WebGUI irc logs from: 2007-09.log

--- Log opened Sat Sep 01 00:00:58 2007
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Radix-europe	Greetings from Prague	00:19
Radix-europe	YAPC finished yesterday.. was fun, though I didn't really learn much perl from it.. most of it went woosh over my head. Still.. I scored a Learning Perl book to take home and got it signed by Larry Wall, so that'll help me :)	00:20
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+MrHairgrease	Hey Jesse	22:30
+MrHairgrease	how's the eurotrip going?	22:30
Radix-europe	Hey Martin	22:30
Radix-europe	going well	22:30
Radix-europe	In Prague atm, off to Berlin tomorrow	22:31
+MrHairgrease	I thought it was was yapc this weekend.	22:31
+MrHairgrease	but aparently it's not =)	22:31
Radix-europe	YAPC::Europe was fun, though most of it went over my head, but I scored a copy of Learning Perl and got it signed by Larry Wall, so I'm happy :)	22:32
+MrHairgrease	cool	22:32
Radix-europe	YAPC was from Tues-Thurs	22:32
+MrHairgrease	oh ok	22:32
Radix-europe	We caught a train to Prague the day after it	22:32
Radix-europe	and head off again tomorrow	22:32
+MrHairgrease	how's prague?	22:33
Radix-europe	got three days in Berlin to see the place, then we're off to Belgium after that it looks like	22:33
Radix-europe	Prague is fun, nice cheap beer and has a fun atmosphere	22:33
Radix-europe	We went and saw a couple of castles today and did a city tour	22:33
Radix-europe	it's cheaper to buy a half litre of beer than it is to buy 250ml of juice	22:34
+MrHairgrease	heh	22:35
Radix-europe	50cl is less than 1 euro to buy	22:35
+MrHairgrease	yeah	22:35
+MrHairgrease	that's the spirit	22:35
+MrHairgrease	so I've heard from some friends of mine	22:35
+MrHairgrease	who've been there	22:35
+MrHairgrease	aparently beer's even cheaper outside of prague	22:35
+MrHairgrease	it's insane	22:36
Radix-europe	though you have to be careful. don't buy beer out in stare mesto with a view.. you pay twice the price	22:36
+MrHairgrease	omg	22:36
+MrHairgrease	2 euros for a pint	22:36
+MrHairgrease	that's still cheap	22:36
+MrHairgrease	=)	22:36
Radix-europe	if you order a beer in the garden out the back, it's 24kc - if you buy it out front it's 65kc	22:36
Radix-europe	you literally pay for the view ;)	22:36
+MrHairgrease	pay per view	22:36
+MrHairgrease	it's the future trhey say	22:36
Radix-europe	heh	22:37
+MrHairgrease	=)	22:37
Radix-europe	Did I send you our blog url?	22:38
+MrHairgrease	no	22:38
Radix-europe	jesseandyumi.blogspot.com	22:38
+MrHairgrease	thanks	22:39
+MrHairgrease	i'll check it out	22:39
Radix-europe	Got photos up to first day in vienna so far up	22:39
Radix-europe	I didn't get much of YAPC tho.. didn't take my camera along	22:40
+MrHairgrease	too bad	22:40
Radix-europe	you can find them all on flickr from other ppl tho.. search for the tag yapceu07	22:40
+MrHairgrease	i was really longing for photo's of flocking men with beards and sandals =)	22:41
Radix-europe	I know.. that's why I thought you'd like that tag :)	22:41
Radix-europe	hehe	22:41
+MrHairgrease	http://flickr.com/photos/maddingue/1280150410/	22:43
+MrHairgrease	i think that's even a low estimate =)	22:44
Radix-europe	hehe.. that was a funny talk that one	22:45
+MrHairgrease	yeah	22:45
Radix-europe	he used 95% for everything	22:45
+MrHairgrease	that would be my guess too	22:45
+MrHairgrease	heh	22:45
Radix-europe	including 95% of statistics are made up	22:45
+MrHairgrease	=)	22:46
+MrHairgrease	are the talks available onliune somewhere	22:46
+MrHairgrease	that you know of	22:46
Radix-europe	Umm.. each speaker seemed to have their own place to put their slides I found	22:46
Radix-europe	I wrote down a few addresses in my notebook	22:46
Radix-europe	and every one of them is in a different location	22:47
+MrHairgrease	hmm	22:47
+MrHairgrease	oh well	22:47
Radix-europe	One talk that was interesting	22:47
Radix-europe	Some guy has created another content management system like webgui - he's way behind technology wise it looked like, but he's doing it solely by himself - called Spine	22:48
+MrHairgrease	http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3828282759372324573	22:48
Radix-europe	he said he'd heard of WebGUI, but never tried it	22:48
+MrHairgrease	it is the yapc::Asia though	22:48
+MrHairgrease	but the same guy	22:49
Radix-europe	same talk tho	22:49
+MrHairgrease	indeed	22:49
Radix-europe	his talk was still in japanese	22:49
Radix-europe	but with english subtitles :)	22:49
Radix-europe	the arm wrestle with damian conway was funny	22:49
+MrHairgrease	you armwrestled damian conway?	22:50
Radix-europe	lol.. sif	22:50
Radix-europe	nah.. one of the other guys did for the auction at the end	22:50
Radix-europe	thomas klausner	22:50
Radix-europe	they even did it shirtless	22:51
Radix-europe	the auction at the end was crazy	22:51
Radix-europe	the next yapc is in copenhagen, so they decided to auction off the guys from copenhagen to do something.	22:51
+MrHairgrease	http://youtube.com/watch?v=QDK4FdbsySI	22:52
Radix-europe	they decided that it was going to be a tattoo.. and the decision in the end was to get them all to put swedish flag tattoos on their forehead	22:52
Radix-europe	that they have to wear for the next yapc	22:52
+MrHairgrease	copenhagen	22:52
+MrHairgrease	cool	22:52
+MrHairgrease	maybe i'll go	22:53
+MrHairgrease	never been there	22:53
Radix-europe	Well I'm off to bed.. keep checking the blog.. we'll be putting up more photos and blog entries as we go :)	22:57
+MrHairgrease	ok	22:57
+MrHairgrease	will do	22:57
+MrHairgrease	have a good trip	22:57
Radix-europe	Will do :)	22:57
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xootom	hi all, does anyone know how to send private messages in wg? my site doesn't show the send private message link in user profiles like webgui.org :S	21:22
@preaction	give me a minute and i'll find it	21:34
@preaction	?op=sendPrivateMessage	21:36
@preaction	you'll need a uid too	21:36
xootom	ah so it's not built into the user profile, is there a user profile template?	21:42
xootom	i'm sure i read it wasn't yet	21:42
@preaction	no, profile isn't templatable yet	21:42
xootom	i wonder how that works on webgui.org	21:43
@preaction	i can find out	21:43
xootom	yeah that'd be useful, thanks. do you know what the roadmap is for things like 'whos online' lists, chat, friends lists etc, is it documented publicly?	21:44
@preaction	chat is being written by danny_mk from here, friends is apparently implemented in 7.5, who's online is possible with a rather simple macro (using active sessions and a single argument specifying the length of time to consider one active)	21:45
xootom	great, thanks!	21:46
@preaction	we've got a little pow-wow to get ready for the WUC, so i've got a week in which i get to be bored out of my mind. i'll make that macro and try to get JT's approval for 7.5	21:46
@preaction	it looks like it's built-in to the profile code, there must be a flag for "Allow private messages" or something	21:46
@preaction	there is, there's a profile field called "allowPrivateMessages"	21:47
xootom	yes, such a switch is in edit profile, as you can make the profile hidden and private messages possible	21:47
xootom	yes, per-user	21:47
@preaction	if that switch is on, you get the Send Private Message link at the bottom of the profile	21:48
xootom	i've enabled those for my account and from other accounts there isn't the link, though they can see my profile	21:48
@preaction	okay, that's weir	21:48
xootom	hiding email address flag works, and hiding profile	21:49
@preaction	if you look at line 308 of lib/WebGUI/Operation/Profile.pm it should add the link for the sendPrivateMessage link	21:50
xootom	my line 308 is return $session->style->userStyle(WebGUI::Asset::Template->new($session,"PBtmpl0000000000000052")->process($vars));	21:54
@preaction	above that do you see an if ($session->user->userId eq $session->form->process("uid")) {	21:55
@preaction	with an else { block?	21:55
xootom	it doesn't have an else block, the if just looks like it's showing account options	21:55
@preaction	what version are you using?	21:56
xootom	7.4.5	21:56
@preaction	yeah, looks like JT fixed that for 7.4.6	21:57
@preaction	i send send you a link to a diff	21:57
xootom	ahhh ok, great	21:57
@preaction	https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/diff/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Profile.pm?rev1=4627;rev2=4628;mime=text/plain	21:58
xootom	thanks	21:58
xootom	that did the trick, thanks! it won't break the upgrade to 7.4.6 will it?	22:05
@preaction	no, the upgrade to 7.4.6 will replace that code with that code	22:05
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+MrHairgrease	wow	20:53
+MrHairgrease	the new wre is awesome	20:53
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knowmad	Is there a method to get the userId if I only have a username?	14:56
AMH_henry	$u = WebGUI::User->newByUsername($session, $username);	14:57
knowmad	is that a new object or does it create a new user in the db?	15:01
knowmad	it's a bit misleading	15:01
AMH_henry	Instanciates a user by username. Returns undef if the username could not be found.	15:01
AMH_henry	Visitor may not be looked up with this method.	15:01
AMH_henry	from the documentation :)	15:02
knowmad	thanks!	15:02
AMH_henry	yw	15:02
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+MrHairgrease	hi	17:25
+MrHairgrease	preaction	17:26
+MrHairgrease	do you know if the tmpl_var session.isVisitor	17:26
+MrHairgrease	is available in the navigation template?	17:26
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sno	Why does WebGUI::FormProcessor::date("recruitStartDate"); return a value but WebGUI::FormProcessor::text("recruitDepartment"); gives undefined on a valid vorm with these values populated?	19:00
sno	"valid form"	19:00
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elnino	hello.	21:49
elnino	apparantly, there is a new "feature" in the upgrade I installed that messed up what I was trying to do, so I'm trying to find an alternative.	21:49
elnino	I was putting html in the menutitle field to differenciate some menu items. 7.3.22 strips out all html. is this a bug or "feature"?	21:50
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elnino	is there a way I can put html in the menu title field? where would the code be? 7.2.1 used to let me do this, and 7.3.22 is stripping it out. I need ot be able to have html in the menutitle field.	22:32
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ckotil	can we resize dashboard items yet?	00:02
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xootom	ckotil, what do you mean resize dashboard items?	00:32
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ckotil	xootom: when you add a new item to your dashboard, you cant change the dimensiions of the 'widget'	15:39
ckotil	at least in version 7.3.22	15:40
xootom	same as if the item appears anywhere else though, how do you see it working?	15:40
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ckotil	zoom/pan/scaling/resizing ;-)	16:10
ckotil	I just feel so locked down and constrained being unable to resize the widgets	16:10
ckotil	i spent some time yesterday examining whether or not I could leverage the dashboard asset for use as a customer portal. we have lots of small tools that customers use on a daily basis. to have the wrapped up nicely in a dashboard would be ideal.	16:11
ckotil	but none of the tools would fit in the small confines of the widget. they are long enough, but not wide enough.	16:12
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SDuensin	Greetings.	16:14
xootom	could you edit the template and add a fourth column (not sure if it's constrained to use 3 though)	16:17
xootom	hi SDuensin	16:17
SDuensin	Hey xootom	16:17
xootom	ckotil, with 7.3.22 are you finding that new users get a blank dashboard?	16:19
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ckotil	i didnt try viewing the dash w/ another user.	16:40
ckotil	ill give it a shot.	16:40
ckotil	it is blank, but the assets are available for the user to add from the content list.	17:07
xootom	yeah same here, it doesn't take on the default look	17:15
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ckotil	i think thats by design tho	19:42
ckotil	a default setup might be a good feature tho	19:42
ckotil	opera works quite well with webgui :)	19:43
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professorfrink_	i'm building a site in 7.3.22, and i keep running into a couple of weird problems with the control buttons and the admin bar	21:52
professorfrink_	it's stacking all the buttons in the page and in the content manager's RFE	21:52
professorfrink_	and not displaying text, only icons in the admin bar	21:52
professorfrink_	has anyone else seen this?	21:53
xdanger	which browser?	22:35
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professorfrink_	i'm using firefox 2.0, but it's happening in every browser i've tried	23:15
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SDuensin	Greetings.	16:35
xootom	hi!	16:42
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rjacobsen	good morning - i have found a bug in webgui and no way around it - when I put the company name in the "Company Name" section of the "Settings" in the "Admin Console" it will not accept a single quote.... if i put in (for example) Granny Pooh's Corner - it always puts in double quote rather than single quote..... any way around this?	16:21
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SDuensin	Greetings.	16:48
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rjacobsen	good morning - i have found a bug in webgui and no way around it - when I put the company name in the "Company Name" section of the "Settings" in the "Admin Console" it will not accept a single quote.... if i put in (for example) Granny Pooh's Corner - it always puts in double quote rather than single quote..... any way around this?	16:56
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@rizen	bug --	18:03
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elnino	hello. I recently upgraded to 7.3.22 and I had html tags in some of my menu title fields, and they are now being filtered out. Is there any code I can modify so that webgui wil keep the html code in that field?	18:06
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xootom	can anyone from pb tell me the difference between the level of support offered with the supported hosting package @ 50 per month that includes unlimited web-based support, and the 1000 per year online support?	18:11
@rizen	there is really no difference	18:14
@rizen	it's just that if you're hosting with us, you aren't going to ask as many questions cuz we take care of the environment for you	18:14
@rizen	the online support is for people who don't host with us	18:15
elnino	is there any incentive for recommending you as a hosting company to a friend/company?	18:16
xootom	i'm thinking of using the supported hosting for a dev/test area, as our main server is now production so it'd be a good place to ensure updates work before hitting live, without having to 'waste a box' here and keep it up to date, would that scenario be ok?	18:17
@rizen	yup, you know that they're going to get the best webgui hosting available. =)	18:18
@rizen	we don't allow custom code or ssh access on our virtual hosting accounts	18:19
@rizen	we have unsupported dev servers available for that purpose for $150 per month though	18:19
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rjacobsen	good morning	18:21
rjacobsen	why cant i type in here?	18:21
@preaction	i don't know? can't you?	18:21
rjacobsen	i guess i got it workin niow	18:21
rjacobsen	now	18:21
rjacobsen	did anyone see what i typed above about the settings in webgui?	18:22
@preaction	no, it was probably too long	18:22
rjacobsen	if not ill paste it in again....	18:22
@preaction	paste != type	18:22
rjacobsen	ok well the long and short of it is...	18:22
xootom	ahh so not able to put own macros on shared hosting, what about non-standard tables to use with sql reports?	18:23
rjacobsen	for some reason if i type Kid's in the Company Name slot in settings it displays Kid"s (with double quotes) on the home page	18:23
rjacobsen	why is it displaying the single quotes as double quotes and is there a fix?	18:24
elnino	hello I had html tags in some of my asset's menu title. I recently upgraded to 7.3.22 and and now they are being filtered out (they weren't before). Is there any code I can modify so that webgui will keep the html code in that field?	18:26
@rizen	bug --	18:36
elnino	it's a bug?	18:36
@rizen	bug --	18:37
@rizen	no, i'm not talking to you elninio	18:37
elnino	oh. =)	18:37
@rizen	as i've stated previously, i don't provide support here, so i can't comment on your question	18:37
elnino	are you talking to me now?	18:38
rjacobsen	rizen is there any work around for this bug?	18:38
@rizen	i have no idea what you're talking about rjacobson	18:38
elnino	i'm so confused. =)	18:39
rjacobsen	ok for some reason when i put a company name in the settings box in webgui and it has a single quote in the company name it changes the single quote to double quote when it displays the company name	18:40
rjacobsen	did you see all that?	18:40
@rizen	i saw that, but as i just told elnino, i don't provide support here	18:40
@rizen	if someone else wants to answer you that's fine, but not me	18:40
rjacobsen	it is a bug in webgui - a sql query is not being escaped in the webgui code - so who can fix it?	18:41
@rizen	how about you submit it to the bug list like everyone else http://webgui.org/bugs	18:41
elnino	rjacobsen - I'd would submit a bug report on webgui's site.	18:41
rjacobsen	and wait 3 months...... i have customers down my throat now that their company name is not displaying right	18:42
rjacobsen	kinda a big thing since webgui uses what the customer puts in the company name box of webgui for title of the website	18:43
@rizen	phone support includes priority bug fixes	18:43
rjacobsen	this is not something i should have to pay to fix since it is obviously something in the webgui coding that is broken	18:44
rjacobsen	unless your willing to give access to webgui code....	18:45
rjacobsen	only way you could actually charge for this problem is if i actually had access to the code to modify it	18:45
@preaction	rjacobsen, you have access to the webgui code, make a patch and submit it?	18:45
@rizen	you're not paying for us to fix it	18:45
@preaction	webgui is free, open source under the GPL	18:45
@rizen	you're paying us to put it a tthe top of our priority list	18:45
elnino	rjacobsen- are you being hosted by plainblack?	18:45
@preaction	plainblack runs the same version of webgui as is released on webgui.org	18:46
rjacobsen	why is this becoming a big problem? it takes 2 seconds to open the code, escape the sql query, and close the code	18:46
rjacobsen	bug fixed	18:46
@preaction	post a bug, follow the process. we're fixing bugs today.	18:46
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diakopter	rjacobsen: graham fixed that two weeks ago: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/diff/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm?rev1=4616;rev2=4617	19:10
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sanyock	Hi All, please let me know to whom it is better to contact for submitting small patches for issues like: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/not-able-to-call-stored-procedures-from-94sql-macro/1	19:53
sanyock	if a patch is done according to http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/subversion	19:55
@rizen	if you submit the patch as an RFE, it will be added to the next dev cycle	19:55
@rizen	submitting it as a bug means that it will go into the current stable, and we don't allow new features in the current stable	19:55
sanyock	did you split SVN into two branches?	19:56
sanyock	stable and beta?	19:56
@rizen	7.5 hasn't been branched yet	19:56
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sanyock	would a patch for stored procedures be accepted, do you have any policy on usefulness of feature to be included ?	20:00
@rizen	if i tested it and it worked, it would be allowed	20:00
@rizen	stored procedures are generically useful to lots of people	20:00
sanyock	thanks	20:00
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sanyock	what is preferred development environment of WebGUI developers? For example java people use eclipse	20:04
@rizen	most use vim	20:04
@rizen	most don't use an ide	20:05
sanyock	:)	20:05
* sanyock prefers nano		20:05
sanyock	how about debugging, sure stored proc issue does not need it but for other things it may be needed	20:05
@rizen	as long as you conform to the best practices, you may use whatever you like	20:06
sanyock	I just wonder to save time on selection	20:06
@rizen	you know how to put webgui into debug mode, right?	20:06
sanyock	only for SQL reports	20:06
@rizen	admin console > settings > miscellaneous > show debug	20:07
sanyock	I saw it but did not try yet	20:07
elnino	I recently upgraded to 7.3.22 and I had html tags in some of my menu title fields, and they are now being filtered out. is this a bug or was it intended?	20:56
@rizen	bug --	21:04
@rizen	bug --	21:04
@rizen	bug --	21:04
@rizen	bug --	21:07
elnino	I'm assuming you're talking to me this time? =)	21:09
@rizen	bug --	21:11
@rizen	bug -- has nothing to do with you	21:11
@rizen	it means a bug has been fixed	21:11
@rizen	it's not directed AT anyone	21:11
@rizen	just FYI	21:11
elnino	oh. now I get it. I'm very glad you are squashing a bunch of bugs today. Good job!	21:12
@rizen	bug --	21:24
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elnino	hi. I'm still wondering if stripping html from an assets menutitle is intentional or a bug.	21:38
@rizen	intentional	21:38
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elnino	if it's intentional, can you point me to the pm file that I may modify to remove this? It used to work in 7.2.1 and it was a bit of a surprise when it was changed.	21:54
@rizen	i'm afraid not	21:55
@rizen	bug --	21:55
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elnino	ok, then can you suggest an alternative method in stylizing the menu title independantly from the stucture of the site?	22:01
@rizen	i don't provide support here	22:02
ckotil	does webgui support ldaps?	22:11
@rizen	not currently	22:11
@rizen	you have to use it over stunnel	22:11
@rizen	if you want it encrypted	22:11
ckotil	ya. i do that for my db connection now.	22:11
ckotil	do you have a timeframe in mind for ldaps?	22:12
@rizen	nope...it's in the RFE list i think	22:12
ckotil	kthx.	22:12
ckotil	its kind of obscure, but its there. http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/ldap2	22:19
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@rizen	bug --	22:53
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+MrHairgrease	hi	18:26
+MrHairgrease	so i have this weird behaviour	18:26
+MrHairgrease	and i'm wondering if you've seen it too	18:27
+MrHairgrease	what happens is that all of a sudden saving a snippet will blow up apache	18:27
+MrHairgrease	getting it to use 99.9% cpu	18:27
+MrHairgrease	before it saved easily	18:27
+MrHairgrease	now the weird thing comes	18:28
+MrHairgrease	the former save was done with firefox	18:28
+MrHairgrease	so i tried with opera	18:28
+MrHairgrease	nothing wrong	18:28
+MrHairgrease	the snippet saves no infinite loop	18:28
+MrHairgrease	i clear everything in firefox (cookies, cache, etc) even close it and start it again	18:29
+MrHairgrease	try to save that snippet once again	18:29
+MrHairgrease	bam, the server blows up	18:29
+MrHairgrease	other snippets work fine	18:29
+MrHairgrease	opera also still saves correctly	18:29
+MrHairgrease	so i decide to use opera to save that particular asset for the time being	18:30
+MrHairgrease	now the even weirder part comes	18:30
+MrHairgrease	after a number of saves using opera the server blows up again	18:30
+MrHairgrease	but currently it's working again under firefox.	18:31
+MrHairgrease	I cannot figure out what's triggering it	18:31
+MrHairgrease	it's on 7.4.2	18:31
+MrHairgrease	anybody seen this behaviour too?	18:31
+MrHairgrease	I've seen it happen on my laptop, my colleague's iBook and Arjan has seen it too.	18:32
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SDuensin	Welcome to Monday.	16:08
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+MrHairgrease	rizen	23:06
+MrHairgrease	or someone else	23:07
@rizen	mhg	23:07
+MrHairgrease	a quick question	23:07
@rizen	yes, i know your mom works that street corner	23:07
@rizen	but my girls gotta eat too	23:07
+MrHairgrease	is it possible to make a nav containing previous/next page links relative to the current page	23:07
+MrHairgrease	next and previous would be the sibling next to the current page	23:08
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+MrHairgrease	i need to know for my wuc presentation	23:08
@rizen	not any way i can think of using the current variables	23:09
@rizen	well...i guess you could load all the data into a javascript structure	23:10
@rizen	and then you'd know whether there was a prev / next page	23:10
@rizen	for the current page	23:10
@rizen	because you could check array lengths and such	23:10
+MrHairgrease	yeah	23:10
+MrHairgrease	that crossed my mind too	23:11
+MrHairgrease	oh well	23:11
+MrHairgrease	javascript would be good for acme i guess	23:11
+MrHairgrease	thanks	23:11
@rizen	np	23:11
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+MrHairgrease	the javascript thingy did the trick btw	00:06
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@preaction	does anyone think people would be interested in a patch to switch to graphics magic in 7.3.22?	01:41
@preaction	and/or a small shell script to translate custom code to use graphics magic?	01:41
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wgGuest63	hello everyone!	03:23
wgGuest63	I have a question for you all . . .	03:23
wgGuest63	has anyone in here used webgui for a school or university?	03:26
rizen_	dozens of our clients are universities and schools	03:26
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@rizen	the 8th and 9th largest school districts in the US use WebGUI (Philadelphia School District and the Hawaii Department of Education)	03:28
wgGuest63	excellent	03:30
wgGuest63	I'm the network administrator and helpdesk manager for our college in Chicago, IL	03:31
@rizen	Cool.	03:31
wgGuest63	and we currently have a unix server running Fedora 7 with the basic public_html directories	03:31
wgGuest63	nothing fancy	03:31
wgGuest63	www.site.com/~username	03:31
wgGuest63	but a small % of instructors use this	03:32
wgGuest63	and webgui seems like it will make everyone's life easier	03:32
wgGuest63	but	03:32
wgGuest63	as far as transitioing goes, . . . what are the URL's for a user that, . . let say registers and builds a page?	03:33
@rizen	Well, that's up to you, because a user doesn't get a page unless you as an admin gives it to them	03:33
