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wgGuest57 | Hi, I tried logging into my account plainblack.com/support but it told me that my permission was denied... | 00:31 |
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wgGuest57 | Can someone help me out? | 00:31 |
@preaction | this isn't really a plainblack help channel, but i can help you | 00:32 |
@preaction | what's your account name? | 00:32 |
wgGuest57 | cryogas1 | 00:33 |
@preaction | ok, give me a couple minutes to pull it up | 00:33 |
wgGuest57 | well, i tried logging in because i'm trying to set up email accounts on the plainblack server, so i figured the support page would help me out | 00:33 |
@rizen | you are not in any support group | 00:34 |
@rizen | if you believe this is an error, you need to contact info@plainblack.com | 00:35 |
wgGuest57 | Oh... | 00:38 |
wgGuest57 | Is there any chance one of you two would be able to help me setting up e-mail accounts on the plainblack server? | 00:39 |
@preaction | i don't even know how | 00:39 |
@rizen | i know how, but i have no way to verify who you are or what privileges you have, so until that is verified i can't help you | 00:40 |
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@rizen | you should be listed as a hoster | 00:40 |
@rizen | if you are | 00:40 |
@rizen | but since you're not | 00:40 |
@rizen | i can't help | 00:40 |
wgGuest57 | I can't provide any information for identification? | 00:46 |
@rizen | not to us | 00:47 |
@rizen | only to info@plainblack.com | 00:47 |
wgGuest57 | But the likelihood of getting a response before tomorrow would be pretty low, yes? | 00:47 |
@rizen | yes | 00:48 |
@rizen | that doesn't change the fact that we can't help you | 00:48 |
@rizen | we both want to help you | 00:48 |
@rizen | we can't | 00:48 |
@rizen | we don't deal with billing issues | 00:48 |
@rizen | which is what this is | 00:48 |
wgGuest57 | Well | 00:48 |
wgGuest57 | We signed up, I just seem to have forgotten the account I bought hosting with | 00:48 |
wgGuest57 | And...I tried to retrive a password in hopes of retrieving the username as well, but we just pointed the DNS elsewhere on friday, so I have no access to my email account | 00:50 |
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wgGuest68 | I'm sorry to be such a bother, would one of you be able to provide me with the numerical IP of the plainblack server? | 02:17 |
@preaction | which plainblack server? | 02:20 |
@preaction | and there are utilities on your computer that do that for you | 02:20 |
@preaction | *nix: host or dig; windows: nslookup | 02:20 |
wgGuest68 | uh, cold.plainblack.com | 02:22 |
@preaction | perlbot host cold.plainblack.com | 02:22 |
@preaction | oops | 02:23 |
@preaction | perlbot host a cold.plainblack.com | 02:23 |
perlbot | cold.plainblack.com has address 67.15.42.44 | 02:23 |
wgGuest68 | alright, I just wanted to be sure | 02:24 |
wgGuest68 | thanks | 02:24 |
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+snapcount | in retrospect... running a script that is going to add 30K assets to a site under one version tag was probably a bad idea | 07:07 |
+snapcount | spectre is not going to be happy with me | 07:08 |
@rizen | i'm not sure, but i don't think i accounted for such a version tag | 07:10 |
+snapcount | lol | 07:10 |
@rizen | i guess i should have | 07:10 |
+snapcount | no... I should probably be doing my stuff a little smarter | 07:11 |
+snapcount | there's no reason I couldn't break the commits up | 07:11 |
+snapcount | but since it's running... I guess I'll see what happens =) | 07:11 |
+snapcount | Basically, the script is pulling from an external db with states, cities, facilities in a city and detail about each facility | 07:13 |
+snapcount | and creating a page for each facility with it's city and state as parent layouts | 07:13 |
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+snapcount | moment of truth... | 07:28 |
@rizen | so what is the truth? | 07:47 |
+snapcount | holy shit | 07:47 |
+snapcount | it finished | 07:47 |
+snapcount | let me check the site and see if it still lives | 07:47 |
@rizen | nice. i guess i'm smarter than i thought | 07:47 |
+snapcount | it worked | 07:50 |
+snapcount | all the content is there, at least from random spot checks | 07:50 |
+snapcount | would take a while to verify each one =) | 07:50 |
@rizen | congratulations. you have just committed the largest version tag in history. at least that i'm aware of. | 07:51 |
+snapcount | sweet | 07:51 |
+snapcount | I'll have to make myself a t-shirt or something | 07:52 |
+snapcount | "I committed the largest version tag in WebGUI history and all I got was this stupid t-shirt" | 07:52 |
@rizen | and people would actually like that shirt if you were coming to the wuc | 07:53 |
@rizen | but i think the general public would be like "huh?" | 07:53 |
+snapcount | they're like that for most of the shirts I wear now anyway | 07:54 |
@rizen | i c | 07:54 |
+snapcount | I guess the commit didn't finish entirely | 08:03 |
+snapcount | but the tag is showing up so I just clicked commit again | 08:04 |
+snapcount | see if it gets another chunk | 08:04 |
+snapcount | I think I'm watching the "Don't tase me bro" special on COPS | 08:37 |
+snapcount | they've got like 6 people in one episode | 08:38 |
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+snapcount | cool it finished | 09:25 |
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xdanger | Shouldn't the getContentLastModified function be overwriten in Collaboration to return ~ select max(revisionDate) from assetData where asset.lineage like '".$self->getLineage."%' ? | 13:04 |
xdanger | IE is showing "old" version of a layout page that has a news-listing done with collaboration... I've even overwriten the headers to disable caching in the browser, but IE still caches them... Only the last-modified header is something that doesn't change... | 13:07 |
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AMH_mari | @xdanger:you might try flushing the WebGUI cache (accessible from admin console). | 14:14 |
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@rizen | xdanger, you're probably right, it should | 18:01 |
@rizen | submit a bug report | 18:01 |
AMH_mari | @rizen: following up last friday's discussion, this weekend took a look at the WebGUI macro parser and think I have a suggestion to improve it: instead of recursing with the whole parameter string and then separating into parameters, first separate parameters and then recurse for each parameter separately. The amended 7.4.8-final Macro.pm source can be found at: http://www.xs4all.nl/~tartarus/cabinet/Macro.pm .Did not have time to test it very | 18:05 |
@rizen | please post it as an RFE. I won't have time to review anything until after the WUC. | 18:08 |
@rizen | why would it be faster to parse each parameter separately? | 18:08 |
AMH_mari | Not faster but more robust. | 18:08 |
AMH_mari | (in handling commas and quotes in nested calls). | 18:08 |
@rizen | more robust is good, but i can't accept more robust without it being at least as fast as it is | 18:10 |
@rizen | have you performed any time trials? | 18:10 |
AMH_mari | Will post it as an RFE; forgot the time, have to go home now, regards. | 18:10 |
AMH_mari | No time trials yet, can have a look this evening. | 18:10 |
@rizen | ok | 18:10 |
@rizen | thanks | 18:11 |
AMH_mari | cu | 18:11 |
@rizen | bye | 18:11 |
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danny_mk | Hello everyone! cap10morgan, I won't be able to make the WUC so it is up to you to build up the hype on OpenId :-) | 19:14 |
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@rizen | man you really know how to kill a crowd | 19:19 |
@rizen | just kidding =) | 19:19 |
+MrHairgrease | so much for the openId hype | 19:19 |
+MrHairgrease | rizen | 19:27 |
+MrHairgrease | what is or used to be the group with gid=5 | 19:27 |
@rizen | no idea | 19:30 |
@rizen | the only ones i keep track of are 1,2,3,7,and12 | 19:30 |
@rizen | the rest are basically irrelevant | 19:30 |
+MrHairgrease | i ask because somehow in a site i'm working on | 19:31 |
+MrHairgrease | the admin group is in group 5 | 19:31 |
+MrHairgrease | which does not exist | 19:31 |
+MrHairgrease | making it impossible to add users to the admin group | 19:32 |
+MrHairgrease | on the demo site it works fine though | 19:32 |
@rizen | i have that group grouping on plainblack.com | 19:33 |
@rizen | but it doesn't seem to affect anything | 19:34 |
+MrHairgrease | can you do this: | 19:34 |
+MrHairgrease | admin console -> groups -> admin -> add users to group | 19:35 |
+MrHairgrease | manage users in group | 19:35 |
+MrHairgrease | then select some user and click safe | 19:35 |
@rizen | worked fine | 19:36 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 19:36 |
+MrHairgrease | i'm working with a half patched system here (the one on which i discovered the group->new bug) | 19:36 |
+MrHairgrease | so it could be that not everything is taken care of | 19:37 |
+MrHairgrease | i'll check the svn logs | 19:37 |
+MrHairgrease | still that grouping being there is not correct i it? | 19:37 |
@Haarg | i think i changed something in addition to your patch that would have effected that | 19:37 |
+MrHairgrease | or do you actually have a gourp with gid=5 | 19:38 |
+MrHairgrease | haarg: yes | 19:38 |
+MrHairgrease | i think so too =) | 19:38 |
@rizen | we don't have a group with an id of 5 | 19:38 |
@rizen | and yes, that orphan should be cleaned up | 19:38 |
+MrHairgrease | delete from groupGroupings where inGroup not in (select distinct groupId from groups); | 19:39 |
+MrHairgrease | that cleans it | 19:39 |
+MrHairgrease | and fixes my problem | 19:40 |
@rizen | you shouldn't even need the "distinct" clause in there | 19:41 |
+MrHairgrease | prolly not | 19:41 |
+MrHairgrease | just a habit | 19:42 |
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dj_perl | Hello preaction, where would I find some docs to get started developing an asset to connect with Photo Gallery? | 22:31 |
@preaction | uhm... an asset? i can give you a UML diagram, though currently subject to change. there's a meeting in 30 minutes with the dev team to lock down the API | 22:32 |
dj_perl | Well, where do I start developing? There has to be some documentation ( other than the UML diagram ). | 22:33 |
@rizen | dj_perl, you're going to need to set up your web services to just stand alone as dummies right now | 22:34 |
dj_perl | I'll be developing a server-side application, to which the iPhoto/Picasa plugin will talk? right? | 22:34 |
@preaction | like what? currently for documentaton we have the Functional Specification, the UML diagram, the ERD, and a workflow diagram | 22:34 |
@rizen | i've given you the data / method dictionary, the workflow diagram | 22:35 |
@rizen | i could also send you the functional spec | 22:35 |
@preaction | i don't think the funcspec would be of much use really, but the more info the better | 22:35 |
@rizen | but beyond that, there's nothing built yet. dev starts on it this week | 22:35 |
dj_perl | I was hoping for a copy of the primer. | 22:35 |
@rizen | the CM primer? | 22:35 |
@rizen | that's only for using webgui | 22:35 |
dj_perl | WebGUI primer | 22:35 |
@rizen | there's no dev docs there | 22:35 |
@rizen | the primer is for basic webgui usage | 22:36 |
@rizen | end user level stuff | 22:36 |
@preaction | your best bet for developer information is the community wiki | 22:36 |
@preaction | and the included perldoc | 22:36 |
dj_perl | ok, thanks. | 22:38 |
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+MrHairgrease | is it october 17th yet? | 23:10 |
@preaction | not yet | 23:11 |
@rizen | it needs to hurry up and get here | 23:17 |
+MrHairgrease | is it October 17 th yet? | 23:18 |
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cap10morgan | I'm probably going to be implementing a new concept into WebGUI for our requirements, but I want to see if there's some way to do it such that it would have a more generally useful application: | 02:57 |
cap10morgan | For our use, I need to be able to associate a "campaign" with every piece of content on the site | 02:57 |
@preaction | content profiling? | 02:59 |
cap10morgan | these campaigns come from an external source, and i want to label it w/ the name of the campaign but store the id of the thing | 03:04 |
cap10morgan | so i want to be able to define an external data source for it | 03:04 |
cap10morgan | and also make this property inheritable | 03:04 |
cap10morgan | so it's similar to a custom metadata field | 03:05 |
cap10morgan | but it needs the inheritance and external data source thing added in | 03:05 |
cap10morgan | the external thing could just be specifying a snippet that lists the options in some format | 03:05 |
cap10morgan | since that way you could do a web services client, an sql report, a macro, or whatever | 03:05 |
cap10morgan | preaction: content profiling == metadata, no? | 03:06 |
@preaction | yes | 03:07 |
cap10morgan | does that seem like it would be a generally useful thing? | 03:08 |
cap10morgan | or a ridiculous over-complication of metadata? | 03:08 |
@preaction | it sounds interesting, but i dont' know if it will be generally useful | 03:16 |
@preaction | i mean, most people don't even use the existing metadata / content-profiling system | 03:16 |
+snapcount | any network nerds present | 03:20 |
+snapcount | I'm rusty | 03:20 |
+snapcount | need someone to check me on something | 03:21 |
+snapcount | the subnet mask for 16 addresses would be 255.255.255.240 right? | 03:22 |
+snapcount | 2^(32-28) = 16 so 16 addresses... so the first 28 bits in the mask are 1 | 03:25 |
nuba | yeah, 16 addresses, but the first is the network's, the last is the network's broadcast | 03:29 |
+snapcount | so 14 | 03:29 |
+snapcount | usable | 03:29 |
nuba | yeah, well, youre using the other two too, in a way | 03:31 |
+snapcount | indeed | 03:31 |
+snapcount | thanks | 03:31 |
nuba | np | 03:31 |
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+MrHairgrease | hi | 16:57 |
ascii | hi | 16:57 |
@rizen | bye | 16:57 |
+MrHairgrease | does anybody know if it is possible to add a cs to an event in th ecalendar? | 16:58 |
+MrHairgrease | or at least provide a means for people to add something to that event? | 16:58 |
+MrHairgrease | like their name | 16:58 |
@rizen | can't be done currently | 16:59 |
@rizen | sounds like you want to do an evite sort of thing | 16:59 |
@rizen | is that correct? | 16:59 |
@rizen | comments and a yes/no/maybe i'm attending | 16:59 |
+MrHairgrease | what somebody at th ekoornbeurs wants is this | 16:59 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah | 16:59 |
+MrHairgrease | that | 16:59 |
+MrHairgrease | band X plays there at that time | 16:59 |
@rizen | that's on the todo list for calendar, but it doesn't exist yet | 17:00 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 17:00 |
+MrHairgrease | maybe I'm willing to make that | 17:00 |
+MrHairgrease | is there already a spec? | 17:00 |
@rizen | evite.com | 17:01 |
@rizen | that's the functional spec | 17:01 |
@rizen | we don't have a technical spec for it yet | 17:01 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 17:01 |
+MrHairgrease | we'll have a talk about it at the wuc then | 17:02 |
@rizen | okily dokily neighbor | 17:02 |
+MrHairgrease | I don't have time to spend on that before anyway | 17:02 |
+MrHairgrease | doh! | 17:02 |
@rizen | i'll buy you a beer at the great dane, and you can tell me about your problems | 17:02 |
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dionak | hey guys. i'm having a permission problem i'm trying to understand. we have a group created in WG and a sqlform that has permissions set that this group can edit, view and submit records. However, a user that isn't an admin and is part of that group is getting a blank form. no data is being populated. | 17:15 |
dionak | i checked the template but there's no tmpl_if statement around the completeForm variable that would prevent population | 17:16 |
dionak | when i search, i get data b/c i'm an admin | 17:16 |
@rizen | no idea | 17:19 |
@rizen | describe the problem as best as you can in a bug report | 17:19 |
@rizen | we're hoping to clean up 100% of the bugs wre/pb.com/webgui by the wuc | 17:19 |
+MrHairgrease | dionak | 17:20 |
dionak | ok. i'll review the code a little first to see if i can find what the issue is. | 17:20 |
+MrHairgrease | the group with edit rights should be all powerful | 17:20 |
dionak | that's what i was thinking... | 17:20 |
+MrHairgrease | the _canAlterTable and _canEditRecord in addition to canEdit and canView | 17:21 |
+MrHairgrease | are used to detrmine th eprivs | 17:21 |
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+MrHairgrease | both the private methods return true for sure if canEdit is true | 17:21 |
+MrHairgrease | did you commit the sqlform? | 17:21 |
dionak | yes. it's all committed | 17:22 |
+MrHairgrease | does flushing the cache help? | 17:22 |
dionak | let me try... | 17:22 |
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dionak | hm, no. same thing. | 17:23 |
dionak | one of those methods must be returning false for some reason. | 17:24 |
+MrHairgrease | what's going wrong | 17:25 |
+MrHairgrease | adding/editing records? | 17:25 |
+MrHairgrease | or the search? | 17:25 |
dionak | search | 17:25 |
+MrHairgrease | that should use canView | 17:25 |
dionak | the user doesn't have a reason to add/edit so we haven't tried that. | 17:25 |
+MrHairgrease | which is fully inherited | 17:25 |
+MrHairgrease | stupid question maybe | 17:25 |
+MrHairgrease | is the user in the group? | 17:26 |
dionak | yes. does the group only need permission for the sqlform in question or is there a hierarchy i'm overlooking? | 17:26 |
+MrHairgrease | just the asset | 17:27 |
+MrHairgrease | it's weird though | 17:27 |
+MrHairgrease | www_search should return the insufficient privs if canView is false | 17:27 |
+MrHairgrease | but a blank screen is smething different | 17:27 |
+MrHairgrease | nothing in the webgui.log? | 17:27 |
dionak | oh, it's just a blank form | 17:27 |
dionak | not populated with data | 17:28 |
dionak | the screen has the template and everything as expected. just no data | 17:28 |
+MrHairgrease | oh | 17:28 |
+MrHairgrease | but you can search right? | 17:28 |
dionak | i can as my user. | 17:29 |
+MrHairgrease | and you do get the right results | 17:29 |
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dionak | yes | 17:29 |
+MrHairgrease | it's just that whatever you typed in the search box disappears from that box after you've submitted the form | 17:29 |
+MrHairgrease | right? | 17:29 |
dionak | actually, it's a little more complex but i'm testing by pasting in the correct url for a record in the search results. like recordId=something;viewOnly=0 etc.. | 17:31 |
dionak | i get data and the user doesn't. let me poke around a little more.... | 17:31 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 17:31 |
dionak | thanks for chiming in and trying to help. :) | 17:32 |
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dionak | ok. i found my issue. it wasn't a WG permission issue. | 18:48 |
dionak | IE6 is dropping parameters on a meta refresh, which is why the form is blank. there's no recordId to return data form | 18:48 |
dionak | form = for | 18:48 |
@rizen | yikes | 18:49 |
dionak | yea...i'm going to create a quick test case to verify it's a "feature" and test on IE7 | 18:49 |
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dionak | hm. on IE6 it keeps the params if I change the semi-colon param separator to & | 18:55 |
dionak | can i use & instead of semi-colons in WG? | 18:55 |
+MrHairgrease | when seperating form params in a post you can either use & or ; | 18:56 |
+MrHairgrease | i think the ampersand is being deprecated | 18:56 |
dionak | i think that might make a redirect with multiple params impossible to do in IE6. | 18:57 |
dionak | i would rather not see that happen. | 18:58 |
dionak | on another note, has anyone used HTML::Template::Expr successfully? | 19:00 |
@rizen | we aren't the ones deprecating the use of & | 19:01 |
@rizen | it's the W3C | 19:01 |
dionak | oh, really? i hadn't read that. | 19:02 |
dionak | wow | 19:02 |
@rizen | WebGUI still supports both, and will continue to do so until the W3C says otherwise | 19:02 |
dionak | replacing it with what? | 19:02 |
@rizen | ; | 19:02 |
dionak | ok, cool. thanks for clarifying | 19:02 |
@rizen | HTML::Template::Expr is used by my design staff all the time | 19:02 |
@rizen | they love it | 19:02 |
dionak | cool. we're trying to set it up. | 19:03 |
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@rizen | just remember that with that all variable names that have a . are changed to use _ | 19:04 |
dionak | ah, a very important detail! :) | 19:05 |
dionak | i'm hoping IE6 will die before W3C deprecates the & | 19:08 |
dionak | or just die a very sudden death. :) | 19:08 |
@rizen | i've read that as of XHTML2 HTML5 it will be deprecated | 19:09 |
@rizen | or rather removed | 19:09 |
@rizen | it's already deprecated | 19:09 |
@rizen | however, i'm guessing that most browsers will continue to support it for a very long time after that | 19:09 |
dionak | yes, that would make sense. it would break a lot of the internet sites otherwise. I read that part of the HTML5 projects values was to not break too far from convention so as to be backwards compatible. | 19:11 |
dionak | i sometimes debate switching back to HTML4 | 19:11 |
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xootom | is anyone familiar with the dashboard? in userProfileData I have three columns, guidcontentPositions, one of which is the guid of the dashboard on my site. Are the other two old deleted dashboards, that I can drop? | 01:35 |
@preaction | the dashboard's purge method didn't remove them for you? | 01:38 |
xootom | no but they might have been there since 7.3.20 ish | 01:41 |
xootom | could they be anything else or are they definitely old dashboards | 01:41 |
xootom | anyone know where the default dashboard layout is stored, is it the guest user's value for contentPositions? | 01:45 |
xootom | i think i've hit a limit in the way contentPositions are stored, as varchar 255 characters... that only holds 11 guids, my dashboard is now randomly hiding and positioning things :( | 01:48 |
MrHairgrease | that should be a text field | 01:53 |
MrHairgrease | you should file a bug report | 01:53 |
MrHairgrease | anyway | 01:53 |
MrHairgrease | time to go to bed | 01:54 |
MrHairgrease | see ya | 01:54 |
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@preaction | yes it should be a text field, and yes, currently the Visitor profile stores the default content positions for a dashboard | 01:55 |
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xootom | many thanks | 02:09 |
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SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:55 |
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@rizen | salutations | 17:06 |
@khenn | greeting | 17:06 |
@khenn | s | 17:07 |
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@rizen | bug -- | 18:25 |
@rizen | bug-- | 19:28 |
@rizen | bug-- | 19:28 |
ascii | ! | 19:30 |
@rizen | bang? | 19:31 |
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ascii | guess that could be appropriate for $bug--, but i use it for hello mostly | 19:34 |
@rizen | i c | 19:34 |
@rizen | well hello then | 19:34 |
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+MrHairgrease | snapcount! | 21:50 |
+MrHairgrease | you're back! | 21:50 |
+snapcount | yep | 21:51 |
+snapcount | I'm revived | 21:51 |
+MrHairgrease | what happened? | 21:51 |
+snapcount | I've been traveling far away lands searching for my true self | 21:51 |
+snapcount | =) | 21:51 |
+MrHairgrease | sure | 21:51 |
khenn_ | did you find Buddah? | 21:51 |
+snapcount | lol | 21:51 |
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+snapcount | nope, not yet | 21:51 |
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+MrHairgrease | are you coming to the wuc too? | 21:52 |
+snapcount | no not this year... sold out too fast | 21:52 |
+snapcount | but that's awesome | 21:52 |
+MrHairgrease | too bad | 21:52 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah it is | 21:52 |
+snapcount | I should just fly up there and stalk the conference | 21:52 |
+snapcount | be "that guy" | 21:53 |
+snapcount | hehe | 21:53 |
+MrHairgrease | you should bring your raincoat | 21:53 |
+snapcount | I was just thinking that | 21:53 |
@Khenn | you'll be the guy in the "All your base are belong to us" shirt eh? | 21:53 |
+MrHairgrease | and a newspaper with a tiny peephole in it | 21:53 |
+MrHairgrease | hehe | 21:53 |
+snapcount | Khenn: yep | 21:53 |
+snapcount | or something even dorkier | 21:53 |
@rizen | bug -- | 21:55 |
+snapcount | nice | 21:55 |
+MrHairgrease | where can i buy those? | 21:55 |
@rizen | thinkgeek.com | 21:56 |
@Khenn | http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/gaming/3777/ | 21:56 |
@Khenn | rizen will be the one in this shirt: http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/frustrations/58f5/ | 21:57 |
+MrHairgrease | khenn | 21:57 |
+MrHairgrease | stop giving me metal pictures | 21:58 |
+MrHairgrease | mental* | 21:58 |
@Khenn | I guess it is sort of close to bedtime for you | 21:58 |
@Khenn | sweet dreams =p | 21:58 |
+MrHairgrease | no | 21:58 |
+MrHairgrease | it's only 9pm | 21:58 |
+MrHairgrease | but the idea sticks | 21:59 |
* MrHairgrease shudders | 21:59 | |
@rizen | bug -- | 22:07 |
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@rizen | bug -- | 22:21 |
@Haarg | bug-- | 22:30 |
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SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:42 |
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@rizen | bug-- | 17:50 |
SDuensin | cheer++ | 17:52 |
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@Haarg | bug-- | 17:54 |
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apeiron | Greetings! | 17:54 |
@rizen | i rescind bug-- | 17:55 |
@rizen | and replace it with | 17:55 |
@rizen | $bug--; | 17:55 |
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@rizen | $bug--; | 20:18 |
@rizen | $bug--; | 20:56 |
@rizen | $graham->decrementBugs(4); | 20:57 |
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@rizen | $bug--; | 23:26 |
@preaction | woot | 23:26 |
@rizen | look at the bug list | 23:27 |
@preaction | plan tests += 50 | 23:27 |
@rizen | almost clean | 23:27 |
@rizen | only 50? | 23:27 |
@preaction | in order to test the photo asset i need to test the file and image assets, i haven't even gotten to the gallery/album yet | 23:27 |
@rizen | oh | 23:28 |
@rizen | nice | 23:28 |
@preaction | and it'll be slow going until i figure out an easy way to test the processPropertiesFromFormPost method, i don't know if Colin perfected his apr mockobject to work with uploads | 23:29 |
@preaction | but we're almost there | 23:29 |
@preaction | wait, you fixed the collab system date thing? | 23:29 |
ckotil | I think i found a bug in how the sql report asset is handled by the nav asset. it seems to be treated like a page layout asset and an article asset at the same time. | 23:30 |
@preaction | uhm? nearly all assets can have children | 23:31 |
@preaction | there are some exceptions with assets that don't make sense outside of certain containers, like Posts, Threads, and Events | 23:31 |
ckotil | yah, it might be my custom nav template... still verifying. | 23:31 |
@preaction | admittedly the nav asset doesn't get nearly enough information about the assets, but to do so would slow down an already slow operation | 23:32 |
ckotil | right, i understand that. | 23:33 |
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danny_mk | Root cause: Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /opt/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/CalendarUpdateFeeds.pm line 357. | 05:04 |
@Haarg | been fixed | 05:05 |
@Haarg | for 7.4.9 | 05:05 |
danny_mk | ok | 05:05 |
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xootom | http://www.webgui.org/wg/contribute is broken at the mo | 19:03 |
+MrHairgrease | here too | 19:03 |
+MrHairgrease | just a blank page | 19:03 |
@rizen | i can see it | 19:04 |
@rizen | what browser are you looking in? | 19:04 |
xootom | cached? | 19:04 |
xootom | firefox 2.0.0.6 ubuntu | 19:04 |
+MrHairgrease | ff 2.0.0.6/lnux | 19:04 |
@rizen | just refreshed the page | 19:04 |
@rizen | still works | 19:05 |
@rizen | trying firefox now | 19:05 |
xootom | literally blank here | 19:05 |
+MrHairgrease | cleared my browser cache | 19:05 |
+MrHairgrease | didn't help | 19:05 |
@rizen | i get that in firefox too | 19:05 |
@rizen | i'll look into it | 19:05 |
@rizen | it works in safari | 19:06 |
@rizen | checking ie | 19:06 |
+MrHairgrease | konqueror fails too | 19:06 |
@rizen | i see the difference now | 19:07 |
@rizen | has nothing to do with browser | 19:07 |
@rizen | but whether you are logged in | 19:07 |
@rizen | or perhaps privs | 19:07 |
@rizen | on a browser where i'm not logged in i get the white page | 19:07 |
@rizen | but when i'm logged in it works | 19:07 |
xootom | yep same here | 19:07 |
+MrHairgrease | wget http://webgui.org/wg/contribute | 19:08 |
+MrHairgrease | get an empty file | 19:08 |
+MrHairgrease | logging in works for me too | 19:10 |
+MrHairgrease | but the poll is missing | 19:10 |
+MrHairgrease | maybe that has something to do with it? | 19:10 |
xootom | i guess the server logs will show the prob | 19:11 |
@rizen | on phone, will look when i can | 19:12 |
@rizen | there appears to be a problem drawing the graph | 19:27 |
@rizen | with graphics magic vs image magick | 19:27 |
@rizen | http://www.webgui.org/uploads/temp/ng/ngKG_meCXVmarTeXFYM_nw/poll_bUgyoMZc8E6irc3zZZ97Q.png | 19:27 |
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@rizen | fixed for now by switching back to text graph | 19:37 |
@rizen | reported a bug which graham and i will work on this week | 19:37 |
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@preaction | 7 days until the WUC!!!!!1111eleven | 22:52 |
@rizen | wahooO!!!!! | 22:57 |
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+MrHairgrease | even better | 23:31 |
+MrHairgrease | only 6 days till the Dutch invade! | 23:31 |
@rizen | we've already outfitted all the roads and airports with land mines and artillery | 23:32 |
+MrHairgrease | that won't help | 23:32 |
+MrHairgrease | we can walk over water =) | 23:32 |
@preaction | won't somebody please think of the children? | 23:32 |
+MrHairgrease | we walk over children too | 23:32 |
@rizen | i guess we'll need some sea mines, and robotic sentry drones | 23:33 |
@preaction | don't we have an extradition treaty with Dutchland or whatever? | 23:33 |
+MrHairgrease | I think we have unfortunately | 23:34 |
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@preaction | so you'll be on your BEST BEHAVIOR? | 23:35 |
@preaction | that's boring... | 23:35 |
@rizen | martin, i'm sick of preparing for the WUC at this point. can't you just come a week early and we'll get it kicked off? | 23:35 |
+MrHairgrease | no | 23:36 |
+MrHairgrease | I already have stuff planned for the weekend | 23:36 |
+MrHairgrease | also | 23:36 |
+MrHairgrease | a wuc of a week and a half is a bit much | 23:37 |
@khenn | If you thought it was cheap to drink in Las Vegas, wait till you go out drinking in Madison | 23:37 |
@khenn | you will not want to go home | 23:37 |
@khenn | a week and a half may not be enough =p | 23:38 |
@preaction | <3 wisconsin | 23:38 |
+MrHairgrease | ok frank | 23:38 |
@khenn | Wisconsin has to be nearly the cheapest place in the world to drink | 23:38 |
+MrHairgrease | you're on | 23:38 |
+MrHairgrease | i'll buy you some drinks | 23:39 |
@preaction | drinking contest between martin and frank? | 23:39 |
+MrHairgrease | pb owes me money anyway | 23:39 |
@preaction | i will PAY to see this | 23:39 |
+MrHairgrease | who's talking about contests | 23:39 |
@preaction | aww... | 23:39 |
@khenn | I'm not competing against Martin | 23:39 |
@khenn | are you kidding? | 23:39 |
@khenn | I tried that in vegas 2 years ago | 23:39 |
+MrHairgrease | were you competing? | 23:39 |
@khenn | no | 23:40 |
@khenn | but I tried to keep up =p | 23:40 |
+MrHairgrease | I can clearly remember you said 'I'm gonna drink with the dutch guys tonight' | 23:40 |
+MrHairgrease | and you did well | 23:40 |
@khenn | I didn't do so well the next morning | 23:40 |
+MrHairgrease | oh | 23:40 |
+MrHairgrease | heh | 23:41 |
@preaction | American puritanism makes us soft :( | 23:41 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah I remember that | 23:41 |
@khenn | and Tavis has footage of me that is youtube material | 23:41 |
+MrHairgrease | more specificly | 23:41 |
+MrHairgrease | i clearly remember not seeying you at all | 23:41 |
+MrHairgrease | =) | 23:41 |
+MrHairgrease | so put it on youtube | 23:41 |
@rizen | i think len doesn't love us anymore | 23:41 |
+MrHairgrease | I'll be able to use it in my acme presentation | 23:42 |
+MrHairgrease | actually | 23:42 |
+MrHairgrease | len still loves you | 23:42 |
+MrHairgrease | but he's really busy doing parent stuff | 23:42 |
+MrHairgrease | i talked to him a couple of days ago | 23:43 |
+MrHairgrease | and he wanted to come to the wuc | 23:43 |
+MrHairgrease | but alas | 23:43 |
+MrHairgrease | no time | 23:43 |
@rizen | damn the parenting | 23:45 |
@rizen | i miss len | 23:45 |
+MrHairgrease | so do I | 23:46 |
@rizen | i want to build up the wisconsin team | 23:57 |
@rizen | so i think i might turn off all the mines, artillery, and robots until after you're here | 23:58 |
@rizen | then i can populate the wisconsin team with the former dutch team | 23:58 |
@rizen | =) | 23:58 |
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+MrHairgrease | language question | 00:09 |
+MrHairgrease | i we are talking about my beer | 00:09 |
+MrHairgrease | should i write | 00:09 |
+MrHairgrease | martins beer | 00:09 |
+MrHairgrease | or martins' beer? | 00:09 |
@khenn | martin's beer | 00:09 |
+MrHairgrease | ok thanks | 00:10 |
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@preaction | is there a reason why this channel is +s (secret). it means we won't show up on a /list of channels. | 00:24 |
@rizen | nope | 00:24 |
@preaction | k | 00:25 |
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+MrHairgrease | hahahaha | 00:26 |
+MrHairgrease | #perl has 567 users | 00:27 |
+MrHairgrease | #python only a puny 502 | 00:27 |
@preaction | check out ##Php :( and #ubuntu | 00:28 |
+MrHairgrease | well channel that need two hashes must uck | 00:29 |
+MrHairgrease | suck* | 00:29 |
+MrHairgrease | and what's wrong with ubuntu? | 00:29 |
@preaction | it's a freenode guideline, "official" project channels get one hash, "unofficial" or "about" channels get two. perl and python should have two | 00:30 |
@preaction | it's just huge | 00:30 |
@preaction | 1200 people, on release day i imagine it will grow to twice that | 00:30 |
+MrHairgrease | all 2400 people using ubuntu =) | 00:31 |
+MrHairgrease | minus one | 00:31 |
+MrHairgrease | b/c I don't use that channel | 00:31 |
+MrHairgrease | still php has only 40 user more than perl | 00:31 |
@preaction | huh, perl's closed the gap a bit | 00:32 |
+MrHairgrease | considreing all that php code that barfed around the net | 00:32 |
@preaction | but then the community in ##php is toxic (and that's an understatement) | 00:32 |
+MrHairgrease | oh really | 00:32 |
+MrHairgrease | let's try out that channel then | 00:32 |
+MrHairgrease | #perl suck anyway | 00:33 |
+MrHairgrease | noone uses the nick larrywall | 00:33 |
@preaction | merlyn (Randall L Schwartz) used to hang out in #perl for a while, but he's rather abrasive and I think the chanops finally asked him to leave | 00:34 |
+MrHairgrease | i guess you're right about php | 00:34 |
+MrHairgrease | (11:33:36 PM) Alloos2: hi, how do I take specific letters from string, example I want to take the first 6 letters in this string: thisisfoo | 00:34 |
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+larrywall | kneel before me | 00:35 |
+larrywall | for I have the nick! | 00:35 |
+larrywall | muhahahahah | 00:35 |
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+MrHairgrease | wow | 00:36 |
+MrHairgrease | that felt blasphemous | 00:36 |
@preaction | 40 Hail Larrys and 10 lashes with a Llama book | 00:37 |
+MrHairgrease | hmmmm, llama | 00:37 |
