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| wgGuest39 | hello | 23:50 |
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| wgGuest39 | i need help | 23:51 |
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| ckotil | any reason why I cant return www_managePendingVersions() instead of www_manageVersions() at the end of www_approveVersionTag() ? it takes me to the adminOnly() screen...and im admin. any ideas? | 02:01 |
| ckotil | im working in Operations/ VersionTag.pm | 02:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | Using WebGUI::Form, how do you change the text shown in a button from Save to something else? | 07:16 |
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| pjesi | morgning | 13:36 |
| pjesi | I finally managed to figure out what got fubar after updating to .18 | 13:37 |
| pjesi | the CS table has not been migrated | 13:39 |
| pjesi | so SQL statements fails | 13:39 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:20 |
| ckotil | hello | 16:36 |
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| SDuensin | Hi ckotil & AMH_bob | 16:40 |
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| AMH_bob | Good morning! | 16:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | Hey, folks | 20:28 |
| SDuensin | Hey perlDreamer | 20:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I've been buried in chips. Anything cool happening out here? | 20:32 |
| SDuensin | Not that I've noticed. :-/ | 20:34 |
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| @rizen | I'm socially retarded | 22:38 |
| * SDuensin chuckles | 22:38 | |
| +perlDreamer | How do you figure? | 22:41 |
| @rizen | you tell me, i'm the retarded one | 22:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm no better | 22:42 |
| SDuensin | You're both nuts. | 22:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Besides, you're part geek, and it's just part of the package | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | And, of course, we have to be extra patient with java-hacking geeks | 22:44 |
| SDuensin | Yea! Those lamers! | 22:45 |
| @rizen | one of these days colin, pow! straight to the moon. | 22:45 |
| * SDuensin has been in C++ and Lua lately. | 22:45 | |
| SDuensin | Colin? | 22:46 |
| @rizen | sduensin needs to be studying perl and yui so he can make webgui desktop | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes. | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | Abandon you're java follies and stay on the true path! | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | There is no J in LAMP | 22:46 |
| SDuensin | Unfortunately, there is no LAMP at WORK. | 22:46 |
| * perlDreamer notes that there is no P in WORK | 22:47 | |
| @rizen | step 1: become bruce wayne wealthy | 22:47 |
| @rizen | step 2: build webgui desktop in your newfound free time | 22:47 |
| SDuensin | Tell ya what. You provide #1 and I'll gladly do #2. | 22:48 |
| nuba | heh | 22:48 |
| +perlDreamer | ditto | 22:48 |
| +perlDreamer | ala Mark Shuttleworth | 22:48 |
| +perlDreamer | see, we even know the strategy works | 22:48 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: feel like helping me close some bugs? Do you have time? | 22:49 |
| @rizen | i neither feel like it nor have the time for it, or i'd be doing it myself...but if you pose questions i'll do my best to respond with something that simulates an answer | 22:51 |
| +perlDreamer | Is it a bug if there someone sets the user session timeout to 0? This causes people to be automatically logged out after logging in. | 22:52 |
| @rizen | so is your question, if they are an idiot, should we let them be, or should we protect them from themselves? | 22:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes :) I'm leaning toward letting them shoot themselves, and suggesting they put in an rfe for a 15 minute minimum. | 22:55 |
| @rizen | rfe it is | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Next one. When a package is deployed, hidden assets become visible. Is this by design, or is it a bug? | 23:00 |
| @rizen | yung is already working on that one | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | How about the byte ordering problem with the Poll and Storable? | 23:02 |
| @rizen | no idea what you're talking about | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | A user switched from a G4 to an Intel Xserve, both running OS X. Storable started complaining about byte ordering inside of the Poll, relating to the Graph module. | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/polls-not-working-on-os-x-intel#XL71AxwxkpvKi5to2Iu7kA | 23:08 |
| @rizen | that's a problem with Storable | 23:12 |
| @rizen | nothing we can do about it | 23:12 |
| @rizen | it's a known issue with using storable. the only option we would have is to switch everybody to using some text based serialization system rather than a binary one like storable | 23:13 |
| +perlDreamer | Like JSON, YAML or Dumper. | 23:13 |
| @rizen | yup | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | And we use Storable all over the place. | 23:14 |
| * SDuensin likes JSON. | 23:15 | |
| +perlDreamer | It does mean that WebGUI packages are not cross platform. | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Polls, Events, SQLForms, SyndicatedContent, WSClient all use Storable. | 23:17 |
| @rizen | Packages don't use storable | 23:17 |
| @rizen | they use json | 23:17 |
| @rizen | for that very reason | 23:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Some of the Assets store Storable blobs in the db. | 23:19 |
| @rizen | fine, but that doesn't mean the package system is compromised | 23:23 |
| @rizen | it means those assets are | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | right, only packages with assets that store stuff in the db are not portable. | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | So far, that only appears to be the Poll | 23:24 |
| @rizen | you should kick mrhairgrease in the nutz for that one | 23:25 |
| SDuensin | Can't you just patch Storable? | 23:26 |
| @rizen | can't you just tell a 32bit system to be a 64 bit system | 23:30 |
| SDuensin | You can, but it'll just giggle. | 23:31 |
| @rizen | then you understand why you can't patch storable | 23:31 |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer said it was an endian problem. Not a data size problem. | 23:31 |
| SDuensin | Big difference. :-) | 23:32 |
| @rizen | i'm not saying it's a 32 bit vs 64 bit problem | 23:32 |
| @rizen | i'm saying it's an architecture problem | 23:32 |
| @rizen | it's not something that can be fixed | 23:32 |
| @rizen | it's simply the difference between two platforms | 23:32 |
| SDuensin | Sounds like Storable is kinda crappy. :-) | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | Not crappy, just not portable. | 23:35 |
| SDuensin | Not portable IS crappy! | 23:35 |
| * SDuensin is Mr. Portable. | 23:35 | |
| @rizen | no, sduensin is mr potable | 23:36 |
| * SDuensin suppresses rude comments about rizen "drinking" him. | 23:36 | |
| @rizen | you like things to be drinkable, don't you? | 23:36 |
| SDuensin | Yes. And when my C++ compiler comes out later tonight, I *WILL* be drinking. :-) | 23:37 |
| SDuensin | OK, it's weekend time! Later all! | 23:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | You still buried, rizen? | 23:59 |
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| @rizen | always man | 00:00 |
| @rizen | always | 00:00 |
| @rizen | it's what happens when you try to grow a company into an empire | 00:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | whoa, a perlbot | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: in the Image asset, why does setSize take the greater of the extra input or the file? | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | my $size = ($input > $storage->getFileSize($self->get("filename"))) ? $input : $storage->getFileSize($self->get("filename")); | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | It's really old, rev 3 code | 01:41 |
| @rizen | i believe it's because input is always zero unless it is bigger | 01:42 |
| @rizen | so it's a non zero test | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I've been working on SDuensin's file sizing bug (assets report the wrong size after commit). That method is causing the bug. I tested discarding the one from Image and inheriting from File and it works fine. | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you see anything I should be wary of? | 01:47 |
| @rizen | ok | 01:48 |
| @rizen | sounds fine | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Sweet! | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | --bug | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll work on backporting it to 7.3 then. | 01:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | crud. ++bug | 02:14 |
| +perlDreamer | back to the whiteboard | 02:14 |
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| cap10morgan | i have an ubuntu feisty build of the wre to contribute. where do i upload that again? | 02:54 |
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| cap10morgan | rizen? | 03:03 |
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| @rizen | cap10morgan | 05:17 |
| +Radix_ | hey.. got a wre setup with multiple sites on it. I have a main website www.mydomain.com and several subsites - s1.mydomain, s2.mydomain, etc. I've configured mydomain.com to go to www.mydomain in hosts/webgui config etc, but it always seems to go to the config that's loaded first alphabetically regardless. | 05:29 |
| @rizen | yup | 05:30 |
| @rizen | it's because you didn't do it right | 05:30 |
| @rizen | that's all the help i can provide | 05:30 |
| +Radix_ | Any easy way to fix it? or do I have to use the modproxy config on the site that's receiving it and redirect it there? | 05:30 |
| +Radix_ | :P | 05:31 |
| @rizen | ok, i suppose i can tell you | 05:31 |
| @rizen | the most likely culprit is in your either the last line in your modproxy config for each of your sites, or the ServerName line in the individual modperl files | 05:31 |
| @rizen | for example | 05:32 |
| @rizen | in s1.example.com.modproxy | 05:32 |
| @rizen | you should have ServerName s1.example.ccom | 05:32 |
| +Radix_ | atm it's just what the wre generated via addsite | 05:33 |
| @rizen | and RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://%{HTTP_HOST}:81/$1 [P] | 05:33 |
| @rizen | then in modperl you should have Servername s1.example.com | 05:33 |
| @rizen | and in the rewrite rule instead of %{HTTP_HOST} you might have the actual host name | 05:34 |
| @rizen | and if those are all true | 05:34 |
| @rizen | then the next place to look is local dns | 05:34 |
| @rizen | if your local dns doesn't match your external dns, then you'll have problems | 05:35 |
| @rizen | in most cases local dns is nothing more than /etc/hosts | 05:35 |
| SDuensin | Hey rizen - waaaay off topic, but are you a video gamer? If so, this will be funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfkDxF2kn1I (If not, it's still funny!) | 05:35 |
| @rizen | but sometimes people actually run named on their local box too | 05:35 |
| +Radix_ | Bleh.. I just found some serveralias mydomain.com in each of the modproxy files - that has probably caused it | 05:36 |
| +Radix_ | typical, as soon as get frustrated enough to ask for help I find the source myself :) | 05:36 |
| @rizen | yeah, stop asking for help | 05:37 |
| +Radix_ | hehe.. thanks :) | 05:37 |
| +Radix_ | found a bug in the ubuntu 6.10 wre setup btw | 05:39 |
| +Radix_ | the default spectre.conf file has a missing comma in it | 05:39 |
| @rizen | that's in all 0.7.2 releases | 05:40 |
| +Radix_ | actually.. that may be 7.3.18 instead actually.. since that'd be where that file came from | 05:40 |
| @rizen | it's fixed in wre 0.8.0 | 05:40 |
| +Radix_ | I added it to the wre installation wiki page | 05:40 |
| +Radix_ | along with the force install weather::com::finder steps which are needed for the current wre too | 05:41 |
| @rizen | SD, why oh why would you waste 4 minutes of my life like that | 05:41 |
| @rizen | i'll never get that time back | 05:41 |
| SDuensin | Because it's FUNNY! | 05:43 |
| @rizen | ok, it was kinda funny...but i'm researching CAS | 05:44 |
| @rizen | i must have concentration...not funny | 05:45 |
| @rizen | be sure to check plainblack.com on monday morning | 05:46 |
| SDuensin | CAS? As in CAS before RAS? | 05:46 |
| @rizen | CAS = Central Authentication Services | 05:47 |
| SDuensin | Eh, mine has something to do with RAM. Never did understand it. :-) | 05:47 |
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| perlDreame1 | Hey, folk.s | 21:06 |
| perlDreame1 | How do you draw good people to a BOF type conference session. | 21:06 |
| @rizen | i'm not sure they're all folks | 21:06 |
| perlDreame1 | Food? | 21:06 |
| @rizen | some might be sirs | 21:06 |
| perlDreame1 | Schwag? | 21:06 |
| perlDreame1 | Empty promises and glitz? | 21:07 |
| @rizen | or ma'am | 21:07 |
| @rizen | beer!!! | 21:07 |
| perlDreame1 | I'm thinking of doing a BOF session at OSCON this year | 21:07 |
| @rizen | are bof's done in hallway space at oscon, or do you get a room like they do at apache con? | 21:07 |
| perlDreame1 | They're done in rooms | 21:08 |
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| perlDreame1 | http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2007/create/e_sess?x-t=os2007_BoF.form | 21:08 |
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| wjw61 | evening rizen | 02:38 |
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| ckotil | rizen: I have a CAS authentication module for webgui | 22:43 |
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| @rizen | anybody actually here? need an opinion | 23:19 |
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| xdanger | yup | 23:27 |
| @rizen | Ok, we have the section of our site called "Store" right now, which contains product and service descriptions, as well as lets you buy our products and services | 23:28 |
| @rizen | my question is, is that word descriptive enough | 23:28 |
| @rizen | my favorite word for this link is "offerings" | 23:28 |
| @rizen | but i don't think that it's a good word | 23:29 |
| @rizen | for the general public | 23:29 |
| @rizen | other options would be products, shop, services | 23:29 |
| @rizen | unfortunately there isn't enough room in the menu for "products and services" | 23:29 |
| @rizen | i know this might seem like a trivial thing...but i keep getting complaints that people say that they can't find anything on our site, so i'm trying to make some positive changes | 23:30 |
| @rizen | and this area isn't one i've gotten any suggestions on | 23:30 |
| xdanger | Shop is quite descriptive | 23:30 |
| xdanger | but it's Store in other form... | 23:31 |
| @rizen | being an international user, does one have better meaning to you than the other? | 23:31 |
| xdanger | Offerings doesn't sound so nice for some reason... | 23:32 |
| @rizen | they mean virtually the same thing to the average user here | 23:32 |
| @rizen | no i mean "shop" vs "store" | 23:32 |
| xdanger | Shop is something that many recognices... | 23:33 |
| xdanger | it's more friendly | 23:33 |
| @rizen | k | 23:33 |
| ckotil | what about 'Online Store' | 23:41 |
| ckotil | what were you researching CAS for? | 23:41 |
| ckotil | we have been thinking of dumping CAS and switchign to Cosign | 23:41 |
| @rizen | since it's on our site i think "Online" would be redundant | 23:42 |
| ckotil | but if its a problem of clarity, it would solve that | 23:43 |
| @rizen | i want to implement some single sign on stuff into webgui so that it can be better integrated into various enterprises and also so that you can single sign on between various webgui sites | 23:43 |
| ckotil | right on. | 23:43 |
| ckotil | single sign on between sights has been a problem for me | 23:43 |
| ckotil | between domains really | 23:43 |
| ckotil | even tho i have a single webgui instance for multiple domains, since the cookies are separate from one another it forces users to click the cas login button everytime they switch domains | 23:44 |
| ckotil | dunno an elegant solution for that. | 23:45 |
| @rizen | ah, well i have a solution for that now | 23:45 |
| @rizen | it's built in to 7.4 | 23:45 |
| ckotil | awsome | 23:45 |
| @rizen | you can see it in action on plainblack.com right now | 23:45 |
| @rizen | in the upper right corner you can click on the webgui icon | 23:45 |
| @rizen | and it will single sign you on to the webgui.org domain | 23:46 |
| @rizen | completely transparent to the user | 23:46 |
| ckotil | very nice. | 23:46 |
| ckotil | you think it will play nicely with my CAS.pm authentication plugin/ | 23:46 |
| @rizen | it's a quick and dirty solution for multiple sites on the same database | 23:46 |
| ckotil | thats my setup | 23:46 |
| @rizen | oh yeah, your cas plugin won't even know about this | 23:47 |
| @rizen | it will work perfectly | 23:47 |
| ckotil | sweet. | 23:47 |
| @rizen | you're welcome to pull the changes you need out of svn and apply them to 7.3.18 if you want | 23:47 |
| ckotil | im tempted to | 23:47 |
| ckotil | if only i had the same multi domain setup on my dev site | 23:48 |
| ckotil | ill just wait for the official release | 23:48 |
| @rizen | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=4181 | 23:48 |
| @rizen | coolio | 23:48 |
| ckotil | interesting..only 3 files | 23:48 |
| ckotil | hehe tempting | 23:48 |
| @rizen | it's quite elegant | 23:49 |
| @rizen | only about 15 lines of code in all | 23:49 |
| ckotil | are you manipulating the cookie? | 23:49 |
| @rizen | nope | 23:49 |
| @rizen | it's all done inside the webgui session system | 23:49 |
| ckotil | cool. | 23:50 |
| @rizen | i just link the session from one domain to the other one | 23:50 |
| @rizen | so that you can use the same session in both domains | 23:50 |
| ckotil | thats great. | 23:50 |
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| +crythias | ok. What did I miss? | 00:11 |
| @rizen | only everything | 00:11 |
| +crythias | Figures. No more forum on pb.com? | 00:12 |
| @rizen | we talked about the new pb/wg sites, single sign on | 00:12 |
| @rizen | opinions were asked for and given | 00:12 |
| @rizen | the world came to an end and then began again | 00:12 |
| @rizen | the only forum on plainblack.com is the support forum | 00:12 |
| @rizen | all community stuff has been moved to the other site | 00:12 |
| +crythias | other... site? | 00:13 |
| @rizen | click the wg logo in the upper right corner of pb | 00:13 |
| +crythias | man, I have been out of it. | 00:13 |
| +crythias | ok, so ... no autoredirect for www.plainblack.com/discuss? bummer :( | 00:14 |
| @rizen | i can do that quick | 00:14 |
| @rizen | just didn't think about it | 00:14 |
| +crythias | webgi.org conference logo is beauty, but goes nowhere. | 00:16 |
| +crythias | webgui.org... | 00:16 |
| @rizen | the site's not done yet | 00:17 |
| +crythias | :) ok. | 00:17 |
| @rizen | we're doing it over the weekend so it's ready on monday | 00:17 |
| +crythias | ah. | 00:17 |
| @rizen | you'll note that the front page has no content either | 00:17 |
| +crythias | lo siento | 00:17 |
| @rizen | there, your redirect is in place | 00:17 |
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| +crythias | :) | 00:21 |
| wgGuest78 | what does it take to get ops on this channel | 00:21 |
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| ckotil | ... | 00:25 |
| @preaction | i need to find an IRC client that will warn me about clones | 00:26 |
| ckotil | http://irssi.org/scripts/scripts/clones.pl | 00:32 |
| @rizen | just so you can catch me when i do evil things? | 00:51 |
| @preaction | you didn't even give me time to come up with an appropriately witty response | 00:51 |
| @rizen | i figured if i hung around too long someone would catch on to me | 00:51 |
| ckotil | i was typing a response | 00:52 |
| ckotil | ya, then i noticed the ip | 00:52 |
| @preaction | you don't know about /whowas <nick> ? | 00:52 |
| @rizen | so i take it your computer is all fixed | 00:53 |
| @preaction | colloquy doesn't support it, but if you open the server console you can see the reply | 00:53 |
| ckotil | ohh whowas, thats new to me | 00:53 |
| ckotil | i use irssi | 00:53 |
| ckotil | it rocks | 00:53 |
| @preaction | yeah, 6 hours of driving and mucking about with my car, 4 hours of driving, 10 seconds in the store to pick up the A/C adapter | 00:53 |
| ckotil | ive got one of those ;) | 00:54 |
| ckotil | i take the laptop w/ gps along with me on long trips | 00:54 |
| @preaction | ooh, that's a good idea | 00:54 |
| ckotil | it rocks , i use M$ trips 2007 | 00:55 |
| ckotil | im planning on getting that iphone, might make my laptop/gps setup obsolete | 00:55 |
| @preaction | i hear supply shortages, so i'm not going to hold my breath for one | 00:56 |
| ckotil | yeah.. | 00:56 |
| ckotil | i think work is placing a bulk order on some | 00:56 |
| ckotil | i hope that pulls through | 00:56 |
| @rizen | i'm going to be camping out to get one | 00:58 |
| ckotil | nice | 01:01 |
| ckotil | heading out to a bbq. | 01:04 |
| +Radix_ | rizen: can you rank my RFE when you get a chance - http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/ability-to-move-changes-from-one-version-tag-to-another#8IN0PZcA38N4nAE3-6i7kg | 01:49 |
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| perlDreame1 | I need somebody with 7.4 running to help me verify a bug. | 01:50 |
| perlDreame1 | According to wG, Admin's uiLevel is 5 | 01:50 |
| perlDreame1 | even though in the db it says that it is 9 | 01:50 |
| perlDreame1 | There's an easy way to test it | 01:50 |
| perlDreame1 | Fire up wG | 01:50 |
| perlDreame1 | Turn on Admin | 01:50 |
| perlDreame1 | then check the New Content section of the Admin Bar | 01:50 |
| perlDreame1 | if you don't have the SQL Report in that list, then the UI level is not 9 | 01:51 |
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| xdanger | So I have a cs with CommitWithApproval.. and when I'm trying to commit, it warns that: Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::VersionTag::www_approveVersionTag. Root cause: Can't locate object method "setApproved" via package "WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::CommitVersionTag" at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/VersionTag.pm line 63. | 02:42 |
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| @rizen | that means that you're trying to run setApproved on the workflow activity | 03:56 |
| @rizen | when you need to run it on the version tag | 03:57 |
| @rizen | you're doing $self->setApproved | 03:57 |
| @rizen | you need $versionTag->setApproved; | 03:57 |
| @rizen | or rather...not you..but the workflow engine | 03:58 |
| @rizen | i'm looking at the code for that module though | 03:58 |
| @rizen | and it looks good | 03:58 |
| @rizen | nevermind | 03:59 |
| @rizen | i think i see what's going on here | 04:00 |
| @rizen | xdanger, are you even still here? | 04:00 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 04:03 |
| @rizen | howdy | 04:03 |
| SDuensin | Hey bud. | 04:04 |
| @rizen | radix: don't know if you're here or not | 04:40 |
| @rizen | but if you are check out webgui.org | 04:40 |
| @rizen | your new people behind webgui banner is BAD ASS | 04:41 |
| @rizen | you almost look like a super hero | 04:41 |
| vayde | looks sweet | 04:42 |
| +Radix-wrk | hehe | 04:42 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I am a super hero ;) | 04:43 |
| +Radix-wrk | "wG hero"! :) | 04:43 |
| +Radix-wrk | :) | 04:45 |
| @rizen | what do you guys think of the new wg site? | 04:45 |
| +Radix-wrk | I like it, though the logo blends in with the yellow a bit much I think | 04:46 |
| +Radix-wrk | White on Yellow isn't that easy to read | 04:46 |
| +Radix-wrk | http://webgui.org/uploads/LK/h9/LKh9er8DR3b1qsuuw0FdkA/corner.jpg | 04:47 |
| vayde | yeah, you have to squint to read it | 04:47 |
| +Radix-wrk | "Web Done Right" - should be in black I reckon | 04:47 |
| @rizen | i've passed your feedback on to our designer | 04:47 |
| @rizen | actually though | 04:48 |
| @rizen | i was talking more about the ability to find things | 04:48 |
| @rizen | now that "community" has been seperated from "content" | 04:48 |
| +Radix-wrk | Love the new menu structure on the side | 04:48 |
| @rizen | s/content/commerce/ | 04:49 |
| +Radix-wrk | Much easier to navigate around in | 04:49 |
| +Radix-wrk | Are you going to add a section for webgui hosting companies (including plainblack obviously) anywhere? | 04:50 |
| @rizen | maybe | 04:51 |
| @rizen | i guess it would depend upon what the community wants...and how it benefits us | 04:51 |
| @rizen | we have been talking about letting other webgui professionals buy banners in the space where your super hero banner is | 04:52 |
| @rizen | radix do you host sites for people? | 05:04 |
| @rizen | is that why you asked? | 05:04 |
| +Radix-wrk | kinda | 05:06 |
| +Radix-wrk | I've just started a sideline - doing a few sites for family/friends really atm and hoping to do more in future | 05:07 |
| +Radix-wrk | I'm using webgui for it all, and enjoying doing it so far | 05:07 |
| +Radix-wrk | it's very small scale at the moment.. just in my spare time - and will be like that for a while I suspect | 05:08 |
| +Radix-wrk | atm an advert would be too much for me right now, I've got more than enough work to last me until I go to europe - but perhaps in future | 05:09 |
| @rizen | i always have to weigh these types of decisions...and they always hurt | 05:13 |
| @rizen | on one hand, it probably would be good for community growth if we provided a list of hosters somewhere | 05:13 |
| @rizen | and what's good for the community is usually good for plain black, though in varing degrees | 05:13 |
| @rizen | on the other hand, i have to look out for a number 1: plain black, cuz without pb turning a profit, there is no webgui, and therefore no community | 05:14 |
| +Radix-wrk | Yeah, I completely understand | 05:14 |
| +Radix-wrk | I'm not really fussed either way, was just asking really. | 05:15 |
| @rizen | i know | 05:16 |
| +Radix-wrk | Atm there doesn't even seem to be any links to you guys even for custom devel/hosting | 05:16 |
| @rizen | but these kinds of questions vex me regardless of the intent of the person asking | 05:16 |
| +Radix-wrk | Yeah, I know | 05:16 |
| @rizen | there are at least two links to us on every page | 05:17 |
| @rizen | upper right corner, and the copyright | 05:17 |
| @rizen | but no, there's no real advertising of our services on this site | 05:17 |
| @rizen | the idea behind the split was to make this the "community's" web site | 05:17 |
| @rizen | so community stuff goes here | 05:17 |
| @rizen | and plain black services stuff goes on our site | 05:17 |
| +Radix-wrk | yep | 05:17 |
| @rizen | its a pretty stark contrast to anything we've ever done before | 05:18 |
| @rizen | i hope it works out in our favor | 05:18 |
| @rizen | "our" being both pb and the community | 05:18 |
| +Radix-wrk | yup | 05:18 |
| +Radix-wrk | I do too :) | 05:18 |
| ckotil | it sounds like a good idea | 05:19 |
| vayde | succeed or fail, ya gotta try new things | 05:19 |
| @rizen | over the next six months we're going to be doing a lot of new things that no one has ever seen us do before | 05:19 |
| @rizen | internally it's called the plan of 8 | 05:19 |
| @rizen | 8 big changes | 05:19 |
| @rizen | and this is number 1 | 05:19 |
| +Radix-wrk | sounds interesting :) | 05:20 |
| ckotil | awsome. | 05:20 |
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| @rizen | radix | 08:53 |
| +Radix-wrk | yes? | 08:53 |
| @rizen | talked it over with our director of operations...and i think we are going to allow a list of hosters on the site | 08:54 |
