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| elnino | how do you setup the amount a vendor gets in the payout? | 00:01 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r83f0cb7 / t/Storage.t : diag -> note (+5 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/bM7LV4 | 00:06 |
| elnino | how do I add a new release to my bazzar item? I'll I see when I edit it, is "this release" and it has the first versions information prefilled. | 00:11 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r91fcedd / www/extras/admin/admin.js : all admin plugins have the same response options - http://bit.ly/bgzamc | 00:11 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r2f949cf / share/upgrades/7.9.12-8.0.0/admin_console.wgpkg : admin console style should not define a title - http://bit.ly/cXldNh | 00:11 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r945d78c / (www/extras/admin/admin.css www/extras/admin/admin.js): add openTab function for admin plugins - http://bit.ly/9h9aun | 00:11 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * ra18463a / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : add helpers in the config file - http://bit.ly/cnmPNm | 00:11 |
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| elnino | I get it. | 00:31 |
| elnino | still don't know how to setup vendor payout though. | 00:31 |
| @preaction | you have to create a new workflow i think. uses the Vendor Payout activity and configured with your paypal information | 00:45 |
| @preaction | iirc right now we only support vendor payouts via paypal | 00:45 |
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| SynQ | good | 01:46 |
| SynQ | all the cardboard work is done :) | 01:46 |
| SynQ | now all I have to do is clean out the attic for the painters to have free room tomorrow :P | 01:47 |
| SynQ | and it's only a quarter to one | 01:47 |
| SynQ | can someone bring me back two BigIron 4000's from the states? | 01:49 |
| SynQ | in their handluggage? | 01:49 |
| SynQ | oh four is ok too :P | 01:50 |
| SynQ | they are only 4U high each so it should fit | 01:50 |
| SynQ | http://tiny.cc/jkwbt | 01:51 |
| SynQ | that one is only 100 usd | 01:51 |
| SynQ | WA must be close to WI ;) | 01:51 |
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| SynQ | good | 02:37 |
| SynQ | time 4 bed | 02:38 |
| SynQ | nite | 02:38 |
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| elnino | preaction, so it does it automatically? cool. | 03:40 |
| elnino | I was just looking to do a report of some sort. | 03:41 |
| elnino | hm I don't see an activity. | 03:42 |
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| elnino | good morning! people who do templates - have you run into htc files? What are they and why do they break everything? | 16:22 |
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| patspam | haaaaaack | 17:19 |
| elnino | good morning patspam.. are you referring to my question? or something you're doing. =) | 17:20 |
| patspam | morning elnino! | 17:20 |
| patspam | that was WUC hackathon parlance for "goodmorning" | 17:20 |
| elnino | are you in the us? | 17:20 |
| patspam | yeah! | 17:20 |
| elnino | oh. Is that now? | 17:20 |
| patspam | yep yep, you still have time to get here :) | 17:20 |
| elnino | oh. I wanted to. I have two children now... someone has to watch them... | 17:21 |
| patspam | I supposed that's a valid excuse :) | 17:21 |
| elnino | I was kinda wondering why it was so quite here.... Say hi to everyone that I know/knows me. =) and ask perlDreamer, if he ever got that flash file thing to work on that one site. | 17:22 |
| elnino | s/quite/quiet | 17:24 |
| @preaction | elnino: htc files are hacky ways for IE to add scripted behaviors to CSS | 17:25 |
| patspam | long answer from colin: apparently no he didn't get it working | 17:27 |
| @preaction | 1 RFEs have been closed in the last 24 hrs <- BAM! | 17:33 |
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| elnino | preaction - they are nothing but TROUBLE. I converted a design, and it would not work untill I got rid of the reference to htc file. I do not like them sam I am. | 17:52 |
| @preaction | yeah, unfortunately sometimes they're the only way to get IE to listen to something. though, personally, if you have to hack the design like that, the design should change | 17:52 |
| +perlDreamer | ... or IE should change :) | 17:55 |
| @preaction | mountain vs. raindrop. we're winning, but egads how long this battle | 17:56 |
| elnino | funny 404 error message. it made me laugh "We've got the guys with pocket protectors working to upgrade your web experience as we speak. We apologize for the inconvenience. Please try back later. Or, feel free to check out some of our most popular pages." | 18:03 |
| * perlDreamer puts "pocket protector" on his shopping list | 18:10 | |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Paul Driver webgui-7.9 * r7a526b6 / www/extras/shop/cart.js : should actually fix the bug when we note it in the changelog - http://bit.ly/chdRi4 | 18:19 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Paul Driver master * re8dfffe / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt www/extras/shop/cart.js): should actually fix the bug when we note it in the changelog - http://bit.ly/aDjm4n | 18:22 |
| scrottie0 | good morning... | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | yo, scrottie0 | 18:28 |
| scrottie0 | where is the hack-a-thon and is there coffee? | 18:28 |
| scrottie0 | sorry I'm late. I had to blow dry my computer. | 18:28 |
| scrottie0 | the harddrive is still being blowdried. | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | the hackathon is where the conference will be tomorrow | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | and there is coffee | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | and pastries | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | and muffins | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | and soda | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | and water | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | and bits | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | and electrons | 18:29 |
| scrottie0 | I'll ask at the front desk for the conference area. | 18:30 |
| +perlDreamer | it's either the 2nd floor, or the mezzanine level | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | first floor above the lobby | 18:32 |
| scrottie0 | ah. okay. | 18:32 |
| SynQ | is bart awake yet? | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Bart who? | 18:37 |
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| patspam | SynQ: we drank some spotted cows for you last night | 18:48 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb8d7466 / (5 files in 5 dirs): Add a link in the Admin Console to the Addons section of webgui.org - http://bit.ly/auU2GN | 19:00 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * rd826721 / (26 files in 2 dirs): move upgrade scripts for new version - http://bit.ly/cj2LGC | 19:21 |
| patspam | preaction: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10659 | 19:29 |
| elnino | patspam - excellent! | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam, preaction, sample introspection code is Group.pm, resetGroupFields | 19:30 |
| patspam | it's all coming back to me *shudder* | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I can't believe I'm going to say this | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | it's probably best to copy and paste that method to change it for templates | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | for two reasons | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | we don't have a top level class to hold the definition introspection stuff | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | and all the rest is hard-coded | 19:31 |
| @preaction | it's very close, but not exactly what templates need, and they will diverge as time goes on. no use trying to make it overly complicated for code reuse's sake | 19:32 |
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| elnino | is there a way to regenerate an images thumbnail? I need to resize them all in a gallery | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, sounds like a utility script | 19:54 |
| elnino | k | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | so I'd look in sbin to see if there's something in there | 19:55 |
