WebGUI irc logs from: 2010-06.log

--- Log opened Tue Jun 01 00:00:02 2010
@preaction	if i'm fixing the asset, i should probably put them in a valid parent, no?	00:44
+perlDreamer	yes	00:46
+perlDreamer	/root/import?	00:46
+perlDreamer	maybe tempspace	00:46
@preaction	root/import for now	00:47
+perlDreamer	it would be considered frivolous to move the extra code out of Calendar's viewWeek into a separate www method, wouldn't it?	00:51
@preaction	actually it would break everything	00:52
+perlDreamer	it would?	00:52
@preaction	the client who ordered that feature extended it	00:52
@preaction	since it is so fragile in there, we can't fix it	00:52
+perlDreamer	what happens if this bug fix breaks it?	00:54
+perlDreamer	now I'm worried	00:54
@preaction	can't help that	00:55
@scrottie	afk a minute... but this is still finding ways to not work. grr. it's mucked itself in a way that resetting the database doesn't fix.	00:56
+perlDreamer	did you clear the cache?	00:56
+perlDreamer	Asset->new caches database properties when it looks them up	00:57
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@scrottie	caches them? how do you clear the cache? and does it cache them in the database in a way that wgd doesn't clear out with 'reset'?	01:04
+perlDreamer	the cache is set by the config	01:05
+perlDreamer	it could be persistent in memory	01:05
+perlDreamer	or in disk	01:05
+perlDreamer	or in the db	01:05
@scrottie	oh boy.	01:05
@scrottie	yeah, that most certainly affects debugging.	01:05
@preaction	rm -rf /tmp/WebGUICache; or mysql -e'truncate cache';	01:05
@preaction	wgd reset SHOULD clear the cache for you	01:06
@preaction	http://gist.github.com/420328 <- anyone see anything missing here? I try to get as much info as possible	01:10
@scrottie	I'm starting to suspect that the only reason that that test ever passed is because it malfunctioned.	01:12
@preaction	quite possible	01:12
@scrottie	oddly though, however it malfunctions to make it pass, it'll do it again now and again.	01:12
@preaction	are you running just the one test?	01:13
@scrottie	running t/Keyword.t	01:13
Haarg	wgd clears the cache in webgui 7. it likely won't handle 8 properly	01:13
@scrottie	with some t/Asset.t thrown in now and then and just prove	01:13
@scrottie	interesting. is there a problem ticket open to that effect?	01:14
+perlDreamer	preaction, line 73 seems odd	01:14
@scrottie	manually clearing the cache for those two schemes makes that test fail... or doesn't help it succeed.	01:14
+perlDreamer	$var = something \|\|= do {};	01:14
+perlDreamer	should \|\|= just be \|\|	01:14
+perlDreamer	also, this only checks entries that are in asset, but not in sub-tables	01:15
+perlDreamer	it doesn't check for any of the other cases	01:15
+perlDreamer	like, existing in assetData, but not any of the others	01:15
@preaction	$var = $something \|\| $something = do {}; <- afterwards, $var and $something will be set	01:15
+perlDreamer	or in a class specific table, but not in others	01:15
Haarg	perlDreamer, with \|\|= it stores the result in the hash so the next run won't need the do	01:15
@preaction	only those in asset will affect getLineageIterator, no?	01:16
+perlDreamer	yes, but getIsa will be affected by the rest	01:16
@scrottie	/tmp/WebGUICache/* is the backing store Cache::FastMmap uses?	01:17
Haarg	line 68: printf "%-68s", $message;	01:17
@preaction	scrottie: if there's no "cache" : { "root_dir" : "..." } in your config, yes	01:18
@preaction	that default is set in WebGUI::Session->cache()	01:18
@scrottie	cool. thanks.	01:19
Haarg	also, it probably makes more sense to insert values from a previous revision of the asset if one exists	01:20
* perlDreamer goes shopping		01:43
@scrottie	yeah, I'm going to pack it up pretty quick here too. also quite Barbie-esque, I'm going to cook dinner.	01:55
@scrottie	going to push at least that one fix first.	01:59
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@preaction	i'm finding some corrupt assets on tiffany's site from 2009 (no asset entry, assetData entry)	02:06
@preaction	yay!	02:06
@preaction	is database integrity even possible? should I just give up and add the 6 extra lines of boilerplate to my getLineageIterator calls?	02:07
@preaction	Confused? You won't be after tomorrow's episode of WebGUI!	02:10
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@scrottie	ooh, bac, to back episodes	02:34
CIA-59	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r483acbc / (2 files in 2 dirs):	02:51
CIA-59	webgui: Revert "Calls to set() and update() set attributes as well as "properties"."	02:51
CIA-59	webgui: This reverts commit 57fe0721ab6049e02c421cf2b1cb387f4eed42da. - http://bit.ly/9HUthc	02:51
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@scrottie	this makes no sense. tests continue to fail. this thing is mucking itself up in some way I can't comprehend and that has little to do with the code being run.	03:00
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+perlDreamer	preaction, I vote for both	05:09
+perlDreamer	put in the proper handling code for the iterator	05:10
+perlDreamer	it's worth your time	05:10
+perlDreamer	if it was try/catch, you'd like it better	05:10
+perlDreamer	but the semantics are the same	05:10
+perlDreamer	scrottie, it's time to rollback	05:11
+perlDreamer	let's head back to 0ae488290646e4a35b5b75f4edd17870bc583196	05:11
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SDuensin	Morning.	16:20
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Haarg	morning	16:30
+bartjol	morning	16:41
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@khenn	does anyone know if assetIndex still gets out of sync with the assetData table?	17:32
Haarg	what part of assetIndex do you mean?	17:33
Haarg	the actual indexed content is probably the most likely to get out of date, but i don't know of any particular situation where that happens	17:33
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@preaction	brainstorm: I want one more feature in 7.9, multiple auth methods active on the site for creating users. it shouldn't be too hard. possible problems?	18:09
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@frodwith	preaction: do all of the auth methods support creating users? (I'm wondering about ldap in particular)	18:38
@preaction	LDAP will create a new WebGUI user and link it to an existing LDAP record	18:39
@preaction	but the main thing is: this is the major thing preventing us moving forward with new auth methods like OAuth, Facebook Connect, OpenID	18:39
@frodwith	ah	18:39
@frodwith	pardon my ignorance, but what auth methods do we support right now?	18:40
@preaction	WebGUI, LDAP.	18:40
@frodwith	so we'd write authmethods for all the hip single-sign-on things and let people pick at creation time?	18:41
@preaction	and login, yes	18:41
@frodwith	how do you mean and login	18:42
@preaction	not every login will require a password, and may not even require a username (the username being told to us by the external system)	18:43
@frodwith	right... that doesn't seem to clear up my confusion though. I read what you said as "and let people pick at login time"	18:44
@frodwith	which doesn't make sense to me	18:44
@preaction	they may have to enter their information into the right box for their auth method	18:45
@frodwith	hmm, a user has exactly one auth method, yes?	18:46
@preaction	yes	18:47
@frodwith	couldn't you just ignore the password box when it's not part of the login process?	18:47
@frodwith	or hmm, there's not even a username necessarily.	18:47
@frodwith	so they'd click a link, then, like "login with your facebook id"	18:48
@frodwith	and it'd... do that	18:48
@frodwith	or do we show them all the login methods on the one screen?	18:48
@preaction	i'm thinking the ^L; macro shows just the main auth method with a link to "View other login methods"	18:49
@preaction	then the main displayLogin page aggregates the activated auth methods	18:50
@frodwith	that sounds reasonable.	18:50
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@scrottie	perlDreamer, that patch should have been reverted, and before your "time to rollback" comment. did I botch the revert/push?	19:27
@scrottie	oh, he's not here.	19:28
@scrottie	damn, damn, damn.	19:28
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ckotil	are there any known issues with the logrotate.pl that ships with wre 0.9.1 ?	20:22
@preaction	it would help if we knew what the issue you're having is	20:23
ckotil	rotating is off, logs start going to .1 .2 .3 and the original logs and .0s get reset to 0 bytes	20:25
ckotil	it wreaks havoc on my awstats	20:25
ckotil	which i run outside of the wre	20:25
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@preaction	are you running logrotate twice? is awstats doing its own rotating? i believe you can also configure awstats to remove records as it parses	20:26
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ckotil	awstats isnt rotating or removing records	20:30
ckotil	hrmm. i guess ill see if logrotate.pl changed between wre 0.9.1 and 0.9.3	20:30
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ckotil	no difference. after looking at the script for a bit it looks like my expectation of how log rotate scripts should work is differnet than how this logroate script works.	21:07
ckotil	i except logs to always be written to /var/log/somelog , then when logs are rotated it should be moved to /var/log/some.log.1	21:08
ckotil	but new logs go to /var/log/somelog	21:08
ckotil	then at next rotate somelog.1 goes to somelog.2 , etc...	21:08
@scrottie	start grepping through /var/cron ...?	21:08
@scrottie	see what else is in there?	21:08
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@preaction	are the WRE logs in /var/log or /data/wre/var/logs?	21:09
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@khenn	Haarg: I'm working on a site with older data and I've got a lot of assetIndex stuff that does not match what is in the assetData table	21:09
@khenn	just wondering if that is a product of older stuff or if it's still happening	21:10
ckotil	/data/wre/var/logs and /data/domains/mysite/logs	21:10
Haarg	i don't generally remember anything having changed with that, but i also don't know of any known cases that it had problems with	21:10
ckotil	preaction: so logs in /data/wre/var/logs/ get rotated properly	21:11
Haarg	likely a symptom of a general committing problem, which it's hard to say what state it would be in now	21:11
ckotil	i think the apache logs are problematic bc apache still maintains an open file handle on the logs when the script is renaming/unlinking them	21:11
ckotil	logrotated scripts issue a kill -SIGHUP or httpd reload to get around this	21:12
@preaction	apache doesn't do that anymore, and hasn't since 2.0.x	21:12
ckotil	ah	21:13
ckotil	hrm, i wonder my apache logs are so f00bar'd then	21:13
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@khenn	yeah I'll keep my eye on it	21:14
@khenn	I really want to see the assetIndex table use triggers to insert it's data	21:14
@khenn	insert / update	21:14
@preaction	database integrity is a myth	21:15
@khenn	delete	21:15
Haarg	there isn't really any way to do that with how we handle it though	21:15
Haarg	since the index data has to be built by perl	21:15
@khenn	I couldn't say right now	21:15
@khenn	but it seems that most of that data is coming from assetData	21:15
@khenn	keywords and size are not	21:16
@khenn	but those could remain in the code	21:16
Haarg	with foreign keys, transactions, and an sql abstraction layer, it's unlikely this type of problem would happen.	21:16
Haarg	but then assetIndex should probably be pulled out eventually anyway	21:17
Haarg	and use a real full text search system	21:17
@khenn	I suppose	21:17
@khenn	not sure what that will do to performance	21:17
Haarg	would probably improve it significantly	21:17
@khenn	asset index is nice because it's a view of all the stuff that should be showing up on the site	21:18
@khenn	don't have to deal with revision dates, tags, status, etc	21:18
@khenn	but I really can't trust it	21:18
@khenn	to have accurate information	21:18
ckotil	can you trust a newly built assetIndex?	21:19
@preaction	temporarily	21:19
@khenn	yeah	21:20
@khenn	we re-index the site once a month	21:20
@khenn	via cron	21:20
@khenn	and it still gets out of date	21:20
@khenn	(just remembered that)	21:20
@khenn	I'm guessing there is still crap in webgui directly writing to assetData without using the API	21:20
@khenn	and that's where it's getting hosed	21:20
@preaction	have you nailed down which ones get out of date? when? who did it?	21:20
ckotil	ive got a cront to do it daily. users were complaining about search results being innaccurate. this was back ~7.6 tho	21:20
@khenn	no	21:20
@preaction	stop guessing, start verifying	21:20
@khenn	I don't know why / where / when	21:20
@khenn	it's not important right now, more annoying	21:21
@khenn	someday I'll track it down	21:21
@khenn	busy with other stuff	21:21
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ckotil	preaction: i think performing a graceful restart of modproxy after logrotate makes it happy	21:32
@preaction	none of our boxes require that, even those on WRE 0.8 series	21:33
ckotil	the logs at least go to domain/sitename/logs/somelog and not domain/sitename/logs/somelog.#	21:33
ckotil	maybe it's bc ive got 25 sites	21:33
@preaction	we've got ones with more	21:33
@preaction	those are on 0.9.3 though	21:33
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ckotil	logrotate.pl hasnt changed between 0.9.1 and 0.9.3	21:34
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@preaction	but 0.9.3 has apache 2.2.11	21:34
ckotil	i built it w/ 2.2.13	21:34
ckotil	i had to add php anyway, so i went for the lates.	21:35
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ckotil	ok , it's rotating fine now w/out the restart. the graceful restart must have gotten it out of bad state or something	21:37
ckotil	which is wierd bc i just restarted it last week for the upgrade to 7.8.20 stable	21:37
ckotil	i bet its the script in /etc/logrotate.d/httpd . deleted.	21:43
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CIA-57	webgui: Paul Driver master * rc5bddbd / t/Asset/AssetPackage.t : testing clearPackageFlag - http://bit.ly/ceOUQi	22:32
CIA-57	webgui: Paul Driver master * r3a9c3e5 / (3 files in 3 dirs): checkbox in asset manager for clearPackageFlag - http://bit.ly/bYFARM	22:32
CIA-57	webgui: Paul Driver master * re88fe85 / lib/WebGUI/AssetPackage.pm : style nits in www_importPackage - http://bit.ly/b4yN1b	22:33
CIA-57	webgui: Paul Driver master * r426cc20 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : changelog note for new checkbox - http://bit.ly/b9JEuP	22:33
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--- Day changed Wed Jun 02 2010
@preaction	starting the tests for the release. commit if you got 'em	00:26
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@preaction	would our test suite run faster if we consolidated our scripts when possible? i know i split the Photo and Gallery tests, but if we join them again it should speed things up, no?	01:12
@scrottie	I'd be surprised if joining them speed things up.	01:13
Haarg	it would definitely speed things up	01:14
@scrottie	do a time perl -c on the .t to get a figure for the startup time.	01:14
Haarg	Test::Class is probably a better solution to joining tests though	01:14
@frodwith	right, it would obviously speed things, the question is how much	01:15
@frodwith	and my guess is "not a whole heck of a lot"	01:15
Haarg	in my experience	01:15
Haarg	a lot	01:15
@preaction	2.4 real. 1.1 user. for t/Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo/00base.t	01:15
@frodwith	what are we doing at test setup and teardown that takes so long?	01:17
@preaction	ran it over the whole photo set gives about 1.2 user, 2.5 real	01:17
@preaction	so over 314 test files we have 15 minutes of setup	01:17
Haarg	frodwith, loading .pm files	01:18
@frodwith	Haarg: are we preloading the whole webgui tree for every test or something silly like that?	01:18
Haarg	not preloading	01:18
Haarg	but most of the files get pulled in through use statements anyway	01:18
Haarg	everything requires everything else	01:19
@frodwith	shouldn't be that nasty though	01:19
@frodwith	what's taking so long to load?	01:19
@frodwith	in particular?	01:19
@preaction	our dep tree includes a lot of stuff	01:19
@frodwith	Hrmph. I smell a rat.	01:20
@frodwith	but I'm too lazy to dig out a profiler and catch it.	01:21
Haarg	i never bothered to figure out what parts were taking the longest	01:21
Haarg	it's in general just that by loading ::Session you end up pulling in most of the source tree	01:21
Haarg	or at least a good portion of it	01:22
@frodwith	yeah, but it shouldn't take 2 seconds to load the source tree, should it?	01:22
@frodwith	just doesn't seem right, somehow.	01:22
Haarg	i was going to say how long it takes to load here, but i'll have to wait until my git-filter-branch finishes	01:23
@preaction	i've been running Devel::LeakTrace::Fast for the last day or two, that could cause a slowdown	01:24
Haarg	frodwith, on my machine: http://gist.github.com/421697	02:47
@preaction	Haarg: did you try using weaken on session refs before?	02:47
Haarg	for some things	02:48
Haarg	that's the webgui8 & psgi & upgrades code, but i doubt it is too far off from the other branches	02:48
@preaction	i'm having tests fail because there's no $session->config and no $session->asset	02:48
Haarg	psgi weakens session on all of the ::Session:: classes	02:49
Haarg	what kind of weakening are you doing?	02:49
@preaction	weaken( $self->{_session} );	02:50
@preaction	weakening the session in all these objects, because that's where Devel::Cycle wanted me to	02:50
@preaction	figured it out. i also weakened $session->{_asset}	02:51
Haarg	yeah, can't do that	02:51
@preaction	and i had ->close() also destroy $session->{_config}	02:51
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CIA-57	webgui: Doug Bell master * r1f492b5 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm : fix navigation problem - http://bit.ly/aeWxWp	04:18
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* scrottie waves to perlDreamer		07:35
+perlDreamer	hey, scrottie	07:35
+perlDreamer	what's up?	07:35
@scrottie	oh, you know	07:36
+perlDreamer	did you get any farther with WebGUI8/keywords today?	07:37
@scrottie	I figured out one version of what needs to happen to get the t/Assets.t tests to pass with the set-both-attributes-and-properties change in but I need to read more to understand why some attributes are problematic and others are necessary	07:38
@scrottie	and I've convinced myself that t/Keyword.t's results are meta-stable random.	07:39
@scrottie	the state of the code is the minor factor in which tests pass. sometimes after killing the mmap cache file and clearing the database, two tests will fail. sometimes three. every now and then, four.	07:40
@scrottie	flop the code over to the other version, the behavior won't change (with mmap cache clear and db reinit). flop it back, it changes.	07:40
@scrottie	this is maddening.	07:40
@scrottie	next step is to do a full -d:Trace of various behaviors and diff the outputs to see where execution varies.	07:41
@scrottie	so, how's stuff there?	07:41
+perlDreamer	I spent all day doing commencement stuff	07:43
+perlDreamer	just trying to get caught up with the Wonderful World of WebGUI	07:43
@scrottie	that's right. you said you were in for four days of family stuff.	07:44
+perlDreamer	no, just 1, today	07:44
+perlDreamer	oh, wait	07:44
+perlDreamer	yeah, this is day four of four	07:44
+perlDreamer	so tomorrow, back to the grind	07:44
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@scrottie	well, hell.	08:24
+perlDreamer	you found it?	08:28
@scrottie	no, but I established that completely nuking the data (rm -rf /usr/local/var/mysql, etc) and re-initializing it makes the first of the failing tests pass, once.	08:29
@scrottie	then it fails the next time, wgd reset or no.	08:29
+perlDreamer	then there's something getting stored in the db	08:30
+perlDreamer	which seems odd	08:31
+perlDreamer	since before the keywords patch, the statefulness of the tests was much more predictable	08:31
@scrottie	that doesn't seem to be the case. even without it, I get results based on its mood.	08:31
@scrottie	at least on this install, on this machine.	08:31
+perlDreamer	tomorrow, after doing the boards, I'll try to rollback a WebGUi8 branch before that commit	08:33
+perlDreamer	and run prove twice in a row, and look for differenences in test outpu	08:33
@scrottie	I reverted and pushed that some time before you suggested I do so, yesterday	08:33
+perlDreamer	logically, that presumes that the revert was completely successful, too	08:34
+perlDreamer	have you also tried a VM running the WRE?	08:35
@scrottie	nope.	08:35
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+perlDreamer	for comparison, I'll do the same comparison on WebGUI8:HEAD	08:37
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@scrottie	I'm guessing that after the $keyword asset is scrapped, there shouldn't be 556 assets in trash-limbo.	09:08
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SDuensin	Greetings.	16:31
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plainhao	can i get github push privs for helpdesk again?	17:49
plainhao	i've posted a fix for bug 11512.	17:50
+bartjol	I always prompt perlDreamer for that stuff :)	17:57
+perlDreamer	frodwith: could you please consider plainhao's patch for bug #11512 in light of the work you may have started on the helpdesk?	17:58
@frodwith	perlDreamer: I'm not familiar with this piece of the code, and all the js for helpdesk is being rewritten from scratch.	18:02
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+perlDreamer	well, okay	18:18
+perlDreamer	plainhao, I can't grant you commit privileges	18:18
+perlDreamer	given that it's going to be rewritten, do you still the patch applied?	18:18
+perlDreamer	If so, I can do that later today	18:18
* plainhao didn't know about the rewrite, so no, the patch probably isn't that critical.		18:20
Haarg	fork -> commit -> send pull request	18:20
+perlDreamer	that works, too	18:20
plainhao	okey, will do what Haarg suggested.	18:21
+bartjol	oh, another thing, Bernd wondered about the quietness of the forum and irc channel. Do we miss something in europe? Is webgui so clear nowadays that no questions have to be asked?	18:23
+perlDreamer	It was memorial day	18:23
+perlDreamer	plus I was on vacation for 1 day	18:23
+bartjol	well, more in general	18:23
+bartjol	it seems quiet lately	18:24
+perlDreamer	I think we have few new users	18:24
+perlDreamer	and the old ones already know the grotty spots	18:24
+bartjol	mmm, then we prolly need more	18:24
+bartjol	how's JT's world order coming along?	18:25
+perlDreamer	I think that the recent spate of world leaders who have resigned would mean that his efforts to foment unrest are successful	18:26
+bartjol	ah, so he just have to seize his opportunity and step forward as the new queen bee	18:28
+perlDreamer	yes :)	18:28
+perlDreamer	how is the sailing in Europe, bartjol?	18:36
@khenn	hey perlDreamer	18:36
+bartjol	well, a lot of fog the last time	18:36
@khenn	looks like Hao just committed a bug fix to help desk which fixes pagination in the search	18:36
+perlDreamer	hey, khenn!	18:36
+bartjol	50 meters sight, especially at the harbour that is quite scary	18:37
@khenn	any chance you could look that over real quick and patch plainblack.com and webgui.org ?	18:37
+perlDreamer	look over, yes	18:37
+perlDreamer	real quick, no	18:37
@khenn	heh	18:37
* perlDreamer is elbow deep in calendar guts		18:37
@khenn	gotcha	18:37
@khenn	maybe preaction can do it	18:37
@khenn	=)	18:37
+perlDreamer	oh yeah, he always has tons of free time	18:38
+perlDreamer	:P	18:38
+bartjol	beer o clock, bye	18:39
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plainhao	i like the clocks in europe.	18:39
@khenn	hey, there's hao!	18:40
@khenn	how've you been?	18:40
plainhao	ok	18:41
plainhao	how's the gang?	18:41
@khenn	hanging in there	18:41
@khenn	I just wrote a custom method for a client to approve a version tag as a different user than is in the session:	18:42
plainhao	nice	18:42
@khenn	approveAsUser ( userId , options)	18:42
@khenn	anyone want to see that in core?	18:42
@khenn	otherwise I'll just leave it in my custom stuff	18:42
plainhao	that sounds useful	18:42
+perlDreamer	yes, I want to see that	18:42
@khenn	ok	18:42
+perlDreamer	it would help me with fixing one of your bugs	18:42
@khenn	I'll add it to 7.9 now then	18:42
+perlDreamer	I think	18:42
+perlDreamer	just make sure it has tests	18:42
@khenn	ok	18:43
@khenn	I'll add it to 7.9 later	18:43
@khenn	heh	18:43
+perlDreamer	slacker!	18:43
@khenn	it's gonna be hard to test	18:43
+perlDreamer	why?	18:43
@khenn	because ...	18:43
@khenn	well let me look at the tests	18:43
@khenn	maybe not as hard as I'm thinking	18:43
+perlDreamer	I think you need to create a version tag	18:43
@khenn	guess I just need to check that it was committed by the right person	18:43
+perlDreamer	create a user	18:43
+perlDreamer	call approveAsUser	18:44
+perlDreamer	with new user	18:44
@khenn	commitAsUser	18:44
@khenn	not approve =)	18:44
+perlDreamer	08:42:16 AM) khenn: approveAsUser ( userId , options)	18:44
@scrottie	hey, hey, hey.	18:44
@khenn	whoops	18:44
@khenn	sorry	18:44
@khenn	it's commitAsUser	18:44
+perlDreamer	okey-doke	18:44
@khenn	hey scrottie	18:44
@khenn	it creates a temporary session as the new user	18:45
@khenn	casts the version tag into the session	18:45
@khenn	then commits it	18:45
@scrottie	perlDreamer, I attempted an SMTP delivery to you late last night. don't know if that went through. short version, tests pass but the fix is hackish and I need to read more to find a on-hackish way to do it.	18:45
plainhao	is there a way to look up a versiontag by name?	18:45
+perlDreamer	scrottie, I got it	18:45
@scrottie	cool.	18:45
+perlDreamer	plainhao, no, names are not unique	18:45
@khenn	no just by tagId	18:45
@khenn	you could write something that got all the version tags that have a certain name	18:46
+perlDreamer	all day events suck	18:47
@scrottie	I've been missing my Palm III lately.	18:48
@khenn	looks like you are right perlDreamer	18:48
@khenn	should be pretty easy	18:48
@khenn	create version tag	18:48
@khenn	create user	18:48
@khenn	commit as user	18:48
@khenn	check version tag to see who committed	18:48
+perlDreamer	also, make sure the temporary session was cleaned up	18:51
@khenn	right	18:52
+perlDreamer	technically, you can skip that part, because WebGUI::Test will check for that	18:53
@khenn	k	18:53
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+perlDreamer	I think I've got the calendar bug fixed	19:10
+perlDreamer	I'll confirm it after I come back from the gym	19:11
+patspam	perlDreamer: you still there?	19:18
@scrottie	if by "there" you mean "at the gym", I'm guessing yes ;)	19:23
@scrottie	I'm thinking of doing a morning errand and clocking in slightly later.	19:24
+perlDreamer	patspam, I'm back	20:15
+patspam	perlDreamer: heh now I'm heading out (lunch), will hit you up later today	20:23
+perlDreamer	sorry, dude :/	20:23
@preaction	perlDreamer: got a minute?	20:23
+perlDreamer	catch you later then	20:23
+perlDreamer	yup	20:23
+perlDreamer	let me scrape off these Calendar bits	20:23
+perlDreamer	what's up, preaction?	20:23
@preaction	when i ran the test suite for the 7.9.6 release, there were a lot of	20:23
@preaction	# Scratch : 5 (delta +1)	20:23
@preaction	stuff	20:23
@preaction	notably sessions	20:23
@preaction	is that the leaking you refer to in the build instructions?	20:24
+perlDreamer	yes	20:24
@preaction	is that a problem with the tests or with the code? or is that what i have to determine?	20:24
+perlDreamer	it's 85% likely to be in the core	20:24
+perlDreamer	since it didn't do that two weeks ago	20:24
@preaction	right	20:24
@preaction	okay, i'll get cracking	20:25
@preaction	i made two huge changes, so i'm pretty sure where to start looking	20:26
+perlDreamer	it's a little nicer than leaking memory, but having those scratch sessions in the db just takes up space	20:32
* SDuensin just tooted the WebGUI horn again. Local Linux group wants a new site. :-)		20:34
+perlDreamer	Good job, SDuensin!	20:34
SDuensin	#1 fan. Don't forget it. :-)	20:34
+patspam	perlDreamer: oink	21:37
+patspam	for when you backlog..	21:41
+patspam	in my ongoing "how to cause problems by using User Profiling fields to store internal data" saga	21:41
+patspam	DateTime is similarly problematic	21:41
+patspam	on a different site I had a profile field called consentDate (DateTime) that was used to record the date that a user completed the Terms & Conditions DataForm	21:42
+patspam	if the user hadn't done it yet, clicking Save on the Edit Profile page would set their consentDate to the current date & time	21:43
+patspam	my workaround is to create a new User Profile category called "internal stuff", move all the internal stuff that should never be displayed on the Edit Profile page (even to Admins) into the category, and then hack WebGUI::Operation::User so that it skips over that category when generating the Edit Profile page	21:45
@preaction	um... so it seems that the leaking disappeared miraculously... is that good?	21:46
@preaction	patspam: does it need to be in the userProfileData table? can you join your own table?	21:46
+patspam	I think we need to either decide that User Profile fields should not be used for this purpose, or give people the ability to hide fields (or categories) entirely from the Edit Profile page	21:46
+patspam	preaction: definitely!	21:47
@preaction	problem: user cleanup	21:47
@preaction	solution: on delete workflow activity!	21:47
+patspam	heh	21:48
+patspam	I wanted to use User Profiling because it basically did everything I needed	21:48
@preaction	except this one thing?	21:48
+patspam	yeah, this is a gotcha	21:48
@preaction	you could override the WebGUI::Account::Profile module to do what you wanted	21:48
+patspam	yeah, that's what I did (Op::User)	21:49
+patspam	I think we should make it possible to flag fields as "internal" (perhaps only via code, not via the UI)	21:49
+patspam	because the profiling machinery is very handy for simple cases where you want to hang a bit of extra data on a user account	21:50
@preaction	well, Operation::User is the admin interface. if we had things my way, the Profile system would be how admins would edit users as well	21:50
+patspam	yeah that would solve my problem.. I only get the problems because Admins see all fields, regardless of whether they are visible, editable etc..	21:50
@preaction	that way, the ONE way to edit users would be overridable by you, the programmer	21:51
+patspam	yep, and I wouldn't need to override anything	21:51
+patspam	just set it to invisible	21:51
+patspam	I definitely want to keep on using the user profiling system for this sort of stuff.. it's the same reason I use wG overall - saves you from re-inventing the wheel every time	21:52
@preaction	precisely	21:52
+patspam	sometimes you want Admins to be able to see/edit profile fields that users can't though	21:53
@preaction	most likely, the Profile module would work as the Operation::User module works now, but it would then be overridable	21:54
+patspam	but Op::User doesn't let you hide fields at all	21:55
@preaction	right. "hidden" fields would be "Admin Only" instead.	21:56
+patspam	and we'd need "Not even Admins" to overcome the problem I'm experiencing	21:57
@preaction	that's what overriding the module would do for you, you could add that feature without needing to run it past me	21:57
@preaction	couldn't you change it to a ReadOnly fieldType?	21:57
@preaction	or perhaps a Hidden fieldtype would be nice?	21:58
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+patspam	take DateTime.. I'm coupled to the fact that it's a datetime mysql field	21:58
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@preaction	that's a problem?	21:58
+patspam	well the Form type determines the field type, so I couldn't just switch to some generic Form::Hidden right?	21:59
@preaction	ah	22:00
+patspam	I'd need to create a new Form class that subclasses Form::DateTime and does everything the same except hides itself from view	22:01
+patspam	I'd prefer that we embrace the idea of people using User Profiling fields for internal data in the wG API, and provide a way to flag fields that should be hidden completely from Edit Profile	22:02
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@preaction	patspam: what about the users table instead?	22:12
+patspam	hang custom data there?	22:13
@preaction	yeah	22:14
+patspam	but then you'd need to write the code to modify the users table	22:15
+patspam	you get that for free with User Profiling	22:15
@preaction	why? just alter table	22:15
+patspam	yeah that's what I mean	22:15
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+patspam	s/code/sql/	22:15
@preaction	would be much more work to add a "Really Hide Field" flag to the profile fields	22:16
+patspam	but it's a change you make once, to the core, and then everyone benefits	22:16
+patspam	where everyone = possibly just me ;)	22:17
@preaction	would a readonly flag work?	22:18
+patspam	yeah I think so, all we need to do is stop Op::User from displaying the field to Admins	22:18
@preaction	having a "visible" and "hide from admin" seems .. bad	22:19
@preaction	but having readonly work for admins as well	22:19
+patspam	oh, readonly	22:19
+patspam	that would work too	22:19
