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--- Log opened Mon Oct 01 00:00:33 2007
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wgGuest57Hi, I tried logging into my account plainblack.com/support but it told me that my permission was denied...00:31
wgGuest57Can someone help me out?00:31
@preactionthis isn't really a plainblack help channel, but i can help you00:32
@preactionwhat's your account name?00:32
wgGuest57cryogas100:33
@preactionok, give me a couple minutes to pull it up00:33
wgGuest57well, i tried logging in because i'm trying to set up email accounts on the plainblack server, so i figured the support page would help me out00:33
@rizenyou are not in any support group00:34
@rizenif you believe this is an error, you need to contact info@plainblack.com00:35
wgGuest57Oh...00:38
wgGuest57Is there any chance one of you two would be able to help me setting up e-mail accounts on the plainblack server?00:39
@preactioni don't even know how00:39
@rizeni know how, but i have no way to verify who you are or what privileges you have, so until that is verified i can't help you00:40
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@rizenyou should be listed as a hoster00:40
@rizenif you are00:40
@rizenbut since you're not00:40
@rizeni can't help00:40
wgGuest57I can't provide any information for identification?00:46
@rizennot to us00:47
@rizenonly to info@plainblack.com00:47
wgGuest57But the likelihood of getting a response before tomorrow would be pretty low, yes?00:47
@rizenyes00:48
@rizenthat doesn't change the fact that we can't help you00:48
@rizenwe both want to help you00:48
@rizenwe can't00:48
@rizenwe don't deal with billing issues00:48
@rizenwhich is what this is00:48
wgGuest57Well00:48
wgGuest57We signed up, I just seem to have forgotten the account I bought hosting with00:48
wgGuest57And...I tried to retrive a password in hopes of retrieving the username as well, but we just pointed the DNS elsewhere on friday, so I have no access to my email account00:50
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wgGuest68I'm sorry to be such a bother, would one of you be able to provide me with the numerical IP of the plainblack server?02:17
@preactionwhich plainblack server?02:20
@preactionand there are utilities on your computer that do that for you02:20
@preaction*nix: host or dig; windows: nslookup02:20
wgGuest68uh, cold.plainblack.com02:22
@preactionperlbot host cold.plainblack.com02:22
@preactionoops02:23
@preactionperlbot host a cold.plainblack.com02:23
perlbotcold.plainblack.com has address 67.15.42.4402:23
wgGuest68alright, I just wanted to be sure02:24
wgGuest68thanks02:24
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+snapcountin retrospect... running a script that is going to add 30K assets to a site under one version tag was probably a bad idea07:07
+snapcountspectre is not going to be happy with me07:08
@rizeni'm not sure, but i don't think i accounted for such a version tag07:10
+snapcountlol07:10
@rizeni guess i should have07:10
+snapcountno... I should probably be doing my stuff a little smarter07:11
+snapcountthere's no reason I couldn't break the commits up07:11
+snapcountbut since it's running... I guess I'll see what happens =)07:11
+snapcountBasically, the script is pulling from an external db with states, cities, facilities in a city and detail about each facility07:13
+snapcountand creating a page for each facility with it's city and state as parent layouts07:13
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+snapcountmoment of truth...07:28
@rizenso what is the truth?07:47
+snapcountholy shit07:47
+snapcountit finished07:47
+snapcountlet me check the site and see if it still lives07:47
@rizennice. i guess i'm smarter than i thought07:47
+snapcountit worked07:50
+snapcountall the content is there, at least from random spot checks07:50
+snapcountwould take a while to verify each one =)07:50
@rizencongratulations. you have just committed the largest version tag in history. at least that i'm aware of.07:51
+snapcountsweet07:51
+snapcountI'll have to make myself a t-shirt or something07:52
+snapcount"I committed the largest version tag in WebGUI history and all I got was this stupid t-shirt"07:52
@rizenand people would actually like that shirt if you were coming to the wuc07:53
@rizenbut i think the general public would be like "huh?"07:53
+snapcountthey're like that for most of the shirts I wear now anyway07:54
@rizeni c07:54
+snapcountI guess the commit didn't finish entirely08:03
+snapcountbut the tag is showing up so I just clicked commit again08:04
+snapcountsee if it gets another chunk08:04
+snapcountI think I'm watching the "Don't tase me bro" special on COPS08:37
+snapcountthey've got like 6 people in one episode08:38
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+snapcountcool it finished09:25
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xdangerShouldn't the getContentLastModified function be overwriten in Collaboration to return ~ select max(revisionDate) from assetData where asset.lineage like '".$self->getLineage."%' ?13:04
xdangerIE is showing "old" version of a layout page that has a news-listing done with collaboration... I've even overwriten the headers to disable caching in the browser, but IE still caches them... Only the last-modified header is something that doesn't change...13:07
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AMH_mari@xdanger:you might try  flushing the WebGUI cache (accessible from admin console).14:14
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@rizenxdanger, you're probably right, it should18:01
@rizensubmit a bug report18:01
AMH_mari@rizen: following up last friday's discussion, this weekend took a look at the WebGUI macro parser and think I have a suggestion to improve it: instead of recursing with the whole parameter string and then separating into parameters, first separate parameters and then recurse for each parameter separately. The amended 7.4.8-final Macro.pm source can be found at: http://www.xs4all.nl/~tartarus/cabinet/Macro.pm .Did not have time to test it very 18:05
@rizenplease post it as an RFE. I won't have time to review anything until after the WUC.18:08
@rizenwhy would it be faster to parse each parameter separately?18:08
AMH_mariNot faster but more robust.18:08
AMH_mari(in handling commas and quotes in nested calls).18:08
@rizenmore robust is good, but i can't accept more robust without it being at least as fast as it is18:10
@rizenhave you performed any time trials?18:10
AMH_mariWill post it as an RFE; forgot the time, have to go home now, regards.18:10
AMH_mariNo time trials yet, can have a look this evening.18:10
@rizenok18:10
@rizenthanks18:11
AMH_maricu18:11
@rizenbye18:11
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danny_mkHello everyone!  cap10morgan, I won't be able to make the WUC so it is up to you to build up the hype on OpenId :-)19:14
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@rizenman you really know how to kill a crowd19:19
@rizenjust kidding =)19:19
+MrHairgreaseso much for the openId hype19:19
+MrHairgreaserizen19:27
+MrHairgreasewhat is or used to be the group with gid=519:27
@rizenno idea19:30
@rizenthe only ones i keep track of are 1,2,3,7,and1219:30
@rizenthe rest are basically irrelevant19:30
+MrHairgreasei ask because somehow in a site i'm working on19:31
+MrHairgreasethe admin group is in group 519:31
+MrHairgreasewhich does not exist19:31
+MrHairgreasemaking it impossible to add users to the admin group19:32
+MrHairgreaseon the demo site it works fine though19:32
@rizeni have that group grouping on plainblack.com19:33
@rizenbut it doesn't seem to affect anything19:34
+MrHairgreasecan you do this:19:34
+MrHairgreaseadmin console -> groups -> admin -> add users to group19:35
+MrHairgreasemanage users in group19:35
+MrHairgreasethen select some user and click safe19:35
@rizenworked fine19:36
+MrHairgreaseok19:36
+MrHairgreasei'm working with a half patched system here (the one on which i discovered the group->new bug)19:36
+MrHairgreaseso it could be that not everything is taken care of19:37
+MrHairgreasei'll check the svn logs19:37
+MrHairgreasestill that grouping being there is not correct i it?19:37
@Haargi think i changed something in addition to your patch that would have effected that19:37
+MrHairgreaseor do you actually have a gourp with gid=519:38
+MrHairgreasehaarg: yes19:38
+MrHairgreasei think so too =)19:38
@rizenwe don't have a group with an id of 519:38
@rizenand yes, that orphan should be cleaned up19:38
+MrHairgrease delete from groupGroupings where inGroup not in (select distinct groupId from groups);19:39
+MrHairgreasethat cleans it19:39
+MrHairgreaseand fixes my problem19:40
@rizenyou shouldn't even need the "distinct" clause in there19:41
+MrHairgreaseprolly not19:41
+MrHairgreasejust a habit19:42
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dj_perlHello preaction, where would I find some docs to get started developing an asset to connect with Photo Gallery?22:31
@preactionuhm... an asset? i can give you a UML diagram, though currently subject to change. there's a meeting in 30 minutes with the dev team to lock down the API22:32
dj_perlWell, where do I start developing? There has to be some documentation ( other than the UML diagram ).22:33
@rizendj_perl, you're going to need to set up your web services to just stand alone as dummies right now22:34
dj_perlI'll be developing a server-side application, to which the iPhoto/Picasa plugin will talk? right?22:34
@preactionlike what? currently for documentaton we have the Functional Specification, the UML diagram, the ERD, and a workflow diagram22:34
@rizeni've given you the data / method dictionary, the workflow diagram22:35
@rizeni could also send you the functional spec22:35
@preactioni don't think the funcspec would be of much use really, but the more info the better22:35
@rizenbut beyond that, there's nothing built yet. dev starts on it this week22:35
dj_perlI was hoping for a copy of the primer.22:35
@rizenthe CM primer?22:35
@rizenthat's only for using webgui22:35
dj_perlWebGUI primer22:35
@rizenthere's no dev docs there22:35
@rizenthe primer is for basic webgui usage22:36
@rizenend user level stuff22:36
