WebGUI irc logs from: 2007-09.log

--- Log opened Sat Sep 01 00:00:58 2007
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Radix-europe	Greetings from Prague	00:19
Radix-europe	YAPC finished yesterday.. was fun, though I didn't really learn much perl from it.. most of it went woosh over my head. Still.. I scored a Learning Perl book to take home and got it signed by Larry Wall, so that'll help me :)	00:20
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+MrHairgrease	Hey Jesse	22:30
+MrHairgrease	how's the eurotrip going?	22:30
Radix-europe	Hey Martin	22:30
Radix-europe	going well	22:30
Radix-europe	In Prague atm, off to Berlin tomorrow	22:31
+MrHairgrease	I thought it was was yapc this weekend.	22:31
+MrHairgrease	but aparently it's not =)	22:31
Radix-europe	YAPC::Europe was fun, though most of it went over my head, but I scored a copy of Learning Perl and got it signed by Larry Wall, so I'm happy :)	22:32
+MrHairgrease	cool	22:32
Radix-europe	YAPC was from Tues-Thurs	22:32
+MrHairgrease	oh ok	22:32
Radix-europe	We caught a train to Prague the day after it	22:32
Radix-europe	and head off again tomorrow	22:32
+MrHairgrease	how's prague?	22:33
Radix-europe	got three days in Berlin to see the place, then we're off to Belgium after that it looks like	22:33
Radix-europe	Prague is fun, nice cheap beer and has a fun atmosphere	22:33
Radix-europe	We went and saw a couple of castles today and did a city tour	22:33
Radix-europe	it's cheaper to buy a half litre of beer than it is to buy 250ml of juice	22:34
+MrHairgrease	heh	22:35
Radix-europe	50cl is less than 1 euro to buy	22:35
+MrHairgrease	yeah	22:35
+MrHairgrease	that's the spirit	22:35
+MrHairgrease	so I've heard from some friends of mine	22:35
+MrHairgrease	who've been there	22:35
+MrHairgrease	aparently beer's even cheaper outside of prague	22:35
+MrHairgrease	it's insane	22:36
Radix-europe	though you have to be careful. don't buy beer out in stare mesto with a view.. you pay twice the price	22:36
+MrHairgrease	omg	22:36
+MrHairgrease	2 euros for a pint	22:36
+MrHairgrease	that's still cheap	22:36
+MrHairgrease	=)	22:36
Radix-europe	if you order a beer in the garden out the back, it's 24kc - if you buy it out front it's 65kc	22:36
Radix-europe	you literally pay for the view ;)	22:36
+MrHairgrease	pay per view	22:36
+MrHairgrease	it's the future trhey say	22:36
Radix-europe	heh	22:37
+MrHairgrease	=)	22:37
Radix-europe	Did I send you our blog url?	22:38
+MrHairgrease	no	22:38
Radix-europe	jesseandyumi.blogspot.com	22:38
+MrHairgrease	thanks	22:39
+MrHairgrease	i'll check it out	22:39
Radix-europe	Got photos up to first day in vienna so far up	22:39
Radix-europe	I didn't get much of YAPC tho.. didn't take my camera along	22:40
+MrHairgrease	too bad	22:40
Radix-europe	you can find them all on flickr from other ppl tho.. search for the tag yapceu07	22:40
+MrHairgrease	i was really longing for photo's of flocking men with beards and sandals =)	22:41
Radix-europe	I know.. that's why I thought you'd like that tag :)	22:41
Radix-europe	hehe	22:41
+MrHairgrease	http://flickr.com/photos/maddingue/1280150410/	22:43
+MrHairgrease	i think that's even a low estimate =)	22:44
Radix-europe	hehe.. that was a funny talk that one	22:45
+MrHairgrease	yeah	22:45
Radix-europe	he used 95% for everything	22:45
+MrHairgrease	that would be my guess too	22:45
+MrHairgrease	heh	22:45
Radix-europe	including 95% of statistics are made up	22:45
+MrHairgrease	=)	22:46
+MrHairgrease	are the talks available onliune somewhere	22:46
+MrHairgrease	that you know of	22:46
Radix-europe	Umm.. each speaker seemed to have their own place to put their slides I found	22:46
Radix-europe	I wrote down a few addresses in my notebook	22:46
Radix-europe	and every one of them is in a different location	22:47
+MrHairgrease	hmm	22:47
+MrHairgrease	oh well	22:47
Radix-europe	One talk that was interesting	22:47
Radix-europe	Some guy has created another content management system like webgui - he's way behind technology wise it looked like, but he's doing it solely by himself - called Spine	22:48
+MrHairgrease	http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3828282759372324573	22:48
Radix-europe	he said he'd heard of WebGUI, but never tried it	22:48
+MrHairgrease	it is the yapc::Asia though	22:48
+MrHairgrease	but the same guy	22:49
Radix-europe	same talk tho	22:49
+MrHairgrease	indeed	22:49
Radix-europe	his talk was still in japanese	22:49
Radix-europe	but with english subtitles :)	22:49
Radix-europe	the arm wrestle with damian conway was funny	22:49
+MrHairgrease	you armwrestled damian conway?	22:50
Radix-europe	lol.. sif	22:50
Radix-europe	nah.. one of the other guys did for the auction at the end	22:50
Radix-europe	thomas klausner	22:50
Radix-europe	they even did it shirtless	22:51
Radix-europe	the auction at the end was crazy	22:51
Radix-europe	the next yapc is in copenhagen, so they decided to auction off the guys from copenhagen to do something.	22:51
+MrHairgrease	http://youtube.com/watch?v=QDK4FdbsySI	22:52
Radix-europe	they decided that it was going to be a tattoo.. and the decision in the end was to get them all to put swedish flag tattoos on their forehead	22:52
Radix-europe	that they have to wear for the next yapc	22:52
+MrHairgrease	copenhagen	22:52
+MrHairgrease	cool	22:52
+MrHairgrease	maybe i'll go	22:53
+MrHairgrease	never been there	22:53
Radix-europe	Well I'm off to bed.. keep checking the blog.. we'll be putting up more photos and blog entries as we go :)	22:57
+MrHairgrease	ok	22:57
+MrHairgrease	will do	22:57
+MrHairgrease	have a good trip	22:57
Radix-europe	Will do :)	22:57
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xootom	hi all, does anyone know how to send private messages in wg? my site doesn't show the send private message link in user profiles like webgui.org :S	21:22
@preaction	give me a minute and i'll find it	21:34
@preaction	?op=sendPrivateMessage	21:36
@preaction	you'll need a uid too	21:36
xootom	ah so it's not built into the user profile, is there a user profile template?	21:42
xootom	i'm sure i read it wasn't yet	21:42
@preaction	no, profile isn't templatable yet	21:42
xootom	i wonder how that works on webgui.org	21:43
@preaction	i can find out	21:43
xootom	yeah that'd be useful, thanks. do you know what the roadmap is for things like 'whos online' lists, chat, friends lists etc, is it documented publicly?	21:44
@preaction	chat is being written by danny_mk from here, friends is apparently implemented in 7.5, who's online is possible with a rather simple macro (using active sessions and a single argument specifying the length of time to consider one active)	21:45
xootom	great, thanks!	21:46
@preaction	we've got a little pow-wow to get ready for the WUC, so i've got a week in which i get to be bored out of my mind. i'll make that macro and try to get JT's approval for 7.5	21:46
@preaction	it looks like it's built-in to the profile code, there must be a flag for "Allow private messages" or something	21:46
@preaction	there is, there's a profile field called "allowPrivateMessages"	21:47
xootom	yes, such a switch is in edit profile, as you can make the profile hidden and private messages possible	21:47
xootom	yes, per-user	21:47
@preaction	if that switch is on, you get the Send Private Message link at the bottom of the profile	21:48
xootom	i've enabled those for my account and from other accounts there isn't the link, though they can see my profile	21:48
@preaction	okay, that's weir	21:48
xootom	hiding email address flag works, and hiding profile	21:49
@preaction	if you look at line 308 of lib/WebGUI/Operation/Profile.pm it should add the link for the sendPrivateMessage link	21:50
xootom	my line 308 is return $session->style->userStyle(WebGUI::Asset::Template->new($session,"PBtmpl0000000000000052")->process($vars));	21:54
@preaction	above that do you see an if ($session->user->userId eq $session->form->process("uid")) {	21:55
@preaction	with an else { block?	21:55
xootom	it doesn't have an else block, the if just looks like it's showing account options	21:55
@preaction	what version are you using?	21:56
xootom	7.4.5	21:56
@preaction	yeah, looks like JT fixed that for 7.4.6	21:57
@preaction	i send send you a link to a diff	21:57
xootom	ahhh ok, great	21:57
@preaction	https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/diff/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Profile.pm?rev1=4627;rev2=4628;mime=text/plain	21:58
xootom	thanks	21:58
xootom	that did the trick, thanks! it won't break the upgrade to 7.4.6 will it?	22:05
@preaction	no, the upgrade to 7.4.6 will replace that code with that code	22:05
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+MrHairgrease	wow	20:53
+MrHairgrease	the new wre is awesome	20:53
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knowmad	Is there a method to get the userId if I only have a username?	14:56
AMH_henry	$u = WebGUI::User->newByUsername($session, $username);	14:57
knowmad	is that a new object or does it create a new user in the db?	15:01
knowmad	it's a bit misleading	15:01
AMH_henry	Instanciates a user by username. Returns undef if the username could not be found.	15:01
AMH_henry	Visitor may not be looked up with this method.	15:01
AMH_henry	from the documentation :)	15:02
knowmad	thanks!	15:02
AMH_henry	yw	15:02
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+MrHairgrease	hi	17:25
+MrHairgrease	preaction	17:26
+MrHairgrease	do you know if the tmpl_var session.isVisitor	17:26
+MrHairgrease	is available in the navigation template?	17:26
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sno	Why does WebGUI::FormProcessor::date("recruitStartDate"); return a value but WebGUI::FormProcessor::text("recruitDepartment"); gives undefined on a valid vorm with these values populated?	19:00
sno	"valid form"	19:00
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elnino	hello.	21:49
elnino	apparantly, there is a new "feature" in the upgrade I installed that messed up what I was trying to do, so I'm trying to find an alternative.	21:49
elnino	I was putting html in the menutitle field to differenciate some menu items. 7.3.22 strips out all html. is this a bug or "feature"?	21:50
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elnino	is there a way I can put html in the menu title field? where would the code be? 7.2.1 used to let me do this, and 7.3.22 is stripping it out. I need ot be able to have html in the menutitle field.	22:32
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ckotil	can we resize dashboard items yet?	00:02
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xootom	ckotil, what do you mean resize dashboard items?	00:32
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ckotil	xootom: when you add a new item to your dashboard, you cant change the dimensiions of the 'widget'	15:39
ckotil	at least in version 7.3.22	15:40
xootom	same as if the item appears anywhere else though, how do you see it working?	15:40
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ckotil	zoom/pan/scaling/resizing ;-)	16:10
ckotil	I just feel so locked down and constrained being unable to resize the widgets	16:10
ckotil	i spent some time yesterday examining whether or not I could leverage the dashboard asset for use as a customer portal. we have lots of small tools that customers use on a daily basis. to have the wrapped up nicely in a dashboard would be ideal.	16:11
ckotil	but none of the tools would fit in the small confines of the widget. they are long enough, but not wide enough.	16:12
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SDuensin	Greetings.	16:14
xootom	could you edit the template and add a fourth column (not sure if it's constrained to use 3 though)	16:17
xootom	hi SDuensin	16:17
SDuensin	Hey xootom	16:17
xootom	ckotil, with 7.3.22 are you finding that new users get a blank dashboard?	16:19
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ckotil	i didnt try viewing the dash w/ another user.	16:40
