
| +snapcount | I have a patch but it needs to be tested | 18:38 |
| +snapcount | it seems to work | 18:38 |
| +snapcount | change line 660 to this | 18:38 |
| @preaction | the guy on the buglist might be able to help, he tested my stuff | 18:39 |
| +snapcount | if (m/GRANT (.*) ON/) { | 18:39 |
| +snapcount | I don't know why martin made it so specific | 18:39 |
| +snapcount | he probably had a reason though b/c he's smart | 18:40 |
| +snapcount | ok I'll post the bug with the patch and make it clear that it needs to be tested | 18:40 |
| +snapcount | thanks for the feedback though | 18:41 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning! | 16:23 |
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| @rizen | top of the mornin to ya | 16:52 |
| @preaction | hear hear! | 16:53 |
| SDuensin | rizen ! preaction ! | 16:55 |
| @preaction | alive and kicking? | 16:55 |
| * SDuensin is coffee powered. | 16:56 | |
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| Ecnerifed | hi all | 17:02 |
| Ecnerifed | im thinking of using webgui for our website, i need to know how easy it is to mod? | 17:02 |
| @rizen | oooh we've got a new guy | 17:02 |
| Ecnerifed | lawl | 17:03 |
| @rizen | do you know perl? | 17:03 |
| Ecnerifed | no :( | 17:03 |
| SDuensin | NEW GUY! | 17:03 |
| SDuensin | Ecnerifed - Neither did I. It's not hard. | 17:03 |
| @rizen | then it won't be easy for you to mod, cuz webgui is written in perl | 17:03 |
| @rizen | however, perl is not a hard language to get started with | 17:03 |
| @rizen | as sd just said | 17:04 |
| SDuensin | Perl can either look like an ASCII Factory explosion, or clean and readable. WebGUI is pretty clean. | 17:04 |
| @rizen | here's your first perl scrip | 17:04 |
| @rizen | print "Hello world\n"; | 17:04 |
| Ecnerifed | ok, well, what i need to mod is, i need to make webgui use a custom password hash, instead of the default one, i also need it to use different rows to the username and pass hash | 17:05 |
| @rizen | seriously though, if you want the best perl book on the market | 17:05 |
| @rizen | if you want to learn it | 17:05 |
| @rizen | get this: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/1932111921/ | 17:05 |
| Ecnerifed | how hard would that be? | 17:05 |
| @rizen | once you know perl...pretty easy | 17:06 |
| @rizen | on a scale of 1..10 | 17:06 |
| @rizen | it's probably a 3 | 17:06 |
| Ecnerifed | ok, so i must find a perl dev now :(... | 17:06 |
| Ecnerifed | ok | 17:06 |
| @rizen | what part of the world are you from? | 17:07 |
| SDuensin | Sounds like you're trying to auth against an existing database. | 17:07 |
| SDuensin | Can you get to it via LDAP? | 17:07 |
| Ecnerifed | i have a c++ dev, a java dev, a php dev, delphi, etc, now i need a perl dev | 17:07 |
| * Ecnerifed sighs big time | 17:07 | |
| Ecnerifed | lol | 17:07 |
| @rizen | http://www.pm.org/ | 17:07 |
| @rizen | at that site you can locate your local perl mongers group | 17:08 |
| Ecnerifed | i dont even kno what LDAP is... | 17:08 |
| @rizen | they'll point you to a perl dev | 17:08 |
| @rizen | incidentally, if your existing developers are worth anything | 17:08 |
| @rizen | they should be able to pick up perl quickly | 17:08 |
| Ecnerifed | hmmm | 17:08 |
| Ecnerifed | :S | 17:08 |
| @rizen | especially the c++ and php peeps | 17:08 |
| Ecnerifed | im just the owner of the server, even though i seem to be doing a bit of everything | 17:09 |
| @rizen | cuz perl has a natural bond to c | 17:09 |
| @rizen | and php is a descendant of perl | 17:09 |
| Ecnerifed | ok | 17:10 |
| Ecnerifed | i gotta work on a volenteer basis since its a free server :( | 17:10 |
| +Radix_ | there's no perl mongers group in Perth :( | 17:34 |
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| @rizen | radix...you should start one | 17:35 |
| +Radix_ | lol.. but I don't know perl myself! | 17:35 |
| @rizen | there wasn't one in madison when i got here | 17:35 |
| +Radix_ | well.. not more than the basics anyway :) | 17:36 |
| @rizen | that's actually all you need | 17:36 |
| @rizen | perl mongers is a training program | 17:36 |
| @rizen | whereby all it's members train each other | 17:36 |
| @rizen | you figure out things together | 17:36 |
| @rizen | and pm.org will give you free web space, and a free mailing list | 17:36 |
| @rizen | so you don't need to have any expenses | 17:36 |
| @rizen | and on top of that, o'reilly will give you free books | 17:37 |
| @rizen | to evaluate | 17:37 |
| +Radix_ | perhaps after my sabbatical I can think about it.. at the moment I really don't feel confident enough with perl to do much | 17:37 |
| +Radix_ | that was the idea behind the sabbatical.. to throw myself into perl and webgui and learn more about it all | 17:38 |
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| ckotil | man, i encountered a wierd bug with pending version tags today. | 18:00 |
| ckotil | made a PB support forum post. | 18:00 |
| SDuensin | Any CSS experts in here? I got an IE issue I can't fix. :-( | 18:02 |
| +crythias | not an expert, but willing to take a gander | 18:02 |
| ckotil | im not very good at it, i just try recreating the wheel until the wheel works in all browsers | 18:02 |
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| SDuensin | crythias - with IE (preferably 6), look at http://new.duensing.com ... | 18:13 |
| SDuensin | If you expand the "Rylee-Photos-Age 2" portion of the tree, it makes the menu item text wider than the column... | 18:14 |
| SDuensin | On working browsers, that extra text is truncated at the line separating the columns. In IE, it screws up the layout by forcing the menu column to be rendered below the end of the content column. | 18:15 |
| SDuensin | http://new.duensing.com/duensing-style/duensing.css currently has "overflow-x" in it, which I know doesn't work (it's CSS3), but I figured I'd try since "overflow" didn't work either. | 18:17 |
| +crythias | interesting it works in ie tab | 18:25 |
| +crythias | ack. I don't have IE6. | 18:26 |
| SDuensin | It truncates that wide text? | 18:26 |
| SDuensin | Ah. | 18:26 |
| +crythias | IE7 works. | 18:26 |
| SDuensin | IE7. I didn't try it there. | 18:26 |
| SDuensin | With Windows Genuine Annoyance, I want to still support 6. | 18:27 |
| +crythias | but then again...I'd probably try to not confine to a div | 18:27 |
| SDuensin | How can I do it? | 18:27 |
| * SDuensin is no CSS expert. He "borrowed" that layout. | 18:27 | |
| +crythias | I don't know that I like the expansion layout. | 18:28 |
| +crythias | :( | 18:28 |
| SDuensin | The who? The tree thing? | 18:28 |
| +crythias | It's my fault, though. | 18:28 |
| +crythias | yeah, it's just personal preference because it (to me) appears to be too many clicks to get to the point. | 18:29 |
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| SDuensin | I used the tree because that menu has the possibility of getting HUGE. | 18:45 |
| SDuensin | Guess I need to rethink it. | 18:45 |
| SDuensin | Still, it won't fix my problem if the text is too wide. It still needs clipped. | 18:45 |
| +crythias | if the menu is to be huge, that menu system will cause long load times. | 18:46 |
| SDuensin | That's true. The tree loads all at once. That'd be bad. | 18:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: why does the method of getting the URL inside of a Thread break macros that use $session->asset? | 21:23 |
| @preaction | because $session->asset points to the current asset as instanciated from the URL | 21:24 |
| @preaction | having urla?func=previousThread actually display the thread with url="urlb" means $session->asset points to urla | 21:24 |
| +perlDreamer | hmmm... | 21:25 |
| @preaction | unless the code updates $session->asset (which would be worse) | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | does that mean that we don't need to www_nextThread methods anymore then? | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | like mark them as deprecated? | 21:25 |
| @preaction | let me see if the DoS still has their bug open for the side effect of this bug | 21:26 |
| @preaction | yeah, i'd probably mark them as deprecated | 21:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll patch them | 21:30 |
| pjesi | can someone remind me of the svn repository? | 21:33 |
| @preaction | https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI | 21:36 |
| pjesi | thx | 21:39 |
| pjesi | just lost all my bookmarks to a horrible FF extension | 21:40 |
| pjesi | the ical, does it always subscribe to the entire calendar, or does it matter which view is enabled (month/week/day/event)? | 21:44 |
| @rizen | the view has nothing to do with the feed | 21:45 |
| pjesi | ok good | 21:45 |
| @rizen | if anybody's got some ideas on what i'm doing wrong with the following code, please shout them out. | 21:49 |
| @rizen | my $var = 1; | 21:49 |
| @rizen | my $handler = &somesub; | 21:50 |
| @rizen | &$handler($var); | 21:50 |
| @rizen | the problem is that $var never gets passed into $handler | 21:50 |
| @rizen | $handler does get executed though | 21:50 |
| @preaction | it should be \&somesub; # get a reference, not the output | 21:57 |
| @rizen | ah | 21:57 |
| @rizen | thanks | 21:57 |
| @rizen | i knew i was sccrewing up something | 21:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | are scripts in sbin supposed to a #! line? | 23:30 |
| @rizen | wre/sbin yes | 23:31 |
| @rizen | WebGUI/sbin no | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | -3 bugs | 23:31 |
| SDuensin | Oh my god. Start looking for the four horsemen. IE7 just rendered something correctly and Firefox blew it. | 23:35 |
| +perlDreamer | You must be mistaken, SD. | 23:36 |
| @rizen | i agree, sd is smoking something | 23:36 |
| +perlDreamer | That's like saying that entropy decreased. | 23:36 |
| @rizen | SD: you really blew that guy | 23:36 |
| @rizen | SD: you really licked his ass | 23:36 |
| @rizen | hehe | 23:36 |
| +crythias | Demolition Man! | 23:37 |
| +crythias | All restaurants are Taco Bell! | 23:37 |
| * crythias vomits a little in his mouth. | 23:38 | |
| @rizen | crythias, you can take this job and shovel it | 23:38 |
| SDuensin | I know. I can hardly believe my eyes. | 23:38 |
| * SDuensin is doing some DOM inspecting to see if Firefox is looking at the same thing IE is using. | 23:38 | |
| +crythias | You are a savage creature rizen, and I wish for you to leave my domicile now! | 23:40 |
| +crythias | You've finally matched his meet! | 23:41 |
| +crythias | rizen, You are an incredibly sensitive man, who inspires joy-joy feelings in all those around you. | 23:42 |
| @rizen | crythias, You are fined one credit for a violation of the Verbal Morality Statute. | 23:45 |
| +crythias | What's with the seashells? | 23:46 |
| @rizen | I want you to rob, I want you to pillage, I want you to steal! I want you to do all the wonderful things that we used to do before all of this happened! This world will be ours! Are you with me? | 23:46 |
| +crythias | Yeah! | 23:46 |
| @rizen | he doesn't know how to use the three sea shells | 23:46 |
| @rizen | =) | 23:46 |
| +crythias | yay IMDB quotes! | 23:46 |
| @rizen | i've been meaning to watch that movie again | 23:48 |
| @rizen | just haven't had time | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | time/shmime | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | dude, you work at home! | 23:50 |
| @rizen | yeah, but that doesn't mean i don't work all day long | 23:51 |
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| @rizen | preaction, when you get a chance, can you please permanently op jamestolley | 00:03 |
| @rizen | james, please register your account with freenode | 00:03 |
| @rizen | check out www.freenode.net for info on how to do that | 00:03 |
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| @rizen | if anybody is here, i have a question | 04:16 |
| @rizen | an opinion needed | 04:16 |
| @rizen | if the WRE has a web based console for adding/removing/editing sites and all other functions, and an API for automation | 04:16 |
| +Radix-wrk | i'm here | 04:16 |
| @rizen | does it need command line utilities as well for any reason? | 04:16 |
| +Radix-wrk | Sorry.. phone | 04:21 |
| +Radix-wrk | Probably not really | 04:21 |
| @vayde | I think it does. I distrust gui utilities, but that might just be my neurosis | 04:22 |
| +Radix-wrk | the onyl advantage I find with command line is that you tend to get more feedback/errors if something goes wrong | 04:22 |
| +Radix-wrk | and more options | 04:23 |
| @rizen | assuming you had every option | 04:24 |
