--- Log opened Tue May 01 00:00:55 2007 00:04 -!- rbroen [n=rbroen@cp47104-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:26 < greghacke> rizen: query, what are the cinsiderations on setting the ft_stopword_file to NULL and remove the existant and efault stopword list? 00:26 <@rizen> no idea 00:27 <@rizen> never done it 00:27 < greghacke> Part of the long discussions a while back on fulltext searching and the MySQL stopword list. in 5.x and above, you can configure the st_stopword_file to null and it will search for the, who, etc. 00:27 < greghacke> my concern of course is system overhead. 00:28 <@rizen> yeah, i know it can be done 00:28 <@rizen> i just don't know the implications of doing it 00:28 <@rizen> i don't know if it affects performance 00:28 <@rizen> database size 00:28 <@rizen> etc 00:29 < greghacke> working to optimize some queries and finding that i use two fulltext queries and although i'd like no stopwords, i question the affects. 00:29 < greghacke> eh, prolly just start testing it locally 00:30 < greghacke> something to work on after thursday's test i guess 00:31 <@rizen> do let me know what you find out 00:31 < greghacke> of course. am working today to post my wikis on EMS. i think next will be optimizing sql reports in wG 00:49 <+perlDreamer> according to the MySQL dev docs, the stop words list is optimized for performace 00:49 <+perlDreamer> so if you clear it, you should see a slow down 00:50 < greghacke> it's optimized for performance for US/English. 00:50 <+perlDreamer> exclusively 00:51 < greghacke> yep. and some of the words don't neccessarily work for some of my host sites. Sure, 'the' is a bad search word. but when you have 40 products called "who's Who" with who as a blocked word... 00:58 <@rizen> pd, do you know how to make control characters while in vim? 00:58 <@rizen> like if i wanted to create the control character for escape it should be ^[ 00:58 <@rizen> but just typing it doesn't actually make it a control character 00:59 <@rizen> or another one would be ^M which should be a carriage return 00:59 <+perlDreamer> Ctrl-V then just type your character 00:59 <@rizen> ok 00:59 <@rizen> thank you 00:59 <+perlDreamer> I'm just a walking vim and perl lexicon ;) 00:59 < greghacke> vim rocks but i get so lost it in sometimes ;) 01:00 <@rizen> you rule man 01:00 <+perlDreamer> rizen: I got asked a hosting question yesterday that I had no answer for. 01:00 <+perlDreamer> Why do people allow PHP scripts to be uploaded by anyone? 01:00 <+perlDreamer> It makes installation dead easy, but it's a huge security risk. 01:01 <+perlDreamer> Why don't people take the same risk with Perl? 01:01 <@rizen> well there are a few things 01:02 <@rizen> perl has access to more system level stuff 01:02 <@rizen> due to xs bindings 01:02 <@rizen> and in order to just "upload and run" perl would have to run in cgi mode 01:02 <@rizen> and most perl apps that are worth anything, are designed for modperl rather than just simple cgi 01:02 <@rizen> some hosting companies do allow you to just upload cgi scripts though 01:03 <@rizen> and then finally 01:03 <@rizen> any big perl app will likely require some external modules from cpan 01:03 <@rizen> because as a community we reuse code a lot 01:03 <@rizen> php scripts more often just copy and paste their modules directly into their own codebase 01:04 <@rizen> it may seem that this is more inflexible to a noob 01:04 <@rizen> but in reality, it provides for a more robust and secure environment 01:05 <+perlDreamer> That makes sense. 01:05 <+perlDreamer> It's hard to explain to people why they can't use wG on their $5/month hoster. 01:07 <@rizen> indeed 01:07 <@rizen> tell them that webgui is designed to go on a stand alone server 01:08 <+perlDreamer> Then how do I sell them on PB hosting? 01:08 <@rizen> and if they just want it for their personal web site, then use one of the hosting options out there 01:08 < greghacke> i just point them to the virtual hosting from pB. it's cost efficient. 01:11 <@rizen> pd, i think you might shit bricks when you see the thing i'm about to submit to the dev list 01:11 <@rizen> and it works because of the advice you just gave me 01:12 * perlDreamer prepares for code constipation 01:13 < pjesi> man I am tired of YUI hacking 01:14 <@rizen> why? 01:15 < pjesi> so many files to include 01:16 < pjesi> and javascript is just terrible 01:17 <@rizen> pd, i take it back, i think it's cool, but you probably already know about all this 01:17 <+perlDreamer> You're an awful tease, rizen. 01:18 < pjesi> specially when then head block of my template is rendered in the body of the page 01:23 <@rizen> pd...i might have a problem with webgui best practices 01:23 <@rizen> damian says that each line should be no longer than 78 lines 01:24 <@rizen> but 78 lines is less than half my screen 01:24 <@rizen> sorry, 78 cols 01:24 <+perlDreamer> can you break before/after an operator? 01:24 <@rizen> well you can...i'm just saying it's going to be annoying 01:24 <@rizen> because it will add a lot more scrolling 01:24 <+perlDreamer> I agree. PBP starts by saying that _you_ need to set a standard and then have everyone follow it 01:26 <@rizen> methinks we should set it bigger 01:26 <@rizen> maybe like 120 chars 01:26 <@rizen> every webgui developer is using a modern system that's at least 1024x768 01:27 < greghacke> hrm. 01:27 < greghacke> that is what i was about to ask. 01:28 <@rizen> it does't even have to be that big 01:28 <@rizen> we could do 100 01:28 < pjesi> vi in terminal is usually 80 cols so people often recommend 78-79 cols max 01:28 < greghacke> i get 119 01:28 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:28 <@rizen> on my screen i can do 160 at normal res 01:28 < greghacke> i understand the vi at 78/79 but it was always a pain. 01:29 <@rizen> greg, what res are you? 01:29 <@rizen> pjesi, but how often are you editing webgui code from a terminal, without X windows so that you're stuck at 80 cols? 01:30 <@rizen> damian cites two reasons for the size of 78 01:30 <@rizen> one is to support older terminals 01:30 < greghacke> oh, at full res, i can do 170 1440 x 900 on monitor one and mondo-huge 2560x1600 on two 01:30 <@rizen> and the other is so your code prints out nicer on a printer 01:30 <@rizen> neither of those things are things that webgui core devs do very often 01:30 <@rizen> if ever 01:30 < pjesi> rizen: I dont, just saying that a lot of people have a bunch of terminals and use it for everything 01:31 <@rizen> those people aren't core devs 01:31 <@rizen> and the core devs are the ones that have to follow these guidelines 01:31 < greghacke> I would feel 100 would do fine and set a simple standard. 01:31 < greghacke> 120 is good but wide. just not sure that only 20 extra characters is a big help. 01:32 <@rizen> greg, what can you get in your terminal at 1024x768? 01:32 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 01:32 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 01:32 <@rizen> i have a widescreen monitor so i can't do 1024 01:33 < greghacke> at 1024 x 768, i get 119 characters width. 01:33 < greghacke> i have widescreen but my linux VM is 1024x768 and its what i get there. 01:35 <@rizen> ok, then methinks we should go for 115 01:35 <@rizen> because 1024x768 is the lowest res any dev in webgui core will be using 01:35 <@rizen> and most of us use much bigger ones 01:36 < greghacke> oh, i do too - i'll just reset my res back to 2560 x 1600 for my VM and post it back to second monitor :-) 01:39 <@preaction> i personally find it easier to read code vertically than horizontally 01:39 * pjesi agrees 01:40 <@rizen> me too 01:41 < greghacke> depends on the code. i like to read until a functional break and then scroll down to the next like. 01:41 <@rizen> i've updated the wiki page 01:41 < greghacke> line 01:42 <+perlDreamer> rizen: when does the new widget come out? 01:42 <@rizen> what widget? 01:43 <+perlDreamer> That thing with vim character encoding 01:43 <@rizen> i got side tracked cuz of this width thing 01:43 < greghacke> personally, i like 110 ;) 01:44 <@rizen> well your wrong. how does it feel to be wrong? i've never been wrong and you look like someone who would know. 01:44 < greghacke> feels good! 01:58 <@rizen> ok, it's out 01:58 <@rizen> the thing that made me go "holy crap" was that i didn't know about the iab command before 01:58 <@rizen> that allows you to create inline replacements for vim 02:00 <+perlDreamer> I'm liking wgwarn, et. al. 02:02 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat054.mxim.com] has quit [""""] 02:03 < greghacke> now to convert the vimrc.txt into a set of rules for Crimson Editor 02:03 < greghacke> just the base elements. 02:04 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 02:20 -!- greghacke [n=greghack@cpe-24-210-44-41.columbus.res.rr.com] has left #webgui [] 02:57 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 03:03 < SDuensin> Greetings. 03:14 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] 03:42 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:55 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:55 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 04:06 -!- vayde [n=vayde@208-110-227-255.usfamily.net] has joined #webgui 04:06 -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ 04:28 -!- vayde [n=vayde@208-110-227-255.usfamily.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:35 -!- vayde [n=vayde@208-110-227-255.usfamily.net] has joined #webgui 04:35 -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ 04:57 -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has joined #webgui 04:57 < PedersenMJ> good evening :) 05:04 <@vayde> hey 05:04 <@rizen> howdy 05:04 <@rizen> hey ped, why haven't you contributed to this contest? I figured you of all people to win it 05:04 < PedersenMJ> Howzit going? 05:05 <@rizen> pretty good 05:06 <@rizen> except that vayde is an asshole 05:06 * rizen feigns hate 05:06 * vayde chuckles. 05:06 <@vayde> I am that 05:06 <@vayde> just ask my ex wife 05:07 * PedersenMJ makes a coupla signs, and puts one on rizen's desk, and one on vayde's. Rizen's reads "Pot". Vayde's? "Kettle" 05:07 < PedersenMJ> :) 05:07 <@vayde> lol 05:26 <+Radix-wrk> PedersenMJ is still hurting from the competition I gave him for the How To contest I reckon.. he's realised that second time around he ain't gonna be so lucky ;) 05:27 < PedersenMJ> I just wish I'd been able to focus this month. I didn't make *any* entries. Barely got anything accomplished at work. Got no code written at home. April was a wasted month for me. 05:27 <+Radix-wrk> Good excuse ;) 05:28 < PedersenMJ> Thanks. I spent the entire month working on it :) 05:29 <+Radix-wrk> hehe 05:41 <+Radix-wrk> "You have 6666 karma to spend." - Muahahaha... 05:44 <+Radix-wrk> yikes.. looks like a three-way tie for third place for the Acme code competition atm 05:44 <+Radix-wrk> with "XEyes" and "Come back already!" coming first and second place respectively 07:05 -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 07:18 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:47 -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has quit [] 08:30 -!- vayde [n=vayde@208-110-227-255.usfamily.net] has quit ["Exit- stage left"] 10:08 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 10:26 -!- koe [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 10:26 -!- koe [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:28 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:48 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 11:52 -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:08 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:53 -!- wgGuest40 [n=wgGuest4@62-101-118-144.fastres.net] has joined #webgui 13:53 < wgGuest40> Hello 13:53 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 13:54 < wgGuest40> We just ordered a new server and we wanted to try webgui on it 13:55 < wgGuest40> I read on the forum that a WRE 0.8 is planned.. Do you have any timeframe for it? 14:06 -!- xootom [n=tom@195.224.29.66] has joined #webgui 14:14 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:18 <+Radix_> not for a while yet I'm afraid 15:19 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 15:20 <+Radix_> WRE 0.7.2 should be fine to start with 15:28 < wgGuest40> but more or less when it'll be out? 15:29 < wgGuest40> we would like to plan server upgrades as much as possible 16:15 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@224.sub-75-205-81.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI 16:18 < SDuensin> Good morning (at last). 16:20 -!- bopbop_ [n=kristi@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 16:21 < SDuensin> Hello bopbop_ 16:21 < bopbop_> morning! 16:25 <+Radix_> wgGuest40: no idea when it'd be out - I don't think anyone knows at this point, tho Rizen may have a plan 16:26 <+Radix_> woohoo.. 3 way tie for third place! 16:26 < SDuensin> Hey Radix_ 16:26 * SDuensin didn't even make the list. :-/ 16:51 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has joined #webgui 16:51 -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ 17:17 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 17:28 -!- wgGuest40 [n=wgGuest4@62-101-118-144.fastres.net] has quit [] 17:31 -!- dionak [n=dionak@adsl-072-149-129-114.sip.clt.bellsouth.net] has joined #webgui 17:33 <@rizen> sd, that's cuz you're a bad person 17:34 < SDuensin> :-P 17:39 <@rizen> wre 0.8.0 is giving me a headache 17:40 < SDuensin> 0.7.2 gave me a headache. :-P 17:41 <@rizen> i thought that turned out to just be a configuration problem? 17:41 < SDuensin> Yea, it was. Complete user failure. :-) 17:42 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Leaving."] 17:42 <@rizen> could you remind me in what way? perhaps i can eliminate that problem in 0.8.0 so that no one else has to go through what you went thru 17:44 < SDuensin> Being able to specify which IPs Apache and wremonitor listen to / check would fix it. 17:45 < SDuensin> It was mainly just finding everything I needed to change. The WRE is new to me. (Well, not so much anymore!) 18:08 <@rizen> wremonitor already does that if you set the hostname to check 18:08 <@rizen> so i guess i just need to ask that question during setup 18:08 <@rizen> what hostname to check 18:08 < SDuensin> Right. :-) 18:09 < SDuensin> Asking where to bind Apache would be spiffy, too. 18:10 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 18:10 <@rizen> only for crazy bastards like you 18:11 <@rizen> who are crazy 18:11 <@rizen> and looney 18:11 < SDuensin> Yes, but it works! 18:12 < SDuensin> So have it ask "Are you looney? (y/N): " and then prompt for the other two if they hit "Y". 18:12 <@rizen> hehe 18:12 <@rizen> perfect 18:12 <@rizen> the new setup program will be entirely web based 18:12 <+crythias> :) 18:13 <@rizen> so i'll just have a tab for looney 18:13 <@rizen> =) 18:13 <+crythias> unbookmarkable tabs. 18:14 <+crythias> how hard is it to make tabs directly go-to able? 18:14 < SDuensin> Web based? How do you set up the web server then? 18:14 <+crythias> hee 18:15 <+crythias> shh :) That's logic! 18:15 <+crythias> actually, you could use a perl httpd temporarily. 18:16 <@rizen> yeah, there will be a perl httpd daemon running the setup program 18:16 <@rizen> when you run it, it will tell you what random port it's running on 18:16 <@rizen> and then you go to the url 18:17 <+crythias> how does it do the cgi-ish stuff? 18:17 <+crythias> nm. 18:17 <+crythias> just never mind. 18:17 <+crythias> assp does it, so there's no issue. 18:18 <@rizen> hehe 18:18 <@rizen> you're too funny 18:18 <@rizen> this is perl we're talking about 18:18 <@rizen> it's the god of cgi 18:19 <@vayde> all hail perl! 18:19 <+crythias> :-D How do ya get mod_perl into perl_httpd? 18:19 <+crythias> hee 18:22 <+crythias> btw, what opinion on my RFE for quick-add asset? 18:23 <@rizen> you should know by now that asking about an rfe before i've assigned it a karma rank will get it delayed 18:23 <+crythias> heh. then again, maybe I should ask about the high ranking RFEs :)? 18:24 <@rizen> i think that since we haven't even branched for 7.4 yet, you shouldn't be asking about rfe's unless you're volunteering to write them 18:24 <@rizen> =) 18:25 <+crythias> btw.. I upgraded from 7.0.6 to 7.3.15 the other day. 18:25 <@rizen> sweet 18:25 <+crythias> yes, actually, it was. 18:25 <@rizen> i assume it went smoothly 18:26 <+crythias> yes. 4 sites. 18:26 <+crythias> fortunately no moving about of assets. 18:26 <@rizen> that's the goal...to get back to smooth upgrades 18:27 <+crythias> btw, thanks for the vimrc 18:28 <@rizen> cry, do you code? 18:28 <@rizen> or do you just use vim for sysadmin stuff? 18:28 <@rizen> and you're welcome 18:28 * SDuensin likes smooth upgrades. 18:28 <+crythias> once in a blue moon. I'm [a|the] system administrator for a large church. I'm usually very busy. 18:29 <+crythias> vim for sysadmin stuff, mostly. 18:30 <+crythias> the thing is, vimrc as you've provided rocks. especially since you included a skeleton. 18:31 <@rizen> yeah, i tried to throw in lots of useful stuff, like color coding, history, macros, formatting, etc 18:31 <@rizen> this is the vimrc i use to write webgui 18:31 <@rizen> so i figure it will be useful to other people that use vim 18:32 <+crythias> I just stumbled your dev annonuncement. 18:32 * SDuensin wants to learn Emacs just so he can make it his shell and be an uber geek. 18:32 <+crythias> (for stumbleupon. thumbs up) 18:33 * vayde slaps SDuensin 18:33 <@vayde> watch your mouth! 18:33 * crythias wants to learn Emacs so he can use it to run vim. 18:33 * SDuensin is a JOE fan, but you can't run Infocom games in it. 18:33 <@rizen> JOE is for looney's 18:34 <@vayde> real men use vim 18:34 <@rizen> snapcount was also a fan of JOE 18:34 < SDuensin> We've already established that I'm a looney. 18:34 <+crythias> vi improved and growing rapidly always... 18:34 <+crythias> that's right. vimagra. 18:34 <@rizen> nice 18:36 <+crythias> "Take the blue pill!" 18:36 <+crythias> (Neo) 18:37 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat054.mxim.com] has joined #webgui 18:37 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 18:37 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:42 <@rizen> i've decided that i hate crythias because he makes RFE's that make me think too hard 18:42 < SDuensin> heheeh 18:42 <+crythias> oh, come on, I tried to be very specific. 18:43 * SDuensin files an RFE for an AJAX desktop. 18:43 <+crythias> :) 18:44 <+crythias> hrm 18:44 <+crythias> _________________________________ 18:44 <+crythias> [+] [art][cal][pol][wea] 18:44 <+crythias> ------------------------------------------------- 18:44 <+crythias> (x)(edit)(cut)(copy) 18:44 < SDuensin> Actually, I've been reading up on YUI and thinking more about how to implement it. It's *very* doable. Like "I'm excited about it" kind of doable. :-) 18:45 <+crythias> although I was thinking of icons instead of [art] 18:45 <@rizen> sd, that's awesome 18:45 <@rizen> cry, you suck 18:45 <@rizen> sucky mcsuckerton 18:45 <+crythias> um. ok... :? 18:46 <@rizen> cry, your rfe is making me think not because of what you're requesting 18:46 <@rizen> but because of what you said 18:46 <@rizen> there are a few things in there burning in my mind 18:46 <@rizen> 1) designing without worrying about the shift caused by the admin bar 18:47 <@rizen> 2) adding assets directly to a content position 18:47 <@rizen> 3) adding assets directly to a specific spot in a content position 18:48 <@rizen> i could care less about how the [+] [art][cal][pol][wea] part was implemented 18:48 <@rizen> but it stirs up all kinds of other crap that i've been thinking about for a long time 18:48 <@rizen> so much so that i can't focus on the request you're actually making without thinking about these other things 18:48 <@rizen> and all the problems involved in them 18:50 <+crythias> if it helps, I was thinking about how the drag-placement tells the assets to re-order, so I thought some of that could be used, somehow... 18:51 <@rizen> it doesn't help 18:51 <@rizen> once i get past the problems, the implementation will be easy 18:51 <@rizen> but there are all kinds of problems 18:52 <@rizen> there are human level problems, because the user interface changes 18:52 <@rizen> and then there are technical problems, like the fact that assets have no knowledge of page layouts and/or content positions, nor should they 18:53 <@rizen> but in order to do what you're asking, they have to 18:53 <+crythias> ok, what if there are "always" grey boxes between assets? 18:53 <@rizen> that doesn't help 18:53 <@rizen> the reason is this 18:53 <@rizen> when you add a new asset 18:53 <@rizen> it knows only what it's parent is 18:53 <@rizen> it has no idea about content positions 18:53 <@rizen> but after you get back from the edit screen 18:54 <@rizen> it needs to automatically position itself based upon what content position you added it to 18:54 <@rizen> but it doesn't know about content positions 18:54 <@rizen> see...the endless loop 18:55 <@rizen> if this were an easy problem to solve, then i would have already done what you're suggesting in your RFE 18:55 <+crythias> who's the daddy? always the last asset? 18:55 <@rizen> cuz that was my original intent for the webgui 7 interface 18:55 <@rizen> daddy? 18:55 <+crythias> parent 18:55 <+crythias> :) 18:55 <@rizen> for the purposes of this conversation, the parent is the page layout asset 18:56 <+crythias> how does a new asset know where to go as being the last asset in the loop? 18:56 <@rizen> and the child is an article or whatever 18:56 <@rizen> the child doesn't know 18:56 <@rizen> the page layout asset automatically throws any children it doesn't know how to position 18:56 <+crythias> that is, how does the child rank in its siblings? 18:57 <@rizen> to the bottom of the first content position 18:57 <@rizen> ordered by rank 18:57 <+crythias> how does it obtain a rank? 18:57 <@rizen> all assets are ranked 18:57 <@rizen> that's how navigation knows what order to display them in 18:57 <+crythias> by creation? 18:57 <@rizen> by default yes, but that can be editied 18:58 <+crythias> so one issue is that editing the asset is rank agnostic. 18:59 <@rizen> no idea what you're saying 18:59 <+crythias> the edit screen of an asset is rank agnostic. (doesn't care) 19:00 <@rizen> correct 19:00 <@rizen> but that's not an issue 19:00 <+crythias> oops. I have a meeting. bbiah 19:00 <@rizen> it has nothing to do with the problem 19:00 <@rizen> ok bye 19:26 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 19:26 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 19:28 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has joined #webgui 19:28 -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ 19:37 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has joined #webgui 19:37 < cap10morgan> If you put an HTMLArea in a DataForm and turn on Mail Data, is there a way to make the email send as HTML (and thus preserve the formatting from the HTMLArea)? 19:43 <+perlDreamer> cap10morgan: I've never tried that, but I don't see any reason why it shouldn't work. Maybe it's a templating problem? 19:44 < cap10morgan> hmm... are the email headers in the template? or would i have to modify the dataform asset to set it as type text/html? 19:44 <+perlDreamer> I don't think email headers are in the template. 19:46 <+perlDreamer> Nope, they're in the code. 19:48 -!- xootom [n=tom@195.224.29.66] has left #webgui [] 20:07 -!- rizen_ [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 20:07 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:09 -!- rizen_ [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Client Quit] 20:15 < cap10morgan> ok, thanks pD 20:15 < cap10morgan> i'll look into it and contribute the feature if i end up coding it in there 20:24 <+perlDreamer> cap, you may also want to look at the Thingy spec that rizen published two days ago. 20:24 <+perlDreamer> He's not looking for feedback about it, unless you want to develop the part that you're feeding back about. 20:55 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 20:55 -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ 21:05 <+perlDreamer> what idiot decided that the close and quit bindkeys should be adjacent? 21:06 <@rizen> huh? 21:06 <@vayde> lol 21:06 <+perlDreamer> Ctrl-W and Ctrl-Q 21:06 <+perlDreamer> They are way too close 21:06 <@rizen> ah, probably the same idiot that decided on a mac to have Apple Q and Apple Tab next to each other 21:07 <@rizen> one quits, one pages through open apps 21:07 <+perlDreamer> I see 21:07 * SDuensin just learned to type. Solves those problems. 21:07 <+perlDreamer> and since you want to rapidly page through apps... 21:07 <+perlDreamer> rizen: I've decided that I'm going to become evil. 21:07 <@rizen> an evil genius for a better tomorrow? 21:08 <+perlDreamer> Exactly! I'm going to start writing backdoors into WebGUI so that I get control of Windows servers. 21:08 <+perlDreamer> Of course, it will be cleverly disguised as bug fixes, RFEs and tests 21:08 <@rizen> i c 21:09 <@rizen> 1 deleted subversion account coming up 21:10 <+perlDreamer> Think of the work we won't have to do anymore. 21:10 <+perlDreamer> No more Windows for WRE 21:10 <+perlDreamer> No more filesystem semantics. 21:10 <@rizen> you sweet talker 21:11 -!- bopbop_ [n=kristi@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:11 < SDuensin> hhehe 21:11 -!- bopbop_ [n=kristi@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 21:11 <+perlDreamer> And no more windows support at the server level. 21:11 <+perlDreamer> We could even go one step further, and start hacking people who use IE. 21:11 <+perlDreamer> Just replace it with Firefox with a skin. 21:12 <@vayde> 'together we will rule the galaxy....' ? 21:12 <+perlDreamer> "There is no good and evil. Only power, and those too foolish not to use it." 21:13 <@vayde> who are you quoting? Palpatine? or Napoleon? 21:13 <+perlDreamer> Voldemort 21:13 <@vayde> definitely an evil genius for a better tomorrow. 21:14 < SDuensin> Voldemort! 21:14 <+perlDreamer> and I actually misquoted him 21:15 <+perlDreamer> "There is no good and evil, there is only power, and those too weak to seek it..." 21:15 <@vayde> I think HP should start a campaign to refer to him as 'Old Voldy' really mess with his head 21:15 <@vayde> evil geniuses rarely can laugh at themselves 21:15 <+perlDreamer> It's a character flaw 21:15 <+perlDreamer> It's the same one that makes them monologue 21:18 <+perlDreamer> Of course, if I did hack it, I'd feel remorseful afterwards 21:18 <+perlDreamer> Aggrieved, even 21:18 <+perlDreamer> I'd have to iron my hands 21:39 <+crythias> back. 21:39 <+crythias> yeah, long hour. 21:39 <+crythias> so, rizen, you said that rank isn't the problem? 21:40 <@rizen> well your rankness can be a problem 21:40 <@rizen> =) 21:40 <@rizen> but mine is worse than yours 21:41 * crythias sniff his pits. eqe.. oh! I should have used *right* guard! 21:41 <+crythias> s/eqe/ewe/ 21:41 <@rizen> rank has nothing to do with the problem at hand here 21:41 <@rizen> and we can't use rank to solve the problem 21:41 <@rizen> because rank is only 1 list 21:42 <@rizen> and there can be many content positions on the page 21:42 <+crythias> but the asset knows what content position_loop to be in ... 21:42 <@rizen> nope it doesn't 21:43 <@rizen> the page layout asset keeps track of that 21:43 <@rizen> not each asset 21:43 <+crythias> well, not the "asset", but the asset ends up in the proper (or is it just the last position_loop?) 21:43 <@rizen> the new asset just gets tagged on to the end of the first content position, because the page layout doesn't know what to do with it yet 21:44 <@rizen> if we knew the assetid before the asset was created, then we could tell the page layout where to put it 21:44 <@rizen> before going to the edit screen 21:44 <@rizen> but that doesn't happen until after you hit save 21:44 <+crythias> ok, so greybox asset stubs? 21:45 <+crythias> change assetstub asset type? 21:45 <@rizen> what is assetstub? 21:45 <+crythias> a fictitious name for a greybox "between" assets that always exists, with an assetId. 21:46 <+crythias> I guess that is silly... 21:48 <@rizen> the only thing i can think of is that we change the asset API to allow an assetId to be passed in through the URL 21:48 <@rizen> but that seems dangerous to me 21:50 <@rizen> let's come back to this and talk about the shifting problem for a second 21:50 <@rizen> the problem where all the content has to be shifted over to make room for the admin bar 21:50 <@rizen> there's another RFE out there that wants to make the adminbar not scroll with the page because it renders really slowly on some browsers 21:51 <@rizen> i think i know a way to deal with both problems at the same time 21:51 <@rizen> what if the admin bar sat in a frame on the left side of the screen, and the content was included in a frame on the right side of the screen? 21:52 <@rizen> i think that solves the problem 21:53 <@rizen> in addition, i think that pages would load faster because the admin bar wouldn't have to be refreshed on every screen 21:55 * perlmonkey2 ponders hiding from this channel because he knows he needs to start making some progress on the survey update. 21:56 <+crythias> I'd like the admin bar to be a hovering div 21:56 <@rizen> but a hovering div covers content 21:56 < perlmonkey2> what is it now? iframe? 21:56 <+crythias> draggable, hovering div 21:56 <@rizen> it's a div that pushes over all the content on the page 21:58 <@rizen> ok cry...tell me this then 21:58 <@rizen> you're at the bottom of a long page 21:58 <@rizen> now you have to scroll to the top where your draggable hovering div is 21:58 <@rizen> to do anything 21:58 <+crythias> why? 21:58 <@rizen> is that acceptable? 21:58 <@rizen> how could you not? 21:58 <+crythias> not if the div can follow your scroll 21:58 <@rizen> if it's draggable then you have to put it into position 21:58 <@rizen> you just said it was draggable 21:59 <@rizen> is it scrolling or is it dragging? 21:59 <+crythias> it's fixed to position relative to window, not content 21:59 <+crythias> fixed: draggable to a ... 22:00 <@rizen> tell you what...create a static html page somewhere, with a div that does what you want it to do 22:00 <@rizen> cuz i don't understand you 22:00 < perlmonkey2> I'm not sure that is possible. You drag the div to a location. Then you scroll down. The div will not stay fixed, right? 22:01 <@rizen> that's what i'm saying 22:01 <+crythias> http://www.thescripts.com/forum/thread146154.html 22:01 <@rizen> you can't have it scroll and drag 22:02 < perlmonkey2> Geocities style? Yuck. 22:02 < perlmonkey2> Talk about a trainwreck for asethics. 22:02 <+crythias> this is for admin, not users 22:02 <@rizen> cry...the admin bar already does the follow thing that you just pointed me to 22:03 < perlmonkey2> Okay.....then groovy. 22:03 <@rizen> the problem i have is that i know how to make something draggable 22:03 <@rizen> and i know how to make something follow the scroll bar 22:03 <@rizen> but i don't know how to make them do that at the same time 22:04 <+crythias> once focus is blur, the item is fixed.. 22:04 <@rizen> because they seem to be working against each other 22:04 <@rizen> and actually, let me take a step back for a second 22:04 <@rizen> even if i could make this work 22:04 <@rizen> i think this is a horrible idea 22:04 <@rizen> because no matter what 22:04 <+crythias> http://www.dynamicdrive.