| @rizen | for free | 08:54 |
| @rizen | i shouldn't say "I think", I should say, "we are" | 08:54 |
| +Radix-wrk | Sounds good | 08:54 |
| @rizen | it's going to be in the form of a wiki page so people can add themselves to the list | 08:55 |
| +Radix-wrk | I thought of that earlier when we were talking about it.. long as people respect the wiki and don't go adding themselves to the top of the list and stuff | 08:55 |
| +Radix-wrk | that'd be my only fear with that | 08:56 |
| @rizen | I'm going to put some instructions in the wiki page...hopefully people will follow the instructions. | 08:56 |
| @rizen | if not, we'll have to kill the page | 08:56 |
| +Radix-wrk | Why not just add a page that you control and an email method for ppl to add themselves? | 08:57 |
| @rizen | because we don't want to have an approval process on it. the act of doing that is almost like an endorsement of their service | 08:57 |
| @rizen | and we're not going to vet the hosters | 08:57 |
| +Radix-wrk | I suppose a wiki is more manageable and yeah, fair enough | 08:57 |
| +Radix-wrk | always a chance that people will regard that as censorship, etc, etc.. | 08:58 |
| +Radix-wrk | Okey.. well when it gets set up I'll put my name down I guess ;) | 08:58 |
| +Radix-wrk | Been enjoying doing a few websites from scratch with webgui lately - not really done that much before | 08:59 |
| @rizen | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/hosters | 09:05 |
| @rizen | hopefully the rules are clear enough | 09:06 |
| @rizen | and hopefully people will follow them | 09:06 |
| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. alphabetical huh.. then mine would be on top | 09:06 |
| @rizen | that's good news for you | 09:06 |
| +Radix-wrk | no no.. I'm too small and too busy at the moment :) | 09:07 |
| +Radix-wrk | I'll add myself later when there's more people for me to get lost in :) | 09:07 |
| @rizen | i think the only fair way to do it is alphabetically | 09:07 |
| +Radix-wrk | Yeah, makes sense. | 09:07 |
| +Radix-wrk | Do you remember the website theme that I won the recent style contest with? See if you recognise it now - http://tenpart.juga.biz/ | 09:10 |
| @rizen | it looks pretty similar, just with a logo and a little color chnage | 09:11 |
| @rizen | it was a good design | 09:11 |
| +Radix-wrk | it's site I'm doing for my step-dad's band | 09:11 |
| @rizen | they have a cool logo | 09:11 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah, it's a beautiful style to work with | 09:11 |
| @rizen | it's good that you can reuse your work like that | 09:12 |
| +Radix-wrk | yup - that's why I love webgui so much - it lets me reuse stuff :) | 09:12 |
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| pjesi | morning | 13:05 |
| pjesi | did you move everything to the wiki? | 13:10 |
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| @rizen | define "everything" | 18:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning folks | 18:45 |
| @rizen | morning | 18:49 |
| ckotil | hello | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | what's happening in the www? (Wide World of WebGUI) | 18:51 |
| ckotil | Things are running smooth for me. | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil: would you mind manually running a wG test for me? | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | You'd need to have a copy of 7.4 laying around. | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | If you don't, then it wouldn't work. | 18:53 |
| ckotil | sure thing | 18:54 |
| ckotil | i dont mind doing it on my dev instance | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | head over to /data/WebGUI/t | 18:54 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 18:57 |
| +perlDreamer | howdy | 18:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Seen the new webgui.org website? | 18:57 |
| SDuensin | Yep. I wasn't ready for it last night and nearly went blind! | 18:58 |
| @rizen | what? | 18:58 |
| SDuensin | All that yellow in a dark room! | 18:58 |
| @rizen | pd, should have my wre working in the next few minutes | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | sweet! | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I did some digging around last night, and it sound like my NMI problem may be hardware related, or it could be just X.org having problems. | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Some people said it was memory. | 19:01 |
| @rizen | you said that if i log in with admin | 19:19 |
| @rizen | i won't see sql report | 19:19 |
| @rizen | right? | 19:19 |
| @rizen | cuz of the ui level problem? | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | That's one way to see the problem. | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | The other way is to run t/Session.t | 19:20 |
| @rizen | i do see the sql report | 19:20 |
| @rizen | running the test now | 19:20 |
| @rizen | all tests successful | 19:21 |
| @rizen | checked out full svn at 10:30am (central) and reset the database at that time | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll close the bug then. | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | It would be cool to get a new laptop, but expensive | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I wonder what service times and costs are like... | 19:26 |
| ckotil | get a macbook pro and dont worry about service | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm a self-avowed linux bigot. | 19:27 |
| ckotil | osx is similiar to unix and you get an awsome gui | 19:28 |
| ckotil | toss parallels into the mix and you have one of the most versative OS's ever | 19:28 |
| ckotil | im installing vista as we speak to my mac | 19:28 |
| ckotil | windows xp runs better on the mac that it does on my desktop at home | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I've heard OSX is very, very cool, but I prefer to run free software. | 19:30 |
| ckotil | me too | 19:30 |
| ckotil | most of it is free | 19:30 |
| @rizen | gotta go, be back in a bit | 19:35 |
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| wjw61 | hungry? | 20:08 |
| @RizenHasTheMunch | yup...must go to lunch soon | 20:09 |
| wjw61 | When you get back, I have a few questions... will watch for you here... | 20:09 |
| @RizenHasTheMunch | are they short? | 20:10 |
| wjw61 | probably not... :-) | 20:10 |
| @RizenHasTheMunch | hehe | 20:10 |
| wjw61 | lol | 20:10 |
| @RizenHasTheMunch | ok | 20:10 |
| @RizenHasTheMunch | so as i was walking out the door i realised i don't have time to go out for lunch cuz i have a meeting at 1pm | 20:17 |
| @RizenHasTheMunch | then i looked in my kitchen and realised i didn't have any good food cuz i haven't been to the store in a week and a half | 20:17 |
| @RizenHasTheMunch | so i'm going to have to settle for 2 carrots and a bowl of cereal | 20:18 |
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| @rizen | go ahead and ask your question | 20:18 |
| wjw61 | I noticed a new binary for ubuntu feisty .... have had some trouble getting CVS_XS to compile... does the new binary include it? | 20:19 |
| @rizen | no | 20:20 |
| @rizen | it is wre 0.7.2, so it's the same as all other versions of that release | 20:20 |
| @rizen | has the same modules | 20:20 |
| wjw61 | ok... will probably install it anyway... but won't be a priority now... next item... | 20:21 |
| wjw61 | I suspect I made by modifying the dev.localhost.localdomain site when playing around. I think I should have made a new site and left dev.x.x alone... | 20:22 |
| @rizen | are you saying your broke dev.localhost? | 20:23 |
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| wjw61 | no.. it works just fine... | 20:23 |
| @rizen | the sentence above doesn't make any sense | 20:23 |
| @rizen | reread then clarify | 20:24 |
| wjw61 | what I am attempting to do is have /data/WebGUI be controlled via svn. When I check out however, mod-perl breaks... | 20:24 |
| +crythias | that's like spooky | 20:25 |
| wjw61 | I have yet to track down why it won't start with a fresh svn update... perhaps I should not check out from HEAD? | 20:25 |
| @rizen | do these steps | 20:25 |
| @rizen | cd /data/ | 20:25 |
| @rizen | mv WebGUI WebGUI.old | 20:25 |
| @rizen | svn co https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI | 20:25 |
| @rizen | cp WebGUI.old/etc/*.conf WebGUI/etc/ | 20:26 |
| @rizen | cd sbin | 20:26 |
| @rizen | perl testEnvironment.pl | 20:26 |
| @rizen | that last bit should tell you if you're missing any perl modules | 20:26 |
| wjw61 | ok,... this is what I have been doing, but will give it a shot again.. brb | 20:28 |
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| @rizen | if testEnvironment.pl fails to install the perl modules then you should do it the old fashioned way | 20:28 |
| @rizen | cpan | 20:28 |
| @rizen | install PMName | 20:28 |
| wjw61 | ..:-) yup.. tried that too... they fail to compile... | 20:29 |
| wjw61 | ... will however attempt it again... | 20:30 |
| xdanger | rizen: you had a suggestion to my problem? | 20:32 |
| @rizen | refresh my memory, what is your problem? | 20:32 |
| xdanger | < xdanger> So I have a cs with CommitWithApproval.. and when I'm trying to commit, it warns that: Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::VersionTag::www_approveVersionTag. Root cause: Can't locate object method "setApproved" via package "WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::CommitVersionTag" at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/VersionTag.pm line 63. | 20:33 |
| @rizen | oh right well the problem is that it's trying to execute setApproved on the CommitVersionTag activity, except that its the wrong activity. it should be doing that on the RequestApprovalForVersionTag activity | 20:35 |
| @rizen | i looked through the code and couldn't figure out why it would get into the state that it's in | 20:35 |
| @rizen | so the only thing i'm left with is either you've discovered a massive bug in the workflow engine that nobody else has discovered in a year of using it | 20:36 |
| @rizen | or you have edited your workflows in such a way that they are no longer working properly | 20:36 |
| @rizen | i suppose there could be also something that i'm just not seeing, but those seem to be the most likely options | 20:37 |
| wjw61 | rizen.. is Config::JSON a relatively new requirement for wre? | 20:46 |
| @rizen | yes. it's not even a requirement for wre 0.7.2 | 20:51 |
| @rizen | only for 0.8.0 | 20:51 |
| @rizen | which isn't out yet | 20:51 |
| +perlDreamer | --bug | 20:51 |
| @rizen | ++++++++++++++bug | 20:51 |
| wjw61 | hmm.. when running testEnvironment.pl.. that is the error I get... | 20:51 |
| @rizen | pd, i'm adding bugs faster than you can fix them | 20:52 |
| @rizen | right, cuz you're using WebGUI 7.4 | 20:52 |
| @rizen | which will require WRE 0.8.0 | 20:52 |
| @rizen | so you'll need to install any new modules that WebGUI requires of you | 20:53 |
| @rizen | cuz 7.4 will have new requirements | 20:53 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.4 will require Wine, Samba, Bind, Sendmail and M5 | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | we rewrote it in Fortran for speed | 20:54 |
| wjw61 | ok.. will have to troubleshoot the install of Config::JSON then.. it will not compile here for some reason.. | 20:55 |
| @rizen | there's nothing to even compile | 20:55 |
| @rizen | i wrote it | 20:55 |
| @rizen | its a pure perl modules | 20:56 |
| @rizen | type "which perl" at your command line right now | 20:56 |
| @rizen | and tell me what you get | 20:56 |
| wjw61 | /usr/bin/perl... hmmm... that's not right! | 20:57 |
| @rizen | yeah | 20:57 |
| @rizen | . /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment | 20:57 |
| @rizen | then type cpan | 20:57 |
| @rizen | i bet things go better | 20:57 |
| @rizen | the dot space at the beginning is significant | 20:57 |
| wjw61 | yes.. I actually have the in my .profile.. not being picked up... will examine that later... | 20:58 |
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| xdanger | rizaway: I have the default workflow in place... | 23:35 |
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| @khenn | anyone here know what would cause data to be archived in the SQL Form? | 00:50 |
| @khenn | it seems to be a mysterious process | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | no clue, khenn | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | You need to talk to MHG | 00:51 |
| @khenn | figured as much | 00:51 |
| @khenn | thanks | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | on a quick look, it looks like old data is archived whenever new data is saved | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | see line 2809 | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | You should be able to back trace the @updates array from there. | 01:10 |
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| @rizen | xdanger, i'm afraid that trying to discover what's going on with your site is more than i have time for. either post a bug report with instructions on how to replicate, or take it up in our support board and someone will figure it out with you. | 01:13 |
| xdanger | I'm gonna have a look at it myself when I have time... | 01:14 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hey guys | 01:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | wanna have a laugh | 01:14 |
| @rizen | howdy | 01:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | some guy dared to reply his to me | 01:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok, i will try to show to some one. but for me it's absolutely ok with English too. | 01:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | He also is very sure that sentences without verbs are considered to be correct in the English speaking part of the world | 01:16 |
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| wjw61 | ahhhhh... and things work!! | 01:18 |
| @rizen | that's funny mhg | 01:31 |
| @rizen | how is it exactly that you structure a sentence without a verb | 01:31 |
| @rizen | what action could take place? | 01:32 |
| @rizen | i guess it would be a sentence like "the dumb brown cow." | 01:32 |
| @rizen | but then you have to ask yourself, "WHAT?" about the dumb brown cow | 01:32 |
| @rizen | nice job wjw | 01:32 |
| wjw61 | :-) | 01:33 |
| wjw61 | keeps one guessing ... | 01:33 |
| wjw61 | .. yet another sentence without a subject.. | 01:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | rizen: i asked the guy that question, and he replied with: | 01:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah, i read it hundreds times and it were ok. | 01:34 |
| @rizen | but even that has a verb | 01:37 |
| @rizen | "read" | 01:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | the sentence i referred to was: 'A molecule with an inner conductive part | 01:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | 57 (delocalized $\pi$-electron systems) connected to an electrode.' | 01:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | ignore the 57 | 01:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | khenn, you just missed Martin | 02:05 |
| @khenn | crap | 02:06 |
| @khenn | I figured I wouldn't see him till tomorrow | 02:06 |
| @khenn | it is after midnight in the netherlands afterall =p | 02:06 |
| @khenn | guess he just got home from the pub | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | It's hard being Eurotrash | 02:09 |
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| @rizen | hey lucy, you got some splainin to do | 03:20 |
| @preaction | pray you aren't calling me girls names now? | 03:29 |
| @rizen | whatever betty | 03:51 |
| @preaction | rizen: i'm loathe to do this, but i think spectre's cron isn't responding anymore. until i know why i don't want to restart it, but i can't see anything symptomatic. | 03:56 |
| @preaction | i can force jobs to run, and they'll run, but nothing gets started by the scheduler itself | 03:56 |
| @preaction | i ran into this problem on a client site as well, and restarting spectre seemed to fix it | 03:57 |
| @rizen | well you might as well restart it cuz we don't have any real troubleshooting mechanisms to look inside the scheduler | 03:57 |
| @rizen | maybe i need to build in stuff to do it, like i did with workflow | 03:58 |
| @preaction | a way to connect to the process and read what it's doing? like listening on a socket? | 04:00 |
| @rizen | perl spectre.pl --status | 04:01 |
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| @rizen | it tells you what's going on with workflow | 04:01 |
| @rizen | at least enough that you can troubleshoot what's going on with the system | 04:01 |
| @rizen | if i did the same for cron i think we'd be goo | 04:02 |
| @rizen | good | 04:02 |
| @rizen | plus...i made it so no matter how many times it errored, workflows keep running | 04:02 |
| @rizen | so that way once they get corrected we're all good | 04:02 |
| @rizen | i should do the same for cron | 04:02 |
| @preaction | do cron jobs have a "last run" datetime? | 04:03 |
| @rizen | i'd have to look, i don't think so | 04:03 |
| @preaction | doesn't look like it, but that might be a good idea as well | 04:04 |
| @rizen | right, that would be required to work with --status | 04:05 |
| @preaction | once a cron job is posted, it behaves like a normal instance, no? | 04:05 |
| @rizen | probably along with a few other things | 04:05 |
| @rizen | just like i did with workflow | 04:05 |
| @rizen | yes | 04:05 |
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| +Radix-wrk | anyone awake? | 06:44 |
| @rizen | no | 06:45 |
| +Radix-wrk | macro documentation.. where can I find out how to do this? | 06:48 |
| @rizen | wiki | 06:48 |
| +Radix-wrk | I haven't been able to find it using search at all | 06:49 |
| +Radix-wrk | umm.. not creating a macro | 06:49 |
| +Radix-wrk | I mean documenting a macro I've written - ie help files I guess | 06:49 |
| @rizen | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/macro-development-tutorial | 06:53 |
| @rizen | oh | 06:53 |
| @rizen | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/the-help-system | 06:54 |
| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. that works for macros as well as assets? | 06:55 |
| @rizen | anything you want to put in the help | 06:55 |
| @rizen | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/internationalization | 06:55 |
| +Radix-wrk | k.. I guess I can use an existing one as a basis.. cheers :) | 06:55 |
| +Radix-wrk | no text in this macro, but four parameters - three optional which I wanted to document somewhere other than in the code ;) | 06:55 |
| @rizen | yeah, but you need to use i18n in order to build help | 06:56 |
| @rizen | they are linked | 06:56 |
| +Radix-wrk | Working on my first entry for the macro contest :) | 06:56 |
| +Radix-wrk | k | 06:56 |
| +Radix-wrk | cheers | 06:56 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning. | 15:56 |
| ckotil | good morning | 15:56 |
| SDuensin | Hey ckotil | 15:57 |
| ckotil | i tried to install mysql5 via rpms on a RHEL AS4 machine. didnt go so well | 15:58 |
| ckotil | had to back it out and go back to 4 | 15:58 |
| ckotil | so today im gonna attempt it again | 15:58 |
| ckotil | w/ pre compiled non rpms | 15:58 |
| ckotil | then if that doesnt cut it, ill do it from source | 15:58 |
| ckotil | i want to get the db local. | 15:58 |
| * SDuensin isn't a big RPM fan. | 16:00 | |
| ckotil | currently its a couple RU's away | 16:00 |
| ckotil | they're nice most of the time | 16:00 |
| ckotil | very fast and clean | 16:00 |
| ckotil | even the init script screwed up w/ the mysql5 isntall | 16:00 |
| ckotil | i should email mysql and let them know. | 16:01 |
| pjesi | is it possible to run the sql migration scripts manually? | 16:11 |
| AMH_bob | Good morning! | 16:11 |
| pjesi | I have the latest sources but the db is not in sync | 16:11 |
| pjesi | good morning! | 16:11 |
| ckotil | dunno | 16:13 |
| pjesi | the CS breaks due to different table structure | 16:14 |
| +Radix_ | why via rpm's? | 16:14 |
| +Radix_ | why not use yum? | 16:14 |
| SDuensin | Hey AMH_bob, pjesi, Radix_ | 16:14 |
| +Radix_ | Hi SD | 16:15 |
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| @rizen | AMH_bob. How's your project coming along? | 17:19 |
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| @khenn | anyone seen MHG today? | 17:35 |
| ckotil | nope | 17:35 |
| pjesi | rizen: any hints on how to run the sql migration scripts *after* WG has been updated? | 17:39 |
| @rizen | what sql migration scripts? | 17:40 |
| pjesi | which should be execute by the upgrade scripts | 17:41 |
| pjesi | somehow they did not work when I upgraded from 7.3.12 to .18 | 17:41 |
| @rizen | if they somehow didn't work, then you need to start over and make them work | 17:43 |
| @rizen | you can't retroactively apply them, you never know what bad stuff might happen | 17:43 |
| AMH_bob | Hi Rizen; the project is going fine... we were all in Amsterdam yesterday, hoping to catch you in person or on a video(conference). | 17:44 |
| AMH_bob | But Amsterdam is never a disappointment :P | 17:44 |
| pjesi | ok | 17:45 |
| @rizen | apparently i was supposed to be speaking there, however, no one told me until yesterday that i was speaking there | 17:45 |
| @rizen | methinks the organizers of said conference are not very organized | 17:46 |
| @rizen | i offered to come in person back in january, but was told not to because they weren't even sure they were doing a conference | 17:47 |
| AMH_bob | No problem, the day wasn't a compleet bust - I always anjoy a good road trip | 17:51 |
| AMH_bob | I'm pretty sure something will be set up soon by Robert Heessels. | 17:53 |
| @rizen | oh...i've always thought that the bob in AMH_bob = Robert Heessels | 17:57 |
| @rizen | i guess not | 17:57 |
| AMH_bob | Nope, my name is Robert Broen, but Because we already had a Robert, I became... Bob! | 17:58 |
| AMH_bob | Robert Heessels is the managing director, I'm just a humble CMS programmer. | 17:59 |
| @rizen | don't say "just", everyone in an organization is important | 18:00 |
| AMH_bob | :D | 18:02 |
| @rizen | well, everyone except preaction that is | 18:02 |
| @rizen | he's completely replaceable | 18:02 |
| AMH_bob | I just spoke with Robert; In 1 or 2 weeks he's going to call you to tell you more about our plans; | 18:03 |
| AMH_bob | 8-) | 18:03 |
| @preaction | woot! replaceable! | 18:04 |
| AMH_bob | (I should stick up for Ubuntu users like that o:-)) | 18:04 |
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| AMH_bob | Until next time.... Goodbye! | 18:09 |
| @rizen | later | 18:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | w00t! | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | My laptop isn't broken! | 18:35 |
| @rizen | bring it over, i'll break it | 18:36 |
| * perlDreamer trundles back to home go fetch the laptop | 18:36 | |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: here's something to occupy you while you're waiting: http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2007/06/mycologist_resources.html | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | Besides, there's no point in taking it to Wisonsin, you're supposed to be in Europe yesterday, no? | 18:39 |
| @rizen | are you suggesting that i need more things to do? | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | No, just trying to save my laptop =) | 18:39 |
| @preaction | i've got a mycology lab next to my shower | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | better next to, than inside. Or on | 18:41 |
| ckotil | theres a fungus amongus | 19:01 |
| @preaction | i'm a fun guy | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Hard to tell if the ensuing silence was due to the pun, or just standard channel lull | 19:25 |
| ckotil | standard lull | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | Are we supposed to backport all bug fixes from 7.4 to 7.3 Branch? | 20:25 |
| @rizen | yes | 20:29 |
| @rizen | if they are backportable | 20:30 |
| ckotil | you ever see this while running the testEnvironment.pl? a | 21:08 |
| ckotil | Verifying database connection: perl: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.5/i386-linux-thread-multi/auto/DBD/mysql/mysql.so: undefined symbol: DBIc_TRACE_LEVEL | 21:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | ckotil: That's comming out of perl and mysql, not out of WebGUI. Sounds like a bad compile of mysql.xs | 21:23 |
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| ckotil | yeah. | 21:35 |
| * ckotil shakes fist at mysql dev's | 21:35 | |
| ckotil | they put out bad rpms AND compiled binaries | 21:36 |
| ckotil | im just gonna have to wait to upgrade the webserver to RHEL5 | 21:36 |
| ckotil | that comes with mysql5 | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | silly question. JT uses RHEL4, why not do that? | 21:38 |
| ckotil | i hit that roadblock ^^ when trying to go from mysql4 to 5 | 21:39 |
| ckotil | on RHEL4 | 21:39 |
| +perlDreamer | use the WRE? | 21:40 |
| ckotil | no, already have webgui from source installed. and running | 21:40 |
| ckotil | its using a remote db | 21:40 |
| ckotil | this is my production machine. | 21:40 |
| ckotil | next step would be for me to build mysql5 from source. but i decided to wait to upgrade to rhel5 | 21:41 |
| ckotil | we built mysql5 from source on our db machine. | 21:41 |
| ckotil | it runs rhel4 | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | build the WRE on it, too, but only use the MYSQL component | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | lunch date with wife, be back later! | 21:42 |
| ckotil | ill bet $5 the wre wont build on it ;) | 21:43 |
| ckotil | pz | 21:43 |
| ckotil | always fails at lftp | 21:43 |
| professorfrink_ | i've been trying to build a dataform in 7.3.18 and i'm having trouble getting it to export properly - | 21:57 |
| professorfrink_ | i set up a field with multiple checkbox values, and when i export tab delimited, the values get pushed into other fields | 21:58 |
| professorfrink_ | i'm viewing it as a .ods spreadsheet | 21:58 |
| professorfrink_ | it seems to display correctly when i list all entries, and if i view it with a text editor | 21:59 |
| @preaction | can you pastebin a sample? | 22:08 |
| professorfrink_ | actually, i think i figured it out - openoffice and neooffice use the semicolon as a separator, pushing the values to the next column | 22:20 |
| professorfrink_ | excel doesn't do that, and since everyone who's going to be checking it is going to be using excel, i'm not going to sweat it | 22:20 |
| professorfrink_ | but that's an FYI, i guess, for those of us who refuse to use microsoft... | 22:21 |
| professorfrink_ | thanks! | 22:21 |
| @rizen | actually you can get oo to use a comma | 22:21 |
| @rizen | you just have to tell it that in advance | 22:21 |
| professorfrink_ | mm, good point | 22:22 |
| professorfrink_ | yea | 22:22 |
| professorfrink_ | i didn't set the import filter correctly | 22:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | whoa! | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | new people in the room | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Who let that happen? | 23:15 |
| ckotil | going for a new World Record | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Having a weird sense of deja vu, ckotil. Why not use the precompilied WRE binaries? | 23:18 |
| +perlDreamer | to get past the lftp compile problem? | 23:18 |
| ckotil | i had a problem with those too. | 23:24 |
| ckotil | im happy with running it from source. | 23:25 |
| ckotil | sure setup takes a while. | 23:25 |
| ckotil | but ive gotten it down to half a day | 23:25 |
| ckotil | plus im running RH5 mostly now. | 23:26 |
| ckotil | theres no RH5 precompiled binary yet | 23:26 |
