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| Radix-europe | Greetings from Prague | 00:19 |
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| Radix-europe | YAPC finished yesterday.. was fun, though I didn't really learn much perl from it.. most of it went woosh over my head. Still.. I scored a Learning Perl book to take home and got it signed by Larry Wall, so that'll help me :) | 00:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Hey Jesse | 22:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | how's the eurotrip going? | 22:30 |
| Radix-europe | Hey Martin | 22:30 |
| Radix-europe | going well | 22:30 |
| Radix-europe | In Prague atm, off to Berlin tomorrow | 22:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | I thought it was was yapc this weekend. | 22:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | but aparently it's not =) | 22:31 |
| Radix-europe | YAPC::Europe was fun, though most of it went over my head, but I scored a copy of Learning Perl and got it signed by Larry Wall, so I'm happy :) | 22:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | cool | 22:32 |
| Radix-europe | YAPC was from Tues-Thurs | 22:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh ok | 22:32 |
| Radix-europe | We caught a train to Prague the day after it | 22:32 |
| Radix-europe | and head off again tomorrow | 22:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | how's prague? | 22:33 |
| Radix-europe | got three days in Berlin to see the place, then we're off to Belgium after that it looks like | 22:33 |
| Radix-europe | Prague is fun, nice cheap beer and has a fun atmosphere | 22:33 |
| Radix-europe | We went and saw a couple of castles today and did a city tour | 22:33 |
| Radix-europe | it's cheaper to buy a half litre of beer than it is to buy 250ml of juice | 22:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | heh | 22:35 |
| Radix-europe | 50cl is less than 1 euro to buy | 22:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 22:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's the spirit | 22:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | so I've heard from some friends of mine | 22:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | who've been there | 22:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | aparently beer's even cheaper outside of prague | 22:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's insane | 22:36 |
| Radix-europe | though you have to be careful. don't buy beer out in stare mesto with a view.. you pay twice the price | 22:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | omg | 22:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | 2 euros for a pint | 22:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's still cheap | 22:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 22:36 |
| Radix-europe | if you order a beer in the garden out the back, it's 24kc - if you buy it out front it's 65kc | 22:36 |
| Radix-europe | you literally pay for the view ;) | 22:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | pay per view | 22:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's the future trhey say | 22:36 |
| Radix-europe | heh | 22:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 22:37 |
| Radix-europe | Did I send you our blog url? | 22:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 22:38 |
| Radix-europe | jesseandyumi.blogspot.com | 22:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | thanks | 22:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll check it out | 22:39 |
| Radix-europe | Got photos up to first day in vienna so far up | 22:39 |
| Radix-europe | I didn't get much of YAPC tho.. didn't take my camera along | 22:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | too bad | 22:40 |
| Radix-europe | you can find them all on flickr from other ppl tho.. search for the tag yapceu07 | 22:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | i was really longing for photo's of flocking men with beards and sandals =) | 22:41 |
| Radix-europe | I know.. that's why I thought you'd like that tag :) | 22:41 |
| Radix-europe | hehe | 22:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://flickr.com/photos/maddingue/1280150410/ | 22:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | i think that's even a low estimate =) | 22:44 |
| Radix-europe | hehe.. that was a funny talk that one | 22:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 22:45 |
| Radix-europe | he used 95% for everything | 22:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | that would be my guess too | 22:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | heh | 22:45 |
| Radix-europe | including 95% of statistics are made up | 22:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 22:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | are the talks available onliune somewhere | 22:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | that you know of | 22:46 |
| Radix-europe | Umm.. each speaker seemed to have their own place to put their slides I found | 22:46 |
| Radix-europe | I wrote down a few addresses in my notebook | 22:46 |
| Radix-europe | and every one of them is in a different location | 22:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm | 22:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh well | 22:47 |
| Radix-europe | One talk that was interesting | 22:47 |
| Radix-europe | Some guy has created another content management system like webgui - he's way behind technology wise it looked like, but he's doing it solely by himself - called Spine | 22:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3828282759372324573 | 22:48 |
| Radix-europe | he said he'd heard of WebGUI, but never tried it | 22:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | it is the yapc::Asia though | 22:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | but the same guy | 22:49 |
| Radix-europe | same talk tho | 22:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | indeed | 22:49 |
| Radix-europe | his talk was still in japanese | 22:49 |
| Radix-europe | but with english subtitles :) | 22:49 |
| Radix-europe | the arm wrestle with damian conway was funny | 22:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | you armwrestled damian conway? | 22:50 |
| Radix-europe | lol.. sif | 22:50 |
| Radix-europe | nah.. one of the other guys did for the auction at the end | 22:50 |
| Radix-europe | thomas klausner | 22:50 |
| Radix-europe | they even did it shirtless | 22:51 |
| Radix-europe | the auction at the end was crazy | 22:51 |
| Radix-europe | the next yapc is in copenhagen, so they decided to auction off the guys from copenhagen to do something. | 22:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://youtube.com/watch?v=QDK4FdbsySI | 22:52 |
| Radix-europe | they decided that it was going to be a tattoo.. and the decision in the end was to get them all to put swedish flag tattoos on their forehead | 22:52 |
| Radix-europe | that they have to wear for the next yapc | 22:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | copenhagen | 22:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | cool | 22:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe i'll go | 22:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | never been there | 22:53 |
| Radix-europe | Well I'm off to bed.. keep checking the blog.. we'll be putting up more photos and blog entries as we go :) | 22:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 22:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | will do | 22:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | have a good trip | 22:57 |
| Radix-europe | Will do :) | 22:57 |
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| xootom | hi all, does anyone know how to send private messages in wg? my site doesn't show the send private message link in user profiles like webgui.org :S | 21:22 |
| @preaction | give me a minute and i'll find it | 21:34 |
| @preaction | ?op=sendPrivateMessage | 21:36 |
| @preaction | you'll need a uid too | 21:36 |
| xootom | ah so it's not built into the user profile, is there a user profile template? | 21:42 |
| xootom | i'm sure i read it wasn't yet | 21:42 |
| @preaction | no, profile isn't templatable yet | 21:42 |
| xootom | i wonder how that works on webgui.org | 21:43 |
| @preaction | i can find out | 21:43 |
| xootom | yeah that'd be useful, thanks. do you know what the roadmap is for things like 'whos online' lists, chat, friends lists etc, is it documented publicly? | 21:44 |
| @preaction | chat is being written by danny_mk from here, friends is apparently implemented in 7.5, who's online is possible with a rather simple macro (using active sessions and a single argument specifying the length of time to consider one active) | 21:45 |
| xootom | great, thanks! | 21:46 |
| @preaction | we've got a little pow-wow to get ready for the WUC, so i've got a week in which i get to be bored out of my mind. i'll make that macro and try to get JT's approval for 7.5 | 21:46 |
| @preaction | it looks like it's built-in to the profile code, there must be a flag for "Allow private messages" or something | 21:46 |
| @preaction | there is, there's a profile field called "allowPrivateMessages" | 21:47 |
| xootom | yes, such a switch is in edit profile, as you can make the profile hidden and private messages possible | 21:47 |
| xootom | yes, per-user | 21:47 |
| @preaction | if that switch is on, you get the Send Private Message link at the bottom of the profile | 21:48 |
| xootom | i've enabled those for my account and from other accounts there isn't the link, though they can see my profile | 21:48 |
| @preaction | okay, that's weir | 21:48 |
| xootom | hiding email address flag works, and hiding profile | 21:49 |
| @preaction | if you look at line 308 of lib/WebGUI/Operation/Profile.pm it should add the link for the sendPrivateMessage link | 21:50 |
| xootom | my line 308 is return $session->style->userStyle(WebGUI::Asset::Template->new($session,"PBtmpl0000000000000052")->process($vars)); | 21:54 |
| @preaction | above that do you see an if ($session->user->userId eq $session->form->process("uid")) { | 21:55 |
| @preaction | with an else { block? | 21:55 |
| xootom | it doesn't have an else block, the if just looks like it's showing account options | 21:55 |
| @preaction | what version are you using? | 21:56 |
| xootom | 7.4.5 | 21:56 |
| @preaction | yeah, looks like JT fixed that for 7.4.6 | 21:57 |
| @preaction | i send send you a link to a diff | 21:57 |
| xootom | ahhh ok, great | 21:57 |
| @preaction | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/diff/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Profile.pm?rev1=4627;rev2=4628;mime=text/plain | 21:58 |
| xootom | thanks | 21:58 |
| xootom | that did the trick, thanks! it won't break the upgrade to 7.4.6 will it? | 22:05 |
| @preaction | no, the upgrade to 7.4.6 will replace that code with that code | 22:05 |
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| +MrHairgrease | wow | 20:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | the new wre is awesome | 20:53 |
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| knowmad | Is there a method to get the userId if I only have a username? | 14:56 |
| AMH_henry | $u = WebGUI::User->newByUsername($session, $username); | 14:57 |
| knowmad | is that a new object or does it create a new user in the db? | 15:01 |
| knowmad | it's a bit misleading | 15:01 |
| AMH_henry | Instanciates a user by username. Returns undef if the username could not be found. | 15:01 |
| AMH_henry | Visitor may not be looked up with this method. | 15:01 |
| AMH_henry | from the documentation :) | 15:02 |
| knowmad | thanks! | 15:02 |
| AMH_henry | yw | 15:02 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hi | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | preaction | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | do you know if the tmpl_var session.isVisitor | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | is available in the navigation template? | 17:26 |
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| sno | Why does WebGUI::FormProcessor::date("recruitStartDate"); return a value but WebGUI::FormProcessor::text("recruitDepartment"); gives undefined on a valid vorm with these values populated? | 19:00 |
| sno | "valid form" | 19:00 |
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| elnino | hello. | 21:49 |
| elnino | apparantly, there is a new "feature" in the upgrade I installed that messed up what I was trying to do, so I'm trying to find an alternative. | 21:49 |
| elnino | I was putting html in the menutitle field to differenciate some menu items. 7.3.22 strips out all html. is this a bug or "feature"? | 21:50 |
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| elnino | is there a way I can put html in the menu title field? where would the code be? 7.2.1 used to let me do this, and 7.3.22 is stripping it out. I need ot be able to have html in the menutitle field. | 22:32 |
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| ckotil | can we resize dashboard items yet? | 00:02 |
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| xootom | ckotil, what do you mean resize dashboard items? | 00:32 |
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| ckotil | xootom: when you add a new item to your dashboard, you cant change the dimensiions of the 'widget' | 15:39 |
| ckotil | at least in version 7.3.22 | 15:40 |
| xootom | same as if the item appears anywhere else though, how do you see it working? | 15:40 |
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| ckotil | zoom/pan/scaling/resizing ;-) | 16:10 |
| ckotil | I just feel so locked down and constrained being unable to resize the widgets | 16:10 |
| ckotil | i spent some time yesterday examining whether or not I could leverage the dashboard asset for use as a customer portal. we have lots of small tools that customers use on a daily basis. to have the wrapped up nicely in a dashboard would be ideal. | 16:11 |
| ckotil | but none of the tools would fit in the small confines of the widget. they are long enough, but not wide enough. | 16:12 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:14 |
| xootom | could you edit the template and add a fourth column (not sure if it's constrained to use 3 though) | 16:17 |
| xootom | hi SDuensin | 16:17 |
| SDuensin | Hey xootom | 16:17 |
| xootom | ckotil, with 7.3.22 are you finding that new users get a blank dashboard? | 16:19 |
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| ckotil | i didnt try viewing the dash w/ another user. | 16:40 |
| ckotil | ill give it a shot. | 16:40 |
| ckotil | it is blank, but the assets are available for the user to add from the content list. | 17:07 |
| xootom | yeah same here, it doesn't take on the default look | 17:15 |
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| ckotil | i think thats by design tho | 19:42 |
| ckotil | a default setup might be a good feature tho | 19:42 |
| ckotil | opera works quite well with webgui :) | 19:43 |
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| professorfrink_ | i'm building a site in 7.3.22, and i keep running into a couple of weird problems with the control buttons and the admin bar | 21:52 |
| professorfrink_ | it's stacking all the buttons in the page and in the content manager's RFE | 21:52 |
| professorfrink_ | and not displaying text, only icons in the admin bar | 21:52 |
| professorfrink_ | has anyone else seen this? | 21:53 |
| xdanger | which browser? | 22:35 |
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| professorfrink_ | i'm using firefox 2.0, but it's happening in every browser i've tried | 23:15 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:35 |
| xootom | hi! | 16:42 |
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| rjacobsen | good morning - i have found a bug in webgui and no way around it - when I put the company name in the "Company Name" section of the "Settings" in the "Admin Console" it will not accept a single quote.... if i put in (for example) Granny Pooh's Corner - it always puts in double quote rather than single quote..... any way around this? | 16:21 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:48 |
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| rjacobsen | good morning - i have found a bug in webgui and no way around it - when I put the company name in the "Company Name" section of the "Settings" in the "Admin Console" it will not accept a single quote.... if i put in (for example) Granny Pooh's Corner - it always puts in double quote rather than single quote..... any way around this? | 16:56 |
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| @rizen | bug -- | 18:03 |
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| elnino | hello. I recently upgraded to 7.3.22 and I had html tags in some of my menu title fields, and they are now being filtered out. Is there any code I can modify so that webgui wil keep the html code in that field? | 18:06 |
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| xootom | can anyone from pb tell me the difference between the level of support offered with the supported hosting package @ 50 per month that includes unlimited web-based support, and the 1000 per year online support? | 18:11 |
| @rizen | there is really no difference | 18:14 |
| @rizen | it's just that if you're hosting with us, you aren't going to ask as many questions cuz we take care of the environment for you | 18:14 |
| @rizen | the online support is for people who don't host with us | 18:15 |
| elnino | is there any incentive for recommending you as a hosting company to a friend/company? | 18:16 |
| xootom | i'm thinking of using the supported hosting for a dev/test area, as our main server is now production so it'd be a good place to ensure updates work before hitting live, without having to 'waste a box' here and keep it up to date, would that scenario be ok? | 18:17 |
| @rizen | yup, you know that they're going to get the best webgui hosting available. =) | 18:18 |
| @rizen | we don't allow custom code or ssh access on our virtual hosting accounts | 18:19 |
| @rizen | we have unsupported dev servers available for that purpose for $150 per month though | 18:19 |
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| rjacobsen | good morning | 18:21 |
| rjacobsen | why cant i type in here? | 18:21 |
| @preaction | i don't know? can't you? | 18:21 |
| rjacobsen | i guess i got it workin niow | 18:21 |
| rjacobsen | now | 18:21 |
| rjacobsen | did anyone see what i typed above about the settings in webgui? | 18:22 |
| @preaction | no, it was probably too long | 18:22 |
| rjacobsen | if not ill paste it in again.... | 18:22 |
| @preaction | paste != type | 18:22 |
| rjacobsen | ok well the long and short of it is... | 18:22 |
| xootom | ahh so not able to put own macros on shared hosting, what about non-standard tables to use with sql reports? | 18:23 |
| rjacobsen | for some reason if i type Kid's in the Company Name slot in settings it displays Kid"s (with double quotes) on the home page | 18:23 |
| rjacobsen | why is it displaying the single quotes as double quotes and is there a fix? | 18:24 |
| elnino | hello I had html tags in some of my asset's menu title. I recently upgraded to 7.3.22 and and now they are being filtered out (they weren't before). Is there any code I can modify so that webgui will keep the html code in that field? | 18:26 |
| @rizen | bug -- | 18:36 |
| elnino | it's a bug? | 18:36 |
| @rizen | bug -- | 18:37 |
| @rizen | no, i'm not talking to you elninio | 18:37 |
| elnino | oh. =) | 18:37 |
| @rizen | as i've stated previously, i don't provide support here, so i can't comment on your question | 18:37 |
| elnino | are you talking to me now? | 18:38 |
| rjacobsen | rizen is there any work around for this bug? | 18:38 |
| @rizen | i have no idea what you're talking about rjacobson | 18:38 |
| elnino | i'm so confused. =) | 18:39 |
| rjacobsen | ok for some reason when i put a company name in the settings box in webgui and it has a single quote in the company name it changes the single quote to double quote when it displays the company name | 18:40 |
| rjacobsen | did you see all that? | 18:40 |
| @rizen | i saw that, but as i just told elnino, i don't provide support here | 18:40 |
| @rizen | if someone else wants to answer you that's fine, but not me | 18:40 |
| rjacobsen | it is a bug in webgui - a sql query is not being escaped in the webgui code - so who can fix it? | 18:41 |
| @rizen | how about you submit it to the bug list like everyone else http://webgui.org/bugs | 18:41 |
| elnino | rjacobsen - I'd would submit a bug report on webgui's site. | 18:41 |
| rjacobsen | and wait 3 months...... i have customers down my throat now that their company name is not displaying right | 18:42 |
| rjacobsen | kinda a big thing since webgui uses what the customer puts in the company name box of webgui for title of the website | 18:43 |
| @rizen | phone support includes priority bug fixes | 18:43 |
| rjacobsen | this is not something i should have to pay to fix since it is obviously something in the webgui coding that is broken | 18:44 |
| rjacobsen | unless your willing to give access to webgui code.... | 18:45 |
| rjacobsen | only way you could actually charge for this problem is if i actually had access to the code to modify it | 18:45 |
| @preaction | rjacobsen, you have access to the webgui code, make a patch and submit it? | 18:45 |
| @rizen | you're not paying for us to fix it | 18:45 |
| @preaction | webgui is free, open source under the GPL | 18:45 |
| @rizen | you're paying us to put it a tthe top of our priority list | 18:45 |
| elnino | rjacobsen- are you being hosted by plainblack? | 18:45 |
| @preaction | plainblack runs the same version of webgui as is released on webgui.org | 18:46 |
| rjacobsen | why is this becoming a big problem? it takes 2 seconds to open the code, escape the sql query, and close the code | 18:46 |
| rjacobsen | bug fixed | 18:46 |
| @preaction | post a bug, follow the process. we're fixing bugs today. | 18:46 |
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| diakopter | rjacobsen: graham fixed that two weeks ago: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/diff/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm?rev1=4616;rev2=4617 | 19:10 |
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| sanyock | Hi All, please let me know to whom it is better to contact for submitting small patches for issues like: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/not-able-to-call-stored-procedures-from-94sql-macro/1 | 19:53 |
| sanyock | if a patch is done according to http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/subversion | 19:55 |
| @rizen | if you submit the patch as an RFE, it will be added to the next dev cycle | 19:55 |
| @rizen | submitting it as a bug means that it will go into the current stable, and we don't allow new features in the current stable | 19:55 |
| sanyock | did you split SVN into two branches? | 19:56 |
| sanyock | stable and beta? | 19:56 |
| @rizen | 7.5 hasn't been branched yet | 19:56 |
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| sanyock | would a patch for stored procedures be accepted, do you have any policy on usefulness of feature to be included ? | 20:00 |
| @rizen | if i tested it and it worked, it would be allowed | 20:00 |
| @rizen | stored procedures are generically useful to lots of people | 20:00 |
| sanyock | thanks | 20:00 |
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| sanyock | what is preferred development environment of WebGUI developers? For example java people use eclipse | 20:04 |
| @rizen | most use vim | 20:04 |
| @rizen | most don't use an ide | 20:05 |
| sanyock | :) | 20:05 |
| * sanyock prefers nano | 20:05 | |
| sanyock | how about debugging, sure stored proc issue does not need it but for other things it may be needed | 20:05 |
| @rizen | as long as you conform to the best practices, you may use whatever you like | 20:06 |
| sanyock | I just wonder to save time on selection | 20:06 |
| @rizen | you know how to put webgui into debug mode, right? | 20:06 |
| sanyock | only for SQL reports | 20:06 |
| @rizen | admin console > settings > miscellaneous > show debug | 20:07 |
| sanyock | I saw it but did not try yet | 20:07 |
| elnino | I recently upgraded to 7.3.22 and I had html tags in some of my menu title fields, and they are now being filtered out. is this a bug or was it intended? | 20:56 |
| @rizen | bug -- | 21:04 |
| @rizen | bug -- | 21:04 |
| @rizen | bug -- | 21:04 |
| @rizen | bug -- | 21:07 |
| elnino | I'm assuming you're talking to me this time? =) | 21:09 |
| @rizen | bug -- | 21:11 |
| @rizen | bug -- has nothing to do with you | 21:11 |
| @rizen | it means a bug has been fixed | 21:11 |
| @rizen | it's not directed AT anyone | 21:11 |
| @rizen | just FYI | 21:11 |
| elnino | oh. now I get it. I'm very glad you are squashing a bunch of bugs today. Good job! | 21:12 |
| @rizen | bug -- | 21:24 |
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| @rizen | bug -- | 21:28 |
| elnino | hi. I'm still wondering if stripping html from an assets menutitle is intentional or a bug. | 21:38 |
| @rizen | intentional | 21:38 |
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| elnino | if it's intentional, can you point me to the pm file that I may modify to remove this? It used to work in 7.2.1 and it was a bit of a surprise when it was changed. | 21:54 |
| @rizen | i'm afraid not | 21:55 |
| @rizen | bug -- | 21:55 |
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| elnino | ok, then can you suggest an alternative method in stylizing the menu title independantly from the stucture of the site? | 22:01 |
| @rizen | i don't provide support here | 22:02 |
| ckotil | does webgui support ldaps? | 22:11 |
| @rizen | not currently | 22:11 |
| @rizen | you have to use it over stunnel | 22:11 |
| @rizen | if you want it encrypted | 22:11 |
| ckotil | ya. i do that for my db connection now. | 22:11 |
| ckotil | do you have a timeframe in mind for ldaps? | 22:12 |
| @rizen | nope...it's in the RFE list i think | 22:12 |
| ckotil | kthx. | 22:12 |
| ckotil | its kind of obscure, but its there. http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/ldap2 | 22:19 |
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| @rizen | bug -- | 22:53 |
| @rizen | bug -- | 22:53 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hi | 18:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | so i have this weird behaviour | 18:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | and i'm wondering if you've seen it too | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | what happens is that all of a sudden saving a snippet will blow up apache | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | getting it to use 99.9% cpu | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | before it saved easily | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | now the weird thing comes | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | the former save was done with firefox | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | so i tried with opera | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | nothing wrong | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | the snippet saves no infinite loop | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | i clear everything in firefox (cookies, cache, etc) even close it and start it again | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | try to save that snippet once again | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | bam, the server blows up | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | other snippets work fine | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | opera also still saves correctly | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | so i decide to use opera to save that particular asset for the time being | 18:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | now the even weirder part comes | 18:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | after a number of saves using opera the server blows up again | 18:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | but currently it's working again under firefox. | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | I cannot figure out what's triggering it | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's on 7.4.2 | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | anybody seen this behaviour too? | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | I've seen it happen on my laptop, my colleague's iBook and Arjan has seen it too. | 18:32 |
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| SDuensin | Welcome to Monday. | 16:08 |
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| +MrHairgrease | rizen | 23:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | or someone else | 23:07 |
| @rizen | mhg | 23:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | a quick question | 23:07 |
| @rizen | yes, i know your mom works that street corner | 23:07 |
| @rizen | but my girls gotta eat too | 23:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | is it possible to make a nav containing previous/next page links relative to the current page | 23:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | next and previous would be the sibling next to the current page | 23:08 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i need to know for my wuc presentation | 23:08 |
| @rizen | not any way i can think of using the current variables | 23:09 |
| @rizen | well...i guess you could load all the data into a javascript structure | 23:10 |
| @rizen | and then you'd know whether there was a prev / next page | 23:10 |
| @rizen | for the current page | 23:10 |
| @rizen | because you could check array lengths and such | 23:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 23:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | that crossed my mind too | 23:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh well | 23:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | javascript would be good for acme i guess | 23:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | thanks | 23:11 |
| @rizen | np | 23:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the javascript thingy did the trick btw | 00:06 |
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| @preaction | does anyone think people would be interested in a patch to switch to graphics magic in 7.3.22? | 01:41 |
| @preaction | and/or a small shell script to translate custom code to use graphics magic? | 01:41 |
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| wgGuest63 | hello everyone! | 03:23 |
| wgGuest63 | I have a question for you all . . . | 03:23 |
| wgGuest63 | has anyone in here used webgui for a school or university? | 03:26 |
| rizen_ | dozens of our clients are universities and schools | 03:26 |
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| @rizen | the 8th and 9th largest school districts in the US use WebGUI (Philadelphia School District and the Hawaii Department of Education) | 03:28 |
| wgGuest63 | excellent | 03:30 |
| wgGuest63 | I'm the network administrator and helpdesk manager for our college in Chicago, IL | 03:31 |
| @rizen | Cool. | 03:31 |
| wgGuest63 | and we currently have a unix server running Fedora 7 with the basic public_html directories | 03:31 |
| wgGuest63 | nothing fancy | 03:31 |
| wgGuest63 | www.site.com/~username | 03:31 |
| wgGuest63 | but a small % of instructors use this | 03:32 |
| wgGuest63 | and webgui seems like it will make everyone's life easier | 03:32 |
| wgGuest63 | but | 03:32 |
| wgGuest63 | as far as transitioing goes, . . . what are the URL's for a user that, . . let say registers and builds a page? | 03:33 |
| @rizen | Well, that's up to you, because a user doesn't get a page unless you as an admin gives it to them | 03:33 |
