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| +Radix_ | Anyone about? | 04:52 |
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| +Radix_ | dw | 04:53 |
| +Radix_ | 2007/07/01 09:57:39 - WARN - mycompany.com.conf - main::[[undef]] - Couldn't call method edit on asset for url: style/read/templates/read-navigation-template Root cause: Can't locate object method "new" via package "HTMLTemplate" (perhaps you forgot to load "HTMLTemplate"?) at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm line 252. | 05:00 |
| +Radix_ | happens whenever I try and edit a navigation template I'd created.. yet if I keep clicking on edit then it eventually works and opens it fine | 05:01 |
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| tichy | whenn uploading a webui packages, but permissions seem to be right | 12:55 |
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| +MrHairgrease | rizen | 20:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | are you there? | 20:44 |
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| @rizen | now i am | 21:14 |
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| @rizen | for a few seconds | 21:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 21:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | the recent addons thingy seems to show only first revison of posts | 21:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://www.plainblack.com/wg/contribute | 21:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | untitled should be GoogleMaps Macro | 21:20 |
| @rizen | post a bug report | 21:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 21:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | will do | 21:25 |
| @rizen | oh and go get a hair cut, you hippie | 21:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | just got one last week | 21:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | You know it's bad when you don't pay attention to the bugs reported by your own tests... | 00:53 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning. | 16:01 |
| ckotil | hello | 16:11 |
| ckotil | got an iPhone | 16:11 |
| ckotil | its great. | 16:11 |
| ckotil | had to fight with att all day saturday to 'port' my old cell number. | 16:12 |
| ckotil | i didnt know it was called porting until the 4th call, back and forth between carriers. | 16:12 |
| * SDuensin iGroans. | 16:18 | |
| SDuensin | I'll wait until it's got a decent data network. | 16:19 |
| ckotil | yah | 16:19 |
| ckotil | web pages take about a minute to load, as do youtube videos | 16:19 |
| ckotil | its excellent on wifi tho | 16:19 |
| ckotil | i love being able to catch up on news while im on the toilet | 16:20 |
| SDuensin | heheheh | 16:20 |
| +Radix_ | lol | 17:11 |
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| +Radix_ | http://www.tuaw.com/2007/07/01/prepaid-iphone-in-a-nutshell/ | 17:13 |
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| pjesi | I dont get the fuzz | 18:03 |
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| @preaction | http://www.ohloh.net/projects/103 <- interesting website about OSS | 01:07 |
| @preaction | says that webgui would take about 10 million USD to build from scratch | 01:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: I need a consult for a deprecation notice. | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | We're not allowed to add new session variables, but the current ones are okay? | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | That's from Asset::Template::Parser, line 37 or so | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | But in the docs themselves it says bluntly that session vars are deprecated, wholesale. | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | Which is it? | 02:37 |
| @preaction | current ones are okay i think, new ones are a bad idea | 02:42 |
| @preaction | i imagine they should be added somewhere else | 02:42 |
| @preaction | or macros | 02:42 |
| +perlDreamer | That's what I was thinking, too. | 02:42 |
| @preaction | is there something that requires them? | 02:42 |
| @rizen | current ones are ok now, but will eventually be eliminated | 02:42 |
| +perlDreamer | So they should be marked and doc'ed as deprecated. | 02:43 |
| @rizen | yes | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | In that case, I'll rework the example in Style Template without them. | 02:43 |
| @rizen | they will eventually be replaced with something else | 02:43 |
| @rizen | like a macro or something | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 02:44 |
| SDuensin | Hi rizen, perlDreamer, preaction. | 02:44 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, rizen (and you too preaction) | 02:44 |
| +perlDreamer | It's good to know y'all are on the same wavelength. | 02:44 |
| @preaction | that's what JT's magic hammer is for | 02:45 |
| * preaction nurses a few bruises | 02:45 | |
| +perlDreamer | You should be glad he used the blunt end :) | 02:46 |
| +perlDreamer | Hey, SD. | 02:46 |
| SDuensin | My brain hurts. | 02:49 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin: are you using an iPhone? | 02:53 |
| SDuensin | Frack no. | 02:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Then what's the cause of your cerebral distress? | 02:53 |
| SDuensin | I'm trying to learn cross-platform real-time 3D rendering. | 02:54 |
| @preaction | OpenGL? SDL? | 02:54 |
| SDuensin | Depends on the platform. :-) | 02:54 |
| SDuensin | Ogre3D is the graphics thingie. Lots of other code involved, too. | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, preaction: what do y'all think of this: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/view-profile | 02:56 |
| +perlDreamer | bug or RFE? | 02:56 |
| @preaction | sounds like a site style issue to me | 02:56 |
| @preaction | oh, it's logged against plainblack.com | 02:56 |
| +perlDreamer | It's small enough that I was thinking we should just stick do it. | 02:56 |
| @rizen | i'll send steve an email | 02:57 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: it is style based, but I think a lot of the navs and styles suffer from it. | 02:57 |
| @rizen | steve's bug to fix | 02:57 |
| +perlDreamer | okay. | 02:57 |
| SDuensin | Hey rizen - does PB do any charity stuff? | 02:58 |
| @rizen | rarely | 02:58 |
| @rizen | what is it for? | 02:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you mean like giving away their software for free? :) | 02:59 |
| SDuensin | Ok. Just curious. I donated server space and WebGUI hosting to a new foundation for a guy who died in a triathlon. They have no idea how to manage it. Wondered if you'd be interested in kicking them a couple Primers or something. | 02:59 |
| * SDuensin is doing his best to teach them. | 02:59 | |
| @rizen | some guy died? | 03:03 |
| @rizen | that doesn't seem like much of a charity | 03:03 |
| SDuensin | Yes. And to be honest, I don't know where they're sending the money they raise. If I had to guess, it'd be to LiveStrong, but that's just a guess. | 03:05 |
| SDuensin | It's been a rough week. Dude was a coworker of mine. | 03:05 |
| SDuensin | http://www.kevinmhuntfoundation.org | 03:06 |
| SDuensin | Horribly ugly site. Done in 2 days by my poor boss who is trying to learn WebGUI as she goes. | 03:06 |
| SDuensin | Hehe - looks like she just figured out two column layouts. :-) | 03:07 |
| @rizen | i'll have to say i pass. i'm sure he was a great guy and all, but 14,4000 people die on the planet every day. i can't set that sort of precident | 03:07 |
| SDuensin | That's fine dude. Never hurts to ask, so I figured I would. :-) | 03:07 |
| SDuensin | I really hope she changes that "logo". It screams of Windows Paint. | 03:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: I found knowmad's template editing bug. | 03:20 |
| +perlDreamer | The Help has an autogenerated list of template parsers, based on the config file. | 03:20 |
| +perlDreamer | It stomps on the config file entry, because it's a reference. | 03:21 |
| @preaction | you're joking | 03:21 |
| +perlDreamer | No | 03:21 |
| @preaction | god damn it | 03:21 |
| @preaction | nice | 03:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I know, I suck | 03:21 |
| +perlDreamer | It's probably not the only one, either. I'll check the other autogenerated docs as well. | 03:22 |
| +perlDreamer | Macros are okay | 03:27 |
| +perlDreamer | Assets are okay | 03:28 |
| +perlDreamer | Workflow Activities are okay | 03:29 |
| +perlDreamer | It's just the template parsers. | 03:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I didn't make a copy, just dereferenced. | 03:29 |
| +perlDreamer | and then altered $_ inside the loop of a map, which changes the parent, which is what config points to | 03:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | when is 7.3.20 scheduled for release? | 04:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm almost ready to commit a fix | 04:06 |
| +perlDreamer | It looks like it could cause the bug, but I don't see a way for the config variables in one session variable to be leaking into the session var for the next request. | 04:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: there's no code to prevent you from using the WebGUI database link that I can find. | 06:19 |
| @preaction | it's supposed to | 06:19 |
| @preaction | i thought there was, to prevent exactly what that caused that bug | 06:19 |
| +perlDreamer | there's code to remove it from the select list, but that's it | 06:20 |
| +perlDreamer | if you update the db manually, or hack the form it would work fine. | 06:20 |
| @preaction | we might have to ask martin about it | 06:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll try to catch him tomorrow. | 06:20 |
| +perlDreamer | btw, do you know when 7.3.20 is due to be released? | 06:21 |
| @preaction | probably wednesday | 06:22 |
| +perlDreamer | the 4th? | 06:23 |
| @preaction | oh | 06:23 |
| @preaction | uhm... durno then | 06:23 |
| +perlDreamer | You have any plans for the 4th? | 06:24 |
| +perlDreamer | Family, gf, bbq, blow things up? | 06:24 |
| @preaction | nope, i imagine i'll be working | 06:24 |
| +perlDreamer | later | 06:37 |
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| vayde | rizen, you going to be around Sunday night? I'll be in town. Wanna grab a brew? | 07:25 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning! | 15:41 |
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| Leon | hi | 15:56 |
| Leon | any one can help me out ? | 15:56 |
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| +Radix_ | not in 6 minutes, no | 16:05 |
| * SDuensin chuckles | 16:05 | |
| ckotil | heh | 16:07 |
| ckotil | i think i got an iPaperWeight | 16:07 |
| ckotil | battery seems like its bad. | 16:07 |
| ckotil | its not going a full day, with minimal use. | 16:07 |
| SDuensin | Dead battery? That'll be $85 please. | 16:08 |
| ckotil | yarly. | 16:08 |
| SDuensin | You using the WiFi or just letting it sit? | 16:08 |
| ckotil | i turned off wifi and email check., | 16:09 |
| +Radix_ | replacement battery from apple = return the device and they'll solder a new one on for you for $$$ | 16:09 |
| ckotil | man..id be so pissed off if they charge me. | 16:09 |
| ckotil | as if i hadnt paid enough already | 16:09 |
| SDuensin | Yea. Apple announced the battery is $85.95. | 16:09 |
| ckotil | and we learned yesteray about how much this thing costs apple. | 16:09 |
| ckotil | its under $300. | 16:09 |
| SDuensin | I'd think you're well within whatever sad warranty they offer. | 16:09 |
| ckotil | omfg. | 16:10 |
| ckotil | id thihnk since i just got it, they'd give me a nwe phone. | 16:10 |
| ckotil | ya. | 16:11 |
| +Radix_ | if they still have stock to give you one | 16:16 |
| * SDuensin has a RAZR. It sucks, but it plays DOOM! | 16:21 | |
| +Radix_ | I have an o2 atom which rocks. | 16:21 |
| nuba | o2 atoms dont rock, they oxidise | 16:24 |
| nuba | and actually its not o2 atoms, o2 its the entire molecule | 16:26 |
| +Radix_ | Umm.. yeah | 16:29 |
| nuba | in fact its all wrong. you write O2, no chemical element is written with the first letter in smallcaps | 16:36 |
| nuba | let me see, did I left anything out of the nitpicking ? | 16:37 |
| nuba | :) | 16:37 |
| +Radix_ | http://www.seeo2.com/product/XdaAtom/template/XdaAtomProductInfo.vm | 16:37 |
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| xdanger | hmm.. Is it possible to edit a CS submission before Approving it? | 17:09 |
| xdanger | We have a user updated list, and sometimes they have badly formated text or something like that... But we have to approve it first so that content managers can edit it... | 17:10 |
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| @rizen | radix, are you here? | 19:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | (Time appropriate greeting), folks | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: can you give me a pointer to the DBI grant code that you mentioned a while ago? | 20:48 |
| * perlDreamer hates log file gaps | 20:55 | |
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| +perlDreamer | Things are hopping in the channel today | 00:46 |
| +perlDreamer | Must be because of the holiday | 00:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | Hola, SDuensin | 01:26 |
| SDuensin | Yo | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | What's up nt he java desktop world? | 01:30 |
| SDuensin | WonderGrid is almost ready to ship! It's an awesome database editor. | 01:52 |
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| cap10morgan | so, http proxy assets rewrite form fields so they have HttpProxy_ as a prefix | 02:14 |
| cap10morgan | do you basically just have to modify the script that they post to to handle the new names? | 02:14 |
| cap10morgan | or can you turn that rewriting off? | 02:14 |
| +perlDreamer | No idea. | 02:15 |
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| +Radix-wrk | ckotil: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/03/iphone_hacking_progress/ | 03:59 |
| @preaction | and again i must point out that they are talking about CRACKERS not hackers... | 04:32 |
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| * vayde waves to perlDreamer | 07:11 | |
| +perlDreamer | yo, vayde! | 07:12 |
| +perlDreamer | The daughter of a friend of mine is taking martial arts. | 07:13 |
| +perlDreamer | "uwe..." something | 07:13 |
| vayde | Cool. What style? | 07:13 |
| +perlDreamer | Means the formless way? | 07:13 |
| +perlDreamer | Shapeless way? | 07:13 |
| +perlDreamer | Basically, she's going to be a tough street chik | 07:13 |
| vayde | Ude perhaps | 07:14 |
| vayde | good | 07:14 |
| vayde | ladies need to be touch | 07:14 |
| vayde | er tough | 07:14 |
| +perlDreamer | they need both, but only on their terms :) | 07:14 |
| vayde | lol | 07:15 |
| vayde | sadly I've not met an adult woman who hasn't felt she was tossed around or at some guy's mercy at some time in their life | 07:16 |
| vayde | It's nothing sinister. Men are, on average, larger. You judge the world by yourself. Force you think is appropriate is too much for a smaller person. | 07:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Looking at the bug list, you would never guess that we had it down to 6 bugs | 07:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to crash out. Catch you later, vayde | 07:24 |
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| nuba | anyone ever got this error when trying to start httpd.modperl ? Fatal error 'Spinlock called when not threaded.' at line 83 in file /usr/src/lib/libpthread/thread/thr_spinlock.c (errno = 2) | 10:00 |
| nuba | this is in a freebsd 5.3-RELEASE running the latest wre | 10:01 |
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| nuba | morning folks, if anyone has any idea on this 'Spinlock called when not threaded.' error, please let me know | 15:53 |
| nuba | i've found about freebsd's /etc/libmap.conf, but it seems it isnt changing anything :/ | 15:54 |
| +Radix_ | Sorry nuba - never encountered it before | 16:01 |
| +Radix_ | I've also never used freebsd tho | 16:02 |
| nuba | ok, thx anyway | 16:08 |
| @rizen | nuba, contact len@ilance.nl | 16:43 |
| @rizen | that's Len Kranendonk, i think you met him at the WUC | 16:43 |
| @rizen | he uses FreeBSD in webgui hosting | 16:43 |
| @rizen | he may have an answer for you | 16:43 |
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| nuba | back | 22:16 |
| nuba | cool, thx rizen, yeah i remember len | 22:17 |
| nuba | very cool guy | 22:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | MrHairGrease! | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Just the guy that I need to talk to. | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease...? | 23:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | perldreamer | 23:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | talk! | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I have some SQLForm questions for you. | 23:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 23:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) Where is the code that prevents you from using the WebGUI database. | 23:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | shoot | 23:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | there is no such code | 23:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | the sqlform only drops the default db link from the list | 23:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | so you can use the wg db by creating an extra db link | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | Somebody nuked their site using the SQLForm | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/webgui-stops-working#wl1NfdrT4VgFU_KC1eg3cQ | 23:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | and they did that by using the default dblink | 23:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | id=0 | 23:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | ? | 23:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 23:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | i read the report | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Did you read the other bug report about the SQLForm permissions? | 23:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | prolly | 23:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | mostly i skim through the bug reports | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | they specified a wildcard in the grant for the database name | 23:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | why do permissions need to be checked? | 23:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | i didn't even know that you could do that | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | me either | 23:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | b/c if you don't have the right perms | 23:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | wg will fatal error | 23:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | and leave half an asset dangling in the tree | 23:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | and all that crap | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | ew. So you think that the SQLForm should handle the wildcard search? | 23:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | i guess so | 23:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | well | 23:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | actually i think mysql should ditch those wildcards in db names | 23:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 23:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | or even better | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I think the DBI should provide a way to tell if a user has certain permissions in the database. | 23:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | create a generic meachnism to query perms | 23:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | and return those in one way | 23:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah that too | 23:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it doesn't | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 23:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | I actually spent a lot of time on figuring out a better way to do it | 23:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I failed | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | It's really pretty robust, but it has some edge cases. | 23:58 |
| * MrHairgrease retract into a corner and cries | 23:58 | |
| +MrHairgrease | did you see my googlemaps macro btw? | 23:58 |
| * perlDreamer pats MrHairgrease on the head and hands him a scotch on the rocks. | 23:58 | |
| +perlDreamer | Yes. | 23:58 |
| @preaction | i personally think we need to get rid of RaiseError in the DBI connections and handle all the errors ourselves (that way it would be possible to recover from things like that) | 23:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Very nice. I even voted for it. | 23:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | wow | 23:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | recognition =) | 23:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 23:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | fatals on sql queries are a pain in the ass | 23:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | otoh we now know when the db's getting messed up =) | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I've been having this idea for a website, and I need exactly that kind of functionality, but wrapped in an Asset. | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | The db will mess itself up, without our help. | 23:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | db corruption sucks | 00:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 00:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that' partly due to the lack of referential integrity in the wg schema | 00:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | i don't think there are any foreign keys in the db | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | no foreign keys | 00:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | so we have to rely on our leet haxor skills | 00:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | to keep it together | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to learn SQL, because I don't know what a foreign key is. | 00:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | and i think we are doing a good job at that | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | It could be easier? | 00:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | i hear ya brother | 00:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm in the same league | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | Okay, so it sounds like the SQLForm will happily let you shoot yourself in the foot. No fix | 00:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | But we should handle wildcard database names. | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I can write tests for that. | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll mock the DBI, and force it to send back data that I can shove into the _dbPermissions sub from SQLForm. | 00:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's just almost impossible to detect the actual db's that are in a link | 00:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok that'll be cool | 00:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm really very busy with my graduation thingy | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Is it related to your LED paper? | 00:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I'll be on my way to France by next monday | 00:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 00:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | tunneljunctions | 00:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll show you some stuff at the wuc | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Cool! | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Maybe I should bring some 1-wire parts, with the SHA-1 inside. | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | wait, tunnel junctions. | 00:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | cool | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Are you doing EEPROM/Flash stuff? | 00:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | i won't be bringing parts though | 00:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | just images | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 00:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | you mean for my graduation? | 00:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | relating to the flash stuff | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 00:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's more physics than electronics | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | ok | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | _databaseLinkHasPrivileges really belongs in DatabaseLink.pm, don't you think? | 00:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 00:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | i think i discussed that with jt some day | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | On IRC? | 00:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | could be | 00:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | prolly | 00:10 |
| +perlDreamer | we need a dedicated logger in the channel with a search engine. | 00:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | or otherwise on the devlist | 00:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 00:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | irc is quicker | 00:10 |
| +perlDreamer | much quicker | 00:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | but i kinda miss the devlist | 00:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | espescially since i'm in another tz | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | This is true. | 00:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | and lately i'm not on the channel very much | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll throw the question out there, then you can reply and sound all sage and wise since we've already talked it through here :) | 00:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | ha | 00:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll just paste my irc log | 00:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | easy money =) | 00:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | s/money/sageness/ | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't suppose Joeri is sitting around nearby? | 00:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | It should really be SQL. | 00:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | he isn't on msn either | 00:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | joeri should be sql? | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | No, there should be a SQL way of determining user rights. | 00:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | i agree | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | One that wraps the internal engine's API. | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | in a consistent, external query. | 00:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | bug -- | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: karma bug | 00:25 |
| perlbot | Karma for bug: 1 | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: karma bugs | 00:25 |
| perlbot | Karma for bugs: -2 | 00:25 |
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| preaction_ | question for those who go to geek meetings (perl mongers, LUG) | 05:35 |
| preaction_ | would a porn joke be considered "out of line"? | 05:35 |
| preaction_ | i'm thinking making a folder called XXX and putting a bunch of work documents, quipping "That's the name of the folder for stuff I don't like to look at" | 05:35 |
| vayde | I don't consider that out of line, but I'm not yr average geek | 05:37 |
| preaction_ | i suppose it might be ... sexist, and we already have a big enough problem with women in the CS field... | 05:38 |
| vayde | I would use that, and far worse in the course of my classes | 05:38 |
| preaction_ | i've got a two-hour presentation due in 8 days. i think i'm a little ... screwed | 05:38 |
| preaction_ | but i work better under pressure ;) | 05:39 |
| vayde | If I can help, just holler | 05:39 |
| vayde | but I think that remark is pretty tame | 05:39 |
| preaction_ | i googled for "perl one-liners" and found a wealth of material, just gotta cut it down and make it flow | 05:39 |
| preaction_ | a one-line HTTP server: perl -MIO::All -e 'io(":8080")->fork->accept->(sub { $_[0] < io(-x $1 ? "./$1 |" : $1) if /^GET \/(.*) / })' | 05:40 |
| vayde | nice | 05:40 |
| preaction_ | you wouldn't happen to have any favorite modules to use in one-liners? | 05:40 |
| preaction_ | i mean, LWP::Simple, CPAN, File::Path perhaps | 05:41 |
| preaction_ | ooh, totally forgot about File::Path, I hate having to create deep directories1 | 05:41 |
| vayde | not me. I'm not much of a one liner guy. I'll ask one of my guys | 05:41 |
| preaction_ | perl -MFile::Path -e'mkpath "this/is/a/deep/directory"'; | 05:41 |
| vayde | you're doing a presentation on one liners? | 05:42 |
| preaction_ | yup | 05:42 |
| vayde | that's pretty cool | 05:42 |
| preaction_ | http://madmongers.org/calendar/quick-and-dirty | 05:42 |
| preaction_ | if i do nicely i might ask if one or more of the local LUGs would like to hear it (more converts for the fire) | 05:43 |
| vayde | very cool | 05:43 |
| preaction_ | i think it's more of a rite-of-passage into complete nerd-dom. trial-by-fire and all that jazz | 05:44 |
| vayde | yeah, well, certain folks we both know like that kind of stuff | 05:44 |
| preaction_ | if andy'll be there, he's already given a presentation on this, so i imagine i'll have some experts to ... assist in my... baptism | 05:45 |
| vayde | You'll do fine | 05:45 |
| preaction_ | who do you think told me i had to do this ;) | 05:45 |
| * vayde nods, rolling his eyes | 05:45 | |
| preaction_ | it's not the presentation part i'm too worried about, i've got an actor's mentality to public speaking | 05:45 |
| vayde | how much public speaking/presentation experience do you have? | 05:45 |
| vayde | ahh, good | 05:45 |
| preaction_ | it's that i'm going to be faking a lot of knowledge i won't have | 05:45 |
| preaction_ | but i imagine "i don't know, but i can guess..." will be okay for this group | 05:46 |
| preaction_ | or "i don't know, but i know where you can find the answer to that..." | 05:46 |
| vayde | so don't fake it. present what you know concisely | 05:46 |
| vayde | that will be fine I'm sure | 05:46 |
| vayde | one of the coolest and most liberating things about being a teacher in any capacity is the ability to say 'I don't know' | 05:47 |
| preaction_ | a lot of it will be CPAN modules, so there's an out ("look on CPAN for the X::X module") | 05:47 |
| preaction_ | but then again, learning while writing this thing is the main reason i'm doing it | 05:48 |
| vayde | should be fun | 05:49 |
| preaction_ | i hope so. plus i imagine JT'll be there, so not entirely hostile audience (someone I can bounce bad jokes off of) | 05:49 |
| vayde | Or at least hide behind if the crowd gets too surly. | 05:50 |
| vayde | big dude like that will block many thrown objects | 05:50 |
| preaction_ | i dunno, if they start chucking laptops i think i'm going to have to find something female to distract them while i make a break for it | 05:51 |
| preaction_ | i'll bring the GF! | 05:51 |
| vayde | Are you in Madison? | 05:51 |
| preaction_ | no, Oshkosh is about 90 minutes away | 05:52 |
| vayde | I'll be in town on Sunday | 05:52 |
| vayde | Hmm I'll have to look at a map, if it's not too far off the path, maybe we can grab a brew? | 05:53 |
| preaction_ | it's up hwy 151 (60 minutes) until hwy 26 (30 minutes) | 05:53 |
| preaction_ | what time would you be thinking? | 05:54 |
| vayde | I'm done about 5-ish | 05:54 |
| vayde | I'll need to eat something, and then head for home | 05:55 |
| preaction_ | ah | 05:55 |
| vayde | I'll have some time though. Just have to be back in time for work on Mon | 05:56 |
| preaction_ | iirc i was planning on going to Wild Rose sunday during the day, which would put me closer to madison than oshkosh. | 05:57 |
| preaction_ | the issue being my gf would be coming with, and she's not yet of the age to go bar-hopping | 05:58 |
| preaction_ | i imagine there're decent bar/grills around madtown though | 05:58 |
| vayde | honestly, I probably shouldn't do a lot of drinking witha 4 hr drive ahead of me | 05:58 |
| preaction_ | which would work better anyway | 05:58 |
| vayde | last I heard, my gf is coming along too, we could at least have dinner | 05:58 |
| preaction_ | 4 hrs? why do you need to be in madison? | 05:59 |
| vayde | I have students there. | 05:59 |
| preaction_ | so once a month or bi-weekly or something? | 05:59 |
| vayde | I don't really want to drive 4 hours each way and spend my only down day in a seminar, but the kids are so dedicated | 05:59 |
| vayde | monthly | 05:59 |
| vayde | at least in theory | 06:00 |
| preaction_ | ahh | 06:00 |
| vayde | It was less of a problem when I didn't have 2 jobs | 06:00 |
| vayde | or when the second job was technically IN madison | 06:00 |
| vayde | hey preaction_, did JT finish the new version of the wre? | 06:36 |
| preaction_ | i'm not quite sure if it's finished yet, we've been busy | 06:37 |
| preaction_ | i think that was his hope this week, but right now he's at the origins games expo thingy | 06:37 |
| preaction_ | but it was also his hope last week, and iirc the week before too | 06:37 |
| vayde | hmm, my wre is incompatible with the latest version of wg. | 06:37 |
| preaction_ | 7.4 requires 0.8 i think | 06:37 |
| preaction_ | at least, the modules that come with 0.8 | 06:38 |
| preaction_ | might have to run sbin/testEnvironment.pl | 06:38 |
| vayde | is that whats in the repo right now? 7.4? | 06:38 |
| preaction_ | that's the trunk, yes | 06:38 |
| vayde | yeah, that would explain the errors | 06:39 |
| vayde | but wre 0.8 isn't out? | 06:39 |
| preaction_ | not that i'm aware of yet | 06:39 |
| preaction_ | major changes from what i hear, and the abolishment of a separate windows WRE | 06:39 |
| vayde | wild. be interested to see how that was accomplished | 06:41 |
| preaction_ | i'm more interested in the new features, apparently a perldoc server has been added | 06:42 |
| preaction_ | to view perldoc of WebGUI modules | 06:42 |
| vayde | cool | 06:42 |
| vayde | god I miss wG | 06:42 |
| vayde | I keep thinking once things settle down a bit I'll be able to do some more development here | 06:43 |
| preaction_ | word. it's hard to believe that just a few weeks ago the bug list was down to 6 :( | 06:43 |
| vayde | lol | 06:43 |
| vayde | I haven't looked at it | 06:43 |
| vayde | any of them with the email password recovery? | 06:44 |
| preaction_ | not that i remember | 06:44 |
| vayde | that's nice. | 06:44 |
| vayde | I can't make heads or tails of the new site. It's pretty, but I can't find anything. | 06:45 |
| vayde | where's the buglist? | 06:45 |
| preaction_ | http://webgui.org/bugs | 06:45 |
| vayde | ahh, now I see | 06:46 |
| vayde | that's the nice thing about wG. I'd actually like to solve probelms with it, learn more about it | 06:46 |
| vayde | with the crap I'm working on right now. It's hard to care | 06:46 |
| vayde | It's kinda like diagnosing problems on windows: Step 1) use something else | 06:47 |
| preaction_ | lol | 06:47 |
| vayde | the only good note is it's just temporary. We all hate it. | 06:48 |
| preaction_ | indeed | 06:48 |
| vayde | there we go. dev environment is back up | 06:50 |
| vayde | now I better go back to the *fun* stuff | 06:50 |
| preaction_ | goodluck | 06:50 |
| vayde | you should see the autoloader on this bastard | 06:51 |
| vayde | I'd post it, but that might violate something | 06:51 |
| preaction_ | mmmm NDAs | 06:51 |
| preaction_ | proprietary systems | 06:51 |
| vayde | no NDA | 06:51 |
| preaction_ | trade sekrits? | 06:52 |
| vayde | that kinda surprised me | 06:52 |
| vayde | I'm sure somebody thinks so | 06:52 |
| vayde | they've been surprisingly lax | 06:52 |
| preaction_ | i imagine you signed your rights to your code away? like responsible colleges do to professors on fellowship? | 06:52 |
| vayde | no, nothing | 06:52 |
| preaction_ | huh | 06:53 |
| vayde | I had to sign more to work with PB than I did to work for usbank | 06:53 |
| vayde | I've signed _nothing_ | 06:53 |
| vayde | gf is not coming, but we could still grab dinner if you like preaction_ | 07:51 |
| vayde | do you have my cell? | 07:51 |
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| preaction_ | uhm, i'd like to but it looks like wild rose is a bit further from madison than I anticipated (2 hrs.), and the idea with going to WR is to introduce the GF to the mother (and hopefully the siblings) | 07:58 |
| preaction_ | is it always the first weekend of the month? that's rocky weekend | 07:58 |
| vayde | naw, depends on when all involved are free | 08:04 |
| vayde | there'll be another time | 08:04 |
| vayde | I'll be back on the 12th of August | 08:04 |
| preaction_ | was just wondering, if you had a place to stay the Velvet Darkness does their thing the 1,3,5 saturday at 11:30p at the Orpheum | 08:05 |
| preaction_ | another time, then | 08:05 |
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| vayde | cool. I'd come out Sat. night if I had somewhere to stay, but as it is, I'll just drive out early and drive back in late | 08:07 |
| preaction_ | ah | 08:07 |
| vayde | I'd stay with my students, but they have dogs, and you know me... delicate | 08:07 |
| preaction_ | yes... delicate | 08:07 |
| vayde | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/incorrect-content#ALpxo5ydXhwsVd9c6ySbuw | 08:13 |
| vayde | that's not much of a bug | 08:13 |
| vayde | recon you can squash it real quick. I don't have access anymore | 08:14 |
| preaction_ | eh, i could if i weren't doing other things | 08:14 |
| vayde | just lettin you know... | 08:14 |
| preaction_ | actually that's a wiki page, everybody should be able to change that. and those two tutorials should be in the wiki somewhere already | 08:17 |
| vayde | I'll see what I can do | 08:17 |
| vayde | new site is slicker than snake snot | 08:24 |
| vayde | you ever check out vimperator? | 08:29 |
| preaction_ | nope | 08:30 |
| vayde | It's pretty cool. turns firefox into vim mor ore less | 08:30 |
| vayde | keybindings, commands, etc | 08:31 |
| preaction_ | nice | 08:31 |
| vayde | pretty cool, doesn't play nice with wG though apparently. | 08:31 |
| preaction_ | would be interesting, i find myself using vim commands in firefox on a regular basis (space to page down, / to find, ctrl+b to go back a page, etc...) | 08:33 |
| vayde | check it out | 08:34 |
| vayde | actually, it's pretty easy to get it to play with wG now that I find the trick | 08:35 |
| vayde | can I close the bug? or do I have to tell someone to do it? | 08:36 |
| preaction_ | i think you'd have to tell someone to do it | 08:38 |
| vayde | someone other than you? | 08:39 |
| preaction_ | nono, i can do it | 08:39 |
| vayde | lol | 08:39 |
| vayde | no worries, sooner or later someone with the power will look at it, and take care of it | 08:39 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning! | 15:36 |
| ckotil | hello | 15:38 |
| SDuensin | Hi ckotil | 15:40 |
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| * pjesi misses news on the frontpage | 20:32 | |
| * cap10morgan does too | 20:36 | |
| @preaction | like release news? | 20:46 |
| pjesi | for instance | 20:59 |
| pjesi | it is now only on the commercial site | 20:59 |
| @preaction | anyone know who wrote the new user invite thing for 7.4? was it perlDreamer? | 21:26 |
| @preaction | as a side note, i like 7.4 and think it will be teh awesome. a lot of RFEs went into this one | 21:31 |
| @preaction | first release in 2 weeks | 21:32 |
| @preaction | maybe 3 | 21:32 |
| * pjesi does not yet had a look at it | 22:02 | |
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| perlmonkey2 | Is it possible to do a passthrough on a cgi directory? | 23:03 |
| @preaction | passthrough tells webgui to ignore it, you'd have to tell apache what to do with it, but it might be better to have that directory bypass webgui entirely using a <Directory> or a <Location> directive (either that or you have to do both, i forget which) | 23:04 |
| perlmonkey2 | What do you mean by directory bypass? | 23:39 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/how-to-get-passthruurls-to-work | 23:48 |
| @preaction | i imagine you can SetHandler cgi-script .pl .cgi after SetHandler None (to remove the mod_perl handler) | 23:49 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Weird, it was the sethandler none that worked. I had sethandler PerlScript and that just gave me the .pl code. | 23:51 |
| @preaction | that's an apache issue, #apache can help, but might i suggest SetHandler cgi-script .pl | 23:52 |
| perlmonkey2 | preaction: no, sethandler none fixed it. now it works. just strange. | 23:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: you were looking for me? | 00:00 |
| @preaction | do you have any idea why the value for a required on registration element would be "HASH(0xblah)"? | 00:01 |
| @preaction | i've got one site from unitedknowledge that's doing this | 00:01 |
| @preaction | and i have so little information about what's going on there that i can't figure it out | 00:01 |
| @preaction | i can't reproduce | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | Is that part of User Invite, or the password recovery stuff? | 00:02 |
| @preaction | http://arjan.unitedknowledge.nl/?op=auth;method=createAccount <- this | 00:02 |
| @preaction | i noticed some weird code in the createAccount sub: $emailField = {}; but later it's treated as a scalar (when getting the e-mail from the invite code) | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | that might explain the email address, but not the second field. | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Hm. With user invites turned off, the hash ref leaks through. | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | That's a bug. | 00:06 |
| @preaction | oh, it happens when it's turned OFF... god | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | How do you pull an old rev out of SVN? | 00:08 |
| @preaction | svn up -r<revision> | 00:08 |
| @preaction | i was thinking that too, it might be a bug already fixed | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | No, I'm running on head and it's still in there. | 00:10 |
| +perlDreamer | And there's the other bug, stomping on the required fields. | 00:11 |
| @preaction | wtf why does it not show up on my site? | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you have user invitations turned on? | 00:12 |
| @preaction | i tried it turned on, i tried it turned off | 00:12 |
| @preaction | neither | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | what rev are you running? | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | And do you have profile fields set as required? | 00:13 |
| @preaction | i'm running HEAD, and i set them as show on registration, i'll check required | 00:14 |
| @preaction | email is: visible, editable, required, and show at registration | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | The fix is very simple | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | vim Auth.pm | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | s/emailAddress = \{\}/emailAddress = undef/ | 00:15 |
| @preaction | oh god, i couldn't see it because i had fixed it already | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Dude, you're psychic! | 00:16 |
| @preaction | christ... | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Commit the fix and remember to chastise me thoroughly in the commit log | 00:16 |
| @preaction | k | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | why does Config->set have to write the config file? | 01:41 |
| nuba | whoa, i've just received the June edition of IEEE's computer magazine | 01:47 |
| nuba | there's a nice article about this tool called Koala | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | what is it? | 01:47 |
| nuba | being developed by IBM, targetting web scripting for the masses | 01:47 |
| nuba | you go to a website, use it, fill a form, submit, do stuff, etc. | 01:48 |
| nuba | all that gets recorded by a firefox sidebar | 01:48 |
| nuba | in plaintext format | 01:48 |
| nuba | you can share that script, edit it, etc | 01:48 |
| nuba | it recognizes the places in which you have to fill for stuff and asks the user for it | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | like HTTP::Recorder ? | 01:49 |
| nuba | really cool when it comes to automating using websites | 01:49 |
| nuba | from what i understand, HTTP::Recorder works like a proxy, right ? | 01:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes. If you combine it with WWW::Mechanize, it would do what you're talking abuot | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | but requires hacker-level proficiency, not typical-user | 01:50 |
| nuba | but the researcher there states the goal of this tool is to help "small teams easily automate their own idiosyncratic workflows" | 01:50 |
| nuba | and to build a community of people sharing these automations on the web | 01:50 |
| nuba | yeah im familiar with www::mechanize | 01:50 |
| nuba | you really have to see the screenshots of the sidebar with the script to get the gist of it | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Is it online publicly? | 01:52 |
| nuba | its sooo like stuff my parents would be able to use | 01:53 |
| nuba | just a sec.. | 01:53 |
| nuba | yeah here you have it: http://www.computer.org/portal/site/computer/menuitem.eb7d70008ce52e4b0ef1bd108bcd45f3/index.jsp?&pName=computer_level1&path=computer/homepage/June07&file=invisible.xml&xsl=article.xsl&;jsessionid=GN2rhtFcSdyv4pLTT1TCdBH4v9vm3ngJT0j81y1kLvL29kZ9g2vS!1599257154 | 01:54 |
| nuba | or http://tinyurl.com/3eyk4x | 01:54 |
| nuba | i went to IBM's website right away but its not yet available | 01:55 |
| +perlDreamer | You're right. It's very social. Kind of like a scripted, interactive HOWTO. | 01:56 |
| +perlDreamer | But I also see where it could be used to browser level test automation. | 01:56 |
| nuba | notice in one of the images, this toolbar: "open in sidebar" "run" "edit" "duplicate" etc. | 01:56 |
| nuba | and below the script, the comments from other usres | 01:57 |
| nuba | users* | 01:57 |
| nuba | this pic: http://tinyurl.com/3a5vh8 | 01:57 |
| nuba | yeah this would make writing automated tests also very easy | 01:58 |
| nuba | i have some problems with www::mechanize, mostly because of javascript editing the dom | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | The interface reminds of VB macros in Microsoft Office. | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Yeah, I've looked a little at Selenium to handle problems like that, but it seems like a steep learning curve. | 01:59 |
| nuba | well when that happens with me i have to grab the html from the mech, edit it as needed myself, and feed it again to the mech | 02:00 |
| nuba | so that means coupling www::mechanize with firefox's webdeveloper and livehttpheader extensions | 02:00 |
| nuba | its really messy | 02:00 |
| nuba | looking at selenium now | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | Doea Koala require installing a plug-in, or does it work entirely in Javascript? | 02:05 |