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| @preaction | i need a new house, with A/C so my darn computers don't die from the heat... | 07:58 |
| @rizen | or just buy a window air conditioner for a few hundred bucks | 08:33 |
| @preaction | it may work, it may not. most of the problem comes from the large sheet of black rubber next to my windows and screen door (the roof of the garage next to me). it basically bakes this tiny apartment | 08:38 |
| @preaction | it will work, it just might cost a bunch in energy | 08:38 |
| @rizen | got a river or lake near your house? run a hose to it and a radiator in your appartment | 08:51 |
| @rizen | you'll freeze yourself out | 08:51 |
| +Radix-wrk | cheaper way is to just use fans and get some circulation going | 08:52 |
| +Radix-wrk | or yeah, get a split system aircon | 08:53 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Rizen: Cache errors with webgui.org - I log in and get - "Hello Meatbop. Click here to log out. You have 2010 karma to spend. Turn Admin Off!" and full admin control | 10:17 |
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| nuba | heh | 14:23 |
| AMH_bob | ha | 14:25 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:55 |
| @preaction | mornings | 15:56 |
| SDuensin | Hi preaction | 15:57 |
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| @rizen | radix, you still here? | 16:05 |
| AMH_bob | Good morning | 16:07 |
| @rizen | good morning | 16:07 |
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| preaction_ | hmm full dance guard in today | 16:19 |
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| +Radix_ | rizen: yeah, just about to head off to bed | 16:29 |
| @rizen | before you go, could you please explain the circumstances around your cache problem | 16:29 |
| @rizen | i need to know if you were physically logged in | 16:29 |
| @rizen | or if it was just a cache problem | 16:29 |
| +Radix_ | All I did was pop webgui.org into firefox | 16:30 |
| +Radix_ | I hadn't been to the site at all that day | 16:30 |
| @rizen | could you continue browsing the site as the other person? | 16:30 |
| +Radix_ | I didn't stay as meatbop for long | 16:30 |
| +Radix_ | but I did try turning admin off and that worked | 16:30 |
| @rizen | more than one page? | 16:30 |
| +Radix_ | still showed meatbop and his karma | 16:30 |
| @rizen | did you click "log out" | 16:30 |
| +Radix_ | yeah | 16:31 |
| +Radix_ | then logged in as me | 16:31 |
| @rizen | and after hitting turn admin off you could sttill see his name? | 16:31 |
| +Radix_ | it loaded in full admin mode tho | 16:31 |
| +Radix_ | yeah | 16:31 |
| @rizen | wtf | 16:31 |
| @rizen | this time when you went to the site you went directly there | 16:32 |
| @rizen | ? | 16:32 |
| @rizen | via typing url into browser? | 16:32 |
| +Radix_ | yup, just typed webgui.org and went straight there | 16:32 |
| @rizen | and the last time you went there? | 16:32 |
| @rizen | did you go via plainblack.com | 16:32 |
| @rizen | ? | 16:32 |
| +Radix_ | yesterday sometime I think | 16:32 |
| @rizen | clicking on the icon in the upper right corner? | 16:32 |
| +Radix_ | I usually have a shortcut for plainblack.com/discuss that I use | 16:33 |
| @rizen | so then you were automatically redirected to webgui.org when you used that bookmark | 16:33 |
| @rizen | are you sure you used that bookmark? | 16:34 |
| +Radix_ | I didn't use that bookmark today | 16:34 |
| @rizen | no | 16:34 |
| @rizen | the last time you went to webgui.org | 16:34 |
| +Radix_ | yes, I used it last time | 16:34 |
| @rizen | ok | 16:34 |
| @rizen | hmmm...well i'll have to figure it out | 16:34 |
| @rizen | unfortunately nothing you've told me gives me any cluse | 16:35 |
| @rizen | clues | 16:35 |
| +Radix_ | sorry | 16:35 |
| @rizen | not your fault | 16:35 |
| +Radix_ | if it happens again, what should I do? | 16:35 |
| @rizen | leave yourself logged in and email me | 16:35 |
| @rizen | i'll take a look and see what i can see | 16:35 |
| @rizen | i can't imagine how it would happen | 16:36 |
| +Radix_ | there was a cache bug submitted recently I saw | 16:36 |
| @rizen | yeah, but that's not actually a bug, and it only had to do with visitors | 16:37 |
| +Radix_ | okey.. well I'll leave it in your hands | 16:38 |
| @rizen | thanks...sleep well | 16:38 |
| +Radix_ | if it happens again I'll let ya know :) | 16:38 |
| @rizen | it better not happen again | 16:38 |
| +Radix_ | I've had some funny stuff since the new site tho.. logged in on one page, then logged out on another, etc | 16:39 |
| +Radix_ | never been logged in as someone else tho | 16:39 |
| +Radix_ | anyhow.. I'm off to bed.. nite :) | 16:39 |
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| @khenn | MrHairgrease: I have a question for you about the SQL Form | 18:34 |
| @khenn | specifically, what is archiving and what causes it? | 18:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | shoot | 18:34 |
| @rizen | don't answer him | 18:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:34 |
| @rizen | he's tryying to pull a fast one on you | 18:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | figure it out yourself =) | 18:34 |
| @rizen | hehe | 18:34 |
| @rizen | ok i suppose you can answer him | 18:34 |
| @rizen | just be careful | 18:34 |
| @rizen | frank has shifty eyes | 18:34 |
| @khenn | it appears that it only happens when you get a new revision of a row of data | 18:34 |
| @khenn | I hate you JT | 18:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | the archive bit says that that version of the record is not the newest | 18:34 |
| @khenn | DIAF | 18:35 |
| @khenn | =p | 18:35 |
| @khenn | I thought so | 18:35 |
| @khenn | thanks | 18:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | np | 18:35 |
| @khenn | I think there's a problem with the SQL Form fyi | 18:35 |
| @khenn | I'm going to confirm | 18:35 |
| @khenn | but I think the query can backfire | 18:35 |
| @khenn | you do a "select distinct(xxx), xxx, xxx, xxx from xxx | 18:36 |
| @khenn | and I think it may, in some cases, grab the archived record | 18:36 |
| @khenn | even if it has a more recent version | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | could be | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that is not what it should do | 18:37 |
| @khenn | I'll try to reproduce it | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:37 |
| ckotil | wheres the dev section now with the new sites? | 19:32 |
| ckotil | im looking for the api docs | 19:32 |
| ckotil | nvm | 19:32 |
| ckotil | www.plainblack.com/dev | 19:32 |
| ckotil | doh. that doesnt appear to be it either | 19:33 |
| @rizen | everything dev related was moved into the wiki | 19:33 |
| ckotil | k | 19:33 |
| ckotil | should redirect plainblack.com/dev to the wiki | 19:33 |
| @rizen | fuck the fucking fuckers | 19:34 |
| ckotil | righton , such a versatile word | 19:35 |
| @rizen | indeed | 19:36 |
| @rizen | there, it's redirected. are you happy now? | 19:42 |
| @rizen | =) | 19:42 |
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| wgGuest58 | I'm contemplating using WebGUI to run our intranet. Folks routinely drag files to folders on our shared drives. I think getting them to use the webGUI interface to save folder will be too much so I plan to just use links on the pages to the folders. Is this pretty straight forward? the demo version had some defaults that wouldn't let me do this. | 22:17 |
| @rizen | yes you can do that | 22:19 |
| @rizen | and it's relatively easy to do...if i understand you correctly | 22:19 |
| @rizen | i think there's also either a macro or an asset | 22:19 |
| @rizen | in the add ons section | 22:19 |
| @rizen | that will read a list of files | 22:19 |
| @rizen | in a folder | 22:20 |
| @rizen | and display links to them in an automated fashion | 22:20 |
| @rizen | if i'm wrong, it would be pretty trivial to create such an animal | 22:20 |
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| wgGuest58 | I suspected as much - thanks for the confirmation. Just to be clear, you say it would | 22:21 |
| wgGuest58 | be pretty easy to have a macro have the website reflect what's in the folders? | 22:21 |
| ckotil | yes. | 22:21 |
| wgGuest58 | thanks for the help. | 22:22 |
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| ckotil | haha, he's from dslindiana | 22:22 |
| ckotil | didnt know there was such a thing | 22:22 |
| @rizen | must be a regional thing | 22:24 |
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| ckotil | they're based in indianapolis | 22:33 |
| ckotil | interesing new workflow modes! | 22:33 |
| @rizen | what's interesting about them? | 22:34 |
| @rizen | btw...have you started checking in your triggers yet? | 22:34 |
| ckotil | not sure yet. about to read the floating help screen to see whats new | 22:34 |
| ckotil | no, i havent had time to work on them. | 22:34 |
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| @rizen | can you let me know if you don't think you'll get them done by the first week of july? | 22:35 |
| @rizen | i need them to be in 7.4, so i'll have to do it if you can't | 22:35 |
| ckotil | ill squeeze them in before then | 22:35 |
| @rizen | k | 22:35 |
| ckotil | ill keep you posted. | 22:35 |
| @rizen | thanks | 22:35 |
| ckotil | np | 22:35 |
| ckotil | hrm floating help is too long, it gets hidden by the top of the screen. and i have a fairly high resolution | 22:36 |
| @rizen | i'll have to check that out and shorten it then | 22:37 |
| ckotil | ya | 22:37 |
| @rizen | i was sure i tested that before | 22:37 |
| @rizen | what browser are you using? | 22:37 |
| ckotil | ff mac | 22:37 |
| ckotil | i can try it in ie too | 22:37 |
| ckotil | ie7* | 22:37 |
| ckotil | and ff windows while im at it | 22:38 |
| ckotil | ya its an issue in ff mac/windows, and IE7 | 22:39 |
| @rizen | starting up my 7.4 install so i can look | 22:39 |
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| @rizen | yikes | 22:40 |
| @rizen | i guess i was a bit verbose | 22:40 |
| ckotil | heh | 22:40 |
| ckotil | yeah, how bout 1 -v instead of vvvvvvv | 22:40 |
| @rizen | yeah jt, this is a help pop up not a book | 22:41 |
| @rizen | =) | 22:41 |
| ckotil | im trying to get pending version feedback working. i.e. after approving/denying a pending tag , i want to take my users to the manage pending version tag screen. so far ive been unsuccessful in 7.3.18, so im trying it in 7.4 | 22:43 |
| ckotil | graham has been working with me. he claims to have gotten it to work. i keep getting the insufficient credientials screen. | 22:43 |
| @rizen | have you tried tripple clicking? | 22:44 |
| ckotil | I have. | 22:45 |
| ckotil | it works fine | 22:45 |
| ckotil | my users however cannot | 22:45 |
| ckotil | its total bullshit | 22:45 |
| ckotil | they want me to write a script to list out all the pending version tags if i cannot get webgui to play nicely. (i know it will eventually) | 22:45 |
| ckotil | but jeezus, they are so needy! | 22:45 |
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| ckotil | i blame myself. you give them an inch and they take a mile | 22:47 |
| @rizen | i don't know exactly what you're trying to do but if i do understand it, then it sounds trivial | 22:48 |
| @rizen | and if graham made it work quickly you could just ask him for the code to do it | 22:49 |
| ckotil | it does seem trivial | 22:49 |
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| ckotil | and while i havent seen his code yet, it was only a couple lines that were edited. and really they were just substituted | 22:50 |
| ckotil | which is making me think some other modification i made is screwing it up. | 22:50 |
| @rizen | you should just ask him for the code | 22:52 |
| ckotil | i will. | 22:53 |
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| @rizen | there, i have decreased my verbosity | 22:56 |
| @rizen | and still got the message across | 22:56 |
| ckotil | cool | 22:56 |
| @rizen | technically there is only one new mode | 22:57 |
| @rizen | it's just that i gave functionality that was already there a name | 22:57 |
| @rizen | parallel, singleton, and serial modes already existed, they just weren't as neatly specified | 22:58 |
| ckotil | ya, i like it. | 22:59 |
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| ckotil | http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9729116-7.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5 | 23:44 |
| ckotil | nooo!! | 23:44 |
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| @rizen | are you telling me you don't already have an itunes account? | 00:04 |
| ckotil | correct. | 00:04 |
| @rizen | what kind of lame @$$ #&*#&$*# #&#& #&$*$(&@^&*$ &*# # doesn't have at least one ipod and an itunes account | 00:05 |
| @rizen | o did i say that out loud | 00:05 |
| @rizen | sorry | 00:05 |
| @rizen | retract previous statement | 00:05 |
| ckotil | i guess me | 00:05 |
| ckotil | i dont have an ipod either | 00:05 |
| ckotil | and i assumed iphone had gps...it doesnt. | 00:05 |
| @rizen | do you have an mp3 player? | 00:05 |
| ckotil | i used to have an archos jbmm20 | 00:05 |
| @rizen | iphone has gps | 00:05 |
| ckotil | it left a sour taste in my mouth. | 00:06 |
| ckotil | you sure? | 00:06 |
| ckotil | ive read it doesnt. | 00:06 |
| @rizen | i don't know if it has "gps capabilities" but all phones have gps | 00:06 |
| @rizen | it's the law | 00:06 |
| ckotil | well yeah. | 00:06 |
| ckotil | fcc requires it. | 00:06 |
| ckotil | maybe it will use gps from the tower. | 00:07 |
| ckotil | im just getting cold feet. | 00:09 |
| @rizen | there are many reasons not to buy it | 00:17 |
| @rizen | no third party apps, expensive, no gps | 00:17 |
| @rizen | but there are also lots of reasons to buy it | 00:17 |
| @rizen | one device that does it all, it's cool, it "just works", it does most everything you'd need without third party apps | 00:18 |
| @rizen | i'm going to use mine as a laptop replacement | 00:19 |
| @rizen | almost everywhere i go i take my laptop, for example, to perl mongers meetings | 00:19 |
| @rizen | but i don't actually use my laptop there for anything that the iphone can't do | 00:19 |
| @rizen | i also take my ipod and my digital camera with me | 00:19 |
| ckotil | third part support was confirmed. | 00:20 |
| @rizen | i'll use digital camera on the phone to take pictures, record the audio track using the ipod on the phone, and use the built in web browser if i need to look something up, or bookmark something | 00:20 |
| @rizen | the only third party support you have are web browser apps | 00:21 |
| @rizen | not real apps | 00:21 |
| ckotil | ugh | 00:21 |
| @rizen | granted, web browser apps are pretty cool | 00:21 |
| ckotil | well, thats better than nothin. | 00:21 |
| ckotil | javascript enabled, safari aps | 00:21 |
| @rizen | and they do integrate with the phone | 00:21 |
| @rizen | so you can touch a phone number and it will start a call | 00:21 |
| @rizen | etc | 00:21 |
| @rizen | but yeah, you can't install anything on the phone | 00:21 |
| ckotil | gotcha. | 00:22 |
| ckotil | it will be cool to look up a number via online yellow pages and hit call. | 00:22 |
| @rizen | i think it's because they want everyone to have a "perfect'" experience with the phone...without other apps to slow it down or make it crash | 00:22 |
| @rizen | yeah..that's the thing they demo'd at the conference this week | 00:22 |
| @rizen | they built a web interface to the ldap repo at apple | 00:23 |
| @rizen | and then you could see people's photos, managers, phone numbers, email addresses, and physical addresses | 00:23 |
| ckotil | not to shabby | 00:23 |
| @rizen | and clicking on email addresses and phone numbers did the right thing | 00:23 |
| @rizen | it's cool for sure...but you can't integrate to the camera with that | 00:24 |
| @rizen | or any of the other hardware components | 00:24 |
| @rizen | so i guess it's only "half" cool from that perspective | 00:25 |
| @rizen | but still...the phone is amazing as far as i'm concerned. way better than the phone i have now | 00:25 |
| @rizen | and like i said...when i go places, i no longer have to bring laptop + phone + ipod + camera | 00:25 |
| ckotil | yah, thats the big selling point for me | 00:26 |
| @rizen | honestly the only app i wish it had that it doesn't is ssh | 00:26 |
| @rizen | so if i absolutely had to, i could fix a server from my phone | 00:26 |
| ckotil | no doubt. | 00:27 |
| ckotil | thatd be a god send. | 00:27 |
| ckotil | i hope to have something like that SOON. | 00:27 |
| ckotil | before i move out west , for when im on the slopes skiing and a server goes down | 00:27 |
| * ckotil sighs | 00:28 | |
| ckotil | some day.. | 00:28 |
| ckotil | its about that time. heading home. | 00:29 |
| @rizen | later | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil, found a thread that might interest you... | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/wrebuild-error-on-lftp/re-wrebuild-error-on-lftp#idAtUdPPvxrg4jUdkrNgys-g | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | these guys had lftp build problems. They needed a new ncurses-dev | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | bug fix pending... | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: I've just finalized my bug fix for this one: | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/uploaded-file-sizes-wrong#8ao9yNQrxFyJNTUaU7ARPA | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I now need to write a script to fix all the borken assets in the db with the wrong size | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | should I update or commit changes like that? | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | The upgrade script could run for a long time, since it needs to iterate over all File and Image assets. | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | --bug | 02:09 |
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| +Radix_ | pfft.. my windows mobile phone can do everything that the iphone does.. AND it can do ssh ;) | 02:39 |
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| nuba | huh. there's pssh for palm, too | 02:43 |
| +Radix_ | yeah, but palm is dead ;) | 02:44 |
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| nuba | well mine is quite alive | 03:31 |
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| nuba | but that's because of pssh, mostly | 03:51 |
| nuba | ie. i never found a mail client for palm better than pine | 03:53 |
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| vayde | Gah! I just saw an END block inside of a BEGIN block inside of an IF block | 05:49 |
| * vayde shudders | 05:49 | |
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| pjesi | phew, I managed to fix my mess | 15:05 |
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| SDuensin | Howdy. | 15:33 |
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| AMH_bob | Good morning! | 16:11 |
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| SDuensin | Hey AMH_bob | 16:15 |
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| AMH_bob | Bake from my break - playing table fussball | 16:33 |
| AMH_bob | eh, back | 16:34 |
| AMH_bob | I'm pumping out production templates right now... about 25 templates in 5 colors each - party time! | 16:35 |
| SDuensin | Fun. | 16:35 |
| AMH_bob | :P | 16:35 |
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| SDuensin | Hmmm... Interesting... | 03:41 |
| SDuensin | I selected six MP3 files, cut them to the clipboard. Went to another location in the Asset Manager. Checked an item, clicked Delete... | 03:41 |
| SDuensin | Went somewhere else in the Asset Manager. Then I was going to paste the MP3s... They're gone! Nowhere to be found! | 03:42 |
| SDuensin | They're not in the trash, not on the clipboard, not in any revisions. | 03:42 |
| SDuensin | I searched the Asset Manager. Nope. | 03:42 |
| SDuensin | Did a "locate" on the drive. They're still there. Ran rebuildLineage for fun. No dice. | 03:43 |
| nuba | guess webgui now has DRM.. and it blocks people from making copies of mp3 files ;) | 03:43 |
| SDuensin | WTF happened? | 03:43 |
| * SDuensin introduces WebGUI to the Creative Commons. :-) | 03:43 | |
| nuba | probably RIAA posted a RFE while no one was looking | 03:44 |
| SDuensin | I can reupload them to WebGUI, but I don't want to confuse it if it thinks they're still out there somewhere. | 03:44 |
| +Radix-wrk | wierd | 03:45 |
| +Radix-wrk | the location you deleted tho.. | 03:46 |
| +Radix-wrk | was it the directory where the mp3's were stored? | 03:46 |
| nuba | try a find /data/ -type f -iname "*mp3" to see if you can spot it in the directory tree | 03:46 |
| +Radix-wrk | if you delete the parent - regardless of whether the items were on the clipboard or not, the children are deleted too | 03:47 |
| +Radix-wrk | try checking your trash and system trash | 03:47 |
| SDuensin | Not in the trash. I don't think they were children. Maybe though. | 03:48 |
| SDuensin | If I move them out of /data/, should I delete the folders they're in, or will that cause chaos? | 03:49 |
| +Radix-wrk | is the parent item still in the trash? | 03:49 |
| +Radix-wrk | or the item you deleted earlier | 03:49 |
| SDuensin | DOH! Yes. I'm an idiot. | 03:50 |
| SDuensin | Thank you. :-) | 03:50 |
| +Radix-wrk | if so, I'd try restoring that item | 03:50 |
| +Radix-wrk | so the mp3's came back? :) | 03:50 |
| SDuensin | Yes. | 03:50 |
| +Radix-wrk | cool | 03:50 |
| +Radix-wrk | move them - then delete it ;) | 03:51 |
| +Radix-wrk | webgui's copy to clipboard doesn't actually move the files at all - just tags them | 03:51 |
| SDuensin | Good idea. :-) | 03:51 |
| +Radix-wrk | so if you delete the parent while they're on the clipboard, they go too | 03:51 |
| +Radix-wrk | can be confusing if you're not aware of it I know ;) | 03:52 |
| SDuensin | I knew better. I've seen other people ask the same thing. | 03:52 |
| +Radix-wrk | Sometimes it takes personal experience to teach a lesson ;) | 03:53 |
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| SDuensin | FRIDAY! | 15:38 |
| ckotil | indeed. and hwat used to be payday | 15:53 |
| ckotil | i got bumped to monthyly salary | 15:54 |
| ckotil | still waiting for my first huge check. | 15:54 |
| SDuensin | Money is good. :-) | 15:55 |
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| +crythias | ah, yeah. It's me. we can all scatter, now. | 21:21 |
| @rizen | nobody scatters from you, we all scatter to you, and hump your leg like a little puppy | 21:29 |
| @rizen | =) | 21:29 |
| +crythias | I kick y'all off with derision. | 21:29 |
| +crythias | and wipe the stains from my pant leg. | 21:29 |
| @rizen | FYI, if any of you are coming to the WUC this year, add yourself to the wiki: http://www.plainblack.com/wuc/community | 22:38 |
| @rizen | and and let us know if you want to set up any BOFS http://www.plainblack.com/wuc/wiki/bofs | 22:38 |
| @rizen | so we can make arrangements for rooms to be available | 22:39 |
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| +crythias | Interesting. it's not quite clear *when* the wuc is, ... click the schedule, it says, "Day 1" ... Click Hotel it says Rates... Click Registration and you get the badge .. thing. | 00:16 |
| +crythias | ok, well, I meant, if you started on the links ^^^ | 00:17 |
| +crythias | If I might make a suggestion, put the dates so they end up in the title of the page. | 00:18 |
| +crythias | oh, and rizen, get off my leg :-P | 00:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | Guys, we need to find a way to get Tina Gasperson to write about WebGUI instead of metadot | 00:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://business.newsforge.com/business/07/06/07/207245.shtml?tid=132&tid=3 | 00:44 |
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| nuba | getting an error with that url.. >The failure reason is: xarDB_init: Failed to connect to xarmysql://xardba@xaraya-db-2/lc_live1, error message: Too many connections | 01:27 |
| nuba | looks like their Xaraya (just found out its a postnuke fork) setup is broken | 01:28 |
| nuba | just aobut time for them to replace it with WebGUI!!! :) | 01:28 |
| @preaction | postnuke was popular enough to get forks? it was poorly-engineered crap! | 01:41 |
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| @rizen | howdy all | 19:00 |
| diakopter | howdy | 23:04 |
| @rizen | that might be the most delayed howdy in this history of the universe | 23:05 |
| * diakopter forks another history of the universe | 23:05 | |
| @rizen | if our transaction rate does not increase, we'll be speaking as slow as Ents | 23:06 |
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| cap10morgan | Has anyone ever written a module to allow WebGUI to be an OpenID server? I.e. use the WebGUI auth system to serve OpenIDs for that domain? | 04:07 |
| * Radix-wrk googles OpenID to find out what it is. | 05:26 | |
| +Radix-wrk | Could be worth USD$5000 to the OS project who implements it according to iwantmyopenid.org | 05:32 |
| +Radix-wrk | http://iwantmyopenid.org/bounty | 05:32 |
| cap10morgan | Radix-wrk: yeah, I saw that. Did you read the requirements? 200,000 users and 5,000 downloads / month. Does WebGUI meet that? | 05:33 |
| +Radix-wrk | no idea | 05:34 |
| cap10morgan | they have lots of popular/crappy CMS's in there | 05:38 |
| cap10morgan | in the list of projects they want to give a bounty for | 05:38 |
| cap10morgan | the big three: Drupal, Joomla, and Plone | 05:38 |
| cap10morgan | actually Plone may not be that bad | 05:38 |
| cap10morgan | I hate Drupal and Joomla | 05:38 |
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| @preaction | cap10morgan: 200,000 end users? 5000 downloads / month? does it count the 400+ plainblack-hosted sites? the sourceforge project averages 150 downloads / day. this isn't to mention the official repo at http://update.webgui.org | 09:10 |
| +Radix-wrk | preaction: http://iwantmyopenid.org/bounty | 09:16 |
| @preaction | i didn't think they were still looking for things after two years | 09:17 |
| +Radix-wrk | 2 years? huh? | 09:18 |
| @preaction | 1 years maybe | 09:19 |
| @preaction | no, this is openID 2.0, they might've offered it for OpenID 1.0 too | 09:19 |
| @preaction | but if you're going to implement openID, why not just go with Yadis? | 09:20 |
| * Radix-wrk googles yadis | 09:20 | |
| +Radix-wrk | because yadis aren't offering US$5k to implement it? | 09:21 |
| @preaction | but by implementing yadis+openID you get both | 09:21 |
| +Radix-wrk | sure, I guess | 09:22 |
| @preaction | yadis is like an interface layer on top of OpenID/LID | 09:22 |
| @preaction | wait, yadis just describes what interfaces a URL supports | 09:23 |
| +Radix-wrk | preaction: I just went to webgui.org again and I'm logged in as meatbop | 09:23 |
| @preaction | can you access anything? | 09:24 |
| +Radix-wrk | I just hit turn admin on and can now see admin console | 09:24 |
| +Radix-wrk | I went to statistics and can see the full stats for it | 09:24 |
| @preaction | okay, that's bad | 09:25 |
| @preaction | hang on | 09:25 |
| +Radix-wrk | JT asked me to let him know if it happened again | 09:25 |
| +Radix-wrk | this is the second time it's happened | 09:25 |
| +Radix-wrk | Assets:48303 | 09:25 |
| +Radix-wrk | Packages:11 | 09:25 |
| +Radix-wrk | Templates:364 | 09:25 |
| +Radix-wrk | Active Sessions:186410 | 09:25 |
| +Radix-wrk | Users:8240 | 09:25 |
| +Radix-wrk | Groups:12855 | 09:25 |
| +Radix-wrk | my ip should be 203.161.68.67 if you want to see what session I'm in | 09:27 |
| @preaction | i found it, but damned if i know how it happened | 09:29 |
| +Radix-wrk | it's happened twice now, both times I've just typed 'webgui.org' into firefox | 09:30 |
| +Radix-wrk | I'll email JT and just leave the session open for the moment - maybe he can debug it and figure out why | 09:31 |