+MrHairgrease | if we can keep up this level of maturity the wuc is bound to be unforgettable | 00:38 |
+MrHairgrease | for better or worse | 00:38 |
* apeiron peeks in. | 00:46 | |
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@apeiron | yay | 01:18 |
@khenn | yay? | 01:23 |
@khenn | oh | 01:23 |
@khenn | ops | 01:23 |
@preaction | yay! | 01:23 |
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+crythia1 | hrm | 05:00 |
+crythia1 | anyone play java risk? | 05:01 |
@preaction | risk? in java? | 05:01 |
@preaction | ooooOOOOoooh | 05:01 |
+crythia1 | yeah | 05:01 |
+crythia1 | http://jrisk.sourceforge.net/download.shtml | 05:01 |
+crythia1 | best irsk ever | 05:01 |
+crythia1 | risk, even | 05:02 |
@preaction | like, online and stuffs? | 05:02 |
+crythia1 | yeah multiplayer internet | 05:02 |
+crythia1 | or seat shufle | 05:02 |
@preaction | accurate to the board game at least? | 05:02 |
+crythia1 | yes. | 05:02 |
@preaction | i think that this company is going to hate you for the days of lost productivity you're about to inflict on me | 05:03 |
@preaction | but AWESOME | 05:03 |
@preaction | always, always, always take Austrailia first | 05:03 |
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@preaction | the extra two armies per turn quickly adds up to an unstoppable killing force! | 05:03 |
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+crythia1 | yeah but when you hold africa or NA, it's more fun. | 05:04 |
+crythia1 | well, I'm hosting a game right now | 05:04 |
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@preaction | the idea is to make a stronghold, since there's only one way into australia (through Laos) | 05:04 |
+crythia1 | trying to get more than just the one other guy I play against. | 05:05 |
@preaction | not a lobby-type game? | 05:06 |
@preaction | give me a minute to download/install | 05:06 |
+crythia1 | unfortunately, it doesn't have a good lobby. | 05:06 |
+crythia1 | don't use the installer if not using Windows | 05:06 |
@preaction | crap | 05:07 |
+crythia1 | well, it might work, then again... | 05:07 |
@apeiron | If it's "100% Pure Java", It Should [tm] | 05:07 |
@preaction | well i'll get both and see | 05:07 |
@preaction | i might have to break out my java *cough* skills *cough* | 05:08 |
+crythia1 | we play mission. | 05:09 |
+crythia1 | most of the time. | 05:09 |
@preaction | installer worked okay, what's the server? | 05:11 |
+crythia1 | crap. it seems I have only a limited number of players. | 05:12 |
+crythia1 | if it were, it'd be www.gwy2.org | 05:12 |
@khenn | preaction, you have no Java skills =p | 05:14 |
@preaction | liar! i've written complex game-management software in java | 05:14 |
+crythia1 | you have to wait until all joins before choosing character. please wait until I set it up and everyone connects | 05:14 |
@preaction | wtf, this thing is weird | 05:14 |
@preaction | k | 05:14 |
+crythia1 | connect | 05:15 |
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@preaction | k | 05:16 |
+crythia1 | now we choose | 05:16 |
@preaction | the pink empire will rule you all! | 05:17 |
+crythia1 | mission? | 05:17 |
@preaction | i dunno what that means | 05:18 |
+crythia1 | you get a secret --- kill a player, conquer two countries, etc. | 05:18 |
@preaction | i've only ever played Domination (the old risk) | 05:18 |
+crythia1 | it's faster | 05:18 |
@preaction | ahh | 05:18 |
@preaction | sure | 05:18 |
+crythia1 | but apparently, we'll do domination. world conquest | 05:18 |
@preaction | k | 05:18 |
+crythia1 | I did autoplace, so it speeds things up a bit | 05:19 |
@preaction | wtf, autoplace gay | 05:19 |
@preaction | that's the damn AI? crap | 05:26 |
+crythia1 | who? | 05:27 |
@preaction | dark blue | 05:27 |
@preaction | who took australia | 05:27 |
+crythia1 | yeah | 05:27 |
@preaction | and who i now have to defend Siam against | 05:27 |
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@preaction | unf, asia is MINE | 05:37 |
@preaction | ... but not for long | 05:38 |
@preaction | omg yes +7 armies! | 05:39 |
@preaction | omg | 05:41 |
+crythia1 | yeah | 05:41 |
+crythia1 | guess I'm out. :) | 05:42 |
@preaction | that jerk | 05:42 |
@preaction | i'll take most of America next turn probably | 05:42 |
@preaction | he killed you and basically comitted suicide | 05:42 |
@preaction | what remains to be seen is how far blue pushes him | 05:43 |
@preaction | omfg | 05:43 |
* snapcount grabs some popcorn | 05:44 | |
+snapcount | far more interesting than the "bachelor" crap Keri has on TV | 05:44 |
@preaction | the blue ai just trashed asia | 05:44 |
+crythia1 | yeah... and Europe | 05:44 |
+crythia1 | interesting choice. | 05:45 |
@preaction | oh come on, he had an easier time taking out Siam with 15 armies... i try to take one with 1 army against my 5 and he kills them all | 05:46 |
@preaction | CHEAT | 05:46 |
+crythia1 | it's pretty fair dice rolls. | 05:47 |
@preaction | CHEAT i say | 05:47 |
@preaction | black isn't smart at this game are they? | 05:48 |
@preaction | not one country with more than 1 army | 05:48 |
+crythia1 | meh. it's tough and sometimes you just have to conquer territory to prevent large next load | 05:49 |
@preaction | just for them to have to leave a conquering army? | 05:49 |
+crythia1 | meh... | 05:50 |
+crythia1 | it was a bad spread | 05:50 |
@preaction | and germany defends itself against a wildly superior force | 05:50 |
+crythia1 | and cyan kicked butt in real time. | 05:50 |
@preaction | but not twice :( | 05:50 |
@preaction | surprised cyan hasn't moved against middle east yet | 05:50 |
@preaction | no. blue is doing it | 05:51 |
+crythia1 | me, too | 05:51 |
@preaction | where the fuck is blue getting all these armies? | 05:51 |
@preaction | 14 per turn? | 05:51 |
+crythia1 | cards | 05:51 |
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@preaction | there's no way, he got like 14 last turn too for turning in cards | 05:51 |
+crythia1 | mebbe he had 5, forced to discard, got a set | 05:51 |
@preaction | aw hell | 05:54 |
+crythia1 | heh | 05:54 |
+crythia1 | fate is a fickle mistress | 05:54 |
@preaction | go japan! | 05:55 |
@preaction | WOOOT | 05:55 |
@preaction | aw | 05:55 |
+crythia1 | no kidding | 05:55 |
@preaction | taking out 5 not bad | 05:55 |
@preaction | HA go China! | 05:55 |
@preaction | aw | 05:55 |
@preaction | lot better than i thought | 05:56 |
+Radix_ | leave australia alone! :) | 05:56 |
@preaction | hell no, it WILL be mine | 05:56 |
@preaction | that damned AI had better let me have it | 05:56 |
+Radix_ | heh | 05:56 |
@preaction | it's hard as hell to conquer, i've wasted like 10 armies already trying to get at a continent worth of 1-army countries... | 05:57 |
@preaction | he rolls natural 6's like a bitch | 05:57 |
+crythia1 | ooh. dum ai | 05:57 |
@preaction | oh... god.. YES | 05:57 |
+crythia1 | increasing cards. loverly. | 05:57 |
@preaction | MINE | 05:58 |
@preaction | now to take out Cyan's africa +3, no more of that jazz. or maybe i'll sweep through asia again | 05:59 |
+crythia1 | too late to hold australia this late in the game. | 05:59 |
+crythia1 | and you can bet nobody's going to help you by killing siam | 06:00 |
@preaction | i don't want it killed, i has plan | 06:00 |
@apeiron | does it has a flavour? | 06:00 |
@preaction | put my new armies on siam, kill india, move indonesia to siam, next turn put new armies on india and start two-pronged (maybe three-) sweep of asia | 06:00 |
+crythia1 | I'm in UR AUS, making dah 2sies. | 06:00 |
@preaction | no, i've fallen into that inevitable evil genius trap: NEVER explain the plan before it's executed... | 06:01 |
@preaction | it must be because i've substituted chocolate-covered coffee beans for supper | 06:02 |
@preaction | cyan should take SA and get it over with. then try to stomp europe and start clashing for asia | 06:02 |
@preaction | that AI in america has got some fortifications... | 06:03 |
+crythia1 | unfortunately, it appears that disconnected | 06:03 |
+crythia1 | sully | 06:03 |
+crythia1 | crap crap crap | 06:04 |
@preaction | no graceful handling of that? | 06:04 |
+crythia1 | apparently, not. between movies, ai takes | 06:05 |
+crythia1 | movies: moves | 06:05 |
@preaction | as the game creator, do you have additional powers? | 06:06 |
+crythia1 | not really. | 06:06 |
+crythia1 | can't /kick | 06:06 |
@preaction | yeah, that'd be a nice feature, kick the user and replace them with an AI of your choosing | 06:07 |
@preaction | plus chat. plus a pinging thread to make sure everyone's still there | 06:07 |
+crythia1 | yeah, well, generally it's ok. but this happens rarely. | 06:07 |
+crythia1 | I'll stop it, but I'm tired. | 06:08 |
+crythia1 | perhaps another time. | 06:08 |
@preaction | indeed | 06:08 |
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@preaction | i would've won anyway | 06:08 |
+crythia1 | hee | 06:08 |
@preaction | i suppose back to the photo gallery for a bit | 06:08 |
@preaction | maybe this weekend i'll take a look at this game. the sync problems with creating a network game is almost inexcusable | 06:09 |
@preaction | and the not having hosting controls is just as bad | 06:09 |
@preaction | looks like it's relatively active, so i might have to ask the developer before i just jump in | 06:10 |
+crythia1 | well, there you are :) | 06:10 |
@preaction | wait, maybe not. 1.0.8.9 was released in January | 06:11 |
+crythia1 | gnite | 06:11 |
@preaction | nite | 06:11 |
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SDuensin | Greetings | 16:41 |
@khenn | morning | 16:41 |
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AMH_mari | Hi all; has anyone tried upgrading the YUI-library that WebGUI uses to the latest version (i.e. 2.3.1)? We would like to use the color picker beta that's in the latest version. | 17:07 |
AMH_mari | But we're a bit worried that WebGUI's functioning is affected... | 17:08 |
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@khenn | What version of WebGUI are you using? | 17:58 |
AMH_mari | 7.4.8 | 18:09 |
AMH_mari | Alas, I have to catch my bus home now... | 18:09 |
AMH_mari | I'll revisit this channel tomorrow and retry the question. @khenn: thanks. | 18:10 |
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sno | How do I get a HTML::TemplateExpr instance in an object? | 23:01 |
+MrHairgrease | you mean how you can set templates to use html::tmplate::expr? | 23:02 |
sno | Yes, when both are available, but the default is not Expr | 23:02 |
+MrHairgrease | you should set that in the template | 23:02 |
+MrHairgrease | I think it's under the properties tab | 23:02 |
sno | Yeah, it is set at the template properties level. I see that now. Thanks. | 23:07 |
sno | I guess I want it to be established on upgrade, so I'll have to update the instance after template import. | 23:08 |
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+MrHairgrease | woohoo | 00:15 |
+MrHairgrease | I have a concept webgui macro parser in parse::recdescent!!! | 00:15 |
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+MrHairgrease | any regex guru's in the house? | 01:00 |
+MrHairgrease | how can I not match a sequence of chracters | 01:01 |
+MrHairgrease | say | 01:01 |
+MrHairgrease | I want not to match ); | 01:01 |
+MrHairgrease | how do I do that | 01:01 |
@rizen | all you have to do is: m/.*/ | 01:01 |
@rizen | that will match all your characters | 01:01 |
@rizen | =) | 01:01 |
+MrHairgrease | that I know | 01:01 |
+MrHairgrease | but I don't want that | 01:02 |
@rizen | m/![\);]/ | 01:02 |
@rizen | don't know if that would work or not, but it's my first guess | 01:02 |
+MrHairgrease | I also tried the (?!...) syntax | 01:03 |
+MrHairgrease | but I'm to dumb to use the (?...) stuff | 01:03 |
@preaction | why not $m !~ /.../ | 01:18 |
@preaction | perlbot perlre | 01:18 |
perlbot | Perl regular expressions - http://perldoc.perl.org/perlre.html | 01:18 |
+MrHairgrease | cannot do that | 01:18 |
@preaction | or did you need one of the zero-width lookahead/lookbehind assertions so as to not consume parts of the match string? | 01:18 |
+MrHairgrease | i want to match anything up to 0: | 01:19 |
+MrHairgrease | ); | 01:19 |
+MrHairgrease | noy 0; | 01:19 |
+MrHairgrease | not* | 01:19 |
@apeiron | perl -le '$_ = "foobar"; /foo(?!bar)/ and print "hm\n"; $_ = "foobaz"; /foo(?!bar)/ and print' | 01:19 |
@preaction | so it's a choice of a single character? | 01:19 |
+MrHairgrease | what do you mean with that | 01:20 |
@preaction | so you're matching up to but not including ');' | 01:22 |
@preaction | like the macro parser? | 01:22 |
+MrHairgrease | yes | 01:22 |
@preaction | then what apeiron pasted will work | 01:23 |
+MrHairgrease | parse::recdescent is not reeally suited for parsing argument lists | 01:23 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 01:23 |
+MrHairgrease | then I must've been screwing up | 01:23 |
@preaction | it was about 1000x faster when doing nested macros, but i tested against the original (current) algorithm | 01:23 |
+MrHairgrease | I'll try some more | 01:23 |
@preaction | against normal macros, however, it was considerably slower | 01:24 |
+MrHairgrease | what was? | 01:24 |
@preaction | a PRD gramma | 01:24 |
@preaction | grammer | 01:24 |
@preaction | whatever that word is... | 01:24 |
+MrHairgrease | I'm just messing around | 01:24 |
+MrHairgrease | I have no idea if it'll be faster | 01:25 |
@preaction | you're writing a PRD grammar? it's fun and educational, there are some powerful things you can do with them ;) | 01:25 |
+MrHairgrease | I'm just trying to implement the webgui macro parser in parse::recdescent | 01:26 |
+MrHairgrease | it's a top down parser thingy | 01:26 |
+MrHairgrease | if I understod correctly | 01:26 |
@preaction | yeah, i wrote one back when someone (i think you) posted a particularly nasty bit of code that basically DoSed WebGUI because of the macro parser | 01:27 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah | 01:27 |
+MrHairgrease | that was i | 01:27 |
+MrHairgrease | I found the bug when making the acme presentation | 01:27 |
@preaction | it was fun to do, but i understand that Haarg came up with a more efficient regex, and I think someone else came up with one too | 01:28 |
+MrHairgrease | so I guess the acme stuff is good for something after all | 01:28 |
@preaction | indeed | 01:28 |
+MrHairgrease | as I said | 01:28 |
@preaction | but if P::RD ever becomes more efficient like the docs say it can/should, you never know | 01:28 |
+MrHairgrease | I'm only doing this b/c it's possible | 01:28 |
@preaction | i know, it's fun to learn | 01:28 |
@preaction | don't tell JT that i learned HTML::Mason in my spare time a few weeks back ;) | 01:29 |
@rizen | you told me that yourself moron | 01:29 |
@preaction | ruined the joke... | 01:29 |
@rizen | there's no joke, it's just sad | 01:29 |
@preaction | no sense of comedy... | 01:29 |
@preaction | gotta learn how the competition does things | 01:30 |
+MrHairgrease | mason is some sort of a include perl in html thing right? | 01:31 |
@rizen | in that case teach yourself ruby on rails or Zope | 01:31 |
@rizen | that's the competition | 01:31 |
@preaction | it's kinda like embperl, yes | 01:31 |
@rizen | not mason | 01:31 |
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@preaction | you mean, use something OTHER than Perl for web development? | 01:31 |
SDuensin | Good evening. | 01:31 |
@preaction | that just sounds so wrong | 01:32 |
@rizen | i'm saying if you want to learn about the competion | 01:32 |
@rizen | competition | 01:32 |
@rizen | i'm not suggesting that you should actually use it | 01:32 |
* MrHairgrease cancels his RoR download | 01:32 | |
@preaction | zope is python, no? | 01:33 |
@rizen | yup | 01:33 |
@rizen | preaction: i think we should assign apeiron a topic to talk about at the wuc, what do you think? | 01:36 |
+MrHairgrease | apeiron is a new PB employee? | 01:36 |
@preaction | the more the merrier | 01:36 |
@apeiron | MrHairgrease, Indeed. | 01:36 |
@preaction | NOW somebody tells me... | 01:36 |
@khenn | I think he should take over your workflow class, rizen | 01:36 |
@rizen | i think his topic should be converting plone, mambo, and typo3 data to WebGUI | 01:37 |
@khenn | ew | 01:37 |
* SDuensin votes for Drupal | 01:37 | |
SDuensin | :-P | 01:37 |
* apeiron says goodbye to sleep for the rest of the week. | 01:38 | |
@rizen | SD, sorry to say that apeiron is just learning webgui himself this week, so it isn't going to happen | 01:38 |
@rizen | i just wanted to give him a quick heart attack | 01:38 |
SDuensin | :-) | 01:39 |
+MrHairgrease | rizen must be nominated Employer of the Year without doubt | 01:40 |
@preaction | he's like a second father | 01:40 |
+MrHairgrease | the second father you never had =) | 01:41 |
@rizen | a drunk abusive father | 01:41 |
SDuensin | hehe | 01:41 |
@apeiron | "Time to learn to swim, son." [father tosses son into river] | 01:41 |
@preaction | apparently God didn't think my first one screwed me up enough :p | 01:41 |
@preaction | "Don't be a wussy!" | 01:42 |
@rizen | "Stop sucking." | 01:43 |
@rizen | i've never been accused of being a mentor | 01:45 |
+MrHairgrease | did you say mental? | 01:45 |
@rizen | nope, mentor | 01:45 |
@apeiron | I think all Perl programmers have a prereq of 'mental'. :) | 01:45 |
@rizen | i've definitely been accused of being mental | 01:46 |
+MrHairgrease | mine are laziness, impatience and hubris | 01:46 |
+MrHairgrease | but I consider those virtues | 01:46 |
@rizen | my least favorite thing about preparing for the wuc is burning all the cds with all the presentations on them | 01:53 |
+MrHairgrease | so hire extra poeple | 01:54 |
@rizen | for an hour? | 01:54 |
@rizen | to burn cds? | 01:54 |
@rizen | yeah, that would work | 01:54 |
@rizen | martin, could I hire you for $100,000 per year | 01:55 |
@rizen | except, that i'm only going to keep you on staff for an afternoon | 01:55 |
+MrHairgrease | I'll give you $100 if I break 5 eggs on your head | 01:56 |
@rizen | then you break only 4 on my head | 01:56 |
@rizen | and you don't have to pay me $100 | 01:56 |
+MrHairgrease | same kind of deal | 01:56 |
@rizen | the best trick is this one | 01:57 |
@rizen | you see someone order an expensive drink in a bar | 01:57 |
@rizen | then you go up to them | 01:57 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah | 01:57 |
+MrHairgrease | i know that one too | 01:57 |
@rizen | and say i bet you a buck i can drink that drink without touching the glass | 01:58 |
@rizen | hehe | 01:58 |
+MrHairgrease | oh | 01:58 |
+MrHairgrease | my | 01:58 |
+MrHairgrease | a dollar a drink | 01:58 |
+MrHairgrease | hehe | 01:58 |
@rizen | i officially need a new computer | 02:00 |
@rizen | mine is so slow it won't run my keynote presentation without skipping about 50% of the frames | 02:01 |
@rizen | apeiron, i'm taking your computer...you can have my old crappy one | 02:02 |
@rizen | =) | 02:02 |
@apeiron | :( | 02:02 |
@apeiron | Ah, well, 's better than nothing, I suppose, eh? | 02:02 |
@rizen | i'm just kidding | 02:03 |
* apeiron nods, knows. | 02:03 | |
@rizen | i'll buy my own, but i probably will borrow your new laptop to run my presentation | 02:03 |
@apeiron | hmm. Whose shall I swipe, then? | 02:03 |
@rizen | it's only for an hour | 02:04 |
@rizen | you can do without for an hour | 02:04 |
@apeiron | Was planning on bringing a paper notebook either way. | 02:04 |
@rizen | i don't think anyone takes notes during my keynote | 02:04 |
@rizen | it's more like a pep rally | 02:05 |
@apeiron | Ahh. | 02:05 |
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+MrHairgrease | http://www.justsayhi.com/bb/keyboard | 02:22 |
@preaction | i could've swore the original 6th printing of the D&D rules (1976) didn't have holes for a three-ring binder in them... charging highway robbery... | 02:28 |
@rizen | 1,796,000 germs | 02:30 |
+MrHairgrease | I have 2.1 million | 02:30 |
@rizen | you are a dirty girl | 02:31 |
+MrHairgrease | does that please you? | 02:31 |
@rizen | hells yes | 02:31 |
@rizen | btw...do you want your prize money in a crisp clean check | 02:32 |
@rizen | or cold hard cash | 02:32 |
+MrHairgrease | cold hard cash | 02:32 |
+MrHairgrease | the idea is that I spend most of it when I'm in the us | 02:33 |
@rizen | i figured | 02:33 |
+MrHairgrease | dollars not worth a lot in euros | 02:33 |
@rizen | but now that i know your preference, i'll be sure to do the opposite | 02:33 |
@rizen | yeah yeah | 02:33 |
@rizen | i hate our fucking government | 02:33 |
@rizen | the dollar used to be the second strongest currency in the world | 02:34 |
@rizen | amazing what 6 years or so can do | 02:34 |
+MrHairgrease | it is | 02:34 |
+MrHairgrease | the us used to be expensive when we still had guilders | 02:34 |
+MrHairgrease | but i'm not complaining | 02:34 |
@rizen | i bet | 02:34 |
+MrHairgrease | people who export to th eis do | 02:35 |
+MrHairgrease | the us* | 02:35 |
+MrHairgrease | quite understandably | 02:35 |
+MrHairgrease | anyway | 02:38 |
+MrHairgrease | i'm gonna sleep | 02:38 |
+MrHairgrease | bye | 02:38 |
@rizen | later | 02:38 |
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@preaction | 2.3 million? how did i beat you two? | 02:38 |
@apeiron | preaction, You're a disgusting pig. | 02:39 |
@preaction | b-b-b-but i had all those operations... | 02:40 |
@rizen | apeiron,02:41 <+snapcount> damn, I'm a farking hobo | 02:40 |
+snapcount | 4,040,000 | 02:41 |
@apeiron | ! | 02:41 |
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+snapcount | I think it was the "being around sick people" that did me in | 02:42 |
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@preaction | just be sure to unplug it, battery won't kill you, make you stronger | 02:42 |
+snapcount | lol | 02:42 |
+snapcount | 4,044,600 it was actually | 02:43 |
+snapcount | 809 toilet seats... oh yeah | 02:43 |
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+Radix_ | 2,561,580 germs | 07:36 |
@rizen | how long would it take a grasshopper with a wooden leg to kick all of the seeds out of a dill pickle | 07:37 |
@rizen | that's pretty germy | 07:39 |
+Radix_ | it didn't ask me how old the keyboard was though | 07:46 |
@rizen | should that matter? | 07:47 |
@rizen | isn't it more a matter of how often you clean it | 07:47 |
@rizen | than how old it is | 07:47 |
+Radix_ | Ahh.. but if you never clean it.. | 07:48 |
@rizen | that i suppose is true | 07:49 |
@rizen | but are there people that never clean their keyboard, ever? | 07:49 |
* Radix_ whistles innocently. | 07:49 | |
@rizen | i admittedly only clean mine once or twice per year, but .....holy crap | 07:50 |
@rizen | you've got to be kidding me | 07:50 |
@rizen | really? never? | 07:50 |
+Radix_ | I wipe mine with a tissue occasionally to clean the dust off it | 07:50 |
+Radix_ | I actually just bought a new one to replace this thing as it's so old and is starting to look grimy. | 07:50 |
@preaction | once in a while i'll take my glasses cleaner (ammonia-free) and wipe down the buttons a bit. but it's rarely powered-off long enough to clean | 07:51 |
+Radix_ | same | 07:51 |
@rizen | when i clean mine i either use alcohol or clorox bleach and q-tips | 07:51 |
+Radix_ | in that mine is rarely powered off long enough to clean | 07:51 |
@preaction | i've had to toss a couple old ones in the sink with some soap before, but can't really do that with the lappy | 07:52 |
@rizen | you can toss your laptop into the sink if you want | 07:53 |
@rizen | but i won't be buying you a new one | 07:53 |
@rizen | =) | 07:53 |
@preaction | not for another two years at least | 07:53 |
@rizen | the woods are lovely dark and deep | 07:55 |
+Radix_ | I don't use the keyboard on my lappy.. I use a usb one with the laptop raised up | 07:55 |
@preaction | i seen one of thems once, they work nice? | 07:56 |
+Radix_ | I don't think of them as germs so much as allies in the case of alien attack. | 07:57 |
+Radix_ | work great | 07:57 |
+Radix_ | I have a usb keyboard and mouse.. and the elevated laptop means that the screen is at the proper height | 07:58 |
@rizen | oh yeah, well i have a street | 07:58 |
@rizen | so take that | 07:58 |
+Radix_ | ? | 07:58 |
@rizen | for the past 2 months i have not had a street | 07:58 |
@rizen | it's been under construction | 07:58 |
@preaction | they finished the thing in two days? | 07:58 |
+Radix_ | heh | 07:58 |
@rizen | not two days | 07:59 |
@rizen | 2 months | 07:59 |
+Radix_ | Always handy if you want to leave your house I guess | 07:59 |
@rizen | they paved it in 2 days | 07:59 |
@preaction | they started paving yesterday, it took them like 2 days to rip it up, 2 days to pave, and 56 days of sitting on rump | 07:59 |
@rizen | but they should have been able to do that in one day | 07:59 |
@rizen | technically i suppose it's not done, cuz they still have the roadblock signs up | 08:00 |
@rizen | but i can't imagine what else they have to do | 08:00 |
@rizen | it looks finished to me | 08:00 |
@preaction | sit on rump for another 56 days? | 08:00 |
@preaction | gotta get paid somehow | 08:00 |
@rizen | if they aren't gone tomorrow, i'm throwing them down | 08:00 |
@preaction | JT: Civic Hero! | 08:00 |
@rizen | you don't realize how much you need a street until you don't have one for a couple of months | 08:01 |
@preaction | i would pay to see you in a Superman costume in front of a gently-waving american flag | 08:01 |
@preaction | or even a big wG on your chest | 08:01 |
@preaction | with a cape | 08:01 |
+Radix_ | lol | 08:01 |
@rizen | um, yeah. that's never going to happen | 08:01 |
@preaction | so i'd be paying with my life i take it? | 08:02 |
@rizen | didn't you watch the incredibles? capes are out | 08:02 |
+Radix_ | I'll leave you two in peace with that image I think | 08:02 |
@preaction | oh, snap. no cape then | 08:02 |
@rizen | r u going somewhere radix? | 08:02 |
+Radix_ | not really no | 08:03 |
+Radix_ | sick as a dog atm | 08:03 |
@rizen | we're all very upset that you won't be at the wuc this year | 08:03 |
+Radix_ | I'm sure.. heh | 08:03 |
@preaction | extremely... upset... | 08:03 |
+Radix_ | not far away now I guess is it | 08:04 |
@preaction | 5 days | 08:04 |
@preaction | 8 hours | 08:04 |
@preaction | 26 minutes | 08:04 |
@preaction | approximately | 08:04 |
@preaction | perlbot math 5 * 24 + 8) | 08:05 |
perlbot | Bad Expression: syntax error | 08:05 |
+Radix_ | drop the ) | 08:05 |
@preaction | perlbot math (5 * 24 + 8) * 60 + 26 | 08:05 |
perlbot | 7706 | 08:05 |
@preaction | minutes! that's like forever | 08:05 |
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AMH_mari | Hi all. Has anyone tried to upgrade the YUI-library that WebGUI uses to the latest version (2.3.1)? We would like to use the ColorPicker in the new version but are a bit worried that WebGUI's functionality is affected because of the upgrade. Any thoughts anyone? There do not seem to be a lot of changes between the versions and at first sight WebGUI (7.4.8) is functioning normally. Are there problems to expect? What to check to verify WebGUI's f | 11:50 |
+MrHairgrease | I once copied a newer yui over the one delivered with webgui | 11:52 |
+MrHairgrease | that worked | 11:52 |
+MrHairgrease | dunno which version it was anymore | 11:52 |
+MrHairgrease | your best bet is to try it out on a dev system first | 11:52 |
+MrHairgrease | and check the yui docs if 2.3.1 is a drop in replacement for the yui that comes with wegui | 11:53 |
AMH_mari | 2.3.1 appears to work but I will check it further on a dev system first. Thanks. | 11:56 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 11:56 |
+MrHairgrease | good luck | 11:56 |
+MrHairgrease | please let me know how it works out | 11:56 |
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@rizen | the things to check are: | 16:34 |
@rizen | admin bar | 16:34 |
@rizen | resizable text areas | 16:34 |
@rizen | site setup wizard | 16:35 |
@khenn | who are you talking to? | 16:35 |
@rizen | tool tips | 16:35 |
@rizen | AMH_mari | 16:35 |
@rizen | tool tips = hover help | 16:35 |
+MrHairgrease | I have this friggin problem haunting me all day | 16:39 |
+MrHairgrease | what I want to do is this | 16:39 |
+MrHairgrease | Extend WG::A::Post with some stuff | 16:39 |
+MrHairgrease | that will be called WG::A::Post::Slave | 16:39 |
+MrHairgrease | that is easy of course | 16:40 |
+MrHairgrease | the problem is however | 16:40 |
@khenn | I think I know the punchline | 16:40 |
@khenn | =) | 16:40 |
+MrHairgrease | that Threads of that type should use base WG::A::Post::Slave | 16:40 |
+MrHairgrease | Call such a thread WG::A::Post::Slave::Thread | 16:40 |
+MrHairgrease | but how do I get the methods of WG::A::P::Thread into that class? | 16:41 |
+MrHairgrease | I cannot inherit directly | 16:41 |
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@khenn | the only way to do it is to customize all the way through | 16:42 |
+MrHairgrease | since use base 'WG::A::P::Thread' would inherit from WG::A::P | 16:42 |
@khenn | Doug made some fizes | 16:42 |
@khenn | fixes | 16:42 |
+MrHairgrease | not my new post | 16:42 |
@khenn | tot he class | 16:42 |
+MrHairgrease | If it would only export all its crap i think i would work | 16:42 |
+MrHairgrease | what fixes? | 16:42 |
+MrHairgrease | are they in svn? | 16:42 |
@khenn | I'd have to ask | 16:43 |
@khenn | we did this for a client earlier this year | 16:43 |
@khenn | I think the way he did it was: | 16:43 |
+MrHairgrease | Right now I'm trying out mixin | 16:43 |
SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:43 |
@khenn | WG::A::Wobject::CustomCollab | 16:43 |
@khenn | WG::A::Post::CustomThread | 16:43 |
@khenn | WG::A::CustomPost | 16:43 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah | 16:44 |
@khenn | and you have to change the ref points | 16:44 |
+MrHairgrease | that's what i do too | 16:44 |
@khenn | oh, then I misunderstood the issue | 16:44 |
+MrHairgrease | but how do I get the vanilla thread methods into my new thread | 16:44 |
+MrHairgrease | without copying all the code | 16:44 |
@khenn | oh | 16:45 |
@khenn | you could use the isa method off the object | 16:45 |
@khenn | isa(WG::A:Post::Thread | 16:45 |
+MrHairgrease | that doesn't work | 16:46 |
+MrHairgrease | because it'll bypass my custom post | 16:46 |
+MrHairgrease | phone | 16:46 |
+MrHairgrease | brb | 16:46 |
@khenn | then isa(WG::A::Post) | 16:46 |
@khenn | since thread inherits from that | 16:46 |
+MrHairgrease | when I make the new thread isa(WG::A::Thread) defintion will do this | 16:49 |
+MrHairgrease | def(wg::a::p::slave::thread) -> def(wg::a::p::thread) -> def(wg::a::post) | 16:50 |
+MrHairgrease | but I want def(wg::a::p::slave::thread) -> def(wg::a::p::thread) -> def(wg::a::p::slave) -> def(wg::a::post) | 16:51 |
@rizen | MrHairgrease, as far as I know it is not possible to do inheritance in the way you're looking to do it | 16:51 |
@rizen | to make this work you have to do it this way | 16:51 |
@khenn | yeah | 16:51 |
@khenn | you are not doing the inheritance right | 16:52 |
@rizen | 1) subclass WebGUI::Asset::Post | 16:52 |
@rizen | as WebGUI::Asset::Post:NewPost | 16:52 |
AMH_mari | @Rizen: thanks, will check the items from your list specifically. | 16:52 |
@rizen | 2) subclass WebGUI::Asset::Post::Thread as WebGUI::Asset::Post::Thread::NewThread | 16:52 |
@rizen | 3) Create a mixin class outside of both subclasses | 16:52 |
@rizen | for shared methods | 16:52 |
@rizen | and bring them into your subclasses | 16:53 |
@rizen | i know that sucks, but i know of no other way to do what you want to do | 16:53 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 16:53 |
+MrHairgrease | so use mixin is the way to go | 16:54 |
@rizen | and it's very important that your new subclasses include W:A:P and W:A:P:T in their namespace | 16:54 |
@rizen | if they don't, inheritance won't work correctly | 16:54 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 16:55 |
@rizen | actually, that's true of all assets that you subclass | 16:55 |
+MrHairgrease | so W:A:P:Slave and W:A:P:T:Slave | 16:55 |
@rizen | yup | 16:55 |
+MrHairgrease | and repectively ISA W:A:P and ISA W:A:P:T? | 16:57 |
+MrHairgrease | man this is some confusing crap | 16:57 |
@rizen | it gets confusing after a while | 17:02 |
@rizen | it's not so bad on a single asset | 17:03 |
@rizen | but when you have a composite asset like the CS | 17:03 |
@rizen | that is made up of multiple assets | 17:03 |
@rizen | then you get into some real confusing shit | 17:03 |
@rizen | =) | 17:03 |
+MrHairgrease | tell me about it | 17:03 |
@rizen | hmmm. | 17:03 |
@rizen | that would make a great talk at the wuc | 17:04 |
@rizen | the difference between assets, meta assets, and composite assets | 17:04 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah, in a way that you shwo me =) | 17:04 |
@rizen | and the inheritance issues with each | 17:04 |
@rizen | i might have to do that for next year | 17:05 |
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+MrHairgrease | ok | 17:24 |
+MrHairgrease | you may call me dumb now | 17:24 |
+MrHairgrease | i still don't get it to work | 17:24 |
+MrHairgrease | what's supposed to be in that mixin class? | 17:24 |
@rizen | you have to use a mixin utility class | 17:26 |
@rizen | like NEXT | 17:26 |
@rizen | See RSSCapable | 17:26 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 17:26 |
@rizen | W:A:RSSCapable | 17:26 |
+MrHairgrease | i was trying to get mixin to work | 17:27 |
+MrHairgrease | http://search.cpan.org/~mschwern/mixin-0.06/lib/mixin.pm | 17:27 |
+MrHairgrease | but i'll try next | 17:27 |
+MrHairgrease | thanks | 17:27 |
@rizen | mixin might work, never tried that one | 17:27 |
+MrHairgrease | i'll try the paved roads first | 17:27 |
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@khenn | unix help: what is the command to see the size of a folder recursively? | 17:46 |
+MrHairgrease | du -Sh | 17:47 |
@khenn | nope | 17:47 |
@khenn | du: illegal option -- S | 17:47 |
+MrHairgrease | huh | 17:47 |
+MrHairgrease | moment | 17:48 |
@khenn | must be -s | 17:48 |
+MrHairgrease | -S works for me | 17:48 |
@khenn | yeah -s | 17:48 |
@khenn | thanks | 17:48 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah you should -s | 17:48 |
+MrHairgrease | still -S works for me too | 17:48 |
+MrHairgrease | oh | 17:49 |
+MrHairgrease | -S will give a wrong result anyway | 17:49 |
+MrHairgrease | so don't bother=) | 17:49 |
@apeiron | Looks like -S is GNU, whereas a Mac is probably running BSD du. | 17:56 |
+MrHairgrease | ah well | 17:56 |
+MrHairgrease | -s was the right one anyway | 17:56 |
* MrHairgrease is putting th etread thing on the shelf for today | 17:58 | |
+MrHairgrease | I have wre 0.8.0 for ubuntu 7.04 btw | 18:01 |
+MrHairgrease | do you want me to upload it somewhere? | 18:01 |
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@rizen | upload.sf.net/incoming | 18:04 |
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+MrHairgrease | just drop it in that dir? | 18:05 |
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+MrHairgrease | ok | 18:09 |
+MrHairgrease | it's up | 18:09 |
@rizen | it's on sf now | 18:12 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 18:13 |
@rizen | how did the build process go for you? was it smooth as silk? | 18:13 |
+MrHairgrease | yes | 18:32 |
+MrHairgrease | I did ./build.sh | 18:32 |
+MrHairgrease | forgot about it | 18:33 |
+MrHairgrease | and when I remembered and checked it was finised | 18:33 |
+MrHairgrease | nice work | 18:33 |
@rizen | awesome. that's what was intended | 18:33 |
+MrHairgrease | but i gotta go | 18:33 |
@rizen | later | 18:33 |
+MrHairgrease | diner and stuff | 18:33 |
+MrHairgrease | and beer | 18:33 |
+MrHairgrease | I can use that afterthis unfruitful day | 18:34 |
* MrHairgrease is gonna mixin some beer | 18:34 | |
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+snapcount | not sure if you guys saw this yet: http://xkcd.com/327/ | 18:41 |
+snapcount | lolz | 18:41 |
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ckotil | yah, thats a good one. | 20:59 |
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FireZilla | hi | 21:19 |
FireZilla | I have a question. I hope you can help me | 21:20 |
snapcount_ | not until we know what the question is =) | 21:21 |
FireZilla | I read on the wiki, that Modperl port should not be available from outside of the machine. | 21:22 |
@rizen | and maybe not even them. some of us (like me) are dumber than others of us (like snapcount) | 21:22 |
FireZilla | Can you explain why | 21:22 |