wgGuest63	would I need to install this on a separate server and call it http://faculty.xxx.xxx.edu	03:34
@rizen	You can do that a couple different ways	03:34
wgGuest63	hmm	03:34
@rizen	You can either do it manually	03:34
wgGuest63	well, . . . whats the most common way you've seen it done	03:34
@rizen	or automated	03:34
wgGuest63	when a user registers for an account on www.domain.com	03:34
wgGuest63	is the user's site www.domain.com/user, etc?	03:35
wgGuest63	I'm trying to get a better sense of how this works	03:35
wgGuest63	and as a matter of fact	03:35
@rizen	Usually the admins I know do it manually because individual users don't get pages, it's departments that get pages, and then a department manager hands out pages to individuals if necessary	03:35
@rizen	the url can be basically whatever you want, but generally speaking it would be something like	03:35
@rizen	domain.com/faculty/username	03:35
@rizen	or faculty.domain.com/username would work fine too	03:36
wgGuest63	the only downside I see right now is that I need to put this on a separate server	03:36
@rizen	some people set up a workflow that will automatically create a user's page and assign rights when the user is created	03:36
@rizen	fyi, webgui has a built in workflow engine to automate such tasks	03:37
wgGuest63	only because I'm thinking about using our main campus webserver with the Joomla CMS!	03:37
wgGuest63	because we have scrict guidelines in terms of our corporate image	03:37
wgGuest63	so I'm designing a template for it	03:37
wgGuest63	but we do have faculty homepages that students visit for course syllabi and whatnot	03:37
@rizen	why would you go joomla for the main site and webgui for these substes?	03:37
@rizen	instead of webgui everywhere?	03:37
wgGuest63	well, I could	03:38
wgGuest63	but I would need to learn how to customize my current website to look exactly as is with webgui	03:38
wgGuest63	do you want to see our current page?	03:38
@rizen	sure	03:38
wgGuest63	remember, this is a corporate theme, so I can't modify it that much	03:38
@rizen	there's a book that can help you wiht that	03:39
wgGuest63	I need to design it so it looks lamost identical	03:39
wgGuest63	http://www.dpg.devry.edu	03:39
@rizen	https://www.plainblack.com/store/services/books2/webgui-designers-guide	03:39
wgGuest63	Joomla has some great template designs that would fit my needs	03:39
wgGuest63	and then webgui would be great for faculty	03:39
@rizen	webgui could do that design quite easily	03:40
@rizen	for that matter, i've never seen a design that webgui can't do	03:40
wgGuest63	the faculty webpage is a separate entity, and faculty would love the webgui interface and functionality	03:40
wgGuest63	however, according to the webui FAQ, I can't coexist apache and mysql on the same server as webgui?	03:41
wgGuest63	I didnt quite understand that	03:41
@rizen	actually you can	03:41
@rizen	could you point me to the faq that says that?	03:41
wgGuest63	http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/wre-installation	03:43
wgGuest63	Down the page it says make sure apache is not running at sstartup and make sure apache and mysql are not running during install	03:43
@rizen	ic that's not an faq, but a wiki page	03:43
@rizen	and the reason that it's saying that is that the WRE comes with it's own apache and MySQL built in	03:44
@rizen	so you don't need your own mysql and apache	03:44
wgGuest63	ahhh	03:44
wgGuest63	thats what I thought	03:44
wgGuest63	hmmm	03:44
wgGuest63	I am going to install it on my play server	03:45
wgGuest63	but webgui matches perfectly for our faculty	03:45
wgGuest63	and the install seems straight forward	03:46
@rizen	Incidentally you're not the only college down there running WebGUI	03:46
@rizen	University of Illinois Chicago already runs WebGUI	03:46
@rizen	at the Library, and a few other departments	03:46
@rizen	And so does Wheaton College Library	03:47
wgGuest63	nice	03:47
wgGuest63	if I have any questions with the install	03:47
wgGuest63	can I ask?	03:47
@rizen	you can certainly ask, but i'm afraid we charge for support...others here though will probably help you for free	03:48
wgGuest63	thats fine	03:50
wgGuest63	the instructions seem straight forward	03:50
wgGuest63	thanks again for your input	03:50
@rizen	np	03:52
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wgGuest63	where do you put the US/Central time zone setting in the rc.webgui file?	04:34
wgGuest63	how would you handle this config settikng?	04:34
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@preaction	wgGuest63, you need to alter the Visitor user's profile	05:11
@preaction	nothing to do with rc.webgui	05:11
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wgGuest63	anyone have problems with AWSTATS?	06:33
wgGuest63	I have the system installed	06:33
wgGuest63	but struggling to get the homepage loaded	06:33
wgGuest63	it continues to complain about the awstats config file	06:34
wgGuest63	unfortunately, I can't seem to figure this one out	06:34
@rizen	mv all of the stats related files out of /data/wre/etc until you have your first working site	06:40
@rizen	screw around with stats later	06:40
wgGuest63	argh!	06:50
wgGuest63	I know I'm close here	06:50
wgGuest63	but I moved all the files out of the /data/wre/etc directory to a backup dir and still no go	06:51
wgGuest63	it still complains about the awstats config	06:51
wgGuest63	should I re-install again without the awstats option?	06:51
wgGuest63	I don't get why its not workingyet	06:52
wgGuest63	I've installed this almost 10 times	06:54
wgGuest63	and everything seems to install flawlessl	06:54
wgGuest63	will try again	06:59
@rizen	don't know what to tell you...don't have any quick and dirty help	06:59
@rizen	if you follow the instructions to the letter	07:00
@rizen	it should "just work"	07:00
wgGuest63	I probably missed something	07:00
wgGuest63	I'm going to try it again	07:00
@rizen	if you want you could try the new technology preview WRE 0.8	07:00
wgGuest63	very true	07:01
@rizen	http://www.plainblack.com/downloads/builds/wre/	07:01
wgGuest63	thanks	07:01
wgGuest63	I'll try the stable first	07:01
@rizen	comment out line 41 of wreconsole.pl	07:01
wgGuest63	when I run the addsite command on the last step, . .. is that the admin site?	07:01
@rizen	there is no admin site	07:01
@rizen	each site is a fully functioning version of webgui	07:02
wgGuest63	hmm	07:02
@rizen	and completely separate from each other site	07:02
@rizen	WRE 0.8 has the WRE Console, which is a web based admin panel	07:02
@rizen	so maybe you read something about that	07:02
@rizen	and it's confusing you	07:02
wgGuest63	right. . I might have read it	07:02
wgGuest63	but with the stable version	07:03
wgGuest63	if I create one site	07:03
@rizen	the stable version has no wreconsole.p	07:03
@rizen	if you add one site	07:03
@rizen	then that's a working webgui	07:03
wgGuest63	how would I go about creating multipe sites for faculty, per say?	07:03
@rizen	that you can publish data to	07:03
@rizen	you want each faculty member to have a full webgui site?	07:03
@rizen	or just a section within a big site?	07:04
wgGuest63	well	07:04
wgGuest63	I suppose one section each per the one webgui	07:04
@rizen	then you'd need to log in as admin	07:04
@rizen	create the user	07:04
@rizen	create the page	07:04
@rizen	and assign rights to the page to the user	07:04
@rizen	or set up a workflow to do that for you	07:04
wgGuest63	but each of them will want freedom to create their own page layout, color, theme, etc.	07:05
wgGuest63	is this possible the way you described?	07:05
@rizen	yes	07:05
@rizen	every page in the site can have a unique style if that's what you want	07:05
wgGuest63	once I create lets say user1 and user2	07:05
wgGuest63	and a page for each	07:06
wgGuest63	user 1 will be able to modify his page	07:06
wgGuest63	I'll have to play around with it myself	07:06
wgGuest63	but faculty usually have more than one page	07:06
@rizen	rather than going through the hassle of installing it, why not play with this out on demo.webgui.org	07:06
@rizen	yeah, once they have one page	07:07
@rizen	they can add additional pages	07:07
@rizen	under that main page	07:07
wgGuest63	right	07:07
wgGuest63	and then I can create a link on my campus website to link to each faculty page	07:07
wgGuest63	lemme try thisinstall one more time	07:07
@rizen	if you set it up right, you can actually have webgui keep your faculty page up to date automatically	07:08
@rizen	so that when you add a new faculty member	07:08
@rizen	or delete one	07:08
@rizen	the main page is automatically updated	07:08
wgGuest63	cool, hold on	07:08
wgGuest63	(installing . . . )	07:09
wgGuest63	unpacking webgui	07:11
wgGuest63	almost done!	07:11
wgGuest63	=)	07:11
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wgGuest27	I'm back	07:24
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ckotil	hrm htmp::template::expr isnt handing my conditionals as I intend it to.	18:06
ckotil	?? pastebin	18:07
ckotil	http://www.pastebin.ca/692077	18:08
ckotil	nothing too fancey..	18:08
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ckotil	so i simplified the conditionals. and it works.	18:19
ckotil	perhaps thats a bug?	18:19
ckotil	http://pastebin.ca/692095 simplified.	18:20
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elnino	hi. I have some pages that need to be approved by one manager, and other pages be approved by another. Is there a way to do this? or is this an RFE?	19:58
@preaction	how are they split? by sections of the site? currently there's no automatic way to do it, but you can choose which workflow your version tag runs under	20:02
@preaction	so you can make two workflows: Commit With Approval from Manager One, and CWA from Manager Two, and assign different groups to the "Request Approval" workflow activity	20:03
elnino	so, when a user in a particular group "creates a version tag" is there a way to default which workflow they get? (based on the group they are in?)	20:07
@preaction	no	20:07
elnino	oh. so I have to teach them how to responsibly select the correct approval work flow? =)	20:07
@preaction	you might want to take a look inside the RequestApproval something something workflow activity	20:08
@preaction	it's really quite simple, you might be able to hack it yourself	20:08
elnino	work flow activies scare me. and make no sense to me. I'm just glad the default ones work. =)	20:09
@preaction	i actually wrote one that does what you require, using the RequestApproval as a base, for a client. problem is that it's completely custom for their site (there's no way to alter it to fit anyone's needs, it's a monster)	20:09
@preaction	might want to post an RFE for a "Request Approval workflow activity with Multiple Approval Groups". it seems I get asked about it a bit	20:10
@preaction	not sure if it'll pass muster with JT, but it'd be the simplest solution to the problem	20:11
@preaction	make sure to mention that we shouldn't stop with just one extra User Group to Approval Group relationship, that multiples should be available	20:11
@preaction	(it'd be a power admin's toy, but it would be very powerful)	20:11
elnino	thanks! you are very helpful. It looks liek workflows are little more intuitive from the old version I had. I'll see if I can dig around.	20:13
@preaction	i might just add it to my list, even if JT doesn't approve it, usually he'll take patches if he's coerced about the usefulness of it	20:14
@preaction	i mean, still make the RFE, but if it's not approved don't give up hope	20:15
@preaction	i think two new approval activities: one by group as you described, and one by asset lineage (so you can demarcate a section of your site to be under the control of certain users) will work out splendidly	20:16
elnino	ok. I'll create an rfe. Thanks! ANother question. I have 7.3.22 and we're planning on going live this friday. Would it be advisable to upgrade to the latest stable? I'm hoping there aren't any nasty surprises....	20:20
@preaction	7.3.22 is the latest stable	20:20
@preaction	7.4 is still in beta, afaik on-track to release stable this week or next	20:20
elnino	So, I have another question. I'm the "admin" user of webgui, and all the pages on the site are owned by me. is this the typical setup? or should the pages be owned by the group that can modify it?	20:27
elnino	what would the pros and cons be?	20:28
elnino	rfe made.	20:30
@preaction	assets are owned by a single user, that user is allowed (usually) to edit that asset (i believe, even if they aren't in the group that allows editing)	20:30
@preaction	i'm not really too sure about owner, since it usually never comes up	20:30
@preaction	i'd imagine though, it's mostly used for things like Posts to collab systems	20:30
@preaction	or Events	20:30
@preaction	user-posted content	20:30
elnino	yep, the owner has full editing rights regardless of edit group. Just wondierng if my setup is typical? or if people take the time to give the ownership of pages to other groups other than admin. no biggy, just curious.	20:44
@preaction	it's typical except for the user-posted content like Events and Posts/Threads	20:48
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elnino	ok. glad I'm typical. =)	20:52
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dionak	quick, easy question...i have a list of userIds in a template. How do I get the username for each userId? The userName macro just gets the logged in user according to the wiki...	22:51
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dionak	sounds easy anyways..	22:51
rizenisaway	you would need to write a macro that looks up the username based upon user id	22:52
dionak	ok..cool. thanks	22:52
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ckotil	<3 webgui	16:57
knowmad	awwww :)	16:57
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@rizen	sweet...did it do something particularly kick ass for you?	17:03
@rizen	how's bithznethz knowmad?	17:07
ckotil	yeah, the templating system	17:07
ckotil	html::template::expr in particular	17:08
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@rizen	ah yes...our design staff is particularly fond of that	17:09
@rizen	i just like that the templating system can scale with your needs/skill level	17:10
@rizen	noob = H:T	17:10
@rizen	some xp = H:T:E	17:10
@rizen	power user = TT	17:10
ckotil	tho i wasnt able to combine conditionals with \|\| &&.	17:11
@rizen	you can do that with TT	17:11
ckotil	oh, i see	17:11
@rizen	TT is pretty much a full on programming language	17:11
@rizen	you can inline perl code right into it	17:11
ckotil	awsome.	17:11
@rizen	but it's too challenging for most users, that's why we start everybody with H:T	17:12
ckotil	I can see that being very useful	17:12
@rizen	it's not too shabby	17:15
@rizen	ckotil, were you planning on coming to the WUC?	17:16
@rizen	the reason i bring it up is that our director of operations told me yesterday that there's only a few seats left. for the first time in history we're probably going to sell all our available seats	17:17
@rizen	so if you want one, you should sign up soon	17:17
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ckotil	No, thanks though.	17:43
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xootom	hi, very much looking forward to 7.4.6 and 7.5, can anyone hint at when they might be available?	18:03
@rizen	7.4.6 will come out today	18:03
@rizen	7.5 will come out when it does	18:03
xootom	ah lovely, thanks	18:03
xootom	np :)	18:04
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knowmad	hey rizen, bithznethz is good. we're working on redoing our website packages to all incorporate WebGUI (except an ecommerce offering that uses another product)	19:13
knowmad	how about you guys	19:14
@rizen	quite good actually	19:32
@rizen	we're busy working out the details for some new products and services that we'll be offering starting at the wuc	19:32
@rizen	and we also have some pretty high profile organizations that we're working out contracts for	19:33
@rizen	is the other system "OS Commerce"?	19:34
knowmad	no. we're using CS-Cart	19:34
knowmad	glad to hear you're keeping busy. i assumed as much seeing the job postings going up	19:34
knowmad	i look forward to hearing about the new stuff at the WUC	19:34
@rizen	hmmm...haven't heard of cs cart	19:35
@rizen	hopefully the new features i'm working on, which i'll show a small demo of at the wuc will be enough to eliminate the need for cs cart	19:35
knowmad	I'd be so happy if you can pull that off	19:36
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knowmad	It's just hard for a universal CMS to be as competent as a package which is devoted to that one concept (e.g., shopping cart, blogging)	19:37
@rizen	it won't be until early next year before you'll be able to use the new commerce features	19:37
@rizen	oh yeah, i know that	19:37
knowmad	i'm just glad to hear they are coming!	19:37
@rizen	i hope to suprize everyone a bit when we come out with the new commerce stuff	19:38
knowmad	on the other hand, folks probably use 25-50% of the features of these devoted pkgs	19:38
@rizen	actually...it's funny you say that	19:38
knowmad	so if WebGUI can do the main features, we can customize the special stuff	19:38
knowmad	I like surprises :)	19:38
knowmad	well, good ones anyhow	19:38
@rizen	one of our internal development goals is for webgui to have the most used 50% of features in any given category that it competes in	19:38
@rizen	we figure that the last 50% are so specialized, that they likely aren't worth the bang/buck	19:39
knowmad	Nice! That's a lofty goal.	19:39
knowmad	have you identified the apps you are competing with in each of the Assets?	19:39
knowmad	is that open to discussion?	19:39
@rizen	because, as you state, it's nearly impossible for a general purpose tool to compete with a specialized one	19:39
@rizen	we have for some of them	19:40
@rizen	CS = phpBB	19:40
@rizen	and i think we have the 50% covered there	19:40
@rizen	and then some	19:40
@rizen	wiki = mediawiki	19:40
@rizen	we have a ways to go	19:40
knowmad	unfortunately, i have to agree with that	19:41
@rizen	but we only just introduced our wiki	19:41
@rizen	they've been around for ever	19:41
knowmad	i'd love to start using the wiki for our internal docs but need some features like more refined permissions control per entry	19:41
knowmad	yeah, and it's getting better	19:41
@rizen	yeah, the 7.4 wiki is a very usable wiki, though not feature rich	19:41
@rizen	for commerce our 50% goal is measured against OS Commerce	19:42
@rizen	arguably the leader in the shopping cart arena	19:42
knowmad	i've not used OS Commerce. it's prob similar to CS-cart and X-Cart	19:42
@rizen	my goal is to reach our 50% commerce goal by the end of 2008	19:44
@rizen	the calendar is really starting to get close too	19:45
@rizen	it only needs the list view, and subscriptions and we're there	19:45
@rizen	of course "there" is a dynamic thing	19:45
@rizen	people are always adding new features	19:46
knowmad	great. what are you comparing calendar to?	19:50
@rizen	calcium	19:53
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@rizen	at some point we may need to update our views and compare it to something like google calendars, or phpGroupware, or evite....something that has resource scheduling and event planning capabilities	19:54
@rizen	but for now, we're just trying to make the best event calendar we can make	19:55
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knowmad	hey, rizen. sorry to fall off. had a client call.	21:32
knowmad	then lunch was calling	21:32
knowmad	I like your ideas of making the calendar work for resource scheduling and event planning.	21:33
xootom	is it possible to change the url the user is sent to after they have confirmed their account via email? by default the url contains the place they started registering from, so short of making the site's registration link point to a page preceeding the actual registration, then having different assets for 'registered users' on this page. can I override the url in the confirm email?	22:14
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+MrHairgrease	weirdness	23:25
+MrHairgrease	if you paste this code into the description of a page	23:25
+MrHairgrease	apche will jump to 100% processor and eat up your machine	23:26
+MrHairgrease	http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-perl-737.html	23:26
+MrHairgrease	my guess is it's doin something with macro's	23:26
@preaction	that's crazy talk there	23:28
+MrHairgrease	but it does run	23:28
+MrHairgrease	it's an amazing piece of code	23:29
@preaction	indeed	23:31
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@preaction	i haven't seen colin around in a while	00:36
+MrHairgrease	i was thinking the same when I just joined the channel today	00:37
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@preaction	i'm writing some tests for that code you pasted to try to debug why and ensure it doesn't ever become a problem again, and i was thinking about some changes to the structure of our tests	00:37
@preaction	wanted to run it by him... hum...	00:38
@rizen	colin hasn't been around for a while because he injured himself	00:38
@rizen	so instead of coding time	00:38
@rizen	he has therapy time	00:39
+MrHairgrease	injured?	00:39
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+MrHairgrease	will he be at the wuc?	00:39
@rizen	yes he'll be there	00:40
+MrHairgrease	ok	00:40
+MrHairgrease	that's good	00:40
@preaction	my test succeeds, but it takes a few seconds in the test environment.	00:41
@rizen	yo mamma	00:41
@preaction	during which, i imagine, the process is 100% cpu	00:42
@preaction	or not... weird	00:42
@preaction	maybe it's because there's only the weird text itself, and not a page style around it	00:43
@preaction	there are five macros that get opened in that string, and only one of them gets closed, so the processor i assume keeps going until it reaches the end of the text. the problem is the regex recursion, since it's one regex, it's causing that intensive loop	00:46
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xootom	is password recovery with email address working for other people?	02:11
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cap10morgan	Am I correct in assuming that the HTTP proxy wobject can't handle redirects from the thing it's proxying?	02:14
cap10morgan	oh, no, it seems i am not. the code is there, but something's not working, hmm...	02:30
@rizen	do you have follow redirects turned on	02:31
@rizen	in the http proxy	02:31
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xootom	if I set allow password recovery to email address, there is no password recovery form on my site, what could be breaking it?	02:47
xootom	with user profile fields is ok though	02:48
@preaction	xootom, what version? there were some necessary fixes to the system, and a complete overhaul in 7.4	02:50
xootom	7.4.5, i've just tried with another site on the same wre/webgui though which is ok	02:52
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xootom	doesnt seem to be a template problem	03:05
@rizen	i doubt it's a bug since it works on plainblack.com	03:09
xootom	yeah it works on my server on other instances of the site too	03:12
xootom	the form is just missing though on my main site	03:12
@preaction	there were changes to the form, are you using the default template?	03:16
xootom	yeah and compared it with a working site, its the same	03:17
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xootom	strange, I think I'll have to abandon it for today, in the WebGUI auth in sub emailRecoverPassword it's rendering hidden fields and the form, but the text, email and submit elements aren't coming through	03:44
xootom	could it be conflicting with my utility interface template's login form i wonder	03:46
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cap10morgan	rizen: yeah, i have follow redirects on (sorry, just saw your response)	06:00
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knowmad	can anyone enlighten me about using session scratch to store stuff?	15:34
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@rizen	$session->scratch->set("x", "here's my data");	16:41
@rizen	scratch variables persist for the duration of the session	16:42
@rizen	so until the user logs out, or is logged out by session time out	16:42
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ckotil	then is it <tmpl_var x> to call on it?	17:45
@rizen	to call on what?	17:48
@rizen	scratch variables?	17:48
knowmad	ok, thanks rizen. i'm actually on a different course b/c like ckotil points out, i'm not sure how to grab it back out.	17:56
knowmad	plus i need to grab it back on a per-user basis while iterating over a loop in the InOutBoard wobject. it makes more sense to set the profile field during login.	17:57
knowmad	are you guys using the runOnLogin config option? I've got a post to the support forum about it. I don't see how it works because it looks like it's using the macro module to process the command.	17:58
@rizen	runOnLogin is being used by one of our clients	17:58
@rizen	$session->scratch->get("x) is how you get it back out	17:58
knowmad	good. so it does work.	17:58
@rizen	$session->scratch->get("x")	17:59
knowmad	but how would that work inside the loop in InOutBoard where i'm iterating over many users. i'd have to instantiate new sessions for each user to get their scratch setting wouldn't I?	17:59
@rizen	yes	18:00
@rizen	if you were trying to set it on each user's session	18:00
knowmad	with >50 users, that sounds slow	18:00
@rizen	assuming they even have sessions	18:00
knowmad	that's a good point as well	18:00
knowmad	that's why i'm thinking using the runOnLogin script to set a profile value	18:00
@rizen	perhaps you should just tell me what you're trying to do	18:01
knowmad	i just don't know what's coming into that script when it is called.	18:01
@rizen	the end result	18:01
knowmad	end result is to set a phone ext for each user as they login	18:01
knowmad	each day the user may be at a different extension and we need to show that info in the inout board	18:01
@rizen	so how could you use runOnLogin to do that?	18:02
knowmad	it's working with a profile field but changing it is a pain, esp since they do not allow users to alter their profiles which means an admin would have to do it	18:02
knowmad	i could use a script to take an extra form param from the login form and set the profile field	18:02
@rizen	nope	18:02
@rizen	the form data isn't being sent to the runOnLogin command	18:03
knowmad	if session obj is passed to script, i could use session->form->param(). or maybe not....	18:03
@rizen	you can't pass an object to a script	18:03
knowmad	then i could pass it in on a command line via FormParam macro?	18:03
@rizen	think about it	18:03
knowmad	yeah, i see...	18:03
knowmad	about passing an object	18:03
knowmad	to be honest, i don't see how that script is getting called	18:04
@rizen	the script gets called like this:	18:04