| elnino | I see marketplace was renamed. Kinda freaked me out not seeing "marketplace" but I like the new menu better. | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | there's also a new Admin Console icon to take you there | 19:58 |
| elnino | ah. that's what that cia-21 thing was. | 19:58 |
| elnino | excellent idea. | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, CIA-21 shows git commits to the WebGUI repo | 19:59 |
| elnino | yep. I just didn't know what "plug-ins" was until now. =) | 19:59 |
| elnino | s/plug-ins/addons | 19:59 |
| elnino | looky there, thumbnailer.pl | 20:02 |
| elnino | ack. wiki changed! | 20:08 |
| +perlmonkey2 | did the dbms change in 8 or still with mysql? | 20:12 |
| patspam | so far mysql | 20:14 |
| elnino | I don't get the new wiki. =( | 20:14 |
| patspam | still trying to get doug drunk enough that I can convince him to switch to postgres | 20:15 |
| patspam | SynQ: just got WebGUI running under Mongrel2 | 20:15 |
| patspam | but only via a proxy so far, which is kinda cheating | 20:15 |
| +perlmonkey2 | too bad 8 cant be dbms agnostic. | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam, this channel is logged | 20:16 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: JT Smith WebGUI8 * r5723af9 / (etc/WebGUI.conf.original lib/WebGUI/Content/FacebookAuth.pm): updated facebook auth to work with new facebook change/brokeness - http://bit.ly/c5adkj | 20:17 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: JT Smith WebGUI8 * r83c2629 / (49 files in 14 dirs): Merge branch 'WebGUI8' of github.com:plainblack/webgui into WebGUI8 - http://bit.ly/buhrAx | 20:17 |
| scrottie0 | postgres++ | 20:19 |
| @frodwith | scrottie0++ # ++ing postgres | 20:19 |
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| CIA-21 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r99619c8 / (lib/WGDev.pm lib/WGDev/Command.pm lib/WGDev/Command/Base.pm): update version to 0.8.0 (+8 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/9XcHZv | 20:43 |
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| scrottie0 | http://slowass.net/~scott/tmp/gim.png | 21:18 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5765739 / (4 files in 3 dirs): Labels in the Cart for addresses are optional. They take the first line of the address if left blank. Tested w and w/o JS. - http://bit.ly/9uz9hE | 22:24 |
| +perlDreamer | it's awfully quiet out there | 22:32 |
| @preaction | echo! | 22:32 |
| * scrottie0 nods at perlDreamer | 22:34 | |
| +BartJol | I do have some music | 22:35 |
| scrottie0 | oh noes, not again! | 22:35 |
| elnino | helloooooo! | 22:38 |
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| +BartJol | what, did I put on music before in your presence scrottie0? | 22:40 |
| scrottie0 | oh noes was re: the pub. | 22:41 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Paul Driver master * rc89da43 / (5 files in 3 dirs): variable downgrading - http://bit.ly/bZGYJf | 22:44 |
| * SynQ goes wow for patspam | 22:46 | |
| @frodwith | hmm! http://blogs.perl.org/users/leon_timmermans/2010/08/yet-another-readonly-module.html | 22:56 |
| @frodwith | I know we don't end up using Readonly a lot, but this looks nice. | 22:56 |
| @preaction | what's the debian policy on .swf files? they're compiled bytecode. we don't have the mxml, as, or fla file it came from (referring to ukplayer) | 23:03 |
| Haarg | that new readonly module looks cool | 23:03 |
| Haarg | Readonly.pm always seemed pointless to me | 23:03 |
| Haarg | too many problems but very little advantage to using it | 23:04 |
| @preaction | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=592593 <- prior art. docuwiki had the fla even, but fla cannot be built with free software | 23:04 |
| scrottie0 | no strict 'subs'; no strict refs; use strict subs; | 23:07 |
| scrottie0 | my $fn = __FILE__; my @string = eval `grep $fn -e '^use WebGUI' -e '^use Plack' | sed -e 's!use !"!' -e 's!;!",!'`; # earlier today... | 23:10 |
| * SynQ knows that a webgui site is going to be used in China very soon | 23:12 | |
| @preaction | sweet | 23:12 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * ra95ef16 / (345 files in 55 dirs): remove use of FindBin in tests - http://bit.ly/cSDfw0 | 23:12 |
| SynQ | http://www.winket.nl | 23:12 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * red3ac1c / lib/WebGUI/Upgrade.pm : update upgrade docs - http://bit.ly/dg7KP9 | 23:12 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * rc59fc0f / (lib/WebGUI/Account.pm lib/WebGUI/BestPractices.pm): add WebGUI::BestPractices - http://bit.ly/bVSGid | 23:12 |
| SynQ | currently in Dutch only | 23:12 |
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| SynQ | can someone tap on BartJol's shoulder perhaps and point him to his irc window? :) | 23:13 |
| +perlDreamer | bartjol is afk right now, SynQ. | 23:14 |
| SynQ | what time is it now? | 23:14 |
| SynQ | 15:15? | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | 15:15 CDT, yes | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, he's back | 23:15 |
| SynQ | ah good :) | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | run for the hills, BartJol | 23:16 |
| +BartJol | too late :) | 23:16 |
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| @preaction | does anyone know why we build our own "Ask About Using Rich Editor" and don't use TinyMCE's built-in one? | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | TinyMCE's is broken | 23:50 |
| @preaction | how so? | 23:51 |
| @preaction | didn't do as advertised? was it a bug in tinymce? was it fixed? | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | IIRC, doesn't work correctly in some browser | 23:51 |
| * perlDreamer recommends checking the revision logs and git blame | 23:51 | |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7d6089d / (2 files in 2 dirs): Change the addon URL on webgui.org - http://bit.ly/abaxjv | 00:22 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r55e6284 / sbin/classLoadTest.pl : add classLoadTest.pl - http://bit.ly/aP1Oc2 | 06:23 |
| elnino | anyone heard of this? http://www.uniformserver.com/ | 06:31 |
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| elnino_ | anyone seen this before: http://www.ohloh.net/p/WebGUI/analyses/latest | 07:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | good morning everyone | 16:51 |
| +perlDreamer | welcome to the live IRC-cast of the WUC 2010 opening plenary | 16:51 |
| +perlDreamer | the session won't begin for about 10 minutes, so you have time to get some coffee | 16:52 |
| @preaction | IT BEGINS! MUAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA | 17:02 |
| scrottie0 | good morning, perlDreamer. | 17:04 |
| +perlDreamer | you're up early, scrottie0 | 17:04 |
| +perlDreamer | The winner of the Contributor of the Year award goes to Patrick Donelan! | 17:05 |
| +perlDreamer | congrats, patspam | 17:05 |
| @preaction | WOOOOOOO | 17:05 |
| scrottie0 | perlDreamer, now and then I get up at 4:30am to go do crazy adventure stuff. | 17:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Contributor of the Year award goes to United Knowledge | 17:05 |
| scrottie0 | w00t | 17:06 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI 8... | 17:07 |
| +perlDreamer | The big goal is performance | 17:07 |
| scrottie0 | elnino_, re: http://www.ohloh.net/p/WebGUI/analyses/latest, neato! | 17:07 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI 8 is 700% faster than WebGUI 7 | 17:08 |
| +perlDreamer | some of the improvements were backported in 7.8 and 7.9 | 17:08 |
| @preaction | Frank is 4%! Frank is 4%! | 17:08 |
| +perlDreamer | the lion's share of 8's improvements comes from Plack/Starman | 17:08 |
| +perlDreamer | after that, it's Moose, new UI (kudos preaction!) better caching and faster groups | 17:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | "the new UI is so fast that it feels like a native desktop application" | 17:11 |
| scrottie0 | Starman is the new default webserver. | 17:11 |
| scrottie0 | No exceptions! I mean, more exceptions! | 17:16 |
| scrottie0 | ugh. nothing is completely tested. | 17:17 |
| +perlDreamer | the new Admin Console UI is beautiful | 17:23 |
| +perlDreamer | it optimizes space | 17:23 |
| +perlDreamer | and is AJAXified, so it runs really fast | 17:23 |
| +perlDreamer | your current version tag is at the top of the screen, along with controls for publishing (committing) or leaving the tag | 17:25 |
| +perlDreamer | the Admin Bar (which is now integrated into the Console fully) is also AJAXy | 17:25 |