| @preaction | here's your session id: GmxMBwYIZmgDKuyjUwACAg | 09:31 |
| +Radix-wrk | lol.. taking a screenshot for JT to see, and it's got me as the banner pic - people behind webgui - how poignant! | 09:34 |
| @preaction | lol | 09:34 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning. | 15:57 |
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| @preaction | good morning | 16:14 |
| wgGuest17 | I nearly have our IT conviced that we need WebGUI to run our intranet. His last comment: "how much space does it take up - our servers are limited" We'll be using the WRE on a windows 2003 server | 16:14 |
| wgGuest17 | i downloaded and unzipped it - but I assume installed size is much biggeR? | 16:14 |
| @preaction | WebGUI itself takes about 25M, the WRE takes a bit more (80-100M i think). your site may take lots | 16:15 |
| @preaction | but the overhead for the server is about 100-125M | 16:15 |
| @preaction | (if you're using the WRE, of course) | 16:15 |
| wgGuest17 | So 250MB is a safe, over-conservative answer to give him? | 16:16 |
| @preaction | let me verify before i give you inaccurate data | 16:17 |
| @preaction | looks like WRE for windows is only about 75M, so 100M for the server. so 250 should be plenty conservative (Depending on how big you anticipate your site growing) | 16:19 |
| wgGuest17 | Thanks a ton. Once I get it going, I have a few custom ideas so I'll definitely be in touch. Thanks, Greg gfulk@paragoncompanies.com | 16:20 |
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| @preaction | good way to start monday: another convert to the cause | 16:20 |
| SDuensin | :-) | 16:22 |
| @preaction | offset by bad way to start monday: after working nearly 96 hours straight I'm not done with my project due in 30 minutes :p | 16:24 |
| SDuensin | Well, quit screwing around here and get to work! | 16:25 |
| @preaction | I bestow upon you the time-waster of all time-wasters: http://www.handdrawngames.com/DesktopTD/ | 16:35 |
| SDuensin | Noooo! | 16:36 |
| AMH_bob | :P I'll try that one at 5 pm | 17:00 |
| AMH_bob | Goof morning! | 17:01 |
| SDuensin | Goof indeed. | 17:15 |
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| +Radix-wrk | rizen: you around? | 03:57 |
| @rizen | nope | 03:57 |
| +Radix-wrk | I'm still logged in as meatbop if you're interested | 03:57 |
| @rizen | i never logged you out | 03:57 |
| @rizen | i emailed you some questions | 03:57 |
| +Radix-wrk | all I did was type in 'webgui.org' in firefox's address bar | 03:58 |
| @rizen | i think i know what caused this | 03:58 |
| +Radix-wrk | oh? | 03:58 |
| @rizen | see if you're still logged in as meatbop | 04:00 |
| +Radix-wrk | nup | 04:00 |
| +Radix-wrk | logged me out as soon as I clicked on a link | 04:01 |
| +Radix-wrk | what was it then? | 04:01 |
| @rizen | at one point we had our single sign on stuff going through snippets which were set to cache | 04:02 |
| @rizen | so you picked up steve's sessionId | 04:02 |
| @rizen | then steve never logged out, so his sessionId never went away | 04:02 |
| @rizen | and you got his cookie | 04:02 |
| +Radix-wrk | Ahh k | 04:02 |
| * Radix-wrk ate his cookie. | 04:02 | |
| +Radix-wrk | Cool.. well glad I found it and not a random visitor. | 04:03 |
| @rizen | me too | 04:03 |
| +Radix-wrk | did you like the screenshot I sent btw.. I thought it rather poignant that the banner of me was there 'people behind webgui' indeed ;) | 04:06 |
| @rizen | honestly didn't notice that part | 04:06 |
| +Radix-wrk | hehe | 04:07 |
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| ckotil | will the calendar asset output an ics file | 16:02 |
| ckotil | ? | 16:02 |
| ckotil | for me to download. | 16:02 |
| SDuensin | Good morning! | 16:16 |
| @preaction | ckotil: yes, ?func=ical | 18:00 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Rizen you there? | 22:29 |
| @rizen | yup | 22:29 |
| @rizen | how's the survey coming? | 22:30 |
| perlmonkey2 | I'm thinking of taking all of next week off to work on the survey. | 22:30 |
| @rizen | sweet | 22:30 |
| perlmonkey2 | Has anything changed? | 22:30 |
| @rizen | nope | 22:30 |
| @rizen | oh, except i have a deadline for 7.4 | 22:30 |
| @rizen | we'll be putting out the first beta on Monday July 23. | 22:30 |
| @rizen | All checkins will be due July 21. | 22:31 |
| perlmonkey2 | I should be able to make that. | 22:31 |
| * SDuensin is waiting for 7.3.19. :-P | 22:42 | |
| @rizen | never going to happen | 22:42 |
| @rizen | just kidding | 22:42 |
| @rizen | it will either be out this week or next | 22:42 |
| SDuensin | All my podcasts are 300 bytes long! | 22:43 |
| @rizen | is that a bug in webgui? | 22:43 |
| @rizen | and has it been fixed in 7.3.19? | 22:43 |
| SDuensin | Yep. And yep. | 22:43 |
| SDuensin | You upload to a folder asset and it reports everything correctly. Then you commit the tag and the size changes to 300 or so bytes. | 22:44 |
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| ckotil | preaction: cool. mines not working...im almost certain that its due to malformed ics file | 00:03 |
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| cap10morgan | Has anyone gotten the WRE to compile on an x86_64 machine? | 01:36 |
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| +Radix_ | cap10morgan: no, but I managed to use the wre rhel4 binary on an x86-64 machine - just needed some extra libraries and a bit of tweaking | 03:47 |
| cap10morgan | Radix_: yeah, may have to give that a try... | 03:52 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning! | 15:46 |
| ckotil | Hi. | 16:02 |
| ckotil | Im driving up to indianapolis today to install windows server 2003 w/ terminal services..yay! | 16:03 |
| SDuensin | Oh yea. THAT sounds fun. :-P | 16:03 |
| ckotil | yeah. shouldnt be too bad. | 16:04 |
| ckotil | ive never done it, but im pretty certain its point n click | 16:04 |
| ckotil | heading out. have a good day | 16:06 |
| SDuensin | It's Windows. What could _possibly_ go wrong? :-) | 16:06 |
| SDuensin | Later bud! | 16:06 |
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| @preaction | rizen_: have you frozen for release of 7.3.19 yet? | 21:37 |
| rizen_ | nope...it's going out next wednesday instead of today | 21:37 |
| @preaction | ok, thanks | 21:37 |
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| @preaction | how can I edit the URL of a branch? i deployed a package but now I want the sub-assets to take on the url of their parent? will edit branch do this? i've heard conflicting stories about how to accomplish this | 23:15 |
| @rizen | yes | 23:16 |
| @rizen | edit branch will do it | 23:16 |
| @rizen | however, right now edit branch is kind of dangerous if you need to do it on thousands of assets at once | 23:16 |
| @rizen | because it will start the process | 23:16 |
| @rizen | and then apache will time out | 23:16 |
| @preaction | just a dozen or so, so it should be fine | 23:16 |
| @rizen | we need to change edit branch to spew back it's results like the export function does | 23:17 |
| @rizen | Anybody out there worked with perl IO::Socket? | 23:17 |
| @rizen | i need help trying to figure out how to flush a buffer | 23:17 |
| @rizen | i want to do: | 23:17 |
| @rizen | print $socket "this"; | 23:17 |
| @rizen | sleep 4; | 23:17 |
| @rizen | print $socket "that"; | 23:18 |
| @rizen | the problem is that my content seems to be getting trapped in a buffer | 23:18 |
| @preaction | $io->autoflush(1); i believe | 23:18 |
| @rizen | it's not getting sent until the entire connection closes | 23:18 |
| @preaction | i think that's a part of the IO::Handle superclass | 23:18 |
| @rizen | the IO::Socket documentation says that autoflush is turned on by default | 23:19 |
| @rizen | but i'll give that a try | 23:19 |
| @rizen | i'm desperate | 23:19 |
| @rizen | nevermind....safari is a pile of shit | 23:29 |
| @rizen | doing: select $socket; $|=1; works in all browsers except safari | 23:30 |
| @preaction | maybe safari itself is buffering | 23:33 |
| @rizen | that's what appears to be happening | 23:34 |
| @rizen | i thought that died with netscape 4 | 23:35 |
| nuba | just found theres yet another wysiwyg editor http://xinha.python-hosting.com/wiki/Examples | 23:36 |
| nuba | i just noticed fastmail.fm allows you to choose between fckeditor, htmlarea and xinha | 23:37 |
| nuba | so if its in the same league, i figured you may like to know it exists, if you dont already | 23:38 |
| @rizen | unless it somehow surpasses TinyMCE, don't really care. we do too much tight integration with the rich editor to do it for multiple rich editors | 23:39 |
| @preaction | looks like it works a lot like the TinyMCE | 23:39 |
| nuba | yeah, well, its not like im suggesting to replace the current one with it, i've only mentioned it cause it made a bleep in the radar | 23:42 |
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| cap10morgan | what's the best way to login a user via the API, regardless of the auth method they use? | 03:31 |
| cap10morgan | WebGUI::Auth::authenticate? | 03:31 |
| rizen_ | its actually even easier than that | 03:42 |
| rizen_ | $session->user({userId=>$id}); | 03:43 |
| rizen_ | that's it | 03:43 |
| rizen_ | or if you already have a user object you can do | 03:43 |
| rizen_ | $session->user({user=>$obj}); | 03:43 |
| cap10morgan | is there a way to actually authenticate them too? I'm trying to piggyback another login system on top of WebGUI | 03:44 |
| rizen_ | that's what i'm saying....you authenticate them using whatever method you want | 03:46 |
| rizen_ | and then once authenticated you use the thing i said above | 03:46 |
| rizen_ | oh...wait | 03:47 |
| cap10morgan | i want them to enter their webgui username and password, then i want to ask webgui if that's right or not | 03:47 |
| rizen_ | i see now | 03:47 |
| rizen_ | sorry | 03:47 |
| rizen_ | wasn't getting that | 03:47 |
| cap10morgan | no worries, i wasn't very clear | 03:47 |
| rizen_ | yes use WebGUI::Auth::WebGUI::authenticate | 03:48 |
| cap10morgan | i need to go straight to the particular auth method? | 03:49 |
| cap10morgan | i think that's ok as i don't have any ldap users currently, but was wondering if i could future proof it a little | 03:49 |
| rizen_ | yes...because the base auth method doesn't do passwords | 03:49 |
| cap10morgan | gotcha | 03:49 |
| cap10morgan | i guess i could try both in sequence if i really wanted to support both methods | 03:49 |
| @preaction | or string eval | 03:49 |
| rizen_ | use the logic in WebGUI::Operation::Auth to autoload the proper module | 03:50 |
| @preaction | or maybe WebGUI::Auth::$authType::authenticate would actually work | 03:50 |
| rizen_ | no, WebGUI::Auth is OO | 03:50 |
| rizen_ | so you have to create an object first | 03:51 |
| rizen_ | then do $obj->authenticate | 03:51 |
| rizen_ | there's a subroutine in WebGUI::Operation::Auth called getInstance that will load the proper auth module for you | 03:51 |
| rizen_ | automagically | 03:51 |
| cap10morgan | hey that's pretty slick | 03:52 |
| cap10morgan | i'll use that | 03:52 |
| rizen_ | exit | 03:52 |
| rizen_ | oops...wrong terminal | 03:52 |
| rizen_ | =) | 03:52 |
| cap10morgan | hehe :) | 03:52 |
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| cap10morgan | is there a way to get a user object when you just have a username and password? | 04:03 |
| cap10morgan | I see methods for userId and email, but not the username | 04:03 |
| @rizen | no, but there should be | 04:04 |
| @rizen | it's lame that we don't have that right now | 04:04 |
| cap10morgan | so if i submit a patch, that could end up in 7.3.19? :) | 04:12 |
| @rizen | nope | 04:13 |
| @rizen | it's an api change | 04:13 |
| @rizen | so it would make it into 7.4.0 | 04:13 |
| @rizen | but not 7.3.19 | 04:13 |
| cap10morgan | oh, ok | 04:13 |
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| xdanger | rizen: I have a client how wants to add the mailing-list functionality to their CS, but they only have imap4s and pop3s access to their mailserver. Do you have any ideas on how I could make that possible? | 11:57 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning. | 16:07 |
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| AMH_bob | Good morning! | 16:45 |
| SDuensin | Hey AMH_bob | 17:10 |
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| @rizen | howdy | 17:48 |
| @preaction | by default assets inherit the security properties (groupIdView, groupIdEdit) of their parent, correct? without me having to explicitly do that in processPropertiesFromFormPost()? | 18:03 |
| @rizen | yes | 18:03 |
| @rizen | i should say that they do it on the www_add method...that way the user has a chance to override that behavior before hitting safe | 18:04 |
| @rizen | save | 18:04 |
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| wgGuest66 | Hi All | 03:24 |
| @rizen | howdy | 03:25 |
| wgGuest66 | I had a question that I hoped someone would have an answer to...Is WebGUI able to be an CMS with an ecommerce solution for small businesses online??? | 03:26 |
| @rizen | yup...lots of webgui sites sell products, services, and subscriptions | 03:27 |
| @rizen | including plainblack.com | 03:27 |
| @rizen | the Content Manager's Guide shows you how to set up a store | 03:27 |
| wgGuest66 | The reason I ask is that ValueCMS hosting gives suitability criteria, and this is what their site says: | 03:29 |
| wgGuest66 | It won't paste...I dislike java sometimes | 03:30 |
| @preaction | paste the link perhaps? | 03:30 |
| @rizen | sure | 03:30 |
| @rizen | let me just go look at their site | 03:30 |
| wgGuest66 | okay thanks | 03:30 |
| @rizen | http://www.valuecms.com/is_it_suitable_for_me | 03:31 |
| wgGuest66 | yes that is it | 03:31 |
| wgGuest66 | I still couldn't paste it | 03:31 |
| @rizen | I'm not using the java IRC client | 03:31 |
| @rizen | i'm connected directly | 03:31 |
| @rizen | anyway...the reason their site says that is because they host WebGUI 5 | 03:32 |
| @rizen | but most of the world runs WebGUI 7 | 03:32 |
| wgGuest66 | okay thanks for the fast response | 03:32 |
| @rizen | they're a few years behind on upgrades | 03:32 |
| wgGuest66 | So it is not accurate | 03:32 |
| @rizen | it is accurate for WebGUI 5 | 03:33 |
| @rizen | but not for WebGUI 7 | 03:33 |
| wgGuest66 | I see | 03:33 |
| wgGuest66 | Okay | 03:33 |
| wgGuest66 | So as far as hosting goes they would not be a good choice | 03:33 |
| wgGuest66 | Obviously | 03:33 |
| @rizen | Not if you want ecommerce | 03:33 |
| wgGuest66 | Any suggestions outside of PlainBlack hosting | 03:34 |
| @rizen | since i work for plain black not really | 03:35 |
| @rizen | can't bite the hand that feeds | 03:35 |
| wgGuest66 | That is okay Thanks...I just wanted something a little less expensive | 03:35 |
| wgGuest66 | with support | 03:35 |
| @preaction | it seems that most of the top sites on google for "webgui hosting" are running ancient versions :( | 03:36 |
| @preaction | geekuprising, valuecms, cybersalad | 03:36 |
| wgGuest66 | cybersalad did say they would install whatever version of WebGUI you wanted to install, so there is hope, but I still have to check out support | 03:37 |
| @rizen | sorry. i know we're not the cheapest hosting service around, but we are the best. | 03:38 |
| wgGuest66 | Thanks Rizen for your help in understanding the dilemma I was having | 03:38 |
| @rizen | if you find a good hoster you could add it to this list: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/hosters | 03:38 |
| @preaction | cybersalad's shared hostings says it runs under suexec, this means that the mod_perl-only versions will not work unless you get a dedicated host from them | 03:39 |
| @rizen | we're the only one's listed in north america currentlyy | 03:39 |
| @preaction | i don't know when ecommerce was added, if it was before or after CGI was removed | 03:39 |
| @rizen | after | 03:40 |
| @preaction | that'd be a problem | 03:40 |
| wgGuest66 | Rizen what kind of turn around from a support ticket does your company have? | 03:40 |
| @rizen | WebGUI 5.5 was the last version you could reliably run on cgi | 03:40 |
| @rizen | web support tickets posted during business hours are generally answered in 2 hours or less | 03:41 |
| wgGuest66 | Good response time | 03:41 |
| @rizen | it gets better as you go up the scale...but price does too | 03:41 |
| @rizen | phone support is usually answered immediately, or at most in less than 1 hour | 03:42 |
| wgGuest66 | I have a VDS hosting provider now, and they are running FreeBSD virtual servers, is there any documentation on setting up with this config | 03:44 |
| wgGuest66 | I tried today and I have all the requirements, but I am more Linux literate than BSD, so it is half done | 03:46 |
| @rizen | there's no special documentation unless someone has put something in the wiki | 03:46 |
| @rizen | but i can tell you that on FreeBSD you have to install GraphicsMagick in place of ImageMagick | 03:46 |
| @rizen | and change a couple of files in WebGUI, cuz FreeBSD doesn't like ImageMagick for some reason | 03:47 |
| @rizen | it creates seg faults | 03:47 |
| @rizen | because of this starting with WebGUI 7.4 we'll be using GraphicsMagick on all platforms instead of ImageMagick | 03:47 |
| +Radix-wrk | I'd recommend the WRE myself - much better and easier way of setting up WebGUI - but you'll want to use one of the binary WRE distributions if you can - that means ubuntu/rhel3/4 or OSX as the hosting platform | 03:48 |
| wgGuest66 | Thanks Rizen my wife is calling for supper...I will be doing more research soon...Cheers | 03:49 |
| +Radix-wrk | haha.. the company I work for used to be called Graphic Magic many years ago (when I first started here) :) | 03:49 |
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| @preaction | is graphicsmagick better than imagemagick? or just different? | 03:49 |
| @preaction | is that why 7.4 requires WRE 0.8? | 03:50 |
| +Radix-wrk | it's derived from imagemagick | 03:50 |
| @preaction | also, i think i finally found a 7.x hoster: http://limedaley.com | 03:50 |
| @preaction | no rate information for WebGUI, of course | 03:50 |
| @rizen | graphics magick is a more stable api...less changes | 03:50 |
| @rizen | it's a fork of image magick | 03:51 |
| @rizen | and that's one of the reasons that 7.4 requires WRE 0.8 | 03:51 |
| +Radix-wrk | I've managed to set up webgui on a generic VPS account myself - tis how I'm hosting a few webgui setups for friends/family. | 03:51 |
| @rizen | technically you'll be able to use wre 0.7.2, but you'll need to add a bunch of new modules | 03:51 |
| +Radix-wrk | interestingly enough, it's all running in 256MB ram too | 03:51 |
| @rizen | nicely done radix | 03:52 |
| +Radix-wrk | centos4 box with dual athlon 64-bit processors | 03:52 |
| @preaction | does that mean we'll have an official FreeBSD WRE build? i can offer up a build platform if drip can't handle it | 03:52 |
| +Radix-wrk | cost me US$7.50 to try it out, so figured why not | 03:52 |
| @rizen | yes we will, and drip can handle it | 03:53 |
| @preaction | sweet | 03:53 |
| +Radix-wrk | what's drip? | 03:53 |
| @rizen | it's our vmware server farm | 03:53 |
| @rizen | that's used to do wre builds | 03:53 |
| +Radix-wrk | Ahh cool | 03:53 |
| +Radix-wrk | vmware rocks doesn't it :) | 03:54 |
| @rizen | indeed | 03:54 |
| +Radix-wrk | We have a dedicated testing machine with vmware on it here and about a dozen vmware instances on it - with every kind of OS/config/language you could name for testing our own software on - it's awesome | 03:54 |
| +Radix-wrk | sweet, you rated my RFE :) | 03:57 |
| * Radix-wrk bumps it up to the top of the list. ;) | 03:57 | |
| +Radix-wrk | I'm a bit disappointed in the lack of competition for the latest macro competition.. mine seems to be the only one so far and it wasn't that impressive. Surely someone else out there can put a macro together | 04:02 |
| +Radix-wrk | I'd love to do one for google maps or something, but I don't know where to start with something like that | 04:02 |
| @preaction | gott, i was just talking with someone who was doing that | 04:02 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah? | 04:03 |
| @preaction | oh, jamestolley was doing that | 04:03 |
| +Radix-wrk | awesome | 04:03 |
| @preaction | the new full-time dev here | 04:03 |
| +Radix-wrk | Hey.. for something like that you'd need to add stuff to the head block of the page to include the right js/stylesheets/etc. How can you do that from a macro? | 04:04 |
| @preaction | short answer: you can't | 04:04 |
| +Radix-wrk | :( | 04:04 |
| @preaction | but with JS it's not an issue, they're legal anywhere | 04:04 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah, I know you can embed it, but it's not as nice | 04:04 |
| @preaction | style is read anywhere, but it won't pass validation | 04:04 |
| @preaction | at least, i haven't found a browser yet that will ignore style inside of body, but that's subject to change should browsers ever start requiring well-formed xhtml | 04:05 |
| +Radix-wrk | I was hoping there was some webgui api call you could make to add to the head section | 04:05 |
| @preaction | it | 04:05 |
| +Radix-wrk | since obviously assets can do that | 04:06 |
| @preaction | 's not that, it's when macros are parsed | 04:06 |
| @preaction | and here i am talking on IRC for 45 minutes when i should be out doing laundry... | 04:08 |
| +Radix-wrk | go do your laundry :) | 04:08 |
| +Radix-wrk | thanks for the chat tho :) | 04:09 |
| @rizen | macros are the very last thing that's processed before the page is sent back to the browser | 04:12 |
| @rizen | and since the page is sent back in chunks | 04:12 |
| @rizen | the head block has usually already been sent by the time your macro would get processed | 04:12 |
| @rizen | unless you rmacro was in the head block | 04:13 |
| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. so you could use a combination of macros to do it then.. a head block macro, and several page based macros.. | 04:21 |
| @rizen | i guess that would depend on what it is you want it to do | 04:21 |
| +Radix-wrk | google maps macros | 04:23 |
| +Radix-wrk | if jamestolley is working on it tho, I'll leave it, but I was considering tackling it earlier after the experience with doing the gravatar macro | 04:24 |
| +Radix-wrk | google maps api is pretty flexible tho, so trying to encapsulate that into a single macro or even a bunch of macros would be hard | 04:24 |
| +Radix-wrk | I might have a look at the flickr api perhaps, see how easy that is to do | 04:25 |
| @rizen | we're going to do a similar contest to this one that integrates an asset into an external service | 04:26 |
| @rizen | the google maps api would be good for that one | 04:26 |
| +Radix-wrk | Ahh, yes - you're right I guess, an asset would be a better container | 04:26 |
| @rizen | macros are good for retrieving stuff in this situation, but not being interactive | 04:27 |
| +Radix-wrk | all stuff i want to learn, which is why I've participated in these comp's - getting me actually attempting to make a macro, etc :) | 04:28 |
| @rizen | excellent..well we're glad you are participating | 04:30 |
| @rizen | i just wish we could get you some competition | 04:31 |
| +Radix-wrk | I know.. I wish there was more too - I could learn from them too :) | 04:31 |
| +Radix-wrk | besides, you're going to be sick of sending me shwag bag's soon! :) | 04:32 |
| @rizen | bah | 04:32 |
| @rizen | i'll keep sending them to you as long as you keep winning | 04:32 |
| @rizen | eventually you'll be able to wear nothing but webgui tshirts | 04:32 |
| @rizen | and decorate your house with gooey's | 04:32 |
| +Radix-wrk | I haven't received the first package yet.. hoping it will come soon. | 04:33 |
| +Radix-wrk | Which reminds me, I need to submit some 'Gooey On The Go' photos when I do my next photoshoot | 04:33 |
| +Radix-wrk | my other hobby is photography :) | 04:33 |
| @rizen | i can't believe you didn't get the first one yet | 04:34 |
| @rizen | that's rediculus | 04:34 |
| @rizen | i sent it to you 4 months ago or something like that | 04:34 |
| +Radix-wrk | Don't spose there was a tracking number or anything like that at all? | 04:34 |
| @rizen | no, i sent it ground cuz otherwise it was going to cost me $100 to airmail it | 04:35 |
| +Radix-wrk | Wiki comp ended march 1st, so prize prolly send mid-late march? - so it'd be two-three months since sent | 04:36 |
| +Radix-wrk | Oh no.. one month of voting too | 04:36 |
| +Radix-wrk | so sent mid-april - 2 months or so | 04:36 |
| @rizen | wiki comp was over at the end of jan | 04:36 |
| @rizen | and voting was over at the end of feb | 04:37 |
| +Radix-wrk | http://webgui.org/wcc/wiki-how-to | 04:37 |
| @rizen | holy crap you're right | 04:37 |
| @rizen | i thought for sure we did that at the beginning of the year | 04:37 |
| +Radix-wrk | prolly when the planning started :) | 04:37 |
| @rizen | anyway..if you have a paypal account, and would prefer i can just send the money to you that way | 04:38 |
| @rizen | and since it will save me shipping and schwag i can up it to $300 instead of $250 | 04:38 |
| +Radix-wrk | I have a paypal account | 04:38 |
| @rizen | that way you'll get it instantly rather than having to wait months | 04:38 |
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| +Radix-wrk | jessek@formsys.com | 04:39 |
| @rizen | howdy wes | 04:39 |
| wjw61 | evening.. | 04:39 |
| @rizen | can you email it to me so i don't forget it? | 04:39 |
| +Radix-wrk | yup, will do it now | 04:39 |
| @rizen | i wont' be doing it now...but probably early next week | 04:40 |
| +Radix-wrk | np | 04:40 |
| wjw61 | rizen you on skype? | 04:40 |
| @rizen | i can be | 04:43 |
| @rizen | do you need me to be? | 04:43 |
| wjw61 | sorry, jamie just called and answered my question.. | 04:46 |
| SDuensin | rizen ! Dude, I got a weird one over here. Full images have been replaced by thumbnails! WTF? | 04:47 |
| @rizen | it's the way i prefer it SD | 04:48 |
| SDuensin | Why did it eat my images? | 04:48 |
| SDuensin | The names are all correct in the asset manager. When you mouse over them, some link to the thumbnail versions! | 04:49 |
| +Radix-wrk | thumbnails are generally displayed in the asset manager for the assets by default | 04:50 |
| +Radix-wrk | if you click on the thumbnail it should show the full image tho | 04:51 |
| SDuensin | But why did some of the links change to the "thumb-" version? | 04:51 |
| SDuensin | With over 2000 images on my other site, I'm kinda concerned! | 04:52 |
| @rizen | SD you can't just come on here and say "why is my site fucked up" | 04:52 |
| @rizen | you haven't told us what's changed | 04:52 |
| @rizen | did you upgrade | 04:52 |
| @rizen | did you move stuff around | 04:52 |
| @rizen | did you put in some custom code | 04:52 |
| @rizen | did gremlins raid your server | 04:52 |
| @rizen | you should know better | 04:53 |
| @rizen | if you want help, help us help you | 04:53 |
| SDuensin | In order: No. No. No. Maybe. Apparently I don't. I'm trying! | 04:54 |
| SDuensin | :-P | 04:54 |
| SDuensin | I really don't know what to tell you. It was fine. Now it's not. I wasn't even working on it. | 04:54 |
| SDuensin | For grins, I tried a rebuildLineage. Didn't do squat. Apparently the lineage is fine. | 04:56 |
| @rizen | well stuff like that doesn't just happen | 04:56 |
| @rizen | someone did something | 04:56 |
| @rizen | consult the assetHistory table | 04:56 |
| @rizen | and see if it has any answers for you | 04:56 |
| SDuensin | Uh. Ok. Please wait. :-) | 04:57 |
| SDuensin | Something happened. Dunno what. | 05:00 |
| SDuensin | How would you even perform an edit like that? | 05:00 |
| SDuensin | The original title and name were "l_7f5adecf55599006cdd8e5fbf525e2fa.jpg". Now the "Current File" says "thumb-l_7f5adecf55599006cdd8e5fbf525e2fa.jpg". | 05:02 |