+patspam	possibly preferable	22:19
+patspam	because then you can pseudo debug the extra user data	22:19
+patspam	essentially what I did in the case of a Group field (turning it into a Guid field)	22:20
+patspam	I like being able to see the groupId there when I'm diagnosing something	22:20
+patspam	but I think that would be more work	22:21
+patspam	because you'd have to make it work for all Form:: classes	22:21
+patspam	whereas excluding the field altogether is independent of the class	22:21
+perlDreamer	patspam, the problem only exists with "typed" fields that prepopulate	22:22
@preaction	all fields can be turned readonly, it's part of the class	22:22
@preaction	it just calls getValueAsHtml	22:22
+patspam	oh, perfect :)	22:22
+patspam	current options include: Visible, Editable & Required, all which implicitly refer to what the end user (as opposed to the Admin) can see/do	22:24
+patspam	rather than calling this "Readonly", which would be confusing to distinguish from Editable	22:25
+patspam	I think it should be called something that implies "not modified by users"	22:25
+perlDreamer	users, including Admin	22:26
+patspam	yeah	22:26
+perlDreamer	which means that if there's a problem, an Admin couldn't fix the value	22:26
+patspam	or more generally, not editable via the UI	22:26
+patspam	yep, it's only ever supposed to be modified by code	22:26
+patspam	we can't let Admins edit it, because of bug #11586	22:27
+patspam	s/bug/rfe/	22:27
bipolar	Can anyone help me get form emails working? I setup a form, set 'Email Data' to yes and I set the To field to the address I want. In the webgui settings, under the 'messaging' tab I have the ip address of my mail server in the SMTP server field. I'm not seeing a connection from webgui in my mail server logs. any idea what I could be doing wrong?	22:29
+perlDreamer	bipolar, is spectre running?	22:30
bipolar	yes	22:30
+perlDreamer	are there errors in the WebGUI log file?	22:30
+patspam	bipolar: the "wgd mail" command line tool is handy for diagnosing that	22:30
@preaction	is the mailQueue empty?	22:30
bipolar	I don't see anything in the log files. Let me get my enviro setup so I can run the wdg command...	22:31
@preaction	what does perl spectre.pl --test say?	22:32
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+perlDreamer	bipolar, in addition to wgd mail, it would be good to up the logging level to WARN or INFO until you get this problem resolved	22:32
bipolar	hmm... where do I find the wgd command?	22:33
+perlDreamer	it's an extra add-on, bipolar	22:33
+perlDreamer	you can get a copy from the bazaar	22:33
bipolar	oh...	22:33
+perlDreamer	or, you can build a copy by hand from github	22:34
+perlDreamer	it doesn't come with the WRE	22:34
+perlDreamer	... yet	22:34
+patspam	:)	22:34
+perlDreamer	bipolar: to summarize: check the mailQueue table for entries. If there are entries in there, and they stay in there longer than 10 minutes, it's a WebGUI/spectre issue.	22:35
+perlDreamer	get a copy of wgd, because it makes maintaining and debugging WebGUI sites delightful	22:35
bipolar	ok. I'll grab wgd	22:36
+perlDreamer	also, run the built-in spectre debuggin commands spectre.pl --test for additional, easy diagnostics	22:36
CIA-57	wgdev: Graham Knop master * r1fcfab3 / lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm : use reasonable defaults if uploads directory doesn't exist - http://bit.ly/9HFrJ8	22:37
Haarg	i really need to put out a new version	22:38
+perlDreamer	yeah!	22:39
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+perlDreamer	hm	22:43
+patspam	how about calling the new User Profiling option "Admin Editable"	22:44
bipolar	I take it I should install wgd's missing perl prerequisites from cpan, right?	22:44
+perlDreamer	bipolar: yes	22:44
bipolar	kk	22:44
+perlDreamer	patspam: it would have to be default ON for all new, and existing profile fields, yes?	22:44
+patspam	yep	22:44
+perlDreamer	I think something that users have to turn on would be better	22:44
+perlDreamer	rather than off	22:44
+patspam	yeah, to preserve existing behaviour	22:45
+perlDreamer	pop quiz for any dev in the channel: which assetLineage option for relatives doesn't use lineage at all?	22:45
+patspam	bipolar: if you follow http://www.webgui.org/wiki/the-wre-and-your-shell-environment you can just run "wre cpan ." in the wgd directory and it will install all the dependencies for you	22:45
bipolar	patspam: yeah, that would have been a little quicker :)	22:46
+patspam	or you don't even need to run wgd via WRE's perl	22:46
bipolar	this server is really nakid. very limited system perl. It just runs Webgui	22:47
+patspam	(but that would involve installing all of WebGUI's dependencies into your other Perl)	22:47
+patspam	oh ok, no WRE?	22:47
bipolar	patspam: yeah. I used WRE.	22:47
bipolar	it's a bare bones debian install with WRE and thats it.	22:48
+patspam	oh, I see	22:48
bipolar	ok. wgd is built	22:48
+patspam	perlDreamer: self?	22:50
+perlDreamer	hm, that's two	22:50
+patspam	and siblings and children use parent	22:51
bipolar	wgd doesn't seem to be autodetecting my webgui root directory.	22:51
+patspam	set export WEBGUI_ROOT=/data/WebGUI (or whatever)	22:51
Haarg	it should autodetect it if you are in it or a subdirectory	22:52
+patspam	and similarly for WEBGUI_CONFIG	22:52
Haarg	or if the WEBGUI_ROOT env var is set	22:52
bipolar	Mail queue has 8 message(s).	22:53
Haarg	i should probably just stick wgdev on cpan even though it is useless on its own	22:53
Haarg	updated the version in the bazaar	22:53
+patspam	yeah, would make it easier for people to install	22:53
+patspam	always takes me 2 minutes to find it in the bazaar	22:53
Haarg	alternatively	22:54
Haarg	curl -O http://haarg.org/wgd && chmod +x wgd	22:54
+patspam	fatpacker++	22:55
Haarg	yeah, works much better than what i had been doing prior	22:55
Haarg	although it makes extracting pod annoying	22:55
CIA-57	wgdev: Graham Knop master * r588e676 / (4 files in 4 dirs): update changes file and version numbers - http://bit.ly/9NAAZK	22:57
CIA-57	wgdev: Graham Knop master * re02c487 / lib/WGDev/Asset.pm : silence potential warnings - http://bit.ly/9uxdqu	22:57
CIA-57	wgdev: Graham Knop master * r326a15b / bin/wgd : remove version from wgd script file - http://bit.ly/aMnXRi	22:57
+perlDreamer	I don't think wgd would be any different from any other plugin that requires a base to operate	22:58
bipolar	I think I got something....	22:58
bipolar	ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1056] - ADMIN: Couldn't fetch Spectre configuration data for www.example.com.conf : malformed JSON string, neither array, object, number, string or atom, at character offset 0 ["<!DOCTYPE html PUBLI..."] at ../lib/Spectre/Admin.pm line 158.	22:59
bipolar	thats in webgui.log	22:59
+patspam	you have a syntax error in your site config	22:59
bipolar	grrr	22:59
+patspam	err	22:59
+patspam	no	22:59
+perlDreamer	check spectre.conf	22:59
+patspam	sorry	22:59
+perlDreamer	for JSON syntax errors	22:59
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Haarg	it's not spectre with the priblem	23:01
+patspam	http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/11607 ("Admin Editable" for User Profile fields)	23:01
bipolar	perlDreamer: the spectre.conf file is an exact copy of the example file. I just checked with diff. I don't see anything in the file that it should be hung up on, but I'm not familure with the format.	23:01
Haarg	the site is giving back html of some kind instead of json data	23:01
Haarg	is the sitename set correctly in the config file?	23:02
bipolar	ah.... I'm running on an ip address.	23:02
bipolar	let me set it in the hosts file.	23:02
Haarg	the first entry needs to be something that will resolve to the correct site	23:02
bipolar	ok. the error message is gone	23:04
+perlDreamer	bipolar, now you should restart spectre	23:11
+perlDreamer	so that it gets the config data from WebGUI for your site	23:11
+perlDreamer	or does it do that automatically....?	23:11
@preaction	you must restart for any conf changes	23:11
bipolar	perlDreamer: 'wreservice.pl --restart spectre' should do that, right?	23:11
@preaction	and webgui probably	23:11
@preaction	wreservice.pl --restart modperl spectre	23:12
bipolar	wreservice.pl --restart all	23:12
bipolar	:P	23:12
@preaction	why shutdown mysql and modproxy if you don't have to?	23:12
+perlDreamer	they need to be taught a lesson	23:12
bipolar	they're not being used for anything else, might as well beat them too	23:13
bipolar	ok. there are still 8 messages in the queue	23:13
+perlDreamer	the spectre mail queue processor runs every 5 minutes or so	23:13
+perlDreamer	give it a bit	23:13
+perlDreamer	and watch webgui.log for more problems	23:14
bipolar	sigh	23:14
bipolar	WebGUI::Session::ErrorHandler::security[404] - Visitor (1) connecting from 127.0.1.2 attempted to Tried to make a Spectre workflow data load request, but we're only allowed to accept requests from 127.0.1.1/32,127.0.0.1/32.	23:14
bipolar	back to the hosts file...	23:14
+perlDreamer	:)	23:14
Haarg	there is a setting in the site config file for that	23:15
Haarg	spectreSubnets or something	23:15
bipolar	too late! I already beat on the hosts file and am restarting ;P	23:15
bipolar	nothing in the log file yet.	23:18
+perlDreamer	it's like Heinz ketchup	23:18
+perlDreamer	anticipation is making you wait	23:18
bipolar	so I should bang on the side of the case until red stuff comes out the other side?	23:18
bipolar	hmm... how would I do that for a VM?	23:19
@khenn	does anyone know if you can call duplicate on an asset and then append the new asset you just created directly to another parent (similar to addChild)?	23:20
+perlDreamer	setParent	23:20
+perlDreamer	or, call addChild on the new parent with $oldAsset->get for the properties	23:21
@scrottie	ugh	23:21
bipolar	woot! there they are	23:21
bipolar	the email just dumped	23:21
+perlDreamer	there ya go, bipolar	23:21
@khenn	thanks pd	23:21
@khenn	I think that's what I've been looking for	23:21
@khenn	I figured copy and paste would do it	23:22
@khenn	but they do some weird sorcery that I got tired of tracing	23:22
@scrottie	... which is exactly what won't work in 8.0 as it is. and I guess I can't count on addRevision to sort things out to make it work.	23:22
+perlDreamer	paste requires that the current asset be the new parent	23:22
@scrottie	I was just getting around to looking at how to fix this cleanly.	23:22
bipolar	thanks perlDreamer, Haarg, preaction, patspam	23:23
+perlDreamer	bipolar, if you learned anything interesting, please consider adding a page to the wiki on webgui.org	23:23
@scrottie	maybe get() just shouldn't return attributes that still have default values unless explicitly requested.	23:23
+perlDreamer	get() has to return ALL attributes, except for session	23:23
+perlDreamer	if you change how get() works, then you get to rewrite 65 assets,	23:24
+perlDreamer	20-30 macros	23:24
@scrottie	no! I'll be good! no!	23:24
+perlDreamer	a dozen Workflow Activities	23:24
@scrottie	not that!	23:24
+perlDreamer	and every piece of custom asset code in the world	23:24
* scrottie bawls		23:24
@khenn	create a new method?	23:24
@khenn	getWithoutDefaults()	23:24
+perlDreamer	no, it's WebGUI8-isms, khenn	23:24
@khenn	I'm horrible at naming stuff	23:24
+perlDreamer	get() has to keep doing the same thing it used to	23:25
@khenn	yeah I don't know much about WG8	23:25
@khenn	yet	23:25
+perlDreamer	you will	23:25
@khenn	I'm sure I'll hate it =)	23:25
+perlDreamer	actually, it would be good to start now	23:25
@khenn	if only I had the time ...	23:25
@scrottie	I think I need to figure out how this worked in 7.... but now I know that it's possible to get get() directly to set() and have it work.	23:25
@scrottie	er, get() to update(), at least.	23:25
@khenn	I'm having trouble finding time to add simple features to 7.x	23:25
@khenn	let alone start messing around with 8	23:26
+perlDreamer	the longer you let us run unchecked, the harder it will be to get thing turned around later	23:26
@khenn	gonna just have to trust that you guys aren't screwing things up too badly =)	23:26
@khenn	it's preaction I worry about	23:26
@khenn	=p	23:26
+perlDreamer	preaction is the guy who goes around saying, "If you do that, it'll screw khenn over. We can't do that"	23:27
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@preaction	he has a point	23:28
@khenn	and by "khenn" he actually means "our biggest clients"	23:28
@khenn	=)	23:28
@khenn	not me	23:28
@khenn	I'm sure he could care less about screwing me over	23:28
@preaction	well, i say "clients", but I mean "pb devs"	23:28
+perlDreamer	oh no, he knows if we make headaches for you, you'll just dump it onto the support boards	23:28
@preaction	it's the getEditForm, www_edit, and www_add stuff that is the biggest break from prior behavior, but i did it for custom dev really	23:29
@khenn	doesn't matter to me really what you do	23:29
@preaction	it will in about 12 months when you start migrating	23:29
@khenn	I can't wait to have the opportunity to re-write a bunch of this spaghetti I work with on a daily basis	23:29
@khenn	I'm slowly doing it now	23:29
@khenn	whoever subclassed WebGUI::User was a genious	23:30
@khenn	I wish I'd thought of that from the beginning	23:30
@khenn	genius ?	23:30
@khenn	I can't spell	23:30
@khenn	meh, too bad I'm dealing with File assets	23:31
+perlDreamer	we don't keep you around for you spelling khenn	23:31
@khenn	otherwise it looks like I could use setParent to move these things	23:31
@khenn	rather than creating new assets	23:31
+perlDreamer	you can use setParent to move most assets	23:31
@khenn	yeah	23:31
+perlDreamer	but some assets won't let you put them anywhere	23:31
@khenn	but the problem is that the assets are tied to users	23:31
@khenn	so when I go to delete the old user	23:31
@khenn	it will delete the storage location	23:32
@khenn	even if it doesn't delete the asset	23:32
@khenn	gotta duplicate first	23:32
@khenn	so I get a new storage location	23:32
@preaction	khenn: that was probably Stephen Opal	23:32
@khenn	safer that way	23:32
+perlDreamer	yeah	23:32
+perlDreamer	as long as the asset remembers to duplicate the storage location...	23:32
@khenn	it was me too	23:32
@khenn	and it does	23:32
@khenn	I checked	23:32
@khenn	duplicate on WebGUI::File type assets create new storage locations	23:33
@khenn	you think Opal subclassed WebGUI::User?	23:33
@khenn	preaction: that would have been my last guess	23:33
@khenn	I thought perlDreamer did it tbh	23:33
@preaction	i know he wrote the WebGUI::Friends subclass to bypass some problems in there, probably had to do the WebGUI::User one too	23:34
* perlDreamer would not subclass WebGUI::User		23:35
+perlDreamer	because to be really useful, you'd have to find all usages of WebGUI::User throughout the core	23:35
+perlDreamer	you should make stuff like that into a user profile field	23:35
+perlDreamer	:P	23:35
* perlDreamer is off to pick up the kids, back in 30		23:36
@khenn	actually it's great for their custom stuff	23:37
@khenn	cause you can cast regular WebGUI::User objects into the subclassed one	23:37
@scrottie	push @WebGUI::User::ISA, __PACKAGE__	23:37
@khenn	and then I can do all sorts of stuff that makes sense to be in their own user	23:37
@khenn	scrottie: what does that do?	23:38
@preaction	makes WebGUI::User a subclass of your current package	23:38
@frodwith	makes WebGUI::User a subclass of the current package.	23:38
@scrottie	(note: it is in your best interest to disregard all one-liners from me; one-liners from me are, without exception, code gags)	23:38
ckotil	ANyone recall what changed between 7.6.35 - 7.8.20 that effects newlines in email messages?	23:38
@khenn	oh	23:38
* frodwith eyes preaction.		23:38
@khenn	so it's the same as use base	23:39
@frodwith	no, other way 'round	23:39
@preaction	no	23:39
@khenn	yeah	23:39
@preaction	hey, WebGUI::User, you are now a subclass of me whether you want to be or not!	23:39
@khenn	I don't want WebGUI::User to be a subclass of my object	23:39
@scrottie	all your us are belong to base!	23:39
@khenn	heh	23:39
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patspam1	haarg++ #http://marcus.nordaaker.com/2010/06/dbix-class-about-to-switch-to-git	00:01
@khenn	haarg: was svn that annoying?	00:04
@khenn	I'm sure it was since I've repressed my memories of it =)	00:05
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@scrottie	svn attempted to create a less cranky version of cvs and it's my opinion that they did the opposite.	00:07
@scrottie	still, "sucks less than cvs" is good marketing. or was.	00:07
Haarg	svn seems like the best you could do with the cvs-style model. still horrible though.	00:11
Haarg	it was actually a project jt pointed out to me, since i had done the svn to git conversion for webgui	00:12
+perlDreamer	ckotil, check the bug board :)	00:13
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CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r951864f / (3 files in 3 dirs): Add more tests for Calendar edge cases, and remove 1 day from the all day event window in getEventsIn. Fixes bug #11596. - http://bit.ly/9z2LBs	00:54
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r4b4101e / (3 files in 3 dirs): Add more tests for Calendar edge cases, and remove 1 day from the all day event window in getEventsIn. Fixes bug #11596. - http://bit.ly/cwSulR	00:55
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+perlDreamer	khenn, helpdesk patch applied to pb.com, and wg.org	01:06
+perlDreamer	time for testing!	01:06
@khenn	sweet	01:06
@khenn	I'll test later	01:06
@khenn	baseball time	01:06
+perlDreamer	it works	01:15
+perlDreamer	have fun at Matthew's baseball	01:15
+perlDreamer	patspam++ http://blogs.perl.org/users/sawyer_x/2010/06/perl-on-shared-hosting-ftw.html	01:49
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+perlDreamer	scrottie, finally getting around to WebGUI 8 comparison testing	01:57
@scrottie	perlDreamer, after blowing away the MySQL database and re-init'ing, the wierdness went away	02:06
+perlDreamer	that's good news	02:07
+perlDreamer	I'll just run the current HEAD as a baseline against the old	02:07
@scrottie	cool.	02:07
@scrottie	yeah, I need to do a comprehensive test run before/after but I'm trying to figure out why some of these fields can't be copied from the old object to the new... what the rhyme and reason is.	02:08
@scrottie	I mean, for some of them, the problem it causes is clear, but I want to know the general pattern.	02:08
@scrottie	I imagine a full test suite run is just going to turn up more attributes that have to be handled specially.	02:11
+perlDreamer	perhaps	02:13
@scrottie	er, maybe not "just", but "largely".	02:13
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+perlDreamer	we may need to check for those problem attributes specifically	02:14
+perlDreamer	for example, session was never an attribute before now	02:15
+perlDreamer	now that it is, get should not return it	02:15
+perlDreamer	because it never did before	02:15
+perlDreamer	similarly with keywords, but the opposite	02:15
+perlDreamer	get would work with keywords, but only as a convenience	02:15
@scrottie	in the latest iteration, get() returns allPropertiesMode => 1 when not given an argument. when set() sees this, it skips some fields entirely and makes sure others are initialized.	02:16
@scrottie	but what you suggest is interesting too.	02:16
@scrottie	I guess I should make a list of things get() returned before vs now.	02:17
+perlDreamer	we should just make a test :)	02:17
@scrottie	stuff something in attributes/properties to handle how they get returned might make sense too if there aren't already clues.	02:17
+perlDreamer	okay, on master/HEAD, things look like they're back to normal	02:18
+perlDreamer	I'll write some explicit tests for everything I can think of	02:18
+perlDreamer	and they'll be in t/Asset.t	02:18
+perlDreamer	since that's the baseline Asset test suite	02:18
+perlDreamer	in bash, how do you do extensively nested quoting?	02:19
+perlDreamer	~colink/wgd for-each --exec='~colink/wgd db -e "select * from Workflow where workflowId=\'pbworkflow000000000007\' " '	02:19
+perlDreamer	bash doesn't like that	02:19
@scrottie	I don't. perl -e.	02:19
@scrottie	or perl\n and type stuff.	02:19
+perlDreamer	that won't work in this case	02:20
@scrottie	system, glob, ...	02:20
+perlDreamer	well, maybe	02:20
@scrottie	qq{}, q{}	02:20
@scrottie	kinda weak answer, I know.	02:20
@scrottie	do you really want to run those tests? I can get to some of that in a bit here. I just felt the need to take a break and try to figure out everything that might get initialized to something more intersting than what would get copied in.	02:21
+perlDreamer	now that addRev is working, I don't see a need to run an indepth comparison	02:22
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+perlDreamer	but if I write the tests for what get should/shouldn't return, it'll help you immediately, and document it for the future	02:22
+perlDreamer	that's a good win in this case	02:22
@scrottie	didn't know if you were proposing testing versions that inspect attribute's metadata and various other things.	02:23
@scrottie	okay, that makes sense.	02:23
@scrottie	I just don't want to create work, that's all ;)	02:23
+perlDreamer	I have a VM to use for doing dev work for the 10 minutes it takes the tests to run	02:24
+perlDreamer	so not a total loss :)	02:24
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CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r74b500e / t/Asset.t : Tests for properties that should be returned by get, and some that should not. Done by hash inspection. -	02:37
+perlDreamer	that'll give you an idea, scrottie	02:38
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@scrottie	yeah. some of these things, get() needs to return but set() needs to ignore.	02:50
+perlDreamer	this may help, it may not	02:52
+perlDreamer	anything that is a basic Moose attribute should never be set	02:52
@scrottie	...	02:53
+perlDreamer	so, if it's declared with "has", set should ignore it	02:53
+perlDreamer	but if it's declared with "property", it should use it	02:54
+perlDreamer	which is just going to be odd	02:54
+perlDreamer	since the mutators will work	02:54
+perlDreamer	but that can be fixed	02:54
+perlDreamer	we can is => 'ro' them	02:54
@scrottie	a number of them are already ro.	02:55
@scrottie	getWritableAttributes has to check metadata for that. and does that.	02:55
@scrottie	in my branch.	02:56
@scrottie	this takes me back to the start here. at one point, I asked in the channel if there was any reason why set() shouldn't accept attributes as well as properties. the consensus was that there was no reason.	02:56
@scrottie	turns out, there is a reason -- stuff returned from get() (nil argument list) passed back to set() clobbers initialized data with junk.	02:57
+perlDreamer	no, we can't is => 'ro' them	02:57
+perlDreamer	since there's no way to update the object itself otherwise	02:57
+perlDreamer	just the database	02:57
@scrottie	er, in my branch, getWritableAttributes checks for ro; I haven't added ro to anything.	02:57
+perlDreamer	me either, not yet	02:57
@scrottie	making more things ro would fix things from my point of view but could easily break other things.	02:58
@scrottie	man MacBookPros get warm in the summer in AZ.	02:58
+perlDreamer	yes	02:58
@scrottie	this thing is going to need its own dedicated fan.	02:58
@scrottie	I don't remember... it might only have been the keywords field that benefits from set() writing attributes as well as properties. you were suggesting wrapping keyword in the Asset::Snippet subclass; I was fussing about wraping methods at multiple points on the inheritance tree.	02:59
@scrottie	maybe that is the best approach. but I might do penance for that sin by merging mixin stuff into the class that has stuff that the mixin depends upon and flatten inheritance back into 2D.	03:00
+perlDreamer	I was suggesting making Keyword.pm a Role that wraps get, set, and update	03:01
@scrottie	oh, right.	03:01
@scrottie	Object is generally the root class of objects, not a mixin that some things get and not others. you don't have objects that aren't Object. that's silly.	03:02
@scrottie	what else besides Assets have get/set/update?	03:02
@scrottie	oh, Assets are a role that Assets get.	03:03
* scrottie sighs		03:03
+perlDreamer	:)	03:04
@scrottie	I feel like I'm reading C here. One thing #includes another and that #includes another.	03:04
@scrottie	All the Asset*.pm classes get sucked right into Asset then all of this role stuff gets sucked in too.	03:05
+perlDreamer	I've lobbied for those to be made roles as well, but it was not well received	03:05
@scrottie	I'd really like to construct a inheritance hierachy out of this.	03:05
+perlDreamer	It's pretty simple until you get to Asset.pm	03:06
@scrottie	you're essentially monkey patching the heck out of something. you have core functionality -- such as object construction -- living off in monkey patches.	03:06
+perlDreamer	do you mean the newByLineage method, or something else?	03:06
@scrottie	don't remember.	03:07
+perlDreamer	but yes, it's weird having AssetClipboard pushing stuff into the Asset namespace	03:07
+perlDreamer	that's what a Role is supposed to do	03:07
+perlDreamer	but there aren't any other objects that would benefit from it	03:07
@scrottie	roles really only make sense when you already have an existing inheritance hierachy and then, tangetical to that, you want to mix and match other functionality.	03:07
@scrottie	right now, there is no inheritance hierachy.	03:08
@scrottie	no one has sat down and said "this is a more specific case of this, and this is a more specific case of that, and all of them share this logic so it goes up there".	03:08
+perlDreamer	making generalizations like that are often counter productive	03:08
+perlDreamer	because I have done that, but not on a wide scale	03:08
@scrottie	hrm.	03:09
+perlDreamer	for example, marking an asset to always be hidden used to be copied and pasted everywhere	03:10
@scrottie	well, I'm trying to explore the idea of reworking this stuff into a hierachy or class tree to the degree possible before roles are added.	03:10
+perlDreamer	I'll hold off on implementing any large scale roles then	03:11
+perlDreamer	or, at the very least, I'll give you a heads up so we can talk about them	03:11
@scrottie	yeah. talk would be good.	03:11
@scrottie	I don't know what I'm getting into.	03:11
+perlDreamer	what you want may not be feasible due to backwards compatibility	03:12
@scrottie	yeah.	03:12
+perlDreamer	but there's no way to know until you try	03:12
+perlDreamer	to me, from Definition on down to Asset.pm, the hierarchy is pretty clear and straight forward	03:12
+perlDreamer	but from Asset on down, it's circular	03:13
+perlDreamer	An Asset isa WebGUI::Definition::Asset, which is a specialization of WebGUI::Definition	03:14
+perlDreamer	attributes of the Asset get Definition/Role/Asset, which is a specialization of Role/Object	03:14
+perlDreamer	and then there's the meta class methods	03:14
@scrottie	ack 'with ' \| grep -e ':with' \| wc -l # 53	03:18
+perlDreamer	for starters, ack 'with' Asset* will help you ignore the FormBuilder stuff	03:21
+perlDreamer	and the Definition stuff, neither of which you can really help	03:21
+perlDreamer	RssFeed is the Role for adding Rss Feeds to an Asset	03:21
+perlDreamer	Comments adds JSON enabled comments to an Asset	03:21
+perlDreamer	AlwaysHidden is the role that guarantee that all instances of this asset are always hidden	03:22
@scrottie	nice.	03:22
+perlDreamer	and SetStoragePermission guarantees that file system privileges track asset privileges	03:22
+perlDreamer	there are 53 because they're used in various sets by different Assets, as each is needed	03:22
+perlDreamer	Wobject and Sku should both be Roles	03:23
+perlDreamer	and technically, Wobject should be several roles because not all Wobjects needs everything the Wobject package provides	03:23
+perlDreamer	Subscribable allows users to subscribe to an asset and to be notified via email of changes	03:24
+perlDreamer	Did I miss any?	03:24
@scrottie	mix and matching behavior altering code into various subclasses of a class (Assets) seems aligned with the ideas of roles. that I approve of.	03:24
@scrottie	mixing and matching	03:24
@scrottie	and that certainly beats cut and paste.	03:24
+perlDreamer	yup	03:24
+perlDreamer	aside from the monkey patching of Asset*.pm, what else do you see that bothers you?	03:25
@scrottie	nothing at the moment!	03:25
@scrottie	er, wait.	03:26
+perlDreamer	yeah, that's enough, isn't it? :)	03:26
@scrottie	I can always open another can of worms.	03:26
+perlDreamer	please do	03:26
@scrottie	I'd like to see data persistance done well.	03:26
+perlDreamer	that's a WebGUI 9 project	03:26
@scrottie	yeah.	03:26
+perlDreamer	we'd like to see it, too	03:26
+perlDreamer	but there's just no way for it to happen this quickly	03:26
@scrottie	and I don't think a DSL for querying the database is the answer either.	03:26
@scrottie	that's a small, incremental cleanup, at best.	03:26
@scrottie	yeah.	03:26
+perlDreamer	DSL?	03:27
+perlDreamer	you mean WebGUI::SQL?	03:27
@scrottie	DBIx::Class.	03:27
@scrottie	KiokuDB has some neat ideas but it doesn't map to a normalized database schema. it's just an opaque data store.	03:30
* perlDreamer has to go make dinner, but I'll backlog		03:31
@scrottie	think I'm done ranting. and I'm going to head out before long here myself. thanks for the tests and for talking through this stuff with me.	03:31
@scrottie	and sorry for boarding on insults there.	03:32
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@scrottie	bordering.	04:29
+perlDreamer	WebGUI people are very thick skinned	04:51
+perlDreamer	it comes from years of Perl people dissing us for not using Moose, DBIx::Class, and MOTD	04:51
@scrottie	hah	04:51
@scrottie	I'm happy to return cannon fire to whoever these people are.	04:51
@scrottie	did you make YAPC last year?	04:52
@scrottie	I think I already asked you that...	04:52
+perlDreamer	no, I've never been to a YAPC	04:52
@scrottie	I did an Acme::RightSideOutObject lightning talk. it fixes all of your inside-out object code for you and makes your inside out objects look/work right side out again.	04:53
@scrottie	previous two YAPCs had talk after talk on inside out objects. then poof, people stopped talking about that and started talking about Moose. subtext was, if you use the module de jour, you're going to get stuck having to take all of that out if you want to follow the next trend.	04:55
+perlDreamer	exactly	04:55
+perlDreamer	although, I think Moose is around to stay	04:55
+perlDreamer	but that's just a WAG	04:55
* perlDreamer is off for further domestic tasks!		04:55
@scrottie	alrigh. tomorrow...	04:56
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CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r7b27498 / lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm : Change ->get to direct object accessors. - http://bit.ly/9TYbz0	06:00
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * re3de7cd / t/AssetHelper/Cut.t : Update object accessors, fix a problem with pasting. - http://bit.ly/cbXXV2	06:00
@frodwith	Damn you people. I'm going to have to start paying attention to this channel if you keep up this interesting conversation stuff.	06:17
+perlDreamer	ha!	06:17
+perlDreamer	frodwith, when do you journey south, next?	06:18
@scrottie	oh, heh, I did the same thing and ran a smattering of tests. nice, perlDreamer.	06:18
@frodwith	Whenever I feel the need, perlDreamer. I'm not out of nifty books to read yet, but me and the wife have been kind of cabin-fevery lately. You want to meet up soonish?	06:19
+perlDreamer	the kids are out of school in two weeks, which would make getting together more difficult	06:19
+perlDreamer	not impossible, but more difficult	06:19
@frodwith	whenever's good for you is probably good for me. I'm pretty commitment-less outside of sunday mornings.	06:20
* perlDreamer will check the schedule		06:22
+perlDreamer	tomorrow	06:22
+perlDreamer	time for this old man to go to sleep, so that the servers can wake me up in a few hours	06:22
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CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rdcb9bac / t/Definition/Asset.t : One plan per test, please! - http://bit.ly/94r9Dg	06:24
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r2976539 / t/Macro/UsersOnline.t : Content check via truthiness. - http://bit.ly/cl3gPj	06:27
@scrottie	alright, tomorrow I'm going to see about subclass get/set/update in ::Snippet to accept keyword. that should be quick, fun, sane and easy.	06:29
@scrottie	after beating a long path around the outside =P	06:29
@scrottie	thanks for your help and g'nite.	06:29
@scrottie	I'll also try to propose solutions and roll up patches rather than blathering on so much... once I'm a little more sure of what I'm doing ;)	06:30
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carogray	hello. Good morning, good day!	13:48
carogray	Just wondering...is there a way to get the title of an asset to appear in 'tool tip' in the navigation asset?	13:49
carogray	so the links in ...huh, maybe I wll just try it.	13:49
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+bartjol	carogray: did you succeed?	15:51
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@tavisto	at the pool	17:45
+bartjol	the pool?	18:03
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+perlDreamer	Does everybody get to go to the pool except for me?	18:52
