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| xootom | i remember that copying an asset doesn't also copy its children, is there any way of doing so? (is that the intended copy behaviour or a limitation of wg?) | 00:20 |
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| Radix-europe | Is there still a developers site for webgui somewhere? Where is that located now? | 12:18 |
| Radix-europe | I recall there being a site with api documentation and the like somewhere | 12:18 |
| Radix-europe | Ahh.. API in the wiki has the link | 12:21 |
| xootom | hi radix, i got the addusers script passing through using the pass thru, it now executes fine but nothing seems to happen when i try adding users, no error message (unless I omit username etc). Have you tried it with 7.4.0 yourself? | 13:01 |
| Radix-europe | hmm.. not with 7.4 no | 13:36 |
| Radix-europe | try calling it from the command line | 13:36 |
| Radix-europe | see if it spits out any errors | 13:36 |
| Radix-europe | it should work with the 7.4 api fine (well.. unless someone changed something in the api that broke it! ;) | 13:37 |
| Radix-europe | i remember being told that the api is fixed for two years at last years WUC tho :) | 13:39 |
| xootom | ahh thanks that's working now :) when running from command line could see a path error on the config | 14:43 |
| xootom | is it possible to assign the user to a group> | 14:44 |
| Radix-europe | it is, but not using that code I'm afraid | 15:07 |
| Radix-europe | We do our groups using sql lookups to determine membership, so I never needed it when I wrote that code | 15:08 |
| Radix-europe | you could probably adapt the code from the userimport script tho | 15:08 |
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| xootom | ok thanks | 15:57 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning. | 16:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | hi | 16:06 |
| @rizen | thank you radix | 16:19 |
| Radix-europe | ? | 16:25 |
| @rizen | for adding keywords to a bunch of wiki stuff | 16:25 |
| Radix-europe | Ahh.. I saw the keywords there and thought.. cool.. might add a few :) | 16:25 |
| Radix-europe | found a duplicate developers guide too so wiped one of them and kept the newer one | 16:26 |
| @rizen | hopefully everybody else does the same...i think it will make it easier for people to find stuff | 16:26 |
| @rizen | cool | 16:26 |
| Radix-europe | yup, definitely | 16:26 |
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| Radix-europe | when I say wiped I mean blanked it out.. I can't actually delete it | 16:26 |
| @rizen | oh, do you know the url so i can do it? | 16:27 |
| @rizen | nevermind | 16:27 |
| @rizen | found it | 16:27 |
| Radix-europe | yeah, on top of the wiki list | 16:27 |
| Radix-europe | the tags are pretty cool :) | 16:27 |
| Radix-europe | only thing I realised while doing it is that we want to almost standardise on the keywords used in some ways | 16:28 |
| @rizen | that's the problem with all tagging systems | 16:28 |
| Radix-europe | true | 16:29 |
| @rizen | there is a method in the api to merge two tags into one | 16:29 |
| @rizen | buut i couldn't figure out a clean way of exposing that to the UI | 16:29 |
| Radix-europe | I was using the wiki a bit today looking up how to do things anyway, so just added the keywords while doing so :) | 16:29 |
| @rizen | so for now, it will just have to be a command line script or something | 16:29 |
| @rizen | i'm glad to know someone uses it | 16:30 |
| @rizen | i was afraid nobody was | 16:30 |
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| Radix-europe | I like your webgui lite idea btw | 16:30 |
| Radix-europe | but couldn't find anywhere to post comments on it :) | 16:30 |
| Radix-europe | I was thinking about how packages and themes are done at the moment will need to be simplified - and would be nice if it was | 16:31 |
| Radix-europe | atm there's quite a few steps to import a theme like zenlike, etc.. would be nice to make it automatic somehow.. ie. select theme and voila.. applied to every page, navigation working, etc | 16:32 |
| @rizen | there i've enabled comments | 16:32 |
| @rizen | sorry, just didn't realize i hadn't before | 16:32 |
| Radix-europe | np | 16:32 |
| @rizen | that sort of concept only works on small sites | 16:33 |
| @rizen | on large sites you could really **** someone by automatically and indescriminently applying a theme to every page | 16:33 |
| Radix-europe | yeah, but that's what you're aiming at with webgui lite, no? :) | 16:33 |
| Radix-europe | I know :) | 16:33 |
| @rizen | yeah, but that doesn't mean that all of webgui should function to serve the small guy | 16:33 |
| @rizen | it has to be a balance, and that balance is usually going to be applied using switches | 16:34 |
| @rizen | outside of the reach of the small guy | 16:34 |
| @rizen | make decisions for them | 16:34 |
| Radix-europe | Sure.. perhaps a theme wizard that looks for themes in /styles or something like that and then will apply them if they select it | 16:34 |
| @rizen | my thought on that was actually to make it a step in the site starter | 16:34 |
| @rizen | upload a theme and it will be automatically applied | 16:35 |
| Radix-europe | sounds good | 16:35 |
| @rizen | anyway...i'm glad to hear someone is actually reading the blog too, i thought it might only be a couple of people, but lately i've heard from many people who are reading it | 16:36 |
| Radix-europe | I read it all :) | 16:36 |
| * MrHairgrease has nothing better to do either =) | 16:36 | |
| Radix-europe | hehe | 16:37 |
| @rizen | well now that comments are enabled, i hope to see you guys not only reading, but throwing out feedback | 16:38 |
| Radix-europe | Well if I come up with any other ideas I will :) | 16:40 |
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| AMH_henry | I was looking through the 7.4.0 source code when I saw that WebGUI::AssetClipboard::www_copy is modified to allow duplication of an asset including its children. What I cannot find is where in the UI this feature is enabled. Any ideas? | 17:07 |
| @rizen | it's when you click on the copy button | 17:10 |
| AMH_henry | yes, but it's looking for with as form parameter. I don't see that one posted anywhere | 17:10 |
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| @rizen | ?func=copy;with=children | 17:19 |
| Radix-europe | Speaking of 7.4 - just checked out the new site starter - seems pretty good, though it seems to create the default pages regardless - is this intentional or going to be fixed later? | 17:22 |
| @rizen | it has to create the default pages...they have lots of good information on them like how to log in | 17:22 |
| @rizen | and the introductory movie | 17:22 |
| @rizen | and where to go to get more information | 17:23 |
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| Radix-europe | Hmm.. I don't necessarily agree | 17:23 |
| Radix-europe | Would be nice to have an option for that | 17:24 |
| @rizen | this is the part where i get to tell you that i have scorn for 7 generations of your family and it doesn't matter what you think | 17:24 |
| Radix-europe | For a new user - offer them a tutorial or something perhaps, but an user who's already used webgui before the first thing they will have to do is go and delete the pages etc | 17:24 |
| @rizen | yeah, but those experienced users will at least know how to do that | 17:25 |
| @rizen | stop whining you whiny whiner | 17:25 |
| Radix-europe | Sure, but surely there should be an option to turn it off or not have it if you don't want it ;) | 17:25 |
| @rizen | this is the part where i get to tell you that i'm not an rfe list | 17:25 |
| elnino | time for a topic change? =) | 17:26 |
| Radix-europe | hehe.. sounds like it ;) | 17:26 |
| @rizen | no, i'm just having fun with radix | 17:26 |
| elnino | ok. you maay continue. =) | 17:26 |
| @rizen | or maybe at the expense of radix | 17:26 |
| Radix-europe | I'm just giving my 2c :) | 17:26 |
| @rizen | and i'm just throwing hate back in your face | 17:27 |
| @rizen | so i think we're even | 17:27 |
| @rizen | =) | 17:27 |
| Radix-europe | uhuh | 17:27 |
| @rizen | ok, let me actually defend my position in a civilized manner rather than just throwing out fud | 17:27 |
| AMH_henry | @rizen: thanx. link works great | 17:27 |
| +crythias | hey. I think we should make webgui be php | 17:28 |
| +crythias | no, no. I mean asp | 17:28 |
| @rizen | 1) experienced users know how to delete pages | 17:28 |
| @rizen | 2) it only takes a few seconds to do so | 17:28 |
| +crythias | webgui as application | 17:28 |
| @rizen | 3) if you expose an option to delete the default pages noobs are going to click on it because they're noobs | 17:28 |
| @rizen | and can't help themselves | 17:28 |
| +crythias | :ACK: blank page! | 17:29 |
| +crythias | It's like I'm in WP5.1 DOS all over again | 17:29 |
| Radix-europe | okay - argument against | 17:29 |
| +crythias | or vim for that matte | 17:29 |
| @rizen | 4) currently the site starter doesn't need to know anything about what pages are in the database and therefore can function even for companies who create their own create.sql to start, which lots of hosting companies do | 17:29 |
| +crythias | matter | 17:29 |
| Radix-europe | 1) it's annoying having to delete them every time | 17:30 |
| Radix-europe | 2) they take up hard disk space and reserve urls | 17:30 |
| Radix-europe | 3) they're redundant once you've read them once - and could easily simply be on the webgui site | 17:30 |
| Radix-europe | since that's where you'd presumably downloaded webgui from anyway | 17:30 |
| Radix-europe | an option to either not add them, or even a command line option to addsite or something would cater for everyone - new and old user alike | 17:32 |
| elnino | are we discussing on whether to have default pages deletable in a new installation? | 17:32 |
| Radix-europe | yes | 17:32 |
| elnino | how about making it an option during installtion? | 17:33 |
| elnino | ie: install default pages, or not | 17:33 |
| Radix-europe | woohoo.. exactly what I've been asking for | 17:33 |
| Radix-europe | Anyway.. I see I won't get anywhere this way, so I'll try making an RFE for it | 17:34 |
| @rizen | the rfe isn't going to help you if you can't defend your argument | 17:34 |
| @rizen | your bullet points are good so far | 17:34 |
| @rizen | but they don't adequately address 3 and 4 | 17:34 |
| @rizen | of mine | 17:34 |
| elnino | are # 3 and 4 referring to the person installing? or the person that is doing the content manageent? | 17:35 |
| @rizen | 3 is referring to the new person coming to the webgui demo site, or a brand new webgui hosting site for the first time | 17:36 |
| Radix-europe | #3 can be addressed by simply explaining what the option does - and suggesting that users who are new to webgui click here (ie. recommended or something like that) | 17:37 |
| elnino | to me, the person installing isn't necessarily the person doing the content management. so to have the option to not install the pages during *installation* does seem to address #3a dn 4 | 17:38 |
| @rizen | 4 is referring to the many hosting companies out there that create their own create.sql files that are loaded rather than the default webgui create.sql file and therefore has information in it that we wouldn't know how to delete...or worse yet, they've just edited the default pages and so they have their default content which they don't want deleted using our asset ids | 17:38 |
| Radix-europe | #4 - Well it depends how this is implemented - if the default pages are put in a separate sql file and run only when selected then this would solve this | 17:38 |
| elnino | the content managemnt person can delete the pages manually if they want and when they want. | 17:38 |
| @rizen | radix: wrong on number 3 again, because PEOPLE DON'T READ | 17:38 |
| @rizen | they just click | 17:38 |
| elnino | but only the installer can decide whether to isntall them or not, and it would be to their benift to install them i f the content managers are noobs | 17:39 |
| Radix-europe | Sure they do - if you have a big fat (recommended) next to it and it's the default option they'll click it every time | 17:39 |
| @rizen | the default pages are not and will not be in a seperate SQL file | 17:39 |
| @rizen | it's just not possible to do that | 17:39 |
| Radix-europe | why not? | 17:40 |
| @rizen | have you seen the database schema? | 17:40 |
| xootom | is the default site configurable by the super administrator.., so if i'm offering a hosted webgui service, i could have a skeleton that i'd like created for all new sites with info on how to get support from myself, and that would be the new user's default each time, and give them a basic set of pages like contact, forums, gallery... | 17:41 |
| Radix-europe | xootom; at the moment the default site is hardcoded in the sql file - I'm arguing to change that a bit and make it easier for hosters to do exactly that | 17:42 |
| @rizen | look guys, i've got to get back to work. i don't have time to explain how all the internals of webgui work so that you can understand my argument. submit your RFE, and if it makes it to the top then we'll figure out a way to make it work | 17:42 |
| elnino | topic change? =) | 17:43 |
| xootom | could it use asset copy with children to copy a sub-tree out of the import node | 17:43 |
| elnino | or a package | 17:43 |
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| xootom | makes sense to me | 17:43 |
| AMH_henry | how about separate the default pages from create.sql and put them in a separate perl script instead? | 17:44 |
| elnino | suggested already... =) | 17:44 |
| elnino | I have a qeustion about rssfeeds | 17:45 |
| AMH_henry | rizen said that it cannot go to an new sql file, but a perl script is much easier to maintain | 17:45 |
| elnino | what does the "enable rssfeeds" do other than create a child "rss from parent' asset? i would have expectd it to provide an asset that allows a person to get the url of the feed. | 17:46 |
| elnino | or does is simply enable the ability, and I have to create the asset that gives the url to the user? | 17:46 |
| elnino | my guess is that the amount of sql statements it takes to create the default site is too huge for a perl script. | 17:47 |
| AMH_henry | we use scripts here to create pages directly as assets, no sql required | 17:48 |
| elnino | I don't know then. | 17:49 |
| xootom | can anyone help with a problem i've got, i must have overlooked something simple. can I pull an sql report, reporting on members of my class (which is a group) - so something like select * from results where group=myclass, so i can only see results for people in my class. Is there a macro to find the name of my group? | 17:49 |
| elnino | I think you can do that in the administrative side. View users in this group sort of thing. | 17:50 |
| @Haarg | there's a template variable rss.url to get the url for the rss feed | 17:50 |
| elnino | Haarg: is that only availabl ewhen I 'enable rss'? | 17:51 |
| xootom | yeah but i need the results of the sql report that only contain people in the group | 17:51 |
| @Haarg | yes. and it points to the 'RSS from Parent' asset. | 17:52 |
| elnino | right, it's in the administrave screen, or is your requirement to have it in a sql report? | 17:52 |
| elnino | thanks haarg. | 17:52 |
| Radix-europe | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/option-to-not-get-the-default-pages-when-you-create-a-new-webgui-site | 17:52 |
| xootom | yes the sql report needs to show different data depending on the group i'm in, so i see data related to my group | 17:53 |
| elnino | xootom: if you enbable debugging: would it display the sql statements being run from the administriave screen so you can copy it to create your sql report? | 17:54 |
| xootom | maybe but that would be the static statement wouldnt it? i need a placeholder in my sql report that reflects the current user's group at the time (if that makes sense) | 17:55 |
| elnino | oh. I'm pretty sure there is a macro that gives you your group. Use that macro in the sql statement that you grab from the debugging. | 17:56 |
| elnino | I have another question: I'm setting a scratch variable in a macro that is called from a sql-based group: $session->scratch->set("loginat","here"); | 17:57 |
| elnino | And then I'm reading it from a displayLogin in my Auth.pm module: $self->session->scratch->get("loginat"); | 17:57 |
| elnino | but it doesn't seeem to be able to get it. I read somewhere that scratch variables are renamed, is this the case in which it renames scratch variables? | 17:57 |
| elnino | are scratch variables cookies or session variables? | 17:57 |
| @Haarg | they are linked to your session | 17:58 |
| elnino | is there a way to dump your session variables? because i can set them and read them just fine within the auth module, but not when it's set in a macro and then retrieved from the auth mod. | 17:59 |
| @Haarg | there isn't a macro to get your group. i'm not sure how that would work even, given that users can be in multiple groups. | 18:00 |
| @Haarg | you could look in the database, in the userSessionScratch table | 18:00 |
| elnino | thanks haarg. | 18:01 |
| elnino | xootom, haarg: oh.. I think I've been able to dump groups some how. I'll have to log off to get it. (site is behind I firewall, and I have to vpn to get there) I'll be back, if you can wait? | 18:01 |
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| xootom | yeah :) thanks | 18:02 |
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| elnino_ | xootom. I don't have a macro, but if you create a macro that calls $u->getGroups (from the Users.pm) then I think you'll get what you want. | 18:09 |
| xootom | ok that helps, i'll have a go. many thanks | 18:10 |
| elnino_ | I have another question: I create my own auth mod, and would like to redirect users to a offsite login form. Is there an appropriate place in the WebGUI.pm auth (my auth mod is a copy of it) mod, that will allow me to redirect the user before anything is written to the headers? | 18:11 |
| elnino_ | I tried doing this in the displayLogin proceedure, but stuff was already written to the headers. | 18:11 |
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| elnino_ | hopefully that makes sense? | 18:13 |
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| Radix-europe | Hey doug | 18:16 |
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| elnino_ | Hi. I'll reword my question: I've copied the webgui.pm auth module as my own, and would like to instead redirect a user to the login screen (a static page). Is there an appropriate place to do this? I tried within the displayLogin proceedure, but html has been written already, so I couldn't redirect the user. Or is it too late by the time that auth mod is instanciated? | 18:20 |
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| elnino_ | hopefully someone can tell? | 18:30 |
| elnino_ | *help* | 18:31 |
| pjesi | sorry don't know yet, but I am starting to do similar stuff | 18:32 |
| elnino_ | glad to know that it's not a crazy idea. | 18:33 |
| elnino_ | I've mananged to rewrite the form so that it submits to the static page, but that's not working to well, and someting tells me that's not really a good idea. The static login page is on a different subdomain. What have you all tried pjesi? | 18:35 |
| pjesi | elnino_: you are way ahead of me, I am just starting to figure out how to implement the custom auth module | 18:36 |
| elnino_ | if anyone is looking into my question, plesae let me know and I'll wait, otherwise, I need to log off to vpn into work. - I can't work while logged into this. | 18:48 |
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| @rizen | quick opinion poll | 18:59 |
| @rizen | If you ran the following command: ./wreservice.pl --start mysql | 18:59 |
| @rizen | and it fails | 18:59 |
| @rizen | do you want it to say | 19:00 |
| @rizen | a) nothing | 19:00 |
| @rizen | b) Couldn't start MySQL | 19:00 |
| @rizen | c) A full error message that tells you everything it can about why it couldn't start mysql | 19:00 |
| @rizen | ? | 19:00 |
| xootom | c | 19:00 |
| xootom | can anyone tell me if there is any documentation to the graphing API? Is it accessible through an SQL report, so I can show say a plot instead of a table? | 19:07 |
| @rizen | it is not currently available to the SQL report, although that is something that perlDreamer is working on for 7.5 | 19:09 |
| @rizen | there are api docs for it at http://www.plainblack.com/downloads/builds | 19:09 |
| @rizen | then choose your version | 19:09 |
| xootom | looked through there but couldn't see anything about graphs | 19:10 |
| @rizen | http://www.plainblack.com/downloads/builds/7.3.22-stable/api/Image.html | 19:15 |
| xootom | ah ha it's under image | 19:15 |
| @rizen | http://www.plainblack.com/downloads/builds/7.3.22-stable/api/Image/Graph.html | 19:16 |
| @preaction | i'd pick "c" as well, I'd want to know everything | 19:16 |
| xootom | yes, only the admin is going to see it (and panic, trying to find the cause) | 19:17 |
| @preaction | does that mean that the wreservice.pl script is actually going to tail the mysql error log for me? | 19:17 |
| @preaction | because that would be killer | 19:17 |
| @rizen | no, but i suppose it could | 19:18 |
| xootom | not sure how clean that would look, perhaps it could suggest the user tails it, and gives the full command with path, to prompt the admin | 19:19 |
| @rizen | could have a --tail option | 19:19 |
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| @preaction | so wreservice.pl will be the frontend through which individual OSes rc scripts are written? | 19:22 |
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| xootom | rc.webgui already does that doesn't it, e.g. rc.webgui startmysql | 19:24 |
| @preaction | right, i'm thinking wreservice.pl is the new rc.webgui | 19:25 |
| nuba | rizen: b) Couldn't start MySQL. With maybe a pointer to "check /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/var/$hostname.err for more information" | 19:43 |
| nuba | dunno, but i'd rather have the error go to mysql's own error log | 19:45 |
| @preaction | it will be there, mysql does that itself | 19:45 |
| @preaction | i'd just like to avoid going to dig it out myself, so the option to --tail or --verbose would be nice | 19:46 |
| nuba | a --verbose would be fine too | 19:46 |
| xootom | or oppositely a --quiet | 19:53 |
| nuba | heh | 19:54 |
| @preaction | imho quiet should be default. if the program wants to notify the user that there IS more to see with --verbose, it can go ahead | 19:57 |
| @preaction | progressive enhancement, instead of graceful degradation | 19:57 |
| nuba | i think the default should be 'loaded service foo ok' or 'couldn't load service foo'. a --quiet would output nothing except maybe errors to sdterr, and a --verbose would spill the detailed errors too | 19:59 |
| xootom | i suppose it depends if the target user is an admin interactively running the command, then in the use case of it failing, they need to fix it asap with all the info they can get. If it's feeding an error status back to something else, then i can see why detailed errors might not be appropriate | 20:01 |
| nuba | i dont think its fit for a --quiet to produce output like 'loaded foo ok'. when you have a --quiet switch it usually means 'output nothing unless strictly necessary' | 20:01 |
| xootom | i'm not sure why by default you'd want to hide information that might help the admin diagnose why the command failed | 20:02 |
| @preaction | i'm thinking this is THE script to start/stop the wre services, from cron, from remote, from web, from console, from startup, etc... | 20:02 |
| @preaction | by default it should do what most startup scripts do, "Starting Blah... OK" or "Starting Blah... FAILED" (something along those lines) | 20:03 |
| xootom | i'm not sure what the convention is for such scripts within webgui to feed back to the interface, return codes etc. | 20:03 |
| xootom | yeah | 20:03 |
| nuba | preaction: yup, thats what im understanding too | 20:03 |
| danny_mk | Good afternoon! preaction: Did you get the code for the chat Wobject cleaned up? | 20:04 |
| nuba | in such cases when you dont have a --quiet switch you sometimes have to redirect stderr/stdout to /dev/null | 20:04 |
| @preaction | danny_mk, lord no, i'm sitting in a starbucks lounge just so i can put in my 8 hours of work today. i can give you what i have now along with some instructions on what needs to be deleted or cleaned up | 20:05 |
| danny_mk | cool. Can you mail it to danny_mk@yahoo.com? | 20:07 |
| @preaction | k, give me 30 minutes about. | 20:07 |
| danny_mk | sure, take your time, I have plenty of work to do :-) | 20:08 |
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| sno | Good day | 21:25 |
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| nuba | wonder if he thinks he was snobbed away then left | 21:54 |
| nuba | we should have a bot here for handling such cases | 21:55 |
| nuba | eliza-powered | 21:55 |
| nuba | :) | 21:56 |
| @rizen | i thought that's why we set up the nuba bot | 21:59 |
| @rizen | hello nuba, my name is rizen | 21:59 |
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| xootom | rizen, you were helping me yesterday with my problem of how to represent teachers and students in a particular school in webgui, and the way forward was to have each school as a group. now my problem is, how can a report show details about students in one school to the teacher of that school, without having to write custom reports for every school? if the school was a profile field (my original thought) then i'd have been able | 22:10 |
| @rizen | how is being in a group different from being in a profile field in that sense? | 22:12 |
| @rizen | both are database tables | 22:12 |
| xootom | just that i can write an sql report using the profile fields in where clauses | 22:12 |
| @rizen | you can do the same with groups | 22:12 |
| @rizen | the two tables in question are groups and groupings | 22:12 |
| @rizen | in webgui, unless it's a file, it's stored in the database | 22:13 |
| @rizen | so everything is a table you can report on | 22:13 |
| xootom | true, i'm wondering if there will be a problem if they're in multiple group | 22:13 |
| xootom | s | 22:13 |
| @rizen | why would there be a problem...you're looking for a specific school name and a specific user | 22:14 |
| @rizen | the same as you would be in the profile | 22:14 |
| xootom | yeah of course | 22:14 |
| @rizen | in fact, it will be easier to deal with multiples using groups than with profiles | 22:14 |
| @rizen | cuz groups are designed for multiples | 22:14 |
| @rizen | profiles aren't | 22:14 |
| xootom | that's true. yes i think i'm getting my head too muddled :) | 22:15 |
| SDuensin | Hey rizen - another FYI... Just posted all-new installation instructions for my desktop app. MUCH easier to do now. | 22:15 |
| @rizen | keep in mind that you may be better off writing an asset for this reporting simply because the perl API changes way less frequently than the database schema | 22:16 |
| @rizen | sweet SD. i have to be honest with you though, the main reason i haven't checked it out yet is that my busiest time of the year is april through september...after the WUC i'll have lots more free time | 22:17 |
| SDuensin | That's cool. I completely understand. That's why there's no YUI desktop yet. :-P | 22:17 |
| @rizen | xootom, not that the database schema for users and groups changes that often | 22:18 |
| @rizen | rarely, if ever in fact...but that's not true of most other tables | 22:18 |
| @rizen | just wanted to let you know in advance | 22:19 |
| xootom | yeah i think you might be right | 22:19 |
| xootom | at the moment i'm just trying to get things in place as quickly and simply as possible, my perl skills aren't up to much yet :( | 22:20 |
| @rizen | you should come to the development workshop at the WUC | 22:20 |
| @rizen | two days of intensive perl and webgui api to get you up to speed | 22:20 |
| xootom | would love to but i'm in the uk | 22:21 |
| @rizen | or...you could always contact dev@plainblack.com and have us build it for you | 22:21 |
| @rizen | Radix is in Australia, but he came last year | 22:21 |
| @rizen | we have people from all over the world every year | 22:21 |
| xootom | when is it? | 22:21 |
| @rizen | 3rd week in october: http://www.plainblack.com/wuc | 22:22 |
| xootom | mmm looks good | 22:24 |
| nuba | rizen: huh | 22:29 |
| @rizen | i was saying you are a bot | 22:29 |
| @rizen | joke didn't work | 22:29 |
| @rizen | nevermind | 22:29 |
| nuba | i was out having some snacks | 22:29 |
| nuba | you know, organic fuels for organic bots aka humans | 22:30 |
| nuba | now, some eliza bot can even be helpful when extracting info from people looking for webgui support | 22:31 |
| nuba | "why do you say that?" | 22:31 |
| nuba | "did you check the forum?" "what do you see at the logs?" etc. | 22:31 |
| nuba | "interesting. can you please be more specific?" thats one inspired on the thx1138 film :) | 22:34 |
| @rizen | it's a public irc channel...write a bot and connect it | 22:34 |
| @rizen | sounds like a good idea | 22:34 |
| nuba | any bot name idea ? | 22:38 |
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| * SDuensin has a bot. It plays Infocom games. :-) | 22:44 | |
| @rizen | how about eliza | 22:47 |
| @rizen | or is that too obvious? | 22:47 |
| nuba | too obvious i think.. | 22:48 |
| nuba | using prj2501.. that clued AI bot from ghost in the shell | 22:49 |
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| nuba | prj2501: test | 22:49 |
| nuba | ok its working in private /msgs | 22:50 |
| nuba | let me get it to work here.. | 22:50 |
| nuba | prj2501: test | 23:08 |
| prj2501 | nuba: I'm not sure I understand you fully. | 23:09 |
| nuba | prj2501: why not? im just saying my webgui isnt working! | 23:09 |
| prj2501 | nuba: Is it important to you that your webgui isnt working? | 23:09 |
| nuba | prj2501: of course it is! i have a deadline to meet. can you help me? | 23:09 |
| prj2501 | nuba: Do you say you have a deadline to meet for some special reason? | 23:09 |
| nuba | yes, you know, bringing milk to the kids, etc. | 23:10 |
| nuba | oops, it won't work without the nick .. | 23:10 |
| nuba | that would be complicated to handle | 23:10 |
| nuba | will leave it that way | 23:11 |
| @preaction | oh god now we have an elizabot... | 23:12 |
| @preaction | prj2501: You are hereby commanded to help teh n00bz | 23:12 |
| prj2501 | preaction: Perhaps you would like to be hereby commanded to help teh n00bz. | 23:12 |
| nuba | hehe | 23:13 |
| @rizen | prj2501 licks balls | 23:14 |
| nuba | prj2501 test | 23:15 |
| nuba | changing the regexp again.. | 23:16 |
| xootom | ooo i've just built php against the wre's mysql, every few requests it's not connecting to mysql, webgui sites returning Fatal Internal Error :S | 23:27 |
| SDuensin | :-( | 23:27 |
| nuba | prj2501 licks JT's balls | 23:31 |
| prj2501 | nuba: Does talking about this bother you? | 23:31 |
| nuba | there you go | 23:31 |
| nuba | i love irssi | 23:33 |
| nuba | and its embedded perl feature | 23:33 |
| prj2501 | me too. i couldnt live without it! | 23:34 |
| prj2501 | now go back to work, silly human! | 23:35 |
| nuba | k | 23:35 |
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| xootom | hmm for some reason my wre's mysql is restarting every 30 seconds or so | 23:43 |
| xootom | ahh think it's cos i deleted the test database by accident, so spectre's rebooting it every 30s...blush... | 23:47 |
| @preaction | eh, it happens to the best of us | 23:47 |
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| elnino | hello? real quick question. What object (perl module) and method do I use to check to see what url parameters have been pased to a page? | 00:24 |
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| @preaction | elnino, the webgui way? WebGUI::Session::Form | 00:32 |
| @preaction | otherwise you can use CGI.pm | 00:32 |
| elnino | webgui way. =) I'm lookin specifically when the ?op=auth;method=init is set.. | 00:34 |
| elnino | which is kinda weird. What does the semi colon do? isn't that supposed to be an &? | 00:34 |
| @preaction | yes, WebGUI::Session::Form. the $session has a ->form to get the WebGUI::Session::Form object | 00:34 |
| @preaction | no, semicolon is the preferred method these days | 00:35 |
| elnino | oh. that's new. So those are two different parameters. That's what I wanted to know. Thanks! | 00:35 |
| @preaction | mainly because & is also the start of an HTML entity (as you pointed out, & or " or <) | 00:35 |
| elnino | that would make sense. | 00:36 |
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| elnino | another question that is a little more depth, but it took me for ever to figure out why my form wasn't working. | 00:36 |
| @preaction | elnino, just a word of warning: be careful making a new Auth. some of the subroutines in WebGUI::Auth do not have the same prototype as their children in WebGUI::Auth::WebGUI | 00:37 |
| elnino | any idea why webgu's form defaults to enctype="multipart/form-data" when it should be "application/x-www-form-urlencoded" by default? | 00:37 |
| @preaction | because multipart/formdata allows for file uploads | 00:37 |
| @preaction | application/x-www-form-urlencoded is just one part of a multipart/form-data POST | 00:38 |
| elnino | yea. but I was using that method, not knowing you defaulted it to that, and my form wouldn't work untill I changed it to "application/x-www-form-urlencoded" that bit me hard for several hours. | 00:38 |
| elnino | opps. did that come accross? it doesn't look right on my chat software. | 00:39 |
| @preaction | that's weird | 00:40 |
| elnino | back to your warning... I copied /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Auth/WebGUI.pm. to create my own auth mod. Should I have copied the parent Auth.pm? | 00:40 |
| @preaction | no, you did right, i'm just saying be careful because it's a lot of messed up in there :( | 00:41 |
| elnino | lot of ?? people? | 00:41 |
| @preaction | no, it's just messy. some bad things that can't be fixed because it will break API | 00:41 |
| @preaction | pardon my broken english | 00:42 |
| elnino | OK. Thanks for your help, preaction, I'm signing off to read url parameters! | 00:43 |
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| elnino | hi preactioin... What object did yousay I needed to use for looking at url parameters? I can't seem to find it... | 01:01 |
| @preaction | WebGUI::Session::Form | 01:01 |
| @preaction | it's part of the session object, $session->form->get("parameter name") | 01:01 |
| elnino | oh.. I'll look again. Thanks! bye. | 01:02 |
| elnino | Super.. Thanks! | 01:02 |
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| +crythias | Radix_ you there? | 01:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | he probably is not | 01:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | he's in the Netherolands right now | 01:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | and uses the nick radix_europe | 01:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | but maybe he's using Radix_ too | 01:17 |
| +crythias | heh. OK. I was thinking about the default install of new sites. | 01:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 01:18 |
| +crythias | back 8 hours ago. | 01:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | he'll prolly be online tomorrow again | 01:18 |
| +crythias | the problem was about the default install adding pages... | 01:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | in the bestedest timezone of the world =) | 01:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 01:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | i read a bit of it | 01:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | but i understand the difficulties | 01:19 |
| @preaction | 7.4 fixed that iirc. you could add something to the wizard that would remove everything | 01:19 |
| +crythias | why not simply have the default site as a package to deploy, even if you don't install it? | 01:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | i dunno | 01:20 |
| +crythias | that *is* a cool way to show what the package thing does. | 01:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | and it's about 00;20 over here | 01:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | so i don;t wanna know right now =) | 01:21 |
| +crythias | ah. I'm -6 hours from you. I should get home. | 01:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 01:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | you should | 01:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 01:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's almost weekend =) | 01:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | only two days to go | 01:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | are you attending the wuc this year btw? | 01:22 |
| +crythias | I don't know. | 01:24 |
| +crythias | I'm going to see. Every year, I think I'm going to go somewhere. | 01:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | somewhere else during the wuc you mean? | 01:25 |
| +crythias | well, last year I thought I was going to be moving. | 01:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah i see | 01:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | but you didn't? | 01:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | so you're gonna move this year? | 01:26 |
| +crythias | no. chickened out. | 01:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 01:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's not too bad | 01:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | before you know it | 01:26 |
| +crythias | actually, job is secure, but we were looking to upgrade house. | 01:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | you'll be lik emicheal j fox in back to the future | 01:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 01:27 |
| +crythias | what? I'll get a Delorean? | 01:27 |
| +crythias | and be able to use a remote control to control it? | 01:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | i read somewhere deloerean is manufacturiong again | 01:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'd opt for a kitt | 01:27 |
| +crythias | I'll have my mom think I'm hot? | 01:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | i have this thing for flashing leds | 01:28 |
| +crythias | actually, have my mom think I'm Calvin Klein? | 01:28 |
| +crythias | that's really creapy. | 01:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | wtf?!?!? | 01:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | you aren't calvin klein? | 01:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | that a disappointment | 01:28 |
| +crythias | well, I don't wear CK on my undies, that's for sure. | 01:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm sucking up to the worng people =) | 01:29 |
| +crythias | and not so sure I need to fall out of a tree so my mom can take me in ... | 01:29 |
| +crythias | anyway, how would I be like MJF? | 01:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | MJF? | 01:29 |
| +crythias | Michael J Fox | 01:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | you aren't | 01:29 |
| +crythias | comeon, it's your analogy... | 01:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i must have been using drugs | 01:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | without noticing | 01:30 |
| +crythias | (18:26:36) MrHairgrease: that's not too bad | 01:30 |
| +crythias | (18:26:42) MrHairgrease: before you know it | 01:30 |
| +crythias | (18:26:45) crythias: actually, job is secure, but we were looking to upgrade house. | 01:30 |
| +crythias | (18:26:53) MrHairgrease: you'll be lik emicheal j fox in back to the future | 01:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh that | 01:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | that was about the chicken part | 01:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | or better said | 01:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | you chickening out | 01:30 |
| +crythias | oh. how he gets all mad being called chicken | 01:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 01:31 |
| +crythias | ok. | 01:31 |
| +crythias | 'cause, yaknow, I wouldn't mind having a DeLorean | 01:31 |
| +crythias | heheh | 01:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | sure | 01:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | but where do you get the jigowatts | 01:31 |
| +crythias | Mr. Reactor | 01:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | lightning is seldom over here | 01:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh yeah | 01:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | just dump your trash in your car | 01:32 |
| +crythias | but it's all about the petrol | 01:32 |
| +crythias | hey. how do you know that's what I do to my car? oh. you prob. mean the reactor | 01:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | petrol is too expensive over here | 01:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | so for now | 01:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll keep using my bike | 01:33 |
| +crythias | we should be burning bole weevels | 01:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | bole wheevels? | 01:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | what are those | 01:33 |
| +crythias | the scurge of the cotton crops | 01:33 |
| +crythias | scourge | 01:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 01:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | scourge (skûrj) Pronunciation Key | 01:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | n. A source of widespread dreadful affliction and devastation such as that caused by pestilence or war. A means of inflicting severe suffering, vengeance, or punishment. A whip used to inflict punishment. | 01:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | sounds fun... | 01:34 |
| +crythias | in fact, we could be running on maggot energy. | 01:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 01:34 |
| +crythias | that's renewable in only a few days. | 01:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | i see it's time to quit and go to bed | 01:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 01:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | later guys | 01:35 |
| +crythias | making a car with efficient use of protein.. later | 01:35 |
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| elnino | hello. I'm trying to dump the value of a cookie, that has a bunch of key value pairs: | 02:48 |
| elnino | my ($cookies) = $session->http->getCookies; | 02:48 |
| elnino | my $authcook = $$cookies->{'cookiename'}; | 02:48 |
| elnino | return $authcookie->{$hashkey}; | 02:48 |
| elnino | but I must be doing something wrong? I don't quite understand hashes... | 02:48 |
| elnino | oh. geez, I see a variable is named wrong.. Other than that does the code look correct? | 02:49 |
| elnino | I gotta go, Ill try this, and may be back | 03:52 |
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| @preaction | finally EVDO is working for me. I can work from home tomorrow. | 04:07 |
| @preaction | the latency is something like 2 seconds, but i can live with that | 04:07 |
| SDuensin | 2 seconds?! | 04:08 |
| SDuensin | You live on the moon or something? | 04:08 |
| @preaction | no, it's cellular and i'm getting poor reception | 04:09 |
| @preaction | 4 bars of 8, i imagine if i went outside it'd be better | 04:09 |
| SDuensin | I use EVDO every day. It's NIIIIIIIICE. | 04:09 |
| @preaction | looks like just a few hundred ms now | 04:10 |
| SDuensin | That's better. :-) | 04:11 |
| SDuensin | Who are you using? Mine's a Verizon ExpressCard adapter. | 04:11 |
| @preaction | SprintPCS Phone as Modem with a Samsung Upstage | 04:12 |
| @preaction | gotta go, i think my gf just called | 04:12 |
| SDuensin | See ya! | 04:12 |
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| xootom | hi all, does anyone know why when i create groups of groups, the Admins group keeps appearing within groups? | 13:47 |
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| AMH_henry | @xootom: i think admin should get rights from all groups. | 14:12 |
| xootom | Just looks a bit odd as it's a child of every single group | 14:13 |
| AMH_henry | well, if a group A is within group B then group A inherits all rights from group B. it looks a bit odd for admins but at least admins will always have all right | 14:15 |
| AMH_henry | rights | 14:15 |
| xootom | I see what you mean | 14:21 |
| xootom | Just looks confusing when you see it as a tree structure (manage groups in this group) and everything has Admins in it | 14:22 |
| AMH_henry | yes, it look me a while before i got it heheh | 14:23 |
| xootom | Can I run a grouping scenario past you and see if you think it's the best approach? | 14:23 |
| AMH_henry | i'm not an expert on it, but sure I can give it a try | 14:25 |
| xootom | Thanks! I'm using groups to represent schools. So I have a group for each school. I want to group them into partnerships, as the schools work together in partnerships, so I have created a partnerships group, which contains each partnership group, which contains the schools. Now I want to be able to group them into geographical areas (counties).. should I add a group for each county, and add the schools into each county? Or is there a better way of making the sc | 14:28 |
| xootom | I'm not sure how easily it will be manageable though | 14:28 |
| xootom | Plus I have students in each school, so they'll join the school group. Then there are teachers, so they will be in the school group too but also in a teachers group, so they can access reports. But then will I need a separate group for teachers in each school, i.e. two groups for every school, if I want teachers in a school to be able to edit their own set of pages? | 14:29 |
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| AMH_henry | this is a rather complicated problem... to begin with your last question. I would create a teachers group for each school and make all teaches members of it. Also create a students group for each school. And then a school group. A school group will be member of both teacher and student group. | 14:45 |
| AMH_henry | this way if you for example want pages editable by every one in a school then you can you the school group. If you only want access for student then you student group. | 14:46 |
| MrHairgreas1 | don't you mean you'll make the teachers and student groups memeber of a school group in stead of the opposite | 14:46 |
| AMH_henry | @MrHairgreas1: to my understanding it works the opposite way. If group A is in group B, then group A inherits all rights from group B. | 14:47 |
| MrHairgreas1 | yeah | 14:48 |
| MrHairgreas1 | that's correct | 14:48 |
| MrHairgreas1 | maybe i shouldn't respond to questions i haven't heard | 14:49 |
| MrHairgreas1 | but in most cases it's logical to put the teachers and student group in a school group | 14:50 |
| MrHairgreas1 | that also follows the normal hierarchy | 14:50 |
| AMH_henry | yeah, that's more logical indeed, but unfornately webgui has choosen differently | 14:50 |
| MrHairgreas1 | as far as i know webgui hasn't | 14:51 |
| AMH_henry | of course it depends on how you makes use of those groups | 14:52 |
| MrHairgreas1 | of course | 14:54 |
| AMH_henry | @xootom: the same for partnerships. each partnership can be member of schools. do you get the idea? | 15:02 |
| MrHairgreas1 | hmm | 15:07 |
| MrHairgreas1 | i think you're still explaining it upside down | 15:07 |
| MrHairgreas1 | if you have partnership group | 15:07 |
| MrHairgreas1 | which should contain the schools forming a partnership | 15:08 |
| MrHairgreas1 | you should make the schoolgroups a member of that specific partnership group | 15:08 |
| MrHairgreas1 | if you make a partnership group a member of a schoolgroup... | 15:08 |
| MrHairgreas1 | the school won't be in that partnership | 15:08 |
| MrHairgreas1 | however the partnership will be in that schoolgroup | 15:09 |
| MrHairgreas1 | but | 15:09 |
| MrHairgreas1 | that doesn't make sense b/c the partnership group will be empty | 15:09 |
| MrHairgreas1 | in the latter case | 15:09 |
| xootom | yeah mrhairgreas1 that all makes sense | 15:14 |
| MrHairgreas1 | just view the groups in groups thing as a tree | 15:15 |
| MrHairgreas1 | lower levels have the privileges of higher levels | 15:16 |
| MrHairgreas1 | but not the other way around | 15:16 |
| xootom | i think i need to have lots of groups in my system to see how it works | 15:17 |
| MrHairgreas1 | ah | 15:17 |
| xootom | if you have thousands of groups set up, do you still get them all in the same long list where you choose to add them to another group? | 15:17 |
| MrHairgreas1 | the famous "there's only one way to find out how it works" approach | 15:17 |
| MrHairgreas1 | dunno | 15:18 |
| MrHairgreas1 | never used that many groups before | 15:18 |
| AMH_henry | @MarHairgreas1: i think you are right if you reasons that way. | 15:18 |
| MrHairgreas1 | nor did i ever do very complex groupings | 15:18 |
| MrHairgreas1 | rize can prolly answer that question | 15:19 |
| MrHairgreas1 | rizen* | 15:19 |
| MrHairgreas1 | it might be beneficial to write your own group management interface for that particular purpose though | 15:19 |
| MrHairgreas1 | and make it more natural to do the kind of groupings you want to do | 15:19 |
| MrHairgreas1 | have it use the Group API in the back | 15:20 |
| xootom | yeah you're probably right | 15:20 |
| MrHairgreas1 | it'll happily coexist with the default group manager | 15:20 |
| xootom | going back to my original scenario, if there is a separate group for teachers in a school and students in a school, both within the school group, will the teacher be able to get reports out about the students? as they're in a different branch | 15:23 |
| xootom | or should the teacher be under the students | 15:23 |
| xootom | that might work then i just find the parent group.. | 15:23 |
| MrHairgreas1 | what do you mean by getting reports out? | 15:23 |
| MrHairgreas1 | teachers should never be below students | 15:24 |
| MrHairgreas1 | that would be very bad for preserving order in the classroom =) | 15:24 |
| AMH_henry | @xootom: you can always create a separate reports group | 15:24 |
| xootom | it's probably getting over complicated for what I'm trying to set up. example is there are 1000 schools set up, each has say 100 students and 2 teachers with access. I have say 5 different reports, for example report 1 could be a score against each student. Now, I need this report to be available to all teachers in all schools, but it would show the teacher only the scores of the students in their own school | 15:26 |
| xootom | that sums up what I'm trying to achieve (the reports in question are currently sql reports) | 15:26 |
| xootom | on top of that, each school can have its own set of pages, the teachers of that school would have editing rights (that's where the group security element comes in) | 15:27 |
| MrHairgreas1 | so set the view group of that sqlreport to the "Teachers of school X" group | 15:27 |
| MrHairgreas1 | for the school pages | 15:28 |
| MrHairgreas1 | set the privs as follows | 15:28 |
| xootom | yeah but then i'd have to create the 5 reports 1000 times for each school wouldn't i? | 15:28 |
| MrHairgreas1 | view: school X group (teachers and students are in it) | 15:28 |
| MrHairgreas1 | edit: "teachers of school x" group | 15:28 |
| MrHairgreas1 | you'll have to do that anyway i guess | 15:29 |
| xootom | yeah that's fine | 15:29 |
| xootom | just how to have one set of reports, not having to maintain 1000 versions | 15:29 |
| MrHairgreas1 | i'm not sure you can do that with just an sql report | 15:30 |
| MrHairgreas1 | it depends on how the scores are stored i guess | 15:31 |
| xootom | essentially a table with userId against scores | 15:31 |
| MrHairgreas1 | hmm | 15:32 |
| xootom | so i can query the webgui database groupings to find all the users in a group, and find all the scores for those users | 15:32 |
| xootom | but if the teachers and students are in different groups | 15:32 |
| xootom | hmm might just need a more complex query to join it all together | 15:32 |
| MrHairgreas1 | what you could do it | 15:32 |
| MrHairgreas1 | is* | 15:32 |
| MrHairgreas1 | figure out in which school group the teacher is | 15:32 |
| MrHairgreas1 | and then get all users in the groups of that group | 15:33 |
| MrHairgreas1 | in that case you'll get the uids | 15:33 |
| xootom | yeah i wonder if i could write a macro to do that | 15:33 |
| MrHairgreas1 | of both teachers and students for a school | 15:33 |
| MrHairgreas1 | for the report the teacher being in there don't matter | 15:34 |
| MrHairgreas1 | b/c they don't have score in that table anyway | 15:34 |
| MrHairgreas1 | you could write a macro | 15:34 |
| MrHairgreas1 | but it could potentiall give you a long list of results | 15:34 |
| MrHairgreas1 | what you could also try to do is create a VIEW | 15:34 |
| MrHairgreas1 | containing student coupled to teachers or something like that | 15:35 |
| MrHairgreas1 | and use that in your query | 15:35 |
| MrHairgreas1 | just giving options | 15:35 |
| xootom | ahhh yeah | 15:35 |
| MrHairgreas1 | dunno how weel it would work | 15:35 |
| xootom | arr got to go for a bit thanks for all your help :) | 15:36 |
| MrHairgreas1 | np | 15:36 |
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| AMH_bob | Goodmorning! | 15:50 |
| MrHairgreas1 | hi | 15:51 |
| SDuensin | Hey AMH_bob & MrHairgreas1 | 15:51 |
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| elnino | hello - quick question. What pm module and method do I use to get the current page's viewable group? | 17:48 |
| AMH_henry | @elnino: you mean something like $asset->get('groupIdView')? | 17:56 |
| nuba | /na | 17:58 |
| nuba | oops | 17:58 |
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| elnino | Im thinking that will do it. How would I get the current page I'm on? | 18:07 |
| AMH_henry | if you have the current asset you can test if it's a PageLayout. If not, then try its parent. | 18:09 |
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| elnino | oh. ?? I'm coding my own Auth mod, and simply copied webui's a rewrote the login form, so I don't think I have the current asset either. | 18:12 |
| AMH_henry | you can get it by $session->asset | 18:14 |
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| xootom | has anyone got an example of the GroupAdd macro working? its third parameter is a template, when is this displayed? | 18:37 |
| @preaction | the template is used to display the macro itself | 18:38 |
| xootom | i'll experiment | 18:39 |
| @preaction | apparently all the GroupAdd macro does is display a link for the user to add itself to a group if the group is set to "autoAdd" and the user is not yet part of that group | 18:40 |
| xootom | how come the first parameter is groupname, not groupid? there can be multiple groups with the same name, it's not a key field is it? | 18:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 18:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | groupid is the only valid identifier | 18:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | at least the one that won't break | 18:42 |
| elnino | AMH_henry: Thanks for your help! I'll go try it now. bye. | 18:42 |
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| xootom | trying the GroupAdd macro out, it seems to work with groups that don't have spaces in the name. it still showed after i'd joined the group though, which i don't think it should as the conditions for its display are that you're not a member already. | 18:55 |
| xootom | should groups not have spaces in their names? and how do i identify other groups with the same name | 18:55 |
| @rizen | why do you have multiple groups with the same name? | 18:56 |
| @rizen | how would you ever tell them apart | 18:56 |
| @rizen | you shouldn't do that | 18:56 |
| xootom | i just tried it, i probably wouldn't choose to do that, but if I create a duplicate it doesn't say i can't | 18:57 |
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| @rizen | i suppose we should protect users from themselves | 18:58 |
| @rizen | report it as a bug | 18:58 |
| xootom | i suppose in my previous example, each school is a group and could contain a sub-group of "students" and "teachers", there would then be lots of different groups with the same name.. I thought it was only a label, but with GroupAdd it's being used as an identifier | 18:58 |
| elnino | hello. quick question. How do I de-encode a value that is stored in a cookie? the string has a space and when I display it on the webpage, a plus sign is displayed. | 18:59 |
| @rizen | listen to what you are saying | 18:59 |
| @rizen | so if you go into the groups manager | 18:59 |
| @rizen | and you have 10,000 groups called "Students" | 18:59 |
| @rizen | how wouuld you ever tell them apart? | 18:59 |
| @preaction | elnino, cookies are stored urlencoded | 18:59 |
| xootom | oh i know, i wouldn't do that because the groups aren't displayed in a tree, it's not easy to see the structure | 19:00 |
| @rizen | instead your groups should be named "Students of School X" | 19:00 |
| @preaction | elnino, use URI::Escape; uri_unescape(cookie string) # iirc | 19:00 |
| elnino | perfect thanks! | 19:00 |
| xootom | Yeah but they are limited to only 20 odd characters, i can't even fit in my test schools names without the students of school bit | 19:00 |
| @rizen | they aren't stored in a tree simply because they aren't inherently hierarchical | 19:01 |
| @rizen | 20 characters/ | 19:01 |
| @rizen | ? | 19:01 |
| elnino | preaction: thanks for your help! bye. | 19:01 |
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| xootom | "Warmley Park Special Needs Sch" | 19:01 |
| xootom | then it chops off | 19:01 |
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| @rizen | 30 characters according to the DB, but that should be increased | 19:01 |
| @rizen | feel free to report that as a bug too | 19:02 |
| xootom | yeah yes you're right 30 | 19:02 |
| @rizen | that should be increased to 255 characters | 19:02 |
| @rizen | well maybe not that long | 19:03 |
| @rizen | that's a sentence | 19:03 |
| xootom | lol | 19:03 |
| xootom | the problem if you do have duplicate group names - is that the problem, that it lets you create duplicate group names, as they are supposed to be unique identifiers... or should it be that groupadd takes the groupId as the parameter | 19:06 |
| xootom | and groupadd doesn't seem to work if there are spaces in the group name | 19:07 |
| @preaction | are you quoting the group name? | 19:08 |
| xootom | yeah | 19:08 |
| xootom | and should it disappear once i've joined the group | 19:08 |
| @preaction | yes | 19:08 |
| xootom | so i guess i could replace it with groupdel so they can leave again | 19:08 |
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| xootom | just a random question, is the current version "7.4.0 beta", that will then turn into "7.4.0 (stable)" or will it go 7.4.0 beta to 7.4.1? | 19:16 |
| @preaction | 7.4.0 beta will go to 7.4.1 | 19:17 |
| xootom | ok thanks | 19:17 |
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| @rizen | preaction, what's the difference between ubuntu 6 and 7 | 20:13 |
| @rizen | is 7 a bleeding edge release? | 20:13 |
| @preaction | no, all their releases are 6-month timespans | 20:13 |
| @preaction | feature freeze at 5 months | 20:14 |
| @preaction | so basically all the software is updated every 6 months | 20:14 |
| @rizen | but it says that 6.06 is supported until 2011 but 7.04 is only supported until 2008 | 20:14 |
| @preaction | right, 6.06 was an "LTS" release, supported for 5 years | 20:14 |
| @rizen | ok, so if i'm going to build a WRE for Ubunut, then 6.06 would be the version to choose, right? | 20:15 |
| @preaction | if, for example, you didn't want to upgrade the entire system all tie time | 20:15 |
| @preaction | i don't know, i use ubuntu on the desktop, and i don't know what ubuntu server users do | 20:15 |
| @preaction | i'd say the latest stable | 20:15 |
| @preaction | and if necessary they can backport | 20:16 |
| @rizen | methinks that anybody really serving stuff is going to want long term support | 20:16 |
| @preaction | most likely, and there will always be community builds | 20:17 |
| nuba | rizen: got a couple of minutes? | 20:27 |
| nuba | well just reply when you get around, anyway.. | 20:28 |
| nuba | im building a photo gallery using userDefinied{1,2} to store lat and long | 20:29 |
| nuba | i've modified the rss template to include them, and modified the description to get output like this feed "http://api.flickr.com/services/feeds/groups_pool.gne?id=322338@N20&format=rss_200&georss=1" | 20:30 |
| nuba | which then allows me to render them in the googlemaps asset easily | 20:30 |
| nuba | now I wonder if there could be a "location" form gadget for webgui | 20:31 |
| nuba | so that you could point/click or search for a location, | 20:32 |
| nuba | in this case, this is a photo gallery | 20:32 |
| nuba | but I can see how you could benefit from being able to assign location attributes to random things inside webgui | 20:33 |
| @preaction | Events perhaps? | 20:34 |
| nuba | like, imagine a wiki page with knowledge related to a location | 20:34 |
| nuba | yeah, events could be nice. if you can output rss from the events, then you could render that in the googlemaps asset as well | 20:35 |
| nuba | (i havent really looked at the events asset yet) | 20:35 |
| @preaction | there are some complicated parts, but those should be abstracted out in the future | 20:36 |
| nuba | the "location form gadget" would be something like picasa's "Photo Location | 20:38 |
| nuba | ©2007 Google - Map data ©2007 NAVTEQ. - Terms of Use | 20:38 |
| nuba | " | 20:38 |
| nuba | box | 20:38 |
| nuba | ugh | 20:38 |
| sno | I just built WRE 0.7.2 on Ubuntu server | 20:38 |
| nuba | like the one at the bottom-right corner here: http://picasaweb.google.com/kevin.smilak/BestOfAmericaSGrandCircle/photo#4974034093674070034 | 20:38 |
| sno | I used 6.06 because it was best supported by VMWare | 20:38 |
| sno | There were some additional perl modules necessary to get Spectre operational. | 20:40 |
| sno | Outside the WRE package. | 20:40 |
| sno | mod_perl also had some dependancies not provided. | 20:41 |
| nuba | sno: you can add the additional steps you had to perform to the wiki, if you took notes during the setup | 20:41 |
| nuba | that may help someone in the future | 20:41 |
| nuba | or you, in case you lose your notes and have to do it again ;) | 20:41 |
| sno | If my current project is delayed significantly, I can provide documentation for the whole Ubuntu server 6.06 install process. | 20:42 |
| sno | The project comes first though. | 20:42 |
| nuba | cool | 20:42 |
| sno | The base Ubuntu Server install fails to includes some necessary components as well. | 20:43 |
| sno | VMWare is very cool. I've been using it since v4.2 | 20:44 |
| sno | I think Plainblack should create VMWare appliances for WebGUI | 20:44 |
| sno | Lots of organizations have built server instances to plug and play. | 20:45 |