| @rizen | where are you seeing that? | 05:02 |
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| SDuensin | Only way I can think to do it would be to download the thumbnail and re-upload it. | 05:02 |
| SDuensin | In the asset manager on the "Edit Image" page. | 05:03 |
| @rizen | yeah i got that | 05:03 |
| @rizen | i don't mean generally | 05:03 |
| @rizen | specifically | 05:03 |
| @rizen | what field displays it? | 05:03 |
| SDuensin | "Title" and "Menu Title" are "l_7f5adecf55599006cdd8e5fbf525e2fa.jpg" as expected. Current File is "thumb-l_7f5adecf55599006cdd8e5fbf525e2fa.jpg". | 05:03 |
| @rizen | click on the thumbnail and find out the actual url of the file | 05:04 |
| SDuensin | http://vgstest.jaegertech.net/uploads/rZ/UY/rZUYl2DvhCfFSyWUqDCE0w/thumb-l_7f5adecf55599006cdd8e5fbf525e2fa.jpg | 05:04 |
| @rizen | now do: | 05:04 |
| @rizen | cd /data/domains/vgstest.jaegertech.net/public/uploads/rZ/UY/rzUY..../ | 05:05 |
| @rizen | and find out what's in that folder | 05:05 |
| SDuensin | .wgaccess | 05:06 |
| SDuensin | l_7f5adecf55599006cdd8e5fbf525e2fa.jpg | 05:06 |
| SDuensin | thumb-l_7f5adecf55599006cdd8e5fbf525e2fa.jpg | 05:06 |
| SDuensin | thumb-thumb-l_7f5adecf55599006cdd8e5fbf525e2fa.jpg | 05:06 |
| @rizen | interesting...now look at the revision history (through the asset manager) of this asset | 05:07 |
| @rizen | and see when it was last edited | 05:07 |
| @rizen | and by who | 05:07 |
| @rizen | and look at the old version and see if it's messed up | 05:07 |
| SDuensin | Two revisions, both by me. Newest one is wrong, old one is fine. | 05:08 |
| @rizen | and when was the new one created? | 05:08 |
| SDuensin | 6/2/07 @ 9:43AM | 05:08 |
| SDuensin | If I click the "X", will that roll it back? | 05:09 |
| @rizen | so it's been screwed up for quite some time then | 05:09 |
| @rizen | yes | 05:09 |
| SDuensin | Guess so. | 05:09 |
| SDuensin | Very weird. | 05:09 |
| @rizen | gotta go. be back in a few hours | 05:11 |
| SDuensin | Thanks bud. I'm still your #1 fan. :-) | 05:11 |
| +Radix-wrk | get in line bud! | 05:19 |
| * Radix-wrk takes a peek at SD's website and recognises pjesi's theme with a few tweaks :) | 05:20 | |
| +Radix-wrk | SD: notice you're trying to hide the account login portion - one little thing I've been playing with of late is concealing the whole login/adminbar stuff in hidden/visible divs - then using javascript to display it if a little button is pressed | 05:23 |
| +Radix-wrk | there's still a bug in my javascript somewhere - but you're welcome to take a look at it if you wanted and borrow the same idea for your site | 05:24 |
| +Radix-wrk | http://www.juga.biz - there's a tiny little corner piece in the top right part of the style - you need to click it twice the first time tho for it to work (that's the bug) | 05:25 |
| SDuensin | I found the problem! | 05:26 |
| SDuensin | If I edit the URL of an uploaded picture and commit it, it screws it up. | 05:26 |
| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. interesting - sounds like a bug | 05:27 |
| * SDuensin agrees | 05:27 | |
| SDuensin | That's two bugs I've found! I'll post it later - I gotta run. | 05:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | what's WGBP for returning sets of objects if one of the set isn't an object? | 07:34 |
| +perlDreamer | Does it throw a fatal, or log a warning, or what? | 07:34 |
| @rizen | sets of objects | 07:52 |
| @rizen | and one isn't an object | 07:52 |
| @rizen | can you give me an example? | 07:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Like getting a set of objects from WebGUI::Workflow::Instance, where one of the array members is undef | 07:54 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/spectre-should-check-that-it-has-a-valid-workflow#lHx4BxEUxcacX7rS5VLxeg | 07:54 |
| @rizen | the method that generates the list should be checking for the validity of the objects that it's creating | 07:55 |
| @rizen | removing them from the list if they are invalid | 07:55 |
| @rizen | and throwing an error to the log | 07:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Will do, probably tomorrow | 07:56 |
| +perlDreamer | tomorrow --bug | 07:57 |
| @rizen | hey...you can't count that | 07:57 |
| @rizen | =) | 07:57 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning. | 15:43 |
| +Radix_ | evenin' | 15:56 |
| * SDuensin just filed a bug report for his weird image issue. | 16:03 | |
| +Radix_ | Oh, susanb already posted it | 16:04 |
| +Radix_ | she posted it last week | 16:04 |
| +Radix_ | I ran into the same bug today myself | 16:04 |
| +Radix_ | all I did was change the template used on an image and it screwed up | 16:04 |
| SDuensin | DOH! | 16:07 |
| SDuensin | Well, fix it so we all quit posting about it! :-P | 16:07 |
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| AMH_bob | Good morning from the beautiful town of Valkenswaard! | 16:15 |
| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:16 |
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| diakopter | good morning from Wichita, KS. | 17:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | --bug | 20:55 |
| SDuensin | bug++ | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, you have to submit __unique__ bugs to bug++ :) | 21:03 |
| SDuensin | ++bug-- | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | It would be cool if perlbot couldn't those automatically | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | s/couldn't/count/ | 21:03 |
| @preaction | perlbot karma bug | 21:14 |
| perlbot | bug doesn't have any karma | 21:14 |
| @preaction | bug++ | 21:14 |
| @preaction | perlbot karma bug | 21:14 |
| perlbot | Karma for bug: 1 | 21:14 |
| @preaction | --bug | 21:14 |
| @preaction | perlbot karma bug | 21:14 |
| perlbot | Karma for bug: 1 | 21:14 |
| @preaction | it would if you used postfix like normal people | 21:15 |
| SDuensin | hehehe | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Using perl makes me lazy | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | prefix guarantees no mystery behavior | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, that's a nasty bug | 21:28 |
| +perlDreamer | The good news is that the original file isn't being altered | 21:28 |
| +perlDreamer | It's just the filename | 21:28 |
| +perlDreamer | It's taking the thumbnail filename instead of its original filename | 21:28 |
| SDuensin | Yea. Major pain. :-) | 21:29 |
| SDuensin | If I fix my URLs, I break my images! | 21:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Really weird. | 22:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Small images don't seem to trigger it | 22:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Just large ones | 22:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Maybe it's just intermittent. | 22:23 |
| SDuensin | Happened to me every time. Gotta commit though. | 22:25 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 22:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I had one without commit happen | 22:31 |
| +perlDreamer | um, I had one happen without committing | 22:31 |
| SDuensin | Wow. Proactive of it. :-) | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | Well, I did go back and edit the URL before I committed it | 22:32 |
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| dhelsten | Hey guys, I'm not a programmer, but would like to keep more up to date with webgui happenings. | 23:50 |
| @rizen | great | 23:53 |
| @rizen | are you saying you'd like to contribute? | 23:53 |
| @rizen | or just hang out? | 23:53 |
| @rizen | or something else? | 23:53 |
| dhelsten | In the forums I've read about JT's plans for the overhaul of the SQLform into "Thingy". I've been tasked with moving some simple MSAccess data onto the web. I'd prefer to use Webgui on an existing site but I haven't seen enough documentation on SQLform to know if it will do the trick. Right now I'm toying with coghead and zoho creator to do the job. Any timeline on the "Thingy"? | 23:54 |
| @rizen | it is being worked on, but no..no timeline | 23:56 |
| @rizen | my guess is not until fall | 23:56 |
| dhelsten | Would it be worth it to try and create something in SQLform or just wait? ie will there be an upgrade path? | 23:57 |
| @rizen | there won't be an upgrade path | 23:57 |
| @rizen | they are very different beasts | 23:57 |
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| dhelsten | My main goal is to be able to display a single record (ie contact info) and inside of the form for that record to display multiple related records based on critera (ie name of last 5 events they attended) This would require 3 tables "contact info" "attendance" "events". Is this something SQLform can do well? Is this something that Thingy will be able to do? | 00:04 |
| @rizen | sorry for the delay..had a phone call | 00:23 |
| @rizen | The thingy will be able to do it, and i'm pretty sure that SQL Form could as well | 00:24 |
| @rizen | in general though coghead and zoho creator will be better apps for you than SQL Form | 00:26 |
| @rizen | the only advantage SQL Form gives you is that it's in WebGUI | 00:26 |
| @rizen | Thingy wil be more like the other two | 00:26 |
| dhelsten | Thanks for the info. Now I just need to decide if it can wait. The data isn't terribly complex so perhaps I will build it in one and then migrate. Thanks for the info | 00:56 |
| dhelsten | In terms of my intentions, I'd really like to get more into webgui but some of the docs are thin (I learn by example and need more "lets build a page that looks like this and does that" type of documentation") | 01:00 |
| dhelsten | I have a webgui-run site at http://newcastlecapital.com | 01:01 |
| @rizen | have you got the Content Managers Guide? | 01:02 |
| dhelsten | I bought a WGDR subscription about a year ago. | 01:02 |
| dhelsten | I just purchased the CMG | 01:02 |
| dhelsten | I was rather disappointed. | 01:02 |
| @rizen | disappointed with CMG? | 01:03 |
| @rizen | or WDR? | 01:03 |
| @rizen | or both? | 01:03 |
| dhelsten | Both actually and the CMG just seemed like a simple reworking of the CMG | 01:03 |
| dhelsten | WDR that is | 01:04 |
| dhelsten | They are both coming from a reference perspective which doesn't work for me. | 01:05 |
| @rizen | You're the first person that has told me they were disappointed with the CMG | 01:05 |
| @rizen | what are you talking about....they literally show you how to do stuff | 01:06 |
| @rizen | step by step | 01:06 |
| @rizen | step 1 do this | 01:06 |
| @rizen | step 2 do that | 01:06 |
| @rizen | there are dozens and dozens of step by step lists in CMG | 01:06 |
| dhelsten | This is true, there are many step by step lists just as the videos in the WDR were had all of the steps. | 01:08 |
| dhelsten | My feeling is that the overall approach seems a bit backward. | 01:09 |
| @rizen | if it were reference oriented it would just tell you what the fields are | 01:09 |
| @rizen | ok...we want to improve it, so could you tell me how it could be better? what should we be doing differently? | 01:09 |
| dhelsten | To me it feels like it was written with the intent of explaining what every asset (or macro) in webgui does. | 01:11 |
| dhelsten | For example: | 01:11 |
| dhelsten | Collaboration System - Use this asset if you want to create something which you can use to collaborate with others. | 01:13 |
| dhelsten | The steps to creating this are "Step 1" Step 2 Step 3 | 01:13 |
| dhelsten | This is why I said that it seems more like a reference book, because you start with the asset. | 01:14 |
| @rizen | but then it goes on and shows you how to use it for job postings, photo galleries, and more | 01:15 |
| dhelsten | That is correct. | 01:15 |
| dhelsten | But you still are starting with the asset first | 01:15 |
| dhelsten | To me that is reference. | 01:15 |
| dhelsten | Let me use photoshop as an example | 01:16 |
| @rizen | ok...so to you that means reference, but you're not saying what is bad about it | 01:16 |
| @rizen | you say you want to be shown how to do something | 01:16 |
| dhelsten | Exactly right. | 01:16 |
| @rizen | and it does show you how to create a photo gallery for example | 01:16 |
| @rizen | and if you look in the table of contents, photo gallery is one of the itemms | 01:16 |
| @rizen | so you can jump straight to that page | 01:16 |
| @rizen | and start reating | 01:16 |
| @rizen | reading | 01:16 |
| @rizen | so what am i missing? | 01:17 |
| dhelsten | I make up that you are pretty defensive about this and perhaps not willing to follow my thoughts well so I'm not sure how productive this exchange will be for either of us. | 01:18 |
| nuba | i agree with dhelsten about the way the exchange is going | 01:20 |
| nuba | i think it started around this point: | 01:20 |
| nuba | 14:04 <@rizen> what are you talking about....they literally show you how to do stuff | 01:20 |
| nuba | dhelsten: you can still elaborate on your feedback and post it here, tho | 01:22 |
| @rizen | you're right, i am being defensive...but not for the reason that you think | 01:22 |
| @rizen | i'm being defensive because you keep saying that it's "a reference" and that's not good, but so far you have yet to say what we could do to make it better | 01:22 |
| @rizen | you keep talking and say nothing | 01:22 |
| @rizen | so i'm not defensive so much as i feel like this conversation is wasting my time | 01:23 |
| @rizen | i'll shut up now and let you talk...i'd just like you to give me a concrete example of what should have been there that you didn't find | 01:23 |
| dhelsten | My purpose is not to waste your time and if you have other things to do, then by all means do them. I'll go ahead and post my feedback and you can read it at your leisure. | 01:25 |
| nuba | dhelsten: the point is, please elaborate on your feedback | 01:27 |
| nuba | a good feedback is always appreciated | 01:27 |
| dhelsten | I was going to give a photoshop example because that is an area that I'm more familiar with. While I have built a webgui site, it was mostly by rebuiding the demo site. Now the example | 01:27 |
| nuba | good as is thought-of, and logically sound | 01:28 |
| nuba | s/is/in/ | 01:28 |
| @rizen | nuba: thank you for moderating the discussion | 01:28 |
| nuba | my pleasure | 01:28 |
| dhelsten | First off, in the CMG I was hoping for tutorials. | 01:29 |
| dhelsten | In photoshop a tutorial would mean "lets change the background color of the sky" | 01:29 |
| dhelsten | Here is what we do: First select the magic wand tool. | 01:30 |
| dhelsten | Second, change the tolerance to 30 | 01:30 |
| dhelsten | Third create a new layer by doing such and such | 01:31 |
| dhelsten | 23 use the color picker to choose a dark blue color.... | 01:31 |
| dhelsten | In a tutorial as I define it, there is a clear objective that will demostrate the use of multiple tools | 01:32 |
| @rizen | yup i get it...now tell me something you'd want to do in webgui that wasn't explained in the book? | 01:33 |
| dhelsten | If we liken tools in photoshop to the various prebuilt packages in webgui (Gallery, Wiki) | 01:33 |
| @rizen | just the objective | 01:33 |
| @rizen | you don't have to tell me how to do it..i just want the goal that was missing | 01:33 |
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| dhelsten | Then I would like a tutorial that as its objective would be to create a complete web page | 01:34 |
| dhelsten | From start to finish | 01:35 |
| dhelsten | It would go step by step from creating a simple style, a simple page template, a simple css snippet, | 01:35 |
| dhelsten | adding a simple custom CS asset, and a simple navigation element. | 01:36 |
| dhelsten | It wouldn't need to be pretty, but show how everthing ties together. | 01:37 |
| @rizen | you're talking about design | 01:37 |
| @rizen | that's a whole seperate book | 01:37 |
| @rizen | it's coming out at the end of july | 01:37 |
| @rizen | this is the content managers guide...not the designers guide | 01:38 |
| nuba | i think the key here i think is the 'tie together' part | 01:38 |
| @rizen | and it does show you how to create a page from beginning to end page 9-13 | 01:38 |
| nuba | dhelsten: do you know oreilly's "in a nutshell" book series ? | 01:39 |
| @rizen | everything he's asking for is covered both as reference and tutorial in the designers guide | 01:39 |
| dhelsten | Yes I'm familiar with the series | 01:40 |
| nuba | it looks like you were expecting more like the "cookbook" series, then | 01:41 |
| nuba | now, have this in mind, | 01:41 |
| dhelsten | Nuba, I think you've got it. I learn by example that introduces me to sever elements and how they interact | 01:41 |
| nuba | unlike photoshop, webgui assets aren't so close knit together | 01:41 |
| nuba | and actually the ways they can relate are just a bunch | 01:42 |
| dhelsten | This is true but the interactions between Page Templates, Style Templates, snippets and the prebuilt assets are closely related | 01:43 |
| nuba | true | 01:43 |
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| @rizen | i think that the reason you are disappointed here is not because the content you're looking for is missing, but rather because you've got the wrong book | 01:43 |
| dhelsten | I guess I misread the intended audience of the CMG. | 01:43 |
| @rizen | CMG is about publishing, and once you're in the publishing process you're not doing css, navigation, etc | 01:44 |
| nuba | dhelsten: so you think these could have been better explained in the book ? | 01:44 |
| nuba | with a "in a nutshell" state of mind ? | 01:44 |
| @rizen | the designers guide is over 300 pages talking exclusively about HTML, CSS, templates, snippets, navigation, styles, page layouts, and how they relate together | 01:45 |
| @rizen | and more than half the book is "cookbook" style documentation | 01:45 |
| nuba | rizen: the designers guide description sounds cool to me | 01:45 |
| nuba | rizen: but i'd miss some explanation in a "nutshell" kind of book too | 01:46 |
| @rizen | well maybe at some point we'll have to make an "in a nutshell" book, but at this point i think we need to get the main documentation out there | 01:46 |
| @rizen | first was CM Guide | 01:46 |
| nuba | ie. at least someting illustrating how the asset relate to a template | 01:46 |
| @rizen | second is designers | 01:46 |
| @rizen | third is admin | 01:46 |
| @rizen | fourth is Commerce | 01:46 |
| @rizen | what you just said is included in the design book | 01:47 |
| nuba | heh | 01:47 |
| nuba | suppose I already know plenty of html, css, etc. | 01:47 |
| @rizen | i guess i should say it this way | 01:47 |
| @rizen | if it's about how something looks, then it's in the design book | 01:47 |
| nuba | and I only want to know how that fits into the webgui's way | 01:48 |
| @rizen | if it's about the content, regardless of how it looks, then it's in the cm book | 01:48 |
| nuba | ok. where would go a general map of webgui ? | 01:48 |
| @rizen | what do you mean "general map" | 01:48 |
| nuba | how things relate, where should I look while in the task of understanding the next hop in my quest to build a site with webgui from start to finish | 01:49 |
| nuba | where start would be a fresh install ready and working | 01:49 |
| nuba | not from the "compiling WRE" start | 01:49 |
| nuba | general map as in "big picture" | 01:49 |
| @rizen | the getting started guide in the wiki | 01:49 |
| @rizen | because if you're at that phase | 01:49 |
| @rizen | you likely haven't bought documentation yet | 01:49 |
| nuba | i think thats related to how dhelsten got frustrated | 01:50 |
| dhelsten | yes. nuba spot on. | 01:50 |
| nuba | he got each tool explained thoroughly | 01:50 |
| dhelsten | but didn't know where to start | 01:50 |
| @rizen | where you start is entirely based upon your perspective | 01:51 |
| @rizen | are you an admin, are you a designer, are you a cm? | 01:51 |
| @rizen | are you building a store? | 01:51 |
| @rizen | and in your case, you may be all those people | 01:51 |
| nuba | a couple of "starting your website" examples would be cool | 01:51 |
| dhelsten | I think for me just a good walk through of how the demo (starting) site is tied together would be a good start. | 01:52 |
| @rizen | i just don't understand what would go into that sort of thing | 01:53 |
| nuba | ie. i always start with a clean design and build the tree, then go about adding content with articles, then the non-articles assets, then work on my CSS w/ other programs then back to turn it into a (set of) webgui templates, then build the final navigation. | 01:53 |
| nuba | just look at that paragraph | 01:53 |
| nuba | suppose we would specialize it a bit more | 01:53 |
| @rizen | nuba: what you just said is all covered in the designers guide | 01:53 |
| nuba | turn into three paragraphs | 01:54 |
| nuba | choose a specific kind of website to elaborate on the idea | 01:54 |
| dhelsten | If that is what is in the designer's guide then great, sign me up! | 01:54 |
| nuba | well if I already know all about html, css, etc. it would suck for me to buy a book just for that | 01:55 |
| @rizen | those are each just chapters in that book | 01:55 |
| nuba | maybe its a couple of pages you could include in all books in the series :) | 01:55 |
| @rizen | it doesn't make sense to do that | 01:55 |
| @rizen | a content manager simply does not design anything | 01:55 |
| @rizen | adding that to the cm guide would only confuse your average content manager | 01:55 |
| nuba | rizen: heh well im afraid in brazil people have to wear sooo many hats that its really alien to see things sliced that way :D | 01:56 |
| @rizen | the problem that you guys are having, and that i seem to be failing to get across is that you are BOTH roles | 01:56 |
| @rizen | yes...that's what i'm saying | 01:56 |
| @rizen | so why the hell would i put designers content into the cm guide | 01:56 |
| @rizen | [if you're both roles | 01:56 |
| @rizen | then you need both books | 01:56 |
| @rizen | perido | 01:56 |
| @rizen | period | 01:56 |
| nuba | not quite | 01:57 |
| nuba | let me elaborate | 01:57 |
| nuba | in my example of paragraph-big cookbook: >i always start with a clean design and build the tree, then go about adding content with articles, then the non-articles assets, >>> then work on my CSS w/ other programs then back to turn it into a (set of) webgui templates <<< then build the final navigation. | 01:59 |
| nuba | see the >> stuff indicated <<< | 01:59 |
| nuba | i would handle the designer a book teaching him html, css, and whatever | 01:59 |
| dhelsten | I agree, when I hear "designer", CSS comes to mind, not really the design of the "webgui structure" | 02:00 |
| @preaction | what good is knowing html/css without knowing how to use it with webgui? | 02:01 |
| nuba | in my opinion, webdesigner ia a thing, information architecture is another, much more close to the content manager's role than to the webdesigner's role | 02:01 |
| @rizen | this going nowhere. until you can see the designers book then you can't comment on it. i've read it. i know what's there and what's not. once it's out we can do this conversation again and you can tell me what's missing | 02:03 |
| nuba | is there a TOC online or anything ? | 02:04 |
| @rizen | the book has not been released yet | 02:05 |
| @rizen | i told you it's coming out at the end of july | 02:05 |
| nuba | TOC = table of contents | 02:05 |
| nuba | or summary | 02:05 |
| nuba | or whatever | 02:05 |
| nuba | is it still in the works ? | 02:05 |
| @rizen | i just said no | 02:05 |
| nuba | k | 02:06 |
| dhelsten | I look forward to it. I think it will be helpful to getting up and running. Frankly, there is some basic stuff I don't know. | 02:06 |
| nuba | well, to wrap it up, dhelsten: it looks like you purchased a reference book, "nutshell" style, while you were hoping for a site building tutorial, à la "cookbook" series, right ? | 02:07 |
| dhelsten | I think that is part of it. Also, didn't have a clear understanding of content manager vs designer | 02:07 |
| dhelsten | If both had been out and the time I made the purchase, I definitely would have recognized that it was | 02:08 |
| nuba | rizen: it seems to me you have a very strict and clear idea about separation of roles | 02:08 |
| nuba | rizen: maybe if you could elaborate more on that in the material promoting the books, | 02:08 |
| dhelsten | the designer book that I needed. | 02:08 |
| nuba | it would be cool | 02:08 |
| dhelsten | I've gone back and reread the blurb on lulu. It isn't inaccurate. Since it was the only book out at the time, I guess thought it would cover more bases. Now I see that it is just the tip of the iceburg | 02:10 |
| dhelsten | As for specific comments on the book, I will say that the font could be smaller and the inside margin was pretty close to the spine. | 02:14 |
| dhelsten | Since it does go asset by asset, having the asset name at the top or bottom of the page would have been helpful for thumbing through. | 02:14 |
| @rizen | excellent comments | 02:15 |
| @rizen | i also think that the font is HUGE, unfortunately we are required to use that size font | 02:15 |
| nuba | why? | 02:16 |
| @rizen | we work with a lot of schools and governments that have regulations on it for vision impaired people | 02:16 |
| nuba | i see | 02:16 |
| @rizen | also, apparently middle aged people (45+) with eyesight on the way out find it much easier to read | 02:17 |
| @rizen | i've actually received emails and phone calls from people thanking me for the big font | 02:19 |
| nuba | nice | 02:22 |
| dhelsten | Another comment: While the step by step is very thorough, it is also repetitive. I would take out the steps that are common to all assets | 02:24 |
| @rizen | we thought about that too | 02:24 |
| @rizen | the problem is that most people don't read it cover to cover | 02:24 |
| @rizen | so if they had to skip around they'd be disappointed | 02:24 |
| @rizen | most people use it as a tutorial to learn exactly what they need to do right now, and then put the book away | 02:25 |
| dhelsten | I figured as much. | 02:25 |
| @rizen | it's hard pleasing everyone | 02:26 |
| dhelsten | It is now clear to me that this really is a book for an end user who never really sees the inner workings | 02:26 |
| dhelsten | In that context I don't have as many complaints. | 02:27 |
| @rizen | i swear to you that the other book is exactly what you are looking for | 02:27 |
| @rizen | it covers everything you and nuba asked about | 02:27 |
| dhelsten | Frankly, I don't even know how to set up the tree. For example: Do I leave the templates in the import node or copy them out? create new templates in the import node or do I create a separate folder? outside or inside the home directory? etc? | 02:30 |
| nuba | well i like cookbooks more than nutshells | 02:30 |
| nuba | i only have the perl nutshell one cause it came with the perl cd bookshelf | 02:31 |
| nuba | cookbooks solving interesting problems with sound and clever strategy, thats much more fun !! :) | 02:31 |
| dhelsten | I hope the designer book discusses the tree and architecture of the site. I'd also like to see a strategy section related to building asset trees that work in clever ways with navigation. | 02:33 |
| @rizen | both are discussed | 02:34 |
| dhelsten | Great | 02:34 |
| dhelsten | I can't wait until July and have one more question. Right now I have a Blog CS inside of a Page Layout. However you click on a story, the link goes straight to the story and I loose the page layout. How do I make it open inside of the same page layout? | 02:38 |
| @rizen | you have to make sure that the style on the CS is the same as the style on the page | 02:38 |
| dhelsten | The styles are the same. Let me give two links for an example. http://newcastlecapital.com/en/recent-events11 | 02:40 |