@preactionyour best bet for developer information is the community wiki22:36
@preactionand the included perldoc22:36
dj_perlok, thanks.22:38
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+MrHairgreaseis it october 17th yet?23:10
@preactionnot yet23:11
@rizenit needs to hurry up and get here23:17
+MrHairgreaseis it October 17 th yet?23:18
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cap10morganI'm probably going to be implementing a new concept into WebGUI for our requirements, but I want to see if there's some way to do it such that it would have a more generally useful application:02:57
cap10morganFor our use, I need to be able to associate a "campaign" with every piece of content on the site02:57
@preactioncontent profiling?02:59
cap10morganthese campaigns come from an external source, and i want to label it w/ the name of the campaign but store the id of the thing03:04
cap10morganso i want to be able to define an external data source for it03:04
cap10morganand also make this property inheritable03:04
cap10morganso it's similar to a custom metadata field03:05
cap10morganbut it needs the inheritance and external data source thing added in03:05
cap10morganthe external thing could just be specifying a snippet that lists the options in some format03:05
cap10morgansince that way you could do a web services client, an sql report, a macro, or whatever03:05
cap10morganpreaction: content profiling == metadata, no?03:06
@preactionyes03:07
cap10morgandoes that seem like it would be a generally useful thing?03:08
cap10morganor a ridiculous over-complication of metadata?03:08
@preactionit sounds interesting, but i dont' know if it will be generally useful03:16
@preactioni mean, most people don't even use the existing metadata / content-profiling system03:16
+snapcountany network nerds present03:20
+snapcountI'm rusty03:20
+snapcountneed someone to check me on something03:21
+snapcountthe subnet mask for 16 addresses would be 255.255.255.240 right?03:22
+snapcount2^(32-28) = 16 so 16 addresses... so the first 28 bits in the mask are 103:25
nubayeah, 16 addresses, but the first is the network's, the last is the network's broadcast03:29
+snapcountso 1403:29
+snapcountusable03:29
nubayeah, well, youre using the other two too, in a way03:31
+snapcountindeed03:31
+snapcountthanks03:31
nubanp03:31
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+MrHairgreasehi16:57
asciihi16:57
@rizenbye16:57
+MrHairgreasedoes anybody know if it is possible to add a cs to an event in th ecalendar?16:58
+MrHairgreaseor at least provide a means for people to add something to that event?16:58
+MrHairgreaselike their name16:58
@rizencan't be done currently16:59
@rizensounds like you want to do an evite sort of thing16:59
@rizenis that correct?16:59
@rizencomments and a yes/no/maybe i'm attending16:59
+MrHairgreasewhat somebody at th ekoornbeurs wants is this16:59
+MrHairgreaseyeah16:59
+MrHairgreasethat16:59
+MrHairgreaseband X plays there at that time16:59
@rizenthat's on the todo list for calendar, but it doesn't exist yet17:00
+MrHairgreaseok17:00
+MrHairgreasemaybe I'm willing to make that17:00
+MrHairgreaseis there already a spec?17:00
@rizenevite.com17:01
@rizenthat's the functional spec17:01
@rizenwe don't have a technical spec for it yet17:01
+MrHairgreaseok17:01
+MrHairgreasewe'll have a talk about it at the wuc then17:02
@rizenokily dokily neighbor17:02
+MrHairgreaseI don't have time to spend on that before anyway17:02
+MrHairgreasedoh!17:02
@rizeni'll buy you a beer at the great dane, and you can tell me about your problems17:02
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dionakhey guys. i'm having a permission problem i'm trying to understand. we have a group created in WG and a sqlform that has permissions set that this group can edit, view and submit records. However, a user that isn't an admin and is part of that group is getting a blank form. no data is being populated. 17:15
dionaki checked the template but there's no tmpl_if statement around the completeForm variable that would prevent population17:16
dionakwhen i search, i get data b/c i'm an admin17:16
@rizenno idea17:19
@rizendescribe the problem as best as you can in a bug report17:19
@rizenwe're hoping to clean up 100% of the bugs wre/pb.com/webgui by the wuc17:19
+MrHairgreasedionak17:20
dionakok. i'll review the code a little first to see if i can find what the issue is. 17:20
+MrHairgreasethe group with edit rights should be all powerful17:20
dionakthat's what i was thinking...17:20
+MrHairgreasethe _canAlterTable and _canEditRecord in addition to canEdit and canView17:21
+MrHairgreaseare used to detrmine th eprivs17:21
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+MrHairgreaseboth the private methods return true for sure if canEdit is true17:21
+MrHairgreasedid you commit the sqlform?17:21
dionakyes. it's all committed17:22
+MrHairgreasedoes flushing the cache help?17:22
dionaklet me try...17:22
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dionakhm, no. same thing. 17:23
dionakone of those methods must be returning false for some reason. 17:24
+MrHairgreasewhat's going wrong17:25
+MrHairgreaseadding/editing records?17:25
+MrHairgreaseor the search?17:25
dionaksearch17:25
+MrHairgreasethat should use canView17:25
dionakthe user doesn't have a reason to add/edit so we haven't tried that. 17:25
+MrHairgreasewhich is fully inherited17:25
+MrHairgreasestupid question maybe17:25
+MrHairgreaseis the user in the group?17:26
dionakyes. does the group only need permission for the sqlform in question or is there a hierarchy i'm overlooking?17:26
+MrHairgreasejust the asset17:27
+MrHairgreaseit's weird though17:27
+MrHairgreasewww_search should return the insufficient privs if canView is false17:27
+MrHairgreasebut a blank screen is smething different17:27
+MrHairgreasenothing in the webgui.log?17:27
dionakoh, it's just a blank form17:27
dionaknot populated with data17:28
dionakthe screen has the template and everything as expected. just no data17:28
+MrHairgreaseoh17:28
+MrHairgreasebut you can search right?17:28
dionaki can as my user. 17:29
+MrHairgreaseand you do get the right results17:29
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dionakyes17:29
+MrHairgreaseit's just that whatever you typed in the search box disappears from that box after you've submitted the form17:29
+MrHairgreaseright?17:29
dionakactually, it's a little more complex but i'm testing by pasting in the correct url for a record in the search results. like recordId=something;viewOnly=0 etc..17:31
dionaki get data and the user doesn't. let me poke around a little more....17:31
+MrHairgreaseok17:31
dionakthanks for chiming in and trying to help. :)17:32
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dionakok. i found my issue. it wasn't a WG permission issue. 18:48
dionakIE6 is dropping parameters on a meta refresh, which is why the form is blank. there's no recordId to return data form18:48
dionakform = for18:48
@rizenyikes18:49
dionakyea...i'm going to create a quick test case to verify it's a "feature" and test on IE718:49
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dionakhm. on IE6 it keeps the params if I change the semi-colon param separator to &amp;18:55
dionakcan i use &amp; instead of semi-colons in WG?18:55
+MrHairgreasewhen seperating form params in a post you can either use & or ;18:56
+MrHairgreasei think the ampersand is being deprecated18:56
dionaki think that might make a redirect with multiple params impossible to do in IE6.18:57
dionaki would rather not see that happen. 18:58
dionakon another note, has anyone used HTML::Template::Expr successfully? 19:00
@rizenwe aren't the ones deprecating the use of &19:01
@rizenit's the W3C19:01
dionakoh, really? i hadn't read that. 19:02
dionakwow19:02
@rizenWebGUI still supports both, and will continue to do so until the W3C says otherwise19:02
dionakreplacing it with what? 19:02
@rizen;19:02
dionakok, cool. thanks for clarifying19:02
@rizenHTML::Template::Expr is used by my design staff all the time19:02
@rizenthey love it19:02
dionakcool. we're trying to set it up. 19:03
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@rizenjust remember that with that all variable names that have a . are changed to use _19:04
dionakah, a very important detail! :)19:05
dionaki'm hoping IE6 will die before W3C deprecates the &19:08
dionakor just die a very sudden death. :)19:08
@rizeni've read that as of XHTML2 HTML5 it will be deprecated19:09
@rizenor rather removed19:09
@rizenit's already deprecated19:09
@rizenhowever, i'm guessing that most browsers will continue to support it for a very long time after that19:09
dionakyes, that would make sense. it would break a lot of the internet sites otherwise. I read that part of the HTML5 projects values was to not break too far from convention so as to be backwards compatible. 19:11
dionaki sometimes debate switching back to HTML419:11
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xootomis anyone familiar with the dashboard? in userProfileData I have three columns, guidcontentPositions, one of which is the guid of the dashboard on my site. Are the other two old deleted dashboards, that I can drop?01:35
@preactionthe dashboard's purge method didn't remove them for you?01:38
xootomno but they might have been there since 7.3.20 ish01:41
xootomcould they be anything else or are they definitely old dashboards01:41
xootomanyone know where the default dashboard layout is stored, is it the guest user's value for contentPositions?01:45
xootomi think i've hit a limit in the way contentPositions are stored, as varchar 255 characters... that only holds 11 guids, my dashboard is now randomly hiding and positioning things :(01:48
MrHairgreasethat should be a text field01:53
MrHairgreaseyou should file a bug report01:53
MrHairgreaseanyway01:53
MrHairgreasetime to go to bed01:54
MrHairgreasesee ya01:54
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@preactionyes it should be a text field, and yes, currently the Visitor profile stores the default content positions for a dashboard01:55
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xootommany thanks02:09
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@rizensalutations17:06