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-7463.html 22:04 <@rizen> you're always going to have some part of your page covered by the admin bar 22:04 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has left #webgui [] 22:04 <@rizen> it's annoying 22:05 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 22:05 < perlmonkey2> position:fixed? 22:05 <+crythias> yes, but if you work in photoshop, you have the same issue, sometimes. 22:05 < perlmonkey2> What happens if you drag/drop something with position:fixed attr? 22:05 <@rizen> having the admin bar cover any part of the content is unacceptable 22:05 < SDuensin> Pop the sucker open in another browser window. 22:06 < perlmonkey2> What's the complaint with the current set up? 22:06 <@rizen> if you use a fixed position element in your site 22:06 <@rizen> it doesn't get pushed over with the rest of your content 22:06 <@rizen> when the admin bar is turned on 22:07 <@rizen> that's the complaint 22:07 <@rizen> or at least cry's complaint 22:07 <@rizen> another user has a complaint that the whole follow as you drag thing slows down their computer 22:07 <+crythias> As long as the admin bar is not full page, it doesn't matter to me where the admin bar is as long as it's not where I'm needing to work. 22:07 <@rizen> s/drag/scroll/ 22:07 < SDuensin> I like the frame idea. Or make it a toggle so it's framed or in a new floating window. That's easy enough - just change the target. 22:08 < perlmonkey2> I don't use position:fixed so I like it how it is :0 22:08 <@rizen> SD when you're the one writing it, you can make it do two different things 22:08 <@rizen> while i'm the one writing it, it's going to work just one way 22:08 < SDuensin> When I write it, it'll be on it's own desktop. :-P 22:09 <@rizen> when it's on it's own desktop, you won't need the admin bar 22:10 <+crythias> http://www.gwy2.org/uploads/drag.html 22:11 <@rizen> cry, thank you, but as i said, covering any part of the content is unacceptable 22:11 < SDuensin> crythias, ok, that is kinda cool. 22:11 <+crythias> why is that more unacceptable than not being able to accurately edit a web page? 22:12 < SDuensin> I GOT IT! Command line! No more bar! "INSERT ARTICLE INTO PAGE1" 22:12 <@rizen> the solution i gave about frames fixes both problems 22:12 <+crythias> well, I don't have necessarily an issue about frames. 22:12 <@rizen> and it's more acceptable because you're not the only person in the world that uses webgui 22:13 <@rizen> there are a lot of users out there who would be confused by the admin bar floating, and even more that would be angry about their content being covered up by it 22:13 <+crythias> except that it's only covering up when admin is on. a lot of admin on things break normal user experience. 22:14 <@rizen> this IS the user experience 22:14 <@rizen> the web page in normal viewing mode is irrelevant 22:14 <@rizen> you're forgetting that MY user is the content manager 22:14 <@rizen> and that means that admin mode 22:14 <@rizen> is my user experience 22:18 <+crythias> SDuensin: Thanks 22:19 <+crythias> adding stuff that isn't in the final product is ok, though? 22:19 <@rizen> are you talking to me? 22:19 <+crythias> yes, sorry. 22:19 <@rizen> adding stuff where? 22:20 <+crythias> between assets. 22:20 <@rizen> why do i always feel lost talking to you. can you please make a complete statement and not assume any prior conversation? 22:21 <+crythias> If the admin bar can roll-up, be transparent, or hidden, then it's still unacceptable at any time to cover content? 22:23 <@rizen> yes, because in order to use it, you're going to have to unroll, or otherwise make it visible again...and doing that adds an extra click 22:23 <+crythias> or mouseover? 22:24 <@rizen> cry, it's still covering the content 22:24 <@rizen> get it through your head, it's unacceptable...when i say that, i mean it, and i mean that you can't change my mind on it 22:24 <+crythias> but it's not any more obtrusive than the (x)(edit)(copy) buttons. 22:24 <@rizen> yes it is, because those buttons don't COVER content 22:24 <@rizen> the COVER part is the part i don't like 22:25 <@rizen> i don't care about dragging scrolling invisibility whatever 22:25 <@rizen> i care about COVERING 22:25 <@rizen> and COVERING is unacceptable 22:25 <@rizen> conversation over 22:26 < SDuensin> So, rizen, you'd rather it didn't cover anything? 22:26 * SDuensin ducks 22:26 <+crythias> The frames shrink the workable area. 22:49 < pjesi> can't the adminbar be horizontal at the top? 22:49 <+crythias> extra clicks to get to new content 22:50 <+crythias> plus downward lists cover existing content 22:50 <@rizen> and most importantly, that doesn't solve either of the two problems that we're trying to solve 22:51 <@rizen> where it is, and what it's shaped like are irrelevant 22:51 <+crythias> Please remind me the two problems? 22:54 <@rizen> 1) if you used fixed position items on your site, the current admin bar doesn't shift them over, but it does shift over all other content, which then causes a defect in the site 22:55 <@rizen> 2) having the admin bar scroll with the page in the manner that it does now causes the browser to be slow, sluggish, etc 22:56 <+crythias> and I remember at one time the admin bar scrolled out from left, correct? 22:57 <@rizen> yes it did, and people hated it 22:57 <@rizen> because 22:57 <@rizen> 1) it covered their content 22:57 <@rizen> 2) it slowed down their computer 22:58 <@rizen> 3) sometimes they had a hard time clicking on it while it was moving 22:58 <+crythias> I agree with that. 22:59 <+crythias> I'd understand that *that* covering of content was unacceptable for the fact that you couldn't do anything at all with content under the admin bar, because the admin bar was in a fixed position. 23:00 <@rizen> i have 2 viable ways to fix the above two remaining problems 23:00 <@rizen> 1) the frames way that i mentioned 23:00 <@rizen> 2) move the admin bar to the right side of the screen 23:00 <@rizen> most people position stuff from the left 23:00 <@rizen> when they use fixed positions 23:01 <@rizen> so that would solve the problem 99% of the time 23:01 <@rizen> however, it causes 2 other problems 23:01 <@rizen> 1) people are already used to it being on the left 23:01 <@rizen> 2) the reason it's on the left instead of the right is because when i put it on the right, people accidentally clicked on the admin bar when they were trying to scroll 23:02 <@rizen> therefore, i think moving it to the right just adds more problems, and therefore is not a viable solution 23:02 <+crythias> which the frames does make absolute positioning work correctly. 23:02 <@rizen> which thusly brings us back to frames 23:02 <@rizen> yup, cuz i'm not mucking with their html/css at all 23:03 <@rizen> i'm just putting it inside a frame 23:03 <+crythias> I like frames for the purposes stated. 23:03 <@rizen> the only problem with frames is that i personally hate frames 23:03 <@rizen> =) 23:03 <@rizen> but that's my bias 23:03 <@rizen> and i guess i'll have to get over it 23:03 <@rizen> unless someone comes up with something else 23:03 <+crythias> are any concerns about cross-site scripting vulnerability related to frames use in this context? 23:04 <+crythias> (I hate frames, too, but I seem to see not many other options) 23:05 <+crythias> s/are any/are there any/ 23:06 <+perlDreamer> I know i'm coming in late,but I have a suggestion. 23:06 <+perlDreamer> Why not have give the Admin Bar its own z-axis control and map it to a bindkey 23:07 <+perlDreamer> Say, F2 23:07 <+perlDreamer> F2, Admin bar on top of content 23:07 <+crythias> because it covers content 23:07 <+perlDreamer> F2, Admin bar on bottom of content 23:07 <+perlDreamer> kind of like the Admin console 23:07 <+perlDreamer> only with a bindkey 23:07 < SDuensin> Bindkeys work everywhere? 23:08 <@vayde> I dunno, seeing an actual useful and non-sucky use of frames would be somewhat refreshing 23:08 < SDuensin> hehehe 23:08 <+perlDreamer> by definition, frames suck and are non-useful 23:08 <+crythias> well, if you frame it that way... 23:09 <@rizen> wahoo 23:10 <+crythias> ? 23:10 <@rizen> cry, your drag thing fixed the slowness problem 23:10 <@rizen> i can get rid of my javascript to scroll the admin bar 23:10 <@rizen> i didn't know about position:fixed!important; 23:10 <@rizen> when i wrote the admin bar 23:10 <@rizen> so i've been using javascript to float it 23:11 <@rizen> or to slide it down the screen when you scroll 23:11 <@rizen> so cutting out that code fixes the slowness problem that was reported 23:11 <@rizen> so now we just need to fix the fixed elements problem 23:11 <@rizen> which, unfortunately still comes back to frames 23:11 <@rizen> methinks 23:12 <+crythias> well, the draggable fixed div thing didn't seem to have the scroll-bounce problem that similar solutions I've seen had. 23:13 <+crythias> that is, one scrolls down, the hover div goes off, then bounces back into place when the scroll stops. 23:13 <@rizen> yeah, that's exactly what the problem is with the admin bar currently 23:13 <@rizen> which causes slowdown on slower computers 23:13 <@preaction> display: fixed; is supposed to work on IE7 23:14 <@rizen> preaction, do you have ie7? 23:14 <@preaction> er.. position: fixed 23:14 <@preaction> yes 23:14 * SDuensin wishes IE7 had CSS "fixed". 23:14 <@rizen> i've just made the change on plainblack.com 23:14 <@rizen> could you test it 23:14 <@rizen> and make sure it's working 23:14 <@rizen> i'll test ie6 23:14 <@preaction> k 23:14 <@preaction> it doesn't work on ie6, i know that 23:15 <+crythias> does this make sense? http://xullicious.blogspot.com/2006/02/smooth-positionfixed-in-ie.html 23:16 <@preaction> works in IE7 23:17 <@rizen> so the admin bar moves with the page fluidly? 23:17 <@preaction> http://www.webdevout.net/browser-support-css#support-css2propsbasic-position <- list of CSS properties and their level of support 23:17 <@preaction> yes 23:18 <@preaction> it's fixed to the viewport, doesn't move at all 23:20 <@rizen> crap 23:20 <@rizen> you're right, it doesn't work at all in ie6 23:21 <@rizen> and neither does crythias's suggested reading 23:21 <+crythias> however, you can use IE6 if to run the javascript ... thing if only for IE6... 23:21 <@rizen> i guess we need to stick with my crap ass javascript until we go to frames 23:22 <@rizen> i think i can pretty quickly and easily do the frames thing for 7.4 if and when we ever start working on 7.4 23:22 <@preaction> use a conditional comment to load the JS 23:22 < SDuensin> 23:23 <@preaction> better explanation of conditional comments: http://www.quirksmode.org/css/condcom.html 23:24 <@rizen> given the way it is written, that will take more effort than you might imagine, and it's not worth it considering i still have to rewrite it for 7.4 anyway 23:24 <@rizen> cuz the scrolling is only half of the problem 23:25 <+perlDreamer> --bug 23:26 <+crythias> http://www.cssplay.co.uk/layouts/fixed.html 23:30 <+crythias> ttfn 23:40 <@preaction> but if you can't use absolute/relative positions on the rest of the page, that's almost worse than the disease 23:41 -!- bopbop_ [n=kristi@68-114-216-78.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] 23:51 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@224.sub-75-205-81.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:58 <+perlDreamer> --bug 23:58 <@rizen> you rock 23:58 <@rizen> i closed only 3 so far today 23:58 <@rizen> all wre related 23:58 <+perlDreamer> I was able to close the re-posted SQL Form bug (which needed the user to upgrade) 23:59 <+perlDreamer> and the wiki link one ignoring the gateway url --- Day changed Wed May 02 2007 00:00 <+perlDreamer> rizen: we can close another easy one if you'll have vrby finish this up: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/assetproxy-macro-in-checkout#pClyXEnr3-nxLP0GV-dUmA 00:01 <+perlDreamer> I'm going to tackle mlamar's dataform bug next 00:01 <+perlDreamer> I'm going to be pretty busy during the official Bug Day, so I though I'd kick in when I can 00:01 <@rizen> i've thrown it at him 00:02 <@rizen> cool 00:06 < cap10morgan> can you ask a revision object who created that revision in the API? 00:06 < cap10morgan> i can't figure it out based on the docs 00:07 <@rizen> yes 00:08 <+perlDreamer> In the assetVersionTag table, see the committedBy field 00:08 <@rizen> do you have a version tag object, or the asset object? 00:08 < cap10morgan> version tag object 00:10 <@rizen> $tag->get("committedBy") 00:10 <@rizen> will return the userId 00:10 <@rizen> which you can then feed into WebGUI::User->new($session, $id); 00:10 <@rizen> you can also do createdBy 00:10 <@rizen> if you want who created the tag 00:11 < cap10morgan> groovy, that did the trick 00:11 < cap10morgan> thanks rizen 00:13 < cap10morgan> after you call $asset->update($properties); do you have to call $asset->commit(); ? 00:13 < cap10morgan> (assuming you want to commit any version tags you're creating) 00:14 <@rizen> no 00:14 < cap10morgan> ok, cool 00:14 <@rizen> update updates an existing revision 00:14 <@rizen> so it's already committed 00:14 <@rizen> or not 00:14 <@rizen> but either way 00:14 <@rizen> you only need to commit 00:14 <@rizen> after doing 00:14 <@rizen> addChild 00:14 <@rizen> or addRevision 00:14 < cap10morgan> ok 00:15 < cap10morgan> out of curiosity, why do the docs recommend update over addRevision for API programmers? just because you don't have to mess w/ committing? 00:16 <@rizen> in what way do they recommend one way over the other? 00:17 < cap10morgan> under addRevision, it says, "Note that programmers should almost never call this method directly, but rather use the update() method instead." 00:17 < cap10morgan> in AssetVersioning.html 00:18 <@rizen> that language is rather strong 00:18 <@rizen> in general, update() is the right thing to call unless you actually want a new revision 00:18 <@rizen> most of the time you're modifying something in processPropertiesFromFormPost() or something like that 00:19 <+perlDreamer> rizen: I just added some POD to WebGUI::VersionTag.pm with a short list of properties for ->get. 00:19 <@rizen> in that case, you're already working on a new revision 00:19 <@rizen> so you just want to update that 00:19 < cap10morgan> ok, gotcha 00:19 <@rizen> rather than adding yet another new rev 00:19 <+perlDreamer> https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=4036 00:19 <@rizen> k 00:19 <+perlDreamer> Can you give it a quick once over 00:19 <+perlDreamer> I want to be sure my locking note is correct 00:19 <+perlDreamer> about Asset locking vs version tag locking 00:20 <@rizen> that is true 00:20 <+perlDreamer> phew 00:20 <@rizen> version tags are locked waiting for approval 00:20 <@rizen> so they should not be edited during that time 00:20 <@rizen> it's just that assets and version tags are locked for different reasons 00:33 -!- dionak [n=dionak@adsl-072-149-129-114.sip.clt.bellsouth.net] has quit [] 00:36 <+perlDreamer> dang it 00:36 <+perlDreamer> If she comes back, someone needs to tell her that her bug has already been fixed. 00:36 <+perlDreamer> It's the graphcs/CS bug 00:36 <+perlDreamer> It's only on the bug board about 3 times. 00:39 <@rizen> did you close all of them? 00:40 <+perlDreamer> no 00:40 <+perlDreamer> I didn't fix the original. 00:40 <@rizen> but it is fixed, right? 00:41 <+perlDreamer> I'm like 95% positive they're all the same bug, but without testing I don't want to close the reports. 00:43 <@rizen> ok then 00:45 <+perlDreamer> --bug 00:45 <+perlDreamer> I would test the file upload stuff, but my browser doesn't do file upload in wG 7. (Mozilla 1.4) 00:47 <@rizen> i can't believe you haven't found a way to sneak in a new browser yet 00:47 <+perlDreamer> We looked into compiling one, but Gtk2 doesn't like Solaris 8 00:48 <@rizen> can't even get opera for solaris? 00:48 <+perlDreamer> Hmmmm..... 00:48 <+perlDreamer> Let me close another bug, then I'll look 00:50 <+perlDreamer> --bug 01:20 <+perlDreamer> rizen: you're a genius 01:20 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:20 <@rizen> opera works? 01:20 <+perlDreamer> yeah 01:20 <+perlDreamer> Unbelieveable 01:20 <@rizen> wahoo...now you have a modern browser 01:20 <+perlDreamer> The only problem is that it doesn't like green 01:20 <@rizen> after all these years 01:21 <@rizen> huh? 01:21 <+perlDreamer> On the PB support page, the recent posts column 01:21 <+perlDreamer> the upgrade/install help forum posts are green normally? 01:22 <@rizen> yup 01:22 <+perlDreamer> Not in opera 01:22 <+perlDreamer> they're yellow 01:22 <@rizen> weird 01:22 <+perlDreamer> Sunset's site is green, but in opera they're brown 01:22 <+perlDreamer> It must think my church is crap 01:22 <+perlDreamer> Vile, unholy modern browser! 01:23 <@rizen> maybe it's not opera 01:23 <@rizen> maybe your monitor is f*cked 01:30 <+perlDreamer> No, I can see green in mozilla 01:31 <+perlDreamer> And also blue 01:31 <+perlDreamer> but not coincident with yellow 01:31 <@rizen> oh well. at least now you can test stuff 01:31 <@rizen> i was hoping you'd be able to just replace your browser 01:31 <@rizen> guess that was hoping for too much 01:31 <+perlDreamer> I can live without green 01:32 <+perlDreamer> It may also have a Flash plug-in 01:32 <@rizen> you can't do flash right now either? 01:32 <+perlDreamer> no 01:32 <+perlDreamer> no flash 01:32 <+perlDreamer> no bit torren 01:32 <+perlDreamer> no mp3 01:32 <@rizen> crap ass 01:32 <+perlDreamer> no video or audio of any types 01:32 <+perlDreamer> poor javascript and CSS 01:33 <@rizen> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-sources.html 01:33 <@rizen> have you tried vlc? 01:33 <@rizen> that compiles pretty much everywhere 01:33 <@rizen> and will give you full audio/video capabilities 01:33 <+perlDreamer> Does it come with codecs? 01:33 <@rizen> yup 01:34 <@rizen> all codecs included 01:34 <@rizen> you don't need to go get them 01:34 <@rizen> even has codecs for most msft formats 01:36 -!- dionak [n=dionak@cpe-024-074-157-216.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 01:38 <@rizen> ok..well i gotta go 01:38 <@rizen> i might be back on later tonight 01:38 <@rizen> oh and opera should have bittorrent built in 01:52 < ckotil> is deactivating an account and deleting an account considered the same as far these workflow triggers go? 01:53 <@preaction> i would think no 01:53 < ckotil> we could have a workflow trigger for each, deactivation and deletion of user accounts 01:55 <@preaction> could deactivation be the same as updating the user? if the new user properties are passed into the activity, you can test to see if the status is being changed 02:00 < ckotil> that makes sense. 02:05 < ckotil> i need to figure out what sub is called when an existing user account is saved by an admin 02:06 <+perlDreamer> www_editUserSave? 02:06 <+perlDreamer> inside Operation/User.pm 02:07 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has quit [] 02:08 -!- Haarg [n=haarg@24-177-123-127.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 02:08 -!- mode/#webgui [+o Haarg] by ChanServ 02:09 <+perlDreamer> --bug 02:10 <+perlDreamer> That one is actually just a clean-up 02:19 <@vayde> preaction, got a date conundrum for you 02:19 <@preaction> ooh, i LOVE those 02:19 <@vayde> http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/sqlform-and-date-isnull#VqP8H7TxCcrI-4ZTiGG2ew 02:19 <@vayde> been working on this one 02:20 <@vayde> and I got it narrowed down to a specific culprit 02:20 <@vayde> the question now is how to fix it 02:20 <@vayde> It's breaking because it doesn't like doing datetime->setToEpoch on mysql's null date value 0000-00-00 02:21 <@vayde> If we test for that value and avoid the method call, the date gets interpreted as 1969-12-31 02:21 <@vayde> If I undef it the date gets interpreted as today 02:21 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 02:21 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 02:21 <@vayde> neither one is particularly attractive 02:22 <@vayde> we need a way to preserve the null value as a null, not a specific epoch date 02:22 <@preaction> why does undef get interpreted as today? 02:22 <@preaction> in the SQLForm itself as the default value? 02:22 <@vayde> I dunno. That's what is happening 02:22 <+perlDreamer> Most of the DateTime calls default to today if no epoch is passed 02:22 <+perlDreamer> actually, it's time(), not today 02:22 <@vayde> that's what I think is happening 02:23 <@vayde> PD and I were kicking this one around, and I think we need to be able to handle a null value here 02:23 <@vayde> Personally, I use null dates in my databases in a couple contexts 02:24 <@vayde> while that might not be a wonderful thing, the last thing we can have happen is have what was a null get written to some arbitrary date 02:24 <@preaction> but 0000-00-00 isn't null, iirc mysql allows null in those fields 02:24 <@vayde> null in mysql gets stored as 0000-00-00 02:24 <@vayde> null in a date field anyway 02:28 <+perlDreamer> Is assetIndex the table used by search? 02:28 <@preaction> wait, is SQLForm using the WebGUI::Form::DateTime elements? 02:29 -!- crythia1 is now known as SuckyMcSuckerton 02:29 <@vayde> It's building dynamically 02:29 <@vayde> in this case it's using WebGUI::Form::Date 02:30 <@vayde> but it's _getFieldValue that's breaking 02:30 <@preaction> you can give them the mysql dates, you don't need to setToEpoch 02:30 <@vayde> it still gets converted to epoch 02:30 <@vayde> mysql 0000-00-00 concerts to 1969-1231 02:30 <@vayde> er 1969-12-31 02:33 <@preaction> i think it might be prudent (since you can't have a negative epoch time) to have setToEpoch return anything before 1970 as 0. what do you think? 02:33 <+SuckyMcSuckerton> my dad might not like to be set to 0 02:33 <@vayde> you can't have negative epoch? 02:34 <@preaction> eh, never tried it 02:34 <@preaction> so SQLForm is storing date/time in mysql date/time fields (not bigint), but it's changing it to epoch times... why? 02:35 <@vayde> no, it's only storing them in mysql date fields if thats what the underlying table has in it 02:35 <@vayde> It's changing ti to epoch if the field type is date or datetime 02:36 <@preaction> i wonder why the SQLForm doesn't use backticks to bypass those reserved words, or DBI->quote_identifier 02:36 <@vayde> why it appears to be converting it even if I tell it not to is another question 02:36 <+perlDreamer> Isn't that what WebGUI::Form does? 02:36 <@preaction> WebGUI::Form::Date/Time fields don't convert to epoch IF you give it a value or a defaultValue that is using the mysql format 02:37 <@preaction> that might be a problem 02:37 <+perlDreamer> gotta head home. See y'all later. 02:37 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat054.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 02:38 <@vayde> this one is definitely a conundrum 02:41 <+SuckyMcSuckerton> ? 02:45 <@preaction> vayde: what if you trap the call to DateTime and if it fails return 0 or undef or something? i think it might be more important to be able to edit the record without worrying what we display if we have something we can't parse 02:45 <@preaction> but i'd run it by JT, definately 02:46 <@vayde> yeah, I could do that, but if it displays somethign wierd by default then, and you save the record, you're gonna save the wierd value 02:46 <@preaction> the only way i can see running into that is if someone adds a date field after there's already data in the database 02:46 <@vayde> and whether it's time() or 1669-12-31, its still definitely not the null you had before 02:47 <@vayde> yep. if you import an existing table into a SQLForm 02:47 <@preaction> using the wg date/time elements it's impossible to get a null value 02:47 <@vayde> and it has date fields 02:47 <@vayde> and those date fields have nulls 02:48 <@preaction> alternatively, we could add a null checkbox as an option to the form control that (for now) only the SQLForm uses 02:48 <@vayde> It might be a rare case, but in any event, it's not failing in a useful way. 02:48 <@vayde> No matter what, I think it comes down to a policy decision by JT 02:49 <@preaction> indeed 02:50 <+Radix_> morning folks 02:51 <@preaction> i'd put in my vote for the null checkbox, as you said there are times when NULL can be informative 02:56 * Radix_ heads off to work. 02:57 <@vayde> one way or another, we have to preserve the data. It could just fail more descriptively, but it can't change the data. That's just asking for trouble 03:00 -!- TheSeparator [i=Seppie@cp43027-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has joined #webgui 03:02 -!- TheSeparator [i=Seppie@cp43027-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 03:06 <@preaction> if it fails like it's doing, though, you can't fix the data. 03:08 <@vayde> right, but if it pulls up normally, it's changing the data 03:12 <@vayde> personally, I'd rather be forced to go in by hand and edit the record rather than have wG change it to something, but honestly both alternatives are unacceptable 03:33 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] 03:49 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has quit ["Exit- stage left"] 04:01 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 04:01 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 04:04 -!- dionak [n=dionak@cpe-024-074-157-216.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [] 04:17 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has joined #webgui 04:18 -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ 06:04 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has quit ["Exit- stage left"] 06:07 <+SuckyMcSuckerton> discovery channel ninja 06:10 <+Radix-wrk> Hmm? 06:11 <+SuckyMcSuckerton> on discovery channel us now ... 06:11 <+SuckyMcSuckerton> us:US 06:11 <+SuckyMcSuckerton> debunking ninja myths. 06:11 <+Radix-wrk> Ahh.. should've told vayde before he left.. he'd have loved to have seen that I'm sure 06:12 <+Radix-wrk> Why the new name Gerald? 06:12 <+SuckyMcSuckerton> jt blessed my appellation. 06:13 <+SuckyMcSuckerton> http://mentalhouse.net/irc/logs/webgui/2007-05.log 06:13 <+SuckyMcSuckerton> see 18:45 06:14 <+Radix-wrk> heh.. rizen hates my RFE's too 06:16 <+SuckyMcSuckerton> it's a good read, but... http://www.gwy2.org/uploads/drag.html 06:17 <+Radix-wrk> dragable div - nice 06:18 <+SuckyMcSuckerton> not only draggable, but fixed on scroll 06:18 <+Radix-wrk> Ahh.. true, didn't try scrolling 06:18 <+Radix-wrk> this what you were conceiving for the admin bar? 06:18 <+SuckyMcSuckerton> yeah 06:19 <+Radix-wrk> looks good to me 06:19 <+SuckyMcSuckerton> "Covers content"=BAD 06:19 <+SuckyMcSuckerton> although, moveable covering content isn't so bad... 06:19 <+Radix-wrk> the zenlike theme I converted had a problem with the admin bar - but it was one where half the admin bar was covered up, not the other way around 06:20 <+Radix-wrk> no idea how to fix it so I left it as is in the theme, can scroll down the page to get to the rest of the admin bar 06:21 <+SuckyMcSuckerton> hrm... 06:21 <+SuckyMcSuckerton> I wonder ... 06:21 <+SuckyMcSuckerton> I spose I could rejiggerthe admin bar 06:42 <@rizen> ckotil delete and deactivate should be different workflows 07:09 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] 07:21 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 07:21 -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ 08:38 -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@formsys.com] has joined #webgui 08:38 -!- sstanvir [n=Tanvir@s208148.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #webgui 08:38 < sstanvir> hello 08:39 <@rizen> howdy 08:40 < sstanvir> how r u doing 08:40 <@rizen> just dandy 08:40 <@rizen> and you? 08:40 < sstanvir> so so,thnx 08:40 < sstanvir> what is "dandy" ;) ? 08:41 <@rizen> it's another word for "fine" or "good" 08:41 < sstanvir> i c 08:41 < sstanvir> i have one issue 08:43 < sstanvir> can I ga? 08:43 <@rizen> ga? 08:43 <@rizen> what is ga? 08:43 < sstanvir> "go ahead" 08:43 <@rizen> you can ask, but that doesn't mean i'll have an answer for you 08:43 < sstanvir> i know 08:44 < sstanvir> that's why asking... if u r in the mood 08:44 <@rizen> make it quick, i'm going to bed soon 08:44 < sstanvir> ah, ok 08:44 < sstanvir> in my WebGUI.. .. 08:45 < sstanvir> i created some assets . 08:45 < sstanvir> it shows the message several times "no menus defined" when I browse through the pages 08:45 < sstanvir> i mean everytime one page opens (associated with the created asset) 08:46 < sstanvir> i have no idea why it shows the message 08:46 <@rizen> are you using the default webgui 7 style? 08:46 < sstanvir> i changed to style03 08:47 < sstanvir> style template and printable style => style03 08:47 <@rizen> the coolmenus nav is the thing that generates that message 08:47 <@rizen> it only generates that message when either it doesn't have any pages to display in the nav 08:48 <@rizen> or when there is some corruption in the data being displayed (maybe quotes or half quotes or carriage returns in the page titles) 08:48 <@rizen> that's as good of information as i can give you without looking at your pages directly 08:48 <@rizen> which i'm not going to do 08:49 < sstanvir> after displaying the error message it's displaying the page 08:49 <@rizen> yup 08:49 <@rizen> it's only the nav that's broken, not the page 08:49 < sstanvir> i didnt get your point completely.. which part is the nav ? 08:50 <@rizen> nav = navigation 08:50 < sstanvir> yes 08:50 <@rizen> there is a navigation asset in the style 08:50 <@rizen> that's as much help as i can give you 08:51 < sstanvir> ok, thanks a lot 08:52 < sstanvir> i appreciate your help.. 08:52 <@rizen> it's not that i don't want to help you further 08:52 <@rizen> but i'm tired 08:52 <@rizen> and you have to understand that i'm in the business of charging for support 08:53 < sstanvir> yeah 08:53 <@rizen> and you're welcome 08:53 < sstanvir> understood 08:53 <@rizen> now that you know where to look, perhaps someone else on here can help you further, or maybe out on the public boards 08:53 < sstanvir> hmm..ok 08:54 < sstanvir> otsukare-sama-desu 08:54 <@rizen> huh? 08:54 < sstanvir> it means something like "thank you".. "good job"... etc.. 08:55 < sstanvir> (japanese tradition) 08:55 <@rizen> i see 08:55 <@rizen> we'll you're quite welcome 08:55 < sstanvir> so, take rest, bye for now 08:55 <@rizen> later 08:57 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:11 -!- midellaq [n=Miranda@83.225.190.35] has joined #webgui 09:39 -!- midellaq [n=Miranda@83.225.190.35] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:42 -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@formsys.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:42 -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 09:43 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 09:44 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 10:42 -!- Klaus_ [n=klaus_he@p57a5b541.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #webgui 10:43 -!- Haaarg [n=haarg@24-177-123-127.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 10:43 -!- mode/#webgui [+o Haaarg] by ChanServ 10:44 -!- Haarg [n=haarg@24-177-123-127.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:20 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@194.171.50.114] has joined #webgui 11:20 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ 11:27 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@194.171.50.114] has left #webgui [] 11:28 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@194.171.50.114] has joined #webgui 11:28 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ 11:28 -!