| nuba | well as of yet it seems like a firefox extension to me | 02:08 |
| nuba | theres a nice video in the ibm website too | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll have to check that out at home. | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | No multimedia at $dayJob | 02:09 |
| nuba | heh i'll stop now | 02:09 |
| nuba | heh btw im by no means whatsoever involved with IBM or the koala initiative etc. etc. | 02:10 |
| nuba | :) | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Hey, it does sound very cool. | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd rather write koala than Selenium/Mech code any day. | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | It's natural language. | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | That means we could get WebGUI users to record bug statements and then publish them. | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | No more trying to guess how they did something. | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Then those bugs become part of the permanent record for wG. | 02:11 |
| nuba | yeah its amazing what you could do with that | 02:11 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning. | 15:39 |
| +Radix_ | evenin' | 17:12 |
| SDuensin | Hi Radix_ | 17:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | Morning folks | 17:50 |
| @preaction | morning | 17:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I noted your commt from last night, preaction | 17:54 |
| +perlDreamer | You forgot to chastise me :) | 17:54 |
| @preaction | meh | 17:54 |
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| +crythias | and then I said to her... Necklace? I thought you said Perl Module... | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | That's how you always get the girls, crythias. | 18:37 |
| +crythias | Somehow, "Let me insert my module in your filesystem" just doesn't seem to be an aphrodisiac with most women. | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | no, filesystems are about storage. | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | They want to be a module in your kernel, not some peripheral. | 18:38 |
| +crythias | "I promise it's taint safe" | 18:38 |
| +crythias | well, as long as I can insmod or kldmod | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | So what's up in the BSD-using WebGUI world? | 18:39 |
| nuba | suffering | 18:40 |
| nuba | with thread libs and modperl crashing | 18:40 |
| nuba | > Fatal error 'Spinlock called when not threaded.' at line 83 in file /usr/src/lib/libpthread/thread/thr_spinlock.c (errno = 2) | 18:40 |
| +crythias | well, what with it using ImageMagick. | 18:40 |
| nuba | ? | 18:41 |
| +crythias | grr | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | It's only 3 weeks 'til the 7.4 WebGUI and 0.8 WRE release. | 18:41 |
| +crythias | oh? | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | Then it will start using GraphicsMagick instead | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes | 18:41 |
| +crythias | I spose I should update my faq | 18:41 |
| nuba | no shit! | 18:44 |
| nuba | its gone!!! :o | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Serious, nuba. | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Huh? | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | What do you mean? | 18:44 |
| nuba | its been three days since this was kicking my ass | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | mod_perl stuff on BSD? | 18:44 |
| nuba | oh damn | 18:44 |
| nuba | not really, its still here | 18:44 |
| nuba | ugh | 18:44 |
| nuba | yes, mod_perl, threads, freebsd... | 18:45 |
| nuba | now its not producing that Spinlock error anymore | 18:46 |
| nuba | its only silently segfaulting | 18:46 |
| nuba | aint it lovely? | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | Is switching to a different BSD or Linux an option? | 18:46 |
| nuba | this is with the 7.2 wre, btw | 18:46 |
| nuba | is gonna be, if it continues like this | 18:46 |
| nuba | wre on linux has always been smooth for me | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I haven't used the WRE yet. I've always used Fedora's packages. | 18:48 |
| nuba | with freebsd the install is all about "ok, lets find out about what went wrong this time" moments | 18:48 |
| nuba | at least for me | 18:48 |
| nuba | ok, this is looking good | 18:51 |
| nuba | now for the record, if anyone else gets stuck on this | 18:51 |
| * perlDreamer suggests a wiki page | 18:51 | |
| +perlDreamer | instead of an IRC log | 18:51 |
| nuba | hmm can be | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | It _is_more work, but you'll reach a whole lot more people that way. | 18:52 |
| nuba | true | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Make you a deal. If you'll share the fix, I can make the wiki page. | 18:53 |
| nuba | im already at the wiki, thx anyway :) | 18:55 |
| nuba | where would freebsd-specific notes go there ? a new wiki page, or as a section into the http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wre-building one? | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I would make a new page. WRE-Building-on-BSD | 18:57 |
| nuba | k | 18:57 |
| nuba | these I have here are just are just scattered notes, no text structure or much coment, is that fine ? | 18:58 |
| nuba | i figure its a good seed | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Sure. | 18:58 |
| nuba | if someone wants to build upon it later | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | The new version may make the info unnecessary, but it will help people today, and who don't want to upgrade yet. | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: ping | 19:03 |
| @preaction | ACK! | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Can you please move this http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/webguiuser-has-no-way-to-get-a-user-when-you-only-know-their-username | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | to the RFE section? | 19:03 |
| @preaction | k | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks | 19:05 |
| @preaction | i imagine assigning it a difficulty of 1 would be prudent, since the patch seems stable | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | indeed. | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | In fact, maybe someone with SVN access will add it himself. Perhaps even write test code for it. | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | But it has to be an RFE for that ;) | 19:07 |
| nuba | no words for how im happy after getting modperl to act straight on freebsd :) | 19:07 |
| nuba | they joy of bugfixing :) | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | Should I be worried that it took 3 days for an email to the WebGUI dev list to come through? | 19:08 |
| nuba | or rather, circunventing | 19:08 |
| @preaction | i just nudged spectre, i think there's still a problem with the cron code | 19:20 |
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| nuba | im so lucky | 19:25 |
| nuba | getting an error with spectre now | 19:25 |
| nuba | root@aviva# date | 19:25 |
| nuba | Fri Jul 6 08:19:25 UTC 2007 | 19:25 |
| nuba | root@aviva# perl spectre.pl --run | 19:25 |
| nuba | Cannot determine local time zone | 19:25 |
| nuba | should I fill a bug ? | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | That may not be a WebGUI bug, but a DateTime bug. | 19:25 |
| ckotil | we're encountering a bug with date time, not webgui related tho | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | do share :) | 19:26 |
| nuba | it triggers here | 19:26 |
| nuba | 211: POE::Kernel->run(); | 19:26 |
| nuba | leaves the spectre.pl code here | 19:27 |
| nuba | main::(./spectre.pl:107): Spectre::Admin->new($config, $debug); | 19:27 |
| ckotil | im not sure of the specifics. | 19:27 |
| nuba | im trying with the machine's date not set to UTC | 19:27 |
| nuba | ok, doing this.. | 19:31 |
| nuba | root@aviva# cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Sao_Paulo /etc/localtime | 19:31 |
| nuba | root@aviva# perl ./spectre.pl --run | 19:31 |
| nuba | it works fine | 19:31 |
| nuba | is that a bug? | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | Only for the operating system. | 19:32 |
| nuba | i see | 19:33 |
| nuba | i know this may look dumb, but how do i add a new topic to the wiki ? | 19:52 |
| nuba | i tried addind a link to the toc and work from there, but it didnt worked | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | It's not dumb. It's obfuscated. | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Search for a page | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | The search results page will give you a link to add a new page. | 19:52 |
| nuba | ok. thx | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: is that RFE considered "approved"? | 20:02 |
| @preaction | i don't know, while i would approve it, i don't know what TMRFE will say to it | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | well, I have it all prepped, including testing code. | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll wait till he weighs in | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | Anyone know cap10morgan's real name? | 20:07 |
| nuba | added http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wre-building-on-freebsd-5.3 to the wiki | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | Thanks, nuba! | 20:17 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil: you may want to read that article, since he also had lftp building problems. | 20:18 |
| nuba | bbiaw | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | lunch, then Transformers. cya later | 21:53 |
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| ckotil | ah, thanks. | 23:37 |
| ckotil | transformers rockd! | 23:38 |
| nuba | it transformed me | 23:41 |
| nuba | in a dissatisfied moviegoer | 23:41 |
| nuba | :/ | 23:41 |
| nuba | i think it didnt live up to my expectations as one who watched transformer toons as a kid | 23:42 |
| nuba | dunno | 23:43 |
| nuba | i felt like the trailers i've seen were better than the movie (!) | 23:44 |
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| ckotil | heh | 00:26 |
| ckotil | heading home. | 00:26 |
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| @preaction | Radix_: you around? have you heard anything good or bad about the Nokia N75 phone? | 08:34 |
| +Radix_ | Hiya | 08:40 |
| +Radix_ | I really don't know much about nokia smartphone's myself. I went windows mobile years ago and haven't looked back :) I like reading ebooks too much. | 08:41 |
| @preaction | sup | 08:41 |
| @preaction | yeah, it'd be nice to get a WM5 phone, but i also have to think about what plainblack will buy me | 08:42 |
| +Radix_ | Ahh.. salary sacrificing for it or something like that? | 08:42 |
| @preaction | no, i got a raise for taking on the responsibility of being on-call | 08:43 |
| @preaction | so they'll pay for a phone/plan | 08:43 |
| @preaction | within reason | 08:43 |
| +Radix_ | heh.. k | 08:43 |
| @preaction | they won't pay for an iphone, but a $50 i'm sure i can convince vrby | 08:43 |
| @preaction | i got the financing for my house, so i'll be broke for a few months because of the down payment | 08:43 |
| @preaction | unfortunately, when i can't even make calls because the damn antenna is gone on my motorola 8200 | 08:44 |
| +Radix_ | doh | 08:44 |
| @preaction | plus, it'd be very very nice to find a phone with bluetooth DUN | 08:44 |
| +Radix_ | sony ericson make some nice phones, but they're not really smartphones | 08:44 |
| @preaction | nokia N75 has it, but i've been reading these reviews saying that the battery life is rather low (it says 4 hours of talk, 8 days of standby, but these reviewers say less) | 08:44 |
| @preaction | doesn't have to be very smart | 08:45 |
| @preaction | i need: mp3, bluetooth DUN, link with any OS | 08:45 |
| @preaction | and apparently branded phones are crap, but that's about all you can get in the US | 08:46 |
| +Radix_ | my gf has the sony ericson k800i and is pretty happy with it | 08:46 |
| @preaction | http://www.myrateplan.com/iphone_compare/ <- i've been looking at this thing | 08:46 |
| @preaction | the ericson W810i is on there, and that seems nice | 08:47 |
| @preaction | except for the no high-speed data (EDGE / HDsomething) | 08:47 |
| +Radix_ | hers has a 3.2mp camera which takes some pretty good shots | 08:47 |
| @preaction | jesus | 08:47 |
| @preaction | it's a camera that happens to be a phone | 08:49 |
| +Radix_ | it's actually a pretty decent phone too | 08:50 |
| @preaction | yeah, it does look nice, would work for just about all i need, now to find a carrier | 08:50 |
| +Radix_ | We don't really have anything faster than edge here tho, so don't know about hsdpa | 08:50 |
| @preaction | sometimes i swear the america gets shafted because of our system of "phone goes with network plan" | 08:56 |
| @preaction | http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n95-1716.php <- holy crap me wanty! | 08:57 |
| @preaction | which is, of course, $700 for the phone | 08:58 |
| +Radix_ | They have a phone/plan combo here too.. which is how most people buy stuff.. but you can buy a phone outright as well - it just costs a bit more | 09:09 |
| +Radix_ | especially for the higher end phones, as the lower ones get subsidized a lot | 09:09 |
| @preaction | i'm tempted to wait until open moko is released on a phone | 09:21 |
| @preaction | a free OS for mobile phones would be awesome | 09:21 |
| +Radix_ | heh | 09:21 |
| @preaction | it's like we're at the cusp of a mobile computing revolution, and it'd be stupid to try to find a decent one until the dust settles | 09:25 |
| @preaction | on one end, you have the iphone, on another end, the neo1973, and you've got every other company pushing to get towards the iphone | 09:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | Does anyone know why WebGUI::Storage::Image doesn't recoginize tiff's or bmp's as image files? | 00:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 00:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | ther just not is some array in trhat file | 00:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | but why they aren't i do not know | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Dude, this cannot be. I thought you knew everything?! | 00:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | i do | 00:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | but tomorrow i'll be off to France | 00:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | so i'm on vacation | 00:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | ask me again in three weeks =) | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | You have a good vacation, Martin. You've earned it. | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | Drink some great wine and eat some stinky cheese. | 00:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | i hate cheese | 00:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | but i'll compensate with some extra wine | 00:09 |
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| @rizen | nuba, r u here? | 00:59 |
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| +Radix-wrk | http://video.on.nytimes.com/?fr_story=f390265dcbb9e1f1da97a69637e921d39b6c99aa - iPhone: the Musical | 03:32 |
| @rizen | that's hillarious | 03:47 |
| +Radix-wrk | :) | 03:56 |
| +Radix-wrk | He seems to do a good assessment of the pro's and con's too :) | 03:57 |
| +Radix-wrk | you got one yet JT? | 03:57 |
| @rizen | well at least of the perceived pros and cons | 03:57 |
| @rizen | yup | 03:57 |
| @rizen | got it on iphone friday | 03:57 |
| +Radix-wrk | heh | 03:57 |
| +Radix-wrk | Got root access yet? | 03:57 |
| @rizen | no, don't care to | 03:58 |
| @rizen | not at least until people learn how to install applications on it | 03:58 |
| +Radix-wrk | not even curious? :) | 03:58 |
| @rizen | last week i was on site at a convention that one of our clients was running, and i took the iphone | 03:58 |
| @rizen | but i left my laptop in the room | 03:58 |
| @rizen | while on the convention floor i used the iphone to look up informaiton on the web, check the status of some web sites, keep in touch with my staff and convention folks through email and phone | 03:59 |
| @rizen | i took notes of software issues, kept all my appointments with the calendar | 03:59 |
| @rizen | woke myself up each morning with the built in alarm clock | 03:59 |
| +Radix-wrk | cool | 03:59 |
| @rizen | and took pictures of the convention attendees | 04:00 |
| @rizen | i can honestly say, that the iphone was AWESOME for this | 04:00 |
| +Radix-wrk | Do you guys have data charges in the US for web browsing/email/etc? | 04:00 |
| @rizen | not a single problem | 04:00 |
| @rizen | it's built in to the cell phone | 04:00 |
| @rizen | unlimited data transfer | 04:00 |
| @rizen | built into the plan i mean | 04:00 |
| +Radix-wrk | What kind of plan is that? | 04:01 |
| +Radix-wrk | cost? | 04:01 |
| @rizen | my wife and i both have iphones, and we get 400 SMS messages, 1400 anytime minutes, free in-network calling, unlimited nights and weekends, and unlimited data transfer for $130 (total for the 2 phones) | 04:02 |
| @rizen | $130/month | 04:02 |
| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. expensive plan | 04:03 |
| @rizen | expensive compared to a regular cell phone plan | 04:03 |
| @rizen | but cheap compared to most PDA / Smartphone plans | 04:04 |
| @rizen | at least in the US | 04:04 |
| @rizen | don't know about abroad | 04:04 |
| @rizen | most smartphone plans don't have unlimited data | 04:04 |
| @rizen | and most only come with 100 sms messages | 04:05 |
| @rizen | for that price | 04:05 |
| +Radix-wrk | Ahh k.. that sounds more like it is here then | 04:05 |
| @rizen | i went to a wedding this weekend where half of the people there were from oz | 04:13 |
| @rizen | the groom is a friend of mine from sydney | 04:13 |
| @rizen | but people came in from all over | 04:14 |
| +Radix-wrk | We get around :) | 04:15 |
| +Radix-wrk | Besides.. it's cold and wet here.. so of course we'd want to go north :) | 04:15 |
| +Radix-wrk | http://www.gearlive.com/news/article/q307-how-to-use-irc-on-the-iphone/ | 04:31 |
| @rizen | requires your local pc to be on and in range | 04:33 |
| +Radix-wrk | true | 04:34 |
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| sstanvir | hello! | 07:56 |
| rizen_ | howdy | 07:56 |
| sstanvir | how r u doing? | 07:56 |
| rizen_ | terrible, and you? | 07:57 |
| sstanvir | haha.. | 07:57 |
| sstanvir | i dont know how I am now ...;) | 07:57 |
| sstanvir | i am having serious problem with webGUI cache | 07:57 |
| sstanvir | r u in the mood of discussion ? | 07:58 |
| rizen_ | i'll see what i can do | 07:58 |
| sstanvir | great | 07:58 |
| rizen_ | be warned that i don't really do support on this channel...but we'll see | 07:58 |
| sstanvir | thats enough.. thnx | 07:59 |
| sstanvir | the problem is.. | 07:59 |
| sstanvir | our customer is always complaining that + | 07:59 |
| sstanvir | he is always gets old content (from our server that uses webGUI) | 07:59 |
| sstanvir | we setup the "prevent proxy-caching" | 07:59 |
| sstanvir | + | 08:00 |
| sstanvir | but now its like.. + | 08:00 |
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| sstanvir | when we refresh a page.. it still shows the old content+ | 08:00 |
| sstanvir | it only shows the new content when we close the browser + | 08:00 |
| sstanvir | and reopen it | 08:00 |
| sstanvir | (browser = IE) | 08:00 |
| sstanvir | what should I do now? | 08:01 |
| rizen_ | what version do you use? | 08:02 |
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| sstanvir | 7.0.6 | 08:03 |
| rizen_ | that's the problem | 08:05 |
| sstanvir | ? | 08:05 |
| rizen_ | 7.3.18 and above has all cache problems fixed | 08:05 |
| rizen_ | there's no easy way to backport them to 7.0 | 08:06 |
| sstanvir | hmm | 08:07 |
| sstanvir | I am afraid. management can't afford to setup new version of webGUI at the moment | 08:07 |
| sstanvir | it's a always up server .. | 08:07 |
| sstanvir | isn't there any patch or something like that? | 08:08 |
| rizen_ | i just said no | 08:08 |
| rizen_ | and you don't need to set up a new server | 08:08 |
| rizen_ | you just need to upgrade | 08:08 |
| sstanvir | hmm | 08:08 |
| sstanvir | problem is original sources have been changed to meet requirements.. | 08:09 |
| rizen_ | well if you want to try and patch it yourself you can | 08:10 |
| rizen_ | the changes were made in lib/WebGUI.pm | 08:11 |
| rizen_ | and lib/WebGUI/Session/Http.pm | 08:11 |
| rizen_ | i think that's it | 08:11 |
| sstanvir | ah.. cool | 08:11 |
| +Radix-wrk | rizen: is wg 7.4 going to have those changes to allow users to change their passwords easier? (without involving entering in profile fields like 7.3 does?) | 08:11 |
| rizen_ | if you search through https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI | 08:11 |
| rizen_ | you might be able to find the specific patches made | 08:11 |
| rizen_ | yes | 08:11 |
| +Radix-wrk | cool.. just checking :) | 08:12 |
| +Radix-wrk | We're still using 7.08 because of that ourselves | 08:12 |
| sstanvir | ok rizen, I will pass on the info to my team lead.. | 08:13 |
| sstanvir | lets see if it works patching lib/WebGUI.pm and lib/WebGUI/Session/Http.pm | 08:14 |
| sstanvir | thank u very much | 08:14 |
| rizen_ | why would you change the core of WebGUI/ | 08:15 |
| rizen_ | ? | 08:15 |
| sstanvir | well.. i dont know much.. but | 08:16 |
| sstanvir | like instead of webGUI authentication method.. some other modules have been made | 08:16 |
| sstanvir | i guess not much change.. | 08:16 |
| sstanvir | but drop by drop it made huge changes | 08:16 |
| rizen_ | yeah, and it sounds like you used plugin points | 08:17 |
| rizen_ | and if that's true | 08:17 |
| rizen_ | then there's no problem | 08:17 |
| sstanvir | i guess so | 08:17 |
| +Radix-wrk | any authentication modules the rest of us could benefit from? :) | 08:18 |
| sstanvir | :) | 08:22 |
| sstanvir | actually its nothing special .. | 08:23 |
| sstanvir | just changed too add some function for user validation or password recovery methods.. | 08:24 |
| +Radix-wrk | http://www.hanselman.com/blog/BeyondElvisEinsteinAndMortNewProgrammingStereotypesForWeb20.aspx | 08:59 |
| +Radix-wrk | hehe.. I'm right at the end in that - the "Not-The-Sysadmin" guy :) | 09:02 |
| +Radix-wrk | On a related note: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33210 | 09:13 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning! | 15:49 |
| ckotil | good morning | 15:53 |
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| Khaytsus | preaction: Remember my "asses have disapeared" issue from a week ago? It's mysteriously fixed. | 20:26 |
| Khaytsus | One clue I've gotten is someone said "I went to your page, went to register, filled it out, got the email, and when I clicked the link to verify, the page was blank" | 20:26 |
| Khaytsus | And that was ~7 days ago | 20:26 |
| Khaytsus | So my guess is some process involved in that did some maintenance or something..... I've disabled anonymous registration for now. | 20:27 |
| @rizen | nuba, are you around? | 20:27 |
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| nuba | rizen: around? | 22:17 |
| @rizen | yeah, on phone...be with you in a min | 22:18 |
| nuba | ok, bbiab, relocating.. | 22:18 |
| @rizen | i'm back when you are | 22:20 |
| nuba | hey | 22:20 |
| nuba | im @ university atm, will be back at home later today | 22:20 |
| nuba | whats up? | 22:20 |
| @rizen | was wondering what the status of the maps asset was....do you think you'll be finished by the feature freeze date (July 2) | 22:21 |
| @rizen | July 20 | 22:21 |
| nuba | i hope so | 22:21 |
| nuba | whats the real deadline, for me to submit this to you ? | 22:22 |
| nuba | i understand you want to launch 7.4 onjuly 20, isn't it so ? | 22:22 |
| @rizen | yes...july 20 | 22:23 |
| @rizen | that's the real deadline | 22:23 |
| nuba | getting this to you on july 20's noon time would be ok ? | 22:24 |
| @rizen | yup | 22:25 |
| nuba | awesome. will keep it in mind, of course the sooner the better :) | 22:26 |
| nuba | i've got a couple of gmaps ebooks to boost me up to speed | 22:27 |
| nuba | so im confident i'll make it in time for the deadline | 22:28 |
| @rizen | sweet | 22:28 |
| @rizen | i really want to use it on webgui.org | 22:28 |
| @rizen | so webgui users can stick a pin in it for wherever they are and we'll know how far reaching the community is | 22:28 |
| nuba | that'd be rad! | 22:29 |
| @rizen | it would also be neat to see if there are other users local to yourself | 22:29 |
| @rizen | so in my case, how many webgui users in wisconsin | 22:29 |
| @rizen | or in your case, brazil | 22:29 |
| @preaction | rizen: the new 7.4 password recovery, should it be possible to turn it off? or should it always be "email" unless it is "profile field"? | 22:29 |
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| @rizen | it should be "off", "email", or "profile based" | 22:30 |
| @rizen | that way we can also add others later if we want | 22:30 |
| @rizen | and some sites don't want you to get back in if you lost your account | 22:30 |
| @preaction | because either this patch wasn't finished or whoever wrote it was being durned lazy... | 22:30 |
| @rizen | that sux | 22:30 |
| @preaction | eh, to be expected | 22:30 |
| @rizen | the good news is that whomever wrote it doesn't work here anymore, and therefore we don't have to put up with crap from them | 22:31 |
| nuba | huh | 22:33 |
| @rizen | nothing for you to worry about nuba | 22:35 |
| @rizen | just an RFE for 7.4 that one of our former employees only half wrote, but that said was done | 22:35 |
| @preaction | yeah, this is what'll take my day today... | 22:37 |
| @preaction | if i'd like the WebGUI::Operation::Settings->www_editSettings to be able to display an error message, knowing that the settings that comprise the form can come from anywhere, would i have to use a session scratch variable (like WebGUI::Asset->www_edit currently does)? | 22:41 |
| @preaction | nevermind, i think i have a good idea | 22:42 |
| nuba | bbiaw | 22:50 |
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| Khaytsus | preaction: You notice I mentioend my assetts problem went away earlier? :) | 23:48 |
| @preaction | yup | 23:49 |
| Khaytsus | Go figure | 23:49 |
| Khaytsus | DAMN work cache.. Just gave me a scare, I thought it was broke again | 23:50 |
| @jamestolley | anyone have an idea how I might change the background color on locked assets? | 23:59 |
| @preaction | in the asset manager i hope? | 23:59 |
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| @jamestolley | I don't think so... I think it's to show up on each page, if the thing is locked... it looked hairy to me.. | 00:00 |
| @preaction | it might mean when admin mode is on, notice the grey bar above each asset on the page? that's encased in a div. you should be able to edit the template to change the background color of that div | 00:04 |
| @preaction | it doesn't sound like a good idea to me, but whatevz | 00:04 |
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| @jamestolley | ... is this your understanding as well ? That these are the places, and nowhere in the code, where these background-colors need to be edited (to be dynamiuc, of course) | 01:42 |
| @jamestolley | oops! | 01:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: If WebGUI wins the community choice award, are you coming out to Portland to accept it? | 01:43 |
| nuba | sourceforge's community awards are great to raise awareness about a given software | 01:45 |
| nuba | im crossing my fingers for webgui | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll wear my supply of WebGUI T-shirts to the conference. | 01:46 |
| nuba | i can see a ultramegaboost in the community size if that happens | 01:46 |
| nuba | cause that means appearing in all sorts of medias | 01:48 |
| * perlDreamer hopes for more testing whackos | 01:48 | |
| nuba | in all sorts of places | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | we need to bootstrap the automated browser testing of WebGUI | 01:48 |
| nuba | perlDreamer: was it you who i've talked with about koala ? | 01:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes. | 01:49 |
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| nuba | in a broader sense, generally speaking, programs which have a GUI could have as well means to report their GUI's features and resources so that they could be programmed. a specific instance of this would be the browser reporting all "hotspots" of a html document being rendered, be it html, embedded plugins, etc. | 01:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | kind of makes you wonder if that's already been done, automatic GUI testing, rather than the subset of automated browser testing. | 01:56 |
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| nuba | if you think about koala, its just at the browser level, just at the html | 01:56 |
| nuba | i wonder when we would see something of which koala would be a specialization | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | It's more than HTML, because it's automating clicks and other operations, isn't it? | 01:57 |
| nuba | yes | 01:59 |
| nuba | but i bet it wont support clicking on a embedded flash in a page | 01:59 |
| nuba | or java applets | 02:00 |
| nuba | etc. | 02:00 |
| nuba | i used to do lots of automation with this tool long ago http://www.networkautomation.com/automate/interface.htm | 02:00 |
| nuba | but that was more like the usual recorded macros thing | 02:00 |
| @rizen | stupid irc client | 02:09 |
| Radix__ | perlDreamer: koala could work on IE as well if it worked well with IETab | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | What's IETab? Does it read and interpret FireFox extensions? | 02:23 |
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| +Radix-wrk | preaction: http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/09/openmoko-neo-1973-and-advanced-dev-kit-finally-for-sale/ | 05:06 |
| @preaction | damnit damnit damnit | 05:07 |
| @preaction | you'll never guess what i just bought... | 05:07 |
| +Radix-wrk | heh | 05:08 |
| +Radix-wrk | What? | 05:08 |
| +Radix-wrk | the openmoko website is dead anyway.. you'd never get an order in :) | 05:08 |
| @preaction | samsung upstage | 05:08 |
| @preaction | i've got a thirty-day grace period | 05:09 |
| @preaction | but it's the only phone i've found that supports bluetooth DUN, and is a half-way decent mp3 player | 05:09 |
| * Radix-wrk googles. | 05:09 | |
| +Radix-wrk | looks chunky | 05:09 |
| @preaction | how so? this thing is tiny | 05:10 |
| +Radix-wrk | 3.5mm jack - that's good | 05:10 |
| @preaction | 3.5cm by 9cm by .6cm about | 05:10 |
| +Radix-wrk | Oh.. sorry.. with the battery wallet | 05:10 |
| @preaction | yeah, that's a little bigger | 05:11 |
| +Radix-wrk | Okay.. so it's two sided with a button switching between them? | 05:11 |
| @preaction | yup | 05:11 |
| @preaction | only slightly annoying | 05:11 |
| +Radix-wrk | candy bar design.. hmm.. looks nice enough | 05:12 |
| +Radix-wrk | Dunno about samsung tho | 05:13 |
| +Radix-wrk | How easy is it to connect to your pc and get files on/off it? | 05:13 |
| @preaction | it's decently easy, the samsung drivers appear to support everything standard windows | 05:14 |
| @preaction | haven't tried OSX yet | 05:14 |
| +Radix-wrk | cool | 05:14 |
| @preaction | plus they have a not-quite-intuitive music syncing program (not as good as itunes by a long chalk) | 05:14 |
| +Radix-wrk | Never used a samsung phone myself.. but I know my mum's LG syncing software is diabolical | 05:14 |
| +Radix-wrk | every company does it differently :) | 05:15 |
| @preaction | yeah, it'd be best if they all just decided to support the One Standard (the USB file sync and/or bluetooth file sync) | 05:15 |
| +Radix-wrk | All should have mini usb connectors imho :) | 05:16 |
| @preaction | haven't figured out if it supports bluetooth A2DP yet, there's another phone at spring that does, but it's as big as my old phone (a fracking brick) | 05:16 |
| nuba | why isn't webgui listed here: http://freenode.net/primary_groups.shtml ? | 05:18 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah, a2dp is nice, though I ended up not using my stereo bluetooth headset as much as I'd thought I would so sold it to a friend | 05:18 |
| nuba | err, #webgui | 05:18 |
| nuba | rizen: ? | 05:18 |
| @rizen | yes nuba | 05:19 |
| nuba | why isn't webgui listed here: http://freenode.net/primary_groups.shtml ? | 05:19 |
| @preaction | i want a2dp so i can get a bluetooth enabled head unit for my car, then my awesome will be complete | 05:19 |
| nuba | im just curious, not whining.. | 05:19 |
| @rizen | that's preactions job | 05:20 |
| @rizen | he's in charge of irc | 05:20 |
| nuba | it seems they can be contacted at web@freenode.net for comments on that page | 05:21 |
| @preaction | i'd have to have vrby or you do all the paperwork, they want a contact address / phone number before they'll give out stuff like that if i remember correctly | 05:22 |
| nuba | i'd comment that "webgui is missing" :) | 05:22 |
| @preaction | they're verified by phone it seems, if i were to fill out a group contact form | 05:23 |
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| nuba | here's the reply from web@freenode.net re: link to webgui missing on freenode's website: http://sial.org/pbot/26170 | 10:24 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning! | 16:06 |
| @rizen | Nooooooooooooooo! | 17:01 |
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| perlmonkey2 | rizen: I've got bad news and worse news. The bad news if I haven't started. The worse news is my project milestone has been pushed back to the middle of next week. So I won't start having, what normal people call, downtime until the middle of next week where I can start on the new survey system. Yes, I am a luser. | 17:15 |
| @rizen | that's horrible and terrible news | 17:16 |
| perlmonkey2 | 7.4 is released on the 20th, right? | 17:21 |
| @rizen | yes | 17:47 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Does WebGUI have any way of accepting/managing payments? | 20:57 |
| @preaction | the Commerce module, currently "beta" | 20:59 |
| @preaction | you can build plugins for payment gateways, currently comes with an Itransact gateway | 20:59 |
| @preaction | and i believe there's a community-contributed Paypal one, but don't quote me on that | 21:00 |
| @preaction | however, from what i hear Commerce is being completely re-written for 8.0, and done right | 21:00 |
| perlmonkey2 | 8.0? When is 8.0 coming out? | 21:03 |
| @preaction | probably quite a while from now | 21:08 |
| @preaction | we've gone from 7.1 to 7.4 in the last 10 months of my tenure here, so i'd assume late next year at the very earliest, but that's just idle speculation | 21:09 |
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| Khaytsus | Goes fairly fast.. I missed about 12 updates in 3 months it seemeed when I last updated. | 21:26 |
| Khaytsus | Ad I think I am behind again :) | 21:29 |
| Khaytsus | Yep, one release.. But no biggie, I'll wait. It upgradesnicely anyway. | 21:39 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I don't want this to sound like a criticism, because it is an honest question, but why does WebGUI need to be installed in the root directory (I've installed it elsewhere, but I had to change hard coded paths in code). | 01:34 |
| +perlDreamer | it's just the convention | 01:35 |
| @preaction | it's easier to manage. it'd be possible to make the directory configurable, but nobody's done it yet (and i don't know if JT would authorize it) | 01:35 |
| perlmonkey2 | Good, I like it. I'm documenting my app for delievery, and I'm looking for reasons as to why I force them into installing it in the root directory. | 01:36 |
| perlmonkey2 | And since I'm already being a nusance, can someone point me at the svn URL? I need to grab the latest. | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | latest, like 7.4 or latest version of 7.3? | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm pretty sure it's on the wiki | 01:38 |
| perlmonkey2 | Okay, I'll check there, thanks. | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | that has the SVN URL, which is HEAD, which is 7.4 | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | a copy of 7.3 would be found in https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/WebGUI_7.3 | 01:40 |
| perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: Cool thanks. But if I'm going to try to write something for 7.4 release, shouldn't I be using the 7.4 code base? | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, but it isn't stable | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | use at your own risk | 01:41 |
| perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: Unless someone is working on a new survey system that happens to use my test namespace, I should be fine :) | 01:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/webgui-releases-and-svn-revision-numbers | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Anyone know why the table feature is disabled in the Wiki? | 01:48 |
| @preaction | probably because it's just using the Post Rich Editor, which has tables disabled | 01:50 |
| @preaction | you could configure it differently, of course | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | or you could flip into HTML mode and enter it directly, too ;) | 01:51 |
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| @preaction | should admins be automatically in the Visitors group? | 03:46 |
| +Radix-wrk | aren't admins by definition in every group | 03:50 |
| @preaction | yes, but visitors group is only visitors, no? | 03:54 |
| @preaction | i mean, in the code, there doesn't seem to be an automatic admins <-> visitors relationship | 03:54 |
| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. visitors may be the exception really.. and kinda makes sense | 03:56 |
| +Radix-wrk | there's probably a fair bit of "if not visitor" code around | 03:57 |
| @preaction | exactly | 03:59 |
| @preaction | but if not visitor = registered user | 03:59 |
| @preaction | that's probably better to do | 03:59 |
| @preaction | unf, better | 04:02 |
| @preaction | fixed that bug | 04:02 |
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| +crythia1 | heya | 04:41 |
| +Radix-wrk | howdy stranger | 04:42 |
| +crythia1 | images as assets/attachments? | 04:42 |
| +Radix-wrk | yes? | 04:43 |
| +crythia1 | has a concensus been made? | 04:43 |
| +Radix-wrk | I must have missed the discussion - not sure what you're talking about :) | 04:44 |
| +crythia1 | dev | 04:44 |
| +crythia1 | dev list thing | 04:44 |
| +Radix-wrk | Ahh.. I see the thread | 04:46 |
| +Radix-wrk | I'm with the asset crowd | 04:46 |
| @preaction | crythia1: the discussion is the dev list, this is more quick one-on-one. for long-term project goals and stuff that needs all the community involved, that's the dev list | 04:46 |
| @preaction | reply so JT knows what the community wants | 04:46 |
| +Radix-wrk | I still want images inserted into through the html editor to link to the asset, not the image too. | 04:47 |
| +Radix-wrk | Was just thinking of adding that as an RFE again | 04:47 |
| @preaction | i'm more towards storing JSON objects in the database with more information about attachments | 04:47 |
| +crythia1 | well, yeah i just wanted to know if anything was hashed out here | 04:47 |
| +crythia1 | why can't things be hybrids? | 04:49 |
| +crythia1 | hee | 04:49 |
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| +crythia1 | they're attached but they can be referenced either as an attachment or asset, depending what you want to do with them. | 04:50 |
| +crythia1 | meh | 04:54 |
| +crythia1 | ttfn | 04:54 |
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| * Radix-wrk adds a new RFE and waits for JT to say he hates it. | 05:22 | |
| * diakopter says JT hates it, for him. | 05:31 | |
| diakopter | (j/k; I haven't even looked at the rfe) | 05:31 |
| perlmonkey2 | Is there a standard object for use to communicate with Ajaxified pages? | 05:37 |
| @preaction | nope, unless you want httpproxy | 05:40 |
| perlmonkey2 | Or would you just use the standard www_ calls and have the ajax handle the results? | 05:40 |
| perlmonkey2 | Which probably means a framework of objects on the ajax side shoudl be developed with YUI. | 05:41 |
| @preaction | that's what i do, usually i call them www_ajax* | 05:41 |
| perlmonkey2 | preaction: cool. | 05:41 |
| @preaction | and that's underway too, in www/extras/yui-webgui | 05:41 |
| perlmonkey2 | you guys think of everything :) | 05:41 |
| @preaction | not everything, but a lot | 05:42 |
| Khaytsus | I should try the project management and wiki.. I haven't yet | 06:12 |
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| * Radix-wrk just uploaded a Lightbox2 webgui package to webgui.org for anyone interested. | 06:20 | |
| Khaytsus | What would that be? | 06:24 |
| Khaytsus | Project Management is a little klunky, but usable mostly | 06:26 |
| @preaction | yeah, that one needs to be redone | 06:26 |
| +Radix-wrk | http://www.webgui.org/user_contributions/user_contributions/packages/lightbox2-template-package | 06:27 |
| +Radix-wrk | Just added a link to my test page showing examples of it's use | 06:27 |
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| Khaytsus | That's pretty cool | 06:29 |
| Khaytsus | I have been meaning to put a limited photo album in mine, but have yet to do it | 06:29 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah, that's what I thought, so I got it to work in webgui :) | 06:30 |
| Khaytsus | heh | 06:30 |
| Khaytsus | So you're a webgui consultant? Interesting. | 06:30 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah, just starting it up as a business really. | 06:31 |
| +Radix-wrk | just a sideline afterhours really | 06:31 |
| Khaytsus | ah, gotcha.. WebGUI is a good platform. I use about 2% of it I think ;-) | 06:32 |
| Khaytsus | Man I know I'm a complete tard, but I'm not even sure how to start a WIki page.. Guess I'll try editing the content with some standard wiki stuff and see what happens.. | 06:33 |
| +Radix-wrk | you have to search for something before it'll let you add new | 06:37 |
| Khaytsus | oh, doh.. That's a shortcut to it in TWiki, didn't think about that. | 06:38 |
| Khaytsus | I always make a WikiWord so it's not orphaned | 06:38 |
| Khaytsus | That's a little unclear... | 06:38 |
| +Radix-wrk | I happen to agree :) | 06:39 |
| Khaytsus | And the WikiWord links are... odd | 06:42 |
| Khaytsus | ThisWord, the link is Word | 06:42 |
| Khaytsus | I'll have to try that template tommorrow, neat stuff | 06:47 |
| Khaytsus | Hey, that was easy ;-) | 06:56 |
| Khaytsus | I need to resize the images, ahem :) | 06:56 |
| Khaytsus | Be nice if I could figure out how to display all the images directly, rather than in an album below the main page. | 07:00 |
| Khaytsus | I must be missing something :) | 07:01 |
| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. not sure how you'd do that, but it might be possible | 07:07 |
| +Radix-wrk | the images are attached to a thread - and essentially you're viewing a thread when you click on an album | 07:07 |
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| @preaction | would it be prudent for a feature to make links? i mean everything else can be handled by the HTML editor, but perhaps let [[WikiWord]] be a wiki link? | 07:27 |
| @preaction | that would probably make things a lot better for the wiki | 07:27 |
| @preaction | that and adding Category pages | 07:27 |
| @preaction | or Tag pages | 07:27 |
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| @rizen | tags are in | 08:14 |
| @rizen | added it to 7.4 | 08:14 |
| @rizen | as far as making links, i'd prefer that stuff only gets automagically linked or hand linked. i don't like wikis that link to pages that don't exist | 08:15 |
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| Khaytsus | I personally prefer to make preferences to WikiWords that I plan on defining, then defining them. Yes, I doo hate when those WikiWords don't get defined, but at least the template is there. | 13:39 |
| Khaytsus | That's always how I create pages in TWiki myself; fill in content and WikiWords as I go along, then go in and fill in each of the WikiWords content. | 13:40 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings! | 15:44 |
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| jdan | Hi everybody. I'm new to WebGUI 7, but very familiar with WebGUI 5. I am looking form document which describe how to testing new Perl modules. The problem is that I have to restart Apache every time I change source. Could someone point me any solution how to set my environment? | 17:22 |
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| Radix__ | jdan: is this what you're looking for? http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/configure-the-wre-for-developers | 17:46 |
| Radix__ | http://www.webgui.org/webgui/dev/discuss/stop--start/6 - this topic has more info as well on how to configure Apache2::Reload | 17:48 |
| jdan | Radix__: Almost. I don't use WRE. So I am trying configure my Apache2 to work with Apache2::Reload. Unfortunately I don't know how to set WebGUI path to @INC in config | 17:49 |
| Radix__ | Check out that second topic then | 17:50 |
| Radix__ | IMHO if you're not using the WRE then you're shooting yourself in the foot from the get-go ;) | 17:50 |
| Radix__ | Good luck! :) | 17:51 |
| * Radix__ wanders off to bed. | 17:51 | |
| jdan | ok, I will install WRE on my Debian. | 17:52 |
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| jdan | Radix__: I found solution. I added "PerlSwitches -Ipath-to-webgui_lib" and Apache2 reload modules if it is changed | 18:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | I need a cross platform check on a test that's failing. | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Does anyone have 5 minutes to run a test for me on their system? | 21:17 |
| @rizen | i have osx ppc, will that work? | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | sure. | 21:21 |
| @rizen | and i only have 7.4 set up right now...can i use that? | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes. | 21:21 |
| @rizen | ok then | 21:21 |
| @rizen | what do you need? | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | export WEBGUI_CONFIG=/data/WebGUI/etc/rizens.conf | 21:22 |
| @rizen | done | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | cd /data/WebGUI/t | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | perl Macro/FetchMimeType.t | 21:22 |
| @rizen | should i update to latest? | 21:22 |
| @rizen | i'm probably a few hours behind | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | It won't matter | 21:22 |
| @rizen | k | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | Does the test pass? | 21:23 |
| @rizen | running | 21:23 |
| @rizen | no | 21:23 |
| @rizen | 1..7 | 21:23 |
| @rizen | ok 1 - use WebGUI::Macro::FetchMimeType; | 21:23 |
| @rizen | ok 2 - gif | 21:23 |
| @rizen | ok 3 - jpeg | 21:23 |
| @rizen | not ok 4 - plain text | 21:23 |
| @rizen | # Failed test 'plain text' | 21:23 |
| @rizen | # in Macro/FetchMimeType.t at line 73. | 21:23 |
| @rizen | # got: 'application/octet-stream' | 21:23 |
| @rizen | # expected: 'text/plain' | 21:23 |
| @rizen | ok 5 - octet-stream for unknown type | 21:23 |
| @rizen | ok 6 - Null path returns application/octet-stream | 21:23 |