knowmad	it looks like it's using the macro utility to do it and the macros do receive objects	18:04
@rizen	here: /path/to/script ^@; ^whatever; ^somemacro;	18:04
@rizen	it is'nt sending objects	18:05
@rizen	it's sending strings	18:05
@rizen	so your script needs to read those from ARGV	18:05
@rizen	and the command string	18:05
@rizen	is what you put in the config file	18:05
@rizen	macros and all	18:06
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knowmad	so i should use the _utility.skeleton to base my script on	18:06
@rizen	yup	18:06
knowmad	do you think using the FormParam macro will work?	18:07
@rizen	provided that you customize your login form to add the extra value	18:07
@rizen	then yyes	18:07
knowmad	great. i'll let you know how it goes	18:07
knowmad	so can you tell me why the WebGUI::Macro::process method is used to call the command? i'd think that it would process a Macro instead of execute a command.	18:08
knowmad	see WebGUI::Auth.pm line 678	18:09
knowmad	the comment in WebGUI::Macro.pm says: "Runs all the WebGUI macros to and replaces them in the HTML with their output."	18:10
knowmad	what does that mean?	18:10
knowmad	ohh, i see, it's how you replace the macro with the output in the command string	18:11
knowmad	still, it looks like there's a typo in the comment	18:11
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dionak	does anyone know of any plans to work on the inbox? I'm looking into this feature and am curious if work is already going on in this area...	19:03
@rizen	7.4 and 7.5 both have improvements to the inbox	19:03
@rizen	7.4 has a whole new interface as well as private messaging	19:04
@rizen	7.5 adds a friends system, so you can easily send messages back and forth between friends	19:04
dionak	i've noticed...the private messaging but i didn't see the messages between friends. i'm looking at the source in svn...	19:05
dionak	i need to be able to delete messages and i created a test for WebGUI::Inbox.	19:05
dionak	i have delete working btw.	19:06
dionak	where do i find the messages between friends?	19:06
@rizen	it's not in svn yet cuz we haven't branched for 7.5 yet	19:07
dionak	oh, ok. is there a timeline in place?	19:07
@rizen	incidentally, i won't accept the delete code unless it simply marks the message deleted, and doesn't display it	19:07
@rizen	it can't actually delete the message	19:07
dionak	that would be my preference but i'm currently using the delete method that existed. are you planning to make an inbox look like any existing mail application?	19:08
dionak	i could change the code to set status = 'deleted' if that's acceptable	19:08
@rizen	yup, that's fine	19:08
dionak	cool	19:08
@rizen	the look and feel of the inbox as it is in 7.4 is the only change we have planned for the short term	19:09
@rizen	longer term we plan on building a whole new account management screen set	19:09
@rizen	including the inbox	19:09
@rizen	but i don't know what version that would be	19:10
dionak	i'd be happy to contribute to the inbox if that's useful.	19:10
@rizen	we're always up for contributions. simply document what you want to change, and email it to me.	19:10
dionak	ok, will do. thanks	19:11
@rizen	then once we're branched for 7.5 you can start checking in your changes	19:11
dionak	gotcha	19:11
@rizen	does anyone here know how to use Parse::RecDescent	19:11
@rizen	i'm having a hard time with it	19:12
dionak	knowmad is pretty familiar with that...	19:12
@rizen	knowmad, r u around?	19:12
knowmad	hey rizen, what's up?	19:13
knowmad	ahh, recdescent. that's a fun module!	19:13
@rizen	i'm trying to learn it	19:13
@rizen	so i've created a custom config file format for screwing around with	19:14
knowmad	yeah, it's a mind bender	19:14
@rizen	and i've started writing my grammar	19:14
@rizen	but it doesn't work	19:14
knowmad	but it's awesome when you get it working	19:14
@rizen	here's the perl	19:14
@rizen	http://rafb.net/p/LZjqLB48.html	19:14
knowmad	you read my mind :)	19:14
knowmad	what about the config file?	19:14
@rizen	here's the config	19:14
@rizen	http://rafb.net/p/BB3sAo80.html	19:14
@rizen	i just recently made a change that makes it so it won't even run	19:15
@rizen	let me remove that and paste again	19:15
@rizen	ok, new code: http://rafb.net/p/RBuIbh56.html	19:16
@rizen	and here's the output i'm getting: http://rafb.net/p/2cNy2d22.html	19:16
@rizen	i'm getting the data just fine	19:17
@rizen	but i want the structure to include the directives too...like a hash reference, so i know what the data represents	19:17
knowmad	i'm running it local	19:17
knowmad	there are callbacks you can run when matching to grab that info	19:20
knowmad	i've got a lunch mtg to get to but can find an example for you when i get back in around 3ish	19:20
@rizen	thanks	19:20
knowmad	i'll im when i get back to see where you get	19:20
knowmad	you'll prob. figure it out while i'm out ;)	19:20
@rizen	i'm probably going to have to give up	19:20
@rizen	i don't really have enough time to do this right now	19:21
knowmad	leave it and i'll get back to you this afternoon	19:21
dionak	jt, do you have a guesstimate on the branch for 7.5?	19:43
@rizen	when all the bugs on the bug list for 7.4 are gone	19:44
@rizen	hopefully next week	19:44
@rizen	but that's really up to Haarg and the rest of the community	19:45
dionak	ok, thanks.	19:45
dionak	where is the bug list?	19:45
@rizen	webgui.org/bugs	19:45
@rizen	exclude any plainblack.com, and wre bugs	19:45
@rizen	the only ones that matter for stable are WebGUI bugs	19:45
dionak	ok. how do you make sure people aren't working on the same thing?	19:46
dionak	or do you?	19:46
@rizen	the tradition is that while you're working on a bug you reply to it and say you're working on it	19:48
@rizen	and then you reply again when you're no longer working	19:48
dionak	cool. thanks.	19:48
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knowmad	rizen, yt?	22:38
knowmad	i've got something for you to play with.	22:39
knowmad	http://rafb.net/p/cpSFb868.html	22:40
cap10morgan	anyone know of someone working on adding OpenID authentication to WebGUI?	22:40
knowmad	yeah, there's a post in add ons for it	22:41
cap10morgan	oh yeah?	22:41
cap10morgan	groovy	22:41
knowmad	and it sounds pretty complete. i'm hoping for a project to be able to try it myself.	22:41
cap10morgan	yeah, i've got one now, so this is good news. :) thanks knowmad	22:42
knowmad	but none so far. please post a reply to the guy if you try it.	22:42
cap10morgan	for sure	22:42
knowmad	yes, it's always a joy to find out that someone else has done the dirty work for you :)	22:42
cap10morgan	no doubt	22:42
knowmad	maybe you can help me	22:42
knowmad	i need to update a user profile field from an external script	22:43
knowmad	assuming i have a user object, any suggestions for what to use to do this?	22:43
@rizen	if you have a user object then you just call the profileField method	22:44
@rizen	$user->profileField("email", 'me@you.com');	22:44
@rizen	thanks for the code	22:45
@rizen	i'll take a look	22:45
knowmad	yeah, hope it works out. i'm sure you'll figure out how to get the output you need	22:45
@rizen	ohly crap	22:46
@rizen	it just works	22:46
knowmad	:)	22:47
@rizen	i've been playing with the return strings now for quite a while	22:47
knowmad	RD is like that! Hats off to Damian.	22:47
@rizen	and got close, but still not right	22:47
@rizen	i don't understand why yours works though	22:47
@rizen	you're creating strings	22:47
@rizen	is the return value supposed to be a string?	22:48
@rizen	oh wait	22:48
knowmad	that's my understanding but to be honest i grabbed that code from an old script I wrote and plugged it in. let me send you a bunch of url's i used while developing it	22:48
@rizen	nevermind, yours isn't working	22:48
@rizen	yours is just returning strings	22:48
knowmad	i thought that was strange that you'd want it in that format	22:48
@rizen	not an actual hash	22:49
@rizen	no, what i want is for it to create a hash	22:49
knowmad	i suspect you can change that behavior	22:49
@rizen	i'm sure i can, but it's going to take a lot more dinking around	22:49
knowmad	lemme pull the POD	22:49
@rizen	i can get it to the point where it gives me an array of hash references	22:50
@rizen	which i suppose i can then just merge into a giant hash	22:50
knowmad	but that'd take addt'l work outside of the parser	22:51
knowmad	there's a way to populate a hash as you parse. hold on a sec...	22:52
@rizen	i've got it working, now, but through a total jury rig	22:53
@rizen	i'm sure there is a better way to do it	22:53
@rizen	here's my code that works	22:55
@rizen	http://rafb.net/p/PG2fo869.html	22:55
@rizen	and the output: http://rafb.net/p/Vd52EQ26.html	22:55
@rizen	but i'm cheating cuz i'm using an external hash	22:55
@rizen	rather than the data structure created by Parse::RecDescent	22:56
knowmad	ok, got somethin	22:57
knowmad	but you beat me to the punch	22:57
@rizen	so you're using an external hash too?	22:58
knowmad	and i see that you break out value and units in yours	22:58
knowmad	yes, an external hash that gets populated via the parser	22:58
knowmad	wanna see the code?	22:58
@rizen	sure	22:58
@rizen	isn't that cheating though?	22:58
@rizen	or is that the way you're supposed to do it?	22:58
knowmad	http://rafb.net/p/fmb1Dt34.html	22:59
knowmad	using an external hash?	22:59
@rizen	yeah?	22:59
@rizen	shouldn't we be using the data structure that the parser creates?	22:59
knowmad	i don't see why it's cheating but I'm no PRD expert	22:59
@preaction	parser doesn't really create a structure. it can modify text in-place if you give it a scalar-ref instead of a scalar	23:00
knowmad	check out this - http://search.cpan.org/~dconway/Parse-RecDescent-1.94/lib/Parse/RecDescent.pod#Autoactions	23:00
@preaction	it's weird, i just got into it yesterday	23:00
@preaction	had to use local for the first time ever (at least, proper use of local)	23:01
@rizen	it does create a structure preaction	23:01
@preaction	oh, hmm	23:01
knowmad	his example shows using the code blocks (though not an external data structure)	23:01
@rizen	if you do Dumper($parser->parse) it outputs an array ref	23:01
@preaction	ohhh that's what $return is	23:01
@rizen	right	23:01
@preaction	dur, that would work far better than what i was doing for the macros	23:01
knowmad	are there methods that can be called on the object?	23:02
knowmad	but return is just a string	23:02
knowmad	actually i take that back	23:02
knowmad	looking at the POD he shows examples of return returnings an array. so i guess it could also return a hashref which is essentially what i did in my latest code example.	23:02
@preaction	rizen, fyi: the few benchmarks i've been able to complete (hard to do due to Out Of Memory errors) say that with just one macro containing one nested macro, PRD is 25% faster	23:03
@preaction	with 7 of those macros in the same text, it's almost 1000% faster	23:03
@rizen	yeah, but i want to see it inside of a bunch of HTML	23:03
@rizen	that's the true benchmark	23:03
@rizen	if you just take the output of a default site	23:04
@rizen	and run it on that	23:04
@preaction	i can only do a few hundred iterations, but i'll assemble a style from a demo	23:04
@rizen	incidentally Haarg wrote one using a different kind of regex that was also 1000% faster	23:05
@preaction	nice	23:05
@rizen	however, his didnt' take into account macros that output macro code	23:05
@rizen	like when you call ^AssetProxy();	23:05
@rizen	that might output macros	23:05
@rizen	does yours take care of that?	23:05
@Haarg	mine could do that, i just haven't written it to do so yet	23:06
@preaction	i'm not sure, i just call the parser to parse nested macros	23:06
@preaction	i don't think it does for a couple cases yet	23:06
@rizen	I know Haarg, but your benchmarks don't include that	23:06
@rizen	it's all well and good to say that A outperforms B by 1000%. But if A and B aren't doing the same thing then it's not a very good test	23:07
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@Haarg	yeah	23:07
+MrHairgrease	rizen	23:07
@rizen	mhg	23:07
@Haarg	i'm pretty sure it would still be significantly faster	23:08
+MrHairgrease	it is true that importAssetData is not being called if you extend it in a wobject?	23:08
@rizen	i'm not saying it wouldn't	23:08
@rizen	and i hope it is	23:08
@rizen	just like i hope preaction's is	23:08
@preaction	i've got a benchmark script, but it seems to destroy sites	23:08
+MrHairgrease	maybe i'm just fucking up	23:08
@preaction	(probably because of the OOM errors and not being able to properly rollback)	23:09
@rizen	well you have to do $self->SUPER::importAssetData(@_);	23:09
+MrHairgrease	but i'm trying to fix roys memory wobject so that it also exports some collateral data	23:09
@rizen	are you doing that?	23:09
+MrHairgrease	i did that	23:09
@rizen	well then it should be	23:09
+MrHairgrease	the thing is that I put a whole bunch of warns in there to monitor what it's doing	23:10
+MrHairgrease	and they're not showing up in the logs	23:10
@rizen	did you restart apache afterward?	23:10
+MrHairgrease	nor does some table get updated	23:10
+MrHairgrease	yeah	23:10
+MrHairgrease	but	23:10
+MrHairgrease	let me try again	23:10
+MrHairgrease	hmm	23:12
+MrHairgrease	still doesn't work	23:12
+MrHairgrease	I get some weird errors though	23:13
cap10morgan	is there a way to manually reset a webgui user's password in the db? i've tried setting it to the output of md5(password), old_password(password), and password(password), but no luck	23:13
cap10morgan	(the identifier field in the authentication table)	23:13
+MrHairgrease	2007/09/13 22:11:25 - ERROR - dev2.conf - Log::Log4perl::Layout::PatternLayout::render[[undef]] - Could not set uid/gid on '/data/domains/dev2/public/uploads/4-/lH/4-lHDT_qzyaWK3X	23:13
+MrHairgrease	vdlH-tQ/thumb-roy.png	23:13
+MrHairgrease	but that file is there _with_ the right privs	23:13
+MrHairgrease	somehow WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Memory->importAssetData is not called	23:14
+MrHairgrease	or so it seems	23:14
+MrHairgrease	oh crap	23:14
+MrHairgrease	I think i found it	23:15
+MrHairgrease	197 my $asset = $assets{$data->{properties}{parentId}} \|\| $self;	23:15
+MrHairgrease	198 my $newAsset = $asset->importAssetData($data);	23:15
+MrHairgrease	so importAssetData is called on another asset than the one that is being imported	23:15
+MrHairgrease	right?	23:15
+MrHairgrease	it is	23:16
+MrHairgrease	the parent asset to be precise	23:16
+MrHairgrease	so the importAssetData method is called on the wrong asset	23:17
+MrHairgrease	or maybe not the wrong	23:17
+MrHairgrease	but in a way that I cannot extend it	23:17
@rizen	you can extend it	23:17
@rizen	if you couldn't then you wouldn't be able to import images	23:17
@rizen	which are an extension of a file	23:18
@rizen	oh, but nevermind	23:18
+MrHairgrease	hmm	23:18
@rizen	that doesn't override anything	23:18
@rizen	it just inherits	23:18
+MrHairgrease	yeah	23:18
+MrHairgrease	that's what i mean	23:18
+MrHairgrease	but let me check it out to be sure	23:18
+MrHairgrease	Image assets don't have the method	23:19
+MrHairgrease	oh	23:19
+MrHairgrease	thta was what you were saying	23:19
+MrHairgrease	actually	23:20
+MrHairgrease	ont AssetPackage.pm has it	23:20
+MrHairgrease	exporting collateral data works great by the	23:21
+MrHairgrease	exportAssetData is extendible	23:21
@rizen	i don't understand why is import not extendible?	23:22
@rizen	oh	23:23
@rizen	nevermind	23:23
@rizen	it's the same reason that when you call www_add	23:23
@rizen	you're calling it on the parent	23:23
+MrHairgrease	yeah	23:23
@rizen	the asset doesn't exist yet	23:23
@rizen	so why do you need to extend it?	23:23
+MrHairgrease	b/c	23:23
@rizen	if www_add works, then so should import	23:23
+MrHairgrease	the memory asset has images for the memory cards	23:24
+MrHairgrease	and stores them in a table called MemoryImage	23:24
+MrHairgrease	teh images are in storage locations	23:24
+MrHairgrease	exporting and importing the images themselves work fine	23:24
+MrHairgrease	but inserting the correct rows in that table must be done from importassetdata	23:25
+MrHairgrease	and no	23:25
+MrHairgrease	www_add is called on the parent	23:25
@rizen	that's what i said	23:25
+MrHairgrease	which call geteditform on the to be created asset	23:25
+MrHairgrease	so ther you can do your magick	23:25
+MrHairgrease	not in add	23:25
@rizen	ok, so the problem here is that you have collateral data	23:26
+MrHairgrease	yeah	23:26
@rizen	and the import system doesn't account for that	23:26
+MrHairgrease	apparently	23:26
+MrHairgrease	however	23:26
+MrHairgrease	it's perfectly possible to export collateral data into apckage	23:27
+MrHairgrease	a package*	23:27
+MrHairgrease	you just cannot import it again	23:27
+MrHairgrease	which kind of defies the purpous of being able to export it =)	23:27
@rizen	right	23:27
@rizen	so add a method to WebGUI::AssetPackage called importAssetCollateralData	23:28
@rizen	make it empty by default	23:28
+MrHairgrease	that would work	23:28
@rizen	and have it called on the newly imported asset	23:28
+MrHairgrease	yeah	23:28
@rizen	you have my blessing to do so and add it to svn	23:28
+MrHairgrease	ok	23:28
+MrHairgrease	will do	23:28
+MrHairgrease	there's also another bug i found	23:29
+MrHairgrease	by default JSON will return objects called JSON::NotString (ort something like that) in the datastructures returned by JSON::jsonToObj	23:29
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+MrHairgrease	which will cause the import to die	23:30
+MrHairgrease	the fix is setting this before you convert the datasturcture	23:30
knowmad	rizen, here's my refactored version of a RD parser using the built-in $return object --> http://rafb.net/p/scUEbb94.html	23:30
+MrHairgrease	$JSON::UnMapping = 1;	23:30
@rizen	mhg: that fix won't cause any other problems anywhere?	23:31
+MrHairgrease	I have no idea	23:31
+MrHairgrease	but we can set it back	23:31
+MrHairgrease	what it does is	23:31
+MrHairgrease	return null as undef true as 1	23:31
+MrHairgrease	and false a zero	23:31
+MrHairgrease	in stead of JSON::NoStriong objects	23:32
+MrHairgrease	if you don't do it webgui will complain like this:	23:32
+MrHairgrease	2007/09/13 12:47:43 - WARN - dev2.conf - Log::Log4perl::Logger::__ANON__[41] - Couldn't call method importPackage on asset for url: root Root cause: Operation "eq": no method foun	23:32
+MrHairgrease	d,	23:32
+MrHairgrease	left argument in overloaded package JSON::NotString,	23:32
+MrHairgrease	right argument has no overloaded magic at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm line 2097.	23:32
+MrHairgrease	this was caused by an undef synopsis field	23:33
@rizen	knowmad, thanks, but i did that before	23:33
@rizen	you'll note that isn't the same output	23:33
@rizen	it's creating an array of hashreferences	23:33
@rizen	i c	23:34
@rizen	in that case, do it mhg	23:34
+MrHairgrease	ok	23:34
+MrHairgrease	but first	23:34
+MrHairgrease	im gonna have dinner	23:34
+MrHairgrease	it's 22:30 over here	23:34
+MrHairgrease	and I'm getting hungry =)	23:35
@rizen	hehe	23:35
@rizen	have a beer too	23:35
+MrHairgrease	I already have	23:35
@rizen	but don't hack webgui druknk	23:35
@rizen	drunk	23:35
+MrHairgrease	no worries	23:35
+MrHairgrease	I prolly don't have time before monday	23:36
+MrHairgrease	ok	23:36
+MrHairgrease	see you	23:36
@Haarg	that fix with $JSON::UnMapping is already in	23:39
+MrHairgrease	ok	23:39
+MrHairgrease	cool	23:39
+MrHairgrease	bye	23:39
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@rizen	Haarg rules	23:39
knowmad	rizen, can i see your solution?	23:44
@rizen	sure, but it's pretty much the same as before: http://rafb.net/p/mbbxV466.html	23:46
@rizen	although one of your examples did teach me the cool rulevar directive	23:46
knowmad	cool. it's different than the version you posted before lunch.	23:47
@rizen	oh	23:47
@rizen	sorry, about 3pm ish when you came back i posted it again	23:47
knowmad	musta missed it	23:47
@rizen	i must not have caught your attention though	23:47
@rizen	it's cool that you can write your own little programming language with Parse::RecDescent	23:48
@rizen	i'm starting to wonder why more modules don't use it	23:48
knowmad	yeah, it's a fascinating module	23:48
@rizen	i'd think that template toolkit and HTML::Template would be faster if they were written using it	23:48
knowmad	i don't know what the overhead is for using it. seems like i saw some discussion about that somewhere.	23:49
@rizen	thanks for your help btw	23:50
knowmad	yw	23:50
@rizen	the reason i started learning this is because at perl mongers tonight i'm doing a talk on using perl for system adminstration	23:50
@rizen	and there are lots of config file parsers out there	23:50
knowmad	it was a fun challenge and i don't use PRD enough in my day-to-day work	23:50
@rizen	but i wanted to show them what they could do if they couldn't find one to parse some config they come across	23:51
@rizen	yeah...it's not something you'd use every day	23:51
knowmad	wish i could be there. sounds like fun.	23:51
@rizen	the presentation and an mp3 file will be posted to madmongers.org afterward if you are interested	23:51
knowmad	great. i'll check it out.	23:52
@rizen	again, thanks	23:52
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@rizen	btw...there are a couple of bofs at the wuc you may be interested in	23:53
knowmad	have a good one	23:53
@rizen	check out the wuc wiki and sign up if you're interested	23:53
knowmad	where are the BOFs posted?	23:53
knowmad	plainblack.com/wuc?	23:53
@rizen	yup	23:53
knowmad	ok, will do	23:53
knowmad	i didn't know about the BOF's. might be a good news piece.	23:53
@rizen	good point	23:54
@rizen	i'll have kristi write something up	23:54
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nuba	hey jt	00:14
@rizen	howdy	00:14
@rizen	how's maps?	00:14
nuba	just saw your email from yesterday	00:14
nuba	no good news, im afraid :/	00:14
nuba	many things happened here	00:14
nuba	got a monster flu and stayed in bed for week+	00:15
@rizen	i'm sorry to hear that	00:15
@rizen	any chance it will be working before the wuc?	00:15
nuba	then hectic schedule at work, post-vacation, if you know what i mean	00:15
nuba	then on top of that my grandma is hanging in a thread, not sure if i'll stay in rio or travel to middle of south-america at any moment	00:16
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@rizen	crappy	00:16
nuba	so yeah yo ucan say its all working agsint the idea of the sept 15 target date	00:16
@preaction	when i'm running benchmarks for these things, do i have to destroy/re-open the session between iterations? i get some impossible figures: 0.021 seconds to run 500 pages through the REGEX engine	00:16
nuba	maybe for the wuc	00:16
nuba	not for sept 15 for sure	00:16
nuba	i did a lot more of research on googlemaps after 7.4 was released	00:17
nuba	did all tutorials on a couple of hacking-googlemaps books i got	00:18
nuba	and some coding to the asset, but not a lot	00:18
nuba	thats the state of the union	00:18
@rizen	sorry to hear about your grandma, thanks for the update	00:19
nuba	np, sorry for the delay, im not being online a lot lately	00:19
@rizen	preaction: better if you do	00:19
nuba	thanks re: grandma	00:20
nuba	hows the schedule plan for 7.5 ? got any already?	00:21
@rizen	that will be announced at the wuc	00:22
nuba	that meaning no 7.5.0 before mid-oct, then?	00:23
@rizen	correct	00:24
nuba	ok	00:24
@rizen	at least as far as i'm willing to say publically at this time	00:24
nuba	ok	00:25
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cap10morgan	most of the time when i commit things, spectre gets a 500 internal server error on the first try (and sometimes the second...); i have no idea what's going on, but is there any place to start debugging it? if i restart spectre, it will commit just fine.	02:08
@preaction	can WebGUI connect to spectre? are the spectreIp and spectrePort settings in your webgui.conf correct?	02:09
cap10morgan	yeah, like i said, it will eventually go through, and if i restart spectre, it goes through	02:09
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dionak	does anyone know where the hover help js and css is?	04:11
dionak	for instance, when you're in a tab in admin and hover over an element, hover help is displayed in a box...	04:11
wgGuest08	How do I edit the rc.webgui - adding TZ info?	04:12
dionak	what are you trying to do?	04:14
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wgGuest08	I'm following WRE instruction for Binaries and it's the last step before I start WRE	04:16
dionak	i see why you're asking. it sounds like a top level variable. i'm not a plainblack developer, btw. have you tried adding it as a top level variable? unfortunately, i'm running wre 0.8 so I don't have rc.webgui anymore to test...	04:24
dionak	just upgraded today	04:24
dionak	or you could set it command line tonight via export and post to support or the forums	04:25
dionak	another thought, if it works exporting via command line...you could add the export to the .bashrc of the user that starts webgui on boot.	04:26
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wgGuest08	I'm setting up a server at home for testing before I get commercial hosting. I don't knoe much about webgui, but I was following the WRE Instructions fine until I got to the time zone issue	04:28
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dionak	so you echoed $TZ and got nothing back i'm guessing. i think any of these suggestions would work. i'm lazy so if i were testing, i would first try setting it command line and, if that worked, add it to the .bashrc of the user starting the rc.webgui (probably root)	04:36
dionak	try that and let me know if it works	04:37
wgGuest08	I'm on SSH - what exactly do I have to do. I'm the only user.	04:39
dionak	try typing 'export TZ=<your timezone>' and starting rc.webgui	04:40
dionak	oh, after typing export TZ=<timezone>, type 'echo $TZ' to see what the result is..	04:40
dionak	you should get whatever you entered. make sure it's a valid tz	04:41
dionak	where are you?	04:41
dionak	i'm 'America/New York'	04:42
wgGuest08	Same	04:42
dionak	or US/Eastern	04:42
dionak	try US/Eastern	04:42
wgGuest08	The export cmd worked.	04:43
wgGuest08	Thank you	04:43
dionak	is webgui working?	04:43
dionak	you're welcome	04:43
wgGuest08	WebGUI started.	04:45
dionak	great!	04:45
dionak	glad i could help...	04:45
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elnino	hello. I thought I saw somewhere in webgui a place where you can "temporarily" turn off webgui and put upa "maaintainance page" was I dreaming?	07:28
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elnino	sorry, I lost connection.	07:37
elnino	I thought I saw somewhere in webgui where I could temporarily take down webgui andput up a maintainance page. Was I dreaming?	07:38
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@rizen	the end of the world is near	17:06
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@rizen	see, i told you	17:08