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@khenn	is there a general template variable for isAdmin ?	19:52
+perlDreamer	check the session template variables	19:53
+perlDreamer	khenn:session.var.adminOn	19:55
+perlDreamer	oh, wait	19:55
+perlDreamer	isAdmin?	19:55
+perlDreamer	no	19:55
@khenn	ok just admin on	19:55
+perlDreamer	yeah	19:55
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CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r723e376 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Do not delete cron tasks with errors, just notify spectre of the problem. Fixes bug #11604. - http://bit.ly/cIud3l	20:58
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@scrottie	good morning.	21:03
+perlDreamer	yo, scrottie	21:05
+perlDreamer	all: http://www.webgui.org/download/advisories/loss-of-scheduler-tasks	21:13
+perlDreamer	all: http://www.webgui.org/download/advisories/loss-of-scheduler-tasks	21:13
+perlDreamer	whoops	21:14
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+perlDreamer	hey, knowmad	21:14
knowmad	hey pd	21:14
knowmad	it's been a looong time; too long	21:14
+perlDreamer	hopefully you've been very busy :)	21:14
knowmad	but we've been busy creating award-winning WebGUI sites!	21:15
knowmad	our Mallard Creek design won 2 Hermes Creative awards	21:15
+perlDreamer	awesome! Congratulations.	21:15
knowmad	http://www.webgui.org/sightings/business/gallery/mallard-creek-polymers	21:15
knowmad	we've also been contracted by a local university to implement a new site in wG	21:16
+perlDreamer	you should tell Tavis so he can put a note in that about the award	21:16
knowmad	and i'm talking to them about doing workflows which would be cool	21:16
+perlDreamer	knowmad, are you subscribed to the advisories?	21:17
knowmad	good idea	21:17
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knowmad	i think so, why?	21:17
+perlDreamer	http://www.webgui.org/download/advisories/loss-of-scheduler-tasks	21:17
ckotil	ah, the patch their? the email didnt have a link to it	21:17
ckotil	err. there.	21:17
+perlDreamer	it was an attachment to the original post on the CS	21:18
knowmad	ouch! will that impact upgrades from 7.7 or just those who upgraded to the versions that were affected?	21:18
+perlDreamer	it's in 7.8.18 and 7.9.3 and higher	21:19
knowmad	but if i wait until the fix is released before upgrading past those versions, i'll be OK?	21:19
knowmad	we're a bit behind on our upgrades...	21:19
+perlDreamer	yes, you'll be fine if you wait until 7.9.7, or 7.8.21	21:20
knowmad	cool	21:20
knowmad	hey, besides needing to check-in and say hello, i also have a question	21:20
+perlDreamer	ask away :)	21:20
knowmad	at one time I thought that the data form was storing edits to entries; eg., i add an entry then view it and edit it and it stores a new copy	21:21
knowmad	i just tried this out on the demo site and it appears to not be available anymore	21:21
knowmad	or at least not via the GUI	21:21
knowmad	i haven't gone digging into the db yet	21:21
+perlDreamer	I haven't looked at the DataForm in a while, but as far as I know that should still work	21:21
knowmad	ok, i'll double-check the code; thanks	21:22
knowmad	nope, doesn't appear to store changes any longer -- http://demo.webgui.org/demo1275588337_449/home/form	21:28
ckotil	does the restore cron script overwrite existing default crons?	21:28
+perlDreamer	no	21:30
+perlDreamer	if the cron is missing, it adds it	21:30
+perlDreamer	otherwise, it leaves it alone	21:30
ckotil	cool	21:30
ckotil	thanks	21:30
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Haarg	knowmad, as far as i know, edits were never saved in dataform entries. i believe the sql form did though.	00:11
knowmad	Hey Haarg. Thanks for the feedback. I must be thinking of that...	00:12
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@scrottie	mmmm'kay.	00:33
knowmad	do i have to upgrade from 7.7.22 to 7.7.33 in order to go to 7.8.20?	00:38
Haarg	yes	00:39
knowmad	this is not clearly indicated from any of the docs I'm reading	00:39
knowmad	is this an assumed upgrade path to go to last stable branch of current major.minor release?	00:39
@preaction	yes	00:40
Haarg	that's a good assumption that has been stuck to since 7.4 at least.	00:40
Haarg	it should also be explicitly mentioned in the gotchas file	00:41
knowmad	Haarg: the only mention in gotchas is upgrading to 7.7.20	00:41
Haarg	hmm	00:42
knowmad	yeah, you can see why I tried to go straight from 7.7.22 to 7.8.20 (yeah, i should know better but it's been awhile since i've done my upgrades)	00:46
+perlDreamer	knowmad, wait a week before upgrading to 7.8.21	00:51
+perlDreamer	until next Tuesday, when the fix for the cron bug comes out	00:51
+perlDreamer	otherwise, you're just making more work for yourself	00:51
+perlDreamer	with patching and all	00:51
knowmad	yeah, thanks for reminder; i will do that for production; i'm just testing the pathway	00:51
Haarg	7.8.21 gotcha also needs fixing	00:52
+perlDreamer	thanks, Haarg!	00:52
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CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r638ab2a / docs/gotcha.txt : Fix the gotcha for .21, and document the stop version for 7.7.33 to 7.8.13 - http://bit.ly/cF4vU0	00:54
+perlDreamer	knowmad, also see this wiki page: http://www.webgui.org/wiki/stop-versions	00:54
knowmad	ahh, so that is documented!	00:54
Haarg	i definitely want to get something for stop versions in WebGUI::Upgrade, but there are a number of things to take care of before that	00:55
knowmad	i'm working on going through the 7.x changelogs to document the major changes between releases	00:55
knowmad	is there anything in the wiki along those lines that i've overlooked? no need to duplicate others work	00:55
knowmad	Haarg: ++	00:55
Haarg	i should be done with the current thing i've been working on and can get back to WebGUI stuff	00:55
+perlDreamer	knowmad, I don't know of any page like that	00:56
+perlDreamer	but if you start it, I'll contribute to it	00:56
knowmad	ok, i'm up to v7.2 at this point	00:56
+perlDreamer	7.2?	00:56
+perlDreamer	7.2.0?	00:57
knowmad	it's actually pretty interesting; there's been a LOT of work	00:57
knowmad	since 7.0	00:57
+perlDreamer	yes, yes there has	00:57
knowmad	i'll post a wiki entry when i'm finished	00:57
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@preaction	does anyone remember a RawHeadTags macro?	01:23
+perlDreamer	macro?	01:26
+perlDreamer	no	01:26
@preaction	lost to time, good.	01:26
+perlDreamer	found it	01:30
+perlDreamer	back in 6.8	01:30
+perlDreamer	RawHeadTags was a way to push arbitrary data into the head tags	01:33
+perlDreamer	I'm guessing that in the 6.9 series, when the session changes happened, that it went away, since Templates were given head tag blocks	01:34
+perlDreamer	Haarg++ for importing all the SVN and CVS history into git	01:34
Haarg	i just finished another svn to git conversion actually	01:35
Haarg	for DBIx::Class	01:35
+perlDreamer	I heard :)	01:35
+perlDreamer	patspam spread the news	01:35
+patspam	yeah you were getting some good kudos for it in the Perl blogosphere	01:36
+perlDreamer	Haarg isn't the only one getting kudos, patspam ;)	01:40
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r9a1c5c9 / t/Shop/PayDriver.t : Cart cleanup from leaky PayDriver test. - http://bit.ly/anmb7C	01:41
+perlDreamer	Haarg, any reason that cleanup guard in WebGUI::Test shouldn't use newPending instead of new?	01:52
Haarg	not that i can think of	01:52
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CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r4fb7933 / lib/WebGUI/Shop/CartItem.pm : Exception handling for getSku. - http://bit.ly/9mYYL5	02:11
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r0d2ac6a / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Get pending assets for cleanup. - http://bit.ly/bWeCCK	02:13
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r3ccf71a / (t/Shop/PayDriver/Ogone.t t/Shop/ShipDriver/FlatRate.t): Better test cleanups. Hopefully, this fixes the RemoveOldCarts activity. - http://bit.ly/aopsy8	02:13
+perlDreamer	preaction, i think the session scratch variables are leaking randomly	02:13
+perlDreamer	so it's wrong to assume that the session work done this week caused it	02:13
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CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r15faef5 / t/Asset/File/Image.t : Fix caching a subroutine ref. Small test cleanups. - http://bit.ly/aX4jtz	02:58
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CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rcd97f2e / t/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.t : Remove use_ok, SKIP, plan, END block. - http://bit.ly/9oSWcU	03:11
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@khenn	It feels so good to get a long standing project wrapped up	04:30
@khenn	that smothering feeling is finally gone	04:30
+perlDreamer	which project is that, khenn?	04:39
@khenn	merging duplicate users for SA	04:39
@khenn	been on the docket for 4 months now	04:40
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@khenn	perlDreamer are you here?	04:50
+perlDreamer	yes sir	04:50
+perlDreamer	neck deep in Survey guts	04:50
@khenn	I don't see any code in VersionTag.t that tests whether stuff is actually committed	04:50
+perlDreamer	that's possible	04:50
+perlDreamer	Committing code isn't done by VersionTag.t	04:50
@khenn	VersionTag->commit ...	04:51
+perlDreamer	that commits a tag	04:51
+perlDreamer	and then the tag calls each asset and commits it	04:51
+perlDreamer	so if you trust Asset->commit	04:51
@khenn	I see	04:51
+perlDreamer	then all you need to do is check that it was called	04:51
+perlDreamer	it wouldn't hurt to have code in there to do that	04:51
+perlDreamer	if you were so inclined	04:51
@khenn	I'm not even sure where I'd start with that one	04:52
@khenn	I'll just test that stuff after the fact looks right	04:52
+perlDreamer	you'd check asset state before and after commit	04:52
+perlDreamer	in the db	04:52
+perlDreamer	since the asset itself is ignorant of the change	04:52
@khenn	right	04:54
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@khenn	perlDreamer, who is the default user in the Test session?	05:00
+perlDreamer	visitor	05:02
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+perlDreamer	scrottie, I fixed a bunch of leaking tests, and we now have a few more passing tests	05:05
scrottie	cool.	05:05
scrottie	I'm moving code around. I'd like to get some comments on this, in a few here, if you're up for it.	05:06
+perlDreamer	sure	05:06
* perlDreamer needs to learn some perl debugger basics		05:10
scrottie	generally, I figure out what line I want to start at, and do perl -d whatever.pl, then c <linenumber of where I want to start>	05:11
scrottie	<return> re-does the last command of 's' or 'n' and most of the time you can hit one or the other of those two and then just hit return again and again for a while	05:11
scrottie	's' steps into functions calls and 'n' runs any function calls but doesn't return you to the prompt or print the line it's about to execute until it returns	05:12
scrottie	so 'n' lets you skip over stuff you're confident of and 's' chews through everything	05:12
+perlDreamer	s must really mean "single step"	05:12
scrottie	skip over = skip over viewing the full execution trace... the code still runs	05:12
scrottie	yeah	05:12
scrottie	and then at key points, do: x 2 $datastructure	05:13
scrottie	that dumps $datastructure with a depth of 2. anything much higher on OO code is pointlessly spammy. and you can always do x 2 $datastructure->{thingie} or x 2 $datastructure->method or whatever.	05:13
scrottie	and beyond that it, it runs perl at the prompt, kinda REPL style.	05:13
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+perlDreamer	that sounds better than diag "this", warn "that" and my $break = <>;	05:14
scrottie	yes and no. I'll thrown warns and dies in for in case I'm 'n'exting over too much stuff and I want to be alerted anyway.	05:15
scrottie	it's mix and match. if you know what's calling what pretty well and what code is running, warn/die is often plenty adequate.	05:16
scrottie	the debugger also does breakpoints, stack traces, watching variables and other fun stuff but usually I don't any of that... ahem, other than stack traces.	05:18
+perlDreamer	is there a command which says, finish the script with no more debugging?	05:19
scrottie	'c'ontinue	05:20
scrottie	without args.	05:20
scrottie	the optional arg is the breakpoint which can be a line number or perl expression to evaluate.	05:20
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+perlDreamer	this is very, very bad	05:21
scrottie	?	05:21
+perlDreamer	It's the Survey	05:22
+perlDreamer	__ patspam __, might want to listen in	05:22
+perlDreamer	in the Survey test, it creates a survey	05:22
+perlDreamer	but it doesn't commit it	05:22
+perlDreamer	later on, a new revision is added to the survey, and it does get committed	05:22
+perlDreamer	but, if you run it in WebGUI8, that doesn't happen	05:22
+perlDreamer	which means that something screwy is different about the version control code in both versions	05:23
+patspam	I planted that bug just to highlight a flaw in wg8	05:23
+perlDreamer	I THOUGHT SO!	05:23
+patspam	heh no actually kaleb did, I just juiced it up	05:24
+perlDreamer	and you made it an awesome bug	05:24
+patspam	ugh you you I really hate Survey so much	05:24
+patspam	want to rewrite the whole thing from scratch	05:24
+patspam	again	05:24
+perlDreamer	that would be a valid WebGUI8 project	05:24
+patspam	yeah, maybe if sdh lands a couple of big projects we'll be able to afford to do it	05:25
+patspam	it's core to what we do and actually does a lot of cool stuff, but it really sucks in a lot of ways too	05:25
+perlDreamer	it could use a little more polish	05:28
+perlDreamer	it's functional now	05:28
+perlDreamer	but it could be truly awesome	05:28
+perlDreamer	I got the dual sliders working, though	05:28
+perlDreamer	so it's not all bad	05:28
+patspam	perlDreamer++ # thanks for that :)	05:32
scrottie	sounds like a WhiteCastle reference.	05:36
+perlDreamer	scrottie: did you ever do a coverage run on wg8?	05:38
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rb5d1757 / t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t : change some ->gets to direct accessors. - http://bit.ly/97MxY8	05:38
scrottie	noep!	05:39
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scrottie	I've been at least partially debriefed on three other projects here, all WebGUI 7 (of course).	05:43
scrottie	I'm not sure how or if WebGUI 8 is going to figure in.	05:44
CIA-57	webgui: khenn master * r053292a / (3 files in 3 dirs): Added new API method commitAsUser allowing developers to commit version tags as other users - http://bit.ly/cVs3MR	05:45
@khenn	perlDreamer - I just pushed my new version tag method that allows you to commit as someone outside the current session	05:46
@khenn	with tests	05:46
@khenn	not sure if you are able to use that or not	05:46
@khenn	but it's there	05:46
@khenn	alright, off to bed	05:46
scrottie	sleep well, khenn	05:46
* perlDreamer will check it out soon		05:46
+perlDreamer	scrottie, there's no "step out", is there?	05:49
scrottie	honestly, I'm not sure. I don't know how things work.	05:49
scrottie	obviously, too many projects at the same time is bad... nothing gets done after a certain point than just having meetings to talk about all of the things that haven't been done.	05:50
scrottie	I think 0.4 projects per programmer is ideal =)	05:51
scrottie	ie, having slightly more than two people involved in each thing but no more. but of course, nothing is ideal in the real world.	05:52
scrottie	http://github.com/scrottie/webgui/tree/coregetsetupdate	05:52
scrottie	... waiting for firefox to load its tabs	05:52
+perlDreamer	heading into "put kids to bed time"	05:53
* perlDreamer will be in and out, with more out than in for the next 40 minutes		05:53
scrottie	ugh. browser.tabs.closeButtons is busted in recent versions of Firefox. each tab will have a close button whether you like it or not.	05:54
scrottie	http://github.com/scrottie/webgui/commit/bf88cb409e534a62e71d2bdd17c5a88326e3e8d2	05:55
+perlDreamer	scrottie, why would you do that in Snippet?	05:56
+perlDreamer	vs some other class?	05:56
scrottie	http://github.com/scrottie/webgui/commit/58d68a6f9e70386cbdb15a53e463a5684f938f53	05:57
* scrottie checks his notes to find out why		05:57
scrottie	"<perlDreamer> unless we make Kewyords a Role, that overrides get and update"	05:57
scrottie	"<perlDreamer> overrides/wraps"	05:57
scrottie	(typing, not pasting... typos mine)	05:57
scrottie	hrm. so Keywords modifies Assets, not extends it.	05:58
scrottie	I got that wrong too.	05:58
+perlDreamer	right, WebGUI::Keywords -> WebGUI::Role::Asset::Keywords	05:58
scrottie	well, all I can say is this makes all three of those failing t/Keywords.t tests pass.	05:58
scrottie	ahem. well, the plot thickens. stay with me here.	05:58
* perlDreamer promises to back log if away		05:59
scrottie	http://github.com/scrottie/webgui/commit/f6b7561b149081e2c073d0b17337cf20f00bdd73 ... er, I guess you already saw the meat of it.	05:59
scrottie	that's cool, re: afking.	05:59
scrottie	if there's only one version of get/set/update, and they always honor 'keywords', KISS/"Do the simplest possible"/"Don't write it, you aren't going to need it" say to make that one version do what's needed.	06:00
scrottie	so, in that case, my inclination would be to put it directly into the get/set methods that, in this branch, live in Asset.pm.	06:00
scrottie	thoughts?	06:01
+perlDreamer	It's hard to type when your fingers are in someone else's mouth	06:07
scrottie	hahaha	06:09
scrottie	take your time =) family is important.	06:09
+perlDreamer	first thought: ping Haarg: backlog, comment	06:09
scrottie	worse case, there's usually (but not always) tomorrow	06:09
+perlDreamer	second thought, we want get, set, and update to be generic methods available to all objects	06:09
+perlDreamer	so I'm 99% sure they need to stay in the Definition/Role/Object	06:10
+perlDreamer	why would you want to move them out?	06:10
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+perlDreamer	ditto with getProperties, and getFormProperties	06:10
scrottie	because nothing else is actually using them. they're an important part of that object's API, and they're hidden away through a chain of useses/injections/etc three times removed.	06:11
+perlDreamer	not using them __yet__	06:11
scrottie	well, I'm telling you why I wanted to do that, not why I was right to want to do that.	06:11
+perlDreamer	ah, sorry for the pre-emptive argumentation then :)	06:11
scrottie	np.	06:11
scrottie	I was concerned about the unnecessary complexity (and future programmers pulling hair) of then turning around and wrapping ('around') something that already comes from "far away"	06:12
scrottie	but if it isn't unnecessary complexity, that's different.	06:12
+perlDreamer	eventually, we want to have every class using this	06:13
+perlDreamer	if I get some spare time, I may convert User.pm over to it, for fun	06:14
scrottie	heh	06:14
scrottie	"every class" means little to me. Assets are my entire universe right now =)	06:14
* scrottie thinks, or attempts a reasonable impression of doing so		06:15
+perlDreamer	WebGUI/*.pm	06:15
+perlDreamer	Except maybe CRUD	06:15
scrottie	yeah.	06:15
+perlDreamer	not sure what to do with CRUD, but most of what it does could be done by Definition	06:15
+perlDreamer	in any case, back to the Keywords stuff	06:17
+perlDreamer	I think the arounds need to be moved somewhere	06:18
scrottie	I'd rather not see Asset/Keywords.pm just doing an 'around' on code in Asset. this might be the best way but if it is, I'd have to convince myself of that.	06:18
+perlDreamer	maybe right into Asset.pm itself	06:18
scrottie	yeah. then I'm a little fuzzy on Moose. my Moose is not top notch.	06:18
+perlDreamer	although, if it was in its own Role, you could build an Asset without keywords	06:18
+perlDreamer	it would break lots of things	06:19
+perlDreamer	but maybe you just want a very small WebGUI	06:19
scrottie	KISS.	06:19
+perlDreamer	no wiki, no Story manager	06:19
+perlDreamer	hard to tell	06:19
scrottie	"Don't build it; you won't need it"	06:19
+perlDreamer	that would be up to the implementors	06:19
scrottie	(you might, but if you try to plan for various scenarios, you'll usually miss the scenario you need to plan for and plan for a lot you don't, so it's best to just keep things simple and be in a good position to adapt later)	06:19
+perlDreamer	have a look at WebGUI/Role/Asset/RssFeed.pm for an example of how to build an Asset Role	06:20
scrottie	okay. I'm not against the idea of mixing and matching code into assets... but if there's currently only one user of a role without immediate, real promise of others, it doesn't deserve to be a role. that's needless complexity. the next new guy will spend a week chasing his tail. that's time better spent other ways.	06:21
scrottie	fwiw, I've worked on some real train wreck of codebases. they always come about completely innocently. I'm more than a little scarred by that.	06:24
+perlDreamer	well, we can always keep it in out back pocket	06:24
scrottie	sure.	06:25
scrottie	apologies for the unrequested philosophy.	06:25
+perlDreamer	preaction gets to make final calls on all code architecture decisions, so we should develop something	06:25
+perlDreamer	not a problem	06:25
scrottie	yeah.	06:25
+perlDreamer	we're pretty outspoken and thick skinned	06:25
+perlDreamer	except for my tests	06:25
+perlDreamer	which are perfect	06:25
+perlDreamer	you can quote me on that	06:25
scrottie	okay, thoughts on this... around on set and get in Asset to handle keywords?	06:25
scrottie	haha	06:25
scrottie	better than perfect... legendary.	06:26
+perlDreamer	I think it should be prototyped, and we show that it works, and then run it past preaction for final confirmation	06:26
scrottie	can do.	06:26
scrottie	if I'm not sure of something, I'll just push it to branch in my github clone and ask for input.	06:27
+perlDreamer	frodwith, I want to find some way for your presentation to go before mine	06:27
scrottie	or rather, just keep doing that.	06:27
+perlDreamer	scrottie, sounds good	06:27
Haarg	scrottie, i certainly understand why you want to keep things simple	06:27
Haarg	but 'definition' as it is used in webgui 7 is already a nasty mess	06:27
scrottie	Haarg, removing "unnecessary complexity" and showing it to people is fantastic way to solicit an explanation of why it isn't "unnecessary", in the cases where it isn't.	06:28
scrottie	Haarg, I've learned about all sorts of back compat problems and design objectives I otherwise wouldn't have =)	06:29
scrottie	I've made those t/Keywords.t tests pass with five different designs now, by my count.	06:30
* perlDreamer makes a note to add more Keywords tests >:)		06:31
scrottie	haha	06:32
scrottie	that's a really good idea.	06:32
Haarg	what are the actual parts of the keywords stuff that had been failing?	06:32
+perlDreamer	$asset->addChild({....., keywords => 'keywords'})	06:32
scrottie	# Failed test 'getMatchingAssets, by keyword, assetIds in order by creationDate, descending'	06:32
scrottie	# Failed test '... retrieving assets in more than one state'	06:33
scrottie	# Failed test 'check getTopKeywords returns correctly'	06:33
+perlDreamer	I'm pretty sure those are indirect symptos	06:33
+perlDreamer	symptoms	06:33
+perlDreamer	we should have tests that expose them directly	06:33
scrottie	perlDreamer, here's one hackish thing I did: http://search.cpan.org/~swalters/Test-Float-0.3/float.pl	06:33
scrottie	if you give me tests and say "make these pass", I might, just maybe, run that on them >=)	06:34
scrottie	(in other words, you might get technically successful but even more hare brained fixes than what I've offered so far)	06:36
* perlDreamer will do my best to provide boundaries		06:37
scrottie	((more directly, better tests will foster better solutions))	06:37
+perlDreamer	"No, scrottie, you can't code that in LISP, even if it is 5 bytes smaller"	06:37
scrottie	heh	06:37
+perlDreamer	"Yes, scrottie, a 64-node parallel server would run the tests faster"	06:38
scrottie	yeah, I really should have installed WebGUI on the cluster.	06:39
+perlDreamer	the tests don't parallelize very well	06:39
scrottie	hrm.	06:39
+perlDreamer	since they inject objects into the database which interfere with other tests	06:39
scrottie	I don't suppose MySQL supports nested transactions.	06:39
Haarg	nope	06:40
Haarg	so what are the actual solutions you found to fix the keywords issue?	06:41
+perlDreamer	http://github.com/scrottie/webgui/commit/bf88cb409e534a62e71d2bdd17c5a88326e3e8d2	06:41
+perlDreamer	wrapping get, and set	06:41
Haarg	wouldn't adjusting set and get to just work off attributes instead of properties accomplish the same thing?	06:42
scrottie	Haarg, an exception in set() for setting 'keywords', ...	06:42
scrottie	Haarg, that was about #3 there. that caused all sorts of chaos.	06:42
scrottie	get() returns everything... set() so far silently ignored attributes. making it honor setting them, all sorts of data got clobbered and other tests all over the place blew up.	06:43
scrottie	that required heuristics to detect default data; try #4 was having get() return a flag indicating that the %attribute data came from there so blacklist a series of attributes.	06:43
scrottie	I spent a day hunting down the various attributes that were blowing things up and then another trying to find the rhyme or reason to it.	06:44
scrottie	that might have had some potential but I think it just boils down to it being too different from WebGUI7.	06:44
Haarg	i have a feeling you may not like it, but my first thought is to add an attribute trait to mark if something is 'writable' or not	06:45
scrottie	not feelings on it, but some things need to be written sometimes and need to not be written other times, for tests to pass. title comes to mind.	06:45
scrottie	the default title is bad; explicitly specified titles are good.	06:46
+perlDreamer	huh?	06:46
scrottie	the best was when lineage got set from default data. it was ''. when it came time to junk the asset in question, lineage '' was junked -- EVERYTHING. everything wound up trash-limbo.	06:46
scrottie	it was awesome.	06:46
Haarg	in this case, all i mean by writable is 'have set pass it off to the mutator'	06:46
scrottie	perlDreamer: copying the default title from get() back to set() is bad... a better title gets initialized/specified. it's complicated.	06:47
scrottie	Haarg, that's exactly what was happening.	06:47
Haarg	yes, but you don't want set to pass lineage off to the mutator	06:48
scrottie	and some things are ro. I made a method for looking at metadata to pick out the attributes that were actually writable.	06:48
scrottie	Haarg: that's the catch. a lot of things that set() needs to honor, get() returns and has to return; and passing of everything from get() straight to set() is a requirement.	06:48
Haarg	what i was thinking was, have get return all attributes	06:49
Haarg	and have set only set the ones that have been specified as writable	06:49
scrottie	Haarg: check out http://github.com/scrottie/webgui/tree/keywords	06:49
scrottie	Haarg: way ahead of ya.	06:50
scrottie	the cleanest was passing a flag to indicate that the data came from get() and that set() should take special precautions.	06:50
scrottie	in-band metadata.	06:51
scrottie	honestly, I don't remember why that got abandoned now. something came up that no good solution could be found for.	06:51
scrottie	Haarg: that sort of generalization felt good.	06:52
Haarg	i guess i'm not quite seeing why you need a flag passed around when it should be information based only on the attribute itself.	06:52
scrottie	because the user won't pass in destructive data such as comes from get().	06:53
scrottie	lineage => '' was just one case.	06:53
scrottie	there were a bunch of them.	06:54
Haarg	that's the part i'm not understanding	06:54
scrottie	the data in the newly initialized attribute was just plain better than a lot of what gets copied in. but of what gets copied in from get(), a lot of those same things are settable by the user -- and when set by the user, they aren't evil. they're good.	06:54
scrottie	yeah, and I'm a bit fuzzy on that now. that was a day or two ago.	06:54
Haarg	there are cases like lineage, but those should just not be 'settable'	06:55
scrottie	well, 'title' had the same problem, if memory serves.	06:55
scrottie	a bunch of failing tests => a bunch of kludgey fixes.	06:55
Haarg	something like title though	06:56
Haarg	weee	06:56
Haarg	well	06:56
Haarg	i don't know. perhaps i just need to try it out	06:56
Haarg	can you point me to some of the failing tests you saw after changing things?	06:56
Haarg	i know the keywords test is what we need to fix	06:57
scrottie	that was bjorking stuff in Asset.t I think... hang on	06:58
scrottie	with more than a few tabs open, Firefox gets powerful slow	06:58
Haarg	oh how i hate you UNIVERSAL::(can\|isa)	06:59
scrottie	http://github.com/scrottie/webgui/blob/keywords/t/Asset.t ... look for the comments with XXX in them	07:00
scrottie	I think I'd have to read backscroll in IRC for a long way to figure out why that was abandoned.	07:02
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scrottie	hrm, wonder where my history is.	07:03
scrottie	somewhere on the Mac.	07:04
scrottie	nowhere on the Mac.	07:06
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scrottie	I think what happened is in conversation, I was told that that would break a lot of legacy apps.	07:09
scrottie	show preaction the code and ask him about it. it might have been him who warned about the implications for all of the hosted WebGUI sites.	07:26
+perlDreamer	it was me	07:26
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Haarg	yeah. i'm well aware of the backwards compatibility issues. we're already stretching that a bit far.	07:27
+perlDreamer	here are what I see the boundary conditions to be	07:28
+perlDreamer	you have to be able to do $asset->get(), and get the keywords, but not the session	07:29
+perlDreamer	you have to be able to do $asset->keywords(), and get them	07:29
+perlDreamer	$asset->keywords('new keywords'), and set them	07:29
+perlDreamer	$asset->update({keywords => 'new words'}) and set them AND write them to the db	07:29
+perlDreamer	you have to be able to $asset->addChild, ->addRevision({keywords => 'some words',}) and have them assigned to the object, and stuck in the db	07:30
+perlDreamer	that's how it works in 7	07:30
+perlDreamer	and that's what I (or someone) needs to write tests for	07:32
+perlDreamer	but more likely tomorrow	07:32
+perlDreamer	it's going on 12 hours, and I'm tired	07:32
+perlDreamer	'night, all	07:32
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scrottie	I think those tests exist	07:33
scrottie	one of them, he already wrote and pusehd.	07:33
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scrottie	around get and around set don't actually wrap get/set in WebGUI/Asset.pm. grr.	07:34
scrottie	I guess they run before the roles get applied...?	07:35
Haarg	that doesn't seem right	07:35
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scrottie	argh. just for giggles, I threw the 'around' stuff for get/set into a role and pulled that into WebGUI::Asset after the use WebGUI::Definition::Asset; line.	07:50
scrottie	still no.	07:50
scrottie	they have warnings at the top of the methods. if they run, I'd see it, even if they don't fix the tests and function correctly.	07:50
scrottie	must be doing something wrong	07:51
CIA-57	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r7933e12 / lib/WebGUI/Definition/Role/Object.pm : get() shouldn't return session; fixes the Asset.t "get, specific properties - no session" test - http://bit.ly/b6F9sK	08:16
scrottie	low hanging fruit. for a change.	08:16
Haarg	scrottie, something like this is what i had in mind: http://gist.github.com/425004	08:41
Haarg	the name of that trait is shitty and there are other problems, but it shows the basic idea	08:42
scrottie	I thought about doing something like that but lacked the Moose-fu.	08:43
scrottie	grab me and perlDreamer tomorrow and run it by him.	08:44
scrottie	I'm kinda wishing right now that all of these attributes/properties were just first class, non "meta" object, AWT-style.	08:45
scrottie	or else that keywords just graduated to being a property.	08:46
scrottie	but you're right... the line between properties and attributes doesn't exactly follow what's settable and what isn't, so that abstraction breaks down.	08:46
scrottie	btw, http://github.com/scrottie/webgui/commit/4b117ec0192adc6fd50b8e40e994304d65924a19	08:49
scrottie	... I think I have to punt on this one and move on to other stuff.	08:51
scrottie	with 'WebGUI::Role::Asset::Keywords'; in Asset.pm didn't make it into that commit. oops.	08:51
Haarg	where in Asset.pm?	08:52
scrottie	after the use WebGUI::Definition::Asset; line	08:53
Haarg	what branch are you basing that off? i'm not noticing anything incorrect about that right now, but i just tried roughly the same thing and it seems to work fine for me.	08:55
Haarg	http://gist.github.com/425025	08:57
Haarg	and the warning shows up	08:58
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scrottie	strange.	10:24
scrottie	wow, I'm still awake. why is that?	10:24
scrottie	based off of b5d17576b0f041f8a204257762a5f6a6a56e941c	10:24
