WebGUI irc logs from: 2010-06.log

--- Log opened Tue Jun 01 00:00:02 2010
@preactionif i'm fixing the asset, i should probably put them in a valid parent, no?00:44
+perlDreameryes00:46
+perlDreamer/root/import?00:46
+perlDreamermaybe tempspace00:46
@preactionroot/import for now00:47
+perlDreamerit would be considered frivolous to move the extra code out of Calendar's viewWeek into a separate www method, wouldn't it?00:51
@preactionactually it would break everything00:52
+perlDreamerit would?00:52
@preactionthe client who ordered that feature extended it00:52
@preactionsince it is so fragile in there, we can't fix it00:52
+perlDreamerwhat happens if this bug fix breaks it?00:54
+perlDreamernow I'm worried00:54
@preactioncan't help that00:55
@scrottieafk a minute... but this is still finding ways to not work.  grr.  it's mucked itself in a way that resetting the database doesn't fix.00:56
+perlDreamerdid you clear the cache?00:56
+perlDreamerAsset->new caches database properties when it looks them up00:57
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@scrottiecaches them?  how do you clear the cache?  and does it cache them in the database in a way that wgd doesn't clear out with 'reset'?01:04
+perlDreamerthe cache is set by the config01:05
+perlDreamerit could be persistent in memory01:05
+perlDreameror in disk01:05
+perlDreameror in the db01:05
@scrottieoh boy.01:05
@scrottieyeah, that most certainly affects debugging.01:05
@preactionrm -rf /tmp/WebGUICache; or mysql -e'truncate cache';01:05
@preactionwgd reset SHOULD clear the cache for you01:06
@preactionhttp://gist.github.com/420328 <- anyone see anything missing here? I try to get as much info as possible01:10
@scrottieI'm starting to suspect that the only reason that that test ever passed is because it malfunctioned.01:12
@preactionquite possible01:12
@scrottieoddly though, however it malfunctions to make it pass, it'll do it again now and again.01:12
@preactionare you running just the one test?01:13
@scrottierunning t/Keyword.t01:13
Haargwgd clears the cache in webgui 7.  it likely won't handle 8 properly01:13
@scrottiewith some t/Asset.t thrown in now and then and just prove01:13
@scrottieinteresting.  is there a problem ticket open to that effect?01:14
+perlDreamerpreaction, line 73 seems odd01:14
@scrottiemanually clearing the cache for those two schemes makes that test fail... or doesn't help it succeed.01:14
+perlDreamer$var = something ||= do {};01:14
+perlDreamershould ||= just be ||01:14
+perlDreameralso, this only checks entries that are in asset, but not in sub-tables01:15
+perlDreamerit doesn't check for any of the other cases01:15
+perlDreamerlike, existing in assetData, but not any of the others01:15
@preaction$var = $something || $something = do {}; <- afterwards, $var and $something will be set01:15
+perlDreameror in a class specific table, but not in others01:15
HaargperlDreamer, with ||= it stores the result in the hash so the next run won't need the do01:15
@preactiononly those in asset will affect getLineageIterator, no?01:16
+perlDreameryes, but getIsa will be affected by the rest01:16
@scrottie /tmp/WebGUICache/* is the backing store Cache::FastMmap uses?01:17
Haargline 68: printf "%-68s", $message;01:17
@preactionscrottie: if there's no "cache" : { "root_dir" : "..." } in your config, yes01:18
@preactionthat default is set in WebGUI::Session->cache()01:18
@scrottiecool.  thanks.01:19
Haargalso, it probably makes more sense to insert values from a previous revision of the asset if one exists01:20
* perlDreamer goes shopping01:43
@scrottieyeah, I'm going to pack it up pretty quick here too.  also quite Barbie-esque, I'm going to cook dinner.01:55
@scrottiegoing to push at least that one fix first.01:59
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@preactioni'm finding some corrupt assets on tiffany's site from 2009 (no asset entry, assetData entry)02:06
@preactionyay!02:06
@preactionis database integrity even possible? should I just give up and add the 6 extra lines of boilerplate to my getLineageIterator calls?02:07
@preactionConfused? You won't be after tomorrow's episode of WebGUI!02:10
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@scrottieooh, bac, to back episodes02:34
CIA-59webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r483acbc / (2 files in 2 dirs): 02:51
CIA-59webgui: Revert "Calls to set() and update() set attributes as well as "properties"."02:51
CIA-59webgui: This reverts commit 57fe0721ab6049e02c421cf2b1cb387f4eed42da. - http://bit.ly/9HUthc02:51
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@scrottiethis makes no sense.  tests continue to fail.  this thing is mucking itself up in some way I can't comprehend and that has little to do with the code being run.03:00
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+perlDreamerpreaction, I vote for both05:09
+perlDreamerput in the proper handling code for the iterator05:10
+perlDreamerit's worth your time05:10
+perlDreamerif it was try/catch, you'd like it better05:10
+perlDreamerbut the semantics are the same05:10
+perlDreamerscrottie, it's time to rollback05:11
+perlDreamerlet's head back to 0ae488290646e4a35b5b75f4edd17870bc58319605:11
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SDuensinMorning.16:20
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Haargmorning16:30
+bartjolmorning16:41
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@khenndoes anyone know if assetIndex still gets out of sync with the assetData table?17:32
Haargwhat part of assetIndex do you mean?17:33
Haargthe actual indexed content is probably the most likely to get out of date, but i don't know of any particular situation where that happens17:33
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@preactionbrainstorm: I want one more feature in 7.9, multiple auth methods active on the site for creating users. it shouldn't be too hard. possible problems?18:09
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@frodwithpreaction: do all of the auth methods support creating users?  (I'm wondering about ldap in particular)18:38
@preactionLDAP will create a new WebGUI user and link it to an existing LDAP record18:39
@preactionbut the main thing is: this is the major thing preventing us moving forward with new auth methods like OAuth, Facebook Connect, OpenID18:39
@frodwithah18:39
@frodwithpardon my ignorance, but what auth methods do we support right now?18:40
@preactionWebGUI, LDAP.18:40
@frodwithso we'd write authmethods for all the hip single-sign-on things and let people pick at creation time?18:41
@preactionand login, yes18:41
@frodwithhow do you mean and login18:42
@preactionnot every login will require a password, and may not even require a username (the username being told to us by the external system)18:43
@frodwithright...  that doesn't seem to clear up my confusion though.  I read what you said as "and let people pick at login time"18:44
@frodwithwhich doesn't make sense to me18:44
@preactionthey may have to enter their information into the right box for their auth method18:45
@frodwithhmm, a  user has exactly one auth method, yes?18:46
@preactionyes18:47
@frodwithcouldn't you just ignore the password box when it's not part of the login process?18:47
@frodwithor hmm, there's not even a username necessarily.18:47
@frodwithso they'd click a link, then, like "login with your facebook id"18:48
@frodwithand it'd...  do that18:48
@frodwithor do we show them all the login methods on the one screen?18:48
@preactioni'm thinking the ^L; macro shows just the main auth method with a link to "View other login methods"18:49
@preactionthen the main displayLogin page aggregates the activated auth methods18:50
@frodwiththat sounds reasonable.18:50
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@scrottieperlDreamer, that patch should have been reverted, and before your "time to rollback" comment.  did I botch the revert/push?19:27
@scrottieoh, he's not here.19:28
@scrottiedamn, damn, damn.19:28
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ckotilare there any known issues with the logrotate.pl that ships with wre 0.9.1 ?20:22
@preactionit would help if we knew what the issue you're having is20:23
ckotilrotating is off, logs start going to .1 .2 .3 and the original logs and .0s get reset to 0 bytes20:25
ckotilit wreaks havoc on my awstats20:25
ckotilwhich i run outside of the wre20:25
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@preactionare you running logrotate twice? is awstats doing its own rotating? i believe you can also configure awstats to remove records as it parses20:26
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ckotilawstats isnt rotating or removing records 20:30
ckotilhrmm. i guess ill see if logrotate.pl changed between wre 0.9.1 and 0.9.320:30
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ckotilno difference. after looking at the script for a bit it looks like my expectation of how log rotate scripts should work is differnet than how this logroate script works. 21:07
ckotili except logs to always be written to /var/log/somelog , then when logs are rotated it should be moved to /var/log/some.log.121:08
ckotilbut new logs go to /var/log/somelog21:08
ckotilthen at next rotate somelog.1 goes to somelog.2 , etc...21:08
@scrottiestart grepping through /var/cron ...?21:08
@scrottiesee what else is in there?21:08
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@preactionare the WRE logs in /var/log or /data/wre/var/logs?21:09
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@khennHaarg:  I'm working on a site with older data and I've got a lot of assetIndex stuff that does not match what is in the assetData table21:09
@khennjust wondering if that is a product of older stuff or if it's still happening21:10
ckotil/data/wre/var/logs and /data/domains/mysite/logs21:10
Haargi don't generally remember anything having changed with that, but i also don't know of any known cases that it had problems with21:10
ckotilpreaction:  so logs in /data/wre/var/logs/ get rotated properly21:11
Haarglikely a symptom of a general committing problem, which it's hard to say what state it would be in now21:11
ckotili think the apache logs are problematic bc apache still maintains an open file handle on the logs when the script is renaming/unlinking them21:11
ckotillogrotated scripts issue a kill -SIGHUP or httpd reload to get around this21:12
@preactionapache doesn't do that anymore, and hasn't since 2.0.x21:12
ckotilah21:13
ckotilhrm, i wonder my apache logs are so f00bar'd then21:13
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@khennyeah I'll keep my eye on it21:14
@khennI really want to see the assetIndex table use triggers to insert it's data21:14
@khenninsert / update21:14
@preactiondatabase integrity is a myth21:15
@khenndelete21:15
Haargthere isn't really any way to do that with how we handle it though21:15
Haargsince the index data has to be built by perl21:15
@khennI couldn't say right now21:15
@khennbut it seems that most of that data is coming from assetData21:15
@khennkeywords and size are not21:16
@khennbut those could remain in the code21:16
Haargwith foreign keys, transactions, and an sql abstraction layer, it's unlikely this type of problem would happen.21:16
Haargbut then assetIndex should probably be pulled out eventually anyway21:17
Haargand use a real full text search system21:17
@khennI suppose21:17
@khennnot sure what that will do to performance21:17
Haargwould probably improve it significantly21:17
@khennasset index is nice because it's a view of all the stuff that *should* be showing up on the site21:18
@khenndon't have to deal with revision dates, tags, status, etc21:18
@khennbut I really can't trust it21:18
@khennto have accurate information21:18
ckotilcan you trust a newly built assetIndex?21:19
@preactiontemporarily21:19
@khennyeah21:20
@khennwe re-index the site once a month21:20
@khennvia cron21:20
@khennand it still gets out of date21:20
@khenn(just remembered that)21:20
@khennI'm guessing there is still crap in webgui directly writing to assetData without using the API21:20
@khennand that's where it's getting hosed21:20
@preactionhave you nailed down which ones get out of date? when? who did it?21:20
ckotilive got a cront to do it daily. users were complaining about search results being innaccurate. this was back ~7.6 tho21:20
@khennno21:20
@preactionstop guessing, start verifying21:20
@khennI don't know why / where / when21:20
@khennit's not important right now, more annoying 21:21
@khennsomeday I'll track it down21:21
@khennbusy with other stuff21:21
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ckotilpreaction: i think performing a graceful restart of modproxy after logrotate makes it happy21:32
@preactionnone of our boxes require that, even those on WRE 0.8 series21:33
ckotilthe logs at least go to domain/sitename/logs/somelog and not domain/sitename/logs/somelog.#21:33
ckotilmaybe it's bc ive got 25 sites 21:33
@preactionwe've got ones with more21:33
@preactionthose are on 0.9.3 though21:33
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ckotillogrotate.pl hasnt changed between 0.9.1 and 0.9.321:34
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@preactionbut 0.9.3 has apache 2.2.1121:34
ckotili built it w/ 2.2.1321:34
ckotili had to add php anyway, so i went for the lates. 21:35
* ckotil ducks21:35
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ckotilok , it's rotating fine now w/out the restart. the graceful restart must have gotten it out of bad state or something21:37
ckotilwhich is wierd bc i just restarted it last week for the upgrade to 7.8.20 stable21:37
ckotili bet its the script in /etc/logrotate.d/httpd . deleted.21:43
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CIA-57webgui: Paul Driver master * rc5bddbd / t/Asset/AssetPackage.t : testing clearPackageFlag - http://bit.ly/ceOUQi22:32
CIA-57webgui: Paul Driver master * r3a9c3e5 / (3 files in 3 dirs): checkbox in asset manager for clearPackageFlag - http://bit.ly/bYFARM22:32
CIA-57webgui: Paul Driver master * re88fe85 / lib/WebGUI/AssetPackage.pm : style nits in www_importPackage - http://bit.ly/b4yN1b22:33
CIA-57webgui: Paul Driver master * r426cc20 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : changelog note for new checkbox - http://bit.ly/b9JEuP22:33
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--- Day changed Wed Jun 02 2010
@preactionstarting the tests for the release. commit if you got 'em00:26
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@preactionwould our test suite run faster if we consolidated our scripts when possible? i know i split the Photo and Gallery tests, but if we join them again it should speed things up, no?01:12
@scrottieI'd be surprised if joining them speed things up.01:13
Haargit would definitely speed things up01:14
@scrottiedo a time perl -c on the .t to get a figure for the startup time.01:14
HaargTest::Class is probably a better solution to joining tests though01:14
@frodwithright, it would obviously speed things, the question is how much01:15
@frodwithand my guess is "not a whole heck of a lot"01:15
Haargin my experience01:15
Haarga lot01:15
@preaction2.4 real. 1.1 user. for t/Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo/00base.t01:15
@frodwithwhat are we doing at test setup and teardown that takes so long?01:17
@preactionran it over the whole photo set gives about 1.2 user, 2.5 real01:17
@preactionso over 314 test files we have 15 minutes of setup01:17
Haargfrodwith, loading .pm files01:18
@frodwithHaarg: are we preloading the whole webgui tree for every test or something silly like that?01:18
Haargnot preloading01:18
Haargbut most of the files get pulled in through use statements anyway01:18
Haargeverything requires everything else01:19
@frodwithshouldn't be that nasty though01:19
@frodwithwhat's taking so long to load?01:19
@frodwithin particular?01:19
@preactionour dep tree includes a lot of stuff01:19
@frodwithHrmph.  I smell a rat.01:20
@frodwithbut I'm too lazy to dig out a profiler and catch it.01:21
Haargi never bothered to figure out what parts were taking the longest01:21
Haargit's in general just that by loading ::Session you end up pulling in most of the source tree01:21
Haargor at least a good portion of it01:22
@frodwithyeah, but it shouldn't take 2 seconds to load the source tree, should it?01:22
@frodwithjust doesn't seem right, somehow.01:22
Haargi was going to say how long it takes to load here, but i'll have to wait until my git-filter-branch finishes01:23
@preactioni've been running Devel::LeakTrace::Fast for the last day or two, that could cause a slowdown01:24
Haargfrodwith, on my machine: http://gist.github.com/42169702:47
@preactionHaarg: did you try using weaken on session refs before?02:47
Haargfor some things02:48
Haargthat's the webgui8 & psgi & upgrades code, but i doubt it is too far off from the other branches02:48
@preactioni'm having tests fail because there's no $session->config and no $session->asset02:48
Haargpsgi weakens session on all of the ::Session:: classes02:49
Haargwhat kind of weakening are you doing?02:49
@preactionweaken( $self->{_session} );02:50
@preactionweakening the session in all these objects, because that's where Devel::Cycle wanted me to02:50
@preactionfigured it out. i also weakened $session->{_asset}02:51
Haargyeah, can't do that02:51
@preactionand i had ->close() also destroy $session->{_config}02:51
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* scrottie waves to perlDreamer07:35
+perlDreamerhey, scrottie07:35
+perlDreamerwhat's up?07:35
@scrottieoh, you know07:36
+perlDreamerdid you get any farther with WebGUI8/keywords today?07:37
@scrottieI figured out one version of what needs to happen to get the t/Assets.t tests to pass with the set-both-attributes-and-properties change in but I need to read more to understand why some attributes are problematic and others are necessary07:38
@scrottieand I've convinced myself that t/Keyword.t's results are meta-stable random.07:39
@scrottiethe state of the code is the minor factor in which tests pass.  sometimes after killing the mmap cache file and clearing the database, two tests will fail.  sometimes three.  every now and then, four.07:40
@scrottieflop the code over to the other version, the behavior won't change (with mmap cache clear and db reinit).  flop it back, it changes.07:40
@scrottiethis is maddening.07:40
@scrottienext step is to do a full -d:Trace of various behaviors and diff the outputs to see where execution varies.07:41
@scrottieso, how's stuff there?07:41
+perlDreamerI spent all day doing commencement stuff07:43
+perlDreamerjust trying to get caught up with the Wonderful World of WebGUI07:43
@scrottiethat's right.  you said you were in for four days of family stuff.07:44
+perlDreamerno, just 1, today07:44
+perlDreameroh, wait07:44
+perlDreameryeah, this is day four of four07:44
+perlDreamerso tomorrow, back to the grind07:44
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@scrottiewell, hell.08:24
+perlDreameryou found it?08:28
@scrottieno, but I established that completely nuking the data (rm -rf /usr/local/var/mysql, etc) and re-initializing it makes the first of the failing tests pass, once.08:29
@scrottiethen it fails the next time, wgd reset or no.08:29
+perlDreamerthen there's something getting stored in the db08:30
+perlDreamerwhich seems odd08:31
+perlDreamersince before the keywords patch, the statefulness of the tests was much more predictable08:31
@scrottiethat doesn't seem to be the case.  even without it, I get results based on its mood.08:31
@scrottieat least on this install, on this machine.08:31
+perlDreamertomorrow, after doing the boards, I'll try to rollback a WebGUi8 branch before that commit08:33
+perlDreamerand run prove twice in a row, and look for differenences in test outpu08:33
@scrottieI reverted and pushed that some time before you suggested I do so, yesterday08:33
+perlDreamerlogically, that presumes that the revert was completely successful, too08:34
+perlDreamerhave you also tried a VM running the WRE?08:35
@scrottienope.08:35
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+perlDreamerfor comparison, I'll do the same comparison on WebGUI8:HEAD08:37
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@scrottieI'm guessing that after the $keyword asset is scrapped, there shouldn't be 556 assets in trash-limbo.09:08
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SDuensinGreetings.16:31
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plainhaocan i get github push privs for helpdesk again?17:49
plainhaoi've posted a fix for bug 11512.17:50
+bartjolI always prompt perlDreamer for that stuff :)17:57
+perlDreamerfrodwith: could you please consider plainhao's patch for bug #11512 in light of the work you may have started on the helpdesk?17:58
@frodwithperlDreamer: I'm not familiar with this piece of the code, and all the js for helpdesk is being rewritten from scratch.18:02
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+perlDreamerwell, okay18:18
+perlDreamerplainhao, I can't grant you commit privileges18:18
+perlDreamergiven that it's going to be rewritten, do you still the patch applied?18:18
+perlDreamerIf so, I can do that later today18:18
* plainhao didn't know about the rewrite, so no, the patch probably isn't that critical.18:20
Haargfork -> commit -> send pull request18:20
+perlDreamerthat works, too18:20
plainhaookey, will do what Haarg suggested.18:21
+bartjoloh, another thing, Bernd wondered about the quietness of the forum and irc channel. Do we miss something in europe? Is webgui so clear nowadays that no questions have to be asked?18:23
+perlDreamerIt was memorial day18:23
+perlDreamerplus I was on vacation for 1 day18:23
+bartjolwell, more in general18:23
+bartjolit seems quiet lately18:24
+perlDreamerI think we have few new users18:24
+perlDreamerand the old ones already know the grotty spots18:24
+bartjolmmm, then we prolly need more18:24
+bartjolhow's JT's world order coming along?18:25
+perlDreamerI think that the recent spate of world leaders who have resigned would mean that his efforts to foment unrest are successful18:26
+bartjolah, so he just have to seize his opportunity and step forward as the new queen bee18:28
+perlDreameryes :)18:28
+perlDreamerhow is the sailing in Europe, bartjol?18:36
@khennhey perlDreamer18:36
+bartjolwell, a lot of fog the last time18:36
@khennlooks like Hao just committed a bug fix to help desk which fixes pagination in the search18:36
+perlDreamerhey, khenn!18:36
+bartjol50 meters sight, especially at the harbour that is quite scary18:37
@khennany chance you could look that over real quick and patch plainblack.com and webgui.org ?18:37
+perlDreamerlook over, yes18:37
+perlDreamerreal quick, no18:37
@khennheh18:37
* perlDreamer is elbow deep in calendar guts18:37
@khenngotcha18:37
@khennmaybe preaction can do it18:37
@khenn=)18:37
+perlDreameroh yeah, he always has tons of free time18:38
+perlDreamer:P18:38
+bartjolbeer o clock, bye18:39
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plainhaoi like the clocks in europe.18:39
@khennhey, there's hao!18:40
@khennhow've you been?18:40
plainhaook18:41
plainhaohow's the gang?18:41
@khennhanging in there18:41
@khennI just wrote a custom method for a client to approve a version tag as a different user than is in the session:18:42
plainhaonice18:42
@khennapproveAsUser ( userId , options)18:42
@khennanyone want to see that in core?18:42
@khennotherwise I'll just leave it in my custom stuff18:42
plainhaothat sounds useful18:42
+perlDreameryes, I want to see that18:42
@khennok18:42
+perlDreamerit would help me with fixing one of your bugs18:42
@khennI'll add it to 7.9 now then18:42
+perlDreamerI think18:42
+perlDreamerjust make sure it has tests18:42
@khennok18:43
@khennI'll add it to 7.9 later18:43
@khennheh18:43
+perlDreamerslacker!18:43
@khennit's gonna be hard to test18:43
+perlDreamerwhy?18:43
@khennbecause ...18:43
@khennwell let me look at the tests18:43
@khennmaybe not as hard as I'm thinking18:43
+perlDreamerI think you need to create a version tag18:43
@khennguess I just need to check that it was committed by the right person18:43
+perlDreamercreate a user18:43
+perlDreamercall approveAsUser18:44
+perlDreamerwith new user18:44
@khenncommitAsUser18:44
@khennnot approve =)18:44
+perlDreamer08:42:16 AM) khenn: approveAsUser ( userId , options)18:44
@scrottiehey, hey, hey.18:44
@khennwhoops18:44
@khennsorry18:44
@khennit's commitAsUser18:44
+perlDreamerokey-doke18:44
@khennhey scrottie18:44
@khennit creates a temporary session as the new user18:45
@khenncasts the version tag into the session18:45
@khennthen commits it18:45
@scrottieperlDreamer, I attempted an SMTP delivery to you late last night.  don't know if that went through.  short version, tests pass but the fix is hackish and I need to read more to find a on-hackish way to do it.18:45
plainhaois there a way to look up a versiontag by name?18:45
+perlDreamerscrottie, I got it18:45
@scrottiecool.18:45
+perlDreamerplainhao, no, names are not unique18:45
@khennno just by tagId18:45
@khennyou could write something that got all the version tags that have a certain name18:46
+perlDreamerall day events suck18:47
@scrottieI've been missing my Palm III lately.18:48
@khennlooks like you are right perlDreamer18:48
@khennshould be pretty easy18:48
@khenncreate version tag18:48
@khenncreate user18:48
@khenncommit as user18:48
@khenncheck version tag to see who committed18:48
+perlDreameralso, make sure the temporary session was cleaned up18:51
@khennright18:52
+perlDreamertechnically, you can skip that part, because WebGUI::Test will check for that18:53
@khennk18:53
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+perlDreamerI think I've got the calendar bug fixed19:10
+perlDreamerI'll confirm it after I come back from the gym19:11
+patspamperlDreamer: you still there?19:18
@scrottieif by "there" you mean "at the gym", I'm guessing yes ;)19:23
@scrottieI'm thinking of doing a morning errand and clocking in slightly later.19:24
+perlDreamerpatspam, I'm back20:15
+patspamperlDreamer: heh now I'm heading out (lunch), will hit you up later today20:23
+perlDreamersorry, dude :/20:23
@preactionperlDreamer: got a minute?20:23
+perlDreamercatch you later then20:23
+perlDreameryup20:23
+perlDreamerlet me scrape off these Calendar bits20:23
+perlDreamerwhat's up, preaction?20:23
@preactionwhen i ran the test suite for the 7.9.6 release, there were a lot of 20:23
@preaction# Scratch : 5 (delta +1)20:23
@preactionstuff20:23
@preactionnotably sessions20:23
@preactionis that the leaking you refer to in the build instructions?20:24
+perlDreameryes20:24
@preactionis that a problem with the tests or with the code? or is that what i have to determine?20:24
+perlDreamerit's 85% likely to be in the core20:24
+perlDreamersince it didn't do that two weeks ago20:24
@preactionright20:24
@preactionokay, i'll get cracking20:25
@preactioni made two huge changes, so i'm pretty sure where to start looking20:26
+perlDreamerit's a little nicer than leaking memory, but having those scratch sessions in the db just takes up space20:32
* SDuensin just tooted the WebGUI horn again. Local Linux group wants a new site. :-)20:34
+perlDreamerGood job, SDuensin!20:34
SDuensin#1 fan.  Don't forget it.  :-)20:34
+patspamperlDreamer: oink21:37
+patspamfor when you backlog..21:41
+patspamin my ongoing "how to cause problems by using User Profiling fields to store internal data" saga21:41
+patspamDateTime is similarly problematic21:41
+patspamon a different site I had a profile field called consentDate (DateTime) that was used to record the date that a user completed the Terms & Conditions DataForm21:42
+patspamif the user hadn't done it yet, clicking Save on the Edit Profile page would set their consentDate to the current date & time21:43
+patspammy workaround is to create a new User Profile category called "internal stuff", move all the internal stuff that should never be displayed on the Edit Profile page (even to Admins) into the category, and then hack WebGUI::Operation::User so that it skips over that category when generating the Edit Profile page21:45
@preactionum... so it seems that the leaking disappeared miraculously... is that good?21:46
@preactionpatspam: does it need to be in the userProfileData table? can you join your own table?21:46
+patspamI think we need to either decide that User Profile fields should not be used for this purpose, or give people the ability to hide fields (or categories) entirely from the Edit Profile page21:46
+patspampreaction: definitely!21:47
@preactionproblem: user cleanup21:47
@preactionsolution: on delete workflow activity!21:47
+patspamheh21:48
+patspamI wanted to use User Profiling because it basically did everything I needed21:48
@preactionexcept this one thing?21:48
+patspamyeah, this is a gotcha21:48
@preactionyou could override the WebGUI::Account::Profile module to do what you wanted21:48
+patspamyeah, that's what I did (Op::User)21:49
+patspamI think we should make it possible to flag fields as "internal" (perhaps only via code, not via the UI)21:49
+patspambecause the profiling machinery is very handy for simple cases where you want to hang a bit of extra data on a user account21:50
@preactionwell, Operation::User is the admin interface. if we had things my way, the Profile system would be how admins would edit users as well21:50
+patspamyeah that would solve my problem.. I only get the problems because Admins see all fields, regardless of whether they are visible, editable etc..21:50
@preactionthat way, the ONE way to edit users would be overridable by you, the programmer21:51
+patspamyep, and I wouldn't need to override anything21:51
+patspamjust set it to invisible21:51
+patspamI definitely want to keep on using the user profiling system for this sort of stuff.. it's the same reason I use wG overall - saves you from re-inventing the wheel every time21:52
@preactionprecisely21:52
+patspamsometimes you want Admins to be able to see/edit profile fields that users can't though21:53
@preactionmost likely, the Profile module would work as the Operation::User module works now, but it would then be overridable21:54
+patspambut Op::User doesn't let you hide fields at all21:55
@preactionright. "hidden" fields would be "Admin Only" instead.21:56
+patspamand we'd need "Not even Admins" to overcome the problem I'm experiencing21:57
@preactionthat's what overriding the module would do for you, you could add that feature without needing to run it past me21:57
@preactioncouldn't you change it to a ReadOnly fieldType?21:57
@preactionor perhaps a Hidden fieldtype would be nice?21:58
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+patspamtake DateTime.. I'm coupled to the fact that it's a datetime mysql field 21:58
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@preactionthat's a problem?21:58
+patspamwell the Form type determines the field type, so I couldn't just switch to some generic Form::Hidden right?21:59
@preactionah22:00
+patspamI'd need to create a new Form class that subclasses Form::DateTime and does everything the same except hides itself from view22:01
+patspamI'd prefer that we embrace the idea of people using User Profiling fields for internal data in the wG API, and provide a way to flag fields that should be hidden completely from Edit Profile22:02
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@preactionpatspam: what about the users table instead?22:12
+patspamhang custom data there?22:13
@preactionyeah22:14
+patspambut then you'd need to write the code to modify the users table22:15
+patspamyou get that for free with User Profiling22:15
@preactionwhy? just alter table22:15
+patspamyeah that's what I mean22:15
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+patspams/code/sql/22:15
@preactionwould be much more work to add a "Really Hide Field" flag to the profile fields22:16
+patspambut it's a change you make once, to the core, and then everyone benefits22:16
+patspamwhere everyone = possibly just me ;)22:17
@preactionwould a readonly flag work?22:18
+patspamyeah I think so, all we need to do is stop Op::User from displaying the field to Admins22:18
@preactionhaving a "visible" and "hide from admin" seems .. bad22:19
@preactionbut having readonly work for admins as well22:19
+patspamoh, readonly22:19
+patspamthat would work too22:19
+patspampossibly preferable22:19
+patspambecause then you can pseudo debug the extra user data22:19
+patspamessentially what I did in the case of a Group field (turning it into a Guid field)22:20
+patspamI like being able to see the groupId there when I'm diagnosing something22:20
+patspambut I think that would be more work22:21
+patspambecause you'd have to make it work for all Form:: classes22:21
+patspamwhereas excluding the field altogether is independent of the class22:21
+perlDreamerpatspam, the problem only exists with "typed" fields that prepopulate22:22
@preactionall fields can be turned readonly, it's part of the class22:22
@preactionit just calls getValueAsHtml22:22
+patspamoh, perfect :)22:22
+patspamcurrent options include: Visible, Editable & Required, all which implicitly refer to what the end user (as opposed to the Admin) can see/do22:24
+patspamrather than calling this "Readonly", which would be confusing to distinguish from Editable22:25
+patspamI think it should be called something that implies "not modified by users"22:25
+perlDreamerusers, including Admin22:26
+patspamyeah22:26
+perlDreamerwhich means that if there's a problem, an Admin couldn't fix the value22:26
+patspamor more generally, not editable via the UI22:26
+patspamyep, it's only ever supposed to be modified by code22:26
+patspamwe can't let Admins edit it, because of bug #1158622:27
+patspams/bug/rfe/22:27
bipolarCan anyone help me get form emails working? I setup a form, set 'Email Data' to yes and I set the To field to the address I want. In the webgui settings, under the 'messaging' tab I have the ip address of my mail server in the SMTP server field. I'm not seeing a connection from webgui in my mail server logs. any idea what I could be doing wrong?22:29
+perlDreamerbipolar, is spectre running?22:30
bipolaryes22:30
+perlDreamerare there errors in the WebGUI log file?22:30
+patspambipolar: the "wgd mail" command line tool is handy for diagnosing that22:30
@preactionis the mailQueue empty?22:30
bipolarI don't see anything in the log files. Let me get my enviro setup so I can run the wdg command...22:31
@preactionwhat does perl spectre.pl --test say?22:32
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+perlDreamerbipolar, in addition to wgd mail, it would be good to up the logging level to WARN or INFO until you get this problem resolved22:32
bipolarhmm... where do I find the wgd command?22:33
+perlDreamerit's an extra add-on, bipolar22:33
+perlDreameryou can get a copy from the bazaar22:33
bipolaroh...22:33
+perlDreameror, you can build a copy by hand from github22:34
+perlDreamerit doesn't come with the WRE22:34
+perlDreamer... yet22:34
+patspam:)22:34
+perlDreamerbipolar: to summarize:  check the mailQueue table for entries.  If there are entries in there, and they stay in there longer than 10 minutes, it's a WebGUI/spectre issue.22:35
+perlDreamerget a copy of wgd, because it makes maintaining and debugging WebGUI sites delightful22:35
bipolarok. I'll grab wgd22:36
+perlDreameralso, run the built-in spectre debuggin commands spectre.pl --test for additional, easy diagnostics22:36
CIA-57wgdev: Graham Knop master * r1fcfab3 / lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm : use reasonable defaults if uploads directory doesn't exist - http://bit.ly/9HFrJ822:37
Haargi really need to put out a new version22:38
+perlDreameryeah!22:39
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+perlDreamerhm22:43
+patspamhow about calling the new User Profiling option "Admin Editable"22:44
bipolarI take it I should install wgd's missing perl prerequisites from cpan, right?22:44
+perlDreamerbipolar: yes22:44
bipolarkk22:44
+perlDreamerpatspam: it would have to be default ON for all new, and existing profile fields, yes?22:44
+patspamyep22:44
+perlDreamerI think something that users have to turn on would be better22:44
+perlDreamerrather than off22:44
+patspamyeah, to preserve existing behaviour22:45
+perlDreamerpop quiz for any dev in the channel: which assetLineage option for relatives doesn't use lineage at all?22:45
+patspambipolar: if you follow http://www.webgui.org/wiki/the-wre-and-your-shell-environment you can just run "wre cpan ." in the wgd directory and it will install all the dependencies for you22:45
bipolarpatspam: yeah, that would have been a little quicker :)22:46
+patspamor you don't even need to run wgd via WRE's perl22:46
bipolarthis server is really nakid. very limited system perl. It just runs Webgui22:47
+patspam(but that would involve installing all of WebGUI's dependencies into your other Perl)22:47
+patspamoh ok, no WRE?22:47
bipolarpatspam: yeah. I used WRE.22:47
bipolarit's a bare bones debian install with WRE and thats it.22:48
+patspamoh, I see22:48
bipolarok. wgd is built22:48
+patspamperlDreamer: self?22:50
+perlDreamerhm, that's two22:50
+patspamand siblings and children use parent22:51
bipolarwgd doesn't seem to be autodetecting my webgui root directory.22:51
+patspamset export WEBGUI_ROOT=/data/WebGUI (or whatever)22:51
Haargit should autodetect it if you are in it or a subdirectory22:52
+patspamand similarly for WEBGUI_CONFIG22:52
Haargor if the WEBGUI_ROOT env var is set22:52
bipolarMail queue has 8 message(s).22:53
Haargi should probably just stick wgdev on cpan even though it is useless on its own22:53
Haargupdated the version in the bazaar22:53
+patspamyeah, would make it easier for people to install22:53
+patspamalways takes me 2 minutes to find it in the bazaar22:53
Haargalternatively22:54
Haargcurl -O http://haarg.org/wgd && chmod +x wgd22:54
+patspamfatpacker++22:55
Haargyeah, works much better than what i had been doing prior22:55
Haargalthough it makes extracting pod annoying22:55
CIA-57wgdev: Graham Knop master * r588e676 / (4 files in 4 dirs): update changes file and version numbers - http://bit.ly/9NAAZK22:57
CIA-57wgdev: Graham Knop master * re02c487 / lib/WGDev/Asset.pm : silence potential warnings - http://bit.ly/9uxdqu22:57
CIA-57wgdev: Graham Knop master * r326a15b / bin/wgd : remove version from wgd script file - http://bit.ly/aMnXRi22:57
+perlDreamerI don't think wgd would be any different from any other plugin that requires a base to operate22:58
bipolarI think I got something....22:58
bipolarERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1056] - ADMIN: Couldn't fetch Spectre configuration data for www.example.com.conf : malformed JSON string, neither array, object, number, string or atom, at character offset 0 ["<!DOCTYPE html PUBLI..."] at ../lib/Spectre/Admin.pm line 158.22:59
bipolarthats in webgui.log22:59
+patspamyou have a syntax error in your site config22:59
bipolargrrr22:59
+patspamerr22:59
+patspamno22:59
+perlDreamercheck spectre.conf22:59
+patspamsorry22:59
+perlDreamerfor JSON syntax errors22:59
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Haargit's not spectre with the priblem23:01
+patspamhttp://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/11607 ("Admin Editable" for User Profile fields)23:01
bipolarperlDreamer: the spectre.conf file is an exact copy of the example file. I just checked with diff. I don't see anything in the file that it should be hung up on, but I'm not familure with the format.23:01
Haargthe site is giving back html of some kind instead of json data23:01
Haargis the sitename set correctly in the config file?23:02
bipolarah.... I'm running on an ip address.23:02
bipolarlet me set it in the hosts file.23:02
Haargthe first entry needs to be something that will resolve to the correct site23:02
bipolarok. the error message is gone23:04
+perlDreamerbipolar, now you should restart spectre23:11
+perlDreamerso that it gets the config data from WebGUI for your site23:11
+perlDreameror does it do that automatically....?23:11
@preactionyou must restart for any conf changes23:11
bipolarperlDreamer: 'wreservice.pl --restart spectre' should do that, right?23:11
@preactionand webgui probably23:11
@preactionwreservice.pl --restart modperl spectre23:12
bipolarwreservice.pl --restart all23:12
bipolar:P23:12
@preactionwhy shutdown mysql and modproxy if you don't have to?23:12
+perlDreamerthey need to be taught a lesson23:12
bipolarthey're not being used for anything else, might as well beat them too23:13
bipolarok. there are still 8 messages in the queue23:13
+perlDreamerthe spectre mail queue processor runs every 5 minutes or so23:13
+perlDreamergive it a bit23:13
+perlDreamerand watch webgui.log for more problems23:14
bipolar*sigh*23:14
bipolarWebGUI::Session::ErrorHandler::security[404] - Visitor (1) connecting from 127.0.1.2 attempted to Tried to make a Spectre workflow data load request, but we're only allowed to accept requests from 127.0.1.1/32,127.0.0.1/32.23:14
bipolarback to the hosts file...23:14
+perlDreamer:)23:14
Haargthere is a setting in the site config file for that23:15
HaargspectreSubnets or something23:15
bipolartoo late! I already beat on the hosts file and am restarting ;P23:15
bipolarnothing in the log file yet.23:18
+perlDreamerit's like Heinz ketchup23:18
+perlDreameranticipation is making you wait23:18
bipolarso I should bang on the side of the case until red stuff comes out the other side?23:18
bipolarhmm... how would I do that for a VM?23:19
@khenndoes anyone know if you can call duplicate on an asset and then append the new asset you just created directly to another parent (similar to addChild)?23:20
+perlDreamersetParent23:20
+perlDreameror, call addChild on the new parent with $oldAsset->get for the properties23:21
@scrottieugh23:21
bipolarwoot! there they are23:21
bipolarthe email just dumped23:21
+perlDreamerthere ya go, bipolar23:21
@khennthanks pd23:21
@khennI think that's what I've been looking for23:21
@khennI figured copy and paste would do it23:22
@khennbut they do some weird sorcery that I got tired of tracing23:22
@scrottie... which is exactly what won't work in 8.0 as it is.  and I guess I can't count on addRevision to sort things out to make it work.23:22
+perlDreamerpaste requires that the current asset be the new parent23:22
@scrottieI was just getting around to looking at how to fix this cleanly.23:22
bipolarthanks perlDreamer, Haarg, preaction, patspam23:23
+perlDreamerbipolar, if you learned anything interesting, please consider adding a page to the wiki on webgui.org23:23
@scrottiemaybe get() just shouldn't return attributes that still have default values unless explicitly requested.23:23
+perlDreamerget() has to return ALL attributes, except for session23:23
+perlDreamerif you change how get() works, then you get to rewrite 65 assets,23:24
+perlDreamer20-30 macros23:24
@scrottieno!  I'll be good!  no!23:24
+perlDreamera dozen Workflow Activities23:24
@scrottienot that!23:24
+perlDreamerand every piece of custom asset code in the world23:24
* scrottie bawls23:24
@khenncreate a new method?23:24
@khenngetWithoutDefaults()23:24
+perlDreamerno, it's WebGUI8-isms, khenn23:24
@khennI'm horrible at naming stuff23:24
+perlDreamerget() has to keep doing the same thing it used to23:25
@khennyeah I don't know much about WG823:25
@khennyet23:25
+perlDreameryou will23:25
@khennI'm sure I'll hate it =)23:25
+perlDreameractually, it would be good to start now23:25
@khennif only I had the time ...23:25
@scrottieI think I need to figure out how this worked in 7.... but now I know that it's possible to get get() directly to set() and have it work.23:25
@scrottieer, get() to update(), at least.23:25
@khennI'm having trouble finding time to add simple features to 7.x23:25
@khennlet alone start messing around with 823:26
+perlDreamerthe longer you let us run unchecked, the harder it will be to get thing turned around later23:26
@khenngonna just have to trust that you guys aren't screwing things up too badly =)23:26
@khennit's preaction I worry about23:26
@khenn=p23:26
+perlDreamerpreaction is the guy who goes around saying, "If you do that, it'll screw khenn over.  We can't do that"23:27
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@preactionhe has a point23:28
@khennand by "khenn" he actually means "our biggest clients"23:28
@khenn=)23:28
@khennnot me23:28
@khennI'm sure he could care less about screwing me over23:28
@preactionwell, i say "clients", but I mean "pb devs"23:28
+perlDreameroh no, he knows if we make headaches for you, you'll just dump it onto the support boards23:28
@preactionit's the getEditForm, www_edit, and www_add stuff that is the biggest break from prior behavior, but i did it for custom dev really23:29
@khenndoesn't matter to me really what you do23:29
@preactionit will in about 12 months when you start migrating23:29
@khennI can't wait to have the opportunity to re-write a bunch of this spaghetti I work with on a daily basis23:29
@khennI'm slowly doing it now23:29
@khennwhoever subclassed WebGUI::User was a genious23:30
@khennI wish I'd thought of that from the beginning23:30
@khenngenius ?23:30
@khennI can't spell23:30
@khennmeh, too bad I'm dealing with File assets23:31
+perlDreamerwe don't keep you around for you spelling khenn23:31
@khennotherwise it looks like I could use setParent to move these things23:31
@khennrather than creating new assets23:31
+perlDreameryou can use setParent to move most assets23:31
@khennyeah23:31
+perlDreamerbut some assets won't let you put them anywhere23:31
@khennbut the problem is that the assets are tied to users23:31
@khennso when I go to delete the old user23:31
@khennit will delete the storage location23:32
@khenneven if it doesn't delete the asset23:32
@khenngotta duplicate first23:32
@khennso I get a new storage location23:32
@preactionkhenn: that was probably Stephen Opal23:32
@khennsafer that way23:32
+perlDreameryeah23:32
+perlDreameras long as the asset remembers to duplicate the storage location...23:32
@khennit was me too23:32
@khennand it does23:32
@khennI checked23:32
@khennduplicate on WebGUI::File type assets create new storage locations23:33
@khennyou think Opal subclassed WebGUI::User?23:33
@khennpreaction:  that would have been my last guess23:33
@khennI thought perlDreamer did it tbh23:33
@preactioni know he wrote the WebGUI::Friends subclass to bypass some problems in there, probably had to do the WebGUI::User one too23:34
* perlDreamer would not subclass WebGUI::User23:35
+perlDreamerbecause to be really useful, you'd have to find all usages of WebGUI::User throughout the core23:35
+perlDreameryou should make stuff like that into a user profile field23:35
+perlDreamer:P23:35
* perlDreamer is off to pick up the kids, back in 3023:36
@khennactually it's great for their custom stuff23:37
@khenncause you can cast regular WebGUI::User objects into the subclassed one23:37
@scrottiepush @WebGUI::User::ISA, __PACKAGE__23:37
@khennand then I can do all sorts of stuff that makes sense to be in their own user23:37
@khennscrottie:  what does that do?23:38
@preactionmakes WebGUI::User a subclass of your current package23:38
@frodwithmakes WebGUI::User a subclass of the current package.23:38
@scrottie(note:  it is in your best interest to disregard all one-liners from me; one-liners from me are, without exception, code gags)23:38
ckotilANyone recall what changed between 7.6.35 - 7.8.20 that effects newlines in email messages?23:38
@khennoh23:38
* frodwith eyes preaction.23:38
@khennso it's the same as use base23:39
@frodwithno, other way 'round23:39
@preactionno23:39
@khennyeah23:39
@preactionhey, WebGUI::User, you are now a subclass of me whether you want to be or not!23:39
@khennI don't want WebGUI::User to be a subclass of my object23:39
@scrottieall your us are belong to base!23:39
@khennheh23:39
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patspam1haarg++ #http://marcus.nordaaker.com/2010/06/dbix-class-about-to-switch-to-git00:01
@khennhaarg:  was svn that annoying?00:04
@khennI'm sure it was since I've repressed my memories of it =)00:05
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@scrottiesvn attempted to create a less cranky version of cvs and it's my opinion that they did the opposite.00:07
@scrottiestill, "sucks less than cvs" is good marketing.  or was.00:07
Haargsvn seems like the best you could do with the cvs-style model.  still horrible though.00:11
Haargit was actually a project jt pointed out to me, since i had done the svn to git conversion for webgui00:12
+perlDreamerckotil, check the bug board :)00:13
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r951864f / (3 files in 3 dirs): Add more tests for Calendar edge cases, and remove 1 day from the all day event window in getEventsIn. Fixes bug #11596. - http://bit.ly/9z2LBs00:54
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r4b4101e / (3 files in 3 dirs): Add more tests for Calendar edge cases, and remove 1 day from the all day event window in getEventsIn. Fixes bug #11596. - http://bit.ly/cwSulR00:55
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+perlDreamerkhenn, helpdesk patch applied to pb.com, and wg.org01:06
+perlDreamertime for testing!01:06
@khennsweet01:06
@khennI'll test later01:06
@khennbaseball time01:06
+perlDreamerit works01:15
+perlDreamerhave fun at Matthew's baseball01:15
+perlDreamerpatspam++ http://blogs.perl.org/users/sawyer_x/2010/06/perl-on-shared-hosting-ftw.html01:49
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+perlDreamerscrottie, finally getting around to WebGUI 8 comparison testing01:57
@scrottieperlDreamer, after blowing away the MySQL database and re-init'ing, the wierdness went away02:06
+perlDreamerthat's good news02:07
+perlDreamerI'll just run the current HEAD as a baseline against the old02:07
@scrottiecool.02:07
@scrottieyeah, I need to do a comprehensive test run before/after but I'm trying to figure out why some of these fields can't be copied from the old object to the new... what the rhyme and reason is.02:08
@scrottieI mean, for some of them, the problem it causes is clear, but I want to know the general pattern.02:08
@scrottieI imagine a full test suite run is just going to turn up more attributes that have to be handled specially.02:11
+perlDreamerperhaps02:13
@scrottieer, maybe not "just", but "largely".02:13
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+perlDreamerwe may need to check for those problem attributes specifically02:14
+perlDreamerfor example, session was never an attribute before now02:15
+perlDreamernow that it is, get should not return it02:15
+perlDreamerbecause it never did before02:15
+perlDreamersimilarly with keywords, but the opposite02:15
+perlDreamerget would work with keywords, but only as a convenience02:15
@scrottiein the latest iteration, get() returns allPropertiesMode => 1 when not given an argument.  when set() sees this, it skips some fields entirely and makes sure others are initialized.02:16
@scrottiebut what you suggest is interesting too.02:16
@scrottieI guess I should make a list of things get() returned before vs now.02:17
+perlDreamerwe should just make a test :)02:17
@scrottiestuff something in attributes/properties to handle how they get returned might make sense too if there aren't already clues.02:17
+perlDreamerokay, on master/HEAD, things look like they're back to normal02:18
+perlDreamerI'll write some explicit tests for everything I can think of02:18
+perlDreamerand they'll be in t/Asset.t02:18
+perlDreamersince that's the baseline Asset test suite02:18
+perlDreamerin bash, how do you do extensively nested quoting?02:19
+perlDreamer~colink/wgd for-each --exec='~colink/wgd db -e "select * from Workflow where workflowId=\'pbworkflow000000000007\' " '02:19
+perlDreamerbash doesn't like that02:19
@scrottieI don't.  perl -e.02:19
@scrottieor perl\n and type stuff.02:19
+perlDreamerthat won't work in this case02:20
@scrottiesystem, glob, ...02:20
+perlDreamerwell, maybe02:20
@scrottieqq{}, q{}02:20
@scrottiekinda weak answer, I know.02:20
@scrottiedo you really want to run those tests?  I can get to some of that in a bit here.  I just felt the need to take a break and try to figure out everything that might get initialized to something more intersting than what would get copied in.02:21
+perlDreamernow that addRev is working, I don't see a need to run an indepth comparison02:22
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+perlDreamerbut if I write the tests for what get should/shouldn't return, it'll help you immediately, and document it for the future02:22
+perlDreamerthat's a good win in this case02:22
@scrottiedidn't know if you were proposing testing versions that inspect attribute's metadata and various other things.02:23
@scrottieokay, *that* makes sense.02:23
@scrottieI just don't want to create work, that's all ;)02:23
+perlDreamerI have a VM to use for doing dev work for the 10 minutes it takes the tests to run02:24
+perlDreamerso not a total loss :)02:24
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r74b500e / t/Asset.t : Tests for properties that should be returned by get, and some that should not. Done by hash inspection. -02:37
+perlDreamerthat'll give you an idea, scrottie02:38
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@scrottieyeah.  some of these things, get() needs to return but set() needs to ignore.02:50
+perlDreamerthis may help, it may not02:52
+perlDreameranything that is a basic Moose attribute should never be set02:52
@scrottie...02:53
+perlDreamerso, if it's declared with "has", set should ignore it02:53
+perlDreamerbut if it's declared with "property", it should use it02:54
+perlDreamerwhich is just going to be odd02:54
+perlDreamersince the mutators will work02:54
+perlDreamerbut that can be fixed02:54
+perlDreamerwe can is => 'ro' them02:54
@scrottiea number of them are already ro.02:55
@scrottiegetWritableAttributes has to check metadata for that.  and does that.02:55
@scrottiein my branch.02:56
@scrottiethis takes me back to the start here.  at one point, I asked in the channel if there was any reason why set() shouldn't accept attributes as well as properties.  the consensus was that there was no reason.02:56
@scrottieturns out, there is a reason -- stuff returned from get() (nil argument list) passed back to set() clobbers initialized data with junk.02:57
+perlDreamerno, we can't is => 'ro' them02:57
+perlDreamersince there's no way to update the object itself otherwise02:57
+perlDreamerjust the database02:57
@scrottieer, in my branch, getWritableAttributes checks for ro; I haven't added ro to anything.02:57
+perlDreamerme either, not yet02:57
@scrottiemaking more things ro would fix things from my point of view but could easily break other things.02:58
@scrottieman MacBookPros get warm in the summer in AZ.02:58
+perlDreameryes02:58
@scrottiethis thing is going to need its own dedicated fan.02:58
@scrottieI don't remember... it might only have been the keywords field that benefits from set() writing attributes as well as properties.  you were suggesting wrapping keyword in the Asset::Snippet subclass; I was fussing about wraping methods at multiple points on the inheritance tree.02:59
@scrottiemaybe that is the best approach.  but I might do penance for that sin by merging mixin stuff into the class that has stuff that the mixin depends upon and flatten inheritance back into 2D.03:00
+perlDreamerI was suggesting making Keyword.pm a Role that wraps get, set, and update03:01
@scrottieoh, right.03:01
@scrottieObject is generally the root class of objects, not a mixin that some things get and not others.  you don't have objects that aren't Object.  that's silly.03:02
@scrottiewhat else besides Assets have get/set/update?03:02
@scrottieoh, Assets are a role that Assets get.03:03
* scrottie sighs03:03
+perlDreamer:)03:04
@scrottieI feel like I'm reading C here.  One thing #includes another and that #includes another.03:04
@scrottieAll the Asset*.pm classes get sucked right into Asset then all of this role stuff gets sucked in too.03:05
+perlDreamerI've lobbied for those to be made roles as well, but it was not well received03:05
@scrottieI'd really like to construct a inheritance hierachy out of this.03:05
+perlDreamerIt's pretty simple until you get to Asset.pm03:06
@scrottieyou're essentially monkey patching the heck out of something.  you have core functionality -- such as object construction -- living off in monkey patches.03:06
+perlDreamerdo you mean the newByLineage method, or something else?03:06
@scrottiedon't remember.03:07
+perlDreamerbut yes, it's weird having AssetClipboard pushing stuff into the Asset namespace03:07
+perlDreamerthat's what a Role is supposed to do03:07
+perlDreamerbut there aren't any other objects that would benefit from it03:07
@scrottieroles really only make sense when you already have an existing inheritance hierachy and then, tangetical to that, you want to mix and match other functionality.03:07
@scrottieright now, there is no inheritance hierachy.03:08
@scrottieno one has sat down and said "this is a more specific case of this, and this is a more specific case of that, and all of them share this logic so it goes up there".03:08
+perlDreamermaking generalizations like that are often counter productive03:08