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nuba	rizen: i once submitted a bug with the subject "TagCloud (Keywords.pm)", with a patch,	19:17
nuba	so that "this thing" would be treated as a single tag	19:17
nuba	instead of '"this' being one tag, and 'thing"' being another tag	19:17
nuba	i see the bug was closed long ago, but browsing the HEAD for Keyword.pm, it seems it was just ignored	19:18
nuba	it is still splitting on " "	19:21
nuba	.oO(btw assuming Perl Best Practices is to be followed to the line, then it should be q{ } instead of " ")	19:23
nuba	oh i searched the thread and im seeing your reply only now.	19:25
nuba	you think the escaped tag with " feature is "neither intended nor desired" ?	19:26
nuba	its funny, having to use only single-word tags sounds weird, counter-intuitive to me	19:28
@rizen	tags on almost every site in the world are single word tags	19:31
@rizen	that's why i rejected it	19:31
@rizen	however, feel free to reopen the RFE, and i'll approve it this time. i've thought about it since i closed the rfe and decided that it doesn't really hurt anything to allow multi-word keywords	19:32
nuba	it was a bug; should I reopen the bug or head for a RFE instead?	19:40
dionak	sounds like an RFE...	20:01
@rizen	rfe	20:37
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jdan	Hi, Is it any function in API to validate date before make some farther operations? I'm using setToEpoch function and if someone enter wrong date function aborts	20:54
@preaction_	"aborts"? it doesn't return undef?	20:55
jdan	In my case WebGUI reports: 2007/09/14 15:34:23 - WARN - webgui7.conf - main::[[undef]] - Couldn't call method editOfferSave on asset for url: oferty Root cause: Invalid day of month (day = 31 - month = 09) at /usr/share/perl5/DateTime/Format/Strptime.pm line 444	20:55
@preaction_	might want to use DateTime yourself then. there's a nice wrapper around it for WebGUI: WebGUI::DateTime	20:56
@preaction_	or you could trap with an eval BLOCK	20:57
jdan	I tried it but I had some problems. Of course I'll try one more.	20:59
jdan	Another question is how to use WebGUI::HTMLForm in wobect function? When I use it form is incomlet and JavaScripts not supoort pools like date.	21:00
jdan	My pools don't have popup callendars etc	21:01
@preaction_	uhm. you're going to need to give me a more specific question and an example of what you're doing, what it does, and what you want it to do	21:02
@preaction_	perlbot pastebin	21:02
perlbot	(see paste)	21:02
@preaction_	perlbot paste	21:03
perlbot	Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it.	21:03
jdan	not pool, data fileld ... sory	21:03
@preaction_	the session->style->setScript is called by the WebGUI::Form::DateTime control and gets the proper javascript it needs	21:04
jdan	I pasted my little code. See it at http://sial.org/pbot/27490	21:08
jdan	At this code I have two importand problems. First is date validation. Second is attachments display. It doesn't work the same like in operations mode.	21:09
@preaction_	date validation should happen at the javascript level, but no date calendar is popping up? are there any script errors?	21:11
@preaction_	what is "operations mode"?	21:11
jdan	For me opration mode is when I call ?op=opertion	21:13
@preaction_	what version are you running?	21:14
jdan	I think last, I'll check it	21:15
jdan	7.3.21-stable	21:16
@preaction_	the only thing i can think of for the attachments code is that you seem to be duplicating what the Image control does. it handles all the displaying and validating of attachments for you	21:18
@preaction_	and date you're going to have to eval { }	21:18
jdan	okey, I'am adding eval block	21:21
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jdan	It's little complex for me. How should I use WebGUI::DateTime in order to get data from form? When I run: $publicToDate = WebGUI::DateTime->new($session->form->process("publicToDate")); it return undef to variable	21:49
seriftron	Hi, I am having some issues importing a package into 7.5.6-beta. I get errors like "Could not set uid/gid on '/data/WebGUI/www/uploads/7P/7B/7P7BOhr303Qz7x2110miCA/thumb-headerBg.gif' for all of the files in the package. When I check the user/group permissions on the file manually, all appears to be well. The files do not appear, though. And, strangely, I can see a listing of the package's files under the version tag I try to	22:00
seriftron	import under.	22:00
seriftron	Has anyone else experienced this?	22:00
@rizen	there is no 7.5.6	22:01
seriftron	Ack - 7.4.6-beta.	22:01
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jdan	Regarding to my problems with date. I managed using $session->datetime->setToEpoch. It parses both human forms: short(without time) and long. And if date is wrong it doesn't abort wobject function.	22:04
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@rizen	seriftron: most likely it's a privileges or path problem	22:22
@rizen	usually your uploadsPath would be /data/domains/www.example.com/public/uploads	22:23
@rizen	but i see you have something iddferent	22:23
seriftron	Hmm. Where is that set?	22:23
@rizen	in your webgui config file	22:23
@rizen	the other thing could be that your "uploads" folder needs to be recursively owned by your web user, which is usually "nobody"	22:24
@preaction_	jdan, you know, if you're using a Date form control, you can just use $session->form->process("name","Date"); and it will give you the epoch time back	22:30
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jdan	preaction_, thanks. Your advice were perfect.	23:02
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nuba	rizen: i saw the rfe was accepted, cool, thx	14:55
nuba	rizen: just for the record, i was being funny in the rfe, not sarcastic	14:57
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@rizen	is there a difference?	17:55
@rizen	sarcastic is funny	17:55
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@khenn	happy day before monday	19:22
@rizen	so it is	19:22
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danny_mk	Hmmm... what is "$webguiRoot{id $self} = $webguiPath;" in Config.pm???	18:19
danny_mk	is that right?	18:19
danny_mk	I know that it is a hash, I am a little concerned about the key because I am getting errors on one of my sites.	18:20
danny_mk	it is on line 160 of Config.pm	18:21
@rizen	that's right	18:22
@rizen	did you upgrade to Config::JSON 1.1.0 or higher?	18:23
danny_mk	hold on, let me check	18:24
danny_mk	darnit, I have to stop asking questions. You always catch me with these simple errors that have to do with updates.	18:25
danny_mk	Config::JSON -- '1.0.3'	18:25
danny_mk	thanks	18:26
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dionak	quick question for anyone that can answer. I need to export data from a dataform object via command line. What's the most direct way to do this? Is there an existing command or script?	20:16
@preaction	use wget to call the appropriate URL?	20:17
@preaction	or curl?	20:17
dionak	idk...it might be easier to just access the db.	20:18
@preaction	the export URL gives you a csv doesn't it?	20:18
dionak	yes but i would need to have the script create a session and login before getting the url.	20:19
+MrHairgrease	why not write a utility script	20:20
+MrHairgrease	just instantiate the asset	20:20
+MrHairgrease	and call www_exportTab on it	20:20
dionak	that sounds appropriate.	20:20
dionak	i'll look into that. thanks.	20:20
+MrHairgrease	it returns the plain tab seperated file	20:20
+MrHairgrease	ok	20:20
dionak	that would be fine...	20:21
dionak	great! thanks MrHairgrease and preaction.	20:21
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rjacobsen	did you guys ever come out with a way to limit the things that would show up in the admin console for different user groups?	21:03
@rizen	yes...in 7.4	21:04
@rizen	under settings	21:04
rjacobsen	and allow (for example) group A to make a new page	21:04
rjacobsen	but group B could not do anything	21:04
+MrHairgrease	that would be asset privs	21:05
+MrHairgrease	those are in the conf file	21:05
@rizen	not to mention the security tab in each asset	21:05
rjacobsen	yikes	21:05
+MrHairgrease	security tab?	21:05
+MrHairgrease	those settings would set who can change an asset right?	21:06
rjacobsen	i have a group and all i want to allow them to do is to create a new web page, import images(file pile)	21:06
+MrHairgrease	not who can create new instances	21:06
rjacobsen	and i would like to limit what they see in the admin console to add a new page	21:07
rjacobsen	and file pile	21:07
+MrHairgrease	you should be able to set that in the conf file	21:07
+MrHairgrease	check out the default file that comes with webgui	21:07
+MrHairgrease	i think it's socumented there	21:08
+MrHairgrease	s/s/d/	21:08
rjacobsen	i have to get with my it for that i guess	21:09
rjacobsen	i wish they would implement the change i asked for :(	21:09
rjacobsen	where when you select a group in webgui, it would bring up a list of admin console items and you could put a check next to the ones you want displayed	21:10
rjacobsen	would make running multiple site and multiple groups very easy to manage	21:11
+MrHairgrease	you should make that an rfe	21:12
+MrHairgrease	i you haven't already	21:12
rjacobsen	i have	21:13
rjacobsen	twice	21:13
+MrHairgrease	=)	21:13
rjacobsen	and was told (by email) that it was implimented 3 patches ago	21:13
rjacobsen	and ......it has not	21:13
+MrHairgrease	ok	21:14
+MrHairgrease	i cannot comment on that	21:14
+MrHairgrease	nor do i want to	21:14
rjacobsen	lol	21:14
+MrHairgrease	i have no idea about the ins and outs	21:14
+MrHairgrease	i'm just hip, fashionable eurotrash with loads of sex appeal =)	21:14
rjacobsen	umm..... O K	21:15
+MrHairgrease	perlbot MrHairgrease	21:22
perlbot	Martin Kamerbeek, aka MrCookingGrease, aka Eurotrash with sex appeal, and is a Contributor of the Year	21:22
+MrHairgrease	see? =)	21:22
dionak	lol	21:28
+crythia1	hee	21:29
+crythia1	perlbot crythias	21:30
+crythia1	whew	21:30
@preaction_	rjacobsen, your RFE was implemented in 7.4. In the Settings tab under the Admin console you can pick what group can see what Admin function. none of the Asset functions are affected by this though	21:39
@preaction_	there's a new tab on the settings screen called Permissions	21:40
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rjacobsen	ok when will stable 7.4 be released? my IT guy refuses to update from 7.3.22 until the 7.4 stable is released :(	23:18
@preaction_	from all reports: this week	23:18
@preaction_	if something bad wrong happens, next	23:18
rjacobsen	ok cool	23:19
rjacobsen	thank you	23:19
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xootom	With one of two sites on my codebase, when I try and import a package, the log contains: Could not set uid/gid on... for every file, though the file has been uploaded and extracted. Looks like someone else had this problem with 7.3.18, and the only other reference Google returns is directly to Archive::Tar. Could it be the filesystem?	00:03
+MrHairgrease	I've seen the same thing, but upon inspection the uid/gid were set	00:25
+MrHairgrease	and everything worked	00:25
+MrHairgrease	so I guess it's not a biggie	00:25
+MrHairgrease	rizen	00:26
+MrHairgrease	when you said that I could add the import collateral data thingy	00:26
+MrHairgrease	did you mean right now?	00:26
+MrHairgrease	or should I wait for the 7.5 dev cycle?	00:26
@rizen	you can add it now as long as you're willing to test it very well. only a very small population of users actually use packages, so i don't think it will hurt much	00:27
+MrHairgrease	ok	00:27
+MrHairgrease	it's a very pailess procedure	00:28
+MrHairgrease	painless	00:28
+MrHairgrease	it'll take only a couple of lines	00:29
@rizen	any aussie's online today?	00:35
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xootom	MrHairgrease - yeah it seems to work just nothing appears in the asset tree	00:46
+MrHairgrease	oh	00:47
+MrHairgrease	which version are you on?	00:47
+MrHairgrease	You'll prolly get errors concerning JSON::NoString in your logs as well rigt?	00:47
xootom	7.4.6, umm no other errors really, and my main site on the same wre is fine	00:49
+MrHairgrease	hmm	00:51
+MrHairgrease	that bug was fixed in 7.4.6	00:51
+MrHairgrease	dunno then	00:51
xootom	not to worry it's only a hobby site	00:51
+MrHairgrease	i'm tsting importing packages too	00:51
+MrHairgrease	when i find something	00:52
+MrHairgrease	i'll let you know	00:52
xootom	ok thanks :)	00:52
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@preaction_	webgui has ads out on google adsense?	02:57
* preaction_ just ran across one		02:57
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xdanger	hmm... I'm importing data through a script but every asset I create has it's own versionTag. Can someone help?	08:12
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@preaction_	xdanger, pastebin your code somewhere?	09:02
@preaction_	are you committing your version tag?	09:02
@preaction_	are you skipping the autocommit workflows?	09:02
xdanger	I just found out about "skipAutoCommitWorkflows"	09:03
xdanger	on addChild	09:03
@preaction_	they only happen on Post/Thread, WikiPage, or Event objects currently	09:03
xdanger	it's threads i'm importing	09:04
xdanger	wohoo... It works... kinda	09:04
xdanger	urls are not that hot...	09:05
@preaction_	kinda?	09:05
@preaction_	when using the API to import data, nothing gets done for you	09:05
xdanger	It doesn't do any of the automatic Thread stuff... like urls, menutitles or like that	09:05
@preaction_	so you have to make your own url, probably using $session->url->urlize( parenturl . menuTitle )	09:05
xdanger	but that's where edit branch comes handy ;)	09:06
@preaction_	or that	09:06
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xdanger	it takes a long time to commit 4000 new threads =)	10:52
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SDuensin	Morning	16:42
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MrHairgreas1	no here's a fun bug	20:08
MrHairgreas1	if you set some asset's edit group to group X	20:08
MrHairgreas1	and after that you delete group X	20:08
MrHairgreas1	you won't be able to do anything with it anymore	20:08
MrHairgreas1	since canEdit will always be false	20:08
MrHairgreas1	unless you're the owner I think	20:09
MrHairgreas1	the reason for this is that WebGUI::Group->new doesn't check if the groupId is actually valid	20:09
MrHairgreas1	and will happily instantiate a new wg::group object	20:10
MrHairgreas1	what i did to fix it is this	20:10
MrHairgreas1	let wg::Group->new check if the groupid is valid	20:10
MrHairgreas1	if not return undef	20:10
MrHairgreas1	in canEdit I put a check if the group object is undef	20:11
MrHairgreas1	if it is use the admin group	20:11
MrHairgreas1	The thing is	20:11
MrHairgreas1	I'm uncertain if that is the right approach?	20:12
MrHairgreas1	any comments?	20:12
@rizen	it's certainly the right approach, but i can't say for sure that it won't break something	20:12
MrHairgreas1	indeed	20:13
@rizen	but i think in this case better to deal with those consequences, than broken code	20:13
MrHairgreas1	the other approch i considred	20:13
MrHairgreas1	is let wg::group return the admin group in case of an invalid gid	20:13
MrHairgreas1	but that seems wrong	20:13
MrHairgreas1	otoh	20:14
@rizen	yeah, don't do that	20:14
MrHairgreas1	that wouldn't break stuff for sure	20:14
MrHairgreas1	but i agree with you not to do it	20:14
MrHairgreas1	shall i fix it in svn?	20:14
MrHairgreas1	the way i described it at first?	20:14
@rizen	yes please	20:15
MrHairgreas1	ok	20:15
MrHairgreas1	will do	20:15
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beatnik	at the perl conference a few weeks ago, recommended I'd take a look at webgui after my talk on the CMS I talked about.. but I have a small question..	21:33
beatnik	is it really a good idea to include apache, perl, mysql, imagemagick and awstats in the "binary" package?	21:33
knowmad	hi beatnik, what is your concern with doing it this way?	21:35
beatnik	that it might screw up my existing perl, apache, mysql and imagemagick installation?	21:35
@rizen	there are only two points at which you can have that kind of overlap	21:36
knowmad	ports are the only problem i can see	21:37
@rizen	one is if you use a mysql config file in /etc/my.cnf	21:37
@rizen	and the other is ports	21:37
knowmad	ah, forgot about the my.cnf file	21:37
@rizen	you obviously can't have two programs running on the same port	21:37
beatnik	but is there a reason to actually include all that stuff?	21:37
@rizen	yes	21:37
@rizen	lots of reasons	21:37
@rizen	1) most operating systems are way behind...don't have all the latest versions that we require	21:37
@rizen	mysql 5 is a big example	21:37
@rizen	for some stupid reason a lot of os's still use mysql 4	21:38
@rizen	also apache 2	21:38
beatnik	but if you set it as a requirement?	21:38
@rizen	for some reason a lot use 1.3	21:38
@rizen	hold on	21:38
@rizen	and because of that, most people don't know how to compile their own versions of those things to get them up to date	21:38
@rizen	2) the versions of software that come with operating systems are compiled and tuned for a general purpose use	21:39
@rizen	the versions that come with the wre are compiled and tuned for webgui	21:39
@rizen	3) webgui has a lot of prereqs	21:39
@rizen	most package management systems don't include all the prereqs	21:39
@rizen	especially in the area of perl modules	21:39
@rizen	4) because the wre has standard versions of everything, and standard file locations	21:40
@rizen	it makes it far easier for us to support	21:40
@rizen	us as a company, and us as a community	21:40
@rizen	5) because of the complex nature of the install and config process for webgui	21:40
@rizen	most people either would never get it installed	21:40
@rizen	or it would take them a week	21:40
@rizen	the wre allows you to get it up and running in under an hour	21:41
@rizen	and the new wre takes that time to less than 10 minutes	21:41
@rizen	ok...so that's our reasoning	21:41
@rizen	go ahead and ask your questions	21:41
knowmad	For my part, I like it because it falls right in line with the Perl virute of Laziness (which I think sums up rizen's response)	21:42
beatnik	ok but let's assume that you want to run other stuff on that apache too?	21:42
beatnik	are you stuck then?	21:43
@rizen	nope	21:43
@rizen	you have three options	21:43
@rizen	1) you can install your other stuff to run under the WRE	21:43
@rizen	2) you can configure the WRE or your OS to use different ports so both can be running simultanously	21:44
@rizen	3) you can run your other stuff on your own apache under some weird port, and then use the WRE's modproxy to bring it under port 80	21:44
@rizen	we do this for example on one of our servers	21:45
@rizen	www.webgui.org is running on the WRE	21:45
beatnik	ok but in "production", running it on different ports is not an option	21:45
@rizen	and svn.webgui.org is running on a different IP and apache on the same box	21:45
@rizen	yes it is	21:45
@rizen	you can either run it on separate IPs	21:45
@rizen	like i just said	21:45
@rizen	or you can run it on a weird port, and then use modproxy to bring it into port 80	21:46
beatnik	I understand what you mean and technically it makes sense..	21:46
@rizen	also like i just said	21:46
@rizen	also	21:46
@rizen	there's nothing stopping you from just installing WebGUI from source	21:46
@rizen	other than a whole lot of time to get all the prereqs installed	21:46
@rizen	we don't force anybody to use the WRE	21:46
@rizen	we just recommend it because your life will be easier, guaranteed	21:47
beatnik	forgive me for being a pain in the ass :)	21:47
@rizen	you're not	21:47
@rizen	this is a common question	21:47
@rizen	because it goes outside normal thought patterns	21:47
@rizen	but this is actually becoming more and more the standard	21:47
@rizen	Damian Conway gave a speech about this very topic at OSCON this year	21:48
@rizen	do you know who he is?	21:48
beatnik	the only talk I saw Damian give this year was in Vienna about physics	21:48
beatnik	in fact, I have 2 of his books.. signed ;)	21:48
@rizen	excellent	21:48
@rizen	then you know that he's not a dumb guy	21:48
beatnik	au contraire :D	21:49
beatnik	I know that big companies are also providing "packages"	21:49
beatnik	but those packages are usually running on dedicated servers..	21:49
@rizen	the WRE is really designed to run on a dedicated box too	21:50
@rizen	but many people share it	21:50
@rizen	including us, as i just stated	21:50
beatnik	I'm forced to think about a lot of those things too.. as I said before, I also have a CMS	21:51
@rizen	anyway...my point is that the WRE is easy, it's good, and it's useful...but you don't have to use it	21:51
@rizen	what is your CMS?	21:51
beatnik	spine	21:51
beatnik	http://spine.sf.net	21:52
beatnik	quite a bit of the same prereqs	21:52
beatnik	but not extremly specific	21:52
@rizen	it looks pretty nice	21:53
beatnik	it lacks lots of documentation	21:53
beatnik	and it's pretty much a one man show	21:54
@rizen	hmmm..perhaps we can convince you to come over to the darkside	21:55
beatnik	but the install procedure is pretty much : install the perl modules (the standard way), import database, copy images. copy config to apache conf dir (+edit) and restart	21:55
@rizen	migrate your user base into webgui, and help us make webgui a better product	21:55
beatnik	:)	21:55
beatnik	very tempting.. now if I even had a userbase ;)	21:55
beatnik	I've been working on this for the past 7 years.. after that long, I'm not eager to change	21:56
@rizen	understood	21:56
@rizen	won't mention it agian	21:56
@rizen	s/agian/again/	21:56
beatnik	no prob for asking..	21:56
beatnik	it's more of a therapy for me.. but your colleague webgui user told me to look into webgui and I will	21:57
@rizen	man..it's amazing how similar that looks to the early webgui days	21:58
@rizen	looking at screenshots now	21:59
beatnik	the look pretty much remained unchanged since the early days	21:59
beatnik	I should have a link to the presentation handy	21:59
@rizen	hehe...we used to do the enter to <br> thing too	21:59
@rizen	we also used to use the unix-like privilege system	22:00
@rizen	very cool	22:00
beatnik	what made you change?	22:00
@rizen	lots and lots of user experience	22:00
@rizen	feedback	22:00
@rizen	webgui is very much a product of our users	22:00
@rizen	there are about 10,000 deployments of webgui world wide	22:01
beatnik	see.. I dont have that feedback.. unfortunatly	22:01
@rizen	we're the most widely deployed modperl2 app on the planet	22:01
@rizen	what have you done to promote your community?	22:01
@rizen	or are you not doing it simply because it's therapy for you?	22:02
@rizen	wow we used to have the file manager thing too	22:02
beatnik	promotion is not all that easy..	22:02
@rizen	although we called it collateral manager	22:02
@rizen	but it looked very very similar	22:02
beatnik	actually, the filemanager is a more recent addition	22:02
beatnik	recent as in.. last 2 years or so	22:03
@rizen	2 years ago is when we got rid of ours	22:03
@rizen	we moved to something we call the asset tree	22:03
@rizen	which is kind of a virtual filesystem	22:03
@rizen	but in this way, files, images, templates, and content can all be comingled	22:04
beatnik	what I did to promote it: cmsmatrix, talked about it at yapc, blogged about it, put it in mod_perl app list	22:04
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@rizen	do you also publish press releases to cmsinfo.org, and newsforge?	22:04
@rizen	also, get linked on oscom.org	22:04
beatnik	nope..	22:04
@rizen	all the things you did are good	22:05
beatnik	I'm even porting back to CGI too ;)	22:05
@rizen	also, regular releases to freshmeat.net are a big help	22:05
beatnik	this is why I like communities :)	22:06
beatnik	http://www.ldl48.org/hendrik/Introduction.ppt # presentation I did at yapc...	22:07
@rizen	i spoke at YAPC::NA last year too	22:08
@rizen	it's good, but it's a bit like preaching to the choir	22:09
@rizen	also, it's hard to get the word out about a cms these days	22:09
@rizen	there are an estimated 2,000 content products on the market	22:09
@rizen	downloading your pres	22:10
knowmad	rizen, where did you get that figure?	22:10
@rizen	yahoo	22:10
@rizen	they did a study of it a while back	22:10
@rizen	and published the study on developer.yahoo.com or something like that i believe	22:10
beatnik	there are quite a bit out there indeed	22:10
knowmad	that's some heavy competition but also good for us integrators to throw around ;)	22:10
@rizen	there are over 800 of them listed on cmsmatrix.org alone	22:11
beatnik	when I started, there were a handful	22:11
beatnik	setup: "dev only" ?	22:12
@rizen	yup, same as me	22:13
knowmad	has anyone here integrated the suckerfish menus into webgui navigation template?	22:13
@rizen	beatnik, i think that spine will run quite well under the WRE	22:14
@rizen	probably much faster than you're used to	22:14
beatnik	BTW suggestion: the setup process probably can use the ****** thingie for the mysql passwd	22:14
@rizen	even if you don't want to have anything to do with WebGUI, you might want to check out the WRE	22:14
@rizen	true	22:14
beatnik	I'll see if I can document on how to get it running on wre.. once I get it installed	22:14
beatnik	"Do you have WebGUI local or should I get it from a mirror?" What is the correct answer on this one.. and why?	22:29
@rizen	mirror	22:31
@rizen	local means you've already downloaded it	22:31
@rizen	that wording has been improved in the 0.8 installer	22:31
beatnik	aah.. is there a way to restart it?	22:31
@rizen	unfortunately not with 0.7	22:31
@rizen	the install process was messy and error prone	22:31
@rizen	i'd recommend playing with the 0.8 technology preview version	22:32
@rizen	it's much better	22:32
@rizen	and will be out as stable in less than a month	22:32
@rizen	http://www.plainblack.com/downloads/builds/wre/	22:32
@rizen	the only caveat if you decide to use it is that if you're on a linux platform you need to comment out line 41 in wreconsole.pl	22:33
@rizen	that's fixed in the real version, but not in the tech preview version	22:33
beatnik	downloading..	22:33
beatnik	macosx here	22:33
@rizen	ok, with macosx the special notes you need to follow are in the install.txt	22:34
@rizen	you just have to comment out two lines for osx	22:34
@rizen	and that is automated in the final version also	22:35
+MrHairgrease	beatnick: have you been talking to Jesse at the yapc?	22:45
beatnik	good question.. I have his card somewhere	22:47
beatnik	I believe he was american tho	22:47
+MrHairgrease	he's from australia	22:47
beatnik	mmm lemme see if I can dig up his card	22:48
beatnik	he pointed me to this channel :)	22:48
+MrHairgrease	muyst be him	22:48
+MrHairgrease	he's the only webgui guy I know to have been there	22:48
@rizen	he's not american though	22:50
@rizen	he's australian	22:50
+MrHairgrease	so I said =)	22:50
@rizen	oh crap	22:51
@rizen	sorry	22:51