| dhelsten | Go to this one, then click on one of the stories. | 02:40 |
| @rizen | your style doesn't include the things on the left, does it? | 02:42 |
| dhelsten | No it doesn't. | 02:43 |
| @rizen | if it's not part of the style, then why would you assume that the posts would have it on the page? | 02:44 |
| dhelsten | I figured that the posts would use the same page layout as the master cs | 02:44 |
| @rizen | you are confusing "page layout" with style | 02:45 |
| @rizen | page layout is just an asset that displays other assets | 02:45 |
| @rizen | in this case you told it to display the content of the collaboration system | 02:45 |
| @rizen | but the posts are not the collaboration system..they are each their own assets | 02:46 |
| @rizen | threads can be moved from one CS to another via cut/paste, therefore they aren't part of the same asset | 02:46 |
| @rizen | the page layout will only retain it's content so long as you are viewing the URL of the page layout | 02:47 |
| @rizen | but when you move away from that URL then you're just dealing with whatever the asset is | 02:47 |
| @rizen | it may be another page layout | 02:47 |
| @rizen | it may just be a thread | 02:47 |
| dhelsten | So am I essentially creating one style per page if I want anything other than the content to look differnt | 02:48 |
| dhelsten | ? | 02:48 |
| @rizen | if every page in your site needs to look differently then i suppose you are creating one style per page | 02:49 |
| @rizen | more likely though you'd be creating a style for the entire site, or a style per section | 02:49 |
| dhelsten | right. | 02:50 |
| nuba | i guess i'd love to see yet another book.. this one would be "designing webgui: project decisions and application design, architecture, etc. how it came to be like that, the gory details, etc.. " :) | 02:50 |
| nuba | "hacking webgui" would be cool too | 02:50 |
| nuba | like, the nasty apps people were doing with SQL report back in the day... :D | 02:51 |
| dhelsten | So in general, all nav elements as I'm using them should be part of the style, right? | 02:51 |
| @rizen | yes | 02:51 |
| nuba | all you needed was a database, the database link, and a SQL Report w/ "preprocess macros on query" checked. and there you would go building your webapp in 10 minutes :) | 02:52 |
| dhelsten | I've been too stingy with the style templates. I had the impression that it was one style per site and was trying to do things with the Page Layout that it isn't supposed to do. Thanks for the info. | 02:55 |
| dhelsten | Time to head home. I appreciate your comments rizen and look forward to the next guide. Nuba thanks for helping to clarify my disjointed thoughts. | 02:56 |
| nuba | np | 03:00 |
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| nuba | rizen: i have a webgui-based project im starting and I know I'll have to do some coding, and I'd like to contribute with as much as possible of whatever's created back to webgui. so I wonder if I could discuss this with you a bit | 03:11 |
| @rizen | sure, shoot | 03:11 |
| nuba | ok, let me outline the project a bit. this is a grant i've got from the government, to build a portal dedicated to whats called by unesco 'untangible heritage' | 03:12 |
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| nuba | i need a map, in which it should be possible to add points or lines with comments, and links | 03:14 |
| nuba | for that i plan to use google maps' api | 03:14 |
| @rizen | sweet, i've been wanting to build this myself forever | 03:14 |
| @rizen | just haven't had time | 03:14 |
| nuba | the map people will use to add content like "i went to this place and saw that and that piece of intangible cultural heritage" | 03:15 |
| nuba | and i want them to do add content based on the map | 03:15 |
| nuba | but that should be tied somehow to something like a wiki (?) | 03:15 |
| nuba | people would submit videos, audio, images | 03:16 |
| nuba | in a interface somehow like flickr's | 03:16 |
| nuba | a good gallery | 03:16 |
| nuba | with a good zoom | 03:16 |
| nuba | not sure if the best bet is the USS asset | 03:16 |
| nuba | i've been thinking of a specialized media-management asset | 03:16 |
| nuba | so you have a random piece of media | 03:16 |
| nuba | and you create attributes based on what you want to manage there | 03:17 |
| nuba | then go on adding content and filling the fields | 03:17 |
| nuba | so, some annotated gallery | 03:17 |
| nuba | and you would need to manage sets of content | 03:17 |
| nuba | arbitrary sets | 03:17 |
| nuba | or sets created by queries on the attributes | 03:18 |
| nuba | that would be for the media | 03:18 |
| nuba | so there we have, a map interface, a gallery, let me see.. | 03:18 |
| nuba | just a setc. | 03:18 |
| nuba | sec. | 03:18 |
| nuba | oh, text content is "media" i have to handle too, just for completeness' sake | 03:19 |
| nuba | also, i want to make it as multilingual as possible | 03:20 |
| nuba | is there any elegant way to handle that yet ? or just copy the branch and translate ? | 03:20 |
| nuba | or maybe tonnes of calls to text snippets.. | 03:21 |
| nuba | and on the media management thing, | 03:21 |
| nuba | i would need some content review/comment/approval cycle | 03:21 |
| nuba | which i suppose could be handled just fine with the current workflow | 03:22 |
| nuba | system | 03:22 |
| nuba | we have | 03:22 |
| nuba | in webgui :) | 03:22 |
| nuba | so, what do you think ? | 03:22 |
| nuba | thats about it, outline-wise. | 03:22 |
| @rizen | well in order to really be usable i think it will all have to be it's own asset | 03:23 |
| @rizen | rather than trying to integrate the map with a bunch of other assets that have no idea what you're talking about | 03:23 |
| nuba | well i think it could be reduced to two assets, 1) map thing, 2) media management thing | 03:24 |
| @rizen | as far as the multi-lingual thing that pretty much is irrelevant in a site where users are posting their own content...they're going to post in whatever their language is | 03:24 |
| @rizen | but didn't you say that they create a peg on a map and then attach text and photo gallery to it? | 03:25 |
| nuba | for 2), think this: how would you approach the flickr into webgui problem ? | 03:25 |
| @rizen | we're already doing it | 03:25 |
| @rizen | i'm 85% sure it will be released with WebGUI 7.5 | 03:26 |
| nuba | cool. wow. can I help? | 03:26 |
| @rizen | frank is in charge of that project so you'd have to ask him | 03:26 |
| @rizen | frank@plainblack. | 03:26 |
| @rizen | com | 03:26 |
| nuba | ok, i'll contact him | 03:26 |
| @rizen | preaction, do you know anything about the flickr project, or is that all frank? | 03:27 |
| nuba | and what about the google maps one ? | 03:30 |
| nuba | what did you have in mind ? | 03:30 |
| nuba | my idea would be to add content in one part of the website, then in the map they would click and add a link to that content | 03:31 |
| nuba | or draw a line | 03:31 |
| nuba | and add comment there too | 03:31 |
| @rizen | the google maps app that i have planned is slightly different | 03:31 |
| nuba | really `a la google maps for directions or whatever | 03:32 |
| @rizen | you create the asset and set a who can add group, which might be only CMs or might be your site visitors | 03:32 |
| @rizen | anyway, the asset is then committed | 03:32 |
| @rizen | and works just like google maps | 03:32 |
| @rizen | except that as a user with the right privileges, you can put a pin into the map by zooming to the right location and then placing the pin | 03:33 |
| @rizen | upon placing the pin you can enter in a title, an address, a phone number, a description, a link, and a photo | 03:34 |
| @rizen | all fields are optional except title | 03:34 |
| nuba | awesome | 03:34 |
| @rizen | once you've hit save and it's been approved, the pin stays on the map for all other users to see | 03:34 |
| nuba | i'd like to do that | 03:34 |
| @rizen | this can be used for a few things | 03:35 |
| nuba | i can see my need satisfied by a subset of your specs | 03:35 |
| @rizen | in the case of webgui.org, webgui users could tell us where they are from | 03:35 |
| nuba | k | 03:35 |
| @rizen | in the case of a manufacturer, they could use it to show off all their store locations | 03:35 |
| nuba | cool | 03:35 |
| @rizen | the same goes for a restaurant | 03:35 |
| nuba | in my case, people would add media and tell where did it came from with the map | 03:36 |
| @rizen | all their restaurants could show up on their map | 03:36 |
| @rizen | the only thing i'd like to add to it and that i haven't figured out yet | 03:36 |
| @rizen | is i'd like to be able to do a regional search | 03:36 |
| @rizen | in the US it woudl be a zip code search | 03:36 |
| @rizen | in canada it would be a postal code | 03:36 |
| @rizen | not sure what other countries would use | 03:37 |
| nuba | i have some ideas | 03:37 |
| nuba | ie. you can draw regions in the map | 03:37 |
| nuba | give it a name | 03:37 |
| @rizen | oh really? | 03:37 |
| @rizen | that's awesome | 03:37 |
| nuba | and compute if a given pin is inside it | 03:37 |
| @rizen | well anyway...the search part is the last part of my spec | 03:38 |
| nuba | i can write that | 03:38 |
| nuba | easily | 03:38 |
| nuba | actually not sure about being easy at the interface | 03:38 |
| @rizen | if you wrote it to spec, i'd even send you some money | 03:38 |
| nuba | but the algorithm to compute if its inside the area isnt going to be complicated | 03:38 |
| nuba | please send me the spec | 03:39 |
| nuba | i can send you some code samples | 03:39 |
| nuba | and we can discuss this further | 03:39 |
| @rizen | i don't have one written | 03:39 |
| @rizen | just that | 03:39 |
| @rizen | i'll have to write one | 03:39 |
| @rizen | i just don't know when i'll have the time | 03:39 |
| @rizen | time's tight these days | 03:39 |
| @rizen | if i wrote the spec this sunday | 03:40 |
| @rizen | do you think you could have it done in time for the 7.4 release? | 03:40 |
| @rizen | which is July 20 | 03:40 |
| nuba | when is 7.4 scheduled for ? | 03:40 |
| @rizen | July 20 is the cut off date for new features | 03:40 |
| @rizen | that's about a month | 03:40 |
| nuba | possibly | 03:40 |
| @rizen | like a 20% possibly or a 80% possibly? | 03:41 |
| nuba | would like to see the spec and research a few hours before commiting to anything | 03:41 |
| @rizen | you're not committing...i just need to know the likelihood so i can determine whether to write the spec now, or if it can wait a couple weeks | 03:42 |
| nuba | but i'd say like 80%+ or so | 03:42 |
| @rizen | ok, then, i guess i'm working on Sunday | 03:42 |
| nuba | oh well | 03:42 |
| @rizen | twas going to be my first day off in a few weeks, but oh well | 03:42 |
| @rizen | it will be worth it to get this into webgui | 03:42 |
| nuba | huh | 03:42 |
| nuba | well whats the schedule for 7.5 ? | 03:43 |
| @rizen | there isn't one yet | 03:49 |
| @rizen | due to our new stability policy we can't set one | 03:49 |
| @rizen | we can't declare 7.4 stable until all the bugs on the bug list have been cleared 2 weeks after it's release | 03:49 |
| @rizen | and we can't branch for 7.5 until 7.4 is stable | 03:50 |
| nuba | ok | 03:56 |
| @rizen | the reason that frank will be working on flickr for 7.5 is because a client has paid us to write it and backport it to 7.4 | 04:01 |
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| nuba | k | 04:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | PB-type people: I need some help with a bug fix. | 04:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I fixed the thumbnail related bug, where if people edited an Image, it started using the thumbnail as the file instead of the original. | 04:46 |
| +perlDreamer | But I don't know how to fix it via an upgrade script. | 04:47 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/problems-with-thumbnails#HxVNDXGa835kjugzu1zVEw | 04:47 |
| @rizen | ou can't | 04:47 |
| +perlDreamer | That's what I was afraid of | 04:48 |
| @rizen | people will just have to manually fix the ones that are broken | 04:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you want that in the gotchas, or in the bug report? | 04:48 |
| @rizen | i guess you could test every single file/image asset in the system and see if it starts with thumb- | 04:48 |
| @rizen | and then remove the thumb- | 04:48 |
| @rizen | but that could take a really long time for what is likely a very minor problem | 04:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Yeah. | 04:49 |
| @rizen | yeah, both bugs and gotchas | 04:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Will do. | 04:49 |
| +perlDreamer | We're back into the bug-side-effect bugs. | 04:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Fixing a bug introduces a new bug. | 04:49 |
| nuba | rizen: so the next step re: the google map asset is you contacting me with a spec, right ? | 04:50 |
| @rizen | yes i'll send you an email with the spec | 04:50 |
| @rizen | actually just send me an email now though so i know i have your email addy | 04:50 |
| nuba | ok, in the meanwhile i'll get myself familiar with it | 04:50 |
| nuba | jt@plainblack.com? | 04:50 |
| @rizen | y | 04:51 |
| nuba | sent | 04:55 |
| nuba | remember google maps allows you to use custom maps too, its not restricted to google's only | 04:55 |
| nuba | actually the best would be for you to check this while spec'ing | 04:56 |
| nuba | http://www.google.com/apis/maps/documentation/ | 04:56 |
| nuba | so you'll know what it can or can't do | 04:57 |
| +perlDreamer | In the new, snazzier looking bug forum, what do the symbols in the left column mean? | 04:57 |
| @rizen | read or undread | 04:57 |
| @rizen | unread | 04:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Nice | 04:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I can file a bug for this, but there's something off in the Contribute bug display. It's showing a bug that I closed, and that does not show up in the bug list anymore. | 04:58 |
| @rizen | yup file a report | 04:58 |
| +perlDreamer | That page rocks, b.t.w. | 05:00 |
| +perlDreamer | You get a 1 page summary of everything that's going no. | 05:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I love it! | 05:00 |
| @rizen | yeah, i saw it on some other site and thought to myself that we really needed something like that | 05:02 |
| +perlDreamer | bugs-- | 05:03 |
| +perlDreamer | bugs -- | 05:03 |
| +perlDreamer | karma bugs | 05:03 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: karma bugs | 05:03 |
| perlbot | Karma for bugs: -2 | 05:03 |
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| cap10morgan | Is there a way to add fields to a DataForm using the API? | 04:22 |
| @preaction | doesn't look like it | 04:23 |
| @preaction | the entire code for the dataform looks in dire need of a refactor and a whole slew of documentation | 04:23 |
| @preaction | but JT's building the Thingy to replace it, so I imagine that won't get done | 04:23 |
| cap10morgan | the Thingy, eh? | 04:25 |
| cap10morgan | that sounds exciting | 04:25 |
| cap10morgan | and, er, vague | 04:25 |
| cap10morgan | ;) | 04:25 |
| @preaction | it's basically a general-purpose database management tool | 04:27 |
| @preaction | you set up the db, you create the forms, you create the permissions, you create reports from the data, etc... | 04:27 |
| @preaction | we couldn't get a decent description | 04:27 |
| @preaction | just like the collaboration system | 04:27 |
| cap10morgan | gotcha | 04:32 |
| cap10morgan | sounds cool though | 04:32 |
| @preaction | i hope | 04:32 |
| cap10morgan | is there a decent way to get a new id computed when you have a collision? (i.e. inserting things straight into the db) | 04:32 |
| cap10morgan | i'm trying to migrate some dataform fields via a script | 04:33 |
| @preaction | use WebGUI::Session::Id | 04:33 |
| cap10morgan | oh sweet, thanks | 04:34 |
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| nuba | its so quiet here on sundays | 01:58 |
| +Radix_ | yes | 01:59 |
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| AMH_bob | Good morning! | 16:39 |
| SDuensin | Hi AMH_bob | 16:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: I need a bug consult. Got 10 minutes? | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | this is the bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/cs-branch-error | 00:25 |
| @rizen | reading | 00:25 |
| @rizen | ok, what is your question | 00:27 |
| @rizen | incidentally there are multiple bugs here | 00:28 |
| @rizen | none of those assets should allow isHidden to be anything other than Yes | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | So if Erik wants to be able to, he needs an RFE | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | That's my question then. | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Thanks, man! | 00:29 |
| @rizen | i won't allow it | 00:29 |
| @rizen | even if he makes the RFE | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll fix all three asset/container combinations for isHidden, probably by sticking it into update instead of addRev or processProperties. | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Okay, rizen. I'll pass that along. | 00:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: art thou awake this eve? | 07:36 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: the isHidden fixes are in for Post, Event and WikiPage. | 07:37 |
| +perlDreamer | bug -- | 07:37 |
| @rizen | egg salad | 07:37 |
| +perlDreamer | egg salad? | 07:38 |
| +perlDreamer | chloroquinine? | 07:38 |
| @rizen | = good | 07:38 |
| @rizen | excellent | 07:38 |
| +perlDreamer | coolio | 07:38 |
| +perlDreamer | closed a bug fixed a while ago | 07:42 |
| +perlDreamer | btw, Haarg. Nice work backporting that fix to 7.3.19. | 07:43 |
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| +Radix-wrk | sweet, got lightbox working with webgui | 11:06 |
| +Radix-wrk | http://juga.biz/home/test - test page with both an individual image and photo gallery with lightbox | 11:07 |
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| SDuensin | Hello all! | 16:08 |
| @rizen | who is all? | 16:09 |
| SDuensin | Um. Us? | 16:09 |
| SDuensin | I mean, really - who else do you need? | 16:09 |
| @rizen | well perhaps you meant a user named all that isn't here | 16:10 |
| @rizen | or perhaps you meant all creatures in the universe | 16:10 |
| SDuensin | Na. Just the smart ones. | 16:11 |
| @rizen | or perhaps you mean Al, but added an extra L | 16:11 |
| @rizen | or perhaps a.l.l. is an acronym | 16:11 |
| @rizen | or perhaps i'm just being an ass | 16:11 |
| @rizen | =) | 16:11 |
| SDuensin | Weird A.L.L. runs WebGUI? Sweet! | 16:11 |
| @rizen | if a.l.l. were an acronym i think it would mean "astute lounge lizards" | 16:12 |
| SDuensin | Leisure Suit Larry! | 16:12 |
| @rizen | or perhaps "acrobatic lilac llamas" | 16:12 |
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| AMH_bob | Good morning! I see y'all woke up in a good mood! | 16:35 |
| +Radix_ | I've been awake for hours! :) | 16:36 |
| SDuensin | I've been in a car for hours! | 16:36 |
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| rizen_ | radix, nice work | 17:02 |
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| @rizen | on the lightbox thing | 17:02 |
| SDuensin | Lightbox thing? | 17:03 |
| @rizen | http://juga.biz/home/test | 17:03 |
| @rizen | i tested it on safari 3 this morning and it worked great | 17:03 |
| SDuensin | Looks familiar. :-) http://new.duensing.com/rylee/photos/age2/new-swingset | 17:04 |
| SDuensin | I don't have the same level of fancyness displaying the images, but I also allow for grouping of images into sets that can be paged through and to display captions (which that page doesn't show). | 17:05 |
| SDuensin | Still, it looks good. I like the way it "unrolls" to the proper size. | 17:05 |
| @rizen | yeah, but it's cooler when radix does it, because his doesn't have a picture of a kid | 17:06 |
| @rizen | it has a picture of the webgui site | 17:06 |
| SDuensin | :-P | 17:06 |
| SDuensin | What's the best way to package something like that up to share with people? For my own sites, I'm using a wpkg. | 17:11 |
| @rizen | that's the best way | 17:12 |
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| SDuensin | No problems with endians and such? | 17:13 |
| @rizen | nope | 17:14 |
| @rizen | cuz webgui package uses JSON to store data | 17:14 |
| SDuensin | Nice. | 17:16 |
| SDuensin | Maybe I'll document the crazy thing then. :-) | 17:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | Is the web interface to SVN down? | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org gives me a 443 error (Forbidden) | 19:56 |
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| @preaction | not down for me | 20:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | I tweaked the proxy settings to runnel IRC and IM through, I wonder if I broke https... | 20:08 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: thanks | 20:08 |
| @preaction | the error shouldn't be 443, it should be 403 | 20:09 |
| @preaction | perlbot port 443 | 20:09 |
| perlbot | port 443: https - http protocol over TLS/SSL | 20:09 |
| @preaction | which is an interesting coincidence | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | no, you're right. I mistyped earlier. | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | 403 error on port 443 | 20:10 |
| @preaction | darn, i thought i had the makings of a mystery! | 20:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, you could solve the mystery of the incorrect Apache proxy for me :) | 20:12 |
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| @preaction | durned if i know, not an expert much over here :( | 20:15 |
| +perlDreamer | me, too | 20:18 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: I did some Event hacking last night to fix a bug with isHidden. In 7.4, I had to add the update subroutine back in. Do you happen to know why it was taken out? Would you mind giving the new code a once-over as a double check for me? | 20:19 |
| @preaction | i don't remember, i think it was because i figured that isHidden was handled in processPropertiesFromFormPost | 20:19 |
| @preaction | but i suppose that doesn't happen with an editBranch | 20:20 |
| +perlDreamer | No, editBranch calls addRev directly | 20:27 |
| +perlDreamer | But it you put it in addRev, then processPropertiesFFP will override it with info from the parent | 20:27 |
| +perlDreamer | The only way to do it is to put it in update | 20:27 |
| +perlDreamer | well, the only way I could think of | 20:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: at your discretion, would you please refile this in RFEs? http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/view-profile | 00:41 |
| @rizen | i have really shitty internet access where i am | 00:42 |
| @rizen | i can barely load web pages, please email it to me | 00:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: it's on its way | 01:06 |
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| AMH_bob | Good morning! | 16:41 |
| @rizen | howdy | 16:41 |
| SDuensin | Hey AMH_bob & rizen | 16:41 |
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| * Radix-wrk makes a backup and prepares to import another 2600 users into his webgui system. | 05:34 | |
| +Radix-wrk | currently 5379 users | 05:34 |
| SDuensin | Importing from where? | 05:37 |
| +Radix-wrk | text file | 05:38 |
| +Radix-wrk | using userImport.pl | 05:38 |
| SDuensin | Ah, ok. I face a Drupal migration in the not-too-distant future. Fearing it. :-) | 05:39 |
| @rizen | i love userImport.pl | 06:00 |
| @rizen | one of the best utilities i've ever written for webgui | 06:00 |
| +Radix-wrk | there we go 7862 users in webgui now | 07:02 |
| +Radix-wrk | rizen: yep, it rocks | 07:02 |
| @rizen | nicely done sir, but you have a way to go before you're running the site with the most users | 07:03 |
| +Radix-wrk | Oh sure | 07:03 |
| @rizen | http://www.atomiclearning.com/ = 200,000+ users | 07:03 |
| +Radix-wrk | I saw that one colink posted from royal netherlands football club or soemthing too.. 25million views a day or something | 07:05 |
| +Radix-wrk | amazing.. and just goes to prove that Webgui can do anything :) | 07:05 |
| @rizen | now let's hope that my marketing campaign takes off so that we can increase webgui from 10,000+ deployments to 100,000+ deployments | 07:06 |
| @rizen | =) | 07:06 |
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| @preaction | aww, they're using 6.8.6 | 08:10 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah, but at least they're using webgui :) | 08:16 |
| @preaction | true nuff | 08:16 |
| @preaction | i don't know if i want an iphone or if i want one of these: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 | 08:17 |
| @preaction | iphone has the 4g hard drive and the "it's an iphone", but the open moko platform is open, anyone could write anything for the device | 08:17 |
| +Radix-wrk | iPhone looks neat, but it doesn't really do anything that my current phone doesn't do (or couldn't do) | 08:18 |
| +Radix-wrk | great to see apple spurring on the competition tho | 08:18 |
| @preaction | i think it's more the overall user experience that looks nice on the iphone | 08:18 |
| @preaction | sync w/ itunes from your existing apps | 08:19 |
| +Radix-wrk | I heard that there's no copy/paste on it, which seems crazy | 08:19 |
| @preaction | the UI for the text input could be better probably | 08:19 |
| +Radix-wrk | and the itunes noose grows tighter too | 08:19 |
| @preaction | yeah, that is getting annoying | 08:19 |
| @preaction | "itunes is everything because it's the only thing people on windows use!" | 08:19 |
| @preaction | and the biggest suck is that it's not a dev platform at all | 08:21 |
| @preaction | i mean, even WM5 has an SDK that isn't too hard to get for normal Joe User | 08:21 |
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| AMH_bob | Good morning everybody (I'll do the honors while Scott isn't in) | 16:49 |
| +Radix_ | yo | 16:49 |
| @rizen | how's it going in glorious holland today | 16:50 |
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| AMH_bob | All is well! We're pushing it pretty hard :D | 17:15 |
| AMH_bob | The weather is still ok (going to get worse this week); another 5 days and I'm off to sunny Spain! | 17:17 |
| @rizen | vacation? | 17:17 |
| AMH_bob | Yeah, Torremolinos, the south side of spain. | 17:18 |
| @rizen | nice | 17:18 |
| AMH_bob | :D | 17:18 |
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| wgGuest98 | hello | 22:33 |
| wgGuest98 | Anyone here? | 22:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | hey, people! | 22:38 |
| @preaction | bonjourno! que pata! | 22:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: I love it when you IM in Italian | 22:40 |
| +perlDreamer | Is the boss around? The 7.3.19 branch release doesn't look complete, but I don't know if there's going to be a .20 release either. | 22:41 |
| @preaction | doesn't look complete? | 22:41 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI.pm still says .19 | 22:42 |
| @preaction | oh, he must not've updated that, but then again i remember him saying something about getting haaarg to help with the release | 22:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | bug -- | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: karma bug | 23:05 |
| perlbot | Karma for bug: 1 | 23:05 |
| diakopter | bug-- | 23:08 |
| diakopter | bug++ | 23:08 |
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| vayde | God I miss WebGUI! | 23:19 |
| vayde | I have never seen 'check the cgi log for more information' INSIDE the cgi log with webgui | 23:20 |