| wgGuest63 | would I need to install this on a separate server and call it http://faculty.xxx.xxx.edu | 03:34 |
| @rizen | You can do that a couple different ways | 03:34 |
| wgGuest63 | hmm | 03:34 |
| @rizen | You can either do it manually | 03:34 |
| wgGuest63 | well, . . . whats the most common way you've seen it done | 03:34 |
| @rizen | or automated | 03:34 |
| wgGuest63 | when a user registers for an account on www.domain.com | 03:34 |
| wgGuest63 | is the user's site www.domain.com/user, etc? | 03:35 |
| wgGuest63 | I'm trying to get a better sense of how this works | 03:35 |
| wgGuest63 | and as a matter of fact | 03:35 |
| @rizen | Usually the admins I know do it manually because individual users don't get pages, it's departments that get pages, and then a department manager hands out pages to individuals if necessary | 03:35 |
| @rizen | the url can be basically whatever you want, but generally speaking it would be something like | 03:35 |
| @rizen | domain.com/faculty/username | 03:35 |
| @rizen | or faculty.domain.com/username would work fine too | 03:36 |
| wgGuest63 | the only downside I see right now is that I need to put this on a separate server | 03:36 |
| @rizen | some people set up a workflow that will automatically create a user's page and assign rights when the user is created | 03:36 |
| @rizen | fyi, webgui has a built in workflow engine to automate such tasks | 03:37 |
| wgGuest63 | only because I'm thinking about using our main campus webserver with the Joomla CMS! | 03:37 |
| wgGuest63 | because we have scrict guidelines in terms of our corporate image | 03:37 |
| wgGuest63 | so I'm designing a template for it | 03:37 |
| wgGuest63 | but we do have faculty homepages that students visit for course syllabi and whatnot | 03:37 |
| @rizen | why would you go joomla for the main site and webgui for these substes? | 03:37 |
| @rizen | instead of webgui everywhere? | 03:37 |
| wgGuest63 | well, I could | 03:38 |
| wgGuest63 | but I would need to learn how to customize my current website to look exactly as is with webgui | 03:38 |
| wgGuest63 | do you want to see our current page? | 03:38 |
| @rizen | sure | 03:38 |
| wgGuest63 | remember, this is a corporate theme, so I can't modify it that much | 03:38 |
| @rizen | there's a book that can help you wiht that | 03:39 |
| wgGuest63 | I need to design it so it looks lamost identical | 03:39 |
| wgGuest63 | http://www.dpg.devry.edu | 03:39 |
| @rizen | https://www.plainblack.com/store/services/books2/webgui-designers-guide | 03:39 |
| wgGuest63 | Joomla has some great template designs that would fit my needs | 03:39 |
| wgGuest63 | and then webgui would be great for faculty | 03:39 |
| @rizen | webgui could do that design quite easily | 03:40 |
| @rizen | for that matter, i've never seen a design that webgui can't do | 03:40 |
| wgGuest63 | the faculty webpage is a separate entity, and faculty would love the webgui interface and functionality | 03:40 |
| wgGuest63 | however, according to the webui FAQ, I can't coexist apache and mysql on the same server as webgui? | 03:41 |
| wgGuest63 | I didnt quite understand that | 03:41 |
| @rizen | actually you can | 03:41 |
| @rizen | could you point me to the faq that says that? | 03:41 |
| wgGuest63 | http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/wre-installation | 03:43 |
| wgGuest63 | Down the page it says make sure apache is not running at sstartup and make sure apache and mysql are not running during install | 03:43 |
| @rizen | ic that's not an faq, but a wiki page | 03:43 |
| @rizen | and the reason that it's saying that is that the WRE comes with it's own apache and MySQL built in | 03:44 |
| @rizen | so you don't need your own mysql and apache | 03:44 |
| wgGuest63 | ahhh | 03:44 |
| wgGuest63 | thats what I thought | 03:44 |
| wgGuest63 | hmmm | 03:44 |
| wgGuest63 | I am going to install it on my play server | 03:45 |
| wgGuest63 | but webgui matches perfectly for our faculty | 03:45 |
| wgGuest63 | and the install seems straight forward | 03:46 |
| @rizen | Incidentally you're not the only college down there running WebGUI | 03:46 |
| @rizen | University of Illinois Chicago already runs WebGUI | 03:46 |
| @rizen | at the Library, and a few other departments | 03:46 |
| @rizen | And so does Wheaton College Library | 03:47 |
| wgGuest63 | nice | 03:47 |
| wgGuest63 | if I have any questions with the install | 03:47 |
| wgGuest63 | can I ask? | 03:47 |
| @rizen | you can certainly ask, but i'm afraid we charge for support...others here though will probably help you for free | 03:48 |
| wgGuest63 | thats fine | 03:50 |
| wgGuest63 | the instructions seem straight forward | 03:50 |
| wgGuest63 | thanks again for your input | 03:50 |
| @rizen | np | 03:52 |
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| wgGuest63 | where do you put the US/Central time zone setting in the rc.webgui file? | 04:34 |
| wgGuest63 | how would you handle this config settikng? | 04:34 |
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| @preaction | wgGuest63, you need to alter the Visitor user's profile | 05:11 |
| @preaction | nothing to do with rc.webgui | 05:11 |
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| wgGuest63 | anyone have problems with AWSTATS? | 06:33 |
| wgGuest63 | I have the system installed | 06:33 |
| wgGuest63 | but struggling to get the homepage loaded | 06:33 |
| wgGuest63 | it continues to complain about the awstats config file | 06:34 |
| wgGuest63 | unfortunately, I can't seem to figure this one out | 06:34 |
| @rizen | mv all of the stats related files out of /data/wre/etc until you have your first working site | 06:40 |
| @rizen | screw around with stats later | 06:40 |
| wgGuest63 | argh! | 06:50 |
| wgGuest63 | I know I'm close here | 06:50 |
| wgGuest63 | but I moved all the files out of the /data/wre/etc directory to a backup dir and still no go | 06:51 |
| wgGuest63 | it still complains about the awstats config | 06:51 |
| wgGuest63 | should I re-install again without the awstats option? | 06:51 |
| wgGuest63 | I don't get why its not workingyet | 06:52 |
| wgGuest63 | I've installed this almost 10 times | 06:54 |
| wgGuest63 | and everything seems to install flawlessl | 06:54 |
| wgGuest63 | will try again | 06:59 |
| @rizen | don't know what to tell you...don't have any quick and dirty help | 06:59 |
| @rizen | if you follow the instructions to the letter | 07:00 |
| @rizen | it should "just work" | 07:00 |
| wgGuest63 | I probably missed something | 07:00 |
| wgGuest63 | I'm going to try it again | 07:00 |
| @rizen | if you want you could try the new technology preview WRE 0.8 | 07:00 |
| wgGuest63 | very true | 07:01 |
| @rizen | http://www.plainblack.com/downloads/builds/wre/ | 07:01 |
| wgGuest63 | thanks | 07:01 |
| wgGuest63 | I'll try the stable first | 07:01 |
| @rizen | comment out line 41 of wreconsole.pl | 07:01 |
| wgGuest63 | when I run the addsite command on the last step, . .. is that the admin site? | 07:01 |
| @rizen | there is no admin site | 07:01 |
| @rizen | each site is a fully functioning version of webgui | 07:02 |
| wgGuest63 | hmm | 07:02 |
| @rizen | and completely separate from each other site | 07:02 |
| @rizen | WRE 0.8 has the WRE Console, which is a web based admin panel | 07:02 |
| @rizen | so maybe you read something about that | 07:02 |
| @rizen | and it's confusing you | 07:02 |
| wgGuest63 | right. . I might have read it | 07:02 |
| wgGuest63 | but with the stable version | 07:03 |
| wgGuest63 | if I create one site | 07:03 |
| @rizen | the stable version has no wreconsole.p | 07:03 |
| @rizen | if you add one site | 07:03 |
| @rizen | then that's a working webgui | 07:03 |
| wgGuest63 | how would I go about creating multipe sites for faculty, per say? | 07:03 |
| @rizen | that you can publish data to | 07:03 |
| @rizen | you want each faculty member to have a full webgui site? | 07:03 |
| @rizen | or just a section within a big site? | 07:04 |
| wgGuest63 | well | 07:04 |
| wgGuest63 | I suppose one section each per the one webgui | 07:04 |
| @rizen | then you'd need to log in as admin | 07:04 |
| @rizen | create the user | 07:04 |
| @rizen | create the page | 07:04 |
| @rizen | and assign rights to the page to the user | 07:04 |
| @rizen | or set up a workflow to do that for you | 07:04 |
| wgGuest63 | but each of them will want freedom to create their own page layout, color, theme, etc. | 07:05 |
| wgGuest63 | is this possible the way you described? | 07:05 |
| @rizen | yes | 07:05 |
| @rizen | every page in the site can have a unique style if that's what you want | 07:05 |
| wgGuest63 | once I create lets say user1 and user2 | 07:05 |
| wgGuest63 | and a page for each | 07:06 |
| wgGuest63 | user 1 will be able to modify his page | 07:06 |
| wgGuest63 | I'll have to play around with it myself | 07:06 |
| wgGuest63 | but faculty usually have more than one page | 07:06 |
| @rizen | rather than going through the hassle of installing it, why not play with this out on demo.webgui.org | 07:06 |
| @rizen | yeah, once they have one page | 07:07 |
| @rizen | they can add additional pages | 07:07 |
| @rizen | under that main page | 07:07 |
| wgGuest63 | right | 07:07 |
| wgGuest63 | and then I can create a link on my campus website to link to each faculty page | 07:07 |
| wgGuest63 | lemme try thisinstall one more time | 07:07 |
| @rizen | if you set it up right, you can actually have webgui keep your faculty page up to date automatically | 07:08 |
| @rizen | so that when you add a new faculty member | 07:08 |
| @rizen | or delete one | 07:08 |
| @rizen | the main page is automatically updated | 07:08 |
| wgGuest63 | cool, hold on | 07:08 |
| wgGuest63 | (installing . . . ) | 07:09 |
| wgGuest63 | unpacking webgui | 07:11 |
| wgGuest63 | almost done! | 07:11 |
| wgGuest63 | =) | 07:11 |
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| ckotil | hrm htmp::template::expr isnt handing my conditionals as I intend it to. | 18:06 |
| ckotil | ?? pastebin | 18:07 |
| ckotil | http://www.pastebin.ca/692077 | 18:08 |
| ckotil | nothing too fancey.. | 18:08 |
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| ckotil | so i simplified the conditionals. and it works. | 18:19 |
| ckotil | perhaps thats a bug? | 18:19 |
| ckotil | http://pastebin.ca/692095 simplified. | 18:20 |
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| elnino | hi. I have some pages that need to be approved by one manager, and other pages be approved by another. Is there a way to do this? or is this an RFE? | 19:58 |
| @preaction | how are they split? by sections of the site? currently there's no automatic way to do it, but you can choose which workflow your version tag runs under | 20:02 |
| @preaction | so you can make two workflows: Commit With Approval from Manager One, and CWA from Manager Two, and assign different groups to the "Request Approval" workflow activity | 20:03 |
| elnino | so, when a user in a particular group "creates a version tag" is there a way to default which workflow they get? (based on the group they are in?) | 20:07 |
| @preaction | no | 20:07 |
| elnino | oh. so I have to teach them how to responsibly select the correct approval work flow? =) | 20:07 |
| @preaction | you might want to take a look inside the RequestApproval something something workflow activity | 20:08 |
| @preaction | it's really quite simple, you might be able to hack it yourself | 20:08 |
| elnino | work flow activies scare me. and make no sense to me. I'm just glad the default ones work. =) | 20:09 |
| @preaction | i actually wrote one that does what you require, using the RequestApproval as a base, for a client. problem is that it's completely custom for their site (there's no way to alter it to fit anyone's needs, it's a monster) | 20:09 |
| @preaction | might want to post an RFE for a "Request Approval workflow activity with Multiple Approval Groups". it seems I get asked about it a bit | 20:10 |
| @preaction | not sure if it'll pass muster with JT, but it'd be the simplest solution to the problem | 20:11 |
| @preaction | make sure to mention that we shouldn't stop with just one extra User Group to Approval Group relationship, that multiples should be available | 20:11 |
| @preaction | (it'd be a power admin's toy, but it would be very powerful) | 20:11 |
| elnino | thanks! you are very helpful. It looks liek workflows are little more intuitive from the old version I had. I'll see if I can dig around. | 20:13 |
| @preaction | i might just add it to my list, even if JT doesn't approve it, usually he'll take patches if he's coerced about the usefulness of it | 20:14 |
| @preaction | i mean, still make the RFE, but if it's not approved don't give up hope | 20:15 |
| @preaction | i think two new approval activities: one by group as you described, and one by asset lineage (so you can demarcate a section of your site to be under the control of certain users) will work out splendidly | 20:16 |
| elnino | ok. I'll create an rfe. Thanks! ANother question. I have 7.3.22 and we're planning on going live this friday. Would it be advisable to upgrade to the latest stable? I'm hoping there aren't any nasty surprises.... | 20:20 |
| @preaction | 7.3.22 is the latest stable | 20:20 |
| @preaction | 7.4 is still in beta, afaik on-track to release stable this week or next | 20:20 |
| elnino | So, I have another question. I'm the "admin" user of webgui, and all the pages on the site are owned by me. is this the typical setup? or should the pages be owned by the group that can modify it? | 20:27 |
| elnino | what would the pros and cons be? | 20:28 |
| elnino | rfe made. | 20:30 |
| @preaction | assets are owned by a single user, that user is allowed (usually) to edit that asset (i believe, even if they aren't in the group that allows editing) | 20:30 |
| @preaction | i'm not really too sure about owner, since it usually never comes up | 20:30 |
| @preaction | i'd imagine though, it's mostly used for things like Posts to collab systems | 20:30 |
| @preaction | or Events | 20:30 |
| @preaction | user-posted content | 20:30 |
| elnino | yep, the owner has full editing rights regardless of edit group. Just wondierng if my setup is typical? or if people take the time to give the ownership of pages to other groups other than admin. no biggy, just curious. | 20:44 |
| @preaction | it's typical except for the user-posted content like Events and Posts/Threads | 20:48 |
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| elnino | ok. glad I'm typical. =) | 20:52 |
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| dionak | quick, easy question...i have a list of userIds in a template. How do I get the username for each userId? The userName macro just gets the logged in user according to the wiki... | 22:51 |
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| dionak | sounds easy anyways.. | 22:51 |
| rizenisaway | you would need to write a macro that looks up the username based upon user id | 22:52 |
| dionak | ok..cool. thanks | 22:52 |
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| ckotil | <3 webgui | 16:57 |
| knowmad | awwww :) | 16:57 |
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| @rizen | sweet...did it do something particularly kick ass for you? | 17:03 |
| @rizen | how's bithznethz knowmad? | 17:07 |
| ckotil | yeah, the templating system | 17:07 |
| ckotil | html::template::expr in particular | 17:08 |
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| @rizen | ah yes...our design staff is particularly fond of that | 17:09 |
| @rizen | i just like that the templating system can scale with your needs/skill level | 17:10 |
| @rizen | noob = H:T | 17:10 |
| @rizen | some xp = H:T:E | 17:10 |
| @rizen | power user = TT | 17:10 |
| ckotil | tho i wasnt able to combine conditionals with || &&. | 17:11 |
| @rizen | you can do that with TT | 17:11 |
| ckotil | oh, i see | 17:11 |
| @rizen | TT is pretty much a full on programming language | 17:11 |
| @rizen | you can inline perl code right into it | 17:11 |
| ckotil | awsome. | 17:11 |
| @rizen | but it's too challenging for most users, that's why we start everybody with H:T | 17:12 |
| ckotil | I can see that being very useful | 17:12 |
| @rizen | it's not too shabby | 17:15 |
| @rizen | ckotil, were you planning on coming to the WUC? | 17:16 |
| @rizen | the reason i bring it up is that our director of operations told me yesterday that there's only a few seats left. for the first time in history we're probably going to sell all our available seats | 17:17 |
| @rizen | so if you want one, you should sign up soon | 17:17 |
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| ckotil | No, thanks though. | 17:43 |
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| xootom | hi, very much looking forward to 7.4.6 and 7.5, can anyone hint at when they might be available? | 18:03 |
| @rizen | 7.4.6 will come out today | 18:03 |
| @rizen | 7.5 will come out when it does | 18:03 |
| xootom | ah lovely, thanks | 18:03 |
| xootom | np :) | 18:04 |
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| knowmad | hey rizen, bithznethz is good. we're working on redoing our website packages to all incorporate WebGUI (except an ecommerce offering that uses another product) | 19:13 |
| knowmad | how about you guys | 19:14 |
| @rizen | quite good actually | 19:32 |
| @rizen | we're busy working out the details for some new products and services that we'll be offering starting at the wuc | 19:32 |
| @rizen | and we also have some pretty high profile organizations that we're working out contracts for | 19:33 |
| @rizen | is the other system "OS Commerce"? | 19:34 |
| knowmad | no. we're using CS-Cart | 19:34 |
| knowmad | glad to hear you're keeping busy. i assumed as much seeing the job postings going up | 19:34 |
| knowmad | i look forward to hearing about the new stuff at the WUC | 19:34 |
| @rizen | hmmm...haven't heard of cs cart | 19:35 |
| @rizen | hopefully the new features i'm working on, which i'll show a small demo of at the wuc will be enough to eliminate the need for cs cart | 19:35 |
| knowmad | I'd be so happy if you can pull that off | 19:36 |
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| knowmad | It's just hard for a universal CMS to be as competent as a package which is devoted to that one concept (e.g., shopping cart, blogging) | 19:37 |
| @rizen | it won't be until early next year before you'll be able to use the new commerce features | 19:37 |
| @rizen | oh yeah, i know that | 19:37 |
| knowmad | i'm just glad to hear they are coming! | 19:37 |
| @rizen | i hope to suprize everyone a bit when we come out with the new commerce stuff | 19:38 |
| knowmad | on the other hand, folks probably use 25-50% of the features of these devoted pkgs | 19:38 |
| @rizen | actually...it's funny you say that | 19:38 |
| knowmad | so if WebGUI can do the main features, we can customize the special stuff | 19:38 |
| knowmad | I like surprises :) | 19:38 |
| knowmad | well, good ones anyhow | 19:38 |
| @rizen | one of our internal development goals is for webgui to have the most used 50% of features in any given category that it competes in | 19:38 |
| @rizen | we figure that the last 50% are so specialized, that they likely aren't worth the bang/buck | 19:39 |
| knowmad | Nice! That's a lofty goal. | 19:39 |
| knowmad | have you identified the apps you are competing with in each of the Assets? | 19:39 |
| knowmad | is that open to discussion? | 19:39 |
| @rizen | because, as you state, it's nearly impossible for a general purpose tool to compete with a specialized one | 19:39 |
| @rizen | we have for some of them | 19:40 |
| @rizen | CS = phpBB | 19:40 |
| @rizen | and i think we have the 50% covered there | 19:40 |
| @rizen | and then some | 19:40 |
| @rizen | wiki = mediawiki | 19:40 |
| @rizen | we have a ways to go | 19:40 |
| knowmad | unfortunately, i have to agree with that | 19:41 |
| @rizen | but we only just introduced our wiki | 19:41 |
| @rizen | they've been around for ever | 19:41 |
| knowmad | i'd love to start using the wiki for our internal docs but need some features like more refined permissions control per entry | 19:41 |
| knowmad | yeah, and it's getting better | 19:41 |
| @rizen | yeah, the 7.4 wiki is a very usable wiki, though not feature rich | 19:41 |
| @rizen | for commerce our 50% goal is measured against OS Commerce | 19:42 |
| @rizen | arguably the leader in the shopping cart arena | 19:42 |
| knowmad | i've not used OS Commerce. it's prob similar to CS-cart and X-Cart | 19:42 |
| @rizen | my goal is to reach our 50% commerce goal by the end of 2008 | 19:44 |
| @rizen | the calendar is really starting to get close too | 19:45 |
| @rizen | it only needs the list view, and subscriptions and we're there | 19:45 |
| @rizen | of course "there" is a dynamic thing | 19:45 |
| @rizen | people are always adding new features | 19:46 |
| knowmad | great. what are you comparing calendar to? | 19:50 |
| @rizen | calcium | 19:53 |
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| @rizen | at some point we may need to update our views and compare it to something like google calendars, or phpGroupware, or evite....something that has resource scheduling and event planning capabilities | 19:54 |
| @rizen | but for now, we're just trying to make the best event calendar we can make | 19:55 |
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| knowmad | hey, rizen. sorry to fall off. had a client call. | 21:32 |
| knowmad | then lunch was calling | 21:32 |
| knowmad | I like your ideas of making the calendar work for resource scheduling and event planning. | 21:33 |
| xootom | is it possible to change the url the user is sent to after they have confirmed their account via email? by default the url contains the place they started registering from, so short of making the site's registration link point to a page preceeding the actual registration, then having different assets for 'registered users' on this page. can I override the url in the confirm email? | 22:14 |
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| +MrHairgrease | weirdness | 23:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you paste this code into the description of a page | 23:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | apche will jump to 100% processor and eat up your machine | 23:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-perl-737.html | 23:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | my guess is it's doin something with macro's | 23:26 |
| @preaction | that's crazy talk there | 23:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it does run | 23:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's an amazing piece of code | 23:29 |
| @preaction | indeed | 23:31 |
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| @preaction | i haven't seen colin around in a while | 00:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | i was thinking the same when I just joined the channel today | 00:37 |
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| @preaction | i'm writing some tests for that code you pasted to try to debug why and ensure it doesn't ever become a problem again, and i was thinking about some changes to the structure of our tests | 00:37 |
| @preaction | wanted to run it by him... hum... | 00:38 |
| @rizen | colin hasn't been around for a while because he injured himself | 00:38 |
| @rizen | so instead of coding time | 00:38 |
| @rizen | he has therapy time | 00:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | injured? | 00:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | will he be at the wuc? | 00:39 |
| @rizen | yes he'll be there | 00:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 00:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's good | 00:40 |
| @preaction | my test succeeds, but it takes a few seconds in the test environment. | 00:41 |
| @rizen | yo mamma | 00:41 |
| @preaction | during which, i imagine, the process is 100% cpu | 00:42 |
| @preaction | or not... weird | 00:42 |
| @preaction | maybe it's because there's only the weird text itself, and not a page style around it | 00:43 |
| @preaction | there are five macros that get opened in that string, and only one of them gets closed, so the processor i assume keeps going until it reaches the end of the text. the problem is the regex recursion, since it's one regex, it's causing that intensive loop | 00:46 |
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| xootom | is password recovery with email address working for other people? | 02:11 |
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| cap10morgan | Am I correct in assuming that the HTTP proxy wobject can't handle redirects from the thing it's proxying? | 02:14 |
| cap10morgan | oh, no, it seems i am not. the code is there, but something's not working, hmm... | 02:30 |
| @rizen | do you have follow redirects turned on | 02:31 |
| @rizen | in the http proxy | 02:31 |
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| xootom | if I set allow password recovery to email address, there is no password recovery form on my site, what could be breaking it? | 02:47 |
| xootom | with user profile fields is ok though | 02:48 |
| @preaction | xootom, what version? there were some necessary fixes to the system, and a complete overhaul in 7.4 | 02:50 |
| xootom | 7.4.5, i've just tried with another site on the same wre/webgui though which is ok | 02:52 |
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| xootom | doesnt seem to be a template problem | 03:05 |
| @rizen | i doubt it's a bug since it works on plainblack.com | 03:09 |
| xootom | yeah it works on my server on other instances of the site too | 03:12 |
| xootom | the form is just missing though on my main site | 03:12 |
| @preaction | there were changes to the form, are you using the default template? | 03:16 |
| xootom | yeah and compared it with a working site, its the same | 03:17 |
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| xootom | strange, I think I'll have to abandon it for today, in the WebGUI auth in sub emailRecoverPassword it's rendering hidden fields and the form, but the text, email and submit elements aren't coming through | 03:44 |
| xootom | could it be conflicting with my utility interface template's login form i wonder | 03:46 |
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| cap10morgan | rizen: yeah, i have follow redirects on (sorry, just saw your response) | 06:00 |
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| knowmad | can anyone enlighten me about using session scratch to store stuff? | 15:34 |
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| @rizen | $session->scratch->set("x", "here's my data"); | 16:41 |
| @rizen | scratch variables persist for the duration of the session | 16:42 |
| @rizen | so until the user logs out, or is logged out by session time out | 16:42 |
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| ckotil | then is it <tmpl_var x> to call on it? | 17:45 |
| @rizen | to call on what? | 17:48 |
| @rizen | scratch variables? | 17:48 |
| knowmad | ok, thanks rizen. i'm actually on a different course b/c like ckotil points out, i'm not sure how to grab it back out. | 17:56 |
| knowmad | plus i need to grab it back on a per-user basis while iterating over a loop in the InOutBoard wobject. it makes more sense to set the profile field during login. | 17:57 |
| knowmad | are you guys using the runOnLogin config option? I've got a post to the support forum about it. I don't see how it works because it looks like it's using the macro module to process the command. | 17:58 |
| @rizen | runOnLogin is being used by one of our clients | 17:58 |
| @rizen | $session->scratch->get("x) is how you get it back out | 17:58 |
| knowmad | good. so it does work. | 17:58 |
| @rizen | $session->scratch->get("x") | 17:59 |
| knowmad | but how would that work inside the loop in InOutBoard where i'm iterating over many users. i'd have to instantiate new sessions for each user to get their scratch setting wouldn't I? | 17:59 |
| @rizen | yes | 18:00 |
| @rizen | if you were trying to set it on each user's session | 18:00 |
| knowmad | with >50 users, that sounds slow | 18:00 |
| @rizen | assuming they even have sessions | 18:00 |
| knowmad | that's a good point as well | 18:00 |
| knowmad | that's why i'm thinking using the runOnLogin script to set a profile value | 18:00 |
| @rizen | perhaps you should just tell me what you're trying to do | 18:01 |
| knowmad | i just don't know what's coming into that script when it is called. | 18:01 |
| @rizen | the end result | 18:01 |
| knowmad | end result is to set a phone ext for each user as they login | 18:01 |
| knowmad | each day the user may be at a different extension and we need to show that info in the inout board | 18:01 |
| @rizen | so how could you use runOnLogin to do that? | 18:02 |
| knowmad | it's working with a profile field but changing it is a pain, esp since they do not allow users to alter their profiles which means an admin would have to do it | 18:02 |
| knowmad | i could use a script to take an extra form param from the login form and set the profile field | 18:02 |
| @rizen | nope | 18:02 |
| @rizen | the form data isn't being sent to the runOnLogin command | 18:03 |
| knowmad | if session obj is passed to script, i could use session->form->param(). or maybe not.... | 18:03 |
| @rizen | you can't pass an object to a script | 18:03 |
| knowmad | then i could pass it in on a command line via FormParam macro? | 18:03 |
| @rizen | think about it | 18:03 |
| knowmad | yeah, i see... | 18:03 |
| knowmad | about passing an object | 18:03 |
| knowmad | to be honest, i don't see how that script is getting called | 18:04 |
| @rizen | the script gets called like this: | 18:04 |
| knowmad | it looks like it's using the macro utility to do it and the macros do receive objects | 18:04 |
| @rizen | here: /path/to/script ^@; ^whatever; ^somemacro; | 18:04 |
| @rizen | it is'nt sending objects | 18:05 |
| @rizen | it's sending strings | 18:05 |
| @rizen | so your script needs to read those from ARGV | 18:05 |
| @rizen | and the command string | 18:05 |
| @rizen | is what you put in the config file | 18:05 |
| @rizen | macros and all | 18:06 |
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| knowmad | so i should use the _utility.skeleton to base my script on | 18:06 |
| @rizen | yup | 18:06 |
| knowmad | do you think using the FormParam macro will work? | 18:07 |
| @rizen | provided that you customize your login form to add the extra value | 18:07 |
| @rizen | then yyes | 18:07 |
| knowmad | great. i'll let you know how it goes | 18:07 |
| knowmad | so can you tell me why the WebGUI::Macro::process method is used to call the command? i'd think that it would process a Macro instead of execute a command. | 18:08 |
| knowmad | see WebGUI::Auth.pm line 678 | 18:09 |
| knowmad | the comment in WebGUI::Macro.pm says: "Runs all the WebGUI macros to and replaces them in the HTML with their output." | 18:10 |
| knowmad | what does that mean? | 18:10 |
| knowmad | ohh, i see, it's how you replace the macro with the output in the command string | 18:11 |
| knowmad | still, it looks like there's a typo in the comment | 18:11 |
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| dionak | does anyone know of any plans to work on the inbox? I'm looking into this feature and am curious if work is already going on in this area... | 19:03 |
| @rizen | 7.4 and 7.5 both have improvements to the inbox | 19:03 |
| @rizen | 7.4 has a whole new interface as well as private messaging | 19:04 |
| @rizen | 7.5 adds a friends system, so you can easily send messages back and forth between friends | 19:04 |
| dionak | i've noticed...the private messaging but i didn't see the messages between friends. i'm looking at the source in svn... | 19:05 |
| dionak | i need to be able to delete messages and i created a test for WebGUI::Inbox. | 19:05 |
| dionak | i have delete working btw. | 19:06 |