- MrHairgrease is now known as BugSlasherMurray 11:43 -!- emi [i=Emiliano@195.32.84.31] has joined #webgui 12:04 -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:53 -!- xootom [n=tom@195.224.29.66] has joined #webgui 13:02 -!- sstanvir [n=Tanvir@s208148.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has left #webgui [] 13:22 -!- midellaq [n=midellaq@hermes.wseurope.com] has joined #webgui 13:27 -!- crythia1 [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 13:27 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 13:32 -!- crythia2 [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 13:32 -!- crythia1 [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 13:38 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:51 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 13:51 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 13:51 -!- crythia2 [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:10 < xootom> is anyone using e-commerce in webgui? 14:43 -!- xootom [n=tom@195.224.29.66] has left #webgui [] 15:27 -!- xootom [n=tom@195.224.29.66] has joined #webgui 15:29 <+Radix_> not me 15:47 < xootom> anyone know if it's possible to change the $ to £ ? 15:47 <+BugSlasherMurray> that's probably in the templates 15:47 < xootom> i thought that but can only find it when it relates to an additional price 15:48 <+BugSlasherMurray> hmmm 15:48 <+BugSlasherMurray> what templaets have you looked at 15:49 < xootom> for event management, display, checkout, manage/view purchases, search 15:49 < xootom> and through the language files 15:49 <+BugSlasherMurray> did you also checked out the product macro templates? 15:52 < xootom> no, only default product template 15:52 <+BugSlasherMurray> where do you see the $ sign? 15:53 <+BugSlasherMurray> using the Product macro 15:53 <+BugSlasherMurray> in the shoppingcart? 15:53 <+BugSlasherMurray> during checkout? 15:54 < xootom> on the choose a badge from the list bit 15:54 <+BugSlasherMurray> aha 15:54 < xootom> and browse events 15:54 <+BugSlasherMurray> that's in the eventsmanagement system right? 15:54 < xootom> yep 15:55 <+BugSlasherMurray> it's probably in there 15:55 <+BugSlasherMurray> but i have never used it 15:55 <+BugSlasherMurray> so i'm not sure 15:55 < xootom> thats what ive been looking through, cant find it though 15:55 <+BugSlasherMurray> better wait till the PB people are awake 15:55 <+BugSlasherMurray> they can prolly help you 15:57 < xootom> ok thanks :) 15:57 <+BugSlasherMurray> np 16:15 -!- dionak [n=dionak@adsl-072-149-129-114.sip.clt.bellsouth.net] has joined #webgui 16:20 -!- knowmad [n=william@adsl-072-149-129-114.sip.clt.bellsouth.net] has joined #webgui 16:21 -!- knowmad [n=william@adsl-072-149-129-114.sip.clt.bellsouth.net] has left #webgui [] 16:21 -!- knowmad [n=william@adsl-072-149-129-114.sip.clt.bellsouth.net] has joined #webgui 16:24 <@rizen> howdy folks 16:25 <+BugSlasherMurray> hi 16:25 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat054.mxim.com] has joined #webgui 16:25 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 16:25 <@rizen> perlDreamer!! 16:25 <+perlDreamer> oy, it's early 16:25 <@rizen> didn't expect you at all today 16:25 <+perlDreamer> I'll probably always be IRC'able, but may not have much bandwidth for bug fixing 16:26 <+perlDreamer> But I did read some commits, and I have a question for BugSlasherMurray 16:26 <+BugSlasherMurray> shoot 16:26 <+perlDreamer> What happens to the search index if someone pastes a branch/tree of assets? 16:27 <+BugSlasherMurray> hmm 16:27 <+BugSlasherMurray> i guess that's a bug too 16:27 <+BugSlasherMurray> i'll check it out 16:27 <+BugSlasherMurray> and fix it 16:28 < xootom> anyone know why when searching forums, the list of items returned contains repeated text, e.g. "Re: Purchase Files for Download (Commerce) Re: Purchase Files for Download (Commerce) rfe request for enhancement purchase files for download commerce re purchase files for download commerce" 16:29 < xootom> is it grepping all the lines that include the keyword 16:29 < xootom> would be nicer if it just showed the first paragraph 16:30 <@rizen> is xootom, today is the great webgui bugfix day 16:30 <@rizen> therefore, if it's not related to a bug 16:30 <@rizen> please keep the chatter down 16:30 <@rizen> thanks 16:33 <+BugSlasherMurray> rizen 16:33 < xootom> my apologies, the channel title has been the same for the last few days 16:33 <+BugSlasherMurray> https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/diff/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm?rev1=4041;rev2=4042 16:33 <+BugSlasherMurray> this only applies to the asset being pasted 16:33 <+BugSlasherMurray> however not to its children 16:34 <+BugSlasherMurray> descendants 16:34 <+BugSlasherMurray> i could do a indexContent on all descendats of the asset 16:34 <+perlDreamer> and it doesn't remove the original data from the searchIndex, either, so you should get two hits. 16:34 <+BugSlasherMurray> but wouldn;t that be very slow 16:35 <+BugSlasherMurray> why wouldn't it remove the existing data? 16:35 <+BugSlasherMurray> it just overwrites it 16:35 <+BugSlasherMurray> right? 16:35 <+BugSlasherMurray> updte .. where assetId = ... 16:36 <+perlDreamer> oh, yes. Sorry 'bout that. 16:36 <+BugSlasherMurray> np 16:46 -!- bopbop [n=kmccombs@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 16:46 <@rizen> bugslashermurray, sorry i was doing something else 16:46 <@rizen> was that conversation for me or for pd 16:46 <+BugSlasherMurray> for you 16:48 <@rizen> what bug report is this related to? 16:49 <+BugSlasherMurray> `http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/asset-tree-cut-and-paste-not-handled-by-search 16:51 -!- SuckyMcSuckerton [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:54 <@rizen> ok, yes you should update all the children 16:54 -!- khenn [n=khenn@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #WebGUI 16:54 -!- mode/#webgui [+o khenn] by ChanServ 16:54 <@rizen> if it turns out to be slow 16:54 <@rizen> then we'll add a trigger, and a special workflow 16:55 <+BugSlasherMurray> ok 16:55 <@rizen> to index it in the background 16:55 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has joined #webgui 16:55 -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ 16:55 <+perlDreamer> rizen: what version of HTML::Template is running on pb.com? 16:55 <@rizen> i don't know...but that's what i was going to look at next 16:56 <@rizen> i'm just getting questioned to death so i'm not able to do anything 16:56 <@rizen> bugslasher, as far as why it wouldn't already remove/overwite existing data, i'm not sure 16:56 <@rizen> it should 16:57 <+perlDreamer> that was my bad, rizen. It will remove the content from assetIndex. 17:03 <@rizen> crap...pb is on the latest version 17:04 <@rizen> now checking demo site 17:04 <+perlDreamer> My dev site is running 2.8 17:04 <@rizen> 2.8 17:04 <@rizen> ok, upgrading demo site to see if that makes the difference 17:06 <@rizen> yup 17:06 <@rizen> that's it 17:06 <@rizen> no longer works on demo site 17:08 <@vayde> --bug 17:08 <+perlDreamer> ++vayde 17:11 <@vayde> awe, shucks 17:12 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: karma vayde 17:12 < perlbot> vayde doesn't have any karma 17:13 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: ++vayde 17:13 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: karma vayde 17:13 < perlbot> vayde doesn't have any karma 17:13 <@vayde> I have trancended the wheel of samsara 17:13 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: thou suckest 17:13 <@vayde> Oom....... 17:14 <+perlDreamer> Electrical Engineers meditate to "Ohmslaw" 17:14 * vayde is more familiar with Murphy's law 17:15 <@vayde> and I've always liked Paul's law: You can't fall off the floor. 17:15 <@vayde> PD, you know about Coles' law? 17:16 <+perlDreamer> no, but I'm pondering Paul's law with regard to apartment buildings and earthquakes 17:16 <@vayde> Coles' law is all about thinly sliced cabbage 17:17 * perlDreamer recommends that $vayde->stick($dayJob) 17:17 <@vayde> rofl 17:19 <+perlDreamer> Easy for you to do, vayde. You have lots of mats on the floor. 17:20 <@vayde> and lots of pointed sticks to _convince_ people that my jokes are funny 17:24 -!- preaction [n=doug@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 17:24 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 17:27 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-140.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui 17:28 <+BugSlasherMurray> rizen 17:28 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 17:28 <@rizen> bsm 17:28 <+BugSlasherMurray> wher does this file do the actual cleaup of the cache? 17:28 <+BugSlasherMurray> https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/CleanFileCache.pm 17:28 <@preaction> sweet zombie jesus there are 27 people here 17:28 <+BugSlasherMurray> i'm asking b/c of the rss cache bug 17:28 -!- mode/#webgui [+o bopbop] by ChanServ 17:28 <@rizen> $size = $cache->getNamespaceSize($expiresModifier); 17:29 <@rizen> the getNamespaceSize method cleans up expired content 17:29 <+BugSlasherMurray> ah 17:29 <+BugSlasherMurray> ic now 17:29 <+BugSlasherMurray> rmtree($dir); 17:30 <+BugSlasherMurray> should the rss cache be cleaned in that activity too 17:30 <+BugSlasherMurray> or should it get it's own activity? 17:30 <@rizen> i'm conflicted on that...been thinking about it for a while 17:30 <@rizen> RSS is shared by other sites 17:30 <@rizen> as is URL 17:31 <@rizen> and a few other things 17:31 <@rizen> what do you think? 17:31 <@rizen> methinks that there should probably be a new one that cleans up all the auxillary stuff 17:31 <@rizen> that way it doesn't get cleaned up 50 times if you have 50 sites on your box 17:31 <@preaction> keep a file in the cache that has the last time it was cleaned, or use the last modified date from the file system? 17:31 <+BugSlasherMurray> what's the real difference? 17:32 <+BugSlasherMurray> tehy all have an expiration date right? 17:32 <+BugSlasherMurray> oh ok 17:32 <+BugSlasherMurray> ic 17:32 <@rizen> the difference is that it will have to traverse the filesystem 50 times, which is slow 17:32 <+BugSlasherMurray> but how do you setup a workflow for a host of zites 17:32 <+BugSlasherMurray> sites* 17:32 <+BugSlasherMurray> one workflow that is 17:33 <@rizen> oh...good point 17:33 <@rizen> in that case....make it part of the main worklfow 17:33 <@rizen> activity 17:33 <+BugSlasherMurray> the file being? 17:33 <@rizen> Workflow/Activity/CleanFileCache.pm 17:34 <+BugSlasherMurray> ok 17:34 <+BugSlasherMurray> but it will be executed 50 times then 17:34 <@rizen> yeah, but there's no way around it 17:35 <+BugSlasherMurray> ok 17:35 <@rizen> at least it will run faster by the 50th time 17:35 <@rizen> =) 17:35 <+BugSlasherMurray> i figured so much 17:35 <+BugSlasherMurray> =) 17:35 <+BugSlasherMurray> you could say that the more sites you put on a box the faster it will run on average 17:35 * BugSlasherMurray is thinking of becomming a salesman =) 17:36 <@rizen> BugSlasherMurray could sell ice cubes to an eskimo 17:36 <+BugSlasherMurray> they will stay frozen even longer if eskimos' buy them 17:37 -!- rizen is now known as BugSlasherMcGirk 17:38 <@preaction> is this a bug? http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/wrong-permissions -- seems more like a personal preference that can be fixed with a couple calls to Edit Branch 17:38 <+perlDreamer> BSMcGirk: did you find the Template bug? I've been poking around and think I've got it if you don't. 17:39 < cap10morgan> I'm thinking I'll tackle this one: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/auto-generated-synopsis-not-re-generated-after-edit 17:39 <@BugSlasherMcGirk> i've been poking around, but i can't figure it out 17:39 <@BugSlasherMcGirk> cap...when you start working on one, you should reply to it saying so 17:39 <+perlDreamer> It's inside _getTemplateVars 17:39 < cap10morgan> do you all agree that that probably requires adding a flag in the db that says whether or not a synopsis was auto-generated? 17:39 <@BugSlasherMcGirk> and if you stop, then do the same 17:39 <+perlDreamer> Do you want me to run with it? 17:39 < cap10morgan> BSMG: will do 17:39 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 17:40 <@BugSlasherMcGirk> cap: no 17:40 <@BugSlasherMcGirk> instead, make it autogenerate every time 17:40 <@BugSlasherMcGirk> unless it gets submitted through the form 17:40 <@BugSlasherMcGirk> that's how it's supposed to have worked all along 17:41 <@BugSlasherMcGirk> so unless $session->form->param("synopsis") then autogen 17:41 < SDuensin> Good morning 17:42 < emi> Good Evening :-D 17:42 < cap10morgan> BSMG: ok 17:43 < cap10morgan> the svn instructions on the site for checking out head don't seem to work 17:43 <@preaction> cap10morgan: svn co https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI <- i think that's the new url 17:44 < cap10morgan> cool, thanks 17:44 <@khenn> yeah, that's it 17:44 <@vayde> yeah, the instructions on the pb site need to be updated 17:44 <@preaction> i'll fix it 17:44 <@khenn> log it as a bug! Get ur kara 17:44 <@khenn> karma 17:45 <+perlDreamer> BugSlasherMcGirk: I've got a fix for the Help bug. 17:45 <@khenn> perlDreamer, do you have the day off today? 17:45 < cap10morgan> i can't just commit my fix back to the repo, can i? 17:46 <@BugSlasherMcGirk> pd: that's awesome 17:46 <+perlDreamer> khenn: no. Given a choice between perl hacking and documentation for a design review... 17:46 <@BugSlasherMcGirk> cap: i'll give you access for today 17:46 <+perlDreamer> --bug by vrby 17:47 < cap10morgan> BSMG: cool, thanks 17:47 <@BugSlasherMcGirk> cap, what's your email addy? 17:48 <@khenn> I dunno, documentation for a design review sounds like a good time 17:48 -!- emi [i=Emiliano@195.32.84.31] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:49 <+BugSlasherMurray> in what workflow is CleanFileCache executed? 17:49 <@BugSlasherMcGirk> cap10morgan, what is your email addy? 17:49 < cap10morgan> cap10morgan@gmail.com 17:51 <@vayde> preaction, you the calendar man, with the Calendar Events Disappearing bug, the disappearing events are being wholly purged from the db. That ring any bells? 17:51 <@preaction> good lord that should probably not be happening 17:51 <@preaction> that's with the recurring events, no/ 17:52 <+perlDreamer> --bug 17:52 <@vayde> yeah, if a recurring event happens across a span where there's already an event, 17:52 <@vayde> the previous event gets completely purged 17:52 <@vayde> not just trashed... gone 17:53 <+perlDreamer> bug status: 35 open WebGUI bugs, 2 7.4 bugs, 6 WRE bugs 17:54 <@preaction> vayde: oh god. okay. it should only be purging events with the same recurId. however i think what's happening is that the first time, the recurId is NULL, and it's still doing the purge (when it shouldn't) 17:54 <@BugSlasherMcGirk> good stats to have pdd 17:54 <@BugSlasherMcGirk> or pd 17:54 <@preaction> vayde: that should get you started though 17:55 <+perlDreamer> 13 bugs closed for 7.3.16 so far. 17:55 <@vayde> preaction: thanks man. I figured you might know the ballpark 17:55 <+perlDreamer> preaction is the Calendar Man. 17:55 <+BugSlasherMurray> bugslashermcgirk: my $rssCache = WebGUI::Cache::FileCache->new($self->session, undef, 'RSS'); would give me the RSS cache object right? 17:55 <+perlDreamer> It's similar to the Piano man, but Billy Joel already has that title. 17:55 <@vayde> and the date man, but I mean that in an entirely hetero way 17:57 <@BugSlasherMcGirk> yup 17:57 <@BugSlasherMcGirk> bsm: yup 17:59 <+perlDreamer> yung forgot to close a bug that he committed yesterday. 17:59 <+perlDreamer> so make that 34/2/6 17:59 <@vayde> one more down. 18:01 <+perlDreamer> I'd like to tackle the bobbob's wiki title bug. Could someone please make me a package of PB's wiki? 18:01 <@BugSlasherMcGirk> i'm doing it 18:01 <@BugSlasherMcGirk> it says so right in the bug 18:01 <+perlDreamer> sorry, I need to refresh more often. 18:02 <@vayde> Yeah, we've been meaning to say something to you... 18:05 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Leaving."] 18:08 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:09 <+BugSlasherMurray> ok 18:09 <+BugSlasherMurray> the rss bug is fixed 18:09 -!- steveswanson [n=chatzill@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 18:09 <+BugSlasherMurray> gotta go now though 18:10 <+BugSlasherMurray> i'll have to electron microscope in some cellar from 18.00 till 22.00 18:10 <@BugSlasherMcGirk> noooooooooooo!!!!! 18:10 <@BugSlasherMcGirk> we need you 18:10 <+BugSlasherMurray> I already fixed 7 bugs or so 18:10 -!- mode/#webgui [+o steveswanson] by ChanServ 18:10 <@BugSlasherMcGirk> and we need you to fix 34 more 18:10 * vayde uses the jedi mind trick "You don't have to go" 18:10 <+BugSlasherMurray> I've done my share =) 18:10 <@BugSlasherMcGirk> according to pd 18:10 -!- BugSlasherMurray is now known as FeebleMindedMart 18:11 * FeebleMindedMart says I don't have to go 18:11 * vayde waves his hand "You want to stay and fix more bugs" 18:11 <+FeebleMindedMart> Yeah 18:11 <+FeebleMindedMart> You want to stay and fix more bugs 18:13 <+FeebleMindedMart> bye 18:13 -!- FeebleMindedMart [n=martin@194.171.50.114] has left #webgui [] 18:22 <@vayde> never hand the errorHandler an array. The results are, interesting. 18:24 <@preaction> new SVN docs: https://www.plainblack.com/webguidev/docs/svn <- questions, comments? 18:26 <@vayde> nicely done --- Log closed Wed May 02 18:29:07 2007 --- Log opened Fri May 04 06:37:18 2007 06:37 -!- xdanger [i=xdanger@i.should.be.in.a.mentalhouse.net] has joined #webgui 06:37 -!- Irssi: #webgui: Total of 16 nicks [3 ops, 0 halfops, 4 voices, 9 normal] 06:37 -!- Irssi: Join to #webgui was synced in 3 secs 06:38 < xdanger> rizen: Are you busy? can I ask a quick question? 06:40 < xdanger> why $var->{"previous.url"} = $self->getUrl("func=previousThread") if (defined $previous); why not $var->{"previous.url"} = $previous->getUrl() if (defined $previous); in Thread.pm? 06:43 < xdanger> at some point someone removed "my $previous = $self->getPreviousThread;" in favor of the $self->getUrl("func=previousThread"), but now that It's back, why use that "ugly" and not the direct url to the next/prev Thread... 06:44 -!- besonen_mobile [n=besonen_@71-220-227-185.eugn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:44 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:44 -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 06:44 -!- besonen_mobile [n=besonen_@71-220-227-185.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #webgui 06:49 < xdanger> this: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/diff/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post/Thread.pm?rev1=1330;rev2=1331 is reversed by this: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/diff/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post/Thread.pm?rev1=4031;rev2=4032 06:56 -!- wgGuest13 [n=wgGuest1@66.60.27.92] has joined #webgui 07:00 < wgGuest13> Hi! 07:01 < wgGuest13> Anyone there? I can't find the lang packs... 07:05 < xdanger> you mean: http://i18n.webgui.org/ 07:11 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-140.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui 07:16 < wgGuest13> Thanks A LOT, xdanger! I was about to abandon WebGUI. It's great software but it costed a LOT to make it work under Debian and there is NO LINK from the main site to this one you have just given me... 07:16 < wgGuest13> Thanks again. 07:20 < wgGuest13> Sorry, but I found that most of the Spanish strings are untranslated, is this possible? 07:21 < xdanger> Maybe not enough userbase to maintain the translation... 07:26 < wgGuest13> Oops...! 07:28 < wgGuest13> I have to fill my comparison chart, and since cmsmatrix gives so many "greens" to WebGUI I thought that it had to be the best one! 07:29 < wgGuest13> But -1 for the terrible installation process... and definitely can't think of any big CMS that doesn't have ONE Spanish translator! 07:29 < wgGuest13> Of course, as you say... 07:29 < wgGuest13> maybe not enough userbase. 07:30 < wgGuest13> Thanks again! 07:42 -!- wgGuest13 [n=wgGuest1@66.60.27.92] has quit [] 08:14 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-140.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has quit [] 09:38 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 09:38 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 09:57 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 09:59 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 10:26 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@194.171.50.114] has joined #webgui 10:26 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ 10:40 -!- midellaq [n=midellaq@hermes.wseurope.com] has joined #webgui 10:59 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 11:27 -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:13 -!- xootom [n=tom@195.224.29.66] has joined #webgui 14:09 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:44 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@246.sub-75-207-143.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI 15:44 < SDuensin> Good morning. 16:11 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 16:11 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 16:20 -!- perlmonkey1 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 16:34 <+MrHairgrease> hi 16:34 <+MrHairgrease> I'm trying to figure out how to do the following 16:34 < SDuensin> Hi MrHairgrease 16:36 <+MrHairgrease> I want to enable exportHtml in the SQLForm such that the complete table of records will be exported, but also make that clickable to the views of each record. These should of course get their own html file 16:36 <+MrHairgrease> I'm having trouble finding a hook to do that 16:36 <@rizen> it can't be done 16:36 <@rizen> the export function is a 1:1 asset per page 16:37 <+MrHairgrease> if i could acces the path/file where the main page is being written 16:37 <+MrHairgrease> i think i can 16:37 <@rizen> but you can't 16:37 <@rizen> at least not the way it's written right now 16:38 <@rizen> that's what i'm saying 16:38 <+MrHairgrease> hmm 16:38 <+MrHairgrease> ok 16:38 <+MrHairgrease> too bad 16:39 <@rizen> not saying you couldn't change the exports system to support that 16:40 <+MrHairgrease> i only need the pathWithFilename var to be passed to exportHtml_view 16:40 <+MrHairgrease> from there on I can come up with my own paths 16:40 <+MrHairgrease> use id->generate to make them unique 16:41 <+MrHairgrease> or just take the redcordIds 16:45 <+MrHairgrease> Is there a way to get the filename/path from an opened file handle? 16:45 <@rizen> maybe, but i don't know it if there is 16:45 <@rizen> i'd think there's got to be a way though 16:45 <+MrHairgrease> the Filehandle docs don't mention it 16:57 <+MrHairgrease> crap 16:57 <+MrHairgrease> it is not possible 17:12 <@rizen> crythias, how is it that you are crythias and SuckyMcSuckerton? 17:12 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has joined #webgui 17:12 -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ 17:20 <+Radix_> how is he both normal and sucky at the same time you mean? ;) 17:20 <+MrHairgrease> that's easy 17:20 <@rizen> yup 17:20 <+MrHairgrease> but how are both voiced? 17:20 <@rizen> that too 17:21 <+Radix_> accounts linked 17:21 <+Radix_> I do the same with my home and work account 17:22 <+Radix_> I just have the second alias linked to the first name so I get voice on both 17:22 <+MrHairgrease> sound way to difficult for friday 17:22 <+Radix_> I think preaction told me the command to do it, but do it once and voila 17:23 <+Radix_> just need to have the two nicks registered that's all 17:26 -!- midellaq [n=midellaq@hermes.wseurope.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:49 -!- midellaq [n=midellaq@hermes.wseurope.com] has joined #webgui 17:49 -!- perlmonkey1 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 17:50 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 17:59 <@vayde> I've been dying to ask: How do you guys switch your names? 17:59 -!- MrHairgrease is now known as wellLikeThis 17:59 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 17:59 <+wellLikeThis> use /nick newNick 17:59 -!- wellLikeThis is now known as MrHairgrease 18:00 <@vayde> cool 18:00 <@vayde> thanks 18:00 * vayde promises to use his new powers only for good 18:03 < pjesi> :) 18:05 < pjesi> why should one want to change his nick? 18:08 < ckotil> to hide. 18:08 < pjesi> true 18:10 <+MrHairgrease> rizen 18:10 <+MrHairgrease> is there a reason WebGUI.pm is still at version 7.3.16 in svn 18:11 <+MrHairgrease> and there isn't a 7.3.17 section in the changelog yet? --- Log closed Fri May 04 18:11:20 2007 --- Log opened Fri May 04 18:21:23 2007 18:21 -!- xdanger [i=xdanger@i.should.be.in.a.mentalhouse.net] has joined #webgui 18:21 -!- Irssi: #webgui: Total of 22 nicks [5 ops, 0 halfops, 4 voices, 13 normal] 18:21 -!- Irssi: Join to #webgui was synced in 3 secs 18:23 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@194.171.50.114] has left #webgui [] --- Log closed Fri May 04 18:26:11 2007 --- Log opened Fri May 04 18:31:23 2007 18:31 -!- xdanger [i=xdanger@i.should.be.in.a.mentalhouse.net] has joined #webgui 18:31 -!- Irssi: #webgui: Total of 21 nicks [5 ops, 0 halfops, 3 voices, 13 normal] 18:31 -!- Irssi: Join to #webgui was synced in 3 secs 18:45 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:45 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 18:45 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 19:01 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@246.sub-75-207-143.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:07 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@117.sub-75-207-75.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI 19:19 -!- xootom [n=tom@195.224.29.66] has left #webgui [] 19:22 -!- midellaq [n=midellaq@hermes.wseurope.com] has left #webgui [] 19:36 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has left #webgui [] 20:00 < xdanger> rizen: did you notice my message earlier? 20:13 <@preaction> didn't perlDreamer say he was building a javascript app for the TinyMCE that will allow for WYSIWYG template editing? or was that just an idea? 20:17 <@preaction> something about grabbing the available template variables from the Help files 20:26 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:09 <+crythias> hee 22:09 <+crythias> soory 22:09 <+crythias> sorry, even, but yeah, home/work 23:34 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat054.mxim.com] has joined #webgui 23:34 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 23:34 <+perlDreamer> Hail, hail! The gang's all here. 23:50 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@117.sub-75-207-75.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] --- Log closed Sat May 05 00:10:00 2007 --- Log opened Sat May 05 00:32:07 2007 00:32 -!- xdanger [i=xdanger@i.should.be.in.a.mentalhouse.net] has joined #webgui 00:32 -!- Irssi: #webgui: Total of 17 nicks [4 ops, 0 halfops, 4 voices, 9 normal] 00:32 -!- Irssi: Join to #webgui was synced in 3 secs 00:54 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:55 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat054.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 00:56 < cap10morgan> ok, i've got that working. it was a pretty simple change to the post asset 00:56 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has joined #webgui 00:57 -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ 00:57 < cap10morgan> i'll post it as a contribution 00:57 < cap10morgan> if you make a change you'd like included in the next possible release, is it better to post it as a contribution or an RFE w/ an attachment? 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Anybody use WebGUI with that many before? 16:21 < SDuensin> It can do it. Question is, can your server? 16:22 < sneex> my server is hosting Tomcat with 500 sites now -- I just cant stand java \= 16:22 < SDuensin> hehe 16:22 < sneex> would I need a separate config for each site ? 16:23 < SDuensin> Config files, yes. But only one WebGUI install. 16:23 < sneex> ok 16:24 < sneex> i just dont want 500 mod_perl processes going -- otherwise I would stick with java =( 16:25 < SDuensin> Nope. They all run from one set of servers. 16:26 < sneex> thanks, Imma go play with it some -- I might be back =) 16:27 < pjesi> migrate 500 sites, that might take some time :) 16:27 < sneex> anything has got to be better than what Im doing now lol 16:31 * SDuensin sees a lot of work in sneex's future. 16:32 < AMH_bob> what's the record on running multiple sites on one server? And who is the holder? 16:33 < sneex> the thing is - the content isn't managed by the cms -- it just makes it available for some minor edits -- most of the issue is access and viewing of multimedia, etc. 16:34 < sneex> I would almost just use PHP and Dokuwiki \= almost 16:40 <+Radix_> I'd say plainblack probably has the most multiple sites 16:40 <+Radix_> I've heard their demo server has quite a few going at once 16:44 < SDuensin> Yea. Try it out. Create 500 demos. :-) 16:45 < pjesi> lol 16:46 < pjesi> it is more about using them I think 16:47 < sneex> i really am more interested in a managed web interface to access/view the multimedia files we host for clients, etc. Less to a degree about making a site "editable" by clients. 17:03 -!- sneex [n=wgGuest9@unaffiliated/sneex] has quit [] 17:07 -!- wgGuest59 [n=wgGuest5@mail.nichedirectoriesllc.com] has joined #webgui 17:08 -!- wgGuest59 [n=wgGuest5@mail.nichedirectoriesllc.com] has quit [Client Quit] 17:13 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has left #webgui [] 17:16 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has joined #webgui 17:16 -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ 17:17 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 17:53 < pjesi> is 7.3.16 working smoothly? 17:54 <@vayde> I haven't heard anything otherwise. 17:54 <@vayde> Are you having trouble? 17:55 < pjesi> no I am just preparing an upgrade :) 17:55 < pjesi> from 7.3.12 18:19 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat054.mxim.com] has joined #webgui 18:19 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 18:19 <+perlDreamer> preaction: are you here? 18:20 <@preaction> yes 18:20 <+perlDreamer> Have you read the new Storage code for case insensitive filesystems? 18:20 <@preaction> nope 18:20 <+perlDreamer> There's something about it I don't get. 18:21 <+perlDreamer> It takes a GUID, turns it into hex, and then stores it in a lookup table in the db. 18:21 <+perlDreamer> I don't get why you can't just regenerate the hex each time 18:21 <+perlDreamer> it would save a db lookup 18:22 <@preaction> what about legacy storage locations based on GUID? 18:22 <+perlDreamer> any ideas? 18:23 <+perlDreamer> they're already messed up. 18:23 <@preaction> was concluded they couldn't be fixed because of the overlap possibility, can't translate them 18:24 <@preaction> so what storage locations are using GUIDs and what ones are using Hex? 18:24 <+perlDreamer> it depends on the config settings now 18:24 <@preaction> no, the answer to my question is the database table 18:24 <+perlDreamer> hm 18:25 <+perlDreamer> I guess that does make sense. 