ckotil	ill give it a shot.	16:40
ckotil	it is blank, but the assets are available for the user to add from the content list.	17:07
xootom	yeah same here, it doesn't take on the default look	17:15
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ckotil	i think thats by design tho	19:42
ckotil	a default setup might be a good feature tho	19:42
ckotil	opera works quite well with webgui :)	19:43
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professorfrink_	i'm building a site in 7.3.22, and i keep running into a couple of weird problems with the control buttons and the admin bar	21:52
professorfrink_	it's stacking all the buttons in the page and in the content manager's RFE	21:52
professorfrink_	and not displaying text, only icons in the admin bar	21:52
professorfrink_	has anyone else seen this?	21:53
xdanger	which browser?	22:35
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professorfrink_	i'm using firefox 2.0, but it's happening in every browser i've tried	23:15
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SDuensin	Greetings.	16:35
xootom	hi!	16:42
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rjacobsen	good morning - i have found a bug in webgui and no way around it - when I put the company name in the "Company Name" section of the "Settings" in the "Admin Console" it will not accept a single quote.... if i put in (for example) Granny Pooh's Corner - it always puts in double quote rather than single quote..... any way around this?	16:21
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SDuensin	Greetings.	16:48
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rjacobsen	good morning - i have found a bug in webgui and no way around it - when I put the company name in the "Company Name" section of the "Settings" in the "Admin Console" it will not accept a single quote.... if i put in (for example) Granny Pooh's Corner - it always puts in double quote rather than single quote..... any way around this?	16:56
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@rizen	bug --	18:03
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elnino	hello. I recently upgraded to 7.3.22 and I had html tags in some of my menu title fields, and they are now being filtered out. Is there any code I can modify so that webgui wil keep the html code in that field?	18:06
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xootom	can anyone from pb tell me the difference between the level of support offered with the supported hosting package @ 50 per month that includes unlimited web-based support, and the 1000 per year online support?	18:11
@rizen	there is really no difference	18:14
@rizen	it's just that if you're hosting with us, you aren't going to ask as many questions cuz we take care of the environment for you	18:14
@rizen	the online support is for people who don't host with us	18:15
elnino	is there any incentive for recommending you as a hosting company to a friend/company?	18:16
xootom	i'm thinking of using the supported hosting for a dev/test area, as our main server is now production so it'd be a good place to ensure updates work before hitting live, without having to 'waste a box' here and keep it up to date, would that scenario be ok?	18:17
@rizen	yup, you know that they're going to get the best webgui hosting available. =)	18:18
@rizen	we don't allow custom code or ssh access on our virtual hosting accounts	18:19
@rizen	we have unsupported dev servers available for that purpose for $150 per month though	18:19
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rjacobsen	good morning	18:21
rjacobsen	why cant i type in here?	18:21
@preaction	i don't know? can't you?	18:21
rjacobsen	i guess i got it workin niow	18:21
rjacobsen	now	18:21
rjacobsen	did anyone see what i typed above about the settings in webgui?	18:22
@preaction	no, it was probably too long	18:22
rjacobsen	if not ill paste it in again....	18:22
@preaction	paste != type	18:22
rjacobsen	ok well the long and short of it is...	18:22
xootom	ahh so not able to put own macros on shared hosting, what about non-standard tables to use with sql reports?	18:23
rjacobsen	for some reason if i type Kid's in the Company Name slot in settings it displays Kid"s (with double quotes) on the home page	18:23
rjacobsen	why is it displaying the single quotes as double quotes and is there a fix?	18:24
elnino	hello I had html tags in some of my asset's menu title. I recently upgraded to 7.3.22 and and now they are being filtered out (they weren't before). Is there any code I can modify so that webgui will keep the html code in that field?	18:26
@rizen	bug --	18:36
elnino	it's a bug?	18:36
@rizen	bug --	18:37
@rizen	no, i'm not talking to you elninio	18:37
elnino	oh. =)	18:37
@rizen	as i've stated previously, i don't provide support here, so i can't comment on your question	18:37
elnino	are you talking to me now?	18:38
rjacobsen	rizen is there any work around for this bug?	18:38
@rizen	i have no idea what you're talking about rjacobson	18:38
elnino	i'm so confused. =)	18:39
rjacobsen	ok for some reason when i put a company name in the settings box in webgui and it has a single quote in the company name it changes the single quote to double quote when it displays the company name	18:40
rjacobsen	did you see all that?	18:40
@rizen	i saw that, but as i just told elnino, i don't provide support here	18:40
@rizen	if someone else wants to answer you that's fine, but not me	18:40
rjacobsen	it is a bug in webgui - a sql query is not being escaped in the webgui code - so who can fix it?	18:41
@rizen	how about you submit it to the bug list like everyone else http://webgui.org/bugs	18:41
elnino	rjacobsen - I'd would submit a bug report on webgui's site.	18:41
rjacobsen	and wait 3 months...... i have customers down my throat now that their company name is not displaying right	18:42
rjacobsen	kinda a big thing since webgui uses what the customer puts in the company name box of webgui for title of the website	18:43
@rizen	phone support includes priority bug fixes	18:43
rjacobsen	this is not something i should have to pay to fix since it is obviously something in the webgui coding that is broken	18:44
rjacobsen	unless your willing to give access to webgui code....	18:45
rjacobsen	only way you could actually charge for this problem is if i actually had access to the code to modify it	18:45
@preaction	rjacobsen, you have access to the webgui code, make a patch and submit it?	18:45
@rizen	you're not paying for us to fix it	18:45
@preaction	webgui is free, open source under the GPL	18:45
@rizen	you're paying us to put it a tthe top of our priority list	18:45
elnino	rjacobsen- are you being hosted by plainblack?	18:45
@preaction	plainblack runs the same version of webgui as is released on webgui.org	18:46
rjacobsen	why is this becoming a big problem? it takes 2 seconds to open the code, escape the sql query, and close the code	18:46
rjacobsen	bug fixed	18:46
@preaction	post a bug, follow the process. we're fixing bugs today.	18:46
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diakopter	rjacobsen: graham fixed that two weeks ago: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/diff/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm?rev1=4616;rev2=4617	19:10
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sanyock	Hi All, please let me know to whom it is better to contact for submitting small patches for issues like: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/not-able-to-call-stored-procedures-from-94sql-macro/1	19:53
sanyock	if a patch is done according to http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/subversion	19:55
@rizen	if you submit the patch as an RFE, it will be added to the next dev cycle	19:55
@rizen	submitting it as a bug means that it will go into the current stable, and we don't allow new features in the current stable	19:55
sanyock	did you split SVN into two branches?	19:56
sanyock	stable and beta?	19:56
@rizen	7.5 hasn't been branched yet	19:56
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sanyock	would a patch for stored procedures be accepted, do you have any policy on usefulness of feature to be included ?	20:00
@rizen	if i tested it and it worked, it would be allowed	20:00
@rizen	stored procedures are generically useful to lots of people	20:00
sanyock	thanks	20:00
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sanyock	what is preferred development environment of WebGUI developers? For example java people use eclipse	20:04
@rizen	most use vim	20:04
@rizen	most don't use an ide	20:05
sanyock	:)	20:05
* sanyock prefers nano		20:05
sanyock	how about debugging, sure stored proc issue does not need it but for other things it may be needed	20:05
@rizen	as long as you conform to the best practices, you may use whatever you like	20:06
sanyock	I just wonder to save time on selection	20:06
@rizen	you know how to put webgui into debug mode, right?	20:06
sanyock	only for SQL reports	20:06
@rizen	admin console > settings > miscellaneous > show debug	20:07
sanyock	I saw it but did not try yet	20:07
elnino	I recently upgraded to 7.3.22 and I had html tags in some of my menu title fields, and they are now being filtered out. is this a bug or was it intended?	20:56
@rizen	bug --	21:04
@rizen	bug --	21:04
@rizen	bug --	21:04
@rizen	bug --	21:07
elnino	I'm assuming you're talking to me this time? =)	21:09
@rizen	bug --	21:11
@rizen	bug -- has nothing to do with you	21:11
@rizen	it means a bug has been fixed	21:11
@rizen	it's not directed AT anyone	21:11
@rizen	just FYI	21:11
elnino	oh. now I get it. I'm very glad you are squashing a bunch of bugs today. Good job!	21:12
@rizen	bug --	21:24
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elnino	hi. I'm still wondering if stripping html from an assets menutitle is intentional or a bug.	21:38
@rizen	intentional	21:38
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elnino	if it's intentional, can you point me to the pm file that I may modify to remove this? It used to work in 7.2.1 and it was a bit of a surprise when it was changed.	21:54
@rizen	i'm afraid not	21:55
@rizen	bug --	21:55
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elnino	ok, then can you suggest an alternative method in stylizing the menu title independantly from the stucture of the site?	22:01
@rizen	i don't provide support here	22:02
ckotil	does webgui support ldaps?	22:11
@rizen	not currently	22:11
@rizen	you have to use it over stunnel	22:11
@rizen	if you want it encrypted	22:11
ckotil	ya. i do that for my db connection now.	22:11
ckotil	do you have a timeframe in mind for ldaps?	22:12
@rizen	nope...it's in the RFE list i think	22:12
ckotil	kthx.	22:12
ckotil	its kind of obscure, but its there. http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/ldap2	22:19
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@rizen	bug --	22:53
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+MrHairgrease	hi	18:26
+MrHairgrease	so i have this weird behaviour	18:26
+MrHairgrease	and i'm wondering if you've seen it too	18:27
+MrHairgrease	what happens is that all of a sudden saving a snippet will blow up apache	18:27
+MrHairgrease	getting it to use 99.9% cpu	18:27
+MrHairgrease	before it saved easily	18:27
+MrHairgrease	now the weird thing comes	18:28
+MrHairgrease	the former save was done with firefox	18:28
+MrHairgrease	so i tried with opera	18:28
+MrHairgrease	nothing wrong	18:28
+MrHairgrease	the snippet saves no infinite loop	18:28
+MrHairgrease	i clear everything in firefox (cookies, cache, etc) even close it and start it again	18:29
+MrHairgrease	try to save that snippet once again	18:29
+MrHairgrease	bam, the server blows up	18:29
+MrHairgrease	other snippets work fine	18:29
+MrHairgrease	opera also still saves correctly	18:29
+MrHairgrease	so i decide to use opera to save that particular asset for the time being	18:30
+MrHairgrease	now the even weirder part comes	18:30