| dionak | where do i find the messages between friends? | 19:06 |
| @rizen | it's not in svn yet cuz we haven't branched for 7.5 yet | 19:07 |
| dionak | oh, ok. is there a timeline in place? | 19:07 |
| @rizen | incidentally, i won't accept the delete code unless it simply marks the message deleted, and doesn't display it | 19:07 |
| @rizen | it can't actually delete the message | 19:07 |
| dionak | that would be my preference but i'm currently using the delete method that existed. are you planning to make an inbox look like any existing mail application? | 19:08 |
| dionak | i could change the code to set status = 'deleted' if that's acceptable | 19:08 |
| @rizen | yup, that's fine | 19:08 |
| dionak | cool | 19:08 |
| @rizen | the look and feel of the inbox as it is in 7.4 is the only change we have planned for the short term | 19:09 |
| @rizen | longer term we plan on building a whole new account management screen set | 19:09 |
| @rizen | including the inbox | 19:09 |
| @rizen | but i don't know what version that would be | 19:10 |
| dionak | i'd be happy to contribute to the inbox if that's useful. | 19:10 |
| @rizen | we're always up for contributions. simply document what you want to change, and email it to me. | 19:10 |
| dionak | ok, will do. thanks | 19:11 |
| @rizen | then once we're branched for 7.5 you can start checking in your changes | 19:11 |
| dionak | gotcha | 19:11 |
| @rizen | does anyone here know how to use Parse::RecDescent | 19:11 |
| @rizen | i'm having a hard time with it | 19:12 |
| dionak | knowmad is pretty familiar with that... | 19:12 |
| @rizen | knowmad, r u around? | 19:12 |
| knowmad | hey rizen, what's up? | 19:13 |
| knowmad | ahh, recdescent. that's a fun module! | 19:13 |
| @rizen | i'm trying to learn it | 19:13 |
| @rizen | so i've created a custom config file format for screwing around with | 19:14 |
| knowmad | yeah, it's a mind bender | 19:14 |
| @rizen | and i've started writing my grammar | 19:14 |
| @rizen | but it doesn't work | 19:14 |
| knowmad | but it's awesome when you get it working | 19:14 |
| @rizen | here's the perl | 19:14 |
| @rizen | http://rafb.net/p/LZjqLB48.html | 19:14 |
| knowmad | you read my mind :) | 19:14 |
| knowmad | what about the config file? | 19:14 |
| @rizen | here's the config | 19:14 |
| @rizen | http://rafb.net/p/BB3sAo80.html | 19:14 |
| @rizen | i just recently made a change that makes it so it won't even run | 19:15 |
| @rizen | let me remove that and paste again | 19:15 |
| @rizen | ok, new code: http://rafb.net/p/RBuIbh56.html | 19:16 |
| @rizen | and here's the output i'm getting: http://rafb.net/p/2cNy2d22.html | 19:16 |
| @rizen | i'm getting the data just fine | 19:17 |
| @rizen | but i want the structure to include the directives too...like a hash reference, so i know what the data represents | 19:17 |
| knowmad | i'm running it local | 19:17 |
| knowmad | there are callbacks you can run when matching to grab that info | 19:20 |
| knowmad | i've got a lunch mtg to get to but can find an example for you when i get back in around 3ish | 19:20 |
| @rizen | thanks | 19:20 |
| knowmad | i'll im when i get back to see where you get | 19:20 |
| knowmad | you'll prob. figure it out while i'm out ;) | 19:20 |
| @rizen | i'm probably going to have to give up | 19:20 |
| @rizen | i don't really have enough time to do this right now | 19:21 |
| knowmad | leave it and i'll get back to you this afternoon | 19:21 |
| dionak | jt, do you have a guesstimate on the branch for 7.5? | 19:43 |
| @rizen | when all the bugs on the bug list for 7.4 are gone | 19:44 |
| @rizen | hopefully next week | 19:44 |
| @rizen | but that's really up to Haarg and the rest of the community | 19:45 |
| dionak | ok, thanks. | 19:45 |
| dionak | where is the bug list? | 19:45 |
| @rizen | webgui.org/bugs | 19:45 |
| @rizen | exclude any plainblack.com, and wre bugs | 19:45 |
| @rizen | the only ones that matter for stable are WebGUI bugs | 19:45 |
| dionak | ok. how do you make sure people aren't working on the same thing? | 19:46 |
| dionak | or do you? | 19:46 |
| @rizen | the tradition is that while you're working on a bug you reply to it and say you're working on it | 19:48 |
| @rizen | and then you reply again when you're no longer working | 19:48 |
| dionak | cool. thanks. | 19:48 |
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| knowmad | rizen, yt? | 22:38 |
| knowmad | i've got something for you to play with. | 22:39 |
| knowmad | http://rafb.net/p/cpSFb868.html | 22:40 |
| cap10morgan | anyone know of someone working on adding OpenID authentication to WebGUI? | 22:40 |
| knowmad | yeah, there's a post in add ons for it | 22:41 |
| cap10morgan | oh yeah? | 22:41 |
| cap10morgan | groovy | 22:41 |
| knowmad | and it sounds pretty complete. i'm hoping for a project to be able to try it myself. | 22:41 |
| cap10morgan | yeah, i've got one now, so this is good news. :) thanks knowmad | 22:42 |
| knowmad | but none so far. please post a reply to the guy if you try it. | 22:42 |
| cap10morgan | for sure | 22:42 |
| knowmad | yes, it's always a joy to find out that someone else has done the dirty work for you :) | 22:42 |
| cap10morgan | no doubt | 22:42 |
| knowmad | maybe you can help me | 22:42 |
| knowmad | i need to update a user profile field from an external script | 22:43 |
| knowmad | assuming i have a user object, any suggestions for what to use to do this? | 22:43 |
| @rizen | if you have a user object then you just call the profileField method | 22:44 |
| @rizen | $user->profileField("email", 'me@you.com'); | 22:44 |
| @rizen | thanks for the code | 22:45 |
| @rizen | i'll take a look | 22:45 |
| knowmad | yeah, hope it works out. i'm sure you'll figure out how to get the output you need | 22:45 |
| @rizen | ohly crap | 22:46 |
| @rizen | it just works | 22:46 |
| knowmad | :) | 22:47 |
| @rizen | i've been playing with the return strings now for quite a while | 22:47 |
| knowmad | RD is like that! Hats off to Damian. | 22:47 |
| @rizen | and got close, but still not right | 22:47 |
| @rizen | i don't understand why yours works though | 22:47 |
| @rizen | you're creating strings | 22:47 |
| @rizen | is the return value supposed to be a string? | 22:48 |
| @rizen | oh wait | 22:48 |
| knowmad | that's my understanding but to be honest i grabbed that code from an old script I wrote and plugged it in. let me send you a bunch of url's i used while developing it | 22:48 |
| @rizen | nevermind, yours isn't working | 22:48 |
| @rizen | yours is just returning strings | 22:48 |
| knowmad | i thought that was strange that you'd want it in that format | 22:48 |
| @rizen | not an actual hash | 22:49 |
| @rizen | no, what i want is for it to create a hash | 22:49 |
| knowmad | i suspect you can change that behavior | 22:49 |
| @rizen | i'm sure i can, but it's going to take a lot more dinking around | 22:49 |
| knowmad | lemme pull the POD | 22:49 |
| @rizen | i can get it to the point where it gives me an array of hash references | 22:50 |
| @rizen | which i suppose i can then just merge into a giant hash | 22:50 |
| knowmad | but that'd take addt'l work outside of the parser | 22:51 |
| knowmad | there's a way to populate a hash as you parse. hold on a sec... | 22:52 |
| @rizen | i've got it working, now, but through a total jury rig | 22:53 |
| @rizen | i'm sure there is a better way to do it | 22:53 |
| @rizen | here's my code that works | 22:55 |
| @rizen | http://rafb.net/p/PG2fo869.html | 22:55 |
| @rizen | and the output: http://rafb.net/p/Vd52EQ26.html | 22:55 |
| @rizen | but i'm cheating cuz i'm using an external hash | 22:55 |
| @rizen | rather than the data structure created by Parse::RecDescent | 22:56 |
| knowmad | ok, got somethin | 22:57 |
| knowmad | but you beat me to the punch | 22:57 |
| @rizen | so you're using an external hash too? | 22:58 |
| knowmad | and i see that you break out value and units in yours | 22:58 |
| knowmad | yes, an external hash that gets populated via the parser | 22:58 |
| knowmad | wanna see the code? | 22:58 |
| @rizen | sure | 22:58 |
| @rizen | isn't that cheating though? | 22:58 |
| @rizen | or is that the way you're supposed to do it? | 22:58 |
| knowmad | http://rafb.net/p/fmb1Dt34.html | 22:59 |
| knowmad | using an external hash? | 22:59 |
| @rizen | yeah? | 22:59 |
| @rizen | shouldn't we be using the data structure that the parser creates? | 22:59 |
| knowmad | i don't see why it's cheating but I'm no PRD expert | 22:59 |
| @preaction | parser doesn't really create a structure. it can modify text in-place if you give it a scalar-ref instead of a scalar | 23:00 |
| knowmad | check out this - http://search.cpan.org/~dconway/Parse-RecDescent-1.94/lib/Parse/RecDescent.pod#Autoactions | 23:00 |
| @preaction | it's weird, i just got into it yesterday | 23:00 |
| @preaction | had to use local for the first time ever (at least, proper use of local) | 23:01 |
| @rizen | it does create a structure preaction | 23:01 |
| @preaction | oh, hmm | 23:01 |
| knowmad | his example shows using the code blocks (though not an external data structure) | 23:01 |
| @rizen | if you do Dumper($parser->parse) it outputs an array ref | 23:01 |
| @preaction | ohhh that's what $return is | 23:01 |
| @rizen | right | 23:01 |
| @preaction | dur, that would work far better than what i was doing for the macros | 23:01 |
| knowmad | are there methods that can be called on the object? | 23:02 |
| knowmad | but return is just a string | 23:02 |
| knowmad | actually i take that back | 23:02 |
| knowmad | looking at the POD he shows examples of return returnings an array. so i guess it could also return a hashref which is essentially what i did in my latest code example. | 23:02 |
| @preaction | rizen, fyi: the few benchmarks i've been able to complete (hard to do due to Out Of Memory errors) say that with just one macro containing one nested macro, PRD is 25% faster | 23:03 |
| @preaction | with 7 of those macros in the same text, it's almost 1000% faster | 23:03 |
| @rizen | yeah, but i want to see it inside of a bunch of HTML | 23:03 |
| @rizen | that's the true benchmark | 23:03 |
| @rizen | if you just take the output of a default site | 23:04 |
| @rizen | and run it on that | 23:04 |
| @preaction | i can only do a few hundred iterations, but i'll assemble a style from a demo | 23:04 |
| @rizen | incidentally Haarg wrote one using a different kind of regex that was also 1000% faster | 23:05 |
| @preaction | nice | 23:05 |
| @rizen | however, his didnt' take into account macros that output macro code | 23:05 |
| @rizen | like when you call ^AssetProxy(); | 23:05 |
| @rizen | that might output macros | 23:05 |
| @rizen | does yours take care of that? | 23:05 |
| @Haarg | mine could do that, i just haven't written it to do so yet | 23:06 |
| @preaction | i'm not sure, i just call the parser to parse nested macros | 23:06 |
| @preaction | i don't think it does for a couple cases yet | 23:06 |
| @rizen | I know Haarg, but your benchmarks don't include that | 23:06 |
| @rizen | it's all well and good to say that A outperforms B by 1000%. But if A and B aren't doing the same thing then it's not a very good test | 23:07 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 23:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | rizen | 23:07 |
| @rizen | mhg | 23:07 |
| @Haarg | i'm pretty sure it would still be significantly faster | 23:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | it is true that importAssetData is not being called if you extend it in a wobject? | 23:08 |
| @rizen | i'm not saying it wouldn't | 23:08 |
| @rizen | and i hope it is | 23:08 |
| @rizen | just like i hope preaction's is | 23:08 |
| @preaction | i've got a benchmark script, but it seems to destroy sites | 23:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe i'm just fucking up | 23:08 |
| @preaction | (probably because of the OOM errors and not being able to properly rollback) | 23:09 |
| @rizen | well you have to do $self->SUPER::importAssetData(@_); | 23:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | but i'm trying to fix roys memory wobject so that it also exports some collateral data | 23:09 |
| @rizen | are you doing that? | 23:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | i did that | 23:09 |
| @rizen | well then it should be | 23:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | the thing is that I put a whole bunch of warns in there to monitor what it's doing | 23:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | and they're not showing up in the logs | 23:10 |
| @rizen | did you restart apache afterward? | 23:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | nor does some table get updated | 23:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 23:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | but | 23:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | let me try again | 23:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm | 23:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | still doesn't work | 23:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | I get some weird errors though | 23:13 |
| cap10morgan | is there a way to manually reset a webgui user's password in the db? i've tried setting it to the output of md5(password), old_password(password), and password(password), but no luck | 23:13 |
| cap10morgan | (the identifier field in the authentication table) | 23:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | 2007/09/13 22:11:25 - ERROR - dev2.conf - Log::Log4perl::Layout::PatternLayout::render[[undef]] - Could not set uid/gid on '/data/domains/dev2/public/uploads/4-/lH/4-lHDT_qzyaWK3X | 23:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | vdlH-tQ/thumb-roy.png | 23:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that file is there _with_ the right privs | 23:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | somehow WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Memory->importAssetData is not called | 23:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | or so it seems | 23:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh crap | 23:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | I think i found it | 23:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | 197 my $asset = $assets{$data->{properties}{parentId}} || $self; | 23:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | 198 my $newAsset = $asset->importAssetData($data); | 23:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | so importAssetData is called on another asset than the one that is being imported | 23:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | right? | 23:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | it is | 23:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | the parent asset to be precise | 23:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | so the importAssetData method is called on the wrong asset | 23:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | or maybe not the wrong | 23:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | but in a way that I cannot extend it | 23:17 |
| @rizen | you can extend it | 23:17 |
| @rizen | if you couldn't then you wouldn't be able to import images | 23:17 |
| @rizen | which are an extension of a file | 23:18 |
| @rizen | oh, but nevermind | 23:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm | 23:18 |
| @rizen | that doesn't override anything | 23:18 |
| @rizen | it just inherits | 23:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 23:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's what i mean | 23:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | but let me check it out to be sure | 23:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | Image assets don't have the method | 23:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 23:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | thta was what you were saying | 23:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | actually | 23:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | ont AssetPackage.pm has it | 23:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | exporting collateral data works great by the | 23:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | exportAssetData is extendible | 23:21 |
| @rizen | i don't understand why is import not extendible? | 23:22 |
| @rizen | oh | 23:23 |
| @rizen | nevermind | 23:23 |
| @rizen | it's the same reason that when you call www_add | 23:23 |
| @rizen | you're calling it on the parent | 23:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 23:23 |
| @rizen | the asset doesn't exist yet | 23:23 |
| @rizen | so why do you need to extend it? | 23:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | b/c | 23:23 |
| @rizen | if www_add works, then so should import | 23:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | the memory asset has images for the memory cards | 23:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | and stores them in a table called MemoryImage | 23:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | teh images are in storage locations | 23:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | exporting and importing the images themselves work fine | 23:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | but inserting the correct rows in that table must be done from importassetdata | 23:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | and no | 23:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | www_add is called on the parent | 23:25 |
| @rizen | that's what i said | 23:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | which call geteditform on the to be created asset | 23:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | so ther you can do your magick | 23:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | not in add | 23:25 |
| @rizen | ok, so the problem here is that you have collateral data | 23:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 23:26 |
| @rizen | and the import system doesn't account for that | 23:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | apparently | 23:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | however | 23:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's perfectly possible to export collateral data into apckage | 23:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | a package* | 23:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | you just cannot import it again | 23:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | which kind of defies the purpous of being able to export it =) | 23:27 |
| @rizen | right | 23:27 |
| @rizen | so add a method to WebGUI::AssetPackage called importAssetCollateralData | 23:28 |
| @rizen | make it empty by default | 23:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | that would work | 23:28 |
| @rizen | and have it called on the newly imported asset | 23:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 23:28 |
| @rizen | you have my blessing to do so and add it to svn | 23:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 23:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | will do | 23:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | there's also another bug i found | 23:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | by default JSON will return objects called JSON::NotString (ort something like that) in the datastructures returned by JSON::jsonToObj | 23:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | which will cause the import to die | 23:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | the fix is setting this before you convert the datasturcture | 23:30 |
| knowmad | rizen, here's my refactored version of a RD parser using the built-in $return object --> http://rafb.net/p/scUEbb94.html | 23:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | $JSON::UnMapping = 1; | 23:30 |
| @rizen | mhg: that fix won't cause any other problems anywhere? | 23:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | I have no idea | 23:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | but we can set it back | 23:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | what it does is | 23:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | return null as undef true as 1 | 23:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | and false a zero | 23:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | in stead of JSON::NoStriong objects | 23:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you don't do it webgui will complain like this: | 23:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | 2007/09/13 12:47:43 - WARN - dev2.conf - Log::Log4perl::Logger::__ANON__[41] - Couldn't call method importPackage on asset for url: root Root cause: Operation "eq": no method foun | 23:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | d, | 23:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | left argument in overloaded package JSON::NotString, | 23:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | right argument has no overloaded magic at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm line 2097. | 23:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | this was caused by an undef synopsis field | 23:33 |
| @rizen | knowmad, thanks, but i did that before | 23:33 |
| @rizen | you'll note that isn't the same output | 23:33 |
| @rizen | it's creating an array of hashreferences | 23:33 |
| @rizen | i c | 23:34 |
| @rizen | in that case, do it mhg | 23:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 23:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | but first | 23:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | im gonna have dinner | 23:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's 22:30 over here | 23:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | and I'm getting hungry =) | 23:35 |
| @rizen | hehe | 23:35 |
| @rizen | have a beer too | 23:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | I already have | 23:35 |
| @rizen | but don't hack webgui druknk | 23:35 |
| @rizen | drunk | 23:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | no worries | 23:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | I prolly don't have time before monday | 23:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 23:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | see you | 23:36 |
| @Haarg | that fix with $JSON::UnMapping is already in | 23:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 23:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | cool | 23:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | bye | 23:39 |
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| @rizen | Haarg rules | 23:39 |
| knowmad | rizen, can i see your solution? | 23:44 |
| @rizen | sure, but it's pretty much the same as before: http://rafb.net/p/mbbxV466.html | 23:46 |
| @rizen | although one of your examples did teach me the cool rulevar directive | 23:46 |
| knowmad | cool. it's different than the version you posted before lunch. | 23:47 |
| @rizen | oh | 23:47 |
| @rizen | sorry, about 3pm ish when you came back i posted it again | 23:47 |
| knowmad | musta missed it | 23:47 |
| @rizen | i must not have caught your attention though | 23:47 |
| @rizen | it's cool that you can write your own little programming language with Parse::RecDescent | 23:48 |
| @rizen | i'm starting to wonder why more modules don't use it | 23:48 |
| knowmad | yeah, it's a fascinating module | 23:48 |
| @rizen | i'd think that template toolkit and HTML::Template would be faster if they were written using it | 23:48 |
| knowmad | i don't know what the overhead is for using it. seems like i saw some discussion about that somewhere. | 23:49 |
| @rizen | thanks for your help btw | 23:50 |
| knowmad | yw | 23:50 |
| @rizen | the reason i started learning this is because at perl mongers tonight i'm doing a talk on using perl for system adminstration | 23:50 |
| @rizen | and there are lots of config file parsers out there | 23:50 |
| knowmad | it was a fun challenge and i don't use PRD enough in my day-to-day work | 23:50 |
| @rizen | but i wanted to show them what they could do if they couldn't find one to parse some config they come across | 23:51 |
| @rizen | yeah...it's not something you'd use every day | 23:51 |
| knowmad | wish i could be there. sounds like fun. | 23:51 |
| @rizen | the presentation and an mp3 file will be posted to madmongers.org afterward if you are interested | 23:51 |
| knowmad | great. i'll check it out. | 23:52 |
| @rizen | again, thanks | 23:52 |
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| @rizen | btw...there are a couple of bofs at the wuc you may be interested in | 23:53 |
| knowmad | have a good one | 23:53 |
| @rizen | check out the wuc wiki and sign up if you're interested | 23:53 |
| knowmad | where are the BOFs posted? | 23:53 |
| knowmad | plainblack.com/wuc? | 23:53 |
| @rizen | yup | 23:53 |
| knowmad | ok, will do | 23:53 |
| knowmad | i didn't know about the BOF's. might be a good news piece. | 23:53 |
| @rizen | good point | 23:54 |
| @rizen | i'll have kristi write something up | 23:54 |
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| nuba | hey jt | 00:14 |
| @rizen | howdy | 00:14 |
| @rizen | how's maps? | 00:14 |
| nuba | just saw your email from yesterday | 00:14 |
| nuba | no good news, im afraid :/ | 00:14 |
| nuba | many things happened here | 00:14 |
| nuba | got a monster flu and stayed in bed for week+ | 00:15 |
| @rizen | i'm sorry to hear that | 00:15 |
| @rizen | any chance it will be working before the wuc? | 00:15 |
| nuba | then hectic schedule at work, post-vacation, if you know what i mean | 00:15 |
| nuba | then on top of that my grandma is hanging in a thread, not sure if i'll stay in rio or travel to middle of south-america at any moment | 00:16 |
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| @rizen | crappy | 00:16 |
| nuba | so yeah yo ucan say its all working agsint the idea of the sept 15 target date | 00:16 |
| @preaction | when i'm running benchmarks for these things, do i have to destroy/re-open the session between iterations? i get some impossible figures: 0.021 seconds to run 500 pages through the REGEX engine | 00:16 |
| nuba | maybe for the wuc | 00:16 |
| nuba | not for sept 15 for sure | 00:16 |
| nuba | i did a lot more of research on googlemaps after 7.4 was released | 00:17 |
| nuba | did all tutorials on a couple of hacking-googlemaps books i got | 00:18 |
| nuba | and some coding to the asset, but not a lot | 00:18 |
| nuba | thats the state of the union | 00:18 |
| @rizen | sorry to hear about your grandma, thanks for the update | 00:19 |
| nuba | np, sorry for the delay, im not being online a lot lately | 00:19 |
| @rizen | preaction: better if you do | 00:19 |
| nuba | thanks re: grandma | 00:20 |
| nuba | hows the schedule plan for 7.5 ? got any already? | 00:21 |
| @rizen | that will be announced at the wuc | 00:22 |
| nuba | that meaning no 7.5.0 before mid-oct, then? | 00:23 |
| @rizen | correct | 00:24 |
| nuba | ok | 00:24 |
| @rizen | at least as far as i'm willing to say publically at this time | 00:24 |
| nuba | ok | 00:25 |
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| cap10morgan | most of the time when i commit things, spectre gets a 500 internal server error on the first try (and sometimes the second...); i have no idea what's going on, but is there any place to start debugging it? if i restart spectre, it will commit just fine. | 02:08 |
| @preaction | can WebGUI connect to spectre? are the spectreIp and spectrePort settings in your webgui.conf correct? | 02:09 |
| cap10morgan | yeah, like i said, it will eventually go through, and if i restart spectre, it goes through | 02:09 |
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| dionak | does anyone know where the hover help js and css is? | 04:11 |
| dionak | for instance, when you're in a tab in admin and hover over an element, hover help is displayed in a box... | 04:11 |
| wgGuest08 | How do I edit the rc.webgui - adding TZ info? | 04:12 |
| dionak | what are you trying to do? | 04:14 |
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| wgGuest08 | I'm following WRE instruction for Binaries and it's the last step before I start WRE | 04:16 |
| dionak | i see why you're asking. it sounds like a top level variable. i'm not a plainblack developer, btw. have you tried adding it as a top level variable? unfortunately, i'm running wre 0.8 so I don't have rc.webgui anymore to test... | 04:24 |
| dionak | just upgraded today | 04:24 |
| dionak | or you could set it command line tonight via export and post to support or the forums | 04:25 |
| dionak | another thought, if it works exporting via command line...you could add the export to the .bashrc of the user that starts webgui on boot. | 04:26 |
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| wgGuest08 | I'm setting up a server at home for testing before I get commercial hosting. I don't knoe much about webgui, but I was following the WRE Instructions fine until I got to the time zone issue | 04:28 |
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| dionak | so you echoed $TZ and got nothing back i'm guessing. i think any of these suggestions would work. i'm lazy so if i were testing, i would first try setting it command line and, if that worked, add it to the .bashrc of the user starting the rc.webgui (probably root) | 04:36 |
| dionak | try that and let me know if it works | 04:37 |
| wgGuest08 | I'm on SSH - what exactly do I have to do. I'm the only user. | 04:39 |
| dionak | try typing 'export TZ=<your timezone>' and starting rc.webgui | 04:40 |
| dionak | oh, after typing export TZ=<timezone>, type 'echo $TZ' to see what the result is.. | 04:40 |
| dionak | you should get whatever you entered. make sure it's a valid tz | 04:41 |
| dionak | where are you? | 04:41 |
| dionak | i'm 'America/New York' | 04:42 |
| wgGuest08 | Same | 04:42 |
| dionak | or US/Eastern | 04:42 |
| dionak | try US/Eastern | 04:42 |
| wgGuest08 | The export cmd worked. | 04:43 |
| wgGuest08 | Thank you | 04:43 |
| dionak | is webgui working? | 04:43 |
| dionak | you're welcome | 04:43 |
| wgGuest08 | WebGUI started. | 04:45 |
| dionak | great! | 04:45 |
| dionak | glad i could help... | 04:45 |
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| elnino | hello. I thought I saw somewhere in webgui a place where you can "temporarily" turn off webgui and put upa "maaintainance page" was I dreaming? | 07:28 |
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| elnino | sorry, I lost connection. | 07:37 |
| elnino | I thought I saw somewhere in webgui where I could temporarily take down webgui andput up a maintainance page. Was I dreaming? | 07:38 |
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| @rizen | the end of the world is near | 17:06 |
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| @rizen | see, i told you | 17:08 |
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| nuba | rizen: i once submitted a bug with the subject "TagCloud (Keywords.pm)", with a patch, | 19:17 |
| nuba | so that "this thing" would be treated as a single tag | 19:17 |
| nuba | instead of '"this' being one tag, and 'thing"' being another tag | 19:17 |
| nuba | i see the bug was closed long ago, but browsing the HEAD for Keyword.pm, it seems it was just ignored | 19:18 |
| nuba | it is still splitting on " " | 19:21 |
| nuba | .oO(btw assuming Perl Best Practices is to be followed to the line, then it should be q{ } instead of " ") | 19:23 |
| nuba | oh i searched the thread and im seeing your reply only now. | 19:25 |
| nuba | you think the escaped tag with " feature is "neither intended nor desired" ? | 19:26 |
| nuba | its funny, having to use only single-word tags sounds weird, counter-intuitive to me | 19:28 |
| @rizen | tags on almost every site in the world are single word tags | 19:31 |
| @rizen | that's why i rejected it | 19:31 |