| sno | I know VMWare is not Open Source, but it is still a great resource. And the VMWare server engine is free distribution. | 20:46 |
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| @rizen | nuba, i don't see any reason not to have a location form control | 21:03 |
| @rizen | sno, the problem with that is keeping it up to date | 21:04 |
| @rizen | i haven't yet found a way to automate the build process | 21:04 |
| @rizen | in addition, the distribution package will be enormous | 21:04 |
| @rizen | regardless, it is on my radar and if the means to automate the build process presents itself, i probably will do it at some point | 21:05 |
| sno | I see it as two problems. Establishing a baseline install, and then a separate upgrade solution. | 21:11 |
| sno | I've found that getting it going was the hardest part. | 21:11 |
| sno | More people would try WebGUI if they didn't have to abort the installation due to technical problems. | 21:13 |
| sno | I'm a competent package installer and WebGUI is one of the hardest installs I've ever done. | 21:14 |
| @rizen | i agree that it's difficult to do, but that's what the WRE is all about..admittedly it's not quite there yet, but it's getting closer with each release | 21:15 |
| sno | WRE 0.7.2 was a 24 hour install for me. And I've had practice with older versions. | 21:16 |
| @rizen | yeah, but you compiled it from scratch rather than using a binary | 21:16 |
| @rizen | when i'm using binaries i can install the WRE and WebGUI in under 15 minutes | 21:16 |
| sno | I tried that and dropped it. Iinstead whent the virtual machine routel | 21:17 |
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| sno | Way too many problems with SUSE 10.2 | 21:17 |
| sno | I VM'd Ubuntu 6.06 with WRE 0.7.2 and that took the whole day. Admittedly, some of the problem was because I used Ubuntu server instead of workstation. | 21:18 |
| @rizen | but there again there isn't a binary...at least not one created by us | 21:19 |
| sno | Ubuntu server leaves some packages out that WebGUI relies on. | 21:19 |
| @rizen | in addition, that's the reason that the WRE is still at a 0.x release level | 21:19 |
| sno | WRE 0.7.2 ubuntu 6.06 isn't a binary? | 21:19 |
| @rizen | we know it's not perfect yet | 21:19 |
| @rizen | i said there isn't one created by us | 21:20 |
| sno | Yep, I understand. | 21:20 |
| sno | Ah, then sourceforge has a contributed one? | 21:20 |
| @rizen | the only binaries we create right now are RHEL, OSX, and Windows | 21:20 |
| @rizen | yes | 21:20 |
| sno | I see. | 21:20 |
| @rizen | starting with WRE 0.8.0 we'll be putting out Ubuntu and FreeBSD as well | 21:20 |
| sno | I'm just thinking that a VM Server that is plug in and play would be a great baseline system for someone to get the feel of WebGUI. Updating processes would come afterwards. | 21:22 |
| sno | I'm unsure what Xen brings to this | 21:22 |
| @rizen | and as the owner of a company who want's to put his best foot forward, if it comes from us, I want it to have the latest version, and that means an automated build process | 21:22 |
| sno | Sure. I understand that too. | 21:23 |
| sno | That doesn't necessarily rule out Way-point type of distributions. | 21:23 |
| sno | Someone isn't going to want to toss their entire operational web site because they want to download the latest prebuilt server. | 21:24 |
| sno | Of course, I'm just talking. Not insisting here. | 21:24 |
| sno | I'm interested in good things too. | 21:25 |
| sno | Anyway, my thought was that having known way-point VM'd server distributions presents a production base-line for offering enhancements to the latest version. | 21:27 |
| sno | (to get to the latest version) | 21:28 |
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| sno | A VM'd server may not be the best way to handle this for all time. I'm just thinking of the first-timer. If someone can get WebGUI operational with a minimum of effort, they might decide it fits their production environment faster. | 21:30 |
| sno | Then they would go to a custom installation. | 21:30 |
| sno | More stable units out there could mean more support requests. | 21:31 |
| nuba | there was some talk of a webgui community appliance once, long ago | 21:33 |
| nuba | by then vmware was running a community appliance contest | 21:33 |
| sno | If you have VMWare Workstation (like I do) an appliance can be built. I built a VM for my development work this week. It's not suitable for a public appliance, but it can be done with a little more effore. | 21:34 |
| sno | effort. | 21:34 |
| sno | Ideally, it would not be a WRE install on top of a Linux distribution, but an integrated solution. | 21:35 |
| nuba | well, there are appliances available for most of the linuxes already | 21:36 |
| nuba | i think the fastest way for a webgui appliance | 21:36 |
| nuba | would be downloading one of those for which there's a binary wre available | 21:36 |
| nuba | then get the rig going | 21:36 |
| sno | Doesn't a WRE binary install supplant some installed components, providing it's own environment? | 21:38 |
| nuba | i think so, i had to install some stuff inside a freebsd jail to compile it, | 21:39 |
| sno | It is certainly plausible to build a VM server with WRE binary installation because I've done it. However, a baseline project should probably be fully integrated with the host opsys. | 21:39 |
| nuba | then inside other jails i only had to copy the /data/wre to get it working | 21:39 |
| nuba | define: fully integrated with the host opsys | 21:40 |
| sno | When I install WRE, I get two full perl instances on my filesystem. One for the host, and one for WebGUI. | 21:41 |
| sno | The host system having already installed one of them. | 21:41 |
| sno | Same for Apache, etc. | 21:41 |
| nuba | well, remove the OS's apache if you want | 21:42 |
| nuba | wouldn't recommend doing that with perl | 21:42 |
| sno | A source install would be better, but is a slow and bumpy process. | 21:42 |
| nuba | some system scripts could go borke | 21:42 |
| sno | Indeed. | 21:42 |
| sno | If a select few base opsys were chosen, and a WebGUI source deployment applied to it. That would be the basis for an integrated WebGUI appliance. | 21:43 |
| nuba | I wouldn't worry about integrating with the OS's further than the crontab :) | 21:43 |
| nuba | isnt the goal of what you're proposing just for webgui to get the foot in the doro? | 21:44 |
| nuba | door* | 21:44 |
| nuba | with this appliance? | 21:44 |
| sno | Clean, tight, compact (or as compact as possible). | 21:44 |
| nuba | let the masses try webgui.. | 21:44 |
| sno | That is an argument for an appliance. | 21:44 |
| sno | I'm just thinking about how the appliance could/should be deployed. | 21:44 |
| nuba | actually i think the public available demo addresses that nicely | 21:45 |
| sno | But that is not permanent. | 21:45 |
| nuba | then the vmware appliace would come handy | 21:45 |
| sno | Handing someone an appliance means they have a working environment for all time. | 21:45 |
| sno | Right. | 21:45 |
| nuba | still, one thing is building a 'check this shit out' appliance, | 21:46 |
| sno | rizen is concerned about providing the latest version at all times. | 21:46 |
| nuba | another thing is a finely tuned custum built webgui appliance for production deployment | 21:46 |
| sno | Right. | 21:46 |
| sno | But there is no reason that a properly configured appliance can not serve both. | 21:47 |
| nuba | not to mention requirements for deployment will be different | 21:47 |
| nuba | then there's clustering... | 21:47 |
| nuba | and so on.. | 21:47 |
| sno | And thus support contracts kick in. | 21:47 |
| nuba | things get messy real quickly :) | 21:47 |
| sno | and the revenue stream jumps. | 21:47 |
| sno | Get them in the door, then sell them something. | 21:48 |
| sno | I'm pretty sure WebGUI is built on that model. | 21:49 |
| sno | This just takes it that one step further. Easy installation. | 21:49 |
| sno | All the mumbo-jumbo about a qualified appliance is really a discussion about what you want your in-the-door product to act like. | 21:50 |
| sno | I much prefer a baseline that can be added to like legos. | 21:50 |
| sno | And then when you outgrow your current set-up, well Plainblack has solutions for you. | 21:51 |
| sno | Friendly, qualified technicians. | 21:51 |
| sno | Oh, and there's the hosting... | 21:51 |
| sno | Like to chat more, but time to go. | 21:52 |
| nuba | ok | 21:53 |
| nuba | you should check plainblack's hosting plans etc | 21:53 |
| nuba | i think they're throwing the net and catching the fish earlier than you think | 21:54 |
| nuba | see the demo, like it ? signup for the cheaper hosting plan.. then grow from there. | 21:55 |
| nuba | anyway, check with rizen, i just hang here :) | 22:00 |
| xootom | got a very quick question, i'm just on my way out :) if i have lots of groups, how are they presented in say the security tab, would hundreds be listed in the 'edit' drop down still? | 22:21 |
| @rizen | yes, although that is getting changed to a selection from control the same as user is in an upcoming 7.4.x release | 22:22 |
| @preaction | if they're "Show In Forms", yes | 22:23 |
| @preaction | rizen, the ajax search thing? | 22:24 |
| @rizen | it's not ajax, it's just a popup window that lets you search users | 22:24 |
| @preaction | ah | 22:24 |
| @rizen | it could be ajax, it just isn't | 22:25 |
| xootom | cool thanks | 22:25 |
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| nuba | interesting: http://perlsurvey.org/ | 22:49 |
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| nuba | in the ./Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm, sub getRssItems, we have inside the hashrefs pushed to @{$attachmentLoop}, the following: attachment.url, attachment.path, attachment_thumbnail, attachment.length. Why the _ on attachment_thumbnail ? | 00:34 |
| @rizen | because it was created after the new best practices policy change | 00:36 |
| @rizen | template variables can't have . in them anymore | 00:36 |
| @rizen | and starting with 7.5 (probably) all existing template variables will automatically be converted to use _ instead of . | 00:36 |
| nuba | ok | 00:36 |
| nuba | was the new policy published somewhere ? | 00:37 |
| @rizen | yes, the dev mailing list and the wiki | 00:37 |
| nuba | i thought _ would apply to TT templates only | 00:37 |
| @rizen | back in january | 00:37 |
| nuba | ok. thx | 00:37 |
| @rizen | it was part of my new years resolution | 00:38 |
| nuba | i didnt see it, checking out now.. | 00:38 |
| @rizen | it's also been talked about on IRC in the months since then, but you may not have been on while we talked about it | 00:38 |
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| nuba | probably | 00:45 |
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| nuba | rizen: regarding the mini-beta thing, is there a "asset style guide" or "feature guide" anywhere ? | 01:15 |
| nuba | like, "if possible, export table-data as CSV or etc" | 01:16 |
| @rizen | what mini beta thing? | 01:16 |
| nuba | "allow for importing and/or exporting in formats usually adopted when dealing with such type of data" | 01:16 |
| nuba | mini-beta thread on dev list from July 7 2007 | 01:17 |
| @rizen | url? | 01:17 |
| @rizen | sorry, i don't remember word for word everything that is said on there | 01:17 |
| nuba | well you're complaining about the low quality of the interface or feature set of some assets | 01:18 |
| nuba | low usability | 01:18 |
| @rizen | do you have a url or not? | 01:18 |
| nuba | badly designed interface etc. | 01:18 |
| @rizen | i'll take that as no | 01:18 |
| nuba | http://www.webgui.org/webgui/dev/discuss/mini-beta#O8Qve3OXnIvwnp2GIUFxmQ | 01:18 |
| nuba | sorry I thought first you were asking if I wanted a URL to such a interface/feature guide | 01:19 |
| @rizen | ok | 01:19 |
| @rizen | what do you mean by feature guide? | 01:19 |
| nuba | maybe you or someone should write a small guide of 'feature patterns' | 01:19 |
| nuba | like "if you asset has child assets, provide means to list, search, edit, add, remove them" | 01:20 |
| @rizen | no there isn't such a thing | 01:20 |
| nuba | "when applicable or recommended, block the addition of child assets to your child" | 01:20 |
| nuba | etc. | 01:21 |
| @rizen | i really only have one statement in that regard: "Leave nothing unfinished. Take everything to it's logical conclusion." | 01:21 |
| @rizen | ok that's two statements | 01:21 |
| @rizen | but they mean the same | 01:21 |
| nuba | ok | 01:22 |
| @rizen | you're probably right that at some point someone should write such a document | 01:22 |
| @rizen | but i'm afraid i'm not that guy | 01:22 |
| nuba | well the thing is what you call "unfinished business" could be "good enough" for other people, thats when having such guide would be handy | 01:23 |
| @rizen | i understand why it would be useful | 01:23 |
| nuba | so it could be called a JT-compliant asset | 01:23 |
| @rizen | i'm just not the guy to write ite | 01:23 |
| nuba | k | 01:24 |
| nuba | i may write, or help write one, eventually | 01:24 |
| nuba | right now im mostly learning the webgui way by inspecting other people's code and the api | 01:25 |
| @rizen | currently there's only one file in all of webgui 7.4 that follows the best practices to the letter | 01:27 |
| @rizen | lib/WebGUI/Keywords.pm | 01:27 |
| @rizen | we adopted the Perl Best Practices back in January, but it's going to take a long time before we can bring the entire codebase up to that standard | 01:28 |
| nuba | k | 01:29 |
| nuba | this Keywords.pm looks interesting, im updating to 7.4.1 to see it working | 01:39 |
| nuba | sounds like what I had in mind earlier today, re: mapping random assets inside webgui | 01:39 |
| @rizen | it's basically what other sites call "tags" | 01:40 |
| nuba | im failiar with tags and tagclouds | 01:40 |
| @rizen | but we already have HTML tags, template tags, and version tags | 01:40 |
| nuba | i mean the implementation | 01:40 |
| @rizen | so i didn't want to confuse the situation | 01:40 |
| @rizen | anymore than it already is | 01:40 |
| nuba | i mean a sitewide table | 01:40 |
| @rizen | well this API is capable of being applied to all assets | 01:41 |
| nuba | i thought of a locations table, with assetId, lat, long | 01:41 |
| @rizen | i just ran out of time | 01:41 |
| @rizen | so currently it's only for the wiki | 01:41 |
| nuba | yeah thats what I saw there | 01:41 |
| nuba | nice | 01:41 |
| @rizen | yeah, i think you'd need something different for the locations, but it would be a similar api | 01:42 |
| nuba | btw a locator form gadget would call for a sitewide googlemaps key | 01:42 |
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| nuba | so for it to work the site admin would have to go and fetch a api key | 01:42 |
| nuba | i suppose you're ok with that reqiurement | 01:42 |
| nuba | in the understanding that you'd be interesting in adding such gadget to the core | 01:42 |
| nuba | oops, interested* | 01:43 |
| @rizen | hmmm...i hadn't considered that | 01:43 |
| nuba | i thought "it would be interesting" but changed mind in the middle of it :) | 01:43 |
| @rizen | i guess it would be ok as long as people didn't have to use the key unless they wanted to use the asset that uses it | 01:43 |
| nuba | well, i can visualize that being like a WebGUI::Form::Location thing | 01:44 |
| nuba | is that how you think of it too? | 01:44 |
| nuba | or what? | 01:44 |
| @rizen | the form yes | 01:45 |
| @rizen | but the site wide google key...i don't want people to have to register for google keys just so they can create a webgui site | 01:45 |
| @rizen | so this location form control has to automatically disable itself | 01:45 |
| @rizen | unless the user has the key | 01:46 |
| nuba | ok. so if (nokey) { graceously poof } | 01:46 |
| @rizen | or if not disabled, it needs to downgrade gracefully to a simple lat/long field | 01:46 |
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| nuba | ok | 01:47 |
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| nuba | rizen: on the gotcha.txt, line 47, s/tempalates/templates/ | 01:57 |
| nuba | also check this string | 02:14 |
| nuba | [root@frozen tools]# head -200 /data/WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt | 02:14 |
| nuba | and some repeated line | 02:14 |
| nuba | on http://www.plainblack.com/getwebgui/advisories/webgui-7_4_0-beta-released | 02:14 |
| nuba | lines* | 02:15 |
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| +crythia1 | no public announcement on 7.4.1? | 03:13 |
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| Radix-europe | Mornin' | 10:51 |
| AMH_henry | morning :) | 10:52 |
| Radix-europe | :) | 10:53 |
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| xootom | i'm struggling with my groupings problem still, if anyone has a moment.. i mentioned yesterday about having a group for every school, and within this, a group for students of the school and teachers of the school. anyone can join the students group, but access to the teachers group is controlled. if i'm logged on as a teacher, how can i get a list of students of the school? i might be in lots of different groups, so how do i identify which group is a school and | 14:09 |
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| AMH_henry | @xootom: a group has a description field. You could fill that field with something that identify a school uniquely and search for it | 14:17 |
| xootom | ahh you're right, that would help. but how do i know which school i'm in as a teacher, if i get a list of my groups it'll contain all sorts including forum subscriptions, etc etc | 14:18 |
| AMH_henry | teachers also belong to a teachers group, right? You can use the description field in that group | 14:19 |
| xootom | true, maybe all the teachers of school x and teachers of school y groups should sit under a teachers group. then i just find which group they are in which is a child of the teachers group. then i take the description which is the school name, and find the group that is students of that name | 14:23 |
| xootom | not sure if its open to abuse though using descriptions like that, would forum post subscriptions contain school names or anything | 14:24 |
| xootom | perhaps it would be easier without a students group, they are just in the school group | 14:27 |
| xootom | yes that might work, a group of schools containing all the schools, a group of teachers containing a teacher group for every school, then i can find the teacher group for a teacher and using the matching description find the non-teacher school group | 14:28 |
| AMH_henry | who is responsible for adding students and teachers? | 14:30 |
| xootom | self registering students can add themselves to a school, some students will be imported from csv files and added to the school. teachers will all be manually added to their school's teacher group | 14:31 |
| Radix-europe | xootoo - we manage our groups using sql lookups. Every user has an account, but they don't belong to any groups by default. Instead we use sql lookups to determine group membership - so we have a table in mysql that equates to each user and simply a number of rows for each group with a boolean flag in each. Its simple but works a treat for us. | 14:32 |
| xootom | do you need to create them all as webgui groups first? | 14:33 |
| Radix-europe | yes | 14:33 |
| xootom | brb | 14:33 |
| AMH_henry | @xootom: another idea. Instead of using the description field, you could use AssetId as identification. Say each school has a unique number. All Students groups get assetId's like STUDENT<schoolID> (padding to 22 char. long) and all teachers group gets assetId's like TEACHER<schoolId>. This way you can easily find matching groups. It's a bit of an hack, but it's faster than using description field. | 14:40 |
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| xootom | @amh_henry: thanks, what are assetids normally used for? | 15:55 |
| AMH_henry | @xootom: assetId are the unique identifiers for an asset. btw, i meant group id | 15:56 |
| xootom | ahh that's a good idea, i was thinking of having the school group's id the same as the school's id in our crm system, i could prefix it with s_ or t_ or something | 15:59 |
| xootom | yeah if i precede it with teacher_ i can search for the group starting "teacher_" that the user is in to get the school's id | 16:01 |
| xootom | thanks for your help :) | 16:01 |
| AMH_henry | you're welcome :) | 16:05 |
| AMH_henry | Wow! Your version: You are using 7.4.0-beta and 7.4.1-beta is available. | 16:10 |
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| xootom | yeah i upgraded yesterday, these versions are coming out swiftly! got to make sure you don't miss one or the upgrade fails though | 16:20 |
| xootom | amh_henry: are groupids max 22 characters? | 16:29 |
| MrHairgreas1 | yes | 16:29 |
| MrHairgreas1 | all guids are 22 chracters | 16:29 |
| MrHairgreas1 | please note that guids MUST be unique | 16:30 |
| MrHairgreas1 | so only generate them by yourself if you know what you are doing | 16:31 |
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| xootom | sugar crm ids have 36 chars, maybe i'd be better using webgui to generate groups with random guids, and save those into the sugar db instead, or have another linking table | 16:31 |
| xootom | hmm i've got a groupid 3, admins and a userid also with 3, is that bad? | 16:37 |
| AMH_henry | that's default | 16:39 |
| AMH_henry | groupid and userid are separate things | 16:40 |
| xootom | ok so within a class of asset they must be unique | 16:41 |
| AMH_henry | hmm... assets, groups and users are different entities. They all have their own unique id. | 16:43 |
| MrHairgrease | assets have an owner | 16:47 |
| MrHairgrease | which is a userID | 16:47 |
| MrHairgrease | and a group toe edit and a group to view | 16:47 |
| MrHairgrease | which are both groupId's | 16:47 |
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| danny_mk | Good morning | 16:53 |
| MrHairgrease | hi | 16:53 |
| danny_mk | I know about the Forms | 16:53 |
| danny_mk | however, I was wondering if anyone had a macro that would build a date picker field with a popup calendar | 16:54 |
| danny_mk | since the yui library is already available it should be pretty easy to do | 16:54 |
| MrHairgrease | as far as i know there is no such macro | 16:55 |
| MrHairgrease | but it would be trivial to make | 16:55 |
| MrHairgrease | what i don not understand however | 16:55 |
| danny_mk | well, I am writting it now, just wanted to make sure it was not already done | 16:55 |
| MrHairgrease | is what you want to do with such a macro | 16:55 |
| danny_mk | well, how do you pass n+ fields to a sql report? | 16:58 |
| danny_mk | if the user has to input these fields? | 16:58 |
| MrHairgrease | oh | 16:59 |
| MrHairgrease | i see | 16:59 |
| MrHairgrease | your putting it in a sql report template | 16:59 |
| MrHairgrease | and use the result in the query | 16:59 |
| MrHairgrease | s/result/inputted date/ | 16:59 |
| danny_mk | it would be nice to have a macro that created an input tag with a popup calendar and date validation | 16:59 |
| danny_mk | no | 17:00 |
| danny_mk | picture this. I have a sql report that produces a listing of states, something like: <a href="/wgasseturl/moreinfo?id=5">Connecticut</a> | 17:01 |
| danny_mk | the moreinfo page has a sql report that shows the current state information | 17:02 |
| danny_mk | underneath that I have an article that contains an html table for fields within that state that I would like to modify | 17:03 |
| danny_mk | the article is actually a form that has an action oofo /wgasseturl/updateinfo/ | 17:04 |
| danny_mk | when the contents of the modified state information get posted to updateinfo the database is updated | 17:05 |
| danny_mk | does that help? | 17:05 |
| MrHairgrease | and updateinfo is a custom asset? | 17:06 |
| danny_mk | no, I think a sql report will do the job, have not gotten there yet. Still working on the date field deal | 17:08 |
| MrHairgrease | how does updateinfo update the db then? | 17:08 |
| danny_mk | I havent gotten to that point yet. I am still working on the more info page. I think it can be done with a sql report as well. | 17:09 |
| MrHairgrease | sql reports cannot update the db | 17:10 |
| MrHairgrease | unless you state that your dblink allows that | 17:10 |
| MrHairgrease | but allowing db writes through the sql report | 17:11 |
| MrHairgrease | will almost certainly open security holes | 17:11 |
| danny_mk | I can always write a custom asset, that is not show stopper | 17:11 |
| MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:12 |
| MrHairgrease | but if you do that | 17:12 |
| MrHairgrease | you won't have to use this really complex setup | 17:12 |
| MrHairgrease | also what you might consider using is the sqlform | 17:12 |
| danny_mk | hmm... I did not think it was complex at all | 17:12 |
| MrHairgrease | or maybe even a collaboration system | 17:12 |
| MrHairgrease | if you are using articles to create input form that send data to some other page which will try to update the db without the ability to at least sanity check the data that's being put in | 17:14 |
| MrHairgrease | i think your doing stuff too complicated =) | 17:14 |
| MrHairgrease | but that's just me =) | 17:14 |
| MrHairgrease | my guess is | 17:15 |
| MrHairgrease | that what you want to do is possible using the SQLForm asset | 17:15 |
| MrHairgrease | it's for power users only | 17:15 |
| MrHairgrease | but you seem like one | 17:15 |
| MrHairgrease | so give it a try | 17:16 |
| danny_mk | you know, the save button for sqlform was disabled on my installation, I have to figure out why | 17:16 |
| danny_mk | never mind, I just figured out why :-( | 17:17 |
| MrHairgrease | it's diabled b/c you haven;t typed in a tablename yet | 17:18 |
| MrHairgrease | ok | 17:18 |
| danny_mk | anyway, it would still be nice to have a macro that generated that type of field | 17:18 |
| MrHairgrease | sure | 17:18 |
| MrHairgrease | go ahead and code it | 17:19 |
| MrHairgrease | =) | 17:19 |
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| danny_mk | sort of like ^YUIWGDatePicker("myFieldName"); | 17:19 |
| danny_mk | LOL, I was almost done with it when I asked | 17:19 |
| MrHairgrease | heh | 17:20 |
| danny_mk | I just thought to myself, "WHAT THE HELL am I DOING?" | 17:20 |
| danny_mk | LOL | 17:20 |
| danny_mk | I thought that there had to be an easier way, perhaphs someone already coded this or there is a way to do it already | 17:22 |
| xootom | is it intentional that the default group for sql reports' download user group is ad manager? | 17:28 |
| MrHairgrease | i don't think so | 17:28 |
| MrHairgrease | my guess is | 17:28 |
| MrHairgrease | that ad manager has the top position of the select box | 17:29 |
| MrHairgrease | alphabetically it's ranked pretty much on top i guess | 17:29 |
| danny_mk | MrHairGrease: You know the SQLForm is still in Beta and defiinitely showing some odd behavior. I got the "save" button enabled once when I typed in the table name | 17:31 |
| danny_mk | but now it just won't enable again, no matter how many times I type in the table name | 17:32 |
| danny_mk | I commited my changes and cleared the cache just in case but no dice | 17:32 |
| MrHairgrease | oh | 17:33 |
| MrHairgrease | that's weird | 17:33 |
| MrHairgrease | you are not importing a table are you? | 17:33 |
| danny_mk | does not matter | 17:33 |
| danny_mk | if I leave it unchecked its dissabled | 17:33 |
| danny_mk | if I check it its disabled | 17:33 |
| MrHairgrease | hmm | 17:34 |
| MrHairgrease | dunno directly what's wrong then | 17:34 |
| danny_mk | have you used it before? | 17:34 |
| MrHairgrease | i wrote it | 17:34 |
| MrHairgrease | but i haven't used it lately | 17:34 |
| danny_mk | Ah, OK | 17:34 |
| MrHairgrease | still | 17:34 |
| MrHairgrease | if something going wrong t should tell you about it | 17:35 |
| MrHairgrease | in stead of just not work | 17:35 |
| MrHairgrease | =) | 17:35 |
| MrHairgrease | which browser are you on? | 17:35 |
| danny_mk | what is the trigger to get it enabled? | 17:35 |
| danny_mk | I am using Firefox 2.0.0.6 | 17:35 |
| MrHairgrease | ok | 17:35 |
| MrHairgrease | which dblink are you using | 17:35 |
| danny_mk | the one to my db | 17:36 |
| MrHairgrease | not the webgui db right? | 17:36 |
| danny_mk | it works fine for my reporot | 17:36 |
| danny_mk | no, not the webgui one | 17:36 |
| MrHairgrease | ok | 17:36 |
| MrHairgrease | are you allowed to create table in that db? | 17:36 |
| danny_mk | yup | 17:36 |
| MrHairgrease | and this table name you entered | 17:37 |
| danny_mk | hmm... let me check the username for that link | 17:37 |
| MrHairgrease | does that exist already? | 17:37 |
| danny_mk | darnit, in the list of allowed keywords I did not have "create" | 17:38 |
| danny_mk | let me test it again. | 17:38 |
| MrHairgrease | that shouldn't matter afaik | 17:38 |
| danny_mk | well, I did not think it should since the object already exists in the db | 17:38 |
| MrHairgrease | something has prolly gone wrong creating the table | 17:39 |
| MrHairgrease | it's just weird that it didn't complain | 17:39 |
| danny_mk | OK, I don't want to create the table | 17:39 |
| danny_mk | the table already exists | 17:39 |
| MrHairgrease | oh | 17:39 |
| MrHairgrease | in that case | 17:39 |
| MrHairgrease | you must be very careful | 17:39 |
| MrHairgrease | the sqlform will change you table | 17:40 |
| MrHairgrease | drop primary keys | 17:40 |
| MrHairgrease | add columns | 17:40 |
| MrHairgrease | so if you need it the way it is | 17:40 |
| MrHairgrease | don't import it | 17:40 |
| danny_mk | ok, then I can't use the SQLForm | 17:40 |
| MrHairgrease | that why there is an import this table switch | 17:40 |
| danny_mk | I would like to leave these as is | 17:40 |
| MrHairgrease | it will not import tables | 17:40 |
| MrHairgrease | if you do not switch it on | 17:41 |
| MrHairgrease | but it should've told you that | 17:41 |
| MrHairgrease | ok | 17:41 |
| MrHairgrease | in that case | 17:41 |
| MrHairgrease | you'd prolly be best off wrinting an asset specifically for it | 17:41 |
| danny_mk | Ah, LOL. I am back where I started :-) | 17:41 |
| MrHairgrease | but you can combine the view and edit mode for your db | 17:42 |
| MrHairgrease | in one asset | 17:42 |
| MrHairgrease | in a safe way | 17:42 |
| MrHairgrease | not by posting stuff to sqlreports with dblinks that allow updates | 17:42 |
| MrHairgrease | heh | 17:42 |
| MrHairgrease | good way to start the weekend =) | 17:42 |
| danny_mk | question 2 | 17:43 |
| danny_mk | I know there are many webmail clients out there. I currenly use OpenWebMail. I was wondering if Webgui had a native WebMail client. | 17:43 |
| MrHairgrease | no | 17:44 |
| MrHairgrease | not that i know off anyway | 17:44 |
| MrHairgrease | of* | 17:44 |
| danny_mk | OK | 17:45 |
| danny_mk | There was a discussion on single sign on that showed a link to a collaboration suite written in Perl that looked interesting, I will have to find that again | 17:46 |
| danny_mk | I need a good WebMail client for one of my websites. | 17:46 |
| MrHairgrease | i don't think webgui offers you that | 17:48 |
| MrHairgrease | yet | 17:48 |
| MrHairgrease | it would make a pretty cool asset though | 17:48 |
| danny_mk | definitely would | 17:49 |
| danny_mk | Would need a team of developers just for that one I think :-) | 17:50 |
| MrHairgrease | or a lot of time | 17:52 |
| MrHairgrease | =) | 17:52 |
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| nuba | danny_mk: i checked a while ago and the roundcube project was pretty nice | 17:55 |
| nuba | danny_mk: in case you're fishing for webmail recommendations :) | 17:55 |
| danny_mk | sure, however it is hard to find software that is developed either using Perl or Java. I am trying real hard to keep my servers PHP and other software free | 17:56 |
| danny_mk | just a personal preference. | 17:56 |
| nuba | same here | 17:57 |
| nuba | not easy tho | 17:57 |
| danny_mk | nope, but I kind of prefer it that way :-) | 17:57 |
| nuba | actually I usually avoid java too, if possible :) | 17:58 |
| danny_mk | RoundCube Webmail is written in PHP | 17:58 |
| danny_mk | darnit! | 17:58 |
| nuba | yes, i know. I've used it for a while, did some custom stuff for a client, check the code, it's not that bad.. | 17:59 |
| danny_mk | it is not about the code. PHP is pretty easy to understand, I just did not want another language to worry about on my apps. | 18:00 |
| nuba | have you found any good looking, perl-based, webmail ? | 18:01 |
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| nuba | or at least contemporary-looking.. | 18:01 |
| nuba | i think openwebmail is nice but would use some interface revamp | 18:01 |
| danny_mk | openwebmail works great, however the interface is a little outdated for me http://openwebmail.org | 18:02 |
| danny_mk | right | 18:02 |
| nuba | yeah its hard to have that as the webmail offering in your portfolio | 18:02 |
| danny_mk | LOL | 18:03 |
| nuba | its feature-rich, but butt-ugly | 18:03 |
| nuba | as people are now used to interfaces like gmail's - for free | 18:03 |
| danny_mk | right | 18:03 |
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| danny_mk | If it would be integrated into WebGUI I bet the interface would benefit from YUI and the WebGUI api | 18:06 |
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| harleypig | Is there any known problem with starting spectre from the apache startup.pl script? | 21:42 |
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| harleypig | How can I make spectre use localhost instead of going all the way out to the dns server to find my local ip? | 01:10 |
| harleypig | Right now it's trying to connect to mydomain.com instead of localhost, so ithas to resolve the ip everytime. | 01:10 |
| @preaction | set your hostname in /etc/hosts ? | 01:10 |
| harleypig | I'd still have to set the hosts file to the external ip address. | 01:11 |
| harleypig | I guess it's not that big of a deal, now that I think of it. | 01:11 |
| @preaction | no, you could set the hosts file to 127.0.0.1 | 01:12 |
| harleypig | No I can't ... I have other programs that require a valid ip for the domain name. | 01:12 |
| harleypig | I'm slowly getting rid of them though. | 01:12 |
| @preaction | that isn't a valid ip? | 01:12 |
| harleypig | Err .. a valid external ip. | 01:13 |
| @preaction | those sounds like some damned stupid programs :( | 01:13 |
| @preaction | spectre uses the first siteName in your webgui config, unfortunately so do a lot of other things | 01:13 |
| @preaction | (for display purposes, like mail sent out from a CS, but i suppose that's spectre sending out that mail) | 01:14 |
| harleypig | It just occurred to me that I should be setting the spectreSubnet variable to my external ip. | 01:14 |
| harleypig | *blush* | 01:14 |
| harleypig | That's why it's unable to connect. | 01:14 |
| @preaction | probably | 01:14 |
| @preaction | maybe even the spectreIp | 01:15 |
| harleypig | On another note on spectre ... is there a way to pass a command line parm that says exit if already daemonized. | 01:15 |
| @preaction | not that i know of | 01:15 |
| harleypig | I'm starting spectre in my apache startup.pl, but I guess I'm gonna have to add code to check if its already running. | 01:15 |
| @preaction | i don't know if spectre is process-aware of itself | 01:15 |
| harleypig | does spectre leave a pid file lying around? | 01:16 |
| harleypig | checking code | 01:16 |
| harleypig | Doesn'tlook like it | 01:21 |
| @preaction | i dont know if we'd consider that a bug, but rather an RFE (Having spectre become process-aware of itself) | 01:22 |
| harleypig | Yeah, I'd say it was an rfe too. | 01:23 |
| @preaction | but with that feature, we'd be able to connect to running spectre instances, which could allow for some very cool debugging | 01:23 |
| @preaction | feel free to post it, if we can get JT behind it it might make it into 7.5 (he's always looking for ways to minimize the problems people have with spectre) | 01:24 |
| harleypig | Ummm ... how much is acceptable? I haven't taken a deep enough look, but I know there is at least one module on the cpan that makes this easy. | 01:25 |
| harleypig | I mean, how much change is acceptable? | 01:26 |
| @preaction | how much what? i'd imagine it'd be as simple as spectre.pl checking for a $WEBGUI_ROOT/var/spectre.pid and then trying to connect using $WEBGUI_ROOT/var/spectre.sock | 01:26 |
| @preaction | as long as it doesn't break any existing API (you can extend them, but not break them), it's acceptable | 01:27 |
| harleypig | Ok. | 01:27 |
| @preaction | the difficulty though, will determine how long it takes before plainblack puts hours on it(unless someone in the community does it) | 01:27 |
| harleypig | :] | 01:27 |
| @preaction | posting patches, as long as they follow the WebGUI Best Practices (search the wiki), are usually immediately added to the next beta version (7.5.0 in this case) | 01:28 |
| harleypig | Wait ... connections to spectre are via http correct? If so, sock programming isn't necessary right? | 01:34 |
| @preaction | spectre connects to webgui via http, but currently there's no way to connect to spectre at all | 01:34 |
| @preaction | wait, webgui can communicate with spectre | 01:34 |
| @preaction | so yes, somehow. i think it's buried in the POE::Component::IKC::Client code | 01:35 |
| @preaction | i dunno, spectre's still a bit of a blackbox to me | 01:35 |
| harleypig | Oh. Why is it always more complicated than I think it is? | 01:37 |
| @preaction | the lament of every programmer everywhere ;) | 01:37 |
| harleypig | :] | 01:37 |
| @preaction | it always sounds easy, but it never is... | 01:38 |
| @preaction | the 90/10 theory: 90% of the cases take 10% of the work, the other 10% take 90% | 01:38 |
| harleypig | heh ... right. | 01:39 |
| harleypig | wierd ... in the spectre.pl code there is a line that is supposed to check if spectre is already running ... but I'm not seeing that error code. | 01:39 |
| harleypig | I need to back up ... | 01:42 |
| harleypig | I'm trying to get a source install working and I'm getting the following error: | 01:43 |
| harleypig | Couldn't connect to WebGUI site makethebad | 01:43 |
| harleypig | manstop.biz.conf at http://www.makethebadmanstop.biz:80/?op=spectreGetSiteData. Response: 500 read timeout | 01:43 |
| harleypig | Can anyone help me pinpoint this error? | 01:43 |
| @preaction | can you view that in a web browser? | 01:44 |
| @preaction | did you try: cd /data/WebGUI/sbin; perl spectre.pl --test ? | 01:44 |
| harleypig | No, I get a 500 error ... the log says ... | 01:44 |
| harleypig | I wasn't aware of that option ... | 01:44 |
| @preaction | it just tests connectivity, what does the webgui error log say? | 01:44 |
| harleypig | same thing | 01:45 |
| harleypig | Can't connect to data source 'dbi:mysql;makethebadmanstop_biz;host=localh | 01:45 |
| harleypig | ost' because I can't work out what driver to use (it doesn't seem to contain a 'dbi:driver:' | 01:45 |
| @preaction | that'd be your problem | 01:45 |
| harleypig | err ,,, error_LOG says this | 01:45 |
| @preaction | it should be dbi:mysql: (not ;) | 01:45 |
| harleypig | Oh ... wonder if that was in the default or if I fat fingered it ... | 01:47 |
| harleypig | I fat fingered it. | 01:47 |
| harleypig | *sigh* | 01:47 |
| @preaction | it happens | 01:47 |
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| harleypig | Hmmm ... now that url is returning a json stream of just {} | 01:57 |
| harleypig | and the spectre.pl --test is failing. | 01:57 |
| @preaction | is the site up? | 01:57 |
| @preaction | does the webgui error log say anything? how about the apache error log? | 01:57 |
| harleypig | Ah ... I see ... my ip isn't in the list ... but the ip spectre is coming from is, according to the error message. | 01:57 |
| harleypig | yeah. | 01:57 |
| harleypig | apache error log doesn't say anything | 01:58 |
| harleypig | webgui says samething ... 500 read timeout. | 01:58 |
| @preaction | how about above that? webgui and spectre share the same error log | 01:59 |
| @preaction | or pastebin a tail of your webgui error log | 01:59 |
| @preaction | perlbot paste? | 01:59 |
| perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. | 01:59 |
| harleypig | I'm reading the wrong part of the log ... I cleared the screen (pressed enter a bunch of times) and ran the test again. No error in either log, but the console says: ERROR: WebGUI cannot communicate with Spectre. Perhaps you need to adjust the spectreIp or spectrePort setting the this config file | 02:00 |
| @preaction | spectreIp in spectre.conf is the IP that spectre will try to bind to. spectreIp in the webgui.conf is the IP that webgui expects spectre to be on. both should be the same (and the IP of the box) | 02:01 |
| @preaction | so probably your internet IP | 02:01 |
| @preaction | and then spectreSubnets should probably include that IP as well (but i'm not sure if that's required) | 02:02 |
| harleypig | Hmmm ... I was focusing on the makethebadmanstop.biz.conf file because that's where the variable spectreIp and spectrePort are ... | 02:03 |
| harleypig | but I'll try changing the ip variable as well in spectre.conf | 02:03 |
| @preaction | yeah, that's the right one | 02:03 |
| @preaction | oh, sorry, thought you were meaning webgui.conf | 02:03 |
| harleypig | Isn't webgui.conf the one that should be copied and modified for each site? | 02:04 |
| @preaction | yes | 02:05 |
| @preaction | i just said "webgui.conf" to refer to "yoursite's webgui configuration" | 02:05 |
| harleypig | ah | 02:06 |
| harleypig | makes sense | 02:06 |
| harleypig | wow ... impressive starter once you get it going. | 02:13 |
| @preaction | the new site wizard thing? | 02:13 |
| @preaction | i've never actually tried it | 02:13 |
| harleypig | Yeah | 02:13 |
| harleypig | Makes it easy to get new sites going with virtual hosts ... very cool. | 02:14 |
| @preaction | one of these days i'm going to make a call-to-arms for WebGUI Source Install package maintainers for various distros. it will help since some people seem to dislike the idea of the WRE adding an additional Perl / Mysql / Apache to their system | 02:15 |
| harleypig | I don't ... that's why I went the source route. | 02:15 |
| harleypig | I've already got all three, on a limited space account ... | 02:15 |
| @preaction | exactly, the type of people we need for "hobby users" (which in turn ask their places of employment to use WebGUI) usually know enough to run their own apache / mysql / perl | 02:16 |
| @preaction | so if we can get a .deb package (depends on Apache2-mpm-prefork, mysql-server, image-magick, perl-5.8.8) and add some simple scripts to create / delete webgui virtual hosts, it would be easy to install webgui from source | 02:17 |
| @preaction | the create script would add the appropriate virtualhost config to the appropriate place | 02:18 |
| @preaction | like a2ensite does for debian | 02:18 |
| @preaction | wg_addsite <sitename> and wg_deletesite <sitename> | 02:19 |
| harleypig | I'm not familiar with those, but I keep my virtual hosts in separate files | 02:21 |
| @preaction | they don't exist yet | 02:22 |
| harleypig | So i wouldn't be comfortable automating thatpart | 02:22 |
| harleypig | ah | 02:22 |
| @preaction | wg_addsite would create a new virtualhost file from a skeleton, replacing the server name, according to the distribution's standard method of doing it | 02:22 |
| harleypig | oic | 02:22 |
| @preaction | it'd be customized for each distribution | 02:23 |
| @preaction | or, theoretically, we could just maintain a man page that would tell the users how do to it | 02:23 |
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| harleypig | and a default of a dumped file they could paste | 02:23 |
| @preaction | something like an entire <VirtualHost *:80> they could customize for themselves | 02:25 |
| harleypig | exactly | 02:27 |
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| +crythias | ... and then I got the Wii and started moving content around with it within WebGUI and then... | 03:31 |
| @preaction | omg 31337! | 03:31 |
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| +crythias | http://www.costcentral.com/proddetail/Lenovo_3000_N200_0769/0769AFU/N03062/extended/ | 18:00 |
| +crythias | sorry | 18:05 |
| +crythias | wrong link | 18:05 |
| +crythias | http://www.freakingnews.com/PacMan-Pictures--1129-0.asp | 18:05 |
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| danny_mk | crythias, you around? | 18:52 |
| danny_mk | how bout you nuba? | 18:53 |
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| nuba | just passing by | 19:41 |
| nuba | oh hes not here anymore | 19:42 |
| nuba | nevermind | 19:42 |
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| danny_mk | Hi everyone | 20:56 |
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| danny_mk | hmmm... the encrypt login option does not seem to be available in 7.4.1 | 22:35 |
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| +crythias | yawn | 23:21 |
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| crythia2 | hm | 06:13 |
| PerlPilot | hmm hm hmmmm hmmm hm hm hm hmmm | 06:16 |
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| Radix-europe | hey dapperedodo - working from home today? :) | 11:10 |
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| arnaud__ | hi | 14:54 |
| * arnaud__ feels alone... | 14:56 | |
| arnaud__ | is there an ongoing French translation (i18n part) for the latest version ? | 14:57 |
| xdanger_ | http://i18n.webgui.org/ | 14:59 |
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| arnaud__ | thanks | 15:00 |
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| arnaud__ | no unicode...HTML element only ? | 15:02 |
| arnaud__ | We (french people) like to throws accent everywhere... | 15:03 |
| arnaud__ | forget my last comment... Seems like the editor take care of converting my accents to HTML entities... | 15:09 |
| arnaud__ | Should I follow the (english) text inconsistency ? Or correct it in my translation ? | 15:26 |
| arnaud__ | "How many impressions (individual displays of the ad) has the advertiser purchased? If they purchased a number of clicks you can leave this at zero." | 15:26 |
| arnaud__ | shouldn't it be : advertiserS/they or advertiser/he ? | 15:27 |
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| AMH_bob | Goodmorning! | 16:07 |
| arnaud__ | hi ! | 16:08 |
| arnaud__ | (good afternoon here in France) | 16:08 |
| AMH_bob | (yeah, same here in Holland :P ) | 16:09 |
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| danny_mk | anyone around? | 18:19 |
| nuba | no | 18:27 |
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| danny_mk | nuba, I can't figure out what style is used when visiting any page and passing ?op=auth | 18:37 |
| danny_mk | I thouoght it was failsafe | 18:38 |
| @Haarg | it's whatever is set for the 'User Function Style' in Settings > UI | 18:47 |
| danny_mk | Thank you, darn that was hard to figure out :-) | 18:51 |
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| sanyock | Hi People! | 19:01 |
| sanyock | Unfortunately: | 19:02 |
| sanyock | <tmpl_if session.var.adminOn> | 19:02 |
| sanyock | </tmpl_if> | 19:02 |
| sanyock | does not work for me :( | 19:02 |
| sanyock | 7.3.22 | 19:03 |
| @Haarg | when did it stop working? | 19:05 |
| sanyock | I did not use it previously and guess it should work in predefined templates, but it does not work in my template | 19:06 |
| sanyock | Just tried to add it and does not work | 19:06 |
| sanyock | This templates has some other macroses like ^AssetProxy("aulix/style1/navigation"); | 19:07 |
| sanyock | and tehy work fine | 19:07 |
| sanyock | In resulting page <tmpl_if session.var.adminOn> does not exist but the text inside it does | 19:08 |
| sanyock | I commited and cleared cache | 19:08 |
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| sanyock | sorry, it was my mistake | 19:21 |
| sanyock | works fine now | 19:21 |
| wgGuest93 | Hi. I'am a web designer and I'm new at CMS world. I've been reading and testing the demo of webgui; but I relly need more help (maybe starting from general concepts) | 19:22 |
| * sanyock wonders which SSO is the most popular and convenient: CSA or OpenID ? | 19:24 | |
| wgGuest93 | it is possible to install Webgui in a comercial Hosting? | 19:25 |
| sanyock | VPS | 19:27 |
| sanyock | when u r a root | 19:27 |
| wgGuest93 | how i konw if im a root?? | 19:31 |
| sanyock | if you do not know about root then most likely you should use plainblack.com shared hosting | 19:33 |
| wgGuest93 | in this plainblack hosting, is Webgui pre-installed? | 19:36 |
| sanyock | yes | 19:42 |
| wgGuest93 | there are several hosting plans at plainblack.com, will be enough with the "supported WebGUI hosting"? | 19:47 |
| nuba | danny_mk: you can look at the html for any unique-looking string | 19:47 |
| nuba | then search for it in the database | 19:47 |
| nuba | i do that with phpmyadmin, makes searching the entire db really easy | 19:48 |
| nuba | and to search the code i usually do "find /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ -type f | xargs grep 'string' " | 19:52 |
| nuba | sometimes passing additional switches to grep | 19:52 |
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| danny_mk | talking about SSO, is someone working on a Auth module for OpenID or CSA? | 19:59 |
| danny_mk | I would be interested in using such a module. | 19:59 |
| danny_mk | OK nuba, I thought about that but the answer was easier than I expected. | 20:01 |
| nuba | danny_mk: you'll have to send karma this way: http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/openid | 20:04 |
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| danny_mk | if it does not get done soon I will have to take on the project myself. It would be good to have this module. | 20:54 |
| danny_mk | I am still waiting to be passed the baton for the chat Wobject | 20:56 |
| +crythias | oooh... chat. | 21:18 |
| +crythias | seems everyone is doing a php chat thing | 21:26 |
| danny_mk | no, not a php chat one | 21:33 |
| danny_mk | a Perl one for Webgui | 21:33 |
| xdanger_ | nuba: just a quick note... why do you use find? why not just grep -R 'string' /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/* ?-) | 21:47 |
| nuba | habits | 21:50 |
| nuba | im used to do lots of things with find|xargs | 21:51 |
| nuba | doing* | 21:52 |
| nuba | plus you have things like mtime, size, etc with find | 21:54 |
| nuba | pruning | 21:54 |
| nuba | find rocks | 21:56 |
| nuba | love it | 21:56 |
| nuba | :) | 21:56 |
| xdanger_ | =P | 21:56 |
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| nuba | dumb recursing can be a real pita | 21:59 |
| xdanger_ | I've never "really REALLY" mastered the *nix shell =) | 22:00 |
| nuba | well one is always learning :) | 22:01 |
| nuba | its hard to say one has really REALLY mastered anything.. | 22:01 |
| xdanger_ | I have a friend who (in my opinion) has mastered it... and many other things... | 22:03 |
| xdanger_ | he has this incredible memory... he remembers every code that he has ever writen, and even all random generated passwords after just one read... | 22:05 |
| nuba | well, that happens sometimes i guess | 22:06 |
| nuba | now random generated passwords, after one read, thats crazyness :) | 22:06 |
| nuba | is he like "rain man" or anything ? | 22:06 |
| xdanger_ | A little maybe... | 22:07 |
| nuba | heh | 22:07 |
| xdanger_ | not in the "socialy stupid" but a little akward | 22:07 |
| xdanger_ | He's now a very creative person... He always says that he's a little autistic | 22:08 |
| nuba | well they say no one is reeaaaly normal if you look close enough.. | 22:09 |
| xdanger_ | true | 22:12 |
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| AMH_bob | Hey, good morning! | 16:17 |
| SDuensin | Howdy | 16:20 |
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| danny_mk | preaction, are you around? Do you have the code cleaned up for the chat Wobject? | 16:33 |
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| synq | ielliew | 17:34 |
| wgGuest96 | hai | 17:35 |
| synq | hai wgGuest Bart | 17:39 |
| Radix-europe | Hey Koen :) | 17:40 |
| synq | hai Jesse | 17:40 |
| synq | Radix? | 17:40 |
| Radix-europe | Yah | 17:40 |
| synq | shouldn't that be 'Radex' ? | 17:40 |
| Radix-europe | heh | 17:41 |
| Radix-europe | nope, I had the nick Radix before I went to your office ;) | 17:41 |
| synq | hehe | 17:41 |
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| Radix-europe | My friends saw the photo I took of the outside of the office and said you spelt my name wrong on the welcome board ;) | 17:41 |
| wgGuest96 | :) | 17:42 |
| Radix-europe | http://www.flickr.com/photos/radix999/982431612/ | 17:42 |
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| SynQ | hehe | 17:43 |
| Radix-europe | I decided to go see a few museums today - went to Museum Prinsenhof, Van Meerten and the Army Museum | 17:44 |
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| SynQ | nice | 17:49 |
| SynQ | how was the army museum? | 17:49 |
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| Radix-europe | Pretty cool actually.. lots and lots of weapons, suits of armor, uniforms, swords, pistols, rifles, guns, tanks, rocket launchers, and everything else you find in war | 17:50 |
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| SynQ | shot off limbs? | 17:50 |
| Radix-europe | http://www.flickr.com/photos/radix999/tags/army/ | 17:51 |
| Radix-europe | the only museum I went to today where you could take photos.. and I took plenty :) | 17:52 |
| SynQ | old shit | 17:54 |
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| nuba | find /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI -type f -name "*pm" | xargs grep "' '" | wc -l | 18:44 |
| nuba | 72 | 18:44 |
| nuba | find /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI -type f -name "*pm" | xargs grep '" "' | wc -l | 18:45 |
| nuba | 73 | 18:45 |
| nuba | lots of single spaces being quoted here and there | 18:45 |
| nuba | will this get replaced by q{ } etc as suggested by the perl best practices ? | 18:46 |
| nuba | and are we adopting perltidy too? | 18:47 |
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| WebGUI | hi | 20:36 |
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| WebGU1 | hi all | 20:47 |
| WebGU1 | again | 20:47 |
| nuba | hu synq | 20:47 |
| nuba | hi* | 20:47 |
| WebGU1 | hi | 20:47 |
| WebGU1 | how is business in brazil? | 20:47 |
| nuba | doing fine, thanks :) | 20:48 |
| WebGU1 | are you happy? | 20:48 |
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| nuba | sure | 20:49 |
| WebGU1 | hi doug | 20:49 |
| WebGU1 | JT around jet? | 20:49 |
| WebGU1 | what time is it there? | 20:49 |
| @preaction | it's about 1:00p, JT's out due to some medical issues | 20:58 |
| WebGU1 | oeh | 20:59 |
| WebGU1 | he is pregnant? | 20:59 |
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| nuba | huh | 21:07 |
| WebGU1 | huh | 21:09 |
| nuba | there are rumors he's gestating a new wre :) | 21:17 |
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| rjacobsen | i have updated webgui in the past and have had to change multiple stuff across the 20+ sites we are running webgui..... i would like to know what is the latest stable version of webgui is i can upgrade webgui to that has the least amount of bugs please | 22:00 |
| nuba | rjacobsen: latest stable was 7.3.22 | 22:02 |
| rjacobsen | ty very much sir | 22:03 |
| rjacobsen | ..... or mam | 22:03 |
| rjacobsen | whichever :) | 22:03 |
| nuba | "sir" would do :) | 22:04 |
| nuba | good luck | 22:04 |
| -!- preaction_ changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.4.1-beta 7.3.22-stable | WRE 0.7.2 ] .:. Come To The WUC http://www.plainblack.com/wuc .:. Feel free to ask questions on here - but make sure you stick around long enough for us to answer! :) | 22:10 | |
| rjacobsen | will i have to change the permissions on all the sites after i update? (that would be hell) | 22:14 |
| @preaction_ | which permissions? | 22:15 |
| @preaction_ | which versions? | 22:15 |
| rjacobsen | the set permissions for people who can edit things on the sites | 22:15 |
| @preaction_ | 6.99.0-latest is generally a smooth ride | 22:15 |
| @preaction_ | of course not | 22:15 |
| rjacobsen | like , you know, forums and events calendars and such | 22:15 |
| @preaction_ | if you're upgrading through 7.3.0, the events calendars are going to get replaced with Calendars | 22:16 |
| @preaction_ | read the gotchas | 22:16 |
| danny_mk | preaction: do you have the code for the chat Wobject? | 22:56 |
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| @preaction_ | danny_mk, i could've swore i sent it to you, but i'll send it again | 23:04 |
| danny_mk | no problem, do you have my email? | 23:06 |
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| @preaction | the one at yahoo? | 23:06 |
| danny_mk | you could also send it to my message box at plainblack | 23:06 |
| danny_mk | yes | 23:06 |
| @preaction | it's sent | 23:21 |
| danny_mk | cool, I will take a look at it tonight. I am just putting the finishing touches on this macro: http://www.webgui.org/user_contributions/user_contributions/macros/yuidatechooser#MglP0tYpUb5G7-zsTI-GAQ | 23:24 |
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| nuba | danny_mk: nice | 23:38 |
| danny_mk | I am affraid that YUI or YUI-EXT does not provide date validation | 23:40 |
| danny_mk | however I have a script that adds methods to the Date object which works great. Validation is working well. I am testing it right now. | 23:41 |
| danny_mk | The only problem is that the user will have to add one extra files in either uploads or extras to include the date validation library. | 23:41 |
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| danny_mk | Do you guys see that as a problem? | 23:42 |
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| nuba | not for me. im just packing a macro to contribute too, and it has stuff under extras too | 23:42 |
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| danny_mk | OK, it is done. With validation. Do you have time to test it? | 23:43 |
| nuba | in a few.. | 23:43 |
| danny_mk | Will let you know once I upload it. | 23:43 |
| nuba | let me know when you've uploaded it | 23:43 |
| nuba | ok | 23:43 |
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| danny_mk | OK nuba, I have updated the files. | 00:07 |
| nuba | danny_mk: i gotta split, bbiaw | 00:24 |
| nuba | then i'll look at your contribution | 00:24 |
| nuba | i have just posted a new macro too, CreativeCommons, check it out! | 00:25 |
| danny_mk | Cool, I will. | 00:25 |
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| nuba | tagclods will consider "this thing" as two separated tags, is that the intended behaviour? | 03:54 |
| nuba | one tag being "this | 03:54 |
| nuba | the other being thing" | 03:54 |
| nuba | perlbot, paste | 04:01 |
| perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. | 04:01 |
| nuba | pasted a nice string2list at http://erxz.com/pb/3945 | 04:03 |
| nuba | found at String::Escape | 04:04 |
| nuba | oops, i meant tagclouds | 04:05 |
| nuba | posted as a bug | 04:09 |
| nuba | preload.custom <- kickass feature! | 04:59 |
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| sanyock | Hi All | 05:34 |
| sanyock | Please let me know, why there is no SSL port definition in the config? General port is there: "webServerPort" : 80 | 05:38 |
| sanyock | I need use port different than 443 | 05:38 |
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| @preaction | sanyock, which config? | 07:03 |
| sanyock | preaction, I have a problem my ISP uses some cache software so that ports 80 and 443 work very bad for httpd | 08:25 |
| sanyock | so I have to change to 81 for http and say 444 for ssl | 08:26 |
| sanyock | unfortunately I cannot find where to configure this and it seems too dificult for me to change the source code of L_loginBox.t or related | 08:27 |
| sanyock | additional problem I have found that if visitor enters via SSL and then logges in, he is redirected to http (instead of keeping https) | 08:28 |
| @preaction | for that last bit you have to turn on Encrypt Logins (in the user tab of settings) | 08:29 |
| sanyock | it seems WebGUI does not keep previous state of the protocol and just returns to http after secure login | 08:29 |
| sanyock | I have had it | 08:29 |
| sanyock | the problem is that WebGUI changes back to not SSL instead of keeping SSL | 08:30 |
| sanyock | Actually I am thinking about turning off secure login, may then it will not try to switch back to http after login | 08:31 |
| sanyock | if user originally enter via ssl | 08:31 |
| @preaction | you may want to search the wiki or make a post on the forums about that, i don't think what you're describing should be happening | 08:32 |
| sanyock | It does, I tried to search forums on this topic | 08:32 |
| @preaction | yes, but since i can't help you (it's way too late and i need to sleep instead of pinning down this behavior), posting to the forums may be of more use to you | 08:33 |
| sanyock | ok, good night | 08:49 |
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| SynQ | morning :) | 10:33 |
| AMH_bob | Good morning! | 10:33 |
| Radix-europe | mornin | 10:42 |
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| +crythia1 | hrm. | 04:16 |
| @rizenisaway | hrrm. | 04:21 |
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| AMH_bob | Howdy! | 16:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | hi | 16:07 |
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| +crythia1 | an answer... in search of a question. | 16:19 |
| +crythia1 | found online: "Last week I attempted to use Occam's razor to settle an argument, but I ended up with an unsightly rash. | 16:19 |
| +crythia1 | Should I have instead used Occam's Easy-off Wax Strips or Occam's QuickRemover Gel with new fresh lilac scent? Has anyone tried these yet?" | 16:19 |
| +crythia1 | http://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?s=0f3121222d855a01ed7cbea63aee62b1&p=277807&postcount=1325 | 16:19 |
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| danny_mk | Preaction, you around? | 16:41 |
| danny_mk | I still have not gotten that email on the Wobject | 16:41 |
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| @rizen | danny_mk, what sized attachment can your email support? | 16:50 |
| danny_mk | I have yahoo and it seems that I have gotten pretty big files without a problem. I am not sure what yahoo limitations are, let me check! | 16:52 |
| @rizen | i know he's sent the email twice now | 16:52 |
| danny_mk | Hmmm... what is his email address. | 16:53 |
| @rizen | doug@plainblack.com | 16:53 |
| danny_mk | Maybe he just does not have my correct email address | 16:54 |
| danny_mk | it is danny_mk@yahoo.com | 16:54 |
| @rizen | i've asked him to upload it somewhere and send you a url | 16:57 |
| @rizen | mind you he's not yet awake | 16:57 |
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| danny_mk | it is OK, I just want to make sure someone works on it. I was looking at working on an OpenId Auth module | 17:00 |
| danny_mk | but I understand that is a RFE | 17:00 |
| danny_mk | I rather tackle the chat Wobject for now | 17:00 |
| danny_mk | but if not I will work on the OpenId module | 17:01 |