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@rizenbug --18:25
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ascii!19:30
@rizenbang?19:31
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asciiguess that could be appropriate for $bug--, but i use it for hello mostly19:34
@rizeni c19:34
@rizenwell hello then19:34
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+MrHairgreasesnapcount!21:50
+MrHairgreaseyou're back!21:50
+snapcountyep21:51
+snapcountI'm revived21:51
+MrHairgreasewhat happened?21:51
+snapcountI've been traveling far away lands searching for my true self21:51
+snapcount=)21:51
+MrHairgreasesure21:51
khenn_did you find Buddah?21:51
+snapcountlol21:51
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+snapcountnope, not yet21:51
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+MrHairgreaseare you coming to the wuc too?21:52
+snapcountno not this year... sold out too fast21:52
+snapcountbut that's awesome21:52
+MrHairgreasetoo bad21:52
+MrHairgreaseyeah it is21:52
+snapcountI should just fly up there and stalk the conference21:52
+snapcountbe "that guy"21:53
+snapcounthehe21:53
+MrHairgreaseyou should bring your raincoat21:53
+snapcountI was just thinking that21:53
@Khennyou'll be the guy in the "All your base are belong to us" shirt eh?21:53
+MrHairgreaseand a newspaper with a tiny peephole in it21:53
+MrHairgreasehehe21:53
+snapcountKhenn: yep21:53
+snapcountor something even dorkier21:53
@rizenbug --21:55
+snapcountnice21:55
+MrHairgreasewhere can i buy those?21:55
@rizenthinkgeek.com21:56
@Khennhttp://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/gaming/3777/21:56
@Khennrizen will be the one in this shirt: http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/frustrations/58f5/21:57
+MrHairgreasekhenn21:57
+MrHairgreasestop giving me metal pictures21:58
+MrHairgreasemental*21:58
@KhennI guess it is sort of close to bedtime for you21:58
@Khennsweet dreams =p21:58
+MrHairgreaseno21:58
+MrHairgreaseit's only 9pm21:58
+MrHairgreasebut the idea sticks21:59
* MrHairgrease shudders21:59
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apeironGreetings!17:54
@rizeni rescind bug--17:55
@rizenand replace it with 17:55
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@rizen$bug--;23:26
@preactionwoot23:26
@rizenlook at the bug list23:27
@preactionplan tests += 5023:27
@rizenalmost clean23:27
@rizenonly 50?23:27
@preactionin order to test the photo asset i need to test the file and image assets, i haven't even gotten to the gallery/album yet23:27
@rizenoh23:28
@rizennice23:28
@preactionand it'll be slow going until i figure out an easy way to test the processPropertiesFromFormPost method, i don't know if Colin perfected his apr mockobject to work with uploads23:29
@preactionbut we're almost there23:29
@preactionwait, you fixed the collab system date thing?23:29
ckotilI think i found a bug in how the sql report asset is handled by the nav asset. it seems to be treated like a page layout asset and an article asset at the same time.23:30
@preactionuhm? nearly all assets can have children23:31
@preactionthere are some exceptions with assets that don't make sense outside of certain containers, like Posts, Threads, and Events23:31
ckotilyah, it might be my custom nav template... still verifying.23:31
@preactionadmittedly the nav asset doesn't get nearly enough information about the assets, but to do so would slow down an already slow operation23:32
ckotilright,  i understand that.23:33
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danny_mkRoot cause: Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /opt/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/CalendarUpdateFeeds.pm line 357.05:04
@Haargbeen fixed05:05
@Haargfor 7.4.905:05
danny_mkok05:05
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xootomhttp://www.webgui.org/wg/contribute is broken at the mo19:03
+MrHairgreasehere too19:03
+MrHairgreasejust a blank page19:03
@rizeni can see it19:04
@rizenwhat browser are you looking in?19:04
xootomcached?19:04
xootomfirefox 2.0.0.6 ubuntu19:04
+MrHairgreaseff 2.0.0.6/lnux19:04
@rizenjust refreshed the page19:04
@rizenstill works19:05
@rizentrying firefox now19:05
xootomliterally blank here19:05
+MrHairgreasecleared my browser cache19:05
+MrHairgreasedidn't help19:05
@rizeni get that in firefox too19:05
@rizeni'll look into it19:05
@rizenit works in safari19:06
@rizenchecking ie19:06
+MrHairgreasekonqueror fails too19:06
@rizeni see the difference now19:07
@rizenhas nothing to do with browser19:07
@rizenbut whether you are logged in19:07
@rizenor perhaps privs19:07
@rizenon a browser where i'm not logged in i get the white page19:07
@rizenbut when i'm logged in it works19:07
xootomyep same here19:07
+MrHairgreasewget http://webgui.org/wg/contribute19:08
+MrHairgreaseget an empty file19:08
+MrHairgreaselogging in works for me too19:10
+MrHairgreasebut the poll is missing19:10
+MrHairgreasemaybe that has something to do with it?19:10
xootomi guess the server logs will show the prob19:11
@rizenon phone, will look when i can19:12
@rizenthere appears to be a problem drawing the graph19:27
@rizenwith graphics magic vs image magick19:27
@rizenhttp://www.webgui.org/uploads/temp/ng/ngKG_meCXVmarTeXFYM_nw/poll_bUgyoMZc8E6irc3zZZ97Q.png19:27
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@rizenfixed for now by switching back to text graph19:37
@rizenreported a bug which graham and i will work on this week19:37
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@preaction7 days until the WUC!!!!!1111eleven22:52
@rizenwahooO!!!!!22:57
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+MrHairgreaseeven better23:31
+MrHairgreaseonly 6 days till the Dutch invade!23:31
@rizenwe've already outfitted all the roads and airports with land mines and artillery23:32
+MrHairgreasethat won't help23:32
+MrHairgreasewe can walk over water =)23:32
@preactionwon't somebody please think of the children?23:32
+MrHairgreasewe walk over children too23:32
@rizeni guess we'll need some sea mines, and robotic sentry drones23:33
@preactiondon't we have an extradition treaty with Dutchland or whatever?23:33
+MrHairgreaseI think we have unfortunately23:34
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@preactionso you'll be on your BEST BEHAVIOR?23:35
@preactionthat's boring...23:35
@rizenmartin, i'm sick of preparing for the WUC at this point. can't you just come a week early and we'll get it kicked off?23:35
+MrHairgreaseno23:36
+MrHairgreaseI already have stuff planned for the weekend23:36
+MrHairgreasealso23:36
+MrHairgreasea wuc of a week and a half is a bit much23:37
@khennIf you thought it was cheap to drink in Las Vegas, wait till you go out drinking in Madison23:37
@khennyou will not want to go home23:37
@khenna week and a half may not be enough =p23:38
@preaction<3 wisconsin23:38
+MrHairgreaseok frank23:38
@khennWisconsin has to be nearly the cheapest place in the world to drink23:38
+MrHairgreaseyou're on23:38
+MrHairgreasei'll buy you some drinks23:39
@preactiondrinking contest between martin and frank?23:39
+MrHairgreasepb owes me money anyway 23:39
@preactioni will PAY to see this23:39
+MrHairgreasewho's talking about contests23:39
@preactionaww...23:39
@khennI'm not competing against Martin23:39
@khennare you kidding?23:39
@khennI tried that in vegas 2 years ago23:39
+MrHairgreasewere you competing?23:39
@khennno23:40
@khennbut I tried to keep up =p23:40
+MrHairgreaseI can clearly remember you said 'I'm gonna drink with the dutch guys tonight'23:40
+MrHairgreaseand you did well23:40
@khennI didn't do so well the next morning23:40
+MrHairgreaseoh23:40
+MrHairgreaseheh23:41
@preactionAmerican puritanism makes us soft :(23:41
+MrHairgreaseyeah I remember that23:41
@khennand Tavis has footage of me that is youtube material23:41
+MrHairgreasemore specificly23:41
+MrHairgreasei clearly remember not seeying you at all23:41
+MrHairgrease=)23:41
+MrHairgreaseso put it on youtube23:41
@rizeni think len doesn't love us anymore23:41
+MrHairgreaseI'll be able to use it in my acme presentation23:42
+MrHairgreaseactually23:42
+MrHairgreaselen still loves you23:42
+MrHairgreasebut he's really busy doing parent stuff23:42
+MrHairgreasei talked to him a couple of days ago23:43
+MrHairgreaseand he wanted to come to the wuc23:43
+MrHairgreasebut alas23:43
+MrHairgreaseno time23:43
@rizendamn the parenting23:45
@rizeni miss len23:45
+MrHairgreaseso do I23:46
@rizeni want to build up the wisconsin team23:57
@rizenso i think i might turn off all the mines, artillery, and robots until after you're here23:58
@rizenthen i can populate the wisconsin team with the former dutch team23:58
@rizen=)23:58
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+MrHairgreaselanguage question00:09
+MrHairgreasei we are talking about my beer00:09
+MrHairgreaseshould i write00:09
+MrHairgreasemartins beer00:09
+MrHairgreaseor martins' beer?00:09
@khennmartin's beer00:09
+MrHairgreaseok thanks00:10
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@preactionis there a reason why this channel is +s (secret). it means we won't show up on a /list of channels.00:24
@rizennope00:24
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+MrHairgreasehahahaha00:26
+MrHairgrease#perl has 567 users00:27
+MrHairgrease#python only a puny 50200:27
@preactioncheck out ##Php :( and #ubuntu00:28
+MrHairgreasewell channel that need two hashes must uck00:29
+MrHairgreasesuck*00:29
+MrHairgreaseand what's wrong with ubuntu?00:29
@preactionit's a freenode guideline, "official" project channels get one hash, "unofficial" or "about" channels get two. perl and python should have two00:30
@preactionit's just huge00:30
@preaction1200 people, on release day i imagine it will grow to twice that00:30
+MrHairgreaseall 2400 people using ubuntu =)00:31
+MrHairgreaseminus one00:31
+MrHairgreaseb/c I don't use that channel00:31
+MrHairgreasestill php has only 40 user more than perl00:31
@preactionhuh, perl's closed the gap a bit00:32
+MrHairgreaseconsidreing all that php code that barfed around the net00:32
@preactionbut then the community in ##php is toxic (and that's an understatement)00:32
+MrHairgreaseoh really00:32
+MrHairgreaselet's try out that channel then00:32