| @rizen | and every error message | 04:24 |
| @rizen | and every level of output | 04:24 |
| @vayde | plus you get the satisfaction of getting your prompt back, knowing it finished | 04:24 |
| @rizen | and vayde, i'm afraid i can't take your paranoia into account...do you have any good reasons? | 04:24 |
| @rizen | this will be doing things in realtime | 04:25 |
| @vayde | I'm not saying you should necessarily. | 04:25 |
| @rizen | so when the page comes back | 04:25 |
| @rizen | you will have the same satisfaction | 04:25 |
| @rizen | i'm not saying i shouldn't have command line tools. i'm just wondering what purpose they might serve...and i don't really see one at this point | 04:26 |
| @vayde | In my experience, cli is more reliable. things tend to work, or fail in ways that lead you to the answer. guis don't always | 04:26 |
| @vayde | that's just my 2 cents though | 04:26 |
| @rizen | i think that has more to do with most of the CLI apps that you've used have been around for 20 years | 04:26 |
| @rizen | and are well tested | 04:26 |
| @rizen | and well written | 04:27 |
| +Radix-wrk | Command line utilities are a good way to learn automation as well I've found, and can be used as a starting point to hack the default and tweak it to do what you want - that's how I started my adduser script prettymuch | 04:30 |
| @rizen | i'm thinking about maybe providing some limited functionality command line utilities | 04:30 |
| +Radix-wrk | So for example if someone wanted to add a new site as a clone from an existing one.. or make it so that every new site also included a bunch of specific pages, etc | 04:31 |
| @rizen | and putting the full features in the GUI | 04:31 |
| @rizen | the reason is that i think that most people will prefer the GUI | 04:31 |
| @rizen | vayde's feelings to the contrary | 04:31 |
| +Radix-wrk | Will there be a way to disable it in the GUI if you want? | 04:32 |
| @rizen | and if i'm wrong | 04:32 |
| @rizen | then we can always expand the CLI tools | 04:32 |
| @rizen | disable what? | 04:32 |
| +Radix-wrk | ie. if you want to give a user admin for a site, but don't want them to be able to add new sites whenever they like? | 04:32 |
| * SDuensin just read the scrollback... | 04:32 | |
| @rizen | no...this is an admin only tool | 04:32 |
| SDuensin | If it has an API, it'd be easy to roll a CLI tool. | 04:33 |
| @rizen | this is not something you give your hosting clients | 04:33 |
| @rizen | that's what the API is there fore | 04:33 |
| @rizen | to tie the WRE into whatever console tool you give your clients | 04:33 |
| @rizen | webmin | 04:33 |
| @rizen | or whatever | 04:33 |
| SDuensin | My clients get NUTHIN'! Just the bill! :-) | 04:33 |
| +Radix-wrk | okay, so how is it exposed to the admin by default? | 04:33 |
| @rizen | a web based gui | 04:34 |
| +Radix-wrk | on a separate port address? in webgui itself? | 04:34 |
| @rizen | on a seperate port | 04:34 |
| @rizen | i wrote a seperate web server | 04:34 |
| @rizen | based upon HTTP::Daemon | 04:34 |
| +Radix-wrk | k, cool | 04:34 |
| @rizen | that way you can use this tool to restart apache | 04:35 |
| @rizen | without affecting the tool | 04:35 |
| +Radix-wrk | neat | 04:35 |
| +Radix-wrk | Sounds good to me.. ship it! | 04:35 |
| @rizen | it's not entirely written yet | 04:35 |
| @rizen | the web server is | 04:35 |
| @rizen | but not the functionality that goes in it | 04:36 |
| @rizen | this is all part of the WRE 0.8.0 rewrite | 04:36 |
| SDuensin | MORE WEB SERVERS! (I only run 4 so far!) | 04:36 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning all. | 16:06 |
| +crythias | Morning? bah. If I didn't sleep, it's still yesterday. | 16:07 |
| SDuensin | hehehe | 16:07 |
| +crythias | rizen shine! | 16:08 |
| +crythias | hee :) | 16:08 |
| +crythias | just.. felt right to say that. | 16:09 |
| SDuensin | :-D | 16:09 |
| +crythias | hrm. so ... what about this universal pwd WorksLikeASlave? | 16:10 |
| +crythias | (j/k) | 16:10 |
| +crythias | Sigh. | 16:15 |
| +crythias | I get emails for tech support requests posted on zolved.com | 16:15 |
| SDuensin | Zolved? Never been there. | 16:15 |
| +crythias | a rash of "I installed ypops on Vista for Outlook 2007. I get an invalid pop3 account ... is this a Vista issue?" | 16:16 |
| +crythias | I shrug to myself. | 16:16 |
| +crythias | I might lose $$ by not knowing what Vista is and supporting it, but that's almost like shooting fish in a barrel. | 16:16 |
| +crythias | except I'd have to buy a barrel. | 16:17 |
| +crythias | and fish. | 16:17 |
| SDuensin | That's the only reason I installed Vista. Just so I can support it. | 16:17 |
| +crythias | that's a really sad reason. | 16:17 |
| +crythias | :( | 16:17 |
| SDuensin | Only reason I've found to use it. | 16:18 |
| +crythias | I like my xp installed base for my company. | 16:18 |
| +crythias | I'd like to go to Feisty Faun, but I think I'd get too much heat. | 16:18 |
| +crythias | especially too many proprietary windows apps. | 16:19 |
| +crythias | then again, I *could* be the test case. | 16:19 |
| SDuensin | :-) | 16:20 |
| * SDuensin is an OS X fan. | 16:20 | |
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| ckotil | im rebuilding an xserve | 18:08 |
| ckotil | cant find the serial for 10.4!!!!! | 18:08 |
| SDuensin | XSERVE! | 18:09 |
| * SDuensin is now officially jealous. | 18:09 | |
| ckotil | we dont have the big ass raid | 18:49 |
| SDuensin | I don't care. :-) | 18:54 |
| ckotil | yah, its pretty sweet. its our backup server, we run retrospect | 19:09 |
| SDuensin | I just built a BackupPC based backup server. Works REALLY well! | 19:13 |
| ckotil | something is screwey with the disk's in it tho, i couldnt pinpoint a bad disk or bad raid card.. | 19:13 |
| ckotil | does it backup windows/linux/mac workstations? | 19:13 |
| SDuensin | Yea. Using either SSH and rsync (or TAR) or you can use SMB. | 19:19 |
| SDuensin | I have two of them, each 1 TB. One backs up my house and servers and the other (will) does my parent's house. Then they sync. | 19:20 |
| ckotil | nice. | 19:32 |
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| SDuensin | It even gracefully handles me running off with my laptop while it's in the middle of being backed up. :-) | 19:33 |
| SDuensin | Hi MrHairgreas1 | 19:33 |
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| MrHairgrease | hi | 19:34 |
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| @rizen | howdy | 19:35 |
| SDuensin | The dead have rizen ! | 19:37 |
| @rizen | you're stealing crythias line | 19:37 |
| SDuensin | I know. :-P | 19:37 |
| @rizen | did he open source it? | 19:37 |
| +crythias | pd | 19:37 |
| @rizen | or provide a creative commons license? | 19:37 |
| @rizen | that's good | 19:38 |
| @rizen | but it still doesn't mean microsoft won't sue SD for patent infringement | 19:38 |
| +crythias | actually, I take that back. CC SA | 19:38 |
| +crythias | BA | 19:39 |
| +crythias | share alike by attribution :) | 19:39 |
| +crythias | rizer? but I hardly even know her! | 19:40 |
| +crythias | Butter. It's whats for dinner. | 19:41 |
| @rizen | Hot dogs. Armor hot dogs. The dogs kids love to bite. | 19:43 |
| +crythias | oh, no. | 19:43 |
| +crythias | It's better than bad, it's good! | 19:43 |
| @rizen | if anyone is interested, the new WRE API is absolutely going to rule for integration into web console interfaces | 19:44 |
| +crythias | yeah. so nice we're going to call it WRAPITUP | 19:44 |
| @rizen | everything that the WRE scripts can do will be presented through an object oriented perl API | 19:44 |
| @rizen | huh? | 19:45 |
| +crythias | WebGUI Runtime API smth smth smth .. Profit! | 19:45 |
| @rizen | heh | 19:45 |
| +crythias | Totally Under Perl | 19:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | cool | 19:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | looking forward to it | 19:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | we're thinking of running a number of sites of ours under the wre | 19:47 |
| @rizen | anyone know why using carp messages would screw up Test::More | 19:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 19:48 |
| @rizen | if i leave my carps in the code the tests fail, but if i comment them out they succeed | 19:48 |
| @rizen | very strange | 19:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe test::more checks for carps somehow | 19:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | and sees them as failures... | 19:49 |
| @rizen | a carp is supposed to be a warn...so it shouldn't screw with it | 19:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 19:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | but maybe tm sees warns as failures | 19:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | i dunno | 19:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it seems plausible | 19:50 |
| +crythias | ___/\______/| | 19:51 |
| +crythias | /_ * oO O O o< | 19:51 |
| +crythias | \__\|----------\| | 19:51 |
| +crythias | holy carp? | 19:51 |
| +crythias | What's this burger made of? Rats? Best burger I've had in years. | 19:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | crythias, are you drinking? | 19:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | or on some controlled substance =) | 19:54 |
| +crythias | why? would that make this funnier? | 19:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | not per se | 19:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | but more understandable | 19:54 |
| @rizen | esta tacogne? | 19:57 |
| @rizen | esta rata? | 19:57 |
| @rizen | rat! | 19:57 |
| @rizen | this is a rat burger? | 19:57 |
| +crythias | do you see any cows around here? | 19:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 19:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | 4 to be exact | 19:59 |
| +crythias | heh. He said "Bump Uglies" | 20:00 |
| @rizen | the honka chonka | 20:00 |
| @rizen | then smoke some cigarettes and raid the fridge | 20:01 |
| +crythias | grr. 6.7.4 ... | 20:01 |
| +crythias | I'm trying to get 6.7.4 live on a new box to upgrade | 20:01 |
| +crythias | I am close, but having trouble remembering how to allow uploads to work and extras in the right direction... | 20:02 |
| +crythias | sigh | 20:02 |
| @rizen | mrhg, are you supposed to trap carps with eval blocks? | 20:05 |
| @rizen | the same way you trap croaks? | 20:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | i dunno | 20:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | i never write code thta blows up | 20:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | so i never needed to write someyhing like that =) | 20:06 |
| @rizen | me either, but i'm connecting to code that blows up | 20:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | heh | 20:07 |
| @rizen | so i'm trying to throw a warning when their code blows up | 20:07 |
| @rizen | =) | 20:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | well | 20:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe an eval would do the job | 20:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | i googled a bit | 20:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | and serached on perlmonks | 20:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | but couldn't really find the problem you're having | 20:08 |
| @rizen | me too | 20:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe you should mail the test::more dude | 20:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's ndy lester right? | 20:08 |
| @rizen | yeah, i tried IM'ing him, but he's not around right now | 20:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 20:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | i can't help you with this one | 20:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's the bane of writing flawless code =) | 20:09 |
| @rizen | wahoo...andy was just there for 2 seconds and figured out that i'm an idiot | 20:19 |
| @rizen | i was doing use Carp; | 20:19 |
| @rizen | not use Carp qw(carp); | 20:20 |
| @preaction | you have to explicitly export carp now? | 20:20 |
| @rizen | apparently | 20:20 |
| @preaction | weirdness | 20:20 |
| @rizen | cuz it works now that i did that | 20:20 |
| @rizen | even weirder | 20:21 |
| @rizen | i can't just do it in the super class | 20:21 |
| @rizen | i have to do it in each subclass | 20:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | that is not too weird | 20:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | Expoter only exports into the package | 20:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | which is not the same as the package of the uper class] | 20:22 |