| @rizen | ok 7 - Undef path returns undef | 21:23 |
| @rizen | # Looks like you failed 1 test of 7. | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | weird | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | It looks like javascript files are handled differently than they have been in the past. | 21:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll update the test. | 21:24 |
| +perlDreamer | The test suite caught two fatal bugs today, so now I'm doing other triage. | 21:25 |
| @rizen | cool | 21:26 |
| +perlDreamer | 13788 tests run, all clean | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll run the CODE_COP tests later, too | 21:42 |
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| Khaytsus | Hmmmm, how does one convert an article into a thread? I was thinking I saw a way to do that once. I have a handful of articles that I now want to put into a collaboration system (Topics template0 | 01:40 |
| Khaytsus | Copy and paste I suppose... I tried just moving them into the Collaboration System under Manage, but that didn't do much :) | 01:40 |
| @rizen | copy and paste the content | 01:40 |
| Khaytsus | k, I figured that was gonna be the asnwer. | 01:40 |
| @rizen | if it were more than a handful, it may be useful to write a program to do it | 01:41 |
| @rizen | but in this case..not really | 01:41 |
| Khaytsus | Nah, not too many | 01:41 |
| Khaytsus | Just figured I might be missing something | 01:42 |
| Khaytsus | Thanks :) | 01:42 |
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| +Radix_ | preaction: what's with the multiple personalities? :) ie. DBell and preaction on the forums | 02:21 |
| @preaction | apparently "alias" isn't good enough for some parts of WebGUI | 02:23 |
| @preaction | i imagine i'll go into the db and change my username someday | 02:23 |
| +Radix_ | heh | 02:23 |
| +Radix_ | Alias works - but each thread post must embed the name used or something | 02:25 |
| +Radix_ | http://www.webgui.org/install/upgrade_help/installing-webgui-7_3_19-problem/5#idALwBgIblIekyP2AiAldqOA | 02:25 |
| +Radix_ | your first reply is listed as DBell, then the second is preaction | 02:25 |
| +Radix_ | same userid each time tho | 02:25 |
| @preaction | yeah, between there i changed my alias | 02:25 |
| @preaction | (the original alias defaults to username) | 02:26 |
| +Radix_ | do you know if a 7.3.21 is planned at all? | 02:30 |
| @preaction | i think it is, i think there'll be one more stable release before 7.4 | 02:32 |
| +Radix_ | if you get a chance, could you roll this one line change into it? - http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/left-admin-bar-overlap-problem | 02:32 |
| @preaction | but 7.4 was pushed back, so there might be another | 02:32 |
| +Radix_ | it was posted a while back, but I don't think anyone noticed | 02:33 |
| @preaction | it was just a damned specificity problem? | 02:33 |
| +Radix_ | just z-index wasn't set for the right object | 02:33 |
| +Radix_ | or rather was set in wrong css tag | 02:33 |
| @preaction | .slidePanel and #slidePanel refer to the same thing (in theory), but classes are "less specific" than IDs, which assigns them less weight to the cascade, so z-index: 100; becomes more important | 02:34 |
| @preaction | i'll put this on my to-do list | 02:34 |
| +Radix_ | no, .slidepanel is included only if class="slidepanel", #slidepanel is only included if id="slidepanel" | 02:35 |
| +Radix_ | cheers anyway | 02:36 |
| * Radix_ heads off to work. | 02:38 | |
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| @rizen | radix, yes there will be a 7.3.21 release | 03:08 |
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| perlmonkey2 | rizen: (Concerning the survey) Since a lot of survey's are eventually exported either into number crunchers like SPSS, or to reporting applications, could we add a way to assign user defined variable names to each question, and then an export option which would transpose the results with the columns labeled with the user defined variable names? | 03:56 |
| @rizen | can you do it in such a way that doesn't make the export system difficult to use? | 03:57 |
| +Radix-wrk | Why not just use webgui to display the results? | 03:57 |
| @rizen | cuz a lot of people just want to export to a spreadsheet or something | 03:57 |
| perlmonkey2 | rizen: definetly, I'd make the user defined variable names optional and just another column in the question table, not used until the user exports as TAB TRANSPOSED or something. | 03:58 |
| @rizen | i'm all for making the system better | 03:59 |
| @rizen | so sure | 03:59 |
| perlmonkey2 | groovy | 03:59 |
| perlmonkey2 | by-the-by, the new (I guess it is new) youtube vid is pretty slick. Nice graphics and voice over. | 04:00 |
| @rizen | it's actually been on our site for 6 months | 04:02 |
| @rizen | but the reorg of our site brought it front and center | 04:02 |
| @rizen | thanks | 04:02 |
| perlmonkey2 | I usually look at your site from work where I'm running 64 bit fedora ie no Flash. | 04:02 |
| +Radix-wrk | imho it's not wow enough - it's just a powerpoint slide with a voiceover | 04:03 |
| perlmonkey2 | For a FOSS project it's pretty frik'n major. | 04:03 |
| +Radix-wrk | that said, it's better than one I could make :) | 04:03 |
| @rizen | we're talking about a business productivity tool here...how wow can you get? | 04:04 |
| @rizen | it's not like we're doing 3d animation, or cutting off people's heads | 04:04 |
| @rizen | =) | 04:05 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Okay, I'm an idiot, and not afraid to admit it. On my fresh install of F7, I'm trying to creating a WebGUI instance from the svn latest. But I'm missing jpg's and the admin bar won't appear. I'm positive this has to do with permissions, but I've given apache the golden key to everything. | 04:44 |
| perlmonkey2 | Is someone working on the workflow? | 05:06 |
| perlmonkey2 | "Root cause: Unknown column 'mode' in 'where clause'" | 05:06 |
| @rizen | yes i made some changes to workflow | 05:08 |
| @rizen | you need to run the upgrade | 05:08 |
| perlmonkey2 | running the upgrade didn't work. "NO UPGRADES NECESSARY". Is there a way to force it? | 05:16 |
| @rizen | what version is your database? | 05:17 |
| perlmonkey2 | crap | 05:17 |
| @rizen | this is just a dev instance right? | 05:17 |
| perlmonkey2 | no, the database should be the latest. | 05:17 |
| perlmonkey2 | correct | 05:17 |
| @rizen | ok then do this | 05:17 |
| perlmonkey2 | I recreated the database after svn update | 05:17 |
| @rizen | mysql -e "drop database dbname; create database dbname" | 05:18 |
| @rizen | mysql dbname < /data/WebGUI/docs/previousVersion.sql | 05:18 |
| @rizen | cd /data/WebGUI/sbin | 05:18 |
| @rizen | perl upgrade.pl | 05:18 |
| perlmonkey2 | ic....cool, thanks. | 05:18 |
| @rizen | if you do that, then you'll be all good | 05:18 |
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| @rizen | i usually create a script to do that among other things | 05:19 |
| @rizen | cuz i screw up my database a lot while developing | 05:19 |
| @rizen | you may want to consider making one too | 05:19 |
| perlmonkey2 | Good idea, I'll do that. | 05:19 |
| @rizen | if you want, i can give you my script | 05:20 |
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| perlmonkey2 | That would be even better. | 05:21 |
| @rizen | http://rafb.net/p/tL6yRZ40.html | 05:25 |
| perlmonkey2 | Thanks | 05:26 |
| @rizen | np | 05:26 |
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| Leon | any one here ? | 10:01 |
| +Radix-wrk | Yup | 10:03 |
| Leon | is this a help channel or what ? hehe | 10:03 |
| +Radix-wrk | To a certain extent.. if we can help anyway :) | 10:03 |
| Leon | hehe... | 10:03 |
| Leon | listen then.. maybe you can | 10:03 |
| Leon | i installed webgui 7.3.19 yest.. | 10:03 |
| Leon | but having a problem with images, and can't get the idea of what the problem can be as i tried all permisions.. | 10:04 |
| Leon | www.ecwdp.com | 10:04 |
| +Radix-wrk | Checked your webgui logs? | 10:04 |
| Leon | can it be a problem with spectre ? | 10:05 |
| +Radix-wrk | perlbot paste | 10:05 |
| perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. | 10:05 |
| +Radix-wrk | paste a copy of your webgui.log in using one of those sites and let me know the url you get. | 10:06 |
| +Radix-wrk | I reckon your permissions are setup wrong though at a guess | 10:06 |
| +Radix-wrk | you have to ensure that the entire uploads folder is chown to nobody:nobody | 10:07 |
| Leon | http://sial.org/pbot/26233 | 10:07 |
| Leon | yep nobody.nobody | 10:07 |
| +Radix-wrk | and what is apache set to run under? | 10:08 |
| +Radix-wrk | most distro's use nobody, but perhaps it's using something different? | 10:08 |
| +Radix-wrk | www or something maybe | 10:08 |
| Leon | i setted up apache to run as nobody.nobody | 10:08 |
| Leon | # User/Group: The name (or #number) of the user/group to run httpd as. | 10:09 |
| Leon | # It is usually good practice to create a dedicated user and group for | 10:09 |
| Leon | # running httpd, as with most system services. | 10:09 |
| Leon | # | 10:09 |
| Leon | User nobody | 10:09 |
| Leon | Group nobody | 10:09 |
| Leon | </IfModule> | 10:09 |
| Leon | i have 2 apaches running on the same machine.. | 10:10 |
| +Radix-wrk | and what are the permissions on that file/dir? | 10:10 |
| Leon | apache1 and apache2 | 10:10 |
| +Radix-wrk | on the /home/WebGUI/www/ one | 10:10 |
| Leon | tried with 600, 666, 755, 775 | 10:10 |
| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. wierd | 10:10 |
| Leon | yeah i can't get the idea of what the problem is :/ | 10:11 |
| Leon | can it be a problem with spectre ? | 10:11 |
| +Radix-wrk | no, doesn't look like it's getting that far | 10:11 |
| +Radix-wrk | WebGUI is trying to simply store the files on the disk, and it's failing to create the directories at all | 10:11 |
| +Radix-wrk | what distro are you using? | 10:12 |
| Leon | red hat enterprise 4 | 10:12 |
| +Radix-wrk | and where did you get the apache from? yum or the cd itself? | 10:12 |
| Leon | and apache 2.2.4 | 10:12 |
| Leon | from apache's website | 10:13 |
| +Radix-wrk | Oh.. so you compiled it yourself? | 10:13 |
| Leon | yep | 10:13 |
| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. | 10:13 |
| +Radix-wrk | Are you sure it's using the apache.conf that you think it is? | 10:13 |
| Leon | the httpd.conf you mean ? | 10:14 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah | 10:14 |
| Leon | yeah apache1 and apache2 are running on different ip's | 10:14 |
| +Radix-wrk | using two separate copies of apache? | 10:14 |
| Leon | yes | 10:15 |
| Leon | cpanel only works with apache1 atm | 10:15 |
| +Radix-wrk | could the webgui apache be using the httpd.conf from the other apache setup? | 10:15 |
| Leon | no i don't think so.. | 10:16 |
| Leon | because there isn't the setup of mod_perl on the apache1 | 10:17 |
| Leon | and i have another server with same setup... i have webgui 5.2.12 on it | 10:17 |
| Leon | it works fine | 10:17 |
| +Radix-wrk | Hmm... | 10:18 |
| +Radix-wrk | When you dumped the module config before from your httpd.conf - you said "<Leon> </IfModule>" at the end | 10:18 |
| +Radix-wrk | what module was that? | 10:19 |
| Leon | aha | 10:19 |
| Leon | <IfModule !mpm_netware_module> | 10:19 |
| +Radix-wrk | err.. | 10:20 |
| Leon | apache kemm with it.. | 10:20 |
| +Radix-wrk | user and group shouldn't need to be defined inside a ifmodule tag | 10:20 |
| Leon | *came | 10:20 |
| Leon | i tried to make them outside the tag | 10:21 |
| Leon | but the start | 10:21 |
| Leon | *didn't | 10:21 |
| * Radix-wrk applies his language parser to the above few lines and tries to make head or tail of its meaning. | 10:23 | |
| Leon | lol | 10:23 |
| Leon | i tried defining the user and group outside the ifmodule tag.. | 10:24 |
| Leon | but then apache didn't start | 10:24 |
| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. that's odd | 10:24 |
| +Radix-wrk | Any particular reason why you didn't just use the wre? | 10:24 |
| Leon | hmm no i don't think so.. | 10:25 |
| Leon | wre if i have perl already installed it will skip it or ? | 10:25 |
| +Radix-wrk | the WRE is complete by itself | 10:25 |
| Leon | so it won't clash with already installed? | 10:26 |
| +Radix-wrk | Good question | 10:26 |
| Leon | hehe | 10:26 |
| +Radix-wrk | ideally no, though I know the wre mysql will be overridden if you already have one | 10:27 |
| +Radix-wrk | it comes with a compiled and optimised apache/modperl/modproxy setup | 10:27 |
| +Radix-wrk | and some very nifty scripts for adding sites, etc | 10:27 |
| Leon | hmm.. | 10:27 |
| +Radix-wrk | it's also the recommended way of installing Webgui | 10:27 |
| +Radix-wrk | WebGUI relies on a lot of perl scripts, and the ones in cpan aren't always the best ones to use | 10:28 |
| Leon | hehe.. i installed the 5.2.12 without wre and thought 7.3.19 would be something simimalr | 10:28 |
| Leon | what was that of mysql thing ? | 10:28 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah, the 5.x series was a lot easier to install, webgui has grown heaps since then, but also added a lot more perl modules | 10:29 |
| +Radix-wrk | the WRE makes all that so much easier to manage | 10:29 |
| Leon | i'll try it off.. | 10:29 |
| Leon | it won't earase my databases right ? | 10:29 |
| +Radix-wrk | yikes, I should hope not :) | 10:30 |
| Leon | i hope so.. | 10:30 |
| Leon | lol | 10:30 |
| +Radix-wrk | that said, always make a backup! | 10:30 |
| Leon | i'll try it off.. | 10:31 |
| Leon | thanks for your help :) | 10:31 |
| +Radix-wrk | np | 10:31 |
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| Leon | any one can help ? | 11:58 |
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| Khaytsus | I haven't tried the WRE, as I didn't want to dedicate the whole server to webgui. I have other cgi's, php, etc, running on the box. Perhaps there's a way to coexist or have the WRE use the existing httpd. | 14:07 |
| Khaytsus | (Just a statement... :) | 14:07 |
| Khaytsus | I wonder if 7.x has gotten more difficul to install.. 6.8 wasn't too bad, but it took a heck of a lot of compiling modules (some of which would compile on their own, some I had to compile... which was odd) | 14:08 |
| pjesi | Khaytsus: they are coexisting over here | 14:59 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning. | 15:36 |
| Khaytsus | pjesi: I'll have to try it, I read it as they wouldn't. | 15:53 |
| pjesi | my setup is basically WRE + normal http | 16:09 |
| pjesi | I use the mod_proxy in the WRE to serve requests to the regualr http | 16:09 |
| pjesi | mod_proxy on 80, mod_perl on 81, and then the distro http with whatever php and stuff on other port | 16:10 |
| jdan | Hey, how $self->session->form->process works? I can't found 'process' subroutine. I have to view it to learn how it works. | 16:28 |
| jdan | Definitely I don't know how WebGUI::Form inherit process subroutine | 16:31 |
| pjesi | SDuensin: you in #eclipse? :P | 16:43 |
| SDuensin | Yep. I'm losing a battle with it and seriously need help. | 16:45 |
| pjesi | sorry I have not had that usecase for it | 16:48 |
| SDuensin | I have, and it's a serious issue. :-( | 16:55 |
| pjesi | what are you using eclipse for? | 16:59 |
| SDuensin | My ZK Desktop project. | 17:00 |
| pjesi | are you using Europa? | 17:01 |
| SDuensin | Yea | 17:01 |
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| jdan | Sorry for my foolish question. I mistaked WebGUI::Form with WebGUI::Session::Form. Ech | 17:17 |
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| wenzu | anyone here ? | 18:56 |
| @preaction | yes'm | 18:57 |
| wenzu | what does the commit changes does in webgui ? | 18:57 |
| wenzu | i'm used with old webgui and can't figure out how to change style in the new one | 18:57 |
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| @preaction | when you change an asset, you create a new Revision of that asset. that revision is marked as "pending" until it's committed (when it's marked as "approved") | 18:58 |
| @preaction | the latest version of an approved asset is the one that appears, unless you have your own pending version (are working under your own version tag) | 18:59 |
| wenzu | couse before i created my own style... done it in webgui and everything.. and i was seeing it logged in.. when i logged out everything was gone.. | 19:00 |
| @preaction | because you did not commit your version tag | 19:00 |
| wenzu | so.. i'll create a version tag.. | 19:01 |
| wenzu | do everything, and then commit ? | 19:01 |
| @preaction | they're created automatically | 19:01 |
| wenzu | and what things come locked ? | 19:02 |
| wenzu | *why | 19:02 |
| @preaction | because they're being edited under a different version tag | 19:03 |
| wenzu | ah ic | 19:03 |
| @preaction | (incidentally, this and more is all explained in the Content Manager's Guide from Plain Black) | 19:03 |
| wenzu | so my main problem are the version tags | 19:03 |
| wenzu | hehe | 19:03 |
| wenzu | ah shi... | 19:04 |
| wenzu | i was only looking at webgui.org | 19:04 |
| @preaction | i'm an employee at plainblack, gotta push the product (especially when it answers so many questions) | 19:06 |
| wenzu | didn't release how much webgui changed from my old 5.1.12 | 19:07 |
| wenzu | totally different | 19:07 |
| @rizen | once you get used to it, i think you'll find that it may be totally different, but it's totally better | 19:08 |
| @preaction | yeah, hopefully people start coming out from the 5.x/6.x rock | 19:08 |
| wenzu | i'll just press commit my changes and thats all ? | 19:13 |
| @preaction | the comment page will pop up and request you insert a comment, but that's optional, and then "save" and then spectre will do the commit, usually in a few seconds | 19:14 |
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| wenzu | sorry i'm going to annoy you... | 19:18 |
| wenzu | i created a folder.. commited changes.. and folder isn't there | 19:19 |
| @rizen | is this on a custom server or on demo.webgui.org? | 19:20 |
| wenzu | custom | 19:20 |
| @rizen | are you sure you have spectre set up correctly? | 19:20 |
| @rizen | log in to your server | 19:20 |
| @rizen | and type | 19:20 |
| @rizen | cd /data/WebGUI/sbin | 19:20 |
| wenzu | aha | 19:20 |
| @rizen | perl spectre.pl --test | 19:20 |
| @rizen | spectre is the workflow governor | 19:21 |
| @rizen | you can't commit changes without it | 19:21 |
| wenzu | ah shit | 19:21 |
| wenzu | ERROR: Spectre cannot communicate with WebGUI. Perhaps you need to adjust the spectreSubnets setting in this config file: | 19:21 |
| @rizen | *ding* - we have a winner | 19:22 |
| @rizen | =) | 19:22 |
| wenzu | lol | 19:22 |
| wenzu | this webgui is making me mad | 19:23 |
| @rizen | don't be mad | 19:23 |
| @rizen | you have to have some faith...once you get it up and running, you're going to love 7.x | 19:23 |
| @rizen | and not know how you ever even survived with 5.x | 19:23 |
| wenzu | hehe | 19:23 |
| @rizen | i quite literally hear that all the time | 19:24 |
| @rizen | people always hate 7 if they've used 5 | 19:24 |
| @rizen | but then they get used to it | 19:24 |
| @rizen | and can't imagine how they ever used 5 | 19:24 |
| wenzu | 5 is nice and easy :P | 19:24 |
| @rizen | you say that now | 19:24 |
| @rizen | i'll talk to you at the beginning of august | 19:25 |
| @rizen | after you've been using 7 for a bit | 19:25 |
| wenzu | and easy too install too :P | 19:25 |
| @rizen | so is webgui 7 | 19:25 |
| @rizen | if you do it following the instructions | 19:25 |
| @rizen | meaning use the WRE | 19:25 |
| wenzu | i did | 19:25 |
| wenzu | but now i got this error in spectre | 19:25 |
| @rizen | did you answer the question about subnets correctly when you installed the WRE? | 19:26 |
| wenzu | i guess yes | 19:27 |
| @rizen | edit your webgui config | 19:27 |
| wenzu | i can't see the subnet setting in spectre.conf :/ | 19:27 |
| @rizen | look for spectreSubnets | 19:27 |
| @rizen | it's not in there it's in the webgui config | 19:27 |
| @rizen | make sure it looks like | 19:28 |
| wenzu | ah this is strange... i only have WebGUI.conf.original | 19:28 |
| SDuensin | wenzu - I was a huge fan of 5.x and never went to 6. After 7 "clicks" with you, 5 looks downright primitive. It's fantastic. | 19:28 |
| SDuensin | (Hi rizen) | 19:28 |
| @rizen | "spectreSubnets" : ["127.0.0.1/32", "1.1.1.1/32"], | 19:28 |
| @rizen | where 1.1.1.1 is replaced with your server's IP | 19:28 |
| @rizen | howdy SD | 19:29 |
| wenzu | i only have WebGUI.conf.original | 19:29 |
| wenzu | strange eh ? | 19:29 |
| @rizen | you should also have | 19:29 |
| @rizen | www.yoursite.com.conf | 19:29 |
| @rizen | that's your webgui config | 19:29 |
| wenzu | a ok | 19:29 |
| SDuensin | rizen - Totally off topic, but I shipped a HUGE update to the ZK Desktop. The new super-duper Wonder Grid CRUD tool is in! | 19:30 |
| @rizen | ZK Desktop is only for doobie smokers and crank yankers | 19:30 |
| @rizen | WebGUI Desktop is where it's at | 19:30 |
| @rizen | =) | 19:30 |
| @rizen | thanks for the heads up SD, i'll have to get a download | 19:31 |
| SDuensin | Yea, and on that front, I did some reading about YUI + EXT today. Wow does that produce some awesome looking UIs. | 19:31 |
| @rizen | yeah YUI and Ext are amazing, they just aren't neat autogen frameworks like ZK is | 19:32 |
| @rizen | they have the super flexible, powerful, and well documented API's | 19:32 |
| @rizen | but it would be nice if they also had some prebuilt power tools like zk | 19:33 |
| @rizen | i suppose then | 19:33 |
| @rizen | they couldn't be server side neutral though | 19:33 |
| @rizen | which is why they don't do it | 19:33 |
| SDuensin | Like I said before, my whole reason for ZK was the server-side stuff. It's great not having to deal with the browser. | 19:33 |
| SDuensin | Yup. | 19:33 |
| wenzu | its ok now.. | 19:34 |
| wenzu | thanks rizen :) | 19:34 |
| wenzu | one other think.. | 19:34 |
| wenzu | can i edit something so that when i create a new site its config will be with the right subnet ? | 19:35 |
| @rizen | yes | 19:36 |
| @rizen | it's /data/wre/var/hoster.arg.cache | 19:37 |
| @rizen | if you make it look like this then you'll be good: | 19:37 |
| @rizen | spectreSubnets:10.0.0.101/32, \ | 19:37 |
| @rizen | 127.0.0.1/32 | 19:37 |
| wenzu | k fixed :) | 19:37 |
| wenzu | ur the king of the swing | 19:38 |
| @rizen | use 7 for a month, then i dare you to tell me you still like 5 better than 7 | 19:38 |
| wenzu | hehe | 19:39 |
| @rizen | i say there's a 95% chance you won't be able to do it | 19:39 |
| wenzu | i hope so.. | 19:39 |
| wenzu | and is the adminbar a bit bugged or is mine a bit fu.... ? | 19:39 |
| SDuensin | 99% :-) | 19:39 |
| wenzu | ah i think the "bug" was the spectre lol | 19:40 |
| wenzu | ok this is far better now working fine :) | 19:41 |
| wenzu | let me take the opportunity and ask another thing that i didn't find on 5.. | 19:42 |
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| wenzu | can i make like a page in the style lets say.. on the right hand side of the website.. and it will be updateable.. | 19:42 |
| wenzu | bot a template with the numbers like 5 was.. i want it in every page and updateable | 19:43 |
| wenzu | *not | 19:43 |
| SDuensin | Same thing on each page? | 19:43 |
| wenzu | yes | 19:43 |
| SDuensin | Shortcuts! | 19:43 |
| SDuensin | You can make a shortcut of an asset and paste it elsewhere on the site. | 19:44 |
| SDuensin | Or include the asset in the style with a macro. | 19:44 |
| wenzu | hmm | 19:44 |
| wenzu | i'll try that | 19:44 |
| wenzu | cheers :) | 19:45 |
| SDuensin | Enjoy! | 19:45 |
| wenzu | i'll do | 19:46 |
| wenzu | its surely faster eh | 19:47 |
| @rizen | Read the wiki about the ^AssetProxy(); macr | 19:48 |
| @rizen | macro | 19:48 |
| wenzu | thanks again :) | 19:48 |
| wenzu | very helpfull guys | 19:48 |
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| ckotil | anyone hear of cosign integration into webgui? | 20:52 |
| ckotil | its another sso solution. | 20:52 |
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| @rizen | i heard it when you said it on irc last week | 21:00 |
| @rizen | =) | 21:00 |
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| ckotil | yah, i said we were thinking about moving to cosign | 21:16 |
| ckotil | we have development cosign servers up and running. | 21:17 |
| ckotil | its going to be a breeze to switch everything to cosign, and since it has a kerberos backend. the change will not be very drastic, only a cosmetic change to our users. | 21:17 |
| ckotil | but, so far we havent figured out an elegant solution to make a pluggable authentication module for webgui. | 21:18 |
| @preaction | what's the backend? are there command-line authorization scripts? are there Perl modules for authentication or perhaps something you can use with Inline::* modules? | 22:18 |
| ckotil | its perl. | 22:24 |
| ckotil | dunno about using modules with it. | 22:24 |
| @preaction | if it's written in Perl it should be trivial to build an auth module against it (or at least not exceedingly difficult) | 22:26 |
| @preaction | this looks like C | 22:30 |
| ckotil | compiled cgi | 22:32 |
| ckotil | hrmm maybe the daemon IS c | 22:32 |
| ckotil | *3001#12345#* type this into your iPhones! | 22:32 |
| ckotil | 'field info' | 22:32 |
| ckotil | aka debug mode | 22:32 |
| @preaction | theoretically though wouldn't you use the cosign server to actually do the auth, and only use the WebGUI::Auth::Cosign to get a username from the cosign cookie? | 22:33 |
| @preaction | so you only really need to be able to read the cookie and get a webgui userId from it | 22:34 |
| ckotil | ah. | 22:34 |
| ckotil | yeah that sounds good. | 22:34 |
| ckotil | pretty much how CAS sso works. | 22:34 |
| @preaction | unfortunately, like most code that i get to read, nobody ever documents or comments, so since i don't really know C, this is a lot of gibberish | 22:34 |
| @preaction | but it looks like a cookie named "cosign" is created with two text strings separated by a / (one called "new_cookiebuf" and another called "tv.tv_sec") <- if you find out what those two things are, you can find out who's logged in and what's happening with it | 22:36 |
| @preaction | but it also seems that cosign requires SSL | 22:37 |
| @preaction | have you ever looked at Yadis / OpenID (or LID)? i know OpenID is written in Perl and would be easy to port to WebGUI | 22:39 |
| ckotil | we have not. | 22:41 |
| ckotil | so the problem we're going to run into with cosign is that it pretty mcuh requires webgui to be behind mod_cosign. | 22:42 |
| ckotil | which will be a problem. | 22:42 |
| ckotil | and you cannot remotley check on teh cosigns cookie. | 22:42 |
| @preaction | i dunno, it seems that cosign serves central auth. there must be a remote interface for apps to verify auth | 22:43 |
| ckotil | they have these things called filters. | 22:44 |
| ckotil | which allow for remote checking of the cookies. | 22:44 |
| ckotil | but supposedly they are a bi0tch to create. | 22:44 |
| ckotil | i have a more pressing issue. i upgraded to red hat 5, and now when i try to execute perl preload.perl it tries to run perl5.5.8 rather than 5.8.8 | 22:45 |
| ckotil | i ran into this when i first started using webgui, and i forgot how to fix it. | 22:46 |
| @preaction | what does ls -l /usr/bin/perl say? you might have to point /usr/bin/perl somewhere else | 22:46 |
| ckotil | ./usr/bin/perl | 22:46 |
| ckotil | and perl -v shows 5.8.8 | 22:52 |
| ckotil | my only guess is that APR or libapreq are majorly screwed up | 22:53 |
| @rizen | FYI: http://www.plainblack.com/news/news/webgui/perl-developer-position#lc7UqGyASnjmvbougzs8YQ | 22:55 |
| @rizen | FYI: http://www.plainblack.com/news/news/web-support-and-training-specialist | 22:56 |
| ckotil | rizen: scroll up and type that number into your iphone. | 22:57 |
| ckotil | via the phone keypad | 22:57 |
| @rizen | how do i get back out of that mode? | 22:57 |
| ckotil | home button. | 22:58 |
| ckotil | back out with the tabs. | 22:58 |
| ckotil | you're not stuck there or anything. | 22:58 |
| @rizen | cool | 22:59 |
| ckotil | ya, some witty developer can use this to triangulate your location | 22:59 |
| perlmonkey2 | I can answer the Perl dev questions pretty easy, but I'm morally obligated to continue at my current place. | 23:17 |
| perlmonkey2 | and '\r' are the devil. | 23:19 |
| perlmonkey2 | But wouldn't it be cool to work, like as a job, for WebGUI? | 23:20 |
| perlmonkey2 | document.getElementById("x").innerHTML implies x is a <div> right? | 23:23 |
| perlmonkey2 | My JS is rusty. | 23:23 |
| @preaction | i'm bound by desire to keep my body parts to not help you with that one :( | 23:23 |
| perlmonkey2 | discussing that probably defeats the purpose of it being on the job post, so I"ll go back to shutting up. | 23:23 |
| diakopter | perlmonkey: no, that doesn't assume x is a <div> | 23:44 |
| diakopter | perlmonkey2 I mean | 23:44 |
| @preaction | a note though: innerHTML, while supported by FF and IE (and maybe WebKit), is not W3C canon | 23:49 |
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| @rizen | preaction, shouldn't you be leaving soon? | 23:53 |
| @preaction | i've got an hour yet, yes | 23:54 |
| @preaction | if the durned bank didn't have a crisis over my ability to pay (and i didn't have to come up with an additional $750) i wouldn't be 5 hours behind today... i'm going to look like someone strung me out for a week... | 23:54 |
| perlmonkey2 | 1. I read up on innerhtml and while I only have exp. using it in the way I spoke, I was wrong. 2. I'm a jackarse for even talking about it, because this is a test for interviewers, and someone reading here could unfairly pass that hurdle. | 23:55 |
| ckotil | heh | 23:56 |
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| nuba | *sigh* >... US Citizen, and able to pass Federal security clearance. | 00:13 |
| nuba | poor us people, non-US people :/ | 00:14 |
| @rizen | poor plain black for not being able to hire non-us people | 00:17 |
| nuba | heh | 00:17 |
| nuba | you need a sister company, which then gets contracted by plainblack ;) | 00:18 |
| nuba | BlackPlain LCC | 00:20 |
| perlmonkey2 | BlainPlack | 00:20 |
| nuba | PainBlack, "for you painfull coding needs!" | 00:21 |
| nuba | -l | 00:21 |
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| @rizen | i'm afraid we still couldn't hire you | 00:30 |
| @rizen | for the same reasons | 00:30 |
| @rizen | or at least you couldn't work on government projects | 00:30 |
| @rizen | which we have a lot of | 00:30 |
| ckotil | heh | 00:40 |
| ckotil | anyone know how to remove things from @INC? | 00:40 |
| ckotil | ive got soo many paths to old perl versions | 00:40 |
| @rizen | shift | 00:41 |
| @rizen | pop | 00:41 |
| @rizen | poop | 00:41 |
| ckotil | but is that permanent? | 00:44 |
| ckotil | id rather not have to do it for every perl applicatiotn. | 00:44 |
| @rizen | no | 00:44 |
| @rizen | no idea where the permanent file is for that | 00:44 |
| ckotil | well, preload.perl seems to be the only thing that complains. | 00:44 |
| @rizen | try perlmonks | 00:44 |
| ckotil | ok ill just shift it out. | 00:44 |
| ckotil | thx | 00:44 |
| @rizen | i was kidding about shift | 00:45 |
| @rizen | i don't know if that will work or not | 00:45 |
| ckotil | might. | 00:45 |
| @rizen | might | 00:45 |
| ckotil | get this. my ihone had the shittiest battery out of all the iphones ive seen. theres 6 of them in my office. | 00:45 |
| @rizen | you're just lucky i guess | 00:45 |
| ckotil | i haev a loaner from apple while mine is in the shop. its going on 3 days straight with the factory charge. | 00:46 |
| @rizen | btw...are you ready to check in those triggers? | 00:46 |
| ckotil | i want to keep this phone... | 00:46 |
| ckotil | sort of. | 00:46 |
| ckotil | half anyway | 00:46 |
| ckotil | ill get you them tonight. | 00:46 |
| ckotil | sorry for slacking. | 00:48 |
| ckotil | heading home now. | 00:48 |
| perlmonkey2 | ckotil: I think you have to recompile and the consensus on #perl appears to agree. | 00:51 |
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| @khenn | diakopter: send me a PM on IM: FRANKLD75 | 03:01 |
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| wenzu | why is webgui showing wrong time ? | 11:31 |
| +Radix-wrk | your user profile has a timezone setting | 11:45 |
| +Radix-wrk | if you want to change the default timezone, then change the visitor account's timezone in their profile and all new users will then get that as the default | 11:46 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | Is there an SQL query that will tell you the name of the database that you're working on? | 19:24 |
| @preaction | that's a good question, might want to pop over to #mysql and see if they know (because i don't) | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | but preaction, you're my javascript/SQL/webtech goto guy... :) | 19:26 |
| @preaction | there are limits to even my knowledge :( | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | how did your talk go last night? | 19:26 |
| @preaction | my greatness lies in knowing those limits | 19:26 |
| @preaction | imho, C- | 19:26 |
| @preaction | i presented the data, i was woefully under-prepared, i had half the amount of materiel i should have had | 19:26 |
| @preaction | i did feel and work with the audience better than i anticipated | 19:27 |
| @preaction | and being my first presentation like that in about 3 years has rekindled all that knowledge from before when i could actually go up in front of people and move them | 19:28 |
| @preaction | so if i start now, i should have some good presentations for the WUC | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | that's actually some good motivation for me to get started, too | 19:28 |
| @preaction | also, this presentation was a lot of examples / hands-on sort of things (since perl one-liners is so easy to give examples for) | 19:29 |
| @preaction | the YUI talk i'm giving i can provide examples, but the splitting webgui sites one would be unlikely (which reminds me that's still theoretical, i haven't proven it works yet), and the upgrading webgui i can't really show examples of (since it might take time i don't have to waste) | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | Damian Conway has some modules that mockup real time displays of code executing. | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | That might help | 19:31 |
| @preaction | like as it runs the code it prints out the code that's running? | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | Like, it just spews out whatever you want so that you don't have to worry about delays or mistakes in realtime demos | 19:32 |
| @preaction | ah, so basically faking real scripts | 19:33 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 19:33 |
| @preaction | what is maintenance mode again? isn't it a special apache instance that runs in place of modperl while modperl is doing the upgrade tasks? | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | No, it throws up a splash screen and prevents db access. | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Check out WebGUI.pm | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | precation: SELECT DATABASE() | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | that probably only works in MySQL, though. | 19:43 |
| @preaction | there's a lot of stuff webgui does that only works in mysql now | 19:47 |
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| @rizen | pd: if it's for the core, then it's ok if it only works in mysql | 19:55 |
| @rizen | if it's supposed to work with the Database Link, then it has to be generic | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | It's for a test against the DSN from the webgui config file | 19:55 |
| @rizen | for example, if it's for SQL Report | 19:55 |
| @rizen | then it has to be generic | 19:55 |
| @rizen | that can be mysql specific | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | The big goal is the fixing of the SQLForm privileges bug | 19:57 |
| @preaction | to prevent messing with the WebGUI database? or just to give them a stern warning that they can (and probably will) screw up their system? | 19:57 |
| @rizen | SQLForm is mysql only | 19:57 |
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| perlmonkey2 | quiet here today. | 21:13 |
| SDuensin | Shhh | 21:15 |
| @preaction | it's so quiet i can't hear myself think! | 21:27 |
| SDuensin | Nice. The installation docs I'm writing have a link to the IMDB entry for "Aliens". How many enterprise software projects can claim that? | 21:36 |
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| perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: I think that needs an explanation (the aliens link). | 22:15 |
| SDuensin | The docs say that if you already have some of the tools installed and you just tweak them instead of following my instructions that the best thing to do is "...take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure." | 22:20 |
| SDuensin | I also have a section on the Care and Feeding of Your New IDE. | 22:20 |
| @rizenaway | care and feeding of your SD | 22:20 |
| SDuensin | Hey! You're supposed to be away! | 22:21 |
| @rizenaway | i'm here for 5 min | 22:21 |
| SDuensin | Oh yea. Sure. Just long enough to harass people. :-P | 22:21 |
| SDuensin | Hey, my boss in the next office is working with WebGUI. She's loving it. :-D | 22:21 |
| @rizenaway | bah...she'd like it better if she had webgui desktop | 22:47 |
| SDuensin | Well, she DOES love ZK Desktop. :-P | 22:48 |
| perlmonkey2 | WebGUI is going to be ported to ZKDesktop? | 23:38 |
| SDuensin | I wish. | 23:42 |
| SDuensin | rizenaway and I were talking about writing *another* desktop for it that doesn't rely on Java and Tomcat. | 23:43 |
| perlmonkey2 | Should wait for Perl 6 | 23:45 |
| SDuensin | Could be a long wait. | 23:45 |
| @preaction | which has turned into vaporware? | 23:45 |
| @preaction | will it be released before Duke Nukem Forever? | 23:46 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 23:46 |
| perlmonkey2 | I thought it was on schedule for December. | 23:46 |
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| @preaction | you mean "before christmas"? | 23:47 |
| @preaction | before christmas seems to be the Perl world's way of saying "you'll get it when you get it" | 23:48 |
| SDuensin | He didn't say WHICH December. | 23:49 |
| SDuensin | Ut oh. The new server I just ordered is 64 bit Linux. Time to rebuild the WRE. <sigh> | 23:51 |
| diakopter | perlmonkey2: you can help with Perl 6, if you want. | 23:51 |
| * SDuensin wants Parrot. And things to run on it, of course. | 23:51 | |
| perlmonkey2 | diakopter: First I have a WebGUI project I need to finish. | 23:52 |
| perlmonkey2 | diakopter: And I still have a 60 hour work week at work until next Wednesday. | 23:53 |
| diakopter | perlmonkey2: whee! | 23:53 |
| perlmonkey2 | diakopter: How do you manage to have time to do FOSS and work a job? | 23:59 |
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| SDuensin | Gotta get 'em to play together. My job let me release ZK Desktop as FOSS, so I get paid to maintain it. | 00:00 |
| @preaction | dedication and lack of a social life, like the rest of us | 00:00 |
| diakopter | perlmonkey2: heh :P ... I don't *do* FOSS, truly. I just help do admin junk. like keep out the spammers from #perl6. or buying domain names. or doing other enabling stuff. | 00:01 |
| diakopter | preaction++ # those too. | 00:01 |
| perlmonkey2 | diakopter: That sounds like something even a monkey could do......a perlmonkey | 00:02 |
| diakopter | well sure | 00:02 |
| diakopter | there are plenty of tasks like that that still need attention. | 00:02 |
| diakopter | admin junk is never ending. | 00:02 |
| perlmonkey2 | well, I have a 7.27 deadline for the 7.4 release, so I'll talk to you about it after then. | 00:03 |
| diakopter | perlmonkey2: get off irc and finish your wG project! :P | 00:03 |
| perlmonkey2 | diakopter: No, I document until 5, then finish wG. | 00:03 |
| diakopter | ahhh | 00:03 |
| perlmonkey2 | and irc is much more fun then documentation. | 00:04 |
| * diakopter is readying a wG(svn-latest) install for a site that literally 25 domain names (will) point to. including perl6.com and perlsix.com, and tons of variants. | 00:05 | |
| perlmonkey2 | operator's manual, installiation manual, trouble shooting guide, QA'ing the code comments. A one man shop means one man gets to do all the crud work too. | 00:05 |
| perlmonkey2 | 25 virtual hosts? | 00:05 |
| @preaction | may want to avoid svn-latest, there are lots of untested features there (even though those features are awesomecore) | 00:05 |
| diakopter | yes, but all redirecting (or rewriteruleing, haven't decided) to various paths within the main site. | 00:07 |
| diakopter | preaction: I can handle it. | 00:07 |
| diakopter | if i find a bug, I'll nopaste a patch here. | 00:07 |
| @preaction | or buglist (someone may not be here to get your patch) | 00:08 |
| SDuensin | Outta here! Headed home. Later! | 00:08 |
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| diakopter | now... others may veto the use of wG for these sites... ;) and demand a more CPAN-ish web application platform, but whatever; I'm setting it up anyway for now. | 00:12 |
| diakopter | oh, that reminds me, I'll need to make a custom auth method that uses Apache2 htpasswd lists... unless someone has already contributed one. | 00:15 |
| diakopter | er, I take that back, the credentials are also in a sqlite3 db | 00:16 |
| diakopter | that's easier. | 00:16 |
| @preaction | i don't believe i've seen one, but the htpasswd list would be a nice addition (the auth system is kinda ugly atm, i'm trying to fix a bug in it right now) | 00:16 |
| diakopter | preaction: which bug | 00:17 |
| @preaction | there's a bug where deactiveAccountConfirm returns a WebGUI::User object (instead of the login form) | 00:18 |
| @preaction | i would assume if i explicitly return undef; from that sub in WebGUI::Auth, it would work | 00:18 |
| @preaction | but i'm trying to make a nice message saying "username has been deactivated." | 00:18 |
| @preaction | but it seems that calling $self->displayLogin would require me to know things about the subclasses, which is impossible | 00:19 |
| @preaction | example: the WebGUI::Auth::WebGUI->displayLogin has no arguments (while WebGUI::Auth->displayLogin has method, and vars arguments) | 00:19 |
| @preaction | i lied, wG::Auth::WebGUI has one argument, the method | 00:20 |
| @preaction | no wait, it's the message itself | 00:20 |
| @preaction | god... not documented... | 00:20 |
| @preaction | the problem being is this the same prototype as Auth::LDAP? or Auth::MyCompany? | 00:21 |
| @preaction | worse: if i change it, what API will i break? | 00:22 |
| diakopter | preaction: have you yourself seen the error message in question that results from deactivateAccountConfirm returning a WebGUI::User object? or only user-reported? | 00:27 |
| @preaction | i've seen it | 00:28 |
| @preaction | it shows: WebGUI::User(0xblah) | 00:28 |
| diakopter | when you deactivated yourself, or some other user. | 00:28 |
| @preaction | yourself | 00:28 |
| diakopter | oh... patch forthcoming. | 00:28 |
| diakopter | http://rafb.net/p/Dd3h5Q41.html | 00:42 |
| @preaction | k, seems simple enough | 00:44 |
| diakopter | well, er | 00:44 |
| diakopter | forgot about the api difference there | 00:44 |
| diakopter | insert 'login', after displayLogin( :D | 00:44 |
| @preaction | yeah, i'm thinking it won't work just yet to have that message | 00:44 |
| @preaction | because using an explicit "login" doesn't allow for other auth subclasses to specify different login methods, and calling $self->displayLogin goes first to that subclass which (the WebGUI Auth one for example) has a different prototype than the Auth.pm superclass | 00:45 |
| @preaction | so it would require fixing the API, which afaik i can't do until the API unfreeze | 00:46 |
| diakopter | okay, then this: http://rafb.net/p/ZfYzLE81.html | 00:47 |
| @preaction | that plus an explicit return undef in the Auth.pm should do it | 00:49 |
| diakopter | shouldn't need to change anything in the Auth.pm:deactivateAccountConfirm() | 00:49 |
| diakopter | since none of its callers care what it returns | 00:50 |
| diakopter | or, shouldn't at least. | 00:50 |
| @preaction | if they don't care, then they won't care that i explicitly return undef instead of returning the webgui user object | 00:50 |
| diakopter | true :D | 00:50 |
| diakopter | bbl | 00:53 |
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| diakopter | anyone around? | 09:25 |
| +Radix_ | no | 09:25 |
| diakopter | anyone around with svn commit? | 09:25 |
| +Radix_ | no | 09:26 |
| +Radix_ | ;) | 09:26 |
| diakopter | k; I'll post the patch tomorrow. | 09:26 |
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| perlmonkey2 | the hoverHelp property of Wobjects now takes a template id instead of plain text? | 18:05 |
| perlmonkey2 | Bah, duh, no. | 18:07 |
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| perlmonkey2 | So I've never designed webpages in Linux before (I've always had access to Dreamweaver). If you use *nix only, what's your favorite HTML designer tool? | 19:04 |
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| +Radix_ | vi | 19:55 |
| @rizenaway | vim | 19:55 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Can someone point me at an ajaxified wobject? | 20:14 |
| @rizen-in-out | none of them use YUI yet, that's why we decided to standardize...cuz they were all using their own stuff....but | 20:20 |
| @rizen-in-out | Dashboard | 20:20 |
| @rizen-in-out | Project Management | 20:20 |
| @rizen-in-out | Time Tracker | 20:20 |
| perlmonkey2 | rizen-in-out: Looks like your AJAX code is kept in extras. Should I just throw the complete YUI into extras? | 20:43 |
| perlmonkey2 | oh. | 20:43 |
| perlmonkey2 | nevermind. | 20:43 |
| @rizen-in-out | it is | 20:43 |
| perlmonkey2 | I see it :) | 20:43 |
| perlmonkey2 | For the survey, I a survey admin selects that the survey/quiz is a multi-session, I'm going to add a choice of length of time from start and also a hard datestamp, at which point the user will no longer be able to complete the survey/quiz. Sound reasonable? | 20:50 |
| perlmonkey2 | Put that logic into "response.isComplete" | 20:51 |
| perlmonkey2 | s/ I / if / | 20:53 |
| @rizen-in-out | yup | 20:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | Anyone home? | 22:47 |
| perlmonkey2 | kind of | 22:55 |
| +perlDreamer | By chance, do you have any idea what an Oracle DSN for the DBI would look like? | 22:55 |
| perlmonkey2 | mocking up the pages and JS for the ajax survey before I port them to WebGUI. | 22:55 |
| @preaction | iirc oracle can use the ODBC driver, but otherwise i don't think oracle has a working DBD anymore | 22:56 |
| perlmonkey2 | hmm.....I would have to fire up my XP box which has my backups from an old job where I connected to Oracle. But I think it was very similiar. | 22:56 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 22:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm moving some of the functionality out of the SQL Form into the DatabaseLink. | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Things like finding the database name from the DSN and determining privileges. | 22:57 |
| @preaction | www.orafaq.com/faqperl.htm | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | That way they can be tested and kept track of. | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: thanks | 22:57 |
| perlmonkey2 | oracle uses a normal dsn with "Oracle" as the driver name. so 'dbi:Oracle:database=db;host=localhost;port=666',uid,pwd | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: many thanks | 23:00 |