| @rizen | whereever you want to contribute you are welcome to do so | 17:01 |
| danny_mk | I need the chat Wobject | 17:01 |
| @rizen | we're certainly not trying to hold back the chat asset from you | 17:01 |
| @rizen | just technical difficulties | 17:01 |
| danny_mk | no problem, just want to make sure I don't duplicate work | 17:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | are you working on a chat wobject? | 17:01 |
| danny_mk | was... | 17:01 |
| @rizen | we've already written one | 17:02 |
| @rizen | and danny_mk has offered to enhance it | 17:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | cool | 17:02 |
| danny_mk | until I found out that other people had one written | 17:02 |
| @rizen | so that it can go into the core | 17:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | is it like the perlmonks chatter box? | 17:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | or can it actually connect to, say, msn | 17:02 |
| danny_mk | I have not seen the perlmonks one | 17:03 |
| @rizen | this isn't based upon any protocols | 17:03 |
| @rizen | it just uses standard http to allow realtimechat | 17:03 |
| @rizen | with thousands of users | 17:03 |
| @rizen | simultaneous | 17:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | so it's wg specific? | 17:04 |
| @rizen | yes | 17:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 17:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'll check it out when it's released | 17:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | sounds pretty cool | 17:05 |
| @rizen | we've been using it in production for a couple of months now | 17:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | If you want me to test it... | 17:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | I can try it out on the kornbeurs memebers site | 17:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | mebers* | 17:06 |
| @rizen | it works quite well for our needs, but danny_mk is going to introduce an ajax interface for smaller numbers of users, but with a fancier interface | 17:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | members* | 17:06 |
| @rizen | kornbeurs? | 17:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | www.koornbeurs.nl | 17:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | my 'student' club | 17:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | or what you call it | 17:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | you've been there once | 17:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | I manage the members only area of it | 17:08 |
| @rizen | cool | 17:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | The main site still runs on some really old homebrew php/html thingy my predecessor wrote | 17:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I haven't had time to convert it to webgui | 17:11 |
| @rizen | and you call yourself contributor of the year | 17:11 |
| Radix-europe | hehe | 17:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 17:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | you did | 17:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | I just wlaked away with the prize | 17:12 |
| Radix-europe | MrHairgrease has been enjoying the drinking side of koornbeurs a bit too much and can't type. | 17:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | if radix_europe doesn't watch out he'll be the one having a difficulty in typing | 17:13 |
| Radix-europe | hehe | 17:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | actually he's sitting right next to me | 17:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | so the only thing holding me back right now from engaging in physical violence is compassion | 17:14 |
| @rizen | so how is your webgui sabbatical going radix? | 17:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | and of course the risk of retalliation | 17:14 |
| Radix-europe | I've been enjoying the beer | 17:14 |
| Radix-europe | Almost done here tho.. gf arrives tomorrow and off on my tour of europe this weekend | 17:15 |
| @rizen | did you learn anything from MrHairgrease? | 17:16 |
| Radix-europe | Yeah, he's given me some tips on how to read/write sql using the webgui api - been working on a basic sync workflow that synchronises webgui with our own database | 17:17 |
| Radix-europe | I've also been introduced to many different belgian and german beers while I've been here too - definitely a highlight :) | 17:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | radix_europe has almost become Dutch =) | 17:20 |
| Radix-europe | lol | 17:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | lol | 17:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | | | 17:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | / \ | 17:20 |
| -!- rizen changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.4.2-beta / 7.3.22-stable | WRE 0.7.2 ] .:. Come To The WUC http://www.plainblack.com/wuc | 17:21 | |
| +crythia1 | /(Help, I'm drowning!) | 17:23 |
| +crythia1 | ~~~|o|~~ | 17:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | haha | 17:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | crythia1 wears no trunks | 17:24 |
| @rizen | so guys, quick opinion poll | 17:25 |
| Radix-europe | I don't like you | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | option b | 17:25 |
| @rizen | who do you think deserves to be in the running for contributor of the year this year? | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | was that quick or what | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | option b | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | i thin colin | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | think* | 17:26 |
| @rizen | i think kathy for putting up with colin | 17:26 |
| @rizen | =) | 17:26 |
| Radix-europe | heh | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | heh | 17:26 |
| Radix-europe | Colin gets my vote too | 17:26 |
| +crythia1 | I've contributed by.. um.. not being so much of a jerk :) | 17:26 |
| @rizen | you're not a jerk | 17:26 |
| +crythia1 | or annoyance.. | 17:27 |
| +crythia1 | hee | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | iphoneguy | 17:27 |
| @rizen | i'm a jerk | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | he created a more... | 17:27 |
| @rizen | who's been the most active helping people on the boards and updating wiki's and such? | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | tight community | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | everybody hated him | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | so he was good for the group feeling | 17:27 |
| @rizen | you're right, i think he should get the vote | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | dunno | 17:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | i don't read the boards that often | 17:28 |
| @rizen | me either | 17:28 |
| @rizen | i guess i'll have to run a report | 17:28 |
| +crythia1 | Actually, I haven't contributed hardly at all. but then, the questions... I can't answer anymore. | 17:29 |
| @rizen | why can't you answer them anymore cry? | 17:29 |
| +crythia1 | Well, they aren't so many newbie q's anymore, ... actually, not so many q's at all, really. | 17:30 |
| +crythia1 | one or two people having issues, but upgraders ... not so much. | 17:30 |
| Radix-europe | I think the Wiki has helped with a lot of them | 17:31 |
| +crythia1 | agree. | 17:31 |
| @rizen | well that's good then | 17:31 |
| @rizen | so maybe wiki should be contributor of the year | 17:31 |
| @rizen | =) | 17:31 |
| +crythia1 | I keep updating one entry in my faq... | 17:32 |
| @rizen | which is? | 17:32 |
| +crythia1 | I had a recent contributor. | 17:32 |
| +crythia1 | the entry: What is the latest version of WebGUI. | 17:32 |
| @rizen | hehe | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | heh | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe a wild idea | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | but | 17:32 |
| +crythia1 | But the point is, I keep links to both stable and beta. | 17:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | wouldn't it be a good idea to put your faq in the wiki? | 17:33 |
| +crythia1 | it's too old | 17:33 |
| +crythia1 | I mean, probably 10% is applicable any more. | 17:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | then put 10% in the wiki | 17:33 |
| Radix-europe | crythia1: if there is anything in you faq that is still applicable, it should be added to the wiki | 17:33 |
| +crythia1 | almost all of it was 6.2 | 17:33 |
| Radix-europe | So why do you bother updating it then? | 17:34 |
| Radix-europe | just redirect everyone to the wiki instead :) | 17:34 |
| +crythia1 | http://www.gwy2.org/fomfiles/cache/52.html | 17:34 |
| +crythia1 | probably should redirect to the wiki | 17:35 |
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| elnino | good morning. Quick question. | 18:19 |
| elnino | I upgraded to 7.3.22 and nobody is getting any notifications anymore. Is there a pareticular group they need to be a part of? | 18:20 |
| elnino | approval notification - type notifications. Not subscriptions. | 18:21 |
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| @rizen | did you restart spectre after the upgrade? | 18:29 |
| @rizen | cuz you need to do that | 18:29 |
| elnino | yep , but I can do it again, anything else to look at? | 18:31 |
| @rizen | run the spectre tests to make sure it's still able to connect | 18:33 |
| @rizen | and look in the mailQueue table to see if anything is waiting to be sent | 18:33 |
| @rizen | other than that, you'll need to contact plainblack support | 18:33 |
| elnino | ok. thanks. I'll logoff here and restart spectre. bye | 18:35 |
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| elnino | good morning. I'm still having problems with the approval notifications. I did some digging around. | 19:08 |
| elnino | I restarted spectre without errors. | 19:08 |
| elnino | I looked at running workflows and there are 11 listed | 19:08 |
| elnino | all of which are 'error". If I click on run, the response is "waiting" | 19:08 |
| elnino | If I do a spectre --debug. the message I get for all the waiting work flows is that it's "Was told to wait on EEIuxl-nLhtwJS7hcfAw0g because we're still waiting on some external event." | 19:09 |
| elnino | I did a select * on mailQueue and there iisn't anything in the table. | 19:09 |
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| elnino | If I do a spectre --status, the workflows are listed as "waiting". | 19:10 |
| elnino | So what is it waiting for? - they are all pending approvals. So are they waiting for the CM to approve them? | 19:11 |
| elnino | under my webgui settigns, the default version tag workflow is "commit with approveal. | 19:11 |
| elnino | To recap, I'm not receiving any notifications related to the approval system. | 19:12 |
| elnino | i'm running 7.3.22, and it was workgin before the upgrade from 7.2.1 | 19:15 |
| elnino | I couldnt find a specific log for spectre. is it the same as webguis? | 19:25 |
| @Haarg | yes | 19:29 |
| elnino | Hi! is there a way to find out what external event my pending workflows are waiting on? | 19:32 |
| @Haarg | what kind of workflows are they? | 19:34 |
| elnino | approval ones | 19:34 |
| @Haarg | so they are probably waiting on approval right? | 19:36 |
| @Haarg | there should be messages about that in the inbox | 19:36 |
| elnino | yep there are. so that's what they are waiting for? So i guess that is a separate issue thatI'm trying to solve. | 19:37 |
| elnino | I never recived emails telling me that there were approval to make.and there is nothing in the queue. | 19:38 |
| elnino | Im trying to figure out why emails were never sent. | 19:40 |
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| elnino | emails to th users, as opposed to webguis inbox system | 19:41 |
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| sstanvir | hello | 05:22 |
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| diakopter | rizen: you around? | 05:38 |
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| @rizen | sure | 05:40 |
| SDuensin | Evening, rizen | 05:42 |
| @rizen | howdy | 05:42 |
| SDuensin | Hmm. Spector is ignoring me. How rude! | 05:43 |
| @rizen | spectre is mean that way sometimes | 05:44 |
| diakopter | rizen: gj getting Config::JSON to pass all-green on cpantesters | 05:45 |
| @rizen | thanks | 05:45 |
| @rizen | apparently i'll be putting out a new release of it soon | 05:45 |
| SDuensin | I don't see any errors anywhere, the spector.pl --test passes, but my version tag sits in "pending". :-( | 05:45 |
| @rizen | Haarg has said he wants to update my tests so they aren't required prereqs | 05:46 |
| diakopter | yeah | 05:46 |
| @rizen | do you actually use config::json in something? | 05:47 |
| diakopter | yeah, WebGUI :P | 05:47 |
| diakopter | but... | 05:48 |
| diakopter | sec | 05:48 |
| diakopter | root@debian:/data/WebGUI/sbin [357] # which_pm Config::JSON | 05:49 |
| diakopter | Config::JSON '1.0.3' /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Config/JSON.pm | 05:49 |
| diakopter | the version number is not supposed to have quotes. | 05:49 |
| diakopter | root@debian:/data/WebGUI/sbin [359] # cpan Config::JSON <snip /> | 05:50 |
| diakopter | I see you fixed that in 1.1.0 | 05:50 |
| diakopter | so..... never mind | 05:51 |
| SDuensin | This could be bad: ADMIN: [Error] Couldn't fetch Spectre configuration data for new.blindsunlimitedonline.com.conf | 05:51 |
| @rizen | technically webgui doesn't use config json yet | 05:53 |
| @rizen | it won't until 7.4.3 | 05:53 |
| diakopter | oh | 05:53 |
| @rizen | cuz of some bugs in config json i couldn't do the conversion | 05:53 |
| diakopter | well, I should've gone with my instinctive first answer then, to your question: testEnvironment.pl | 05:54 |
| SDuensin | I'm guessing I have a permissions issue somewhere? | 05:54 |
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| @rizen | probably not | 05:56 |
| @rizen | more likely you have a corruption issue somewhere | 05:56 |
| SDuensin | It only gives me that error on a couple sites. | 05:56 |
| SDuensin | Database, I assume? | 05:56 |
| @rizen | do a curl http://www.example.com/?op=getSpectreConfig | 05:56 |
| @rizen | i think that's the url | 05:56 |
| @rizen | you may have to look up the name of the operation function | 05:56 |
| @rizen | see what data you get back | 05:57 |
| @rizen | or what error | 05:57 |
| SDuensin | It gave me the home page. | 05:57 |
| @rizen | that's bad | 05:58 |
| @rizen | look in your log | 05:58 |
| @rizen | there will be an error | 05:58 |
| SDuensin | attempted to execute an invalid operation: getSpectreConfig | 05:58 |
| @rizen | like i said look up the name of the function | 05:59 |
| @rizen | in Spectre.pm | 05:59 |
| SDuensin | Root cause: Can't call method "get" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Spectre.pm line 53. | 05:59 |
| SDuensin | That's more helpful. | 05:59 |
| @rizen | Operation/Spectre.pm | 05:59 |
| @rizen | look in your WorkflowInstance table | 06:00 |
| @rizen | i bet you have some corruption there | 06:00 |
| SDuensin | So how do I fix it? | 06:01 |
| SDuensin | Corruption disturbs me greatly. | 06:01 |
| @rizen | delete the workflow instances that have no workflowId | 06:02 |
| @rizen | i found this on one other site a couple of weeks ago but i couldn't figure out what causes it | 06:02 |
| @rizen | it doesn't seem to happen on bigger sites like plainblack.com | 06:02 |
| @rizen | only on this one small site of mine | 06:02 |
| SDuensin | It has an instanceId and workflowId. | 06:04 |
| SDuensin | There are a few NULL values. | 06:04 |
| @rizen | oh, well then maybe this is something different | 06:04 |
| @rizen | the thing i saw didn't have a workflowId | 06:05 |
| @rizen | i guess you'll have to find out what is being called on line 53 | 06:05 |
| @rizen | and why you can't call get on it | 06:05 |
| SDuensin | Ah! I see a blank one. | 06:06 |
| SDuensin | Trying to do this with the mysql command line client - output is hard to read! | 06:06 |
| SDuensin | Excellent. That did it. Thanks! | 06:08 |
| SDuensin | Somehow, you need to get your brain into the wiki. | 06:08 |
| SDuensin | Man, a lot of my sites have this problem. | 06:08 |
| @rizen | maybe you can track down a common thread | 06:09 |
| @rizen | like i said i've only seen it oncce | 06:09 |
| @rizen | and it's hard to fix it on one piece of data | 06:09 |
| SDuensin | I'd love to. | 06:09 |
| SDuensin | I know how that is. Worst kind of bugs to find. | 06:09 |
| vayde | rizen, we still on for a brew on Sunday? | 06:14 |
| @rizen | sure | 06:15 |
| @rizen | just give me a call | 06:15 |
| @rizen | you have my new cell number? | 06:15 |
| @rizen | i think i emailed it to you | 06:15 |
| vayde | yep | 06:15 |
| vayde | I'll call you when I'm done teaching | 06:15 |
| vayde | I'll also get to show off my new ride... BMW R1100RT | 06:16 |
| SDuensin | Thanks again, rizen | 06:19 |
| @rizen | np | 06:19 |
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| l-e-o-n | hi from where i can change the domain of a website ? for example it was on example.com and i want it to temporary.example.com ? | 11:36 |
| l-e-o-n | no one ? | 11:45 |
| l-e-o-n | when trying to restart webgui i'm getting this: MySQL manager or server PID file could not be found! [FAILED] but then no errors to start MySQL | 12:09 |
| sstanvir | u hv to change the apache configuration file to change the domain name | 12:13 |
| l-e-o-n | i'm using wre... | 12:14 |
| sstanvir | well.... there should be httpd.conf | 12:15 |
| sstanvir | probably at this path: /usr/local/apache2/conf/httpd.conf | 12:15 |
| sstanvir | or somewhere else depending on ur setting | 12:15 |
| l-e-o-n | apache in wre is located in /data/wre/prereqs/apache | 12:17 |
| l-e-o-n | there is nothing in the httpd.conf of apache | 12:17 |
| sstanvir | is there any conf directory ? | 12:17 |
| l-e-o-n | no virtual hosts i mean | 12:17 |
| sstanvir | i c | 12:17 |
| l-e-o-n | i guess it is in /data/wre/etc/www.domain.com.modproxy | 12:18 |
| l-e-o-n | i'm changing the domain from there but i'm getting Bad Gateway error | 12:18 |
| sstanvir | how about the webgui configuration file ? | 12:19 |
| sstanvir | it should be somewhere like /data/WebGUI/etc/ | 12:20 |
| sstanvir | actually i didnt use wre.. i installed from source.. so there are differences | 12:20 |
| sstanvir | but in case of apache httpd.conf there is one line: PerlSetVar WebguiConfig www.example.com.conf | 12:21 |
| sstanvir | it indicates the www.example.conf at /data/WebGUI/etc/ | 12:21 |
| l-e-o-n | yeah changed that too | 12:22 |
| l-e-o-n | still Bad Gateway | 12:22 |
| sstanvir | did u change the "sitename" in the configuration file | 12:24 |
| sstanvir | and there is one setting for "gateway" too | 12:24 |
| l-e-o-n | gateway is / | 12:26 |
| l-e-o-n | yes i changed the sitename | 12:26 |
| sstanvir | ok | 12:27 |
| sstanvir | how about spectre ? | 12:27 |
| sstanvir | spectre is running normally? | 12:27 |
| l-e-o-n | yes | 12:27 |
| l-e-o-n | no errors | 12:27 |
| sstanvir | hmm | 12:27 |
| sstanvir | after the changes done did u restart apache | 12:27 |
| sstanvir | ? | 12:27 |
| l-e-o-n | yep | 12:28 |
| sstanvir | ok | 12:29 |
| sstanvir | is the modperl running | 12:29 |
| sstanvir | check in the process | 12:29 |
| l-e-o-n | yes | 12:29 |
| l-e-o-n | its running | 12:29 |
| sstanvir | there could be another thing that I can think so far | 12:30 |
| sstanvir | modproxy cannot resolve the hostname in order to get to the modperl site | 12:30 |
| sstanvir | you have to check DNS then | 12:31 |
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| l-e-o-n | whats this error ? MySQL manager or server PID file could not be found! | 13:10 |
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| l-e-o-n | DBI connect('mysql;host=localhost;port=3306','root',...) failed: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/data/wre/prereqs/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) at ./setup | 14:14 |
| l-e-o-n | any help ? | 14:14 |
| l-e-o-n | no one can help me ? desperate :( | 15:04 |
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| danny_mk | Good morning everyone. Just as an unoficial announcement I have started developing an OpenId Auth module. | 16:32 |
| Radix-europe | Cool | 16:33 |
| danny_mk | I worked on it a lot yesterday and last night | 16:33 |
| danny_mk | understanding the flow of the Auth api has been a bit challenging but I am getting there :-) | 16:35 |
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| nuba | danny_mk: cool | 16:42 |
| danny_mk | Yup, I decided on the Auth modules since I could not get my hands on the chat one. I will work on that one after I get the Auth module done. | 16:43 |
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| nuba | question re: licensing.. | 17:07 |
| nuba | i posted a patch for this but http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/tagcloud-keywords_pm | 17:07 |
| nuba | with a string2list sub based on String::Escape's string2list | 17:07 |
| nuba | how's that, license-wise ? | 17:07 |
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| danny_mk | Hmmm... which is the best way to retrieve parameters submited with a GET method? | 22:39 |
| @preaction | WebGUI::Session::Form | 22:39 |
| danny_mk | is it $self->session->form->process(...) or $self->session->request->param(...) | 22:39 |
| @rizen | $session->form->process("fieldName","fieldType"); | 22:40 |
| @preaction | form->process (or form->get which is a synonym) | 22:40 |
| danny_mk | hmmm... darn value does not show up. I must have an error in my code | 22:40 |
| danny_mk | You know what, I can see the value in the URL, however I log some debug info and when I view the log the values are empty | 22:41 |
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| danny_mk | Hmmm... now I am starting to wonder if cache has something to do with this problem | 22:47 |
| @preaction | danny_mk, are you using Apache2::Reload for your development? or are you restarting apache? | 22:48 |
| danny_mk | restarting apache every time | 22:49 |
| @preaction | if you want to make sure it isn't the cache, rm -rf /tmp/WebGUICache | 22:49 |
| danny_mk | let me try that | 22:49 |
| danny_mk | Darnit, darnit, darnit!!! this freaking value won't show up at all. Arggghhhh.... | 22:52 |
| danny_mk | My jedi powers are not fully charged, I can feel the dark side taking over... | 22:53 |
| danny_mk | I bet it is not even webgui, I think it has more to do with the OpenId api and the redirect | 22:54 |
| nuba | danny_mk: you may want to use firefox's livehttpheaders extension | 22:56 |
| nuba | if you're debugging http headers | 22:56 |
| nuba | redirects and such | 22:56 |
| danny_mk | Hmmm.... I did not even think of that, there is something else I could use to monitor the trafic. | 22:58 |
| danny_mk | Oh well, that is why you are here. To point me in the right direction :-) | 22:58 |
| sno | I have some questions about packages. | 23:15 |
| sno | Anyone here with knowledge? | 23:15 |
| sno | :) | 23:15 |
| @preaction | perlbot ask | 23:15 |
| perlbot | Ask forth your question to the all-knowing channel and we shall bestow upon you the answer of correctitude. | 23:15 |
| sno | Importing a package. Does it import to the current Asset list, or to the full path of the original? | 23:16 |
| @preaction | depends on if the package already exists. if it doesn't exist, it will be imported as a child of the current asset, but the URLs will remain the same | 23:17 |
| sno | So if I package a snippet, and I'm sitting on the root node, it will be placed in the root node (if new and unque)? | 23:18 |
| @preaction | yes | 23:18 |
| @preaction | no, if you import a package containing a snippet | 23:18 |
| @preaction | when you create a package, the assets just stay where they are | 23:18 |
| sno | What I think I understand you are saying is that if I create a package deep in a tree like /root/import node/myasset/myassetchild where assetchild is the package, then move it to another WebGUI server and import at /root, the package is installed at /root. | 23:20 |
| @preaction | right | 23:22 |
| sno | Sigh | 23:22 |
| @preaction | later imports of the same package will be put in the same place as the existing package | 23:22 |
| sno | MIght I suggest that there be an import_to feature added? | 23:24 |
| danny_mk | rfe | 23:24 |
| sno | ? | 23:24 |
| @preaction | but then the package would potentially have to create all the assets above it in the lineage, it's impossible to know what those assets are supposed to be | 23:25 |
| sno | But in the case of a dev server to production server, that stuff better be there already. | 23:25 |
| @preaction | but we can't just add a feature for one case, we need to think about every single case | 23:26 |
| @preaction | and if it's a dev-to-production move, why can't you move it yourself? | 23:26 |
| sno | I may not have those permissions. | 23:26 |
| @preaction | then why are you allowed to import that package? | 23:27 |
| sno | I'm talking like I'm writing instructions for others to use. | 23:27 |
| sno | I'm allowed to create the export. | 23:27 |
| @preaction | so they're allowed to edit the stuff on dev, but not on production? | 23:28 |
| sno | Essentially true, but by policy, not by access restrictions. | 23:28 |
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| sno | I was hoping that an export on a known environment would have the ability to find it's own fully qualified destination. | 23:29 |
| @rizen | you solve the problem by you as the administrator | 23:29 |
| @rizen | importing the package the first time | 23:29 |
| @rizen | that way all subsequent releases will have it | 23:29 |
| sno | I am not the administrator. | 23:30 |
| @rizen | and put it in the same place every time | 23:30 |
| @rizen | "you as the administrator" doesn't mean you snpo | 23:30 |
| @rizen | sno | 23:30 |
| @rizen | it means whoever the hell is the admin | 23:30 |
| sno | I understand. I'm having to write the instructions the admin will use. | 23:31 |
| sno | Importing four packages will require documenting all the navigation through the system the admin needs to do for each onel. | 23:31 |
| +crythias | hm.. I have an api change/suggestion. | 23:32 |
| +crythias | pie in the sky, thing. | 23:32 |
| +crythias | the extensible asset type table. | 23:33 |
| +crythias | something like all assets of every type share one table. | 23:33 |
| * crythias ducks. | 23:33 | |
| @preaction | i've suggested as much before, but if users are allowed to edit those tables, they can choose column names that we may want in the future | 23:33 |
| sno | Is there a way to remove a poorly installed package if it is imported into the wrong place? | 23:34 |
| @rizen | the same way you remove any other asset | 23:35 |
| @rizen | delete it | 23:35 |
| @rizen | purge it | 23:35 |
| +crythias | well, preaction, I could suggest a naming scheme for columns such that all pb columns are pb_ ... | 23:35 |
| @rizen | crythias, you're not a programmer and as such shouldn't be suggesting implementation details | 23:35 |
| @rizen | preaction and crythias about three years ago i put forth such an idea on the dev mailing list before i developed assets and everyone threw a hissy | 23:36 |
| @rizen | and i also brought up the idea again on either irc or the dev mailing list whereby instead of using the normal tables to look up an asset, we make the search indexer better and use the search engine to look up an asset | 23:37 |
| danny_mk | rizen: Can you explain what happens when the uri contains "?op=auth&method=login" I am reading through the code and it seems it will take me a while longer | 23:44 |
| danny_mk | do you think you can clear that up a bit faster? | 23:44 |
| danny_mk | I thought Auth was called and then the appropriate Auth/Module for that particular user | 23:44 |
| @rizen | it calls lib/WebGUI/Operation/Auth.pm sub www_auth() | 23:44 |
| @rizen | which instanciates the appropriate auth module | 23:45 |
| @rizen | which then runs the login() method on that module | 23:45 |
| danny_mk | is there somoething parsing the parameters before it hits the "appropriate auth module"? | 23:45 |
| @rizen | you mean parameters other than op and method? | 23:47 |
| danny_mk | if I add a variable to the url such as "?op=auth&method=login&test=me" then I try to get the value $self->session->form->process("test") in lib/Webgui/Auth/mymodule->login | 23:48 |
| danny_mk | yes | 23:48 |
| @rizen | nope | 23:48 |
| @rizen | you still have access to those params | 23:48 |
| @rizen | but don't use & | 23:48 |
| @rizen | use ; | 23:48 |
| danny_mk | let me try that, hold on | 23:48 |
| @rizen | i guess it should still work with & | 23:48 |
| @rizen | but ; is the standard in webgui | 23:48 |
| @rizen | and in HTML | 23:48 |
| danny_mk | I am missing something here. The url looks like: http://myhost.com/?op=auth;method=login;checkOpenId=1 In Auth/OpenId.pm->login I have $self->session->form->process("checkOpenId") | 23:55 |
| danny_mk | I print the value to the error log with $self->session->errorHandler->warn("The value of OpenId is: $checkOpenId") | 23:56 |
| danny_mk | sorry I forgot to put my $checkOpenId = $self->session->form->process("checkOpenId") but I think you get the idea. I look at the log and the value is empty | 23:57 |
| @preaction | danny_mk, where's the username? it needs a username in order to get the right auth module. you'd need to have a user register their open ID | 23:57 |
| @preaction | the users table has the username and the authMethod, it looks up which authMethod to use from the username. i believe that's all handled by WebGUI::Operation::Auth | 23:58 |
| danny_mk | I put in a username that is how the value gets logged using warn | 23:58 |
| danny_mk | It does get to the OpenId module | 23:58 |
| danny_mk | it even sends me to the openid website | 23:59 |
| --- Day changed Sat Aug 11 2007 | ||
| danny_mk | I used liveHttpHeaders to look at the traffic and everything looks right | 00:00 |
| @preaction | pastebin your module? | 00:00 |
| danny_mk | where do I paste it? here? | 00:01 |
| @preaction | perlbot pastebin | 00:01 |
| perlbot | (see paste) | 00:01 |
| @preaction | perlbot paste | 00:01 |
| perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. | 00:01 |
| danny_mk | http://sial.org/pbot/26792 | 00:04 |
| danny_mk | done | 00:04 |
| danny_mk | remember, it is a test case | 00:04 |
| @rizen | what is: my $checkedOpenId = CGI::param("checkOpenId"); | 00:05 |
| danny_mk | I have tried almost everything to get it to see the parameters, CGI was my current test. | 00:06 |
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| dionak | hi all. i've been looking into tests today and noticed there might be a need for a test for SQLForm. I wrote a test based on the Asset test. I'm not an 'official developer' so what would be the best way to submit the test for review? | 00:08 |
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| @rizen | drop me an email with your test | 00:12 |
| @rizen | i'll review it | 00:12 |
| @rizen | and if i think it's good enough i'll grant you commit access | 00:12 |
| @rizen | jt at plainblack dot com | 00:12 |
| dionak | ah, ok. thanks. | 00:13 |
| @rizen | i agree that SQL Form needs a lot of automated tests | 00:13 |
| dionak | Cool. This should be a start but is by no means extensive. I'll work a little more on it and send it on Monday. | 00:13 |
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| @preaction | danny_mk, the code looks fine. nothing in the error logs or otherwise? | 00:16 |
| @preaction | try putting checkOpenId=1 elsewhere in the URL, i've had instances where the last URL name=value pair didn't get read for whatever reason. you may also want to beware of case sensitivity | 00:17 |
| danny_mk | only what I write to them and then I get only what I write to them and then I get | 00:17 |
| danny_mk | 2007/08/10 16:52:50 - WARN - develop.conf - WebGUI::Session::ErrorHandler::warn[430] - Cool[] | 00:17 |
| danny_mk | 2007/08/10 16:52:52 - WARN - develop.conf - WebGUI::Session::ErrorHandler::warn[430] - Visitor (1) connecting from 127.0.0.1 attempted to login to account with invalid information. | 00:18 |
| danny_mk | as you can see it hits the OpenId::login function | 00:19 |
| danny_mk | the weird thing is that everything within the form on first post works great. It seems to be during the redirect that items in the uri are lost | 00:20 |
| @preaction | danny_mk, here's a subroutine that can be used in a .t file that will get a request from an asset. if you modify it to also handle operations (perhaps instead of $asset it gets a subref), you can use the Perl debugger to step through your code and find out what the issue is) | 00:26 |
| @preaction | http://pastebin.ca/652879 | 00:26 |
| @preaction | you'll have to write your own test, of course, but that'd be a good idea anyway | 00:26 |
| @preaction | or even just a driver for the sub so you can use the debugger | 00:26 |
| danny_mk | sounds good. I definitely want to get this issue solved. | 00:26 |
| danny_mk | I can see how openId would benefit some of my other projects | 00:27 |
| @preaction | it's a great SSO solution imho | 00:27 |
| @preaction | will your module also be an OpenID provider? | 00:28 |
| @preaction | i suppose that would require pluggable operations, or an "OpenID Provider" asset | 00:28 |
| danny_mk | that is always a thought but I have to get the Consumer part done first. At this point that is more important. | 00:29 |
| @preaction | of course | 00:29 |
| danny_mk | by the way, case sensitivity has been an issue so many times I definitely look at that first :-) | 00:31 |
| danny_mk | Thank you for your help. I have to be here tomorrow again. I really need another job where I can work on this stuff full time :-) | 00:33 |
| danny_mk | later... | 00:34 |
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| nuba | ;0 | 13:07 |
| nuba | oops | 13:07 |
| SynQ | hello world | 15:04 |
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| danny_mk | Good morning | 16:47 |
| danny_mk | I figured out what the problem was last night with the OpenId module | 16:47 |
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| danny_mk | Hmmmm.... I am curious about something. | 17:10 |
| danny_mk | Would'nt it be better/faster not to make a trip to the DB if the $authMethod for the user is already set? | 17:11 |
| SynQ | good afternoon even :) | 17:14 |
| danny_mk | right! sorry, I can't forget obout the international community :-) | 17:15 |
| SynQ | hehe | 17:24 |
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| SynQ | hey mister hairgrease | 18:55 |
| SynQ | how goes you? | 18:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | it goes it's gang | 18:56 |
| danny_mk | good so far | 18:56 |
| danny_mk | making good progress on the OpenId Auth module | 18:56 |
| SynQ | openid? | 18:56 |
| danny_mk | Yup. | 18:57 |
| SynQ | what is that? | 18:57 |
| danny_mk | http://www.openid.org/ | 18:57 |
| SynQ | 33 days old i see | 18:59 |
| SynQ | who owns openid? | 19:00 |
| danny_mk | No, that website may be 33 days old but the idea has been around for quite a while | 19:00 |
| danny_mk | This site may be better: http://openid.net/ | 19:01 |
| SynQ | ah | 19:01 |
| SynQ | it is owned by an american foundation | 19:01 |
| SynQ | oh it isn't | 19:02 |
| SynQ | it is a Dutch foundation | 19:02 |
| SynQ | hm http://openid.net/wiki/index.php/OpenID_Foundation_Europe | 19:03 |
| SynQ | that is dutch at least | 19:03 |
| SynQ | I'm checking out if I can install WebGUI to a KVM virtual machine, but the kvm wiki is offline :( | 19:23 |
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| SynQ | hi JT! | 19:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | koen | 19:31 |
| SynQ | oh, I mean, bye JT! | 19:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | jt just left the room | 19:31 |
| SynQ | :) | 19:31 |
| SynQ | I say hello and you say goodbye | 19:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | sound like a 60s song | 19:31 |
| SynQ | it is | 19:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | damn hippie | 19:32 |
| SynQ | peace man | 19:34 |
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| ifireball | hello | 20:43 |
| ifireball | I'm trying to create a new navigation template | 20:44 |
| ifireball | I was wondering if there is somewhere I can see what all the <tmpl_var...>s mean | 20:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | it is in the help | 20:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | Admin Console > Help > Assets >Navigation | 20:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | in the menu on the right choose Navigation template | 20:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | something like that | 20:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | it'll list all allowed tmpl_vars | 20:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | and what they're good for | 20:46 |
| ifireball | cool. thanks! | 20:48 |
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| danny_mk | quick question if any of the developers are around. | 22:07 |
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| danny_mk | Can I trigger an WebGUI::Operation::Auth::www_auth from a macro for a succesful login? | 22:13 |
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| SynQ | hi | 12:04 |
| SynQ | could I have the mediawiki alike <pre></pre> style in the webgui.org user wiki for quoting system commands | 12:04 |
| SynQ | please | 12:04 |
| SynQ | numbered lists just don't seem as clear to me | 12:04 |
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| danny_mk | Any of the developers around? | 17:55 |
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| YossiN | hi all. I tried the demo but didn't find how to create a menu. can any1 guide me where is it hiding? | 19:34 |
| YossiN | hello? | 19:36 |
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| YossiN | hi all. I tried the demo but didn't find how to create a menu. can any1 guide me where is it hiding? | 19:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | You should use the Navigation asset | 19:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's in the Content part of the admin menu | 19:44 |
| YossiN | navigation asset... thanks, will look into it | 19:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 19:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | good luck | 19:44 |
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| danny_mk | If anyone is around. Do you know how to set a param in $self->session->form->param | 00:18 |
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| AMH_bob | Greeting to all! | 15:46 |
| SDuensin | Ugh. | 15:47 |
| SDuensin | Whee. | 15:47 |
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| wgGuest73 | Hi folks. I have a problem with a mail form that works for a while and then stops sending email. You can see in the data list that new entries has been done, but no email was sent... how do I debug that? | 16:17 |
| @preaction | did you check the mailQueue table? | 16:18 |
| @preaction | is spectre running? | 16:18 |
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| wgGuest79 | yes, spectre is running, and the mailq is empty... | 16:20 |
| wgGuest79 | can I connect to this irc with an irc-program instead of java? | 16:21 |
| @preaction | yes, it's just freenode | 16:21 |
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| fiddur | Ah thanks... | 16:22 |
| fiddur | so, does spectre have any log of its own? | 16:22 |
| @preaction | no, it shares the webgui.log | 16:22 |
| @preaction | did you check the server's mail log? | 16:23 |
| * SDuensin is having mail related problems, too. | 16:23 | |
| SDuensin | Nothing in my logs. :-/ | 16:24 |
| fiddur | preaction: The mail log shows nothing more than start and end of queue runs (exim4) | 16:24 |
| fiddur | could increase log level perhaps... | 16:24 |
| @preaction | perhaps to just see that it makes it to exim | 16:25 |
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| fiddur | it doesn't seem to get to exim, no... | 16:28 |
| fiddur | I see the post in the domains access_log... | 16:29 |
| @preaction | disable the Send Queued Mail Messages scheduled task | 16:31 |
| fiddur | hmm, I see, for another domain, a spectre-error of some sort: 2007/08/13 15:29:42 - ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1013] - WORKFLOW: Something bad happened on the return of 3bmsdCHHv376WPouPnvu1Q. | 16:31 |
| @preaction | and then post again and see if it makes it to the mailQueue | 16:31 |
| fiddur | Where do I disable Send Queued Mail Messages? Note, I'm not the one who set up this server, I'm standing in for a guy on vacation... | 16:33 |
| fiddur | ah, I found it... | 16:36 |
| fiddur | the disable-setting, that is | 16:37 |
| fiddur | No, it still doesn't maike it to the mail queue. Could the error from the other domain disturb spectres running on this domain I'm working on? | 16:39 |
| @preaction | you could try stopping spectre entirely and then seeing if it goes into the mailQueue | 16:44 |
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| fiddur | preaction: No, still nothing in the queue... | 17:07 |
| fiddur | I got some other problem it seems... in the log, it complains about not being able to delete an undefined value: WebGUI::Operation::Workflow::www_runWorkflow. Root caus | 17:07 |
| fiddur | e: Can't call method "delete" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/File.pm line 272. | 17:07 |
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| fiddur | It seems adding a sanity-check on File.pm line 272 made mails get to the queue; i.e. adding if( WebGUI::Storage->get($self->session,$storageId) ) | 17:41 |
| fiddur | But that probably means my db is corrupt in some way :/ | 17:42 |
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| danny_mk | Hmmm... I think I just got the WebGUI::Auth::OpenId module working right! | 21:49 |
| @rizen | sweet | 21:51 |
| danny_mk | Darnit, I really think I got it. It works pretty good :-) | 21:52 |
| danny_mk | Let me work on the Internationalization part and I will upload a copy in a couple minutes | 21:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | hey danny_mk | 22:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | i was wondering | 22:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | why did you use lwpx::paranoidUserAgent | 22:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | or whatever it's called | 22:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | good job btw | 22:15 |
| danny_mk | because that is what was available in the example and I just wanted to get it done fast. | 22:28 |
| danny_mk | I will look into that stuff later. | 22:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 22:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | just read a bit about it | 22:28 |
| danny_mk | btw. I would like to include a provider bann list under the admin tools | 22:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=602005 | 22:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 22:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | you can do that | 22:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | use the settingForm method | 22:29 |
| danny_mk | sure, I have to get this working perfectly first | 22:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | something like that | 22:29 |
| danny_mk | If you would like to see the one that is working perfectly without i18n then check it out here: http://sial.org/pbot/26840 | 22:33 |
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| danny_mk | I did not notice a versioning document on the PlainBlack website. Did I miss it? | 23:43 |
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| @rizen | a versioning document? | 23:48 |
| @rizen | you mean how to access subversion? | 23:49 |
| danny_mk | no, I mean I want to put a version number on the OpenId module | 23:49 |
| danny_mk | I started with version 0.0.0.1 | 23:49 |
| @rizen | oh | 23:50 |
| @rizen | goal / feature/ fix | 23:50 |
| danny_mk | 3 numbers? | 23:50 |
| @rizen | goal = when the api changes | 23:50 |
| @rizen | yeah | 23:50 |
| @rizen | feature - added to the API but didn't change it | 23:50 |
| @rizen | in a way that would break it | 23:50 |
| @rizen | fix - no new features, just bug fixes | 23:50 |
| @rizen | a.b.c | 23:51 |
| danny_mk | ok, I guess this version should now be 1.0.1 | 23:51 |
| @rizen | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/version-numbers | 23:51 |
| danny_mk | OK | 23:51 |
| danny_mk | How do you guys want to see the list of banned providers implemented? Single table, etc... | 23:52 |
| @rizen | what is a banned provider? | 23:52 |
| danny_mk | in case you do not want to accept accounts from myopenid.com, myhackedwebsite.com, etc... | 23:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | although i don't know much about openid | 23:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | if it's just a list of banned providers | 23:54 |
| @rizen | is it just a list of URLs? | 23:54 |
| @rizen | or is there more to it? | 23:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'd put em in a table called AuthOpenIdBannedProviders | 23:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | just one column | 23:54 |
| @rizen | i wouldn't even go that far if it's a list of urls | 23:54 |
| @rizen | i'd just create a new field in settings | 23:54 |
| @rizen | make it a text box | 23:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | the suggested formelement would be a textarea | 23:54 |
| danny_mk | like a filter on a router. Do not accept connections from x.x.x.x | 23:54 |
| @rizen | and tell the user to put one per line | 23:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh yeah | 23:55 |
| danny_mk | the user would not manage these | 23:55 |
| danny_mk | only administrators will have access to this stuff | 23:55 |
| @rizen | the user in this case being admin | 23:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | i forgot the authsetting were stored in the settings table | 23:55 |
| @rizen | cuz only admin can get to the settings screen | 23:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | use that | 23:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | rizen is right | 23:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah man it hurts to say that | 23:56 |
| danny_mk | ok. | 23:57 |
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| danny_mk | why does the Settings module delete commas from a textbox? | 05:43 |
| danny_mk | never mind, it was me :-( | 05:45 |
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| danny_mk | OK, I think I have one bug left to work on and it should be completely done. It has to do with the International Module so I should be able to get it done tomorrow. | 06:23 |
| danny_mk | I will upload a working copy that defaults to the English language. | 06:23 |
| danny_mk | At this point it is fully functional and you can test it on NON-Production websites. | 06:24 |
| danny_mk | Good night. | 06:24 |
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| fiddur|jobb | morns | 07:38 |
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| fiddur | Hello. I get a warning in the log that "You've disabled cache in your config file...", but in the domains conf it says "disableCache" : "0" | 09:00 |
| fiddur | Is it referring to some other (global) config file, even though it states the domain name in the log-row? | 09:02 |
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| @rizen | fiddur, did you restart modperl after changing the config file to read disableCache : 0 | 16:14 |
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| xootom | Just a quick question about packages: from experience it seems that restoring a package (say from templates on webgui.org) it is restored with its original asset IDs. I want to use a package to define a default "sub-site" set of pages (about, forums, contact, faq) that I can keep importing for each new user, will they import with different IDs? | 16:38 |
| @rizen | importing a package is different than deploying a package | 16:39 |
| @rizen | when you import a package from a file it maintains the asset id's that it used when it got exported from the site | 16:40 |
| xootom | Ahh that's great thanks | 16:40 |
| @rizen | but deploying the package creates a copy of all the assets | 16:40 |
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| danny_mk | is the person that refered me to this http://pastebin.ca/652879 code in here? | 16:49 |
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| danny_mk | OK, I tested the OpenId auth module on a coupule of my systems and it seems that the Internationalization problem is bigger than I expected. | 17:17 |
| @rizen | what exactly is the problem? | 17:18 |
| SDuensin | OpenId? Ooo! | 17:18 |
| danny_mk | becasue of the fact that OpenId implementations go back and forth between the Provider website and the WebGUI website, WebGUI looses track of who $session->user is | 17:19 |
| danny_mk | When the International module looks for $session->user it fails because it complains that it can not call methods on "user" invalid reference or something like that | 17:20 |
| danny_mk | I will get the right error in a few min. | 17:20 |
| @rizen | methinks you have a typo | 17:20 |
| danny_mk | I even pass the English language to the International module as a work around and it still fails | 17:21 |
| danny_mk | ok, I will buy that. | 17:21 |
| @rizen | specifically that you're not passing the session object into the i18n constructor | 17:21 |
| @rizen | somewhere | 17:21 |
| danny_mk | ok, let me paste code on pastebot | 17:21 |
| @rizen | post your code to a pastebin somewhere and i'll take a look | 17:21 |
| @rizen | yeah | 17:21 |
| danny_mk | http://sial.org/pbot/26852 | 17:22 |
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| danny_mk | disregard the comments, they are left over from my tests. | 17:25 |
| @rizen | sorry, this doesn't help | 17:25 |
| @rizen | need the whole file | 17:25 |
| danny_mk | ok | 17:25 |
| @rizen | and why are you calling new backwards | 17:25 |
| @rizen | my $i18n = new WebGUI::International($self->session, 'AuthOpenId', 'English'); | 17:25 |
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| danny_mk | http://sial.org/pbot/26853 | 17:27 |
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| danny_mk | either or way works the same, I am used to the C# and Java way so it feels familiar | 17:28 |
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| @rizen | it's against WG best practices though | 17:31 |
| danny_mk | No problem, I can change that. | 17:31 |
| @rizen | not that big of a deal, was just pointing it out so you knew | 17:31 |
| @rizen | what is the exact error message you're seeing? | 17:31 |
| danny_mk | hold on | 17:32 |
| danny_mk | Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::User::www_editUser. Root cause: Can't call method "user" on an undefined value at /opt/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/International.pm line 264. | 17:33 |
| danny_mk | If I don't use the International module everything works great :-( | 17:34 |
| danny_mk | Darnit!!! I can't believe it. I thought I looked over all the code but I did have a typo | 17:38 |
| SDuensin | :-) | 17:38 |
| SDuensin | Is this a contributed module, or part of the 7.4.x tree? | 17:38 |
| danny_mk | and talk about JT pinpointing it. WG best practices conflicted with my best practices :-) | 17:39 |
| danny_mk | LOL | 17:39 |
| @rizen | so this bug is no more then? | 17:39 |
| danny_mk | i had "my $i18n = new WebGUI::International->new(... | 17:40 |
| AMH_henry | @danny_mk: my $i18n = new WebGUI::International($self->session, 'AuthOpenId', 'English'); won´t work because there's already a subroutine called new in your current package | 17:40 |
| AMH_henry | you really need the ->new syntax | 17:40 |
| danny_mk | not true Henry but I did change the code. | 17:40 |
| danny_mk | I am going with WG best coding practices. That way I will avoid conflicts when cutting and pasting code. | 17:41 |
| danny_mk | You know, a couple things that still bug me are the fact that I use CGI::new instead of $self->session->request | 17:43 |
| danny_mk | it should really work with the request object but I had problems with that in the beggining. I may take a look at that today. | 17:44 |
| AMH_henry | see http://perldoc.perl.org/perlobj.html (Indirect Object Syntax) | 17:45 |
| danny_mk | Hmmm.... great call Henry. I stand corrected. No more Indirect Object Syntax for me in Perl :- | 17:47 |
| danny_mk | rizen: No more International bug. Wish I was home so that I could test it on my other systems. I will have to do that tonight. | 17:52 |
| @rizen | is Net::OpenID::Consumer only using CGI for form params? | 17:54 |
| @rizen | if so, you could just pass $session->form into it | 17:55 |
| @rizen | because it has a compatible param() method | 17:55 |
| danny_mk | ok, let me try that. | 17:55 |
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| danny_mk | Hmmm... it has a problem with that. Let me look at the WebGUI api to see if I can find a suitable object. It really wants one of these: a HASH ref, CODE ref, Apache $r, Apache::Request $apreq, or CGI.pm $cgi. | 18:11 |
| danny_mk | I have to step away from my computer for a few min but BRB | 18:11 |
| @rizen | oh | 18:13 |
| @rizen | then just give it $session->request | 18:13 |
| @khenn | is anyone working on the weather bug? | 18:18 |
| danny_mk | I did that a few times and it still had problems but hopefully they were related to the other bugs I had. let me try it again. | 18:20 |
| danny_mk | Unknown parameter type (Apache2::Request=SCALAR(0x84923878)) | 18:21 |
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| danny_mk | Hmmm... | 18:22 |
| danny_mk | CGI::new works great but I would prefer not to use another module. | 18:22 |
| @rizen | not to mention it won't make it into the core with that | 18:27 |
| @rizen | not that i'm saying it would make it into the core without it either | 18:27 |
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| danny_mk | I understand. I like the idea of SSO using a trusted 3rd party and I thought OpenId was a viable solution. | 18:28 |
| * SDuensin likes OpenId. | 18:30 | |
| @rizen | sure, i like openid too...but until i can fully review your implementation i can't say it will make it in | 18:31 |
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| danny_mk | Ah, gotit! I had to look at the code in Session::Form and I used $session->form->paramsHashRef | 18:42 |
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| danny_mk | Hmmm.... the perdoc documentation for WebGUI::Cache does not seem to acurately reflect the actual module. | 19:21 |
| @rizen | report a bug if that's the case | 19:21 |
| danny_mk | is there a problem with using Cache::File instead of WebGUI::Cache ? | 19:21 |
| @rizen | yes | 19:23 |
| @rizen | mainly that Cache::File is horribly inefficient | 19:23 |
| @rizen | we used to use it in WebGUI | 19:23 |
| @rizen | it's a big stupid pig | 19:23 |
| danny_mk | LOL... Ok, I will use WebGUI::Cache instead. | 19:24 |
| @rizen | also Cache::File won't work on clusters | 19:25 |
| @rizen | WebGUI::Cache is cluster safe | 19:26 |
| danny_mk | rizen: What is the required second argument to "WebGUI::Cache->new($self->session,???)", does it have to be ["user",$userId]? | 19:38 |
| danny_mk | I hate to keep asking all these questions but I rather move this along instead of spending hours reading and understanding modules | 19:39 |
| @rizen | the key that you're storing under....usually an assetId or something else unique to you | 19:39 |
| @rizen | you could say "auth_openid" | 19:40 |
| @rizen | if you're only storing one thing in it | 19:40 |
| danny_mk | right now I have my $cache = WebGUI::Cache->new($self->session,["openidSession",$wgOpenIdKey]); | 19:40 |
| @rizen | i don't know exactly what you're doing with the cache so i can't say more than that | 19:40 |
| @rizen | that would work | 19:41 |
| danny_mk | I know the value of wgOpenIdKey from a posted argument. When I recreate the cache with the same arguments it should work right? | 19:41 |
| @rizen | yup | 19:41 |
| danny_mk | even if I have a different session and I am a different user? | 19:41 |
| @rizen | yeah, sessionId has nothing to do with it | 19:42 |
| @rizen | unless you include that in your key name | 19:42 |
| danny_mk | ok, thanks. | 19:42 |
| danny_mk | OK, last question before I do another release. This one uses the WG api where ever it has to. | 20:15 |
| danny_mk | In using Cache I need to pass an cache object that "has a ->get($key) and ->set($key,$value) methods" WebGUI::Cache and its derived classes do not really seem to support these signatures. | 20:17 |
| danny_mk | I can do it without cache but it is recommended we use cache. | 20:17 |
| @rizen | nice job with openid...looks good | 20:49 |
| @rizen | at first glance | 20:49 |
| danny_mk | Thank you. | 20:50 |
| danny_mk | I forgot that I don't have an explanation for the Accept and Deny lists in the Settings. | 20:50 |
| danny_mk | The list has to be separated by commas | 20:51 |
| danny_mk | I will put that in my post | 20:51 |
| danny_mk | rizen: without reading through all the code is there an easy way to ad the tooltip to the Accept and Deny lists? | 21:16 |
| @rizen | on the form element pass in a parameter called hoverHelp | 21:16 |
| @rizen | hoverHelp => $i18n->get("accept list help"), | 21:17 |
| danny_mk | ah, perfect, thanks. | 21:17 |
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| xootom | I have a query about groups. In the user import script (unlike the groupadd macro) does it only take group IDs to join the user to a group? I.e. the random ID, not the 'nice' group name. | 22:40 |
| @rizen | yes it only takes the group id | 22:41 |
| @rizen | not the name | 22:41 |
| @rizen | bug-- | 22:45 |
| @rizen | bug -- | 22:45 |
| @rizen | bug -- | 22:46 |
| @rizen | bug -- | 22:46 |
| @rizen | bug -- | 22:46 |
| xootom | Thanks, I've added some users with it now, there are a few hundred so I get the search when I go to user manager. The users all have a unique number as their default username, but I only appear to be able to search on username... how would I find someone based on their name? | 22:46 |
| @rizen | if you add their first/last name to their profile | 22:47 |
| @rizen | the user manager lets you search on username, email address, first name, and last name | 22:47 |
| @rizen | danny_mk: what about the cache docs didn't you like? | 22:50 |
| @rizen | the only thing i found that was suspect, that the "key" parameter wasn't fully documented in the constructor | 22:50 |
| xootom | I've added firstnames and last names and they are visible in the user profile view but I can only find the user if I type a bit of the username | 22:52 |
| @rizen | did you see in the search there is "begins with" | 22:53 |
| @rizen | "ends with" | 22:53 |
| @rizen | contains | 22:53 |
| @rizen | etc | 22:53 |
| @rizen | make sure you have that set appropriately | 22:53 |
| @rizen | so if you're tying "fred" | 22:53 |
| @rizen | then you either need contains or begins with | 22:54 |
| @rizen | if the thing you're searching for is "fredrick" | 22:54 |
| xootom | Yeah I've tried all the settings, i'm trying Paul, tried both cases, it returns one I added manually but not one from the user import | 22:54 |
| xootom | i.e. only the one that paul was in the username | 22:54 |
| xootom | It's on Contains Paul Any | 22:54 |
| xootom | his user name is Y372202399054 | 22:55 |
| xootom | so searching Y returns him, but Paul doesn't | 22:55 |
| @rizen | your right, it appears to be a bug | 22:56 |
| @rizen | it's currently only searching email address and username | 22:56 |
| @rizen | it's supposed to search all four | 22:56 |
| xootom | ah ok I'll raise it as a bug thanks | 22:56 |
| danny_mk | rizen: I have to delete or annotate that but. I typed in 'perldoc Cache' in the WebGUI/lib/WebGUI directory and I assumed it was looking at the pod contained in WebGUI::Cache | 23:35 |
| danny_mk | sorry about that. | 23:35 |
| danny_mk | I never looked in the file! | 23:35 |
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| xootom | What's the minimum permissions needed to give users access to modify their own set of pages? -- I have given a user access to a group with permissions to edit a page. Do I have to put them into "turn admin on" to let them edit content?? I tried logging in as this test user, and they can go into version tags and delete and mess around with other people's working tags etc. etc. which doesn't seem very secure. | 00:03 |
| @preaction | they don't need to be part of Turn Admin On to edit, but they do need a link to ?func=edit | 00:05 |
| @preaction | they will need access to Turn Admin On to be able to commit their version tag | 00:05 |
| @preaction | in 7.4 you can set permissions for every panel in the admin console, so if you want, the Turn Admin On group can turn admin on but not actually do anything | 00:06 |
| xootom | can they see the version tags panel though and switch to and commit other people's version tag? | 00:06 |
| @preaction | yes | 00:06 |
| @preaction | 7.4 also has a way to auto-commit every edit to an asset, which would probably serve you better | 00:07 |
| xootom | yes that'd probably do it, i wonder how i can provide them with edit buttons to everything though if they can't turn admin mode on | 00:07 |
| @preaction | you'd allow them to turn admin on, by adding them to the Turn Admin On group, but you'd modify the Admin Console permissions to deny them from actually Doing anything on the admin console | 00:08 |
| xootom | can i make the auto-commit only apply to lower ui-level users? | 00:10 |
| @rizen | o | 00:10 |
| @rizen | no | 00:10 |
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| xootom | At the moment Turn Admin On users see all the New Content items even on pages they don't have permissions to, resulting in permission denied errors. I'm thinking of filing an RFE, it would seem to me to be more logical for users without access to add things to the current page, not to see the New Content side panel at those times (the same as you don't see Clipboard or Version Tags when they're empty) | 00:21 |
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| xootom | I've enabled auto-commits on my site, but when i save or change an article or whatever, it doesn't appear after pressing save, I have to go to another page then back again, or press reload (but then I have to confirm reposting form data etc). is that a known bug? | 00:48 |
| @rizen | how do you know you enabled auto commits? | 00:58 |
| @rizen | there are three things you have to do to make it work | 00:58 |
| @rizen | Automatically request commit? has to be yes | 00:59 |
| @rizen | Skip commit comments? shoudl be yes | 00:59 |
| @rizen | Default Version Tag Workflow has to be Commit Content Immediately | 00:59 |
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| xootom | ahh my Default VT workflow was still set at Commit without approval, I hadn't noticed the new option. Thanks | 01:25 |
| @rizen | bug -- | 01:28 |
| @rizen | bug -- | 01:28 |
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| @rizen | bug -- | 02:09 |