+bartjol	scrottie: I don't know, because it's 9:30 in the morning?	10:34
scrottie	hrm. because I was wrong about codepaths. thought the constructor would initialize the attribute. based on other things that worked, I thought that was happening. I'll have to look at this fresh.	10:39
+bartjol	:)	10:42
+bartjol	more coffee	10:42
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CIA-57	webgui: martin master * r73c762d / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed bug where Template form plugin would not show anything for getValueAsHtml. - http://bit.ly/dz9WiK	14:29
CIA-57	webgui: Martin Kamerbeek webgui-7.8 * r8df4cdb / (3 files in 3 dirs):	14:38
CIA-57	webgui: Fixed bug where Template form plugin would not show anything for getValueAsHtml.	14:38
CIA-57	webgui: Conflicts:	14:38
CIA-57	webgui: docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt - http://bit.ly/byDKXt	14:38
CIA-57	webgui: Martin Kamerbeek webgui-7.8 * r61031af / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Accidentally merged additional line from master changelog. - http://bit.ly/9G4HUp	14:42
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SDuensin	Captain Obvious says, "IT'S FRIDAY!"	16:16
+bartjol	CEO: captain extremely obvious, that's management for you	16:53
@khenn	The help desk pagination issues are now fixed	17:10
@khenn	(and the crowd goes wild!)	17:10
@khenn	=)	17:10
+bartjol	well done frank	17:16
* bartjol gives Frank a tap on his shoulder		17:17
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@frodwith	perlDreamer: what's your presentation?	17:28
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@frodwith	perlDreamer: what's your presentation on?	17:51
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+perlDreamer	I'll be talking about WebGUI8, and assets	17:52
+perlDreamer	having the Moose talk first would help	17:52
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@bopbop	frodwith: you can ask jamie to flip yours and perldreamer's presentations around	17:56
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qwebirc46744	a quick question to those that are around, does webgui provide ldap intergration?	17:58
@khenn	yes	17:58
@khenn	it works both over regular ports and SSL	17:59
qwebirc46744	is there a module/plugin/addon for document management for webgui?	18:00
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@khenn	not sure what you mean qwebirc46744	18:08
@khenn	are you asking for documentation on how to configure WebGUI for LDAP?	18:09
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+patspam	mornin' folks!	19:00
+perlDreamer	morning, patspam!	19:00
+perlDreamer	did you get some good coffee this morning?	19:00
+patspam	not in this town ;(	19:01
+patspam	I'm on the wrong coast I think	19:01
+perlDreamer	for coffee, yes	19:01
+perlDreamer	I'll bring you a bag for the WUC	19:01
+patspam	wooh!	19:01
+patspam	I've considered starting a cafe more than once since arriving here	19:01
+patspam	how long do you reckon it'd take to add Drafts to wG's inbox?	19:02
+patspam	just had a client feature request for it	19:02
+perlDreamer	hm	19:03
+perlDreamer	It'd be a bit	19:03
+perlDreamer	The inbox messages would need a new state	19:03
+perlDreamer	Draft	19:03
+perlDreamer	the current inbox would have to filter on that	19:03
+perlDreamer	there would have to be a UI for it	19:04
+perlDreamer	to display the list of drafts	19:04
+perlDreamer	then to allow them to be edited	19:04
+perlDreamer	all the UI has to be templated	19:04
+patspam	this is why webgui needs a freelance marketplace	19:05
+patspam	should be able to flag an RFE as "open for tender"	19:06
+perlDreamer	1-2 weeks on the outside, patspam	19:07
+perlDreamer	patspam, you should also talk with khenn, because he submitted an RFE for adding Sent Mail to the Inbox	19:08
+perlDreamer	maybe the two could dovetail?	19:08
+patspam	yeah I reckon	19:08
+patspam	we half added Sent Mail already though	19:08
+patspam	it's just very simplistic	19:08
@khenn	inbox is currently broken	19:08
@khenn	so I wouldn't do anything there just yet	19:08
@khenn	not till it's fixed	19:09
+patspam	hey khenn	19:09
+patspam	what's broken?	19:09
@khenn	two problems	19:09
@khenn	it's not showing users all of their inbox messages	19:09
@khenn	it's using the wrong query to display them	19:09
@khenn	I already posted a solution for that one	19:10
@khenn	haven't had a chance to fix and test though	19:10
@khenn	the other issue is that there are processes in webgui that are deleting inbox messages without using the API	19:10
@khenn	and so they are creating orphaned data	19:10
@khenn	in the inbox_messageState table	19:10
@khenn	also an easy fix but it needs to come with an upgrade to clean that stuff up	19:11
+patspam	what sorts of messages are not displaying?	19:11
@khenn	group ones	19:11
@khenn	so you are in group a	19:11
@khenn	group a is sent an email	19:11
@khenn	you see the email in your inbox	19:12
@khenn	but you don't read it	19:12
@khenn	then you are removed from group a	19:12
@khenn	that message is still tied to your account	19:12
@khenn	but it won't show in your inbox anymore	19:12
+patspam	ha	19:12
@khenn	and	19:12
@khenn	it still reports it as an unread message	19:12
+patspam	oh brilliant	19:12
@khenn	so you wind up with people having unread messages they can no longer do anything about	19:12
+patspam	at least it makes the bug obvious	19:13
@khenn	yeah	19:13
@khenn	it's my fault	19:13
@khenn	too	19:13
@khenn	=(	19:13
+perlDreamer	Your fault, you fix it!	19:13
+patspam	heh don't feel bad, after those performance tweaks you've got lots of excess karma	19:13
+perlDreamer	Shame, shame on you and your whole family	19:13
+patspam	perlDreamer and I are doing good cop, bad cop	19:14
@khenn	what performance tweaks?	19:14
@khenn	you mean the group stuff?	19:14
+patspam	yeah	19:14
@khenn	ah yeah	19:14
@khenn	not sure if you've upgraded yet	19:15
@khenn	but it's a lot faster	19:15
+patspam	nah I haven't upgraded most of my sites yet	19:15
+patspam	were you talking about Nav performance tweaks too?	19:15
+patspam	that would be much bigger for me	19:15
+patspam	last time I checked 50% of the response time on the front page of the default site is spent doing Nav	19:16
@khenn	yes	19:17
@khenn	JT didn't like my idea	19:17
@khenn	not sure if that swayed preaction or not	19:17
+perlDreamer	you'll come up with another one	19:17
@khenn	I don't think I have to	19:17
@khenn	I think my idea is valid and not a hack	19:17
@khenn	as long as preaction is still ok with it	19:18
@khenn	I'll just add API methods for doing what needs to be done	19:18
@khenn	that way it's not hacked in	19:18
@preaction	so some way to short-circuit canView	19:19
@preaction	test it first, it might not be that much faster	19:20
@khenn	well I was thinking that canView could be called as a class Method	19:20
@khenn	as well as a session method	19:20
@preaction	how? it needs all the data from the database	19:20
@khenn	if it gets called from the class it would just look the stuff up it needs directly from the db	19:20
@khenn	without instantiating the asset	19:20
+perlDreamer	breaking object encapsulation for the sake of speed isn't the best of ideas	19:21
@khenn	though now that I think about it	19:21
@khenn	that won't work	19:21
@preaction	it's that very DB query, looking up the stuff, that is the problem. the idea you had was joining assetData, and using groupIdView if you absolutely knew that was the only permissions check	19:21
@khenn	right	19:21
@khenn	that's still the idea	19:21
@khenn	just trying to figure out how to make it work without "hacking" it	19:22
@preaction	there are other db queries we can remove during a page request, the template attachments have three queries when it could be one for example	19:22
@khenn	I was also mulling around the idea of a quick asset instance method	19:22
@khenn	but I'm not sure that will work either	19:22
@khenn	actually, you know what might work	19:23
@khenn	newByHashRef	19:23
@khenn	no never mind	19:23
@khenn	that won't work either	19:23
@khenn	meh	19:23
@khenn	too much going on to think about it	19:23
+perlDreamer	patspam, got some Survey questions for you	19:23
@khenn	I need to duck out for a bit	19:23
+patspam	shoot	19:23
+perlDreamer	If a Survey is not committed, can you still take the survey?	19:24
+patspam	no idea	19:24
+patspam	I don't think the code ever considers whether or not the instance is committed	19:25
+patspam	it just inherits whatever wobjects do in that situation	19:25
+perlDreamer	this is the problem I'm seeing in the Survey.t test	19:26
+perlDreamer	The main survey used in the test is never committed	19:27
+perlDreamer	but when it adds a response, it commits the first version, and leaves the new version uncommitted	19:27
+perlDreamer	This is causing bad problems in WebGUI8	19:27
+patspam	ah right	19:27
+patspam	so	19:27
+patspam	that's related to Survey trying to be smart about edits to its structure	19:27
+perlDreamer	yes	19:28
+patspam	the structure is versioned	19:28
+patspam	so if someone has already started a response, changes you make to the structure don't affect them	19:28
+perlDreamer	and that requires the responses to be correspondingly versioned	19:28
+patspam	new changes to structure don't get committed as a new version until someone starts a new response	19:29
+patspam	so in that test, starting the response causes a version commit	19:29
+perlDreamer	submitObjectEdit causes the commit. I'm not sure if that is called upstream by the new response or not	19:31
+patspam	perlDreamer: was "1-2 weeks on the outside" serious or a joke?	19:37
+perlDreamer	I think it'll take 3-4 days if everything goes smoothly	19:38
+patspam	yeah that's more like it :)	19:38
+perlDreamer	so, 1-2 weeks was a loose estimate	19:38
scrottie	Haarg, did you run t/Keywords.t on your example? on my machine... and I upgraded to the latest Moose... the warns in the wrapping methods don't go off.	20:10
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CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r4eca8bb / t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t : Commit the initial Survey for the test. - http://bit.ly/caFX43	20:38
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Haarg	scrottie, yes i did	20:39
scrottie	hmm. out of curiousity, did those three failing tests pass?	20:40
scrottie	er, wait	20:40
scrottie	sorry, different code	20:40
Haarg	i had my other patch in there so everything worked	20:40
scrottie	perlDreamer, do you want to see if you can get that patch to work and if so commit it?	20:41
+perlDreamer	which patch, scrottie?	20:41
scrottie	or adapt it however you see fit and commit it? it follows your original suggestion.	20:41
+perlDreamer	wrapping get and set in Asset.pm	20:42
Haarg	http://gist.github.com/425004 this is roughly the idea i had keywords stuff	20:42
scrottie	that one, or else pulling in a role that's only ever used there =P	20:42
scrottie	oh yeah. and Haarg was still exploring settable attributes. I told him to talk to you.	20:42
scrottie	I'm trying to wash my hands of this. I've spent too much time on these three failed tests in t/Keywords.t.	20:43
scrottie	http://github.com/scrottie/webgui/commit/4b117ec0192adc6fd50b8e40e994304d65924a19 ... that for one isn't working.	20:44
+perlDreamer	scrottie, it's not just those 3 tests	20:45
+perlDreamer	it's also t/Story.t, t/Asset/Wobject/Story*.t	20:46
+perlDreamer	t/WikiPage.t	20:46
+perlDreamer	and several others	20:46
scrottie	I know there are more failing tests; I'm not trying to fix all of them with one patch.	20:46
scrottie	I am running prove > prove$n.txt and komparing output to make sure that I don't break stuff.	20:46
scrottie	after that first fumble.	20:46
scrottie	I have another branch sitting here that I don't think I've pushed that does the same thing but with a 'with' and that moved into a role. Actually I think I emailed you a link to that and did push it.	20:47
scrottie	and asked for comments on what I was doing wrong with Moose.	20:47
+perlDreamer	Haarg, I think that works for everything, except the direct accessor	20:48
+perlDreamer	$asset->keywords('new, keyword, list');	20:48
scrottie	I am trying to solve the problem in the general case to some degree ;) and so is Haarg. I'm trying to move on to other things here but if you're occupied right now we can hash through options later.	20:48
Haarg	what kind of behavior do we want that to have perlDreamer?	20:49
+perlDreamer	it should work just like $asset->set('keywords', 'new, keyword, list');	20:49
Haarg	it does	20:49
+perlDreamer	how does it work in the direct case?	20:51
Haarg	it's just an accessor	20:52
scrottie	Asset's keyword attribute has an 'around' on it already.	20:52
scrottie	that calls off to SetKeywordsForAsset or whatever that is.	20:52
Haarg	->keywords and ->set('keywords') just set the value in memory	20:53
Haarg	->write sets it in the database	20:53
Haarg	(in my code)	20:53
+perlDreamer	I see, I missed the line for the write method	20:54
Haarg	it fixes t/Keyword.t and t/Asset.t stays the same. kind of simplifies things as well. 'Settable' as a marker attribute trait isn't perfect but it does seem like something we need so i don't know if there is a better name or implementation of a flag like that.	20:56
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, that seems to work fine	21:07
+perlDreamer	I added explicit tests for that in Asset.t	21:07
+perlDreamer	and they're all passing	21:07
+perlDreamer	I'll try the whole suite next	21:07
+perlDreamer	is there someplace I can pull	21:07
Haarg	it's not pushed anywhere	21:07
Haarg	the other thing i don't like is the ->keywords('list, of, keywords') vs ->keywords(['list', 'of', 'keywords']) thing. a type coercion may be a good way to deal with that though.	21:09
+perlDreamer	yeah	21:13
+perlDreamer	setKeywordsForAsset will take either	21:14
+perlDreamer	but whatever is left in the asset object is another story	21:14
+perlDreamer	but, in 7	21:14
+perlDreamer	it works with strings	21:15
+perlDreamer	so we should probably coerce from array to string	21:15
Haarg	yeah	21:15
+perlDreamer	what were we thinking back then?	21:17
Haarg	ask jt	21:19
+perlDreamer	maybe we can fix it in WebGUI 8.1 ... ;)	21:19
+perlDreamer	The keywords, not JT	21:19
@preaction	oh i'll fix him, i'll fix him with both hands	21:19
* preaction can get him metal legs		21:20
+perlDreamer	are those like concrete shoes?	21:20
+perlDreamer	while adding lots of tests is great for coverage	21:22
+perlDreamer	it's bad for time	21:22
+perlDreamer	Haarg, it's a winner!	21:32
+perlDreamer	Could you push and merge, or do you want me to commit this?	21:32
Haarg	you can go ahead	21:32
scrottie	Haarg++	21:32
+perlDreamer	so done	21:33
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r8c759ed / (5 files in 4 dirs): Implement keywords differently (successfully) in the Asset class. Extra tests to verify it in Asset.t - http://bit.ly/bC1Mzo	21:34
@frodwith	perlDreamer: http://www.plainblack.com/wuc/schedule	21:50
@frodwith	got vrby to switch 'em	21:50
+perlDreamer	you are a man of considerable influence	21:50
* perlDreamer takes a lunch break		21:51
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@preaction	trying to run the 8 test suite: Can't locate WebGUI/Definition/Meta/Settable.pm	22:26
@preaction	http://sshmenu.sourceforge.net/articles/bcvi/ <- we should install this on our servers.	22:31
@preaction	perlDreamer: looks like you missed adding WebGUI::Definition::Meta::Settable	22:34
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scrottie	there's sshfs for FUSE...	22:47
scrottie	then you can run vi locally on remote files.	22:47
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@preaction	yeah. that would work, but it would require setup each time i wanted to do something. bcvi requires one-time setup and then Just Works	23:00
+perlDreamer	sorry, preaction	23:19
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r193223c / lib/WebGUI/Definition/Meta/Settable.pm : Adding Settable flag for non-properties that should be handled by set/write. - http://bit.ly/a4sxYN	23:20
+perlDreamer	down to 24 failing WebGUI8 tests	23:28
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rdd716fa / (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset.t): Fix the default URL for an Asset. It should be based on the parent, if available, and the menutitle. - http://bit.ly/chWp03	23:28
+perlDreamer	23	23:32
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r13e59e7 / t/Asset/Wobject/EventManagementSystem.t : EMS does not return session as a template variable any longer. - http://bit.ly/d8vTh8	23:32
@preaction	failing test scripts?	23:32
+perlDreamer	yes	23:32
@preaction	or tests period?	23:32
+perlDreamer	scripts	23:32
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r0a9785e / t/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.t : Fix a simple typo in the script. - http://bit.ly/920itN	23:34
+perlDreamer	scrottie, could you look at t/Asset/JSONCollateral next?	23:35
+perlDreamer	it will need a complete rewrite, both the test, and the module	23:35
scrottie	what am I looking for?	23:35
+perlDreamer	JSONCollateral should be reconsidered in light of the JSONArray WebGUI::Type module	23:35
scrottie	I think Frank is having me fix some alumini site bugs and then do some development, and then I'm supposed to be working on the helpdesk rewrite too, but otherwise, sure.	23:36
scrottie	(but in reality I'm on lunch trying to make bloody Firefox work... I blew away .firefox and started over since it was getting impossibily, unusably slow, and now it won't install plugins)	23:36
scrottie	and today is going to be short... I'm supposed to hike tomorrow, which I should have said no to, so I have to pack and get over to the other side of town and be to bed in time to getup at 5am.	23:37
scrottie	so, yeah, sure, as long as you aren't in a huge hurry.	23:38
scrottie	maybe in five or ten years I'll figure out how to operate a bloody webbrowser.	23:38
+perlDreamer	you need one of them pointy rat thinies	23:38
+perlDreamer	thingies	23:38
@preaction	a rat flail?	23:44
+perlDreamer	is that like a cat o' nine tails?	23:45
@preaction	http://www.myfconline.com/boards/uploads/14340.jpg <- no. it's a flail made of rats	23:45
+perlDreamer	khenn, you've exceeded your quote for bug postings this week	23:45
+perlDreamer	please retract a couple of them	23:45
@khenn	well I'm fixing one of them	23:45
@khenn	I've assigned that one to myself	23:45
+perlDreamer	that's okay then	23:45
@khenn	=)	23:45
+perlDreamer	would you like some more to be assigned, too?	23:46
+perlDreamer	we can do that	23:46
@preaction	http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=110	23:46
* perlDreamer is out to pick up the kids.		23:48
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r910a0a0 / (t/AssetAspect/RssFeed.t t/lib/WebGUI/Asset/RssAspectDummy.pm): Upgrade this test for Definition. Something bad is still happening in export. - http://bit.ly/cq6DWR	23:49
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CIA-57	webgui: khenn master * rd082e4e / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm : Fixed #11613 - After successful save of a Thing, the form is cleared for the next thing to be entered - http://bit.ly/b0uoaz	01:04
CIA-57	webgui: khenn master * r18af5d1 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Fixed #11613: Thingy: If next action after add is to add more things, previous data remains - http://bit.ly/aOcCwC	01:04
CIA-57	webgui: khenn master * r5a329f8 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/csbXGX	01:04
+perlDreamer	khenn, should that fix be backported to the 7.8 branch?	01:05
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@khenn	I think Colloquy just crashed my server	01:11
@khenn	er	01:11
@khenn	my computer	01:11
@khenn	perlDreamer: I don't think it needs to be backported	01:12
@khenn	it's not a fatal bug	01:12
+perlDreamer	we backport all bugs back to 7.8	01:12
* perlDreamer was trying to prod you politely		01:13
+perlDreamer	but since that didn't work...	01:13
@khenn	oh	01:14
@khenn	guess I'm not set up to do that	01:14
@khenn	is there a way to merge changes?	01:14
+perlDreamer	yes	01:15
+perlDreamer	make a checkout of the 7.8 branch	01:15
+perlDreamer	git checkout --track --branch webgui-7.8 webgui-7.8	01:15
+perlDreamer	that will not only make the branch, but make you use it	01:15
+perlDreamer	then you use the cherry-pick command to bring in the commits from another branch	01:16
+perlDreamer	git cherry-pick d082e4e	01:16
+perlDreamer	and for the other two branches	01:16
+perlDreamer	you may have a merge conflict with the changelog	01:16
+perlDreamer	if so, just resolve it like you would with SVN	01:17
+perlDreamer	and then...	01:17
+perlDreamer	git add file_with_merge_problems	01:17
@khenn	yeah I deal with cherry-picks	01:17
@khenn	yep	01:17
@khenn	would you mind merging this one for me?	01:17
@khenn	I'm having issues with my computer	01:17
@khenn	I'll check out 7.8 after I do a reboot	01:18
@khenn	need to patch a server first though	01:18
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CIA-57	webgui: khenn webgui-7.8 * re1be898 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm : Fixed #11613 - After successful save of a Thing, the form is cleared for the next thing to be entered - http://bit.ly/a7V9Gv	01:21
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * rf81eeeb / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Fixed #11613: Thingy: If next action after add is to add more things, previous data remains - http://bit.ly/bqsEJY	01:21
CIA-57	webgui: khenn master * re74753c / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm : Not enough arguments to searchOther - http://bit.ly/9DXE57	01:29
+perlDreamer	preaction, in the new style chooser, can we make Style3 on by default, and put a save button at the top as well as the bottom?	01:32
@preaction	sure, but then put Style_03 on the top as well	01:32
scrottie	docs say to connect to the newly running WebGUI instance (using 7 here...) and it'll "walk me through the rest of the configuration". that doesn't seem to be happening. the "Getting Started" and "Your Next Step" do nothing and I don't know what the initial password is.	02:07
scrottie	http://www.webgui.org/wiki/wre-installation says to go to /setup but that gives "The URL setup was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree."	02:09
scrottie	need the thing running to test alumini fixes.	02:10
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scrottie	wow, did people actually get off the computer and show their faces to their loved ones? GOOD. thank heavens.	02:12
scrottie	you people scare me.	02:13
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+perlDreamer	scrottie: if you build a site with wgd reset -d, it skips the site starter	02:27
+perlDreamer	time for me to show my face to the fam	02:29
+perlDreamer	I'll be back on later, or tomorrow.	02:29
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scrottie	It's Friday! Go drink! See a movie!	02:56
scrottie	Joust tallbikes. Go skydiving. Something.	02:56
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Haarg	scrottie, re: site startup	03:28
Haarg	the thing in the wre docs is for the WRE setup, allowing you to add new sites etc	03:29
Haarg	there is also the WebGUI site starter which is shown for new WebGUI sites	03:29
Haarg	wgd reset -d will disable the site starter, as usually when developing you don't need it	03:29
Haarg	in that case it leaves the username/password the same as the default, which is 123qwe	03:29
Haarg	wgd reset will also accept the --starter and --no-starter switches to control that	03:30
Haarg	the wre console password is the mysql root user password, so if you need that it's a separate issue	03:31
Haarg	wgd reset also has an option to attempt to use your local cookies to automatically log you on to the site so you don't need to do that step either	03:32
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scrottie	Haarg: nice, nice, nice. thank you.	03:55
scrottie	PerlDreamer, you better be jet skiing!	03:55
scrottie	I'm out... cheers.	03:55
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d34df00d	Hi!	20:57
d34df00d	Is there a way to have different language versions of each article?	20:57
d34df00d	Show only one of them at the same time, based on user preferences or cookies or whatever seems best, but allow to switch the language.	20:57
d34df00d	And, maybe, encode the language code (like home/welcome/en or home/welcome/ru for example) to optimize for search engines. They seem to not like when the same page on the same URL may appear in different languages.	20:58
d34df00d	I've googled a bit and found http://www.webgui.org/web_design_templates_and_themes/creating-a-multilingual-website, but the final comment there says:	20:58
d34df00d	There is internationalization of the interface of WebGUI. So you can translate WebGUI strings into your own language but there is no true support for multilingual websites unfortunately... I also would like to have it though.	20:58
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CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8d85912 / t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t : Commit the initial Survey for the test. - http://bit.ly/cIfCDt	07:24
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rbe259d8 / (2 files in 2 dirs):	08:27
CIA-57	webgui: Fix problems with assetExportHtml. The method needs to be rethought, and make	08:27
CIA-57	webgui: check that one exists before calling it via can/DOES. Fix a problem with	08:27
CIA-57	webgui: duplicating the session, since duplicate is not a class method. -	08:27
CIA-57	webgui: http://bit.ly/dqcw6p	08:27
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CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd81a28b / (6 files in 3 dirs): Fix some broken Form fields. Fixes bug #11611 - http://bit.ly/9VNQoo	08:30
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * rf6408ce / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix some broken Form fields. Fixes bug #11611. - http://bit.ly/ahLq2k	08:33
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc5203cb / lib/WebGUI/Form/FieldType.pm : Remove some debug code. - http://bit.ly/96Dv7W	08:33
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SDuensin	Howdy.	16:32
+bartjol	ahoi cowboy	16:35
+bartjol	mmm, the bug tracker seems a bit borked	16:56
plainhao	how so, bartjol?	16:58
+bartjol	the pagination isn't working	16:58
plainhao	you mean in search?	16:59
+bartjol	yes	16:59
plainhao	yeah, i noticed that too	16:59
plainhao	frank closed the ticket already, maybe he forgot to push something for the fix	16:59
+bartjol	trying to find an old bug	16:59
+bartjol	changelogs are prolly better	17:00
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+bartjol	found it!	17:36
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+perlDreamer	morning, folks	17:57
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r20e6ba5 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a typo in the CS sort by hover help. Fixes bug #11610 - http://bit.ly/cJg1lW	18:00
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * rf872b46 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a typo in the CS sort by hover help. Fixes bug #11610 - http://bit.ly/b0LCRf	18:00
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r8de257f / (3 files in 3 dirs): Make the state field required in the ITransact credentials form. Fixes bug #11608 - http://bit.ly/caWIVZ	18:15
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CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r1bb0e31 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Remove some dead code from the UserList wobject. Fixes bug #11605 - http://bit.ly/a0fttB	18:25
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r28eabdd / (2 files in 2 dirs): Remove some dead code from the UserList wobject. Fixes bug #11605	18:26
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+perlDreamer	frodwith, I need a logic double check.	18:57
@frodwith	Mmmmyeasss?	18:58
+perlDreamer	Have a peek at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/PurgeOldInboxMessages.pm	18:58
+perlDreamer	and the little blurb at the end of the execute subroutine	19:00
+perlDreamer	if the while loop finishes	19:00
+perlDreamer	then the limit check should never be reached, right?	19:01
@frodwith	it doesn't look like that can ever happen	19:03
@frodwith	well, or rather	19:03
@frodwith	it's the wrong check	19:03
@frodwith	$sth->rows might very well be over limit	19:03
@frodwith	but who cares?	19:03
+perlDreamer	yeah, they have to be processed anyway	19:03
@frodwith	they already -got- processed	19:03
@frodwith	i think someone forgot a LIMIT in the sql query	19:04
+perlDreamer	i don't think that matters, because there's a time bomb inside the while loop, and we loop over an iterator	19:04
@frodwith	i mean, if they're going to bother with a limit at all	19:05
@frodwith	you're right that there's no reason to	19:05
+perlDreamer	okay, yeah	19:05
+perlDreamer	thanks for the double check, frodwith	19:09
@frodwith	np	19:09
* perlDreamer is only running on about 5/6 cylinders today		19:09
@frodwith	Out partying all weekend, you dog?	19:10
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+perlDreamer	yeah, you know me	19:10
+perlDreamer	too much punch after the church concert last night	19:19
@frodwith	They don't put anything in it, mind, perlDreamer just has a very sensitive constitution	19:20
+perlDreamer	It was PINK, that counts	19:20
@frodwith	nothing natural is pink	19:20
@frodwith	except maybe flowers	19:20
@frodwith	was it flower punch?	19:21
+perlDreamer	No, like fake pink lemonade	19:21
@frodwith	that artificial flavoring can really knock you for a loop	19:22
+perlDreamer	it was either that, or the hour long tuba playing session	19:23
@frodwith	o_o	19:24
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+perlDreamer	yo, scrottie	19:36
+perlDreamer	how was the hike?	19:36
@scrottie	hey.	19:36
@scrottie	it's nice to go visit trees. we really don't get those here in Phoenix.	19:37
@scrottie	ditto for water. not often in Phoenix you get to wade through streams with water up to your neck.	19:37
+perlDreamer	hm, water up to your neck. Sounds like Oregon	19:37
@scrottie	heh	19:38
@scrottie	have a good weekend? get out of the house?	19:55
* frodwith got out of the house for church. Does that count?		19:56
+perlDreamer	Did tons of yard work, spent 8 hours at church, baked cookies	19:58
plainhao	how often do you go, frod?	19:58
@frodwith	bout once a week hao	19:58
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CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r30e869b / (6 files in 5 dirs): Better cleanup of Inbox messages. Encapsulate all SQL in Inbox/Message. Fix workflow. Upgrade script to cleanup state table. Fixes bug #11595. - http://bit.ly/ciu8Y2	20:47
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r99063a3 / (t/Inbox.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): Allow for cleanup of inbox messages in tests. - http://bit.ly/auF5O0	20:47
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * rc1af736 / (t/Inbox.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): Allow for cleanup of inbox messages in tests. - http://bit.ly/9gMdBd	20:48
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r5c5b6ed / (6 files in 5 dirs): Better cleanup of Inbox messages. Encapsulate all SQL in Inbox/Message. Fix workflow. Upgrade script to cleanup state table. Fixes bug #11595. - http://bit.ly/9xf9J1	20:49
scrottie	Colin, are you working on the alumni bug report with messages vanishing after people get booted out of groups?	20:50
scrottie	s/report //	20:50
+perlDreamer	not right now	20:50
+perlDreamer	You can fix it if you want :)	20:50
scrottie	okay. Frank asked me to do that and those commits looked maybe repeated but what do I know. just trying to avoid stepping on toes.	20:51
+perlDreamer	It's a different bug. The commits are repeated because all bugs have to be backported to the stable branch	20:52
scrottie	yeah. fwiw, Frank asked me to look at 11595 and 11594.	20:57
+perlDreamer	If you've been asked/assigned/volunteered/been bribed/threatened/etc to fix a bug, then you should assign the bugs to yourself in the bug tracker	20:57
scrottie	yeah.	20:57
scrottie	not complaining, btw.	20:58
scrottie	next time.	20:58
+perlDreamer	I know. I don't like stepping on toes either	20:58
+perlDreamer	by default, I'm tasked with fixing all bugs	20:58
+perlDreamer	all WebGUI bugs, that is	20:58
scrottie	heh	20:58
+perlDreamer	speaking of which...	20:59
+perlDreamer	dionak, I'd love to fix serif's Syndicated Content bug, but I need some feedback	20:59
+perlDreamer	can you give her a ping, or perhaps look at the bug yourself and answer the question?	20:59
dionak	ok, i'll ask her to sign on	20:59
dionak	i've pinged. if she's available, she'll sign on	21:00
dionak	or when she's available i should say	21:01
dionak	perlDreamer, she's knee-deep in developing atm. said she would follow up with you.	21:02
scrottie	I can't seem to wake up this morning. uuuurrrgh.	21:03
+perlDreamer	awesome, I'll wait for a bug ticket posting then :)	21:03
scrottie	perlDreamer, status on #11594?	21:03
+perlDreamer	haven't touched it yet	21:03
scrottie	hmm. thinking of assigning it to myself. but I'm also 100% certain that Frank would be perfectly happy to let you do it and have me do something else.	21:05
+perlDreamer	or he may want you to start learning the API this way	21:05