+MrHairgrease	after a number of saves using opera the server blows up again	18:30
+MrHairgrease	but currently it's working again under firefox.	18:31
+MrHairgrease	I cannot figure out what's triggering it	18:31
+MrHairgrease	it's on 7.4.2	18:31
+MrHairgrease	anybody seen this behaviour too?	18:31
+MrHairgrease	I've seen it happen on my laptop, my colleague's iBook and Arjan has seen it too.	18:32
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SDuensin	Welcome to Monday.	16:08
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+MrHairgrease	rizen	23:06
+MrHairgrease	or someone else	23:07
@rizen	mhg	23:07
+MrHairgrease	a quick question	23:07
@rizen	yes, i know your mom works that street corner	23:07
@rizen	but my girls gotta eat too	23:07
+MrHairgrease	is it possible to make a nav containing previous/next page links relative to the current page	23:07
+MrHairgrease	next and previous would be the sibling next to the current page	23:08
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+MrHairgrease	i need to know for my wuc presentation	23:08
@rizen	not any way i can think of using the current variables	23:09
@rizen	well...i guess you could load all the data into a javascript structure	23:10
@rizen	and then you'd know whether there was a prev / next page	23:10
@rizen	for the current page	23:10
@rizen	because you could check array lengths and such	23:10
+MrHairgrease	yeah	23:10
+MrHairgrease	that crossed my mind too	23:11
+MrHairgrease	oh well	23:11
+MrHairgrease	javascript would be good for acme i guess	23:11
+MrHairgrease	thanks	23:11
@rizen	np	23:11
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+MrHairgrease	the javascript thingy did the trick btw	00:06
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@preaction	does anyone think people would be interested in a patch to switch to graphics magic in 7.3.22?	01:41
@preaction	and/or a small shell script to translate custom code to use graphics magic?	01:41
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wgGuest63	hello everyone!	03:23
wgGuest63	I have a question for you all . . .	03:23
wgGuest63	has anyone in here used webgui for a school or university?	03:26
rizen_	dozens of our clients are universities and schools	03:26
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@rizen	the 8th and 9th largest school districts in the US use WebGUI (Philadelphia School District and the Hawaii Department of Education)	03:28
wgGuest63	excellent	03:30
wgGuest63	I'm the network administrator and helpdesk manager for our college in Chicago, IL	03:31
@rizen	Cool.	03:31
wgGuest63	and we currently have a unix server running Fedora 7 with the basic public_html directories	03:31
wgGuest63	nothing fancy	03:31
wgGuest63	www.site.com/~username	03:31
wgGuest63	but a small % of instructors use this	03:32
wgGuest63	and webgui seems like it will make everyone's life easier	03:32
wgGuest63	but	03:32
wgGuest63	as far as transitioing goes, . . . what are the URL's for a user that, . . let say registers and builds a page?	03:33
@rizen	Well, that's up to you, because a user doesn't get a page unless you as an admin gives it to them	03:33
wgGuest63	would I need to install this on a separate server and call it http://faculty.xxx.xxx.edu	03:34
@rizen	You can do that a couple different ways	03:34
wgGuest63	hmm	03:34
@rizen	You can either do it manually	03:34
wgGuest63	well, . . . whats the most common way you've seen it done	03:34
@rizen	or automated	03:34
wgGuest63	when a user registers for an account on www.domain.com	03:34
wgGuest63	is the user's site www.domain.com/user, etc?	03:35
wgGuest63	I'm trying to get a better sense of how this works	03:35
wgGuest63	and as a matter of fact	03:35
@rizen	Usually the admins I know do it manually because individual users don't get pages, it's departments that get pages, and then a department manager hands out pages to individuals if necessary	03:35
@rizen	the url can be basically whatever you want, but generally speaking it would be something like	03:35
@rizen	domain.com/faculty/username	03:35
@rizen	or faculty.domain.com/username would work fine too	03:36
wgGuest63	the only downside I see right now is that I need to put this on a separate server	03:36
@rizen	some people set up a workflow that will automatically create a user's page and assign rights when the user is created	03:36
@rizen	fyi, webgui has a built in workflow engine to automate such tasks	03:37
wgGuest63	only because I'm thinking about using our main campus webserver with the Joomla CMS!	03:37
wgGuest63	because we have scrict guidelines in terms of our corporate image	03:37
wgGuest63	so I'm designing a template for it	03:37
wgGuest63	but we do have faculty homepages that students visit for course syllabi and whatnot	03:37
@rizen	why would you go joomla for the main site and webgui for these substes?	03:37
@rizen	instead of webgui everywhere?	03:37
wgGuest63	well, I could	03:38
wgGuest63	but I would need to learn how to customize my current website to look exactly as is with webgui	03:38
wgGuest63	do you want to see our current page?	03:38
@rizen	sure	03:38
wgGuest63	remember, this is a corporate theme, so I can't modify it that much	03:38
@rizen	there's a book that can help you wiht that	03:39
wgGuest63	I need to design it so it looks lamost identical	03:39
wgGuest63	http://www.dpg.devry.edu	03:39
@rizen	https://www.plainblack.com/store/services/books2/webgui-designers-guide	03:39
wgGuest63	Joomla has some great template designs that would fit my needs	03:39
wgGuest63	and then webgui would be great for faculty	03:39
@rizen	webgui could do that design quite easily	03:40
@rizen	for that matter, i've never seen a design that webgui can't do	03:40
wgGuest63	the faculty webpage is a separate entity, and faculty would love the webgui interface and functionality	03:40
wgGuest63	however, according to the webui FAQ, I can't coexist apache and mysql on the same server as webgui?	03:41
wgGuest63	I didnt quite understand that	03:41
@rizen	actually you can	03:41
@rizen	could you point me to the faq that says that?	03:41
wgGuest63	http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/wre-installation	03:43
wgGuest63	Down the page it says make sure apache is not running at sstartup and make sure apache and mysql are not running during install	03:43
@rizen	ic that's not an faq, but a wiki page	03:43
@rizen	and the reason that it's saying that is that the WRE comes with it's own apache and MySQL built in	03:44
@rizen	so you don't need your own mysql and apache	03:44
wgGuest63	ahhh	03:44
wgGuest63	thats what I thought	03:44
wgGuest63	hmmm	03:44
wgGuest63	I am going to install it on my play server	03:45
wgGuest63	but webgui matches perfectly for our faculty	03:45
wgGuest63	and the install seems straight forward	03:46
@rizen	Incidentally you're not the only college down there running WebGUI	03:46
@rizen	University of Illinois Chicago already runs WebGUI	03:46
@rizen	at the Library, and a few other departments	03:46
@rizen	And so does Wheaton College Library	03:47
wgGuest63	nice	03:47
wgGuest63	if I have any questions with the install	03:47
wgGuest63	can I ask?	03:47
@rizen	you can certainly ask, but i'm afraid we charge for support...others here though will probably help you for free	03:48
wgGuest63	thats fine	03:50
wgGuest63	the instructions seem straight forward	03:50
wgGuest63	thanks again for your input	03:50
@rizen	np	03:52
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wgGuest63	where do you put the US/Central time zone setting in the rc.webgui file?	04:34
wgGuest63	how would you handle this config settikng?	04:34
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@preaction	wgGuest63, you need to alter the Visitor user's profile	05:11
@preaction	nothing to do with rc.webgui	05:11
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wgGuest63	anyone have problems with AWSTATS?	06:33
wgGuest63	I have the system installed	06:33
wgGuest63	but struggling to get the homepage loaded	06:33
wgGuest63	it continues to complain about the awstats config file	06:34
wgGuest63	unfortunately, I can't seem to figure this one out	06:34
@rizen	mv all of the stats related files out of /data/wre/etc until you have your first working site	06:40
@rizen	screw around with stats later	06:40
wgGuest63	argh!	06:50
wgGuest63	I know I'm close here	06:50
wgGuest63	but I moved all the files out of the /data/wre/etc directory to a backup dir and still no go	06:51
wgGuest63	it still complains about the awstats config	06:51
wgGuest63	should I re-install again without the awstats option?	06:51
wgGuest63	I don't get why its not workingyet	06:52
wgGuest63	I've installed this almost 10 times	06:54
wgGuest63	and everything seems to install flawlessl	06:54
wgGuest63	will try again	06:59
@rizen	don't know what to tell you...don't have any quick and dirty help	06:59
@rizen	if you follow the instructions to the letter	07:00
@rizen	it should "just work"	07:00
wgGuest63	I probably missed something	07:00
wgGuest63	I'm going to try it again	07:00
@rizen	if you want you could try the new technology preview WRE 0.8	07:00
wgGuest63	very true	07:01
@rizen	http://www.plainblack.com/downloads/builds/wre/	07:01
wgGuest63	thanks	07:01
wgGuest63	I'll try the stable first	07:01
@rizen	comment out line 41 of wreconsole.pl	07:01
wgGuest63	when I run the addsite command on the last step, . .. is that the admin site?	07:01
@rizen	there is no admin site	07:01
@rizen	each site is a fully functioning version of webgui	07:02
wgGuest63	hmm	07:02
@rizen	and completely separate from each other site	07:02
@rizen	WRE 0.8 has the WRE Console, which is a web based admin panel	07:02
@rizen	so maybe you read something about that	07:02
@rizen	and it's confusing you	07:02
wgGuest63	right. . I might have read it	07:02
wgGuest63	but with the stable version	07:03
wgGuest63	if I create one site	07:03
@rizen	the stable version has no wreconsole.p	07:03
@rizen	if you add one site	07:03
@rizen	then that's a working webgui	07:03
wgGuest63	how would I go about creating multipe sites for faculty, per say?	07:03
@rizen	that you can publish data to	07:03
@rizen	you want each faculty member to have a full webgui site?	07:03
@rizen	or just a section within a big site?	07:04
wgGuest63	well	07:04
wgGuest63	I suppose one section each per the one webgui	07:04
@rizen	then you'd need to log in as admin	07:04
@rizen	create the user	07:04
@rizen	create the page	07:04
@rizen	and assign rights to the page to the user	07:04
@rizen	or set up a workflow to do that for you	07:04
wgGuest63	but each of them will want freedom to create their own page layout, color, theme, etc.	07:05
wgGuest63	is this possible the way you described?	07:05
@rizen	yes	07:05
@rizen	every page in the site can have a unique style if that's what you want	07:05
wgGuest63	once I create lets say user1 and user2	07:05
wgGuest63	and a page for each	07:06
wgGuest63	user 1 will be able to modify his page	07:06
wgGuest63	I'll have to play around with it myself	07:06
wgGuest63	but faculty usually have more than one page	07:06
@rizen	rather than going through the hassle of installing it, why not play with this out on demo.webgui.org	07:06
@rizen	yeah, once they have one page	07:07
@rizen	they can add additional pages	07:07
@rizen	under that main page	07:07
wgGuest63	right	07:07
wgGuest63	and then I can create a link on my campus website to link to each faculty page	07:07
wgGuest63	lemme try thisinstall one more time	07:07
@rizen	if you set it up right, you can actually have webgui keep your faculty page up to date automatically	07:08
@rizen	so that when you add a new faculty member	07:08
@rizen	or delete one	07:08
@rizen	the main page is automatically updated	07:08
wgGuest63	cool, hold on	07:08
wgGuest63	(installing . . . )	07:09
wgGuest63	unpacking webgui	07:11
wgGuest63	almost done!	07:11
wgGuest63	=)	07:11
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wgGuest27	I'm back	07:24