| perlmonkey2 | Which requires DBD::Oracle, which preaction says is flaky? | 23:02 |
| @preaction | i don't know | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I think he said unmaintained. | 23:02 |
| @preaction | i don't know why Frank needed to use Java instead of Perl for this migration we had to do before | 23:02 |
| @preaction | perhaps it's just non-free | 23:03 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Someone how my www.host.com.conf has been converted into a JSON format. Anyway to revert it? | 23:17 |
| SDuensin | No idea dude. :-( | 23:18 |
| SDuensin | Got my own issues here. | 23:18 |
| * SDuensin is trying to build the WRE on RHEL x64. | 23:18 | |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2: it's supposed to be JSON | 23:20 |
| @preaction | starting, i want to say, with 6.99 | 23:21 |
| perlmonkey2 | preaction: So after initial configuration, it is converted to JSON. Cool. | 23:23 |
| perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: Wow. That doesn't sound like fun at all. apreqlib? | 23:23 |
| SDuensin | I have no idea. Fails building perl. I think my libs are in the wrong place. Complains about all the math functions. | 23:24 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2: no, new installs of 6.99-7.x should come with JSON config files. or are we not talking about the WebGUI config file? | 23:24 |
| perlmonkey2 | I think you misspelled "building perl" which should better be spelled "Fails because for some crazy reason I'm doing a full rebuild of Perl when RHEL comes with 5.8.8". | 23:24 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2: the WRE comes with its own Perl, its own everything | 23:25 |
| SDuensin | perlmonkey2 - Trying to build the WRE. | 23:25 |
| perlmonkey2 | preaction: We are. and I'm just retarded. The comments in the webgui.conf.example through me off. I'm just not used to seeing JSON outside of javascript. | 23:25 |
| perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: you have my most sincere sympathies. | 23:26 |
| @preaction | the idea being you can just install the bare minimum system, download the WRE, get GNU make and GCC and you can compile a working WebGUI system | 23:26 |
| perlmonkey2 | s/through/threw/ | 23:26 |
| SDuensin | preaction - That's a great theory. :-P | 23:26 |
| @preaction | it's probably complaining about the math libs because they're all 64bit, you may have to point Perl to the correct place for your 32-bit compatibility libs | 23:27 |
| SDuensin | Greek, dude. This is the first 64 bit box I've worked with. | 23:29 |
| @preaction | 64bit boxes have the 32bit libraries installed along with a translation layer for the kernel, somewhere on your system are those libraries | 23:30 |
| @preaction | either that or you have to find a 64bit perl | 23:30 |
| @preaction | it's greek to me too, i don't know thing one about compiling programs and finding dependancies | 23:30 |
| SDuensin | How does the WRE know which one it's building? | 23:30 |
| @preaction | there are flags to GCC in the build.sh script | 23:30 |
| SDuensin | Yea. I was poking around in there. | 23:31 |
| * perlmonkey2 stabs spectre in the neck. Why won't you stop dieing and write to webgui.log | 23:37 | |
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| diakopter | testEnvironment.pl is missing HTML::TagCloud | 03:23 |
| diakopter | er, no it's not | 03:24 |
| * perlmonkey2 ponders what in WebGUI could use HTML::TagCloud. | 03:37 | |
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| +Radix_ | the wiki? | 04:24 |
| perlmonkey2 | Keyword.pm is the only package that uses HTML::TagCloud it appears. | 04:25 |
| perlmonkey2 | Ah, create and modify keywords used by the asset system. | 04:27 |
| @preaction | new feature that currently is used by the wiki, but may be adapted to other assets (like CS posts) | 04:30 |
| perlmonkey2 | rizen-in-out: I have a q about the survey. I'm going with the flowchart option, but have started poking about the line drawing for connecting nodes. Putting in some logic to make the lines curve around other questions/answers would be a bit tricky. So for now, I'll have the lines draw straight over anything in the way and let the user drag things around to keep the flowchart clean. | 04:31 |
| perlmonkey2 | Also, for now, it might appear a bit chunky. Each q will be a draggable div, but contain a table with the q on top, and answers stacked in rows below. The user will be able to select an answer and drag it to another question, which will cause a line to be drawn between that answer and question (the answer div will snap back to the original question). | 04:33 |
| perlmonkey2 | The flowchart will grow to the right, with forks going vertical (down), although the user will be able to drag them wherever they want. Answers will default a connection to the next question id, or none at all. | 04:35 |
| perlmonkey2 | Since the flowcharts will quickly cause the screen to scroll, adding q&a's will be done with right click context menus. Deleting nodes will be done with double click, and will orphan children. | 04:36 |
| perlmonkey2 | right click context menus will bring up a dialog with all the options. | 04:37 |
| perlmonkey2 | At least that's how I'm going to prototype the system unless you say otherwise ;) | 04:38 |
| perlmonkey2 | I'm just trying to cram in all the functionality for 7.4 and make it pretty, smooth and sexy for 7.4.1 | 04:42 |
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| @rizen-in-out | i trust you to do the right thing | 06:51 |
| @rizen-in-out | everything sounds fine to me so far | 06:51 |
| SDuensin | Hey rizen-in-out | 07:00 |
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| perlmonkey2 | cool. I'm outy for the night. | 07:13 |
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| @rizen-in-out | diakopter r u here? | 19:45 |
| perlmonkey2 | Whatever happened to snapcount? | 20:29 |
| @rizen-in-out | he's still around from time to time | 20:31 |
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| l-e-o-n | anyone here ? | 11:51 |
| l-e-o-n | where does webgui creates the "virtualhosts" for apache ? | 11:57 |
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| AMH_bob | l-e-o-n shows little patience | 13:08 |
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| +Radix_ | aye, that he does. | 13:26 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:45 |
| AMH_bob | Good morning! (You beat me to it) | 15:45 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 15:45 |
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| @rizen-in-out | AMH_bob's speech pattern this morning reads deceptively similar to that of optimus prime | 16:44 |
| AMH_bob | :P | 17:00 |
| AMH_bob | just a co-inkydinky, I haven't seen it yet :D | 17:01 |
| @rizen-in-out | you should...very cool | 17:05 |
| pjesi | I have to write some CRUD pages for an external db, should I start with some of the SQL assets or perhaps just do it in perl as a new asset? | 17:10 |
| @rizen-in-out | depends on what you need | 17:12 |
| @rizen-in-out | SQLForm is pretty good for most CRUD duty | 17:12 |
| @rizen-in-out | but it's not highly templatable | 17:12 |
| pjesi | ok so if layout is not a big concern then SQLForm is the way to go, if I need pretty pages then a custom asset? | 17:13 |
| @rizen-in-out | yup | 17:13 |
| pjesi | ok thanks for the advice | 17:13 |
| @rizen-in-out | also if you need something complex that the SQL Form doesn't handle | 17:13 |
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| pjesi | I doubt that is going to be the case here :) | 17:14 |
| @rizen | anybody around that wants to help with a bit of javascript debugging? | 17:44 |
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| AMH_bob | for which part do you need help.... | 18:02 |
| AMH_bob | (AMH_henry wanted to know more... we're tempted to help) | 18:03 |
| AMH_bob | @rizen: ? | 18:03 |
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| diakopter | rizen: yay; javascript debuggin | 18:08 |
| @rizen | sorry was on the phone | 18:10 |
| @rizen | ok if you check out the latest from svn head | 18:11 |
| @rizen | there is a folder called www/extras/styleDesigner/ | 18:11 |
| @rizen | then point your browser to the example.html page in that folder | 18:12 |
| @rizen | the problem is that IE doesn't appear to like the color picker | 18:12 |
| @rizen | it's not popping it up | 18:12 |
| @rizen | and it's not throwing an error | 18:12 |
| AMH_bob | Sorry, we don't support IE | 18:12 |
| @rizen | i wish i didn't have to either | 18:12 |
| @rizen | but this is going in the core | 18:12 |
| AMH_henry | I'll take a look at it when i get home (in about ten minutes ;) | 18:13 |
| AMH_bob | ok, than I'm off too, bye! | 18:13 |
| @rizen | thanks guys | 18:14 |
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| diakopter | rizen: IE6 throws an error for me... | 18:28 |
| @rizen | really, can you put it in a pastepin? | 18:29 |
| @rizen | pastebin and link it? | 18:29 |
| diakopter | sure | 18:29 |
| diakopter | but I'd rather fix it real quick first and nopaste a patch ;) | 18:29 |
| @rizen | ok? | 18:30 |
| @rizen | or | 18:30 |
| @rizen | just check in your patch | 18:30 |
| diakopter | the only helpful info it says is: WebguiColorPicker is undefined | 18:30 |
| @rizen | why don't i get that damn error? | 18:30 |
| @rizen | i'm using IE6 as well | 18:30 |
| diakopter | the yellow exclamation point in the bottom left of the status bar? | 18:32 |
| @rizen | no, nothing | 18:32 |
| diakopter | hrm; *shrugs* | 18:32 |
| @rizen | the other thing that's boggling me is that firefox and safari work just fine | 18:33 |
| @rizen | so this has to be an IE only problem | 18:33 |
| diakopter | oh, I see the problem | 18:34 |
| diakopter | hang on | 18:34 |
| diakopter | fancy JS here... ;) | 18:35 |
| diakopter | currying and so forth | 18:35 |
| @rizen | currying? | 18:37 |
| @rizen | i'm trying to follow Yahoo!'s design guidelines for javascript by doing encapsulated objects and whatnot | 18:37 |
| @rizen | i figure they know 10,000 times what i do about javascript so i should follow them | 18:38 |
| @rizen | ok so the problem appears to be with the color picker code rather than the style designer | 18:40 |
| @rizen | cuz the color picker doesn't pop anywhere in webgui when using IE | 18:40 |
| diakopter | right | 18:41 |
| @rizen | sorry, i didn't check that before cuz i thought i tested it in IE when I put the new color picker into the system | 18:42 |
| @rizen | i guess i didn't test IE though since it's obviously not working | 18:42 |
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| diakopter | well no, the reason it's not working there is you didn't change webguiColorPicker to WebguiColorPicker everywhere | 18:47 |
| @rizen | then how come it works in firefox and safari? | 18:47 |
| @rizen | are they case insensitive? | 18:48 |
| diakopter | well, a reason. | 18:48 |
| @rizen | in addition | 18:48 |
| @rizen | if i grep for the lower case version | 18:48 |
| @rizen | it doesn't exist | 18:48 |
| @rizen | so where didn't i change it? | 18:48 |
| diakopter | rizen: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/checkout/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form/Color.pm | 18:50 |
| @rizen | that's actually changed too | 18:50 |
| @rizen | just not checked in yet | 18:50 |
| diakopter | oh; heh :) | 18:50 |
| @rizen | but you don't need to test there | 18:50 |
| @rizen | just use example.html | 18:50 |
| @rizen | in the colorpicker folder | 18:50 |
| @rizen | it doesn't work in IE | 18:50 |
| @rizen | and throws no errors | 18:50 |
| @rizen | i should have mentioned i've only checked in what i needed to to show you this problem | 18:52 |
| @rizen | methinks that IE isn't even parsing colorpicker.js | 18:55 |
| @rizen | if you just put a window.alert() at the top of the file it doesn't even pop up | 18:55 |
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| @rizen | found one problem | 18:59 |
| @rizen | checked in | 19:00 |
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| @rizen | ok, now that the comma that was causing it not to load the js file is gone | 19:09 |
| @rizen | i'm able to execute the init() method | 19:09 |
| @rizen | but the display method doesn't do anything | 19:09 |
| @rizen | never even gets called | 19:09 |
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| @rizen | ok, i've narrowed it down a bit further and have discovered that IE dies in the display method at ddPicker = Dom.get("ddPicker"); | 19:32 |
| +crythias | you can pick your nose... | 19:33 |
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| @rizen | well that's ****ed up | 19:39 |
| @rizen | if i change the variable so it doesn't have the same name as the div id, then the picker shows up | 19:39 |
| diakopter | ahhhhhh; silly IE and its aliasing global JS variables to each DOM node id. | 19:57 |
| diakopter | good find... | 19:57 |
| @rizen | are you kidding me? | 19:58 |
| @rizen | that's a "feature" | 19:58 |
| @rizen | i still have one problem left though | 19:58 |
| @rizen | in IE, the color shader doesn't work on the picker | 19:59 |
| @rizen | it's just always grey, which is the background image | 19:59 |
| @rizen | actually i think i know what that is too | 20:01 |
| @rizen | yup..fixed | 20:02 |
| diakopter | dunno how you did it, but I did if (YAHOO.util.Event.isIE) { | 20:08 |
| @rizen | i did if (navigator.appName == 'Microsoft Internet Explorer') { | 20:09 |
| @rizen | but I'll change it to that | 20:09 |
| diakopter | oo oo | 20:17 |
| diakopter | (found it.. committing) | 20:17 |
| diakopter | aw drat, you beat me to it, yet agin. still you should wrap the correctPNG() call in that isIE conditional. | 20:19 |
| @rizen | why? | 20:20 |
| @rizen | i put the wrapper in the correctPNG call instead | 20:21 |
| @rizen | that way it's only done if it's IE no matter where you call correctPNG from | 20:21 |
| @rizen | thinking of future scenarios | 20:21 |
| diakopter | oh; i missed that diff | 20:21 |
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| @rizen | in CSS i can do .navigation A { color: orange; } | 22:09 |
| @rizen | how do i accomplish the same thing using javascript | 22:10 |
| preaction_ | getElementsByTagName("a") | 22:11 |
| preaction_ | assuming you know where .navigation is | 22:11 |
| preaction_ | i believe Yui has a getElementsByClassName you can use | 22:12 |
| @rizen | so lets say it was #navigation instead | 22:12 |
| @rizen | Dom.get("navigation").getElementsByTagName("a") | 22:12 |
| SDuensin | Hey gang. Dang, what a morning. | 22:12 |
| @rizen | then loop over the list | 22:12 |
| preaction_ | so that'd be a loop over document.getElementById("navigation").getElementsByTagName("a") | 22:12 |
| @rizen | and apply the style? | 22:12 |
| preaction_ | should work | 22:12 |
| @rizen | ok | 22:13 |
| @rizen | i'll give that a try | 22:13 |
| @rizen | i was hoping there would be a nice shortcut | 22:13 |
| @rizen | but i guess this isn't too bad | 22:13 |
| @rizen | ok one more | 22:16 |
| @rizen | what about | 22:16 |
| @rizen | #navigation A:visited | 22:16 |
| @rizen | would that just be: | 22:17 |
| @rizen | tags[i].vlinkColor | 22:17 |
| @rizen | crap...your loop idea doesn't work | 22:20 |
| @rizen | http://rafb.net/p/9gF9Us56.html | 22:20 |
| @rizen | that's what i have | 22:20 |
| @rizen | any other ideas? | 22:20 |
| @rizen | also "this.value" comes from a case statement that this thing is inside of | 22:20 |
| @rizen | and when i say it doesn't work i mean that the color doesn't get set, and no error is thrown | 22:21 |
| preaction_ | tags[i].style.color | 22:32 |
| @rizen | damn i'm an idiot | 22:35 |
| @rizen | also..damn javascript sux | 22:35 |
| @rizen | it should have thrown an error | 22:35 |
| preaction_ | i love that FF allows trailing commas but IE barfs on them, usually with no error | 22:37 |
| @rizen | had that problem this morning | 22:37 |
| @rizen | firefox, safari, and opera all did the right thing | 22:37 |
| @rizen | ie of course didn't | 22:37 |
| preaction_ | there is an MS script debugger for JS, but it's rather... difficult | 22:38 |
| preaction_ | works in IE7 that i know, i think it works in IE6 as well | 22:38 |
| @rizen | yeah and you need to know MS Office to get it | 22:41 |
| @rizen | s/know/own/ | 22:41 |
| preaction_ | really? i've got it and use it, even considering how much it sucks | 22:42 |
| @rizen | it's supposedly on the MS Office CD | 22:42 |
| @rizen | i couldn't find a download for it anywhere | 22:42 |
| preaction_ | http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2004/10/26/247912.aspx | 22:42 |
| diakopter | or for those who don't want to validate their Windows license: http://download.microsoft.com/download/winscript56/Install/1.0a/NT45XP/EN-US/scd10en.exe | 22:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | On the Contrib's page, the PBWG icon still points to Radix_, but the Ad Space pulls up Yung. | 23:33 |
| @rizen | that image wasn't even supposed to be there anymore | 23:35 |
| @rizen | removed | 23:35 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: have you decided if you're coming out to OSCON to pick up your sourceforge award or not? | 23:37 |
| @rizen | we haven't won it yet | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | eh, it's just a matter of time | 23:39 |
| @rizen | regardless though, i can't actually come out...i have a client upgrade to do that weekend | 23:39 |
| * diakopter is attending Oscon | 23:39 | |
| @rizen | methinks that 2006 WebGUI Contributor of the Year should accept the award on our behalf | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Martin is coming to OSCON? | 23:40 |
| @rizen | hehe...no silly | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | If he's not going to be there, I guess I could do it. | 23:41 |
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| * perlDreamer makes a note not to wear t-shirt and gym shorts on Tuesday | 00:10 | |
| +perlDreamer | bug-- | 00:13 |
| @rizen | bug++ | 00:13 |
| @rizen | have to introduce them as fast as you fix them so we're not out of balance | 00:13 |
| @rizen | =) | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm hoping that there's a limiting factor to my theory. | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Fixing them slowly may allow the balance point to be reset. | 00:14 |
| @rizen | from now on also tell me how hard the bug was for you to fix, so i can introduce one that's equally hard | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Just stuff in anything JS related. That will be hard enough. | 00:15 |
| @rizen | i've been fixing JS bugs in my new code all day so that you wouldn't have to fix them | 00:15 |
| @rizen | i guess i should have left them in | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | When do the plainblack.com bugs get fixed? ;) | 00:16 |
| @rizen | as someone gets to them | 00:18 |
| @rizen | generally as they come in i assign them either to myself or someone else | 00:18 |
| @rizen | sometimes they'll fall through the cracks as we work on other projects | 00:19 |
| @rizen | regardless though, graham is supposed to be fixing bugs every day | 00:19 |
| @rizen | Haarg....are you here? | 00:19 |
| @rizen | if not, why not? | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | There are at least two easy bugs to close on the boards | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/link-and-javascript-headers-output-in-wrong-place#neN0aD9fHhDQZoqUBG8_-A | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | which is content chunking, not a bug | 00:20 |
| @Haarg | yeah, i'm here | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/polls-not-working-on-os-x-intel#XL71AxwxkpvKi5to2Iu7kA | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | which is "tough stuff it doesn't work" | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | portability | 00:20 |
| @rizen | please note what colin is saying and make them a priority to close out some bugs | 00:20 |
| @rizen | pd, until you mentioned it today, i didn't think anybody was even reading the black blog | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Have do the logs say? | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | s/Have/What/ | 00:30 |
| diakopter | I've read every entry... | 00:30 |
| diakopter | but that's why I spoke up just now. getLineage isn't working worth beans on this wG (svn trunk) installation. | 00:31 |
| diakopter | that's not why, I mean. <sigh> | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | Does the test pass? | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | t/Asset/AssetLineage | 00:32 |
| diakopter | good q | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, just do a prove -r Asset | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | run them all! | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I think Lineage has been static for a while | 00:32 |
| diakopter | hmm; gotta come up with a non-destructive WEBGUI_CONFIG | 00:33 |
| preaction_ | i changed some of it in 7.3.0, but other than that i think lineage hasn't changed much | 00:33 |
| diakopter | or are the tests non destructive? | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | The tests are not non-destructive. | 00:33 |
| preaction_ | the tests are supposed to be non-destructive | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | So you have two options | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) Dump, test, restore | 00:33 |
| diakopter | dump it is | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) Create a disposable database | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | and site uploads area | 00:33 |
| diakopter | ick ick ick ;) | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | We could make that a goal for OSCON | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | Completely non-destructive tests | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | It shouldn't be that hard to achieve | 00:34 |
| diakopter | although I suppose option 2 is rather more one-time than the other. | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | It's what I do, along with the old "resetdev" script | 00:35 |
| diakopter | I wish Test.pm would just prompt for mysql root password, and create its own temp dirs and temp db, importing create.sql etc. | 00:35 |
| preaction_ | http://webgui.org/user_contributions/user_contributions/miscellaneous/switch_webgui_pl----switch-between-webgui-source-directories <- this is what i do. let me upload my latest fixes to it | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | diakopter, that's a great idea, but it would prompt on EVERY test. Need to use Test::Class or something similar. | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | Maybe a create test sandbox script? | 00:37 |
| diakopter | preaction_: thanks | 00:37 |
| +crythias | or maybe just read the configs from mytest.inc.php | 00:38 |
| +crythias | oh. um. oops | 00:38 |
| diakopter | crythias: boo-yuh | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | afk for 15 | 00:39 |
| +crythias | I meant. mysql-test.conf | 00:39 |
| +crythias | boo-yah | 00:39 |
| preaction_ | done, now it enables/disables both the modperl and modproxy entries of the WRE. it's configurable enough to allow for almost any Apache+WebGUI combination | 00:41 |
| preaction_ | it's kinda ugly code, i know. I should be using File::Spec | 00:41 |
| preaction_ | but all you do is switch to the WebGUI you want to use, and use the WRE's addsite script to add a site to that webgui. then whenever you switch, the script will enable/disable the sites that are configured with that version of the webgui source | 00:43 |
| diakopter | Enviroment variable WEBGUI_CONFIG must be set. | 00:43 |
| diakopter | Enviro ment | 00:43 |
| +crythias | kewl. does that come in sugar free? | 00:46 |
| +crythias | double your pleasure... double your fun.. with rizen's... enviroment gum. | 00:47 |
| diakopter | perlDreamer: nope, AssetLineage DIED. FAILED tests 3, 37, 39, 44, 46, 48, 50, 55-56, 58, 68-72 | 00:48 |
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| diakopter | the rest of Asset* tests seem okay, except AssetPackage failed tests 3-7. | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | let me do an update | 00:51 |
| diakopter | note that this is stock create.sql, upgraded from 7.3.20svn to 7.4svn | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | My test run is clean | 00:53 |
| * diakopter tries prove verbose | 00:53 | |
| +perlDreamer | what does testEnvironment.pl --simpleReport say? | 00:53 |
| diakopter | all OKs | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | my setup is the same as yours | 00:54 |
| diakopter | why would any of that be messed up? The site generally works. But no children are ever shown on Layouts, and manageAssets' crumbtrail and child listing are always blank. | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | WRE? | 00:55 |
| diakopter | no | 00:55 |
| diakopter | MySQL 5.0.41a-1 (debian) | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | oh | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | that may be the problem right there | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I've seen bugs posted about using mysql's biggen than 5.0.32 | 00:56 |
| diakopter | lovely... | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe it was on the boards... | 00:57 |
| @Haarg | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/mysql-5.0.41 | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/mysql-5/re-mysql-5.0.41#IjsCDJd-hkr3jgCvhwDjLA | 00:57 |
| @Haarg | it's a mysql bug | 00:58 |
| diakopter | Haarg: thanks. | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Is it easy for you to downgrade, diakopter? | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, does that mean that 5.0.42 and above will be okay? | 00:59 |
| diakopter | eh, maybe. the whole machine is Debian Sid. Lemme see what's in the package pipeline... | 00:59 |
| diakopter | 5.0.44 | 00:59 |
| diakopter | well, there's 5.1.19beta-1 in debian/experimental, released Jun 11 | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | We have an easy way to validate it now, via the test suite. | 01:02 |
| diakopter | and 5.1.19 upstream does include that patch.... supposedly... | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Install it then run prove across the whole test suite. Make sure that CODE_COP=0 and it should take about 15 minutes to check everything. | 01:04 |
| diakopter | sir yes sir | 01:09 |
| diakopter | I wonder if the 60 other users/admins of this machine will mind... | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | this is on feather? | 01:09 |
| diakopter | sshhh | 01:10 |
| diakopter | well now that's weird. | 01:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | Anyone happen to know the URl for the ImageMagick API docs? | 01:13 |
| @rizen | http://www.imagemagick.org/script/perl-magick.php | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks! | 01:23 |
| @rizen | pd, how are you coming with removing the aux help files in 7.4 | 01:23 |
| @rizen | two weeks left until release | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you know when the files were last updated in the wiki, approximately? | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | That way I can track down any changes that need to be moved before they're lost. | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | btw. YUI does not play well with SeaMonkey | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | SeaMonkey 1.0.3 on RHEL 4 64-bit | 01:26 |
| @rizen | may | 01:29 |
| @rizen | what is seamonkey? | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Mozilla | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Mozilla "abandoned" mozilla, so someone picked it up and started calling it seamonkey | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | It's the old integrated suite, instead of being busted up like Firefox, thunderbird, sunbird, etc. | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | And we're pulling everything but hoverHelp, template variables and... | 01:31 |
| @rizen | hoverhelp and template variables stay | 01:32 |
| @rizen | all other pages go | 01:32 |
| @rizen | if seamonkey is based on firefox then it should work fine...regardless webgui only supports what yahoo calls A class browsers | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | ok | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | So the add/edit article page goes, but the hoverHelp behind it stays? | 01:34 |
| @rizen | http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/articles/gbs/ | 01:34 |
| +perlDreamer | and the Macro pages should be stripped down to template variables ony | 01:34 |
| @rizen | right | 01:34 |
| @rizen | on both counts | 01:34 |
| +perlDreamer | The autogenerated lists of assets, macros, workflow activities, template parsers also go | 01:36 |
| @rizen | yup | 01:36 |
| * perlDreamer whips out his vorpal vim editor | 01:37 | |
| @rizen | i guess you could leave the page that shows what macros are enabled or whatever | 01:37 |
| @rizen | but the actual description pages should no longer be there | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | Okay, so no linking inside of there. | 01:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: I'm going to change the name on all the Macro pages that remain to Macro Template Variables, just to be clear | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | sound okay? | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | If all Help content is either HoverHelp or template variables, we don't need the body tag anymore. | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | But existing docs for custom software may use it, so probably better to leave it in | 01:59 |
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| * diakopter still downloads mysql5.1.19beta | 02:39 | |
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| @preaction | i have a healthy respect for whomever wrote the Navigation asset... I've just basically re-implemented the same tree-building algorithm in my client project... | 04:13 |
| @preaction | the varying ways to represent these things... JS and HTML both require a completely different set of instructions on how to re-create the tree from a flat array... | 04:13 |
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| diakopter | yes, upgrading to mysql-server-5.1.19beta-1 fixed http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/mysql-5.0.41 | 06:47 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:08 |
| AMH_bob | Good morning! | 16:09 |
| SDuensin | Hey AMH_bob | 16:10 |
| AMH_bob | Hi Scott! | 16:11 |
| @rizen | howdy peeps | 16:16 |
| SDuensin | Hey rizen | 16:18 |
| SDuensin | rizen, you know of anyone using the WRE on RHEL4 x64? | 16:20 |
| @rizen | no | 16:21 |
| SDuensin | Nuts. | 16:22 |
| diakopter | rizen: I don't see a reference to mod_header(s?) in svn's /wrebuild - was it removed from the mod_proxy.conf at some point? | 16:25 |
| @rizen | no | 16:25 |
| diakopter | hum; I'll keep looking | 16:25 |
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| l-e-o-n | anyone here ? | 17:12 |
| SDuensin | Nope. Nobody at all. | 17:17 |
| l-e-o-n | ah ok then... lol | 17:17 |
| l-e-o-n | u can help me ? | 17:17 |
| SDuensin | Probably not, but I'll try! | 17:18 |
| l-e-o-n | i've installed webgui 7.3.20 wre.. and i had another apache instance running.. but the apache of webgui is on top of it and can't start my other apache | 17:19 |
| diakopter | l-e-o-n: then what's your question | 17:20 |
| l-e-o-n | how can i bind webgui apache to run on an ip | 17:20 |
| l-e-o-n | so i'll bind the other apache on another ip | 17:20 |
| l-e-o-n | cause it's ignoring anything from its httpd.conf | 17:21 |
| SDuensin | It uses modproxy.conf and modperl.conf. | 17:21 |
| SDuensin | (Or something close to that.) | 17:21 |
| * diakopter continues to fight with mysql 5.1.19 on debian sid and DBD::mysql | 17:23 | |
| diakopter | cpan | 17:23 |
| diakopter | ugh | 17:23 |
| * SDuensin is fighting with WRE on RHEL x64. | 17:23 | |
| l-e-o-n | can't find any ip's binded on modproxy and modperl | 17:23 |
| * SDuensin is losing badly. | 17:23 | |
| l-e-o-n | i'm fighting with wre on rhel too but to bind it to an ip grr | 17:24 |
| l-e-o-n | lol | 17:24 |
| diakopter | fun! Couldn't call method deleteList on asset for url: home Root cause: Transactions not supported by database at /usr/lib/perl5/DBI.pm line 1665. | 17:24 |
| SDuensin | l-e-o-n, look in /data/wre/prereqs/apache/conf | 17:24 |
| SDuensin | It has http.modproxy.conf and http.modperl.conf in it. | 17:25 |
| SDuensin | Find the "Listen" line in those files. | 17:25 |
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| chatito28 | good morning i am new using webgui and i am trying to get a calendar working can anybody help? | 17:26 |
| diakopter | whee; that fixed it. (apt-get install libmysqlclient15off=5.1.19beta-1 and then cpan force install DBD::mysql) | 17:27 |
| SDuensin | chatito28 - I've not used that asset, sorry. | 17:27 |
| SDuensin | diakopter - Congrats! | 17:27 |
| SDuensin | diakopter - Now fix mine. :-) | 17:27 |
| @Haarg | what kind of trouble are you having chatito28? | 17:28 |
| diakopter | rizen: I think the mod_headers stuff got dropped from the port80 apache at some point | 17:28 |
| chatito28 | i am trying to add a a event calendar | 17:29 |
| diakopter | not that it matters too much to me; I'm not using the wre. | 17:29 |
| chatito28 | and i don't know how to | 17:29 |
| diakopter | chatito28: what version of WebGUI do you have | 17:29 |
| * SDuensin longs for the WRE. | 17:29 | |
| l-e-o-n | i bindend webgui to run on ip 209.62.91.100.. | 17:29 |
| l-e-o-n | http://209.62.91.98/ | 17:29 |
| l-e-o-n | ah shit | 17:30 |
| l-e-o-n | it seem to work now | 17:30 |
| chatito28 | 7.3.18 | 17:30 |
| l-e-o-n | lol | 17:30 |
| chatito28 | i was looking for a how to or a manual.. but i can't find anything | 17:30 |
| diakopter | da manual is fo sale | 17:33 |
| SDuensin | https://www.plainblack.com/store/services/books2/webgui-content-managers-guide | 17:33 |
| * diakopter loves save-and-commit | 17:40 | |
| chatito28 | my company bough support for webgui , can i see guides with this? | 17:43 |
| diakopter | interesting; I changed this WebGUI site config file, and did *not* restart mod_perl, but the site immediately reflected the change. | 17:47 |
| diakopter | that's a new one | 17:47 |
| * diakopter could've sworn the config file was cached permanently by preload.perl | 17:48 | |
| diakopter | (the modproxy mod_header line *really* improves admin-mode responsiveness and server load) | 17:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | Morning folks | 19:16 |
| @rizen | morning? | 19:17 |
| @rizen | it's like afternoon or something | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Not in Wisonsin | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | You can't fool me, I studied Giograffy | 19:17 |
| diakopter | morning | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | But spelling was never my strong poynt | 19:18 |
| * diakopter giraffes about | 19:18 | |
| +perlDreamer | diakopter, do you want to wiki your mod_header hack? | 19:21 |
| diakopter | well I realized (yet again) that I'm an idiot | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | Paraphrasing "The American President", "My idiocy is complex and lies on many levels". | 19:22 |
| diakopter | and that it is still there .. wre/var/setupfiles/modproxy.conf: Header set Cache-Control "max-age=36000" | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | Great misfortune and woe. | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | The SourceForge community awards are Thursday night. | 19:25 |
| diakopter | so they are | 19:32 |
| diakopter | have the winners been announced? or not till Thursday night? | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Not 'til Thursday night. | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | When I'm at rehearsal. | 19:38 |
| diakopter | how could SF rent out the whole Jupiter hotel and invite all of OSCON and offer free drinks? do the site ads pay that well??!? | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | SF also owns Slashdot, ThinkGeek, Linux.com and so on | 19:40 |
| diakopter | oh, I see, all under VA Linux, a publicly traded large company. gotcha. plenty of revenue. | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | Oodles | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | Plus commercial SourceForge, plus support. | 19:46 |
| pjesi | diakopter: was your hacked related to IE6 caching everything internally forever? | 19:47 |
| diakopter | pjesi: no... | 19:48 |
| pjesi | darn.. | 19:48 |
| diakopter | unless by everything you mean /extras/* | 19:48 |
| pjesi | nope | 19:48 |
| diakopter | pjesi: is that still a problem? | 19:54 |
| pjesi | indeed it is | 19:57 |
| diakopter | pjesi: is there a bug entry for it? | 19:58 |
| pjesi | I think my co-worker did, I dont have any windows machines here so I can't reproduce the error | 19:59 |
| diakopter | oh | 20:00 |
| * pjesi is a university student in a foreign country with very small laptop | 20:01 | |
| diakopter | a country foreign to you? or a country foreign to me? | 20:02 |
| pjesi | to me | 20:03 |
| pjesi | I am not in the same country as the company | 20:03 |
| pjesi | well, gotta go bowling! | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | If you request the deletion of a file in svn, but don't actually commit, is there a way to cancel the request? | 20:21 |
| diakopter | svn revert theFilename? | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | Hey! Thanks, man. | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | That worked. | 20:25 |
| diakopter | then make sure svn status doesn't show it D | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | You'd think that would be in the SVN book, or in Google, but it isn't. | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Maybe it's so obvious it doesn't need to be... :( | 20:25 |
| diakopter | I bet it's in Google accessible by *some* keyword | 20:25 |
| diakopter | :-P | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not in svn undelete or svn cancel delete | 20:26 |
| diakopter | http://www.tigris.org/nonav/scdocs/ddUsingSVN_command-line.html is a lot shorter than svnbook. | 20:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | Welcome, wgGuest01 | 20:59 |
| -!- wgGuest01 is now known as Dc5e | 20:59 | |
| Dc5e | Hey, is anyone here familiar with the commerce in WebGUI? | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | somewhat, what are you trying to do with it? | 21:00 |
| Dc5e | well | 21:00 |
| Dc5e | i want to be able to sell some products with it | 21:00 |
| Dc5e | i've set up the products and product macros | 21:01 |
| Dc5e | and when i put in an order using the cash method, the order goes through | 21:01 |
| Dc5e | but on the administrative side, how do i view the order? | 21:01 |
| Dc5e | well, to be more precise, I can view the order in the 'List Transactions' page | 21:02 |
| Dc5e | but is there any way i can edit it? such as change it's status from 'pending' to 'complete' and view where to ship an item? | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | good question | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know the answer to it. I'd recommend posting it on the discussion boards. | 21:05 |
| @preaction | example.com?op=listTransactions (it's under the Commerce tab in the admin console. on the right side menu you'll see List Transactions and List Pending Transactions) | 21:05 |
| Dc5e | yeah, when I get to that page though, it only allows me to delete transactions | 21:05 |
| Dc5e | and 'List Pending Transactions' doesn't work | 21:05 |
| Dc5e | it just brings me to the homepage | 21:05 |
| @preaction | that's a bug: the bug is "listPendingTransactions" is not a valid operation, even though it's referred to | 21:06 |
| @preaction | http://webgui.org/bugs | 21:07 |
| @preaction | (it's not there yet that i know of, if you want to post it) | 21:07 |
| @preaction | most likely all someone has to do is add it to the list in WebGUI::Operation.pm | 21:07 |
| Dc5e | oh ok | 21:07 |
| Dc5e | yeah, because I was wondering about that too, I searched all over the site and saw no mention of it being a bug | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | That's a good indication that you're the first :) | 21:08 |
| @preaction | but good idea coming here for us to verify, if you give the buglist all the information i've said someone should be able to fix it in 5-10 minutes (if i'm right about it, at least) | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, you're right, and I've got a fix ready to check in | 21:09 |
| Dc5e | okay | 21:09 |
| @preaction | could you make a patch and attach it to that thread for Dc5e to apply to his WebGUI (so he can get going)? | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Sure. Dc5e, are you cool with patching your code? Do you have a hosted server, or run your own? | 21:10 |
| Dc5e | well, right now i'm running on my own | 21:10 |
| Dc5e | but i'm planning to buy the hosting service soon | 21:10 |
| @preaction | it's as simple as: cd /data/WebGUI; patch -p0 < patchfile | 21:11 |
| @preaction | provided perlDreamer makes the patch out of the same directory (/data/WebGUI) | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll provide patch instructions | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: are we scheduled to release .21 tomorrow? | 21:12 |
| * preaction goes back into the Collaboration System code, if I'm not back in 2 hours, don't send rescue, just give me a beautiful funeral | 21:12 | |
| +perlDreamer | check in Auth i18n first, please? | 21:13 |
| @preaction | that should be done | 21:13 |
| +perlDreamer | Dc5e, give us a holler when you submit that bug. | 21:13 |
| Dc5e | okay | 21:13 |
| @preaction | uhm | 21:13 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: got it. | 21:13 |
| @preaction | has anyone tried the 7.4 collab system? | 21:13 |
| @preaction | oh, it's been refactored | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Inheritable, subclassable now | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | To help with the newsletter Asset | 21:14 |
| @preaction | it scared me seeing a 12-line subroutine that i knew should be almost 50 | 21:14 |
| @preaction | which sucks because i did that before but apparently forgot to move the changes from a client site into the webgui core. luckily this change and my change can be used together | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Okay, I'm out for lunch for a while. | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Dc5e, I have your bugfix ready to commit. All we need is your bug report to finish the documentation. | 21:16 |
| Dc5e | okay | 21:18 |
| Dc5e | i just posted the bug | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | Fixed, and patch posted | 21:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Now I'm really going to lunch. | 21:26 |
| * SDuensin sighs | 21:31 | |
| SDuensin | MySQL hates me today. | 21:33 |
| @rizen | yes sir pd, .21 tomorrow | 22:26 |
| @rizen | it may go out slow though cuz i'm teaching graham how to do releases tomorrow | 22:26 |
| SDuensin | Hey, here's a new one... | 22:28 |
| SDuensin | Aspell.so: wrong ELF class | 22:28 |
| SDuensin | Happened during cpan running from testEnvironment.pl. | 22:29 |
| @rizen | if you can figure out how many grasshoppers with wooden legs it would take to kick all of the seeds out of a dill pickle, then i'll tell you how to fix it | 22:30 |
| SDuensin | 42 | 22:30 |
| @rizen | nope | 22:30 |
| SDuensin | It is. You're mistaken. | 22:30 |
| @rizen | hmm..then i guess i'd be mistaken about the other thing too | 22:30 |
| SDuensin | :-P | 22:30 |
| SDuensin | Do I really need Text::Aspell: ? | 22:36 |
| @rizen | you don't need text aspell unless you want to enable webgui spell checking | 22:36 |
| SDuensin | Aww, that'd be nice. Guess I can worry about it later. | 22:37 |
| SDuensin | Uh, this is bad, isn't it? | 22:40 |
| SDuensin | [root@u15262483 sbin]# . ./setenvironment | 22:40 |
| SDuensin | [root@u15262483 sbin]# whereis perl | 22:40 |
| SDuensin | perl: /usr/bin/perl /usr/share/man/man1/perl.1.gz | 22:40 |
| SDuensin | Or not. "which perl" gives the right answer. | 22:42 |
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| @rizen | c of k in the usa | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | yo | 23:53 |
| @rizen | hehe...that's soo cool | 23:53 |
| @rizen | oscon, you're going for the whole week? | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Yup. | 23:53 |
| @rizen | man i wish i could go to that | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | It's going to be fun. | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I have a lot of hacking to do that week :) | 23:54 |
| @rizen | there's a little something going on at pb that i can't yet talk about that prevents me from going, so i'm going to have to live vicariously through you | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll be on IRC and IM as long as batteries allow. | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | If you like, put in some requests for sessions to attend and I'll see if I can get to them. | 23:55 |
| diakopter | perlDreamer: we should take turns live blogging... | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Yeah! | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Inbetween hacking the Help... | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: pb changes announced at WUC or sooner? | 23:57 |
| @preaction | are there any enhancements for the packaging system planned? like the ability to ignore revision dates and just take the imported package's version? or a workflow activity to sync packages between sites? | 23:59 |
| @preaction | duh.. search the RFEs | 23:59 |
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| @rizen | pd and dk that would be great | 00:00 |
| @rizen | the private things that are going on now should become public in august with any luck | 00:00 |
| @rizen | preaction yes no yes | 00:00 |
| @rizen | preaction, i'll skype you | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | better skype than scalp... | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | stupid, accursed, non-intuitive, overly restrictive, broken, non-Vim based, emacs wanna be RTE! | 00:12 |
| @rizen | who wants to do a super simple RFE for me? | 00:17 |
| @rizen | don't everybody jump at once | 00:18 |
| @rizen | diakopter? | 00:18 |
| diakopter | whoosawhat | 00:20 |
| diakopter | sure, why not | 00:20 |
| @rizen | http://www.plainblack.com/user_contributions/user_contributions/miscellaneous/form-codearea-replacement | 00:20 |
| @rizen | add that to the core | 00:20 |
| @rizen | actually | 00:21 |
| @rizen | make sure that the code is an open source license first | 00:21 |
| @rizen | but if it is | 00:21 |
| @rizen | then do it | 00:21 |
| diakopter | WoW | 00:21 |
| @rizen | WoW? | 00:22 |
| diakopter | spiffy | 00:22 |
| @rizen | it is cool | 00:22 |
| diakopter | oh, not World of Warcraft | 00:22 |
| diakopter | it's LGPL | 00:22 |
| @rizen | ok then...add it to the core and test it | 00:22 |
| diakopter | www/extras/codepress like he has it there? | 00:24 |
| diakopter | or somewhere deeper? | 00:24 |
| @preaction | that would probably be best | 00:34 |
| @preaction | (the www/extras/codepress) | 00:34 |
| diakopter | k | 00:34 |
| @preaction | did that say anything about search/replace inside the codearea? | 00:35 |
| @preaction | hmm... that would be nice, but doesn't look like it in the description | 00:36 |