| @rizen | so objects don't inherit exports? | 20:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | I think so | 20:22 |
| @rizen | hmmm..then i've been doing it wrong in webgui for many years | 20:22 |
| @rizen | and it's worked | 20:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | where | 20:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | in almost no cases there are actually subs imported | 20:23 |
| @rizen | WebGUI::Utility | 20:23 |
| @rizen | in Asset.pm | 20:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm | 20:23 |
| @rizen | it doesn't matter | 20:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | indeed | 20:23 |
| @rizen | now that i know how to do it the right way | 20:23 |
| @rizen | i'm going to do that | 20:23 |
| @rizen | it's amazing that after using perl for more than 10 years, i'm still learning trivial things | 20:24 |
| @rizen | =) | 20:24 |
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| +crythias | what does "Cannot open config file" mean on an update.pl? | 21:08 |
| +crythias | I'm reasonably certain it's still there... | 21:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | i know that one | 21:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | pls wait | 21:08 |
| +crythias | unf. this is 6.8.9-6.8.10 | 21:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's a bug in the upgrade.pl | 21:09 |
| +crythias | oh. snap. ok.. | 21:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=4057 | 21:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/race-condition-causes-upgrade.pl-to-fail#Ui8Do6S-iKg8BNs92wKgNw | 21:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | it had me puzzled for a long time too | 21:11 |
| +crythias | ack. | 21:11 |
| +crythias | oh... | 21:12 |
| +crythias | because 6.8.10 comes before 6.8.2 | 21:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 21:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | the order in which the script displays the upgrades doesn't matter | 21:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | the upgrade script pulls the wrong current wg version out of the db | 21:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's what's going wrong | 21:13 |
| +crythias | happiness. | 21:14 |
| +crythias | You inspire joy joy feelings in all those around you. | 21:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 21:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's becomming real tiresome =) | 21:14 |
| @preaction | enhance your calm | 21:19 |
| +crythias | "respond with, "or else"" | 21:19 |
| @preaction | now i gotta dig up my VHS of that movie... | 21:20 |
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| xdanger | Is there a way for allowing users to register, but that the account would be disabled until admins approve the user? | 23:23 |
| @rizen | there's a jury rigged way you could do it now | 23:25 |
| @rizen | and a good way to do it in 7.4 | 23:25 |
| @rizen | the jury rig is to notify admins on new user | 23:26 |
| @rizen | and then have them put the user into a group | 23:26 |
| @rizen | oh wait | 23:26 |
| @rizen | if you don't mind writing a quick workflow activity | 23:26 |
| @rizen | you could do this now | 23:26 |
| @rizen | there is a workflow that is kicked off on user registration | 23:26 |
| @rizen | you could disable their account | 23:27 |
| @rizen | and notify the admin to approve it | 23:27 |
| @rizen | using a workflow activity | 23:27 |
| @rizen | anyway...there's no way built in to webgui to do this | 23:27 |
| @rizen | you'd have to do something yourself | 23:27 |
| xdanger | ok... workflow could work... | 23:30 |
| xdanger | I'll have a look at that next week... | 23:30 |
| xdanger | I'll contribute the results then | 23:30 |
| +crythias | grr spectre | 23:53 |
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| +crythias | ok. I'm being silly. | 00:00 |
| +crythias | spectre won't connect to my server... | 00:01 |
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| +crythias | ERROR: Couldn't connect to WebGUI site server1.conf @ http://server1a:80/?op=spectreTest because it returned HTTP::Response=HASH(0x8f209f8) | 00:13 |
| +crythias | although ... | 00:14 |
| +crythias | links says I get "spectre" | 00:15 |
| +crythias | rizen: in lib/Spectre/Admin.pm would it be possible/useful/etc to verbose error a line like this: print "ERROR: Couldn't connect to WebGUI site $key @ $url because it returned $response \n"; | 00:21 |
| +crythias | hrm. env_proxy problem. | 00:29 |
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| @rizen | ertainly | 00:40 |
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| @rizen | crythias...per your question before, submit a patch to the bug list and we'll get it in the next release | 04:17 |
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| crythia1 | wow. | 05:19 |
| crythia1 | Now I need to know what I asked. :) | 05:20 |
| crythia1 | oh, yeah. | 05:20 |
| crythia1 | but it wouldn't have helped. | 05:20 |
| crythia1 | rizen: here's the deal | 05:20 |
| crythia1 | env_proxy killed spectre in Admin.pm when spectre was running on the same network. | 05:21 |
| crythia1 | I was troubleshooting it, and realized it too late. | 05:21 |
| crythia1 | took me many hours to realize it. | 05:21 |
| crythia1 | actually, on the same box | 05:23 |
| @rizen | what does that have to do with you submitting a patch to the bug list? | 05:23 |
| crythia1 | nothing. Only the why of the patch was important. | 05:35 |
| @rizen | ah | 05:35 |
| @rizen | that's what i was missing | 05:35 |
| @rizen | i was trying to figure out if you were saying that the patch is no longer needed | 05:35 |
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| @rizen | or something else was needed | 05:35 |
| crythia1 | The patch wouldn't have fixed the issue. | 05:36 |
| crythia1 | I mean, it's nice to know that I couldn't connect and that it was trying to access the right website. | 05:36 |
| crythia1 | that information I didn't have. | 05:36 |
| crythia1 | but the problem was that Spectre was using env_proxy on the same box as WebGUI. | 05:37 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning. | 16:11 |
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| ckotil | hello | 19:01 |
| SDuensin | Hey ckotil | 19:04 |
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| misterslurpey | Hello | 23:01 |
| misterslurpey | Hi | 23:01 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o jamestolley] by rizen | 23:01 | |
| @rizen | howdy | 23:01 |
| misterslurpey | I need a little help | 23:01 |
| misterslurpey | do u mind? | 23:01 |
| @rizen | i guarantee nothing, but you can ask | 23:01 |
| misterslurpey | I am trying to install WEBgui on my apache server, but i am using a windows pc | 23:02 |
| misterslurpey | so do i use the windows install? | 23:02 |
| @rizen | yes, though i have to admit that the windows install is by far the most difficult | 23:04 |
| misterslurpey | :o | 23:04 |
| @rizen | webgui works fine on windows once you get it up and running, but it's designed to run on a unix/linux environment | 23:04 |
| misterslurpey | no my webserver is linux | 23:04 |
| @rizen | oh | 23:04 |
| @rizen | you just said you're using windows | 23:05 |
| misterslurpey | but my pc is windows | 23:05 |
| @rizen | ok | 23:05 |
| @rizen | that's no big deal | 23:05 |
| @rizen | do you have root access on your linux server? | 23:05 |
| misterslurpey | Ill i have is Cpanel and ftp | 23:05 |
| @rizen | that won't work. webgui requires root access. | 23:05 |
| @rizen | it's an enterprise level system, so it's not just a script you install like some other web publishing systems | 23:06 |
| @rizen | it's meant to take over the server | 23:06 |
| misterslurpey | oh. | 23:06 |
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| misterslurpey | :( | 23:06 |
| @rizen | that said...there are plenty of hosters out there | 23:07 |
| @rizen | that sell accounts for between $10 and $30 a month | 23:07 |
| misterslurpey | mynes a free 20gb | 23:07 |
| @rizen | they handle all the webgui install for you | 23:07 |
| misterslurpey | :) | 23:07 |
| @rizen | so you can just use it | 23:07 |
| misterslurpey | maybe ill ask my webhost | 23:07 |
| @rizen | that's a good idea | 23:07 |
| misterslurpey | they are very nice | 23:07 |
| @rizen | they may decide they want to offer webgui as a service | 23:07 |
| @rizen | lots of web hosts are doing that these days | 23:07 |
| @rizen | cuz webgui puts a lot of power into people's hands | 23:08 |
| misterslurpey | can i use a theme i found | 23:08 |
| misterslurpey | for this | 23:08 |
| @rizen | yup | 23:08 |
| misterslurpey | :D | 23:08 |
| misterslurpey | well my server host is in the uk and they are all sleeping | 23:09 |
| @rizen | once you get your webgui instance up and running you can come back here and someone will help you get your theme installed | 23:09 |
| * SDuensin hosts! :-) | 23:09 | |
| SDuensin | So does rizen. :-) | 23:09 |
| misterslurpey | im really new to websites, so is perl better than php? | 23:09 |
| @rizen | MPedersen is the one that helps most people out with that | 23:09 |
| misterslurpey | or are they the same | 23:09 |
| @rizen | php is a descendant of perl | 23:10 |
| misterslurpey | so which is widely used | 23:10 |
| @rizen | php is generally a litlte easier to code than perl, but perl has much more power and flexibility | 23:10 |
| misterslurpey | ok | 23:10 |
| misterslurpey | so perl is more secure? | 23:10 |
| @rizen | php is probably more widkely used for for your average web site | 23:10 |
| @rizen | but really big sites run perl | 23:10 |
| misterslurpey | ok | 23:10 |
| misterslurpey | man i must have a good host then | 23:10 |
| misterslurpey | giving me free perl | 23:11 |
| @rizen | yahoo, amazon, slashdot, etc are all run on perl | 23:11 |
| misterslurpey | i see | 23:11 |
| @rizen | oh, and ticket master, the bbc web site, and shopzilla also | 23:11 |
| misterslurpey | cool | 23:11 |
| misterslurpey | i looked on wiki pedia not many scripts though | 23:11 |
| @rizen | php is more popular these days | 23:12 |
| @rizen | cuz its easier to learn, as i said | 23:12 |
| misterslurpey | oh | 23:12 |
| @rizen | but perl is more powerful | 23:12 |
| @rizen | so it's about what it is that you want to do it | 23:13 |
| misterslurpey | i like perl than | 23:13 |
| misterslurpey | I just want a forum and a web page. | 23:13 |
| @rizen | if you're all about running a small to medium sized ordinary web site | 23:13 |
| misterslurpey | :D | 23:13 |
| @rizen | then php might be better | 23:13 |
| misterslurpey | well its more stronger like u said. | 23:13 |
| @rizen | webgui can do the stuff you just listed, but so can other apps | 23:13 |
| @rizen | webgui rules | 23:13 |
| misterslurpey | ok | 23:14 |
| @rizen | and i think everyone should use it | 23:14 |
| misterslurpey | thats what i wanted to hear | 23:14 |
| @rizen | but it's not a small system | 23:14 |
| misterslurpey | i looked at it, and thought this would help me. | 23:14 |
| misterslurpey | how big is webgui? | 23:15 |
| @rizen | 200,000 lines of code | 23:15 |
| @rizen | approximately | 23:15 |
| misterslurpey | :o | 23:15 |
| @rizen | like i said, it's designed to take over a server | 23:16 |
| @rizen | when you put it on a server, it can run hundreds of sites on a single server | 23:16 |
| misterslurpey | so that file on source forge is the size right. | 23:16 |
| @rizen | there are two parts | 23:16 |
| @rizen | the WebGUI Runtime Environment (WRE) | 23:16 |
| @rizen | and WebGUI Source | 23:16 |
| @rizen | you need both | 23:16 |
| @rizen | if you add in the WRE then you're talking about millions of lines of code | 23:17 |
| @rizen | the WRE is all the stuff you need to run webgui, perl, mysql, apache, etc | 23:17 |
| @rizen | then WebGUI itself is about 20mb (or 10mb compressed) | 23:17 |
| misterslurpey | good. | 23:18 |
| misterslurpey | my little server is only 2gb. | 23:18 |
| misterslurpey | my host guys are sleeping i think | 23:27 |
| @rizen | SDuensin, what do you guys provide for hosting? | 23:28 |
| SDuensin | We do FTP space, unlimited Email, WebGUI, CPanel, Fantastico (to auto-install a ton of web apps), and hella bandwidth. :-) | 23:29 |
| @rizen | at what price? | 23:29 |
| SDuensin | $20 a month. | 23:29 |
| SDuensin | I'd love to be cheaper, but I gotta eat. :-D | 23:30 |
| misterslurpey | I get 2gb for free | 23:30 |
| misterslurpey | but no root acess | 23:30 |
| misterslurpey | :() | 23:30 |