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ckotil	hrm htmp::template::expr isnt handing my conditionals as I intend it to.	18:06
ckotil	?? pastebin	18:07
ckotil	http://www.pastebin.ca/692077	18:08
ckotil	nothing too fancey..	18:08
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ckotil	so i simplified the conditionals. and it works.	18:19
ckotil	perhaps thats a bug?	18:19
ckotil	http://pastebin.ca/692095 simplified.	18:20
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elnino	hi. I have some pages that need to be approved by one manager, and other pages be approved by another. Is there a way to do this? or is this an RFE?	19:58
@preaction	how are they split? by sections of the site? currently there's no automatic way to do it, but you can choose which workflow your version tag runs under	20:02
@preaction	so you can make two workflows: Commit With Approval from Manager One, and CWA from Manager Two, and assign different groups to the "Request Approval" workflow activity	20:03
elnino	so, when a user in a particular group "creates a version tag" is there a way to default which workflow they get? (based on the group they are in?)	20:07
@preaction	no	20:07
elnino	oh. so I have to teach them how to responsibly select the correct approval work flow? =)	20:07
@preaction	you might want to take a look inside the RequestApproval something something workflow activity	20:08
@preaction	it's really quite simple, you might be able to hack it yourself	20:08
elnino	work flow activies scare me. and make no sense to me. I'm just glad the default ones work. =)	20:09
@preaction	i actually wrote one that does what you require, using the RequestApproval as a base, for a client. problem is that it's completely custom for their site (there's no way to alter it to fit anyone's needs, it's a monster)	20:09
@preaction	might want to post an RFE for a "Request Approval workflow activity with Multiple Approval Groups". it seems I get asked about it a bit	20:10
@preaction	not sure if it'll pass muster with JT, but it'd be the simplest solution to the problem	20:11
@preaction	make sure to mention that we shouldn't stop with just one extra User Group to Approval Group relationship, that multiples should be available	20:11
@preaction	(it'd be a power admin's toy, but it would be very powerful)	20:11
elnino	thanks! you are very helpful. It looks liek workflows are little more intuitive from the old version I had. I'll see if I can dig around.	20:13
@preaction	i might just add it to my list, even if JT doesn't approve it, usually he'll take patches if he's coerced about the usefulness of it	20:14
@preaction	i mean, still make the RFE, but if it's not approved don't give up hope	20:15
@preaction	i think two new approval activities: one by group as you described, and one by asset lineage (so you can demarcate a section of your site to be under the control of certain users) will work out splendidly	20:16
elnino	ok. I'll create an rfe. Thanks! ANother question. I have 7.3.22 and we're planning on going live this friday. Would it be advisable to upgrade to the latest stable? I'm hoping there aren't any nasty surprises....	20:20
@preaction	7.3.22 is the latest stable	20:20
@preaction	7.4 is still in beta, afaik on-track to release stable this week or next	20:20
elnino	So, I have another question. I'm the "admin" user of webgui, and all the pages on the site are owned by me. is this the typical setup? or should the pages be owned by the group that can modify it?	20:27
elnino	what would the pros and cons be?	20:28
elnino	rfe made.	20:30
@preaction	assets are owned by a single user, that user is allowed (usually) to edit that asset (i believe, even if they aren't in the group that allows editing)	20:30
@preaction	i'm not really too sure about owner, since it usually never comes up	20:30
@preaction	i'd imagine though, it's mostly used for things like Posts to collab systems	20:30
@preaction	or Events	20:30
@preaction	user-posted content	20:30
elnino	yep, the owner has full editing rights regardless of edit group. Just wondierng if my setup is typical? or if people take the time to give the ownership of pages to other groups other than admin. no biggy, just curious.	20:44
@preaction	it's typical except for the user-posted content like Events and Posts/Threads	20:48
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elnino	ok. glad I'm typical. =)	20:52
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dionak	quick, easy question...i have a list of userIds in a template. How do I get the username for each userId? The userName macro just gets the logged in user according to the wiki...	22:51
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dionak	sounds easy anyways..	22:51
rizenisaway	you would need to write a macro that looks up the username based upon user id	22:52
dionak	ok..cool. thanks	22:52
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ckotil	<3 webgui	16:57
knowmad	awwww :)	16:57
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@rizen	sweet...did it do something particularly kick ass for you?	17:03
@rizen	how's bithznethz knowmad?	17:07
ckotil	yeah, the templating system	17:07
ckotil	html::template::expr in particular	17:08
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@rizen	ah yes...our design staff is particularly fond of that	17:09
@rizen	i just like that the templating system can scale with your needs/skill level	17:10
@rizen	noob = H:T	17:10
@rizen	some xp = H:T:E	17:10
@rizen	power user = TT	17:10
ckotil	tho i wasnt able to combine conditionals with \|\| &&.	17:11
@rizen	you can do that with TT	17:11
ckotil	oh, i see	17:11
@rizen	TT is pretty much a full on programming language	17:11
@rizen	you can inline perl code right into it	17:11
ckotil	awsome.	17:11
@rizen	but it's too challenging for most users, that's why we start everybody with H:T	17:12
ckotil	I can see that being very useful	17:12
@rizen	it's not too shabby	17:15
@rizen	ckotil, were you planning on coming to the WUC?	17:16
@rizen	the reason i bring it up is that our director of operations told me yesterday that there's only a few seats left. for the first time in history we're probably going to sell all our available seats	17:17
@rizen	so if you want one, you should sign up soon	17:17
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ckotil	No, thanks though.	17:43
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xootom	hi, very much looking forward to 7.4.6 and 7.5, can anyone hint at when they might be available?	18:03
@rizen	7.4.6 will come out today	18:03
@rizen	7.5 will come out when it does	18:03
xootom	ah lovely, thanks	18:03
xootom	np :)	18:04
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knowmad	hey rizen, bithznethz is good. we're working on redoing our website packages to all incorporate WebGUI (except an ecommerce offering that uses another product)	19:13
knowmad	how about you guys	19:14
@rizen	quite good actually	19:32
@rizen	we're busy working out the details for some new products and services that we'll be offering starting at the wuc	19:32
@rizen	and we also have some pretty high profile organizations that we're working out contracts for	19:33
@rizen	is the other system "OS Commerce"?	19:34
knowmad	no. we're using CS-Cart	19:34
knowmad	glad to hear you're keeping busy. i assumed as much seeing the job postings going up	19:34
knowmad	i look forward to hearing about the new stuff at the WUC	19:34
@rizen	hmmm...haven't heard of cs cart	19:35
@rizen	hopefully the new features i'm working on, which i'll show a small demo of at the wuc will be enough to eliminate the need for cs cart	19:35
knowmad	I'd be so happy if you can pull that off	19:36
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knowmad	It's just hard for a universal CMS to be as competent as a package which is devoted to that one concept (e.g., shopping cart, blogging)	19:37
@rizen	it won't be until early next year before you'll be able to use the new commerce features	19:37
@rizen	oh yeah, i know that	19:37
knowmad	i'm just glad to hear they are coming!	19:37
@rizen	i hope to suprize everyone a bit when we come out with the new commerce stuff	19:38
knowmad	on the other hand, folks probably use 25-50% of the features of these devoted pkgs	19:38
@rizen	actually...it's funny you say that	19:38
knowmad	so if WebGUI can do the main features, we can customize the special stuff	19:38
knowmad	I like surprises :)	19:38
knowmad	well, good ones anyhow	19:38
@rizen	one of our internal development goals is for webgui to have the most used 50% of features in any given category that it competes in	19:38
@rizen	we figure that the last 50% are so specialized, that they likely aren't worth the bang/buck	19:39
knowmad	Nice! That's a lofty goal.	19:39
knowmad	have you identified the apps you are competing with in each of the Assets?	19:39
knowmad	is that open to discussion?	19:39
@rizen	because, as you state, it's nearly impossible for a general purpose tool to compete with a specialized one	19:39
@rizen	we have for some of them	19:40
@rizen	CS = phpBB	19:40
@rizen	and i think we have the 50% covered there	19:40
@rizen	and then some	19:40
@rizen	wiki = mediawiki	19:40
@rizen	we have a ways to go	19:40
knowmad	unfortunately, i have to agree with that	19:41
@rizen	but we only just introduced our wiki	19:41
@rizen	they've been around for ever	19:41
knowmad	i'd love to start using the wiki for our internal docs but need some features like more refined permissions control per entry	19:41
knowmad	yeah, and it's getting better	19:41
@rizen	yeah, the 7.4 wiki is a very usable wiki, though not feature rich	19:41
@rizen	for commerce our 50% goal is measured against OS Commerce	19:42
@rizen	arguably the leader in the shopping cart arena	19:42
knowmad	i've not used OS Commerce. it's prob similar to CS-cart and X-Cart	19:42
@rizen	my goal is to reach our 50% commerce goal by the end of 2008	19:44
@rizen	the calendar is really starting to get close too	19:45
@rizen	it only needs the list view, and subscriptions and we're there	19:45
@rizen	of course "there" is a dynamic thing	19:45
@rizen	people are always adding new features	19:46
knowmad	great. what are you comparing calendar to?	19:50
@rizen	calcium	19:53
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@rizen	at some point we may need to update our views and compare it to something like google calendars, or phpGroupware, or evite....something that has resource scheduling and event planning capabilities	19:54
@rizen	but for now, we're just trying to make the best event calendar we can make	19:55
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knowmad	hey, rizen. sorry to fall off. had a client call.	21:32
knowmad	then lunch was calling	21:32
knowmad	I like your ideas of making the calendar work for resource scheduling and event planning.	21:33
xootom	is it possible to change the url the user is sent to after they have confirmed their account via email? by default the url contains the place they started registering from, so short of making the site's registration link point to a page preceeding the actual registration, then having different assets for 'registered users' on this page. can I override the url in the confirm email?	22:14
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+MrHairgrease	weirdness	23:25
+MrHairgrease	if you paste this code into the description of a page	23:25
+MrHairgrease	apche will jump to 100% processor and eat up your machine	23:26
+MrHairgrease	http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-perl-737.html	23:26
+MrHairgrease	my guess is it's doin something with macro's	23:26
@preaction	that's crazy talk there	23:28
+MrHairgrease	but it does run	23:28
+MrHairgrease	it's an amazing piece of code	23:29
@preaction	indeed	23:31
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@preaction	i haven't seen colin around in a while	00:36
+MrHairgrease	i was thinking the same when I just joined the channel today	00:37