+MrHairgrease#perl suck anyway00:33
+MrHairgreasenoone uses the nick larrywall00:33
@preactionmerlyn (Randall L Schwartz) used to hang out in #perl for a while, but he's rather abrasive and I think the chanops finally asked him to leave00:34
+MrHairgreasei guess you're right about php00:34
+MrHairgrease(11:33:36 PM) Alloos2: hi, how do I take specific letters from string, example I want to take the first 6 letters in this string: thisisfoo00:34
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+larrywallkneel before me00:35
+larrywallfor I have the nick!00:35
+larrywallmuhahahahah00:35
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+MrHairgreasewow00:36
+MrHairgreasethat felt blasphemous00:36
@preaction40 Hail Larrys and 10 lashes with a Llama book00:37
+MrHairgreasehmmmm, llama00:37
+MrHairgreaseif we can keep up this level of maturity the wuc is bound to be unforgettable00:38
+MrHairgreasefor better or worse00:38
* apeiron peeks in.00:46
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@apeironyay01:18
@khennyay?01:23
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+crythia1hrm05:00
+crythia1anyone play java risk?05:01
@preactionrisk? in java?05:01
@preactionooooOOOOoooh05:01
+crythia1yeah05:01
+crythia1http://jrisk.sourceforge.net/download.shtml05:01
+crythia1best irsk ever05:01
+crythia1risk, even05:02
@preactionlike, online and stuffs?05:02
+crythia1yeah multiplayer internet05:02
+crythia1or seat shufle05:02
@preactionaccurate to the board game at least?05:02
+crythia1yes.05:02
@preactioni think that this company is going to hate you for the days of lost productivity you're about to inflict on me05:03
@preactionbut AWESOME05:03
@preactionalways, always, always take Austrailia first05:03
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@preactionthe extra two armies per turn quickly adds up to an unstoppable killing force!05:03
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+crythia1yeah but when you hold africa or NA, it's more fun.05:04
+crythia1well, I'm hosting a game right now05:04
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@preactionthe idea is to make a stronghold, since there's only one way into australia (through Laos)05:04
+crythia1trying to get more than just the one other guy I play against.05:05
@preactionnot a lobby-type game?05:06
@preactiongive me a minute to download/install05:06
+crythia1unfortunately, it doesn't have a good lobby.05:06
+crythia1don't use the installer if not using Windows05:06
@preactioncrap05:07
+crythia1well, it might work, then again...05:07
@apeironIf it's "100% Pure Java", It Should [tm]05:07
@preactionwell i'll get both and see05:07
@preactioni might have to break out my java *cough* skills *cough*05:08
+crythia1we play mission.05:09
+crythia1most of the time.05:09
@preactioninstaller worked okay, what's the server?05:11
+crythia1crap. it seems I have only a limited number of players.05:12
+crythia1if it were, it'd be www.gwy2.org05:12
@khennpreaction, you have no Java skills =p05:14
@preactionliar! i've written complex game-management software in java05:14
+crythia1you have to wait until all joins before choosing character. please wait until I set it up and everyone connects05:14
@preactionwtf, this thing is weird05:14
@preactionk05:14
+crythia1connect05:15
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@preactionk05:16
+crythia1now we choose05:16
@preactionthe pink empire will rule you all!05:17
+crythia1mission?05:17
@preactioni dunno what that means05:18
+crythia1you get a secret --- kill a player, conquer two countries, etc.05:18
@preactioni've only ever played Domination (the old risk)05:18
+crythia1it's faster05:18
@preactionahh05:18
@preactionsure05:18
+crythia1but apparently, we'll do domination. world conquest05:18
@preactionk05:18
+crythia1I did autoplace, so it speeds things up a bit05:19
@preactionwtf, autoplace gay05:19
@preactionthat's the damn AI? crap05:26
+crythia1who?05:27
@preactiondark blue05:27
@preactionwho took australia05:27
+crythia1yeah05:27
@preactionand who i now have to defend Siam against05:27
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@preactionunf, asia is MINE05:37
@preaction... but not for long05:38
@preactionomg yes +7 armies!05:39
@preactionomg05:41
+crythia1yeah05:41
+crythia1guess I'm out. :)05:42
@preactionthat jerk05:42
@preactioni'll take most of America next turn probably05:42
@preactionhe killed you and basically comitted suicide05:42
@preactionwhat remains to be seen is how far blue pushes him05:43
@preactionomfg05:43
* snapcount grabs some popcorn05:44
+snapcountfar more interesting than the "bachelor" crap Keri has on TV05:44
@preactionthe blue ai just trashed asia05:44
+crythia1yeah... and Europe05:44
+crythia1interesting choice.05:45
@preactionoh come on, he had an easier time taking out Siam with 15 armies... i try to take one with 1 army against my 5 and he kills them all05:46
@preactionCHEAT 05:46
+crythia1it's pretty fair dice rolls.05:47
@preactionCHEAT i say05:47
@preactionblack isn't smart at this game are they?05:48
@preactionnot one country with more than 1 army05:48
+crythia1meh. it's tough and sometimes you just have to conquer territory to prevent large next load05:49
@preactionjust for them to have to leave a conquering army?05:49
+crythia1meh... 05:50
+crythia1it was a bad spread05:50
@preactionand germany defends itself against a wildly superior force05:50
+crythia1and cyan kicked butt in real time.05:50
@preaction but not twice :(05:50
@preactionsurprised cyan hasn't moved against middle east yet05:50
@preactionno. blue is doing it05:51
+crythia1me, too05:51
@preactionwhere the fuck is blue getting all these armies?05:51
@preaction14 per turn?05:51
+crythia1cards05:51
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@preactionthere's no way, he got like 14 last turn too for turning in cards05:51
+crythia1mebbe he had 5, forced to discard, got a set05:51
@preactionaw hell05:54
+crythia1heh05:54
+crythia1fate is a fickle mistress05:54
@preactiongo japan!05:55
@preactionWOOOT05:55
@preactionaw05:55
+crythia1no kidding05:55
@preactiontaking out 5 not bad05:55
@preactionHA go China!05:55
@preactionaw05:55
@preactionlot better than i thought05:56
+Radix_leave australia alone! :)05:56
@preactionhell no, it WILL be mine05:56
@preactionthat damned AI had better let me have it05:56
+Radix_heh05:56
@preactionit's hard as hell to conquer, i've wasted like 10 armies already trying to get at a continent worth of 1-army countries...05:57
@preactionhe rolls natural 6's like a bitch05:57
+crythia1ooh. dum ai05:57
@preactionoh... god.. YES05:57
+crythia1increasing cards. loverly.05:57
@preactionMINE05:58
@preactionnow to take out Cyan's africa +3, no more of that jazz. or maybe i'll sweep through asia again05:59
+crythia1too late to hold australia this late in the game.05:59
+crythia1and you can bet nobody's going to help you by killing siam06:00
@preactioni don't want it killed, i has plan06:00
@apeirondoes it has a flavour?06:00
@preactionput my new armies on siam, kill india, move indonesia to siam, next turn put new armies on india and start two-pronged (maybe three-) sweep of asia06:00
+crythia1I'm in UR AUS, making dah 2sies.06:00
@preactionno, i've fallen into that inevitable evil genius trap: NEVER explain the plan before it's executed...06:01
@preactionit must be because i've substituted chocolate-covered coffee beans for supper06:02
@preactioncyan should take SA and get it over with. then try to stomp europe and start clashing for asia06:02
@preactionthat AI in america has got some fortifications...06:03
+crythia1unfortunately, it appears that disconnected06:03
+crythia1sully06:03
+crythia1crap crap crap06:04
@preactionno graceful handling of that?06:04
+crythia1apparently, not. between movies, ai takes06:05
+crythia1movies: moves06:05
@preactionas the game creator, do you have additional powers?06:06
+crythia1not really.06:06
+crythia1can't /kick06:06
@preactionyeah, that'd be a nice feature, kick the user and replace them with an AI of your choosing06:07
@preactionplus chat. plus a pinging thread to make sure everyone's still there06:07
+crythia1yeah, well, generally it's ok. but this happens rarely.06:07
+crythia1I'll stop it, but I'm tired.06:08
+crythia1perhaps another time.06:08
@preactionindeed06:08
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@preactioni would've won anyway06:08
+crythia1hee06:08
@preactioni suppose back to the photo gallery for a bit06:08
@preactionmaybe this weekend i'll take a look at this game. the sync problems with creating a network game is almost inexcusable06:09
@preactionand the not having hosting controls is just as bad06:09
@preactionlooks like it's relatively active, so i might have to ask the developer before i just jump in06:10
+crythia1well, there you are :)06:10
@preactionwait, maybe not. 1.0.8.9 was released in January06:11
+crythia1gnite06:11
@preactionnite06:11
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SDuensinGreetings16:41
@khennmorning16:41
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AMH_mariHi all; has anyone tried upgrading the YUI-library that WebGUI uses to the latest version (i.e. 2.3.1)? We would like to use the color picker beta that's in the latest version.17:07
AMH_mariBut we're a bit worried that WebGUI's functioning is affected...17:08
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@khennWhat version of WebGUI are you using?17:58
AMH_mari7.4.818:09
AMH_mariAlas, I have to catch my bus home now...18:09
AMH_mariI'll revisit this channel tomorrow and retry the question. @khenn: thanks.18:10
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snoHow do I get a HTML::TemplateExpr instance in an object?23:01
+MrHairgreaseyou mean how you can set templates to use html::tmplate::expr?23:02
snoYes, when both are available, but the default is not Expr23:02
+MrHairgreaseyou should set that in the template23:02
+MrHairgreaseI think it's under the properties tab23:02
snoYeah, it is set at the template properties level.  I see that now.  Thanks.23:07
snoI guess I want it to be established on upgrade, so I'll have to update the instance after template import.23:08
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--- Day changed Wed Oct 10 2007