| SDuensin | I don't have a hard size limit. However, if you take over the box, you're likely going to not get to stay at $20. :-D | 23:31 |
| @rizen | for all that you're giving i'd say that's super cheap | 23:31 |
| misterslurpey | my other Web host is 10 gb and is free as well | 23:31 |
| misterslurpey | :) | 23:32 |
| SDuensin | rizen - I try! Just wish I was a half-ass decent salesman. I couldn't sell free money. | 23:32 |
| @rizen | our cheapest package is WebGUI, 25 email accounts, 10gb bandwidth, and 500mb storage, with nightly backups and monitoring for $20 | 23:32 |
| @rizen | how do these hosts stay in business if they give away hosting for free? | 23:32 |
| misterslurpey | I dunno | 23:33 |
| misterslurpey | they are nice to me | 23:33 |
| SDuensin | Oh yea. We have off-box RAID backups at night. I try and monitor everything, but I don't advertise that as a service. | 23:33 |
| @rizen | we have a 3 way monitoring system | 23:33 |
| SDuensin | I also try and keep current waaaaaay off-site backups in case of major disaster. Like off site in another state. :-) | 23:33 |
| misterslurpey | :o | 23:34 |
| @rizen | how do you have the bandwidth for nightly backups to another data center? | 23:34 |
| SDuensin | I have two way monitoring - when I see it and when a customer complains. <G> | 23:34 |
| @rizen | hehe | 23:34 |
| SDuensin | It's not exactly "nightly". It's a "rolling rsync". | 23:34 |
| SDuensin | It does what it can as fast as it can. | 23:35 |
| @rizen | ok, but you must dump your databases | 23:35 |
| SDuensin | I do. | 23:35 |
| @rizen | so do you do that nightly? | 23:35 |
| SDuensin | Yes. | 23:35 |
| @rizen | across the various servers that we host, we're storing about 7 terabytes of data | 23:36 |
| SDuensin | GACK! Wow. Yea. Nowhere near that big (yet). | 23:36 |
| @rizen | so we do full nightly backups, but we couldn't possibly do that to another data center and still have bandwidth left | 23:36 |
| SDuensin | No kidding. | 23:37 |
| @rizen | what's funny is that we're a small hosting outfit at 7 terabytes | 23:38 |
| @rizen | there are lots of data centers these days that measure stuff in petabytes | 23:38 |
| SDuensin | Wish I was a "small hosting outfit". Hell, I'd be happy just paying my bills. | 23:38 |
| @rizen | we couldn't survive if all we did was hosting | 23:39 |
| @rizen | there's very little money in it | 23:39 |
| @rizen | unless you're hosting 100 million customers | 23:39 |
| SDuensin | Yea, I know. I just want it to pay for itself. | 23:39 |
| SDuensin | I don't think my Open Office spreadsheet is ready for 100 million customers. :-) | 23:39 |
| misterslurpey | Hey if i cant use Web Gui, whats a good Php alternative | 23:41 |
| @rizen | there isn't a php system that does everything webgui does | 23:42 |
| SDuensin | Not even close. :-) | 23:42 |
| * SDuensin is migrating away from other systems as fast as he can. | 23:43 | |
| misterslurpey | How bout ruby? | 23:43 |
| @rizen | as far as forums, everybody is very fond of phpBB | 23:43 |
| @rizen | nothing in ruby close to webgui either | 23:43 |
| misterslurpey | i just want to edit my pages easily | 23:43 |
| misterslurpey | and add new ones | 23:43 |
| @rizen | the only things that are close to webgui are commercial apps | 23:43 |
| misterslurpey | :( | 23:44 |
| @rizen | that will cost you $10k or more in licensing fees | 23:44 |
| SDuensin | That's a lot of $20 months. :-) | 23:44 |
| misterslurpey | aww shucks | 23:45 |
| @rizen | let me think | 23:45 |
| misterslurpey | now i have to hope they will install Webby for me | 23:45 |
| @rizen | i know some people really like joomla, but i find it clumbsy | 23:45 |
| @rizen | and inflexible | 23:45 |
| SDuensin | Joomla can do some neat things, but man, that admin interface has to GO! | 23:45 |
| @rizen | you may want to conduct a search on cmsmatrix.org | 23:46 |
| SDuensin | Two of my sites run Joomla at the moment. One is only a CSS issue away from being replaced. :-) | 23:46 |
| misterslurpey | i looked on wiki there are so many | 23:47 |
| misterslurpey | so im guessing Joomla then | 23:49 |
| misterslurpey | it isnt up to date though. | 23:50 |
| misterslurpey | nvm mind i found a good one | 23:53 |
| @rizen | joomla is up to date...it's just made for small web sites | 23:53 |
| SDuensin | Ok gang - time for me to bug out. Talk to you later! | 23:53 |
| @rizen | what did you find? | 23:53 |
| misterslurpey | i found mambo | 23:53 |
| misterslurpey | rated best ease of use | 23:53 |
| misterslurpey | rated best free soft ware :) | 23:54 |
| SDuensin | Rated not against WebGUI. :-) | 23:54 |
| @rizen | mambo and joomla are the same thing | 23:54 |
| SDuensin | Joomla is the "new" Mambo, BTW. | 23:54 |
| @rizen | or at least joomla is a fork of mambo | 23:54 |
| misterslurpey | :o | 23:54 |
| @rizen | it's rated highly because it's easy to install | 23:54 |
| @rizen | and relatively easy to use | 23:54 |
| misterslurpey | thats what i want :) | 23:55 |
| @rizen | but it's very obtuse in many ways | 23:55 |
| @rizen | and completely inflexible | 23:55 |
| SDuensin | Yea. It's really not bad. But rizen is right - "obtuse" is a good word for it. | 23:55 |
| misterslurpey | :o | 23:55 |
| @rizen | it probably will work for your web site | 23:55 |
| misterslurpey | okay | 23:55 |
| misterslurpey | would problems might i run into | 23:55 |
| misterslurpey | *what | 23:55 |
| @rizen | it's message board system is kinda crapy though | 23:55 |
| SDuensin | Being confused to no end by the admin interface. | 23:56 |
| @rizen | it's not a bad system, but it's not good either | 23:56 |
| SDuensin | misterslurpey - http://www.jaegertech.com and http://www.duensing.com are on Joomla/Mambo. | 23:56 |
| misterslurpey | it looks so plain | 23:57 |
| SDuensin | I never could get Duensing.com to look or behave like I wanted. JaegerTech is OK though. | 23:57 |
| SDuensin | Well, "plain" is likely my design. | 23:57 |
| misterslurpey | Oh. | 23:57 |
| misterslurpey | well if there arent anything better that Joomla then i guess i have to use it | 23:58 |
| SDuensin | Anyway, I'm going home. :-) | 23:58 |
| misterslurpey | wait.. i remember this joomla | 23:58 |
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| misterslurpey | it was confusing | 23:58 |
| misterslurpey | :( | 23:59 |
| @rizen | yeah, it's got a clunky admin interface | 23:59 |
| misterslurpey | meh i give up | 23:59 |
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| misterslurpey | now i want web gui more. | 00:00 |
| @rizen | webgui is really your best bet...if you can get your hosts to install it for you | 00:00 |
| misterslurpey | well i asked them if they did forums, and they said they would install it for me. so maybe | 00:00 |
| misterslurpey | But i already installed a forum | 00:00 |
| @rizen | have you tried out webgui's demo so you can see if you even like webgui? | 00:01 |
| misterslurpey | yeah, i didnt understand how to install the message board. | 00:01 |
| misterslurpey | well im going to bed. | 00:05 |
| misterslurpey | thanks for the help | 00:05 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning. Friday at last! | 15:55 |
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| +Radix_ | Friday sucked.. friday night is pretty good so far tho ;) | 16:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | rizen | 16:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | awake already? | 16:40 |
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| SDuensin | It's too early to be awake, MrHairgrease. | 16:54 |
| * MrHairgrease mumbles something about lazy americans | 16:55 | |
| SDuensin | Yea. We suck. | 16:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | i know =) | 16:55 |
| @rizen | i resemble that remark | 17:02 |
| SDuensin | Hey! | 17:03 |
| @rizen | can't a guy check his email and stuff before answering irc? | 17:03 |
| SDuensin | NO! | 17:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | NO! | 17:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 17:03 |
| * SDuensin loads Adium, XChat, and THEN Mail. | 17:03 | |
| +MrHairgrease | what's the use of the cookieTTL setting? | 17:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | it can interfere with the sessionTimeout setting | 17:03 |
| @rizen | in most cases there isn't a use for it | 17:04 |
| @rizen | but on some sites that do wierd single sign on stuff | 17:04 |
| @rizen | it isn't enough to just have the session time out | 17:04 |
| @rizen | they also need the cookie to go away | 17:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | the thing is | 17:04 |
| @rizen | otherwise people can still access the external apps | 17:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | should the cookie go away when the session times out | 17:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | eg. | 17:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | i know a guy who set both to 1h | 17:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | but the cookie ttl ismn't update on a page view | 17:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | so people get logged out after an hour period | 17:05 |
| @rizen | that's how it's supposed to work | 17:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | an hour after their first pageview that is | 17:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 17:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | i was just checking | 17:06 |
| @rizen | session length is only controlled by session time out | 17:06 |
| @rizen | not cookie ttl | 17:06 |
| @rizen | only use cookie ttl if you have a need for it | 17:06 |
| @rizen | which most people don't | 17:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 17:06 |
| @rizen | incidentally | 17:07 |
| @rizen | if you could controll the killing of the cookie reliably | 17:07 |
| @rizen | then we could probably tie session timeout to cookie ttl | 17:08 |
| @rizen | but i've found that it's not very reliable depending upon browser | 17:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | ic | 17:08 |
| @rizen | IE is the bane of my existence | 17:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | i know | 17:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | we're in the same boat | 17:09 |
| SDuensin | It's a big boat. | 17:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | anybody know how i can get webgui to put $self->session->errorHandler->info messages in the log? | 17:29 |
| @preaction | i believe in WebGUI/etc/log.conf, change the loglevel to info | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 17:35 |
| @preaction | er.. looks like change log4perl.logger = INFO, mainlog | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | does anybody have an idea what might cause a op=runWorkflow to fail with 400 Bad Request? | 18:09 |
| @rizen | do you have info turn on in your logs? cuz that usually tells you | 18:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 18:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | WORKFLOW: Response for 11EH-Rxg8AtUluclHgZJhg had a communications error. | 18:10 |
| @rizen | that looks like the spectre side, not the webgui side | 18:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | apparently $response->is_error is true | 18:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | but what can cause that | 18:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | ? | 18:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | i does connect right? | 18:12 |
| @preaction | anything from the 400-500 field of codes | 18:12 |
| @rizen | if it's not connecting at all | 18:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | or else no error could be returned anyway | 18:12 |
| @rizen | oh right | 18:12 |
| @rizen | you'd get a connect timeout | 18:12 |
| @rizen | if it wasn't connecting | 18:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 18:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | but not a 400 | 18:12 |
| @rizen | so maybe it's connecting...but not to the site you think it is | 18:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm | 18:12 |
| @rizen | i'd run a curl | 18:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 18:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | that must be it | 18:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | they prolly messed up their sitenames in the conf | 18:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | i cannot check it out right now | 18:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's happening in some intranet | 18:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | which is not accesible from outdie | 18:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | outside | 18:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | but maybe i can reqproduce | 18:14 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hmm | 18:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | wg returns 400 for unpriviledged users | 18:25 |