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@preaction	i'm writing some tests for that code you pasted to try to debug why and ensure it doesn't ever become a problem again, and i was thinking about some changes to the structure of our tests	00:37
@preaction	wanted to run it by him... hum...	00:38
@rizen	colin hasn't been around for a while because he injured himself	00:38
@rizen	so instead of coding time	00:38
@rizen	he has therapy time	00:39
+MrHairgrease	injured?	00:39
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+MrHairgrease	will he be at the wuc?	00:39
@rizen	yes he'll be there	00:40
+MrHairgrease	ok	00:40
+MrHairgrease	that's good	00:40
@preaction	my test succeeds, but it takes a few seconds in the test environment.	00:41
@rizen	yo mamma	00:41
@preaction	during which, i imagine, the process is 100% cpu	00:42
@preaction	or not... weird	00:42
@preaction	maybe it's because there's only the weird text itself, and not a page style around it	00:43
@preaction	there are five macros that get opened in that string, and only one of them gets closed, so the processor i assume keeps going until it reaches the end of the text. the problem is the regex recursion, since it's one regex, it's causing that intensive loop	00:46
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xootom	is password recovery with email address working for other people?	02:11
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cap10morgan	Am I correct in assuming that the HTTP proxy wobject can't handle redirects from the thing it's proxying?	02:14
cap10morgan	oh, no, it seems i am not. the code is there, but something's not working, hmm...	02:30
@rizen	do you have follow redirects turned on	02:31
@rizen	in the http proxy	02:31
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xootom	if I set allow password recovery to email address, there is no password recovery form on my site, what could be breaking it?	02:47
xootom	with user profile fields is ok though	02:48
@preaction	xootom, what version? there were some necessary fixes to the system, and a complete overhaul in 7.4	02:50
xootom	7.4.5, i've just tried with another site on the same wre/webgui though which is ok	02:52
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xootom	doesnt seem to be a template problem	03:05
@rizen	i doubt it's a bug since it works on plainblack.com	03:09
xootom	yeah it works on my server on other instances of the site too	03:12
xootom	the form is just missing though on my main site	03:12
@preaction	there were changes to the form, are you using the default template?	03:16
xootom	yeah and compared it with a working site, its the same	03:17
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xootom	strange, I think I'll have to abandon it for today, in the WebGUI auth in sub emailRecoverPassword it's rendering hidden fields and the form, but the text, email and submit elements aren't coming through	03:44
xootom	could it be conflicting with my utility interface template's login form i wonder	03:46
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cap10morgan	rizen: yeah, i have follow redirects on (sorry, just saw your response)	06:00
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knowmad	can anyone enlighten me about using session scratch to store stuff?	15:34
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@rizen	$session->scratch->set("x", "here's my data");	16:41
@rizen	scratch variables persist for the duration of the session	16:42
@rizen	so until the user logs out, or is logged out by session time out	16:42
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ckotil	then is it <tmpl_var x> to call on it?	17:45
@rizen	to call on what?	17:48
@rizen	scratch variables?	17:48
knowmad	ok, thanks rizen. i'm actually on a different course b/c like ckotil points out, i'm not sure how to grab it back out.	17:56
knowmad	plus i need to grab it back on a per-user basis while iterating over a loop in the InOutBoard wobject. it makes more sense to set the profile field during login.	17:57
knowmad	are you guys using the runOnLogin config option? I've got a post to the support forum about it. I don't see how it works because it looks like it's using the macro module to process the command.	17:58
@rizen	runOnLogin is being used by one of our clients	17:58
@rizen	$session->scratch->get("x) is how you get it back out	17:58
knowmad	good. so it does work.	17:58
@rizen	$session->scratch->get("x")	17:59
knowmad	but how would that work inside the loop in InOutBoard where i'm iterating over many users. i'd have to instantiate new sessions for each user to get their scratch setting wouldn't I?	17:59
@rizen	yes	18:00
@rizen	if you were trying to set it on each user's session	18:00
knowmad	with >50 users, that sounds slow	18:00
@rizen	assuming they even have sessions	18:00
knowmad	that's a good point as well	18:00
knowmad	that's why i'm thinking using the runOnLogin script to set a profile value	18:00
@rizen	perhaps you should just tell me what you're trying to do	18:01
knowmad	i just don't know what's coming into that script when it is called.	18:01
@rizen	the end result	18:01
knowmad	end result is to set a phone ext for each user as they login	18:01
knowmad	each day the user may be at a different extension and we need to show that info in the inout board	18:01
@rizen	so how could you use runOnLogin to do that?	18:02
knowmad	it's working with a profile field but changing it is a pain, esp since they do not allow users to alter their profiles which means an admin would have to do it	18:02
knowmad	i could use a script to take an extra form param from the login form and set the profile field	18:02
@rizen	nope	18:02
@rizen	the form data isn't being sent to the runOnLogin command	18:03
knowmad	if session obj is passed to script, i could use session->form->param(). or maybe not....	18:03
@rizen	you can't pass an object to a script	18:03
knowmad	then i could pass it in on a command line via FormParam macro?	18:03
@rizen	think about it	18:03
knowmad	yeah, i see...	18:03
knowmad	about passing an object	18:03
knowmad	to be honest, i don't see how that script is getting called	18:04
@rizen	the script gets called like this:	18:04
knowmad	it looks like it's using the macro utility to do it and the macros do receive objects	18:04
@rizen	here: /path/to/script ^@; ^whatever; ^somemacro;	18:04
@rizen	it is'nt sending objects	18:05
@rizen	it's sending strings	18:05
@rizen	so your script needs to read those from ARGV	18:05
@rizen	and the command string	18:05
@rizen	is what you put in the config file	18:05
@rizen	macros and all	18:06
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knowmad	so i should use the _utility.skeleton to base my script on	18:06
@rizen	yup	18:06
knowmad	do you think using the FormParam macro will work?	18:07
@rizen	provided that you customize your login form to add the extra value	18:07
@rizen	then yyes	18:07
knowmad	great. i'll let you know how it goes	18:07
knowmad	so can you tell me why the WebGUI::Macro::process method is used to call the command? i'd think that it would process a Macro instead of execute a command.	18:08
knowmad	see WebGUI::Auth.pm line 678	18:09
knowmad	the comment in WebGUI::Macro.pm says: "Runs all the WebGUI macros to and replaces them in the HTML with their output."	18:10
knowmad	what does that mean?	18:10
knowmad	ohh, i see, it's how you replace the macro with the output in the command string	18:11
knowmad	still, it looks like there's a typo in the comment	18:11
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dionak	does anyone know of any plans to work on the inbox? I'm looking into this feature and am curious if work is already going on in this area...	19:03
@rizen	7.4 and 7.5 both have improvements to the inbox	19:03
@rizen	7.4 has a whole new interface as well as private messaging	19:04
@rizen	7.5 adds a friends system, so you can easily send messages back and forth between friends	19:04
dionak	i've noticed...the private messaging but i didn't see the messages between friends. i'm looking at the source in svn...	19:05
dionak	i need to be able to delete messages and i created a test for WebGUI::Inbox.	19:05
dionak	i have delete working btw.	19:06
dionak	where do i find the messages between friends?	19:06
@rizen	it's not in svn yet cuz we haven't branched for 7.5 yet	19:07
dionak	oh, ok. is there a timeline in place?	19:07
@rizen	incidentally, i won't accept the delete code unless it simply marks the message deleted, and doesn't display it	19:07
@rizen	it can't actually delete the message	19:07
dionak	that would be my preference but i'm currently using the delete method that existed. are you planning to make an inbox look like any existing mail application?	19:08
dionak	i could change the code to set status = 'deleted' if that's acceptable	19:08
@rizen	yup, that's fine	19:08
dionak	cool	19:08
@rizen	the look and feel of the inbox as it is in 7.4 is the only change we have planned for the short term	19:09
@rizen	longer term we plan on building a whole new account management screen set	19:09
@rizen	including the inbox	19:09
@rizen	but i don't know what version that would be	19:10
dionak	i'd be happy to contribute to the inbox if that's useful.	19:10
@rizen	we're always up for contributions. simply document what you want to change, and email it to me.	19:10
dionak	ok, will do. thanks	19:11
@rizen	then once we're branched for 7.5 you can start checking in your changes	19:11
dionak	gotcha	19:11
@rizen	does anyone here know how to use Parse::RecDescent	19:11
@rizen	i'm having a hard time with it	19:12
dionak	knowmad is pretty familiar with that...	19:12
@rizen	knowmad, r u around?	19:12
knowmad	hey rizen, what's up?	19:13
knowmad	ahh, recdescent. that's a fun module!	19:13
@rizen	i'm trying to learn it	19:13
@rizen	so i've created a custom config file format for screwing around with	19:14
knowmad	yeah, it's a mind bender	19:14
@rizen	and i've started writing my grammar	19:14
@rizen	but it doesn't work	19:14
knowmad	but it's awesome when you get it working	19:14
@rizen	here's the perl	19:14
@rizen	http://rafb.net/p/LZjqLB48.html	19:14
knowmad	you read my mind :)	19:14
knowmad	what about the config file?	19:14
@rizen	here's the config	19:14
@rizen	http://rafb.net/p/BB3sAo80.html	19:14
@rizen	i just recently made a change that makes it so it won't even run	19:15
@rizen	let me remove that and paste again	19:15
@rizen	ok, new code: http://rafb.net/p/RBuIbh56.html	19:16
@rizen	and here's the output i'm getting: http://rafb.net/p/2cNy2d22.html	19:16
@rizen	i'm getting the data just fine	19:17
@rizen	but i want the structure to include the directives too...like a hash reference, so i know what the data represents	19:17
knowmad	i'm running it local	19:17
knowmad	there are callbacks you can run when matching to grab that info	19:20
knowmad	i've got a lunch mtg to get to but can find an example for you when i get back in around 3ish	19:20
@rizen	thanks	19:20
knowmad	i'll im when i get back to see where you get	19:20
knowmad	you'll prob. figure it out while i'm out ;)	19:20
@rizen	i'm probably going to have to give up	19:20
@rizen	i don't really have enough time to do this right now	19:21
knowmad	leave it and i'll get back to you this afternoon	19:21
dionak	jt, do you have a guesstimate on the branch for 7.5?	19:43
@rizen	when all the bugs on the bug list for 7.4 are gone	19:44
@rizen	hopefully next week	19:44
@rizen	but that's really up to Haarg and the rest of the community	19:45
dionak	ok, thanks.	19:45
dionak	where is the bug list?	19:45
@rizen	webgui.org/bugs	19:45
@rizen	exclude any plainblack.com, and wre bugs	19:45
@rizen	the only ones that matter for stable are WebGUI bugs	19:45
dionak	ok. how do you make sure people aren't working on the same thing?	19:46
dionak	or do you?	19:46
@rizen	the tradition is that while you're working on a bug you reply to it and say you're working on it	19:48