+MrHairgreasewoohoo00:15
+MrHairgreaseI have a concept webgui macro parser in parse::recdescent!!!00:15
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+MrHairgreaseany regex guru's in the house?01:00
+MrHairgreasehow can I not match a sequence of chracters01:01
+MrHairgreasesay01:01
+MrHairgreaseI want not to match );01:01
+MrHairgreasehow do I do that01:01
@rizenall you have to do is: m/.*/01:01
@rizenthat will match all your characters01:01
@rizen=)01:01
+MrHairgreasethat I know01:01
+MrHairgreasebut I don't want that01:02
@rizenm/![\);]/01:02
@rizendon't know if that would work or not, but it's my first guess01:02
+MrHairgreaseI also tried the (?!...) syntax01:03
+MrHairgreasebut I'm to dumb to use the (?...) stuff01:03
@preactionwhy not $m !~ /.../01:18
@preactionperlbot perlre01:18
perlbotPerl regular expressions - http://perldoc.perl.org/perlre.html01:18
+MrHairgreasecannot do that01:18
@preactionor did you need one of the zero-width lookahead/lookbehind assertions so as to not consume parts of the match string?01:18
+MrHairgreasei want to match anything up to 0:01:19
+MrHairgrease);01:19
+MrHairgreasenoy 0;01:19
+MrHairgreasenot*01:19
@apeironperl -le '$_ = "foobar"; /foo(?!bar)/ and print "hm\n"; $_ = "foobaz"; /foo(?!bar)/ and print'01:19
@preactionso it's a choice of a single character?01:19
+MrHairgreasewhat do you mean with that01:20
@preactionso you're matching up to but not including ');'01:22
@preactionlike the macro parser?01:22
+MrHairgreaseyes01:22
@preactionthen what apeiron pasted will work01:23
+MrHairgreaseparse::recdescent is not reeally suited for parsing argument lists01:23
+MrHairgreaseok01:23
+MrHairgreasethen I must've been screwing up01:23
@preactionit was about 1000x faster when doing nested macros, but i tested against the original (current) algorithm01:23
+MrHairgreaseI'll try some more01:23
@preactionagainst normal macros, however, it was considerably slower01:24
+MrHairgreasewhat was?01:24
@preactiona PRD gramma01:24
@preactiongrammer01:24
@preactionwhatever that word is...01:24
+MrHairgreaseI'm just messing around01:24
+MrHairgreaseI have no idea if it'll be faster01:25
@preactionyou're writing a PRD grammar? it's fun and educational, there are some powerful things you can do with them ;)01:25
+MrHairgreaseI'm just trying to implement the webgui macro parser in parse::recdescent01:26
+MrHairgreaseit's a top down parser thingy01:26
+MrHairgreaseif I understod correctly01:26
@preactionyeah, i wrote one back when someone (i think you) posted a particularly nasty bit of code that basically DoSed WebGUI because of the macro parser01:27
+MrHairgreaseyeah01:27
+MrHairgreasethat was i01:27
+MrHairgreaseI found the bug when making the acme presentation01:27
@preactionit was fun to do, but i understand that Haarg came up with a more efficient regex, and I think someone else came up with one too01:28
+MrHairgreaseso I guess the acme stuff is good for something after all01:28
@preactionindeed01:28
+MrHairgreaseas I said01:28
@preactionbut if P::RD ever becomes more efficient like the docs say it can/should, you never know01:28
+MrHairgreaseI'm only doing this b/c it's possible01:28
@preactioni know, it's fun to learn01:28
@preactiondon't tell JT that i learned HTML::Mason in my spare time a few weeks back ;)01:29
@rizenyou told me that yourself moron01:29
@preactionruined the joke...01:29
@rizenthere's no joke, it's just sad01:29
@preactionno sense of comedy...01:29
@preactiongotta learn how the competition does things01:30
+MrHairgreasemason is some sort of a include perl in html thing right?01:31
@rizenin that case teach yourself ruby on rails or Zope01:31
@rizenthat's the competition01:31
@preactionit's kinda like embperl, yes01:31
@rizennot mason01:31
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@preactionyou mean, use something OTHER than Perl for web development?01:31
SDuensinGood evening.01:31
@preactionthat just sounds so wrong01:32
@rizeni'm saying if you want to learn about the competion01:32
@rizencompetition01:32
@rizeni'm not suggesting that you should actually use it01:32
* MrHairgrease cancels his RoR download01:32
@preactionzope is python, no?01:33
@rizenyup01:33
@rizenpreaction: i think we should assign apeiron a topic to talk about at the wuc, what do you think?01:36
+MrHairgreaseapeiron is a new PB employee?01:36
@preactionthe more the merrier01:36
@apeironMrHairgrease, Indeed.01:36
@preactionNOW somebody tells me...01:36
@khennI think he should take over your workflow class, rizen01:36
@rizeni think his topic should be converting plone, mambo, and typo3 data to WebGUI01:37
@khennew01:37
* SDuensin votes for Drupal01:37
SDuensin:-P01:37
* apeiron says goodbye to sleep for the rest of the week.01:38
@rizenSD, sorry to say that apeiron is just learning webgui himself this week, so it isn't going to happen01:38
@rizeni just wanted to give him a quick heart attack01:38
SDuensin:-)01:39
+MrHairgreaserizen must be nominated Employer of the Year without doubt01:40
@preactionhe's like a second father01:40
+MrHairgreasethe second father you never had =)01:41
@rizena drunk abusive father01:41
SDuensinhehe01:41
@apeiron"Time to learn to swim, son." [father tosses son into river]01:41
@preactionapparently God didn't think my first one screwed me up enough :p01:41
@preaction"Don't be a wussy!"01:42
@rizen"Stop sucking."01:43
@rizeni've never been accused of being a mentor01:45
+MrHairgreasedid you say mental?01:45
@rizennope, mentor01:45
@apeironI think all Perl programmers have a prereq of 'mental'. :)01:45
@rizeni've definitely been accused of being mental01:46
+MrHairgreasemine are laziness, impatience and hubris01:46
+MrHairgreasebut I consider those virtues01:46
@rizenmy least favorite thing about preparing for the wuc is burning all the cds with all the presentations on them01:53
+MrHairgreaseso hire extra poeple01:54
@rizenfor an hour?01:54
@rizento burn cds?01:54
@rizenyeah, that would work01:54
@rizenmartin, could I hire you for $100,000 per year01:55
@rizenexcept, that i'm only going to keep you on staff for an afternoon01:55
+MrHairgreaseI'll give you $100 if I break 5 eggs on your head01:56
@rizenthen you break only 4 on my head01:56
@rizenand you don't have to pay me $10001:56
+MrHairgreasesame kind of deal01:56
@rizenthe best trick is this one01:57
@rizenyou see someone order an expensive drink in a bar01:57
@rizenthen you go up to them01:57
+MrHairgreaseyeah 01:57
+MrHairgreasei know that one too01:57
@rizenand say i bet you a buck i can drink that drink without touching the glass01:58
@rizenhehe01:58
+MrHairgreaseoh01:58
+MrHairgreasemy01:58
+MrHairgreasea dollar a drink01:58
+MrHairgreasehehe01:58
@rizeni officially need a new computer02:00
@rizenmine is so slow it won't run my keynote presentation without skipping about 50% of the frames02:01
@rizenapeiron, i'm taking your computer...you can have my old crappy one02:02
@rizen=)02:02
@apeiron:(02:02
@apeironAh, well, 's better than nothing, I suppose, eh?02:02
@rizeni'm just kidding02:03
* apeiron nods, knows.02:03
@rizeni'll buy my own, but i probably will borrow your new laptop to run my presentation02:03
@apeironhmm. Whose shall I swipe, then?02:03
@rizenit's only for an hour02:04
@rizenyou can do without for an hour02:04
@apeironWas planning on bringing a paper notebook either way.02:04
@rizeni don't think anyone takes notes during my keynote02:04
@rizenit's more like a pep rally02:05
@apeironAhh.02:05
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+MrHairgreasehttp://www.justsayhi.com/bb/keyboard02:22
@preactioni could've swore the original 6th printing of the D&D rules (1976) didn't have holes for a three-ring binder in them... charging highway robbery...02:28
@rizen1,796,000 germs02:30
+MrHairgreaseI have 2.1 million02:30
@rizenyou are a dirty girl02:31
+MrHairgreasedoes that please you?02:31
@rizenhells yes02:31
@rizenbtw...do you want your prize money in a crisp clean check02:32
@rizenor cold hard cash02:32
+MrHairgreasecold  hard cash02:32
+MrHairgreasethe idea is that I spend most of it when I'm in the us02:33
@rizeni figured02:33
+MrHairgreasedollars not worth a lot in euros02:33
@rizenbut now that i know your preference, i'll be sure to do the opposite02:33
@rizenyeah yeah02:33
@rizeni hate our fucking government02:33
@rizenthe dollar used to be the second strongest currency in the world02:34
@rizenamazing what 6 years or so can do02:34
+MrHairgreaseit is02:34
+MrHairgreasethe us used to be expensive when we still had guilders02:34
+MrHairgreasebut i'm not complaining02:34
@rizeni bet02:34
+MrHairgreasepeople who export to th eis do02:35
+MrHairgreasethe us*02:35
+MrHairgreasequite understandably02:35
+MrHairgreaseanyway02:38
+MrHairgreasei'm gonna sleep02:38
+MrHairgreasebye02:38
@rizenlater02:38
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@preaction2.3 million? how did i beat you two?02:38
@apeironpreaction, You're a disgusting pig.02:39
@preactionb-b-b-but i had all those operations...02:40
@rizenapeiron,02:41 <+snapcount> damn, I'm a farking hobo02:40
+snapcount4,040,00002:41
@apeiron!02:41
* snapcount runs to the shower, laptop in hand02:42
+snapcountI think it was the "being around sick people" that did me in02:42
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@preactionjust be sure to unplug it, battery won't kill you, make you stronger02:42
+snapcountlol02:42
+snapcount4,044,600 it was actually02:43
+snapcount809 toilet seats... oh yeah02:43
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+Radix_2,561,580 germs07:36
@rizenhow long would it take a grasshopper with a wooden leg to kick all of the seeds out of a dill pickle07:37
@rizenthat's pretty germy07:39
+Radix_it didn't ask me how old the keyboard was though07:46
@rizenshould that matter?07:47
@rizenisn't it more a matter of how often you clean it07:47
@rizenthan how old it is07:47
+Radix_Ahh.. but if you never clean it..07:48
@rizenthat i suppose is true07:49
@rizenbut are there people that never clean their keyboard, ever?07:49
* Radix_ whistles innocently.07:49
@rizeni admittedly only clean mine once or twice per year, but .....holy crap07:50
@rizenyou've got to be kidding me07:50
@rizenreally? never?07:50
+Radix_I wipe mine with a tissue occasionally to clean the dust off it07:50