+perlDreamerbecause I have done that, but not on a wide scale03:08
@scrottiehrm.03:09
+perlDreamerfor example, marking an asset to always be hidden used to be copied and pasted everywhere03:10
@scrottiewell, I'm trying to explore the idea of reworking this stuff into a hierachy or class tree to the degree possible before roles are added.03:10
+perlDreamerI'll hold off on implementing any large scale roles then03:11
+perlDreameror, at the very least, I'll give you a heads up so we can talk about them03:11
@scrottieyeah.  talk would be good.03:11
@scrottieI don't know what I'm getting into.03:11
+perlDreamerwhat you want may not be feasible due to backwards compatibility03:12
@scrottieyeah.03:12
+perlDreamerbut there's no way to know until you try03:12
+perlDreamerto me, from Definition on down to Asset.pm, the hierarchy is pretty clear and straight forward03:12
+perlDreamerbut from Asset on down, it's circular03:13
+perlDreamerAn Asset isa WebGUI::Definition::Asset, which is a specialization of WebGUI::Definition03:14
+perlDreamerattributes of the Asset get Definition/Role/Asset, which is a specialization of Role/Object03:14
+perlDreamerand then there's the meta class methods03:14
@scrottieack 'with ' | grep -e ':with' | wc -l # 5303:18
+perlDreamerfor starters, ack 'with' Asset* will help you ignore the FormBuilder stuff03:21
+perlDreamerand the Definition stuff, neither of which you can really help03:21
+perlDreamerRssFeed is the Role for adding Rss Feeds to an Asset03:21
+perlDreamerComments adds JSON enabled comments to an Asset03:21
+perlDreamerAlwaysHidden is the role that guarantee that all instances of this asset are always hidden03:22
@scrottienice.03:22
+perlDreamerand SetStoragePermission guarantees that file system privileges track asset privileges03:22
+perlDreamerthere are 53 because they're used in various sets by different Assets, as each is needed03:22
+perlDreamerWobject and Sku should both be Roles03:23
+perlDreamerand technically, Wobject should be several roles because not all Wobjects needs everything the Wobject package provides03:23
+perlDreamerSubscribable allows users to subscribe to an asset and to be notified via email of changes03:24
+perlDreamerDid I miss any?03:24
@scrottiemix and matching behavior altering code into various subclasses of a class (Assets) seems aligned with the ideas of roles.  that I approve of.03:24
@scrottiemixing and matching03:24
@scrottieand that certainly beats cut and paste.03:24
+perlDreameryup03:24
+perlDreameraside from the monkey patching of Asset*.pm, what else do you see that bothers you?03:25
@scrottienothing at the moment!03:25
@scrottieer, wait.03:26
+perlDreameryeah, that's enough, isn't it? :)03:26
@scrottieI can always open another can of worms.03:26
+perlDreamerplease do03:26
@scrottieI'd like to see data persistance done *well*.03:26
+perlDreamerthat's a WebGUI 9 project03:26
@scrottieyeah.03:26
+perlDreamerwe'd like to see it, too03:26
+perlDreamerbut there's just no way for it to happen this quickly03:26
@scrottieand I don't think a DSL for querying the database is the answer either.03:26
@scrottiethat's a small, incremental cleanup, at best.03:26
@scrottieyeah.03:26
+perlDreamerDSL?03:27
+perlDreameryou mean WebGUI::SQL?03:27
@scrottieDBIx::Class.03:27
@scrottieKiokuDB has some neat ideas but it doesn't map to a normalized database schema.  it's just an opaque data store.03:30
* perlDreamer has to go make dinner, but I'll backlog03:31
@scrottiethink I'm done ranting.  and I'm going to head out before long here myself.  thanks for the tests and for talking through this stuff with me.03:31
@scrottieand sorry for boarding on insults there.03:32
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@scrottiebordering.04:29
+perlDreamerWebGUI people are very thick skinned04:51
+perlDreamerit comes from years of Perl people dissing us for not using Moose, DBIx::Class, and MOTD04:51
@scrottiehah04:51
@scrottieI'm happy to return cannon fire to whoever these people are.04:51
@scrottiedid you make YAPC last year?04:52
@scrottieI think I already asked you that...04:52
+perlDreamerno, I've never been to a YAPC04:52
@scrottieI did an Acme::RightSideOutObject lightning talk.  it fixes all of your inside-out object code for you and makes your inside out objects look/work right side out again.04:53
@scrottieprevious two YAPCs had talk after talk on inside out objects.  then *poof*, people stopped talking about that and started talking about Moose.  subtext was, if you use the module de jour, you're going to get stuck having to take all of that out if you want to follow the next trend.04:55
+perlDreamerexactly04:55
+perlDreameralthough, I think Moose is around to stay04:55
+perlDreamerbut that's just a WAG04:55
* perlDreamer is off for further domestic tasks!04:55
@scrottiealrigh.  tomorrow...04:56
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r7b27498 / lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm : Change ->get to direct object accessors. - http://bit.ly/9TYbz006:00
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * re3de7cd / t/AssetHelper/Cut.t : Update object accessors, fix a problem with pasting. - http://bit.ly/cbXXV206:00
@frodwithDamn you people.  I'm going to have to start paying attention to this channel if you keep up this interesting conversation stuff.06:17
+perlDreamerha!06:17
+perlDreamerfrodwith, when do you journey south, next?06:18
@scrottieoh, heh, I did the same thing and ran a smattering of tests.  nice, perlDreamer.06:18
@frodwithWhenever I feel the need, perlDreamer.  I'm not out of nifty books to read yet, but me and the wife have been kind of cabin-fevery lately.  You want to meet up soonish?06:19
+perlDreamerthe kids are out of school in two weeks, which would make getting together more difficult06:19
+perlDreamernot impossible, but more difficult06:19
@frodwithwhenever's good for you is probably good for me.  I'm pretty commitment-less outside of sunday mornings.06:20
* perlDreamer will check the schedule06:22
+perlDreamertomorrow06:22
+perlDreamertime for this old man to go to sleep, so that the servers can wake me up in a few hours06:22
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rdcb9bac / t/Definition/Asset.t : One plan per test, please! - http://bit.ly/94r9Dg06:24
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r2976539 / t/Macro/UsersOnline.t : Content check via truthiness. - http://bit.ly/cl3gPj06:27
@scrottiealright, tomorrow I'm going to see about subclass get/set/update in ::Snippet to accept keyword.  that should be quick, fun, sane and easy.06:29
@scrottieafter beating a long path around the outside =P06:29
@scrottiethanks for your help and g'nite.06:29
@scrottieI'll also try to propose solutions and roll up patches rather than blathering on so much... once I'm a little more sure of what I'm doing ;)06:30
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carograyhello. Good morning, good day!13:48
carograyJust wondering...is there a way to get the title of an asset to appear in 'tool tip' in the navigation asset?13:49
carograyso the links in ...huh, maybe I wll just try it. 13:49
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+bartjolcarogray: did you succeed?15:51
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* perlDreamer has to drop the kids off at school, back in 2017:44
@tavistoat the pool17:45
+bartjolthe pool?18:03
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+perlDreamerDoes everybody get to go to the pool except for me?18:52
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@khennis there a general template variable for isAdmin ?19:52
+perlDreamercheck the session template variables19:53
+perlDreamerkhenn:session.var.adminOn19:55
+perlDreameroh, wait19:55
+perlDreamerisAdmin?19:55
+perlDreamerno19:55
@khennok just admin on19:55
+perlDreameryeah19:55
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5a904a8 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Do not delete cron tasks with errors, just notify spectre of the problem. Fixes bug #11604. - http://bit.ly/9jwuTr20:57
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r723e376 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Do not delete cron tasks with errors, just notify spectre of the problem. Fixes bug #11604. - http://bit.ly/cIud3l20:58
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@scrottiegood morning.21:03
+perlDreameryo, scrottie21:05
+perlDreamerall: http://www.webgui.org/download/advisories/loss-of-scheduler-tasks21:13
+perlDreamerall: http://www.webgui.org/download/advisories/loss-of-scheduler-tasks21:13
+perlDreamerwhoops21:14
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+perlDreamerhey, knowmad21:14
knowmadhey pd21:14
knowmadit's been a looong time; too long21:14
+perlDreamerhopefully you've been very busy :)21:14
knowmadbut we've been busy creating award-winning WebGUI sites!21:15
knowmadour Mallard Creek design won 2 Hermes Creative awards21:15
+perlDreamerawesome!  Congratulations.21:15
knowmadhttp://www.webgui.org/sightings/business/gallery/mallard-creek-polymers21:15
knowmadwe've also been contracted by a local university to implement a new site in wG21:16
+perlDreameryou should tell Tavis so he can put a note in that about the award21:16
knowmadand i'm talking to them about doing workflows which would be cool21:16
+perlDreamerknowmad, are you subscribed to the advisories?21:17
knowmadgood idea21:17
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knowmadi think so, why?21:17
+perlDreamerhttp://www.webgui.org/download/advisories/loss-of-scheduler-tasks21:17
ckotilah, the patch their? the email didnt have a link to it21:17
ckotilerr. there.21:17
+perlDreamerit was an attachment to the original post on the CS21:18
knowmadouch! will that impact upgrades from 7.7 or just those who upgraded to the versions that were affected?21:18
+perlDreamerit's in 7.8.18 and 7.9.3 and higher21:19
knowmadbut if i wait until the fix is released before upgrading past those versions, i'll be OK?21:19
knowmadwe're a bit behind on our upgrades...21:19
+perlDreameryes, you'll be fine if you wait until 7.9.7, or 7.8.2121:20
knowmadcool21:20
knowmadhey, besides needing to check-in and say hello, i also have a question21:20
+perlDreamerask away :)21:20
knowmadat one time I thought that the data form was storing edits to entries; eg., i add an entry then view it and edit it and it stores a new copy21:21
knowmadi just tried this out on the demo site and it appears to not be available anymore21:21
knowmador at least not via the GUI21:21
knowmadi haven't gone digging into the db yet21:21
+perlDreamerI haven't looked at the DataForm in a while, but as far as I know that should still work21:21
knowmadok, i'll double-check the code; thanks21:22
knowmadnope, doesn't appear to store changes any longer -- http://demo.webgui.org/demo1275588337_449/home/form21:28
ckotildoes the restore cron script overwrite existing default crons?21:28
+perlDreamerno21:30
+perlDreamerif the cron is missing, it adds it21:30
+perlDreamerotherwise, it leaves it alone21:30
ckotilcool21:30
ckotilthanks21:30
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Haargknowmad, as far as i know, edits were never saved in dataform entries.  i believe the sql form did though.00:11
knowmadHey Haarg. Thanks for the feedback. I must be thinking of that...00:12
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@scrottiemmmm'kay.00:33
knowmaddo i have to upgrade from 7.7.22 to 7.7.33 in order to go to 7.8.20?00:38
Haargyes00:39
knowmadthis is not clearly indicated from any of the docs I'm reading00:39
knowmadis this an assumed upgrade path to go to last stable branch of current major.minor release?00:39
@preactionyes00:40
Haargthat's a good assumption that has been stuck to since 7.4 at least.00:40
Haargit should also be explicitly mentioned in the gotchas file00:41
knowmadHaarg: the only mention in gotchas is upgrading to 7.7.2000:41
Haarghmm00:42
knowmadyeah, you can see why I tried to go straight from 7.7.22 to 7.8.20 (yeah, i should know better but it's been awhile since i've done my upgrades)00:46
+perlDreamerknowmad, wait a week before upgrading to 7.8.2100:51
+perlDreameruntil next Tuesday, when the fix for the cron bug comes out00:51
+perlDreamerotherwise, you're just making more work for yourself00:51
+perlDreamerwith patching and all00:51
knowmadyeah, thanks for reminder; i will do that for production; i'm just testing the pathway00:51
Haarg7.8.21 gotcha also needs fixing00:52
+perlDreamerthanks, Haarg!00:52
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r638ab2a / docs/gotcha.txt : Fix the gotcha for .21, and document the stop version for 7.7.33 to 7.8.13 - http://bit.ly/cF4vU000:54
+perlDreamerknowmad, also see this wiki page: http://www.webgui.org/wiki/stop-versions00:54
knowmadahh, so that is documented!00:54
Haargi definitely want to get something for stop versions in WebGUI::Upgrade, but there are a number of things to take care of before that00:55
knowmadi'm working on going through the 7.x changelogs to document the major changes between releases00:55
knowmadis there anything in the wiki along those lines that i've overlooked? no need to duplicate others work00:55
knowmadHaarg: ++00:55
Haargi should be done with the current thing i've been working on and can get back to WebGUI stuff00:55
+perlDreamerknowmad, I don't know of any page like that00:56
+perlDreamerbut if you start it, I'll contribute to it00:56
knowmadok, i'm up to v7.2 at this point00:56
+perlDreamer7.2?00:56
+perlDreamer7.2.0?00:57
knowmadit's actually pretty interesting; there's been a LOT of work00:57
knowmadsince 7.000:57
+perlDreameryes, yes there has00:57
knowmadi'll post a wiki entry when i'm finished00:57
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@preactiondoes anyone remember a RawHeadTags macro?01:23
+perlDreamermacro?01:26
+perlDreamerno01:26
@preactionlost to time, good.01:26
+perlDreamerfound it01:30
+perlDreamerback in 6.801:30
+perlDreamerRawHeadTags was a way to push arbitrary data into the head tags01:33
+perlDreamerI'm guessing that in the 6.9 series, when the session changes happened, that it went away, since Templates were given head tag blocks01:34
+perlDreamerHaarg++ for importing all the SVN and CVS history into git01:34
Haargi just finished another svn to git conversion actually01:35
Haargfor DBIx::Class01:35
+perlDreamerI heard :)01:35
+perlDreamerpatspam spread the news01:35
+patspamyeah you were getting some good kudos for it in the Perl blogosphere01:36
+perlDreamerHaarg isn't the only one getting kudos, patspam ;)01:40
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r9a1c5c9 / t/Shop/PayDriver.t : Cart cleanup from leaky PayDriver test. - http://bit.ly/anmb7C01:41
+perlDreamerHaarg, any reason that cleanup guard in WebGUI::Test shouldn't use newPending instead of new?01:52
Haargnot that i can think of01:52
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r0d2ac6a / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Get pending assets for cleanup. - http://bit.ly/bWeCCK02:13
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r3ccf71a / (t/Shop/PayDriver/Ogone.t t/Shop/ShipDriver/FlatRate.t): Better test cleanups. Hopefully, this fixes the RemoveOldCarts activity. - http://bit.ly/aopsy802:13
+perlDreamerpreaction, i think the session scratch variables are leaking randomly02:13
+perlDreamerso it's wrong to assume that the session work done this week caused it02:13
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rcd97f2e / t/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.t : Remove use_ok, SKIP, plan, END block. - http://bit.ly/9oSWcU03:11
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@khennIt feels so good to get a long standing project wrapped up04:30
@khennthat smothering feeling is finally gone04:30
+perlDreamerwhich project is that, khenn?04:39
@khennmerging duplicate users for SA04:39
@khennbeen on the docket for  4 months now04:40
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@khennperlDreamer are you here?04:50
+perlDreameryes sir04:50
+perlDreamerneck deep in Survey guts04:50
@khennI don't see any code in VersionTag.t that tests whether stuff is actually committed04:50
+perlDreamerthat's possible04:50
+perlDreamerCommitting code isn't done by VersionTag.t04:50
@khennVersionTag->commit ...04:51
+perlDreamerthat commits a tag04:51
+perlDreamerand then the tag calls each asset and commits it04:51
+perlDreamerso if you trust Asset->commit04:51
@khennI see04:51
+perlDreamerthen all you need to do is check that it was called04:51
+perlDreamerit wouldn't hurt to have code in there to do that04:51
+perlDreamerif you were so inclined04:51
@khennI'm not even sure where I'd start with that one04:52
@khennI'll just test that stuff after the fact looks right04:52
+perlDreameryou'd check asset state before and after commit04:52
+perlDreamerin the db04:52
+perlDreamersince the asset itself is ignorant of the change04:52
@khennright04:54
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@khennperlDreamer, who is the default user in the Test session?05:00
+perlDreamervisitor05:02
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+perlDreamerscrottie, I fixed a bunch of leaking tests, and we now have a few more passing tests05:05
scrottiecool.05:05
scrottieI'm moving code around.  I'd like to get some comments on this, in a few here, if you're up for it.05:06
+perlDreamersure05:06
* perlDreamer needs to learn some perl debugger basics05:10
scrottiegenerally, I figure out what line I want to start at, and do perl -d whatever.pl, then c <linenumber of where I want to start>05:11
scrottie<return> re-does the last command of 's' or 'n' and most of the time you can hit one or the other of those two and then just hit return again and again for a while05:11
scrottie's' steps into functions calls and 'n' runs any function calls but doesn't return you to the prompt or print the line it's about to execute until it returns05:12
scrottieso 'n' lets you skip over stuff you're confident of and 's' chews through everything05:12
+perlDreamers must really mean "single step"05:12
scrottieskip over = skip over viewing the full execution trace... the code still runs05:12
scrottieyeah05:12
scrottieand then at key points, do: x 2 $datastructure05:13
scrottiethat dumps $datastructure with a depth of 2.  anything much higher on OO code is pointlessly spammy.  and you can always do x 2 $datastructure->{thingie} or x 2 $datastructure->method or whatever.05:13
scrottieand beyond that it, it runs perl at the prompt, kinda REPL style.05:13
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+perlDreamerthat sounds better than diag "this", warn "that" and my $break = <>;05:14
scrottieyes and no.  I'll thrown warns and dies in for in case I'm 'n'exting over too much stuff and I want to be alerted anyway.05:15
scrottieit's mix and match.  if you know what's calling what pretty well and what code is running, warn/die is often plenty adequate.05:16
scrottiethe debugger also does breakpoints, stack traces, watching variables and other fun stuff but usually I don't any of that... ahem, other than stack traces.05:18
+perlDreameris there a command which says, finish the script with no more debugging?05:19
scrottie'c'ontinue05:20
scrottiewithout args.05:20
scrottiethe optional arg is the breakpoint which can be a line number or perl expression to evaluate.05:20
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+perlDreamerthis is very, very bad05:21
scrottie?05:21
+perlDreamerIt's the Survey05:22
+perlDreamer__ patspam __, might want to listen in05:22
+perlDreamerin the Survey test, it creates a survey05:22
+perlDreamerbut it doesn't commit it05:22
+perlDreamerlater on, a new revision is added to the survey, and it does get committed05:22
+perlDreamerbut, if you run it in WebGUI8, that doesn't happen05:22
+perlDreamerwhich means that something screwy is different about the version control code in both versions05:23
+patspamI planted that bug just to highlight a flaw in wg805:23
+perlDreamerI THOUGHT SO!05:23
+patspamheh no actually kaleb did, I just juiced it up05:24
+perlDreamerand you made it an awesome bug05:24
+patspamugh you you I really hate Survey so much05:24
+patspamwant to rewrite the whole thing from scratch05:24
+patspamagain05:24
+perlDreamerthat would be a valid WebGUI8 project05:24
+patspamyeah, maybe if sdh lands a couple of big projects we'll be able to afford to do it05:25
+patspamit's core to what we do and actually does a lot of cool stuff, but it really sucks in a lot of ways too05:25
+perlDreamerit could use a little more polish05:28
+perlDreamerit's functional now05:28
+perlDreamerbut it could be truly awesome05:28
+perlDreamerI got the dual sliders working, though05:28
+perlDreamerso it's not all bad05:28
+patspamperlDreamer++ # thanks for that :)05:32
scrottiesounds like a WhiteCastle reference.05:36
+perlDreamerscrottie: did you ever do a coverage run on wg8?05:38
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rb5d1757 / t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t : change some ->gets to direct accessors. - http://bit.ly/97MxY805:38
scrottienoep!05:39
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scrottieI've been at least partially debriefed on three other projects here, all WebGUI 7 (of course).05:43
scrottieI'm not sure how or if WebGUI 8 is going to figure in.05:44
CIA-57webgui: khenn master * r053292a / (3 files in 3 dirs): Added new API method commitAsUser allowing developers to commit version tags as other users - http://bit.ly/cVs3MR05:45
@khennperlDreamer - I just pushed my new version tag method that allows you to commit as someone outside the current session05:46
@khennwith tests05:46
@khennnot sure if you are able to use that or not05:46
@khennbut it's there05:46
@khennalright, off to bed05:46
scrottiesleep well, khenn05:46
* perlDreamer will check it out soon05:46
+perlDreamerscrottie, there's no "step out", is there?05:49
scrottiehonestly, I'm not sure.  I don't know how things work.05:49
scrottieobviously, too many projects at the same time is bad... nothing gets done after a certain point than just having meetings to talk about all of the things that haven't been done.05:50
scrottieI think 0.4 projects per programmer is ideal =)05:51
scrottieie, having slightly more than two people involved in each thing but no more.  but of course, nothing is ideal in the real world.05:52
scrottiehttp://github.com/scrottie/webgui/tree/coregetsetupdate05:52
scrottie... waiting for firefox to load its tabs05:52
+perlDreamerheading into "put kids to bed time"05:53
* perlDreamer will be in and out, with more out than in for the next 40 minutes05:53
scrottieugh.  browser.tabs.closeButtons is busted in recent versions of Firefox.  each tab will have a close button whether you like it or not.05:54
scrottiehttp://github.com/scrottie/webgui/commit/bf88cb409e534a62e71d2bdd17c5a88326e3e8d205:55
+perlDreamerscrottie, why would you do that in Snippet?05:56
+perlDreamervs some other class?05:56
scrottiehttp://github.com/scrottie/webgui/commit/58d68a6f9e70386cbdb15a53e463a5684f938f5305:57
* scrottie checks his notes to find out why05:57
scrottie"<perlDreamer> unless we make Kewyords a Role, that overrides get and update"05:57
scrottie"<perlDreamer> overrides/wraps"05:57
scrottie(typing, not pasting... typos mine)05:57
scrottiehrm.  so Keywords modifies Assets, not extends it.05:58
scrottieI got that wrong too.05:58
+perlDreamerright, WebGUI::Keywords -> WebGUI::Role::Asset::Keywords05:58
scrottiewell, all I can say is this makes all three of those failing t/Keywords.t tests pass.05:58
scrottieahem.  well, the plot thickens.  stay with me here.05:58
* perlDreamer promises to back log if away05:59
scrottiehttp://github.com/scrottie/webgui/commit/f6b7561b149081e2c073d0b17337cf20f00bdd73 ... er, I guess you already saw the meat of it.05:59
scrottiethat's cool, re: afking.05:59
scrottieif there's only one version of get/set/update, and they always honor 'keywords', KISS/"Do the simplest possible"/"Don't write it, you aren't going to need it" say to make that one version do what's needed.06:00
scrottieso, in that case, my inclination would be to put it directly into the get/set methods that, in this branch, live in Asset.pm.06:00
scrottiethoughts?06:01
+perlDreamerIt's hard to type when your fingers are in someone else's mouth06:07
scrottiehahaha06:09
scrottietake your time =)  family is important.06:09
+perlDreamerfirst thought: ping Haarg: backlog, comment06:09
scrottieworse case, there's usually (but not always) tomorrow06:09
+perlDreamersecond thought, we want get, set, and update to be generic methods available to all objects06:09
+perlDreamerso I'm 99% sure they need to stay in the Definition/Role/Object06:10
+perlDreamerwhy would you want to move them out?06:10
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+perlDreamerditto with getProperties, and getFormProperties06:10
scrottiebecause nothing else is actually using them.  they're an important part of that object's API, and they're hidden away through a chain of useses/injections/etc three times removed.06:11
+perlDreamernot using them __yet__06:11
scrottiewell, I'm telling you why I wanted to do that, not why I was right to want to do that.06:11
+perlDreamerah, sorry for the pre-emptive argumentation then :)06:11
scrottienp.06:11
scrottieI was concerned about the unnecessary complexity (and future programmers pulling hair) of then turning around and wrapping ('around') something that already comes from "far away"06:12
scrottiebut if it isn't unnecessary complexity, that's different.06:12
+perlDreamereventually, we want to have every class using this06:13
+perlDreamerif I get some spare time, I may convert User.pm over to it, for fun06:14
scrottieheh06:14
scrottie"every class" means little to me.  Assets are my entire universe right now =)06:14
* scrottie thinks, or attempts a reasonable impression of doing so06:15
+perlDreamerWebGUI/*.pm06:15
+perlDreamerExcept maybe CRUD06:15
scrottieyeah.06:15
+perlDreamernot sure what to do with CRUD, but most of what it does could be done by Definition06:15
+perlDreamerin any case, back to the Keywords stuff06:17
+perlDreamerI think the arounds need to be moved somewhere06:18
scrottieI'd rather not see Asset/Keywords.pm just doing an 'around' on code in Asset.  this *might* be the best way but if it is, I'd have to convince myself of that.06:18
+perlDreamermaybe right into Asset.pm itself06:18
scrottieyeah.  then I'm a little fuzzy on Moose.  my Moose is not top notch.06:18
+perlDreameralthough, if it was in its own Role, you could build an Asset without keywords06:18
+perlDreamerit would break lots of things06:19
+perlDreamerbut maybe you just want a very small WebGUI06:19
scrottieKISS.06:19
+perlDreamerno wiki, no Story manager06:19
+perlDreamerhard to tell06:19
scrottie"Don't build it; you won't need it"06:19
+perlDreamerthat would be up to the implementors06:19
scrottie(you might, but if you try to plan for various scenarios, you'll *usually* miss the scenario you need to plan for and plan for a lot you don't, so it's best to just keep things simple and be in a good position to adapt later)06:19
+perlDreamerhave a look at WebGUI/Role/Asset/RssFeed.pm for an example of how to build an Asset Role06:20
scrottieokay.  I'm not against the idea of mixing and matching code into assets... but if there's currently only one user of a role without immediate, real promise of others, it doesn't deserve to be a role.  that's needless complexity.  the next new guy will spend a week chasing his tail.  that's time better spent other ways.06:21
scrottiefwiw, I've worked on some real train wreck of codebases.  they always come about completely innocently.  I'm more than a little scarred by that.06:24
+perlDreamerwell, we can always keep it in out back pocket06:24
scrottiesure.06:25
scrottieapologies for the unrequested philosophy.06:25
+perlDreamerpreaction gets to make final calls on all code architecture decisions, so we should develop something06:25
+perlDreamernot a problem06:25
scrottieyeah.06:25
+perlDreamerwe're pretty outspoken and thick skinned06:25
+perlDreamerexcept for my tests06:25
+perlDreamerwhich are perfect06:25
+perlDreameryou can quote me on that06:25
scrottieokay, thoughts on this... around on set and get in Asset to handle keywords?06:25
scrottiehaha06:25
scrottiebetter than perfect... legendary.06:26
+perlDreamerI think it should be prototyped, and we show that it works, and then run it past preaction for final confirmation06:26
scrottiecan do.06:26
scrottieif I'm not sure of something, I'll just push it to branch in my github clone and ask for input.06:27
+perlDreamerfrodwith, I want to find some way for your presentation to go before mine06:27
scrottieor rather, just keep doing that.06:27
+perlDreamerscrottie, sounds good06:27
Haargscrottie, i certainly understand why you want to keep things simple06:27
Haargbut 'definition' as it is used in webgui 7 is already a nasty mess06:27
scrottieHaarg, removing "unnecessary complexity" and showing it to people is fantastic way to solicit an explanation of why it isn't "unnecessary", in the cases where it isn't.06:28
scrottieHaarg, I've learned about all sorts of back compat problems and design objectives I otherwise wouldn't have =)06:29
scrottieI've made those t/Keywords.t tests pass with five different designs now, by my count.06:30
* perlDreamer makes a note to add more Keywords tests >:)06:31
scrottiehaha06:32
scrottiethat's a really good idea.06:32
Haargwhat are the actual parts of the keywords stuff that had been failing?06:32
+perlDreamer$asset->addChild({....., keywords => 'keywords'})06:32
scrottie#   Failed test 'getMatchingAssets, by keyword, assetIds in order by creationDate, descending'06:32
scrottie#   Failed test '... retrieving assets in more than one state'06:33
scrottie#   Failed test 'check getTopKeywords returns correctly'06:33
+perlDreamerI'm pretty sure those are indirect symptos06:33
+perlDreamersymptoms06:33
+perlDreamerwe should have tests that expose them directly06:33
scrottieperlDreamer, here's one hackish thing I did:  http://search.cpan.org/~swalters/Test-Float-0.3/float.pl06:33
scrottieif you give me tests and say "make these pass", I might, just maybe, run that on them >=)06:34
scrottie(in other words, you might get technically successful but even more hare brained fixes than what I've offered so far)06:36
* perlDreamer will do my best to provide boundaries06:37
scrottie((more directly, better tests will foster better solutions))06:37
+perlDreamer"No, scrottie, you can't code that in LISP, even if it is 5 bytes smaller"06:37
scrottieheh06:37
+perlDreamer"Yes, scrottie, a 64-node parallel server would run the tests faster"06:38
scrottieyeah, I really should have installed WebGUI on the cluster.06:39
+perlDreamerthe tests don't parallelize very well06:39
scrottiehrm.06:39
+perlDreamersince they inject objects into the database which interfere with other tests06:39
scrottieI don't suppose MySQL supports nested transactions.06:39
Haargnope06:40
Haargso what are the actual solutions you found to fix the keywords issue?06:41
+perlDreamerhttp://github.com/scrottie/webgui/commit/bf88cb409e534a62e71d2bdd17c5a88326e3e8d206:41
+perlDreamerwrapping get, and set06:41
Haargwouldn't adjusting set and get to just work off attributes instead of properties accomplish the same thing?06:42
scrottieHaarg, an exception in set() for setting 'keywords', ...06:42
scrottieHaarg, that was about #3 there.  that caused all sorts of chaos.06:42
scrottieget() returns everything... set() so far silently ignored attributes.  making it honor setting them, all sorts of data got clobbered and other tests all over the place blew up.06:43
scrottiethat required heuristics to detect default data; try #4 was having get() return a flag indicating that the %attribute data came from there so blacklist a series of attributes.06:43
scrottieI spent a day hunting down the various attributes that were blowing things up and then another trying to find the rhyme or reason to it.06:44
scrottiethat might have had some potential but I think it just boils down to it being too different from WebGUI7.06:44
Haargi have a feeling you may not like it, but my first thought is to add an attribute trait to mark if something is 'writable' or not06:45
scrottienot feelings on it, but some things need to be written sometimes and need to not be written other times, for tests to pass.  title comes to mind.06:45
scrottiethe default title is bad; explicitly specified titles are good.06:46
+perlDreamerhuh?06:46
scrottiethe *best* was when lineage got set from default data.  it was ''.  when it came time to junk the asset in question, lineage '' was junked -- EVERYTHING.  everything wound up trash-limbo.06:46
scrottieit was awesome.06:46
Haargin this case, all i mean by writable is 'have set pass it off to the mutator'06:46
scrottieperlDreamer:  copying the default title from get() back to set() is bad... a better title gets initialized/specified.  it's complicated.06:47
scrottieHaarg, that's exactly what was happening.06:47
Haargyes, but you don't want set to pass lineage off to the mutator06:48
scrottieand some things are ro.  I made a method for looking at metadata to pick out the attributes that were actually writable.06:48
scrottieHaarg:  that's the catch.  a lot of things that set() needs to honor, get() returns and has to return; and passing of everything from get() straight to set() is a requirement.06:48
Haargwhat i was thinking was, have get return all attributes06:49
Haargand have set only set the ones that have been specified as writable06:49
scrottieHaarg:  check out http://github.com/scrottie/webgui/tree/keywords06:49
scrottieHaarg:  way ahead of ya.06:50
scrottiethe cleanest was passing a flag to indicate that the data came from get() and that set() should take special precautions.06:50
scrottiein-band metadata.06:51
scrottiehonestly, I don't remember why that got abandoned now.  something came up that no good solution could be found for.06:51
scrottieHaarg:  that sort of generalization felt good.06:52
Haargi guess i'm not quite seeing why you need a flag passed around when it should be information based only on the attribute itself.06:52
scrottiebecause the user won't pass in destructive data such as comes from get().06:53
scrottielineage => '' was just one case.06:53
scrottiethere were a bunch of them.06:54
Haargthat's the part i'm not understanding06:54
scrottiethe data in the newly initialized attribute was just plain better than a lot of what gets copied in.  but of what gets copied in from get(), a lot of those same things are settable by the user -- and when set by the user, they aren't evil.  they're good.06:54
scrottieyeah, and I'm a bit fuzzy on that now.  that was a day or two ago.06:54
Haargthere are cases like lineage, but those should just not be 'settable'06:55
scrottiewell, 'title' had the same problem, if memory serves.06:55
scrottiea bunch of failing tests => a bunch of kludgey fixes.06:55
Haargsomething like title though06:56
Haargweee06:56
Haargwell06:56
Haargi don't know.  perhaps i just need to try it out06:56
Haargcan you point me to some of the failing tests you saw after changing things?06:56
Haargi know the keywords test is what we need to fix06:57
scrottiethat was bjorking stuff in Asset.t I think... hang on06:58
scrottiewith more than a few tabs open, Firefox gets powerful slow06:58
Haargoh how i hate you UNIVERSAL::(can|isa)06:59
scrottiehttp://github.com/scrottie/webgui/blob/keywords/t/Asset.t ... look for the comments with XXX in them07:00
scrottieI think I'd have to read backscroll in IRC for a long way to figure out why that was abandoned.07:02
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scrottiehrm, wonder where my history is.07:03
scrottiesomewhere on the Mac.07:04
scrottienowhere on the Mac.07:06
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scrottieI think what happened is in conversation, I was told that that would break a lot of legacy apps.07:09
scrottieshow preaction the code and ask him about it.  it might have been him who warned about the implications for all of the hosted WebGUI sites.07:26
+perlDreamerit was me07:26
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Haargyeah.  i'm well aware of the backwards compatibility issues.  we're already stretching that a bit far.07:27
+perlDreamerhere are what I see the boundary conditions to be07:28
+perlDreameryou have to be able to do $asset->get(), and get the keywords, but not the session07:29
+perlDreameryou have to be able to do $asset->keywords(), and get them07:29
+perlDreamer$asset->keywords('new keywords'), and set them07:29
+perlDreamer$asset->update({keywords => 'new words'}) and set them AND write them to the db07:29
+perlDreameryou have to be able to $asset->addChild, ->addRevision({keywords => 'some words',}) and have them assigned to the object, and stuck in the db07:30
+perlDreamerthat's how it works in 707:30
+perlDreamerand that's what I (or someone) needs to write tests for07:32
+perlDreamerbut more likely tomorrow07:32
+perlDreamerit's going on 12 hours, and I'm tired07:32
+perlDreamer'night, all07:32
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scrottieI think *those* tests exist07:33
scrottieone of them, he already wrote and pusehd.07:33
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scrottiearound get and around set don't actually wrap get/set in WebGUI/Asset.pm.  grr.07:34
scrottieI guess they run before the roles get applied...?07:35
Haargthat doesn't seem right07:35
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scrottieargh.  just for giggles, I threw the 'around' stuff for get/set into a role and pulled that into WebGUI::Asset after the use WebGUI::Definition::Asset; line.07:50
scrottiestill no.07:50
scrottiethey have warnings at the top of the methods.  if they run, I'd see it, even if they don't fix the tests and function correctly.07:50
scrottiemust be doing something wrong07:51
CIA-57webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r7933e12 / lib/WebGUI/Definition/Role/Object.pm : get() shouldn't return session; fixes the Asset.t "get, specific properties - no session" test - http://bit.ly/b6F9sK08:16
scrottielow hanging fruit.  for a change.08:16
Haargscrottie, something like this is what i had in mind: http://gist.github.com/42500408:41
Haargthe name of that trait is shitty and there are other problems, but it shows the basic idea08:42
scrottieI thought about doing something like that but lacked the Moose-fu.08:43
scrottiegrab me and perlDreamer tomorrow and run it by him.08:44
scrottieI'm kinda wishing right now that all of these attributes/properties were just first class, non "meta" object, AWT-style.08:45
scrottieor else that keywords just graduated to being a property.08:46
scrottiebut you're right... the line between properties and attributes doesn't exactly follow what's settable and what isn't, so that abstraction breaks down.08:46
scrottiebtw, http://github.com/scrottie/webgui/commit/4b117ec0192adc6fd50b8e40e994304d65924a1908:49
scrottie... I think I have to punt on this one and move on to other stuff.08:51
scrottiewith 'WebGUI::Role::Asset::Keywords'; in Asset.pm didn't make it into that commit.  oops.08:51
Haargwhere in Asset.pm?08:52
scrottieafter the use WebGUI::Definition::Asset; line08:53
Haargwhat branch are you basing that off?  i'm not noticing anything incorrect about that right now, but i just tried roughly the same thing and it seems to work fine for me.08:55
Haarghttp://gist.github.com/42502508:57
Haargand the warning shows up08:58
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scrottiestrange.10:24
scrottiewow, I'm still awake.  why is that?10:24
scrottiebased off of b5d17576b0f041f8a204257762a5f6a6a56e941c10:24
+bartjolscrottie: I don't know, because it's 9:30 in the morning?10:34
scrottiehrm.  because I was wrong about codepaths.  thought the constructor would initialize the attribute.  based on other things that worked, I thought that was happening.  I'll have to look at this fresh.10:39
+bartjol:)10:42
+bartjolmore coffee10:42
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CIA-57webgui: martin master * r73c762d / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed bug where Template form plugin would not show anything for getValueAsHtml. - http://bit.ly/dz9WiK14:29
CIA-57webgui: Martin Kamerbeek webgui-7.8 * r8df4cdb / (3 files in 3 dirs): 14:38
CIA-57webgui: Fixed bug where Template form plugin would not show anything for getValueAsHtml.14:38
CIA-57webgui: Conflicts:14:38
CIA-57webgui:  docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt - http://bit.ly/byDKXt14:38
CIA-57webgui: Martin Kamerbeek webgui-7.8 * r61031af / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Accidentally merged additional line from master changelog. - http://bit.ly/9G4HUp14:42
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SDuensinCaptain Obvious says, "IT'S FRIDAY!"16:16
+bartjolCEO: captain extremely obvious, that's  management for you16:53
@khennThe help desk pagination issues are now fixed17:10
@khenn(and the crowd goes wild!)17:10
@khenn=)17:10
+bartjolwell done frank17:16
* bartjol gives Frank a tap on his shoulder17:17
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@frodwithperlDreamer: what's your presentation?17:28
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@frodwithperlDreamer: what's your presentation on?17:51
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+perlDreamerI'll be talking about WebGUI8, and assets17:52
+perlDreamerhaving the Moose talk first would help17:52
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@bopbopfrodwith: you can ask jamie to flip yours and perldreamer's presentations around17:56
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qwebirc46744a quick question to those that are around, does webgui provide ldap intergration?17:58
@khennyes17:58
@khennit works both over regular ports and SSL17:59
qwebirc46744is there a module/plugin/addon for document management for webgui?18:00
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@khennnot sure what you mean qwebirc4674418:08
@khennare you asking for documentation on how to configure WebGUI for LDAP?18:09
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+patspammornin' folks!19:00
+perlDreamermorning, patspam!19:00
+perlDreamerdid you get some good coffee this morning?19:00
+patspamnot in this town ;(19:01
+patspamI'm on the wrong coast I think19:01
+perlDreamerfor coffee, yes19:01
+perlDreamerI'll bring you a bag for the WUC19:01
+patspamwooh!19:01
+patspamI've considered starting a cafe more than once since arriving here19:01
+patspamhow long do you reckon it'd take to add Drafts to wG's inbox?19:02
+patspamjust had a client feature request for it19:02
+perlDreamerhm19:03
+perlDreamerIt'd be a bit19:03
+perlDreamerThe inbox messages would need a new state19:03
+perlDreamerDraft19:03
+perlDreamerthe current inbox would have to filter on that19:03
+perlDreamerthere would have to be a UI for it19:04
+perlDreamerto display the list of drafts19:04
+perlDreamerthen to allow them to be edited19:04
+perlDreamerall the UI has to be templated19:04
+patspamthis is why webgui needs a freelance marketplace19:05
+patspamshould be able to flag an RFE as "open for tender"19:06
+perlDreamer1-2 weeks on the outside, patspam19:07
+perlDreamerpatspam, you should also talk with khenn, because he submitted an RFE for adding Sent Mail to the Inbox19:08
+perlDreamermaybe the two could dovetail?19:08
+patspamyeah I reckon19:08
+patspamwe half added Sent Mail already though19:08
+patspamit's just very simplistic19:08
@khenninbox is currently broken19:08
@khennso I wouldn't do anything there just yet19:08
@khennnot till it's fixed19:09
+patspamhey khenn19:09
+patspamwhat's broken?19:09
@khenntwo problems19:09
@khennit's not showing users all of their inbox messages19:09
@khennit's using the wrong query to display them19:09
@khennI already posted a solution for that one19:10
@khennhaven't had a chance to fix and test though19:10
@khennthe other issue is that there are processes in webgui that are deleting inbox messages without using the API19:10
@khennand so they are creating orphaned data19:10
@khennin the inbox_messageState table19:10
@khennalso an easy fix but it needs to come with an upgrade to clean that stuff up19:11
+patspamwhat sorts of messages are not displaying?19:11
@khenngroup ones19:11
@khennso you are in group a19:11
@khenngroup a is sent an email19:11
@khennyou see the email in your inbox19:12
@khennbut you don't read it19:12
@khennthen you are removed from group a19:12
@khennthat message is still tied to your account19:12
@khennbut it won't show in your inbox anymore19:12
+patspamha19:12
@khennand19:12
@khennit still reports it as an unread message19:12
+patspamoh brilliant19:12
@khennso you wind up with people having unread messages they can no longer do anything about19:12
+patspamat least it makes the bug obvious19:13
@khennyeah19:13
@khennit's my fault19:13
@khenntoo19:13
@khenn=(19:13
+perlDreamerYour fault, you fix it!19:13
+patspamheh don't feel bad, after those performance tweaks you've got lots of excess karma19:13
+perlDreamerShame, shame on you and your whole family19:13
+patspamperlDreamer and I are doing good cop, bad cop19:14
@khennwhat performance tweaks?19:14
@khennyou mean the group stuff?19:14
+patspamyeah19:14
@khennah yeah19:14
@khennnot sure if you've upgraded yet19:15
@khennbut it's a lot faster19:15
+patspamnah I haven't upgraded most of my sites yet19:15
+patspamwere you talking about Nav performance tweaks too?19:15
+patspamthat would be much bigger for me19:15
+patspamlast time I checked 50% of the response time on the front page of the default site is spent doing Nav19:16
@khennyes19:17
@khennJT didn't like my idea19:17
@khennnot sure if that swayed preaction or not19:17
+perlDreameryou'll come up with another one19:17
@khennI don't think I have to19:17
@khennI think my idea is valid and not a hack19:17
@khennas long as preaction is still ok with it19:18
@khennI'll just add API methods for doing what needs to be done19:18
@khennthat way it's not hacked in19:18
@preactionso some way to short-circuit canView19:19
@preactiontest it first, it might not be that much faster19:20
@khennwell I was thinking that canView could be called as a class Method19:20
@khennas well as a session method19:20
@preactionhow? it needs all the data from the database19:20
@khennif it gets called from the class it would just look the stuff up it needs directly from the db19:20
@khennwithout instantiating the asset19:20
+perlDreamerbreaking object encapsulation for the sake of speed isn't the best of ideas19:21
@khennthough now that I think about it19:21
@khennthat won't work19:21
@preactionit's that very DB query, looking up the stuff, that is the problem. the idea you had was joining assetData, and using groupIdView if you absolutely knew that was the only permissions check19:21
@khennright19:21
@khennthat's still the idea19:21
@khennjust trying to figure out how to make it work without "hacking" it19:22
@preactionthere are other db queries we can remove during a page request, the template attachments have three queries when it could be one for example19:22
@khennI was also mulling around the idea of a quick asset instance method19:22
@khennbut I'm not sure that will work either19:22
@khennactually, you know what might work19:23
@khennnewByHashRef19:23
@khennno never mind19:23
@khennthat won't work either19:23
@khennmeh19:23
@khenntoo much going on to think about it19:23
+perlDreamerpatspam, got some Survey questions for you19:23
@khennI need to duck out for a bit19:23
+patspamshoot19:23
+perlDreamerIf a Survey is not committed, can you still take the survey?19:24
+patspamno idea19:24
+patspamI don't think the code ever considers whether or not the instance is committed19:25
+patspamit just inherits whatever wobjects do in that situation19:25
+perlDreamerthis is the problem I'm seeing in the Survey.t test19:26
+perlDreamerThe main survey used in the test is never committed19:27
+perlDreamerbut when it adds a response, it commits the first version, and leaves the new version uncommitted19:27
+perlDreamerThis is causing bad problems in WebGUI819:27
+patspamah right19:27
+patspamso19:27
+patspamthat's related to Survey trying to be smart about edits to its structure19:27
+perlDreameryes19:28
+patspamthe structure is versioned19:28
+patspamso if someone has already started a response, changes you make to the structure don't affect them19:28
+perlDreamerand that requires the responses to be correspondingly versioned19:28
+patspamnew changes to structure don't get committed as a new version until someone starts a new response19:29
+patspamso in that test, starting the response causes a version commit19:29
+perlDreamersubmitObjectEdit causes the commit.  I'm not sure if that is called upstream by the new response or not19:31
+patspamperlDreamer: was "1-2 weeks on the outside" serious or a joke?19:37
+perlDreamerI think it'll take 3-4 days if everything goes smoothly19:38
+patspamyeah that's more like it :)19:38
+perlDreamerso, 1-2 weeks was a loose estimate19:38
scrottieHaarg, did you run t/Keywords.t on your example?  on my machine... and I upgraded to the latest Moose... the warns in the wrapping methods don't go off.20:10
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r4eca8bb / t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t : Commit the initial Survey for the test. - http://bit.ly/caFX4320:38
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Haargscrottie, yes i did20:39
scrottiehmm.  out of curiousity, did those three failing tests pass?20:40
scrottieer, wait20:40
scrottiesorry, different code20:40
Haargi had my other patch in there so everything worked20:40
scrottieperlDreamer, do you want to see if you can get that patch to work and if so commit it?20:41
+perlDreamerwhich patch, scrottie?20:41
scrottieor adapt it however you see fit and commit it?  it follows your original suggestion.20:41
+perlDreamerwrapping get and set in Asset.pm20:42
Haarghttp://gist.github.com/425004 this is roughly the idea i had keywords stuff20:42
scrottiethat one, or else pulling in a role that's only ever used there =P20:42
scrottieoh yeah.  and Haarg was still exploring settable attributes.  I told him to talk to you.20:42
scrottieI'm trying to wash my hands of this.  I've spent too much time on these three failed tests in t/Keywords.t.20:43
scrottiehttp://github.com/scrottie/webgui/commit/4b117ec0192adc6fd50b8e40e994304d65924a19 ... that for one isn't working.20:44
+perlDreamerscrottie, it's not just those 3 tests20:45
+perlDreamerit's also t/Story.t, t/Asset/Wobject/Story*.t20:46
+perlDreamert/WikiPage.t20:46
+perlDreamerand several others20:46
scrottieI know there are more failing tests; I'm not trying to fix all of them with one patch.20:46
scrottieI am running prove > prove$n.txt and komparing output to make sure that I don't break stuff.20:46
scrottieafter that first fumble.20:46
scrottieI have another branch sitting here that I don't think I've pushed that does the same thing but with a 'with' and that moved into a role.  Actually I think I emailed you a link to that and did push it.20:47
scrottieand asked for comments on what I was doing wrong with Moose.20:47
+perlDreamerHaarg, I think that works for everything, except the direct accessor20:48
+perlDreamer$asset->keywords('new, keyword, list');20:48
scrottieI am trying to solve the problem in the general case to some degree ;)  and so is Haarg.  I'm trying to move on to other things here but if you're occupied right now we can hash through options later.20:48
Haargwhat kind of behavior do we want that to have perlDreamer?20:49
+perlDreamerit should work just like $asset->set('keywords', 'new, keyword, list');20:49
Haargit does20:49
+perlDreamerhow does it work in the direct case?20:51
Haargit's just an accessor20:52
scrottieAsset's keyword attribute has an 'around' on it already.20:52
scrottiethat calls off to SetKeywordsForAsset or whatever that is.20:52
Haarg->keywords and ->set('keywords') just set the value in memory20:53
Haarg->write sets it in the database20:53
Haarg(in my code)20:53
+perlDreamerI see, I missed the line for the write method20:54
Haargit fixes t/Keyword.t and t/Asset.t stays the same.  kind of simplifies things as well.  'Settable' as a marker attribute trait isn't perfect but it does seem like something we need so i don't know if there is a better name or implementation of a flag like that.20:56
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+perlDreamerHaarg, that seems to work fine21:07
+perlDreamerI added explicit tests for that in Asset.t21:07
+perlDreamerand they're all passing21:07
+perlDreamerI'll try the whole suite next21:07
+perlDreameris there someplace I can pull21:07
Haargit's not pushed anywhere21:07
Haargthe other thing i don't like is the ->keywords('list, of, keywords') vs ->keywords(['list', 'of', 'keywords']) thing.  a type coercion may be a good way to deal with that though.21:09
+perlDreameryeah21:13
+perlDreamersetKeywordsForAsset will take either21:14
+perlDreamerbut whatever is left in the asset object is another story21:14
+perlDreamerbut, in 721:14
+perlDreamerit works with strings21:15
+perlDreamerso we should probably coerce from array to string21:15
Haargyeah21:15
+perlDreamerwhat were we thinking back then?21:17
Haargask jt21:19
+perlDreamermaybe we can fix it in WebGUI 8.1 ... ;)21:19
+perlDreamerThe keywords, not JT21:19
@preactionoh i'll fix him, i'll fix him with both hands21:19
* preaction can get him metal legs21:20
+perlDreamerare those like concrete shoes?21:20
+perlDreamerwhile adding lots of tests is great for coverage21:22
+perlDreamerit's bad for time21:22
+perlDreamerHaarg, it's a winner!21:32
+perlDreamerCould you push and merge, or do you want me to commit this?21:32
Haargyou can go ahead21:32
scrottieHaarg++21:32
+perlDreamerso done21:33
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r8c759ed / (5 files in 4 dirs): Implement keywords differently (successfully) in the Asset class. Extra tests to verify it in Asset.t - http://bit.ly/bC1Mzo21:34
@frodwithperlDreamer: http://www.plainblack.com/wuc/schedule21:50
@frodwithgot vrby to switch 'em21:50
+perlDreameryou are a man of considerable influence21:50
* perlDreamer takes a lunch break21:51
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@preactiontrying to run the 8 test suite: Can't locate WebGUI/Definition/Meta/Settable.pm22:26
@preactionhttp://sshmenu.sourceforge.net/articles/bcvi/ <- we should install this on our servers.22:31
@preactionperlDreamer: looks like you missed adding WebGUI::Definition::Meta::Settable22:34
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scrottiethere's sshfs for FUSE...22:47
scrottiethen you can run vi locally on remote files.22:47
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@preactionyeah. that would work, but it would require setup each time i wanted to do something. bcvi requires one-time setup and then Just Works23:00
+perlDreamersorry, preaction23:19
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r193223c / lib/WebGUI/Definition/Meta/Settable.pm : Adding Settable flag for non-properties that should be handled by set/write. - http://bit.ly/a4sxYN23:20
+perlDreamerdown to 24 failing WebGUI8 tests23:28
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rdd716fa / (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset.t): Fix the default URL for an Asset. It should be based on the parent, if available, and the menutitle. - http://bit.ly/chWp0323:28
+perlDreamer2323:32
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r13e59e7 / t/Asset/Wobject/EventManagementSystem.t : EMS does not return session as a template variable any longer. - http://bit.ly/d8vTh823:32
@preactionfailing test scripts?23:32
+perlDreameryes23:32
@preactionor tests period?23:32
+perlDreamerscripts23:32
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r0a9785e / t/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.t : Fix a simple typo in the script. - http://bit.ly/920itN23:34
+perlDreamerscrottie, could you look at t/Asset/JSONCollateral next?23:35
+perlDreamerit will need a complete rewrite, both the test, and the module23:35
scrottiewhat am I looking for?23:35
+perlDreamerJSONCollateral should be reconsidered in light of the JSONArray WebGUI::Type module23:35
scrottieI think Frank is having me fix some alumini site bugs and then do some development, and then I'm supposed to be working on the helpdesk rewrite too, but otherwise, sure.23:36
scrottie(but in reality I'm on lunch trying to make bloody Firefox work... I blew away .firefox and started over since it was getting impossibily, unusably slow, and now it won't install plugins)23:36
scrottieand today is going to be short... I'm supposed to hike tomorrow, which I should have said no to, so I have to pack and get over to the other side of town and be to bed in time to getup at 5am.23:37
scrottieso, yeah, sure, as long as you aren't in a huge hurry.23:38
scrottiemaybe in five or ten years I'll figure out how to operate a bloody webbrowser.23:38
+perlDreameryou need one of them pointy rat thinies23:38
+perlDreamerthingies23:38