@rizen	and then you reply again when you're no longer working	19:48
dionak	cool. thanks.	19:48
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knowmad	rizen, yt?	22:38
knowmad	i've got something for you to play with.	22:39
knowmad	http://rafb.net/p/cpSFb868.html	22:40
cap10morgan	anyone know of someone working on adding OpenID authentication to WebGUI?	22:40
knowmad	yeah, there's a post in add ons for it	22:41
cap10morgan	oh yeah?	22:41
cap10morgan	groovy	22:41
knowmad	and it sounds pretty complete. i'm hoping for a project to be able to try it myself.	22:41
cap10morgan	yeah, i've got one now, so this is good news. :) thanks knowmad	22:42
knowmad	but none so far. please post a reply to the guy if you try it.	22:42
cap10morgan	for sure	22:42
knowmad	yes, it's always a joy to find out that someone else has done the dirty work for you :)	22:42
cap10morgan	no doubt	22:42
knowmad	maybe you can help me	22:42
knowmad	i need to update a user profile field from an external script	22:43
knowmad	assuming i have a user object, any suggestions for what to use to do this?	22:43
@rizen	if you have a user object then you just call the profileField method	22:44
@rizen	$user->profileField("email", 'me@you.com');	22:44
@rizen	thanks for the code	22:45
@rizen	i'll take a look	22:45
knowmad	yeah, hope it works out. i'm sure you'll figure out how to get the output you need	22:45
@rizen	ohly crap	22:46
@rizen	it just works	22:46
knowmad	:)	22:47
@rizen	i've been playing with the return strings now for quite a while	22:47
knowmad	RD is like that! Hats off to Damian.	22:47
@rizen	and got close, but still not right	22:47
@rizen	i don't understand why yours works though	22:47
@rizen	you're creating strings	22:47
@rizen	is the return value supposed to be a string?	22:48
@rizen	oh wait	22:48
knowmad	that's my understanding but to be honest i grabbed that code from an old script I wrote and plugged it in. let me send you a bunch of url's i used while developing it	22:48
@rizen	nevermind, yours isn't working	22:48
@rizen	yours is just returning strings	22:48
knowmad	i thought that was strange that you'd want it in that format	22:48
@rizen	not an actual hash	22:49
@rizen	no, what i want is for it to create a hash	22:49
knowmad	i suspect you can change that behavior	22:49
@rizen	i'm sure i can, but it's going to take a lot more dinking around	22:49
knowmad	lemme pull the POD	22:49
@rizen	i can get it to the point where it gives me an array of hash references	22:50
@rizen	which i suppose i can then just merge into a giant hash	22:50
knowmad	but that'd take addt'l work outside of the parser	22:51
knowmad	there's a way to populate a hash as you parse. hold on a sec...	22:52
@rizen	i've got it working, now, but through a total jury rig	22:53
@rizen	i'm sure there is a better way to do it	22:53
@rizen	here's my code that works	22:55
@rizen	http://rafb.net/p/PG2fo869.html	22:55
@rizen	and the output: http://rafb.net/p/Vd52EQ26.html	22:55
@rizen	but i'm cheating cuz i'm using an external hash	22:55
@rizen	rather than the data structure created by Parse::RecDescent	22:56
knowmad	ok, got somethin	22:57
knowmad	but you beat me to the punch	22:57
@rizen	so you're using an external hash too?	22:58
knowmad	and i see that you break out value and units in yours	22:58
knowmad	yes, an external hash that gets populated via the parser	22:58
knowmad	wanna see the code?	22:58
@rizen	sure	22:58
@rizen	isn't that cheating though?	22:58
@rizen	or is that the way you're supposed to do it?	22:58
knowmad	http://rafb.net/p/fmb1Dt34.html	22:59
knowmad	using an external hash?	22:59
@rizen	yeah?	22:59
@rizen	shouldn't we be using the data structure that the parser creates?	22:59
knowmad	i don't see why it's cheating but I'm no PRD expert	22:59
@preaction	parser doesn't really create a structure. it can modify text in-place if you give it a scalar-ref instead of a scalar	23:00
knowmad	check out this - http://search.cpan.org/~dconway/Parse-RecDescent-1.94/lib/Parse/RecDescent.pod#Autoactions	23:00
@preaction	it's weird, i just got into it yesterday	23:00
@preaction	had to use local for the first time ever (at least, proper use of local)	23:01
@rizen	it does create a structure preaction	23:01
@preaction	oh, hmm	23:01
knowmad	his example shows using the code blocks (though not an external data structure)	23:01
@rizen	if you do Dumper($parser->parse) it outputs an array ref	23:01
@preaction	ohhh that's what $return is	23:01
@rizen	right	23:01
@preaction	dur, that would work far better than what i was doing for the macros	23:01
knowmad	are there methods that can be called on the object?	23:02
knowmad	but return is just a string	23:02
knowmad	actually i take that back	23:02
knowmad	looking at the POD he shows examples of return returnings an array. so i guess it could also return a hashref which is essentially what i did in my latest code example.	23:02
@preaction	rizen, fyi: the few benchmarks i've been able to complete (hard to do due to Out Of Memory errors) say that with just one macro containing one nested macro, PRD is 25% faster	23:03
@preaction	with 7 of those macros in the same text, it's almost 1000% faster	23:03
@rizen	yeah, but i want to see it inside of a bunch of HTML	23:03
@rizen	that's the true benchmark	23:03
@rizen	if you just take the output of a default site	23:04
@rizen	and run it on that	23:04
@preaction	i can only do a few hundred iterations, but i'll assemble a style from a demo	23:04
@rizen	incidentally Haarg wrote one using a different kind of regex that was also 1000% faster	23:05
@preaction	nice	23:05
@rizen	however, his didnt' take into account macros that output macro code	23:05
@rizen	like when you call ^AssetProxy();	23:05
@rizen	that might output macros	23:05
@rizen	does yours take care of that?	23:05
@Haarg	mine could do that, i just haven't written it to do so yet	23:06
@preaction	i'm not sure, i just call the parser to parse nested macros	23:06
@preaction	i don't think it does for a couple cases yet	23:06
@rizen	I know Haarg, but your benchmarks don't include that	23:06
@rizen	it's all well and good to say that A outperforms B by 1000%. But if A and B aren't doing the same thing then it's not a very good test	23:07
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@Haarg	yeah	23:07
+MrHairgrease	rizen	23:07
@rizen	mhg	23:07
@Haarg	i'm pretty sure it would still be significantly faster	23:08
+MrHairgrease	it is true that importAssetData is not being called if you extend it in a wobject?	23:08
@rizen	i'm not saying it wouldn't	23:08
@rizen	and i hope it is	23:08
@rizen	just like i hope preaction's is	23:08
@preaction	i've got a benchmark script, but it seems to destroy sites	23:08
+MrHairgrease	maybe i'm just fucking up	23:08
@preaction	(probably because of the OOM errors and not being able to properly rollback)	23:09
@rizen	well you have to do $self->SUPER::importAssetData(@_);	23:09
+MrHairgrease	but i'm trying to fix roys memory wobject so that it also exports some collateral data	23:09
@rizen	are you doing that?	23:09
+MrHairgrease	i did that	23:09
@rizen	well then it should be	23:09
+MrHairgrease	the thing is that I put a whole bunch of warns in there to monitor what it's doing	23:10
+MrHairgrease	and they're not showing up in the logs	23:10
@rizen	did you restart apache afterward?	23:10
+MrHairgrease	nor does some table get updated	23:10
+MrHairgrease	yeah	23:10
+MrHairgrease	but	23:10
+MrHairgrease	let me try again	23:10
+MrHairgrease	hmm	23:12
+MrHairgrease	still doesn't work	23:12
+MrHairgrease	I get some weird errors though	23:13
cap10morgan	is there a way to manually reset a webgui user's password in the db? i've tried setting it to the output of md5(password), old_password(password), and password(password), but no luck	23:13
cap10morgan	(the identifier field in the authentication table)	23:13
+MrHairgrease	2007/09/13 22:11:25 - ERROR - dev2.conf - Log::Log4perl::Layout::PatternLayout::render[[undef]] - Could not set uid/gid on '/data/domains/dev2/public/uploads/4-/lH/4-lHDT_qzyaWK3X	23:13
+MrHairgrease	vdlH-tQ/thumb-roy.png	23:13
+MrHairgrease	but that file is there _with_ the right privs	23:13
+MrHairgrease	somehow WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Memory->importAssetData is not called	23:14
+MrHairgrease	or so it seems	23:14
+MrHairgrease	oh crap	23:14
+MrHairgrease	I think i found it	23:15
+MrHairgrease	197 my $asset = $assets{$data->{properties}{parentId}} \|\| $self;	23:15
+MrHairgrease	198 my $newAsset = $asset->importAssetData($data);	23:15
+MrHairgrease	so importAssetData is called on another asset than the one that is being imported	23:15
+MrHairgrease	right?	23:15
+MrHairgrease	it is	23:16
+MrHairgrease	the parent asset to be precise	23:16
+MrHairgrease	so the importAssetData method is called on the wrong asset	23:17
+MrHairgrease	or maybe not the wrong	23:17
+MrHairgrease	but in a way that I cannot extend it	23:17
@rizen	you can extend it	23:17
@rizen	if you couldn't then you wouldn't be able to import images	23:17
@rizen	which are an extension of a file	23:18
@rizen	oh, but nevermind	23:18
+MrHairgrease	hmm	23:18
@rizen	that doesn't override anything	23:18
@rizen	it just inherits	23:18
+MrHairgrease	yeah	23:18
+MrHairgrease	that's what i mean	23:18
+MrHairgrease	but let me check it out to be sure	23:18
+MrHairgrease	Image assets don't have the method	23:19
+MrHairgrease	oh	23:19
+MrHairgrease	thta was what you were saying	23:19
+MrHairgrease	actually	23:20
+MrHairgrease	ont AssetPackage.pm has it	23:20
+MrHairgrease	exporting collateral data works great by the	23:21
+MrHairgrease	exportAssetData is extendible	23:21
@rizen	i don't understand why is import not extendible?	23:22
@rizen	oh	23:23
@rizen	nevermind	23:23
@rizen	it's the same reason that when you call www_add	23:23
@rizen	you're calling it on the parent	23:23
+MrHairgrease	yeah	23:23
@rizen	the asset doesn't exist yet	23:23
@rizen	so why do you need to extend it?	23:23
+MrHairgrease	b/c	23:23
@rizen	if www_add works, then so should import	23:23
+MrHairgrease	the memory asset has images for the memory cards	23:24
+MrHairgrease	and stores them in a table called MemoryImage	23:24
+MrHairgrease	teh images are in storage locations	23:24
+MrHairgrease	exporting and importing the images themselves work fine	23:24
+MrHairgrease	but inserting the correct rows in that table must be done from importassetdata	23:25
+MrHairgrease	and no	23:25
+MrHairgrease	www_add is called on the parent	23:25
@rizen	that's what i said	23:25
+MrHairgrease	which call geteditform on the to be created asset	23:25
+MrHairgrease	so ther you can do your magick	23:25
+MrHairgrease	not in add	23:25
@rizen	ok, so the problem here is that you have collateral data	23:26
+MrHairgrease	yeah	23:26
@rizen	and the import system doesn't account for that	23:26
+MrHairgrease	apparently	23:26
+MrHairgrease	however	23:26
+MrHairgrease	it's perfectly possible to export collateral data into apckage	23:27
+MrHairgrease	a package*	23:27
+MrHairgrease	you just cannot import it again	23:27
+MrHairgrease	which kind of defies the purpous of being able to export it =)	23:27
@rizen	right	23:27
@rizen	so add a method to WebGUI::AssetPackage called importAssetCollateralData	23:28
@rizen	make it empty by default	23:28
+MrHairgrease	that would work	23:28
@rizen	and have it called on the newly imported asset	23:28
+MrHairgrease	yeah	23:28
@rizen	you have my blessing to do so and add it to svn	23:28
+MrHairgrease	ok	23:28
+MrHairgrease	will do	23:28
+MrHairgrease	there's also another bug i found	23:29
+MrHairgrease	by default JSON will return objects called JSON::NotString (ort something like that) in the datastructures returned by JSON::jsonToObj	23:29
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+MrHairgrease	which will cause the import to die	23:30
+MrHairgrease	the fix is setting this before you convert the datasturcture	23:30
knowmad	rizen, here's my refactored version of a RD parser using the built-in $return object --> http://rafb.net/p/scUEbb94.html	23:30