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| @preaction | that sounds... horrific | 23:21 |
| vayde | yeah, it's pretty ugly | 23:22 |
| vayde | the other day I saw an END block inside of a BEGIN block inside of a runtime conditional | 23:23 |
| vayde | though to be fair, that was something a friend asked me to debug, not produciton code | 23:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: Is there any way to do something like this, but only in SQL: update table set value=default unless $value, where the unless $value is perl-ish (true)? | 01:10 |
| @preaction | sure | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | How? | 01:51 |
| @preaction | update table set `column`="value" where `column` IS NULL || `columns` = ""; | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | oh | 01:52 |
| @preaction | er.. s/s\b//; | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll just verify what empty looks like in there, in case it's also empty string | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I updated lib/WebGUI.pm to say that it was .20, and added an upgrade script from .19 to .20 as well. | 02:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | Hola | 02:15 |
| SDuensin | Yo | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | bug -- | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | bug -- | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | bug -- | 02:24 |
| @preaction | Perl 5.10 releasing soon: http://www.slideshare.net/acme/whats-new-in-perl-510 | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | cool! | 02:24 |
| @preaction | i like the "state" feature, wonder if it'll work in mod_perl | 02:25 |
| @preaction | plus "switch" is now native (given/when block) | 02:25 |
| +perlDreamer | no more source hacking | 02:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll have to read about "state" | 02:25 |
| @preaction | there's some messed up new features in here | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you know what the USER_AGENT string is for Safari 3? | 02:26 |
| @preaction | no | 02:26 |
| SDuensin | I can hit your site with it if you want to see. | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't have a public facing site.. :( | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | Oh, we could use Sunset's site though... | 02:27 |
| SDuensin | What about browserwatch? | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | what's that, SD? | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: please go to www.sunsetpres.org with that browser. | 02:28 |
| @preaction | don't have it :( | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | s/preaction/SDuensin/ | 02:29 |
| +perlDreamer | my bad | 02:29 |
| SDuensin | Well, it USED to be a browser tracking thing. | 02:29 |
| SDuensin | OK, I've gone there. | 02:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/522.11 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0.2 Safari/522.12 | 02:30 |
| @preaction | or go to http://whatsmyuseragent.com | 02:30 |
| SDuensin | That's handy. | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | What does it say, SD? | 02:32 |
| SDuensin | same thing you posted | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, we get the say command | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | defined-or | 02:35 |
| SDuensin | ? | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a shortcut for saying | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | $a = defined($b) ? $b : $c; | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | $a = $b // $c; | 02:36 |
| +Radix_ | the first one is taken directly from C | 02:36 |
| +Radix_ | but how does the second one work? | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | perl has a ternary operator | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | but people keep writing $b || $c and wanting to do the definedness check | 02:37 |
| @preaction | i like the smart match '~~' operator | 02:37 |
| +Radix_ | Oh.. so // is a boolean check? | 02:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, on definedness | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | not truth | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | || -> for truth | 02:38 |
| +Radix_ | Ahh.. so if b is defined, set that, or set to c | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | and // for definedness | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 02:38 |
| +Radix_ | cool | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe p6 won't ever happen | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | between these changes and Moose, p5 is quite p6-y | 02:38 |
| +Radix_ | handy for possible undefined default values I guess | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, syntactic sugar for saving fingers | 02:39 |
| SDuensin | But! I want Parrot! | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Parrot is an interpreter, not Perl 6 | 02:39 |
| +Radix_ | Oh well. time to head off to work for me now :) | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Perl 6 will run on Parrot as one possible implementation | 02:39 |
| SDuensin | I know, but P6 was going to run on it. | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes, but it won't be the only P6 out there. | 02:39 |
| SDuensin | P6 confuses me. :-) | 02:41 |
| +perlDreamer | Which parts? | 02:41 |
| SDuensin | Like if it's ever going to happen. :-) | 02:42 |
| +perlDreamer | Well, of this much I'm sure. P6 may not ever exist, but P5 will look more and more like it over time. | 02:42 |
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| Khaytsus | Sometime in the last 3-4 days, all of my assets disapeared off my server.. :( | 04:22 |
| Khaytsus | Not in the trash, can't find them anywhere. | 04:23 |
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| Khaytsus | This is very odd.. I can find my assets by searching, but nowhere else. | 04:44 |
| @preaction | how about in the database? select * from asset; and pastebin an example | 04:59 |
| Khaytsus | Will do | 04:59 |
| @preaction | how about version tags? any major edit branches going on? | 05:00 |
| @preaction | biggest question: what changed? who's been messing around? | 05:00 |
| @preaction | "nothing" is not an answer to that question :p | 05:01 |
| Khaytsus | Nobody, I'm the only person, it's my small personal website. | 05:01 |
| Khaytsus | And unfortunately nothing is true; I haven't changed anything in a least a week and it was fine after. And that was just an asset change. | 05:01 |
| Khaytsus | (updating an article) | 05:01 |
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| Khaytsus | http://panacea.theblackmoor.net:8082/junk/webgui-output | 05:04 |
| Khaytsus | Not sure how I'd paste all that into pastebin :) | 05:04 |
| Khaytsus | http://webgui.theblackmoor.net:8082/home/linux/v100 | 05:05 |
| Khaytsus | Is an article | 05:05 |
| Khaytsus | But go up on, and notice no menu, etc.. | 05:05 |
| Khaytsus | erm, meant go up one level in the URL | 05:07 |
| Khaytsus | I posted a forum thread on it too.. | 05:27 |
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| wgGuest18 | man I hate pjirc. | 05:34 |
| wgGuest18 | hold on.... | 05:35 |
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| bobn | that's more lik it | 05:36 |
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| bobn | so anyo0ne around? | 05:37 |
| bobn | anyhow, nioce to see something nwritten ninn perl issteads opf all this godless php | 05:40 |
| @preaction | Khaytsus: can you alter that statement you wrote and "order by lineage" for me? | 05:42 |
| @preaction | did you try altering any of the page layout templates? | 05:44 |
| Khaytsus | preaction: I did try adding an asset to the /home but it didn't show up | 05:53 |
| @preaction | i mean, previously, did you alter the page layout templates? | 05:54 |
| @preaction | what does the error log say? | 05:54 |
| Khaytsus | Oh, no errors I can see, and no, I hadn't altered any templates. At least not for a long time. | 05:54 |
| Khaytsus | Refresh that same page, I updated the sql output. | 05:54 |
| @preaction | nothing out of the ordinary there... :( | 05:55 |
| @preaction | you sure there's nothing in the webgui error log about "cannot call method 'view' on asset '...'"? | 05:57 |
| @preaction | can you pastebin that whole thing? | 05:57 |
| @preaction | perlbot pastebin | 05:57 |
| perlbot | (see paste) | 05:57 |
| @preaction | perlbot paste | 05:57 |
| perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. | 05:57 |
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| Khaytsus | preaction: Sorry, got distracted. | 06:11 |
| Khaytsus | Would that be from the spectre debug output? | 06:11 |
| Khaytsus | Ah, hmmmmmm.. | 06:13 |
| Khaytsus | http://erxz.com/pb/3324 | 06:15 |
| Khaytsus | btw, ignore... um.. indescrete stuff. I had one forum set up wrong. | 06:15 |
| Khaytsus | Some spammers posted 4-5 porn threads in it. | 06:15 |
| Khaytsus | Still gets hit on search engines or what not | 06:15 |
| Khaytsus | But yeah, I see some weird stuff about httpproxy | 06:15 |
| Khaytsus | Searching for those, I can view the individual ones okay | 06:21 |
| Khaytsus | They view correctly, etc.. so I dint' think my proxy assets are broken. | 06:21 |
| +Radix-wrk | you sure you didn't accidentally delete /home or something like that? | 06:22 |
| +Radix-wrk | it'd be in your trash, but not viewable via asset view or any other way unless you searched for it | 06:22 |
| Khaytsus | Quite sure, nothing in the trash | 06:22 |
| +Radix-wrk | alternatively you could've cut it on the clipboard - that would do much the same thing | 06:22 |
| Khaytsus | I hadn't deleted anything in a while | 06:22 |
| +Radix-wrk | wierd | 06:23 |
| Khaytsus | It was fine 2 days ago.. I hadn't touched it at all. | 06:23 |
| +Radix-wrk | what's /home/counter? | 06:24 |
| @preaction | Khaytsus: looks like something very bad is going on with an httpproxy asset you have | 06:25 |
| @rizen | bobn: thanks for the appreciation | 06:25 |
| +Radix-wrk | wonder if that object failing is causing the whole page to die half way - and if it's on the home page or even in the style then that'd cause it | 06:25 |
| +Radix-wrk | try hiding that object or something maybe | 06:26 |
| Khaytsus | Yeah, that seems to be it.. but I have no idea what it could be | 06:26 |
| @preaction | look at the line in question, that'll tell you where the problem is | 06:26 |
| @preaction | you know perl? | 06:26 |
| Khaytsus | A bit | 06:26 |
| Khaytsus | http://webgui.theblackmoor.net:8082/home/counter---main | 06:26 |
| Khaytsus | What Id on't get is it IS showing | 06:27 |
| Khaytsus | If I pick it directly | 06:27 |
| +Radix-wrk | it's not /home/counter---main that's failing tho | 06:27 |
| +Radix-wrk | it's /home/counter according to your logs | 06:27 |
| Khaytsus | aha, k | 06:28 |
| +Radix-wrk | Oh no | 06:28 |
| +Radix-wrk | I lie | 06:28 |
| +Radix-wrk | my eyes hid the ---main bit from me ;) | 06:28 |
| @preaction | there are other ones that are failing as well | 06:28 |
| Khaytsus | Yeah | 06:29 |
| +Radix-wrk | only /home/networking/mrtg/mrtg - which also works if you view it directly | 06:29 |
| Khaytsus | yep.. That's what I don't understand. | 06:30 |
| +Radix-wrk | restarted everything? | 06:31 |
| @preaction | nothing's changed in that file since the branch, but something bad is going on. | 06:33 |
| Khaytsus | Would a rollback possibly help? I haven't tried that. | 06:33 |
| @preaction | it might help you get back to working, but it won't fix this bug | 06:34 |
| @preaction | select * from asset a join assetData ad on a.assetId = ad.assetId and ad.revisionDate = (select MAX(revisionDate) from assetData where assetData.assetId=a.assetId) join HttpProxy hp on a.assetId=hp.assetId AND hp.revisionDate=ad.revisionDate; # try running this and pastebin the output please? | 06:35 |
| Khaytsus | Rolled back the last two changes, nohelp | 06:38 |
| Khaytsus | k, will do | 06:38 |
| @preaction | Khaytsus: is "follow external" on for those httpproxies? | 06:38 |
| Khaytsus | Allow proxying of other domains? No. NOt seeing a "follow external" | 06:40 |
| @preaction | yeah, that's the one | 06:40 |
| Khaytsus | I ran that sql, output to the same file. | 06:41 |
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| Khaytsus | btw, the URL to proxy is | 06:42 |
| Khaytsus | http://theblackmoor.net/cgi-bin/allcounter.cgi?theblackmoor.net&/tipstricks.shtml | 06:42 |
| Khaytsus | for example | 06:42 |
| Khaytsus | A script I wrote, couldn't find a better counter so I decided to use it via http proxy | 06:43 |
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| @preaction | i think the issue has to do with follow external, but for some reason there's no error message on the page | 06:43 |
| @preaction | you might want to post this to the bugs list, make file attachments for the last few pages (100 lines maybe) of your webgui error log, and the results of that last query I had you run (which is info on all the httpproxy assets you have) there's something strange here | 06:47 |
| @preaction | after that, to move forward, try deleting those httpproxy assets. maybe make a backup of your database in this state so if someone on the buglist asks you can refer back to it | 06:48 |
| @preaction | how about before we do all that, we try something quick | 06:49 |
| @preaction | change line 367 in lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/HttpProxy.pm to "if ($response && $response->is_success) { | 06:49 |
| @preaction | then we'll also have to change line 400 to -- $var{content} = sprintf $i18n->get('fetch page error'), $proxiedUrl, $proxiedUrl, ($response ? $response->status_line : ""); | 06:51 |
| @preaction | save and restart the web server and see what happens | 06:51 |
| Khaytsus | hmm, 500 error when restarting, not sure what did wrong on line 400 (401 actually) | 06:55 |
| @preaction | what does the modperl error log say? | 06:56 |
| Khaytsus | It's from spectre in the webgui log | 06:56 |
| @preaction | what does your webserver doing? | 06:56 |
| @preaction | looks like nothing's changed to me | 06:57 |
| Khaytsus | ah, restarted spectre, nothing did change | 06:57 |
| @preaction | you restarted the web server too? not just spectre? | 06:58 |
| Khaytsus | Yep | 06:58 |
| @preaction | hm... looks like it's to the bug list then :( | 06:58 |
| Khaytsus | I'll stay in here... I posted to this thread too | 06:59 |
| @preaction | you may also want to remove the http proxy's one at a time (keeping track of the url of each one you remove), and find out when it starts working again | 06:59 |
| Khaytsus | http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/assets-have-disapeared | 06:59 |
| @preaction | i'd start with the ones referred to in the error log | 06:59 |
| Khaytsus | I'll try that tommorrow. | 06:59 |
| Khaytsus | Thanks for your help and suggestions so far, I'll check in tommorrow. Must sleep now | 07:01 |
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| cap10morgan | Is there a way to store an object application-wide, so all sessions use the same instance of that object? | 07:08 |
| Khaytsus | btw, I restored a database from before this happened... still broken | 07:08 |
| Khaytsus | Off to bed for me | 07:10 |
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| @preaction | cap10morgan: i believe it is possible in Perl, but i don't believe it works under mod_perl. you may want to try Storable and some sort of locking mechanism (or use locking in mysql perhaps) | 07:26 |
| cap10morgan | so there's nothing built in to WebGUI to do that? | 07:27 |
| @preaction | Wobject->setCollateral maybe? | 07:28 |
| cap10morgan | hmm... i'll check it out | 07:31 |
| cap10morgan | yeah, i don't think that will do it. it's a living, breathing Perl object w/ file handles and internal state, and all that jazz. not just data i can put in a db. hmm... | 07:38 |
| @preaction | the idea sounds bad, there has to be another way to do it | 07:40 |
| cap10morgan | it's an OpenID server library | 07:41 |
| cap10morgan | you create an instance of the server object | 07:41 |
| cap10morgan | that all requests share | 07:41 |
| cap10morgan | i could maybe create a separate for each request instead, but it seems pretty inefficient | 07:41 |
| cap10morgan | i'm writing an asset that makes WebGUI logins work as OpenIDs | 07:42 |
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| @preaction | cap10morgan: you'd want to use an operation for that i assume | 08:38 |
| @preaction | cap10morgan: it might even be prudent to put the openID stuff inside the viewProfile for the specific user | 08:39 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. shows where the money is - Endeca - a company that focuses on customised search engines for enterprise will apparently do about $100million in revenue this year. | 10:09 |
| +Radix-wrk | Nice chunk of change there. | 10:11 |
| * Radix-wrk puts some more karma on some search engine rfe's. | 10:15 | |
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| brinaz | hi all | 10:38 |
| brinaz | went to webgui wiki and got info to this channel. | 10:39 |
| brinaz | i am new user to webgui. | 10:39 |
| brinaz | wrote my first macro for testing. | 10:39 |
| +Radix-wrk | Hiyas | 10:40 |
| +Radix-wrk | Welcome to #webgui :) | 10:40 |
| brinaz | thx radix | 10:41 |
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| pjesi | good morning | 11:46 |
| +Radix-wrk | afternoon | 11:47 |
| pjesi | I am still getting complaints about IE6 caching WG pages for a long time even after updating to 7.3.18 | 11:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | bug -- | 18:56 |
| pjesi | the IE6 caching? | 18:57 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, no | 18:57 |
| +perlDreamer | It wasn't even technically a bug, but a user who didn't read the carefully written online docs for SQL based group lookups. | 18:58 |
| pjesi | ahh | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Although I do have a fix for the IE6 caching bug | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | s/IE6/FireFox/ | 18:58 |
| pjesi | I was sure that the cache bug was fixed in .18 but it is still there | 18:59 |
| pjesi | Im not aware of any problems with firefox | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I know, that's why you should replace IE6 with firefox | 18:59 |
| pjesi | I do not have the power to tell the clients what to use | 19:00 |
| pjesi | and this is only for anonymous users | 19:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | bug -- | 20:04 |
| +Radix_ | pjesi: try 7.3.19 perhaps? | 20:05 |
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| pjesi | Radix_: nothing mentioned in .19 but yes I will upgrade over the weekend | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think there were any cache fixes in .19, either | 20:22 |
| pjesi | there are at least two posts on wb.org regarding this | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | On the bug list, or the discussion board? | 20:25 |
| pjesi | board | 20:35 |
| pjesi | I recall that rizen told me that this was actually fixed in .18 | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | He did a lot of work to fix caching problems. | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Not only in the browser, but in the routers. | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I think finally he went back to the HTTP spec itself, and implemented what it suggested. | 20:36 |
| pjesi | router related? | 20:37 |
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| pjesi | I at least can not reproduce this bug here | 20:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | wgGuest21, things are usually pretty quiet in channel | 20:58 |
| +perlDreamer | so don't wait for people to start talking to ask questions | 20:58 |
| wgGuest21 | hello? I've never done this... | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | You're doing fine so far. | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you have a WebGUI related question? | 20:59 |
| wgGuest21 | ok. I think I get this. I was talking with colink about a "bug" on pseudo groups. is he around? | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | That's me | 20:59 |
| wgGuest21 | oh. Hi. I'm working at home and have a baby so If I "walk" away, that's why. =) | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | No problem. | 21:00 |
| wgGuest21 | so is everyone listening? just wondering how this works? | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | It's like being in a chat room | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Everyone can see what you type. | 21:01 |
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| wgGuest21 | oh. so no ones saying anything but us. =) | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Like I mentioned earlier, it's pretty quiet in here most times. | 21:01 |
| wgGuest21 | So, let me understand this correctly. I have to return a valid webgui UID (other than the visitor's which is '1') then it sounds like I need to store my user ids in both webgui and my external database? - I can't believe that people would port all their users over to webgui? | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | That is an issue for some people, but it's how WebGUI has always worked. | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | LDAP people have to create WebGUI accounts, but they can pull authentication info from there. | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | there is work on a SSO system for WebGUI, but it won't be out until 7.4 or so. | 21:03 |
| wgGuest21 | is there a way I can override the exception on the UID for the visitor? | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm looking at the 7.4 code, and I don't see anything that says user can't be in some externally defined group. | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Check out Group.pm, like 300 | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the isInGroup method | 21:04 |
| wgGuest21 | he he. I can't get to my webgui because I was vpnd and I had to log out to do this... I briefly looked at that. I'll take alook at it again. | 21:05 |
| wgGuest21 | I tried adding the visitor user to my pseudo groups, but webgui didn't let me. | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Visitor shouldn't need to be in the group. | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | to be a member via the SQL query. | 21:07 |
| wgGuest21 | that's what I thought too. | 21:07 |
| wgGuest21 | The other method I tried was this: I created a pseudo user in webgui for each of the pseudo SQL-based queries and modified the queries to return the one UID for that group - which worked, but it required them to login to webgui. So the question then is, how do I accomplish a single sign on without porting all my external users to webqui? | 21:07 |
| wgGuest21 | that avoided the "porting all my users to webgui" issue. but I still was forced to login to webgui. | 21:08 |
| wgGuest21 | forget the "So the question then is, how do I accomplish a single sign on without porting all my external users to webqui? " statement | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | Plain Black implemented a SSO system between PlainBlack.com and webgui.org | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | but they logged into 1 webgui site and share the credentials between the two sites. | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I think logging into the wG site may be mandatory. | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | but whether they need to create an account is different. | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Is that kind of solution okay? | 21:10 |
| wgGuest21 | hmmm I dont' know if I followed other than the user still needs to login to webgui. I'd like to avoid that. I'm still thinking if I can return the id of visitor it would be the smoothist. I'll have to take a look at the code in group.pm to see if there is somethign there that is obvious. If SQL query groups need to return a UID, than '1' should work - I would think. | 21:14 |
| wgGuest21 | I'm assuming I have to return a string since all the other UIDs are strings. | 21:14 |
| wgGuest21 | I also looked into writting my own auth module, but then all my current webgui users would have to be stored in my other database right? | 21:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | If you wrote your own auth module, any user logging into WebGUI would need to have a WebGUI account. | 21:19 |
| +perlDreamer | have a look at this macro from the contribs section | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/user_contributions/user_contributions/macros/singlesignon-macro-webgui7#yfT0CwwUAT1XkByjxwGWUg | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it does what you want. | 21:27 |
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| ckotil | who's gonna be waiting in line for an iphone? | 21:35 |
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| wgGuest55 | hello. I'm back. I vpn'd to work to look at the code, so if perlDreamer said anything I didn't get it... | 21:36 |
| wgGuest55 | Oh. I see I'm a new person, but webGuest21 is still listed. | 21:36 |
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| wgGuest55 | I triple checked my groups. My group is return '1' if I can validate with the cookies content, '0' if not. (read I'm returning strings) | 21:37 |
| +perlDreamer | have a look at this macro from the contribs section | 21:38 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/user_contributions/user_contributions/macros/singlesignon-macro-webgui7#yfT0CwwUAT1XkByjxwGWUg | 21:39 |
| wgGuest55 | This was a change from before. Now it seems that my page is ALWAYS visible. I think this is because of line 288 in User.pm: return 1 if ($gid eq '1' && $uid eq '1'); # visitors are in the visitors group | 21:39 |
| +perlDreamer | That may be due to group caching. | 21:40 |
| wgGuest55 | oh. how do I clear that? BTW, I'm not useing any macro from the contribs area...? unles you think that SSO one would be helpful? | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | It sounds like it does the very thing you want. | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | But you should check it out. | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not sure how to clear the group caching, I'd have to dig through the code. | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.4 is supposed to be out in the end of July with some kind of SSO built-in | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | You sure you can't wait until then? | 21:42 |
| ckotil | i have a CAS SSO module. | 21:43 |
| ckotil | thats what JT went with right? | 21:44 |
| ckotil | http://www.ja-sig.org/products/cas/ | 21:44 |
| ckotil | created by yale. | 21:44 |
| ckotil | the IU CAS is slightly differnet. so my cas module pry wont work anywhere else but in my university. | 21:44 |
| wgGuest55 | story short, I prefer not to wait. I looked at the macro from Issac 2006 is that the one you're looking at? | 21:48 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 21:48 |
| wgGuest55 | so If I understand this macro correctly, it changes the user on the fly? | 21:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I haven't read the macro | 21:51 |
| wgGuest55 | ckotil, I have downloaded your module, as code to look at in case I do have to write my own auth. I'm assuming that if I write my own auth module, my current webgui users have to be moved to my external database? | 21:54 |
| ckotil | yes. | 21:58 |
| ckotil | the way mine works anyway. | 21:58 |
| ckotil | the university maintains the db. | 21:59 |
| ckotil | so im doing just the opposite and have to recreate all the accounts in webgui. | 21:59 |