| * SDuensin cheers ++ | 02:14 | |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:06 |
| AMH_bob | Top of the morning to you too. | 16:06 |
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| @rizen | howdy all | 16:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | hi | 16:44 |
| SDuensin | Hey rizen | 16:48 |
| SDuensin | Howdy MrHairgrease | 16:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | hi SDuensin | 16:56 |
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| xootom | hi all | 17:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | hi | 17:15 |
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| sno | What does it mean when this message pops up during a CGI save attempt? "This Asset is locked for editing under a version tag different from the one that you are using." | 17:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | it means that someone (maybe even yourself) has edited the asset under adifferent tag than you are using | 17:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | and that that tag has not yet been comitted | 17:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | to edit the asset either: | 17:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | 1) Commit the tag the asset is under and once that is completed edit it. | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | or | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | 2) switch to the tag the asset is under and edit it | 17:35 |
| sno | Hmm. That asset hasn't been edited since yesterday, but was committed. I was working on that part of the system for an hour today, and then suddenly this popped up as a problem. | 17:35 |
| sno | Even so, I went to version tags and for some reason found a version not committed. | 17:36 |
| sno | Weird. | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you loose your cookie | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | and log back in | 17:36 |
| * SDuensin hates tight cookies. | 17:36 | |
| sno | Maybe that was it. | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | you will not be under the tag you were in your last session | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | could be | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | anyway | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | just use that tag and carry on =) | 17:37 |
| sno | Checking the admin nav version tag option and committing it solved it. Thanks. | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 17:38 |
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| +MrHairgrease | rizen | 19:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | i have a question about workflow activities | 19:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | \do you have time? | 19:18 |
| @rizen | shoot | 19:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm planning on making one which should fetch files from an ftp server or something like that | 19:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | now | 19:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | activities can only last one minute | 19:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | so what would be the best appoach to fetch file that take over a minute to download? | 19:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | i thought maybe forking a process or something like that | 19:20 |
| @rizen | you'd need to fork a process | 19:20 |
| @rizen | yeah | 19:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that isn't portable | 19:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | right? | 19:20 |
| @rizen | no it isn't | 19:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 19:20 |
| @rizen | what kind of file would you be downloading that would take that long? | 19:20 |
| @rizen | don't get me wrong | 19:21 |
| @rizen | i understand in the greater scheme of FTPing | 19:21 |
| @rizen | it could take days to download stuff | 19:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | i dunno yet | 19:21 |
| @rizen | but relative to the workflow engine | 19:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it should be possible | 19:21 |
| @rizen | it seems that anything you were going to grab would be quick | 19:21 |
| @rizen | one way to do it in a portable fashion | 19:22 |
| @rizen | would be to write an FTP service daemon | 19:22 |
| @rizen | that the workflow activity could communicate with | 19:22 |
| @rizen | that way it would be portable | 19:22 |
| @rizen | and could run as long as it needed to | 19:22 |
| @rizen | and could notify the workflow when it was done doing whatever it was asked to do | 19:22 |
| @rizen | i'm not saying writing an FTP server | 19:22 |
| @rizen | but rather an FTP getter | 19:22 |
| @rizen | as a daemon | 19:23 |
| xootom | I'm importing users using userImport.pl, but my file has birthdates in a date format and they're not getting converted (epoch time in seconds?)... where should the conversion take place, a special case for 'birthdate' in userImport.pl? | 19:31 |
| @rizen | you'd need to request a new feature be added to userImport.pl | 19:31 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Wow, lots of people in the room today. Or has this become the norm? | 21:27 |
| @rizen | this has become the norm lately | 21:27 |
| @rizen | for the past couple of weeks | 21:27 |
| @rizen | the other day there were almost 30 people on at the same time | 21:28 |
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| @preaction | i blame the split of plainblack.com/webgui.org | 22:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | for what? | 22:02 |
| @preaction | the new influx of people to WebGUI and this channel | 22:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's good right? | 22:04 |
| @preaction | yes | 22:04 |
| @rizen | hehe | 22:14 |
| @preaction | that and new exposure on F/OSS websites like sourceforge, ohloh, and any other ones we find. | 22:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's just that | 22:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | i expected you, as a experienced svn user, to praise good things instead of blameing em | 22:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that's just me =) | 22:18 |
| @preaction | but an experienced svn user knows that blame and praise is the same thing ;) | 22:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | sure | 22:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm not saying you're wrong | 22:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | It's just the way you feel when you decide which one to use | 22:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | think of it in beer | 22:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you hate someone | 22:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | give 'em bud light | 22:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you praise em | 22:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | give miller mgd | 22:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | or even better | 22:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | something from belgium | 22:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 22:20 |
| @preaction | you're evil. i wouldn't subject even my enemies to the horrors of bud light | 22:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | i once bought one in chigcago | 22:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | but what did know... | 22:20 |
| @preaction | yes, they call that "beer" around here... it's crazy | 22:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | back then I was hip fashionable eurotrash too | 22:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | crazy waterdrinkin yankees =) | 22:21 |
| @preaction | you think that's bad, you haven't had Milwaukee's Best Light (also known as The Beast), or Natural Ice (also known as Nasty Ice) | 22:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | and I never will... | 22:22 |
| @preaction | you're not coming down for the wuc? | 22:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | No, I'll be there | 22:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I won't drink that crap | 22:23 |
| @preaction | i suppose, you've tried the Bud Light (Uncle Ben's Perverted Rice Water), i shant subject you to worse ;) | 22:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | it had no taste at all | 22:24 |
| @rizen | while MHG is here I'm going to get him hooked on Capital brew and Great Dane brew | 22:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'd rather drink tap water | 22:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | you do that | 22:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | joeri will tag along too I'm sure | 22:25 |
| @rizen | it's good stuff...and i'm not even a beer dringer | 22:25 |
| @rizen | drinker | 22:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | speaking of beer. | 22:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | It's time for a couple | 22:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | while you guys are struggling to 5pm =) | 22:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | later guys | 22:26 |
| @rizen | later | 22:26 |
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| +crythias | MGD... mmm | 00:09 |
| +crythias | like Corona... without the pretention. | 00:09 |
| perlmonkey2 | POE is a workaround to Perl's lack of decent threading. With Perl 6 having a real threaded env, why is POE (vulnerable to blocking) better? | 00:13 |
| perlmonkey2 | In regards to the pure perl stack. | 00:13 |
| @rizen | because POE is not threaded | 00:14 |
| @rizen | threading is not a good thing when you're talking about high performance environments | 00:14 |
| @rizen | don't get be wrong...threading is easy and useful | 00:14 |
| @rizen | s/be/me/ | 00:14 |
| @rizen | think of it this way | 00:15 |
| @rizen | with threads you have a stack | 00:15 |
| @rizen | and a heap | 00:15 |
| @rizen | sorry stack | 00:15 |
| @rizen | the stack can only grow to a certain size | 00:15 |
| @rizen | and the thread manager is heavy because it has to be generic enough to handle anything | 00:15 |
| @rizen | when you write an event driven mono-process like POE | 00:16 |
| @rizen | you can build in the multi-tasking the way you want it done | 00:16 |
| @rizen | rather than how the thread manager want's it done | 00:16 |
| @rizen | that's why most video games are single threaded | 00:16 |
| @rizen | they can outperform the native threads and processes of the operating system's environment | 00:17 |
| perlmonkey2 | Even if that is so, what about taking advantage of multi-proc/core machines? | 00:17 |
| @rizen | well that's the advantage of using a preforker or a native thread library | 00:18 |
| @rizen | it usually handles that for you | 00:18 |
| @rizen | although some thread libraries can't handle multi-processors at all or very well either | 00:18 |
| @rizen | the arguement basically boils down to a build it vs buy it scenario | 00:19 |
| @rizen | if you build it, it will take more time and you'll have more initial heart aches | 00:19 |
| @rizen | but you can make it do anything you want | 00:19 |
| @rizen | and exactly how you want | 00:19 |
| @rizen | if you buy it | 00:19 |
| @rizen | then you're stuck with what they give you | 00:19 |
| @rizen | in our case, we're actually not building it or buying it in the traditional sense | 00:20 |
| perlmonkey2 | So even though POE is single threaded, you get exact control over where the control point goes after every stack exit? | 00:20 |
| @rizen | we're buying something someone else has built | 00:20 |
| @rizen | yes, we can put in our own process queing and process priorities | 00:21 |
| @rizen | we can set up our own exit points, heap managmeent, etc | 00:21 |
| @rizen | incidentally, once perl6 is released, rocco has stated that one of the process management options will be to use perl's native threading | 00:22 |
| @rizen | so we'll have that option too | 00:22 |
| perlmonkey2 | eh? POE will use 6's native threading? | 00:22 |
| @rizen | rocco is the guy that wrote POE | 00:22 |
| @rizen | no, it won't use it | 00:22 |
| @rizen | it will have the capability of using it | 00:22 |
| perlmonkey2 | that is ........ beautiful. | 00:22 |
| @rizen | that's what i'm sayying | 00:22 |
| perlmonkey2 | I'm tearing up here. | 00:23 |
| @rizen | it's pluggable | 00:23 |
| @rizen | all the way through | 00:23 |
| @rizen | don't like how something works...build your own or choose from one of the 50 other ways to make it work that someone else has already written | 00:23 |
| @rizen | incidentally...i just did a horrible job of explaining it | 00:24 |
| @rizen | mainly cuz i don't actually dive into the guts of this stuff | 00:24 |
| @rizen | i just know from benchmarks which is better | 00:24 |
| @rizen | and various technical briefs i've read | 00:25 |
| perlmonkey2 | don't dive into the guts? hah, I learned POE by looking at your code. MUCH better examples than the outdated poorly maintained POE examples. | 00:25 |
| @rizen | well i know how to code for poe.. what i mean is that i haven't actually written one off the kernel plugins for poe | 00:26 |
| @rizen | like a queue manager for example | 00:26 |
| @rizen | i use poe as is | 00:26 |
| @rizen | i just rest easy knowing that i *can* dive in there if i need to | 00:27 |
| perlmonkey2 | something that is interesting about the p6 thread plugin is that all operations on shared objects currently are atomic on POE. There is no need to synchronize access because two thread/clients can't access the object at the same time. But with the threading model, they can. Think this will be difficult for rocco to overcome? | 00:28 |
| @rizen | no idea | 00:31 |
| @rizen | he's a pretty smart guy, but kind of a recluse | 00:31 |
| @rizen | it's hard to get a read on him | 00:31 |
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| perlmonkey2 | In my opinion, the largest of the pitfalls you list for the pureperl stack is the multi-core issue, which the perl 6 threaded process management poe plugin will help resolve. | 00:33 |
| @rizen | i don't think it will be too big of an issue | 00:34 |
| @rizen | it's simply a matter of working with it to see what we can come up with | 00:34 |
| @rizen | poe already has a prefork system | 00:34 |
| @rizen | and inter kernel communication | 00:34 |
| @rizen | so we could just fork one instance for each core on the box | 00:35 |
| @rizen | and then have each of the processes delegate to each other using federated IKC | 00:35 |
| perlmonkey2 | and IKC seems rock solid. | 00:35 |
| @rizen | but who knows if we'll even do the pure perl stack | 00:36 |
| @rizen | i'm sure there will be lots of backlash if we go that way | 00:36 |
| perlmonkey2 | Well, I like the idea. | 00:38 |
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| danny_mk | rizen: Do you know which one of the developers has experience writting tests that deal with 3rd party websites? | 01:30 |
| @rizen | what do you mean 3rd party web sites? | 01:31 |
| @rizen | why are you testing 3rd party web sites? | 01:31 |
| danny_mk | specifically when setting $self->session->http->setRedirect to a foreign website | 01:31 |
| danny_mk | OpenId requires a third party to for authentication | 01:32 |
| danny_mk | the provider | 01:32 |
| @rizen | are you actually testing the remote site | 01:32 |
| @rizen | or do you just want to know that your redirect is going to the right url? | 01:32 |
| danny_mk | the OpenId module works great on my laptop (test system) however the redirect headers don't seem to hit my browser | 01:33 |
| danny_mk | from one of my servers | 01:33 |
| danny_mk | so I want to test that the redirect headers actually send the browser to the provider and then back to the WebGUI site | 01:34 |
| @rizen | setRedirect definitely works | 01:34 |
| @rizen | but if you wan tto write a test for it | 01:34 |
| @rizen | you can | 01:34 |
| @rizen | what you want to do is | 01:34 |
| @rizen | set an output handler in WebGUI::Session::Output | 01:35 |
| @rizen | so that you can call your code | 01:35 |
| danny_mk | By using Live Http headers and the $self->session->errorHandler->warn method I have noticed that it does hit the area where the headers are supposed to go to the browser | 01:35 |
| @rizen | and then catch the output coming from webgui | 01:35 |
| @rizen | to see if it's what you expect | 01:35 |
| danny_mk | however the "<meta refresh" never gets sent to the browser | 01:35 |
| @rizen | the meta refresh never should be sent to the browser | 01:36 |
| @rizen | under normal circumstances it should only send a redirect | 01:36 |
| @rizen | so you should be doing: | 01:36 |
| @rizen | $session->http->setRedirect($url); | 01:36 |
| @rizen | return 1; | 01:36 |
| @rizen | sorry | 01:37 |
| @rizen | return "redirect" | 01:37 |
| @rizen | the meta refresh only gets sent to the browser if content is returned | 01:37 |
| @rizen | it's sort of a last ditch effort in case all else fails | 01:38 |
| danny_mk | hmmm... I am a little lost. By using Live http headers I can monitor the trafic between my browser and the webserver. My browser never gets any directives that tells it to go to the provider. I must be missing something. | 01:40 |
| danny_mk | I am not saying that WebGUI is the culprit. I am just saying that something is not right. | 01:40 |
| danny_mk | I have been wrong too many times to blame WebGUI again :-) | 01:40 |
| danny_mk | LOL | 01:40 |
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| @rizen | sorry man i don't know how to help you | 01:41 |
| @rizen | i haven't really looked at your code yet | 01:41 |
| @rizen | too busy with my own code | 01:42 |
| danny_mk | no problem, I will look into it further. WebGUI has a couple good tools for troubleshooting stuff like this. | 01:42 |
| danny_mk | However, I am wondering how I will write an effective test for this module. | 01:43 |
| @rizen | that's what i was saying before | 01:43 |
| @rizen | you can trap webgui's output in a test | 01:43 |
| @rizen | you can set an output handler in $session->output | 01:43 |
| @rizen | so that it directs it back to your test | 01:43 |
| @rizen | so then you can call your code | 01:43 |
| @rizen | that has the setRedirect in it | 01:43 |
| @rizen | and you can verify that webgui has sent the appropriate data | 01:43 |
| @rizen | $session->output->setHandler | 01:44 |
| @rizen | $session->output->setHandle($handle); | 01:44 |
| @rizen | then | 01:44 |
| @rizen | $myObj->runCode; | 01:44 |
| @rizen | Then check $handle | 01:45 |
| @rizen | for the output | 01:45 |
| @rizen | get it? | 01:45 |
| danny_mk | yup. I will try that. | 01:45 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Has anyone mixed WebGUI/Poe with Moose? | 03:22 |
| @rizen | what is moose? | 03:23 |
| perlmonkey2 | moose is the Perl6 OO bolted onto Perl5. | 03:24 |
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| @rizen | in that case the answer is now | 03:26 |
| @rizen | no | 03:26 |
| @rizen | we're starting to migrate to Class::InsideOut | 03:27 |
| perlmonkey2 | Anything beats %hashObject | 03:28 |
| @rizen | So far I like Class::InsideOut quite a bit | 03:29 |
| @rizen | i wrote the whole new WRE 0.8 API using it | 03:29 |
| @rizen | and the new Keywords API with it too | 03:30 |
| perlmonkey2 | I've used the insideout oo method, but never that particular class. I'll have to check it out. | 03:30 |
| perlmonkey2 | Because I *have* to use OO or I quickly become inable to understand my code. | 03:31 |
| @rizen | Class::InsideOut is cool because it doesn't force your module to work a certain way | 03:31 |
| @rizen | but you still get the benefits of no hash objects | 03:32 |
| @rizen | thread safety | 03:32 |
| @rizen | automatic object destruction | 03:32 |
| perlmonkey2 | nice | 03:32 |
| @rizen | automatic accessors/mutators | 03:32 |
| @rizen | etc | 03:32 |
| perlmonkey2 | That sounds like it does a lot of what moose does. | 03:32 |
| @rizen | it does | 03:33 |
| @rizen | i'm reading the moose docs now | 03:33 |
| @rizen | it looks pretty cool | 03:33 |
| @rizen | but it looks even more powerful than class::insideout | 03:33 |
| perlmonkey2 | I don't know class::insideout , but Moose has been fun to use. | 03:34 |
| perlmonkey2 | The biggest plus for me is that it is supposed to closely resemble Perl6 OOP. | 03:34 |
| @rizen | i wish i would have known about moose prior to using class inside out, but i'm afraid i'm not going to go back now | 03:34 |
| perlmonkey2 | Yes, sunk costs must be recouped, especially when they are time. | 03:35 |
| @rizen | i'm already too far behind as it is | 03:35 |
| @rizen | i need a 100 hour work day | 03:35 |
| perlmonkey2 | hah | 03:35 |
| perlmonkey2 | Do you keep busy doing contract work, or are you the lead dev on WebGUI or do those two overlap? | 03:36 |
| perlmonkey2 | But if you find out where to find those 100 hour work days, point them out to me. | 03:36 |
| @rizen | i only do contract work when we run out of contractors | 03:38 |
| @rizen | i happen to be doing a contract right now cuz one of our contractors bailed | 03:38 |
| @rizen | normally i am the only one doing R&D on WebGUI and WRE | 03:39 |
| @rizen | and then of course there's the business to run | 03:39 |
| perlmonkey2 | Are all your people contractors, or are the regulars full timers? | 03:40 |
| perlmonkey2 | And would the survey system be considered part of the D in R&D? | 03:41 |
| @rizen | that's true | 03:42 |
| @rizen | you're helping me with d | 03:42 |
| @rizen | so thank you | 03:42 |
| @rizen | i should say, i'm the only paid person doing r&d | 03:42 |
| @rizen | we have 9 full time staffers | 03:43 |
| perlmonkey2 | holy crap. you're huge. | 03:43 |
| @rizen | and they all work on client project work | 03:43 |
| @rizen | except me | 03:43 |
| @rizen | we're tiny | 03:43 |
| perlmonkey2 | seems like a pretty large operation for WebGUI only really hitting its prime in the last few years. | 03:43 |
| @rizen | beyond that we have 1 part timer, and about 30 contractors that we use on and off | 03:44 |
| @rizen | you gotta remember that webgui has been about business since day one | 03:44 |
| @rizen | unlike apps like joomla that are more concerned about your casual user | 03:44 |
| perlmonkey2 | Yeah, which is what I liked about the project. A GNU project that makes money. | 03:45 |
| perlmonkey2 | And focused on people making money. | 03:45 |
| @rizen | yeah...i don't want to be a charity | 03:45 |
| @rizen | i'm trying to prove that it's possible to run a healthy organic open source driven business that's both profitable | 03:46 |
| @rizen | and not artificially held up with venture capital | 03:46 |
| perlmonkey2 | Sounds like you are doing alright | 03:46 |
| @rizen | we're doing pretty good, but me being a perfectionist, i think we can always do much better | 03:47 |
| @rizen | by any normal standards we're doing fantastic | 03:48 |
| @rizen | i just set really high standards for myself | 03:48 |
| @rizen | =) | 03:48 |
| perlmonkey2 | Heh, all the millionaires I know were perfectionists. | 03:48 |
| perlmonkey2 | But I'm glad you're doing well. Gets me excited about the survey system when I think lots of people will use it. | 03:49 |
| @rizen | oh yeah | 03:51 |
| @rizen | if it turns out really nice | 03:51 |
| @rizen | it will be used by thousands | 03:51 |
| @rizen | perhaps millions | 03:51 |
| perlmonkey2 | You have millions of users? | 03:51 |
| @rizen | we have thousands of deployments | 03:51 |
| perlmonkey2 | Which is pretty easy to assume millions of users.....wow | 03:51 |
| @rizen | and our clients have hundreds of thousands and some even have millions | 03:51 |
| @rizen | our largest client technically has over 1 billion users | 03:52 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Chinese .gov? | 03:52 |
| @rizen | state.gov | 03:52 |
| @rizen | all of the US Embassy web sites world wide | 03:52 |
| perlmonkey2 | I thought all the code looked really tight. And it would have to be to serve the embassies which would be a prime hacker target. | 03:53 |
| @rizen | i'm slowly replacing all the code that i don't think is tight | 03:54 |
| @rizen | like the survey for example | 03:54 |
| @rizen | =) | 03:54 |
| perlmonkey2 | No pressure on me | 03:54 |
| @rizen | i'm certain you'll do fine | 03:55 |
| @rizen | i honestly can't wait to see the new ajaxish editor | 03:55 |
| perlmonkey2 | Yeah, it's going to be pretty sweet. | 03:55 |
| perlmonkey2 | Okay, I've got to take off for a bit. Catch you later. | 03:56 |
| @rizen | bye | 03:58 |
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| wgGuest77 | hi | 14:42 |
| wgGuest77 | I have a problem upgrading | 14:43 |
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| wgGuest77 | hi | 14:45 |
| wgGuest77 | can you help me? | 14:45 |
| AMH_henry | what's wrong? | 14:48 |
| wgGuest77 | my update from 7.3.22 to 7.4.3 failed | 14:48 |
| AMH_henry | error messages? | 14:48 |
| wgGuest77 | I installed all the required modules as written in the gotchas | 14:48 |
| wgGuest77 | but the upgrade scripts outputs errors regarding JSON | 14:49 |
| wgGuest77 | I did a force install in CPAN but many tests failed | 14:49 |
| AMH_henry | what operating system? | 14:49 |
| wgGuest77 | now I'm trying to update CPAN | 14:49 |
| wgGuest77 | latest OS X | 14:49 |
| wgGuest77 | WRE 0.7.2 | 14:50 |
| AMH_henry | hmm... i'm not experience with OS X.. sorry | 14:50 |
| wgGuest77 | :/ | 14:53 |
| AMH_henry | maybe you can try to post a quest in the forum | 14:55 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:55 |
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| perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: Hello | 16:48 |
| @rizen | howdy | 16:50 |
| SDuensin | Woke up to an insane server load and a corrupt database today. <sigh> | 16:51 |
| @rizen | yuk...on webgui server? | 16:55 |
| @rizen | corrupt as in you can just myisamchk and fix it, or as in totally destroyed? | 16:55 |
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| SDuensin | I fixed it with mysqlcheck. | 17:02 |
| SDuensin | And yea, on a WebGUI server. | 17:02 |
| @rizen | i think you better switch to opencms | 17:03 |
| @rizen | you're not having much luck with webgui | 17:03 |
| @rizen | =) | 17:03 |
| @rizen | any indication of what happened? | 17:03 |
| SDuensin | Nope. Everything was fine last night, today I couldn't contact the box. So it got a reboot to the head. | 17:04 |
| -!- rizen changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.4.3-beta / 7.3.22-stable | WRE 0.7.2 ] .:. Come To The WUC http://www.plainblack.com/wuc | 17:04 | |
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| AMH_mari | @SDuensin: is your machine by any chance running Fedora? | 17:19 |
| SDuensin | Unfortunately. | 17:21 |
| xootom | same happened here yesterday afternoon | 17:24 |
| xootom | fc4 | 17:24 |
| SDuensin | Ut oh. | 17:25 |
| AMH_mari | We had a bit of a problem with the yum update daemon some time ago. Our servers went down with zero swap space remaining. Disabling via /etc/init.d/yum-updatesd solved it. | 17:25 |
| AMH_mari | (Fedora core 6) | 17:25 |
| SDuensin | Interesting. | 17:25 |
| AMH_mari | It is some time ago and the update daemon might be fixed now. But we don't want an automated yum update anyway, so have not checked this. | 17:26 |
| SDuensin | I have an /etc/init.d/yum, and it's "off" in all runlevels. | 17:27 |
| AMH_mari | No yum-updatesd? If so run the following to turn it off: chkconfig --del yum-updatesd | 17:28 |
| SDuensin | Nope. No yum-updatesd. | 17:28 |
| SDuensin | This is FC4. | 17:28 |
| * SDuensin hates using old OSs. | 17:28 | |
| AMH_mari | Aha, we're running FC6... | 17:28 |
| AMH_mari | Doesn't apply then. | 17:29 |
| SDuensin | I had a choice of FC4 or an even older Debian. Eww. | 17:29 |
| SDuensin | After I got the box rebooted, and before I fixed the database errors, I had a couple httpd processes sucking up all the RAM in the box. | 17:30 |
| SDuensin | As soon as I fixed the database, they were happy. | 17:30 |
| @rizen | yeah, the problem is definitely that your databases got corrupted | 17:30 |
| @rizen | the question is how did that happen | 17:30 |
| SDuensin | Well, in the process of poking around, I've noticed that database has a workflow that won't run. | 17:31 |
| SDuensin | Next question is, how do I safely delete it? | 17:31 |
| @rizen | the only way i've seen a table crash in mysql is if either someone killed the mysql process (hard kill, system power off), or if the filesystem is having problems | 17:31 |
| @rizen | why won't it run? | 17:32 |
| @rizen | generally speaking it's not safe to delete workflows | 17:32 |
| @rizen | which is why there's no way to do it through the UI | 17:32 |
| SDuensin | I think it hates me. That's why it won't run. | 17:35 |
| SDuensin | What was the curl command to get the error? | 17:35 |
| @rizen | curl http://www.example.com/?op=getSpectreConfig | 17:43 |
| @rizen | is that what you're looking for? | 17:43 |
| @rizen | oops | 17:44 |
| @rizen | curl http://www.example.com/?op=spectreGetSiteData | 17:44 |
| @rizen | and then you can also run individual workflows | 17:44 |
| @rizen | curl http://www.example.com/?op=runWorkflow;instanceId=XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX | 17:45 |
| @rizen | but you need to escape the ; | 17:45 |
| @rizen | otherwise the commmand line interprets it as a seperate command | 17:45 |
| @rizen | curl http://www.example.com/?op=runWorkflow\;instanceId=XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX | 17:46 |
| xootom | the userImport.pl script seems to have ignored my userId column and has given each user a random gui, to try the import again am i safe just removing these records (1773 of them) from users and userProfileData? | 17:50 |
| xootom | or even just updating the userId column with sql, i want userId to be = username | 17:51 |
| @rizen | userId must be a 22 character string | 17:52 |
| @rizen | or an integer | 17:52 |
| @rizen | so userId cannot = username | 17:52 |
| xootom | the usernames are all integers, they need to link to records in other tables based on userId | 17:52 |
| @rizen | userId must be an integer less than 3 digits | 17:53 |
| xootom | oh no :( | 17:53 |
| @rizen | sorry less than 5 digits | 17:53 |
| xootom | ah that's ok they're 3 and 4 | 17:53 |
| @rizen | i should also note that at some point userId's will be 100% replaced with guids | 17:53 |
| @rizen | that will be a long time from now (2009 or 2010) | 17:54 |
| @rizen | but you should not set your own userIds | 17:54 |
| xootom | hmm i wonder if i can replace the ids in the other tables with the new guids instead | 17:54 |
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| @rizen | it's not safe to update the userId column | 17:54 |
| @rizen | you can either delete them | 17:54 |
| @rizen | but make sure you delete them everywhere | 17:54 |
| @rizen | users | 17:54 |
| @rizen | userSession | 17:55 |
| @rizen | groupings | 17:55 |
| @rizen | userProfileData | 17:55 |
| xootom | i'll leave them there then, and find the new userId for each username to put in other tables | 17:55 |
| @rizen | or use the API to delete them | 17:55 |
| SDuensin | Sorry. I was AFK. Dang real work. | 17:56 |
| SDuensin | rizen - I get a "Problem with Request" and then the main page of the site. | 18:00 |
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| chris77 | Hello. How do I change the site logo? | 18:03 |
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| @rizen | SD: check the webgui.log | 18:08 |
| @rizen | and if there's nothing there check the modperl log | 18:08 |
| @rizen | chris77: you upload a new logo to your site, and then edit your style template | 18:09 |
| @rizen | to point to the new log | 18:09 |
| @rizen | logo | 18:09 |
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| sno | Has anyone else observed calendar events being placed on the wrong date (one day before) in 7.4? | 19:40 |
| sno | I have (beta) right now, in case that matters. | 19:41 |
| @preaction | when using recurrence? yes | 19:42 |
| @preaction | graham has a fix for that, but it's a pretty sweeping fix that may not make it in for a bit | 19:42 |
| sno | My event editor doesn't have a recurrence form element in it. | 19:43 |
| @preaction | so you're not setting the event's recurrence pattern? | 19:44 |
| sno | Apparently not. I see the tab, but I just ignore it. | 19:45 |
| sno | And even if I make sure "all day" is clicked, it still reverts to a seemingly arbitrary time range for the day before. | 19:46 |
| @preaction | using the latest beta? 7.4.3? | 19:46 |
| sno | No, because I'm developing, I had gotten 7.4.0 and have changes against it. | 19:47 |
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| sno | I have been working on this part of the system, but because I though I broke something, I reverted to base code and the problem still appeared. | 19:48 |
| sno | I was thinking it was a TZ conversion thing, but I don't know. | 19:49 |
| @preaction | you might want to update and see if it still happens | 19:49 |
| @preaction | if so, you might want to post a bug report about it | 19:49 |
| sno | Yeah, unfortunately it directly affects work I'm doing on a live project for Jamie. | 19:50 |
| sno | I guess I'll save all my changes, fire up a virgin virtual instance of this development system, update the version, and see if it still exists. | 19:51 |
| @preaction | check out the contribs area, under "misc" for my "switch_webgui.pl", makes switching between WebGUI codebases a lot easier | 19:52 |
| sno | I would have thought other reports might have come in, but perhaps people who work on beta don't necessary work on this part of the system. | 19:52 |
| sno | Ok. | 19:52 |
| @preaction | i should make a wiki article about it, so many developers need to do this ;) | 19:52 |
| SDuensin | Ok, I'm finally back. Sheesh. | 20:20 |
| SDuensin | My log for that workflow says: | 20:20 |
| SDuensin | 2007/08/16 02:15:49 - ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1013] - WORKFLOW: Something bad happened on the return of I9dEiqSxDBZfdAXyDTdx9g. | 20:20 |
| @rizen | turn on INFO | 20:21 |
| @rizen | then rerun | 20:21 |
| SDuensin | Say who? | 20:23 |
| @rizen | edit log.conf | 20:23 |
| @rizen | replace WARN with INFO | 20:23 |
| @rizen | restart | 20:23 |
| @rizen | rerun the command | 20:23 |
| @rizen | check your log | 20:24 |
| SDuensin | Ah. Ok. | 20:24 |
| SDuensin | Ok, I see a couple things... | 20:28 |
| SDuensin | Couldn't execute prepared statement: select fieldId from EventManagementSystem_badges where assetId=? : With place holders: ZhySQGg0jEHIhPwhTvg7pg. Root cause: Unknown column 'fieldId' in 'field list' | 20:28 |
| SDuensin | That's the only one marked FATAL. | 20:28 |
| @rizen | well that's a problem | 20:31 |
| @rizen | cuz that means that you either upgraded your source | 20:31 |
| @rizen | without upgrading your database | 20:31 |
| @rizen | or you didn't restart apache after an upgrade | 20:31 |
| @rizen | or your upgrade failed | 20:31 |
| @rizen | cuz that field should be in there | 20:32 |
| SDuensin | Ut oh. | 20:32 |
| SDuensin | Should I just panic now? Or skip straight to the pathetic weeping? | 20:33 |
| @rizen | oh wait | 20:33 |
| @rizen | fieldId shouldn't be in that table | 20:33 |
| @rizen | what workflow activity was it running when you got that? | 20:34 |
| SDuensin | Running workflow activity pbwfactivity0000000010, which is a WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::PurgeOldTrash, for instance I9dEiqSxDBZfdAXyDTdx9g. | 20:34 |
| @rizen | ah, ok that's a bug | 20:35 |
| @rizen | do this | 20:35 |
| @rizen | edit EventManagementSystem.pm | 20:35 |
| @rizen | line 1083 | 20:35 |
| @rizen | change fieldId to badgeId | 20:35 |
| @rizen | now you should restart and that workflow will run | 20:37 |
| @rizen | fixed in 7.4.4 | 20:38 |
| SDuensin | In /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/EventManagementSystem.pm ? | 20:38 |
| @rizen | yes | 20:38 |
| SDuensin | Not seeing it on that line. Searching. | 20:39 |
| @rizen | look in the purge() method | 20:39 |
| @rizen | i was looking at subversion | 20:39 |
| @rizen | your version might be different | 20:39 |
| @rizen | it's toward the end of the purge method | 20:40 |
| SDuensin | I see it. Changing. | 20:40 |
| SDuensin | Nice. Thanks! | 20:42 |
| @rizen | you have mistaken my assistance as a magnanimous deed, however muddled the intent, it was in fact just a defect in need of rectification | 20:48 |
| SDuensin | That's OK. I knew you were defective before I asked. | 20:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | In the end it's all Koens fault | 20:50 |
| SDuensin | As long as it's not mine. :-) | 20:50 |
| @rizen | i've made the decision that the etymology of my speech is indigent and requires more opacity to eliminate queries from the unwashed masses | 20:51 |
| @preaction | methinks this dictatorship is in desperate requirement of transfiguration into an oligarchy | 20:52 |
| @rizen | precisely | 20:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | I wonder what the origin the word etymology is =) | 20:53 |
| @preaction | indubiably | 20:53 |
| @rizen | i'm testing new quotes to go in my email signature. which do you like better | 21:04 |
| @rizen | Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. | 21:04 |
| @rizen | or | 21:04 |
| @rizen | In life you have to do a lot of things you don't fucking want to do. Many times, that's what the fuck life is... one vile fucking task after another. | 21:04 |
| @rizen | if only | 21:05 |
| @rizen | sometimes representing a business sucks | 21:05 |
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| @rizen | cuz you can't put stuff like that in your sig | 21:05 |
| SDuensin | Bah. Joke 'em if they can't take a fuck. | 21:06 |
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| perlmonkey2 | OpenCMS doesn't seem to have many features. | 21:33 |
| SDuensin | That's why he told me to run it - not as much for me to break! | 21:34 |
| @rizen | that and it's java based, so you can use it with zkdesktop | 21:35 |
| @rizen | also, if you believe the picture on the front page | 21:36 |
| @rizen | you'll laugh and have a good old time every time you use open cms | 21:37 |
| @rizen | http://www.opencms.org/en/index.html | 21:37 |
| @preaction | <3 generic pictures of people using computers on software websites | 21:38 |
| SDuensin | rizen, you guys should use some of the generic hot-women-borderline-porn photos for ads. It's mostly men installing this thing anyway. :-P | 21:41 |
| @rizen | yeah, but we have lots of churches and schools as clients | 21:42 |
| @rizen | don't think that will go over very well | 21:42 |
| SDuensin | Well, give her a rosery and a ruler. | 21:42 |
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| perlmonkey2 | SDuensin++ | 22:15 |
| danny_mk | rizen: do you know who wrote this sub: http://pastebin.ca/652879 ? | 22:37 |
| @rizen | looks like colin's code but i can't be sure | 22:38 |
| @rizen | colin | 22:38 |
| @rizen | colin = perlDreamer | 22:38 |
| danny_mk | ok, thanks | 22:47 |
| @preaction | no, that's mine | 23:07 |
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| danny_mk | alright preaction, are you still around? | 23:18 |
| danny_mk | nice function by the way, works great. | 23:19 |
| @preaction | yeah | 23:20 |
| danny_mk | By the way is colin the same colin that worked on Scoop a while back? | 23:20 |
| @preaction | dunno | 23:20 |
| danny_mk | I am trying to write a test for the OpenId module. However, the way OpenId works is by using a remote site to authenticate your URI | 23:22 |
| danny_mk | so webgui redirects a request to "x" webstie then on return I parse a couple of the params and do another round trip | 23:23 |
| danny_mk | So far your function and the few tests I have written work great. However, I will still need to see the stuff coming back from the remote site. | 23:24 |
| @preaction | you're going to have to make assumptions about the stuff coming back, and test all possibilities | 23:25 |
| @preaction | (within limits, of course) | 23:25 |
| @preaction | there should be a subroutine in your module that takes the stuff coming back from the remote site and says "yay" or "ney" or whatever it needs to, so you can fashion some responses and test the sub with that | 23:25 |
| @preaction | if later we find bugs with the way some providers return responses to the module, we can add cases in the test | 23:26 |
| @preaction | what do you think it would take to add Yadis support to your OpenID module? | 23:28 |
| @preaction | or, if implementing yadis, wouldn't we need to implement LID or TypeKey as well? | 23:28 |
| danny_mk | are you available by phone? | 23:28 |
| @preaction | not currently, skype is down | 23:28 |
| danny_mk | I can add that stuff later on, after I get these tests written | 23:29 |
| danny_mk | the module works great on my test site (my notebook) however I installed it on one of my servers and something is not happening so I want to get these test done first | 23:29 |
| danny_mk | have you ever done this: $http->send(http://whatever.com); print $http->response(); | 23:30 |
| danny_mk | not specific to the WebGUI api | 23:31 |
| @preaction | using LWP? | 23:32 |
| danny_mk | sure | 23:32 |
| @preaction | yes | 23:32 |
| danny_mk | can I make an assumption that if I write a test using LWP any WebGUI host will be able to support such a test? | 23:33 |
| @preaction | WebGUI requires LWP, yes | 23:34 |
| danny_mk | ok, that is what I will use. | 23:35 |
| danny_mk | I will get input later on Yadis, let me get these tests done first. | 23:35 |
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| danny_mk | Well, it looks like a real test will not work. Duuring an OpenId conversation the consumer must login to the Provider website | 23:58 |
| danny_mk | Then the URI owner must approve the website. I don't think this can be done through a test script. | 23:59 |
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| danny_mk | I think I am going to have to leave the Provider/Consumer conversation out of the tests. | 00:01 |
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| perlmonkey2 | testEvn says I'm missing Graphics::Magick but cpan doens't have that listed. Is that the imagemagick module? | 01:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 01:29 |
| SDuensin | ReHi | 01:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | installing graphicsmagick will also install the perl module | 01:29 |
| perlmonkey2 | cool | 01:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | if your using the wre | 01:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | be sure to set the --prefix and --with-perl options on ./configure | 01:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | or else it will add it to your system perl | 01:30 |
| perlmonkey2 | fedora rpm's. the perl bindings come as a seperate rpm | 01:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 01:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | install those | 01:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | and you'll be fine | 01:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | you aren't using the wre right? | 01:31 |
| perlmonkey2 | Nope, this is a dev install from subversion. I don't need the libs, but saw that testenv had been updated so I ran it. | 01:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 01:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | just making sure | 01:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 01:32 |
| perlmonkey2 | thank :) | 01:32 |
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| * MrN00b just forgot to use strict | 01:33 | |
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| perlmonkey2 | If your name was Mr1337 you wouldn't need strict :P | 01:36 |
| +MrHaigrease | using strict is very leet | 01:36 |
| +MrHaigrease | even the l33tout asset uses it | 01:37 |
| perlmonkey2 | hah | 01:38 |
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| pjesi | is there any solution to https://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/cache-issues ? | 11:53 |
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| sweet18f | hi i'm having this error: ERROR - www.domain.com.conf - WebGUI::Session::ErrorHandler::error[183] - The notFound page could not be instanciated! any one can help ? | 12:29 |
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| Leon | no one ? | 12:31 |
| AMH_henry | what did you specified as notFound page in settings? | 12:32 |
| Leon | default | 12:32 |
| AMH_henry | that page is accessible? | 12:33 |
| Leon | well.. it was | 12:33 |
| Leon | now it isn't | 12:34 |
| AMH_henry | try http://... to it and look for error messages | 12:34 |
| Leon | Internal Server Error | 12:35 |
| AMH_henry | any thing in webgui log? | 12:36 |
| AMH_henry | /var/log/webgui.log | 12:36 |
| Leon | the one i pasted | 12:36 |
| Leon | ERROR - www.domain.com.conf - WebGUI::Session::ErrorHandler::error[183] - The notFound page could not be instanciated! | 12:36 |
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| AMH_henry | did you make any changes to the default page? | 12:37 |
| Leon | shit it seems like it was deleted.. | 12:39 |
| Leon | i can access another page but not the default one | 12:39 |
| Leon | why i'm creating a page called home and its being renamed to home1 etc ? | 12:43 |
| AMH_henry | maybe there is already another one called home. It could be still in the trashcan | 12:43 |
| Leon | no it isn't | 12:44 |
| AMH_henry | not even in system trashcan | 12:44 |
| AMH_henry | in case someone else deleted it | 12:45 |
| Leon | where is the system trashcan | 12:45 |
| Leon | ? | 12:45 |
| AMH_henry | it's in one of the sub-menu´ s on the right | 12:45 |
| Leon | it isn't there too | 12:48 |
| Leon | any other ideas ? | 12:56 |
| AMH_henry | what's the url of your site? | 12:58 |
| Leon | www2,terrasanagroup.com | 12:59 |
| AMH_henry | it cannot display any page at all? | 12:59 |
| Leon | no i can see all other pages | 13:00 |
| Leon | axcept home | 13:00 |
| Leon | http://www2.terrasanagroup.com/userarea | 13:00 |
| AMH_henry | does this work? http://www2.terrasanagroup.com/home?func=edit | 13:01 |
| Leon | nope | 13:02 |
| Leon | is there a way to solve this ? | 13:03 |
| AMH_henry | try changing the default home page to something else in settings | 13:04 |
| AMH_henry | at least you can get a home page that way | 13:04 |
| Leon | is there any kind of page tree to view all pages ? | 13:07 |
| AMH_henry | Assets in Admin Console? | 13:07 |
| AMH_henry | or you can create a navigation asset i guess | 13:08 |
| Leon | why root is not accesable ? mah :/ i'm getting confused | 13:08 |
| AMH_henry | did you login as admin? | 13:09 |
| Leon | yep | 13:09 |
| Leon | i'm getting a blank page | 13:09 |
| AMH_henry | try adding ?func=manageAssets | 13:10 |
| Leon | http://www2.terrasanagroup.com/root?func=manageAssets | 13:10 |
| Leon | blank page | 13:10 |
| AMH_henry | weird.... can you do manageAssets on other pages? | 13:12 |
| Leon | yes | 13:12 |
| Leon | i can't even change the default page from the settings as i can't go into root | 13:14 |
| AMH_henry | you don't need to go into root to change page. you can do that in Show Admin Console and then Settings | 13:15 |
| Leon | yeah i know | 13:16 |
| Leon | but as default its Root | 13:16 |
| Leon | i can't write to it.. so i'll have to press .... button | 13:16 |
| Leon | and to select the page i need to go into the root folder to select a page | 13:16 |
| AMH_henry | ic... weird | 13:18 |
| AMH_henry | any error messages in webgui.log when you access /root? | 13:19 |
| Leon | WARN - www.terrasanagroup.com.conf - WebGUI::Session::ErrorHandler::warn[430] - Visitor (1) connecting from 209.62.91.100 attempted to make a Spectre workflow runner request, but we're only allowed to accept requests from 209.62.91.100/32,127.0.0.1/32. | 13:21 |
| Leon | WARN - www.terrasanagroup.com.conf - WebGUI::Session::ErrorHandler::warn[430] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: root Root cause: Can't call method "getUrl" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm line 229 | 13:23 |
| AMH_henry | you can try putting the site in debug mode .. it might get more info | 13:24 |
| Leon | how can i do that ? | 13:24 |
| AMH_henry | in Settings | 13:24 |
| AMH_henry | then misc. (or something like that) then show debug info | 13:25 |
| AMH_henry | any luck? | 13:31 |
| Leon | nope.. | 13:34 |
| Leon | i'm trying to search in the database for the home | 13:35 |
| Leon | status was pending for home.. | 13:36 |
| Leon | does that mean something | 13:36 |
| Leon | i changed it from pending to approved.. now i can see it | 13:38 |
| Leon | but the pages are locked | 13:38 |
| Leon | sorry the home page is locked and even the articles in it | 13:38 |
| Leon | most of the articles in the website are locked | 13:41 |
| AMH_henry | is spectre running? | 14:03 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 15:39 |
| AMH_henry | good morning! | 15:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | afternoon | 15:39 |
| pjesi | morning | 15:49 |
| pjesi | anyone having problems with syndicated content? | 15:50 |
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| ftorque | hi | 18:19 |
| ftorque | I'm having a problem with CPAN | 18:21 |
| SynQ | hi | 18:22 |
| @Haarg | what kind of problems? | 18:22 |
| SynQ | CPAN? | 18:22 |
| SynQ | my CPAN is working just fine | 18:22 |
| ftorque | It won't install config::JSON http://paste.biz/paste-2660.html | 18:23 |
| SynQ | that is odd\ | 18:23 |
| SynQ | did you use the --force --all options? | 18:23 |
| ftorque | yes I did a force install Config::JSON | 18:23 |
| ftorque | and then answered yes to the append all prerequisites question | 18:24 |
| ftorque | should I use install Config::JSON --force --all options ? | 18:25 |
| @Haarg | it won't work | 18:25 |
| @Haarg | version isn't installing | 18:25 |
| @Haarg | which is a prerequisite | 18:26 |
| SynQ | are you using a mac? | 18:26 |
| ftorque | yes with WRE 0.7.2 | 18:26 |
| SynQ | I don't know anything about a mac | 18:26 |
| SynQ | sorry | 18:27 |
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| SDuensin | Did you . ./setenvironment before running cpan? | 18:27 |
| ftorque | Haarg: I answered yes to the prerequisites question.. But maybe there's a bug in CPAN? | 18:27 |
| @Haarg | it's not a bug | 18:27 |
| @Haarg | it's failing to compile | 18:27 |
| ftorque | well the paths seems to be correct.. /data/wre/prereqs/perl | 18:27 |
| @Haarg | which i'm not sure about | 18:27 |
| @Haarg | but you can install the pure perl version | 18:28 |
| ftorque | so if I do a force install ExtUtils::MakeMaker::_version it won't work anyway? | 18:28 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 18:28 |
| @Haarg | do 'look version' | 18:28 |
| ftorque | Sduensin: I actually called /data/wre/prereqs/perl/bin/cpan | 18:28 |
| @Haarg | then run 'perl Makefile.PL --perl_only' | 18:29 |
| @Haarg | then make, make test, make install | 18:29 |
| SDuensin | ftorque - Yea, but I think it still needs that set so it knows which Perl and such to use. | 18:29 |
| ftorque | SDuensin: but as you can see the paths seems to be correct here.. http://paste.biz/paste-2660.html | 18:30 |
| @Haarg | you should be using setenvironment or running /data/wre/sbin/cpan | 18:30 |
| @Haarg | but i'm not sure that will fix this | 18:31 |
| ftorque | Haarg: I just type "look version" in cpan? | 18:31 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 18:31 |
| ftorque | ok now I'm calling /data/wre/sbin/cpan | 18:32 |
| ftorque | running manual cpan setup again.... | 18:33 |
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| ftorque | ok look version finished | 18:35 |
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| ftorque | ok it installed correctly | 18:37 |
| @Haarg | Config::JSON should install properly now | 18:38 |
| ftorque | woha let's hope | 18:38 |
| ftorque | there are lots of dependencies I'm answering yes to all... | 18:41 |
| ftorque | yeah it passed the final tests and install went OK it seems! | 18:47 |
| ftorque | woha now update to 7.4.3 went ok!! | 18:56 |
| ftorque | Thank you so much Haarg! | 18:56 |
| ftorque | but the script gave a dozen of !!! Could not fix graph configuration for assetId etc. | 18:57 |
| @Haarg | did you switch platforms at some point? | 18:57 |
| ftorque | yes I was the one affected by the Storable problem | 18:58 |
| @Haarg | yeah, there's not really anything you can do about that. | 18:58 |
| @Haarg | unless you went back the the old platform and did the upgrade there. | 18:58 |
| @Haarg | but then any newer ones you created wouldn't work | 18:59 |
| ftorque | but it does affect just the graphs I hope... That "WARNING: If you saw any errors in the output during upgrade restore immediately" phrase is a bit scary :) | 18:59 |
| @Haarg | yeah, it should only effect those graphs | 19:01 |
| @preaction | i suppose i should've explicitly called it a "warning" instead of a !!! | 19:01 |
| ftorque | damnit I still can't enable the pie chart because of the libPNG problem :( | 19:01 |
| ftorque | ah ok so I shouldn't worry preaction | 19:02 |
| @preaction | no, it just means that the script couldn't parse the configuration (meaning you were affected by the bug) | 19:02 |
| ftorque | which is fixed in WRE 0.8.0 I read... Do you know when that will be out? | 19:02 |
| ftorque | ok | 19:02 |
| @preaction | JT's been trucking on it, and it looks insanely awesome, but no ETA that I know of | 19:02 |
| ftorque | actually cap10morgan posted a fix... Perhaps could you help me install that in the WRE 0.7.2? :) http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/libpng-doesnt-build-on-os-x-intel | 19:03 |
| @preaction | if you don't feel qualified to do this, it's not exactly something trivial | 19:04 |
| @preaction | you'd need to download the WRE source, download the updated libpng source, apply those two patches, and then compile libpng and imagemagick | 19:05 |
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| ftorque | I read you transitioned to GraphicsMagick.. Does it still need LibPNG? | 19:06 |
| @preaction | probably, but the WRE 0.8.0 will have updated to a version of libpng that works | 19:06 |
| ftorque | yeah | 19:07 |
| ftorque | I have to go. Later! | 19:19 |
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| sno | Hi preaction | 20:42 |
| sno | I've posted a bug report on the calender events issue and what I did to cause it to happen on a demo site. | 20:42 |
| sno | I'll also be talking to you about the Calendar system in general as I make modifications to Events. | 20:43 |
| sno | If Haarg is around, he's the one who has posted Qs about my report. | 20:45 |
| sno | I have updated the report. | 20:45 |
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| SynQ | hey, where did the versions in the plainblack wiki go? | 00:40 |
| @rizen | what do you mean, they're still there | 00:41 |
| SynQ | now I'm stuck with the 'JRA version' of /community-wiki/wre-installation and I want to use the JT version of it for /community-wiki/wre-0.7.2-on-ubuntu-server-edition-7.04-feisty | 00:41 |
| SynQ | I don't see the 'versions' tab any longer | 00:41 |
| @rizen | it doesn't say versions, it says "history" | 00:41 |
| @rizen | but you should still see it | 00:41 |
| SynQ | or does it have to do with the epiphany browser | 00:41 |
| SynQ | hmm | 00:41 |
| @rizen | as long as your browser is YUI compatible | 00:41 |
| SynQ | :) | 00:42 |
| SynQ | lets see if iceweasel does a better job | 00:42 |
| SynQ | ah | 00:43 |
| SynQ | that helps | 00:43 |
| SynQ | now I do indeed see the 'history' tab again | 00:43 |
| @rizen | whats with you and crazy browsers? | 00:43 |
| SynQ | JT: do you know if sourceforge allows for 500MB+ files? | 00:43 |
| @rizen | why not just use firefox? | 00:44 |
| @rizen | yes | 00:44 |
| SynQ | I installed debian etch yesterday | 00:44 |
| @rizen | i know it allows over 500mb | 00:44 |
| @rizen | i don't know how much over | 00:44 |
| @rizen | but i've downloaded isos from there | 00:44 |
| SynQ | I'm having a great time with KVM | 00:44 |
| @rizen | so it must allow up to about 600mb | 00:44 |
| SynQ | I'll try and get a 'webgui wre pre-installed' image done this weekend | 00:44 |
| @rizen | what is kvm? | 00:45 |
| SynQ | kvm is qemu with amd-v or intel-vt support | 00:45 |
| @rizen | i'm almost done with the new WRE, just trying to work out the final kinks | 00:45 |
| SynQ | using the virtualisation stuff | 00:45 |
| @rizen | then i'll start compiling it for various platforms | 00:45 |
| SynQ | oh | 00:45 |
| SynQ | can I help? | 00:45 |
| SynQ | and debug them | 00:45 |
| @rizen | with the compiling yes | 00:45 |
| SynQ | once you've compiled some | 00:46 |
| SynQ | compiling is fine too | 00:46 |
| @rizen | oh debugging too | 00:46 |
| SynQ | ProcoliX has ordered some kick-ass hardware | 00:46 |
| @rizen | but i need to make sure it works from my point of view before i give it to other people | 00:46 |
| @rizen | if i can't even make it work | 00:46 |
| SynQ | :) | 00:46 |
| @rizen | you definitely won't | 00:46 |
| @rizen | =) | 00:46 |
| SynQ | sure you can | 00:46 |
| SynQ | if you can't, just blame it on me :) | 00:46 |
| @rizen | the new API is going to be marvelous for automated provisioning | 00:46 |
| SynQ | that sounds great | 00:47 |
| SynQ | gimme gimme | 00:47 |
| SynQ | I talked to Arjen today | 00:47 |
| @rizen | so you're all for the stable/unstable branch thing eh? | 00:47 |
| @rizen | oh yeah, what did he have to say? | 00:47 |
| SynQ | and I promised Bart that next year we'll go to the wuc again | 00:47 |
| @rizen | next year! | 00:47 |
| SynQ | he was visiting Oqapi | 00:47 |
| SynQ | yups | 00:47 |
| SynQ | next year! | 00:47 |
| @rizen | what makes you think we'll even have one next year | 00:47 |
| SynQ | I can just feel it | 00:48 |
| @rizen | hehe | 00:48 |
| SynQ | and yes I am all for the stable/unstable branch thing | 00:48 |
| @rizen | we basically have to break even from year to year in order to have the next year | 00:48 |
| SynQ | what's more, I'm sending Bart to a perl-course | 00:48 |
| @rizen | now that i've heard all those people say they are for it | 00:49 |
| @rizen | i'm going to definitely *not* do it | 00:49 |
| SynQ | huh | 00:49 |
| @rizen | i can't give the people what they want | 00:49 |
| SynQ | why not? | 00:49 |
| SynQ | ah | 00:49 |
| @rizen | that wouldn't be very JTish | 00:49 |
| @rizen | SynQ is the man of the people, not rizen | 00:49 |
| SynQ | maybe I'll have to *USE* more *EMPHASIS* on all my important *WORDS* then. >:) | 00:49 |
| @rizen | hehe | 00:49 |
| SynQ | in JRA style | 00:49 |
| @rizen | or just drink more coffee | 00:50 |
| SynQ | get more sleep | 00:50 |
| @rizen | everything is better with more coffee | 00:50 |
| @rizen | or should i say more caffine | 00:50 |
| SynQ | my wife says hi | 00:50 |
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| SynQ | you want to know about the kick-ass hardware? | 00:51 |
| @rizen | sure | 00:51 |
| @rizen | hi back | 00:51 |
| SynQ | It's blades | 00:51 |
| @rizen | and shouldn't you be in bed? | 00:51 |
| @rizen | it's got to be midnight or later there | 00:52 |
| SynQ | two chassis with 6 dual processor quad core xeon's with each blade 16Gb of ram | 00:52 |
| SynQ | its 8 to midnight | 00:52 |
| @rizen | 16GB? | 00:52 |
| SynQ | sure | 00:52 |
| @rizen | 8 cores? | 00:53 |
| @rizen | that's huge | 00:53 |
| SynQ | indeed | 00:53 |
| @rizen | this is for webgui? | 00:53 |
| @rizen | or something else? | 00:53 |
| SynQ | it's only the beginning | 00:53 |
| SynQ | it's for more sleep and less worries | 00:53 |
| SynQ | using virtual machines for everything | 00:53 |
| SynQ | and cluster technologies | 00:53 |
| SynQ | but yes, we are going to run WebGUI on it too | 00:54 |
| @rizen | i find that going much further than dual xeon with 2gig of ram is a waste for webgui unless you use a san with each machine | 00:54 |
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| @rizen | cuz you run into spindle speed problems | 00:54 |
| SynQ | I have to help make the bed, be back in a jiffy | 00:54 |
| SynQ | vm's are going to have max 1Gb | 00:54 |
| SynQ | and yes we are going to get a SAN or SAN-like solution too | 00:55 |
| @rizen | let me know what you go with on that front, cuz i'm looking for new storage technologies and techniques | 00:55 |
| perlmonkey2 | me too | 00:56 |
| SynQ | can I post it on the dev-list? | 00:57 |
| perlmonkey2 | Coraid has AoE, looks like you can do 24Tb for about $7k using WD 1Tb SATAs | 00:57 |
| @rizen | you can put whatever you want on the dev list | 00:58 |
| @rizen | especially porn | 00:58 |
| SynQ | oeh | 01:04 |
| SynQ | hardware porn | 01:04 |
| SynQ | perlmonkey2: it's not the size that matters | 01:06 |
| SynQ | and WD 1Tb SATA's are dead slow | 01:06 |
| SynQ | we now have a 16 disk 500Gb setup with an areca raid controller for backups | 01:07 |
| SynQ | but that is not what you want for SAN | 01:07 |
| perlmonkey2 | A SAS SAN just seems like an incredible waste of money. Is the performance increase worth it? | 01:08 |
| SynQ | I don't know, that depends on the setup I guess | 01:08 |
| SynQ | what I'm looking for is a good combination of maintainability with performance | 01:09 |
| perlmonkey2 | Tom's had WD rated faster than the 750 barracudas....but then the barracudas aren't that fast either. | 01:09 |
| SynQ | In short, a system that just always works | 01:09 |
| perlmonkey2 | hah, good luck with that. | 01:09 |
| SynQ | thanks, I'll need it | 01:09 |
| SynQ | :) | 01:09 |
| SynQ | I think the trick will be done by spending a lot of money on it | 01:10 |
| SynQ | we are also in the process of negotiating about a dual datacenter setup | 01:10 |
| perlmonkey2 | SynQ: Yes, high performance SAN's seem to start at about 30K just to get into the game. | 01:10 |
| SynQ | the blades I just ordered are also in that ballpark | 01:11 |
| perlmonkey2 | I'll stick with my slow 24TB for $7K Ata/ethernet :) | 01:11 |
| SynQ | what raid controllers are in that system? | 01:12 |
| perlmonkey2 | I couldn't make blades make sense for our systems. Just cheaper to build power workstations. | 01:13 |
| perlmonkey2 | Coraid has their own controllers....doesn't say who they use. | 01:13 |
| perlmonkey2 | Their "Advanced RAID Controller" uses "Coraid's RAIDShield(TM)". Hmm....sounds kind of fishy to me. | 01:14 |
| SynQ | it does | 01:14 |
| SynQ | for us blades make sense since they are cheaper then employees are | 01:15 |
| SynQ | and they promise less hardware fiddlin' | 01:15 |
| perlmonkey2 | That makes cents to me :) | 01:15 |
| perlmonkey2 | But I'm a one man show, and I need to squeeze as much cpu power as I can out of each dollar. Plus the uni picks up the air conditioning and electricty tab on our closet. | 01:16 |
| SynQ | you have no girlfriend/wife? | 01:18 |
| perlmonkey2 | me? | 01:18 |
| * SynQ looks around | 01:19 | |
| SynQ | yes, you! :) | 01:19 |
| perlmonkey2 | What makes you think that? | 01:19 |
| * perlmonkey2 is curious | 01:19 | |
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| SynQ | maintaining boxes costs us a lot of time, time that is better spent on finding out better software configurations | 01:19 |
| SynQ | plus, our data-center bill is +3000 euro's a month now | 01:20 |
| SynQ | if I wasn't married I'd spend a lot more time on my job | 01:20 |