+Radix_I actually just bought a new one to replace this thing as it's so old and is starting to look grimy.07:50
@preactiononce in a while i'll take my glasses cleaner (ammonia-free) and wipe down the buttons a bit. but it's rarely powered-off long enough to clean07:51
+Radix_same07:51
@rizenwhen i clean mine i either use alcohol or clorox bleach and q-tips07:51
+Radix_in that mine is rarely powered off long enough to clean07:51
@preactioni've had to toss a couple old ones in the sink with some soap before, but can't really do that with the lappy07:52
@rizenyou can toss your laptop into the sink if you want07:53
@rizenbut i won't be buying you a new one07:53
@rizen=)07:53
@preactionnot for another two years at least07:53
@rizenthe woods are lovely dark and deep07:55
+Radix_I don't use the keyboard on my lappy.. I use a usb one with the laptop raised up07:55
@preactioni seen one of thems once, they work nice?07:56
+Radix_I don't think of them as germs so much as allies in the case of alien attack.07:57
+Radix_work great07:57
+Radix_I have a usb keyboard and mouse.. and the elevated laptop means that the screen is at the proper height07:58
@rizenoh yeah, well i have a street07:58
@rizenso take that07:58
+Radix_?07:58
@rizenfor the past 2 months i have not had a street07:58
@rizenit's been under construction07:58
@preactionthey finished the thing in two days?07:58
+Radix_heh07:58
@rizennot two days07:59
@rizen2 months07:59
+Radix_Always handy if you want to leave your house I guess07:59
@rizenthey paved it in 2 days07:59
@preactionthey started paving yesterday, it took them like 2 days to rip it up, 2 days to pave, and 56 days of sitting on rump07:59
@rizenbut they should have been able to do that in one day07:59
@rizentechnically i suppose it's not done, cuz they still have the roadblock signs up08:00
@rizenbut i can't imagine what else they have to do08:00
@rizenit looks finished to me08:00
@preactionsit on rump for another 56 days?08:00
@preactiongotta get paid somehow08:00
@rizenif they aren't gone tomorrow, i'm throwing them down08:00
@preactionJT: Civic Hero!08:00
@rizenyou don't realize how much you need a street until you don't have one for a couple of months08:01
@preactioni would pay to see you in a Superman costume in front of a gently-waving american flag08:01
@preactionor even a big wG on your chest08:01
@preactionwith a cape08:01
+Radix_lol08:01
@rizenum, yeah. that's never going to happen08:01
@preactionso i'd be paying with my life i take it?08:02
@rizendidn't you watch the incredibles? capes are out08:02
+Radix_I'll leave you two in peace with that image I think08:02
@preactionoh, snap. no cape then08:02
@rizenr u going somewhere radix?08:02
+Radix_not really no08:03
+Radix_sick as a dog atm08:03
@rizenwe're all very upset that you won't be at the wuc this year08:03
+Radix_I'm sure.. heh08:03
@preactionextremely... upset...08:03
+Radix_not far away now I guess is it08:04
@preaction5 days08:04
@preaction8 hours08:04
@preaction26 minutes08:04
@preactionapproximately08:04
@preactionperlbot math 5 * 24 + 8)08:05
perlbotBad Expression: syntax error08:05
+Radix_drop the )08:05
@preactionperlbot math (5 * 24 + 8) * 60 + 2608:05
perlbot770608:05
@preactionminutes! that's like forever08:05
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AMH_mariHi all. Has anyone tried to upgrade the YUI-library that WebGUI uses to the latest version (2.3.1)? We would like to use the ColorPicker in the new version but are a bit worried that WebGUI's functionality is affected because of the upgrade. Any thoughts anyone? There do not seem to be a lot of changes between the versions and at first sight WebGUI (7.4.8) is functioning normally. Are there problems to expect? What to check to verify WebGUI's f11:50
+MrHairgreaseI once copied a newer yui over the one delivered with webgui11:52
+MrHairgreasethat worked11:52
+MrHairgreasedunno which version it was anymore11:52
+MrHairgreaseyour best bet is to try it out on a dev system first11:52
+MrHairgreaseand check the yui docs if 2.3.1 is a drop in replacement for the yui that comes with wegui11:53
AMH_mari2.3.1 appears to work but I will check it further on a dev system first. Thanks.11:56
+MrHairgreaseok11:56
+MrHairgreasegood luck11:56
+MrHairgreaseplease let me know how it works out11:56
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@rizenthe things to check are:16:34
@rizenadmin bar16:34
@rizenresizable text areas16:34
@rizensite setup wizard16:35
@khennwho are you talking to?16:35
@rizentool tips16:35
@rizenAMH_mari16:35
@rizentool tips = hover help16:35
+MrHairgreaseI have this friggin problem haunting me all day16:39
+MrHairgreasewhat I want to do is this16:39
+MrHairgreaseExtend WG::A::Post with some stuff16:39
+MrHairgreasethat will be called WG::A::Post::Slave16:39
+MrHairgreasethat is easy of course16:40
+MrHairgreasethe problem is however16:40
@khennI think I know the punchline16:40
@khenn=)16:40
+MrHairgreasethat Threads of that type should use base WG::A::Post::Slave16:40
+MrHairgreaseCall such a thread WG::A::Post::Slave::Thread16:40
+MrHairgreasebut how do I get the methods of WG::A::P::Thread into that class?16:41
+MrHairgreaseI cannot inherit directly16:41
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@khennthe only way to do it is to customize all the way through16:42
+MrHairgreasesince use base 'WG::A::P::Thread' would inherit from WG::A::P16:42
@khennDoug made some fizes16:42
@khennfixes16:42
+MrHairgreasenot my new post16:42
@khenntot he class16:42
+MrHairgreaseIf it would only export all its crap i think i would work16:42
+MrHairgreasewhat fixes?16:42
+MrHairgreaseare they in svn?16:42
@khennI'd have to ask16:43
@khennwe did this for a client earlier this year16:43
@khennI think the way he did it was:16:43
+MrHairgreaseRight now I'm trying out mixin16:43
SDuensinGreetings.16:43
@khennWG::A::Wobject::CustomCollab16:43
@khennWG::A::Post::CustomThread16:43
@khennWG::A::CustomPost16:43
+MrHairgreaseyeah16:44
@khennand you have to change the ref points16:44
+MrHairgreasethat's what i do too16:44
@khennoh, then I misunderstood the issue16:44
+MrHairgreasebut how do I get the vanilla thread methods into my new thread16:44
+MrHairgreasewithout copying all the code16:44
@khennoh16:45
@khennyou could use the isa method off the object16:45
@khennisa(WG::A:Post::Thread16:45
+MrHairgreasethat doesn't work16:46
+MrHairgreasebecause it'll bypass my custom post16:46
+MrHairgreasephone16:46
+MrHairgreasebrb16:46
@khennthen isa(WG::A::Post)16:46
@khennsince thread inherits from that16:46
+MrHairgreasewhen I make the new thread isa(WG::A::Thread) defintion will do this16:49
+MrHairgreasedef(wg::a::p::slave::thread) -> def(wg::a::p::thread) -> def(wg::a::post)16:50
+MrHairgreasebut I want def(wg::a::p::slave::thread) -> def(wg::a::p::thread) -> def(wg::a::p::slave) -> def(wg::a::post)16:51
@rizenMrHairgrease, as far as I know it is not possible to do inheritance in the way you're looking to do it16:51
@rizento make this work you have to do it this way16:51
@khennyeah16:51
@khennyou are not doing the inheritance right16:52
@rizen1) subclass WebGUI::Asset::Post16:52
@rizenas WebGUI::Asset::Post:NewPost16:52
AMH_mari@Rizen: thanks, will check the items from your list specifically.16:52
@rizen2) subclass WebGUI::Asset::Post::Thread as WebGUI::Asset::Post::Thread::NewThread16:52
@rizen3) Create a mixin class outside of both subclasses16:52
@rizenfor shared methods16:52
@rizenand bring them into your subclasses16:53
@rizeni know that sucks, but i know of no other way to do what you want to do16:53
+MrHairgreaseok16:53
+MrHairgreaseso use mixin is the way to go16:54
@rizenand it's very important that your new subclasses include W:A:P and W:A:P:T in their namespace16:54
@rizenif they don't, inheritance won't work correctly16:54
+MrHairgreaseok16:55
@rizenactually, that's true of all assets that you subclass16:55
+MrHairgreaseso W:A:P:Slave and W:A:P:T:Slave16:55
@rizenyup16:55
+MrHairgreaseand repectively ISA W:A:P and ISA W:A:P:T?16:57
+MrHairgreaseman this is some confusing crap16:57
@rizenit gets confusing after a while17:02
@rizenit's not so bad on a single asset17:03
@rizenbut when you have a composite asset like the CS17:03
@rizenthat is made up of multiple assets17:03
@rizenthen you get into some real confusing shit17:03
@rizen=)17:03
+MrHairgreasetell me about it17:03
@rizenhmmm.17:03
@rizenthat would make a great talk at the wuc17:04
@rizenthe difference between assets, meta assets, and composite assets17:04
+MrHairgreaseyeah, in a way that you shwo me =)17:04
@rizenand the inheritance issues with each17:04
@rizeni might have to do that for next year17:05
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+MrHairgreaseok17:24
+MrHairgreaseyou may call me dumb now17:24
+MrHairgreasei still don't get it to work17:24
+MrHairgreasewhat's supposed to be in that mixin class?17:24
@rizenyou have to use a mixin utility class17:26
@rizenlike NEXT17:26
@rizenSee RSSCapable17:26
+MrHairgreaseok17:26
@rizenW:A:RSSCapable17:26
+MrHairgreasei was trying to get mixin to work17:27
+MrHairgreasehttp://search.cpan.org/~mschwern/mixin-0.06/lib/mixin.pm17:27
+MrHairgreasebut i'll try next17:27
+MrHairgreasethanks17:27
@rizenmixin might work, never tried that one17:27
+MrHairgreasei'll try the paved roads first17:27
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@khennunix help:  what is the command to see the size of a folder recursively?17:46
+MrHairgreasedu -Sh17:47
@khennnope17:47
@khenndu:  illegal option -- S17:47
+MrHairgreasehuh17:47
+MrHairgreasemoment17:48
@khennmust be -s17:48
+MrHairgrease-S works for me17:48
@khennyeah -s17:48
@khennthanks17:48
+MrHairgreaseyeah you should -s17:48
+MrHairgreasestill -S works for me too17:48
+MrHairgreaseoh17:49
+MrHairgrease-S will give a wrong result anyway17:49
+MrHairgreaseso don't bother=)17:49
@apeironLooks like -S is GNU, whereas a Mac is probably running BSD du.17:56
+MrHairgreaseah well17:56
+MrHairgrease-s was the right one anyway17:56
* MrHairgrease is putting th etread thing on the shelf for today17:58
+MrHairgreaseI have wre 0.8.0 for ubuntu 7.04 btw18:01
+MrHairgreasedo you want me to upload it somewhere?18:01
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@rizenupload.sf.net/incoming18:04