| @rizen | however, feel free to reopen the RFE, and i'll approve it this time. i've thought about it since i closed the rfe and decided that it doesn't really hurt anything to allow multi-word keywords | 19:32 |
| nuba | it was a bug; should I reopen the bug or head for a RFE instead? | 19:40 |
| dionak | sounds like an RFE... | 20:01 |
| @rizen | rfe | 20:37 |
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| jdan | Hi, Is it any function in API to validate date before make some farther operations? I'm using setToEpoch function and if someone enter wrong date function aborts | 20:54 |
| @preaction_ | "aborts"? it doesn't return undef? | 20:55 |
| jdan | In my case WebGUI reports: 2007/09/14 15:34:23 - WARN - webgui7.conf - main::[[undef]] - Couldn't call method editOfferSave on asset for url: oferty Root cause: Invalid day of month (day = 31 - month = 09) at /usr/share/perl5/DateTime/Format/Strptime.pm line 444 | 20:55 |
| @preaction_ | might want to use DateTime yourself then. there's a nice wrapper around it for WebGUI: WebGUI::DateTime | 20:56 |
| @preaction_ | or you could trap with an eval BLOCK | 20:57 |
| jdan | I tried it but I had some problems. Of course I'll try one more. | 20:59 |
| jdan | Another question is how to use WebGUI::HTMLForm in wobect function? When I use it form is incomlet and JavaScripts not supoort pools like date. | 21:00 |
| jdan | My pools don't have popup callendars etc | 21:01 |
| @preaction_ | uhm. you're going to need to give me a more specific question and an example of what you're doing, what it does, and what you want it to do | 21:02 |
| @preaction_ | perlbot pastebin | 21:02 |
| perlbot | (see paste) | 21:02 |
| @preaction_ | perlbot paste | 21:03 |
| perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. | 21:03 |
| jdan | not pool, data fileld ... sory | 21:03 |
| @preaction_ | the session->style->setScript is called by the WebGUI::Form::DateTime control and gets the proper javascript it needs | 21:04 |
| jdan | I pasted my little code. See it at http://sial.org/pbot/27490 | 21:08 |
| jdan | At this code I have two importand problems. First is date validation. Second is attachments display. It doesn't work the same like in operations mode. | 21:09 |
| @preaction_ | date validation should happen at the javascript level, but no date calendar is popping up? are there any script errors? | 21:11 |
| @preaction_ | what is "operations mode"? | 21:11 |
| jdan | For me opration mode is when I call ?op=opertion | 21:13 |
| @preaction_ | what version are you running? | 21:14 |
| jdan | I think last, I'll check it | 21:15 |
| jdan | 7.3.21-stable | 21:16 |
| @preaction_ | the only thing i can think of for the attachments code is that you seem to be duplicating what the Image control does. it handles all the displaying and validating of attachments for you | 21:18 |
| @preaction_ | and date you're going to have to eval { } | 21:18 |
| jdan | okey, I'am adding eval block | 21:21 |
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| jdan | It's little complex for me. How should I use WebGUI::DateTime in order to get data from form? When I run: $publicToDate = WebGUI::DateTime->new($session->form->process("publicToDate")); it return undef to variable | 21:49 |
| seriftron | Hi, I am having some issues importing a package into 7.5.6-beta. I get errors like "Could not set uid/gid on '/data/WebGUI/www/uploads/7P/7B/7P7BOhr303Qz7x2110miCA/thumb-headerBg.gif' for all of the files in the package. When I check the user/group permissions on the file manually, all appears to be well. The files do not appear, though. And, strangely, I can see a listing of the package's files under the version tag I try to | 22:00 |
| seriftron | import under. | 22:00 |
| seriftron | Has anyone else experienced this? | 22:00 |
| @rizen | there is no 7.5.6 | 22:01 |
| seriftron | Ack - 7.4.6-beta. | 22:01 |
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| jdan | Regarding to my problems with date. I managed using $session->datetime->setToEpoch. It parses both human forms: short(without time) and long. And if date is wrong it doesn't abort wobject function. | 22:04 |
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| @rizen | seriftron: most likely it's a privileges or path problem | 22:22 |
| @rizen | usually your uploadsPath would be /data/domains/www.example.com/public/uploads | 22:23 |
| @rizen | but i see you have something iddferent | 22:23 |
| seriftron | Hmm. Where is that set? | 22:23 |
| @rizen | in your webgui config file | 22:23 |
| @rizen | the other thing could be that your "uploads" folder needs to be recursively owned by your web user, which is usually "nobody" | 22:24 |
| @preaction_ | jdan, you know, if you're using a Date form control, you can just use $session->form->process("name","Date"); and it will give you the epoch time back | 22:30 |
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| jdan | preaction_, thanks. Your advice were perfect. | 23:02 |
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| nuba | rizen: i saw the rfe was accepted, cool, thx | 14:55 |
| nuba | rizen: just for the record, i was being funny in the rfe, not sarcastic | 14:57 |
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| @rizen | is there a difference? | 17:55 |
| @rizen | sarcastic is funny | 17:55 |
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| @khenn | happy day before monday | 19:22 |
| @rizen | so it is | 19:22 |
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| danny_mk | Hmmm... what is "$webguiRoot{id $self} = $webguiPath;" in Config.pm??? | 18:19 |
| danny_mk | is that right? | 18:19 |
| danny_mk | I know that it is a hash, I am a little concerned about the key because I am getting errors on one of my sites. | 18:20 |
| danny_mk | it is on line 160 of Config.pm | 18:21 |
| @rizen | that's right | 18:22 |
| @rizen | did you upgrade to Config::JSON 1.1.0 or higher? | 18:23 |
| danny_mk | hold on, let me check | 18:24 |
| danny_mk | darnit, I have to stop asking questions. You always catch me with these simple errors that have to do with updates. | 18:25 |
| danny_mk | Config::JSON -- '1.0.3' | 18:25 |
| danny_mk | thanks | 18:26 |
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| dionak | quick question for anyone that can answer. I need to export data from a dataform object via command line. What's the most direct way to do this? Is there an existing command or script? | 20:16 |
| @preaction | use wget to call the appropriate URL? | 20:17 |
| @preaction | or curl? | 20:17 |
| dionak | idk...it might be easier to just access the db. | 20:18 |
| @preaction | the export URL gives you a csv doesn't it? | 20:18 |
| dionak | yes but i would need to have the script create a session and login before getting the url. | 20:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | why not write a utility script | 20:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | just instantiate the asset | 20:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | and call www_exportTab on it | 20:20 |
| dionak | that sounds appropriate. | 20:20 |
| dionak | i'll look into that. thanks. | 20:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | it returns the plain tab seperated file | 20:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 20:20 |
| dionak | that would be fine... | 20:21 |
| dionak | great! thanks MrHairgrease and preaction. | 20:21 |
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| rjacobsen | did you guys ever come out with a way to limit the things that would show up in the admin console for different user groups? | 21:03 |
| @rizen | yes...in 7.4 | 21:04 |
| @rizen | under settings | 21:04 |
| rjacobsen | and allow (for example) group A to make a new page | 21:04 |
| rjacobsen | but group B could not do anything | 21:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | that would be asset privs | 21:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | those are in the conf file | 21:05 |
| @rizen | not to mention the security tab in each asset | 21:05 |
| rjacobsen | yikes | 21:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | security tab? | 21:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | those settings would set who can change an asset right? | 21:06 |
| rjacobsen | i have a group and all i want to allow them to do is to create a new web page, import images(file pile) | 21:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | not who can create new instances | 21:06 |
| rjacobsen | and i would like to limit what they see in the admin console to add a new page | 21:07 |
| rjacobsen | and file pile | 21:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | you should be able to set that in the conf file | 21:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | check out the default file that comes with webgui | 21:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | i think it's socumented there | 21:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | s/s/d/ | 21:08 |
| rjacobsen | i have to get with my it for that i guess | 21:09 |
| rjacobsen | i wish they would implement the change i asked for :( | 21:09 |
| rjacobsen | where when you select a group in webgui, it would bring up a list of admin console items and you could put a check next to the ones you want displayed | 21:10 |
| rjacobsen | would make running multiple site and multiple groups very easy to manage | 21:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | you should make that an rfe | 21:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | i you haven't already | 21:12 |
| rjacobsen | i have | 21:13 |
| rjacobsen | twice | 21:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 21:13 |
| rjacobsen | and was told (by email) that it was implimented 3 patches ago | 21:13 |
| rjacobsen | and ......it has not | 21:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 21:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | i cannot comment on that | 21:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | nor do i want to | 21:14 |
| rjacobsen | lol | 21:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | i have no idea about the ins and outs | 21:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm just hip, fashionable eurotrash with loads of sex appeal =) | 21:14 |
| rjacobsen | umm..... O K | 21:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | perlbot MrHairgrease | 21:22 |
| perlbot | Martin Kamerbeek, aka MrCookingGrease, aka Eurotrash with sex appeal, and is a Contributor of the Year | 21:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | see? =) | 21:22 |
| dionak | lol | 21:28 |
| +crythia1 | hee | 21:29 |
| +crythia1 | perlbot crythias | 21:30 |
| +crythia1 | whew | 21:30 |
| @preaction_ | rjacobsen, your RFE was implemented in 7.4. In the Settings tab under the Admin console you can pick what group can see what Admin function. none of the Asset functions are affected by this though | 21:39 |
| @preaction_ | there's a new tab on the settings screen called Permissions | 21:40 |
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| rjacobsen | ok when will stable 7.4 be released? my IT guy refuses to update from 7.3.22 until the 7.4 stable is released :( | 23:18 |
| @preaction_ | from all reports: this week | 23:18 |
| @preaction_ | if something bad wrong happens, next | 23:18 |
| rjacobsen | ok cool | 23:19 |
| rjacobsen | thank you | 23:19 |
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| xootom | With one of two sites on my codebase, when I try and import a package, the log contains: Could not set uid/gid on... for every file, though the file has been uploaded and extracted. Looks like someone else had this problem with 7.3.18, and the only other reference Google returns is directly to Archive::Tar. Could it be the filesystem? | 00:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | I've seen the same thing, but upon inspection the uid/gid were set | 00:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | and everything worked | 00:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | so I guess it's not a biggie | 00:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | rizen | 00:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | when you said that I could add the import collateral data thingy | 00:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | did you mean right now? | 00:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | or should I wait for the 7.5 dev cycle? | 00:26 |
| @rizen | you can add it now as long as you're willing to test it very well. only a very small population of users actually use packages, so i don't think it will hurt much | 00:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 00:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's a very pailess procedure | 00:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | painless | 00:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | it'll take only a couple of lines | 00:29 |
| @rizen | any aussie's online today? | 00:35 |
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| xootom | MrHairgrease - yeah it seems to work just nothing appears in the asset tree | 00:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 00:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | which version are you on? | 00:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | You'll prolly get errors concerning JSON::NoString in your logs as well rigt? | 00:47 |
| xootom | 7.4.6, umm no other errors really, and my main site on the same wre is fine | 00:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm | 00:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | that bug was fixed in 7.4.6 | 00:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | dunno then | 00:51 |
| xootom | not to worry it's only a hobby site | 00:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm tsting importing packages too | 00:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | when i find something | 00:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll let you know | 00:52 |
| xootom | ok thanks :) | 00:52 |
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| @preaction_ | webgui has ads out on google adsense? | 02:57 |
| * preaction_ just ran across one | 02:57 | |
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| xdanger | hmm... I'm importing data through a script but every asset I create has it's own versionTag. Can someone help? | 08:12 |
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| @preaction_ | xdanger, pastebin your code somewhere? | 09:02 |
| @preaction_ | are you committing your version tag? | 09:02 |
| @preaction_ | are you skipping the autocommit workflows? | 09:02 |
| xdanger | I just found out about "skipAutoCommitWorkflows" | 09:03 |
| xdanger | on addChild | 09:03 |
| @preaction_ | they only happen on Post/Thread, WikiPage, or Event objects currently | 09:03 |
| xdanger | it's threads i'm importing | 09:04 |
| xdanger | wohoo... It works... kinda | 09:04 |
| xdanger | urls are not that hot... | 09:05 |
| @preaction_ | kinda? | 09:05 |
| @preaction_ | when using the API to import data, nothing gets done for you | 09:05 |
| xdanger | It doesn't do any of the automatic Thread stuff... like urls, menutitles or like that | 09:05 |
| @preaction_ | so you have to make your own url, probably using $session->url->urlize( parenturl . menuTitle ) | 09:05 |
| xdanger | but that's where edit branch comes handy ;) | 09:06 |
| @preaction_ | or that | 09:06 |
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| xdanger | it takes a long time to commit 4000 new threads =) | 10:52 |
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| SDuensin | Morning | 16:42 |
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| MrHairgreas1 | no here's a fun bug | 20:08 |
| MrHairgreas1 | if you set some asset's edit group to group X | 20:08 |
| MrHairgreas1 | and after that you delete group X | 20:08 |
| MrHairgreas1 | you won't be able to do anything with it anymore | 20:08 |
| MrHairgreas1 | since canEdit will always be false | 20:08 |
| MrHairgreas1 | unless you're the owner I think | 20:09 |
| MrHairgreas1 | the reason for this is that WebGUI::Group->new doesn't check if the groupId is actually valid | 20:09 |
| MrHairgreas1 | and will happily instantiate a new wg::group object | 20:10 |
| MrHairgreas1 | what i did to fix it is this | 20:10 |
| MrHairgreas1 | let wg::Group->new check if the groupid is valid | 20:10 |
| MrHairgreas1 | if not return undef | 20:10 |
| MrHairgreas1 | in canEdit I put a check if the group object is undef | 20:11 |
| MrHairgreas1 | if it is use the admin group | 20:11 |
| MrHairgreas1 | The thing is | 20:11 |
| MrHairgreas1 | I'm uncertain if that is the right approach? | 20:12 |
| MrHairgreas1 | any comments? | 20:12 |
| @rizen | it's certainly the right approach, but i can't say for sure that it won't break something | 20:12 |
| MrHairgreas1 | indeed | 20:13 |
| @rizen | but i think in this case better to deal with those consequences, than broken code | 20:13 |
| MrHairgreas1 | the other approch i considred | 20:13 |
| MrHairgreas1 | is let wg::group return the admin group in case of an invalid gid | 20:13 |
| MrHairgreas1 | but that seems wrong | 20:13 |
| MrHairgreas1 | otoh | 20:14 |
| @rizen | yeah, don't do that | 20:14 |
| MrHairgreas1 | that wouldn't break stuff for sure | 20:14 |
| MrHairgreas1 | but i agree with you not to do it | 20:14 |
| MrHairgreas1 | shall i fix it in svn? | 20:14 |
| MrHairgreas1 | the way i described it at first? | 20:14 |
| @rizen | yes please | 20:15 |
| MrHairgreas1 | ok | 20:15 |
| MrHairgreas1 | will do | 20:15 |
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| beatnik | at the perl conference a few weeks ago, recommended I'd take a look at webgui after my talk on the CMS I talked about.. but I have a small question.. | 21:33 |
| beatnik | is it really a good idea to include apache, perl, mysql, imagemagick and awstats in the "binary" package? | 21:33 |
| knowmad | hi beatnik, what is your concern with doing it this way? | 21:35 |
| beatnik | that it might screw up my existing perl, apache, mysql and imagemagick installation? | 21:35 |
| @rizen | there are only two points at which you can have that kind of overlap | 21:36 |
| knowmad | ports are the only problem i can see | 21:37 |
| @rizen | one is if you use a mysql config file in /etc/my.cnf | 21:37 |
| @rizen | and the other is ports | 21:37 |
| knowmad | ah, forgot about the my.cnf file | 21:37 |
| @rizen | you obviously can't have two programs running on the same port | 21:37 |
| beatnik | but is there a reason to actually include all that stuff? | 21:37 |
| @rizen | yes | 21:37 |
| @rizen | lots of reasons | 21:37 |
| @rizen | 1) most operating systems are way behind...don't have all the latest versions that we require | 21:37 |
| @rizen | mysql 5 is a big example | 21:37 |
| @rizen | for some stupid reason a lot of os's still use mysql 4 | 21:38 |
| @rizen | also apache 2 | 21:38 |
| beatnik | but if you set it as a requirement? | 21:38 |
| @rizen | for some reason a lot use 1.3 | 21:38 |
| @rizen | hold on | 21:38 |
| @rizen | and because of that, most people don't know how to compile their own versions of those things to get them up to date | 21:38 |
| @rizen | 2) the versions of software that come with operating systems are compiled and tuned for a general purpose use | 21:39 |
| @rizen | the versions that come with the wre are compiled and tuned for webgui | 21:39 |
| @rizen | 3) webgui has a lot of prereqs | 21:39 |
| @rizen | most package management systems don't include all the prereqs | 21:39 |
| @rizen | especially in the area of perl modules | 21:39 |
| @rizen | 4) because the wre has standard versions of everything, and standard file locations | 21:40 |
| @rizen | it makes it far easier for us to support | 21:40 |
| @rizen | us as a company, and us as a community | 21:40 |
| @rizen | 5) because of the complex nature of the install and config process for webgui | 21:40 |
| @rizen | most people either would never get it installed | 21:40 |
| @rizen | or it would take them a week | 21:40 |
| @rizen | the wre allows you to get it up and running in under an hour | 21:41 |
| @rizen | and the new wre takes that time to less than 10 minutes | 21:41 |
| @rizen | ok...so that's our reasoning | 21:41 |
| @rizen | go ahead and ask your questions | 21:41 |
| knowmad | For my part, I like it because it falls right in line with the Perl virute of Laziness (which I think sums up rizen's response) | 21:42 |
| beatnik | ok but let's assume that you want to run other stuff on that apache too? | 21:42 |
| beatnik | are you stuck then? | 21:43 |
| @rizen | nope | 21:43 |
| @rizen | you have three options | 21:43 |
| @rizen | 1) you can install your other stuff to run under the WRE | 21:43 |
| @rizen | 2) you can configure the WRE or your OS to use different ports so both can be running simultanously | 21:44 |
| @rizen | 3) you can run your other stuff on your own apache under some weird port, and then use the WRE's modproxy to bring it under port 80 | 21:44 |
| @rizen | we do this for example on one of our servers | 21:45 |
| @rizen | www.webgui.org is running on the WRE | 21:45 |
| beatnik | ok but in "production", running it on different ports is not an option | 21:45 |
| @rizen | and svn.webgui.org is running on a different IP and apache on the same box | 21:45 |
| @rizen | yes it is | 21:45 |
| @rizen | you can either run it on separate IPs | 21:45 |
| @rizen | like i just said | 21:45 |
| @rizen | or you can run it on a weird port, and then use modproxy to bring it into port 80 | 21:46 |
| beatnik | I understand what you mean and technically it makes sense.. | 21:46 |
| @rizen | also like i just said | 21:46 |
| @rizen | also | 21:46 |
| @rizen | there's nothing stopping you from just installing WebGUI from source | 21:46 |
| @rizen | other than a whole lot of time to get all the prereqs installed | 21:46 |
| @rizen | we don't force anybody to use the WRE | 21:46 |
| @rizen | we just recommend it because your life will be easier, guaranteed | 21:47 |
| beatnik | forgive me for being a pain in the ass :) | 21:47 |
| @rizen | you're not | 21:47 |
| @rizen | this is a common question | 21:47 |
| @rizen | because it goes outside normal thought patterns | 21:47 |
| @rizen | but this is actually becoming more and more the standard | 21:47 |
| @rizen | Damian Conway gave a speech about this very topic at OSCON this year | 21:48 |
| @rizen | do you know who he is? | 21:48 |
| beatnik | the only talk I saw Damian give this year was in Vienna about physics | 21:48 |
| beatnik | in fact, I have 2 of his books.. signed ;) | 21:48 |
| @rizen | excellent | 21:48 |
| @rizen | then you know that he's not a dumb guy | 21:48 |
| beatnik | au contraire :D | 21:49 |
| beatnik | I know that big companies are also providing "packages" | 21:49 |
| beatnik | but those packages are usually running on dedicated servers.. | 21:49 |
| @rizen | the WRE is really designed to run on a dedicated box too | 21:50 |
| @rizen | but many people share it | 21:50 |
| @rizen | including us, as i just stated | 21:50 |
| beatnik | I'm forced to think about a lot of those things too.. as I said before, I also have a CMS | 21:51 |
| @rizen | anyway...my point is that the WRE is easy, it's good, and it's useful...but you don't have to use it | 21:51 |
| @rizen | what is your CMS? | 21:51 |
| beatnik | spine | 21:51 |
| beatnik | http://spine.sf.net | 21:52 |
| beatnik | quite a bit of the same prereqs | 21:52 |
| beatnik | but not extremly specific | 21:52 |
| @rizen | it looks pretty nice | 21:53 |
| beatnik | it lacks lots of documentation | 21:53 |
| beatnik | and it's pretty much a one man show | 21:54 |
| @rizen | hmmm..perhaps we can convince you to come over to the darkside | 21:55 |
| beatnik | but the install procedure is pretty much : install the perl modules (the standard way), import database, copy images. copy config to apache conf dir (+edit) and restart | 21:55 |
| @rizen | migrate your user base into webgui, and help us make webgui a better product | 21:55 |
| beatnik | :) | 21:55 |
| beatnik | very tempting.. now if I even had a userbase ;) | 21:55 |
| beatnik | I've been working on this for the past 7 years.. after that long, I'm not eager to change | 21:56 |
| @rizen | understood | 21:56 |
| @rizen | won't mention it agian | 21:56 |
| @rizen | s/agian/again/ | 21:56 |
| beatnik | no prob for asking.. | 21:56 |
| beatnik | it's more of a therapy for me.. but your colleague webgui user told me to look into webgui and I will | 21:57 |
| @rizen | man..it's amazing how similar that looks to the early webgui days | 21:58 |
| @rizen | looking at screenshots now | 21:59 |
| beatnik | the look pretty much remained unchanged since the early days | 21:59 |
| beatnik | I should have a link to the presentation handy | 21:59 |
| @rizen | hehe...we used to do the enter to <br> thing too | 21:59 |
| @rizen | we also used to use the unix-like privilege system | 22:00 |
| @rizen | very cool | 22:00 |
| beatnik | what made you change? | 22:00 |
| @rizen | lots and lots of user experience | 22:00 |
| @rizen | feedback | 22:00 |
| @rizen | webgui is very much a product of our users | 22:00 |
| @rizen | there are about 10,000 deployments of webgui world wide | 22:01 |
| beatnik | see.. I dont have that feedback.. unfortunatly | 22:01 |
| @rizen | we're the most widely deployed modperl2 app on the planet | 22:01 |
| @rizen | what have you done to promote your community? | 22:01 |
| @rizen | or are you not doing it simply because it's therapy for you? | 22:02 |
| @rizen | wow we used to have the file manager thing too | 22:02 |
| beatnik | promotion is not all that easy.. | 22:02 |
| @rizen | although we called it collateral manager | 22:02 |
| @rizen | but it looked very very similar | 22:02 |
| beatnik | actually, the filemanager is a more recent addition | 22:02 |
| beatnik | recent as in.. last 2 years or so | 22:03 |
| @rizen | 2 years ago is when we got rid of ours | 22:03 |
| @rizen | we moved to something we call the asset tree | 22:03 |
| @rizen | which is kind of a virtual filesystem | 22:03 |
| @rizen | but in this way, files, images, templates, and content can all be comingled | 22:04 |
| beatnik | what I did to promote it: cmsmatrix, talked about it at yapc, blogged about it, put it in mod_perl app list | 22:04 |
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| @rizen | do you also publish press releases to cmsinfo.org, and newsforge? | 22:04 |
| @rizen | also, get linked on oscom.org | 22:04 |
| beatnik | nope.. | 22:04 |
| @rizen | all the things you did are good | 22:05 |
| beatnik | I'm even porting back to CGI too ;) | 22:05 |
| @rizen | also, regular releases to freshmeat.net are a big help | 22:05 |
| beatnik | this is why I like communities :) | 22:06 |
| beatnik | http://www.ldl48.org/hendrik/Introduction.ppt # presentation I did at yapc... | 22:07 |
| @rizen | i spoke at YAPC::NA last year too | 22:08 |
| @rizen | it's good, but it's a bit like preaching to the choir | 22:09 |
| @rizen | also, it's hard to get the word out about a cms these days | 22:09 |
| @rizen | there are an estimated 2,000 content products on the market | 22:09 |
| @rizen | downloading your pres | 22:10 |
| knowmad | rizen, where did you get that figure? | 22:10 |
| @rizen | yahoo | 22:10 |
| @rizen | they did a study of it a while back | 22:10 |
| @rizen | and published the study on developer.yahoo.com or something like that i believe | 22:10 |
| beatnik | there are quite a bit out there indeed | 22:10 |
| knowmad | that's some heavy competition but also good for us integrators to throw around ;) | 22:10 |
| @rizen | there are over 800 of them listed on cmsmatrix.org alone | 22:11 |
| beatnik | when I started, there were a handful | 22:11 |
| beatnik | setup: "dev only" ? | 22:12 |
| @rizen | yup, same as me | 22:13 |
| knowmad | has anyone here integrated the suckerfish menus into webgui navigation template? | 22:13 |
| @rizen | beatnik, i think that spine will run quite well under the WRE | 22:14 |
| @rizen | probably much faster than you're used to | 22:14 |
| beatnik | BTW suggestion: the setup process probably can use the ****** thingie for the mysql passwd | 22:14 |
| @rizen | even if you don't want to have anything to do with WebGUI, you might want to check out the WRE | 22:14 |
| @rizen | true | 22:14 |
| beatnik | I'll see if I can document on how to get it running on wre.. once I get it installed | 22:14 |
| beatnik | "Do you have WebGUI local or should I get it from a mirror?" What is the correct answer on this one.. and why? | 22:29 |
| @rizen | mirror | 22:31 |
| @rizen | local means you've already downloaded it | 22:31 |
| @rizen | that wording has been improved in the 0.8 installer | 22:31 |
| beatnik | aah.. is there a way to restart it? | 22:31 |
| @rizen | unfortunately not with 0.7 | 22:31 |
| @rizen | the install process was messy and error prone | 22:31 |
| @rizen | i'd recommend playing with the 0.8 technology preview version | 22:32 |
| @rizen | it's much better | 22:32 |
| @rizen | and will be out as stable in less than a month | 22:32 |
| @rizen | http://www.plainblack.com/downloads/builds/wre/ | 22:32 |
| @rizen | the only caveat if you decide to use it is that if you're on a linux platform you need to comment out line 41 in wreconsole.pl | 22:33 |
| @rizen | that's fixed in the real version, but not in the tech preview version | 22:33 |
| beatnik | downloading.. | 22:33 |
| beatnik | macosx here | 22:33 |
| @rizen | ok, with macosx the special notes you need to follow are in the install.txt | 22:34 |
| @rizen | you just have to comment out two lines for osx | 22:34 |
| @rizen | and that is automated in the final version also | 22:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | beatnick: have you been talking to Jesse at the yapc? | 22:45 |
| beatnik | good question.. I have his card somewhere | 22:47 |
| beatnik | I believe he was american tho | 22:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | he's from australia | 22:47 |
| beatnik | mmm lemme see if I can dig up his card | 22:48 |
| beatnik | he pointed me to this channel :) | 22:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | muyst be him | 22:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | he's the only webgui guy I know to have been there | 22:48 |
| @rizen | he's not american though | 22:50 |
| @rizen | he's australian | 22:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | so I said =) | 22:50 |
| @rizen | oh crap | 22:51 |
| @rizen | sorry | 22:51 |
| beatnik | found card..yes, jesse kinroy-smith | 22:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | cool | 22:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | he was on his euro trip | 22:53 |
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| beatnik | if you fancy seeing the conference pics, I can probably point you to some links | 22:55 |
| @rizen | cool | 22:55 |
| @rizen | beatnik, if you play around with webgui, and have any feedback for us, i'd love to hear about it | 22:55 |
| beatnik | I will play and feed back :) | 22:56 |
| beatnik | http://use.perl.org/~barbie/journal/34454 | 22:56 |
| beatnik | barbies pics | 22:56 |
| @rizen | it's always interesting to get feedback from someone who has going through the same trials and tribulations we have | 22:56 |
| beatnik | same on this side.. | 22:57 |
| beatnik | http://picasaweb.google.com/hendrik.vanbelleghem/ # see Vienna City and Conference pics | 22:57 |
| beatnik | the "install wizard" idea has been stuck in my head for a few months too.. found it a bit tricky to do for me tho | 22:58 |
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| @rizen | feel free to steal ideas | 23:05 |
| @rizen | just give credit if any is due | 23:06 |
| beatnik | obviously.. | 23:08 |
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| +MrHairgrease | rizen | 23:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | do you want to issue a warn if a nonexistant groupId is used? | 23:51 |