| @rizen | your webgui maybe | 18:26 |
| @rizen | not my webgui | 18:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | sry | 18:26 |
| @rizen | you never know what you lowbrow eurotrash are doing to your webguis | 18:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | notMember | 18:26 |
| @rizen | =) | 18:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | you don't wanna know | 18:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that can't be it | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's only being called in viewProfile | 18:27 |
| @rizen | could it be a 4400 error? | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | what's that | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | do you mean 404? | 18:29 |
| @rizen | where the future abducts your code, and sends it back to the past to prevent you from doing something really bad | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | that can't be it | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | timetravel is still in its infancy in the Netherlands | 18:30 |
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| @preaction | would it break API if I started treating the arguments to WebGUI::User->profileField as a hash (so I can use the exists() function to set profile fields to NULL)? | 21:06 |
| @preaction | or would it work better if i get the length of @_, and if it's greater than 1, set whatever value the second argument is? | 21:07 |
| @preaction | same effect, really | 21:08 |
| @rizen | are you asking if you can change it from a hash reference to a hash? | 21:11 |
| @rizen | oh wait..it's neither right now | 21:12 |
| @rizen | it's a scalr | 21:12 |
| @rizen | scalar | 21:12 |
| @preaction | yeah, if i treat it as a hash though, i can use exists. the trouble is that won't work (since the key always exists when you're getting the field), so i'll have to check @_ before shifting the field name | 21:17 |
| @preaction | so if (@_ > 1) { $setField = 1; } $field = shift; $value = shift; if ($setField) { # save $value } | 21:18 |
| @preaction | but, how much do you think people relied on the fact that you cannot use profileField() to set a field to NULL? | 21:18 |
| @rizen | quite regularly | 21:18 |
| @rizen | you can't do what you're saying | 21:18 |
| @preaction | ki | 21:19 |
| @rizen | oh wait...let me think about that for a sec | 21:19 |
| @rizen | they use it to set empty | 21:19 |
| @rizen | i don't know if they use it to set null | 21:19 |
| @rizen | ok...let me give you my answer in the form of a test | 21:20 |
| @rizen | if after the change i can set "firstName" to empty | 21:20 |
| @preaction | you can set "" no problem, but not NULL. for some reason the Alumni code i've been changing to the new system does a raw db call to delete the entire entry (instead of just setting to "") | 21:20 |
| @rizen | then we're good | 21:20 |
| @rizen | exit | 21:20 |
| @rizen | oops..wwrong window | 21:20 |
| @preaction | after the change, yes, you'll still be able to set to "" | 21:21 |
| @preaction | at least, i'll do some research on placeholders, but i believe NULL only gets used when undef, not when false | 21:21 |
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| jamestolley | hello? MrHairgrease? I'm in need of some _expert_ SQLForms help! | 00:44 |
| @preaction | jamestolley: did you register your nick w/ nickserv? i can't put you on the auto-op list until you do | 00:47 |
| jamestolley | NAMES | 00:55 |
| @preaction | beg pardon? | 00:56 |
| jamestolley | anyone here? | 01:06 |
| @preaction | apparently nobody besides me | 01:07 |
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| +MrHairgrease | what's the problem? | 01:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 01:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | i got your email | 01:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll mail you back | 01:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | james has email | 01:20 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning! | 16:30 |
| xdanger | wau, new rambo trailer =D http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32721 | 16:32 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:11 |
| pjesi | greetings SDuensin! | 16:16 |
| SDuensin | Hey pjesi | 16:17 |
| pjesi | I had some complains about the pages being cached too much in the browser | 16:19 |
| pjesi | (clients forced to use ctrl f5 to see changes) | 16:20 |
| pjesi | has this something to do with the stuff that webgui puts in the <head>? | 16:21 |
| SDuensin | You running the latest WebGUI? I don't seem to have that problem. | 16:23 |
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| pjesi | the guy reporting the problem did not either, actually it is 7.3.12 | 16:27 |
| SDuensin | Sorry - was AFK | 16:58 |
| SDuensin | Does he have some kind of proxy in the way? Maybe it's caching it. | 16:58 |
| @rizen | pjesi...you need to upgrade | 17:04 |
| @rizen | that was fixed | 17:04 |
| SDuensin | Morning, rizen | 17:05 |
| @rizen | is it morning already? | 17:05 |
| pjesi | rizen: ok thanks | 17:05 |
| SDuensin | Unfortunately, yes, it is. | 17:06 |
| @rizen | crap...that means i missed an entire nights sleep again | 17:06 |
| @rizen | need to stop that | 17:06 |
| pjesi | rizen: was the problem in the HTTP head? | 17:07 |
| @rizen | yeah, it was the way we were dealing with cache headers | 17:07 |
| pjesi | I see | 17:08 |
| pjesi | rizen: why does the update script need to be run as root, not the wre user? | 17:14 |
| pjesi | I need to move from .12 to .17 but the sysadmin is an ass :) | 17:15 |
| @rizen | it doesn't need to be | 17:16 |
| @rizen | there is an --override option | 17:16 |
| @rizen | however | 17:16 |
| @rizen | if you're going to run the --override option | 17:17 |
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| @rizen | then you need to be aware that the the upgrade script won't be able to delete your cache or other stuff | 17:17 |
| @rizen | so you should do --skipDelete as well | 17:17 |
| pjesi | ok | 17:19 |
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| mlamar | Hi guys | 20:01 |
| SDuensin | Hello. | 20:04 |
| mlamar | quiet around here :) | 20:05 |
| SDuensin | Has been for a few days. Guess they're all hard at work! | 20:05 |
| mlamar | ah. I had a question ... are you familiar with the changes to 7.3.17? | 20:06 |
| SDuensin | Not really. I just upgraded and went on my merry way. | 20:21 |
| @rizen | i'm mostly familiar with them | 20:26 |
| SDuensin | hehehe | 20:26 |
| @rizen | what do you need mlamar? | 20:26 |
| mlamar | I am experiencing a permissions bug in 7.3.16, but I can't replicate it on the demo | 20:27 |
| mlamar | so I was wondering if it was fixed in 17? | 20:28 |
| @rizen | describe it | 20:28 |
| mlamar | The problem is that when certain assets are created they get the default group to edit and group to view | 20:28 |
| mlamar | (Admin and Everyone) | 20:28 |
| mlamar | and cannot be reset | 20:28 |
| mlamar | I can replicate, but am not yet sure what all the parameters are that cause the bug | 20:29 |
| @rizen | can you define "certain assets" | 20:29 |
| mlamar | I think it happens only under an existing version tag -- not when creating a new version | 20:29 |
| mlamar | I've replicated it with File, Wiki and Article, so I don't think it's the asset type | 20:30 |
| @rizen | and you're sure that the parent of those assets doesn't have those privs? | 20:30 |
| mlamar | I think it has to do with versioning | 20:30 |
| mlamar | yes positive | 20:30 |
| mlamar | in fact when I create the object it looks like it has the right privs | 20:30 |
| mlamar | but when I go edit it after creation, they are set to the defaults | 20:30 |
| @rizen | interesting. and you say you can't replicate this on demo? | 20:31 |
| mlamar | if you don't think you've fixed it, we'll try upgrading on one of our dev boxes and see if it fixes it | 20:31 |
| mlamar | yes, I can't replicate on demo, so I don't know if 17 fixed it, or if something about the demo environment is preventing it | 20:32 |
| mlamar | I can replicate it on server39 if you want to see it | 20:32 |
| @rizen | the only thing i can think of that may have an impact on that is this change from 7.3.17: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=4082 | 20:33 |
| mlamar | which is www.csumathsuccess.org | 20:33 |
| @rizen | i didn't fix the bug, Haarg did | 20:33 |
| @rizen | Haarg, are you here? | 20:33 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 20:34 |
| @rizen | do you remember the bug fix listed above | 20:34 |
| @rizen | ? | 20:34 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 20:34 |
| @rizen | will that fix the problem mlamar is discribing | 20:34 |
| @rizen | describing | 20:34 |
| @Haarg | i think so | 20:35 |
| @rizen | there you go michele | 20:36 |
| mlamar | ok, I'll try the upgrade and let you know if it doesn't fix it. | 20:36 |
| mlamar | thanks! | 20:36 |
| @Haarg | it was previously rejecting setting the group to any group with a old style id | 20:36 |
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| ckotil | when an email is sent out to a group, will one also be sent to those users who belong to a group of a group? | 22:33 |
| @rizen | depends upon how it was sent, but in most circumstances, yes | 22:34 |
| ckotil | k | 22:37 |
| ckotil | i assumed it would. | 22:37 |
| ckotil | im trying to hack up the request approval for version tag activity so that i can send out a single email to an address. rather than send an individual email to each user. | 22:39 |
| ckotil | i COULD set everyones email to the list, but i cant guarentee the list can handle all that email | 22:39 |
| ckotil | ive been absolutely swamped here at work. | 22:39 |
| ckotil | spent half the day today setting up nagios configs | 22:40 |
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| @rizen | good news peeps | 01:51 |
| @rizen | we'll be branching for 7.4 tomorrow | 01:51 |
| @rizen | after 7.3.18 is released | 01:51 |
| @preaction | woohoo! | 01:52 |
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| SDuensin | WHOOOOOOOOOO! | 02:06 |
| @rizen | i can't wait | 02:10 |
| @rizen | i'm so happy we're finally going to get to start working on 7.4 | 02:10 |
| SDuensin | I'm happy, too! | 02:15 |
| SDuensin | I believe I saw "new commerce system" and "PayPal" on the roadmap. :-) | 02:15 |
| @rizen | not for 7.4 | 02:15 |
| SDuensin | Hmmm. Nuts. | 02:15 |
| @rizen | the roadmap needs to be updated | 02:15 |
| SDuensin | DOH! | 02:15 |
| SDuensin | I'd settle for an old commerce system and PayPal. :-) | 02:16 |
| @rizen | unfortunately the old ecommerce system and paypal aren't compatible | 02:16 |
| @rizen | otherwise it would already be there | 02:16 |
| @rizen | that's part of the reason for a rewrite | 02:17 |
| @rizen | cuz i want paypal there too | 02:17 |
| @rizen | so bad i can taste it | 02:17 |
| SDuensin | PayPal was kinda weird last time I looked at the API. | 02:17 |
| @rizen | the current ecommerce system is designed for traditional "back-end" cc processors | 02:17 |
| @rizen | where we provide the ui | 02:18 |
| @rizen | and just pass the info along to the processor | 02:18 |
| @rizen | paypal requires that you use their front end | 02:18 |
| @rizen | so that's the problem | 02:18 |
| @rizen | the commerce system doesn't know how to hand off the transaction to paypals front end | 02:18 |
| @rizen | it can only do backend processors | 02:18 |
| SDuensin | I thought they had an API that you could completely bypass their site? | 02:18 |
| @rizen | they recently bought out payflowpro so i don't know what that adds | 02:19 |
| @rizen | but no, their original api just allowed you to integrate with their front end | 02:19 |
| @rizen | it didn't allow you to bypass it | 02:19 |
| SDuensin | PayWhoHuh? Man. I should read those developer notes they mail out. :-) | 02:19 |
| @rizen | besides...even if i could do it now | 02:20 |
| @rizen | i wouldn't | 02:20 |
| @rizen | cuz then i'd just have to redo it after i redo the commerce systemm | 02:21 |
| @rizen | cuz that's not all that needs to be changed | 02:21 |
| @rizen | we also need to add in support for taxes | 02:21 |