beatnik	found card..yes, jesse kinroy-smith	22:52
+MrHairgrease	cool	22:52
+MrHairgrease	he was on his euro trip	22:53
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beatnik	if you fancy seeing the conference pics, I can probably point you to some links	22:55
@rizen	cool	22:55
@rizen	beatnik, if you play around with webgui, and have any feedback for us, i'd love to hear about it	22:55
beatnik	I will play and feed back :)	22:56
beatnik	http://use.perl.org/~barbie/journal/34454	22:56
beatnik	barbies pics	22:56
@rizen	it's always interesting to get feedback from someone who has going through the same trials and tribulations we have	22:56
beatnik	same on this side..	22:57
beatnik	http://picasaweb.google.com/hendrik.vanbelleghem/ # see Vienna City and Conference pics	22:57
beatnik	the "install wizard" idea has been stuck in my head for a few months too.. found it a bit tricky to do for me tho	22:58
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@rizen	feel free to steal ideas	23:05
@rizen	just give credit if any is due	23:06
beatnik	obviously..	23:08
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+MrHairgrease	rizen	23:51
+MrHairgrease	do you want to issue a warn if a nonexistant groupId is used?	23:51
@rizen	yup	23:54
+MrHairgrease	ok	23:54
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+MrHairgrease	I take it the importCollateralAssetData thing should not be labeled fix?	00:06
+MrHairgrease	or should it	00:06
+MrHairgrease	in the changelog	00:06
@rizen	why not?	00:08
@rizen	it is a fix	00:08
@rizen	the api was broken	00:09
+MrHairgrease	i thought so too	00:09
+MrHairgrease	but i sensed from your response the other day that it was not completely =)	00:09
* MrHairgrease start cleaning his crystal sphere		00:09
@rizen	well i'm a little hesitant because it is an api change even though it's fixing the broken api	00:14
@rizen	and my biggest concern is that i want 7.4 rock solid going into the wuc	00:15
@rizen	so therefore it's imperative that you test everything very thoroughly	00:15
+MrHairgrease	you mean the group thing?	00:17
@rizen	i mean ANYTHING you check in to svn	00:17
+MrHairgrease	sure	00:17
+MrHairgrease	I always test before comitting	00:17
@rizen	i don't mean usual testing	00:17
@rizen	i mean hard core wrack your brain testing	00:17
+MrHairgrease	ok	00:18
@rizen	like i said, i need 7.4 to be absolutely solid going into the wuc	00:18
+MrHairgrease	about the import thing i'm harcorewreckedgazillionpercent sure it won't break	00:18
@rizen	pb has spent a lot of time and energy on this, so i wouldn't want anything else to influence it	00:18
+MrHairgrease	The group thing will cause all kinds of hell if it is not fixed	00:19
+MrHairgrease	more exact	00:19
+MrHairgrease	the kinds of hell I have been debugging this afternoon =)	00:19
@rizen	i'm glad you're looking into that	00:19
@rizen	please don't check it in until you're sure it's 1000000000000009999.9999% fixed	00:19
+MrHairgrease	for the import thing I am	00:23
+MrHairgrease	the group fix however is very hard to be that certain that nothing will break	00:23
+MrHairgrease	b/c it's used pretty often	00:23
+MrHairgrease	however	00:23
+MrHairgrease	if things bork with this fix	00:23
+MrHairgrease	they will do so noticably	00:24
+MrHairgrease	in stead of silently f*ck shit up	00:24
+MrHairgrease	as is the case now	00:24
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+MrHairgrease	the import thing is in	00:36
+MrHairgrease	the group thing you may decide on	00:36
+MrHairgrease	wnat the diffs?	00:37
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cap10morgan	exporting data form submissions as tab delimited spits them out in totally random order	02:11
cap10morgan	I've looked at the code and it's sorting by sequenceNumber in the sql query	02:11
cap10morgan	but it doesn't end up that way in the tab delimited	02:11
cap10morgan	is that a known issue? (in 7.3.22)	02:11
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+MrHairgrease	cap10morgan	02:37
+MrHairgrease	check the changelogs	02:37
+MrHairgrease	if it is not in there	02:38
+MrHairgrease	it's probably not known =)	02:38
+MrHairgrease	https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt	02:39
cap10morgan	thanks MHg	02:41
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rjacobsen	i just went and did a test site in webgui to see the changes coming and apparently you guys did not understand my rfe....	17:28
rjacobsen	when someone logs in with "turn admin on" for instance... they should only see what they are allowed to do in the new content/admin console window....	17:30
rjacobsen	so now im logged in with a limited account and i have a whole list of stuff to be able to do under "New Content", but all of it except a few items say "Permission Denied"	17:31
rjacobsen	so why not just hide what that user group cannot do?	17:31
xootom	that sounds like an rfe i created at http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/hide-new-content-side-panel-for-non-privileged-users#-kBnY4ZNMM8V1FNOgrT3ig	17:32
rjacobsen	well I have had my RFE posted twice now and they finally make it live and it doesnt have the fix I was asking for :( .... I think the "New Content" section should only display what that user/group is allowed to do to eliminate many headaches	17:39
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xootom	it does respect what the user's group is allowed to do, i.e. which wobjects they're allowed to add, e.g. i've only got about 6 for most users, so they only see article etc in the new content menu, and when i'm logged in i see sql report etc	17:45
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xootom	my rfe was that the new content panel should be hidden, like when youre on the user profile page, when you're on a page you don't have access to add new content onto, is that the same as your rfe?	17:46
rjacobsen	ya basically - i dont think the limited user should see anything they are not allowed to do - and with running 24 sites in webgui, and adding 14 more in the next month, I am sure you can see the tech support issues this can cause	17:50
rjacobsen	easiest way to eliminate questions is to never let them see the source of the question in the first place	17:51
xootom	i just reread your original message, you say that limited users can see certain wobjects that they don't have access to add, e.g. they can see sql report if they aren't in a group that can add it? that doesn't happen with me, which version are you running	17:51
rjacobsen	i was just using the test version of 7.4.6 (demo site in webgui)	17:53
rjacobsen	and when i log into the limited user account I can see everything under the New Content heading	17:53
xootom	how did you add the privileges for different types of content to the demo site on webgui? e.g. to give only admins sql form: "assetAddPrivilege" : { "WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::SQLForm" : "3" },	17:54
xootom	in the config file	17:54
rjacobsen	i dont think i can access the config file in the test site	17:54
xootom	i think turn admin on users would have access to add all asset types if it's not set in the config file	17:55
rjacobsen	http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1190211545_960/ is the site - test is the username and 1234 is the password	17:55
xootom	yes that user will have permission to add any type of asset... but yes it's the problem in my rfe, that it doesn't hide the new content panel for pages the user isn't an editor of	17:57
rjacobsen	i think the "New Content" menu should reflect what only that group can do, or simply not show at all	17:58
xootom	i agree, you could add some karma to my rfe :)	17:58
rjacobsen	i burned all mine on my last one :(	18:00
rjacobsen	gave you my last 10 karma lol	18:00
xootom	:-) lol	18:01
rjacobsen	well have a good day.... time for me to get back to work	18:05
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rjacobsen	good morning all - I was interested possibly in purchasing the webgui content managers guide for webgui and making it into a simple pdf to put on a web page for the 20+ site holders we have inside our main webgui platform to use	19:09
rjacobsen	is this possible?	19:09
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rjacobsen	we make the site, and host them for our dealers, and i was wanting to put some documentation on how to do stuff inside the sites	19:10
rjacobsen	the webgui content managers guide seems to fit the bill if i were allowed to buy a copy and make it available on an online web page that only our dealers could see	19:10
rjacobsen	in like a pdf format they could read and use for guidance	19:11
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xootom	i've seen that asked before and i'm pretty sure it's a no no	19:29
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danny_mk	http://www.webgui.org/downloads/builds/7.4.6-beta/api/HTML.html	20:19
danny_mk	look at the makeParameterSafe method	20:20
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danny_mk	OK, is there a good way to sanitize or "makeParameterSafe" from a posted form?	20:40
danny_mk	I guess I am going to have to do it with JavaScript before I post to the form.	20:54
danny_mk	s/post to the form/submit the form/	20:54
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wgGuest98	I need basic help from anyone - I have a basic Jpg image Im loading to be the entire page but I have a text field to the left which is pushing my image to the right. How do I remove this text field	20:59
wgGuest98	See it at - http://www.vacumi.com/playerspack	20:59
danny_mk	OK, that is easy.	21:00
wgGuest98	cool - how?	21:01
danny_mk	create a style that only contains the basic html and within the body tag put <tmpl_var body.content>	21:03
wgGuest98	Sorry to be so stupid, but is this creating a new design template and how do I do this?	21:05
danny_mk	OK, turn admin on	21:06
wgGuest98	yep	21:07
danny_mk	Under the admin console click on assets	21:07
wgGuest98	done	21:07
danny_mk	click on the root node	21:08
wgGuest98	ok	21:08
danny_mk	click on the "import node"	21:09
wgGuest98	ok	21:09
danny_mk	under new content click on Folder and call your folder "my templates" or whatever you prefer	21:10
wgGuest98	ok	21:12
danny_mk	click on the folder so that you can put your new template there	21:13
danny_mk	sorry template = style	21:13
wgGuest98	ok	21:13
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danny_mk	under new content click "Template"	21:14
wgGuest98	k	21:15
danny_mk	Enter a name for the template but make sure that you use a url for the style like "mystyles/blank" and that the Namespace is set to "style"	21:16
danny_mk	then within the body simply put <html><head><title>myStyle</title></head><body><tmpl_var body.content></body></html>	21:17
danny_mk	well, actually myStyle should probably read "Players Pack"	21:19
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wgGuest43	this window timed out on me - I have a few questions about the style template	21:21
danny_mk	ok	21:22
wgGuest43	So for title - Im calling it "HTML jpg page"	21:22
wgGuest43	For menu title - blank?	21:22
wgGuest43	For URL - playerspack/blank?	21:22
wgGuest43	Namespace - style	21:23
wgGuest43	Template - <html><head><title>Playerpack</title></head><body><tmpl_var body.content></body></html>	21:23
danny_mk	you can use whatever you want there, the important thing is to remember to keep the namespace as "style" and the url something you will remember "playerspack/blank" is good	21:23
wgGuest43	ok	21:23
wgGuest43	what about the template part as - <html><head><title>Playerpack</title></head><body><tmpl_var body.content></body></html>	21:24
wgGuest43	thanks for the help by the way.	21:25
danny_mk	then, go to the page and change the style template to "playerspack/blank"	21:25
wgGuest43	ok, let me try this.	21:26
wgGuest43	actually - sorry but where on the page do I do this?	21:26
danny_mk	go into the asset tree	21:27
wgGuest43	ok	21:27
danny_mk	and click on the edit link for the page playerspack	21:27
wgGuest43	Not seeing that	21:28
danny_mk	http://www.vacumi.com/root?func=manageAssets	21:29
wgGuest43	ok	21:29
danny_mk	try: http://www.vacumi.com/playespack?func=edit;proceed=manageAssets	21:30
wgGuest43	ok	21:30
wgGuest43	change the style template and printable style to HTML jpg page?	21:31
wgGuest43	sweet!	21:32
danny_mk	don't worry about the printable style.	21:32
danny_mk	don't forget to commit your changes	21:33
wgGuest43	ok, that is awesome. Thank you very much - you're worth your weight in gold!	21:33
danny_mk	no problem. Have to run. good luck.	21:33
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xootom	can anyone tell me, is it possible to execute a script if the admin deletes a user? there appear to be "on create user" and "on update user" settings, but not deletion	18:27
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ckotil	im pretty sure its on the list of things to do	18:41
ckotil	some of the code is alredy in place.	18:42
ckotil	all thats missing is the actual script execution and UI stuff.	18:42
xootom	ahh no problem thanks	18:44
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dapperedodo	/msg nickserv link dodo 10bier	12:25
dapperedodo	set email irc@dapperedodo.com	12:25
@preaction	uh... you might want to change that password	12:26
dapperedodo	already done:)	12:30
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cap10morgan	danny_mk: you there?	20:57
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danny_mk	I am here now!	21:42
danny_mk	I at at work and use a KVM switch to go between my desktop and my notebook (this system)	21:43
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cap10morgan	danny_mk: hey	22:08
cap10morgan	i sent you a message on webgui.org	22:08
cap10morgan	about your OpenID module	22:08
cap10morgan	I think it's great and I want to help get it included in core	22:09
cap10morgan	are you going to the WUC?	22:09
danny_mk	I will try to get there	22:10
danny_mk	not sure yet	22:10
danny_mk	I am guessing you have used it right?	22:11
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cap10morgan	yes, i have	22:54
danny_mk	cool	22:54
cap10morgan	i'm planning to roll it out to 70+ sites :)	22:54
cap10morgan	so i'd love to see it get included in core	22:54
danny_mk	I actually think it is a great approach for authentication	22:55
cap10morgan	i'm hoping we can organize a little pet-RFE boot camp at the wuc where PB staff can help us get our favorite RFE's ready for core inclusion in 7.5	22:55
cap10morgan	(or maybe 7.6 by then)	22:55
danny_mk	I use a few different containers and languages, I would like to manage my users with one tool and provide authentication and authorization across my projects	22:55
cap10morgan	yeah, definitely	22:55
danny_mk	well, let me know if you are doing the pet-RFE, I am not sure if I will be able to make the WUC but I am trying	22:56
cap10morgan	ok, will do	22:57
cap10morgan	i posted a patch for OpenId.pm	22:57
danny_mk	I thought I fixed the protocol issue in the latest release	22:57
cap10morgan	did you see that?	22:57
danny_mk	no	22:57
cap10morgan	it basically makes it so you can enter me.domain.com, http://me.domain.com, or http://me.domain.com/ and it'll work	22:57
danny_mk	Are you sure the fix was not included in my latest release?	22:57
cap10morgan	well, it wasn't working :)	22:58
cap10morgan	when did you upload the latest?	22:58
danny_mk	hmm.... I thought I fixed that. Let me check my copy.	22:58
danny_mk	Hmmm.... I don't see the fix in my version	23:00
danny_mk	I will have to look for the patch.	23:00
danny_mk	Ah, you put it in the actual authentication module.	23:01
danny_mk	it should really go in the Macro instead.	23:02
cap10morgan	danny_mk: i'm hoping to use the module outside the macro in some things i'm working on	23:16
cap10morgan	so more forgiveness of the data at that level benefits me	23:16
danny_mk	OK, but remember. You need to sanitize the data your passing to the module before you use the module.	23:20
cap10morgan	sure, but one of things that my patch fixes is the data entry in the user edit form	23:20
cap10morgan	it sanitizes that a little	23:21
cap10morgan	(just checks for "http://" on the front and adds it if it's not there)	23:21
cap10morgan	so that the form it's stored in in the database is more similar to what the openid provider sends back	23:21
danny_mk	Ah, you mean when a user admin is editing that field for a user	23:22
cap10morgan	i also changed it so that it uses the value it gets back from the provider as the url it looks up in the db	23:22
cap10morgan	yep	23:22
cap10morgan	that helps sanitize it for free	23:22
cap10morgan	since the provider will usually send back the "canonical" form	23:22
cap10morgan	then the only other thing it does is see if there is a trailing slash on the entry (in the login macro field) and puts a "?" after in a regexp or a "/?" if there's not one	23:23
cap10morgan	that way the db value can have a trailing slash or not and it will still work	23:23
cap10morgan	since it seems like that's always going to a thorn in peoples' sides, regardless of what the spec says	23:24
danny_mk	OK. I will take a look at the patch later. I have to finish this online test before I go home tonight :-(	23:24
cap10morgan	ok, no worries	23:24
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diakopter	http://blogs.technet.com/askperf/archive/2007/09/18/internet-explorer-a-bigger-cookie-jar.aspx	04:54
diakopter	that could explain many of the IE issues I've experienced with web apps over the last decade.	04:55
diakopter	also http://therealcrisp.xs4all.nl/blog/2007/02/12/ie-and-2-letter-domain-names/	04:58
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+Radix_	Well I'm back home now :)	09:54
+Radix_	hey dapperedodo :)	09:54
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dapperedodo	hai	09:55
AMH_bob	haai	09:55
+Radix_	:)	09:55
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+Radix_	Arrived back from London last night	09:56
+Radix_	Was an awesome trip :)	09:56
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sno	In the Project Tracker discussion forum, is there a way to exclude closed tickets/discussions from the display?	16:28
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sno	In the Project Tracker discussion forum, is there a way to exclude closed tickets/discussions from the display?	17:27
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danny_mk	Has anyone run into problems passing quoted strings that contain commas to db->execute([@_]); in a macro?	19:10
@preaction	does it make it to the macro? the macro parser is a regular expression that sometimes doesn't do things exactly right (but it's faster than the alternative)	19:11
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danny_mk	yup, I had to write a wrapper around the FormParam just in case someone submitted a form with commas in the text	19:45
danny_mk	I am sure there is another way to do it I just had to get this done quickly	19:45
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dionak	i'm trying to create a theme for webgui but i'm having some trouble exporting the associated images. i packaged them up with the styles and templates but upon importing them into another system, the images aren't there.	20:19
dionak	i tried downloading a theme from add-ons and am getting the same thing	20:19
dionak	has anyone else experienced this?	20:19
dionak	or is it just me?	20:20
dionak	when i go to view an image, i get redirected to /uploads/.... and get a 404	20:20
@preaction	check the error log?	20:20
dionak	looking...	20:21
@preaction	perlbot step 1	20:21
@preaction	perlbot step 1 is No matter what, step 1 is always "Check the Error Log"	20:21
perlbot	added step 1 to the database	20:21
dionak	thanks..	20:22
dionak	Could not set uid/gid on '/data/WebGUI/www/uploads/sF/OV/sFOVQaxRwTFa7z-Ypu2ONA/comment.gif'	20:22
dionak	Couldn't read image to check the size of it: Exception 495: Unable to access configuration file (magic.mgk)	20:22
@preaction	haven't seen that one before	20:23
dionak	they are on my system...in the uploads	20:24
dionak	perhaps that last error is in relation to a failure to make thumbs?	20:24
@preaction	yes	20:25
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@rizen	dionak that means you're using the wre 0.8 alpha	23:15
@rizen	and graphics magick is broken in that	23:16
dionak	isn't WG moving to another graphic lib?	23:16
@rizen	yes, graphics magick	23:16
dionak	maybe i need to set that up instead?	23:16
dionak	oh	23:16
@rizen	no, that's what's in the WRE 0.8 alpha	23:16
@rizen	it's missing a config file	23:17
dionak	hm, any advice?	23:17
@rizen	create a file at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/GraphicsMagick-1.1.7/config/magic.mgk	23:17
@rizen	and put this into it:	23:17
@rizen	<?xml version="1.0"?>	23:17
@rizen	<magicmap>	23:17
@rizen	</magicmap>	23:17
@rizen	but you shouldn't be using 0.8 in prod yet	23:18
dionak	we're not. we're using it for in house dev	23:18
dionak	on our local boxes	23:18
@rizen	ok	23:21
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@rizen	there will be a new alpha out at the end of the week that fixes the problem directly	23:21
@rizen	but you can fix it by just doing that	23:21
@rizen	the new alpha will also support windows	23:22
dionak	cool. i'm giving it a try.	23:22
dionak	yes, i heard! i'm excited about that despite my lack of love for windows.	23:22
dionak	i have had an issue with modproxy since installing the new alpha but it seems likely to be an apache issue. i'm trying to run it on port 8080 but modproxy continues to try to connect to port 80	23:29
dionak	eventually, i'll get a chance to look into it further	23:30
@rizen	there are several places that you need to change that port number	23:33
@rizen	did you do it during the install? or did you do it after the fact?	23:34
@rizen	if you do it during the install then webgui should take care of modifying it everywhere	23:34
dionak	during the install	23:34
@rizen	s/webgui/wre/	23:34
@rizen	hmm	23:34
@rizen	ok i'll have to have a look at that	23:34
dionak	i took a look at WRE::ModProxy and printed out the start command. it appears to be passing in the correct conf /data/wre/etc/modproxy.conf	23:35
dionak	which defines Listen as 127.0.0.1:8080. then i checked my included configs. not sure what's happening.	23:36
dionak	that's what made me wonder if it was an apache thing	23:36
dionak	The "Could not set uid/gid" from earlier is coming from Archive::Tar (Storage.pm)	23:50
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@rizen	is your uploads folder recursively owned by the user that you set the WRE to run as?	00:00
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dionak	WebGUI/www/uploads/ was but domain/../public/uploads wasn't. fixed that but still see the error from Archive::Tar.	00:10
@rizen	also check your uploadsPath in your config file	00:11
@rizen	that's also broken in alpha3	00:11
dionak	ok	00:11
dionak	it looks correct in my site.conf (/data/WebGUI/etc). The file I'm looking for exists in /data/WebGUI/www/uploads. i'm noticing a 'data' dir in domains/dev.localhost.localdomain/public/uploads/.	00:15
dionak	my site config reads "uploadsPath" : "/data/WebGUI/www/uploads",	00:16
@preaction	i think that's a bug, i get that a lot with the new WRE	00:17
@preaction	the misconfigured uploadsPath	00:17
dionak	what should it be?	00:17
@preaction	the /data/domains/<yourdomain>/public/uploads	00:17
dionak	ah	00:17
dionak	ok, this is looking a lot better. :)	00:23
dionak	i'll make a note of that bug and pass the info around the office. thanks for your help!	00:23
dionak	would you like me to file a bug or is there one already?	00:23
@preaction	go ahead i think, i'm not sure if it really is one	00:24
dionak	ok	00:24
@preaction	you get the karma, but also get the backlash ;)	00:25
dionak	lol, is that why there's not one? haha	00:25
@preaction	no, i'm just the wrong kind of lazy that way	00:26
@preaction	perlbot laziness	00:26
perlbot	The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer.	00:26
@rizen	it's already fixed	00:26
@rizen	in 0.8 alpha 4	00:26
dionak	nice, that's my kind of lazy. cool, thanks rizen	00:26
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+MrHairgrease	the ^GooeyDate; macro is broken on pb.com	23:51
+MrHairgrease	http://www.plainblack.com/wg/contribute	23:51
+MrHairgrease	bottom of page	23:51
@rizen	i'll fix it	23:51
+MrHairgrease	below the poll	23:51
+MrHairgrease	ok	23:51
+MrHairgrease	hey the wuc sold out	23:52
+MrHairgrease	coolio!	23:52
@rizen	fixed	23:52
+MrHairgrease	Now it says 'Hi!'	23:53
+MrHairgrease	shouldn't it display an octopus or something like that?	23:54
@rizen	man you're picky	23:54
+MrHairgrease	just practicing for the stump the chump session	23:55
@rizen	fixed	23:59
@rizen	i haven't tested yet though	23:59
@rizen	so give me a sec	23:59
+MrHairgrease	it works	23:59
@rizen	yay	23:59
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@rizen	i can't believe that the WUC sold out this year	00:04
@rizen	it's great	00:04
+MrHairgrease	so	00:05
+MrHairgrease	how many seats are there?	00:05
@rizen	50	00:05
+MrHairgrease	ok	00:05
+MrHairgrease	cool	00:05
@rizen	well for the conference there are 50	00:05
@rizen	10 each for the two workshops	00:05
@rizen	but those are supposed to be smaller	00:05
+MrHairgrease	Joeri and I are going to watch Henri Rollins wednesday	00:06
+MrHairgrease	in the barrymore theatre	00:06
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@rizen	nice	00:06
@rizen	Have you ever seen him?	00:06
+MrHairgrease	no	00:06
+MrHairgrease	but	00:06
+MrHairgrease	i know his spoken word stuff	00:06
@rizen	Is he doing spoken word stuff, or the henry rollins band?	00:06
+MrHairgrease	spoken word	00:06
+MrHairgrease	which is much btter	00:06
@rizen	yeah	00:06
@rizen	the band is ok, but the spoken word stuff is much better	00:07
+MrHairgrease	muscially henri was at his best in Black Flag	00:07
+MrHairgrease	which is easily one of the mostest bestest bands ever	00:07
@rizen	i've got comedy club tickets for friday night for the entire dutch team and pb staff	00:07
+MrHairgrease	cool	00:07
+MrHairgrease	is it like the amsterdam thing?	00:07
@rizen	not improve	00:08
@rizen	improv	00:08
@rizen	it's a stage act	00:08
+MrHairgrease	ok	00:08
@rizen	so standard comedy stand-up stuff	00:08
+MrHairgrease	cool	00:08
+MrHairgrease	i never go to that stuff in holland	00:08
+MrHairgrease	stand-up is not really part of dutch culture	00:08
@rizen	could you pass the word about that to the rest of the dutch team so they don't plan anything for friday night?	00:08
+MrHairgrease	sure	00:09
@rizen	thanks	00:09
+MrHairgrease	i'll send them a mail	00:09
@rizen	i've got dinner reservations for all of you too	00:09
+MrHairgrease	great	00:09
+MrHairgrease	I like to eat =)	00:09
@rizen	it's at the best steak place in madison	00:10
@rizen	or at least as far as i'm concerned...it's the best	00:10
+MrHairgrease	Won't argue with the master =)	00:11
+MrHairgrease	I'm really looking forward to the wuc	00:12