| @rizen | yup | 23:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 23:54 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I take it the importCollateralAssetData thing should not be labeled fix? | 00:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | or should it | 00:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | in the changelog | 00:06 |
| @rizen | why not? | 00:08 |
| @rizen | it is a fix | 00:08 |
| @rizen | the api was broken | 00:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | i thought so too | 00:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | but i sensed from your response the other day that it was not completely =) | 00:09 |
| * MrHairgrease start cleaning his crystal sphere | 00:09 | |
| @rizen | well i'm a little hesitant because it is an api change even though it's fixing the broken api | 00:14 |
| @rizen | and my biggest concern is that i want 7.4 rock solid going into the wuc | 00:15 |
| @rizen | so therefore it's imperative that you test everything very thoroughly | 00:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | you mean the group thing? | 00:17 |
| @rizen | i mean ANYTHING you check in to svn | 00:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | sure | 00:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | I always test before comitting | 00:17 |
| @rizen | i don't mean usual testing | 00:17 |
| @rizen | i mean hard core wrack your brain testing | 00:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 00:18 |
| @rizen | like i said, i need 7.4 to be absolutely solid going into the wuc | 00:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | about the import thing i'm harcorewreckedgazillionpercent sure it won't break | 00:18 |
| @rizen | pb has spent a lot of time and energy on this, so i wouldn't want anything else to influence it | 00:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | The group thing will cause all kinds of hell if it is not fixed | 00:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | more exact | 00:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | the kinds of hell I have been debugging this afternoon =) | 00:19 |
| @rizen | i'm glad you're looking into that | 00:19 |
| @rizen | please don't check it in until you're sure it's 1000000000000009999.9999% fixed | 00:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | for the import thing I am | 00:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | the group fix however is very hard to be that certain that nothing will break | 00:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | b/c it's used pretty often | 00:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | however | 00:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | if things bork with this fix | 00:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | they will do so noticably | 00:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | in stead of silently f*ck shit up | 00:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | as is the case now | 00:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the import thing is in | 00:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | the group thing you may decide on | 00:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | wnat the diffs? | 00:37 |
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| cap10morgan | exporting data form submissions as tab delimited spits them out in totally random order | 02:11 |
| cap10morgan | I've looked at the code and it's sorting by sequenceNumber in the sql query | 02:11 |
| cap10morgan | but it doesn't end up that way in the tab delimited | 02:11 |
| cap10morgan | is that a known issue? (in 7.3.22) | 02:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | cap10morgan | 02:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | check the changelogs | 02:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | if it is not in there | 02:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's probably not known =) | 02:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt | 02:39 |
| cap10morgan | thanks MHg | 02:41 |
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| rjacobsen | i just went and did a test site in webgui to see the changes coming and apparently you guys did not understand my rfe.... | 17:28 |
| rjacobsen | when someone logs in with "turn admin on" for instance... they should only see what they are allowed to do in the new content/admin console window.... | 17:30 |
| rjacobsen | so now im logged in with a limited account and i have a whole list of stuff to be able to do under "New Content", but all of it except a few items say "Permission Denied" | 17:31 |
| rjacobsen | so why not just hide what that user group cannot do? | 17:31 |
| xootom | that sounds like an rfe i created at http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/hide-new-content-side-panel-for-non-privileged-users#-kBnY4ZNMM8V1FNOgrT3ig | 17:32 |
| rjacobsen | well I have had my RFE posted twice now and they finally make it live and it doesnt have the fix I was asking for :( .... I think the "New Content" section should only display what that user/group is allowed to do to eliminate many headaches | 17:39 |
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| xootom | it does respect what the user's group is allowed to do, i.e. which wobjects they're allowed to add, e.g. i've only got about 6 for most users, so they only see article etc in the new content menu, and when i'm logged in i see sql report etc | 17:45 |
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| xootom | my rfe was that the new content panel should be hidden, like when youre on the user profile page, when you're on a page you don't have access to add new content onto, is that the same as your rfe? | 17:46 |
| rjacobsen | ya basically - i dont think the limited user should see anything they are not allowed to do - and with running 24 sites in webgui, and adding 14 more in the next month, I am sure you can see the tech support issues this can cause | 17:50 |
| rjacobsen | easiest way to eliminate questions is to never let them see the source of the question in the first place | 17:51 |
| xootom | i just reread your original message, you say that limited users can see certain wobjects that they don't have access to add, e.g. they can see sql report if they aren't in a group that can add it? that doesn't happen with me, which version are you running | 17:51 |
| rjacobsen | i was just using the test version of 7.4.6 (demo site in webgui) | 17:53 |
| rjacobsen | and when i log into the limited user account I can see everything under the New Content heading | 17:53 |
| xootom | how did you add the privileges for different types of content to the demo site on webgui? e.g. to give only admins sql form: "assetAddPrivilege" : { "WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::SQLForm" : "3" }, | 17:54 |
| xootom | in the config file | 17:54 |
| rjacobsen | i dont think i can access the config file in the test site | 17:54 |
| xootom | i think turn admin on users would have access to add all asset types if it's not set in the config file | 17:55 |
| rjacobsen | http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1190211545_960/ is the site - test is the username and 1234 is the password | 17:55 |
| xootom | yes that user will have permission to add any type of asset... but yes it's the problem in my rfe, that it doesn't hide the new content panel for pages the user isn't an editor of | 17:57 |
| rjacobsen | i think the "New Content" menu should reflect what only that group can do, or simply not show at all | 17:58 |
| xootom | i agree, you could add some karma to my rfe :) | 17:58 |
| rjacobsen | i burned all mine on my last one :( | 18:00 |
| rjacobsen | gave you my last 10 karma lol | 18:00 |
| xootom | :-) lol | 18:01 |
| rjacobsen | well have a good day.... time for me to get back to work | 18:05 |
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| rjacobsen | good morning all - I was interested possibly in purchasing the webgui content managers guide for webgui and making it into a simple pdf to put on a web page for the 20+ site holders we have inside our main webgui platform to use | 19:09 |
| rjacobsen | is this possible? | 19:09 |
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| rjacobsen | we make the site, and host them for our dealers, and i was wanting to put some documentation on how to do stuff inside the sites | 19:10 |
| rjacobsen | the webgui content managers guide seems to fit the bill if i were allowed to buy a copy and make it available on an online web page that only our dealers could see | 19:10 |
| rjacobsen | in like a pdf format they could read and use for guidance | 19:11 |
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| xootom | i've seen that asked before and i'm pretty sure it's a no no | 19:29 |
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| danny_mk | http://www.webgui.org/downloads/builds/7.4.6-beta/api/HTML.html | 20:19 |
| danny_mk | look at the makeParameterSafe method | 20:20 |
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| danny_mk | OK, is there a good way to sanitize or "makeParameterSafe" from a posted form? | 20:40 |
| danny_mk | I guess I am going to have to do it with JavaScript before I post to the form. | 20:54 |
| danny_mk | s/post to the form/submit the form/ | 20:54 |
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| wgGuest98 | I need basic help from anyone - I have a basic Jpg image Im loading to be the entire page but I have a text field to the left which is pushing my image to the right. How do I remove this text field | 20:59 |
| wgGuest98 | See it at - http://www.vacumi.com/playerspack | 20:59 |
| danny_mk | OK, that is easy. | 21:00 |
| wgGuest98 | cool - how? | 21:01 |
| danny_mk | create a style that only contains the basic html and within the body tag put <tmpl_var body.content> | 21:03 |
| wgGuest98 | Sorry to be so stupid, but is this creating a new design template and how do I do this? | 21:05 |
| danny_mk | OK, turn admin on | 21:06 |
| wgGuest98 | yep | 21:07 |
| danny_mk | Under the admin console click on assets | 21:07 |
| wgGuest98 | done | 21:07 |
| danny_mk | click on the root node | 21:08 |
| wgGuest98 | ok | 21:08 |
| danny_mk | click on the "import node" | 21:09 |
| wgGuest98 | ok | 21:09 |
| danny_mk | under new content click on Folder and call your folder "my templates" or whatever you prefer | 21:10 |
| wgGuest98 | ok | 21:12 |
| danny_mk | click on the folder so that you can put your new template there | 21:13 |
| danny_mk | sorry template = style | 21:13 |
| wgGuest98 | ok | 21:13 |
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| danny_mk | under new content click "Template" | 21:14 |
| wgGuest98 | k | 21:15 |
| danny_mk | Enter a name for the template but make sure that you use a url for the style like "mystyles/blank" and that the Namespace is set to "style" | 21:16 |
| danny_mk | then within the body simply put <html><head><title>myStyle</title></head><body><tmpl_var body.content></body></html> | 21:17 |
| danny_mk | well, actually myStyle should probably read "Players Pack" | 21:19 |
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| wgGuest43 | this window timed out on me - I have a few questions about the style template | 21:21 |
| danny_mk | ok | 21:22 |
| wgGuest43 | So for title - Im calling it "HTML jpg page" | 21:22 |
| wgGuest43 | For menu title - blank? | 21:22 |
| wgGuest43 | For URL - playerspack/blank? | 21:22 |
| wgGuest43 | Namespace - style | 21:23 |
| wgGuest43 | Template - <html><head><title>Playerpack</title></head><body><tmpl_var body.content></body></html> | 21:23 |
| danny_mk | you can use whatever you want there, the important thing is to remember to keep the namespace as "style" and the url something you will remember "playerspack/blank" is good | 21:23 |
| wgGuest43 | ok | 21:23 |
| wgGuest43 | what about the template part as - <html><head><title>Playerpack</title></head><body><tmpl_var body.content></body></html> | 21:24 |
| wgGuest43 | thanks for the help by the way. | 21:25 |
| danny_mk | then, go to the page and change the style template to "playerspack/blank" | 21:25 |
| wgGuest43 | ok, let me try this. | 21:26 |
| wgGuest43 | actually - sorry but where on the page do I do this? | 21:26 |
| danny_mk | go into the asset tree | 21:27 |
| wgGuest43 | ok | 21:27 |
| danny_mk | and click on the edit link for the page playerspack | 21:27 |
| wgGuest43 | Not seeing that | 21:28 |
| danny_mk | http://www.vacumi.com/root?func=manageAssets | 21:29 |
| wgGuest43 | ok | 21:29 |
| danny_mk | try: http://www.vacumi.com/playespack?func=edit;proceed=manageAssets | 21:30 |
| wgGuest43 | ok | 21:30 |
| wgGuest43 | change the style template and printable style to HTML jpg page? | 21:31 |
| wgGuest43 | sweet! | 21:32 |
| danny_mk | don't worry about the printable style. | 21:32 |
| danny_mk | don't forget to commit your changes | 21:33 |
| wgGuest43 | ok, that is awesome. Thank you very much - you're worth your weight in gold! | 21:33 |
| danny_mk | no problem. Have to run. good luck. | 21:33 |
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| xootom | can anyone tell me, is it possible to execute a script if the admin deletes a user? there appear to be "on create user" and "on update user" settings, but not deletion | 18:27 |
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| ckotil | im pretty sure its on the list of things to do | 18:41 |
| ckotil | some of the code is alredy in place. | 18:42 |
| ckotil | all thats missing is the actual script execution and UI stuff. | 18:42 |
| xootom | ahh no problem thanks | 18:44 |
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| dapperedodo | /msg nickserv link dodo 10bier | 12:25 |
| dapperedodo | set email irc@dapperedodo.com | 12:25 |
| @preaction | uh... you might want to change that password | 12:26 |
| dapperedodo | already done:) | 12:30 |
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| cap10morgan | danny_mk: you there? | 20:57 |
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| danny_mk | I am here now! | 21:42 |
| danny_mk | I at at work and use a KVM switch to go between my desktop and my notebook (this system) | 21:43 |
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| cap10morgan | danny_mk: hey | 22:08 |
| cap10morgan | i sent you a message on webgui.org | 22:08 |
| cap10morgan | about your OpenID module | 22:08 |
| cap10morgan | I think it's great and I want to help get it included in core | 22:09 |
| cap10morgan | are you going to the WUC? | 22:09 |
| danny_mk | I will try to get there | 22:10 |
| danny_mk | not sure yet | 22:10 |
| danny_mk | I am guessing you have used it right? | 22:11 |
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| cap10morgan | yes, i have | 22:54 |
| danny_mk | cool | 22:54 |
| cap10morgan | i'm planning to roll it out to 70+ sites :) | 22:54 |
| cap10morgan | so i'd love to see it get included in core | 22:54 |
| danny_mk | I actually think it is a great approach for authentication | 22:55 |
| cap10morgan | i'm hoping we can organize a little pet-RFE boot camp at the wuc where PB staff can help us get our favorite RFE's ready for core inclusion in 7.5 | 22:55 |
| cap10morgan | (or maybe 7.6 by then) | 22:55 |
| danny_mk | I use a few different containers and languages, I would like to manage my users with one tool and provide authentication and authorization across my projects | 22:55 |
| cap10morgan | yeah, definitely | 22:55 |
| danny_mk | well, let me know if you are doing the pet-RFE, I am not sure if I will be able to make the WUC but I am trying | 22:56 |
| cap10morgan | ok, will do | 22:57 |
| cap10morgan | i posted a patch for OpenId.pm | 22:57 |
| danny_mk | I thought I fixed the protocol issue in the latest release | 22:57 |
| cap10morgan | did you see that? | 22:57 |
| danny_mk | no | 22:57 |
| cap10morgan | it basically makes it so you can enter me.domain.com, http://me.domain.com, or http://me.domain.com/ and it'll work | 22:57 |
| danny_mk | Are you sure the fix was not included in my latest release? | 22:57 |
| cap10morgan | well, it wasn't working :) | 22:58 |
| cap10morgan | when did you upload the latest? | 22:58 |
| danny_mk | hmm.... I thought I fixed that. Let me check my copy. | 22:58 |
| danny_mk | Hmmm.... I don't see the fix in my version | 23:00 |
| danny_mk | I will have to look for the patch. | 23:00 |
| danny_mk | Ah, you put it in the actual authentication module. | 23:01 |
| danny_mk | it should really go in the Macro instead. | 23:02 |
| cap10morgan | danny_mk: i'm hoping to use the module outside the macro in some things i'm working on | 23:16 |
| cap10morgan | so more forgiveness of the data at that level benefits me | 23:16 |
| danny_mk | OK, but remember. You need to sanitize the data your passing to the module before you use the module. | 23:20 |
| cap10morgan | sure, but one of things that my patch fixes is the data entry in the user edit form | 23:20 |
| cap10morgan | it sanitizes that a little | 23:21 |
| cap10morgan | (just checks for "http://" on the front and adds it if it's not there) | 23:21 |
| cap10morgan | so that the form it's stored in in the database is more similar to what the openid provider sends back | 23:21 |
| danny_mk | Ah, you mean when a user admin is editing that field for a user | 23:22 |
| cap10morgan | i also changed it so that it uses the value it gets back from the provider as the url it looks up in the db | 23:22 |
| cap10morgan | yep | 23:22 |
| cap10morgan | that helps sanitize it for free | 23:22 |
| cap10morgan | since the provider will usually send back the "canonical" form | 23:22 |
| cap10morgan | then the only other thing it does is see if there is a trailing slash on the entry (in the login macro field) and puts a "?" after in a regexp or a "/?" if there's not one | 23:23 |
| cap10morgan | that way the db value can have a trailing slash or not and it will still work | 23:23 |
| cap10morgan | since it seems like that's always going to a thorn in peoples' sides, regardless of what the spec says | 23:24 |
| danny_mk | OK. I will take a look at the patch later. I have to finish this online test before I go home tonight :-( | 23:24 |
| cap10morgan | ok, no worries | 23:24 |
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| diakopter | http://blogs.technet.com/askperf/archive/2007/09/18/internet-explorer-a-bigger-cookie-jar.aspx | 04:54 |
| diakopter | that could explain many of the IE issues I've experienced with web apps over the last decade. | 04:55 |
| diakopter | also http://therealcrisp.xs4all.nl/blog/2007/02/12/ie-and-2-letter-domain-names/ | 04:58 |
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| +Radix_ | Well I'm back home now :) | 09:54 |
| +Radix_ | hey dapperedodo :) | 09:54 |
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| dapperedodo | hai | 09:55 |
| AMH_bob | haai | 09:55 |
| +Radix_ | :) | 09:55 |
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| +Radix_ | Arrived back from London last night | 09:56 |
| +Radix_ | Was an awesome trip :) | 09:56 |
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| sno | In the Project Tracker discussion forum, is there a way to exclude closed tickets/discussions from the display? | 17:27 |
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| danny_mk | Has anyone run into problems passing quoted strings that contain commas to db->execute([@_]); in a macro? | 19:10 |
| @preaction | does it make it to the macro? the macro parser is a regular expression that sometimes doesn't do things exactly right (but it's faster than the alternative) | 19:11 |
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| danny_mk | yup, I had to write a wrapper around the FormParam just in case someone submitted a form with commas in the text | 19:45 |
| danny_mk | I am sure there is another way to do it I just had to get this done quickly | 19:45 |
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| dionak | i'm trying to create a theme for webgui but i'm having some trouble exporting the associated images. i packaged them up with the styles and templates but upon importing them into another system, the images aren't there. | 20:19 |
| dionak | i tried downloading a theme from add-ons and am getting the same thing | 20:19 |
| dionak | has anyone else experienced this? | 20:19 |
| dionak | or is it just me? | 20:20 |
| dionak | when i go to view an image, i get redirected to /uploads/.... and get a 404 | 20:20 |
| @preaction | check the error log? | 20:20 |
| dionak | looking... | 20:21 |
| @preaction | perlbot step 1 | 20:21 |
| @preaction | perlbot step 1 is No matter what, step 1 is always "Check the Error Log" | 20:21 |
| perlbot | added step 1 to the database | 20:21 |
| dionak | thanks.. | 20:22 |
| dionak | Could not set uid/gid on '/data/WebGUI/www/uploads/sF/OV/sFOVQaxRwTFa7z-Ypu2ONA/comment.gif' | 20:22 |
| dionak | Couldn't read image to check the size of it: Exception 495: Unable to access configuration file (magic.mgk) | 20:22 |
| @preaction | haven't seen that one before | 20:23 |
| dionak | they are on my system...in the uploads | 20:24 |
| dionak | perhaps that last error is in relation to a failure to make thumbs? | 20:24 |
| @preaction | yes | 20:25 |
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| @rizen | dionak that means you're using the wre 0.8 alpha | 23:15 |
| @rizen | and graphics magick is broken in that | 23:16 |
| dionak | isn't WG moving to another graphic lib? | 23:16 |
| @rizen | yes, graphics magick | 23:16 |
| dionak | maybe i need to set that up instead? | 23:16 |
| dionak | oh | 23:16 |
| @rizen | no, that's what's in the WRE 0.8 alpha | 23:16 |
| @rizen | it's missing a config file | 23:17 |
| dionak | hm, any advice? | 23:17 |
| @rizen | create a file at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/GraphicsMagick-1.1.7/config/magic.mgk | 23:17 |
| @rizen | and put this into it: | 23:17 |
| @rizen | <?xml version="1.0"?> | 23:17 |
| @rizen | <magicmap> | 23:17 |
| @rizen | </magicmap> | 23:17 |
| @rizen | but you shouldn't be using 0.8 in prod yet | 23:18 |
| dionak | we're not. we're using it for in house dev | 23:18 |
| dionak | on our local boxes | 23:18 |
| @rizen | ok | 23:21 |
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| @rizen | there will be a new alpha out at the end of the week that fixes the problem directly | 23:21 |
| @rizen | but you can fix it by just doing that | 23:21 |
| @rizen | the new alpha will also support windows | 23:22 |
| dionak | cool. i'm giving it a try. | 23:22 |
| dionak | yes, i heard! i'm excited about that despite my lack of love for windows. | 23:22 |
| dionak | i have had an issue with modproxy since installing the new alpha but it seems likely to be an apache issue. i'm trying to run it on port 8080 but modproxy continues to try to connect to port 80 | 23:29 |
| dionak | eventually, i'll get a chance to look into it further | 23:30 |
| @rizen | there are several places that you need to change that port number | 23:33 |
| @rizen | did you do it during the install? or did you do it after the fact? | 23:34 |
| @rizen | if you do it during the install then webgui should take care of modifying it everywhere | 23:34 |
| dionak | during the install | 23:34 |
| @rizen | s/webgui/wre/ | 23:34 |
| @rizen | hmm | 23:34 |
| @rizen | ok i'll have to have a look at that | 23:34 |
| dionak | i took a look at WRE::ModProxy and printed out the start command. it appears to be passing in the correct conf /data/wre/etc/modproxy.conf | 23:35 |
| dionak | which defines Listen as 127.0.0.1:8080. then i checked my included configs. not sure what's happening. | 23:36 |
| dionak | that's what made me wonder if it was an apache thing | 23:36 |
| dionak | The "Could not set uid/gid" from earlier is coming from Archive::Tar (Storage.pm) | 23:50 |
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| @rizen | is your uploads folder recursively owned by the user that you set the WRE to run as? | 00:00 |
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| dionak | WebGUI/www/uploads/ was but domain/../public/uploads wasn't. fixed that but still see the error from Archive::Tar. | 00:10 |
| @rizen | also check your uploadsPath in your config file | 00:11 |
| @rizen | that's also broken in alpha3 | 00:11 |
| dionak | ok | 00:11 |
| dionak | it looks correct in my site.conf (/data/WebGUI/etc). The file I'm looking for exists in /data/WebGUI/www/uploads. i'm noticing a 'data' dir in domains/dev.localhost.localdomain/public/uploads/. | 00:15 |
| dionak | my site config reads "uploadsPath" : "/data/WebGUI/www/uploads", | 00:16 |
| @preaction | i think that's a bug, i get that a lot with the new WRE | 00:17 |
| @preaction | the misconfigured uploadsPath | 00:17 |
| dionak | what should it be? | 00:17 |
| @preaction | the /data/domains/<yourdomain>/public/uploads | 00:17 |
| dionak | ah | 00:17 |
| dionak | ok, this is looking a lot better. :) | 00:23 |
| dionak | i'll make a note of that bug and pass the info around the office. thanks for your help! | 00:23 |
| dionak | would you like me to file a bug or is there one already? | 00:23 |
| @preaction | go ahead i think, i'm not sure if it really is one | 00:24 |
| dionak | ok | 00:24 |
| @preaction | you get the karma, but also get the backlash ;) | 00:25 |
| dionak | lol, is that why there's not one? haha | 00:25 |
| @preaction | no, i'm just the wrong kind of lazy that way | 00:26 |
| @preaction | perlbot laziness | 00:26 |
| perlbot | The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. | 00:26 |
| @rizen | it's already fixed | 00:26 |
| @rizen | in 0.8 alpha 4 | 00:26 |
| dionak | nice, that's my kind of lazy. cool, thanks rizen | 00:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the ^GooeyDate; macro is broken on pb.com | 23:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://www.plainblack.com/wg/contribute | 23:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | bottom of page | 23:51 |
| @rizen | i'll fix it | 23:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | below the poll | 23:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 23:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | hey the wuc sold out | 23:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | coolio! | 23:52 |
| @rizen | fixed | 23:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | Now it says 'Hi!' | 23:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | shouldn't it display an octopus or something like that? | 23:54 |
| @rizen | man you're picky | 23:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | just practicing for the stump the chump session | 23:55 |
| @rizen | fixed | 23:59 |
| @rizen | i haven't tested yet though | 23:59 |
| @rizen | so give me a sec | 23:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | it works | 23:59 |
| @rizen | yay | 23:59 |
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| @rizen | i can't believe that the WUC sold out this year | 00:04 |
| @rizen | it's great | 00:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | so | 00:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | how many seats are there? | 00:05 |
| @rizen | 50 | 00:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 00:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | cool | 00:05 |
| @rizen | well for the conference there are 50 | 00:05 |
| @rizen | 10 each for the two workshops | 00:05 |
| @rizen | but those are supposed to be smaller | 00:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | Joeri and I are going to watch Henri Rollins wednesday | 00:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | in the barrymore theatre | 00:06 |
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| @rizen | nice | 00:06 |
| @rizen | Have you ever seen him? | 00:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 00:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | but | 00:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | i know his spoken word stuff | 00:06 |
| @rizen | Is he doing spoken word stuff, or the henry rollins band? | 00:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | spoken word | 00:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | which is much btter | 00:06 |
| @rizen | yeah | 00:06 |
| @rizen | the band is ok, but the spoken word stuff is much better | 00:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | muscially henri was at his best in Black Flag | 00:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | which is easily one of the mostest bestest bands ever | 00:07 |
| @rizen | i've got comedy club tickets for friday night for the entire dutch team and pb staff | 00:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | cool | 00:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | is it like the amsterdam thing? | 00:07 |
| @rizen | not improve | 00:08 |
| @rizen | improv | 00:08 |
| @rizen | it's a stage act | 00:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 00:08 |
| @rizen | so standard comedy stand-up stuff | 00:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | cool | 00:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | i never go to that stuff in holland | 00:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | stand-up is not really part of dutch culture | 00:08 |
| @rizen | could you pass the word about that to the rest of the dutch team so they don't plan anything for friday night? | 00:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | sure | 00:09 |
| @rizen | thanks | 00:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll send them a mail | 00:09 |
| @rizen | i've got dinner reservations for all of you too | 00:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | great | 00:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | I like to eat =) | 00:09 |
| @rizen | it's at the best steak place in madison | 00:10 |
| @rizen | or at least as far as i'm concerned...it's the best | 00:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | Won't argue with the master =) | 00:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm really looking forward to the wuc | 00:12 |
| @preaction | infect us with your strange currency and your crazy "passeporte" | 00:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | you mean our beautiful and eurotrashy 'paspoort' right? | 00:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 00:16 |
| @preaction | you said the e-word, not me | 00:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm not blaming you for not saying it | 00:17 |
| @preaction | oh, we were ALL thinking it ;) | 00:18 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no shit | 02:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | there's a wg user on antarctica | 02:09 |
| cap10morgan_ | any chance we could have an "RFE marathon" at the WUC? | 02:09 |
| cap10morgan_ | i.e. hole up in a room one night, pick our favorite RFE, PB staff helps us get it ready for possible inclusion | 02:10 |
| cap10morgan_ | we code until we drop | 02:10 |
| cap10morgan_ | :) | 02:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | there's the hackathon | 02:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | which is well suited for that | 02:10 |
| cap10morgan_ | true | 02:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://www.plainblack.com/wuc/wiki/hackathon | 02:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'll prolly work on some project of my own then | 02:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that'll be cool too | 02:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | although you might not need it =) | 02:11 |
| cap10morgan_ | on that list now :) | 02:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | cool | 02:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hey jesse | 02:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | you finished your eurotrip? | 02:13 |
| cap10morgan_ | should this RFE's difficulty be adjusted in light of the implementation that danny_mk did: http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/openid#mRsVPo4-VT3Cv61eV1rRcw ? | 02:14 |