| SynQ | and even now I've just been asked to 'get away from the computer and come to bed please' | 01:21 |
| perlmonkey2 | I'm trying to figure out how to find another job, where I can telecommute. I work waaaaay too much at this one. | 01:21 |
| perlmonkey2 | hah | 01:21 |
| SynQ | its half past midnight here | 01:21 |
| perlmonkey2 | SynQ, our grant sponsor makes that arguement all the time about hardware being cheaper than my time or any employee. But it just pains me to buy expensive Dell/IBM when I don't really believe it saves configuration time. | 01:22 |
| perlmonkey2 | But it sounds late there. Perhaps your wife has a point :) | 01:22 |
| SynQ | I've bought supermicro blade servers, they were not that expensive as dell or ibm or hp blade servers | 01:23 |
| SynQ | I'm not done drinking my beer yet | 01:23 |
| perlmonkey2 | heh | 01:23 |
| SynQ | since I only drink during the weekends lately I'm now enjoying the start of the weekend | 01:24 |
| SynQ | with a nice belgian one | 01:24 |
| SynQ | and I haven't finished it yet | 01:25 |
| perlmonkey2 | Hmm....these supermicro's come in dual-proc quad core.....so far so good. | 01:25 |
| SynQ | jt: I think you should photoshop a feather on yungs 'the people behind webgui' photo | 01:25 |
| SynQ | 16Gb per blade is the best bang for the buck | 01:26 |
| SynQ | and then we are going to run KVM on it | 01:26 |
| SynQ | which is a vm software thing just like xen or vmware | 01:27 |
| @rizen | what do you mean "photoshop feather" | 01:27 |
| @rizen | you mean edit the image to put a feather in it? | 01:27 |
| SynQ | that :) | 01:28 |
| SynQ | the webgui indian | 01:28 |
| @rizen | to make him look native american? | 01:28 |
| SynQ | that is a very politically correct word for it yes | 01:28 |
| SynQ | not very JT-ish | 01:29 |
| SynQ | damn, I wish I could come to the wuc | 01:29 |
| SynQ | just for the 'stump the chump' sessions | 01:29 |
| @rizen | why can't you? | 01:31 |
| @rizen | it would be great to see you. it's been a couple years | 01:31 |
| SynQ | It's quite expensive | 01:31 |
| @rizen | i think the last time was when i came to holland, wasn't it? | 01:31 |
| SynQ | I've just spent all the money on servers ;) | 01:32 |
| @rizen | that's true...but it's worth it to see me | 01:32 |
| SynQ | you are probably right | 01:32 |
| @rizen | =) | 01:32 |
| SynQ | as allways | 01:32 |
| @rizen | besides, if you want to save a few bucks, you can stay at my house | 01:32 |
| SynQ | but last time in vegas I was a bit sick all the time | 01:32 |
| @rizen | it's only about 4 blocks from the hotel | 01:32 |
| SynQ | hmmm, tempting | 01:32 |
| @rizen | i'm not staying at the hotel this year either for the first time in wuc history | 01:33 |
| SynQ | what is the value of one karma point on the plainblack site? | 01:33 |
| @rizen | since it's so close | 01:33 |
| @rizen | you mean a $ value? | 01:33 |
| @rizen | it doesn't have one | 01:33 |
| SynQ | no, I mean how many nights can I stay at your house for x karma points? | 01:34 |
| @rizen | hehe | 01:34 |
| @rizen | you can stay at my house for as many nights as you're stateside | 01:34 |
| SynQ | now that would be great value | 01:34 |
| @rizen | no karma required | 01:34 |
| SynQ | hmm | 01:34 |
| SynQ | damn, you are making it hard for me | 01:35 |
| SynQ | I'll reconsider this week | 01:35 |
| @rizen | if bart will sleep on the couch, he can stay too | 01:35 |
| SynQ | recalculate :) | 01:35 |
| SynQ | ah | 01:35 |
| @rizen | i only have one spare bedroom | 01:35 |
| SynQ | bart is getting his driving license soon (I hope) | 01:35 |
| @rizen | sarah and i are in one, you get the other, and bart can stay on one of our two couches | 01:35 |
| SynQ | I'll discuss it with Bart on monday | 01:36 |
| @rizen | he doesn't have one? | 01:36 |
| SynQ | nope | 01:36 |
| SynQ | but he will have soon | 01:36 |
| SynQ | and he's loving it | 01:36 |
| SynQ | driving | 01:36 |
| @rizen | then he can drive your car like a crazy person...similar to you | 01:36 |
| SynQ | oeh | 01:36 |
| SynQ | I hope not | 01:36 |
| SynQ | with the 4,4 litre V8 | 01:36 |
| SynQ | it's very delicate to drive, my car, before you know it you are driving 200 miles an hour | 01:37 |
| SynQ | it's a racing machine | 01:37 |
| SynQ | BMW 540i touring | 01:37 |
| SynQ | but hey, let's not talk about cars | 01:38 |
| SynQ | lets talk about that stable/development stuff | 01:38 |
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| SynQ | why wouldn't you do it? seriously | 01:38 |
| SynQ | what are the arguments against it? | 01:38 |
| SynQ | you don't want to talk about it? | 01:41 |
| @rizen | sorry | 01:45 |
| @rizen | was on phone | 01:45 |
| SynQ | ah | 01:45 |
| @rizen | i thought you were going to be? | 01:45 |
| @rizen | bed? | 01:45 |
| SynQ | I give myself 15 more minutes | 01:45 |
| @rizen | why i wouldn't do it is that it's a lot more work for us | 01:45 |
| SynQ | dunno what time it is over there | 01:45 |
| SynQ | and what day for that matter | 01:46 |
| @rizen | 15 to 6pm | 01:46 |
| @rizen | friday | 01:46 |
| SynQ | ah | 01:46 |
| SynQ | 7 hours early | 01:46 |
| @rizen | or 17:45 in eurospeak | 01:46 |
| SynQ | :) | 01:46 |
| SynQ | eurospeak | 01:46 |
| SynQ | and with us you mean all plainblack staff and all other developers | 01:46 |
| @rizen | anyway the only reason not to do it is that it's more work for pb | 01:47 |
| @rizen | no it's really just more for pb | 01:47 |
| SynQ | ah | 01:47 |
| @rizen | because the "more" is part of release management | 01:47 |
| @rizen | and pb does all release management | 01:47 |
| SynQ | I know | 01:47 |
| SynQ | and I think you are right | 01:47 |
| SynQ | but then again, if getting stable/development in place gets webgui on a better level that will probably also be mostly benificial to PB | 01:48 |
| @rizen | preaction has been trying to convince me to build an entirely new upgrade system that relies upon patch/diff instead of upgrade files | 01:48 |
| SynQ | preaction? | 01:48 |
| @rizen | you're right...some clients will be happier for sure, and that's beneficial to us | 01:48 |
| @rizen | preaction = doug bell = one of my programmers | 01:49 |
| SynQ | I will be a lot happier | 01:49 |
| @rizen | no offense but you're not a client | 01:49 |
| @rizen | you're a user | 01:49 |
| SynQ | :) | 01:49 |
| @rizen | big difference in my world | 01:49 |
| SynQ | didn't I just order a few books from plainblack? | 01:49 |
| @rizen | i don't know, did you? | 01:49 |
| SynQ | ProcoliX did | 01:49 |
| SynQ | they arrived in a half drowned state | 01:50 |
| SynQ | :) | 01:50 |
| @rizen | hmmm. i haven't seen that order go through..but i don't monitor it that closely anymore | 01:50 |
| SynQ | but bart is taking that up with lulu | 01:50 |
| @rizen | i was going to say, they never even touch our hands | 01:50 |
| SynQ | I'm probably going to order some more books soon | 01:50 |
| SynQ | does that make me a client? | 01:50 |
| @rizen | i suppose so | 01:50 |
| @rizen | a small one | 01:50 |
| @rizen | =) | 01:50 |
| SynQ | hehe | 01:50 |
| SynQ | would it help if I got a subscription to one of your 'small hosting' packages? | 01:51 |
| @rizen | it's sort of weighted like this for me: user / contributor / client / rockstar | 01:51 |
| SynQ | ah | 01:51 |
| SynQ | ok | 01:51 |
| @rizen | Sarah eagerly awaits your arrival | 01:52 |
| @rizen | and she humbly requests you bring your wife | 01:53 |
| @rizen | =) | 01:53 |
| SynQ | so a client that pays pb 20 a month is more important than a contributor? | 01:53 |
| SynQ | uh | 01:53 |
| SynQ | bring my wife | 01:53 |
| SynQ | hmm | 01:53 |
| SynQ | good idea | 01:54 |
| SynQ | I'll ask her | 01:54 |
| @rizen | depends upon what the contributor does | 01:54 |
| SynQ | the contributor creates half done wiki pages :) | 01:54 |
| @rizen | once they've made it to "people behind webgui" status | 01:54 |
| @rizen | or contributor of the year | 01:54 |
| @rizen | then they're above client | 01:55 |
| @rizen | so i should probably do | 01:55 |
| SynQ | above the 20$ client? | 01:55 |
| @rizen | user / contributor / < $1000 yr client / pbwg / < $5k yr client / contributor of the year / >$5k yr client / rockstar | 01:56 |
| @rizen | hehe | 01:56 |
| @rizen | but that's much more confusing | 01:56 |
| SynQ | that is much clearer to me :) | 01:56 |
| SynQ | what is pbwg? | 01:56 |
| @rizen | people behind webgui | 01:56 |
| @rizen | like yung | 01:56 |
| SynQ | ah | 01:56 |
| @rizen | althought technically yung is both pbwg and client | 01:57 |
| SynQ | ok | 01:57 |
| SynQ | not to be harsh, but just to be sure... | 01:57 |
| @rizen | incidentally, you're more than contributor or client | 01:59 |
| SynQ | martin (who has made contributor of the year) is more important to you than I am, since you see me more like a 'user' even though ProcoliX has payed for quite a significat part of martin's his time that got him to be contributor of the year? | 01:59 |
| @rizen | cuz you're friend | 01:59 |
| @rizen | and friend isn't in that list | 01:59 |
| SynQ | :) | 01:59 |
| SynQ | friend is above that list? | 01:59 |
| SynQ | not to be placed in any category? | 02:00 |
| SynQ | isn't martin friend too? | 02:00 |
| @rizen | friend can't be defined by that list | 02:00 |
| @rizen | because it has nothing to do with time or money | 02:00 |
| @rizen | that's a time/money list | 02:00 |
| SynQ | to be friend you first have to be able to insult you without getting kicked in the face? ;) | 02:01 |
| @rizen | and yes, martin, and most of the dutch team for that matter is in that friend category | 02:01 |
| @rizen | indeed | 02:01 |
| SynQ | ok | 02:01 |
| SynQ | now I understand fully | 02:01 |
| @rizen | there was a time i used to kick you in the face often | 02:01 |
| @rizen | =) | 02:01 |
| SynQ | how much does rockstar cost? | 02:01 |
| SynQ | ;) | 02:01 |
| @rizen | it starts at $30k per year | 02:01 |
| SynQ | man, that is almost for free | 02:01 |
| @rizen | but we don't have anyone using that small of a rockstar client | 02:02 |
| @rizen | contract | 02:02 |
| SynQ | that is odd | 02:02 |
| @rizen | i believe all of them are >$100k | 02:02 |
| @rizen | currently | 02:02 |
| SynQ | all one of them? | 02:02 |
| @rizen | 3 | 02:02 |
| SynQ | gosh | 02:02 |
| @rizen | all 3 of them | 02:03 |
| SynQ | now I'm sure there will be a wuc next year :) | 02:03 |
| @rizen | rockstar has nothing to do with wuc, unless they include wuc tickets in their rockstar contract | 02:03 |
| @rizen | which so far none have | 02:03 |
| SynQ | damn | 02:03 |
| @rizen | its funny cuz they each always have at least one person show up | 02:04 |
| SynQ | If I make more than EUR 100000 per year I'll want to get one of them rockstar contracts | 02:04 |
| @rizen | oh please...you make more than that | 02:04 |
| @rizen | you're a super successful hosting company | 02:04 |
| SynQ | sure I do | 02:04 |
| @rizen | i don't mean you personally | 02:04 |
| SynQ | that is why I drive a 10 year old BMW | 02:04 |
| @rizen | i mean you ProcoliX | 02:05 |
| SynQ | turnover yes | 02:05 |
| SynQ | but profit | 02:05 |
| @rizen | oh i c | 02:05 |
| @rizen | yeah profit is a different story | 02:05 |
| SynQ | ProcoliX turnover this year will probably be around 300K euro's | 02:05 |
| @rizen | we'll be more than that, but we do more than just hosting too | 02:06 |
| SynQ | and PB has more employees | 02:06 |
| @rizen | yeah, our payroll scares me | 02:06 |
| SynQ | we have 4,6 FTE starting october 1st | 02:06 |
| SynQ | now we have 3,6 | 02:06 |
| SynQ | how much FTE has PB got? | 02:07 |
| @rizen | what is 3,6? | 02:07 |
| @rizen | 3 full and 6 part? | 02:07 |
| SynQ | that is 4 people working 3,6 full time hours | 02:07 |
| SynQ | FTE = Full Time Employee | 02:07 |
| @rizen | we have 8 full time and 1 part time, plus the gaggle of contractors that we hire for project work | 02:07 |
| SynQ | full time is 36 up to 40hours a week | 02:08 |
| SynQ | we almost don't do contractors | 02:08 |
| @rizen | for us FTE = salaried | 02:08 |
| SynQ | ah ok | 02:08 |
| SynQ | 8 is a lot | 02:08 |
| @rizen | we did have 9 | 02:08 |
| @rizen | but one quit a month ago | 02:08 |
| @rizen | we're seeing how the ebb and tide of project work goes before we hire another | 02:09 |
| SynQ | your annual turnover should be arount 1Million a year | 02:09 |
| @rizen | i don't discuss such numbers publicly | 02:09 |
| @rizen | =) | 02:09 |
| SynQ | I do | 02:09 |
| SynQ | they are publicly available at the end of the year anyway | 02:10 |
| @rizen | really? | 02:10 |
| @rizen | not for us | 02:10 |
| SynQ | I have to publish them at the chaimber of commerce | 02:10 |
| @rizen | ah | 02:10 |
| @rizen | we're not a member of the chamber of commerce | 02:10 |
| @rizen | so we don't have to | 02:10 |
| SynQ | so I might as well tell it to anybody | 02:10 |
| SynQ | plus, I don't do in secrets | 02:10 |
| SynQ | I am an open book | 02:10 |
| SynQ | that is so much easier | 02:11 |
| @rizen | i don't want to keep secrets, but i have customers who prefer that we keep that data private | 02:11 |
| SynQ | and turnover doesn't say anything about your profits | 02:11 |
| SynQ | ah | 02:11 |
| @rizen | as they contribute significant amounts of money to our bottom line | 02:11 |
| SynQ | I'm not telling you anything about how much a costumer pays us too | 02:11 |
| SynQ | I am not allowed to | 02:11 |
| SynQ | but I can tell you ballpark turnover figures | 02:12 |
| SynQ | so I can also tell you that I'm spending about 30% of our anual turnover on hardware | 02:12 |
| @rizen | my goal is to double our total revenue each year | 02:12 |
| @rizen | for the first 5 i did it, and i'm on track for year 6 | 02:13 |
| SynQ | revenue = profit? | 02:13 |
| @rizen | revenue = turnover | 02:13 |
| SynQ | ah | 02:13 |
| SynQ | ok | 02:13 |
| SynQ | I want to explode in the next two years | 02:13 |
| @rizen | our datacenter bill is around $7k per month | 02:13 |
| SynQ | quadruple the turnover in 2008 | 02:13 |
| SynQ | is that including renting all servers? | 02:14 |
| @rizen | yup | 02:14 |
| SynQ | that is ok | 02:14 |
| SynQ | not too expensive | 02:14 |
| @rizen | no, all in all it's pretty inexpensive | 02:14 |
| SynQ | for me that is not so easy to say | 02:14 |
| SynQ | since we own most of the servers | 02:15 |
| @rizen | but that's what you specialize in too | 02:15 |
| SynQ | but I guess it's about 20k euro per month | 02:15 |
| @rizen | i'm certain we don't do things as high end as you | 02:15 |
| SynQ | no | 02:15 |
| SynQ | that is way to much | 02:15 |
| SynQ | more like 15K | 02:15 |
| SynQ | the theaters are great to do | 02:15 |
| SynQ | peaks of 3000 visitors + | 02:15 |
| SynQ | all wanting to order a ticket for one particular show | 02:16 |
| SynQ | and with 3000 I mean 3000 per second | 02:16 |
| SynQ | requests | 02:16 |
| @rizen | wow | 02:17 |
| SynQ | and them servers are still doing nothing :) | 02:17 |
| @rizen | amazing | 02:17 |
| SynQ | since it's all php code | 02:17 |
| SynQ | and load-balanced over 4 systems | 02:17 |
| SynQ | but I'd like to do that with webgui next year | 02:17 |
| SynQ | on our new blade infrastructure | 02:18 |
| SynQ | but hey | 02:18 |
| SynQ | it's 15 past 1 | 02:19 |
| SynQ | I should really go to bed | 02:19 |
| @rizen | that's what i want to do with the pure perl stack | 02:19 |
| @rizen | yes you should | 02:19 |
| SynQ | pure perl sounds good | 02:19 |
| SynQ | and then compiled pure perl | 02:19 |
| SynQ | that sounds even better | 02:19 |
| @rizen | bah | 02:19 |
| @rizen | sweet dreams | 02:19 |
| SynQ | thanks | 02:19 |
| SynQ | chat to you tomorrow? | 02:20 |
| @rizen | i'll prbably be around | 02:20 |
| SynQ | somewhere around the same time? | 02:20 |
| @rizen | working on wre all weekend | 02:20 |
| SynQ | or earlier? | 02:20 |
| SynQ | ok | 02:20 |
| @rizen | i'll probably be on all day all weekend | 02:20 |
| SynQ | I'll get you access to some of my newly created vm's | 02:20 |
| SynQ | I've got 3 AMD X2 systems with 4Gb ram | 02:21 |
| SynQ | :) | 02:21 |
| SynQ | just to play with | 02:21 |
| @rizen | nice | 02:21 |
| SynQ | although not behind too big network connections | 02:21 |
| SynQ | but then again | 02:21 |
| SynQ | enough to compile the new WRE on | 02:21 |
| SynQ | ok | 02:21 |
| SynQ | nite | 02:21 |
| SynQ | ~ | 02:21 |
| perlmonkey2 | YUI Compressor 1.0 Released. | 02:24 |
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| SDuensin | Anybody alive? | 06:22 |
| @rizen | indeed | 06:24 |
| SDuensin | Hey bud. | 06:25 |
| SDuensin | I can't for the life of me figure out how to generate a set of nested <ul><li></li></ul> type stuff for a navigation template. | 06:25 |
| @rizen | it's very tricky | 06:26 |
| @rizen | although i believe that steve made a default template that comes with webgui that does it | 06:27 |
| SDuensin | I've yet to find it if so. | 06:27 |
| @rizen | it's there | 06:27 |
| @rizen | do this | 06:27 |
| @rizen | go to asset manager > search | 06:27 |
| @rizen | select template as the class time | 06:27 |
| @rizen | type | 06:27 |
| @rizen | and search for "list" | 06:27 |
| @rizen | i think that will findit | 06:28 |
| SDuensin | Oh, and why does WebGUI completely blow the template in the admin menus? | 06:28 |
| SDuensin | Happens all the time! | 06:28 |
| @rizen | i have no idea what you've just said, let alone what you're talking about | 06:30 |
| SDuensin | hehehe | 06:30 |
| SDuensin | I can send you a screenshot. | 06:30 |
| @rizen | if it's a bug why not just post it | 06:32 |
| SDuensin | I don't know if it's a bug. :-P | 06:32 |
| SDuensin | Not finding that nav template. | 06:34 |
| SDuensin | Maybe I just did. Reading. | 06:35 |
| @rizen | [ WebGUI 7.4.3-beta / 7.3.22-stable | WRE 0.7.2 ] .:. Come To The WUC http://webgui.org/wuc | 06:44 |
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| @rizen | incidentally steve says it's easier if you enable HTML::Template::Expr | 06:45 |
| * SDuensin will take your word for it. | 06:46 | |
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| danny_mk | Well, I finally found the bug! | 15:49 |
| danny_mk | it helps to read the API perldocs :-) | 15:50 |
| danny_mk | anyway, I was asked to provide a website where WebGUI users can see the module in action. | 15:52 |
| danny_mk | I know my system would not take a heavy load if it got too many hits. Is there a WebGUI testing system where I can install this module for user tests? | 15:53 |
| danny_mk | brb | 16:00 |
| SynQ | how much is heavy load? | 16:13 |
| SynQ | what kind of load do you expect | 16:13 |
| SynQ | and how long should that site run? | 16:13 |
| danny_mk | well, my 4 websites are only running off one server and although the server can probably take a lot of hits I just wanted to make sure the system | 16:14 |
| danny_mk | can take it. | 16:14 |
| SynQ | ok | 16:15 |
| danny_mk | in my case I don't know what would be considered a heavy load for my server, I have never tested the sysems performance | 16:15 |
| SynQ | when do you need it up and running? | 16:15 |
| SynQ | and how long for | 16:15 |
| danny_mk | I bet if it ran for a couple weeks that would be long enough. | 16:16 |
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| danny_mk | OpenId is in its infancy stage but sooner rather than later would be best | 16:17 |
| SynQ | what are the specs of the server you have now? | 16:18 |
| danny_mk | You know what, I am going to take a chance. I will setup a new webgui website where the users can see it in action. | 16:19 |
| SynQ | that's the spirit | 16:19 |
| danny_mk | I will do that sometime this afternoon. It occurs to me that I have never tested that server anyway and this is as good a time as any :-) | 16:20 |
| SynQ | you could also try and hit your server with ab before you do that | 16:21 |
| danny_mk | ab? | 16:21 |
| SynQ | apache bench | 16:21 |
| danny_mk | ah! | 16:22 |
| danny_mk | cool, will do that. Thank you for the suggestions. | 16:22 |
| SynQ | no prob | 16:22 |
| danny_mk | have to go feed the animals now. Take care. | 16:22 |
| SynQ | yea, I'm gonna walk the dog too | 16:22 |
| SynQ | bye | 16:22 |
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| @rizen | synq, you shouldn't talk about your wife that way | 18:05 |
| SynQ | hehe | 18:24 |
| SynQ | I actually do have a dog | 18:25 |
| SynQ | good morning by the way | 18:25 |
| SynQ | I've just opened a beer :) | 18:25 |
| @rizen | have one for me | 18:25 |
| @rizen | i'm going to need it | 18:25 |
| SynQ | why is that? | 18:26 |
| SynQ | oh, I've been reading the backlog | 18:26 |
| @rizen | well i've got a full day of WRE debugging and compiling ahead of me | 18:26 |
| SynQ | I read your arguments for not having a vmware image | 18:26 |
| @rizen | and our server is being attacked by the search engines | 18:26 |
| SynQ | now I am in the process of creating kvm as a webgui imageplatfrom | 18:27 |
| SynQ | platform even | 18:27 |
| @rizen | yahoo, msn, google, and a few small ones have been all simultaneously indexing our site for the past 10 hours | 18:27 |
| SynQ | nice | 18:27 |
| @rizen | no | 18:27 |
| SynQ | not? | 18:27 |
| @rizen | it's killing the server | 18:27 |
| SynQ | is it on a single server? | 18:27 |
| @rizen | yes | 18:27 |
| SynQ | aww | 18:28 |
| @rizen | the problem is mainly spindle speed | 18:28 |
| SynQ | I understand | 18:28 |
| SynQ | what os / distro are you using? | 18:28 |
| @rizen | rhel | 18:29 |
| SynQ | and is it freely downloadable/installable? | 18:29 |
| @rizen | there's centos | 18:29 |
| @rizen | which is the same thing | 18:29 |
| @rizen | and free | 18:29 |
| SynQ | but you're using the paid stuff | 18:29 |
| @rizen | yup | 18:29 |
| SynQ | ah ok | 18:29 |
| SynQ | that's too bad then | 18:29 |
| @rizen | we get security patches faster | 18:29 |
| @rizen | and we get the paid version for free from our data center anyway | 18:30 |
| SynQ | if it were free I could try and supply you with a vm to compile stuff | 18:30 |
| @rizen | huh?? | 18:30 |
| SynQ | virtual machine | 18:30 |
| @rizen | why do i need a vm to compile stuff? | 18:30 |
| @rizen | i already have a vmware server farm for compiling stuff | 18:30 |
| SynQ | ah | 18:31 |
| SynQ | ok | 18:31 |
| SynQ | never mind | 18:31 |
| SynQ | is there any chance I get to see that nice new WRE in the coming few days? | 18:31 |
| @rizen | that's why i'm working so hard on it | 18:36 |
| SynQ | ok | 18:36 |
| SynQ | don't let me distract you then | 18:36 |
| SynQ | I'll keep on working on a kvm image for webgui | 18:37 |
| SynQ | using wre 0.7.2 | 18:37 |
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| @rizen | SynQ if you're around i could use some assistance | 21:00 |
| @rizen | I'm getting [Sat Aug 18 12:45:30 2007] [notice] child pid 6055 exit signal Bus error (10) in my modperl error log on the new WRE | 21:00 |
| @rizen | and i can't figure out what that means | 21:00 |
| @rizen | it was running at one point | 21:00 |
| SynQ | hmm | 21:01 |
| SynQ | any google entry I find about that is talking about out of memory problems | 21:09 |
| @preaction_ | i'm finding ones about memory hardware faults or other hardware faults | 21:10 |
| @rizen | the only entry i found about it says that i'm using an apache module that was compiled for a different version of apache than i'm using | 21:10 |
| @rizen | but everything was compiled at the same time | 21:10 |
| @rizen | from scratch | 21:10 |
| SynQ | I'd bet on the memory stuff | 21:10 |
| @preaction_ | that'd cause sigsegv, not sigbus | 21:10 |
| SynQ | either you have broken memory or you are out of memory | 21:10 |
| @rizen | so my box is failing? | 21:10 |
| @preaction_ | run memtest86 to find out | 21:10 |
| SynQ | dunno, but it wouldn't hurt to run a memtest | 21:10 |
| @rizen | this is my mac | 21:11 |
| @rizen | can't run tht | 21:11 |
| SynQ | aw | 21:11 |
| @rizen | however, i'll take a look at memory whilst trying to start it | 21:11 |
| @rizen | see what that turns up | 21:11 |
| @rizen | thanks for the tip | 21:11 |
| @rizen | my machine is reporting 130MB free whilst trying to start it | 21:13 |
| @rizen | i'm going to try rebooting though, cuz i haven't done that in a while and this machine gets funny when i don't | 21:13 |
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| SynQ | hmm | 21:15 |
| SynQ | funny machine :) | 21:15 |
| SynQ | maybe you should get a new one | 21:15 |
| @rizen | yeah, i need a new one | 21:17 |
| @rizen | but i'm waiting for the new OSX to come out in october | 21:17 |
| @rizen | before buying one | 21:17 |
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| SynQ | hi there mr. smith | 21:25 |
| @rizen | howdy | 21:25 |
| SynQ | did the rebooting help? | 21:25 |
| @rizen | nope, but my machine is running faster now | 21:25 |
| SynQ | grin | 21:25 |
| @rizen | and shows far more ram available | 21:25 |
| @rizen | i have another idea though | 21:26 |
| SynQ | which is? | 21:26 |
| @rizen | i'll tell you if it works | 21:26 |
| @rizen | nevermind it does work now | 21:32 |
| @rizen | at least in the sense that it starts up | 21:32 |
| @rizen | i'm still getting the error though | 21:37 |
| @rizen | even though it's running | 21:37 |
| @rizen | i think i'm going to have to recompile at this point | 21:38 |
| @rizen | no other ideas | 21:38 |
| SynQ | hmm | 21:47 |
| SynQ | I don't know what your setup is | 21:47 |
| @rizen | setup = fucked up | 21:47 |
| SynQ | I'm struggling with wre 0.7.2 now | 21:48 |
| SynQ | but I guess you are not really interested in that | 21:48 |
| SynQ | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wre-0.7.2-on-ubuntu-server-edition-7.04-feisty | 21:48 |
| SynQ | it seems ubuntu doesn't recognize the 'source' command | 21:48 |
| @rizen | yeah | 21:49 |
| @rizen | someone said that if you edit the first line of | 21:49 |
| @rizen | the /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/share/mysql/mysql.server script | 21:49 |
| @rizen | to be #!/bin/bash | 21:49 |
| @rizen | that fixes it | 21:49 |
| SynQ | ok, lets try | 21:50 |
| SynQ | that is not in the wiki btw :) | 21:50 |
| @rizen | that's a bug in MySQL on Ubuntu | 21:50 |
| @rizen | i don't maintain the wiki | 21:50 |
| @rizen | complain to the community | 21:50 |
| SynQ | :) | 21:50 |
| SynQ | it is in the wiki now | 21:50 |
| SynQ | I am the community ;) | 21:51 |
| @rizen | indeed | 21:51 |
| SynQ | now I'm going to eat first | 21:52 |
| SynQ | bbl | 21:52 |
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| @rizen | i just shaved 13mb off the WRE's compressed size | 02:41 |
| @rizen | and 60mb off it's deployed size | 02:41 |
| @preaction | nice | 02:41 |
| @rizen | the WRE no longer comes with documentation for all the utilities | 02:43 |
| @rizen | like the Apache manual | 02:43 |
| @rizen | in order to do that | 02:43 |
| @rizen | and i've also eliminated things like the mysql benchmark suite | 02:43 |
| @rizen | but they can use the wdk if they want full documentation | 02:43 |
| @rizen | i take it back, it's 75MB of fthe deployed size | 02:45 |
| @rizen | not 60 | 02:45 |
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| SynQ | 75M off the deployment size, that is absolutely fantastic! | 12:27 |
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| SynQ | jt, did you solve the mod_perl problem? | 14:34 |
| @rizen | yes i did | 18:10 |
| @rizen | sorry, getting a really late start this morning | 18:10 |
| @rizen | the recompile fixed everything | 18:10 |
| @rizen | i can't figure out what's going on | 18:11 |
| @rizen | there must be some new major site linking to plainblack.com | 18:12 |
| @rizen | because the search engines keep resweeping the site every day | 18:12 |
| @rizen | it's been going on for 3 days in a row now | 18:12 |
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| SynQ | rizen: I think that is not bad, but good news | 22:30 |
| @rizen | it is bad in that my server is at a constant load of 10.0 | 22:30 |
| SynQ | that is not very good indeed | 22:31 |
| SynQ | besides a new laptop you need a new server too ;) | 22:31 |
| @rizen | this is a huge server | 22:31 |
| @rizen | and normally, the load is at about 0.1 | 22:31 |
| @rizen | it's only since these search engines all decided to hit me all at once, and for a really long time | 22:32 |
| SynQ | if you don't like it use a better robots.txt | 22:32 |
| @rizen | they aren't following the one i do have | 22:32 |
| @rizen | besides | 22:33 |
| @rizen | it's not so much that it's being indexed | 22:33 |
| @rizen | but that it's being indexed by 10+ engines at the same time | 22:33 |
| SynQ | hmm | 22:33 |
| @rizen | and that they're doing it all day long every day | 22:33 |
| SynQ | could you fit all of the indexable part of the plainblack site in memory? | 22:33 |
| @rizen | no | 22:34 |
| SynQ | perhaps cluster it? | 22:34 |
| SynQ | or is that too much work? | 22:34 |
| @rizen | it's too much expense | 22:34 |
| @rizen | just for this little period of time | 22:34 |
| @rizen | like i said we usually are running at 0.1 | 22:34 |
| SynQ | do you think the search engines will go away again? | 22:35 |
| @rizen | i would hope so | 22:35 |
| @rizen | i'd just like to know why they all became interested at the same time | 22:35 |
| @rizen | and why they keep indexing the same shit over and over | 22:35 |
| SynQ | perhaps the cms contest? | 22:35 |
| @rizen | we're not even listed on their site | 22:36 |
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| SynQ | ok | 22:39 |
| @rizen | well whatever | 22:39 |
| SynQ | if I search for site:plainblack.com i get mainly k3b.plainblack.com | 22:39 |
| @rizen | not much i can do about it except to block them at the firewall | 22:39 |
| SynQ | or use apache rate limiter | 22:39 |
| @rizen | we host k3b's site | 22:40 |
| @rizen | but that's on a different server | 22:40 |
| SynQ | oh | 22:41 |
| SynQ | do you know about this site: http://www.visualwebgui.com ? | 22:41 |
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| @rizen | yes i do | 22:42 |
| @rizen | it's a .net based ajax framework | 22:42 |
| @rizen | the guy is from israel | 22:42 |
| @rizen | i've decided to hate you | 22:45 |
| @rizen | all you've got are questions, no answers | 22:45 |
| @rizen | you're supposed to be the man with the plan, the guru, the oracle | 22:45 |
| SynQ | am I | 22:45 |
| SynQ | I'll give you some ansers, are you ready | 22:46 |
| SynQ | 42 | 22:46 |
| SynQ | there you are | 22:46 |
| @rizen | yup. i hate you. | 22:46 |
| @rizen | this confirms it | 22:46 |
| SynQ | ask me something then | 22:47 |
| SynQ | so I can be an oracle | 22:47 |
| @rizen | why are these search engiens all the sudden hitting me all at once? | 22:47 |
| @rizen | and when will they stop? | 22:47 |
| @rizen | hehe | 22:47 |
| SynQ | I guess that your site is drawing more and more attention with this wiki on it | 22:48 |
| SynQ | and they won't stop | 22:48 |
| SynQ | it will only increase | 22:48 |
| * MrHairgrease goes to google with a pair of pliers | 22:48 | |
| SynQ | and that is not a bad thing | 22:48 |
| @rizen | i don't really need a cluster, just a raid array | 22:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | expect the search engine problem to be resolved soon | 22:49 |
| @rizen | the reason the load is so high is that the drive is bottlenecking | 22:49 |
| @rizen | on the good news front, the new wre is finally working | 22:51 |
| SynQ | ah | 22:51 |
| SynQ | great | 22:51 |
| @rizen | i'm starting to compile on other platforms now | 22:51 |
| SynQ | can't wait to get my hands on it | 22:51 |
| @rizen | there's still some kinks to work out with the api, but it's good enough for you to start playing with | 22:51 |
| SynQ | what platform do you have it compiled for now? | 22:51 |
| @rizen | just OSX PPC | 22:51 |
| SynQ | oeh | 22:51 |
| SynQ | can I do the ubuntu compile? | 22:51 |
| SynQ | the/a | 22:52 |
| @rizen | i'll be working on OSX Intel and ubuntu and frebsd next | 22:52 |
| @rizen | you can, but i've never tried it on ubuntu so i don't know how it will work | 22:52 |
| SynQ | ok | 22:52 |
| @rizen | are you saying you want the source tarball? | 22:52 |
| SynQ | where can I get it? | 22:52 |
| SynQ | yes | 22:52 |
| SynQ | gimme gimme | 22:52 |
| @rizen | i'll upload it to my personal server | 22:52 |
| SynQ | a tarball before midnight | 22:53 |
| @rizen | give me 10 min | 22:53 |
| SynQ | I will | 22:54 |
| @rizen | howdy mrhairgrease...and thanks for whacking google for me | 22:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | howdy | 22:57 |
| @rizen | how goes it? | 22:57 |
| SynQ | wtf, jt knows greesch? | 22:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | goodish | 22:58 |
| @rizen | greesch? | 22:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | never mind koen | 22:58 |
| SynQ | hi martin | 22:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll explain the grease tapping night to you in madison | 22:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | hi koen | 22:59 |
| SynQ | wearing nothing but a white shirt | 22:59 |
| SynQ | and blue jeans | 22:59 |
| @rizen | i can't wait | 23:00 |
| SynQ | MrHairgrease what airliner are you using to go to the wuc? | 23:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | klm | 23:00 |
| SynQ | ok | 23:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | Dutch glory | 23:00 |
| SynQ | that sounds good | 23:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | and frre drinks | 23:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 23:00 |
| @rizen | so yeah, i took 75mb off the deployed size of the wre with this release | 23:00 |
| @rizen | and that's after adding a whole bunch of stuff that wasn't in it in the 0.7 series | 23:00 |
| SynQ | skimming the manuals from the wre is a good idea | 23:01 |
| @rizen | unfortunately, the deployed size is still just over 200mb | 23:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | synq, have you decided on attending the wuc yet | 23:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | ? | 23:01 |
| SynQ | I'm considering it | 23:01 |
| SynQ | Tessa thinks I should go | 23:01 |
| @rizen | ETA: 14 minutes until it's uploaded to a public server | 23:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | me too | 23:02 |
| SynQ | and staying with JT might cut a real big chunk of the costs | 23:02 |
| @rizen | I think Tessa should come and you should stay | 23:02 |
| SynQ | rizen great | 23:02 |
| SynQ | hehe | 23:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | you dirty bigamist! | 23:02 |
| SynQ | Tessa thinks she should stay at home | 23:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | you already have your own wife | 23:03 |
| @rizen | i can always use two | 23:03 |
| @rizen | just in case i break one | 23:03 |
| SynQ | she'd like to come over some other time when there is no wuc | 23:03 |
| SynQ | which kind of makes sense | 23:03 |
| @rizen | absolutely | 23:03 |
| SynQ | since at the wuc we'll be webgui-ing all the time | 23:03 |
| SynQ | talking about noting else | 23:04 |
| @rizen | well if you ever want to come explore the midwest, our house is open to you | 23:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | ha | 23:04 |
| SynQ | I'd like to come over with Tessa for a weak or two or so next year | 23:04 |
| SynQ | that sounds very good to me | 23:04 |
| SynQ | and I'll take Bart to the wuc if I can afford it | 23:05 |
| SynQ | I probably can | 23:05 |
| SynQ | I should | 23:05 |
| SynQ | I mean... I'll blame myself for not going all year long if I don't | 23:05 |
| SynQ | just like this year | 23:05 |
| @rizen | indeed | 23:05 |
| SynQ | and it's not in vegas | 23:05 |
| SynQ | which is very good | 23:05 |
| SynQ | vegas is smelly | 23:05 |
| SynQ | and smokey | 23:06 |
| @rizen | you'll like madison. it's kind of like a mini amsterdam | 23:06 |
| @rizen | actually i shouldn't say that | 23:06 |
| @rizen | it's nothing like it | 23:06 |
| SynQ | hehe | 23:06 |
| @rizen | but to me it feels like home | 23:06 |
| @rizen | which amsterdam did | 23:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | you have junkies and hookers in your backyard too? | 23:06 |
| SynQ | is the wre done yet? | 23:07 |
| @rizen | i told you 14 minutes | 23:07 |
| SynQ | uploaded | 23:07 |
| SynQ | 14 minutes sounds like a year | 23:07 |
| @rizen | that was only 5 minutes ago | 23:07 |
| SynQ | so still 2 years left | 23:07 |
| @rizen | hehe | 23:07 |
| @rizen | ETA 7minutes | 23:09 |
| SynQ | ah | 23:09 |
| SynQ | :) | 23:09 |
| @rizen | i only have a 1mb up | 23:09 |
| @rizen | so it takes forever | 23:10 |
| SynQ | so do I at home | 23:10 |
| @rizen | to upload sstuff | 23:10 |
| SynQ | that's not so bad | 23:10 |
| @rizen | the source tarball is 104mb | 23:10 |
| SynQ | no prob | 23:10 |
| SynQ | url? | 23:10 |
| @rizen | i can't give you that until it's up | 23:11 |
| @rizen | otherwise y ou might start downloading a broken file | 23:11 |
| @rizen | =) | 23:11 |
| SynQ | hehe | 23:11 |
| @rizen | ETA: 3 min | 23:11 |
| @rizen | ETA 1 min | 23:13 |
| SynQ | woopy | 23:13 |
| @rizen | http://jt.plainblack.com/mirrors/wre-0.8.0-alpha1-source.tar.gz | 23:14 |
| SynQ | downloading now.. | 23:16 |
| SynQ | eta 6min | 23:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm | 23:17 |
| SynQ | and I'll download it for debian (at home) too :) | 23:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm only getting 300-500k/s | 23:17 |
| SynQ | and that is twice as fast | 23:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | this takes forever =) | 23:17 |
| SynQ | spoiled brat martin | 23:18 |
| SynQ | JT, is that server bw-limited? | 23:18 |
| @rizen | nope | 23:18 |
| SynQ | not too fast a transatlantic pipe then | 23:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | who cares | 23:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | i have the new wre source! | 23:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | woot | 23:19 |
| @rizen | keep in mind guys that this is not 100% perfect yet | 23:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | no worriesd | 23:19 |
| @rizen | it's no where near release worthy | 23:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll blame it on koen | 23:20 |
| SynQ | hehe | 23:20 |
| SynQ | sure man, blame it on me | 23:20 |
| SynQ | I can handle all that guilt :) | 23:20 |
| SynQ | nice, it has a readme.txt :) | 23:23 |
| SynQ | what shall I do... | 23:24 |
| SynQ | just run ./build.sh --all | 23:24 |
| SynQ | or try parts first | 23:24 |
| SynQ | ok | 23:25 |
| SynQ | I'll try ./build.sh --perl first | 23:25 |
| @rizen | do --all | 23:27 |
| @rizen | that's what i do | 23:27 |
| SynQ | it's doing --perl now on ubuntu | 23:29 |
| @rizen | HUGE mistake | 23:29 |
| @rizen | large | 23:29 |
| @rizen | extra large | 23:29 |
| @rizen | big | 23:29 |
| SynQ | Building Complete And Successful | 23:29 |
| @rizen | damn | 23:29 |
| SynQ | not so bad | 23:29 |
| @rizen | told you it was a mistake | 23:29 |
| SynQ | k | 23:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | quite fast too | 23:29 |
| @rizen | hehe | 23:29 |
| SynQ | now apache | 23:29 |
| @rizen | no | 23:29 |
| @rizen | you need to do utils first | 23:29 |
| SynQ | ah | 23:30 |
| SynQ | ok | 23:30 |
| @rizen | that's why they are listed in the order they are | 23:30 |
| SynQ | ah | 23:30 |
| @rizen | that's the indended build order | 23:30 |
| SynQ | I'll do them in order then :) | 23:30 |
| SynQ | there go the utilities | 23:30 |
| SynQ | lftp fails | 23:32 |
| @rizen | i told you i haven't ever built it on ubuntu | 23:32 |
| SynQ | I'm not blaming you | 23:32 |
| @rizen | i am | 23:32 |
| SynQ | just letting you know | 23:32 |
| @rizen | tell me what needs modification in build.sh to get it to build if you would be so kind and can figure it out | 23:33 |
| SynQ | I most certainly will | 23:33 |
| SynQ | it's probably the requirements for them stuff | 23:35 |
| SynQ | the error in this case is: g++ cannot create executables | 23:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | synq | 23:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | you'll need a whole slew of -devel pacakges | 23:36 |
| SynQ | and you need You probably have not installed libstdc++ (or libg++) | 23:36 |
| SynQ | I know | 23:36 |
| SynQ | and I'll make a listing of them | 23:36 |
| @rizen | yeah, would be good to put in the readme.txt | 23:36 |
| SynQ | and provide JT with a nice ubuntu-readme.txt | 23:36 |
| SynQ | for him to include | 23:37 |
| SynQ | and a debian-readme.txt | 23:37 |
| SynQ | but we shouldn't require more than is needed | 23:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | also keep in mind the dash problem on ubuntu | 23:37 |
| @rizen | nope | 23:38 |
| @rizen | WRE 0.8 includes the latest MySQL | 23:38 |
| @rizen | which supposedly fixes that problem | 23:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah i know | 23:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it could be that other stuff fails too due to that shell | 23:38 |
| SynQ | sure | 23:39 |
| SynQ | but lets break down that wall when we hit it with the head | 23:40 |
| SynQ | ok | 23:58 |
| SynQ | I'm getting somewhere | 23:58 |
| SynQ | but we are at Tessa's mom now | 23:59 |
| SynQ | and I am obliged to come to bed now | 23:59 |
| @rizen | later | 23:59 |
| SynQ | JT, I'll send you an e-mail with my findings tomorrow | 23:59 |
| SynQ | ok? | 23:59 |
| @rizen | k | 23:59 |
| SynQ | lets get this alpha in beta state by the end of this week | 23:59 |
| --- Day changed Mon Aug 20 2007 | ||
| SynQ | on both rhel + freebsd + ubuntu + debian etch | 00:00 |
| @rizen | yup | 00:00 |
| SynQ | ok | 00:00 |
| SynQ | nite | 00:00 |
| @rizen | bye | 00:00 |
| * SynQ is off | 00:00 | |
| +MrHairgrease | later | 00:00 |
| @rizen | building on osx intel now | 00:09 |
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| l-e-o-n | hi, when i save my changes on webgui 7.3.22 i can't see my updates its like i never did them... | 15:41 |
| l-e-o-n | no one ? | 15:45 |
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| l-e-o-n | hi, when i save my changes on webgui 7.3.22 i can't see my updates its like i never did them... | 15:54 |
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| l-e-o-n | no one can help me ? | 15:59 |
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| perlmonkey3 | what's the question? | 16:09 |
| perlmonkey3 | l-e-o-n | 16:09 |
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| l-e-o-n | shit | 16:13 |
| sanyock | dont you see them as visitor or admin? | 16:15 |
| l-e-o-n | no.. even i'm trying to do a new style | 16:16 |
| l-e-o-n | i do it then i commit changes | 16:17 |
| l-e-o-n | and its gone | 16:17 |
| AMH_henry | is spectre running? | 16:17 |
| l-e-o-n | yep | 16:17 |
| AMH_henry | no errors? | 16:17 |
| l-e-o-n | with no problems :/ | 16:17 |
| AMH_henry | have you checked the database itself? | 16:17 |
| l-e-o-n | what to check ? | 16:17 |
| AMH_henry | login to mysql and do a select on asset table and see if the asset is there | 16:18 |
| l-e-o-n | nothing | 16:20 |
| l-e-o-n | what could the problem be ? | 16:21 |
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| perlmonkey2 | l-e-o-n: You ever get help? | 16:25 |
| l-e-o-n | they were trying to help me but seems with no luck hehe | 16:26 |
| l-e-o-n | it seems like i'm having problems with spectre | 16:28 |
| AMH_henry | what mysql version do you have | 16:32 |
| l-e-o-n | i'm using wre 7.3.22 | 16:33 |
| l-e-o-n | mysql: 5.0.22 | 16:33 |
| l-e-o-n | when i run spectre as --daemon i'm getting this error: ADMIN: [Error] Couldn't fetch Spectre configuration data for www.terrasanagroup.com.conf | 16:34 |
| l-e-o-n | what could it be ? | 16:35 |
| AMH_henry | is spectre allowed to connect to your website? | 16:35 |
| l-e-o-n | hmm yes ip's do match | 16:35 |
| l-e-o-n | well wait.. | 16:38 |
| l-e-o-n | when i do the ip in spectre.conf it seems like spectre hangs | 16:38 |
| l-e-o-n | with 127.0.0.1 it give's me that error... and with the proper ip it hangs | 16:39 |
| AMH_henry | spectre.conf should be ok staying with 127.0.0.1 | 16:40 |
| AMH_henry | what do you get if you try wget http://<url>/?op=spectreGetSiteData from the hosting server? | 16:41 |
| l-e-o-n | internet explorer cannot download / from bla bla :/ | 16:42 |
| AMH_henry | no, you need to execute that on the hosting server itself | 16:43 |
| AMH_henry | do you have shell access? | 16:43 |
| l-e-o-n | ah from the shell access | 16:43 |
| l-e-o-n | 15:44:55 (244.14 KB/s) - `index.html?op=spectreGetSiteData' saved [2] | 16:45 |
| AMH_henry | check the contents of index.html?... | 16:45 |
| l-e-o-n | {} only | 16:46 |
| @preaction | but it's valid JSON, so that's fine | 16:46 |
| AMH_henry | any errors in webgui.log? | 16:46 |
| @preaction | run perl spectre.pl --test | 16:46 |
| @preaction | does your server know that localhost is www.terrasanagroup.com? | 16:47 |
| l-e-o-n | ERROR: Spectre cannot communicate with WebGUI. Perhaps you need to adjust the spectreSubnets setting in this config file: www.terrasanagroup.com.conf. | 16:49 |
| l-e-o-n | subnets are already specified | 16:49 |
| AMH_henry | what do you have in spectreSubnets? | 16:49 |
| AMH_henry | and sitename? | 16:50 |
| l-e-o-n | "209.62.91.100/32", | 16:50 |
| l-e-o-n | sitename the url of the site | 16:50 |
| AMH_henry | only 209... in subnets? no 127.0.0.1? | 16:51 |
| l-e-o-n | "127.0.0.1/32" | 16:51 |
| l-e-o-n | its there too | 16:52 |
| AMH_henry | and if you do a ping from the server to the sitename, you get correct reply? | 16:52 |
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| sno | Hello | 16:53 |
| l-e-o-n | yes | 16:53 |
| AMH_henry | this is weird | 16:53 |
| l-e-o-n | heh :/ | 16:54 |
| sno | I can't figure out why I don't have graphics in my installed system. | 16:54 |
| sno | I built to 7.4.3-beta. That worked. I had graphics and everything. | 16:54 |
| sno | Then I svn'd 7.4.4 into a different directory | 16:55 |
| sno | then I 'switch_webgui.pl' on the WebGUI releases | 16:55 |
| AMH_henry | @l-e-on: the website is http://www.terrasanagroup.com? | 16:55 |
| sno | I fixed up the missing conf files and made sure spectre was happy | 16:55 |
| l-e-o-n | i changed the site name... as it is www2.terrasanagroup.com | 16:56 |
| sno | addsite the site I wanted | 16:56 |
| sno | and visited the site. | 16:56 |
| sno | No graphics. | 16:56 |
| sno | What am I missing? | 16:58 |
| AMH_henry | @ l-e-o-n: did you restart apache after making changes to www.terrasanagroup.com.conf? | 16:58 |
| AMH_henry | @ l-e-o-n: you can check the access_log to see where spectre is connecting from | 16:59 |
| l-e-o-n | yep.. apache restarted | 17:03 |
| l-e-o-n | but still Spectre cannot communicate with WebGUI. Perhaps you need to adjust the spectreSubnets setting in this config file: www.terrasanagroup.com.conf. | 17:03 |
| l-e-o-n | with test | 17:03 |
| AMH_henry | have you can the access_log? It should say where spectre is connecting from | 17:04 |
| l-e-o-n | 209.62.91.100 - - [20/Aug/2007:16:02:46 +0200] "GET /?op=spectreTest HTTP/1.1" 200 6 "-" "Spectre" | 17:08 |
| l-e-o-n | can't understand | 17:10 |
| AMH_henry | very weird indeed | 17:14 |
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| sno | Why would I get "You don't have permission to access /extras/background.jpg on this server."? | 17:15 |
| l-e-o-n | any thing else i could check ? | 17:16 |
| @rizen | sno: did you check your file permissions? | 17:17 |
| sno | Yes, they match the 7.4.3 installation permissions. | 17:18 |
| AMH_henry | @l-e-o-n: just a wild guess... have you tried broaden the subnet, for example specify 209.62.91.0/24 instead of 209.62.91.100/32 | 17:19 |
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| sno | I was also told that each WebGUI swap needed it's own site address. I addsite a site exclusive to the 7.4.4 branch | 17:19 |
| sno | That seemed to work fine. | 17:19 |
| @rizen | what do you mean it needs it's own site address? | 17:21 |
| @rizen | ip? | 17:21 |
| @rizen | domain? | 17:21 |
| sno | I was told that when I use switch_webgui.pl that the new WebGUI code needed it's own web site configuration. So for 7.4.3 I have 4p3.site.org and for the dev head I have head.site.org (site.org is not the real full name) | 17:24 |
| l-e-o-n | i had this problem when i had spectre not working fine... even the admin menu bar on the left is a bit bugged with spectre not working.. | 17:24 |
| sno | Weird. I used switch_webgui.pl again to restore the other site and now I don't have graphics showing there either. | 17:25 |
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| l-e-o-n | still no luck :( | 17:27 |
| @rizen | i don't know what switch_webgui.pl is | 17:28 |
| sno | Something preaction gave me | 17:28 |
| @rizen | but in general, the best way to do it is to have /data/WebGUI.svn and /data/WebGUI_7.3 and /data/WebGUI_6.7 | 17:28 |
| @rizen | and then make a link that points to whichever one is active | 17:29 |
| sno | It is supposed to allow the /data/WebGUI link to migrate across versions and reset the server during the change. | 17:29 |
| sno | Pretty much like you say. | 17:29 |
| @rizen | as far as the privileges problem, you know linux and you know apache | 17:30 |
| @rizen | the extras folder is just a static folder being served up | 17:30 |
| @rizen | therefore if there's a problem it's in linux or apache, not webgui | 17:30 |
| @rizen | so troubleshoot the problem | 17:30 |
| AMH_henry | @l-e-on: what port is spectre running? | 17:30 |
| @rizen | as you would any normal apache problem | 17:30 |
| l-e-o-n | default | 17:30 |
| sno | I was wondering if a config file got messed up and is pointing to a bad place. | 17:30 |
| @rizen | don't wonder, just check | 17:31 |
| AMH_henry | @l-e-o-on: have you checked if anything is in the way. use netstat -a and see if anything is listening on that port | 17:32 |
| sno | I guess I would be surprised if wre/prereq/apache conf files were touched in the change. Maybe they do. | 17:32 |
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| SynQ | JT! | 18:00 |
| SynQ | I've booked a ticket for bart and me | 18:00 |
| @rizen | yeah, about that. there's no room at the inn for the likes of you two | 18:01 |
| @rizen | when do you arrive? | 18:02 |
| @rizen | do you want me to pick you up from the airport? | 18:02 |
| SynQ | same time as Joeri and his crew | 18:02 |
| SynQ | we can hobo his ride :) | 18:02 |
| @rizen | k | 18:02 |
| SynQ | is there a route 66 there? | 18:03 |
| @rizen | that's california | 18:03 |
| SynQ | ok | 18:03 |
| SynQ | I'll settle for any other number then | 18:03 |
| SynQ | we arrive at... | 18:04 |
| @rizen | 90 | 18:04 |
| @rizen | 94 | 18:04 |
| @rizen | 14 | 18:04 |
| @rizen | 18 | 18:04 |
| @rizen | 12 | 18:04 |
| @rizen | those are all highways here | 18:04 |
| @rizen | =) | 18:04 |
| @rizen | more if you want | 18:04 |
| @rizen | 151 | 18:04 |
| @rizen | 51 | 18:04 |
| @rizen | 213 | 18:04 |
| SynQ | chicago ord oct 16th | 18:04 |
| SynQ | 12:05 | 18:04 |
| SynQ | we have to leave at... | 18:05 |
| SynQ | chicago ord oct 21st | 18:05 |
| SynQ | 16:20 | 18:05 |
| @rizen | wait? you're flying into ORD? | 18:05 |
| @rizen | not MSN? | 18:05 |
| @rizen | ORD is a 2.5 hour drive from her | 18:05 |
| SynQ | is that nog good | 18:05 |
| @rizen | here | 18:05 |
| SynQ | oh | 18:05 |
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| SynQ | joeri will drive :) | 18:06 |
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| @rizen | so you guys are renting a car then? | 18:06 |
| SynQ | Joeri is | 18:06 |
| @rizen | you foooolllllls...... mwhahwhw | 18:07 |
| SynQ | eheh | 18:08 |
| SynQ | it's a direct flight | 18:08 |
| SynQ | that is probably the reason | 18:08 |
| SynQ | and its a not too expensive flight | 18:08 |
| @rizen | yeah, renting a car is probably less expensive, if not less practical | 18:09 |
| SynQ | and we get to see some nice freeway while we are at it ;) | 18:10 |
| @rizen | and you get to pay tolls while you're at it | 18:11 |
| @rizen | the highways in illinois are toll roads | 18:11 |
| SynQ | joeri get's to pay tolls | 18:11 |
| @rizen | so every few miles you have to stop and pay them | 18:11 |
| SynQ | ok | 18:12 |
| SynQ | now I'm going to taste some nice dutch traffic | 18:12 |
| SynQ | whilst driving home | 18:13 |
| SynQ | irc you in a few hours | 18:13 |
| SynQ | ~ | 18:13 |
| sno | Haarg helped me discover my problem with graphics. The code trees were under root, and while the code ran, apache didn't like providing the graphics from that situation. Moved them out from under root, and the graphics reappeared. | 18:14 |
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| sanyock | I am trying to integrate http://tracker.aklabs.com/ into WebGUI | 19:32 |
| sanyock | Actually previously I have made the report by a few asp.net webpages | 19:33 |
| sanyock | There is TT_Report table in the WebGUI database for which I do not see any web interface | 19:34 |
| sanyock | Please let me know, does any wobject exist which could used by an employer to supervise work time sheet? | 19:35 |
| @rizen | Only if you create an SQL Report for it | 19:36 |
| sanyock | For now I am thinking about a new SQLReport but may be it will be a wheel reinvention | 19:36 |
| @rizen | the Time Tracker is incomplete | 19:36 |
| @rizen | that's why it's labeled "beta" | 19:36 |
| sanyock | I see, thanks for info | 19:36 |
| @rizen | np | 19:37 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Would an inventory tracking system be an appropriate add-on to WG? | 20:40 |
| @rizen | if it were built in such a way that it was generic | 20:44 |
| @rizen | so it could be useful to lots of people | 20:45 |
| @rizen | then yes | 20:45 |
| perlmonkey2 | Just an idea.....cool | 20:45 |
| @rizen | pretty much everything is a valid idea for what could be in webgui | 20:47 |
| @rizen | but going forward i'm going to be much more strict about the quality of those types of things making it into the core | 20:47 |
| @rizen | they need to be fully developed (feature complete), fully documented, have a full test suite | 20:48 |
| perlmonkey2 | Been burned in the past? | 20:48 |
| @rizen | i haven't been happy with the quality of some of the things i've let get into the core | 20:49 |
| @rizen | even stuff created by my own stafff | 20:49 |
| @rizen | so i'm going to hold everything to very high standards going forward | 20:49 |
| perlmonkey2 | Sounds like sound software engineering policy. | 20:50 |
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| SynQ | ah | 22:18 |
| * SynQ is happy | 22:18 | |
| SynQ | going to the WUC | 22:18 |
| SynQ | :) | 22:18 |
| SynQ | what more could I wish for | 22:19 |
| @rizen | you could wish that the WUC was actually a Porn and Beer convention instead of a technology show | 22:20 |
| SynQ | isn't it? | 22:21 |
| @rizen | nope. | 22:21 |
| @rizen | that's later in the eve | 22:21 |
| SynQ | oh | 22:21 |
| @rizen | not during the day | 22:21 |
| SynQ | well, I've seen 'porn' in vegas | 22:21 |
| SynQ | in that club where we couldn't get any alcohol | 22:21 |
| SynQ | worthless | 22:21 |
| SynQ | in that case I'd rather stick with butt ugly gals from hooters from chicago | 22:22 |
| SynQ | at least they had beer in great store | 22:22 |
| SynQ | beer and food | 22:22 |
| SynQ | just to compensate for all that I'm going to spend another hour on building the wre 0.8alphasoontobestable on ubuntu | 22:24 |
| @rizen | i've already made it even more stable since the version i gave you yesterady | 22:26 |
| SynQ | ow | 22:26 |
| @rizen | i'll probably be packaging it up again late tonight or early tomorrow if you want to get a newer release | 22:26 |
| SynQ | should I use that one? | 22:26 |
| SynQ | nah | 22:26 |
| SynQ | it's all about the prereqs for the prereqs on ubuntu | 22:26 |
| SynQ | so I can muddle on with the version I got yesterday | 22:27 |
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| SynQ | utilities compiled | 22:40 |
| SynQ | :) | 22:40 |
| SynQ | perl compiled | 22:40 |
| SynQ | oh no | 22:45 |
| SynQ | dynaloader errors | 22:45 |
| SynQ | ah well | 23:23 |
| SynQ | time for bed | 23:23 |
| SynQ | nite | 23:23 |
| @rizen | nite | 23:24 |
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| @rizen | anybody know freebsd? | 00:16 |
| @rizen | i'm testing the new WRE, but i want to bring my freebsd 6.2 box up to date with the latest patches before i do | 00:17 |
| @rizen | how do i do that? | 00:17 |
| @rizen | nm, found it | 00:20 |
| @rizen | for future reference it is called "portsnap" | 00:20 |
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| @preaction | you're going to rebuildworld? | 00:38 |
| @rizen | don't know what that means | 00:42 |
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| l-e-o-n | hi, i'm getting this in the logs anyone can help ? 2007/08/21 11:47:10 - ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1013] - CRON: Response for job www.domain.com.conf-pbcron0000000000000004 had a communications error. <HTML> | 15:11 |
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| l-e-o-n | hi AMH_henry | 15:18 |
| AMH_henry | hi | 15:18 |
| l-e-o-n | i solved my weird problem i had yesturday | 15:18 |
| AMH_henry | great... what's the solution? | 15:19 |
| l-e-o-n | re-installed webgui hehe | 15:19 |
| AMH_henry | oh | 15:19 |
| l-e-o-n | however i have another weird problem... lol | 15:19 |
| AMH_henry | tell me | 15:19 |
| l-e-o-n | i'm getting this in the logs anyone can help ? 2007/08/21 11:47:10 - ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1013] - CRON: Response for job www.domain.com.conf-pbcron0000000000000004 had a communications error. <HTML> | 15:19 |
| l-e-o-n | i restart webgui service after a few minutes it stops again | 15:20 |
| l-e-o-n | maybe i should try this ? http://www.webgui.org/install/upgrade_help/problems-with-wremonitor?pn=2 | 15:22 |
| AMH_henry | i get that CROn error too. and i'm not using wre. i didn´t have chance to look into it yet | 15:23 |
| l-e-o-n | it's putting my system down every minute | 15:24 |
| AMH_henry | hmm... i'm not familiar with wremonitor | 15:25 |
| l-e-o-n | shit.. 10x anyway :) | 15:34 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Rizen, I read your article on the "new internet" and today I see that Japan says they are on the band wagon, and will create a new internet by 2020. One can only laugh. | 17:08 |
| @rizen | that kind of thing makes me sad | 17:09 |
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| SDuensin | rizen, you lurking about today? | 20:27 |
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| @rizen | nope | 21:02 |
| @rizen | i'm on a rampage today | 21:02 |
| SDuensin | Awesome. | 21:02 |
| * SDuensin is researching alternate non-Java desktop stuff. | 21:04 | |
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| SDuensin | rizen - Refresh my memory as to why you don't like OpenLaszlo? | 21:34 |
| @rizen | webgui uses yui | 21:39 |
| @rizen | it's not about not liking something else | 21:39 |
| @rizen | it's about sticking with a single api | 21:39 |
| @rizen | so people don't have to download the libraries 50 times | 21:39 |
| @rizen | for 50 different libraries | 21:39 |
| SDuensin | I'm looking not only at size, but ease-of-use for the developer. If it's a mofo to use, nobody will. | 21:40 |
| +crythias | most people use it without realizing ... | 21:40 |
| SDuensin | What's that, crythias ? | 21:40 |
| +crythias | I"m just saying that the end user (most people) "use" yui without realizing that it [may have been] a pain to set up. | 21:41 |
| SDuensin | Yea, I hear ya. | 21:42 |
| +crythias | as for developers... *shrug* they're probably welcome to use any JS they want. it's not that hard to add one. | 21:42 |
| +crythias | drop it in extras, reference it properly... | 21:42 |
| +crythias | boom, you now have openlaszlo. | 21:43 |
| @rizen | that's fine for people writing 3rd party stuff...but if they want it in the core it will use YUI | 21:43 |
| SDuensin | Well, crythias, what I'm talking about is a desktop-style thing that would likely end up in the core. | 21:44 |
| * SDuensin is sad to be limited to one library. | 21:44 | |
| +crythias | I'm confused. | 21:44 |
| +crythias | this feature creep stuff... | 21:44 |
| SDuensin | It is creepy. | 21:45 |
| * crythias is an old fart an' he's aginit | 21:45 | |
| * SDuensin hands crythias a "Bring Back Gopher" t-shirt. | 21:45 | |
| +crythias | WAIS | 21:46 |
| SDuensin | :-) | 21:46 |
| * crythias is actually 36. | 21:46 | |
| +crythias | but still. | 21:46 |
| +crythias | Desktop style something for WG? Why can't it just be a CMS? | 21:46 |
| +crythias | and why can't that just be third party? | 21:46 |
| SDuensin | Dunno. rizen said he'd like one. :-) | 21:47 |
| * crythias misses his archie client | 21:47 | |
| +crythias | can you imagine? | 21:47 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 21:47 |
| +crythias | archie was cool | 21:48 |
| * SDuensin remembers using "talk" right along side "archie". | 21:48 | |
| +crythias | and mud. | 21:48 |
| +crythias | I was a big mud programmer/user | 21:48 |
| +crythias | I invented chairs. | 21:48 |
| +crythias | hee | 21:48 |
| SDuensin | Oooo! | 21:48 |
| +crythias | and ... | 21:51 |
| +crythias | I separated input from output with a static "stats" line | 21:51 |
| +crythias | basically, what we're doing now. in VT100 | 21:51 |
| +crythias | the big point was that the hit points, mana, and movement, spell effects, and coins were always onscreen | 21:53 |
| SDuensin | Bring back BBSing! | 21:53 |
| SDuensin | ANSI interface to WebGUI! | 21:53 |
| SDuensin | (Actually, that'd be cool. <G>) | 21:53 |
| +crythias | I was such an arrogant jerk 14 years ago | 21:59 |
| +crythias | too bad it was captured for all time on usenet | 21:59 |
| SDuensin | haha | 21:59 |
| SDuensin | That reminds me - I need to find an archive an old flame war. | 22:00 |
| +crythias | I can't believe how I was. and why I even cared so much. I was so .. I don't know. young and insane. | 22:00 |
| SDuensin | I found the end of the war... http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.computer.doom.playing/browse_thread/thread/d61d500f8208d2d8/35d83667aa142c27?lnk=gst&q=apcimpgs&rnum=2#35d83667aa142c27 | 22:02 |
| @preaction | perlbot .ag | 22:32 |
| SynQ | good day | 22:32 |
| perlbot | .ag is Antigua and Barbuda | 22:32 |
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| SynQ | Hi Doug | 22:32 |
| @preaction | hi | 22:33 |
| SynQ | are you in any way involved in the WUC schedule? | 22:36 |
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| danny_mk | preaction, how is the chat WObject coming? | 22:45 |
| @preaction | danny_mk, uhm. i thought you had it? | 22:45 |
| @preaction | SynQ, involved how? | 22:46 |
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| SynQ | involved as in, do you know if there is still room for a presentation or BOF session? | 22:46 |
| SynQ | hi arjan :) | 22:46 |
| arjancwidlak | hi all | 22:46 |
| @preaction | SynQ, rizen or vrby would know better than i would | 22:47 |
| SynQ | I'm coming to the wuc with Bart | 22:47 |
| SynQ | preaction ok, I'll wait until they re-appear | 22:47 |
| SynQ | arjancwidlak is Yung not coming this year? | 22:48 |
| arjancwidlak | no I don't think he will | 22:49 |
| SynQ | that's a pitty | 22:49 |
| arjancwidlak | I'm coming with Marieken | 22:49 |
| SynQ | I've seen that | 22:49 |
| arjancwidlak | And he, that's progress isn't it? | 22:49 |
| SynQ | are you on the same aircraft as us? | 22:49 |
| SynQ | that is absolutelyfantasticlygreat | 22:49 |