+MrHairgrease	$JSON::UnMapping = 1;	23:30
@rizen	mhg: that fix won't cause any other problems anywhere?	23:31
+MrHairgrease	I have no idea	23:31
+MrHairgrease	but we can set it back	23:31
+MrHairgrease	what it does is	23:31
+MrHairgrease	return null as undef true as 1	23:31
+MrHairgrease	and false a zero	23:31
+MrHairgrease	in stead of JSON::NoStriong objects	23:32
+MrHairgrease	if you don't do it webgui will complain like this:	23:32
+MrHairgrease	2007/09/13 12:47:43 - WARN - dev2.conf - Log::Log4perl::Logger::__ANON__[41] - Couldn't call method importPackage on asset for url: root Root cause: Operation "eq": no method foun	23:32
+MrHairgrease	d,	23:32
+MrHairgrease	left argument in overloaded package JSON::NotString,	23:32
+MrHairgrease	right argument has no overloaded magic at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm line 2097.	23:32
+MrHairgrease	this was caused by an undef synopsis field	23:33
@rizen	knowmad, thanks, but i did that before	23:33
@rizen	you'll note that isn't the same output	23:33
@rizen	it's creating an array of hashreferences	23:33
@rizen	i c	23:34
@rizen	in that case, do it mhg	23:34
+MrHairgrease	ok	23:34
+MrHairgrease	but first	23:34
+MrHairgrease	im gonna have dinner	23:34
+MrHairgrease	it's 22:30 over here	23:34
+MrHairgrease	and I'm getting hungry =)	23:35
@rizen	hehe	23:35
@rizen	have a beer too	23:35
+MrHairgrease	I already have	23:35
@rizen	but don't hack webgui druknk	23:35
@rizen	drunk	23:35
+MrHairgrease	no worries	23:35
+MrHairgrease	I prolly don't have time before monday	23:36
+MrHairgrease	ok	23:36
+MrHairgrease	see you	23:36
@Haarg	that fix with $JSON::UnMapping is already in	23:39
+MrHairgrease	ok	23:39
+MrHairgrease	cool	23:39
+MrHairgrease	bye	23:39
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@rizen	Haarg rules	23:39
knowmad	rizen, can i see your solution?	23:44
@rizen	sure, but it's pretty much the same as before: http://rafb.net/p/mbbxV466.html	23:46
@rizen	although one of your examples did teach me the cool rulevar directive	23:46
knowmad	cool. it's different than the version you posted before lunch.	23:47
@rizen	oh	23:47
@rizen	sorry, about 3pm ish when you came back i posted it again	23:47
knowmad	musta missed it	23:47
@rizen	i must not have caught your attention though	23:47
@rizen	it's cool that you can write your own little programming language with Parse::RecDescent	23:48
@rizen	i'm starting to wonder why more modules don't use it	23:48
knowmad	yeah, it's a fascinating module	23:48
@rizen	i'd think that template toolkit and HTML::Template would be faster if they were written using it	23:48
knowmad	i don't know what the overhead is for using it. seems like i saw some discussion about that somewhere.	23:49
@rizen	thanks for your help btw	23:50
knowmad	yw	23:50
@rizen	the reason i started learning this is because at perl mongers tonight i'm doing a talk on using perl for system adminstration	23:50
@rizen	and there are lots of config file parsers out there	23:50
knowmad	it was a fun challenge and i don't use PRD enough in my day-to-day work	23:50
@rizen	but i wanted to show them what they could do if they couldn't find one to parse some config they come across	23:51
@rizen	yeah...it's not something you'd use every day	23:51
knowmad	wish i could be there. sounds like fun.	23:51
@rizen	the presentation and an mp3 file will be posted to madmongers.org afterward if you are interested	23:51
knowmad	great. i'll check it out.	23:52
@rizen	again, thanks	23:52
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@rizen	btw...there are a couple of bofs at the wuc you may be interested in	23:53
knowmad	have a good one	23:53
@rizen	check out the wuc wiki and sign up if you're interested	23:53
knowmad	where are the BOFs posted?	23:53
knowmad	plainblack.com/wuc?	23:53
@rizen	yup	23:53
knowmad	ok, will do	23:53
knowmad	i didn't know about the BOF's. might be a good news piece.	23:53
@rizen	good point	23:54
@rizen	i'll have kristi write something up	23:54
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nuba	hey jt	00:14
@rizen	howdy	00:14
@rizen	how's maps?	00:14
nuba	just saw your email from yesterday	00:14
nuba	no good news, im afraid :/	00:14
nuba	many things happened here	00:14
nuba	got a monster flu and stayed in bed for week+	00:15
@rizen	i'm sorry to hear that	00:15
@rizen	any chance it will be working before the wuc?	00:15
nuba	then hectic schedule at work, post-vacation, if you know what i mean	00:15
nuba	then on top of that my grandma is hanging in a thread, not sure if i'll stay in rio or travel to middle of south-america at any moment	00:16
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@rizen	crappy	00:16
nuba	so yeah yo ucan say its all working agsint the idea of the sept 15 target date	00:16
@preaction	when i'm running benchmarks for these things, do i have to destroy/re-open the session between iterations? i get some impossible figures: 0.021 seconds to run 500 pages through the REGEX engine	00:16
nuba	maybe for the wuc	00:16
nuba	not for sept 15 for sure	00:16
nuba	i did a lot more of research on googlemaps after 7.4 was released	00:17
nuba	did all tutorials on a couple of hacking-googlemaps books i got	00:18
nuba	and some coding to the asset, but not a lot	00:18
nuba	thats the state of the union	00:18
@rizen	sorry to hear about your grandma, thanks for the update	00:19
nuba	np, sorry for the delay, im not being online a lot lately	00:19
@rizen	preaction: better if you do	00:19
nuba	thanks re: grandma	00:20
nuba	hows the schedule plan for 7.5 ? got any already?	00:21
@rizen	that will be announced at the wuc	00:22
nuba	that meaning no 7.5.0 before mid-oct, then?	00:23
@rizen	correct	00:24
nuba	ok	00:24
@rizen	at least as far as i'm willing to say publically at this time	00:24
nuba	ok	00:25
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cap10morgan	most of the time when i commit things, spectre gets a 500 internal server error on the first try (and sometimes the second...); i have no idea what's going on, but is there any place to start debugging it? if i restart spectre, it will commit just fine.	02:08
@preaction	can WebGUI connect to spectre? are the spectreIp and spectrePort settings in your webgui.conf correct?	02:09
cap10morgan	yeah, like i said, it will eventually go through, and if i restart spectre, it goes through	02:09
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dionak	does anyone know where the hover help js and css is?	04:11
dionak	for instance, when you're in a tab in admin and hover over an element, hover help is displayed in a box...	04:11
wgGuest08	How do I edit the rc.webgui - adding TZ info?	04:12
dionak	what are you trying to do?	04:14
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wgGuest08	I'm following WRE instruction for Binaries and it's the last step before I start WRE	04:16
dionak	i see why you're asking. it sounds like a top level variable. i'm not a plainblack developer, btw. have you tried adding it as a top level variable? unfortunately, i'm running wre 0.8 so I don't have rc.webgui anymore to test...	04:24
dionak	just upgraded today	04:24
dionak	or you could set it command line tonight via export and post to support or the forums	04:25
dionak	another thought, if it works exporting via command line...you could add the export to the .bashrc of the user that starts webgui on boot.	04:26
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wgGuest08	I'm setting up a server at home for testing before I get commercial hosting. I don't knoe much about webgui, but I was following the WRE Instructions fine until I got to the time zone issue	04:28
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dionak	so you echoed $TZ and got nothing back i'm guessing. i think any of these suggestions would work. i'm lazy so if i were testing, i would first try setting it command line and, if that worked, add it to the .bashrc of the user starting the rc.webgui (probably root)	04:36
dionak	try that and let me know if it works	04:37
wgGuest08	I'm on SSH - what exactly do I have to do. I'm the only user.	04:39
dionak	try typing 'export TZ=<your timezone>' and starting rc.webgui	04:40
dionak	oh, after typing export TZ=<timezone>, type 'echo $TZ' to see what the result is..	04:40
dionak	you should get whatever you entered. make sure it's a valid tz	04:41
dionak	where are you?	04:41
dionak	i'm 'America/New York'	04:42
wgGuest08	Same	04:42
dionak	or US/Eastern	04:42
dionak	try US/Eastern	04:42
wgGuest08	The export cmd worked.	04:43
wgGuest08	Thank you	04:43
dionak	is webgui working?	04:43
dionak	you're welcome	04:43
wgGuest08	WebGUI started.	04:45
dionak	great!	04:45
dionak	glad i could help...	04:45
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elnino	hello. I thought I saw somewhere in webgui a place where you can "temporarily" turn off webgui and put upa "maaintainance page" was I dreaming?	07:28
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elnino	sorry, I lost connection.	07:37
elnino	I thought I saw somewhere in webgui where I could temporarily take down webgui andput up a maintainance page. Was I dreaming?	07:38
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@rizen	the end of the world is near	17:06
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@rizen	see, i told you	17:08
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nuba	rizen: i once submitted a bug with the subject "TagCloud (Keywords.pm)", with a patch,	19:17
nuba	so that "this thing" would be treated as a single tag	19:17
nuba	instead of '"this' being one tag, and 'thing"' being another tag	19:17
nuba	i see the bug was closed long ago, but browsing the HEAD for Keyword.pm, it seems it was just ignored	19:18
nuba	it is still splitting on " "	19:21
nuba	.oO(btw assuming Perl Best Practices is to be followed to the line, then it should be q{ } instead of " ")	19:23
nuba	oh i searched the thread and im seeing your reply only now.	19:25
nuba	you think the escaped tag with " feature is "neither intended nor desired" ?	19:26
nuba	its funny, having to use only single-word tags sounds weird, counter-intuitive to me	19:28
@rizen	tags on almost every site in the world are single word tags	19:31
@rizen	that's why i rejected it	19:31
@rizen	however, feel free to reopen the RFE, and i'll approve it this time. i've thought about it since i closed the rfe and decided that it doesn't really hurt anything to allow multi-word keywords	19:32
nuba	it was a bug; should I reopen the bug or head for a RFE instead?	19:40
dionak	sounds like an RFE...	20:01
@rizen	rfe	20:37
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jdan	Hi, Is it any function in API to validate date before make some farther operations? I'm using setToEpoch function and if someone enter wrong date function aborts	20:54
@preaction_	"aborts"? it doesn't return undef?	20:55
jdan	In my case WebGUI reports: 2007/09/14 15:34:23 - WARN - webgui7.conf - main::[[undef]] - Couldn't call method editOfferSave on asset for url: oferty Root cause: Invalid day of month (day = 31 - month = 09) at /usr/share/perl5/DateTime/Format/Strptime.pm line 444	20:55
@preaction_	might want to use DateTime yourself then. there's a nice wrapper around it for WebGUI: WebGUI::DateTime	20:56
@preaction_	or you could trap with an eval BLOCK	20:57
jdan	I tried it but I had some problems. Of course I'll try one more.	20:59
jdan	Another question is how to use WebGUI::HTMLForm in wobect function? When I use it form is incomlet and JavaScripts not supoort pools like date.	21:00
jdan	My pools don't have popup callendars etc	21:01
@preaction_	uhm. you're going to need to give me a more specific question and an example of what you're doing, what it does, and what you want it to do	21:02
@preaction_	perlbot pastebin	21:02
perlbot	(see paste)	21:02
@preaction_	perlbot paste	21:03
perlbot	Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it.	21:03