| +Radix_ | Hey Martin! - yup, back at work now - and just heading off now actually :) | 02:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 02:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm thinking of going to bed =) | 02:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | see you later | 02:53 |
| +Radix_ | see ya :) | 02:54 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings | 16:21 |
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| rizen_ | salutations | 16:48 |
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| SDuensin | Hey rizen | 16:49 |
| @rizen | how goes it sd? | 16:50 |
| SDuensin | Slowly. :-) | 16:51 |
| SDuensin | Hey, got a question for you... | 16:51 |
| SDuensin | Can I make WebGUI run the same site with multiple brands at one time? ... | 16:51 |
| SDuensin | For example, if people visit "site1.com" they get different content and themes than "site2.com", however, both sites use the same assets so I don't have to maintain them separately. | 16:52 |
| @rizen | yes | 16:53 |
| @rizen | that's what plainblack.com and webgui.org do | 16:53 |
| @rizen | they are the same physical webgui site | 16:53 |
| SDuensin | What about content? If there's a forum on one, it'll be the same as on the other - right? | 16:55 |
| SDuensin | (That's not what I want.) | 16:55 |
| SDuensin | I've got a project that will have around six sites. When I add features to one, I don't want to have to copy it manually into the others. However, I want their content to be separate. Make sense? | 16:55 |
| @rizen | Huh? | 17:01 |
| @rizen | So are you saying you want the same assets on all the sites, but you want the content of those assets to be different? | 17:02 |
| SDuensin | Yea. Weird, eh? :-) | 17:13 |
| xootom | isn't that just sharing a single code base using wre to addsite? | 17:18 |
| @rizen | you can't maintain the same assets with two separate sets of content | 17:19 |
| SDuensin | Kinda, xootom, but I want the site layout to persist. | 17:19 |
| SDuensin | rizen - I figured that was the case. | 17:19 |
| @rizen | an instance of an asset includes the content | 17:19 |
| @rizen | however, what you could do is make packages out of the first site | 17:19 |
| @rizen | and deploy those packages to the other 5 sites | 17:20 |
| SDuensin | Guess I get to build one and hire a peon to copy it to the others. :-) | 17:20 |
| @rizen | so at least during the creation process | 17:20 |
| @rizen | you wouldn't have to copy the settings | 17:20 |
| SDuensin | rizen - That was my thought. | 17:20 |
| xootom | the package idea, import into the other site and you could asset proxy in the theme components if they had the same url, and it would look different in each site? | 17:21 |
| SDuensin | I have a few ideas that are close enough to actually make money from. Problem is getting started. | 17:23 |
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| elnino | hi. is there a way to produce a report of all the filepile assets? | 17:34 |
| @rizen | filepile is a meta asset, so it creates other assets, namely files and images | 17:35 |
| @rizen | you could do something like this: | 17:35 |
| @rizen | select * from asset where className like 'WebGUI::Asset::File%'; | 17:35 |
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| elnino | sweet. Thanks! | 17:37 |
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| elnino | in an rss object, is there a way to get more choices in the edit field that uses tinymce? I have about 5 buttons for choices. but I'll like to see all of them hat I see when I edit an article. | 18:17 |
| elnino | my settings are already guru. | 18:22 |
| elnino | never mind, I had to set the settings of the CS system to content manager | 18:26 |
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| xootom | i've got a collaboration system using the weblog template, it shows the first bit of the thread then a read more link, but i can't get it to show more than a random number of words, one looks particularly silly as it's just showing "The" ! | 18:42 |
| xootom | how can i extend this? | 18:42 |
| dionak | I understood that the synopsis (in one of the tabs) effects this...like you could write a custom 'teaser' and it would display that. | 18:45 |
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| dionak | i wish the blog worked more like wordpress. JT, which blog software do you look to for features? | 18:49 |
| @rizen | i don't...we don't have a blog | 18:49 |
| @rizen | we have the collaboration system | 18:49 |
| @rizen | which is an animial completely to itself | 18:49 |
| @rizen | s/animial/animal/ | 18:49 |
| elnino | Hi on the old webgui done right site, there used to be examples of sql reports. Have those been ported anywhere? I can't seem to find them. | 18:50 |
| @rizen | dionak: at some point we should probably build a blog asset, and in that case i'd probably look at either wordpress, movable type, or blogger.com | 18:52 |
| xootom | dionak: thanks, i was using the default posting template not the submission one, so hadn't seen the summary item - that's great, thanks | 18:58 |
| xootom | i notice that all my cs posts are rated -1, could that be googlebot rating them? any way of finding out who did rate things? | 19:00 |
| dionak | rizen: i would be happy to volunteer to be a part of that development. | 19:11 |
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| dionak | where can i find the DataForm template docs? it seems to be missing | 19:47 |
| dionak | from the help system | 19:47 |
| dionak | nvrmind. i pasted the url string on webgui.org and found it | 19:50 |
| elnino | Hi on the old webgui done right site, there used to be examples of sql reports. Have those been ported anywhere? I can't seem to find them. | 19:54 |
| @rizen | deleted | 19:54 |
| @rizen | they were no longer useful and we no longer recommend going sql reporting directly against your webgui database unless you know what you're doing | 19:55 |
| @rizen | because the schema has become very complex | 19:55 |
| elnino | that's too bad, becaus ethere was a really good one about listing assets and incorrporating latest revision and such. | 20:00 |
| @rizen | it was flawed | 20:01 |
| elnino | well, it was exactly what I needed. I'd like to do a listing of all the assets that are pdfs. is there a recommendation? someone gave me select * from asset where classname like ... but I don't know what table to link to to get the url of the asset, title, the latestrevision, etc. | 20:03 |
| elnino | did that display right? I need to list pdfs on our site, and they are splattered everywhere. | 20:04 |
| @rizen | contact pb support | 20:05 |
| @rizen | or wait around here and see if anyone can help you...that's always an option | 20:05 |
| elnino | here's another question. I'm trying to put a <div class="something"> in an article and the class attribute is getting stripped. Is this intentional? | 20:10 |
| @rizen | depends upon your rich editor settings | 20:11 |
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| elnino | oh sorry, i should have specified. I'n trying to put the div class="something"in an article template and it's being stripped from the template. | 20:46 |
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| elnino | oh strange, I changed the name of the class and it works now. | 20:57 |
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| dionak | maybe it was a class name being used by the editor? | 21:18 |
| danny_mk | rizen: What is your approach using db->execute([@_]); within a macro if the passed FormParam(*) contains commas? | 21:24 |
| @rizen | how are you getting FormParam content into db->execute() | 21:25 |
| @rizen | db->execute is an API level thing and FormParam is a macro | 21:26 |
| @rizen | normally at an api level i'd do: | 21:26 |
| danny_mk | give me a second, I i will get the code | 21:26 |
| @rizen | $db->execute([$form->get("someField")]); | 21:26 |
| @rizen | perlbot paste | 21:26 |
| perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. | 21:26 |
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| danny_mk | http://sial.org/pbot/27742 | 21:27 |
| danny_mk | darnit, sorry that is the wrong code | 21:28 |
| @rizen | i was going to say...i see no problem with that code | 21:28 |
| danny_mk | Actually, that is the right piece of code. It seems that if $_[4] contaings the string "Insert this string, into the table, right" | 21:33 |
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| danny_mk | I will a message like "query expected 7 values but got 9" | 21:34 |
| danny_mk | s/will a/will get a/ | 21:34 |
| elnino | hi. is there a log of deleted items? the system trash is empty, but I want to see if seomthing was deleted before the trash was purged. Things misteriously disappear, and I think it's the users, but I can't prove anything. | 21:34 |
| @rizen | the comma's inside a variable are irrelevant to that method | 21:37 |
| @rizen | however, i don't know what's in your array there | 21:37 |
| @rizen | the @_ | 21:38 |
| @rizen | perhaps there is a hash in there somewhere, cuz that would cause you some problems | 21:38 |
| @preaction_ | elnino, the assetHistory table might have something for you | 21:38 |
| elnino | thanks. I'll look. but I supose I'll need a asset id? | 21:38 |
| danny_mk | I will get back to you on the fix. | 21:41 |
| dionak | i'm writing a utility script to get all the entries out of a dataform asset using www_exportTab. I need to get the entryId of each of the entries. www_exportTab doesn't return this and it's obvious why. Is there an easier way to get the entryId than building a complex SQL statement? | 21:43 |
| danny_mk | Seems like I am not going to be able to make the WUC after all. I may be down in GA for about 5 months. | 21:44 |
| danny_mk | good luck with the conference | 21:44 |
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| @rizen | dionak: to do what you want you're looking at some good old fashioned sql. no other way to do it | 21:48 |
| @rizen | danny_mk: did you register for the wuc? | 21:48 |
| danny_mk | No, I was not sure I was attending so I did not! | 21:49 |
| @rizen | we sold out a couple days ago | 21:49 |
| @rizen | no more seats left | 21:49 |
| dionak | what was the limit? | 21:49 |
| @rizen | 50 | 21:49 |
| danny_mk | I was hoping to talk about the OpenId module at the conference | 21:50 |
| @rizen | you can still do it next year | 21:50 |
| @rizen | hell, by then it may even be a part of the core, with 1000 new features added to it...then you'd really have a talk on your hands | 21:50 |
| danny_mk | I think capt10morgan will be talking about OpenId at the conference. | 21:51 |
| danny_mk | sounds good. | 21:51 |
| @rizen | hmmm..no one has contacted us about that | 21:52 |
| @rizen | does he need a BOF room? | 21:52 |
| danny_mk | he was on this list a few days ago talking about it. Not sure what his plan is. | 21:52 |
| @rizen | i wish he were here right now. he brought up the idea of using the hackaton as an RFE-a-thon | 21:52 |
| @rizen | i think that's a good idea | 21:53 |
| danny_mk | that would be a great idea! | 21:53 |
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| dj_perl | Hello all, | 01:54 |
| dj_perl | Does WebGUI install out-of-the-box on Mac OS X? | 01:55 |
| dj_perl | I'm getting errors connecting to MySQL, while running setup. | 01:56 |
| dj_perl | ( This is Ashwin, working on WebGUI for PlainBlack ) | 01:56 |
| @preaction | OSX Intel? | 01:58 |
| @preaction | WRE install? | 01:58 |
| dj_perl | Yes | 02:08 |
| dj_perl | and Yes | 02:08 |
| @preaction | the latest WRE 0.8 alpha release? | 02:09 |
| @preaction | is the wre/var/logs directory writable by everyone? | 02:11 |
| @preaction | is there a "webgui" user? | 02:12 |
| @preaction | i know that was a hurdle, i had to find a script to make one | 02:12 |
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| dj_perl | I have wre-0.7.2 | 02:33 |
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| dj_perl | There's no wre/var/logs directory | 02:34 |
| dj_perl | There' | 02:34 |
| dj_perl | There's also no "webgui" user. | 02:34 |
| dj_perl | The wre/docs/install.txt doesn't mention creating a webgui user. | 02:35 |
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| dj_perl | brb | 02:55 |
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| dj_perl | Anyone home? | 03:59 |
| @preaction_ | yes'm | 04:01 |
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| elnino | Hi. if I purge old revisions older than a week (as a weekly workflow), will the history still remain in the assetHistory table? | 04:13 |
| elnino | so I can see if things got renamed by someone at a later date and caused havoc? | 04:14 |
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| elnino | Hi. if I purge old revisions older than a week (as a weekly workflow), will the history still remain in the assetHistory table, so I can see if things got renamed by someone at a later date and caused havoc? | 04:44 |
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| cap10morgan | this is possibly a stupid question: can you add a new tab to every asset's properties w/o editing Asset.pm (or any other standard files)? | 05:03 |
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| @preaction_ | no | 05:10 |
| @preaction_ | if it's not in the definition, it's not in the club | 05:10 |
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| elnino | Hi. I'm trying to find out what happened to a page that got Mysteriously "deleted" I suspect the url was redefined. I purge old revisions older than a week. I found nothing in the trash and nothing in the assetHistory table. Does the assetHistory table hold the revision information? | 05:20 |
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| elnino | in other words, is there a log table that might still have the history for that page? | 05:21 |
| elnino | or, when I purge revisions, is that clearing out the assetHistory table? | 05:22 |
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| elnino | when things are deleted, it seems that it is NOT tracked by version tags. Is this correct? | 07:40 |
| elnino | s/things/assets | 07:40 |
| +Radix-wrk | yes | 07:40 |
| elnino | is there a log of things deleted that I can view (even after trash has been purged?) | 07:41 |
| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. no idea I'm afraid | 07:41 |
| +Radix-wrk | probably not | 07:42 |
| elnino | hmm. Do you know if after things are purged, if data is removed from the assetHistory table? | 07:42 |
| elnino | let me restate. | 07:42 |
| +Radix-wrk | I would expect so | 07:42 |
| +Radix-wrk | but I don't know I'm afraid.. or I would've answered you earlier :) | 07:42 |
| elnino | if trash is purged, are the corresponding records in the assetHistory tabled deleted. | 07:43 |
| elnino | =) | 07:43 |
| elnino | ok, how about this. Do you purge your trash at all? or do you leave it as is? I've been doing it weekly, but maybe that is unecessary? I have a pretty powerful machine. I just like to keep things clean. but maybe too clean. | 07:44 |
| +Radix-wrk | I generally leave it as is.. mine doesn't fill up that fast | 07:45 |
| +Radix-wrk | there's a workflow to purge trash - I think it does it every month on my system | 07:45 |
| +Radix-wrk | I might have set that myself tho.. seem to recall it being longer than that by default | 07:45 |
| elnino | yes, I changed it to weekly. | 07:45 |
| elnino | I wonder if trash is the same as revision history? | 07:46 |
| elnino | because I purget that too after a week. | 07:46 |
| elnino | maybe I shouldn't. | 07:46 |
| +Radix-wrk | err.. revision history is not trash | 07:46 |
| +Radix-wrk | You shouldn't purge your revision history that often.. it means you can only roll back to a maximum of a week. | 07:47 |
| elnino | actually I can see all the committed versions. that's kinda confusing. | 07:48 |
| elnino | well, the reason why I clean the revision hsitory (particularly the urls) is because my users would keep changing the urls, and if the rev hsitory wasn't purged, they could never "recoop" a url that they wanted to use in the first place. | 07:48 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah, because urls are reserved if an object ever uses it | 07:48 |
| +Radix-wrk | I think the better way to get around that is use the change url option in the asset view - that gives the option of renaming it permanently and straight away | 07:49 |
| elnino | do "normal (content writers)" users have the ability to do that? | 07:50 |
| +Radix-wrk | no idea actually :( | 07:50 |
| elnino | so, it's been awhile since I've done this... in my weekly workflow, I have "delete asset revisions older than a week from the database" do I just delete that so that it isn't run anymore? | 07:51 |
| +Radix-wrk | I'd keep it, but run it less frequently | 07:52 |
| +Radix-wrk | I think I have mine set to three months | 07:52 |
| elnino | Well, the other reason why I made mine shorter, was because that's a long time to wait if you "broke" anything by changing a url. doyou know what I mean? How do people check to see if they fixed all the links if they change a url? | 07:53 |
| elnino | especially when wg keeps track of all the old urls? | 07:53 |
| elnino | and honors them. | 07:53 |
| elnino | I feel like Im missing something fundamental here. | 07:54 |
| +Radix-wrk | Yeah - hasn't really been a problem for me yet | 07:54 |
| +Radix-wrk | I know what you mean tho | 07:54 |
| elnino | so. a page gets "deleted" - I'm assuming that they renamed the url. but remains "active" until the revision history is purged either a week or 3 months later, and all of a sudden a page is really gone. and I'm supposed to figure out how it happened? | 07:56 |
| elnino | there has got to be a way to figure this out, because I feel like they think I did it. | 07:57 |
| elnino | ok. here's another question. The other angle I'm tryin is this: the parent of this page asset was deleted. are the children of this parent asset considered to be "live" or are they put into the trash too? | 08:02 |
| elnino | or, is it only when the trash is purged is when the parent and children get purged? | 08:03 |
| +Radix-wrk | children are put in trash too | 08:03 |
| elnino | ok, so they can no longer be accessed either. | 08:04 |
| elnino | so, things in the trash are considered "gone" from the website and can not be accessed at all. correct? | 08:05 |
| elnino | it's late, I know that's an obvious question. Just making sure.... =) | 08:06 |
| @preaction | no, things in the trash can still be accessed by assetproxy and some other ways too | 08:28 |
| elnino | oh... good to know. how about via browser url if the user knows the url of the asset? | 08:29 |
| @preaction | not sure, i think no though | 08:29 |
| elnino | how do you personally change a url of an asset? via properites or via asset manager with the change url option? | 08:31 |
| @preaction | i tend to keep all my assets neat and clean by edit branch and making the URLs the parent URL -> menu title | 08:34 |
| @preaction | which means maintaining the proper structure in the asset manager, which is easier for me logically | 08:34 |
| elnino | for me too, but the people in the mktg dept aren't me =) | 08:35 |
| @preaction | meh, they're in the marketing department, you out-rank them on the website | 08:36 |
| @preaction | though JT says the webmaster is dead, i tend to disagree | 08:36 |
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| @preaction | damnit, this is why we shouldn't be wearing powers all the time... | 08:37 |
| elnino | yeah, the webmaster is now the one to blame if things go bad and caused by mktg user error. whereas I was taking full responsibility because I was fully responsible for the website intrastructure AND content. | 08:38 |
| elnino | before wg came along for us. | 08:38 |
| @preaction | why not make the url property have a uiLevel of 9 and give everyone a uiLevel of 8? | 08:39 |
| @preaction | personally, i dislike the idea of having a URL be completely arbitrary to where an asset is located in the tree | 08:39 |
| elnino | yes, it does definately cause problems. | 08:40 |
| elnino | how do I do that? and can't a user change their own uilevel under their account? | 08:40 |
| @preaction | it doesn't let us do such wonderful things as directory handlers, where an asset could control an entire block | 08:40 |
| @preaction | only people in the Admins group can change ui levels | 08:40 |
| elnino | hmm. I'll have to think about thsi, there are instances where they do have to have a specific url format (not the path, but the end of it- traditionall what would be the "filename") | 08:43 |
| @preaction | tell them to change the "menu title" | 08:45 |
| elnino | but then the menu title isn't very pretty. specifically, the portion of our site, the "filename" is the sku, and the title ane menu title is the product name. but I supose I can have them change the menu title AFTER the page has been created and saved. | 08:46 |
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| elnino | preaction: thanks for the idea. I'll sleep on it. Good night. bye | 08:49 |
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| SDuensin | 7.4.x STABLE! WHOOO! | 16:13 |
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| -!- rizen_ changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.4.8-stable | WRE 0.7.2 / WRE 0.8 preview ] | 16:40 | |
| SDuensin | Hey rizen_ - how "preview" is WRE 0.8? | 16:58 |
| rizen_ | there's quite a few bugs in it that i've already fixed in the new version | 16:59 |
| rizen_ | there will be a new version out early next week. wait | 16:59 |
| rizen_ | plus, there's no upgrade path from WRE 0.8 | 17:00 |
| rizen_ | 0.8 alpha that is | 17:00 |
| SDuensin | Awesome. Just curious. | 17:00 |
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| @rizen | cap10morgan | 17:00 |
| SDuensin | I'm excited about 7.4.8. Gonna try out my new backup server and then upgrade! :-) | 17:00 |
| @rizen | i think your idea of making the hackathon into an RFE-a-thon is a good one | 17:01 |
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| cap10morgan | yeah? | 17:01 |
| cap10morgan | oh, cool | 17:01 |
| @rizen | updated the wiki to say so | 17:01 |
| cap10morgan | great. i'll probably be working on the OpenID auth RFE. | 17:01 |
| @rizen | oh yeah, about that | 17:01 |
| @rizen | someone was telling me that you plan on talking about OpenID at the wuc this year | 17:02 |
| SDuensin | OpenID! w00t! | 17:02 |
| @rizen | but you haven't talked to us about a slot | 17:02 |
| cap10morgan | i do? :) | 17:02 |
| @rizen | are you planning on just doing it informally? | 17:02 |
| @rizen | or were they out of their mind? | 17:02 |
| @rizen | ok | 17:02 |
| cap10morgan | possibly :) | 17:02 |
| @rizen | i guess that answers that | 17:02 |
| cap10morgan | i guess i could... | 17:02 |
| cap10morgan | i've been working w/ it all summer | 17:03 |
| @rizen | we don't have any slots for you unless you just want to do a BOF, then we could probably get a room for you after hours for that | 17:03 |
| cap10morgan | yeah, that could be cool; seems like there might be others interested in it and/or willing to help hack the auth module together (it's 90% of the way there, thanks to danny_mk) | 17:04 |
| @rizen | i think you might have more participation if we make the open id bof a subset of the hackathon bof | 17:08 |
| @rizen | rather than putting it in it's own room | 17:08 |
| @rizen | what do you think? | 17:08 |
| cap10morgan | yeah, that sounds good | 17:08 |
| @rizen | please go out to the wiki and add the open id bof | 17:09 |
| cap10morgan | will do | 17:09 |
| @rizen | thx | 17:09 |
| cap10morgan | thank you | 17:09 |
| @rizen | i'll make sure you have your own half of the room for that | 17:10 |
| @rizen | then people that are interested, can go over there | 17:10 |
| cap10morgan | great | 17:10 |
| SDuensin | How many people typically attend the WUC? | 17:10 |
| @rizen | last year there were 70 or so | 17:10 |
| @rizen | this year we capped it at 50 | 17:11 |
| SDuensin | Not bad. Hopefully one of these years I' | 17:11 |
| SDuensin | ll make it. | 17:11 |
| @rizen | last year was a bigger event cuz it was our 5 year anniversary | 17:11 |
| @rizen | and because we were in las vegas | 17:11 |
| @rizen | some people come just for that | 17:11 |
| @rizen | we're thinking about capping from now on though. if we don't cap it, then we have to plan for 100 people showing up, which is much more expensive | 17:12 |
| cap10morgan | i'm a wiki asset n00b; do WikiWords get turned into links? | 17:12 |
| @rizen | nope, it's the titles of other wiki articles | 17:12 |
| @rizen | There's an article called "BOFs" for example | 17:13 |
| @rizen | so if you type that (no matter the case) it will be autolinked | 17:13 |
| cap10morgan | i see | 17:13 |
| @rizen | or if you type "JT Smith" it will autolink to my page in the wiki | 17:13 |
| cap10morgan | hmm, now i'm struggling to see how you add an article to it | 17:15 |
| @rizen | works like wikipedia | 17:17 |
| @rizen | first you search | 17:17 |
| @rizen | then you see the add link | 17:17 |
| cap10morgan | i see, thanks | 17:18 |
| @rizen | that ensures you're not adding content that is already there | 17:18 |
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| streamlines | Hello folks. I'm trying to use the optional argument to the product macro to format the product info. The optional arg points to a templateId. I learned this is possible POD for Product.pm and at http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/product-macro | 18:04 |
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| streamlines | So two quick Qs, (please bear with newbie): | 18:04 |
| streamlines | 1) What do I use for the templateId? Is it the title, the URL, the assetID (e.g. _hJBHAK-3yZibaiPALkrDg) or something else? | 18:05 |
| @rizen | asset id | 18:05 |
| streamlines | With the underscore, exactly as it appears when template is edited onscreen? | 18:06 |
| streamlines | 2) When I edit my desired template, There is an uneditable field "namespace" that says "Product" , not "Macro/Product" as I'd like. How do I edit/change that? I notice at http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wobject/asset-migration-guide: "the concept of namespace no longer exists." | 18:07 |
| streamlines | IT needs to be Macro/Product, according to the documentation for Product macro. | 18:08 |
| streamlines | BTW, thanks rizen. | 18:08 |
| streamlines | I neglected to mention that I've put a template inside a folder called Macro/Product (which I created under Import Node, patterning after existing ones Macro/Subscriptionitem, Macro/File, etc.). This was my attempt to get the correct namespace. | 18:09 |
| streamlines | FYI I don't really know what "namespace" is---worse yet I can't edit it. | 18:10 |
| streamlines | BTW running 7.4.8 | 18:11 |
| @rizen | you can only set the namespace when you create a template | 18:13 |
| @rizen | after that it's set in stone | 18:13 |
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| SDuensin | Why is that, rizen? | 18:15 |
| @rizen | i honestly can't remember, but it probably had something to do with users screwing up namespaces | 18:16 |
| @rizen | it's probably a "protect you from yourself" kind of thing | 18:16 |
| SDuensin | hehehe | 18:16 |
| @rizen | it's been that way since templates have existed in webgui | 18:16 |
| SDuensin | Well, for me, it's a "damn, I gotta re-do that" kinda thing. | 18:17 |
| @rizen | then submit an rfe to change it | 18:17 |
| SDuensin | I was just curious. I usually copy something and modify it when I create templates and things, so it doesn't bug me anymore. :-) | 18:18 |
| streamlines | So the concept of namespace still exists? OR rather, is still important? Contrary to http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wobject/asset-migration-guide? | 18:25 |
| @rizen | yes namespace still exists and is important | 18:26 |
| streamlines | Thanks. do I have to "create" the namespce someplace before I create a new template and set it? | 18:26 |
| @rizen | namespace for assets is completely different for namespace for templates | 18:26 |
| @rizen | go to the asset manager and create a template | 18:27 |
| @rizen | it's in the list | 18:27 |
| @rizen | then on the properties tab there will be a namespace field | 18:27 |
| @rizen | or if you copy any template with the appropriate namespace, you'll have it already | 18:28 |
| streamlines | oh. thanks. I'll give that a whack....I see. I had copied--so I ended up with Product instead of Macro/Product. Seemed like no template already existed with Macro/Product namespace? | 18:29 |
| @rizen | there's at least one | 18:30 |
| @rizen | or you wouldn't ever see a product macro if you place it | 18:30 |
| streamlines | RE syntax to call the second parater in the macro, just separate the two args by a comma? and assetId is case sensitive? | 18:30 |
| streamlines | Oh I see re Macro/Product. | 18:31 |
| streamlines | I need to learn OO perl. Is the concept of namespace a WebGUI thing or an OO Perl thing? | 18:32 |
| @rizen | both | 18:33 |
| @rizen | template namespaces are used to separate templates so that when you see a drop down list of templates | 18:34 |
| @rizen | you don't see all 300 of them | 18:34 |
| @rizen | only the ones that are useful to that particular thing | 18:34 |
| streamlines | ah..makes sense. thank you very much. | 18:34 |
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| streamlines | rizen, when I go to create a new template, Macro/Product isn't in the dropdown list of namespaces. Didn't you say such a namespace should already exist (by virtue of at least one template having it)? | 18:42 |
| @rizen | it should, unless there is a bug | 18:42 |
| @rizen | however, for this macro, namespace is irrelevant | 18:43 |
| streamlines | can I leave the dropdown list unset and TYPE Macro/Product in the blank field beside it? | 18:44 |
| streamlines | Remember, it not just the base macro function I need--that already works. I want to use the optional argument ti pull a template. The documentation says such a template must have MAcro/Product namespace. | 18:45 |
| streamlines | Is the documentation wrong? | 18:45 |
| streamlines | See: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/product-macro | 18:46 |
| @rizen | from Product.pm it is looking for WebGUI::Asset::Template->new($session,$templateId)->process(\%var); | 18:46 |
| @rizen | which is asset id | 18:47 |
| @rizen | i don't see anything wrong in the product macro docs | 18:47 |
| @rizen | maybe vague | 18:47 |
| @rizen | but nothing worng | 18:47 |
| @rizen | wrong | 18:47 |
| @rizen | if you want additional support you're going to have to ask someone else, or contact plain black support. i'm busy. | 18:48 |
| streamlines | I was coming to that....I have multiple Product.pms---maybe from upgrading since early 7.3? | 18:48 |
| streamlines | whoa....sorry man. I didn't mean to... | 18:49 |
| @rizen | i'm not angry...just busy | 18:49 |
| streamlines | I was't trying to be rude, rizen when I asked about docs wrong....I was just acknowledging that you seem to know more that the docs. And I didn't see your busy statement till after I hit enter on the last thing. sorry man. | 18:50 |
| streamlines | (or woman). | 18:50 |
| streamlines | no offense. I' new at alll of this. | 18:50 |
| @rizen | again i'm not angry | 18:51 |
| streamlines | thx. | 18:51 |
| @rizen | i haven't been offended | 18:51 |
| @rizen | i've just got other stuff to do | 18:51 |
| streamlines | cool. thanks for you time already. you've been very helpful. | 18:51 |
| streamlines | rizen: "it should, unless there is a bug" you think I should submit a bug report? I'm happy to go figure out how. | 18:58 |
| streamlines | cause Product/Macro really wasn't there. but my Product macro works to pull product only (not with optional 2nd arg) | 18:59 |