@preactiona rat flail?23:44
+perlDreameris that like a cat o' nine tails?23:45
@preactionhttp://www.myfconline.com/boards/uploads/14340.jpg <- no. it's a flail made of rats23:45
+perlDreamerkhenn, you've exceeded your quote for bug postings this week23:45
+perlDreamerplease retract a couple of them23:45
@khennwell I'm fixing one of them23:45
@khennI've assigned that one to myself23:45
+perlDreamerthat's okay then23:45
@khenn=)23:45
+perlDreamerwould you like some more to be assigned, too?23:46
+perlDreamerwe can do that23:46
@preactionhttp://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=11023:46
* perlDreamer is out to pick up the kids.23:48
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r910a0a0 / (t/AssetAspect/RssFeed.t t/lib/WebGUI/Asset/RssAspectDummy.pm): Upgrade this test for Definition. Something bad is still happening in export. - http://bit.ly/cq6DWR23:49
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CIA-57webgui: khenn master * rd082e4e / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm : Fixed #11613 - After successful save of a Thing, the form is cleared for the next thing to be entered - http://bit.ly/b0uoaz01:04
CIA-57webgui: khenn master * r18af5d1 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Fixed #11613: Thingy: If next action after add is to add more things, previous data remains - http://bit.ly/aOcCwC01:04
CIA-57webgui: khenn master * r5a329f8 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/csbXGX01:04
+perlDreamerkhenn, should that fix be backported to the 7.8 branch?01:05
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@khennI think Colloquy just crashed my server01:11
@khenner01:11
@khennmy computer01:11
@khennperlDreamer:  I don't think it needs to be backported01:12
@khennit's not a fatal bug01:12
+perlDreamerwe backport all bugs back to 7.801:12
* perlDreamer was trying to prod you politely01:13
+perlDreamerbut since that didn't work...01:13
@khennoh01:14
@khennguess I'm not set up to do that01:14
@khennis there a way to merge changes?01:14
+perlDreameryes01:15
+perlDreamermake a checkout of the 7.8 branch01:15
+perlDreamergit checkout --track --branch webgui-7.8 webgui-7.801:15
+perlDreamerthat will not only make the branch, but make you use it01:15
+perlDreamerthen you use the cherry-pick command to bring in the commits from another branch01:16
+perlDreamergit cherry-pick d082e4e01:16
+perlDreamerand for the other two branches01:16
+perlDreameryou may have a merge conflict with the changelog01:16
+perlDreamerif so, just resolve it like you would with SVN01:17
+perlDreamerand then...01:17
+perlDreamergit add file_with_merge_problems01:17
@khennyeah I deal with cherry-picks01:17
@khennyep01:17
@khennwould you mind merging this one for me?01:17
@khennI'm having issues with my computer01:17
@khennI'll check out 7.8 after I do a reboot01:18
@khennneed to patch a server first though01:18
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CIA-57webgui: khenn webgui-7.8 * re1be898 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm : Fixed #11613 - After successful save of a Thing, the form is cleared for the next thing to be entered - http://bit.ly/a7V9Gv01:21
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * rf81eeeb / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Fixed #11613: Thingy: If next action after add is to add more things, previous data remains - http://bit.ly/bqsEJY01:21
CIA-57webgui: khenn master * re74753c / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm : Not enough arguments to searchOther - http://bit.ly/9DXE5701:29
+perlDreamerpreaction, in the new style chooser, can we make Style3 on by default, and put a save button at the top as well as the bottom?01:32
@preactionsure, but then put Style_03 on the top as well01:32
scrottiedocs say to connect to the newly running WebGUI instance (using 7 here...) and it'll "walk me through the rest of the configuration".  that doesn't seem to be happening.  the "Getting Started" and "Your Next Step" do nothing and I don't know what the initial password is.02:07
scrottiehttp://www.webgui.org/wiki/wre-installation says to go to /setup but that gives "The URL setup was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree."02:09
scrottieneed the thing running to test alumini fixes.02:10
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scrottiewow, did people actually get off the computer and show their faces to their loved ones?  GOOD.  thank heavens.02:12
scrottieyou people scare me.02:13
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+perlDreamerscrottie: if you build a site with wgd reset -d, it skips the site starter02:27
+perlDreamertime for me to show my face to the fam02:29
+perlDreamerI'll be back on later, or tomorrow.02:29
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scrottieIt's Friday!  Go drink!  See a movie!02:56
scrottieJoust tallbikes.  Go skydiving.  Something.02:56
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Haargscrottie, re: site startup03:28
Haargthe thing in the wre docs is for the WRE setup, allowing you to add new sites etc03:29
Haargthere is also the WebGUI site starter which is shown for new WebGUI sites03:29
Haargwgd reset -d will disable the site starter, as usually when developing you don't need it03:29
Haargin that case it leaves the username/password the same as the default, which is 123qwe03:29
Haargwgd reset will also accept the --starter and --no-starter switches to control that03:30
Haargthe wre console password is the mysql root user password, so if you need that it's a separate issue03:31
Haargwgd reset also has an option to attempt to use your local cookies to automatically log you on to the site so you don't need to do that step either03:32
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scrottieHaarg:  nice, nice, nice.  thank you.03:55
scrottiePerlDreamer, you better be jet skiing!03:55
scrottieI'm out... cheers.03:55
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d34df00dHi!20:57
d34df00dIs there a way to have different language versions of each article?20:57
d34df00dShow only one of them at the same time, based on user preferences or cookies or whatever seems best, but allow to switch the language.20:57
d34df00dAnd, maybe, encode the language code (like home/welcome/en or home/welcome/ru for example) to optimize for search engines. They seem to not like when the same page on the same URL may appear in different languages.20:58
d34df00dI've googled a bit and found http://www.webgui.org/web_design_templates_and_themes/creating-a-multilingual-website, but the final comment there says:20:58
d34df00dThere is internationalization of the interface of WebGUI. So you can translate WebGUI strings into your own language but there is no true support for multilingual websites unfortunately... I also would like to have it though.20:58
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8d85912 / t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t : Commit the initial Survey for the test. - http://bit.ly/cIfCDt07:24
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rbe259d8 / (2 files in 2 dirs): 08:27
CIA-57webgui: Fix problems with assetExportHtml. The method needs to be rethought, and make08:27
CIA-57webgui: check that one exists before calling it via can/DOES. Fix a problem with08:27
CIA-57webgui: duplicating the session, since duplicate is not a class method. -08:27
CIA-57webgui: http://bit.ly/dqcw6p08:27
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd81a28b / (6 files in 3 dirs): Fix some broken Form fields. Fixes bug #11611 - http://bit.ly/9VNQoo08:30
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * rf6408ce / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix some broken Form fields. Fixes bug #11611. - http://bit.ly/ahLq2k08:33
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc5203cb / lib/WebGUI/Form/FieldType.pm : Remove some debug code. - http://bit.ly/96Dv7W08:33
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SDuensinHowdy.16:32
+bartjolahoi cowboy16:35
+bartjolmmm, the bug tracker seems a bit borked16:56
plainhaohow so, bartjol?16:58
+bartjolthe pagination isn't working16:58
plainhaoyou mean in search?16:59
+bartjolyes16:59
plainhaoyeah, i noticed that too16:59
plainhaofrank closed the ticket already, maybe he forgot to push something for the fix16:59
+bartjoltrying to find an old bug16:59
+bartjolchangelogs are prolly better17:00
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+bartjolfound it!17:36
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+perlDreamermorning, folks17:57
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r20e6ba5 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a typo in the CS sort by hover help. Fixes bug #11610 - http://bit.ly/cJg1lW18:00
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * rf872b46 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a typo in the CS sort by hover help. Fixes bug #11610 - http://bit.ly/b0LCRf18:00
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r8de257f / (3 files in 3 dirs): Make the state field required in the ITransact credentials form. Fixes bug #11608 - http://bit.ly/caWIVZ18:15
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r1bb0e31 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Remove some dead code from the UserList wobject. Fixes bug #11605 - http://bit.ly/a0fttB18:25
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r28eabdd / (2 files in 2 dirs): Remove some dead code from the UserList wobject. Fixes bug #1160518:26
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+perlDreamerfrodwith, I need a logic double check.18:57
@frodwithMmmmyeasss?18:58
+perlDreamerHave a peek at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/PurgeOldInboxMessages.pm18:58
+perlDreamerand the little blurb at the end of the execute subroutine19:00
+perlDreamerif the while loop finishes19:00
+perlDreamerthen the limit check should never be reached, right?19:01
@frodwithit doesn't look like that can ever happen19:03
@frodwithwell, or rather19:03
@frodwithit's the wrong check19:03
@frodwith$sth->rows might very well be over limit19:03
@frodwithbut who cares?19:03
+perlDreameryeah, they have to be processed anyway19:03
@frodwiththey already -got- processed19:03
@frodwithi think someone forgot a LIMIT in the sql query19:04
+perlDreameri don't think that matters, because there's a time bomb inside the while loop, and we loop over an iterator19:04
@frodwithi mean, if they're going to bother with a limit at all19:05
@frodwithyou're right that there's no reason to19:05
+perlDreamerokay, yeah19:05
+perlDreamerthanks for the double check, frodwith19:09
@frodwithnp19:09
* perlDreamer is only running on about 5/6 cylinders today19:09
@frodwithOut partying all weekend, you dog?19:10
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+perlDreameryeah, you know me19:10
+perlDreamertoo much punch after the church concert last night19:19
@frodwithThey don't put anything in it, mind, perlDreamer just has a very sensitive constitution19:20
+perlDreamerIt was PINK, that counts19:20
@frodwithnothing natural is pink19:20
@frodwithexcept maybe flowers19:20
@frodwithwas it flower punch?19:21
+perlDreamerNo, like fake pink lemonade19:21
@frodwiththat artificial flavoring can really knock you for a loop19:22
+perlDreamerit was either that, or the hour long tuba playing session19:23
@frodwitho_o19:24
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+perlDreameryo, scrottie19:36
+perlDreamerhow was the hike?19:36
@scrottiehey.19:36
@scrottieit's nice to go visit trees.  we really don't get those here in Phoenix.19:37
@scrottieditto for water.  not often in Phoenix you get to wade through streams with water up to your neck.19:37
+perlDreamerhm, water up to your neck.  Sounds like Oregon19:37
@scrottieheh19:38
@scrottiehave a good weekend?  get out of the house?19:55
* frodwith got out of the house for church. Does that count?19:56
+perlDreamerDid tons of yard work, spent 8 hours at church, baked cookies19:58
plainhaohow often do you go, frod?19:58
@frodwithbout once a week hao19:58
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r30e869b / (6 files in 5 dirs): Better cleanup of Inbox messages. Encapsulate all SQL in Inbox/Message. Fix workflow. Upgrade script to cleanup state table. Fixes bug #11595. - http://bit.ly/ciu8Y220:47
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r99063a3 / (t/Inbox.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): Allow for cleanup of inbox messages in tests. - http://bit.ly/auF5O020:47
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * rc1af736 / (t/Inbox.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): Allow for cleanup of inbox messages in tests. - http://bit.ly/9gMdBd20:48
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r5c5b6ed / (6 files in 5 dirs): Better cleanup of Inbox messages. Encapsulate all SQL in Inbox/Message. Fix workflow. Upgrade script to cleanup state table. Fixes bug #11595. - http://bit.ly/9xf9J120:49
scrottieColin, are you working on the alumni bug report with messages vanishing after people get booted out of groups?20:50
scrotties/report //20:50
+perlDreamernot right now20:50
+perlDreamerYou can fix it if you want :)20:50
scrottieokay.  Frank asked me to do that and those commits looked maybe repeated but what do I know.  just trying to avoid stepping on toes.20:51
+perlDreamerIt's a different bug.  The commits are repeated because all bugs have to be backported to the stable branch20:52
scrottieyeah.  fwiw, Frank asked me to look at 11595 and 11594.20:57
+perlDreamerIf you've been asked/assigned/volunteered/been bribed/threatened/etc to fix a bug, then you should assign the bugs to yourself in the bug tracker20:57
scrottieyeah.20:57
scrottienot complaining, btw.20:58
scrottienext time.20:58
+perlDreamerI know.  I don't like stepping on toes either20:58
+perlDreamerby default, I'm tasked with fixing all bugs20:58
+perlDreamerall WebGUI bugs, that is20:58
scrottieheh20:58
+perlDreamerspeaking of which...20:59
+perlDreamerdionak, I'd love to fix serif's Syndicated Content bug, but I need some feedback20:59
+perlDreamercan you give her a ping, or perhaps look at the bug yourself and answer the question?20:59
dionakok, i'll ask her to sign on20:59
dionaki've pinged. if she's available, she'll sign on21:00
dionakor when she's available i should say21:01
dionakperlDreamer, she's knee-deep in developing atm. said she would follow up with you.21:02
scrottieI can't seem to wake up this morning.  uuuurrrgh.21:03
+perlDreamerawesome, I'll wait for a bug ticket posting then :)21:03
scrottieperlDreamer, status on #11594?21:03
+perlDreamerhaven't touched it yet21:03
scrottiehmm.  thinking of assigning it to myself.  but I'm also 100% certain that Frank would be perfectly happy to let you do it and have me do something else.21:05
+perlDreameror he may want you to start learning the API this way21:05
+perlDreamerbest to ask him21:06
kimdpearlDreamer does not have time. He has to answer all my questions.21:06
kimdHello pearlDreamer, btw :-)21:06
+perlDreamerbring it on, kimd!21:06
kimd Not yet. I am still trying to find out myself.21:07
kimdBut I will most certainly give up in about 5 minutes.21:07
* perlDreamer will be here21:07
kimdIt's about WWW::Mechanize if you want to warm up a bit.21:07
scrottiehmm.  I think I'll not assign it to myself, read code, and if it gets fixed before I commit something, I'll ask for something else =)21:12
+perlDreamerfor the kinds of changes he's talking about, I recommend some tests21:12
+perlDreamerwrite ones that will fail before the bug fix21:13
scrottiesir, YES SIR21:13
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r59fed35 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/AddressBook.pm): Fix error feedback for missing fields, when using the AddressBook to add an address. - http://bit.ly/9va8gV21:18
kimdpearlDreamer, I am ready to give up :-(21:18
kimdThe testing code I am working on is here: http://webgui.pastebin.com/4Wb2NYAR21:18
kimdI am trying to edit an existing photo in a gallery using the web interface.21:18
kimdSubmittal of the form seems to be fine. Values do not get updated, however.21:19
kimdI have checked by comparing the properties hash and the web server response.21:19
kimdAny idea about the possible reason?21:20
+perlDreamerreading and thinking...21:20
@frodwithscrottie: http://www.humbledmba.com/become-a-morning-person-how-to-end-insomnia-f21:20
scrottieI don't have insomnia.  I sleep like a ROCK when I finally pass out, which is often about the time the sun is coming up.21:21
@frodwiththat's called "insomnia"21:21
+perlDreamerkimd, are you sure there's only 1 form on the page?21:21
kimdNo. But I have named the form and it is explicitly selected.21:22
@frodwiththe f.lux thing worked really well for me last night, i woke up at 6:30 this morning.  But that may be entirely psychosomatic.21:22
kimdI made a change in WebGUI::Asset::File::GalleryFile::Photo.21:22
@frodwither21:22
scrottieI've known people who really barely ever sleep and really want to.  I don't have that problem.  I can sleep any time.  I'm wall respected napper, too.  I can sleep in planes, on buses, in parks...21:22
@frodwithplacebo effect21:22
scrottieproblem is, I'm dating a morning person.21:22
@frodwiththe f.lux thing is for getting you to feel sleepy when it gets dark outside21:22
scrottieI'm jetlagged.21:22
@frodwithif you're an evening computer user21:23
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kimdpearlDreamer, I just noticed that it is reproducible when I do it manually.21:24
kimdChanges become only visible after a refresh of the page.21:24
kimdLet me check in the current demo.21:24
kimdMaybe it is a bug.21:24
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scrottieargh, people are sending me Internet self help links =(21:27
scrottielifestyle fail.21:27
scrottieI guess it's fair.  I was yelling at perlDreamer to get out of the house jetsky or skydrive or *something* the other day.21:28
scrottiethe house and jetsky or ...21:28
+perlDreamerjetski21:28
scrottieyeah.  that.21:28
@frodwithNext thanksgiving, scrottie will drive a float through town square.  It just be a large sign on a platform.  The sign will read "Frodwith, you jerk!"  And scrottie will be riding on it, shouting the phrase at intervals into a bullhorn.21:29
+perlDreamerthe back of the sign will say, "He was right!"21:29
scrottieI have in the past been on a morning schedule.  I can go to bed at night and sleep.  I honestly enjoy my late nights.  I like the solitude and the quiet.  I take long walks when there's no one else on the streets.21:30
scrottieSome times I start staying up till 2am and then have to get up at 4am to meet a friend at 5am to get to Sedona by 7ish.21:31
scrottieand wade around in cold water all day.21:31
scrottieI do it to myself.  I realize that.  And I don't have plans to stop.21:31
@frodwithhehe21:31
@frodwithSelf-inflicted is the best kind of pain21:31
scrottieand now I'm listening to old audio tapes =)21:31
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scrottiethe noise isn't bad but the tape stretch is kinda painful.21:32
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kimdpearlDreamer, it seems to be a bug.21:35
kimdThe behavior is reproducible on demo.webgui.org and beta.webgui.org.21:36
+perlDreamerthat's not good21:36
kimdThe problem occurs if there is no image file attached to a photo.21:36
+perlDreamerbut didn't you specify a file to upload in the form submission?21:36
kimdIn that case you need a refresh before the values become visible.21:36
kimdNo. You do not have to. The form is still accepted.21:37
+perlDreamerokay21:37
+perlDreamerstill, I thought that, in your test, you specified a file in the form submission21:37
kimdHowever, only if an image is present www_showConfirmation will be called properly after www_editSave21:37
kimdNo. I am only changing the text properties.21:38
+perlDreamerline 183, newFile_file = ... ??21:38
kimdBut the photo asset was created without an attachment.21:38
+perlDreamerah, I see21:39
kimdNo, that isn't my code. And that part is skipped.21:39
kimdBut I can attach an image file at the beginning. Let's what happens...21:39
kimd... see ...21:39
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc9dc084 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Stories have to pass along absolute links in their RSS feeds. Fixes bug #11606 - http://bit.ly/bjgTVN21:45
kimdInteresting. If a request the photo default view a second time, I get the expected result.21:45
kimdEvidently, it takes two requests before the Asset gets updated. What could be the reason for this behavior?21:45
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r834a85c / (3 files in 3 dirs): Stories have to pass along absolute links in their RSS feeds. Fixes bug #11606 - http://bit.ly/btPbOR21:45
+perlDreamerno idea, kimd21:47
kimdIs it possible that theres is some delay due to spectre processing changes in the background?21:48
+perlDreamerNo21:48
+perlDreamerFor most development work, I don't even turn spectre on21:48
kimdBut it must be some kind of race condition.21:48
+perlDreamercommitting a single asset should be very fast21:48
+perlDreamerLet me make sure I understand the process.21:50
+perlDreamerMake a gallery21:50
+perlDreameradd an album to it21:50
+perlDreamercreate a photo, but do not upload a photo into it21:50
+perlDreamerthen, try to edit that photo21:50
+perlDreameryour changes do not show up right away21:51
+perlDreamerbut instead, you have to reload the view photo screen to see them21:51
kimdYes. That is what I observe. Attaching a photo in the testing code does not make a difference, btw.21:51
kimdI also noticed that I do not get forwarded to www_showConfirmation.21:52
+perlDreamerthat may be due to a problem with how file uploads are handled by Mech21:52
+perlDreamerbut let's deal with the bug at hand, first21:53
kimdDon't you think it is related?21:54
kimdIf I create a photo manually and do not attach an image, I am returned to the default view immediately after editing.21:54
kimdIf I attach an image, www_showConfirmation is called instead after editing.21:54
kimdThat alone I would consider a bug.21:54
kimdThere must be an issue in www_editSave.21:55
+perlDreamerprobably, kimd21:55
kimdIf a return from www_showConfirmation (manually), the asset is always up to date.21:56
+perlDreamerCouldn't call method editSave on asset for url: home/untitled/test/great-photo Root cause: Couldn't copy '' to '800.jpg': Is a directory at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo.pm line 42221:56
+perlDreamerthat's the problem21:56
kimdThat sounds like makeResolutions.21:56
kimdIt obviously does not check for a missing image.21:57
kimdI will check. Thanks a lot.21:57
+perlDreamerhack on, kimd21:57
kimdThink I found it.21:58
kimdIs it ok to use croak for reporting errors?21:58
kimdStill being used here and there in the code.21:59
+perlDreamerit's better to use WebGUI::Error->throw21:59
+perlDreamerand then catch the exception and report an error to the user22:00
kimdCan you give me a file with an example?22:00
+perlDreameryes...22:00
+perlDreamerShop/PayDriver, line 482, for throwing the error22:01
kimdCool.22:02
kimdBut wouldn't logging be sufficient in that case?22:02
+perlDreamerwell, yes and no22:03
kimdIf there is no image attached we can just skip making resolutions and log a message.22:03
+perlDreamerthere you go22:03
kimdOk. Will do that then.22:03
kimdperlDreamer, do you think it would be good to attach a default image to new photos?22:07
+perlDreamerno22:08
+perlDreamerhm22:15
+perlDreamerthat's the 2nd time that I've heard that idea though22:15
+perlDreamermaybe I'm being too stubborn22:15
@frodwithI seem to remember there being something about a default image once on the alumni site.  It's ringing a bell.22:21
@frodwithan alarm bell.22:21
+perlDreamerit was posted as a bug22:21
+perlDreamerbut we were unable to duplicate it in either recent branch22:21
+perlDreamerattributing it to recent bug fixes, or perhaps some custom code issue22:22
* perlDreamer is out to lunch, with all appropriate connotations22:27
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kimdCan someone explain to me why $asset = $asset->cloneFromDb is not the same as $asset = WebGUI::Asset->newByDynamicClass($session, $asset->getId) ?22:41
kimdpreaction, would you be willing to help me out if I told you that the new style selector rocks?22:42
* kimd is having a break, too.22:49
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+perlDreamercloneFromDb is shorter, and it uses the same revisionDate23:18
+perlDreamerthere you go, kimd, that's why it's not the same23:18
+perlDreameri have to go reheat a zigeuner schnitzel, brb23:18
kimdThanks, perlDreamer! Enjoy the Schnitzel.23:28
kimdpearlDreamer, I ran into another problem (surprise!)23:34
kimdWWW::Mechanize is causing a server error sometimes but not always.23:34
kimdExecuting the test script sometimes returns the following error message: http://webgui.pastebin.com/4zHBanaB23:35
kimdI suspect it has something to do with the getMechLogin function.23:35
kimdEver seen that before?23:35
kimdIn the log I can see the following error message: 2010/06/07 22:36:23 - FATAL - dev.localhost.localdomain.conf - WebGUI::SQL::ResultSet::execute[137] - Couldn't execute prepared statement: insert into assetData (assetId, revisionDate, revisedBy, tagId, status, url, ownerUserId, groupIdEdit, groupIdView) values (?, ?, ?, ?, 'pending', ?, '3','3','7') : With place holders: h9Xrbp1on2GNA7U69N3vhQ, 1275942983, JU7-WeWMzgBi17SnTUEIgg, hx0963l51-hKtSwx23:36
kimd9VWUjw, h9Xrbp1on2GNA7U69N3vhQ.  Root cause: Duplicate entry 'h9Xrbp1on2GNA7U69N3vhQ-1275942983' for key 123:36
kimd"wgd reset" does not solve the problem.23:38
scrottieafk a few23:41
kimdIt is the testing code starting in line 164 that causes the problem (see http://webgui.pastebin.com/GzRgTXPR)23:42
+perlDreamerkimd, it's not allowed to have the revisionDate the same on two revisions23:44
+perlDreamerif the script runs fast enough, the www_edit method can do that23:44
+perlDreamerso, it's safest to force the revisionDate on gallery, album, and original photo to be 4-5 seconds in the past23:44
kimdI see. Should I sleep for a  second? Or change the revisionDate manually?23:45
+perlDreamerchange it manually23:45
+perlDreamerit'll save test time23:45
kimdIs there an API function for that?23:45
+perlDreamersee addChild method on how to set it manually23:45
kimdI will. Thanks again.23:45
kimdOk, seems to solve the problem. Will have to make the code nicer.23:52
+perlDreamerugh, patspam.  MIME::Entity is seriously nasty stuff23:54
+perlDreamerlike drinking freeze-dried new york coffee23:54
+patspamow sorry perlDreamer23:54
kimdA last question for tonight:23:56
+perlDreamerk23:56
kimdk?23:56
+perlDreamershort for okay23:56
kimdAh.23:56
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+perlDreamerokay => ok => kay => k23:56
kimdRedirecting via the "proceed" parameter will not update the current URL.23:56
kimdIs there a way to get around that?23:57
kimdFor example, calling with "?proceed=viewParent" will display the parent's default view still showing the URL of the child.23:57
+perlDreamerright23:57
+perlDreamercurrently, if you call all the way back up to Asset's www_editSave, no23:58
kimdIsn't that buggy? At least it makes testing very difficult.23:58
+perlDreamerit's not buggy23:58
+perlDreamerit's not great either, though23:58
+perlDreamerI've heard that we won't do funky internal redirects like that anymore23:58
+perlDreamerbut for now... I'm afraid you're stuck23:58
kimdWhat would be the new way of doing this correctly?23:59
kimdOh.23:59
+perlDreamerset a redirect :)23:59
kimdThat would be a drastic change in editSave, wouldn't it?23:59
+perlDreameryes23:59
kimdAllowed in 7.9.x?23:59
+perlDreameri don't think so, but that would be preaction's call23:59
--- Day changed Tue Jun 08 2010
kimdHe is gone. He just quit.00:00
+perlDreamerhe'll be back.  Send him a dev posting about the problem00:00
kimdI will. But only tomorrow. I need to get some sleep now.00:00
kimdThanks for all the help.l00:00
+perlDreameryou're always welcome, kimd00:01
* perlDreamer is off to pick up children from school00:01
kimdEnjoy the rest of your day. And everyone else as well, of course.00:01
+perlDreamerback i n3000:01
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc4e85d8 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Restore the other fields that a CS can be sorted on, from the thread table. Fixes bug #11614. - http://bit.ly/devEIx01:05
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r56e01cb / (2 files in 2 dirs): Restore the other fields that a CS can be sorted on, from the thread table. Fixes bug #11614. - http://bit.ly/9hzOaZ01:05
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HaargperlDreamer, re: be259d801:22
+perlDreameryes sir!01:23
+perlDreamer?01:23
Haargfirst is that the $orig call looks wrong01:23
Haargsince the params have already been shifted off01:23
Haargsecond, i'm not quite clear on what you mean with checking if one exists in the commit message01:23
+perlDreamerlet me finish this hot patch, and I'll review the WebGUI8 log01:24
Haargthere are a bunch of parts of the export code i don't love, but what is the actual problem you are seeing?01:24
+perlDreamerinside WebGUI::Session->config, when it tries to return $self->{_config}, it says, "Unable to use string 'WebGUI::Session' as a hash reference.01:25
+perlDreamerthat's off the top of my head01:25
+perlDreameryou could always revert the patch, then try to run t/AssetAspect/RssFeed.t01:25
+perlDreamerand it will tell you exactly01:25
Haargoh, well yeah i see what the change was meant to fix01:25
Haargi mean the "The method needs to be rethought, and make check that one exists before calling it via can/DOES." in the commit message01:26
+perlDreamerah, yes01:27
+perlDreamer"this method" being exportAssetCollateral01:27
+perlDreamerinstead of calling it all the time, it would be good to check that the asset has such a method, and then call it01:27
Haargdon't all assets have it though?01:28
+perlDreamerno01:28
+perlDreamerthe method supplied by AssetExportHtml is empty01:28
Haargoh, yeah01:28
Haargif we were going to go that route it seems like it would make more sense to have assets use 'after' on exportWriteFile01:30
Haargyou are right that the WebGUI::Session->duplicate thing came from a mistake while merging01:31
+perlDreamerexcept that it wouldn't have any way of getting either the reportSession, or the options01:31
Haargwell, that could be changed01:31
+perlDreameryes, but changes ripple01:32
Haargif don't know if there is a strong motivation to change it though01:32
Haargthe export code in general could use some refactoring01:32
+perlDreamerdefinitely01:33
+perlDreamerI can think of a reason to rewrite it01:33
+perlDreamerafter doesn't get the arguments, does it?01:33
+perlDreamermmmm, yes01:34
+perlDreamerbut they cannot be modified01:34
+perlDreamerwhich in this case is fine01:34
* perlDreamer better sit in on frodwith's Moose class at the WUC01:34
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+perlDreamerHaarg, since exportWriteFile takes no arguments, there's no reason we can't add additional arguments to it01:39
Haargthat's kind of what i was thinking01:39
+perlDreamerlike the options, reportSession, and URL01:39
Haargaside from general dissatisfaction with it though, what are the problems we would fix by changing it?01:40
+perlDreamerAssuming that we get rid of the bare exportAssetCollateral sub, and go to can/DOES...01:42
+perlDreamerthen, for packages which only import roles, they need a placeholder sub for exportAssetCollateral01:43
+perlDreamersince roles, like RssFeed, have to assume that their consumer may have one, and use a method modifier like after01:43
Haargthere are ways around that, but it's kind of ugly01:43
+perlDreamerreally?01:44
Haargi think so01:44
+perlDreamerhow would you do it?01:44
Haargi think you can add the sub into the role as well as the modifier01:44
Haargi'm still not seeing the up side to this though01:44
+perlDreamerno, I think using an after modifier on exportWriteFile is better01:44
Haargwell yes01:45
Haargbut why do we need to change it at all?01:45
+perlDreamerand the little naked sub offends me01:45
+perlDreamerthat's the only reason.  The little sub offends me.01:45
+perlDreamerit would offend me less in the case of having it in a consumer of a role01:46
+perlDreamerbut no need for every asset to get it when it's not needed.01:46
Haargnot that i disagree with you, but it seems like a bit of work to fix a problem that has no real impact01:47
+perlDreamerprobably 1.5 - 2 hours with testing01:47
+perlDreamerbut you're right about extra time, tight deadlines, and the need to merge in psgi01:48
+perlDreamerI'll just fix the bad around code, and keep it in a note for future WebGUI purification01:48
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r963591d / lib/WebGUI/Role/Asset/RssFeed.pm : Fix a bad around wrapper in the RssFeed assetExportHtml sub. - http://bit.ly/cvjSiU01:50
* Haarg is currently manually modifying svn dump files to make something git-svn can understand01:51
* perlDreamer needs to head outside, and mow the lawns at warp speed, before the rains return01:51
CIA-57webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r9c99fa2 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : clean up some parts of WebGUI::Test - http://bit.ly/bSHfrX01:55
CIA-57webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r033fc6c / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : allow skipping test cleanup - http://bit.ly/dq5hGS02:01
CIA-57webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r5cb384e / lib/WebGUI/Types.pm : ensure JSON is loaded - http://bit.ly/cwv0oR02:01
CIA-57webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r1e2b6fd / (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Snippet.pm lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm): allow undefined template or snippet text - http://bit.ly/dAy8k302:12
Haargpreaction, i noticed the latest CHI automatically serializes keys02:38
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@scrottiealright, why do you have to do $session->config->set( 'emailOverride' before WebGUI tests will queue email messages?02:44
@scrottieor do you?  what exactly does that accomplish, I guess I mean I think.02:44
@scrottieno, setting a from in the WebGUI::Mail::Send works too.02:47
@scrottieno, that just didn't get undone and now the default stuck.  hmm.02:53
+perlDreamerscrottie, you don't02:55
+perlDreamerit's just one way to test emails02:56
+perlDreamerpersonally, I like the mini email test server that preaction set up02:56
HaargemailOverride is more for manually testing email stuff, not for test scripts02:56
HaargIO::Socket::SSL is needed for LDAPS.  i guess it should just be a normal prereq then?02:59
CIA-57webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r950d751 / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : add IO::Socket::SSL as prereq for LDAPS - http://bit.ly/d4soh803:01
+perlDreamerand we'll need that back in beta/stable, too, won't we Haarg?03:03
Haargprobably03:04
+perlDreamerdone03:05
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbbe962a / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : add IO::Socket::SSL as prereq for LDAPS - http://bit.ly/bE9v5g03:05
@scrottietesting disables logging... is there an easy way to undo that or to get at the messages otherwise?03:06
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r63e0f8a / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : add IO::Socket::SSL as prereq for LDAPS - http://bit.ly/9r63uv03:06
+perlDreamerscrottie, they log into scalars03:06
+perlDreamerin general, testing does not disable logging03:06
+perlDreameryou have to ask it to do that for you03:06
@scrottiehrm.03:06
+perlDreamerI think it's WebGUI::Test->intercept_logging, and ->enable_logging03:07
+perlDreamerbut you should check those, I haven't used them for a very long time03:07
@scrottierighto.  thanks.  hmm.03:09
@scrottieI guess I'm confused.  This has tables to hold messages internally but the code in WebGUI::Mail::Get/Send talks about POP and SMTP servers an awful lot.03:10
@scrottieand it was internal tables that were finding themselves with inconsistent state.03:11
+perlDreamerI think you may be confusing WebGUI::Inbox{,::Message} with WebGUI::Mail::Send03:11
@scrottiethe code is also really interested in finding and plugging in real email addresses.03:11
@scrottieahh.03:11
+perlDreamerthe first is for internal messaging03:11
@scrottieyeah.03:11
+perlDreamerthe second is for queueing and sending emails03:12
+perlDreameremails are queued during active user requests03:12
@scrottieyeah, that explains a lot.  and this bug even says "WebGUI::Inbox".03:12
+perlDreamerthen Spectre dials up WebGUI, and starts sending them03:12
+perlDreameryou don't want to learn about spectre yet03:13
@scrottiesir, NO SIR.03:15
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3b7d582 / (t/Exception/Shop.t t/Mail/Send.t t/i18n/template.t): Removing END blocks - http://bit.ly/c3oxAk04:12
+perlDreamerHaarg, don't we have enough pieces to get rid of _all_ the END blocks in the tests?04:15
Haargi think so04:16
Haargfor anything we don't have an easy cleanup thing for, you can just provide an arbitrary sub04:16
+perlDreamer... there is no way to delete a TaxDriver?04:28
Haargof course not.  you can never get rid of taxes.04:28
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r65aa327 / (7 files in 4 dirs): Removing more END blocks - http://bit.ly/app6mi04:31
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r41b7413 / (t/Account/Friends.t t/Shop/Ship.t t/Shop/TaxDriver/Generic.t): More END block work. - http://bit.ly/b32VkK04:31
+perlDreamerIf I do 10 tests per night04:46
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb728eab / (4 files in 2 dirs): Add cleanup for Shop::Vendors. More end block removal. - http://bit.ly/buAFGj04:46
+perlDreamerin two weeks we can test Test::Aggregate04:46
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8a62abc / (3 files in 3 dirs): Add cleanup for AdSpaces, END block cleanup. - http://bit.ly/bG4lFs04:54
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@scrottiepreaction, did the whole 'Tasks' thing just not happen today?05:04
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7034e2c / (10 files in 4 dirs): More END block cleanups. - http://bit.ly/dC7FjY05:08
@preactionscrottie: 4 of us were moving The Game Crafter's production facilities onto a truck, Kristi was sick, Tavis was sick (can't verify those though)05:21
@scrottiealright.  I'll not be shy then.05:26
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+perlDreamerHaarg, have you run prove with WEBGUI_TEST_DEBUG recently?05:36
+perlDreamerthe number of sessions and scratch sessions slowly creeps up05:36
@scrottiehrm.  test passing.  not reproducing.  looks like the user is still in the group even though I've removed them.  grr.05:39
@scrottieso I have to fix a bug to make my test fail so I can make my test pass.05:39
+perlDreamerscrottie, would it help if I looked at your test?05:41
@scrottieyeah, we'll intimidate it!  if I were a test, I'd be scared of you too.05:41
+perlDreamerpaste away, dude05:41
@scrottieI'm wondering if getMessagesPaginator isn't just caching the groups the user is in.  let me try that right quick.05:43
* perlDreamer is afk for a bit, time to read to the kiddos05:45
@scrottieSQL output shows it still trying to join on groupId.  modifying the SQL and running it at the mysql shell while the test is control-z'd, it fails to join if the group is removed from the list of groups for the user.05:45
@scrottieso if the list of the groups for the users is correct, the bug is reproduceable.05:45
@scrottieslowass.net/~scott/tmp/Groups.t.txt05:46
@scrottieaccording to the bug report and what I'm seeing in the SQL, this test should fail:05:47
@scrottieis($messageList->[0]->getId, $messageId, '... getMessagesForUser able to get message with messageId matching the message sent');05:47
@scrottie$user->getGroupIdsRecursive agrees that the user was removed from the group, but getMessagesForUser, which calls that (indirectly) still lists them as being in it.05:48
@scrottieand what's with the user winding up in groups '2' and '7'?05:50
@scrottieooh, ooops.  botched that test line.05:50
@scrottiemissing an array deref.05:51
@scrottiegroup->getAllUsers is correct, getGroupIdsRecursive has stale data.05:52
@scrottie$userFred->session->stow->delete("gotGroupsForUser"); # there, that fixed the brokenness05:56
@scrottieso that the brokenness works right.05:56
@scrottiethe actual fix is straight forward but I have to pack up here and take off so I need to do that tomorrow.05:57
CIA-57webgui: Scott Walters master * r78de99a / (34 files in 22 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of http://github.com/plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/aYfBLL06:01
@scrottieI know this code has some cruft but I have to say, it makes me really, really happy to be able to read it and see what's going on.  It's about a billion times better than some code I've worked on.06:01
@scrottiedammit, I need to figure out if it's possible to suppress those merge messages in git.06:02
@scrottieguess I could stash, pull, unstash, commit, push.06:03
+perlDreamer34 files?06:05
+perlDreamerscrottie, what is that?06:06
@scrottiecommitted a merge.  *sigh*06:06
@scrottieknow how to fix that?06:06
+perlDreameryes, roll it back06:06
+perlDreamerthen cherry pick the one commit06:06
@scrottieand, like I said, I need to learn how to not do that.06:06
@scrottieokay.06:06
Haarggit config branch.webgui-7.6.rebase true06:08
Haargfor each branch06:08
Haargand git config --global branch.autosetuprebase remote06:09
Haargand it will automatically be set for every branch created in the future06:09
+perlDreamerokay, scrottie, some more test feedback06:13
+perlDreamerwe can't use done_testing in the main branches06:13
+perlDreamerTest::Harness 3 isn't required until WebGUI8, so you still have to count tests :(06:13
@scrottiegrrrr.  cannot get it to not put a merge message in the log.06:14
@scrottieevery time I pull.  I did a bunch rebase true things and it said it was replaying my changes and I --hard checked out a previous ref...06:14
+perlDreameryou also should not need to clear the cache06:14
+perlDreamerif that isn't happening automatically, then there's a bug somewhere06:14
@scrottieperlDreamer, I did have to clear the test.  that was the missing piece.  and comments in User.pm state that it cashes.  that could be considered a bug.06:14
@scrottieright.  I need to deal with this stuff tomorrow.  someone who likes to wake up early and go to bed early is going to be annoyed with me.06:15
@scrottieI'll add a new test for that for User...06:15
+perlDreamergood night, and good luck :)06:15
@scrottieand try to fix git now... but might fail or make it worse.06:16
@scrottiethanks =)06:16
Haargscrottie, can you paste your .git/config file?06:23
@scrottieHaarg, thanks, but later... gotta go!06:26
CIA-57webgui: Scott Walters master * r9fb7b23 / t/Inbox/Groups.t : Tests reproducing bug #11594, users removed from groups no longer able to see previous messages to that group - http://bit.ly/dxcqAp06:26
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@scrottiecrud.  I forgot, I have to fix the tests style.  I'll do that in the morning too.  sorry.06:26
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7034e2c / (10 files in 4 dirs): More END block cleanups. (+599 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/dC7FjY06:30
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+perlDreamer'night, all06:34
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4eb013e / t/Inbox/Groups.t : Remove uncontrolled diagnostics, and done_testing. - http://bit.ly/cWOuNE18:43
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2c08b4e / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix a bug in getLineageSql, where it would return the empty string. This could cause downstream problems. Fixes bug #11616 - http://bit.ly/9laYJq19:23
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * rac3f734 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix a bug in getLineageSql, where it would return the empty string. This could cause downstream problems. Fixes bug #11616 - http://bit.ly/biXpOa19:24
+perlDreamerthat was a particularly nasty bug in getLineageSql19:30
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+perlDreamermorning, scrottie20:19
@scrottiemorning, perlDreamer20:19
+perlDreamerpatspam, preaction, the addFooter/addText/addHtml plan is not going to work.21:09
+patspamoh noes!21:09
+perlDreamerwell, not without potential breakage21:09
+perlDreamerfrom a core perspective, it should be fine21:09
+perlDreamerlet me talk through what I think the problem is21:09
+perlDreamerMail::Send has 3 main way to add parts21:10
+perlDreameraddText, addHtml and addAttachment21:10
+patspam(I'll backlog in 30mins - just heading out the door)21:10
+perlDreameraddAttachment can add ANY kind of attachment, including text and HTML21:10
+perlDreamerthat makes addFooter's stated job difficult at best21:10
+perlDreamerthe last attachment may be part of a message from addText/Html, or it may be an attachment added via addAttachment21:11
+perlDreamerin fact, there's no way to look at a part of a message and see where it came from21:11
+perlDreamerso my next idea was to say, always append the footer to the first part of the email message21:12
+perlDreamerthat's the one that outlook is guaranteed to display21:12
+perlDreamerbut, if it was an HTML message, it's a complete HTML page, so you have to parse the message and append it to the bottom of the HTML21:13
+perlDreamerso then I thought, what if we didn't generate the message as it's built, but work more like FormBuilder, and build an object that will serialize itself when being queued, or sent?21:14
+perlDreamerbut attachments again balk you here, since there's no guarantee that the file-system based attachments will still exist later21:15
+perlDreamerbasically, to fix this bug we're going to have to accept some breakage21:15
+perlDreamerof existing non-core code, or at least the risk of it.21:16
@preactioni think that's acceptable21:18
+perlDreamerare you okay with the "append to first part" approach?  I think it's going to be better than the late-serialize idea21:19
@preactionsure, we can try it and see if anybody complains21:25
* perlDreamer will start coding in that direction, and wait for patspam to weigh in with final thoughts22:11
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kimdperlDreamer, I have been thinking about how to handle photos that have no image file attached.22:27
+perlDreamerokay, what have you come up with22:27
kimdI think we need at least some kind of generic image for thumbnail creation.22:27
kimdSo many methods just expect an image to be present.22:28
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kimdOf course we could add testing code and error handling to each of them.22:28
kimdBut what would be the value?22:28
kimdWhat is it that you do not like about using a generic image?22:28
+perlDreamerhaving dozens of copies of some default image in the uploads area22:29
kimdIt could be a 1x1 white or transparent png. Does not really matter.22:29
kimdAnd it would be replaced as soon as the user decides to upload an image.22:29
kimdPhoto assets without an image file attached do not make much sense anyhow.22:30
+perlDreamerwhen an image is uploaded, it will create a new revision, with its own storage location22:30
kimdOk. That is a point.22:30
+perlDreamerhow about returning the user back to the edit screen if there's no image file?22:30
kimdEqually possible. The form could report an error and reject submittal.22:31
kimdIn addition, we could check whether we really have an image.22:31
+perlDreamerI think the Form::Image plugin may do that22:31
kimdOk. I will check that.22:32
kimdA question on Form controls. In the code for the Photo asset, a function name WebGUI::Form::file is used. I cannot find that function in WebGUI::Form, however. Where is it defined?22:37
kimdAh. Everything is explained in the POD for WebGUI::Form. Never mind.22:38
+perlDreamerkimd, if it uses Form::File, you should check to see that it got an image22:39
+perlDreamerWebGUI::Storage has an isImage method for checking that22:39
kimdFound it.22:41
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+perlDreamerMIME::Entity is not PBP compatible22:52
kimdSuggested error message: "You need to select an image to upload."22:52
kimdOk?22:52
+perlDreamer$i18n->get('You need to select an image to uploads');22:53
+perlDreameryes :)22:53
kimdSure.22:53
HaargperlDreamer, question 252138777c301ea4e26f360e29bc0177a5adca4d22:56
Haargs/question/question about/22:56
+perlDreameryup22:56
+perlDreamerresolutions are strings, not numbers22:56
+perlDreamer800x60022:56
+perlDreamer320x48022:56
+perlDreamerand so on22:56
Haargbut then you get 1024, 320, 640, 800 and such22:57
* perlDreamer got tired of seeing 800x600 is not numeric in sort22:57
+perlDreamerin the logs22:57
Haargah, so it spits out warnings22:57
+perlDreameryes22:57
Haargare there other filenames aside from the resolution filenames?22:58
* perlDreamer doesn't remember22:58
Haargit should probably be done with a split and two part sort22:58
+perlDreameryeah, that would be better22:58
Haargi'll leave it as cmp for now though22:59
+perlDreamerlet me guess, now 1024 is showing up below 800 in the list of resolutions?22:59
Haargworking on another master->WebGUI8 merge22:59
Haargjust something i noticed when working on the merge22:59
Haargsince sort { $a cmp $b } is the same as just sort22:59
+patspamperlDreamer: sounds good re: mail footer23:03
+perlDreamercool23:03
+patspamI'll do a test for you to see which mail clients care if you just append the extra html after </html>23:03
+perlDreamerthat'll make things easier23:04
+patspamPlack::Middleware::Debug just does: $chunk =~ s!(?=</body>)!$content!i;23:04
+patspamby necessity because it doesn't know if it's got a chunk of html or the whole doc23:05
+perlDreamerhow many email clients do you have access to?23:05
+patspambut I'm yet to see it fail23:05
+patspamheh and if it's good enough for miyagawa it's good enough for me ;)23:05
+patspamI have: thunderbird, gmail, outlook 200323:06
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+perlDreamerpreaction has iMail23:06
+perlDreamerI'll rally the troops on the dev channel23:06
+patspamI reckon the code should try using the body tag regex, and if that doesn't match just append it23:07
+perlDreamerbody tag regex?23:07
+patspams!(?=</body>)!$content!i;23:07
+patspamif the message doesn't have that it's invalid html, so "not your problem"23:07
+perlDreamerthere's an easier way23:08
+perlDreamerthe parts are tagged by addText, addHtml23:08
+perlDreamerand everything coming from addHtml always has a closing body tag23:08
+perlDreamerif they use addHtmlRaw, and omit a closing body tag, that's their own fault for writing bad HTML23:08
+patspamyep, I agree23:09
+perlDreamerI did check the core first before making that grand pronouncement, though ;)23:09
+patspamheh23:09
+patspamso no need to test mail clients for what they do given "<html>..</html>$blah"23:10
+perlDreameroh no23:10
+perlDreameruh, yeah23:10
+perlDreamersorry, Kathy's home from school today and my attention is divided23:10
+patspamhttp://boxcar.io++23:10
+patspamiphone push notifications - means we can ditch our nagios sms alerts23:11
ckotilnice23:14
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kimdCool. I am more or less done with the boring RFEs. My next hacks will be on ajaxifying the gallery album edit view. Already looking forward to that.00:15
kimdEnjoy hacking. I will go to bed.00:16
@scrottienight kimd00:22
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+perlDreamerwell, it seems we have an in-lined footer working00:53
+patspamperlDreamer++00:58
+perlDreamerthat's by eyeballing the output00:59
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@scrottiehrm.  my login on webgui.org stopped working.  trying to do password recovery, it says "There is no email registered for this account. Password recovery via email is not possible."01:35
@scrottietrying to make a new account, it confirms that scottwalters is already used.01:35
@scrottiewho do I talk to to have the thing kicked?01:35
+perlDreamerlet me see if I can help you out01:35
@scrottiecreating a ticket (in now; thanks), for "What's the bug in?", does git bleed == WebGUI Beta?  that's kinda suspect.01:40
+perlDreamermaster == WebGUI Beta01:41
+perlDreamerwe don't file tickets for WebGUI8 yet01:42
@scrottieer, this is master... something not far what has been released for 7.01:44
+perlDreamerwhat's the bug?01:44
@scrottieafter removing a user from a group with WG:Group->deleteUsers(), $thatUser->getGroups() still lists them as being in the group.  the cache key getGroupsForUser isn't being cleared in Group::clearCaches.01:46
@scrottieWG::Group01:46
+perlDreamerhow do you know that bug hasn't been release yet?01:46
@scrottiehmm?  I don't know.01:46
@scrottieI could check out tagged release versions.01:47
@scrottiebut first I thought I'd ask more about the procedure.01:47
@scrottiepreviously, I was told, approximately, that bug fixes should have tickets.01:47
+perlDreameryes01:47
@scrottiecool.  details on that?01:47
+perlDreamerit's best to try and narrow down when the bug was introduced01:48
@preactionit's a judgement call, really. don't worry too much about obscure API bugs, but anything from the web interface should be documented01:48
@scrottiewell, I was given two days to fix that bug and I hit a bug in my effort to fix that bug, so my instinct is to fudge in the name of meeting my deadline.01:49
@scrottieso, don't bother with tickets for obscure API calls, but if I do create a ticket, document which versions the bug effects?01:50
+perlDreamerthere isn't any unreleased code in Group.pm01:51
+perlDreamerso it has to be in a released version01:51
@scrottieokay, so verify that it effects at least one release version?01:51
@scrottiepreaction, can you comment on the policies here?01:52
@preactiondon't care about which versions it affects, just which version it'll be fixed in. if it affects someone, they'll find it (or we'll find it for them)01:53
@scrottieokay.  I'm going to have to continue asking on a case by case basis until I discover the pattern.01:53
@preactionbut yes, you might want to verify on a demo site: http://beta.webgui.org (for 7.9) or http://demo.webgui.org (for stable, 7.8)01:53
@scrottieI should take and spend another day with the Wiki some time.01:53
@scrottiewell, it's API, not UI01:54
@scrottieso I would be ssh'ing in.01:54
@preactionah, then don't worry about it. time better spent writing regression tests or moving on01:54
@scrottiecool.01:55
@scrottieyeah, this is already a tangent to what I was doing.01:55
@scrottieahem.  I assume fixes get backported from WebGUI8->WebGUI7 and forward ported from WebGUI7->WebGUI8.  or is there a procrastinated day of reconcilliation?01:56
Haargprocrastinated01:56
Haargwe don't do many bug fixes in WebGUI8 at this point aside from bug fixes to the WebGUI 8 stuff01:57
Haargi was just working on a merge of 7 into 8 but got tired of it01:57
+perlDreamertime to take the kids to piano, back on later tonight01:59
@scrottieHaarg:  understandable.01:59
@scrottieperlDreamer:  have fun01:59
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Haargi did one merge already, so it's not as bad as it could be, but it's probably time to do another.02:00
CIA-57webgui: Scott Walters master * r867095d / (lib/WebGUI/Group.pm t/Group.t): 02:08
CIA-57webgui: A user removed from a group with deleteUsers() will still appear to be in that02:08
CIA-57webgui: group according to Inbox.pm, User::getGroupIdsRecursive() and User::getGroups().02:08
CIA-57webgui: Groups.pm wasn't clearing the cache key "getGroupsForUser" in clearCaches().02:08
CIA-57webgui: Tests and fix. - http://bit.ly/9RyuFA02:08
CIA-57webgui: Scott Walters master * r7ef3c7e / t/Inbox/Groups.t : Less diagnostic output and don't manually clear the group membership cache. - http://bit.ly/cVN2xV02:08
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Haargpatspam, what else needs to be done for pseudorequest?02:49
+patspamhey haarg02:50
+patspampseudorequest is going away02:50
Haargah :) sounds like a good idea02:51
+patspamand I think all instances of WebGUI::Test::getPage() should be replaced with something like Plack::Test::test_psgi() where you pass in a callback to test the response02:51
+patspamthat way it will work for streaming responses too02:51
+patspamand we'll be able to do the PLACK_SERVER thing to test under any server02:52
+patspambut pseudorequest will be very valuable for one thing02:52
+patspamcolin's already done the leg work of mapping out and documenting a lot of the Apache2:: methods02:52
+patspamwe can use that as our cheat-sheet when finishing the job of ripping out WebGUI::Session::Http02:53
+patspamand the mapping to WebGUI::Session::Request/Response which is mostly just Plack::Request/Response02:53