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+MrHairgreasejust drop it in that dir?18:05
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+MrHairgreaseok18:09
+MrHairgreaseit's up18:09
@rizenit's on sf now18:12
+MrHairgreaseok18:13
@rizenhow did the build process go for you? was it smooth as silk?18:13
+MrHairgreaseyes18:32
+MrHairgreaseI did ./build.sh18:32
+MrHairgreaseforgot about it18:33
+MrHairgreaseand when I remembered and checked it was finised18:33
+MrHairgreasenice work18:33
@rizenawesome. that's what was intended18:33
+MrHairgreasebut i gotta go18:33
@rizenlater18:33
+MrHairgreasediner and stuff18:33
+MrHairgreaseand beer18:33
+MrHairgreaseI can use that afterthis unfruitful day18:34
* MrHairgrease is gonna mixin some beer18:34
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+snapcountnot sure if you guys saw this yet: http://xkcd.com/327/18:41
+snapcountlolz18:41
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ckotilyah, thats a good one.20:59
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FireZillahi21:19
FireZillaI have a question. I hope you can help me21:20
snapcount_not until we know what the question is =)21:21
FireZillaI read on the wiki, that Modperl port should not be available from outside of the machine.21:22
@rizenand maybe not even them. some of us (like me) are dumber than others of us (like snapcount)21:22
FireZillaCan you explain why21:22
snapcount_rizen: lol21:23
snapcount_it's because the only thing that needs to talk to that instance is modproxy21:23
FireZillaok, so I just have to block that port with iptables ?21:25
snapcount_or your firewall or even an allow from directive in the apache conf21:25
snapcount_pick your poison21:25
@Haargor change it to only listen on 127.0.0.121:25
snapcount_indeed21:25
@rizenthat only works if your dns is mapped to 127.0.0.1 or you have only one webgui site21:26
FireZillaok. Thanks al lot21:31
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@rizenmartin's genius sometimes astounds me22:01
@preactionhis presentation?22:06
@rizenno, i'm fixing some graphing bugs22:06
@rizenand the graphing system does a bunch of stuff that i had no idea it was capable of22:07
@rizeni have to come up with some cool asset to build that can take advantage of this stuff22:07
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cryolaiAnyone around? I got a question about about WebGUI committing...22:23
@preactionperlbot ask22:24
perlbotAsk forth your question to the all-knowing channel and we shall bestow upon you the answer of correctitude.22:24
@preactionperlbot relearn ask as Don't ask to ask, just ask.22:24
perlbotrelearned entry for ask22:24
cryolaiWhenever I commit something, it doesn't actually commit. It goes into the "Pending versions" and never shows up...22:25
cryolaiThen, a lock shows up on the article or page i just edited, and I have to go back and delete the revisions I just made and the process repeats itself22:26
cryolai...Am I doing something wrong?22:26
@preactionis spectre running?22:26
cryolaiI don't know what that is.22:26
@preactionwhich explains that22:26
@preactionrunning under the WRE?22:27
cryolaiEh...?22:27
@preactionare you running the WRE?22:27
cryolaiI don't know what that is, either...22:27
@preactionso no22:28
@preactioncd /data/WebGUI/sbin; perl spectre.pl --daemon22:28
cryolaiHmm?22:30
@preactionspectre.pl is located in WebGUI's sbin directory. it is a daemon that must be run with WebGUI22:31
cryolaiWe have hosting, though.22:35
@preactionwith whom?22:36
@preactionask them for support22:36
cryolaiPlainblack, alright.22:36
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elninohello. How do I give a user the ability to use the redirect asset?07:33
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wgGuest54Can anyone tell me if you need root access or access to system files in order to install webgui?10:11
AMH_bobyes, you do (or superuser rights)10:20
wgGuest54Thanks for that.10:20
wgGuest54researching for a customer. Is it just for the /data dire? That's all I see in the wiki10:20
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SDuensinGreetings.15:56
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@apeironHmm?16:54
@rizendeciding whether or not you're cool enough to be op'd16:55
@apeironOh.16:55
@apeironWell, uh..16:55
@apeironI would say not right now, 'cause my Ipv6 tunnel is giving me trouble.16:55
@rizenthe fact that you have an ipv6 tunnel makes you a geek16:56
@rizenbut geeks are cool16:56
@rizenso unless you have some other uncool things about you16:56
@rizeni guess you can keep ops16:56
@apeironphew. Glad to hear that. :)16:56
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cap10morgan_Is anyone loading any RSS feeds from del.icio.us into a syndicated content wobject?17:54
cap10morgan_It doesn't seem to grab the descriptions17:54
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@khennmy initial thought would be malformed RSS.  Have you looked at the feed?17:55
cap10morganyeah17:55
cap10morganit looks basically ok to me17:55
cap10morgani compared it to slashdot's, which does grab the descriptions17:56
@khennThe structures are the same?17:57
cap10morganyeah17:58
cap10morgani can't see any difference17:58
@khennhow about funky characters?17:58
cap10morganhmm... don't see any. some url-escaped stuff in the url's is the closest thing (but you'd expect that)17:58
cap10morganthere are xml entities in there like &#x26;17:59
cap10morganbut those are in the links, and they show up fine17:59
@khennthose are the only two things I can think of that would screw up the RSS feed18:00
cap10morganhmm, very weird18:03
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knowmadHi folks. I'm trying to remember the function that I saw once which can look for a string in an array. Does anyone know the name of that function and what module it's in?18:30
knowmadlooks like the Bug reporting is down on webgui.org....18:33
knowmadFWIW, I'm not encouraged to send an email to noreply@plainblack.com :)18:34
knowmadFound it -- Utility.pm -- sub isIn18:41
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@rizenwhat do you mean bug reporting is down?19:05
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knowmadhi rizen. I was getting an error message when i visited the bugs url19:52
@rizenyou're not now though right?19:53
@rizeni think i fixed it19:53
knowmadlet me check it19:53
knowmadlooks good now19:54
@rizeni forgot to clear the userSessionScratch in the upgrade that i applied yesterday19:54
@rizenso i'll have to put out a new release today that has that fix in it19:54
knowmadAhh, ok.19:54
knowmadrizen: when are you going to branch to 7.5?20:08
@rizenwhen you least expect it20:09
@rizenhehe20:09
knowmadlast week?20:09
@rizenno, that's when you expected it20:09
knowmadhaha. so true!20:09
@rizenyou're thinking that it should be any day now20:09
@rizenso i'm going to have to wait until january20:09
@rizenit was going be be branched today20:10
knowmadwe're kinda hoping. diona has some edits to add that she's almost forgotten20:10
@rizenbut now i have to put out a new release20:10
@rizenso it may be tomorrow20:10
@rizenbut it will be today or tomorrow for sure20:10
knowmadok, we'll try to hold onto those neurons for a couple more days.20:10
@rizenas you might imagine, there's a lot going on right now for us20:10
knowmadyes, i can imagine. 20:10
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cap10morgan_since wre 0.8 requires webgui 7.4, how do you upgrade a 0.7.2 / 7.3.22 site to 0.8 / 7.4?23:37
+snapcountI believe there is a wiki article on how to migrate23:38
+snapcountlemme look23:38
+snapcounthttp://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/migration-to-wre-0.823:39
cap10morgan_cool, thanks23:39
+snapcountI think you need to upgrade webgui first23:39
+snapcountthen migrate to latest wre23:40
+snapcountbut I haven't tried either yet so I may be wrong23:40
@rizenYou can upgrade to 7.4 with either 0.7 or 0.823:41
@rizenyou just can't run 7.3 on 0.823:41
@rizenbut you can use 0.8 to upgrade it23:41
+snapcountoh... good to know23:41
@rizenor you can upgrade to 7.4 on 0.723:41
+snapcountthanks dude23:41
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+snapcounthmm04:47
+snapcountis there a macro that can pull user scratch variables04:47
+snapcountI think there was one at some point04:48
+snapcountwell, grep says the answer is no so I guess I'll write it04:50
+snapcountok, I wrote the macro but I'm at an impass05:04
+snapcountdo you think I should allow the user to specify the level of filtering done on the value returned?05:04
+snapcountor just filter all always05:04
+snapcount(this is going to be contributed btw)05:04
+snapcountI don't want people to accidentally open themselves to XSS vulnerabilities and other crap05:05
+snapcountwell, I don't suppose scratch vars were ever intended to hold url encoded html and/or js so I'll just filter it always05:10
@rizenyeah, generally scratch variables hold simple strings or json05:58
@rizenso it's safe to filter HTML05:58
@rizenand smart05:59
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+snapcountcool06:13
+snapcountadded to contribs06:13
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AMH_mari@MrHairGrease - about replacing WebGUI 7.4.8's YUI-library 2.2.2 with version 2.3.1: preliminary results are that this does not affect WebGUI's functioning, which is good because now we can use 2.3.1's ColorPicker.13:25
+MrHairgreaseok13:47
+MrHairgreasecool13:47
+MrHairgreasethought so already13:47
+MrHairgreasebut it's nice to know for sure13:47
@preactionFYI: Vienna is a truly awesome FOSS RSS reader for OSX13:51
@preactioncan I have any more acronyms in there?13:51
+MrHairgreaseBTW13:54
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+MrHairgreasei remember somebody passing on a link about recognizing which linux distro you're running on15:55
+MrHairgreaseeither here or on the dev list15:55
+MrHairgreasebut i cannot fiond it anymore15:55
+MrHairgreaseanybody still knows?15:56
AMH_henryhttp://search.cpan.org/~kerberus/Linux-Distribution-0.14/lib/Linux/Distribution.pm15:56
+MrHairgreaseoh yeah15:57
+MrHairgrease't was a perl module15:57