| streamlines | sorry "Macro/Product" mistype above. | 18:59 |
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| streamlines | I'm having a problem using a macro that accepts 2 arguments. Since I've never done this before (but it works fine iwth just one arg), I want to confirm my syntax is correct: | 19:29 |
| streamlines | Can someone please type an example of how to type the ^Product(SKU or productId, [templateId]); format? | 19:29 |
| streamlines | Is the comma necessary? square brackets are required? | 19:30 |
| streamlines | I know "^Macroname(argument);" is standard, but the question is how do I type the second arg, practically? | 19:32 |
| xootom | the square brackets mean it's optional, so you don't need templateId | 19:35 |
| xootom | you don't type in the brackets though | 19:35 |
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| xootom | so ^Product(123); is valid, and ^Product(123, abc); is valid | 19:36 |
| streamlines | I thought so. Thanks. comma separates the 2? space between comma and each arg matters? | 19:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes | 19:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | spaces are important | 19:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | so you don not want to use them | 19:37 |
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| streamlines | thanks. then I must be using the wrong thing for 2nd arg---rizen said assetId---thats the 23 characters displayed at the very top of the edit screen, right? | 19:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | 22 characters | 19:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | looks like garbled crap | 19:38 |
| streamlines | yes..thats called a GUID, right? | 19:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 19:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | you should use the assetId of the template you want to use | 19:39 |
| streamlines | hmm. then I guess I have a bug. Product macro doesn't work as described at http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/product-macro | 19:39 |
| streamlines | mine, anyway. | 19:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | what's the problem? | 19:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | I just joined the channel so I missed the first part | 19:41 |
| streamlines | well, it works as expected with just one arg. | 19:41 |
| streamlines | I'll fill you in , thank you for asking. | 19:41 |
| streamlines | so for the 2nd arg, I createda template.... | 19:41 |
| streamlines | First I didn't knwo what namespace was...rizen pointed out it must be set on templ. creation. so I set namespace Macro/Product (as per documentation) on a new templ. | 19:43 |
| streamlines | when I add that asset Id of that new templ as 2nd arg to ^Product, the macro simple shows in its entirety in the snippet | 19:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | i see | 19:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | you mean you see ^Product(sku,templId); on your page | 19:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | in stead of it's desired outpiut | 19:46 |
| streamlines | The macro is the ONLY thing in my snippet. and when I add 2nd arg, the entire syntax of the snippets's contents is displayed. YES. | 19:46 |
| streamlines | RIGHT. | 19:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 19:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | i know what's going wrong | 19:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | but not yet why | 19:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 19:46 |
| streamlines | I tried playing with variations of the syntax, and sometimes I get the expected product not fount (or similar) | 19:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | what I think is happening is that the template cannot be instanciated | 19:47 |
| streamlines | Ahhh. :-) I'm happy you're here then. | 19:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | in your webgui.log you'll prolly find errors concerning that macro and method being called on undefined values | 19:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | do you have any spaces in your macro call? | 19:48 |
| streamlines | Spaces? no. its a one-liner, and typed as discussed above. | 19:48 |
| streamlines | is that what you mean? | 19:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | also did you commit the template? | 19:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 19:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | like this | 19:48 |
| streamlines | yes. lemme clear cache and reload to see whazzup. | 19:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | ^Product(mySKU, abcdefghEtc ); | 19:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | noticed the spaces before and after the templId | 19:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | those should not be there | 19:49 |
| streamlines | AHHHH. willcheck/fix right now. You rock. | 19:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | So does Elvis =) | 19:51 |
| streamlines | EUREKA!!! | 19:51 |
| streamlines | woooo hooo1 | 19:51 |
| streamlines | !! | 19:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | I guess it works then? | 19:51 |
| streamlines | someone should doc this! | 19:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | probably | 19:51 |
| streamlines | YES it workded. didnt even need to commit. | 19:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | also the macro should checj if it gets a valid templateId | 19:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 19:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | you don't have to commit if you are under the same version tag | 19:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | as the template | 19:52 |
| streamlines | This negates the need to sync---oh nevermind. Elvis lives! | 19:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | I know he does | 19:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | He's just been abducted by aliens | 19:53 |
| streamlines | you a PB staff? | 19:53 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no | 19:53 |
| streamlines | indie perl contractor? | 19:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 19:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | i work for oqapi | 19:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | oqapi.nl | 19:53 |
| streamlines | so you jus tdo this for fun? | 19:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | but only one day a week | 19:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | you could see it as a paid hobby | 19:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | this irc stuff i do just for fun | 19:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | though | 19:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://www.webgui.org/webgui/campaigns/people | 19:55 |
| streamlines | pb takes care of you then? I don't mean to pry. just curious. don't answer if you prefer... | 19:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | there you cfan find interviews with a number of wg developers | 19:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | no i can take perfectly good care for myself | 19:55 |
| streamlines | :-) | 19:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | oqapi pays me to work on webgui | 19:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | and the rest of the time i'm trying to graduate | 19:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | oqapi is a dutch software company that does a lot of webapps | 19:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | for which we use webgui | 19:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | we used to be part of procolix | 19:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe you've heard of them before | 19:56 |
| streamlines | ahhh yes. I remember you now. the hollader who hates american beers, right? yup I heard of procolix. | 19:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | i never said I hate american beers | 19:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | i hate light beers | 19:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | which have no taste at all | 19:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | I actually like the miller mgd stuff | 19:58 |
| streamlines | I know. I'm just pulling your leg. *I* said I hate american beers. | 19:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | are you attending the wuc btw? | 19:58 |
| streamlines | All the same, you helped out a great deal. No wuc for me this year. | 19:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 19:59 |
| streamlines | and you---you'll be there? | 19:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 19:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I gotta go to the grocery store | 20:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm hungry | 20:00 |
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| streamlines | I have a love/hate relationship with WebGUI---tell you more later. | 20:00 |
| streamlines | Do you know if theres now a simple GUI way to re-order navigation items? or to prevent /newasset from being /newasset2 if /newasset once existed? | 20:02 |
| cap10morgan_ | i'm trying to import a package from a temporary storage location (all via the API) in 7.3.22 | 20:31 |
| cap10morgan_ | but i get "Unsuccessful stat on filename containing newline" when I call $root->importPackage($storage) | 20:31 |
| cap10morgan_ | i didn't used to get that error in previous 7.x versions | 20:32 |
| cap10morgan_ | any ideas what's going on there? | 20:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | streamlines: You can order assets by dragging them in the asset manager | 20:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | you should drag the rank# | 20:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | you can only reuse that url if there is no revision of an asset witrh the url in the db | 20:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | that includes revisions of trashed assets | 20:34 |
| streamlines | thanks. I had thought of that, but it didn't work in 7.3.22---is that new in 7.4.x | 20:34 |
| streamlines | ? | 20:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | that has been in webgui for ages | 20:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | cap10morgan: not sure but my guess from the error is that a filename gets borked | 20:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | presumably a newline character is added after it | 20:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | it could be a known bug though | 20:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | check the changelog | 20:35 |
| streamlines | Thanks MrHAirgrease . I mean the draggin of the rank is new? Mine maybe wasn't working. I'll try | 20:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | also did you succesfully import the package you are trying out now in other versions? | 20:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | or is it another package | 20:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | streamlines: rank dragging has been in webgui for ages | 20:36 |
| streamlines | okaay then . supported in firefox? | 20:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes | 20:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | just tried it on demo.plainblack.com | 20:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | worked fine | 20:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's not 7.3.22 though | 20:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | just checked on a 7.3.22 site | 20:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | rank dragging works fine | 20:40 |
| streamlines | wow. I'm still hunting for where I'd re-oder items on my front page navigation--sorry I'm not so familiar with WG. I'm hunting thru assets now. | 20:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | in ff 2.0.0.6/Linux | 20:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | There is another way to move assets around | 20:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | turn on admin | 20:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | click on the icon of your asset left of the delete/edit/cut/copy toolbar | 20:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | a menu will pop up | 20:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | use the promote/demote links in that menu | 20:41 |
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| streamlines | ooookay. my wg must be really shot. I have a list of assets---left of the rank number theres a checkbox for each. Then below the total list, there a single toolbar, delete, cut copy/dupliceate, applies to anything checked. | 20:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | i mean the toolbar appering at the top of each asset when you view it | 20:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | not in the asset manager | 20:48 |
| streamlines | but no icon for each asset left of ----oooh. I see what you mean now. wow. cool. | 20:49 |
| streamlines | but I still can't reorder menu items--cause each on isnt an asset. or do I re-rank the the page layouts? I'm going to try. | 20:50 |
| streamlines | Elvis is the king. Now I know why you're called MrHAirgrease. | 20:52 |
| streamlines | Thank you. | 20:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | Evrything you can include in a navigation is an asset | 20:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | and has a rank | 20:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | which you can reorder | 20:53 |
| streamlines | kewl. next time I'm buying lunch. | 20:54 |
| streamlines | I have a page layout template in Root >Inport Node > Layout. It used to be the default layout for any new new page layouts I made--but I seem to have lost that behaviour somehow... | 21:05 |
| streamlines | Can someone tell me how to get that back? (my site theme folder doesn't have a page laouyt in it). This is my last Q. really! | 21:05 |
| streamlines | would copying (or moving) that layout template into my theme folder work? | 21:07 |
| @preaction | that page layout was a prototype? maybe change it back to a prototype? | 21:11 |
| streamlines | Thanks. I'm not sure what a prototype is/does again. Have to go reading. that gives me a start though. would simply copying it to my theme folder and re-applyiong theme to site work, tho? | 21:14 |
| @preaction | not that i know of: "theme" is probably synonymous with "style", the style template has little to do with the page layout template. | 21:16 |
| @preaction | style templates go around the individual asset templates, so to speak | 21:16 |
| streamlines | Ohh.. .I that explains why I didn't put it there to begin with :-). its not set as package or prototype. namespace is "Layout". So what would make it the default template for all new page layouts? | 21:17 |
| @preaction | the idea being that the style template controls how the site looks, and the individual asset templates just use CSS to get their look-and-feel (and so are more for functionality than look) | 21:17 |
| @preaction | nothing would. you could make it a prototype and then that layout would show up in the New Content menu | 21:17 |
| streamlines | I get it. I'll try that. There were several issues I was having that cleared up (it seems) with upgrade from 7.3.13 to 7.3.22 then to 7.4.8 | 21:19 |
| streamlines | I'm confused by URLS, folders, and page layouts. Can a page layout appear within a page layout? I think that's when things broke--i tried that (because the url should appear below the url or parent layout). | 21:21 |
| streamlines | Seems like one has to keep a mental hierarchy of URLs matching hierarchy of corresponding folders and/or hierarchy of page layouts. Add to the mix the fact that some urls wont show in a page layout, I feel overwhelmed. | 21:24 |
| streamlines | I mean, WG allows each of thos heirarchies to be independent of each other. The GUI user has to remember the relationships. | 21:24 |
| streamlines | sorry--just venting some frustrations now. I'm gald y'all are here to listen. | 21:25 |
| streamlines | perlbot botsnack | 21:26 |
| perlbot | I'm not your prank monkey | 21:26 |
| streamlines | hmmm. | 21:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | streamlines: the urls do not have any hierachy | 21:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | the one and only hierarchy is parent-child | 21:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | as is shown in the assetmanager | 21:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | siblings are ordered by their rank | 21:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | the url of an asset has _nothing_ to do with its place in the asset hierarchy | 21:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | you should interpret the url as a unique title | 21:31 |
| streamlines | ahh. but to a web visitor, URLS do ---right? parent/child at least. | 21:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | why should web visitors bother with that? | 21:32 |
| @preaction | you can use Edit Branch to "fix" your url heirarchy to keep it neat and clean and organized with your asset heirarchy | 21:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | also a lot of cms-es have urls like index.php?pageId=12345 | 21:33 |
| @preaction | personally, i recommend it, i find it easier to manage | 21:33 |
| streamlines | so I can arrange assets anyhow, assign URLs anyplace as I please---right? | 21:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | where's the hiererchy in that | 21:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes | 21:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | but | 21:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | keep in mind that urls are unique | 21:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | which means only one asset can have url x | 21:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you change that assets' url | 21:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | to y | 21:34 |
| streamlines | But thas' what All web visitors *know"*. products/nozzles should appear under /products because of a logical relationship. A content manager would want to preserver that perception. | 21:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | then url x is still tied to that asset | 21:34 |
| @preaction | sure, but /products doesn't have to be anywhere near the Root asset in the heirarchy | 21:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | b/c in an older revision of that asset the url is still x | 21:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | also trashed assets that have not been purged yet still claim their original urls | 21:35 |
| streamlines | right---but the Assets have that parent/child as you said. I want to present the URLS in logical heirarchy--so I have to mentally know the relationships between assets oand the URLS---OR go look--or use a GUI way ot organize them. | 21:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | why? | 21:36 |
| streamlines | its the *relationships* that the conternt manager needs to see. | 21:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | you see the hierarchy as you browse through the site as a content manager right? | 21:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | anyway | 21:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you leave the url field empty | 21:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | webgui will use the menutitle prepended by the url of the parent | 21:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | so there's your hierarchical url being generated autiomatically | 21:37 |
| streamlines | As I brows I see heirarchy of assets. YES. | 21:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | and as preaction said | 21:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | you can make th url represent the plac | 21:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | location* of the asset in the tree | 21:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | using the edit branch functinality | 21:38 |
| streamlines | but they (can) have random urls. How can I organize my assets by usrl---I'd use a folder, or page layouts--but you see those have their own urls. After I use the edit branch, I still can't *see* where the URL of the branch goes, without inspection. | 21:40 |
| streamlines | Which inspection may/or may not be helpful, since (if the branch wasn't edited) the url found by such inspection may be entirely independent of a sibling! | 21:41 |
| streamlines | I know I'm not really making much sense, and all this is perfectly clear to WG architects. | 21:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | indeed =) | 21:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | how you order your urls is entierly up to you | 21:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you edit your assets and keep the url field empty | 21:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | and you do that consquently | 21:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | then all of your urls will exectly reflect the place in the asset tree | 21:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | including the root node | 21:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | since /root is the url of the root node | 21:43 |
| streamlines | and if I inherit a WG install from some disgruntled employee who didn't adhere to proper WG practice? | 21:44 |
| streamlines | Is there a was for me to see which assets map to which urls---since they're one to one--that should be easy to do--right? | 21:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | you can use edit branch | 21:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | to 'fix' such a site | 21:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | do this | 21:45 |
| streamlines | no. that would destry the exisitg URLS and google rankings. | 21:45 |
| streamlines | people linking to my site would break. | 21:46 |
| streamlines | (not the people--their links) :-) | 21:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | sure | 21:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | but what do you want then? | 21:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | you want to change your urls to a hierarchical system without changing them | 21:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | I know the USA is the country of of unlimited possibilities | 21:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I don't see this being possible even there =) | 21:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | but then again, I'm Dutch | 21:48 |
| streamlines | Sure. WG is incredibly powerful---but I want a GUI to see what my WEB users would see. right now I have WebFUZZY. ;-) no offense to the noble developers. I still think WG iIS the most powerul CMS out there. | 21:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you do not want your users to be able to edit urls (and thus effectively keeping the url input field empty hence creating hirarchical urls) | 21:50 |
| @preaction | uhm. isn't the site itself what your web users would see? | 21:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | you should put down their uilevel | 21:51 |
| streamlines | BTW, we can write a webcrawler/bot to see what URLS are presented by httpd---then match them (simple one-to-one) with know assets. Sounds like a job for perl--maybe someone will need a GUI' like this enough to fund a feature. | 21:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | so that they will not see the url field | 21:51 |
| @preaction | otherwise if you want a list of asset title, lineage, and url, make an SQL report | 21:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | the uilevel of url is 3 | 21:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | or just create a nav for descendants of root | 21:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | will take a while to process though | 21:53 |
| streamlines | OK. Thanks for listening though. the feedback is helpful. I'll go figure out how to do the SQL report. Now where did I put that MYSQL book? :-) | 21:54 |
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| streamlines | erm---MrHairgrease? | 22:21 |
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| streamlines | MrHairgrease earlier pointed out that the to use the ^Product(); macro with the optional 2nd parameter, I need to omit the space between the 2nd parameters and the comma. | 22:33 |
| streamlines | I'm using that parameter to specify a template for formatting the product's appearance, and my macro now pulls that template and some product data. | 22:33 |
| streamlines | What's missing is my little "add to cart" link--normally placed there with the ^Product(SKU); call. ITs not there when I use the template. Any leads? | 22:34 |
| streamlines | IE "add to cart" link isn't there when I uset the optional template 2nd parameter. Ideas? | 22:35 |
| @preaction | the add to cart link isn't in your template? | 22:36 |
| streamlines | well, I don't know. I always find add to cart magically appears if I just do ^Product(SKU) in a snippet. so.... | 22:39 |
| @preaction | of course, it's using the default template which includes that link | 22:40 |
| streamlines | I grabbed a template from the regular 'Product' (is that a wobject?) thing...and ....oh. default template? a Macro uses a default template? sorry. I guess I should read the code of that macro? | 22:41 |
| streamlines | I only know a little non-OO perl--but I dont know how things work together in WG. would I find a reference to the appropriate template in Product.pm? | 22:43 |
| @preaction | the product macro is different than the product wobject, the macro is the one that has the add to cart link | 22:45 |
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| streamlines | I noticed that. So how can I find the default template that the Product macro uses when I call it from a snippet? | 22:49 |
| @preaction | looks like the product itself can define a template id | 22:51 |
| streamlines | OK. meantime as I was looking around, I got "<sitename> has sent an incorrect or unexpected message. Error Code: -12263. " Have you experience with that? | 22:53 |
| @preaction | no | 22:54 |
| streamlines | I've seen it several times recently. That dialog pops up and I can't access the asset in question. I'm admin. I googled and searched pb, but nothing. | 22:55 |
| @preaction | webgui.log? | 22:57 |
| streamlines | hate to seem so stupid, but which one is the webgui log, please? I've got modperl.error.log modproxy.error.log . what filename, please? | 22:58 |
| @preaction | its /data/wre/var/webgui.log | 23:01 |
| @preaction | or /var/log/webgui.log, depending on whether or not you're using the wre | 23:01 |
| streamlines | sorry, I'm actually red hat certified, but I just don't know what's a wobject or which is the webgui log. its a whole different world. I don't want to waste anyone time..thanks. I'm using the wre. | 23:01 |
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| streamlines | big file. I'm coming up with the tail in a moment...thx. here: | 23:05 |
| streamlines | 2007/09/27 15:04:11 - ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1013] - WORKFLOW: Something bad happened on the return of TVD_p41X-uqbmETWSIN1ug. <HTML> | 23:05 |
| streamlines | <HEAD><TITLE>An Error Occurred</TITLE></HEAD> | 23:05 |
| streamlines | <BODY> | 23:05 |
| streamlines | <H1>An Error Occurred</H1> | 23:05 |
| streamlines | 200 OK | 23:05 |
| streamlines | </BODY> | 23:05 |
| streamlines | </HTML> | 23:05 |
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| @preaction | usually not polite to paste into IRC channels | 23:06 |
| @preaction | but something's wrong with your apache configuration | 23:07 |
| streamlines | oh. sorry. I didn't know. IRC relative newbie. | 23:07 |
| @preaction | perlbot paste | 23:07 |
| perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. | 23:07 |
| streamlines | I see something else happening very periodically...I'll paste as per perlbots suggestion | 23:09 |
| streamlines | pasted. | 23:11 |
| streamlines | http://sial.org/pbot/27755 | 23:11 |
| streamlines | sufficient. | 23:11 |
| streamlines | ? | 23:11 |
| @preaction | a thread about error 12263: http://boards.fool.co.uk/Message.asp?mid=10354751&sort=whole | 23:11 |
| streamlines | thats being logged for each site I have. | 23:12 |
| @preaction | that's a bug, what version are you running? | 23:12 |
| streamlines | thanks! I swear that wasn't there yesterday. :-) | 23:12 |
| streamlines | 7.4.8 | 23:12 |
| streamlines | on RHEL4 | 23:12 |
| @preaction | it wasn't there yesterday, i assume you updated today? | 23:16 |
| @preaction | http://webgui.org/bugs <- post the contents of your paste there, it's a relatively simple fix | 23:17 |
| streamlines | you mean the error 12263 or the regular calendarupdatefeeds thing? | 23:19 |
| @preaction | the calendarUpdateFeeds on | 23:23 |
| @preaction | 12263 is a misconfiguration in SSL for your browser, or your server | 23:23 |
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| streamlines | 'k. will do. | 23:27 |
| streamlines | thanks very much. | 23:28 |
| xootom | can anyone tell me how passive profiling works, can i say look at the pages a user has viewed somehow? | 23:28 |
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| streamlines | and thanks for the gentle education re: ettiquette posting on IRC. truly grateful :-) | 23:29 |
| @preaction | xootom, i believe it has something to do with metadata. you might have to poke around and find out, as i can't find any docs on it | 23:38 |
| streamlines | but just a sec--there isn't any SSL happening when I get my error 12263. the assets aren't behind SSL--never been flagged such. There's no SSL transaction happening (That I know of) for there to be a server or browser issue. Plus, there's more:: | 23:38 |
| @preaction | that's a Firefox error code, i assume? any google ads? anything on the page at all that might somehow use an SSL connection? | 23:39 |
| streamlines | Few days ago, suddenly, just ONE of my WG sites (on same server) quit working. Any attempt to load it gave Fatal Internal Error (or very similar) to browser. I tore my hair out for two days---and found some problems with my system. | 23:40 |
| @preaction | unrelated most likely | 23:40 |
| streamlines | OK, but it started with the 12263. Then it went downhill to Fatal Internal Error. | 23:41 |
| streamlines | But only one site was doing it. | 23:41 |
| @preaction | what was the fatal internal error about? | 23:41 |
| @preaction | xootom: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/content-profiling | 23:41 |
| xootom | ah thanks | 23:42 |
| @preaction | it looks like a way to get a different kind of aggregate stats for your site | 23:42 |
| streamlines | After many revamps and recompiles and learning that wth WRE perl was co-existing badly with my /usr/bin/perl, the issue went away. | 23:42 |
| @preaction | like putting "Section: Store" on the store portion of your site and "Section: Articles" and seeing how many users are there for the store or there for the articles | 23:43 |
| streamlines | The fatal internal error may have been related a mysql hack attempt. I had reason to think so---don't reaclly why jsut now--and I had to reset perms on mysql dirs, my.cnf, and mysql.sock | 23:44 |
| @preaction | anybody have any clue as to what this is? Show content based upon criteria | 23:45 |
| @preaction | The Wobject Proxy allows you to select content based upon criteria | 23:45 |
| streamlines | I was frustrated and didn't always act systematically---at the time i didn't know where all WG logfiles are....you enlightened me today RE: webgui.conf. I might have looked there first. | 23:45 |