| diakopter | no, doesn't seem to have that feature. | 00:38 |
| diakopter | now if only if could do what subthaedit does... ;) | 00:38 |
| @rizen | that's fine by me | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, do you have 10 minutes to edit my recently submitted Dev Guide to Testing? | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/developers-guide-to-testing-in-webgui | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, and I did a double submit by accident, so could some nice WebGUI.org admin please delete this one | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/developers-guide-to-testing-in-webgui2 | 00:55 |
| @rizen | i'll delete and look | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Thanks | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | If I've overstepped any lines, please hack the page, then me. | 00:57 |
| @rizen | oh i'll hack you even if you haven't | 00:58 |
| @rizen | hehe | 00:58 |
| @rizen | there i made some minor edits | 01:03 |
| @rizen | in general it looks great | 01:03 |
| @rizen | and you don't have to ask for my approvla | 01:03 |
| @rizen | approval | 01:03 |
| @rizen | that's the whole idea of a wiki...so everyone can create collaborative knowledge | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Well, I didn't want to set standards for core code without your buyin | 01:03 |
| @rizen | the standards are already set in wgbp | 01:04 |
| @rizen | =) | 01:04 |
| @rizen | you're just telling people how to make sense of it | 01:04 |
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| diakopter | rizen; preaction: the integration of this editor is kind of crappy | 01:20 |
| @preaction | is it fixable? i think i'll defer to JT on this | 01:20 |
| * preaction runs | 01:20 | |
| diakopter | well it's *extremely* fragile in IE | 01:20 |
| diakopter | barely usable, really. | 01:21 |
| diakopter | I should say, not even usable. | 01:22 |
| @preaction | which IE? 6 or 7? | 01:22 |
| diakopter | 6 | 01:22 |
| @preaction | curses... | 01:22 |
| diakopter | but the stupid thing is | 01:24 |
| diakopter | the only feature it adds to the codearea is line numbers. | 01:24 |
| diakopter | and in fact it *removes* the resizable aspect. | 01:24 |
| @preaction | what about the highlighting? | 01:26 |
| @preaction | or do you have to actually specify the highlighting to use? (wouldn't be hard to add that) | 01:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm questioning the statistics a little, but so far I've hacked out ~2 Mb of i18n and Help out of the core. | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | And that's just with the docs for the Macros | 01:54 |
| @preaction | nice | 02:05 |
| @preaction | 7.4 will be leaner then? 7.3.x was creeping up towards 20meg | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | have you ever run du -s on lib/WebGUI? | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | There are several megs of help/i18n | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Althought the biggest area by far is the YUI/icon stuff | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | This should trim several Mb off of the running size as well, since Help and i18n are implemented as code. | 02:06 |
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| diakopter | preaction: no, it seems you have to specify the highlighting grammar. But of course, that can be a runtime dropdown; surely it doesn't need to persist across saves. On the other, hand, if HTML::Template templates could have their own highlighting grammar, that'd be pretty sweet. | 02:59 |
| +crythias | highlighting grammar. Like... if I fed my mother's mother Uranium? | 03:08 |
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| diakopter | LOL | 04:19 |
| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. coghead.com are doing some interesting stuff atm | 04:22 |
| +Radix-wrk | ajax application/database design and they've just added coglets - customisable widgets you can put on your website to access the application/database you set up. | 04:37 |
| +Radix-wrk | http://www.coghead.com/coglets | 04:38 |
| +Radix-wrk | rizenisout: that webgui package you sent on May 4th just arrived :) Surface mail sure takes a while! - 2 months, 14 days | 05:17 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings | 15:42 |
| AMH_bob | Welcome | 15:53 |
| SDuensin | Hey AMH_bob | 15:54 |
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| @rizenisout | radix_: holy crap balls | 16:43 |
| @rizenisout | that is a long time | 16:43 |
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| @rizen | diakopter: if it's fragile, do not introduce it into the core | 16:43 |
| @rizen | the last thing i want is more bugs to fix | 16:43 |
| diakopter | that's what I figured | 16:43 |
| diakopter | it's a POS actually | 16:43 |
| @rizen | crap | 16:43 |
| @rizen | it looked cool | 16:43 |
| diakopter | sure, the latest version | 16:43 |
| diakopter | properly configured/integrated | 16:43 |
| * SDuensin missed something | 16:44 | |
| diakopter | but as the forum attests, the latest version has devastating bugs. | 16:44 |
| @rizen | not worth it then...i guess we'll have to let it stabilize | 16:44 |
| diakopter | yeah :( | 16:44 |
| diakopter | sorry :( | 16:44 |
| SDuensin | What are we talking about? | 16:45 |
| diakopter | el CodeArea.pm | 16:45 |
| diakopter | and some JS editor mod | 16:45 |
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| @rizen | perlDreamer: you are checking your help changes into 7.4 and not 7.3 right? | 20:42 |
| +perlDreamer | oh no! | 20:42 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, I'm doing 7.4 ;) | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | There are some help topics for screens that don't have hoverhelp, like user settings. | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you want to keep that help, purge it, or what? | 20:43 |
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| @rizen | user settings? | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | user profile settings | 20:44 |
| @rizen | goes in the wiki | 20:44 |
| @rizen | i want nothing remaining except regular i18n labels, hover help, and template variables | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | got it | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | later today, or perhaps tomorrow I'll need to ask you what to do with the Help icon and operations. | 20:46 |
| @rizen | i'm happy to report that the test suite discovered 4 errors this morning before the release | 20:55 |
| @rizen | which we're correcting | 20:55 |
| @rizen | kudos test suite | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | w00t! | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | What did I break? | 20:55 |
| @rizen | two problems were, i believe frank | 20:56 |
| @rizen | patching a bug in 7.4 but not backporting the fix to 7.3 | 20:56 |
| @rizen | and the last two were...i don't know who | 20:56 |
| @rizen | but both have to do with help | 20:56 |
| @rizen | one i18n file had a syntax error | 20:56 |
| @rizen | and now there's a related problem that we're trying to track down | 20:57 |
| @rizen | but having trouble with | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Need help? | 20:57 |
| @rizen | the output from the related test is not easy to follow | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | If you paste it, I can tell you what it means | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | ok 680 - Help entry: Asset -> asset template from Asset_Layout -> layout template | 20:58 |
| +perlDreamer | for example | 20:58 |
| @Haarg | not ok 164 - Help entry: Workflow_Activity_NotifyAdminsWithOpenVersionTags -> 'notify admins with open version tags' from Workflow_Activity -> list of installed activities | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | Ah. | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | That means that there is no help for NotifyAdminsWithOpenVersionTags | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | Since it's going away for 7.4, might not be a big deal | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | It was fixed in 7.4, before I chopped it out | 21:00 |
| @rizen | actually that workflow activity is not supposed to even be there | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Even easier | 21:02 |
| @rizen | colin | 21:25 |
| @rizen | we have a big problem | 21:25 |
| @rizen | with the related help test | 21:25 |
| @rizen | it's somehow pulling stuff in from 7.4 even though those files aren't in our tree | 21:25 |
| @rizen | on my machine it's complaining about Asset_Newsletter | 21:25 |
| @rizen | but that doesn't exist until 7.4 | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | what's your WEBGUI_CONFIG env var set to? | 21:26 |
| @rizen | does it cache anywhere? | 21:27 |
| @rizen | related.t? | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 21:27 |
| @rizen | the config var is set to the right place on both graham and my machines | 21:27 |
| @rizen | we're both getting different sets of errors | 21:27 |
| @rizen | even though at /data/WebGUI | 21:27 |
| @rizen | is our 7.3 branch | 21:27 |
| @rizen | on both machines | 21:27 |
| @rizen | i get: Failed test 'Help entry: Asset_Newsletter -> 'newsletter add/edit' from Asset -> asset list' | 21:27 |
| @rizen | and Failed test 'Help entry: Macro_Basic -> 'basic' from Macros -> macros list' | 21:28 |
| @rizen | he gets that other one he told you about | 21:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll see if I can duplicate it. | 21:28 |
| @rizen | i'm boggled | 21:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't get any errors. that's after updating | 21:29 |
| diakopter | rizen: maybe a 7.4 checkout is in PERL5LIB :/ try starting another shell? | 21:30 |
| @rizen | ok i'll try that | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | gtg, be back after lunch | 21:30 |
| @rizen | same errors in a new shell | 21:31 |
| @rizen | oh well, i think we're going to just release with this | 21:31 |
| @rizen | cuz it doesn't seem to be a real problem | 21:31 |
| @rizen | only a problem in the test suite on our boxes | 21:31 |
| diakopter | is svn status empty? | 21:31 |
| @rizen | yup | 21:31 |
| diakopter | hum | 21:31 |
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| @rizen | Khaytsus, how do you like PostNuke? | 21:35 |
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| pjesi | can someone point me to the 7.4 feature list? | 22:08 |
| @rizen | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt | 22:10 |
| pjesi | wow these nominees on SF, I have not heard about 90% | 22:11 |
| pjesi | thanks | 22:11 |
| pjesi | I only voted for Spring and WebGUI | 22:13 |
| pjesi | the rest either used PHP or is for Windows | 22:13 |
| Khaytsus | rizen: I don't.. heh.. | 22:14 |
| Khaytsus | rizen: It's a pain in the ass to keep up to date | 22:14 |
| @rizen | as a user of PostNuke is there anything it has over WebGUI? | 22:15 |
| @rizen | other than that it's easier to install | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: You can use PostNuke on a shared hoster? | 23:17 |
| @rizen | yup | 23:18 |
| @rizen | that's what i'm talking about with install stuff though | 23:18 |
| @rizen | php vs mod_perl | 23:18 |
| @rizen | not something i can do anything about | 23:18 |
| perlmonkey2 | php performance vs mod_perl | 23:30 |
| @rizen | pd you rule | 23:30 |
| @rizen | webgui is going to scream without all that help in memory | 23:30 |
| @rizen | now if we could just eliminate all labels from templates and use the i18n macro, we'd be sitting pretty | 23:33 |
| Khaytsus | rizen: Not really, only thing I can think of PostNuke might have is more themes readily availably. | 23:39 |
| Khaytsus | But that might be that I just haven't looked around as much ywet for WebGui themes. | 23:39 |
| Khaytsus | Sorry, working here, peep in every so often :) | 23:39 |
| * Khaytsus runs home | 23:39 | |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, I'm guessing we can drop another 2-3 Mb with the Asset docs and other stuff, but it's getting real lean. | 23:41 |
| @rizen | that's awesome | 23:41 |
| @rizen | it will drop our per process size by around 5mb | 23:41 |
| @rizen | that's a huge overall drop | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | It will be easier to maintain, too. Since it's smaller. | 23:43 |
| * SDuensin cheers for RAM savings! | 23:43 | |
| SDuensin | WebGUI's RAM use has been kicking my ass lately. That's fantastic news. | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | When I'm done with pruning, I'll run perltidy --WGBP on the Help and i18n files, too | 23:46 |
| SDuensin | Well, time to go home and work on my new WebGUI server! Later all! | 23:48 |
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| pjesi | "I can see that it is a step up for people whi have used various java based frameworks til now. But when you already have CGI::Builder, Catalyst, Maypole, or even webgui if you want to get really filthy ... why change?" | 23:49 |
| pjesi | from http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.309321.4 | 23:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, preaction, rizen: would someone please give spectre a kick on pb.com. | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | It's stuck again. | 00:52 |
| @preaction | sure | 00:52 |
| @preaction | wait, isn't that part of the fix in today's release? | 00:52 |
| @preaction | are they still releasing? | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | You'd sure think so :) | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know | 00:52 |
| @Haarg | the release is out | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | A bug was just submitted about plainblack emails not going out. | 00:53 |
| @preaction | Haarg, rizen, do you guys want to debug what's happening right now or can i just restart it? | 00:54 |
| @Haarg | let me take a look quick | 00:54 |
| @preaction | --status shows nothing, --test shows everything's fine | 00:55 |
| @Haarg | yeah, i'm not seeing anything in particular | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | for example, JT responded to Yung's post about file attachments | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I never got any emails. | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | And that's from the dev list. | 00:59 |
| @preaction | Haarg, the only thing i can think of is that the scheduled tasks stop getting run after X days (but only on pb.com? we haven't had anyone else see this error that I know of). perhaps the libs that Spectre::Cron rely on have been updated recently? | 01:01 |
| @preaction | nevermind, looks like Spectre::Cron is its own scheduler system entirely | 01:01 |
| @Haarg | it might be good to add something about cron jobs to --status | 01:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh look, a raft of PB emails! | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, guys | 01:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | You know, as much as I tout the test suite, y'all need to remind me that it's nowhere near totally comprehensive. | 02:00 |
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| +crythias | ... and then I said, "Compiler? But I hardly even know her!" | 02:18 |
| @preaction | uwah ha ha ha ha!!11 | 02:19 |
| +crythias | "Clergyperson: Then by the power vested in me by insert local credentializing agency here, I now pronounce you wooter and WiFi. You may now surf the Internet, download MP3s, make Internet phone calls, share files, play network games, and stream high-definition videos simultaneously, and without wires, as long as you both shall function." | 02:20 |
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| @rizen | crythias makes funny jokes | 16:25 |
| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:27 |
| AMH_bob | Good morning! | 16:32 |
| @rizen | AMH_bob is a liar. it's not morning where he is | 16:33 |
| AMH_bob | Nope, but it's morning somewhere! (I love that country song: It's five O'Clock somewhere) | 16:34 |
| @rizen | hehe | 16:34 |
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| mindspin | hi, I got a weird problem with webgui 5.8.8, when i type the url of the website, some virtual hosts work properly, some others work only when I type url/index.pl and some otehrs refuse to work, firefox is only asking wether it should download index.pl | 18:11 |
| perlmonkey2 | mindspin: Sounds like your webgui.conf for apache isn't set up right. You need to tell apache how to handle scripts in your /data dir. | 18:27 |
| mindspin | it came out of a sudden | 18:28 |
| mindspin | could it be that I editet with utf8, instead of iso blah charset? | 18:28 |
| mindspin | because the error log shows cryptic signs | 18:29 |
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| mindspin | like this: Undefined subroutine &Apache::Registry::handl | 18:29 |
| mindspin | it worked properly for three years, real weird thing | 18:30 |
| mindspin | perlmonkey2: I tried to add scriptURL=/ in webgui.conf but with no effect | 18:31 |
| perlmonkey2 | If it used to work and just now stopped, I'd roll back whatever changes you just made and also make sure there aren't encoding issues. | 18:31 |
| mindspin | I'll bet its encoding issues | 18:32 |
| mindspin | because only the suites where I uncommented Perl::Registry refuse to work | 18:32 |
| mindspin | I hate it | 18:33 |
| diakopter | mindspin: what editor were you using | 18:43 |
| mindspin | midnight commander | 18:43 |
| mindspin | actually I have a look at httpd.conf with vi | 18:45 |
| diakopter | ahhh.... good old mc. ick... I've had encoding problems with that built-in editor before. | 18:47 |
| mindspin | but vi shows no crypting chars | 18:48 |
| mindspin | now all pages work with URL/index.pl | 18:48 |
| mindspin | but not with just the url | 18:48 |
| mindspin | all sites i did not touch yesterday work fine... | 18:50 |
| diakopter | mindspin: are you restarting apache/mod_perl after these changes? | 18:50 |
| mindspin | yupp | 18:50 |
| diakopter | why did you uncomment Perl::Registry in those sites? | 18:51 |
| diakopter | (yesterday) | 18:51 |
| mindspin | it gave me internal server errors which needed rfreshing of the site... | 18:51 |
| mindspin | after uncommenting the errors did not appear anymore | 18:52 |
| mindspin | but wether uncommented or not, it has no effects, the site shows up only when I add /index.pl | 18:55 |
| mindspin | now I try some magic, I just change a working config of a garbage site and change the values to the paths of the site i need, I#ll bet its a coding issue | 19:00 |
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| mindspin | nope, magic doesnt do the trick | 19:08 |
| mindspin | hehe its not a webgui issue, its just firefox..... the sites work with konqueror, and IE, weird weird thing | 19:25 |
| diakopter | rizen: just got this in a spam: http://www.scriptlogic.com/landing/server%2Drockstar/ | 19:33 |
| @rizen | there are no original ideas left in the world | 19:35 |
| diakopter | nor memes! :) | 19:36 |
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| Dc5e | Has anyone tested the List Pending Transactions since 7.3.21? Supposedly it was fixed but it still does not seem to be working. | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | uh oh | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | What shows up in your webgui.log file? | 20:50 |
| Dc5e | uh hold on | 20:50 |
| Dc5e | main::[[undef]] - Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::Commerce::www_listPendingTransactions. Root cause: Can't locat | 20:52 |
| Dc5e | er hold on | 20:53 |
| Dc5e | main::[[undef]] - Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::Commerce::www_listPendingTransactions. Root cause: Can't locate object method "db" via package "WebGUI::Commerce::Transaction" at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Commerce/Transaction.pm line 478. | 20:53 |
| Dc5e | there we go | 20:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | Dc5e, are you comfortable with a text editor? | 20:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: how many more 7.3's are there going to be? | 20:57 |
| @preaction | i would hope we keep releasing bugfixes to 7.3 until 7.4 goes stable | 21:00 |
| * perlDreamer imagines rizen talking on the phone, looking longingly at his IRC client | 21:00 | |
| @preaction | he's trying to hire me some durned help around here | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | bah | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | When the Commerce gets rewritten in 7.(>4), I'm going to have a royal tizzy fit if we don't build a basic test suite to go with it. | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Dc5e: Here's the scoop. I don't have a way to sandbox the Commerce system during the day. So when I fixed the operation, it just allowed the next bug to be uncovered. | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I've found this bug, and have a prototype fix for it, but we're again in jeopardy of not having the final solution. | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | If you're willing, we can do this together. | 21:05 |
| Dc5e | sorry, i was busy doing something, i'm back now. | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | You willing to try a fix for me? | 21:06 |
| Dc5e | well, I'm kind of busy right now... | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | Would a time later today be better? | 21:08 |
| Dc5e | possibly | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | Alternately, I can give you the fix and let you try it (and downstream stuff) at your leisure | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | How does that sound | 21:09 |
| Dc5e | sure | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot pastebin | 21:10 |
| perlbot | (see paste) | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: paste | 21:10 |
| perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Dc5e: here's your patch http://sial.org/pbot/26409 | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll be afk for a while | 21:13 |
| Dc5e | okay, thanks | 21:13 |
| +perlDreamer | Please post back here if you have more problems, or better yet, file a bug | 21:13 |
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| Dc5e | perlDreamer, the patch worked. Thanks alot. | 21:44 |
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| @rizen | pd, there will be exactly 1 more 7.3 release | 21:51 |
| @rizen | next wednesday | 21:51 |
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| professorfrink_ | i'm running 7.3.19 and i'm having trouble with subscriptions to collaboration system - | 23:05 |
| professorfrink_ | in v6, when someone subscribed to a collab system, they got an email any time something was posted or changed | 23:05 |
| professorfrink_ | and this worked when we were running an earlier version of 7.3, but then it just stopped working | 23:06 |
| professorfrink_ | any thoughts? | 23:06 |
| @preaction | is spectre running? are there queued messages in the "mailQueue" table? | 23:06 |
| professorfrink_ | spectre is running, and we're not having any trouble with any other workflows | 23:08 |
| professorfrink_ | i'll check the mailqueue | 23:08 |
| professorfrink_ | it looks like the notification message is in the mailqueue tab | 23:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Dc5e: So is _everything_ working now, or do you just get the screen now? | 23:19 |
| @preaction | professorfrink_, what version are you running? it might be a good idea to kick spectre (rc.webgui restartspectre) | 23:19 |
| professorfrink_ | we're running 7.3.19 | 23:19 |
| professorfrink_ | i'll give it a shot | 23:21 |
| @preaction | looks like the fix for that isn't until 7.4 | 23:22 |
| professorfrink_ | hm | 23:31 |
| professorfrink_ | yea, restarting spectre didn't seem to help | 23:31 |
| professorfrink_ | so it seems like other people are having this problem, not just us? | 23:32 |
| @rizen | curl http://www.yoursite.com:81/?op=spectreGetSiteData | 23:39 |
| @rizen | run that from the command line | 23:39 |
| @rizen | and make sure it returns good data and no errors | 23:39 |
| professorfrink_ | looks good to me - returned a bunch of processes and workflows, but no errors | 23:44 |
| @rizen | excellent then that's not the problem | 23:45 |
| professorfrink_ | whoa - everything just came through | 23:48 |
| professorfrink_ | from the past 3 weeks when it wasn't working | 23:48 |
| professorfrink_ | looks like spectre just needed a kick in the pants | 23:50 |
| professorfrink_ | thanks for all the help! | 23:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | just be sure to use that trick only on spectre | 23:51 |
| professorfrink_ | for sure | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | using it on other things, (cars, dogs, etc.) is not guaranteed to work | 23:51 |
| professorfrink_ | haha | 23:51 |
| professorfrink_ | webgui IRC - not just webgui help, but life advice as well | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | We try to be a full service community | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Why, just last week rizen told me why the meringue weeps in my Lemon Meringue pie. | 23:52 |
| professorfrink_ | and i appreciate that | 23:52 |
| professorfrink_ | oooo | 23:52 |
| professorfrink_ | delightful | 23:52 |
| professorfrink_ | that was so nice of him | 23:54 |
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| professorfrink_ | i need to hang out more often.... | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Yeah, I never would have thought of Cream of Tartar as a binding agent. | 23:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | Go Haarg! | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Dude, you seem to be blessed. | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Whenever I fix bugs, people keep reporting more | 00:04 |
| @Haarg | heh | 00:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | ++bug | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | karma bug | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: karma bug | 01:13 |
| perlbot | Karma for bug: 1 | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: karma bugs | 01:13 |
| perlbot | Karma for bugs: -2 | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | --but | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | --bug | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | ++bugs | 01:13 |
| @rizen | are you drunk? | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | no, just misspelling | 01:13 |
| * diakopter is crunk | 01:13 | |
| +perlDreamer | I closed a WebGUI.org bug because it appeared to go away | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Well, now it's back. | 01:14 |
| @Haarg | maybe i screwed it up when i fixed the other issue with those lists | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | It isn't a recent reoccurance, it's been a while. | 01:20 |
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| l-e-o-n | where can i find the virtual hosts for the awstats and how can i disable the demo in wre 0.7.2 | 15:37 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:00 |
| l-e-o-n | hey SDuensin | 16:02 |
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| @rizen | l-e-o-n, both are in /data/wre/etc | 16:28 |
| SDuensin | Hey rizen | 16:35 |
| @rizen | how goes it SD? | 16:36 |
| SDuensin | Pretty well. Got both my servers on the same release of WG last night and transferred all the web data over. Took forever. :-) | 16:37 |
| SDuensin | But now I'm ready to install everything and then resync the databases. Hopefully that'll fix my never ending RAM issues. | 16:38 |
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| AMH_bob | Good afternoon (Better late than never!) | 17:33 |
| SDuensin | Hey AMH_bob | 17:36 |
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| +crythias | ... and then the ghost said, "Give me a beer... and a mop!" | 17:44 |
| AMH_bob | Hi Scott, I'm on duty this weekend - I'm going to try keeping the serverparc up using a nokia 770 instead of my laptop | 17:44 |
| +crythias | nokia 770 rocks | 17:44 |
| +crythias | thanks woot! | 17:44 |
| SDuensin | :-) | 17:44 |
| AMH_bob | uh-uh | 17:44 |
| AMH_bob | It's like... so cool dude | 17:45 |
| +crythias | I can't believe what convenience it is. | 17:45 |
| +crythias | except that rdesktop needs bt kbd | 17:45 |
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| AMH_bob | yeah, a mini bluetooth keyboard would be welcome (if real server problems arise) | 17:46 |
| +crythias | I wish I got this one http://www.proporta.com/F02/PPF02P05.php?t_id=1461&t_mode=des | 17:47 |
| +crythias | This would be nice, too. http://freedominput.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=30 | 17:52 |
| diakopter | wooton | 17:53 |
| AMH_bob | Yep, that freedom thing is going onto my wishlist. | 18:03 |
| AMH_bob | To everybody: have a nice weekend! | 18:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | Is rizen going to be around today? | 19:19 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, no, he's out today | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm probably going to be able to finish up the Help hacking today | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Step 2 is what to do with all the Help icons. | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Where do they link to? | 19:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | boy, we have a lot of Assets | 22:34 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin: for 64-bit WRE, I think ckotil has done a lot of work on that. | 22:35 |
| SDuensin | Be nice to have one. | 22:36 |
| SDuensin | For now, I've made the 32 bit RHEL one run. | 22:37 |
| SDuensin | In fact, I *just* moved all my sites. :-) | 22:37 |
| +perlDreamer | were you having problems with the ftp client? | 22:37 |
| +perlDreamer | compiling it? | 22:37 |
| SDuensin | I don't remember. I had a ton of things that wouldn't build. | 22:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I know you're already all set up, but if you get interested, I think the answers are in the IRC logs and the discussion boards. | 22:38 |
| SDuensin | Logs maybe. I didn't see anything in the forums. Well, nothing newer than WRE 6. | 22:39 |
| +perlDreamer | might have been on the paid support forums, but I don't remember. | 22:39 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil: ping. Yo! You around? | 22:40 |
| +perlDreamer | nope, not today. | 22:40 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 22:40 |
| SDuensin | I had some kind of paid support. No idea what it was - doesn't seem to be an option anymore. | 22:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, got a sec? | 01:58 |
| @preaction | pourquoi? | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Do mulitple versions of the same asset have different assetIds? | 01:59 |
| @preaction | no | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I didn't think so. | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | Same asset can have different URLs, though | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm trying to understand the logic behind Asset->urlExists | 02:01 |
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| +crythias | so, I've been thinking about Schriedinger's cat | 21:42 |
| +crythias | s/chri/chro | 21:42 |
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| diakopter | crythias: is it for sale or something? | 00:01 |
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| wgGuest51 | Question : Is it possible to setup WebGUI on a shared hosting site? | 09:59 |
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| wgGuest04 | Does anyone know where a requirements list might be for installing WebGUI? | 10:06 |
| wgGuest04 | Nevermind, found it. There really should be a page instead of only in the wiki though. o.o | 10:08 |
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| -!- Radix-wrk changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.3.20 | WRE 0.7.2 ] .:. Come To The WUC http://www.plainblack.com/wuc .:. Feel free to ask questions on here - but make sure you stick around long enough for us to answer! :) | 10:31 | |
| @preaction | tomorrow starts the amateur air show in the country, 5 miles away from where i'm sitting, trying to sleep. the tourists have already arrived to wreak havoc on this small city of 60,000 people. | 10:46 |
| @preaction | i feel sorry for our service industry... | 10:46 |
| +Radix-wrk | good luck! :) | 11:43 |
| +Radix-wrk | I | 11:43 |
| +Radix-wrk | I'd be worrying about my house being crashed into by one of the amateur pilots myself! :) | 11:44 |
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| +crythias | hrm | 15:33 |
| +crythias | HI, et al. | 15:33 |
| +crythias | I was thinking about the AssetProxy being added to the rich editor. | 15:35 |
| +crythias | Radix__ you there? | 15:36 |
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| Radix__ | yeah | 16:21 |
| +crythias | just was | 16:25 |
| +crythias | sorry | 16:25 |
| +crythias | was thinking about the process to put an asset in rich editor | 16:26 |
| Radix__ | Rizen doesn't seem to think it's possible, and closed my request | 16:27 |
| Radix__ | not without simply embedding assetproxy calls and then not displaying the image at all | 16:27 |
| +crythias | It seems to me that if the edit screen is more like a ... what is that thing... | 16:27 |
| +crythias | I want to say "desktop" but I mean something else. | 16:28 |
| Radix__ | viewer? | 16:28 |
| +crythias | but what if the edit screen was more like a page layout admin mode rather than the way it is, now. | 16:28 |
| +crythias | there's this asset that allows you to move chunks of content around. | 16:29 |
| +crythias | kinda like a mini portal | 16:29 |
| Radix__ | I think it's more the way the rich text editor interacts with webgui | 16:29 |
| Radix__ | and how the data is passed around that is the problem | 16:29 |
| Radix__ | webgui kinda dumps the html out and sends it to the rich text editor, then gets it back at the end | 16:30 |
| Radix__ | with images there is some kind of interaction with webgui going on, but the rte still needs valid html to work with | 16:31 |
| Radix__ | what you want is some kind of special object reference that gets interpreted the right way to the rte and to webgui when it gets the data back at the end | 16:32 |
| +crythias | dashboard | 16:32 |
| SDuensin | Morning! | 16:32 |
| +crythias | morning | 16:32 |
| Radix__ | evenin ;) | 16:32 |
| AMH_bob | Afternoon! | 16:32 |
| SDuensin | Hehehe | 16:32 |
| +crythias | we need a java WYSIWYG that handles the requests better. or perhaps a AJAX-like request/retrieval | 16:33 |
| Radix__ | Hey bob - how's the weather in nl atm? :) | 16:33 |
| AMH_bob | it has rained and its a 17C/63F out there... | 16:35 |
| * Radix__ will make sure he brings his raincoat when he goes there next weekend. | 16:35 | |
| AMH_bob | but I only get to go outside 40 feet to the car and 20 feet from the car to the house..... so it's not that big a deal to me :P | 16:36 |
| Radix__ | heh | 16:36 |
| Radix__ | it's flooding down here at the moment | 16:36 |
| AMH_bob | Radix, are you comming over? Gonna be in the neighbourhood of Eindhoven? | 16:37 |
| Radix__ | but then it's winter for us, so we expect it :) | 16:37 |
| Radix__ | AMH_bob: Yup, as of Sunday I leave wet and rainy australia and head north to europe for a couple of months. Spending two weeks with Oqapi in Delft, then head off on holidays to see the rest of europe :) | 16:38 |
| AMH_bob | Cool, I'll send you my home and office details, jist in case you have time to kill or if you need help with anything. | 16:42 |
| Radix__ | cool | 16:44 |
| SDuensin | Anyone ever have the WRE go nuts and eat all the CPU time? | 16:44 |
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| pjesi | SDuensin: yes please | 16:59 |
| SDuensin | Please? You want it to go nuts? | 17:01 |
| pjesi | hehe no, but I have to restart WRE frequently because of this | 17:17 |
| SDuensin | That's not good. I need to fix it. | 17:18 |
| pjesi | I know | 17:19 |
| pjesi | actually it is the admins job | 17:20 |
| pjesi | and he insisted on this | 17:20 |
| SDuensin | Well, for me, the sad thing is - *I'M* the admin! | 17:20 |
| pjesi | :) | 17:21 |
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| SDuensin | Trouble has arrived! | 17:21 |
| pjesi | make sure to highlight me if you find something interesting | 17:21 |
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| diakopter | welcome, perlDreamer. WebGUI is web done right. | 18:18 |
| +perlDreamer | Good morning, all. | 18:18 |
| +perlDreamer | We're reporting live from OSCON. | 18:18 |
| diakopter | OSCON 2007, that is. | 18:18 |
| +perlDreamer | Please forward all questions to the moderator, and we'll answer them on a one by one basis. | 18:18 |
| diakopter | not any past or future ones. | 18:18 |
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| @rizen | what sessions are you guys in right now? | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | Advanced VIM Scripting | 18:31 |
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| @rizen | ask if there is a way to start vim in edit mode | 18:31 |
| @rizen | for example, when vim is set as your subversion editor | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | There's gotta be a way to do that, because that's how diakopter's vim starts | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | he asked me if there was a way to turn it off :) | 18:33 |
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| +Radix_ | rizen: vim -y | 19:05 |
| +Radix_ | it puts vi in a wierd mode tho.. you need to use ctrl-l to get it into command mode | 19:09 |
| +Radix_ | also called evim | 19:09 |
| +Radix_ | http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/starting.html#evim-keys | 19:09 |
| @rizen | what i'm looking for is just to execute i as soon as vim opens | 19:18 |
| @rizen | i don't want to be in a special mode | 19:18 |
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| diakopter | rizen: http://www.vim.org/tips/tip.php?tip_id=297 | 19:21 |
| diakopter | or, alias vim=vim -c 'startinsert' | 19:23 |
| diakopter | I mean, alias vim="vim -c 'startinsert'" | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: just committed a fix to the bug we discussed earlier. | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll work on the backport next | 19:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | backport done | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | in vim, you can use :match to debug regular expressions | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | It will show you what part of the text matches your regex | 19:49 |
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| wgGuest24 | nick todor_k | 21:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | full house today | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | So now I'm in Advanced Techniques for Parsing | 23:33 |
| diakopter | full here as well. "A Taste of Haskell" | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I saw your room. There are more people in the channel ;) | 23:34 |
| diakopter | barely any seats open here now | 23:34 |
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| +crythias | Error Message: Your Password Must Be at Least 18770 Characters and Cannot Repeat Any of Your Previous 30689 Passwords | 23:54 |
| +crythias | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q276304/ | 23:55 |
| +crythias | and because of this, we learn of the msgina .dll | 23:55 |
| +crythias | gtg | 23:55 |
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| diakopter | ohhhh; pronounced Ms. Jyna. I get it now. | 00:03 |
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| danny_mk | Interesting behavior! | 00:26 |
| danny_mk | try this: http://www.yournewwebguiinstallation.com/faq | 00:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | I was going to ask last week, is anyone else going to OSCON? | 01:16 |
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| @preaction | when i'm managing revisions in a tag that has a workflow instance, will i be allowed to approve/deny tags that have already been approved/denied by some other user? | 01:53 |
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| AMH_bob | Goodmorning, your ealy! | 12:27 |
| xootom | morning amh_bob! which country are you in? | 12:41 |
| AMH_bob | The Netherlands | 12:49 |
| AMH_bob | Nice and rainy over here... | 12:49 |
| xootom | ahh over in the uk here, yes it's been very wet | 12:59 |
| pjesi | it is sunny here in the uk | 13:03 |
| xootom | yeah it's nice today, where abouts are you pjesi | 13:10 |
| pjesi | oxford | 13:13 |
| pjesi | I walked down to Thames last night, man it was a lot of water! | 13:13 |
| xootom | i was going to say, wasn't that one of the flooded areas? | 13:13 |
| pjesi | Some of the roads near Thames were closed yesterday, I don't know how bad it was | 13:14 |
| +Radix_ | it's been raining cats and dogs here too! | 13:57 |
| +Radix_ | We had a section of our office flooded overnight | 13:57 |
| +Radix_ | No serious damage tho.. just wet carpets - had huge industrial dryers drying out the carpet all day | 13:58 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:36 |
| @rizen | salutations | 16:24 |
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| SDuensin | Hey rizen | 16:26 |
| @rizen | straw SD | 16:27 |
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| AMH_bob | Hi Guys | 16:58 |
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| chatito28 | Good morning .. i have a question. I setup up webgui 7.3.21 from scratch and i am able to get my page through port 81 but not port 80 | 17:02 |
| chatito28 | what do i need to do | 17:02 |
| chatito28 | i get a mssg configure awstats.newweb.conf | 17:02 |
| chatito28 | anybody can help me | 17:08 |
| @rizen | mv awstats.newweb.conf awstats.newweb.conf.off | 17:09 |
| @rizen | restart web | 17:09 |
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| chatito28 | sorry but now i get the stats when i type http://newweb | 17:21 |
| @rizen | oops, told you to rename the wrong file | 17:22 |
| @rizen | meant stats.modproxy | 17:22 |
| chatito28 | so it should be stats.modproxy.off | 17:23 |
| @rizen | y | 17:24 |
| @rizen | anybody know if there are stylesheet properties i could use to lock a div to the lower right corner of a window regardless of whether the window scrolls or not? | 17:25 |
| chatito28 | now i get a bad gateway error | 17:26 |
| SDuensin | I think there are. Don't ask me what they might be though. | 17:26 |
| chatito28 | 502 Bad Gateway | 17:26 |
| @rizen | chatito28, that's all i can tell you. for more contact plainblack support | 17:26 |
| chatito28 | thanks for the help | 17:35 |
| chatito28 | i have karmas .. how do i contact support | 17:35 |
| @rizen | do you have a support contract? | 17:39 |
| @rizen | if not, go to plainblack.com > store > support | 17:39 |
| chatito28 | thanks | 17:42 |
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| @preaction | anyone in here ever notice a problem with empty version tags from users (who should have their stuff auto-committed)? | 18:00 |
| @rizen | i have seen that on occasion, but have not been able to determine what causes it | 18:01 |
| @rizen | i've only ever seen it on one site though, so i thought it might be site related | 18:02 |
| @preaction | which site? the alumni site? they seem to have it happen rather often | 18:02 |
| @rizen | cmsmatrix.org | 18:02 |
| @preaction | interesting | 18:02 |
| @rizen | it never seems to happen on plainblack.com even though we have a lot of people posting there all the time | 18:03 |
| @preaction | perhaps all the people posting there are speaking UTF-8? | 18:07 |
| @preaction | or, the postings aren't subject to approval | 18:07 |
| @preaction | whereas the ones on the alumni site and the cmsmatrix are | 18:07 |
| @rizen | on plainblack.com only the news page is subject to approval | 18:11 |
| @rizen | on cmsmatrix.org only the news page is subject to approval | 18:11 |
| @preaction | doesn't cmsmatrix.org allow anyone to post news though? whereas plainblack only allows us? | 18:13 |
| @rizen | nope, anyone can post news on plainblack.com | 18:14 |
| @rizen | just mostly people don't | 18:15 |
| @preaction | side-note: is anyone allowed to post news to webgui.org? | 18:15 |
| @rizen | it's the same site | 18:16 |
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| @rizen | nuba, how's the google maps thing? | 19:48 |
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| cryolai | anybody have any idea when the commerce module will be updated with a new version? | 20:33 |
| @rizen | 7.5 or beyond | 20:34 |
| @rizen | meaning, not in the next few months | 20:34 |
| @rizen | bug-- | 20:40 |
| @preaction | woot | 20:40 |
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| SDuensin | When do we get to start seeing the slimmer, nicer to my RAM, WebGUI? :-) | 20:47 |
| @rizen | 7.4 | 20:47 |
| @rizen | when it is released | 20:47 |
| @rizen | and i've already stated the release date on the dev mailing list | 20:47 |
| SDuensin | Well, get typin'! I need it! :-) | 20:47 |
| @preaction | hold yer horses | 20:48 |
| SDuensin | My horses are swappin' like mad! :-P | 20:49 |
| @preaction | there are so many new features in 7.4, we have to ensure they all get in | 20:49 |
| cryolai | are there any order details that can be seen other than the item bought in the commerce section? | 20:53 |
| cryolai | such as CC #'s, buyers, etc | 20:53 |
| @preaction | cryolai, which version? i believe there was a bug fixed in commerce for this wednesday's release that fixed the View Pending transactions | 20:54 |
| cryolai | the latest version... | 20:54 |
| @rizen | cryolai: you can never view cc numbers, that would be a big security problem | 20:55 |
| cryolai | the view pending doesn't really show any pertinent details | 20:55 |
| @rizen | but you can see what items were purchased, and the total purchase amount, and what user made the purchase | 20:55 |
| @rizen | and when you log in to the itransact account you can see other things like whether it was purchased with a visa/mastercard, etc | 20:56 |
| @rizen | but in general, the commerce system is bare bones right now. it's fine for small stores, but it needs a major upgrade to do fancy stuff | 20:56 |
| @rizen | and that's all coming in later 7.x releases | 20:56 |
| cryolai | where does it show which user made the purchase? | 21:01 |
| cryolai | pending transactions shows transactionID, date, gatewayID... | 21:02 |
| @rizen | my mistake, it is supposed to show that in the list transactions screen | 21:03 |
| @rizen | that's a bug | 21:03 |
| cryolai | oh alright | 21:04 |
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| cryolai | so, does that mean that iTransact will have all the CC information? | 21:16 |
| cryolai | or no | 21:16 |
| @rizen | it has their credit card info, but you are not allowed to see it | 21:16 |
| @rizen | again, that would be a security flaw | 21:16 |
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| cryolai | so..how do you access the contact information that they provided in the form (such as an address for shipping) | 21:39 |
| cryolai | or that is a security issue as well | 21:39 |
| @rizen | i just told you, that's a bug | 21:39 |
| @rizen | it's being worked on as we speak | 21:40 |
| cryolai | oh, okay, sorry | 21:40 |
| @rizen | you should see the user that made the purchase in the transaction list | 21:40 |
| @rizen | and then you can view their address info | 21:40 |