snapcount_ | rizen: lol | 21:23 |
snapcount_ | it's because the only thing that needs to talk to that instance is modproxy | 21:23 |
FireZilla | ok, so I just have to block that port with iptables ? | 21:25 |
snapcount_ | or your firewall or even an allow from directive in the apache conf | 21:25 |
snapcount_ | pick your poison | 21:25 |
@Haarg | or change it to only listen on 127.0.0.1 | 21:25 |
snapcount_ | indeed | 21:25 |
@rizen | that only works if your dns is mapped to 127.0.0.1 or you have only one webgui site | 21:26 |
FireZilla | ok. Thanks al lot | 21:31 |
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@rizen | martin's genius sometimes astounds me | 22:01 |
@preaction | his presentation? | 22:06 |
@rizen | no, i'm fixing some graphing bugs | 22:06 |
@rizen | and the graphing system does a bunch of stuff that i had no idea it was capable of | 22:07 |
@rizen | i have to come up with some cool asset to build that can take advantage of this stuff | 22:07 |
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cryolai | Anyone around? I got a question about about WebGUI committing... | 22:23 |
@preaction | perlbot ask | 22:24 |
perlbot | Ask forth your question to the all-knowing channel and we shall bestow upon you the answer of correctitude. | 22:24 |
@preaction | perlbot relearn ask as Don't ask to ask, just ask. | 22:24 |
perlbot | relearned entry for ask | 22:24 |
cryolai | Whenever I commit something, it doesn't actually commit. It goes into the "Pending versions" and never shows up... | 22:25 |
cryolai | Then, a lock shows up on the article or page i just edited, and I have to go back and delete the revisions I just made and the process repeats itself | 22:26 |
cryolai | ...Am I doing something wrong? | 22:26 |
@preaction | is spectre running? | 22:26 |
cryolai | I don't know what that is. | 22:26 |
@preaction | which explains that | 22:26 |
@preaction | running under the WRE? | 22:27 |
cryolai | Eh...? | 22:27 |
@preaction | are you running the WRE? | 22:27 |
cryolai | I don't know what that is, either... | 22:27 |
@preaction | so no | 22:28 |
@preaction | cd /data/WebGUI/sbin; perl spectre.pl --daemon | 22:28 |
cryolai | Hmm? | 22:30 |
@preaction | spectre.pl is located in WebGUI's sbin directory. it is a daemon that must be run with WebGUI | 22:31 |
cryolai | We have hosting, though. | 22:35 |
@preaction | with whom? | 22:36 |
@preaction | ask them for support | 22:36 |
cryolai | Plainblack, alright. | 22:36 |
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elnino | hello. How do I give a user the ability to use the redirect asset? | 07:33 |
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wgGuest54 | Can anyone tell me if you need root access or access to system files in order to install webgui? | 10:11 |
AMH_bob | yes, you do (or superuser rights) | 10:20 |
wgGuest54 | Thanks for that. | 10:20 |
wgGuest54 | researching for a customer. Is it just for the /data dire? That's all I see in the wiki | 10:20 |
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SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:56 |
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@apeiron | Hmm? | 16:54 |
@rizen | deciding whether or not you're cool enough to be op'd | 16:55 |
@apeiron | Oh. | 16:55 |
@apeiron | Well, uh.. | 16:55 |
@apeiron | I would say not right now, 'cause my Ipv6 tunnel is giving me trouble. | 16:55 |
@rizen | the fact that you have an ipv6 tunnel makes you a geek | 16:56 |
@rizen | but geeks are cool | 16:56 |
@rizen | so unless you have some other uncool things about you | 16:56 |
@rizen | i guess you can keep ops | 16:56 |
@apeiron | phew. Glad to hear that. :) | 16:56 |
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cap10morgan_ | Is anyone loading any RSS feeds from del.icio.us into a syndicated content wobject? | 17:54 |
cap10morgan_ | It doesn't seem to grab the descriptions | 17:54 |
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@khenn | my initial thought would be malformed RSS. Have you looked at the feed? | 17:55 |
cap10morgan | yeah | 17:55 |
cap10morgan | it looks basically ok to me | 17:55 |
cap10morgan | i compared it to slashdot's, which does grab the descriptions | 17:56 |
@khenn | The structures are the same? | 17:57 |
cap10morgan | yeah | 17:58 |
cap10morgan | i can't see any difference | 17:58 |
@khenn | how about funky characters? | 17:58 |
cap10morgan | hmm... don't see any. some url-escaped stuff in the url's is the closest thing (but you'd expect that) | 17:58 |
cap10morgan | there are xml entities in there like & | 17:59 |
cap10morgan | but those are in the links, and they show up fine | 17:59 |
@khenn | those are the only two things I can think of that would screw up the RSS feed | 18:00 |
cap10morgan | hmm, very weird | 18:03 |
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knowmad | Hi folks. I'm trying to remember the function that I saw once which can look for a string in an array. Does anyone know the name of that function and what module it's in? | 18:30 |
knowmad | looks like the Bug reporting is down on webgui.org.... | 18:33 |
knowmad | FWIW, I'm not encouraged to send an email to noreply@plainblack.com :) | 18:34 |
knowmad | Found it -- Utility.pm -- sub isIn | 18:41 |
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@rizen | what do you mean bug reporting is down? | 19:05 |
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knowmad | hi rizen. I was getting an error message when i visited the bugs url | 19:52 |
@rizen | you're not now though right? | 19:53 |
@rizen | i think i fixed it | 19:53 |
knowmad | let me check it | 19:53 |
knowmad | looks good now | 19:54 |
@rizen | i forgot to clear the userSessionScratch in the upgrade that i applied yesterday | 19:54 |
@rizen | so i'll have to put out a new release today that has that fix in it | 19:54 |
knowmad | Ahh, ok. | 19:54 |
knowmad | rizen: when are you going to branch to 7.5? | 20:08 |
@rizen | when you least expect it | 20:09 |
@rizen | hehe | 20:09 |
knowmad | last week? | 20:09 |
@rizen | no, that's when you expected it | 20:09 |
knowmad | haha. so true! | 20:09 |
@rizen | you're thinking that it should be any day now | 20:09 |
@rizen | so i'm going to have to wait until january | 20:09 |
@rizen | it was going be be branched today | 20:10 |
knowmad | we're kinda hoping. diona has some edits to add that she's almost forgotten | 20:10 |
@rizen | but now i have to put out a new release | 20:10 |
@rizen | so it may be tomorrow | 20:10 |
@rizen | but it will be today or tomorrow for sure | 20:10 |
knowmad | ok, we'll try to hold onto those neurons for a couple more days. | 20:10 |
@rizen | as you might imagine, there's a lot going on right now for us | 20:10 |
knowmad | yes, i can imagine. | 20:10 |
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cap10morgan_ | since wre 0.8 requires webgui 7.4, how do you upgrade a 0.7.2 / 7.3.22 site to 0.8 / 7.4? | 23:37 |
+snapcount | I believe there is a wiki article on how to migrate | 23:38 |
+snapcount | lemme look | 23:38 |
+snapcount | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/migration-to-wre-0.8 | 23:39 |
cap10morgan_ | cool, thanks | 23:39 |
+snapcount | I think you need to upgrade webgui first | 23:39 |
+snapcount | then migrate to latest wre | 23:40 |
+snapcount | but I haven't tried either yet so I may be wrong | 23:40 |
@rizen | You can upgrade to 7.4 with either 0.7 or 0.8 | 23:41 |
@rizen | you just can't run 7.3 on 0.8 | 23:41 |
@rizen | but you can use 0.8 to upgrade it | 23:41 |
+snapcount | oh... good to know | 23:41 |
@rizen | or you can upgrade to 7.4 on 0.7 | 23:41 |
+snapcount | thanks dude | 23:41 |
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+snapcount | hmm | 04:47 |
+snapcount | is there a macro that can pull user scratch variables | 04:47 |
+snapcount | I think there was one at some point | 04:48 |
+snapcount | well, grep says the answer is no so I guess I'll write it | 04:50 |
+snapcount | ok, I wrote the macro but I'm at an impass | 05:04 |
+snapcount | do you think I should allow the user to specify the level of filtering done on the value returned? | 05:04 |
+snapcount | or just filter all always | 05:04 |
+snapcount | (this is going to be contributed btw) | 05:04 |
+snapcount | I don't want people to accidentally open themselves to XSS vulnerabilities and other crap | 05:05 |
+snapcount | well, I don't suppose scratch vars were ever intended to hold url encoded html and/or js so I'll just filter it always | 05:10 |
@rizen | yeah, generally scratch variables hold simple strings or json | 05:58 |
@rizen | so it's safe to filter HTML | 05:58 |
@rizen | and smart | 05:59 |
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+snapcount | cool | 06:13 |
+snapcount | added to contribs | 06:13 |
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AMH_mari | @MrHairGrease - about replacing WebGUI 7.4.8's YUI-library 2.2.2 with version 2.3.1: preliminary results are that this does not affect WebGUI's functioning, which is good because now we can use 2.3.1's ColorPicker. | 13:25 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 13:47 |
+MrHairgrease | cool | 13:47 |
+MrHairgrease | thought so already | 13:47 |
+MrHairgrease | but it's nice to know for sure | 13:47 |
@preaction | FYI: Vienna is a truly awesome FOSS RSS reader for OSX | 13:51 |
@preaction | can I have any more acronyms in there? | 13:51 |
+MrHairgrease | BTW | 13:54 |
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+MrHairgrease | i remember somebody passing on a link about recognizing which linux distro you're running on | 15:55 |
+MrHairgrease | either here or on the dev list | 15:55 |
+MrHairgrease | but i cannot fiond it anymore | 15:55 |
+MrHairgrease | anybody still knows? | 15:56 |
AMH_henry | http://search.cpan.org/~kerberus/Linux-Distribution-0.14/lib/Linux/Distribution.pm | 15:56 |
+MrHairgrease | oh yeah | 15:57 |
+MrHairgrease | 't was a perl module | 15:57 |
+MrHairgrease | thanks | 15:57 |
AMH_henry | yw | 15:57 |
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SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:10 |
+MrHairgrease | welcome mr. duensin | 16:10 |
+MrHairgrease | rizen | 16:49 |
+MrHairgrease | currently i'm trying to migriate a buch of site from wre 072 to 808 | 16:49 |
@rizen | martin | 16:49 |
+MrHairgrease | 080 | 16:49 |
@rizen | cool | 16:49 |
+MrHairgrease | am i supposed to access the wreconsole by makin a ssh tunnel? | 16:50 |
+MrHairgrease | it's on a remote box | 16:50 |
@rizen | or with lynx | 16:51 |
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+MrHairgrease | ok | 16:51 |
@rizen | or by opening a port in the firewall | 16:51 |
+MrHairgrease | what firewall? | 16:51 |
@rizen | well if there's no firewall, then you should be able to just start it up | 16:51 |
+MrHairgrease | is wreconsole only listening to localhost? | 16:51 |
@rizen | and use it directly | 16:51 |
@rizen | no | 16:52 |
@rizen | it binds to all ips | 16:52 |
+MrHairgrease | hmm | 16:52 |
+MrHairgrease | starnge | 16:52 |
+MrHairgrease | b/c it won't respond when i try to connect to it directly | 16:52 |
+MrHairgrease | oh wait | 16:52 |
+MrHairgrease | maybe it is a firewall after all | 16:53 |
+MrHairgrease | moment | 16:53 |
+MrHairgrease | is the hostname important? | 16:54 |
+MrHairgrease | so if it says connect to me via foobar:60834 | 16:54 |
@rizen | nope | 16:54 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 16:54 |
@rizen | only the port is relevant | 16:54 |
+MrHairgrease | i'll investigate further | 16:55 |
+MrHairgrease | it works via a ssh tunnel | 16:55 |
+MrHairgrease | but | 16:55 |
+MrHairgrease | somehow everything is completely unstyled | 16:55 |
+MrHairgrease | as if the css is not coming through | 16:55 |
@rizen | wierd | 16:55 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah | 16:55 |
@rizen | did the css file get copied into /data/wre/var | 16:55 |
@rizen | perhaps you have a permissions problem | 16:56 |
+MrHairgrease | i'll check | 16:56 |
+MrHairgrease | oh yeah | 16:56 |
+MrHairgrease | that could be it | 16:56 |
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@rizen | steveo, you were great in jackass | 16:56 |
@rizen | i think in jackass 3 you should light your balls on fire | 16:57 |
@rizen | just kidding sno | 16:57 |
@rizen | AMH_bob...i hear you're coming to the WUC | 16:57 |
+MrHairgrease | hmm | 16:59 |
AMH_bob | HHHHH | 16:59 |
+MrHairgrease | stil no workie | 16:59 |
+MrHairgrease | in the html it says | 16:59 |
AMH_bob | I just haven't told my wife yet! | 16:59 |
+MrHairgrease | <link rel="stylesheet" href="/css" type="text/css" /> | 16:59 |
AMH_bob | eh, I mean: asked my wife yet! | 17:00 |
+MrHairgrease | is that what it should say? | 17:00 |
@rizen | hehe | 17:00 |
@rizen | holy last minute travel plans | 17:00 |
@rizen | that plane ticket has to cost you 1500 euros | 17:00 |
@rizen | or more | 17:00 |
@rizen | or rather, AMH, not you | 17:00 |
AMH_bob | or a lot less hehehehe | 17:00 |
@rizen | yes | 17:01 |
@rizen | yes mhg | 17:01 |
@rizen | the console web server translates /css into the file in the var folder | 17:01 |
+MrHairgrease | but going to http://localhost:60834/css | 17:01 |
+MrHairgrease | gives a 404 | 17:01 |
@rizen | do you have a file in /data/wre/var? | 17:02 |
+MrHairgrease | that port i tunneled btw | 17:02 |
@rizen | wreconsole.css | 17:02 |
AMH_bob | AMH_henry says: 1075 for two round trip tickets | 17:02 |
+MrHairgrease | that's in /data/wre/var/setupfiles | 17:02 |
+MrHairgrease | maybe it is b/c i'm migrating | 17:03 |
+MrHairgrease | and it sees the siteconfs in webgui/etc | 17:03 |
+MrHairgrease | so setup is skipped | 17:03 |
+MrHairgrease | when first starting the wreconsole | 17:03 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:05 |
+MrHairgrease | manually copying it to wre/var works | 17:06 |
@rizen | you still have to run setup though | 17:07 |
+MrHairgrease | how do i do that? | 17:07 |
@rizen | you're supposed to go to http://localhost;60834/setup | 17:07 |
+MrHairgrease | it's not in the migration wiki =) | 17:07 |
@rizen | it says that right in the install.txt | 17:07 |
+MrHairgrease | oh right | 17:08 |
+MrHairgrease | my bad | 17:08 |
@rizen | no, the migration wiki says to follow the install instructions | 17:08 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:08 |
+MrHairgrease | it's friday here too | 17:08 |
@rizen | hehe | 17:08 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 17:09 |
+MrHairgrease | you may belittle me for a couple of minutes at the wuc =) | 17:09 |
+Radix_ | just a couple of minutes? | 17:10 |
+Radix_ | he'd do that normally I'm sure :) | 17:10 |
+MrHairgrease | hehe | 17:11 |
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@rizen | mhg, i would never belittle you | 17:15 |
@rizen | well except that one year at the wuc where i said you sound the same whether your mouth is full or not | 17:16 |
@rizen | but that was more endearingly funny | 17:16 |
@rizen | and i wouldn't say that again | 17:16 |
@rizen | it's been done | 17:16 |
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@rizen | besides, i owe you a whole lot of beer money for your WCC winnings | 17:17 |
@rizen | how can i give you a wad of cash and then belittle you | 17:17 |
@rizen | it just wouldn't be right | 17:17 |
@rizen | MrHairgrease: so now that you're following the install instructions, how have the migration instructions been | 17:19 |
@rizen | i wrote them after migrating one of my own servers | 17:20 |
@rizen | so i hope they are complete | 17:20 |
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+MrHairgrease | bye guys | 17:59 |
+MrHairgrease | we are there ready with | 17:59 |
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AMH_bob | @rizen: The word is out, I'm comming to the WUC! | 21:18 |
@rizen | sweet | 21:18 |
AMH_bob | dude | 21:18 |
@rizen | and the wife isn't killing you or anything | 21:18 |
AMH_bob | nope, she would rather have me here, but she just loves me too much! | 21:19 |
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SDuensin | rizen! Quit working so hard and play with the new ZKD update I pushed today. New demo and all. :-) | 22:51 |
knowmad | What's ZKD? | 23:19 |
+snapcount | Zore King of Destruction | 23:21 |
+snapcount | Zebras Kick Donkeys | 23:21 |
+snapcount | zOMG Kittens Dancing | 23:21 |
+snapcount | ok I'm out of guesses | 23:21 |
@rizen | zk desktop | 23:22 |
@rizen | which uses the zk ajax/java framework | 23:22 |
@rizen | to build a web based desktop | 23:22 |
+snapcount | nice... I've seen some of the stuff YUI can do as far as making desktop like interfaces | 23:27 |
+snapcount | I'll have to check zk out | 23:27 |
knowmad | ZKD looks like Meebo | 23:35 |
knowmad | wonder if it's built on zkd... | 23:36 |
@rizen | SD, the WUC is next week | 23:38 |
@rizen | you really can't think i'm going to take a break now | 23:38 |
@rizen | =) | 23:38 |
@rizen | i haven't even got 7.5 branched yet | 23:38 |
@rizen | which knowmad...i swear will be done today | 23:38 |
knowmad | don't forget, you said that would happen today | 23:38 |
@rizen | we're just having a little trouble with the 7.4.10 release | 23:39 |
knowmad | ok, i'll be watching for it ;) | 23:39 |
@rizen | found a last minute bug | 23:39 |
@rizen | fixing, releasing, then we'll branch | 23:39 |
knowmad | there's always something... | 23:39 |
@rizen | this one brought down plainblack.com | 23:39 |
@rizen | so it's pretty serious | 23:39 |
knowmad | yeah, that's pretty bad. | 23:39 |
knowmad | is it safe to migrate from 7.3.13 to 7.4.9 or should i go to 7.4.8 until 7.4.10 is out? | 23:40 |
knowmad | this is for a test server | 23:40 |
knowmad | but i don't want to waste time debugging something you're about to fix | 23:40 |
@rizen | 7.4.10 will be out in 20 minutes | 23:41 |
@rizen | just wait | 23:41 |
nuba | hey guys | 23:44 |
@rizen | straw nuba | 23:45 |
* nuba resuming "normal life" | 23:45 | |
@preaction | normal? sounds boring | 23:45 |
nuba | heh its not everyday my grandma dies you know | 23:45 |
nuba | happens only twice | 23:45 |
nuba | in life | 23:46 |
@rizen | i have 2 or three die on me a week | 23:46 |
@rizen | i name all my pet flies grandma | 23:46 |
@preaction | what features are advertised as Coming in 7.5 (that i could use for potential adopters?) | 23:46 |
@rizen | none until the speech at the wuc | 23:47 |
@preaction | ah, k | 23:47 |
nuba | so a lot of backlog to catch up with in #webgui | 23:47 |
nuba | did I miss anything? any outstanding event? | 23:47 |
@preaction | the WUC? | 23:47 |
nuba | not going | 23:48 |
@preaction | awww | 23:48 |
@rizen | we'll miss you | 23:48 |
@preaction | we'll let you know how it goes | 23:48 |
nuba | well its been a while since the last WUC i attented, you should be used to it already | 23:48 |
nuba | attended* | 23:49 |
@preaction | that just makes us miss you all the more | 23:49 |
nuba | i considered attending this year, but things got pretty messy here | 23:49 |
nuba | maybe next year | 23:49 |
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@rizen | ok new version is out | 23:56 |
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@rizen | branching done | 00:09 |
@preaction | darnit, now i have another side-project to do: merge some calendar changes into the 7.5 branch. last time I died from feature creep, this time imma die from side-projects | 00:10 |
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@preaction | i've noticed a weird problem with the code in assets we currently have: i don't see many assets inheriting the response from processPropertiesFromFormPost | 00:51 |
@preaction | it can return an array reference of errors | 00:51 |
@rizen | that's a legacy issue | 00:52 |
@rizen | the ability to return that response was added only recently | 00:52 |
@rizen | 7.3 i think | 00:52 |
@rizen | not saying it shouldnt' be fixed | 00:52 |
@rizen | just giving history | 00:53 |
@preaction | imma fix it for File / Image / Photo, but i might not be able to rewrite the parts of File and Image that need it | 00:53 |
@preaction | eh, i'll just do it. it'll be easier / faster to do it right this time | 00:53 |
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SynQ | jo! | 00:01 |
SynQ | I'm alive | 00:01 |
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nuba | SynQ: enjoy. it wont last forever | 00:10 |
SynQ | hehe | 00:10 |
nuba | one of the few certain things in life | 00:10 |
SynQ | when I'm dead I won't know about it probably | 00:10 |
SynQ | the only thing to hope is that others will still know who you where | 00:11 |
SynQ | I read you're not coming to the wuc | 00:12 |
nuba | true | 00:13 |
SynQ | will you be online though? | 00:13 |
nuba | maybe the next one tho | 00:13 |
nuba | probably | 00:13 |
SynQ | how come? | 00:13 |
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nuba | how come? no, it's "no going" | 00:14 |
nuba | as in "staying local" | 00:15 |
SynQ | how come you are not going to the wuc? what is the reason? | 00:16 |
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nuba | i took a supersized vacation at work, just returned home last week | 00:33 |
nuba | it wasnt meant to be so, but i had a family issue arising just after my vacation | 00:34 |
nuba | if I were to attend to the wuc, I should have been making arrangements for that durint the last weeks | 00:35 |
nuba | shoulda, didnt | 00:35 |
+snapcount | heh... watching spectre run in debug with 8 workers and 5000 pending workflows is a lot different than watching it with 3 | 01:27 |
+snapcount | setting maxTimeBetween... to 0 prolly helped too | 01:29 |
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+snapcount | preaction: you around? | 04:11 |
@preaction | for a bit, sup? | 04:11 |
+snapcount | trying to find the best way to generate several columns using css and an un-ordered list | 04:12 |
+snapcount | do you know of any resources? | 04:12 |
@preaction | a list apart | 04:12 |
+snapcount | I've got it working but it's not the best way I'm sure | 04:12 |
+snapcount | is that a question or an answer =) | 04:13 |
@preaction | there's an article on A List Apart for multiple column lists | 04:13 |
+snapcount | oh | 04:13 |
+snapcount | so this is a website | 04:13 |
@preaction | but you'll only get an easy method by going left-right top-bottom, not top-bottom left-right | 04:13 |
+snapcount | yeah I figured that out | 04:14 |
@preaction | the #css bot is seriously pwn | 04:14 |
+snapcount | the other ways involve js right? | 04:14 |
@preaction | CSS3 provides multiple columns rules, but of course, CSS3 multicolumn isn't supported yet | 04:14 |
@preaction | JS would be a way to do it, yes | 04:14 |
+snapcount | ok... I'll check out the site | 04:14 |
+snapcount | get my learn on | 04:14 |
+snapcount | =P thanks man | 04:15 |
+Radix-wrk | a list apart is a great site | 04:28 |
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@preaction | baby-sitting, baby-sitting, baby-sitting servers... | 12:33 |
@preaction | load average of 10, think that's bad? | 12:33 |
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@preaction | Bonjourno from the WUC! | 15:26 |
ckotil | sweet. whens it start? | 15:28 |
@preaction | 30 minutes i think | 15:28 |
@preaction | well, the school thingies | 15:29 |
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xdanger | where's the live webcast? | 15:36 |
@preaction | live webcast? i can't even get my mail from home | 15:51 |
@preaction | but i think that's a problem with my home and not this place | 15:51 |
@preaction | 3mbps downspeed, not bad | 15:52 |
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SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:01 |
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-!- preaction changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.4.10-stable | WRE 0.8.0 ] The WUC is HERE! Greetings from Madison! | 16:23 | |
+MrHairgrease | The Dutch will invade Madison by tomorrow around 4 pm or so! | 16:35 |
@preaction | you sure? i've got one sitting right next to me i thinks | 16:38 |
AMH_bob | Haha, the dutch will probably be sooner than that! | 16:38 |
@preaction | he doesn't look like he's been subjugated by a fearmongering society, at least. | 16:39 |
AMH_bob | We're leaving Amsterdam tomorrow at 10.30am local time | 16:40 |
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+MrHairgrease | ah | 17:12 |
+MrHairgrease | prolly the same plane then | 17:12 |
+MrHairgrease | you fly with klm? | 17:13 |
+MrHairgrease | to chicago? | 17:13 |
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AMH_bo1 | Yep, KLM | 17:17 |
+MrHairgrease | cool | 17:17 |
AMH_bo1 | AMS->Chicago | 17:17 |
+MrHairgrease | how do you travel to madison from chicago? | 17:17 |
+MrHairgrease | rental car? | 17:18 |
AMH_bo1 | yep | 17:18 |
+MrHairgrease | cool | 17:18 |
+MrHairgrease | we can race you then =) | 17:18 |
AMH_bo1 | haha good luck with that! | 17:18 |
AMH_bo1 | O:-) | 17:18 |
+MrHairgrease | famous last words... | 17:19 |
AMH_bo1 | I bet our car can beat your car | 17:19 |
AMH_bo1 | :P | 17:19 |
AMH_bo1 | We're already checked in - Robert had to get us good seats. | 17:21 |
AMH_bo1 | there are (multiple) sites you can check to get the absolute best seats on the plane (I couldn't believe my eyes!) | 17:22 |
dapperedodo | We took row 42, the Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything | 17:22 |
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+snapcount | somebody needs to blog about the WUC while you're there | 17:27 |
+snapcount | I'll read it | 17:27 |
+snapcount | =) | 17:27 |
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+snapcount | especially the BoF sessions | 17:30 |
+snapcount | and any little side hacking projects that spawn | 17:31 |
+snapcount | hell, I might even partake from afar | 17:31 |
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@preaction | i need a blog again... commctrl.com has been down for AGES | 17:44 |
SDuensin | I thought about starting one, but I think I'd just bitch. :-) | 17:46 |
+crythias | I started one, | 17:46 |
+crythias | then stopped | 17:46 |
+crythias | then started again. | 17:46 |
+crythias | blog.crythias.com | 17:47 |
+crythias | hee | 17:47 |
SDuensin | I'm going to need one soon, but it'll be for professional use, not for my personal ranting. | 17:47 |
+crythias | you can use aboutus.org to attach a wiki to any website :) | 17:48 |
SDuensin | I have a wiki and blog. I use WebGUI! :-P | 17:49 |
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+snapcount | so who is at the WUC that will post to this thing throughout the day? | 18:57 |
+snapcount | it could be a new tradition? =) | 18:57 |
+snapcount | I know today and tomorrow are just classes | 18:57 |
+snapcount | actually, I could throw a site up for all at the WUC to use | 18:58 |
+snapcount | sort of WUC Wikiblog | 18:58 |
+snapcount | if anyone is interested let me know and I'll put the site up... I have like 15 webgui-ish domain names and tons of bandwidth, server resources, etc | 18:59 |
+snapcount | I could even host a collaborative dev environment for any BoF sessions that are going on | 18:59 |
+snapcount | damn it, I wish I was freaking there!!!!!!! | 19:00 |
+snapcount | I'm buying my ticket the day they go on sale next year | 19:00 |
+snapcount | never imagined it would sell out | 19:00 |
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steveo | How can I find the content of a macro like ^PickRichEditor? | 20:10 |
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@preaction | steveo, what do you mean? once it's replaced you won't know where the macro itself was | 20:30 |
ckotil | might be able to edit the macro to write out current location to std error or webgui error log | 20:36 |
steveo | I found it. I need a use statement before processing my template. | 20:40 |
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elnino | hi. I have a user that want's to change the url of the collaboration thread. I can't find the name of the field to make that available in the template. i tried url.form, but the text box didn't appear as expected. | 00:04 |
xdanger | I think there aren't any simple way to allow that for a regular user | 00:05 |
xdanger | since the urls are autogenerated | 00:05 |
elnino | I would think it would be like any other asset. if it's blank, it's autogenerated, otherwise you can provide one. Is this intended behavior for CS or is it a bug? I | 00:06 |
elnino | nix the last "I" | 00:06 |
xdanger | the cs overwrites the url process I think... | 00:07 |
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elnino | hmm. that's too bad. | 00:07 |
xdanger | You can use the "Change url" function as an admin, but I'm not sure how you could provide that functionality to the user with unmodified webgui | 00:08 |
steveo | I thought that if a URL was provided, as long as it was unique it would be used. | 00:08 |
steveo | If it wasn't WebGUI would modify it slightly so that it was made unique. | 00:09 |
elnino | yes with all other assets. But I'm just trying to allow the user to enter a url for a *thread* asset, but it's apparantly not available. | 00:10 |
steveo | But I might be mistaking admin behavior with something else. | 00:10 |
elnino | I could have sworn I was able to as admin, but I'm not... I'm wondering if it *disabppeared * when I upgrade to 7.3.22 (or whatever the last stable was before 7.4*) | 00:11 |
SynQ | ok | 00:13 |
SynQ | leaving home for madison in +6 hours | 00:13 |
SynQ | later | 00:13 |
SynQ | ~ | 00:13 |
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dj_perl | Hello preaction, I'm going to use webguidev.navman.com for development. Is that ok? | 00:40 |
@preaction | development of navman things is probably fine | 00:41 |
dj_perl | Well, it's for gallery. I need a server where I can install Perl/CGI scripts, and dispatch iPhoto export commands to WebGUI. | 00:42 |
@preaction | you can't dispatch iphoto export commands to localhost? | 00:42 |
dj_perl | Sure, but I'd have to install and configure a WRE. | 00:43 |
@preaction | that would be preferred | 00:44 |
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+MrHairgrease | so | 01:42 |
+MrHairgrease | how is the wuc going? | 01:42 |
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perlDreamer | MrHairGrease: inverted character class : /[^aeiou]/ # do not match vowels | 01:50 |
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perlDreamer | You should pick up a copy of the Mastering Regular Expressions by Jeffrey Freidl | 01:55 |
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SDuensin | Greetings. | 17:12 |
@preaction | bonjourno | 17:12 |
SDuensin | banjokazooie | 17:14 |
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@preaction | "Boot Camp Assistant Beta has Expired" wtf? | 18:49 |
@apeiron | preaction, It doesn't like you, and I don't blame it. :) | 19:08 |
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AMH_bob | Hi everybody, we're finally in a hotel room in Madison. Hard to believe I was riding my bike to the train station this morning in Roermond, Holland 21 hous ago - boy was this a long day! | 04:45 |
AMH_bob | I'm looking forward to tomorrow! | 04:45 |
AMH_bob | Goodnight! | 04:45 |
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AMH_bob | Good morning | 13:54 |
xootom | Morning | 13:58 |
AMH_henry | hey bob! | 14:02 |
AMH_henry | how was your flight? | 14:02 |
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AMH_bob | Long | 14:11 |
AMH_bob | Het is nu 6am hier | 14:11 |
AMH_bob | It's still early and we're goingto get ready for the WUC soon. | 14:12 |
AMH_bob | We slept alright - probably shook the jetlay off by now (hopefully). | 14:13 |
AMH_henry | ic.. have fun at the WUC | 14:16 |
+Radix_ | Have a good WUC! | 14:24 |
AMH_bob | Thanx! Until later! | 14:27 |
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+MrHairgrease | are we there yet? | 15:20 |
* MrHairgrease is hungry | 15:21 | |
dapperedodo | plop | 15:21 |
+MrHairgrease | flop | 15:23 |
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SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:56 |
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@Khenn | Greetings from the WUC!!! | 18:25 |
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+perlDreamer | prepare for a flood of WUC attendees | 18:26 |
+perlDreamer | we just found a way around the hotel firewall | 18:26 |
+perlDreamer | ++apeiron | 18:26 |
nuba | ssh tunneling? | 18:27 |
+perlDreamer | new port | 18:27 |
+perlDreamer | 7000 vs 6667 | 18:27 |
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@Khenn | Greetings again from the WUC on port 7000 =) | 18:27 |
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@apeiron | These nubs don't have a machine at home for SSH, so they had to bypass. :) | 18:29 |
knowma1 | well, not all of us are using command-line clients | 18:30 |
@apeiron | Could still tunnel SSH,shrug. | 18:31 |
knowma1 | ok, i admit it; i'm being lazy | 18:32 |
+perlDreamer | amazon just released EC2 for "all developers" | 18:32 |
+perlDreamer | time to look into moving wG tests over there | 18:32 |
nuba | heh | 18:33 |
knowma1 | how much do they charge for the service? | 18:33 |
+perlDreamer | don't know, just reading slashdot headlines | 18:33 |
+perlDreamer | http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/ann.jspa?annID=241 | 18:33 |
knowma1 | i wrote an interface to the AWS ecommerce system | 18:33 |
knowma1 | it was easy to do | 18:33 |
* perlDreamer is WRE ignorant... | 18:34 | |
+perlDreamer | Does the WRE guarantee that uploads directories have the right permissions? | 18:35 |
@apeiron | perlDreamer, https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/browse/branch/photogallery/WebGUI/t/lib/lib/WebGUI/Test <-- testing system pr[tab][tab] (dammit) er, Doug is working on. | 18:35 |
knowma1 | apeiron: is your webgui.org handle 'fishingfan'? | 18:35 |
@apeiron | whoops | 18:35 |
@apeiron | knowma1, Nope. | 18:35 |
+perlDreamer | time for a new wiki page ;) | 18:36 |
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@apeiron | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/browse/branch/photogallery/WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test/ <-- working version 'cause I suck at the intarwebs. | 18:36 |
nuba | knowma1: i think fishingfan was len's handle | 18:37 |
nuba | iirc | 18:37 |
knowma1 | nuba: is len here? | 18:37 |
+perlDreamer | how about if everyone adds a name/entry/handle entry to http://www.webgui.org/wuc/wiki/who-are-you | 18:37 |
knowma1 | I mean at the WUC | 18:37 |
+perlDreamer | haven't seen len | 18:37 |
nuba | len = Len Kranendonk | 18:37 |
+perlDreamer | I heard he's being a dad this year | 18:37 |
nuba | bbiaw | 18:38 |
@apeiron | I guess labelling myself as "PB noob, IRC addict" wouldn't be too professional, eh? | 18:38 |
+perlDreamer | eh | 18:39 |
+perlDreamer | we're geeks | 18:39 |
@apeiron | Thinking about things more, it seems really silly that they're blocking IRC. wtf's with that? | 18:42 |
@Khenn | aperion: less chatting on IRC = more learning at WUC! | 18:44 |
+perlDreamer | does anyone else have a Test::MockObject test failure with t/Asset/File/Image.t? | 18:53 |
@Khenn | is Graphics::Magick working for you? | 18:53 |
@Khenn | that could be causing the issue | 18:53 |
+perlDreamer | I don't think it's getting that far into the code, it's dying when I mock the module. | 18:54 |
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@Khenn | hmm | 18:54 |
+perlDreamer | could install G::M and try... | 18:54 |
preaction | it doesn't realize that irc.freenode.net:6667 = irc.freenode.net:7000 :p | 18:54 |
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+perlDreamer | Graphics::Magick is not on CPAN? | 18:55 |
@preaction | it's like Image::Magick, it needs to be installed with GM | 18:55 |
@preaction | if you're on FreeBSD, you need to muck with the Makefile | 18:55 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: one downside to multiple test files is that perl has to invoke a separate interpreter for each file, so it may slow testing down. | 18:58 |
@preaction | understandably, plus all the other loading that each test does, but imho it's easier to understand the tests themselves | 18:58 |
@preaction | once you get to 500, 1000+ lines, you need to keep a lot of things in your head when reading it | 18:58 |
+perlDreamer | this is true | 18:59 |
@preaction | the 7+/-2 magic number of things you can keep in your head or whatevz | 18:59 |