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+perlDreamerscrottie, I tracked down the Group caching bug.04:24
@scrottieI know, I did too04:24
@scrottieI told you what it was already, when you asked me what was going on =P04:25
+perlDreameryes, but when I looked for the variable that you named, it wasn't in the code04:25
@scrottienot a variable, a cache key.04:25
+perlDreamerit wasn't there either04:25
+perlDreamerack never lies04:25
@scrottiehttp://github.com/plainblack/webgui/commit/867095d8117eba16debe5917e0577f17e00f6f5704:27
@scrottiethat change to WebGUI::Group fixes the test failure in the test I added to t/Group.t04:27
@scrottieand also changes the t/Inbox/Groups.t I put together the other night so that it fails in the way expected and consistent with the bug04:28
@scrottieI've got revised SQL for that but I wanted to take a nap first before committing and look at the test outputs again and so on.  I've finished the nap portion of that plan.04:28
+perlDreamerexcellent!04:29
+perlDreamera couple more notes04:30
@scrottiesure!04:30
+perlDreamerwe release right out of the master repository on Tuesday04:30
+perlDreamerwhich is today04:30
@scrottieack!04:30
+perlDreamerand 1 requirement for release is that all tests pass04:30
+perlDreamerso, for future reference, please don't commit tests that expose bugs unless fixes are shortly following, on Tuesdays ;)04:30
@scrottiehaha, okay04:30
+perlDreamerthe good news is that we alternate releases04:31
+perlDreamerone tuesday is stable04:31
+perlDreamerthe following tuesday is beta04:31
+perlDreamerso you got a week to straighten things out!04:31
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r2d3b14b / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Fixed #11613: Thingy: If next action after add is to add more things, previous data remains - http://bit.ly/azEZGJ04:37
CIA-57webgui: khenn webgui-7.8 * rc4cc5c2 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm : Not enough arguments to searchOther - http://bit.ly/9Z2TE804:37
@scrottiewaiting for the 2nd prove to run so I can `kompare` them.  wee!04:42
@scrottieI think some of these warnings/failures are 5.12 induced.  I should fix those.04:42
+perlDreamerthe canonical run of WebGUI (one that really counts) has to pass on the WRE04:42
+perlDreamerwith 5.804:43
+perlDreamerno done_testing04:43
+perlDreamerno say04:43
+perlDreamerno ~~04:43
* perlDreamer starts to whimper, "ITS NOT FAIR"04:43
@scrottieand no grammar-plugins?  awww =(04:43
+perlDreamerall the rest of the world gets to use 5.1004:43
@preactionand yet we still have to test on IE604:44
+perlDreamerbut we'll be free after WebGUI8, yes?04:44
+perlDreamerWebGUI8 == perl 5.10, Moose, CHI, plack and >=IE704:44
@preactionprobably not.04:44
+perlDreamerwhat!!??04:44
+perlDreamerbut you said so04:45
@preactionthat was before i remembered that plainblack's largest client is IE6-only04:45
+perlDreamerthey can upgrade04:45
+perlDreamerthey can run IE10 in IE6 compatibility mode04:45
@preactionyes, they've been "going to upgrade" for years now04:46
@scrottieyou know, we could run khtml2png server-side and generate, as output, a gif image map and present that.04:46
@preactionone of them even brought it up to The Big Boss in a huge pep-rally / meeting that made the news04:46
@scrottieI guess people couldn't actually fill in forms but oh well.04:47
@preactionhttp://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/07/14/us-state-department-employees-ask-hillary-clinton-for-firefox/04:48
@scrottieso this helpdesk rework I'm supposed to be doing... the AJAX has to go in IE6?04:49
@preactionthat's even after the WUC '06 where I was (again) talking to Palamara about it (or rather, Palamara was ranting about it)04:49
@preactionnope, that's the beauty of the HelpDesk, it's not Core WebGUI04:49
@scrottieahh.  fweeew.04:49
+perlDreamerpreaction, not to disagree04:49
+perlDreamerbut if our largest customer can't post tickets, it wouldn't be good04:50
+perlDreamerit would reduce our workload initially04:50
+perlDreamerbut I suspect that would be a self-correcting problem04:50
@preactionquelle horreur. they can spend their own time and money to get it fixed for their platform04:50
@scrottieI love webapps that gracefully decode for browsers without JS or with JS disabled.04:51
@scrottiedegrade.  not decode.04:51
+perlDreamerWebGUI doesn't degrade, it breaks04:51
@preactioni like them too, i just hate making them because it takes three times as long04:51
@scrottieCan't locate object method "new" via package "CODE" (perhaps you forgot to load "CODE"?) at /home/scott/plainblack/WebGUI7/webgui/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm line 823. ... that's annoying.04:54
+perlDreamerwhere's that scrottie04:54
@scrottienot sure.  one of the tests.04:55
+perlDreamerI've got another half hour at piano lessons, I'll run the test suite on master and see what's up04:58
@scrottielooking into it myself too... 05:00
@scrottieleast I can do is get a good stack trace.05:00
+perlDreamerI ran it several times last night while doing END block cleanups05:00
+perlDreamerand I thought everything passed....05:01
+perlDreamerbut I've been wrong too many times not to double check05:01
@scrottiehttp://gist.github.com/43093905:02
@scrottieshould I push my changes anyway and assume that my changes are unrelated?05:04
+perlDreameryes05:05
+perlDreamerHaarg: pushing a code ref into addToCleanup doesn't work like CODE => sub { #something }, ?05:07
+perlDreameranalogous to SQL?05:07
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rec4c31c / t/Config.t : Fix some cleanup code. - http://bit.ly/buomOt05:09
+perlDreamernice work all around scrottie05:09
+perlDreamerjust needs to be backported to the 7.8 branch05:09
@scrottieshucks...05:09
@scrottiehaha05:09
* perlDreamer puts on his Code Cop hat05:09
+perlDreamerit's not my favorite job05:10
CIA-57webgui: Scott Walters master * r07657e5 / lib/WebGUI/Inbox.pm : 05:14
CIA-57webgui: Reworked active messages SQL. Fixes #11594. Don't try to relate05:14
CIA-57webgui: to groups that the user may not be a part of any longer. - http://bit.ly/8XHcv105:14
CIA-57webgui: Scott Walters master * r647dc6a / t/Inbox/Groups.t : Correct number of tests. - http://bit.ly/abzkRg05:14
@scrottieso many questions... is this the sort of thing that goes into changelogs?05:14
+perlDreamerThe fix for Frank's bug, definitely05:15
+perlDreamerthe fix for the API... I say yes05:15
+perlDreamerpreaction may say no05:15
@preactiondoesn't matter to me either way really05:15
+perlDreamera while ago, we decided to be very thorough about opening bugs to record EVERYTHING we do05:15
+perlDreamerand it's kind of lagged (all around)05:15
+perlDreamerbut I try to encourage people to do that05:16
+perlDreamerjust so he have good records05:16
* perlDreamer thinks that getMechLogin needs to be moved into a WebGUI::Test::Mech utility class05:18
+perlDreamerscrottie, there's a potential, hidden bug in Frank's suggested SQL05:28
+perlDreamerit doesn't return things in the right order05:28
+perlDreamerand there's no tests for that05:28
+perlDreamertime to take kids home05:29
+perlDreamerback in 6005:29
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CIA-57webgui: Scott Walters webgui-7.8 * r6c3bd64 / (lib/WebGUI/Group.pm t/Group.t): 06:35
CIA-57webgui: A user removed from a group with deleteUsers() will still appear to be in that06:35
CIA-57webgui: group according to Inbox.pm, User::getGroupIdsRecursive() and User::getGroups().06:35
CIA-57webgui: Groups.pm wasn't clearing the cache key "getGroupsForUser" in clearCaches().06:35
CIA-57webgui: Tests and fix. - http://bit.ly/9dzrUv06:35
@scrottiewhoah, did I push that?06:38
@scrottieno.06:38
+perlDreamernope06:40
+perlDreamerI did06:40
@scrottiethanks, I guess =P06:40
@scrottie        ORDER BY messageStatus='pending' DESC, dateStamp DESC ...06:41
@scrottieshould that messageStatus='pending' maybe be part of the WHERE clause?06:41
+perlDreamerI think so06:42
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r819c8ed / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.8.21 release. - http://bit.ly/c6AYfY06:46
+perlDreamerscrottie, yet another undocumented git policy thing06:48
+perlDreamerduring release, please don't make commits into the branch that is being released06:48
+perlDreamerit should only be about 1 hour or so06:48
@scrottiethat's just common sense.06:49
* scrottie pushes the Yahoo! Toolbar at the last second.06:49
@scrottieit's FREE!06:49
+perlDreamergit revert HEAD06:49
@scrottiehaha, if messageStatus isn't in the SORT, it has to be in HAVING.  06:54
@scrottie754b9c7c (Colin Kuskie     2009-04-16 23:17:55 +0000 404)         $sortBy  = q{messageStatus='pending' DESC, dateStamp DESC};06:54
@scrottieYOU did that =P06:54
@scrottiethat SQL is just a bit wonky.  I don't think I'd better mess wit it just now.  I think I'd need to read through all of this and write some better tests and experiment against real world data and actually look at the UI result and all of that.06:56
+perlDreamerdude, git show 754b9c7c06:56
@scrottieit's PROOF!  you're part of the CONSPIRACY!06:59
@scrottieseriously though, is Frank is still committing stuff like that?07:01
Haargi'm not seeing the problem with that sql07:01
@scrottieHaarg, if it really wants the pending messages first, I guess it's okay, but it seems more likely that they'd want only the unread messages.07:01
Haargit's meant for the general inbox view if you don't apply any sorting to it07:02
Haargwhich shows them by date, but with pending stuff first07:02
+perlDreameryup07:03
Haargcould stand to be documented better i suppose but it's definitely meant to work the way it does07:04
@scrottiealright.07:05
+perlDreamerwhy, oh why didn't I listed to Haarg about making all release tools wgd plugins?07:10
@scrottiebecause Haarg comes on late in the day when we're all tired.07:13
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r8c4830f / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.8.22 development cycle. - http://bit.ly/anHIWB07:25
+perlDreamerokay, release is down07:26
+perlDreamerdone07:26
+perlDreamercomplete07:26
@scrottieyay.07:26
+perlDreamermaybe I'll try running the test suite before commit more cleanup code this time...07:26
@scrottiedon't sweat the small stuff.07:29
@scrottieit is possible to be _too_ careful.07:29
+perlDreameryes, but the tests are there to help me not make mistakes like that07:31
+perlDreamerand as Code Cop, I regularly chastise people for not running the tests07:31
+perlDreamerIt's hard to make the Code Cop badge shine when it's covered with grimy hypocrisy07:32
@scrottiebeats the heck out of a weekly smoke.07:32
+perlDreameronce I finish the END block cleanup, we can see what Test::Aggregate does for test times07:37
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HaargperlDreamer, we probably need a little more than that07:38
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+perlDreamerI wouldn't doubt it07:38
+perlDreamerbut it's the first big, known hurdle07:38
Haarglike a my $g = Scope::Guard->new(sub { WebGUI::Test->cleanup }); at the top of each test07:38
+perlDreamerfind . -name '*.t' | xargs perl -ni -e 'print; print "What Haarg said" if /use WebGUI::Test/;'07:40
Haargi wish you could do that with just the use statement but i've searched around and it pretty much isn't possible07:41
Haargother than with a source filter07:41
+perlDreamerit's just boilerplate that has to be added to each test?07:41
Haargor possibly an xs module that hasn't been created yet.07:41
Haargpretty much07:41
Haargwe take care of it with the END block in WebGUI::Test but that wouldn't work with something like Test::Aggregate07:42
+perlDreameryeah07:42
+perlDreameroh...07:42
+perlDreamermaybe we can do it07:43
+perlDreamerbut in WebGUI807:43
+perlDreamerif (and this is a big if) every test used done_testing07:43
Haargthe other thing is any places we use Test::MockObject unsafely07:43
+perlDreamerwe could make WebGUI::Test to be a Test::Builder, and then grab done_testing07:43
Haargit already is a Test::Builder07:43
+perlDreamerit won't affect the Test::Class tests, since the cleanup at the end of every sub07:44
+perlDreamerand with every script test calling done_testing, we'd have a procedural (non-END block) way of ending every test07:45
+perlDreamerno, it's even easier07:45
+perlDreamerTest::Aggregate wraps every script as a module07:45
+perlDreamerso we could stick stuff into that module07:45
Haargahh yeah it lets you define setup and teardown code07:46
+perlDreamerbut, before we even get there, we need to get those END blocks out of there07:47
Haargyes07:47
+perlDreamerand I just broke some Inbox cleanup, somewhere, so I need to track it down and find it07:47
Haargdoing something with done_testing wouldn't be good because the whole point of done_testing is that it doesn't get run if there is a failure of some kind07:47
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@scrottiehmm?  more likely, I did.07:54
+perlDreamerpossibly, scrottie.  but when you ran the suite it would have shown up07:55
+perlDreamerTest::Aggregate also requires "no_plan" in all tests07:57
+perlDreamerbut that may have been before the advent of done_testing07:57
+perlDreamertoo much, too late, too old07:58
+perlDreamermore fun tomorrow07:58
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CIA-57webgui: Graham Knop psgi * r883b145 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : some WebGUI::Test cleanups (+10 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/dcZyTZ15:18
CIA-57webgui: Graham Knop test-temp-config * rd8137c8 / (20 files in 11 dirs): use temp config file for tests - http://bit.ly/bbGY5n15:18
CIA-57webgui: Graham Knop test-mailserver * r0614383 / (4 files in 4 dirs): new separate module for smtp testing - http://bit.ly/bDl5DU15:19
CIA-57webgui: Graham Knop test-mockasset * ra3c38d3 / (t/Macro/PickLanguage.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test/MockAsset.pm): mock asset test package - http://bit.ly/aEIf0x15:20
CIA-57webgui: Graham Knop test-mockasset * r7f91291 / (t/Macro/PickLanguage.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test/MockAsset.pm): mock asset test package (+599 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/amWrts15:43
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+perlDreamerkhenn, regarding the thing.css file18:02
@khennyeah18:02
+perlDreamerwhy can't things be overridden, using CSS?18:02
+perlDreamerin the template?18:02
@khennit can be18:03
@khennhowever18:03
@khennthe code still writes the css file to the page18:03
@khennno matter what you do18:03
@khennwhich prevents you from using filepump to lump all your stuff together18:03
@khennor compress it18:03
@khennetc18:03
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HaargperlDreamer, http://bit.ly/bbGY5n http://bit.ly/bDl5DU http://bit.ly/amWrts three potential testing things18:19
Haargnot in any of the real branches yet, thought i would get some feedback first18:21
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+perlDreamerHaarg, is Package::Stash already a sub-requirement of anything in WebGUI?18:27
+perlDreamerI guess it's just for testing, so probably doesn't matter18:27
HaargClass::MOP18:27
Haargit's really simple stuff and wouldn't need the module, but we are already using it so i figured i would go with something more readable.18:28
+perlDreamerit all looks good to me18:31
+perlDreamerit simplifies the config cleanup18:31
+perlDreamerit moves the mail and mock asset code out into its own packages18:31
+perlDreamerthere's going to be some ripple out cleanup required of the tests18:31
Haargyeah18:32
Haargthe mocking stuff needs to be applied to other tests18:32
Haargi just did the one to make sure it was working18:32
+perlDreamersure18:32
+SynQohm18:35
+SynQHaarg, perlDreamer hi18:35
+SynQare you still using the WRE?18:35
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+perlDreamerWhat do you mean, SynQ?18:35
+SynQjust as I say it18:35
+SynQare you using it18:35
Haargi'm not using it locally18:35
+SynQand if so, which version?18:35
+SynQsince 0.9.3 is way old now18:36
+perlDreamerI run some tests on 0.9.3, but I still do dev using a source install18:36
+SynQand 0.9.4 is not officially out18:36
Haargi'm using a source install but without apache18:37
+SynQah18:37
@preaction0.9.4 can't be released, it doesn't compile on OS X18:37
+SynQpreaction: you are right18:37
@preactionthough I haven't tested that in about 6 months now, so maybe somebody fixed it. it was only Class::MOP I was having trouble with18:38
+SynQah18:38
+SynQif we drop Class::MOP we could release 0.9.4?18:38
@preactioncan't drop Class::MOP, Config::JSON depends on Moose now18:39
+SynQah18:39
+SynQso we are basically in hell :P18:39
@preactionyep. that's why i've been discussing dropping the WRE altogether in favor of platform-specific packages (.deb, .rpm, macports, etc...)18:40
+SynQok18:40
+SynQI am for it18:40
+SynQbut then you need a 'testing farm' that consists of all those platforms to test WRE?18:40
+SynQor has that allready been accounted for?18:40
@preactionwe have a system, the old WRE build system, but nobody has or will have time to set it up properly18:41
+SynQah18:42
+SynQso there is this: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/webgui18:42
+SynQand this: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hu/lucid/webgui18:42
@preactionnot good enough. they're always too far behind18:42
+SynQok18:42
+SynQbut they are a start18:43
+SynQit's not like starting from ground zero18:43
@preactionmost likely we'd need to set up our own apt repos for the *.deb folk, and a yum repo for the *.rpm folk18:43
+SynQagreed18:43
+SynQto complement the existing debian and rpm bases allready available18:44
@preactionright. they'd pull from us18:44
+SynQwhat can be done to do away with mod_perl in the mean time?18:44
@preactionnothing. 8 is doing that already18:45
+SynQah18:46
+SynQis 8 due before or after september 2010?18:46
Haargafter18:46
@preactionafter18:46
+SynQah18:46
+SynQI'd say we focus on replacing the WRE for WebGUI 818:47
+SynQnot for 7.x18:47
@preactionthe WRE will have one final release to go with the 7.9 stable release18:47
+SynQif I can find a volonteer to fix that Class::MOP thing on mac18:47
+SynQI will put in the effort to get the current head up to par with mysql versions and such18:48
+SynQso there can be a WRE 0.9.4 before the WUC18:48
Haargthe Class::MOP thing is a 64-bit problem of some kind.  i should try compiling the wre on this machine.18:48
+SynQwhich I won't be able to attend this year since I have to be around Tessa at that time to help carry stuff and dry feet and the like18:49
+SynQI say we skip 64 bit compiling of the WRE all together18:49
Haargthat's the plan18:49
+SynQif you need 64 bit now, do a source install18:49
Haargbut it can still cause problems on mac on a 64-bit machine18:49
+SynQhmm18:49
Haargif i understood correctly, the issue preaction was having was due to doing a 32-bit build on 64-bit os x18:50
@preactionyes18:50
+SynQah18:50
+SynQI believe my macbook pro is also 64 bits os x18:50
+SynQso that could make sense18:51
@preactioni completely redid the build script, so i might as well commit that18:51
+SynQsince I also didn't get it to compile18:51
+SynQyou should18:51
+SynQplease18:51
Haargthis machine is 32 bit so i should try building it here18:51
+SynQdo so right now :)18:51
@preactionnow it actually listens to CFLAGS, CCFLAGS, LDFLAGS, etc...18:51
+perlDreamerwhat, no SynQ at the WUC?18:51
+SynQTessa is pregnant again18:52
+SynQdue in november18:52
+SynQso at WUC time I have to be at home18:52
+perlDreamerYou have a wise choice in priorities18:52
+SynQsince we allready have Emma and she needs to be carried around and such18:52
+SynQbesides, this is a WUC for an intermittent WebGUI version anyway ;)18:53
+SynQnext year the WUC will be WebGUI 8 and that I will be able to attend for sure18:53
+SynQand Bart will be coming over18:53
+perlDreamerI'll make sure he drinks enough to cover you18:53
+SynQgood idea18:53
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+SynQok18:54
+SynQHaarg: can you try and compile the git head version of the WRE on your 32bit mac after preaction submits his changes?18:55
+SynQplease :)18:55
+SynQthen I'll have a go at updating all the prereqs over the weekend18:56
CIA-57wrebuild: Doug Bell master * r4328973 / (16 files in 5 dirs): completely redone build.sh and updated sources - http://bit.ly/97d43X18:56
+SynQpreaction: how up to date are the prereqs now?18:56
+SynQin other words: how long ago did you work on it?18:56
@preactionJanuary probably18:56
+SynQok18:57
+perlDreamermissing CHI18:57
+SynQso that probably needs some work18:57
+perlDreamerand some others18:57
+SynQif I'm right I have some time this weekend 18:57
+SynQperlDreamer: are you available this weekend?18:58
+perlDreamerI'll be around this weekend.18:58
+SynQnice :)18:58
+SynQperhaps we can put some joint effort to it18:58
+SynQand release a 0.9.4 before the 4th of july18:59
+SynQor on :)18:59
+perlDreamerIf I have to log into a server, and the default editor is pico19:11
+perlDreameryou're going to be publicly ridiculed19:12
+perlDreameryou have all been notified of the consequences19:12
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+perlDreamerpatspam++ for wgd mail19:22
+patspamyeah I like it too!19:22
+patspammy fav at the moment is: echo boing | wgd mail ...@patspam.com19:24
+patspamthanks to boxcar that goes boing on my iphone via a push notification19:24
+perlDreamerhow is a push notification different from SMS?19:24
+patspamit works when you have wifi and no mobile coverage19:25
+perlDreamerthat happens?19:25
+patspamyeah19:25
+patspamevery day at home for me at the moment19:25
+perlDreamerno way!19:25
+patspambloody t-mobile reception is non-existent in my building19:25
+patspamso now I get my nagios notifications via wifi at home, and via 3g on the road19:26
+patspam(and push notifications are free)19:26
+perlDreamerthat's good, too19:26
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+patspamyeah, I mean, it's not like sms is expensive, it's just annoying to have to keep a sms gateway account topped up19:27
+patspamand actually19:27
+patspamthe provider we're using for one of our clusters doesn't make it through the t-mobile network19:27
+patspamcould never figure out why19:27
+patspamI blame the dutch19:27
+perlDreamerspeaking of dutch, SynQ's not coming to the WUC this year19:28
+patspamyeah I know, I've already shed some tears19:28
+patspamwon't be the same without him19:29
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+patspamI'm heading out for lunch - expecting a visit from JT and Jamie later today!19:30
@preactionwow, that was fast. they just left here Monday19:31
+patspamheh, I'll see what sort of condition they're in after 3 days on the road together..19:31
@preactioneh, they'll be fine19:32
+patspamI've seen enough american road trip movies to be wary =p19:32
+patspamJT will be wearing flares and Jamie will be playing the banjo19:33
+patspamor something like that19:33
+perlDreamerscrottie: there's still some problem with inbox messsages19:52
+perlDreamertry this to replicate it19:52
+perlDreamerrun t/Shop/Transaction.t19:52
+perlDreamerthis will leave a message in the inbox, to a group that no longer exists19:52
+perlDreamerthen, run t/Workflow/Activity/NotifyAboutLowStock.t19:52
+perlDreamerone test will fail, because it reports admin as having 2 messages, instead of the one expected19:52
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r83e9451 / (10 files in 7 dirs): More END block cleanups. - http://bit.ly/c3LApr19:54
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r908b972 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Add Inbox monitoring to WebGUI::Test - http://bit.ly/bfmbZX19:54
@scrottieif the only problem is that the email is still readable after the group goes away (as it should be), then the test is wrong, correct?19:54
+perlDreamerno19:54
@scrottiealso, the tests don't normally run in that order (??) so this doesn't manifest as a test fail unless you run them back to back?19:55
+perlDreamerit shouldn't report the group email as belonging to admin19:55
+perlDreamerthe tests normally run in alphabetical19:55
@scrottiebeing to whatnow?19:55
+perlDreamerand t/Shop comes before t/Workflow19:55
@scrottiebelonging to...19:57
@scrottiealright, I have no idea what you're talking about, so I'll read code.19:57
+perlDreamerscrottie: it looks like the newly modified SQL is saying that the inbox message belongs to Admin19:57
+perlDreamerwhen it should not19:57
@scrottiedid this manifest as a test failure that I missed?19:59
+perlDreamerno20:00
+perlDreamerI changed the test cleanup, which left this inbox message behind20:00
+perlDreamerhowever, the inbox message should not belong to anyone20:00
+perlDreamersince it isn't assigned to a userId20:00
+perlDreamerand the groupId no longer exists20:00
@scrottieright.  just trying to get some context.  thanks.20:01
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@scrottie    is(@{ $adminMessages }, 1, '... sent one message to shop admin, via shopSaleNotificationGroupId');21:02
@scrottiewhat I'm seeing here is that it is intentionally sending a mail message to the admin21:02
@scrottieand in the database, the userId of the admin (3, apparently) is plugged in there, just as expected.21:02
@scrottieand the only reason that the query is picking up on that message is because it is doing         AND   inbox_messageState.userId    = '3'21:03
@scrottieother than that email to the admin not being cleaned up between test runs, this seems to be functioning correctly, remarkably enough.21:03
@scrottiein other news, OSX's X server doesn't do X Test.  wha?21:03
@scrottieam I misunderstanding what I'm seeing here?21:05
+perlDreamernot sure, scrottie, I'll have another look at it after I finish this support ticket21:06
@scrottiecool.21:06
+perlDreameris there any way to duplicate this SQL query, without doing the join?21:12
+perlDreamerselect Event.assetId, endDate, revisionDate from Event join assetData using (assetId, revisionDate) where endDate < '2010-01-01' and revisionDate = (select max(revisionDate) from assetData where assetData.assetId=Event.assetId);21:12
@scrottiewhy avoid the join?  generally, but it probably wouldn't be pretty.  also, I'm used to Postgres.21:13
+perlDreamerspeed21:14
@scrottiestuff is indexed?  nothing is going to be faster than a straight join.  throw a limit on it... that might make it faster too.  does in PG21:14
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6d2d950 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix the delete expired events workflow (again). Fixes bug #11619 - http://bit.ly/cONwYq21:28
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r9f30a6d / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix the delete expired events workflow (again). Fixes bug #11619 - http://bit.ly/9ko4kN21:29
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@scrottieperlDreamer, I'm getting ready to close that one ticket but I want to make sure you're cool with the changes and possible fallout first.  I can wait as appropriate, of course.22:07
+perlDreamergo ahead and close it, we can reopen it if needed22:07
@scrottiealright.22:07
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@khennhave I reached my bug limit for today yet perlDreamer?22:34
@khenn=)22:34
+perlDreameryes22:34
+perlDreamersubmit it tomorrow22:34
@khenntoo late22:38
@khennlast one for today22:38
@khenn(maybe)22:38
@khennstill working on Thingy so we'll see22:39
@scrottiehmm.  I'm not finding a link to mark tickets resolved.  anyway, lunch and coffee round two.22:42
+perlDreamerscrottie, there's a dropdown in the top right22:43
+perlDreameryou may not be setup to resolve them yet, however22:44
+perlDreamerkhenn, I don't want to fix that bug22:53
+perlDreamerthat's a bug in how the method is used22:53
+perlDreamergetUrl's POD docs says that it appends the gateway to it22:54
+perlDreamerand calling the gateway would obviously add the gateway to it22:55
+perlDreamerthere's no code in the core that does that22:57
@khennthere is no reason not to add the check23:01
+perlDreamerit's not a bug23:01
+perlDreamersomeone didn't read the docs23:01
+perlDreamerthey used WebGUI the wrong way23:01
@preactionthere is a great reason to not add the check: /gateway/gateway <- perfectly valid URL23:02
@preactionwe can't save developers from themselves23:02
@khennalright23:12
@khennI'll change the bug to:23:12
@khennevery API method in WebGUI that accepts a url should indicate whether or not it requires gateway to be appended23:12
@khennsince it's not standard23:12
@khennthe pod on those methods says nothing about gateways23:12
@khennso someone reading the API will not know that gateway will be appended to the url23:13
@khennyou'd have to actually look at the code23:13
@khennto determine that23:13
@khennso if you are saying that coding in WebGUI requires that you read every line of code of every method you call23:13
@khennthen perhaps it's not a bug afterall23:13
+perlDreamerwhich methods are you talking about, khenn?23:14
@khennall the methods in WebGUI::Session::Icon23:14
@khennwhich accept pageUrl as an optional parameter23:15
+perlDreamerfixing the POD in Session::Icon is a fixable bug23:16
@khennpreaction:  you can absolutely determine if the gateway is there23:16
@khennif the beginning of the url starts with the gateway23:16
@khennthen it's there23:16
@preactionno you cant. if $asset->get('url') starts with the gateway, it's still not there23:16
@preactionhence: /gateway/gateway <- will break your check23:16
@khennI see23:16
@khennwell then the fix should be to update the pod on every method that accepts a url in webgui23:17
@khennand indicate whether or not the url passed in should contain the gateway23:17
@preactioni never said anyone had to know all of webgui to code for it, or read all of the code for the methods they're using. incorrect documentation is a bug23:17
@khennsure23:17
@khennagreed23:18
@khennwould you like me to open a new ticket?23:18
@preactiondoesn't matter23:19
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r78e8ea3 / lib/WebGUI/Session/Icon.pm : Document that url's passed to Session/Icon methods will have the gateway URL prepended to that URL. - http://bit.ly/cJL1JK23:21
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re222b6c / lib/WebGUI/Session/Icon.pm : Document that url's passed to Session/Icon methods will have the gateway URL prepended to that URL. - http://bit.ly/9R3SfN23:21
+perlDreamerscrottie, please try to resolve that bug again23:28
+perlDreamerit should be set up now23:29
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7ef9c6e / t/Config.t : END block cleanups. - http://bit.ly/andcnu23:33
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r29ca0f2 / t/Inbox/Groups.t : Remove uncontrolled diagnostics, and done_testing. - http://bit.ly/cyq6q223:33
CIA-57webgui: kimd master * rcb82394 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Gallery.pm : Added search by location to the Gallery (RFE 11504) - http://bit.ly/aeuuXe23:33
CIA-57webgui: kimd master * rfa04d01 / (7 files in 6 dirs): 23:33
CIA-57webgui: o Allow return from photo edit view to gallery edit view (RFE 11571)23:33
CIA-57webgui: o Reject form submissions without image selected for upload in edit view of Photo asset - http://bit.ly/bi5Ych23:33
@preactionsigh. rebase before merge. rebase before merge. rebase before merge. rebase before merge...23:34
+perlDreamerI hear autorebase can be setup23:34
@preactionit is. a pull does a rebase. i just didn't pull (i fetched kimd's repo and merged)23:36
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@scrottieo/~ don't you want me BABY... o/~00:16
@scrottiethey play the worst music in Goodwill.00:16
@scrottieseriously, the stuff on the racks for sale is better than what they play.00:16
@scrottiew00t, thanks perlDreamer.  resolved.00:17
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HaargperlDreamer, if i commit that temp config file for testing thing, should i back-port it to 7.x?01:22
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+perlDreamerHaarg, I'd love to have that in master and 7.802:49
+perlDreameralthough, I haven't pulled all the END block cleanups back into 7.8, either02:49
Haargok, i'll try to work on that.  although i guess it will have to be done differently in 7.8 due to differences in config file paths02:51
+perlDreamerlet's skip 7.8 then02:52
+perlDreamertime is growing short02:52
Haargwell, 7.8/9 is the same story02:52
+perlDreameroh, in that case, skip it all02:52
Haargthe main reason i was thinking to do it is it would probably make merging go smoother02:53
Haargi was trying to work on stuff to get rid of pseudorequest but got distracted by that other stuff i changed02:56
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+perlDreamerscrottie: all tests issues fixed!03:25
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r1fa0d30 / lib/WebGUI/Session/Icon.pm : Fix a whitespace POD issue. - http://bit.ly/am6kuC03:25
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * rd2f48eb / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix cleanup of Inbox messages for users. Provide a method for cleaning up Admin's messages. - http://bit.ly/d23de903:25
+perlDreamerpatspam, I'm ready to check footers, but am lacking something that can talk port 2503:25
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8edcab3 / lib/WebGUI/Session/Icon.pm : Fix a whitespace POD issue. - http://bit.ly/adQb3Z03:26
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5372158 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix cleanup of Inbox messages for users. Provide a method for cleaning up Admin's messages. - http://bit.ly/b48EBp03:26
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@scrottiehmm?  _all_ test issues fixed?04:09
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+perlDreamerscrottie, _all_ as in "all tests on master branch"04:30
@scrottiecool.04:30
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r0578a55 / t/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.t : Freshen the archive from db to fix all tests. - http://bit.ly/aO2XqV04:47
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r705f0d4 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset.t): Setup keywords as a string, not an array ref. Add tests for that. - http://bit.ly/dfvzx704:58
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+perlDreamerhm, Moose adds lots of weirdo code, according to the debugger05:27
+perlDreamerit would appear that there's a problem with requestAutocommit ?05:32
+perlDreamerthe debugger is awesome!05:37
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * ra9bf59f / t/Asset/Wobject/StoryTopic.t : Pull fresh copies of the Topic from the db. - http://bit.ly/a8y2yq17:43
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HaargperlDreamer, just pushed a bunch of backported test stuff to master18:12
+perlDreamerHaarg, have you ever tried this:18:12
CIA-57webgui: Graham Knop master * r0ddd109 / lib/WebGUI/Group.pm : reset groups for all assets in database instead of those listed in config file (+7 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/c1AXbp18:12
+perlDreamerdiag $session->id->toHex('PBnav00000000000000008');18:12
+perlDreamerdiag $session->id->toHex('PBnav00000000000000001');18:12
+perlDreamerand looked at the output?18:12
Haargheh18:12
Haargno18:12
+perlDreameryou should18:12
+perlDreamerit's very enlightening18:12
Haargthe tests generally seem to work ok, but a number of them are failing in ways that i wouldn't expect to be related18:13
+perlDreamerit would appear that only the first 20 characters are significant in calculating the hexId18:14
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+perlDreamerdang, I think it's a bug in MIME::Base6418:20
+perlDreamerthe spec says that up to 2 = are allowed18:20
+perlDreamerbut if we pad with 2 ='s, and run through 22-character assetIds that differ in the last two characters, the binary decoded strings are the same18:20
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HaargperlDreamer, i'm not sure it's a bug18:42
+perlDreamerwhy not, Haarg?18:43
+perlDreamerit's already caused clashing CSS id's in rendered pages18:43
Haargwe are giving it data that isn't quite a valid base6418:44
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HaargPBnav00000000000000008 is not really a valid guid18:44
+perlDreamerit's not?18:44
Haargit could never be created by our guid generator18:44
Haargtoo many bits18:44
+perlDreamers/never/not likely to be/18:44
Haargno18:45
Haargnever18:45
Haargmd5 is 128 bits18:45
Haarg22 character base64 is 132 bits18:45
HaargPBnav00000000000000008 has too much precision to be a valid md518:46
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+perlDreamerhow 'bout this18:49
+perlDreamerthere is a bug18:50
+perlDreamerit's either in WebGUI, in how we use base64 and hex encoding18:50
+perlDreameror there's a bug in MIME::Base64, in how it's decoding random junk we throw at it18:50
+perlDreameror there's a bug in allowing developers to manually pick GUIDs18:51
Haargthe last one i would say yes18:51
Haargbut there are other fixes18:52
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* scrottie sighs18:57
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@scrottiegod I hate Linux.18:58
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Haargok, so yeah i guess i'm wrong about there being other fixes18:58
HaargPBnav00000000000000008 cannot be represented as a 32 character hex code18:59
+perlDreamernope18:59
+perlDreameryou're right, the bug is allowing devs to pick assetIds19:00
+perlDreamersince they can't pick storageIds, it should be okay19:00
Haargyeah19:00
+perlDreamerbut I'm still stuck with a way to make unique CSS Ids out of invalid data19:00
Haargwell, we can adjust the code to output longer ids19:00
+perlDreamerSince everything after an = is ignored, how about adding a 0 to the end of the assetId, in order to give it enough bits?19:02
Haargi'm working on something like that19:03
Haarghttp://gist.github.com/43321419:06
+perlDreamerthe problem with that is that we'd have to go and rename every storage location, right?19:07
@tavistobased on an email I just received, I think Experian is using wG for it's intranet. (In South Africa)19:07
Haargno19:07
Haargit gives the same ids as before19:07
Haargfor normal guids19:07
Haargactually it is buggy and doesn't but that's the idea19:08
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+perlDreamerwhy does it strip trailing 0's?19:12
+perlDreamer0 is a valid hex char19:13
Haargit was meant to strip then re-add them19:13
Haargbut it's busted in a number of ways19:13
* perlDreamer is off to the gym19:15
+perlDreamerI'm sure that bit alignments and padding will follow19:15
Haarghttp://gist.github.com/43322919:18
Haargthe ending zero was getting stripped off by the old code19:19
Haargthat code should generate the same ids for anything generated by the guid generator19:20
Haargand 33 character hex strings for things like PBnav0000000000000000819:20
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Haargthat last patch was also a bit goofy.  the thing i committed is better.19:33
CIA-57webgui: Graham Knop master * r596420c / lib/WebGUI/Session/Id.pm : generate better hex ids for manually created badly formed guids - http://bit.ly/aWYtcF19:34
* Haarg is tempted to commit http://gist.github.com/43326719:37
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+perlDreamerHaarg, normally i advise against succumbing to temptation, but in this case, I'd encourage you to give in20:24
+perlDreameralso, Haarg, temporary config files don't seem to work with my setup: http://gist.github.com/43332620:31
Haargoh fun20:31
+perlDreamerthat's a lot of ../20:31
Haarghow are you running them?20:33
+perlDreamerenv WEBGUI_TEST_DEBUG=1 perl Session/Id.t20:33
+perlDreamersame result from running it from /data/WebGUI20:41
CIA-57webgui: Graham Knop master * ra2cb075 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : fix temp config file for tests - http://bit.ly/bvOo9W20:43
Haargi don't really know how it was working at all previously, but that should fix it20:43
+perlDreamerCannot read config file: /tmp/mywebgui-11_M.conf at /usr/share/perl5/Config/JSON.pm line 4720:45
Haargcan you check what the filename it is trying to copy from is?20:46
Haargin WebGUI::Test->file ?20:47
+perlDreamerhttp://gist.github.com/43334920:48
Haargoh20:49
Haargyeah, that was dumb20:49
+perlDreamerdude, you're stepping on my toes20:49
+perlDreamerYou're supposed to do brilliant things20:49
+perlDreamerI'm supposed to go around making dumb mistakes20:49
+perlDreamerlike deleting Cron jobs that have communication errors20:49
Haargtry this http://gist.github.com/43335120:50
+perlDreamerthat works20:52
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@scrottiealright.  okay.  alright.20:52
+perlDreamerdo you want to commit that, Haarg, or would you like me to?20:59
Haargyou can21:00
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb74d211 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Temporary config file fix. - http://bit.ly/doBoUl21:02
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+perlDreamerpreaction, Haarg, patspam: I don't see any reason why a PSGI merge isn't doable now22:14
+perlDreamerI'm cleaning thing in each asset.22:14
+patspamhey perlDreamer22:14
+perlDreamerAll the major systems are working, especially Session22:14
+patspamit doesn't pass all the tests though22:15
+perlDreamerno22:15
+perlDreamerbut that's due to issues in an Asset22:15
+perlDreamerrather than Asset.t22:15
+perlDreamerFormBuilder isn't passing, but preaction doesn't expect it to22:15
+patspamoh - even though the psgi branch fails some tests that pass in the WebGUI8 branch?22:15
+perlDreameras long as there is parity between the failures, I still think y'all could merge22:16
+perlDreamerdo you want me to paste some recent results for comparison?22:16
+patspamwhat do you mean by parity?22:17
+patspamlike, at the moment, psgi fails on stuff that wg8 passes on.. that's not parity right?22:17
+perlDreamercmp_deeply (failures_from_psgi, failures_from_WebGUI8, 'no mismatch in failures');22:17
+perlDreamerno, that's not parity22:17
+patspamyeah, we're not there yet22:17
+perlDreamerwhat's failing?22:18
+patspamwell, last week a whole lot of stuff22:18
@scrottiehaha22:18
+patspambut then i did a quick hack around pseudorequest, and about a third started passing22:18
+patspamactually i didn't bother running the whole suite, just the A's and B's.. =p22:19
+perlDreameroh....22:19
+patspamenough to know that we're not there yet22:19
+perlDreamerwell, let me put it this way then :)22:19
+perlDreamerWebGUI8 is ready for you22:19
+patspamhehe22:19
+patspambut are YOU ready for webgui8?22:19
+patspamthat should be the tagline22:19
+perlDreamerI'd better be, I'm talking about it at the WUC!22:19
+patspamwheee!22:19
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+perlDreamerand frodwith is talking about Moose in the morning, so everyone will be primed and ready for the WebGUI specific stuff22:20
+patspamI *really* want to get it merged, because I know that will accelerate things, just gotta get over this hump22:20
+patspamnot sure if you backlogged the other day when I was talking to Haarg about pseudorequest22:20
+perlDreamerI usually backlog, but I may have been out22:21
+perlDreamerI'll check the logs22:21
+patspamon the one hand, we're throwing it away because we can create a *real* psgi request object22:21
+patspambut on the other hand, it's a gold mine for the work that's left to be done22:21
+patspambecause you essentially did the hard work of mapping all the Apache2:: methods22:21
+patspamwe just need to steal from that as we're ripping out WebGUI::Session::Http22:22
+patspammapping wG core direct to WebGUI::Session::Request/Response22:22
+patspam(which is a thin wrapper around Plack::Request/Response)22:22
+patspamso perlDreamer++ to you!22:22
+perlDreamerwrapper, or sub-class?22:22
+patspamslapper22:22
+patspamthey're designed to be subclassed22:23
+patspamit has the miyagawa gold stamp of awesomeness on it22:23
+perlDreamercool, we've been bitten by too many wrappers around everything22:23
+perlDreameron the one hand, they insulate you from low-level API changes22:23
+perlDreamerbut on the other hand, you're reimplementing all these methods22:24
+perlDreamerthe most infamous of which is DBI22:24
+patspamyeah, I reckon in this case the less we "improve" the API the better22:24
+perlDreamertotally22:24
+perlDreamerhey, if I fly into Chicago and drive to Madison, would you want to ride share there?22:24
+patspamhence getting rid of WebGUI::Session::Http22:24
+perlDreameror do you prefer to fly into Madcity?22:24
+patspamhey that'd be cool!22:24
+patspamAndy will be with me too22:25
+perlDreamerAndy's coming to New York?22:25
+patspamyep!22:25
+patspamfor the weekend22:25
+perlDreamerwhen do y'all plan to fly out?22:25
+patspamMonday was the plan22:25
+patspambut we haven't booked yet22:25
* perlDreamer will look into flight arrival times into Chicago for Monday22:26
+patspamsweet22:26
+perlDreamerI think it will be much cheaper to fly into Chicago and drive, rather than into Madison22:26
+patspamlet's rendezvous in Chicago and drive over to msn22:26
+patspamand more fun!22:26
+perlDreameryes22:26
+patspamI'll be staying on in madison afterwards for the weekend though22:26
+patspamHelen is coming out on the Friday22:27
+patspam(last day of the wuc)22:27
+perlDreamerWe're still trying to firm up plans.  I don't know if Kathy is going to make it out this year22:27
+patspamAndy is flying back to Aus from MSN, although maybe it'd be cheaper for him to fly back from Chicago22:27
+patspamso maybe he'd be up for a return road trip to chicago on Saturday22:28
+patspamprobably depends on flight times though22:28
+perlDreameryeah22:28
+perlDreameremail me some info, and I'll see what we can work out22:29
+patspamcool22:29
+patspamthe other thing with WebGUI::Test22:29
+patspamI want to completely replace getPage22:29
+patspamwith Plack::Test::test_psgi22:30
+perlDreameri don't think that would be a problem22:30
+perlDreamergetPage predates our usage of WWW::Mech22:30
+patspamyeah, Plack Test achieves the same thing, but via a callback API (http://advent.plackperl.org/2009/12/day-13-use-placktest-to-test-your-application.html)22:30
+patspamthat way we can use the PLACK_TEST_IMPL env variable to run those tests under any plack server we like22:31
+patspamand by using the callback API, we can support streaming responses etc..22:32
+patspamand finally, doing it with HTTP::Request/Response objects feels nice and clean too22:32
* patspam goes back to writing a $work spec doc22:33
+perlDreamergot a little plack-happy there, dude22:33
+patspamhehe22:33
+patspamdoesn't take much22:33
+patspamoh actually, was going to ask22:35
+patspamis there anything in WebGUI that let's you hide an asset via Group membership?22:36
+patspamas in, exclusive22:36
+patspamwithout creating another group?22:36
+perlDreamerI'm not sure that I follow22:37
plainhaowhitelist?22:37
+patspamyeah it's kinda strange22:37
+perlDreameryou can set the ownerUserId22:37
+patspame.g. bob and mary are both in group x, and there are a whole lot of assets with whoCanView set to x22:37
+patspamjane comes along, also in group x - but there's one little asset that she's not supposed to see22:38
+patspamcan I do it without creating group y that bob and mary both belong to?22:38
+patspam(jane is in group z)22:38
+perlDreamerthere's no blacklisting22:38
+patspam(z and x)22:38
+patspamI was thinking about creating an assetProxy variant that did it22:38
+perlDreamerbut, by good group structure, you can get the same thing22:38
plainhaoblacklisting can get out of hand, no?22:39
+patspamyeah, I'd just really like to avoid creating group y22:39
+perlDreamerjane is in z, have x be a subgroup of z22:39
+perlDreamerbut that won't work for the reverse case22:39
+patspamthe thing is there's a whole lot of complex machinery already build around groups x and z22:39
+patspamI really don't want to have to mess with it just to hide this one little asset22:40
+patspamit's non-critical enough that I'm tempted to just create a macro that uses JS to hide it..22:40
+perlDreamerhang on22:40
+perlDreamerin that one little asset22:40
+perlDreamermake jane the owner of the asset22:41
+perlDreamerthat will give her viewing and editing privileges22:41
+patspamjane's the one who's not supposed to see it22:41
+perlDreamerargh22:41
+perlDreamerwhat's wrong with jane?22:41
+perlDreamerisn't this gender discrimination?22:41
+patspamhehe22:42
plainhaowhat if tarzan gets added to x? you want the same exclusion?22:42
+patspamshe's in a randomised control trial group22:42
+patspamyep, there's lots of janes22:42
+patspammaybe I should use an AssetProxy-like macro with custom code that shows it to bob and mary but not jane22:43
+patspamI wonder how well Survey works through AssetProxy22:43
+perlDreameronly for 1 click22:43
+patspamdang22:44
+perlDreamerafter that, you lose focus on the AssetProxy, and go to the Survey22:44
+perlDreamerare bob and jane also members of some other group, already?22:44
+patspamyes22:45
+patspamx22:45
+perlDreamerin addition to x22:45
+perlDreamerlike Turn Admin On, Passive Analytics users22:45
+perlDreamerFriends Managers?22:45
+patspamRegistered Users?22:45
+perlDreamerbut so is Jane22:45
+perlDreamerjane*22:45
+patspamjane-prime?22:46
+patspamer, star?22:46
+perlDreamerall janes22:46
+patspamask again22:46
+patspamI'm confused22:46
+perlDreamersorry, I confused bob and mary22:46
+patspamah I suspected as much22:47
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* perlDreamer should have some lunch22:47
+patspamheh22:47
+patspamI think I'll just hack it with JS22:47
+patspamshame that Macros can't scream out STOP! and force the containing asset to not render22:48
+patspam(on the server)22:48
+perlDreamerdie?22:49
+patspamyikes maybe.. does that work?22:50
+perlDreamerit won't render, that's for sure22:50
+perlDreamerbut not in a user friendly way22:50
* patspam runs off to try22:50
+patspamoh that's ok, I just want it to disappear22:50
+patspamdamn, it's caught22:55
+patspamUnable to process macro 'Die': Died at ...22:56
+patspamah well, javascript it is22:58
@scrottieZork solved this one.23:11
@scrottienothing just happens... a pass is made telling each object about each other object (verb->direct object, direct object->indirect object, etc) giving them a chance to protest; each object is invoked against each other object to update their internal states; then another round is made for them to give status updates on the result.23:12
@scrottieI think I've become irrationally fanatical about Zork's implementation, though.23:13
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rb964897 / t/Asset/Wobject/StoryTopic.t : StoryTopic test doesn't due, but has test failures in it. - http://bit.ly/aBsY3W23:13
+perlDreamer23 failing tests, and counting23:13
+perlDreamer22 failing tests23:14
@scrottiethe sky is failing!  the sky is failing!23:27
+perlDreamersoon, we'll be out of failing tests!23:27
+perlDreamerwhat will we do then?23:27
@scrottiehmm.  I have some ideas.23:35
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@scrottiecan someone tell me about all of this Class::C3 usage?  I'm seeing a lot of stuff using it, the man page saying not to use it, and most cases not even doing multiple inheritance.00:15
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+perlDreamerwhat man page saying not to use it?00:18
+perlDreamerperhaps you shouldn't use it in 5.12, since C3 is a default MRO00:19
@scrottiethe perldoc for Class::C3 version 0.22 says not to use it.00:23
@scrottie"       NOTE: YOU SHOULD NOT USE THIS MODULE DIRECTLY - The feature provided is integrated into perl version >= 5.9.5, and you should use MRO::Compat instead,00:23
@scrottie       which will use the core implementation in newer perls, but fallback to using this implementation on older perls.00:23
@scrottie"00:23
@scrottieapparently, you shouldn't use it in 5.10 either.00:23
+perlDreameryeah, WebGUI hails from 5.8 days00:24
+perlDreamerand there are still users who use 5.800:24
@scrottiethat's okay.  I was just curious what considerations there were (if there was a good reason it was being used despite warnings or what the overall goal was) before considering ripping it out.00:24
@scrottierunning some comparative tests right now.00:24
+perlDreamerit's out in WebGUI800:24
@scrottiewait, it is?00:24
+perlDreameryes00:24
+perlDreamerif you're seeing it, it's a bug00:24
+perlDreamershouldn't be in there00:25
@scrottiea bug or botched git usage... git tells me I'm on branch WebGUI800:25
@scrottiebut ack is showing me a screenfull of hits00:25
+perlDreamerin a file called JSONCollateral00:25
+perlDreamerand in every file inside AssetHelpers/*.pm00:26
@scrottieI'm trying to look at this t/Asset/JSONCollateral.t thing but I'm slowly realizing that it's going to take me a considerable amount of time to get my Moose-fu up to the point where I can muddle around in this stuff00:26
@scrottieyup.00:26
+perlDreamerwe should consider making JSONCollateral a Moose type for WebGUI00:26
@scrottieyeah.00:27
@scrottieI'm fumbling my way down that road ;)00:27
+perlDreameror maybe a separate object, that is delegated00:27
@scrottiefigures that's what you meant when you suggested I look into the thing.00:27
+perlDreamerbut that's preaction's call at this point00:27
@scrottiefigured.00:27
@scrottiefirst test was blowing up with other stuff trying to call ->meta on that class (the definition stuff) so I didn't really see any other options.00:28
@scrottieI guess the definition stuff could do $package->can('meta') and make all of that stuff conditional.  bah.00:28
+perlDreamerno, JSONCollateral needs to be updated to work with Moose00:33
+perlDreamerdefinitely00:33
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@scrottieI should be helping with Plack, not with Moose =P00:34
+perlDreamerscrottie, you must learn the ways of Moose.00:34
+perlDreamerYou are older than most padawans, but we'll take you on for training anyway00:35
@scrottiebleah.  waste of training.  I'm old, tired, and crotchety.00:35
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@scrottieI like the OO that was hacked onto Forth way better than the OO shoehorned onto Perl.00:39
+perlDreamerforth?00:41
+perlDreamerforth?00:41
+perlDreamerForth is for heffalumps and woozles00:41
@scrottieactually... I should do an Acme:: module that, if you try to B::Deparse::coderef2text something that's XS, not Perl, it should invoke objdump and spit out the x86 assembly.00:44
@scrottiethen of course something that'll let you build CVs from x86 assembly.00:44
@scrottiejust for a little of that Forth flavor.  then we can dump all of the primitives and library stuff into one big file and declare Perl to have been written in itself.00:44
@scrottiehrm, first I'd have to write Inline::x86.00:45
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r88e7144 / t/Workflow/Activity/ArchiveOldStories.t : Update the test for Moose status stickiness. - http://bit.ly/aL3JTm01:14
+perlDreamerI think that takes us down to 21 tests01:14
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+perlDreamerakeane, channel rules are simple01:21
+perlDreamerif you have a question, please feel free to ask01:21
xdangerhttp://freshmeat.net/ - Most Vital Projects - 2. WebGUI 59.74%01:31
+perlDreamer"Vital"  -- cool!01:31
+perlDreamerhm, vitality on freshmeat is a measure of how often you make announcements01:35
+perlDreamerstill, it's nice that people know we do work regularaly01:39
@scrottiewhat the heck is "collateral data" anyway?01:42
+perlDreamerIt's like a data backpack01:42
+perlDreamerfor example, in the DataForm, collateral data is the set of fields and tabs that make up a form, and the data a user enters.01:43
+perlDreamerI guess, in general, it's data stored outside the asset specific tables01:43
+perlDreamerAbout two years ago, we decided to start storing JSON data in the database01:43
* scrottie listens01:44
+perlDreamerit was a quick and relatively easy way to get collateral data to be revisioned01:44
+perlDreamerto be exported and imported during packages01:44
+perlDreamerhowever, it makes it nigh on impossible to manipulate it using SQL01:44
@scrottiehrm.01:45
+perlDreamer$scrottie->translate('hrm')->expand_clarify01:47
@scrottieno thoughts other than "that's vaguely interesting" and I don't have any more questions at the moment.01:50
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HaargperlDreamer, would you like me to backport those test changes i just made to 7.8?02:13
+perlDreamersure02:14
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CIA-60webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r6f10297 / (20 files in 11 dirs): use temp config file for testing (+5 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/cnNuYA02:59
xdangerhttp://mentalhouse.net/irc/logs/webgui/latest.log.html <-- little bit easier to read, and you can bookmark the latest directly03:04