+MrHairgreasethanks15:57
AMH_henryyw15:57
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SDuensinGreetings.16:10
+MrHairgreasewelcome mr. duensin16:10
+MrHairgreaserizen16:49
+MrHairgreasecurrently i'm trying to migriate a buch of site from wre 072 to 80816:49
@rizenmartin16:49
+MrHairgrease08016:49
@rizencool16:49
+MrHairgreaseam i supposed to access the wreconsole by makin a ssh tunnel?16:50
+MrHairgreaseit's on a remote box16:50
@rizenor with lynx16:51
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+MrHairgreaseok16:51
@rizenor by opening a port in the firewall16:51
+MrHairgreasewhat firewall?16:51
@rizenwell if there's no firewall, then you should be able to just start it up16:51
+MrHairgreaseis wreconsole only listening to localhost?16:51
@rizenand use it directly16:51
@rizenno16:52
@rizenit binds to all ips16:52
+MrHairgreasehmm16:52
+MrHairgreasestarnge16:52
+MrHairgreaseb/c it won't respond when i try to connect to it directly16:52
+MrHairgreaseoh wait16:52
+MrHairgreasemaybe it is a firewall after all16:53
+MrHairgreasemoment16:53
+MrHairgreaseis the hostname important?16:54
+MrHairgreaseso if it says connect to me via foobar:6083416:54
@rizennope16:54
+MrHairgreaseok16:54
@rizenonly the port is relevant16:54
+MrHairgreasei'll investigate further16:55
+MrHairgreaseit works via a ssh tunnel16:55
+MrHairgreasebut16:55
+MrHairgreasesomehow everything is completely unstyled16:55
+MrHairgreaseas if the css is not coming through16:55
@rizenwierd16:55
+MrHairgreaseyeah16:55
@rizendid the css file get copied into /data/wre/var16:55
@rizenperhaps you have a permissions problem16:56
+MrHairgreasei'll check16:56
+MrHairgreaseoh yeah16:56
+MrHairgreasethat could be it16:56
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@rizensteveo, you were great in jackass16:56
@rizeni think in jackass 3 you should light your balls on fire16:57
@rizenjust kidding sno16:57
@rizenAMH_bob...i hear you're coming to the WUC16:57
+MrHairgreasehmm16:59
AMH_bobHHHHH16:59
+MrHairgreasestil no workie16:59
+MrHairgreasein the html it says16:59
AMH_bobI just haven't told my wife yet!16:59
+MrHairgrease<link rel="stylesheet" href="/css" type="text/css"     />16:59
AMH_bobeh, I mean: asked my wife yet!17:00
+MrHairgreaseis that what it should say?17:00
@rizenhehe17:00
@rizenholy last minute travel plans 17:00
@rizenthat plane ticket has to cost you 1500 euros17:00
@rizenor more17:00
@rizenor rather, AMH, not you17:00
AMH_bobor a lot less hehehehe17:00
@rizenyes17:01
@rizenyes mhg17:01
@rizenthe console web server translates /css into the file in the var folder17:01
+MrHairgreasebut going to http://localhost:60834/css17:01
+MrHairgreasegives a 40417:01
@rizendo you have a file in /data/wre/var?17:02
+MrHairgreasethat port i tunneled btw17:02
@rizenwreconsole.css17:02
AMH_bobAMH_henry says: 1075 for two round trip tickets17:02
+MrHairgreasethat's in /data/wre/var/setupfiles17:02
+MrHairgreasemaybe it is b/c i'm migrating17:03
+MrHairgreaseand it sees the siteconfs in webgui/etc17:03
+MrHairgreaseso setup is skipped17:03
+MrHairgreasewhen first starting the wreconsole17:03
+MrHairgreaseyeah17:05
+MrHairgreasemanually copying it to wre/var works17:06
@rizenyou still have to run setup though17:07
+MrHairgreasehow do i do that?17:07
@rizenyou're supposed to go to http://localhost;60834/setup17:07
+MrHairgreaseit's not in the migration wiki =)17:07
@rizenit says that right in the install.txt17:07
+MrHairgreaseoh right17:08
+MrHairgreasemy bad17:08
@rizenno, the migration wiki says to follow the install instructions17:08
+MrHairgreaseyeah17:08
+MrHairgreaseit's friday here too17:08
@rizenhehe17:08
+MrHairgreaseok17:09
+MrHairgreaseyou may belittle me for a couple of minutes at the wuc =)17:09
+Radix_just a couple of minutes?17:10
+Radix_he'd do that normally I'm sure :)17:10
+MrHairgreasehehe17:11
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@rizenmhg, i would never belittle you17:15
@rizenwell except that one year at the wuc where i said you sound the same whether your mouth is full or not17:16
@rizenbut that was more endearingly funny17:16
@rizenand i wouldn't say that again17:16
@rizenit's been done17:16
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@rizenbesides, i owe you a whole lot of beer money for your WCC winnings17:17
@rizenhow can i give you a wad of cash and then belittle you17:17
@rizenit just wouldn't be right17:17
@rizenMrHairgrease: so now that you're following the install instructions, how have the migration instructions been17:19
@rizeni wrote them after migrating one of my own servers17:20
@rizenso i hope they are complete17:20
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+MrHairgreasebye guys17:59
+MrHairgreasewe are there ready with17:59
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AMH_bob@rizen: The word is out, I'm comming to the WUC!21:18
@rizensweet21:18
AMH_bobdude21:18
@rizenand the wife isn't killing you or anything21:18
AMH_bobnope, she would rather have me here, but she just loves me too much!21:19
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SDuensinrizen!  Quit working so hard and play with the new ZKD update I pushed today.  New demo and all.  :-)22:51
knowmadWhat's ZKD?23:19
+snapcountZore King of Destruction23:21
+snapcountZebras Kick Donkeys23:21
+snapcountzOMG Kittens Dancing23:21
+snapcountok I'm out of guesses23:21
@rizenzk desktop23:22
@rizenwhich uses the zk ajax/java framework23:22
@rizento build a web based desktop23:22
+snapcountnice... I've seen some of the stuff YUI can do as far as making desktop like interfaces23:27
+snapcountI'll have to check zk out23:27
knowmadZKD looks like Meebo23:35
knowmadwonder if it's built on zkd...23:36
@rizenSD, the WUC is next week23:38
@rizenyou really can't think i'm going to take a break now23:38
@rizen=)23:38
@rizeni haven't even got 7.5 branched yet23:38
@rizenwhich knowmad...i swear will be done today23:38
knowmaddon't forget, you said that would happen today23:38
@rizenwe're just having a little trouble with the 7.4.10 release23:39
knowmadok, i'll be watching for it ;)23:39
@rizenfound a last minute bug23:39
@rizenfixing, releasing, then we'll branch23:39
knowmadthere's always something...23:39
@rizenthis one brought down plainblack.com23:39
@rizenso it's pretty serious23:39
knowmadyeah, that's pretty bad.23:39
knowmadis it safe to migrate from 7.3.13 to 7.4.9 or should i go to 7.4.8 until 7.4.10 is out?23:40
knowmadthis is for a test server23:40
knowmadbut i don't want to waste time debugging something you're about to fix23:40
@rizen7.4.10 will be out in 20 minutes23:41
@rizenjust wait23:41
nubahey guys23:44
@rizenstraw nuba23:45
* nuba resuming "normal life"23:45
@preactionnormal? sounds boring23:45
nubaheh its not everyday my grandma dies you know23:45
nubahappens only twice23:45
nubain life23:46
@rizeni have 2 or three die on me a week23:46
@rizeni name all my pet flies grandma23:46
@preactionwhat features are advertised as Coming in 7.5 (that i could use for potential adopters?)23:46
@rizennone until the speech at the wuc23:47
@preactionah, k23:47
nubaso a lot of backlog to catch up with in #webgui23:47
nubadid I miss anything? any outstanding event?23:47
@preactionthe WUC?23:47
nubanot going23:48
@preactionawww23:48
@rizenwe'll miss you23:48
@preactionwe'll let you know how it goes23:48
nubawell its been a while since the last WUC i attented, you should be used to it already23:48
nubaattended*23:49
@preactionthat just makes us miss you all the more23:49
nubai considered attending this year, but things got pretty messy here23:49
nubamaybe next year23:49
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@rizenok new version is out23:56
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@rizenbranching done00:09
@preactiondarnit, now i have another side-project to do: merge some calendar changes into the 7.5 branch. last time I died from feature creep, this time imma die from side-projects00:10
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@preactioni've noticed a weird problem with the code in assets we currently have: i don't see many assets inheriting the response from processPropertiesFromFormPost00:51
@preactionit can return an array reference of errors00:51
@rizenthat's a legacy issue00:52
@rizenthe ability to return that response was added only recently00:52
@rizen7.3 i think00:52
@rizennot saying it shouldnt' be fixed00:52
@rizenjust giving history00:53
@preactionimma fix it for File / Image / Photo, but i might not be able to rewrite the parts of File and Image that need it00:53
@preactioneh, i'll just do it. it'll be easier / faster to do it right this time00:53
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@preactionhttp://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/12/magazine/13EYEBALL.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all&position=&oref=slogin&oref=slogin <- would I get a raise if I put a wG in my eye?01:35
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SynQjo!00:01
SynQI'm alive00:01
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nubaSynQ: enjoy. it wont last forever00:10
SynQhehe00:10
nubaone of the few certain things in life00:10
SynQwhen I'm dead I won't know about it probably00:10
SynQthe only thing to hope is that others will still know who you where00:11
SynQI read you're not coming to the wuc00:12
nubatrue00:13
SynQwill you be online though?00:13
nubamaybe the next one tho00:13
nubaprobably00:13
SynQhow come?00:13
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nubahow come? no, it's "no going"00:14
nubaas in "staying local"00:15
SynQhow come you are not going to the wuc? what is the reason?00:16
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nubai took a supersized vacation at work, just returned home last week00:33
nubait wasnt meant to be so, but i had a family issue arising just after my vacation00:34
nubaif I were to attend to the wuc, I should have been making arrangements for that durint the last weeks00:35
nubashoulda, didnt00:35
+snapcountheh... watching spectre run in debug with 8 workers and 5000 pending workflows is a lot different than watching it with 301:27
+snapcountsetting maxTimeBetween... to 0 prolly helped too01:29
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