| @rizen | although, you can probably also see that in your iTransact account if you want | 21:40 |
| @Haarg | i have that fixed now. it will show the user in the transaction lists. | 22:19 |
| @rizen | note, that fix will be in 7.3.22 | 22:20 |
| cryolai | when is that coming out? | 22:32 |
| cryolai | tmorrow? :) | 22:33 |
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| @rizen | sometime on wednesday | 22:40 |
| @rizen | it may be wednesday night, so its probably safer to tell you thursday | 22:40 |
| cryolai | awesome | 22:47 |
| cryolai | Thanks for your help | 23:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: no need to forward port the Asset Template help to 7.4. It was deleted. | 00:12 |
| @Haarg | hmm | 00:12 |
| @Haarg | i did that by accident | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Deleted as part of the Great Help purge of 2007 | 00:12 |
| @Haarg | didn't think i committed it | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | You didn't, I was just being proactive. | 00:12 |
| @Haarg | ok :) | 00:13 |
| @preaction | Help purge? this is a witch hunt! cossacks! | 00:13 |
| @preaction | help help its being repressed! | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | svn del Help/Asset_preaction.pm | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | svn commit -m 'For the greater good' | 00:14 |
| @preaction | is there any way to prevent some text from being wiki-linked? | 00:14 |
| @preaction | i think not yet, right? | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Not unless you misspell it. | 00:14 |
| @Haarg | put it in an anchor would work | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | In Kwiki-ese, you mean something like !ThisIsNotAWikiLink | 00:15 |
| @preaction | a named anchor? that's evil | 00:15 |
| @preaction | basically, yeah | 00:15 |
| @Haarg | yeah, that's only appropriate in certain places | 00:15 |
| @preaction | i'm almost thinking we'll need to move towards adding wiki-markup for the linking feature :( | 00:15 |
| @preaction | [[wikilink]] [[!don't wiki link this you git]] | 00:16 |
| * rizen mumbles something about how he hates wiki markup | 00:18 | |
| +perlDreamer | Maybe a noLInker plugin to the RTE? | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | inbetween the words may do it, since its regexp based. | 00:19 |
| @rizen | why would you not want to link it if the title exists? | 00:19 |
| @rizen | give me a reason | 00:19 |
| @preaction | it's linking the France part of Francesca because there's a "France" article | 00:20 |
| @rizen | bs...then create a Francesca article | 00:20 |
| @preaction | but they don't want Francesca to be an article | 00:21 |
| @rizen | or link to an external page that is related to francesca | 00:21 |
| @preaction | it's just the name of a person, can't link to her profile because (probably) it's private | 00:21 |
| @preaction | (if she even has a profile) | 00:21 |
| @rizen | sorry, i just don't see it as being a problem | 00:22 |
| @rizen | why don't you submit and RFE and see if people agree with you | 00:36 |
| @rizen | if it gets moved up toward the top of the list i'll be forced to change my mind | 00:36 |
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| @preaction | just the problem or my proposed solution? i could try to take some time to understand the TinyMCE enough to integrate some sort of WYSIWYG way to manipulate wiki linking (as well as handy show-auto-linking-as-you-type) | 00:38 |
| @preaction | probably a better solution, if possible, but far more difficult | 00:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: how about anchoring the regexp's with \b to enforce whole word matching? | 01:15 |
| @preaction | change all the spaces in the title we're trying to match against to \b\s+\b ? | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | no, see line 100 in Asset/Wobject/WikiMaster.pm | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | it builds that gnarly regexp then joins them with |'s | 01:17 |
| @Haarg | the problem with that is linking plurals and such | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | you'd lose linking to plurals | 01:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | There's a wiki whose markup is POD... | 01:42 |
| @preaction | yeah, not so much | 01:44 |
| @preaction | we don't need to replace anything that HTML can already do | 01:45 |
| SDuensin | ReHi | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | howdy | 01:51 |
| SDuensin | Poo. I was hoping someone was industrious and added a memory reduction page to the wiki. :-) | 02:02 |
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| @preaction | what's the Graphics admin panel used for? | 10:34 |
| @preaction | there's an entire admin panel that i've never used and is completely undocumented | 10:34 |
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| +Radix-wrk | preaction: it's used for graphs in polls | 10:49 |
| @preaction | that would explain it | 10:49 |
| @preaction | okay, ethical question: should I confront a committer about their blatant disregard for the WebGUI Best Practices? | 11:07 |
| +Radix-wrk | lol | 11:13 |
| +Radix-wrk | Sure, but be nice and helpful too, whoever it is is still contributing! | 11:13 |
| @preaction | second question: what if it's JT? | 11:14 |
| +Radix-wrk | haha... then drop the nice and helpful bit - just tell him ;) | 11:15 |
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| SDuensin | Kinda good morning. | 17:02 |
| @rizen | would be better if preaction wasn't always dissing me | 17:05 |
| SDuensin | You probably deserve it for something. :-) | 17:06 |
| SDuensin | We still love ya though. | 17:06 |
| SDuensin | I'd love you a lot more if my server quit running it's load up to 35+ when WebGUI is running. :-( | 17:07 |
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| @rizen | is it my fault that you've set up webgui on a woefully underpowered box? | 17:12 |
| SDuensin | Thing is, it's not. I have a dual core AMD 64 bit thing with a gig of RAM. | 17:23 |
| SDuensin | I have a sinking feeling it's the "64 bit" part. Since it's hosted, I don't have a choice of OSs. | 17:24 |
| @rizen | holy balls man. then ram is not your problem, unless the site is just being flooded with thousands and thousands of requests | 17:24 |
| xootom | i was really worried about running webgui on my server, but it performs really well, only 1gb and that's shared with 3 other apaches running metadot, php4 and php5 | 17:24 |
| SDuensin | Nope. It's sitting bored. Maybe four people on it. | 17:24 |
| @rizen | it's either the 64-bit part, or it's not configured very well | 17:24 |
| @rizen | what does your /data/wre/prereqs/apache/conf/startup.pl look like? | 17:25 |
| SDuensin | What's to configure? It's the WRE. I even went in and trimmed down the RAM settings like I did on my old server. | 17:25 |
| xootom | mine was originally 64 bit but i abandoned and reimaged with 32 bit, 64 bit had far too many issues with things not compiling or not available | 17:25 |
| @rizen | even with the WRE there is some tuning that can be done to suit the given environment | 17:25 |
| @rizen | the WRE is configured as well as it can be without knowing the environment | 17:26 |
| SDuensin | I changed startup.pl to this: | 17:26 |
| SDuensin | $Apache2::SizeLimit::MAX_PROCESS_SIZE = 50000; | 17:26 |
| SDuensin | $Apache2::SizeLimit::MAX_UNSHARED_SIZE = 25000; | 17:26 |
| SDuensin | $Apache2::SizeLimit::CHECK_EVERY_N_REQUESTS = 5; | 17:26 |
| @rizen | those are way too low | 17:26 |
| @rizen | i bet if you look at your modperl error log | 17:26 |
| @rizen | you'll see that the processes are being killed after serving just one or two requests | 17:27 |
| SDuensin | I can put them back where they were. Doesn't seem to matter. | 17:27 |
| @rizen | look at your modperl error log | 17:27 |
| SDuensin | Yea. It's mad. Oddly, it also has errors that fork() doesn't have enough memory. | 17:29 |
| SDuensin | I'll put 'em back to 100000 and 75000. | 17:29 |
| @rizen | yeah, and then see what the log says | 17:30 |
| SDuensin | So when does the "Moron's Guide to WebGUI Administration" get released? :-) | 17:30 |
| @rizen | when i'm done writing it | 17:30 |
| SDuensin | OK, now to sit and watch "top" for awhile. :-D | 17:33 |
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| SDuensin | What should the perms under /data/domains look like? | 18:16 |
| @rizen | the uploads folder for each site should be owned recursively by nobody | 18:17 |
| @rizen | other than that it doesn't matter much as long as the web server can get to the uploads folder | 18:17 |
| @rizen | and write logs in the logs folder | 18:18 |
| SDuensin | Thanks | 18:19 |
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| @rizen | nuba, how is the google maps thing coming? | 19:04 |
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| SDuensin | IT'S DOING IT! httpd is freaking out again. Load is 17. WTF?! | 23:01 |
| @rizen | look in modperl error log? | 23:02 |
| SDuensin | I have one httpd process from the WRE that has 87.5% of my RAM. | 23:02 |
| @rizen | do you have wre monitor configured? | 23:02 |
| SDuensin | Pretty sure I do. | 23:03 |
| SDuensin | Wide character in print at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/Output.pm line 96. | 23:03 |
| SDuensin | Out of memory! | 23:03 |
| SDuensin | [Mon Jul 23 20:41:11 2007] [notice] child pid 10138 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) | 23:03 |
| SDuensin | Out of memory! | 23:03 |
| SDuensin | I also get these in the modproxy log: | 23:04 |
| SDuensin | [Mon Jul 23 21:00:51 2007] [error] [client 66.249.65.11] proxy: error reading status line from remote server www.kevinmhuntfoundation.org | 23:04 |
| SDuensin | [Mon Jul 23 21:00:52 2007] [error] [client 66.249.65.11] proxy: Error reading from remote server returned by /guestbook/memoriallog | 23:04 |
| @rizen | that's definitely not good, but i don't know what could be causing it | 23:05 |
| @rizen | could be the 64-bit stuff like you said | 23:05 |
| @rizen | we don't have any 64bit boxes to play with it on | 23:05 |
| SDuensin | Apparently someone tried to upload using the filepile. But just a single image. | 23:05 |
| @rizen | you could use a script like this set up to run once a minute in your crontab to kill the runaways | 23:06 |
| @rizen | http://pastebin.com/m69085e6a | 23:06 |
| @rizen | that's really only a short term bandaid | 23:06 |
| SDuensin | mem > 5 is 5% ? | 23:06 |
| @rizen | but it's something | 23:07 |
| @rizen | yeah | 23:07 |
| SDuensin | I know. Something is much appreciated. | 23:07 |
| @rizen | we use a script like that on servers with custom code in case the custom code causes any memory problems | 23:07 |
| SDuensin | SONOFA(%#*#(!@ | 23:07 |
| SDuensin | So what if wremonitor *isn't* running? Grrr. | 23:08 |
| @rizen | wremonitor just checks stuff to make sure it's alive once in a while, and restarts it if it isn't | 23:08 |
| @rizen | it's a good thing to run, but you don't have to | 23:08 |
| SDuensin | k | 23:08 |
| SDuensin | Well, *all* my crontab stuff for WebGUI was commented out. :-( | 23:08 |
| @rizen | likewise, even if it is running, but wremonitor can't connect it will restart the service | 23:09 |
| SDuensin | Still gonna toss in the script you gave me. | 23:09 |
| @rizen | yeah...we run them both on the servers where we're worried about runaways | 23:10 |
| @rizen | you might need to tweak that script i gave you though | 23:10 |
| @rizen | cuz it uses top | 23:10 |
| @rizen | and top's output is a little different on different platforms | 23:10 |
| SDuensin | k | 23:10 |
| SDuensin | Wow. Nice regex. | 23:14 |
| @rizen | sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do | 23:14 |
| SDuensin | We need to get you a 64 bit box for the next WRE. | 23:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | hey, all! | 23:29 |
| SDuensin | Hey | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | What's happening in the WebGUI world? | 23:32 |
| SDuensin | It's running wild! It's consuming everything in sight! Save the children! | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | heh | 23:38 |
| SDuensin | Something in the WRE is mad about running on x64. Dunno WTF is going on. | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | we need someone to volunteer an x64 box for WRE testing. | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | build/compile/etc. | 23:41 |
| SDuensin | If I can find one, it's all yours. I'm just a bit low on extra hardware at the moment. | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | They're not cheap, that's for sure. | 23:43 |
| SDuensin | They're not exactly expensive either. | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you mean a dedicated box, or shared, or VPS'ed? | 23:45 |
| SDuensin | I mean just to buy one and set it up under a desk somewhere. | 23:46 |
| SDuensin | About $300 on NewEgg to build a cheap one. | 23:52 |
| SDuensin | I'll poke around. Maybe I can dig one up. | 23:52 |
| SDuensin | However, for now, I'm going home. Later all! | 23:52 |
| SDuensin | Thanks again, rizen - you rock! | 23:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, Haarg: I'm building a new form for additional databaseLink parameters. I was planning on using a 1 per line syntax. Do you know if I have to handle Windows newlines as well as Unix newlines, or am I safe using Unix newlines? | 00:12 |
| @preaction | i'd probably go so far as to use JSON inside, or Storable qw(nfreeze), or something less plain-text | 00:13 |
| @preaction | but why aren't we normalizing it? | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | Normalizing it? | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | Teach me, Obi-wan | 00:14 |
| @preaction | one column for each value | 00:15 |
| @preaction | instead of storing data structures in the database that need to be translated somehow | 00:15 |
| @preaction | i mean, sure, we can perform regex matches to attempt to parse the datastructures using SQL queries, but that's just crazy | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Then you'd have to add them dynamically as the user adds more parameters. | 00:16 |
| @preaction | what are these parameters being used for? | 00:17 |
| @preaction | and the new userProfileData table does exactly that | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | DatabaseLink, additional db parameters | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | If it was generalized, I'd be happy to plug it into a new table | 00:17 |
| @preaction | parameters like what? more options to DBI->connect perhaps? | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | LongReadLen, LongTruncOK | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | See SQL.pm, sub connect for examples. | 00:18 |
| @preaction | somethink like that might be best served using JSON (then you can just jsonToObj, add the other params, and send it right to SQL->connect | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | So the user will enter JSON into a text box for additional parameters? | 00:21 |
| @preaction | no, how the user does it is up to you | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Well, that's what I started out asking. About line endings. | 00:23 |
| @preaction | i'd imagine that a little javascript app would be best, with a list of param names and have them enter the value | 00:24 |
| @preaction | but i think apache translates line endings for you | 00:24 |
| * preaction gotta go look at house | 00:24 | |
| +perlDreamer | Good luck. and thanks for your help | 00:25 |
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| @rizen | wahooo!!! wikis have attachmetns | 01:30 |
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| @preaction | rizen, is it alright to re-write your code for workflow/form helpers that requires turning off strictures with code that uses UNIVERSAL->can to get a reference to the subroutine? (we'll be able to detect if the sub exists before we try to call it) | 03:33 |
| @preaction | also, is the www_spectreStatus in WebGUI::Operation::Spectre supposed to only allow people in the spectre subnets to see spectre's status via the admin console? | 03:34 |
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| wgGuest07 | hello? | 03:54 |
| @preaction | hello | 03:54 |
| @Haarg | hello | 03:54 |
| wgGuest07 | oh hi. I think I've talked with preaction before... | 03:55 |
| wgGuest07 | I'm really stuck on something. I thought it was the lack of sleep, but I've duplicated it several times and I think Ifoudn a bug with 7.2.1 | 03:55 |
| wgGuest07 | Oh and Hi Haarg! | 03:55 |
| @preaction | that's to be expected, there's been at least a hundred bugs fixed since 7.2.1 was released | 03:56 |
| wgGuest07 | So. I've created a folder and then file piled images up. Like 50-80 of them | 03:56 |
| wgGuest07 | I then reference their url in an http proxied page | 03:56 |
| wgGuest07 | I think I have 7.2.1, but I'd have to vpn to find out... | 03:56 |
| wgGuest07 | and the image won't show up in the http proxy page. UNLESS I go to the image, edit it and save it without making changes | 03:57 |
| @preaction | 7.3.22 was released today, so you'd have to reproduce there before we could do anything. http://demo.webgui.org <- if you can reproduce on a demo site, we can help you more | 03:57 |
| wgGuest07 | it's weird. but I've done it several times. | 03:57 |
| wgGuest07 | so my question is. I can deal with the bug fine, but I really don't want to modify all these images | 03:57 |
| wgGuest07 | is there an fla being set when I "save" the image that I can set via SQL? | 03:58 |
| @Haarg | is this a problem with thumbnails? | 03:59 |
| wgGuest07 | nope. I'm referencing the imges them selves. | 03:59 |
| wgGuest07 | I've even looked to see if they were in the uplaod directory and they are. | 03:59 |
| @preaction | their webgui URL or their url in the /uploads/XX/XX/XXXXXXXXX... | 03:59 |
| wgGuest07 | I reference the webgui URL in the http proxied page. | 03:59 |
| wgGuest07 | but eiher url (webgui or the uploads) will produce a 404 error unless I resave the image (without changing anything) | 04:00 |
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| wgGuest07 | I should be a little more specific. I've I put the webgui or upload url in the address box in my broswer (forget the proxy page) I get a 404. | 04:02 |
| wgGuest07 | geez I type to fast. hopefully people understood me. | 04:03 |
| @preaction | is that after you commit the changes? there seems to be an unspecific "Storage bug" fixed in 7.3.11 | 04:03 |
| @preaction | if you can reproduce this behavior on a demo site, then i'd suggest posting a bug report on the bug list | 04:04 |
| wgGuest07 | yep. the first time this happened was last night. I committed my changes. I've cleared my cached (rm -f method) and waited a day. Then I reproduced it several times today. | 04:04 |
| @preaction | but can you reproduce on the latest webgui? http://demo.webgui.org <- make a demo, set up the situation, and see if it happens. is there someplace i can see this happening? | 04:05 |
| @rizen | preaction: yes you can rewrite stuff to use UNIVERSAL->can | 04:06 |
| @preaction | i mean, we're talking 7.2.1 here, and admittedly though it's a roundabout bug, there've been at least a hundred bugs fixed since then, one of them might've been this one | 04:06 |
| wgGuest07 | unfortunately it's behind our firewall right now. I'm doing the demo now. I hope I don't have to upload 80 photos to repro this. | 04:06 |
| @rizen | preaction: no spectre status is supposed to work for admins | 04:06 |
| @preaction | rizen, okay, will fix | 04:07 |
| wgGuest07 | I guess I was just hoping to have a sql update statement I can use or select query to see what maybe changing when I "save" an image. | 04:07 |
| @preaction | wgGuest07, since i'm not sure what's causing it, i don't know what you or i could do to fix it | 04:08 |
| wgGuest07 | what table is the data stored in for images? | 04:09 |
| wgGuest07 | I uploaded one photo on webgui demo and it seemed to work I haven't tried 80 photos yet. | 04:09 |
| @preaction | wgGuest07, asset, assetData, File, and Image | 04:09 |
| @rizen | FileAsset and ImageAsset actually | 04:09 |
| @rizen | crap fuck crap fuck | 04:10 |
| @preaction | that... doesnt'... sound... good... | 04:10 |
| @rizen | all the changes i made to the upgrade script were lost when Haarg renamed it | 04:10 |
| @rizen | which he was suppsoed to do | 04:10 |
| @rizen | not his fault | 04:10 |
| @rizen | svn's fault | 04:10 |
| wgGuest07 | 80 photos is a pain. I'll look at those tables to see if anything changes when I "resave" an image. Thanks! | 04:11 |
| @rizen | i'm 99.99999% sure that bug is fixed in a later version wgGuest07 | 04:11 |
| @preaction | wgGuest07, i believe away back when there was a bug that caused a new storage location to be created every time you saved a file/image asset | 04:11 |
| @rizen | check the change log if you like, but i'm sure i remember someone fixed that | 04:11 |
| wgGuest07 | what table is the storage location kept? because if I go directly to the directory it says the image is in, its there. even though I get a 404. I copied pasted so I shouldn't have had typo errors going on. | 04:12 |
| wgGuest07 | so maybe the storage location wasn't "saved" when I filepiled. | 04:13 |
| @preaction | wgGuest07, it's in the FileAsset table | 04:13 |
| wgGuest07 | ok. I'll watch that specific field. I can't do anythign now, because I'm not vpned in. Thanks! I might be back later. | 04:14 |
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| wgGuest07 | how do you log out of this? I'm using plainblacks provided software... | 04:16 |
| @preaction | just close it | 04:16 |
| wgGuest07 | k bye | 04:16 |
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| @rizen | it's amazing how many people use that web thing | 04:16 |
| @rizen | it's a pile compared to a real irc client | 04:16 |
| @preaction | it is | 04:16 |
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| nuba | rizen: im working on the asset now, and keeping the deadline in mind | 04:43 |
| nuba | rizen: just replied to your email | 04:43 |
| @rizen | shall i assume that you just started on the asset today? | 04:44 |
| @rizen | based upon what you've said, that's what it sounds like | 04:44 |
| nuba | yes, i was working with googlemaps but outside webgui until today | 04:46 |
| nuba | i was planning to do that sooner but some local issues kept me busy these last days | 04:47 |
| nuba | but I usually perform better under tight deadlines and high pressure, so I hope it will turn out a good asset :) | 04:48 |
| nuba | thats seriously | 04:48 |
| @rizen | i'm concerned that we're only 2 days away and you're just starting. my concern is for the stability of the code | 04:49 |
| nuba | i see. well I hope the code will pass your scrutinity | 04:50 |
| nuba | i can say i follow some best practices while designing or coding something | 04:51 |
| nuba | s/scrutinity/scrutiny/ | 04:51 |
| +Radix-wrk | heh.. you got WebGUI running on your iphone yet rizen? I hear someone has apache, python and various other apps running on it now :) | 05:22 |
| @rizen | of course i do | 05:22 |
| @rizen | actually runs pretty well | 05:22 |
| +Radix-wrk | no, I mean compiled and running as a webserver ;) | 05:22 |
| @rizen | can't get image magick to work | 05:22 |
| @rizen | thats what i'm saying | 05:22 |
| +Radix-wrk | Oh.. cool! | 05:22 |
| @rizen | i have the WRE mostly working on it | 05:22 |
| +Radix-wrk | awesome | 05:23 |
| @rizen | i'm actually just screwing with you. i've been so busy with 7.4 stuff that i haven't really had time to play with any iphone hacking | 05:23 |
| +Radix-wrk | Aww.. | 05:24 |
| +Radix-wrk | http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/25/1225242&from=rss | 05:24 |
| @rizen | i've seen the article | 05:24 |
| +Radix-wrk | iphone doom is jsut around the corner :) | 05:24 |
| @rizen | just haven't done anything with the info | 05:24 |
| @rizen | when i have the time the first thing i'm going to do is replace the SMS sound | 05:24 |
| @rizen | it's so quiet i can't even hear it | 05:24 |
| +Radix-wrk | heh.. I use the old ICQ sound for my SMS's - Uhoh! | 05:25 |
| SDuensin | Oh no. If they make Doom run on it, then I have to buy one. | 05:29 |
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| wgGuest53 | hi. | 05:45 |
| wgGuest53 | am going to attempt an upgrade, but I think I may have modified some of the templates that webgui comes with. Are those going to be slammed over? | 05:46 |
| @rizen | you created copies or modified the defaults? | 05:46 |
| wgGuest53 | unfortunately, modified a couple of the defaults. like assets and little things splattered around the system. | 05:47 |
| @rizen | whether or not they get overwritten in that case depends upon whether there were any modifications by the developers to those templates....the core templates only get updated if a new feature was added or they needed to be modified to fix a bug | 05:48 |
| @rizen | either way though, your old templates will still be in the system, due to the version control system | 05:49 |
| wgGuest53 | oh. as a prior version to the upgrade? | 05:49 |
| @rizen | you'll just have to go rescue them if they get written over | 05:49 |
| wgGuest53 | is there a way I can query the database to see which ones I changed? | 05:49 |
| @rizen | yeah...anything new that happens will be in a new version tag specific to the upgrade | 05:49 |
| @rizen | yup | 05:49 |
| @rizen | just go look for the version tag for the upgrades | 05:50 |
| wgGuest53 | to see the ones *I* changed? | 05:50 |
| @rizen | oh...no not easily | 05:50 |
| wgGuest53 | dang. | 05:50 |
| wgGuest53 | I have no idea which ones I've changed. Maybe there is a modify date somewhere? | 05:51 |
| @rizen | it's possible, but requires quite a bit of database querying...more than i have time to help you with | 05:51 |
| @rizen | absolutely there is on every single one | 05:51 |
| @rizen | but you need something to compare it to | 05:51 |
| wgGuest53 | well, the date ofthe last version? no? I'm running 7.2.1 yeah, it's me again. = | 05:52 |
| @rizen | this query will get you started, but from there you'll need to figure it out: | 05:52 |
| wgGuest53 | =) | 05:52 |
| wgGuest53 | any help would be great! | 05:52 |
| @rizen | select assetData.title, assetData.url, assetData.assetId, template.namespace from assetData left join template on assetData.assetId=template.assetId and assetData.revisionDate=template.revisionDate where template.revisionDate > unix_timestamp('2007-03-01') order by template.revisionDate desc | 05:54 |
| @rizen | i think that will work | 05:54 |
| @rizen | but if it doesn't you're on your own troubleshooting | 05:54 |
| wgGuest53 | That's fine. Thanks! | 05:55 |
| wgGuest53 | hopefully an easier question. The reason why I never upgraded was because they Totally redid the calendar thing in 7.3.0 which scares me. What am I to expect? | 05:55 |
| @rizen | the new calendar is absolutely amazing compared to the old calendar | 05:56 |
| wgGuest53 | the gotchas says custom templates will be deleted. then in 7.38 they are purged, so how am I to get them back if I need it? | 05:56 |
| wgGuest53 | hope it's amazing. Does it have an Rss feed? I hope so. | 05:57 |
| @rizen | not an RSS feed, it has an ical feed, which is the standard internet feed type for calendars | 05:57 |
| @rizen | it's what outlook and google and apple mail all use | 05:58 |
| wgGuest53 | or is it so amazing that I won't need my templates? does it replace my templates with it's own? or will I have a template-less calendar. | 05:58 |
| wgGuest53 | I guess I haven't done this before. =( | 05:58 |
| @rizen | it replaces your templates with it's own | 05:58 |
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| wgGuest53 | I've seen the ical. Do you recommend a site to read up on it? | 05:58 |
| @rizen | just search google for ical | 06:00 |
| wgGuest53 | hmm. here's a thought. I'm the one with a bunch of 404 errors on my filepiled images. Is an upgrade going to fix the data? or do I still need to resave each one manually? (I haven't dug into the db yet) | 06:01 |
| wgGuest53 | oh. I wasn't talking with rizen about that.. I was talking with preaction. I suppose you have no idea what I'm talking about =) | 06:02 |
| @rizen | i saw your discussion, and i honestly don't know if you have to manually resave each one or not | 06:03 |
| @rizen | i believe that perlDreamer was the one that fixed that problem, so check back tomorrow or later tonight and see if he's on | 06:04 |
| @rizen | he can tell you | 06:04 |
| @rizen | or just upgrade...you'll know soon enough | 06:04 |
| @rizen | if you have to manually do it, you're in no worse shape than you're in right now | 06:04 |
| wgGuest53 | I'm thinking this is a "tomorrow night" project. it's already late. probably a good idea to get some good sleep before this. I'm a bit nervous.... | 06:05 |
| @rizen | probably a good idea | 06:08 |
| @rizen | and make sure you have a good clean backup | 06:08 |
| @rizen | BEFORE you start the upgrade | 06:08 |
| wgGuest53 | I'm pretty sure it dumps every night. I've never done a recovery though. Hopefuly I don't need to. | 06:10 |
| +Radix-wrk | is this the image/thumbnails bug? | 06:10 |
| wgGuest53 | mmm. image storage bug | 06:10 |
| +Radix-wrk | the one where if you edit the picture it replaces it with the thumbnail instead? | 06:10 |
| wgGuest53 | no, I filepiled a bunch of images, and they are all 404's until I "resave" them. | 06:11 |
| +Radix-wrk | Oh.. ok.. haven't encountered that one. | 06:11 |
| wgGuest53 | yeah, it's nasty when you file piled a boat load. =) | 06:12 |
| +Radix-wrk | I bet! | 06:12 |
| wgGuest53 | re upgrading: If I have uncommitted changes. what happens to them if i upgrade without committng first? | 06:12 |
| wgGuest53 | where are my manners? Hi Radix-wrk. =) | 06:13 |
| @rizen | nothing | 06:13 |
| @preaction | wgGuest53, if you have uncommitted changes before you upgrade you'll have those same things after you upgrade. | 06:13 |
| +Radix-wrk | Hiya :) | 06:13 |
| wgGuest53 | oh good. Thanks everyone!! Have a good night. I'm sure I'll be back tomorrow night=) | 06:15 |
| +Radix-wrk | wgGuest53: can I suggest you get a regular irc client (xchat, mirc, etc) and join the channel that way, it's much nicer than the java based one | 06:16 |
| +Radix-wrk | and in our favour, you'll be more likely to stick around - always good to see new faces on here :) | 06:16 |
| wgGuest53 | yes. you may suggest. =) | 06:16 |
| +Radix-wrk | heh k :) | 06:16 |
| wgGuest53 | I'm on windows now. do you have recommendations? I dont' "chat" at all. other than with you guys. | 06:17 |
| +Radix-wrk | there's lots of free windows clients. I use xchat personally - www.silverex.org - but any of the others will work as well | 06:18 |
| wgGuest53 | ok. I'll give those a try. Thanks again! | 06:19 |
| +Radix-wrk | good luck with your upgrade :) | 06:19 |
| wgGuest53 | thanks! bye. | 06:20 |
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| @rizen | whaooo!! with that checkin i'm officially done with my must-have todo list for 7.4 | 06:27 |
| @rizen | now i can look into a few "what ifs" | 06:28 |
| vayde | hey rizen, I'll be in Madison on the 12th. Got time for a brew? | 06:29 |
| @rizen | let me check the calendar | 06:31 |
| @rizen | i'll be here, but we'll have to play it by ear. doing a mail server upgrade that weekend | 06:31 |
| @rizen | give me a call when you have some free time | 06:32 |
| vayde | Ok. I'll be done with the troops about 16:00 or 16:30 | 06:32 |
| vayde | Technically I'll be in Waunakee, but close enough. | 06:32 |
| @rizen | yeah...that's only a few miles from here | 06:33 |
| @rizen | actually, there's a great little pub between here and there | 06:33 |
| @rizen | http://aleasylum.com/cms/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1 | 06:34 |
| vayde | got it. I'll call you when I'm done with the class and see if you have time. | 06:34 |
| @rizen | vrby will be in town too cuz he's working on the mail server upgrade with me | 06:34 |
| vayde | excellent. be good to tip a few back with you two. | 06:34 |
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| @preaction | jeebus, what haven't we added in 7.4? | 07:13 |
| @rizen | are you referring to all the tickets i'm closing? | 07:13 |
| @preaction | yeah | 07:13 |
| @rizen | hehe | 07:14 |
| @rizen | we added quite a bit | 07:14 |
| @preaction | i mean, i knew a few of the big ones, but apparently there's been a lot of little things as well | 07:14 |
| @rizen | and i'm only doing a quick once over | 07:14 |
| @Haarg | apparently my rewritten macro parser is anywhere from 10% to 1000% faster | 07:21 |
| +Radix-wrk | woot.. that sounds good :) | 07:25 |
| @rizen | 10 to 1000? | 07:25 |
| @rizen | why such a big difference? | 07:25 |
| @rizen | when i hear things that vary that much it makes me suspicious | 07:26 |
| @Haarg | depends on the complexity of the macros | 07:26 |
| @Haarg | it's pretty consitant for each macro text i give it | 07:26 |
| @rizen | like number and nesting? | 07:26 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 07:26 |
| @Haarg | i'm going to add some more tests though | 07:26 |
| @rizen | take the output of the front page of your webgui install | 07:26 |
| @rizen | comment out macro processing so they are left in the HTML | 07:27 |
| @rizen | then run your parser versus the original | 07:27 |
| @rizen | that's an "average" webgui page | 07:27 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 07:27 |
| @rizen | run it 10 times for each parser and average them | 07:27 |
| @rizen | then you'll know | 07:27 |
| +Radix-wrk | are there any perl profilers? | 07:29 |
| @Haarg | i'm using Benchmark | 07:29 |
| @preaction | Devel::DProf | 07:29 |
| @preaction | works under mod_perl with the right settings | 07:30 |
| @preaction | http://www.perl.com/lpt/a/974 | 07:30 |
| +Radix-wrk | so that'd be the way youd want to benchmark that kind of stuff and measure performance then | 07:30 |
| @rizen | if you want a lot of detail that's the way you do it | 07:32 |
| @rizen | but for quick benchmarking Time::HiRes is just as good | 07:32 |
| @rizen | i think i've officially closed as many tickets as i can | 07:33 |
| @rizen | that's got to be close to 50 rfe's closed for this release | 07:33 |
| @rizen | people should be happy | 07:33 |
| @rizen | what am i saying. no one is ever happy. | 07:34 |
| @preaction | i'm happy? | 07:34 |
| +Radix-wrk | Who are these 'people' you speak of? Do I know any of them? | 07:34 |
| +Radix-wrk | If there is going to be any more 7.3.x releases - Could someone please apply my fix for the admin bar zindex bug - it's a one line change. | 07:36 |
| @preaction | i think Haarg tried to do it and replied that it didn't quite work? | 07:37 |
| +Radix-wrk | it definitely does | 07:37 |
| @preaction | i durno, the thread should have his reply | 07:37 |
| +Radix-wrk | just add z-index: 100; to slidepanel.css in the first css block | 07:38 |
| +Radix-wrk | (to .slidePanel) | 07:38 |
| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. | 07:39 |
| +Radix-wrk | Ahh.. it's actually a different bug - just sounded the same. My bad. | 07:41 |
| +Radix-wrk | the z-index fix I made definitely fixes the zenlike theme problem | 07:41 |
| @rizen | radix, no more 7.3 releases | 07:41 |
| +Radix-wrk | and 7.4 won't use the same adminbar, right? | 07:42 |
| @rizen | as of right now it still is | 07:42 |
| @rizen | i'm going to work on that tomorrow | 07:42 |
| +Radix-wrk | k, cool - not worth worrying over then | 07:42 |
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| @rizen | well, i'm outty. ttyl | 08:15 |
| @preaction | beautiful. only 1 hour of bugfixing / testing for 10 hours of coding. that's better than the usual projected 25% | 09:21 |
| @preaction | admin console now can give permissions on a per-panel basis | 09:21 |
| @preaction | i believe this was one of your RFE's, jesse | 09:27 |
| +Radix-wrk | Awesome | 09:31 |
| @preaction | it's not very granular, but all the existing groups are represented, and every panel has at least one group. it's also written in such a way to make future, more granular permissions easy to implement | 09:33 |
| @preaction | hopefully | 09:33 |
| @preaction | oh sunnuva bitch i just did what JT did earlier... | 09:33 |
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| +Radix-wrk | preaction: you could probably close my other rfe related to that item btw - http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/finer-control-of-admin-privileges | 10:06 |
| @preaction | depends, do you want to modify that RFE to include the granularity? | 10:07 |
| @preaction | i mean, imho the current granularity is just about right. but i can close this one and then later someone can open a new one with more specific needs | 10:08 |
| +Radix-wrk | I don't know how your stuff works - but I'd say close it and if I need more granularity then I'll open a new one | 10:08 |
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| +Radix-wrk | All I want is to be able to give user admin to some users - ie. list/add/delete/reset passwords/etc, but not for them to have complete site admin privs | 10:09 |
| @preaction | a 25 difficulty? wtf was he thinking? and he gave the other one a 3 difficulty. it actually took me 12 hours :p | 10:09 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah, jt doesn't like my rfe's :) | 10:10 |
| @preaction | that'll be possible, easily | 10:10 |
| @preaction | well, we've also had two clients ask for that same feature | 10:10 |
| +Radix-wrk | bonus :) | 10:10 |
| @preaction | we actually implemented it once with uiLevels, and the result is less than awesome | 10:11 |
| @preaction | my new code only shows the user those admin tabs that they can actually use ;) | 10:11 |
| @preaction | well, except for the weird admin functions, like the asset manager, trash, and other stuff that's done as part of WebGUI::Asset (and not as a WebGUI::Operation) | 10:13 |
| +Radix-wrk | that's what you want.. if they can't see it, they can't f**k it up ;) | 10:13 |
| @preaction | well, they could be able to see it, but not be able to actually use it (get a "Permission denied" error when clicking on it) | 10:13 |
| @preaction | but that's just sloppy craftsmanship | 10:13 |
| * Radix-wrk dumps a few thousand karma on http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/attache-deletes-to-version-tags | 10:16 | |
| +Radix-wrk | JT should've made that easier tho, surely it isn't a difficulty 15 to do that | 10:16 |
| @preaction | the problem is it's a sweeping change | 10:16 |
| @preaction | when you're part of that version tag it must appear as if that asset is deleted | 10:17 |
| @preaction | it's not the work that's hard, it'll be the tracking down all the caveats | 10:17 |
| @preaction | i mean, there are still places that do not use AssetLineage to get assets (AL being able to do what this requires) | 10:17 |
| +Radix-wrk | The way we have to do it now is mark an item as content managers only - and tag it for deletion - then once that version tag has been implemented we delete it. | 10:18 |
| @preaction | i do like the idea though | 10:18 |
| @preaction | perlbot math 9000 / 15 | 10:18 |
| perlbot | 600 | 10:18 |
| @preaction | i could bump it up a bit | 10:18 |
| @preaction | wait, does that delete the asset when the tag is deleted? or when the tag is committed? | 10:19 |
| +Radix-wrk | when the tag is committed | 10:19 |
| @preaction | but then we lose the biggest thing about versioning: the ability to rollback | 10:20 |
| +Radix-wrk | deletes aren't subject to that anyway | 10:20 |
| @preaction | currently, no, but it'd be nice | 10:20 |
| +Radix-wrk | sure | 10:20 |
| +Radix-wrk | but it's a step in the right direction :) | 10:20 |
| @preaction | if you create what amounts to be an empty asset (basically as barren as possible) and if its status is "approved" and deleteTag is defined, the asset is now deleted | 10:21 |
| @preaction | then you could rollback that revision and it'd be undeleted | 10:21 |
| +Radix-wrk | yes | 10:22 |
| +Radix-wrk | Oh.. | 10:22 |
| @preaction | currently, all fields in the asset tables need to be able to be undefined anyway, so it'd be possible to do without horrific problems | 10:22 |
| +Radix-wrk | if you created it in that version tag, and deleted it in that version tag - then it wouldn't exist at all | 10:22 |
| @preaction | that'd be a special case, you wouldn't set deleteTag, you'd just remove it | 10:23 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah | 10:23 |
| @preaction | basically only if the asset is already "approved" would a new revision be added | 10:23 |
| +Radix-wrk | sounds good.. ship it! :) | 10:24 |
| @preaction | there are precedents, only CS with one "approved" version are allowed to have children, for example | 10:24 |
| @preaction | caveat: urls wouldn't be released | 10:27 |
| @preaction | and we already have the trash, do we really need this? | 10:28 |
| @preaction | good idea, but unnecessary and too difficult to need | 10:29 |
| @preaction | just being able to see what will happen before you move an asset to the trash is probably good enough | 10:29 |
| +Radix-wrk | deletes are one of the major things that doesnt' fit into version tags at the moment tho | 10:29 |
| @preaction | right, but i assume that the "delete" is actually "move to trash" | 10:29 |
| @preaction | so it'd be possible to recover from the trash if necessary | 10:30 |
| +Radix-wrk | the big advantage with version tags is that you can work on the site and then deploy the changes in one hit | 10:30 |
| +Radix-wrk | We use it for every major software release, we make changes to a number of pages, restructure things, etc and get everything ready for the day we actually ship it and want to make it available. | 10:31 |
| @preaction | right, that's handled under the current RFE | 10:31 |
| +Radix-wrk | JT's RFE yes | 10:32 |
| @preaction | yeah | 10:32 |
| @preaction | what i was thinking of would basically replace the Trash | 10:32 |
| +Radix-wrk | isn't that what we were talking about? | 10:33 |
| @preaction | i think i actually proposed this earlier | 10:33 |
| @preaction | i was saying being able to rollback a delete AFTER it's committed | 10:33 |
| @preaction | but i forgot about the trash | 10:33 |
| +Radix-wrk | Ahh.. yes, trash would cover that case. | 10:33 |
| +Radix-wrk | though surely a version tag rollback would do the same thing | 10:34 |
| @preaction | no, once the tag is committed, the commit process would see "hmm... we have a deleteTag, okay, time to move this asset to the trash" and everyting would go on as normal | 10:34 |
| @preaction | wait, isn't that what the trash-limbo state is for? | 10:35 |
| @preaction | meh, durno, way too late for me to be doing heavy thinking | 10:36 |
| * Radix-wrk looks at the 10 day weather forecast for Amsterdam and sees a lot of rainy days ahead. | 10:36 | |
| +Radix-wrk | 3 days before I leave on my webgui sabbatical - and only one working day to go after today. | 10:38 |
| * Radix-wrk is pretty excited :) | 10:39 | |
| @preaction | sabbatical? | 10:40 |
| +Radix-wrk | I'm spending two weeks with Oqapi in delft, netherlands and immersing myself in webgui, perl and sql and learning everything I can off martin and the other oqapi guys. | 10:42 |
| @preaction | nice | 10:42 |
| +Radix-wrk | then my gf joins me and we set off around europe together for 6 weeks. | 10:42 |
| +Radix-wrk | with a brief stop in vienna for the YAPC::Europe perl conference | 10:43 |
| @preaction | wow | 10:43 |
| +Radix-wrk | judging from the talks at the conference, 90% or so of it is going to go woosh above my head as my knowledge of perl is still very basic, but by the end of it I hope I'll have absorbed something :) | 10:44 |
| @preaction | that's what i've been doing with languages, just listening until i start getting Something ;) | 10:44 |
| @preaction | hell, that's why you're here, no? | 10:44 |
| +Radix-wrk | heh.. you can follow our blog if you like - http://jesseandyumi.blogspot.com/ | 10:44 |
| +Radix-wrk | yep - a lot of it goes over my head here, but every now and then I can help out too | 10:44 |
| +Radix-wrk | and yeah, learn by absorption | 10:45 |
| +Radix-wrk | ;) | 10:45 |
| @preaction | okay, i guess i'm ignorant american here, but don't you need to know some other languages to go to these places? | 10:45 |
| +Radix-wrk | I'm a C++ programmer, so familiar with programming, just unfamiliar with perl - and very unfamiliar with perl libraries and development | 10:45 |
| +Radix-wrk | preaction: heh.. I hope not - I only know english myself - but I'll have a phrasebook with me ;) | 10:46 |
| @preaction | i mean, i want to tool around europe for a while someday as well, so i'm trying to learn French (took some in school so doing that one first) and Spanish. then later in life I want to visit India and/or Japan | 10:46 |
| @preaction | jeebus. you're going to do all of this in just 8 weeks? | 10:47 |
| +Radix-wrk | India they speak english pretty well these days ;) | 10:47 |
| +Radix-wrk | LOL - yeah, scary isn't it :) | 10:47 |
| +Radix-wrk | the amsterdam - paris bit is all part of a packaged tour | 10:48 |
| +Radix-wrk | we'll be doing all of that in just 12 days.. so it's a lightning tour with only rome, switzerland and paris being stopped at for more than one day I think | 10:48 |
| +Radix-wrk | then we're off to vienna for the conference (she's going to be exploring vienna while I attend it for three days) | 10:49 |
| +Radix-wrk | We're going to be sick of planes, trains and buses by the end of it I'm sure :) | 10:50 |
| @preaction | oh i imagine | 10:50 |
| @preaction | but, oh, the places you'll go | 10:50 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah :) | 10:50 |
| +Radix-wrk | looking forward to that side of things :) | 10:50 |
| +Radix-wrk | I just hope the weather improves a bit! :) | 10:51 |
| @preaction | it's europe, isn't it getting up on the rainy season? | 10:51 |
| +Radix-wrk | well, it's their summer - but yeah, they've been getting a lot of rain lately | 10:51 |
| +Radix-wrk | http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/NLXX0002?from=36hr_outlet_business | 10:52 |
| @preaction | wait, a phrasebook? you've got like 5-6 languages here | 10:52 |
| +Radix-wrk | got a generic european one with all the basic phrases in it actually :) | 10:52 |
| @preaction | ahh | 10:52 |
| @preaction | bonne chance mon ami | 10:52 |
| +Radix-wrk | about 6-7 languages | 10:52 |
| @preaction | je parles francais en peu, mais je parles anglais tres bien | 10:53 |
| +Radix-wrk | and if they can't speak english.. there's always hand signals :) | 10:53 |
| @preaction | true that | 10:53 |
| +Radix-wrk | Just hope I don't hit on the wrong combination and offend someone ;) | 10:53 |
| @preaction | MY MOTHER WAS A SAINT! | 10:54 |
| @preaction | je voudrais une royale avec fromage! | 10:54 |
| +Radix-wrk | hehe ;) | 10:54 |
| @preaction | anyway, i think bedtime. 3:00am isn't bad these days | 10:55 |
| +Radix-wrk | the blog I created a couple of days ago and it's pretty cool.. I can email my photos to a special flickr account and it puts them all in my flickr account and also creates a blog post for me with the text and links the photos on it. | 10:55 |
| @preaction | ttyl, if i don't get a chance have fun on your trip | 10:55 |
| +Radix-wrk | Will do :) | 10:55 |
| +Radix-wrk | nite doug :) | 10:55 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:49 |
| @rizen | some people stay up way too late talking | 15:52 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 15:56 |
| SDuensin | I think I found a fix for my WRE problem... | 15:56 |
| SDuensin | I erased the server. :-) | 15:56 |
| SDuensin | I found out that I can get a 32 bit OS on it. | 15:56 |