+perlDreamerthanks, xdanger03:04
xdangershould I break the log for each day?03:04
+perlDreamernah03:05
xdangerok, your the boss ;)03:05
+perlDreamerthose logs have really helped us out several times03:05
* perlDreamer steps out to make dinner03:05
xdangerI try to read the backlog every now and then, but I don't like to read long backlogs in my client. I hope that this html conversion will benefit me also =)03:14
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+perlDreamerpreaction, I'm pleased to report we're in the home stretch for WebGUI8 tests05:11
@preactionyay!05:11
+perlDreamertoday we broke 20 failing tests05:11
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rf3769d6 / t/Macro/UsersOnline.t : 05:11
CIA-60webgui: Fix the UsersOnline test.05:11
CIA-60webgui: Interesting failure. Calling new on the assetId caused the template to fail. I think this is due to priming the cache with05:11
CIA-60webgui: the asset data as an Asset, instead of as a Template. - http://bit.ly/bqNuH405:11
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * ref32e85 / lib/WebGUI/Macro/UsersOnline.pm : Exception handling for the Template in UsersOnline macro. - http://bit.ly/dd0rqw05:11
@preactionthen master merge! then PSGI!05:11
@preactionmaybe i'll have time to finish the getEditForm and Admin Console changes and then RELEASE!05:12
+perlDreamerpatspam says PSGI isn't ready to merge yet05:12
+perlDreamermore failing tests than WebGUI8 branch05:12
@preactionbut aren't they supposed to fail? isn't that why we're merging? so we can all fix them?05:13
* perlDreamer thought you said not to merge until all tests are passing05:13
@preactionall WebGUI8 tests05:13
@preactionthat way we have a stable baseline to merge against05:14
+perlDreamerwell, we're still 18 tests away from that05:14
@preactionand any tests that break are PSGI's fault05:14
+perlDreamerHaarg: much testing brokenness in WebGUI805:19
+perlDreamerPlack::Test?05:20
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+perlDreameroh, very convenient05:20
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rd439f32 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : No Plack, yet... - http://bit.ly/b9L81505:21
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+perlDreamerHaarg, I think a Plack line may have crept into WebGUI::Test a little prematurely05:22
Haargyeah, possibly05:22
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r073623b / t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/Test.t : change to surveyJSON accessor. => getSurveyJSON. This should probably be completely reworked to use some kind of object delegation. - http://bit.ly/9rgZpH05:26
+perlDreamer16 tests away05:28
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rfc3bda3 / t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/Reports.t : Remove SKIP for use_ok, and fix surveyJSON accessor. - http://bit.ly/dgcRV405:28
+perlDreamermaybe less, since I think the Survey tests cause the expireSurvey test to fail05:29
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r4dc9cba / t/Asset/Story.t : Fix storageId cleanup, had a syntax error in perl 5.10.1 - http://bit.ly/bUoMBk05:52
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Haargi caught that one in master/webgui-7.8 but forgot to do it in WebGUI805:53
+perlDreamerany others, by chance?05:53
+perlDreamerlike StoryArchive?05:53
Haargnothing comes to mind05:54
+perlDreamerwould you mind giving it a run, in WebGUI8?05:54
+perlDreamerCannot read config file: /data/webgui/etc/mywebgui-6T7K.conf at /usr/share/perl5/Config/JSON.pm line 4705:54
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Haargack05:54
Haargi thought i had pushed the fix for that05:55
+perlDreamerI'm up to date05:55
Haargcan you stick some diag in sub file to see what paths it is using?05:57
+perlDreamergetting the same thing from AssetAspect/RssFeed.t05:57
+perlDreameryeah, I can do that05:57
+perlDreamergreat, now it's passing06:00
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* perlDreamer will run the test a bunch of times06:00
+perlDreamermaybe it only fails in the suite...06:02
+perlDreamerwhich doesn't bode well06:02
Haargthe error you posted is weird because it shouldn't be sticking the temp config file in /etc/06:03
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Haarghow are you running he suite?06:03
+perlDreamerprove -rm --verbose . > ../proven806:22
+perlDreameralso, all my code is pushed06:29
+perlDreamerwith the exception of the warn statements06:29
+perlDreamerI'll run the suite again06:30
Haargwhat output are you getting from your debug stuff?06:44
+perlDreamerstill running06:45
+perlDreamerthe output from the standalone tests had the temp config file in /tmp06:45
+perlDreamerHaarg: http://gist.github.com/43401806:49
+perlDreamerat the start of the test, it's fine06:49
+perlDreamerbut down the line, it wants to stick it into etc06:49
Haargdoes it always do that when you run that test?06:50
+perlDreamerif I run it standalone, it works fine06:50
+perlDreamerif I run it in the suite, then I get the bug06:51
Haargwhat if you do PERL5OPT=-MDevel::SimpleTrace prove ...06:52
+perlDreamerI'll do that next06:53
+perlDreamerbut I think it may be in copying or duplicating sessions06:53
+perlDreamerthe export code open a new Session by Session->open($session->config);06:54
+perlDreamerthat passes the object through to the constructor06:54
+perlDreamer... madly installing perl modules07:06
+perlDreamerstupid package based perl install07:06
HaargperlDreamer, i'm seeing a bunch of test failures looking like # Compared $data->{"url"} #    got : '_test-ems' # expect : 'test-ems'07:12
Haargdo you know anything about that?07:13
+perlDreamerI haven't seen anything like that07:13
Haarghrm07:13
+perlDreamerI was down to only 16 test failures before I pulled the latest testing updates07:13
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Haarglooks like it was something in my config07:23
+perlDreamerwhat do you set in the config to change Asset URLs?07:27
+perlDreamergatewayUrl?07:27
Haarggateway07:28
Haargbut that wasn't it07:28
Haargi'm running the test suite here as well07:30
+perlDreamerI'm still trying to rebuild my system07:31
Haargrebuild?07:31
+perlDreamerwhen I switched to Ubuntu, I installed the webgui package07:33
+perlDreamerapparently, I deleted it07:34
+perlDreamerand it took every dependency out with it07:34
+perlDreamerI'm almost back up with all required modules07:34
+perlDreamerbut I'll guess I'll find out...07:34
Haargah fun07:34
Haargi'd probably end up just compiling my own perl.  don't have much choice on os x.07:34
+perlDreamermaybe the perl community has shot themselves in the foot by not paying more attention the OS distributors07:39
Haargi don't know about that.  there's been a bunch of work on cpan metadata to help with distributors07:39
Haargof course, the @INC order was only corrected recently unfortunately07:40
+perlDreameryeah07:40
Haargbut with that and stuff local::lib, i think they've done as much as possible to help packagers, and made other solutions for where that isn't enough07:41
Haarghttp://gist.github.com/43405407:41
+perlDreamerit's supposed to work both ways?07:42
Haargyes07:42
+perlDreamerI mean, open checks for that07:42
Haargyes07:42
Haargwell, it's supposed to07:42
+perlDreamer:)07:42
+perlDreamersounds like we need more tests07:42
Haargsilly me not checking that07:42
Haargyes, it does07:43
Haargcouldn't remember if that was something i had only gotten into psgi07:43
Haargand if you wanted to pass it a filename, the correct thing to use would be pathToFile07:43
+perlDreamerit won't work with the temporary filenames07:44
+perlDreamerWebGUI::Config takes them and makes them relate to configBase07:44
+perlDreamerwhich means temporary files would have to be in etc07:44
Haargwell, in 8 with WebGUI::Paths, i made it so you can pass in an absolute path07:44
+perlDreamerbut this is 8 that we're working on07:44
+perlDreamermysql won't start, I'm going to try a reboot07:45
+perlDreamerback in 1007:45
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Haargwelcome back07:49
+perlDreameryay, mysql isn't borked anymore07:49
+perlDreamerI see the code in Config.pm that checks for absolute paths07:52
+perlDreamerwhich can only mean that the config path isn't absolute.07:52
Haargyeah, that code is fine07:52
Haarg(although i just changed it)07:52
CIA-60webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * rb1b1a3c / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Gallery.pm : force scalar context in some needed places - http://bit.ly/bHbm4T07:52
CIA-60webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r870d3e5 / lib/WebGUI/Operation/Settings.pm : add require for needed module - http://bit.ly/9XUeIn07:52
CIA-60webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r24c8e0d / lib/WebGUI/Group.pm : reset groups for asset classes listed in database instead of in config file - http://bit.ly/b2sUsj07:52
CIA-60webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * rdfa1a3d / (lib/WebGUI/Config.pm lib/WebGUI/Session.pm): temporary config file fix - http://bit.ly/d9rtcH07:52
Haargit's just that it is trying to use just the file name to duplicate the session07:53
Haargwhich won't work07:53
Haargi'll fix that same issue in 7.x too07:53
Haargalthough i'm not sure how07:53
+perlDreamerbut the filename is absolute, it should pass07:54
+perlDreamerunless it's getting stripped somewhere07:54
Haargjust the base file name07:54
HaarggetFilename just gives you the file's base name with no path07:54
HaargpathToFile gives you the full thing07:54
Haargthe problem should be fixed now though for WebGUI8 at least07:55
Haarghttp://gist.github.com/434066 can you do a quick look at this for anything that doesn't look right?07:57
+perlDreamerwhy is it behaving differently standalone versus in the suite?07:58
Haargi have no idea07:58
Haargi get the same failure if i just run StoryArchive.t on its own07:59
Haargwithout the fix07:59
+perlDreamerit looks like the patch removes all the unmocks08:00
Haargfor the most part they aren't needed08:00
Haargthey are automatically unmocked when the object is destroyed08:01
+perlDreamerso when we run this with Test::Aggregate it will DTRT08:01
Haargit should08:01
Haargi'll stick some docs in the new package for stuff08:01
+perlDreamerI'm starting to want a Test::Most::WebGUI module08:03
+perlDreamerthe patch looks okay08:03
Haargand the tests it modifies do pass08:04
+perlDreamerthat's good proof :)08:04
* perlDreamer needs to head to bed08:04
+perlDreamerto recap08:04
+perlDreamerwe should be back in the testing groove08:05
+perlDreamerwe need tests for Session->open, with objects, and with filenames08:05
Haarga good idea08:05
Haargi'll fix that issue with temp configs in 7.x08:05
+perlDreamerpending on support board work, I'll write the tests08:05
+perlDreamerand for sure will get in a full test suite run for a double check08:06
Haargand i'll add docs for the new test modules08:06
+perlDreamerthanks for staying up and working on this stuff with me08:06
CIA-60webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r49be762 / (11 files in 7 dirs): mock asset test package - http://bit.ly/alcoxY08:06
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SDuensinCrikies.  Is it Monday again?!16:48
+bartjolSDuensin: for you, sure if you want16:57
SDuensinNot really.16:59
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+perlDreamerHaarg++ for MockAsset test packages17:41
+perlDreameroff to drop kids off at school, back in 2017:46
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+perlDreamerhey, MrHairgrease!17:58
+MrHairgreasehowdy!17:58
+perlDreamerhow's things back east17:58
+MrHairgreasein need of weekend =)17:58
+MrHairgreaseluckily that'll be in about half an hour17:58
+MrHairgreaseand how's life in the west?17:59
+MrHairgreasewild?17:59
+perlDreamerwet18:00
+MrHairgreasei see18:00
+perlDreamerwildness starts in 1.5 weeks18:00
+MrHairgreasethe weather is kinda shabby overhere as well18:00
+MrHairgreasewhat'll happen in 1.5 weeks?18:00
+perlDreamerthe kids get out of school and invade the peaceful sanctity of perlDreamer Consulting18:00
+MrHairgreaseoi18:01
+MrHairgreaseseems like you have a bad case of...18:01
+MrHairgreaseThe Children18:01
+MrHairgrease=)18:01
+MrHairgreaseBy then I'll be at Rory's wedding 18:01
+MrHairgreaseall the way in France18:01
+perlDreameris his wife from France?18:01
+MrHairgreasetogetehr with Oqapi's, Procolix' and JT and Sarah are also supposed to come18:02
+MrHairgreaseno his wife is also from Voorburg18:02
+perlDreamersounds like a party!18:02
+MrHairgreasebut they figured if they get married, why not do it in some place everybody has to drive 9 hours for =)18:02
+MrHairgreaseI guess it will be18:02
+MrHairgreaseand after that I'll be camping with Marijn for a week18:02
+MrHairgreaseto unhaste18:03
+MrHairgreaseWe can loan the company car, which is a Smart car.18:03
+MrHairgreaseHopefully the tent and a bag will fit =)18:04
+perlDreamerhopefully you and Marijn fit :)18:06
+MrHairgreasewe can always put Marijn on the roof =)18:09
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+perlDreamershe's streamlined, it'll go with the whole Smart car theme18:10
+MrHairgreaseI'll pass on the compliment18:11
+bartjolmartin's deer is calling procolix18:13
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+perlDreamermorning, preaction18:35
+perlDreamerIf you have a Red Hat 5-like system with its mysql package installed, will you nuke the system with yum remove mysql?18:42
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+perlDreamermmmm, mapping ,r => wgd reset is a good move18:52
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+perlDreamer~~ morning, patspam19:14
+perlDreamerHaarg, almost back to normal19:20
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r33640e6 / t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t : Fix a storage clean-up. - http://bit.ly/dyc5RC19:20
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r4a8b88d / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : Ubuntu does not install Package::Stash with other dependencies. Added it to testEnvironment.pl - http://bit.ly/aRGfca19:20
+perlDreamerhaving problems with group clean-ups, but I'll track them down19:20
Haarghttp://gist.github.com/434705 thoughts?  for master.  sub name is wrong but i couldn't think of a good name.19:22
+perlDreamerthere's no "sub name" in that patch19:23
+perlDreamerjust openForSite19:23
Haargyes19:23
HaargopenForSite is a bad name19:23
+perlDreameroh, I see19:23
+perlDreamerhow about reopen?19:25
+perlDreamerand why pull it out of sub duplicate?19:25
Haargwas checking the code base for places making new sessions.  a bunch of them need new session ids.19:26
+perlDreamerbut, if you need a new sessionId, why not just use open?19:26
Haargbecause then you have to figure out the config file path to give it19:27
Haargwhich is not entirely obvious and currently wrong in most places19:27
+perlDreameryeah19:28
+perlDreamerhow do you feel about "overloading" it?19:28
+perlDreamerif called as a class method, make a new one19:29
+perlDreamerif called as an object method, then make a new session with the same config, but new sessionId?19:29
Haargmight be reasonable19:30
+perlDreamereverything else I think of, like "reopen", "duplicate", "clone", "replicate" sounds like making exactly the same as I have now19:32
+perlDreamerand what we want is almost the same as now19:32
@khennperlDreamer:  isn't there a script somewhere for converting templates from H::T to T::T ?19:55
+perlDreamerfrodwith has such a beast19:55
+perlDreamerI have a copy of it, but he may have something more recent19:55
+perlDreamerI'll email it to you19:55
@frodwithi -do- have something more recent19:56
@frodwithhttp://github.com/frodwith/html-template-templatetoolkit19:56
@frodwithit works better19:56
@frodwithsince it's an actual parser, instead of a really really naive set of regexs19:56
@khenncool19:57
@khennI'm doing a lot of this lately and it's starting to annoy19:57
@frodwithyeah, it gets old quickly.19:58
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@scrottieI'm looking at doing some of those pesky business day-only errands and then parking at a coffee shop for a while.  Besides needing to do errands, I need to get out of the house.20:18
+perlDreamerHaarg, I think that's the last test from our upgrading/updating last night20:22
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r509b833 / lib/WebGUI/Group.pm : quickArray returns 1 row, buildArray returns all rows - http://bit.ly/9FXr3o20:22
+perlDreamerif this passes, I'll start writing those Session tests20:22
+perlDreamerworking with a database redefines code coverage20:28
+perlDreamerit's almost as bad as working with regular expressions20:28
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@scrottiehrm, a mocked DBI::mysql that just returned abuse would be interesting.20:38
@scrottieer, DBD20:40
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CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2c1e2b9 / lib/WebGUI/Group.pm : quickArray returns 1 row, buildArray returns all rows - http://bit.ly/bOOGFS20:48
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r5ca2583 / lib/WebGUI/Group.pm : quickArray returns 1 row, buildArray returns all rows - http://bit.ly/9LqbxZ20:53
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+perlDreamerSynQ: you still on for WRE work tomorrow?21:04
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+perlDreamerHaarg, the changes to resetGroupFields are bumping up against my infamous JSONCollateral21:22
+perlDreamerJSONCollateral needs to now both be something that works with Class::C3 for FilePump/Bundle (which uses CRUD) and the Calendar, which uses Moose21:23
+perlDreamerand needs a Role21:24
+perlDreamerrewriting FilePump::Bundle to use Moose and Definition is an option21:25
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+perlDreamerHaarg: http://gist.github.com/43488221:48
+perlDreamershould that be db->dbh, or s/do/write/; ?21:48
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r4b730ac / lib/WebGUI/Role/Asset/Comments.pm : Use the right fieldtype for JSON fields in the db. - http://bit.ly/bOnoaa21:54
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rb8fc033 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Calendar.pm : Update the icalFeeds field to use JSON fields correctly. - http://bit.ly/aQSezC21:54
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r9b071c1 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Update the JSON collateral test. Duplicate JSONCollateral into a Role so it can be used with Assets. - http://bit.ly/a2m4sz21:54
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rc373341 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : do is for database handles, write is for WebGUI::SQL. - http://bit.ly/chds6p21:54
@scrottieI had a pretty good hunch you'd knock that one down before I figured it out.21:54
+perlDreamerit was necessity21:55
@scrottieyup.21:55
+perlDreamerbut surprisingly easier for Assets than I thought21:55
@scrottiewhen you know what you're doing ;)21:55
+perlDreamerhowever, now we have two JSON Collateral modules21:55
+perlDreamerand that's not good21:55
@scrottieduplicate in APIs sounds unavoidable.  duplication in code can be minimized.  dunno.21:55
@scrottieduplication21:55
@scrottielooks like I have some WebGUI7 features for Monday so I'm thinking I might just work on my badly neglected YAPC stuff and then flop over to that Monday.21:56
+perlDreamerwhat kind of features?21:57
@scrottiehttp://gist.github.com/43489721:58
+perlDreamerthat'll be easy21:58
+perlDreamerand good work to start learning the API21:59
+perlDreamerthe most common beginner mistakes:21:59
+perlDreamer1) Didn't write an upgrade subroutine to add the field to the database21:59
+perlDreamer2) Didn't i18n the label and hover help21:59
@scrottiehey, frodwith, I fired up the Skype Linux beta and the thing is freaking out.  It won't stop giving me notifications that it's your birthday.  Previous Linux Skypes just crash and take out Linux a lot.  Is this a bug or a feature?21:59
@frodwithbut it's not my birthday21:59
@frodwithtill tomorrow22:00
@scrottiewell, I've dismissed about 20 notifications now.22:00
+perlDreamerfrodwith's birthday is important22:00
@scrottieso hurry the hell up and have your birthday.22:00
+perlDreamerSkype doesn't want you to forget to get him a present22:00
@frodwithI have made scrottie's day more annoying.  Success!22:00
+perlDreamerand it's giving you 12 hours notice22:00
@scrottiehaha22:00
@scrottieI guess the Mac Skype just hits ftd.com with your credit card number for you and then tells you about it after the fact.22:01
@scrottieperlDreamer:  noted.  thanks.  I'll invent some new newbie mistakes.22:01
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+perlDreamer14 tests to go22:09
+perlDreamerpreaction, to get to 0, some POD needs to be written for FormBuilder stuff22:10
+perlDreamerand the FormBuilder packages have to pass, too22:10
@preactionjust ignore them for now, they're not being used by anything yet, and they are being tested/documented in my local copy22:10
+perlDreamerokay, sounds good22:10
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r91d94ab / t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ExpressionEngine.t : Update this test for the changes to the Survey. - http://bit.ly/bQduq522:16
+perlDreamer12 tests22:17
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rbb78682 / t/Workflow/Activity/ExpireIncompleteSurveyResponses.t : Update this test for the method name change, surveyJSON -> getSurveyJSON - http://bit.ly/9SMmWW22:17
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+perlDreamerJavaScript::Minifier::XS throws an exception in WebGUI8, but works fine in master and 7.822:57
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CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * ra766179 / (etc/WebGUI.conf.original var/upgrades/upgrade_7.9.3-8.0.0.pl): Add maintenancePage to the config file. - http://bit.ly/aqpWXE23:07
+perlDreamerwgd edit's not working in 8, either23:11
HaargperlDreamer, re: http://gist.github.com/43488223:26
Haargshould be $db->write( $sql, \@params );23:26
Haargfor 7.x23:26
* perlDreamer is a good guesser today23:29
+perlDreamerwhat about 8.x?23:30
Haargdo as it is should be correct23:30
+perlDreamerit wasn't working that way in 823:31
+perlDreamermaybe it was a partial merge/commit ?23:31
Haargakc23:31
Haargack23:31
Haargpsgi23:31
+perlDreamerwrong branch?23:32
Haarg->do( would work in psgi23:32
Haargi really need to work on that so it can be merged and i can stop making dumb mistakes like that23:32
Haarg::SQL is psgi is a DBI subclass23:33
+perlDreamerwe are only 5 tests away from being mergable23:33
+perlDreamerAsset/Wobject/Survey.t23:34
+perlDreamerFilePump/Bundle.t23:34
+perlDreamerAsset/EMSSubmissionForm.t23:34
+perlDreamerAsset/Asset_diagnose.t23:34
+perlDreamer./Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo/view.t23:35
+perlDreamerI'm working on the EMSSubmissionForm test now23:35
+perlDreamerPOD.t, FormBuilder.t, FormBuilder/Tab.t we're supposed to ignore23:36
+perlDreameri18n/template.t needs a new package, which I can't make yet23:36
+perlDreamerbut that's just to fix an i18n label23:39
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@khennpreaction++00:01
@khennjust because I love WebGUI::AssetAspect::Installable00:02
+perlDreamerEMSSubmissionForm can't be fixed until we have in-memory assets00:06
+perlDreamerEMSSubmission, and EMSSubmissionForm both need fully active assets, so they can call $self->getFormProperties on them00:08
+perlDreamerand the www_editSubmission{,Form} methods can be called as class constructors, so they may not have a $self to work on00:08
+perlDreamermaybe we need another, parallel method in meta for doing things like that00:09
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+perlDreamerbecause they don't need the actual values, aside from defaults00:09
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+perlDreamerugly, ugly, ugly01:45
* perlDreamer is out for a while. Later guys01:45
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scrottieeek03:09
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CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r1e55078 / t/Asset/Asset_diagnose.t : Update this test for WebGUI::Definition; - http://bit.ly/cqu55A04:43
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+perlDreamerscrottie: you un-eeked04:43
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@scrottiewifi reception here is poor.04:51
@scrottieperlDreamer, shouldn't you be out jetskiing?  or rock climbing?04:52
@scrottiehot air ballooning?04:52
+perlDreamerI think you're thinking of kimd04:52
* perlDreamer is just an old fuddy duddy dad04:52
@scrottieI wonder if the "old" part is true.04:52
* perlDreamer is old04:53
+perlDreamereven in hexadecimal04:53
@scrottiestill dubious.  still think you should be parasailing.04:54
@scrottieor at least drinking microbrew.04:54
+perlDreamerhow does lemon tea with honey strike you?04:54
@scrottienothing against it.04:54
@scrottiefly kites.04:55
@scrottiedo they have water parks in Portland?04:55
+perlDreamernot really04:55
+perlDreamerNorth Clackamas Water Park is the closest thing we have to do that04:56
+perlDreameryou have to build indoor water parks, since it rains in !July04:56
@scrottiegtg.  just told that I myself am being antisocial.04:57
@scrottielasertag.04:57
@scrottieeveryone loves lasertag.04:57
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+perlDreameryes, Survey.t is working!05:10
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r7df0cc5 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t): Always get a fresh copy of the survey after doing revision control. - http://bit.ly/cdJbL305:12
+perlDreamerHaarg, you'll never believe it!05:33
+perlDreamerAsset_diagnose showed something useful.05:33
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+perlDreamerMerge - 1 Test and counting05:45
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r416c373 / t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t : Fix cleaning up some files. Asset->new is not to be used unless you know what you're doing. - http://bit.ly/dwl4i105:46
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+perlDreamerlast test run06:03
+perlDreamerthat's it06:18
+perlDreamerwe're as stable as we can get06:18
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rdcdd671 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the pending flag, get a fresh copy of the photo asset under test. - http://bit.ly/akyj9006:19
+perlDreamerthat's it folks06:24
+perlDreamerlast fixable test core test06:24
+perlDreamertime to merge in the PSGI branch06:24
+perlDreamergot all the modules installed06:49
+perlDreamertime to pack it in for tonight06:49
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CIA-60webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r169218a / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : fix mistake in WebGUI::Test - http://bit.ly/aDPUGq07:06
CIA-60webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * re063818 / (5 files in 5 dirs): some URL fixes and removing some uses of PseudoRequest - http://bit.ly/aqml4f07:06
CIA-60webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r89d4f46 / (94 files in 30 dirs): Merge branch 'psgi' into WebGUI8 - http://bit.ly/9xXnmU07:06
CIA-60webgui: Graham Knop psgi * r169218a / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : fix mistake in WebGUI::Test - http://bit.ly/aDPUGq07:06
CIA-60webgui: Graham Knop psgi * re063818 / (5 files in 5 dirs): some URL fixes and removing some uses of PseudoRequest - http://bit.ly/aqml4f07:06
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CIA-60webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r650918e / (5 files in 2 dirs): remove left over upgrades - http://bit.ly/cNa13Q07:39
CIA-60webgui: Graham Knop yui-cdn * rf2de5fa / (38 files in 12 dirs): start of YUI from CDN - http://bit.ly/auor3907:41
CIA-60webgui: Graham Knop upgrades * rea5471a / lib/WebGUI/Upgrade/File/wgpkg.pm : fix wgpkg upgrade class (+599 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/9EsYs807:42
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@preactionHaarg: is that yui2 or yui3? if all goes according to plan, frodwith will be migrating us to yui 2in309:42
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Haargthat's 209:54
Haargthe method i created in it is called yui209:55
Haargit's something i did a while back, i was just rebasing my branches09:55
Haargoh yes i should keep talking to myself09:55
CIA-60webgui: Graham Knop intercept-logger-callback * r2617f41 / (t/Workflow/Instance.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): use callback for log interception instead of on/off - http://bit.ly/d3XV4o13:37
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+perlDreamerSynQ: Saturday morning checkin18:33
+perlDreamerbreakfast time, bbiab18:37
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* perlDreamer is back!19:14
+perlDreamerlet's merge19:14
+perlDreamerlet's work on the WRE19:14
+perlDreamerANYTHING TO KEEP ME FROM DOING YARD WORK19:14
SDuensinperlDreamer!20:28
SDuensinI got one for you...  Woke up today to a zero-byte wre.conf.20:28
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+perlDreamerzero-byte wre.conf....21:29
+perlDreamerwhich version of the WRE are you using, SDuensin, SDuensin1?21:29
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SDuensin1Sorry.  Went to eat.23:59
SDuensin1I thought I had 0.9.3 but the config file says 0.9.2.23:59
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+perlDreamerSDuensin1: I'm pretty sure you should upgrade00:41
+perlDreameryou can check the bug boards for that particular bug00:42
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SDuensin1I need to do a lot of work on that server.   :-(00:42
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+perlDreamerHaarg, you gurt mergin' beastie!02:14
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+perlDreameronly 45 tests to fix02:46
+perlDreamernot so bad02:46
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+snapcountgreetings, who's around =)03:06
+snapcountperlDreamer you there?03:07
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+snapcountI've just discovered wgd, pure awesomeness, I'm not coding against a repo version of webgui though, so previousVersion.sql does not exist, thus reset --dev no workie.  Any wgd experts around?03:11
+snapcounthttp://pastebin.org/32896003:13
+snapcountah screw it, don't think this is happening without the repo version, installing git, I'll just work with that, then I can put this project under revision control which is better anyway03:30
+perlDreamerwhat's up, snapcount?03:35
+perlDreameryes, you should always use revision control03:35
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rcb8268f / lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm : Fix POD problem - http://bit.ly/dDcbyA03:42
+snapcountwell I'm not writing for the core03:43
+snapcountit's for my own warez, so I was being lazy03:43
+snapcount=)03:43
* perlDreamer passes snapcount a gun, and points to his foot03:43
+snapcounttis what happens when you stop coding and just do business crap all the time03:44
+snapcountI'm setting git up now, only used it once or twice but I love the concept of local repos03:44
+perlDreamerit's really nice03:44
+snapcountand doing a "push"03:44
+snapcountyeah03:44
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r95523e7 / lib/WebGUI.pm : A little bit of POD for WebGUI.pm - http://bit.ly/ctublv03:46
+snapcountso how do I clone the current stable branch -vs- head?03:48
+snapcountnm I see it in the docs03:48
+perlDreamerHaarg was very thorough about that03:48
+snapcountdidn't read far enough, so you dl everything then switch between03:48
+perlDreameryes03:48
+perlDreamerset up a remote repository03:49
+perlDreamerthen clone a branch03:49
+snapcountI feel like an old fart that is behind the times lolz03:50
+perlDreamereh, doing business crap and having kids will do that to you03:50
+snapcountI'm trying to get used to the new 'gestures' on the macbook03:52
+snapcountI just got a new one today, my air croaked03:52
+snapcountand the touchpad is different, no actual buttons anymore03:52
+snapcountthe 13" one is basically the same size as the air, just thicker and a bit heavier, but way more powerful and it has a builtin dvd drive, like it a lot more03:53
+snapcountgit clone at 51% --- <yawn>03:59
+perlDreamerit's pulling down every branch04:01
+perlDreamerand the git history goes back before 1.004:01
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+perlDreamerdinner time, bll04:07
@preactionsnapcount: not to cause undue hardship, but "ln -s previousVersion.sql create.sql"04:32
@preactionthat being said, using a repo is still a better idea04:33
+snapcountI did that actually lol04:40
+snapcountbut that command tries to run an upgrade04:40
+snapcountwhich doesn't work well when the two files are the same wg ver =)04:40
+snapcountit just puked everywhere, I'm up and running now, just ran the reset with no probs04:41
+snapcountwhy does it clear everything out but leave the page layouts?04:41
+snapcounti.e., wgd reset --dev04:42
+snapcountit removed all the content but left the page layouts which is fine I suppose04:43
+snapcountHaarg you win the "best idea ever award" for writing this thing, it's awesome04:46
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CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rd661d97 / lib/WebGUI/Session/Url.pm : Referring to onesself in the third person is reserved for policitians like Bob Dole. - http://bit.ly/cr29Nv05:59
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+snapcountshould assetId still be char(22) binary?06:35
@preactionyes06:47
@preactionmyisam likes char better than varchat06:47
+snapcountthanks06:54
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CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf50d3b7 / (5 files): END block cleanups - http://bit.ly/cX0sJm07:20
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8bcf653 / t/Session/Scratch.t : END block cleanup for session/scratch.t - http://bit.ly/cbUdm007:25
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CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra8b82ef / (4 files in 3 dirs): More END block cleanups. - http://bit.ly/bS5TSW07:34
Haargsnapcount, the --dev option on reset is just a shortcut for a number of other switches07:38
Haargyou can create profiles in the wgd config file to make it easy to specify groups of options07:38
+perlDreamerHaarg, we need a sideport of the temporary config file fix in master07:39
Haargso you could get rid of the option to remove the home page content07:39
* perlDreamer is almost done07:39
Haargor not do the upgrade07:39
Haargor import a different file that is neither create.sql or previousVersion.sql07:39
Haargyeah, i know perlDreamer 07:39
Haargi was kind of stuck on trying to create that new sub that was like duplicate, except with a new session id07:40
Haargbecause that would be the best way to fix it07:40
Haargit isn't easy to do otherwise.07:40
+perlDreamerit's going to be a bummer working without WebGUI::Paths, and all the other cool 8 things07:41
Haargre that new sub07:41
+perlDreameryeah?07:42
Haargi had also thought of the name 'reopen' but that implies the same behavior as duplicate07:42
Haargand i wouldn't mind re-using open but as an object method07:42
Haargbut the signature is rather less than ideal07:42
Haargstill, that may be the best option07:42
+perlDreamerwell, Asset->duplicate does the exact thing that we want07:43
+perlDreamerall the guts, with a new identifier07:43
+perlDreamerbut Session->duplicate is already taken07:43
Haargyeah.  and i think duplicate has the correct behavior for its name07:43
Haargoh, also, i re-discovered interceptLogging07:44
+perlDreamerhow about "replicate"07:44
Haargand i kind of hate it.07:44
Haargi'd like to re-do it as a callback type thing07:44
+perlDreameryou can totally hate it07:44
Haarginstead of global variables on WebGUI::Test07:44
+perlDreamerthat's totally cool07:44
+perlDreamerit would also be nice to have it like a stach07:45
+perlDreamerstack07:45
Haarghttp://github.com/haarg/webgui/commit/2617f41b18d95a75c19b3242f987dca0f8b9892d07:45
+perlDreamerbut, first, how about replicate instead of duplicate for that new sub name?07:45
Haargi don't know.  the names don't at all make it obvious what the difference would be.07:45
+perlDreamerright now, duplicate doesn't take any args07:46
+perlDreamerwhat it we give it an arg for that?07:46
Haargyeah, i was thinking of that too07:46
Haargbut what would the arg be?07:46
+perlDreamernewId => 107:46
Haargthat could work07:47
* perlDreamer will sleep on it07:48
Haargso the choice is between ->open and ->duplicate07:48
+perlDreamerI like mucking with duplicate better07:48
Haargok07:49
Haargi'll work on that then07:49
+perlDreamerI'm not sure that I like wrapping the tests and everything in the callback07:49
+perlDreamerbut I like modal things07:50
+perlDreamerso it's probably just a personal foible07:50
+perlDreamerrather than anything architecturally objectionable07:50
+perlDreamerI'll sleep on that, too07:50
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SDuensinMorning.16:34
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+perlDreamermorning, WebGUI folk!18:01
Haargmorning18:01
+perlDreamerany luck with the Session stuff?18:02
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9ddc60b / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Document a bugfix from earlier in the week. - http://bit.ly/dofqmL18:04
Haargi haven't messed with it yet.18:04
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r9587398 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Document a bugfix from earlier in the week. - http://bit.ly/b7WG8618:04
Haargsomething that's going to be annoying in WebGUI8 tests.  a couple of them now are losing exceptions.18:06
+perlDreamerIs that something I did?  I caught some exceptions and rethrew them.18:07
Haargno18:07
Haargas in, the eval/try is getting exited by an exception18:08
Haargbut $@ is empty18:08
+perlDreamerwow18:08
+perlDreameris something stringifying to '' ?18:08
Haargnope18:09
Haargit's the problem Try::Tiny tries to defend against, but it isn't a perfect soluion18:09
Haargit will at least fix those cases so you can detect that an exception happened properly18:10
Haargbut it doesn't get you access to the lost value18:10
Haargmaybe i should install perl 5.13.1 and see if i can at least use it to track down what is happening.18:11
HaargWebGUI8 test status http://gist.github.com/43780918:13
Haargthere's a few different things relying on either pseudorequest or an apache request object18:13
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Haarga few generating urls incorrectly (double leading slashes and other stuff)18:14
HaargWEBGUI_LIVE stuff should be converted to Test::WWW::Mechanize::PSGI18:14
+perlDreamerin my setup, t/Form/*.t are failing as well18:14
Haarga number of legitimate bugs, and some other stuff i didn't track down fully18:15
+perlDreamert/FilePump/Bundle.t is failing because JavaScript::Minifier::XS is seg faulting18:15
Haargactually i guess i have some stuff to push18:17
Haargi'd still like to change interceptLogging, but i mostly fixed it for now18:17
CIA-60webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * rb48b0be / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : working interceptLogging - http://bit.ly/91DB6H18:17
CIA-60webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r1c2d10a / t/Asset/Asset.t : fix another test - http://bit.ly/a1C7K218:17
+perlDreamercan we use that gist to collectively track status, or should we make a wiki page or something?18:18
+perlDreameror a file in the repo?18:18
Haargis there a reason we aren't using the bug tracker?18:19
+perlDreamerpreaction said it was too early to use it18:19
@preactionfor 8? are we merging psgi and/or master yet?18:20
Haargpsgi is merged18:20
Haargworking on the fallout from that18:20
Haargi mean, we have a lot of stuff so it wouldn't make any sense to have individual bugs, but a few status tracking bugs would make sense to me18:20
@preactionthen i'll set up the helpdesk18:20
Haargneed to do another master merge.  that's a bit of a pain though.18:21
@preactionmy merge will probably be even worse. i have to fix every getEditForm sub in every asset18:21
Haargi wish you could share rerere data18:21
@preactionrerere?18:22
Haarggit rerere18:22
Haargit tries to remember how you resolved merges so if it sees the same thing again it can resolve stuff automatically18:23
Haargpreaction, a couple of those failing tests look like legitimate form bugs.18:23
Haargor at least test bugs unrelated to merge stuff18:23
@preactionWebGUI::Form or WebGUI::FormBuilder?18:23
Haargformbuilder18:23
@preactionignore them for now, they're fixed/passing in my branch18:24
Haargok18:24
Haargit will be nice to get rid of WEBGUI_LIVE too18:24
@preactionindeed18:25
Haargthat exception stuff is really fucking with me.  t/Asset.t has WebGUI::Asset->new throwing an exception18:25
Haargbut once it gets outside the eval $@ is gone18:26
@preactionis there another eval before it goes outside?18:26
@preactioncheck DESTROY18:26
Haargit's Moose's stuff18:26
@preactionI wrote a bug against Test::Sweet because an object destruction was using eval{} and clearing $@18:26
Haargand i looked through it and couldn't find anything18:26
@preactionso the object had to be initialized outside the try/catch18:27
Haargit's in BUILDARGS anyway so there is no object yet18:27
Haargafaik18:27
Haargaaaag18:29
Haargnow it's working18:29
@preactionso for a quick rundown of 8 features: New Cache, innoDB, PSGI, Moose Assets, Admin Console, FormBuilder, anything I'm missing?18:30
Haargso far18:30
Haargalthough is innodb actually in fully?18:30
@preactionit's merged, but not tested or part of the upgrade yet18:32
@preactionjust as admin console isn't anywhere near done due to getEditForm problems18:32
@preactionwebgui.org/8 <- issue tracker and feature status18:33
HaargperlDreamer, i'll leave it up to you what you want to post for the tests18:37
@preactionyay! no more apache!18:44
+perlDreamerpreaction, I'm thinking it will be more smorgasboard.  Now we'll have to support apache, nginx, 3 flavors of plack servers, and WebGUI 7 stuff18:45
@preactionuh. no. we just have to support PSGI18:46
@preactionit's up to apache, nginx, and the plack servers to support PSGI18:46
+perlDreamerHaarg: how does this change to duplicate fix the problem with temporary config files not working in the master branch?18:47
Haargthe issue is that there are multiple places that create new sessions18:48
Haargright now they use ->open($config->getFilename 18:48
Haargbut that won't work for temporary config files18:49
Haargit needs a path relative to etc to be passed in, not a bare filename18:49
Haargbut generating that relative path takes a few lines of code, so it should just be in a method somewhere to be used instead of duplicated everywhere someone wants a session18:50
Haargi admit i hadn't thought of this issue at the time.  it may be bordering on an api change.18:51
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+perlDreamerHaarg, I'm sorry, but I'm still confused19:17
+perlDreamerI thought we need a switch that says, "generate a new sessionId"19:17
+perlDreamerit sounds like we need a method in Config that says, "just use this path, don't bother appending /etc to it"19:18
+perlDreamerthe fix for this in 8 is to use rel2abs, and pass it an absolute path as the 2nd argument19:19
+perlDreamerwhich makes abs2rel just ignore the first argument19:19
+perlDreamerHaarg: http://gist.github.com/43791219:32
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+perlDreamerhm, that makes DeleteExpiredSessions go into an infinite loop20:07
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+perlDreamerHaarg, I don't think this is going to work without WebGUI::Paths20:16
+perlDreamerwe should back it out20:16
@preactionshould archiving a collaboration post remove it from the collab's "20:26
@preactionLast Post"?20:26
+perlDreamerthere's a posted bug that is related to that20:27
+perlDreamerhttp://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/1162220:29
@preactionunrelated, but then he doesn't seem to say what the bug actually is20:30
+perlDreamerthe bug is that the URLs don't work20:31
@preactioni'm asking: if the CS post isn't in the list, should it be the last post20:31
@preactionthe URLs in the Contributions section of Profile doesn't work, only that.20:31
+perlDreamershould they be there at all?20:31
@khennpreaction or perlDreamer:  how does the photo gallery currently create thumbnails?20:31
@preactionwhy not? they did contribute20:31
@preactionkhenn: the same way everything else does.20:31
+perlDreamerbut the post was archived20:31
@khennis it hard coding length and width?20:31
@khennor it is scaling?20:31
@preactionhuh?20:31
+perlDreamerditto20:31
@khennI guess I don't know how it currently works20:32
@preactionWebGUI::Storage::Image <- the same way everything else does.20:32
+perlDreamerWebGUI::Storage->generateThumbnail20:32
@preactionperlDreamer: archives just means "not immediately relevant, but kept for posterity." if it was contributed, we should keep it in the contributions, but if it's not immediately relevant, it shouldn't show up in last post20:32
+perlDreamergotcha20:33
+perlDreamerin that case, it doesn't belong in last post either20:33
@preactionright20:33
@preactionat least, that's my opinion20:33
+perlDreamerkill it!20:34
+perlDreamermake it go away20:34
+perlDreamereither that, or post it as a bug and make me do it20:35
@preactioni'm behind in my webgui 8 tasks, you are not. you lucky you20:36
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4f9051a / t/Storage.t : Update hexId created from non-GUID storageId. - http://bit.ly/diRDZD21:30
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rdc62ded / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Gallery.pm : Remove bad POD from the Gallery. - http://bit.ly/bR2Who21:31
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@preactioncan WebGUI 8 properties have overrides?22:08
@preactionlooks like no22:11
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+perlDreamerpreaction, that's a bummer23:09
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r025eafa / t/Inbox/Groups.t : Update number of tests. - http://bit.ly/aWAYlf23:28
@scrottieCouldn't compile asset package: WebGUI::Asset::JSONCollateralDummy. Root cause: Can't locate WebGUI/Asset/JSONCollateralDummy.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /data/WebGUI/lib /data/WebGUI/lib /home/scott/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.12.0/i686-linux /home/scott/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.12.0 /home/scott/lib/perl5/5.12.0/i686-linux /home/scott/lib/perl5/5.12.0 /home/scott/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.9 /home/scott/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /home/scott/lib/perl5/sit23:36
@scrottiee_perl/5.8.6 /home/scott/lib/perl5/site_perl /data/WebGUI) at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm line 1777. ... on the master branch, mucking about with the web interface.  pulled a bit ago.23:36
+perlDreamerscrottie, please paste23:36
@scrottiesorry.23:37
@scrottiethat was spammy.23:37
+perlDreamerthe problem is that JSONCollateralDummy is in @INC23:37
+perlDreamersorry, isn't in @INC23:37
@scrottieyeah.  in t/23:38
+perlDreamerI don't see t/ in your @INC23:38
+perlDreamer/data/WebGUI/lib is in there twice23:38
@scrottiehttp://webgui.pastebin.com/FBezuiSQ23:38
@scrottieprobably ran my 'set the paths' script twice then.23:38
+perlDreamerit's not in there either :)23:38
@scrottiewell, shoudl the libs in t/ be used from production code, or am I mistaken that production code is trying to usethat?23:39
+perlDreamerJSONCollateralDummy is a module used for testing the JSONCollateral package23:40
@scrottieyup.  why would I be getting that error from hitting the web UI?23:40
+perlDreamermaybe it's in your config file?23:40
@scrottiehmm.  nothing matching /ummy in there.23:41
@scrottiehmm, it's probably showing some stale error log.23:42
@scrottieno.23:43
@scrottiestale data in the 'asset' table.  I must have wgd reset wrong.23:44
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@preactionthe "getEditFormUploadControl" in WebGUI::Asset::File and WebGUI::Asset::File::Image was just there because there was no way to get into getEditForm and edit the field, right?00:21
@preactionso we needed a sub to override to be able to reach down in there00:21
@preactionif so, it's gone.00:22
+perlDreamerI believe that's it00:23
+perlDreamerwhat do the revision log and commit comments say?00:23
@preactionit was during the whole Gallery dev, so not much00:24
+perlDreamerwe need to find the guy who wrote that, and shoot him00:24
@scrottiedc62dedf7617cc78b4a269603393bfa5045c0291; Remove bad POD from the Gallery.00:27
@scrottieoh, wait, conversation scrolled00:27
@scrottienevermind.00:27
@preactionway ahead of you, i already found the guy. just need someone to come shoot him00:28
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r746ba98 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Config->new in this branch needs the WebGUI root directory. - http://bit.ly/9KGKKu00:30
+perlDreamerI think we're close to back to almost kinda working00:30
+perlDreamersort of00:30
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie master * raada6e3 / t/Config.t : Fix a bad cleanup, and update a test for new paths. - http://bit.ly/bGKv4C00:30
@preactionyeah, then i get to go and break it all completely! yay!00:30
+perlDreamerthis is in master00:30
@preactionor the master merge could do it for me!00:30
@preactionoh, wait, what?00:30
+perlDreamertests were merged in00:30
+perlDreamersome awesome improvements from the 8 branch00:31
+perlDreamerbut they didn't merge cleanly00:32
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+snapcountI can't remember best practice, $form->get("foo") or should I be doing $form->process("foo", "text"), is it get for GET params and process for anything that's posted so each form element gets validated based on the form control type?00:46
@preactionget is a synonym for process, but you should use the second argument always (and maybe the third and fourth if necessary)00:47
+snapcountok, so $form->get("foo","text");  and grabbing a GET param just use the first arg?00:48
@preactionif it's not a WebGUI::Form::Control, you don't need the fieldType arg00:48
+snapcountok that makes sense00:49
+snapcountsorry, been a while.  thank you00:49
@preactionperlDreamer: would you kill me if I committed what I have done of the Admin Console / Edit Form stuff and tasked you with the Edit Form stuff?00:49
+perlDreamerlet's get the PSGI stuff more cleaned up, then I'll volunteer to help you with it00:50
@preactionokay00:50
+perlDreamerthat way I can't yell at you later for making me do it :)00:50
@preactioni mean, Moose broke everything, and this is gonna break everything too00:50
@preactionthere are a lot of shitty things going on in getEditForm / www_edit / etc...00:50
+perlDreamerHonestly,I think it'll take both us00:51
+perlDreamerall those custom form controls that need to be written00:51
+perlDreamerTimeTracker00:51
+perlDreamerCalendar00:51
+perlDreamerProject Manager00:51
+perlDreamerthey all do heavily custom stuff00:51
@preactionwe're not moving everything to FormBuilder yet, just getEditForm (because it's part of the Admin Console)00:51
@preactionthe other stuff can wait until we're releasing alphas (since WebGUI::HTMLForm works just fine and will continue to do so all through 8)00:52
@preactionbut getEditForm breaks backcompat and absolutely must be done before we can start releases00:52
+patspamevenin'01:04
+perlDreameryo, patspam01:04
+patspamhow far did you get with the mail footer stuff?01:05
+perlDreamerit's ready for testing01:09
+patspamlegend01:09
+perlDreamerright after I get the master branch back up on its feet01:09
+perlDreamersome of the things we talked about earlier are not really good ideas01:09
+perlDreamerin light of the MIME::Entity API01:09
+perlDreamerwhere you have to open a filehandle to write the new contents01:09
+patspamah ok - how does that change things in the end?01:10
+perlDreamerit'll only add the footer once01:10
+perlDreamerit adds the footer to the first attachment01:10
+perlDreamerand tries to do it with the right MIME type (text/html)01:11
+patspamso far so good..01:11
+perlDreamerI haven't added code to automatically append the footer01:11
+perlDreamernor the code to prevent it from being automatically added01:11
+perlDreamerthe part about appending to the last attachment isn't going to happen01:12
+perlDreamerhowever, I'm pretty sure the footer will render01:12
+perlDreamerthat's the part that needs testing01:12
+patspamok, let me know when you need assistance with the testing01:12
+patspamawesome job getting the psgi branch merged btw, you guys rock01:13
+perlDreamerthat was all Haarg01:13
+perlDreamernow all we have to do is fix bugs01:13
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+patspamyeah, really hope i can contribute more there soon01:14
+perlDreamerif you can write POD, that would help a lot01:14
+patspamfor sure01:14
+perlDreamerokay, that's done01:20
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rce6f70c / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : 01:20
CIA-60webgui: Revert "Temporary config file fix."01:20
CIA-60webgui: This reverts commit b74d21102c73514778624d095393a93a62eb3e6b. - http://bit.ly/9ObQX701:20
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6c3369d / (22 files in 15 dirs): 01:20
CIA-60webgui: Revert "use temp config file for testing"01:20
CIA-60webgui: This reverts commit 9b725c6d42d02334310c80f0ef61026162ce35ef. - http://bit.ly/8WY0GI01:20
+perlDreamerI had to pull all the temporary config file stuff out01:20
+perlDreamereven though it made testing easier01:21
+perlDreamerthe alternative was to go and change the whole core to use the relative path code, and it just didn't seem right01:21
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HaargperlDreamer, it would have been possible to fix the temporary config stuff without messing with WebGUI::Config, but i don't necessarily disagree with backing it out.  the idea was to add a way for duplicate to create a session with a new id (or a specific id) instead of using the same one as the session, then adjusting duplicate to work with the relative paths.  then adjust places that currently create new sessions with ->open 03:19
Haargto use duplicate instead.03:19
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+perlDreamerHaarg, I spent four hours on it.  It was either rev the entire core to use the a new API, or alter the Session->open calls, or revert and fix a few tests.03:52
Haargyeah.  it wouldn't be too hard to convert all the session->open calls, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.03:53
Haargthe main reason i wanted to backport it was to make the tests easier to merge.  probably better to just leave it to WebGUI8 though.03:54
+perlDreameranother thing I was worried about was non-core tests that would all break03:56
+perlDreamerI know the Knowmad people do lots of testing, and SDH03:57
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9469941 / (3 files in 3 dirs): END block cleanup. - http://bit.ly/aHNz8704:25
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Haargpreaction, can you set up the webgui 8 bug tracker to have a prefix or different mailing address so the mails can be filtered?04:48
+perlDreamertest post coming your way, Haarg05:26
Haargdid you add a prefix?05:28
+perlDreameryes, but I didn't commit it05:28
+perlDreamersorry05:28
Haargneeds some brackets05:28
Haargsubject: WebGUI 8WebGUI::Upgrade05:29
+perlDreamerokay05:29
+perlDreameranother post on its way05:29
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CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re878258 / (8 files in 6 dirs): END block cleanup. - http://bit.ly/a0atq105:39
CIA-60webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r71d4880 / (7 files in 4 dirs): Another batch of test cleaning. - http://bit.ly/aqy9wL05:48
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CIA-57webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r5454fd1 / t/Search/Index.t : fix search indexer test (+14 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/bDUbMT15:34
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SDuensinGreetings.16:16
Haargmorning16:17
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CIA-57webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r280d528 / t/Macro/FormParam.t : 17:05
CIA-57webgui: Revert "fix test"17:05
CIA-57webgui: This reverts commit fab0e078f5eaa91326e4034b955c3140a28501dc. - http://bit.ly/bsFaHY17:05
CIA-57webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * rad19589 / t/Macro/FormParam.t : fix Macro/FormParam test properly this time - http://bit.ly/cgg85D17:05