| @preaction | are you using WRE 0.8 alpha? | 23:45 |
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| streamlines | had I known. I had read thru installation sectino (I thought there was a troubleshooting one too) but references to these flies are always vague if you haven't been around webgui for a while: | 23:46 |
| streamlines | eg | 23:46 |
| streamlines | EG: I found dozens of references to the webgui config fiile. what the heck is it called? | 23:46 |
| @preaction | it's in /data/WebGUI/etc, and it usually has the same name as your website plus .conf | 23:47 |
| streamlines | hunted and and found webgui.conf.original---appaetly not webgui.config file | 23:47 |
| streamlines | see that's what's not obvious from the avail documentation. | 23:47 |
| streamlines | I once asked for a main WG archecteure doc, but one wasn't avail then. | 23:48 |
| streamlines | THanks--yes I did realize that sitename.conf was what was to be considered the webgui config file. | 23:49 |
| @preaction | http://wiki.webgui.org <- feel free to help add / fix the free documentation | 23:49 |
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| streamlines | Now, don't get me wrong---I used to markup EE phd theses for a living and I don't like my time wasted--I'm not trying to blow a trumpet--I can't stand people that do. But I can't help but being frustrated by the absence of real information. I think PB should package WG and sell it. I feel like I own a Ferrari, but can't find the car keys. Again, I just want an open, friendly discussion.... | 23:57 |
| streamlines | ...This is the right place, right? Anyone? | 23:57 |
| @preaction | i feel there's more to be gained by WebGUI remaining F/OSS software than by WebGUI becoming commercial | 23:58 |
| @preaction | being F/OSS, it's in the hands of the users how they want to use it. they aren't only stuck in how plainblack wants it to be used | 23:59 |
| @rizen | there are 4 books on the subject of webgui, and a fifth one due out next week | 23:59 |
| @rizen | have you read even one of them? | 23:59 |
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| streamlines | yes, I have one. I saw a new one release today. I read all the preview. | 00:00 |
| @rizen | there are also workshops in two weeks that tell you exactly how to do the kinds of things you've been asking on here today, have you registered for them? | 00:00 |
| streamlines | can't . I'll be out of the US courting new clients. | 00:00 |
| streamlines | preaction: I know why you feel that way. | 00:01 |
| streamlines | IMHO, I think its an organizational groupthink thing. If WG really is the most powerful CMS on the planet---it didn't get there because the users chose perl, or html:template, or anything. who made those calls? | 00:03 |
| @preaction | there's also the point that Perl is almost impossible to "lock-down" in any appreciable manner, being an interpreted language. why forbid something you can't actually control? | 00:03 |
| streamlines | PB--right? | 00:04 |
| streamlines | I don't understand what you said about perl. you mean security? | 00:04 |
| @preaction | RedHat has Fedora. Canonical has Ubuntu. Mozilla has Firefox. these are not small names | 00:04 |
| @preaction | yes, if you want a closed-source WebGUI, you can't use an interpreted language | 00:04 |
| @preaction | it's like being surprised you get robbed when you leave your front door wide open | 00:05 |
| streamlines | Oh I see. hmmmm. | 00:05 |
| streamlines | duh. | 00:05 |
| @preaction | hell, Novell has SUSE now, they made an acquisition of a major linux distribution and continue to distribute it F/OSS | 00:06 |
| @preaction | i believe that JT made a good article on the business model of a company that develops FOSS software, http://plainblack.com/tbb | 00:07 |
| streamlines | What I want is not closed source. what's the PB parallel to RHEL (eg), and the flagship products of these mega-giants? The support? | 00:07 |
| @preaction | basically | 00:08 |
| streamlines | I really don't care about who sells what, unser what business model. End user-s don't run the company---but | 00:08 |
| @preaction | the support, hosting, development, and documentation that plainblack offers, while simultaneously developing, maintaining, and adding-to the areas the community uses for free documentation | 00:09 |
| streamlines | "typo: under what business...." | 00:09 |
| @preaction | "end-users don't run the company"? i'd think that what your users want, you'd want to provide, before somebody else does | 00:09 |
| @rizen | preaction is right. we do package and sell webgui, we just don't put it in a box | 00:09 |
| @rizen | we put up hosting servers | 00:10 |
| @rizen | sell support, books, training | 00:10 |
| @preaction | (in webgui, we have the RFE boards and the karma system for getting them bumped to the top of the list, and a promise to implement X number of them each minor version) | 00:10 |
| @rizen | streamlines, i've read back on your comments today, and i think one thing that you don't get...or maybe you do now but you didn't at the beginning of the day is that the webgui file system is entirely virtual | 00:11 |
| streamlines | That's true RE: end users to be sure. But is the primary revenue Service or Product? | 00:11 |
| @rizen | there's no magic to the folders | 00:11 |
| @rizen | they are just folders | 00:11 |
| @rizen | so moving stuff around in them won't do anything for you | 00:11 |
| @rizen | except move them around | 00:11 |
| @preaction | there is no actual revenue from the Product, but the Product sells the Service | 00:11 |
| streamlines | I know I'm missing more that half of webgui. Assume I'm the CIO of ---oh , I don;'t know---some mega corporation. | 00:12 |
| streamlines | Then ... | 00:12 |
| @preaction | and, through either luck or good business sense (imho almost interchangable), WebGUI sells Plainblack, which is good for WebGUI | 00:12 |
| streamlines | assume I've been given 1 week and 2 employees to eval the viability of a vendor/product using open standards. | 00:13 |
| streamlines | I once read a paper of a guy who recommended WG as a CMS for some university.. you know that one? | 00:14 |
| streamlines | it was his MAster's degree work. | 00:14 |
| streamlines | took him several months of course. | 00:15 |
| @preaction | nope, haven't come across that one | 00:15 |
| streamlines | I have it downloaded somplace. I'll post sometime. | 00:15 |
| streamlines | But back to the CIO--this Masters candidate had MONTS of time on his hands. | 00:15 |
| @preaction | why does this work: DocumentRoot /data/domains/mysite/public RewriteRule ^/extras/ - [L] <- there's no extras directory in public, it's supposed to be an alias? is it an alias in the modproxy httpd.conf? | 00:15 |
| @preaction | 1 week is probably not enough time to make an informed decision about a product, given that you start with a list of products and no information about them | 00:17 |
| @rizen | if you're a cio of a major corp and you have 2 employees to work on the project then you'd also have some money to spend. in order i'd recommend doing it this way: | 00:17 |
| @rizen | a) host it with plain black initially, move it in house if needs be later (that way you don't have to muck with installs) | 00:17 |
| @rizen | b) hire PB or some other firm to do the design for you so you don't have to learn templates instantly, cuz it takes some time to do that | 00:18 |
| @rizen | c) get some sort of training from PB or some other firm | 00:18 |
| @rizen | d) have your 2 employees build out the site after training | 00:18 |
| @rizen | e) you'll have a live site in a week | 00:18 |
| @preaction | those Months were probably spent by him actually testing the product himself, admittedly WebGUI has some ground to gain in the realm of good press, but that's what your employees will be using | 00:19 |
| streamlines | A CIO---possible fresh from his own Master's program--- will encounter terms like SPECTRE, (nevermind the definition I saw in code someplace), wobject, magic, etc. etc. and not clear definitions of what these do --or why. Isn't that the market you want---Professional people who care about the initial availabilit, reliability , security, and manageability of a tool. | 00:19 |
| streamlines | ? | 00:19 |
| @rizen | oh, and as far as evaluation goes, contact sales. they'll be happy to give you a demonstration of how webgui works | 00:19 |
| @preaction | and since what's good for WebGUI is good for PB, plainblack has begun campaigns for good press | 00:20 |
| @preaction | i guess i don't understand your concern: WebGUI is and will continue to be the best product that the community can make it. Plain Black Corp. will continue to pump time (which is money) into WebGUI because what's good for WebGUI is good for Plain Black Corp. | 00:21 |
| streamlines | My last client spent over $US20,000 on proprietary software that worked perfectly in the demo. Today, that 20k is lost becuse: | 00:21 |
| streamlines | the actual thing didn't work like in the demo | 00:22 |
| streamlines | and they couln't modify it. | 00:22 |
| @preaction | http://demo.plainblack.com <- the latest version of webgui, always available for instant trial | 00:22 |
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| @preaction | er... also demo.webgui.org | 00:22 |
| streamlines | The CDs are great coasters tho. I gues I'm saying--to an experience CIO--a demo doesn't mean squat. I was as the Win95 uveiling. :-) | 00:23 |
| streamlines | ie. not the guy fresh from his Master's degree--who doesn;t get paid all that much anyway. | 00:23 |
| streamlines | I'm saying that real revenue comes from the service, although the product synergistically drives some of that---- | 00:24 |
| @preaction | you seem to be talking about Reputation | 00:25 |
| streamlines | Not really....Big decision makers (read spenders) will need a way to measure/guage the caliber of Service they'll get--thaty where they have to explaiun why they spent what they did to someone else./ | 00:25 |
| streamlines | And I'm further saying that the quality of the product doesn't give an indication of the service---what 's the closes thing that migh? | 00:26 |
| @preaction | of course, the company's reputation (either self-espoused or otherwise) is what give them their opinion of the company. the company ends up advertising itself, success stories and the like | 00:27 |
| streamlines | the closes thing that could possibly tell them what kind of service they can expectis: | 00:27 |
| streamlines | documentation. Sure, you can wait for the reputation to build---or you can create your own "demo" of your service. You decide how. But the wikis and mailing lists don't tell me what PB will dleiver for my $$. | 00:28 |
| streamlines | The workshops I admit are good for that tho. | 00:28 |
| @preaction | the WUC itself is a measure of our devotion to support and training, this year's is (i'm told) going to be the best ever (this is my first WUC) | 00:32 |
| streamlines | The $20,000 software was purchased on Reputation. I'd love to throw 20k at PB--even if not my own--on behalf of my clients. I believe in the product, but I also think that allowing anyone do your "service demo" (your primary revenue thing) is like drifting at sea without anchor or sail. Please don't be offended---its just an simple little opinion. I'll shut up now. Thak you very much for... | 00:34 |
| streamlines | ...setting me straight on several issues. | 00:34 |
| @preaction | though i notice that there are WebGUI Success Stories, there are no Plain Black Success Stories | 00:34 |
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| dj_perl_ | Hello Haarg, | 00:35 |
| @preaction | i do believe a lot of our adoption happens in a sort of word-of-mouth: a hobbyist tries webgui for his/her own site, ends up liking it a lot, question comes up in a meeting, they suggest WebGUI, and things start rolling from there | 00:35 |
| streamlines | Anyone can put up a wiki. What can PB do for me? how do I measure that? just reputation? | 00:35 |
| streamlines | wait--sorry I just saw your last post.... | 00:35 |
| @preaction | Plain Black does WebGUI hosting, support, development, or really anything WebGUI-related you need. as much or as little as you need. | 00:36 |
| @preaction | start out with training perhaps, which also happens to be a demo of the system | 00:36 |
| dj_perl_ | It would be great if WRE installed right out of the box. Right now, it doesn't. | 00:38 |
| streamlines | But REAL money isn't to be had from the hobbyists (take me, for example). Ah, yes...I should start out with training. That I hadn't thought of ---it wasn't present and ready in my mind. I've paid RedHAt for training, for example. I had a personal instructor! Yes, I should consider that. | 00:38 |
| @preaction | from the plainblack.com/training/on-site -> 1,600 per day. you could have 15 days of training (3 weeks) before you had to pay more than just buying the software for the other system | 00:39 |
| @preaction | 15 days being entirely unnecessary, i believe Kristi and/or Steve usually end up only spending 2-3 days for a complete walkthrough of every feature of the system (short of how to write Perl, Javascript, SQL, etc...) | 00:39 |
| streamlines | I should've done that. | 00:40 |
| @preaction | dj_perl_, what OS and version? what WRE version? building or pre-built? | 00:40 |
| @preaction | eh, the idea for that just came to me | 00:40 |
| dj_perl_ | WRE 0.7.2, OSX Intel 10.4.2 | 00:40 |
| @preaction | WRE 0.7 doesn't work on OSX Intel | 00:41 |
| @preaction | i know JT tried, and i think one or two of us plainblack people got it working, but i never did even with their help | 00:41 |
| streamlines | PB's job is to create the value of that before I spend the $$. You have to make me WANT to. | 00:41 |
| @preaction | the latest Alpha of 0.8 works almost out-of-the-box on OSX Intel | 00:41 |
| dj_perl_ | Argh!! Wish someone'd told me that. I've spent the last 2 days trying to get it to work. | 00:42 |
| dj_perl_ | Thanks, I'll get 0.8 alpha | 00:42 |
| @preaction | streamlines, that's what WebGUI is supposed to do. that's why it's free. you can try a demo, you can install on a dev box using free documentation and live community help (right here) | 00:42 |
| @preaction | dj_perl_, and i'll be here for the hangups, i believe there are two of them, but i don't remember them at all | 00:42 |
| dj_perl_ | what do you mean by hangups? | 00:43 |
| dj_perl_ | install hitches? | 00:43 |
| @preaction | dj_perl_, two completely undocumented steps that you need to do | 00:43 |
| @preaction | i know one is create the "webgui" user, it's documented but you have to find the right way to do it on OSX. i ended up downloading a useradd script from somewhere | 00:44 |
| dj_perl_ | ok. i might as well check those into the docs, while i'm on it. | 00:44 |
| @preaction | netinfo is annoying as all hell, too... but whatevz | 00:44 |
| dj_perl_ | i downloaded the useradd script also. | 00:44 |
| @preaction | must be i just don't understand | 00:44 |
| @preaction | i think then it's all pretty straightforward. there's a prebuilt for OSX intel 10.4 | 00:44 |
| @preaction | alpha3 i believe, it's on the dev forum | 00:45 |
| streamlines | Hey thanks preaction and rizen for putting up with me. must grab dinner now. Really appreciate you humoring me. You folks really are good-natured. Hope we meet someday. :-) | 00:49 |
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| @rizen_is_away | dj_perl_ | 01:15 |
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| dj_perl_ | yes? | 01:15 |
| @rizen | i can help you with the couple of undocumented things you have to do | 01:15 |
| @rizen | they are things we figured out after we put out the alpha | 01:15 |
| @rizen | first: download from here http://www.plainblack.com/downloads/builds/wre/ | 01:16 |
| @rizen | 2) do the install per the instructions provided in the distro | 01:16 |
| @rizen | 3) go into /data/wre/etc/modperl.conf | 01:16 |
| @rizen | and comment out these two lines | 01:17 |
| @rizen | #PerlRequire /data/wre/etc/modperl.pl | 01:17 |
| @rizen | #PerlCleanupHandler Apache2::SizeLimit | 01:17 |
| @rizen | 4) create /data/wre/prereqs/lib/GraphicsMagick-1.1.7/config/magic.mgk | 01:18 |
| @rizen | with this in it: | 01:18 |
| @rizen | <?xml version="1.0"?> | 01:18 |
| @rizen | <magicmap> | 01:18 |
| @rizen | </magicmap> | 01:18 |
| @rizen | 5) edit your webgui config to make your uploadsPath point to your actual uploads directory | 01:18 |
| @rizen | due to a bug it points to /data/WebGUI/www/uploads | 01:19 |
| @rizen | that's it | 01:19 |
| @rizen | other than that it works out of the box | 01:19 |
| @rizen | the final version has those problems all fixed | 01:19 |
| dj_perl_ | Ok, thanks. I'll let you know how it goes as soon as the download finishes. | 01:19 |
| dj_perl_ | Alright, then I won't document these additional steps. | 01:19 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I have a whole lot of workflow instances that try to get mail for non existing CS-es. | 16:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | Obviously they error | 16:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | can I remove them by simply ditching all instances from the WorkflowInstance table with status = 'error' ? | 16:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | Or do I have to clean up somewhere else too? | 16:13 |
| @rizen | you can ditch them from the workflow instance table | 16:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 16:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | thanks | 16:17 |
| @rizen | but you'll also need to get rid of them in the WorkflowSchedule table | 16:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | other question | 16:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 16:17 |
| @rizen | so they don't get created again | 16:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 16:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | also | 16:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | if I return WAITING from an activity | 16:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | that activity is executed again in the next run? | 16:18 |
| @rizen | yup | 16:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | and the interval between runs is defined in spectre.conf right | 16:18 |
| @rizen | forever, until you return complete | 16:18 |
| @rizen | yup | 16:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 16:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | thanks a lot | 16:18 |
| @rizen | np | 16:18 |
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| knowmad | morning folks (those in the US anyhow). does the FormParam macro only read POST params or can it do GET as well? | 17:20 |
| @rizen | either | 17:21 |
| dionak | is this doc for this macro correct? http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/form-parameter-macro | 17:21 |
| @rizen | other than the sql report part yes | 17:22 |
| @rizen | fixing that | 17:22 |
| knowmad | can you add that it handles both GET and POST params? | 17:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Joeri! | 17:23 |
| dapperedodo | Hi | 17:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | biertje? | 17:24 |
| dionak | i'm trying to pull a specific param off the url to use in another macro. how do i go about doing that? | 17:25 |
| dionak | i'm looking at source but i just don't grok it | 17:26 |
| @rizen | ^OtherMacro(^FormParam(phoneNumber);); | 17:27 |
| dionak | thanks | 17:28 |
| knowmad | is the macro you are calling configured in the .conf file? | 17:28 |
| dionak | yes | 17:29 |
| dionak | so this macro really pulls data from url by processing the submitted form. i see | 17:29 |
| dionak | can a macro live in a snippet? | 17:49 |
| dionak | if i tell the snippet to process as a template? | 17:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes it can | 17:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | and you do not have to process it as a template to do that | 17:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | b/c macro != tmpl_var | 17:50 |
| dionak | ok, cool. thanks. | 17:50 |
| dionak | out of curiosity, are macros always processed? | 17:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | afaik yes | 17:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | but not in profile fields | 17:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | i think... | 17:52 |
| @rizen | macros are implemented as an output filter in webgui | 17:52 |
| @rizen | it's the last thing that happens before the content is returned to the browser | 17:52 |
| dionak | ok. that makes sense | 17:52 |
| knowmad | along these lines why is there the limitation on embedding macros that return commas or double-quotes? seems like there could be a way to escape that data so that embedding macros worked more cleanly without those caveats | 17:54 |
| knowmad | on another topic, will the SQLForm in 7.4 ever get back the ability to do a single-select list? in 7.3 I could set a fieldtype as selectList and set the height to 1 and it would generate a drop-down select. in 7.4 it is always generating a multi-select field. | 17:55 |
| dionak | as i recall, there's a select list and a select box | 17:56 |
| knowmad | oh, maybe they've been separated out in 7.4 | 17:56 |
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| @rizen | i know nothing about sql form | 18:05 |
| @rizen | as far as macro parsing, you're welcome to try to write a better parser. a couple people on my staff are attempting to do it. it's not an easy task. | 18:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | Koen! | 18:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | biertje? | 18:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | knowmad: if you want to use selectlists with one option | 18:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | use the selectbox | 18:06 |
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| @rizen | knowmad...i don't mean to sound discouraging about writing a macro parser | 18:10 |
| @rizen | that was supposed to be an invitation, but it didn't come out that way | 18:10 |
| @rizen | i'd love to see a macro processor written in Parse::RecDecent | 18:11 |
| @rizen | or even a better regex parser | 18:11 |
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| knowmad | MrHairgrease: thanks for the input | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | rizen | 18:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | a File form plugin | 18:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | the viewValue method returns a file icon plus the filename | 18:32 |
| @rizen | MrHairgrease: there's something on the wing | 18:32 |
| @rizen | some thing | 18:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it is not clickable and no url to the file. | 18:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | is that a bug? | 18:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | sorry for the garbled crap =) | 18:33 |
| @rizen | what garbled crap? | 18:33 |
| @rizen | honestly, i've never even looked at that code so i can't say for sure | 18:33 |
| @rizen | but i think that the viewValue was designed for the profiling system | 18:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | what happens is this | 18:34 |
| @rizen | it's certainly not very useful the way it is as you describe it | 18:34 |
| knowmad | rizen: glad to hear that others are working on a new processor; unfortunately, i don't have enough tuits to do myself | 18:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | a person can upload a file into his or her profile | 18:34 |
| @rizen | but...i'm not sure that file should even be allowed to be attached to profile fields | 18:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | but you are never able to download it when vieing the profile | 18:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | why not? | 18:34 |
| @rizen | spammers | 18:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 18:35 |
| @rizen | create an account on someone's webgui server | 18:35 |
| @rizen | upload a file or files | 18:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | but you could also think of resume | 18:35 |
| @rizen | now you can use their bandwidth | 18:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | i see | 18:35 |
| @rizen | go ahead and change it | 18:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | when? | 18:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | now | 18:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | or in 7.5 | 18:36 |
| @rizen | now is fine | 18:36 |
| @rizen | tuits? | 18:37 |
| @rizen | what's a tuit knowmad? | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | tuits? | 18:37 |
| knowmad | http://www.passco.com/tuit.htm | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | i think he means cojones =) | 18:37 |
| @rizen | i c | 18:38 |
| knowmad | cojones ? | 18:38 |
| @rizen | i keep getting tuits and losing them | 18:38 |
| knowmad | check for holes in your pockets | 18:38 |
| @rizen | i'm a tuit black hole in the universe | 18:39 |
| @rizen | or perhaps i'm a tuit furnace. maybe i get them and burn them up. | 18:40 |
| knowmad | i've heard about people like you ;) | 18:40 |
| @rizen | unfortunately i just can't seem to hire enough staff to take my day to day responsibilities so that i can focus on getting a round tuit | 18:41 |
| @rizen | =) | 18:41 |
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| dionak | has the svn branch occurred yet? | 19:25 |
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| dionak | i'm writing a macro to query a linked database. i just want to run the logic by someone more familiar to lessen the server restarts (users are on the server). I'm using WebGUI::DatabaseLink in the macro. Then I assign $dbLink = WebGUI::DatabaseLink($session, 'dbLinkId'), using the Link id from the admin. | 19:59 |
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| dionak | i then assign $db = $dbLink->db and call $db->quickArray() with my sql. am i missing anything? | 20:00 |
| @rizen | dionak: no, next week | 20:11 |
| @rizen | that should work | 20:12 |
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| dionak | cool. thanks. :) | 20:14 |
| cap10morgan | i have some templates for a custom asset that use a specific namespace, but whenever i edit them, the new revision's namespace is set to "Page" | 20:24 |
| cap10morgan | and that's what it shows in the metadata tab too | 20:25 |
| cap10morgan | but the db says "AssetReport" as it should in template.namespace | 20:25 |
| cap10morgan | any idea where that value is coming from? | 20:25 |
| dionak | hm. i'm getting the error "cannot locate object method quickArray via package WebGUI::DatabaseLink". i'm definitely missing something. | 20:27 |
| dionak | like the WebGUI::SQL object | 20:28 |
| dionak | but db() should be returning that. | 20:29 |
| @rizen | dionak: perhaps your database link isn't valid | 20:33 |
| @rizen | cap: i think the default namespace is "Page" when a namespace isn't set | 20:34 |
| @rizen | so likely somewhere you aren't setting the namespace | 20:34 |
| @rizen | or you're setting it to empty/null | 20:34 |
| cap10morgan | well, i'm setting it everywhere i can see to set it | 20:34 |
| cap10morgan | such as getEditForm in AssetReport.pm | 20:34 |
| cap10morgan | and i can't change it for these templates | 20:35 |
| @rizen | definition? | 20:36 |
| @rizen | i don't know how to help you without looking at the code, and right now i'm busy with the wre so i can't take time to look over your code | 20:36 |
| @rizen | sorry | 20:36 |
| cap10morgan | ah, yep. adding it to the definition did the trick. thanks rizen. | 20:40 |
| @rizen | np | 20:41 |
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| dionak | rizen: that was it. thanks! | 21:11 |
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| dionak | going back to an earlier conversation from today, we've noticed the selectBox option is missing from the sqlform. wondering if this was intentional? rizen, i remember your disclaimer earlier re: sqlform. | 22:25 |
| dionak | this is on 7.4.8 stable | 22:25 |
| dionak | hm, it seems selectBox is just no longer in the definition for SQLForm.pm | 22:29 |
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| dionak | adding a bug report | 22:31 |
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| wgGuest06 | Someone around to help me out? | 23:56 |
| @preaction | perlbot ask | 23:56 |
| perlbot | Ask forth your question to the all-knowing channel and we shall bestow upon you the answer of correctitude. | 23:56 |
| wgGuest06 | Can you tell me the server that i should have the DNS point to? | 23:56 |
| @preaction | huh? | 23:57 |
| wgGuest06 | We're switching from our current webhosting to plainblack today | 23:57 |
| wgGuest06 | and I don't know the DNS server that I should have the domain point to | 23:57 |
| @preaction | i can help you, but in the future plainblack support is at http://plainblack.com/support | 23:57 |
| @preaction | are you using our DNS or your own? | 23:57 |
| @preaction | what's the domain name you were given? the webXXX.plainblack.net one? | 23:57 |
| wgGuest06 | Yeah | 23:58 |
| wgGuest06 | webxxx | 23:58 |
| @preaction | but what? | 23:58 |
| wgGuest06 | oh | 23:58 |
| wgGuest06 | web358.plainblack.net | 23:58 |
| @preaction | without that i can't find what server you're being hosted on | 23:58 |
| @preaction | now, are you hosting your own DNS server or are you using ours? | 23:58 |
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| @preaction | plainblack's DNS is "cold.plainblack.com", backup is "frozen.plainblack.com". the server you're being hosted on is "frost.plainblack.com" and has an IP address of "207.44.136.120" | 00:00 |
| wgGuest06 | um | 00:00 |
| @preaction | so if you're hosting your own DNS, you need to have it point your domain name to that last IP. otherwise you need to update your A record to point to our DNS servers | 00:00 |
| wgGuest06 | well | 00:00 |
| wgGuest06 | we currently pay for the 50 dollar a month plan.... | 00:01 |
| @rizen | wgGuest06 | 00:01 |
| wgGuest06 | I sort of forget if that included your hosting | 00:01 |
| @rizen | where will you be updating this "DNS" you speak of | 00:01 |
| @preaction | most likely if you were running your own DNS, you'd know. so tell your domain registrar that your DNS servers are now cold and frozen | 00:01 |
| @rizen | where are you making the settings changes | 00:01 |
| wgGuest06 | ah, alright | 00:01 |
| @rizen | if you can answer that, i can tell you for sure whether you're using our dns or not | 00:01 |
| wgGuest06 | i'm going to do it through networksolutions.com | 00:02 |
| @rizen | and our DNS hosting is included in the price of all hosting packages | 00:02 |
| @rizen | ok...yeah, then you're using our dns | 00:02 |
| @rizen | so in the NetSol page put in cod.plainblack.com | 00:02 |
| @rizen | and frozen.plainblack.com | 00:02 |
| @rizen | cold.plainblack.com | 00:02 |
| @rizen | not cod | 00:02 |
| @rizen | sorry | 00:02 |
| wgGuest06 | alright | 00:04 |
| wgGuest06 | once i point it to that itll be all set? | 00:04 |
| @preaction | global DNS like that takes time to propagate, but yes | 00:06 |
| wgGuest06 | yeah, we're prepared for a 2 day downtime | 00:06 |
| @preaction | shouldn't take more than 24 hours, and the old site will still be "active" until it's changed | 00:06 |
| wgGuest06 | alright, great | 00:07 |
| wgGuest06 | thanks a lot. | 00:07 |
| wgGuest06 | take care | 00:08 |
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| wgGuest57 | Is this in a standard IRC network so I can use a regular IRC client? If so, what's the IRC network and channel name? | 16:28 |
| nuba | wgGuest57: server irc.freenode.net channel #webgui | 16:30 |
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| wgGuest57 | Thanks. I already use freenode. | 16:35 |
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