+perlDreamer | Plus, and it isn't released yet, but there is a TAP::Harness::Parallel, which works like make -j N | 18:59 |
@preaction | i can send you an example, i also did some reformatting with some lines and sections | 18:59 |
@preaction | ooooh | 18:59 |
+perlDreamer | yeah! | 18:59 |
+perlDreamer | we've been using it in parrot in a branch | 18:59 |
+perlDreamer | and the new prove will use it by default (prove from TAP::Harness/Test::Harness 2.99_3) | 19:00 |
@preaction | definately awesomecore | 19:00 |
+perlDreamer | but you have to take care about temporary files and the like | 19:00 |
@preaction | well, yeah | 19:00 |
@preaction | oh, i added some more methods to WebGUI::Test. i added my getPage and some more functions for getCollateralPath (you can pass in a filename now) | 19:01 |
+perlDreamer | nice | 19:01 |
+perlDreamer | and it does OS insensitive file joinery? | 19:01 |
@preaction | i think maybe not. i think i was bad-lazy and just appended a '/' | 19:03 |
+perlDreamer | well, that does work on modern Windows | 19:03 |
+perlDreamer | and no one I know runs WebGUI on VMS | 19:03 |
@preaction | it's in my branch for the photo gallery, https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/photogallery/WebGUI | 19:03 |
+perlDreamer | 7.5 merge? | 19:03 |
@preaction | it will when I'm done | 19:03 |
@preaction | i suppose I can merge some things back into 7.5 this week | 19:04 |
@preaction | well, WebGUI::Test::Maker is still looking for approval, not one of the devs i emailed it to have even looked at it yet | 19:04 |
+perlDreamer | how many other volunteer devs are there nowadays? | 19:04 |
@preaction | martin, yung, arjen was at the perl workshops so he might start, morgan, roy, ... we might be approaching 10 these days | 19:05 |
@preaction | 6 at least, maybe a dozen | 19:05 |
+perlDreamer | sweet | 19:06 |
@Khenn | preaction: did you merge all the stuff that was in the 7.5 pre-branch folder? | 19:06 |
@preaction | http://www.ohloh.net/projects/103?p=WebGUI <- a fun little website that tracks SVN commits | 19:06 |
@preaction | Khenn, no, nor the stuff that opal did for the Calendar/Event stuff | 19:07 |
@Khenn | ok | 19:07 |
@Khenn | we have to do that at some point | 19:07 |
@preaction | sounds like a good project for today | 19:07 |
@Khenn | and by we, I mean you of course =) | 19:07 |
@preaction | of course | 19:07 |
+perlDreamer | the royal "we" | 19:08 |
@Khenn | what is the best way to commit bug fixes now that we have branched? | 19:08 |
@preaction | are we sure nobody else has merged that stuff yet? | 19:08 |
@Khenn | should you fix in 7.4 and patch to 7.5? | 19:08 |
@Khenn | or the other way around? | 19:08 |
+perlDreamer | I commit them to trunk, then backport to branch | 19:08 |
@preaction | Khenn, make the bugfix in 7.4 and svn merge command | 19:08 |
@Khenn | k | 19:08 |
+perlDreamer | test in both | 19:08 |
@Khenn | ha | 19:09 |
@preaction | trunk is 7.4 still | 19:09 |
@Khenn | I work out of head | 19:09 |
@Khenn | should I stop that? | 19:09 |
@preaction | make sure you restrict the svn merge to a specific revision | 19:09 |
@preaction | head is a revision | 19:09 |
@preaction | trunk is a "branch" (just the "main" branch) | 19:09 |
@Khenn | right | 19:09 |
@Khenn | but I should probably check out that version | 19:09 |
@Khenn | and do bug fixing out of there | 19:09 |
@Khenn | I'll create a local copy of it | 19:09 |
+perlDreamer | dude, I think head is 7.5 | 19:10 |
@preaction | of the 7.5 branch? you have "trunk" now | 19:10 |
@preaction | really? | 19:10 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 19:10 |
+perlDreamer | there's a 7.4 branch | 19:10 |
@Khenn | yeah | 19:10 |
@Khenn | head is 7.5 | 19:10 |
+perlDreamer | and WebGUI.pm says 7.5 | 19:10 |
@preaction | ah | 19:10 |
@Khenn | that's what I thought | 19:10 |
@Khenn | I just upgraded this morning | 19:10 |
@Khenn | so I need a 7.4 branch | 19:10 |
@preaction | then i usually end up fixing in trunk (7.5) and then backporting the fix using svn merge | 19:10 |
@Khenn | and then I can patch it to 7.5 | 19:10 |
@preaction | you don't NEED it, but it will work just as well | 19:10 |
@Khenn | blech | 19:10 |
@Khenn | that's going to cause problems | 19:10 |
@preaction | (svn merge will do the same thing as what you'd do) | 19:10 |
+perlDreamer | yark! G::M borked my dev box | 19:10 |
@preaction | pd: nice | 19:11 |
@Khenn | ok | 19:11 |
@Khenn | I'll need to learn how to use svn merge | 19:11 |
+perlDreamer | if you can do svn diff, you can do merge | 19:11 |
+perlDreamer | it's pretty simple | 19:11 |
@Khenn | I'm guessing its not too difficult | 19:11 |
@Khenn | yeah | 19:11 |
@Khenn | just something I've never done | 19:11 |
@preaction | svn help merge, it basically does the same thing as: svn diff > file; mv file mybranch; cd mybranch; patch -p0 < file; svn ci | 19:11 |
@Khenn | right | 19:12 |
@preaction | plus, iirc, it will notify you of things it failed to merge, i don't know really though | 19:12 |
@preaction | dunno how it handles that | 19:12 |
+perlDreamer | I think it gives you the same status output as svn update | 19:13 |
+perlDreamer | going to try a reboot to fix the linker | 19:13 |
+perlDreamer | brb | 19:13 |
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@Khenn | preaction: I thought you said you had checked your work on the photo gallery into svn ... | 19:23 |
@preaction | i have my own branch i made | 19:23 |
@Khenn | i see | 19:23 |
@Khenn | what branch? | 19:23 |
@preaction | https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch <- the available branches | 19:24 |
@preaction | mines' photogallery | 19:24 |
@preaction | i made it before the 7.4 branch, and its something we should do to have a sandbox for large applications | 19:24 |
@preaction | "photogallery" | 19:24 |
@preaction | this way my stuff is backed up | 19:24 |
@Khenn | thanks | 19:24 |
@Khenn | I want to take a look at what you are doing with i18n | 19:24 |
@preaction | it's in the Photo asset iirc, i didn't do all the ideas i had, just the class method | 19:25 |
@preaction | feel free to comment though | 19:25 |
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@Khenn | k | 19:25 |
@preaction | oh, and you'll notice how i end up calling it: $class->SUPER::__PACKAGE__->i18n($session), which is ugly and needs to change | 19:25 |
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SynQ | jo! | 20:56 |
+MrHairgrease | Cone! | 20:57 |
SynQ | Martin! | 20:57 |
+MrHairgrease | Mr Martin to you! | 20:57 |
SynQ | my name is not cone | 20:57 |
SynQ | so I don't know why I respond | 20:58 |
+MrHairgrease | hehe | 20:58 |
+MrHairgrease | I was just typing that | 20:58 |
SynQ | I have to put down some feature requests now | 20:58 |
+MrHairgrease | you go do that | 20:58 |
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+perlDreamer | anyone seen Vrby? Jt's looking for him. | 21:10 |
@Khenn | he's not on the 6th floor | 21:10 |
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@preaction | rofl there's a "CMS Made Simple" CMS (in PHP, it's almost WebFUI) | 22:42 |
@preaction | we should sue for infringement | 22:42 |
@Khenn | url? | 22:42 |
@preaction | http://cmsmadesimple.org | 22:43 |
@Khenn | I didn't see anything special? what were we suing for? | 22:44 |
@Khenn | ah, the use of "Made Simple" eh? | 22:44 |
@Khenn | we are Web Done Right =p | 22:45 |
@preaction | CMS Made Simple v. Web Made Simple | 22:45 |
@preaction | ah, of course | 22:45 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction: ping | 22:46 |
@preaction | double-ewe tee eff? | 22:46 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/sorting-by-number-of-replies-not-sorting | 22:46 |
+perlDreamer | should replies be added back in, or template vars taken out? | 22:47 |
@preaction | i could've swore i copypasta'd the getThreadPaginator thing | 22:47 |
@preaction | hum... | 22:47 |
+perlDreamer | I think it predates that | 22:47 |
+perlDreamer | I'm guessing that this is an _old_ bug. | 22:48 |
+perlDreamer | Although it did use to work that way | 22:48 |
@preaction | so the template still exposes a URL for it to be sorted by number of replies? | 22:48 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 22:48 |
@preaction | imho, if that is there then it's a bug that should be fixed | 22:49 |
+perlDreamer | see getViewTemplateVars | 22:49 |
@Khenn | is it not supposed to ? | 22:49 |
+perlDreamer | that's the question | 22:49 |
@Khenn | We don't typically take functionality away | 22:49 |
@Haarg | i think this is due to what i changed recently | 22:49 |
@Khenn | my guess is it has to do with the bug fix they just did | 22:49 |
@Haarg | it used to allow sorting by any field | 22:49 |
+perlDreamer | Yes | 22:49 |
@preaction | why not? if it was insecure we could just use DBI->quote_identifier | 22:50 |
@Khenn | they just fixed that ancient bug which would sometimes not update the number of replies | 22:50 |
@preaction | that was a little different, and that's serious legacy | 22:50 |
@Khenn | ancient > serious legacy =) | 22:50 |
+perlDreamer | How 'bout if I go through the list of sortBy URLs and make sure they all work? | 22:50 |
@Khenn | It's broke because I don't think replies are stored in the database anymore | 22:51 |
@Khenn | I remember the column being dropped | 22:51 |
+perlDreamer | ...checking | 22:51 |
@Khenn | it's probably counting the lineage | 22:51 |
@Khenn | that would be my guess | 22:51 |
@preaction | which is what it should do, really | 22:51 |
@preaction | but that's slow like turtl | 22:52 |
@Khenn | yar | 22:52 |
+perlDreamer | that's what it does do, now | 22:53 |
+perlDreamer | the CS has a replies field and a threads field | 22:53 |
+perlDreamer | cached in the DB for speed, probably | 22:53 |
+perlDreamer | iy | 22:56 |
+perlDreamer | oy | 22:56 |
+perlDreamer | that whole sortBy needs to be abstracted into a method | 22:57 |
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@Khenn | heh | 23:14 |
@Khenn | port 6667 works down in on the 2nd floor through the other wireless network | 23:14 |
+perlDreamer | The hotel needs a bug list | 23:19 |
@Khenn | what bugs have you found? | 23:19 |
@Khenn | I haven't seen any ants or beetles =)) | 23:19 |
+perlDreamer | Tell JT that his article was published live on CIO.com | 23:22 |
@apeiron | perlDreamer, Tell Ryan/Tavis to announce CIO article at afternoon plenary per JT. | 23:30 |
+perlDreamer | message relayed | 23:31 |
+perlDreamer | just who are these non-IRC slackers, anyway? | 23:31 |
@preaction | they think they're important to the company i think | 23:32 |
+perlDreamer | actually, there are 4 CIO articles | 23:37 |
+perlDreamer | tavis is having kittens | 23:37 |
@preaction | rofl | 23:37 |
@preaction | not surprised | 23:37 |
@apeiron | Wow, four? shit. | 23:39 |
@preaction | whoa, keep it PC | 23:40 |
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+perlDreamer | hey, 6th floor guys! | 23:54 |
+perlDreamer | come on down for closing talk | 23:54 |
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@apeiron | preaction++ # helpful in meatspace | 00:13 |
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cryolai | If i have a file for download on WebGUI, how can I make it so that visitors do not have to create an account to access that file?? | 00:20 |
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@apeiron | ick, coffee shop wifi is not the place to download a 600 MB ISO image. | 01:08 |
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@apeiron | Am reading JT's articles on CIO and they tie in with his keynote really well, IMO. | 04:19 |
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SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:11 |
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@preaction | I'm down here on second floor with the COOL PEOPLE | 16:36 |
SynQ | I'm up here on sixth floor with the NERDS | 16:40 |
@preaction | yeah, but you get Chris Dolan's lecture, which is undeniably awesome | 16:41 |
@preaction | Perl::Critic++ | 16:41 |
SynQ | and Chris has exquisite pronounciation :) | 16:42 |
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@preaction | he's definately good at what he's doing, i'll give him that. i can only hope at 9:30 i can be half as good | 16:43 |
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+perlDreamer | he's here | 21:42 |
+perlDreamer | he's gone | 21:42 |
+perlDreamer | he's back, with a new name | 21:42 |
+perlDreamer | that one's gone, too | 21:42 |
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@preaction_ | i am empowered! | 22:21 |
+perlDreamer | I thought you were preaction :) | 22:22 |
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@empowered | nono, see? | 22:26 |
+perlDreamer | ah, yes | 22:26 |
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+perlDreamer | Got time for a bug check? | 22:26 |
@preaction | surely | 22:26 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/how-to-kill-a-webgui-website | 22:27 |
@preaction | oh, that's valid, it'll work | 22:27 |
@preaction | i wouldn't do it, but it'll work | 22:27 |
@preaction | basically forget to commit your new user login template and then log out | 22:27 |
@preaction | the fix would be, imho, not allowing uncommitted templates to be chosen there | 22:28 |
+perlDreamer | That's what I did. | 22:28 |
khenn_ | right | 22:28 |
@preaction | k, there's that new way to return errors from the settings page | 22:28 |
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@preaction | oh, wait, that was just for Auth modules | 22:28 |
+perlDreamer | Actually, I blocked it from the list of templates | 22:28 |
@preaction | oooooh, better idea | 22:28 |
+perlDreamer | Yeah, so changes to Asset::Template->getList, Form/Template.pm and Operation/Settings. | 22:29 |
@preaction | well, i dunno. they might be stuck in "OMG Where's my template!" hell | 22:29 |
+perlDreamer | How 'bout some additional hoverHelp for that one? | 22:29 |
@preaction | that would probably work | 22:30 |
+perlDreamer | added | 22:31 |
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+perlDreamer | has the changelog policy been changed? | 22:42 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 22:42 |
+perlDreamer | I mean, should this fix be against 7.4.11, or 7.5? | 22:42 |
@preaction | 7.4.11 | 22:43 |
+perlDreamer | there's way too much js in svn | 22:45 |
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+perlDreamer | no matter "what" the constructor is? | 22:52 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI::MyObject->construct ? | 22:53 |
+perlDreamer | does it use introspection? | 22:53 |
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SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:50 |
preaction | morning | 16:51 |
AMH_henry | afternoon | 16:53 |
preaction | you're not at the WUC? | 16:54 |
AMH_henry | me? nope | 16:55 |
preaction | one of your co-workers / constituents? | 16:57 |
preaction | i know someone presented some of the work that AMH was doing with webgui | 16:57 |
AMH_henry | yes, AMH_bob is there along with our boss | 16:57 |
preaction | ahh | 16:57 |
preaction | a lot more ppl here than i predicted, so it's hard to keep track of who everyone is, where they're from, etc... | 16:58 |
AMH_henry | have you seen the presentation? | 16:59 |
preaction | i dont think i saw the actual presentation, there was a BOF session about "What do you do with WebGUI" and someone from AMH showed off Swifty | 17:03 |
AMH_henry | ic... who do you think of it? | 17:03 |
AMH_henry | /who/what/ | 17:03 |
preaction | it's definately interesting, if necessarily a bit hackish | 17:03 |
preaction | does fix some problems with webgui being hard to use | 17:04 |
preaction | i like the wizard-like features of it | 17:04 |
preaction | JT really liked it too, and said he'd like to try to merge some of the ideas (if not some of the code) into WebGUI | 17:04 |
preaction | JT showed off some screenshots of a potential future admin interface that isn't as wizard-like (which is a drawback), but is easier than the current admin interface | 17:05 |
AMH_henry | yeah, i've seen those screenshots. more ajax like. that's nice. in the current form, swifty is very limited. i hope we can add some for ajax too. | 17:08 |
preaction | yeah, there's so much that can be done with improving the admin interface it's hard to know where to start ;) | 17:10 |
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* apeiron push @projects, "module to format code for presentations"; | 17:33 | |
nuba | apeiron: long time ago i used to choose a nice colorscheme on vim, then export that as HTML | 17:59 |
nuba | apeiron: i remember it was easy to touch it up afterwards | 17:59 |
nuba | those are a teacher's delight: syntax-colored programming assignments | 18:04 |
nuba | :D | 18:05 |
@apeiron | e.g. for presentations. :) | 18:05 |
nuba | yeah imagine how you'd feel when, after reading pages and pages of monotonous monochromatic (and sometimes problematic) code, someone turns a colorful code page for review | 18:07 |
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nuba | heh | 18:11 |
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knowma1 | what is the url for the online api docs? | 18:24 |
preaction | http://www.plainblack.com/downloads/builds/7.4.10-stable/api/ | 18:26 |
preaction | replace 7.4.10-stable as you will | 18:26 |
knowma1 | thank you | 18:27 |
preaction | IT'S SHOWTIME! | 18:39 |
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nuba | is preaction presenting something at the wuc? | 18:50 |
Toptyg | Hi all can I run webgui under apache 13 ? | 18:51 |
nuba | Toptyg: its not supported anymore, you should look for apache2+modperl2 | 18:53 |
nuba | its been like that since the 7.x series.. | 18:54 |
nuba | you can try your luck with older releases, but you'll be missing a lot of stuff | 18:55 |
nuba | whats your scenario? | 18:55 |
Toptyg | heh | 18:56 |
Toptyg | can I use fcgi perl? | 18:56 |
nuba | if possible, you should go for running webgui with the WRE | 18:56 |
nuba | you need modperl | 18:57 |
Toptyg | I woona use Nginx ... | 18:57 |
nuba | nginx? | 18:57 |
nuba | is that edible? | 18:57 |
Toptyg | yes | 18:57 |
nuba | oh i remember seeing about it once.. fastmail's imap proxy of choice | 18:58 |
Toptyg | I may use Nginx+ apache.. | 18:58 |
nuba | well you should know that there's a fine-tuned reverse proxy already being shipped with the WRE | 18:59 |
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nuba | a slim apache doing mod_proxy stuff | 18:59 |
Toptyg | Better use Apache 2.2 or 2.0 ? | 19:00 |
nuba | then a fatty apache doing the webgui magik | 19:00 |
nuba | better use the WRE | 19:00 |
Toptyg | Nginx it front-end ...he cool work with static.. | 19:00 |
nuba | all you need to run webgui is in the WRE, you should donwload it and inspect the package, then you'll understand it better | 19:01 |
Toptyg | what is the wre ? ) | 19:02 |
nuba | of course, youre not obligated to use everything from the WRE, you can just choose not use wre's mod_proxy-enabled apache and use nginx instead | 19:02 |
nuba | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=51417&package_id=148913 | 19:03 |
Toptyg | Why does not exist port for freebsd? with webgui | 19:04 |
Toptyg | aaa | 19:04 |
nuba | maybe cause no one made one yet?... | 19:04 |
Toptyg | I use Freebsd :) | 19:05 |
nuba | would be nice to do cd /usr/ports/www/webgui; make install | 19:05 |
nuba | i use mostly freebsd too | 19:07 |
Toptyg | heh no exist in my collection ) try to find in site.. | 19:07 |
nuba | you would need to work a bit on webgui's directory tree to make it work accordingly to freebsd's filesystem layout | 19:09 |
Toptyg | ugu i all understand.. | 19:10 |
nuba | yeah, man 7 hier | 19:10 |
Toptyg | I am fron Russia.. I know http://4site.ru CMS on perl.. | 19:11 |
Toptyg | but webgui better on first apinion | 19:12 |
Toptyg | many people say that in 4site many sql selection | 19:13 |
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Toptyg | and they load server more | 19:14 |
nuba | i dont quite get what youre saying, would it be "you hear on 4site people saying that webgui does too many sql queries and causes a higher load in the server"? | 19:14 |
Toptyg | no on site 4site I see warning that for use 4site cms too more SQL selets.. | 19:18 |
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Toptyg | >50 sql request per script | 19:22 |
nuba | well webgui is sql-query-happy too... but webgui's developers are very performance-conscious here as well, so you can kinda assume things arent being dully designed and your resources arent being wasted when youre running it | 19:25 |
nuba | also theres caching, which usually improves things a lot | 19:27 |
Toptyg | :) ok | 19:27 |
Toptyg | U developer webgui? ) | 19:28 |
Toptyg | are | 19:28 |
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nuba | no, im not an official developer nor associated with plainblack, but yeah, im writing some code which I plan to contribute back to the community | 19:31 |
nuba | if that turns into an habit I may even become more involved or take on a bigger role, but right now im just a power-user | 19:32 |
nuba | who hangs in #webgui | 19:32 |
Toptyg | heh I need go... that is webgui no in ports of bsd is not cool ) many cms add ports for freebsd ) drupal phpbb typa3 ... | 19:33 |
nuba | these are on a different league | 19:34 |
nuba | you should go to demo.plainblack.com and get yourself a running instance of webgui to play with | 19:35 |
nuba | then look at all the stuff in the WRE | 19:35 |
nuba | then you'll understand why i say "they're a different league" | 19:36 |
Toptyg | ) I have done it yet | 19:36 |
Toptyg | thx for help. bye | 19:37 |
nuba | it may be that your needs are satisfied with something simpler like frupal or phpbb..if so, then maybe using webgui is overkill for you.. | 19:37 |
nuba | bye | 19:37 |
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@khenn | Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrgggggg | 20:55 |
@reaction | wheeeee | 21:04 |
@reaction | perlbot, 8ball Will people confuse me for preaction? | 21:14 |
perlbot | Magic 8ball says: Yes | 21:14 |
nuba | you can try postaction too, its not taken yet i guess.. | 21:21 |
AMH_bob | Hey khenn, you're active in IRC!!!! | 21:50 |
@khenn | active? I wouldn't go that far = | 21:50 |
AMH_bob | :P | 21:51 |
@khenn | I just recently learned how to make the IRC client on the mac alert me | 21:51 |
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dionak | in the monthly calendar view, what's the variable to get the url of the previous and next months? i thought it was prevPageUrl and nextPageUrl... but that's sending me back to the previous year and next year. | 22:13 |
@khenn | reaction would know that | 22:14 |
preaction | dionak, currently there is no way. the "page" is named such because of a future consideration of showing multiple months | 22:15 |
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preaction | perhaps it would make more sense to change it to nextYear and then make nextPage work the way you want it to | 22:15 |
dionak | that makes sense. thanks. | 22:16 |
@khenn | there is a way to page through months | 22:16 |
@khenn | each month should have a URL | 22:16 |
preaction | its a loop | 22:16 |
@khenn | does it use a month abbreviation? | 22:16 |
@khenn | it passes in a dateformat or something right? | 22:16 |
dionak | yes, a date format | 22:16 |
preaction | you could write an HTML::Template::Expr template, sure | 22:16 |
dionak | that's an idea | 22:17 |
@khenn | you could write a macro to compute the next and previous date formats | 22:17 |
@khenn | not sure what you'd do with HTML::Template::Expr | 22:17 |
preaction | using some more evilness, when since you're a comitter all you have to do is submit the RFE, fix it, and it'll be the way you want it | 22:17 |
dionak | hm...yes. i'm under a tight timeline but i'll see what i can do. | 22:18 |
@khenn | the macro should be like 3 lines of code | 22:19 |
preaction | so would the addition of a prevMonthUrl and nextMonthUrl :p | 22:19 |
preaction | that would be useful to everyone | 22:19 |
@khenn | $session->datetime->add($currentmonth,0,1,1); | 22:19 |
@khenn | or something | 22:19 |
dionak | cool, thanks. i'll look into it | 22:20 |
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ckotil | whats the string to append to get the print view? | 23:38 |
@khenn | print view of what? | 23:40 |
ckotil | anything, using the fail safe template. | 23:40 |
ckotil | page layout for instance. | 23:40 |
@khenn | oh | 23:40 |
@khenn | to see the raw content of an asset from the url? | 23:40 |
ckotil | yeah. i thought there was something you could append to the url. | 23:41 |
@khenn | ?func=ajaxInlineView | 23:42 |
ckotil | sweet. thanks khenn | 23:42 |
ckotil | wow. thats pefect actually. I created a special template at the request of my service desk for organizing a 'playbook' | 23:43 |
ckotil | they neglected to mention they wanted to print it from their browsers. | 23:43 |
ckotil | well this solves that ;) | 23:43 |
@khenn | cool | 23:44 |
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SDuensin | Why does WebGUI hate me? | 05:59 |
SDuensin | I have a pending version and Spectre says there are zero workflows to process. | 05:59 |
* SDuensin sighs | 05:59 | |
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dionak | i'm wanting to go through and entire site's article collection, search for a string and replace it. it's a domain name that is prefixing all the links in articles. has anyone done this? not sure if anyone is actually online today either. ;) | 20:32 |
dionak | frank inspired me to do this with a script and i'm not sure if i should pull the records straight from the db or pull objects for the articles. | 20:33 |
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cap10morgan | dionak: you can do that w/ a utility script | 21:15 |
cap10morgan | you can pull all assets of a certain class (in this case, WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Article) | 21:16 |
cap10morgan | and then edit them however you want and commit the version tag | 21:16 |
cap10morgan | (all from the script) | 21:16 |
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dionak | yes, that's pretty much my plan but i'm trying to see how to pull all the article assets and edit the description. | 21:45 |
cap10morgan | well, for pulling the articles, you'd do... | 21:45 |
cap10morgan | i'm doing something similar in another script, let me pull it up | 21:47 |
dionak | k | 21:47 |
dionak | ok, i've got all the articles as article objects and have the search and replace working. should i create a new revision? thinking yes.. | 22:13 |
dionak | i think i've got it but would still love to see your code. | 22:49 |
cap10morgan | dionak: sorry, lunch called :) | 23:15 |
cap10morgan | ok, here's what my code does: | 23:15 |
dionak | np. | 23:15 |
cap10morgan | I'm getting collab systems, so I have: | 23:16 |
cap10morgan | my $root = WebGUI::Asset->getRoot($session); | 23:16 |
cap10morgan | my $collabSystems = $root->getLineage(['self','descendants'], {returnObjects=>1, includeOnlyClasses=>\@exportClasses}); | 23:18 |
cap10morgan | oops, and @exportClasses is an array w/ one element: | 23:18 |
cap10morgan | my @exportClasses = ['WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Article']; (in your case) | 23:19 |
dionak | interesting... | 23:19 |
dionak | i ended up doing the following | 23:21 |
dionak | select | 23:21 |
dionak | asset.assetId | 23:21 |
dionak | from | 23:21 |
dionak | asset | 23:21 |
dionak | join assetData on asset.assetId=assetData.assetId | 23:21 |
dionak | where | 23:21 |
dionak | asset.className='WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Article' | 23:22 |
dionak | order by | 23:22 |
dionak | assetData.revisionDate desc | 23:22 |
dionak | my @articles = $db->buildArray($sql); | 23:22 |
dionak | sorry for the paste | 23:22 |
dionak | then called new on each assetId | 23:22 |
cap10morgan | it should be fine to do something like that, a couple things to bear in mind: | 23:23 |
cap10morgan | 1. doing things against the db could break in the future, but if this is strictly a one-off thing, that's ok | 23:23 |
cap10morgan | 2. this will get you multiple instances of many assets | 23:23 |
cap10morgan | since there will be multiple revisions in there | 23:23 |
dionak | it updates every revision doesn't it? | 23:24 |
cap10morgan | however, when you call new, it should default to returning the newest revision | 23:24 |
dionak | oh, ok. | 23:24 |
dionak | i get it | 23:24 |
dionak | this is a one off mass edit. | 23:24 |
cap10morgan | i try to do things w/ the API as much as possible because my "one-off" scripts usually end up being used more often than I intended | 23:24 |
cap10morgan | :) | 23:24 |
cap10morgan | but this should work | 23:25 |
cap10morgan | really, for that query, you shouldn't even need to join w/ assetData | 23:26 |
dionak | oh yea, you're right. especially since i'm calling new with the assetId to get the object. | 23:26 |
@khenn | dionak: you are going to get all of the articles that way | 23:26 |
dionak | yes, that was my intention. every article on the site. | 23:27 |
@khenn | not the latest revision | 23:27 |
@khenn | right, but you'll get all the revisions of all the articles | 23:27 |
cap10morgan | not if she calls WebGUI::Asset::new on the assetId's | 23:27 |
dionak | yes, i see. but then calling new returns the latest revision. i should probably have done a group by to reduce the rows. | 23:27 |
cap10morgan | that defaults to just returning her the latest revision for each asset | 23:27 |
@khenn | what will happen is a bunch of errors | 23:28 |
dionak | is there a way in the api to return every instance of a particular asset? instead of the db select i used? | 23:28 |
@khenn | new will not return a valid asset | 23:28 |
@khenn | yes | 23:28 |
@khenn | instantiate the root | 23:28 |
@khenn | or the root url | 23:28 |
dionak | ok, like cap10morgan's example | 23:28 |
@khenn | $asset->getLineage | 23:28 |
cap10morgan | oh, hey Frank :) | 23:29 |
@khenn | get all the descendants of the root | 23:29 |
cap10morgan | yeah, listen to khenn, he knows more than me :) | 23:29 |
@khenn | that are of type article | 23:29 |
@khenn | the getLineage method will also return you the asset | 23:29 |
@khenn | the latest revision of the asset too | 23:29 |
dionak | right on...thanks. | 23:30 |
@khenn | then you can loop of the results and do a $asset->update{ description=> ... }; | 23:30 |
dionak | the docs seem to conflict between the update method and the addRevision method, btw. | 23:30 |
dionak | the POD for update says if you want to create a new revision, use addRevision. | 23:30 |
dionak | then addRevision says that programmers don't want to use addRevision directly but rather update() | 23:31 |
dionak | just fyi | 23:31 |
@khenn | right | 23:31 |
@khenn | that's true | 23:31 |
@khenn | if you want to add a new revision, you should use addRevision | 23:32 |
@khenn | if you do ->update | 23:32 |
@khenn | it will update w/o creating a new revision | 23:32 |
dionak | ok. makes a little more sense. | 23:32 |
dionak | khenn, are you frank? | 23:33 |
@khenn | yep | 23:33 |
@khenn | how was the flight home? | 23:33 |
@khenn | =) | 23:33 |
dionak | cool. thanks again for the presentation. i used it today to massively import 130+ articles. :) | 23:33 |
@khenn | great! | 23:33 |
dionak | the flight was very easy, both of them. have another tomorrow to Montreal. | 23:34 |
dionak | so i'm trying to knock some stuff out today. :) | 23:34 |
@khenn | I'm just hanging out. Fooling around with YUI | 23:34 |
dionak | YUI's cool. i've been doing a lot with it lately. i learned a lot writing an article about it recently. | 23:35 |
dionak | i've got a lightbox prototype in YUI. | 23:35 |
@khenn | I'm going to be adding ajax to some of the form fields | 23:36 |
dionak | would love to see it when you get it... | 23:38 |
dionak | quick question. macros should work in calendar templates right? | 23:40 |
dionak | oh, nvrmind | 23:41 |
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SDuensin | Anybody alive tonight? | 04:01 |
@preaction | of courses | 04:02 |
SDuensin | I have a problem with Spectre that I can't find. :-( | 04:03 |
SDuensin | I committed some changes and they show as "Pending". Spectre doesn't see them. | 04:03 |
SDuensin | spectre.pl --test passes just fine. | 04:04 |
SDuensin | And a --status shows zero for everything. | 04:04 |
@preaction | commit with or without approval? | 04:05 |
@preaction | perlbot step 1 | 04:05 |
perlbot | No matter what, step 1 is always "Check the Error Log" | 04:05 |
SDuensin | I did step 1. :-P | 04:05 |
@preaction | yes, but you did not tell me that you did | 04:05 |
SDuensin | Hey, if it was easy, I'd have fixed it. :-P | 04:05 |
@preaction | this is tech support, unfortunately i have to start at the basics. when you assume you make an ass out of... you know | 04:06 |
@preaction | next step: check the WorkflowInstance table, pastebin it somewhere | 04:06 |
SDuensin | I know. I've done my fair share of support. Users suck. | 04:06 |
@preaction | more importantly: make sure the tagId => "blah" matches up with the right tagId | 04:07 |
@preaction | did you stop spectre and then run it with --run --debug ? | 04:07 |
SDuensin | There's a lot of nulls in that table. That's bad, isn't it? | 04:08 |
@preaction | let me see the pastebin | 04:08 |
SDuensin | Working on it. | 04:08 |
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SDuensin | http://pastebin.com/m60563432 | 04:09 |
@preaction | it just means that none of them have run yet | 04:11 |
SDuensin | Ah, ok. | 04:11 |
SDuensin | Lemme do --run --debug. | 04:11 |
@preaction | the null object with the null parameters is a little weird, probaly means it was made incorrectly but not erroneously | 04:12 |
@preaction | (there's no problem there at all, i mean) | 04:12 |
SDuensin | Ut oh. I have a few sites that say: | 04:13 |
SDuensin | ADMIN: [Error] Couldn't fetch Spectre configuration data for www.cloudcircle.com.conf | 04:13 |
SDuensin | Where is it trying to fetch from? | 04:14 |
@preaction | the first sitename in your configuration | 04:16 |
@preaction | and the port specified in spectre.conf | 04:16 |
@preaction | the usual fix for this is to add that sitename to your /etc/hosts file | 04:17 |
SDuensin | How do I know what is the first site name? Alphabetical? Random? | 04:17 |
@preaction | it's a list. | 04:17 |
@preaction | the first one in the list | 04:17 |
@preaction | "sitename" : ['a','list','of','sitenames'], | 04:18 |
@preaction | "a" would be the one spectre tries to connect to | 04:18 |
SDuensin | Looking for that. | 04:18 |
SDuensin | Wonder why it can't find it? Pings fine. | 04:20 |
@preaction | from where? | 04:20 |
SDuensin | The box WebGUI runs on. | 04:20 |
@preaction | is that the box spectre runs on? | 04:20 |
SDuensin | Yes. | 04:20 |
@preaction | can you run "wget <sitename>/?op=spectreGetSiteData" and pastebin the output? | 04:21 |
@preaction | i think that's what it is | 04:21 |
SDuensin | Checking. | 04:21 |
SDuensin | It returns the home page of the site (currently the WebGUI default page). | 04:23 |
SDuensin | That's not right, yea? | 04:23 |
@preaction | there should be something in the error log then | 04:23 |
SDuensin | 2007/10/21 04:39:48 - ERROR - www.cloudcircle.com.conf - main::[[undef]] - Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::Spectre::www_spectreGetSiteData. Root cause: Can't call method "get" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Spectre.pm line 53. | 04:24 |
@preaction | now we're getting somewhere | 04:25 |
SDuensin | :-) | 04:25 |
SDuensin | Really. I looked in the log before. :-) | 04:25 |
@preaction | suuuuure | 04:25 |
SDuensin | :-P | 04:25 |
@preaction | it was probably a ways up there (since spectre tries only once to connect to a site) | 04:25 |
SDuensin | <preaction> Damn users. | 04:25 |
@preaction | unfortunately, my line 53 is probably very different, since i see no "get" on there at all | 04:26 |
@preaction | you're gonna have to let me know what line 53 is | 04:26 |
SDuensin | Pastebin coming. | 04:26 |
@preaction | i imagine it's $instance->getWorkflow->get("enabled"); | 04:26 |
@preaction | which i think means that the workflow is gone | 04:27 |
@preaction | did you delete a workflow recently? | 04:27 |
SDuensin | Nope. Pretty much a brand new site. | 04:27 |
SDuensin | I'd just delete it and make a new one, except it's not the only site doing this. | 04:27 |