| +perlDreamer | the new Debug console rocks | 17:26 |
| +perlDreamer | this is run through Plack Middleware | 17:26 |
| @frodwith | everyone++. I haven't been keeping up with webgui 8 development, you all have added some ridiculously cool things. | 17:30 |
| +perlDreamer | we can't wait for you to come and play with 8, frodwith | 17:31 |
| @preaction | Haarg++ patspam++ vanguard of WebGUI 8 development! | 17:31 |
| patspam | plus perlDreamer++ and preaction++! | 17:32 |
| +perlDreamer | webgui 8 will simplify content approval | 17:32 |
| @frodwith | hopefully by this time next year, we can get all our users upgraded to 8 so we can take advantage of all this awesomeness ^_- | 17:32 |
| +perlDreamer | it has a simplified grammar | 17:32 |
| +perlDreamer | commit = publish | 17:32 |
| +perlDreamer | instead of having screens for different asset tag states (committed, pending), it's all unified into a color coded display | 17:34 |
| +perlDreamer | that is sortable | 17:34 |
| @preaction | frodwith: we will likely spend all of next year making documentation and utilities to make it as easy as possible to migrate custom stuff to 8 | 17:34 |
| @preaction | 8 is far more extensible, less copy/paste, fewer hacks, etc... | 17:35 |
| +perlDreamer | you can view and edit the pending content (or older content) right from the content manager screen | 17:35 |
| +perlDreamer | content approval is also inlined into the edit screen, if you have permissions to publish content | 17:36 |
| @preaction | and if a template isn't automatically upgraded, it means we screwed up and have a bug to fix | 17:37 |
| scrottie0 | perlDreamer, what the heck is tavis on about? | 17:38 |
| +perlDreamer | not sure what you mean, scrottie0 | 17:38 |
| scrottie0 | _AND_ _UPDATE_. | 17:41 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 17:42 |
| +perlDreamer | tavis is on about 3 feet behind you | 17:42 |
| @preaction | it's still our burden as well. actually i'll probably start spending a few hours a week updating the things | 17:42 |
| +perlDreamer | all of the WebGUI books are being converted to a wiki | 17:43 |
| +perlDreamer | and being released to the community | 17:43 |
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| scrottie0 | Pluggable admin panes inherit from WebGUI::Admin::Plugin. | 18:04 |
| scrottie0 | It's bug free and it can do pretty much anything. | 18:06 |
| scrottie0 | * Some quotes might be out of context. | 18:06 |
| scrottie0 | Admin items let you write small apps without having to create a full asset, define database tables, etc. | 18:10 |
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| scrottie0 | Doug went a little bit crazy. | 18:20 |
| Haarg | went? | 18:20 |
| +BartJol | too obvious Haarg | 18:21 |
| scrottie0 | "I went a little bit crazy." - Doug. | 18:21 |
| scrottie0 | we are watching WebGUI8 copy the import node to the clipboard. | 18:22 |
| scrottie0 | we are watching a copy operation. | 18:22 |
| scrottie0 | it has a progress bar. | 18:22 |
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| scrottie0 | Joeri doesn't like Javascript or Objective C. Hateful hater and his hatey hate. | 19:04 |
| @preaction | ObjC is hateful | 19:05 |
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| @preaction | JS not as much, it's the "we have 30 implementations that don't talk to each other" hatefulness | 19:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | BartJol: ning is interested in international content and stuff. She could use a talk from the expert if you have time. | 19:23 |
| +BartJol | sure | 19:23 |
| +BartJol | but that was last year | 19:24 |
| +BartJol | I do have the presentation with me though | 19:24 |
| @preaction | we need internationalized assets. soon. | 19:24 |
| +BartJol | that would be great | 19:25 |
| +BartJol | I only know the german thingy implementation | 19:25 |
| @preaction | i've had ideas of how we could do it for a looong time, but it's very disruptive to how assets work | 19:25 |
| +BartJol | so WG 9? | 19:25 |
| +BartJol | or earlier? | 19:25 |
| @preaction | not API-breakingly disruptive, but custom code would need updates to use it properly | 19:25 |
| @preaction | so it's possible during the 8.x cycle, but 8.x development is going to be fairly different from 7.x development (and it's not something i've been able to fully flesh out in my head) | 19:26 |
| +BartJol | what is the general idea? | 19:26 |
| +BartJol | in 1 line? | 19:26 |
| @preaction | certain asset properties are marked "translatable", then an interface to add translations for all translatable content | 19:27 |
| @preaction | then a method to get the translations right before the vars are passed to the template | 19:27 |
| @preaction | so not so horrible, but potentially evil | 19:27 |
| +BartJol | could it be dependant on the "language" scrach variable? | 19:28 |
| +BartJol | not sure you want that actually | 19:28 |
| +BartJol | that would also constantly update the WebGUI interface language | 19:28 |
| @preaction | the "Default" being shown perhaps, but there'd be a way to see the other translations by links on the page (added a loop to the template to show which translations are there) | 19:29 |
| @preaction | right, which is different. martin (german martin) has suggested them be different, and i've agreed (or maybe you suggested it) | 19:29 |
| +BartJol | but there must be a session property that remember what language has your preference | 19:29 |
| @preaction | of course | 19:29 |
| +BartJol | it is martien btw | 19:30 |
| @preaction | ah, thought i was spelling it wrong | 19:30 |
| @preaction | but yes | 19:30 |
| +BartJol | but I agree | 19:30 |
| +BartJol | whoohoo, we agree | 19:30 |
| @preaction | i want i18n content, but the solutions proposed have been marginal. adding more problems | 19:30 |
| +BartJol | is there a forum thread on those proposed solutions? | 19:31 |
| @preaction | no. i haven't revealed these ideas yet. that's part of my plan to reveal these ideas to a blog or the dev forum as time goes on | 19:32 |
| +BartJol | or are you referring to my LanguagePageSwitch macro? | 19:32 |
| @preaction | so that if someone wants, they can implement it themselves, or at least offer suggestions | 19:32 |
| +BartJol | which is hardly userfriendly | 19:32 |
| @preaction | no, martien's content macro, macros have problems with arbitrary content inside them (can break the macro, and then the site) | 19:33 |
| +BartJol | ah, that one | 19:33 |
| +BartJol | would it possible to have i18n'd urls with your solution? | 19:34 |
| +BartJol | or maybe even necessary | 19:34 |
| @preaction | yes. i18n urls are possible, but only one url to one asset so far. we want to be able to just say, in the asset properties, all the possible URLs for that asset, but that may or may not go in soon | 19:35 |
| @preaction | that's a database schema break, so i may consider it an API break | 19:35 |
| @preaction | so it'd have to be done before January or not at all | 19:35 |
| +BartJol | mmm, no not necessary, that would be bad, some things you don't want to translate | 19:36 |
| @preaction | but shortcuts are still possible | 19:36 |
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| @preaction | true | 19:36 |
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| +BartJol | but there also should be an option to switch webgui and content language at the same time. It mightg be confusing to users that they need to click twice | 19:38 |
| +BartJol | prolly that would need 2 contenthandlers at the same time, which is a problem | 19:38 |
| +BartJol | depending on how the content language is switched | 19:39 |
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| Haarg | perlDreamer, apparently i'm writing the translation server from scratch as a plack app. we'll see how that goes. | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | okey-doke | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll see about getting you some SVN data for a trial git conversion | 19:42 |
| +BartJol | "apparently" :) | 19:42 |
| Haarg | i got the svn repo from doug | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | see y'all at lunch | 19:47 |
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| @preaction | Talk idea: You got your WordPress/MediaWiki/Something in my WebGUI! | 19:58 |
| @preaction | slug ID is a good idea for i18n content too. no breaking inside asset, just a new asset with some sort of relationship between the entire series | 20:00 |