| arjancwidlak | I don't know, who are you? Koen? | 22:49 |
| SynQ | indeed | 22:50 |
| SynQ | :) | 22:50 |
| SynQ | the man himself | 22:50 |
| arjancwidlak | I haven't booked yet, must not forget to do that tomorrow | 22:50 |
| SynQ | ah | 22:50 |
| arjancwidlak | I'm going a week before or I'm staying a week longer. | 22:50 |
| SynQ | we are going the 16th and leaving the 21st | 22:50 |
| arjancwidlak | I've made a memo, I'll let you know | 22:51 |
| SynQ | ok | 22:51 |
| SynQ | :) | 22:51 |
| SynQ | I am really glad that I'm going | 22:51 |
| arjancwidlak | Me to, but most and for all because I'm going to have a week of vacation | 22:52 |
| SynQ | hehe | 22:52 |
| SynQ | hard working as you are | 22:52 |
| arjancwidlak | You were not there last year were you? | 22:52 |
| +crythias | hrm. | 22:52 |
| arjancwidlak | hi Cryshias | 22:53 |
| +crythias | I think rfe to tell me what tag something is locked under, and an option to become that tag.. woo | 22:53 |
| @preaction | clicking the locked icon doesn't do that already? | 22:53 |
| +crythias | well, I'm running a few iterations behind | 22:54 |
| +crythias | Permission Denied!This Asset is locked for editing under a version tag different from the one that you are using. | 22:54 |
| @rizen | SynQ we can definitely set up an after hours BOF (like we're doing with the hackathon), but I think we'd have to bump someone to set up a new presenation | 22:54 |
| +crythias | which doesn't help bunches | 22:54 |
| SynQ | ah | 22:54 |
| @rizen | what did you have in mind? | 22:54 |
| @rizen | if it's better than something we've got | 22:54 |
| @rizen | we can bump something | 22:55 |
| SynQ | a belgian beer sampling BOF | 22:55 |
| SynQ | :) | 22:55 |
| @rizen | cuz the pb staff each have 3 talks to do | 22:55 |
| @rizen | and i have 5 | 22:55 |
| SynQ | bart could do a talk on 'helping dutch people with WebGUI' | 22:56 |
| SynQ | about the most frequently asked WebGUI questions | 22:56 |
| SynQ | it would be fun | 22:56 |
| @rizen | are the questions applicable to non-dutch people? | 22:57 |
| SynQ | I'd say so | 22:57 |
| SynQ | they are mostly about parts they haven't learned | 22:57 |
| SynQ | not from the courses Bart Teaches and not from experience | 22:58 |
| @rizen | tell him to email me a description of what he'd cover and i'll see if i can find room for it | 22:58 |
| SynQ | ok | 22:59 |
| danny_mk | sorry, I was typing in an answer for my next job :-) | 22:59 |
| SynQ | I think that doing a presentation is a good idea | 22:59 |
| @rizen | so does that mean you want to do one too? | 23:00 |
| SynQ | if you'd like | 23:01 |
| @rizen | look at the schedule, see if you can find something cool to talk about that isn't covered | 23:01 |
| SynQ | I could tell you something about using virtualisation | 23:01 |
| danny_mk | rizen: I never got a copy of the chat Wobject | 23:01 |
| SynQ | I could create an 'in a box' cluster of webgui systems using KVM | 23:01 |
| danny_mk | that is why I began development on the OpenId module | 23:01 |
| @rizen | preaction put it up on a web site for you | 23:01 |
| @rizen | and sent you an email about it | 23:01 |
| danny_mk | hmmm... I never got it. | 23:02 |
| @preaction | i believe i subverted some webspace on dusk | 23:02 |
| danny_mk | what email are you using? | 23:02 |
| @rizen | oooh that would be cool synq | 23:02 |
| SynQ | I'd have to create such a cluster first, using your nice new WRE | 23:02 |
| SynQ | but it could definately be done | 23:02 |
| @rizen | preaction, upload it to: dusk:/data/domains/jt.plainblack.com/public/mirrors | 23:03 |
| @rizen | i've since taken down that nik site that you uploaded it to | 23:03 |
| SynQ | can I download a new alpha version of that WRE somewhere? | 23:03 |
| @rizen | synq, in about 1 hour you'll be able to | 23:03 |
| @preaction | oh | 23:03 |
| @preaction | k | 23:03 |
| SynQ | oeh | 23:04 |
| SynQ | hang on, I'll send you my findings until now via e-mail | 23:04 |
| SynQ | in a readmedebian.txt and readmeubuntu.txt | 23:04 |
| @rizen | cool | 23:04 |
| danny_mk | I was thinking about going to WUC however I am quitting this job and I am trying to find another one soon. | 23:05 |
| danny_mk | so I can't go. Maybe next year. | 23:05 |
| @rizen | danny_mk...stay at that job until mid october | 23:05 |
| arjancwidlak | send it cc, the readmedebian.txt | 23:05 |
| @rizen | go to the wuc | 23:05 |
| @rizen | and then quit | 23:05 |
| @rizen | =) | 23:05 |
| SynQ | :) | 23:05 |
| SynQ | I will | 23:05 |
| danny_mk | LOL | 23:05 |
| danny_mk | hmmm... maybe I should do that. | 23:06 |
| danny_mk | I have until November | 23:06 |
| danny_mk | so if I can I just may make it. | 23:06 |
| danny_mk | by the way, is it me? I can't get to nik | 23:07 |
| SynQ | damn, I see I lost some of the notes I allready made for the debianpart | 23:07 |
| SynQ | I'll e-mail what I've got up till now | 23:08 |
| danny_mk | rizen: how many lines of code would you say WebGUI is these days? | 23:08 |
| @preaction | ohloh.net knows | 23:08 |
| danny_mk | Firefox can't find the server at nik... | 23:09 |
| @preaction | rizen: if the files are there, what's the URL to get to them? | 23:10 |
| @rizen | danny_mk: if you're talking just perl then a little over 100k | 23:10 |
| @rizen | if you add the javasccript in there, then a few hundred k more | 23:11 |
| @rizen | and if you add all the html stuff from templates, then over a million | 23:11 |
| @rizen | http://jt.plainblack.com/mirrors/chat_templates.wgpkg | 23:11 |
| @rizen | http://jt.plainblack.com/mirrors/chat.tar | 23:11 |
| @preaction | sweet | 23:12 |
| @rizen | danny_mk download those now | 23:12 |
| danny_mk | hey, the question does not specifically discriminate between html/javascript/perl | 23:12 |
| danny_mk | ok | 23:12 |
| @preaction | danny_mk, my comments for you are denoted with #*** | 23:12 |
| danny_mk | gotem... | 23:12 |
| danny_mk | rizen: gotit! | 23:13 |
| @preaction | also, i'm not sure if the templates package will actually work | 23:13 |
| danny_mk | I will take a look at it tonight. | 23:13 |
| danny_mk | I am trying to also read up on Yadis to see how it will benefit WebGUI | 23:13 |
| danny_mk | I still need to find out how/if I can retreive the email address from the OpenId provider to automatically ad it to the WebGUI user profile. | 23:14 |
| @preaction | no, that's what Yadis does | 23:14 |
| @preaction | openId is only for authentication. yadis adds layers for profile info and etc... | 23:14 |
| danny_mk | yes, I was reading that a bit earlier. I have so much shit going one... | 23:15 |
| danny_mk | there are a few profile fields I would like to pull automatiically into WebGUI so I definitely need to learn that stuff. | 23:16 |
| danny_mk | Has anyone worked on other language packs for WebGUI? | 23:17 |
| arjancwidlak | I have: Dutch | 23:17 |
| SynQ | Dutch is very well maintained I believe :P | 23:18 |
| danny_mk | I was going to include a Spanish version for the OpenId module but I obviously did not. | 23:18 |
| @rizen | SynQ, you guys don't publish to http://i18n.webgui.org | 23:20 |
| @rizen | why not? | 23:20 |
| arjancwidlak | For many reasons | 23:20 |
| arjancwidlak | But we placed some on the contributions page | 23:21 |
| @rizen | is there something wrong with my translation system? | 23:21 |
| arjancwidlak | Well for one thing: everybody can change the files. | 23:23 |
| @rizen | yeah, it's a collaborative system | 23:25 |
| @rizen | but it's also versioned | 23:25 |
| @rizen | so we can roll back if someone defaces stuff | 23:25 |
| SynQ | the dutch translation is maintained by the WOSSA | 23:26 |
| @rizen | so if it had a password so only wossa could edit it, then you'd use i18n.webgui.org? | 23:26 |
| @rizen | or still no? | 23:26 |
| SynQ | I don't know | 23:27 |
| SynQ | I am not the WOSSA | 23:27 |
| arjancwidlak | Yes I think we would | 23:27 |
| SynQ | Arjan is a good spokesperson for the WOSSA | 23:27 |
| arjancwidlak | We have a dictionary behind a password on webgui.nl | 23:27 |
| SynQ | right now I believe the translation system is on a development machine | 23:27 |
| @rizen | my main problem is that i'd like to get more people involved in translations | 23:27 |
| arjancwidlak | so we all - try - to use the same words | 23:27 |
| @rizen | but by adding passwords to them it makes them less public | 23:28 |
| arjancwidlak | there are only a few people translating | 23:28 |
| SynQ | and that 'using the same words' makes a really good and coherent translation | 23:28 |
| @rizen | but i could add it so that each translation could have a password | 23:28 |
| SynQ | that would probably help | 23:29 |
| SynQ | yes | 23:29 |
| arjancwidlak | Yes, that would help, but to be perfectly honest, I'm thinking about dropping out | 23:30 |
| @rizen | dropping out of what? | 23:30 |
| arjancwidlak | That's because I really would like to use vi and grep | 23:30 |
| arjancwidlak | dropping out of the translation group that translates webgui to dutch | 23:30 |
| SynQ | is that not possible now? | 23:31 |
| @rizen | you think it would be easier to translate using vi and grep? | 23:31 |
| arjancwidlak | Yes I have a hard time searching | 23:31 |
| arjancwidlak | Escpecially if you see strange things while using webgui, csuch als <BR />, you would like to immedialy find it | 23:32 |
| SynQ | I agree with that too | 23:32 |
| arjancwidlak | I was thinking of making my own translation and making that pubic for who wants it. | 23:32 |
| SynQ | arjancwidlak: didn't we provide you with access to the machine that translation stuff is running on? | 23:32 |
| arjancwidlak | No, sorry, asked for it many times, but no. | 23:33 |
| SynQ | arjancwidlak: that would mean you'd do double work wouldn't it? | 23:33 |
| arjancwidlak | Yes, it probably would | 23:33 |
| SynQ | arjancwidlak: that is strange, I was under the impression Martin took care of that a long time ago | 23:33 |
| arjancwidlak | He's waiting for your approval | 23:34 |
| SynQ | I gave him approval about 2 days after he asked | 23:34 |
| arjancwidlak | Okay, I'll tell him that, I'll talk to him in the morning | 23:34 |
| SynQ | :) | 23:34 |
| SynQ | there is another problem right now I think | 23:35 |
| SynQ | the machine that was running on is now in Delft | 23:35 |
| SynQ | Oqapi has a new machine now | 23:35 |
| arjancwidlak | Oh my God! they don't have Internet in Deflt do they? | 23:35 |
| SynQ | they do have that | 23:35 |
| SynQ | fortunately | 23:35 |
| SynQ | but I don't know where the translation stuff is at now | 23:36 |
| SynQ | I believe they are moving it to a new devel server | 23:36 |
| SynQ | at oqapi | 23:36 |
| SynQ | but hey | 23:36 |
| SynQ | give me a call tomorrow | 23:36 |
| SynQ | if you can't seem to get trough the red tape | 23:36 |
| danny_mk | I should know better than to look at websites that say stuff like "The RedNeck language is there for demo purposes. You can use it to play around." I laughed so hard my co-workers had to come and see what I was doing. | 23:36 |
| arjancwidlak | Now, you mention it: the translation server does seem to be offline | 23:37 |
| arjancwidlak | It used to be here: http://documentatie.webgui.nl/tools/wgi18nedit.cgi | 23:37 |
| SynQ | JT: when compiling the wre 0.8 alpha on ubuntu I get an error compiling perl that says 'you haven't done a "make depend" yet' | 23:38 |
| arjancwidlak | I'll give you a call tomorrow Koen | 23:38 |
| SynQ | arjancwidlak: I'm guessing oqapi forgot they had that on the devel machine | 23:38 |
| SynQ | arjancwidlak: perhaps we could spare a dedicated (virtual) machine for webgui.nl and the wossa | 23:38 |
| +crythias | grr | 23:38 |
| +crythias | what am I missing | 23:38 |
| SynQ | crythias: luck? | 23:39 |
| +crythias | 2007/08/21 16:35:24 - ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1012] - WORKFLOW: Response for W-J23r6EO3bPOXmkkACPew had a communications error. <HTML> | 23:39 |
| @rizen | SynQ, i've only just got ubuntu installed at this point...haven't had a chance to try to compile it, so i can't say why you might be getting that | 23:39 |
| SynQ | I understand that | 23:39 |
| SynQ | I just wanted to let you know | 23:39 |
| SynQ | rizen: I've got two KVM virtual machines set up to compile WRE 0.8 alpha on | 23:40 |
| SynQ | getting the machine back to 'clean install' state is a matter of cp cleaninstall.img ubuntuserver.img | 23:40 |
| SynQ | and I'm back at base level :) | 23:40 |
| SynQ | works like a charm | 23:41 |
| @rizen | sweet | 23:41 |
| @rizen | i'm just trying to fix one last bug before i package the newest alpha | 23:41 |
| arjancwidlak | ritzen: I see there's a button now 'Commit to SVN' in the http://translate.webgui.org. Where's this repository? It's not here https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/browse/WebGUI/ is it? | 23:41 |
| @rizen | it is in that repo, just not that folder | 23:42 |
| @rizen | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/browse/translations/ | 23:42 |
| danny_mk | well, later guys. I have to get some work done here. | 23:44 |
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| arjancwidlak | Found it. I see all files are empty. So if you make 7.3.18 up to date, could we start with that version? | 23:44 |
| arjancwidlak | Sorry of course I mean if *I* make the translation up to date. | 23:44 |
| SynQ | arjancwidlak: do you want the file from documentatie? | 23:45 |
| SynQ | I can get it for you | 23:45 |
| @rizen | arjancwidlak, yeah, just get me a tarball with the files and i'll put them in the folder for you | 23:45 |
| arjancwidlak | SynQ: You mean the version of 7.3.18 that was translated for 99% | 23:46 |
| SynQ | that one | 23:46 |
| arjancwidlak | Yes, I would very much like to have these files! | 23:46 |
| SynQ | would you like to have that? | 23:46 |
| SynQ | ok | 23:46 |
| SynQ | hang on... | 23:46 |
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| SynQ | arjancwidlak it's 15M | 23:48 |
| arjancwidlak | Euh yes? Can you put it for download somewhere? B.t.w. I received you readme_debian_etch.txt | 23:53 |
| SynQ | I will | 23:53 |
| SynQ | I'm trying to find out which files you need exactly | 23:53 |
| arjancwidlak | Thanx. I'll make the translation up to date and send it to JT so the first version in the SVN can be a complete 7.3.18. | 23:53 |
| SynQ | the webgui-stable 7.3.18 source is 15M | 23:53 |
| arjancwidlak | Oh, no the files I need are in /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/Dutch | 23:54 |
| SynQ | :) | 23:54 |
| arjancwidlak | They shoud be 1.4M | 23:55 |
| SynQ | I think I've found the Dutch/ directory you probably need | 23:55 |
| SynQ | and they are indeed 1.4M | 23:55 |
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| SynQ | arjancwidlak: shall I upload the tar.gz to webgui.nl | 23:57 |
| arjancwidlak | He I just saw the crowdpleaser.mov Cool! | 23:58 |
| SynQ | and if yes, where? | 23:58 |
| @rizen | koen, is this correct: Koen De Jonge / ProcoliX | 23:59 |
| @rizen | spelling and capitalization | 23:59 |
| @rizen | and whatnot | 23:59 |
| arjancwidlak | SynQ: Yes, that would be nice: http://www.webgui.nl/documentatie-project/ | 23:59 |
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| @rizen | you're not supposed to look at that movie | 00:00 |
| SynQ | JT: 'Koen de Jonge / ProcoliX' is correct | 00:00 |
| @rizen | ok, thanks | 00:00 |
| SynQ | arjancwidlak: it is there | 00:02 |
| SynQ | at the bottom | 00:02 |
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| SynQ | arjancwidlak: doet Marc nog mee aan dat documentatie project? | 00:05 |
| arjancwidlak | SynQ: ik heb 'm | 00:07 |
| @rizen | they are posessed | 00:08 |
| @rizen | someone find a priest | 00:08 |
| @rizen | we need an exorcism | 00:08 |
| arjancwidlak | SynQ: Yes I asked him and he was willing, but he hasn't done much | 00:08 |
| arjancwidlak | ritzen: That's my favorite translation-error: sorry, this room is possesed | 00:09 |
| SynQ | owh | 00:10 |
| SynQ | jesus, I'm getting so used to typing english that I don't notice any longer that I'm typing in dutch | 00:11 |
| SynQ | it's all the same form e | 00:11 |
| SynQ | for me | 00:11 |
| SynQ | sorry | 00:14 |
| SynQ | I'm going to bed | 00:14 |
| SynQ | Tessa is ill | 00:14 |
| SynQ | nite | 00:14 |
| arjancwidlak | goodnight, is she exorcist-ill? | 00:14 |
| @rizen | nite | 00:14 |
| SynQ | she is 'mayor headache' ill | 00:15 |
| @rizen | i'll email the url to the new alpha to you | 00:15 |
| @rizen | so you can get it when you wake up | 00:15 |
| SynQ | great | 00:17 |
| SynQ | I'll try it | 00:17 |
| @rizen | it will be up in 14 minutes if you wan tto wait | 00:17 |
| @rizen | ) | 00:17 |
| @rizen | =) | 00:17 |
| SynQ | and I'll try and find the problem with ./build.sh --perl tomorrow after work | 00:17 |
| SynQ | I'm brushing my teeth now | 00:17 |
| @rizen | i'll be working on ubuntu and the other OS's tommorrow too | 00:17 |
| @rizen | so alpha3 should compile on all our target oses | 00:18 |
| @rizen | except maybe windows | 00:18 |
| @rizen | which is a special case | 00:18 |
| arjancwidlak | she's major headache ill, so why brush your teeth? | 00:18 |
| SynQ | since it is nice to sleep with a fresh mouth | 00:19 |
| arjancwidlak | ;) | 00:19 |
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| SynQ | ok | 00:20 |
| SynQ | nite | 00:20 |
| SynQ | ~ | 00:20 |
| @rizen | new WRE alpha version: http://jt.plainblack.com/mirrors/wre-0.8.0-alpha2-source.tar.gz | 00:38 |
| @rizen | if anybody wants to try compiling it and give me feedback | 00:38 |
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| arjancwidlak | nite | 02:04 |
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| @rizen | does anyone know how to extract a tarball on freebsd | 02:18 |
| @rizen | it seems even when using gnutar it still says: gtar: wrebuild/wre/var/setupfiles/wreconsole.css: Cannot open: No such file or directory | 02:19 |
| @rizen | nevermind | 02:19 |
| @rizen | out of disk space | 02:20 |
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| arjancwidlak | Hi all, In an SQL Report I try to check if a formparameter exists and modify the sql statement on that basis. I have no clue on how to do that. Does the If macro still exist or was that macro banned? | 12:22 |
| sanyock | Could someone please let me know which type of form should be used together with SQLReport? | 12:24 |
| arjancwidlak | what do you mean, what type of form? Any form will do, won't it? | 12:25 |
| sanyock | I tried custom coded html which worked fine, but now I need to add period selection or combobox filled from the database | 12:25 |
| sanyock | I mean custom html like <form> ... </form>, or SQLForm or DataForm | 12:26 |
| sanyock | I see that main purpose of SQL and Data from is to save user input to the database, but I need only in memory search parameters for SQLReport | 12:26 |
| arjancwidlak | If you only need to do a lookup to fill a selectbox, you could use the sQL macro | 12:27 |
| sanyock | Is there a better way to populate a combobox from database than described on http://www.gwy2.org ? | 12:28 |
| sanyock | I would also like to have date selection fields for period | 12:29 |
| arjancwidlak | I don't see a description of that on Gerald Youngs homepage | 12:29 |
| sanyock | http://www.gwy2.org/cgi-bin/fom?_recurse=1&file=18#file_64 | 12:30 |
| sanyock | How do I use the SQL Macro to populate items in a drop down list in a DataForm? | 12:30 |
| sanyock | string above is a topic name on his FAQ website | 12:30 |
| sanyock | Gerald offers to use construct: ONCAT('<OPTION VALUE=',valuefield,'>',listfield) | 12:31 |
| sanyock | may be it is possible to tell a data(sql) form to not save the input | 12:32 |
| arjancwidlak | Yes, there are better ways, read the help on any webguipage: ?op=viewHelp;hid=sql;namespace=Macro_SQL | 12:32 |
| sanyock | I have read that topic previously but not clear on how to loop through the rows | 12:36 |
| sanyock | Is there some variable which contains a list of rows (or row numbers)? | 12:36 |
| arjancwidlak | as long as you have multiple results it will loop | 12:36 |
| arjancwidlak | The second example in the help shows you multiple results. Read it! | 12:37 |
| sanyock | hm, very good :) | 12:38 |
| sanyock | I just missed that SQL loops itself | 12:38 |
| sanyock | ^SQL | 12:38 |
| sanyock | Please also let me know if it is possible to transfer a parameter to Snippet inserted by AssetProxy | 12:40 |
| sanyock | I would like to do a snippet for complex menu item element | 12:40 |
| sanyock | Or should I write a macro in such case? | 12:40 |
| * sanyock afraid of perl syntax :( | 12:41 | |
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| arjancwidlak | Hi all, In an SQL Report I try to check if a formparameter exists and modify the sql statement on that basis | 13:04 |
| arjancwidlak | Hi all, In an SQL Report I try to check if a formparameter exists and modify the sql statement on that basis. I have no clue on how to do that. Does the If macro still exist or was that macro banned? | 13:05 |
| sanyock | arjancwidlak, may be you can use IIF macro contribution | 13:07 |
| arjancwidlak | It's from version 5.2 isn't it? You meen Len Kranendonks contribution? | 13:07 |
| sanyock | I just read its description and did not try | 13:07 |
| sanyock | when friefly viewed a list of contributions | 13:08 |
| sanyock | briefly | 13:08 |
| sanyock | can macroses be used in description field of asset? specifically of SQLReport | 13:08 |
| arjancwidlak | Yes | 13:09 |
| sanyock | When I tried to insert ^SQL macro there it is removed by WebGUI and later I see only <option value="^0;">^1;-^2;</option></select> | 13:09 |
| sanyock | Originally it was like: ^SQL("select reportId, startDate, endDate from TT_report", "<option value='^0;'>^1;-^2;</option>"); | 13:10 |
| sanyock | looks like WebGUI cleans ^SQL and does not save to Asset | 13:10 |
| arjancwidlak | Yeh, that's the editor. It can be done, but I usually use a snippet. | 13:11 |
| sanyock | I used HTML source edit | 13:11 |
| arjancwidlak | ritzen: that's defenitely a topic for the WUC: the editor | 13:11 |
| arjancwidlak | Yes also if you use HTML source edit, some of what you write may be changed. | 13:11 |
| sanyock | sad | 13:11 |
| sanyock | It would be nice if HTML editor could be replaced to a different one or disabled by a single option | 13:13 |
| arjancwidlak | it can | 13:13 |
| sanyock | Is it "Default Rich Editor" option? | 13:14 |
| sanyock | Does "Forum RE" works any better in case of ^SQL macro? | 13:15 |
| sanyock | I cannot get ^SQL working, it is not executed but just renders as is in the source (used in snippet now) | 13:28 |
| sanyock | tried sample ^SQL("select count(*) from users","There are ^0; users on this system."); | 13:29 |
| sanyock | no luck too | 13:29 |
| arjancwidlak | don't forget to check: 'process as template' on the snippet | 13:35 |
| sanyock | I tried with and without that option, but no luck | 13:36 |
| sanyock | is "process as template" is actually needed for using macros too or only for template variables? | 13:37 |
| sanyock | I was not able to use template variables directly in assets like PageLayout and had to use snippets previously | 13:38 |
| sanyock | May be it was HTML Editor issue too | 13:38 |
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| xootom | Just trying to add a redirect to a page, can't get it to work though, is there something special I need to do? | 14:16 |
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| xootom | also if i set hide from navigation, no, it doesn't appear in the navigation still | 14:21 |
| xootom | bug? | 14:24 |
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| AMH_bob | GOOD MORNING! | 15:50 |
| SDuensin | Morning. | 15:53 |
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| arjancwidlak | Hi all, In an SQL Report I try to check if a formparameter exists and modify the sql statement on that basis. I have no clue on how to do that. Does the If macro still exist or was that macro banned? | 16:44 |
| sanyock | I tried to create a sample ^SQL in plainblack demo and it does not work too :( | 16:51 |
| sanyock | please see http://demo.webgui.org/demo1187756055_135/home/test | 16:51 |
| sanyock | still pending to commit in the queue | 16:53 |
| sanyock | btw, does demo able to commit versions? | 16:54 |
| sanyock | correction: is able? | 16:54 |
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| sanyock | commited, but does not work :( | 16:57 |
| sanyock | http://demo.webgui.org/demo1187756055_135/home/test/sql | 16:57 |
| sanyock | simply displayes the source | 16:57 |
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| sanyock | and http://demo.webgui.org/demo1187756055_135/home/test | 17:00 |
| sanyock | looks like does not exists | 17:00 |
| sanyock | strange | 17:00 |
| @Haarg | the sql macro isn't enabled by default | 17:02 |
| sanyock | hm...:( | 17:03 |
| sanyock | how can they be enable? | 17:04 |
| @Haarg | you need to edit the config file, which you can't do for demo sites | 17:05 |
| sanyock | yep, found http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/sql-macro-doesnt-work/1 | 17:05 |
| sanyock | May be that should be mentioned in http://www.aulix.com/home?op=viewHelp;hid=sql;namespace=Macro_SQL ? | 17:06 |
| sanyock | I went to demo after not able to make it working on my own, just thought it was issue on my server ... | 17:07 |
| @rizen | sanyock SQL macro is not enabled by default, which is why you can't use it in the demo | 17:08 |
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| sanyock | I see now, but I strugled a few hours ago when most of you were still sleeping (timeshift) | 17:09 |
| @rizen | arjancwidlak, you cannot add logic to the sql statement to check if a form parameter exists or not | 17:09 |
| @rizen | you can only use SQL | 17:09 |
| @rizen | so if you can find some sql to do what you want, then you're all good | 17:09 |
| @rizen | sanyock: the help for all the macros has been moved to the wiki, so you should go update the wiki page to reflect whatever thoughts you have | 17:10 |
| sanyock | ok | 17:11 |
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| sanyock | other strange thing with ^SQL | 18:11 |
| sanyock | When using ^SQL("select * from TT_report", "^0; <br>"); it quotes results | 18:11 |
| sanyock | ^SQL("select * from TT_report", ^0; <br>); does not | 18:12 |
| sanyock | I thought quotes were required to indicate a string literal | 18:12 |
| @rizen | like the doctor says, "if it hurts, don't do that" | 18:12 |
| sanyock | :) | 18:12 |
| * sanyock wonders: is it a bug or such design ... | 18:14 | |
| sanyock | sample have the quotes | 18:14 |
| @rizen | no idea if it's a bug or your usage of it | 18:15 |
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| sanyock | for example : | 18:16 |
| sanyock | <select name="ReportId"> | 18:16 |
| sanyock | ^SQL("select reportId, startDate, endDate from TT_report", <option value="^0;">^1; - ^2;</option>); | 18:16 |
| sanyock | </select> | 18:16 |
| sanyock | works correct for me, which looks very strange | 18:16 |
| sanyock | may be some perl modules installed on my server are buggy (old and should be updated) | 18:17 |
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| arjancwidlak | ritzen: thanx, clear, I now found an SQL way to do it: SELECT CASE ? = '' THEN '' ELSE '' END | 18:34 |
| arjancwidlak | by all, I'm off for dinner | 18:34 |
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| sanyock | Please let me know, does a replacement for http://www.webgui.org/if_macro#wU6ddC2BwcjvopR2AUTkhw exists | 19:46 |
| sanyock | It was a " ^If(Expression, "Display if true", "Display if false");" macro | 19:46 |
| sanyock | mentioned as included into WebGUI | 19:47 |
| @rizen | no | 19:56 |
| @rizen | that macro with dangerous | 19:56 |
| @rizen | and only worked half of the time | 19:56 |
| @rizen | so it was removed | 19:56 |
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| sanyock | http://www.studio4master.ch/en/projects/perl-macro | 19:57 |
| sanyock | I am trying to use http://www.studio4master.ch/en/projects/perl-macro | 19:58 |
| sanyock | which seems to be even more dangerous | 19:58 |
| sanyock | especially taking into account that I am a vb.net programmer :) | 19:58 |
| * sanyock wonders if it is possible to create a mono proxy | 19:59 | |
| sanyock | there is PHP Macro | 20:00 |
| sanyock | may be it is possible to create a mono proxy too? | 20:00 |
| sanyock | it seems ^Perl macro does not work in current version | 20:05 |
| sanyock | I need somehow to specify the default <option > for a <select> which depends on a previously selected FormParam value from the same select | 20:07 |
| sno_ | How do I get template expressions to work in my templates? | 20:12 |
| sanyock | which expression does not work? | 20:14 |
| sno_ | Something that is working on a 7.3.18 site is not working on head: <TMPL_IF expr="groupIdView == 2">red<TMPL_ELSE><TMPL_IF EXPR="groupIdView == '4YUsuRVOi0_1pyNtn4Hv-A'">green<TMPL_ELSE>blue</TMPL_IF></TMPL_IF> | 20:18 |
| sno_ | I didn't write it. Just duplicating it. | 20:18 |
| @Haarg | you need to install and enable HTML::Template::Expr | 20:21 |
| sno_ | I'm thinking somewhere someone modified a module to include TemplateExpr but I don't see it on the tree I'm working on. | 20:21 |
| sno_ | You think it was not included in the base WRE installation? | 20:21 |
| sanyock | <TMPL_IF EXPR looks like a replacement for ^IF macro ? | 20:28 |
| sno_ | Actually, Frank told me to add the TemplateExpr parser to the config file. | 20:31 |
| sno_ | I'd rather do something much nicer, but I'm on a deadline. | 20:32 |
| @rizen | sanyok: yes | 20:33 |
| @rizen | sno: you can enable various template engines in the config file | 20:33 |
| @rizen | then on each template you can select which engine to use | 20:33 |
| sanyock | http://search.cpan.org/~samtregar/HTML-Template-Expr-0.07/Expr.pm | 20:34 |
| sanyock | After HTML-Template-Expr module has been installed I am not sure which name should be added to "templateParsers" : [ | 20:51 |
| sanyock | there is only "WebGUI::Asset::Template::HTMLTemplate" | 20:52 |
| sanyock | should I add something like WebGUI::Asset::Template::HTMLTemplateExpr | 20:52 |
| sanyock | also it is not clear how to force a single snippet to use HTMLTemplateExpr while all other parts of site would continue to use default HTMLTemplate | 21:00 |
| danny_mk | rizen: Does webgui have a admin action or workflow that cleans up orphan records in the database? | 21:01 |
| sanyock | Template Type seems to be available only in templates while I cannot appy a template to a snippet? | 21:01 |
| @rizen | danny_mk please see sbin/rebuildLineage.pl | 21:02 |
| sanyock | or may be snippet always uses template engine according its container | 21:02 |
| danny_mk | OK | 21:04 |
| @rizen | snippets can't select their engine | 21:04 |
| @rizen | they only get the basic engine | 21:04 |
| sanyock | thanks for info | 21:06 |
| danny_mk | hmmm... that seems to miss userProfileData where userProfileData.userId != users.userId | 21:07 |
| @rizen | yes it's only for assets | 21:14 |
| danny_mk | OK | 21:15 |
| sanyock | is it correct that pagination swithes from container url to url of asset with pagination? | 21:23 |
| sanyock | for example having SQLReport parameters specified in page description instead of SQLReport description hides them on any next/prev page | 21:23 |
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| @rizen | woot! WRE 0.8.0 officially builds cleanly on Mac OSX (PPC), Ubuntu 6, and RHEL 3,4,5 | 22:57 |
| @rizen | still working on FreeBSD, Mac OSX (intel), and Windows | 22:58 |
| xdanger | Are you trying a "clean" windows build or a build on cygwin or something like that? | 23:07 |
| @rizen | i don't want people to have to install cygwin (too big) | 23:08 |
| @rizen | so i'm using prebuilt binaries there | 23:08 |
| @rizen | but i'm putting those binaries in the same locations as the unix versions | 23:08 |
| @rizen | and windows will have all the same utilities that the unix versions do | 23:08 |
| @rizen | cuz i rewrote all of the utilities from the ground up to be cross-platform | 23:09 |
| xdanger | ok... are you doing some registry bindings? | 23:09 |
| xdanger | for services and stuff... | 23:09 |
| @rizen | nope, enitrely independent of the registry | 23:09 |
| xdanger | ok | 23:09 |
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| @rizen | unfortunately due to differences in windows vs unix, the windows version won't be 100% the same as unix | 23:12 |
| @rizen | but it will be close enough that most people won't notice | 23:13 |
| xdanger | does anyone run webgui on windows in production? | 23:21 |
| @rizen | we have a couple of clients that do | 23:22 |
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| @rizen | how goes it henry? | 23:34 |
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| @rizen | SynQ, now that I have WRE 0.8 working on Ubuntu, do you want me to build a new alpha for you? | 23:41 |
| @rizen | or do you want me to pack up the binary? | 23:41 |
| @rizen | Or have you gone to bed? | 23:41 |
| @rizen | =) | 23:41 |
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| SynQ | uh | 00:32 |
| SynQ | If you could build me a new alpha | 00:32 |
| SynQ | I can test if I find anything 'weird' if I run it on a clean (just installed) version | 00:33 |
| SynQ | oh | 00:33 |
| SynQ | and I believe I have it compiling on debian too! | 00:34 |
| SynQ | debian etch | 00:34 |
| SynQ | and now I'm going to bed :) | 00:34 |
| SynQ | irsee you tomorrow | 00:34 |
| @rizen | nite | 00:34 |
| SynQ | nite | 00:34 |
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| @rizen | wre 0.8 on macintel is building cleanly | 02:49 |
| @preaction | yay! | 02:51 |
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| @rizen | wre 0.8 officially cleanlly compiling on freebsd | 05:56 |
| @rizen | that only leaves windows | 05:56 |
| vayde | w00t! | 06:02 |
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| sanyock | Hi All | 11:06 |
| sanyock | I am trying to call a MySQL sp from webgui using ^SQL | 11:07 |
| sanyock | first thing I did: update SQL.pm and add "~ /^\s*call/i ||" there | 11:08 |
| sanyock | Now I do NOT receive : | 11:09 |
| sanyock | 'illegal query' => { | 11:09 |
| sanyock | message => q|Cannot execute this type of query.|, | 11:09 |
| sanyock | lastUpdated => 1135105884, | 11:09 |
| sanyock | but I got another problem: SQL Macro Failed:</b>PROCEDURE aulix.TT_ReportList2 can't return a result set in the given context | 11:09 |
| sanyock | there are many discussions about such error, which seems to occur when multiple result set returned from MySQL | 11:10 |
| sanyock | I thing it could be solved if MySQL would support select * from stored_procedure | 11:13 |
| sanyock | may such thing exists in latest versions of MySQL, actually I was not able to find in the 5.1 reference | 11:13 |
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| dapperedodo | MySQL does stored procedures from version 5.0 | 11:55 |
| dapperedodo | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/stored-procedures.html | 11:55 |
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| sanyock | dapperedodo, I cannot call SP from WebGUI | 12:12 |
| sanyock | is it possible to "select from sp" ? | 12:13 |
| sanyock | I have just solved it by installing the latest DBD::mysql from cpan | 12:15 |
| sanyock | so able to call my own SPs from WebGUI | 12:16 |
| sanyock | I will file a bug report for ^SQL to make it able to support SPs | 12:16 |
| dapperedodo | I think SP's are too dangerous to put standard in the code | 12:17 |
| sanyock | there are no any SPs by default in the database | 12:17 |
| dapperedodo | Can't you deal with an sql report, they are more versatile | 12:17 |
| sanyock | I could not use that SQL syntax in SQL or report | 12:18 |
| sanyock | I need to display a drop down with TT_report | 12:18 |
| sanyock | records | 12:18 |
| sanyock | which would default to previously selected | 12:18 |
| dapperedodo | You also need to add the privileges to the database connection in WebGUI | 12:19 |
| sanyock | ^SQL not able to do conditional processing on WebGUI side | 12:19 |
| sanyock | do I moved condition to MySQL | 12:19 |
| sanyock | CREATE PROCEDURE TT_ReportList2(DefaultReportId varchar(22)) | 12:19 |
| sanyock | begin | 12:19 |
| sanyock | select CONCAT('<option ', IF(reportId=DefaultReportId,'selected',''), | 12:19 |
| sanyock | ' value="', reportId,'">', | 12:19 |
| sanyock | startDate,' - ',endDate, | 12:19 |
| sanyock | '</option>') OptionElement from TT_report; | 12:19 |
| sanyock | end; | 12:20 |
| sanyock | it works fine from MySQLFront | 12:20 |
| sanyock | to make it working from ^SQL I had to modify SQL macro source | 12:20 |
| dapperedodo | You should create a database connection with the right permissions. The default database connection is very limited due to security | 12:22 |
| sanyock | aren't default connection permissions set in MySQL rather than in WebGUI | 12:23 |
| sanyock | I have set full permissions for WebGUI user | 12:23 |
| sanyock | so it is not a problem with connection | 12:23 |
| sanyock | rather need to add "~ /^\s*call/i ||" to process function in SQL.pm | 12:24 |
| sanyock | additional benefit is for those whos perl knowledge is weak, now I am able to construct complex string expressions on MySQL side | 12:28 |
| dapperedodo | I understand, I did that a lot:) | 12:31 |
| dapperedodo | I think you can do the query in a sqlreport (it is possible to do if statements in querys) | 12:33 |
| sanyock | How would you implement: | 12:33 |
| sanyock | <form method="post"> | 12:33 |
| sanyock | <select name="FP_ReportId"> | 12:33 |
| sanyock | ^SQL("call TT_ReportList('^FormParam(FP_ReportId);')", ^0;); | 12:33 |
| sanyock | </select> <input value="Display This Period" type="submit" /> | 12:33 |
| sanyock | </form> | 12:33 |
| sanyock | ? | 12:33 |
| dapperedodo | No, just the select in the sp | 12:34 |
| sanyock | I need to have a stateful selector of the period | 12:34 |
| sanyock | SQL syntax of TT_ReportList would break ^SQL if placed directly | 12:34 |
| dapperedodo | That's why you should use an SQL report, you can als call an SQLReport with the assetProxy macro. | 12:37 |
| sanyock | I do not want to see all reports and their child time records, but rather would like to have a combobox with report name (period) to select required report | 12:38 |
| sanyock | period combo should be staful | 12:39 |
| dapperedodo | You can filter all with the templates | 12:39 |
| sanyock | how SQLReport can help me in such case | 12:39 |
| sanyock | sure SQLReport will be used for displaying child data | 12:39 |
| dapperedodo | You can create a sqlReport with the query, and put all combobox html in the template of the SQLReport | 12:40 |
| sanyock | but SQLReport cannot help me to build a filter | 12:40 |
| sanyock | Currently my filter is done in snippet which is AssetProxied in the SQLReport | 12:41 |
| sanyock | But I cannot understand how SQLReport can help me to build a stateful combo | 12:42 |
| sanyock | populated from the database | 12:42 |
| sanyock | another problem I have found that pagination does not keep container and follows with SQLReport itself | 12:43 |
| sanyock | is it correct behaviour? | 12:44 |
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| dapperedodo | you can use the form proprty in the in the placeholder for the stateful combo | 12:50 |
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| sanyock | I already made sql report for view work time reports but ^SQL works only when system is TurnAdminOn mode, very nasty :( | 15:03 |
| sanyock | could please someone suggest how to overcome this restriction? | 15:03 |
| sanyock | actually it is a problem with ^FormParam instead of ^SQL | 15:18 |
| sanyock | ^FormParam does not work when it is not a TurnAdminOn mode | 15:18 |
| AMH_henry | are you sure? what param are you trying do get? | 15:19 |
| sanyock | value of a combobox | 15:20 |
| sanyock | <select name="FP_ReportId"> | 15:20 |
| sanyock | ^SQL("call TT_ReportList('^FormParam(FP_ReportId);')", ^0;); | 15:20 |
| sanyock | </select> <input value="Display This Period" type="submit" /> | 15:20 |
| sanyock | </form> | 15:20 |
| sanyock | I have just added for test purpose line | 15:21 |
| sanyock | <br>^FormParam(FP_ReportId);<br> | 15:21 |
| sanyock | it is displayed only in TurnAdminOn mode | 15:21 |
| AMH_henry | The SQL macro is supported to give back a list of options? | 15:26 |
| sanyock | yes, it is | 15:27 |
| sanyock | drop procedure TT_ReportList; | 15:27 |
| sanyock | create PROCEDURE TT_ReportList(DefaultReportId varchar(22)) | 15:27 |
| sanyock | begin | 15:27 |
| sanyock | select CONCAT('<option ', IF(reportId=DefaultReportId,'selected',''), | 15:27 |
| sanyock | ' value="', reportId,'">', | 15:27 |
| sanyock | startDate,' - ',endDate, '; Rate: $', hourlyRate, 'USD/Hour </option>') OptionElement from TT_report; | 15:27 |
| sanyock | end; | 15:27 |
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| AMH_henry | k, ^FormParam(FP_ReportId) shoudl return the value of FP_ReportId. How is it submitted initially? | 15:29 |
| sanyock | initially it is null | 15:29 |
| sanyock | so first element is selected by default | 15:29 |
| sanyock | later it keeps previously selected state | 15:29 |
| sanyock | so it becomes stateful (like in asp.net) | 15:30 |
| sanyock | it works fine in TurnAdminOn mode | 15:30 |
| sanyock | actually the problem is not related with above code | 15:30 |
| sanyock | it is the only related to FormParam | 15:31 |
| sanyock | I already have found a very similar complaint in the forum, searching for solution | 15:31 |
| sanyock | http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/trouble-with-formparam | 15:35 |
| sanyock | very old post | 15:35 |
| AMH_henry | I just made a test withit in 7.4.3 and it works even when I'm not logged in | 15:35 |
| sanyock | I have 7.3.22 | 15:35 |
| AMH_henry | let met try this on a diff. server brb | 15:36 |
| sanyock | please do | 15:37 |
| AMH_henry | works there too... i do have the param in the url though | 15:41 |
| AMH_henry | instead of posting it | 15:41 |
| dapperedodo | Can it be the cache of a snippet? | 15:42 |
| dapperedodo | caching is off in admin mode | 15:43 |
| sanyock | may be | 15:43 |
| sanyock | I have just checked with pagination (it is explicitelly "GET" there), does not help | 15:43 |
| sanyock | cache issue looks promising | 15:43 |
| AMH_henry | one step back.... what exactly do you expect FormParam to do? | 15:45 |
| sanyock | I expect it to work... substitue form parameter value into the snippet | 15:46 |
| sanyock | just cleared the cache and it worked as expected | 15:47 |
| sanyock | it was set to 1 hour | 15:47 |
| sanyock | dapperedodo, Thank you very much! :) | 15:47 |
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| sanyock | btw, does cache settings of an element which contains ^AssetProxy entry have any relation to caching behaviour of other proxied element? | 15:54 |
| sanyock | seems like does not, because I had cache setting 0 sec for SQLReport and 1 hour for proxied snippet which displays filter | 15:55 |
| xootom | This is annoying, I have a form in the description area of an SQL Report, e.g. <form name="searchform"><input name="search" type="text"><input type="Submit" value="Submit"> then use form:search as the placeholder parameter, that works fine | 16:10 |
| xootom | But if I want the form to show the last search entered I can't put ^FormParam("search"); in the text input's value parameter: <input type="text" name="search" value="^FormParam("search");"> -- It changes to ^FormParam( | 16:11 |
| xootom | if it's outside the input control, the formparam macro works, and i can display the string | 16:11 |
| arjancwidlak | =it's the editor isn't it? | 16:12 |
| xootom | yeah must be | 16:13 |
| arjancwidlak | You can choose the default editor, you can also select 'ask' for the use of the HTML editor. That way you can have a normal textarea to enter you form into. | 16:14 |
| xootom | how do i set that? | 16:15 |
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| perlmonkey2 | No rizen today? | 16:21 |
| * sanyock also interested in "ask mode" for editor | 16:22 | |
| sanyock | its annoying to create snippets to avoid HTML editor problems | 16:23 |
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| * perlmonkey2 just found out he's going to be paid at work to work on WebGUI wobjects :) | 16:29 | |
| arjancwidlak | For a specific editor you set it by going -> import nodde -> templates -> RichEdit | 16:31 |
| arjancwidlak | There you see to existing editors | 16:32 |
| arjancwidlak | duplicate one | 16:32 |
| arjancwidlak | edit this duplicate | 16:32 |
| arjancwidlak | select: ask to use HTML edit | 16:32 |
| arjancwidlak | This new editor is the one you are going to make the default | 16:32 |
| arjancwidlak | Go to settings | 16:32 |
| arjancwidlak | In one of the tabs you see 'default editor' | 16:32 |
| arjancwidlak | select your own editor | 16:32 |
| sanyock | another question is how WebGUI GUIDs are generated, is it some algorithm from CPAN or plainblack specific? I am working on VB.NET program for exporting data collected by http://tracker.aklabs.com/ to recently done WebGUI SQLReport | 16:44 |
| sanyock | perlmonkey2, do they allow you to GPL paid wobjects? | 16:46 |
| perlmonkey2 | sanyock: I'll get to make that decision. So of course. | 16:46 |
| perlmonkey2 | sanyock: They just want the ability to use the wobjects that don't exist and can't readily be found. | 16:47 |
| sanyock | I wonder for suggestions, may be some articles in the net describing how to legally document terms with employer of shared code | 16:47 |
| perlmonkey2 | , found in other products, I mean. | 16:47 |
| perlmonkey2 | sanyock: I answer to two primary investigators on a research grant, one who isn't interested and trusts my judgement, and the other who appears to despise technology and won't let me utter words pertaining to technology while he attends a meeting. | 16:48 |
| sanyock | may be a collection of contract text samples exist | 16:48 |
| perlmonkey2 | sanyock: So while it would probably be a good idea to formalize the code's licensing, it might do more harm than good, since they would pass it on to the uni's lawyers. Better to just keep everything quiet and let me do as I please. | 16:50 |
| * perlmonkey2 ponders what on his machine has decided to download at 1.5MBps for the last 5 minutes. | 16:50 | |
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| sanyock | arjancwidlak, I have just changed existing editor, thanks for info | 16:52 |
| arjancwidlak | You're welcome | 16:57 |
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| rizen_ | the new wre alpha for all platforms except windows can be found here if anyone wants to give it a go: http://www.plainblack.com/downloads/builds/wre/ | 17:00 |
| * MrHairgrease is compiling for ubuntu 7.04 (feisty) | 17:01 | |
| +MrHairgrease | what is the wdk btw? | 17:01 |
| rizen_ | WDK = WebGUI Development Kit | 17:06 |
| rizen_ | it builds extra things into the WRE like subversion, a web based API browser, etc | 17:06 |
| rizen_ | however, it hasn't been tested yet | 17:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 17:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | cool | 17:06 |
| diakopter | hey that's pretty cool | 17:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll check it out then | 17:07 |
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| rizen_ | perlmonkey2: you were looking for me? | 17:11 |
| arjancwidlak | ritzen: is there any way to go back to a normal page after editProfile? It seems that the route has to be: editProfile -> updateAccount -> updateAccount. I would like to be able to send the user back to the page he came from after editing his profile? Can that be done without non-WAI or non-XHTML strict methods? | 17:11 |
| perlmonkey2 | rizen_: Thought you might think it is cool that I've been given the go ahead to spend working hours on the survey wobject. | 17:12 |
| rizen_ | no the routing is not setable | 17:12 |
| rizen_ | so you'll have to give them a link back to the page | 17:12 |
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| @rizen | cool...so now you can work on it at work as well? | 17:12 |
| @rizen | that's great news | 17:12 |
| perlmonkey2 | rizen_: We have a new researcher with a lot of sour experience on commerical/open source online survey software and he got this pushed through :) | 17:13 |
| @rizen | nice | 17:14 |
| @rizen | so he got it pushed through so you could build the super kick ass survey system of the starts? | 17:15 |
| @rizen | s/starts/stars/ | 17:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | crap | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | out of disk space | 17:16 |
| sanyock | could please someone suggest which module contains definition for WebGUI::Id ? | 17:18 |
| sanyock | Alt-F7 does not help :( | 17:19 |
| sanyock | may be I am looking for incorrect identifier | 17:19 |
| AMH_henry | WebGUI::Session::Id? | 17:19 |
| sanyock | I need to generate ids in VB.NET | 17:19 |
| sanyock | and see current implementation | 17:19 |
| AMH_henry | It's in lib/WebGUI/Session/Id.pm | 17:20 |
| sanyock | thanks | 17:20 |
| sanyock | btw, may be someone knows if a perl for .net exists ? (except activestate's which died) | 17:25 |
| danny_mk | No but I am wondering why you are not using C# instead of VB | 17:26 |
| sanyock | I prefer VB.NET syntax of C | 17:27 |
| perlmonkey2 | rizen: exactly | 17:28 |
| sanyock | its more clipper like which was one of my first experienses after pascal | 17:28 |
| sanyock | correction: over C | 17:30 |
| danny_mk | Has anyone tested the OpenId module on their system? | 17:37 |
| * sanyock would like to have an OpenId macro | 17:38 | |
| danny_mk | openid.dbash.com | 17:38 |
| xootom | arjancwidlak thanks for the editor help, can i choose different editors for different people? I want the 'advanced things' but a simple version for content editors, is this possible? | 17:39 |
| sanyock | danny_mk, cool | 17:39 |
| sanyock | are you going to contribute? | 17:39 |
| xootom | i tried a content manager's editor, administrator's editor, making the administrators one only viewable by admin but it is still made available for everyone as their default | 17:40 |
| danny_mk | it is already in the contribution area under miscellaneous | 17:40 |
| sanyock | super | 17:40 |
| danny_mk | check the link "Please visit the WebGUI website for more information." | 17:40 |
| danny_mk | I wonder if I should mention somewhere in the documentation that once this module is installed you can still use the same WebGUI account and thaht | 17:41 |
| danny_mk | the only thing you wouuld have to add is the OpenId identity in the box under the profile. | 17:42 |
| sanyock | hm, I get an error on openid.org when trying to login to yours, may be cookie issue or a problem on openid.org? | 17:51 |
| sanyock | interesting, they run asp.net based service | 17:51 |
| sanyock | Microsoft .NET Framework Version:2.0.50727.1378 | 17:52 |
| danny_mk | you should't be getting any errors at all. I have never gotten a Service Provider error. However can you please send me the error if you can? | 17:53 |
| sanyock | should I PM on irc? | 17:54 |
| sanyock | or e-mail | 17:54 |
| danny_mk | send it to danny_mk@yahoo.com | 17:54 |
| sanyock | done, I tried in Opera and Firefox | 17:56 |
| sanyock | both fail | 17:56 |
| danny_mk | interesting, do you have a WebGUI test site? | 17:56 |
| sanyock | do you refer a demo on plainblack? | 17:57 |
| danny_mk | NO, your own system. | 17:57 |
| sanyock | I have a system | 17:58 |
| danny_mk | even your notebook if you have one. | 17:58 |
| sanyock | it is on a VPS server | 17:58 |
| danny_mk | should work fine. Would you like to test it there? | 17:58 |
| sanyock | also I have one at home which currently stopped but can be easier use for tests | 17:59 |
| sanyock | sure, I would like to test | 17:59 |
| danny_mk | download the module and install it | 17:59 |
| sanyock | k | 17:59 |
| danny_mk | well, make sure you install LWPx::ParanoidAgent and Net::OpenID::Consumer first | 18:00 |
| danny_mk | and that you have a working version of WebGUI :-) | 18:00 |
| sanyock | is it http://www.webgui.org/user_contributions/user_contributions/miscellaneous/openid-auth-module ? | 18:01 |
| danny_mk | yes | 18:04 |
| sanyock | just a moment, installing modules | 18:04 |
| danny_mk | Email must be very slow. I have not gotten that error you were talking about. | 18:06 |
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| sanyock | I sent from gmail | 18:07 |
| sanyock | I will upload to ftp | 18:08 |
| danny_mk | it should get here sometime this century. | 18:08 |
| sanyock | :) | 18:08 |
| xootom | quick question, is the content managers group == turn admin on group? it appears to have the same effect | 18:08 |
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| @rizen | they're becoming closer in each release | 18:10 |
| @rizen | but there are some differences | 18:10 |
| @rizen | i just don't remember what they are at the moment | 18:10 |
| sanyock | danny_mk, ftp://aulix.com/server.aspx.htm | 18:12 |
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| xootom | rizen: I have an account that can edit a certain set of pages, his group is in the editing permissions for a set of pages. Now, in order to be able to turn admin on and do anything, I can put him in either content managers or turn editing on. that's ok so far | 18:14 |
| xootom | but in either of these groups, in that account, with editing mode on, i can go into /root/import and delete/edit anything, including the whole import node...? | 18:14 |
| @rizen | you should always use the turn admin on group | 18:14 |
| xootom | that user can then trash the site, even if they have only the most basic rights to a few assets/pages | 18:15 |
| @rizen | you can't delete the import node as it's a protected page | 18:15 |
| xootom | ok any templates, navigations | 18:15 |
| @rizen | and if you want them not to be able to edit the stuff under the import node, then simply edit it and change the privs | 18:15 |
| xootom | editors | 18:15 |
| sanyock | danny_mk, your code in contributions area seems to be from August 13, while you indicated that removed bugs on August 18, is it an old code? | 18:17 |
| xootom | Ok i have gone to import node and recursively changed editing to Admins. that's fixed it, would seem to be a sensible default to me | 18:18 |
| danny_mk | Hmmm... what is your openid identity? | 18:19 |
| @rizen | for you it is a sensible default | 18:19 |
| sanyock | sanyock.openid.org | 18:19 |
| @rizen | but i have to think about 10,000+ users | 18:19 |
| @rizen | most of which have only a few editors and most of those users need full access | 18:20 |
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| xootom | I see what you mean, so by default normal content editors can edit anything in the tree | 18:22 |
| danny_mk | sanyock: when you try to login to the site and get redirected to the openid.org website, can you see the url in your address bar? | 18:22 |
| sanyock | http://sanyock.openid.org/server.aspx?openid.mode=checkid_immediate&openid.identity=http://sanyock.openid.org/&openid.return_to=http://openid.dbash.com/home%3Fop%3Dauth%3Bmethod%3Dlogin%3Busername%3Dopenid.guest%3Bwg.oid.s%3D5OMLirTXNZMoSPd5t9bx4g%3BcheckOpenId%3D1%3B%26oic.time%3D1187883296-848de6e89dfb9ba8a4dc&openid.trust_root=http://openid.dbash.com | 18:23 |
| danny_mk | Hmmm... that looks right! | 18:24 |
| danny_mk | type in your identity at the openid.dbash.com without the trailing slash and let me know if it works. | 18:24 |
| sanyock | I initially entered without trailing slash | 18:27 |
| sanyock | do you refer the last character in string: | 18:28 |
| sanyock | http://sanyock.openid.org/ | 18:28 |
| sanyock | ? | 18:28 |
| sanyock | the rightest | 18:28 |
| sanyock | I entered without it | 18:28 |
| danny_mk | that should work fine. I am actually surprised it does not work. It has worked well for myopenid.com but it should not make a difference | 18:29 |
| sanyock | I will try other provider | 18:30 |
| Radix-europe | Greetings from Paris | 18:45 |
| @preaction | greetings Paris! | 18:45 |
| sanyock | danny_mk, myopenid.com passed without errors | 18:46 |
| @rizen | howdy radix! how's the trip? | 18:47 |
| sanyock | how is it possible to feel membership for user logged vi openid ? | 18:47 |
| danny_mk | sanyock: hmmm... something is not right with this problem. Can you use openid.org on other websites without a problem? | 18:47 |
| sanyock | I will try | 18:47 |
| Radix-europe | Having a great time | 18:48 |
| sanyock | danny_mk, well, http://openid.dbash.com/site_map?op=editProfile works, it is enough | 18:50 |
| @preaction | Radix-europe, then why are you kicking around IRC you git? :p | 18:50 |
| Radix-europe | catching up on emails, and coordinating with a friend on skype to visit his place in the south of france in a couple of weeks time | 18:51 |
| Radix-europe | Also just updated my blog a bit.. though still doing catchup | 18:51 |
| Radix-europe | the tour I went on was an incredible fast paced tour through europe - barely got time to sleep let alone write blog, post photos, etc | 18:52 |
| Radix-europe | now that the tour is finished we have four more days in paris and today is for planning/catching up on rest, etc.. | 18:52 |
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| danny_mk | sure | 18:54 |
| danny_mk | that means you are logged in. | 18:54 |
| sanyock | danny_mk, please let me know which is the latest version number for your OpenId module? | 18:54 |
| sanyock | Could you please upload the latest bug free version | 18:55 |
| danny_mk | the one on the website is the latest. | 18:56 |
| sanyock | Big thanks! | 18:56 |
| danny_mk | I keep it pretty much updated. If you see any problems let me know. | 18:57 |
| sanyock | sure | 18:58 |
| sanyock | more easier to integrate other soft now, and I will be able to use asp.net :) | 18:59 |
| danny_mk | cool, sounds good. SSO is my main focus at my current employment. | 19:01 |
| sanyock | btw, osspinions.org did not generate the error but did not login me as well | 19:03 |
| sanyock | danny_mk, may be you can be nominated for openid integration grant? ;) | 19:03 |
| sanyock | I was searching for SSO and read something about this in wikipedia | 19:04 |
| @preaction | they're still doing that? | 19:04 |
| sanyock | I do not know | 19:04 |
| sanyock | may be expired | 19:04 |
| sanyock | o help spawn additional deployment, a group of vendors announced a $50,000 USD developer bounty program in August of 2006, offering $5,000 USD each to the first ten large-scale Open Source projects to implement OpenID support. | 19:05 |
| danny_mk | check your providers. I am not at my home so I can not check the logs. If your account is expired it will not log you in. | 19:05 |
| sanyock | I just created one at openid.org | 19:06 |
| sanyock | today | 19:06 |
| sanyock | may be it is not active, something like this | 19:06 |
| danny_mk | I did not care to give the user error messages but that is proobably a good idea huh? LOL | 19:07 |
| danny_mk | rizen: How stable will the userProfileData table remain? I try to use the API as much as I can, however, when I need a few fields I tend to pull them straight from the tables. | 19:09 |
| @rizen | there are no guarantees | 19:09 |
| @rizen | you should use the api in all cases | 19:10 |
| danny_mk | darnit! I had a feeling that would be your answer :-P | 19:10 |
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| sanyock | even livejournal.com did not work with openid.org for me, while fine with myopenid.com | 19:32 |
| danny_mk | sounds like a provider problem. | 19:34 |
| sanyock | yes | 19:37 |
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| sanyock | Is following list of updates to webgui.conf complete? | 19:42 |
| sanyock | 1) add macro: OpenId | 19:42 |
| sanyock | 2) "authMethods" : [ "LDAP", "WebGUI", "OpenId" ] | 19:42 |
| danny_mk | yup | 19:45 |
| sanyock | please let me know the purpose of step: | 19:45 |
| sanyock | Login to your testing system and add the following account: | 19:45 |
| sanyock | username: openid.guest | 19:45 |
| sanyock | auth method: OpenId | 19:45 |
| sanyock | is it a must or optional | 19:46 |
| danny_mk | that is a must. | 19:46 |
| danny_mk | that is sort of like the "Vistor" account for WebGUI although it does not serve the same purpose. | 19:47 |
| sanyock | should he be a member of some group? | 19:50 |
| danny_mk | nope | 19:51 |
| sanyock | other parameters do not matter too? For example his OpenId Identity | 19:52 |
| sanyock | except auth method | 19:52 |
| danny_mk | no, don't set anything else. | 19:52 |
| sanyock | ok | 19:53 |
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| sanyock | Does not work on my server, error in the log: | 20:20 |
| sanyock | Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::Auth::www_auth. Root cause: You haven't defined a consumer_secret value or subref. | 20:20 |
| sanyock | at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Auth/OpenId.pm line 192 | 20:20 |
| sanyock | Should authentication method WebGUI kept unchanged in the settings? | 20:23 |
| danny_mk | no, if you want your account to use OpenId you need to change the auth method for your user to OpenId | 20:26 |
| sanyock | It is for existing users | 20:26 |
| @preaction | existing users use the WebGUI auth already, they don't need to use OpenID | 20:27 |
| danny_mk | Did you setup the openId macro somewhere on your site? | 20:27 |
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| sanyock | yes, please see www.aulix.com | 20:27 |
| sanyock | it is slightly slow (needs more RAM) | 20:27 |
| danny_mk | preaction: if you do want your existing users to use OpenId instead of WebGUI auth you need to change their Auth Method to OpenId and set their URI | 20:28 |
| sanyock | I will need to correct layout of OpenId later because it breaks my layout slightly | 20:28 |
| danny_mk | You can create your own form, as long as it has the same parameters | 20:29 |
| sanyock | I see | 20:31 |
| danny_mk | sanyock: Let say you have a user named "carlos", you set his OpenId uri under his account settings to ex: http://carlos.t.myopenid.com | 20:32 |
| danny_mk | right? | 20:32 |
| sanyock | I tried to create a new WebGUI user via OpenId authentication, I still did not try to change existing users | 20:33 |
| sanyock | on your site it worked fine, at least I was able to edit profile of newly created user | 20:34 |
| sanyock | on mine it logs the above error into webgui.log | 20:34 |
| danny_mk | Do you have the setting "Anonymous Registration" set to yes? | 20:34 |
| sanyock | no | 20:34 |
| sanyock | should it be enabled? | 20:35 |
| danny_mk | well, a new OpenId user would be anonymously registered, right? | 20:35 |
| danny_mk | yes | 20:35 |
| sanyock | let me try | 20:35 |
| sanyock | I just missed that option and thought about it like about "Enable passive profiling" ... | 20:36 |
| sanyock | both were off, now self registration enabled | 20:37 |
| danny_mk | OK, it works, I just added myself to your system :-) | 20:39 |
| danny_mk | Do you see my account? | 20:39 |
| danny_mk | That is for anonymous registrations, if you want to use your existing WebGUI user base then you just change their Authentication method to OpenId and set their URI. | 20:41 |
| sanyock | yes ! but I cannot add myself :) | 20:41 |