+perlDreamer	best to ask him	21:06
kimd	pearlDreamer does not have time. He has to answer all my questions.	21:06
kimd	Hello pearlDreamer, btw :-)	21:06
+perlDreamer	bring it on, kimd!	21:06
kimd	Not yet. I am still trying to find out myself.	21:07
kimd	But I will most certainly give up in about 5 minutes.	21:07
* perlDreamer will be here		21:07
kimd	It's about WWW::Mechanize if you want to warm up a bit.	21:07
scrottie	hmm. I think I'll not assign it to myself, read code, and if it gets fixed before I commit something, I'll ask for something else =)	21:12
+perlDreamer	for the kinds of changes he's talking about, I recommend some tests	21:12
+perlDreamer	write ones that will fail before the bug fix	21:13
scrottie	sir, YES SIR	21:13
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r59fed35 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/AddressBook.pm): Fix error feedback for missing fields, when using the AddressBook to add an address. - http://bit.ly/9va8gV	21:18
kimd	pearlDreamer, I am ready to give up :-(	21:18
kimd	The testing code I am working on is here: http://webgui.pastebin.com/4Wb2NYAR	21:18
kimd	I am trying to edit an existing photo in a gallery using the web interface.	21:18
kimd	Submittal of the form seems to be fine. Values do not get updated, however.	21:19
kimd	I have checked by comparing the properties hash and the web server response.	21:19
kimd	Any idea about the possible reason?	21:20
+perlDreamer	reading and thinking...	21:20
@frodwith	scrottie: http://www.humbledmba.com/become-a-morning-person-how-to-end-insomnia-f	21:20
scrottie	I don't have insomnia. I sleep like a ROCK when I finally pass out, which is often about the time the sun is coming up.	21:21
@frodwith	that's called "insomnia"	21:21
+perlDreamer	kimd, are you sure there's only 1 form on the page?	21:21
kimd	No. But I have named the form and it is explicitly selected.	21:22
@frodwith	the f.lux thing worked really well for me last night, i woke up at 6:30 this morning. But that may be entirely psychosomatic.	21:22
kimd	I made a change in WebGUI::Asset::File::GalleryFile::Photo.	21:22
@frodwith	er	21:22
scrottie	I've known people who really barely ever sleep and really want to. I don't have that problem. I can sleep any time. I'm wall respected napper, too. I can sleep in planes, on buses, in parks...	21:22
@frodwith	placebo effect	21:22
scrottie	problem is, I'm dating a morning person.	21:22
@frodwith	the f.lux thing is for getting you to feel sleepy when it gets dark outside	21:22
scrottie	I'm jetlagged.	21:22
@frodwith	if you're an evening computer user	21:23
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kimd	pearlDreamer, I just noticed that it is reproducible when I do it manually.	21:24
kimd	Changes become only visible after a refresh of the page.	21:24
kimd	Let me check in the current demo.	21:24
kimd	Maybe it is a bug.	21:24
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scrottie	argh, people are sending me Internet self help links =(	21:27
scrottie	lifestyle fail.	21:27
scrottie	I guess it's fair. I was yelling at perlDreamer to get out of the house jetsky or skydrive or something the other day.	21:28
scrottie	the house and jetsky or ...	21:28
+perlDreamer	jetski	21:28
scrottie	yeah. that.	21:28
@frodwith	Next thanksgiving, scrottie will drive a float through town square. It just be a large sign on a platform. The sign will read "Frodwith, you jerk!" And scrottie will be riding on it, shouting the phrase at intervals into a bullhorn.	21:29
+perlDreamer	the back of the sign will say, "He was right!"	21:29
scrottie	I have in the past been on a morning schedule. I can go to bed at night and sleep. I honestly enjoy my late nights. I like the solitude and the quiet. I take long walks when there's no one else on the streets.	21:30
scrottie	Some times I start staying up till 2am and then have to get up at 4am to meet a friend at 5am to get to Sedona by 7ish.	21:31
scrottie	and wade around in cold water all day.	21:31
scrottie	I do it to myself. I realize that. And I don't have plans to stop.	21:31
@frodwith	hehe	21:31
@frodwith	Self-inflicted is the best kind of pain	21:31
scrottie	and now I'm listening to old audio tapes =)	21:31
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scrottie	the noise isn't bad but the tape stretch is kinda painful.	21:32
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kimd	pearlDreamer, it seems to be a bug.	21:35
kimd	The behavior is reproducible on demo.webgui.org and beta.webgui.org.	21:36
+perlDreamer	that's not good	21:36
kimd	The problem occurs if there is no image file attached to a photo.	21:36
+perlDreamer	but didn't you specify a file to upload in the form submission?	21:36
kimd	In that case you need a refresh before the values become visible.	21:36
kimd	No. You do not have to. The form is still accepted.	21:37
+perlDreamer	okay	21:37
+perlDreamer	still, I thought that, in your test, you specified a file in the form submission	21:37
kimd	However, only if an image is present www_showConfirmation will be called properly after www_editSave	21:37
kimd	No. I am only changing the text properties.	21:38
+perlDreamer	line 183, newFile_file = ... ??	21:38
kimd	But the photo asset was created without an attachment.	21:38
+perlDreamer	ah, I see	21:39
kimd	No, that isn't my code. And that part is skipped.	21:39
kimd	But I can attach an image file at the beginning. Let's what happens...	21:39
kimd	... see ...	21:39
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CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc9dc084 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Stories have to pass along absolute links in their RSS feeds. Fixes bug #11606 - http://bit.ly/bjgTVN	21:45
kimd	Interesting. If a request the photo default view a second time, I get the expected result.	21:45
kimd	Evidently, it takes two requests before the Asset gets updated. What could be the reason for this behavior?	21:45
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r834a85c / (3 files in 3 dirs): Stories have to pass along absolute links in their RSS feeds. Fixes bug #11606 - http://bit.ly/btPbOR	21:45
+perlDreamer	no idea, kimd	21:47
kimd	Is it possible that theres is some delay due to spectre processing changes in the background?	21:48
+perlDreamer	No	21:48
+perlDreamer	For most development work, I don't even turn spectre on	21:48
kimd	But it must be some kind of race condition.	21:48
+perlDreamer	committing a single asset should be very fast	21:48
+perlDreamer	Let me make sure I understand the process.	21:50
+perlDreamer	Make a gallery	21:50
+perlDreamer	add an album to it	21:50
+perlDreamer	create a photo, but do not upload a photo into it	21:50
+perlDreamer	then, try to edit that photo	21:50
+perlDreamer	your changes do not show up right away	21:51
+perlDreamer	but instead, you have to reload the view photo screen to see them	21:51
kimd	Yes. That is what I observe. Attaching a photo in the testing code does not make a difference, btw.	21:51
kimd	I also noticed that I do not get forwarded to www_showConfirmation.	21:52
+perlDreamer	that may be due to a problem with how file uploads are handled by Mech	21:52
+perlDreamer	but let's deal with the bug at hand, first	21:53
kimd	Don't you think it is related?	21:54
kimd	If I create a photo manually and do not attach an image, I am returned to the default view immediately after editing.	21:54
kimd	If I attach an image, www_showConfirmation is called instead after editing.	21:54
kimd	That alone I would consider a bug.	21:54
kimd	There must be an issue in www_editSave.	21:55
+perlDreamer	probably, kimd	21:55
kimd	If a return from www_showConfirmation (manually), the asset is always up to date.	21:56
+perlDreamer	Couldn't call method editSave on asset for url: home/untitled/test/great-photo Root cause: Couldn't copy '' to '800.jpg': Is a directory at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo.pm line 422	21:56
+perlDreamer	that's the problem	21:56
kimd	That sounds like makeResolutions.	21:56
kimd	It obviously does not check for a missing image.	21:57
kimd	I will check. Thanks a lot.	21:57
+perlDreamer	hack on, kimd	21:57
kimd	Think I found it.	21:58
kimd	Is it ok to use croak for reporting errors?	21:58
kimd	Still being used here and there in the code.	21:59
+perlDreamer	it's better to use WebGUI::Error->throw	21:59
+perlDreamer	and then catch the exception and report an error to the user	22:00
kimd	Can you give me a file with an example?	22:00
+perlDreamer	yes...	22:00
+perlDreamer	Shop/PayDriver, line 482, for throwing the error	22:01
kimd	Cool.	22:02
kimd	But wouldn't logging be sufficient in that case?	22:02
+perlDreamer	well, yes and no	22:03
kimd	If there is no image attached we can just skip making resolutions and log a message.	22:03
+perlDreamer	there you go	22:03
kimd	Ok. Will do that then.	22:03
kimd	perlDreamer, do you think it would be good to attach a default image to new photos?	22:07
+perlDreamer	no	22:08
+perlDreamer	hm	22:15
+perlDreamer	that's the 2nd time that I've heard that idea though	22:15
+perlDreamer	maybe I'm being too stubborn	22:15
@frodwith	I seem to remember there being something about a default image once on the alumni site. It's ringing a bell.	22:21
@frodwith	an alarm bell.	22:21
+perlDreamer	it was posted as a bug	22:21
+perlDreamer	but we were unable to duplicate it in either recent branch	22:21
+perlDreamer	attributing it to recent bug fixes, or perhaps some custom code issue	22:22
* perlDreamer is out to lunch, with all appropriate connotations		22:27
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kimd	Can someone explain to me why $asset = $asset->cloneFromDb is not the same as $asset = WebGUI::Asset->newByDynamicClass($session, $asset->getId) ?	22:41
kimd	preaction, would you be willing to help me out if I told you that the new style selector rocks?	22:42
* kimd is having a break, too.		22:49
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+perlDreamer	cloneFromDb is shorter, and it uses the same revisionDate	23:18
+perlDreamer	there you go, kimd, that's why it's not the same	23:18
+perlDreamer	i have to go reheat a zigeuner schnitzel, brb	23:18
kimd	Thanks, perlDreamer! Enjoy the Schnitzel.	23:28
kimd	pearlDreamer, I ran into another problem (surprise!)	23:34
kimd	WWW::Mechanize is causing a server error sometimes but not always.	23:34
kimd	Executing the test script sometimes returns the following error message: http://webgui.pastebin.com/4zHBanaB	23:35
kimd	I suspect it has something to do with the getMechLogin function.	23:35
kimd	Ever seen that before?	23:35
kimd	In the log I can see the following error message: 2010/06/07 22:36:23 - FATAL - dev.localhost.localdomain.conf - WebGUI::SQL::ResultSet::execute[137] - Couldn't execute prepared statement: insert into assetData (assetId, revisionDate, revisedBy, tagId, status, url, ownerUserId, groupIdEdit, groupIdView) values (?, ?, ?, ?, 'pending', ?, '3','3','7') : With place holders: h9Xrbp1on2GNA7U69N3vhQ, 1275942983, JU7-WeWMzgBi17SnTUEIgg, hx0963l51-hKtSwx	23:36
kimd	9VWUjw, h9Xrbp1on2GNA7U69N3vhQ. Root cause: Duplicate entry 'h9Xrbp1on2GNA7U69N3vhQ-1275942983' for key 1	23:36
kimd	"wgd reset" does not solve the problem.	23:38
scrottie	afk a few	23:41
kimd	It is the testing code starting in line 164 that causes the problem (see http://webgui.pastebin.com/GzRgTXPR)	23:42
+perlDreamer	kimd, it's not allowed to have the revisionDate the same on two revisions	23:44
+perlDreamer	if the script runs fast enough, the www_edit method can do that	23:44
+perlDreamer	so, it's safest to force the revisionDate on gallery, album, and original photo to be 4-5 seconds in the past	23:44
kimd	I see. Should I sleep for a second? Or change the revisionDate manually?	23:45
+perlDreamer	change it manually	23:45
+perlDreamer	it'll save test time	23:45
kimd	Is there an API function for that?	23:45
+perlDreamer	see addChild method on how to set it manually	23:45
kimd	I will. Thanks again.	23:45
kimd	Ok, seems to solve the problem. Will have to make the code nicer.	23:52
+perlDreamer	ugh, patspam. MIME::Entity is seriously nasty stuff	23:54
+perlDreamer	like drinking freeze-dried new york coffee	23:54
+patspam	ow sorry perlDreamer	23:54
kimd	A last question for tonight:	23:56
+perlDreamer	k	23:56
kimd	k?	23:56
+perlDreamer	short for okay	23:56
kimd	Ah.	23:56
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+perlDreamer	okay => ok => kay => k	23:56
kimd	Redirecting via the "proceed" parameter will not update the current URL.	23:56
kimd	Is there a way to get around that?	23:57
kimd	For example, calling with "?proceed=viewParent" will display the parent's default view still showing the URL of the child.	23:57
+perlDreamer	right	23:57
+perlDreamer	currently, if you call all the way back up to Asset's www_editSave, no	23:58
kimd	Isn't that buggy? At least it makes testing very difficult.	23:58
+perlDreamer	it's not buggy	23:58
+perlDreamer	it's not great either, though	23:58
+perlDreamer	I've heard that we won't do funky internal redirects like that anymore	23:58
+perlDreamer	but for now... I'm afraid you're stuck	23:58
kimd	What would be the new way of doing this correctly?	23:59
kimd	Oh.	23:59
+perlDreamer	set a redirect :)	23:59
kimd	That would be a drastic change in editSave, wouldn't it?	23:59
+perlDreamer	yes	23:59
kimd	Allowed in 7.9.x?	23:59
+perlDreamer	i don't think so, but that would be preaction's call	23:59
--- Day changed Tue Jun 08 2010
kimd	He is gone. He just quit.	00:00
+perlDreamer	he'll be back. Send him a dev posting about the problem	00:00
kimd	I will. But only tomorrow. I need to get some sleep now.	00:00
kimd	Thanks for all the help.l	00:00
+perlDreamer	you're always welcome, kimd	00:01
* perlDreamer is off to pick up children from school		00:01
kimd	Enjoy the rest of your day. And everyone else as well, of course.	00:01
+perlDreamer	back i n30	00:01
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CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc4e85d8 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Restore the other fields that a CS can be sorted on, from the thread table. Fixes bug #11614. - http://bit.ly/devEIx	01:05
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r56e01cb / (2 files in 2 dirs): Restore the other fields that a CS can be sorted on, from the thread table. Fixes bug #11614. - http://bit.ly/9hzOaZ	01:05
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Haarg	perlDreamer, re: be259d8	01:22
+perlDreamer	yes sir!	01:23
+perlDreamer	?	01:23
Haarg	first is that the $orig call looks wrong	01:23
Haarg	since the params have already been shifted off	01:23
Haarg	second, i'm not quite clear on what you mean with checking if one exists in the commit message	01:23
+perlDreamer	let me finish this hot patch, and I'll review the WebGUI8 log	01:24
Haarg	there are a bunch of parts of the export code i don't love, but what is the actual problem you are seeing?	01:24
+perlDreamer	inside WebGUI::Session->config, when it tries to return $self->{_config}, it says, "Unable to use string 'WebGUI::Session' as a hash reference.	01:25
+perlDreamer	that's off the top of my head	01:25
+perlDreamer	you could always revert the patch, then try to run t/AssetAspect/RssFeed.t	01:25
+perlDreamer	and it will tell you exactly	01:25
Haarg	oh, well yeah i see what the change was meant to fix	01:25
Haarg	i mean the "The method needs to be rethought, and make check that one exists before calling it via can/DOES." in the commit message	01:26
+perlDreamer	ah, yes	01:27
+perlDreamer	"this method" being exportAssetCollateral	01:27
+perlDreamer	instead of calling it all the time, it would be good to check that the asset has such a method, and then call it	01:27
Haarg	don't all assets have it though?	01:28
+perlDreamer	no	01:28
+perlDreamer	the method supplied by AssetExportHtml is empty	01:28
Haarg	oh, yeah	01:28
Haarg	if we were going to go that route it seems like it would make more sense to have assets use 'after' on exportWriteFile	01:30
Haarg	you are right that the WebGUI::Session->duplicate thing came from a mistake while merging	01:31
+perlDreamer	except that it wouldn't have any way of getting either the reportSession, or the options	01:31
Haarg	well, that could be changed	01:31
+perlDreamer	yes, but changes ripple	01:32
Haarg	if don't know if there is a strong motivation to change it though	01:32
Haarg	the export code in general could use some refactoring	01:32
+perlDreamer	definitely	01:33
+perlDreamer	I can think of a reason to rewrite it	01:33
+perlDreamer	after doesn't get the arguments, does it?	01:33
+perlDreamer	mmmm, yes	01:34
+perlDreamer	but they cannot be modified	01:34
+perlDreamer	which in this case is fine	01:34
* perlDreamer better sit in on frodwith's Moose class at the WUC		01:34
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, since exportWriteFile takes no arguments, there's no reason we can't add additional arguments to it	01:39
Haarg	that's kind of what i was thinking	01:39
+perlDreamer	like the options, reportSession, and URL	01:39
Haarg	aside from general dissatisfaction with it though, what are the problems we would fix by changing it?	01:40
+perlDreamer	Assuming that we get rid of the bare exportAssetCollateral sub, and go to can/DOES...	01:42
+perlDreamer	then, for packages which only import roles, they need a placeholder sub for exportAssetCollateral	01:43
+perlDreamer	since roles, like RssFeed, have to assume that their consumer may have one, and use a method modifier like after	01:43
Haarg	there are ways around that, but it's kind of ugly	01:43
+perlDreamer	really?	01:44
Haarg	i think so	01:44
+perlDreamer	how would you do it?	01:44
Haarg	i think you can add the sub into the role as well as the modifier	01:44
Haarg	i'm still not seeing the up side to this though	01:44
+perlDreamer	no, I think using an after modifier on exportWriteFile is better	01:44
Haarg	well yes	01:45
Haarg	but why do we need to change it at all?	01:45
+perlDreamer	and the little naked sub offends me	01:45
+perlDreamer	that's the only reason. The little sub offends me.	01:45
+perlDreamer	it would offend me less in the case of having it in a consumer of a role	01:46
+perlDreamer	but no need for every asset to get it when it's not needed.	01:46
Haarg	not that i disagree with you, but it seems like a bit of work to fix a problem that has no real impact	01:47
+perlDreamer	probably 1.5 - 2 hours with testing	01:47
+perlDreamer	but you're right about extra time, tight deadlines, and the need to merge in psgi	01:48
+perlDreamer	I'll just fix the bad around code, and keep it in a note for future WebGUI purification	01:48
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r963591d / lib/WebGUI/Role/Asset/RssFeed.pm : Fix a bad around wrapper in the RssFeed assetExportHtml sub. - http://bit.ly/cvjSiU	01:50
* Haarg is currently manually modifying svn dump files to make something git-svn can understand		01:51
* perlDreamer needs to head outside, and mow the lawns at warp speed, before the rains return		01:51
CIA-57	webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r9c99fa2 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : clean up some parts of WebGUI::Test - http://bit.ly/bSHfrX	01:55
CIA-57	webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r033fc6c / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : allow skipping test cleanup - http://bit.ly/dq5hGS	02:01
CIA-57	webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r5cb384e / lib/WebGUI/Types.pm : ensure JSON is loaded - http://bit.ly/cwv0oR	02:01
CIA-57	webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r1e2b6fd / (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Snippet.pm lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm): allow undefined template or snippet text - http://bit.ly/dAy8k3	02:12
Haarg	preaction, i noticed the latest CHI automatically serializes keys	02:38
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@scrottie	alright, why do you have to do $session->config->set( 'emailOverride' before WebGUI tests will queue email messages?	02:44
@scrottie	or do you? what exactly does that accomplish, I guess I mean I think.	02:44
@scrottie	no, setting a from in the WebGUI::Mail::Send works too.	02:47
@scrottie	no, that just didn't get undone and now the default stuck. hmm.	02:53
+perlDreamer	scrottie, you don't	02:55
+perlDreamer	it's just one way to test emails	02:56
+perlDreamer	personally, I like the mini email test server that preaction set up	02:56
Haarg	emailOverride is more for manually testing email stuff, not for test scripts	02:56
Haarg	IO::Socket::SSL is needed for LDAPS. i guess it should just be a normal prereq then?	02:59
CIA-57	webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r950d751 / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : add IO::Socket::SSL as prereq for LDAPS - http://bit.ly/d4soh8	03:01
+perlDreamer	and we'll need that back in beta/stable, too, won't we Haarg?	03:03
Haarg	probably	03:04
+perlDreamer	done	03:05
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbbe962a / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : add IO::Socket::SSL as prereq for LDAPS - http://bit.ly/bE9v5g	03:05
@scrottie	testing disables logging... is there an easy way to undo that or to get at the messages otherwise?	03:06
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r63e0f8a / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : add IO::Socket::SSL as prereq for LDAPS - http://bit.ly/9r63uv	03:06
+perlDreamer	scrottie, they log into scalars	03:06
+perlDreamer	in general, testing does not disable logging	03:06
+perlDreamer	you have to ask it to do that for you	03:06
@scrottie	hrm.	03:06
+perlDreamer	I think it's WebGUI::Test->intercept_logging, and ->enable_logging	03:07
+perlDreamer	but you should check those, I haven't used them for a very long time	03:07
@scrottie	righto. thanks. hmm.	03:09
@scrottie	I guess I'm confused. This has tables to hold messages internally but the code in WebGUI::Mail::Get/Send talks about POP and SMTP servers an awful lot.	03:10
@scrottie	and it was internal tables that were finding themselves with inconsistent state.	03:11
+perlDreamer	I think you may be confusing WebGUI::Inbox{,::Message} with WebGUI::Mail::Send	03:11
@scrottie	the code is also really interested in finding and plugging in real email addresses.	03:11
@scrottie	ahh.	03:11
+perlDreamer	the first is for internal messaging	03:11
@scrottie	yeah.	03:11
+perlDreamer	the second is for queueing and sending emails	03:12
+perlDreamer	emails are queued during active user requests	03:12
@scrottie	yeah, that explains a lot. and this bug even says "WebGUI::Inbox".	03:12
+perlDreamer	then Spectre dials up WebGUI, and starts sending them	03:12
+perlDreamer	you don't want to learn about spectre yet	03:13
@scrottie	sir, NO SIR.	03:15
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CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3b7d582 / (t/Exception/Shop.t t/Mail/Send.t t/i18n/template.t): Removing END blocks - http://bit.ly/c3oxAk	04:12
+perlDreamer	Haarg, don't we have enough pieces to get rid of _all_ the END blocks in the tests?	04:15
Haarg	i think so	04:16
Haarg	for anything we don't have an easy cleanup thing for, you can just provide an arbitrary sub	04:16
+perlDreamer	... there is no way to delete a TaxDriver?	04:28
Haarg	of course not. you can never get rid of taxes.	04:28
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r65aa327 / (7 files in 4 dirs): Removing more END blocks - http://bit.ly/app6mi	04:31
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r41b7413 / (t/Account/Friends.t t/Shop/Ship.t t/Shop/TaxDriver/Generic.t): More END block work. - http://bit.ly/b32VkK	04:31
+perlDreamer	If I do 10 tests per night	04:46
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb728eab / (4 files in 2 dirs): Add cleanup for Shop::Vendors. More end block removal. - http://bit.ly/buAFGj	04:46
+perlDreamer	in two weeks we can test Test::Aggregate	04:46
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CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8a62abc / (3 files in 3 dirs): Add cleanup for AdSpaces, END block cleanup. - http://bit.ly/bG4lFs	04:54
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@scrottie	preaction, did the whole 'Tasks' thing just not happen today?	05:04
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7034e2c / (10 files in 4 dirs): More END block cleanups. - http://bit.ly/dC7FjY	05:08
@preaction	scrottie: 4 of us were moving The Game Crafter's production facilities onto a truck, Kristi was sick, Tavis was sick (can't verify those though)	05:21
@scrottie	alright. I'll not be shy then.	05:26
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, have you run prove with WEBGUI_TEST_DEBUG recently?	05:36
+perlDreamer	the number of sessions and scratch sessions slowly creeps up	05:36
@scrottie	hrm. test passing. not reproducing. looks like the user is still in the group even though I've removed them. grr.	05:39
@scrottie	so I have to fix a bug to make my test fail so I can make my test pass.	05:39
+perlDreamer	scrottie, would it help if I looked at your test?	05:41
@scrottie	yeah, we'll intimidate it! if I were a test, I'd be scared of you too.	05:41
+perlDreamer	paste away, dude	05:41
@scrottie	I'm wondering if getMessagesPaginator isn't just caching the groups the user is in. let me try that right quick.	05:43
* perlDreamer is afk for a bit, time to read to the kiddos		05:45
@scrottie	SQL output shows it still trying to join on groupId. modifying the SQL and running it at the mysql shell while the test is control-z'd, it fails to join if the group is removed from the list of groups for the user.	05:45
@scrottie	so if the list of the groups for the users is correct, the bug is reproduceable.	05:45
@scrottie	slowass.net/~scott/tmp/Groups.t.txt	05:46
@scrottie	according to the bug report and what I'm seeing in the SQL, this test should fail:	05:47
@scrottie	is($messageList->[0]->getId, $messageId, '... getMessagesForUser able to get message with messageId matching the message sent');	05:47
@scrottie	$user->getGroupIdsRecursive agrees that the user was removed from the group, but getMessagesForUser, which calls that (indirectly) still lists them as being in it.	05:48
@scrottie	and what's with the user winding up in groups '2' and '7'?	05:50
@scrottie	ooh, ooops. botched that test line.	05:50
@scrottie	missing an array deref.	05:51
@scrottie	group->getAllUsers is correct, getGroupIdsRecursive has stale data.	05:52
@scrottie	$userFred->session->stow->delete("gotGroupsForUser"); # there, that fixed the brokenness	05:56
@scrottie	so that the brokenness works right.	05:56
@scrottie	the actual fix is straight forward but I have to pack up here and take off so I need to do that tomorrow.	05:57
CIA-57	webgui: Scott Walters master * r78de99a / (34 files in 22 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of http://github.com/plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/aYfBLL	06:01
@scrottie	I know this code has some cruft but I have to say, it makes me really, really happy to be able to read it and see what's going on. It's about a billion times better than some code I've worked on.	06:01
@scrottie	dammit, I need to figure out if it's possible to suppress those merge messages in git.	06:02
@scrottie	guess I could stash, pull, unstash, commit, push.	06:03
+perlDreamer	34 files?	06:05
+perlDreamer	scrottie, what is that?	06:06
@scrottie	committed a merge. sigh	06:06
@scrottie	know how to fix that?	06:06
+perlDreamer	yes, roll it back	06:06
+perlDreamer	then cherry pick the one commit	06:06
@scrottie	and, like I said, I need to learn how to not do that.	06:06
@scrottie	okay.	06:06
Haarg	git config branch.webgui-7.6.rebase true	06:08
Haarg	for each branch	06:08
Haarg	and git config --global branch.autosetuprebase remote	06:09
Haarg	and it will automatically be set for every branch created in the future	06:09
+perlDreamer	okay, scrottie, some more test feedback	06:13
+perlDreamer	we can't use done_testing in the main branches	06:13
+perlDreamer	Test::Harness 3 isn't required until WebGUI8, so you still have to count tests :(	06:13
@scrottie	grrrr. cannot get it to not put a merge message in the log.	06:14
@scrottie	every time I pull. I did a bunch rebase true things and it said it was replaying my changes and I --hard checked out a previous ref...	06:14
+perlDreamer	you also should not need to clear the cache	06:14
+perlDreamer	if that isn't happening automatically, then there's a bug somewhere	06:14
@scrottie	perlDreamer, I did have to clear the test. that was the missing piece. and comments in User.pm state that it cashes. that could be considered a bug.	06:14
@scrottie	right. I need to deal with this stuff tomorrow. someone who likes to wake up early and go to bed early is going to be annoyed with me.	06:15
@scrottie	I'll add a new test for that for User...	06:15
+perlDreamer	good night, and good luck :)	06:15
@scrottie	and try to fix git now... but might fail or make it worse.	06:16
@scrottie	thanks =)	06:16
Haarg	scrottie, can you paste your .git/config file?	06:23
@scrottie	Haarg, thanks, but later... gotta go!	06:26
CIA-57	webgui: Scott Walters master * r9fb7b23 / t/Inbox/Groups.t : Tests reproducing bug #11594, users removed from groups no longer able to see previous messages to that group - http://bit.ly/dxcqAp	06:26
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@scrottie	crud. I forgot, I have to fix the tests style. I'll do that in the morning too. sorry.	06:26
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7034e2c / (10 files in 4 dirs): More END block cleanups. (+599 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/dC7FjY	06:30
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+perlDreamer	'night, all	06:34
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CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1770e39 / (13 files in 8 dirs): END block cleanups. - http://bit.ly/cVh5kM	18:43
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4eb013e / t/Inbox/Groups.t : Remove uncontrolled diagnostics, and done_testing. - http://bit.ly/cWOuNE	18:43
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CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2c08b4e / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix a bug in getLineageSql, where it would return the empty string. This could cause downstream problems. Fixes bug #11616 - http://bit.ly/9laYJq	19:23
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * rac3f734 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix a bug in getLineageSql, where it would return the empty string. This could cause downstream problems. Fixes bug #11616 - http://bit.ly/biXpOa	19:24
+perlDreamer	that was a particularly nasty bug in getLineageSql	19:30
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+perlDreamer	morning, scrottie	20:19
@scrottie	morning, perlDreamer	20:19
+perlDreamer	patspam, preaction, the addFooter/addText/addHtml plan is not going to work.	21:09
+patspam	oh noes!	21:09
+perlDreamer	well, not without potential breakage	21:09
+perlDreamer	from a core perspective, it should be fine	21:09
+perlDreamer	let me talk through what I think the problem is	21:09
+perlDreamer	Mail::Send has 3 main way to add parts	21:10
+perlDreamer	addText, addHtml and addAttachment	21:10
+patspam	(I'll backlog in 30mins - just heading out the door)	21:10
+perlDreamer	addAttachment can add ANY kind of attachment, including text and HTML	21:10
+perlDreamer	that makes addFooter's stated job difficult at best	21:10
+perlDreamer	the last attachment may be part of a message from addText/Html, or it may be an attachment added via addAttachment	21:11
+perlDreamer	in fact, there's no way to look at a part of a message and see where it came from	21:11
+perlDreamer	so my next idea was to say, always append the footer to the first part of the email message	21:12
+perlDreamer	that's the one that outlook is guaranteed to display	21:12
+perlDreamer	but, if it was an HTML message, it's a complete HTML page, so you have to parse the message and append it to the bottom of the HTML	21:13
+perlDreamer	so then I thought, what if we didn't generate the message as it's built, but work more like FormBuilder, and build an object that will serialize itself when being queued, or sent?	21:14
+perlDreamer	but attachments again balk you here, since there's no guarantee that the file-system based attachments will still exist later	21:15
+perlDreamer	basically, to fix this bug we're going to have to accept some breakage	21:15
+perlDreamer	of existing non-core code, or at least the risk of it.	21:16
@preaction	i think that's acceptable	21:18
+perlDreamer	are you okay with the "append to first part" approach? I think it's going to be better than the late-serialize idea	21:19
@preaction	sure, we can try it and see if anybody complains	21:25
* perlDreamer will start coding in that direction, and wait for patspam to weigh in with final thoughts		22:11
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kimd	perlDreamer, I have been thinking about how to handle photos that have no image file attached.	22:27
+perlDreamer	okay, what have you come up with	22:27
kimd	I think we need at least some kind of generic image for thumbnail creation.	22:27
kimd	So many methods just expect an image to be present.	22:28
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kimd	Of course we could add testing code and error handling to each of them.	22:28