@preaction | then on any of those sites have you deleted workflows? | 04:28 |
@preaction | have you run testEnvironment.pl recently? | 04:28 |
SDuensin | testEnvironment.pl passes with flying colors. | 04:28 |
SDuensin | And you're correct about what line 53 is. | 04:28 |
@preaction | any mention in the modperl error log about use/import errors? | 04:28 |
SDuensin | I don't know if anything has been deleted. I'm not the webmaster on all these sites. | 04:28 |
@preaction | hell... | 04:28 |
SDuensin | Looking. | 04:28 |
SDuensin | A crapload of "Apache2::SizeLimit httpd process too big" lines | 04:30 |
@preaction | eh, it can't be what i thought since deleting a workflow deletes all the instances of that workflow | 04:30 |
@preaction | that's not good... | 04:30 |
@preaction | i forget how to configure that, i believe it's something in preload.perl | 04:30 |
SDuensin | Nothing with me ever is. | 04:30 |
@preaction | but, that shouldn't be related to what the problem is | 04:31 |
SDuensin | You guys need to inform WebGUI that I'm it's greatest fan and that it needs to quit screwing with me. | 04:31 |
@preaction | any custom code running on here? | 04:31 |
SDuensin | None. | 04:31 |
@preaction | curiouser and curiouser | 04:31 |
SDuensin | I'm at 7.4.8 (I think) and am scared to upgrade until this is resolved. | 04:31 |
@preaction | oh, uhm... you might want to do it anyway, since there's at least one bug in 7.4.8 that could cause something like this | 04:32 |
SDuensin | Ok. Going to check my backup real fast. If it's current, I'll do it right now. | 04:32 |
@preaction | plus, we can be sure that it isn't an old bug before we start a new bug report here | 04:33 |
@preaction | at the very least, we have the problem with an object not being checked before a method is called on it | 04:33 |
@preaction | one of the problems with being optimistic about object constructors: something always goes wrong | 04:34 |
SDuensin | Upgrading. | 04:37 |
SDuensin | Ok, I'm scared. | 04:41 |
SDuensin | It thinks I have 7.3.22. Database upgrades seem to be going fine though. | 04:42 |
@preaction | uhm. | 04:42 |
@preaction | uhhhmm..... | 04:42 |
SDuensin | rc.webgui restart(ing) | 04:43 |
SDuensin | Well, sites seem to work. Dunno WTF that was about. | 04:45 |
SDuensin | Same crap with Spectre though. | 04:46 |
@preaction | i'd post a bug about it | 04:47 |
@preaction | i assume the line number changed | 04:47 |
SDuensin | #68 now | 04:47 |
@preaction | which matches to what one i have | 04:48 |
SDuensin | How do I even file this? I don't even know what's wrong. "Spectre is broken" isn't a very good bug report. | 04:48 |
SDuensin | And can it be hacked around to fix it? | 04:48 |
@preaction | for some reason there's a workflow instance that doesn't seem to have a valid workflow | 04:48 |
@preaction | valid workflow meaning that either the workflow can't be instanciated or it just doesn't exist anymore | 04:49 |
SDuensin | So how's that relate to the version tag? I can see it in the admin panel. | 04:50 |
@preaction | it might, it might not | 04:50 |
@preaction | i don't know what workflow it is | 04:50 |
@preaction | might want to match up the workflowId in the workflow table with the ones in the workflowInstance table and see if there are any descrepencies | 04:50 |
@preaction | otherwise i dunno | 04:51 |
* SDuensin wishes he had a better MySQL tool on that box. | 04:51 | |
SDuensin | The only valid ones I see are a "Commit without approval" and "Send email". The others are null. That's (still) odd. | 04:55 |
* SDuensin fears for his server. | 04:58 | |
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SDuensin | Hey, preaction - the sites that don't work all seem to have nulls in the database. | 05:00 |
SDuensin | Removing the nulls from one of them made Spectre happier. | 05:06 |
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dj_perl | Hello, anyone home? | 10:20 |
dj_perl | I'm looking for a way to log all HTTP traffic between my browser and my web server. Wireshark is too low level. Apache mod_tee is not usable. Any suggestions? | 10:22 |
nuba | tcpdump? ethereal? | 11:01 |
nuba | ethereal is very conversation-tracking-friendly | 11:02 |
+Radix-wrk | iptraf | 11:04 |
nuba | it'll collect the payload, filter, and decode to present it to you in a very human-friendly way | 11:04 |
nuba | and it supports lots of protocols | 11:05 |
dj_perl | Yep, ethreal is now Wireshark. I haven't figured out how to get a human-readable http conversation out of it. | 11:07 |
dj_perl | But if you say it can, I'll investigate further with wireshark. | 11:08 |
dj_perl | Thanks! | 11:08 |
nuba | whoa its been almost an year since it was renamed | 11:08 |
nuba | i never needed to update the install I had, so I didnt even notice | 11:09 |
nuba | you want HTTP only, or HTTPS too? | 11:10 |
+Radix-wrk | heh.. from Wireshark's trademarks list - "...Rooty Tooty Fresh 'N Fruity is a registered trademark of IHOP Corporation..." | 11:11 |
nuba | cause you may want to look into firefox's livehttpheaders extension if you need HTTPS too | 11:11 |
dj_perl | I'm happy with http for my purpose at hand. | 11:12 |
+Radix-wrk | What's wrong with apache's normal logging functionality? | 11:12 |
+Radix-wrk | Something being lost in the middle? | 11:12 |
dj_perl | Yes, cookie headers. | 11:13 |
nuba | well are you being able to capture with ethereal and see captured packets lists? | 11:13 |
dj_perl | I have an Objective-C client that gets cookies fine from the PHP gallery web service, but not from my reverse-engineered web service. | 11:13 |
dj_perl | Yes, I can see the packet lists, but they're not very human-readable. | 11:14 |
nuba | ok, so, right click in a HTTP conversation (i suppose they' re hilighted as green in wireshark as well) | 11:14 |
dj_perl | Since I'm using a custom http client, livehttpheaders is of limited use. | 11:15 |
nuba | and select "follow conversation" | 11:15 |
nuba | it'll then present you the entire talk between the server and the client | 11:15 |
dj_perl | Excellent, I'll try it and let you know. | 11:15 |
nuba | now im telling this from memory, i dont have ethereal in this box right now | 11:15 |
nuba | so look for something in these lines, shouldn't be to different from what ive said | 11:16 |
nuba | too* | 11:17 |
nuba | its a lovely piece of software :) | 11:17 |
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@apeiron | Good morning, #webgui! | 17:07 |
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MrHairgreas1 | Khenn | 17:15 |
MrHairgreas1 | how did you survive last saturday? | 17:15 |
MrHairgreas1 | was it as expected? | 17:15 |
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@khenn | how did I survive? | 17:25 |
@khenn | =) | 17:25 |
+MrHairgrease | well | 17:25 |
+MrHairgrease | you still seem to be able to write | 17:26 |
+MrHairgrease | which is a good sign i think | 17:26 |
@khenn | I slept most of Saturday | 17:26 |
+MrHairgrease | ah | 17:26 |
+MrHairgrease | I think that would've been for the best | 17:26 |
+MrHairgrease | =) | 17:26 |
@khenn | I woke up around 6pm feeling great in fact | 17:27 |
+MrHairgrease | Koen and I were not feeling all that well too | 17:27 |
+MrHairgrease | at around 6 i was feeling good agin too | 17:27 |
+MrHairgrease | So | 17:27 |
+MrHairgrease | when are you comming to the netherlands | 17:27 |
+MrHairgrease | so we can do it all over again | 17:27 |
+MrHairgrease | but with dutch beers | 17:27 |
+MrHairgrease | =) | 17:28 |
@khenn | Have a European WUC and I can expense it =) | 17:28 |
+MrHairgrease | hehe | 17:29 |
@khenn | with the 5000 Euros per dollar conversion rate, it is too expensive for me to drink there | 17:29 |
+MrHairgrease | hmmm | 17:29 |
+MrHairgrease | that's something i hadn't considred yet... | 17:29 |
+MrHairgrease | you could ask jt to pay your salary in euro though | 17:29 |
@khenn | actually, my wife and I have been talking about going to Europe. She wants to go to England but I could convince her to visit Holland instead =) | 17:30 |
@khenn | maybe in a year or two | 17:30 |
@khenn | and JT is too smart for that | 17:30 |
+MrHairgrease | if you go to england anyway you should visit some countries on the continent as well | 17:31 |
+MrHairgrease | you should ask jesse | 17:31 |
+MrHairgrease | he's done a complete eurotour/ | 17:31 |
+MrHairgrease | he could probably tell you about the highlights | 17:31 |
+MrHairgrease | delft is obviously one of those =) | 17:31 |
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+MrHairgrease | so where are all the other wuc foto's | 17:33 |
+MrHairgrease | i know tavis took more than are on the site right now | 17:34 |
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Radix__ | delft was definitely one of the highlights for me, I enjoyed my time there immensely :) | 18:17 |
Radix__ | and the lovely beer helped :) | 18:17 |
Radix__ | and with that, I'm off to bed :) | 18:17 |
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wgGuest99 | What do I do after downloading WRE 0.8.0 ? | 18:23 |
+MrHairgrease | create a /data directory | 18:26 |
+MrHairgrease | cd to that directory | 18:26 |
+MrHairgrease | untar the archive there | 18:26 |
wgGuest99 | ok, did that | 18:26 |
+MrHairgrease | cd to /data/wre/docs | 18:26 |
+MrHairgrease | read install.txt | 18:26 |
+MrHairgrease | and follow the instructions | 18:27 |
+MrHairgrease | i take it you downloaded a pre compiled binary btw right? | 18:28 |
wgGuest99 | yes | 18:28 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 18:28 |
wgGuest99 | the instructions are kind of hard to read in notepad | 18:28 |
@apeiron | eep | 18:29 |
@apeiron | Well, at least you don't have to build it on Windows. :) | 18:29 |
+MrHairgrease | i dunno anything about the windows wre | 18:29 |
+MrHairgrease | it looks screwed in notepad b/c notepad cannot cope with unix linebreaks | 18:30 |
+MrHairgrease | try open it in another editor in stead | 18:30 |
wgGuest99 | ok | 18:30 |
+MrHairgrease | i think word must be able to display it correctly | 18:30 |
+MrHairgrease | other than that | 18:30 |
wgGuest99 | ok, muck better in Internet Explorer | 18:30 |
+MrHairgrease | i hav no experience with the windows wre whatsoever | 18:30 |
@khenn | wordpad | 18:31 |
wgGuest99 | Are all of the commands in install.txt document done in linux? | 18:33 |
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knowmad | has anyone exported Root as a package for doing a site migration? did you have problems with timeouts when importing to the new server? | 18:44 |
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+MrHairgrease | knowmad: never tried that | 18:44 |
+MrHairgrease | but i can right now | 18:45 |
+MrHairgrease | hold on | 18:45 |
knowmad | yeah, me either. i don't recommend it. | 18:45 |
+MrHairgrease | does it bork the system? | 18:46 |
knowmad | fortunately, no; it just doesn't load up the pkg | 18:46 |
+MrHairgrease | i'm not sure you'll want to export the root anyway | 18:47 |
+MrHairgrease | there's an enormous amount of duplicated data | 18:47 |
+MrHairgrease | in th eimport node | 18:47 |
knowmad | yeah | 18:47 |
+MrHairgrease | well | 18:48 |
+MrHairgrease | just tried it | 18:48 |
+MrHairgrease | and it does output a wgpgk file | 18:49 |
+MrHairgrease | it's only 5 MB | 18:49 |
knowmad | mine is 8mb | 18:49 |
+MrHairgrease | so I'm not sure if that's correct | 18:49 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 18:49 |
+MrHairgrease | mine is on a pretty much vanilla site | 18:49 |
+MrHairgrease | so that would explain the differenece | 18:49 |
knowmad | yeah | 18:50 |
@Haarg | package import is another thing that should probably be able to be done via workflow | 18:50 |
+MrHairgrease | haarg: indeed | 18:50 |
+MrHairgrease | trying importing it now | 18:50 |
knowmad | ok | 18:51 |
+MrHairgrease | i get a problem with request | 18:52 |
+MrHairgrease | oh crap | 18:52 |
knowmad | when you imported? | 18:52 |
+MrHairgrease | that's because I don't have the memory wobject installed on that site | 18:53 |
+MrHairgrease | so it couldn't import that asset | 18:53 |
knowmad | so when the pkg was being it died? | 18:54 |
+MrHairgrease | but up until that moment | 18:54 |
+MrHairgrease | it did import stuff | 18:54 |
knowmad | so if you add the memory wobject, it will prob. import successfully | 18:55 |
+MrHairgrease | think so | 18:55 |
+MrHairgrease | the cool thing is | 18:55 |
knowmad | is there a way to fire off the package load from command line? | 18:55 |
knowmad | that way i could upload to server then import via command line | 18:55 |
+MrHairgrease | that the root node isn't imported below the place where you import | 18:56 |
knowmad | are you asking or telling? | 18:56 |
+MrHairgrease | b/c the root node's assetid is the same on all sits | 18:56 |
+MrHairgrease | telling | 18:56 |
+MrHairgrease | so | 18:56 |
knowmad | so it will always import to root | 18:56 |
knowmad | ? | 18:56 |
+MrHairgrease | if you use this approach | 18:56 |
+MrHairgrease | then it'll prolly always import under root | 18:57 |
knowmad | that's a good thing | 18:57 |
+MrHairgrease | and make new revisions for all overlapping assets | 18:57 |
+MrHairgrease | those with identical assetids | 18:57 |
+MrHairgrease | which are only those that ship with webgui | 18:57 |
+MrHairgrease | in order to do it commandline | 18:58 |
+MrHairgrease | you should make a utility script | 18:58 |
+MrHairgrease | it's not that hard | 18:58 |
+MrHairgrease | all the code is in WebGUI::AssetPackage | 18:59 |
+MrHairgrease | you should do something like | 18:59 |
+MrHairgrease | create a temp storage location | 18:59 |
+MrHairgrease | addFromFileSystem the package to that storage | 19:00 |
+MrHairgrease | call $root->importPackage($storage) | 19:00 |
+MrHairgrease | backup first ofcourse =) | 19:00 |
knowmad | thanks MHG | 19:02 |
+MrHairgrease | np | 19:02 |
knowmad | i think i'm going to do this the old-fashioned way and dump db and restore on server | 19:08 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 19:08 |
+MrHairgrease | i can imagine importing's not the best way to copy sites anyway | 19:09 |
knowmad | ok, so now i'm running into upgrade problems (sigh)..... | 19:42 |
knowmad | has anyone who has upgraded from 7.3.22 to 7.4.0 hit the following error ---- DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table 'assetKeyword' already exists | 19:43 |
knowmad | oh, sh**, nevermind. i forgot to dump the tables before importing from 7.3.22 | 19:43 |
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wgGuest57 | I'm trying to install WebGUI Runtime Environment | 19:49 |
wgGuest57 | its asking me to put in password when I put in wreconsole.pl | 19:51 |
wgGuest57 | sudo wreconsole.pl | 19:52 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah | 19:52 |
+MrHairgrease | you have to enter your pw if you sudo stuff | 19:52 |
wgGuest57 | when I just type in .setenvironment.sh and wreconsole.pl on the linux system it doesn't do anything | 19:54 |
+MrHairgrease | you'll have to execute those from /data/wre/sbin | 19:55 |
+MrHairgrease | and you should use sudo ./wreconsole.pl | 19:55 |
+MrHairgrease | to start everything the best thing you could do is this | 19:56 |
+MrHairgrease | sudo -i | 19:56 |
+MrHairgrease | cd /data/wre/sbin | 19:56 |
wgGuest57 | it asking for a password ? | 19:56 |
+MrHairgrease | yes | 19:56 |
+MrHairgrease | you must enter your password | 19:57 |
+MrHairgrease | that of your own account | 19:57 |
wgGuest57 | it says my account is not in the sudoers file | 19:57 |
+MrHairgrease | in that case you can do two things | 19:57 |
+MrHairgrease | - add your account to the sudoer file | 19:58 |
+MrHairgrease | of use su | 19:58 |
+MrHairgrease | do you have the root pw of your box? | 19:58 |
wgGuest57 | yes | 19:58 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 19:58 |
+MrHairgrease | than do this | 19:58 |
+MrHairgrease | su - | 19:58 |
+MrHairgrease | <enter root pw | 19:58 |
+MrHairgrease | cd /data/wre/sbin | 19:59 |
+MrHairgrease | . ./setenvironmet.sh (mind the space bewteen the dots) | 19:59 |
+MrHairgrease | ./wreconsole.pl | 19:59 |
+MrHairgrease | then open your browser | 19:59 |
wgGuest57 | i don't think i'm authorized to do that its a student acct | 19:59 |
+MrHairgrease | if you don't have root access you cannot install the wre | 20:00 |
@Haarg | well, techincally you can | 20:00 |
+MrHairgrease | you'll need root access to start the servers | 20:00 |
@Haarg | but the binaries need to be in /data/ | 20:01 |
@Haarg | if you build from source you can put it elsewhere | 20:01 |
@Haarg | and you need root access to run on port 80 | 20:02 |
wgGuest57 | ok, thanks | 20:02 |
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@preaction | if someone creates that utility script to add a package from the command line, i'll put my vote in for putting it into 7.5 | 20:42 |
+MrHairgrease | preaction | 20:43 |
+MrHairgrease | it already sort of exists | 20:43 |
+MrHairgrease | check the install script of the acme presentation | 20:44 |
+MrHairgrease | it's in WebGUI/docs/AcmePresentation after untarring | 20:44 |
@preaction | oooh | 20:44 |
@Haarg | it would be easy to have it able to export packages on the command line as well | 21:00 |
@preaction | well that's just a URL really: <sitename>/path?op=exportPackage (or something) | 21:01 |
@preaction | so a wget would work | 21:01 |
@Haarg | i was thinking for arbitrary assets | 21:02 |
@preaction | the idea being we could make a small shell script to keep packages between different sites synced | 21:02 |
@Haarg | for the operation they have to be marked as a package | 21:02 |
@preaction | of course | 21:02 |
@Haarg | but importing/exporting would be useful without having to mark the assets as packages | 21:03 |
@preaction | indeed, there's an RFE near the top to add something to the More menu on the asset manager | 21:04 |
@preaction | a one-time deal thingy | 21:04 |
@preaction | i hate merging code from outside a VCS to inside the VCS... | 21:29 |
@preaction | hopefully in the future we'll branch earlier, like we branched for 7.5 already, and when we're done adding features to 7.5 we branch for 7.6 | 21:30 |
@preaction | or JT could do it the way he did it and make it excellently easy for me | 21:31 |
@preaction | btw, this new Friends Network thing I'm about to commit is completely pwn | 22:40 |
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@khenn | you committed the stuff JT and I added? | 00:28 |
@preaction | what stuff did you add? | 00:30 |
@apeiron | khenn, You didn't seem to make it back on AIM. | 00:32 |
@khenn | the friends network stuff | 00:32 |
@khenn | and it shows me as being back online | 00:32 |
@khenn | crap | 00:33 |
@apeiron | There we go. | 00:33 |
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@preaction | yes, i committed the friends network stuff | 00:48 |
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AMH_bob | Good morning, we're back in The Netherlands and it is COLD here. Started the day by getting the ice off the car window, driving to work in a small european car on narrow european roads with overcrowded cars driving bumper-to-bumper thinking they have a chance of braking in time if something goes wrong. | 11:00 |
AMH_bob | Thanks everybody for a good WUC last week! | 11:01 |
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SDuensin | Hello. Computers suck. :-) | 16:14 |
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FireZilla | Hi, | 16:55 |
FireZilla | my hoster has informed me that I may have been infected by a backdoor (Threat 3/10) | 16:55 |
FireZilla | The command line is | 16:55 |
FireZilla | "/data/wre/prereqs/apache/bin/httpd -f /data/wre/prereqs/apache/conf/httpd.modperl.conf -D WRE-modperl -E /data/wre/prereqs/apache/logs/modperl.error.l" | 16:56 |
FireZilla | I open the file modperl.error.log, | 16:56 |
FireZilla | And there is written : | 16:56 |
FireZilla | Apache2::SizeLimit httpd process too big, exiting at SIZE=78200 KB SHARE=2976 KB REQUESTS=2206 LIFETIME=464082 seconds | 16:56 |
FireZilla | I think there's no problem, but I'm not sure... | 16:56 |
FireZilla | could you help me to know what happend ? | 16:57 |
FireZilla | Thanks | 16:57 |
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FireZilla | nobody ? | 17:02 |
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SDuensin | Infected? | 17:14 |
FireZilla | I don't know that's why I'm posting | 17:15 |
SDuensin | I don't see anything wrong with what you posted, other than maybe your ISP is confused. | 17:16 |
FireZilla | OK, I feel better... | 17:17 |
FireZilla | Do you know why there was a problem with Apache2::SizeLimit | 17:17 |
SDuensin | I get that all the time. It's got something to do with mod_perl not releasing memory. I think. | 17:18 |
* SDuensin has other problems. <sigh> | 17:18 | |
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FireZilla | thanks | 17:26 |
* SDuensin needs serious PB help. Something is ascrew. | 17:29 | |
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dionak | I'm getting an error in webgui.log about database corruption and template instantiation errors. i ran mysqlcheck. is there something else i should do? not sure how to find this template given i only have the id. | 18:23 |
dionak | Asset B1bNjWVtzSjsvGZh9lPz_A WebGUI::Asset::Template 1131418441 is missing properties. Consult your database tables for corruption. | 18:23 |
cap10morgan | dionak: is this on a site that was upgraded from a previous version? | 18:23 |
dionak | yes. it's our site actually | 18:24 |
SDuensin | Hi dionak & cap10morgan | 18:24 |
* SDuensin has horrible DB issues, too. He fears for his server. | 18:24 | |
cap10morgan | mornin' | 18:24 |
dionak | that's a little dramatic ;) | 18:24 |
cap10morgan | dionak: i've noticed that upgrades sometimes fail in the database upgrade step | 18:25 |
cap10morgan | so then the db schema doesn't match what the code is expecting | 18:25 |
SDuensin | I hope so, dionak. I've got a bunch of sites that won't talk to Spectre. Or something. | 18:25 |
cap10morgan | can you select * from webguiVersion ? | 18:25 |
dionak | sure | 18:25 |
cap10morgan | that will show you the latest version the db has been upgraded to | 18:25 |
cap10morgan | (in theory) :) | 18:25 |
dionak | 7.3.22 | 18:26 |
cap10morgan | is that what the codebase is too? | 18:26 |
dionak | SDuensin, you might want to check your spectre settings. | 18:26 |
SDuensin | dionak - I think it's worse than that. | 18:26 |
dionak | i believe so. that is my understanding. can i double check somewhere? | 18:27 |
cap10morgan | yeah, i think it says what version it is at the top of lib/WebGUI.pm | 18:27 |
dionak | k. | 18:27 |
SDuensin | I'll pastebin my spectre debug stuff. | 18:27 |
cap10morgan | also it says when it starts up (but WRE 0.8.0 seems to hide that) | 18:27 |
dionak | yes, 7.3.22 | 18:28 |
cap10morgan | ok | 18:28 |
SDuensin | http://pastebin.com/m29b75427 | 18:28 |
SDuensin | That output frightens me greatly. | 18:28 |
cap10morgan | well, one quick n' dirty check you can do is deploy a new site and compare the template, asset, and assetData table schemas in the two DBs | 18:28 |
dionak | true. i'll give that a shot and see if there are differences. | 18:30 |
SDuensin | preaction was helping me before, but I think I scared him off. | 18:30 |
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dionak | SDuensin - it looks like your sites are somehow not configured for Spectre. | 18:30 |
dionak | I'm not an expert in that area. | 18:30 |
SDuensin | dionak - if I look inside WorkflowInstance, there are null records. Deleting them allows Spectre to find the site, but then you get the errors displayed further down the log. | 18:31 |
dionak | this is what concerns me in your log. [Error] Couldn't fetch Spectre configuration data for www.kevinmhuntfoundation.org.conf | 18:31 |
SDuensin | dionak - if I look in the database, there will be nulls in there. If I remove the nulls, it'll load the configuration. It'll also fail later. I did that for the "cloudcircle" site. (See line 240.) | 18:32 |
dionak | hm. idk. I wonder what's causing the 500's. is there anything in mod_perl's log? | 18:33 |
SDuensin | Looking for it now. | 18:33 |
* SDuensin has too many terminals open. | 18:33 | |
SDuensin | No errors for today in either mod_perl or mod_proxy logs. | 18:34 |
SDuensin | if I do a "curl http://www.cloudcircle.com:81/", it answers. | 18:36 |
+MrHairgrease | sduensin | 18:40 |
SDuensin | MrHairgrease | 18:40 |
+MrHairgrease | set your log level to info | 18:40 |
+MrHairgrease | and make spectre error again | 18:40 |
SDuensin | Working. | 18:40 |
+MrHairgrease | that'l give more verbose information in your webgui.log than just 500 something bad happened | 18:40 |
dionak | cap10morgan - article is definitely different | 18:42 |
cap10morgan | oh yeah? interesting... | 18:42 |
cap10morgan | how so? | 18:42 |
dionak | oh, wait. i take that back | 18:43 |
SDuensin | Spectre output looks the same. Checking the log. | 18:44 |
dionak | they are the same. | 18:44 |
SDuensin | OK, I'm being stupid. There are no new entries in /data/wre/var/webgui.log for today. | 18:45 |
SDuensin | Or my clock is wrong. Derf. | 18:45 |
SDuensin | http://pastebin.com/m15e7addc | 18:48 |
SDuensin | That config path is really not right. WTF? | 18:49 |
SDuensin | (Line 8) | 18:49 |
SDuensin | Cleaned up the databases. Confs all load now. | 18:55 |
SDuensin | http://pastebin.com/d23148e69 | 18:55 |
SDuensin | spectre.pl --test passes | 18:56 |
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SDuensin | OK, tried a testEnvironment.pl. It tells me: | 18:59 |
SDuensin | '1.0.3' is installed, but we need at least 1.1.0, do you want to upgrade it now? {y|n} [y] | 18:59 |
SDuensin | Even though I already answered "y" to that. | 18:59 |
cap10morgan | SDuensin: is that for Config::JSON? | 18:59 |
SDuensin | Oh yea - sorry. Missed that part of the copy. | 18:59 |
cap10morgan | i seem to recall from the gotchas that you have to force install that from CPAN | 19:00 |
cap10morgan | which testEnvironment.pl probably doesn't do | 19:00 |
* SDuensin read the gotchas! Reading again! | 19:00 | |
cap10morgan | :) | 19:00 |
* cap10morgan is setting up the ultimate Eclipse dev / debug environment | 19:01 | |
SDuensin | Oh yea? | 19:01 |
cap10morgan | it's true | 19:01 |
cap10morgan | for php currently | 19:01 |
cap10morgan | since it's such an annoying language to code in | 19:01 |
cap10morgan | i need all the help i can get :) | 19:01 |
SDuensin | I'm using Aptana for PHP work. | 19:01 |
cap10morgan | what's that? | 19:01 |
SDuensin | Eclipse-based IDE for "Web 2.0" crap. It's nice. | 19:02 |
cap10morgan | interesting... | 19:02 |
cap10morgan | looks like it maybe doesn't support 3.3 yet? | 19:03 |
SDuensin | Nope. Mine says 3.2.2r322. | 19:04 |
cap10morgan | well, i'll have to give it a try once it does 3.3 | 19:04 |
SDuensin | First WebGUI hates me. Now CPAN hates me. | 19:07 |
SDuensin | "Error in server greeting." it says. <sigh> | 19:07 |
SDuensin | Ah HA! Found it. | 19:08 |
+MrHairgrease | real men use vim | 19:08 |
SDuensin | joe for teh winnar! | 19:08 |
SDuensin | KICK A$$ - JSON upgrade fixed *most* the Spectre errors! | 19:09 |
* cap10morgan high fives SDuensin | 19:10 | |
SDuensin | Gonna let it chunk for a bit and then see about the 500 error on the one site. | 19:10 |
* SDuensin breathes a HUGE sigh of relief. | 19:10 | |
SDuensin | Egads. 192 pending workflows. | 19:11 |
SDuensin | I don't understand that communications error. If I "curl" the URL it complains about, Apache answers. | 19:11 |
cap10morgan | i see that a lot w/ spectre | 19:12 |
SDuensin | How do we fix it a lot? :-) | 19:12 |
cap10morgan | good question! | 19:12 |
SDuensin | And why just one site? | 19:13 |
SDuensin | What else can I look at? I don't see squat in the logs. | 19:15 |
cap10morgan | is spectre allowed to connect to that site from the ip it's connecting from? | 19:15 |
cap10morgan | in that site's config? | 19:15 |
SDuensin | I don't see why not. Double-checking. (I added that site using the WRE just like all the other sites.) | 19:17 |
SDuensin | Looks OK to me. | 19:19 |
SDuensin | Any idea exactly what it's trying to load so I can feed it to curl? | 19:19 |
+MrHairgrease | the 500 message should show up in your wg log | 19:20 |
SDuensin | It does, but with no more info than in the spectre output. | 19:20 |
+MrHairgrease | if it even doesn't do that somethin is wrong | 19:20 |
+MrHairgrease | ah | 19:20 |
+MrHairgrease | in that case | 19:20 |
+MrHairgrease | set the log level to info | 19:21 |
SDuensin | I did! | 19:21 |
+MrHairgrease | and did you restart the server afterwards? | 19:21 |
SDuensin | Yep. | 19:21 |
SDuensin | Lemme double check everything. | 19:21 |
SDuensin | log.conf has log4perl.logger = INFO, mainlog | 19:22 |
+MrHairgrease | that is not a correct path | 19:22 |
+MrHairgrease | /data/WebGUI/etc//data/WebGUI/etc/www.jaegertech.net.conf at | 19:22 |
SDuensin | Yea, no kidding. | 19:23 |
SDuensin | That site is working now though. | 19:23 |
+MrHairgrease | I\m not =) | 19:23 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 19:23 |
SDuensin | Only www.cloudcircle.com is 500ing on me. | 19:23 |
+MrHairgrease | before the 500 | 19:23 |
+MrHairgrease | there should be something in the log | 19:23 |
+MrHairgrease | one thing | 19:24 |
+MrHairgrease | is the first entry of sitename the same as the webgui instance of that site? | 19:24 |
SDuensin | http://pastebin.com/d53103f41 | 19:24 |
SDuensin | Pretty sure, but checking. | 19:25 |
SDuensin | Sitename is correct in www.cloudcircle.com.conf. Where else do I need to check it? | 19:26 |
+MrHairgrease | nowhere as far as i know | 19:26 |
SDuensin | Is Spectre trying to do an ?op=someCrapHere URL? | 19:27 |
+MrHairgrease | yes | 19:28 |
+MrHairgrease | dunno which one exactly | 19:28 |
SDuensin | :-/ | 19:28 |
+MrHairgrease | btw | 19:28 |
+MrHairgrease | that errorafk | 19:29 |
SDuensin | They're pestering me to go get lunch... | 19:30 |
SDuensin | I ***REALLY*** appreciate the help, MrHairgrease. | 19:31 |
SDuensin | I'll be back after I get food to carry on the battle! | 19:31 |
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@apeiron | khenn++ # didactic | 20:24 |
@khenn | huh? | 20:25 |
@apeiron | You taught me something. That's karma-worthy to me. | 20:27 |
@khenn | are you saying I'm a good teacher because you are a difficult learner? or that you know so much already that you didn't think there was anything else to learn =p | 20:31 |
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@apeiron | khenn, Just that I appreciate any and all learning. :) | 20:34 |
@khenn | in that case, I have all sorts of goofy mathematical facts that could earn me karma all day!!! | 20:35 |
@khenn | =) | 20:35 |
@apeiron | Doesn't count if you're trying. | 20:37 |
@khenn | i see | 20:38 |
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SDuensin | Hello again! | 21:04 |
* SDuensin is back - and full of White Castles. | 21:04 | |
@preaction | that doesn't sound healthy | 21:58 |
SDuensin | OK, now I'm really confused. I deleted the site giving me the 500 errors and recreated it. | 21:58 |
SDuensin | (Hey preaction!) | 21:58 |
SDuensin | I *still* get errors. | 21:58 |
@preaction | it doesn't like you | 21:58 |
SDuensin | Checked my DNS. Seems fine. | 21:58 |
SDuensin | I can tell. | 21:58 |
@preaction | 500 error is in the modperl error log | 21:58 |
@preaction | you just watch yourself, we're wanted men | 21:58 |
@preaction | i have the death sentence on twelve systems! | 21:59 |
SDuensin | I'll be careful. | 21:59 |
SDuensin | No error in that log. | 21:59 |
@preaction | hum... modproxy error log then? | 22:00 |
SDuensin | Negative. | 22:00 |
@preaction | 500 is "I can't even get far enough to open the webgui error log, so you've really mucked something up" | 22:00 |
@preaction | testEnvironment.pl? | 22:00 |
* SDuensin didn't do doodie! | 22:00 | |
@preaction | httpd -X -Edebug perhaps? (i don't know if the -E switch changes the log level though) | 22:01 |
SDuensin | testEnvironment passes. Only crabbing about Graphics::Magick. | 22:02 |
SDuensin | spectre.pl --test passes, too. | 22:02 |
@preaction | so there are other sites on this system that do not 500 error? | 22:03 |
SDuensin | Yea. Lots of 'em. | 22:03 |
@preaction | are you absolutely sure you're actually getting to the right site? | 22:03 |
SDuensin | If I curl the URL, I get the index page. | 22:03 |
@preaction | okay, so what's different about the pages that give 500 errors? | 22:04 |
SDuensin | Other than the others don't give 500 errors? No idea. | 22:04 |
SDuensin | Possibly the DNS host, but DNS seems to work. | 22:04 |
SDuensin | I take that back. Another site uses the same DNS server and it's fine. | 22:05 |
@preaction | okay, we're on completely different pages here, so let's start from the beginning | 22:06 |
SDuensin | OK, I just did a removesite and then addsite on www.cloudcircle.com... | 22:07 |
SDuensin | Then so I could see what was going on, I did "./rc.spectre stop" and then "perl spectre.pl --run --debug"... | 22:08 |
SDuensin | It tries to do something and gives me a 500. | 22:08 |
SDuensin | I was able to connect to the site and complete the setup. | 22:08 |
SDuensin | Spectre continues to give 500s. | 22:08 |
SDuensin | Latest output: http://pastebin.com/m2e92248b | 22:09 |
@preaction | so it's just spectre that gives a 500 error? are you sure spectre is getting to the right site? can you curl <sitename>?op=spectreGetSiteData and/or run a workflow from inside WebGUI using the admin console? | 22:09 |
@Haarg | i was just going to suggest that. those 500 errors may not be coming from WebGUI. | 22:10 |
@Haarg | LWP will generate that stuff in some circumstances. | 22:10 |
SDuensin | curl returns nice JSON info on the site. | 22:11 |
SDuensin | Hi Haarg | 22:11 |
SDuensin | (Specifically, curl http://www.cloudcircle.com/?op=spectreGetSiteData ) | 22:11 |
@Haarg | what port is spectre set to connect to? | 22:12 |
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SDuensin | 32133 | 22:12 |
@Haarg | connect to, not run on | 22:13 |
@preaction | you could also use the database to figure out what workflow / activity is running when it gets the 500 errors | 22:13 |
SDuensin | There are a lot of other sites here that work fine. | 22:13 |
SDuensin | webguiPort, Haarg ? 81 | 22:13 |
SDuensin | curl to 81 works, too. | 22:13 |
@Haarg | and you've already checked sitename i take it? | 22:14 |
SDuensin | Only thing is "www.cloudcircle.com". | 22:14 |
SDuensin | All this was set up by the WRE. Same way I did the other sites. | 22:14 |
@preaction | it's connecting just fine, as evidenced by the fact that it is running workflow activities | 22:15 |
@preaction | you'll need to find out which activity it is that is throwing these errors before we can go anywhere else | 22:15 |
SDuensin | It's trying to run "Do Nothing on Deletion" with a null parameter. | 22:16 |
steveo_aam | preaction: extjs && utils on alumni, where can I find the JSON encoding functions? | 22:16 |
SDuensin | There are two instances of that queued, priority 2, className/methodName/parameters are all null. | 22:16 |
@preaction | steveo_aam, for the moment, they're in www/extras/yui-ext/tools i believe, i don't remember | 22:17 |
@preaction | is there even a way to configure what workflow gets run when an asset is deleted? | 22:17 |
@preaction | why is that in there? | 22:17 |
steveo_aam | preaction: no such directoyr | 22:17 |
@preaction | steveo_aam, then it must be www/extras/ext or something | 22:18 |
* SDuensin has no idea. | 22:18 | |
steveo_aam | preaction: www/extras/extjs exists, but has no util(s) dir | 22:19 |
@preaction | under build | 22:20 |
steveo_aam | Thanks. | 22:20 |
@preaction | or: ` find . | grep -i "JSON"` | 22:21 |
* SDuensin wonders if he should just nuke these two workflows? | 22:23 | |
steveo_aam | I had been looking in the YUI tree, and the code said yui-ext. Lots of changes with that upgrade. | 22:23 |
@preaction | yeah, there was a discussion today with the devs to move away from using Ext and find other solutions to the problems it solves | 22:24 |
SDuensin | What's wrong with Ext? | 22:24 |
* SDuensin is just curious. | 22:24 | |
steveo_aam | Funny that another team wishes they had gone the extjs direction. | 22:25 |
@preaction | it seems to be moving away from an F/OSS license, it seems to be trying to become its own all-in-one solution (instead of just an extention to Yui) | 22:25 |