| +BartJol | yeah | 20:00 |
| @preaction | so they are completely separate assets, but they're related by an ID | 20:00 |
| @preaction | that would probably be a LOT easier to put in | 20:01 |
| +BartJol | that is better than my lineage dependancy | 20:01 |
| +BartJol | whic breaks easily | 20:01 |
| @preaction | switching would be weird though. if they're assets they show up on the page / in the CS / in the Calendar. which one shows up? add something to getLineage would work, but piling onto that is starting to be problematic | 20:04 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * rcacaabe / lib/WebGUI/Upgrade.pm : listen to skipBackup upgrade option - http://bit.ly/bV0x2i | 21:48 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * rd7ff3ea / lib/WebGUI/Upgrade.pm : silence all upgrade output with quiet option - http://bit.ly/cRikAp | 21:48 |
| scrottie0 | Yay Continuity! | 21:50 |
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| patspam | SynQ: you missed a ute photo in my talk | 22:28 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf65ae74 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Format the subtotal variable in the Payment driver to 2 decimal places. Fixes bug #11813 - http://bit.ly/8XAnhg | 22:53 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rfd565f2 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Format the subtotal variable in the Payment driver to 2 decimal places. Fixes bug #11813 - http://bit.ly/bmCRNF | 22:53 |
| scrottie0 | usually it's google analytics holding stuff up. thanks, google. | 23:13 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r02099f0 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix HTML table generation for Active Sessions. Fixes bug #11832 - http://bit.ly/9ne9fo | 23:16 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r055b72d / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix HTML table generation for Active Sessions. Fixes bug #11832 - http://bit.ly/dcZGcX | 23:17 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1f2fbeb / lib/WebGUI/Account/Shop.pm : Remove debug code. - http://bit.ly/99zGUG | 23:26 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * re61b997 / lib/WebGUI/Upgrade.pm : fix thing i broke - http://bit.ly/9aWOEQ | 23:27 |
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| patspam | Haarg: http://github.com/plainblack/webgui/commit/c59fc0f361ffe096faa0717cecfd820f3061e6e8 | 00:03 |
| patspam | (github notes) | 00:03 |
| patspam | kinda clunky to push notes around though (git push origin refs/notes/commits) | 00:04 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb1adfd2 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm): Fix missing Attachment label in the Template. - http://bit.ly/dcJMos | 00:08 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * ra8d6aeb / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm): Fix missing Attachment label in the Template. - http://bit.ly/dAFtEq | 00:08 |
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| elnino | hello! having fun yet? | 05:26 |
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| elnino_ | goo morning! | 16:10 |
| elnino_ | having fun yet??? what version is recommed to have ffor a full blown/vender payout store? - the version I have is half implemented. =( | 16:11 |
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| @preaction | elnino_: most definitely the latest 7.9.x version, but still you have to configure the vendor payouts with your paypal id, and we only support paypal payouts unfortunately | 16:50 |
| ckotil | how about the survey asset? | 16:53 |
| ckotil | it's a bit wonky in 7.8.20 | 16:53 |
| ckotil | tho still in beta as of 7.8.20 | 16:54 |
| elnino_ | preaction - thanks. has the template improved yet in 7.9? | 16:54 |
| elnino_ | s/template/templates in the shop | 16:54 |
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| @preaction | elnino_: which ones? the cart is far more streamlined. you can test via http://beta.webgui.org if you like | 17:04 |
| scrottie0 | what important announcements did I otherwise miss? had 9:30 in my head, not 8:30. I was actually headed for breakfast when I double checked. | 17:05 |
| elnino_ | it is clunky as far as user registration and purchase goes. and the templates are a bit. um. ugly. | 17:05 |
| elnino_ | in 7.7 | 17:05 |
| elnino_ | I'll take a look at the beta. | 17:06 |
| @preaction | scrottie0: none really, just a reminder to fill out the surveys and "the presentations next are..." | 17:16 |
| scrottie0 | preaction, thanks. | 17:18 |
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| ckotil | survey seems improved in the beta. im hung up on an issue in 7.8.20 where you cant save any text for a new question. | 17:25 |
| @preaction | ckotil: yeah. survey has been under heavy bugfixing since it was introduced. it's getting (finally) pretty stable | 17:26 |
| ckotil | awesome. it will be a nice addition | 17:29 |
| ckotil | looks very useful for in the a classroom :) | 17:30 |
| ckotil | i had to crank out a survey the other day, and i ended up using the dataform | 17:30 |
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| elnino_ | nice map asset! | 18:23 |
| elnino_ | well, I'm looking at the beta. I'm confused. the vendor payment hasn't changed. | 18:25 |
| elnino_ | how does one setup that the vendor gets 10% of the sales? | 18:25 |
| elnino_ | or is it assumed they get 100%? | 18:25 |
| elnino_ | in our case, we are doing royalties, not vendor payout. | 18:26 |
| elnino_ | maybe there is a difference. =( | 18:26 |
| scrottie0 | does JavaScript implement the yadda yadda yadda operator? | 18:27 |
| scrottie0 | </sarcastic> | 18:27 |
| @preaction | elnino_: it may not be possible yet. we've had someone be interested in sponsoring it, but they've not come through with the funding yet | 18:29 |
| +BartJol | mmm, lemme have a look, we might have done that | 18:30 |
| elnino_ | grr. who do I talk to about $$ to finish that? | 18:30 |
| @preaction | well, the API doesn't allow multiple vendors | 18:30 |
| +BartJol | nope | 18:31 |
| elnino_ | well, a product can only have one vendor. then there is the store owners. the vendor gets % and the store owner gets the rest. | 18:31 |
| elnino_ | so you only need one vendor. | 18:31 |
| * elnino_ is confused | 18:31 | |
| @preaction | right, but with multiple vendors you'd be able to say one vendor is the shop owner, and the other is getting the royalties. and it would work on percentages or amounts | 18:32 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r81dd8d6 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Fix whitespace issue in the changelog. - http://bit.ly/cGcxJj | 18:32 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r57c49e7 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Fix whitespace issue in the changelog. - http://bit.ly/cgPqlV | 18:32 |
| elnino_ | mm. k | 18:32 |
| scrottie0 | Frank is removing thumbs. | 18:51 |
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| scrottie0 | this is my favorite yet: http://slowass.net/~scott/tmp/wg8.png | 21:58 |
| patspam | Haarg: how do I get svn to show commits that match a given string (matching the code that was changed, not the commit message) | 22:02 |
| Haarg | svn? | 22:02 |
| patspam | yeah | 22:02 |
| patspam | pity me | 22:02 |
| patspam | short of importing it into git... | 22:02 |
| Haarg | i was going to say | 22:02 |
| Haarg | step 1, import to git | 22:02 |
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| elnino_ | I'm getting a "Unable to extract package! The package may be corrupt, or there may be a server error preventing packages from being imported. " fro 7.7.28 to 7.8.23 - ideas? | 05:22 |
| elnino_ | I don'thave access to the logs. =( but I'm askign for them. | 05:22 |
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| zylopfa | Hello all | 05:38 |
| zylopfa | anyone got problems also installing CHI-0.36? | 05:38 |
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| SVIFI | Hello | 11:15 |
| SVIFI | Anyone is familiar with ^Emask(); fature? | 11:15 |
| SVIFI | why could it work on some pages but not on others? | 11:16 |
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| Haarg | SVIFI, that looks to be a very old macro. i wouldn't expect it to work at all. | 14:33 |
| SVIFI | found a solution already, it actually was Filter code setting blocking it | 14:51 |