| @rizen | we need to be able to do arbitrary settlements (like donate whatever you feel like it) | 02:21 |
| @rizen | we need to do ad-hoc products sales (combos, bundles, configure and buy, etc | 02:22 |
| @rizen | and we need the commerce system to be able to talk back to assets | 02:22 |
| SDuensin | You're not kidding about an overhaul. | 02:22 |
| @rizen | so that you can create a custom asset for some commerce function | 02:22 |
| @rizen | yup it's a biggie | 02:23 |
| @rizen | oh, and finally we need to merge the product asset with the product manager | 02:23 |
| @rizen | it's stupid that we have two | 02:23 |
| @rizen | that's my fault | 02:23 |
| @rizen | i'm not saying necessarily that all those features need to be added right away | 02:24 |
| @rizen | but we at least need the hooks for them | 02:24 |
| @rizen | so that they can be added | 02:24 |
| @rizen | and currently they can't | 02:24 |
| @rizen | even adding the hooks is major surgery | 02:24 |
| SDuensin | I hear that. I have a database editor I'm writing that is undergoing major surgery at the moment. It's hell. | 02:25 |
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| +Radix-wrk | rizen: what was the perl book you recommended to me/others a while back for getting started with perl? | 03:53 |
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| @rizen | the little black perl book | 10:39 |
| @rizen | http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/1932111921/index.html | 10:44 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning. | 16:47 |
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| @rizen | good afternoon | 17:06 |
| SDuensin | Afternoon?! | 17:07 |
| * SDuensin thinks rizen needs a new watch. | 17:07 | |
| xdanger | or he's in europa | 17:08 |
| AMH_bob | Goedemiddag | 17:09 |
| @rizen | bob? | 17:10 |
| AMH_bob | And yes, it's a decent 4pm here! | 17:11 |
| AMH_bob | Goedemiddag == Good afternoon | 17:11 |
| @rizen | i can almost see it in there " good mid day" | 17:13 |
| AMH_bob | :-D | 17:13 |
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| ckotil | will .18 see the light today? | 19:08 |
| ckotil | how big is the plainblack.com instanct of webgui all tar'd up? | 19:55 |
| ckotil | mine just shot up to 2 gigs | 19:56 |
| ckotil | bc of this new file repository. | 19:56 |
| ckotil | seems the windows xp iso has some revision entries, for some odd reason. | 19:57 |
| SDuensin | XP ISO? Why on earth would you want to save that? :-) | 19:57 |
| ckotil | its corp. edition | 19:58 |
| ckotil | and theres a key w/ it. | 19:58 |
| ckotil | just in case anyone needs to burn a copy | 19:58 |
| SDuensin | Yea, but man, it's still Windows. :-P | 19:58 |
| ckotil | some of my users expressed interest in it | 19:59 |
| ckotil | so heres the wierd thing. when i was backing up, i saw the iso appear at elast twice . | 19:59 |
| SDuensin | Ah, well, that makes it a training issue. :-) | 19:59 |
| ckotil | and there are no revisions for it. | 19:59 |
| ckotil | WebGUI.Backup.5.23.07.tar.gz 100% 1923MB 18.1MB/s 01:46 | 19:59 |
| SDuensin | That looks like my good friend NCFTP! | 20:00 |
| ckotil | scp ;) | 20:00 |
| SDuensin | :-) | 20:00 |
| SDuensin | I've been doing all my backups with BackupPC lately. Cool program. | 20:01 |
| ckotil | ya, i remember you saying that. | 20:01 |
| ckotil | i use retrospect | 20:01 |
| ckotil | bc it does mac, pc, and linux | 20:01 |
| SDuensin | Funny, that's why I use BackupPC. :-D | 20:01 |
| ckotil | heh | 20:02 |
| ckotil | hows the reporting/monitoring of backupPC? | 20:02 |
| ckotil | retrospect is pretty damn cryptic | 20:03 |
| SDuensin | I wish it had more "in progress" information so you knew how far along it was, but otherwise it's really nice. | 20:03 |
| ckotil | heh. | 20:03 |
| ckotil | retrospect is the opposite, it tells you abaout EVERY minor thing. | 20:03 |
| SDuensin | http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/info.html#screenShots | 20:03 |
| ckotil | for instance, if a file changes sizes when the backup starts on it from the time it finishes. thats an error. | 20:04 |
| ckotil | usually happens to log or cache files | 20:04 |
| ckotil | it looks nice. | 20:05 |
| ckotil | backupPC that is | 20:05 |
| SDuensin | Yea. I like it. | 20:19 |
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| cap10morgan | I have a wobject that is based on DataForm, but when I create prototypes of them, the fields in the form aren't preserved (i.e. it starts w/ the default fields regardless of what were added/removed in the prototype) | 21:05 |
| cap10morgan | is there some API i need to use to make sure that stuff gets carried over when prototyped? | 21:06 |
| @rizen | you can't prototype collateral data | 21:06 |
| @rizen | only the basic asset properties | 21:07 |
| cap10morgan | oh, bummer... | 21:08 |
| cap10morgan | maybe i should just make a parent class and then subclass the different types i need then as separate wobjects | 21:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | hey, folks! | 21:12 |
| @rizen | howdy | 21:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I see the channel is still hopping. | 21:16 |
| @rizen | it's a little busier in the mornings it seems | 21:19 |
| @rizen | hell in a handbasket' | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | what's up? | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | release problems? | 21:22 |
| @rizen | i was just thinking that since i'm due to leave in 3 hours and going to be gone for 1 week | 21:22 |
| @rizen | right about now is the time for something to go to hell in a handbasket | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you want something specific to happen, or just something in general? | 21:23 |
| @rizen | hopefully nothing happens | 21:23 |
| @rizen | i want nothing to happen | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll do what I can if there's a problem, and swear, affirm and avow not to cause any problems above and beyond what I normally do through incompetence and stubbornness. | 21:25 |
| @rizen | hehe | 21:25 |
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| -!- rizen changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.3.18 | WRE 0.7.2 ] - Let 7.4 dev begin! | 21:52 | |
| +perlDreamer | Time to merge tonight! | 21:52 |
| @rizen | colin...(or anybody) do you know how to merge a file from one branch into another? is it as simple as just doing a copy? | 21:57 |
| @preaction | it's probably a matter of diff and patch | 22:15 |
| ckotil | w00t. 7.3.18 | 22:15 |
| @rizen | no what i mean is that there's a file in one branch | 22:19 |
| @rizen | that doesn't exist in the other | 22:19 |
| @rizen | so i just want to copy it over there | 22:19 |
| ckotil | pd: thanks for fixing that bug with the synopsis inheritance. that was killing my users acceptance of the file repository | 22:21 |
| @preaction | oh, a straight copy will suffice with that | 22:26 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: merging in general http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/svn.branchmerge.copychanges.html | 23:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | ckotil: wake up! | 23:38 |
| ckotil | yo | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I've looked through the folder code, and don't see a way to "leak" the synopsis into a folder | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | How about checking the asset properties for those folders to see if they have the same synopsis as the parent? | 23:50 |
| ckotil | sure thing. | 23:50 |
| ckotil | OK, right now i have a parent folder asset, and 2 children folder assets along with many children file assets. | 23:51 |
| ckotil | none of them have meta data summaries | 23:51 |
| ckotil | ill add a meta data summary to the parent | 23:52 |
| ckotil | it appears in the summary of the children folder assets | 23:52 |
| ckotil | and doesnt even appear in the summary of the parent, when i view it as the child of a parent folder asset. | 23:53 |
| ckotil | follow? | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes. | 23:53 |
| ckotil | kinda seems like the template is looking one level too high for the synopsis | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Folders do not display summaries :) | 23:53 |
| ckotil | the children are displaying the summary forthe parent. | 23:54 |
| ckotil | it'd be nice for the folder to display its meta data summary so that, it could read 'file type XXX belongs in here' | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be an RFE | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | are you running 7.3.18? | 23:56 |
| ckotil | right. | 23:56 |
| ckotil | yup | 23:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | what does line 191 look like in lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Folder.pm ? | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | restart the webserver, flush the cache? | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I tested this fix pretty carefully | 23:57 |
| ckotil | synopsis=>$child->get("synopsis") || '', | 23:58 |
| ckotil | yes, i did it all. | 23:58 |
| ckotil | the fix works. just that folder assets still inherit the parents summary | 23:58 |
| ckotil | at least if the parent is another folder asset | 23:58 |
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| ckotil | prior to the fix all assets would inherit the summary. | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Did you see the thread on the dev list about this? | 00:00 |
| ckotil | no. | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Please give it a quick read. | 00:00 |
| ckotil | ok | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen wanted it to behave the way that it originally did. | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | where children would "show", but not have, the parent's synopsis | 00:01 |
| ckotil | oh i guess i did | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Now, folders are different | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | the subfolder template loop does not define any synopsis variable, so it inherits the one from the parent. | 00:01 |
| ckotil | i think there should be a checkbox that says inherit parent synopsis? | 00:02 |
| ckotil | ok, so i need to hack up my instance more, and add the synopsis variable? | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | either that, or just remove it from the template | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen can decide if this is an RFE or a bug | 00:03 |
| ckotil | heh that reminds me, after upgrading today theres a lot of changes i gotta make. | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | how come? | 00:03 |
| ckotil | well i need it in the template, this is for my file repository | 00:03 |
| ckotil | its good to have meta data | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | indeed | 00:03 |
| @rizen | there will be no switches, period | 00:03 |
| ckotil | my webgui instance is becoming very customized. | 00:03 |
| ckotil | so every upgrade i gotta make the change again | 00:03 |
| @rizen | as i described on the dev list | 00:03 |
| ckotil | ya ya. | 00:03 |
| ckotil | thats fine. | 00:04 |
| @rizen | if you want a variable | 00:04 |
| @rizen | to come through the loop | 00:04 |
| @rizen | then either the variable in the loop with the same name | 00:04 |
| @rizen | or the outside variable | 00:04 |
| @rizen | has to be renamed | 00:04 |
| @rizen | that's it | 00:04 |
| @rizen | that's the only valid solution | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | the subfolder loop doesn't define a synopsis variable for child folders | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | would that be a bug or an RFE? | 00:04 |
| @rizen | it's a new feature | 00:04 |
| @rizen | rfe | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | note that the default template does call one out. | 00:05 |
| @rizen | just cuz it doesn't do something you want it to do doesn't make it a bug | 00:05 |
| @rizen | ok, allow me to rephrase. | 00:05 |
| @rizen | this is so insiginificant in the greater scheme of things that i wish not to be bothered by it...do what you want | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | gotcha | 00:06 |
| ckotil | thanks anyway | 00:06 |
| @rizen | note that i'm not angry at either of you, just short on time, and could care less about something this small | 00:08 |
| ckotil | of course. | 00:10 |
| ckotil | we knew that | 00:10 |