steveo_aam | Not related to WebGUI | 22:25 |
@preaction | Yui's hired on Dav Glass, who wrote the YUI Rich Text Editor, his site has a couple things for Yui that I'll be adding to 7.5 momentarily | 22:26 |
* SDuensin is planning on using Ext in his next project. | 22:26 | |
@preaction | it was decided that the future possibilities look more stable for YUI than it does for Ext | 22:26 |
SDuensin | And, yea, they don't rely on Yui anymore. | 22:26 |
SDuensin | Yui is cool, but Ext gives me more of what I want for "free". I've got enough to code as is. :-) | 22:27 |
@preaction | which is the argument that khenn gave | 22:27 |
@preaction | and i do agree with, but i also think it would be worth it to contribute back to Yui | 22:27 |
@khenn | no reason you can't continue to use Ext, we just won't be distributing it with the core any longer | 22:28 |
@preaction | i feel that allowing people to purchase a "commercial" license for your software sullies the idea of F/OSS software | 22:28 |
@khenn | to avoid licensing issues in the future | 22:28 |
SDuensin | Lots of things use that kind of "dual license". | 22:28 |
steveo_aam | Your pointer to the new location set me up, and the code now works with the library change. | 22:29 |
SDuensin | I'm using it to build a service, not a product, so it doesn't really matter to me. | 22:29 |
SDuensin | So about these rogue workflow instances... :-) | 22:31 |
@preaction | SDuensin, you can probably delete them, since they're just Do Nothing On Deletion. but you might want to figure out why a workflow activity that does nothing is throwing a 500 error. you may also want to find out if new instances of that activity throw the same error | 22:32 |
SDuensin | I don't even know why they're there. This is a brand new site. Hell, I'm going to delete it again and see if the database gets deleted correctly. | 22:33 |
SDuensin | Ok. Site deleted. Database went with it. Making a new one. | 22:36 |
SDuensin | (I love the new "Site Starter", BTW.) | 22:38 |
SDuensin | Same two workflows after I recreated the site. | 22:42 |
@preaction | did you do anything in the Site Starter? did it have to delete assets? | 22:43 |
SynQ | here I am | 22:44 |
@preaction | and here I remain! | 22:44 |
SDuensin | It may have. I removed a forum and the wiki and maybe another thing. | 22:44 |
SDuensin | I'm going to delete some of the sample content and see what happens. | 22:45 |
SynQ | is PlainBlack up and running again? | 22:50 |
@preaction | SynQ, as far as i know | 22:50 |
SynQ | after all that early waking prev. week | 22:50 |
SDuensin | Egads! I now have 20+ delete workflow instances! | 22:54 |
@preaction | all of them giving 500s? | 22:55 |
SDuensin | Yep. | 22:55 |
@preaction | all of them with NULL in their parameters? | 22:56 |
SDuensin | Yep. | 22:56 |
@preaction | what version are you running? | 22:56 |
SDuensin | 7.4.10 | 22:56 |
@preaction | i might post a bug, is that the latest stable? | 22:58 |
SDuensin | Yes. | 22:58 |
SDuensin | Here - http://pastebin.com/m637a155c | 22:58 |
SynQ | how do I troubleshoot something like this: | 22:59 |
SynQ | WORKFLOW: [Error] Something bad happened on the return of 7oOG47V5mOE5Ny0H2I41RQ. <HTML> | 22:59 |
SynQ | <HEAD><TITLE>An Error Occurred</TITLE></HEAD> | 22:59 |
SynQ | <BODY> | 22:59 |
SynQ | <H1>An Error Occurred</H1> | 22:59 |
SynQ | 200 OK | 22:59 |
SynQ | </BODY> | 22:59 |
SynQ | </HTML> | 22:59 |
SDuensin | It's not committing that version tag either. :-( | 23:00 |
@preaction | SynQ, the first thing you do is never paste to the channel again | 23:00 |
@preaction | perlbot paste | 23:00 |
perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl http://erxz.com/pb or http://p3m.org/paste/fn/perl and #Perl will be able to view it. | 23:00 |
SynQ | ok | 23:00 |
SynQ | sorry | 23:00 |
SDuensin | Gee, SynQ, that looks horribly familiar. :-) | 23:00 |
SynQ | even if it's 4 or 5 lines? | 23:00 |
@preaction | SDuensin, subtle difference: he's getting 200 OK | 23:00 |
@preaction | SynQ, yes | 23:00 |
SynQ | ok | 23:00 |
SynQ | it won't happen again | 23:00 |
@preaction | looks like 7 to me, but we don't count. | 23:00 |
SynQ | :) | 23:01 |
@preaction | check your WorkflowInstance table to see what activity is being run | 23:01 |
SynQ | ok | 23:01 |
SDuensin | Yea, I had 200s before, too. Upgrading Config::JSON fixed it. | 23:01 |
SynQ | It's version 7.3.22 | 23:01 |
@preaction | SynQ, if you can reproduce on 7.4.10-stable, you can probably post a bug report about it | 23:02 |
SynQ | I'd rather first find what's causing that | 23:03 |
@preaction | why try to debug something that may already be fixed? | 23:03 |
SDuensin | My "Commit Without Approval" says "comm error" in the Workflow admin panel. | 23:03 |
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SynQ | preaction since I want to learn more about spectre | 23:04 |
SynQ | hmm | 23:07 |
SynQ | I just spent like 5 minutes looking for the 'search' on the webgui.org site | 23:07 |
SynQ | after looking at plainblack.com i noticed it was in the same location on the webgui.org site | 23:07 |
SDuensin | Yea. No idea why you gotta click something to make it show up. Weird UI choice. | 23:07 |
SynQ | I agree | 23:08 |
SynQ | Doug, in your opinion should I submit an rfe for that? | 23:08 |
@preaction | if you want, i would think that's where it would be noticed | 23:10 |
SDuensin | Man, there's just no information on what "comm error" is mad about. Nothing in the logs. | 23:10 |
SDuensin | At this point, I'm scared to do anything on any of my sites. :-( | 23:13 |
SynQ | ok | 23:18 |
SynQ | something else | 23:18 |
SynQ | I don't seem to be having the admin password | 23:18 |
SynQ | I don't want to reset it and I don't want to login as admin | 23:20 |
SynQ | so I think I'm going to create an 'addAdmin' utilityscript | 23:20 |
* SDuensin wants a fixSpectre script. | 23:27 | |
SDuensin | preaction - handy? I have some more information on this that is kind of interesting. | 23:37 |
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SDuensin | Well, I'll be back later. See ya! Thanks again for the help! | 23:50 |
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SynQ | hmm | 00:01 |
SynQ | I wonder what feels better | 00:01 |
SynQ | learning how to create a utilityscript or playing 'The Godfather Blackhand edition' on the wii | 00:02 |
knowmad | i think that depends on whether you're talking about now or later | 00:07 |
knowmad | might feel good to play wii and avoid the pain of writing utility script until the deadline hits and your script is not done; then you won't be feeling too good | 00:07 |
SynQ | hmm | 00:09 |
SynQ | true | 00:09 |
@preaction | i say do the util script now, hold out on the Wii until Guitar Hero 3 comes out | 00:09 |
SynQ | but actually the script is more about later too | 00:10 |
SynQ | hehe | 00:10 |
knowmad | tis the fate for those of us confined to the space-time continuum | 00:10 |
SynQ | I asked my wife if I could buy a wii but she'd rather we have someone paint the windows on the outside before winter | 00:10 |
knowmad | bummer | 00:10 |
SynQ | the utility script would allow you to add an extra Admin account to a webgui site | 00:11 |
@khenn | paint the windows yourself and buy the wii | 00:11 |
@khenn | everyone is happy | 00:11 |
@khenn | sandpaper + paint = $26.00 | 00:11 |
SynQ | for debugging problems that arrise in the logfiles while someone else is editing and maintaining the site | 00:11 |
SynQ | khenn: my time is about EUR 55.00 per hour | 00:12 |
SynQ | so that is probably a really expensive option | 00:12 |
SynQ | besides, if I paint the windows myself I won't have time to play the wii and buying it would have no use | 00:12 |
@khenn | well if you were billing out 24 hrs / day, you should have enough money to pay for both =p | 00:13 |
@khenn | 24 x 55 x 7 = you are rich | 00:13 |
SynQ | I think the price of the wii is probably not even the issue to | 00:13 |
SynQ | I can work max 10 hours a day about 5 days a week | 00:15 |
SynQ | I'd still make about 150K per year if all my hours would be bookable | 00:15 |
SynQ | but it's more the other way around thoug | 00:16 |
SynQ | if I spend an extra hour on painting the house that will cost me about 55 euro | 00:16 |
SynQ | since I'm not spending that on my company and that will go off the profit | 00:17 |
@apeiron | khenn, You poofed on AIM. | 00:24 |
@khenn | I hate charter | 00:26 |
@apeiron | Sure it's not something else? | 00:26 |
@khenn | SynQ: I've seen this debate before | 00:26 |
@khenn | and if you spent an hour painting during a time you would otherwise *not* be working, then you incur zero loss | 00:27 |
@khenn | rizen was trying to tell me that I should pay someone to clean my house | 00:27 |
@khenn | based on that same logic | 00:27 |
@khenn | but it doesn't pan out | 00:27 |
@khenn | cause I don't bill out every hour of every day | 00:27 |
@khenn | so if I clean my house on Saturday between 7-9am when I would otherwise not be working, I save myself money! | 00:28 |
@khenn | =) | 00:28 |
@khenn | so paint your windows at 3am on Monday night. You save money and annoy the neighbors! Double bonus =) | 00:28 |
@khenn | er Tuesday morning | 00:28 |
@khenn | tuesday morning is best | 00:28 |
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SynQ | uh | 00:31 |
SynQ | 3am in the morning? | 00:31 |
@khenn | hehe | 00:31 |
SynQ | it will be completely dark outside | 00:31 |
perlDreamer | that makes sure that the paint doesn't dry too quickly | 00:32 |
SynQ | uh yeah | 00:33 |
@khenn | hence the need for the incredibly annoying spotlights =) | 00:33 |
SynQ | and it also makes sure that afterwards I will still have to hire a professional painter | 00:33 |
@khenn | heh | 00:34 |
@khenn | that's my problem too | 00:34 |
SynQ | you have to hire a professional cleaner? | 00:36 |
SynQ | on the other hand you don't have to bill out every hour | 00:36 |
SynQ | to be able to pay for a cleaner | 00:37 |
@khenn | I'm just saying the logic is flawed since nobody bills out 24/7 anyway | 00:38 |
@khenn | so paying someone $90 a week would cost me more than cleaning the house myself during non-billing hours | 00:39 |
@khenn | by that logic I waste all sorts of time sleeping | 00:40 |
@khenn | and drinking of course | 00:40 |
SynQ | that is true | 00:40 |
@khenn | =) | 00:40 |
SynQ | >:) | 00:40 |
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perlDreamer | SynQ: No one that I know about has written a script like that. | 01:01 |
perlDreamer | I think it sounds great | 01:01 |
perlDreamer | hack on! | 01:01 |
@khenn | I think it should be ACME and require the admin password to work =) | 01:02 |
@khenn | so the file can really be one line of code | 01:02 |
perlDreamer | how about if it connected to the WebGUI irc channel and then allowed you to submit a password? | 01:03 |
@khenn | print "Please enter the admin password: "; | 01:03 |
@khenn | my $pwd = <STDIN>; | 01:03 |
@apeiron | chomp(my $pwd = <STDIN>); # *cough* | 01:07 |
SynQ | hehe | 01:07 |
@apeiron | Parens require, there. | 01:08 |
@apeiron | er, required. | 01:08 |
SynQ | ACME :) | 01:08 |
@khenn | doesn't matter really | 01:08 |
@khenn | it's ACME | 01:08 |
@khenn | =p | 01:08 |
@apeiron | Well, it won't parse without the () | 01:08 |
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@khenn | you can't remember the admin password anyway | 01:08 |
@khenn | which is why you would be using the script in the first place | 01:08 |
SynQ | I think that creating just ACME programs, scripts and utilities would make me a rogue developer wouldn't it? | 01:09 |
@khenn | so requiring the admin password to use it makes it so incredibly funny that it doesn't really matter what it does after you ask for the password | 01:09 |
SynQ | but actually it isn't a resetAdminPassword.pl | 01:10 |
SynQ | but a createBackdoorAdminAccount.pl | 01:10 |
@rizen | you can do both with the existing userImport.pl script | 01:10 |
SynQ | ok | 01:10 |
SynQ | hi JT | 01:11 |
@rizen | granted, not as easily as you're describing | 01:11 |
SynQ | if you can tell me in one line how to I'll skip the whole thing | 01:11 |
SynQ | ah | 01:11 |
SynQ | that's a pitty | 01:11 |
@rizen | you can't do it in one line, because userImport.pl requires a file containing the user data | 01:11 |
@rizen | but other than that you can do it in one line | 01:12 |
SynQ | I could also create a very hacky way that just creates a line in some mysql table :) | 01:12 |
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@rizen | you could also fly back to the states and make me some panakookin for dinner | 01:12 |
SDuensin | rizen ! | 01:13 |
@rizen | or however you spell that | 01:13 |
perlDreamer | will hack for pannen kuchen? | 01:13 |
@rizen | indeed i would | 01:13 |
SynQ | pannekoeken in the old spelling, pannenkoeken in the new dutch spelling | 01:13 |
perlDreamer | actually, I think you can do it with one line, just by specifying STDIN as the usersfile | 01:13 |
SynQ | and right now it would be more like a midnight snack | 01:14 |
perlDreamer | it should be a small bash script | 01:14 |
* rizen holds out a sign "Will code for pannenkoeken!" | 01:14 | |
SynQ | perlDreamer: shouldn't it be a full webgui utility script? | 01:14 |
perlDreamer | it could be, but if you can utilize an existing script, no sense in reinventing the wheel | 01:15 |
perlDreamer | it would be like | 01:15 |
perlDreamer | #!bash | 01:15 |
SDuensin | rizen, like Obi-Wan, you're my only hope. | 01:15 |
@rizen | what's up SD | 01:15 |
perlDreamer | echo "head line\ndata line" | userImport.pl --usersFile - --configFile webgui.conf | 01:15 |
SDuensin | Why, oh WHY, do I get "500 Internal Server Error" running workflows on a brand new site? | 01:16 |
SynQ | hmm | 01:16 |
SDuensin | I can't get any kind of details in any of my logs. :-( | 01:16 |
perlDreamer | bad spectre.conf ? | 01:16 |
perlDreamer | wrong IP | 01:16 |
perlDreamer | wrong subnet? | 01:16 |
SDuensin | Not that I can see, perlDreamer. Everything is set up like my other sites. | 01:16 |
@rizen | it's impossible for you to get 500 errors and no info in any logs | 01:16 |
SDuensin | Ok, let's change that to "useful info". | 01:17 |
@rizen | so i'm inclined to agree with pd that you have a dns problem | 01:17 |
@rizen | ok, so you are seeing info then? | 01:17 |
@rizen | which log file are you seeing it in? | 01:17 |
SynQ | perlDreamer: I've noted your suggestion on the bash script | 01:17 |
SDuensin | This is all I get: http://pastebin.com/m6e81e046 | 01:17 |
SDuensin | From webgui.log. | 01:17 |
SynQ | I'll use it for creating a script that should be just this: | 01:17 |
@rizen | SynQ, i was just going to post back to the dev mailing list with some code that would do exactly what you want | 01:18 |
@rizen | cuz i can write it in under 10 lines | 01:18 |
perlDreamer | SynQ, once my coverage tests stop running, I'll see if the idea actually works :) | 01:18 |
@rizen | but then i decided you wanted to do it for the karma | 01:18 |
@rizen | so i stopped | 01:18 |
SynQ | addAdmin.pl --username Backdoor --password H@XX0R --configFile webgui.conf | 01:18 |
SynQ | which looks a lot cleaner to me | 01:18 |
@rizen | SD: you should also get some info in your modperl.error.log with this | 01:19 |
SynQ | rizen: hehe | 01:19 |
SDuensin | rizen - Nope. Not even if I change the log level to INFO. | 01:19 |
@rizen | ok if you're not | 01:19 |
@rizen | then it 's not even making it to modperl | 01:19 |
@rizen | so do this | 01:19 |
@rizen | from the command line on your server | 01:19 |
SynQ | rizen: e-mail the 10 lines to perlDreamer so he can post them as a reference implementation to mine later | 01:19 |
SynQ | it would be great to compare the two | 01:20 |
@rizen | type "ping www.cloudcircle.com" | 01:20 |
@rizen | and see if the IP address matches what you think it should | 01:20 |
SDuensin | 64 bytes from u15262483.onlinehome-server.com (74.208.75.207): icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.050 ms | 01:20 |
SDuensin | That's correct. | 01:20 |
@rizen | also check both your modproxy and modperl configs for the site and make sure they're both going to the same place | 01:20 |
SynQ | and check if your disk is full and there is enough memory available | 01:21 |
perlDreamer | you hardware guys... | 01:22 |
SynQ | hardware? | 01:22 |
SynQ | OS you mean | 01:22 |
SDuensin | Confs are fine. Memory and disk space are fine. | 01:22 |
perlDreamer | disk and RAM | 01:22 |
@rizen | if you can verify that your configs are correct, then type this on the command line: | 01:22 |
SDuensin | There are seven other sites running on this WRE. They seem to be fine. | 01:22 |
@rizen | curl http://www.cloudcircle.com/?op=runWorkflow\;instanceId=EbPG8D2T4r8Mt5pJeeeAnQ | 01:22 |
SynQ | sure, both can give your OS headaces | 01:23 |
SDuensin | It says "done". | 01:23 |
@rizen | ok, so you can run the command directly | 01:23 |
@rizen | but you can't run it through spectre | 01:23 |
SDuensin | Seems that way. | 01:23 |
@rizen | so now you know it's a comm problem between spectre and webgui | 01:24 |
@rizen | check the web port number in the spectre conf | 01:24 |
SDuensin | It's 81. | 01:24 |
SynQ | I'd say it's a routing problem | 01:24 |
SynQ | check route -n too | 01:24 |
SDuensin | Why just one site though? The other 7 work fine. And they were all created the same way! | 01:25 |
SynQ | I almost gotta go | 01:27 |
SynQ | I't half past midnight allready | 01:27 |
SDuensin | 5:30p here. | 01:27 |
perlDreamer | 8 sites overflows a 3 bit binary register... | 01:27 |
perlDreamer | starting to smell like a netmask | 01:27 |
SDuensin | Huh? | 01:27 |
perlDreamer | in binary, with 3 bits, you can count from 0 to 7 | 01:28 |
perlDreamer | 000, 001, 010, 011, 100, 101, 110, 111 <- 7 | 01:28 |
SynQ | what does a netmask smell like? pannekoeken or pumpkinsoup? | 01:28 |
SynQ | I agree though | 01:28 |
SynQ | netmask might be it | 01:28 |
perlDreamer | it smells like bad baby diapers | 01:28 |
SynQ | yuk | 01:28 |
SDuensin | What does the number of virtual sites have to do with a netmask? They're all on one IP. | 01:28 |
SynQ | hmm | 01:29 |
SynQ | in that case | 01:29 |
SDuensin | That interface is 255.255.255.0 anyway. | 01:29 |
SynQ | are the WebGUI.conf files all alike? | 01:29 |
SDuensin | Best I can tell they are. I used /data/wre/sbin/addsite to create them all. | 01:29 |
SynQ | "spectreSubnets" : [ "127.0.0.1/32" ], | 01:31 |
@rizen | spectreSubnets should include your real ip | 01:31 |
SynQ | it should? | 01:31 |
@rizen | also, turn on debug mode in spectre | 01:31 |
@rizen | it will give you more detailed info | 01:31 |
SDuensin | It contains 74.208.75.207/32 and 127.0.0.1/32. | 01:32 |
SynQ | funny I'm pretty sure I saw a presentation at the WUC from Doug that showed 127.0.0.1/32 as an example | 01:32 |
SDuensin | rizen, I was using "perl spectre.pl --run --debug". No additional info. | 01:32 |
SDuensin | So far, I've baffled preaction, cap10morgan, Haarg, and MrHairgrease. :-( | 01:33 |
SynQ | hmm | 01:33 |
SynQ | that's quite an impressive track record | 01:33 |
* SDuensin might have to add SynQ to that list. :-) | 01:34 | |
SynQ | did you rebuildlineage yet? | 01:34 |
SDuensin | I know! WebGUI has something against me. Wish I knew what I did to upset it. | 01:34 |
SynQ | rebuildLineage.pl | 01:34 |
SDuensin | SynQ - No, but I kinda did the bigger version of that. I've "removesite" that site and added it back twice now. | 01:34 |
SynQ | ok | 01:35 |
SynQ | did you re-create the WebGUI.conf file too? | 01:35 |
SynQ | clean the cache? | 01:35 |
SDuensin | testEnvironment.pl passes, spectre.pl --test passes. | 01:35 |
SDuensin | SynQ - Removing it deletes the conf, right? | 01:35 |
SynQ | offer a goat (or guinnea pig) to the gods? | 01:35 |
SDuensin | I checked it deleted the database. | 01:35 |
SDuensin | No idea about the cache. That's voodoo I've not played with yet. | 01:35 |
SynQ | ok | 01:36 |
perlDreamer | SDuensin: can you nopaste the relevant configs with sensitive info removed? | 01:36 |
SDuensin | Sure. | 01:36 |
SDuensin | give me a sec - the confs are on a remote box | 01:36 |
SynQ | stop the apache, remove the site and database completely, remove all the cache (rm -r /tmp/FileCache or something), re-create the site, try again | 01:37 |
SDuensin | What all would you like to see? | 01:37 |
@rizen | SD did you turn on INFO level in your webgui log file? | 01:38 |
@rizen | and don't bother removing the site | 01:38 |
SDuensin | Did that earlier. No additional info. :-( | 01:38 |
@rizen | that's a waste of time | 01:38 |
@rizen | SD, you're either lying to me or your doing it wrong | 01:38 |
@rizen | there will definitely be additional info from both --debug on spectre | 01:38 |
@rizen | and INFO mode | 01:38 |
SDuensin | It added a lot of info for the sites that work. :-P | 01:38 |
@rizen | in the log file | 01:38 |
SynQ | perhaps there are strange control characters in the config file | 01:39 |
SynQ | like ^M | 01:39 |
@rizen | the site wouldn't even start if there was a problem with the config file | 01:39 |
SDuensin | I don't see any. I even looked. | 01:39 |
@rizen | cuz they are preloaded by modperl | 01:39 |
SynQ | or a quote is missing somewhere | 01:39 |
@preaction | i'm beginning to believe it's a job for professionals with access to the box | 01:39 |
@rizen | i disagree | 01:39 |
SynQ | i agree | 01:39 |
SynQ | JT should fix it for pannekoeken | 01:40 |
SynQ | SDuensin do you know how to make pannekoeken? | 01:40 |
* SDuensin doesn't even know WTF pannekoeken is. | 01:40 | |
@rizen | i'm quite certain this is something ordinary or bland | 01:40 |
SynQ | SDuensin too bad, I know for a fact that JT does almost everything for pannekoeken | 01:40 |
SDuensin | I hope so, rizen. At the moment, I'm scared to commit anything to any site. | 01:40 |
@rizen | you certainly shouldn't be doing anyting on the site | 01:41 |
@rizen | nor should you bother deleting it | 01:41 |
@rizen | that's just bs | 01:41 |
SDuensin | What config files would you all like posted? | 01:41 |
@rizen | that's like restarting your computer cuz you don't know what's wrong with it | 01:41 |
SDuensin | rizen - That fixes Windows! | 01:41 |
@rizen | i don't want any config files posted | 01:41 |
@rizen | i just want you to enable INFO | 01:41 |
@rizen | restart modperl | 01:41 |
@rizen | tail -f it in one window | 01:41 |
SDuensin | Ok. | 01:41 |
@rizen | and then run the curl command that i gave you earlier | 01:42 |
@rizen | in another window | 01:42 |
SynQ | in the mean time I'll offer a small mouse | 01:42 |
SDuensin | To be sure I do it right, I've now got "log4perl.logger = INFO, mainlog" in /data/WebGUI/etc/log.conf. Right? | 01:42 |
@rizen | yup | 01:42 |
@rizen | you could do it better if you came to the wuc | 01:43 |
@rizen | or had the webgui admin guide | 01:43 |
@rizen | but that will work | 01:43 |
SynQ | :) | 01:43 |
SDuensin | I'd love to go to the WUC. Just can't swing it right now. | 01:43 |
SynQ | I'm glad the admin guide has a black cover | 01:43 |
SDuensin | Is the admin guide out? Did I miss that? | 01:43 |
@rizen | i wrote it. it has to have a black cover | 01:43 |
SynQ | hehe | 01:43 |
@rizen | yeah, it's been out for a few weeks | 01:43 |
SynQ | rizen: I'll flood your mailbox with additions to the admin guide once we recieve it over the mail. >:) | 01:44 |
cap10morgan | rizen: i implemented your example log4perl config that emails fatals, but strangely when i add a site-specific log to log.conf (in addition to mainlog), it starts emailing everything from that site-specific log (i.e. not just fatals). have you seen that? | 01:44 |
SDuensin | rizen - curl says "done", log didn't do crap. All I see is the Apache startup message. | 01:46 |
SDuensin | WHOA! | 01:47 |
SynQ | whoa? | 01:47 |
SDuensin | My 25 suspended workflows are now gone. | 01:47 |
SDuensin | WTF? | 01:47 |
* SDuensin thinks it might be scared of rizen. | 01:47 | |
@rizen | cap10morgan no, but post a bug report and we'll get some errata released | 01:48 |
cap10morgan | ok | 01:48 |
@rizen | SD, you're looking at the wrong log | 01:49 |
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SDuensin | modperl.error.log? | 01:49 |
@rizen | you changed the INFO for the webgui.log | 01:49 |
SDuensin | Oh. | 01:50 |
@rizen | and then didn't look at the webgui.log | 01:50 |
SynQ | JT: do you know what a red lantern is? | 01:50 |
* SDuensin grumbles something about dumb users. | 01:50 | |
@rizen | i do if it refers to prostitutes | 01:50 |
SynQ | it doesn't | 01:50 |
@rizen | then no | 01:50 |
SynQ | it refers to cycling games | 01:50 |
SynQ | the red lantern is awarded to the last runner in the race | 01:51 |
SDuensin | Seriously dude. Nothing. And I see INFO entries from other sites, so I know I have INFO turned on. | 01:51 |
SynQ | 60 karma points to go and I will be the last entry in the karma list on http://www.plainblack.com/wg/karma | 01:51 |
* SDuensin needs Page 241 from the Admin Guide... "Don't Panic". | 01:52 | |
SynQ | I think the last entry on that list should be displayed in red :) | 01:52 |
@rizen | submit an RFE | 01:56 |
* SDuensin has now run rizen into hiding | 01:56 | |
@rizen | man, did no one listen in colin's talk | 01:56 |
SynQ | hmm | 01:57 |
SDuensin | rizen, all I get in my webgui.log are things like this: http://pastebin.com/m6e81e046 | 02:00 |
@rizen | look at the time on that log | 02:01 |
@rizen | are you sure it's even writing out new log data? | 02:01 |
SDuensin | This just happened: http://pastebin.com/d3349b418 | 02:01 |
SDuensin | (And my clock is wrong. One problem at a time.) | 02:01 |
SynQ | ok | 02:01 |
SynQ | now I'm gonna lobby for it | 02:01 |
@rizen | SynQ | 02:02 |
SynQ | on the IRC channel | 02:02 |
SynQ | http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/red-lantern-on-the-karma-list | 02:02 |
SynQ | :P | 02:02 |
@rizen | the ass kicking addUser.pl script is emailed to colin | 02:02 |
SynQ | great | 02:02 |
@rizen | i made it nice so that it has help and everything | 02:02 |
SynQ | I am now even more motivated to create my version | 02:02 |
* SDuensin doesn't even know what pbcron0000000000000004 | 02:03 | |
SDuensin | +is | 02:03 |
perlDreamer | that is the GUID for a unique workflow instance | 02:03 |
perlDreamer | since it is 22 characters long | 02:03 |
SynQ | perlDreamer ... wil you put karma on my feature request please, please please :) | 02:03 |
@preaction | probably the run hourly one | 02:03 |
SynQ | btw, did you like the stroopwafels? have you tried them yet? | 02:04 |
perlDreamer | we haven't opened them yet | 02:04 |
SDuensin | WorkflowInstance is empty. | 02:04 |
@rizen | the stroopwafels are awesome | 02:04 |
perlDreamer | We struck out on cheese and cheese curds. | 02:04 |
SynQ | thanks to my sister | 02:04 |
SDuensin | No FRICKIN clue when it decided to run those. Or why. | 02:04 |
perlDreamer | cow pies are a big winner | 02:04 |
perlDreamer | It will run the cron with it thinks it is the correct time | 02:05 |
perlDreamer | We have high hopes for the stroopwafels and the teriyaki jerky | 02:05 |
SynQ | rizen: I've allready created a webgui page for my new nephew | 02:05 |
* SDuensin is really stressed out about this. | 02:05 | |
SynQ | its http://www.tooncornelis.nl | 02:06 |
@rizen | SD read page 241 | 02:06 |
SDuensin | Yea. In large, friendly, red letters. | 02:06 |
SynQ | nothing on there yet though | 02:06 |
perlDreamer | SynQ: which RFE do you want karma added to? | 02:07 |
* SDuensin wants the new books. They look spiffy. | 02:07 | |
SynQ | the red-lantern-on-the-karma-list rfe | 02:07 |
perlDreamer | after it is rated, I'll add some to it. | 02:08 |
SynQ | hmm | 02:08 |
SynQ | did your presentation say to push JT to rate the rfe's or didn't it? | 02:09 |
SDuensin | So weird that all the other sites work fine. | 02:09 |
SynQ | that is weird | 02:09 |
SynQ | I agree | 02:09 |
perlDreamer | I have the feeling that pushing JT may influence the Difficulty in a negative way :) | 02:09 |
@rizen | SD, you just said it was working | 02:10 |
@rizen | publish something and see if it works | 02:10 |
SDuensin | The pbcron* things are still 500ing. | 02:10 |
@rizen | surey they are | 02:11 |
@rizen | you haven't proven to me that they are, you can't seem to get the log file correct | 02:11 |
SDuensin | This just happened: http://pastebin.com/d3349b418 | 02:11 |
@rizen | why does it say 2:18 | 02:11 |
SDuensin | (And my clock is wrong. One problem at a time.) | 02:12 |
@rizen | fix the problems that y ou can | 02:12 |
SDuensin | Added an article - http://pastebin.com/d5de61c43 | 02:12 |
SynQ | perlDreamer I guess I won't push then :) | 02:12 |
@rizen | curl http://www.cloudcircle.com/?op=runCronJob;taskId=pbcron0000000000000004 | 02:13 |
SynQ | do you know if you get karma if a rfe you requested is being implemented? | 02:13 |
@rizen | escape the ; | 02:13 |
perlDreamer | No. | 02:13 |
perlDreamer | You also don't get the karma from the RFE if you implement it. | 02:13 |
@rizen | SynQ gets negative karma for asking so many questions | 02:13 |
@rizen | and sending me pictures of children | 02:13 |
SynQ | No, you don't know, or no you know it doesn't | 02:13 |
perlDreamer | I know that it does not. | 02:14 |
SynQ | gee | 02:14 |
SDuensin | "done" - but I didn't see anything get logged. | 02:14 |
SynQ | I didn't send them to you | 02:14 |
SynQ | I sent them to sarah | 02:14 |
SynQ | by proxy | 02:14 |
SDuensin | It just tried to run pbcron*04 again. 500 | 02:14 |
SynQ | here's a picture of Gooey: http://www.marij.net/uploads/FY/CY/FYCYHmnr_L-5aRAdKdUBMA/02-Octopus.jpg | 02:16 |
SDuensin | hahahaha | 02:16 |
SDuensin | That's great! | 02:16 |
@rizen | but it's got a kid attached to it | 02:16 |
@rizen | so it's invalid | 02:16 |
SynQ | it's Marij | 02:16 |
@rizen | it doesnt' matter who it is | 02:17 |
@rizen | also, you can't all "it" a "who" | 02:17 |
* SDuensin refers back to page 241. | 02:17 | |
@rizen | it doesn't get a "who" status until it can speak in complete sentences | 02:17 |
@rizen | sd, run spectre in debug mode in a new window | 02:18 |
SynQ | that picture is old, Marij can now speak in complete 6 word sentences | 02:18 |
SynQ | :) | 02:18 |
SDuensin | Do an ./rc.spectre stop first? | 02:18 |
@rizen | yes | 02:19 |
SDuensin | k | 02:19 |
SynQ | I gotta go to the toilet and I want some more cheese please | 02:19 |
SynQ | for example | 02:19 |
@rizen | SynQ, has anyone told you that you're baby crazy? | 02:19 |
SynQ | uh | 02:19 |
SDuensin | spectre.pl --run --debug is running | 02:20 |
SynQ | most of the time they skip the word baby | 02:20 |
@rizen | let it run for a few minutes | 02:20 |
SynQ | and just call me crazy | 02:20 |
@rizen | then pastebin the output | 02:20 |
SynQ | whoahahahaha | 02:20 |
* SynQ dances on his head | 02:20 | |
SynQ | but now I't time to go and walk the dog and sleep off the last few hours of my jetlag | 02:21 |
SynQ | nite all | 02:21 |
SynQ | I'll bug you again tomorrow :) | 02:21 |
SDuensin | rizen - http://pastebin.com/m76c8dbd7 | 02:21 |
@rizen | a FEW MINUTES | 02:22 |
@rizen | it hasn't even been a few minutes since i told you to do it | 02:22 |
SDuensin | Well, it showed the error right away. :-P | 02:22 |
SDuensin | I don't know if I can capture *minutes* with this terminal. | 02:22 |
SDuensin | Here's a piece out of the middle. http://pastebin.com/m20322acb | 02:24 |
@rizen | remember those two curl commands i gave you | 02:24 |
@rizen | run them with a :81 | 02:24 |
@rizen | in the url | 02:24 |
@rizen | at the end of the domain | 02:24 |
SDuensin | k | 02:25 |
SDuensin | "done" and "complete" | 02:28 |
SDuensin | This is all very odd. | 02:33 |
@rizen | ok then, i'm going to side with preaction and haarg that you need professional help | 02:33 |
SDuensin | More professional than you? :-P | 02:33 |
@rizen | no i mean login support | 02:34 |
@rizen | cuz either you're leaving stuff out or i don't know what else to ask | 02:34 |
SDuensin | Wish I had $5000. | 02:34 |
@preaction | probably be able to get to the answer right quick with access to the box | 02:34 |
@rizen | ad hoc login support is only $500 | 02:34 |
SDuensin | I'd rather you took a digit off the other side of that number. :-P | 02:36 |
@rizen | sorry man, i've asked what i can ask and you're giving me unparsable answers | 02:37 |
SDuensin | I wish I had better answers. All I can give is what the box tells me. | 02:37 |
@rizen | so you're either experiencing something completely new | 02:37 |
@rizen | or you're misdirecting me | 02:37 |
@rizen | which i can't believe you'd do | 02:37 |
* SDuensin votes for "completely new". | 02:37 | |
SDuensin | So weird it works from everywhere but Spectre. | 02:38 |
@rizen | is your sitename specified correctly in your webgui config file? | 02:39 |
@rizen | the only thing that i can tell you to do at this point is add some debug code to WebGUI::Operation::Workflow at www_runWorkflow | 02:40 |
SDuensin | Yea, it's correct. | 02:40 |
@rizen | and WebGUI::Operation::Cron www_runCronJob | 02:40 |
@rizen | so you can try to figure out what's going on | 02:40 |
@rizen | eval each line and spit out the $@ results | 02:40 |
SDuensin | I wish this was my real job. I've certainly pissed away more than $500 in time fighting it. <sigh> | 02:41 |
SDuensin | Those seem to work. I think Spectre is to blame. | 02:46 |
@rizen | i think it's your mom | 02:47 |
SDuensin | Na. Can't be her. She can't even send email. | 02:48 |
@khenn | I think it's preaction's mom | 02:48 |
@preaction | then why did you give her a commit bit? | 02:48 |
perlDreamer | Nepotism | 02:48 |
@preaction | not my fault she's hotter than your wife :( | 02:48 |
@khenn | don't talk about Kathy that way! | 02:49 |
* SDuensin is starting to miss WebGUI 5.x. | 02:56 | |
@rizen | don't even go there | 02:57 |
SDuensin | It loved me. :-) | 02:57 |
@rizen | yeah, but if i hear you say that again i'm going to pull out my nine and gat some motherf*ckers | 02:58 |
@preaction | OH NOES! | 02:58 |
SDuensin | 7.x - for some odd reason - has a problem with me being WebGUI's Biggest Fan. | 02:58 |
@rizen | it really doesn't | 02:59 |
SDuensin | Says you! It LIKES you! | 02:59 |
@rizen | it loves me | 02:59 |
@apeiron | ... probably because he *told* it to... /me coughs... | 03:02 |
SDuensin | hehe | 03:03 |
perlDreamer | perl 5.10 just went into code freeze | 03:09 |
* perlDreamer wants //= | 03:10 | |
@preaction | mmmmmmmmm 5.10 | 03:10 |
SDuensin | Are they still making any progress on 6 / Parrot? | 03:10 |
perlDreamer | that's not a straight forward question | 03:10 |
SDuensin | hehe | 03:10 |
perlDreamer | The language design is going well | 03:10 |
perlDreamer | Of the 5 perl 6 implementations... | 03:11 |
SDuensin | The WHAT?! | 03:11 |
SDuensin | FIVE? | 03:11 |
perlDreamer | pugs is languishing since the lead programmer has been sick for a long time | 03:11 |
SDuensin | WTF is Pugs? | 03:11 |
perlDreamer | Parrot is proceeding, but slowly. It suffered from too many changes in lead programmers | 03:11 |
SDuensin | And that sucks about the programmer. | 03:11 |
perlDreamer | mp6 (mostly perl 6) has been dead a long time | 03:12 |
perlDreamer | kp6 (kinda perl 6) has a new backend, where it compiles perl 6 code using a perl 5 based parser and an AST transformer | 03:12 |
perlDreamer | hm | 03:12 |
perlDreamer | I seem to be short one implementation | 03:12 |
perlDreamer | or two | 03:12 |
SDuensin | "Mostly" and "Kinda"? Hehehe | 03:12 |
perlDreamer | Pugs is the Haskell based perl 6 prototyping system | 03:13 |
perlDreamer | it is the most complete perl 6 implementation in existence | 03:13 |
SDuensin | Ah, ok. I've heard of that - just didn't know it was called Pugs. | 03:13 |
perlDreamer | a lot of perl6-isms are being backported to perl 5 | 03:16 |
perlDreamer | like //= | 03:16 |
* SDuensin has no idea what that is. | 03:16 | |
@preaction | the new given/when | 03:16 |
perlDreamer | do you know what ||= is ? | 03:16 |
SDuensin | No. Perl scares me. | 03:17 |
perlDreamer | well, //= is very similar, only it is defined-or instead of logical-or | 03:17 |
* SDuensin can read Perl, but writing is a bit rough. | 03:17 | |
perlDreamer | hm, ||= is a shortcut for $var = $var || 'something' else | 03:17 |
perlDreamer | $var ||= 'something' | 03:18 |
SDuensin | Makes sense. | 03:18 |
perlDreamer | now, //= is a shortcut for | 03:18 |
perlDreamer | $var = (defined $var ? $var : 'something'); | 03:18 |
perlDreamer | it works on definedness instead of truth | 03:18 |
SDuensin | I can see where that'd be handy. | 03:19 |
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perlDreamer | SDuensin: Do you really find Java easier/different from Perl? | 03:41 |