@preaction	infect us with your strange currency and your crazy "passeporte"	00:15
+MrHairgrease	you mean our beautiful and eurotrashy 'paspoort' right?	00:16
+MrHairgrease	=)	00:16
@preaction	you said the e-word, not me	00:16
+MrHairgrease	I'm not blaming you for not saying it	00:17
@preaction	oh, we were ALL thinking it ;)	00:18
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+MrHairgrease	no shit	02:09
+MrHairgrease	there's a wg user on antarctica	02:09
cap10morgan_	any chance we could have an "RFE marathon" at the WUC?	02:09
cap10morgan_	i.e. hole up in a room one night, pick our favorite RFE, PB staff helps us get it ready for possible inclusion	02:10
cap10morgan_	we code until we drop	02:10
cap10morgan_	:)	02:10
+MrHairgrease	there's the hackathon	02:10
+MrHairgrease	which is well suited for that	02:10
cap10morgan_	true	02:10
+MrHairgrease	http://www.plainblack.com/wuc/wiki/hackathon	02:10
+MrHairgrease	I'll prolly work on some project of my own then	02:11
+MrHairgrease	but that'll be cool too	02:11
+MrHairgrease	although you might not need it =)	02:11
cap10morgan_	on that list now :)	02:11
+MrHairgrease	cool	02:11
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+MrHairgrease	hey jesse	02:13
+MrHairgrease	you finished your eurotrip?	02:13
cap10morgan_	should this RFE's difficulty be adjusted in light of the implementation that danny_mk did: http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/openid#mRsVPo4-VT3Cv61eV1rRcw ?	02:14
+Radix_	Hey Martin! - yup, back at work now - and just heading off now actually :)	02:52
+MrHairgrease	oh	02:53
+MrHairgrease	i'm thinking of going to bed =)	02:53
+MrHairgrease	see you later	02:53
+Radix_	see ya :)	02:54
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SDuensin	Greetings	16:21
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rizen_	salutations	16:48
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SDuensin	Hey rizen	16:49
@rizen	how goes it sd?	16:50
SDuensin	Slowly. :-)	16:51
SDuensin	Hey, got a question for you...	16:51
SDuensin	Can I make WebGUI run the same site with multiple brands at one time? ...	16:51
SDuensin	For example, if people visit "site1.com" they get different content and themes than "site2.com", however, both sites use the same assets so I don't have to maintain them separately.	16:52
@rizen	yes	16:53
@rizen	that's what plainblack.com and webgui.org do	16:53
@rizen	they are the same physical webgui site	16:53
SDuensin	What about content? If there's a forum on one, it'll be the same as on the other - right?	16:55
SDuensin	(That's not what I want.)	16:55
SDuensin	I've got a project that will have around six sites. When I add features to one, I don't want to have to copy it manually into the others. However, I want their content to be separate. Make sense?	16:55
@rizen	Huh?	17:01
@rizen	So are you saying you want the same assets on all the sites, but you want the content of those assets to be different?	17:02
SDuensin	Yea. Weird, eh? :-)	17:13
xootom	isn't that just sharing a single code base using wre to addsite?	17:18
@rizen	you can't maintain the same assets with two separate sets of content	17:19
SDuensin	Kinda, xootom, but I want the site layout to persist.	17:19
SDuensin	rizen - I figured that was the case.	17:19
@rizen	an instance of an asset includes the content	17:19
@rizen	however, what you could do is make packages out of the first site	17:19
@rizen	and deploy those packages to the other 5 sites	17:20
SDuensin	Guess I get to build one and hire a peon to copy it to the others. :-)	17:20
@rizen	so at least during the creation process	17:20
@rizen	you wouldn't have to copy the settings	17:20
SDuensin	rizen - That was my thought.	17:20
xootom	the package idea, import into the other site and you could asset proxy in the theme components if they had the same url, and it would look different in each site?	17:21
SDuensin	I have a few ideas that are close enough to actually make money from. Problem is getting started.	17:23
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elnino	hi. is there a way to produce a report of all the filepile assets?	17:34
@rizen	filepile is a meta asset, so it creates other assets, namely files and images	17:35
@rizen	you could do something like this:	17:35
@rizen	select * from asset where className like 'WebGUI::Asset::File%';	17:35
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elnino	sweet. Thanks!	17:37
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elnino	in an rss object, is there a way to get more choices in the edit field that uses tinymce? I have about 5 buttons for choices. but I'll like to see all of them hat I see when I edit an article.	18:17
elnino	my settings are already guru.	18:22
elnino	never mind, I had to set the settings of the CS system to content manager	18:26
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xootom	i've got a collaboration system using the weblog template, it shows the first bit of the thread then a read more link, but i can't get it to show more than a random number of words, one looks particularly silly as it's just showing "The" !	18:42
xootom	how can i extend this?	18:42
dionak	I understood that the synopsis (in one of the tabs) effects this...like you could write a custom 'teaser' and it would display that.	18:45
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dionak	i wish the blog worked more like wordpress. JT, which blog software do you look to for features?	18:49
@rizen	i don't...we don't have a blog	18:49
@rizen	we have the collaboration system	18:49
@rizen	which is an animial completely to itself	18:49
@rizen	s/animial/animal/	18:49
elnino	Hi on the old webgui done right site, there used to be examples of sql reports. Have those been ported anywhere? I can't seem to find them.	18:50
@rizen	dionak: at some point we should probably build a blog asset, and in that case i'd probably look at either wordpress, movable type, or blogger.com	18:52
xootom	dionak: thanks, i was using the default posting template not the submission one, so hadn't seen the summary item - that's great, thanks	18:58
xootom	i notice that all my cs posts are rated -1, could that be googlebot rating them? any way of finding out who did rate things?	19:00
dionak	rizen: i would be happy to volunteer to be a part of that development.	19:11
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dionak	where can i find the DataForm template docs? it seems to be missing	19:47
dionak	from the help system	19:47
dionak	nvrmind. i pasted the url string on webgui.org and found it	19:50
elnino	Hi on the old webgui done right site, there used to be examples of sql reports. Have those been ported anywhere? I can't seem to find them.	19:54
@rizen	deleted	19:54
@rizen	they were no longer useful and we no longer recommend going sql reporting directly against your webgui database unless you know what you're doing	19:55
@rizen	because the schema has become very complex	19:55
elnino	that's too bad, becaus ethere was a really good one about listing assets and incorrporating latest revision and such.	20:00
@rizen	it was flawed	20:01
elnino	well, it was exactly what I needed. I'd like to do a listing of all the assets that are pdfs. is there a recommendation? someone gave me select * from asset where classname like ... but I don't know what table to link to to get the url of the asset, title, the latestrevision, etc.	20:03
elnino	did that display right? I need to list pdfs on our site, and they are splattered everywhere.	20:04
@rizen	contact pb support	20:05
@rizen	or wait around here and see if anyone can help you...that's always an option	20:05
elnino	here's another question. I'm trying to put a <div class="something"> in an article and the class attribute is getting stripped. Is this intentional?	20:10
@rizen	depends upon your rich editor settings	20:11
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elnino	oh sorry, i should have specified. I'n trying to put the div class="something"in an article template and it's being stripped from the template.	20:46
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elnino	oh strange, I changed the name of the class and it works now.	20:57
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dionak	maybe it was a class name being used by the editor?	21:18
danny_mk	rizen: What is your approach using db->execute([@_]); within a macro if the passed FormParam(*) contains commas?	21:24
@rizen	how are you getting FormParam content into db->execute()	21:25
@rizen	db->execute is an API level thing and FormParam is a macro	21:26
@rizen	normally at an api level i'd do:	21:26
danny_mk	give me a second, I i will get the code	21:26
@rizen	$db->execute([$form->get("someField")]);	21:26
@rizen	perlbot paste	21:26
perlbot	Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it.	21:26
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danny_mk	http://sial.org/pbot/27742	21:27
danny_mk	darnit, sorry that is the wrong code	21:28
@rizen	i was going to say...i see no problem with that code	21:28
danny_mk	Actually, that is the right piece of code. It seems that if $_[4] contaings the string "Insert this string, into the table, right"	21:33
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danny_mk	I will a message like "query expected 7 values but got 9"	21:34
danny_mk	s/will a/will get a/	21:34
elnino	hi. is there a log of deleted items? the system trash is empty, but I want to see if seomthing was deleted before the trash was purged. Things misteriously disappear, and I think it's the users, but I can't prove anything.	21:34
@rizen	the comma's inside a variable are irrelevant to that method	21:37
@rizen	however, i don't know what's in your array there	21:37
@rizen	the @_	21:38
@rizen	perhaps there is a hash in there somewhere, cuz that would cause you some problems	21:38
@preaction_	elnino, the assetHistory table might have something for you	21:38
elnino	thanks. I'll look. but I supose I'll need a asset id?	21:38
danny_mk	I will get back to you on the fix.	21:41
dionak	i'm writing a utility script to get all the entries out of a dataform asset using www_exportTab. I need to get the entryId of each of the entries. www_exportTab doesn't return this and it's obvious why. Is there an easier way to get the entryId than building a complex SQL statement?	21:43
danny_mk	Seems like I am not going to be able to make the WUC after all. I may be down in GA for about 5 months.	21:44
danny_mk	good luck with the conference	21:44
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@rizen	dionak: to do what you want you're looking at some good old fashioned sql. no other way to do it	21:48
@rizen	danny_mk: did you register for the wuc?	21:48
danny_mk	No, I was not sure I was attending so I did not!	21:49
@rizen	we sold out a couple days ago	21:49
@rizen	no more seats left	21:49
dionak	what was the limit?	21:49
@rizen	50	21:49
danny_mk	I was hoping to talk about the OpenId module at the conference	21:50
@rizen	you can still do it next year	21:50
@rizen	hell, by then it may even be a part of the core, with 1000 new features added to it...then you'd really have a talk on your hands	21:50
danny_mk	I think capt10morgan will be talking about OpenId at the conference.	21:51
danny_mk	sounds good.	21:51
@rizen	hmmm..no one has contacted us about that	21:52
@rizen	does he need a BOF room?	21:52
danny_mk	he was on this list a few days ago talking about it. Not sure what his plan is.	21:52
@rizen	i wish he were here right now. he brought up the idea of using the hackaton as an RFE-a-thon	21:52
@rizen	i think that's a good idea	21:53
danny_mk	that would be a great idea!	21:53
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dj_perl	Hello all,	01:54
dj_perl	Does WebGUI install out-of-the-box on Mac OS X?	01:55
dj_perl	I'm getting errors connecting to MySQL, while running setup.	01:56
dj_perl	( This is Ashwin, working on WebGUI for PlainBlack )	01:56
@preaction	OSX Intel?	01:58
@preaction	WRE install?	01:58
dj_perl	Yes	02:08
dj_perl	and Yes	02:08
@preaction	the latest WRE 0.8 alpha release?	02:09
@preaction	is the wre/var/logs directory writable by everyone?	02:11
@preaction	is there a "webgui" user?	02:12
@preaction	i know that was a hurdle, i had to find a script to make one	02:12
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dj_perl	I have wre-0.7.2	02:33
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dj_perl	There's no wre/var/logs directory	02:34
dj_perl	There'	02:34
dj_perl	There's also no "webgui" user.	02:34
dj_perl	The wre/docs/install.txt doesn't mention creating a webgui user.	02:35
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dj_perl	brb	02:55
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dj_perl	Anyone home?	03:59
@preaction_	yes'm	04:01
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elnino	Hi. if I purge old revisions older than a week (as a weekly workflow), will the history still remain in the assetHistory table?	04:13
elnino	so I can see if things got renamed by someone at a later date and caused havoc?	04:14
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elnino	Hi. if I purge old revisions older than a week (as a weekly workflow), will the history still remain in the assetHistory table, so I can see if things got renamed by someone at a later date and caused havoc?	04:44
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cap10morgan	this is possibly a stupid question: can you add a new tab to every asset's properties w/o editing Asset.pm (or any other standard files)?	05:03
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@preaction_	no	05:10
@preaction_	if it's not in the definition, it's not in the club	05:10
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elnino	Hi. I'm trying to find out what happened to a page that got Mysteriously "deleted" I suspect the url was redefined. I purge old revisions older than a week. I found nothing in the trash and nothing in the assetHistory table. Does the assetHistory table hold the revision information?	05:20
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elnino	in other words, is there a log table that might still have the history for that page?	05:21
elnino	or, when I purge revisions, is that clearing out the assetHistory table?	05:22
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elnino	when things are deleted, it seems that it is NOT tracked by version tags. Is this correct?	07:40
elnino	s/things/assets	07:40
+Radix-wrk	yes	07:40
elnino	is there a log of things deleted that I can view (even after trash has been purged?)	07:41
+Radix-wrk	Hmm.. no idea I'm afraid	07:41
+Radix-wrk	probably not	07:42
elnino	hmm. Do you know if after things are purged, if data is removed from the assetHistory table?	07:42
elnino	let me restate.	07:42
+Radix-wrk	I would expect so	07:42
+Radix-wrk	but I don't know I'm afraid.. or I would've answered you earlier :)	07:42
elnino	if trash is purged, are the corresponding records in the assetHistory tabled deleted.	07:43
elnino	=)	07:43
elnino	ok, how about this. Do you purge your trash at all? or do you leave it as is? I've been doing it weekly, but maybe that is unecessary? I have a pretty powerful machine. I just like to keep things clean. but maybe too clean.	07:44
+Radix-wrk	I generally leave it as is.. mine doesn't fill up that fast	07:45
+Radix-wrk	there's a workflow to purge trash - I think it does it every month on my system	07:45
+Radix-wrk	I might have set that myself tho.. seem to recall it being longer than that by default	07:45
elnino	yes, I changed it to weekly.	07:45
elnino	I wonder if trash is the same as revision history?	07:46
elnino	because I purget that too after a week.	07:46
elnino	maybe I shouldn't.	07:46
+Radix-wrk	err.. revision history is not trash	07:46
+Radix-wrk	You shouldn't purge your revision history that often.. it means you can only roll back to a maximum of a week.	07:47
elnino	actually I can see all the committed versions. that's kinda confusing.	07:48
elnino	well, the reason why I clean the revision hsitory (particularly the urls) is because my users would keep changing the urls, and if the rev hsitory wasn't purged, they could never "recoop" a url that they wanted to use in the first place.	07:48
+Radix-wrk	yeah, because urls are reserved if an object ever uses it	07:48
+Radix-wrk	I think the better way to get around that is use the change url option in the asset view - that gives the option of renaming it permanently and straight away	07:49
elnino	do "normal (content writers)" users have the ability to do that?	07:50
+Radix-wrk	no idea actually :(	07:50
elnino	so, it's been awhile since I've done this... in my weekly workflow, I have "delete asset revisions older than a week from the database" do I just delete that so that it isn't run anymore?	07:51
+Radix-wrk	I'd keep it, but run it less frequently	07:52
+Radix-wrk	I think I have mine set to three months	07:52
elnino	Well, the other reason why I made mine shorter, was because that's a long time to wait if you "broke" anything by changing a url. doyou know what I mean? How do people check to see if they fixed all the links if they change a url?	07:53
elnino	especially when wg keeps track of all the old urls?	07:53
elnino	and honors them.	07:53
elnino	I feel like Im missing something fundamental here.	07:54
+Radix-wrk	Yeah - hasn't really been a problem for me yet	07:54
+Radix-wrk	I know what you mean tho	07:54
elnino	so. a page gets "deleted" - I'm assuming that they renamed the url. but remains "active" until the revision history is purged either a week or 3 months later, and all of a sudden a page is really gone. and I'm supposed to figure out how it happened?	07:56
elnino	there has got to be a way to figure this out, because I feel like they think I did it.	07:57
elnino	ok. here's another question. The other angle I'm tryin is this: the parent of this page asset was deleted. are the children of this parent asset considered to be "live" or are they put into the trash too?	08:02
elnino	or, is it only when the trash is purged is when the parent and children get purged?	08:03
+Radix-wrk	children are put in trash too	08:03
elnino	ok, so they can no longer be accessed either.	08:04
elnino	so, things in the trash are considered "gone" from the website and can not be accessed at all. correct?	08:05
elnino	it's late, I know that's an obvious question. Just making sure.... =)	08:06
@preaction	no, things in the trash can still be accessed by assetproxy and some other ways too	08:28
elnino	oh... good to know. how about via browser url if the user knows the url of the asset?	08:29
@preaction	not sure, i think no though	08:29
elnino	how do you personally change a url of an asset? via properites or via asset manager with the change url option?	08:31
@preaction	i tend to keep all my assets neat and clean by edit branch and making the URLs the parent URL -> menu title	08:34
@preaction	which means maintaining the proper structure in the asset manager, which is easier for me logically	08:34
elnino	for me too, but the people in the mktg dept aren't me =)	08:35
@preaction	meh, they're in the marketing department, you out-rank them on the website	08:36
@preaction	though JT says the webmaster is dead, i tend to disagree	08:36
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@preaction	damnit, this is why we shouldn't be wearing powers all the time...	08:37
elnino	yeah, the webmaster is now the one to blame if things go bad and caused by mktg user error. whereas I was taking full responsibility because I was fully responsible for the website intrastructure AND content.	08:38
elnino	before wg came along for us.	08:38
@preaction	why not make the url property have a uiLevel of 9 and give everyone a uiLevel of 8?	08:39
@preaction	personally, i dislike the idea of having a URL be completely arbitrary to where an asset is located in the tree	08:39
elnino	yes, it does definately cause problems.	08:40
elnino	how do I do that? and can't a user change their own uilevel under their account?	08:40
@preaction	it doesn't let us do such wonderful things as directory handlers, where an asset could control an entire block	08:40
@preaction	only people in the Admins group can change ui levels	08:40
elnino	hmm. I'll have to think about thsi, there are instances where they do have to have a specific url format (not the path, but the end of it- traditionall what would be the "filename")	08:43
@preaction	tell them to change the "menu title"	08:45
elnino	but then the menu title isn't very pretty. specifically, the portion of our site, the "filename" is the sku, and the title ane menu title is the product name. but I supose I can have them change the menu title AFTER the page has been created and saved.	08:46
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elnino	preaction: thanks for the idea. I'll sleep on it. Good night. bye	08:49
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SDuensin	7.4.x STABLE! WHOOO!	16:13
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SDuensin	Hey rizen_ - how "preview" is WRE 0.8?	16:58
rizen_	there's quite a few bugs in it that i've already fixed in the new version	16:59
rizen_	there will be a new version out early next week. wait	16:59
rizen_	plus, there's no upgrade path from WRE 0.8	17:00
rizen_	0.8 alpha that is	17:00
SDuensin	Awesome. Just curious.	17:00
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@rizen	cap10morgan	17:00
SDuensin	I'm excited about 7.4.8. Gonna try out my new backup server and then upgrade! :-)	17:00
@rizen	i think your idea of making the hackathon into an RFE-a-thon is a good one	17:01
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cap10morgan	yeah?	17:01
cap10morgan	oh, cool	17:01
@rizen	updated the wiki to say so	17:01
cap10morgan	great. i'll probably be working on the OpenID auth RFE.	17:01
@rizen	oh yeah, about that	17:01
@rizen	someone was telling me that you plan on talking about OpenID at the wuc this year	17:02
SDuensin	OpenID! w00t!	17:02
@rizen	but you haven't talked to us about a slot	17:02
cap10morgan	i do? :)	17:02
@rizen	are you planning on just doing it informally?	17:02
@rizen	or were they out of their mind?	17:02
@rizen	ok	17:02
cap10morgan	possibly :)	17:02
@rizen	i guess that answers that	17:02
cap10morgan	i guess i could...	17:02
cap10morgan	i've been working w/ it all summer	17:03
@rizen	we don't have any slots for you unless you just want to do a BOF, then we could probably get a room for you after hours for that	17:03
cap10morgan	yeah, that could be cool; seems like there might be others interested in it and/or willing to help hack the auth module together (it's 90% of the way there, thanks to danny_mk)	17:04
@rizen	i think you might have more participation if we make the open id bof a subset of the hackathon bof	17:08
@rizen	rather than putting it in it's own room	17:08
@rizen	what do you think?	17:08
cap10morgan	yeah, that sounds good	17:08
@rizen	please go out to the wiki and add the open id bof	17:09
cap10morgan	will do	17:09
@rizen	thx	17:09
cap10morgan	thank you	17:09
@rizen	i'll make sure you have your own half of the room for that	17:10
@rizen	then people that are interested, can go over there	17:10
cap10morgan	great	17:10
SDuensin	How many people typically attend the WUC?	17:10
@rizen	last year there were 70 or so	17:10
@rizen	this year we capped it at 50	17:11
SDuensin	Not bad. Hopefully one of these years I'	17:11
SDuensin	ll make it.	17:11
@rizen	last year was a bigger event cuz it was our 5 year anniversary	17:11
@rizen	and because we were in las vegas	17:11
@rizen	some people come just for that	17:11
@rizen	we're thinking about capping from now on though. if we don't cap it, then we have to plan for 100 people showing up, which is much more expensive	17:12
cap10morgan	i'm a wiki asset n00b; do WikiWords get turned into links?	17:12
@rizen	nope, it's the titles of other wiki articles	17:12
@rizen	There's an article called "BOFs" for example	17:13
@rizen	so if you type that (no matter the case) it will be autolinked	17:13
cap10morgan	i see	17:13
@rizen	or if you type "JT Smith" it will autolink to my page in the wiki	17:13
cap10morgan	hmm, now i'm struggling to see how you add an article to it	17:15
@rizen	works like wikipedia	17:17
@rizen	first you search	17:17
@rizen	then you see the add link	17:17
cap10morgan	i see, thanks	17:18
@rizen	that ensures you're not adding content that is already there	17:18
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streamlines	Hello folks. I'm trying to use the optional argument to the product macro to format the product info. The optional arg points to a templateId. I learned this is possible POD for Product.pm and at http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/product-macro	18:04
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streamlines	So two quick Qs, (please bear with newbie):	18:04
streamlines	1) What do I use for the templateId? Is it the title, the URL, the assetID (e.g. _hJBHAK-3yZibaiPALkrDg) or something else?	18:05
@rizen	asset id	18:05
streamlines	With the underscore, exactly as it appears when template is edited onscreen?	18:06
streamlines	2) When I edit my desired template, There is an uneditable field "namespace" that says "Product" , not "Macro/Product" as I'd like. How do I edit/change that? I notice at http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wobject/asset-migration-guide: "the concept of namespace no longer exists."	18:07
streamlines	IT needs to be Macro/Product, according to the documentation for Product macro.	18:08
streamlines	BTW, thanks rizen.	18:08
streamlines	I neglected to mention that I've put a template inside a folder called Macro/Product (which I created under Import Node, patterning after existing ones Macro/Subscriptionitem, Macro/File, etc.). This was my attempt to get the correct namespace.	18:09
streamlines	FYI I don't really know what "namespace" is---worse yet I can't edit it.	18:10
streamlines	BTW running 7.4.8	18:11
@rizen	you can only set the namespace when you create a template	18:13
@rizen	after that it's set in stone	18:13
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SDuensin	Why is that, rizen?	18:15
@rizen	i honestly can't remember, but it probably had something to do with users screwing up namespaces	18:16
@rizen	it's probably a "protect you from yourself" kind of thing	18:16
SDuensin	hehehe	18:16
@rizen	it's been that way since templates have existed in webgui	18:16
SDuensin	Well, for me, it's a "damn, I gotta re-do that" kinda thing.	18:17
@rizen	then submit an rfe to change it	18:17
SDuensin	I was just curious. I usually copy something and modify it when I create templates and things, so it doesn't bug me anymore. :-)	18:18
streamlines	So the concept of namespace still exists? OR rather, is still important? Contrary to http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wobject/asset-migration-guide?	18:25
@rizen	yes namespace still exists and is important	18:26