18:25 <@preaction> technically it doesn't have to store the hex, but (for now) there has to be some way to keep track of old, GUID storage folders, and new hex storage folders 18:26 <+perlDreamer> Do you think that eventually all file locations will start using the hex? 18:26 <@preaction> but for each GUID there can only be one hex folder, no? so if that hex folder doesn't exist when ->get, try to get the GUID folder, no? 18:27 <@preaction> hum. anyway 18:28 <+perlDreamer> I would have thought that it would auto detect the OS, do a case check, then translate all GUIDs to hex as appropriate. 18:28 <+perlDreamer> But that would totally break packages across platforms. 18:28 <+perlDreamer> It may break them anyway... 18:28 <@preaction> couldn't auto-detect, the consensus was there is no reliable way to do it 18:29 <@preaction> one windows is "WinNT", one is "Win32" one is "MSWin32" etc... 19:16 -!- SuckyMcSuckerton [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:20 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 19:20 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 20:16 -!- khenn [n=khenn@66-190-54-175.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #WebGUI 20:16 -!- mode/#webgui [+o khenn] by ChanServ 20:34 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 23:11 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat054.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 23:41 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@22.sub-75-205-236.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] --- Day changed Tue May 08 2007 00:47 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit ["Leaving."] 01:44 -!- Haaarg [n=haarg@24-177-123-127.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 01:44 -!- mode/#webgui [+o Haaarg] by ChanServ 01:46 -!- Haaarg [n=haarg@24-177-123-127.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:53 -!- Haarg [n=haarg@24-177-123-127.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:03 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 03:08 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:08 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 04:14 <+Radix-wrk> mornin' 04:35 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:07 -!- vayde [n=vayde@208-110-227-255.usfamily.net] has joined #webgui 05:07 -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ 05:31 -!- vayde [n=vayde@208-110-227-255.usfamily.net] has quit ["Exit- stage left"] 09:27 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 10:23 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 11:01 -!- midellaq [n=midellaq@hermes.wseurope.com] has joined #webgui 11:14 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:47 < pjesi> morning 12:07 < pjesi> is the update script needed to move from 7.3.12 to .16? 12:43 -!- xootom [n=tom@195.224.29.66] has joined #webgui 14:07 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:07 < AMH_bob> http://www.plainblack.com/upgrading_webgui is a good starting point... 15:07 < AMH_bob> @pjesi: http://www.plainblack.com/upgrading_webgui 15:11 < pjesi> AMH_bob: yes but since I currently do not have access to root it is impossible to run the script 15:12 < AMH_bob> auwie, that changes things... I wonder if upgrading is advisable... 15:13 < pjesi> perhaps not 16:08 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@101.sub-75-205-26.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI 16:08 < SDuensin> Good morning. 16:19 < pjesi> afternoon 16:20 < SDuensin> Hi pjesi 16:20 < pjesi> hi 16:29 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 16:29 -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ 16:30 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@ip70-189-104-178.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 16:54 < pjesi> SDuensin: how is your desktop idea going? 16:55 < SDuensin> Very well, thanks! 16:55 < pjesi> great news! 16:55 < SDuensin> I'm trying to get things packaged up and documented to push a new build out. 16:59 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has joined #webgui 16:59 -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ 17:00 < pjesi> SDuensin: cool, are you going to publish it on pb.com? 17:01 < SDuensin> Well, the desktop I've been working on isn't appropriate for wG. However, I've been reading and thinking about one that would be. Not had time to write any code for it though. 18:03 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Leaving."] 18:03 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 18:51 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:56 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@ip70-189-104-178.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 19:20 -!- midellaq [n=midellaq@hermes.wseurope.com] has left #webgui [] 19:22 <@preaction> is the "Copy" clipboard action supposed to do a deep copy of an asset and all its children? or just the asset itself? 19:30 < pjesi> I think it is supposed to be a deep copy but it doesnt always do that 19:32 <@preaction> i think "Cut" does a deep copy, but "Copy" doesn't for some reason 19:34 < pjesi> true 19:34 < pjesi> I don't remeber how I went around it though 19:39 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 19:39 -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ 19:48 -!- xootom [n=tom@195.224.29.66] has left #webgui [] 21:49 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui 21:49 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ 22:28 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@ip70-189-104-178.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 23:53 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@101.sub-75-205-26.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] --- Day changed Wed May 09 2007 02:23 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 02:24 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] 03:05 -!- besonen_mobile [n=besonen_@71-220-227-185.eugn.qwest.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:14 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:14 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 04:46 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has quit ["Exit- stage left"] 04:46 -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has joined #webgui 04:46 * PedersenMJ waves. 04:52 <+Radix-wrk> Morning PedersenMJ 04:53 < PedersenMJ> how goes it? 04:53 <+Radix-wrk> not too bad 04:53 <+Radix-wrk> yourself? :) 04:54 < PedersenMJ> doing okay. busy as a one armed paper hanger in a windstorm, though. 04:56 <+Radix-wrk> Hmm.. I like the new RFE changes - difficulty and karma so far added to all RFE's 04:57 <+Radix-wrk> this sucks tho: 04:57 <+Radix-wrk> Difficulty: 30 04:57 <+Radix-wrk> Karma So Far: 3742 04:57 <+Radix-wrk> Karma Rank: 124.733330 04:59 * PedersenMJ has to admit to not even visiting pb in a while. Been frustrating with how much I've got to get done at work and at home. 07:10 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@ip70-189-104-178.ok.ok.cox.net] has left #webgui [] 07:49 -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has quit [] 08:20 -!- diakopter is now known as TsantsasBiter 08:20 -!- TsantsasBiter is now known as diakopter 09:42 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 10:25 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 11:25 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:31 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 11:33 -!- midellaq [n=midellaq@hermes.wseurope.com] has joined #webgui 11:52 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 12:31 -!- besonen_mobile [n=besonen_@71-220-227-185.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #webgui 14:08 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:47 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@180.sub-75-207-169.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI 15:50 < SDuensin> Good morning! 16:09 < AMH_bob> Howdy! 16:09 < SDuensin> Hey AMH_bob 16:10 < AMH_bob> How are things? 16:11 < SDuensin> So far, so good. Just getting started though. 16:12 < AMH_bob> Haha, and I'm almost on my last coffee break! And the nightshifts are running really smooth (Knock on wood). 16:15 < SDuensin> :-P 16:52 <@rizen> radix is a complainer 16:56 < SDuensin> Hey rizen 16:56 <@rizen> how goes it sd 16:57 < SDuensin> Pretty good. You? 16:59 <@rizen> pretty good, just very busy 16:59 < SDuensin> I hear ya. Working on a new release of ZKDesktop here. Lots of loose ends to tie up. 17:01 <@rizen> good luck with that...release time can be quite hecktic 17:01 <@rizen> got a new release of webgui to put out today too 17:04 < SDuensin> Sweet. 17:04 * SDuensin needs to update to 7.3.16 yet! 17:08 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 17:18 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has joined #webgui 17:18 -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ 17:34 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has quit ["Exit- stage left"] 17:35 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has joined #webgui 17:35 -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ 17:40 <@rizen> howdy perlmonkey2 17:41 <@rizen> how's the new survey coming? 17:44 < perlmonkey2> slow :( June 1st I'll either have plenty of time to work on it as things wrap up, or I'll have all my time to work on it if I don't wrap things up 17:44 < perlmonkey2> on my job. 17:46 <@rizen> yikes 17:47 < perlmonkey2> Not that bad in reality, but I'm working night and day to get this project wrapped up. Actually if this week goes well, *my* part of the project will be mostly wrapped up and I can start doing something more fun (like your survey) 17:49 <@rizen> *our* survey 17:49 <@rizen> we're a community 18:00 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Leaving."] 18:11 -!- midellaq [n=midellaq@hermes.wseurope.com] has left #webgui [] 18:12 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 18:34 <@rizen> Radix_ you around? 19:22 -!- rizen is now known as [ 19:22 -!- [ is now known as rizen 19:22 -!- rizen changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.3.17 | WRE 0.7.2 ] 21:17 -!- dionak [n=dkidd@adsl-072-149-129-114.sip.clt.bellsouth.net] has joined #webgui 21:26 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 21:26 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 21:48 -!- khenn [n=khenn@66-190-54-175.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has left #WebGUI [] 23:19 -!- rjacobsen [n=rjacobse@74-129-192-43.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #webgui 23:20 < rjacobsen> i am trying to use the ^Include("/this/file.html"); macro and for some reason i keep getting "INCLUDED FILE DOES NOT EXIST"....... is there a trick to this macro? 23:21 <@rizen> are you using the full path to the file? 23:21 <@rizen> and does your web server have the rights to read the file? 23:21 < rjacobsen> we placed the file in the /images folder in the webgui installation where we call images from and such 23:22 < rjacobsen> so the actuall src directory is /images/docs/2.html 23:22 < rjacobsen> and for some reason it is not seeing the file 23:25 <@rizen> not relative to your web root 23:25 <@rizen> relative to your server root 23:26 < rjacobsen> ok so how do i figure the directory if i have it in the images folder? 23:26 <@rizen> like /data/domains/www.example.com/public/images/some/path/to/file.html 23:26 <@rizen> is this a real folder or a webgui folder? 23:26 <@rizen> real folder being a folder on the server filesystem 23:27 < rjacobsen> it is the main images folder of webgui that we use for web pages 23:27 <@rizen> let me try this again...do you access the folder through the webgui asset manager, or through an FTP account? 23:28 < rjacobsen> thru ftp sorry 23:28 < rjacobsen> it is web based 23:28 <@rizen> then you should be able to see the full path when you log in through ftp 23:28 <@rizen> if you can't, then ask your hosting provider 23:35 < rjacobsen> ok here is our layout..... we have a main folder we use for all our hosted websites call common.... the images folder is inside this folder.... /data/domains/common/images/docs/2.html is the actual directory all the way to root...... 23:35 < rjacobsen> i dont think there is any way to access this file from a browser 23:36 <@rizen> you don't need to access it from a browser 23:36 <@rizen> that's what Include is for 23:36 < rjacobsen> right 23:36 <@rizen> put in the full path ^Include(/data/domains/common/images/docs/2.html); 23:36 < rjacobsen> so how do i make this work? 23:36 < rjacobsen> i tried that 23:37 < rjacobsen> and it still comes up with the INCLUDED FILE DOES NOT EXIST 23:37 <@rizen> if that path is correct, and the permissions are set such that the web server can read the file and folders that lead up to it, then it will work 23:42 -!- rjacobsen [n=rjacobse@74-129-192-43.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit ["User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby"] --- Day changed Thu May 10 2007 00:01 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@180.sub-75-207-169.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:17 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has left #webgui [] 00:54 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has left #webgui [] 01:00 -!- dionak [n=dkidd@adsl-072-149-129-114.sip.clt.bellsouth.net] has quit [] 01:53 <+Radix_> rizen: wassup? 02:00 -!- dionak [n=dkidd@cpe-024-074-157-216.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 02:34 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 03:22 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 03:33 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has quit ["Exit- stage left"] 03:39 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@formsys.com] has joined #webgui 03:39 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 04:13 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] 04:19 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 04:19 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 04:29 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] 04:31 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 04:31 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 05:13 -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has joined #webgui 05:13 < PedersenMJ> Good evening. 05:17 <+Radix-wrk> yo 05:19 < PedersenMJ> How's it going? 05:20 <+Radix-wrk> same as yesterday :) 05:21 * PedersenMJ is somewhat better, as I just got the care package from pb today :) 05:21 <+Radix-wrk> Ahh k.. cool 05:22 <+Radix-wrk> mine will prolly take a while to get here I suspect ;) 05:23 < PedersenMJ> Nah, I'm sure it's already on your back porch, awaiting you ;) 05:23 <+Radix-wrk> overseas delivery tho remember :) 05:25 < PedersenMJ> hence the ;) 05:25 < PedersenMJ> Honestly, I think you'll be lucky to get it within a week or two. 05:25 < PedersenMJ> Gotta say, though, that JT came through on the Content Manager's Guide nicely. Looks good. 05:26 <@preaction> content manager's guide was kristie 05:26 <@preaction> (bopbop on IRC) 05:26 <+Radix-wrk> Oh? you got a copy of that in your schwag bag? 05:27 <+Radix-wrk> Hmm.. I just ordered a copy for the office - will prolly get two copies now if that's the case :) 05:27 < PedersenMJ> Actually, had JT take money out of winnings to order it. 05:28 <+Radix-wrk> Ahh k.. cool 05:31 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@formsys.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:31 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 05:31 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 05:42 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] 07:05 -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has quit [] 09:50 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 10:07 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 10:44 -!- SDuensin_ [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 10:49 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:02 -!- diakopter [i=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 11:49 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:39 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 12:39 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 14:03 -!- SDuensin_ [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:13 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@149.sub-75-206-28.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI 16:18 < SDuensin> Good morning! 16:39 -!- mawe [n=mawe@boo.dfn-cert.de] has joined #webgui 16:40 < mawe> hi all. is there an easy way to remove parts of webgui from the installation so that they don't show up anywhere? i won't ever need the product stuff for example and would like to get rid of it, even in the admin interface. 16:41 < SDuensin> Hi mawe. I don't know the answer to that one. Hang out for about an hour and more people will be here. 16:41 < mawe> ok, thanks! 16:42 < SDuensin> Anytime. :-) 16:43 < mawe> ah... i see it's hardcoded in AdminConsole.pm. hm.... 16:44 < xdanger> mawe: you can adjust the UI level, and remove assets in the config file... 16:45 < mawe> yes, that's for the "normal" users. but in the admin section all those things still show up. 16:48 < SDuensin> "Normal users"? You mean morons? 16:50 < mawe> ... no, normal as in "not admin" 16:51 < SDuensin> :-) 17:01 <+Radix_> mawe: you can remove assets in your webgui config file 17:01 < mawe> Radix_: yes, i know. but that doesn't affect the admin menu 17:01 < mawe> i think i found a solution. i edit the admin menu template and filter out all entries i don't want 17:01 <+Radix_> yeah, that'd work 17:02 -!- midellaq [n=midellaq@hermes.wseurope.com] has joined #webgui 17:18 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has joined #webgui 17:18 -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ 17:18 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 17:21 < perlmonkey2> If anyone ever needs help with for Java to speak RPC::XML to Perl, just let me know. 17:21 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 17:21 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 17:27 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:02 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 18:02 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 18:03 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 18:04 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Leaving."] 18:24 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@wlan-145-94-245-67.wlan.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui 18:24 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ 18:33 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@wlan-145-94-245-67.wlan.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] 18:56 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has quit ["Exit- stage left"] 19:07 -!- mawe [n=mawe@boo.dfn-cert.de] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:29 -!- midellaq [n=midellaq@hermes.wseurope.com] has left #webgui [] 19:31 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has joined #webgui 19:31 -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ 19:48 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui 19:48 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ 19:48 -!- dionak [n=dkidd@cpe-024-074-157-216.carolina.res.rr.com] has left #webgui [] 20:49 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 20:49 -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ 22:17 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has left #webgui [] 23:11 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:13 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has joined #webgui 23:13 -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ 23:46 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has left #webgui [] 23:55 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@149.sub-75-206-28.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] --- Day changed Fri May 11 2007 01:03 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has quit ["Exit- stage left"] 01:10 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has joined #webgui 01:10 -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ 01:11 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has quit [Client Quit] 01:12 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has joined #webgui 01:12 -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ 02:09 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 02:11 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] 02:42 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:35 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has joined #webgui 03:36 < cap10morgan> It looks like MySQL 5.0.41 has a bug that affects WebGUI pretty badly 03:36 < cap10morgan> from my initial testing, it seems to not honor the binary flag on varchar fields 03:36 < cap10morgan> which obviously makes assetId's get screwed up 03:37 < cap10morgan> reverting to 5.0.37 fixed it 03:37 < cap10morgan> w/ no (apparent) data loss 03:37 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has quit [Client Quit] 04:22 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 04:23 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 04:29 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 04:39 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has quit ["Exit- stage left"] 04:54 <+Radix-wrk> mornin' 05:00 <@rizen> howdy 05:00 < SDuensin> Hi gang. 05:06 <+Radix-wrk> rizen: you asked for me the other day? 05:07 <@rizen> yeah, i wanted to know if you'd do some jail time for me 05:07 <@rizen> judge said he'd let me off if i could find some sucker...er good person to take the time for me 05:08 <+Radix-wrk> Ahh.. surprised you're not keen on it in the hope you could spend time with Paris Hilton. 05:08 <@rizen> i would except that in the US men and women aren't jailed together 05:08 <@rizen> actually 05:08 <@rizen> i was asking you why you were complaining 05:08 <@rizen> about the new features on the RFE list 05:09 <+Radix-wrk> I wasn't - I think the new RFE stuff is great :) 05:09 <+Radix-wrk> I was just whinging about how high that particular RFE was because I wanted it ;) 05:10 <+Radix-wrk> Difficulty of 30 05:10 <@rizen> some things take more time 05:10 <@rizen> if it's worth it 05:10 <@rizen> and people want it 05:10 <@rizen> it will still get enough karma 05:10 <@rizen> there are some things that have a difficulty of 100 or more 05:11 <+Radix-wrk> Hmm.. nice idea, not sure if it will work that way in practice tho 05:11 <+Radix-wrk> What I suspect is that most ppl don't read through the pages and pages of RFE's and simply put their own separately 05:11 <@rizen> well at some point we'll run out of low level stuff to do 05:12 <@rizen> that's true 05:12 <@rizen> however, there's nothing i can do about people being too lazy 05:12 <@rizen> unless you have some remedy for that 05:12 <+Radix-wrk> I don't know any way to improve that either really 05:12 <@rizen> oh, and i'm about to add a feature that may help to some extent 05:13 <@rizen> i'll be listing the top 100 karma whores 05:13 <+Radix-wrk> lol 05:13 <@rizen> then you can contact those people and ask them to add their karma to your event 05:13 <@rizen> sorry, rfe, not event 05:13 <+Radix-wrk> I'll probably be one of them atm actually ;) 05:13 <+Radix-wrk> thanks to my community contest entries :) 05:13 <@rizen> i think the top person has something like 14k karma 05:14 <@rizen> but yeah, you should be in the top 100 for sure 05:14 <+Radix-wrk> I have 8k atm, and two entries in the style contest 05:15 <+Radix-wrk> So worse case scenario I get 2nd and 3rd and should get another 7.5k karma :) 05:15 <@rizen> see...you have all the karma you need then to bump stuff to the top 05:16 <+Radix-wrk> I know.. but I've already poured over 3k karma in that one and it's only up to 124 05:17 <@rizen> it's all about how bad you want it 05:19 <@rizen> i take it back 05:19 <@rizen> the highest has 21k 05:19 <@rizen> martin kamerbeek 05:19 <@rizen> colin kuskie is next with 19k 05:19 <+Radix-wrk> Ahh.. good to see :) 05:21 <+Radix-wrk> How's the other WebGUI books coming along btw? 05:21 <+Radix-wrk> I just ordered a copy of the Content Managers Guide for the office here, but keen on the other two when they're out too :) 05:21 <@rizen> slow 05:21 <@rizen> the admins guide is going the slowest 05:21 <@rizen> cuz it has prereqs 05:21 <@rizen> i have to get the new wre built 05:21 <@rizen> in order to write the book 05:22 <+Radix-wrk> Ahh k 05:22 <@rizen> the design one is more than half finished 05:22 <@rizen> so that one will be out next 05:22 <@rizen> probably in june 05:22 <+Radix-wrk> Sweet 05:22 <@rizen> the admins guide is more than 1/3 done 05:22 <@rizen> but several of the biggest chapters deal with the wre 05:22 <@rizen> and i don't want to document the old wre 05:23 <@rizen> or rather, i don't want to document both the old and the new 05:23 <+Radix-wrk> The admins guide - will that cover using the webgui api at all? 05:23 <@rizen> so that's why i have to get the new one done 05:23 <@rizen> no 05:23 <@rizen> admins is all about sys admin stuff 05:23 <@rizen> which is mostly performance, security, and troubleshooting 05:23 <+Radix-wrk> okey, so apache/mysql/wre stuff 05:23 <@rizen> and webgui config stuff 05:24 <+Radix-wrk> fair enough 05:24 <@rizen> i've been debating whether we should write a dev book 05:24 <+Radix-wrk> and designers guide is more template manipulation stuff? 05:24 <@rizen> yup, design guide is all about templates, css, html, and javascript 05:24 <@rizen> and mostly templates and css 05:25 <+Radix-wrk> cool 05:25 <+Radix-wrk> Well I'd be interested in a dev book, but yeah, don't know how many others will 05:26 <@rizen> we already publish a lot of dev stuff on the site 05:26 <@rizen> though i realize it's not very well organized 05:27 <+Radix-wrk> I've actually got my sabbatical planned around WebGUI - and hope to throw myself in the deep end and spend some time learning the API and how to program in perl 05:27 <+Radix-wrk> Heading off to Europe in August and going to spend a couple of weeks with Oqapi 05:28 <@rizen> the other thing is, that i'm not very fond of selling stuff to developers...i'd rather give it to them for free 05:28 <@rizen> but if we put out a book 05:28 <@rizen> we need to charge for it 05:28 <@rizen> it's one of those crazy cycles 05:28 <@rizen> your sabbatical sounds great 05:28 <@rizen> the guys at Oqapi are awesome 05:29 <+Radix-wrk> Yeah, flight is booked, accomodation organised - and of course I get to spend a bit of time in Europe after that travelling around, so will be a launchpad for that 05:30 <+Radix-wrk> I'm pretty excited about the trip 05:45 < xdanger> rizen: would you have some time for a dev question? 05:45 <@rizen> phone 05:47 < xdanger> I have a custom asset that has a checkList in definitions %properties hash... and I would like to attach a "Manage" link to it (like on templates) and can't find a way to hook it... 05:57 <@rizen> ok, i'm off the phone 05:58 <@rizen> radix: http://www.plainblack.com/wg/karma 05:58 <@rizen> xdanger, that's easy 05:58 <@rizen> do you know how to use the $session->icon api? 05:58 <@rizen> if you do 05:58 <@rizen> then you just pass your manage icon 05:58 <@rizen> into the subtext parameter 05:59 <@rizen> of your form field 05:59 < xdanger> ok, had missed the subtext param... 06:00 < xdanger> I have a few hundred workflows running whit the status "undefined" what does that mean? 06:01 <@rizen> where did you see that "status" ? 06:02 < xdanger> perl spectre.pl --status 06:02 < xdanger> it has last state 06:03 < xdanger> and in the "show running workflows" section 06:03 <@rizen> hmm that's not good 06:03 <@rizen> that most likely means that those workflows are crashing when they try to execuute 06:03 <@rizen> plus, you should never have a few hundred workflows 06:03 <@rizen> even on our busiest servers, that have almost 100 sites 06:04 <@rizen> we never have more than 50 or so workflows waiting around to be executed 06:04 < xdanger> Hmm.. it has one for every 5min for the last month or more... 06:05 < xdanger> strange that it doesn't hapen on other sites on the same server 06:05 <@rizen> it's likely some sort of config issue then 06:05 <@rizen> with spectre running 06:05 <@rizen> what happens when you do 06:05 <@rizen> perl spectre.pl --test 06:06 < xdanger> testing.... tests completed. 06:06 < xdanger> I have this in webgui.log: 2007/05/11 05:55:56 - ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1013] - WORKFLOW: Something bad happened on the return of IsDtpNfe7cvKvjJy9WRwNQ. 06:06 <@rizen> there you go then 06:06 <@rizen> increase your log level 06:06 <@rizen> to INFO 06:06 <@rizen> and it will likely tell you what happenedd 06:08 < xdanger> ctre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1013] - ADMIN: Couldn't fetch Spectre configuration data for webgui... 06:08 < xdanger> ok, so something wrong with the config =) 06:08 <@rizen> what version of webgui are you running? 06:09 < xdanger> just upgraded to latest 06:09 <@rizen> and you restarted both spectre and modperl after the upgrade was complete? 06:09 < xdanger> many times =) 06:09 <@rizen> ok then, don't know what to tell you 06:09 < xdanger> and this was happening before I belive... 06:10 <@rizen> you'll have to troubleshoot why it can't read the config data 06:10 <@rizen> from your server, you could try: 06:10 < xdanger> could it be some parameter missing? 06:10 <@rizen> curl http://www.site.com?op=spectreGetSiteData 06:11 <@rizen> and see if it returns a valid JSON document 06:13 < xdanger> html 06:13 <@rizen> then you need to discover why that's happening 06:13 <@rizen> and fix it 06:13 <@rizen> sorry i can't be more specific 06:16 < xdanger> main::[[undef]] - Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::Spectre::www_spectreGetSiteData. Root cause: Can't call method "get" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Spectre.pm line 53. 06:25 <@rizen> two problems there 06:25 <@rizen> 1) you have a corrupt workflow in your WorkflowInstance table 06:26 <@rizen> 2) there is a bug in WebGUI::Operation::Spectre, in that it's not handling your corrupt data more gracefully 06:33 < xdanger> My fault... 06:34 < xdanger> I had now added the right Workflow that I was refering to =) 06:36 < xdanger> s/now/not/ 06:42 < xdanger> Is there a workflow waiting timeout? for commitWithApproval 06:43 < xdanger> How long it waits for approval? does it clean up at some point? 06:44 <@rizen> it waits forever 06:44 <@rizen> until someone either approves or denies it 06:45 < xdanger> My user has Already cluttered her inbox and has approved newer autotags.. 06:46 < xdanger> There's not a function tu approve pending versions in admin console? 06:47 <@rizen> no..only approvers can approve them 06:47 <@rizen> and they get them in their inbox 06:47 <@rizen> and pending stuff is always at the top of the inbox 06:48 < xdanger> I just don't like that the end user gets a mail about every approval... We have a cs that users can edit, and some of them manage to edit multiple times before admin has time to approve... 06:48 < xdanger> Suspended Workflows 57 06:49 < xdanger> all same site waiting... 06:50 <@rizen> xd, i'm not an rfe list, if you want something to work differently, submit it to the rfe list not to me 06:50 < xdanger> =) 06:50 < xdanger> I'm just thinking aloud... 06:51 <@rizen> in any case...i'm done for th enight...ttyl 06:53 < xdanger> I think I'm done for the night, and the mornign... 