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| xdanger | I've been thinking of writing a new Emask macro | 16:05 |
| xdanger | maybe one that would implement multible "masking" functions | 16:10 |
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| @preaction | what does Emask do? | 17:28 |
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| SVIFI | masks e-mail addresses | 17:59 |
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| @scrottie | yarrrr. | 19:36 |
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| @scrottie | second hack-a-thon project ran long. http://localhost:5000/crystalx_style?func=edit;proceed=goBackToPage;returnUrl=/home/welcome triggers a die planted in Template in my branch: http://github.com/scrottie/webgui/commit/a28e0995d141fdbe37e4b1f2f3210cb904780231 | 23:52 |
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| @scrottie | the code does the goofy asset dump thing. it takes a lot of CPU and should be a debug option. that still needs to be cleaned up. it's just a demo. | 23:52 |
| @scrottie | hey patspam. | 23:52 |
| patspam | heya | 23:52 |
| @scrottie | just the man I should be talking to. can you comment on my Asset.pm changes in http://github.com/scrottie/webgui/commit/a28e0995d141fdbe37e4b1f2f3210cb904780231 ? specifically, what implications are there of not returning a callback if we're not streaming? | 23:53 |
| patspam | sure, will check it out in an hour or two | 23:54 |
| @scrottie | cool. | 23:54 |
| @scrottie | oops, missing a file from that mess. | 23:55 |
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| xdanger | O, joy... my macbook won't boot up, and in single user mode it says I/O Error for the harddrive. | 00:32 |
| @preaction | frank just had that same problem today | 00:46 |
| @preaction | so then i shouldn't install the security update? | 00:47 |
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| scrottie0 | grr. | 01:01 |
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| scrottie0 | GRR. | 02:55 |
| scrottie0 | I love my little local ISP but they use Cox's crummy network. that would be okay but I need something redundant for the long haul chunk too and the copper is miserable in the neighborhood and USWest's prices are out of control. | 03:01 |
| scrottie0 | no muni wireless in Phoenix. | 03:01 |
| scrottie0 | so I have to cancel that DSL, get another provider with a different backend, get Cox, and get a different wireless carrier cuz T-Mobile cut me off. | 03:01 |
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| scrottie0 | http://github.com/scrottie/webgui/commit/1f7075ce9261824b883d7d0f7a924a4ab064dcbb # fixed, finally | 03:20 |
| scrottie0 | "Our new routes should propagate to the Intenret within the hour." http://fastq.com/ ... oh, good, I'm glad I'll be able to get back on the Intenret. | 03:31 |
| scrottie0 | fat fingered sysadmins make the rockin' world go round. | 03:32 |
| scrottie0 | http://twitter.com/Crell/status/23183942746 # ""Know where in this giant array whose structure changes out from underneath you you need to iterate" is not an API. #drupal #epicfail" | 03:48 |
| scrottie0 | no tasks emails this Monday? | 03:59 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings. | 05:01 |
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| SDuensin | I have returned! | 18:05 |
| @preaction | yay! | 18:06 |
| SDuensin | Dude, I remember none of last week. | 18:06 |
| SDuensin | Anybody need a fun few hour project? http://code.google.com/p/bigbluebutton/wiki/API#Sample_API_Examples_(JSP,_PHP,_Python_...) | 18:07 |
| @preaction | no Perl bindings | 18:08 |
| SDuensin | Don't need 'em. Whole API is REST. | 18:09 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 18:16 |
| SDuensin | Hey SquOnk | 18:20 |
| SquOnk | SDuensin: Hey there | 18:25 |
| SDuensin | preaction: Done yet? :-) | 18:26 |
| +bartjol | can it be that the current git wg8 branch doesn't run? | 18:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, everyone! | 18:27 |
| +bartjol | howdy | 18:27 |
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| SDuensin | Hey perlDreamer | 18:28 |
| @preaction | bartjol: it should. how are you running it? do you have the WebGUI::Paths module in your PERL5LIB (usually export PERL5LIB=/data/WebGUI/lib) | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | yo SD! | 18:28 |
| +bartjol | ah, it is in my wre lib | 18:28 |
| +bartjol | Rory is getting the some errors, but they are Paths module related, at least it gives errors when I look at localhost:5000 | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the problem right there, bartjol | 18:30 |
| +perlDreamer | don't look at localhost:5000 | 18:30 |
| +perlDreamer | and the problem will go away ;) | 18:30 |
| Haarg | how are you starting it and what errors are you getting? | 18:30 |
| +bartjol | plackup app.psgi | 18:30 |
| Haarg | we saw a problem previously where not having WebGUI::Paths in @INC would cause it to fail in a very weird way but were later unable to reproduce it | 18:31 |
| +bartjol | plackup --server Starman | 18:31 |
| +bartjol | and some other options | 18:31 |
| +bartjol | phone at my ear | 18:31 |
| +bartjol | ryuu_ro: do you have those errors ready? | 18:32 |
| +bartjol | they are on my laptop. while my im client runs on another | 18:32 |
| ryuu_ro | one moment let me check | 18:33 |
| ryuu_ro | hmm, i've closed my VM so I have to start it up again | 18:33 |
| ryuu_ro | that takes some time | 18:33 |
| +bartjol | ah, would you please be so kind, then I can give some attention to my customer | 18:35 |
| ryuu_ro | yep it's booting up | 18:35 |
| +bartjol | thank you | 18:35 |
| SquOnk | Are the UKPlayer source files available anywhere? | 18:40 |
| SquOnk | (I mean the sources for the .swf) | 18:40 |
| ryuu_ro | ok here it is, in Plack/App/URLMap.pm we have no SCRIPT_NAME variabele | 18:40 |
| ryuu_ro | I'm guessing that's the problem | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, only from UK, as far as I know | 18:42 |
| SquOnk | Hmm. | 18:43 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I have a Debian bug complaining that there are no sources for the .swf files :/ | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I would start a thread over on the wgdev list | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | and hopefully arjan will say something | 18:44 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: That would be expressInstall.swf, slideShow.swf and the Tutorial.swf | 18:44 |
| SquOnk | ...Tutorial.swf being in uploads/ | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | since we have the Carousel, we don't really need ukplayer in the core any longer | 18:44 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Well, that would be a nice removal from 7.9.14... | 18:45 |
| SquOnk | ...one less Debian RC Bug :-) | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, but if they're willing to give use the source, that would be good too | 18:45 |
| SquOnk | Yes | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | it's too late in the Dutch day to just remove it without a chance for them to respond | 18:45 |
| Haarg | perlDreamer, do you happen to know the places you ran into where namespace::autoclean caused issues? | 18:46 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: It's summer. The Dutch day is looooong :-) | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, then the sooner you post to dev the better ;) | 18:46 |
| SquOnk | How about Tutorial.swf in uploads/... still needed? | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I'd have to check the logs in 8 | 18:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | it would be single line commits from me with the phrase, "actually include what we use...." or something similar | 18:47 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r9338d69 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix template attachment ordering during the 7.8.24-7.9.11 upgrade. Existing sites cannot have their ordering restored, unless they revert and go through the ordering again. - http://bit.ly/afXA1V | 18:54 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: So, webgui dev, right? | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 18:55 |
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| * scrottie0 is reading scroll... | 19:46 | |
| @preaction | i would prefer to remove those swfs entirely from the core: they have no business there. SquOnk if you create the thread, i'll weigh in with the severity, and the contributers can try to dissuade me | 19:52 |