@rizen | java is pretty damn easy | 03:42 |
@rizen | but i think perl is easier | 03:42 |
SDuensin | I'm sure it's what you're used to. For me, Java is easier. | 03:43 |
perlDreamer | home is always more comfortable | 03:44 |
@preaction | casting primitives frustrates me to no end | 03:44 |
SDuensin | I learned Java just to work with that ZK toolkit. I plan on buffing up my Perl for WebGUI. | 03:45 |
@apeiron | SDuensin, Get yourself hence to Learning Perl. Best way, IMO. | 03:45 |
SDuensin | That one of the animal books? | 03:46 |
perlDreamer | Llama | 03:46 |
@preaction | the llama book | 03:46 |
@preaction | perlbot learn perl | 03:46 |
perlbot | http://learn.perl.org/library/beginning_perl/ | 03:46 |
@preaction | hum... that's not the right one | 03:46 |
perlDreamer | actually, if you're a programmer, I'd recommend just going straight to Programming Perl, the camel book instead | 03:46 |
SDuensin | I had both of those at one of my previous jobs. Didn't steal them when I left. :-( | 03:47 |
@preaction | beginning perl is for non-programmers. learning perl is for non-Perlers | 03:47 |
@rizen | and i have an even better recommendation that supersedes what all these yahoos have told you. get a copy of the perl black book. it's out of print, but worth every penny | 03:47 |
@apeiron | Hey, I'm not a yahoo, dammit. I'm just a run of the mill nutjob. :) | 03:48 |
@rizen | the little black book is pretty good too, but the full perl black book is even better if you can find it | 03:48 |
@rizen | lots more examples | 03:48 |
SDuensin | Found both of them. | 03:49 |
@preaction | you just like it because it's "black" | 03:49 |
@apeiron | And 'little' | 03:49 |
@rizen | $apeiron->castAs("dickwad"); | 03:49 |
SDuensin | If any of you guys are after books, check www.abebooks.com - they have some GREAT prices! | 03:49 |
@apeiron | tee hee | 03:49 |
@preaction | to be quite honest, perldoc is about the best resource for learning perl there ever will be | 03:49 |
@apeiron | rizen++ # comical | 03:49 |
@preaction | perlbot karma for rizen | 03:49 |
perlbot | Karma for rizen: 1 | 03:49 |
@preaction | he's on the board! | 03:49 |
@rizen | actually it's not just cuz it's black. ask frank. it really is the best perl book ever | 03:50 |
SDuensin | http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?isbn=1576104656&sts=t&x=24&y=9 | 03:50 |
@rizen | yup that's it | 03:51 |
@rizen | i wish corilis didn't go out of business | 03:52 |
perlDreamer | why not find the author and see if he can release the work? | 03:52 |
@rizen | the black book series were the best tech books ever made | 03:52 |
@rizen | i believe that o'reilly bought the rights | 03:53 |
@rizen | wow, i never knew about this abe books store | 03:53 |
@rizen | it's awesome | 03:53 |
perlDreamer | http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/1932111107/ | 03:54 |
perlDreamer | It's still available | 03:54 |
@rizen | oh sweet: http://www.paraglyphpress.com/about.php | 03:56 |
@rizen | it lives again | 03:56 |
@rizen | they're rebulding from the ashes | 03:56 |
@rizen | here's to hoping they can get holzner to update the PBB to 5.10 | 03:56 |
* perlDreamer goes home | 03:57 | |
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SDuensin | Yea, I love Abe. | 03:58 |
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khenn_ | yep, the Black Book > all other Perl books | 05:09 |
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+perlDreamer | is the 7.5 release imminent? | 06:35 |
@preaction | nowhere near | 06:35 |
+perlDreamer | good | 06:36 |
@preaction | weren't you listening during the keynote? | 06:36 |
+Radix-wrk | What's new in 7.5? | 06:36 |
+perlDreamer | You won't believe it! | 06:36 |
@preaction | Radix-wrk, not finalized yet, but there's the Gallery asset at least | 06:36 |
+Radix-wrk | What was said in the keynote? | 06:36 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI is going to be rewritten in befunge! | 06:36 |
@preaction | i thought he said brainf*ck | 06:36 |
+perlDreamer | too verbose | 06:36 |
+Radix-wrk | awesome | 06:36 |
+perlDreamer | Lots of AJAX on the horizon | 06:36 |
+perlDreamer | A brand new, dedicated photo gallery | 06:37 |
@preaction | Gallery will, out of the box, provide Flickr-like collaborative photo gallerys | 06:37 |
+Radix-wrk | cool | 06:37 |
+perlDreamer | Video sharing (WebGUI Video) will be like YouTube | 06:37 |
@apeiron | And it'll even pluralize 'gallery' correctly! | 06:37 |
@preaction | the Video thing is being implemented via the Gallery, the Gallery is going to be awesomecore | 06:38 |
+perlDreamer | Lots of social application kinds of things | 06:38 |
+Radix-wrk | this using JT's thingy? | 06:38 |
@preaction | the Friends Network thing has been committed already | 06:38 |
@preaction | nope, the Thingy is different, and that should be in 7.5 too | 06:38 |
+perlDreamer | The Things will be out, too | 06:38 |
+perlDreamer | Is Commerce in 7.5? | 06:39 |
@preaction | a new release cycle of 6 months for feature releases, keeping one-week bugfix releases until the new Patch-based release system gets finished | 06:39 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, patches! | 06:39 |
@preaction | i think Commerce may make it into 7.5 if not i Know JT's been doing the design already, so it might be 7.6 | 06:40 |
@preaction | but iirc that's the 8.0 milestone, actually | 06:40 |
* perlDreamer goes to check the roadmap | 06:41 | |
+Radix-wrk | Sounds like a number of interesting things are ahead then | 06:41 |
@preaction | oh yes | 06:41 |
@preaction | we're at the cusp of a great evolution of WebGUI | 06:41 |
+perlDreamer | what happened to the roadmap? | 06:41 |
@preaction | durno | 06:42 |
@preaction | i know the EMS is going to be redone sooner rather than later, but that's contingent on the Commerce rewrite | 06:43 |
@preaction | i was thinking about making it a subclass of the Calendar, since a few people have expressed interest in getting Calendar views for their EMS | 06:43 |
+perlDreamer | mixin | 06:44 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: have you pursued your MasterContainer Wobject idea? | 06:44 |
@preaction | oh, and the biggest development: code in the core is no longer allowed without full test suites | 06:44 |
@preaction | no, unfortunately. the DumbContainer has taken a backseat to the AssetReport | 06:45 |
+Radix-wrk | Someone needs to post a review of the WUC somewhere so those of us who could not attend could at least catch up on the main points :) | 06:45 |
+perlDreamer | http://use.perl.org/~colink | 06:45 |
+perlDreamer | AssetReport? | 06:45 |
@preaction | cap10morgan gave one on the contribs page, but it has too much Navigation and not enough SQLReport power | 06:45 |
@preaction | it's basically a replacement for using SQLReports to get Assets | 06:45 |
+perlDreamer | oh, yeah | 06:45 |
@preaction | i've got everything done except a Constraints tab (to provide a "where" clause) and the test suite | 06:46 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: I won't forget to read through the WebGUI::Test options | 06:46 |
+perlDreamer | but I just found a Help bug that I want to quash | 06:46 |
@preaction | maybe i should merge the WebGUI::Test::Maker from my photogallery branch | 06:47 |
+perlDreamer | Yes! | 06:47 |
+Radix-wrk | cheers pd - just looking at your journal entries now | 06:47 |
+Radix-wrk | should write it up for slashdot or something I reckon.. get some news out there about webgui | 06:47 |
+perlDreamer | Do we still make release announcements to LWN.net? | 06:48 |
+Radix-wrk | congrats on contributor of the year award too :) | 06:49 |
+perlDreamer | Thank you. | 06:49 |
+perlDreamer | It doesn't hurt that I get 2-3 months per year of downtime at $dayJob | 06:49 |
+perlDreamer | Those guys are just nuts. | 06:49 |
+Radix-wrk | don't think releases are made on LWN - though it looks like the 2007 WebGUI users conference was | 06:51 |
@preaction | WebGUI::Test::Maker committed to trunk | 06:51 |
@preaction | isn't there a bot that will track revisions to SVN and post them in the channel? | 06:52 |
@preaction | got... i need more free time... there's a SQL::Translator thing that would be awesome for WebGUI releases (use GraphViz to include a visual ERD for each release of WebGUI) | 06:53 |
@preaction | the smoke tests haven't been posted to a WebGUI forum in forever and a day | 06:53 |
@apeiron | preaction, CIA. | 06:53 |
@preaction | Caffiene Injector Action? | 06:54 |
@preaction | Crack Ingestion Assumed? | 06:54 |
@apeiron | uh | 06:55 |
+Radix-wrk | Cheers In Advance | 06:55 |
@apeiron | I'm not sure to what the acronym expands. | 06:55 |
@apeiron | Or even if it is an acronym. | 06:55 |
+Radix-wrk | Christians in April | 06:55 |
@apeiron | Anywho, cia.vc | 06:55 |
@preaction | that svn thing i was talking about? | 06:55 |
@apeiron | Yeah. | 06:55 |
+perlDreamer | smoke tests are back online already | 06:59 |
@preaction | we should change the +v that WebGUI Contributers get into a +h, so they have power to keep some order in the channel | 06:59 |
@preaction | orly? | 06:59 |
+perlDreamer | orly? | 06:59 |
@preaction | yarly | 06:59 |
@preaction | perlbot orly | 06:59 |
+perlDreamer | ah | 07:00 |
@preaction | perlbot orly is yarly | 07:00 |
perlbot | added orly to the database | 07:00 |
@apeiron | preaction, We can do that after you submit a patch to dancer to allow for +h. :) | 07:00 |
@preaction | this isn't dancer, this is hyperion. i could've swore they had halfop | 07:00 |
@preaction | nope, guess not | 07:01 |
@preaction | they killed dancer for some reason and are now calling it hyperion | 07:01 |
@apeiron | eh, whatev. I just know it doesn't have +h. :) | 07:01 |
@preaction | nope, just ov | 07:01 |
@preaction | PREFIX=(ov)@+ | 07:01 |
@preaction | interesting: the IRC server refers to itself as "dancer", but the welcome message says "hyperion-1.0.2b" | 07:02 |
@preaction | s/interesting/boring/ | 07:02 |
+perlDreamer | s/boring/schizo-aliased/ | 07:02 |
@apeiron | I shall add that to my defence of believing why this was dancer and not hyperion. :) | 07:03 |
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@preaction | CIA-39, botsnack? | 07:04 |
@preaction | lame. | 07:04 |
+perlDreamer | what's the commit check interval? | 07:06 |
@preaction | 15 minutes | 07:06 |
@preaction | we don't have anything to ping it, so it has to wait | 07:06 |
+perlDreamer | does it limit message rates so it won't rate a killfile entry? | 07:06 |
@preaction | but you may want to go to cia.vc and add yourself as an Author on the WebGUI project | 07:06 |
@preaction | i would hope so | 07:07 |
@preaction | it's on like a dozen other channels | 07:07 |
@preaction | i imagine they only spawn new bots when the existing ones reach the channel limit | 07:07 |
+perlDreamer | there were lots of problems with the svnbotl on #parrot, it almost got banned. | 07:08 |
@preaction | nice | 07:08 |
@preaction | looks like CIA.vc also provides an RSS feed for commits | 07:09 |
@preaction | doesn't SVN::Web do the same thing? | 07:10 |
+perlDreamer | I think so | 07:10 |
@apeiron | Maybe not for projects not using SVN. | 07:10 |
+perlDreamer | yup | 07:10 |
+perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/rss/WebGUI/ | 07:10 |
@preaction | of course, i just don't believe in unnecessary obfuscation of using CIA's servers when I can use the native one | 07:11 |
+perlDreamer | you can basically get an RSS feed for any level in SVN | 07:11 |
@preaction | it's been a month since I started using an RSS reader, and I'm wondering why the heck i waited this long ;) | 07:11 |
@apeiron | RSS: all the information you never knew you cared about until it became hip. | 07:12 |
@preaction | unfair: i use it so i don't have to check my webcomics and Worse Than Failure 5 times a day for updates | 07:13 |
+perlDreamer | reminds me, I have to check xkcd | 07:13 |
@apeiron | baha, the caption (not the image caption) on the newest one is great. | 07:14 |
@preaction | are you saying that wikipedia's a bad resource to learn about foreplay? | 07:16 |
+perlDreamer | isa relationships got broke in the Help somewhere | 07:16 |
@preaction | that's not good | 07:16 |
+perlDreamer | maybe I should build a test for it :) | 07:17 |
@preaction | sounds like a good idea! | 07:17 |
@preaction | rofl i did a --dry-run and thought it committed... | 07:18 |
CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r4879 /WebGUI/t/i18n/help.t: don't need no stinking lib | 07:18 |
CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r4880 /WebGUI/t/i18n/help.t: don't need no stinking File::Find | 07:18 |
+perlDreamer | I really need to have fewer online identies | 07:19 |
@preaction | okay, that was totally not the bot's fault, COLIN | 07:19 |
+perlDreamer | 2/second is usually okay | 07:19 |
@apeiron | perlDreamer, Sometimes I wish I had more. | 07:21 |
+perlDreamer | why for? | 07:22 |
@apeiron | Anonymity is sometimes a good thing. :) | 07:22 |
@preaction | i've got a legacy with old ones, i keep changing to more PC names | 07:22 |
@apeiron | Let's hear the non-PC ones! | 07:23 |
@preaction | Hawkaloogie was about the least PC as I got | 07:23 |
@preaction | everyone just HAD to comment on it | 07:23 |
* apeiron notes that he hasn't. | 07:23 | |
@apeiron | Although all those hours in MMOs might have desensitised me a smidgeon... | 07:24 |
@preaction | mayhaps | 07:24 |
@preaction | 16-yr-olds with P3n15ma5t3r just doesn't seem as clever anymore | 07:25 |
+perlDreamer | ye're getting old | 07:25 |
@apeiron | Oh, yeah, now you have d4rkp3n15m5t3r. | 07:25 |
@preaction | oh GOD YES | 07:25 |
@preaction | i'm 24, i can't be old yet | 07:26 |
@apeiron | I saw several names with 'dark' in them when I was WoWing last night. | 07:26 |
* perlDreamer grieves | 07:30 | |
+perlDreamer | a test has been obsoleted | 07:30 |
+perlDreamer | time to crash out | 07:32 |
+perlDreamer | we old folk need our rest | 07:32 |
+perlDreamer | night, all | 07:32 |
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CIA-39 | WebGUI: doug * r4881 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Added WebGUI::Test::Maker | 07:33 |
CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r4882 /WebGUI/t/Help/setHelp.t: setHelp.t is not needed since all help icons point to the wiki | 07:33 |
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@preaction | morning people from across the pond | 10:10 |
AMH_bob | Goodmorning Doug! | 10:26 |
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SDuensin | Greetings! | 16:41 |
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+MrHairgrease | hey frank | 17:08 |
+MrHairgrease | do you know when tavis will be posting his remaining wuc photos? | 17:08 |
SDuensin | Morning, MrHairgrease | 17:09 |
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+MrHairgrease | greetings sduensin | 17:13 |
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@khenn | I don't know | 17:14 |
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perlDreamer | be forewarned, there may be a problem with one of the tests | 19:05 |
perlDreamer | I ran a test coverage suite last night, and my config file got corrupted | 19:06 |
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@khenn | quiet today =p | 23:51 |
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MrHairgreas2 | now look what you've done khenn! | 23:51 |
@khenn | what is that? | 23:51 |
@khenn | disturbed the peace? | 23:52 |
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+MrHairgrease | your complaining made sduensin leave =) | 23:53 |
@khenn | I wasn't complaining. I merely noted that it was quiet today | 23:54 |
+MrHairgrease | why do you have to be so negative? | 23:55 |
@khenn | why are you always reading between the lines? =p | 23:55 |
+MrHairgrease | you could've also said. People sure are busy today hacking webgui! | 23:55 |
@apeiron | Yes, he could've said that. | 23:55 |
+MrHairgrease | That's the spirit | 23:55 |
+MrHairgrease | YES | 23:56 |
+MrHairgrease | say it with me | 23:56 |
@apeiron | People sure are busy hacking webgui today! | 23:56 |
+MrHairgrease | and become a better positive person | 23:56 |
+MrHairgrease | YES!!! | 23:56 |
@apeiron | (me, I'm testing a workflow, waiting for a long-running process to complete before I know if I got it right) | 23:56 |
@khenn | I could also just issue random positive statments | 23:57 |
* MrHairgrease is watching a very quiet channel waiting for people to finally say something | 23:57 | |
@khenn | people sure are busy fixing WebGUI bugs today | 23:57 |
+MrHairgrease | frank's seen the light =) | 23:58 |
@khenn | especially MrHairgrease who claims he will have them all fixed by end of business tomorrow! | 23:58 |
+MrHairgrease | you keep using those drugs boy | 23:59 |
@khenn | who also said he's be finished with a full test suite for all of WebGUI by the end of October | 23:59 |
@khenn | =) | 23:59 |
+MrHairgrease | AND the alcohol | 23:59 |
+MrHairgrease | =) | 23:59 |
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* perlDreamer hears snapcount's crickets again | 01:00 | |
perlDreamer | Where is everybody? | 01:00 |
+MrHairgrease | in the netherlands of course | 01:00 |
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perlDreamer | Offhand, do you know how big a compiled and installed WRE is? | 01:05 |
perlDreamer | I'm thinking about a thumbdrive based install of the WRE. | 01:06 |
perlDreamer | Actually, on a separate topic, I think I know the secret of WebGUI's popularity problem. | 01:11 |
perlDreamer | It's the name | 01:11 |
perlDreamer | Everyone seems to have settled on Nuke as a required part of a CMS | 01:11 |
perlDreamer | PHPNuke | 01:11 |
perlDreamer | PostNuke | 01:11 |
perlDreamer | DotNetNuke | 01:11 |
perlDreamer | So we'll need to rename WebGUI | 01:11 |
perlDreamer | WebNuke | 01:11 |
perlDreamer | NukeGUI | 01:11 |
perlDreamer | WebGUINuke | 01:11 |
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CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r4883 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/User.pm: remove extra whitespace that was interfering with POD parsing. | 01:33 |
CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r4884 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Friends.pm: fix broken POD command in Friends | 01:33 |
knowmad | perlDreamer: "I'm thinking about a thumbdrive based install of the WRE." -- how about a vmware image? | 01:36 |
knowmad | i've got a project to build a bootable linux cd; maybe we can use it to figure out how to create a bootable iso that would startup wG on a local workstation | 01:36 |
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* MrHairgrease concurs with perldreamer that joomla, mambo, plone, wordpress and drupal all sound exactly like nuke =) | 01:37 | |
knowmad | both of those options would save install headaches | 01:37 |
knowmad | MrHairgrease: In what language? | 01:37 |
+MrHairgrease | none that i know off | 01:37 |
knowmad | :) | 01:38 |
+MrHairgrease | maybe garbled crap | 01:38 |
+MrHairgrease | but that's more rizen's forte | 01:38 |
knowmad | isn't that the language they were all written in? | 01:38 |
+MrHairgrease | =) | 01:38 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah | 01:38 |
+MrHairgrease | by the pointy haired programmers | 01:38 |
knowmad | that's a scary image | 01:38 |
+MrHairgrease | or maybe point headed programmers | 01:39 |
+MrHairgrease | it doesn't matter | 01:39 |
knowmad | i've got to go home; my dogs are hungry | 01:39 |
+MrHairgrease | webgui is programmed in a language that allows ascii art beer bottles to actually be valid cod | 01:39 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 01:39 |
+MrHairgrease | well goodbye i guess | 01:40 |
knowmad | and don't we all need that! | 01:40 |
knowmad | goodbye | 01:40 |
+MrHairgrease | yes we do | 01:40 |
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CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r4885 /WebGUI/t/i18n/label.t: make sure that no files are accidently skipped, and emit comments via diag, not warn | 01:48 |
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perlDreamer | preaction: your editor leaks spaces | 02:00 |
@preaction | how so? | 02:00 |
perlDreamer | well, you made a commit (and I'm assuming that it's your code, perhaps wrongly) where there was a whole bunch of extra white space | 02:01 |
perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=4874 | 02:01 |
perlDreamer | and it caused the Whitespace.t test to fail (which does POD syntax checking for strict parsers) | 02:01 |
@preaction | nope, that was Frank/JTs code | 02:02 |
perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=4883 | 02:02 |
perlDreamer | ah, okay | 02:02 |
@preaction | i only had to fix a minor conflict and test | 02:02 |
perlDreamer | my bad | 02:02 |
@preaction | oh, i see. the lines with only whitespace on them | 02:02 |
@preaction | yeah, that's kinda ugly. i imagine it's Frank's HomeSite that's doing it | 02:03 |
@preaction | vim is what I use, and iirc that's what JT uses | 02:03 |
@preaction | and iirc vim clears out lines that only have whitespace on them | 02:03 |
perlDreamer | unless you have autoindent set up strangely, yes | 02:04 |
@preaction | i dunno, i did change my vimrc file recently, but hope that didn't munge anything up | 02:04 |
@preaction | it helps me see glaring problems with indenting (since tab chars are still 8 wide, but my tabs are 4 spaces) | 02:05 |
+MrHairgrease | hear hear | 02:05 |
+MrHairgrease | http://www.cs.bgu.ac.il/~orlovm/code/emacs/viman.gif | 02:05 |
@preaction | lol | 02:05 |
@preaction | KFC "Famous Bowls" are quite possibly the most ugly collection of awesome-tasting goodness ever constructed: http://www.theimpulsivebuy.com/?p=408 | 02:10 |
@preaction | Mashed Potatoes + Brown Gravy + Corn + Fried Chicken Bites + Cheese + Bowl = FAMOUS | 02:10 |
@rizen | WRE is about 250 mb before you add any sites | 02:12 |
perlDreamer | gotta go | 02:16 |
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@apeiron | preaction, Look up Wikipedia's entry for scrapple. | 02:56 |
@apeiron | preaction, I've declared it as veritably ambrosia. But anyone who reads about it is utterly disgusted. | 02:57 |
@apeiron | hmm. They probably don't have that out in WI. =\ | 02:57 |
@rizen | somebody needs to write all kinds of cool stuff about plain black and webgui in wikipedia | 02:57 |
@apeiron | We can't. | 02:57 |
@preaction | doesn't look any worse than meatloaf | 02:57 |
@apeiron | Someone *else* can, though. | 02:57 |
@preaction | we could, sure, we just can't lie | 02:58 |
@preaction | there's no real "plainblack IP block" they could detect ;) | 02:58 |
@rizen | are you saying that there is no "cool stuff" to write about us | 02:58 |
@rizen | cuz i think there's all kinds of cool stuff | 02:58 |
@apeiron | I'm saying that Wikipedia has policies against employees writing about their employers. | 02:59 |
@preaction | it's more of a wikipedia policy of "original research" | 02:59 |
@apeiron | That too. | 02:59 |
@preaction | as in "no original research" | 02:59 |
@apeiron | And it probably also violates the neutral point of view policy, too. | 02:59 |
@rizen | ok, apeiron, you're fired | 02:59 |
Radix__ | i can | 02:59 |
@rizen | now go write about us on wikipedia | 03:00 |
@rizen | hehe | 03:00 |
@apeiron | Damn. | 03:00 |
@rizen | then when you're done, let me know and i'll rehire you | 03:00 |
@apeiron | uhm, what would I go write? | 03:01 |
@apeiron | "gee, these guys suck, they hired me for two weeks and then fired me" | 03:01 |
@rizen | no, you'd write cool stuff | 03:01 |
@rizen | cuz you know i'm going to hire you again when you're done | 03:01 |
@rizen | actually i should go see what it says about us on wikipedia, cuz we've been getting quite a bit of traffic from there | 03:02 |
@apeiron | Wow, interesting. | 03:02 |
@apeiron | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_content_management_systems | 03:03 |
@apeiron | That's probably why. | 03:03 |
@apeiron | We're one of the few FOSS CMSs listed for Perl. | 03:03 |
@rizen | we are one of the only perl ones in existence | 03:04 |
@rizen | not just listed, but just plain available | 03:04 |
@apeiron | That too. :) | 03:04 |
@rizen | there are only 4 that i know of | 03:04 |
@rizen | tiki (wiki) | 03:04 |
@rizen | bricolage (new oriented sites) | 03:04 |
@rizen | metadot (intranets) | 03:04 |
@rizen | webgui (general purpose) | 03:05 |
@rizen | s/new/news/ | 03:05 |
@apeiron | The listing there has Scoop and Slashcode listed. | 03:05 |
@apeiron | But they're closer to Bric, right? | 03:05 |
@rizen | oh i forgot about slashcode | 03:05 |
@rizen | slash is a blog, it runs slashdot | 03:05 |
@rizen | i don't know what scoop is | 03:05 |
@rizen | i'll have to see | 03:05 |
@apeiron | They also list Cyclone3, which apparently runs on a morass of Perl, XUL, JS, C, and Java (*shudder*) | 03:06 |
Radix__ | I attended a talk about one while I was at the YAPC::Europe which was written in perl also | 03:06 |
Radix__ | it's much like webgui actually.. but much cruder | 03:06 |
Radix__ | written by one guy who had heard of webgui, but never tried it | 03:06 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah | 03:06 |
+MrHairgrease | that guy was on the channel a couple of weeks back | 03:07 |
@apeiron | Was it WebFUI? :) | 03:07 |
Radix__ | yeah, I told him to drop in and say hi | 03:07 |
+MrHairgrease | webphooey | 03:07 |
@rizen | Radix, that guy came on the IRC channel after you talked to him | 03:07 |
@rizen | i looked at his project | 03:07 |
@apeiron | Ah, I missed the 'written in perl' part. | 03:07 |
Radix__ | I wore my webgui t-shirt the first day at the conference | 03:07 |
+MrHairgrease | which is based on php | 03:07 |
@rizen | it's where webgui was about 4 years ago | 03:07 |
@rizen | he said he really just writes it for therapy | 03:07 |
Radix__ | rizen: yup, that's what I thought | 03:08 |
Radix__ | we should get him to start working on webgui instead - he'll need more therapy if he does that tho | 03:08 |
+MrHairgrease | speak for yourself | 03:08 |
@rizen | i tried to get him to do that | 03:08 |
+MrHairgrease | some people run fine on liquor | 03:08 |
+MrHairgrease | =) | 03:09 |
@rizen | but he said he has too much invested in his | 03:09 |
Radix__ | heh | 03:09 |
@rizen | scoop looks like slashcode | 03:09 |
Radix__ | Well.. off to work.. afk | 03:09 |
+MrHairgrease | ok time to go to sleep | 03:09 |
+MrHairgrease | later | 03:09 |
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@apeiron | Cyclone's UI looks nice, but I personally think the four / five different implementation languages would make it a nightmare. | 03:23 |
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@rizen | cyclone is a publishing only system, not a dynamic system like webgui | 03:58 |
@apeiron | ah. | 03:59 |
SDuensin | Hey gang. | 04:01 |
SDuensin | rizen - Thanks again, man. I owe you. | 04:01 |
@rizen | yeah you do | 04:02 |
@rizen | hehe | 04:02 |
@rizen | you need to write some articles about webgui and get them published somewhere | 04:03 |
@rizen | we need press | 04:03 |
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+SDuensin | Press is good. | 04:05 |
+SDuensin | I've not written anything, but short of holding a WebGUI parade, I do a pretty good job in person. :-) | 04:05 |
@preaction | personal blog? | 04:06 |
+SDuensin | Nope. But a professional one soon. :-) | 04:06 |
+SDuensin | (Running on WebGUI, of course!) | 04:06 |
@preaction | i need to add an RFE for a "Blog" collab system variant that interfaces with the new Friends system and allows LiveJournal-type sites | 04:08 |
@apeiron | So then people can use WebGUI to talk about how awful their lives are? | 04:08 |
+SDuensin | Friends system? | 04:08 |
@preaction | apeiron, i was thinking more of having a staff blog where we can talk about Public stuff and Private stuff | 04:09 |
@preaction | SDuensin, new in 7.5 | 04:09 |
@apeiron | preaction, Ahh. | 04:09 |
+SDuensin | preaction - Oooo! Color me excited! | 04:09 |
@preaction | SDuensin, the new Gallery asset makes use of it to form a type of "Flickr"-like site | 04:09 |
+SDuensin | Even more excited! | 04:10 |
@rizen | and the blog variant should also use the blogger api so that third party blog tools work with it | 04:10 |
@rizen | what? | 04:10 |
@rizen | really the gallery uses the friends system? | 04:10 |
+Radix-wrk | Sounds awesome | 04:12 |
@preaction | rizen, yes, "public" and "private" photos in albums | 04:12 |
+SDuensin | Well, preaction, quit chattin' and get that sucker released! :-P | 04:13 |
@preaction | laugh, i'm looking at 5000+ lines of code for this one | 04:14 |
@preaction | without templates | 04:14 |
+SDuensin | :-) | 04:14 |
@preaction | i'm probably about 1/4 of the way there, which is not a good measure of my completion since much of it so far has been skeletons that i'm filling in | 04:14 |
@rizen | preaction, the tests are all written then? | 04:15 |
@preaction | for the photo asset, which i'm filling in now, yes | 04:15 |
+SDuensin | rizen, you ever think about getting interviewed on FOSS Weekly or some other podcast? | 04:16 |
@rizen | sd you must not have read my blog post this week | 04:18 |
+SDuensin | No. I haven't. I'm bad. | 04:18 |
+SDuensin | Whoa. It's black. | 04:18 |
@preaction | it's JT :p | 04:18 |
@rizen | wait...you've never seen the black blog before? | 04:19 |
+SDuensin | You need the shirt my sister has. It's a black T that says, "I'll only wear black until I find something darker." | 04:19 |
@rizen | heh, i do need that | 04:19 |
@apeiron | Sign me up for one, too. | 04:20 |
+SDuensin | I'll have to find out where she got it. | 04:22 |
+SDuensin | FLOSS Weekly show about WebGUI has been requested. :-) | 04:35 |
@rizen | what? | 04:36 |
@rizen | my article said you were supposed to promote webgui | 04:36 |
@rizen | cuz you're more credible than me | 04:36 |
+SDuensin | Well *I* requested it. And I'll provide them more info if they ask. However, they like to talk to the people who actually know WTF they're talking about. :-) | 04:37 |
@rizen | ok well i'll do the interview | 04:38 |
@rizen | but you still owe me an article or two | 04:38 |
+SDuensin | I'll see what I can do. :-D | 04:38 |
+SDuensin | We use WebGUI for some sites that get traffic/news (like that www.kevinmhuntfoundation.org site). Might be able to put something together about how WebGUI made those sites possible. | 04:39 |
+SDuensin | We threw that KMH Foundation site up *FAST*. No way it could have been done with "traditional" tools. | 04:39 |
@rizen | that's what i want to see | 04:40 |
+Radix-wrk | I built this site: www.tenpartinvention.com in about 10 hours from scratch. | 04:40 |
@rizen | that would be a great story | 04:40 |
@preaction | Radix-wrk, would there be a way to get a Gravatar into a user profile? would it be as simple as making a field for the user's gravatar ID and then using the macro you wrote where appropriate? | 04:42 |
+Radix-wrk | all you need to know is their gravatar id yeah | 04:42 |
@rizen | sd, i'm speaking at http://www.acm.org/ next month | 04:43 |
@rizen | and in houston next week | 04:43 |
+SDuensin | Sweet. Put it on Google Video. :-) | 04:43 |
@rizen | and somwhere else at the end of november | 04:43 |
@rizen | i'm getting killed with all this media stuff these days | 04:44 |
@rizen | that's why i need you to write articles | 04:44 |
+Radix-wrk | it'll be worth it tho :) | 04:44 |
@preaction | rizen, it's all your fault for hiring Tavis... i knew he was bad news from the beginning | 04:44 |
@rizen | yup..it was a terrible decision | 04:45 |
+Radix-wrk | Who's tavis? | 04:45 |
@preaction | Director of Media Relations at plainblack | 04:45 |
@rizen | pb's director of media relations | 04:45 |
+Radix-wrk | Ahh.. I see :) | 04:45 |
@preaction | and imho damn good at his job | 04:45 |
+Radix-wrk | sounds like it :) | 04:46 |
@rizen | what makes your opinion honest? | 04:46 |
@rizen | i understand when people say imo | 04:46 |
@preaction | today at Walmart I had someone ask me who I was | 04:46 |
@rizen | but imho makes no sense | 04:46 |
@preaction | humble | 04:46 |
@rizen | oh | 04:46 |
+Radix-wrk | only liars think it means 'honest' | 04:46 |
@rizen | i must be a liar then | 04:46 |
+Radix-wrk | heh | 04:47 |
@rizen | cuz i always thought it meant honest | 04:47 |
@preaction | seriously. there was that big thing about "Do you know who this is?" at the restaurant monday night, and now more than a week later and 150 miles away, people are asking me who i am | 04:47 |
@rizen | but i never used it cuz i thought it was pompas | 04:47 |
@rizen | hehe | 04:47 |
@rizen | your reputation precedes you | 04:47 |
@preaction | it's messed up | 04:47 |
@rizen | tavis' influence is greater than you imagined | 04:47 |
@preaction | it's starting to scare me a bit | 04:47 |
@apeiron | preaction, Dude, I don't know who you are any more! | 04:48 |
+Radix-wrk | who are you preaction ? | 04:48 |
@preaction | Funny joke along those same lines: http://humour.200ok.com.au/popular_kev.html | 04:48 |
* preaction looks incredulous | 04:48 | |
+Radix-wrk | heh | 04:50 |
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CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r4886 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): profile field and dashbaord fixes | 09:18 |
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CIA-39 | WebGUI: doug * r4887 /branch/photogallery/WebGUI/ (15 files in 8 dirs): more tests, started Photo development, changed some naming | 09:33 |
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CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r4888 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (7 files in 6 dirs): merging 7.5 fixes | 09:48 |
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AMH_bob | Hi preaction, running the midnight oil? Or are you in Europe? | 10:28 |
@preaction | midnight movies | 10:29 |
AMH_bob | Sweet! | 10:29 |
AMH_bob | Not for me, I still shaking off the jetlag. | 10:29 |
CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r4889 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.4.11 release | 10:48 |
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CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r4890 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm: fix collaboration system sorting | 11:03 |
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CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r4891 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm: typo | 11:18 |
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CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r4892 /releases/WebGUI_7.4.11-stable: Release 7.4.11-stable | 14:33 |
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SynQ | hi there | 15:35 |
SynQ | we are trying to get some kind of 'register and reply to your e-mail before your account can be activated' way of authentication done | 15:41 |
SynQ | I recall this being just a part of WebGUI | 15:41 |
SynQ | but I can't seem to find it now | 15:41 |
SynQ | I guess if something like this were possible it would be in the WebGUI Administration Guide | 15:41 |
SynQ | but snailmail is soooo slooooow | 15:42 |
SynQ | it's not yet here | 15:42 |
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SynQ | ah | 15:45 |
SynQ | hi rory | 15:45 |
roryzweistra | hi! | 15:45 |
SynQ | do you know a way to 'register and reply to your e-mail before your account can be activated' way of authentication done | 15:46 |
SynQ | or something | 15:46 |
roryzweistra | hmmm......... not really | 15:46 |
SynQ | k | 15:47 |
AMH_mari | Isn't this under site settings -> authentication -> Validate email addresses ? | 15:47 |
AMH_mari | Validate email addresses | 15:48 |
AMH_mari | Before a user's account is activated, require that they click on a link sent to their email account. | 15:48 |
SynQ | that's it | 15:48 |
SynQ | :) | 15:48 |
AMH_mari | :-) | 15:48 |
SynQ | lets see if that works | 15:48 |
CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r4893 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.4.12 dev | 15:48 |
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SynQ | hi bart | 15:53 |
BartJol | hopi | 15:53 |
BartJol | wel the validation seems to work | 15:57 |
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SynQ | sweet | 15:57 |
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SynQ | hi frank | 15:59 |
SynQ | I now got a great cold | 15:59 |
SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:59 |
SynQ | hi scott | 16:00 |
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SynQ | huh | 16:02 |
SynQ | BartJo1 | 16:02 |
@khenn | hey | 16:02 |
BartJol | two times laladiedada | 16:02 |
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SynQ | hehe | 16:02 |
SynQ | we should do an irc training hour | 16:02 |
BartJol | sorry, just checking | 16:03 |
CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r4894 /WebGUI/docs/ (5 files in 2 dirs): merging 7.4.11 changes | 16:03 |
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AMH_mari | @SynQ: and? Does it work? | 16:30 |
xootom | hi all, what's the plan for upgrading to 7.5, is/will it be maintained in parallel to 7.4.11? | 16:40 |
xootom | or will it come as an upgrade after the final 7.4 | 16:40 |
SynQ | it does | 16:43 |
SynQ | thanks | 16:43 |
SynQ | Bart, that photo gallery you have on webgui.bartjol.nl | 16:51 |
SynQ | where did you get the example? | 16:52 |
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SynQ | Bart, that photo gallery you have on webgui.bartjol.nl | 16:59 |
SynQ | where did you get the example? | 16:59 |
AMH_mari | wlc | 16:59 |
BartJo1 | it's a package from jesse on the webgui.org site | 17:00 |
BartJo1 | it's called lightbox | 17:00 |
SynQ | ah ok | 17:00 |
SynQ | I did look at that, but didn't get it to work yet | 17:00 |
BartJo1 | it's in my import node | 17:02 |
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BartJo1 | don't forget to put it in the right namespace | 17:02 |
BartJo1 | then you have to select it in your image wobject template | 17:04 |
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SynQ | hey mister dodo | 17:56 |
SynQ | how do you | 17:56 |
dapperedodo | I'm great. Busy WebGUI hacking:) | 17:56 |
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@khenn | having brain problems this morning | 18:19 |
@khenn | does qw count new line characters as whitespace characters? | 18:19 |
@khenn | I'm pretty sure it does | 18:19 |
SynQ | uh | 18:20 |
@khenn | I can't remember | 18:20 |
@khenn | don't feel like testing it | 18:20 |
@khenn | =) | 18:20 |
SynQ | ask google | 18:20 |
SynQ | You can use any non-alphanumeric, non-whitespace delimeter to surround the qw() string argument. | 18:21 |
SynQ | so I'd say no | 18:22 |
SynQ | unless you use all new line characters | 18:22 |
@khenn | answer is yes | 18:22 |
SynQ | but you shouldn't mix spaces and new line characters | 18:22 |
@khenn | =) | 18:22 |
SynQ | that would at least get you ugly code | 18:22 |
SynQ | qw( some thing with spaces in between); | 18:23 |
@khenn | it doesn't care | 18:23 |
@khenn | qw ( | 18:23 |
@khenn | my mother told me | 18:23 |
@khenn | to pick the very best one | 18:23 |
@khenn | and you are not it | 18:23 |
@khenn | ); | 18:23 |
@khenn | works fine | 18:24 |
SynQ | hmm | 18:24 |
SynQ | but it is ugly | 18:24 |
SynQ | it should be.. | 18:24 |
@khenn | well yeah | 18:24 |
@khenn | I was just wondering if it worked | 18:24 |
SynQ | qw ( my mother told me to pick the very best one and you are not it ); | 18:24 |
SynQ | ok | 18:25 |
SynQ | my working day is over | 18:25 |
SynQ | I'm going home | 18:25 |
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@rizen | name three things you love: sarah, perl, and webgui | 18:48 |
@rizen | name three things you hate: joomla, plone, and postnuke | 18:49 |
* SDuensin hasn't met Sarah yet. :-) | 18:49 | |
SDuensin | Eww. Nuke. | 18:49 |
* SDuensin never figured out Plone. | 18:49 | |
* SDuensin is ridding himself of Joomla. | 18:49 | |
@rizen | i found plone to be much easier than joomla and postnuke | 18:49 |
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@rizen | actually, joomla took me and another geek i know over an hour to publish just one page | 18:50 |
SDuensin | Yea. It's odd. | 18:50 |
SDuensin | I really don't like how the admin tools are in their own little corner of the world away from the content. | 18:50 |
@rizen | i understand that people like joomla because it's super easy to install | 18:55 |
@rizen | i don't understand why they like the UI | 18:56 |
@rizen | i've played with it for hours trying to figure out what's so good about the UI | 18:56 |
@rizen | i just don't see it | 18:56 |
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xdanger | is there still a "Report user registrations to a group" function or something like that... I remember that there might have been one... | 19:04 |
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cap10morgan_ | does WebGUI Done Right still live on the web anywhere? | 21:44 |
cap10morgan_ | I'm not sure if my subscription is current... | 21:44 |
cap10morgan_ | specifically i'm hoping to find some documentation on setting up database caching | 21:52 |
cap10morgan_ | which i don't seem to find on webgui.org | 21:52 |
@rizen | admin guide | 21:52 |
cap10morgan_ | so that's not in webgui done right (assuming it still exists)? | 21:53 |
@rizen | don't think it was ever there | 21:53 |
@rizen | and wdr doesn't exist | 21:54 |
SDuensin | Hey rizen - remember some time ago I was trying to explain how WebGUI was rendering the admin page without a style? I figured out why! Bug report coming soon! | 21:55 |
cap10morgan_ | ok, thanks | 21:56 |
cap10morgan_ | any plans to release electronic versions of your publications? | 21:57 |
@rizen | not that i'm wijlling to talk about at this time | 22:01 |
cap10morgan_ | fair enough :) | 22:01 |
SDuensin | Oooo! Nice non-commital, yet affirmative, answer! | 22:02 |
* cap10morgan_ would love it if WebGUI books were in Safari | 22:03 | |
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@rizen | not going to be in safari | 22:42 |
@rizen | however, if someone writes a utility script that will parse the contents of an open office document and turn the chapters into webgui articles | 22:42 |
@rizen | then getting the content in an online format might actually come about | 22:43 |
@rizen | until then, it will have to wait for me | 22:43 |
@rizen | which basically means not likely | 22:43 |
+crythias | do the chapters have regular tags? | 22:58 |
@rizen | i don't know what that means | 22:58 |
@rizen | all chapters start after a page break and have a consistent style associated with the header called "Heading 1" | 22:59 |
+crythias | I mean, if the chapters have significantly different tagging than simply bold | 22:59 |
+crythias | yeah. | 22:59 |
+crythias | that sounds like something I could do. | 22:59 |
@rizen | i'll commit this to you. | 22:59 |
+crythias | I'm in ur odf, parsing ur xml | 22:59 |
@rizen | whomever comes up with a mechanism to make it easy for us to publish that content as webgui assets | 23:00 |
@rizen | has free access to that content for life | 23:00 |
+crythias | I think I'd need import structure API | 23:00 |
SDuensin | Don't tease me. :-P | 23:00 |
+crythias | but open office should be nice, b/c it's zipped up content | 23:01 |
@rizen | to be useful it also has to do images, because all of our books have images that are critical to the content | 23:01 |
+crythias | so printing to PDF is out of the question, huh? :) | 23:02 |
SDuensin | hehe | 23:02 |
@rizen | yes | 23:02 |
@rizen | too easily pirated | 23:02 |
+crythias | but a WebGUI package? | 23:02 |
@rizen | when we used to do "Ruling WebGUI" as PDF we kept finding it pop up in people's sites as a free download that the whole internet had access to | 23:03 |
+crythias | hee :) hardware keys :) | 23:03 |
SDuensin | You can protect PDFs, but man, those are annoying. | 23:03 |
@rizen | it will take someone a lot more work to take all the content off the site, especially if it's broken into chapters | 23:04 |
@rizen | even if we password protected PDFs, you can hack it | 23:04 |
SDuensin | Best "protected" PDF I've seen is the book for Drupal I bought (yea, yea - sue me). It has my name and email address on every page. | 23:04 |
@rizen | or worse yet, you can just publish your password or key to your web site | 23:04 |
@rizen | that's a pretty good idea, so at least we know who did the damage, but at that point the damage is already done | 23:05 |
+crythias | I was feeling generous, so I shared karma. | 23:06 |
SDuensin | Yea, but then you can go all statutory on their ass. Like that Jammie chick who's paying $260k for 22 $0.99 songs. | 23:06 |
+crythias | you should make it printed in blue and red so people have to use 3d glasses to read it. | 23:07 |
+crythias | come to think about it, I wonder if that isn't too far off from the future. | 23:08 |
+crythias | lens-encrypted text | 23:08 |
@rizen | suing someone isn't worth it | 23:08 |
@preaction | nono, we'll have 3d EYES | 23:08 |
@rizen | it will cost us more to file than it is worth | 23:08 |
SDuensin | We did one of my buddy's resumes like that back when personal color printing was a fantasy. His credentials literally leapt right off the page! He got the job, too. (It was for a game company - they thought it was cool.) | 23:08 |
@rizen | not to mention that's just not my style | 23:09 |
+crythias | must use polarized glasses to read the text. fun :) | 23:09 |
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xdanger | why am I finding so many error in wre-0.8's build.sh? wrong paths, and wrong args for confgures, or wrong build scripts for perl modules? | 23:35 |
xdanger | do I have some wrong version, or something... | 23:35 |
xdanger | Downloaded the one from sf.net... | 23:36 |
* SDuensin hasn't been brave enough to try 0.8 yet. | 23:36 | |
* SDuensin also doesn't appear to be smart enough to use the Advertising features of WebGUI. | 23:37 | |
xdanger | I'm trying it on a different server... I'm trying to clean my old install, that has been around from the first 6.0 beta, or gamma... | 23:37 |
xdanger | was it 5.99 or something then, but anyways.. | 23:37 |
@rizen | don't know | 23:38 |
@rizen | it builds cleanly on all 8 operating systems that we support | 23:38 |
@rizen | and i'm told a number of oses we don't support | 23:39 |
xdanger | It's a debian etch | 23:39 |
SDuensin | DOH! Ads work if I learn to read my screen. | 23:39 |
xdanger | but for exampla the build.sh uses installPerlModule for Temlate-Plugin-Clicable-Email, when the script has Build.pl | 23:40 |
xdanger | so it should use buildPerlModule function.. | 23:40 |
@rizen | then report a bug | 23:41 |
@rizen | it throws no errors on our builds | 23:41 |
@rizen | so it may be wrong, but it's also throwing no errors | 23:41 |
@rizen | so we wouldn't know that it wasn't working | 23:41 |
@rizen | i'm not even sure what that module is for | 23:42 |
xdanger | I'll do that, when I get it to build and I'll take a diff of the changes... | 23:42 |
xdanger | I'm building the --wdk | 23:42 |
xdanger | that does include some modules more... | 23:43 |
xdanger | rizen: can I ask why you aren't supporting debian? | 23:43 |
@rizen | don't build the wdk | 23:45 |
@rizen | it's not ready for prime time yet | 23:45 |
@rizen | only the WRE portion is ready | 23:45 |
@rizen | as for debian, we put up a poll a while back to see who wanted what OS's to be supported | 23:45 |
@rizen | debian was on the list be received hardly any votes | 23:46 |
@rizen | ubuntu was first | 23:46 |
@rizen | freebsd was second | 23:46 |
@rizen | rhel5 was third | 23:46 |
@rizen | and suse was fourth | 23:46 |
@rizen | i think debian tied with NetBSD | 23:47 |
@rizen | oh, and fedora was before debian also | 23:47 |
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xdanger | I'm building with the wdk because I want the documentation and the man pages of the stuff | 00:01 |
@rizen | well i'm telling you that the wdk won't build | 00:09 |
@rizen | it hasn't been tested | 00:09 |
@rizen | you're going to have to dink around with it | 00:09 |
@rizen | and it still might not work | 00:09 |
xdanger | ok =) | 00:11 |
xdanger | I'll just comment the deletes out then... | 00:11 |
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CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r4895 /tools/makerelease.pl: | 01:03 |
CIA-39 | WebGUI: fixed version tag problem | 01:03 |
CIA-39 | WebGUI: enabled coverage tests | 01:03 |
@apeiron | khenn, You went poof on AIM. | 01:04 |
@rizen | is CIA a bot? | 01:04 |
@apeiron | 't is. | 01:04 |
@rizen | and it's purpose is to just spew out what is committed? | 01:06 |
@apeiron | It may do other stuff, but that's the most visible thing. | 01:07 |
@apeiron | I didn't summon it, but you can read about them at cia.vc | 01:08 |
@apeiron | http://blog.freenode.net/?p=50 for important information about getting rid of them (i.e., banning won't work, they're persistent) | 01:09 |
@rizen | someone is trigger happy | 01:10 |
@rizen | one user with 100 commits in a single day | 01:10 |
@rizen | that's too many commits | 01:10 |
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@preaction | or you could just ask me to get rid of it | 01:21 |
@preaction | since i'm the one who put it here | 01:21 |
@preaction | i just notice that people are rarely on-the-ball on what's being committed, despite the RSS feed and otherwise. this is just one less excuse to not know what's going on | 01:22 |
@rizen | i don't want you to get rid of it | 01:22 |
@rizen | i just went to cia.vc and saw that someone did 100 commits | 01:23 |
@rizen | to some project | 01:23 |
@rizen | in a single day | 01:23 |
@preaction | nice | 01:23 |
xdanger | how can I reley information about the new user registration to NotifyAboutUser activity? | 01:35 |
xdanger | If I put macros like ^User; will the use the admin user, or the new user that has registered? | 01:35 |
@rizen | the user that is attached to the workflow | 01:36 |
@rizen | and int he case of new user registration | 01:37 |
@rizen | that's the user that registered | 01:37 |
xdanger | coolio | 01:38 |
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xootom | hi all, has anything changed with the user session table in 7.4.11, it doesn't seem to clear up expired sessions any more | 01:54 |
@rizen | not that i'm aware of | 01:59 |
@rizen | but i didn't contribute to the last round of bug fixes | 01:59 |
@rizen | Haarg would be the one to ask if he was around, but he went home for the day | 01:59 |
xootom | ok thanks | 02:00 |
@rizen | report a bug if you can't figure it out | 02:01 |
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CIA-39 | WebGUI: doug * r4896 /branch/photogallery/WebGUI/ (85 files in 31 dirs): merged with SVN to get friends stuff | 04:03 |
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CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r4897 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/User.pm t/User.t): | 06:03 |
CIA-39 | WebGUI: Add more coverage tests for methods added to User.pm | 06:03 |
CIA-39 | WebGUI: for Friends. | 06:03 |
CIA-39 | WebGUI: Fix a bug in the isOnline method, which was looking sessions | 06:03 |
CIA-39 | WebGUI: exactly 600 seconds old. | 06:03 |
CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r4898 /WebGUI/t/i18n/help.t: fix a stupid typo that I put into i18n/help.t | 06:18 |
+Radix-wrk | hehe | 06:35 |
* Radix-wrk likes the new CIA bot and the funny comments ppl write on checkin ;) | 06:35 | |
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SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:58 |
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@rizen | Why would you say such a thing? | 16:29 |
@rizen | it makes the channel seem all warm and inviting | 16:31 |
@rizen | the next thing you know people might actually start to hang out here | 16:31 |
@rizen | and be friendly and comfortable | 16:31 |
* SDuensin tells rizen to piss off. | 16:32 | |
SDuensin | Better? | 16:32 |
@rizen | much better =) | 16:32 |
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SDuensin | :-) | 16:32 |
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SDuensin | Dude, I *CRANKED* out a site last night with WebGUI. In two hours I redid what took months in Drupal. | 16:33 |
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xootom | I'm just making a 'users online' panel using an sql report, bringing out users from userSession. I'm joining it to users and userProfileData and want to show the photo/avatar next to the username, with a send message to user link too. All is fine but the photo is stored as a guid, how do I translate that to the actual file? how does it find the filename from that guid, it doesn't appear to be elsewhere in the database. | 18:56 |
@rizen | you'll have to write a macro that will turn the guid into an image tag | 18:57 |
@rizen | using the guid you instanciate a WebGUI::Storage::Image object | 18:58 |
@rizen | then you can use the getFiles method and just use the first file in the list | 18:58 |
@rizen | then call the getUrl method to get the url to put in the image tag | 18:58 |
xootom | is it getting that from the filesystem, i.e. in the asset's upload dir | 18:58 |
@rizen | yes | 18:58 |
xootom | ok, many thanks | 18:59 |
@rizen | np | 18:59 |
SDuensin | xootom - that sounds cool. :-) | 19:16 |
+Radix_ | i agree | 19:16 |
xootom | :) | 19:17 |
xootom | Are avatars a set size, I might have to put img width and height to make them look neat :S | 19:18 |
* SDuensin hopes xootom shares with the class. | 19:19 | |
xootom | yeah i'll upload the report and macro later :) | 19:19 |
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knowmad | Hi, I'm getting an error in my logs that I've never seen. Has anyone come across this message -- " Pass in object came back undefined for activity (pbwfactivity0000000006) using WebGUI::VersionTag, new, cYzduzhFBCu_vCUPF_UXCw." | 19:46 |
knowmad | There are 5 Commit Without Approval workflows that are in error state b/c of that | 19:47 |
CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r4899 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm): event end time not tz adjusted properly | 19:48 |
CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r4900 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): rfe: Search Asset returns URLs | 19:48 |
+Radix_ | Woot! | 19:57 |
ckotil | neat. how new is the svn bot? | 20:00 |
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knowmad | that's the first i've seen it | 20:07 |
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@rizen | hmmm...lingerd sounds interesting for the wre: http://www.iagora.com/about/software/lingerd/ | 22:45 |
@preaction | it does indeed | 22:48 |
@preaction | AMH is hiring a full-time Perl dev to work on swifty | 22:48 |
@apeiron | Handing over an open connection from one process to | 22:48 |
@apeiron | another is done using a rather esoteric feature called "file | 22:48 |
@apeiron | descriptor passing on Unix-domain sockets", and, as the name | 22:48 |
@apeiron | implies, is not very portable outside of Unix systems. | 22:48 |
@apeiron | (from the README.txt) | 22:49 |
@apeiron | Hmm, the readme also mentions that you can use mod_proxy to accomplish the same goal. | 22:50 |
@rizen | yes you can use modproxy to do it, and we do | 22:51 |
@rizen | i'm just wondering if lingerd might be faster | 22:51 |
@rizen | AMH already has a couple of full time devs doing swifty | 22:51 |
@rizen | 3 i believe | 22:51 |
SDuensin | Interesting. | 22:52 |
knowmad | but don't you want to keep modproxy for static file handling? | 22:52 |
@rizen | we still could...im just saying that i like to exlpore | 22:53 |
SDuensin | Go crazy and write your own HTTP daemon. :-) | 22:53 |
@rizen | it might even be interesting to put up pound, squid, or some other reverse proxy in front of the wre, and then keep a separate non-modproxy instance for serving static content | 22:54 |
@rizen | that's on the table too sd | 22:54 |
@rizen | and is not as crazy as you might think | 22:54 |
SDuensin | No, I did it once. :-) | 22:54 |
@rizen | i blogged about it a month or so ago | 22:54 |
SDuensin | Funny thing was, I used WebGUI as my test "CGI" when I was debugging it. :-D | 22:54 |
@apeiron | perlbot, ws | 22:55 |
perlbot | Rick's tiny 34 line web server: http://home.pacbell.net/rklement/ws description is here: http://home.pacbell.net/rklement/wsdesc.html | 22:55 |
@rizen | mostly reading that thing about slashdot made me feel good that i had made a lot of very good decisions in designing the wre | 22:57 |
* SDuensin thinks rick is insane. | 22:57 | |
@preaction | rick doesn't use IO::All, so he's not insane enough | 22:58 |
@preaction | there's a one-line HTTP daemon using IO::All | 22:59 |
SDuensin | hehe | 22:59 |
@preaction | not sure if it handles CGI execution though, i think rick's does | 23:00 |
SDuensin | Rick's does. | 23:01 |
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CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r4902 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.4.11-7.5.0.pl: fix a typo in the upgrade script, s/Search/search/; | 01:48 |
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SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:16 |
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ckotil | is cross site sign on implemented yet? | 17:42 |
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@rizen | ckotil: yes has been since 7.4.0 | 19:13 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: graham * r4903 /branch/WebGUI_7.4: | 19:18 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: Initialized merge tracking via "svnmerge" with revisions "1-4843" from | 19:18 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI | 19:18 |
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CIA-18 | WebGUI: graham * r4904 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt www/extras/hoverhelp.css): fix grey areas on the bottom of pages | 20:03 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: graham * r4905 /branch/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 20:18 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: Merged revisions 4904 via svnmerge from | 20:18 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI | 20:18 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: ........ | 20:18 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: r4904 | graham | 2007-10-29 12:48:58 -0500 (Mon, 29 Oct 2007) | 2 lines | 20:18 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: fix grey areas on the bottom of pages | 20:18 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: ........ | 20:18 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: graham * r4906 /branch/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 20:48 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: Merged revisions 4899 via svnmerge from | 20:48 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI | 20:48 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: ........ | 20:48 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: r4899 | graham | 2007-10-26 11:27:54 -0500 (Fri, 26 Oct 2007) | 2 lines | 20:48 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: event end time not tz adjusted properly | 20:48 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: ........ | 20:48 |
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CIA-18 | WebGUI: graham * r4907 /branch/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) | 21:33 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: Merged revisions 4856-4857 via svnmerge from | 21:33 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI | 21:33 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: ........ | 21:33 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: r4856 | graham | 2007-10-16 09:30:04 -0500 (Tue, 16 Oct 2007) | 2 lines | 21:33 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: doc fixes | 21:33 |
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wgGuest67 | I am trying to set up a Navigation element that excludes the "Home" link Right now i have it set up for "Specific URL" with the start point "/home" including descendants. But the home link still shows and i can't figure out why. Any Ideas or suggestions? | 21:44 |
+MrHairgrease | why don't you set the homepage to hide from navigation? | 22:17 |
wgGuest67 | Hide from navigation is set to yes | 22:19 |
+MrHairgrease | that's just weird | 22:19 |
+MrHairgrease | it shoudl not show then | 22:19 |
wgGuest67 | ya :-/ | 22:19 |
+MrHairgrease | check your nav | 22:19 |
wgGuest67 | and its not hard coded in the template | 22:20 |
+MrHairgrease | in the display tab | 22:20 |
+MrHairgrease | is the option Include hidden pages set to yes? | 22:20 |
wgGuest67 | let me check | 22:20 |
wgGuest67 | "Show hidden pages" is set to no | 22:21 |
+MrHairgrease | that's ok | 22:21 |
+MrHairgrease | does it also show the home page in your nav when the admin mode is on? | 22:21 |
+MrHairgrease | also is the home page either in your current version tag or in no tag at all? | 22:22 |
+MrHairgrease | or is it locked? | 22:23 |
wgGuest67 | the homepage isn't locked | 22:23 |
wgGuest67 | seems to always show home no matter if i am logged in, admin is on or off | 22:23 |
+MrHairgrease | hmm | 22:23 |
wgGuest67 | i am confused by it also | 22:24 |
+MrHairgrease | are you sure the url in the specific root is exactly the url of the page? | 22:24 |
wgGuest67 | the "Start Point" is "/home" | 22:25 |
wgGuest67 | which i thought would bring it in the home directory and not include it | 22:25 |
wgGuest67 | i tell it to only grab "Descendants" | 22:26 |
+MrHairgrease | and if you go to http://yoursite.com/home?func=edit the hide from nav option is still set to yes? | 22:26 |
wgGuest67 | correct | 22:26 |
wgGuest67 | swear it is.. lol | 22:26 |
wgGuest67 | its werid | 22:26 |
+MrHairgrease | i dunno then | 22:26 |
+MrHairgrease | let me check it out | 22:26 |
+MrHairgrease | btw what version are you running | 22:27 |
wgGuest67 | 7.3.22 | 22:27 |
+MrHairgrease | you did not chcek the 'self' checkbox in the relatives form in the nav right? | 22:29 |
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wgGuest45 | i am going to try and recreate at the demo site | 22:34 |
+MrHairgrease | wgGuest45 are you knowmad? | 22:35 |
wgGuest45 | i work for em | 22:37 |
+MrHairgrease | ah i see | 22:37 |
+MrHairgrease | you are the same person asking about the nav issue right? | 22:38 |
+MrHairgrease | that is, wgGuest67 | 22:38 |
wgGuest45 | correct, they restarted the router and kicked me | 22:38 |
+MrHairgrease | ah | 22:38 |
+MrHairgrease | if you can reproduce on demo.plainblack.com please let me know and paste the url to the nav | 22:39 |
wgGuest45 | will do. setting me up a demo now to see if i can | 22:39 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 22:40 |
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wgGuest76 | Hey mrhairgrease http://demo.webgui.org/demo1193690406_735/home | 23:15 |
wgGuest76 | admin // admin | 23:15 |
wgGuest76 | Only the homepage is set up ATM | 23:16 |
+MrHairgrease | no problem | 23:17 |
wgGuest76 | Believe i am about to take off home, I have a forum post if you would like to post your findings there | 23:18 |
wgGuest76 | http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/global-nav-without-home-link#h_aJVU0KYFbn284681UgVw | 23:18 |
+MrHairgrease | it's a problem in the unordered list template | 23:21 |
+MrHairgrease | if you select vertical menu it works as is expected | 23:21 |
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knowma1 | Thanks MrHairgrease. Josh has left but I'll be sure to tell him. | 23:32 |
knowma1 | I think he and Diona were working on a custom nav template | 23:32 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 23:32 |
+MrHairgrease | np | 23:32 |
knowma1 | i hadn't yet considered using another nav template for testing. good idea 8-) | 23:33 |
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dj_perl | Hello preaction, I'm just about ready with the iPhoto plugin to server communication. Is there existing gallery code that I can start dispatching methods to? | 23:35 |
@preaction | dj_perl, https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/photogallery/WebGUI <- my branch | 23:36 |
@preaction | the methods you'd be interested in probably are: Wobject::Gallery->addChild, Wobject::GalleryAlbum->addChild, File::Image::Photo->setFile | 23:37 |
+MrHairgrease | preaction is that the new photo gallery asset jt was talking about in his keynote? | 23:38 |
dj_perl | Any calls to get existing albums? | 23:39 |
@preaction | standard getLineage calls | 23:39 |
@preaction | addChild is part of AssetLineage as well | 23:39 |
@preaction | setFile is a part of WebGUI::Asset::File (added for the photo gallery) | 23:40 |
dj_perl | Thanks. Any tips on setting up a dev environment from this build? Does it have the same install procedure as the release? | 23:40 |
@preaction | basically it should be WebGUI, except for the minor addition of docs/upgrades/installPhotoGallery.pl | 23:41 |
@preaction | you realize there isn't enough to test anything, right? | 23:41 |
dj_perl | Hmm. Yes. I'm wondering whether to write stubs to accept uploads tentatively. | 23:43 |
dj_perl | The alternative is to suspend development here, and wait till the underlying calls are implemented. | 23:44 |
@preaction | or you could verify that the photo is added via the database, since i'm fairly sure that works | 23:44 |
dj_perl | The client does some querying on albums as part of the Gallery2 protocol. | 23:45 |
dj_perl | It'll be tricky to simulate. I should switch to the Windows/Picasa client till this is implemented. | 23:46 |
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+Radix_ | http://www.xkcd.com/256/ | 11:42 |
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SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:08 |
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CIA-18 | WebGUI: doug * r4914 /branch/photogallery/WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): makeShortcut done, EXIF done | 23:18 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: jt * r4915 /wrebuild/wre/ (3 files in 3 dirs): mysql uses 2 instead of 4 characters for the search index | 23:33 |
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xootom | hi all, is anyone else having problems with the data form? mine won't send emails | 01:05 |
xootom | testing on webgui.org demo site and no emails at all, are demo sites blocked on smtp? | 01:05 |
@preaction | demo sites don't get e-mail, no | 01:06 |
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roryzweistra | Hi bartjol, images are assets right? So does that mean that when I develop a template in the image namespace which i.e. centers the pic on the page, visitors that click on the thumbnail of that pic will see the pic open up centered? | 12:38 |
dapperedodo | If you use the url of the image asset you will get the image itself (ie: /media/pic.gif), not the template around it. The template of the asset is used to display the asset on a container asset like a page. | 12:45 |
roryzweistra | ok tnx! | 12:48 |
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bartjol | indeed | 13:25 |
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CIA-18 | WebGUI: graham * r4917 /WebGUI/www/extras/ (hoverhelp.js hoverhelp.css): Proper hoverhelp grey area fix | 18:33 |
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wgGuest63 | Anyone here added Thumbnails to the RSS Templates for the Collaboration Systems? | 21:01 |
khenn_ | even if they aren't there you should be able to get it via a macro and the storage location | 21:02 |
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@rizen | you can do it | 21:02 |
@rizen | several sites do this in order to make podcasts from collaboration systems | 21:02 |
@rizen | you don't need any custom macros ether | 21:03 |
wgGuest63 | I must have my template wrong because i am trying to add it | 21:03 |
@rizen | it's in the default template variables | 21:03 |
wgGuest63 | I looked at the help but must doing it wrong | 21:03 |
wgGuest63 | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d9b25af8 | 21:03 |
wgGuest63 | thats the code i added | 21:03 |
wgGuest63 | well for the attachemnts | 21:03 |
wgGuest63 | I added the loop to the template | 21:04 |
wgGuest63 | I really just need 1 to show | 21:04 |
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CIA-18 | WebGUI: graham * r4918 /branch/ (3 files in 2 dirs): | 21:48 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: Merged revisions 4917 via svnmerge from | 21:48 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI | 21:48 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: ........ | 21:48 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: r4917 | graham | 2007-10-31 11:26:02 -0500 (Wed, 31 Oct 2007) | 2 lines | 21:48 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: Proper hoverhelp grey area fix | 21:48 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: ........ | 21:48 |
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perlDreamer | Any recommendations for a good javascript book to learn from? | 22:02 |
+MrHairgrease | pd: if you find one let me know | 22:03 |
perlDreamer | will do, MrHairGrease | 22:03 |
perlDreamer | I trust your flight home went well? | 22:03 |
+MrHairgrease | apart from the missing arm I'm fine =) | 22:04 |
+MrHairgrease | the movie was worse than the flight to the us though | 22:04 |
+MrHairgrease | fantastic 4 | 22:04 |
@rizen | i like these two: http://www.amazon.com/JavaScript-Definitive-Guide-David-Flanagan/dp/0596101996/ref=pd_sim_b_shvl_img_1/002-1310577-8494467 | 22:05 |
+MrHairgrease | never watch it unless you need to throw up for some reason | 22:05 |
perlDreamer | I don't know, Jessica Alba..... | 22:05 |
@rizen | http://www.amazon.com/Dynamic-HTML-Definitive-Reference-Html/dp/0596527403/ref=pd_sim_b_shvl_img_4/002-1310577-8494467 | 22:05 |
+MrHairgrease | the only plus in the movie | 22:05 |
@rizen | they aren't tutorial books, but they work well for me | 22:05 |
perlDreamer | I have the first one, but I'm looking for something a little more pedantic to start with | 22:06 |
+MrHairgrease | Im' mostly interseted in a good source that explains how to write nice js objects | 22:06 |
perlDreamer | Isn't that an oxymoron? -> nice js objects :) | 22:06 |
+MrHairgrease | well | 22:07 |
+MrHairgrease | phone | 22:07 |
+MrHairgrease | ok back | 22:10 |
+MrHairgrease | what i'm lookin for is how to do js objects the the yui does it for instance | 22:10 |
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+MrHairgrease | but no book i've seen so far covers that. | 22:11 |
+MrHairgrease | usually when i do js it's just some simple stuff | 22:11 |
+MrHairgrease | but with these whizzbang buzzword 2.0 stuff | 22:12 |
+MrHairgrease | things are bound to get more complex | 22:12 |
perlDreamer | yeah, I can't even do the simple stuff yet. | 22:12 |
+MrHairgrease | and thus some structure and (gasp) reusability wishful | 22:12 |
+MrHairgrease | pd | 22:12 |
+MrHairgrease | check out the yui examples | 22:13 |
+MrHairgrease | they are quite simple | 22:13 |
+MrHairgrease | some at least | 22:13 |
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+MrHairgrease | perldreamer | 22:14 |
+MrHairgrease | check out the yahoo dev videos | 22:14 |
+MrHairgrease | http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/theater/ | 22:14 |
+MrHairgrease | especially Douglas Crockford -- "The JavaScript Programming Language" | 22:14 |
+MrHairgrease | and | 22:14 |
@khenn | unfortunately the best way to learn JavaScript is to write it | 22:15 |
@khenn | IMO | 22:15 |
+MrHairgrease | Douglas Crockford -- "Advanced JavaScript" | 22:15 |
@khenn | I haven't found a good book | 22:15 |
+MrHairgrease | never saw those videos | 22:15 |
+MrHairgrease | but they might be good | 22:15 |
perlDreamer | will do, MrHairGrease | 22:15 |
perlDreamer | gotta go, might be back later today. | 22:16 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 22:16 |
+MrHairgrease | later | 22:16 |
perlDreamer | stupid corporate rules... | 22:16 |
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CIA-18 | WebGUI: Fixed broken friends method caching. The cache was never populated, so it | 23:18 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: would fail every time. | 23:18 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: Added a missing DESTROY method to Group.pm. That way it won't puke when trying | 23:18 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: to call an undefined method when the User object is cleaned up. | 23:18 |
CIA-18 | WebGUI: Added coverage tests for friends method in User.pm | 23:18 |
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