| ckotil | eventually i want to get all of my contacts setup in an ldap server to sync with the webgui db. but thats just not feasible at this point in time | 21:59 |
| ckotil | s/contacts/users | 21:59 |
| ckotil | it was pretty easy hacking the webgui.pm auth module to work with IU's CAS. | 22:00 |
| ckotil | soon we may be ditching the university CAS system for a SSO we control. | 22:00 |
| ckotil | we like Cosign | 22:00 |
| ckotil | would be sweet if wG chose that =] | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | What about OpenID? | 22:01 |
| ckotil | never heard of it. | 22:02 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/openid | 22:02 |
| +perlDreamer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_id | 22:02 |
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| wgGuest55 | so, if you have all your users in an external database, how do the webgui built-in groups work? do you port those to your external db as well? | 22:15 |
| ckotil | nope. all inrenal to webgui | 22:16 |
| ckotil | internal too. | 22:16 |
| ckotil | its not the most efficient thing in the world, but it works for now. until we begin integrating services into webgui. | 22:17 |
| wgGuest55 | then how do you log in as admin? can you use two auth mods at the same time? is the admin user in webgui or the external db? | 22:17 |
| ckotil | http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/06/29/bmw_iphone_integration_woz_in_line_fox_news_mic_jacking.html | 22:19 |
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| wgGuest55 | huh? | 22:24 |
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| wgGuest55 | I'm logging out again | 22:40 |
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| ckotil | heading out. | 22:49 |
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| brinaz | hi all | 23:13 |
| +perlDreamer | yo | 23:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: I'm looking at fixing the bug you posted. Did you have any specific ideas for fixing it, or am I free to dream stuff up? | 23:45 |
| @Haarg | which bug? | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | The package import error log one | 23:46 |
| SDuensin | Hey perlDreamer - I'm all kinds of excited for 7.3.19. Working on installing it now! | 23:47 |
| @Haarg | no particular ideas, no | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, thanks. I'm thinking of putting in an assetExists method so you can call the right thing and skip the message. | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin. Cool. Why are you excited? | 23:48 |
| SDuensin | Because you fixed a lot of bugs that were causing me heartaches! | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | You keep posting 'em, we'll keep fixing them :) | 23:49 |
| SDuensin | Well, if I find more, I'll post 'em. Bugs MUST DIE! | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | indeed | 23:52 |
| SDuensin | Now if only you could fix my RAM usage issues on my server. <sigh> | 23:53 |
| SDuensin | WebGUI keeps butting me against my hard limit. | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I can fix that too. | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | RAM is cheap | 23:54 |
| SDuensin | If I owned the hardware, it'd not be an issue. | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Have you unloaded unused Assets and Macros? That can help a little. | 23:55 |
| @preaction | change the apache2::sizelimit, perhaps change the number of worker threads that get called | 23:56 |
| @preaction | will change out ram usage for response time | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Is there a wiki page for this kind of stuff? Others would find it useful, too. | 23:57 |
| SDuensin | I'll look into that. Still running a backup so I can load 7.3.19. | 23:57 |
| SDuensin | Yea. Wiki it! :-D | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | SD: If this stuff works, make a cool wiki page with what you've learned on it. | 23:57 |
| @preaction | not that i know of, this is just basic server stuff | 23:57 |
| @preaction | SDuensin: more importantly, watch top and vmstat for a while and see what's going on with the memory usage | 23:57 |
| @preaction | you might be able to change the swappiness to move some processes to swap instead | 23:58 |
| @preaction | at the expense of disk I/O should you need those processes (which is very very bad) | 23:58 |
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| SDuensin | I'm hoping to get more stuff moved to WebGUI so I can turn off my other Apache. | 00:00 |
| @preaction | you have the WRE running? | 00:00 |
| SDuensin | Yes. | 00:01 |
| @preaction | why not use the mod_proxy instance to run those? | 00:01 |
| @preaction | it'd be as simple as moving the virtualhost blocks to a <file>.modproxy into /data/wre/etc | 00:01 |
| SDuensin | I'll look into that. | 00:01 |
| SDuensin | Yea. Here's an example of my problem: | 00:03 |
| SDuensin | Which mirror would you like to download from? [plainblack] | 00:03 |
| SDuensin | Downloading from mirror: Out of memory! | 00:03 |
| @preaction | how much memory / swap do you have free right now? | 00:05 |
| SDuensin | Mem: 8298332k total, 8282788k used, 15544k free, 52616k buffers | 00:05 |
| SDuensin | Swap: 6289436k total, 2236k used, 6287200k free, 4535604k cached | 00:05 |
| SDuensin | I've never had to deal with this before. I usually just pop in more RAM. | 00:05 |
| @preaction | uhm... what limit is it butting up against? you have 6 gigabytes of available swap | 00:06 |
| SDuensin | I don't know. This is a VM running under VPS. | 00:06 |
| @preaction | that's the WRE install/update script, right? | 00:06 |
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| SDuensin | Yes. | 00:07 |
| SDuensin | Here's from VPS: | 00:07 |
| SDuensin | IDCurrent UseSoft LimitHard LimitUnitsDescription | 00:07 |
| SDuensin | privvmpages513,486524,288524,2884KB pagesMemory allocation limit | 00:07 |
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| SDuensin | Anybody here have any experience with 1and1? | 00:48 |
| @preaction | yes'm | 00:50 |
| SDuensin | Good, bad, or otherwise? | 00:51 |
| @preaction | they've handled my DNS and domains for about three years now | 00:51 |
| SDuensin | Nice. | 00:51 |
| @preaction | nothing bad to say about them, good clean admin interface | 00:51 |
| @preaction | cheep | 00:51 |
| @preaction | i like their dns settings, i don't have to choose their way or my own DNS, i can do a lot of custom dns stuff | 00:51 |
| SDuensin | This RAM limit is getting on my nerves. I can get 1 GB (got 512 now) with 1and1 for the same price I pay LiquidWeb. | 00:53 |
| @preaction | why not plainblack? *cough* | 00:53 |
| SDuensin | Not everything I run is WebGUI. I need root access. | 00:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | bug -- | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: karma bug | 02:11 |
| perlbot | Karma for bug: 1 | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: karma bugs | 02:11 |
| perlbot | Karma for bugs: -2 | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | bugs -- | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | dang! | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | somebody figured out how to make SQL Form work with WebGUI's db? | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | nuts | 02:19 |
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| wgGuest79 | hello. I'm looking at the Group.pm at line 563 version 7.2.1 and it looks like this: my %users = map { $_ => 1 } @users; | 06:29 |
| wgGuest79 | Am I to understand that this rewrites the users array to only contains items greater than or equal to one? | 06:29 |
| wgGuest79 | hello? | 06:38 |
| wgGuest79 | Gotta go get some sleep. bye. | 06:50 |
| vayde | No, that's putting each element of @users as the key and 1 as the value | 06:50 |
| vayde | in the %users hash | 06:50 |
| vayde | sorry bout the delay | 06:50 |
| wgGuest79 | hi. | 06:50 |
| wgGuest79 | Trying to figure out how to logout of this... But the next line of code does this: @users = keys %users; | 06:51 |
| vayde | hey. Things get a bit quiet here on a Friday night | 06:51 |
| wgGuest79 | so I don't really understand what those two lines are doing. | 06:51 |
| vayde | seems a little redundant to be sure | 06:52 |
| vayde | this is wG 7.2.1? | 06:52 |
| wgGuest79 | yep. | 06:52 |
| vayde | hmm. I cut my teeth on 7.3, but lemme take a look | 06:53 |
| vayde | from what you posted, the second line is almost useless | 06:53 |
| vayde | unless %users already exists | 06:53 |
| vayde | the first line is putting everything from @users into %users | 06:54 |
| wgGuest79 | nope. the first line I showed declares it. | 06:54 |
| wgGuest79 | that would explain why commenting it out didn't do anything. =) | 06:54 |
| vayde | yeah | 06:54 |
| wgGuest79 | I was talking with colink eariler today. and to make a long story short, I've got a pseduo group that uses an sql query to return webgui uids. I *WANT* to return the visitors uid which is the number one. | 06:55 |
| wgGuest79 | but somewhere in the code, there seems to be an exception to doing that... I thought maybe I found it. =( | 06:55 |
| vayde | the only use I can see for that would be if there was already data in %users, and you added to it, then updated @users with the full list | 06:55 |
| vayde | hmm, well colink/perl_dreamer is one of the best guys here to ask | 06:56 |
| wgGuest79 | do you by anychance konw how to clear the user/group cache? | 06:56 |
| vayde | not off the top of my head. my wG is getting pretty rusty | 06:57 |
| vayde | can't you just flush the whole cache from the settings menu? | 06:57 |
| vayde | or maybe I'm misunderstanding | 06:57 |
| wgGuest79 | I tried that, but I dont' think that does the user/group. On that particular screen it says someting about the asset cache. So I don't think it does. I don't know how to verify it either way. | 06:58 |
| wgGuest79 | do you know how to log out of this? before, I just closed the screen, and then logged in again and saw my old user still listed. I'm using the chat software provided by wG. | 06:59 |
| vayde | sorry, no. I didn't know wG HAD chat software. | 07:00 |
| * vayde grins sheepishly | 07:00 | |
| wgGuest79 | http://www.webgui.org/webgui/chat.html - it just comes up... I'm new to this chat thing. | 07:01 |
| vayde | looking | 07:01 |
| wgGuest79 | what software do you recommend? This one is lacking in something. | 07:02 |
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| vayde | I'm using xchat from ubuntu linux | 07:03 |
| vayde | you can get here with pidgin pretty easily though | 07:03 |
| @preaction | colloquy on OSX, mIRC on windows, etc... | 07:03 |
| vayde | hit preaction with your question btw, he'll probably know | 07:03 |
| @preaction | chatzilla works nicely too | 07:03 |
| @preaction | yay for being k-lined! | 07:04 |
| wgGuest79 | hi preaction. | 07:04 |
| @preaction | more like, yay for using work computers to ssh tunnel into freenode to resolve the k-line... | 07:04 |
| @preaction | i mean | 07:04 |
| vayde | lol | 07:05 |
| wgGuest79 | I was talking with colink eariler today. and to make a long story short, I've got a pseduo group that uses an sql query to return webgui uids. I *WANT* to return the visitors uid which is the number one But somewhere in the code, there seems to be an exception against doing such thing. | 07:05 |
| wgGuest79 | Any ideas where this may be? I looked in Groups.pm, User.pm. without much luck. Specifically at the functions: getDatabaseUsers, getAllUsers and isInGroup. | 07:06 |
| @preaction | let me discover the feature you're talking about and see what's up with it | 07:06 |
| wgGuest79 | I'm using wG 7.2.1 | 07:07 |
| @preaction | what's the query? | 07:08 |
| @preaction | perlbot paste | 07:08 |
| perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. | 07:08 |
| @preaction | better, http://pastebin.ca <- use that instead | 07:08 |
| wgGuest79 | the query is a query to an external database that uses three ids stored from a cookie tolook up a user's information. The cookie's data and the query itself has been verified by runningn it in a sqlreport. | 07:08 |
| @preaction | i need the actual query | 07:09 |
| wgGuest79 | basically the query either returns 1 or 0. (one - being the visitors uid) I tried this similarly with actual webgui uids and it works great but I want th visitor's uid. | 07:10 |
| @preaction | nothing in the error log? | 07:10 |
| wgGuest79 | nope. | 07:11 |
| wgGuest79 | I have to log out to get it. I need to vpn to get the code. Is there any other code you want me to get before I do this? | 07:11 |
| @preaction | no, as long as it's all verified working (but that means i'm taking your word for it, which is probably not a good idea) | 07:11 |
| @preaction | it works with normal IDs, but not the ID "1" | 07:11 |
| wgGuest79 | correct | 07:12 |
| wgGuest79 | that's why I think there is some exception disallowing ID "1" somewhere. | 07:12 |
| wgGuest79 | one qustion I have is whether to return '1' or 1 (number or string) I think I should be returning a string being that all the other uids are strings. - I'm currently returning the string '1' | 07:13 |
| @preaction | it shouldn't matter, but the string would probably be best, i remember having some problems with mysql and numbers v. strings | 07:13 |
| @preaction | mysql will interpret 3 = "3sdfaweraowefawlefjaewf" as true | 07:13 |
| wgGuest79 | single quotes right? | 07:14 |
| @preaction | yeah | 07:14 |
| @preaction | nothing in the operation adds anything to the dbquery that restricts to a single user | 07:14 |
| @preaction | you might want to grab the group's definition from the database too | 07:14 |
| @preaction | select * from groups where groupId = <whatever> | 07:14 |
| vayde | wgGuest79, ping me sometime and I can talk you around the vpn issue | 07:15 |
| vayde | I'm vpn'ed into the bank at the moment, and still chatting on freenode | 07:15 |
| wgGuest79 | oh... that's my networking guy at work. I think he disabled it. Too many people abusing chat and stuff. | 07:16 |
| @preaction | yay for BOFH | 07:16 |
| @preaction | some days i want to learn MIS / Networking just so I can BOFH | 07:16 |
| vayde | everything is locked down at my work. like I said, there are ways around it | 07:16 |
| @preaction | vpn another compy into it and ssh into that compy perhaps? | 07:17 |
| @preaction | two nic cards required? | 07:17 |
| @preaction | i've never had to vpn | 07:17 |
| vayde | parprouted on the wireless, and a virtual machine | 07:17 |
| vayde | bank won't allow wireless, bridged connections, or non-xp on vpn | 07:18 |
| @preaction | the VM can have as many nic cards as it wants, nice | 07:18 |
| vayde | so of course I'm running ubuntu, wireless, and a bridged connection | 07:18 |
| * vayde grins evilly | 07:18 | |
| wgGuest79 | I vpn to work to get into my webgui install. The webgui isn't live yet, so it isn't public, nor is the server. I'll be back... I haven't figured out how to logout of this thing, so I'll be the next wgGuest person | 07:18 |
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| vayde | he can't log out of the chat client apparently | 07:19 |
| @preaction | it's 11:00p and i'm still working on this javascript app... i got to learn how to build trees using both perl and javascript | 07:19 |
| vayde | fun fun fun | 07:19 |
| @preaction | and how to create the right instructions to rebuild the tree in a stupid language like HTML::Template | 07:19 |
| vayde | hows things in general? | 07:19 |
| @preaction | i appreciate the Navigation wobject so much right now | 07:19 |
| vayde | you don't like HTML::Template? | 07:19 |
| @preaction | i love it, it's just stupid | 07:19 |
| @preaction | it's not smart | 07:19 |
| vayde | ahh, stupid, not stupid | 07:20 |
| @preaction | with TT i could probably do some recursive jazz | 07:20 |
| @preaction | as it is i need to make the instructions on how to build a tree into an array, not just give it a tree | 07:20 |
| @preaction | using such nastiness as indentLoop => [ {}, {}, {}, ]; | 07:20 |
| vayde | I wish I could change places with you for a couple of days. One look at the crap I'm working with and you'd never complain again | 07:20 |
| @preaction | lol | 07:20 |
| @preaction | it's the vpn i don't understand, how is that more secure than an ssh tunnel? | 07:21 |
| vayde | this sh* is a great object lesson in the difference between CAN and SHOULD | 07:21 |
| vayde | I don't know that it is | 07:21 |
| @preaction | oh god, that's always fun | 07:21 |
| vayde | I think somebody thinks it is | 07:21 |
| @preaction | getting people to back down from things they think they need but will just sit unused... | 07:22 |
| vayde | plus with the vpn on windows at least they can shut down all your ports | 07:22 |
| vayde | so you can only go through the vpn tunnel | 07:22 |
| vayde | I don't knwo how that works with a real OS | 07:22 |
| @preaction | with proper user accounting it's simple: if someone breaks the rules, you fire them. | 07:22 |
| vayde | It's stupid though. If they can't trust me doing things on their network, they can't trust me. Doesn't matter how I get there | 07:23 |
| @preaction | that too | 07:23 |
| vayde | all it does is slow me down | 07:23 |
| @preaction | it's like they're treating you as a child | 07:23 |
| vayde | I swear there are specs somewhere saying that all software used by the bank must: | 07:23 |
| vayde | a) suck | 07:24 |
| vayde | b) be unreliable | 07:24 |
| vayde | c)be bloated | 07:24 |
| vayde | d) cost way too much $$$ | 07:24 |
| @preaction | oh, aren't you eventually porting that Perl to Java? and they wanted to get rid of the bloat/unreliability/suck? | 07:24 |
| vayde | no, I don't think they want to get rid of it | 07:25 |
| vayde | I think they're happy with it | 07:25 |
| @preaction | they hired some real idiots to design this software i imagine, which might be the reason for their current security policy | 07:25 |
| vayde | wouldn't want one piece of software to stand out would you? | 07:25 |
| vayde | It's an interesting education | 07:25 |
| @preaction | some people don't realize what early design decisions can do to a software project :( | 07:25 |
| vayde | I don't know how long I'll put up with it, but I'm glad of the experience | 07:25 |
| vayde | yeah | 07:26 |
| vayde | some of the things they tried to do made some kind of sense, but they didnt stick iwth their 'standards' | 07:26 |
| @preaction | probably didn't enter their heads, but it rarely does | 07:26 |
| vayde | and there's a cherished love of complexity | 07:26 |
| @preaction | (to publish a coding standard) | 07:26 |
| vayde | yeah | 07:26 |
| vayde | plus some of the folks watched 'Office Space' and thought it was a documentary | 07:27 |
| vayde | or a training film | 07:27 |
| @preaction | depends on the type of complexity, i've been reading the Unix Hater's Guide, and there's some wonderful bits about the philosophy of "simple over functional" | 07:27 |
| @preaction | lol | 07:27 |
| @preaction | "Is this good for the company?" | 07:27 |
| vayde | well, by the code they write, they never heard of laziness, impatience, or hubris | 07:28 |
| @preaction | the virtues! how i pine for thee! | 07:29 |
| @preaction | perlbot virtues | 07:29 |
| perlbot | Laziness, Impatience, Hubris, Diligence, Patience and Humility | 07:29 |
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| vayde | hey, I picked up an xps m1210, I see what you mean about your philosophy of laptops | 07:30 |
| wgGuest97 | hi. I'm back. where do you want this stuff? | 07:30 |
| @preaction | http://pastebin.ca | 07:30 |
| @preaction | vayde: refresh me? | 07:31 |
| @preaction | lappy doesn't run servers? | 07:31 |
| @preaction | was that ubuntu pre-loaded even? | 07:31 |
| * preaction says a lot of wise things and remembers almost none of them | 07:31 | |
| vayde | I had that monster Inspiron 9300 | 07:31 |
| vayde | you said something about preferring light and small, and leaving the power for a desktop | 07:32 |
| @preaction | ahh | 07:32 |
| @preaction | it is tiny too | 07:32 |
| vayde | I dunno, I became a believer once I had to lug the monster around | 07:32 |
| @preaction | but it doesn't have ubuntu pre-loaded :( | 07:32 |
| vayde | naw | 07:32 |
| @preaction | that lappy + ubuntu fiesty + beryl = rival to windows vista at half the processing expense | 07:33 |
| vayde | and I'm a little disappointed in the graphics card too | 07:33 |
| wgGuest97 | I put a 15 minute experiation on it. not exactly something I want public. | 07:33 |
| wgGuest97 | I up loaded the sql. You want the details of the group too? | 07:33 |
| @preaction | wgGuest97: if there's something in it that's not secure, then the security policy of the site might need to be rethought | 07:33 |
| @preaction | yes please | 07:33 |
| vayde | It's awesome, except for the turbo cache crap. I should have paid closer attention | 07:34 |
| @preaction | turbo cache? | 07:34 |
| vayde | probably would have bought it anyway though | 07:34 |
| vayde | I thought I was buying a 256 meg Nvidia 7800 | 07:34 |
| vayde | 633FSB | 07:34 |
| vayde | it's only got 64 megs onthe card | 07:34 |
| vayde | pulls the rest from system | 07:35 |
| @preaction | god i hate that | 07:35 |
| vayde | it just wasn't labeled clearly | 07:35 |
| @preaction | might've been better off with the I950 | 07:35 |
| vayde | Oh, but the FSB is so fast you'll never notice! | 07:35 |
| vayde | oh well, to be honest, I wasn't gonna do much gaming on a 12 inch screen anyway | 07:35 |
| @preaction | well, no | 07:36 |
| @preaction | how thin is it? almost looks more portable than the mbp | 07:36 |
| vayde | It runs Beryl fine, some of the fancier stuff lags a little | 07:36 |
| vayde | inch, inch and a half | 07:36 |
| vayde | somewhere in there | 07:36 |
| vayde | just under 4 lbs | 07:36 |
| vayde | it's a dell, and therefore a brick | 07:36 |
| vayde | I bought a vaio SZ, but returned it | 07:37 |
| vayde | that was tiny and light, but I didn't like it | 07:37 |
| vayde | fingerprint scanner between the mouse buttons made linux hell | 07:37 |
| wgGuest97 | groups detail is up now. I hope that was all you needed? | 07:37 |
| @preaction | i need links to these things? | 07:37 |
| @preaction | wgGuest97: links to the pastebins? | 07:38 |
| vayde | Oh well, I'm outta here. Good talking to you Doug. ttyl | 07:38 |
| @preaction | cya, good luck | 07:38 |
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| wgGuest97 | http://pastebin.ca/596731 - is the groups details. | 07:39 |
| wgGuest97 | http://pastebin.ca/596727 - is the sql statement (which is also shown in the groups details) | 07:39 |
| wgGuest97 | they are listed under the user: wg97 | 07:40 |
| @preaction | did you try ELSE NULL? | 07:41 |
| wgGuest97 | nope. I can try that... but I'll have to log out again. | 07:43 |
| @preaction | so we'll get a bunch of things to try then | 07:43 |
| wgGuest97 | I alos just posted isInGroup. I think there is something there that may be preventin gme from returning visitors uid. but I'm not seing it... | 07:44 |
| @preaction | did you clear the cache after you edited the query that returned '1' or '0'? | 07:45 |
| @preaction | user/group relationships get cached | 07:45 |
| @preaction | that'd be the first thing to check | 07:45 |
| @preaction | there's nothing in there that prevents a visitor from belonging to other groups | 07:45 |
| @preaction | there's something in there that says visitors are in the visitors group, sure | 07:45 |
| @preaction | or that not-visitors are in the registered users group | 07:46 |
| wgGuest97 | I tried clearing the cache, but I didn't know whether that cleared just content, or users and groups as well. | 07:46 |
| @preaction | those three lines are to improve performance, if they weren't there, everything would go on as normal | 07:46 |
| @preaction | clear the cache the fun way: rm -rf /tmp/WebGUICache | 07:46 |
| wgGuest97 | I can't add the visitor user to any group. WebGUI's GUI prevents that. | 07:46 |
| wgGuest97 | I alos posted http://pastebin.ca/596739 getAllUsers. Lines 29 and 30 looke suspicious, but the other chat guy said they didn' do anything. | 07:47 |
| @preaction | right, the GUI in Operation/User.pm prevents that | 07:47 |
| @preaction | they aren't suspicious, they're removing duplicates | 07:48 |
| wgGuest97 | oh. | 07:49 |
| @preaction | you can only have one key in a hash with the same name (in this case, user Ids) | 07:49 |
| wgGuest97 | hmm. so I'm at a loss. I'm anxious to try these two things. is there anythign else you can think of that I can try? | 07:53 |
| @preaction | not really, unless you want to try using integer instead of string | 07:54 |
| @preaction | remember to clear cache after changing that query | 07:54 |
| wgGuest97 | Do you think I need to add visitor to my group? Accordign to the documentation (hover help) I shouldn't have to. | 07:54 |
| wgGuest97 | never mind. I can't... | 07:55 |
| @preaction | you shouldn't have to | 07:55 |
| wgGuest97 | ok. I'll try these. bye | 07:55 |
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| wgGuest90 | well. | 08:02 |
| wgGuest90 | I guess im 90 now. | 08:02 |
| wgGuest90 | returning a string AND using ELSE NULL, the page is ALWAYS visible no matter if the three macros return valid data or not. | 08:03 |
| wgGuest90 | If I return a number 1 the page is hidden. no matter whether the three macros return valid data or not. | 08:03 |
| wgGuest90 | I should explain that this is a SSO system. The personid, divisionid, companyid return ids stored from a cookie set from another site. The data in that cookie isused on the other site, so I know that the data is correct. | 08:04 |
| wgGuest90 | hope that makes sense. | 08:05 |
| wgGuest90 | so inother words whether I'm loggedin or not with the correct creditials. The first page always displays, and the second page always displays the login screen. (i'm dealing with two different groups - similar queries) | 08:06 |
| @preaction | i don't know then man. you might have to do a custom auth module to accomplish this :( | 08:07 |
| @preaction | (overload the isInGroup method to accomodate your users most likely, but there are other complications) | 08:08 |
| @preaction | there's a thread on the dev list about installing your own modules to replace the WebGUI default ones, but still keep the webgui default ones | 08:08 |
| @preaction | then you could override anything you wanted | 08:08 |
| wgGuest90 | do you think somewhere there is the logic that a visitor is ALWAYS associated with the VISITOR's group? | 08:10 |
| @preaction | no | 08:10 |
| @preaction | well yes | 08:11 |
| @preaction | but not only the visitors group | 08:11 |
| wgGuest90 | is there more to that last thought? | 08:13 |
| @preaction | no | 08:14 |
| @preaction | visitors are automatically part of the visitors group, but i imagine can be part of other groups too | 08:14 |
| @preaction | the GUI may prevent things, but the API does not | 08:14 |
| @preaction | API prevents only things that will cause fatal errors | 08:15 |
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| wgGuest90 | well. now that I know how to clear the cache, I'll try more things tomorrow. I would think that i should be able to return 1 as a uid - because it IS a valid uid.... Thanks very much for your help! | 08:17 |
| wgGuest90 | hmmm. are you still there? | 08:21 |
| wgGuest90 | oh never mind. buy | 08:24 |
| wgGuest90 | bye. that is. | 08:24 |
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| @preaction | lol you know you've done too much perl when you get this error in javascript (and laugh) | 09:16 |
| @preaction | "undef is not defined" | 09:16 |
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| wgGuest03 | hi | 15:37 |
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