| SquOnk | preaction: I have to create a thread? | 19:56 |
| @preaction | or i can do it, whichever | 19:59 |
| @preaction | do you have a URL to the debian bug? | 20:00 |
| SquOnk | preaction: Footnote at the posting in webgui dev | 20:08 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r0e754a5 / lib/WebGUI/BestPractices.pm : fix namespace::autoclean use in BestPractices - http://bit.ly/9oyh4p | 20:22 |
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| @preaction | when's the next 7.9.x release? today or next week? | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | next week | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | this week is 7.10.0 | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | unless we need to flip-flop that for priority reasons | 20:41 |
| @preaction | No, just wondering when to put the deadline on the ukplayer source problem | 20:41 |
| @preaction | Sept. 14 it is | 20:42 |
| @preaction | this e-mail backlog from the wuc is gonna take all week i imagine... | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I call dibbs on preaction's mailbox | 20:48 |
| @preaction | were you a fly on the wall of my inbox, eh? | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | no, but I'm reserving space in the upcoming flood | 20:48 |
| @preaction | ahh | 20:49 |
| Haarg | weee more asset report problemms | 20:49 |
| Haarg | Form::AssetReportQuery uses definition so that will have to be fixed at some point | 20:50 |
| @preaction | yeah, asset report is going to go through the new process for 7.10. so v2 is probably getting fast-tracked | 20:50 |
| Haarg | actually i guess the other thing i found won't be broken | 20:52 |
| Haarg | it sorts the keys alphabetically instead of numerically | 20:52 |
| Haarg | but 1 will still come first so i think it won't break | 20:52 |
| @preaction | until 10 comes up | 20:52 |
| Haarg | the only really important thing with the loops is that 1 comes first | 20:53 |
| Haarg | still bad though | 20:53 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r72aa67c / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix type handling in the new jsontable JS. Kudos to khenn for the patch. Fixes bug #11810 - http://bit.ly/d5MMLZ | 20:54 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r34c48e6 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix type handling in the new jsontable JS. Kudos to khenn for the patch. Fixes bug #11810 - http://bit.ly/b3muK2 | 20:54 |
| Haarg | the real brokenness is using hashes instead of arrays though | 20:54 |
| Haarg | oh, and more sql injection | 20:57 |
| Haarg | $condition isn't validated | 20:58 |
| +perlDreamer | $condition comes from the asset properties, doesn't it? | 21:00 |
| Haarg | from the settings property | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | but it's never exposed to the user, only the person who can edit the asset | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | and the asset can only be added by admins now | 21:04 |
| @preaction | so you trust every admin? or an exploit to gain escalated privs? | 21:05 |
| Haarg | well, admins already have access to everything they would get from exploiting this bug | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | if someone is an admin, it's way easier just to start deleting stuff than crafting an SQL injection exsploit | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | and you're right, AssetReport only guard bands canAdd, not canEdit | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | so if Admin assigned it to someone else, they'd be able to use it for nefarious puposes | 21:06 |
| Haarg | honestly though, i shouldn't be finding exploits every time i look at this code | 21:06 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r2ee97e7 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt sbin/upgrade.pl): Don't be overzealous in cleaning up the cache root directory. Fixes bug #11814 - http://bit.ly/b90nVQ | 21:16 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r91acd4c / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt sbin/upgrade.pl): Don't be overzealous in cleaning up the cache root directory. Fixes bug #11814 - http://bit.ly/bkrFtZ | 21:16 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r6aa26c2 / (61 files in 23 dirs): remove WebGUI::Utility::isIn - http://bit.ly/biIrDB | 21:20 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r0adbb51 / (3 files in 2 dirs): remove WebGUI::Utility::sortHash - http://bit.ly/9QpWgW | 21:20 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * red04b99 / (95 files in 27 dirs): remove WebGUI::Utility - http://bit.ly/aS67qD | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | great, Haarg. Now I have to update my presentation. | 21:21 |
| Haarg | :) | 21:21 |
| Haarg | a couple caveats with smart match - caring about types means you need to make sure you are feeding it the right data | 21:23 |
| Haarg | "1a" ~~ 1 is true. "1a" ~~ "1" is false. | 21:24 |
| Haarg | matching against an array works the same as matching against an arrayref | 21:24 |
| Haarg | but you can't match against a list | 21:24 |
| Haarg | so you need to stick it in an arrayref first | 21:25 |
| @preaction | fun! | 21:25 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: What do I need to do to have ITVERX listed in "home" -> "partners" | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | well, you would need to be invited to be a WebGUI partner | 21:25 |
| @preaction | maybe we should write some sort of useful function to smooth this stuff over? maybe a utility function? we could make a WebGUI::Utility package or something! | 21:25 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Ah, I see. | 21:25 |
| @preaction | SquOnk: for details, ask info@plainblack.com | 21:26 |
| @preaction | tavisto isn't here i see... that slacker | 21:26 |
| SquOnk | Too bad I couldn't go to the WUC. | 21:26 |
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| @preaction | khenn: compy fixed? | 21:29 |
| @khenn | just got it back | 21:29 |
| @khenn | have to re-install all my apps though +( | 21:30 |
| @khenn | =( | 21:30 |
| @khenn | least my data is all in tact | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | what happened khenn? | 21:30 |
| @preaction | xootom had the same problem you did yesterday, which i thought was rather coincidental. so i decided not to do that security update | 21:30 |
| @khenn | preaction: don't know. it locked up on Sat morning and then never would get past the grey screen that has the apple on it | 21:30 |
| @khenn | took it to the apple store. They said it was a failing hard drive | 21:31 |
| @preaction | my hd has been making more noise recently. perhaps they decided to get a shitty batch | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | you need a new laptop, preaction | 21:31 |
| @preaction | it's only 18 months old, if that! | 21:32 |
| @preaction | if apple wants to push this kinda crap on us, i'll move to lenovo. | 21:32 |
| @khenn | I had to pay for the hard drive and then they wanted to keep my old one too | 21:33 |
| @khenn | it was like pulling teeth to get it back | 21:33 |
| @preaction | why the hell would they keep a broken hard drive? | 21:34 |
| @khenn | they said that apple did something with them | 21:34 |
| @khenn | I don't know | 21:34 |
| @khenn | it was odd | 21:34 |
| @preaction | recycle perhaps, there are precious metals in there, but still | 21:34 |
| @khenn | yeah | 21:35 |
| @khenn | I got it back though | 21:35 |
| @khenn | so that's good | 21:35 |
| Haarg | perlDreamer, i noted the replacements in migration.txt but it could probably use some expanding | 21:40 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r494b270 / docs/migration.txt : note replacement functions for WebGUI::Utility in migration docs - http://bit.ly/doJSHI | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | not a problem, I hear some guy wrote a presentation about that | 21:41 |
| scrottie | (Panasonic Toughbook)++ | 21:42 |
| scrottie | probably read through the code on it and patent good ideas, like they do with apps submitted to the app store. | 21:42 |
| @khenn | heh | 21:45 |
| @khenn | probably right scrottie | 21:45 |
| xdanger | My macbook pros harddrive failed yesterday also | 21:45 |
| @preaction | and then reject the apps because they want that market, like the gutenberg app | 21:45 |