06:53 < xdanger> I hate upgrade nights =) 06:53 < xdanger> the always strech to the morning 08:19 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] 08:21 < nuba> heh ain't that soo true! 08:22 < nuba> famous last words: "just a sec, boss, this upgrade will be a snap!.." 08:23 < nuba> and then "whoops!" 09:09 -!- pjesi_ [n=pjesi@perl.is] has joined #webgui 09:11 -!- pjesi [i=pjesi@perl.is] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:44 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 09:49 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 11:51 -!- Teonnyn^ [i=Teonnyn@cpe-24-165-56-73.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 11:51 < Teonnyn^> Heya 11:54 < Teonnyn^> Is anyone awake? 12:03 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:38 -!- midellaq [n=midellaq@hermes.wseurope.com] has joined #webgui 12:44 < Teonnyn^> heya 12:48 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 12:48 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 13:23 -!- Teonnyn^ [i=Teonnyn@cpe-24-165-56-73.hawaii.res.rr.com] has left #webgui [] 13:43 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@194.171.50.114] has joined #webgui 13:43 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ 14:07 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:37 < AMH_bob> Hello 14:45 <+MrHairgrease> hi 14:51 < AMH_bob> I jumped in too soon... A "Teonnyn" was here earlier, looking for help. Unfortunatly he/she left before I responded. 14:51 < AMH_bob> But Hi to you too! 15:52 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users, it has hostages."] 15:59 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@235.sub-75-204-31.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI 16:06 < SDuensin> Good morning. 16:06 <+MrHairgrease> hi 16:08 < SDuensin> Howdy. 16:46 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 16:46 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix_] by ChanServ 16:48 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 17:00 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has joined #webgui 17:00 -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ 17:26 -!- xootom [n=tom@195.224.29.66] has joined #webgui 18:07 -!- pjesi_ is now known as pjesi 18:16 -!- xootom [n=tom@195.224.29.66] has left #webgui [] 18:18 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 18:21 -!- midellaq [n=midellaq@hermes.wseurope.com] has left #webgui [] 18:21 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users, it has hostages."] 18:21 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Leaving."] 18:31 < SDuensin> Hey rizen - I shipped a demo of the ZK Desktop that doesn't take a PHD in Eclipse to install if you still want to play with it. http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=694810 18:31 <@rizen> i hate you want want you to die 18:32 < SDuensin> Gee, is that a way to talk to your #1 wG fan? 18:32 < SDuensin> :-P 18:32 <@rizen> oh, did i say that outloud 18:32 <@rizen> =) 18:33 <@rizen> i'll take a look at some point. unfortunately i'm pretty busy right now 18:33 <@rizen> thanks for letting me know 18:33 < SDuensin> I hear that. "Busy" is why I don't have a prototype desktop done in YUI yet. :-) 18:35 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@194.171.50.114] has left #webgui [] 18:58 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 18:58 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix_] by ChanServ 19:50 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:57 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@235.sub-75-204-31.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] --- Day changed Sat May 12 2007 02:39 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has quit ["Exit- stage left"] 03:05 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 05:33 -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has joined #webgui 05:33 * PedersenMJ waves, in a good mood. Just ran the last of the wires for the networking upstairs. Finally starting to get comfortable with this :) 07:19 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui 07:19 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 07:19 <+perlDreamer> preaction: have you got anywhere with the generic Container asset? 07:33 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 07:42 -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has quit [] 13:29 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] 15:01 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:08 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 15:08 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 16:20 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 16:53 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has joined #webgui 16:53 -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ 17:21 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:34 -!- Hinrik_ [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #WEBGUI 21:32 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has quit ["Exit- stage left"] 21:52 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 21:59 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@ip70-189-104-178.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui --- Day changed Sun May 13 2007 01:19 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:24 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 02:14 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] 06:07 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: perlbot, ckotil, Hinrik_, nuba, pjesi, @preaction, +Radix_, besonen_mobile, perlmonkey2 06:07 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @preaction, perlmonkey2, Hinrik_, +Radix_, pjesi, besonen_mobile, perlbot, nuba, ckotil 06:13 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: perlbot, ckotil, nuba 06:14 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ckotil 06:14 -!- Netsplit over, joins: perlbot 06:15 -!- Netsplit over, joins: nuba 06:42 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@ip70-189-104-178.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 19:46 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 19:46 -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ 19:46 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:47 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 19:47 -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ 20:58 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit ["Exit- stage left"] 23:38 -!- Hinrik_ is now known as Hinrik --- Day changed Mon May 14 2007 00:10 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 00:10 -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ 03:09 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@formsys.com] has joined #webgui 03:09 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 05:51 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@formsys.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:51 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 05:51 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 08:00 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit ["Exit- stage left"] 09:43 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 09:45 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 10:57 -!- midellaq [n=midellaq@hermes.wseurope.com] has joined #webgui 11:47 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:15 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:30 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has left #webgui [] 15:28 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:38 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 15:47 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 16:14 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@196.sub-75-206-121.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI 16:14 < SDuensin> Good morning. 16:15 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Leaving."] 16:22 < ckotil> good morning 16:26 < SDuensin> Hello 16:52 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 16:52 -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ 17:17 -!- Haarg [n=haarg@24-177-123-127.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 17:17 -!- mode/#webgui [+o Haarg] by ChanServ 17:30 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 17:30 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 17:49 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:51 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@65.248.171.167] has joined #webgui 17:52 -!- mode/#webgui [+v snapcount] by ChanServ 17:53 <+snapcount> I've found a bug and the cause but I'm not sure what the best fix is... anyone care to discuss? 17:53 < SDuensin> Best fix is the one that makes it work that I don't have to write. :-P 17:53 <+snapcount> hehe there he is 17:53 <+snapcount> I miss the witty responses 17:54 < Hinrik> and the best way to get the fix is to just ask, not ask to ask :P 17:54 < SDuensin> Sorry. Been busy lately. :-) 17:54 <+crythias> delete the code that causes the bug 17:54 <+crythias> :) 17:54 <+snapcount> hehe hey crythias 17:55 <+snapcount> well I'll talk outloud and maybe I'll figure out a good way on my own 17:55 <+snapcount> any hackers listening feel free to chime in 17:56 <+snapcount> if you grant all privileges to a user on a database then use the sql form with a dblink on that db it says the proper permissions are not there 17:57 <+snapcount> the reason is that the _databaseLinkHasPrivileges sub is pushing a big ass string onto the @privilges array 17:57 <+snapcount> $VAR1 = [ 17:57 <+snapcount> 'GRANT USAGE ON *.* TO \'ipLookup\'@\'localhost\' IDENTIFIED BY PASSWORD \'*DBE711C67C780542D8C70A6639FA2A5DB1D352DF\'', 17:57 <+snapcount> 'GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON `ipaddressassignments`.* TO \'ipLookup\'@\'localhost\'' 17:57 <+snapcount> ]; 17:57 <+snapcount> $VAR1 = [ 17:57 <+snapcount> 'GRANT USAGE ON *.* TO \'ipLookup\'@\'localhost\' IDENTIFIED BY PASSWORD \'*DBE711C67C780542D8C70A6639FA2A5DB1D352DF\'', 17:58 <+snapcount> 'GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON `ipaddressassignments`.* TO \'ipLookup\'@\'localhost\'' 17:58 <+snapcount> ]; 17:58 <+snapcount> something like that 17:58 <+snapcount> but then doing this to check permissions 17:58 <+snapcount> return 1 if (isIn('ALL PRIVILEGES', @privileges));, 17:59 <+snapcount> so it seems the intent is to have the element 'ALL PRIVILEGES' in the array 17:59 <+snapcount> and not that string 18:05 <+snapcount> I think I see why this is happening 18:05 <+snapcount> the regex pushing elements on the array is splitting off of the comma character 18:05 <+snapcount> there is no comma in the "show grants for current_user" stmt result 18:06 <+snapcount> GRANT USAGE ON *.* TO 'foo'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY PASSWORD '*F3A2A51A9B0F2BE2468926B4132313728C250DBF' | 18:06 <+snapcount> | GRANT SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE ON `ipaddressassignments`.* TO 'foo'@'localhost' 18:07 <+snapcount> so if you have all privileges the comma is not there, and you get big-ass-string instead of the good stuff 18:07 <+snapcount> this should be easy to fix 18:17 <+snapcount> heh 18:17 <+snapcount> I hate regular expressions 18:17 <+snapcount> perhaps if I were good at them I wouldn't say that 18:24 <@preaction> but if split doesn't find the delimiter, it should return the entire string 18:25 <+crythias> why do I find that sentence vaguely scatlogical? 18:25 <+snapcount> it does 18:26 <+snapcount> the problem is that isIn doesn't match "All Privileges" from big ass string 18:29 <@preaction> might need to use grep? 18:32 <@preaction> should we also just be looking for /ALL/i? I'm not sure how other RDBMS say all privs. i think i added an error message for some debugging purposes, but didn't get much feedback 18:38 <+snapcount> I have a patch but it needs to be tested 18:38 <+snapcount> it seems to work 18:38 <+snapcount> change line 660 to this 18:39 <@preaction> the guy on the buglist might be able to help, he tested my stuff 18:39 <+snapcount> if (m/GRANT (.*) ON/) { 18:39 <+snapcount> I don't know why martin made it so specific 18:40 <+snapcount> he probably had a reason though b/c he's smart 18:40 <+snapcount> ok I'll post the bug with the patch and make it clear that it needs to be tested 18:41 <+snapcount> thanks for the feedback though 19:31 -!- midellaq [n=midellaq@hermes.wseurope.com] has quit ["Leaving."] 21:53 -!- Haarg [n=haarg@24-177-123-127.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] 21:56 -!- Haarg [n=haarg@24-177-123-127.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 21:56 -!- mode/#webgui [+o Haarg] by ChanServ 23:27 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit ["Leaving."] 23:50 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@196.sub-75-206-121.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] --- Day changed Tue May 15 2007 00:41 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has joined #webgui 00:41 -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ 01:24 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 03:46 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:46 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 04:18 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: @Haarg, Hinrik, ckotil, perlbot, +snapcount, nuba, @vayde, +Radix-wrk, pjesi, SDuensin, (+4 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 04:49 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @Haarg, nuba, +snapcount, SDuensin, @rizen, +Radix-wrk, perlbot, ckotil, Hinrik, @preaction (+3 more) 04:52 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 04:52 -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ 04:59 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@65.248.171.167] has quit [] 05:13 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit ["Exit- stage left"] 05:52 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 05:53 -!- mode/#webgui [+v snapcount] by ChanServ 06:03 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui 06:03 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 06:03 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has left #webgui [] 09:57 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 11:15 -!- wgGuest23 [n=wgGuest2@host63-236-static.23-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #webgui 11:15 -!- wgGuest23 [n=wgGuest2@host63-236-static.23-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Client Quit] 11:27 -!- midellaq [n=midellaq@hermes.wseurope.com] has joined #webgui 11:42 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:06 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: @Haarg, nuba 14:07 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @Haarg, nuba 14:08 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:42 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [] 16:22 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@222.sub-75-206-52.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI 16:23 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@222.sub-75-206-52.myvzw.com] has left #WebGUI ["Leaving"] 16:23 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@222.sub-75-206-52.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI 16:23 < SDuensin> Good morning! 16:24 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@65.248.171.167] has joined #webgui 16:24 -!- mode/#webgui [+v snapcount] by ChanServ 16:51 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 16:52 <@rizen> top of the mornin to ya 16:53 <@preaction> hear hear! 16:55 < SDuensin> rizen ! preaction ! 16:55 <@preaction> alive and kicking? 16:56 * SDuensin is coffee powered. 17:02 -!- Ecnerifed [i=DeFirenc@dsl-240-117-37.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #webgui 17:02 < Ecnerifed> hi all 17:02 < Ecnerifed> im thinking of using webgui for our website, i need to know how easy it is to mod? 17:02 <@rizen> oooh we've got a new guy 17:03 < Ecnerifed> lawl 17:03 <@rizen> do you know perl? 17:03 < Ecnerifed> no :( 17:03 < SDuensin> NEW GUY! 17:03 < SDuensin> Ecnerifed - Neither did I. It's not hard. 17:03 <@rizen> then it won't be easy for you to mod, cuz webgui is written in perl 17:03 <@rizen> however, perl is not a hard language to get started with 17:04 <@rizen> as sd just said 17:04 < SDuensin> Perl can either look like an ASCII Factory explosion, or clean and readable. WebGUI is pretty clean. 17:04 <@rizen> here's your first perl scrip 17:04 <@rizen> print "Hello world\n"; 17:05 < Ecnerifed> ok, well, what i need to mod is, i need to make webgui use a custom password hash, instead of the default one, i also need it to use different rows to the username and pass hash 17:05 <@rizen> seriously though, if you want the best perl book on the market 17:05 <@rizen> if you want to learn it 17:05 <@rizen> get this: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/1932111921/ 17:05 < Ecnerifed> how hard would that be? 17:06 <@rizen> once you know perl...pretty easy 17:06 <@rizen> on a scale of 1..10 17:06 <@rizen> it's probably a 3 17:06 < Ecnerifed> ok, so i must find a perl dev now :(... 17:06 < Ecnerifed> ok 17:07 <@rizen> what part of the world are you from? 17:07 < SDuensin> Sounds like you're trying to auth against an existing database. 17:07 < SDuensin> Can you get to it via LDAP? 17:07 < Ecnerifed> i have a c++ dev, a java dev, a php dev, delphi, etc, now i need a perl dev 17:07 * Ecnerifed sighs big time 17:07 < Ecnerifed> lol 17:07 <@rizen> http://www.pm.org/ 17:08 <@rizen> at that site you can locate your local perl mongers group 17:08 < Ecnerifed> i dont even kno what LDAP is... 17:08 <@rizen> they'll point you to a perl dev 17:08 <@rizen> incidentally, if your existing developers are worth anything 17:08 <@rizen> they should be able to pick up perl quickly 17:08 < Ecnerifed> hmmm 17:08 < Ecnerifed> :S 17:08 <@rizen> especially the c++ and php peeps 17:09 < Ecnerifed> im just the owner of the server, even though i seem to be doing a bit of everything 17:09 <@rizen> cuz perl has a natural bond to c 17:09 <@rizen> and php is a descendant of perl 17:10 < Ecnerifed> ok 17:10 < Ecnerifed> i gotta work on a volenteer basis since its a free server :( 17:34 <+Radix_> there's no perl mongers group in Perth :( 17:35 -!- Ecnerifed [i=DeFirenc@dsl-240-117-37.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #webgui [] 17:35 <@rizen> radix...you should start one 17:35 <+Radix_> lol.. but I don't know perl myself! 17:35 <@rizen> there wasn't one in madison when i got here 17:36 <+Radix_> well.. not more than the basics anyway :) 17:36 <@rizen> that's actually all you need 17:36 <@rizen> perl mongers is a training program 17:36 <@rizen> whereby all it's members train each other 17:36 <@rizen> you figure out things together 17:36 <@rizen> and pm.org will give you free web space, and a free mailing list 17:36 <@rizen> so you don't need to have any expenses 17:37 <@rizen> and on top of that, o'reilly will give you free books 17:37 <@rizen> to evaluate 17:37 <+Radix_> perhaps after my sabbatical I can think about it.. at the moment I really don't feel confident enough with perl to do much 17:38 <+Radix_> that was the idea behind the sabbatical.. to throw myself into perl and webgui and learn more about it all 17:44 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 17:44 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 18:00 < ckotil> man, i encountered a wierd bug with pending version tags today. 18:00 < ckotil> made a PB support forum post. 18:02 < SDuensin> Any CSS experts in here? I got an IE issue I can't fix. :-( 18:02 <+crythias> not an expert, but willing to take a gander 18:02 < ckotil> im not very good at it, i just try recreating the wheel until the wheel works in all browsers 18:04 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 18:09 -!- ckotil [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has quit ["leaving"] 18:13 < SDuensin> crythias - with IE (preferably 6), look at http://new.duensing.com ... 18:14 < SDuensin> If you expand the "Rylee-Photos-Age 2" portion of the tree, it makes the menu item text wider than the column... 18:15 < SDuensin> On working browsers, that extra text is truncated at the line separating the columns. In IE, it screws up the layout by forcing the menu column to be rendered below the end of the content column. 18:17 < SDuensin> http://new.duensing.com/duensing-style/duensing.css currently has "overflow-x" in it, which I know doesn't work (it's CSS3), but I figured I'd try since "overflow" didn't work either. 18:25 <+crythias> interesting it works in ie tab 18:26 <+crythias> ack. I don't have IE6. 18:26 < SDuensin> It truncates that wide text? 18:26 < SDuensin> Ah. 18:26 <+crythias> IE7 works. 18:26 < SDuensin> IE7. I didn't try it there. 18:27 < SDuensin> With Windows Genuine Annoyance, I want to still support 6. 18:27 <+crythias> but then again...I'd probably try to not confine to a div 18:27 < SDuensin> How can I do it? 18:27 * SDuensin is no CSS expert. He "borrowed" that layout. 18:28 <+crythias> I don't know that I like the expansion layout. 18:28 <+crythias> :( 18:28 < SDuensin> The who? The tree thing? 18:28 <+crythias> It's my fault, though. 18:29 <+crythias> yeah, it's just personal preference because it (to me) appears to be too many clicks to get to the point. 18:39 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:45 < SDuensin> I used the tree because that menu has the possibility of getting HUGE. 18:45 < SDuensin> Guess I need to rethink it. 18:45 < SDuensin> Still, it won't fix my problem if the text is too wide. It still needs clipped. 18:46 <+crythias> if the menu is to be huge, that menu system will cause long load times. 18:46 < SDuensin> That's true. The tree loads all at once. That'd be bad. 19:27 -!- midellaq [n=midellaq@hermes.wseurope.com] has quit ["Leaving."] 19:31 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 21:04 -!- ckotil [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has joined #webgui 21:22 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat054.mxim.com] has joined #webgui 21:22 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 21:23 <+perlDreamer> preaction: why does the method of getting the URL inside of a Thread break macros that use $session->asset? 21:24 <@preaction> because $session->asset points to the current asset as instanciated from the URL 21:24 <@preaction> having urla?func=previousThread actually display the thread with url="urlb" means $session->asset points to urla 21:25 <+perlDreamer> hmmm... 21:25 <@preaction> unless the code updates $session->asset (which would be worse) 21:25 <+perlDreamer> does that mean that we don't need to www_nextThread methods anymore then? 21:25 <+perlDreamer> like mark them as deprecated? 21:26 <@preaction> let me see if the DoS still has their bug open for the side effect of this bug 21:29 <@preaction> yeah, i'd probably mark them as deprecated 21:30 <+perlDreamer> I'll patch them 21:33 < pjesi> can someone remind me of the svn repository? 21:36 <@preaction> https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI 21:39 < pjesi> thx 21:40 < pjesi> just lost all my bookmarks to a horrible FF extension 21:44 < pjesi> the ical, does it always subscribe to the entire calendar, or does it matter which view is enabled (month/week/day/event)? 21:45 <@rizen> the view has nothing to do with the feed 21:45 < pjesi> ok good 21:49 <@rizen> if anybody's got some ideas on what i'm doing wrong with the following code, please shout them out. 21:49 <@rizen> my $var = 1; 21:50 <@rizen> my $handler = &somesub; 21:50 <@rizen> &$handler($var); 21:50 <@rizen> the problem is that $var never gets passed into $handler 21:50 <@rizen> $handler does get executed though 21:57 <@preaction> it should be \&somesub; # get a reference, not the output 21:57 <@rizen> ah 21:57 <@rizen> thanks 21:57 <@rizen> i knew i was sccrewing up something 22:28 -!- jamestolley [i=jamestol@udp179836uds.hawaiiantel.net] has joined #webgui 23:08 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@65.248.171.167] has quit [] 23:30 <+perlDreamer> are scripts in sbin supposed to a #! line? 23:31 <@rizen> wre/sbin yes 23:31 <@rizen> WebGUI/sbin no 23:31 <+perlDreamer> okay 23:31 <+perlDreamer> -3 bugs 23:35 < SDuensin> Oh my god. Start looking for the four horsemen. IE7 just rendered something correctly and Firefox blew it. 23:36 <+perlDreamer> You must be mistaken, SD. 23:36 <@rizen> i agree, sd is smoking something 23:36 <+perlDreamer> That's like saying that entropy decreased. 23:36 <@rizen> SD: you really blew that guy 23:36 <@rizen> SD: you really licked his ass 23:36 <@rizen> hehe 23:37 <+crythias> Demolition Man! 23:37 <+crythias> All restaurants are Taco Bell! 23:38 * crythias vomits a little in his mouth. 23:38 <@rizen> crythias, you can take this job and shovel it 23:38 < SDuensin> I know. I can hardly believe my eyes. 23:38 * SDuensin is doing some DOM inspecting to see if Firefox is looking at the same thing IE is using. 23:40 <+crythias> You are a savage creature rizen, and I wish for you to leave my domicile now! 23:41 <+crythias> You've finally matched his meet! 23:42 <+crythias> rizen, You are an incredibly sensitive man, who inspires joy-joy feelings in all those around you. 23:45 <@rizen> crythias, You are fined one credit for a violation of the Verbal Morality Statute. 23:46 <+crythias> What's with the seashells? 23:46 <@rizen> I want you to rob, I want you to pillage, I want you to steal! I want you to do all the wonderful things that we used to do before all of this happened! This world will be ours! Are you with me? 23:46 <+crythias> Yeah! 23:46 <@rizen> he doesn't know how to use the three sea shells 23:46 <@rizen> =) 23:46 <+crythias> yay IMDB quotes! 23:48 <@rizen> i've been meaning to watch that movie again 23:48 <@rizen> just haven't had time 23:50 <+perlDreamer> time/shmime 23:50 <+perlDreamer> dude, you work at home! 23:51 <@rizen> yeah, but that doesn't mean i don't work all day long 23:51 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:51 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has left #webgui [] --- Day changed Wed May 16 2007 00:02 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@222.sub-75-206-52.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:03 -!- mode/#webgui [+o jamestolley] by rizen 00:03 <@rizen> preaction, when you get a chance, can you please permanently op jamestolley 00:03 <@rizen> james, please register your account with freenode 00:03 <@rizen> check out www.freenode.net for info on how to do that 00:53 -!- vayde [n=vayde@209.134.142.196] has joined #webgui 00:53 -!- mode/#webgui [+o vayde] by ChanServ 02:10 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 02:29 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat054.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 03:17 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] 03:51 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:51 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 04:16 <@rizen> if anybody is here, i have a question 04:16 <@rizen> an opinion needed 04:16 <@rizen> if the WRE has a web based console for adding/removing/editing sites and all other functions, and an API for automation 04:16 <+Radix-wrk> i'm here 04:16 <@rizen> does it need command line utilities as well for any reason? 04:21 <+Radix-wrk> Sorry.. phone 04:21 <+Radix-wrk> Probably not really 04:22 <@vayde> I think it does. I distrust gui utilities, but that might just be my neurosis 04:22 <+Radix-wrk> the onyl advantage I find with command line is that you tend to get more feedback/errors if something goes wrong 04:23 <+Radix-wrk> and more options 04:24 <@rizen> assuming you had every option 04:24 <@rizen> and every error message 04:24 <@rizen> and every level of output 04:24 <@vayde> plus you get the satisfaction of getting your prompt back, knowing it finished 04:24 <@rizen> and vayde, i'm afraid i can't take your paranoia into account...do you have any good reasons? 04:25 <@rizen> this will be doing things in realtime 04:25 <@vayde> I'm not saying you should necessarily. 04:25 <@rizen> so when the page comes back 04:25 <@rizen> you will have the same satisfaction 04:26 <@rizen> i'm not saying i shouldn't have command line tools. i'm just wondering what purpose they might serve...and i don't really see one at this point 04:26 <@vayde> In my experience, cli is more reliable. things tend to work, or fail in ways that lead you to the answer. guis don't always 04:26 <@vayde> that's just my 2 cents though 04:26 <@rizen> i think that has more to do with most of the CLI apps that you've used have been around for 20 years 04:26 <@rizen> and are well tested 04:27 <@rizen> and well written 04:30 <+Radix-wrk> Command line utilities are a good way to learn automation as well I've found, and can be used as a starting point to hack the default and tweak it to do what you want - that's how I started my adduser script prettymuch 04:30 <@rizen> i'm thinking about maybe providing some limited functionality command line utilities 04:31 <+Radix-wrk> So for example if someone wanted to add a new site as a clone from an existing one.. or make it so that every new site also included a bunch of specific pages, etc 04:31 <@rizen> and putting the full features in the GUI 04:31 <@rizen> the reason is that i think that most people will prefer the GUI 04:31 <@rizen> vayde's feelings to the contrary 04:32 <+Radix-wrk> Will there be a way to disable it in the GUI if you want? 04:32 <@rizen> and if i'm wrong 04:32 <@rizen> then we can always expand the CLI tools 04:32 <@rizen> disable what? 04:32 <+Radix-wrk> ie. if you want to give a user admin for a site, but don't want them to be able to add new sites whenever they like? 04:32 * SDuensin just read the scrollback... 04:32 <@rizen> no...this is an admin only tool 04:33 < SDuensin> If it has an API, it'd be easy to roll a CLI tool. 04:33 <@rizen> this is not something you give your hosting clients 04:33 <@rizen> that's what the API is there fore 04:33 <@rizen> to tie the WRE into whatever console tool you give your clients 04:33 <@rizen> webmin 04:33 <@rizen> or whatever 04:33 < SDuensin> My clients get NUTHIN'! Just the bill! :-) 04:33 <+Radix-wrk> okay, so how is it exposed to the admin by default? 04:34 <@rizen> a web based gui 04:34 <+Radix-wrk> on a separate port address? in webgui itself? 04:34 <@rizen> on a seperate port 04:34 <@rizen> i wrote a seperate web server 04:34 <@rizen> based upon HTTP::Daemon 04:34 <+Radix-wrk> k, cool 04:35 <@rizen> that way you can use this tool to restart apache 04:35 <@rizen> without affecting the tool 04:35 <+Radix-wrk> neat 04:35 <+Radix-wrk> Sounds good to me.. ship it! 04:35 <@rizen> it's not entirely written yet 04:35 <@rizen> the web server is 04:36 <@rizen> but not the functionality that goes in it 04:36 <@rizen> this is all part of the WRE 0.8.0 rewrite 04:36 < SDuensin> MORE WEB SERVERS! 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If I didn't sleep, it's still yesterday. 16:07 < SDuensin> hehehe 16:08 <+crythias> rizen shine! 16:08 <+crythias> hee :) 16:09 <+crythias> just.. felt right to say that. 16:09 < SDuensin> :-D 16:10 <+crythias> hrm. so ... what about this universal pwd WorksLikeASlave? 16:10 <+crythias> (j/k) 16:15 <+crythias> Sigh. 16:15 <+crythias> I get emails for tech support requests posted on zolved.com 16:15 < SDuensin> Zolved? Never been there. 16:16 <+crythias> a rash of "I installed ypops on Vista for Outlook 2007. I get an invalid pop3 account ... is this a Vista issue?" 