streamlines	Thanks. do I have to "create" the namespce someplace before I create a new template and set it?	18:26
@rizen	namespace for assets is completely different for namespace for templates	18:26
@rizen	go to the asset manager and create a template	18:27
@rizen	it's in the list	18:27
@rizen	then on the properties tab there will be a namespace field	18:27
@rizen	or if you copy any template with the appropriate namespace, you'll have it already	18:28
streamlines	oh. thanks. I'll give that a whack....I see. I had copied--so I ended up with Product instead of Macro/Product. Seemed like no template already existed with Macro/Product namespace?	18:29
@rizen	there's at least one	18:30
@rizen	or you wouldn't ever see a product macro if you place it	18:30
streamlines	RE syntax to call the second parater in the macro, just separate the two args by a comma? and assetId is case sensitive?	18:30
streamlines	Oh I see re Macro/Product.	18:31
streamlines	I need to learn OO perl. Is the concept of namespace a WebGUI thing or an OO Perl thing?	18:32
@rizen	both	18:33
@rizen	template namespaces are used to separate templates so that when you see a drop down list of templates	18:34
@rizen	you don't see all 300 of them	18:34
@rizen	only the ones that are useful to that particular thing	18:34
streamlines	ah..makes sense. thank you very much.	18:34
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streamlines	rizen, when I go to create a new template, Macro/Product isn't in the dropdown list of namespaces. Didn't you say such a namespace should already exist (by virtue of at least one template having it)?	18:42
@rizen	it should, unless there is a bug	18:42
@rizen	however, for this macro, namespace is irrelevant	18:43
streamlines	can I leave the dropdown list unset and TYPE Macro/Product in the blank field beside it?	18:44
streamlines	Remember, it not just the base macro function I need--that already works. I want to use the optional argument ti pull a template. The documentation says such a template must have MAcro/Product namespace.	18:45
streamlines	Is the documentation wrong?	18:45
streamlines	See: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/product-macro	18:46
@rizen	from Product.pm it is looking for WebGUI::Asset::Template->new($session,$templateId)->process(\%var);	18:46
@rizen	which is asset id	18:47
@rizen	i don't see anything wrong in the product macro docs	18:47
@rizen	maybe vague	18:47
@rizen	but nothing worng	18:47
@rizen	wrong	18:47
@rizen	if you want additional support you're going to have to ask someone else, or contact plain black support. i'm busy.	18:48
streamlines	I was coming to that....I have multiple Product.pms---maybe from upgrading since early 7.3?	18:48
streamlines	whoa....sorry man. I didn't mean to...	18:49
@rizen	i'm not angry...just busy	18:49
streamlines	I was't trying to be rude, rizen when I asked about docs wrong....I was just acknowledging that you seem to know more that the docs. And I didn't see your busy statement till after I hit enter on the last thing. sorry man.	18:50
streamlines	(or woman).	18:50
streamlines	no offense. I' new at alll of this.	18:50
@rizen	again i'm not angry	18:51
streamlines	thx.	18:51
@rizen	i haven't been offended	18:51
@rizen	i've just got other stuff to do	18:51
streamlines	cool. thanks for you time already. you've been very helpful.	18:51
streamlines	rizen: "it should, unless there is a bug" you think I should submit a bug report? I'm happy to go figure out how.	18:58
streamlines	cause Product/Macro really wasn't there. but my Product macro works to pull product only (not with optional 2nd arg)	18:59
streamlines	sorry "Macro/Product" mistype above.	18:59
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streamlines	I'm having a problem using a macro that accepts 2 arguments. Since I've never done this before (but it works fine iwth just one arg), I want to confirm my syntax is correct:	19:29
streamlines	Can someone please type an example of how to type the ^Product(SKU or productId, [templateId]); format?	19:29
streamlines	Is the comma necessary? square brackets are required?	19:30
streamlines	I know "^Macroname(argument);" is standard, but the question is how do I type the second arg, practically?	19:32
xootom	the square brackets mean it's optional, so you don't need templateId	19:35
xootom	you don't type in the brackets though	19:35
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xootom	so ^Product(123); is valid, and ^Product(123, abc); is valid	19:36
streamlines	I thought so. Thanks. comma separates the 2? space between comma and each arg matters?	19:36
+MrHairgrease	yes	19:36
+MrHairgrease	spaces are important	19:36
+MrHairgrease	so you don not want to use them	19:37
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streamlines	thanks. then I must be using the wrong thing for 2nd arg---rizen said assetId---thats the 23 characters displayed at the very top of the edit screen, right?	19:37
+MrHairgrease	22 characters	19:37
+MrHairgrease	looks like garbled crap	19:38
streamlines	yes..thats called a GUID, right?	19:38
+MrHairgrease	yeah	19:39
+MrHairgrease	you should use the assetId of the template you want to use	19:39
streamlines	hmm. then I guess I have a bug. Product macro doesn't work as described at http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/product-macro	19:39
streamlines	mine, anyway.	19:40
+MrHairgrease	what's the problem?	19:40
+MrHairgrease	I just joined the channel so I missed the first part	19:41
streamlines	well, it works as expected with just one arg.	19:41
streamlines	I'll fill you in , thank you for asking.	19:41
streamlines	so for the 2nd arg, I createda template....	19:41
streamlines	First I didn't knwo what namespace was...rizen pointed out it must be set on templ. creation. so I set namespace Macro/Product (as per documentation) on a new templ.	19:43
streamlines	when I add that asset Id of that new templ as 2nd arg to ^Product, the macro simple shows in its entirety in the snippet	19:44
+MrHairgrease	i see	19:45
+MrHairgrease	you mean you see ^Product(sku,templId); on your page	19:46
+MrHairgrease	in stead of it's desired outpiut	19:46
streamlines	The macro is the ONLY thing in my snippet. and when I add 2nd arg, the entire syntax of the snippets's contents is displayed. YES.	19:46
streamlines	RIGHT.	19:46
+MrHairgrease	ok	19:46
+MrHairgrease	i know what's going wrong	19:46
+MrHairgrease	but not yet why	19:46
+MrHairgrease	=)	19:46
streamlines	I tried playing with variations of the syntax, and sometimes I get the expected product not fount (or similar)	19:46
+MrHairgrease	what I think is happening is that the template cannot be instanciated	19:47
streamlines	Ahhh. :-) I'm happy you're here then.	19:47
+MrHairgrease	in your webgui.log you'll prolly find errors concerning that macro and method being called on undefined values	19:47
+MrHairgrease	do you have any spaces in your macro call?	19:48
streamlines	Spaces? no. its a one-liner, and typed as discussed above.	19:48
streamlines	is that what you mean?	19:48
+MrHairgrease	also did you commit the template?	19:48
+MrHairgrease	yeah	19:48
+MrHairgrease	like this	19:48
streamlines	yes. lemme clear cache and reload to see whazzup.	19:49
+MrHairgrease	^Product(mySKU, abcdefghEtc );	19:49
+MrHairgrease	noticed the spaces before and after the templId	19:49
+MrHairgrease	those should not be there	19:49
streamlines	AHHHH. willcheck/fix right now. You rock.	19:50
+MrHairgrease	So does Elvis =)	19:51
streamlines	EUREKA!!!	19:51
streamlines	woooo hooo1	19:51
streamlines	!!	19:51
+MrHairgrease	I guess it works then?	19:51
streamlines	someone should doc this!	19:51
+MrHairgrease	probably	19:51
streamlines	YES it workded. didnt even need to commit.	19:51
+MrHairgrease	also the macro should checj if it gets a valid templateId	19:52
+MrHairgrease	no	19:52
+MrHairgrease	you don't have to commit if you are under the same version tag	19:52
+MrHairgrease	as the template	19:52
streamlines	This negates the need to sync---oh nevermind. Elvis lives!	19:52
+MrHairgrease	I know he does	19:53
+MrHairgrease	He's just been abducted by aliens	19:53
streamlines	you a PB staff?	19:53
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+MrHairgrease	no	19:53
streamlines	indie perl contractor?	19:53
+MrHairgrease	no	19:53
+MrHairgrease	i work for oqapi	19:53
+MrHairgrease	oqapi.nl	19:53
streamlines	so you jus tdo this for fun?	19:54
+MrHairgrease	but only one day a week	19:54
+MrHairgrease	you could see it as a paid hobby	19:54
+MrHairgrease	this irc stuff i do just for fun	19:54
+MrHairgrease	though	19:54
+MrHairgrease	http://www.webgui.org/webgui/campaigns/people	19:55
streamlines	pb takes care of you then? I don't mean to pry. just curious. don't answer if you prefer...	19:55
+MrHairgrease	there you cfan find interviews with a number of wg developers	19:55
+MrHairgrease	no i can take perfectly good care for myself	19:55
streamlines	:-)	19:55
+MrHairgrease	oqapi pays me to work on webgui	19:55
+MrHairgrease	and the rest of the time i'm trying to graduate	19:56
+MrHairgrease	oqapi is a dutch software company that does a lot of webapps	19:56
+MrHairgrease	for which we use webgui	19:56
+MrHairgrease	we used to be part of procolix	19:56
+MrHairgrease	maybe you've heard of them before	19:56
streamlines	ahhh yes. I remember you now. the hollader who hates american beers, right? yup I heard of procolix.	19:57
+MrHairgrease	i never said I hate american beers	19:57
+MrHairgrease	i hate light beers	19:57
+MrHairgrease	which have no taste at all	19:57
+MrHairgrease	I actually like the miller mgd stuff	19:58
streamlines	I know. I'm just pulling your leg. I said I hate american beers.	19:58
+MrHairgrease	are you attending the wuc btw?	19:58
streamlines	All the same, you helped out a great deal. No wuc for me this year.	19:59
+MrHairgrease	ok	19:59
streamlines	and you---you'll be there?	19:59
+MrHairgrease	yeah	19:59
+MrHairgrease	but I gotta go to the grocery store	20:00
+MrHairgrease	I'm hungry	20:00
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streamlines	I have a love/hate relationship with WebGUI---tell you more later.	20:00
streamlines	Do you know if theres now a simple GUI way to re-order navigation items? or to prevent /newasset from being /newasset2 if /newasset once existed?	20:02
cap10morgan_	i'm trying to import a package from a temporary storage location (all via the API) in 7.3.22	20:31
cap10morgan_	but i get "Unsuccessful stat on filename containing newline" when I call $root->importPackage($storage)	20:31
cap10morgan_	i didn't used to get that error in previous 7.x versions	20:32
cap10morgan_	any ideas what's going on there?	20:32
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+MrHairgrease	streamlines: You can order assets by dragging them in the asset manager	20:33
+MrHairgrease	you should drag the rank#	20:33
+MrHairgrease	you can only reuse that url if there is no revision of an asset witrh the url in the db	20:33
+MrHairgrease	that includes revisions of trashed assets	20:34
streamlines	thanks. I had thought of that, but it didn't work in 7.3.22---is that new in 7.4.x	20:34
streamlines	?	20:34
+MrHairgrease	that has been in webgui for ages	20:34
+MrHairgrease	cap10morgan: not sure but my guess from the error is that a filename gets borked	20:35
+MrHairgrease	presumably a newline character is added after it	20:35
+MrHairgrease	it could be a known bug though	20:35
+MrHairgrease	check the changelog	20:35
streamlines	Thanks MrHAirgrease . I mean the draggin of the rank is new? Mine maybe wasn't working. I'll try	20:35
+MrHairgrease	also did you succesfully import the package you are trying out now in other versions?	20:36
+MrHairgrease	or is it another package	20:36
+MrHairgrease	streamlines: rank dragging has been in webgui for ages	20:36
streamlines	okaay then . supported in firefox?	20:37
+MrHairgrease	yes	20:38
+MrHairgrease	just tried it on demo.plainblack.com	20:38
+MrHairgrease	worked fine	20:38
+MrHairgrease	that's not 7.3.22 though	20:38
+MrHairgrease	just checked on a 7.3.22 site	20:39
+MrHairgrease	rank dragging works fine	20:40
streamlines	wow. I'm still hunting for where I'd re-oder items on my front page navigation--sorry I'm not so familiar with WG. I'm hunting thru assets now.	20:40
+MrHairgrease	in ff 2.0.0.6/Linux	20:40
+MrHairgrease	There is another way to move assets around	20:40
+MrHairgrease	turn on admin	20:40
+MrHairgrease	click on the icon of your asset left of the delete/edit/cut/copy toolbar	20:41
+MrHairgrease	a menu will pop up	20:41
+MrHairgrease	use the promote/demote links in that menu	20:41
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streamlines	ooookay. my wg must be really shot. I have a list of assets---left of the rank number theres a checkbox for each. Then below the total list, there a single toolbar, delete, cut copy/dupliceate, applies to anything checked.	20:47
+MrHairgrease	i mean the toolbar appering at the top of each asset when you view it	20:48
+MrHairgrease	not in the asset manager	20:48
streamlines	but no icon for each asset left of ----oooh. I see what you mean now. wow. cool.	20:49
streamlines	but I still can't reorder menu items--cause each on isnt an asset. or do I re-rank the the page layouts? I'm going to try.	20:50
streamlines	Elvis is the king. Now I know why you're called MrHAirgrease.	20:52
streamlines	Thank you.	20:52
+MrHairgrease	Evrything you can include in a navigation is an asset	20:52
+MrHairgrease	and has a rank	20:53
+MrHairgrease	which you can reorder	20:53
streamlines	kewl. next time I'm buying lunch.	20:54
streamlines	I have a page layout template in Root >Inport Node > Layout. It used to be the default layout for any new new page layouts I made--but I seem to have lost that behaviour somehow...	21:05
streamlines	Can someone tell me how to get that back? (my site theme folder doesn't have a page laouyt in it). This is my last Q. really!	21:05
streamlines	would copying (or moving) that layout template into my theme folder work?	21:07
@preaction	that page layout was a prototype? maybe change it back to a prototype?	21:11
streamlines	Thanks. I'm not sure what a prototype is/does again. Have to go reading. that gives me a start though. would simply copying it to my theme folder and re-applyiong theme to site work, tho?	21:14
@preaction	not that i know of: "theme" is probably synonymous with "style", the style template has little to do with the page layout template.	21:16
@preaction	style templates go around the individual asset templates, so to speak	21:16
streamlines	Ohh.. .I that explains why I didn't put it there to begin with :-). its not set as package or prototype. namespace is "Layout". So what would make it the default template for all new page layouts?	21:17
@preaction	the idea being that the style template controls how the site looks, and the individual asset templates just use CSS to get their look-and-feel (and so are more for functionality than look)	21:17
@preaction	nothing would. you could make it a prototype and then that layout would show up in the New Content menu	21:17
streamlines	I get it. I'll try that. There were several issues I was having that cleared up (it seems) with upgrade from 7.3.13 to 7.3.22 then to 7.4.8	21:19
streamlines	I'm confused by URLS, folders, and page layouts. Can a page layout appear within a page layout? I think that's when things broke--i tried that (because the url should appear below the url or parent layout).	21:21
streamlines	Seems like one has to keep a mental hierarchy of URLs matching hierarchy of corresponding folders and/or hierarchy of page layouts. Add to the mix the fact that some urls wont show in a page layout, I feel overwhelmed.	21:24
streamlines	I mean, WG allows each of thos heirarchies to be independent of each other. The GUI user has to remember the relationships.	21:24
streamlines	sorry--just venting some frustrations now. I'm gald y'all are here to listen.	21:25
streamlines	perlbot botsnack	21:26
perlbot	I'm not your prank monkey	21:26
streamlines	hmmm.	21:27
+MrHairgrease	streamlines: the urls do not have any hierachy	21:30
+MrHairgrease	the one and only hierarchy is parent-child	21:30
+MrHairgrease	as is shown in the assetmanager	21:30
+MrHairgrease	siblings are ordered by their rank	21:31
+MrHairgrease	the url of an asset has _nothing_ to do with its place in the asset hierarchy	21:31
+MrHairgrease	you should interpret the url as a unique title	21:31
streamlines	ahh. but to a web visitor, URLS do ---right? parent/child at least.	21:32
+MrHairgrease	why should web visitors bother with that?	21:32
@preaction	you can use Edit Branch to "fix" your url heirarchy to keep it neat and clean and organized with your asset heirarchy	21:33
+MrHairgrease	also a lot of cms-es have urls like index.php?pageId=12345	21:33
@preaction	personally, i recommend it, i find it easier to manage	21:33
streamlines	so I can arrange assets anyhow, assign URLs anyplace as I please---right?	21:33
+MrHairgrease	where's the hiererchy in that	21:33
+MrHairgrease	yes	21:33
+MrHairgrease	but	21:33
+MrHairgrease	keep in mind that urls are unique	21:33
+MrHairgrease	which means only one asset can have url x	21:33
+MrHairgrease	if you change that assets' url	21:34
+MrHairgrease	to y	21:34
streamlines	But thas' what All web visitors know". products/nozzles should appear under /products because of a logical relationship. A content manager would want to preserver that perception.	21:34
+MrHairgrease	then url x is still tied to that asset	21:34
@preaction	sure, but /products doesn't have to be anywhere near the Root asset in the heirarchy	21:34
+MrHairgrease	b/c in an older revision of that asset the url is still x	21:34
+MrHairgrease	also trashed assets that have not been purged yet still claim their original urls	21:35
streamlines	right---but the Assets have that parent/child as you said. I want to present the URLS in logical heirarchy--so I have to mentally know the relationships between assets oand the URLS---OR go look--or use a GUI way ot organize them.	21:35
+MrHairgrease	why?	21:36
streamlines	its the relationships that the conternt manager needs to see.	21:36
+MrHairgrease	you see the hierarchy as you browse through the site as a content manager right?	21:36
+MrHairgrease	anyway	21:36
+MrHairgrease	if you leave the url field empty	21:36
+MrHairgrease	webgui will use the menutitle prepended by the url of the parent	21:37
+MrHairgrease	so there's your hierarchical url being generated autiomatically	21:37
streamlines	As I brows I see heirarchy of assets. YES.	21:37
+MrHairgrease	and as preaction said	21:37
+MrHairgrease	you can make th url represent the plac	21:38
+MrHairgrease	location* of the asset in the tree	21:38
+MrHairgrease	using the edit branch functinality	21:38
streamlines	but they (can) have random urls. How can I organize my assets by usrl---I'd use a folder, or page layouts--but you see those have their own urls. After I use the edit branch, I still can't see where the URL of the branch goes, without inspection.	21:40
streamlines	Which inspection may/or may not be helpful, since (if the branch wasn't edited) the url found by such inspection may be entirely independent of a sibling!	21:41
streamlines	I know I'm not really making much sense, and all this is perfectly clear to WG architects.	21:41
+MrHairgrease	indeed =)	21:42
+MrHairgrease	how you order your urls is entierly up to you	21:42
+MrHairgrease	if you edit your assets and keep the url field empty	21:43
+MrHairgrease	and you do that consquently	21:43
+MrHairgrease	then all of your urls will exectly reflect the place in the asset tree	21:43
+MrHairgrease	including the root node	21:43
+MrHairgrease	since /root is the url of the root node	21:43
streamlines	and if I inherit a WG install from some disgruntled employee who didn't adhere to proper WG practice?	21:44
streamlines	Is there a was for me to see which assets map to which urls---since they're one to one--that should be easy to do--right?	21:45
+MrHairgrease	you can use edit branch	21:45
+MrHairgrease	to 'fix' such a site	21:45
+MrHairgrease	do this	21:45
streamlines	no. that would destry the exisitg URLS and google rankings.	21:45
streamlines	people linking to my site would break.	21:46
streamlines	(not the people--their links) :-)	21:46
+MrHairgrease	sure	21:46
+MrHairgrease	but what do you want then?	21:46
+MrHairgrease	you want to change your urls to a hierarchical system without changing them	21:47
+MrHairgrease	I know the USA is the country of of unlimited possibilities	21:47
+MrHairgrease	but I don't see this being possible even there =)	21:47
+MrHairgrease	but then again, I'm Dutch	21:48
streamlines	Sure. WG is incredibly powerful---but I want a GUI to see what my WEB users would see. right now I have WebFUZZY. ;-) no offense to the noble developers. I still think WG iIS the most powerul CMS out there.	21:49
+MrHairgrease	if you do not want your users to be able to edit urls (and thus effectively keeping the url input field empty hence creating hirarchical urls)	21:50
@preaction	uhm. isn't the site itself what your web users would see?	21:51
+MrHairgrease	you should put down their uilevel	21:51
streamlines	BTW, we can write a webcrawler/bot to see what URLS are presented by httpd---then match them (simple one-to-one) with know assets. Sounds like a job for perl--maybe someone will need a GUI' like this enough to fund a feature.	21:51
+MrHairgrease	so that they will not see the url field	21:51
@preaction	otherwise if you want a list of asset title, lineage, and url, make an SQL report	21:51
+MrHairgrease	the uilevel of url is 3	21:52
+MrHairgrease	or just create a nav for descendants of root	21:53
+MrHairgrease	will take a while to process though	21:53
streamlines	OK. Thanks for listening though. the feedback is helpful. I'll go figure out how to do the SQL report. Now where did I put that MYSQL book? :-)	21:54
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streamlines	erm---MrHairgrease?	22:21
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streamlines	MrHairgrease earlier pointed out that the to use the ^Product(); macro with the optional 2nd parameter, I need to omit the space between the 2nd parameters and the comma.	22:33
streamlines	I'm using that parameter to specify a template for formatting the product's appearance, and my macro now pulls that template and some product data.	22:33
streamlines	What's missing is my little "add to cart" link--normally placed there with the ^Product(SKU); call. ITs not there when I use the template. Any leads?	22:34
streamlines	IE "add to cart" link isn't there when I uset the optional template 2nd parameter. Ideas?	22:35
@preaction	the add to cart link isn't in your template?	22:36
streamlines	well, I don't know. I always find add to cart magically appears if I just do ^Product(SKU) in a snippet. so....	22:39
@preaction	of course, it's using the default template which includes that link	22:40
streamlines	I grabbed a template from the regular 'Product' (is that a wobject?) thing...and ....oh. default template? a Macro uses a default template? sorry. I guess I should read the code of that macro?	22:41
streamlines	I only know a little non-OO perl--but I dont know how things work together in WG. would I find a reference to the appropriate template in Product.pm?	22:43
@preaction	the product macro is different than the product wobject, the macro is the one that has the add to cart link	22:45
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streamlines	I noticed that. So how can I find the default template that the Product macro uses when I call it from a snippet?	22:49
@preaction	looks like the product itself can define a template id	22:51
streamlines	OK. meantime as I was looking around, I got "<sitename> has sent an incorrect or unexpected message. Error Code: -12263. " Have you experience with that?	22:53
@preaction	no	22:54
streamlines	I've seen it several times recently. That dialog pops up and I can't access the asset in question. I'm admin. I googled and searched pb, but nothing.	22:55
@preaction	webgui.log?	22:57
streamlines	hate to seem so stupid, but which one is the webgui log, please? I've got modperl.error.log modproxy.error.log . what filename, please?	22:58
@preaction	its /data/wre/var/webgui.log	23:01
@preaction	or /var/log/webgui.log, depending on whether or not you're using the wre	23:01
streamlines	sorry, I'm actually red hat certified, but I just don't know what's a wobject or which is the webgui log. its a whole different world. I don't want to waste anyone time..thanks. I'm using the wre.	23:01
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streamlines	big file. I'm coming up with the tail in a moment...thx. here:	23:05
streamlines	2007/09/27 15:04:11 - ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1013] - WORKFLOW: Something bad happened on the return of TVD_p41X-uqbmETWSIN1ug. <HTML>	23:05
streamlines	<HEAD><TITLE>An Error Occurred</TITLE></HEAD>	23:05
streamlines	<BODY>	23:05
streamlines	<H1>An Error Occurred</H1>	23:05
streamlines	200 OK	23:05
streamlines	</BODY>	23:05
streamlines	</HTML>	23:05
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@preaction	usually not polite to paste into IRC channels	23:06
@preaction	but something's wrong with your apache configuration	23:07
streamlines	oh. sorry. I didn't know. IRC relative newbie.	23:07
@preaction	perlbot paste	23:07
perlbot	Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it.	23:07
streamlines	I see something else happening very periodically...I'll paste as per perlbots suggestion	23:09
streamlines	pasted.	23:11
streamlines	http://sial.org/pbot/27755	23:11
streamlines	sufficient.	23:11
streamlines	?	23:11
@preaction	a thread about error 12263: http://boards.fool.co.uk/Message.asp?mid=10354751&sort=whole	23:11
streamlines	thats being logged for each site I have.	23:12
@preaction	that's a bug, what version are you running?	23:12
streamlines	thanks! I swear that wasn't there yesterday. :-)	23:12
streamlines	7.4.8	23:12
streamlines	on RHEL4	23:12
@preaction	it wasn't there yesterday, i assume you updated today?	23:16
@preaction	http://webgui.org/bugs <- post the contents of your paste there, it's a relatively simple fix	23:17
streamlines	you mean the error 12263 or the regular calendarupdatefeeds thing?	23:19
@preaction	the calendarUpdateFeeds on	23:23
@preaction	12263 is a misconfiguration in SSL for your browser, or your server	23:23
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streamlines	'k. will do.	23:27
streamlines	thanks very much.	23:28
xootom	can anyone tell me how passive profiling works, can i say look at the pages a user has viewed somehow?	23:28
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streamlines	and thanks for the gentle education re: ettiquette posting on IRC. truly grateful :-)	23:29
@preaction	xootom, i believe it has something to do with metadata. you might have to poke around and find out, as i can't find any docs on it	23:38