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| @preaction | what would the consequences be if I added another index to the webgui core? adding an index on the userId column of groupings has drastically improved an expensive query against that table | 01:18 |
| @rizen | no consequences as long as you don't name your index the same as i name indexes | 01:19 |
| @rizen | all indexes in the core are named field1_field2_field3 | 01:19 |
| @rizen | field names separated by underscores | 01:19 |
| @rizen | oh wait | 01:19 |
| @rizen | are you saying adding this to the webgui core | 01:19 |
| @rizen | or to this one app? | 01:20 |
| @rizen | isn't this query only used by one custom app for one client? | 01:20 |
| @rizen | if so, wouldn't it make more sense to just add the index for them | 01:20 |
| @rizen | called it client_field1_field2_field3 | 01:20 |
| @rizen | alter table add index client_field1_field2_field3 (field1, field2, field3); | 01:21 |
| @preaction | it's the contact info tool on the alumni site, yes. but any queries which join the groupings table based only on the userId (getting every group the user is in, so later, in the where clause we can limit them) would probably benefit from this | 01:21 |
| @preaction | i suppose though, if it ain't broke don't fix it | 01:22 |
| @rizen | userId is a primary key | 01:22 |
| @rizen | so it already has it's own index | 01:22 |
| @rizen | oh, but you're saying you want only "userId" in the index an nothing else | 01:23 |
| @preaction | its a dual key with groupId, so only if you're using both will it use the index | 01:23 |
| @rizen | in that case sure add it to the core | 01:23 |
| @rizen | but that doesn't change the fact that you need it on that client site right now, right? | 01:23 |
| @preaction | right, i already made the change on their site | 01:24 |
| @rizen | but make sure that y ou don't name it the same on their site | 01:24 |
| @rizen | so that way the upgrade goes smooth | 01:24 |
| @preaction | which probably means some finagling to make sure the index doesn't already exist (in case other people had this same idea) | 01:24 |
| @rizen | either that or check for it's existence | 01:24 |
| @preaction | at any rate, it'll go on my to-do list after the merge of 7.4 | 01:24 |
| @preaction | have fun at the wedding | 01:24 |
| @rizen | bleh | 01:24 |
| @rizen | later | 01:25 |
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| @preaction | i nominate haarg to play the part of rizen while he's away | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg seems to be the strong, silent type. | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | We need someone more vocal for $rizen->clone(); | 01:26 |
| @Haarg | i don't think i want that job | 01:27 |
| @preaction | perlbot be rizen | 01:27 |
| perlbot | <rizen> WHY USE PEARL!? C IS FASTAR?!?!? | 01:27 |
| @preaction | hmm... doesn't capture the essense | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot be preaction | 01:28 |
| perlbot | <preaction> WHY USE PEARL!? C IS FASTAR?!?!? | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I think his needle is stuck | 01:28 |
| * perlDreamer slaps perlbot with a halibut | 01:28 | |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: wake up, d00d! | 01:28 |
| @preaction | perlbot be perlDreamer | 01:28 |
| perlbot | <perlDreamer> Hi, can I paste this very long script I downloaded and let you fix it for me plz?? | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | that's almost true to form! | 01:29 |
| @preaction | oh, and for the record, mysql performance tuning is more of a pain in the brain than debugging php | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | try writing Perl 6... | 01:35 |
| @preaction | i love p6's syntax, i can't wait until it's ready for prime-time | 01:44 |
| @preaction | of course, some have said that parrot is turning into vaporware | 01:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | I've spent about two weeks trying to volunteer to write tests for them | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Large parts of it are still unspecced | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Larger parts are undocumented | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | It's been frustrating. | 02:01 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:54 |
| +Radix_ | Hiya SD | 16:54 |
| SDuensin | Hey Radix_ | 16:59 |
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| xdanger | O joy.. I just didn't notice that webgui's upgrade related backups contain "USE 'webgui_domain_com';" line and was importing that to a different db, and it overwroted to original... | 17:04 |
| SDuensin | Ouch. | 17:04 |
| xdanger | and, no, I don't have a fresh backup... | 17:04 |
| xdanger | 13days old is the newest... | 17:05 |
| SDuensin | Ouch^2. | 17:05 |
| xdanger | (I was just testing a new backups) | 17:05 |
| xdanger | That client isn't going to like me... | 17:06 |
| xdanger | Well one of theis employee isn't =) | 17:06 |
| xdanger | Her job is to type all the info to the site from excel and/or paper forms ;) | 17:07 |
| +Radix_ | yikes | 17:07 |
| xdanger | and what did we learn from this... BACKUP, BACKUP and BACKUP | 17:15 |
| xdanger | and backup everything before you do anything with mysql =) | 17:15 |
| +Radix_ | I do four hourly backups at work :) | 17:17 |
| +Radix_ | make a complete tar.gz and sql dump every four hours | 17:17 |
| +Radix_ | that's on the machine itself tho - every night the latest one gets stored off on our backup drive which gets mirrored and a copy taken offsite every week | 17:18 |
| pjesi | xdanger: welcome to the club | 17:32 |
| perlmonkey2 | xdanger, if she is typing info manually from excel/paper, why not give her something to automate that task? | 17:57 |
| perlmonkey2 | Perl has a half way decent excel library. | 17:57 |
| xdanger | They haven't asked... and I belive that they're not willing to pay for it.. | 17:58 |
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| pjesi | but then she has nothing to do | 18:30 |
| pjesi | :) | 18:30 |
| xdanger | she's some intern or something... | 18:32 |
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| ckotil | a variable of mine when i try to print it, displays this: WebGUI::Inbox::Message=HASH(0xc03821c) | 21:41 |
| ckotil | how do i get the contents of that hash? | 21:41 |
| ckotil | $self->get("bleh"); | 21:58 |
| SDuensin | Sorry ckotil - I'm a Perl n00b. | 21:59 |
| ckotil | me too ;) | 22:06 |
| @preaction | perldoc perldsc or perldoc perlref (that's an object) | 22:13 |
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| SDuensin | Easy for him to say. | 22:14 |
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| xdanger | use the Data::Dumper luke! | 22:16 |
| xdanger | (my favorite debuggin tool ;)) | 22:17 |
| SDuensin | printf()! | 22:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | ckotil, what you're getting is a hash reference. | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | that is an object | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | so, you could try dereferencing it | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | $session->errorHandler->warn( Data::Dumper $ckotil_hash_ref); | 23:09 |
| @preaction | also may want to read the docs on WebGUI::Inbox::Mail to see what methods you can run on it | 23:21 |
| @preaction | cd /data/WebGUI/lib; perldoc WebGUI::Inbox::Mail; # <-- will suffice if you don't want the pesky code to get in the way | 23:22 |
| @preaction | JT says that soon the WRE will provide a mechanism to browse the perldoc for WebGUI in HTML, so I hope he gets working on that | 23:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: that would be pretty easy to do | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | just configure a passThruUrl for a dir in the root | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | then run podToHtml on the core and dump it in there | 00:37 |
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| @preaction | i RFE'd that and JT said no | 00:48 |
| @preaction | because he's going to make that WRE module | 00:49 |
| @preaction | it's only like 50-100k of docs, but anyway | 00:49 |
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| xdanger | Is the "timed" content feature been removed from webgui? | 04:55 |
| xdanger | that it displays some asset only between startDate and endDate? | 04:56 |
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| +Radix-wrk | yeah, that got removed in the upgrade to WG7 I think | 04:57 |
| xdanger | damn... that would be a nice feature for my next project... | 05:08 |
| +Radix-wrk | You could probably write a workflow to do much the same | 05:08 |
| xdanger | It wouldn't be that hard to add... Just add a colum to assetData and run a workflow against that | 05:09 |
| xdanger | Something like Archive on date functionality | 05:09 |
| +Radix-wrk | you could use asset::creationDate | 05:10 |
| +Radix-wrk | if asset::creationDate > xxx move asset to archived portion of the nav tree or something | 05:11 |
| +Radix-wrk | Just have to be really careful with the stock webgui assets and templates, as you probably don't want to remove them | 05:12 |
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| wgGuest70 | Hey guys | 05:15 |
| wgGuest70 | Does anyone know if Powweb supports WebGui? | 05:16 |
| +Radix-wrk | No idead | 05:19 |
| +Radix-wrk | idea | 05:19 |
| +Radix-wrk | You could ask them, but I think you'll find most hosting accounts don't support webgui unless you can install your own perl libraries and have full shell access | 05:21 |
| wgGuest70 | so, in most instances, its limited strictly to dedicated servers? | 05:34 |
| +Radix-wrk | or hosting servers where you can either install your own perl libraries or get the admins to do it for you. There are also a number of webgui hosting providers too, including plainblack themselves | 05:39 |
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| nuba | heh i remember my first webgui install on a remote site | 06:18 |
| nuba | using cgitelnet.pl | 06:18 |
| +Radix-wrk | lol | 06:19 |
| nuba | cause there was no shell | 06:19 |
| nuba | to install missing modules on the server, i had to install them in a machine i had with the same architecture and kernel and perl, then upload inside webgui's lib | 06:20 |
| nuba | cause i just couldn't find a way to run cpan with cgitelnet | 06:21 |
| +Radix-wrk | heh | 06:21 |
| nuba | besides, i knew little of perl or *nix by then | 06:21 |
| nuba | that was webgui 5.x | 06:21 |
| nuba | thats not something you can do with the 7.x on a cheapo hosting plan with no shell etc | 06:22 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah, you could get that working without mod-perl in those days.. now you need mod-perl/apache2/mysql5, etc.. | 06:22 |
| nuba | lots of stuff in the apache config now | 06:22 |
| nuba | lots of reqs | 06:23 |
| nuba | yup | 06:23 |
| nuba | then, my second webgui install, in a local machine, i was in heaven | 06:24 |
| nuba | it was all so simple, so easy to figure it out | 06:24 |
| +Radix-wrk | I first started with 5.x myself.. | 06:24 |
| nuba | do you have the expression 'donkey in the living room' in the US ? | 06:25 |
| nuba | we have something like that here | 06:25 |
| +Radix-wrk | bull in a china shop? | 06:25 |
| +Radix-wrk | I'm not from the US btw :) | 06:25 |
| nuba | thats how it was, installing webgui in a local machine, after suffering for days on a remote server with no shell | 06:25 |
| +Radix-wrk | I bet :) | 06:26 |
| nuba | well the saying its for when you get a difficult situation, add something to make it even worse, then later you remove that something, and the first situation now all of a sudden looks much nicer | 06:26 |
| +Radix-wrk | I was in heaven after I discovered the WRE personally :) | 06:27 |
| +Radix-wrk | I'd been hacking it up with debian and apt-get'ing some perl packages and using cpan for the rest previously.. was a nightmare | 06:28 |
| nuba | well once i got the gist of it, it was easy | 06:28 |
| nuba | actually i had to go thru a lot, read a lot, experiment, look at the code, the database, etc.. | 06:28 |
| nuba | then at some point i told my boss: i cant take no more, please buy the 'rulling webgui' ebook | 06:29 |
| nuba | he did it, then soon i realized it was too late, i had already learned all the stuff on the ebook, the hard way | 06:29 |
| +Radix-wrk | heh | 06:30 |
| +Radix-wrk | I managed to get my boss to get a support contract | 06:30 |
| nuba | nice | 06:30 |
| +Radix-wrk | sorry.. was afk | 06:42 |