kimd	But what would be the value?	22:28
kimd	What is it that you do not like about using a generic image?	22:28
+perlDreamer	having dozens of copies of some default image in the uploads area	22:29
kimd	It could be a 1x1 white or transparent png. Does not really matter.	22:29
kimd	And it would be replaced as soon as the user decides to upload an image.	22:29
kimd	Photo assets without an image file attached do not make much sense anyhow.	22:30
+perlDreamer	when an image is uploaded, it will create a new revision, with its own storage location	22:30
kimd	Ok. That is a point.	22:30
+perlDreamer	how about returning the user back to the edit screen if there's no image file?	22:30
kimd	Equally possible. The form could report an error and reject submittal.	22:31
kimd	In addition, we could check whether we really have an image.	22:31
+perlDreamer	I think the Form::Image plugin may do that	22:31
kimd	Ok. I will check that.	22:32
kimd	A question on Form controls. In the code for the Photo asset, a function name WebGUI::Form::file is used. I cannot find that function in WebGUI::Form, however. Where is it defined?	22:37
kimd	Ah. Everything is explained in the POD for WebGUI::Form. Never mind.	22:38
+perlDreamer	kimd, if it uses Form::File, you should check to see that it got an image	22:39
+perlDreamer	WebGUI::Storage has an isImage method for checking that	22:39
kimd	Found it.	22:41
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+perlDreamer	MIME::Entity is not PBP compatible	22:52
kimd	Suggested error message: "You need to select an image to upload."	22:52
kimd	Ok?	22:52
+perlDreamer	$i18n->get('You need to select an image to uploads');	22:53
+perlDreamer	yes :)	22:53
kimd	Sure.	22:53
Haarg	perlDreamer, question 252138777c301ea4e26f360e29bc0177a5adca4d	22:56
Haarg	s/question/question about/	22:56
+perlDreamer	yup	22:56
+perlDreamer	resolutions are strings, not numbers	22:56
+perlDreamer	800x600	22:56
+perlDreamer	320x480	22:56
+perlDreamer	and so on	22:56
Haarg	but then you get 1024, 320, 640, 800 and such	22:57
* perlDreamer got tired of seeing 800x600 is not numeric in sort		22:57
+perlDreamer	in the logs	22:57
Haarg	ah, so it spits out warnings	22:57
+perlDreamer	yes	22:57
Haarg	are there other filenames aside from the resolution filenames?	22:58
* perlDreamer doesn't remember		22:58
Haarg	it should probably be done with a split and two part sort	22:58
+perlDreamer	yeah, that would be better	22:58
Haarg	i'll leave it as cmp for now though	22:59
+perlDreamer	let me guess, now 1024 is showing up below 800 in the list of resolutions?	22:59
Haarg	working on another master->WebGUI8 merge	22:59
Haarg	just something i noticed when working on the merge	22:59
Haarg	since sort { $a cmp $b } is the same as just sort	22:59
+patspam	perlDreamer: sounds good re: mail footer	23:03
+perlDreamer	cool	23:03
+patspam	I'll do a test for you to see which mail clients care if you just append the extra html after </html>	23:03
+perlDreamer	that'll make things easier	23:04
+patspam	Plack::Middleware::Debug just does: $chunk =~ s!(?=</body>)!$content!i;	23:04
+patspam	by necessity because it doesn't know if it's got a chunk of html or the whole doc	23:05
+perlDreamer	how many email clients do you have access to?	23:05
+patspam	but I'm yet to see it fail	23:05
+patspam	heh and if it's good enough for miyagawa it's good enough for me ;)	23:05
+patspam	I have: thunderbird, gmail, outlook 2003	23:06
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+perlDreamer	preaction has iMail	23:06
+perlDreamer	I'll rally the troops on the dev channel	23:06
+patspam	I reckon the code should try using the body tag regex, and if that doesn't match just append it	23:07
+perlDreamer	body tag regex?	23:07
+patspam	s!(?=</body>)!$content!i;	23:07
+patspam	if the message doesn't have that it's invalid html, so "not your problem"	23:07
+perlDreamer	there's an easier way	23:08
+perlDreamer	the parts are tagged by addText, addHtml	23:08
+perlDreamer	and everything coming from addHtml always has a closing body tag	23:08
+perlDreamer	if they use addHtmlRaw, and omit a closing body tag, that's their own fault for writing bad HTML	23:08
+patspam	yep, I agree	23:09
+perlDreamer	I did check the core first before making that grand pronouncement, though ;)	23:09
+patspam	heh	23:09
+patspam	so no need to test mail clients for what they do given "<html>..</html>$blah"	23:10
+perlDreamer	oh no	23:10
+perlDreamer	uh, yeah	23:10
+perlDreamer	sorry, Kathy's home from school today and my attention is divided	23:10
+patspam	http://boxcar.io++	23:10
+patspam	iphone push notifications - means we can ditch our nagios sms alerts	23:11
ckotil	nice	23:14
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kimd	Cool. I am more or less done with the boring RFEs. My next hacks will be on ajaxifying the gallery album edit view. Already looking forward to that.	00:15
kimd	Enjoy hacking. I will go to bed.	00:16
@scrottie	night kimd	00:22
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+perlDreamer	well, it seems we have an in-lined footer working	00:53
+patspam	perlDreamer++	00:58
+perlDreamer	that's by eyeballing the output	00:59
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@scrottie	hrm. my login on webgui.org stopped working. trying to do password recovery, it says "There is no email registered for this account. Password recovery via email is not possible."	01:35
@scrottie	trying to make a new account, it confirms that scottwalters is already used.	01:35
@scrottie	who do I talk to to have the thing kicked?	01:35
+perlDreamer	let me see if I can help you out	01:35
@scrottie	creating a ticket (in now; thanks), for "What's the bug in?", does git bleed == WebGUI Beta? that's kinda suspect.	01:40
+perlDreamer	master == WebGUI Beta	01:41
+perlDreamer	we don't file tickets for WebGUI8 yet	01:42
@scrottie	er, this is master... something not far what has been released for 7.	01:44
+perlDreamer	what's the bug?	01:44
@scrottie	after removing a user from a group with WG:Group->deleteUsers(), $thatUser->getGroups() still lists them as being in the group. the cache key getGroupsForUser isn't being cleared in Group::clearCaches.	01:46
@scrottie	WG::Group	01:46
+perlDreamer	how do you know that bug hasn't been release yet?	01:46
@scrottie	hmm? I don't know.	01:46
@scrottie	I could check out tagged release versions.	01:47
@scrottie	but first I thought I'd ask more about the procedure.	01:47
@scrottie	previously, I was told, approximately, that bug fixes should have tickets.	01:47
+perlDreamer	yes	01:47
@scrottie	cool. details on that?	01:47
+perlDreamer	it's best to try and narrow down when the bug was introduced	01:48
@preaction	it's a judgement call, really. don't worry too much about obscure API bugs, but anything from the web interface should be documented	01:48
@scrottie	well, I was given two days to fix that bug and I hit a bug in my effort to fix that bug, so my instinct is to fudge in the name of meeting my deadline.	01:49
@scrottie	so, don't bother with tickets for obscure API calls, but if I do create a ticket, document which versions the bug effects?	01:50
+perlDreamer	there isn't any unreleased code in Group.pm	01:51
+perlDreamer	so it has to be in a released version	01:51
@scrottie	okay, so verify that it effects at least one release version?	01:51
@scrottie	preaction, can you comment on the policies here?	01:52
@preaction	don't care about which versions it affects, just which version it'll be fixed in. if it affects someone, they'll find it (or we'll find it for them)	01:53
@scrottie	okay. I'm going to have to continue asking on a case by case basis until I discover the pattern.	01:53
@preaction	but yes, you might want to verify on a demo site: http://beta.webgui.org (for 7.9) or http://demo.webgui.org (for stable, 7.8)	01:53
@scrottie	I should take and spend another day with the Wiki some time.	01:53
@scrottie	well, it's API, not UI	01:54
@scrottie	so I would be ssh'ing in.	01:54
@preaction	ah, then don't worry about it. time better spent writing regression tests or moving on	01:54
@scrottie	cool.	01:55
@scrottie	yeah, this is already a tangent to what I was doing.	01:55
@scrottie	ahem. I assume fixes get backported from WebGUI8->WebGUI7 and forward ported from WebGUI7->WebGUI8. or is there a procrastinated day of reconcilliation?	01:56
Haarg	procrastinated	01:56
Haarg	we don't do many bug fixes in WebGUI8 at this point aside from bug fixes to the WebGUI 8 stuff	01:57
Haarg	i was just working on a merge of 7 into 8 but got tired of it	01:57
+perlDreamer	time to take the kids to piano, back on later tonight	01:59
@scrottie	Haarg: understandable.	01:59
@scrottie	perlDreamer: have fun	01:59
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Haarg	i did one merge already, so it's not as bad as it could be, but it's probably time to do another.	02:00
CIA-57	webgui: Scott Walters master * r867095d / (lib/WebGUI/Group.pm t/Group.t):	02:08
CIA-57	webgui: A user removed from a group with deleteUsers() will still appear to be in that	02:08
CIA-57	webgui: group according to Inbox.pm, User::getGroupIdsRecursive() and User::getGroups().	02:08
CIA-57	webgui: Groups.pm wasn't clearing the cache key "getGroupsForUser" in clearCaches().	02:08
CIA-57	webgui: Tests and fix. - http://bit.ly/9RyuFA	02:08
CIA-57	webgui: Scott Walters master * r7ef3c7e / t/Inbox/Groups.t : Less diagnostic output and don't manually clear the group membership cache. - http://bit.ly/cVN2xV	02:08
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Haarg	patspam, what else needs to be done for pseudorequest?	02:49
+patspam	hey haarg	02:50
+patspam	pseudorequest is going away	02:50
Haarg	ah :) sounds like a good idea	02:51
+patspam	and I think all instances of WebGUI::Test::getPage() should be replaced with something like Plack::Test::test_psgi() where you pass in a callback to test the response	02:51
+patspam	that way it will work for streaming responses too	02:51
+patspam	and we'll be able to do the PLACK_SERVER thing to test under any server	02:52
+patspam	but pseudorequest will be very valuable for one thing	02:52
+patspam	colin's already done the leg work of mapping out and documenting a lot of the Apache2:: methods	02:52
+patspam	we can use that as our cheat-sheet when finishing the job of ripping out WebGUI::Session::Http	02:53
+patspam	and the mapping to WebGUI::Session::Request/Response which is mostly just Plack::Request/Response	02:53
* patspam heads out to see a gig		02:55
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+perlDreamer	scrottie, I tracked down the Group caching bug.	04:24
@scrottie	I know, I did too	04:24
@scrottie	I told you what it was already, when you asked me what was going on =P	04:25
+perlDreamer	yes, but when I looked for the variable that you named, it wasn't in the code	04:25
@scrottie	not a variable, a cache key.	04:25
+perlDreamer	it wasn't there either	04:25
+perlDreamer	ack never lies	04:25
@scrottie	http://github.com/plainblack/webgui/commit/867095d8117eba16debe5917e0577f17e00f6f57	04:27
@scrottie	that change to WebGUI::Group fixes the test failure in the test I added to t/Group.t	04:27
@scrottie	and also changes the t/Inbox/Groups.t I put together the other night so that it fails in the way expected and consistent with the bug	04:28
@scrottie	I've got revised SQL for that but I wanted to take a nap first before committing and look at the test outputs again and so on. I've finished the nap portion of that plan.	04:28
+perlDreamer	excellent!	04:29
+perlDreamer	a couple more notes	04:30
@scrottie	sure!	04:30
+perlDreamer	we release right out of the master repository on Tuesday	04:30
+perlDreamer	which is today	04:30
@scrottie	ack!	04:30
+perlDreamer	and 1 requirement for release is that all tests pass	04:30
+perlDreamer	so, for future reference, please don't commit tests that expose bugs unless fixes are shortly following, on Tuesdays ;)	04:30
@scrottie	haha, okay	04:30
+perlDreamer	the good news is that we alternate releases	04:31
+perlDreamer	one tuesday is stable	04:31
+perlDreamer	the following tuesday is beta	04:31
+perlDreamer	so you got a week to straighten things out!	04:31
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r2d3b14b / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Fixed #11613: Thingy: If next action after add is to add more things, previous data remains - http://bit.ly/azEZGJ	04:37
CIA-57	webgui: khenn webgui-7.8 * rc4cc5c2 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm : Not enough arguments to searchOther - http://bit.ly/9Z2TE8	04:37
@scrottie	waiting for the 2nd prove to run so I can `kompare` them. wee!	04:42
@scrottie	I think some of these warnings/failures are 5.12 induced. I should fix those.	04:42
+perlDreamer	the canonical run of WebGUI (one that really counts) has to pass on the WRE	04:42
+perlDreamer	with 5.8	04:43
+perlDreamer	no done_testing	04:43
+perlDreamer	no say	04:43
+perlDreamer	no ~~	04:43
* perlDreamer starts to whimper, "ITS NOT FAIR"		04:43
@scrottie	and no grammar-plugins? awww =(	04:43
+perlDreamer	all the rest of the world gets to use 5.10	04:43
@preaction	and yet we still have to test on IE6	04:44
+perlDreamer	but we'll be free after WebGUI8, yes?	04:44
+perlDreamer	WebGUI8 == perl 5.10, Moose, CHI, plack and >=IE7	04:44
@preaction	probably not.	04:44
+perlDreamer	what!!??	04:44
+perlDreamer	but you said so	04:45
@preaction	that was before i remembered that plainblack's largest client is IE6-only	04:45
+perlDreamer	they can upgrade	04:45
+perlDreamer	they can run IE10 in IE6 compatibility mode	04:45
@preaction	yes, they've been "going to upgrade" for years now	04:46
@scrottie	you know, we could run khtml2png server-side and generate, as output, a gif image map and present that.	04:46
@preaction	one of them even brought it up to The Big Boss in a huge pep-rally / meeting that made the news	04:46
@scrottie	I guess people couldn't actually fill in forms but oh well.	04:47
@preaction	http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/07/14/us-state-department-employees-ask-hillary-clinton-for-firefox/	04:48
@scrottie	so this helpdesk rework I'm supposed to be doing... the AJAX has to go in IE6?	04:49
@preaction	that's even after the WUC '06 where I was (again) talking to Palamara about it (or rather, Palamara was ranting about it)	04:49
@preaction	nope, that's the beauty of the HelpDesk, it's not Core WebGUI	04:49
@scrottie	ahh. fweeew.	04:49
+perlDreamer	preaction, not to disagree	04:49
+perlDreamer	but if our largest customer can't post tickets, it wouldn't be good	04:50
+perlDreamer	it would reduce our workload initially	04:50
+perlDreamer	but I suspect that would be a self-correcting problem	04:50
@preaction	quelle horreur. they can spend their own time and money to get it fixed for their platform	04:50
@scrottie	I love webapps that gracefully decode for browsers without JS or with JS disabled.	04:51
@scrottie	degrade. not decode.	04:51
+perlDreamer	WebGUI doesn't degrade, it breaks	04:51
@preaction	i like them too, i just hate making them because it takes three times as long	04:51
@scrottie	Can't locate object method "new" via package "CODE" (perhaps you forgot to load "CODE"?) at /home/scott/plainblack/WebGUI7/webgui/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm line 823. ... that's annoying.	04:54
+perlDreamer	where's that scrottie	04:54
@scrottie	not sure. one of the tests.	04:55
+perlDreamer	I've got another half hour at piano lessons, I'll run the test suite on master and see what's up	04:58
@scrottie	looking into it myself too...	05:00
@scrottie	least I can do is get a good stack trace.	05:00
+perlDreamer	I ran it several times last night while doing END block cleanups	05:00
+perlDreamer	and I thought everything passed....	05:01
+perlDreamer	but I've been wrong too many times not to double check	05:01
@scrottie	http://gist.github.com/430939	05:02
@scrottie	should I push my changes anyway and assume that my changes are unrelated?	05:04
+perlDreamer	yes	05:05
+perlDreamer	Haarg: pushing a code ref into addToCleanup doesn't work like CODE => sub { #something }, ?	05:07
+perlDreamer	analogous to SQL?	05:07
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rec4c31c / t/Config.t : Fix some cleanup code. - http://bit.ly/buomOt	05:09
+perlDreamer	nice work all around scrottie	05:09
+perlDreamer	just needs to be backported to the 7.8 branch	05:09
@scrottie	shucks...	05:09
@scrottie	haha	05:09
* perlDreamer puts on his Code Cop hat		05:09
+perlDreamer	it's not my favorite job	05:10
CIA-57	webgui: Scott Walters master * r07657e5 / lib/WebGUI/Inbox.pm :	05:14
CIA-57	webgui: Reworked active messages SQL. Fixes #11594. Don't try to relate	05:14
CIA-57	webgui: to groups that the user may not be a part of any longer. - http://bit.ly/8XHcv1	05:14
CIA-57	webgui: Scott Walters master * r647dc6a / t/Inbox/Groups.t : Correct number of tests. - http://bit.ly/abzkRg	05:14
@scrottie	so many questions... is this the sort of thing that goes into changelogs?	05:14
+perlDreamer	The fix for Frank's bug, definitely	05:15
+perlDreamer	the fix for the API... I say yes	05:15
+perlDreamer	preaction may say no	05:15
@preaction	doesn't matter to me either way really	05:15
+perlDreamer	a while ago, we decided to be very thorough about opening bugs to record EVERYTHING we do	05:15
+perlDreamer	and it's kind of lagged (all around)	05:15
+perlDreamer	but I try to encourage people to do that	05:16
+perlDreamer	just so he have good records	05:16
* perlDreamer thinks that getMechLogin needs to be moved into a WebGUI::Test::Mech utility class		05:18
+perlDreamer	scrottie, there's a potential, hidden bug in Frank's suggested SQL	05:28
+perlDreamer	it doesn't return things in the right order	05:28
+perlDreamer	and there's no tests for that	05:28
+perlDreamer	time to take kids home	05:29
+perlDreamer	back in 60	05:29
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CIA-57	webgui: Scott Walters webgui-7.8 * r6c3bd64 / (lib/WebGUI/Group.pm t/Group.t):	06:35
CIA-57	webgui: A user removed from a group with deleteUsers() will still appear to be in that	06:35
CIA-57	webgui: group according to Inbox.pm, User::getGroupIdsRecursive() and User::getGroups().	06:35
CIA-57	webgui: Groups.pm wasn't clearing the cache key "getGroupsForUser" in clearCaches().	06:35
CIA-57	webgui: Tests and fix. - http://bit.ly/9dzrUv	06:35
@scrottie	whoah, did I push that?	06:38
@scrottie	no.	06:38
+perlDreamer	nope	06:40
+perlDreamer	I did	06:40
@scrottie	thanks, I guess =P	06:40
@scrottie	ORDER BY messageStatus='pending' DESC, dateStamp DESC ...	06:41
@scrottie	should that messageStatus='pending' maybe be part of the WHERE clause?	06:41
+perlDreamer	I think so	06:42
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r819c8ed / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.8.21 release. - http://bit.ly/c6AYfY	06:46
+perlDreamer	scrottie, yet another undocumented git policy thing	06:48
+perlDreamer	during release, please don't make commits into the branch that is being released	06:48
+perlDreamer	it should only be about 1 hour or so	06:48
@scrottie	that's just common sense.	06:49
* scrottie pushes the Yahoo! Toolbar at the last second.		06:49
@scrottie	it's FREE!	06:49
+perlDreamer	git revert HEAD	06:49
@scrottie	haha, if messageStatus isn't in the SORT, it has to be in HAVING.	06:54
@scrottie	754b9c7c (Colin Kuskie 2009-04-16 23:17:55 +0000 404) $sortBy = q{messageStatus='pending' DESC, dateStamp DESC};	06:54
@scrottie	YOU did that =P	06:54
@scrottie	that SQL is just a bit wonky. I don't think I'd better mess wit it just now. I think I'd need to read through all of this and write some better tests and experiment against real world data and actually look at the UI result and all of that.	06:56
+perlDreamer	dude, git show 754b9c7c	06:56
@scrottie	it's PROOF! you're part of the CONSPIRACY!	06:59
@scrottie	seriously though, is Frank is still committing stuff like that?	07:01
Haarg	i'm not seeing the problem with that sql	07:01
@scrottie	Haarg, if it really wants the pending messages first, I guess it's okay, but it seems more likely that they'd want only the unread messages.	07:01
Haarg	it's meant for the general inbox view if you don't apply any sorting to it	07:02
Haarg	which shows them by date, but with pending stuff first	07:02
+perlDreamer	yup	07:03
Haarg	could stand to be documented better i suppose but it's definitely meant to work the way it does	07:04
@scrottie	alright.	07:05
+perlDreamer	why, oh why didn't I listed to Haarg about making all release tools wgd plugins?	07:10
@scrottie	because Haarg comes on late in the day when we're all tired.	07:13
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CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r8c4830f / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.8.22 development cycle. - http://bit.ly/anHIWB	07:25
+perlDreamer	okay, release is down	07:26
+perlDreamer	done	07:26
+perlDreamer	complete	07:26
@scrottie	yay.	07:26
+perlDreamer	maybe I'll try running the test suite before commit more cleanup code this time...	07:26
@scrottie	don't sweat the small stuff.	07:29
@scrottie	it is possible to be _too_ careful.	07:29
+perlDreamer	yes, but the tests are there to help me not make mistakes like that	07:31
+perlDreamer	and as Code Cop, I regularly chastise people for not running the tests	07:31
+perlDreamer	It's hard to make the Code Cop badge shine when it's covered with grimy hypocrisy	07:32
@scrottie	beats the heck out of a weekly smoke.	07:32
+perlDreamer	once I finish the END block cleanup, we can see what Test::Aggregate does for test times	07:37
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Haarg	perlDreamer, we probably need a little more than that	07:38
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+perlDreamer	I wouldn't doubt it	07:38
+perlDreamer	but it's the first big, known hurdle	07:38
Haarg	like a my $g = Scope::Guard->new(sub { WebGUI::Test->cleanup }); at the top of each test	07:38
+perlDreamer	find . -name '*.t' \| xargs perl -ni -e 'print; print "What Haarg said" if /use WebGUI::Test/;'	07:40
Haarg	i wish you could do that with just the use statement but i've searched around and it pretty much isn't possible	07:41
Haarg	other than with a source filter	07:41
+perlDreamer	it's just boilerplate that has to be added to each test?	07:41
Haarg	or possibly an xs module that hasn't been created yet.	07:41
Haarg	pretty much	07:41
Haarg	we take care of it with the END block in WebGUI::Test but that wouldn't work with something like Test::Aggregate	07:42
+perlDreamer	yeah	07:42
+perlDreamer	oh...	07:42
+perlDreamer	maybe we can do it	07:43
+perlDreamer	but in WebGUI8	07:43
+perlDreamer	if (and this is a big if) every test used done_testing	07:43
Haarg	the other thing is any places we use Test::MockObject unsafely	07:43
+perlDreamer	we could make WebGUI::Test to be a Test::Builder, and then grab done_testing	07:43
Haarg	it already is a Test::Builder	07:43
+perlDreamer	it won't affect the Test::Class tests, since the cleanup at the end of every sub	07:44
+perlDreamer	and with every script test calling done_testing, we'd have a procedural (non-END block) way of ending every test	07:45
+perlDreamer	no, it's even easier	07:45
+perlDreamer	Test::Aggregate wraps every script as a module	07:45
+perlDreamer	so we could stick stuff into that module	07:45
Haarg	ahh yeah it lets you define setup and teardown code	07:46
+perlDreamer	but, before we even get there, we need to get those END blocks out of there	07:47
Haarg	yes	07:47
+perlDreamer	and I just broke some Inbox cleanup, somewhere, so I need to track it down and find it	07:47
Haarg	doing something with done_testing wouldn't be good because the whole point of done_testing is that it doesn't get run if there is a failure of some kind	07:47
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@scrottie	hmm? more likely, I did.	07:54
+perlDreamer	possibly, scrottie. but when you ran the suite it would have shown up	07:55
+perlDreamer	Test::Aggregate also requires "no_plan" in all tests	07:57
+perlDreamer	but that may have been before the advent of done_testing	07:57
+perlDreamer	too much, too late, too old	07:58
+perlDreamer	more fun tomorrow	07:58
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+bartjol	eeeh, scrottie, you ought to live in the netherlands, with your sleep/awake rhytm	12:45
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CIA-57	webgui: Graham Knop psgi * r883b145 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : some WebGUI::Test cleanups (+10 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/dcZyTZ	15:18
CIA-57	webgui: Graham Knop test-temp-config * rd8137c8 / (20 files in 11 dirs): use temp config file for tests - http://bit.ly/bbGY5n	15:18
CIA-57	webgui: Graham Knop test-mailserver * r0614383 / (4 files in 4 dirs): new separate module for smtp testing - http://bit.ly/bDl5DU	15:19
CIA-57	webgui: Graham Knop test-mockasset * ra3c38d3 / (t/Macro/PickLanguage.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test/MockAsset.pm): mock asset test package - http://bit.ly/aEIf0x	15:20
CIA-57	webgui: Graham Knop test-mockasset * r7f91291 / (t/Macro/PickLanguage.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test/MockAsset.pm): mock asset test package (+599 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/amWrts	15:43
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+perlDreamer	khenn, regarding the thing.css file	18:02
@khenn	yeah	18:02
+perlDreamer	why can't things be overridden, using CSS?	18:02
+perlDreamer	in the template?	18:02
@khenn	it can be	18:03
@khenn	however	18:03
@khenn	the code still writes the css file to the page	18:03
@khenn	no matter what you do	18:03
@khenn	which prevents you from using filepump to lump all your stuff together	18:03
@khenn	or compress it	18:03
@khenn	etc	18:03
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Haarg	perlDreamer, http://bit.ly/bbGY5n http://bit.ly/bDl5DU http://bit.ly/amWrts three potential testing things	18:19
Haarg	not in any of the real branches yet, thought i would get some feedback first	18:21
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, is Package::Stash already a sub-requirement of anything in WebGUI?	18:27
+perlDreamer	I guess it's just for testing, so probably doesn't matter	18:27
Haarg	Class::MOP	18:27
Haarg	it's really simple stuff and wouldn't need the module, but we are already using it so i figured i would go with something more readable.	18:28
+perlDreamer	it all looks good to me	18:31
+perlDreamer	it simplifies the config cleanup	18:31
+perlDreamer	it moves the mail and mock asset code out into its own packages	18:31
+perlDreamer	there's going to be some ripple out cleanup required of the tests	18:31
Haarg	yeah	18:32
Haarg	the mocking stuff needs to be applied to other tests	18:32
Haarg	i just did the one to make sure it was working	18:32
+perlDreamer	sure	18:32
+SynQ	ohm	18:35
+SynQ	Haarg, perlDreamer hi	18:35
+SynQ	are you still using the WRE?	18:35
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+perlDreamer	What do you mean, SynQ?	18:35
+SynQ	just as I say it	18:35
+SynQ	are you using it	18:35
Haarg	i'm not using it locally	18:35
+SynQ	and if so, which version?	18:35
+SynQ	since 0.9.3 is way old now	18:36
+perlDreamer	I run some tests on 0.9.3, but I still do dev using a source install	18:36
+SynQ	and 0.9.4 is not officially out	18:36
Haarg	i'm using a source install but without apache	18:37
+SynQ	ah	18:37
@preaction	0.9.4 can't be released, it doesn't compile on OS X	18:37
+SynQ	preaction: you are right	18:37
@preaction	though I haven't tested that in about 6 months now, so maybe somebody fixed it. it was only Class::MOP I was having trouble with	18:38
+SynQ	ah	18:38
+SynQ	if we drop Class::MOP we could release 0.9.4?	18:38
@preaction	can't drop Class::MOP, Config::JSON depends on Moose now	18:39
+SynQ	ah	18:39
+SynQ	so we are basically in hell :P	18:39
@preaction	yep. that's why i've been discussing dropping the WRE altogether in favor of platform-specific packages (.deb, .rpm, macports, etc...)	18:40
+SynQ	ok	18:40
+SynQ	I am for it	18:40
+SynQ	but then you need a 'testing farm' that consists of all those platforms to test WRE?	18:40
+SynQ	or has that allready been accounted for?	18:40
@preaction	we have a system, the old WRE build system, but nobody has or will have time to set it up properly	18:41
+SynQ	ah	18:42
+SynQ	so there is this: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/webgui	18:42
+SynQ	and this: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hu/lucid/webgui	18:42
@preaction	not good enough. they're always too far behind	18:42
+SynQ	ok	18:42
+SynQ	but they are a start	18:43
+SynQ	it's not like starting from ground zero	18:43
@preaction	most likely we'd need to set up our own apt repos for the .deb folk, and a yum repo for the .rpm folk	18:43
+SynQ	agreed	18:43
+SynQ	to complement the existing debian and rpm bases allready available	18:44
@preaction	right. they'd pull from us	18:44
+SynQ	what can be done to do away with mod_perl in the mean time?	18:44
@preaction	nothing. 8 is doing that already	18:45
+SynQ	ah	18:46
+SynQ	is 8 due before or after september 2010?	18:46
Haarg	after	18:46
@preaction	after	18:46
+SynQ	ah	18:46
+SynQ	I'd say we focus on replacing the WRE for WebGUI 8	18:47
+SynQ	not for 7.x	18:47
@preaction	the WRE will have one final release to go with the 7.9 stable release	18:47
+SynQ	if I can find a volonteer to fix that Class::MOP thing on mac	18:47
+SynQ	I will put in the effort to get the current head up to par with mysql versions and such	18:48
+SynQ	so there can be a WRE 0.9.4 before the WUC	18:48
Haarg	the Class::MOP thing is a 64-bit problem of some kind. i should try compiling the wre on this machine.	18:48
+SynQ	which I won't be able to attend this year since I have to be around Tessa at that time to help carry stuff and dry feet and the like	18:49
+SynQ	I say we skip 64 bit compiling of the WRE all together	18:49
Haarg	that's the plan	18:49
+SynQ	if you need 64 bit now, do a source install	18:49
Haarg	but it can still cause problems on mac on a 64-bit machine	18:49
+SynQ	hmm	18:49
Haarg	if i understood correctly, the issue preaction was having was due to doing a 32-bit build on 64-bit os x	18:50
@preaction	yes	18:50
+SynQ	ah	18:50
+SynQ	I believe my macbook pro is also 64 bits os x	18:50
+SynQ	so that could make sense	18:51
@preaction	i completely redid the build script, so i might as well commit that	18:51
+SynQ	since I also didn't get it to compile	18:51
+SynQ	you should	18:51
+SynQ	please	18:51
Haarg	this machine is 32 bit so i should try building it here	18:51
+SynQ	do so right now :)	18:51
@preaction	now it actually listens to CFLAGS, CCFLAGS, LDFLAGS, etc...	18:51
+perlDreamer	what, no SynQ at the WUC?	18:51
+SynQ	Tessa is pregnant again	18:52
+SynQ	due in november	18:52
+SynQ	so at WUC time I have to be at home	18:52
+perlDreamer	You have a wise choice in priorities	18:52
+SynQ	since we allready have Emma and she needs to be carried around and such	18:52
+SynQ	besides, this is a WUC for an intermittent WebGUI version anyway ;)	18:53
+SynQ	next year the WUC will be WebGUI 8 and that I will be able to attend for sure	18:53
+SynQ	and Bart will be coming over	18:53
+perlDreamer	I'll make sure he drinks enough to cover you	18:53
+SynQ	good idea	18:53
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+SynQ	ok	18:54
+SynQ	Haarg: can you try and compile the git head version of the WRE on your 32bit mac after preaction submits his changes?	18:55
+SynQ	please :)	18:55
+SynQ	then I'll have a go at updating all the prereqs over the weekend	18:56
CIA-57	wrebuild: Doug Bell master * r4328973 / (16 files in 5 dirs): completely redone build.sh and updated sources - http://bit.ly/97d43X	18:56
+SynQ	preaction: how up to date are the prereqs now?	18:56
+SynQ	in other words: how long ago did you work on it?	18:56
@preaction	January probably	18:56
+SynQ	ok	18:57
+perlDreamer	missing CHI	18:57
+SynQ	so that probably needs some work	18:57
+perlDreamer	and some others	18:57
+SynQ	if I'm right I have some time this weekend	18:57
+SynQ	perlDreamer: are you available this weekend?	18:58
+perlDreamer	I'll be around this weekend.	18:58
+SynQ	nice :)	18:58
+SynQ	perhaps we can put some joint effort to it	18:58
+SynQ	and release a 0.9.4 before the 4th of july	18:59
+SynQ	or on :)	18:59
+perlDreamer	If I have to log into a server, and the default editor is pico	19:11
+perlDreamer	you're going to be publicly ridiculed	19:12
+perlDreamer	you have all been notified of the consequences	19:12
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+perlDreamer	patspam++ for wgd mail	19:22
+patspam	yeah I like it too!	19:22
+patspam	my fav at the moment is: echo boing \| wgd mail ...@patspam.com	19:24
+patspam	thanks to boxcar that goes boing on my iphone via a push notification	19:24
+perlDreamer	how is a push notification different from SMS?	19:24
+patspam	it works when you have wifi and no mobile coverage	19:25
+perlDreamer	that happens?	19:25
+patspam	yeah	19:25
+patspam	every day at home for me at the moment	19:25
+perlDreamer	no way!	19:25
+patspam	bloody t-mobile reception is non-existent in my building	19:25
+patspam	so now I get my nagios notifications via wifi at home, and via 3g on the road	19:26
+patspam	(and push notifications are free)	19:26
+perlDreamer	that's good, too	19:26
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+patspam	yeah, I mean, it's not like sms is expensive, it's just annoying to have to keep a sms gateway account topped up	19:27