CIA-57webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r3be3150 / (lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm t/Storage.t): fix file uploading and storage test - http://bit.ly/b2IQ3b17:05
CIA-57webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * rdc4e481 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : test leak detection for workflow instances - http://bit.ly/dyNM8q17:05
Haargpatspam, not sure how much time you have but i'm tracking test progress on the site now http://www.webgui.org/community/webgui-8/issues/1163117:06
+patspamnice one17:08
Haarggoing pretty well so far.  down to 13 failing tests.17:08
+patspamyeah that's amazing17:08
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@preactionPSGI shoves the relevant stuff into %ENV correct?18:43
@preactionso I can get the sitename or the requested url?18:43
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+perlDreamermorning, folks18:46
+perlDreamerare any of you unfortunate enough to have to use Outlook as a mail client?18:46
Haargmorning perlDreamer18:49
+perlDreamermorning, Haarg18:50
+perlDreamerwhat's shakin' in MadCity?18:50
Haargpreaction, PSGI doesn't touch %ENV18:50
@preactiondamnation18:50
@preactionthen maybe WebGUI::GUID won't work18:50
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+perlDreamerwhat's WebGUI::GUID?18:51
* perlDreamer looks for some logs18:51
Haargpreaction, any particular reason you can't take stuff out of session/request/etc ?18:51
Haargalso perlDreamer we should be at 13 failing tests in WebGUI818:52
+perlDreamernice work!18:52
@preactioni suppose we could have WebGUI::GUID->seed( $session_stuff )18:52
@preactiondoes Plack trap warn and put it into the logger?18:53
@preactionit'd be nice to be able to use "warn()"18:53
Haargit doesn't18:54
@preactionbut we could18:55
Haargyes18:58
@preactionshould a 404 show up in Error level? i say yes18:58
@preactionanything that would appear in Apache's error log should be our ERROR level18:59
@preactioni'd also later like the server to be able to read the error log, so content managers can say "Hay, my asset's gone. Oh, looks like it doesn't exist, says the error log."19:00
@preactionor "hey! my RSS feed's gone, why? why? WHYYYYY?"19:00
+perlDreamerbecause I moved it!19:01
Haargis it possible to set the webgui 8 help desk to have a different email address?19:02
@preactionyes, i'll create an email responder for it19:02
Haargcool19:02
Haargunfortunately i can't filter on that prefix in gmail19:02
@preactionlame19:03
Haargit ignores symbols so i get everything with webgui 8 instead of just that list19:03
+perlDreamerwhat prefix do you want, Haarg?19:03
Haargthere isn't really a good one that could be set19:04
Haargan email responder will work though19:04
@preactiondone. everything coming out from now on will be from webgui8@plainblack.com19:07
Haargthe rest of the lists on webgui.org have webgui.org emails19:07
@preactiontoo late. it doesn't matter really19:08
+perlDreamerHaarg, what do you think about doing a merge from master to 8, and then cherry picking from here on out?19:09
@preactionokay, changed to webgui8@webgui.org19:09
Haargi'd kind of prefer to stick with merges, but i don't know.  repeated merges would be about the same difficulty, just possibly make the history look a little messier.19:10
Haargbut it would also kind of be more correct.19:10
HaargperlDreamer, any thoughts on the 'other' stuff listed here? http://www.webgui.org/community/webgui-8/issues/1163119:11
@preactionwe're going to be merging 8 with 7 until 7 dies, which will probably be 3 years from now when 9 is released19:11
Haargi suppose we should file a bug on JavaScript::Minify::XS, although i fixed the code to prevent the problem19:11
+perlDreamerre AssetHelpers, they were passing before the merge19:11
Haargi haven't looked that them much19:12
+perlDreamerI think we should start opening separate tickets for each issue19:13
+perlDreamerto make them easier to track19:13
Haargwell, a lot of the test failures are related still19:13
+perlDreameryeah19:13
Haargwhich is why i stuck them together for now19:13
Haargand a number of them haven't been fully investigated19:14
Haargfeel free to separate out stuff we know are separate issues though19:14
+perlDreamerokay19:15
+perlDreamerAlso, it lets us assign individual issues to people who are responsible19:15
+perlDreamerlike the missing POD19:15
@preactiondon't bother, just put an issue in the tracker and let someone get to it19:16
+perlDreamerwe should also all (and I'm really talking to me, Dr. CodeOp and master hypocrite) commit to running the suite before pusing19:16
@preactionthose responsible probably don't even EXIST anymore19:16
+perlDreamerpreaction, the only code missing POD is less than 12 weeks old19:16
+perlDreamerI POD'ed everything in the core19:17
@preactionmy FormBuilder stuff, and i'll get to it19:17
Haargformbuilder + psgi19:17
Haargthoughts on renaming run_asset.t and adding WebGUI::Test->cleanup to a Test::Class shutdown method?19:19
+perlDreamerHaarg, don't they clean up when the objects go out of scope at the end of each testing sub?19:20
Haargwhat objects?19:21
+perlDreamerAssets, users, groups, versionTags19:21
Haargno19:21
Haargwhy would they?19:21
+perlDreamerat one point, I had a problem with cleanup happening when objects are destroyed.  Maybe that's all been moved to only running in the END block, though19:22
Haargif they ever do get cleaned up when destroyed there is something going very wrong19:22
+perlDreamerit was probably something that I did wrong19:23
+perlDreameralthough, the cleanup code is now complex enough that it could use some docs, comments, and tests19:23
+perlDreamerin any case, I have no objections to cleanup happening in shutdown19:23
Haargok19:24
+perlDreamerand the run_asset.t name is just the convention from Ovid's Test::Class tutorial19:24
@preactionfucking shortcuts. does anyone use "shortcut by criteria", or can we split that feature off into something better?19:24
Haargi'm sure someone does19:24
+perlDreameryeah, there have been bugs posted against it19:24
+perlDreamerfrom what I'm seeing, people what a Janus Asset19:25
+perlDreamerwhich is a Shortcut which intercepts ALL calls to the asset it mirrors, and have overrides work19:25
Haargrun_asset.t was generating lots of deep recursion warnings in fixUrl because it would leave hundreds of assets around with the same urls until cleanup19:25
Haargi fixed fixUrl to use a goto to optimize the recursion, but it still seems like cleaning up sooner would be a good idea19:26
+perlDreamerit didn't do that in the original WebGUI819:26
+perlDreamerthat sounds more like a problem with the PSGI stuff19:27
Haargi don't know how it could be19:27
Haargunless the test assets are supposed to have different urls but it isn't happening for some reason19:28
+perlDreamerthe tests are passing, just generating deep recursion warnings?19:31
Haargyes19:31
+perlDreamerthat's probably why I didn't see it19:32
Haargyeah, the warnings are there in the pre-psgi code as well19:32
@preactionand this is what WebGUI 9 needs to do: Reduce the "feature set", remove the juryrigged features and let them be reinvented19:33
Haarghaving all the features in core is problematic19:33
Haargbecause then they end up relying on each other19:33
Haargand often in bad ways19:33
Haargwhich leads to the jury rigging stuff19:34
+perlDreamerI totally agree, but that interdependence is also one of our strengths over the PHP CMS'es19:34
+perlDreamerall our stuff comes together, works together19:34
+perlDreamerit just needs to be designed better19:34
+perlDreamerless jury rigging19:34
Haargit's possible to have things work together without having them interdependant19:34
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+perlDreamersure, obeying API's, not breaking object encapsulation19:35
@preactionfor example: Shortcut is hooked into Metadata and Dashboard. inextricably19:36
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Haargwhile less important, it's also bugging me how much various tests break the api19:36
@preactionDashboard is the real bitch one19:36
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@scrottieyarr!19:36
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfc1e356 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/HTMLArea.pm): Fix a bug in the HTMLArea, introduced with the lineageIterator changes. Fixes bug #11629. - http://bit.ly/cwVQkk19:37
+perlDreamerHaarg, let's fix them.  What did I do to break them?19:37
Haargstuff peeking into $session->{_*} all over the place19:38
Haargalso, a bunch of the stuff i changed to fix things semi-rely on the internals of Plack::Request19:39
+perlDreamerI know what you mean, Haarg.  I eventually started writing real accessors for some of those19:40
+perlDreamerbut I didn't do it everywhere I should have19:40
Haarghave you thought any more about the interceptLogging change i proposed?19:42
Haargany more thoughts19:42
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+perlDreamerbopbop: TinyMCE Insert WebGUI Image is fixed, and installed tonight19:43
+perlDreamerI can hotpatch sooner if you need it19:43
@bopbopthank you thank you 19:44
@bopbopnah, tonight is fine19:44
+perlDreamerHaarg, please just put a note in the POD so I remember how to use it.  Callbacks are cool.19:44
Haargok19:45
Haargsince i want to move WebGUI::Test into lib, i'm trying to make sure its API makes sense where possible19:46
Haargpreaction, i don't know if you saw the discussion the other day, but webgui generated GUIDs will always end with one of AQgw.  which means programmer generated GUIDs are 'invalid'.19:47
@preactionis this good?19:47
Haargit's only really a problem when you try to convert them into hex.19:47
Haargthe code has been fixed to deal with that part of the problem.19:48
Haargi don't know if it is good or bad of if we care.19:48
+perlDreamerwe should recommend that people stop generating them by hand19:51
+perlDreamerwgd guid will make a valid one19:51
+perlDreamerShould an Admin be able to archive posts immediately, or only the original posters?19:58
@preaction"archive" was once used as "close" for the CS-helpdesk20:04
@preactionwhat if we had a JSON abstract form control? then we can subclass to create the Template Attachments form control, the Product Variants form control, etc...20:05
+perlDreamerThere's no interaction with Product Variants20:07
+perlDreamerthere's a separate edit screen for that20:07
@preactionFeeds then, like cal feeds or (hopefully in the future) syndicated content feeds20:08
@preactionand i get to rewrite template attachments. yay20:08
@preactionstupid HTMLForm->raw20:08
@preactionmight as well rewrite it in master then...20:08
+perlDreamerno20:09
+perlDreamerno no no20:09
@preactionyou don't even know what i'm doing yet!20:10
+perlDreameryou said "rewrite" and "master"20:10
@preactionyes, changing template attachments into a JSON collateral field20:10
+perlDreamerbut it works now20:10
@preactiondon't make me start rewriting everything, i'll do it20:10
+perlDreamerstep away from the keyboard, preaction20:11
@preactionyes, poorly. performs poorly (three db calls per template, instead of zero it could be)20:11
+perlDreamerdon't make me come out there on a train for an intervention20:11
Haargif by 'works' you mean 'causes hundreds of db calls per page view'20:11
@preactionplus the json collateral gets us versioning20:11
+perlDreamerworks = functions correctly, even if it's dog slow20:11
@preactionplus we need a JSON field type of some kind for the eventuality of moving everything to FormBuilder20:12
@preactionor other kinds of complex field types20:12
+perlDreamerI agree, but only for 820:13
@preactionwhy? we can improve 7.9 performance20:13
@scrottiewoof.20:13
+perlDreamer7.9 needs to start getting really stable20:13
@preactionwe've got three months yet20:14
Haargperformance bugs are still bugs20:14
* perlDreamer is going to hold you to writing tests, then20:15
@scrottieall programs contain at least one bug; all programs can be reduced by at least one instruction.  therefore, it logically follows that all programs can be reduced to one instruction that doesn't work.20:15
@preactionlol20:15
Haarghttps://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=58416 bug filed20:15
+perlDreamerHaarg, that's different from what I saw.  The test passes in master, but dies in 820:17
+perlDreamerdoes it work that way for you?20:17
+perlDreamerit's like Moose, or CHI, or something is changing the way it works.20:18
Haargyes, due to a separate problem20:18
Haargthe behavior of Snippet changed20:19
Haargso the test was trying to minify different text in 7 vs 820:19
Haargi fixed that bug so it doesn't crash anymore20:19
Haargbut that's just because we avoid the behavior of JavaScript::Minifier::XS that causes the crash20:20
+perlDreamerI see20:20
Haargperl -MJavaScript::Minifier::XS=minify -le'print minify "not javascript"'20:20
Haargit might be worth checking on the behavior change in snippet20:21
Haarg->view is returning a cached value in 820:22
Haargin the case of that test at least20:22
Haargand apparently i can't edit bugs i created20:24
+perlDreamerluvin' on that helpdesk20:24
* scrottie reads docs...20:26
+perlDreamerfix the helpdesk, scrottie!20:28
@scrottieyeah.20:29
@scrottieit's on the agenda.20:29
@scrottieit keeps getting pushed back, but it's on the agenda.20:29
CIA-57webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r73319bf / (2 files): fix copy tests being hard coded based on default home page content - http://bit.ly/9tN1yu20:42
Haargdown to 11 test failures20:42
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+perlDreamerpreaction, I tracked down martien's archived CS bug.  Please read http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11622, think about our conversation yesterday about whether or not archived content should be in contributions, and let me know.20:55
+perlDreamerthere's enough there to fix a bug in and of itself20:55
+perlDreamerfor now, I'll fix the relative URLs20:55
@scrottieit seems like no matter what I'm working on, you're working on the same thing.20:56
@scrottieat least approximately.20:56
+perlDreamerscrottie, I just go down the bug list20:57
+perlDreamerscrottie, for toe protection, what are you working on?21:00
@scrottieI think I pasted the requirements at you Friday and you commented that it should be easy and educational... adding a sort option to archived stories.21:01
+perlDreameroh yeah21:01
+perlDreamernot archived stories21:01
+perlDreamerStoryArchive21:01
@scrottieright.21:01
+perlDreamerit's another bad choice of name, due to dual usage21:01
@scrottieoh.21:01
+perlDreamerI tried to get the spec changed to StoryManager21:01
+perlDreamerbut the archive is a repository in this case21:01
+perlDreamerrather than referring to their status21:01
@scrottie"Manager" is terribly non-descriptive.  That's the adjective counterpart to the noun "data".21:02
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r541f262 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Account/Contributions.pm): 21:06
CIA-57webgui: There's no need to special case Posts in Account/Contributions. The view method21:06
CIA-57webgui: referes you to the Thread, and if a user has multiple posts in a thread, it21:06
CIA-57webgui: links to the Thread multiple times. Also, this fixes bug #11622. -21:06
CIA-57webgui: http://bit.ly/adSCpE21:06
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ref419c8 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Account/Contributions.pm): 21:09
CIA-57webgui: There's no need to special case Posts in Account/Contributions. The view method21:09
CIA-57webgui: referes you to the Thread, and if a user has multiple posts in a thread, it21:09
CIA-57webgui: links to the Thread multiple times. Also, this fixes bug #11622. -21:09
CIA-57webgui: http://bit.ly/bUK9Lc21:09
+perlDreamerpatspam, you ever heard of a rig for towing a bicycle (or 2) with another bicycle?21:10
+patspamheh no, sounds like fun though21:10
+perlDreamerwith nice weather, it would be a fun way to take kids to school, and then bring their bikes back.21:11
+perlDreamerthere's no covered parking at the school21:11
@preactionperlDreamer: so wait, martien was completely wrong about the cause?21:11
+perlDreameryes, and no21:12
+perlDreamerthe thread was archived21:12
+perlDreamerand Bernd's contribution was the post, not the thread21:12
+perlDreamerthe URL was wrong21:12
@preactionahhhh21:12
+perlDreamerso it was basically completely "mess"ed up21:12
@preactionthe Post should redirect the user to the thread with a fragment (#assetId)21:13
+perlDreamerAll by itself, it will21:13
+perlDreamerthe extra code for special casing the Post was wrong21:13
@preactionso then it's fixed?21:15
+perlDreameryes21:15
+perlDreamerwith one caveat21:15
+perlDreameryesterday, when we talked, you thought that Contributions should show ALL contributions, regardless of archived-ness21:16
+perlDreamerthat isn't the cause of the bug21:16
+perlDreamerbut I was wondering if that should stand, in any case?21:16
@preactionyes21:19
+perlDreamerthat's about a 12-character fix21:21
+perlDreamerI'll add it to the list21:21
+perlDreamerp.s. please tell Rory to stop staring at me!21:22
@preactioni'm officially sick of "sequenceNumber". it should be called "rank".21:22
@khenntoo much to type?21:23
@preactionand semantically null. "rank" has an easy meaning21:23
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@preaction"what next", should go away, right?22:01
@preactionFolder, for example: "What next: View or View Parent" who the fuck cares?22:02
+perlDreamerIt's handy in the DataForm, for adding another field, or not22:02
+perlDreameror in the Product, for variants22:03
+perlDreamerit saves a click on repetitive processes22:03
+perlDreamerbut that's not in the Edit form22:03
+perlDreamerwe'll have to handle it eventually, though22:03
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+perlDreamerI keep wanting things in Test::Sweet, but I don't want to give up prove to use it.22:05
@preactionwhy is useMobileStyle an option? why don't we just enable it? it doesn't mean people have to use it22:10
@preactionand with apple doing their bullshit, they want a specific type of mobile web served to their stuff22:11
+perlDreamerif it's not an option, and we set it a default WebGUI style (that isn't mobile friendly), then we'd be serving up broken websites?22:14
@scrottieafk for lunch which amounts to an errand.22:14
+perlDreamererrands are low calorie22:15
@preactionwhy would we serve up broken websites? iphone can consume any website, as most phones can22:15
+perlDreamerso why have a mobile style at all?22:16
+perlDreameris it just optimization?22:16
@scrottiethat's one thing I love about the Toughbook keyboards... crumb proof.22:16
@scrottieeven the non-rubber ones... you can pop the keycaps off, dump the crumbs out, stick 'em right back on.22:16
@preactionit's optimization. you can optimize things for the smaller screen22:17
@preactionremove huge banners, change the navigation, remove dropdowns22:17
@preactioni mean, all things you should probably do for the big screen, but that's easier to push through management for the small screen22:17
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r169fa47 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Insert mail footers into the first attachment of the email, trying to match its type (text/html). Convert email messages with only 1 part to singlepart, instead of multipart. Fixes bug #11560. - http://bit.ly/cUN3jM22:27
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * rc821e20 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Insert mail footers into the first attachment of the email, trying to match its type (text/html). Convert email messages with only 1 part to singlepart, instead of multipart. Fixes bug #11560. - http://bit.ly/9ogYi422:28
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* frodwith quietly mentions that the new helpdesk frontend is very nearly finished and then sprints away.23:21
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@preactionhas anyone made custom graphing plugins? is that a major plugin point?23:26
@preactionbecause it's gotta change with the new form api23:26
@preactionthe alternative is using a new graph api23:27
xdangerwasn't there something about auth in the original roadmap for webgui8?23:44
@preactionyes23:44
xdangeris there still?23:45
@preactionno23:45
@preactionhttp://webgui.org/823:45
xdangeryou talked something about multible auth methods for 7.9?23:46
@preactioni'm going to try23:46
xdangerI'm just looking into facebook connect ant that kind of stuff23:46
@preactionbut since it'll most likely end up being my free time, it's going to be iffy23:46
@preactionif you want to fund it, we can find someone who has time. otherwise it's volunteers23:47
xdangerrpxnow (that the openid auth plugin supports) is quite interesting23:47
@preactionand yes, i want FB connect and I want OpenID23:47
xdangerIf you have plans / ideas for it and someone is willing to do a litle mentoring I could give it a try?23:48
xdangerI really need to have multiple registerations, since not everyone is using openid or facebook, and I also have an old site that I want to add other options to23:49
@preactioni can spend tomorrow and come up with a more specific plan (right now all I have is "add stuff to Auth->displayLogin and let authType= be a param for Operation::Auth)23:50
@preactionand then we'll all be here to answer questions23:50
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xdangerI'm trying to cut back on night time work, but meybe just a little bit =) (It's midnight in here soon)23:53
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+perlDreamerfrodwith, you can run, but you can't hide...23:58
@frodwithsure I can23:59
@frodwithI can hide like a champion23:59
+perlDreamerchampions don't hide23:59
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@frodwithchampion hiders do00:00
+perlDreamergood point00:00
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r28f2adc / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Account/Contributions.pm): Archived content should be shown in the Account/Contributions screen. Fixes bug #11643. - http://bit.ly/cNlJ8700:11
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf7e0c9f / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Account/Contributions.pm): Archived content should be shown in the Account/Contributions screen. Fixes bug #11643. - http://bit.ly/dtap6T00:12
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+perlDreamerpreaction: re last post gets archived bug, we only want to clear the lastPost* information, right?00:24
+perlDreameris it worth going through the CS to see what the next to last post would be, since it was promoted to last post?00:24
@preactionyes, it is00:25
@preactionit would be what the user expected00:25
* perlDreamer ships out his getLineage, and starts clausing00:28
+perlDreamerand of course, we need to do the same thing with unarchive00:41
+perlDreamerthis is quickly growing00:41
@preactionout of fairness to everyone here, i'm gonna let you all keep fixing PSGI bugs before I break everything again00:53
@preactionand i suppose I can work on 100% FormBuilder coverage while i'm at it00:53
+perlDreamerstarting pre-release activities00:58
+perlDreamerthat's very kind of you, preaction00:58
+perlDreameralthough, at the rate Haarg is going, it may not be much longer til all the bugs are fixed00:58
+perlDreamerand we need to write new tests to find new bugs00:58
+perlDreamerHaarg: I booby-trapped the InOutBoard test to try and find the intermittent failure in there.01:12
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1ea2f3e / t/Asset/Wobject/InOutBoard.t : Add tracking to the InOutBoard test to try and find out why it fails intermittently. - http://bit.ly/bIuAwk01:14
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r17ce357 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.9.7 release. - http://bit.ly/bDaALj01:16
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+perlDreamerword to the wise.01:57
+perlDreamerWhen SourceForge says a feature is in beta01:57
+perlDreamerit means it's complete waste of your time and not to use it01:57
Haargdoesn't that apply to the rest of the features too?01:58
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+perlDreamerwell, not to bash SF.  Regular features are only as wasteful as facebook02:01
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9bc7208 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.9.8 development - http://bit.ly/d5ttOi02:02
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+perlDreamerwow, that didn't take long to get translated02:27
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CIA-57WebGUI: translation * r12517 /translations/German/German/ (4 files): Updating German on translation server02:30
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfecc2be / (11 files in 5 dirs): Yet more END block cleanups. - http://bit.ly/aNFKGN02:40
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+perlDreamerlater, all02:49
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0b2d78e / (4 files in 3 dirs): More END block cleanups, 7 to go. - http://bit.ly/dudbIG02:50
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@scrottieI guess I should have tried to make tests in master pass before starting to muck with the thing.04:20
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SynQnaturally I didn't find the time this weekend to work on the WRE11:17
SynQI should have known in advance11:17
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+bartjolmmm, maybe we can organise a hackathon at Rory's wedding11:43
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+bartjolmmm, is there a list available of gotcha's for all versions?13:48
CIA-57WebGUI: translation * r12518 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (4 files): Updating Dutch on translation server13:59
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SDuensinMorning.16:27
+bartjolhowdy16:28
+bartjolmmm, cron bug, applied patch, still no mails going out16:37
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+bartjolcool, it seems microsoft now has to invest in IE commercials17:59
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+perlDreamermorning, you great hordes of WebGUI folk!18:12
@preactionmorning!18:12
+bartjolam I a horde, by myself18:14
Haargmorning18:14
+bartjolgee18:14
+bartjolbut, morning18:14
+perlDreamerbartjol, you're not a horde, you're the great part18:14
+bartjolah18:14
+bartjolmmm, but I have something similar to bug 11444, mail not going out18:15
+bartjolapplied the patch, restarted services, still not going, I am missing some conf issue prolly18:17
+perlDreamerdo you subscribe to the advisories, bartjol?18:17
+perlDreamerthere was a bug with the patch18:18
+perlDreamerthat could delete the email workflow18:18
HaargperlDreamer, do you see any problem with this change?  http://github.com/plainblack/webgui/commit/d5744acd5b2ac1528ff718a5d904fbf9764875e318:18
+perlDreamerfixes for that were just released yesterday18:18
+bartjolmmm, I don't think I'm subscribed to that one18:19
+bartjolit is an old version 7.7.2118:19
+perlDreamerHaarg, what if they don't want macros processed in the Snippet?18:19
+perlDreamerI think we have to use view18:19
+perlDreamerbut the test should be smarter and clear the cache18:19
+perlDreamerif I remember the problem you mentioned yesterday^18:20
Haargif they don't want macros processed they are out of luck because they always are18:20
+perlDreamerwhat if they want the snippet evaluated as a template?18:21
Haargyeah, that could be an issue18:21
Haargreally we should always have separate methods for caching stuff18:21
+perlDreamerHaarg, what's the order of the day for WebGUI8?  Fixing tests?18:23
Haargatm i'm working on removing WebGUI::Utility18:23
+perlDreamerYou mentioned today^ that there were only 13 failing tests, so I'm guessing you fixed something.18:24
+perlDreamermaybe I should start working on leaks18:24
Haarg11 failing tests18:24
Haargthe assethelper tests relied on the content of the front page, which wgd reset messes with18:24
+perlDreamerI'll have a look at Macro/UsersOnline18:26
Haargthe macro is entirely broken18:26
Haargneeds a rewrite18:26
+perlDreamerit's not just the paragraph at line 173?18:28
Haargoh hey more sql injection18:29
@preactionawesome!18:30
Haargi should have specified, that is the broken section due to psgi.  the rest is broken just because it is horrible.18:30
Haargnot dangerous sql injection at least18:30
Haargpreaction, when you get some time, some feedback on http://www.webgui.org/community/webgui-8/issues/11632 would be nice18:33
@preactionbut Plack::Builder doesn't have a configuration file18:34
Haargno18:34
Haargi don't quite follow18:34
@preactionso though we would be reimplementing some of it, we'd be adding features18:34
Haargyes18:34
@preactioneither that, or make WebGUI::Middleware::ContentHandler (which just sounds stupid really)18:35
+perlDreameraw, I just fixed that module.  Not you're going to delete it?18:35
+perlDreamerThat's like Lucy scooping out the guts of the pumpkin!18:36
@preactionwe can keep it. but we can also change our existing content handlers into real middleware18:36
* perlDreamer fails at Schultzian humor18:36
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Haargso you think adding a config section for middleware components to add is ok?18:40
Haargunfortunately it will probably be tricky to make it as flexible as Plack::Builder, if we even want to do that18:42
+perlDreamerUsersOnline.pm is fixed18:42
Haargfix the sql injection problems too?18:42
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r7057e92 / lib/WebGUI/Macro/UsersOnline.pm : Use the Plack::Request object to get the server hostname. - http://bit.ly/adNRWm18:43
+perlDreamerno, only the functional one18:43
@preactioncan't we use Plack::Builder after reading the config file?18:44
+perlDreamerpreaction, did you audit kimd's other commits for string interpretation for SQL queries?18:44
@preactionno18:45
Haargwe can use Plack::Builder as well as the config file, but having the config file control Plack::Builder wouldn't make any sense really18:45
+perlDreamerit'll be awesome when we can remove Session/Request.pm altogether18:46
+perlDreamerwhat's the benefit of "use parent" instead of "use base"?18:46
Haargless magi18:46
Haargc18:46
Haargand no fields18:47
Haargalthough it is just a warning, the t/Asset/Wobject/Calendar.t test definitely needs to be looked at18:48
@preactioneh. Content handlers should be conditional middleware and url handlers should be URLMap plack apps. agree?18:48
+perlDreamerno18:48
Haarga profile is being returned as '0' instead of 018:49
Haargwhich sounds like something broken in User.pm18:49
+perlDreamerurl handlers should work exactly like content handlers, and be able to redispatch18:49
@preactionokay, so url handlers go away then. there are only "content handlers" which are conditional middleware18:49
+perlDreamerThat's a great idea!18:50
@preactionhow much of a migration from url/content handler to WebGUI::Middleware will it be?18:53
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Haargpretty simple for most of them18:54
+perlDreamerstring interpretation fixed18:56
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r6d4d51c / lib/WebGUI/Macro/UsersOnline.pm : Use placeholder parameters to prevent string interpolation in SQL queries. - http://bit.ly/czfDxe18:56
+perlDreamerin all branches18:56
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8b04f4e / lib/WebGUI/Macro/UsersOnline.pm : Use placeholder parameters to prevent string interpolation in SQL queries. - http://bit.ly/9Ojskz18:56
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r579a005 / lib/WebGUI/Macro/UsersOnline.pm : Use placeholder parameters to prevent string interpolation in SQL queries. - http://bit.ly/dzMXP818:56
+perlDreamerlooking at Calendar.t next18:57
Haargyaaaay18:58
Haargfixing stuff in my no-utility branch18:59
+perlDreamergo Haarg, go!18:59
Haarghad to change something in userlist.pm18:59
Haargthought, i should look for more sql injection18:59
Haarg10 seconds later...18:59
Haarg    .' like "%'.$form->process('search').'%"'} @profileFields).")"; 18:59
Haargrepeat 10 times18:59
Haargalmost every line of that module is has an sql injection vulnerability19:02
@preaction... wow...19:02
+perlDreamerHaarg, I'm over sensitive to exaggeration due to the presence of an 11-year old in the house19:04
+perlDreamers/line/query/19:04
+perlDreamerThe 9-year old is way over the top.19:05
+perlDreamerHe does something that he knew merits a punishment, like, timeout, extra chores, etc.19:05
+perlDreamerbut when asked if he know what's going to happen, he says, "You're going to kill me."19:05
+perlDreamerI keep telling him, if I kill him, I have to wash dishes and clean the cat litter box myself19:06
+perlDreamerbut he doesn't listen19:06
+perlDreamercrap, that's two more core bugs19:07
+perlDreamerthe dataDefault for firstDayOfWeek should be 0, not '0'19:08
+perlDreamerand apparently list types don't like 0 as a valid value19:08
* perlDreamer goes to the gym19:09
Haargbut that value is supposed to be evaled19:09
+perlDreamerI know, but if I change the dataDefault for firstDayOfWeek to be 1, and the tests fail19:10
+perlDreamerso something isn't happening correctly, somewhere19:10
+perlDreamerchanging the dataDefault from '0' to 0 makes the warning go away, too19:10
+perlDreamerVisitor's fDOW is NULL19:11
+perlDreamerlots of problems19:11
Haargthat's kind of what i was thinking.  which means user.pm isn't processing defaults correctly.19:11
Haargif it's null won't it use the default value?19:11
CIA-57webgui: Graham Knop no-utility * r00bd89c / (101 files in 29 dirs): remove WebGUI::Utility (+599 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/deGv0x19:19
+perlDreamerthat very well may be the problem20:19
+perlDreamerIs the PSGI module required to use Plack?20:23
+perlDreamerwhy can't we take userProfile and make it a big JSON hash attached to the user table?20:25
+perlDreamerHaarg, the problem is Visitor's NULL firstDayOfWeek field20:26
+perlDreamerthat's much more easily fixable20:26
@preactionperlDreamer: we can't do that because I hate you and JSON hates you20:27
+perlDreamerpreaction, you have now truly achieved rizen-esque status20:28
+perlDreamerhe would always say that when he know I was inarguably right20:28
+perlDreamerI'll fold that into 7.9.820:28
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rcca5dae / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the dataDefault for firstDayOfWeek. Fixes bug #11651 - http://bit.ly/a9gfFm21:02
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r19270a6 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the dataDefault for firstDayOfWeek. Fixes bug #11651 - http://bit.ly/d5eeKH21:03
+perlDreamerHaarg, the calendar bug will be fixed with the next merge.21:04
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r9b91dd5 / lib/WebGUI/Session/Http.pm : Remove mention of getCookies, since it's supposed to use Session::Request now. - http://bit.ly/cAkt5a21:07
+perlDreamerinstead of using PseudoRequest, should we alter the current Plack::Request object?21:08
+perlDreamerthat seems way easier21:08
+perlDreamerthis is so awesome21:32
+perlDreamerdirect access to the HTTP::Request and HTTP::Response objects21:33
+perlDreamerso much less mocking testing code21:33
+perlDreamerall we need is a fresh session for each batch of HTTP tests in Session/Http.t21:35
+perlDreamerwell, I was wrong.  It's not HTTP::Request and ::Response, it's the Plack versions of them22:05
+perlDreamerand Plack::Response does not have a status line method22:06
+perlDreamerwhich means we can't send one22:06
+perlDreamerpreaction, Haarg, thoughts on that last?22:16
* perlDreamer will backlog after lunch22:16
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+perlDreamerpatspam, Plack is quite nice23:02
+patspam:)23:02
+patspamit's very liberating23:02
+patspamso simple you wonder why it didn't happen 5+ years ago23:04
+perlDreamerit may have changed the whole landscape23:04
+perlDreamerI've been working on updating Session/Http.t23:05
+perlDreamerand it's so easy to make a new session, call stuff in Session/Http, and then check Session/Response for what happened23:05
+patspamyeah!23:05
+perlDreamerdo you think the spec is flexible at this point, or pretty set?23:05
+patspampretty set23:06
+patspameveryone's using it now23:06
+perlDreamerthere's no status line component in PSGI23:06
+patspamwhat do you mean?23:06
+perlDreamersomething analogous to $session->http->setStatusDescription23:06
+perlDreamerthe ability to send a text description along with the HTTP status code23:07
+patspamis the numeric code ever not enough?23:07
+perlDreamerfor several of the 40x error codes, WebGUI sends along extra info23:08
+patspamfor who?23:09
+perlDreamerI don't know, anyone who would check the page properties?23:09
+patspamheh23:09
+patspamwe can still set the page body to whatever we like23:10
+patspambtw have you seen Plack::Middleware::HTTPExceptions?23:10
+perlDreamerNo, not yet23:10
+patspamlets you do: HTTP::Exception::500->throw;23:10
+patspamand it automatically turns that into a 500 http server error response23:11
+patspamand you can map other unknown exception types to whatever type of response you like23:11
+patspamyou'd want to turn that on for production, and in development use the StackTrace middleware instead which shows you the line of code where the exception came from23:12
+patspambest of both worlds23:12
+patspamone thing that struck me about PseudoRequest is that it created the request object before the test code had generated a "request"23:13
+patspamas in, you didn't know what URL had been requested yet23:13
+perlDreamerfor the most part, it didn't really need it23:13
+perlDreamersince Session/Url would fall back on other methods if one couldn't be found23:13
+patspamyeah ok23:13
+patspamand getPage would create a new request object23:14
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+perlDreamer... still neck deep in Session/Http.t, back in 20 after picking up the kids.00:10
+perlDreamernot00:11
+perlDreamerwife is picking up kids00:11
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+patspamkathy++00:25
+perlDreamerthis is almost as fun as shooting bugs in a barrel!00:27
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@scrottiewow, wgd has fantastic documentation.  how did I miss all of this?  too cynical to believe such a thing could exist.02:52
@scrottiea usage screen is a lot to ask for.02:52
@scrottienext time, tell me to RTFM.02:53
+perlDreamerRTFM, scrottie!03:14
+perlDreamerHaarg is da bomb03:16
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r433700b / lib/WebGUI/Session/Http.pm : Fix a typo with headers instead of header. - http://bit.ly/bI5m5L03:38
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * ra07bf9b / (t/Session/Http.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): Update Session/Http for Plack. - http://bit.ly/boZRgi03:38
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CIA-57webgui: Graham Knop psgi-mech * r48f808a / t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/edit.t : new mechanize class - http://bit.ly/9kXmgE10:25
CIA-57webgui: Graham Knop psgi-mech * rcdf1c87 / (2 files in 2 dirs): new mechanize class (+599 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/bfOKxC10:53
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SDuensinHello.16:44
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Haargmorning perlDreamer18:00
+perlDreamerhey, Haarg18:00
* perlDreamer is having some test cleanup issues via cleanupGuard18:00
Haargoh?18:01
+perlDreameryeah, can you please take a look at t/Session/Http.t18:01
+perlDreamertoward the bottom, I create a bunch of sessions inside a scope18:01
+perlDreamerI assign a guard variable to each session, because I want it cleaned up right away18:02
+perlDreamer{ my $session = ....; my $guard = WebGUI::Test->cleanupGuard($session); .... }18:02
+perlDreamerbut none of the those sessions get cleaned up at the end of the test18:02
Haarghmm18:02
* perlDreamer suspects user error18:03
Haargi don't immediately see anything wrong18:03
+perlDreamerthe test isn't dying18:04
+perlDreamerand I get test debug output saying +10 after each run18:05
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+perlDreamerhm, my $session; { my $session }18:08
Haargwhat are your thoughts on getting rid of status description?18:10
+perlDreameronce I figure out why this is leaking sessions, I'll be committing the removal of status description18:11
+perlDreamerI think patspam said it best18:11
+perlDreamerWho is going to see that?18:11
Haargok18:11
Haargheh, i was working on a patch to do the same18:11
+perlDreamerhow about taking a look at the cleanup with me?18:12
Haargyeah18:12
+perlDreamerI changed all the variable names from session to session1 in 1 block18:12
+perlDreamerand it still didn't clean up18:12
Haargi'm trying to get my in-progress stuff squared away18:12
+perlDreamerwhat all are you working on?18:16
Haargmechanize for psgi and status description18:16
Haarglooking at the cleanup thing now18:16
+perlDreamershould i commit what I have?18:17
Haargfor what?18:17
+perlDreamerthe status description18:17
Haargif you want18:17
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@khennperlDreamer, are you around?18:20
@khennwas wondering if you have dealt with displaying those possibleValues lists in the order they are entered18:21
@khennie: Thingy18:21
@khennyou create a select list18:21
@khennand you assign it values using { "" => "" }18:21
@khennthe list comes back unordered18:21
@khennI'd rather not spend an hour figuring this out if someone already has done  it somewhere else in WebGUI =)18:21
+perlDreamerkhenn, it needs to not use the built-in sort options to the List-type18:22
+perlDreamerand it has to be passed an Tie::IxHash18:22
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+perlDreamerthey you get it in the order that you set it18:23
+perlDreamerunless the query to build the options doesn't do that18:23
+perlDreamerin which case you have to look further upstream18:23
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r19c2c5f / (16 files in 10 dirs): Remove status description from Session/Http, and update all users of setStatus. - http://bit.ly/c4bREb18:24
@khennyeah I'm passing it a Tie::IxHash18:25
@khennbut I have a feeling that securedEval is returning an unordered hash18:25
HaargperlDreamer, $session->duplicate is broken18:25
@preactionperlDreamer: wait, aren't you taking today and tomorrow off?18:26
+perlDreamerkhenn, that could very well be.  The list will also accept stuff using the old pip notation, it should do a better job preserving order18:26
@khenn?18:26
@khennwhat old pop notation?18:26
@khennpip18:26
+perlDreamerpipe notation18:27
+perlDreamerpreaction: yes.  But I can play with 8 until my wife is done with morning chores :)18:27
@preactionahh18:27
@khennno Thingy doesn't accept the pipe notation18:27
@khennfrom what I see in the code18:27
@khennmaybe the form field does?18:27
+perlDreamerThingy is a busted piece of foul camel crap then18:27
+perlDreamerthe form field does, as do profile fields18:28
CIA-57webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r8bfa022 / (4 files in 4 dirs): add type with coersion for WebGUI::Config - http://bit.ly/9Sh50n18:28
CIA-57webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r18525e7 / (9 files in 6 dirs): use callback for log interception instead of on/off - http://bit.ly/9BKJcw18:28
CIA-57webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r29428d7 / lib/WebGUI/Middleware/Session.pm : small adjustments to session middleware - http://bit.ly/9BIbvD18:28
CIA-57webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r0e9b793 / lib/WebGUI/Session.pm : fix WebGUI::Session->duplicate - http://bit.ly/cTWZYa18:28
+perlDreamerwe don't have any tests for Session->duplicate?18:28
Haargapparently not18:28
@khennyeah Thingy is explicitly splitting on new line character and building the options hash $options{$_} = $_18:29
+perlDreamerHaarg, for reference, I was also working on the Session/Output, and Session/Style18:30
+perlDreamerbut if you want to do those, my feeling wouldn't be hurt18:30
Haargi changed interceptLogging to use a callback thing.  if there is a different better way you can think of that interceptLogging could work, let me know.  it's just the first interface that came to mind to eliminate the use of globals.18:30
Haargalso, http://github.com/haarg/webgui/commit/cdf1c872fcd85002005fa5adcd32d1fed2d8711718:30
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Haargthe test is still broken with those changes, but i think they are unrelated to the mechanize stuff.18:31
Haargany comments on that class would be welcome18:31
+perlDreameruse Moose?18:31
Haargcould be done18:32
+perlDreamermaybe it's overkill18:33
Haargeh, it would simplify stuff18:33
Haargany comments on the api?18:33
+perlDreamerare we losing WEBGUI_LIVE?18:36
+perlDreamerand how do we guarantee that there is a sessionId?18:37
Haargi don't see any reason to keep it18:37
Haargthere should be a session id as soon as you make a request18:38
+perlDreamerwill Mechanize::PSGI start a server for us?18:38
Haargit does it all in process18:38
Haargno http server at all18:38
+perlDreamerso as long as we don't try to get the session before we make the first request, all will be well18:38
Haargyou can also have it create a in process http server i believe18:38
Haargyes18:39
Haargit could be made so you could set a session cookie explicitly18:39
+perlDreamerI don't know18:48
+perlDreameras long as it's documented, it should be fine18:48
+perlDreamerand we can always add that kind of thing later, if needed.18:48
CIA-57webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * rcaacf34 / t/Session.t : add test for Session->duplicate - http://bit.ly/9sK1JU18:53
@khennperlDeramer18:56
@khennI got it to work18:56
@khenntake a look at this:18:56
@khennhttp://webgui.pastebin.com/KhZneSTg18:56
@khenntell me what you think18:56
@khennI think it should be ok since we've already done the secure eval18:56
@khennand we know it's a hash18:56
@khennthere might be a better way to do it syntax wise though.  Replacing the { with ( seems rough around the edges18:57
@khennbut I can't think of a better way to make it work18:58
+perlDreamerkhenn, what's the original code in Thingy?  Which lines does this change?18:59
@khenn1014 I believe19:00
@khennall it was doing was:19:00
@khenn$params->{options} = $values;19:00
@khennso it was setting the unordered list19:00
@khennas the result of the secure eval19:00
+perlDreamerare the keys and values different in this field?19:01
+perlDreamerif they aren't I think you should consider using the code around 1004 instead19:02
+perlDreamerusing the newline separated interface19:02
+perlDreamerand it preserves order already19:03
@khennyes19:05
@khennkeys / values are set as { "" => "' }19:05
@khennnot separated by new lines necessarily19:05
+perlDreamerand each key is different from the value?19:05
@khennyes19:07
@khennwhen you secureEval that hash19:07
@khennit returns you an unordered hash19:07
@khennso the eval has to be done again19:07
+perlDreamerthat's the only thing it can do19:07
Haargkhenn, the code you pasted is unsecure19:08
Haarg*insecure19:09
@khennnot really19:10
Haargyes19:10
@khennit's already run through the secure eval19:10
@khennfirst line19:10
Haarghttp://gist.github.com/44232919:10
Haargreally easy to have the code change behavior due to those regexes19:10
+perlDreamerrunning it through the secure eval only makes $values secure, khenn19:11
Haargthat code would pass the secureeval but could do anything when run with eval19:11
+perlDreamerif you go back to the original possibleValues, then you lose the security19:11
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r3593001 / t/Session/Output.t : Update this test for Plack. - http://bit.ly/dcaPfD19:18
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rf0e0ed3 / t/Session/Style.t : Update Session/Style for using Plack for capturing output. - http://bit.ly/adKwXs19:18
+perlDreamerHaarg, that fixes the session tests19:18
+perlDreamerI think we should open a new ticket for leaky tests, close the current Test Status bug, and then open a new one with new Test Status19:19
Haargsome of those leaks were probably the ->duplicate bug19:20
+perlDreamerI'll try rerunning the suite with TEST_DEBUG and see what shakes out.19:21
Haargcan you update the ticket to remove the already fixed tests?19:21
Haargsince i can't19:21
@khennHaarg or perlDreamer:  what do you suggest?19:26
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Haargwhat was the problem with the newline separated interface?  i didn't quite follow what the problem was with it.19:27
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+perlDreamerHaarg, different keys and values19:29
+perlDreamerthe pipe interface would fix this19:29
+perlDreamerno one should reimplement option processing in every application19:30
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Haargthat else should just be $param{options} = $data->{possibleValues}19:32
Haargall it does is hand the options off to a form object19:32
Haargand it will handle parsing that19:32
+perlDreameryeah, khenn19:34
+perlDreamerand, if you do that, and use the pipe character to separate keys and values19:34
+perlDreamerthen they'll keep the order19:34
+perlDreamerand you won't have to add any code at all19:34
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@khennhuh?19:40
@khennuse the pipe character?19:40
+perlDreameryeah19:40
+perlDreamerIf you let the List form object handle possibleValues processing19:41
+perlDreamerit will handle 3 kinds of inputs19:41
+perlDreamer1) A hash ref, used as is19:41
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rfaf04f7 / t/Session/Privilege.t : Update privilege test for the removal of status description. - http://bit.ly/aw22Ah19:41
+perlDreamer2) Newline separated entries, assigns keys = values, preserves order19:41
+perlDreamer3) Newline and pipeline separated.  A | aye\nB | Bee19:41
+perlDreamerlets you have different keys value, preserves order19:42
@khennso I should dump all of his auxiliary code19:42
+perlDreamerI would19:42
@khennand just pass $data->{possibleValues} right into the form control?19:42
@khennand then if I want an ordered list I have to use pipes ?19:42
@khennthat seems ...19:42
+perlDreameryou shuold probably keep the secureEval19:42
+perlDreamerbut the other stuff, about processing newlines, it can die19:42
@khennshouldn't the form control handle that?19:42
+perlDreamerno19:42
+perlDreamerwell, it doesn't now19:43
@khennok19:43
+perlDreamerchanging that would double eval it in custom code, which could be bad19:43
Haargideally we would remove secureEval entirely from the codebase entirely, but a bunch of stuff would have to change first19:44
@khennso the code looks like:19:44
@khenn my $values = WebGUI::Operation::Shared::secureEval($session,$data->{possibleValues});19:44
@khenn        $param{options} = $values;19:44
@khennand that's it19:44
@khennthe form handles parsing $values19:44
@khennbased on what it is19:45
Haargyeah, that should work19:45
+perlDreamerHaarg, is AssetHelper/Copy/WithChildren.t failing on your box?19:47
Haargno, i fixed those19:47
+perlDreamerit is committed?19:47
Haargyes19:47
+perlDreamerpushed?19:47
Haargyes19:47
Haargyou having problems with them?19:47
+perlDreameryes, after running the test suite19:47
+perlDreamerTest #2, got 10, expected 2719:48
Haargwell, the 'fix' was to have them use counts based on content that is on the pages it is testing19:48
Haargrather than assuming it was the same as the default content19:48
Haargbut i may have missed something19:48
@khennyeaht hat works.  I'm going to submit that to core19:50
+perlDreamers/descendants/children/19:50
Haargthat's probably it19:52
+perlDreamerI see 6 failing tests19:52
+perlDreamerwhich is almost the same place we started on Monday19:52
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rd1163c0 / t/AssetHelper/Copy/WithChildren.t : Only check children, not descandants to be copied. - http://bit.ly/bKme7F19:52
+perlDreamernot too shabby!19:52
+perlDreamerpreaction, you need to take Haarg out and buy him a beer.19:52
+perlDreamerHe's been a test fixing monster this week for the PSGI merge19:53
Haargt/i18n/template.t i gather we are waiting on something for19:53
+perlDreamerwgd19:53
+perlDreamerI can't wgd edit19:53
Haargahh19:53
Haargwell, i need to get WebGUI::Command written by the end of the month19:53
Haargso maybe i can fit that in there19:53
Haargt/Exception/app.t i don't know what is wrong.  need to look at it.19:54
+perlDreamerI can do that19:54
+perlDreamerin between house chores19:54
+perlDreamerand fixing lunch19:54
+perlDreamerand picking up the kids19:54
Haargformbuilder stuff is waiting doug's stuff19:54
Haargt/Asset/EMSSubmissionForm.t is waiting on core stuff19:55
@preactioni have three major things to do to merge my new fixes: Template Attachments, Calendar Feeds, and now I forgot the last one...19:55
+perlDreamerPOD.t19:55
Haargt/POD.t just needs someone to do the work19:55
+perlDreamerpreaction, that's the last one.  WebGUI8 needs POD19:55
@preactionright, FormBuilder POD19:56
Haargthe calendar test definitely is showing a bug somewhere19:56
+perlDreamerpatspam will write some PSGI POD19:56
+perlDreamerHaarg, which calendar test?19:56
Haargt/Asset/Wobject/Calendar.t19:56
+perlDreamerwe just need to merge master, and it will be fixed19:56
Haargah19:56
Haargand i have to convert the mech tests19:56
+perlDreamerException/app.t is suffering from an undocumented perl module requirement19:57
+perlDreamermaybe more...19:57
Haargwe have a few requirements that are not yet listed19:57
Haargwhat module isn't listed?19:58
+perlDreamerHTTP::Exception19:58
Haargah19:58
+perlDreamerI'll add it, and retest19:58
+perlDreamerand gently chide patspam about it19:58
+perlDreamerdoh!20:00
+perlDreameruncommented tests20:00
+perlDreamerwith that module, the test only fails, not dies20:05
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r2a39446 / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : Document a new perl module requirement. - http://bit.ly/9wyUFF20:05
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r52fe958 / t/Exception/app.t : Add comments for tests. - http://bit.ly/atQkE220:06
+perlDreamerHaarg, the ticket is updated20:30
+perlDreamerI'm rerunning prove with test debug to check for leaks20:30
+perlDreamerhopefully it's a lot better now20:30
CIA-57webgui: khenn master * ref31678 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed #11656: Thingy: Select list fields are not sorted properly - http://bit.ly/ayBAN120:31
@khenngit question20:33
@khennI'm trying to checkout WebGUI 7.820:33
@khennrunning this:20:33
@khenngit checkout --track --branch webgui-7.8 webgui-7.820:33
@khennwhat am I doing wrong?20:33
Haargsecond webgui-7.8 should be origin/webgui-7.820:34
@khennerror: unknown option `branch'20:34
@khenndo I have an old copy of git or something?20:35
Haarggit --version20:35
@khenngit version 1.6.3.220:35
Haarguse -b instead of --branch20:35
@khennthere we go20:36
@khennthanks Haarg20:36
+perlDreamerkhenn++ for backporting to stable20:36
@khennI think cherry-pick is going to bomb here20:37
@khennwe'll see20:37
+perlDreamereven if it does, it's a pretty simple thing to clean-up one commit20:38
+perlDreamerfor sure, it will die on the changelog20:38
CIA-57webgui: khenn webgui-7.8 * r7c44ede / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed #11656: Thingy: Select list fields are not sorted properly - http://bit.ly/c4x4xI20:39
@khennit acutally didn't20:39
@khennlucky me20:39
Haargi wish we could change our changelog policy but it could increase the work needed to cut a release20:40
@khenndoes anyone know if it's possible to configure apache to serve up certain file types as a particular mime type?20:42
@khennbasically, we want to force downloads on certain content on a client site (.doc, .docx, etc)20:43
@khennwondering if there is an easy way to configure that in apache20:43
+perlDreamerit uses some file for choosing mime types20:43
@khennor if I'm stuck forcing the headers to change20:43
+perlDreameryou could alter that file20:43
+perlDreameror you can do manual sets in the apache config file, too, I think20:43
Haarg/data/wre/etc/mime.types20:43
+perlDreamerpreaction, which assets use www_edit for changing the title of the Edit Screen?20:44
+perlDreamerI've checked several handfulls visually, and am not seeing it20:44
@khennHaarg, if I modify that apache will server up those document as I specify?20:45
@preactionthey're the ones that just call $adminConsole->render( $self->getEditForm->print, $i18n->get('edit') );20:45
Haargyes khenn20:45
@khennso I can specify all .docx to be served up as application/octet-stream ?20:45
Haargyep20:45
@khennnice20:45
@khennI assume I have to restart modproxy?20:45
+perlDreamerpreaction: I found that in one file, and it adds an entry to the Admin Console sub-menu20:46