| @preaction | wtf | 21:45 |
| xdanger | 13 months old | 21:45 |
| @preaction | 3? thats... not... right... | 21:45 |
| xdanger | good thing I have the overpriced applecare | 21:46 |
| scrottie | I really like to pick out my own harddrive... some brands suck really really bad. | 21:47 |
| xdanger | Still, "There's a queue to the service" and they have to get a new part from apple, even if they have the same drive on the self.. yey! | 21:47 |
| xdanger | I wish there was an applestore in central finland ;) | 21:47 |
| scrottie | DragonflyBSD isn't quite there yet with ACPI and it doesn't have single system image clustering running yet (one OS image, many machines). FreeBSD screwed the pooch. I'm thinking of exploring running Darwin on x86 hardware. I'd still be stuck X-Windows. | 21:49 |
| @khenn | well they did a decent job of restoring my data | 21:49 |
| @khenn | so I'm happy with that | 21:49 |
| @khenn | saved me a ton of time | 21:49 |
| scrottie | either Darwin or QNX. | 21:49 |
| scrottie | perl runs on QNX. what else do I really need? | 21:50 |
| +perlDreamer | mysql | 21:50 |
| +perlDreamer | apache | 21:50 |
| +perlDreamer | imagemagick | 21:50 |
| +perlDreamer | various browsers for cross testing | 21:51 |
| +perlDreamer | on multiple operating systems | 21:51 |
| scrottie | bleah. | 21:51 |
| +perlDreamer | not much more than perl ;) | 21:51 |
| scrottie | mysql, firefox, check. | 21:53 |
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| ryuu_ro | hey guys, I try to run WebGUI 8 but my $env->{SCRIPT_NAME} keeps on being empty | 22:15 |
| ryuu_ro | do you have any idea what I'm doing wrong | 22:15 |
| @preaction | ryuu_ro: how are you running it? | 22:16 |
| @preaction | is WebGUI::Paths on @INC? | 22:16 |
| ryuu_ro | i'm running it from /lib | 22:16 |
| @preaction | what's the error you get in the console / browser? | 22:16 |
| ryuu_ro | so ../app.psgi | 22:16 |
| @preaction | not sure that will work | 22:16 |
| ryuu_ro | the error is: | 22:17 |
| @preaction | try: env PERL5LIB=lib plackup app.psgi; <- in the WebGUI folder | 22:17 |
| ryuu_ro | Can't use string ("") as a subroutine ref while "strict refs" in use at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/Plack/App/URLMap.pm line 75. | 22:17 |
| ryuu_ro | ok try that | 22:17 |
| ryuu_ro | hmm from running from webgui dir I get a compilation error: WebGUI::Paths is not in env | 22:19 |
| ryuu_ro | env contains WebGUI/lib though | 22:19 |
| @preaction | if you're in lib, does perl -c WebGUI/Paths.pm work? | 22:20 |
| ryuu_ro | syntax ok | 22:20 |
| @preaction | try "export PERL5LIB=/data/WebGUI/lib; plackup app.psgi" maybe then? | 22:23 |
| Haarg | ryuu_ro, you might also try installing Devel::SimpleTrace and running plackup -MDevel::SimpleTrace app.psgi | 22:25 |
| ryuu_ro | ok no luck with exporting, trying Devel now | 22:25 |
| @preaction | yay! e-mail inbox backlog has been defeated! you lose 100 stress points! | 22:28 |
| ryuu_ro | still no luck | 22:29 |
| Haarg | it doesn't give any more information? | 22:29 |
| ryuu_ro | 8 should be running "out of the box" right? no special configurations? | 22:29 |
| ryuu_ro | nope, still the same error trace | 22:30 |
| Haarg | what are you using for a config file, and how did you create the database? | 22:31 |
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| ryuu_ro | ow f* me, running system mysql instead of wre where my database is located............ | 22:33 |
| Haarg | it shouldn't need any special configuration, but it's been a relatively small group of people using it so we haven't cleaned up some of these issues | 22:33 |
| ryuu_ro | ok, that sounds fair enough, I'll keep on building my server skills :) | 22:34 |
| @preaction | ryuu_ro: if you want, you could keep track of your adventure on the webgui dev list. that way we can fix any problems you run into, we can see the rough spots we need to smooth over, and you can help others start playing with webgui 8 | 22:35 |
| ryuu_ro | sure, will do that (probably tommorow, I had enough for today :) ) | 22:36 |
| CIA-21 | wrebuild: Doug Bell master * r6cdba63 / getperlmodules.sh : | 22:43 |
| CIA-21 | wrebuild: update perl modules from backpan instead | 22:43 |
| CIA-21 | wrebuild: contributed by William McKee of Knowmad Technologies - http://bit.ly/aV7Yaf | 22:43 |
| @preaction | so apparently both debian 5 and ubuntu build WRE in 64-bit mode... i'm tempted to release a new WRE in any linux/BSD flavor I can and just forgoe the OS X version | 22:44 |
| SDuensin | Oooooooooo? 64 bit WRE? | 22:47 |
| @preaction | yeah, both knowmad and synq have gotten it to compile on Ubuntu and Debian respectively. but i have yet to get it to work | 22:47 |
| SDuensin | :-/ | 22:48 |
| SDuensin | I need it here, too. | 22:48 |
| SDuensin | Well, I *want* it here anyway. | 22:48 |
| @preaction | but i'm using OS X 10.6, which iirc uses llvm not gcc | 22:48 |
| @preaction | wonder if openbsd ever ported away from gcc like they said they were gonna... | 22:49 |
| SDuensin | Yea, Apple likes llvm/clang. | 22:59 |
| SDuensin | Anyway, I'll be back later. Gotta get a kid from school. | 22:59 |
| carogray | Need a reminder. | 23:50 |
| carogray | On the data mail form template the Send button comes from <p><tmpl_var form.send></p> I think. | 23:51 |
| carogray | I need it to send and do everything else, but the button needs to say ???? | 23:51 |
| carogray | cannot rememberhow to do this. | 23:52 |
| @preaction | <input type="submit" value="those characters" | 23:52 |
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| carogray | perfect thanks so much! | 23:52 |
| carogray | preaction: Beautiful! Works a charm and looks so pretty too! thanks | 23:53 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r9ca3cd9 / lib/WebGUI/Admin.pm : fix back to site and logout links in admin console - http://bit.ly/9s0td9 | 00:01 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r7f18bcc / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm): All HTMLAreas in the post are controlled by the parent CS settings. Fixes bug #11827. - http://bit.ly/cUp1v7 | 00:04 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf333dbb / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm): All HTMLAreas in the post are controlled by the parent CS settings. Fixes bug #11827. - http://bit.ly/bDfYAF | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, why do we still ship WebGUI with Template Managers, Product Managers and other kinds of groups? Is it for the purpose of examples, or for historical continuity, or... ? | 00:07 |
| @preaction | historical continuity i suspect. we could remove them from the default install if we wanted | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm trying to write a coherent response to: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11819 | 00:09 |
| @preaction | could just remove it, as it has no bearing on shop. that was just for Products in the Admin Console | 00:09 |
| @preaction | and those groups were only because group settings were not configurable in the admin console | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | true, that | 00:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | howdy, andyiomoon | 00:15 |
| andyiomoon | morning perlDreamer | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | any GPS related problems on the flight back? | 00:16 |
| andyiomoon | heh - no - we managed to find Melbourne with little difficulty I believe | 00:16 |
| andyiomoon | time to shepherd kids to school but I will be throwing some enquiries your way in an email later on - so stay tuned :) | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll be here | 00:18 |
| Haarg | some of those extra groups are hard coded in some places, but not most of them | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I'll ack 14 | 00:25 |
| Haarg | 12, 11, 13, 7, 4, 3, 2, 1 are hard coded in places afaik, but not the others | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, any thoughts on letting wgd edit also be able to handle template attachments? | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | they're not little JSON blobs in the database in the template table | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | s/not/now/ | 00:37 |
| Haarg | so it should be possible to edit them now, it's probably just really annoying | 00:38 |