| danny_mk | I added myself no problem. Hmmm.... | 20:42 |
| danny_mk | are you using a good OpenId account? One that you know works. | 20:43 |
| sanyock | backdoor ? ;) | 20:43 |
| sanyock | yes, I am trying to use myopenid.com | 20:44 |
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| danny_mk | LOL | 20:44 |
| danny_mk | no, no backdoor | 20:44 |
| danny_mk | ok, so tell me exactly what you are doing. | 20:45 |
| danny_mk | ah, hold on. I have to get lunch, can you hang around for 15 min? | 20:45 |
| sanyock | sure, I will do more tries during | 20:45 |
| sanyock | Bon appetit! | 20:46 |
| danny_mk | they close at 2pm so I better hurry... brb | 20:46 |
| danny_mk | ok, I am back | 21:01 |
| danny_mk | did you have any luck? | 21:01 |
| sanyock | no ... | 21:01 |
| sanyock | I already tried several places (via RDP) | 21:01 |
| danny_mk | alright, lets retrace your steps | 21:02 |
| danny_mk | don't change anything in WebGUI | 21:02 |
| sanyock | at least there is no new user | 21:02 |
| danny_mk | is your server up? | 21:02 |
| sanyock | I have just restarted the apache recently | 21:02 |
| sanyock | I do general steps like for other sites | 21:03 |
| sanyock | enter my id, click "loging using openid" | 21:03 |
| sanyock | on myopenid.com I loging | 21:04 |
| sanyock | I tried from place located in USA and succeded | 21:06 |
| sanyock | strange.. | 21:06 |
| danny_mk | I would say | 21:07 |
| sanyock | but last time I tried several things other way than previously | 21:07 |
| danny_mk | it would be interesting to see what is in your logs and exactly what response you get from myopenid.com | 21:07 |
| sanyock | previously I tried to use "remember me on myopneid.com" and "allow forever" | 21:07 |
| danny_mk | that should work. | 21:08 |
| sanyock | those tries were NOT succeful | 21:08 |
| sanyock | last time I missed those options | 21:08 |
| sanyock | new user appeared as expected | 21:09 |
| sanyock | I will experiment with that later by creating more myopenid.com IDs | 21:09 |
| sanyock | webgui.log is empty since error related with "prohibited self registration " | 21:10 |
| danny_mk | Ah, the module works fine. However, I can not say the same for the browser/proxy/location and the options you may be selecting at the provider. | 21:11 |
| danny_mk | You really have to watch out for cached pages and stuff like that. They can be a headache! | 21:11 |
| sanyock | I will try it later during integration of WebGUI with something else | 21:13 |
| sanyock | it is very nice to have OpenId option, thank you very much | 21:14 |
| sanyock | most likely it will become a part of WebGUI in the future? | 21:14 |
| danny_mk | that is up to the WebGUI developers | 21:15 |
| danny_mk | I like it for my sites | 21:15 |
| @preaction | add an RFE with a link to the contribs area page | 21:38 |
| @preaction | then it can get karma and be added to the WebGUI core | 21:38 |
| danny_mk | Done! http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/openid | 21:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | w00t | 22:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | the wre is compiled | 22:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | in only 40 minutes | 22:04 |
| diakopter | while you're at it, you could add CAS(2), Bitcard, and TypeKey clients as wG auth subclasses, and other RFEs for corresponding server interfaces (as wobjects) to a wG installation's authentication system via those protocols. | 22:07 |
| diakopter | (since all of those standards/protocols have perl implementations) | 22:08 |
| sanyock | trying to do my own layout for OpenId | 22:16 |
| sanyock | GroupText fails with inner html and <tmpl_if user.isVisitor> is allowed only in WebGUI login box | 22:16 |
| sanyock | I need to hide OpenId login form after login done | 22:17 |
| @preaction | you might be able to add another field to the OpenID macro to specify a template ID, if you were so inclined. | 22:18 |
| @rizen | mrhairgrease: did it compile straight through cleanly? | 22:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | one straight run | 22:18 |
| @rizen | nice | 22:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | i did --all | 22:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | do you need the tarball? | 22:19 |
| @rizen | thats exactly what's supposed to happen | 22:19 |
| @rizen | no | 22:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 22:19 |
| danny_mk | sanyock: which user are you logged in as when the GroupText fails? | 22:19 |
| @rizen | but once we go live with WRE 0.8 i'll want a compile for that | 22:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 22:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | still have to test it though | 22:19 |
| @rizen | it's just nice to know that it compilation is working as planned | 22:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that won't be until tomorrow or the weekend | 22:19 |
| @rizen | i spent 60 hours trying to get it to be that smooth | 22:20 |
| sanyock | danny_mk, admin | 22:20 |
| @rizen | actually, maybe more if you count all the perl module tweaks i ihad to do | 22:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | i never had much trouble with 0.7.2 too | 22:20 |
| @rizen | 0.7.2 compiled on ubuntu without stopping and without modification? | 22:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | let me think | 22:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | there was this one thing where Text::ASpell wasn't pointed at the right lib | 22:21 |
| @rizen | btw, i also added instructions to the readme.txt for what you need to do for each operating system to get it to compile | 22:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 22:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | i noticed | 22:22 |
| @rizen | FreeBSD was the biggest bitch | 22:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | but have these installed already | 22:22 |
| @rizen | just cuz it doesn't have a lot of stuff installed | 22:22 |
| danny_mk | You may want to ask riizen, but the group text macro does not usually identify the admin as a non-visitor :-) | 22:22 |
| @rizen | and when the files crapped out, they didn't really say "autoconf missing" or anything | 22:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm | 22:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 22:22 |
| sanyock | danny_mk, sorry, it was my mistake, I just missed ; at the end, its too late here | 22:23 |
| @rizen | took a bit of trial and error | 22:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | the first time i troed to compile it ot would fail | 22:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | but i just pasted the errors into google | 22:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | and i had to install ncurses-dev of something like that | 22:23 |
| @rizen | oh yeah, and the fact that freebsd doesn't use GNU Make by default really hosed me for a while | 22:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 22:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | that sucks indeed | 22:23 |
| @rizen | i have almost 300 hours into WRE 0.8 | 22:24 |
| @rizen | so i hope that it helps a lot of people get installed more quicckly | 22:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | i hope so too | 22:24 |
| @rizen | i just found a huge bug in it relating to windows ( / vs \ ) | 22:25 |
| @rizen | so i have to go back and rewrite a bunch of it to use Path::Class | 22:25 |
| @preaction | Path::Class? Not File::Path? | 22:26 |
| @rizen | no, Path::Class | 22:27 |
| @preaction | er.. File::Spec | 22:27 |
| @preaction | ah, a better interface to File::Spec | 22:27 |
| @rizen | i should have done it in the first place, but i was being lazy | 22:29 |
| @preaction | the wrong lazy... because now you have to go back and do it again :( | 22:30 |
| @preaction | the bad, evil lazy | 22:30 |
| @rizen | yup | 22:31 |
| @rizen | for some reason i was thinking that perl would do all the path translation stuff for me | 22:31 |
| @rizen | but it's not doing it everywhere | 22:31 |
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| @rizen | preaction...need an opinion | 23:12 |
| @preaction | k | 23:12 |
| @rizen | for functions that pass around paths, should I pass around the Path::Class object, or the stringified path | 23:12 |
| @rizen | methinks there are advantages to both | 23:12 |
| nuba | >the fact that freebsd doesn't use GNU Make by default | 23:13 |
| nuba | i think i mentioned that in a wiki page | 23:13 |
| @preaction | is it easy to create a Path::Class object from the stringified path? | 23:13 |
| @rizen | yup | 23:13 |
| nuba | re: compiling wre in freebsd | 23:13 |
| @rizen | just: dir($path); | 23:13 |
| @rizen | or file($path): | 23:13 |
| @preaction | then i'd say pass the string around. we shouldn't force Path::Class when someone wants to use something else | 23:13 |
| @rizen | that's what i was thinking | 23:14 |
| @preaction | even if it's a Good Idea to use Path::Class | 23:14 |
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| arjancwidlak | How do I create an object instance from a macro by its assetId? | 01:05 |
| arjancwidlak | Can't I say: | 01:05 |
| arjancwidlak | sub process { | 01:05 |
| arjancwidlak | my $session = shift; | 01:05 |
| arjancwidlak | my $assetId = shift; | 01:05 |
| arjancwidlak | my $revisionDate = shift; | 01:05 |
| arjancwidlak | my $post = WebGUI::Asset->new($session, $assetId, "WebGUI::Asset::Post", $revisionDate); | 01:05 |
| arjancwidlak | return $post->get("rating"); | 01:05 |
| arjancwidlak | } | 01:06 |
| @rizen | nope | 01:06 |
| @rizen | well you could do do that | 01:06 |
| @rizen | in fact, that should work fine | 01:06 |
| @rizen | did you also "use WebGUI::Asset;" at the top | 01:06 |
| arjancwidlak | Yes, I did: | 01:07 |
| arjancwidlak | package WebGUI::Macro::PostById; | 01:07 |
| arjancwidlak | #------------------------------------------------------------------- | 01:07 |
| arjancwidlak | # WebGUI is Copyright 2001-2005 Plain Black Corporation. | 01:07 |
| arjancwidlak | #------------------------------------------------------------------- | 01:07 |
| arjancwidlak | # Please read the legal notices (docs/legal.txt) and the license | 01:07 |
| arjancwidlak | # (docs/license.txt) that came with this distribution before using | 01:07 |
| arjancwidlak | # this software. | 01:07 |
| arjancwidlak | #------------------------------------------------------------------- | 01:07 |
| arjancwidlak | # http://www.plainblack.com info@plainblack.com | 01:07 |
| arjancwidlak | #------------------------------------------------------------------- | 01:07 |
| arjancwidlak | use strict; | 01:07 |
| @rizen | ew | 01:07 |
| arjancwidlak | use WebGUI::Asset; | 01:07 |
| arjancwidlak | use WebGUI::Asset::Post; | 01:07 |
| arjancwidlak | sub process { | 01:07 |
| arjancwidlak | my $session = shift; | 01:07 |
| @rizen | perlbot paste | 01:07 |
| perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. | 01:07 |
| arjancwidlak | my $assetId = shift; | 01:07 |
| arjancwidlak | my $revisionDate = shift; | 01:07 |
| arjancwidlak | my $post = WebGUI::Asset->new($session, $assetId, "WebGUI::Asset::Post", $revisionDate); | 01:07 |
| arjancwidlak | return $post->get("rating"); | 01:07 |
| arjancwidlak | } | 01:07 |
| arjancwidlak | 1; | 01:07 |
| arjancwidlak | Problem is not that it says error | 01:07 |
| arjancwidlak | Problem is: it's not correct | 01:07 |
| @rizen | are you sure that you've got the assetid and version correct? | 01:08 |
| @rizen | cuz you're not checking if $post is defined | 01:08 |
| arjancwidlak | Hmm | 01:08 |
| @rizen | your code is correct as far as i can see | 01:09 |
| @rizen | so it seems like your data might not be right | 01:09 |
| @rizen | incidentally you may also want to do: | 01:10 |
| @rizen | my $post = WebGUI::Asset->newByDynamicClass($session, $assetId); | 01:10 |
| @rizen | because post can be subclassed | 01:10 |
| @rizen | for example, by thread | 01:10 |
| @rizen | and in the future there may be more subclassing | 01:11 |
| @rizen | you'll also likely then want to do: if ($post->isa("WebGUI::Asset::Post")) { | 01:11 |
| @rizen | in case someone puts an an article assetid or something | 01:11 |
| @rizen | incidentally...rating is exposed to the template variables, so using this macro will slow down your page cuz it will reinstanciate the asset | 01:13 |
| @rizen | you may want to consider just using the template variable | 01:13 |
| arjancwidlak | This my $post = WebGUI::Asset->newByDynamicClass($session, $assetId); seems very handy. | 01:14 |
| @preaction | arjancwidlak, you don't want to get $post->get("rating"), you want to use the calculateRating method, or any method that actually goes out to the Post_rating table and gets all the ratings of the post | 01:14 |
| arjancwidlak | The rating was just to test. I have a SQL report that searces the threads on metadata, keyword, and properties of the poster. This SQL Report has to return a page that looks like an Collaboration system. I was looking for the image, so I could say $post->getImageUrl; | 01:16 |
| @rizen | newByDynamicClass *is* super handy | 01:16 |
| arjancwidlak | Anyhow, it seems that my revisiondate and assetId are correct: | 01:16 |
| arjancwidlak | mysql> select assetId, revisionDate from Post where content like "%post met rating"; | 01:16 |
| arjancwidlak | +------------------------+--------------+ | 01:16 |
| arjancwidlak | | assetId | revisionDate | | 01:16 |
| arjancwidlak | +------------------------+--------------+ | 01:16 |
| arjancwidlak | | pXHJDkLWRf76RJVV5enXqA | 1187904000 | | 01:16 |
| arjancwidlak | +------------------------+--------------+ | 01:16 |
| arjancwidlak | 1 row in set (0.00 sec) | 01:16 |
| arjancwidlak | mysql> select sum(rating) from Post_rating where assetId="pXHJDkLWRf76RJVV5enXqA"; | 01:16 |
| arjancwidlak | +-------------+ | 01:17 |
| arjancwidlak | | sum(rating) | | 01:17 |
| arjancwidlak | +-------------+ | 01:17 |
| @preaction | .. dude, seriously | 01:17 |
| arjancwidlak | | 2 | | 01:17 |
| arjancwidlak | +-------------+ | 01:17 |
| arjancwidlak | 1 row in set (0.00 sec)^PostById(pXHJDkLWRf76RJVV5enXqA,1187904000);<br /> | 01:17 |
| @preaction | we'll take your word for it, or ask you to pastebin at one of the various sites for it | 01:17 |
| arjancwidlak | However the macro returns 0 | 01:17 |
| arjancwidlak | Sorry preaction, didn't know that's not the habit. | 01:18 |
| @preaction | is $post undef? you should check. then check the error log | 01:18 |
| * preaction & # going to packer game | 01:18 | |
| @rizen | type: select rating from Post where assetId='pXHJDkLWRf76RJVV5enXqA' and revisionDate=1187904000 | 01:18 |
| arjancwidlak | I don't even have to type it, I understand already ... | 01:19 |
| @rizen | well what i want to know is what the value is in the database | 01:20 |
| @rizen | it may not match the Post_rating table | 01:20 |
| arjancwidlak | Yes, that's exactly the problem. | 01:20 |
| @rizen | that's a known bug | 01:20 |
| arjancwidlak | That value is 0, as the macro says; | 01:20 |
| @rizen | the Post_rating table is raw data, and the Post.rating field is a cached value | 01:21 |
| @rizen | the cached value is not being updated properly for some reason | 01:21 |
| @rizen | and that is a known bug | 01:21 |
| arjancwidlak | It works, thank you! | 01:23 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | hi sduensin | 15:41 |
| AMH_henry | good morning! | 15:41 |
| * SDuensin never said it was good. :-P | 15:42 | |
| AMH_bob | Boy, that's one way to start the last day of the week! | 15:44 |
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| sanyock3 | Hi All | 17:04 |
| danny_mk | hello | 17:04 |
| AMH_henry | hi | 17:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | hey | 17:04 |
| sanyock3 | danny_mk, I could not login again via OpenID, it says that user already registered | 17:06 |
| sanyock3 | looks like it tries to create the user again | 17:06 |
| danny_mk | Something is wrong, I will try to login again to your website. What is it again? | 17:08 |
| sanyock3 | aulix.com | 17:10 |
| sanyock3 | aulix.com/login | 17:11 |
| sanyock3 | OpenId is only on /login page now | 17:12 |
| danny_mk | lord have mercy, hold on my network conection is slooooowwww... | 17:16 |
| nuba | amen | 17:17 |
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| danny_mk | sanyock3: I logged in without a problem. This is kind of bugging me. I am loggin in again and this time I am setting myopenid.com to accept your site forever. | 17:26 |
| sanyock3 | I set to allow once | 17:26 |
| sanyock3 | just a moment, will copy the error | 17:26 |
| danny_mk | so did I and it let me in the next time, of course it set it to allow only once again! | 17:26 |
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| danny_mk | does anyone else have a test site they can run the OpenId module on? | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | not right now | 17:28 |
| danny_mk | just looking for at least one more volunteer. I just can't understand why it works fine on my site and not on sanyock's. | 17:29 |
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| danny_mk | OK sanyock2: I tried both ways, allowing just once and forever and they both work fine. | 18:04 |
| danny_mk | what browser are you using? | 18:04 |
| sanyock2 | I tried IE6 | 18:05 |
| danny_mk | that should work fine. | 18:05 |
| danny_mk | something just doesn not sound right with your account. | 18:05 |
| danny_mk | my account works fine on your system no matter how I try it. | 18:06 |
| danny_mk | Do me a favor. Login to your system with the admin account and check the OpenId uri for the account you are trying. | 18:07 |
| sanyock2 | Log In | 18:07 |
| sanyock2 | Error: | 18:07 |
| sanyock2 | That account name is already in use by another member of this site. Please try a different username. The following are some suggestions: | 18:07 |
| sanyock2 | sanyock.myopenid.comToo | 18:07 |
| sanyock2 | sanyock.myopenid.com2 | 18:07 |
| sanyock2 | sanyock.myopenid.com_2007 | 18:07 |
| sanyock2 | just a moment, I also was going to delete my openid accouont in webgui and then to create it again | 18:07 |
| danny_mk | that means that you are trying to create a new account. There can only be one account associated with a URI. | 18:07 |
| danny_mk | you don't need to do that. | 18:08 |
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| sanyock2 | http://sanyock.myopenid.com | 18:12 |
| sanyock2 | may be protocol should not be used | 18:12 |
| danny_mk | no that is fine. | 18:12 |
| danny_mk | OK, lets try another approach. | 18:13 |
| danny_mk | ready? | 18:13 |
| sanyock2 | you can try to login using my id | 18:13 |
| sanyock2 | I will PM the password | 18:13 |
| danny_mk | lets try something else. | 18:14 |
| danny_mk | go into WebGUI as admin, edit your account. Set the Authentication Method to WebGUI. Change your password. | 18:15 |
| danny_mk | logout and login again using your account. Does that work? | 18:15 |
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| sanyock2 | yes, it does | 18:18 |
| danny_mk | OK, now log back in as admin. edit your account. Set the Authentication Method to OpenId. Make sure that the OpenId identity is set to: http://sanyock.myopenid.com | 18:19 |
| sanyock2 | Allow User to Change Username? No | 18:20 |
| sanyock2 | Allow User to Change Password? No | 18:20 |
| danny_mk | those don't matter. | 18:21 |
| sanyock2 | done | 18:21 |
| danny_mk | Only one user in your system has the OpenId uri: http://sanyock.myopenid.com , right? | 18:22 |
| sanyock2 | should try openid auth now? | 18:22 |
| sanyock2 | let me check using MySQLFront | 18:22 |
| sanyock2 | which table contains this info? | 18:25 |
| danny_mk | hold on. | 18:26 |
| sanyock2 | most lile authentication | 18:27 |
| sanyock2 | likely | 18:27 |
| sanyock2 | yes, it is there and my id is unique | 18:28 |
| sanyock2 | only in one recrod | 18:28 |
| danny_mk | OK, try the OpenId login now. | 18:29 |
| sanyock2 | is it somehow possible to disconnect sanyock from server completely, it is an old jabber agent session | 18:30 |
| sanyock2 | now using sanyock2 | 18:30 |
| sanyock2 | may I use openid without http:// prefix now? | 18:32 |
| danny_mk | no | 18:32 |
| sanyock2 | I mean typing into login box | 18:32 |
| sanyock2 | may be it was the reason of error | 18:32 |
| danny_mk | use http://sanyock.myopenid.com | 18:32 |
| danny_mk | it needs to know the protocol! | 18:32 |
| sanyock2 | with http it worked fine | 18:33 |
| sanyock2 | I just tried without http once again and it failed. so protocol was the reason certainly | 18:34 |
| sanyock2 | may be it is possible to make http:// the default protocol ? | 18:35 |
| danny_mk | good. Geeeshh.... I knew I was not crazy. | 18:35 |
| sanyock2 | and let skipping it? | 18:35 |
| sanyock2 | :) | 18:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | danny_nk | 18:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | you might wanna use the url form element | 18:36 |
| danny_mk | sure you can do that in your form. But, what if someone needs to use another protocol? | 18:36 |
| danny_mk | MrHairgrease: You mean, when buidling the form | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | $f->url(...) | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | in stead of $f->text | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | or whatever you use | 18:37 |
| danny_mk | hmmm... hold on. | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | it will popup a js alert box if you don't fill in the protocol | 18:37 |
| danny_mk | cool, good idea. However, he built his own form. I will modify mine to use url | 18:38 |
| sanyock2 | O offer if protocol:// is absent then default it to http | 18:39 |
| sanyock2 | otherwise use which was specified | 18:39 |
| sanyock2 | btw which other protocols can be widely used? | 18:39 |
| danny_mk | https/ftp/... | 18:40 |
| sanyock2 | other question. WebGUI has a protection from bot registration | 18:40 |
| danny_mk | Yeah, I guess a captcha image would work there. | 18:40 |
| sanyock2 | if someone runs his own openid server on a zombied host it is possible to flood an OpenId enabled website? | 18:41 |
| danny_mk | well, it would be the same way if they try any other WebGUI registration method. | 18:41 |
| sanyock2 | may be captcha should be added for first time OpenId login | 18:42 |
| sanyock2 | and later OpenId logins of the same id would go without captcha | 18:42 |
| danny_mk | well, that is a little tricky. If you do not allow anonymous registrations then this is not a problem | 18:43 |
| danny_mk | however, if you do allow anonymous registrations then it gets a little trickier. | 18:45 |
| danny_mk | Post a reply to this RFE: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/openid#mRsVPo4-VT3Cv61eV1rRcw with the captcha suggestion. | 18:46 |
| sanyock2 | without anonymous it is not required | 18:48 |
| sanyock2 | because predefined account is intended being a "good" (not flooder) | 18:48 |
| sanyock2 | and he cannot flood new account registrations anyway | 18:49 |
| sanyock2 | because selfreg would be off | 18:49 |
| sanyock2 | it is useful only for aliens | 18:49 |
| danny_mk | if aliens=non-registered-users then you are right :-) | 18:51 |
| sanyock2 | yes :) | 18:52 |
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| sanyock2 | RFE comment posted | 18:56 |
| danny_mk | OK, thank you. | 18:58 |
| sanyock2 | may i post my offer about defaulting protocol to http? | 19:01 |
| danny_mk | I already fixed that in the Macro | 19:03 |
| danny_mk | as per MrHarigrease suggestion | 19:03 |
| danny_mk | just tested it a few min ago. | 19:03 |
| danny_mk | works right. | 19:03 |
| danny_mk | However, you do not use the macro on your website so you need to set that up on your form. | 19:03 |
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| danny_mk | try using a default value in your input tag like: <input type="text" value="http://" name="openIdUri"> | 19:07 |
| danny_mk | maybe a little reminder will work for those people who forget to put in the http: :-) | 19:08 |
| sanyock2 | I reverted back to using macro | 19:09 |
| sanyock2 | also posted my RFE | 19:09 |
| danny_mk | OK, I will upload the new version which contains the updated macro. | 19:09 |
| * sanyock2 interested, did plainblack review ability to use an ORM for WebGUI ? | 19:10 | |
| danny_mk | that would require a serious re-write of a lot of the modules | 19:12 |
| @preaction | it would require a serious re-write of the API, which is not allowed until 2009 | 19:13 |
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| danny_mk | preaction: are you still around? | 20:50 |
| @preaction | yes'm | 20:50 |
| danny_mk | did you include the templates in your package? | 20:51 |
| danny_mk | I did not seem to get any. | 20:51 |
| @preaction | you got two links, one chat.tar that has all the code, and one chat_templates.wgpkg that has all the templates | 20:51 |
| danny_mk | yup | 20:51 |
| danny_mk | I got them both | 20:51 |
| @preaction | as i said, i wasn't sure if the wgpkg would work correctly, did you import it into webgui? | 20:52 |
| danny_mk | however I imported the chat_templates.wgpkg but there were not templates | 20:52 |
| danny_mk | not=no | 20:52 |
| danny_mk | I have to step away from my kb, brb | 20:57 |
| @preaction | apparently i can't edit tar archives with a text editor and have them come out right | 21:02 |
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| danny_mk | OK :-) | 21:20 |
| danny_mk | I will definitely need the templates or I will have to do a lot of guessing :-) | 21:25 |
| @preaction | working on it | 21:25 |
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| @preaction | so apparently a package i export from 7.3.22 i can't import into 7.4.x | 22:00 |
| danny_mk | OK. | 22:27 |
| @preaction | i'm building an SQL query that will insert the appropriate folder in the import node along with all the templates | 22:28 |
| @preaction | of course, forming the dump from the old site is taking longer than expected | 22:28 |
| danny_mk | ok, I will wait for your stuff before I continue. | 22:28 |
| danny_mk | in the interim I am looking at the OpenId options and others to retrieve email info and possibly other properties from providers | 22:29 |
| @preaction | danny_mk, http://jt.plainblack.com/mirrors/chat_templates.sql <- you may want to make a backup before you use that | 22:48 |
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| danny_mk | ok | 23:00 |
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| arjancwidlak | who #webgui | 16:55 |
| arjancwidlak | You can't change a file in the userProfile with the profilField subroutine can you? | 16:57 |
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| @preaction | arjancwidlak, you can get the storage location with the profileField. once you have that you can change the file | 17:17 |
| arjancwidlak | Do you now where in WebGUI this is handeled? Because I'm looking through Operation/Profile.pm and have a hard time finding out where WebGUI notices the formValue is a file and calls storage or something like that. If I grep on __avatar_action or one of the other profile input values I find nothing. | 17:19 |
| @preaction | it's in the WebGUI::Form::File control | 17:21 |
| arjancwidlak | Thanks I'm going to have a look there | 17:22 |
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| s1037989 | Hi! I'm new to WebGUI and am trying to move off of the seemingly dying Mambo. I found this in the webgui.log: WORKFLOW: Response for QfxFlGDaojUq8gWBQM9KTg was redirected. This should never happen if configured properly | 18:42 |
| s1037989 | Any ideas? | 18:42 |
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| arjancwidlak | Hi If I upload a file I should take these steps isn't it? 1. process the data via form->process, 2. create a form object via form->file and then 3. get the StorageId via getValueFromPost? | 19:31 |
| arjancwidlak | You can see the code here http://sial.org/pbot/27061 | 19:31 |
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| arjancwidlak | Hi guys, what's wrong with this: $storeObject->addFileFromFormPost("avatar",1000) | 20:56 |
| arjancwidlak | Can somebody tell me how to upload a file in a macro in webgui? I'm busy for hours already, and I can't find out | 20:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | arjan, that seems to be correct | 21:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | don't you get any entries in your webggui.log? | 21:22 |
| arjancwidlak | no, none at all | 21:23 |
| arjancwidlak | I've tried other ways in the mean time | 21:23 |
| arjancwidlak | but let me get back now to that one, one second | 21:23 |
| arjancwidlak | Martin: if i say this: | 21:26 |
| arjancwidlak | my $avatarId = WebGUI::Form::File->new($session,{name => 'avatar_file'})->getValueFromPost; | 21:26 |
| arjancwidlak | shouln't my file have uploaded? | 21:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | it should be something like that | 21:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | you could check the WebGUI::Operation::Profile->editProfileSave and see how it works | 21:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I'm pretty sure that's about correct | 21:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | can you send me your macro | 21:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | ? | 21:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'll have a look at it | 21:28 |
| arjancwidlak | Here it is: | 21:29 |
| arjancwidlak | http://sial.org/pbot/27064 | 21:29 |
| arjancwidlak | You see a snippet I've put on the page /blogzine above | 21:30 |
| arjancwidlak | the macro code is below | 21:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | It could have something to do with macro caching | 21:30 |
| arjancwidlak | In getValueFromPost, it checks on an additional "private" input box | 21:30 |
| arjancwidlak | so that's why it has a second input box 'upload' | 21:31 |
| arjancwidlak | What's macro caching? | 21:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | it means that macro's with identical parameters are exected only once | 21:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that's prolly not it | 21:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | since it still should have executed at least once | 21:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | your page has no caching right? | 21:32 |
| arjancwidlak | my snippet doesn't | 21:32 |
| arjancwidlak | pages have no cahce do they? | 21:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | apparently not | 21:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | they used to though | 21:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | what is it returning? | 21:34 |
| arjancwidlak | nothing at all, no errors | 21:34 |
| arjancwidlak | If I change WebGUI::Form::File to WebGUI::Form::Hidden it says 'arjan.jpg', the file I was uploading, so I guess that's right | 21:36 |
| arjancwidlak | In sub getValueFromPost addFileFromFormPost is called | 21:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 21:38 |
| arjancwidlak | if I call that subroutine immediately it doesn't do anything eighter | 21:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm reading that | 21:38 |
| arjancwidlak | So I was just trying the foreach loop, to tell me the value of upload | 21:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | have you tried something like this: | 21:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | my $avatarId = $session->form->process('avatar', 'file'); ? | 21:41 |
| arjancwidlak | You mean process('avatar_file', .. ? | 21:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 21:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | just like i wrote it | 21:43 |
| arjancwidlak | It returns nothing | 21:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 21:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | i might have found the problem | 21:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | change | 21:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | __avatar_action | 21:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | into | 21:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | __avataraction | 21:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | and try again | 21:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | this is in the html btw | 21:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | not the macro | 21:49 |
| arjancwidlak | Yes, I've done there | 21:50 |
| arjancwidlak | Both the new and the code code return nothing | 21:50 |
| arjancwidlak | Why did you think that might be the problem? | 21:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | Check out WebGUI::Form::Control->pivateName | 21:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | it does not put in the extra underscore | 21:51 |
| arjancwidlak | ok | 21:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | moment please | 21:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll put it on my own box | 21:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | and try it | 21:52 |
| arjancwidlak | That's great | 21:52 |
| arjancwidlak | shouldn't foreach my $upload ($session->request->upload("avatar")) or avatar_file not return the value of the inputbox? Because it doesn't. | 21:54 |
| arjancwidlak | I've got it: it's the form! | 21:59 |
| arjancwidlak | enctype="multipart/form-data" | 21:59 |
| arjancwidlak | The text in the private name subroutine told me: Creates a safe, private name for additional use in multi-part forms | 21:59 |
| arjancwidlak | like File and Image. | 21:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh crap | 21:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | i knew that | 21:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | well | 22:00 |
| arjancwidlak | This works now: my $avatarId = $session->form->process('avatar', 'file'); | 22:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok great | 22:00 |
| arjancwidlak | and the file gets uploaded too! | 22:02 |
| arjancwidlak | Thanx Martin, you probably saved me hours. I was just giving up. | 22:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | why is that? | 22:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | you found the problem | 22:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | not me | 22:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | i knew about it | 22:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | but not | 22:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | rembere it | 22:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | remember | 22:04 |
| arjancwidlak | Yes, but I would not have found it if I didn't start reading Control-privateName | 22:05 |
| arjancwidlak | It's __avatar_action by the way. | 22:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | it is? | 22:05 |
| arjancwidlak | Yes, I just tried both | 22:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 22:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | weird | 22:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | you might wanna use image in stead of file though | 22:06 |
| arjancwidlak | I'm creating a macro which allows you to alter individual profileFields and returns you to either a given page - if no errors - or the same page - if errors. | 22:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | that'll create a thumbnail on the fly iirc | 22:06 |
| arjancwidlak | Yes, I see, that works | 22:07 |
| arjancwidlak | What does my $avatarId = $session->form->process('avatar', 'file'); do? | 22:10 |
| arjancwidlak | There is no sub process in WebGUI/Form.pm | 22:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | it is in WG::Session::Form | 22:11 |
| arjancwidlak | Ah, yes | 22:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 22:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | i see why it doies have the extra underscore | 22:14 |
| arjancwidlak | IWell? | 22:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | it does a join | 22:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it's written a bit different than i'm familiar with | 22:14 |
| arjancwidlak | Ah, I'm goin to join with some French Fries now, hunry. Hear you later | 22:14 |
| arjancwidlak | And thanx again. | 22:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | bon apetit! | 22:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | np | 22:15 |
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| s1037989 | Hey, sorry to ask again, but does anyone know anything about this error message in webgui.log: WORKFLOW: Response for 7C6YG-MQrmTX94SZB2LsQA was redirected. This should never happen if configured properly!!! | 00:32 |
| s1037989 | So apparently WebGUI isn't configured properly, but I have no idea to what it is referring. | 00:32 |
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| s1037989 | Hello, is anyone active in this room? | 00:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | Only during commercial breaks =) | 00:38 |
| s1037989 | Haha! Do you recognize this error message in webgui.log: WORKFLOW: Response for 7C6YG-MQrmTX94SZB2LsQA was redirected. This should never happen if configured properly!!! | 00:38 |
| s1037989 | So apparently WebGUI isn't configured properly, but I have no idea to what it is referring. | 00:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | make sure that the sitename option in webgui.conf | 00:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | its first entry that is | 00:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | is set to the correct url for your webgui site | 00:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you run spectre with: perl spectre.pl --run --debug | 00:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | it'll show to what site it's trying to connect | 00:40 |
| s1037989 | The site name only needs to be the FQDN, correct? | 00:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes | 00:40 |
| s1037989 | My gateway is /main, do I need to include that in the sitename? | 00:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 00:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you have domain xyz | 00:41 |
| s1037989 | "sitename" : [ "www.assumptionstl.org", "assumptionstl.org"], | 00:41 |
| s1037989 | <VirtualHost *:80> | 00:41 |
| s1037989 | ServerName www.assumptionstl.org | 00:41 |
| s1037989 | ServerAlias assumptionstl.org | 00:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | strange | 00:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | run spectre.pl in debug mode | 00:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | and it'll show which server it's trying to connect to | 00:43 |
| s1037989 | Looks good. Errors show up in webgui.log but not spectre debug mode. | 00:44 |
| s1037989 | It just keeps looping: no workflows... | 00:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | try to trigger a workflow | 00:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | eg. commit something | 00:44 |
| s1037989 | # perl spectre.pl --run --debug | 00:45 |
| s1037989 | ADMIN: Trying to bind to 127.0.0.1:32133 | 00:45 |
| s1037989 | ADMIN: Starting Spectre administrative manager. | 00:45 |
| s1037989 | Well, I go to to import a package, it tells me "Problem With Request". | 00:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | it'll tell you which host it's connecting to when it's executing a workflow | 00:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh that's something different prolly | 00:46 |
| s1037989 | # netstat -pan | grep LISTEN | grep 32133 | 00:46 |
| s1037989 | That seems strange? | 00:46 |
| s1037989 | There's no results for the netstat on 32133 | 00:46 |
| s1037989 | Which is what spectre debug says it's connecting to. | 00:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's not good | 00:47 |
| s1037989 | Oh, I stopped my debug... :) | 00:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 00:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | then it is good | 00:47 |
| s1037989 | # netstat -pan | grep LISTEN | grep 32133 | 00:47 |
| s1037989 | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:32133 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2563/perl | 00:47 |
| s1037989 | There we go. | 00:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 00:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's ok | 00:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | but start --run --debug | 00:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | and commit something | 00:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | no packages | 00:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | just an article or so | 00:48 |
| s1037989 | WORKFLOW: Adding workflow instance 6w_A9Bb7KXmv72Ly8T7zVA from www.assumptionstl.org to queue at priority 10. | 00:49 |
| s1037989 | WORKFLOW: Checking to see if we can run anymore instances right now. | 00:49 |
| s1037989 | WORKFLOW: There are 0 running instances. | 00:49 |
| s1037989 | WORKFLOW: Total workflows waiting to run: 1 | 00:49 |
| s1037989 | WORKFLOW: Looking for a workflow instance to run. | 00:49 |
| s1037989 | WORKFLOW: Looks like 6w_A9Bb7KXmv72Ly8T7zVA at priority 10 would be a good workflow instance to run. | 00:49 |
| s1037989 | WORKFLOW: Preparing to run workflow instance 6w_A9Bb7KXmv72Ly8T7zVA. | 00:49 |
| s1037989 | WORKFLOW: Posting workflow instance 6w_A9Bb7KXmv72Ly8T7zVA to http://www.assumptionstl.org:80/main. | 00:49 |
| s1037989 | WORKFLOW: Workflow instance 6w_A9Bb7KXmv72Ly8T7zVA posted. | 00:49 |
| s1037989 | WORKFLOW: Retrieving response from workflow instance. | 00:49 |
| s1037989 | WORKFLOW: Response retrieved is for 6w_A9Bb7KXmv72Ly8T7zVA. | 00:49 |
| s1037989 | WORKFLOW: [Error] Response for 6w_A9Bb7KXmv72Ly8T7zVA was redirected. This should never happen if configured properly!!! | 00:49 |
| s1037989 | WORKFLOW: Checking to see if we can run anymore instances right now. | 00:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://www.assumptionstl.org:80/main. | 00:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's the problem | 00:50 |
| s1037989 | ? | 00:50 |
| s1037989 | I don't follow? What's wrong with it? | 00:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | it should be www.assumptionstl.org | 00:50 |
| s1037989 | But I thought I could make my gateway /main? | 00:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe i'm misunderstanding | 00:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | what do you mean by that? | 00:51 |
| s1037989 | Well, I wanted to have the main site on the top-level be something else, while I use /main as a so-called development area for testing WebGUI before making it live. | 00:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 00:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | you can do that | 00:52 |
| s1037989 | So I have this: "gateway" : "/main", | 00:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | but there's only one webgui instance | 00:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 00:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | i see | 00:52 |
| s1037989 | Correct. | 00:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | i dunno how that works | 00:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | gimme a moment | 00:53 |
| s1037989 | So should I just not use the gateway "feature" and leave it at /? | 00:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | /main has a redirect | 00:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's why it fails | 00:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | what you should do is | 00:53 |
| s1037989 | I have an Apache /main Location directive. Do you mean that? | 00:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | go to Admin Console > Settings > Content | 00:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | and set the home page to /main | 00:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | remove the gateway setting | 00:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | That way people will enter your site at the '/main' page | 00:54 |
| s1037989 | So I need to create an Assett Folder called /main? | 00:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | wait | 00:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | the old site is not running webgui... | 00:56 |
| s1037989 | No :80/ is running Mambo. We're trying to do away with tha... :) | 00:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's good | 00:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm not sure why :80/main is redirecting | 00:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that is the problem | 00:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 00:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | check this out | 00:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | wget -S http://www.assumptionstl.org:80/main | 00:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | in comparison with | 00:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | wget -S http://www.assumptionstl.org:80/main/ | 00:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | the second doesn't do a redirect | 00:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | so you could either try to: | 00:59 |
| s1037989 | I see. On the first, Apache gives a Location: to the second. Apache wants it to have a / | 00:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | you could try to fix that (if possible) | 01:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | or try to set the gateway option to 'main/' | 01:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 01:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | have to go | 01:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | good luck | 01:01 |
| s1037989 | NP. Thanks!! :) | 01:01 |
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| @preaction | s1037989, do you have an apache <Location /main> or <Location main/> ? | 01:55 |
| @preaction | or did you figure it out already? | 01:55 |
| arjancwidlak | preaction, You're Doug aren't you? | 01:57 |
| @preaction | yes'm | 01:57 |
| arjancwidlak | Can I ask you something | 01:57 |
| @preaction | surely | 01:57 |
| arjancwidlak | There are privateNames such as __xxx_action | 01:57 |
| arjancwidlak | and files in the profile get _file appended | 01:57 |
| arjancwidlak | I've found the subroutnie privateName | 01:58 |
| arjancwidlak | that rejoins the names | 01:58 |
| arjancwidlak | but where is _file taken of the profile name? | 01:58 |
| @preaction | i think you've stumped me, but that's not hard to do. what module are you looking in? | 01:59 |
| arjancwidlak | Well, I don't know where to look | 02:01 |
| @preaction | looks like line 266 of WebGUI::Form::File | 02:01 |
| @preaction | it's a rather ugly line | 02:01 |
| @preaction | looks like the javascript generates the *_file controls | 02:01 |
| arjancwidlak | Yes, that's were it's generated, but where is it taken off? | 02:02 |
| arjancwidlak | Because it has to be taken off somewhere | 02:02 |
| @preaction | you mean where is it handled? where's the file uploaded? | 02:02 |
| arjancwidlak | No, give me a second | 02:02 |
| arjancwidlak | In www_editProfileSave validateProfileData is called, in validateProfileData loops through all editable fields and returns \%data, $error and $warning. In data the fieldName and value are stored. it returns to www_editProfileSave, there it loops through the fieldNames and calles user->profileField to save it. | 02:09 |
| arjancwidlak | So my conclusion: somewhere in sub profileField the _file must be taken off, but if don't see it. | 02:09 |
| @preaction | oh, no, it doesn't need to be taken off: the fieldName doesn't have it on initially, it's added by the getValueFromFormPost sub | 02:10 |
| @preaction | so you have a field with name "avatar", which generates "_avatar_action" and "_avatar_file", then getValueFromFormPost takes the name "avatar" and knows it's looking for _avatar_action and _avatar_file | 02:10 |
| @preaction | line 219 of WebGUI::Form::File, in the getValueFromFormPost sub | 02:11 |
| @preaction | er. getValueFromPost | 02:11 |
| arjancwidlak | Sorry, I'm dissy from it. So avatar_file is send by the form to WebGUI. | 02:15 |
| arjancwidlak | there it's processed by editProfileSave | 02:15 |
| arjancwidlak | getValueFromPost is not called immediately | 02:15 |
| arjancwidlak | or is it? | 02:15 |
| @preaction | wtf, now i'm looking at all this code and i'm not getting it either... | 02:17 |
| @preaction | where is getValueFromPost called? | 02:17 |
| arjancwidlak | 1. avatar_file -> WG | 02:18 |
| arjancwidlak | 2. editProfileSave | 02:18 |
| arjancwidlak | 3. validateProfileData | 02:18 |
| arjancwidlak | 4. field -> formProcess | 02:19 |
| @preaction | formProcess calls WebGUI::Session::Form->process, which calls getValueFromPost | 02:19 |
| @preaction | ha! | 02:19 |
| @preaction | 269 of WebGUI::ProfileField | 02:20 |
| arjancwidlak | formProcess calls form->process, I see that it gives | 02:21 |
| arjancwidlak | $self->getId as name | 02:21 |
| @preaction | $self being the WebGUI::ProfileField | 02:21 |
| arjancwidlak | yes, but I'm sorry, it's not the name from the form is it? | 02:22 |
| @preaction | yes, they're the same thing | 02:22 |
| @preaction | it's the profile field's name, which is the name from the form | 02:22 |
| @preaction | i mean, the File upload control doesn't actually have a single field with the name $self->getId, but it uses $self->getId to make the names of the fields it does use | 02:23 |
| @preaction | er, it has a hidden field with a storageId i think | 02:23 |
| @preaction | with the name the same as $self->getId (which is the name of the profileField and the column in the userProfileData table) | 02:23 |
| @preaction | in theory, the $self->getId."_file" field name should be using the privateName sub probably, but it works the way it works | 02:24 |
| arjancwidlak | Ok, form->process calls getId in module ProfileField, getId calls get("fieldName") | 02:27 |
| arjancwidlak | and there I loose it | 02:27 |
| arjancwidlak | I understand how the form is generated, but I don't understand how | 02:27 |
| @preaction | the WebGUI::ProfileField is translated into a WebGUI::Form::Control by the WebGUI::ProfileField->formProperties subroutine | 02:28 |
| @preaction | one of the arguments to WebGUI::Session::Form->process is a hashref of properties to make a WebGUI::Form::Control (since our second argument, which is required, is the class name) | 02:29 |
| arjancwidlak | Wow, I'm really having trouble getting this. So in valudateProfileDate every field *from the database* is passed to formProcess, there form->process is called with that name, avalid profileField according to the database, right or wrong? | 02:36 |
| @preaction | every editable field from the database, yes | 02:36 |
| @preaction | form->process is given the name of the field, the field's type (the class name), the field's default value, and a hashref of properties to create a WebGUI::Form::Control (4 arguments to form->process) | 02:37 |
| arjancwidlak | before - in formProcess - form->process is given the 4 arguments, _formProperties is called with the current value of the profileField | 02:44 |
| @preaction | because the value isn't yet known by the ProfileField (ProfileField objects don't store values, only WebGUI::Form::Control objects do) | 02:45 |
| arjancwidlak | In _formProperties is defined what properties the formField may have, not? Allowed properties so to say | 02:48 |
| @preaction | not really, you can pass anything as a hashref to formProperties | 02:49 |
| @preaction | inside the subroutine itself though, it translates the necessary data from the ProfileField properties into a Form::Control properties | 02:49 |
| arjancwidlak | But at some point, the name * with _file * must come into play | 02:51 |
| arjancwidlak | Perhaps I'm making this too difficult | 02:51 |
| arjancwidlak | What I'm trying to do is this: | 02:52 |
| arjancwidlak | I want to create a macro that updates *some* profileFields | 02:52 |
| @preaction | the name with _file comes into play when (and only when) getValueFromPost is called | 02:52 |
| arjancwidlak | In editProfileSave this seems very simple | 02:52 |
| @preaction | so if you call getValueFromPost, you're all fine like wine | 02:53 |
| @preaction | if you really want, i can tell you how to add your own operations, though JT will kill me for it if it ever gets out that i told you | 02:53 |
| @preaction | in WebGUI::Operation there's a huge hash reference of operationName => Class::Name, where the Class:Name has a method called www_operationName | 02:54 |
| @preaction | make a diff of WebGUI::Operation.pm and apply it every time you upgrade (if you so desire) | 02:54 |
| @preaction | my desire is to make operations pluggable, since that will be useful to people, but I need more support before JT will agree | 02:54 |
| arjancwidlak | I believe my collegue Yung once did something like this, but, then, he's much better than I am. | 02:55 |
| @preaction | wouldn't doubt it, it's not as difficult as it seems, but it'd be even easier to just change is so they were pluggable (and then I wouldn't have to deal with the inadequacy of that huge hash reference) | 02:56 |
| @preaction | basically the hash reference would be built by sbin/preload.perl | 02:57 |
| @preaction | but we'll do it the macro way | 02:57 |
| @preaction | i assume you have a macro already that draws the form using the proper API for it, right? | 02:57 |
| @preaction | then the same macro detects if the Submit button has been pressed and then goes through the fields displayed and calls getValueFromPost on them to put the value into the user's profile, no? | 02:58 |
| arjancwidlak | I have static HTML that goes to a page with the macro on it. This macro should update just the few profilefields it receives. In editProfileSave it seems simple to store all the values, you just call validateProfileData, but since validateProfileData forces you to give it *all* required fiels. I don't want that. | 02:59 |
| arjancwidlak | Therefore I thought | 03:00 |
| arjancwidlak | i loop trough | 03:00 |
| arjancwidlak | both the editable fields | 03:00 |
| arjancwidlak | and the fields it recieves | 03:00 |
| arjancwidlak | if there's a mathc then .. | 03:00 |
| arjancwidlak | so I thought | 03:00 |
| arjancwidlak | lets have a look at where these names are made equal | 03:01 |
| arjancwidlak | whre avatar_file is made into avatar | 03:01 |
| @preaction | why not give the fieldNames to the macro in its arguments? ^ProcessProfile("fieldName","fieldName2"); | 03:01 |
| @preaction | but if you're going that far, you could have the macro generate the form for you too ;) | 03:02 |
| arjancwidlak | I didnt' give any arguments I posted the form to a page where the macro's on | 03:02 |
| arjancwidlak | But perhaps that's a simple solution: make multiple pages and give the names of the fields i want updated | 03:03 |
| arjancwidlak | Less elegant, but i would work | 03:03 |
| arjancwidlak | The HTML of the page is so complex, it needs static HTML | 03:03 |
| @preaction | i dunno, i'd think more elegant, you've written a macro that can be used anywhere, on any site, just by specifying profile field names | 03:03 |
| @preaction | needs? why? | 03:04 |
| @preaction | make it templatable while you're at it perhaps? | 03:04 |
| @preaction | have the first argument be a template ID | 03:04 |
| arjancwidlak | Yes, possibly, but let me first solve this part of the problem | 03:04 |
| @preaction | make the fields into template fields a la form_<profileFieldName> | 03:04 |
| @preaction | ok | 03:04 |
| arjancwidlak | You're right of course, that would work. And I think it's not a problem | 03:05 |
| arjancwidlak | But I thouht to just post the form and loop thought the names it receives, that always works | 03:05 |
| @preaction | usually, yes | 03:06 |
| arjancwidlak | Naming the the fields in the macro's arguments is actually the same isn't it? | 03:06 |
| @preaction | but there are those private names, and some form controls don't even make private names at all | 03:06 |
| @preaction | they just magically make fieldName_blah fields | 03:06 |
| arjancwidlak | Yes, but that's on the form creation side | 03:07 |
| @preaction | yeah, but you have to process them :( | 03:07 |
| arjancwidlak | my problem is on the recieving end | 03:07 |
| @preaction | or rather, ignore them | 03:07 |
| arjancwidlak | but how can I ignore them, if I call validateProfileFields, it forces me to provide all fields | 03:07 |
| @preaction | oh, right, because you have to call that to make sure all the profile fields are valid / filled in / otherwise | 03:09 |
| @preaction | hmm... | 03:09 |
| arjancwidlak | I made a very simple version here | 03:10 |
| arjancwidlak | http://sial.org/pbot/27069 | 03:10 |
| arjancwidlak | That works because I use avatar_file in the form | 03:10 |
| arjancwidlak | and add the hidden private field | 03:10 |
| @preaction | oh that's crap. if you're only editing part of a profile (as in, your macro), the validateProfileFields subroutine would basically destroy those fields you didn't submit | 03:10 |
| arjancwidlak | Yes | 03:10 |
| arjancwidlak | But it doesn't because it gives an error | 03:10 |
| @preaction | unless you either (a) made them all hidden fields with the existing values (which is ugly) | 03:11 |
| @preaction | or (b) altered validateProfileFields to take an array of fieldNames (elegant and awesome) | 03:11 |
| arjancwidlak | Yes, that's definedly a possibility | 03:11 |
| arjancwidlak | Yes, that's was what I was doing | 03:11 |
| arjancwidlak | instead of | 03:12 |
| arjancwidlak | foreach my $field (@{WebGUI::ProfileField->getEditableFields($session)}) { | 03:12 |
| arjancwidlak | i tried to use | 03:12 |
| arjancwidlak | my $params = $session->form->paramsHashRef; | 03:12 |
| arjancwidlak | in my own my_validateProfileData | 03:12 |
| arjancwidlak | however ... | 03:12 |
| @preaction | then we go back to the original problem | 03:13 |
| arjancwidlak | I also neded my own formProcess | 03:13 |
| arjancwidlak | etc. | 03:13 |
| arjancwidlak | Yes, we're back to the original problem | 03:13 |
| arjancwidlak | I tried to solve it by | 03:13 |
| arjancwidlak | doing first a loop | 03:14 |
| arjancwidlak | foreach my $field (keys %{$params}) { | 03:14 |
| arjancwidlak | and then a loop | 03:14 |
| arjancwidlak | foreach my $profileField (@{WebGUI::ProfileField->getEditableFields($session)}) { | 03:14 |
| arjancwidlak | but in the first loop | 03:14 |
| arjancwidlak | i have to get rid of the 'other' | 03:14 |
| arjancwidlak | values | 03:14 |
| arjancwidlak | such as | 03:14 |
| arjancwidlak | the hidden fields | 03:14 |
| arjancwidlak | and of course i have to strip off _file | 03:14 |
| arjancwidlak | but only when it's a file | 03:15 |
| @preaction | why not keep your first loop and then instead of adding a second loop do: | 03:15 |
| @preaction | next unless grep { $_ eq $field } @{WebGUI::ProfileField->getEditableFields($session)} | 03:15 |
| @preaction | i don't know if that sub returns names or objects though | 03:15 |
| @preaction | you might have to make it a map | 03:15 |
| @preaction | a la: grep { } map { $_->getId } @{WebGUI::ProfileField->getEditableFields}; | 03:16 |
| arjancwidlak | objects, but you can do: $profileField->getId | 03:16 |
| @preaction | then it'd probably be more efficient to instanciate them once outside the loop, so my @editableFields = @{WebGUI::ProfileField->getEditableFields}; and then inside the loop: next unless grep { $_ eq $field } @editableFields; | 03:17 |
| arjancwidlak | That would probably do it. And then of course match on the hidden fields and match on xxxxx_file | 03:18 |
| arjancwidlak | to exclude the hidden fields | 03:18 |
| arjancwidlak | and to get the right name for the file fields | 03:18 |
| @preaction | there isn't a hidden field with the user's storageId? | 03:19 |
| arjancwidlak | Does $profileField->get("fieldType"); return "file" on files? | 03:19 |
| @preaction | the entire className actually | 03:19 |
| @preaction | WebGUI::Form::File (or WebGUI::Form::Image) | 03:19 |
| @preaction | so $profileField->get("fieldType")->isa("WebGUI::Form::File") would tell you if it's a type of file upload control | 03:20 |
| @preaction | (either file or image) | 03:20 |
| arjancwidlak | Why would you need a hidden field with the user's storageId? | 03:20 |
| arjancwidlak | Do you mean a users storageId or a avatar or file storageId? | 03:21 |
| perlmonkey2 | Anyone who's familiar with the survey code, is the only purpose of the Survey Section to allow forking of the survey's path? | 03:22 |
| @preaction | arjancwidlak, i mean the avatar/file storageId. i thought it re-used the same one each time | 03:25 |
| arjancwidlak | No, it's not in a hidden field, but it's easy to get. | 03:25 |
| arjancwidlak | and to set | 03:25 |
| arjancwidlak | I want to both delete and add a new file in one routine, as opposed to giving a new page and upload then | 03:26 |
| arjancwidlak | I don't think that's a problem | 03:26 |
| @preaction | now the problem is that it's established as a practice to not be required to have at least one field with the actual name | 03:26 |
| @preaction | damnit, i just forgot something i had to tell my new tenant... brb | 03:27 |
| @preaction | er.. remembered that i forgot | 03:27 |
| @preaction | (she has to call to put utilities in her name) | 03:27 |
| arjancwidlak | sorry if I kept you up, you've helped me a lot, thanks | 03:27 |
| @preaction | nono, i'll be back, but i still think the best solution to this problem is what i outlined earlier (giving names to a macro and altering validateProfileData to take an arrayref of profile field names) | 03:28 |
| @preaction | i think i might be able to persuade JT to put a solution like that into the core, citing "Allows Admins to create mini-panels for specific profile fields, making the profile system more powerful" | 03:29 |
| arjancwidlak | Yes, a good argument might be: other systems can | 03:29 |
| arjancwidlak | I know of one, I can look it up if you like | 03:29 |
| @preaction | and hold you as an example of "other people are already bending WebGUI to do it" | 03:30 |
| @preaction | i mean, like the rat problem, for every one you see, there's a dozen you don't ;) | 03:30 |
| @preaction | (not to compare you to a rat, of course) | 03:30 |
| @preaction | ;) | 03:30 |
| arjancwidlak | Thanx | 03:30 |
| @preaction | though in software it's more like 1:1000 | 03:31 |
| arjancwidlak | I'm going to make my own validateProfileData in the macro, as an exercise | 03:31 |
| arjancwidlak | I'm going to look how to grep { } map { $_->getId } | 03:31 |
| arjancwidlak | +@{WebGUI::ProfileField->getEditableFields}; | 03:31 |
| @preaction | there's 19 non-bot, non-staff, non-PBWG in here, and an order of magnitude more people actually using webgui | 03:32 |
| @preaction | anyway, gotta run downstairs, good luck and we'll be here if you run into any more snags | 03:32 |
| arjancwidlak | Good luck, thanx | 03:32 |
| @preaction | if you need just Perl code advice, the people in #perl are usually friendly (if you've read the perldoc and googled first) | 03:32 |
| perlmonkey2 | There are only 190 people using WebGUI? | 03:36 |
| perlmonkey2 | This is disturbing. | 03:36 |