+patspam	and actually	19:27
+patspam	the provider we're using for one of our clusters doesn't make it through the t-mobile network	19:27
+patspam	could never figure out why	19:27
+patspam	I blame the dutch	19:27
+perlDreamer	speaking of dutch, SynQ's not coming to the WUC this year	19:28
+patspam	yeah I know, I've already shed some tears	19:28
+patspam	won't be the same without him	19:29
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+patspam	I'm heading out for lunch - expecting a visit from JT and Jamie later today!	19:30
@preaction	wow, that was fast. they just left here Monday	19:31
+patspam	heh, I'll see what sort of condition they're in after 3 days on the road together..	19:31
@preaction	eh, they'll be fine	19:32
+patspam	I've seen enough american road trip movies to be wary =p	19:32
+patspam	JT will be wearing flares and Jamie will be playing the banjo	19:33
+patspam	or something like that	19:33
+perlDreamer	scrottie: there's still some problem with inbox messsages	19:52
+perlDreamer	try this to replicate it	19:52
+perlDreamer	run t/Shop/Transaction.t	19:52
+perlDreamer	this will leave a message in the inbox, to a group that no longer exists	19:52
+perlDreamer	then, run t/Workflow/Activity/NotifyAboutLowStock.t	19:52
+perlDreamer	one test will fail, because it reports admin as having 2 messages, instead of the one expected	19:52
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r83e9451 / (10 files in 7 dirs): More END block cleanups. - http://bit.ly/c3LApr	19:54
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r908b972 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Add Inbox monitoring to WebGUI::Test - http://bit.ly/bfmbZX	19:54
@scrottie	if the only problem is that the email is still readable after the group goes away (as it should be), then the test is wrong, correct?	19:54
+perlDreamer	no	19:54
@scrottie	also, the tests don't normally run in that order (??) so this doesn't manifest as a test fail unless you run them back to back?	19:55
+perlDreamer	it shouldn't report the group email as belonging to admin	19:55
+perlDreamer	the tests normally run in alphabetical	19:55
@scrottie	being to whatnow?	19:55
+perlDreamer	and t/Shop comes before t/Workflow	19:55
@scrottie	belonging to...	19:57
@scrottie	alright, I have no idea what you're talking about, so I'll read code.	19:57
+perlDreamer	scrottie: it looks like the newly modified SQL is saying that the inbox message belongs to Admin	19:57
+perlDreamer	when it should not	19:57
@scrottie	did this manifest as a test failure that I missed?	19:59
+perlDreamer	no	20:00
+perlDreamer	I changed the test cleanup, which left this inbox message behind	20:00
+perlDreamer	however, the inbox message should not belong to anyone	20:00
+perlDreamer	since it isn't assigned to a userId	20:00
+perlDreamer	and the groupId no longer exists	20:00
@scrottie	right. just trying to get some context. thanks.	20:01
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@scrottie	is(@{ $adminMessages }, 1, '... sent one message to shop admin, via shopSaleNotificationGroupId');	21:02
@scrottie	what I'm seeing here is that it is intentionally sending a mail message to the admin	21:02
@scrottie	and in the database, the userId of the admin (3, apparently) is plugged in there, just as expected.	21:02
@scrottie	and the only reason that the query is picking up on that message is because it is doing AND inbox_messageState.userId = '3'	21:03
@scrottie	other than that email to the admin not being cleaned up between test runs, this seems to be functioning correctly, remarkably enough.	21:03
@scrottie	in other news, OSX's X server doesn't do X Test. wha?	21:03
@scrottie	am I misunderstanding what I'm seeing here?	21:05
+perlDreamer	not sure, scrottie, I'll have another look at it after I finish this support ticket	21:06
@scrottie	cool.	21:06
+perlDreamer	is there any way to duplicate this SQL query, without doing the join?	21:12
+perlDreamer	select Event.assetId, endDate, revisionDate from Event join assetData using (assetId, revisionDate) where endDate < '2010-01-01' and revisionDate = (select max(revisionDate) from assetData where assetData.assetId=Event.assetId);	21:12
@scrottie	why avoid the join? generally, but it probably wouldn't be pretty. also, I'm used to Postgres.	21:13
+perlDreamer	speed	21:14
@scrottie	stuff is indexed? nothing is going to be faster than a straight join. throw a limit on it... that might make it faster too. does in PG	21:14
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CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6d2d950 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix the delete expired events workflow (again). Fixes bug #11619 - http://bit.ly/cONwYq	21:28
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r9f30a6d / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix the delete expired events workflow (again). Fixes bug #11619 - http://bit.ly/9ko4kN	21:29
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@scrottie	perlDreamer, I'm getting ready to close that one ticket but I want to make sure you're cool with the changes and possible fallout first. I can wait as appropriate, of course.	22:07
+perlDreamer	go ahead and close it, we can reopen it if needed	22:07
@scrottie	alright.	22:07
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@khenn	have I reached my bug limit for today yet perlDreamer?	22:34
@khenn	=)	22:34
+perlDreamer	yes	22:34
+perlDreamer	submit it tomorrow	22:34
@khenn	too late	22:38
@khenn	last one for today	22:38
@khenn	(maybe)	22:38
@khenn	still working on Thingy so we'll see	22:39
@scrottie	hmm. I'm not finding a link to mark tickets resolved. anyway, lunch and coffee round two.	22:42
+perlDreamer	scrottie, there's a dropdown in the top right	22:43
+perlDreamer	you may not be setup to resolve them yet, however	22:44
+perlDreamer	khenn, I don't want to fix that bug	22:53
+perlDreamer	that's a bug in how the method is used	22:53
+perlDreamer	getUrl's POD docs says that it appends the gateway to it	22:54
+perlDreamer	and calling the gateway would obviously add the gateway to it	22:55
+perlDreamer	there's no code in the core that does that	22:57
@khenn	there is no reason not to add the check	23:01
+perlDreamer	it's not a bug	23:01
+perlDreamer	someone didn't read the docs	23:01
+perlDreamer	they used WebGUI the wrong way	23:01
@preaction	there is a great reason to not add the check: /gateway/gateway <- perfectly valid URL	23:02
@preaction	we can't save developers from themselves	23:02
@khenn	alright	23:12
@khenn	I'll change the bug to:	23:12
@khenn	every API method in WebGUI that accepts a url should indicate whether or not it requires gateway to be appended	23:12
@khenn	since it's not standard	23:12
@khenn	the pod on those methods says nothing about gateways	23:12
@khenn	so someone reading the API will not know that gateway will be appended to the url	23:13
@khenn	you'd have to actually look at the code	23:13
@khenn	to determine that	23:13
@khenn	so if you are saying that coding in WebGUI requires that you read every line of code of every method you call	23:13
@khenn	then perhaps it's not a bug afterall	23:13
+perlDreamer	which methods are you talking about, khenn?	23:14
@khenn	all the methods in WebGUI::Session::Icon	23:14
@khenn	which accept pageUrl as an optional parameter	23:15
+perlDreamer	fixing the POD in Session::Icon is a fixable bug	23:16
@khenn	preaction: you can absolutely determine if the gateway is there	23:16
@khenn	if the beginning of the url starts with the gateway	23:16
@khenn	then it's there	23:16
@preaction	no you cant. if $asset->get('url') starts with the gateway, it's still not there	23:16
@preaction	hence: /gateway/gateway <- will break your check	23:16
@khenn	I see	23:16
@khenn	well then the fix should be to update the pod on every method that accepts a url in webgui	23:17
@khenn	and indicate whether or not the url passed in should contain the gateway	23:17
@preaction	i never said anyone had to know all of webgui to code for it, or read all of the code for the methods they're using. incorrect documentation is a bug	23:17
@khenn	sure	23:17
@khenn	agreed	23:18
@khenn	would you like me to open a new ticket?	23:18
@preaction	doesn't matter	23:19
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r78e8ea3 / lib/WebGUI/Session/Icon.pm : Document that url's passed to Session/Icon methods will have the gateway URL prepended to that URL. - http://bit.ly/cJL1JK	23:21
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re222b6c / lib/WebGUI/Session/Icon.pm : Document that url's passed to Session/Icon methods will have the gateway URL prepended to that URL. - http://bit.ly/9R3SfN	23:21
+perlDreamer	scrottie, please try to resolve that bug again	23:28
+perlDreamer	it should be set up now	23:29
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7ef9c6e / t/Config.t : END block cleanups. - http://bit.ly/andcnu	23:33
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r29ca0f2 / t/Inbox/Groups.t : Remove uncontrolled diagnostics, and done_testing. - http://bit.ly/cyq6q2	23:33
CIA-57	webgui: kimd master * rcb82394 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Gallery.pm : Added search by location to the Gallery (RFE 11504) - http://bit.ly/aeuuXe	23:33
CIA-57	webgui: kimd master * rfa04d01 / (7 files in 6 dirs):	23:33
CIA-57	webgui: o Allow return from photo edit view to gallery edit view (RFE 11571)	23:33
CIA-57	webgui: o Reject form submissions without image selected for upload in edit view of Photo asset - http://bit.ly/bi5Ych	23:33
@preaction	sigh. rebase before merge. rebase before merge. rebase before merge. rebase before merge...	23:34
+perlDreamer	I hear autorebase can be setup	23:34
@preaction	it is. a pull does a rebase. i just didn't pull (i fetched kimd's repo and merged)	23:36
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@scrottie	o/~ don't you want me BABY... o/~	00:16
@scrottie	they play the worst music in Goodwill.	00:16
@scrottie	seriously, the stuff on the racks for sale is better than what they play.	00:16
@scrottie	w00t, thanks perlDreamer. resolved.	00:17
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Haarg	perlDreamer, if i commit that temp config file for testing thing, should i back-port it to 7.x?	01:22
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, I'd love to have that in master and 7.8	02:49
+perlDreamer	although, I haven't pulled all the END block cleanups back into 7.8, either	02:49
Haarg	ok, i'll try to work on that. although i guess it will have to be done differently in 7.8 due to differences in config file paths	02:51
+perlDreamer	let's skip 7.8 then	02:52
+perlDreamer	time is growing short	02:52
Haarg	well, 7.8/9 is the same story	02:52
+perlDreamer	oh, in that case, skip it all	02:52
Haarg	the main reason i was thinking to do it is it would probably make merging go smoother	02:53
Haarg	i was trying to work on stuff to get rid of pseudorequest but got distracted by that other stuff i changed	02:56
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+perlDreamer	scrottie: all tests issues fixed!	03:25
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r1fa0d30 / lib/WebGUI/Session/Icon.pm : Fix a whitespace POD issue. - http://bit.ly/am6kuC	03:25
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * rd2f48eb / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix cleanup of Inbox messages for users. Provide a method for cleaning up Admin's messages. - http://bit.ly/d23de9	03:25
+perlDreamer	patspam, I'm ready to check footers, but am lacking something that can talk port 25	03:25
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8edcab3 / lib/WebGUI/Session/Icon.pm : Fix a whitespace POD issue. - http://bit.ly/adQb3Z	03:26
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5372158 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix cleanup of Inbox messages for users. Provide a method for cleaning up Admin's messages. - http://bit.ly/b48EBp	03:26
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@scrottie	hmm? _all_ test issues fixed?	04:09
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+perlDreamer	scrottie, _all_ as in "all tests on master branch"	04:30
@scrottie	cool.	04:30
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CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r0578a55 / t/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.t : Freshen the archive from db to fix all tests. - http://bit.ly/aO2XqV	04:47
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r705f0d4 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset.t): Setup keywords as a string, not an array ref. Add tests for that. - http://bit.ly/dfvzx7	04:58
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+perlDreamer	hm, Moose adds lots of weirdo code, according to the debugger	05:27
+perlDreamer	it would appear that there's a problem with requestAutocommit ?	05:32
+perlDreamer	the debugger is awesome!	05:37
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CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * ra9bf59f / t/Asset/Wobject/StoryTopic.t : Pull fresh copies of the Topic from the db. - http://bit.ly/a8y2yq	17:43
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Haarg	perlDreamer, just pushed a bunch of backported test stuff to master	18:12
+perlDreamer	Haarg, have you ever tried this:	18:12
CIA-57	webgui: Graham Knop master * r0ddd109 / lib/WebGUI/Group.pm : reset groups for all assets in database instead of those listed in config file (+7 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/c1AXbp	18:12
+perlDreamer	diag $session->id->toHex('PBnav00000000000000008');	18:12
+perlDreamer	diag $session->id->toHex('PBnav00000000000000001');	18:12
+perlDreamer	and looked at the output?	18:12
Haarg	heh	18:12
Haarg	no	18:12
+perlDreamer	you should	18:12
+perlDreamer	it's very enlightening	18:12
Haarg	the tests generally seem to work ok, but a number of them are failing in ways that i wouldn't expect to be related	18:13
+perlDreamer	it would appear that only the first 20 characters are significant in calculating the hexId	18:14
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+perlDreamer	dang, I think it's a bug in MIME::Base64	18:20
+perlDreamer	the spec says that up to 2 = are allowed	18:20
+perlDreamer	but if we pad with 2 ='s, and run through 22-character assetIds that differ in the last two characters, the binary decoded strings are the same	18:20
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Haarg	perlDreamer, i'm not sure it's a bug	18:42
+perlDreamer	why not, Haarg?	18:43
+perlDreamer	it's already caused clashing CSS id's in rendered pages	18:43
Haarg	we are giving it data that isn't quite a valid base64	18:44
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Haarg	PBnav00000000000000008 is not really a valid guid	18:44
+perlDreamer	it's not?	18:44
Haarg	it could never be created by our guid generator	18:44
Haarg	too many bits	18:44
+perlDreamer	s/never/not likely to be/	18:44
Haarg	no	18:45
Haarg	never	18:45
Haarg	md5 is 128 bits	18:45
Haarg	22 character base64 is 132 bits	18:45
Haarg	PBnav00000000000000008 has too much precision to be a valid md5	18:46
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+perlDreamer	how 'bout this	18:49
+perlDreamer	there is a bug	18:50
+perlDreamer	it's either in WebGUI, in how we use base64 and hex encoding	18:50
+perlDreamer	or there's a bug in MIME::Base64, in how it's decoding random junk we throw at it	18:50
+perlDreamer	or there's a bug in allowing developers to manually pick GUIDs	18:51
Haarg	the last one i would say yes	18:51
Haarg	but there are other fixes	18:52
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@scrottie	god I hate Linux.	18:58
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Haarg	ok, so yeah i guess i'm wrong about there being other fixes	18:58
Haarg	PBnav00000000000000008 cannot be represented as a 32 character hex code	18:59
+perlDreamer	nope	18:59
+perlDreamer	you're right, the bug is allowing devs to pick assetIds	19:00
+perlDreamer	since they can't pick storageIds, it should be okay	19:00
Haarg	yeah	19:00
+perlDreamer	but I'm still stuck with a way to make unique CSS Ids out of invalid data	19:00
Haarg	well, we can adjust the code to output longer ids	19:00
+perlDreamer	Since everything after an = is ignored, how about adding a 0 to the end of the assetId, in order to give it enough bits?	19:02
Haarg	i'm working on something like that	19:03
Haarg	http://gist.github.com/433214	19:06
+perlDreamer	the problem with that is that we'd have to go and rename every storage location, right?	19:07
@tavisto	based on an email I just received, I think Experian is using wG for it's intranet. (In South Africa)	19:07
Haarg	no	19:07
Haarg	it gives the same ids as before	19:07
Haarg	for normal guids	19:07
Haarg	actually it is buggy and doesn't but that's the idea	19:08
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+perlDreamer	why does it strip trailing 0's?	19:12
+perlDreamer	0 is a valid hex char	19:13
Haarg	it was meant to strip then re-add them	19:13
Haarg	but it's busted in a number of ways	19:13
* perlDreamer is off to the gym		19:15
+perlDreamer	I'm sure that bit alignments and padding will follow	19:15
Haarg	http://gist.github.com/433229	19:18
Haarg	the ending zero was getting stripped off by the old code	19:19
Haarg	that code should generate the same ids for anything generated by the guid generator	19:20
Haarg	and 33 character hex strings for things like PBnav00000000000000008	19:20
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Haarg	that last patch was also a bit goofy. the thing i committed is better.	19:33
CIA-57	webgui: Graham Knop master * r596420c / lib/WebGUI/Session/Id.pm : generate better hex ids for manually created badly formed guids - http://bit.ly/aWYtcF	19:34
* Haarg is tempted to commit http://gist.github.com/433267		19:37
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, normally i advise against succumbing to temptation, but in this case, I'd encourage you to give in	20:24
+perlDreamer	also, Haarg, temporary config files don't seem to work with my setup: http://gist.github.com/433326	20:31
Haarg	oh fun	20:31
+perlDreamer	that's a lot of ../	20:31
Haarg	how are you running them?	20:33
+perlDreamer	env WEBGUI_TEST_DEBUG=1 perl Session/Id.t	20:33
+perlDreamer	same result from running it from /data/WebGUI	20:41
CIA-57	webgui: Graham Knop master * ra2cb075 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : fix temp config file for tests - http://bit.ly/bvOo9W	20:43
Haarg	i don't really know how it was working at all previously, but that should fix it	20:43
+perlDreamer	Cannot read config file: /tmp/mywebgui-11_M.conf at /usr/share/perl5/Config/JSON.pm line 47	20:45
Haarg	can you check what the filename it is trying to copy from is?	20:46
Haarg	in WebGUI::Test->file ?	20:47
+perlDreamer	http://gist.github.com/433349	20:48
Haarg	oh	20:49
Haarg	yeah, that was dumb	20:49
+perlDreamer	dude, you're stepping on my toes	20:49
+perlDreamer	You're supposed to do brilliant things	20:49
+perlDreamer	I'm supposed to go around making dumb mistakes	20:49
+perlDreamer	like deleting Cron jobs that have communication errors	20:49
Haarg	try this http://gist.github.com/433351	20:50
+perlDreamer	that works	20:52
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@scrottie	alright. okay. alright.	20:52
+perlDreamer	do you want to commit that, Haarg, or would you like me to?	20:59
Haarg	you can	21:00
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb74d211 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Temporary config file fix. - http://bit.ly/doBoUl	21:02
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+perlDreamer	preaction, Haarg, patspam: I don't see any reason why a PSGI merge isn't doable now	22:14
+perlDreamer	I'm cleaning thing in each asset.	22:14
+patspam	hey perlDreamer	22:14
+perlDreamer	All the major systems are working, especially Session	22:14
+patspam	it doesn't pass all the tests though	22:15
+perlDreamer	no	22:15
+perlDreamer	but that's due to issues in an Asset	22:15
+perlDreamer	rather than Asset.t	22:15
+perlDreamer	FormBuilder isn't passing, but preaction doesn't expect it to	22:15
+patspam	oh - even though the psgi branch fails some tests that pass in the WebGUI8 branch?	22:15
+perlDreamer	as long as there is parity between the failures, I still think y'all could merge	22:16
+perlDreamer	do you want me to paste some recent results for comparison?	22:16
+patspam	what do you mean by parity?	22:17
+patspam	like, at the moment, psgi fails on stuff that wg8 passes on.. that's not parity right?	22:17
+perlDreamer	cmp_deeply (failures_from_psgi, failures_from_WebGUI8, 'no mismatch in failures');	22:17
+perlDreamer	no, that's not parity	22:17
+patspam	yeah, we're not there yet	22:17
+perlDreamer	what's failing?	22:18
+patspam	well, last week a whole lot of stuff	22:18
@scrottie	haha	22:18
+patspam	but then i did a quick hack around pseudorequest, and about a third started passing	22:18
+patspam	actually i didn't bother running the whole suite, just the A's and B's.. =p	22:19
+perlDreamer	oh....	22:19
+patspam	enough to know that we're not there yet	22:19
+perlDreamer	well, let me put it this way then :)	22:19
+perlDreamer	WebGUI8 is ready for you	22:19
+patspam	hehe	22:19
+patspam	but are YOU ready for webgui8?	22:19
+patspam	that should be the tagline	22:19
+perlDreamer	I'd better be, I'm talking about it at the WUC!	22:19
+patspam	wheee!	22:19
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+perlDreamer	and frodwith is talking about Moose in the morning, so everyone will be primed and ready for the WebGUI specific stuff	22:20
+patspam	I really want to get it merged, because I know that will accelerate things, just gotta get over this hump	22:20
+patspam	not sure if you backlogged the other day when I was talking to Haarg about pseudorequest	22:20
+perlDreamer	I usually backlog, but I may have been out	22:21
+perlDreamer	I'll check the logs	22:21
+patspam	on the one hand, we're throwing it away because we can create a real psgi request object	22:21
+patspam	but on the other hand, it's a gold mine for the work that's left to be done	22:21
+patspam	because you essentially did the hard work of mapping all the Apache2:: methods	22:21
+patspam	we just need to steal from that as we're ripping out WebGUI::Session::Http	22:22
+patspam	mapping wG core direct to WebGUI::Session::Request/Response	22:22
+patspam	(which is a thin wrapper around Plack::Request/Response)	22:22
+patspam	so perlDreamer++ to you!	22:22
+perlDreamer	wrapper, or sub-class?	22:22
+patspam	slapper	22:22
+patspam	they're designed to be subclassed	22:23
+patspam	it has the miyagawa gold stamp of awesomeness on it	22:23
+perlDreamer	cool, we've been bitten by too many wrappers around everything	22:23
+perlDreamer	on the one hand, they insulate you from low-level API changes	22:23
+perlDreamer	but on the other hand, you're reimplementing all these methods	22:24
+perlDreamer	the most infamous of which is DBI	22:24
+patspam	yeah, I reckon in this case the less we "improve" the API the better	22:24
+perlDreamer	totally	22:24
+perlDreamer	hey, if I fly into Chicago and drive to Madison, would you want to ride share there?	22:24
+patspam	hence getting rid of WebGUI::Session::Http	22:24
+perlDreamer	or do you prefer to fly into Madcity?	22:24
+patspam	hey that'd be cool!	22:24
+patspam	Andy will be with me too	22:25
+perlDreamer	Andy's coming to New York?	22:25
+patspam	yep!	22:25
+patspam	for the weekend	22:25
+perlDreamer	when do y'all plan to fly out?	22:25
+patspam	Monday was the plan	22:25
+patspam	but we haven't booked yet	22:25
* perlDreamer will look into flight arrival times into Chicago for Monday		22:26
+patspam	sweet	22:26
+perlDreamer	I think it will be much cheaper to fly into Chicago and drive, rather than into Madison	22:26
+patspam	let's rendezvous in Chicago and drive over to msn	22:26
+patspam	and more fun!	22:26
+perlDreamer	yes	22:26
+patspam	I'll be staying on in madison afterwards for the weekend though	22:26
+patspam	Helen is coming out on the Friday	22:27
+patspam	(last day of the wuc)	22:27
+perlDreamer	We're still trying to firm up plans. I don't know if Kathy is going to make it out this year	22:27
+patspam	Andy is flying back to Aus from MSN, although maybe it'd be cheaper for him to fly back from Chicago	22:27
+patspam	so maybe he'd be up for a return road trip to chicago on Saturday	22:28
+patspam	probably depends on flight times though	22:28
+perlDreamer	yeah	22:28
+perlDreamer	email me some info, and I'll see what we can work out	22:29
+patspam	cool	22:29
+patspam	the other thing with WebGUI::Test	22:29
+patspam	I want to completely replace getPage	22:29
+patspam	with Plack::Test::test_psgi	22:30
+perlDreamer	i don't think that would be a problem	22:30
+perlDreamer	getPage predates our usage of WWW::Mech	22:30
+patspam	yeah, Plack Test achieves the same thing, but via a callback API (http://advent.plackperl.org/2009/12/day-13-use-placktest-to-test-your-application.html)	22:30
+patspam	that way we can use the PLACK_TEST_IMPL env variable to run those tests under any plack server we like	22:31
+patspam	and by using the callback API, we can support streaming responses etc..	22:32
+patspam	and finally, doing it with HTTP::Request/Response objects feels nice and clean too	22:32
* patspam goes back to writing a $work spec doc		22:33
+perlDreamer	got a little plack-happy there, dude	22:33
+patspam	hehe	22:33
+patspam	doesn't take much	22:33
+patspam	oh actually, was going to ask	22:35
+patspam	is there anything in WebGUI that let's you hide an asset via Group membership?	22:36
+patspam	as in, exclusive	22:36
+patspam	without creating another group?	22:36
+perlDreamer	I'm not sure that I follow	22:37
plainhao	whitelist?	22:37
+patspam	yeah it's kinda strange	22:37
+perlDreamer	you can set the ownerUserId	22:37
+patspam	e.g. bob and mary are both in group x, and there are a whole lot of assets with whoCanView set to x	22:37
+patspam	jane comes along, also in group x - but there's one little asset that she's not supposed to see	22:38
+patspam	can I do it without creating group y that bob and mary both belong to?	22:38
+patspam	(jane is in group z)	22:38
+perlDreamer	there's no blacklisting	22:38
+patspam	(z and x)	22:38
+patspam	I was thinking about creating an assetProxy variant that did it	22:38
+perlDreamer	but, by good group structure, you can get the same thing	22:38
plainhao	blacklisting can get out of hand, no?	22:39
+patspam	yeah, I'd just really like to avoid creating group y	22:39
+perlDreamer	jane is in z, have x be a subgroup of z	22:39
+perlDreamer	but that won't work for the reverse case	22:39
+patspam	the thing is there's a whole lot of complex machinery already build around groups x and z	22:39
+patspam	I really don't want to have to mess with it just to hide this one little asset	22:40
+patspam	it's non-critical enough that I'm tempted to just create a macro that uses JS to hide it..	22:40
+perlDreamer	hang on	22:40
+perlDreamer	in that one little asset	22:40
+perlDreamer	make jane the owner of the asset	22:41
+perlDreamer	that will give her viewing and editing privileges	22:41
+patspam	jane's the one who's not supposed to see it	22:41
+perlDreamer	argh	22:41
+perlDreamer	what's wrong with jane?	22:41
+perlDreamer	isn't this gender discrimination?	22:41
+patspam	hehe	22:42
plainhao	what if tarzan gets added to x? you want the same exclusion?	22:42
+patspam	she's in a randomised control trial group	22:42
+patspam	yep, there's lots of janes	22:42
+patspam	maybe I should use an AssetProxy-like macro with custom code that shows it to bob and mary but not jane	22:43
+patspam	I wonder how well Survey works through AssetProxy	22:43
+perlDreamer	only for 1 click	22:43
+patspam	dang	22:44
+perlDreamer	after that, you lose focus on the AssetProxy, and go to the Survey	22:44
+perlDreamer	are bob and jane also members of some other group, already?	22:44
+patspam	yes	22:45
+patspam	x	22:45
+perlDreamer	in addition to x	22:45
+perlDreamer	like Turn Admin On, Passive Analytics users	22:45
+perlDreamer	Friends Managers?	22:45
+patspam	Registered Users?	22:45
+perlDreamer	but so is Jane	22:45
+perlDreamer	jane*	22:45
+patspam	jane-prime?	22:46
+patspam	er, star?	22:46
+perlDreamer	all janes	22:46
+patspam	ask again	22:46
+patspam	I'm confused	22:46
+perlDreamer	sorry, I confused bob and mary	22:46
+patspam	ah I suspected as much	22:47
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* perlDreamer should have some lunch		22:47
+patspam	heh	22:47
+patspam	I think I'll just hack it with JS	22:47
+patspam	shame that Macros can't scream out STOP! and force the containing asset to not render	22:48
+patspam	(on the server)	22:48
+perlDreamer	die?	22:49
+patspam	yikes maybe.. does that work?	22:50
+perlDreamer	it won't render, that's for sure	22:50
+perlDreamer	but not in a user friendly way	22:50
* patspam runs off to try		22:50
+patspam	oh that's ok, I just want it to disappear	22:50
+patspam	damn, it's caught	22:55
+patspam	Unable to process macro 'Die': Died at ...	22:56
+patspam	ah well, javascript it is	22:58
@scrottie	Zork solved this one.	23:11
@scrottie	nothing just happens... a pass is made telling each object about each other object (verb->direct object, direct object->indirect object, etc) giving them a chance to protest; each object is invoked against each other object to update their internal states; then another round is made for them to give status updates on the result.	23:12
@scrottie	I think I've become irrationally fanatical about Zork's implementation, though.	23:13
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rb964897 / t/Asset/Wobject/StoryTopic.t : StoryTopic test doesn't due, but has test failures in it. - http://bit.ly/aBsY3W	23:13
+perlDreamer	23 failing tests, and counting	23:13
+perlDreamer	22 failing tests	23:14
@scrottie	the sky is failing! the sky is failing!	23:27
+perlDreamer	soon, we'll be out of failing tests!	23:27
+perlDreamer	what will we do then?	23:27
@scrottie	hmm. I have some ideas.	23:35
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@scrottie	can someone tell me about all of this Class::C3 usage? I'm seeing a lot of stuff using it, the man page saying not to use it, and most cases not even doing multiple inheritance.	00:15
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+perlDreamer	what man page saying not to use it?	00:18
+perlDreamer	perhaps you shouldn't use it in 5.12, since C3 is a default MRO	00:19
@scrottie	the perldoc for Class::C3 version 0.22 says not to use it.	00:23
@scrottie	" NOTE: YOU SHOULD NOT USE THIS MODULE DIRECTLY - The feature provided is integrated into perl version >= 5.9.5, and you should use MRO::Compat instead,	00:23
@scrottie	which will use the core implementation in newer perls, but fallback to using this implementation on older perls.	00:23
@scrottie	"	00:23
@scrottie	apparently, you shouldn't use it in 5.10 either.	00:23
+perlDreamer	yeah, WebGUI hails from 5.8 days	00:24
+perlDreamer	and there are still users who use 5.8	00:24
@scrottie	that's okay. I was just curious what considerations there were (if there was a good reason it was being used despite warnings or what the overall goal was) before considering ripping it out.	00:24
@scrottie	running some comparative tests right now.	00:24
+perlDreamer	it's out in WebGUI8	00:24
@scrottie	wait, it is?	00:24
+perlDreamer	yes	00:24
+perlDreamer	if you're seeing it, it's a bug	00:24
+perlDreamer	shouldn't be in there	00:25
@scrottie	a bug or botched git usage... git tells me I'm on branch WebGUI8	00:25
@scrottie	but ack is showing me a screenfull of hits	00:25
+perlDreamer	in a file called JSONCollateral	00:25
+perlDreamer	and in every file inside AssetHelpers/*.pm	00:26
@scrottie	I'm trying to look at this t/Asset/JSONCollateral.t thing but I'm slowly realizing that it's going to take me a considerable amount of time to get my Moose-fu up to the point where I can muddle around in this stuff	00:26
@scrottie	yup.	00:26
+perlDreamer	we should consider making JSONCollateral a Moose type for WebGUI	00:26
@scrottie	yeah.	00:27
@scrottie	I'm fumbling my way down that road ;)	00:27
+perlDreamer	or maybe a separate object, that is delegated	00:27
@scrottie	figures that's what you meant when you suggested I look into the thing.	00:27
+perlDreamer	but that's preaction's call at this point	00:27
@scrottie	figured.	00:27
@scrottie	first test was blowing up with other stuff trying to call ->meta on that class (the definition stuff) so I didn't really see any other options.	00:28
@scrottie	I guess the definition stuff could do $package->can('meta') and make all of that stuff conditional. bah.	00:28
+perlDreamer	no, JSONCollateral needs to be updated to work with Moose	00:33
+perlDreamer	definitely	00:33
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@scrottie	I should be helping with Plack, not with Moose =P	00:34
+perlDreamer	scrottie, you must learn the ways of Moose.	00:34
+perlDreamer	You are older than most padawans, but we'll take you on for training anyway	00:35
@scrottie	bleah. waste of training. I'm old, tired, and crotchety.	00:35
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@scrottie	I like the OO that was hacked onto Forth way better than the OO shoehorned onto Perl.	00:39
+perlDreamer	forth?	00:41
+perlDreamer	forth?	00:41
+perlDreamer	Forth is for heffalumps and woozles	00:41