| Haarg | should be possible to make a transformation to make them easier to deal with | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | from asset-serial format to JSON-format? | 00:40 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r17d1eca / (2 files in 2 dirs): Cleanup a bad template attachment in the new Asset Report template. Fixes bug #11825 - http://bit.ly/aesC7C | 00:43 |
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| SynQ | hello there | 00:47 |
| SynQ | who lives in 'the USA lower 48 states'? | 00:47 |
| SynQ | I need a favour from someone | 00:48 |
| @preaction | sup holmes | 00:48 |
| SynQ | huh? | 00:48 |
| @preaction | yes, what you need? | 00:49 |
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| elnino | hi everyone! | 00:51 |
| elnino | hey preaction - http://www.webgui.org/community/webgui-8/issues/11844 I can't comment on it. It seems to be in a special area? | 00:51 |
| @preaction | elnino: yes. what's up? | 00:52 |
| @preaction | the 8 tickets are for the 8 devs for internal tracking. we're just being transparent | 00:52 |
| elnino | well, my comment would be: | 00:52 |
| elnino | that one of what I believe to be one of the selling points of webgui is that it's a complete out of the box solutions, where as joomla and them guys have a core, and then a bunch of add ons. | 00:53 |
| Haarg | preaction, i know jt mentioned all of those assets as things worth removing, except for time tracker. he said he knew of a number of people using it. | 00:53 |
| @preaction | those are directly from the list of assets he gave me | 00:53 |
| elnino | yet at the same time, I think people expect having add ons. | 00:53 |
| @preaction | and they'd still be using it, it'd just no longer be worked on by core devs | 00:54 |
| elnino | and that they maybe want somethign like joomla where peopl ehave to weed thru a bunch of add ons to pick one that meets there needs. | 00:54 |
| @preaction | until someone gets PM v 2 out which can be a bundled, add-on solution | 00:54 |
| elnino | so is webgui goign to distinguish between "their" add ons verses community add ons? | 00:55 |
| elnino | bazzaar vs wg plugins? | 00:55 |
| @preaction | elnino: the future idea is that there will be installable add-ons from a command-line script. as for "official add ons", i haven't gotten that far yet | 00:55 |
| elnino | I just don't want a joomla mess occuring. | 00:55 |
| elnino | I left joomla for that reason. | 00:56 |
| elnino | k. that's all for today. =) | 00:56 |
| elnino | how was wuc? | 00:57 |
| scrottie | perhaps "fat" and "light" distros. dunno. | 00:57 |
| elnino | scrottie: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/11843 | 00:57 |
| @preaction | most likely we'd have a process where PB / community would be able to mark add-ons as "Kwalitee" | 00:57 |
| @preaction | or even, "core-ready" | 00:58 |
| @preaction | meaning it has all the requirements to go into core, it's just not distributed with WebGUI | 00:58 |
| scrottie | ah, nice. yeah, saw the URL go by before but didn't look at it. | 00:58 |
| elnino | or this scrottie: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/11829 | 00:59 |
| elnino | slightly different | 01:00 |
| scrottie | what exactly is the joomla mess? add-ons not being kept up to date, disorganized, no assurance of quality, etc? | 01:01 |
| @preaction | most likely all three | 01:02 |
| elnino | yes. and the fact that there are a gabillion photo galleries, shops, file management, etc addons. | 01:02 |
| elnino | and sites hosting them EVERYWHERE. I like going to one place: www.webgui.org | 01:03 |
| elnino | it's a breath of fresh air. | 01:03 |
| elnino | (webgui that is) | 01:04 |
| @preaction | that's why we'd have a command-line script to add them to the central repo / CPAN. no desire to put them anywhere else | 01:04 |
| elnino | sounds good to me. | 01:05 |
| elnino | gotta go. later. | 01:05 |
| @preaction | point being: if the add-ons are not just as easy to use as core (or easier, with only one command necessary to install and add to all sites), then we are better served keeping everything in core | 01:05 |
| Haarg | and they might still be distributed with core. the important point is it would open up the possibility of having a light dist. | 01:06 |
| @preaction | right | 01:07 |
| @preaction | cpan install WebGUI <- bootstrap a webgui install. wg install <some app> <some other app> <some more apps> | 01:07 |
| Haarg | also last night i started converting Storage to use Imager to see how bad it would be. seems pretty reasonable so far, although apparently my build has no gif support. | 01:08 |
| @preaction | eh, gifs are for wimps and communists | 01:08 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r842992d / (2 files in 2 dirs): Cleanup a bad template attachment in the new Asset Report template. Fixes bug #11825 - http://bit.ly/dnz8CP | 01:08 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rdc1ed08 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move the upgrade package to the new location. - http://bit.ly/bpgTRO | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, there's a small hiccup with the default content | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | it references a PDF file in the Media folder | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | but the upgrade script will only install things into the import node | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I guess I can install this by hand | 01:55 |
| Haarg | default content shouldn't go into an upgrade anyway though | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | good point | 02:02 |
| @preaction | sorry, but i can't remember why we don't take a dump of default.plainblack.com, use that as create.sql, and run wgd reset -b on it for the release (or something to that effect) | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | user accounts, passwords, asset history, version tags | 02:10 |
| @preaction | which reset -b should clear out, no? | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't "no" | 02:10 |
| Haarg | asset history and versions tags are cleared out | 02:14 |
| Haarg | extra users are deleted | 02:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll try it out tonight. | 02:16 |
| @preaction | so it'd be perfect to let Rogier, Tessa, and whomever have access to default.plainblack.com and edit the stuff before the release | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it won't work | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | default tracks only 1 version | 02:16 |
| CIA-21 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r694c9ce / lib/WGDev/Command/Self/Upgrade.pm : fix self-upgrade (+6 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/d5DMZl | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | and we need both versions of the database to do this | 02:17 |
| @preaction | we could export packages for the stable versions | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | that takes us back to where we are now, with needing to install a package by hand | 02:18 |
| Haarg | make a wgd plugin that lists version tags and shows their contents | 02:18 |
| Haarg | dump out packages of anything that has changed | 02:18 |
| Haarg | and import them min-reset | 02:18 |
| Haarg | or some variation on that | 02:18 |
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| @preaction | i just found a new way to take down a webgui site: have a syndicated content asset on the home page, have that syndicated content asset refer to the RSS feed of an asset that no longer exists, and have the "404 page" be the Home Page of the site. | 05:59 |
| @preaction | infinite loop of awesomeness! | 05:59 |
| SDuensin | SWEET! | 06:02 |
| SDuensin | Not guessing you figured that out by testing the code I hinted I wanted written for free, huh? :-) | 06:02 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: that's evil | 06:53 |
| @preaction | but now why does it sound familiar? | 06:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | frodwith, you silly test writer you | 07:10 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re25014e / t/Template/downgrade.t : Only run HTML::Template::Expr tests if the module is available. Temporarily place it into the config file so that it can be tested. - http://bit.ly/bwoOna | 07:15 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r95487ae / t/Macro/ConvertUTCToTZ.t : Fix a problem with newer DateTimes. - http://bit.ly/dr971i | 07:19 |
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