| arjancwidlak | 190, that's just my customerbase | 03:36 |
| arjancwidlak | And yes, it is disturbing it's not more | 03:37 |
| perlmonkey2 | arjancwidlak: Holy crap. You have 190 clients? | 03:37 |
| arjancwidlak | ; | 03:37 |
| arjancwidlak | ) | 03:37 |
| perlmonkey2 | You provide WebGUI to clients? Self employed? | 03:37 |
| arjancwidlak | We provide webgui to goverment agencies | 03:38 |
| arjancwidlak | In many forms, many don't even know it's webgui | 03:38 |
| perlmonkey2 | You work for PlainBlack? | 03:38 |
| arjancwidlak | No, United Knowledge | 03:38 |
| @preaction | that's what i was thinking of | 03:38 |
| arjancwidlak | ;) | 03:39 |
| @preaction | is procolix another company | 03:39 |
| @preaction | ? | 03:39 |
| arjancwidlak | Yes it is, it's Koen's company (Sync on iRC) | 03:39 |
| @preaction | ah | 03:39 |
| arjancwidlak | And you know of course Pluton and Oqapi? | 03:39 |
| @preaction | nope | 03:39 |
| @preaction | AMH? | 03:39 |
| @preaction | so we're up to 6? | 03:40 |
| arjancwidlak | Yes, you do, Oqapi is where Martin works Greasehead or so on IRC | 03:40 |
| arjancwidlak | Pluton is another company that comes from Procolix. | 03:40 |
| @preaction | ah | 03:40 |
| arjancwidlak | Procolix broke into three companies | 03:40 |
| @preaction | do they provide WebGUI support and devel, or just use webgui? | 03:40 |
| arjancwidlak | Procolix does mostly hosting, oqapi mostly programming and pluton testing | 03:41 |
| arjancwidlak | whats AMH? | 03:41 |
| @preaction | i mean, the end-user base of webgui probably numbers in the millions, i know over the entire plainblack board we can account for a couple hundred thousand end-users | 03:41 |
| arjancwidlak | wow, that's a lot | 03:42 |
| @preaction | i don't know, maybe it's AHM, but there's a couple users on the IRC channel that come in early morning US-Central tagged as AMH_<name> | 03:42 |
| @preaction | the United States Department of State uses WebGUI nearly exclusively | 03:42 |
| @preaction | all the US Embassy websites, the DoS Alumni site (which accounts for about 40,000 users by itself) | 03:42 |
| arjancwidlak | what is an end use in your difinition, a content manager? | 03:42 |
| @preaction | a visitor | 03:43 |
| arjancwidlak | A visitor????? | 03:43 |
| @preaction | well, more like a registered user | 03:43 |
| arjancwidlak | Than we might beat you! | 03:43 |
| @preaction | oh, i have no doubt of that | 03:43 |
| arjancwidlak | We did a project for the dutch governemnt this year with a lot of media coverage. There were hunderds of thousands then | 03:44 |
| @preaction | i mean, we have our other contracts, but mostly company intranet stuff (a few hundred to a thousand users) | 03:44 |
| arjancwidlak | I'm going to do my first intranet this month | 03:44 |
| @preaction | brunswick bowling is one of ours, i think they didn't do the store with us because Commerce sucks currently | 03:45 |
| arjancwidlak | You know what you might find interesting | 03:45 |
| @preaction | either that or they just didn't want to pay for it, because they could've used what's there currently just fine | 03:45 |
| arjancwidlak | You will be on the WUC Doug? | 03:46 |
| @preaction | oh yes | 03:46 |
| arjancwidlak | Ok, me too | 03:46 |
| @preaction | i've got three talks, some of the most technical ones imho | 03:46 |
| arjancwidlak | I'm very much looking forward to it | 03:46 |
| @preaction | the one on Merging WebGUI Sites promises to be fun, i've got some tricks on how to split WebGUI sites too | 03:46 |
| arjancwidlak | I'm not much of a programmer. I didn't program on WebGUi for one and a half year, but now Yung is in Brazil... | 03:46 |
| arjancwidlak | I'm really fond of programming again | 03:47 |
| @preaction | sigh... i want to expatriate so badly... :p | 03:47 |
| arjancwidlak | Why? | 03:47 |
| @preaction | the reason i've come up with previously is the age of this country: 250 years give-or-take. the region i'm in, a little less than 200 | 03:48 |
| arjancwidlak | Do you live near Madion? | 03:48 |
| @preaction | yeah, about 2 hours away (130 miles, maybe 250km) | 03:49 |
| @preaction | only in the last 50 years or so did this country's usable, viable land become completely settled | 03:49 |
| @preaction | all that's left to do is re-divide the pieces, and the beginning of that process is always the worst | 03:50 |
| arjancwidlak | Ok, I'm going for a ride of a week by motercicle through the area just before the WUC. It seed that way on Google Maps | 03:50 |
| arjancwidlak | seemd I mean | 03:51 |
| @preaction | yeah | 03:51 |
| @preaction | south would be the best way, October in Wisconsin starts getting a bit chilly, 55-60 degrees farenheit | 03:51 |
| @preaction | but then, the breadbasket / bible belt states are rather uneventful | 03:52 |
| @preaction | in kansas you're lucky to see a tree for miles ;) | 03:52 |
| @preaction | but then again, i live here | 03:52 |
| arjancwidlak | I'm going from Chicago to Columbus Ohio and from there via a d-tour to Madison. Don't know yet which route | 03:53 |
| @preaction | chicago's fun though, going down Hwy 41 through milwaukee to chicago you see a lot of the old stuff | 03:53 |
| @preaction | chicago is between columbus and madison though, going to go south after columbus and then north through illinois? | 03:54 |
| arjancwidlak | Ok, I see it on Google maps | 03:54 |
| arjancwidlak | I'm landing - I'm coming from Amsterdam | 03:54 |
| arjancwidlak | in Chicago | 03:54 |
| arjancwidlak | and go first to Indianapolis to Columbus | 03:55 |
| arjancwidlak | Is landing correct English? Arriving I mean | 03:55 |
| @preaction | yeah | 03:55 |
| @preaction | landing in chicago, driving through indianapolis to columbus, i'd suggest after that going south a bit to get some different scenery, perhaps along the ohio river until it meets up with the mississippi river, and then north, but i don't know how long that would take in total | 03:56 |
| @preaction | west of the mississippi river is rather boring until you hit the rocky mountains | 03:59 |
| @preaction | which is to be expected, history's a funny thing | 03:59 |
| arjancwidlak | Well from Columbus to Memphis is 9 hours | 04:00 |
| arjancwidlak | I've got 5 days | 04:00 |
| @preaction | oh jeebus, you could go down to florida if you wanted | 04:00 |
| arjancwidlak | Not on a moter bike | 04:00 |
| arjancwidlak | I would be dead | 04:01 |
| @preaction | oh, right | 04:01 |
| @preaction | 17 hours driving a car is enough to make me question my sanity | 04:01 |
| @preaction | motorbike would be alittle harder | 04:01 |
| arjancwidlak | Last year, when the WUC was in vegas i wanted to do the route 66 | 04:02 |
| arjancwidlak | but I didn't get my licence in time | 04:02 |
| arjancwidlak | so I had to do it by care | 04:02 |
| arjancwidlak | But this year... | 04:02 |
| arjancwidlak | I's a fatboy | 04:02 |
| @preaction | you might be able to make it all the way to Memphis, then up through St. Louis | 04:02 |
| arjancwidlak | Yes, that seems like a plan, just right | 04:02 |
| @preaction | unless you wanted to stop in Atlanta | 04:03 |
| @preaction | but that would be kinda back-tracking | 04:03 |
| arjancwidlak | atlanta is worth-while? | 04:03 |
| @preaction | it's big | 04:03 |
| @preaction | i dunno if it's worth-while, what's your goal of sights to see? | 04:03 |
| @preaction | memphis has a lot of Elvis stuff last i knew | 04:04 |
| @preaction | St Louis is a historical place (the gateway through which everyone went West during the settling of California, etc...) | 04:04 |
| arjancwidlak | Well, Chicago seems a very beautiful city. I like the small roads, beautifull landscape | 04:04 |
| @preaction | it is very beautiful, if a bit windy by the bay | 04:05 |
| @preaction | but a long-sleeve shirt / light jacket will get you through fine there | 04:05 |
| arjancwidlak | Ok, wrote it down, I'll tell you about it in oktober | 04:05 |
| @preaction | there's some wonderful stuff by the bay, Sears Tower, etc... | 04:05 |
| @preaction | isn't next year's in houston? then you can hang out on the bay and hit Louisiana and even florida if desired | 04:07 |
| arjancwidlak | Is it? | 04:07 |
| @preaction | tour the old south | 04:07 |
| arjancwidlak | I didn't really like florida and Texas to be honest | 04:08 |
| arjancwidlak | Not the landscape, but the poverty | 04:08 |
| @preaction | really? | 04:08 |
| arjancwidlak | There seems to be a lot of working poor | 04:08 |
| @preaction | well, that is the old sourth | 04:08 |
| @preaction | i've got a theory that as mean temperature increases, the intelligence necessary to survive decreases | 04:08 |
| arjancwidlak | Haha! | 04:09 |
| arjancwidlak | It's a dilbert law | 04:09 |
| @preaction | not to call them "stupid" flat-out, but it's just easier to survive down there. homeless people up here who get their coat stolen in winter will freeze to death | 04:09 |
| @preaction | down there you can just about sleep stark and you'll be just fine | 04:09 |
| arjancwidlak | It's becoming a bit late here, 3 am. I'm going to do some sleeping I think | 04:10 |
| @preaction | sounds good, good luck with the code. have fun | 04:10 |
| arjancwidlak | Thanx, nice talking to you | 04:11 |
| arjancwidlak | nite | 04:11 |
| @preaction | night | 04:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hi | 16:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | is there a native english speaker awake? | 16:30 |
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| s1037989 | Can MySQL 4.1 be used with WebGUI 7.3.9? | 18:42 |
| MrHairgreas1 | probaly not | 18:43 |
| MrHairgreas1 | mysql 5 is required | 18:43 |
| s1037989 | Bummer...! :) | 18:44 |
| s1037989 | Thanks. | 18:44 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Anyone familiar with the survey code? I'm trying to figure out how it is possible for the questionOrder to be anything besides sequential. | 00:18 |
| @preaction | i thought that was a feature you were adding | 00:26 |
| perlmonkey2 | preaction: I'm trying to grok what the old survey did in fullness. | 00:27 |
| perlmonkey2 | But now I'm sure I shouldn't worry too much about the old survey. | 00:28 |
| perlmonkey2 | Is there a policy on DB comments? | 00:31 |
| perlmonkey2 | Because I don't see any, but I usually comment my columns in the DB. | 00:31 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:03 |
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| AMH_henry | [Good|<whatever is appropriate>] morning! | 16:04 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 16:05 |
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| danny_mk | preaction: where is the "create table Chat..." sql? | 18:50 |
| danny_mk | Root cause: Table 'webgui.Chat' doesn't exist | 18:51 |
| @preaction | oh, that's gone | 18:51 |
| @preaction | i'll dig up a dump of the current state of those tables | 18:51 |
| danny_mk | ok, just send it to me when you get a chance. | 18:52 |
| danny_mk | or post it here so I can download it. | 18:52 |
| danny_mk | brb | 18:52 |
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| elnino | good morning! | 19:12 |
| elnino | I'm experiencing two problems, that I need to fix, I really can't wait for plainblack to get to them, because we are going live with our site in a week. Am I interrupting a conversation? | 19:13 |
| @preaction | perlbot ask | 19:13 |
| perlbot | Ask forth your question to the all-knowing channel and we shall bestow upon you the answer of correctitude. | 19:13 |
| elnino | =) | 19:13 |
| elnino | we have a collaboration system that we use for pressreleases. | 19:14 |
| elnino | I display the RSS on our site, and according to the help files, it should be displaying the synopsis of each thread(?) but it displays the entire thread. | 19:15 |
| elnino | If you actually go to view the thread listing, it displays the synopsis, so I know that the ^-; macro is in place correctly. I hope I'm using the terms correctly. | 19:15 |
| elnino | It used to work in 7.2.x but I have 7.3.22. and it broke somewhere. | 19:17 |
| elnino | I believe is what you'd call a "thread" | 19:17 |
| @preaction | go to the edit page for that collab system and look at the display tab, RSS template. what does that say? | 19:18 |
| @preaction | you may also want to look at the error log | 19:19 |
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| elnino | syndicared articles is the template, and interleaved id the disply ode | 19:23 |
| elnino | interleaved is the display mode, that is. | 19:25 |
| @preaction | oh, you're using the syndicated content wobject, why don't you just make a shortcut to the collab system? | 19:26 |
| elnino | I don't know if i understand. I want to summarize the the latest pressreleses on the one page, then when the user goes to the cs, ttheysee all the summaries. did that answer your question? | 19:28 |
| elnino | the first page that has the "latest" also contains the "latest news from other areas of the website" similareto what you've done on plainblacks support sit. | 19:29 |
| elnino | sorry, i'm typing one handed. =( | 19:31 |
| @preaction | do you have a URL to the RSS feed i can see? | 19:32 |
| elnino | site is beind a firewall, will be live in a week or two. It basically displays the full disecription as one blurp (no paragraph marks) for the top 3 or 4 press releases. | 19:34 |
| elnino | preaction, what did you mean by a shortcut? | 19:38 |
| @preaction | RSS isn't supposed to have HTML in it | 19:39 |
| @preaction | a shortcut asset to the collaboration system | 19:40 |
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| @preaction | then you could put in some overrides to make it display only what you want | 19:40 |
| @preaction | (like Threads Per Page override and Collaboration Template override) | 19:40 |
| @preaction | RSS isn't supposed to have HTML in it, so that's the only way you're going to be able to do what you want | 19:41 |
| elnino | you say it shouldn't have html in it. I'm a bit confused. the problem I'm having is that it displays the entire description, rather than the synopsis. according to the docs, that's what it should be doing. | 19:43 |
| elnino | according to the docs, it should be displying the synopsis. - to clarify. | 19:44 |
| elnino | it used to work in 7.2.1 | 19:45 |
| elnino | docs = the cs rss template help page | 19:47 |
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| elnino | I think I found the culprit at one time. the template calls for "descripton", but in the help file says it returns the synopsis. In the code there was a point where it went to get the fields in the hash and the hash uses the field name "decription" so it would the get "description" instead of "synospsis". I found this in RSSFromParent.pm. | 19:54 |
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| elnino | so, if at the time it gets the tmpl var description I force it to get the synopsis (per the help file) I think that will fix it? I think the problem arises that the tmpl var name and what it's supposed to get are mixed up. They should both be "synopsis" | 19:58 |
| @preaction | elnino, in lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm line 777 it puts the thread's "synopsis" field into the RSS feed's "description" field | 19:58 |
| @preaction | the RSS feed uses the RSS standard's names (which calls the field "description" and not "synopsis") | 19:59 |
| elnino | what version are you looking at? | 20:01 |
| @preaction | 7.3.22 | 20:01 |
| @preaction | it's in the getRssItems subroutine | 20:02 |
| elnino | are you saying that it should be working? I know that the ^-; is in placebecause the synopsis displyes correctly on the cs listing. | 20:04 |
| elnino | in the rssfromparent.pm file it looks like though it's potentially mistakenly getting description (when itloops thru a hash) Am I looking at is that the wrong code? | 20:05 |
| elnino | sorry - Am I looking at the wrong code? | 20:06 |
| @preaction | line 123, the $item that RSSFromParent gets back from the getRssItems is a hashref | 20:07 |
| @preaction | but even if it's an actual WebGUI::Asset, _tlsOfAsset returns the Title, Link, and Synopsis | 20:07 |
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| elnino | Hi. I'll have to look again, I'm thinking that it's line 123 that I'm concerned about. Do you know what fields it's requesting from that hash ref? if it's requesting description, it's going to get description, instead of the synopsis. | 20:16 |
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| elnino | oh. see. you're saying that because it's an rss feed of a webgui asset, line 120 is being called? I'm telling ya, it's returning description for some reason. Perhaps the part of getting "synopsis" is broken... Is it ignoring the ^-; macro?. This is geting too deep for me, but I need to somehow get this fixed. I'm assuming that we're rssfromparen is the correct code. Where is get defined? would that be Asset.pm or Collaboration.pm? | 20:45 |
| xootom | Does anyone know if it's possible to calculate a total of values, that are pulled out of a nested query in an SQL Report? I have query 1 returning a list of groups. Then query 2 returns a number for each group identified in query 1. Is it possible to total up the numbers returned each time from query 2? query 1 and 2 are executed on different databases. | 20:46 |
| xootom | e.g. can I use HTML::Template to accumulate a total from the query2 value on each iteration? | 20:47 |
| @preaction | xootom, mysql has a SUM() function | 20:47 |
| @preaction | HTML::Template cannot, but Template Toolkit can | 20:47 |
| xootom | yeah but that would only be a sum within the nested query 2 | 20:47 |
| @preaction | elnino, i've been over the code, it's getting the "synopsis" field. by default the synopsis field is filled in with the "bodyText" field (Posts are assets, not wobjects, and have no description field) minus all the HTML | 20:47 |
| elnino | Dang it. Is this where I get kicked out? you're right - it is getting it. However I did find a "real" bug in all this. It seems that whenyou modify one of those items in the CS system, you have to reinsert the ^-; each time, or else it looses it. Hence why I saw the enire description field. | 20:48 |
| @preaction | i don't know what ^-; is. it doesn't seem to be a core macro | 20:49 |
| @preaction | but, as part of stripping the HTML, it probably strips macros | 20:49 |
| elnino | It's the page break you are supposed to enter in the description field to mark where the "synopsis" ends. Am I going crazy?? I read that too in your docs, cause I thought iw as cool! | 20:49 |
| @preaction | no, i just don't know everything | 20:49 |
| @preaction | but that would be a bug then, if the ^-; gets removed every time | 20:49 |
| elnino | I wonder if that is what these people were talking about in this bug report: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/auto-generated-synopsis-not-re-generated-after-edit | 20:49 |
| elnino | I really didn't know what they meant by "autogenerated" synopsis. | 20:49 |
| elnino | where is the code for stripping HTML kept? maybe I can fix that... | 20:49 |
| @preaction | no, i think the fix for that bug helped create this new bug | 20:49 |
| @preaction | it's in WebGUI::HTML | 20:50 |
| @preaction | the fix for that bug caused the synopsis to be re-generated every time the description field changes. now we have the problem where the description field loses the marker. before it wasn't a problem because the synopsis never got updated | 20:50 |
| @preaction | (which is why it worked in 7.2.1 and doesn't work now) | 20:50 |
| elnino | ah. | 20:50 |
| elnino | So I have nother question... but you may have answered it but I guess I need to understand a little more.. | 20:50 |
| elnino | In the same rss feed created from the cs sytem, my html characters are not displaying correctly. And you mentioned that rss shouldn't contain html. | 20:50 |
| elnino | I'll buy that, but I thought I read somewhere, that if I add ESCAPE="HTML" that it would allow &, and > and < type charcters to display, but instead it escaped the ampersand that is used to display those charactes. So instad of a registered mark: ®, I'll get &reg; So it seems that it's doing double duty. | 20:50 |
| elnino | so maybe if I find a different code for ® it'll work? | 20:51 |
| @preaction | no, the escaping should be done for you. RSS is an XML format, and so can contain XML entities (which ® is) | 20:51 |
| elnino | hmm. do I dare say that's not working in 7.3.22? | 20:51 |
| elnino | - in the syndicated content asset of a webgui asset - | 20:52 |
| @preaction | it's not the syndicated content wobject that does the escaping, it's the RSSFromParent | 20:53 |
| @preaction | and i wouldn't doubt at all that it's not working right | 20:53 |
| @preaction | in fact, i think the bug was squashed by requiring escape="html" | 20:53 |
| @preaction | so that'd be another bug | 20:54 |
| elnino | Right, that's what I put in the template for the syndicated artcile templete, and that's where I got the "double" affect. | 20:54 |
| @preaction | no, escape="HTML" should be in the RSS feed template | 20:56 |
| elnino | oh. I'll try that. | 20:57 |
| xootom | am i right in sqlreports can't replace/insert/update etc | 20:57 |
| @preaction | xootom, yes | 20:57 |
| xootom | that's irritating, perhaps its rollover help should be updated, it says you can use whatever keywords are defined in the database link | 20:58 |
| xootom | it would work but appears to add a limit to the end of all queries | 20:58 |
| xootom | which breaks a replace i need to do | 20:58 |
| @preaction | looks like nothing is explicitly forbidding insert / update | 20:59 |
| @preaction | you may want to turn on debug mode? | 21:00 |
| xootom | Error: There was a problem with the query. You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'limit 0,25' at line 2 | 21:00 |
| @preaction | sounds like you've got an error in your sql syntax | 21:01 |
| @Haaarg | it always adds the limit | 21:01 |
| @Haaarg | there isn't a way to tell it not to | 21:01 |
| xootom | that's what's breaking the query | 21:01 |
| xootom | hmmm | 21:01 |
| @Haaarg | that's possibly a bug | 21:01 |
| @Haaarg | that behavior changed at some point i believe | 21:02 |
| xootom | i'll raise it thanks | 21:02 |
| elnino | preaction - thanks! That was the trick! you answered all my questions. Thank you for being patient with me. | 21:04 |
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| danny_mk | hmmm.... the encrypt login seems to have been removed in 7.4.x | 21:12 |
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| * danny_mk is back | 21:33 | |
| @rizen | danny_mk check the change log | 21:45 |
| xootom | i've got a basic navigation problem, i think i'm just being dumb. I have lots of subsites starting at /home/sites/site1, /home/sites/site2, /home/sites/site3. I have a single template on all the sites, with a navigation asset, it is set to show relative to root /a/b/c. But it only ever shows the menu of site1, even if you're in the branch of site2 or site3. How does it know to go down branch "site1", yet it's in the correct bra | 21:51 |
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| danny_mk | Hmmm... I checked the gotchas but not the changelog. | 21:54 |
| danny_mk | OK, thanks. | 21:54 |
| +crythias | :) | 21:55 |
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| wgGuest19 | Couldn't call method editSave on asset for url: /getting_started/getting-started Root cause: Transactions not supported by database at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.6/i386-linux/DBI.pm line 1632. | 21:58 |
| wgGuest19 | I'm using MySQL 5.0.45 | 21:58 |
| +crythias | not just there | 21:58 |
| +crythias | I'm having a feeling you have multiple mysqls | 21:58 |
| wgGuest19 | I've read that MyISAM doesn't support transactions, which is what the create.sql file specifies. Does that make sense? | 21:58 |
| wgGuest19 | Multiple mysqls? | 22:00 |
| +crythias | I could be wrong. | 22:00 |
| wgGuest19 | Does webgui require a DB that can handle transactions? | 22:00 |
| wgGuest19 | I'm using 7.4.4. | 22:00 |
| +crythias | yes. | 22:01 |
| @preaction | no, webgui requires MyISAM | 22:01 |
| wgGuest19 | So therefore it should not be using MyISAM for the engine, correct? | 22:01 |
| @preaction | InnoDB won't work with webgui | 22:01 |
| +crythias | but generally speaking, MySQL 5 should be able to do it, but not MySQL 3 | 22:01 |
| +crythias | ooh. http://www.freedomtoaster.org/home | 22:02 |
| @preaction | that is pretty awesome | 22:03 |
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| wgGuest19 | I've tried MySQL 5.0.45 straight from mysql.com, 5.0.4 from my distro RPMS, and 4.1.12 from my distro RPMs and they all give the same thing: | 22:35 |
| wgGuest19 | main::[[undef]] - Couldn't call method editSave on asset for url: /getting_started/getting-started Root cause: Transactions not supported by database at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.6/i386-linux/DBI.pm line 1632. | 22:35 |
| @rizen | are you creating innodb? | 22:38 |
| @rizen | databases? | 22:38 |
| @rizen | if so don't | 22:39 |
| wgGuest19 | No, create.sql specifies MyISAM for the engine. | 22:51 |
| wgGuest19 | I'm just importing create.sql. | 22:51 |
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| @Haaarg | might try making sure you have an up to date DBD::mysql | 23:03 |
| danny_mk | yeah! that got me one time too. Definitely make sure you have an updated DBD::mysql | 23:04 |
| wgGuest19 | Hmm.. I just updated from CPAN, 4.004 or something. | 23:05 |
| wgGuest19 | 4.005 | 23:07 |
| @Haaarg | you might need to update the mysql client libraries first | 23:09 |
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| wgGuest19 | I'm running 5.0.4...? | 23:17 |
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| xooto1 | a quick navigation question, i've got a templated navigation on some pages, and want it to show a submenu which is the current page url +/extras .. i'm thinking this would work as "Specific url" with start point of ^PageURL();extras but it doesn't seem to work, should it? | 23:39 |
| wgGuest19 | Thanks for the help, I've got it working! | 23:40 |
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| xooto1 | is it intentional that the webgui image selector in the richedit inserts the current version of an asset rather than its 'public url' which reflects changes to the asset | 23:57 |
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| xooto1 | does anyone know whether the start page in a navigation object, specific url is relative to the current url? | 00:06 |
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| BobSilva | Anyone got some time for a newbie? | 02:11 |
| @khenn | what's up Bob? | 02:20 |
| BobSilva | Hi Khenn, thanks for responding... | 02:22 |
| BobSilva | I just got a Source INstall up and running 7.4.3... | 02:22 |
| BobSilva | I'm starting to play with it and running into troubles... Undoubtedly config and pilot error... | 02:23 |
| BobSilva | I can't get pending versions to commit and appear... | 02:23 |
| BobSilva | I just discovered... | 02:23 |
| BobSilva | Couldn't create storage location: /data/WebGUI/cimarron-hoa.dyndns.org/uploads/Fj/bV/FjbVxKrT6Zvv9bc7GBf0qw : No such file or directory | 02:24 |
| BobSilva | So, I'm working that one at the moment... | 02:24 |
| BobSilva | But, I think I have a bigger problem... | 02:24 |
| BobSilva | I'd like to actually nuke all these pending versions, but can't seem to find a way to do that.... Suggestions? | 02:25 |
| @khenn | sounds like you don't have spectre running correctly | 02:26 |
| @khenn | though the storage location issue may be something else | 02:26 |
| @khenn | check the privileges of the uploads folder | 02:26 |
| @khenn | it should belong to nobody | 02:26 |
| @khenn | or whatever user you run apache under | 02:26 |
| @khenn | typically that is nobody | 02:26 |
| @khenn | to figure out what is wrong with spectre, you should enable INFO level in log.conf | 02:27 |
| @khenn | I believe it defaults to WARN | 02:27 |
| @khenn | just change that text to INFO | 02:27 |
| @khenn | and restart modperl | 02:27 |
| @khenn | may want to restart spectre as well | 02:27 |
| @khenn | you should start seeing more information about what is causing spectre to fail | 02:28 |
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| BobSilva | I'm sorry.... I got pulled intoa conference call... | 03:08 |
| BobSilva | According to my httpd.conf, it's apache / apache... (Running CentOS) | 03:10 |
| BobSilva | OK, perms changed... | 03:11 |
| BobSilva | OK,, changed log level and restarted apache / spectre... | 03:13 |
| BobSilva | khenn, you still with me? | 03:14 |
| BobSilva | I have three pending versions out there.... Can I nuke them? Or what can I do to get them processed? | 03:15 |
| @preaction | fix the error that's causing them to not process? | 03:16 |
| @preaction | go to WebGUI/sbin and run "perl spectre.pl --test" and "perl spectre.pl --status" | 03:16 |
| @preaction | then look at the webgui.log | 03:16 |
| BobSilva | Will do... Just a sec... | 03:16 |
| BobSilva | ERROR: Spectre cannot communicate with WebGUI. | 03:17 |
| @preaction | that's bad | 03:17 |
| @preaction | what does the webgui.log say | 03:17 |
| BobSilva | Well, THAT would seem to be a problem... :) | 03:17 |
| BobSilva | WebGUI::Session::ErrorHandler::warn[430] - Visitor (1) connecting from 71.236.251.28 attempted to make a Spectre workflow runner request, but we're only allowed to accept requests from 127.0.0.1/32. | 03:18 |
| @preaction | yes, that is' | 03:18 |
| @preaction | so now you want to add that IP address to the spectreSubnets in the webgui configuration file | 03:18 |
| BobSilva | the 71 IP is the firewall | 03:19 |
| @preaction | okay, does your computer know that it's yourdomain.com ? | 03:19 |
| BobSilva | But that's the public side of the FW.... That doesn't seem to be secure, no? | 03:19 |
| @preaction | is yourdomain.com in your /etc/hosts file? | 03:19 |
| BobSilva | Nope... :) | 03:19 |
| @preaction | that's bad too | 03:19 |
| @preaction | but that should fix it | 03:19 |
| BobSilva | preaction, I'm sorry but I have to run... I have family in town and I have to go tend to them... | 03:20 |
| BobSilva | Thanks for your help... | 03:20 |
| BobSilva | I'll try some more tomorrow... | 03:20 |
| BobSilva | I'll try your suggestions... | 03:20 |
| @preaction | adding the domain to /etc/hosts will fix it | 03:20 |
| BobSilva | Thanks, again, Bye... | 03:20 |
| @preaction | or at least reveal new problems | 03:20 |
| @preaction | have fun | 03:20 |
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| BobSilva | preaction, you there? | 05:43 |
| @preaction | yes | 05:43 |
| BobSilva | Just thought I'd let you know, /etc/hosts solved problem #1.... | 05:43 |
| BobSilva | perl spectre.pl --test works now... | 05:43 |
| BobSilva | I'm waiting for it's queue to drain and then I'll start testing again... | 05:43 |
| BobSilva | Thanks for you help... | 05:44 |
| BobSilva | Yes, no more pending versions and the content is there... | 05:46 |
| BobSilva | Thanks again! | 05:46 |
| BobSilva | Bye,,, | 05:46 |
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| nuba | preaction> or at least reveal new problems | 06:09 |
| nuba | heh. so true, such is life.. :) | 06:09 |
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| Radix-europe | Greetings from Vienna (and the YAPC::Europe) | 14:38 |
| AMH_bob | Hi Radix | 14:39 |
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| danny_mk | OK, I did find the part that states "Fixed behaviour of the Encrypt Login setting, in such way that only the form" however, where in the "Site settings" do I specify that the use MUST use ssl to login? | 17:07 |
| danny_mk | I did look at the changelog documents | 17:07 |
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| wgGuest30 | hello | 17:53 |
| wgGuest30 | ww | 17:53 |
| wgGuest30 | i would like some help with the templates | 17:53 |
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| danny_mk | what do you need? | 17:57 |
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| elnino | hello! Am I interrupting anything? | 06:27 |
| elnino | quick question - honest - is there a setting in webgui so that the rank also specifies the order on which the asset is on a pagelayout? | 06:27 |
| rizen_ | nope | 06:28 |
| rizen_ | rank doesn't have anything to do with the order of assets on a page | 06:28 |
| rizen_ | that's what drag and drop placement is for | 06:28 |
| elnino | bummer. reason i ask is that it would be alot faster to reorder page elements in the asset tree than on the actual page | 06:28 |
| rizen_ | the problem is that you have multiple content positions on a page | 06:29 |
| rizen_ | and rank is only one number | 06:29 |
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| elnino | I kinda figured. Thanks and bye. | 06:30 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Rank ordering assets? Only on a single column template. And faster? Maybe on a really slow machine that can't do javascript drag an drop fast. | 16:09 |
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| SDuensin | Morning | 16:25 |
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| AMH_bob | Afternoon | 16:32 |
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| dionak | hey guys. i need to pick someone's brain about subclassing SQLForm. I created a SQLFormMailExt in Assets/Wobjects/ and wrote a test. Tests are passing. I uploaded this to a client site, added it to the config. All is fine but when I try to add the new wobject, I get 'duplicate entry' errors for the SQLForm table. | 17:52 |
| @rizen | I'm not sure if the SQL Form was designed to be subclassed | 17:53 |
| @rizen | You'll have to ask MrHairgrease if he's around, as he wrote it. | 17:54 |
| * MrHairgrease is around but too busy to get his brains picked | 17:54 | |
| +MrHairgrease | my only suggestion is that you check out processPropertiesFromFormPost | 17:54 |
| dionak | ok, i'll look. thanks. | 17:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | the error is likely due to the asset being tried to be inserted twice in the SQLForm table | 17:55 |
| @rizen | dionak, I'd also look at the definition() method to make sure it's accepting def data from upstream classes | 17:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | the ppffp of your subclass | 17:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | should leave the SQLForm table alone | 17:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | that too | 17:55 |
| dionak | i didn't create a ppffp in the subclass but i'll look at the code. | 17:56 |
| dionak | rizen...def data from upstream classes? | 17:57 |
| dionak | SUPER::definition ? | 17:58 |
| @rizen | yes | 17:58 |
| @rizen | but more importantly | 17:58 |
| @rizen | the definition method must accept an array reference being passed into it | 17:58 |
| @rizen | from your class | 17:58 |
| @rizen | you did create a definition method in your subclass, right? | 17:58 |
| @rizen | That's required of all subclasses | 17:59 |
| dionak | yes, i did. i have $definition as the third argument to the definition method | 17:59 |
| dionak | then i'm just pushing on to this var. just like in SQLForm.pm | 17:59 |
| @rizen | third? | 17:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | is the Inbox template ocumented? | 17:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | documented* | 18:00 |
| dionak | yes, class, session and definition | 18:00 |
| @rizen | oh | 18:00 |
| @rizen | sorry, i don't count class as an argument | 18:00 |
| @rizen | perhaps i should | 18:00 |
| dionak | then i changed className and assetName in the definition | 18:00 |
| @rizen | but what i really mean was | 18:00 |
| @rizen | your def method has the following line: | 18:00 |
| @rizen | return $class->SUPER::definition($session,$definition); | 18:00 |
| dionak | got it.. | 18:01 |
| @rizen | and make sure the SQLForm's def method is designed | 18:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | you must also change tableName | 18:01 |
| @rizen | to accept that data | 18:01 |
| @rizen | inbox should be documented | 18:01 |
| dionak | it's there. i | 18:01 |
| @rizen | if it's not please file a bug | 18:01 |
| dionak | can't use the same table? | 18:01 |
| @rizen | no | 18:01 |
| @rizen | every class must have it's own table | 18:01 |
| dionak | oh. | 18:01 |
| @rizen | even if that table only includes assetId and revisionDate | 18:02 |
| dionak | that's probably the issue right there. | 18:02 |
| dionak | ok, thanks for the help! | 18:02 |
| @rizen | yw | 18:02 |
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| knowmad | I have an error in webgui.log that i want to get a stack backtrace on. What's the best way to do this? | 21:50 |
| @preaction | use Carp qw(verbose); <- might work | 21:50 |
| @rizen | turn on debug in your log | 21:50 |
| @rizen | OR | 21:50 |
| @rizen | turn on debug mode in your web site | 21:50 |
| @rizen | but use the ip filtering option so that the debug only shows for you | 21:50 |
| knowmad | thanks, i'll try these. | 21:51 |
| knowmad | debug mode on in the site only shows the webgui.log output, it doesn't give me a backtrace | 21:52 |
| @rizen | it gives you the backtrace also | 21:54 |
| @rizen | just that you have to find it in the debug below | 21:54 |
| @rizen | debug is the grey area at the bottom | 21:54 |
| knowmad | it went red, green, yellow. | 21:54 |
| @rizen | and below that there was nothing? | 21:55 |
| knowmad | i guess that's more purplish than green but there's no grey area with a backtrace. | 21:55 |
| knowmad | here's the error --- Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::User::www_editUser. Root cause: The 'hour' parameter (undef) to DateTime::new was an 'undef', which is not one of the allowed types: scalar | 21:55 |
| knowmad | i reported the bug but graham couldn't replicate. i think i got a user into an unexpected state as this error only occurs when trying to edit this 1 user. | 21:56 |
| knowmad | i was hoping a backtrace would help us find the problem | 21:56 |
| @rizen | look at the userProfileData table for that user | 21:57 |
| @rizen | see if anything looks wierd | 21:57 |
| knowmad | birthdate = -64800 | 22:00 |
| knowmad | others are more reasonable | 22:01 |
| knowmad | or null as in the case of Admin and Visitor | 22:01 |
| knowmad | i have no idea how that would have happened | 22:02 |
| @rizen | so set it to something reasonable and see if it goes away | 22:02 |
| knowmad | no difference | 22:04 |
| knowmad | i set it to same value as another record | 22:05 |
| @rizen | then that's not the problem | 22:05 |
| @rizen | perhaps it's something in the users table | 22:05 |
| @rizen | there are a few dates in there | 22:05 |
| knowmad | these look logical | 22:06 |
| knowmad | dateCreated and lastUpdated | 22:06 |
| knowmad | why do you think i'm not seeing a backtrace from debugging? | 22:06 |
| @rizen | perhaps you're blind, or perhaps i'm stupid | 22:08 |
| @rizen | =) | 22:08 |
| knowmad | probably a bit of both, eh | 22:09 |
| @rizen | but since it's not working for you, move on to the log file | 22:09 |
| knowmad | i'm looking at the line that's causing the error msg | 22:09 |
| knowmad | i'll just wrap it in an eval and carp | 22:09 |
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| wgGuest58 | hello! | 22:21 |
| wgGuest58 | I upgraded from 7.3 to 7.4.3 today but I am encountering an error and I think it is in regards to JSON. | 22:21 |
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| knowmad | did you read the README file? i think there was some info in there | 22:23 |
| wgGuest77 | I am receiving an error 1 when launching WREModPerl. I can't seem to trace the error. I did the forced upgrade in the gotcha file. | 22:23 |
| @Haarg | anything in the modperl error log? | 22:24 |
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| wgGuest77 | unfortunately it is a windows box - and there aren't any errors in the event log - is there somewhere else ther might be an error log? | 22:25 |
| @Haarg | c:\data\wre\prereqs\apache\logs\modperl.error.log | 22:26 |
| wgGuest77 | this is the error: [Wed Aug 29 11:55:47 2007] [error] Can't load Perl file: c:/data/WebGUI/sbin/preload.perl for server localhost:81, exiting... | 22:28 |
| dionak | look in startup.pl for mod_perl...sounds like a mis-configuration. | 22:29 |
| dionak | or that file doesn't exist. | 22:29 |
| wgGuest77 | the only thing in startup.pl is chdir "c:/"; 1; | 22:34 |
| wgGuest77 | the file does exist | 22:34 |
| knowmad | rizen: where is the epoch time get set? it, like birthdate, is set to -64800 | 22:38 |
| knowmad | nm, i've created a patch to fix negative epoch values. will attach it to my bug report. | 22:43 |
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| @rizen | The negative values were probably created by a bug we had a while back | 22:47 |
| @rizen | i remember there being a problem with birthdates | 22:48 |
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| knowmad | ahh, i see. i'm going to supply the patch anyhow. do what you want with it. | 22:51 |
| knowmad | should an asset that is being proxied honor version tags? we're seeing changes to an asset show up when outside the version tag when it's being included into a page via AssetProxy macro | 23:02 |
| knowmad | in addition, we're also getting the wrong userid in the asset that is being proxied from the ^#; macro. oddly enough it works in Admin mode but not in normal mode. this is all in 7.4.4 | 23:03 |
| @rizen | yes it should honor version tags | 23:05 |
| knowmad | it's not | 23:06 |
| knowmad | i'll file a report. do you want us to try to recreate it on a demo site? | 23:06 |
| @rizen | you always should | 23:06 |
| @rizen | cuz that's what we're going to do | 23:06 |
| knowmad | ok | 23:06 |
| @rizen | and if we can't | 23:06 |
| @rizen | it gets closed | 23:06 |
| knowmad | gotcha | 23:07 |
| knowmad | cannot replicate it on demo server. i dunno how it's happening but it's happening. only difference i can think of is that we're seeing this behavior on a Windoze server. Can't imagine why that would make a difference though. | 23:35 |
| @rizen | you're using winblows to serve webgui? | 23:38 |
| @rizen | on purpose? | 23:38 |
| knowmad | client requirement | 23:38 |
| @rizen | i suppose you then are eagerly anticipating WRE 0.8 for windows | 23:39 |
| @rizen | since it's feature equiv to the unix version | 23:39 |
| knowmad | yes, we are! | 23:40 |
| knowmad | the biggest aggravation right now is the time lag required to restart the modperl server. it's like a minute or more. | 23:41 |
| knowmad | i'm hoping 0.8 will address this somehow | 23:42 |
| @rizen | that has nothing to do with the WRE unforuntately | 23:42 |
| @rizen | it's a problem with mod_perl on windows | 23:42 |
| @rizen | but we are looking at work arounds | 23:42 |
| @rizen | the problem is that mod_perl for some reason is very slow to preload and compile all of WebGUI's prerequsite perl modules | 23:43 |
| @rizen | if you comment out preload.perl it will start very quickly | 23:43 |
| @rizen | we're not sure why this happens, but it is something we're trying to come up with a workaround for before 0.8 comes out | 23:44 |
| @preaction | does apache's mod_prefork work on windows? | 23:44 |
| @rizen | yes | 23:44 |
| @preaction | i thought it had its own mpm for nt | 23:44 |
| @rizen | it's a special version of it though | 23:44 |
| @rizen | it simulates forking | 23:44 |
| @rizen | it's not actual forking | 23:44 |
| @rizen | behind the scenes it's using threads | 23:44 |
| @preaction | ah, was thinking it might be preloading for every child instance | 23:45 |
| @rizen | well it does create a child | 23:46 |
| @rizen | so it is loading twice | 23:46 |
| @rizen | it creates two processes | 23:46 |
| @rizen | the parent one just distributes requests | 23:46 |
| @rizen | and the child one spawns threads to serve the requests | 23:46 |
| @rizen | but for whatever reason the parent process also preloads all the perl modules | 23:46 |
| @rizen | and windows doesn't do shared memory | 23:46 |
| @rizen | so it's loading it all twice | 23:47 |
| @rizen | graham has been investigating this for quite a while | 23:47 |
| @rizen | he may have more input | 23:47 |
| @Haarg | haven't come up with any real solutions so far unfortunately | 23:48 |
| @preaction | solution: drop support for windows and distribute vm images to run RHEL inside of a windows host :p | 23:49 |
| @Haarg | as a long time windows user, i fully support that idea | 23:50 |
| @rizen | i bet it would actually run faster than the native windows version | 23:51 |
| @rizen | however, i doubt it would appease client requirements that knowmad spoke of | 23:52 |
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| @preaction | yeah, it's just wishful thinking. | 23:53 |
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| @preaction | perlbot .at | 10:41 |
| perlbot | .at is Austria | 10:41 |
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| Radix-eu | yeah, in Austria at the moment, attending YAPC::Europe | 11:09 |
| @preaction | word | 11:09 |
| Radix-eu | Off to Prague tomorrow | 11:13 |
| Radix-eu | got a couple of days there, then off to Berlin for a few days | 11:14 |
| @preaction | you put up a flickr didn't you? | 11:14 |
| @preaction | i need pichars | 11:14 |
| Radix-eu | yeah - there's a link from my blog if you like - http://jesseandyumi.blogspot.com | 11:15 |
| @preaction | thanks | 11:15 |
| Radix-eu | hundreds of photos on flickr :) | 11:15 |
| @preaction | i'm going to have to call you a bastard repeatedly though, for actually Being In Europe... :p | 11:15 |
| Radix-eu | hehe | 11:16 |
| Radix-eu | I reckon I can live with that :) | 11:16 |
| Radix-eu | Having fun.. though getting sick of museums and palaces I have to say | 11:16 |
| @preaction | take the back roads! | 11:17 |
| @preaction | btw, http://pown.alluc.org/?uid=620 | 11:18 |
| @preaction | long cat is looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong | 11:18 |
| @preaction | (i swear i don't know whether to act twice my age or half my age most of the time) | 11:19 |
| @preaction | more pichar! pichars of Prague! | 11:19 |
| @preaction | Prague is supposed to be pretty | 11:19 |
| * preaction sleeps now | 11:19 | |
| Radix-eu | Yeah, well hit prague tomorrow :) | 11:19 |
| Radix-eu | no idea if I'll have net there tho | 11:19 |
| Radix-eu | Same with berlin | 11:20 |
| Radix-eu | after berlin I'll be staying with friends in the south of france tho.. so should be able to upload photos there | 11:20 |
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| rjacobsen | sorry to bother you folks again, but i have run into another problem in webgui and i am wondering if it is a known problem...... it seems, when i use the ^include() macro to include an external page or code, that if i change the code on the page included it does not automatically update on the website.... i have to physically go to the page that has the file included and resave that page in order to see the changes... seems very odd t | 19:10 |
| rjacobsen | hello | 19:10 |
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| rjacobsen | hello | 19:10 |
| rjacobsen | is anyone here? | 19:10 |
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| dionak | quick question...maybe an obvious one. i'm trying to create a scheduled commit of a particular version tag. I looked back at last year's conference material to do this. i created a workflow, added a scheduled event and then a 'commit version tag'. how does the workflow know which tag to commit? or does it commit them all? | 21:38 |
| @Haarg | you edit your version tag and set it to use the new workflow | 21:42 |
| dionak | perfect! thanks. :) | 22:00 |
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| @preaction_ | though a WebGUI::Asset::File technically takes a storage location which can hold multiple files, the asset itself is meant to hold only one file, correct? | 23:07 |
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| @preaction_ | so if i were to extend the WebGUI::Asset::File::Image class to add a "caption" field, that would work, because there's only one image in the storage location | 23:08 |
| @rizen | isn't caption the same as synopsis? | 23:08 |
| @preaction_ | could use that, yes | 23:09 |
| @preaction_ | rizen, would you be aversed to me working with the Post asset to try to make it useful outside the collab system IF I can do so without making it less efficient? | 23:11 |
| @rizen | what do you mean "outside" the cs? | 23:13 |
| @rizen | for CS subclassing purposes? | 23:13 |
| @rizen | or soemthign else? | 23:13 |
| @preaction_ | well, that and for the image gallery | 23:13 |
| @rizen | image gallery? | 23:13 |
| @rizen | you mean the new one? | 23:13 |
| @preaction_ | part of the spec seems to be a way to add comments to individual images | 23:13 |
| @preaction_ | yes | 23:13 |
| @rizen | It's a simple commenting system though, not a full collaboration system | 23:14 |
| @rizen | no hierarchy or anything | 23:14 |
| @preaction_ | right | 23:14 |
| @rizen | so why would you use the sledgehammer of post | 23:14 |
| @rizen | when you could write something lighter? | 23:14 |
| @rizen | in fact, the comments shouldn't even be assets | 23:15 |
| @rizen | there should just be a commetns collateral table | 23:15 |
| @rizen | attached to each photo | 23:15 |
| @preaction_ | but each photo is a WebGUI::Asset::File::Image | 23:15 |
| @rizen | so? | 23:15 |
| @preaction_ | unless the gallery itself does the lookup | 23:16 |
| @rizen | actually that's even better | 23:16 |
| @rizen | since the gallery is doing the display in this case | 23:16 |
| @rizen | not the photo asset | 23:16 |
| @rizen | for the purposes of the photo gallery the images won't actually be displaying themselves | 23:16 |
| @rizen | you won't be going to /image/url.jpg | 23:17 |
| @rizen | will you? | 23:17 |
| @rizen | or will you? | 23:17 |
| @preaction_ | there's one page where you'd want to: display the details of the image, including the EXIM info | 23:17 |
| @preaction_ | which, i believe, is where the comments on the photo are | 23:17 |
| @rizen | hmmm | 23:18 |
| @rizen | but how would you get back to the photo gallery then? | 23:19 |
| @rizen | and you still need all of the photo gallery's navigation and stuff on that page | 23:19 |
| @rizen | methinks that page will also be displayed by the photo gallery | 23:19 |
| @rizen | or rather not by the photo gallery | 23:21 |
| @rizen | but by the sub folder thing | 23:21 |
| @preaction_ | right | 23:21 |
| @preaction_ | Photo Gallery > Gallery > Image | 23:21 |
| @rizen | methinks it should have a different name | 23:22 |
| @rizen | but whatever | 23:22 |
| @preaction_ | eh, if you can think of one, i agree | 23:22 |
| @rizen | Collection | 23:23 |
| @rizen | Roll | 23:23 |
| @rizen | Album | 23:23 |
| @rizen | actually album is probably best | 23:23 |
| @preaction_ | album sounds best | 23:23 |
| @rizen | actually i'm going to have to disagree with myself | 23:24 |
| @rizen | we do need the image url to serve up that details page | 23:24 |
| @rizen | otherwise search and tag clouds won't work properly | 23:24 |
| @rizen | i'm starting to think we need a new asset type down there | 23:25 |
| @rizen | maybe "Photo" | 23:25 |
| @preaction_ | the only way out of that, then, is subclassing the Image to make a Photo | 23:25 |
| @rizen | yeah | 23:25 |
| @rizen | and actually that makes sense, since EXIM data is only for photos | 23:25 |
| @rizen | not for other types of images | 23:25 |
| @preaction_ | also the comment feature, and a more involved template | 23:26 |
| @rizen | right, that way it can have all the stuff we need it to have | 23:26 |
| @preaction_ | without bugging up the normal Images with crap they don't need | 23:27 |
| @rizen | and because it's s subclass of Image | 23:27 |
| @rizen | it will still retain all it's functionality | 23:27 |
| @rizen | like being able to do ^FileUrl(); | 23:28 |
| @rizen | and use image resizing | 23:28 |
| @preaction_ | sounds good. i think i got this thing figured out | 23:28 |
| @khenn | ooh talk of the photo gallery | 23:47 |
| @khenn | what did you think preaction ? | 23:48 |
| @preaction_ | i just sent the e-mail, it looks awesome | 23:50 |
| @preaction_ | very purdy | 23:50 |
| @khenn | I get the feeling it's missing something | 23:50 |
| @khenn | but I don't know what | 23:50 |
| @khenn | did I cover all the bases? | 23:50 |
| @khenn | it's so big | 23:50 |
| @preaction_ | it's not so big really, it has the potential to become big but i think i can keep it lean | 23:51 |
| @preaction_ | something i didn't get was you mentioned once about User friend network or something and never mentioned it again | 23:51 |
| @preaction_ | and if that were to be implemented, i'd think it'd need to be implemented through core, using some sort of that Dynamic Group control with a user profile field | 23:52 |
| @rizen | friends has been implemented | 23:53 |
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| @rizen | it's part of 7.5 | 23:53 |
| @preaction_ | sweet | 23:53 |
| @preaction_ | otherwise the photogallery itself is just a way to display one or more albums, the album is just a way to display one or more photos, the photo asset will be the mildly complex part, but it's nothing i haven't done a few times already (which means i might be able to do it right the first time ;) | 23:56 |
| @khenn | was the user folder concept explained well enough? | 23:57 |
| @khenn | It's kind of implied | 23:57 |
| @khenn | so all user photos go into one repository | 23:57 |
| @khenn | and then are tied to "galleries" or "albums" | 23:57 |
| @khenn | I don't care what we call it really | 23:57 |
| @preaction_ | oh, so the photogallery has one more function then | 23:58 |
| @rizen | khenn the photos under each album will automatically be tied to the gallery by lineage | 23:59 |
| @preaction_ | but yes, looks like the page itself explains how it should work | 23:59 |
| @khenn | I see | 23:59 |
| @preaction_ | the cross-publish thing: should it be a shortcut or a copy? | 23:59 |
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| @khenn | shortcut IMO | 00:00 |
| @preaction_ | so images can be posted to multiple galleries, and galleries need to know they might have shortcuts instead of actual photos | 00:00 |
| @khenn | but I think rizen has a different view of the user folder than I do. Honestly, the way he is thinking about it is better | 00:01 |
| @khenn | but given that view | 00:01 |
| @khenn | I'm not sure shortcuts work | 00:01 |
| @khenn | if the owner deletes the photo, you get a nasty error where the image should be | 00:01 |
| @preaction_ | the photogallery will make the user folder. the user folder in the photogallery will take a descendant lineage of Photo assets where the ownerId = userId of the folder we want | 00:01 |
| @khenn | right | 00:02 |
| @preaction_ | you can only post images to galleries you own, no? | 00:02 |
| @preaction_ | which includes cross-publish | 00:02 |
| @khenn | my thinking was that galleries would be separate containers of photos | 00:02 |
| @rizen | in the case of shortcuts referring to dead photos | 00:02 |
| @rizen | the app will just have to take that into account | 00:03 |
| @khenn | yeah it could do that | 00:03 |
| @khenn | and put up a dummy image | 00:03 |
| @khenn | <no longer available> | 00:03 |
| @khenn | or something to that affect | 00:03 |
| @khenn | but I think the way rizen sees it is: | 00:03 |
| @khenn | User -| | 00:03 |
| @preaction_ | i thought the shortcut did that already automatically | 00:03 |
| @khenn | - Galley | 00:03 |
| @khenn | -| | 00:03 |
| @khenn | Photo | 00:03 |
| @khenn | Gallery that is =p | 00:03 |
| @khenn | so the photos roll up to the user | 00:04 |
| @khenn | but also are descendants of their own gallery | 00:04 |
| @preaction_ | so the PG wobject stores a bunch of User folders which have Albums which have Images | 00:04 |
| @khenn | I think that's right | 00:04 |
| @khenn | yes | 00:04 |
| @khenn | that's a better way to handle it | 00:04 |
| @khenn | the friends part of it comes in when you deal with private photos | 00:05 |
| @khenn | so a photo marked private is only visible to your friends network | 00:05 |
| @preaction_ | which imo sounds bad. not every album should need a User folder. Albums have an owner, which may contain images not owned by the User (due to posting permissions on the album) | 00:05 |
| @khenn | huh? | 00:06 |
| @khenn | only the owner should be able to post to his/her album | 00:06 |
| @preaction_ | since albums have an owner, we don't need a folder to organize them, we can use a 'where owner=userId' clause in the lineage query | 00:07 |
| @preaction_ | so there will never be a "public" album that more than one person can post to? (at least, not under the current spec) | 00:07 |
| @khenn | it's not necessary I agree, but it should be there. | 00:08 |
| @khenn | the "public" album would be full of shortcuts | 00:08 |
| @preaction_ | not necessarily, it'd just be full of photos with different owners | 00:09 |
| @preaction_ | but that's not covered by the spec anyway | 00:09 |
| xootom | sorry to butt in, is the If macro still available? it's in the wiki but doesn't seem to work, it's not in the Macro folder | 00:10 |
| @khenn | do we need the concept of "public" folders? | 00:11 |
| @preaction_ | xootom, it was taken out, i think there might be something in the contribs section about it | 00:11 |
| @preaction_ | khenn, not immediately, no. but by putting the extra container in there we may be overcomplicating the possibility of adding it in the future | 00:11 |
| @khenn | i'm open to the suggestion. We can talk more about it next week perhaps | 00:12 |
| xootom | preaction_ - ok thanks. I'm trying to display a user profile field with User("year"); - where it's a number, but if it's 0, to show "open". The user profile editor is fine as there is a label to this effect for the drop down, but using the macro just pulls out the raw number. I was going to use If to replace '0' with 'open'. | 00:12 |
| @khenn | I'm waiting on some other feedback and then I'll send the spec off to rizen | 00:12 |
| @rizen | xootom the if macro was taken out in favor of pluggable templates...check out one of the more advanced template systems that come with webgui | 00:14 |
| @preaction_ | macros are processed after the template though, right? | 00:14 |
| @rizen | true so he'll have to write his own custom macro that does the if logic | 00:16 |
| xootom | hmm would be nice to easily display the value rather than key for a user profile field | 00:18 |
| xootom | or is the key/value thing only used to display the drop down, and not accessible elsewhere | 00:19 |
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| @rizen | no idea what you're talking about | 00:19 |
| xootom | when you're editing a user profile field, and set "possible values", which is a list of keys mapped to values | 00:19 |
| xootom | the keys are what's stored in the database, and accessible through the user macro, but the values are what the user sees in the user profile editor | 00:20 |
| xootom | hmm when they view their profile though, they see the raw key, not the value... | 00:21 |
| xootom | maybe i've mis understood them | 00:21 |
| @preaction_ | when you use the User macro, you see the key defined in the possibleValues, not the value | 00:21 |
| xootom | yeah that's what i found, same when looking at your profile. which makes it inconsistent with what you see when you edit your profile | 00:22 |
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| @rizen | file it as a bug | 00:24 |
| xootom | surely at least view user profile should show values, not keys | 00:24 |
| xootom | ok | 00:24 |
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| xootom | hi all | 18:00 |
| @khenn | morning | 18:00 |
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| xootom | i've got users adding basic pages of content, and they want to be able to add images to the content. what is the easiest way of them accomplishing this? | 18:02 |
| xootom | they don't have write access to /media, so the webgui image inserter doesn't give them upload functionality, and even then I think it's overkill having them have to navigate the whole tree to find an image. | 18:02 |
| xootom | ideally it'd be as simple as clicking an insert image button, uploading the image, the image transparently being attached to the article, but still being able to be moved within the article, i.e. left aligned so text flows around | 18:03 |
| xootom | at the moment if i attach multiple images, only one shows too | 18:03 |
| dionak | is access to the media folder required for image uploads in the editor? | 18:03 |
| xootom | seems to be, i get it as admin, but the user doesn't see it | 18:03 |
| xootom | makes more sense in this case for the images to be stored in either the article itself or its page | 18:04 |
| dionak | sounds a little disorganized for growth tho...might get messy | 18:04 |
| xootom | they can upload the images using the file pile, then find them in the webgui image selector, but they have to edit the page too to hide the image asset, so it's several steps too many | 18:04 |
| xootom | yeah but these are people with their own sets of pages, that want to just play around... like myspace :) ... i dont want to stop them being creative etc | 18:05 |
| xootom | they just want to be able to add images into their pages of content | 18:05 |
| dionak | gotcha...i don't have an answer tho. maybe rizen would have a suggestion. | 18:05 |
| @rizen | i don't provide end user support on irc, sorry | 18:06 |
| dionak | oh, sorry | 18:06 |
| dionak | makes sense | 18:06 |
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| @rizen | only developer support, and future discussions | 18:07 |
| xootom | i dont think its a support issue, i can train them all to do a 5 step process for each image, it seems to me like the article attachments doesnt work properly | 18:07 |
| dionak | btw, rizen...i added the WG conference to facebook as an event...just fyi | 18:07 |
| @rizen | xootom, you always take that approach. if something doesn't work the way you want it to work you think it's a bug | 18:08 |
| @rizen | thanks dionak | 18:08 |
| xootom | yeah it probably comes across that way, im passing on the feeling i'm getting from non-technical users | 18:08 |
| xootom | they expect it to work in a certain way etc | 18:09 |
| @rizen | then submit an RFE | 18:09 |
| xootom | i will if i'm not just doing the wrong thing or missed a setting...the thing that seems odd, is that when i attach an image (attachment) to an article, it prompts me to attach another one, etc, so i can attach say 3. I'd expect these to be available as downloads after the article, along with the link. But I only see one. If I reedit the article, I only see one. If i delete it, I see one of the others etc. | 18:12 |
| xootom | is that a bug? | 18:12 |
| @rizen | nope..it depends upon your template | 18:12 |
| xootom | in the article editing interface it only shows one though | 18:13 |
| xootom | the last one attached | 18:13 |
| @rizen | i told you i don't provide end user support | 18:15 |
| @rizen | contact plainblack support if you want help | 18:16 |
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| xootom | ok so it's not a bug, no prob | 18:19 |
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