streamlines	but just a sec--there isn't any SSL happening when I get my error 12263. the assets aren't behind SSL--never been flagged such. There's no SSL transaction happening (That I know of) for there to be a server or browser issue. Plus, there's more::	23:38
@preaction	that's a Firefox error code, i assume? any google ads? anything on the page at all that might somehow use an SSL connection?	23:39
streamlines	Few days ago, suddenly, just ONE of my WG sites (on same server) quit working. Any attempt to load it gave Fatal Internal Error (or very similar) to browser. I tore my hair out for two days---and found some problems with my system.	23:40
@preaction	unrelated most likely	23:40
streamlines	OK, but it started with the 12263. Then it went downhill to Fatal Internal Error.	23:41
streamlines	But only one site was doing it.	23:41
@preaction	what was the fatal internal error about?	23:41
@preaction	xootom: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/content-profiling	23:41
xootom	ah thanks	23:42
@preaction	it looks like a way to get a different kind of aggregate stats for your site	23:42
streamlines	After many revamps and recompiles and learning that wth WRE perl was co-existing badly with my /usr/bin/perl, the issue went away.	23:42
@preaction	like putting "Section: Store" on the store portion of your site and "Section: Articles" and seeing how many users are there for the store or there for the articles	23:43
streamlines	The fatal internal error may have been related a mysql hack attempt. I had reason to think so---don't reaclly why jsut now--and I had to reset perms on mysql dirs, my.cnf, and mysql.sock	23:44
@preaction	anybody have any clue as to what this is? Show content based upon criteria	23:45
@preaction	The Wobject Proxy allows you to select content based upon criteria	23:45
streamlines	I was frustrated and didn't always act systematically---at the time i didn't know where all WG logfiles are....you enlightened me today RE: webgui.conf. I might have looked there first.	23:45
@preaction	are you using WRE 0.8 alpha?	23:45
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streamlines	had I known. I had read thru installation sectino (I thought there was a troubleshooting one too) but references to these flies are always vague if you haven't been around webgui for a while:	23:46
streamlines	eg	23:46
streamlines	EG: I found dozens of references to the webgui config fiile. what the heck is it called?	23:46
@preaction	it's in /data/WebGUI/etc, and it usually has the same name as your website plus .conf	23:47
streamlines	hunted and and found webgui.conf.original---appaetly not webgui.config file	23:47
streamlines	see that's what's not obvious from the avail documentation.	23:47
streamlines	I once asked for a main WG archecteure doc, but one wasn't avail then.	23:48
streamlines	THanks--yes I did realize that sitename.conf was what was to be considered the webgui config file.	23:49
@preaction	http://wiki.webgui.org <- feel free to help add / fix the free documentation	23:49
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streamlines	Now, don't get me wrong---I used to markup EE phd theses for a living and I don't like my time wasted--I'm not trying to blow a trumpet--I can't stand people that do. But I can't help but being frustrated by the absence of real information. I think PB should package WG and sell it. I feel like I own a Ferrari, but can't find the car keys. Again, I just want an open, friendly discussion....	23:57
streamlines	...This is the right place, right? Anyone?	23:57
@preaction	i feel there's more to be gained by WebGUI remaining F/OSS software than by WebGUI becoming commercial	23:58
@preaction	being F/OSS, it's in the hands of the users how they want to use it. they aren't only stuck in how plainblack wants it to be used	23:59
@rizen	there are 4 books on the subject of webgui, and a fifth one due out next week	23:59
@rizen	have you read even one of them?	23:59
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streamlines	yes, I have one. I saw a new one release today. I read all the preview.	00:00
@rizen	there are also workshops in two weeks that tell you exactly how to do the kinds of things you've been asking on here today, have you registered for them?	00:00
streamlines	can't . I'll be out of the US courting new clients.	00:00
streamlines	preaction: I know why you feel that way.	00:01
streamlines	IMHO, I think its an organizational groupthink thing. If WG really is the most powerful CMS on the planet---it didn't get there because the users chose perl, or html:template, or anything. who made those calls?	00:03
@preaction	there's also the point that Perl is almost impossible to "lock-down" in any appreciable manner, being an interpreted language. why forbid something you can't actually control?	00:03
streamlines	PB--right?	00:04
streamlines	I don't understand what you said about perl. you mean security?	00:04
@preaction	RedHat has Fedora. Canonical has Ubuntu. Mozilla has Firefox. these are not small names	00:04
@preaction	yes, if you want a closed-source WebGUI, you can't use an interpreted language	00:04
@preaction	it's like being surprised you get robbed when you leave your front door wide open	00:05
streamlines	Oh I see. hmmmm.	00:05
streamlines	duh.	00:05
@preaction	hell, Novell has SUSE now, they made an acquisition of a major linux distribution and continue to distribute it F/OSS	00:06
@preaction	i believe that JT made a good article on the business model of a company that develops FOSS software, http://plainblack.com/tbb	00:07
streamlines	What I want is not closed source. what's the PB parallel to RHEL (eg), and the flagship products of these mega-giants? The support?	00:07
@preaction	basically	00:08
streamlines	I really don't care about who sells what, unser what business model. End user-s don't run the company---but	00:08
@preaction	the support, hosting, development, and documentation that plainblack offers, while simultaneously developing, maintaining, and adding-to the areas the community uses for free documentation	00:09
streamlines	"typo: under what business...."	00:09
@preaction	"end-users don't run the company"? i'd think that what your users want, you'd want to provide, before somebody else does	00:09
@rizen	preaction is right. we do package and sell webgui, we just don't put it in a box	00:09
@rizen	we put up hosting servers	00:10
@rizen	sell support, books, training	00:10
@preaction	(in webgui, we have the RFE boards and the karma system for getting them bumped to the top of the list, and a promise to implement X number of them each minor version)	00:10
@rizen	streamlines, i've read back on your comments today, and i think one thing that you don't get...or maybe you do now but you didn't at the beginning of the day is that the webgui file system is entirely virtual	00:11
streamlines	That's true RE: end users to be sure. But is the primary revenue Service or Product?	00:11
@rizen	there's no magic to the folders	00:11
@rizen	they are just folders	00:11
@rizen	so moving stuff around in them won't do anything for you	00:11
@rizen	except move them around	00:11
@preaction	there is no actual revenue from the Product, but the Product sells the Service	00:11
streamlines	I know I'm missing more that half of webgui. Assume I'm the CIO of ---oh , I don;'t know---some mega corporation.	00:12
streamlines	Then ...	00:12
@preaction	and, through either luck or good business sense (imho almost interchangable), WebGUI sells Plainblack, which is good for WebGUI	00:12
streamlines	assume I've been given 1 week and 2 employees to eval the viability of a vendor/product using open standards.	00:13
streamlines	I once read a paper of a guy who recommended WG as a CMS for some university.. you know that one?	00:14
streamlines	it was his MAster's degree work.	00:14
streamlines	took him several months of course.	00:15
@preaction	nope, haven't come across that one	00:15
streamlines	I have it downloaded somplace. I'll post sometime.	00:15
streamlines	But back to the CIO--this Masters candidate had MONTS of time on his hands.	00:15
@preaction	why does this work: DocumentRoot /data/domains/mysite/public RewriteRule ^/extras/ - [L] <- there's no extras directory in public, it's supposed to be an alias? is it an alias in the modproxy httpd.conf?	00:15
@preaction	1 week is probably not enough time to make an informed decision about a product, given that you start with a list of products and no information about them	00:17
@rizen	if you're a cio of a major corp and you have 2 employees to work on the project then you'd also have some money to spend. in order i'd recommend doing it this way:	00:17
@rizen	a) host it with plain black initially, move it in house if needs be later (that way you don't have to muck with installs)	00:17
@rizen	b) hire PB or some other firm to do the design for you so you don't have to learn templates instantly, cuz it takes some time to do that	00:18
@rizen	c) get some sort of training from PB or some other firm	00:18
@rizen	d) have your 2 employees build out the site after training	00:18
@rizen	e) you'll have a live site in a week	00:18
@preaction	those Months were probably spent by him actually testing the product himself, admittedly WebGUI has some ground to gain in the realm of good press, but that's what your employees will be using	00:19
streamlines	A CIO---possible fresh from his own Master's program--- will encounter terms like SPECTRE, (nevermind the definition I saw in code someplace), wobject, magic, etc. etc. and not clear definitions of what these do --or why. Isn't that the market you want---Professional people who care about the initial availabilit, reliability , security, and manageability of a tool.	00:19
streamlines	?	00:19
@rizen	oh, and as far as evaluation goes, contact sales. they'll be happy to give you a demonstration of how webgui works	00:19
@preaction	and since what's good for WebGUI is good for PB, plainblack has begun campaigns for good press	00:20
@preaction	i guess i don't understand your concern: WebGUI is and will continue to be the best product that the community can make it. Plain Black Corp. will continue to pump time (which is money) into WebGUI because what's good for WebGUI is good for Plain Black Corp.	00:21
streamlines	My last client spent over $US20,000 on proprietary software that worked perfectly in the demo. Today, that 20k is lost becuse:	00:21
streamlines	the actual thing didn't work like in the demo	00:22
streamlines	and they couln't modify it.	00:22
@preaction	http://demo.plainblack.com <- the latest version of webgui, always available for instant trial	00:22
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@preaction	er... also demo.webgui.org	00:22
streamlines	The CDs are great coasters tho. I gues I'm saying--to an experience CIO--a demo doesn't mean squat. I was as the Win95 uveiling. :-)	00:23
streamlines	ie. not the guy fresh from his Master's degree--who doesn;t get paid all that much anyway.	00:23
streamlines	I'm saying that real revenue comes from the service, although the product synergistically drives some of that----	00:24
@preaction	you seem to be talking about Reputation	00:25
streamlines	Not really....Big decision makers (read spenders) will need a way to measure/guage the caliber of Service they'll get--thaty where they have to explaiun why they spent what they did to someone else./	00:25
streamlines	And I'm further saying that the quality of the product doesn't give an indication of the service---what 's the closes thing that migh?	00:26
@preaction	of course, the company's reputation (either self-espoused or otherwise) is what give them their opinion of the company. the company ends up advertising itself, success stories and the like	00:27
streamlines	the closes thing that could possibly tell them what kind of service they can expectis:	00:27
streamlines	documentation. Sure, you can wait for the reputation to build---or you can create your own "demo" of your service. You decide how. But the wikis and mailing lists don't tell me what PB will dleiver for my $$.	00:28
streamlines	The workshops I admit are good for that tho.	00:28
@preaction	the WUC itself is a measure of our devotion to support and training, this year's is (i'm told) going to be the best ever (this is my first WUC)	00:32
streamlines	The $20,000 software was purchased on Reputation. I'd love to throw 20k at PB--even if not my own--on behalf of my clients. I believe in the product, but I also think that allowing anyone do your "service demo" (your primary revenue thing) is like drifting at sea without anchor or sail. Please don't be offended---its just an simple little opinion. I'll shut up now. Thak you very much for...	00:34
streamlines	...setting me straight on several issues.	00:34
@preaction	though i notice that there are WebGUI Success Stories, there are no Plain Black Success Stories	00:34
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dj_perl_	Hello Haarg,	00:35
@preaction	i do believe a lot of our adoption happens in a sort of word-of-mouth: a hobbyist tries webgui for his/her own site, ends up liking it a lot, question comes up in a meeting, they suggest WebGUI, and things start rolling from there	00:35
streamlines	Anyone can put up a wiki. What can PB do for me? how do I measure that? just reputation?	00:35
streamlines	wait--sorry I just saw your last post....	00:35
@preaction	Plain Black does WebGUI hosting, support, development, or really anything WebGUI-related you need. as much or as little as you need.	00:36
@preaction	start out with training perhaps, which also happens to be a demo of the system	00:36
dj_perl_	It would be great if WRE installed right out of the box. Right now, it doesn't.	00:38
streamlines	But REAL money isn't to be had from the hobbyists (take me, for example). Ah, yes...I should start out with training. That I hadn't thought of ---it wasn't present and ready in my mind. I've paid RedHAt for training, for example. I had a personal instructor! Yes, I should consider that.	00:38
@preaction	from the plainblack.com/training/on-site -> 1,600 per day. you could have 15 days of training (3 weeks) before you had to pay more than just buying the software for the other system	00:39
@preaction	15 days being entirely unnecessary, i believe Kristi and/or Steve usually end up only spending 2-3 days for a complete walkthrough of every feature of the system (short of how to write Perl, Javascript, SQL, etc...)	00:39
streamlines	I should've done that.	00:40
@preaction	dj_perl_, what OS and version? what WRE version? building or pre-built?	00:40
@preaction	eh, the idea for that just came to me	00:40
dj_perl_	WRE 0.7.2, OSX Intel 10.4.2	00:40
@preaction	WRE 0.7 doesn't work on OSX Intel	00:41
@preaction	i know JT tried, and i think one or two of us plainblack people got it working, but i never did even with their help	00:41
streamlines	PB's job is to create the value of that before I spend the $$. You have to make me WANT to.	00:41
@preaction	the latest Alpha of 0.8 works almost out-of-the-box on OSX Intel	00:41
dj_perl_	Argh!! Wish someone'd told me that. I've spent the last 2 days trying to get it to work.	00:42
dj_perl_	Thanks, I'll get 0.8 alpha	00:42
@preaction	streamlines, that's what WebGUI is supposed to do. that's why it's free. you can try a demo, you can install on a dev box using free documentation and live community help (right here)	00:42
@preaction	dj_perl_, and i'll be here for the hangups, i believe there are two of them, but i don't remember them at all	00:42
dj_perl_	what do you mean by hangups?	00:43
dj_perl_	install hitches?	00:43
@preaction	dj_perl_, two completely undocumented steps that you need to do	00:43
@preaction	i know one is create the "webgui" user, it's documented but you have to find the right way to do it on OSX. i ended up downloading a useradd script from somewhere	00:44
dj_perl_	ok. i might as well check those into the docs, while i'm on it.	00:44
@preaction	netinfo is annoying as all hell, too... but whatevz	00:44
dj_perl_	i downloaded the useradd script also.	00:44
@preaction	must be i just don't understand	00:44
@preaction	i think then it's all pretty straightforward. there's a prebuilt for OSX intel 10.4	00:44
@preaction	alpha3 i believe, it's on the dev forum	00:45
streamlines	Hey thanks preaction and rizen for putting up with me. must grab dinner now. Really appreciate you humoring me. You folks really are good-natured. Hope we meet someday. :-)	00:49
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dj_perl_	yes?	01:15
@rizen	i can help you with the couple of undocumented things you have to do	01:15
@rizen	they are things we figured out after we put out the alpha	01:15
@rizen	first: download from here http://www.plainblack.com/downloads/builds/wre/	01:16
@rizen	2) do the install per the instructions provided in the distro	01:16
@rizen	3) go into /data/wre/etc/modperl.conf	01:16
@rizen	and comment out these two lines	01:17
@rizen	#PerlRequire /data/wre/etc/modperl.pl	01:17
@rizen	#PerlCleanupHandler Apache2::SizeLimit	01:17
@rizen	4) create /data/wre/prereqs/lib/GraphicsMagick-1.1.7/config/magic.mgk	01:18
@rizen	with this in it:	01:18
@rizen	<?xml version="1.0"?>	01:18
@rizen	<magicmap>	01:18
@rizen	</magicmap>	01:18
@rizen	5) edit your webgui config to make your uploadsPath point to your actual uploads directory	01:18
@rizen	due to a bug it points to /data/WebGUI/www/uploads	01:19
@rizen	that's it	01:19
@rizen	other than that it works out of the box	01:19
@rizen	the final version has those problems all fixed	01:19
dj_perl_	Ok, thanks. I'll let you know how it goes as soon as the download finishes.	01:19
dj_perl_	Alright, then I won't document these additional steps.	01:19
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+MrHairgrease	I have a whole lot of workflow instances that try to get mail for non existing CS-es.	16:12
+MrHairgrease	Obviously they error	16:12
+MrHairgrease	can I remove them by simply ditching all instances from the WorkflowInstance table with status = 'error' ?	16:13
+MrHairgrease	Or do I have to clean up somewhere else too?	16:13
@rizen	you can ditch them from the workflow instance table	16:16
+MrHairgrease	ok	16:17
+MrHairgrease	thanks	16:17
@rizen	but you'll also need to get rid of them in the WorkflowSchedule table	16:17
+MrHairgrease	other question	16:17
+MrHairgrease	ah	16:17
@rizen	so they don't get created again	16:17
+MrHairgrease	ok	16:17
+MrHairgrease	also	16:17
+MrHairgrease	if I return WAITING from an activity	16:17
+MrHairgrease	that activity is executed again in the next run?	16:18
@rizen	yup	16:18
+MrHairgrease	and the interval between runs is defined in spectre.conf right	16:18
@rizen	forever, until you return complete	16:18
@rizen	yup	16:18
+MrHairgrease	ok	16:18
+MrHairgrease	thanks a lot	16:18
@rizen	np	16:18
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knowmad	morning folks (those in the US anyhow). does the FormParam macro only read POST params or can it do GET as well?	17:20
@rizen	either	17:21
dionak	is this doc for this macro correct? http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/form-parameter-macro	17:21
@rizen	other than the sql report part yes	17:22
@rizen	fixing that	17:22
knowmad	can you add that it handles both GET and POST params?	17:23
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+MrHairgrease	Joeri!	17:23
dapperedodo	Hi	17:23
+MrHairgrease	biertje?	17:24
dionak	i'm trying to pull a specific param off the url to use in another macro. how do i go about doing that?	17:25
dionak	i'm looking at source but i just don't grok it	17:26
@rizen	^OtherMacro(^FormParam(phoneNumber););	17:27
dionak	thanks	17:28
knowmad	is the macro you are calling configured in the .conf file?	17:28
dionak	yes	17:29
dionak	so this macro really pulls data from url by processing the submitted form. i see	17:29
dionak	can a macro live in a snippet?	17:49
dionak	if i tell the snippet to process as a template?	17:49
+MrHairgrease	yes it can	17:49
+MrHairgrease	and you do not have to process it as a template to do that	17:50
+MrHairgrease	b/c macro != tmpl_var	17:50
dionak	ok, cool. thanks.	17:50
dionak	out of curiosity, are macros always processed?	17:51
+MrHairgrease	afaik yes	17:51
+MrHairgrease	but not in profile fields	17:51
+MrHairgrease	i think...	17:52
@rizen	macros are implemented as an output filter in webgui	17:52
@rizen	it's the last thing that happens before the content is returned to the browser	17:52
dionak	ok. that makes sense	17:52
knowmad	along these lines why is there the limitation on embedding macros that return commas or double-quotes? seems like there could be a way to escape that data so that embedding macros worked more cleanly without those caveats	17:54
knowmad	on another topic, will the SQLForm in 7.4 ever get back the ability to do a single-select list? in 7.3 I could set a fieldtype as selectList and set the height to 1 and it would generate a drop-down select. in 7.4 it is always generating a multi-select field.	17:55
dionak	as i recall, there's a select list and a select box	17:56
knowmad	oh, maybe they've been separated out in 7.4	17:56
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@rizen	i know nothing about sql form	18:05
@rizen	as far as macro parsing, you're welcome to try to write a better parser. a couple people on my staff are attempting to do it. it's not an easy task.	18:05
+MrHairgrease	Koen!	18:06
+MrHairgrease	biertje?	18:06
+MrHairgrease	knowmad: if you want to use selectlists with one option	18:06
+MrHairgrease	use the selectbox	18:06
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@rizen	knowmad...i don't mean to sound discouraging about writing a macro parser	18:10
@rizen	that was supposed to be an invitation, but it didn't come out that way	18:10
@rizen	i'd love to see a macro processor written in Parse::RecDecent	18:11
@rizen	or even a better regex parser	18:11
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knowmad	MrHairgrease: thanks for the input	18:28
+MrHairgrease	rizen	18:32
+MrHairgrease	a File form plugin	18:32
+MrHairgrease	the viewValue method returns a file icon plus the filename	18:32
@rizen	MrHairgrease: there's something on the wing	18:32
@rizen	some thing	18:32
+MrHairgrease	but it is not clickable and no url to the file.	18:33
+MrHairgrease	is that a bug?	18:33
+MrHairgrease	sorry for the garbled crap =)	18:33
@rizen	what garbled crap?	18:33
@rizen	honestly, i've never even looked at that code so i can't say for sure	18:33
@rizen	but i think that the viewValue was designed for the profiling system	18:34
+MrHairgrease	what happens is this	18:34
@rizen	it's certainly not very useful the way it is as you describe it	18:34
knowmad	rizen: glad to hear that others are working on a new processor; unfortunately, i don't have enough tuits to do myself	18:34
+MrHairgrease	a person can upload a file into his or her profile	18:34
@rizen	but...i'm not sure that file should even be allowed to be attached to profile fields	18:34
+MrHairgrease	but you are never able to download it when vieing the profile	18:34
+MrHairgrease	why not?	18:34
@rizen	spammers	18:35
+MrHairgrease	yeah	18:35
@rizen	create an account on someone's webgui server	18:35
@rizen	upload a file or files	18:35
+MrHairgrease	but you could also think of resume	18:35
@rizen	now you can use their bandwidth	18:35
+MrHairgrease	i see	18:35
@rizen	go ahead and change it	18:35
+MrHairgrease	ok	18:35
+MrHairgrease	when?	18:35
+MrHairgrease	now	18:36
+MrHairgrease	or in 7.5	18:36
@rizen	now is fine	18:36
@rizen	tuits?	18:37
@rizen	what's a tuit knowmad?	18:37
+MrHairgrease	tuits?	18:37
knowmad	http://www.passco.com/tuit.htm	18:37
+MrHairgrease	oh	18:37
+MrHairgrease	i think he means cojones =)	18:37
@rizen	i c	18:38
knowmad	cojones ?	18:38
@rizen	i keep getting tuits and losing them	18:38
knowmad	check for holes in your pockets	18:38
@rizen	i'm a tuit black hole in the universe	18:39
@rizen	or perhaps i'm a tuit furnace. maybe i get them and burn them up.	18:40
knowmad	i've heard about people like you ;)	18:40
@rizen	unfortunately i just can't seem to hire enough staff to take my day to day responsibilities so that i can focus on getting a round tuit	18:41
@rizen	=)	18:41
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dionak	has the svn branch occurred yet?	19:25
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dionak	i'm writing a macro to query a linked database. i just want to run the logic by someone more familiar to lessen the server restarts (users are on the server). I'm using WebGUI::DatabaseLink in the macro. Then I assign $dbLink = WebGUI::DatabaseLink($session, 'dbLinkId'), using the Link id from the admin.	19:59
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dionak	i then assign $db = $dbLink->db and call $db->quickArray() with my sql. am i missing anything?	20:00
@rizen	dionak: no, next week	20:11
@rizen	that should work	20:12
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dionak	cool. thanks. :)	20:14
cap10morgan	i have some templates for a custom asset that use a specific namespace, but whenever i edit them, the new revision's namespace is set to "Page"	20:24
cap10morgan	and that's what it shows in the metadata tab too	20:25
cap10morgan	but the db says "AssetReport" as it should in template.namespace	20:25
cap10morgan	any idea where that value is coming from?	20:25
dionak	hm. i'm getting the error "cannot locate object method quickArray via package WebGUI::DatabaseLink". i'm definitely missing something.	20:27
dionak	like the WebGUI::SQL object	20:28
dionak	but db() should be returning that.	20:29
@rizen	dionak: perhaps your database link isn't valid	20:33
@rizen	cap: i think the default namespace is "Page" when a namespace isn't set	20:34
@rizen	so likely somewhere you aren't setting the namespace	20:34
@rizen	or you're setting it to empty/null	20:34
cap10morgan	well, i'm setting it everywhere i can see to set it	20:34
cap10morgan	such as getEditForm in AssetReport.pm	20:34
cap10morgan	and i can't change it for these templates	20:35
@rizen	definition?	20:36
@rizen	i don't know how to help you without looking at the code, and right now i'm busy with the wre so i can't take time to look over your code	20:36
@rizen	sorry	20:36
cap10morgan	ah, yep. adding it to the definition did the trick. thanks rizen.	20:40
@rizen	np	20:41
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dionak	rizen: that was it. thanks!	21:11
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dionak	going back to an earlier conversation from today, we've noticed the selectBox option is missing from the sqlform. wondering if this was intentional? rizen, i remember your disclaimer earlier re: sqlform.	22:25
dionak	this is on 7.4.8 stable	22:25
dionak	hm, it seems selectBox is just no longer in the definition for SQLForm.pm	22:29
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dionak	adding a bug report	22:31
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