| @rizen | seems drastic, but if it works, who cares | 15:59 |
| SDuensin | Well, 64 bit was going nowhere. Not only did I have the issues with the WRE running wild, but you couldn't upload anything. | 16:01 |
| @rizen | not to mention that you weren't likely going to get any help fixing it since we don't have a way to test on 64 bit yet | 16:02 |
| SDuensin | Yup. :-) | 16:02 |
| SDuensin | I'm still asking around to get you root space on a 64 bit box somewhere. | 16:02 |
| @rizen | sweet | 16:14 |
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| cap10morgan | Is it possible to set some properties of an asset as required? So when someone deploys a new one or edits an existing one, they have to set this property or it won't save. | 20:23 |
| @rizen | nope | 20:23 |
| @rizen | what's the problem you're trying to solve? | 20:24 |
| cap10morgan | i have a custom asset that we deploy quite a bit (glorified dataform, basically), but my content folks often forget to set one of the properties in it and it makes it just not work | 20:24 |
| cap10morgan | so i was hoping i could spit an error at them when they try to do that | 20:24 |
| @rizen | so this is an asset you wrote? | 20:25 |
| cap10morgan | yeah | 20:25 |
| @rizen | there is an error handler mechanism you could employ to force it if you like | 20:25 |
| @rizen | i thought you were talking about core assets | 20:25 |
| cap10morgan | ah, sorry, nope | 20:26 |
| cap10morgan | ok, i'll look into that | 20:26 |
| @rizen | here's how it works | 20:27 |
| @rizen | in processPropertiesFromFormPost | 20:27 |
| @rizen | all you have to do is return an error message | 20:27 |
| @rizen | then the new object will be purged | 20:27 |
| @rizen | and you'll be returned to the edit screen | 20:27 |
| @rizen | along with the error message | 20:27 |
| cap10morgan | ok, cool | 20:27 |
| @rizen | you can see an example of this in SQL Form | 20:28 |
| * SDuensin is 32 bit again! Whooo! | 20:31 | |
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| SDuensin | In modperl.error.log, is this bad? | 21:55 |
| SDuensin | [Thu Jul 26 06:50:23 2007] [warn] Init: Session Cache is not configured [hint: SSLSessionCache] | 21:55 |
| @rizen | no | 21:59 |
| SDuensin | k | 22:04 |
| SDuensin | thanks | 22:04 |
| cap10morgan | rizen: at the last WUC you or someone else was saying that you guys were working on a WebGUI third-party developers directory kinda thing. has any progress been made on that? | 22:34 |
| @rizen | i did? | 22:35 |
| cap10morgan | may not have been you :) | 22:35 |
| @rizen | it must have been someone else | 22:35 |
| cap10morgan | some PB staff person though | 22:35 |
| @rizen | maybe it was frank | 22:35 |
| cap10morgan | they said PB had too much going on, so they wanted to get a network of certified third-party providers together to send folks to | 22:35 |
| @rizen | he was thinking about implementing some sort of a bounty network | 22:35 |
| @rizen | we certainly do have a lot going on. are you interested in doing some contract work? | 22:36 |
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| cap10morgan | possibly, but i'm mainly interested in who all i should be submitting requests for quotes and proposals to for webgui work | 22:37 |
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| cap10morgan | we also have a lot more going on than we can handle internally :) | 22:37 |
| @rizen | well we have a network of developers that we use, so you can submit it to us, and if we can't handle it we'll either manage it and bring in contract developers, or hand it off directly | 22:38 |
| @rizen | most of our developers though don't like doing the project management part of it | 22:38 |
| @rizen | so we usually do that, and then they do the work | 22:38 |
| @rizen | we always have more than we can handle, but we always seem to get stuff done on time too. that's the beauty of a contractor pool i guess | 22:40 |
| cap10morgan | gotcha | 22:40 |
| @preaction | couldn't we set up a forum on the webgui.org site for webgui job postings? | 22:41 |
| @rizen | we could but then they aren't qualified | 22:41 |
| @rizen | that's the problem with hiring someone out of the netherworld | 22:42 |
| @preaction | i'm saying for other people to use, plainblack can do what plainblack does, cap10morgan wanted a way to get in touch with contractors (i think) | 22:42 |
| cap10morgan | preaction: yep | 22:43 |
| @rizen | and he can just post out there for that sort of thing | 22:43 |
| @rizen | what i'm saying though is that he's not going to know who he's getting hiring from the netherworld | 22:43 |
| @preaction | with an auction asset in "bid down" mode, you could submit a job with a proposed completion time and/or cost and have the contractors bid on it ;) | 22:43 |
| @preaction | true enough | 22:44 |
| cap10morgan | i realize it's sort of not in your best interest to help potential clients find other providers of the services you guys sell, but since frank mentioned something about it at the wuc, i thought i'd ask :) | 22:44 |
| @preaction | but same is true for any job-posting site really, you'd need to interview and conduct your own screening process | 22:44 |
| @rizen | in the end people mostly come back to us anyway even if they end up going somewhere else first | 22:44 |
| @rizen | so it's not as big of a burden as one might think | 22:45 |
| @preaction | well, we are the best | 22:45 |
| * preaction pats himself on the back | 22:45 | |
| @rizen | either the person they hired to build it did a bad job or isn't getting it done on time | 22:45 |
| @rizen | or that person did the initial work, but now doesn't want to do the maintenance work or the add-ons | 22:45 |
| @rizen | either way most people end up coming back to us | 22:45 |
| SDuensin | It's cause we love you, rizen. | 22:46 |
| @rizen | i think it's just the difference between hiring a freelancer and a company | 22:46 |
| @rizen | the company is always there, the freelancer can do the gig and leave | 22:46 |
| @preaction | which means it's almost like a lead-in to an account with plainblack ;) | 22:46 |
| @rizen | anybody have IE7 to test with? | 23:15 |
| @rizen | and can check out from subversion? | 23:15 |
| @rizen | i need to make sure the new admin bar will work with 7 | 23:15 |
| @rizen | or for that matter i can send you a zip file to test with | 23:17 |
| @rizen | 23:17 | |
| @preaction | i can do that | 23:17 |
| @preaction | i can't checkout, my test env is not visible to my IE currently | 23:17 |
| @preaction | but i can look at the zip file | 23:17 |
| @rizen | it's just html | 23:17 |
| @rizen | no perl | 23:17 |
| @rizen | ok zip file is on it's way | 23:19 |
| @preaction | kk | 23:19 |
| @rizen | oh crap | 23:19 |
| @rizen | i just realized that it's looking for yui and everything too | 23:19 |
| @rizen | you won't be able to test it that way | 23:19 |
| @rizen | i'll have to find another way | 23:20 |
| @preaction | you can use the URLs from yahooapis.com if you want | 23:20 |
| @preaction | http://yui.yahooapis.com/2.2.2/build/yahoo/yahoo-min.js <- like that | 23:21 |
| @rizen | graham is brilliant | 23:22 |
| @rizen | multipleies | 23:22 |
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| @preaction | rizen, works beautifully in IE7 | 23:32 |
| @rizen | sweet, thanks | 23:38 |
| @rizen | just tested in ie7 myself seems to work there too | 23:39 |
| @rizen | sorry, i mean ie6 | 23:39 |
| @rizen | interestingly enough it doesn't work in ie3 | 23:39 |
| @rizen | but it does downgrade | 23:39 |
| @preaction | you mean ie3 actually renders the thing? | 23:40 |
| @rizen | it renders it as a definition list | 23:40 |
| @rizen | so yes | 23:40 |
| @rizen | it renders it | 23:40 |
| @preaction | not bad | 23:40 |
| @rizen | now i just have to integrate it in with the current monster so that people don't have to update their templates | 23:41 |
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| +crythias | hee | 23:46 |
| +crythias | so then I wooted the other day to get those usb sd cards... | 23:47 |
| +crythias | 'cause I wanted to have some portable bootable DamnSmall Linux. because I could. | 23:47 |
| +crythias | yeah. a bootable Os to fit in your wallet. | 23:48 |
| +crythias | and then someone suggested to me that I might try to put WebGUI on one. 'cept it might be hard to compress down to 512MB. Maybe. | 23:48 |
| +crythias | but then, what to call it? | 23:49 |
| +crythias | A-ha! PenGUI | 23:49 |
| +crythias | and then I thought... how cool is that? It's like penguin without the N. | 23:49 |
| +crythias | ah. fun times, fun times. | 23:49 |
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| * crythias paypals y'all a quarter so ya ken pay attention. | 23:50 | |
| @rizen | crythias...i'm taking your advice | 23:54 |
| +crythias | oh? | 23:54 |
| @rizen | the new adminbar is going to use position:fixed instead of sliding | 23:54 |
| @rizen | and i found a trick to make that work in ie6 | 23:54 |
| +crythias | what the heck made those word come from your fingertips? | 23:54 |
| @rizen | it's just a better way to go | 23:55 |
| @rizen | the thing that changed my mind was that i found a way to work around the problem in ie6 | 23:55 |
| +crythias | um. but you're still going to shift content on the page, though, right? | 23:55 |
| @rizen | yes | 23:56 |
| @rizen | that is until i get the new admin console up and running | 23:56 |
| @rizen | then all the content will be in an iframe, so i won't need to shift it over | 23:56 |
| +crythias | mmhm. that makes sense to me. | 23:56 |
| @rizen | this is a stop gap, cuz it's going to take a really long time to do what i want to do with the admin console | 23:57 |
| @rizen | mainly cuz i'm slow at javascripting | 23:57 |
| @preaction | why would apache be consistently stopping sending a page when it reaches 1.32M | 23:57 |
| +crythias | well, cool. | 23:57 |
| @rizen | preaction: no idea | 23:58 |
| +crythias | and I'm trying to figure out something about the difference between desktop publishing, asset positioning and tinymce javascript. | 23:58 |
| +crythias | but you solved the issue before I thought too hard about it. | 23:59 |
| --- Day changed Fri Jul 27 2007 | ||
| +crythias | the long and short was trying to figure out if there was a way to combine tinymce and asset positioning in a text area. I can't explain it much more than a microcosm of the admin mode in a text area. | 00:00 |
| +crythias | admin mode/page layout | 00:00 |
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| dannymk | Hi everyone | 02:11 |
| @rizen | howdy | 02:11 |
| dannymk | does anyone know what is the current version of yui for the latest version of WebGUI? | 02:12 |
| @rizen | Radix_ you were the one that really wanted the new admin bar, right? | 02:12 |
| dannymk | nope | 02:12 |
| dannymk | I am building a new Wobject to share with the community | 02:12 |
| @rizen | if so then i just checked it in and it works in ie6 and 7 as well as safari and firefox | 02:12 |
| @rizen | dannymk i was talking to Radix_ | 02:12 |
| dannymk | ah, sorry | 02:12 |
| @rizen | what is your new asset? | 02:12 |
| @rizen | 7.4, which comes out monday has the latest and greatest yui | 02:13 |
| dannymk | Well, you guys are going to flip but I believe WebGUI needs a native chat Wobject | 02:13 |
| dannymk | I don't want to configure or stand up a Jabber server or join one | 02:13 |
| dannymk | I really think that webgui is missing such a wobject | 02:14 |
| @rizen | the current version is 0.12.0 | 02:14 |
| @rizen | we have actually written one | 02:14 |
| @rizen | it just isn't ready for the core yet | 02:14 |
| @rizen | so we haven't put it in | 02:14 |
| dannymk | are you talking to me? | 02:14 |
| @rizen | yes | 02:14 |
| @rizen | preaction wrote the chat engine for webgui | 02:15 |
| dannymk | ok, did you take advanatage of yui xmlrequest | 02:15 |
| @rizen | yup | 02:15 |
| dannymk | ok cool | 02:15 |
| dannymk | when will it be available? | 02:15 |
| @rizen | that doesn't mean that yours wouldn't be better | 02:15 |
| @rizen | no eta...we don't have anyone to finish it right now | 02:15 |
| @rizen | to put it into the core | 02:15 |
| @rizen | it's up and running as is, but it needs some cleanup work | 02:16 |
| dannymk | can I get the source? | 02:16 |
| @rizen | so you're volunteering? | 02:16 |
| dannymk | if no one is doing it and I am beggining to build one I think it is only fair, right? | 02:16 |
| @preaction | it doesn't use ajax, it was a requirement that it didn't. the groundwork is in place but the wobject was done to other specifications | 02:17 |
| dannymk | why was it a requirement | 02:17 |
| @rizen | really? i thought it was a requirement that it had to use ajax? | 02:17 |
| @preaction | oh, right, one screen does use ajax | 02:18 |
| @preaction | but the main, user-facing screen for the chat does not | 02:18 |
| dannymk | that is one application that cries for ajax | 02:18 |
| @preaction | the moderator / "guest" screen is completely ajax | 02:18 |
| dannymk | OK, can I see it? | 02:19 |
| @rizen | dannymk, if you're willing to do the few cleanup things that we need done | 02:19 |
| dannymk | do you have a spec document or a requirement document? | 02:19 |
| @preaction | i could take an hour or so this weekend and do some cleanup. there's at least one bad programming practice i should remove before i give it to anyone | 02:19 |
| @rizen | fair enough | 02:19 |
| @rizen | can you wait until monday dannymk? | 02:20 |
| dannymk | sure | 02:20 |
| @preaction | (basically there's an ajax app on the chat session edit form that will update things without hitting "Save", which is not good) | 02:20 |
| dannymk | can I ask a few questions about it? | 02:20 |
| @preaction | surely | 02:20 |
| @rizen | preaction will clean up what he needs to, and i'll come up with a list of things i need done | 02:20 |
| dannymk | how did you implement the actual chat box for the users? Did you use a macro? | 02:20 |
| @preaction | i'm also going to clean the moderator / "guest" screen up a bit | 02:21 |
| @preaction | the users, during the chat, are brought to an html file in the uploads node (currently). this was a requirement because there could potentially be thousands of users hitting that asset during the session. it may not be a requirement now | 02:21 |
| @preaction | the html file is updated every 60 seconds with a workflow activity, and javascript will refresh them | 02:22 |
| @preaction | basically it's just an asset, the main view() method is the actual conversation | 02:22 |
| dannymk | OK, I am guessing that you added a profile field to the users called "Chat nick" or something like that? | 02:23 |
| @preaction | there are three assets: the chat list wobject, which contains chat session wobjects, which contains chat post assets | 02:23 |
| @preaction | nope, it uses their username / alias like the rest of webgui | 02:23 |
| dannymk | I was thinking that the username would be a bad field to use, I thought using a "Chat Nick" would be best | 02:24 |
| @preaction | it's a lot like the collaboration system, just faster | 02:24 |
| @preaction | why would it be bad? i mean, there could be a special-case for Visitors if you want to allow them to participate | 02:25 |
| dannymk | NO, some companies do not like their users listed that way. | 02:25 |
| dannymk | they think if you have the username that is half the battle | 02:25 |
| @rizen | that's why there is an Alias field | 02:26 |
| @preaction | all the user profile info is exposed to the template, you can use the firstName / lastName fields if you desire | 02:26 |
| @rizen | which is what preaction said | 02:26 |
| dannymk | OK, the alias it is! | 02:27 |
| @preaction | and we should probably aim for full sub-classing, so people can make their own chat session or chat post objects (to override the getTemplateVars method) | 02:27 |
| dannymk | I was thinking of adding a banned user list per user, did you do that? | 02:27 |
| @preaction | per user? no. but you'd probably want it per-session, or you can remove the user from the "Group to participate" group | 02:28 |
| @preaction | also, all the chats are moderated chats currently. only moderators can approve / deny posts | 02:28 |
| dannymk | OK, so we can make improvements. Where did you guys come up with the idea? | 02:29 |
| @preaction | there'd probably have to be an option for "don't require moderator approval" for a session, so that moderators can still remove posts, but they don't have to approve them | 02:29 |
| dannymk | well, I think that like with almost any chat program individuals should be able to decide who they want to accept messages from | 02:30 |
| @preaction | away back when we added the link to the IRC client on plainblack.com was when it was first thought of (i think snapcount proposed it) | 02:30 |
| @preaction | oh, private messages aren't handled by this at all | 02:30 |
| @preaction | if you want private messages, 7.4 already has a mechanism for it | 02:30 |
| dannymk | we have to get that in there eventually | 02:31 |
| @preaction | it'd be up to JT if that feature needed to be added | 02:31 |
| @preaction | and if it did, then an ignore feature would need to be added too, as you said | 02:31 |
| dannymk | cool | 02:32 |
| @preaction | i can just imagine WWW::Mechanize bots spamming users of this thing :p | 02:32 |
| dannymk | maybe there could be a way to avoid the bots | 02:32 |
| @rizen | it really needs two interfaces | 02:32 |
| @rizen | a dynamic ajax interface with all the bells and whistles for small chat groups | 02:33 |
| dannymk | The one I wrote about 6 years ago had 2 | 02:33 |
| @preaction | if anything, you can just use my code as a guide. there are probably things that could be done better (the monolithic setPost sub in the chat session object was probably a Bad Idea on my part) | 02:33 |
| @rizen | and the flat html one that it has now | 02:33 |
| dannymk | OK | 02:33 |
| @rizen | as preaction said, this one is designed to handle thousands of simultaneous users | 02:34 |
| @preaction | the code itself is pretty solid though, it's the cleanup and some refactoring needed, then the features it's mising | 02:34 |
| @rizen | a flashy ajax one wouldn't be able to handle that many users without a huge cluster | 02:34 |
| dannymk | I bet | 02:34 |
| dannymk | maybe we can build a setting into the Wobject to turn Ajax on/off | 02:35 |
| @rizen | yup | 02:35 |
| @preaction | well, if you sent a "lastUpdated" time to the server with your ajax update request, it could return to you only those posts that actually changed. it would keep XX posts in the buffer, update / add / remove as necessary, prune to XX, and then redraw the page | 02:35 |
| @rizen | and that would just change the link for users from one to the other | 02:35 |
| @preaction | so to minimize the amount of data needed for each ajax request | 02:35 |
| @rizen | yeah, but no matter what, that's going against code and the database | 02:36 |
| @rizen | and that's slower than a flat file | 02:36 |
| @preaction | yeah | 02:36 |
| @rizen | anyway...gotta head...talkl to you guys later | 02:36 |
| dannymk | Is there a way to use the MemCache without overwhelming the system? | 02:36 |
| @preaction | have fun | 02:36 |
| dannymk | later | 02:36 |
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| @preaction | dannymk, i think memcache is a new 7.4 feature, and probably, yes. there are optimizations that can be done, but we should probably wait for that (to figure out where it needs them) | 02:37 |
| @preaction | plus, since they're all assets, there's some caching already built-in | 02:37 |
| @preaction | i'll attempt to get it cleaned up for you for monday, but i'm moving into my new house tomorrow so it may be a little later | 02:38 |
| dannymk | no problem | 02:38 |
| dannymk | just send me an email to danny_mk@yahoo.com when you get it done so that I can take a look at it | 02:39 |
| dannymk | I will stop the development on the one I was working on and work on something else for now | 02:39 |
| dannymk | By the way, is there a "New features coming in release x.x" anywhere on the WebGUI site? | 02:40 |
| @preaction | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/browse/WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt | 02:40 |
| dannymk | Thank you. | 02:41 |
| @preaction | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt <- this is it | 02:41 |
| dannymk | yup, I got an error the first time | 02:42 |
| dannymk | Is there a captcha enable for the login template? | 02:45 |
| @preaction | it's in the Auth settings i think | 02:46 |
| dannymk | yup, I have that set but id does not seem to display | 02:46 |
| dannymk | oh well, I will have to play with it a bit. | 02:47 |
| @preaction | are you using the default webgui anonymous registration template? | 02:47 |
| dannymk | yup | 02:47 |
| @preaction | weird. you might want to check the error log | 02:47 |
| dannymk | hmmm... no errors | 02:51 |
| dannymk | and this is a brand new installatino of 7.4 | 02:51 |
| dannymk | 7.3.21-stable | 02:52 |
| dannymk | sorry, wishful thinking :-) | 02:52 |
| dannymk | Hmmm... I can see the "create.form.captcha" vars in the template but the image just does not show up | 03:00 |
| dannymk | have you ever seen that work? | 03:00 |
| @preaction | i remember, check your mod_proxy error log for 404 errors | 03:30 |
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| wgGuest41 | hello? | 04:19 |
| +Radix-wrk | hello | 04:19 |
| wgGuest41 | I just tried an upgrade and I got a bunch of errors. would you be able to help? | 04:19 |
| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. if you get an error, the first thing I'd suggest is to roll back to your previous backup. | 04:20 |
| +Radix-wrk | perlbot paste | 04:20 |
| perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. | 04:20 |
| +Radix-wrk | and use one of the above links to post your errors into | 04:21 |
| wgGuest41 | I'm not too worried. it's a test site. It's the upgrade script that gave errors like: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'skipNotification' in 'field list' at | 04:21 |
| wgGuest41 | I'm going from 7.2.1 to 7.3.9 | 04:21 |
| +Radix-wrk | Why 7.3.9? and not 7.3.20? | 04:22 |
| wgGuest41 | I didn't see 7.3.20 =) | 04:22 |
| +Radix-wrk | Actually.. 7.3.22 is the latest | 04:22 |
| wgGuest41 | oh. | 04:22 |
| -!- Radix-wrk changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.3.22 | WRE 0.7.2 ] .:. Come To The WUC http://www.plainblack.com/wuc .:. Feel free to ask questions on here - but make sure you stick around long enough for us to answer! :) | 04:22 | |
| +Radix-wrk | Okay.. I'd roll back and then try upgrading to 7.3.22 instead | 04:23 |
| wgGuest41 | ok. I gotta step a way a second here. | 04:23 |
| +Radix-wrk | I do recall some upgrade script bugs in the earlier 7.3 builds - and they'd be fixed in the newer version. | 04:24 |
| @preaction | yeah, that bug was fixed later | 04:25 |
| wgGuest41 | ok. im back | 04:27 |
| wgGuest41 | I guess i'll rollback and start over. | 04:28 |
| +Radix-wrk | Good luck :) | 04:28 |
| wgGuest41 | do i just rollback the db or do I have to reciover my files? | 04:28 |
| +Radix-wrk | Just rollback the db should be enough | 04:29 |
| wgGuest41 | k.I have to log off here. I;m sure I'll be back later tonight. | 04:29 |
| wgGuest41 | thanks! | 04:29 |
| +Radix-wrk | np :) | 04:29 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Anyone got any clue as to why people seeing my webgui sites are seeing old versions. Neither IE nor Firefox seem to refresh the pages correctly - they always load from cache and I have to get them to manually purge their cache before they can see any of the changes I've made | 04:53 |
| +Radix-wrk | WRE 0.7.2 and 7.3.21 | 04:53 |
| +Radix-wrk | Even in firefox, if I load a page and it shows the old one, I have to hold down shift and reload before it picks up the proper version of it. | 04:55 |
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| wgGuest02 | hello? | 05:10 |
| wgGuest02 | I'm back. - I'm the one with the upgrade from 7.2.1 to 7.3.*22* | 05:10 |
| wgGuest02 | the upgrade went actually much better than the first round. | 05:11 |
| wgGuest02 | however, when it came to installing Weather::Com::Finder, it kinda blew up. Any ideas? | 05:11 |
| wgGuest02 | It crashed at installing the dependancy Time::Format | 05:11 |
| wgGuest02 | what information will you need? hoping forsome pointers. basically make test returned bad status, won't install without force. Is it ok to install with force? | 05:14 |
| wgGuest02 | hello? I hope somebody is here. | 05:22 |
| @preaction | wgGuest02, yes, it's okay to force install that module | 05:23 |
| wgGuest02 | oh hi! | 05:24 |
| wgGuest02 | I've never had much luck with cpan. It makes me nervous. | 05:25 |
| wgGuest02 | on a nother topic. I tried xchat, didn't quite understand how to use it. I have to connect to ircnet and then specify the channel #webgui, right? | 05:26 |
| @preaction | right | 05:26 |
| @preaction | we're on freenode | 05:26 |
| wgGuest02 | oh.good grief. I have no idea where I got that idea. I read your page on your site. | 05:28 |
| wgGuest02 | that would explain why no one was in that chatroom. =) | 05:28 |
| wgGuest02 | I'm going to force install the thing. Gotta log off to do it. Thanks for your help! | 05:28 |
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| elnino | hello? | 05:43 |
| elnino | I was just talking with preaction. Hopefully this xchat is working now. | 05:45 |
| @preaction | its working, but i'm away | 05:45 |
| elnino | I just did an upgrade to 7.3.22. went swimmingly with the help of you all. Thank you. | 05:46 |
| elnino | however, I still have the problem that I had before the upgrade. | 05:47 |
| elnino | and that is that when I filepiled a boatload of images,and when try to access them via the browser either with the webgui url or the upload/* url, it returns a 404 error. | 05:48 |
| elnino | I can "fix" the error by resaving each image (without making any changes) and the image will appear. but that is aLOT of images to manually resave. | 05:49 |
| elnino | was wondering if there is something I can look at to figure out what the problem may be? | 05:59 |
| elnino | I know that when I resave it, the upload/* url doesn't change. So I'm wondering if there is something else, like a flag in the db | 06:00 |
| elnino | all things have been committed, and cache has been cleared (rm -r method) | 06:00 |
| +Radix-wrk | Hi elnino | 06:02 |
| +Radix-wrk | fraid I can't help much with the image problem tho | 06:02 |
| elnino | hi. | 06:02 |
| +Radix-wrk | preaction might be more help when he comes back | 06:02 |
| elnino | That's ok. while I was waiting, I thought of something I could try. I'll come back in about 10 mintues. | 06:03 |
| elnino | when do you think preaction will be back? it's kinda late over here. | 06:03 |
| +Radix-wrk | One thing you could try tho - take a snapshot of the sql, resave one file - then take another snapshot of the sql and do a diff | 06:03 |
| elnino | =) that's exactly what I was going to do!!! | 06:03 |
| +Radix-wrk | preaction is a bit of a night owl :) | 06:03 |
| elnino | hmm. well, I'll try it and see if I can see anything. I'll be back. | 06:04 |
| elnino | thanks! | 06:04 |
| +Radix-wrk | no telling what time he'll stay up until | 06:04 |
| +Radix-wrk | good luck :) | 06:04 |
| elnino | bye | 06:04 |
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| cap10morgan | dlobo: we can do the trunk merge now if you want to | 06:10 |
| cap10morgan | oops, sorry, wrong channel :) | 06:10 |
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| elnino | hello? | 06:59 |
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| elnino | hey radix, if you are there.. I just wanted to let you know tha tI did a diff, and it was completely useless, because I was doing extended inserts. So I changed my backup scipt to use complete inserts so the next time this happens, I'll be able to compare readable stuff. | 07:03 |
| elnino | I guess I have to manually resave all the images. I'm not too excited about that... | 07:03 |
| +Radix-wrk | bummer, that sucks | 07:05 |
| elnino | yes. Well, I had enough fun. It was a sucessfull upgrade. Thanks! | 07:05 |
| elnino | bye. | 07:06 |
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| @rizenisaway | he should have stuck around | 07:07 |
| @rizenisaway | select * from asset left join assetData using (assetId) left join FileAsset using (assetId,revisionDate) left join ImageAsset using (assetId,revisionDate) where assetId='xxx'; | 07:07 |
| @rizenisaway | if he ran that before and after a save | 07:07 |
| @rizenisaway | it would have told him everything he needs to know | 07:08 |
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| AMH_bob | Good morning everyone, it's a lovely day here in Holland, 21 deg C / 70 deg F, the sun is shining and it's almost weekend. | 16:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | Good morning | 16:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | My day is good too | 16:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | Just returne from hollidays | 16:48 |
| nuba | morning. its rainy, windy, and cold in Rio de Janeiro/Brazil | 16:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | and the weekend is already beginning | 16:48 |
| AMH_bob | :-D | 16:48 |
| @rizenisaway | it rained last night, and now it's humid here | 16:51 |
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| nuba | rizenishere: how's the clock ticking for 7.4 ? how many hours do I have left ? | 16:54 |
| @rizenishere | you have until midnight | 16:56 |
| nuba | cool | 16:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's nice to see that the dev list is being used again | 16:58 |
| nuba | you'll have it | 16:58 |
| @rizenishere | that's my plan | 16:58 |
| @rizenishere | i've decided that i'm going to pose a question to it every week | 16:58 |
| @rizenishere | i'm sort of the one that killed it | 16:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 16:59 |
| @rizenishere | i used to pose questions to it, but then i moved here | 16:59 |
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| +crythias | howdy | 17:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | hi | 17:03 |
| AMH_bob | Hello | 17:04 |
| +crythias | I just posted an rfe that could pay $$$ | 17:04 |
| @rizenishere | are you talking about openid? | 17:04 |
| +crythias | yeah | 17:04 |
| @rizenishere | it's a duplicate | 17:05 |
| +crythias | oh?oh. | 17:05 |
| +crythias | sorry. | 17:05 |
| +crythias | 4000 entries, of course I'd find a duplicate. | 17:05 |
| +crythias | sniff | 17:05 |
| @rizenishere | i only know that cuz i went through the whole list yesterday cleaning it up | 17:05 |
| +crythias | ok. deleted | 17:06 |
| @rizenishere | http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/openid#mRsVPo4-VT3Cv61eV1rRcw | 17:06 |
| @rizenishere | and the original has karma already | 17:06 |
| @rizenishere | =) | 17:06 |
| +crythias | mm hm. | 17:06 |
| +crythias | ok. so... is the bounty accessible to WebGUI? | 17:07 |
| +crythias | I don't know your dl volume. | 17:08 |
| @rizenishere | apparently we're not worthy | 17:08 |
| @rizenishere | we get over 5k in downloads per month | 17:09 |
| @rizenishere | but i have no idea how to know how man public internet users we have | 17:09 |
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| @rizenishere | i'm sure it's over 200k though | 17:09 |
| @rizenishere | one of our clients alone has 100,000 people registered on their site | 17:09 |
| +crythias | I would have to agree with that, though WebGUI isn't necessarily a "Portal" | 17:09 |
| +crythias | change one config setting... I at first thought, nah. but then again, yeah. only config change is in the authmethod of .conf | 17:11 |
| +crythias | I mean, for the user, I'd guess. | 17:11 |
| @rizenishere | or the default auth method in the settings | 17:11 |
| +crythias | ok. | 17:12 |
| +crythias | It would be nice to be able to support the ability to share logon across multiple webgui dbs. | 17:12 |
| @rizenishere | cry you don't have to convince me, i've wanted to add it to webgui for a long time, i just don't have the resources to assign to it and i have too much stuff to do as it is | 17:13 |
| +crythias | :) ok. that's a good enough answer for me. | 17:17 |
| ckotil | isnt that in 7.4 ? | 17:17 |
| @rizenishere | maybe i'll find some time in 7.5 to do it | 17:17 |
| @rizenishere | no | 17:17 |
| ckotil | doh. | 17:17 |
| ckotil | ive been hyping that up for weeks now | 17:17 |
| ckotil | to my group | 17:17 |
| ckotil | o well. | 17:17 |
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| ckotil | oh db's | 17:18 |
| ckotil | sorry. i read that as domains | 17:18 |
| ckotil | ;) | 17:18 |
| ckotil | that IS in 7.4 , no? | 17:18 |
| @rizenishere | i said that looking into some sort of single sign on is on my maybe list for 7.4 | 17:18 |
| @rizenishere | but it i didn't make it | 17:18 |
| ckotil | im working some magic to get cosign integrated. | 17:18 |
| AMH_bob | OpenID, hmmm, I've just checked it out... looks all right | 17:19 |
| * MrHairgrease checks out a cool beer which also happens to look all right... | 17:20 | |
| +crythias | on another note, I realize WebGUI will be too big to put on the same 512MB SD card as the OS. | 17:20 |
| @rizenishere | openid is pretty cool, and i do want it in webgui for the unwashed masses, but for my needs it's not cool enough | 17:20 |
| +crythias | my realization makes me sad, but I'm sure I'll be ok if I simply use one for os boot and the other to hold /data | 17:21 |
| +crythias | which, on the face of it, is pretty darn cool. | 17:22 |
| +crythias | I'll boot ubuntu on one of the disks and run WebGUI off the other. | 17:22 |
| +crythias | and fit it in my wallet | 17:22 |
| +crythias | (I wooted the USB capable 512MB SD cards the other day) | 17:23 |
| +crythias | hee :) solid state WebGUI. | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | rizen | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | is the template for the dev cs based on the phpbb templates? | 17:27 |
| @rizenishere | MrHairgrease | 17:27 |
| @rizenishere | could be...don't know, steve designed it | 17:27 |
| @rizenishere | but i think you're probably right | 17:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | it looks good | 17:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | and i need something like those | 17:28 |
| @rizenishere | i think he contributed it to the user contribs area | 17:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll try the phpbb templates | 17:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah i know | 17:28 |
| @rizenishere | martin: 1pm, day 3, is you | 17:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 17:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | thanks | 17:30 |
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| ckotil | yay! cosign is integrated. | 18:41 |
| ckotil | we had to use a macro as a redirect that accepetd a parameter that contained the users current location. | 18:41 |
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| @rizenishere | hello me, i hate me, why do i suck so much, that is the question | 20:54 |
| @rizenishere | stupid config files | 20:54 |
| nuba | hey, question.. | 22:56 |
| nuba | my asset needs to call some javascript which in turn needs to be changed dynamically | 22:57 |
| nuba | what im doing is having a www_mapFunctions sub, | 22:57 |
| @rizenishere | with you so far | 22:58 |
| nuba | which does as $self->session->http->setMimeType('application/javascript'); | 22:58 |
| @rizenishere | should probably be text/javascript | 22:58 |
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| nuba | ok | 22:59 |
| @rizen | continue | 22:59 |
| nuba | well is that ok? instead of trying to separate some js code on /extras/wobject/myasset/foo.js and the vars set at the head.. | 23:00 |
| @rizen | absolutely | 23:00 |
| @rizen | if the javascript is static then it would be better to serve it out of extras | 23:00 |
| @rizen | but if it's dynamic, as you said | 23:00 |
| @rizen | then there's nothing wrong witht hat | 23:00 |
| nuba | ok | 23:00 |
| nuba | thx | 23:00 |
| @rizen | svn co https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI | 23:52 |
| @rizen | ckotil can you see that | 23:52 |
| @rizen | you don't seem to see the stuff i type in private messaging | 23:52 |
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| nuba | can I use the IntSlider WebGUI::Form when using autoGenerate ? | 00:07 |
| nuba | i'll give it a try | 00:08 |
| @rizen | i don't see why not | 00:09 |
| @rizen | ckotil did you see what i typed to you? | 00:10 |
| ckotil | got it | 00:35 |
| ckotil | thx | 00:36 |
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| nuba | whohaowhaohwa! almost there! | 01:38 |
| @rizen | sweet | 01:40 |
| @rizen | can't wait to see it | 01:40 |
| nuba | rizen: around? | 02:15 |
| nuba | im in doubt about how to handle the infoWindows (these marquee-like things on google maps) | 02:17 |
| nuba | wether to download them together right away and assign the content at the time the markers are drawn | 02:19 |
| nuba | or requesting the infoWidow content from WebGUI on every click to a marker | 02:19 |
| nuba | the first makes most sense | 02:20 |
| nuba | ok, moving on with it.. | 02:21 |
| @rizen | methinks every click | 02:22 |
| @rizen | the reason i say that is because if there are a lot of markers then it will take forever to generate/download | 02:22 |
| nuba | yes | 02:23 |
| @rizen | for example, what if we do a who's using webgui map, and there are 20,000 webgui users | 02:23 |
| nuba | now I could be getting only the content, with little formatting, using JSON | 02:23 |
| nuba | instead of getting the formatted html for each marker | 02:23 |
| nuba | and for this case of 20k users.. | 02:23 |
| @rizen | i understand that, and you should do that, but even then, downloading 20,000 people worth of markers is big | 02:24 |
| nuba | i'll have to add some optimization to this code after 7.4.0 | 02:24 |
| @rizen | or is it only downloading the markers for people that are visible | 02:24 |
| nuba | ie. treat lots of small points like a cluster | 02:24 |
| @rizen | ok...well do what you think is right, and then we'll optimize after the release | 02:24 |
| nuba | yep | 02:25 |
| @rizen | as long as it's feature complete, that's what matters | 02:25 |
| @rizen | anymore questions? i'm shutting down for a while | 02:25 |
| nuba | yes, well, this is it | 02:25 |
| nuba | the drag from outside the map | 02:25 |
| nuba | onto the map | 02:26 |
| nuba | thats a bit complicated, so i'm working out different interface to add markers and set the zoom/center | 02:26 |
| @rizen | fair enough. | 02:26 |
| @rizen | as long as it works in a point and click manner | 02:27 |
| nuba | it'll be two buttons, one labeled 'lock zoom' and the other 'set center' | 02:27 |
| @rizen | so that the user doesn't have to know lat/long codes | 02:27 |
| nuba | it wont | 02:27 |
| @rizen | you mean "they" not "it" right? | 02:27 |
| @rizen | the users won't | 02:27 |
| nuba | also, in that spec, you added some fields like Address, Zip, State, etc. | 02:27 |
| nuba | we could make use of the geocoding to have that "extracted"from the map instead of entering by hand | 02:28 |
| nuba | that would look better, i think | 02:28 |
| @rizen | not sure what geocoding is | 02:28 |
| nuba | i meant: it wont require the user to know lat/long | 02:28 |
| @rizen | if it makes it easier for the user i'm ok with it, but it has to be 100% accurate, because i envision people using this as a store/business locator on a lot of web sites | 02:29 |
| @rizen | so the address has to be perfect | 02:29 |
| nuba | i see | 02:29 |
| @rizen | it's not just about being visual | 02:29 |
| @rizen | it's also about using it to actually mail something somewhere, or drive there | 02:29 |
| nuba | geocoding is translating from "1600 amphitheatre mtn view ca" to lat/long and pretty addresses like "1600 Amphitheatre Pkwy, Mountain View, CA 94043, USA" | 02:30 |
| nuba | I did read about adding directions to it, but I guess thats too much to cram into 7.4 now | 02:30 |
| @rizen | you seem to know a lot more about this stuff than i do, so i'll trust you. as long as it accomplishes the main task that i set out for you in the spec which are: | 02:31 |
| nuba | but I'm excited about this asset, and I'm all for making it nicer and better | 02:31 |
| @rizen | 1) no lat/long, just point and click | 02:31 |
| @rizen | 2) it has to work as a business locator | 02:31 |
| @rizen | 3) it has to work as a "where are webgui users" | 02:31 |
| @rizen | that's awesome...i hope that the first version of it rules | 02:31 |
| @rizen | and then in 7.5 we can make the second version blow people's sox off | 02:32 |
| @rizen | =) | 02:32 |
| nuba | cool | 02:32 |
| @rizen | ok, checking out for a while...i'll be back later tonight | 02:32 |
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| nuba | ok, ttyl | 02:32 |
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| nuba | whats and where is the sub to collect all child assets of a given asset ? | 04:39 |
| nuba | or should I use the lineage manually do achieve that? | 04:40 |
| nuba | err, add a please on top of these questions.. :) | 04:40 |
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| nuba | oh just found AssetLineage.pm, looks like it | 04:44 |
| nuba | i love find+grep :) | 04:44 |
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| @rizen | nuba, i don't see a checkin | 09:07 |
| nuba | thats accurate | 09:08 |
| nuba | its not ready :/ | 09:08 |
| nuba | this is how it is now: http://hq.imaterial.org/home/test/test-locator | 09:08 |
| @rizen | which is what? | 09:09 |
| @rizen | i just see a map | 09:09 |
| nuba | let me pm you a login .. | 09:09 |
| @rizen | no other functionality | 09:09 |
| @rizen | i definitely see a map asset, but i don't see any other functinoality other than base level google map | 09:11 |
| nuba | ok let me give you a quick tour then | 09:12 |
| @rizen | oh wait | 09:12 |
| @rizen | now i see something | 09:12 |
| nuba | we have the WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Locator, and the WebGUI::Asset::LocatorMarker | 09:12 |
| @rizen | you shouldn't put all that stuff into a google bubble | 09:13 |
| @rizen | it's pretty much unusable | 09:13 |
| nuba | yeah well thats your spec | 09:13 |
| nuba | i was going to discuss this with you | 09:13 |
| @rizen | no, the output | 09:13 |
| @rizen | not the input | 09:13 |
| nuba | so, at the moment there are three things to note there | 09:14 |
| nuba | 1 - the blue markers, this is a geocoded feed from flickr | 09:14 |
| @rizen | hmmm. i'm missing something | 09:14 |
| nuba | 2 - chicago's loop, thats a kml too | 09:14 |
| @rizen | i don't see any blue markers | 09:15 |
| nuba | blue markers in the US | 09:15 |
| @rizen | yeah, i just see a map | 09:15 |
| nuba | and 3- the red markers around the world | 09:15 |
| @rizen | and that's it | 09:15 |
| nuba | the red ones are Asset::LocatorMarkers | 09:15 |
| @rizen | ah, that's the problem | 09:16 |
| @rizen | it doesn't work in safari | 09:16 |
| @rizen | works in firefox | 09:16 |
| nuba | ah, great | 09:16 |
| nuba | good way to start.. | 09:16 |
| nuba | i tried IE and it was working until a bit ago | 09:16 |
| @rizen | the edit screen shows up if you click anywhere on the map in safari | 09:16 |
| nuba | but im mostly on firefox & misc extensions atm | 09:17 |
| @rizen | but no markers | 09:17 |
| nuba | red markers ? check africa etc.. | 09:17 |
| nuba | or blue ones ? you should see'em | 09:17 |
| @rizen | in firefox i see both | 09:17 |
| nuba | are you logged in or just visitor? | 09:17 |
| @rizen | in safari i see just the map | 09:17 |
| @rizen | logged in | 09:18 |
| nuba | now whats sucking me in is the ajax | 09:19 |
| nuba | specially with that tiny little form :) | 09:19 |
| @rizen | where we stand now though i don't see how you could be done with a stable product even if i gave you another day to finish | 09:19 |
| @rizen | the chicago trains thing is pretty cool | 09:20 |
| nuba | heh if you knew where I was this morning.. | 09:21 |
| nuba | in terms of progress. | 09:21 |
| @rizen | i do know where you were, basically not even started | 09:21 |
| @rizen | remember, we talked this morning | 09:21 |
| @rizen | you've made amazing progress...i'll give you that | 09:21 |
| nuba | but yeah i wasn't expeting to drag me feet this way with the ajax part | 09:22 |
| nuba | I would really love to push this into 2.4, but I can see where you stand too | 09:22 |
| @rizen | i'm going to have to spend some time testing the rest of 7.4 tomorrow | 09:22 |
| nuba | so I won't enjoy it but I can cope with this not entering this release if you think thats better. | 09:22 |
| @rizen | you have until i'm done testing to show me how far you can get | 09:22 |
| @rizen | sunday i'm releasing though | 09:23 |
| nuba | thats amazing | 09:23 |
| @rizen | provided my tests are finished on saturday | 09:23 |
| @rizen | what's amazing | 09:23 |
| nuba | i think there'sa good ground between me and saturday's end | 09:23 |
| nuba | so maybe it'll be ok by then. who knows, maybe I'll even write some tests ;) | 09:24 |
| @rizen | i'm not saying you should check this in. i'll need to be shown that it's robust enough to go into the core | 09:24 |
| nuba | of course Im not intending to check it in | 09:24 |
| @rizen | but i'm giving you a bit of time | 09:24 |
| nuba | not without your blessing | 09:24 |
| @rizen | my hope is to be done testing by 3pm central today (saturday) | 09:25 |
| nuba | i see | 09:25 |
| nuba | okay dokey | 09:25 |
| @rizen | so you have until then to show me what you can show me | 09:25 |
| @rizen | that gives you a little over 12 hours | 09:26 |
| @rizen | 13.5 i guess | 09:26 |
| @rizen | and i assume you're going to sleep in there somewhere | 09:26 |
| nuba | not quite | 09:27 |
| nuba | i've slept two hours already between yesterday and today :) | 09:27 |
| @rizen | anyway, i'm going to get some sleep now. have lots of testing to do when i wake up | 09:27 |
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| nuba | ok, ttyl, enjoy :) | 09:28 |
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| nuba | rizenisaway: looks like i will have to work on this asset for 7.5 :( | 16:21 |
| nuba | it turns out i had some family thing scheduled for today | 16:21 |
| nuba | as I was -not so- friendly reminded by my wife this morning.. | 16:21 |
| nuba | huh | 16:21 |
| nuba | well, actually i think that will be for the greater good | 16:22 |
| nuba | cause then I will get to build the asset like im envisioning it | 16:22 |
| nuba | give it the proper love | 16:22 |
| nuba | instead of turning out some rushed out thing that would most likely be heavily modified afterwards | 16:23 |
| nuba | also, this way I will have the chance to ask here for more best-practices or hints re: doing things with the WebGUI API | 16:25 |
| nuba | so, well, thats it! | 16:25 |
| nuba | i think this way this will be a better asset, which will integrate smoothly into webgui and really kick ass :) | 16:26 |
| nuba | in the end I hope you'll still be excited about it and think spontaneously about sending me some cash reward :D | 16:32 |
| nuba | as obviously the spec will be but a small subset of the features we'll have on it | 16:33 |
| nuba | alright gotta split, bback by the end of the day | 16:33 |
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| danny_mk | Hi everyone, anyone here have experience debugging at the API level? | 00:02 |
| nuba | danny_mk: you can enable debugging output to the logs at the /data/WebGUI/etc/log.conf file | 00:03 |