jdan	not pool, data fileld ... sory	21:03
@preaction_	the session->style->setScript is called by the WebGUI::Form::DateTime control and gets the proper javascript it needs	21:04
jdan	I pasted my little code. See it at http://sial.org/pbot/27490	21:08
jdan	At this code I have two importand problems. First is date validation. Second is attachments display. It doesn't work the same like in operations mode.	21:09
@preaction_	date validation should happen at the javascript level, but no date calendar is popping up? are there any script errors?	21:11
@preaction_	what is "operations mode"?	21:11
jdan	For me opration mode is when I call ?op=opertion	21:13
@preaction_	what version are you running?	21:14
jdan	I think last, I'll check it	21:15
jdan	7.3.21-stable	21:16
@preaction_	the only thing i can think of for the attachments code is that you seem to be duplicating what the Image control does. it handles all the displaying and validating of attachments for you	21:18
@preaction_	and date you're going to have to eval { }	21:18
jdan	okey, I'am adding eval block	21:21
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jdan	It's little complex for me. How should I use WebGUI::DateTime in order to get data from form? When I run: $publicToDate = WebGUI::DateTime->new($session->form->process("publicToDate")); it return undef to variable	21:49
seriftron	Hi, I am having some issues importing a package into 7.5.6-beta. I get errors like "Could not set uid/gid on '/data/WebGUI/www/uploads/7P/7B/7P7BOhr303Qz7x2110miCA/thumb-headerBg.gif' for all of the files in the package. When I check the user/group permissions on the file manually, all appears to be well. The files do not appear, though. And, strangely, I can see a listing of the package's files under the version tag I try to	22:00
seriftron	import under.	22:00
seriftron	Has anyone else experienced this?	22:00
@rizen	there is no 7.5.6	22:01
seriftron	Ack - 7.4.6-beta.	22:01
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jdan	Regarding to my problems with date. I managed using $session->datetime->setToEpoch. It parses both human forms: short(without time) and long. And if date is wrong it doesn't abort wobject function.	22:04
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@rizen	seriftron: most likely it's a privileges or path problem	22:22
@rizen	usually your uploadsPath would be /data/domains/www.example.com/public/uploads	22:23
@rizen	but i see you have something iddferent	22:23
seriftron	Hmm. Where is that set?	22:23
@rizen	in your webgui config file	22:23
@rizen	the other thing could be that your "uploads" folder needs to be recursively owned by your web user, which is usually "nobody"	22:24
@preaction_	jdan, you know, if you're using a Date form control, you can just use $session->form->process("name","Date"); and it will give you the epoch time back	22:30
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jdan	preaction_, thanks. Your advice were perfect.	23:02
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nuba	rizen: i saw the rfe was accepted, cool, thx	14:55
nuba	rizen: just for the record, i was being funny in the rfe, not sarcastic	14:57
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@rizen	is there a difference?	17:55
@rizen	sarcastic is funny	17:55
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@khenn	happy day before monday	19:22
@rizen	so it is	19:22
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danny_mk	Hmmm... what is "$webguiRoot{id $self} = $webguiPath;" in Config.pm???	18:19
danny_mk	is that right?	18:19
danny_mk	I know that it is a hash, I am a little concerned about the key because I am getting errors on one of my sites.	18:20
danny_mk	it is on line 160 of Config.pm	18:21
@rizen	that's right	18:22
@rizen	did you upgrade to Config::JSON 1.1.0 or higher?	18:23
danny_mk	hold on, let me check	18:24
danny_mk	darnit, I have to stop asking questions. You always catch me with these simple errors that have to do with updates.	18:25
danny_mk	Config::JSON -- '1.0.3'	18:25
danny_mk	thanks	18:26
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dionak	quick question for anyone that can answer. I need to export data from a dataform object via command line. What's the most direct way to do this? Is there an existing command or script?	20:16
@preaction	use wget to call the appropriate URL?	20:17
@preaction	or curl?	20:17
dionak	idk...it might be easier to just access the db.	20:18
@preaction	the export URL gives you a csv doesn't it?	20:18
dionak	yes but i would need to have the script create a session and login before getting the url.	20:19
+MrHairgrease	why not write a utility script	20:20
+MrHairgrease	just instantiate the asset	20:20
+MrHairgrease	and call www_exportTab on it	20:20
dionak	that sounds appropriate.	20:20
dionak	i'll look into that. thanks.	20:20
+MrHairgrease	it returns the plain tab seperated file	20:20
+MrHairgrease	ok	20:20
dionak	that would be fine...	20:21
dionak	great! thanks MrHairgrease and preaction.	20:21
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rjacobsen	did you guys ever come out with a way to limit the things that would show up in the admin console for different user groups?	21:03
@rizen	yes...in 7.4	21:04
@rizen	under settings	21:04
rjacobsen	and allow (for example) group A to make a new page	21:04
rjacobsen	but group B could not do anything	21:04
+MrHairgrease	that would be asset privs	21:05
+MrHairgrease	those are in the conf file	21:05
@rizen	not to mention the security tab in each asset	21:05
rjacobsen	yikes	21:05
+MrHairgrease	security tab?	21:05
+MrHairgrease	those settings would set who can change an asset right?	21:06
rjacobsen	i have a group and all i want to allow them to do is to create a new web page, import images(file pile)	21:06
+MrHairgrease	not who can create new instances	21:06
rjacobsen	and i would like to limit what they see in the admin console to add a new page	21:07
rjacobsen	and file pile	21:07
+MrHairgrease	you should be able to set that in the conf file	21:07
+MrHairgrease	check out the default file that comes with webgui	21:07
+MrHairgrease	i think it's socumented there	21:08
+MrHairgrease	s/s/d/	21:08
rjacobsen	i have to get with my it for that i guess	21:09
rjacobsen	i wish they would implement the change i asked for :(	21:09
rjacobsen	where when you select a group in webgui, it would bring up a list of admin console items and you could put a check next to the ones you want displayed	21:10
rjacobsen	would make running multiple site and multiple groups very easy to manage	21:11
+MrHairgrease	you should make that an rfe	21:12
+MrHairgrease	i you haven't already	21:12
rjacobsen	i have	21:13
rjacobsen	twice	21:13
+MrHairgrease	=)	21:13
rjacobsen	and was told (by email) that it was implimented 3 patches ago	21:13
rjacobsen	and ......it has not	21:13
+MrHairgrease	ok	21:14
+MrHairgrease	i cannot comment on that	21:14
+MrHairgrease	nor do i want to	21:14
rjacobsen	lol	21:14
+MrHairgrease	i have no idea about the ins and outs	21:14
+MrHairgrease	i'm just hip, fashionable eurotrash with loads of sex appeal =)	21:14
rjacobsen	umm..... O K	21:15
+MrHairgrease	perlbot MrHairgrease	21:22
perlbot	Martin Kamerbeek, aka MrCookingGrease, aka Eurotrash with sex appeal, and is a Contributor of the Year	21:22
+MrHairgrease	see? =)	21:22
dionak	lol	21:28
+crythia1	hee	21:29
+crythia1	perlbot crythias	21:30
+crythia1	whew	21:30
@preaction_	rjacobsen, your RFE was implemented in 7.4. In the Settings tab under the Admin console you can pick what group can see what Admin function. none of the Asset functions are affected by this though	21:39
@preaction_	there's a new tab on the settings screen called Permissions	21:40
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rjacobsen	ok when will stable 7.4 be released? my IT guy refuses to update from 7.3.22 until the 7.4 stable is released :(	23:18
@preaction_	from all reports: this week	23:18
@preaction_	if something bad wrong happens, next	23:18
rjacobsen	ok cool	23:19
rjacobsen	thank you	23:19
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xootom	With one of two sites on my codebase, when I try and import a package, the log contains: Could not set uid/gid on... for every file, though the file has been uploaded and extracted. Looks like someone else had this problem with 7.3.18, and the only other reference Google returns is directly to Archive::Tar. Could it be the filesystem?	00:03
+MrHairgrease	I've seen the same thing, but upon inspection the uid/gid were set	00:25
+MrHairgrease	and everything worked	00:25
+MrHairgrease	so I guess it's not a biggie	00:25
+MrHairgrease	rizen	00:26
+MrHairgrease	when you said that I could add the import collateral data thingy	00:26
+MrHairgrease	did you mean right now?	00:26
+MrHairgrease	or should I wait for the 7.5 dev cycle?	00:26
@rizen	you can add it now as long as you're willing to test it very well. only a very small population of users actually use packages, so i don't think it will hurt much	00:27
+MrHairgrease	ok	00:27
+MrHairgrease	it's a very pailess procedure	00:28
+MrHairgrease	painless	00:28
+MrHairgrease	it'll take only a couple of lines	00:29
@rizen	any aussie's online today?	00:35
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xootom	MrHairgrease - yeah it seems to work just nothing appears in the asset tree	00:46
+MrHairgrease	oh	00:47
+MrHairgrease	which version are you on?	00:47
+MrHairgrease	You'll prolly get errors concerning JSON::NoString in your logs as well rigt?	00:47
xootom	7.4.6, umm no other errors really, and my main site on the same wre is fine	00:49
+MrHairgrease	hmm	00:51
+MrHairgrease	that bug was fixed in 7.4.6	00:51
+MrHairgrease	dunno then	00:51
xootom	not to worry it's only a hobby site	00:51
+MrHairgrease	i'm tsting importing packages too	00:51
+MrHairgrease	when i find something	00:52
+MrHairgrease	i'll let you know	00:52
xootom	ok thanks :)	00:52
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@preaction_	webgui has ads out on google adsense?	02:57
* preaction_ just ran across one		02:57
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xdanger	hmm... I'm importing data through a script but every asset I create has it's own versionTag. Can someone help?	08:12
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@preaction_	xdanger, pastebin your code somewhere?	09:02
@preaction_	are you committing your version tag?	09:02
@preaction_	are you skipping the autocommit workflows?	09:02
xdanger	I just found out about "skipAutoCommitWorkflows"	09:03
xdanger	on addChild	09:03
@preaction_	they only happen on Post/Thread, WikiPage, or Event objects currently	09:03
xdanger	it's threads i'm importing	09:04
xdanger	wohoo... It works... kinda	09:04
xdanger	urls are not that hot...	09:05
@preaction_	kinda?	09:05
@preaction_	when using the API to import data, nothing gets done for you	09:05
xdanger	It doesn't do any of the automatic Thread stuff... like urls, menutitles or like that	09:05
@preaction_	so you have to make your own url, probably using $session->url->urlize( parenturl . menuTitle )	09:05
xdanger	but that's where edit branch comes handy ;)	09:06
@preaction_	or that	09:06
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xdanger	it takes a long time to commit 4000 new threads =)	10:52
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MrHairgreas1	no here's a fun bug	20:08
MrHairgreas1	if you set some asset's edit group to group X	20:08
MrHairgreas1	and after that you delete group X	20:08
MrHairgreas1	you won't be able to do anything with it anymore	20:08
MrHairgreas1	since canEdit will always be false	20:08
MrHairgreas1	unless you're the owner I think	20:09
MrHairgreas1	the reason for this is that WebGUI::Group->new doesn't check if the groupId is actually valid	20:09
MrHairgreas1	and will happily instantiate a new wg::group object	20:10
MrHairgreas1	what i did to fix it is this	20:10
MrHairgreas1	let wg::Group->new check if the groupid is valid	20:10