16:16 <+crythias> I shrug to myself. 16:16 <+crythias> I might lose $$ by not knowing what Vista is and supporting it, but that's almost like shooting fish in a barrel. 16:17 <+crythias> except I'd have to buy a barrel. 16:17 <+crythias> and fish. 16:17 < SDuensin> That's the only reason I installed Vista. Just so I can support it. 16:17 <+crythias> that's a really sad reason. 16:17 <+crythias> :( 16:18 < SDuensin> Only reason I've found to use it. 16:18 <+crythias> I like my xp installed base for my company. 16:18 <+crythias> I'd like to go to Feisty Faun, but I think I'd get too much heat. 16:19 <+crythias> especially too many proprietary windows apps. 16:19 <+crythias> then again, I *could* be the test case. 16:20 < SDuensin> :-) 16:20 * SDuensin is an OS X fan. 16:28 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [] 16:44 -!- AMH_bo1 [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Leaving."] 16:48 -!- Klaus_ [n=Miranda@p57A5AD4E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #webgui 17:05 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 17:09 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@65.248.171.167] has joined #webgui 17:09 -!- mode/#webgui [+v snapcount] by ChanServ 18:04 -!- perlmonkey2 is now known as help 18:06 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 18:08 < ckotil> im rebuilding an xserve 18:08 < ckotil> cant find the serial for 10.4!!!!! 18:09 < SDuensin> XSERVE! 18:09 * SDuensin is now officially jealous. 18:49 < ckotil> we dont have the big ass raid 18:54 < SDuensin> I don't care. :-) 19:09 < ckotil> yah, its pretty sweet. its our backup server, we run retrospect 19:13 < SDuensin> I just built a BackupPC based backup server. Works REALLY well! 19:13 < ckotil> something is screwey with the disk's in it tho, i couldnt pinpoint a bad disk or bad raid card.. 19:13 < ckotil> does it backup windows/linux/mac workstations? 19:19 < SDuensin> Yea. Using either SSH and rsync (or TAR) or you can use SMB. 19:20 < SDuensin> I have two of them, each 1 TB. One backs up my house and servers and the other (will) does my parent's house. Then they sync. 19:32 < ckotil> nice. 19:33 -!- MrHairgreas1 [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui 19:33 < SDuensin> It even gracefully handles me running off with my laptop while it's in the middle of being backed up. :-) 19:33 < SDuensin> Hi MrHairgreas1 19:34 -!- MrHairgreas1 is now known as MrHairgrease 19:34 < MrHairgrease> hi 19:35 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ 19:35 <@rizen> howdy 19:37 < SDuensin> The dead have rizen ! 19:37 <@rizen> you're stealing crythias line 19:37 < SDuensin> I know. :-P 19:37 <@rizen> did he open source it? 19:37 <+crythias> pd 19:37 <@rizen> or provide a creative commons license? 19:38 <@rizen> that's good 19:38 <@rizen> but it still doesn't mean microsoft won't sue SD for patent infringement 19:38 <+crythias> actually, I take that back. CC SA 19:39 <+crythias> BA 19:39 <+crythias> share alike by attribution :) 19:40 <+crythias> rizer? but I hardly even know her! 19:41 <+crythias> Butter. It's whats for dinner. 19:43 <@rizen> Hot dogs. Armor hot dogs. The dogs kids love to bite. 19:43 <+crythias> oh, no. 19:43 <+crythias> It's better than bad, it's good! 19:44 <@rizen> if anyone is interested, the new WRE API is absolutely going to rule for integration into web console interfaces 19:44 <+crythias> yeah. so nice we're going to call it WRAPITUP 19:44 <@rizen> everything that the WRE scripts can do will be presented through an object oriented perl API 19:45 <@rizen> huh? 19:45 <+crythias> WebGUI Runtime API smth smth smth .. Profit! 19:45 <@rizen> heh 19:46 <+crythias> Totally Under Perl 19:46 <+MrHairgrease> cool 19:46 <+MrHairgrease> looking forward to it 19:47 <+MrHairgrease> we're thinking of running a number of sites of ours under the wre 19:48 <@rizen> anyone know why using carp messages would screw up Test::More 19:48 <+MrHairgrease> no 19:48 <@rizen> if i leave my carps in the code the tests fail, but if i comment them out they succeed 19:49 <@rizen> very strange 19:49 <+MrHairgrease> maybe test::more checks for carps somehow 19:49 <+MrHairgrease> and sees them as failures... 19:49 <@rizen> a carp is supposed to be a warn...so it shouldn't screw with it 19:50 <+MrHairgrease> yeah 19:50 <+MrHairgrease> but maybe tm sees warns as failures 19:50 <+MrHairgrease> i dunno 19:50 <+MrHairgrease> but it seems plausible 19:51 <+crythias> ___/\______/| 19:51 <+crythias> /_ * oO O O o< 19:51 <+crythias> \__\|----------\| 19:51 <+crythias> holy carp? 19:53 <+crythias> What's this burger made of? Rats? Best burger I've had in years. 19:54 <+MrHairgrease> crythias, are you drinking? 19:54 <+MrHairgrease> or on some controlled substance =) 19:54 <+crythias> why? would that make this funnier? 19:54 <+MrHairgrease> not per se 19:54 <+MrHairgrease> but more understandable 19:57 <@rizen> esta tacogne? 19:57 <@rizen> esta rata? 19:57 <@rizen> rat! 19:57 <@rizen> this is a rat burger? 19:58 <+crythias> do you see any cows around here? 19:59 <+MrHairgrease> yeah 19:59 <+MrHairgrease> 4 to be exact 20:00 <+crythias> heh. He said "Bump Uglies" 20:00 <@rizen> the honka chonka 20:01 <@rizen> then smoke some cigarettes and raid the fridge 20:01 <+crythias> grr. 6.7.4 ... 20:01 <+crythias> I'm trying to get 6.7.4 live on a new box to upgrade 20:02 <+crythias> I am close, but having trouble remembering how to allow uploads to work and extras in the right direction... 20:02 <+crythias> sigh 20:05 <@rizen> mrhg, are you supposed to trap carps with eval blocks? 20:05 <@rizen> the same way you trap croaks? 20:06 <+MrHairgrease> i dunno 20:06 <+MrHairgrease> i never write code thta blows up 20:06 <+MrHairgrease> so i never needed to write someyhing like that =) 20:06 <@rizen> me either, but i'm connecting to code that blows up 20:07 <+MrHairgrease> heh 20:07 <@rizen> so i'm trying to throw a warning when their code blows up 20:07 <@rizen> =) 20:07 <+MrHairgrease> well 20:07 <+MrHairgrease> maybe an eval would do the job 20:07 <+MrHairgrease> i googled a bit 20:07 <+MrHairgrease> and serached on perlmonks 20:08 <+MrHairgrease> but couldn't really find the problem you're having 20:08 <@rizen> me too 20:08 <+MrHairgrease> maybe you should mail the test::more dude 20:08 <+MrHairgrease> that's ndy lester right? 20:09 <@rizen> yeah, i tried IM'ing him, but he's not around right now 20:09 <+MrHairgrease> ok 20:09 <+MrHairgrease> i can't help you with this one 20:09 <+MrHairgrease> that's the bane of writing flawless code =) 20:19 <@rizen> wahoo...andy was just there for 2 seconds and figured out that i'm an idiot 20:19 <@rizen> i was doing use Carp; 20:20 <@rizen> not use Carp qw(carp); 20:20 <@preaction> you have to explicitly export carp now? 20:20 <@rizen> apparently 20:20 <@preaction> weirdness 20:20 <@rizen> cuz it works now that i did that 20:21 <@rizen> even weirder 20:21 <@rizen> i can't just do it in the super class 20:21 <@rizen> i have to do it in each subclass 20:21 <+MrHairgrease> that is not too weird 20:22 <+MrHairgrease> Expoter only exports into the package 20:22 <+MrHairgrease> which is not the same as the package of the uper class] 20:22 <@rizen> so objects don't inherit exports? 20:22 <+MrHairgrease> I think so 20:22 <@rizen> hmmm..then i've been doing it wrong in webgui for many years 20:22 <@rizen> and it's worked 20:22 <+MrHairgrease> where 20:23 <+MrHairgrease> in almost no cases there are actually subs imported 20:23 <@rizen> WebGUI::Utility 20:23 <@rizen> in Asset.pm 20:23 <+MrHairgrease> hmm 20:23 <@rizen> it doesn't matter 20:23 <+MrHairgrease> indeed 20:23 <@rizen> now that i know how to do it the right way 20:23 <@rizen> i'm going to do that 20:24 <@rizen> it's amazing that after using perl for more than 10 years, i'm still learning trivial things 20:24 <@rizen> =) 20:24 -!- Klaus_ [n=Miranda@p57A5AD4E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:25 -!- help [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has left #webgui [] 21:08 <+crythias> what does "Cannot open config file" mean on an update.pl? 21:08 <+crythias> I'm reasonably certain it's still there... 21:08 <+MrHairgrease> i know that one 21:08 <+MrHairgrease> pls wait 21:08 <+crythias> unf. this is 6.8.9-6.8.10 21:09 <+MrHairgrease> it's a bug in the upgrade.pl 21:09 <+crythias> oh. snap. ok.. 21:09 <+MrHairgrease> https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=4057 21:10 <+MrHairgrease> http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/race-condition-causes-upgrade.pl-to-fail#Ui8Do6S-iKg8BNs92wKgNw 21:11 <+MrHairgrease> it had me puzzled for a long time too 21:11 <+crythias> ack. 21:12 <+crythias> oh... 21:12 <+crythias> because 6.8.10 comes before 6.8.2 21:12 <+MrHairgrease> no 21:12 <+MrHairgrease> the order in which the script displays the upgrades doesn't matter 21:13 <+MrHairgrease> the upgrade script pulls the wrong current wg version out of the db 21:13 <+MrHairgrease> that's what's going wrong 21:14 <+crythias> happiness. 21:14 <+crythias> You inspire joy joy feelings in all those around you. 21:14 <+MrHairgrease> yeah 21:14 <+MrHairgrease> it's becomming real tiresome =) 21:19 <@preaction> enhance your calm 21:19 <+crythias> "respond with, "or else"" 21:20 <@preaction> now i gotta dig up my VHS of that movie... 21:26 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] 22:50 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@34.sub-75-204-220.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:03 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@ip70-189-104-178.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 23:23 < xdanger> Is there a way for allowing users to register, but that the account would be disabled until admins approve the user? 23:25 <@rizen> there's a jury rigged way you could do it now 23:25 <@rizen> and a good way to do it in 7.4 23:26 <@rizen> the jury rig is to notify admins on new user 23:26 <@rizen> and then have them put the user into a group 23:26 <@rizen> oh wait 23:26 <@rizen> if you don't mind writing a quick workflow activity 23:26 <@rizen> you could do this now 23:26 <@rizen> there is a workflow that is kicked off on user registration 23:27 <@rizen> you could disable their account 23:27 <@rizen> and notify the admin to approve it 23:27 <@rizen> using a workflow activity 23:27 <@rizen> anyway...there's no way built in to webgui to do this 23:27 <@rizen> you'd have to do something yourself 23:30 < xdanger> ok... workflow could work... 23:30 < xdanger> I'll have a look at that next week... 23:30 < xdanger> I'll contribute the results then 23:53 <+crythias> grr spectre --- Day changed Thu May 17 2007 00:00 <+crythias> ok. I'm being silly. 00:01 <+crythias> spectre won't connect to my server... 00:04 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 00:13 <+crythias> ERROR: Couldn't connect to WebGUI site server1.conf @ http://server1a:80/?op=spectreTest because it returned HTTP::Response=HASH(0x8f209f8) 00:14 <+crythias> although ... 00:15 <+crythias> links says I get "spectre" 00:21 <+crythias> rizen: in lib/Spectre/Admin.pm would it be possible/useful/etc to verbose error a line like this: print "ERROR: Couldn't connect to WebGUI site $key @ $url because it returned $response \n"; 00:29 <+crythias> hrm. env_proxy problem. 00:39 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has left #webgui [] 00:40 <@rizen> ertainly 01:28 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 01:28 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 01:37 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@65.248.171.167] has quit [] 03:59 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:59 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 04:15 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 04:17 <@rizen> crythias...per your question before, submit a patch to the bug list and we'll get it in the next release 05:12 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 05:12 -!- mode/#webgui [+v snapcount] by ChanServ 05:18 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: +snapcount, +crythias 05:18 -!- Netsplit over, joins: +snapcount, +crythias 05:19 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 05:19 < crythia1> wow. 05:20 < crythia1> Now I need to know what I asked. :) 05:20 < crythia1> oh, yeah. 05:20 < crythia1> but it wouldn't have helped. 05:20 < crythia1> rizen: here's the deal 05:21 < crythia1> env_proxy killed spectre in Admin.pm when spectre was running on the same network. 05:21 < crythia1> I was troubleshooting it, and realized it too late. 05:21 < crythia1> took me many hours to realize it. 05:23 < crythia1> actually, on the same box 05:23 <@rizen> what does that have to do with you submitting a patch to the bug list? 05:35 < crythia1> nothing. Only the why of the patch was important. 05:35 <@rizen> ah 05:35 <@rizen> that's what i was missing 05:35 <@rizen> i was trying to figure out if you were saying that the patch is no longer needed 05:35 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:35 <@rizen> or something else was needed 05:36 < crythia1> The patch wouldn't have fixed the issue. 05:36 < crythia1> I mean, it's nice to know that I couldn't connect and that it was trying to access the right website. 05:36 < crythia1> that information I didn't have. 05:37 < crythia1> but the problem was that Spectre was using env_proxy on the same box as WebGUI. 06:11 -!- pjesi [n=pjesi@perl.is] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:11 -!- pjesi [i=pjesi@perl.is] has joined #webgui 06:53 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: crythia1, +snapcount 06:59 -!- Netsplit over, joins: crythia1, +snapcount 06:59 -!- snapcount_ [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 07:02 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@ip70-189-104-178.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 07:08 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:09 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 07:52 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit ["Exit- stage left"] 11:02 -!- besonen_mobile [n=besonen_@71-220-227-185.eugn.qwest.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:14 -!- midellaq [n=midellaq@hermes.wseurope.com] has joined #webgui 11:16 -!- besonen_mobile [n=besonen_@71-220-227-185.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #webgui 11:49 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:12 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:04 -!- midellaq [n=midellaq@hermes.wseurope.com] has left #webgui [] 16:05 -!- snapcount_ [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [] 16:10 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@32.sub-75-206-194.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI 16:11 < SDuensin> Good morning. 16:24 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 16:43 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@65.248.171.167] has joined #webgui 16:43 -!- mode/#webgui [+v snapcount] by ChanServ 16:43 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@65.248.171.167] has quit [Client Quit] 16:45 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@65.248.171.167] has joined #webgui 16:45 -!- mode/#webgui [+v snapcount] by ChanServ 17:22 -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has joined #webgui 19:01 < ckotil> hello 19:04 < SDuensin> Hey ckotil 19:59 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 19:59 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 20:53 -!- jamestolley [i=jamestol@udp179836uds.hawaiiantel.net] has joined #webgui 21:01 -!- jamestolley [i=jamestol@udp179836uds.hawaiiantel.net] has quit ["User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby"] 21:02 -!- jamestolley [i=jamestol@udp179836uds.hawaiiantel.net] has joined #webgui 23:01 -!- misterslurpey [n=Mistersl@mdsnwikwbas08-pool9-a133.mdsnwikw.tds.net] has joined #webgui 23:01 < misterslurpey> Hello 23:01 < misterslurpey> Hi 23:01 -!- mode/#webgui [+o jamestolley] by rizen 23:01 <@rizen> howdy 23:01 < misterslurpey> I need a little help 23:01 < misterslurpey> do u mind? 23:01 <@rizen> i guarantee nothing, but you can ask 23:02 < misterslurpey> I am trying to install WEBgui on my apache server, but i am using a windows pc 23:02 < misterslurpey> so do i use the windows install? 23:04 <@rizen> yes, though i have to admit that the windows install is by far the most difficult 23:04 < misterslurpey> :o 23:04 <@rizen> webgui works fine on windows once you get it up and running, but it's designed to run on a unix/linux environment 23:04 < misterslurpey> no my webserver is linux 23:04 <@rizen> oh 23:05 <@rizen> you just said you're using windows 23:05 < misterslurpey> but my pc is windows 23:05 <@rizen> ok 23:05 <@rizen> that's no big deal 23:05 <@rizen> do you have root access on your linux server? 23:05 < misterslurpey> Ill i have is Cpanel and ftp 23:05 <@rizen> that won't work. webgui requires root access. 23:06 <@rizen> it's an enterprise level system, so it's not just a script you install like some other web publishing systems 23:06 <@rizen> it's meant to take over the server 23:06 < misterslurpey> oh. 23:06 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@65.248.171.167] has quit [] 23:06 < misterslurpey> :( 23:07 <@rizen> that said...there are plenty of hosters out there 23:07 <@rizen> that sell accounts for between $10 and $30 a month 23:07 < misterslurpey> mynes a free 20gb 23:07 <@rizen> they handle all the webgui install for you 23:07 < misterslurpey> :) 23:07 <@rizen> so you can just use it 23:07 < misterslurpey> maybe ill ask my webhost 23:07 <@rizen> that's a good idea 23:07 < misterslurpey> they are very nice 23:07 <@rizen> they may decide they want to offer webgui as a service 23:07 <@rizen> lots of web hosts are doing that these days 23:08 <@rizen> cuz webgui puts a lot of power into people's hands 23:08 < misterslurpey> can i use a theme i found 23:08 < misterslurpey> for this 23:08 <@rizen> yup 23:08 < misterslurpey> :D 23:09 < misterslurpey> well my server host is in the uk and they are all sleeping 23:09 <@rizen> once you get your webgui instance up and running you can come back here and someone will help you get your theme installed 23:09 * SDuensin hosts! :-) 23:09 < SDuensin> So does rizen. :-) 23:09 < misterslurpey> im really new to websites, so is perl better than php? 23:09 <@rizen> MPedersen is the one that helps most people out with that 23:09 < misterslurpey> or are they the same 23:10 <@rizen> php is a descendant of perl 23:10 < misterslurpey> so which is widely used 23:10 <@rizen> php is generally a litlte easier to code than perl, but perl has much more power and flexibility 23:10 < misterslurpey> ok 23:10 < misterslurpey> so perl is more secure? 23:10 <@rizen> php is probably more widkely used for for your average web site 23:10 <@rizen> but really big sites run perl 23:10 < misterslurpey> ok 23:10 < misterslurpey> man i must have a good host then 23:11 < misterslurpey> giving me free perl 23:11 <@rizen> yahoo, amazon, slashdot, etc are all run on perl 23:11 < misterslurpey> i see 23:11 <@rizen> oh, and ticket master, the bbc web site, and shopzilla also 23:11 < misterslurpey> cool 23:11 < misterslurpey> i looked on wiki pedia not many scripts though 23:12 <@rizen> php is more popular these days 23:12 <@rizen> cuz its easier to learn, as i said 23:12 < misterslurpey> oh 23:12 <@rizen> but perl is more powerful 23:13 <@rizen> so it's about what it is that you want to do it 23:13 < misterslurpey> i like perl than 23:13 < misterslurpey> I just want a forum and a web page. 23:13 <@rizen> if you're all about running a small to medium sized ordinary web site 23:13 < misterslurpey> :D 23:13 <@rizen> then php might be better 23:13 < misterslurpey> well its more stronger like u said. 23:13 <@rizen> webgui can do the stuff you just listed, but so can other apps 23:13 <@rizen> webgui rules 23:14 < misterslurpey> ok 23:14 <@rizen> and i think everyone should use it 23:14 < misterslurpey> thats what i wanted to hear 23:14 <@rizen> but it's not a small system 23:14 < misterslurpey> i looked at it, and thought this would help me. 23:15 < misterslurpey> how big is webgui? 23:15 <@rizen> 200,000 lines of code 23:15 <@rizen> approximately 23:15 < misterslurpey> :o 23:16 <@rizen> like i said, it's designed to take over a server 23:16 <@rizen> when you put it on a server, it can run hundreds of sites on a single server 23:16 < misterslurpey> so that file on source forge is the size right. 23:16 <@rizen> there are two parts 23:16 <@rizen> the WebGUI Runtime Environment (WRE) 23:16 <@rizen> and WebGUI Source 23:16 <@rizen> you need both 23:17 <@rizen> if you add in the WRE then you're talking about millions of lines of code 23:17 <@rizen> the WRE is all the stuff you need to run webgui, perl, mysql, apache, etc 23:17 <@rizen> then WebGUI itself is about 20mb (or 10mb compressed) 23:18 < misterslurpey> good. 23:18 < misterslurpey> my little server is only 2gb. 23:27 < misterslurpey> my host guys are sleeping i think 23:28 <@rizen> SDuensin, what do you guys provide for hosting? 23:29 < SDuensin> We do FTP space, unlimited Email, WebGUI, CPanel, Fantastico (to auto-install a ton of web apps), and hella bandwidth. :-) 23:29 <@rizen> at what price? 23:29 < SDuensin> $20 a month. 23:30 < SDuensin> I'd love to be cheaper, but I gotta eat. :-D 23:30 < misterslurpey> I get 2gb for free 23:30 < misterslurpey> but no root acess 23:30 < misterslurpey> :() 23:31 < SDuensin> I don't have a hard size limit. However, if you take over the box, you're likely going to not get to stay at $20. :-D 23:31 <@rizen> for all that you're giving i'd say that's super cheap 23:31 < misterslurpey> my other Web host is 10 gb and is free as well 23:32 < misterslurpey> :) 23:32 < SDuensin> rizen - I try! Just wish I was a half-ass decent salesman. I couldn't sell free money. 23:32 <@rizen> our cheapest package is WebGUI, 25 email accounts, 10gb bandwidth, and 500mb storage, with nightly backups and monitoring for $20 23:32 <@rizen> how do these hosts stay in business if they give away hosting for free? 23:33 < misterslurpey> I dunno 23:33 < misterslurpey> they are nice to me 23:33 < SDuensin> Oh yea. We have off-box RAID backups at night. I try and monitor everything, but I don't advertise that as a service. 23:33 <@rizen> we have a 3 way monitoring system 23:33 < SDuensin> I also try and keep current waaaaaay off-site backups in case of major disaster. Like off site in another state. :-) 23:34 < misterslurpey> :o 23:34 <@rizen> how do you have the bandwidth for nightly backups to another data center? 23:34 < SDuensin> I have two way monitoring - when I see it and when a customer complains. 23:34 <@rizen> hehe 23:34 < SDuensin> It's not exactly "nightly". It's a "rolling rsync". 23:35 < SDuensin> It does what it can as fast as it can. 23:35 <@rizen> ok, but you must dump your databases 23:35 < SDuensin> I do. 23:35 <@rizen> so do you do that nightly? 23:35 < SDuensin> Yes. 23:36 <@rizen> across the various servers that we host, we're storing about 7 terabytes of data 23:36 < SDuensin> GACK! Wow. Yea. Nowhere near that big (yet). 23:36 <@rizen> so we do full nightly backups, but we couldn't possibly do that to another data center and still have bandwidth left 23:37 < SDuensin> No kidding. 23:38 <@rizen> what's funny is that we're a small hosting outfit at 7 terabytes 23:38 <@rizen> there are lots of data centers these days that measure stuff in petabytes 23:38 < SDuensin> Wish I was a "small hosting outfit". Hell, I'd be happy just paying my bills. 23:39 <@rizen> we couldn't survive if all we did was hosting 23:39 <@rizen> there's very little money in it 23:39 <@rizen> unless you're hosting 100 million customers 23:39 < SDuensin> Yea, I know. I just want it to pay for itself. 23:39 < SDuensin> I don't think my Open Office spreadsheet is ready for 100 million customers. :-) 23:41 < misterslurpey> Hey if i cant use Web Gui, whats a good Php alternative 23:42 <@rizen> there isn't a php system that does everything webgui does 23:42 < SDuensin> Not even close. :-) 23:43 * SDuensin is migrating away from other systems as fast as he can. 23:43 < misterslurpey> How bout ruby? 23:43 <@rizen> as far as forums, everybody is very fond of phpBB 23:43 <@rizen> nothing in ruby close to webgui either 23:43 < misterslurpey> i just want to edit my pages easily 23:43 < misterslurpey> and add new ones 23:43 <@rizen> the only things that are close to webgui are commercial apps 23:44 < misterslurpey> :( 23:44 <@rizen> that will cost you $10k or more in licensing fees 23:44 < SDuensin> That's a lot of $20 months. :-) 23:45 < misterslurpey> aww shucks 23:45 <@rizen> let me think 23:45 < misterslurpey> now i have to hope they will install Webby for me 23:45 <@rizen> i know some people really like joomla, but i find it clumbsy 23:45 <@rizen> and inflexible 23:45 < SDuensin> Joomla can do some neat things, but man, that admin interface has to GO! 23:46 <@rizen> you may want to conduct a search on cmsmatrix.org 23:46 < SDuensin> Two of my sites run Joomla at the moment. One is only a CSS issue away from being replaced. :-) 23:47 < misterslurpey> i looked on wiki there are so many 23:49 < misterslurpey> so im guessing Joomla then 23:50 < misterslurpey> it isnt up to date though. 23:53 < misterslurpey> nvm mind i found a good one 23:53 <@rizen> joomla is up to date...it's just made for small web sites 23:53 < SDuensin> Ok gang - time for me to bug out. Talk to you later! 23:53 <@rizen> what did you find? 23:53 < misterslurpey> i found mambo 23:53 < misterslurpey> rated best ease of use 23:54 < misterslurpey> rated best free soft ware :) 23:54 < SDuensin> Rated not against WebGUI. :-) 23:54 <@rizen> mambo and joomla are the same thing 23:54 < SDuensin> Joomla is the "new" Mambo, BTW. 23:54 <@rizen> or at least joomla is a fork of mambo 23:54 < misterslurpey> :o 23:54 <@rizen> it's rated highly because it's easy to install 23:54 <@rizen> and relatively easy to use 23:55 < misterslurpey> thats what i want :) 23:55 <@rizen> but it's very obtuse in many ways 23:55 <@rizen> and completely inflexible 23:55 < SDuensin> Yea. It's really not bad. But rizen is right - "obtuse" is a good word for it. 23:55 < misterslurpey> :o 23:55 <@rizen> it probably will work for your web site 23:55 < misterslurpey> okay 23:55 < misterslurpey> would problems might i run into 23:55 < misterslurpey> *what 23:55 <@rizen> it's message board system is kinda crapy though 23:56 < SDuensin> Being confused to no end by the admin interface. 23:56 <@rizen> it's not a bad system, but it's not good either 23:56 < SDuensin> misterslurpey - http://www.jaegertech.com and http://www.duensing.com are on Joomla/Mambo. 23:57 < misterslurpey> it looks so plain 23:57 < SDuensin> I never could get Duensing.com to look or behave like I wanted. JaegerTech is OK though. 23:57 < SDuensin> Well, "plain" is likely my design. 23:57 < misterslurpey> Oh. 23:58 < misterslurpey> well if there arent anything better that Joomla then i guess i have to use it 23:58 < SDuensin> Anyway, I'm going home. :-) 23:58 < misterslurpey> wait.. i remember this joomla 23:58 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@32.sub-75-206-194.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:58 < misterslurpey> it was confusing 23:59 < misterslurpey> :( 23:59 <@rizen> yeah, it's got a clunky admin interface 23:59 < misterslurpey> meh i give up --- Day changed Fri May 18 2007 00:00 < misterslurpey> now i want web gui more. 00:00 <@rizen> webgui is really your best bet...if you can get your hosts to install it for you 00:00 < misterslurpey> well i asked them if they did forums, and they said they would install it for me. so maybe 00:00 < misterslurpey> But i already installed a forum 00:01 <@rizen> have you tried out webgui's demo so you can see if you even like webgui? 00:01 < misterslurpey> yeah, i didnt understand how to install the message board. 00:05 < misterslurpey> well im going to bed. 00:05 < misterslurpey> thanks for the help 00:54 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:52 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 05:17 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 05:17 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 05:42 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 05:44 -!- wgGuest67 [n=wgGuest6@ppp102-174.static.internode.on.net] has joined #webgui 05:44 -!- wgGuest67 [n=wgGuest6@ppp102-174.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Client Quit] 07:43 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:39 -!- misterslurpey [n=Mistersl@mdsnwikwbas08-pool9-a133.mdsnwikw.tds.net] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Try something fresh"] 09:44 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 09:53 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:12 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 11:58 -!- jamestolley [i=jamestol@udp179836uds.hawaiiantel.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:02 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:46 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@194.171.50.114] has joined #webgui 13:46 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ 14:06 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:47 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@176.sub-75-204-52.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI 15:54 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:55 < SDuensin> Good morning. Friday at last! 15:59 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 15:59 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 16:03 <+Radix_> Friday sucked.. friday night is pretty good so far tho ;) 16:05 -!- ckotil [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has quit ["leaving"] 16:07 -!- midellaq [n=midellaq@hermes.wseurope.com] has joined #webgui 16:27 -!- Haaarg [n=haarg@24-177-123-127.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 16:27 -!- mode/#webgui [+o Haaarg] by ChanServ 16:27 -!- Haarg [n=haarg@24-177-123-127.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:34 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@ip70-189-104-178.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 16:40 <+MrHairgrease> rizen 16:40 <+MrHairgrease> awake already? 16:42 -!- ckotil [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has joined #webgui 16:54 < SDuensin> It's too early to be awake, MrHairgrease. 16:55 * MrHairgrease mumbles something about lazy americans 16:55 < SDuensin> Yea. We suck. 16:55 <+MrHairgrease> i know =) 17:02 <@rizen> i resemble that remark 17:03 < SDuensin> Hey! 17:03 <@rizen> can't a guy check his email and stuff before answering irc? 17:03 < SDuensin> NO! 17:03 <+MrHairgrease> NO! 17:03 <+MrHairgrease> =) 17:03 * SDuensin loads Adium, XChat, and THEN Mail. 17:03 <+MrHairgrease> what's the use of the cookieTTL setting? 