| +Radix-wrk | I learnt heaps once I sat reading everyone's support questions and the answers | 06:43 |
| nuba | i did something like that too | 06:45 |
| nuba | read everything in the public support forums | 06:45 |
| nuba | 'till the last page | 06:46 |
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| nuba | 'night folks | 07:42 |
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| AMH_bob | Good morning! | 15:44 |
| SDuensin | Good morning! | 15:48 |
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| ckotil | bah. snmpd that ships with osx server + the xserve doesnt work. Thanks APPLE! | 17:22 |
| ckotil | :x had a bunk config | 17:28 |
| SDuensin | Probably works with other Macs. | 17:32 |
| AMH_bob | I gave up on doing non-apple/non-adobe stuff on a mac. Trying to use Mac OS X Server version 10.2.8 as webserver was a big wake-up call.... | 17:37 |
| SDuensin | Hmm - not had problems with Apache on a Mac. | 17:42 |
| AMH_bob | It wasn't really apache that was the problem.... but the GUI's from Apple an the 'special'scripts that 'repaired' configurations at startup | 17:44 |
| SDuensin | Oh yea. Well, I don't have OS X Server, so I don't have those tools. | 17:45 |
| AMH_bob | I ended up having to do everything with the commandline... after doing that for three years I moved to Linux :P | 17:45 |
| SDuensin | I went the other way. I treat OS X like I used to do Linux. :-) | 17:46 |
| AMH_bob | Don't get me wrong, I love my Mac and will keep one at home because it is without doubt the best desktop computer in the world. | 17:47 |
| AMH_bob | But for what I'm doing professionally, I preffer Linux | 17:47 |
| SDuensin | Well, my WebGUI is running on CentOS, but I do all my dev for it on my Mac with Coda. | 17:48 |
| AMH_bob | Coda, don't know that one - the program from panic? (Googled it) | 17:49 |
| SDuensin | Yea | 17:50 |
| SDuensin | I do my templates and stuff in it. | 17:50 |
| AMH_bob | Looks good, I'll check that out!!! | 17:50 |
| AMH_bob | I really love TextMate on the Mac - too bad that they won't make that for Linux | 17:50 |
| SDuensin | BBIAF | 17:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | fair warning to y'all. | 07:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I just merged a ton of pending 7.4 stuff | 07:18 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil: a couple of your RFEs included | 07:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlbot: seen preaction | 06:24 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: help | 06:24 |
| perlbot | (fact) : tell (who) about (what) : (what) > (who) : learn (what) as (info) : relearn (fact) as (info) : phone (phone #) : shorten (url) : shorten it : search (keyword) : cpan (module) : docs (module) : perldoc -f (function) : jargon (term) : math (expr): fortune : flip : host (type) (record) : rot13 (text) : roll (die) : tempconv (temp) : scramble (foo) : 8ball (question) : slap (who) : diss (who) : top/bottom (number) karma : geoip (ip) | 06:24 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: when the calendar creates the date for the end of the month, it adds 1 month to the start of the month. | 06:26 |
| +perlDreamer | why not 1 month - 1 second? | 06:26 |
| @preaction | it was changed because 1 month - 1 second seemed to not work | 06:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd like to ask why, but let me explain why I asked first | 06:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm working on the Calendar bug from Graham, about events that span months | 06:27 |
| +perlDreamer | they only show up on the second month | 06:27 |
| +perlDreamer | that's because when they span, they're assigned the end date | 06:28 |
| +perlDreamer | which is in the next month | 06:28 |
| +perlDreamer | which has a day of month of 0 | 06:28 |
| +perlDreamer | so in the final loop in the viewMonth, it goes from day_of_month_0(start date) .. 0 | 06:28 |
| +perlDreamer | which doesn't run since the range is backwards | 06:28 |
| +perlDreamer | How didn't 1month- 1 second not work? | 06:29 |
| @preaction | didn't we fix this by using rata die instead of day_of_month? | 06:29 |
| @preaction | or the julian date or something similar? | 06:29 |
| +perlDreamer | No, we fixed it a completely different way | 06:30 |
| +perlDreamer | if the end date of a returned event is after the end date of the window, it gets assigned to the window. | 06:30 |
| @preaction | and if the startdate is before the startdate of the window? | 06:30 |
| +perlDreamer | likewise | 06:30 |
| @preaction | so that fix isn't working? | 06:31 |
| +perlDreamer | it works fine, aside from the bug mentioned above | 06:31 |
| @preaction | and now i don't even remember why i changed it, i think it was something to do with the week view and the events that span weeks not working correctly | 06:32 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, now I did look at the week view | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | it uses +7 days - 1 second | 06:33 |
| @preaction | or events that occur on the last day of the month not working correctly | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | We need a testing package for the Calendar with all these corner cases already set up. | 06:34 |
| +perlDreamer | I can check the logs for the Calendar, would that help? | 06:35 |
| +perlDreamer | Maybe I should leave it for the professionals to fix :) | 06:35 |
| @preaction | yeah, i'm taking a day tomorrow and a day monday to get the 7.4 prebranch stuff in, i'll add some calendar unit testing to my list | 06:35 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, I'll add to the bug what I've found, just for tracking purposes. | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | What kind of stuff are you going to check in? | 06:38 |
| @preaction | new user profile system that uses a normalized table | 06:39 |
| @preaction | the fix to the calendar for event permissions | 06:39 |
| @preaction | i think the paginator got some new stuff | 06:39 |
| +perlDreamer | I just checked in some stuff for 7.4 for the Paginator. | 06:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Optimizations and refactoring | 06:39 |
| +perlDreamer | I hope it doesn't make merging a headache for you. | 06:41 |
| @preaction | eh, it should all be fine. i saved my changes as a patch, but there are a few changes that are the complete files i'll have to make my own patches | 06:43 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 06:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Can you tell me a little about the normalization for the user profile? How is it normalized? | 06:45 |
| @preaction | one column per user profile field | 06:47 |
| @preaction | instead of doing the crap fieldName, fieldData | 06:47 |
| +perlDreamer | so, basically folding multiple rows into multiple columns? | 06:48 |
| @preaction | yeah | 06:48 |
| +perlDreamer | That should make outside queries much easier. How is it on performance? | 06:49 |
| @preaction | insanely better | 06:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Sweet! Do the user tests still pass? | 06:49 |
| @preaction | didn't check the tests, no | 06:49 |
| @preaction | that goes on the list | 06:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Thanks, man. | 06:49 |
| +perlDreamer | They're probably fine. | 06:50 |
| @preaction | if they do any raw queries of the userProfileData table, then they're going to fail | 06:50 |
| +perlDreamer | well, in that case they're going to fail. There are 3 queries against that table. But they're easy enough to fix. | 06:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I miss the smoke tests | 06:53 |
| @preaction | yeah... i don't know what's up | 06:54 |
| +perlDreamer | JT said he'd look at it, but I know he's busy with training people. | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | First Nik, then James | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | plus, he's in Mexico now | 06:55 |
| @preaction | the lucky git | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | You going to take some time off this summer, or are you slammed? | 06:55 |
| @preaction | i'm training james now on the alumni project, hopefully when he's up to speed we can switch off doing other things | 06:56 |
| @preaction | like vacations or even just some core dev | 06:56 |
| @preaction | that's of course if james can hack it, it's difficult to train some people in advanced programming techniques when they don't really know their way around the shell | 06:57 |
| +perlDreamer | oy | 06:57 |
| +perlDreamer | no shell? | 06:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Windows guy? | 06:57 |
| @preaction | he's a windows guy | 06:57 |
| @preaction | so minimal *nix shell experience | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought that slot was all sys-admin/support work with scripting. | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | How can he do that with no Unix experience? | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | never mind, I'm over the line. | 06:59 |
| @preaction | no, i think graham took that spot | 06:59 |
| @preaction | and i have a feeling that i'll be stepping up into that more as well | 06:59 |
| +perlDreamer | oy, like you need more to do. | 07:00 |
| @preaction | we've got more contracts and such so i imagine james will be added to the client work roster with me | 07:00 |
| @preaction | eh, i already handle the trouble calls, and with JT in mexico i get to set my own policy | 07:01 |
| @preaction | assuming, of course, i can defend it when he gets back ;) | 07:01 |
| +perlDreamer | indeed | 07:01 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Anyone know if webgui will run on a dedicated server with as little as 256mb ram? | 06:30 |
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| sstanvir | hello! | 10:47 |
| sstanvir | anybody home ? | 11:10 |
| +Radix-wrk | Yo | 11:24 |
| sstanvir | hey | 11:24 |
| +Radix-wrk | Wassup? | 11:24 |
| sstanvir | do u know about default login template of webGUI ? | 11:25 |
| +Radix-wrk | yes | 11:25 |
| sstanvir | actually I need to change the style template | 11:25 |
| sstanvir | but I can't find that | 11:26 |
| +Radix-wrk | go to Assets View in admin console | 11:26 |
| +Radix-wrk | then go to Root | 11:26 |
| sstanvir | i found the Auth/WebGUI/Login | 11:27 |
| +Radix-wrk | Import Node->Templates | 11:27 |
| +Radix-wrk | if you're using the ^L macro in your style then you're using a different one than that | 11:27 |
| +Radix-wrk | look at Macro/L_loginBox | 11:27 |
| sstanvir | sorry, didnt get ur point | 11:28 |
| +Radix-wrk | most styles I've come across use the ^L() macro with PBtmpl0000000000000092 | 11:28 |
| sstanvir | Macro/L_loginBox is a folder that has two template | 11:29 |
| sstanvir | horizontal login box and default login box | 11:29 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah, Horizontal Login Box is the most common one I've found | 11:29 |
| +Radix-wrk | that one is AssetID PBtmpl0000000000000092 | 11:30 |
| sstanvir | right | 11:30 |
| sstanvir | so, I want to change the page layout, color etc of login page ..... | 11:31 |
| +Radix-wrk | Oh.. ok.. well that's slightly different then | 11:31 |
| +Radix-wrk | that macro is generally what is used to display the login box on each page | 11:31 |
| sstanvir | yes | 11:32 |
| +Radix-wrk | If you want to set the style of the template itself you set it in Admin Console->Settings->Authentication | 11:33 |
| +Radix-wrk | and at the bottom there you can pick your Login template | 11:33 |
| sstanvir | login page has the "Default WebGUI Login Template" | 11:33 |
| sstanvir | problem is ,, this is the inner part of the page.. | 11:34 |
| sstanvir | not the outer part.. i mean this template doesn't define the style.. | 11:34 |
| +Radix-wrk | it uses whatever your User Function Style is set to I think | 11:34 |
| +Radix-wrk | which is in Admin Console->Settings->UI | 11:34 |
| sstanvir | let me try then | 11:35 |
| sstanvir | man, you are great ! | 11:35 |
| +Radix-wrk | glad to help :) | 11:35 |
| sstanvir | thank you so much.. | 11:36 |
| +Radix-wrk | Do itashimashite :) | 11:36 |
| sstanvir | :) | 11:36 |
| sstanvir | btw.. i want to buy u a drink ;) | 11:36 |
| sstanvir | by any chance, if u come to this part of the world let me know | 11:40 |
| +Radix-wrk | hehe | 11:46 |
| +Radix-wrk | sounds like a plan! | 11:46 |
| +Radix-wrk | I do hope to get back to japan some day, loved it when I was there last time! :) | 11:46 |
| +Radix-wrk | Off home now.. bye! :) | 11:49 |
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