@preactionright, but those are going away because of AssetHelpers20:46
@preactionthat's probably not a task that can be completed right now20:46
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+perlDreamerwhen I run the debugger, any call to addToCleanup fails21:16
+perlDreameronly the class based ones pass21:16
Haargodd21:16
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CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r10f2cda / lib/WebGUI/Role/Asset/Subscribable.pm : Change purge from override to around. - http://bit.ly/d0LGTs21:32
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r869d12f / t/Asset/WikiPage.t : Fetch a fresh asset to prevent groups from leaking. - http://bit.ly/a0G8bW21:32
+perlDreamerThe Story Manager is leaking version tags21:32
+perlDreamerI don't know where yet21:33
@scrottie=(21:33
Haargthe story manager or the test?21:33
+perlDreamerdon't know yet21:33
+perlDreamerI think the Manager Assets themselves21:33
+perlDreameralso, there are sessions and scratch sessions leaking throughout the tests21:33
+perlDreamerbut with odd numbers21:33
+perlDreamerhttp://gist.github.com/44253321:35
+perlDreamersee how the Session count jumps from 2 to 7, but it only registers as +1 ?21:35
Haargyeah21:36
+perlDreamerhowever, with the fixed leaking group21:37
+perlDreameronce the tags are fixed21:37
+perlDreamerthe Session/Scratch stuff are the only leaks21:37
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CIA-57webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * rc27a9e5 / (4 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)23:28
CIA-57webgui: Adds GenericObject to Workflow - for use by Flux workflows23:28
CIA-57webgui: To be fully flexible, Flux needs to be able to pass any data it likes23:28
CIA-57webgui: into workflow activities, whereas WebGUI's workflow system requires that23:28
CIA-57webgui: you specify what object the workflow instance will work with (User, etc..)23:28
CIA-57webgui: To work around this, I added a new object that can take arbitrary data.23:28
CIA-57webgui: This was motivated by the "email user about flux rule" workflow activity,23:28
CIA-57webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * rc27a9e5 / (4 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)23:29
CIA-57webgui: Adds GenericObject to Workflow - for use by Flux workflows23:29
CIA-57webgui: To be fully flexible, Flux needs to be able to pass any data it likes23:29
CIA-57webgui: into workflow activities, whereas WebGUI's workflow system requires that23:29
CIA-57webgui: you specify what object the workflow instance will work with (User, etc..)23:29
CIA-57webgui: To work around this, I added a new object that can take arbitrary data.23:29
CIA-57webgui: This was motivated by the "email user about flux rule" workflow activity,23:29
+patspamspam on23:33
+patspamhas anyone else found the need to do that with Workflows too?23:34
+patspam(http://tinyurl.com/29fal3o)23:36
@scrottiehttp://gist.github.com/442746 ... t/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.t dies failing to read a file.  Config::JSON::create doesn't seem to be called at any point during the test.  it comes up with a config file name that's partially random/computed such that it couldn't be expected to already exist.23:46
@scrottiedirectory should be readable by the user running the tests.23:47
@scrottieI can't figure how it's supposed to work since I can't observe it working correctly =P23:54
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@scrottieoh well.  commented out for the moment.00:03
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CIA-57WebGUI: translation * r12519 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/ (7 files): Updating Spanish on translation server00:26
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CIA-57WebGUI: translation * r12525 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/PayDriver_PayPalStd.pm: Updating Spanish on translation server01:56
CIA-57WebGUI: translation * r12526 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/ (PayDriver_Ogone.pm PayDriver_ExpressCheckout.pm): Updating Spanish on translation server01:56
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+perlDreamerscrottie, there was a merge last week that broke config file reading02:10
+perlDreamerbut it was fixed by Tuesday for the release02:10
+perlDreamerare you seeing this in the main branch, or a private branch?02:10
@scrottieahh, okay.  I be pullin' then.  thanks02:10
@scrottiemaster.  lessie.02:10
@scrottie Mon Jun 14 11:30:36 2010 -0700 # last pulled commit02:11
+perlDreameryeah, that's too early02:11
@scrottiefwiw, this seems to be working.  I'm going to clean it up and push to my private branch in a bit here and solicit comments before merging to previous release and pushing into the plainblack repo.02:13
@scrottieaside from having to comment out that exploding test that I asked about.02:13
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r864b65e / lib/WebGUI/Mail/Send.pm : Remove debug statement. - http://bit.ly/avxEin02:13
CIA-57webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * re2240d2 / lib/WebGUI/Mail/Send.pm : Remove debug statement. - http://bit.ly/9eT0Yy02:14
@scrottieI took the chance to read through a bunch of stuff.  Sometimes I'm neurotic about doing things in code without know exactly why they work and how the parts fit together.02:14
+perlDreamerthat's not bad02:15
@scrottiefaith isn't my strong point.  I'm not sure I have a strong point, come to think of it.02:15
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@scrottietrying to go into the admin for StoryArchive while already in that asset, you get "Refusing to add WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::StoryArchive to StoryArchive"08:44
@scrottiethe link http://localhost:8000/home/mystories?func=add;class=WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::StoryArchive offends it.08:44
@scrottiehttp://github.com/scrottie/webgui/commit/3f5fa2d17443e0fdc025796e877bc82d6fca88b6 ... perlDreamer, you seem to be my mentor.  care to look at that and let me know if I'm on the right track here?09:06
@scrottiewhenever you're awake and back at it.09:06
@scrottiestill need to backport this once I attain blessing.09:08
Haargi'm not sure if a new form control is needed for that09:13
@scrottieI was hoping not.09:14
@scrottiebut I couldn't find another example and the developer's guide seemed to act as if that was the natural thing to do.09:14
Haargwell, you should be able to just set options on a select list09:14
@scrottieon the other hand, I'm really running out of time before YAPC.09:15
@scrottiethat sounds like fun.  thanks for looking at that.09:15
Haarglook at sortOrder on the collaboration system09:15
* scrottie nods09:16
@scrottieI keep getting hung up on that uc_first thing... I was grepping for SelectList in the code and not finding it.09:17
@scrottieselectList.09:17
Haargyeah09:17
@scrottieer, selectBox, apparently.09:17
Haargi really hate that09:17
@scrottiejust need to alias ack=ack -i09:18
@scrottieer, I do.  won't fix hate, only misses ;)09:18
CIA-57webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r90dfb83 / (t/Auth/mech.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test/Mechanize.pm): new class for mechanize tests, fix Auth/mech - http://bit.ly/bogbTb09:47
@scrottiegetOriginalValue() is coming back with the default, in SelectBox.  that calls $self->get('value') which comes back with an array ref that contains, as its single element, the string value of the option.10:31
@scrottieso form repop doesn't work.10:31
@scrottieannoying.10:31
@scrottieit just sticks to the default.10:32
@scrottieno, it's not even reading the correct value from the database.  $self->get('value') is coming back with one of the two options but not necessarily what's in the database.  grr.10:39
@scrottieno, it works, but the UI is confusing me.10:45
@scrottiethe admin is for creating new archives, not editing one single archive and it doesn't seem to be possible to edit any story archive that's been created?10:46
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@scrottieI love force pushing to my github fork =)11:03
@scrottiehttp://github.com/scrottie/webgui/commit/dd16206db6ee3c339d93db56d7434ee7c050401b # reworked patch11:04
Haarglooks good aside from the upgrade sub name11:05
@scrottiehaha.11:18
@scrottielook at that.  and I apparently yw'd the typo and pasted it so it all works.  if you're going to be wrong, at least be consistent =)11:18
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+bartjolmm, am I mistaken or is the message tmpl_var in de shopping cart missing in the template help?14:51
+bartjolwell, I submitted a bug14:59
+bartjolmmm and the choosShippingButton tmpl_var seems to have evaporated, except for i18n15:19
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SDuensinMorning.16:14
+bartjolhi, did you mess up the e cart template help? (just wanna have someone to blame)16:15
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ckotilDoes the asset definition for Shortcut require "isContainer" : 116:53
ckotilin the webgui config?16:53
ckotilAfter upgrading to 7.8.20 this disappeared from my webgui config16:54
ckotilnevermind. im an idiot.16:56
ckotilforgot that the shortcut asset isnt in the new content admin menu. but its the little arrow next to the edit/cut/copy 16:56
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+perlDreamerscrottie, not sure what you mean by backporting18:06
+perlDreamerthis is a new feature18:06
+perlDreamerit would only go into 7.918:06
+perlDreamerat least for core code18:06
+perlDreameryou may need to make a patch that would apply against an earlier version for a customer's code18:07
+perlDreamerbut it wouldn't be released as part of 7.818:07
Haargi worked a bit on merging master into WebGUI8 last night18:07
Haarggot it down to 17 files left to do18:07
+perlDreamerugh18:08
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Haargthat started at around 90 though so that's getting close18:26
Haargsomething that would actually make these merges go a lot smoother is deciding on a pertidy config and running the whole codebase through it in all branches18:30
@preactionwe can do it in 7.9 and 8, i've just been waiting for a good time18:33
Haargi've been meaning to check if there is anything in the existing perltidyrc file i'd like to change, but as long as it is consistent i don't care too much18:34
Haargmight be worth considering changing stow to use CHI18:39
Haargalso, do we ever store anything in session scratch that would be unsafe to show the user?18:40
@preactionwhy should stow use CHI? it's a feature that it goes away after the request18:41
Haargconsistant interface18:41
Haargnot really important and probably not worth doing, but it is a caching interface18:43
+perlDreamermaybe we should write a CHI plugin for temporary data18:58
+perlDreamerand require that be used by stow18:58
+perlDreamerthen the interface is consistent18:58
+perlDreamerand Session/Stow goes away18:58
HaargCHI comes with one18:59
+perlDreamereven better!18:59
+perlDreamerI figure one of these days, I'm going to have a good idea that hasn't already been implemented by someone else18:59
* perlDreamer will be gone the rest of the day on an epic mass-transit trek19:00
+perlDreamerLight rail, streetcar, bus and tram19:00
+perlDreamerI'll check the offline logs for anything important19:00
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Haargpreaction or anyone else, thoughts on this for upgrades for progress reporting: http://gist.github.com/44383519:10
@preactionlooks okay to me19:12
@preactionthen we can count up the number of start_step, report, and done, and add a progress bar. fun!19:12
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Haargheh19:13
Haargthat's the last important thing i need to finish before i can merge my upgrades stuff19:13
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@scrottieperlDreamer, for some reason, Frank wants this on 7.7.x too.20:24
@scrottieI'm going to be limited today too.20:25
@preactionscrottie: it means it just has to apply as a patch to 7.7, not that it'll be included with any previous version's release20:31
@scrottiealright.20:32
@scrottiemy goal this year is to have enough tuits left to take out the compost before I leave town for a week.20:40
@preactiondidn't someone create a script to check .wgaccess files and make sure they're correct?20:43
@preactionor rather, check all File and Image assets and make sure their .wgaccess files are correct?20:43
* preaction can't wait for sendfile support20:43
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@preactionwho wrote the CDN crap?22:56
HaargRandall Schwartz22:59
@scrottieyou know, programmers don't get nabbed in witch hunts nearly often enough.22:59
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CIA-61webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * re1f0688 / docs/gotcha.txt : clean up left over merge marker - http://bit.ly/9n8blv12:41
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patspampreaction: tell haarg to send me a google voice invite06:11
@preactionkk06:11
patspam:)06:11
@preactionhow'd you get on IRC?06:11
@preactioni had to set up an irc proxy06:12
@preactionand a local ssh tunnel for outgoing mail06:12
@preactionbastards will not stop me from doing what needs doing!06:12
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patspamyeah I'm ssh tunneling06:59
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SDuensinGreetings.16:11
@preaction morning from Columbus, OH!16:11
* preaction is at YAPC!16:11
* SDuensin is at YADAW.16:12
SDuensin(Yet another day at work.)16:12
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CIA-61webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r178e6f7 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm): Remove yahoo debug code from the Asset Manager. fixes bug #11662 - http://bit.ly/aIGW2U18:45
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Mech422hey pd - got a sec for more "things users really shouldn't do to wG" ?18:55
CIA-61webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf4a4259 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Document the Cart template variable, message. Fixes bug #11658 - http://bit.ly/bkgtTH18:56
+perlDreamerBring it on, your Mechness18:56
CIA-61webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r56c74f8 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Document the Cart template variable, message. Fixes bug #11658 - http://bit.ly/aORz2r18:56
Mech422thanks man :-)  I need to break....errr..update some collaboration system data...18:56
Mech422we started putting in 'archived' stories - old stories from the past 5-10 years...but they all go in with the date they were keypunched instead of the article's 'real' date...18:57
Mech422know what I mean ?18:58
+perlDreameryes, it sounds like you want to backdate from articles18:58
+perlDreamer"some articles"18:58
Mech422ahh - yes -  a concise summary as always ! :-)  Exactly18:58
Mech422so I found the asset table18:58
+perlDreamerit's a good place to start18:59
Mech422(btw - the date is stored as an int not a date ? )18:59
+perlDreamerint == date in epoch format, yes18:59
Mech422but I can't find the text/blob field ?18:59
+perlDreamer<begin small asset db lecture>18:59
+perlDreamerthe asset table holds version invariant information about an asset19:00
+perlDreamerassetId, state (trash/clipboard), creationDate, etc19:00
+perlDreamerversioned information (revisionDate, url, title) and so on19:00
+perlDreamerare spread across several other tables that reflect the class hierarchy of the asset19:00
+perlDreamerthe base table for revisioned data is assetData19:00
+perlDreamerassetData holds shared information used by all assets19:01
+perlDreamerurl, title, ownerUserId, revisionDate, tagId, and so on19:01
+perlDreamerFor a Thread in the Collaboration System, there would be 3 tables19:01
+perlDreamerassetData, Post, and Thread19:01
+perlDreamerdepending on how the CS is sorted, you may need to change only 1 date (creationDate), or perhaps several dates (creationDate, lastUpdated, revisionDate).19:02
+perlDreamerrevisionDate can be the most difficult to change, since it has to be changed in all versioned asset tables19:02
+perlDreamersince it is a compound key used for looking up revisioned data19:03
+perlDreamer</end small asset db lecture>19:03
+perlDreamerMech422: did all that make sense?19:04
Mech422ah - ok, so would this be easier to do using the wG modules ?  or directly modifying the tables (say with phpmyadmin) ?19:04
Mech422yes - a great description19:04
+perlDreamerhow many posts are we talking about?19:04
Mech422umm - 10/day for like 8 to 10 years19:04
Mech422so about 25K ?19:05
+perlDreamerhave all the posts been entered by hand, already?19:05
Mech422no - I think about 5K entered (how would I check ??) 19:06
Mech422of course, every 'batch' of archive data entered will have the same 'problem'19:06
+perlDreameryes19:06
Mech422so it will have to be redone for each batch19:06
+perlDreamerfor thousands of entries, I would write a small script to fix the problem19:06
+perlDreameris the "correct date" stored in a userDefined field in the Post?19:07
Mech422not atm - it was in the title (ass backwards - mmddyy :-/ )19:08
Mech422I could add that though19:08
+perlDreamerthese posts aren't really being entered by hand, are they?19:09
Mech422yeah19:09
+perlDreameryou have command line access to the server hosting the WebGUI site?19:09
Mech422well - they are being entered by 'cut and paste' 19:09
Mech422yeap - have CL access19:09
+perlDreamerwith 100% hindsigh, I would generate some massive CSV file from the old website, and then write a script to import it into the new site in WebGUI19:10
+perlDreamerhowever, that doesn't help you with the 5K current entries19:10
+perlDreamerbrb19:10
Mech422oh last question - the search function - does that sort on creation date or revision date ? (so the stories sort in chronological order when searching)19:12
+perlDreamerby default, it sorts by lineage, which is roughly the order it was added to the CS19:18
Mech422so if I just 'fix' the creation date, is there an option to have it sort via creation date ?19:19
+perlDreamernot in the search function19:19
+perlDreamerthat would have to be added19:19
+perlDreamerhang on19:19
+perlDreamerthis is using WebGUI::Search19:19
+perlDreamerit orders by search result score19:20
+perlDreamerand is not easily changable19:20
Mech422ok - so I can just change creation date and call it good...19:21
Mech422revision date sounds a bit hairy to start mucking with19:21
+perlDreameryes19:21
+perlDreamerdefinitely, since it has to be updated in all those tables19:21
+perlDreamernot difficult, just more work19:21
Mech422thank you very much :-)  I shall run off and break my test site now...err...update the dates. :-)19:22
+perlDreamergood luck ;)19:22
Mech422thx!  Oh and happy belated fathers day!19:22
+perlDreamerthanks, Mech42219:51
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+perlDreamerSeriously, folks, is there anything more fun than fixing CS bugs?23:58
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CIA-61webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r05610f7 / (4 files in 3 dirs): Correctly handle the case of finding new lastPost information when a Post is trashed. Fixes bug #11646. - http://bit.ly/chztu602:03
CIA-61webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r8145061 / (4 files in 3 dirs): Correctly handle the case of finding new lastPost information when a Post is trashed. Fixes bug #11646. - http://bit.ly/b9FQcQ02:06
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+perlDreamerahoy, patspam!02:40
+perlDreamerall full of YAPC goodness?02:40
patspamhowdy!02:40
patspamoverloaded already02:40
+perlDreameris there anything we need to redo in WebGUI8 yet?02:40
patspamheh yeah02:40
patspamDist::Zilla for releases02:41
+perlDreamerI thought that was just for packaging?02:41
+perlDreamerit'll run updates and such?02:41
patspamoh no, you're right, not updates02:41
patspampackaging02:41
patspame.g. "dzil release"02:41
patspamwould let us delete a whole lot of boilerplate02:42
patspamsuch as the copyright notices in every pm file02:42
+perlDreamerthat's be nice02:42
+perlDreamerwe're already 6 months late for the last update02:42
patspamhaarg is thinking about migrating some of his wgd release stuff02:42
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SDuensinGreetings.16:33
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+perlDreamerJT talks about some software called WebGUI: http://blogs.perl.org/users/jt_smith/2010/06/with-webgui-its-in-there.html17:23
SDuensinBah.  Marketing hype.  Nothing is that good.17:24
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+perlDreamermore linkage: http://radar.oreilly.com/2010/06/on-the-performance-of-clouds.html17:36
+perlDreamerif you follow the link to download the study, you don't actually have to fill out any address info17:36
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@preactionhttp://sourceforge.net/blog/want-more-from-your-cms-with-webgui-its-in-there/ JT interviewed by SourceForget17:54
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@preactionhow do i keep my personal webgui fork up-to-date from upstream?18:02
+perlDreamerset it to track in git?18:03
+perlDreamerthat's a guess, btw18:03
+perlDreamerand, my personal recommendation is that you don't do that18:04
+perlDreamerbecause it makes reviewing merged commits very difficult18:04
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@preactioni renamed "origin", and i think this'll work. all the upstream branches track upstream, and my personal branches will go to my fork18:07
@preactioni want to get comments on my multiauth changes before i commit. i think this'll be kinda weird18:07
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rda320a0 / (5 files in 5 dirs): Add a template variable to hide the subscribe form when editing a Post when the user is subscribed to the parent CS. Updated all PostForm templates to use this new variable. Fixes bug #11626. - http://bit.ly/ceQuZ218:08
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r4f6fa4e / (5 files in 5 dirs): Add a template variable to hide the subscribe form when editing a Post when the user is subscribed to the parent CS. Updated all PostForm templates to use this new variable. Fixes bug #11626. - http://bit.ly/dmby5j18:12
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * rd626b3e / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move upgrade package to the right location. - http://bit.ly/cuNXiH18:12
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * rcdb0f2e / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move the package, again - http://bit.ly/bYc5Ek18:12
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8283243 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm): Allow visitor to remove items from their cart. Fixes bug #11667 - http://bit.ly/bfIGEC18:28
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+perlDreamerGood morning, SynQ!18:34
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@preactioncomments, if anyone has time: http://github.com/preaction/webgui/commit/b663108150dd153e11f5f948db647a23c71194c019:19
@preactionadds two features: www_ methods to Auth (no more setCallable bullcrap), and multiple auth types for visitor (they get to choose which one they'll use)19:19
@preactionso there can be a Facebook Connect button, but "WebGUI" is still the default auth type19:19
* preaction goes for lunch19:19
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+snapcounthas anyone ever run across strange issues with user session scratch?  I am baffled.  I am storing a colon separated list of guids in scratch but what is in the database does not match.  I do a set, then immediately do a get in the very next line of code and the values match.  If a do a query in the db however they do not match.  On the next page view when the value is fetched from scratch it matches what is in the db.19:26
+perlDreamerdoing a get right after a set will return the value cached in the object19:27
+perlDreamercan you paste the original data, and the data stored in the db?19:27
+snapcountok that makes sense19:27
+snapcountyeah I'm firing up my dev instance now19:28
+snapcountand will pastebin the details19:28
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+snapcountit was a corrupt table, myisamchk fixed it19:34
+snapcountthat was the most bizarre thing I have ever seen, the data looked nothing like what I was storing19:35
+perlDreamerphew :)19:41
+snapcountheh yeah, I was really frightened because the code that handles scratch is about as simple as it gets19:44
+snapcountare there any assets in webgui using ajax in a very simple way, i.e., a simple form post that calls a www_ method or something and returns some data?  I'm looking for an example of how to use the JS libs included and any other convienience/helpers that are already built into the api.19:47
+perlDreamerhm19:48
+perlDreamerYou can check out Form/Username.pm19:48
+snapcountok sweet19:48
+snapcountI just don't want to make it harder then it has to be and take advantage of all the hard work you guys have already done =)19:48
+perlDreamermost of the magic would be in the template or JS side of things19:49
+perlDreameron the perl side, WebGUI will just call a www_ method19:49
+perlDreamerand you code it to return AJAX instead of HTML19:49
+snapcounteasy enough19:54
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@khennperlDreamer:  I'd like to change PageLayout to exclude not just other Page Layouts, but any subclass of Page Layout as well20:55
+perlDreamerno way dude20:56
@khennwhy not?20:56
+perlDreamerkeep your custom code out of the core!20:56
@khennthe only thing that would need to change would be to, instead of excludeOnlyClasses=>[WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::PageLayout]20:56
@khennremove that20:56
@khennand add where => "className not like 'WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::PageLayout%"20:57
@khennI don't see that being a big deal20:57
@khennright now if you subclass ...20:57
@khenner sorry20:57
@khennnot PageLayout20:57
@khennit's just Layout I think20:57
+perlDreamerit's not, I would have wound the joke up if I wasn't called from the office20:58
+perlDreamerreally, it sounds like a good feature addition to 7.920:58
+perlDreamerif you'd add a quick test, it would be awesome20:58
@khennoh ok20:59
@khennI thought you were being serious20:59
@khennI'm going to add it20:59
@khennI don't know how to create a quick test for it though20:59
@khennthat would require a custom layout wouldn't it?20:59
@khennso I can test that subclasses of Layout worked?20:59
+perlDreamerYes, and no.21:00
+perlDreamerthere's a couple of ways to do it21:00
+perlDreamerthe clean way is to put a dummy class into t/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Layout/DummyLayout.pm21:00
+perlDreamerthere are similar dummy classes in there already, for testing RSS and other things21:00
+perlDreamerthe quick, dirty way is to add a layout, and change the classname in the db21:01
+perlDreamerthen change it back so it will be cleaned up21:01
@khennthe clean way actually sounds easier21:01
+perlDreameryeah, it is21:03
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@khennactually perlDreamer, I don't need to21:30
@khennexcludeOnlyClasses is already doing it for me21:30
@khennso not needed21:30
@khennso I won't be adding that feature afterall21:31
+perlDreamercool.  The POD doesn't say anything about that.21:33
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r6d25bc8 / lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm : Document that getLineage*'s excludeClasses are appended with wildcards, so sub-classes are also excluded. - http://bit.ly/aVMx1321:36
@khennHaarg are you around?21:48
Haargyes21:49
@khennwhat is this doing:21:50
@khennRewriteRule ^/favicon.ico - [L]21:50
@khennI'm trying to add a favicon to a site21:50
@khennand it seems like plainblack.com works great21:50
@khennit has favicon.ico and favicon.png in /extras21:51
@khennbut I don't know what that rewrite rule is doing21:51
Haargit makes apache serve the file from the filesystem instead of hitting the later rewrites21:51
@khennwhat is the - [L]21:51
HaargL is last, so it stops processing rewrites21:51
Haarg- is basically 'do nothing' so it doesn't really do any rewriting21:52
@khennoh21:52
@khennso where is it finding /favicon.ico then?21:52
@khennis ^ pointing to extras?21:52
HaargDocumentRoot21:52
Haarg^ is because it is a regex21:52
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@khenncool thanks21:54
@khennI think I got it21:54
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@khennHaarg:  getting the following error when I try to add mod rewrite22:16
@khennInvalid command 'RewriteEngine', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration22:16
@khennany idea what might cause that under the WRE?22:16
@preactionno LoadModule rewrite_module line22:17
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@preactionhence exactly what the error message says: defined by a module not included in the server configuration22:17
@khennfrom modproxy.conf:22:18
@khennLoadModule rewrite_module modules/mod_rewrite.so22:18
@khennis the path perhaps wrong?22:18
@khennif it is there's a lot more broken than just mod_rewrite22:20
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@khennnever mind, I think I figured it out22:29
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+perlDreamerkhenn, any idea why Admin is not able to be assigned a project in a Project Manager asset?23:46
@khennno clue23:46
@khennhaven't touched that in years23:46
+perlDreamerit's hardcoded in there, as userId 323:53
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@khennah00:13
@khennthat explains it00:13
+perlDreamerI can't think of any good reason to exclude Admin, and I suspect that martien will be filing a bug to change it shortly00:14
+perlDreamerany objections?00:14
+snapcountI object on the basis that 1) my opinion does not matter and 2) I like being that one guy that always complains especially when there is no reason to do so00:24
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+perlDreamersnapcount, your objection is noted and assigned the appropriate value.00:32
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* perlDreamer has to run some errands, any last second questions?01:52
+perlDreamerkhenn, I have a fix pending for the "Assets in Trash/Clipboard", and it will make it into tonight's release01:53
@khenngreat01:53
@khennthanks colin01:53
@khennhow did you fix it?01:53
+perlDreamerI told getLineage to consider all asset status options, pending, archived and pending01:54
+perlDreamerhttp://gist.github.com/44923001:54
@khennah ok01:54
@khennthanks01:55
+perlDreamerI was thrown earlier, because it really only fails if there's no previous version of the asset.01:55
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+perlDreamerIt takes perl a very long time to count to 10 billion04:48
+perlDreamerI need a lazy list04:56
+perlDreameror, a better way to get all inbox messages for a user, without using the paginator04:56
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CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r351a0d6 / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.22/root_import_collaboration.wgpkg : Remove templates from the package that don't belong in this branch. (+5 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/doygF108:10
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r1c0533e / lib/WebGUI/Paginator.pm : Fix a bug with building really big paginated lists, like when deleting all messages for a user. - http://bit.ly/dC72AU08:11
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ree17991 / lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm : Document that getLineage*'s excludeClasses are appended with wildcards, so sub-classes are also excluded. - http://bit.ly/aJLIWH08:12
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1101cee / lib/WebGUI/Paginator.pm : Fix a bug with building really big paginated lists, like when deleting all messages for a user. - http://bit.ly/aekSIu08:12
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+perlDreamerHaarg: ping08:22
+perlDreamerawake from your YAPC inspired slumber08:23
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@tavistoWoohoo, colloquy on ios4!08:25
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@tavistoTesting... 08:30
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * rb057ad2 / lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm : Document that the whereClause will be prepended with "AND ". - http://bit.ly/aF0cPv08:30
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * rbed97f4 / (3 files in 2 dirs): Display assets, regardless of their status, in the Clipboard and Trash. Fixes bug #11550. - http://bit.ly/9qMxzF08:30
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CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r08ee815 / lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm : Document that the whereClause will be prepended with "AND ". - http://bit.ly/bWJk3908:31
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r05a19ff / (3 files in 2 dirs): Display assets, regardless of their status, in the Clipboard and Trash. Fixes bug #11550. - http://bit.ly/a8CQ8308:31
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r30a242d / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.8.22 release. - http://bit.ly/azscIE08:35
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r004ea48 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.8.23 development cycle. - http://bit.ly/aSmtzy09:11
HaargperlDreamer, ping09:11
+perlDreamerreally weird problem with t/00_compile.t09:11
Haargbranch?09:11
+perlDreamerwebgui-7.809:11
+perlDreamerit said that Shelf.pm had a syntax warning09:13
+perlDreamer"subroutine definition redefined at ... Shelf.pm line 31"09:13
+perlDreamerbut if you ran the syntax check by hand, it was fine09:13
Haargwith warnings on?09:13
+perlDreamerperl -mWebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Shelf -wce109:14
+perlDreamerthis commit caused it to stop griping: 351a0d650f96ed9689cc9c9a1321dfcf3e3a4b2609:16
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+perlDreamerthanks, Radix_09:20
Haargthat is very odd09:21
Haargi don't see that warning even going back before that commit09:21
Haargand that commit only touches a package09:22
+perlDreameryep, and the test that it makes pass comes _after_ 00_compile.t09:22
+perlDreamerI'll see if I can make it happen again, tomorrow09:43
+perlDreamerI'm sorry for disturbing you, Haarg09:43
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SDuensinMorning.16:12
+perlmonkey2morning16:14
+perlmonkey2SDuensin: you ever find a good gig?16:14
SDuensinA gig.  Not sure I'd go as far as saying "good".16:15
+perlmonkey2SDuensin: I've got a bunch of interviews lined up. My dreams of striking out on my own lay crushed at my feet :P16:16
SDuensinMy dreams are battered and bruised, but they're not down yet!16:17
* SDuensin has been working on a web-based game in is "spare" time.16:17
+perlmonkey2SDuensin: that sounds like a ton of fun. multiplayer?16:18
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SDuensinIt would be fun, if it wasn't for CSS being Teh Suck(tm).16:19
SDuensinBut yea, multiplayer.  And very different from anything else. 16:19
+perlmonkey2SDuensin: there comes a time in every web dev's life where he just has to buckle down and become an expert at css design :P16:19
+perlmonkey2SDuensin: what platform and what's the client based on? 16:20
SDuensinOh, I can do it.  I just think it's 1000x more difficult than it needs to be.16:20
+perlmonkey2SDuensin: yeah, css is obviously duct tape and bailing wire.16:20
SDuensinCSS strikes me as a "solution" for the browser, not the designer.16:20
SDuensinAnyway, the entire thing runs in the browser.  No plugins or anything.16:21
+perlmonkey2SDuensin: did you see the GWT build of Quake?  JS can apparently do anything now.16:21
+bartjolcss is invented by webdesigners, making use of difference between browsers to supply themselves with a job16:21
SDuensinYep!  Go HTML5!16:21
* SDuensin loves GWT.16:22
+perlmonkey2bartjol: I think you are exactly right.16:22
+perlmonkey2CSS is a jobs program for web designers :P16:22
+perlmonkey2SDuensin: on my app I keep switching back and forth between dojo and GWT.  So I have two git branches that seem to progress about evenly as I get fed up and switch back.16:23
SDuensinhehe16:24
SDuensinYou know there's a Dojo thing for GWT, right?  You could hate both at the same time.16:24
SDuensinUiBinder is what brought me back to GWT.16:24
+perlmonkey2SDuensin: it would be nice to have access to dojo widgets in gwt, but that's not what I hate about it (lack of widgets).  It's the massive amount of boiler plate required to do anything interesting in Java.  I just can't stand having that much code around which does nearly nothing.16:25
+perlmonkey2SDuensin: and Dojo has Templated objects which are a lot like UiBinder GWT objects.16:25
SDuensinI don't seem to have that problem.  Quit learning to code in Java from the Eclipse guys.  :-P16:26
+perlmonkey2SDuensin: I tried to stick with Google's MVP paradigm, where you end up with three classes for every view, half of each one interface code for talking to other classes.16:26
SDuensinYea.  I didn't read that.  :-D16:27
+perlmonkey2probably why you love GWT :P16:27
SDuensinhehe16:27
SDuensinMy main complaint is wonky widgets.  The 2.x release (so far) seems to be stuck between worlds.  Half works in quirks mode and half works in standards mode.  No matter which you pick, you need something from the other.16:28
SDuensinLike the tab panels...  In standards mode, the crazy thing won't resize vertically when you add content to it.  How useless is that?  So I wrote my own.16:29
+perlmonkey2I tried using the Java framework on Google App Engine with GWT. At first it was nice to be able to move classes between client and server, but then I realized that the amout of code I needed to maintain to do this was not worth the trouble. JSON was not only faster in code, but faster TOO code, and way easier to maintain.16:29
+perlmonkey2SDuensin: hah, nice.16:29
+perlmonkey2SDuensin: I never used GWT in standards mode.  What did you use that required it?16:30
SDuensinI'm currently using GWT-RPC for, well, RPC.   Might move to JSON before it's all done so I can wrap the calls with validation/signature stuff.16:30
SDuensinI just decided to use it before I started the project.  Seems that's the way GWT is headed.16:30
SDuensinThis game would be done if I didn't spend days arguing with layout.  <sigh>16:31
+perlmonkey2SDuensin: I will say for GWT-RPC that being able to bubble exceptions from the server to client seamlessly is teh awesomez16:32
+perlmonkey2That's too bad.16:32
SDuensinYea, that is spiffy.  I don't do it though - not unless something goes horribly wrong in the server code.16:32
+perlmonkey2UiBinder is so poorly documented and has so many quirks, it is where I spent 90% of my gwt time.16:32
+perlmonkey2hmm, how did you pass back form validation errors?16:33
SDuensinThey won't get to the server unless the user spoofs an RPC packet.  At which point, the server basically replies with "What the hell?!"16:34
+perlmonkey2SDuensin: GWT googlers inform it is impossible to spoof an RPC packet.16:34
SDuensinYea.  Not sure I believe that one bit.16:34
SDuensinThe wire format isn't what I'd call complicated.16:35
+perlmonkey2They say if the initial handshake occurs, you can be 100% sure all client data is coming from that your client code.16:35
+perlmonkey2heh16:35
SDuensinGot a URL for that statement?16:35
+perlmonkey2SDuensin: no that came from a googler on irc.16:35
SDuensinInteresting.16:35
SDuensinI'd love it if that was the case.  I just don't see how they can prevent it.16:36
+perlmonkey2but, if someone spoofs the client, you don't care about bubbling back exceptions or alerting the client.  Just silently fail :)16:36
+perlmonkey2But I never thought it mattered.16:36
+perlmonkey2validate on the server, then fail quietly.  Let the hax0r figure out what went wrong.16:36
SDuensinThat's basically what I do.  The client does spiffy as-you-type validation.16:37
SDuensinBut like a good boy, my server code double-checks.16:37
+perlmonkey2for things like duplicate id's I wanted server side validation.  AJax client validation is too slow on Google App Engine with its 500ms queries.16:38
SDuensinNo AppEngine here.  Just GWT and Jetty.16:38
SDuensin(And MySQL and ImageMagick and...)16:39
+perlmonkey2If I would have built my app aroudn webgui I'd probably have finished months ago :P16:39
SDuensinMaybe for you.  Not me.  My Perl-Fu is nowhere near where my Java-Fu is.16:40
SDuensinAnd from my "Real Job", Perl has been giving me the heeby-jeebies.16:41
SDuensinI so wish I could share the code I deal with here.  It'd give that "WTF" web site material for years.16:42
+perlmonkey2hahaha16:42
+perlmonkey2One perk of Java is it is hard to write badly.  16:42
SDuensinMy Java code would scare you.  It's clean, well-named, *commented*, and more!16:43
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SDuensinI even abandoned my "works in every language" comment style and used JavaDoc.16:45
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+perlDreamerbartjol, got time to talk Cart template help?17:05
+bartjoloh, eeh yeah17:06
+bartjolactually I was analysing some stuff17:06
+bartjolcomparing might be a better word17:06
+bartjolhighlighted vars in code, now looking to the help17:07
+perlDreamerI know that there are extra variables in the help that aren't in the default template, but if you find more just post them here and I'll fix them.17:18
+bartjolperlDreamer: away, taking the kids to school?17:18
+bartjolah17:19
+perlDreamerjuggling multiple tasks17:19
+bartjolwell, I made a kind of list17:19
+bartjolthere are vars that can be removed and those that have to get in17:19
+perlDreamerpaste?17:20
+bartjolwell, I can't just  make a diff between the html and perl17:21
+bartjolbut you'll get it17:21
+perlDreamerokay :)17:21
+perlDreamerit is possible to ask a template to give you its variables17:22
+bartjolah17:22
+bartjol<tmpl_loop_all>17:22
+bartjol?17:22
+bartjolare those the vars that actually have a value? or reaally all vars?17:23
+perlDreamernope, I'm wrong17:24
+perlDreameryou can ask HTML::Template if a template variable exists in a template17:24
+perlDreamer$template->query17:24
+bartjolah, that is the wrong way around17:24
+perlDreamerbut with some regexp it's possible to extract them all.  might be more effort than it's worth for this case17:25
+bartjoloh, prolly I should check CartItem as well17:25
+bartjolmmm17:25
+bartjolwell, the way the vars are shifted into the hashref makes it difficult17:26
+bartjolespecially with loops17:26
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+perlDreamerpreaction, Haarg, patspam, we are 1 test away from PSGI merge success18:05
+perlDreamerException/app.t18:05
patspamwoot!18:05
+bartjolpatspam: why did you keep JT in New York? Now he missed Rory's wedding18:09
patspamI kidnapped him to work on all the webgui features I want in wg818:09
+bartjolah18:10
@preactionpatspam: so where are they? tell him to hurry up or we'll cut off his toes18:10
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patspamin my private branch :)18:10
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+bartjolSarah will take her revenge18:11
@preactionyou're reimplementing webgui to compete with us? nooooo!18:11
+perlDreamerpatspam, does t/Exception/app.t pass on your dev box?18:16
+perlDreamerI'm seeing a bug in HTTP::Exception on one test (it won't throw a 501 exception)18:17
+perlDreamerand two $@ stringification issues18:17
ckotilApproving version tags takes up 1 to hour to take affect.  (#11671) ++ awesome18:18
+perlDreamerckotil, we'd entertain a patch for that one18:18
ckotilthat's been irritating my users for a while. 18:18
ckotil:) ill see if i can squeeze it in.18:19
HaargperlDreamer, what do you mean by HTTP::Exception not being able to throw 501 ?18:25
+perlDreamerthe test in t/Exception/app.t tries to throw a 501 exception18:25
+perlDreamerthe status description is fine18:25
+perlDreamerbut the code returned by the callback is 500, not 50118:25
+perlDreamerHTTP::Exception doesn't test anything other than 50018:26
+perlDreamerhm18:30
+perlDreamerI wonder if test_psgi is catching the exception, and not propagating the status code based on that18:30
+perlDreamerno, looks like WebGUI::Middleware::HTTPExceptions is doing it18:35
Haarghttp://gist.github.com/45009718:38
+perlDreamerthanks, Haarg18:41
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CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r5b8cfe7 / t/Exception/app.t : Add missing Middleware for handling HTTP::Exceptions. - http://bit.ly/9dwUB418:42
+perlDreamerthe only tests I have failing now are POD, EMSSubmission, FormBuilder*, and i18n/template.t18:42
+perlDreamerpreaction: do you have the urge to merge?18:42
@preactionmy getEditForm stuff? i break everything18:42
@preactioni'll do it when i get back, for now either pick your own nit or pick a nit from the issue tracker18:43
* perlDreamer knits18:43
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * reed390e / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Shelf.pm : Prevent type-casting warning when a Product has no price. - http://bit.ly/92kvJM18:46
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r321f165 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Shelf.pm : Prevent type-casting warning when a Product has no price. - http://bit.ly/cL6kW518:46
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r8f04e12 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Shelf.pm : Prevent type-casting warning when a Product has no price. - http://bit.ly/cpd4lF18:47
+perlDreamerpreaction, you crack me up18:48
+perlDreameryou said WebGUI::Auth and 'sane' at the same time18:48
@preactionwell, we can't fix it entirely, but we can fix it a little, the most glaring stupidities18:49
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@preactionwe desperately need to get rid of H::T and H::T::E20:24
+perlDreamerbopbop, last release of WebGUI stable has a change to the CS you should know about20:24
@preactionfor performance!20:24
+perlDreamerif you're subscribed to a CS, the default Post Edit forms will not show you the subscribe buttons any longer20:25
+perlDreamerthis is to prevent the user (khenn) from double subscribing themselves to threads20:25
@bopbop:) lots of people complain about receiving duplicates, so good change20:25
@bopbopthx for the heads up20:26
@preactiondid we add "do not notify" as an option for admins who are editing posts for speeling?20:26
+perlDreameryes, pour speeling iz now a raizon fer knot knowtifying20:26
@khennnice20:26
@khennso the fix was to not allow users to subscribe to individual threads, only CS systems?20:27
@khennas opposed to building a single hash of subscribers and using the email group stuff?20:27
@preactionno. if they're subscribed to the CS, they are not allowed to subscribe to the Thread20:27
@khennah20:27
+perlDreamerif the user is subscribed to the CS, the default templates won't show them the subscribe button when they create a post20:27
+perlDreamerthe template code can be removed so the user can shoot themselves in the mail box20:28
@khenndoes the upgrade then remove users subscribed to the CS from the threads?20:28
+perlDreamerno20:28
+perlDreamerand the thread level viewing controls are still there20:28
+perlDreamerjust not the ones for edi20:28
+perlDreameredit20:28
@preactionooh, LWP::Curl is like 1000 / 33 times faster than LWP::UA20:28
+perlDreamerpreaction, can it really make the InterTubes run faster?20:31
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HaargperlDreamer, did you check what that patch i pasted earlier did?  i was still seeing a failure, but my battery was about to die20:46
+perlDreamerHaarg, made the tests pass beautifully20:47
+perlDreamerI committed it20:47
Haargok cool20:47
+perlDreamerwe're back to stable again20:47
+perlDreamerI've been working on leaks20:47
Haargnow we just need to get the merge taken care of20:47
+perlDreamermerge from master?20:47
+perlDreameryes20:47
Haargi have a merge very close to ready, but the last of it is pissing me off so i haven't gotten it done20:47
Haargi may just give you what i have and have you take a look at it ;)20:48
+perlDreameris it more session/indent stuff?20:48
+perlDreamerif so, I deserve to fix it20:48
Haargpost20:48
Haargand tests20:48
+perlDreamerpost?20:48
+perlDreamerAsset/Post?20:48
Haargyes20:48
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+perlDreameryeah, I can work on that20:49
+perlDreamerI'm clear the next 3 days for 8 work20:49
Haargi'm sure there are some other things i screwed up too but i need to get the merge itself done before i can start on testing20:50
+perlDreamerI think it would be easier if i cherry picked stuff into the 8 branch20:50
+perlDreamerI do most of the commit work in master/stable anyway20:50
* SDuensin chants, "Eight! Eight! Eight!"20:56
+perlDreamerYay, Term::ReadLine::GNU20:59
SDuensinIs there a way I can tell *for sure* which WRE I have?21:08
@preactionSDuensin: /data/wre/etc/wre.conf "version"21:08
@preactionif it's not in there, it's pre 0.8 and you should upgrade21:08
SDuensinThat's what I was afraid of.  0.9.2.21:08
SDuensinMan am I behind.21:09
+perlDreamer0.9.2'21:09
+perlDreamer0.9.3 is current21:09
+perlDreameryou're not that far behind21:09
* SDuensin won't tell you his WebGUI version.21:09
@preactionif we don't need mod_perl, and we can find replacements for Image::Magick (like a web service), what's left for the WRE to do? perl? that's easy to bundle (perlbrew)21:09
@preactionnginx perhaps?21:10
@preactionvarnish even?21:10
+perlDreamerthe WRE provides mysql21:11
+perlDreamerftp21:11
+perlDreamerfor backups21:11
+perlDreamerand, if recent notes are any indication, then people will still want PHP running beside WebGUI21:11
@preactionmysql isn't too bad. ftp client, Net::FTP no?21:11
@preactionwell, they can get their own apache for that21:11
@preactionhell, varnish might even be a better solution than nginx, if varnish supports sendfile21:12
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SDuensinJust make it a distro and be done with it.21:17
@preactionvarnish supports ESI and is designed to be highly scalable as a frontend proxy (where nginx is an http server, but we have Plack/Starman as our http server)21:17
@preactioni wish it were that easy21:17
SDuensinAnd we're now WRE '93!21:19
@preactionbut it's 2010!21:19
SDuensinTold you I was out of date!21:19
SDuensinHmm.  webguiupdate.pl is bombing out on line 68.  Can't start making a backup for some reason.21:25
@preactionout of disk? not running as root?21:25
@preactionbad mysql root password?21:26
+perlDreamerrunning webguiupdate is a bad idea, if you're really out of date, SDuensin21:26
SDuensinNo.  No.  No.  :-)21:26
SDuensinNot *that* out of date.21:26
SDuensinUpdating my modules with testEnvironment.21:27
SDuensinApparently, tar is broken.  It can't extract the update either.21:30
SDuensinI have 7.7.32 and want to go to 7.8.22.  Should I download the latest, unpack on top, and run the update by hand?21:31
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+perlDreameryes21:34
@preactionno21:34
@preactionhttp://www.webgui.org/wiki/stop-versions < SDuensin 21:34
SDuensinWell, here's a new annoying feature of the WebGUI site...  Where the !$#&*( is just WebGUI?21:34
@preactionupdate.webgui.org21:34
+perlDreamerLARGE DOWNLOAD LINK?21:35
SDuensinTHanks.21:35
SDuensinHow do I read that "stop" list?  Do I stop at 7.7.33 or 7.8?21:36
@preactionyou stop at 7.7.33 before you upgrade to any 7.8 version21:36
@preactionshould we start using $s instead of $session?21:36
SDuensinI clicked Download.  It takes me to WRE stuff.  So I read "Upgrading" that takes me to getwebgui.com which sends me back to where I began.21:36
@preactionSDuensin: download source21:37
SDuensinYea.  Then it says "DON'T DO THAT!"   :-P21:37
@preactionbut you were told to by us schmot guys21:37
SDuensinBut that is where I was headed when you told me to pop over to update.webgui.org.21:38
+perlDreamerpreaction, WBGP says always use good variable names21:38
@preactionCat uses $c, because $context is very long, and $c is used everywhere21:38
@preactionWebGUI's Session is $c and more21:38
+perlDreamerCatalyst is for retarded dogs that eat their own poop21:38
+perlDreamerWe have to write our own good code21:39
@preactionbut there are more Cat devs than WebGUI devs. and we're not talking electricity or water here, things don't flow downhill21:39
@preactionwait, we are talking electricity, they flow to least resistance21:39
@preactionoh, new WebGUI policy: the php kids are not our competition by any means21:40
@preactionthey aren't even in the same GALAXY as us21:40
@preactioni want to write a Perl::Critic policy about doing my $session = $self->session as the second line of a www_ sub21:41
@preactionso if we're going to do that, why not go $s?21:41
+perlDreamerwhat does $s mean?21:42
@preactionand make my ( $url, $db ) = $s->quick(...); as the third line21:42
@preactionsession21:42
@preactionwhat does $c mean?21:42
+perlDreamer$cat21:42
@preactionwhat does the little icon with the yellow pencil on top of a page mean?21:42
+perlDreamer$conundrum21:42
+perlDreamerI don't have one of those21:42
@preactionthe little arrow pointing to the left? what does that mean?21:42
+perlDreamerexit on left side of road21:43
@preactionthe star icon in chrome?21:43
@preactionoh, but i'm in a web browser, now what does it mean?21:43
+perlDreamerleft21:43
+perlDreamer$s is meaningless21:43
@preactionsorry, it means "back", but i know this21:43
+perlDreamerif you hate $session21:43
@preactionit gets assigned meaning21:43
+perlDreamerthen write an editor macro that expands $s to something with meaning21:43
@preaction$r in ModPerl, for example21:44
@preactionis Apache2::RequestRec object21:44
+perlDreameronly as a badly written example that saves 6 characters, and confuses people with $request, and $response21:44
+perlDreamerdude, don't confuse cool/lazy with good21:44
+perlDreamersome laziness is good21:44
+perlDreamerthat level of laziness is bad21:45
SDuensinI say name it $x to keep everyone guessing!21:45
+perlDreamerhow 'bout $?21:45
+perlDreamerwe can even localize it so it won't affect anywhere else21:45
SDuensinIsn't that the exit status in bash?21:45
+perlDreameryup, also in perl21:46
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SDuensin7.7.33 running.  Headed to 7.8.x!21:51
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SDuensinIs there something screwy in testEnvironment?  It keeps telling me I have JavaScript Packer 0.02 and need 0.04.  When CPAN goes to install it, it says I already have 0.04.21:51
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SDuensinNM.  Did it by hand and now it's happy.  Who knows.21:53
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@preactionjust caught the tail-end of Exporter::Proxy talk, we should use it for WebGUI::Asset* so that Perl::Critic stfu about it23:02
@preactionor something23:02
Haargor we could just stick it into one file23:02
@preactionwith our "alphabetized method names" policy, that may cause more confusion23:03
Haargchange the policy23:03
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+perlDreameryeah, stick it into 1 file23:32
+perlDreamerpreaction, it's also not just Perl::Critic, but Pod::Coverage23:33
@preactioni thought we already had a test for pod::coverage23:34
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+perlDreamerwe do, but since the Asset*.pm files stuff methods in the Asset.pm, they all report as having no POD23:35
+perlDreamerso they fail23:35
+perlDreamerand the test has no value for Asset.pm, since it can't tell what's covered, and what's not23:36
@preactionah23:40
+perlDreamerI'll file it as a bug in 823:43
+perlDreamerpreaction: is there any way that you don't want it fixed?23:43
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CIA-59WebGUI: translation * r12527 /translations/German/German/ (4 files): Updating German on translation server00:00
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+perlDreamerHaarg, I know what's up with the weird scratch data01:09
+perlDreamerit counts rows in userSessionScratch table01:09
+perlDreamerand each session can have multiple scratch entries01:10
+perlDreamerso the monitor for that should be improved01:10
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+perlDreamerpatspam, can we move WebGUI8/TODO into the WebGUI8 bug tracker?03:31
patspamheya03:31
patspamgood idea03:31
+perlDreamerI think Form::param might already be done03:31
+perlDreamersince the Form tests are passing03:31
+perlDreamermaybe we need to do a WebGUI8 pow-wow sometime in the next few days to reevaluate current status03:32