17:03 <+MrHairgrease> it can interfere with the sessionTimeout setting 17:04 <@rizen> in most cases there isn't a use for it 17:04 <@rizen> but on some sites that do wierd single sign on stuff 17:04 <@rizen> it isn't enough to just have the session time out 17:04 <@rizen> they also need the cookie to go away 17:04 <+MrHairgrease> the thing is 17:04 <@rizen> otherwise people can still access the external apps 17:04 <+MrHairgrease> should the cookie go away when the session times out 17:05 <+MrHairgrease> eg. 17:05 <+MrHairgrease> i know a guy who set both to 1h 17:05 <+MrHairgrease> but the cookie ttl ismn't update on a page view 17:05 <+MrHairgrease> so people get logged out after an hour period 17:05 <@rizen> that's how it's supposed to work 17:05 <+MrHairgrease> an hour after their first pageview that is 17:06 <+MrHairgrease> ok 17:06 <+MrHairgrease> i was just checking 17:06 <@rizen> session length is only controlled by session time out 17:06 <@rizen> not cookie ttl 17:06 <@rizen> only use cookie ttl if you have a need for it 17:06 <@rizen> which most people don't 17:06 <+MrHairgrease> ok 17:07 <@rizen> incidentally 17:07 <@rizen> if you could controll the killing of the cookie reliably 17:08 <@rizen> then we could probably tie session timeout to cookie ttl 17:08 <@rizen> but i've found that it's not very reliable depending upon browser 17:08 <+MrHairgrease> ic 17:08 <@rizen> IE is the bane of my existence 17:09 <+MrHairgrease> i know 17:09 <+MrHairgrease> we're in the same boat 17:12 < SDuensin> It's a big boat. 17:29 <+MrHairgrease> anybody know how i can get webgui to put $self->session->errorHandler->info messages in the log? 17:35 <@preaction> i believe in WebGUI/etc/log.conf, change the loglevel to info 17:35 <+MrHairgrease> ok 17:35 <@preaction> er.. looks like change log4perl.logger = INFO, mainlog 18:09 <+MrHairgrease> does anybody have an idea what might cause a op=runWorkflow to fail with 400 Bad Request? 18:10 <@rizen> do you have info turn on in your logs? cuz that usually tells you 18:10 <+MrHairgrease> yeah 18:10 <+MrHairgrease> WORKFLOW: Response for 11EH-Rxg8AtUluclHgZJhg had a communications error. 18:11 <@rizen> that looks like the spectre side, not the webgui side 18:11 <+MrHairgrease> apparently $response->is_error is true 18:11 <+MrHairgrease> but what can cause that 18:11 <+MrHairgrease> ? 18:12 <+MrHairgrease> i does connect right? 18:12 <@preaction> anything from the 400-500 field of codes 18:12 <@rizen> if it's not connecting at all 18:12 <+MrHairgrease> or else no error could be returned anyway 18:12 <@rizen> oh right 18:12 <@rizen> you'd get a connect timeout 18:12 <@rizen> if it wasn't connecting 18:12 <+MrHairgrease> yeah 18:12 <+MrHairgrease> but not a 400 18:12 <@rizen> so maybe it's connecting...but not to the site you think it is 18:12 <+MrHairgrease> hmm 18:12 <@rizen> i'd run a curl 18:12 <+MrHairgrease> yeah 18:13 <+MrHairgrease> that must be it 18:13 <+MrHairgrease> they prolly messed up their sitenames in the conf 18:13 <+MrHairgrease> i cannot check it out right now 18:13 <+MrHairgrease> it's happening in some intranet 18:13 <+MrHairgrease> which is not accesible from outdie 18:13 <+MrHairgrease> outside 18:14 <+MrHairgrease> but maybe i can reqproduce 18:21 -!- nutrino [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has joined #webgui 18:21 -!- nutrino [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 18:24 <+MrHairgrease> hmm 18:25 <+MrHairgrease> wg returns 400 for unpriviledged users 18:26 <@rizen> your webgui maybe 18:26 <@rizen> not my webgui 18:26 <+MrHairgrease> sry 18:26 <@rizen> you never know what you lowbrow eurotrash are doing to your webguis 18:26 <+MrHairgrease> notMember 18:26 <@rizen> =) 18:26 <+MrHairgrease> you don't wanna know 18:27 <+MrHairgrease> but that can't be it 18:27 <+MrHairgrease> it's only being called in viewProfile 18:28 <@rizen> could it be a 4400 error? 18:29 <+MrHairgrease> what's that 18:29 <+MrHairgrease> do you mean 404? 18:29 <@rizen> where the future abducts your code, and sends it back to the past to prevent you from doing something really bad 18:29 <+MrHairgrease> no 18:29 <+MrHairgrease> that can't be it 18:30 <+MrHairgrease> timetravel is still in its infancy in the Netherlands 18:37 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Leaving."] 18:59 -!- midellaq [n=midellaq@hermes.wseurope.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:04 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@194.171.50.114] has left #webgui [] 19:26 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui 19:26 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ 19:47 -!- Haarg [n=haarg@24-177-123-127.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 19:47 -!- mode/#webgui [+o Haarg] by ChanServ 19:58 -!- Haaarg [n=haarg@24-177-123-127.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:06 <@preaction> would it break API if I started treating the arguments to WebGUI::User->profileField as a hash (so I can use the exists() function to set profile fields to NULL)? 21:07 <@preaction> or would it work better if i get the length of @_, and if it's greater than 1, set whatever value the second argument is? 21:08 <@preaction> same effect, really 21:11 <@rizen> are you asking if you can change it from a hash reference to a hash? 21:12 <@rizen> oh wait..it's neither right now 21:12 <@rizen> it's a scalr 21:12 <@rizen> scalar 21:17 <@preaction> yeah, if i treat it as a hash though, i can use exists. the trouble is that won't work (since the key always exists when you're getting the field), so i'll have to check @_ before shifting the field name 21:18 <@preaction> so if (@_ > 1) { $setField = 1; } $field = shift; $value = shift; if ($setField) { # save $value } 21:18 <@preaction> but, how much do you think people relied on the fact that you cannot use profileField() to set a field to NULL? 21:18 <@rizen> quite regularly 21:18 <@rizen> you can't do what you're saying 21:19 <@preaction> ki 21:19 <@rizen> oh wait...let me think about that for a sec 21:19 <@rizen> they use it to set empty 21:19 <@rizen> i don't know if they use it to set null 21:20 <@rizen> ok...let me give you my answer in the form of a test 21:20 <@rizen> if after the change i can set "firstName" to empty 21:20 <@preaction> you can set "" no problem, but not NULL. for some reason the Alumni code i've been changing to the new system does a raw db call to delete the entire entry (instead of just setting to "") 21:20 <@rizen> then we're good 21:20 <@rizen> exit 21:20 <@rizen> oops..wwrong window 21:21 <@preaction> after the change, yes, you'll still be able to set to "" 21:21 <@preaction> at least, i'll do some research on placeholders, but i believe NULL only gets used when undef, not when false 23:48 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@176.sub-75-204-52.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] --- Day changed Sat May 19 2007 00:35 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit ["Leaving."] 00:43 -!- jamestolley [i=jamestol@udp179836uds.hawaiiantel.net] has joined #webgui 00:44 < jamestolley> hello? MrHairgrease? I'm in need of some _expert_ SQLForms help! 00:47 <@preaction> jamestolley: did you register your nick w/ nickserv? i can't put you on the auto-op list until you do 00:55 < jamestolley> NAMES 00:56 <@preaction> beg pardon? 01:06 < jamestolley> anyone here? 01:07 <@preaction> apparently nobody besides me 01:13 * MrHairgrease is back 01:13 <+MrHairgrease> what's the problem? 01:13 <+MrHairgrease> oh 01:14 <+MrHairgrease> i got your email 01:14 <+MrHairgrease> i'll mail you back 01:20 <+MrHairgrease> james has email 01:32 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 02:33 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] 05:35 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 06:03 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@ip70-189-104-178.ok.ok.cox.net] has left #webgui [] 06:22 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: perlbot 09:03 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit ["Exit- stage left"] 09:05 -!- perlbot [n=perlbot@lv.pm.org] has joined #webgui 09:38 -!- jamestolley [i=jamestol@udp179836uds.hawaiiantel.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:36 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] --- Day changed Sun May 20 2007 00:45 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 02:55 -!- Haarg [n=haarg@24-177-123-127.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:56 -!- Haarg [n=haarg@24-177-123-127.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 02:56 -!- mode/#webgui [+o Haarg] by ChanServ 04:06 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 04:06 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 04:20 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] 04:40 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 04:40 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 04:44 -!- wgGuest20 [n=wgGuest2@216.19.178.82.novuscom.net] has joined #webgui 04:45 -!- wgGuest20 [n=wgGuest2@216.19.178.82.novuscom.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:10 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 05:31 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 05:31 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 08:32 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit ["Exit- stage left"] 14:24 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] 16:39 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 16:39 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 16:43 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 17:23 -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:00 -!- Klaus_ [n=Miranda@p57A5BED0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #webgui 19:00 -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #WEBGUI --- Day changed Mon May 21 2007 00:03 -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:38 -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui 01:15 -!- Klaus_1640 [n=Miranda@p57a58fee.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #webgui 01:17 -!- Klaus_1640 [n=Miranda@p57a58fee.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 01:17 -!- Klaus_1640 [n=Miranda@p57A58FEE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #webgui 01:18 -!- Klaus_1640 [n=Miranda@p57A58FEE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 01:31 -!- Klaus_ [n=Miranda@p57A5BED0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:22 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:03 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 04:03 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 04:04 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:26 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 09:48 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 09:59 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 11:00 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has left #webgui [] 11:42 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:12 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 13:29 -!- midellaq [n=midellaq@hermes.wseurope.com] has joined #webgui 14:09 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:24 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@127.sub-75-207-254.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI 16:30 < SDuensin> Good morning! 16:32 < xdanger> wau, new rambo trailer =D http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32721 17:17 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 17:17 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 17:33 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 18:00 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has left #webgui [] 18:13 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:14 -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has quit ["leaving"] 19:23 -!- midellaq [n=midellaq@hermes.wseurope.com] has left #webgui [] 19:24 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] --- Log closed Mon May 21 19:52:51 2007 --- Log opened Tue May 22 11:44:04 2007 11:44 -!- xdanger [i=xdanger@i.should.be.in.a.mentalhouse.net] has joined #webgui 11:44 -!- Irssi: #webgui: Total of 14 nicks [2 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal] 11:44 -!- Irssi: Join to #webgui was synced in 3 secs 14:13 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:02 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@93.sub-75-206-89.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI 16:11 < SDuensin> Greetings. 16:16 < pjesi> greetings SDuensin! 16:17 < SDuensin> Hey pjesi 16:19 < pjesi> I had some complains about the pages being cached too much in the browser 16:20 < pjesi> (clients forced to use ctrl f5 to see changes) 16:21 < pjesi> has this something to do with the stuff that webgui puts in the ? 16:23 < SDuensin> You running the latest WebGUI? I don't seem to have that problem. 16:24 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 16:24 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 16:27 < pjesi> the guy reporting the problem did not either, actually it is 7.3.12 16:58 < SDuensin> Sorry - was AFK 16:58 < SDuensin> Does he have some kind of proxy in the way? Maybe it's caching it. 17:04 <@rizen> pjesi...you need to upgrade 17:04 <@rizen> that was fixed 17:05 < SDuensin> Morning, rizen 17:05 <@rizen> is it morning already? 17:05 < pjesi> rizen: ok thanks 17:06 < SDuensin> Unfortunately, yes, it is. 17:06 <@rizen> crap...that means i missed an entire nights sleep again 17:06 <@rizen> need to stop that 17:07 < pjesi> rizen: was the problem in the HTTP head? 17:07 <@rizen> yeah, it was the way we were dealing with cache headers 17:08 < pjesi> I see 17:14 < pjesi> rizen: why does the update script need to be run as root, not the wre user? 17:15 < pjesi> I need to move from .12 to .17 but the sysadmin is an ass :) 17:16 <@rizen> it doesn't need to be 17:16 <@rizen> there is an --override option 17:16 <@rizen> however 17:17 <@rizen> if you're going to run the --override option 17:17 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 17:17 <@rizen> then you need to be aware that the the upgrade script won't be able to delete your cache or other stuff 17:17 <@rizen> so you should do --skipDelete as well 17:19 < pjesi> ok 18:02 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has left #webgui [] 18:16 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 20:00 -!- mlamar [n=mlamar@130.157.145.49] has joined #webgui 20:01 < mlamar> Hi guys 20:04 < SDuensin> Hello. 20:05 < mlamar> quiet around here :) 20:05 < SDuensin> Has been for a few days. Guess they're all hard at work! 20:06 < mlamar> ah. I had a question ... are you familiar with the changes to 7.3.17? 20:21 < SDuensin> Not really. I just upgraded and went on my merry way. 20:26 <@rizen> i'm mostly familiar with them 20:26 < SDuensin> hehehe 20:26 <@rizen> what do you need mlamar? 20:27 < mlamar> I am experiencing a permissions bug in 7.3.16, but I can't replicate it on the demo 20:28 < mlamar> so I was wondering if it was fixed in 17? 20:28 <@rizen> describe it 20:28 < mlamar> The problem is that when certain assets are created they get the default group to edit and group to view 20:28 < mlamar> (Admin and Everyone) 20:28 < mlamar> and cannot be reset 20:29 < mlamar> I can replicate, but am not yet sure what all the parameters are that cause the bug 20:29 <@rizen> can you define "certain assets" 20:29 < mlamar> I think it happens only under an existing version tag -- not when creating a new version 20:30 < mlamar> I've replicated it with File, Wiki and Article, so I don't think it's the asset type 20:30 <@rizen> and you're sure that the parent of those assets doesn't have those privs? 20:30 < mlamar> I think it has to do with versioning 20:30 < mlamar> yes positive 20:30 < mlamar> in fact when I create the object it looks like it has the right privs 20:30 < mlamar> but when I go edit it after creation, they are set to the defaults 20:31 <@rizen> interesting. and you say you can't replicate this on demo? 20:31 < mlamar> if you don't think you've fixed it, we'll try upgrading on one of our dev boxes and see if it fixes it 20:32 < mlamar> yes, I can't replicate on demo, so I don't know if 17 fixed it, or if something about the demo environment is preventing it 20:32 < mlamar> I can replicate it on server39 if you want to see it 20:33 <@rizen> the only thing i can think of that may have an impact on that is this change from 7.3.17: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=4082 20:33 < mlamar> which is www.csumathsuccess.org 20:33 <@rizen> i didn't fix the bug, Haarg did 20:33 <@rizen> Haarg, are you here? 20:34 <@Haarg> yeah 20:34 <@rizen> do you remember the bug fix listed above 20:34 <@rizen> ? 20:34 <@Haarg> yeah 20:34 <@rizen> will that fix the problem mlamar is discribing 20:34 <@rizen> describing 20:35 <@Haarg> i think so 20:36 <@rizen> there you go michele 20:36 < mlamar> ok, I'll try the upgrade and let you know if it doesn't fix it. 20:36 < mlamar> thanks! 20:36 <@Haarg> it was previously rejecting setting the group to any group with a old style id 20:49 -!- mlamar [n=mlamar@130.157.145.49] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:44 -!- Hinrik_ is now known as Hinrik 22:33 < ckotil> when an email is sent out to a group, will one also be sent to those users who belong to a group of a group? 22:34 <@rizen> depends upon how it was sent, but in most circumstances, yes 22:37 < ckotil> k 22:37 < ckotil> i assumed it would. 22:39 < ckotil> im trying to hack up the request approval for version tag activity so that i can send out a single email to an address. rather than send an individual email to each user. 22:39 < ckotil> i COULD set everyones email to the list, but i cant guarentee the list can handle all that email 22:39 < ckotil> ive been absolutely swamped here at work. 22:40 < ckotil> spent half the day today setting up nagios configs 23:17 -!- nutrino [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has joined #webgui 23:18 -!- nutrino [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 23:42 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@93.sub-75-206-89.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] --- Day changed Wed May 23 2007 00:53 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:29 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 01:51 <@rizen> good news peeps 01:51 <@rizen> we'll be branching for 7.4 tomorrow 01:51 <@rizen> after 7.3.18 is released 01:52 <@preaction> woohoo! 01:54 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@ip70-189-104-178.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 02:06 < SDuensin> WHOOOOOOOOOO! 02:10 <@rizen> i can't wait 02:10 <@rizen> i'm so happy we're finally going to get to start working on 7.4 02:15 < SDuensin> I'm happy, too! 02:15 < SDuensin> I believe I saw "new commerce system" and "PayPal" on the roadmap. :-) 02:15 <@rizen> not for 7.4 02:15 < SDuensin> Hmmm. Nuts. 02:15 <@rizen> the roadmap needs to be updated 02:15 < SDuensin> DOH! 02:16 < SDuensin> I'd settle for an old commerce system and PayPal. :-) 02:16 <@rizen> unfortunately the old ecommerce system and paypal aren't compatible 02:16 <@rizen> otherwise it would already be there 02:17 <@rizen> that's part of the reason for a rewrite 02:17 <@rizen> cuz i want paypal there too 02:17 <@rizen> so bad i can taste it 02:17 < SDuensin> PayPal was kinda weird last time I looked at the API. 02:17 <@rizen> the current ecommerce system is designed for traditional "back-end" cc processors 02:18 <@rizen> where we provide the ui 02:18 <@rizen> and just pass the info along to the processor 02:18 <@rizen> paypal requires that you use their front end 02:18 <@rizen> so that's the problem 02:18 <@rizen> the commerce system doesn't know how to hand off the transaction to paypals front end 02:18 <@rizen> it can only do backend processors 02:18 < SDuensin> I thought they had an API that you could completely bypass their site? 02:19 <@rizen> they recently bought out payflowpro so i don't know what that adds 02:19 <@rizen> but no, their original api just allowed you to integrate with their front end 02:19 <@rizen> it didn't allow you to bypass it 02:19 < SDuensin> PayWhoHuh? Man. I should read those developer notes they mail out. :-) 02:20 <@rizen> besides...even if i could do it now 02:20 <@rizen> i wouldn't 02:21 <@rizen> cuz then i'd just have to redo it after i redo the commerce systemm 02:21 <@rizen> cuz that's not all that needs to be changed 02:21 <@rizen> we also need to add in support for taxes 02:21 <@rizen> we need to be able to do arbitrary settlements (like donate whatever you feel like it) 02:22 <@rizen> we need to do ad-hoc products sales (combos, bundles, configure and buy, etc 02:22 <@rizen> and we need the commerce system to be able to talk back to assets 02:22 < SDuensin> You're not kidding about an overhaul. 02:22 <@rizen> so that you can create a custom asset for some commerce function 02:23 <@rizen> yup it's a biggie 02:23 <@rizen> oh, and finally we need to merge the product asset with the product manager 02:23 <@rizen> it's stupid that we have two 02:23 <@rizen> that's my fault 02:24 <@rizen> i'm not saying necessarily that all those features need to be added right away 02:24 <@rizen> but we at least need the hooks for them 02:24 <@rizen> so that they can be added 02:24 <@rizen> and currently they can't 02:24 <@rizen> even adding the hooks is major surgery 02:25 < SDuensin> I hear that. I have a database editor I'm writing that is undergoing major surgery at the moment. It's hell. 02:42 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@ip70-189-104-178.ok.ok.cox.net] has left #webgui [] 02:46 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 02:46 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 03:53 <+Radix-wrk> rizen: what was the perl book you recommended to me/others a while back for getting started with perl? 09:32 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 09:34 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 10:39 <@rizen> the little black perl book 10:44 <@rizen> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/1932111921/index.html 11:16 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:21 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:57 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Hinrik, nuba, diakopter 12:58 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Hinrik, diakopter, nuba 13:56 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 16:15 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Leaving."] 16:46 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@120.sub-75-207-12.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI 16:47 < SDuensin> Good morning. 16:49 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 16:55 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 17:06 <@rizen> good afternoon 17:07 < SDuensin> Afternoon?! 17:07 * SDuensin thinks rizen needs a new watch. 17:08 < xdanger> or he's in europa 17:09 < AMH_bob> Goedemiddag 17:10 <@rizen> bob? 17:11 < AMH_bob> And yes, it's a decent 4pm here! 17:11 < AMH_bob> Goedemiddag == Good afternoon 17:13 <@rizen> i can almost see it in there " good mid day" 17:13 < AMH_bob> :-D 18:04 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Leaving."] 19:08 < ckotil> will .18 see the light today? 19:55 < ckotil> how big is the plainblack.com instanct of webgui all tar'd up? 19:56 < ckotil> mine just shot up to 2 gigs 19:56 < ckotil> bc of this new file repository. 19:57 < ckotil> seems the windows xp iso has some revision entries, for some odd reason. 19:57 < SDuensin> XP ISO? Why on earth would you want to save that? :-) 19:58 < ckotil> its corp. edition 19:58 < ckotil> and theres a key w/ it. 19:58 < ckotil> just in case anyone needs to burn a copy 19:58 < SDuensin> Yea, but man, it's still Windows. :-P 19:59 < ckotil> some of my users expressed interest in it 19:59 < ckotil> so heres the wierd thing. when i was backing up, i saw the iso appear at elast twice . 19:59 < SDuensin> Ah, well, that makes it a training issue. :-) 19:59 < ckotil> and there are no revisions for it. 19:59 < ckotil> WebGUI.Backup.5.23.07.tar.gz 100% 1923MB 18.1MB/s 01:46 20:00 < SDuensin> That looks like my good friend NCFTP! 20:00 < ckotil> scp ;) 20:00 < SDuensin> :-) 20:01 < SDuensin> I've been doing all my backups with BackupPC lately. Cool program. 20:01 < ckotil> ya, i remember you saying that. 20:01 < ckotil> i use retrospect 20:01 < ckotil> bc it does mac, pc, and linux 20:01 < SDuensin> Funny, that's why I use BackupPC. :-D 20:02 < ckotil> heh 20:02 < ckotil> hows the reporting/monitoring of backupPC? 20:03 < ckotil> retrospect is pretty damn cryptic 20:03 < SDuensin> I wish it had more "in progress" information so you knew how far along it was, but otherwise it's really nice. 20:03 < ckotil> heh. 20:03 < ckotil> retrospect is the opposite, it tells you abaout EVERY minor thing. 20:03 < SDuensin> http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/info.html#screenShots 20:04 < ckotil> for instance, if a file changes sizes when the backup starts on it from the time it finishes. thats an error. 20:04 < ckotil> usually happens to log or cache files 20:05 < ckotil> it looks nice. 20:05 < ckotil> backupPC that is 20:19 < SDuensin> Yea. I like it. 21:04 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has joined #webgui 21:05 < cap10morgan> I have a wobject that is based on DataForm, but when I create prototypes of them, the fields in the form aren't preserved (i.e. it starts w/ the default fields regardless of what were added/removed in the prototype) 21:06 < cap10morgan> is there some API i need to use to make sure that stuff gets carried over when prototyped? 21:06 <@rizen> you can't prototype collateral data 21:07 <@rizen> only the basic asset properties 21:08 < cap10morgan> oh, bummer... 21:09 < cap10morgan> maybe i should just make a parent class and then subclass the different types i need then as separate wobjects 21:12 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat056.mxim.com] has joined #webgui 21:12 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 21:12 <+perlDreamer> hey, folks! 21:13 <@rizen> howdy 21:16 <+perlDreamer> I see the channel is still hopping. 21:19 <@rizen> it's a little busier in the mornings it seems 21:22 <@rizen> hell in a handbasket' 21:22 <+perlDreamer> what's up? 21:22 <+perlDreamer> release problems? 21:22 <@rizen> i was just thinking that since i'm due to leave in 3 hours and going to be gone for 1 week 21:22 <@rizen> right about now is the time for something to go to hell in a handbasket 21:23 <+perlDreamer> Do you want something specific to happen, or just something in general? 21:23 <@rizen> hopefully nothing happens 21:23 <@rizen> i want nothing to happen 21:25 <+perlDreamer> I'll do what I can if there's a problem, and swear, affirm and avow not to cause any problems above and beyond what I normally do through incompetence and stubbornness. 21:25 <@rizen> hehe 21:30 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 21:30 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 21:34 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has left #webgui [] 21:52 -!- rizen changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.3.18 | WRE 0.7.2 ] - Let 7.4 dev begin! 21:52 <+perlDreamer> Time to merge tonight! 21:57 <@rizen> colin...(or anybody) do you know how to merge a file from one branch into another? is it as simple as just doing a copy? 22:15 <@preaction> it's probably a matter of diff and patch 22:15 < ckotil> w00t. 7.3.18 22:19 <@rizen> no what i mean is that there's a file in one branch 22:19 <@rizen> that doesn't exist in the other 22:19 <@rizen> so i just want to copy it over there 22:21 < ckotil> pd: thanks for fixing that bug with the synopsis inheritance. that was killing my users acceptance of the file repository 22:26 <@preaction> oh, a straight copy will suffice with that 23:34 <+perlDreamer> rizen: merging in general http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/svn.branchmerge.copychanges.html 23:36 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 23:38 <+perlDreamer> ckotil: wake up! 23:50 < ckotil> yo 23:50 <+perlDreamer> I've looked through the folder code, and don't see a way to "leak" the synopsis into a folder 23:50 <+perlDreamer> How about checking the asset properties for those folders to see if they have the same synopsis as the parent? 23:50 < ckotil> sure thing. 23:51 < ckotil> OK, right now i have a parent folder asset, and 2 children folder assets along with many children file assets. 23:51 < ckotil> none of them have meta data summaries 23:52 < ckotil> ill add a meta data summary to the parent 23:52 < ckotil> it appears in the summary of the children folder assets 23:53 < ckotil> and doesnt even appear in the summary of the parent, when i view it as the child of a parent folder asset. 23:53 < ckotil> follow? 23:53 <+perlDreamer> Yes. 23:53 < ckotil> kinda seems like the template is looking one level too high for the synopsis 23:53 <+perlDreamer> Folders do not display summaries :) 23:54 < ckotil> the children are displaying the summary forthe parent. 23:55 < ckotil> it'd be nice for the folder to display its meta data summary so that, it could read 'file type XXX belongs in here' 23:56 <+perlDreamer> that would be an RFE 23:56 <+perlDreamer> are you running 7.3.18? 23:56 < ckotil> right. 23:56 < ckotil> yup 23:57 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@120.sub-75-207-12.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:57 <+perlDreamer> what does line 191 look like in lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Folder.pm ? 23:57 <+perlDreamer> restart the webserver, flush the cache? 23:57 <+perlDreamer> I tested this fix pretty carefully 23:58 < ckotil> synopsis=>$child->get("synopsis") || '', 23:58 < ckotil> yes, i did it all. 23:58 < ckotil> the fix works. just that folder assets still inherit the parents summary 23:58 < ckotil> at least if the parent is another folder asset --- Day changed Thu May 24 2007 00:00 < ckotil> prior to the fix all assets would inherit the summary. 00:00 <+perlDreamer> Did you see the thread on the dev list about this? 00:00 < ckotil> no. 00:00 <+perlDreamer> Please give it a quick read. 00:00 < ckotil> ok 00:00 <+perlDreamer> rizen wanted it to behave the way that it originally did. 00:01 <+perlDreamer> where children would "show", but not have, the parent's synopsis 00:01 < ckotil> oh i guess i did 00:01 <+perlDreamer> Now, folders are different 00:01 <+perlDreamer> the subfolder template loop does not define any synopsis variable, so it inherits the one from the parent. 00:02 < ckotil> i think there should be a checkbox that says inherit parent synopsis? 00:02 < ckotil> ok, so i need to hack up my instance more, and add the synopsis variable? 00:02 <+perlDreamer> either that, or just remove it from the template 00:03 <+perlDreamer> rizen can decide if this is an RFE or a bug 00:03 < ckotil> heh that reminds me, after upgrading today theres a lot of changes i gotta make. 00:03 <+perlDreamer> how come? 00:03 < ckotil> well i need it in the template, this is for my file repository 00:03 < ckotil> its good to have meta data 00:03 <+perlDreamer> indeed 00:03 <@rizen> there will be no switches, period 00:03 < ckotil> my webgui instance is becoming very customized. 00:03 < ckotil> so every upgrade i gotta make the change again 00:03 <@rizen> as i described on the dev list 00:03 < ckotil> ya ya. 00:04 < ckotil> thats fine. 00:04 <@rizen> if you want a variable 00:04 <@rizen> to come through the loop 00:04 <@rizen> then either the variable in the loop with the same name 00:04 <@rizen> or the outside variable 00:04 <@rizen> has to be renamed 00:04 <@rizen> that's it 00:04 <@rizen> that's the only valid solution 00:04 <+perlDreamer> the subfolder loop doesn't define a synopsis variable for child folders 00:04 <+perlDreamer> would that be a bug or an RFE? 00:04 <@rizen> it's a new feature 00:04 <@rizen> rfe 00:05 <+perlDreamer> note that the default template does call one out. 00:05 <@rizen> just cuz it doesn't do something you want it to do doesn't make it a bug 00:05 <@rizen> ok, allow me to rephrase. 