@scrottie	actually... I should do an Acme:: module that, if you try to B::Deparse::coderef2text something that's XS, not Perl, it should invoke objdump and spit out the x86 assembly.	00:44
@scrottie	then of course something that'll let you build CVs from x86 assembly.	00:44
@scrottie	just for a little of that Forth flavor. then we can dump all of the primitives and library stuff into one big file and declare Perl to have been written in itself.	00:44
@scrottie	hrm, first I'd have to write Inline::x86.	00:45
CIA-57	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r88e7144 / t/Workflow/Activity/ArchiveOldStories.t : Update the test for Moose status stickiness. - http://bit.ly/aL3JTm	01:14
+perlDreamer	I think that takes us down to 21 tests	01:14
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+perlDreamer	akeane, channel rules are simple	01:21
+perlDreamer	if you have a question, please feel free to ask	01:21
xdanger	http://freshmeat.net/ - Most Vital Projects - 2. WebGUI 59.74%	01:31
+perlDreamer	"Vital" -- cool!	01:31
+perlDreamer	hm, vitality on freshmeat is a measure of how often you make announcements	01:35
+perlDreamer	still, it's nice that people know we do work regularaly	01:39
@scrottie	what the heck is "collateral data" anyway?	01:42
+perlDreamer	It's like a data backpack	01:42
+perlDreamer	for example, in the DataForm, collateral data is the set of fields and tabs that make up a form, and the data a user enters.	01:43
+perlDreamer	I guess, in general, it's data stored outside the asset specific tables	01:43
+perlDreamer	About two years ago, we decided to start storing JSON data in the database	01:43
* scrottie listens		01:44
+perlDreamer	it was a quick and relatively easy way to get collateral data to be revisioned	01:44
+perlDreamer	to be exported and imported during packages	01:44
+perlDreamer	however, it makes it nigh on impossible to manipulate it using SQL	01:44
@scrottie	hrm.	01:45
+perlDreamer	$scrottie->translate('hrm')->expand_clarify	01:47
@scrottie	no thoughts other than "that's vaguely interesting" and I don't have any more questions at the moment.	01:50
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Haarg	perlDreamer, would you like me to backport those test changes i just made to 7.8?	02:13
+perlDreamer	sure	02:14
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CIA-60	webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r6f10297 / (20 files in 11 dirs): use temp config file for testing (+5 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/cnNuYA	02:59
xdanger	http://mentalhouse.net/irc/logs/webgui/latest.log.html <-- little bit easier to read, and you can bookmark the latest directly	03:04
+perlDreamer	thanks, xdanger	03:04
xdanger	should I break the log for each day?	03:04
+perlDreamer	nah	03:05
xdanger	ok, your the boss ;)	03:05
+perlDreamer	those logs have really helped us out several times	03:05
* perlDreamer steps out to make dinner		03:05
xdanger	I try to read the backlog every now and then, but I don't like to read long backlogs in my client. I hope that this html conversion will benefit me also =)	03:14
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--- Log opened Fri Jun 11 04:27:22 2010
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+perlDreamer	preaction, I'm pleased to report we're in the home stretch for WebGUI8 tests	05:11
@preaction	yay!	05:11
+perlDreamer	today we broke 20 failing tests	05:11
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rf3769d6 / t/Macro/UsersOnline.t :	05:11
CIA-60	webgui: Fix the UsersOnline test.	05:11
CIA-60	webgui: Interesting failure. Calling new on the assetId caused the template to fail. I think this is due to priming the cache with	05:11
CIA-60	webgui: the asset data as an Asset, instead of as a Template. - http://bit.ly/bqNuH4	05:11
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * ref32e85 / lib/WebGUI/Macro/UsersOnline.pm : Exception handling for the Template in UsersOnline macro. - http://bit.ly/dd0rqw	05:11
@preaction	then master merge! then PSGI!	05:11
@preaction	maybe i'll have time to finish the getEditForm and Admin Console changes and then RELEASE!	05:12
+perlDreamer	patspam says PSGI isn't ready to merge yet	05:12
+perlDreamer	more failing tests than WebGUI8 branch	05:12
@preaction	but aren't they supposed to fail? isn't that why we're merging? so we can all fix them?	05:13
* perlDreamer thought you said not to merge until all tests are passing		05:13
@preaction	all WebGUI8 tests	05:13
@preaction	that way we have a stable baseline to merge against	05:14
+perlDreamer	well, we're still 18 tests away from that	05:14
@preaction	and any tests that break are PSGI's fault	05:14
+perlDreamer	Haarg: much testing brokenness in WebGUI8	05:19
+perlDreamer	Plack::Test?	05:20
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+perlDreamer	oh, very convenient	05:20
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rd439f32 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : No Plack, yet... - http://bit.ly/b9L815	05:21
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, I think a Plack line may have crept into WebGUI::Test a little prematurely	05:22
Haarg	yeah, possibly	05:22
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r073623b / t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/Test.t : change to surveyJSON accessor. => getSurveyJSON. This should probably be completely reworked to use some kind of object delegation. - http://bit.ly/9rgZpH	05:26
+perlDreamer	16 tests away	05:28
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rfc3bda3 / t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/Reports.t : Remove SKIP for use_ok, and fix surveyJSON accessor. - http://bit.ly/dgcRV4	05:28
+perlDreamer	maybe less, since I think the Survey tests cause the expireSurvey test to fail	05:29
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r4dc9cba / t/Asset/Story.t : Fix storageId cleanup, had a syntax error in perl 5.10.1 - http://bit.ly/bUoMBk	05:52
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Haarg	i caught that one in master/webgui-7.8 but forgot to do it in WebGUI8	05:53
+perlDreamer	any others, by chance?	05:53
+perlDreamer	like StoryArchive?	05:53
Haarg	nothing comes to mind	05:54
+perlDreamer	would you mind giving it a run, in WebGUI8?	05:54
+perlDreamer	Cannot read config file: /data/webgui/etc/mywebgui-6T7K.conf at /usr/share/perl5/Config/JSON.pm line 47	05:54
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Haarg	ack	05:54
Haarg	i thought i had pushed the fix for that	05:55
+perlDreamer	I'm up to date	05:55
Haarg	can you stick some diag in sub file to see what paths it is using?	05:57
+perlDreamer	getting the same thing from AssetAspect/RssFeed.t	05:57
+perlDreamer	yeah, I can do that	05:57
+perlDreamer	great, now it's passing	06:00
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* perlDreamer will run the test a bunch of times		06:00
+perlDreamer	maybe it only fails in the suite...	06:02
+perlDreamer	which doesn't bode well	06:02
Haarg	the error you posted is weird because it shouldn't be sticking the temp config file in /etc/	06:03
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Haarg	how are you running he suite?	06:03
+perlDreamer	prove -rm --verbose . > ../proven8	06:22
+perlDreamer	also, all my code is pushed	06:29
+perlDreamer	with the exception of the warn statements	06:29
+perlDreamer	I'll run the suite again	06:30
Haarg	what output are you getting from your debug stuff?	06:44
+perlDreamer	still running	06:45
+perlDreamer	the output from the standalone tests had the temp config file in /tmp	06:45
+perlDreamer	Haarg: http://gist.github.com/434018	06:49
+perlDreamer	at the start of the test, it's fine	06:49
+perlDreamer	but down the line, it wants to stick it into etc	06:49
Haarg	does it always do that when you run that test?	06:50
+perlDreamer	if I run it standalone, it works fine	06:50
+perlDreamer	if I run it in the suite, then I get the bug	06:51
Haarg	what if you do PERL5OPT=-MDevel::SimpleTrace prove ...	06:52
+perlDreamer	I'll do that next	06:53
+perlDreamer	but I think it may be in copying or duplicating sessions	06:53
+perlDreamer	the export code open a new Session by Session->open($session->config);	06:54
+perlDreamer	that passes the object through to the constructor	06:54
+perlDreamer	... madly installing perl modules	07:06
+perlDreamer	stupid package based perl install	07:06
Haarg	perlDreamer, i'm seeing a bunch of test failures looking like # Compared $data->{"url"} # got : '_test-ems' # expect : 'test-ems'	07:12
Haarg	do you know anything about that?	07:13
+perlDreamer	I haven't seen anything like that	07:13
Haarg	hrm	07:13
+perlDreamer	I was down to only 16 test failures before I pulled the latest testing updates	07:13
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Haarg	looks like it was something in my config	07:23
+perlDreamer	what do you set in the config to change Asset URLs?	07:27
+perlDreamer	gatewayUrl?	07:27
Haarg	gateway	07:28
Haarg	but that wasn't it	07:28
Haarg	i'm running the test suite here as well	07:30
+perlDreamer	I'm still trying to rebuild my system	07:31
Haarg	rebuild?	07:31
+perlDreamer	when I switched to Ubuntu, I installed the webgui package	07:33
+perlDreamer	apparently, I deleted it	07:34
+perlDreamer	and it took every dependency out with it	07:34
+perlDreamer	I'm almost back up with all required modules	07:34
+perlDreamer	but I'll guess I'll find out...	07:34
Haarg	ah fun	07:34
Haarg	i'd probably end up just compiling my own perl. don't have much choice on os x.	07:34
+perlDreamer	maybe the perl community has shot themselves in the foot by not paying more attention the OS distributors	07:39
Haarg	i don't know about that. there's been a bunch of work on cpan metadata to help with distributors	07:39
Haarg	of course, the @INC order was only corrected recently unfortunately	07:40
+perlDreamer	yeah	07:40
Haarg	but with that and stuff local::lib, i think they've done as much as possible to help packagers, and made other solutions for where that isn't enough	07:41
Haarg	http://gist.github.com/434054	07:41
+perlDreamer	it's supposed to work both ways?	07:42
Haarg	yes	07:42
+perlDreamer	I mean, open checks for that	07:42
Haarg	yes	07:42
Haarg	well, it's supposed to	07:42
+perlDreamer	:)	07:42
+perlDreamer	sounds like we need more tests	07:42
Haarg	silly me not checking that	07:42
Haarg	yes, it does	07:43
Haarg	couldn't remember if that was something i had only gotten into psgi	07:43
Haarg	and if you wanted to pass it a filename, the correct thing to use would be pathToFile	07:43
+perlDreamer	it won't work with the temporary filenames	07:44
+perlDreamer	WebGUI::Config takes them and makes them relate to configBase	07:44
+perlDreamer	which means temporary files would have to be in etc	07:44
Haarg	well, in 8 with WebGUI::Paths, i made it so you can pass in an absolute path	07:44
+perlDreamer	but this is 8 that we're working on	07:44
+perlDreamer	mysql won't start, I'm going to try a reboot	07:45
+perlDreamer	back in 10	07:45
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Haarg	welcome back	07:49
+perlDreamer	yay, mysql isn't borked anymore	07:49
+perlDreamer	I see the code in Config.pm that checks for absolute paths	07:52
+perlDreamer	which can only mean that the config path isn't absolute.	07:52
Haarg	yeah, that code is fine	07:52
Haarg	(although i just changed it)	07:52
CIA-60	webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * rb1b1a3c / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Gallery.pm : force scalar context in some needed places - http://bit.ly/bHbm4T	07:52
CIA-60	webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r870d3e5 / lib/WebGUI/Operation/Settings.pm : add require for needed module - http://bit.ly/9XUeIn	07:52
CIA-60	webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r24c8e0d / lib/WebGUI/Group.pm : reset groups for asset classes listed in database instead of in config file - http://bit.ly/b2sUsj	07:52
CIA-60	webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * rdfa1a3d / (lib/WebGUI/Config.pm lib/WebGUI/Session.pm): temporary config file fix - http://bit.ly/d9rtcH	07:52
Haarg	it's just that it is trying to use just the file name to duplicate the session	07:53
Haarg	which won't work	07:53
Haarg	i'll fix that same issue in 7.x too	07:53
Haarg	although i'm not sure how	07:53
+perlDreamer	but the filename is absolute, it should pass	07:54
+perlDreamer	unless it's getting stripped somewhere	07:54
Haarg	just the base file name	07:54
Haarg	getFilename just gives you the file's base name with no path	07:54
Haarg	pathToFile gives you the full thing	07:54
Haarg	the problem should be fixed now though for WebGUI8 at least	07:55
Haarg	http://gist.github.com/434066 can you do a quick look at this for anything that doesn't look right?	07:57
+perlDreamer	why is it behaving differently standalone versus in the suite?	07:58
Haarg	i have no idea	07:58
Haarg	i get the same failure if i just run StoryArchive.t on its own	07:59
Haarg	without the fix	07:59
+perlDreamer	it looks like the patch removes all the unmocks	08:00
Haarg	for the most part they aren't needed	08:00
Haarg	they are automatically unmocked when the object is destroyed	08:01
+perlDreamer	so when we run this with Test::Aggregate it will DTRT	08:01
Haarg	it should	08:01
Haarg	i'll stick some docs in the new package for stuff	08:01
+perlDreamer	I'm starting to want a Test::Most::WebGUI module	08:03
+perlDreamer	the patch looks okay	08:03
Haarg	and the tests it modifies do pass	08:04
+perlDreamer	that's good proof :)	08:04
* perlDreamer needs to head to bed		08:04
+perlDreamer	to recap	08:04
+perlDreamer	we should be back in the testing groove	08:05
+perlDreamer	we need tests for Session->open, with objects, and with filenames	08:05
Haarg	a good idea	08:05
Haarg	i'll fix that issue with temp configs in 7.x	08:05
+perlDreamer	pending on support board work, I'll write the tests	08:05
+perlDreamer	and for sure will get in a full test suite run for a double check	08:06
Haarg	and i'll add docs for the new test modules	08:06
+perlDreamer	thanks for staying up and working on this stuff with me	08:06
CIA-60	webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r49be762 / (11 files in 7 dirs): mock asset test package - http://bit.ly/alcoxY	08:06
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SDuensin	Crikies. Is it Monday again?!	16:48
+bartjol	SDuensin: for you, sure if you want	16:57
SDuensin	Not really.	16:59
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+perlDreamer	Haarg++ for MockAsset test packages	17:41
+perlDreamer	off to drop kids off at school, back in 20	17:46
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+perlDreamer	hey, MrHairgrease!	17:58
+MrHairgrease	howdy!	17:58
+perlDreamer	how's things back east	17:58
+MrHairgrease	in need of weekend =)	17:58
+MrHairgrease	luckily that'll be in about half an hour	17:58
+MrHairgrease	and how's life in the west?	17:59
+MrHairgrease	wild?	17:59
+perlDreamer	wet	18:00
+MrHairgrease	i see	18:00
+perlDreamer	wildness starts in 1.5 weeks	18:00
+MrHairgrease	the weather is kinda shabby overhere as well	18:00
+MrHairgrease	what'll happen in 1.5 weeks?	18:00
+perlDreamer	the kids get out of school and invade the peaceful sanctity of perlDreamer Consulting	18:00
+MrHairgrease	oi	18:01
+MrHairgrease	seems like you have a bad case of...	18:01
+MrHairgrease	The Children	18:01
+MrHairgrease	=)	18:01
+MrHairgrease	By then I'll be at Rory's wedding	18:01
+MrHairgrease	all the way in France	18:01
+perlDreamer	is his wife from France?	18:01
+MrHairgrease	togetehr with Oqapi's, Procolix' and JT and Sarah are also supposed to come	18:02
+MrHairgrease	no his wife is also from Voorburg	18:02
+perlDreamer	sounds like a party!	18:02
+MrHairgrease	but they figured if they get married, why not do it in some place everybody has to drive 9 hours for =)	18:02
+MrHairgrease	I guess it will be	18:02
+MrHairgrease	and after that I'll be camping with Marijn for a week	18:02
+MrHairgrease	to unhaste	18:03
+MrHairgrease	We can loan the company car, which is a Smart car.	18:03
+MrHairgrease	Hopefully the tent and a bag will fit =)	18:04
+perlDreamer	hopefully you and Marijn fit :)	18:06
+MrHairgrease	we can always put Marijn on the roof =)	18:09
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+perlDreamer	she's streamlined, it'll go with the whole Smart car theme	18:10
+MrHairgrease	I'll pass on the compliment	18:11
+bartjol	martin's deer is calling procolix	18:13
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+perlDreamer	morning, preaction	18:35
+perlDreamer	If you have a Red Hat 5-like system with its mysql package installed, will you nuke the system with yum remove mysql?	18:42
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+perlDreamer	mmmm, mapping ,r => wgd reset is a good move	18:52
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+perlDreamer	~~ morning, patspam	19:14
+perlDreamer	Haarg, almost back to normal	19:20
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r33640e6 / t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t : Fix a storage clean-up. - http://bit.ly/dyc5RC	19:20
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r4a8b88d / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : Ubuntu does not install Package::Stash with other dependencies. Added it to testEnvironment.pl - http://bit.ly/aRGfca	19:20
+perlDreamer	having problems with group clean-ups, but I'll track them down	19:20
Haarg	http://gist.github.com/434705 thoughts? for master. sub name is wrong but i couldn't think of a good name.	19:22
+perlDreamer	there's no "sub name" in that patch	19:23
+perlDreamer	just openForSite	19:23
Haarg	yes	19:23
Haarg	openForSite is a bad name	19:23
+perlDreamer	oh, I see	19:23
+perlDreamer	how about reopen?	19:25
+perlDreamer	and why pull it out of sub duplicate?	19:25
Haarg	was checking the code base for places making new sessions. a bunch of them need new session ids.	19:26
+perlDreamer	but, if you need a new sessionId, why not just use open?	19:26
Haarg	because then you have to figure out the config file path to give it	19:27
Haarg	which is not entirely obvious and currently wrong in most places	19:27
+perlDreamer	yeah	19:28
+perlDreamer	how do you feel about "overloading" it?	19:28
+perlDreamer	if called as a class method, make a new one	19:29
+perlDreamer	if called as an object method, then make a new session with the same config, but new sessionId?	19:29
Haarg	might be reasonable	19:30
+perlDreamer	everything else I think of, like "reopen", "duplicate", "clone", "replicate" sounds like making exactly the same as I have now	19:32
+perlDreamer	and what we want is almost the same as now	19:32
@khenn	perlDreamer: isn't there a script somewhere for converting templates from H::T to T::T ?	19:55
+perlDreamer	frodwith has such a beast	19:55
+perlDreamer	I have a copy of it, but he may have something more recent	19:55
+perlDreamer	I'll email it to you	19:55
@frodwith	i -do- have something more recent	19:56
@frodwith	http://github.com/frodwith/html-template-templatetoolkit	19:56
@frodwith	it works better	19:56
@frodwith	since it's an actual parser, instead of a really really naive set of regexs	19:56
@khenn	cool	19:57
@khenn	I'm doing a lot of this lately and it's starting to annoy	19:57
@frodwith	yeah, it gets old quickly.	19:58
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@scrottie	I'm looking at doing some of those pesky business day-only errands and then parking at a coffee shop for a while. Besides needing to do errands, I need to get out of the house.	20:18
+perlDreamer	Haarg, I think that's the last test from our upgrading/updating last night	20:22
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r509b833 / lib/WebGUI/Group.pm : quickArray returns 1 row, buildArray returns all rows - http://bit.ly/9FXr3o	20:22
+perlDreamer	if this passes, I'll start writing those Session tests	20:22
+perlDreamer	working with a database redefines code coverage	20:28
+perlDreamer	it's almost as bad as working with regular expressions	20:28
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@scrottie	hrm, a mocked DBI::mysql that just returned abuse would be interesting.	20:38
@scrottie	er, DBD	20:40
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CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2c1e2b9 / lib/WebGUI/Group.pm : quickArray returns 1 row, buildArray returns all rows - http://bit.ly/bOOGFS	20:48
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r5ca2583 / lib/WebGUI/Group.pm : quickArray returns 1 row, buildArray returns all rows - http://bit.ly/9LqbxZ	20:53
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+perlDreamer	SynQ: you still on for WRE work tomorrow?	21:04
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, the changes to resetGroupFields are bumping up against my infamous JSONCollateral	21:22
+perlDreamer	JSONCollateral needs to now both be something that works with Class::C3 for FilePump/Bundle (which uses CRUD) and the Calendar, which uses Moose	21:23
+perlDreamer	and needs a Role	21:24
+perlDreamer	rewriting FilePump::Bundle to use Moose and Definition is an option	21:25
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+perlDreamer	Haarg: http://gist.github.com/434882	21:48
+perlDreamer	should that be db->dbh, or s/do/write/; ?	21:48
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r4b730ac / lib/WebGUI/Role/Asset/Comments.pm : Use the right fieldtype for JSON fields in the db. - http://bit.ly/bOnoaa	21:54
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rb8fc033 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Calendar.pm : Update the icalFeeds field to use JSON fields correctly. - http://bit.ly/aQSezC	21:54
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r9b071c1 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Update the JSON collateral test. Duplicate JSONCollateral into a Role so it can be used with Assets. - http://bit.ly/a2m4sz	21:54
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rc373341 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : do is for database handles, write is for WebGUI::SQL. - http://bit.ly/chds6p	21:54
@scrottie	I had a pretty good hunch you'd knock that one down before I figured it out.	21:54
+perlDreamer	it was necessity	21:55
@scrottie	yup.	21:55
+perlDreamer	but surprisingly easier for Assets than I thought	21:55
@scrottie	when you know what you're doing ;)	21:55
+perlDreamer	however, now we have two JSON Collateral modules	21:55
+perlDreamer	and that's not good	21:55
@scrottie	duplicate in APIs sounds unavoidable. duplication in code can be minimized. dunno.	21:55
@scrottie	duplication	21:55
@scrottie	looks like I have some WebGUI7 features for Monday so I'm thinking I might just work on my badly neglected YAPC stuff and then flop over to that Monday.	21:56
+perlDreamer	what kind of features?	21:57
@scrottie	http://gist.github.com/434897	21:58
+perlDreamer	that'll be easy	21:58
+perlDreamer	and good work to start learning the API	21:59
+perlDreamer	the most common beginner mistakes:	21:59
+perlDreamer	1) Didn't write an upgrade subroutine to add the field to the database	21:59
+perlDreamer	2) Didn't i18n the label and hover help	21:59
@scrottie	hey, frodwith, I fired up the Skype Linux beta and the thing is freaking out. It won't stop giving me notifications that it's your birthday. Previous Linux Skypes just crash and take out Linux a lot. Is this a bug or a feature?	21:59
@frodwith	but it's not my birthday	21:59
@frodwith	till tomorrow	22:00
@scrottie	well, I've dismissed about 20 notifications now.	22:00
+perlDreamer	frodwith's birthday is important	22:00
@scrottie	so hurry the hell up and have your birthday.	22:00
+perlDreamer	Skype doesn't want you to forget to get him a present	22:00
@frodwith	I have made scrottie's day more annoying. Success!	22:00
+perlDreamer	and it's giving you 12 hours notice	22:00
@scrottie	haha	22:00
@scrottie	I guess the Mac Skype just hits ftd.com with your credit card number for you and then tells you about it after the fact.	22:01
@scrottie	perlDreamer: noted. thanks. I'll invent some new newbie mistakes.	22:01
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+perlDreamer	14 tests to go	22:09
+perlDreamer	preaction, to get to 0, some POD needs to be written for FormBuilder stuff	22:10
+perlDreamer	and the FormBuilder packages have to pass, too	22:10
@preaction	just ignore them for now, they're not being used by anything yet, and they are being tested/documented in my local copy	22:10
+perlDreamer	okay, sounds good	22:10
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r91d94ab / t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ExpressionEngine.t : Update this test for the changes to the Survey. - http://bit.ly/bQduq5	22:16
+perlDreamer	12 tests	22:17
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rbb78682 / t/Workflow/Activity/ExpireIncompleteSurveyResponses.t : Update this test for the method name change, surveyJSON -> getSurveyJSON - http://bit.ly/9SMmWW	22:17
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+perlDreamer	JavaScript::Minifier::XS throws an exception in WebGUI8, but works fine in master and 7.8	22:57
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CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * ra766179 / (etc/WebGUI.conf.original var/upgrades/upgrade_7.9.3-8.0.0.pl): Add maintenancePage to the config file. - http://bit.ly/aqpWXE	23:07
+perlDreamer	wgd edit's not working in 8, either	23:11
Haarg	perlDreamer, re: http://gist.github.com/434882	23:26
Haarg	should be $db->write( $sql, \@params );	23:26
Haarg	for 7.x	23:26
* perlDreamer is a good guesser today		23:29
+perlDreamer	what about 8.x?	23:30
Haarg	do as it is should be correct	23:30
+perlDreamer	it wasn't working that way in 8	23:31
+perlDreamer	maybe it was a partial merge/commit ?	23:31
Haarg	akc	23:31
Haarg	ack	23:31
Haarg	psgi	23:31
+perlDreamer	wrong branch?	23:32
Haarg	->do( would work in psgi	23:32
Haarg	i really need to work on that so it can be merged and i can stop making dumb mistakes like that	23:32
Haarg	::SQL is psgi is a DBI subclass	23:33
+perlDreamer	we are only 5 tests away from being mergable	23:33
+perlDreamer	Asset/Wobject/Survey.t	23:34
+perlDreamer	FilePump/Bundle.t	23:34
+perlDreamer	Asset/EMSSubmissionForm.t	23:34
+perlDreamer	Asset/Asset_diagnose.t	23:34
+perlDreamer	./Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo/view.t	23:35
+perlDreamer	I'm working on the EMSSubmissionForm test now	23:35
+perlDreamer	POD.t, FormBuilder.t, FormBuilder/Tab.t we're supposed to ignore	23:36
+perlDreamer	i18n/template.t needs a new package, which I can't make yet	23:36
+perlDreamer	but that's just to fix an i18n label	23:39
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@khenn	preaction++	00:01
@khenn	just because I love WebGUI::AssetAspect::Installable	00:02
+perlDreamer	EMSSubmissionForm can't be fixed until we have in-memory assets	00:06
+perlDreamer	EMSSubmission, and EMSSubmissionForm both need fully active assets, so they can call $self->getFormProperties on them	00:08
+perlDreamer	and the www_editSubmission{,Form} methods can be called as class constructors, so they may not have a $self to work on	00:08
+perlDreamer	maybe we need another, parallel method in meta for doing things like that	00:09
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+perlDreamer	because they don't need the actual values, aside from defaults	00:09
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CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rbe4ea78 / t/FilePump/Bundle.t : Fetch fresh assets, test fails due to seg fault from JavaScript::Minifier::XS - http://bit.ly/dg2fn4	01:44
+perlDreamer	ugly, ugly, ugly	01:45
* perlDreamer is out for a while. Later guys		01:45
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scrottie	eek	03:09
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CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r1e55078 / t/Asset/Asset_diagnose.t : Update this test for WebGUI::Definition; - http://bit.ly/cqu55A	04:43
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+perlDreamer	scrottie: you un-eeked	04:43
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@scrottie	wifi reception here is poor.	04:51
@scrottie	perlDreamer, shouldn't you be out jetskiing? or rock climbing?	04:52
@scrottie	hot air ballooning?	04:52
+perlDreamer	I think you're thinking of kimd	04:52
* perlDreamer is just an old fuddy duddy dad		04:52
@scrottie	I wonder if the "old" part is true.	04:52
* perlDreamer is old		04:53
+perlDreamer	even in hexadecimal	04:53
@scrottie	still dubious. still think you should be parasailing.	04:54
@scrottie	or at least drinking microbrew.	04:54
+perlDreamer	how does lemon tea with honey strike you?	04:54
@scrottie	nothing against it.	04:54
@scrottie	fly kites.	04:55
@scrottie	do they have water parks in Portland?	04:55
+perlDreamer	not really	04:55
+perlDreamer	North Clackamas Water Park is the closest thing we have to do that	04:56
+perlDreamer	you have to build indoor water parks, since it rains in !July	04:56
@scrottie	gtg. just told that I myself am being antisocial.	04:57
@scrottie	lasertag.	04:57
@scrottie	everyone loves lasertag.	04:57
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+perlDreamer	yes, Survey.t is working!	05:10
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r7df0cc5 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t): Always get a fresh copy of the survey after doing revision control. - http://bit.ly/cdJbL3	05:12
+perlDreamer	Haarg, you'll never believe it!	05:33
+perlDreamer	Asset_diagnose showed something useful.	05:33
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+perlDreamer	Merge - 1 Test and counting	05:45
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r416c373 / t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t : Fix cleaning up some files. Asset->new is not to be used unless you know what you're doing. - http://bit.ly/dwl4i1	05:46
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+perlDreamer	last test run	06:03
+perlDreamer	that's it	06:18
+perlDreamer	we're as stable as we can get	06:18
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rdcdd671 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the pending flag, get a fresh copy of the photo asset under test. - http://bit.ly/akyj90	06:19
+perlDreamer	that's it folks	06:24
+perlDreamer	last fixable test core test	06:24
+perlDreamer	time to merge in the PSGI branch	06:24
+perlDreamer	got all the modules installed	06:49
+perlDreamer	time to pack it in for tonight	06:49
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CIA-60	webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r169218a / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : fix mistake in WebGUI::Test - http://bit.ly/aDPUGq	07:06
CIA-60	webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * re063818 / (5 files in 5 dirs): some URL fixes and removing some uses of PseudoRequest - http://bit.ly/aqml4f	07:06
CIA-60	webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r89d4f46 / (94 files in 30 dirs): Merge branch 'psgi' into WebGUI8 - http://bit.ly/9xXnmU	07:06
CIA-60	webgui: Graham Knop psgi * r169218a / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : fix mistake in WebGUI::Test - http://bit.ly/aDPUGq	07:06
CIA-60	webgui: Graham Knop psgi * re063818 / (5 files in 5 dirs): some URL fixes and removing some uses of PseudoRequest - http://bit.ly/aqml4f	07:06
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CIA-60	webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r650918e / (5 files in 2 dirs): remove left over upgrades - http://bit.ly/cNa13Q	07:39
CIA-60	webgui: Graham Knop yui-cdn * rf2de5fa / (38 files in 12 dirs): start of YUI from CDN - http://bit.ly/auor39	07:41
CIA-60	webgui: Graham Knop upgrades * rea5471a / lib/WebGUI/Upgrade/File/wgpkg.pm : fix wgpkg upgrade class (+599 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/9EsYs8	07:42
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CIA-60	webgui: Graham Knop no-utility * r95431a9 / (101 files in 29 dirs): remove WebGUI::Utility (+599 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/d1wceA	08:11
@preaction	Haarg: is that yui2 or yui3? if all goes according to plan, frodwith will be migrating us to yui 2in3	09:42
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Haarg	that's 2	09:54
Haarg	the method i created in it is called yui2	09:55
Haarg	it's something i did a while back, i was just rebasing my branches	09:55
Haarg	oh yes i should keep talking to myself	09:55
CIA-60	webgui: Graham Knop intercept-logger-callback * r2617f41 / (t/Workflow/Instance.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): use callback for log interception instead of on/off - http://bit.ly/d3XV4o	13:37
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+perlDreamer	SynQ: Saturday morning checkin	18:33
+perlDreamer	breakfast time, bbiab	18:37
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* perlDreamer is back!		19:14
+perlDreamer	let's merge	19:14
+perlDreamer	let's work on the WRE	19:14
+perlDreamer	ANYTHING TO KEEP ME FROM DOING YARD WORK	19:14
SDuensin	perlDreamer!	20:28
SDuensin	I got one for you... Woke up today to a zero-byte wre.conf.	20:28
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+perlDreamer	zero-byte wre.conf....	21:29
+perlDreamer	which version of the WRE are you using, SDuensin, SDuensin1?	21:29
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SDuensin1	Sorry. Went to eat.	23:59
SDuensin1	I thought I had 0.9.3 but the config file says 0.9.2.	23:59