+perlDreamerHaarg, I'm still tracking down leaky sessions.  They only happen in 803:39
+perlDreamerafter I finish that yak, I can either tackle the latest master merge, or converting WWW::Mech to WWW::Mech::PSGI 03:40
+perlDreamerhm, there are the little leakers03:48
+perlDreamerThey're in Exception/app.t03:48
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SDuensinMorning.16:07
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kayiwaI'm having difficulty installing Image::Magick with using wre-0.9.3-rhel-5-ia32.tar.gz18:42
kayiwa./testEnvironment.pl fails with The required ImageMagick libraries are not installed or not installed properly.18:43
+perlDreamerImage::Magick comes with the WRE18:43
+perlDreameryou shouldn't need to install it18:43
+perlDreamerif it says you're missing, the most likely reason is that your shell environment doesn't have the WRE perl libraries in it18:44
+perlDreamerif you type "which perl", it should say /data/wre/.....18:44
+perlDreamerif it doesn't say that, then you need to source the setenvironment.sh script from /data/wre/sbin18:44
kayiwadata]# which perl18:44
+perlDreamer. /data/wre/sbin/setenvirontment.sh18:44
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * reafb167 / eg/README : Add a missing newline. -18:45
kayiwahmmmm that's odd18:47
kayiwano such file or directory18:47
kayiwaeven though it sits right there18:47
+perlDreamerHaarg, the cleanup monitoring code is called in _initSession18:47
+perlDreamerbut in the plack tests, no session is made for the test, since it's done in the plack app18:47
kayiwawhich perl == /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl18:48
+perlDreamerkayiwa, that's good18:48
+perlDreamerand if you run testEnvironment.pl, it says you need to have Image::Magick?18:48
kayiwaassuming if I run testEnvironment it will install?18:48
+perlDreamershouldn't need it18:49
+perlDreamersince it comes with the WRE18:49
+perlDreamerbut do try again, to make sure that all the other required modules are there18:49
+perlDreamerHaarg, I'd like to move the monitoring code into import18:49
kayiwamy modperl fails to run with [Thu Jun 24 09:32:12 2010] [error] Can't load '/data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/i686-linux/auto/Image/Magick/Magick.so' for module Image::Magick: libgomp.so.1:18:50
+perlDreamerhm, that won't work either, since we need a session to run the counts...18:50
+perlDreamerkayiwa, that's not a perl problem18:50
+perlDreamerthe problem is that your system doesn't have libgomp installed18:51
+perlDreamerthat's in the install notes for using Red Hat style OSes18:51
+perlDreamer"On RHEL 5 or higher you need to install the libgomp RPM."18:51
+perlDreamerthat includes CentOS, Scientific Linux, and Fedora18:52
kayiwaAH! Thanks!19:03
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CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rd6be3a1 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Enable optional, verbose test debug output. - http://bit.ly/aghlRK20:52
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r808f38b / t/Exception/app.t : Session cleanup for t/Exception/app.t - http://bit.ly/aXz7R720:53
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+perlDreamerhowdy, patspam22:36
patspamohio!22:36
+perlDreamerare you still YAPCing?22:37
patspamphone, brb22:37
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patspamperlDreamer: yeah still at YAPC22:48
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+perlDreamerX has been quite dodgy since that last bit of upgrades22:51
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CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r3fbc109 / (53 files in 13 dirs): Update Session->Style setScript to default to text/javascript. Update the entire codebase to take advantage of it. - http://bit.ly/dt2EW323:08
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CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r9678c3d / (5 files in 4 dirs): Convert Shop::Pay to use Moose instead of Class::InsideOut. Update tests, and core usages to Moose syntax. Provide a shim so the old, base ->new($session) syntax. - http://bit.ly/cf6gPi23:32
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CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r6ac0aa9 / (4 files in 3 dirs): Update Shop::Ship to use Moose instead of C::IO. Update tests, and core code. Provide a shim for the old syntax. - http://bit.ly/9EidP523:42
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CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r298cc41 / lib/WebGUI/Shop/Ship.pm : Add a missing module required for BUILDARGS; - http://bit.ly/alBVUt00:42
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * reb96c07 / (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Pay.pm lib/WebGUI/Shop/Ship.pm): No need for a ref HASH check. - http://bit.ly/cVX6wN00:46
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SDuensinMorning.16:45
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+bartjoloh, it's friday!16:55
SDuensinYES!16:55
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+bartjolso, only 7 hours for you left17:10
+bartjolmmm, that new shop template is confusing'17:16
@preactionthe new cart?17:37
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+perlDreamerbartjol, did you finish the cart template comparison?18:08
+bartjolyeah, I did, but it is acoustic (on paper)18:09
+bartjolI am sorry about that18:12
+bartjolmmm, i can do that now18:12
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+perlDreamerbartjol, maybe you could mail me the paper18:14
+perlDreamerthat would work18:14
+bartjolbelieve me, it wouldn't18:14
+bartjolyou do have openoffice?18:15
+perlDreamerI do18:16
+bartjolok, that'll be a threecoumn spreadsheet: template help, real template and a boolean: attention needed18:17
+perlDreamercool, I should be able to whip that out pretty easily next week18:33
+bartjolyeah, it is not that difficult18:33
+perlDreamerpreaction, are you full of new YAPC-goodness for WebGUI8?18:33
@preactionindeed18:33
+perlDreamerwhat's the new game plan?18:36
@preactionsame game plan, new features18:37
+bartjolperlDreamer: it is on it's way18:47
+bartjoldoes it make sense to you?18:49
+perlDreameryeah, it does18:51
+perlDreamerpreaction, does anything on the 8 bug tracker need to be updated, or is it still fair game to work on things from there?18:51
@preactionstill fair game, go for it18:51
@preactionjust new things, nothing is changing, but things are being added18:51
+bartjolyou want some visual extra's, smileys that look sad if it doesn't fit?18:52
+perlDreamerit would help me if there were rationale behind some of the changes (old, existing ones, and new ones)18:52
+bartjolwell, the ones that existed are in the template help ( so the 1 in that column)18:53
+bartjolit hasn't altered18:53
+bartjolit is not old vs new but help vs code18:53
+perlDreameryes.  It looks like we need to add about 15-20, and move some around18:54
+bartjolwhere help resembles old and code resembles new18:54
+perlDreamerwhich is odd, because I had thought that I documented them all18:54
+bartjolyeah, that was why I made the "pay attention" column18:55
+bartjolwell, even geniusses let fall a stab18:55
+perlDreamerexactly18:55
+perlDreamerso....18:56
+perlDreamerwhere does that leave me?18:56
+bartjolsomewhere in the gutter18:56
+bartjolbut, you have the overview, and will be able to, in your superior English, fill in the gaps18:57
* bartjol is reading is dictionary like a madman at the moment18:57
+bartjolbut, can I help?18:58
+bartjolI just need a lot of nonsense to spouse something usefull, as you will be aware off18:58
+bartjolplain statistics18:59
+bartjolperlDreamer: I can type more compact with less nonsense if it irritates you19:03
+perlDreamerno bartjol, it's fine19:03
+perlDreamerToday I'm slotted to do WebGUI8 work19:03
@preactionyay 8!19:03
+bartjolok, if you need some help with it, let me know19:03
+perlDreamerbut the template help will be #1 on my bugfixing list for Monday19:03
+bartjolI'll be off19:03
+perlDreameroff?19:03
+perlDreamerlike gone?19:03
+bartjolto beer19:03
+perlDreamerif you want to drink beer on Monday, I won't stop you19:04
+bartjolno turned off, like a kitchen utility (I was gonna say computer)19:04
+bartjolno I meant now19:04
+perlDreamerwell, in that case, have some good beer now19:05
+bartjolI will19:05
+bartjolhave a nice weekend and don't ask your wife for pictures of me in suit19:05
+perlDreameryou look funny when you dance with a purple octopus on your head19:06
+bartjoleeeh, I missed that one19:06
+bartjolhow nuch did I have for drinks?19:06
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+perlDreamerHaarg, I'm tinkering with tests, so if you want help with the latest master merge just holler19:22
HaargperlDreamer, http://www.webgui.org/community/webgui-8/issues/11682 doesn't seem right19:29
HaargException/app.t doesn't use mechanize19:29
+perlDreamerno, it uses WebGUI::Middleware::Session19:30
+perlDreamerthat creates a session19:30
Haargbut doesn't clean up the scratch19:30
@preactionnot-so-quick question: when someone auths with Twitter, what should I do? create them a user with their twitter screen name (unless it already exists, then what?)19:31
Haargbut the title of that bug says it is something with mechanize19:31
@preactioni'm thinking i try to see if their twitter userId already exists, and log them into that, otherwise try to create a user with their twitter screen name, otherwise ask them for a desired username19:31
+perlDreamerHaarg, it only happens with tests that use Test::WWW::Mechanize::PSGI19:36
HaargException/app.t doesn't use that19:36
+perlDreamerit doesn't?19:36
Haargno19:36
+perlDreamerwhat provides test_psgi?19:36
HaargPlack::Test19:36
+perlDreamerI'll edit the bug title19:37
+perlDreamerso, now that nomenclature is all cleared up19:38
+perlDreamerany ideas why the middleware I wrote doesn't work?19:38
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@scrottiemornin'19:39
Haargmorning19:39
@scrottieno trouble re-acclimating to west coast time.19:39
Haargbecause that won't always be called at the right time, or at all19:39
+perlDreamerHaarg, have you ran that test yet?19:40
HaargperlDreamer, look at response_cb19:40
Haargin WebGUI::Middleware::Session19:40
+perlDreamerthe only test in there that leaks is the one that returns a 200 HTTP response19:41
@preactionawesome! it works!19:49
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HaargperlDreamer, 20:02
+perlDreameryessir?20:02
Haargwith both branches up to date, git checkout WebGUI8; git merge master; git ls-files | sort -u | xargs rm; curl http://haarg.org/merge-progress.tar.gz | tar xzf -20:04
Haargactually wait a minute, it hasn't uploaded fully yet20:04
+perlDreamercool20:05
+perlDreamerI'd rather work on this, since a lot of the mech tests need FormBuilder to work correctly20:05
Haargyeah20:06
Haargupload is finished20:07
+perlDreamerholy crap20:09
@scrottie?20:10
+perlDreamer~ 500 files20:10
+perlDreameris that right, Haarg?20:10
Haargwell, a lot of stuff is already resolved20:10
Haargyou'll have to check for merge markers20:10
+perlDreamerHaarg, does the reference branch that you use have the DBI changes merged in?20:15
Haargi'm using current master and WebGUI820:15
+perlDreamerI'm seeing stuff like this:  WebGUI::SQL::st20:16
Haargin one of the tests?20:16
+perlDreamerShop/Taxes/Generic20:16
+perlDreamert/Shop/TaxDriver/Generic.t20:17
+perlDreamersorry20:17
Haargyeah, there was other stuff around there i wasn't sure of so i didn't resolve that part of the test20:18
HaargWebGUI::SQL::st is correct20:18
* perlDreamer is definitely going to start cherry picking into WebGUI8, at least the tests20:35
Haargthere's been a lot of reformatting that wasn't really needed that makes stuff a lot harder20:40
+perlDreamerremoving the SKIP blocks20:41
* perlDreamer is just burning, doing the three-merge dance21:10
@preactionanyone got time for comments on the new twitter auth stuff? just have to i18n and template and i can merge21:26
@preactionhttp://github.com/preaction/webgui/tree/multiauth21:26
+perlDreamerpreaction, that's an entire tree21:32
+perlDreamerwhere should we start?21:32
+perlDreamerare there docs?  README? tests?21:32
@preactionWebGUI::Auth::Twitter WebGUI::Macro::TwitterLogin21:32
+perlDreamerthere's no POD21:33
@preactionyep, working on it21:33
+perlDreamerand no tests21:33
@preactionyep, working on it21:34
+perlDreamerwhat is it supposed to do?21:35
+perlDreamerdoes it allow the user to push content from WebGUI into the Twitter stream?21:37
@preactionit allows a WebGUI user to be created from a Twitter user21:43
@preactionso you can login to WebGUI with your twitter account21:43
@preactionmuch like how Facebook or OpenID or other distributed authen systems work21:43
@preactionthe Macro creates a button, you click the button, and you get logged in to the WebGUI site (creating a new user if necessary)21:44
+perlDreamerdoes it need the same kind of options that LDAP does, this seems like it has autoCreateUsers on by default21:45
+perlDreamerin comparison21:45
@preactionif it's enabled, you want autocreate users21:46
@preactionthere's no other way to do it really21:46
@preactiondocs done, i18n next21:53
+perlDreamerYou're awesome!  Chief among programmers.22:19
+perlDreamerI didn't even mention i18n, and here you are cranking it out22:19
@preactionactually, already done. templating now22:22
@preactionand i realized another thing we can remove in 8, the selection of a "Default Auth Type". all visitors should specify how they are creating their user22:23
+perlDreamerAnd Admins control that by limiting anonymous registration, and which auth types the site uses22:24
@preactionand auth does too much, it also handles setting up default profile fields. that should not be part of Auth (because it would have to be inherited)22:24
@preactionwell, you should be able to disable any auth type from settings22:24
@preactionbut if it's enabled, a user can create themselves with it, and a user can log in with it22:24
+perlDreamerseems like the scope is growing, this isn't all for 8.0 is it?22:25
@preactionthis stuff i'm doing now is 7.9, but 8 is the time where i want to write 2 lines of code to delete 2022:25
@preactionthey're all just tickets in the 8 helpdesk, we don't have to complete them all. if we miss some, they'll be bumped to 922:26
+perlDreamerokay22:26
@preactionbut auth is annoying enough that i want to get a bunch of things done to fix it, even if we can't rebuild from scratch22:27
+perlDreamerwhat's the "write 2 lines to delete 20" part?22:31
+perlDreamerjust 1 more test to merge, then I can start running the test suite22:33
@preactionthere are many "features" in webgui that have been slowly added onto until they're 100 lines long and then copied in three other places in webgui, or otherwise could be reimplemented in a better, more efficient, smaller way22:41
@preactioni want them all, or as many as i can get22:41
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+perlDreameryeah23:20
+perlDreamerthey'll make great roles23:20
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* perlDreamer will be in and out the rest of the afternoon. I'll backlog if anyone leaves a message.00:04
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@scrottieI've been slightly in limbo (always something I could be doing, of course) waiting for project details from Frank so I've mostly been catching up on personal email and such.00:52
@scrottieI think I'm going to go afk for an errand, come back for a while and just look at this alumni code, then plan to spend Sunday afternoon/eve on this if I get project details by then.00:53
@scrottieThe Perl Foundation is talking about using WebGUI for that site.  I might offer to help.  I need to see.01:02
@scrottieit would be a matter of migrating data.01:02
+perlDreamerwe got people that can help with that, scrottie01:09
@scrottiereally!01:11
@scrottienice.01:11
@scrottieif we can commit to anything, we should send Gabor Szabo a note.01:13
+perlDreamerif they want to move the site, I think we can make that happen01:15
+perlDreamerjust know that I can't commit PlainBlack to anything01:15
+perlDreameronly preaction, or vrby, or JT can do that01:15
+perlDreamerbut for writing scripts that translate data from CMS-1 to WebGUI, shouldn't be all that hard01:15
@preactionwell, technically neither can i. business decisions such as that aren't me01:15
+perlDreamerbut we can still volunteer indendent time, yeah?01:16
@preactionof course01:16
@preactionand hell, you can volunteer my time as well01:16
@preactionbut i can't cut into Frank time01:16
+perlDreamerwe'll drag frank into it01:16
+perlDreamerhe won't have any choice01:16
@preactionhe does have the most experience with migrating random data to WebGUI data01:17
@preactionbut yes, get me some details and i'll put my hat into the ring01:18
+perlDreamerscrottie, get us hooked up!01:18
@scrottieI'll send you what very little information I have.01:18
* preaction will kill his parents for a "Powered By WebGUI" on a major Perl community site01:18
@preactionhmmm. perhaps adding a bitcard auth module would sweeten the pot01:28
+perlDreamerHaarg, git did a very strange thing01:28
+perlDreamerit replace t/Asset/File/setfile.t with an old copy of t/Config.t01:29
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@scrottiehrm, maybe rather than downloading alumni assets I should just sshfs mount this puppy with fuse...01:35
@preactionprobably best. that site's like 16G by now probably01:35
+perlDreamerisn't it in a repo?01:35
@preactionthe uploads folder01:36
@scrottiethe uploads?  guess not.01:36
@scrottiegot the code from a repo.01:36
+perlDreamerright01:36
+perlDreamerassets = collateral/uploads01:36
@scrottiealright, replied to his reply and cc'd both of you.01:37
+perlDreamerscrottie, does he want to move the whole site, or just the Wiki?01:39
@scrottiethink anyone will freak out if I put a key in authorized_keys on dusk?01:39
@scrottienot sure.  I asked for clarification.01:40
@scrottieand it might be worth making sure that they're going to be happy with the WebGUI Wiki before migrating them.01:40
+perlDreameryeah, totally01:40
@preactionscrottie: go ahead. your user account is your own, set up your ssh config / keys as you will01:40
@scrottiecool01:41
@preactionindeed. the webgui wiki may be limited compared to socialtext01:41
@scrottieI'm not sure why they aren't happy with the SocialText Wiki but I know that they are and I don't think it's a matter of features.01:42
@scrottieit might be a matter of easy hackability and I'm not sure if WebGUI would be a big improvement in that case.01:42
@scrottieof course, I think everyone should be using TinyWiki ;)01:42
@preactionif socialtext supports some kind of SSO (TypeKey, OAuth, whathaveyou) they could live side-by-side01:44
@preactions/socialtext/whatever they want/01:44
@scrottieer, know that they aren't.  ahem.01:50
+perlDreamerHaarg, there's missing code in the merge, too01:51
+perlDreamerthe Session/Id changes01:51
+perlDreameraren't in this merge01:51
@preactionheh, i have no idea how i would go about testing this Twitter auth module. WWW::Mech through the Twitter parts?01:54
@preactionask WebGUI, get the redirect, use Mech to get the redirect and travel through it till i'm back to WebGUI again maybe?01:55
+perlDreamerI'd mock the whole HTTP part01:55
+perlDreamerwell....01:55
+perlDreamerno, I'd get a developer account for their auth module01:55
+perlDreamerand setup tests that really test the real thing01:55
+perlDreamerbut I'd drive it through the API01:55
@preactionwe have a "test API key", i made one01:55
@preactionso refactor to make it testable?01:56
@preactionhmm... have to figure out how it needs to work, but should be doable01:56
+perlDreamerthere's things missing out of Mail::Send.t, too02:06
+perlDreamerI'm starting to think it's safer to go back and cherry pick them all 1 by 102:07
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HaargperlDreamer, the things you are finding are mistakes i made in the merge03:15
@scrottieHaaaaaaaaaaarg!  okay, going to go catch up with the girl.  I'll be around Sunday.03:21
@scrottiethen next Sat, it's Nearly Naked Theater Co's production of Evil Dead:  The Musical03:21
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+perlDreamerHaarg, so should we redo, or maybe merge in smaller chunks at a time, or cherry pick, or...?04:52
+perlDreamerI'm worried that the three I've seen are eclipsed by others that I haven't seen yet04:52
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+perlDreamertaking it in one release size chunks seems to be more manageable06:09
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+perlDreamergood to be home, patspam?06:18
+patspamI want to be back in air-con!06:18
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+perlDreamerHaarg, I merged in up to 7.9.5 release by hand07:19
+perlDreamerit's a lot more manageable07:19
+perlDreamerright now, I have a bunch of failing tests, but I'll fix them, then commit that chunk07:20
+perlDreamerand I'll try to continue merging in two-week chunks07:20
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CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rb30491f / : (log message trimmed)09:28
CIA-59webgui: Merge commit '808a866c8b2a426e4958d38c34e8753a8555fc90' into webgui8. 7.9.4 release point09:28
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@preactiondamnit. i need to refactor Auth to make a separate "Initial Profile" form for all the required profile fields (what if they don't login with a password?)16:49
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+perlDreamerHaarg, can we rewrite Test::Deep to get rid of the UNIVERSAL::isa/can problem?22:17
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@scrottieI'm not sure what to do with Gabor.  He was asking me for help with the Wiki before but he's being very little help himself now.21:58
@scrottieshould I continue to try to push this forward?22:03
@preactionlet me upgrade my linode to 7.9.x and set up a site they can play around with22:13
@preactiongreat. the 7.9.x upgrade path isn't documented.22:15
@scrottieI should start a linode kindergarten where peoples linodes can go to play together.22:17
@preactionjust beware of viruses and skinned firewalls22:18
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CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r385931a / : Merge commit 'f2e0fb509a2ef45c200945ed1ea2e9046d900704' into WebGUI8. Some tests still failing. - http://bit.ly/cGeXSP08:34
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CIA-59WebGUI: translation * r12528 /translations/German/German/ (WebGUI.pm AuthWebGUI.pm): Updating German on translation server09:59
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SDuensinGreetings.16:15
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@preactionIt's a good WebGUI day!18:11
@preactionwhat have we all added to 7.9 so far?18:17
@preactionCHI, Wiki category and category hierarchy18:17
@preactionsoon multiauth and twitter auth18:17
* SDuensin still doesn't "get" twitter.18:17
@preactionit's just authing against a Twitter account18:18
@preactionmaking that possible opens us up to finally have OpenID and Facebook Connect18:18
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+perlDreamermorning, everyone18:29
SDuensinHey perlDreamer18:33
+perlDreamerYo, SD18:33
@preactionhttp://www.webgui.org/forums/dev/webgui-7.9-schedule <- comments from peanut gallery?18:51
@preactionperlDreamer: especially you, does the schedule seem feasible if i'm helping make 7.9 go stable as fast as humanely possible?18:51
+perlDreamerIs it risky to move the URL changing stuff back from 8 into 7.9?18:51
+perlDreamerpreaction, there are more bugs coming in than I can fix in 2 days18:52
+perlDreamerany and all help is appreciated18:52
@preactionno, i've always had the plan to do it in 7.9. it's really a copy/paste job18:52
+perlDreamerin that case, I've no concerns about it18:52
@preactionYAPC gave me wonderful ideas on how to make things work: put the bare minimum API in and let people layer on top of that.18:52
@preactionMake Something Possible and someone later can Make Something Wonderful18:52
+perlDreamerdesign by evolution18:53
+perlDreamervery perly of you :)18:53
@preactionindeed18:53
@preactionall this will be is sub dispatch( $url ) { return $content || 0; }18:53
@preactionalso, thanks to your hard work and your continual vigilance, we are quickly getting clear of technical debt18:54
+perlDreamerit's paying off in 818:54
@preactioni can do wacky shit like this and not fear breaking things because the tests18:54
+perlDreamerwell, the front end is still not well tested18:54
+perlDreamerbut with Plack, we can really change that18:54
@preactionif i merge something would anyone have a chance to look for a few minutes and see if it's possible to test the one method i can't figure out?18:57
+perlDreameryes18:57
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@preactioni've got everything tested except this, it relied heavily on a web service and won't work without the web server responding correctly18:57
* preaction <3 git18:58
@preactionclean merge after rebase, now a simple push and there you go18:58
@preactionbob's your uncle!18:58
CIA-59webgui: Doug Bell master * rda49818 / lib/WebGUI/Macro/TwitterLogin.pm : fix docs (+24 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/92SWXJ18:58
@preactionoh snap, gotta add modules to testEnvironment.pl18:59
@preactionfucking preload needs to GO AWAY...18:59
CIA-59webgui: Doug Bell master * r121a55d / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : add Net::Twitter requirement - http://bit.ly/9OlPBN19:01
@preactionperlDreamer: t/Auth/Twitter.t has a comment about www_callback, that's the one I can't get19:02
@preactioni tried to think how i could refactor it, but couldn't see how it would make any difference19:03
+perlDreamerlet me stash this template variable work, and I'll do a pull19:03
+perlDreamerI don't think you need to do anything with that one.19:06
@preactionit's the decision process that i have trouble with19:06
@preactionit auto-creates a user, or it asks for a new username19:06
+perlDreameryou should mock up a Net::Twitter object to return data19:06
@preactioni mean, i know the auto-create works, but WHY does auto-create happen compared to non-auto-create19:07
+perlDreamerso that you can walk the various paths19:07
@preactionokay, so i just need to understand how N::T is doing what it's doing and mock the two or three methods that I use19:07
+perlDreamerTemplate->new in getTemplateChooseUsername needs to check that it actually got a template19:08
+perlDreamerre, www_callback, yes19:09
+perlDreameralso, for the tests, you may want to setup the same kind of optional username/password handling that I did for the USPS and ITransact drivers19:11
+perlDreamersince I'm guessing they'll fail for users without Twitter auth keys?19:11
@preactionright19:11
@preactionthat's handled in the TwitterLogin macro, it won't show unless twitter is all configured properly19:12
+perlDreamerand the current Auth/Twitter tests don't actually dial up Twitter19:13
+perlDreamerso that's fine19:13
+perlDreamerIs the WebGUI8 team going to silo themselves for the hackathon?19:13
@preactioni know i am, because i'll probably be very very late19:14
@preactionin fact, by the hackathon, all my shit needs to be Done Done Done (so JT can have his keynote)19:14
+perlDreamerif FormBuilder is all merged in, then 8 will be in great shape19:20
@preactionright, and hopefully this week i'll get the last two bits i need to be able to merge19:20
+perlDreamerI merged in 6 weeks of master in over the weekend19:25
+perlDreamershould be fully merged in a week or so19:25
@preactionyay!19:27
@preactionand now i just added a fun bit of more merging for you!19:27
+perlDreamernew files shouldn't be a problem :)19:28
+perlDreamerbut Haarg is right, we're not doing ourselves any favors by changing whitespace, or pulling session methods19:28
+perlDreamerit makes the merging much more difficult19:28
+perlDreameralso, when new fields are added to an Asset, it sucks in the whole definition subroutine19:28
@preactionwhenever i commit i diff to make absolutely sure i only changed the lines that changed content. any whitespace only changes get reverted19:28
* perlDreamer is quite guilty of whitespace19:29
@preactionbecause of this. it's a bitch to merge whitespace19:29
@preactionespecially when you're like "wait. what changed?!"19:29
@preactionoh... those 8 spaces used to be 2 tabs!19:29
Haargat least with listchars that is usually pretty easy to spot19:34
HaargperlDreamer, the author of Test::Deep doesn't seem interested in fixing the isa/can bugs19:34
+perlDreamerTest::Deep is open source19:34
+perlDreamerTest::Deep::Silenced19:35
+perlDreamerTest::Deep::Canless19:35
@preactionTest::Deep not on github yet? sounds like a problem to fix19:36
Haargit's probably on gitpan19:36
Haarghttps://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=3039419:37
+perlDreamerAndy's patch still uses UNIVERSAL::can19:41
Haargyeah, the patch isn't good19:41
Haargbut that isn't why it was rejected19:42
+perlDreamerI see19:44
+perlDreamerthe part about warning about using UNIVERSAL, and not wanting to change behavior19:44
+perlDreamerhowever, if we provided a patch that didn't use UNIVERSAL that passed his suite, maybe he'd accept it anyway19:44
Haargmaybe.  but he pretty specifically didn't want to fix the bug.19:45
scrottiewhitespace fixes when you aren't merging.  perltidy the whole ball of wax when everything is merged and working ;)19:58
Haargyes19:58
Haargthat's the plan19:58
@preactionand we've had a perltidyrc file for a while, but nobody's done it (not even the author of the rc file, me)20:06
+perlDreamerthat's because everyone who has tried has has ended up with broken WebGUI's after the tidy has run20:26
+perlDreamerincluding me20:26
* perlDreamer takes the kids out for piano lessons20:37
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+perlDreamerscrottie, you're very persistent.23:46
@scrottie?23:47
+perlDreamerabout this perl foundation web site thing23:47
@scrottieoh.  just trying not to drop the ball.23:47
HaargperlDreamer, can you think of any sensitive data we store in scratch?23:48
@scrottieit's probably going nowhere.  Gabor was probably talking out his ass.23:48
@scrottieI'm guessing it was the prospect of free labor from spatspam, not the software, that interested him.23:48
@scrottieand I think he wanted the labor from patspam because patspam has a far better haircut than I do.23:49
+perlDreamerHaarg, yes23:49
+perlDreamerThe new Twitter auth module stores stuff in scratch23:49
Haargis that really sensitive though?23:50
+perlDreamerthe words Token, TokenSecret, and userId make me nervous23:50
+perlDreamerthe CSRF token is stored in Scratch, too23:51
+perlDreamerwhy do you ask about it?23:51
Haargbecause i'm considering pushing sessions into cookies23:51
+perlDreamerwhat's the advantage of doing that?23:52
Haargless db23:52
+perlDreameryou guys all know that I'm just a dumb electrical engineer who types fast and doesn't mind doing grunt work23:52
+perlDreamerso I don't understand the reasoning behind 3/4's of the things on the bug board23:53
+perlDreamerit just says, "We should XYZ"23:53
+perlDreamerwith no reasoning behind it23:53
+perlDreameranything from, "It just pisses me off"23:53
+perlDreamerto "It's programmatically superior due to ..."23:53
+perlDreamerwould help23:53
Haargpreventing tampering is needed, but i don't know that there is any data in there that can't be shown to the user23:53
Haargmost of the stuff i've posted there is stuff i plan to do myself but just want to make sure it is recorded somewhere23:54
+perlDreamerI guess as long as the cookie can't be hijacked, or sniffed, it should be fine right?23:54
Haargsniffed?23:55
+perlDreamerusing javascript from one site to read a cookie set by another23:55
Haargi don't believe that is possible23:56
+perlDreamerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_cookie#Cookie_theft23:57
Haargyeah, it is possible when combined with other attacks23:59
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Haargthe issues isn't so much if the cookie can be read, it's if it has data that is more sensitive than the user themselves would have access to00:00
+perlDreamercurrently, it's the site's choice whether they display things like sessionId, userId, etc.00:01
+perlDreamerall that would be available to the user via cookie00:01
Haargyes00:01
+perlDreamerbut, for the user using that session, it wouldn't matter00:01
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+perlDreamerhaving it available to another user, however, could be bad00:01
Haargyeah, but no worse than having access to that user's account00:02
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3ea4ab8 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix many missing and wrong Cart template variables. Kudos to Bart Jol for tracking them down. - http://bit.ly/dlFiHc00:05
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8d61e5c / (2 files in 2 dirs): When a version tag is approved or denied, run spectre right now. Fixes bug #11671. - http://bit.ly/8YRfB500:05
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r41d5c84 / (2 files in 2 dirs): When a version tag is approved or denied, run spectre right now. Fixes bug #11671. - http://bit.ly/b4TFgi00:06
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+perlDreamerpreaction: inline block elements don't obey the overflow property, do they?00:44
@preactionthey should00:45
@preactioni'd ask #css, but i wouldn't phrase it like that (start from the beginning, show code, validate)00:45
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SDuensinGreetings.16:19
+bartjolhi16:37
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@preactionmorning!17:39
+bartjolhey doug!17:44
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+perlDreameroh, bopbop18:48
+perlDreamerI think you've found a bad bug18:48
@bopbopI did?18:51
@bopbopthe wiki one?18:51
+perlDreameryeah18:56
+perlDreamerI think it's related to TinyMCE18:56
+perlDreamerAre sections of that wiki page supposed to be italicised?18:56
+perlDreamerbopbop, how were these wiki pages created?19:02
+perlDreamervia copy/paste from some original source?19:02
+perlDreameror were they entered by hand?19:02
@bopbopthey were copied and pasted from an open office doc19:03
@bopbop and I've been having all sorts of headaches with the formatting19:03
@bopbopno, those sections aren't supposed to be italicized19:03
@bopbopI've been pasting in, highlighting all and doing the remove formatting icon19:03
@bopbopthen applying headings by hand19:04
+perlDreamerwell, on that page19:04
+perlDreamerI see extra italics19:04
@bopbopthere shouldn't be any italics19:04
@bopbopthere wasn't in the original text19:04
@bopbopand there isn't if you edit the article19:04
+perlDreamerit looks like [i] is being translated to <i>, or something19:05
@bopbopfrom the code examples?19:05
+perlDreamerif you look at the article, starting at "First If Statement", inside the code example, lines 4-end are italicised19:05
+perlDreameryeah19:05
+perlDreamerand then, farther down below, the text itself is italicised19:05
@bopbopright19:06
@bopbopbut the text shouldn't be italicized19:06
@bopbopand, that's a bug in addition to the bug I posted19:06
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+perlDreamer... not in this case :)19:07
@bopbopno?19:07
+perlDreamerwebgui.org has replacements defined for [i]19:07
+perlDreamerand [/i]19:07
+perlDreamerthey aren't standard19:07
@bopbopoh...19:07
@bopbopwell, garsh19:07
+perlDreamerwait, they're standard19:08
+perlDreamerlooks like some old kind of Forum code?19:08
@preactionbbcode19:08
+perlDreamerand they are standard19:08
+perlDreamerthey ship in a default site19:09
+perlDreamerpreaction, do they have to be there?19:09
@preactionpretty sure some stuff relies on them19:09
+perlDreamerbother19:09
@preactioni mean, we have tinymce now, so probably not19:10
+perlDreamerbut historically19:10
@preactionperhaps her content needs to change instead?19:10
+perlDreamercould use the encodings for [ and ]19:10
@preactioni meant more, why is [i] in the content?19:10
+perlDreamerit's a JS example19:10
@preactionah, nm then19:10
+perlDreamer[quote] and [/quote] are hardcoded in the perl19:11
+perlDreamerbut [b] and [i]... ?19:11
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@preactionboth content filters19:11
+perlDreameryeah19:12
+perlDreamerwell, there is a "simple" workaround19:12
+perlDreamerand that's to use [j] instead of [i]19:12
+perlDreamerbut that seems kinda silly19:12
@preactionbut we really don't need any of it at all, we should be using HTML and letting tinymce handle it19:12
+perlDreamerwe still need [quote]19:13
@preactionhow much content on webgui.org uses [i] and [b]?19:13
@preactioncan we migrate?19:13
@preaction[quote] == <blockquote> or <q>19:13
+perlDreamerI'll file a separate RFE for that19:17
+perlDreamerbopbop, removing the bbcode entries from webgui.org for [b] and [i] fixes both the weird italics, and the leaky edit form.19:18
@bopbopgreat -- thank you19:18
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@preactionso i'm about to rewrite my JsonTable form control, and i realize that it's going to share a lot of features with the DataTable form control. 19:44
@scrottiew00t, data loaded.  apparently not watching it was the secret.19:51
@scrottieinteresting training class Thursday:  http://www.em.avnet.com/evs/home/0,4582,CID%253D58435%2526CCD%253DUSA%2526SID%253D32214%2526DID%253DDF2%2526LID%253D32233%2526BID%253DDF2%2526CTP%253DEVS,00.html?SUL=getsmart20:32
@scrottieI'm tempted to go and take that.20:32
+perlDreamerJsonTable form control?  What's that one for?20:37
@preactionall the random JSON collateral we deal with.20:37
@preactionwhy solve one when we can solve them all?20:38
+perlDreamerI thought that they were all solved, with WebGUI::JSONCollateral20:40
@preactionhow does one edit the collateral?20:41
+perlDreamerfor lack of a better interface, it emulates WebGUI::Wobject's db collateral20:41
+perlDreamerand when it's done munging stuff, it calls $self->update20:42
@preactionand how does a user edit the collateral?20:42
@preactionwhere's the form?20:42
+perlDreamerit doesn't provide a form, it only provides an API20:42
+perlDreamercurrently, the dev has to make a form20:42
@preactionhence, WebGUI::Form::JsonTable.20:42
+perlDreamercool20:42
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@scrottiegrr.  I remembered sshfs working a bit better than this.21:51
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r46b4f08 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Refactor gallery CSS. Use spans instead of inline divs for rows. Add overflow settings for picture details. Fixes bug #11663. - http://bit.ly/bMT2tn22:14
+perlDreamerpreaction, does it make sense to you that packages include templatePacked/snippetPacked?23:02
+perlDreamerseems like a waste of space to me23:02
@preactionthey probably shouldn't, provided they get packed right away23:03
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r68eb345 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Refactor gallery CSS. Use spans instead of inline divs for rows. Add overflow settings for picture details. Fixes bug #11663. - http://bit.ly/bMVgnI23:07
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r20fed80 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix Gallery package, removing backported RFEs and putting it into the correct place. - http://bit.ly/csEWIf23:07
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5b5c100 / (100 files in 12 dirs): Remove 7.8 packages from HEAD. - http://bit.ly/csKwJI23:16
+perlDreamerpreaction: will the differences in Net::Twitter 3.10003 and 3.13006 cause problems?23:28
@preactionprobably not23:28
* perlDreamer will run the regression suite as a double check23:29
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r40b8bd8 / t/Workflow/Activity/ExtendCalendarRecurrences.t : Fix this test, so that it will pass every day of every month. - http://bit.ly/9quvFK23:47
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0efc651 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Don't call asset methods on undef in the GalleryAlbum. Fixes bug #11681. - http://bit.ly/caKBfp23:51
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * rc350cc2 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Don't call asset methods on undef in the GalleryAlbum. Fixes bug #11681. - http://bit.ly/ddKXrj23:51
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@preactionperlDreamer: fixed00:00
+perlDreamerthat was fast!00:00
+perlDreamerhow do you do with UTF8 bugs? :)00:00
CIA-59webgui: Doug Bell master * r5e7b332 / t/Auth/Twitter.t : fix tests by adding test keys - http://bit.ly/9MKZ9900:00
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CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbb2587b / (5 files in 5 dirs): Add a new template variable to the Thingy search screen, so that List type form fields can display a better form for searching. Fixes bug #11612. - http://bit.ly/cPTIJS01:14
+perlDreamerkhenn, that's your last Thingy bug, in case it needs to go to a customer01:17
@khennyou are releasing tonight right?01:18
@khennI'm going to be upgrading them after the 7.9 release01:18
+perlDreameryup01:18
@khennso it should take01:18
@khennthanks01:18
+perlDreamercool :)01:18
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r09a7c8d / (5 files in 5 dirs): Add a new template variable to the Thingy search screen, so that List type form fields can display a better form for searching. Fixes bug #11612. - http://bit.ly/daXe1S01:32
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * ra6e75ff / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move upgrade package to correct location for this branch. - http://bit.ly/b3i3bx01:32
+perlDreamerpreaction: can we fix this bug in 7.9, or should we leave it for 8.0? http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/1130401:42
@preactionfor the default content, sure. don't mess with existing sites01:44
@preactionbut really i'm not sure i like the distinction01:44
@preactioni'm not sure i like the default granularity of our groups. more to understand at the beginning01:44
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+perlDreamerlet's add it to the 8 bugs list, and see what kind of discussion we can get going there02:03
* perlDreamer is off to get a new laptop battery.02:09
+perlDreamerbe back later tonight to do the release!02:09
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@scrottiewhois druoso03:17
@scrottieack03:17
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@scrottieheading out.04:44
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+perlDreamerthanks for tracking that down, daviddelikat06:30
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CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r469c2b7 / (141 files in 71 dirs): Preparing for 7.9.8 release. - http://bit.ly/aWTKdU06:54
+perlDreamerreleasing 7.9.8, tomorrow I'll keep working on the mega 8 merge and test fixup06:56
+perlDreamernothing like iterating over EVERY thread in EVERY CS to make for a speedy upgrade...07:13
+perlDreamer'night, all08:08
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CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc5257dc / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.9.9 development. - http://bit.ly/95hVz008:09
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+bartjolmmm, I can't see my shopping cart when logged in16:33
+bartjollogged out I mean16:33
+bartjolthe template is visible16:34
+bartjoland i get the error that an addressbook can't be istantioated because the user is a visitor16:36
+bartjolwhisch is correct16:36
+bartjolbut I should see a part of  the cart16:37
+bartjoland that is with the default Cart template16:39
SDuensinMorning.16:51
+bartjolah, Scott, fix my problem :)16:51
SDuensinrm -rf /16:52
+bartjolwell, actually, that doesn't fix my problem16:53
+bartjolit is a windows box :P16:53
SDuensinfdisk?16:53
+bartjolformat c:16:53
+bartjolbut, I'm not in a brute force mood today16:53
* SDuensin is installing Kubuntu at the moment. No problems here!16:53
+bartjolbut, have you installed latest beta there?16:54
SDuensinOf WebGUI or Kubuntu?16:54
+bartjolof WebGUI16:54
SDuensinHell, I don't have the latest stable.16:54
+bartjolwell, I only on two boxes16:55
SDuensinAnything good in the beta?16:55
+bartjolwell, the user interface for the shop has improved16:56
+bartjolexcept that it doesn't work16:56
+bartjolmm, let's test on my laptop16:57
SDuensinhehe16:57
+bartjol(which is box three)16:58
+bartjolmmm, now my laptop install won't upgrade17:17
* SDuensin slowly backs away from bartjol to avoid spreading the curse.17:19
* bartjol coughs over SDuensin17:23
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+bartjolthe upgrade script gets the webgui version from WebGUI.pm, right?17:50
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@preactionbartjol: no, from the database17:59
+bartjolstrange, because there I have 7.8.14]17:59
+bartjoloooh17:59
+bartjol, where was the 7.8->7.9 change possibility18:00
+bartjol7.8.1418:00
+bartjoljoy18:00
@preaction7.8.13 i believe18:00
+bartjolyes 1318:00
+bartjolarg18:00
+bartjolthanks18:01
+bartjolwell, I understand why that won't work18:01
+bartjolok back to my initial problem18:02
+bartjolapperently, in the cart template, the cart tries to make an addressbook object and exits when the userId eq 118:03
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@preactionsounds like a bug18:05
+bartjolyeah, maybe it is only with shipping addresses18:05
+bartjolgonna check that now18:05
+bartjolaaah, yes, it is the shipping address18:08
+perlDreamerbartjol, did you find a cart bug?18:11
+perlDreamerdon't tell tavisto18:11
+bartjoloh, I I am almost certain18:11
@tavistonooooooooooooooooo18:11
+bartjolin beta18:11
+bartjoldid you make it tavisto?18:11
+perlDreamerhe's responsible for the cart, yes18:11
+perlDreamerit's all his fault18:11
+perlDreamerand I always get stuck fixing his stuff18:12
+bartjolwell, guess what happens during the wuc18:12
+perlDreamerbrb18:12
+bartjolnewsheader "salesmanager mysteriously disappeared and found in lake in Madison (WI)18:12
+perlDreamerbartjol, what's the bug that you're seeing?18:19
+bartjoloh, when you have items in your cart, which require shipping, the cart isn't shown at all18:20
+bartjolerror WebGUI::URL::Content::__ANON__[75] - WebGUI::Shop::AddressBook:397 -  Visitor cannot have an address book.18:20
+bartjolbut it can be CartItem or Cart that borks18:21
+perlDreamerwell, that's easy enough to setup and test18:21
+bartjolI finally worked it doen to the require shipping part, that's an afternoon full of stress18:22
+bartjolhttp://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/1169318:23
+bartjolI'm a bit worn out for today18:27
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+perlDreamerthanks for tracking that down, bartjol18:30
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+bartjolwell, I want it to work, so I just have to trace it18:30
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+bartjolthanks for the template help changes18:30
+perlDreameryou're welcome18:31
+perlDreamerI also found a bunch of missing variables for the address fields themselves18:31
+perlDreamerand added them, too18:31
+bartjolyes, that fields were in an array and I missed them18:32
+bartjolsorry about that18:32
+perlDreamerno sweat18:34
+perlDreamerI missed them, too, the first time I went and documented stuff for tavisto18:34
+perlDreamerhow was Rory's wedding?18:35
+bartjolI remember there was beer when we came, but when we left it was all gone, couldn't remember a thing of that18:36
+bartjolno, we kept it decently enough18:36
+bartjolbut it was great fun18:36
+bartjola bit of a bummer that patspam took JT hostage18:37
+bartjolbut, nice castle, nice people, nice food, nice dress18:38
+perlDreamerawesome18:39
+bartjolSarah put some pictures on facadebook, so Kathy can show them to you18:39
+bartjoland soon on http://www.rozenboomlaan.nl/home/fotos18:41
+bartjolbut Rory has to make a selection out of 2000+ pictures18:41
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+bartjolaah, there we have the JT-napper18:43
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+perlDreameryou made bartjol mad, patspam18:46
+patspamI kidnapped him so that he'd work on wg i18n bart!18:47
+perlDreamerugh, more missing template variables!18:49
+perlDreamerpatspam, what's a common Australian lunch food?19:01
+patspammeat pies19:01
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r89e20a3 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm): Fix how the cart handles items with shipping, added to the cart by visitor. Fixes bug #11693. - http://bit.ly/bv6OP519:01
+perlDreamerlike these: http://www.pacificpieco.com/ ?19:02
+patspamhttp://www.thelonebaker.com/storage/piewithhand.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=126423224223619:03
@preactionperlDreamer: you know, i pass teddywedgers every day and i have yet to enter and get one19:03
+perlDreamerpreaction, I recommend the stop19:03
+perlDreamerI have yet to eat one I don't like19:03
+perlDreamerbut I intend to keep trying until there is 100% coverage19:03
@preactionheh19:03
@preactionand those meat pies look great19:04
@preactionmight need some potatoes and onions in there though19:04
+perlDreamerkeep browsing :)19:04
+perlDreamerI'm secretly trying to recruit patspam to the West Coast19:05
+perlDreamerbetween coffee, scotch and australian meat pies, I think I have half a chance19:05
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@preactiondamn you! we need him in the midwest! we have beer and cheese19:05
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@preactionBEER AND CHEESE!19:06
@preactionand BRATWURST!19:06
+perlDreamerCOFFEE, SCOTCH, MEAT PIES AND BICYCLING19:06
@preactionpfft, madison has AWESOME bicycling!19:06
+perlDreamernow all I need is to get Helen a scholarship, and it's in the bag!19:06
+patspamheh19:06
+perlDreamerthat is true, preaction, but portland is a couple of notches higher19:06
@preactionbut Helen is in Medicine no? Madison has a wonderful medical research school19:06
+patspamphilosophy19:07
+perlDreamerHelen is in Philosophy19:07
@preactionwe have hippies! lots of hippies! swing a tire iron and you're sure to hit a hippie!19:07
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@preactionIt's a well-known fact that if you meet a hippie you will have a philosophical conversation in 12 seconds 19:08
+perlDreamerwhy the 12 second delay?19:09
@preaction"hey", "hi", "want a hit of this?", "no thanks", "you sure? it's good shit!", "thanks but no, i'm cutting back", "oh, well this is what i think..."19:10
@preactionalternatively: "hey", "hi", "want a hit of this?", "sure" <pause for smoking> "it's like... we're all a community... etc etc etc"19:10
* perlDreamer goes to the gym to avoid secondhand smoke19:11
@preactionyou can't die from marijuana smoke, maaaan19:11
@preactionthere's like, no rat poison in weed man19:11
@preactionthat's just like, the gubmint tryin to keep us sheeple19:12
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* scrottie got in a small amount of trouble for that blog post.19:23
@preactionuhoh19:23
@scrottieconsidering Gabor was trying to solicit free labor, I just failed to look at that as a potential sale.19:25
@preactionwait? in trouble from US?19:25
@preactionanyone remember who maintained the old WebGUI FAQ site? g... something19:37
@preactionhttp://www.gwy2.org/fomfiles/cache/1.html <- ah, found it19:37
@scrottiefaq-o-matic++19:42
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CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0853a95 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Document per-item cart template variables relating to taxes. - http://bit.ly/bLJj8b20:30
CIA-59webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r44576d5 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Document per-item cart template variables relating to taxes. - http://bit.ly/cuHMhh20:33
+perlDreamerYay!  WebGUI 8 time21:33
+perlDreamerpreaction, does the current cache setup allow using more than 1 kind of cache at a time?21:34
+perlDreamerI had this idea that it would be cool to let people put high traffic, slow assets into memory cache21:34
+perlDreamerbut use file/db cache for the rest21:34
+perlDreamerkind of like having L1 and L2 caching in a microprocessor21:34
@preactionCHI allows for an l1_cache value, which will first place things into the l1_cache and as they age will put it into the main cache21:35
@preactionthe first l1_cache can have a second l1_cache, so you can layer like that21:35
@preactionso yes21:35
+perlDreamerthat's similar to what I'm thinking of21:36
+perlDreamerexcept, instead of doing it by age, it would be by priority21:37
+perlDreamerbut maybe CHI does that too!21:37
+perlDreameralso, every time I switch to the WebGUI 8 branch, I can't run the upgrade until I reset my config file21:38
@preactioni'm not sure it does by age. i would imagine it would use last-access time to decide whether to freeze a cache entry in l221:38
+perlDreamerI could see setting up a 1 Mb priority cache for my CSS files, navigations, etc21:38
@preactionperhaps CHI's set() method needs a way to set priority so that l1_cache can be used more effectively?21:39
@preactionit may have one, but if not, we can help!21:40
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Haargpreaction, did you ever get the gitolite stuff i tried to send you22:01
Haarg?22:01
@preactionyep, haven't had a chance to look at it yet though. i'll add it to my list22:01
Haargok.  it was in my gmail outbox for some reason.22:02
* perlDreamer lunches with great abandon22:07
Haargi should probably have some real food.  all i've eaten in the last day is a box of cookies i got in the mail.22:08
* perlDreamer hopes they kept well22:33
+perlDreameror are you talking about other cookies, Haarg?22:33
+perlDreamerFudge Oat Bars freeze great22:33
Haargthe ones you sent arrived a while back and were good22:33
Haargthese are a birthday present from my grandparents22:34
+perlDreamergrandparents++22:42
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@preactionis it bad if my data structure is a hashref of hashrefs of arrayrefs of hashrefs?23:26
+perlDreamerwhat's the context/application?23:29
@preactionmigrating template_attachments to JSON23:29
@preactionso templateId->revisionDate->[attachments]->{attachment data}23:29
+perlDreamerthose attachments have an order23:30
+perlDreamerso I'd go array based instead of hash based for the top23:30
@preactionuh, the top is the templates, not the attachments23:30
@preactionthe attachments inside the template revision is an arrayref23:30
@preactionhashref (templateId) of hashref (revisionDate) of arrayref (attachmentsJson) of hashrefs (attachment data)23:31
@preactioni like how only one core template uses template attachments, that's awesome23:31
+perlDreamerit will make migration easier :)23:32
+perlDreamerwhy do you need that level of information?23:32
+perlDreameraren't attachments local to a template?23:32
@preactionyes. i'm deleting the template_attachments table23:32
@preactionand moving them to a JSON field in the template table23:32
@preactionbecause the new edit form stuff makes it easier to deal with JSON (the new JsonTable field)23:33
@preactionand impossible to add raw HTML (but you can do some tricks with a ReadOnly field)23:33
+perlDreamerso this is just for the purpose of migration23:33
@preactionbut attachments also suffered from adding a bunch of extra queries, this removes those23:33
@preactionyes23:33
+perlDreamerdude, in that case, I think you should use whatever is easiest23:34
HaargperlDreamer, did i ever ask you what your thoughts were on this http://gist.github.com/443835 for upgrade reporting stuff?23:39
+perlDreamerI don't remember seeing this before23:40
+perlDreamersometimes I wish that the reporting from the upgrades were prefixed with the config file name that it is currently working under23:41
+perlDreamerbut not often23:42
Haargmight be able to do that easily if we want to break stuff on windows23:42
+perlDreamerare we supporting windows with WebGUI8?23:43
Haargnot specifically23:43
Haargbut there's currently nothing i know of that we do that won't work on windows23:44
+perlDreamersorry, I'm confusing the WRE with WebGUI for compatibility23:45
Haargpreaction, perlDreamer, is there a reason we need config object caching?23:46
@preactionwhat's the problem?23:47
Haargit just seems a useless addition that introduces complexity and potential problems23:47
Haargwith psgi, the config objects are kept around anyway23:47
@preactionthen i can't think of a reason why they need to be cached23:48
Haarglistchars is god but also makes me want to murder people http://gist.github.com/45920123:50
Haarg*good23:50
+perlDreamerwhat does that mean?23:51
Haarg>-- are tabs23:52
Haargalso, echo '--type-add=perl=.psgi' >> ~/.ackrc23:57
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