00:05 <@rizen> this is so insiginificant in the greater scheme of things that i wish not to be bothered by it...do what you want 00:06 <+perlDreamer> gotcha 00:06 < ckotil> thanks anyway 00:08 <@rizen> note that i'm not angry at either of you, just short on time, and could care less about something this small 00:10 < ckotil> of course. 00:10 < ckotil> we knew that 00:24 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has left #webgui [] 00:30 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit ["Exit- stage left"] 01:18 <@preaction> what would the consequences be if I added another index to the webgui core? adding an index on the userId column of groupings has drastically improved an expensive query against that table 01:19 <@rizen> no consequences as long as you don't name your index the same as i name indexes 01:19 <@rizen> all indexes in the core are named field1_field2_field3 01:19 <@rizen> field names separated by underscores 01:19 <@rizen> oh wait 01:19 <@rizen> are you saying adding this to the webgui core 01:20 <@rizen> or to this one app? 01:20 <@rizen> isn't this query only used by one custom app for one client? 01:20 <@rizen> if so, wouldn't it make more sense to just add the index for them 01:20 <@rizen> called it client_field1_field2_field3 01:21 <@rizen> alter table add index client_field1_field2_field3 (field1, field2, field3); 01:21 <@preaction> it's the contact info tool on the alumni site, yes. but any queries which join the groupings table based only on the userId (getting every group the user is in, so later, in the where clause we can limit them) would probably benefit from this 01:22 <@preaction> i suppose though, if it ain't broke don't fix it 01:22 <@rizen> userId is a primary key 01:22 <@rizen> so it already has it's own index 01:23 <@rizen> oh, but you're saying you want only "userId" in the index an nothing else 01:23 <@preaction> its a dual key with groupId, so only if you're using both will it use the index 01:23 <@rizen> in that case sure add it to the core 01:23 <@rizen> but that doesn't change the fact that you need it on that client site right now, right? 01:24 <@preaction> right, i already made the change on their site 01:24 <@rizen> but make sure that y ou don't name it the same on their site 01:24 <@rizen> so that way the upgrade goes smooth 01:24 <@preaction> which probably means some finagling to make sure the index doesn't already exist (in case other people had this same idea) 01:24 <@rizen> either that or check for it's existence 01:24 <@preaction> at any rate, it'll go on my to-do list after the merge of 7.4 01:24 <@preaction> have fun at the wedding 01:24 <@rizen> bleh 01:25 <@rizen> later 01:25 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] 01:25 <@preaction> i nominate haarg to play the part of rizen while he's away 01:26 <+perlDreamer> Haarg seems to be the strong, silent type. 01:26 <+perlDreamer> We need someone more vocal for $rizen->clone(); 01:27 <@Haarg> i don't think i want that job 01:27 <@preaction> perlbot be rizen 01:27 < perlbot> WHY USE PEARL!? C IS FASTAR?!?!? 01:27 <@preaction> hmm... doesn't capture the essense 01:28 <+perlDreamer> perlbot be preaction 01:28 < perlbot> WHY USE PEARL!? C IS FASTAR?!?!? 01:28 <+perlDreamer> I think his needle is stuck 01:28 * perlDreamer slaps perlbot with a halibut 01:28 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: wake up, d00d! 01:28 <@preaction> perlbot be perlDreamer 01:28 < perlbot> Hi, can I paste this very long script I downloaded and let you fix it for me plz?? 01:29 <+perlDreamer> that's almost true to form! 01:30 <@preaction> oh, and for the record, mysql performance tuning is more of a pain in the brain than debugging php 01:35 <+perlDreamer> try writing Perl 6... 01:44 <@preaction> i love p6's syntax, i can't wait until it's ready for prime-time 01:45 <@preaction> of course, some have said that parrot is turning into vaporware 01:50 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:53 <+perlDreamer> I've spent about two weeks trying to volunteer to write tests for them 01:54 <+perlDreamer> Large parts of it are still unspecced 01:54 <+perlDreamer> Larger parts are undocumented 02:01 <+perlDreamer> It's been frustrating. 02:17 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-140.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui 02:26 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 02:27 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] 02:41 -!- perlbot [n=perlbot@lv.pm.org] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:41 -!- perlbot [n=perlbot@lv.pm.org] has joined #webgui 02:53 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat056.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 04:10 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@formsys.com] has joined #webgui 04:10 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 04:11 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@formsys.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:11 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 04:12 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 06:07 -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has joined #webgui 06:07 * PedersenMJ waves. 06:51 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-140.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has left #webgui [] 08:44 -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has quit [] 09:40 -!- ckotil [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:41 -!- ckotil [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has joined #webgui 10:01 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 10:05 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 10:05 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 10:30 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] 11:58 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:07 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:07 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 13:33 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Leaving."] 14:20 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:23 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users, it has hostages."] 16:30 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 16:30 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix_] by ChanServ 16:41 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@24.sub-75-206-132.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI 16:54 < SDuensin> Greetings. 16:54 <+Radix_> Hiya SD 16:59 < SDuensin> Hey Radix_ 17:03 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 17:04 < xdanger> O joy.. I just didn't notice that webgui's upgrade related backups contain "USE 'webgui_domain_com';" line and was importing that to a different db, and it overwroted to original... 17:04 < SDuensin> Ouch. 17:04 < xdanger> and, no, I don't have a fresh backup... 17:05 < xdanger> 13days old is the newest... 17:05 < SDuensin> Ouch^2. 17:05 < xdanger> (I was just testing a new backups) 17:06 < xdanger> That client isn't going to like me... 17:06 < xdanger> Well one of theis employee isn't =) 17:07 < xdanger> Her job is to type all the info to the site from excel and/or paper forms ;) 17:07 <+Radix_> yikes 17:15 < xdanger> and what did we learn from this... BACKUP, BACKUP and BACKUP 17:15 < xdanger> and backup everything before you do anything with mysql =) 17:17 <+Radix_> I do four hourly backups at work :) 17:17 <+Radix_> make a complete tar.gz and sql dump every four hours 17:18 <+Radix_> that's on the machine itself tho - every night the latest one gets stored off on our backup drive which gets mirrored and a copy taken offsite every week 17:32 < pjesi> xdanger: welcome to the club 17:57 < perlmonkey2> xdanger, if she is typing info manually from excel/paper, why not give her something to automate that task? 17:57 < perlmonkey2> Perl has a half way decent excel library. 17:58 < xdanger> They haven't asked... and I belive that they're not willing to pay for it.. 18:06 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 18:06 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:30 < pjesi> but then she has nothing to do 18:30 < pjesi> :) 18:32 < xdanger> she's some intern or something... 18:57 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 18:57 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 19:46 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 19:46 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix_] by ChanServ 19:46 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:11 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat056.mxim.com] has joined #webgui 20:11 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 21:26 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 21:26 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:41 < ckotil> a variable of mine when i try to print it, displays this: WebGUI::Inbox::Message=HASH(0xc03821c) 21:41 < ckotil> how do i get the contents of that hash? 21:58 < ckotil> $self->get("bleh"); 21:59 < SDuensin> Sorry ckotil - I'm a Perl n00b. 22:06 < ckotil> me too ;) 22:13 <@preaction> perldoc perldsc or perldoc perlref (that's an object) 22:13 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] 22:14 < SDuensin> Easy for him to say. 22:15 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 22:16 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 22:16 < xdanger> use the Data::Dumper luke! 22:17 < xdanger> (my favorite debuggin tool ;)) 22:20 < SDuensin> printf()! 22:39 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:06 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 23:06 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix_] by ChanServ 23:06 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:09 <+perlDreamer> ckotil, what you're getting is a hash reference. 23:09 <+perlDreamer> that is an object 23:09 <+perlDreamer> so, you could try dereferencing it 23:09 <+perlDreamer> $session->errorHandler->warn( Data::Dumper $ckotil_hash_ref); 23:21 <@preaction> also may want to read the docs on WebGUI::Inbox::Mail to see what methods you can run on it 23:22 <@preaction> cd /data/WebGUI/lib; perldoc WebGUI::Inbox::Mail; # <-- will suffice if you don't want the pesky code to get in the way 23:22 <@preaction> JT says that soon the WRE will provide a mechanism to browse the perldoc for WebGUI in HTML, so I hope he gets working on that 23:35 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@ip70-189-104-178.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 23:58 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@24.sub-75-206-132.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] --- Day changed Fri May 25 2007 00:37 <+perlDreamer> preaction: that would be pretty easy to do 00:37 <+perlDreamer> just configure a passThruUrl for a dir in the root 00:37 <+perlDreamer> then run podToHtml on the core and dump it in there 00:46 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 00:46 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:48 <@preaction> i RFE'd that and JT said no 00:49 <@preaction> because he's going to make that WRE module 00:49 <@preaction> it's only like 50-100k of docs, but anyway 01:36 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] 01:53 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 02:26 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 02:26 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix_] by ChanServ 02:26 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:30 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat056.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 04:06 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 04:06 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:07 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 04:07 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 04:55 < xdanger> Is the "timed" content feature been removed from webgui? 04:56 < xdanger> that it displays some asset only between startDate and endDate? 04:56 -!- Irssi: #webgui: Total of 13 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 1 voices, 11 normal] 04:57 <+Radix-wrk> yeah, that got removed in the upgrade to WG7 I think 05:08 < xdanger> damn... that would be a nice feature for my next project... 05:08 <+Radix-wrk> You could probably write a workflow to do much the same 05:09 < xdanger> It wouldn't be that hard to add... Just add a colum to assetData and run a workflow against that 05:09 < xdanger> Something like Archive on date functionality 05:10 <+Radix-wrk> you could use asset::creationDate 05:11 <+Radix-wrk> if asset::creationDate > xxx move asset to archived portion of the nav tree or something 05:12 <+Radix-wrk> Just have to be really careful with the stock webgui assets and templates, as you probably don't want to remove them 05:14 -!- wgGuest70 [n=wgGuest7@c-71-204-234-210.hsd1.sc.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 05:15 < wgGuest70> Hey guys 05:16 < wgGuest70> Does anyone know if Powweb supports WebGui? 05:19 <+Radix-wrk> No idead 05:19 <+Radix-wrk> idea 05:21 <+Radix-wrk> You could ask them, but I think you'll find most hosting accounts don't support webgui unless you can install your own perl libraries and have full shell access 05:34 < wgGuest70> so, in most instances, its limited strictly to dedicated servers? 05:39 <+Radix-wrk> or hosting servers where you can either install your own perl libraries or get the admins to do it for you. There are also a number of webgui hosting providers too, including plainblack themselves 05:45 -!- wgGuest70 [n=wgGuest7@c-71-204-234-210.hsd1.sc.comcast.net] has quit [] 05:46 -!- wgGuest23 [n=wgGuest2@c-71-204-234-210.hsd1.sc.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 05:46 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 05:46 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix_] by ChanServ 05:46 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:49 -!- wgGuest23 [n=wgGuest2@c-71-204-234-210.hsd1.sc.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:50 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 06:18 < nuba> heh i remember my first webgui install on a remote site 06:18 < nuba> using cgitelnet.pl 06:19 <+Radix-wrk> lol 06:19 < nuba> cause there was no shell 06:20 < nuba> to install missing modules on the server, i had to install them in a machine i had with the same architecture and kernel and perl, then upload inside webgui's lib 06:21 < nuba> cause i just couldn't find a way to run cpan with cgitelnet 06:21 <+Radix-wrk> heh 06:21 < nuba> besides, i knew little of perl or *nix by then 06:21 < nuba> that was webgui 5.x 06:22 < nuba> thats not something you can do with the 7.x on a cheapo hosting plan with no shell etc 06:22 <+Radix-wrk> yeah, you could get that working without mod-perl in those days.. now you need mod-perl/apache2/mysql5, etc.. 06:22 < nuba> lots of stuff in the apache config now 06:23 < nuba> lots of reqs 06:23 < nuba> yup 06:24 < nuba> then, my second webgui install, in a local machine, i was in heaven 06:24 < nuba> it was all so simple, so easy to figure it out 06:24 <+Radix-wrk> I first started with 5.x myself.. 06:25 < nuba> do you have the expression 'donkey in the living room' in the US ? 06:25 < nuba> we have something like that here 06:25 <+Radix-wrk> bull in a china shop? 06:25 <+Radix-wrk> I'm not from the US btw :) 06:25 < nuba> thats how it was, installing webgui in a local machine, after suffering for days on a remote server with no shell 06:26 <+Radix-wrk> I bet :) 06:26 < nuba> well the saying its for when you get a difficult situation, add something to make it even worse, then later you remove that something, and the first situation now all of a sudden looks much nicer 06:27 <+Radix-wrk> I was in heaven after I discovered the WRE personally :) 06:28 <+Radix-wrk> I'd been hacking it up with debian and apt-get'ing some perl packages and using cpan for the rest previously.. was a nightmare 06:28 < nuba> well once i got the gist of it, it was easy 06:28 < nuba> actually i had to go thru a lot, read a lot, experiment, look at the code, the database, etc.. 06:29 < nuba> then at some point i told my boss: i cant take no more, please buy the 'rulling webgui' ebook 06:29 < nuba> he did it, then soon i realized it was too late, i had already learned all the stuff on the ebook, the hard way 06:30 <+Radix-wrk> heh 06:30 <+Radix-wrk> I managed to get my boss to get a support contract 06:30 < nuba> nice 06:42 <+Radix-wrk> sorry.. was afk 06:43 <+Radix-wrk> I learnt heaps once I sat reading everyone's support questions and the answers 06:45 < nuba> i did something like that too 06:45 < nuba> read everything in the public support forums 06:46 < nuba> 'till the last page 07:12 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@ip70-189-104-178.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 07:27 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 07:27 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:42 < nuba> 'night folks 08:01 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit ["Exit- stage left"] 09:07 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 09:07 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix_] by ChanServ 09:07 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:29 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 09:47 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 10:47 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 10:47 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:39 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:27 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 12:27 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix_] by ChanServ 12:27 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:11 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has left #webgui [] 14:13 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:37 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 15:41 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 15:41 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:42 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@142.sub-75-207-129.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI 15:44 < AMH_bob> Good morning! 15:48 < SDuensin> Good morning! 17:01 -!- xootom [n=tom@195.224.29.66] has joined #webgui 17:08 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@ip70-189-104-178.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 17:13 -!- xootom [n=tom@195.224.29.66] has left #webgui [] 17:22 < ckotil> bah. snmpd that ships with osx server + the xserve doesnt work. Thanks APPLE! 17:28 < ckotil> :x had a bunk config 17:32 < SDuensin> Probably works with other Macs. 17:37 < AMH_bob> I gave up on doing non-apple/non-adobe stuff on a mac. Trying to use Mac OS X Server version 10.2.8 as webserver was a big wake-up call.... 17:42 < SDuensin> Hmm - not had problems with Apache on a Mac. 17:44 < AMH_bob> It wasn't really apache that was the problem.... but the GUI's from Apple an the 'special'scripts that 'repaired' configurations at startup 17:45 < SDuensin> Oh yea. Well, I don't have OS X Server, so I don't have those tools. 17:45 < AMH_bob> I ended up having to do everything with the commandline... after doing that for three years I moved to Linux :P 17:46 < SDuensin> I went the other way. I treat OS X like I used to do Linux. :-) 17:47 < AMH_bob> Don't get me wrong, I love my Mac and will keep one at home because it is without doubt the best desktop computer in the world. 17:47 < AMH_bob> But for what I'm doing professionally, I preffer Linux 17:48 < SDuensin> Well, my WebGUI is running on CentOS, but I do all my dev for it on my Mac with Coda. 17:49 < AMH_bob> Coda, don't know that one - the program from panic? (Googled it) 17:50 < SDuensin> Yea 17:50 < SDuensin> I do my templates and stuff in it. 17:50 < AMH_bob> Looks good, I'll check that out!!! 17:50 < AMH_bob> I really love TextMate on the Mac - too bad that they won't make that for Linux 17:50 < SDuensin> BBIAF 18:01 -!- Hinrik_ [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui 18:02 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@194.171.50.114] has joined #webgui 18:02 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ 18:05 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 18:11 -!- Hinrik__ [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui 18:14 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 18:14 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 18:15 -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:21 -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui 18:25 -!- Hinrik_ [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection 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#webgui 06:24 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui 06:24 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 06:24 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: seen preaction 06:24 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: help 06:24 < perlbot> (fact) : tell (who) about (what) : (what) > (who) : learn (what) as (info) : relearn (fact) as (info) : phone (phone #) : shorten (url) : shorten it : search (keyword) : cpan (module) : docs (module) : perldoc -f (function) : jargon (term) : math (expr): fortune : flip : host (type) (record) : rot13 (text) : roll (die) : tempconv (temp) : scramble (foo) : 8ball (question) : slap (who) : diss (who) : top/bottom (number) karma : geoip (ip) 06:26 <+perlDreamer> preaction: when the calendar creates the date for the end of the month, it adds 1 month to the start of the month. 06:26 <+perlDreamer> why not 1 month - 1 second? 06:27 <@preaction> it was changed because 1 month - 1 second seemed to not work 06:27 <+perlDreamer> I'd like to ask why, but let me explain why I asked first 06:27 <+perlDreamer> I'm working on the Calendar bug from Graham, about events that span months 06:27 <+perlDreamer> they only show up on the second month 06:28 <+perlDreamer> that's because when they span, they're assigned the end date 06:28 <+perlDreamer> which is in the next month 06:28 <+perlDreamer> which has a day of month of 0 06:28 <+perlDreamer> so in the final loop in the viewMonth, it goes from day_of_month_0(start date) .. 0 06:28 <+perlDreamer> which doesn't run since the range is backwards 06:29 <+perlDreamer> How didn't 1month- 1 second not work? 06:29 <@preaction> didn't we fix this by using rata die instead of day_of_month? 06:29 <@preaction> or the julian date or something similar? 06:30 <+perlDreamer> No, we fixed it a completely different way 06:30 <+perlDreamer> if the end date of a returned event is after the end date of the window, it gets assigned to the window. 06:30 <@preaction> and if the startdate is before the startdate of the window? 06:30 <+perlDreamer> likewise 06:31 <@preaction> so that fix isn't working? 06:31 <+perlDreamer> it works fine, aside from the bug mentioned above 06:32 <@preaction> and now i don't even remember why i changed it, i think it was something to do with the week view and the events that span weeks not working correctly 06:33 <+perlDreamer> ah, now I did look at the week view 06:33 <+perlDreamer> it uses +7 days - 1 second 06:33 <@preaction> or events that occur on the last day of the month not working correctly 06:34 <+perlDreamer> We need a testing package for the Calendar with all these corner cases already set up. 06:35 <+perlDreamer> I can check the logs for the Calendar, would that help? 06:35 <+perlDreamer> Maybe I should leave it for the professionals to fix :) 06:35 <@preaction> yeah, i'm taking a day tomorrow and a day monday to get the 7.4 prebranch stuff in, i'll add some calendar unit testing to my list 06:38 <+perlDreamer> okay, I'll add to the bug what I've found, just for tracking purposes. 06:38 <+perlDreamer> What kind of stuff are you going to check in? 06:39 <@preaction> new user profile system that uses a normalized table 06:39 <@preaction> the fix to the calendar for event permissions 06:39 <@preaction> i think the paginator got some new stuff 06:39 <+perlDreamer> I just checked in some stuff for 7.4 for the Paginator. 06:39 <+perlDreamer> Optimizations and refactoring 06:41 <+perlDreamer> I hope it doesn't make merging a headache for you. 06:43 <@preaction> eh, it should all be fine. i saved my changes as a patch, but there are a few changes that are the complete files i'll have to make my own patches 06:44 <+perlDreamer> cool 06:45 <+perlDreamer> Can you tell me a little about the normalization for the user profile? How is it normalized? 06:47 <@preaction> one column per user profile field 06:47 <@preaction> instead of doing the crap fieldName, fieldData 06:48 <+perlDreamer> so, basically folding multiple rows into multiple columns? 06:48 <@preaction> yeah 06:49 <+perlDreamer> That should make outside queries much easier. How is it on performance? 06:49 <@preaction> insanely better 06:49 <+perlDreamer> Sweet! Do the user tests still pass? 06:49 <@preaction> didn't check the tests, no 06:49 <@preaction> that goes on the list 06:49 <+perlDreamer> Thanks, man. 06:50 <+perlDreamer> They're probably fine. 06:50 <@preaction> if they do any raw queries of the userProfileData table, then they're going to fail 06:51 <+perlDreamer> well, in that case they're going to fail. There are 3 queries against that table. But they're easy enough to fix. 06:53 <+perlDreamer> I miss the smoke tests 06:54 <@preaction> yeah... i don't know what's up 06:55 <+perlDreamer> JT said he'd look at it, but I know he's busy with training people. 06:55 <+perlDreamer> First Nik, then James 06:55 <+perlDreamer> plus, he's in Mexico now 06:55 <@preaction> the lucky git 06:55 <+perlDreamer> You going to take some time off this summer, or are you slammed? 06:56 <@preaction> i'm training james now on the alumni project, hopefully when he's up to speed we can switch off doing other things 06:56 <@preaction> like vacations or even just some core dev 06:57 <@preaction> that's of course if james can hack it, it's difficult to train some people in advanced programming techniques when they don't really know their way around the shell 06:57 <+perlDreamer> oy 06:57 <+perlDreamer> no shell? 06:57 <+perlDreamer> Windows guy? 06:57 <@preaction> he's a windows guy 06:58 <@preaction> so minimal *nix shell experience 06:58 <+perlDreamer> I thought that slot was all sys-admin/support work with scripting. 06:58 <+perlDreamer> How can he do that with no Unix experience? 06:59 <+perlDreamer> never mind, I'm over the line. 06:59 <@preaction> no, i think graham took that spot 06:59 <@preaction> and i have a feeling that i'll be stepping up into that more as well 07:00 <+perlDreamer> oy, like you need more to do. 07:00 <@preaction> we've got more contracts and such so i imagine james will be added to the client work roster with me 07:01 <@preaction> eh, i already handle the trouble calls, and with JT in mexico i get to set my own policy 07:01 <@preaction> assuming, of course, i can defend it when he gets back ;) 07:01 <+perlDreamer> indeed 07:06 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 07:28 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@ip70-189-104-178.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 08:20 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit ["Exit- stage left"] 11:10 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] 16:40 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 17:24 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:27 -!- Irssi: #webgui: Total of 11 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 10 normal] 23:28 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 23:28 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ --- Day changed Mon May 28 2007 03:05 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:05 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 05:06 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 05:30 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:39 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 06:04 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:30 <+Radix-wrk> Anyone know if webgui will run on a dedicated server with as little as 256mb ram? 06:52 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 07:38 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:41 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 08:16 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:23 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 09:23 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:45 -!- sstanvir [n=Tanvir@s208148.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #webgui 10:47 < sstanvir> hello! 11:10 < sstanvir> anybody home ? 11:24 <+Radix-wrk> Yo 11:24 < sstanvir> hey 11:24 <+Radix-wrk> Wassup? 11:25 < sstanvir> do u know about default login template of webGUI ? 11:25 <+Radix-wrk> yes 11:25 < sstanvir> actually I need to change the style template 11:26 < sstanvir> but I can't find that 11:26 <+Radix-wrk> go to Assets View in admin console 11:26 <+Radix-wrk> then go to Root 11:27 < sstanvir> i found the Auth/WebGUI/Login 11:27 <+Radix-wrk> Import Node->Templates 11:27 <+Radix-wrk> if you're using the ^L macro in your style then you're using a different one than that 11:27 <+Radix-wrk> look at Macro/L_loginBox 11:28 < sstanvir> sorry, didnt get ur point 11:28 <+Radix-wrk> most styles I've come across use the ^L() macro with PBtmpl0000000000000092 11:29 < sstanvir> Macro/L_loginBox is a folder that has two template 11:29 < sstanvir> horizontal login box and default login box 11:29 <+Radix-wrk> yeah, Horizontal Login Box is the most common one I've found 11:30 <+Radix-wrk> that one is AssetID PBtmpl0000000000000092 11:30 < sstanvir> right 11:31 < sstanvir> so, I want to change the page layout, color etc of login page ..... 11:31 <+Radix-wrk> Oh.. ok.. well that's slightly different then 11:31 <+Radix-wrk> that macro is generally what is used to display the login box on each page 11:32 < sstanvir> yes 11:33 <+Radix-wrk> If you want to set the style of the template itself you set it in Admin Console->Settings->Authentication 11:33 <+Radix-wrk> and at the bottom there you can pick your Login template 11:33 < sstanvir> login page has the "Default WebGUI Login Template" 11:34 < sstanvir> problem is ,, this is the inner part of the page.. 11:34 < sstanvir> not the outer part.. i mean this template doesn't define the style.. 11:34 <+Radix-wrk> it uses whatever your User Function Style is set to I think 11:34 <+Radix-wrk> which is in Admin Console->Settings->UI 11:35 < sstanvir> let me try then 11:35 < sstanvir> man, you are great ! 11:35 <+Radix-wrk> glad to help :) 11:36 < sstanvir> thank you so much.. 11:36 <+Radix-wrk> Do itashimashite :) 11:36 < sstanvir> :) 11:36 < sstanvir> btw.. i want to buy u a drink ;) 11:40 < sstanvir> by any chance, if u come to this part of the world let me know 11:46 <+Radix-wrk> hehe 11:46 <+Radix-wrk> sounds like a plan! 11:46 <+Radix-wrk> I do hope to get back to japan some day, loved it when I was there last time! :) 11:49 <+Radix-wrk> Off home now.. bye! :) 11:50 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:43 -!- sstanvir [n=Tanvir@s208148.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit ["User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby"] --- Log closed Mon May 28 16:39:41 2007