| nuba | replace "log4perl.logger = WARN, mainlog" with "log4perl.logger = DEBUG, mainlog" | 00:04 |
| @rizenisaway | i have some experience with that | 00:05 |
| @rizenisaway | =) | 00:05 |
| nuba | otherwise I've been using Data::Dumper too | 00:05 |
| @rizenisaway | i'm not really here...leaving for the rest of the day in about 2 minutes | 00:05 |
| nuba | would love to learn more debugging technique | 00:05 |
| nuba | for webgui | 00:05 |
| nuba | i really miss using things like ddd | 00:06 |
| @rizenisaway | don't know what ddd is | 00:09 |
| @rizenisaway | but debugging is best done by putting info message in | 00:09 |
| @rizenisaway | my $error = $session->errorHandler; | 00:09 |
| @rizenisaway | $error->info("executing this function") | 00:09 |
| @rizenisaway | $error->info("now doing this"); | 00:09 |
| @rizenisaway | $error->info("got to this point"); | 00:10 |
| @rizenisaway | and then setting your log level at "INFO" | 00:10 |
| @rizenisaway | that way you can leave your debug code in even in production environments | 00:10 |
| @rizenisaway | if you truely are outputting debug data though | 00:10 |
| @rizenisaway | then you should use the debug method | 00:10 |
| nuba | i think i've heard about changing debug level during runtime with log4perl | 00:11 |
| danny_mk | I just trying adding a Wiki to a couple of the sites that I maintain and I get a sql error | 00:11 |
| danny_mk | however when I run the same query from the log on the sql prompt it works perfect | 00:11 |
| @rizenisaway | $error->debug("Output of array X: ".Data::Dumper::Dumper(\@array)); | 00:11 |
| nuba | or turning it on just for a specific package too | 00:11 |
| nuba | rizenisaway: is there any runtime debugging tool for webgui ? | 00:11 |
| @rizenisaway | oh, in that case you want to actually turn on DEBUG mode | 00:12 |
| @rizenisaway | yes | 00:12 |
| danny_mk | ok, let me try that | 00:12 |
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| @rizenisaway | go into Admin Console > Settings > Misc | 00:12 |
| @rizenisaway | and turn on "Show Debugging" | 00:12 |
| nuba | that is the debug info at the bottom of the page, right? | 00:12 |
| @rizenisaway | if it's on a production site you can also specify your ip address in CIDR notation and then only you'll see the debug | 00:12 |
| @rizenisaway | yeah | 00:13 |
| nuba | i mean with 'next', 'step into', etc. | 00:13 |
| @rizenisaway | 10.0.0.1/32 | 00:13 |
| @rizenisaway | no | 00:13 |
| @rizenisaway | you can't really do that on the web | 00:13 |
| @rizenisaway | that works well in event driven programming | 00:13 |
| @rizenisaway | like desktop apps | 00:13 |
| @rizenisaway | but it's not so good for stateless linear programming like the web | 00:13 |
| danny_mk | darnit!!! | 00:14 |
| danny_mk | WebGUI::Session::ErrorHandler::fatal[208] - Stack trace for FATAL Couldn't execute prepared statement: select asset.assetId, revisionDate from assetData left join asset on assetData.assetId=asset.assetId where | 00:14 |
| danny_mk | lineage like ? and lineage<>? and status='approved' order by revisionDate desc limit ? : With place holders: 000001000002000017%, 000001000002000017, 10. Root cause: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ''10'' at line 2 | 00:14 |
| nuba | rizenisaway: well i think i vaguely remember seeing something about doing that before | 00:14 |
| nuba | it was something about debugging remotely | 00:15 |
| nuba | using ptkdb iirc | 00:16 |
| nuba | this was it: http://perl.apache.org/docs/1.0/guide/debug.html#Interactive_mod_perl_Debugging | 00:17 |
| @rizenisaway | i don't see any errors in what you're showing danny_mk | 00:17 |
| nuba | and http://perl.apache.org/docs/1.0/guide/debug.html#ptkdb_and_Interactive_mod_perl_Debugging specifically re:ptkdb | 00:18 |
| @rizenisaway | perhaps you have a corrupt database table or something | 00:18 |
| @rizenisaway | cd /path/to/mysql/databases | 00:18 |
| @rizenisaway | shutdown mysql | 00:18 |
| @rizenisaway | myisamchk -r *.MYI | 00:18 |
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| wgGuest13 | yo | 01:05 |
| wgGuest13 | what network is this? I normaly use a different IRC client | 01:06 |
| wgGuest13 | oh freenode | 01:06 |
| wgGuest13 | cool | 01:06 |
| wgGuest13 | brb | 01:06 |
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| danny_mk | GotIT! | 02:10 |
| danny_mk | I had an earlier version of DBD::mysql | 02:10 |
| danny_mk | later... | 02:16 |
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| nuba | here is the link to the graphical remote mod_perl runtime debugging http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/perl-modperl/200307.mbox/%3CPine.LNX.4.33.0307231255130.22147-300000@sharkey.morinda.com%3E | 05:35 |
| nuba | a nice article on that too, here http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2006/02/09/debug_mod_perl.html?page=1 | 05:36 |
| nuba | now, if you drop the 'graphical remote' part there's no need to patch anything | 05:41 |
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| +MrHairgrease | does anybody know the url of the 7.3.x stable svn repo? | 18:12 |
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| @rizen | yup | 18:13 |
| @rizen | https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/WebGUI_7.3 | 18:13 |
| @rizen | that will be $100 please | 18:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | sorry | 18:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | i don't hand out petty cash | 18:14 |
| @rizen | sorry for what? | 18:14 |
| @rizen | hehe | 18:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | thanks | 18:15 |
| @rizen | sorry, that was a typo on my part | 18:15 |
| @rizen | it was supposed to be $100bn | 18:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 18:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | like i said | 18:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | i meant pretty cash | 18:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 18:15 |
| @rizen | you are aware that there are no more 7.3 releases, right? | 18:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes i am | 18:15 |
| @rizen | k | 18:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 18:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | i wasnt come to think of it | 18:16 |
| @rizen | just didn't want you to do a bunch of work and then find out that it would never be released | 18:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | i though .4 bugfixes were backp[oterd | 18:16 |
| @rizen | 7.4.0 comes out tomorrow | 18:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | anyway | 18:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | i needed it for reference only | 18:16 |
| @rizen | if you ever need to find out what's in the repo | 18:17 |
| @rizen | you can browse it directly here https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/ | 18:17 |
| @rizen | or with a pretty interface here: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack | 18:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | hey thanks | 18:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's convenient | 18:18 |
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| WebGUI | hello :) | 19:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | hi | 19:23 |
| WebGUI | nice :) | 19:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | hi koen | 19:24 |
| WebGUI | hi martin | 19:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 19:24 |
| WebGUI | is mr rizen also here? | 19:24 |
| @rizen | yes | 19:24 |
| @rizen | long time no talk man | 19:24 |
| @rizen | welcome | 19:24 |
| WebGUI | thanks | 19:24 |
| WebGUI | I'm putting new energy into getting webgui to run smootly on our servers recently | 19:25 |
| WebGUI | I overheared someone speaking about a new wre | 19:25 |
| @rizen | indeed | 19:26 |
| WebGUI | what is the news? | 19:26 |
| @rizen | i'm working on a new wre | 19:26 |
| @rizen | the two main new features include | 19:26 |
| @rizen | a completely rebuilt API that can be tied into a provisioning systemm | 19:27 |
| @rizen | and a web based interface for managing the WRE, which also uses the new API | 19:27 |
| WebGUI | cool | 19:27 |
| @rizen | in addition, many updated modules, and tweaks suggested by users | 19:27 |
| WebGUI | should I wait for that? | 19:28 |
| @rizen | depends on what kind of a rush you're in | 19:28 |
| @rizen | it should be out in the next few weeks | 19:28 |
| @rizen | before the end of august for sure | 19:28 |
| @rizen | so if you need it now, then don't wait | 19:28 |
| @rizen | but if you can wait 2-4 weeks then yes you should | 19:28 |
| WebGUI | ok | 19:30 |
| WebGUI | I will wait then | 19:30 |
| WebGUI | and put my efforts into virtualisation of the os instead of getting the wre to run smootly on ubuntu lts | 19:31 |
| @rizen | in the next week or so i'm going to need help with testing and whatnot, should i give you holler? | 19:31 |
| @rizen | ubuntu is one of the OS's I plan to support natively for the WRE going forward | 19:31 |
| @rizen | RHEL, Ubuntu, OSX, FreeBSD, and Windows | 19:32 |
| WebGUI | sure | 19:32 |
| WebGUI | I can help out in the testing of it | 19:32 |
| @rizen | i guess is should mention the one other big feature that no one knows about yet except my staff | 19:33 |
| WebGUI | what version of freebsd would you want to support? | 19:33 |
| @rizen | there will be two versions of the WRE | 19:33 |
| @rizen | WRE and WDK | 19:33 |
| WebGUI | ah | 19:33 |
| WebGUI | wdk? | 19:33 |
| @rizen | WDK will have development tools built into it like subversion, api browser, etc | 19:33 |
| WebGUI | ah | 19:33 |
| WebGUI | the special developers edition of the wre | 19:34 |
| @rizen | indeed | 19:34 |
| @rizen | WDK = WebGUI Developers Kit | 19:34 |
| WebGUI | nice | 19:34 |
| @rizen | 6.2 | 19:35 |
| @rizen | for freebsd | 19:35 |
| WebGUI | will the wre contain cluster availability stuff? | 19:35 |
| WebGUI | ah ok | 19:35 |
| @rizen | no, that's for WRE 0.9 | 19:35 |
| WebGUI | ok | 19:35 |
| WebGUI | who is doing the development on wre? just you? | 19:35 |
| @rizen | yup, that's why it's going so slowly | 19:36 |
| WebGUI | ah | 19:36 |
| WebGUI | give me a call when you've got something worthy enough to test | 19:36 |
| @rizen | will do | 19:36 |
| WebGUI | I'll run it trough freebsd ubuntu and windows | 19:36 |
| @rizen | thanks for volunteering | 19:36 |
| WebGUI | it's about time | 19:37 |
| WebGUI | i've been too busy running a business for the last 8 months | 19:37 |
| WebGUI | that and rebuilding a house and getting married of course :) | 19:38 |
| @rizen | holy crap, you got married? | 19:38 |
| @rizen | i didn't know that | 19:38 |
| @rizen | MrHairGrease...how could you not keep me informed? | 19:38 |
| WebGUI | I sure did | 19:38 |
| @rizen | congrats | 19:39 |
| WebGUI | thanks | 19:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | i was probably drunk =) | 19:39 |
| WebGUI | hehe | 19:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that was Koen's fault as usual | 19:39 |
| @rizen | if i had been invited, i would have flown over just for that | 19:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 19:39 |
| WebGUI | i bet you would :) | 19:39 |
| WebGUI | I have to walk the dog, be back in 15 ok | 19:40 |
| @rizen | ok, i have to get back to 7.4 testing | 19:40 |
| WebGUI | ~ | 19:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | later | 19:40 |
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| WebGU1 | re | 20:14 |
| WebGU1 | the vrbsky softball team | 20:26 |
| WebGU1 | is what my eye sees | 20:26 |
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| WebGU1 | huh | 20:34 |
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| SynQ | hello again | 00:23 |
| @rizen | howdy | 00:23 |
| SynQ | I'm working on getting ubuntu installed on my home-desktop | 00:24 |
| SynQ | putting vmware server on there | 00:24 |
| SynQ | then I will put ubuntu 6.06 lts server on vmware | 00:25 |
| @rizen | you're getting the latest version right? | 00:25 |
| SynQ | and then wre on that | 00:25 |
| SynQ | :) | 00:25 |
| SynQ | 0.7.2 | 00:25 |
| SynQ | wre | 00:25 |
| SynQ | one of the first things I've noticed are: I need a new home-desktop computer | 00:26 |
| SynQ | and second: I need loads and loads of ram | 00:27 |
| SynQ | :) | 00:27 |
| @rizen | webgui pretty much requires 1GB of ram these days | 00:27 |
| @rizen | you can get away with less, but you need to configure the WRE differently | 00:27 |
| SynQ | I was thinking more along the lines of 12Gb ram | 00:27 |
| @rizen | 7.4 reduces the amount of ram used by 5MB per process | 00:27 |
| SynQ | for the entire workstation | 00:28 |
| @rizen | oh | 00:28 |
| @rizen | yeah for sure | 00:28 |
| SynQ | and about 4Gb per virtual machine | 00:28 |
| @rizen | if you're running vm's on it | 00:28 |
| SynQ | running 3 of them in parralel | 00:28 |
| SynQ | parrrralllllelll | 00:28 |
| SynQ | I'm also looking at blade servers for use in our data-center | 00:29 |
| @rizen | i hate blades | 00:29 |
| @rizen | always underpowered | 00:29 |
| SynQ | 4 times quad core processor per blade? | 00:29 |
| @rizen | does your datacenter charge you by the U? | 00:29 |
| SynQ | that is not underpowered | 00:29 |
| SynQ | nope | 00:29 |
| SynQ | by power and bandwith | 00:30 |
| SynQ | you sort of get rackspace for free | 00:30 |
| @rizen | ok, well i should say then that every blade i've had access to from our clients has been a big pile of shit | 00:30 |
| SynQ | but it's not for the consolidation on price that I want blade servers | 00:30 |
| SynQ | I want them for ease of administration | 00:30 |
| SynQ | 2 chassis with each 10 or so blades in them | 00:31 |
| SynQ | but I'm still calculating | 00:31 |
| SynQ | scale is everything with them blades | 00:31 |
| SynQ | what kind of hardware does plainblack use these days? | 00:33 |
| SynQ | we use mostly opteron supermicro servers | 00:33 |
| SynQ | with sata disks | 00:34 |
| @rizen | we use dual xeons with dual cores | 00:36 |
| @rizen | and scsi disks | 00:36 |
| @rizen | although we're starting to experiment with sata disks | 00:36 |
| SynQ | no unattached storage? | 00:37 |
| @rizen | we don't get charged for space either, so instead of using rack mounted hardware (which is more expensive), we just use tower boxes, which we can buy real cheap | 00:37 |
| @rizen | no NAS | 00:37 |
| @rizen | well i shouldn't say that | 00:37 |
| @rizen | we use NAS in our clusters | 00:37 |
| @rizen | but not as a general rule on all storage | 00:37 |
| SynQ | ah | 00:38 |
| SynQ | tower boxes seem to get you a lot of clutter | 00:38 |
| SynQ | but well, they are cheap | 00:38 |
| @rizen | they do, but our data center has tons of free space | 00:38 |
| @rizen | racks and rails and rack mounted cases are expensive comparatively | 00:39 |
| @rizen | and basically for no reason | 00:39 |
| SynQ | that is true | 00:39 |
| SynQ | well, the reason is that there are no millions of servers produced | 00:40 |
| @rizen | i think the reason is they know only business uses them, and so they soak the businesses for as much as they can | 00:40 |
| SynQ | that could also be true | 00:41 |
| SynQ | ok, time for bed | 01:38 |
| SynQ | ~ | 01:38 |
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| @rizen | bye SynQ | 01:41 |
| SynQ | later | 01:41 |
| SynQ | I'll be awaiting your 'look at this' call | 01:41 |
| @rizen | you shall have it asap | 01:41 |
| SynQ | :) | 01:41 |
| SynQ | ~ | 01:41 |
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| +crythias | does anyone play risk? | 01:56 |
| @rizen | i do | 01:57 |
| +crythias | I host a java risk game once in a while. | 01:58 |
| +crythias | I mean, it's more of a pick=up game than a scheduled event. | 01:58 |
| +crythias | http://jrisk.sourceforge.net/ | 02:00 |
| +crythias | probably one of the best versions I've played | 02:00 |
| @rizen | i play iconquer a lot | 02:00 |
| @rizen | http://www.kavasoft.com/iConquer/index.php | 02:01 |
| @rizen | well i shouldn't say a lot | 02:01 |
| @rizen | i should say whenever i play risk | 02:01 |
| @rizen | i don't have a lot of time to play games these days | 02:02 |
| @rizen | summers are very busy for me | 02:02 |
| @rizen | i'd love to play you in risk sometime | 02:03 |
| +crythias | np. | 02:03 |
| +crythias | I'm currently playing said version atm. | 02:04 |
| +crythias | game runs about <10 minutes. | 02:04 |
| @rizen | i'm testing for 7.4 at the moment | 02:05 |
| @rizen | and my computer is running so slow i can barely load a web page | 02:05 |
| +crythias | is there any way that WRE doesn't have to expand to almost 400MB? | 02:06 |
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| @rizen | it doesn't have any non-essentials | 02:06 |
| @rizen | however, i'm adding a build option in to WRE 0.8 for | 02:07 |
| @rizen | WDK | 02:07 |
| @rizen | WRE will be just what you need to run WebGUI | 02:07 |
| @rizen | and WDK will include development tools | 02:07 |
| @rizen | that way we can try to streamline WRE as much as possible for runtime | 02:08 |
| * SDuensin cheers for rizen | 02:08 | |
| +crythias | As I had mentioned previously, I had purchased a bunch of 512MB SD cards from woot. | 02:08 |
| @rizen | my thought is that it can remove things like the api browser, documentation, and so forth | 02:08 |
| @rizen | what is a bunch? | 02:09 |
| +crythias | well, it was a 2fer, so 3x2=6 | 02:09 |
| +crythias | not "bunch" but certainly more than one. | 02:09 |
| @rizen | i thought maybe you meant like an overstock sale or a discontinued sale | 02:10 |
| @rizen | so you bought 1000 of them | 02:10 |
| @rizen | or something | 02:10 |
| +crythias | but the thing is, these have built-in USB. Ostensibly, it means this card could possibly boot | 02:10 |
| @rizen | well if you get a tiny linux distro | 02:11 |
| @rizen | you might be able to do | 02:11 |
| @rizen | it | 02:11 |
| +crythias | yeah, it's gotta be super tiny. | 02:11 |
| +crythias | but I need to start with a recent kernel. | 02:12 |
| +crythias | http://code.google.com/p/ubuntutrinux/ | 02:14 |
| +crythias | this might be a good start | 02:14 |
| @rizen | i have now conducted two full days of testing on 7.4 and believe it's ready for the beta cycle | 02:35 |
| +crythias | :) | 02:39 |
| nuba | cool | 02:57 |
| nuba | rizen: how's the schedule ahead, after 7.4.0 ? | 02:57 |
| @rizen | there is no schedule beyond 7.4 | 03:11 |
| @rizen | per our new stability program | 03:11 |
| @rizen | we don't branch for the next release until the current release has an empty bug list | 03:11 |
| nuba | ok | 03:25 |
| nuba | i was reading the backlog, cool about the wdk | 03:27 |
| @rizen | we'll see if it's cool or not. | 03:27 |
| @rizen | i'm hoping so | 03:27 |
| nuba | well it sounds cool at least | 03:27 |
| @rizen | but you never know | 03:27 |
| @rizen | people may get pissed that there are two seperate types of wres | 03:28 |
| nuba | well wont it be just like an add-on to the wre ? | 03:28 |
| @rizen | no, it will be two separate distributions | 03:29 |
| @rizen | from the wre source you decide whether or not you want the wdk tools at build time | 03:29 |
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| @rizen | anybody got some free time to play with a cool new feature? | 03:41 |
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| -!- rizen changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.4.0 | WRE 0.7.2 ] .:. Come To The WUC http://www.plainblack.com/wuc .:. Feel free to ask questions on here - but make sure you stick around long enough for us to answer! :) | 04:50 | |
| @rizen | 7.4.0 has been unleashed upon the world | 04:50 |
| @rizen | all hail it's brilliance | 04:50 |
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| elnino | hello? | 08:52 |
| elnino | I just upgraded to the newest and greatest webgui , and have a question about the new improved calendar. | 08:54 |
| @rizen | what newest. 7.3.22 or 7.4.0? | 08:54 |
| elnino | 7.3.22 | 08:55 |
| elnino | I was just hoping for a way to provide our users a list of events. | 08:55 |
| elnino | I modified the monthly view default to list the events, but I don't know how to get the event's past the "current month" | 08:56 |
| elnino | sorry, I just want to list ALL the events in the calendar. but it only seems to list the current month's events. Hopeufally that makes more sense. | 08:57 |
| @rizen | the 7.3 calendar does not have a list view | 08:57 |
| @rizen | it's on the feature request list | 08:57 |
| elnino | I just found http://www.webgui.org/user_contributions/user_contributions/packages/calendar-event-list-for-7.3.11 | 08:58 |
| elnino | I'm wondering if that will work. | 08:58 |
| @rizen | no idea | 08:58 |
| elnino | the file exentions is wqpkg does that mean anything to you? | 08:58 |
| @rizen | yes, that's a webgui package | 08:59 |
| @rizen | you import it through the asset manager | 08:59 |
| elnino | hmm. ok. is that something new? I dont' recall anything called that. | 09:00 |
| @rizen | been in there since 6.8 | 09:00 |
| elnino | oh. I'll see what I can do with it. I guess I haven't done this before. | 09:01 |
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| elnino | hello | 09:14 |
| elnino | I just imported that package I just found when I was talking with rizen, and my home page doesn't display anymore. | 09:14 |
| @rizen | did you import it on your homepage? | 09:15 |
| elnino | no. that's the weird thing. | 09:15 |
| @rizen | does your homepage have a calendar? | 09:15 |
| elnino | Well, at least I don't think I did. | 09:15 |
| elnino | no. the home page doesn't have a calendar. | 09:15 |
| @rizen | no idea then | 09:16 |
| @rizen | go rollback the package | 09:16 |
| @rizen | example.com?op=adminConsole | 09:16 |
| elnino | whew Glad to know I can do that. | 09:16 |
| elnino | it's weird, I went to assets and my home page exists with all of it's stuff (in the asset tree), but it just doesn't display. weird. I'll go roll back now.... | 09:17 |
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| elnino_ | Thanks rizen, my home page is back. weird, just weird. I've had enough fun now. | 09:20 |
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| Radix-laptop | Greetings from Holland :) | 12:58 |
| AMH_bob | :P Aussie infiltration alert! | 13:10 |
| AMH_bob | Boy, did you bring bad weather! | 13:10 |
| Radix-laptop | oi! I brought good weather! | 13:11 |
| Radix-laptop | Was sunny in London when I arrived at Heathrow.. they were all raving about how it finally looked like summer had arrived. And it's been nice so far here in Delft.. was a little rain this morning, but should be a nice week :) | 13:12 |
| AMH_bob | Ok, I'll hold you to that! Have a great vacation! | 13:17 |
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| AMH_bob | Goodmorning | 16:09 |
| AMH_bob | Hurried for nothing, turns out you entered the room 19 min ago! | 16:10 |
| SDuensin | Hehehe | 16:22 |
| SDuensin | Greetings! | 16:22 |
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| * SDuensin screams at the WRE again | 18:06 | |
| SDuensin | 2290 nobody 25 0 74320 60m 2816 R 33.3 6.1 10:36.23 httpd | 18:07 |
| SDuensin | 2666 nobody 25 0 75076 61m 2836 R 33.3 6.2 0:57.38 httpd | 18:07 |
| SDuensin | 2675 nobody 25 0 74416 60m 2832 R 33.3 6.1 4:04.86 httpd | 18:07 |
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| @rizen | so radix, what are you doing in delft? i thought you were hanging out with the folks from UnitedKnowledge | 18:29 |
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| SDuensin | rizen, any idea where I should even begin to look to see why my httpds are running away on me? I'm using FC4, stock WRE, stock WebGUI. Pretty standard setup. | 18:56 |
| @rizen | nope | 18:56 |
| SDuensin | I even tried to kick it. | 18:56 |
| SDuensin | How can WebGUI hate it's #1 fan so much? | 18:57 |
| @rizen | are you looking in the logs? | 18:58 |
| @rizen | how often are processes being killed? | 18:58 |
| @rizen | are you still running the runaway monitor? | 18:58 |
| @rizen | if so, how often are you getting runways? | 18:58 |
| SDuensin | Runaway thing doesn't work on FC4 and I've not had time to fix it. | 18:58 |
| @rizen | FC4 btw is not a standard setup | 18:59 |
| @rizen | FC4 is very old | 18:59 |
| SDuensin | Yea, but it's as close as I could get. | 18:59 |
| SDuensin | Looks like Apache2::SizeLimit is killing things on occasion. | 19:00 |
| @rizen | it should be killing them on occasion | 19:00 |
| SDuensin | Yea. | 19:00 |
| @rizen | the question is how often | 19:00 |
| @rizen | how many requests | 19:00 |
| @rizen | second, you need to get the runaway monitor working so you can see how often you have runaways | 19:00 |
| @rizen | that may give some indication of why they are happening | 19:01 |
| SDuensin | Oh, here's a possible lead... The last entries in modproxy's error log are connection attempts from the WebGUI HTTP Proxy asset. | 19:01 |
| @rizen | i was just going to say | 19:01 |
| @rizen | there have been reports of the HTTP Proxy causing runaways | 19:01 |
| @rizen | i've never been able to reproduce, but i've heard it before | 19:02 |
| SDuensin | Ah, ok. I'd bet that's the culprit. It's used on one of my more popular sites. | 19:02 |
| @rizen | instead of using an HTTP proxy, try using an <iframe> in a snippet | 19:02 |
| SDuensin | I'll suggest that. | 19:03 |
| SDuensin | The responsible party is in the next office over from me. :-) | 19:03 |
| SDuensin | Oh, and she bought the book. It's nice! I want one for me now. I can put it on my shelf next to Gui (who I also need to buy). | 19:04 |
| @rizen | the next book in the series was finished last week | 19:05 |
| @rizen | it's in editing now | 19:05 |
| SDuensin | Oh!? | 19:05 |
| SDuensin | What's it cover? | 19:05 |
| @rizen | it's about design topics, templating, navigation, etc | 19:05 |
| SDuensin | Excellent. | 19:05 |
| SDuensin | You guys are kickin' ass. | 19:05 |
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| @preaction | is there a way we can detect if an asset gets corrupted and deal with it automatically? apparently i've got about a dozen version tags trying to commit assets that are missing data | 00:56 |
| @rizen | yup you can automatically log yourself in to mysql, and automatically type your username and password, and automatically manually massage the data | 00:57 |
| @rizen | =) | 00:57 |
| @preaction | good thing we're both on the same page | 00:59 |
| @rizen | the problem with corruption is the API doesn' tknow how to deal with it | 00:59 |
| @rizen | that's why it's corrupt | 00:59 |
| @rizen | so there's no way for us to fix that without adding some functionality to do that, and at that point why not just deal with the corruption rather than deleting it | 01:00 |
| @preaction | i think that mysql is rather vocal about failures, buried in the logs somewhere i imagine is the exact problem | 01:00 |
| @preaction | and we're running with RaiseError => 0; why do DBI/mysql problems still cause fatals? | 01:01 |
| @preaction | weird... | 01:02 |
| @rizen | because you're a threadjacker | 01:05 |
| @preaction | karma is a cruel mistress indeed | 01:06 |
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| SDuensin | Hello! | 01:30 |
| @preaction | rizen, you wouldn't happen to know if the new password recovery feature for 7.4 only works with the WebGUI authType? it seems like it should work with any authType (as long as hooks are written correctly) | 02:30 |
| @preaction | i've got a problem where it looks for the correct authType, but my authType is "otherauthtype" it just inherits everything from Auth/WebGUI | 02:31 |
| @preaction | better yet: i should make a getType method that gets the value that should be in the authType field, and use that instead of hard-coded stuff | 02:32 |
| @preaction | nevermind, that seems to be what the authMethod() sub is for. | 02:38 |
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| +crythias | hrm | 05:14 |
| @preaction | i need to get more commits than drake and steve so i can feel better about myself. should i just commit random changes to the changelog? | 05:15 |
| @preaction | i need 27 more commits | 05:15 |
| +crythias | I don't think people realize the importance of the idea of css rollovers. | 05:15 |
| @preaction | http://www.ohloh.net/projects/103/analyses/latest/contributors | 05:15 |
| +crythias | sure, people can do cool things like this... http://yellatducks.com/css-rollovers-simplified | 05:15 |
| @preaction | always love the moving background rollover | 05:16 |
| +crythias | but I was thinking... why not have some jointed puppet point at (or eyes looking at) the selection. | 05:16 |
| +crythias | then again, I was thinking why does this have to be limited to menu items. | 05:17 |
| +crythias | Like, you know those things called "Fashion Plates" back in the day? | 05:17 |
| +crythias | you could put different blouses, skirts, legs, whatever under a piece of paper and rub colored pencils on it to get the whole outfit like a charcoal rubbing. | 05:18 |
| +crythias | well, the point is ... um somewhere. like, um. images of people that could change torsoes or heads by hovering over them. yeah. | 05:19 |
| @preaction | sounds more like flash, you could so some very fun things that way | 05:20 |
| @preaction | or SVG + javascript | 05:20 |
| +crythias | somewhere, in the vast reaches of space, a star just went nova ... and then collapsed into itself. | 05:20 |
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| +crythias | awe. | 05:23 |
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| crythia2 | hrm | 05:49 |
| crythia2 | /recover crythia1 | 05:50 |
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| crythia2 | freakin doppelganger | 05:52 |
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| crythia2 | hrm. | 06:01 |
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| @rizen | i need to commit 1000 more times to be inline with colin | 06:30 |
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| crythia2 | btw doesn't change to userprofiledata table= api change? | 07:01 |
| @rizen | no, the api is the same | 07:07 |
| @rizen | the database is different | 07:07 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:46 |
| xootom | hi sduensin | 16:03 |
| SDuensin | Hey xootom | 16:07 |
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| xootom | has anyone here used the adduser.pl script? | 17:19 |
| @rizen | yup | 17:21 |
| xootom | is it possible to call it by url? i'm wondering if it's a solution to my problem, i need to add users to a company, where the company is from an external database, so I can use an SQL Report to create the url for adduser.pl...? and set the user profile field workName from that | 17:25 |
| Radix-europe | I have written a url version of it | 17:26 |
| xootom | or is there another way of setting a user profile field for an existing user from a query | 17:27 |
| Radix-europe | it's in the contribs section I think | 17:27 |
| xootom | i think i found it, but didn't know where to install it in the filesystem so it's accessible through the browser, without webgui trying to parse the url | 17:27 |
| Radix-europe | Are you using the wre? | 17:27 |
| xootom | yep | 17:27 |
| Radix-europe | then you can use the cgi-bin directory | 17:28 |
| xootom | ah that makes sense | 17:28 |
| xootom | thanks | 17:28 |
| Radix-europe | in /data/wre/prereqs/apache/cgi-bin | 17:28 |
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| AMH_bob | perlbot math 1 + 1 | 17:28 |
| perlbot | 2 | 17:28 |
| Radix-europe | except in extreme values of 1 | 17:29 |
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| AMH_bob | :P | 17:29 |
| xootom | webgui returns a page not found error when i try /cgi-bin/adduser.pl, after putting the file there | 17:31 |
| Radix-europe | got execute permissions? | 17:36 |
| xootom | yeah | 17:36 |
| Radix-europe | Hmm.. not sure what else it might be | 17:37 |
| Radix-europe | check your apache configs - maybe the cgi-bin bit isn't enabled? | 17:37 |
| Radix-europe | there's a wiki page I wrote to tell you how to allow paths to drop through in webgui too if you get stuck | 17:38 |
| xootom | yeah it seems to be, script alias etc all looks fine | 17:38 |
| xootom | ahh that'll help, i'll have a look thanks | 17:38 |
| Radix-europe | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/how-to-get-passthruurls-to-work | 17:39 |
| Radix-europe | Well I'm off - so good luck with it! :) | 17:40 |
| xootom | thanks :) | 17:40 |
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| elnino | hello? | 17:44 |
| elnino | Good morning... I was wondering how you can unarchive items from a collarboration system. SQL is acceptable. | 17:45 |
| elnino | running 7.3.22 | 17:45 |
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| elnino | does a user have to have certain permissions to see the items she archived in a collaboration system? When I'm logged in as here, I don't see them in the asset tree. | 17:54 |
| @rizen | archived threads are only available via searching | 17:58 |
| @rizen | you can unarchive a thread by searching for it, and then clicking the unarchive link on the thread | 17:58 |
| elnino | we tried that, but non of them came up.. I'll try it again. | 18:00 |
| elnino | are you here all the time rizen? | 18:01 |
| @rizen | no not all the time | 18:02 |
| @rizen | just most of the time | 18:02 |
| elnino | well, thanks for all your help. I'll give the search thing a try again. bye | 18:02 |
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| elnino | hi rizen. nope, searching doesn't help. Do you know what that search is searching? Actually, I should have been a little more specific. I'm talking about the job posting collaboration system | 18:05 |
| @rizen | it doesn't matter what collaboration system | 18:06 |
| elnino | the two jobs I know that are archived are both engineers, and searching for engineer didn't come up with any. Is there a place in the assets area to view them? | 18:06 |
| @rizen | if they aren't coming up, then they aren't archived, they are deleted | 18:06 |
| elnino | nope, I watched her do it. And we immediately searched for them. | 18:06 |
| @rizen | if you look in the asset manager you can see all threads archived or not | 18:06 |
| @rizen | if they aren't there then they don't exist | 18:06 |
| elnino | then there is a bug... but I'll look again to make sure. I'll check the trash too. bye. | 18:07 |
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| elnino | hi rizen. We're both right. | 18:11 |
| elnino | If I search in the asset tree, they come up | 18:11 |
| elnino | but if I click on the thread I want, it goes to the location that it is, but doesn't show up. | 18:12 |
| elnino | and from the webgui front end, the search doesn't display them either. | 18:12 |
| elnino | so they do exist, but aren't showing up. | 18:12 |
| elnino | hopefully that makes sense. | 18:13 |
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| xootom | online help table of contents has vanished from my site, 7.4.0 bug? | 18:20 |
| @rizen | no | 18:21 |
| @rizen | did you read the new help | 18:21 |
| @rizen | the very top of the page | 18:21 |
| SDuensin | WHOA! WAIT! 7.4.0?! When did that happen?! | 18:21 |
| @rizen | sunday night | 18:21 |
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| * SDuensin smacks his head | 18:21 | |
| SDuensin | I read the topic several times a day to keep current. Talk about asleep at the wheel! | 18:22 |
| elnino | is there a way I run a query to get my archived items back to display for content managers and within the asset tree (via manage) The only place they show up is asset search. hohpefauly that makes sense. | 18:25 |
| @rizen | SD, you should subscribe to the advisories list on getwebgui.com | 18:26 |
| SDuensin | Good idea. Thanks. | 18:26 |
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| SDuensin | Oh, and our proxy asset that was killing the WRE was trying to pull a page that had disappeared. Oops. | 18:27 |
| SDuensin | Maybe that'll help track down the problem. | 18:27 |
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| xootom | the top of the help page, says more help in the wiki, is that what you mena | 18:29 |
| xootom | *mean | 18:29 |
| xootom | there's still the view contents link at the edge, to viewhelptoc, which just goes back to the main site | 18:31 |
| SDuensin | Dang rizen - that's quite the update. | 18:45 |
| SDuensin | Do you recommend 7.4 or wait until it's stable? | 18:45 |
| @rizen | stable | 18:45 |
| SDuensin | Is there a schedule for that? Or is it one of those "when we feel warm and fuzzy"? | 18:46 |
| * SDuensin is excited. | 18:46 | |
| @rizen | it's when the buglist is clean | 19:05 |
| SDuensin | Makes sense. | 19:07 |
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| wgGuest68 | hello - i was wondering if anyone could help me, as when useing addsite to make a site it makes all the files in the /etc direcory and the / instead of /data/WebGUI/etc | 20:16 |
| wgGuest68 | does this make any sence to any of you? | 20:16 |
| @preaction | not really. do you mean it put the webgui configuration into /etc instead of /data/WebGUI/etc? | 20:16 |
| wgGuest68 | no - its decided to make the files in the /etc direcory - everything else is setup in the /data/WebGUI | 20:17 |
| @preaction | what do you mean by "make the files"? | 20:18 |
| wgGuest68 | well - if i run addsite - it gives the following: [peter@ns sbin]$ ./addsite --sitename=217.199.191.178 --admin-db-pass=PASSWORD | 20:18 |
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| @preaction | wgGuest68, you should probably be running addsite as root, unless "peter" has access to /data/domains and /data/WebGUI | 20:19 |
| wgGuest68 | i've tried doing the same with root as well as my usename | 20:19 |
| wgGuest68 | do you know where webgui sets the varibles for its defult directory? | 20:20 |
| @preaction | what versions of webgui / wre are you running? | 20:21 |
| wgGuest68 | i'm running wre 0.7.2 and the latest webgui - but in the middle of updating my perl modules to cope - as have recently run the upgrade.pl script | 20:22 |
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| @preaction | wgGuest68, do you have /data/wre/lib/Hoster directory? | 20:24 |
| wgGuest68 | yes | 20:24 |
| wgGuest68 | thanks alot for this! | 20:25 |
| wgGuest68 | i've been going round in circles for hours | 20:25 |
| @preaction | i can't seem to find where the webgui-home option is set to a default, so maybe if you add the --webgui-home=/data/WebGUI to your addsite? | 20:25 |
| wgGuest68 | ok - will give that a go | 20:25 |
| @preaction | while you're at it, you may have to specify a domain-home=/data/domains as well | 20:28 |
| @preaction | and while you're at it also, you may want to post a bug. i don't know why nobody's noticed this before, or maybe i'm just off my rocker, but i can't see anywhere where the default for those options are set | 20:30 |
| @rizen | check /data/wre/var/hoster.arg.cache | 20:30 |
| wgGuest68 | ok - well - addsite has now stoped working | 20:31 |
| wgGuest68 | arghhh | 20:31 |
| wgGuest68 | i think i need another cup of coffee!!! | 20:31 |
| @preaction | okay, now i see how it all works | 20:31 |
| @rizen | what's a word for when you're talking down to someone | 20:33 |
| @rizen | as in you think that you're smarter than they are | 20:33 |
| @rizen | They are _____ you. | 20:33 |
| @preaction | beneath? | 20:33 |
| @rizen | no | 20:33 |
| @rizen | i'm actually looking for the word that describes it | 20:33 |
| @rizen | it's not sarcasm | 20:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | they are more studist than you | 20:34 |
| wgGuest68 | i've been searching everywhere for an answer - i think what i'm going to do is keep ure sugestions in mind then post a message board post when i sort it out! | 20:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | stupidist* | 20:34 |
| @preaction | condescending? | 20:34 |
| wgGuest68 | is it patronizing | 20:34 |
| @rizen | there you go | 20:34 |
| @rizen | both of those will work | 20:34 |
| @rizen | thank you | 20:34 |
| wgGuest68 | anyway - thanks for your help preaction | 20:37 |
| wgGuest68 | see u all soon | 20:37 |
| wgGuest68 | bye byue | 20:37 |
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| xootom | hi all, i posted this a while ago on the forum but didnt get a reply, has anyone got any ideas on how i can go about it: a more dynamic group membership? Say 10000 organisations in a database, that is updated through a crm system. Users in WebGui need to be attached to an organisation. I dont think this is really compatible with WebGUI groups (which are more like roles for security etc) ... rather a profile field containing the | 20:59 |
| @rizen | is it in the same database server (even if in separate databases) as webgui? | 21:01 |
| xootom | yep | 21:01 |
| @rizen | then you should be able to to use the Group SQL stuff to map them to WebGUI | 21:01 |
| @rizen | mind you, it involves creating all the groups in WebGUI, but at least the users could be looked up dynamically | 21:02 |
| xootom | isn't the group sql just to authenticate a user to be in a group | 21:02 |
| @rizen | maybe you better explain *exactly* what you're trying to accomplish | 21:02 |
| @rizen | what's the end result | 21:03 |
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| sno | Hello | 21:03 |
| @rizen | howdy | 21:04 |
| xootom | sure, it's for schools, so there is a huge database of schools. the users are teachers and students. They all need to be assigned to their school. The teachers then need to be able to pull SQL reports of their students, but not students in other schools, so only of a matching school id. The schools are all set up in a CRM database, there are 40 thousand or so.. maybe only 1000 schools will ever use it but students need the full | 21:04 |
| sno | Any experience with wre-0.7.2 on SUSE 10.2 x86_64? | 21:05 |
| @rizen | are the students and teachers all in the crm also, or just the schools? | 21:05 |
| @rizen | WRE on 64bit is entirely untested | 21:06 |
| xootom | just the schools, any new user (student) could register into any school, but we would manually assign teachers to a school for security | 21:06 |
| @rizen | not saying it can't work, just that we have no 64bit servers to test on | 21:06 |
| sno | I guess I'm at the bleeding edge then. | 21:06 |
| @preaction | i think SDuensin tried it already and had some problems with mysql | 21:06 |
| xootom | i had bit problems with 64 bit... various things just dont quite work | 21:06 |
| xootom | mainly all the perl modules and their dependencies, or compiling the wre | 21:06 |
| @rizen | yeah but where are the teachers assigned to the schools, in the crm or in webgui? | 21:06 |
| sno | The latest GCC doesn't like a syntax in one of the cpp code blocks. | 21:07 |
| SDuensin | Compiling the WRE on x64 wasn't fun. | 21:07 |
| SDuensin | I ended up using the 32 bit one. | 21:07 |
| sno | perl5.8.8 Configure doesn't know about /lib64 or /usr/lib64 | 21:07 |
| sno | I resolved those, but mod_perl is a PITA | 21:07 |
| xootom | rizen: teachers would be assigned in webgui | 21:08 |
| @rizen | xootom, ok that's what i wasn't getting | 21:08 |
| @rizen | in that case what you're going to need to do is write a script that can run as a cron and keep the school data in sync between webgui and your CRM | 21:09 |
| @rizen | the WebGUI side of things is pretty easy since we provide easy to access API's to our group system | 21:09 |
| xootom | would that still be using groups? | 21:09 |
| @rizen | but i don't know if that's true of your CRM | 21:09 |
| @rizen | yes, you should always use groups for grouping users regardless of whether it's just logical groups, or groups for security | 21:09 |
| xootom | would it handle 40k groups? | 21:10 |
| @rizen | the group api is both powerful and fast, so that's your way forward | 21:10 |
| @rizen | easily | 21:10 |
| SDuensin | 40k? Egads. | 21:10 |
| @rizen | actually, just let me look up how many groups we have on pb.com for example | 21:10 |
| @rizen | i think you'll be stunned | 21:10 |
| @preaction | there are 65,000+ on my current client project | 21:11 |
| xootom | it's sugarcrm so it's a pretty simple mysql structure | 21:11 |
| @rizen | hmmm...less than i thought, but still 13,338 | 21:11 |
| @rizen | but we have one client who i know has more than 250,000 groups | 21:11 |
| xootom | wow | 21:11 |
| @preaction | i think i needed to add single-column indexes to the groupings table on userId and groupId to improve performance of some client scripts (which I believe I added to 7.3.20's upgrade script) | 21:12 |
| xootom | one question if they are groups, how would the user choose the correct group, i guess i could use the group add macro and create a search? | 21:12 |
| @rizen | yeah, you can use the groupadd macro | 21:13 |
| @rizen | or you can even create a custom asset that provides more functionality | 21:13 |
| xootom | yeah, thanks | 21:13 |
| @rizen | you know when you click on "subscribe" in a collaboration system, that's actually sticking you in a group | 21:14 |
| @rizen | one group for the cs itself, and then one group for each thread that you subscribe to | 21:14 |
| xootom | ahh i didnt realise, are all those groups hidden from the group manager? | 21:14 |
| @rizen | yes | 21:14 |
| @rizen | groups that are dynamically created by the WebGUI subsystems hide themselves | 21:14 |
| @rizen | groups are your way forward, not the profiling system | 21:15 |
| xootom | great, are there docs for the group api? | 21:16 |
| @rizen | http://www.plainblack.com/downloads/builds/7.3.22-stable/api/Group.html | 21:16 |
| @preaction | cd /data/WebGUI/lib; perldoc WebGUI::Group | 21:16 |
| xootom | thank you | 21:17 |
| @rizen | there are also some group related methods in User.pm you want to check out | 21:17 |
| @rizen | http://www.plainblack.com/downloads/builds/7.3.22-stable/api/User.html | 21:17 |
| @rizen | but most of it is in Group.pm | 21:17 |
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| @rizen | you're welcome | 21:18 |
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| @rizen | doug, remember the hate i had for you yesterday? | 21:44 |
| @rizen | it's gone now. i just used your perl one liners thing to solve a huge problem i was having with the wre build script | 21:45 |
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| sno | risen: are you familiar with recompile with -fPIC errors? | 22:23 |
| sno | The best I can determine, it is requesting that I recompile the perl 5.8.8 with this flag so that mod_perl can use Dynaloader.o | 22:25 |
| sno | GCC 4.1.2 | 22:25 |
| @rizen | no idea man | 22:26 |
| @rizen | i'm actually very bad at the whole gcc thing, i just muddle my way through on an error by error basis | 22:26 |
| sno | I suspect you may need to be at some point. | 22:26 |
| @rizen | i don't actually know how to troubleshoot that stuff | 22:26 |
| @rizen | perhaps, but that is not today | 22:26 |
| sno | I'm trying, but the wre build takes about 30 minutes to get to that error for me. | 22:27 |
| @rizen | you know you don't have to build the whole wre all at once, right? | 22:27 |
| sno | 30 seconds to try something else, and 30 minutes to find out if it worked. | 22:27 |
| @rizen | ./build.sh --perl | 22:27 |
| @rizen | ./build.sh --apache | 22:27 |
| @rizen | ./build.sh --mysql | 22:27 |
| @rizen | you can run them individually | 22:28 |
| sno | Ah, I see | 22:28 |
| @rizen | type ./build.sh --help | 22:28 |
| @rizen | for a list of commands | 22:28 |
| sno | By doing that, it doesn't do clean? | 22:29 |
| @rizen | i don't remember if it does or not in 0.7.2 (i've been working with 0.8.0 for so long), but it doesn't matter | 22:30 |
| @rizen | because you already have the binaries for the previous steps | 22:30 |
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